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I just love the artwork the TGS people use in their stories. The artists are a really talented bunch. Lots of the pics look just like the characters from the original series. And the made-up ones look very like what might have been on the show.

P.S. I chose Brooklyn and Sata for my pic because I love the way those two go so well together. The romance in the Timedancer tales really gets to me.
Dave - [Ragnarok82@aol.com]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 10:49:20 PM
IP: spider-tl081.proxy.aol.com

HELLO!! CAN ANYBODY READ!! DumlaoX posted at this mornings business way early that some of the features were going off line. TWO posts later I gave an ALTERNATE STORY SITE. It does work. Early this morning bright green look for Dumlao's picture.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 10:06:58 PM
IP: proxy-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Um, the Dark Ages links aren't working....neither are many synopses links! Help!


dx
Sunday, September 20, 1998 09:01:04 PM
IP: spider-we072.proxy.aol.com

Oh please Coyote, don't get me started on how much I love the Kingdom Come miniseries...
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 08:42:53 PM
IP: 207-172-53-212.s212.tnt4.brd.erols.com

Read Dumlao's post this morning. He said he was taking somethings off to update. Check my posting just after for an alternate site that was working this morning when I posted.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 07:23:15 PM
IP: proxy-221.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Coyote> Wow. I'm actually stunned speechless. Your last fic was purely awesome. I liked the way you wrote for Sata & Brooklyn, too. I was happy when Peter Maza showed up to fight, but felt like screaming alongside Rosanna after what happened. And I actually got chills down my spine when Rosanna said, "Let's go change the future." Wow. Muy bien, mi amigo. :)
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Sunday, September 20, 1998 07:22:59 PM
IP: svm-ts6-12.c2i2.com

Apparently the Stargate movie will be on NBC tonight mountain daylight 7:30.

Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 07:21:29 PM
IP: proxy-221.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Hey! I just went to the TGS site to reread some eps, and I couldn't get into the files containing them. Can someone please tell me what is going on here?
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 07:15:44 PM
IP: ad31-156.arl.compuserve.com

SG-1 is showing on Fox for season one. I just got through a search on webtv. In Albuquerque it will be on Monday and repeat on Sunday late. Tomarrows episode is the second one.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 07:15:17 PM
IP: proxy-221.iap.bryant.webtv.net

MANDI - Interesting comment about the parallel between Demona and the Unseelies. You might want to read (or reread, depending on whether you've done so yet or not) "Quest's End", our season finale for "Pendragon"; it shows another parallel (actually, more a contrast than a true parallel) between Demona and Madoc.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, September 20, 1998 06:23:08 PM
IP: pn6-ppp-35.primary.net

**Coyote skips in the room in a dust devil to add:**

Before the B5 discussion fades into the ether, thought I'd say this. I recently received a message from Denis De Plaen (another TGS staffer who reads my work) who observed that my cycle reminded him of a cross between Gargoyles, B5 and Kingdom Come (a comics miniseries about the future DC Universe). Just thought I'd drop that in the conversation.

**Coyote's dust devil grows again, as the other Coyote pulls him out of the room.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, September 20, 1998 06:20:47 PM
IP: 207.91.254.66

**Coyote enters the room, still wearing his T-shirt from the other room, and places a slender book on the table in the center of this room.**

The "SHAMELESS PLUG" is not quite yet. Just a couple things to say ...

DumlaoX: This has been said many times, but I should just add my wishes of buena suerte (good luck) to your father in his great struggle. And also the best of wishes to yourself and Alison in your relationship. Hope it turns out better than mine did.

Now, for the "shameless plug:" The new volume of my fic cycle is now posted on the Web, follow my name link to the new story. It's called "Pas de Deux:" watch the fun as the TimeDancers encounter the future Clan. Comments are, as always, welcomed ... especially from those intimately familiar with TimeDancer (I'm curious to know how well I wrote the TD characters, especially Sata.).

The Shameless Plug is ended. All clear!

**Coyote looks behind him as Coyote the Trickster conjures a tornado. Within its confines, the two Coyotes leave the room. Somehow, the book is left on the table without blowing off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, September 20, 1998 06:15:23 PM
IP: 207.91.254.66

Oops. Delayed reaction time; I missed some comments.

Doug -- Thanks for the interest. :) Unfortunately, my crossover's in a fairly long queue with several other fics. It kind of fits into my series (having Lisa Davis remain Beth and Elisa's cousin) but most of the parallels are between the Tomorrow People episode "The Ramases Connection" and the goa'uld. But it's good to know that someone's interested in reading it.. :)

The character development of Demona as you put it brings up a good TGS-related point: Demona's view of humans as "an inferior race" parallels how the Unseelie view mortals--as their inferiors and therefore should be subject to their whims. I'm betting that Demona is most definitely not going to side with the Unseelie in season two, so I wonder if that parallel might occur to her or others who know her? (I know Season 2 is mapped out already, but it's just a thought.)

SJ: SG-1 is addictive. Trust me. :)

Okay, essay to write. I'm going to do it. Really. I mean it.
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 06:11:28 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

(Doug, relieved that the dust is gone, finally finishes hosing down and wiping off the comment room. He then calls Changeling to once again dry up the wet floor. Breathing a sigh of relief, and a last fit of coughing, he walks forward.)

Wilek: Thanks for getting rid of the dusts. You're welcome about the advice. To answer your questions about Gargs AD&D Characters, we've had plenty of gargoyle NPCs in our campiagn here in Austin, but no PCs. Stone sleep is too big a character restricition. If you want to know how to play Gargoyle Characters for AD&D (as in the real kind of gargs we all know and love, not the awful monsters in their Monstorus Manual, which we call Margoyles here), just ask me and I'll tell you how. I'd prefer to do so in e-mail, though, I think this is not the place for RPG discussions.

That's all for now, later!
(A can falls from the skylight and bonks Doug on the head. He looks up to see several garbage men getting ready to empty trash bags into the CR from up there at the TGS lawyer's direction. Most of the bags contain the lawyer's old files and paperwork. Doug growls, and draws his shotgun before going up there to scare them away.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 05:28:14 PM
IP: hd78-240.hil.compuserve.com

[Wilek comes in as Miriam and the Vorlons are fighting the Unseelie. Miriam finally sees an opening to use her iron throwing knives. She does so, and kills the Unseelie. She and the Vorlons then use their magical and psychometric skills to generate wind to blow all the dust out of the room, then they leave. Wilek stays behind to speak.]

DumlaoX> Love the new TGS site. The font for the series names is so much kewler. Not that I didn't like the old one, but I like the new one better. BTW, there's a picture here called "DumloaX". Know anything about it??? :)

Hmm...I *might* do a B5 crossover after all. It would take place mostly in our time, and it would really have only one B5 character, but it might be worth it...

