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Heres a few questions:
WHO is going to be at the Gathering (I mean celebraties)
WHAT is going to happen at the gathering (Events, seminars, signings)
HOW many people will be there (Estimate)
WHY whould I go to your gathering? (Hey, it is asked on the submitions!)
There have been so few questions anwsered about the gathering this year. I am truly wondering if I should go. I would rather know whether or not it is worth it to go this year or not.

Also, about the Gargoyles on video CD-ROM: It will work on any computer with a standard 4x CD-ROM and a 486/66 or better. How many people are interested in this? I need to know wether it is worth it.

Also, how many people would want a documentary of the Gathering this year, video AND photo's. If I go, I would probally do that.

(Speaking the the videos, did you get the video, jackal?)

As for Goliath and elisa, of corurse they will get together, and they will probally have kids. I think Elisa would be willing to get a slight genetic alteration (Provided it does not change her appearance, and very little internal)

Greg is not a god. He may have wrote the origional Gargoyles, but TGS has branched beyond his ideas, so they are really shouldn't apply too much.

Bad Guys wouldn't ba a good series, and neither would New Olympians. I personally think that NO would bring down the quality of the series. I think that there should be a Fae History series. You know... find out the history of your favorite Fae, and fine some new ones.

And, finally, the gliches have been getting worse. I can't re-load the page without problems. I hope this board dosn't crash. :(

(here is about a weeks worth of coments. I just haven't had a chance to get on the comment room too much this week.)

Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Monday, June 22, 1998 at 12:17:41 AM
IP: 204-21-118.ipt.aol.com

Btw, I think Brent Spiner would portray a much better Owen than Jeff. Sure, Bennett has the voice, but with Spiner's whole StarTrek Data thing going on, he'd be the picture of stoicy, wot?
AotN
Monday, June 22, 1998 at 12:08:52 AM
IP: dialup-103-47.sssnet.com

Okay, about the live-action movie. Can anyone really see Keith David as making a good Goliath? I mean, the voice is just great, but is the look there? I can see a definite Demona in Marina, and Frakes and Spiner totally cut it for their characters, but who could really look like Goliath?! Hmm...
AotN
Monday, June 22, 1998 at 12:05:29 AM
IP: dialup-103-47.sssnet.com

(Doug strolls in, accompanied by the King and Queen of Dragonkind. They talk for a minute, then shake hands and the draconic royalty depart. Doug turns to Gaist and Bowen, hands them final paychecks, and sends them away.)
Yes, my dragon troubles are finally over!! All I had to do was agree to stop bothering dragons and not make any more with genetics, and they'd stop trying to kill me. Great trade! No more dragon troubles. This oughta make Tanika happy. Hoo Raa!!
On the movie, Sevarius Jr. is right. JC VD would never make a good gargoyle. I'm not sure if Emmerich and Devlin could do the Gargs movie right, though. Sure ID4 ruled, but Godzilla almost made me throw up. I've never seen a worse monster film. Oh well, Devlin's been thrown off the project anyway, so I guess this point is moot. I hope they make the movie soon. If they start production on it, I'll be heading to Hollywood to try out for a part in it: the Manhattan Jogger!! He's always been my favorite window dressing character, hope he's in the film. I'd do him well. In any case, they better get that film off the ground ASAP!!
That's all for now.
(Doug strolls back out, humming to himself about peace between all humans and dragons.)
Doug Elderq <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 11:19:41 PM
IP: hd32-248.hil.compuserve.com

Thanks for the response :) I just feel that the voice talents from the show should be reconized for their work. The pics would be totally awesome! And you're right on the whole Van Damme thing. He just doesn't cut it.
Allison Abadie <jim.abadie@mcione.com>
Carrollton, TX USA
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 10:20:38 PM
IP: 166.55.80.223

Okay, I think it was Merlin who asked why people felt Elisa was a static character and it has taken me this long to figure out why I said that. Just more proof that I need to figure out my reasons before going with my gut reaction. *grin*

Anyway, Elisa is still the great character we either love or hate, depending. But the stuff that was happening to her that created conflict has been elimnated as the season developed. Some examples: obsession with Xanatos is resolved because he's an ally and trying to make-up for his past actions; she doesn't have to hide the gargoyles from her family and Matt resolving tension between those character and Elisa; sexual tension between her and Goliath has been discussed already.

An example of some really good conflict in character is Matt. He has to juggle his commitments to the Illuminate without destroying his friendship with the Gargoyles. (Which I think has made Duval even more interested in him, but that's another post altogether.)

Elisa still has a lot of personality traits that can be used to build conflict for her, but lets see her mess up a little. I'd like to see a little more cop action.
Cassandra <nscoa@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 06:36:27 PM
IP: 199.184.64.94

No no no, you gotta have big name stars for the movie. You can't have a cast of nobody's (and you gotta admit, most of the Gargoyle cast is, except for Frakes and Sirtis) and expect to have a hit. You gotta have big stars...But the idea of having that little French fag Van Damme play ANY part in the movie would drive me to a fit of homicidal rage. I'd pull a Chuck Zito and rip his friggin' head off.

And the Gargoyles have to be CGI. It they just get people in rubber suits its gonna screw it up. Now Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich could do this pic right...
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 05:30:01 PM
IP: client-151-200-126-16.bellatlantic.net

If they really are going to make a live-action movie of Gargoyles, why can't they just use the real voices (Jeff Bennett, Keith David, Marina Sirtis, etc.) as the live cast. I've noticed that the animated characters are all molded after their voice talents, and I personally think they look like the Gargoyles more than anyone else!
Allison Abadie <jim.abadie@mcione.com>
Carrollton, TX USA
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 04:03:07 PM
IP: 166.55.81.169

For those of you who haven't been checking....
The T-Shirt Contest has a winner! (Two winners, in fact.) Click on my name to see the announcement.
The design will be up on the above page shortly. Watch for further information on how to order your Gathering '98 T-shirt -- $12 if you pre-order, $15 at the convention itself.

54 days till the Con!
Batya "The Toon" Levin <gathering98@yahoo.com>
Con Chair, The Gathering 1998
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 02:22:00 PM
IP: 213.new-york-12.ny.dial-access.att.net

Just dropping quickly to let everyone know that the review I was rumbling about of TGS: Gargoyles season one is now up at my site. Click on my name to get to it.
Laudre <laudre@null.net>
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 01:45:24 AM
IP: p02-18.stamford.dialin.ntplx.com

<<Angie going just a little "mommy"..., This is the subject of one of my current fan-fic's (I am unsure if I will publish any of them, where she goes TOTALLY "mommy". Ok, ok... so I write some dark fan-fic's. I like it that way. Life is never too cheerful, anyway. It's almost always dark anyway... isn't it?>>
I'd read it!! Oh yeah, i made that comment about Angela. I'm also in the middle of producing my on "fanfics", a "master plan" so to speak, it's a series I've been developing since Oct of 95, So you know it's well thought out. I even have theme music, but my fear is..., who will read it??? Anywayz, I'm tried and drunk off tequila <--how ever you spell it, goodnight!.
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 01:04:02 AM
IP: ww-tm04.proxy.aol.com

Hey, all! JEB here... I know I don't post in here normally, but I wanted to give this announcement the widest exposure...

My site has been moved and mega-updated for its one-year anniversary, but I can't post it on my FortuneCity site (I can't upload, FTP's down, as usual- hence the move). So, here's my new URL...
http://Trio.simplenet.com/Jebgarg/jebgarg.shtml

Spread the word, please! :)
JEB <JEB215@aol.com>
Sunday, June 21, 1998 at 12:35:40 AM
IP: 200-97-199.ipt.aol.com

Sevarius Jr.> Haven't noticed any comment room loading problems, and the only New Olympian I like is Proteus (... is that how you spell it? That's the way I always assumed it was spelled. *shrugs*).
AotN
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 11:43:23 PM
IP: dialup-103-7.sssnet.com

Queen Tanika: Okay, so now I guess my big question is, is all of this a dream in the making or just of bunch of unorganized wishful thinking? Sadly, these plans don't seem to be going anywhere. Anyway, if a final script is made, I hope the plot remains along the original ideas and characters (Demona, Trio, Xanatos, etc.).
Btw, I think Jean-Claude would make a stinky Goliath. *smirks*
AotN
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 11:39:55 PM
IP: dialup-103-7.sssnet.com

SEVARIUS JR. - No, actually, "Future Tense" the spinoff was nothing at all to do with the episode of that name. It was to be set in the year 2158 and involved the adventures of Goliath's grandson Samson and a few other characters, including Owen, Alex, a reformed Demona, TimeDancer Brooklyn, and Nokkar.
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 07:21:14 PM
IP: pn3-ppp-120.primary.net

Well, why don't they make the movie already! We, the humble fans of the Gargoyles, may be keeping the fire going, but the last Gargoyles series was what, two or three years ago? They gotta get going people. If they don't make the movie, than hell, I will. All I need is a few hundred mill to do it right...What's Lucas' phone number? Get me Spielberg on the phone, NOW!

About Invasion America...I don't see what the big deal with that is. It's an okay show, but not really groundbreaking. Try Batman: The Animated Series. Best damn 'toon out there (well, other than THIS toon of course). I'm much more entertained with Buffy the Vampire Slayer than Invasion America (although, being a hormonal teenager, that's not too hard to figure out).
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle , Washington USA
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 06:58:22 PM
IP: client-151-200-120-6.bellatlantic.net

(Doug glides down in the arms of a beautiful brunette female gargoyle-human cross with human features and wings, steps down, and grins.)
Well, Lisa got some weird treatment from a doctor whose name I can't remember, fulfilling my wildest dreams even if I told her she didn't have to. If this works out, I might be getting the same. So far it looks okay.
Christine- Too bad you missed the dicussion you mentioned. I'm sure you would have had great things to say on the topic. Oh well. You can find the countdown on the www-gargoyles-fans.org TGS main page.
Invasion America- Excellent show, Sergeant Romar is my favorite character after the hero David. Great premise and storyline, too. But when did we discuss it before now?
Janine- Don't worry, I'm sure the reason Clifford wanted to see someone by that name will be cleared up next season.
Reload Glitch- I haven't noticed anything like that. Maybe my browser is just lucky. Whatever it is, hope y'all soon get it cleared up.
That's all for now.
(Lisa picks up Doug again and they fly back out the skylight, waving bye-bye.)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 04:54:24 PM
IP: hd8-243.hil.compuserve.com

The Gargoyles live-action movie is NOT just a rumor. Greg Weisman and Michael Reaves are officially co-producers. The following is an old post from Greg:

"Anyway, here's what's going on with the Live-Action Feature, in development at Touchstone Pictures, as of 4-10-97.

There are NO ACTORS attached. NONE. Not Jean-Claude. Not Jonathan Frakes or Marina Sirtis or anyone. No one. It's way too soon.

Tom Jacobson is the producer. Dean Devlin is the writer. They are the only two people currently attached to the project. The only ones. (Besides Michael and myself, in our minor roles as co-producers.)

The script is supposed to come in from Dean by the end of this month. GOLIATH is the lead character. Other gargoyles will appear but this is basically Goliath's movie. Saying anything else before the first draft is even completed is folly. If someone claims to know more, and he or she isn't Dean Devlin, then I'd take the info with a boulder of salt."

Since then, Dean Devlin has left the project, he wasn't working out. I don't remember who they got to replace him, but as far as I know a script is still in the works. Rumors about Jean-Claude Van Damme being cast as Goliath are untrue. There have been NO actors cast, NO director hired, NO special effects studio contracted. I do belive that the plot still features Goliath, but other than that there are no details. I have also heard that a proposed plot featured a single gargoyle awakened after 100 years of stone sleep, but I think that idea was dropped quite a while ago (or maybe it, too, was just a rumor). The movie was originally slated for a summer 1999 release, but that can't happen now -- if it is made, it'll take a bit longer than that to hit theaters. As of right now, there has been no new word for a long time. Greg's phone calls about the movie to Touchstone haven't been returned.

