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(Doug dashes in, slamming the door behind him. He runs over and grabs a bench and blocks the door with it. He follows with a couch, a chair, and several other pieces of furniture. He groans as the noise of heavy hammers banging on the door from outside begins to start up.)
Great, Kenny is dead...again. And thanks to three kids who were a lot tougher than I thought and me leaving my bullets in my other jacket, I almost got killed, too! I still may, if they break the door down. Just gotta say this real fast.
Coyote: Read Lisa's latest post for my feelings on your comment about people who go garg having to give up their families. I think we're of one mind on that issue. Personally, I find it neater and more interesting and exciting to be involved with a garg than a human. She's also excellent in a fight, I really could use her right now. (The door shudders but holds under the Quarry-kids' blows.) I think her state of mental health has also improved since Lisa underwent the Sevarius half-gargoyle treatment (In Our Imaginations), and that's a good thing. Please think your posts through before you go making rash statements like that. Not everyone will have to or want to give up their families and old lives if they go garg. And, like Lisa said, if they don't love and support you no matter what you are, they don't deserve to be called your family and friends.
Jackal: You, the Punisher, and Seth Figaro from my stories seem to have the same sense of justice. Get together and go bowling! (To paraphrase The Breakfast Club, another one of my favorite films.)
My Fourth: It was stupendous! Barbecue is always something I've excelled at making and love to eat. And the fireworks were awesome, too. (breaks into song) I live here in America, happy to be in America. Everything's free in America, for a small fee in America. Life can be bright in America, if you vote, you work, and you fight in America. I have great friends in America, wonderful place this America. Happy to be in America, most everyone lives free and brave in America.... (stops singing) Sigh, I love that West Side Story tune, don't y'all? Oh well, that's all I have to say for now.
(Groans as the Quarry-kids continue their banging. "Hmm," Doug thinks, "how am I going to get rid of them so I can go home safely?" Then he spies a familiar red-haired figure in the crowd and smiles. "Oh, Demona...")
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 10:35:11 PM
IP: hd20-057.hil.compuserve.com

(Lisa ducks her head back in real fast.)
Did I say Coyote's dad made sure I could retract my claws? I meant Sevarius Jr.'s dad!! Sorry!!
Oh, and about my mom, she would tip off the tabloids about me. In case anyone didn't guess that from the last post...
(Lisa rushes back out, trying to catch her limosuine. "Wait, I've got your tip!!")
Lisa
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 10:16:21 PM
IP: hd30-008.hil.compuserve.com

(A black limo pulls up, the driver smiling as he comes to a stop. Lisa gets out and waves to everybody.)
This time I traveled here in style!!
My Fourth: Excellent, great fireworks, wonderful symphony and street magic tricks, and no one can ever say Doug, Jim, and Keith can't make good barbecue (Shap's leaves much to be desired, but that's not important). Still happy to be in America and glad it's here despite all the bad stuff. Happy Birthday, USA!!
Jackal: May I suggest you call (number deleted) as soon as you can? That's my personal shrink's number, and judging by your last post, you sound like you need his help. He does do phone consultations for a small fee. Maybe Pete can cure your obvious mental problems.
Sevarius Jr.: My Goddess, what am I going to do with you? Oh well, you made me laugh. I suppose I can forgive you for the insult. Especially since you haven't seen me. Judging by what I've seen of your dad's other creations, I'm one of the few pretty ones there are (Maggie Reed and Sharon Nimura other exceptions, Talon, Fang, and Claw the only handsome ones). I hate to think of the childhood you must have had with Dr. Anton for a father. He's so brilliant, that's good, but so...weird. And your Uncle Gustave? Even worse in some ways. You ever need someone to talk to about your problems, send me an e-mail. I'm happy to discuss genetic and psychological pains. I am going into the psychiactric field eventually, you know. I could help you with your problems if you need help, free of charge. (Sorry I can't help you, Jackal. Your state of mind sounds a bit too complicated for one of my limited experience.)
Coyote: **We aren't really thinking about how much a transformation like this would affect not only us, but those around us. Imagine trying to tell your loved ones you'd just voluntarily turned into a gargoyle, and you couldn't come home again. Could you picture it, having to leave parents, siblings and spouses behind because of your choice, one they probably would not make voluntarily. Although the gargoyle life appeals to my senses of justice and excitement, I doubt I'd be able to go through with it.**
Too bad you wouldn't be able to go through with the change, Coyote. It's cool being half-gargoyle! And on your fears, I think you're overreacting just a bit. Read "Dear Diary" again, weren't Aiden's folks happy for her getting what she wanted? And look at Elisa. She's dating a gargoyle, and in some universes even married to one. Her family's taking it well. Ditto with Derek. Sharon I don't know about yet, can't say. I think the main problems with the changes the changers are having are with their own mental states, being able to cope with the change themselves. Sure there are isolated cases of parents getting really mad about their kids changing, like Maggie's mother, but I say those parents never really loved their kid anyway, just the ideal they wanted their kid to be. And when they couldn't get it, they went nuts. And now Maggie is dealing with what she is very well. Also, why would changing into a gargoyle or anything else mean you'd have to leave your family and friends behind? Derek didn't do it, nor did Aiden, and I'm sure Sharon would not either if given the choice. Same for anyone out there who wants to make the transition. When I became a half-garg, nobody who loved me had a problem with it. My dad just shrugged and said, "Your life, honey. Whatever you want." My mom, well, let's just say my new look has made her a very rich woman because I had to put several tabloid photographers in the hospital (cracks her knuckles and grins evilly). I'll forgive her, though. She's done enough for me in the past. My twin sister Stephanie thinks I look cool and is glad there's finally some way to tell us apart at first glance without us wearing different clothes, hairstyles, etc. My big brother Ray, who's always been a big Gargs fan, is very proud and happy to have one for a sister. My friends think the new look is fantastic and groovy, and are glad to have such a neat friend. Doug loves it, I love it. People on the street are startled by the wings when I unfurl them, but they seem to quickly get over it. I usually cape them and I look human enough to pass for it if I tuck in my tail and retract my claws (your dad made sure I could do both). No problems from anyone about my new look, in fact, except for a few idiot punks and my boss at work. But I think my boss got over it after I rescued that guy who fell off the ladder in the stockroom and now that I don't need the ladder back there myself. And then I scared off those armed thugs who tried to rob the store just by baring myself in all my half-gargoyle-glory. That was great!! (I work at an Albertsons grocery store.) I think he likes having a half-garg on the staff now. And my co-workers are either cool with it or jealous. As for the punks, well let's just say the cops are grateful I helped take them off the streets (cracks her knuckles and grins evilly again)! I don't know why you think people who go garg, hlaf-garg, or whatever have to abandon their old lives and families. I didn't, nor do I intend to. Since I went half-garg, my life has only gotten better and more exciting. I don't know, though, maybe I've just been lucky. Maybe other people do need to consider the psychological implications and consequences of making the transition from human to half-gargoyle. I did before I changed, and still faced my fears and became what I am today. So far, nothing's gone wrong that I haven't expected, and most of it's gone right. Hope everyone else out there who decides to go garg, half-garg, mutate, or whatever experiences the same. (Of course, IRL I am still a human, not a half-garg, this is all in my imagination. But, hey, it could happen. And the friends/family responses are true, I know 'cause I asked them what they'd think if I really could and did go half-garg. That's what they said!) Don't give up hope, Coyote. No matter what you are, your family and friends will still be there for you. If not, they don't deserve to be called friends or family. Hope this lifts everyone's spirits about how some people can actually get through the change!
Later all!!
(Lisa roars and flaps her wings, startling everyone in the room. She turns to get back in her limo, only to find it pulling away, the driver screaming in terror. "Hey!!" she shouts, chasing after it out the room door. "You have nothing to worry about! I'm a good gargoyle!!")
Lisa <dierdre34@yahoo,com>
Austin, Texas USA
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 10:10:05 PM
IP: hd30-008.hil.compuserve.com

Hey Firestorm, this is Nerd Central reporting in. I don't know about anyone combining animal and human DNA (cept my pop), but I have heard that some scientists have successfully grown human brain cells on computer chips. Who knows, maybe we'll see cyborgs like Jackal and Hyena before we see any honest to God mutates. Just thought I'd add that little tidbit. Oh well, back to the basement of the science building...
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 09:58:39 PM
IP: client-151-200-125-230.bellatlantic.net

Two weeks ago some of you were talking about Graeme and Ariana, where they were when they were still eggs. Maybe brooklyn and Sata put there eggs in the future. Ishimuria clans rookery because the twins hatch in the year 2158. Or maybe Brooklyn and Sata take there with them on there timetravelling adventurs, but we will find out next season. Maybe Sata will lay the eggs, next season hopefully she will.
Lawrence Stone <st1@brightnet>
Chillicothe, Ohio Ross
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 09:40:56 PM
IP: chil-ras2-2-cs-18.dial.bright.net

Coyote, let me see, let me thinnk here..
OK. From a reasonable point of view, I probably... WOULD! Would. That's a dumb word. Anyway, If my mate can br a gargoyle too, then Yeah! What's the point of being a gargoyle if you can't have gargoyle sex??? Huh? To heck with protecting humanity!! WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR US?!!! Ahem, excuse me. Oh, and the revenge I could get!
"Hey you remember when you told that lie 4 years ago?!!"
"Huh?"
"Oh yeah, I remember. And now you will pay!!"
Then start flying in the air, holding the human..
"Why you wanna tell lies?!"
"HUH?!"
"Opps, I've dropped you 650 feet to your untimely death. Oh well, next time I'll remember to hold on more tightly. Then again.. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET!!"
Excuse me again.., I'm.........., uh, fine, I'm ok. Great.
And I know what you're thinking .. What about my kids (as far as being gargoyles)?
Well, that would have to be there desicion, and I don't thatink a 4 year old and a 4 monthold can make that choice..., OH well.
"My mommy and daddy are gargoyles!!" I can see it now!!!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 08:47:36 PM
IP: ww-tr06.proxy.aol.com

**Coyote drives in in the Cadillac again. A portly black man in a chef's cap climbs out the passenger door, slapping hands with Coyote before he exits, saying "Thanks for the lift, children." Coyote climbs out himself.**
What can I say? The guy asked for a lift, his station wagon broke down.

Christine: I didn't put this in the message I sent you last night, but before I wrote that I had just read "Dear Diary." I think it probably applies to this whole conversation about changing species (as those who've read it will probably agree.).

We aren't really thinking about how much a transformation like this would affect not only us, but those around us. Imagine trying to tell your loved ones you'd just voluntarily turned into a gargoyle, and you couldn't come home again. Could you picture it, having to leave parents, siblings and spouses behind because of your choice, one they probably would not make voluntarily. Although the gargoyle life appeals to my senses of justice and excitement, I doubt I'd be able to go through with it.

That's just MPO. How does everybody else feel about this?

**Coyote revs the engine once, then it dies. He climbs out, muttering to himself and carrying a screwdriver.**

Carry on, folks. I've just got to fool around with my carburetor for a sec here ...

Coyote the Bando <1134@i-is.com>
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 07:40:50 PM
IP: modem107.net-ex.com

Hey, Christine. I just read "Confession"...., I had to have some Tequila for that! Read one line *sip* read another line *sip* and another *GULP*. Jesss, you're story does make since though, I alwayz kinda thought Brooklyn hated Demona a little too much, there seemed like there was a understory there.., and I'd say you got it!!
Jackal <Jackal1127@hotmail.com>
Ga Usa
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 06:33:33 PM
IP: spider-tl031.proxy.aol.com

Well, If I was going to change into a Gargoyle, I would probally be about 25% fae, 75% Gargoyle, with a dash of chameleon for flavor. I would have the general body design of Goliath, but a little shorter (About 6'6"-7'), usually forest green skin with deep green, almost black wings (Usually, beacuse I have a little chameleon, I can change my color) 3 finger talonms plus thumb, STRONG ankles (Instead of these biological human pieces of...), fit with a little bit of mussle. My tail would end like Draco from Dragonheart, and beacuse of the Fae in me, I know magic. At sunrise, I can either turn into stone (to sleep or heal) or if I am awake enough, do a Demona and turn into a 75% fae, 25% human.