[Wilek leaves, and Doug is relieved that all the dust is gone.]
Wilek Nereus
Meddle not in the affairs of gargoyles, for you are crunchy and you taste good with barbecue sauce.
Sunday, September 20, 1998 05:10:56 PM
IP: tnt-2-159-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Wilek comes in, in his human form. The Unseelie are still at it with Miriam and the Vorlons.]

SJ> The link to "Convergence" is in my name a little ways down.

Doug> Thanks for all the advice!

Aris> '"I知 sure I知 not meant to know, and if I ever discovered I wouldn稚 be surprised to find myself going mad."' In one episode of B5 (I forget which), G'Kar and another Narn were eating what the other Narn thought was a hard-to-import Narn delicacy. G'Kar said that they were actually Earth Swedish meatballs. He said that every sentient civilization seems to have a version of these Swedish meatballs. He said something to the effect of, "It's one of those mysteries that either we were never meant to know, or which would drive us mad if we ever found out." Close enough, IMO. And yes I typed the B5 scene description and quote from memory. :) I wonder if the Vorlons have anything to do with the Swedish Meatball Enigma...hmm. Creativity demon: A Vorlon character for AD&D! How do I create stats? I wonder if anyone has done any Gargs AD&D characters...

I'd better leave; stuff to do. [Wilek leaves as Miriam and her Vorlon allies are *still* fighting the Unseelie.]
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, September 20, 1998 04:10:25 PM
IP: tnt-2-93-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Alright, let me add some final thoughts on the whole B5 thing.

Personally, I'm a B5 nut. I love the show. For all of you who haven't checked it out (like Doug) or who haven't had a lot of time to spend with it (like Mandi. Sorry Mandi, I'll admit that B5 is one of those shows that you can't miss an episode or else be totally confused) the show runs on TNT weekdays at 6 pm (that's seasons 1-4). The fifth and final season runs on Wensdays, usually at 8 pm but occasionally at 10. They've only shown about half the fifth season so far, and the rest of it should start back up in October. For those of you who want to check it out, TNT should start replaying all of the episodes, in order from the 1st season, in the next couple of weeks (cause the fourth season's playing now, and it hasn't finished yet).

Like I said, I think it's one of the best sci-fi shows in at least the last decade. Like our beloved Gargoyles, the stories have deep meanings and morals to them. Topics ranging from racism to the origin of our species are covered in the show. J. Michael Straczynski, the creator and chief writer, has made this project a labor of love, and is, IMHO, an excellent writer. Also, sci-fi great Harlan Ellison, one of my fave writers, is a conceptual consultant. The show is excellent.

There, I've said enough. Don't worry, I don't do anything silly, like dress up like a Minbari in my spare time. Although I do like Londo's hair....

Mandi: Yeah, the episode of Stargate they showed was the "Children of the Gods" pilot. Having never seen the show before, I was pretty impressed. It definitely looks like a cool (or addictive) show.

Dumlao: I honestly hope everything goes well with your father. I know what it's like to have someone close to me be seriously ill. But I've got hope and faith that your dad'll be okay in no time. :)

Oh, and by the way, where can I find the link for Convergence? You guys keep talking about it, I was wondering where to find it myself.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 02:47:35 PM
IP: 207-172-119-127.s127.tnt2.brd.erols.com

(The head CR janitor walks in, looks around, and then rushes over to Doug and begins yelling at him about all the dust. Doug sweeps a cloud of it onto him and he begins coughing and sneezing. Doug then walks forward to say some more stuff.)

Void: You're welcome. :) Hope your players enjoy that thing. Muhahahhaha!!!

DumlaoX: Hope your dad gets better soon. Best wishes to you and Alison for a long loving relationship. :)

Wilek: To answer your question about the dust dragon, I originally created it thanks to an overactive vivid imagination, a good bowl of "Creativity Demons" cereal, a sick and weird sense of humor, and the sight of the really dusty attic of my friend Alex's house. When I first saw it, I couldn't believe how dirty and dusty the place was. I turned to Alex and said, "How long has it been since you cleaned up here?" "A few years," he shrugged in reply. I then asked, "Geez, it doesn't look like it would be this worse. Dust dragon must have breathed in here or something." I don't know why I said that, but Keith overheard me and in a few game sessions (he's our GM, we play AD&D with lots of special house rules) he had a dangerous monster called the "dust dragon" for us to face. Our party was really annoyed by it, because all through the fight, it spread dust and dirt everywhere, making us cough and sneeze. It was terrible! We won, of course, but I don't want to fight a dust dragon again. In fact, if I ever see one again, it'll be too soon. Keith probably dreamed up the stats for it with the same things as above, plus a very through knowledge of AD&D, and some nasty little ideas he got when he thought about the words "dust dragon."

To answer your questions about character development, the principle behind it is simple. You take how a character is in the beginning, have him go through an event or series of events that are important in some way to the plot and react accordingly, and when the events are over, the character has changed in attitude towards the world somehow significantly. A child has grown up, a bad guy becomes good, a good guy goes bad, etc. For example, let's take the character development of everyone's favorite human-hating female gargoyle:

1. At the beginning of "Awakenings" Demona is a good guy, another gargoyle protector of the castle who does not hate humans.
2. Demona sees how the humans treat them and gets pissed about it. Thus, she betrays the castle and ends up losing her entire clan. She refuses to blame herself for it, she blames the humans instead. In her confused mind, they forced her to act.
3. Later, she sees Macbeth might betray her clan as well, and grows angry then, too. She slowly grows to hate humans over the centuries, seeing them as an inferior race who will never appreciate what gargoyles can do for them and always seek to destroy them just because they're different. The Hunters destroying more gargoyles in this time only increases her rage as she nurtures it for almost a thousand years.
4. When her clan awakens in modern-day Manhattan, she expects them to see things her way and when they don't, she gets even angrier and more insane. By the end of "Awakenings" she's not fighting alongside them anymore but trying to blow them away with a bazooka.

See what I mean? That's character development. Demona's personality changes as events happen to her, it develops. Of course, later she gets Angela, slowly grows to see her quest is futile, etc., and becomes a good guy again. That's character development, too. It's pretty easy to do if you're a good writer and you know where you want your characters to go. Just write an event, and have them react to it. For example, Lex becomes a cyborg. He thinks it's cool at first and enjoys it. Then he finds out who did it to him, and he really gets depressed he let it happen and now he'll never be the same. Thus, his character has changed, developed. I think you can probably see what I'm talking about. This is how you do it. The event doesn't have to be complex, it just has to be significant and important to the plot of the story or future stories (yes, character development elements can be inserted into the story ahead of time. I often do that!). So, it's pretty simple. Good luck with it, and let me know if you have more questions.