As far as I know, my information is accurate, and I truly hope I'm not spreading false information around. I hope that clears things up for everybody.
Queen Tanika <-tanika-@geocites.com>
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 04:05:49 PM
IP: grmn-105ppp69.epix.net

No fair, I can't believe I missed the whole discussion on Goliath and Elisa's love life and wedding! Me, of all people! Ah, well, no sense dredging it up all over again. My feelings on the matter are fully expressed in my stories ; )

Someone mentioned a while back a countdown to the new season of TGS -- where can I find that?
Christine <vecna@eskimo.com>
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 12:54:57 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Alas, Angel of the Night, a live-action Gargoyles movie is just a rumour. I thought that at one time, it was a consideration, but we may never see it made. Personally, I'd love to see it, with the Gargoyles done with cool Computer Graphics, by Industrial Light and Magic. Plus, Jonathan Frakes would be great as Xanatos and Brent Spiner could play a perfect Owen.

Personally, I'd like to see a Future Tense series. I think that of all the stories on the world tour, it was the most interesting (and well, I admit, confusing) and has a lot of promise. I mean, picture it: the world in chaos, the surviving Gargoyles and friends trying to save what's left from the maniacal clutches of one of their own...I just can't get into the whole New Olympian thing. I love Michael Dorn, but Taurus just doesn't do it...
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 10:29:25 AM
IP: client-151-200-120-77.bellatlantic.net

THERESA/STARSINGER - What makes you so sure that the "Janine" that Clifford was talking about was the same person as Fox? She doesn't exactly have a monopoly on the name, after all.

Yep, I've also noticed a problem with the comment room only partly loading every so often. Anybody know how to fix it?
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 07:59:46 AM
IP: pn9-ppp-208.primary.net

Just a reminder, this is a comment room. We have discussed Elisa and Goliath's lovelife, the New Olympians, what's coming next season, all our fav ST
episodes, Invasion America, ect. We will probably
drift to many diverse topics, get off topic, come back and have a better understanding of each others
likes and dislikes.
By the way did anyone notice when Fox went to get the
information that helped rescue Xanatoes, the leader of Phoenix Rising called her by name, Janine? She was using a spell at the time to make herself appear
inconspicuous, but it seemed to me to be someone who
really knew her. That might also explain the going
after her husband bit.
Later world
Starsinger
Theresa <Starsiner@Webtv.net>
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 06:09:39 AM
IP: proxy-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Has anyone else noticed a few glitches when this page is re-loading? About 25% of the time, the page auto-reloads and the page only partially re-loads with a bunch of html script visable (there is a white background when this happens). And once, when it re-loaded, it displayed part of Station 8's comment room.
I hope this server dosn't crash!

Oh, BTW... the New Olympians were never THAT interesting enough to dedicate a whole week talking about them!

by BTW, someone was commenting about seeing Angie going just a little "mommy" in the series. This is the subject of one of my current fan-fic's (I am unsure if I will publish any of them, where she goes TOTALLY "mommy". Ok, ok... so I write some dark fan-fic's. I like it that way. Life is never too cheerful, anyway. It's almost always dark anyway... isn't it?

As for the Gargoyles parantage: It really doesn't matter, does it? If we were going to see Goliath's parents, then we would have to see EVERYONE's parents. I could understand if Brooklyn (TD) got goliaths parents together, but that would be corny. It does nothing to the story line, and it is of only mild interest.

Bi the BTW... (A little joke)

Q: What is the Quarrymen's favorite song and group?
A: Queen, "Hammer to Fall"

Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Dearborn, Mi USA
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 03:07:09 AM
IP: 170-53-96.ipt.aol.com

(Doug strolls in, and a ringing cheer comes up. He bows and smiles, glad he cleaned up his mess this time.)
Soleta: Hi. How you doing? There, I talked to you.
AotN: I'm a Christian, at least in part. My religious beliefs are a little too complicated to explain in this format, nor are they really appropriate for it. Send me an e-mail if you want to know more. I don't know of the band of which you speak, but they do sound good.
Airwalker- Great ideas on the TGS second season!
Which spinoff they should do next- Bad Guys, I think. Maybe it's just 'cause I'd like to see more of Dingo, Fang, and Yama, but I like the series idea. Maybe we could also find out more about that group that uses the seven-pointed star symbol through this series. New Olympians would also be excellent. I too look forward to Margo meeting Taurus. And Proteus, and all the others. And Proteus would not be the only villian, either. That Helios guy in the last "New Olympians" ep seemed like good villian material. And then there could be a terrorist group or two that sees New Olympus as the perfect secret base.
Arthur's Love Interests: My vote goes for Jennifer. I liked her better as a character, there's no obvious competition for Arthur to get her (Elaine's married), she's a fighter and smart girl as well as a lover, she's more in touch with the modern world and Arthur needs someone like that, etc. Plus "Queen Jennifer" has a much nicer ring to it.
That's all for now.
(Doug strolls out, glad he has earned the praise of his fellow TGS fans.)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 02:12:17 AM
IP: dd55-099.dub.compuserve.com

Hi all.

Well what is everyone is talking about ?! Well anyway if you guys ACTUALLY talk to me , let me know.

Anyway there's my Animorphs page. See Ya ! And Happy Father's Day !!!!
Soleta <shantah@juno.com>
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 01:24:13 AM
IP: usr33-dialup9.mix2.atlanta.mci.net

Cassandra and Jackal> Is the connection between the cast in ST:TNG and Gargoyles cool, or what? Pretty much the only reason I continued to watch Gargoyles after the first show (btw, the first one I ever saw was "Temptations") was because of Frakes and Sirtis. Also, Cass, Brent is my hero. I just absolutely *love* the guy. Did you know that, as a result of him starting his career out on Broadway (not the gargoyle *smirks*), he was later nicknamed "Ol' Yellow Eyes"? *grins*

Hey, everyone, is the rumor of a Gargoyles live-action movie just a rumor, or is that really gonna happen? I heard stuff about it a while back, and then the information just sort of deteriorated. What's up wi' that? What does Master Greg say about this issue?

Btw, I can't keep this in, I'm so excited over it! Are there any Christians in here? If so, you would know what I'm talking about, maybe. I just got back from "Alive '98" and SCC (Steven Curtis Chapman)!!! I had never seen him in concert before tonight, and it was very possibly the coolest concert I've ever been to!!! I absolutely *loved* it!
AotN
Saturday, June 20, 1998 at 01:10:38 AM
IP: akron-157-15.sssnet.com

What do I think will happen in the second season of TGS?

Gargoyles - Ragnarok will be an on-going event during the season. Lexington and his adjustment to life after having his trust betrayed for a second time. Fox and the development of her magical skills, that might play a role in the war. Clifford and his "crusade" against the Gargoyles will probably reappear. Angela will explore if she is becoming more like her mother (although the reaction she had in Reprisals 3 could be due to the temper she inherited from her father. Wonder if she'll ever think of that), and her relationship with Broadway will develop. I can imagine them getting engaged, with a wedding in the second season finale. George Harrison and Richard will probably reach a final showdown. Demona and her Valkyrie robots could become a major force in the war, fighting against the advanced technology of the Unseelie. Further developments among the Mutates. And since Coyote gave Beth the postion as Guardian of Tradition, I somehow get a feeling she will play a role in the war, perhaps chronicling it.

Pendragon - More involvment with the Scottish clan. Fighting in Ragnarok, maybe forming a human army to fight the Unseelie if the war spreads into the normal world. Rory will reappear and perhaps join the new round table. Somehow, I also believe that Macbeth will appear in this series more than in Gargoyles.

Dark Ages - I am sure Asrial will be killed by one of her experiments but it is possible that something will happen to Demona's love that will bring her and Goliath together. Asrial will hide her feelings of lost love over Goliath by burying herself in her inventions. I am also sure that in this season Goliath will become the second. (I don't think we have seen the last of Brother Edmund. Even if he doesn't return, I'm sure that he will become involved with the London Clan somehow. If he did, then perhaps his journal is still there and will somehow appear in Pendragon).

Timedancer - Brooklyn and Sata will spend alot of time trying to get rid of Kali. I just have a feeling that they will run into Macbeth. Also there is that shard of crystal that Brooklyn got in Egypt that will play a role in this season. Perhaps we will see Meyrt, and Sata's reaction to her. Toward the end of this season, I believe that the timedancing couple will get stranded in 2158, where Sata will give birth to the egg that will become the twins. I think that Future Tense (the master plan proposed spin-off) will be incorporated into this series.

There you have it, my thought that might happen in the second season of TGS.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 11:42:49 PM
IP: 180.new-york-21-22rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

<<If Broadway is Hudson's son...>>
Which explains A LOT!...
<<...who's the parents of Brooklyn and Lexington?>>
Not to be rude, but, does it matter?
Jackal
Ga Usa
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 11:30:05 PM
IP: spider-tl064.proxy.aol.com

<<I want to meet Marina Sirtis..>>
I missed her! I wasn't on AOL at that time!! Years ago, she was the only reason I watched Star Trek, (that and I loved to hear the captin say "Number 1".) And as a matter of fact, the only reason I started watching Gargoyles... I love that thing she's does with her voice for Demona..... (That deep, hateful thing) :)
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 11:26:55 PM
IP: spider-tl064.proxy.aol.com

I think that what irked Fox far more about her mother's actions in "The Gathering" was that Titania tried to kidnap Alex and got her hubby to steal him, endangering her husband, her father, and herself in the process (not to mention the gargoyles and the whole city).

According to Greg, Xanatos's appearance was designed before Jonathan Frakes was cast in the role - it was just an odd coincidence. (Elisa's appearance, on the other hand, really was modelled after Salli Richardson).
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 07:16:56 PM
IP: pn4-ppp-169.primary.net

I for on would love to be there when Margo runs into
Taurus for the first, second, third et-al time. She
is so wonderful at the put down and in general screaming. She must really believe that the Gargoyles have it in for her. After all, they follow her everywhere, don't they?

I think Bad Guyes could be woven into the main Gargoyles story line with an occassional drop in on
Pendragon.
I would truly love to see the New Olympians in action
(hehehed) Margot as their court appointed legal help.
Michael Dorn as Taurus of course.
Later world.
Starsinger
Theresa <Starsinger@Webtv.net>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 04:45:58 PM
IP: proxy-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net

I'm not in a commenty mood right now, BUT:

Merlin: Weeeeeelll…. Ftwould, I imagine, be covered in TD, and I've never been that interested in it anyway… the others… oooohh… well… the New Olympians. Proteus isn't the only villain possible. Can you imagine the troubles of people trying to attack New Olympus? It would go well with P&G, too.
ED of the EDs <ed.reynolds@virgin.net>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 03:04:20 PM
IP: 194.168.2.196

Merlin: My vote is for New Olympians. We can have Proteos as a villian :) and I just love the idea of the New Olympians showing up in New York now. And they thought the Gargoyles were a problem? Can anyone imagine the headache Taurus could Margot?

Servarius Jr. brought up the Gargoyles casting call. I think Brent Spiner should play Puck/Owen. He already did the voice for Puck, and in the second half of "The Gathering" (Second season televisied episodes) we see Puck tranform into Owen. Both halfs share some facial features. Plus I'm just a big Brent Spiner fan--ever since I first saw Data.
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 02:45:19 PM
IP: 192.102.223.166

Bad Guys> I've said before that this is the one thing that could motivate me to join the TGS staff. Ever since I read about it in the Master Plan and Ask Greg, and interrogated IRC Goliath about the leica reel I missed because I wasn't at the Gathering last year, I've been bubbling with ideas for it, although developments in TGS kinda nix a lot of the ideas I've had (about how the group gets together, for instance). If I wasn't so caught up in writing my current fanfic series I'd probably start writing my own series based on Bad Guys, directly drawn from Ask Greg. (Heck, I'm already working in a time dancing Brooklyn based directly on Ask Greg rather than on TGS' version of TD, an idea I'd discarded when I found out TGS was doing it but resurrected after I'd read the first few eps of TD and post-OoJ TGS gargs.)
Laudre <laudre@null.net>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 02:06:44 PM
IP: p02-46.stamford.dialin.ntplx.com

Am I wrong, or isn't it that Fox can only use her powers as a defense mechanism? I mean, in the Gathering 2, the only time she used them was when she was trying to protect Alexander. And I even think Oberon or Titania said that she could never be that powerful cause she's too old to learn how to use them properly.