Does anyone know if there are any scientists IRL trying to combine human and animal genes like Anton Sevarius? I know there are doctors combining 2 animals together, but I wonder how advanced the research is? I mean, can they combine bat and hamster DNA to make a hamster with wings? If so, can he fix me? <G>
Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 04:44:54 PM
IP: 168-79-75.ipt.aol.com

(Doug and Kenny walk in, both smiling. Kenny advances to the center of the room, bows, and says, "Thanks to the Gargoyles for protecting us all so well!!" Several voices in the crowd shout back, "You're welcome. Don't mention it. Just doing our job!" Kenny smiles wider and walks out. Doug walks forward.)
Good, glad he's learned his lesson. Now to say this:
Sevarius Jr: ** Hey Doug, please take no offense. I myself have several family members that are,ahem, shall we say, less than human...(the sad thing is, I'm not making that up.) "Abominations" may be too strong a word. I've never seen your friend Lisa, but I'm sure she's a lovely young lady....uh, I mean woman...um...lovely young...thing? No she might get offended...Well, whatever she is, I'm sure she's very beautiful. Besides, like my good ol' pop likes to say, beauty is on the inside. Of course, that's usually after he mutates one of my dates. It's gets kinda hard to be lucky in love when your sweetheart has a third eye. **
Ha Ha Ha!!! You are so funny, man!! Did I say I was gonna take offense at you? No, I didn't. I said Lisa might, but now she ain't cause you made her laugh. Congratulations, man. And, you can call her lovely young woman, girl, lady, or thing. Abomination is too strong a word, thing isn't. After all, we are all things. In fact, you can call Lisa anything, just as long as it's not an insult. She sometimes gets cranky at insults (looks around nervously and breathes a sigh of relief). Sorry about all your relatives and dates being mutated. If you want to try curing them, call the Goldblum Hotline at 1-888-GENE-FIX. Lisa doesn't want to use the number, she's happy the way she is, but I'm sure one of your dates might want to call Dr. G. And you're right, she is very beautiful, no matter what her form. Inside and out. Thanks for the apology.
(Doug looks out the window and sees Kenny being approached by an angry-looking Kyle, Stan, and Cartman, who are pulling out hammers, donning Quarryman hoods, and calling him a demon-lover. Doug groans.)
Er, excuse me now. I have to go rescue a friend of mine. Bye all!!
(Doug rushes out to save Kenny, .45 out and ready to fire!!)
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 04:00:06 PM
IP: hd46-024.hil.compuserve.com

Hey Doug, please take no offense. I myself have several family members that are,ahem, shall we say, less than human...(the sad thing is, I'm not making that up.) "Abominations" may be too strong a word. I've never seen your friend Lisa, but I'm sure she's a lovely young lady....uh, I mean woman...um...lovely young...thing? No she might get offended...Well, whatever she is, I'm sure she's very beautiful. Besides, like my good ol' pop likes to say, beauty is on the inside. Of course, that's usually after he mutates one of my dates. It's gets kinda hard to be lucky in love when your sweetheart has a third eye.

Oh well. This is Sleepless in Seattle signing off.
Sevarius Jr.
Seattle, Washington USA
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 03:29:55 PM
IP: client-151-200-127-72.bellatlantic.net

*There is a strange, far-off whining sound. Suddenly, the MTA Light Rail smashes through the wall, slows and opens its doors long enough for Mandi to come tumbling out before it speeds off again, crashing through the other wall.*

*getting up* Hey! New stop, my #*$&%!!! Oh, well, I still think it's better than trying to park in Baltimore for the Fourth.... *scrolls waaaaayyy down to catch up*

Doug: Hey, there are people who read my stuff!! Thank you! I thought it was spelled "oohmox" though. Hmmmm....

Christine: Does this mean I went to Barnes and Noble four times and was asking for the wrong book title? Aarrghh! :)

Sevarius Jr: Hehehehe.....why does that explanation of MJ just seem to fit?

Would I like to be a garg? Yeah, if I could change back and forth. With my low attention span, the novelty would wear off and the whining would begin pretty quickly. Although I'd have loved to have swooped down on the playoffs last year and messed with the outcome. Forget that kid knocking the ball into the stands, can you imagine the uproar if a gargoyle swooped down and caught it instead? The Quarrymen would lead a mob in Baltimore....

Oooohhh...bad idea, actually. Although it might increase the Manhattan clan's popularity. (I'm talking about the uproar about the Orioles/Yankees playoff game, FYI.)

I'm not going to touch the erogenous zones debate...I'd just leave it to the imagination. *evil grin*

Hope everyone had a great time on the Fourth!!

*A Volkswagen Jetta drives into the gaping hole the MTA left and honks the horn. "Hurry? Why are you yelling at me to hurry? You two pushed me out, you schmucks?" Mandi gets in the car anyway so she doesn't have to walk home.*
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 12:16:50 PM
IP: p1-18.netgsi.com

92 days until the Rising (correct countdown this time).

Okay, I guess that I missed a few regulars and semi-regulars. Sorry about that.
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 07:57:07 AM
IP: pn9-ppp-205.primary.net

Firestorm> If you have someone you and your lady could bunk with, that person could rent two rooms.
The age thing is because if someone is underage and
trashed the room the hotel has no way of collecting
damages. Out here it's 18. When I was working hotel
night shift, I had many a party to break up and most
of those were "responsible" adults. (Lets just say there was one very unhappy marine group when my boss
got through with their CO).
So, if you can get over the fact that your "underage"
and get a friend to be responsible for the room, you
would in all likelyhood have a most enjoyable time. I
know I did on many of my cons.
Starsinger
Theresa <Starsinger@Webtv.net>
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 07:16:44 AM
IP: proxy-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net

<<..Makes me wonder if the decision was made more to piss Demona off or because of a genetic predisposition.>>
I'm leaning towards- just to piss Demona off...
<<I mean, the feel of her soft leathery wings between my talons... hearing the little purr/growl's... entwining our tails...>>
Excuse me everybody but..., OH MY GOD!!! YES!!! Oh man, there is NO describtion! But I can feel it, I can't explain it, but I can feel it. Let's see here, of course I would wanna be a gargoyle, maybe a light blue, kinda a green color, or somethin, maybe with a beak like Brooklyn, I'd be slender, as I am now..... if I was a gargoyle.., oh, oh yeah. But I would have talons...., naw.., I'd have a tail, nevermind! I mean, there would be SO many different and new wayz to express your love! Eww, I just wanna break something! (Must be some kinda primal urge, or something).
<<Jackal: Okay, agree with you on why Demona's sexy. I like her attitude, too. Just as long as none of the rage is directed at me or anyone I care about..>>
As long as you don't care about Elisa, I think it's gonna be just fine. :)
So how was everyone's fourth?? Mine was great. We had a little show here in town, it was ok.., Not quite "Nuclear" though. I got to burn food! And blow up toy cars! I even had the pleasure of setting a small part of the lawn on fire! Then me and my dad "had a few", we (my love and I), left the kids with the grandparents..., and with all this talk of gargoyle "intimacy" I don't think the night's over yet..
Anywayz, thanks to those of you who told me your ages, I'll try my best to remember this time.
Jackal <Jackal1127@hotmail.com>
Ga Usa
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 02:44:05 AM
IP: ww-tf06.proxy.aol.com

(A little kid in an orange rain slicker walks in, whistling to himself. Suddenly the Ultra-Pack leap out of the crowd, hack him to pieces, and run off laughing maniacally. Doug walks in as they rush out and drops his jaw at the carnage they left in their wake.)
Oh my God, they killed Kenny!! You bastards!!! Oh well, here's what I have to say this time:
Age: I'm 19, so's Lisa. Hope you remember this time, Jackal.
Christine: Okay, found your new site. Looks better than the old one. I'll look there for stories from now on. Oh, and too bad the title of your book had to be changed. I liked "Starlight and Shadow" better. Oh well, since it's you, I know the book will be just as good! If a book tour ever takes you to Austin, let me know. I'll come look you up.
Todd: C'mon, surely we have more non-TGSers in here than that.
Lady Mystic: This passage from one of your comments give you any idea where I got the idea you and Firestorm were close?
** Erogenous Zones> Yeah, well (let me just say it the VERY editted way) I can find any body-part pleasing in many ways. I find myself brushing the back of my hand and my fingers across Fire Storm's eyebrows (eye-ridges). When we embrace, I also
imagine that we have wings and envelope each other with them. Sometimes I actually feel my wings around his and his around
me. And what's more pleasing, sometimes I even feel our tales entwined! The part about him rubbing my shoulder blades
where my wings would meet my back (if I had wings in reality) has always pleased me, but just recently finding out that his new and main reason for doing so is because of the erogenous gargoyle zone pleases me even more. Ahh, isn't life great since
Gargoyles came around! Gargoyles was one of mine and Fire Storm's first major similar interests. **
That's what gave me the idea. Congrats, it sounds like you two are very happy together.
Jackal: Okay, agree with you on why Demona's sexy. I like her attitude, too. Just as long as none of the rage is directed at me or anyone I care about...
Sevarius Jr.: You calling my girlfriend an abomination? Better watch it, mister! Her temper is quite short when it comes to her appearance sometimes. I'm willing to respect your opinions, as I know they're untrue, but Lisa may not be. There is a reason we call her the Violent Dem. Oh well, you've been warned. Hope you take that comment back before she gets angry.
Firestorm: No, I didn't really want to see you angry. You don't have to show me. Oh, and don't be sorry about having to miss the Gathering. You're not the only one. (Boss pays me so much less than I deserve and now the Republicans want to take away our minimum wage, among other crazy things. They won't get my vote this upcoming election (unless their candidate is someone with more sense than the party at large)!!) Lisa and I will be missing out, too. Oh well, maybe next year.
See y'all later!!
(Doug turns to leave and is startled to see Kenny getting up and putting himself back together. "I die in every episode, remember?" the kid reminds him. "Guess this is what I get for being a closet Gargs-fan." Doug shakes his head and walks out with Kenny, saying, "Kid, let me teach you the way it really is with the Gargs, 'kay?")
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Sunday, July 05, 1998 at 12:24:17 AM
IP: ad46-190.arl.compuserve.com

*walks in* This is something I would just like to say to the TGS staff: I completely love how you developed the relationship between Angela and her mother. Demona was able to look at her relationship with her daughter and stop her fighting with the clan. I thought that this was a very touching thing to see. :) I can hardly wait for the new season!!!!!! OK, that's all. Bye!

*walks out*
Mary Flanders
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 11:54:40 PM
IP: reqf-073.ucdavis.edu

Todd>> I have been lurking here for some time, but I don't usually post. Its just a matter of time. I work 40-60 hrs a week and go to school full time. I am 21 years old. I wonder who else is lurking but not posting? Lets all just post at least once so todd can get a head count on tgs readers. Good idea-Bad idea?
Goliath <jdogg@aol.com>
Pinole, C.A. U.S.A.
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 11:13:07 PM
IP: ppp-asfm05--052.sirius.net

*Angel pops in, holding a copy of "Great Expectations" and a cup of Lipton tea.*
As you can see, I'm a real party animal. *smirks* I even skipped fireworks this year.

Boys, on the issue of physically wanting to be a gargoyle in RL, I not only crave the wings and tail, but four-fingered taloned hands and oversized feet. Have you ever thought, too, that a gargoyle would probably think humans are so freaking ugly? I mean, compared to them, we have an excessive amount of fingers and toes, which are short and stubby to boot. *sigh* I suddenly feel outlandish. However, please note, gentlemen, that I am not going into details of what I would do with these different apendages, if I possessed them. *clears her throat and smirks*

Todd> That's not true, there are alot of people here.