That's all for now.
(The boss starts yelling at Doug again. He groans and goes back to cleaning up the dust.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 12:50:06 PM
IP: hd49-196.hil.compuserve.com

15 days until the Rising.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, September 20, 1998 08:27:22 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-132.primary.net

The TGS story files can still be accessed at: www.region3.com/gargsaga/
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 07:26:53 AM
IP: proxy-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net

DumlaoX>> You got rid of your Links page?? Is it permenant. That page had some very good sites on it.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 07:19:39 AM
IP: proxy-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Best wishes for Mr. Roddy Macdowal. May he live out the rest of his years in happiness.

LADY MYSTIC-- To answer your questions...

My dad is suffering from liver cancer. He has chemotherapy once a week for 5 weeks straight, then a one week break, then another 5 week session. So far the family is coping with the burden.

Alison and I have been together for about 7 1/2 months now, though we've known each other for about 1 1/2 years (about the same time as project TGS began. She was an original staff member). So far, all the time together has been nothing but wonderful.

WEBSITE-- Effective now, the TGS website will be considered inactive. You can still access the comment room but several links will not work or will take you to "file not found" pages.

Why?

WEBSITE 2.0-- Parts of website 2.0 are being uploaded as they are finished. I'm revamping all I can for the big season 2 premiere, so I'll try and post updates here periodically.

(not to worry, Lady Mystic, I'll still get to that e-mail of yours and mail it off to the new addy).

Hit my name to view the new, partially constructed site.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Los Angeles, Ca
Sunday, September 20, 1998 05:27:26 AM
IP: ts18-6.wla.ts.ucla.edu

Wilek> '"I知 sure I知 not meant to know, and if I ever discovered I wouldn稚 be surprised to find myself going mad."' I don't think so. What episode of B5 would this be a reference to? I can't remember anything.

The two refefences I was speaking of was the well-dressed man coming into Castle Wyvern, saying he was out of circulation doing some exploring and when he's asked if he found anything interesting, cryptically replying 'Yes' with a smile. A kinda obvious reference to Morden in 'Signs and Portents'.

The second reference is ofcourse "The past haunts us. The future frightens us. And the present...The present is where we hide" as you guessed, a reference to Emperor Turhan in episode 'Coming of Shadows' where he says (speaking of past regrets): "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, and the future frightens us, and our lives slip away moment by moment into that vast and terrible in-between. Yet there is still time to catch that one last fragile moment; to make a difference as you say. And I intend to do just that."

On the Convergence> I haven't read that one for half a year. The last time I was there it seemed to have gone unfocused, writers writing themselves and noone really knowing if it could go anywhere. Which then again may be the whole point of the story... :) But the quality seemed to deteriorate somewhat in the last stories, writers writing in references so obscure I couldn't make any sense out of them, and not caring about internal continuity any more. I may have to read the last few chapters to see if it has improved any, and if anyone has managed to make any sense out of it.

Anyway, despite that, there are segments of Convergence I really, really enjoyed. The most favourite of all for me are the 'Omega Variation' segments by 'Devious Brownie' (the ones where Mira Furlan encounters Campbell an investigator from one of the B5 fanfics.) I consider them fanfic masterpieces. And the part where the Shadow encounters the discworld version of Death and asks 'What do you want?' Death's reply is 'GUESS.' Hee, hee!

Vorlons against Fay? I don't who'd win but that would be a battle I'd pay a lot to see. My guess is the Vorlons would win, if only for the cool encounter suits. :)

Todd> I reread the story and got the reference. Nice!

Hmm... I wonder if we are annoying all the non-B5ers here with so much B5 talk...
Aris Katsaris - [Katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 04:44:02 AM
IP: athe530-d066.otenet.gr

Doug> I have recieved the stats and they sound great! I hope to spring it on them this upcoming saturday or sunday (next week) I have a feeling it'll be just the thing to catch them off gaurd *evil grin* Thanks a million! :)
Void - [strangeone@iname.com]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 02:49:03 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-20-93.stlsmo.swbell.net

[The Unseelie that Miriam, Kosh, and Ulkesh are fighting are distracted by all the dust, and they too start coughing their heads off. Miriam puts on a gas mask, and Kosh and Ulkesh of course have their encounter suits. The three now have a decided advantage against the Unseelie. Then Wilek glides in.] <cough cough> What's with all the dust? Oh, I see.

Everyone who's waiting for my fanfic> Well...the character development may not be what you're used to. At least not yet. I'm still a beginner. :) I am in dire need of character development advice, i.e. how to go about it. That will change in future fics, but...At least the plot is interesting. The Phoenix Gate shows up in the future in another reality *without* the Timedancers Brooklyn and Sata, and Arawn (anyone else here know him?) sends myself, Miriam, Arianna, and Blaise to stop it from being used to inadvertently destroy the multiverse. It's a crossover, but I won't tell you what with (and it's not Babylon 5). It's never explained why the Gate showed up without Timedancer...but it *will* be. :) My first fic isn't really intended to be much more than a prologue to the series, anyway; it was never intended to stand alone.

Doug> I heard that you created the Dust Dragon for...some kind of RPG or something similar? What exactly does it take to create such a creature? Besides an overactive imagination, I mean. :) Where does one go, what does one do, etc. It sounds fascinating.

In "B5: Convergence", whoever wrote the Gargoyles sections made a major mistake: The Phoenix Gate CAN travel into the future. Or maybe they wrote it before that was revealed; I don't know. Also, I think Puck and apparently Oberon are there. I only remember shattered fragments; understanding that thing is like looking into a kalidoscope (sp?) through a magnifying glass reflected off a funhouse mirror through a prism through a broken pair of eyeglasses onto a shattered mirror. Ack, brain overload.

BTW, does anyone know about Queen Mab? I read about her in "Ask Greg". I can just imagine her, rotting in a pitch black cell somewhere in the bowels of Oberon's palace, driven completely out of her mind by her captivity. I'm sure that this Rising has something to do with her.

Bye all. [The battle rages on as Wilek glides off.]
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, September 20, 1998 02:24:54 AM
IP: tnt-1-42-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Wilek -- I think Elisa, Goliath, Angela and Bronx appear in Act III somewhere in the middle, and then in (checking) Acts IV, V, IX and X, mostly running crowd control. There's a subplot about a girl trying to get the Key of Avalon from Oberon (and succeeding, which is apparently one of the reasons for the insanity.)

As for misspellings, they spell Elisa's name "Eliza." Only reason that bothers me is because I have a friend at home named Elisa and a friend at school named Eliza. Every time I start or end break, I end up calling one of them by the other's name.

Yep. That's all. Night!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 01:13:20 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

(Sneezing and coughing heavily, Doug pauses in his clean-up of the damage that the TGS Lawyer's dust dragon did to the comment room.)

Void: (cough hack) Did you get the stats I e-mailed you? Did your players enjoy their experiences with the dust dragon? (sneeze cough) Please let me know, I'm very curious.