And I got a question. If Broadway is Hudson's son, who's the parents of Brooklyn and Lexington?
Sevarius Jr.
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 11:18:42 AM
IP: client-151-200-126-107.bellatlantic.net

*the Angel materializes out of the darkness, acting anything but angelic, considering her distressing circmstances.*

Sevarius Jr.> NOO! I want to meet Marina Sirtis, but I don't have AOL! *goes into a string of nasty words*

Doug> I think your ideas for the new season are really good. I, personally, would like to see more of Brother Ed and Thersites. I love them. *smiles*

Felicia> Why do say Asrial will have to die? True, it's a BIG possibility, but there are some creative writers on the team. Who knows, they might decide to keep her around another season. *shrugs*
Btw, I think I would like to see Griff and Arthur meet Prodeus, too! He is such an awesome villain!! *grins mischieviously*
AotN
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 11:14:43 AM
IP: akron-157-26.sssnet.com

*Merlin swings in hanging by her knees from a trapeeze, sprinkling leaflets behind her. At the end of the arc, she has a sudden encounter with a wall. *THUD* She slides down the wall and forms a puddle on the floor.*

The leaflet says: "Mandi: That wasn't me. That was me quoting "Bad Guys." That was also me annoyed after seeing the leica reel at G'97, because ever since then Robyn and Dingo have taken up permanent residence in my head. Personally, I can't wait until/if TGS starts making "BG," if just to evict these Creativity Demons. It won't be next season, obviously, but I hope it's soon. Now there's a thought: if you the TGS fans had your say, what would you choose for the next series released, *if* a new series gets made: Bad Guys, New Olympians, or Future Tense?"

*The puddle reforms into Merlin, who talks to the people in her head as she limps out: "No, we can't go for ice cream. You two stop fighting. *You* two stop ... doing that. No, I already told you, no ice cream ... "*
Merlin Missy <mrwilson@umr.edu>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 10:00:55 AM
IP: speedo.physics.umr.edu

X-7: Considering that Fox views Titania's pretense as Anastasia for all those years without telling her as a betrayal, it's doubtful that she's willing to embrace that part of her heritage. It took her a while in TGS to warm up to the prospect of sharpening her abilities at all.

Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 09:41:43 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

*A rip in the fabric of space, time, and continuity suddenly opens from the ceiling and dumps Mandi into the room before closing neatly back up again. Mandi resolves that this is the last time she's taking coach.*

On the fate of Robyn: I brought the prospect of her running into Dingo up because Merlin Missy came up with the premise in an e-mail a long time ago. (points the big glowing credit arrow at Merlin for that idea) I suppose it depends on what she plans to accomplish by disappearing; will she continue the Hunter's crusade, or will she just play it safe and get the he** out of Dodge? If she decides on the former, there's another threat the Manhattan clan may have to deal with besides the Unseelie Court. If she goes for the latter option, she might just end up in Australia....oh, forget it. I'm really pushing the envelope here.

Question about which pics work and which don't: I notice that the page with all working pictures hasn't been updated as quickly as the pics have appeared. I'm assuming that follows with the difficulty of pulling updates to two different servers. Would it be easier just to update it as a running list of working pics? They don't necessarily have to be linked, just there for scatterbrained people like moi who can't remember if that pic is working or not. :)

As for who Griff and Arthur will pick up next season: Taurus is plausible if they ever managed to run into him. Nokkar--I don't know. They might run into him, but even so, he might not be willing to leave his post. I can't see Nokkar or the Golem joining their little band, either. Dingo would probably agree to come along, but like Taurus, he's not as readily accessible.

Arthur's love interest--Let's open the polls! Who's the best fleeting love interest we've seen in Pendragon for Arthur? And why? I think Elaine was fairly intriguing, especially with the subplot about her husband that was never heavily explored. What sort of "organized crime" would Hector have been involved with--perhaps he could turn out to be involved with the Illuminati.

That's all...

*Mandi pulls a paintbrush out of her bag, and paints a doorway. She opens it and steps back into the real world. Wile E. Coyote comes out of nowhere and tries to follow, smashing into the wall instead.*
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 08:40:45 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

Why is Fox not using any of her magical inheritence.One other thing, the name Xanatos sounds like it has some sort of history to it.

X-7 <Its44@us.west>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 08:29:04 AM
IP: dialupj149.mpls.uswest.net

(Doug appears in his chopper and shouts the following through a bullhorn.)
Did I say members? I meant the Trio's parents!! Sorry!!
(Doug bows and flies away)
Doug Elder
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 08:08:28 AM
IP: hd74-037.hil.compuserve.com

(Doug enters accompanied by several paramedics, Jim's girlfriend Tricia, and his two dragonslayer pals, the latter carrying a huge chest of gold and gems. He waves his hand and they set it before the TGS lawyer. Doug inquires if that's enough to pay for damages caused by Jim's car, the lawyer says yes, and starts going through it, humming "I'm in the money..." Doug waves at the paramedics and they get Jim off to the ambulance after Tricia wakes him with a slap to the face and he curses at seeing what he's done. A tow truck pulls up to remove the crashed car.)
Just had to come in and fix the damage Jim did. This is the last time I pay for his bad driving!!
Felicia- I think you have Bull (the Ultra-Pack's pit bull) mixed up with Taurus (the New Olympian minotaur cop). Remember, one is bad, the other good. Taurus is the good guy, and yes, he'd make a great knight. But Bull? No way, that dog is too vicious and dumb. Also, you might want to know that Broadway is Hudson's son (confirmed by Garg Wiseman himself). I guess that makes Deborah his mother. I don't really know who the other two young gargs' members are. In Dark Ages, all hatchlings belonged to the whole clan, though, so I guess it doesn't matter that much.
That's all for now. See y'all.
(Doug walks out through the hole in the wall, accompanied by his entourage. The tow truck pulls Jim's car away, and the paramedics load an arguing Jim and Tricia into the ambulance, which pulls away. Doug shakes his head slowly, then gets in his copter and follows behind.)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 08:06:38 AM
IP: hd74-037.hil.compuserve.com

Er...Hmm...What if people never found Asriel's body? That way, us fic author could rescue her....*stupid grin*
Eld
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 07:07:17 AM
IP: chrisreed.ne.mediaone.net

Looks around. Quiet tonight. Where is everybody?
In answer Ragnarok is the working title for TGS season two. It means Twilight of the Gods. Norse
mythology. Like the term Avalon tour means stick Elisa, Goliath, Bronx and add Angela and see where we
can send them next.

Forgive me, but who is Bull? The reference escapes.

I'm visitor 6001 through the TGS comment room front
door. We are taking a lot of hits. Yeah!!!

Later world.
Starsinger
Theresa <Starsinger@Webtv.net>
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 06:28:00 AM
IP: proxy-114.iap.bryant.webtv.net

I hope in the next season of TGS we get to see Fox use her powers more. I'm tired of seeing her reduced to arm candy for David. Maybe a Fox/Merlin team up? It's obvious that Queen Tatania is protective of Merlin . I like to know what she whisper in her ear at the end of "The Gathering" I shocked Fox , I've guessed everything from the key to immortallity, the ability to return Puck/Owen back , but maybe it has something to do with Alexander being the key to the rising. She Also seems to have her own plans when it comes to "The Rising" I really would like to see her kick the collective butts of the weird sisters. They seem jealous of her and alittle to eager to keep Oberon happy. I've tired with no success to disover the parents of Brooklyn, Lex, and Broadway from any clues in Dark ages. They are to old to come from Goliath's brothers and sisters but they seem to young to come from Hudson's generation, any idea? Finally I must say farewell to Arisial I Know she's going to die next season. She has to. Although her character was interesting "History is immune and can not be changed.....more's the pity" Demona and Goliath are destined to be together and that mean she must bite the dust. After "The Rising" I would like to see Griff and Author meet the New Olympians, Bull would make and execellent Knight and Proteous an wounderful villian, maybe pick up Dingo along the way. Well t.t.f.n. (ta-tat for now).
Felicia Smith <2funk@sprynet.com>
Chicago, Illinois United States
Friday, June 19, 1998 at 04:07:38 AM
IP: orend.ped.ehc.com

*swoops down to land in the center of the room, wings draped about her shoulders as she eyes the room uncertainly*

Hello...my computer will NOT let me into Station 8 and I was bored. So I came here..I am a newbie as far as the TGS running story-stuff goes, but here go my stupid questions anyway...
What exactly is Ragnarok? I know I sound like an idiot, and trust me, it happens all the time, but is that the name of the season or a new show or what? Help me on this one!

Um...I don't know if it means squat but for a TGS Timedancer idea:
Two years before Pearl Harbor was bombed in Owensville, Indiana, a cryptic message reading REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR! was found painted in huge letters on the sidewalk in front of the local grade school. It was never found who or why it had been put there at that time....perhaps Sata and Brooklyn and their Timedancing again?

*a penguin rushes in wielding a butter knife, and the green gargoyle dives out a nearby window, followed closely by the attacking penguin*

Okali of Clan Whiptail <jayeb@juno.com>
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 11:36:31 PM
IP: port22.shadowlink.net

For anyone who's interested, the lovely Marina Sirtis, will be on AOL tonight at 8 pm (I assume that's eastern standard time). Drop in and chat with Demona herself!
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 06:52:47 PM
IP: client-151-200-120-21.bellatlantic.net

In reference to Robyn Canmore I thought she turned up
missing in the last three part episode. At least that's what Elisa tells Jason.
Dingo/Matrix > I'm interested in learning more about
the coming of age of the nanotech bodysuit.
Yama > Is he redeeming his honor or why would he be on the Redemption Squad?
Timedance> Let's see How did those twins come about?
Hehehehehe! and how much of the current crisis does
Brooklyn and Sata really know about?
Pendragon > Major crossover with Gargoyles on the Seelie Wars.
Gargoyles> Seelie wars, more about Sharon and her
problems and the mutates, more about Phoenix Rising
(of course), and few more muggings in the park.
Dark Ages > Sever antigargoyles feelings with a possible marrage for Prince Malcom in the wings.

See I didn't mention Elisa and Goliath once.

Starsinger
Theresa <Starsinger@Webtv.net>
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 06:13:30 PM
IP: proxy-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net

The great evil that is SUMMER COLLEGE CLASSES has prevented me from getting to far in the reading of TGS, but here are my predictions as to how the 2nd season will be.

Gargoyles: People get their asses kicked.
Timedancer: Buncha time travel and people get their asses kicked.
Pendragon: Yep, more of peopld gettin their asses kicked.
and Dark Ages: Tough one, but the magic 8 ball says...ass kickin all around.