Cassandra> I could be wrong, but I always thought that thing over Fox's eye was a tattoo. *shrugs*

Lady Mystic> You don't sound mean. I talk like that, too, sometimes. *smiles*

Sevarius Jr.> Yes, IF she wanted her to suffer first... *holds back that insane laugh...this time*

Happy Fourth! Party Down, America!!
*Angel finishes off her tea and closes her book. She reaches into her haversack, pulls out a little American flag, and waves it around in little circles as she exits.*

AotN
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 10:48:31 PM
IP: dialup-103-30.sssnet.com

Jackal, if words could only describe the feeling of the wings and tail, right?
I swear, if I could write the feelings that have for that and the way it feels, I probally wouldn't be able to publish it without doing a age check! <G>

I mean, the feel of her soft leathery wings between my talons... hearing the little purr/growl's... entwining our tails...

Ok, ok.. I guess my mind has gone a little wild after reading the two Christine's (Morgan and Hayden). I CAN'T HELP MY SELF!
Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 09:47:18 PM
IP: 172-121-57.ipt.aol.com

Doug > whoops, you may be a bit behind the times! Starlight and Shadow's title has been changed to Curse of the Shadow Beasts after my publisher suggested we go with something that "sounded a little more fantasy." Also, my two latest stories, "Hotwire" and "Dear Diary," are on my updated and remodeled site, not the old one with the dark blue castle background. Click on my name to visit the new site.

TGS question > I just got an e-mail asking me how much of TGC is incorportated into TGS. It's just the first one, The Journey, right?

Ears lookin' at you > and did I ever laugh when I first learned about Ferengi sex! It made perfect sense to me!

Christine <vecna@eskimo.com>
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 09:13:53 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

**Coyote, rather than walking in as usual, drives his Cadillac into the room, jumping out with horn in hand.**
Sorry ... bad mosquitoes around here ...

Fire Storm: Harsen's Island? Very interesting, though I myself don't treasure the thought of living there and carrying my own water over (call me spoiled.). I'm sure you know we have the Pickerel Tournament going on around here, meaning utter bedlam. (not coming close to your nuclear fireworks, but probably as noisy.)
Oh, and don't feel bad about not going to the Gathering. I wanna go too, but I can't afford it. However, I've made it my goal to drive this car **points at the '79 Caddy he drove into the room** through Canada and to New York for _next_ year's Gathering.

Doug: Thanks for the upgrade.

Todd: I'm not a TGS'er, what about me? (Okay, I'm not a regular poster either, but that's mainly because of the stupid machine I'm using.)

Age: I'm 22.

Different species appearance: I'd probably be a garg: I dig that way of life. I'd be a light green garg, probably built kind of like Broadway (slightly slimmer), with a coyote's head. (Please note; the only reason why I choose Coyote as my pic is because he happens to be available and his name's Coyote.) Give me large wings to glide away ... wow, that's poetic. (Not nearly as ... arousing as Fire Storm's description, but it'll have to do.)

**Coyote jumps into the Caddy, turning the engine over and kicking it into gear, driving it out of the room. A thick cloud of black smoke is left behind where the giant car once was.**
Coyote the Bando <1134@i-is.com>
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 08:47:34 PM
IP: 207.91.254.33

<<To (actually) feel my mate in my wings, to wrap my tail around her ankle and caress her with it... (EEK!) sorry about that. Got a little carried away.>>
If ONLY Gen-u-Tech existed!! My God, the fun..., the fun that COULD be had! Hey! I was gettin carried away in reading that!! And the tail thing!! Man..., I tell you..., NO! Nevermind! Not going there!!
Jackal <Jackal1127@hotmail.com>
Ga Usa
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 08:36:19 PM
IP: spider-tp041.proxy.aol.com

Well! Been gone a few days on vacation, but I'm back now! Anyway, just gotta add my thoughts on some issues...

Bad Girls being Sexy: Totally. Don't believe me, look at comic books today. Lady Death, Vampirella, Barb Wire, Elektra, etc., etc. I'd take them over the "Good girls" any day of the week. Why? Cause bad girls know how to have "fun" (and you know what I mean by that ;-)

Demona vs. Elisa: C'mon, should this really be a debate? Demona has gone head to head with and held her own against Goliath, whose supposed to be one of the best warriors on the planet. And you're trying to tell me that Elisa can kick her ass any time she pleases? Get real. Elisa vs. Demona, Vegas odds: Elisa's a red smear on the wall in 10 seconds. And that's only if Demona wants her to suffer first.

As for Genutech genetic alterations...I talked to my dad about this. He's not to keen on the idea just now. Insurance never pays for creating half-human/half-gargoyle abominations (Damn you Blue Cross & Blue Shield! Damn you straight to hell!) So he's going back to his old job for a while--plastic surgery. (But for the love of God, don't mention M.Jackson. It wasn't his fault. He told Tito to keep the monkey away from the operating table, but did he listen? Noooo....)
Sevarius Jr.
Seatttle, Washington USA
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 08:02:10 PM
IP: client-151-200-120-147.bellatlantic.net

Sorry, it should have been 93 days until the Rising. I must have mistyped the number.

Something I've noticed: there's only a handful of people (Lady Mystic, Jackal, Doug, Cassandra, Firestorm) using the comment room, who aren't TGSers. We really need to start making more people aware of this place.
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 07:05:33 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-49.primary.net

Well gang, it looks like me and my mate will not be able to go to the Gathering. The reason is that I turn 21 one LOUSY month too late (Sept. 13) and there is a local ordinance in NY that prevents people under 21 from getting a room! I know I could always bunk with someone, but I will be DAMNED if I will go to NY with my mate, in the same hotel, WITHOUT parents, and *NOT* be able to sleep alone in the same room! (Doug, you wanted to see me angry? ;)

Get the Gen-U-Tech treatment to change into a gargoyle? If it only existed...

About Cybernetics: I know that they would turn to stone during the day, ala lex, but I was wondering if, say, Demona got implants. Would they alter somehow shen she changes, or would the major skeletal and muscular changes tear them to peices?

Coldstone does not change into stone beacuse he is, in a sense, undead. He is the dead brought to life by magic and science. Those two combined probaly cancel out any effects the sun may have.

Does anyone know if Christe Smith Hayden <sp> Is going to make any more fan-fic related to her own series? I want to find out what happens with Lex and Tina!

Last night, I was rubbing my SO's back, and I started rubbing the base of her 'wings'. I got so into it, I was rubbing up to where the little claws would be if she did have wings! I swear, if Gen-U-Tech was really around...

Coyote, you live in Algonac? Lucky dog! (bad pun!) I used to have a great little cottage up on Harsons Island, right across the channel from you. I miss the water.

As for what breed I would change to... I a debating if I really would. If I did, I would want a little of each race in me, admitadly, more Gargoyle and Fae, less human. But weather I actually would... I don't know. It would be VERY tempting. To (actually) feel my mate in my wings, to wrap my tail around her ankle and caress her with it... (EEK!) sorry about that. Got a little carried away.

Happy Forth of July! Watch the skies of Detroit and the news for the brightest and loudest blast you have EVER seen! (Nuclear!)
Just kidding... I think... I hope... I wonder...
Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 06:54:23 PM
IP: 172-247-148.ipt.aol.com

My $0.02 about the Elisa vs. Demona debate: I always thought it was funny when Thailog decided to make a replacement for Demona with Eliza's looks. Makes me wonder if the decision was made more to piss Demona off or because of a genetic predisposition.
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 06:32:46 PM
IP: pm1-10.net-2000.net

"..She'll find her castle in ASHES.."
Sorry about that, it's just my "mate" knows not to leave me here with the kids alone.., I'm no better than they are!! All other ignorrant statements will not be explained... :)
<<She[Demona]is in reality expressing her anger and determination through her actions. Although, we find it sexy because it reminds us of flirting, the kind that goes on between two people during foreplay...>>
Yeah that maybe true in most cases. As a individual, if find it sexy because, she's not afraid to say, Hey, you pissed me off, you're gonna pay! I really don't know how it explain it, I guess I like a beautiful angry female, but I'm not gonna lie, I'ma voice person, ya know???
<<Ahh, isn't life great since Gargoyles came around!>>
It certainly makes "things" interesting, BUT....., Hey, ummm, what's the age group in here again? My short term memory is crap. Sorry, you don't have to answer if you don't want to.
At last! The fourth of July!! To bad for us in GA it is illegal(or so they say), to have fireworks of our own. Heh, to bad for them our neighboring states of Alabama, Tenn., and South Carolina sell them to us here in GA!! Oh yes! I have just enuf to blow up a 4 bedroom house, much like mine!!! I probably should visit the parents, right? Well, happy 4th everyone in the US!!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga USA
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 01:18:41 PM
IP: spider-wc014.proxy.aol.com

Happy 4th of July everyone!

Doug and Lisa> Thanks for the whole comment! I hope others answer my comments too. <<Great speech on sexiness and erogenous zones, I agree with it wholeheartedly! ~Lisa/ Agree with you on the sexiness debate. ~Doug>> Thanks so much! :D I have just one question: <<Doug: Lady Mystic: Hmm, didn't know you and Firestorm were that close.>> What gave you that idea? Just curious. :)

To anyone and everyone:
Yeah, body-armor, robotics suits, or whatever you fancy calling Xanatos' iron suit, and whatever else that goes along Gargoyles Universe principles could also apply to my question. Oops, meant TGS in the question not s8. Sometimes, not often though, I get the CRs confused.
Lady Mystic <TJSSLSSAS@aol.com>
Dearborn, MI USA
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 01:07:03 PM
IP: 200-49-36.ipt.aol.com