Wilek: (coughing fit) I too am looking forward to reading your fanfic, whether or not it fully involves Gargs elements. I judge stories based on plot and character development, not how much stuff they contain from the show they're supposed to be based on. Laudre writes good stories without any Gargoyles original characters appearing, and so do I ("Choices"), so I have no problem with the lack of them in a fic. Hope I soon get to read your I'm-sure-will-be-good stories.

Mandi: I would be interested in seeing your Stargate crossover, Gargs characters besides Beth or not. I think you could also work Jackal, Anubis, and Coyote the Trickster in there, though. But you do what you want, I'll read it anyway. Hope you do a good job on O'Neill, he happens to be my favorite Stargate character. (And yes, he's also one of the many characters I drew material from to create the guy named O'Neil in my own fanfic.)

Am I a B5er? Sadly, no. I don't get cable, and that seems to be the only place one can find that show nowadays. The fans of it in here make it sound really good, wish I could watch it. Oh well, it's probably best that I don't. I doubt I'd have time what with school, fanfic, gaming, and my somewhat demanding social life.

That's (sneeze) all for now. See y'all.
(Doug sneezes again and then sweeps a large cloud of dust onto the Unseelie Miriam and her friends are battling, aiding them in the fight as the Unseelie are also overcome with fits of coughing and sneezing. Doug chuckles in between hacks and continues cleaning it all up.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, September 20, 1998 12:51:16 AM
IP: hd20-187.hil.compuserve.com

Wilek> Don't worry about it, man. I'm sure all your fanfics will just turn out wonderful, and I can't wait to read them! :)
Ravyn Maza
Sunday, September 20, 1998 12:37:04 AM
IP: svm-ts5-24.c2i2.com

[Wilek glides in as Miriam, Kosh, and Ulkesh are fighting the Unseelie that have come looking for GXB.] Wow, what a lightshow.

Mandi> Hmm, I didn't know I'd helped that much. You're quite welcome! I actually discovered "Convergence" by accident. Has anyone here contributed to it? I haven't; I go into brainlock just reading the thing. It strikes me as conspicuous, though, that none of the segments seem to be of Gargs. Of course, I may have missed them. How DO they spell Elisa's name over there? I'd like to search for it. Also, B5 is on every Wednesday at 8:00 PM on TNT, I think. A B5/Gargs crossover could be done as a Timedancer fic, or by a White Star or other ship being accidentally brought back to the 20th century by, say, a malfunctioning jump gate. Who knows, maybe the whole darn station could be somehow translocated into orbit around 20th century Earth; perhaps by the Great Machine or the Fey. Maybe it's eligible for use in WCC? BTW, I'm having the same trouble with the "Tomb Of Kosh" site as you had with the "Convergence" site. Anyone seen it? Creativity demon: Kosh vs. Oberon? Hmm. I hadn't been planning to write a B5/Gargs crossover, but recent events begin to give me cause to rethink my course of action...

Oh, I share some of Mandi's concerns about posting fics that are only barely about Gargs. Most of my fics will pretty much involve us, and rarely involve the Manhattan clan. In fact, the only Gargological element in my first fanfic is the Phoenix Gate. I hope no one minds. And...my first fic won't be nearly as good as subsequent ones. I *am* a beginner. :)

Well, I'm off. There's little I can do about *that*. [Wilek gestures at the supernatural war that Miriam and the Vorlons are waging against the Unseelie.] I'd better go before they implode the universe or something. [The universe implodes, and the Vorlons fix it.] That was weird. Oh well. [Wilek glides off.]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, September 19, 1998 11:41:27 PM
IP: tnt-1-42-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**Mandi walks in, lugging a projector from the Activities Board movie she had to help out with.**

Whoops! This isn't storage! Oh, well, while I'm here...

**Scanning the posts, she does a double take.**

Ordell -- WHAT??? Baseball ended in time for SG-1?? Someone told me it preempted it! (If you can't tell, I'm the Stargate: SG-1 nutcase in here.) Was it the "Children of the Gods" pilot, BTW? Because if this is going to be syndicated in order, I can catch the episodes from the first season that college made me miss. (The episode you're referring to is "Secrets," and I MISSED IT!! *sob*) Okay. Back on topic now. Really.

Anyway, that brings me to the topic of crossovers: In my huge stack of in-progress fics that keeps piling up is a Gargoyles/SG-1/Tomorrow People crossover. Actually, Beth Maza is the only Garg character who has a large part in it, which in some of the scenes I've written involves her driving O'Neill up the wall. Either way, I have to check the synopsis of "Cloud Fathers" (there is one, right?) to make sure it makes sense. Out of curiosity, if Beth is pretty much the only Gargoyles character who has any effect on the plot, would you all be interested in reading it on the GFW fic archive? Because if not, I'll keep it on my own fanfic page. I'm asking because it drives me nuts if a fic author posts a story that has little or nothing to do with Gargs on the GFW archive. The only exception to this rule are really well-written fics that lead into Garg elements (waves at Laudre, wherever he is).

Wilek -- So THAT'S where "Convergence" got to!! I looked it up on Yahoo when I read Greg's post about his crossover, and had a fit when I got the "File Not Found" message! Thank you!

(deep breath) Sorry I'm so hyper, all. The movie I had to help out setting up was "Titanic," which I have never seen before for various reasons. With that and the sugar-packed Whipper Snapple I just had, I'm unbelievably wired.

I'm not a B5 fan myself. I didn't get into it when it first came out, and when a couple of my friends encouraged me to watch it, it was a few seasons in and I had no clue what was going on. Now that I'm at college, I rarely have time to watch my regular shows and have no clue when or where B5 would be on. For a crossover, how would you bring the two together? Aside from using the Avalon Tour (which is the only setup possibility that I can figure out offhand).

Yes, I will shut up now. Yes, I'm leaving. Really. I'm going to reread "Convergence" to see if they still have Elisa's name spelled wrong throughout. :)

**Mandi picks up the projector again and walks out muttering "Now where's the AV storage closet again?"**


Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 11:02:58 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

[Wilek walks in, flanked by Miriam, Kosh, and Ulkesh.]

GXB> Oh...was your reply here about the e-mail I sent? Those were suggestions for your list of 54 things that might happen in a crossover. I should have been clearer. :)

[Wilek glides out, and Miriam and the two Vorlons stay to fight off the Unseelie.]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:25:01 PM
IP: tnt-1-42-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

::Xanatos wanders in, trying to get the smell of Emperor Cartagia's secret chamber out of his clothes::

Wilek> As I have stated below, I am writing a Gargs/B5 fic, its planned to be quite long so I may make it a miniseries.