And of course, the good guys win. Hey! When do us bad guys get a chance?! C'mon! We like to win one every now and again! Villains are people too.
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 05:47:49 PM
IP: client-151-200-127-159.bellatlantic.net

Introducing a new toy lineup, to be in the stores by Christmas 1998: TGS Toys! Yes, all your favorite characters, from "Asrial (with Removable Goggles and Explosive Debris)" and "Talking Thersites (says "Are you sure that's a good idea?" "I just remembered the Second wanted my help somewhere else," and many more phrases)" to "Disco-Action Brooklyn (mini cd of "Saturday Nite Fever" included" and "Seelie-Zappin' Madoc (with real laser vision!)." Each toy comes stamped with an individual collector's number, and includes information on how you can start collecting these hot items! Buy the whole set for a child you love. Buy them for yourself! Orders being taken right now --- what toy do YOU want to see?
Just Call Me Ishmael
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 04:14:39 PM
IP: tooloud.northco.net

<<Time Dancer's second season should answer some questions raised about the first, some of which people have raised here. The perfect place to start would be with the characters introduced in "For Old Times Sake": The Sorcerer, Isfet, Myert.>>
YES!!! I'm dying to know about all this! I've even convinced myself that I NEED to know!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga usq
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 03:52:16 PM
IP: spider-ta053.proxy.aol.com

(Doug's friend Jim's car crashes through the room wall, alarms going off everywhere as it comes to a stop. Sensing a huge lawsuit, the TGS lawyer dashes up and begins a long one-sided argument with a now-unconscious Jim, who was driving. Doug gets out of the passenger seat, free of injuries thanks to seatbelt and airbag, and shakes his head.)
God, is he going to get what's coming to him this time!! I keep telling Jim and telling him, don't drive after you've had so much caffeine!! Oh wait, you guys probably aren't interested in that.
Here's how I think the second season might go:
Gargoyles: They deal with the Rising, more bad Unseelie are introduced. Many fay battles, many fay get killed. Thailog returns, so does Clifford, they do more bad stuff. Umbriel gets more mixed feelings, maybe even defects. The Illuminati stand by the whole time, trying to twist Ragnarok so it suits their ends. The good guys do all the things good guys do.
TimeDancer: Our questions, raised by the first season, answered. We get to see what the deal was with Meryt, the Sorcerer, the scroll, etc. We also have the whole Guinevere-Sata-Brooklyn business handled, and get to see an ep where Cord is sheriff in that Western town Brooklyn visited. They also deal with Kali, the bad entity trapped in the Phoenix Gate.
Dark Ages- Asrial or Diomedes bites the bullet, Goliath and Demona fall in love, more Iago and Archmage plotting, maybe the Archbishop will send a group of Templars to Wyvern to take out the gargs or try to stir up opinion against them like he did in "News from the South" and fail this time, possible season finale the events we saw in "Vows."
Pendragon- Arthur and the gang recruit Rory, Max, the Golem, Nokkar, Jennifer (from "The Watching Eye," she's a much better love interest for him than Elaine, I thought!), and a few others as knights. They team up with all the other good guys to handle the Rising and Ragnarok. In the process, maybe they hook up with Dakota Jones (if Christine Morgan will import her into TGS, of course) to find the Holy Grail. I know at least one female Arthurian knight would be a good idea. Merlin will also get more of his powers back as time goes on. I also would like to see the return and slaying of a certain pair of dragons!!
On the story behind Colin Marter, I found that out myself through I forget what. The two WW2 pilots Goliath and Griff aided in "MIA" were Colin Marter and Douglas Bader. Bader was the one with the mustache who got shot down, and Marter was the other one who gave Griff the thumbs-up and said "They're real, and they're on our side!!" (I love that line)
That's all for now.
(Doug waves goodbye and walks outside, leaving Jim to handle the car crash. Seconds later, a blue Kawasaki motorbike ridden by a beautiful brunette girl pulls up near the building. Doug gets on behind her and they glide away.)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Austin, Texas USA
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 03:48:28 PM
IP: hd82-136.hil.compuserve.com

I have begun reading some of the new espidoes of Garoyles and I have to say they are a heck of a lot better than the so-called Goliath whatever.I just want to say keep up the good work.
X-7 <Its44@mn.uswest.net>
Blaine, MN U.S.A
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 03:24:33 PM
IP: dialupb139.mpls.uswest.net

I won't jump in to the relationship argument, but I do have a question. Why do most of the posters think Goliath and Elisa are boring? I've heard it said that they're flat and dimensionless. What makes you think that. And how if so can it be remedied?
Taleweaver <rdfootman@csupomona.edu>
Anaheim, CA USA
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 02:52:29 PM
IP: 134.71.30.89

*A bright greenish light appears in the center of the room. Soon it expands into a full-length mirror, the glass glowing green. Cassandra steps through and clasps her wings around her shoulders.*

What would we like to see happen next season? I'd like to see the Illuminate take a role in Ragnarok twisting the battles to suit their needs. Truth be told, the only side the Illuminate would be on would be their own.

Time Dancer's second season should answer some questions raised about the first, some of which people have raised here. The perfect place to start would be with the characters introduced in "For Old Times Sake": The Sorcerer, Isfet, Myert.

Why would Dingo team-up with Robyn? I like both characters, but it seems unlikely. The last we saw of Robyn she was a catatonic mess. And she is the last of the Hunters; if she took up the mantle to hunt Demona again, would he go along? I don't think so, Dingo and the clan made peace and he's never met Demona so why should he hunt her?

Dark Ages: I'm having trouble remembering my dates, but shouldn't Prince Malcom be getting married soon? I remember a few comments about his martial status in a few episodes.

Pendragon: They found Merlin, now what? Obviously, they're going to help with Ragnarok. I'd like to see Eliane come back, the character that Aurther was becoming romantically interested in in "The Ill-Made Knight" episodes. How about a female knight? It is the 90's for a little while longer.

*Cassandra waves good-bye and steps back through the mirror. The mirror then sucks inside itself and vanishes with a pop sound.*
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 01:26:57 PM
IP: 192.102.223.166

One more final to go tomorrow... Calculus. Don't worry, shouldn't be too hard since I do have 5 pages of notes to fall back on.

PUCK AND OWEN-- You know,we debated that among the staff and come up with one answer: we don't know for sure.

SOLETA-- I just run the site in general. I'm no artist but the artists are listed in the pic page. I just run in here sometimes to answer a few questions and tell people what new pics are up and running.

DELILAH-- She may be a hybrid but she still has lots of Gargoyle traits in her. She turns to stone like the rest of the clones do.

WHITE PAGES-- Actually, thats the pages with listings for business and residential numbers. The Yellow pages are for businesses only.

Till next time...
DumlaoX <dumlaox@ucla.edu>
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 12:29:16 PM
IP: clsc-pc-24.clicc.ucla.edu

Truth to tell, of the different MasterPlan spin-off notions, "Bad Guys" generally interested me the least, maybe because it was the one most geared to conventional high-tech action-adventure. I was always more interested in the fantasy elements of "Gargoyles", and it didn't look as if that many of them would have made it into "Bad Guys". (Ironically enough, "Bad Guys" was also the spin-off, according to Greg, that came closest to being made).
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 12:13:42 PM
IP: pn10-ppp-136.primary.net

Terry: Oh, @#$&%! Thanks. I need more coffee. Fang still got on my nerves, anyway.

Nobody else correct me on that last post! I don't have any dignity to cling to in the first place!

*sighs and goes to bury her shame in code for a while*
Mandi Ohlin
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 11:23:39 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

Something has been bugging me for awhile. Now that the gargoyles are back with Xanatos, why don't they get armour and equipment? If they are going to have to handle George Harrison, the Ultra-Pack, Pheonix Rising and everything else, shouldn't they get some additional protection? They can't keep dodging the bullet forever. Follow the example of Brooklyn or Thailog and put some armour on. (I personally can see goliath wearing a shimmering silvery-white plate mail)
Ashlar
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 10:59:55 AM
IP: avia10.sk.sympatico.ca

Todd> Well...

Gargoyles> After a huge magical battle in which many of the immortals are killed, there will be a breif period of calm in which Goliath and Elisa end their relationship for awhile. Thailog will make his re-appearance, and George Harrison will emerge as the Hunter's heir. (Though without that always cool mask).

Pendragon> The characters of this series will get pulled into Rangarok as well, then also after a breif period of calm decide to go find the Holy Grail. Other than that I have no idea.

Darkages> Either Domacles or Astrial will take a dirt nap.

TimeDancer> Since I have inside information it wouldn't be fair to reveal what I think is going to happen.
Ashlar
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 10:51:25 AM
IP: avia10.sk.sympatico.ca

Ohlin> I beleive you are confused. Wolf and Jackal are members of the pack. Fang, Talon, Claw, etc. are the names of the mutates with wings. Fang is the one who in "The Reckoning" says "some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!"
Terry Doetzel
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 10:45:45 AM
IP: avia10.sk.sympatico.ca

Soleta: AotN is for "Angel of the Night". Easier to type. Btw, about your idea for Angela, I don't think I like the idea of her becoming human. However, there seem to be fewer stories with Puck and his magic nowadays, since it's limited to teaching Alex, so I think something along those lines would be pretty nifty.
AotN
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 10:01:25 AM
IP: dialup-103-48.sssnet.com

Cassandra: I have to agree about Elisa. We did get to see some angst in "Perchance to Dream," but the dreams in question didn't come from her own psyche, really.

So y'all want to get oféf the Goliath/Elisa debate? Fine. I'll just go back to whining about Dingo and the Matrix. <evil grin>

I read Greg's Master Plan finally, and while I like the idea of bringing back Dingo, I don't think I would have been all that interested in "Bad Guys." It would have been fun to see Robyn Canmore teaming up with Dingo and Matrix, but to me, Fang was always the most one-dimensional member of the Pack. And since we didn't see Yama any time after "Bushido" (I think), to me he remains in the category of one-shot Avalon Tour baddies. Besides, I don't think Dingo would be all that thrilled to be working with Fang, considering his discomfort with the genetic and cybernetic enhancements his comrades got in "Upgrade." Robyn and Dingo is an interesting combo, however....

There! Someone respond to this, tell me what a dope I am so we can change the subject adequately! :)
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 08:35:22 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

Well, I read over the comment room, and the current Goliath and Elisa discussion got started when somebody asked the TGStaff to let them have kids. Personally, I agree with many of the other posters that the topic's quickly gotten old, and I wouldn't mind seeing something else.

How about this for a topic: Based on what you've seen of TGS's first season, what would you expect to see in the second season for each cycle? By that, I don't mean "What do you want to see", but "What do you think would most likely happen in Season Two?"
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, June 18, 1998 at 07:47:43 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-107.primary.net

* claps at the comments on the wall *

Well AntOn ( or whatever) if you don't like Elisa then fine. I think what if for a ep that Elisa gets turned into a teenager. Like 17 or 19 years old but has her memories and......dumb idea.
I always thought it would be cool if Elisa makes a video for The Real World or Road Rules and she gets picked !
I'm thinking of making a story. Or what if Angela does by ending in a picture of herself has a human in "Equality" and she gets picked and she asked Puck to ask ask Alex to turn her into a human !

Whoa ! Cool idea !

I got a storyline to make , SEE YA !

P.S. There's this season's Real World cast page. ^^
Soleta <shantah@juno.com>
Oklahoma City, OK USA
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 11:43:49 PM
IP: usr1-dialup23.mix2.atlanta.mci.net

(Doug skates in on rollerblades, loses control of the skates, crashes into the fountain, and pulls himself out soaking wet.)
Whoops!! Still getting used to these, I guess. Here's what I have to say:
"Goliath and Elisa can't raise a child. Just think- a gargoyle and human raising a kid in New York. It would be terrible for the kid."
- That's subject to interpretation. I think they'd do a great job raising a kid together. Being parents would solve the lack of character development problems for those two right off! And surely the kid could get used to it over time, and be okay with it. I mean, what kid doesn't argue with their parents half the time? What kid is ever fully used to to them? I know I wasn't, and still ain't. For Goliath and Elisa's kid, it would be the same, but that wouldn't make the kid's childhood terrible, just normal! Of course, some people (we all know who) might try to make it terrible, but I trust any kid with Goliath and Elisa as parents and the rest of the good guys as uncles and aunts could handle all that! Let's have a little faith, okay? Anyway, I never said Goliath and Elisa should have children, only that it might be interesting to see what they'd be like as parents, and what the kids might be like, too. I also said if they want to raise their own kids, it's their biz, not ours! Okay? So can we please drop the subject and get on to something else? This debate is getting so old!!
(Doug takes a bow and skates away, looking worse on rollerblades than anyone else who's ridden them before but smiling all the way, even as he crashes into the TGS lawyer and papers scatter everywhere. "Sorry!!" Doug calls out, and jets out of the room before he can be sued.)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 10:30:30 PM
IP: dd12-125.dub.compuserve.com

I was just wondering HOW IN THE WORLD did people start talking about Goliath's and Elisa's sex life. I have nothing agaisnt it, but I am curious.