(Doug comes blasting down out of the sky as firework booms echo overhead. Lisa follows, setting off rockets as she glides in.)
Both: Happy July 4th, everybody!! (both bow)
Doug: Lady Mystic: Hmm, didn't know you and Firestorm were that close. Alright, man. (gives her a thumbs-up, Lisa elbows him and he switches it into a hook-em-horns with a grin.) I agree, Robbie has much potential as the Captain of the Guard in Awakenings (finally that guy gets a name as well as a title!) Agree with you on the sexiness debate.
Oohmaks: Thanks for telling me what it was. Not being a Trekkie, I didn't even know it was from Star Trek. Sigh, next time I'll just call Chris about it. He's the Trekkie in this neighborhood.
Lisa: Doug, please. The last time you talked to that guy, you almost went crazy. He is so bizzare. (sighs and rolls her eyes.)
Here's some stuff from me:
Angel: Ok, I thought you were mad about something else. My mistake. Thanks for clearing that up. I still say Elisa would win, but I won't pursue this issue.
Lady Mystic: In case you're curious, the thumbs-up is an Aggie symbol, and the Aggies are jerks with a football team that stinks compared to our university's, enough said. That's why Doug needs to use the Hook-em-Horns symbol instead of that thumbs-up (Doug glares at her) whenever possible. Great speech on sexiness and erogenous zones, I agree with it wholeheartedly! On your question about what I'd like to look like as a gargoyle, well, I've already posted I'd like to resemble Elektra from Christine's fanfics. Same hair color and skin tone, as well as general body shape. But my face is a little more sharp-featured and figure a little more athletic. I also wear blue jeans and a U2 T-shirt (colors vary, today it's green) with it, as opposed to the leather tunics usually worn by gargoyle females. I of course have wings and a tail similar to what the Manhattan gargs have, and my fingers and toes are clawed. Like all gargs, I go barefoot. Other than that, I look just the same as I do in the real world. (Thank you, Dr. Anton!!)
Doug: As for me on that question, well, I don't like messing with my genetic makeup or cybernetics or anything like that. Er, or I do like it, but not on me. Like Xanatos and Dingo, I prefer to have clothes make the man! That's why I wear this jetpack to fly around so damn fast. Combined with this nice red collared T-shirt, a trench coat with many pockets, and blue jeans, I look a lot like Richard does in that pic of him and Angela. Funny, isn't it? I know the character wasn't done with me in mind, but there are so many things we have in common. We both work fast food, both like gargoyles, each have a sibling who's a real nightmare (mine is a little sister), same physical features except for my mustache and chubbiness, etc. But unlike him, I carry a .45 and several kinds of ammo just for self-protection. Silver bullets, iron ones, regular ones, tranqs, dum-dums, APs, even a couple clips of the kind that explode on contact. You wouldn't believe what channels I had to go through to get those last ones. I also have a watch that's also a wrist-comm, glasses with a HUD display in the lenses (all nanotechnology, isn't it wonderful), a metal nightstick for fighting up close, and steel-tipped Nike Airs for extra running and kicking power. Or at least I'd like to have all that, but I don't IRL. Sigh...
Lisa: Come on, Doug, you know the cops would probably arrest you if they saw you walk down the street with all that on. You people hear should also know by now that I have brown hair, generally kept tied in a braided ponytail job like Angela's, only with less pins involved. My hair must comb better. Also, when I travel on the ground, I like to use my blue Kawasaki motorcycle. Holdover from my days with the Angels, I guess. The attitude, not the bike, it's new. Sigh, that was so long ago. Doug is usually on the back or walking when he travels on the ground, though he will borrow Jim's brown Buick '86 Skylark station wagon whenever possible.
Doug: Hey, I have a right to use that car. Who drives it better than Jim does? Who's gotten less tickets? Who's the designated driver every time we go out? Whose apartment lot does Jim get free parking space in cause he's my pal? Me!!
Lisa: (sighs and rolls eyes) Alright, Doug! You can drive the car, too! Enough! Oh well, we have to go. Backyard barbecue to set up for right now, fireworks tonight, see y'all!! (She glides out, Doug turns to follow.)
Oh, one last thing. Coyote, I will give your work a chance, it's now on my "read when you have nothing else to do" list, a few steps up from the "never read" one. I'll get around to it eventually and give you commentary as soon as I do. Who knows, maybe it will even join Christine, Mandi, Christi, and Ryan Stout's writings on the "read as soon as you see it posted" list. See you guys around!!
(Doug blasts off into the night, setting off fireworks as he goes. "Hooray for America!!")
Doug & Lisa <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu/dierdre34@yahoo.com>
Austin, Texas USA
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 08:43:51 AM
IP: hd44-048.hil.compuserve.com

Haven't been here in 3 days, so I got a lot to say. These comments are directed to anyone and everyone.

A week or so ago I read that someone had said that the Captain of the Guard in Dark Ages is the same Captain of the Guard in 994. But I disagree. DA takes place in 971, 23 years before 994. The Captain in 971 is already a middle-aged man, and the Captain in 994 was also a man of similar age. Also, if you use math, the Captain from 971 would be in his sixties in 994 (or possibly seventies if he was in his late forties or early fifties in 971).

I think Robbie is the future Captain of the Guard. He is in his teens or early twenties, which would put him in his forties in 994. Besides, it was also mentioned here that the 971's Captain had certain prejudices towards gargoyles. Robbie, on the other hand, judges them more fairly and already faces prejudice for thinking so from his peers which is a building block for how the 994's Captain turned out. Robbie also shows potential for becoming the 971's Captain's second and/or successor. So, I think Robbie is the Captain in 994, not the present Captain of the Guard.

Erogenous Zones> Yeah, well (let me just say it the VERY editted way) I can find any body-part pleasing in many ways. I find myself brushing the back of my hand and my fingers across Fire Storm's eyebrows (eye-ridges). When we embrace, I also imagine that we have wings and envelope each other with them. Sometimes I actually feel my wings around his and his around me. And what's more pleasing, sometimes I even feel our tales entwined! The part about him rubbing my shoulder blades where my wings would meet my back (if I had wings in reality) has always pleased me, but just recently finding out that his new and main reason for doing so is because of the erogenous gargoyle zone pleases me even more. Ahh, isn't life great since Gargoyles came around! Gargoyles was one of mine and Fire Storm's first major similar interests.


I agree that the media creates false images of what's beautiful and attractive for males and females. TV shows like Buffy always have Sarah Michelle Gellar glammed up, while Alyson Hannigan is "glammed down" to beef up Sarah's role. Even Disney does it. Gargoyles has the female gargoyles with over-exaggerated breast-waist-hip proportions, and the males with musclular physiques. And what about Titania's waist? Poccahantas' figure and clothes? Belle's? Ariel's? I have been a Disney fan my whole life. Disney's a part of my family. But Disney makes me sick. However if you look at it, in a way it is necessary. Would they have the appeal they do if their characters looked more "normal"?

As for sexy good and sexy evil characters, does it really matter? Everyone are individuals and everyone has their own tastes for what attracts them. There is no sense debating on a topic that is purely determined by psychological aspects of the individual. Evil and good aren't all that different when it comes to attraction. Attraction always has the same basic elements no matter who and what it involves. So does it really matter who is sexier. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

Just to add: One psychological aspect: the reason why some of you find evil girls/guys sexy is the way they express themselves physically. For example, the way Demona walks when she's strutting with her gun toward Goliath. She is in reality expressing her anger and determination through her actions. Although, we find it sexy because it reminds us of flirting, the kind that goes on between two people during (sorry if it offends you) foreplay or at least a type of foreplay. Elisa can easily dress and act like Demona and still be good, but she doesn't and that's what makes her attractive in her own way. Angela can easily be more outgoing, but she isn't and that shows she can be confident without having to express it.

Something I never got around to clarifying:
On all the unclarified topics: (eg: Goliath's age/gargoyles ages, anything about Fae, the meaning of the Three Races, the borderline between human and gargoyle culture, gargoyle and fae biology, ... these are very general, but the list can go on for miles.) Why should we have to ask Greg himself to answer untold topics that Gargoyles the TV show never meantioned? Shouldn't that stuff have been included into the TV series. Since a lot wasn't or didn't have a chance yet to be meantioned, TGS should fix that mistake. Don't you understand now what I meant when I said we need more explaination on certain matters? Mystery and masquerades are great, but we are more than just enjoying them, we are to the point of having to guess some things to fill in places. Guessing is good, but guessing to figure out something to understand a major picture is bad. TGS and Gargoyles may wish to have kept some things secret to keep up the mystery, but if a new series (such as Fae History) doesn't arise, at least could some topics be clarified in the present series. I understand and see that TGS is giving hints in their series, but don't you agree that some of these hints are just confusing us even more, while others don't even notice them? Do you understand the importance of all my suggestions now? (Sorry if I sound mean, I'm not trying to be.)

Here's something new:
How about we describe what we would like to look like as a gargoyle, fae, mutate, cyborg, clone, etc. It's not completely close to s8 topics, but interesting all the same.

Lady Mystic <TJSSLSSAS@aol.com>
Dearborn, MI USA
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 07:59:20 AM
IP: 200-49-36.ipt.aol.com

92 days until the Rising.
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 07:20:15 AM
IP: pn9-ppp-181.primary.net

Cassandra> That's a tattoo are you sure ? Its on her right eye I believe .
Brian <aace@toj.com>
Kingston, Jamaica
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 03:26:25 AM
IP: port065.toj.com

Just a quick pop-in to wish everyone a happy holiday. And one quick question completely unrelated to any of the threads. Is Fox's birthmark over her right eye? Bye-bye everybody.
Cassandra <nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu>
Natchitoches, Louisiana USA
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 12:24:55 AM
IP: pm2-4.net-2000.net

Doug> "Oohmaks" is the word for Ferengi (from Trek) foreplay, which involves stroking the ears starting from the eyebrows (which are conjoined to the ears) and tracing around to the lobes.
Laudre <laudre@null.net>
Saturday, July 04, 1998 at 12:21:01 AM
IP: p01-45.stamford.dialin.ntplx.com

**Coyote enters the room carrying his sax, as usual, but also lugging a 386 CPU under his other arm. Upon entry, he immediately tosses the CPU against the opposite wall, shattering it into a quadrillion pieces, many of which embed themselves in the Unseelie who haven't yet been able to get off the floor.**
TAKE THAT YOU RAT BASTARD!!
**Smiles sheepishly**
Sorry ... computer's been acting very annoying lately. AN-y-way ...

Erogenous Zones: Okay, I'll admit that the area around where the wings would attach to a woman's back is probably one of their best erogenous zones (God knows it works on my girlfriend ... but I digress.). However, the same area on a man - and probably by elimination, a male gargoyle - is much different. My girlfriend also discovered this: most men are _ticklish_ in that same area. (Maybe it's related to the X or Y chromosome or something ...)

Cyborg Gargoyles: I write about one cyborg gargoyle (Samson), and in my stories the sybernetics turn to stone along with him. By my understanding, and according to TGS (see "Out of Joint"), a gargoyle's possessions, meaning anything the gargoyle considers his property and has with him when the sun comes up, turns to stone with him. (In "Out of Joint," remember, Primus' tunic had to be replaced every night because the sorcery that allows this transformation hadn't been created in ancient Rome.) As far as I'm concerned, a cyborg gargoyle would consider his upgrades as his property, and it would constantly be on his person. Ergo, Samson's cybernetics turn to stone along with him. (And, by extension, Lexington's.)

Doug: I apologize if my cycle sounds depressing. It's not all the time, believe me. It's just that the central character, the daughter I've mentioned all this week, happens to be an intense kind of person (just like daddy!!). Please, give it a chance.

Oohmaks: Actually, the references I've seen spelled it "oo-mox." Either way, it comes from Star Trek: it's a method of arousing male Ferengi (the aliens with the big ears) by stroking their earlobes, which is their most prominent erogenous zone.

**Coyote starts to leave, but turns to the table next to the door.**

Mmmmm ... pizza .....

**Snatches two slices as he leaves.**
Coyote the Bando <1134@i-is.com>
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 11:07:43 PM
IP: modem105.net-ex.com

*Angel skips in, smiling.*
I'm in a great mood. I just finished watching my fave movie, "A Tale of Two Cities" (the black-and-white version). *sigh* Sydney Carton--now that guy is dreamy!

<<..vengence for my pain...She'll find her castle in ASHES..my Demona...>> *slaps her palm to her forehead* Oy! That's all I have to say! Just "Oy!" *laughs*

Lisa> Oh, that. I was just responding to your siding with the human in our little Demona vs. Elisa debate. Don't worry, I was just joshin' ya. *smiles* Btw, Sean is pretty much the only reason I want to see "The Avengers". He's my hero. *grins* And I'm a Zorro fan, too.