::Xanatos dons his armor and flys out of the Comment Room as he sees several Unseelies enter, no dought looking for him::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 08:57:35 PM
IP: spider-ta022.proxy.aol.com

[Wilek glides in]

B5 refs in "First Do No Harm"? Here are my guesses:

'"I知 sure I知 not meant to know, and if I ever discovered I wouldn稚 be surprised to find myself going mad."'
and either 'Falling to his knees Edmund pleaded for forgiveness. Begged that the pain go away. Beseeched his Lord to erase the memories. Implored that he might forget that a part of himself, a dark part he had long ago thought dead, enjoyed the fray, enjoyed the thrill, even derived pleasure from defeating a foe in such a brutal way.'
or '"The past haunts us. The future frightens us. And the present...The present is where we hide".'

Am I close?

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, September 19, 1998 08:49:42 PM
IP: tnt-1-102-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Wilek glides in, dressed in a Vorlon encounter suit modified for gargoyles.]

I started here as soon as the sun set to tell you the news. I too am a B5 fan. The site my name links to is a site that's doing a group fanfic called "Convergence", a Babylon5/everything crossover. All the barriers between all the dimensions are breaking down, and B5 is the focal point. Utter chaos! No Gargs stuff, though. Maybe someone here can change that??? :)

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, September 19, 1998 07:30:10 PM
IP: tnt-2-59-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Ah, rats, Greg's page is a geocities site, and my server always seems to have trouble with those. Well, I'll see if I can use the Internet at the library to visit it. I haven't been on that one for quite some time, but I imagine that it won't have the same problem. (I'd definitely like to see the Gargoyles/Babylon 5 crossover concepts).

One deliberate "Babylon 5" reference I got into TGS (if a subtle one): "The Last Enchantment Part Two", where Madoc-disguised-as-Merlin says to Arthur, while advising him to drown Mordred at birth, "What is it that you want?" - intended as an echo of Mr. Morden's constant question (associated with the Shadows) of "What do you want?"
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, September 19, 1998 06:48:13 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-54.primary.net

They're sydicating SG-1 now? Coolies. They haven't even shown they episodes on Showtime for a while, ever since this big conspiricy episode where a reporter that knew about the project got killed and blamed Jack.

Okay, I work for the cable company here where I live, and we've gotten some calls for Toon Disney. If you don't get it, here's some reasons why: 1)not enough space your company's sytem for any new station, 2)not enough demand for it, or 3)(long one)stations themselves make some money by charging what's called CPC, or charge per customer, which means that the cable company pays the stations a certain amount of money for each person that subscibes to the station. Most stations are 5 to 8 cents, off the top of my head: MTV is 5, Nickelodeon is 6, Disney is 7. New stations charge a bigger amount of money: Toon Disney is 15 cents, which is just too much for some companies to handle. Others I can think of that charge too much are TV Land and FX, which we here get none of. So, if you're griping because your Gargoyles are out, wait for a while, and when this station picks up(which from what I hear should be pretty soon), the charge will drop, and your local company may pick it up.

Just thought I'd say something, because I have nothing better to do. Later......
Ordell
Saturday, September 19, 1998 06:41:00 PM
IP: 175-170-104.ipt.aol.com

Aris> Thanks for the feedback, and there will be constant updates which will be announced by either The One Eyed Squid or myself. And I am also in the process of writing a Gargoyles/Babylon 5 crossover fanfic, which will span from the end of "War Without End" to "Into the Fire". It will be a lot of fun.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 06:38:26 PM
IP: spider-tk061.proxy.aol.com

I too am a B5er, and I'm glad to actually see some more fans here. Personally, I love the series. I think it's the best sci-fi series that's been done since Star Trek (well, at least since TNG). I don't know how anybody can't watch episodes like "Comes the Inquisitor" or "Passing through Gethsemane" and so many others without being awe struck at the quality work being done. Joe Michael Strazynski is a genius.

Well, enough preaching. Hey, I'm watching Stargate SG-1 right now. Didn't somebody here like that show? They finally got around to syndicating that program, so all us people without the premium channels can watch it.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 06:27:49 PM
IP: 207-172-120-108.s108.tnt14.brd.erols.com

Greg 'Xanatos' Bishanski> Saw your page. It's very good! I laughed out loud at the 54 things that would happen in a Gargoyles/Babylon 5 crossover and loved the other lists as well. And I was very pleased to hear of one more person who shares my love for both Gargoyles and B5.

Btw, are there any more B5ers in here? And how many people caught the two B5 references in Dark Ages: 'First Do No Harm'?
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 01:55:54 PM
IP: athe530-e076.otenet.gr

::an axe breaks through the Comment Room, all people turn and see GXB's face in the door. "HERE"S JOHNNY!!" He shouts.::

My best wishes to Roddy McDowwel. I for one enjoyed his work.

I have a web page up. Come see it. I worked on it with The One Eyed Squid.

::Xanatos exits the comment room and is pursued by three giant Shadow vessels::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 01:02:09 PM
IP: spider-ti081.proxy.aol.com

**Mandi sticks her head in and glances around furtively.**

16 days until Mandi goes ABSOLUTELY INSANE waiting for the Rising!!!!

Sorry Todd. Couldn't help myself.

**Mandi ducks out in time to avoid the coconut cream pie someone throws at her**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:15:51 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

EVERYONE -- FYI, I have been having trouble with AOL lately. (Fire Storm will be looking into that.) Whether AOL works correctly again or not, I might as well say that Fire Storm and I weren't going to stay with that service forever anyway. (We're thinking of canceling AOL by the middle of October.) My new e-mail address Lady-Mystic@usa.net is in the slot below, but I still have TJSSLSSAS@aol.com. Currently both e-mail accounts are functioning. I have had the USA.net account just as long as Fire Storm has had his USA.net account. If you ever have e-mail to send to me please send it to Lady-Mystic@usa.net instead of TJSSLSSAS@aol.com. THANKS :)

DUMLAOX>
I hope everything is okay with your father. I hope everything turns out well in the future too. What is your father having chemotherapy for, that is if I'm not stepping over any lines here? Best wishes. :)

Early Happy Birthday! :)

<<Sorry for not answering your e-mail quickly enough.>> It's okay. <<Truth of the matter is that your suggestions were quite helpful.>> I'm so glad to hear that. Thanks for letting me know in the CR. Could you still e-mail me with your feedback? I'd love to here your views and reactions to my suggestions. I don't mind if it takes awhile for you to e-mail me, I understand how busy one can be at times. If you do send me e-mail, maybe you should send it to Lady-mystic@usa.net instead of TJSSLSSAS@aol.com (for reasons mentioned above). THANKS :)

<<LADY MYSTIC & FIRESTORM-- Congrats on the 2 year anniversary (or is it 3, I lost count). Best wishes for more great years to come.>> Thanks. :) Fire Storm and I have been together for about 2 years and 4 months. We've known each other for a little over 3 years now. Thanks again! :)

<<I just hope Alison and myself can last as long, if not longer. Long distance relationships are so taxing on people.>> I hope you two have a long, loving, and lasting relationship. I hope your long distance relationship works out. May you two be VERY happy together. :) If I'm not crossing any lines again, how long have you two been a couple?