Well, about interspecies relationships. I think it's fine for Goliath and Elisa to have sex. If they want to, they should. About raising a child though... That's a big problem. I don't think that they could raise a child properly in NY. A gargoyle and human trying to raise a child would be near to impossible. It would be terrible for the kid.

Well, before I go I'd like to say that reading today's comment room was pretty darn funny. I still wonder how in the world the subject came up, but it was still pretty amusing to me. Time to say bye.

Lanseril
Lanseril <brien@nwpacifica.net>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 08:54:07 PM
IP: ppp42.pdx.nwpacifica.net

<<Well, I see that even among TGS readers, there is still a fair amount of anti-gargoyle prejudice...>>
*looks away from that one, offended*
Ouch. That's just harsh.

Btw, am I the only person in here who doesn't like Elisa?
*looks around, smirking* Ch-yeah!
AotN
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 08:30:36 PM
IP: dialup-103-37.sssnet.com

<<..if you're curious about Angela's dark side (not that she has much of one), check "Reprisals Part Three".>>
I've read it, but wasn't much impressed by Angela's "rage". I'd love to see her go totally "Mommy", Just once! Someone make her really, really mad, Lord knows I'm not gonna do it.
About Goialth and Elisa- I'm not saying a cross bred child is disgusting, I'm saying it's not right, not yet, not in this time. My views are sorta complex on this..., Goliath and Elisa should not be together, but a gargoyle/human relationship is no problem with me....

Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 08:22:11 PM
IP: spider-tq083.proxy.aol.com

Elisa/Goliath> No, I don't find it disgusting. I don't find the idea of children disgusting. My objections to interspecies relationships are based on issues of communication and sentience, a nonissue as far as Elisa and Goliath are concerned.

As for sexual compatibility issues, again, I don't think there's much of one; Goliath is physically powerful, but he's fully capable of restraining himself, and he's aware that Elisa isn't as tough as a gargoyle female. (Why am I reminded of Larry Niven's "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex"?)

The children issue... I imagine that magical intervention would be the method, since Goliath and Elisa would not trust any genetic or medical intervention, given their prior history with it (the mutates, the clones, etc.). On a related topic, it's been implied onscreen that the only hybrids are those of genetically compatible species (in the episode where Worf's son was introduced, and it's revealed that the mother was half-human, half-Klingon, Troi comments that she hadn't realized the two species were compatible, and someone says something about that not being the issue; rather, the violence of Klingon mating was the reason humans rarely had children with them); explanations given in books are NOT canon in the Trek universe. (If they were, continuity would be even more of a mess than it is normally.)
Laudre <laudre@null.net>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 07:21:21 PM
IP: p02-09.stamford.dialin.ntplx.com

Well, if you're curious about Angela's dark side (not that she has much of one), check "Reprisals Part Three".

As for Demona and Macbeth - I feel certain that they never did you-know-what. Let's face it: can you seriously imagine Demona doing that sort of thing with a human? No matter how desperate she was for her plan to work? Just going through the marriage ceremony must have been something of a strain for her.
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 06:36:13 PM
IP: pn11-ppp-216.primary.net

<<..you guys think anything ever happened between Demona and Macbeth?>>
I think "Master Greg" said No. I severly doubt it, myself.
<<Jackal,.... You're not the only one who sometimes wishes their girlfriend had wings...>>
*Only response is a very big grin*
About Elisa!....., Broadway shoulda..., no that's mean! Really though, everyone has a dark side..., I'd be willing to pay to see Elisa's..., and Angela's..., Hudson's.., Am I evil or something?
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 03:59:21 PM
IP: spider-tf084.proxy.aol.com

As much as I love Elisa I have to agree with AotN, she's too perfect. The two problems she had to deal with--keeping the Gargoyles a secret and her obsession with Xanatos's dirty dealings--have been jerked away by making Xanatos a good guy and letting her friends and family know about the Gargoyles. Boy, that was a long sentence. She's becoming too static.
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 03:35:07 PM
IP: 192.102.223.166

(Doug appears on an Avalon-skiff in the middle of the chat room fountain and waves hello)
To close the Goliath-Elisa debate: They look great together and what they do is their business, not ours. Let's stop making it ours!! They wanna have kids, kiss, whatever, they can do it. They have that freedom. Of course, like someone said, the Rising must be dealt with first. And Jackal, you're right. You're not the only one who sometimes wishes their girlfriend had wings (and sometimes in my wildest dreams, she does!!).
(Doug laughs and rows back into the Avalon mists)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 03:25:10 PM
IP: hd59-190.hil.compuserve.com

Doug: Goliath's best man? I would really like to see, as a mark of respect if nothing else, Renard. It just seems fitting IMHO. That's just given me a whole range of ideas regarding G&E's kid, but I won't start talking about them now, since this is a TGS CR, not an ED's waffle room :)

Sevarius Jr: (Xanatos quote) Oh, yes that is VERY David. Heh… :)
ED <ed.reynolds@virgin.net>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 02:16:51 PM
IP: 194.168.2.196

Okay, I gotta take the blame for stirring up a lot of this, but can we get off (no pun intended) of Goliath/Elisa's sex life? It's not that I don't like the gargoyles, I wouldn't be here if I didn't. And I don't care about Goliath and Elisa together romantically,(although, like I said earlier, I think that the tension between them is much better than the romance itself, ie. Mulder and Scully in the XFiles). It's just that the idea of them together in THAT way (and you know what I mean) kind of freaked me out. But never mind, that's it. The subject is dead to me.

But while we're on the subject of gargoyle/human relationships...you guys think anything ever happened between Demona and Macbeth? I mean, they were pretty buddy-buddy there for a while...Naw, better off not knowin.
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle , Washington USA
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 02:14:31 PM
IP: client-151-200-127-201.bellatlantic.net

Well, I see that even among TGS readers, there is still a fair amount of anti-gargoyle prejudice, judging from the people who proclaim themselves revolted by Goliath and Elisa's relationship :)
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 12:18:09 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-103.primary.net

<<How come you guys haven't made a series based on Dingo and the Matrix doing good in Austraila? I would like to see that in the near future - Adam Obremski>>
Actually, if you go here, you'll see that something like that might have just happened!! Maybe it still will.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/1805/masterplan.html

Also, there are a few other story lines here that I find appealing!
Apollo
Apollo <ORF4@aol.com>
Falls Church, VA USA
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 11:26:34 AM
IP: 171-141-213.ipt.aol.com

<<I laugh sooo hard whenever someone talks about Goliath crushing Elisa..>>
Like I said if Elisa woulda feel in love with a "normal" sized gargoyle like Brooklyn..., hey no problemo..OK I'm really gone this time, talk later when I have time!!!
Jackal
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 10:03:13 AM
IP: ww-tn06.proxy.aol.com

Also, I laugh sooo hard whenever someone talks about Goliath crushing Elisa. My twin brother and I have been watching the show since '94, and anytime there has ever been chemistry between them, my brother has always commented on that particular subject. Except, being my brother, he usually adds immitations with his comments... Well, if any of you have siblings like that, you know what I mean. My brother to other people: funny, attractive, friendly, popular. My brother to me: sarcastic, annoying, disgusting, etc.

Btw, thanks, everyone, for putting up with my "crap" in the last post.
AotN
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 09:54:56 AM
IP: akron-157-16.sssnet.com

Okay, all of you "Elisa-lovers" are probably going to hate me for this, but I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS AT GOLIATH AND ELISA'S WEDDING (Sorry to say "Elisa-lovers", but I've disliked her character since the first season. She's so...perfect. :P).
Sevarius Jr.> I laughed soo hard when I read your post about Xanatos! Btw, I agree. Elisa and Goliath; it's like cat and dog, or something.

Sorry to everyone who thinks my opinion really stinks, but that's just the way I feel about it. A human and a gargoyle together just seems totally unnatural to me.
AotN
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 09:48:32 AM
IP: akron-157-16.sssnet.com

I probably took the conversation to an exetreme level, if I offended anyone, I assure you, it wasn't intentional. But I know I'm not the only one in this room that has this type of curiousity...., Anyhow, The clones.., awww man, I got caught on the computer..., I'll talk later!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 09:47:48 AM
IP: ww-tn06.proxy.aol.com

One thing I did notice on the Avalon Tour, was all the heros left in other lands. It's as if Avalon knew they would be needed. It also tied up loose ends for Goliath with his being able to forgive the
Captain, Angela finding out who her parents are and the conflicts that separated them, and Elisa having
to confront her true feelings for Goliath (even if it
took Hunter's Moon to bring them to a head).
Dingo may not necessarily be a wanted man. He could be on probation or any of a dozen different reasons
for him not to be wanted. Fox did say he was hired
in Walkabout. Part of his parole may be to have a
steady job. Who knows?
When is Disney kicking off the Disney Toon channel and does anyone know if it will be a premium channel?
Starsinger
Theresa <Starsinger@Webtv.net>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 09:46:46 AM
IP: proxy-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Oops. Forgot to note a few things. Forgive my many typos in the last post.

About Elisa and Goliath getting married: I'd say Brooklyn or Hudson as best man. As for the inter-species debate, I'm only going to go so far as to say that if they want to have children, there's no way Elisa or Goliath would agree to gene-splicing a la Sevarius, whether or not he had anything to do with the process or not.

But I think their biggest problem with actually doing it the "natural" way (I'm hedging because I don't know how young the age range of comment room visitors gets--Gargoyles is a cartoon, albeit an extremely sophisticated one!) would be safety reasons. With their relative sizes, Goliath could easily hurt Elisa if it got out of hand, and he would probably remain chaste than risk that happening.
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 08:46:44 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

< SHAMELESS PLUG >

Adam: On the Dingo bit, you ever read my fics? I did I few with Dingo and the Matrix. <evil grin>

< / SHAMELESS PLUG >

Anyway, this opens up a topic not related to you-know-what ep! Yay! That's a good question, though, regarding TGS. Are we going to see Dingo and the Matrix again? Maybe instead of having Dingo show up in Gargoyles, what if Brooklyn and Sata ran into him in TimeDancer. As we've seen, they can go into the recent past; what if they landed in Australia a week or two after "Walkabout?" Considering that a) Dingo is still a wanted man in the States, b) the Matrix may or may not decide that law and order is its cup of tea, and c) is just starting out as a "real hero," he might need some help (whether or not he wants it, of course).

I think it would be more plausible for TimeDancer than the other three series: why Arthur, Griff, and Merlin would go to Australia is beyond me, Dingo wouldn't be likely to take a trip back to NYC if he's still wanted there(not without good reason), and naturally there's no way you could put Dingo in Dark Age

BTW, I'm only using Brianna now because I finally got around to reading "Into the Woods" last night while trying to catch up on that big chunk of eps in the middle of Pendragon I missed for some reason.

This is your brain. This is your brain while avoiding working on Visual Basic. Any questions? :)
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 08:25:16 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

How do we know that Goliath and Elisa would have a human-style wedding? Wouldn't some sort of home-made commitment ceremony (as Greg indicated was his plans) be more probable? I certainly don't want to even imagine Goliath in a tuxedo. *shudders at the mere thought of it *
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 07:44:22 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-114.primary.net

Hi again,

Wow, we talking about Elisa's & Goliath's sex life , whoa ! Okay andyway who started it ? The whole conversation , it wasn't me. Well anyone think about my idea of Goliath's parents ? He doesn't have to know that they are his "own" parents but they would be in storyline.

Well anyway see ya !