*waves* Well, this is me, signing out! Everyone have a great holiday! **gone**
AotN
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 11:01:03 PM
IP: dialup-103-31.sssnet.com

<<Sorry you and Demona have the same emotional state. I don't think genocidal mania is healthy...>>
No, it probably not...., I'm just kidding, I'm talking about our quest for vengence!! We will have vengence for our pain! That's why I got in that little "dispute" about a week ago..., but I'm not talking about goin on a homicidal rage or anything. I can admit when I'm wrong, isn't that right honey? (Ha Ha She's not here this time to answer)!! She went to the store for some frosted cherrios..,
{looks down at 4 month old slobbering daughter in one arm while typing with the other}
And when she returns.., She'll find her castle in ASHES!!!
<<I just want to point out that, unlike Salli Richarson or whatever, Marina Sirtis had a ~cool job~ before Gargoyles was even a thought.>>
Let me clear my throat... again.... again.. Yes. That's my only comment..., Yes.
<<To think, there's couples all over the country rubbing each other's shoulderblades>>
OH, yall are rubbing???!! Heh, just kidding, I had to go there.. Let me clear my throat again....
OK, now. On totally different matters..., Number 1. (no, not xanatos), Is there something wrong with your son when he runs around the house singing "It ain't my fault" like a mad man?? Or is that what happens when people like me are reproduced?? And Number 2. Greg called my Demona a coward, right? What would he say about Piglet? I know dumb question...
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga usa
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 10:36:05 PM
IP: spider-tn052.proxy.aol.com

(Doug walks in with more pizza. When he calls out this time, several Unseelie approach him, looking very angry. Loki, Maeve, and Madoc stride to the front, swords drawn. Doug groans, looks down at the order, and holds the pizza out to Madoc as he prepares for battle.)
Um, here's your pizza, sir. Why do I have the feeling I'm not getting out of this one alive? Oh well, here's some last words:
Christine: Starlight and Shadow is finally coming out? Alright!! I can hardly wait to read it. Just so you know, Lisa's shoulder blade kink probably has little to do with her being a fan of your work. According to her, she's liked being touched there since her first time, which was a few years before you started writing. Hate to burst your bubble. :) Oh, btw, I was at your homepage yesterday and saw that "Dear Diary" and "Hotwired" are not in the Gargoyles fanfiction story list. Maybe you should post them there as well as on gargoyles-fans.org, eh?
Laudre: Just curious, what's an oohmak?
Now, if y'all will excuse me, I have to try and stay alive!
(Doug turns back to the Unseelie approaching him and draws his Uzi, only to drop it as the metal suddenly heats up enough to burn his hand. "Damn Unseelie magic!" Doug curses as he looks for a way out. Suddenly Jim's car crashes through the door again, with all Doug's friends inside firing iron spears and bullets at the Unseelie. As the bad guys run away screaming in extreme pain, Doug hops in the Buick and Jim drives away, turning up Natalie Imbruglia on the radio. "Hee hee," Shap laughs from the front seat as they get out of sight. "Now those Unseelies are also TORN!" Doug groans at his best friend's really dumb puns.)
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 09:41:50 PM
IP: dd58-159.dub.compuserve.com

Christine> One word: oohmaks ^_^.
Laudre <laudre@null.net>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 08:57:06 PM
IP: p02-06.stamford.dialin.ntplx.com

Wings as erogenous zone > gosh, I love being such an inspiration! Such a kink-meister! To think, there's couples all over the country rubbing each other's shoulderblades ... just wait until you all read my book, because my elves have some real ear-fetishes ... ; )
Christine <vecna@eskimo.com>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 07:16:09 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

(Lisa glides down, pursued by several gibbering Unseelie. With a quick blast from a ray gun, she paralyzes them and turns to the crowd.)
Great, now these things are on my tail, too! Oh well, just one thing to say:
Angel: No to what? I haven't offered you anything, have I? Explanation, please!! What are you so ticked off about? (I haven't gotten that particular expression from anyone in so long.) Also, just so you know, we're also eager to see Avengers and Zorro here. The main reason I'm eager for the former is Sean Connery. Sigh, he's so dreamy. Never seen him as a bad guy before, hope he does a good job. If it weren't for him, I wouldn't be going to see something that looks so much like a Get Smart and Top Secret remake. As for Zorro, well if the movie's half as good as the old Family Channel series was, it'll definitely be worth seeing. Especially if there's a Sergeant Mendoza-like character to laugh at! There was this great scene in the series once when:
(Zorro walks down the street and passes Mendoza)
Zorro: Morning, Sergeant.
Mendoza: (startled momentarily) Oh, good morning, Senor Zorro! (Walks on, then stops and gets this great shocked look on his face) Senor...Zorro!!! (To fellow soldiers) Get HIM!!
(Scene ends)
Sigh, I just love watching stupid idiots like that. Too bad Gargoyles doesn't have one. No, wait, they don't need one. That would spoil the show. Oh well, gotta run. These Unseelies are waking up. Don't forget to tell me what you're so mad about, Angel!
(Lisa waves bye, and glides out of the room, chased by angry evil fairies.)
Lisa <dierdre34@yahoo.com>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 06:47:06 PM
IP: hd35-244.hil.compuserve.com

*Angel rides in on a unicycle, trying to balance under the weight of her haversack. Corbin runs circles around the cycle, barking like mad. Suddenly Angel lets out a cat-like cry as the unicycle rolls out from under her. The fox whimpers and dives for the corner; the haversacks contents scatter everywhere. The auburn-haired garg rubs her back, looking from her oversized feet to the bike and back a again.*
I don't think those were ment for a gargoyle.
*looks up*
Oh, well...
Doug> My fave Shakespeareplays are "A Midsummer Night's Dream" (read it about 8 times), "Macbeth", "Julius Ceasar", "R&J", "The Tempest", "The Winter's Tale"...aw, heck, they're all good!
I haven't seen "The Truman Show" yet, but everyone says it's really good. And I'm dying to see "The Mask of Zorro" and "The Avengers"!
Lisa> *puts on a face of mock anger* NO!
Fire Storm> Yeah! Elisa would, of course, just have to kick Demona on the show 'cause she's bad. But let's hypothesize, here: Good Demona vs. Elisa = one hurt human. *grins*

Btw, I just want to point out that, unlike Salli Richarson or whatever, Marina Sirtis had a ~cool job~ before Gargoyles was even a thought. HA!

*Angel looks up to see Corbin racing towards the door, carrying a piece of pizza in his mouth, and followed by a not so happy Bronx. "Uh-oh, gotta go!"*
AotN
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 05:58:16 PM
IP: akron-157-6.sssnet.com

<< Hmm, Coldstone and Lex both have cybernetics. Lex turns to stone while Coldstone doesn't, wonder what's the difference? >>

Simple. Lexington was alive when the hardware was put in, and still is, but Coldstone was a thousand years dead, reanimated through science and sorcery, and more silicon than carbon where it counts.

Wrapping wings around one's SO... I'd love to be able to do that ^_^.

Demona, a coward?> Greg has said as much, and if you examine her actions, deep down that undercurrent is there. She did not have the courage to take responsibility for what she did, when the Weird Sisters came down on her hard about her actions in the past; she still refuses to admit to herself that she has done anything *wrong*. (This is one of my issues with her characterization in TGS.)
Laudre <laudre@null.net>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 05:41:32 PM
IP: p02-06.stamford.dialin.ntplx.com

(Doug zooms down on his new jetpack, holding out a pizza and asking if anyone ordered one. Bronx and Nudnik dash out, and the former grabs the pizza in his jaws. They bark happily and scamper away.)
Hey, you have to pay for that!! Oh well, here's what I have to say:
Jackal: I meant Elisa. If you don't think she's a coward, sorry, my mistake. Sorry you and Demona have the same emotional state. I don't think genocidal mania is healthy. Oh well, maybe that ain't the part of her emotional state you have. Be more specific, and maybe I'll pursue this issue. That's all I have to say to you for now.
Firestorm: No, you and Jackal aren't alone. I also like rubbing my girlfriend where her wings join her back (if she really had wings, that is). Good thing Lisa likes being touched back there. I don't know anything about cybernetics, so I can't answer your questions on that topic. Oh well.
That's all for now!
(Doug races after the gargbeasts, demanding the money for their pizza and wondering how they ever ordered it over the phone.)
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 05:00:19 PM
IP: hd59-025.hil.compuserve.com

<<A gun would put the powder-blue gargoyless out of comission long enough for Elisa to escape, though. And I think we all know you think she's a coward.>>
Who Elisa or Demona? Elisa's pretty tough, I'll give her that! But there's NO WAY she can beat Demona's a-, umm, butt! Even though I think very highly of Demona, I don't think I think she's a coward (emotionally). Like I said before, me and her seem, and I stress SEEM, to have the same emotional state (relatively speaking).
<<Jackal: (curtseys) Thanks, glad I made you laugh...., but I'm not going to pursue the issue.>>
{Smiles in return} I won't bring it up anymore...., unless... someone else does!
<<I keep trying to rub the place where my g/f's wings join her back. And she dosn't even HAVE wings! (Too bad, though!) The REALLY bad thing is that I enjoy it like she really DOES have wings!>>
I'm not alone!!!! I'm not alone!!!
Hmmm, now that I'm thinking about........ It's just a shame she doesn't have wings... =)
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 04:31:18 PM
IP: spider-tn022.proxy.aol.com

(Lisa roars in on her bike, pursued by tons of papparazzi. She waves at a guy behind her in a white Ferrari, who zaps the lead pursuer with a ray gun. The guy keels over as if drunk, and several other papparazzi crash into him.)
That's how Diana's assassination really happened! Driver shot with the same ray, killed three people, and good riddance!! Wait a sec, wrong room to say that in.
Firestorm: **I keep trying to rub the place where my g/f's wings
join her back. And she doesn't even HAVE wings! (Too bad, though!) The REALLY bad thing is that I enjoy it like she really
DOES have wings!**

Hmm, I've heard Doug express this sentiment on numerous occasions. Funny how I like being touched back there...

**Has anyone in here ever felt like wrapping thier wings around thier SO? It is an all too tempting thought in my head. Ever think you are and you can actually FEEL your wings around your SO? I have. Great. I have the mind of a gargoyle. Now all I need
is Puck or Alex to turn me into one!**

Yes, and yes to your questions. Of course, in my Internet form, I have wings, so it's understandable. Had to settle for arms and jackets in real life (sigh). Now, if you want Puck or Alex to turn you into a gargoyle, I wouldn't recommend it. Magic spells sometimes wear off, and if you really want permanent gargoyle mutation, (shameless plug) get the Sevarius Gargoyle-Human cross-treatment for only $149.95!! I got it and soon I was able to glide, regenerate wounds quickly, wound my foes severely by scratching them, and look even cooler than I once did! (I look somewhat like Elektra from Christine Morgan's stories in my garg-form if anyone wants to know. Different facial features and personality, but the rest is the same.) No problems so far that I couldn't handle!! You want gargoyle qualities, I recommend you get the same deal! (Warning, Dr. S is not responsible for any genetic defects the treatment might accidentally cause.) Good luck!

**But, if I change like Demona, How would that work out when (Note: not IF) I get cybernetics? I know Lex's turn to stone, but what would happen with a hybrid? If I get human 'netics, when I turn to Gargoyle, that would fit and look wierd. Since Lex has cybernetic wings, can they, or will they be able to, retract into his mid-wing strut or his arms? And what if his
Cybernetics get's damaged? Do they get repaired at all during his stone sleep?**

Hmm, I don't know since I have no plans to get cybernetics. From what I know about the science (only what my engineer pals Keith and Alex have told me), since we haven't seen Lex's wings retract so far in the story, they probably can't. And probably Lex's cybernetics do get repaired in stone sleep. If I were Madoc, I would have put some kind of spell in there to effect that. I don't know how exactly Demona getting cybernetics and changing would work out, but I speculate that with the extreme pain her changing puts her through, unless they were specially rigged and firmly attached, all the cybernetics would erupt and fall off every time she changed. That wouldn't be pretty. So I wouldn't recommend letting daily garg-human changes and cybernetics mix. Hmm, Coldstone and Lex both have cybernetics. Lex turns to stone while Coldstone doesn't, wonder what's the difference? Oh well, enough of this talk from me. I don't really know much about cybernetics and genetics anyway. I'm just a first-year Science major. The only way one can really find out the answers to your questions is to observe experiments aimed at finding out the answers. I'm sure Dr. Sevarius would be happy to conduct such experiments if paid for them (or maybe you wouldn't have to pay him, I don't know). He can be reached at 1-800-GEN-U-TEC any time of day. Call him if you want to know more. I'm sure he can answer all your questions.
Jackal: (curtseys) Thanks, glad I made you laugh. I still say Elisa would beat Demona in any fight, but I'm not going to pursue the issue. Later!
(Lisa turns her bike around and zooms out, flapping her wings like sails to give the bike extra speed and escape the just-getting-back-up papparazzi.)
Lisa <dierdre34@yahoo.com>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 04:16:43 PM
IP: hd35-086.hil.compuserve.com

BTW...
Are there any gargoyles fan's out there that are into 3d rendering? Or VRML? I am looking for any gargoyles related 3d models.
Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 03:16:52 PM
IP: 201-165-142.ipt.aol.com

Don't yopu just hate it when you get so into a work of fiction that it totally pre-occupies your mind and you do things that the characters do, even if it isn't really possible?
For example, some times when the sun is about to come up, after reading TGS, I feel like I am going to turn to stone.
Another one, more recent, is now that I read Christine Morgan's fan-fic, I keep trying to rub the place where my g/f's wings join her back. And she dosn't even HAVE wings! (Too bad, though!) The REALLY bad thing is that I enjoy it like she really DOES have wings!