Roddy McDowall: Terminally ill with cancer! A fine actor who is a favorite in this house. My father is going to be shocked. And McDowall just had his 70th birthday on September 17th. Happy Birthday Roddy!

Thanks for the IA news Sevarius Jr.! I've been asking that question all week. We don't always get a TV Guide (or the like) at my house, because it's not included in the newspaper we get. So I have to rely on other methods of finding out stuff like this, usually by getting a paper that includes the TV Guide from a store.

We also don't get The Disney Channel Magazine! We have the Disney channel, but our cable provider stopped carrying the magazine because "there wasn't enough subscribers of the channel for this location." Subscribers of the channel are supposed to get the magazine free, at least that's what I've been told. So that leaves the Cable Book, which isn't the best listings source. Oh well.
Lady Mystic - [Lady-Mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Saturday, September 19, 1998 09:41:54 AM
IP: dhcp164.visitus.net

Well, to make up for the depressing news of my last post, I've actually got some good news. Today the WB is starting to rerun all the episodes of Invasion America. Check your local listings to see when it's on. Happy Happy Joy Joy!
Sevarius Jr.
Saturday, September 19, 1998 08:57:10 AM
IP: 207-172-45-45.s45.tnt5.brd.erols.com

16 days until the Rising.

I'm also sorry to hear about McDowell. Say, wasn't he also the guy that did the voice of Snowball, Brain's hamster nemesis? I believe that he also played the part of Mordred in the original production of "Camelot".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 07:18:19 AM
IP: pn9-ppp-216.primary.net

Tonights episode of the TGC was Broadway Goes To Hollywood. Merlin Missy wrote the musical.

Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 02:19:23 AM
IP: proxy-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Roddy McDowell? Here's where I really show how old I am -- I remember him best as the fussy butler from a really cheesy movie called Scavenger Hunt, and of course as Peter Vincent, the Great Vampire Killer. Oh, that is a shame. And such a bad way to go. I wish him all the best in whatever is beyond.
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, September 19, 1998 01:01:51 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

[Wilek glides in.]

What would I do without Doug to set me straight on these things? Thanks. One would think a Star Wars freak like me would know such things. Maybe I got mixed up because they have somewhat similar accents. Sometimes I go into mind-lock like that. Thanks again.

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, September 19, 1998 12:19:41 AM
IP: tnt-2-144-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Wilek: C-3PO was played by a previous unknown named Anthony Daniels, not Roddy MacDowall. But Roddy is a great actor anc comic talent, and cancer is a horrible way to die. I too hope he gets better somehow and will hope and pray with such in mind.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, September 18, 1998 11:41:50 PM
IP: hil-dnptm-054.oh.compuserve.net

[Wilek glides in, in complete shock.]

SJ> What...? Roddy McDowall?! Man...he was not only Proteus, but I think C-3PO from the excellent Star Wars movies and several characters from the "Planet Of The Apes" movies, which I've never seen but have heard are excellent. Let's all hope it goes into remission, everyone. That kind of thing has happened before. We of all people know that nothing, nothing, is impossible. Hope and pray.

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Friday, September 18, 1998 11:30:09 PM
IP: tnt-2-144-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hey guys, I hate to be the harbinger of bad news, but I just heard something pretty bad. Roddy McDowall, aka PROTEUS, an actor I've liked for years and whose work I greatly enjoy, is terminally ill with cancer. I just wish his family the best, and hope that he spends his remaining time here on earth happily.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, September 18, 1998 10:41:13 PM
IP: 207-172-45-198.s198.tnt5.brd.erols.com

I sometimes wonder what Merlin (as portrayed in TGS) would think of "The Omen".
Todd
Friday, September 18, 1998 10:39:45 PM
IP: pn6-ppp-26.primary.net

Sevarius Jr.: Yes, thats the episode. I liked that episode!

BTW... just finished watching the omen.
God, what a let down! That movie was NOT that good. My favorite part was the end. (Half beacuse the movie sucked, the other half beacuse the good guys don't win. Ok, ok. So I like sad endings... sometimes.)
Fire Storm - [night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, September 18, 1998 09:50:23 PM
IP: dhcp162.visitus.net

Do you mean that episode of South Park when Jesus fought Satan? That was one funny show my friend. Nothing beats the Mr. Hanky episodes though. HOWDY HOOOOOOO!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, September 18, 1998 06:16:38 PM
IP: 207-172-53-57.s57.tnt4.brd.erols.com

**Coyote enters the room alone, for once.**

Allow me to be brief.

Fire Storm, Void: The Sun workstation OS is called Solaris. Michigan State has a number of Sun computers in its engineering department, which is the only reason why I know this (I *hate* Solaris with a passion!!)

T. Robert Townsend: The only practical thing I learned in college was how good unconsciousness can feel, especially after kicking your own butt for anywhere from 1 1/2 to 14 hours a day (a typical bando's workload in the fall.). Never really got into the kegger krowd, if you know what I mean.

TGS-related (since this *is* the TGS room): Still looking forward to the TGS season premieres. Especially "TimeDancer." Must reread second half of last season's TimeDancer stories as research for my next fic (and I'm pretty sure you can figure out why, especially since the title is "Pas de Deux.").

**Coyote pulls out a pair of glasses he hasn't worn in nearly two years, trudging off to the TGS Archive to do his research. Also grateful, since Buick hasn't made his presence known yet.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, September 18, 1998 06:12:42 PM
IP: 207.91.254.54

Don't forget, everyone, Gargoyles is on Disney tonight! Check your local listings...

T. Robert Townsend> Ha, ha, very funny...no, seriously, that was a pretty cool site you linked us to earlier. "How to keep an idiot busy"...heh, heh...It did keep my brother quite captivated. ;)

See ya'll!
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Friday, September 18, 1998 06:04:26 PM
IP: svm-ts3-18.c2i2.com

Damien: Thanks Christine for the info on the name Damien. I am DEFINATELY going to change the name NOW! <VEG!>
Also, thank you for helping me on that one little dilema. <WEG>

New Name for my Creativity Damien's: Creativity (Hell)Spawn
<And damnit, I don't care if Todd McFairlane or Al DOES get upset. I ain't changing this one. No f'ing way, no f'ing how.>

I mainly chose Creativity Damien beacuse it:
1.) Kinda rhymes with Demon.
2.) Southpark (A show Lady Mystic hates with a PASSION!)
3.) It sounded a little darker than Demons.

Got Phantasmagoria today. Lets see if it is all it's cracked up to be.
Also, rented the 'Omen' from the library today. Ditto.