P.S. Did anyone see Real World VII : Seattle, last night ? The season premiere ? Cool !
Soleta <shantah@juno.com>
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 04:41:33 AM
IP: usr48-dialup59.mix2.atlanta.mci.net

How come you guys haven't made a series based on Dingo and the Matrix doing good in Austraila? I would like to see that in the near future
Adam Obremski
blaine, mn usa
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 03:48:50 AM
IP: dial-207-225-154-157.mpls.uswest.net

<<Jackel > I have to disagree about no intervention in the birth of Spock. Vulcans have a copper based blood, not iron. That's why their blood is green. Jean Lorrah did several excellant ST books. The one that stands out in my mind is the IDIC Empidemic. With the premise of a massive and fatal epidemic caused by the mixed blood children. Since they had to have intervention to produce viable offsping. This follows a lot of her Fanfic in the Night of the Twin Moons universe where she explores the problems of a mixed blood/species child and the difficulties faced in having one. She does have a web site but I don't remember what it is right now.>>
I stand corrected. If you remember where that web site is, please let me know..., anyway, I'll talk more about this later, I really need to go, ok for real this time, I'm gone...
Jackal
Ga Usa
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 01:07:06 AM
IP: spider-wc071.proxy.aol.com

"I don't image this would be such an issue if Elisa fell in love with a "normal" sized gargoyle such as Brooklyn."
The issue I was talking about in my last post was gargoylian size. (No, not "that" size.) Family room, I agree, but if I offend someone please tell me. Sex is a natural thing, and I feel more people are curious about gargoyle sexuality than would like to admit. If gargoyles aren't gonna be treated the same as humans then they should be put on the Endangered Speices list..., So in saying that, let's just treat this like.. ummmm, National Geographic Explorer or somethin. People are curious, just like we watch the mating habits of lions, then so be it with gargoyles.
<<Xanatos... I can actually see him now, big grin on his face, one eyebrow arched up. "You did WHAT? Fascinating.">>
Sevarius Jr., I'm more than sure that some people would go ballistic over a human and gargoyle {expressing love for one another}, but some people also went and go ballistic over same sex relationships. Chosing to have intercourse with a gargoyle is a sexual preference and should be viewed as the right a particular human has, (if we're not gonna acknowledge gargoyles as an intelligent creature). Are we moving to fast by talking about this sort of thing? It did take 2 whole seasons for Goliath and Elisa to kiss... or for Elisa to kiss Goilath, but if they choose to follow thur this relationship, it's gonna come up. I'm just sayin the sex.., I don't have a problem with, I would love to have a chance like that! I kinda wish my girlfriend had wings, heh, heh, wait. Let me look to see if she read that, she's asleep OK. The child issue..., is another story! Bye for now!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 12:55:32 AM
IP: spider-wc071.proxy.aol.com

Hey there! Just a few things:
Mandi Ohlin - Since Oberon's children are immortal, I'm guessing that the muzzle will be on the Banshee for a few hundred years at least. :)
All - I also don't think that any of the Seelie will turn on Oberon. He may suspect a few, but they are the chosen. I also believe that Puck will get a chance to redeem himself to Oberon.
As for Goliath and Elisa, why are all of you people jumping straight to the sexual part of their relationship. There is more than that to a partership. And the kids issue too, just chill, it isn't like spending time together and dating means popping out children right and left. Besides, in the middle of the Rising? Don't you think more important things might just come up?(Sorry if I sound too preachy, Long day)
Doug Elder - definetly Brooklyn as his best man, hands down!

Apollo <ORF4@aol.com>
Falls Church, VA USA
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 12:37:17 AM
IP: 169-211-199.ipt.aol.com

Some one has to say it, and it might as well be me...., Jackal! Heh, ok no jokes, really, Goliath is a BIG motherlova and you have poor little Elisa. Is that impossible? Not at all, then again it would depend on the woman, and what she wants..., I don't image this would be such an issue if Elisa fell in love with a "normal" sized gargoyle such as Brooklyn. To me the issue isn't the..., how do I say it..., (don't take it out of context), isn't the size of a gargoyle..., Hell the way I see it if you wanna have sex with a gargoyle, then by all means do it. That's not the problem, the problem is the issue raising a child with gargoyle and human parents. I don't even accept it with adoption or scientific/magical influence. Not in this time, maybe one day, in say.., 2255. I would be open minded to a gargoyle and human rasing a child.., But now? Uh-huh. I'm sure Elisa wants kids one day, but sweetie, the only thing besides love that you're gonna get from Goliath.., is physical pleasure, no child. Sorry sugar, have ta look to a human for that!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 12:03:46 AM
IP: spider-wc012.proxy.aol.com

Am I still the only voice of reason here? C'mon, this ain't like two people from different races getting together. These are two completely different species. And some pretty substantial evidence that they're not biologically compatible. I personally can't vouch for all New Yorkers, but acceptance be damned, if they new that Elisa and Goliath were doing the horizontal hokey-poke (yes I'm actually calling it that, this is a family comment room!) they would be pretty grossed out. Right before they got the torches and pitchforks. I mean, most humans at best tolerate them, but how would they honestly feel about one of them mating with a human? Bloody anarchy my friend.

Besides, I bet if they ever did do it Xanatos would never let the good detective live it down. I can actually see him now, big grin on his face, one eyebrow arched up. "You did WHAT? Fascinating."
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 11:58:20 PM
IP: client-151-200-126-160.bellatlantic.net

Howdy,

Well, i think of the same, Alex accitenetly turned Goliath a human and Elisa and Goliath on a date and......( you know.) Well, as for Goliath's parents
I didn't say that he would know about who his are , I mean like introducing them as part of the clan. Like Greg did with ColdSteel , ColdFire, and ColdStone. See what I'm saying ?

Well see ya !

Soleta <shantah@juno.com>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 11:47:26 PM
IP: usr48-dialup59.mix2.atlanta.mci.net

(Doug walks into the room accompanied by two big warrior-type guys in armor with huge swords that have "Dragon-Slayer" written all over them. The two go stand against the wall and he walks to the center to say what he has to say)
On Dragons- Thanks for the business cards, Tanika. I gave them to Gaist and Bowen here and now they know where to look for dragons next time they want to go hunting! Heheheh. And you don't know where I live, so how could you tell the dragons anyway? Ha!! Oh, and Theresa, I never fed my dragon sheep. He didn't like mutton. I only fed him people I didn't like and thought the world could live better without, such as religious fundamentalists/extremists, neo-Nazis, psycho terrorists, weirdo cults, and stupid bums who were hanging around and not doing anything but beg for stuff they didn't deserve. I was planning to add the world's dictators and their armies to the mix, along with all those dodobrain money-grubbing meglomaniac Republicans in Washington, but the beast is dead, so oh well. Since when do dragons cough up hairballs, anyway? And I don't recall hiring you to clean any up. Please send me an e-mail explaining that message. I kinda want to keep the subject of my dragon troubles out of this chat room. Anyone else wants to question me about dragons, send e-mail! You have the address!! Thank you!!
On Inter-Species Relationships- I think if someone wants to have a relationship with someone else, we should not make it our problem. As long as they're both happy, we know it's right, and there's love, nothing else should matter. We know Elisa and Goliath have all these things, and most of us are happy for them. Sure some are grossed out, but they're the minority. I'm not one of them. I think if Elisa and Goliath want to get married, raise kids, do whatever, I'm fine with it. More power to them! Just letting you know where I stand in the current debate.
On a side note, who do you guys think Goliath would pick as best man if he and Elisa were to have their wedding? I say either Xanatos, Matt, or Brooklyn.
That's all for now.
(Doug walks out, trailed by his new bodyguards.)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 11:08:30 PM
IP: dd54-192.dub.compuserve.com

ok, Goliath and Elisa having kids, the actual act of conseption kinda, well, the image in my mind isn't pretty. Wouldn't it like, well, hurt(NO I AM NOT A PERVERT)??
Ordell <ordell9425@geocities.com>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 10:40:11 PM
IP: 202-100-138.ipt.aol.com

You know, I've only been away since, like, *Monday* and this place is *full*. Ay-ay ay, too much to read! :P
~sigh~ I don't have much to say on the subject of Goliath and Elisa *having children* (~cough-cough~), so everyone has to read these posts of me expressing boredom. Please forgive.
AotN
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 10:04:13 PM
IP: dialup-103-53.sssnet.com

Sevarius Jr.: I seem to be the only one who thinks the whole Goliath-Elisa relationship is *utterly disgusting*, sooo...
AotN
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 09:54:40 PM
IP: dialup-103-53.sssnet.com

Jackel > I have to disagree about no intervention in
the birth of Spock. Vulcans have a copper based blood, not iron. That's why their blood is green.
Jean Lorrah did several excellant ST books. The one
that stands out in my mind is the IDIC Empidemic. With the premise of a massive and fatal epidemic caused by the mixed blood children. Since they had to have intervention to produce viable offsping. This
follows a lot of her Fanfic in the Night of the Twin
Moons universe where she explores the problems of a
mixed blood/species child and the difficulties faced
in having one. She does have a web site but I don't
remember what it is right now. I'm all for Elisa and
Goliath having a child, but if it is with magic there
are several ways it could happen. Totaly human, totaly gargoyle or a blend. Delilahs genetic code is
more cosmetic from Elisa than anything else. Most of
her genetic makeup would appear to be from Demona.
By the way, my Sime/Gen listserve mentioned that they
will kill of Dax this seasons end. I though they already had the season finale and that I missed it.
Later World
Starsinger
PS DOUG please no more feeding your dragons sheep. The hair balls are an awful mess to clean up.
Theresa <Starsinger@Webtv.net>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 08:34:41 PM
IP: proxy-166.iap.bryant.webtv.net

<<..Or for that matter everybody's favorite Vulcan/human halfbreed, Spock? I mean, heck, at least Elisa and Goliath are from the same _planet_....>>
No scientific interference was needed in the "creation" of Spock. Science would have to interfer with a gargoyle/human child, being that they are NOT genetically compatible.
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
GA Usa
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:48:30 PM
IP: ww-tr05.proxy.aol.com

Sorry, it's me again. I wanted to bring up a topic that I don't know if you guys have approached before or not (I'm new to the comment room)

One of the things I love to do is a Casting Call. If any of you are familiar with Wizard: A Guide to Comics magazine, you know they do this all the time with comic books.

So basically, I wanta know, who would you cast if Disney was making a live action movie of the Gargoyles? [please try and be creative. I know that Disney made the characters of the show look like their counterparts in real life, ie. Frakes really does look like Xanatos and Marina Sirtis looks like the human Demona. But what about the other characters? Who would you have play Elisa? Macbeth? Oberon? Puck? Of course the 'goyles would have to be CGI with the usual voices. Hell, you can include the TGS characters too, and who you would like to play their parts. But give me the 411. Or if you thind this blows, go ahead and tell me, I won't be to offended...I hope.]

But if any of you decide to get silly and choose Jeff Bennett for the part of, lets say, Macbeth, then I will strangle you.
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle , Washington USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:39:11 PM
IP: client-151-200-125-23.bellatlantic.net

K, this is what I was saying..., (I got "delayed" eariler), Is there anything wrong with a gargoyle/human realtionship? Well, that depends.., Is sex with a gargoyle wrong? Not to me. Would I do it? You bet! Where's Sata?? Just kidding..., anyway, if they plan to have children, that's a different story.., It doesn't matter if science is used or not, I feel it's still wrong to bring a child of "that" nature in the world. It's simply not fair to the kid. I have more to say, but I wanna see how yall respond to what I said so far. By the way, thanks to whoever it was that pointed me out to the "Ask Greg" place, I learned alot. So now that i know that Thailog's alive..., where's his evil ass at?!!!!!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
GA USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:36:23 PM
IP: ww-tr05.proxy.aol.com

I'm not too big a fan of Star Trek (although personally I think the Borg kick ass). But even then, at least the aliens look human. The Gargoyles are humanoid, but no one is gonna mistake someone with wings, talons, a tail (and, in Brooklyn's case, a beak) as your average Jon Q. Public. I don't know, this subject just seems real weird to me. Besides, even though I'm more of the typical neanderthal man (you know, more action less romance) I gotta admit that Gargoyles is so much better with the sexual tension between Goliath and Elisa. They can't get together because they aren't even of the same species. It's kind of like the whole Mulder/Scully thing. Even though lots of people would probably like them to get together, that would ruin things.