Has anyone in here ever felt like wrapping thier wings around thier SO? It is a all too tempting thought in my head. Ever think you are and you can actually FEEL your wings around your SO? I have. Great. I have the mind of a gargoyle. Now all I need is Puck or Alex to turn me into one!
But, if I change like Demona, How would that work out when (Note: not IF) I get cybernetics? I know Lex's turn to stone, but what would happen with a hybrid? If I get human 'netics, when I turn to Gargoyle, that would fit and look wierd.
Since Lex has cybernetic wings, can they, or will they be able to, retract into his mid-wing strut or his arms? And what if his Cybernetics get's damaged? Do they get repaired at all during his stone sleep?

And, on the lighter side, What happens when a gargoyle get's "Stoned"?
Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 03:12:31 PM
IP: 201-165-142.ipt.aol.com

(Doug walks in with more pizza, but this time nobody responds to his call. He sighs, looks at the order again, and slaps his forehead.)
Whoops, wrong address. Oh well, as long as I'm here:

Jackal: **Thank you for a much needed laugh, Lisa!! Too bad Elisa would have to use a gun and not fight hand to hand...., even so, like
she's gonna kill Demona, our immortal goddess!! HAHAHAHAHAHA**

C'Mon, Jack, nobody could kill Demona. Except MacBeth and we all know he ain't going to any time soon. A gun would put the powder-blue gargoyless out of comission long enough for Elisa to escape, though. And I think we all know you think she's a coward. Oh well, glad Lisa could give you a laugh. She's good at that, among other things.

**I'll even go as far as to say that Marina could take Salli any day of the week!!!**

And my girlfriend could take them both!! Wait a sec, this isn't the place to say stuff like that. Oh well.

Todd: Thanks for the countdown. So many great things happening on October 1st. Independence Day in China, Duke Nukem: Time to Kill comes out, the Rising begins. Sigh, why must we wait so long?
On another topic, does anybody think Iago and Othello will do that scene where Iago goes "See, my brother? They betray you!" next season? I think it might happen. Or maybe it'll wait till Season 3.
Oh well, gotta go. Pizza needs to be delivered. See y'all.
(Doug checks the address again as he walks out, and groans. "Springfield, huh? What state, buddy?" he snaps angrily as he gets back into his car and drives away.)
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 12:01:35 PM
IP: hd1-109.hil.compuserve.com

Hey, just finished the latest of the Pendragon stories. Most interesting reading. In any event. Looking forward to the new season of stories. And, just about to start catching up on past episodes of Dark Ages......
David <dcarmona@snet.net>
Suffield, CT USA
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 11:12:01 AM
IP: hrfr-sh8-port183.snet.net

*Bronx enters the chat room, pulling a cart. Todd and Nudnik are sitting in the cart, Nudnik hanging his head over the side, panting and leaving a trail of drool and slobber behind him. He yips eagerly at everybody else who's been posting in the comment room, and wags his tail *

94 days until the Rising. Don't miss it.

*three pigeons suddenly enter the comment room, two of them arguing with each other to the point where the louder one starts beating the meeker one up, and the third rolls around laughing. Bronx sees the pigeons, growls at them, and runs at them, pulling the cart behind him. He chases the pigeons out of the comment room, still angrily barking at them, while Todd hangs onto the side of the cart for dear life, and Nudnik continues to enjoy the wild ride. *
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 08:28:25 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-130.primary.net

:::chuckle::: Well. I can name someone on AOL, who certainly excells at being a "winged beast". In fact, the gal in question, makes Demona look like a choirgirl destined for Heaven, IMHO. As a matter of fact, she could match Demona deception for deception, like what happened at Castle Wyvern, in 994. And I don't even think she actually realizes why she's losing friends. She's too busy finding people to blame and badmouth behind their backs. Frankly, I'd trust Demona with my life, compared to the girl from AOL I met....

David <dcarmona@snet.net>
Suffield, CT USA
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 04:09:46 AM
IP: hrfr-sh5-port17.snet.net

Thank you for a much needed laugh, Lisa!! To bad Elisa would have to use a gun and not fight hand to hand...., even so, like she's gonna kill Demona, our immortal goddess!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
I'll even go as far as to say that Marina could take Salli any day of the week!!!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Friday, July 03, 1998 at 03:13:05 AM
IP: spider-wc014.proxy.aol.com

(Lisa glides down, landing in the fountain and taking a much-needed soak.)
Don't they have an Elisa in everyday clothes picture? Don't get me wrong, I love the dress, but her usual garb suits her much better (MPO).
Gee, Jackal, I think I can finish your vision with the part you didn't see:
Elisa screams as Demona keeps popping her. Suddenly, she reaches behind her, and throws a screaming gray cat into Demona's face! As the garg-bitch roars, trying to get Cagney off her, Elisa pulls out her .45 and shoots Demona several times. Then, as Cagney leaps away and Demona falls down screaming in pain, Elisa walks over and goes POP! "That's for Goliath!!" POP! "That's for Angela!" POP!! "That's for me!!!" Then she laughs and walks away, leaving her adversary to bleed on the ground. Wait a minute, this doesn't sound like Elisa. Oh well, that's what I'd do if I were her (grin) and as my friends know well, I'm tougher! Oh well, enough of this debate. I think we all know who would win the fight. Elisa Maza!! And even if Elisa did get beat up, Demona would always have a huge problem when Elisa's boyfriend found her...
That's all for now!!
(Lisa hops out of the fountain, dries off with a towel Owen hands her, and, catching a sudden updraft, flies away.)
Lisa Telman <dierdre34@yahoo.com>
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 11:18:42 PM
IP: dd41-219.dub.compuserve.com

OH!!
{looks at Angel and smiles}
Ummm, nevermind. I don't need to get in trouble....
Goodnight! I'm off to see Braveheart (again)....
Jackal
Cov, Ga Usa
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 10:42:34 PM
IP: spider-tr031.proxy.aol.com

I started to type something but I erased it.., I started staring thur the monitor..., and recieved a vision!! What was that vision, you ask??? Well, here it is...
Elisa's bloody, bruised face, moaning in agony... then... POP- more blood flys from the human's face, as our beautiful and sexy Demona delievers yet another fist to Elisa's face..., Ahhhhh, thank the Lord for such visions... :)
Anywayz, I had a dream about Brooklyn last night, though I don't remember it, I know it was like I was watching him on TV.., anybody ever had a dream like that? Oh! And you know what I find out last night? That Keith David is in Wes Craven's Wishmaster, it's just a small part, but I never knew he was in the movie.
Man, for the life of me I can't remember what I was originally gonna say... Oh well, it's Sata's fault!!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga usa
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 10:30:17 PM
IP: spider-tr051.proxy.aol.com

Coyote: i read all of your fan-fic this morning. I see what you mean. Given that... Well, I guess Goliath is stronger that I thought he is.
Demona vs. Elisa: Elisa would have to win. No matter how bad the odds are, Elisa would have to win. Law of the Cartoon Universe, section 001494. But in reality... sweet little Demona would disembowl Elisa in under 30 seconds... make that 5. unless she wanted that pesky little human <Sneers at the last word> to SUFFER!
Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@aol.com>
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 05:46:33 PM
IP: 171-217-36.ipt.aol.com

(Doug walks in, accompanied by two familiar-looking FBI agents. He lectures them for several minutes that Lisa is not an alien and his relationship with her is none of their business, then shouts, "Look, there's my Uncle William!" The two run off and he turns to the crowd.)
God, Mulder and Scully are terrible in real life! Sigh, why couldn't they be like they are on TV instead of in that BLEAH movie? Oh well, here's what I have to say.
Todd: He he he. Great comments from the garg-girls. They sure sound realistic.
Mandi: Yep, I agree with you on female stereotypes in the media. I also agree with you on Buffy. In my opinion, Willow is (ahem) hotter than Buffy and on the show she ain't supposed to be. Oh well, to each his own taste, I guess.
AotN: I'm a Shakespeare fan, just don't mention it that much. King Lear, Hamlet, R&J are some of my all-time favorite tragedies. And Falstaff, sigh, I've never laughed so hard as I have seeing that guy on stage. Too bad John Belushi, John Candy, or Chris Farley never played him in a movie. They all would have done a great job.
Movies: I've seen a few so far this summer. X-Files, BLEAH. Mulan, Great! Hope Floats, (takes Uzi and aims it at Sandra Bullock's head) Boring!! Armageddon, Major BLEAH. Truman, Excellent, very well done. Perfect Murder, real good and scary movie, but Micheal Douglas was the only good character. I guess it was medium. Movies I still plan to see this summer and might give my opinion on later: Small Soldiers, Lethal Weapon 4, Blade, the Avengers, Mask of Zorro.
And the Gargoyles movie if it ever comes out!!!
Oh well, gotta go. Don't want Mr. Clark yelling at me for being late to work today. See y'all!!
(Doug walks out before Mulder, Scully, and his very angry Uncle William (no, William B. Davis is not really my uncle, but he is in the old-family-friend sense) can find him.)
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 12:54:19 PM
IP: hd22-082.hil.compuserve.com

*Mandi is on lunch break, so she feels justified in popping back in again.*

Angel: You're not alone. The main reason I'm sticking with Honors next year is because I want to go to the Stratford Festival in Ontario again for the Honors trip. (Yeah, that and because I want to exempt another Core class...details, details...) As for movies, "The Truman Show" was very well done, IMHO.

*Getting back on topic before the winged bouncer at the door
smacks her around* Taleweaver: What do you mean, they're only bad because there are good guys to stop them? Because they're against the good guys, they fall into the role of antagonist and are _perceived_ as evil. If the Wyvern Clan wasn't around, Xanatos would have continued his shady dealings, except without being caught. In fact, if not for them, Alex would probably be in Oberon's clutches, and fatherhood seems to be Xanatos' main reason for seemingly moving to the side of good.

*Exeunt, followed by that stupid dog of the neighbor's.*
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 11:22:09 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

*Angel pops her auburnhaired head in again for a sec.*
I forgot a few comments...
Jackal> "POP-That's for stealing my love! POP-That's for being so damn lucky! POP-..." *sighs* Now THAT would be an...ideal moment.
Taleweaver> "...and they're only evil because there are good guys to foil their plans." This is an interesting comment. You know, it works with people like Xanatos and *laughs* Hakon (that guy is so pitifully crazy and ignorant that he justs cracks me up! ...but I hate him, of course. *makes a nasty face*). But I don't think this statement applies to someone like Demona. If Clan Wyvern were gone, she'd still be on her personal vendetta against humanity, don't you think? Or did I misunderstand your point by that statement? If so, please explain...

Btw, no fellow Shakespeare lovers in here, huh?