Void: Operating systems, NON-Windows or DOS: OS/2, Unix (and all variants), MAC OS, Java (Yes, Java.), and whatever runs mainframes, SUN workstations, and super-computers.


Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, September 18, 1998 05:49:57 PM
IP: dhcp158.visitus.net

Void: MAC OS

I am leaqrning things in college, more than what you win more friends with: keg or 24-pack.
T. Robert Townsend
Friday, September 18, 1998 04:02:39 PM
IP: 147.226.113.228

Coming to ya live from a WebTV station here in The God Guys, an electronics store near Beverly Hills. Kinda nice to have some type of internet access while my dad is in chemotherapy. And the TGS comment room looks great on this machine. I'm thoruoughly impressed. If I didn't have a computer, this would actually be pretty nice for basic web surfing. In an case...

WHAT I USE TO BROWSE-- Obviously not WebTV. While I use netscape 4.0 over on campus, I must confess that I use MSIE 4.0 at ome. For me, it just seems to load up the page text faster than Netscape. Though I am waiting for a full release of Netscape 5.0 to see what the pioneers of browsers have come up with thanx to the help of the programming community.

ALTERNATE OS-- Aside from Dos, Windows 3.1/95/98/NT, and the Mac OS, IBM makes OS/2 Warp and there's always Unix, an OS most of the prominent computer users in the fandom here will swear by. BTW, I stick with Win 95. I'd love to Unix my sysem but the rest of my family has to use the computer too, ya know. Oh, Unix does do Windows emulation if you ever miss it.

COMMENT ROOM PURPOSE-- The room was originally made for 2 reasons: 1) to have TGS fans meet and discuss the series and anything else bout the series 2) to seperae TGS comments from comments about the original series that filled up the S8 comment room. Gore wantd a true seperation and so he helped me create this place.

LADY MYSTIC-- Sorry for not answering your e-mail quickly enough. Truth of the matter is that your suggestions were quite helpful. Hopefully an incarnation of TGS website 2.0 will surface by Sep 21st, which happens to be my birthday :)

LADY MYSTIC & FIRESTORM-- Congrats on the 2 year anniversary (or is it 3, I lost count). Best wishes for more great years to come. I just hope Alison and myself can last as long, if not longer. Long distance relationships are so taxing on people.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, September 18, 1998 03:59:17 PM
IP: proxy-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Lady Mystic: Okay, that's fine. Whatever you want. I was never trying to infringe on your RL somehow. :) I'm not sure what post you're referring to where Doug and I gave the impression that we'd been together over a year, maybe we've just been doing that since we feel like we've known each other forever. (I do anyway.) And btw, Sep. 20 is the actual day we first met. October 5th is when we started dating. So we'll kinda be celebrating two anniversaries.

About the lawyer: I agree with whoever said he needs to stay anonymous. That way, he is a lot funnier. Oh, by the way, how did you guys like the dust dragon in Doug's last Blaise-ism? Here in Austin, that's his famous original RPG monster and the scourge of clean freak NPCs everywhere. Keith absolutely adored throwing that monster at us three sessions ago. We had to deal with allergic reactions and dirty gear for days after we killed it. Only the time Jim's character got the Eye of Vecna and the time we had to deliver my character's baby in the middle of a evil Zhentarim army invasion were worse experiences, in retrospect. If any gamers here want stats for that dust dragon for their own games, just ask Doug.

Okay, that's all for now. Later!
Lisa - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Friday, September 18, 1998 01:54:33 PM
IP: fac-b-c8.lib.utexas.edu

I can't believe I'm commenting on South Park ... but their Damien was a direct take on Damien from the Omen. Similar music, that crack about his mother being a real dog (line from the book: "He was born of a jackal! I saw it myself!").

But, referring to my handy Character Naming Sourcebook, it's a female French name meaning "untamed," and the Dictionart of First Names says it's masculine, from the Greek, an alternate form of Damon, and means "divine power" or "fate" and Damon is then from the Latin, meaning "spirit or demon."

Yes! I am the mistress of more than people ever wanted to know! About many, many topics! <evil grin>

Mandi > I'll have to check the list; Tim, the Organization King, has all that stuff hidden away someplace ... will let you know!
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, September 18, 1998 01:49:47 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

just curious, does anyone know of a OS that isn't windows or dos?
Void
Friday, September 18, 1998 11:32:22 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-20-85.stlsmo.swbell.net

Firestorm> Do you think Netscape will try to make themself a wedge in the OS market? I don't think they would have much success unless they made it to where it could run programs that Windows could, because the market is all geared towards win95 and soon to be the not-so-new-and-improved-win98. I think it sucks, but facts is facts, Microsoft has the market monopolized. hey, that's a thought, maybe the government will be able to catch the slippery little creep and get him on the anti-trust laws, despite their failing the first time *evil grin*
Void - [strangeone@iname.com]
Friday, September 18, 1998 11:31:19 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-20-85.stlsmo.swbell.net

Wilek, Mandi, & Coyote: All right. Thanks for the MSTie thing. I've seen the abbreviation used before, but since I'm not a MST fan, I don't really follow any of that stuff. And the reason why I typed MiST was because Mandi had typed it that way, and I had used hers as a reference. Well, thanks anyway. :)

Coyote: <<As for the worm in the bottle of tequila ... the problem with the worm is that it sucks up and concentrates alcohol. My brother told me the reason why he doesn't drink anymore is because he got the worm at a New Year's Eve party. He woke up New Year's Day in some strange woman's bathtub in his underwear, and he had no idea how he got there (the last thing he remembered was getting the worm.).>> I know a lot about alcohol. Like I've said, my father is a recovering alcoholic, which basically means "once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic -- even when you don't drink anymore." He knows a LOT about alcohol. I've learned a lot from him and from books. From what I know, yes the worm is highly concentrated. But as my father has just told me, and from what I already know, the worm would have had little to do with your brother's black out. Black outs don't come on quickly. They are produced when there is a build up of alcohol in the system. What he remembers last is not necessarily what may have caused the black out, but it is usually an indication of when the black out started. Black outs don't work THAT fast. But they can work fast. It depends on a number of things: how much he had already consumed that night, how much he had consumed in a minimum of a 24 hour period, how much of a drinker he already is, what he drank, what and how much he ate in that 24 hour period, what his body can handle -- his alcohol tolerance, and his mental state and physical state at that time. Black outs are also a sign that the body can't handle the alcohol intake anymore. So it's a good thing that your brother doesn't drink anymore. :) Out of safety, has he been tested for AIDS and STDs since that incident? If not, maybe he should. Actually, I would recommend that he definitely get tested. (I'm a big advocate of STD prevention.) VERY scary things can happen to people when they black out. What makes it the scariest for the individual in question is that they were still active and awake when they blacked out, and that they don't remember a thing.