Still, who knows? Maybe my dad will mutate Elisa into a Gargoyle just for the hell of it.

[Oh, and Batya...I just gotta say, you are one hell of a good writer. Keep it up.]
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:28:34 PM
IP: client-151-200-125-23.bellatlantic.net

BATYA: Well said! *applauds*
Jalapena, I've even seriously considered creating a webpage dedicated soley to interspecies relationships, with fanfic, histories of the couples, etc, including couples like Goliath and Elisa, of course, both Natalie and Nick _and_ Tracy and Vachon from _Forever Knight_, and several _Star Trek_ couples where species was especially an issue, like Kira and Odo. I might still do it someday, if I ever get the time and motivation.
Queen Tanika <-tanika-@geocities.com>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:27:40 PM
IP: grmn-105ppp51.epix.net

ED: I agree with you completely topic-wise -- I'd have preferred for all canon discussion to take place at Station 8, and TGS discussion here. There's no way to keep it that way, I suppose. But I do think that a link to the S8 room at the top of this page would be a good idea.

Goliath and Elisa: Ah, one of my favorite topics. As far as children, Greg has said that it's impossible for them to have children naturally (not surprising, considering how wildly divergent gargoyles would have to be genetically from humans). When he made the comment "I'm sure Servarius would love to try", I assumed there'd be some type of story where Servarius gets ahold of some of their DNA, or maybe uses "leftover" from Thailog and Delilah, and genetically engineers a child . . . maybe for use as a servant/protector/drone/what-have-you, a la "Little Anton", or as a "favor" to Goliath and Elisa. I even entertained the notion that they'd actually ASK him, but that's rather ridiculous. Then Greg posted this in answer to one person's question:

"Eventually, way, way down the line, I see Goliath and Elisa addressing the issue of children. All sorts of options are available, except natural procreation between two widely and wildly divergent species. Elisa could never be pregnant with Goliath's child without assistance from science or magic. I've
already stated that I don't see them going that way. But I do see them raising a child together. But not without serendipity (and some tragedy) playing a role. I don't want to say anymore right now."

My guess is that Elisa gets involved with some young human child on a case, who is orphaned during the course of the story, and Elisa convinces Goliath that they (or legally, she, as a single parent) should adopt him/her. I know there are a billion things wrong with that theory (like cops not getting emotionally involved in their cases), but it's just my guess.

Gotta glide. Clear skies, everyone.

**Before leaving, Tanika walks over to DOUG and hands him a stack of business cards from the Save the Dragons campaign, the Adopt a Dragon Foundation, the Friends of the Dragon webring, the Alt.Fan.Dragons newsgroup, and several others, and whispers, "I've given them all your business card, too. They know where you live now." She grins, says "Just kidding," adds, "Just try to lay off the dracocide, okay?" grins again, and leaves.**
Queen Tanika <-tanika-@geocities.com>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:19:52 PM
IP: grmn-105ppp51.epix.net

I think I'll use this pic-color combination as my trademark in here. :)

Sevarius Jr., Jackal, and anyone else who thinks Goliath and Elisa mating is wrong -- do you also object to the cross-species marriages and crossbreed children in Star Trek? Deanna Troi's parents, Worf's marriage to Dax (and his quarter-human son Alexander)? Or for that matter everybody's favorite Vulcan/human halfbreed, Spock?
I mean, heck, at least Elisa and Goliath are from the same _planet_....
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:06:34 PM
IP: 64.new-york-21-22rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

I agree with ED that some of the conversation here really belongs in the original comment room, but it's difficult to restrict that sort of thing. On to one or two comments of my own:

I think that gargoyles actually predated humans, myself. My main reason for suspecting this is that gargoyles seem better adapted, biologically speaking, to a world where humans and other sentient beings that are active in the daytime don't exist. Let's face it, stone sleep is a dangerous liability with the humans around - in fact, without it, the mass extinctions might not have been possible. But on its own terms, it's very useful; the gargoyle stores up enough solar energy to allow him or her to glide around at night, undergoes rest, and wounds are healed. If there were no humans around, stone sleep wouldn't be a liability at all. (Not that this is intended as an argument in defense of Demona's genocidal campaigns, mind you :)
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 06:43:23 PM
IP: pn4-ppp-182.primary.net

<<Sevarius Jr.: I think you'd be in the extreme minority thinking that.>>
May be not, cause I feel the same way! Wait I'll explain later......

jackal <jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 05:38:33 PM
IP: ww-tn06.proxy.aol.com

Yeah, but in the end the Beast turned into a human! I don't care if I am in the minority, Goliath and Elisa...together...it just ain't right! Yeah, okay, if Goliath was human like in the mirror...But as a Gargoyle? No way. Stick with your own kind.
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 04:38:40 PM
IP: client-151-200-121-169.bellatlantic.net

Sevarius Jr.: I think you'd be in the extreme minority thinking that. I mean, if you've got Beauty and the beast, surely the G&E situation is OK too. :|
ED
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 03:03:04 PM
IP: p29-grouse-gui.tch.virgin.net

Sevarius Jr.: My original idea was that Goliath was turned human like in "the Mirror" and well things... happened. At least in that scenerio wouldn't have her OB/GYN giving her stranging looks in the delivery room.

*Cassandra grins, jumps into a wind current, and glides away.*
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 02:53:24 PM
IP: 192.102.223.166

Am I the only one who thinks that the idea of Goliath and Elisa having kids is perverted? I mean Jesus, regardless of the romance between them (which I, being a callous, lonely man, never really thought necessary), they aren't even of the same species! I mean, the gene-splicing thing with Delilah I can buy, but them...together? Ugh. Not a nice image.
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 02:36:24 PM
IP: client-151-200-125-209.bellatlantic.net

Shauntell: Goliath and Elisa having children. Interesting idea that I've wonder about too. My theory is that either magic would have to be involved or Dr. Sevarius. But Deliah is prove that human and gargoyle genes can be combined.

Deliah turning to stone at sunrise, hum. I think she would. Sevarius explained that the stone sleep allows gargoyles to collect solar energy so they wouldn't have to spend all their time eating--what was it--the equivlant of a whole cow a day? Deliah's metabolism would require that she either sleeps as a statue or spends all her time eating. But regardless, I think the clan should make more of an effort to make her part of the clan. Out of all the clones, she probably has the best chance of intergrating.
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 02:06:05 PM
IP: 192.102.223.166

I haven't made a proper post in here for ages, have I?

Well, answering last week's Star Trek q, I'm the curious opposite. I became interested in ST because of 2 reasons.
1)Because one of my friends is a Borg freak and I was curious to see what he was talking about.
2)Because of the Gargoyles actors.
So Al's currently lending me some of his taped Voyager eps and his First Contact videos. It's quite good actually. But I came to ST (in part) through Gargs, not vica versa. :)

DumlaoX: The 'white' pages? *laughs* Is that the American version of Yellow Pages or something?

Doug: yeah, but unless the Banshee can have Madoc remove the clamp over her mouth, her best bet is major sucking up to Oberon, not rebellion. As for the sisters, I'm not sure they'd trust Madoc.

Todd: Hmm. Interesting name origin.

Felicia: Hmm. I think that Greg said that most of the stuff with Elisa's genes went on the looks. The mechanics of her is probably more taken from Demona. :| But she might be up and about at sunrise, I suppose.

You know, a lot of these discussions really belong at S8. This was my fear originally with separate CRs. *sigh* Still, you get all the piccies here :)

Lady Mystic: I think the first race is referring to them being the most important race to themselves. But I hadn't really considered that they gained those customs independently. But since most of the stuff they might require would probably come from humans anyway, I assume they'd need to get it from the humans even if it isn't strictly 'permission'. Hmm… interesting though.

Got to go... Bye!
ED <ed.reynolds@virgin.net>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 01:47:28 PM
IP: 194.168.2.196

Hello everyone! Long time, no see! :)

I haven't been on the computer at all since like Friday. Real Life stuff. Just went to my family's family-gathering. I haven't been around in days so bare with me while I catch up.

<<ED: As for shaving, why would the humans give gargoyles, or beasts as many would see them, the opportunity to shave? Perhaps Malcolm and a few others would be OK with it, but many wouldn't. And as for gargs adopting human customs, yeah. You're right, methinks.>> First of all, let me say thanks for agreeing with me on the idea of gargoyles adopting human customs. But to clarify on the rest of your comment: Who said anything about the gargoyles having to get permission from the humans to do anything? How do we know (or not know) that they shaved (and did other things) before the humans entered into their lives? We automatically assume that their "human" qualities came from us. What if they (meaning their "human" qualities) were around before there was ever even an "US".

It seems like they had a unique, civilized (as in evolved) culture of their own way before humans were around. A unique blend of human and animalistic qualities. And like every culture, it picks up things from other cultures. So they may have gotten some customs from humans, while their other "human-like" qualities may have come from a gargoyles origin.

So I think gargoyles are not void from the concept of having their own unique culture. They are clasified as "The First Race", a race older than ours. So let's start treating them like we treat the Second and Third Races, as a species with it's own origin and personality. We've got to stop thinking of them as pets that humans tamed, but as a race that was "civilized" before humans probably were. (Sorry if I sounded angry - didn't mean to.)
Lady Mystic <TJSSLSSAS@aol.com>
Dearborn , MI USA
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 01:18:01 PM
IP: 166-39-68.ipt.aol.com

LikeShine - Gore got his own domain name. www.s8.org This comment room is actually part of his virtual site.
Larry
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 08:55:42 AM
IP: www-fw-proxy4.boeing.com

I don't think that we'll ever meet Goliath's biological parents in TGS; let's face it, after all, biological parents were just not part of the Gargoyle Way at Castle Wyvern. Remember how long it took Angela to get Goliath to acknowledge her as his daughter.

The name "Madoc Morfryn" comes from some old Welsh texts where he was named as Merlin's father, but no further information was given. We combined the name with the medieval tradition that Merlin's father was the Devil (though changing it to a powerful and evil renegade fay to avoid religious controversy issues - although a trace of this is found in Maddox's first name, Nicholas - as in "Old Nick").
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 07:58:13 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-161.primary.net

My bad again it's the Shauntell girl.

* leaves with her head down *
Soleta <haskett@juno.com>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 04:59:13 AM
IP: usr7-dialup3.atlanta.mci.net

My bad, it's the girl under me of my first post.

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Soleta <haskett@juno.com>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 04:57:48 AM
IP: usr7-dialup3.atlanta.mci.net

Hi again.
I argee with Amber girl there. I been thinking about Goliath & Elisa's relationship and so for...
I had this vision that Goliath's parents would be not from Scotland orinogally(sp). But like the time of Greek mythology.
Gods, like Zeus and Aries.
I made this picture in my head that Goliath's mother would have his colors(lavendar skin , blank/brown hair..etc.) but have the taloned wings.
And she'll be like a gargoyle version of Xena ! Sounds weird but it's matches perfectly. And in my own way gargoyles in that time didn't turn to stone. But Aries fought agains Zeus and Aries won a battle he made all gargoyles in Greece and everywhere that he saw turn to stone by day. But when it hit Goliath's mother and father.....somehow they were turned immortal.

Cool idea , huh ?

See ya !