*Angel waves, then disappears behind the door once more.*
AotN
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 10:24:03 AM
IP: akron-157-2.sssnet.com

*Angel strolls in casually and drops her haversack by the door. Corbin the fox sits obedient;y at her feet. She faces the room...*

<<Elisa would kick Demona's powder blue tale. ~Taleweaver>>
<<Elisa would kick her ass if they ever got in a fight again. ~Doug>>
*She looks around her, a little smirk spreading across her face. Giggles suddenly bubble from her lips, growing to a full, hysterical laughter until she is rolling on the floor, kicking her taloned feet in the air wildly. This continues for several minutes until she finally settles down, wiping her eyes and standing up, still giggling slightly. She looks around again, and tries to speak between giggles.*

Sorry, that was *hee-hee* rather rude, but *heh-heh* I just can't help myself! *coughs a little, and finally gets serious* Okay, I guess I can understand why people would say that about Mona, but as Jackal already pointed out, you must consider the circumstances under which we have seen Demona and Elisa "cat-fight". *smiles* First of all, in "The Mirror", Demona totally underestimated Elisa in her gargoyle form. Had she been prepared for Elisa's ajustment to her new body, I personally think Demona would have kicked her a-, uh, butt into next Tuesday. *giggles at the thought**coughs and clears her throat* Sorry, again. Also, in "High Noon" and the Avalon eps, not only was she under a couple Weird Sis spells, she again underestimated Elisa and became too proud, which is one of her more obvious faults. *shrugs* That's my 2 cents.

Jackal> Hmm. Thanx.

Mandi> You know, I heard that movie was really stupid. *does a decent Demona impression on the last word* There sure aren't many good movies out this summer! I've seen "Hope Floats", "City of Angels", "Les Miserables", "Mulan", and "Hav Plenty", and "Mulan" was the only have-way decent one. They were all kind weird, and none of them had very good plots. Aaanyway...

*Angel waves too the room, and strolls out, humming "Time of Your Life".*
AotN
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 10:10:30 AM
IP: akron-157-2.sssnet.com

*Mandi dashes through the door, heads for the nearest wooden chair, and smashes it on the floor, grabbing up a splintered chair leg. She turns and rams it through a punk who was chasing her. The punk explodes into ash.*

Sorry about the chair, all. Should've known better than to make a pit stop in Sunnydale.

On the female character debate: It seems to me that unless they explicitly have to be ugly (read: the Weird Sisters as crones), female characters in Gargoyles and most sci-fi/fantasy series are consistently at least somewhat physically attractive. In some cases, that fits their role (e.g. Captain Carter in the Stargate series had to be in pretty good physical shape for the missions the team's been on), but sometimes not. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that generally, female characters on TV and movies frequently fit the mold of what we consider to be physically beautiful. The appearance of a female character, IMHO, doesn't seem to have so much of a basis in level of good/evil. It depends on how she uses it *weird grin* Heck, look at Buffy! Alyson Hannigan is that show's idea of plain!

(Insert preachy rant about female stereotypes in the media, blah blah blah.) Sorry. It's still kind of early, and I just saw Armageddon last night (2 hours and 40 minutes, what the??) and got kind of tired of Liv Tyler sitting and sobbing at monitors and the oil riggers leering at the one female NASA pilot. Of course, when my mother asked how it was, my first response was "Keith David was the general!" Sigh....Gargs on the brain, I suppose... ;)

*One of the Unseelie taps her on the shoulder, looking for Doug since Mandi has been pretty neutral anyway. "Ummm...I think he's somewhere in that crowd of punks out there." Runs the other direction once he's gone (this won't be pretty!)*
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 09:00:01 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

95 days until the Rising.

One of the oddest things that I ever saw on the alt.fan.disney.gargoyles newsgroup was somebody's opinion of how the main female characters of "Gargoyles" would respond to all those male fans lusting after them, which I paraphrase from memory as follows:

DEMONA: Sneering about those humans lusting after her, and then adding, "Hmmm.... I wonder."

ANGELA: Saying bewilderedly, "But I'm a gargoyle, and they're humans. What is the attraction?" To which Brooklyn puts in, "They just have good taste, that's all."

ELISA: Commenting in disgust, "I'm a cop, not some bimbo for guys to drool over!" To which Goliath says nothing, but simply smiles sadly.
Todd Jensen <merlyn@ninenet.com>
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 07:59:41 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-154.primary.net

Coyote> I have been following your Clan Manhatten
stories and I love them. You're up to chapter nine
now and I check for updates a couple of times a week.
I think you do a good premise of what would happen to
Goliath if Elisa should die. And part of his grief is that she was killed right in front of him and he
couldn't do anything about it.
On the subject of sexy, From part V of awakening, where Demona is coming towards Goliath saying "I loved you once etc." She has this incredible sexy
walk and voice. Elisa never had that.
As for male characters, Matt's ok but no turn on.
Jason those eyes of his could get me any time, but when it comes right down, I want Goliath. There is
something about his personality that is the big draw.
Xanatose as well. When he isn't being the villian of
the week, he has an incredable magnatism about him.
It's hard to describe, but I liked the Beast not the
man in Beauty and the Beast, couldn't stand Aladin
at all, liked Riker with the beard from season two on
Sometimes it's the personality that gets me rather than the physical appearance.
In the fight between Elisa and Demona, most of the time its been to a stand still. Demona being caught
flat footed (so to speak) Physically they are, if the fight is between as H/H or G/G pretty evenly matched although Demona has a disadvantage of not
doing too much fighting as a human and in the dirty
tricks department could come off well.
Later
Starsinger
Theresa <Starsinger@Wevtv.net>
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 06:44:31 AM
IP: proxy-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net

<<Elisa has beaten Demona repeated,... Elisa would kick Demona's powder blue tail.>>
HAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah right! Let's examine these situations..
<<once when they were both human>>
Demona's problem here was that she wasn't sure how to fight in her human form, she had no wings, no tail, small little human feet.., what good is that if you were trained to fight like a gargoyle?
<<once when they were both gargoyles>>
Demona was just shocked to see Elisa in that form, so she wasn't at her best fighting ability at that time. Isn't that right, Demona?!!
<<couple of times in the normal skins>>
You mean on Avalon? Demona was under a spell and thus was not operating correcting. As I recall, if it wasn't for Elisa's friends, Demona was pretty much ready to kill that goodie-goodie winch!
<<Demona's been on this destroy humanity kick for a millenium. You got to admire her commit, but without heroes to fight them, villians like her would just be jerks running around.>>
I admire Demona for much more than her commitment, her physical appearence, her voice {BTW, that's why I like Troi}, and that crown thingy. heh heh I admire..., NO respect who she is. Some people call her a coward or whatever, but, I find that hard to believe. Yeah, she may be running from her emotional "problems", I'd be lying if I said I've haven't done that. If..., maybe..., I hate to say this, maybe Demona and myself are on the same level, thus attracting me to her. Yeah, that kinda makes sense... I personally feel that there are no heroes or villians, everyone's basically the same, it's just some people choose the wrong path, and some people choose to counter that path.., Does that make sense or am I just tired???? But I can understand that there can be no evil without good.....
<<Jackal, if Evil is sexxy, does that mean that you are attracted to Cruelilla De'Vile from 101 dalmations or Medusa?>>
Cruelilla De'Vile was stupid, she failed rule 1. So, no, she is not sexy. She was stupid because, who in their right mind would skin 101 puppies? Medusa......
<<And are you saying that good girls are NOT sexxy? What about Belle from Beauty and the beast, with her looks, figure and brains. What about the good girls from Braveheart? What about Jamie Lee Curtis in any movie shere she is good? What about Deanna Troi?>>
Good girls sexy?? Hmmm.. NO!! Do some of them look good? Yeah! I'm sayin that looking good and being sexy are two different things, the two of them combined are.....{takes a deep breath and slowly releases} The perfect mate. Isn't that right honey?!!
(I actually hollered the question, she answered yes even though she doesn't know what I'm talking about). But Belle was alright, Braveheart had some good lookin ladies, and what about Jamie Lee Curtis??? Deanna Troi, if she walked around with a crown thingy, Aeyyyy!
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Thursday, July 02, 1998 at 01:35:16 AM
IP: spider-tl023.proxy.aol.com

(The Unseelie come to, get up, look around, don't see Doug, and walk out muttering angrily. Doug walks out of the crowd and lowers his mustache-glasses-and-big-nose disguise.)
Thank goodness this one is still working! Anyway, here's what I have to say:
Coyote: Your writing sounds extremely depressing. Forgive me for putting it on my never-read list. I agree with you on good girls vs. bad girls being sexy, though I might have a different reaction to Demona if I met her IRL than you would.
Jackal: Hmm, our tastes in women run different. Oh well, for me good is always sexier than evil. Guess I prefer my women to be on the same side I am in the big fight of good against evil, know what I mean? (Though I am personally more attracted to good girls like Princess Leia, Elisa, Angela, Gabrielle, or Teela than ones like Cindy, Jazzie, or Pokey (Cinderella, Princess Jasmine, and Pocahontas, I have insult names for them.). The latters' goodie-girly-girl personalities are just so BLEAH, and I want more!! Tiger, not mouse!! Wait a sec, getting too crazy here. Anyway, I'm sure you can get what I mean.) And evil is only sexy SOMETIMES. I mean, usually the evil I'm exposed to is like Medusa, Evil-Lyn, or Cruella de Vil. Those women are just plain ugly wicked hags, no doubt about it. I can't find them sexy in the least (in fact, some of my worse nightmares involve them and handcuffs). And then there are some bad girls who are actually sexy and good-character bad guys (I'm sure you can guess what type I'm talking about). Women like Demona, Fox before she got married, Catwoman, She-Ra while she was a bad guy, you get the idea. That type of bad girls is the kind I get attracted to. Now that I think of it, most of the bad girls I'm attracted to became good over time and I stopped finding them sexy, instead seeing them as BORING!!!! Maybe you and I are alike in that part of the sort of women we like, I guess. I prefer them to stay good and sexy, or stay bad and sexy. I guess ethics changes are hard to swallow when matched with desire, eh? Oh well, this is not the place to speculate on things of this sort. And just so you know, I watched both Scream movies. They rank somewhere in my 100 Worst Films of all time list, Randy being one of the Worst Characters of all time right down there with Clooney in every film I've seen him in. Only my personal opinion. I totally agree with him on what someone has to be to be sucessfully evil, but I don't think I've ever heard of anybody succeeding at evil being that (with the exception of Cain and Agony's mother, and there's some debate as to though she was really evil or not).
Taleweaver: Boy, you said a mouthful. I agree with you on the Elisa-Demona fight. Elisa would kick her ass if they ever got in a fight again. I would like to see them in one last great fight before Demona goes good, of course. Some of my most enjoyable garg-moments include their cat-fights. Of course, I love watching cat-fights, period!! (grin) Celebrity Deathmatch between Elisa and Demona, anyone? Also, evil is not the only thing that makes some bad girls sexy in my opinion. They also have to look good, have a good personality, brains and inner fire, etc. Just another of my weird opinions.
FireStorm: Some good girls are sexy, most aren't. See my above comment to Jackal for example. JLC and Troi I don't find sexy, guess we differ on this opinion. Belle and the good girls from Braveheart definitely fall into the sexy category (especially that princess in Braveheart, whoo!). In my opinion, to be sexy, a girl must have at least the following things: physical beauty (at least a 14 on the AD&D 0-25 looks scale), brains (better than average preferable, dizts make me gag), inner fire (they gotta be hot in some ways), good sense of humor (a must in anybody if they want to be my friend, I make lots of jokes), bravery and courage (tiger vs. mouse remark, let's just say I'd rather be fighting alongside the damsel against the bad guys than saving her from them), a nice smile (all guys like this), good taste in clothes and men (reason for this is obvious), air of mystery (all men like that, most girls I'm attracted to exude it), liberal views on most things (cuts down on the arguments I'd have with her), not be a crazed maniac in any way that'd be detrimental to me (why I still find Demona sexy even though I'm human and she wants all of us dead is a mystery to me), be curious and adaptable (so they can stand me and my way of life), and not be a bitch, nagger, or worry-wart (this too will cut down on arguments). I also prefer scoundrels to nice girls, don't know why. Oh well, that's just me. I'm sure anyone can see this is Elisa, Fox, Angie (I've got to quit calling her that before she kills me), or anyone else you know I like all over. This is also my current somewhat serious Significant Other Lisa all over, even more so than with all those girls I like on TV, so if any women out there have those qualities and want to come after me, TOUGH!!
Oh well, I think I've said enough for now. Better get out before the TGS lawyer hits me with an adult-material suit.
Bye all.
(Doug puts his disguise back on and strolls out, humming the theme from the old Adam West series Batman.)
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 11:20:36 PM
IP: hd26-162.hil.compuserve.com

Fire Storm: In my scenario, Demona had nothing to do with Elisa's death. Angela leaves two years after Elisa's death because of her father's living in grief (literally).