* leaves and glides out giving a Xena war cry *
Soleta <haskett@juno.com>
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 04:55:29 AM
IP: usr7-dialup3.atlanta.mci.net

I want ot know why Delliah is not imunne to the effects of the sun? after all she is a gargoyle humen hybrid? Shouldn't she be up and about at sunrise with Talon and the rest of the mutates?
Felicia Smith <2funk@spynet.com>
Chicago, Illinois United States of America
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 04:31:44 AM
IP: orend.ped.ehc.com

Hi, it's me again. I was just wondering about Goliaths parents. I think it would be really cool if we had a chance to see them, and let Goliath get to know them. I think it would be even better to have them whisked into the future and revealed to him. I would love to see them, because I have been curious about them for the longest time.. I was also wondering if you would do a picture of them just to let us see what they look like. Did you allready have something like that in mind? If not it would be cool!
I was also wondering if you have any intentions of bringing Thailog back into the story. He was my favorite villian and I was also wanting to know if he will one day turn good or something? And... ( too many questions, but you're the only ones doing something about the gargoyles, so.... ), will you have Goliath and Elisa find a way to have children? I know that in the response page for Greg, he was saying something along the lines of Goliath and Elisa coming to a decision of some kind of matrimony, and they would some how have children. Will you guys put that in, or is is too.. I don't know, messy? Either way I think it would be sweet for them. Anyway I think that's all for now. Thanks.
Shauntell <kholm@aol.com >
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 02:18:21 AM
IP: ww-ta04.proxy.aol.com

HI! On the banshee thing- I think that Banshee, as Molly, really cared for Rory. I sort of got the impression that they had been best friends or something of that nature since they were both little,and that Banshee didn't want for ROry to remember. Well, just saw that conversation and decided to post. Oh Well. See You!
Adrienne. <holmes5@lcsipdp.littonlcs.com>
Woodland Hilld (L.A.) , California. U.S.A.
Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 12:25:56 AM
IP: www.littonlcs.com

(Doug sticks his head in the door, breathes a sigh of relief at seeing no dragons present, then walks in)
Mandi: Hmm, that idea you have about the Banshee joining Maeve's side and then having mixed feelings about Maeve's trying to take action against Rory sounds intriguing. I would like to see it in an ep. Maybe Molly and Rory will get together again, even. Hehehe. We already know one Unseelie has mixed feelings about the whole mess of them being bad guys (Umbriel). It would be good to see more.
On another note, I don't think Oberon knows about the Archmage-Sisters alliance, there was no reference to him knowing in the original series. And, yeah, he might be able to forgive them for it if he did know. Besides, in my mind, they're still a vengeful trio of witches. Sure they might not defy Oberon because they were worried about him, but in every ep they've previously been in, the Sisters have been trying to manipulate people to do their own ends. Even in "Ill Met by Moonlight," they were trying to get Oberon and Titania to kick the Avalon Clan out, thus getting their revenge on the Magus even though he was dead. At least it seemed that way to me. I also think the Sisters don't like being under Oberon that much, maybe they enjoyed it more when Avalon was their domain alone. And they don't seem to see humans or gargoyles as anything but tools to be subjugated. Just like Madoc. So, yeah, I can see them joining up. Perhaps all the brown-nosing the Sisters are doing is just to keep Oberon's favor so they can later manipulate him into doing something for them again. When he sees through the manipulation, as he well might, or they tire of toying with him (like they ever could), they'll switch sides and join Madoc. That's what I think might happen at least. Y'all's thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Where did the TGS staff get the name Madoc Morfyn anyway? I haven't been able to find any references to it in Celtic or Gaelic myth websites and that's what it sounds like it's from. Oh well, see
y'all later.
(Doug checks the street for dragons, sighs in relief, then walks out)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 10:40:17 PM
IP: hd15-001.hil.compuserve.com

Have the Weird Sisters *really* defied Oberon? We've no evidence that he knows for certain about their alliance with the Archmage, and even if he did know of it, he might have seen it as a "desperate measures" affair to rid Avalon of the human trespassers that he himself objected to. Oberon doesn't really seem to pay that much attention to what his Children are doing, unless it involves direct disobedience to his express will.
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 10:07:47 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-78.primary.net

Doug: The Banshee defecting is plausible, unless time with that muzzle actually taught her humility instead of fanning her hatred for Oberon. I don39;t know how long Oberon intended to keep that muzzle on her, but it would certainly give her time to think things over. The Weird Sisters, I think, might be a different matter. They've already tried defying Oberon, which didn't necessarily go as planned. Considering they spent a lot of time afterwards brown-nosing like mad, they might think twice before trying abject mutiny again, even with Maeve and Madoc at full power. I don't know.

Amber: I was thinking that if the Banshee's punishment was over a long period of time, she would have no choice but to think about what she had done, and unless she otherwise got even angrier with Oberon and Cu Chullain, she might actually regret losing Rory and her excuse to take a human guise. Seems that Oberon's children in general, not just the tricksters, seem to take a pleasure in play-acting.

Cassandra: That's quite true, but she also had to stifle his curiosity and desire to find out the truth. From the little bit we saw of Molly, she seemed more spontaneous and adventurous, and more likely to spark those qualities than quash them.

I'm not saying with the Banshee/Molly dilemma that we should ever see Molly again. Far from it; but if the Banshee does decide to switch sides and join Maeve, she might have mixed feelings should Maeve try to get revenge on Cu Chullain with her full power restored.

All right. I promise I will try to broach a topic that doesn't involve that ep next time. Really. I mean it this time. Yeah. :)
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 08:24:05 PM
IP: p1-21.netgsi.com

Ooh... Just _had_ to reply to Mandi's schpiel. ^_~

I'm thinking that Banshee had never thought that Rory would 'remember' that he was Chu Chullain. She _did_ seemed to be a bit conceited, afterall... (*blink* Um, at least, _I_ think she did. ;) Because of that, she probably thought that Chu Chullain would've been an easy oponent even if Rory _did_ remember. ...Or something. I'm half asleep right now... o_O
Amber
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 08:08:31 PM
IP: 207.245.210.38

CASSANDRA - No, actually, Garlon was based on the invisible guy in "Generations", but in a very roundabout sort of way. The two are not actually the same person - Garlon is just based on him the way that the ColdTrio were based on Shakespeare's Othello, Desdemona, and Iago. Garlon himself, as we did him, is our own invention.
Todd
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 06:39:05 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-78.primary.net

help, I know its been awhile but......
where did Station 8 go?!!!!
none of my links are working!!!!!
LikeShine <Nuka311@aol.com>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 05:55:14 PM
IP: spider-wc034.proxy.aol.com

(A huge green dragon walks in, starts asking people if they've seen Doug. A tall man in dark clothing wearing one of those phony mustache-glasses-big nose jobs approaches him, and says Doug went off to Bombay on vacation. The dragon thanks him and leaves. Doug takes off the glasses and snickers as soon it's gone about how stupid some dragons are)
Phew! That was close! Here's how I think part of the second season might go: How about some of Oberon's fay go over to Madoc's side? I know the Banshee has good reason to, and probably the Weird Sisters as well. Then all the bad fay can be on the same team! It's certainly a plausible idea, eh?
(Doug puts back on his disguise and walks out nonchalantly)
Doug Elder <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 04:25:50 PM
IP: hd34-092.hil.compuserve.com

Howdy !

Well I didn't know what you have to get a number. Oh , well. Anyway there comment with the green gargoyle with glasses on....are you the artist of these pictures ? Or are you just saying "I got..." that kind of thing.
Just asking.
Anyway do you guys know where there's a artist around that draws for free ? Because I'm making a Amine(sp) website of Sailor Moon and I can't draw that well.
If you can .....please help !
E-mail address is on too.
Soleta <shantah@juno.com>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 03:56:50 PM
IP: usr3-dialup25.atlanta.mci.net

Mandi Ohlin: Maybe Banshee/Molly couldn't stop Rory's going after he had the vision of the tomb. Predestination or something. But it seems to me everything she did before that point was to keep him confused or encourage him to leave Ireland.

Here's a question that's been bothering me for a while. Where did Capt. Colin Mater come from in Pendragon? He was there from the beginning, friend of Arthur and the London clan, but with no back story. Or maybe he had one and I just missed it.

There was mention of Garlon as being "the invisible man" from the series. Does that mean he was shown (no pun intended) on the televised episodes? Like one of those background faces you see over and over again. (Like Margot and Brenden only with no story).

*Cassandra jumps over the pile of people who had jumped into the room before her, sinks her talons into the wall, and climbs out of sight.*
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Lousisiana USA
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 02:43:34 PM
IP: 192.102.223.166

Mandi> I counted them as 1. Umm...does this mean I can be six and nine? I'll stick with 6.
I like your idea about seperate personalities. Would make good fanfic fodder. I have enough on my plate, or I'd explore it.
TGS staff> How about it? Are Puck and Owen separate ppl?
Wavelength
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 02:34:31 PM
IP: unit12a.miseri.edu

Weeelll....I guess I'm number eight! If you count Wavelength's two posts as one...oh, thanks, now I'm all confused!

Anyway, thanks to my obsession with "The Tain" (Stop laughing, Jen, I know you're gonna read this!) I went and taped "The Hound of Ulster" to watch again, and something made me wonder: Why on earth would the Banshee be so foolish as to just let Rory go to Cu Chullain's tomb, although she did come along too as Molly? Is it because she was itching for a fight, or did "Molly" actually start to develop some feelings for Rory?

Numerous fanfics have postulated that the identities that the Fae adopt, if worn long enough, are more than guises, but develop into separate personalities of their own. The Owen/Puck scenario is frequently treated in such a way that Owen and Puck are not precisely the same person, but two different personalities, Owen having become more than just a disguise in the amount of time Puck posed in mortal form.

Now take into consideration the Banshee's similar means of deception. True, she pretended to be Molly in order to keep an eye on her old enemy, but from Rory and his father's reactions to her, it seems that Molly was in Rory's life for quite a while. If Molly developed in much the same way as Owen has appeared to, would she perhaps have a few regrets about Rory that might have been transferred to the Banshee?

Note: I said regrets, nothing else. I really have nowhere to take this thought, it just popped into my head.

Still working on the mess that "Relatively Speaking" has become,

Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 02:07:40 PM
IP: 131.92.167.42

FIRE STORM-- Your best bet is to get the white pages and find a Disney phone number there. Either that or ask the Disney Store if they have the number with them. Otherwise, I have no other idea
DumlaoX <dumlaox@ucla.edu>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 02:06:23 PM
IP: clsa-mac-11.clicc.ucla.edu

Yeah! Seven's my lucky #!!! :)
AotN
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 01:43:32 PM
IP: akron-157-13.sssnet.com

Wanted to be five, but now I'm SIX!
Wavelength
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 01:22:51 PM
IP: unit12a.miseri.edu

Ed, you took my spot.
Wavelength
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 01:21:52 PM
IP: unit12a.miseri.edu

Mustgrabplace..
ED
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 10:15:24 AM
IP: p25-dowither-gui.tch.virgin.net

Four> Your might start checking with your used record dealers for a copy of the Dark Crystal soundtrack. But, I'll keep my eyes open. Starsinger
Theresa <Starsinger@Webtv.net>
Monday, June 15, 1998 at 02:27:24 AM
IP: proxy-145.iap.bryant.webtv.net

third...
T. Robert Townsend
Sunday, June 14, 1998 at 11:53:25 PM
IP: ww-tb01.proxy.aol.com

TGS Staff: Do you know how I can contact the Disney distrubution lawyers? I want to make the copies I want to sell of Gargoyles nice and legal.

Hey Gargoyles fans in Great Britan! Can you please look at local used record stores for a copy of "The Dark Crystal" soundtrack? I know it is a long shot, but it is my best bet for finding a copy. Thanks.
Fire Storm <jeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Sunday, June 14, 1998 at 11:52:00 PM
IP: 200-73-221.ipt.aol.com

****Laudre runs in.****

For the second week running...

FIRST!

****Laudre runs out.****
Laudre <laudre@null.net>
Sunday, June 14, 1998 at 11:49:56 PM
IP: p02-48.stamford.dialin.ntplx.com