As for Brooklyn taking over, I wouldn't be too sure about that. If you think about it, Goliath is the center of the clan. If he draws inward and pulls himself away from everything he cares about, chances are the clan will collapse without his influence (never mind his leadership, it's his influence more than anything that keeps the clan together). In my scenario, the child assumes leadership just to keep the clan together, not only because Goliath is brooding constantly but also because Brooklyn leaves.

And as for villains vs. good girls being sexy, I'm kind of leaning toward an equal amount of both. I mean, if I met Elisa Maza in real life, doubtless I would find her attractive. (Weird IRL fact: My older sister's name is Elisa, so I kind of have a thing for Elisas, call me prejudiced.) At the same time, I would feel more intimidated than attracted by Demona/Dominique Destine. Of course, that's just MPO.

Coyote the Bando <1134@i-is.com>
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 10:58:32 PM
IP: 207.91.254.30

You laughed when Elisa fell off the dam? Me. I nearly crashed through the floor, trying to dive after her. I must disagree with you Jackal on a rematch between Elisa and Demona. Elisa has beaten Demona repeated, once when they were both human, once when they were both gargoyles and a couple of times in the normal skins. Should there ever be a rematch, Elisa would kick Demona's powder blue tail.

I think evil makes someone sexy. The persistence is something to admire. Demona's been on this destroy humanity kick for a millenium. You got to admire her commit, but without heroes to fight them, villians like her would just be jerks running around. They're only attractive cause their bad, and they're only bad because there are good guys to foil them.
Taleweaver <rdfootman@csupomona.edu>
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 10:00:28 PM
IP: ppp-207-214-176-217.anhm01.pacbell.net

Coyote, I was the one that said the Goliath would not survive for too long after Elisa's death. At least we agree on one thing, though. Goliath wouldn't be goliath afterwards. If hime and Elisa didn't have a child, then he would almost certanly either die, go crazy, or go veggie. If they did have a kid, then yes, he would try to live. As for Angela leaving if Elisa did die, it would totally depend on if Demona CAUSED Elisa's death, and wether or not she coursed Angela. Brooklyn would definately become leader, taking the leaders place by force or demand from ther others.
Jackal, if Evil is sexxy, does that mean that you are attracted to Cruelilla De'Vile from 101 dalmations or Medusa? They are pure evil, and they are ugly as sin.
And are you saying that good girls are NOT sexxy? What about Belle from Beauty and the beast, with her looks, figure and brains. What about the good girls from Braveheart? What about Jamie Lee Curtis in any movie shere she is good? What about Deanna Troi? Is she ugly? Is Captian Janeway ugly? (oops! Nope. I anwsered that one my self. She is. Sorry!)
Hmm... now that I think about it, good girls are either good and nice, or they look like Whores. For and example on the later, Disney's Pochanatas, and Esmarelda. Or is it just horny Disney Animators? I wonder what lost Gargoyles episodes they made? (I can just picture it now! Angela's conception! And Alex's! Elisa and Goliath! Broadway, lex, brooklyn AND Angela! No, wait! Avalon Tails! Think they do make stuff like that for themselves?)

FYI, Disneys original clothes for Pocohontas were actually historically accurate. They had a hormone rush when they were making thier final decisions, and chose what they chose.
Fire Storm <JeremyCBCD@Aol.com>
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 09:41:57 PM
IP: 204-98-243.ipt.aol.com

**Coyote enters the room, being carried by a gigantic white female gargoyle. He pats her on the shoulder, and she sets him down, on his feet.**
Sorry, didn't want to have to wade through unconscious Unseelie (these are my work pants!).
I'm not sure who mentioned it, but someone made mention that if Elisa were killed or died, Goliath would survive at best, a year afterward, then pass on himself. I don't really think so.
The way I see it, he would try to survive, but it would be incredibly hard for him because Elisa would be the second love of his life that he would have lost forever.
When I wrote Goliath in my own fanfics as a widower, I handled it as he had a reason to survive (he and Elisa had a child), so he had to keep on living. However, he would never be the same: he loses muscle, ages prematurely, broods a lot, loses Angela (who goes to her mother), and eventually almost loses his and Elisa's child, which would prompt him to a suicide attempt (unsuccessful: he's interrupted by four creeps beating the living hell out of him.).
My point is, he loses his gargoyle will and becomes consumed in his grief, so much so he drives away his loved ones and his clan. At least, that's how I see it going.
**Coyote notices his escort tapping her feet, then pointing at an Unseelie coming to. Coyote administers an overhand swing of his saxophone, then jumps back into the white gargoyle's arms, and she carries him out.**
Coyote the Bando <1134@i-is.com>
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 09:19:15 PM
IP: 207.91.254.29

<<Jackal: Who says all sexy people have to be evil? ... I find the good girls on Gargoyles much sexier than the bad girls.>>
WHAT?!! Hold up, I hate to sound like "Randy" in the "Scream" movies but, There's certain rules one must abide by in order to be sucessfully evil... Two of those rules are...
1. Need to be Intelligent.
2. Got to Sexy (applies for male as well as female).
Look at Demona..., that beautiful skin color, that sexy voice, those eyes.., that little crown thingy.
Now,look at Elisa..., what's she got? Red jacket, blue jeans, black shirt... PLAIN!! She don't stand out, she doesn't have the type of voice I wanna hear in the bed room {personally speaking}, I wanna feel..., I... wanna feel Demona's fist in Elisa's face. POP- that's for stealing my love. POP- that's for being so freakin lucky. POP- that's for being annoyingly good! POP- that's for the heck of it!
But don't get me wrong, I like Elisa, but if she was to die, it wouldn't matter to me....
<<Though I have had fantasies about the three WSes...er, forgot I said that. Angela, Elisa, Sata,... are just fine sexy and good.>>
YEAH! The Weird Sisters too! Especailly that one with the dark hair..., the way she looks sometimes- like, "I wanna you die rather than take another breath." That's cool! It's Angela's innocence I'm attracted to, I'm sure I could make her evil, oh yes..., I can make her evil. heh heh heh heh
And Sata!! {stresses Sata's name with a slight bit of hatred}
I won't even discuss HER! not as long as brooklyn is around.
<<..I laughed hysterically when she almost died in "Hunter's Moon, Pt.3".>>
See? Evil..., and I bet she, [AotN] is sexy too!!
Anywayz, on a totally different matter, I don't expect Brooklyn to be funny at 120 years old, but I feel he's still at the age where he can goof around or whatever, but not like his teenage self would....
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga usa
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 08:16:44 PM
IP: spider-tl021.proxy.aol.com

(Doug walks in carrying several large pizzas and shouts, "Hey, anybody order a pizza?" Graeme, Ariana, and Brooklyn come and relieve him of them.)
That'll be $35.84!! And here's what I have to say:
Mandi: You're not the only one who can work with earphones on. As long as they play music I like, I can do it, too. Also, I didn't kill the Unseelies, just knocked them out. They may come back any moment. (gulp)
Jackal: Who says all sexy people have to be evil? Personally, I find the good girls on Gargoyles much sexier than the bad girls. Though I have had fantasies about the three WSes...er, forgot I said that. Angela, Elisa, Sata, and all the other good girls are just fine sexy and good. Hope they all stay that way.
Later, all!!
(Doug heads after Brooklyn, demanding his tip.)
Doug <frostfire@mail.utexas.edu>
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 03:33:08 PM
IP: hd66-082.hil.compuserve.com

*Enter ANGEL followed by Train (j/k)*

Brooklyn> He's become old and boring. *makes a face* What happened to the sarcastic Brook we all love?! Some of my fave Trio moments are when he's goofin' off with the gang, or making fun of Broadway or Lex. *sigh* He's just not as fun a character anymore.

Jackal> *Lol* Yer funny! And Brooklyn could use a few perks. *laughs* Btw, at least you like Elisa. I,...uh, *bends down, whispering* I laughed hysterically when she almost died in "Hunter's Moon, Pt.3". I'll probably get shot for that remark. *laughs* Actually, I'm surprised I haven't yet! I know that laughter was a rather odd response to such a "tragic" moment, but I just ~don't like her~. I'm done. *smirks*

Lady Mystic> *smiles and nods in admiration* You, unlike myself, are very open-minded.

*Angel makes a grand, Elizabethan gesture*
*Exeunt ANGEL, followed by Train (actually, the yapping fox).*

*Sticks her head back in.*
Oh, btw, has anyone here ever read Shakespeare's "The Winter's Tale". *smiles* I LOVE that play! Well, bye!
*GONE*

AotN
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 01:48:21 PM
IP: dialup-103-2.sssnet.com

<<Can somebody point out which ep of TGS Meryt pops up in again?>>
For Old Time's Sake in Timedancer..., I still love Brooklyn, old or not, he's just plain ol cool all around..., About Angla not being "evil", To me it just seems like a waste. She's uhhh, what's a good way to say this....., To "sexy" not to be evil..., Ahh well, I may be slightly nutz, just my thoughts...
Jackal <Jkal662@aol.com>
Ga Usa
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 01:07:15 PM
IP: spider-tm082.proxy.aol.com

*Mandi walks in with headphones and a tape player blaring Aerosmith's "The Other Side." She suddenly realizes the headphones got pulled out, blushes, and shuts it off.*

Oops. 'Scuse me, but would you believe I can actually focus on work plugged into that? *grin* I have to agree that Angela probably won't go bad. She might spend a lot of Season 2 fearing that she's becoming like Demona. But unlike Demona, she realizes when she does something like that. I think Demona does know that she's partly to blame for the Wyvern massacre, but she's buried that deep in denial. Whatever; let's just say I'm agreeing with Lady Mystic there. :)

Incoming stupid question: Can somebody point out which ep of TGS Meryt pops up in again? I still haven't read every episode, mainly because I work all day and usually am not in the mood to go on the computer again at night. :)

*Mandi waves, puts the headphones on again, hooks them to the tape player, and heads out, stepping over the Unseelie corpses Doug left in his wake*
Mandi Ohlin <weird_web@hotmail.com>
Wednesday, July 01, 1998 at 10:40:34 AM
IP: 131.92.167.42

Fire Storm: I like your integration of Queen and Pink Floyd in your beginning statement.

Clarification for those that didn't catch it> Queen: "slightly mad" from the song "I'm Going Slightly Mad" from the album "Classic Queen". And Pink Floyd: "The lunatic is in my head" phrase from the song "Brain Damage" from the album "The Dark Side of the Moon". Yes, of course the songs are available in other album releases, these are just examples.

Fire Storm was refering to Jadzia and DS9 in his comment to Mandi.

Todd and Fire Storm: I feel the same way about Brooklyn. It may have been nice when we saw the young teenage Brooklyn, but he's older and more mature now. He can't act like a joshing, laid-back bachelor any more. He's gone through a lot and has a different life now. (Surviving timetraveling alone and then with a family would definitely change anyone.) He has responsibilities as a husband and father. He is a role model for his children as well. Besides, he is not all THAT different. He still has his signature sense of humor, and his own unique youth to his matuity. I'm glad he still has that. He's managed timetraveling probably better than anyone else could every hope to imagine.

And Fire Storm's theory on Lex is very interesting and very plausible. It does seem like that is the destiny for Lex. It kind of goes along with everyone's comments (from weeks ago) about Asrial's fate having to mean something.

About Angela possibly turning evil: Look people it was already clarified that she will stay sweet, open-minded, good-hearted Angela to the day she dies (e