Lisa: I still feel like declining. Thanks for understanding. I'm just not interested enough in being a member of your gang. I still have my own opinions about this topic that I won't mention at this time. And I still find your club (is that what you'd call it, I'm not sure?) very different than a Gargoyles Clan. Your club has too many main topics of interest to be very similar to a Gargoyles Clan. But that's great for a club like yours -- all members are together in the same area, and there's nothing wrong with that. I just find that it deals with too many activities that require physical interaction to have any real bearing on world wide internet members, of which there will be very little, if any, physical interaction. While a Gargoyles Clan has mainly one topic of interest that doesn't require physical interaction, and can take place world wide since its topics don't center on physical activities between members (that is, you don't have to "hang out"). Even though physical interaction doesn't hurt any, it's probably not something that is a must. So basically, I'm just not interested in your type of club. [Everyone:] Since I'm not a member of a Gargoyles Clan these are just my assumptions, so please don't get offended by what I say. <:)

Lisa: << The reason you got confused about our anniversary was that Doug forgot it was Sunday when he informed everyone it was "this Sunday." Little error on his part. Our actual anniversary is Sunday, Sep. 20. And thanks for the congrats, we will have fun.>> Your welcome. But that's not the reason why I got confused about the anniversary. I had understood his comment when he made it. (Does that make me one of the few who DID understand what he actually meant?! ;)) What had confused me was the fact that I thought that you and Doug had already mentioned (or at least gave the impression of) being together for over a year, and that you had already passed your first year anniversary. I can't remember when the statement was made, but I think it was somewhere around the early part of the summer -- June, July, maybe early August. Anyway, congratulations! :)

If any of you are wondering, Fire Storm and I already had our 2nd anniversary this year. And we already had our 3rd anniversary celebrating the time we first met (if people even celebrate it). Wow, it's going on ... <G>

Wilek: << [Miriam turns Demona into a human baby. Wilek laughs evilly at the thought of the person who ruined his good name here being a tiny cute example of the species she hates most, to be cared for by humans, to be able to do nothing but eat, cry, and mess her diapers until the end of time.] Thank you to who ever had that idea. I'll return here shortly.>> That, my friend, was me! :) Thank you, thank you. **Lady Mystic bows and smiles** <G>

Mini-poll: I use Netscape, of which my mate introduced me to. :) But since I have AOL, then I guess I use Explorer sometimes too.

Brian: Oh. <laughs> So, the reason why you asked the question was to gather some "answers" to tell people if they should happen to ask you that question? Also, I take it that you have never had a SO then? :( I can't see why.

The One Eyed Squid: Welcome back!

Gargoyles on Disney: Thanks for the note Theresa! :) Maybe I'll remember to watch it this time. I keep missing it.

Does anyone know exactly when Invasion America will be airing?

Creativity Damiens: I agree with you Todd. I liked the idea of it in the beginning, but there was always this uncomfortable feeling that grew with each time I saw it used. I've talked to the creator of the "Creativity Demons Spin Off" (Fire Storm) and while he understands your plea he has gotten quite attached to the name. I am currently trying to make a compromise with him concerning an alternate name or reverting back to the original term. I'm not sure what the outcome will be, but we're discussing it.

Fire Storm created the alternate name, not to frown upon the name Damien, but to describe the more hideous, twisted, and "darker" Creativity Demons. At least with Fire Storm and I, every time we use the term, we always feel honor for the ones who created the term "Creativity Demons". Every time we use the term "Creativity Damiens", we are just adding to the worship of the term "Creativity Demons." In an odd way, yes, but a way nonetheless.

But Fire Storm didn't fashion the name after the character from "The Omen." He has never seen the "Omen" movies. He got the name from South Park. The show used the name for "the son of Satan." He liked it. He wanted a term to differentiate between normal creativity demons and "very dark" creativity demons. He wanted to use a word that: (1) described that feel, (2) paralleled the forces that were darker and eviler than demons, and (3) that sounded very similar to the word "demons." "Damiens" just fit too well.
Lady Mystic - [TJSSLSSAS@aol.com]
Dearborn, MI
Friday, September 18, 1998 08:05:40 AM
IP: dhcp229.visitus.net

Christine: YAAAAAYYYY!!!! **does her little insane happy dance** Finally! Um, do you have me down for a pre-order? I think I did e-mail you, but a lot of my messages have been bouncing this past month.

And of course I use Netscape! Why wait for IE to load all this junk I don't use? (Is it just me, or is MS Outlook a bit too overloaded--it takes forever to load up even on my roomie's new PC!)

Uh-oh. I'd better get breakfast before it's all gone.

**Mandi dashes out the door. Behind her, Bronx, Cavall, and Nudnik follow, hot on the scent of [Marriott] food. Considering how much the folks here slack off in food prep, they must be hungry. Buick follows, having ripped off Brooklyn and Lex's motorcycle.**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 18, 1998 07:30:38 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

17 days until the Rising.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, September 18, 1998 07:23:31 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-136.primary.net

Gargoyles will be on the Disney channel tonight.
11:15 Mountain Daylight.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, September 18, 1998 06:35:50 AM
IP: proxy-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net

[Wilek glides in.]

Damien name debate> Well...the only reason I wanted to change the name in the first place was Todd's worry that real Damiens may be offended. I'm ticked off at the little boogers (the Creativity Damiens I mean, not any real Damiens) for starting several flame wars. However, there don't seem to be any real Damiens around. Official Creativity Damien Disclaimer: The dark and malevolent entities known as Creativity Damiens are not intended to represent, satire, or slander any real human, gargoyle, Fey, cyborg, mutate, alien, or other sentient being named Damien. If someone files a grievance, we'll change it. And I'm beginning to rethink naming the Lawyer, although perhaps I can use the current name, Brennan Robert Carter Vogel, in a story or something.

Well, I'm off. [Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Friday, September 18, 1998 01:14:23 AM
IP: tnt-2-48-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Must dash off to work, but please see my exuberant post in the other comment room regarding the latest book news! ; )
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, September 18, 1998 01:03:32 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Personally, I can't wait for Netscapes version of a operating system.

Creativity Demons: Ghouls
Creativity Damiens: Damiens or Hell Spawn. <G>

But personally, I TOTALLY object to changing the name. What about Newbies? Besides being totally confused by the term Blaiseism's already.
And do we REALLY need a name for the TGS lawyer? We're gonna kill'em anyway, why put a name and face on that body thats stinking in the corner?
And besides... anonymity is the best part of the lawyers character.
(Lady Mystic agrees with me TOTALLY!)

Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, September 18, 1998 12:17:20 AM
IP: dhcp194.visitus.net

Need a moment's distraction for an otherwise boring day on the web?

Tired of websites that its just click, click, click, sorry... that file does not exist?

Tired of the same old Cliton jokes, porn, ads, Leo pics, and horrible midi files?

Have I found a site for you!

just click my name...
T. Robert Townsend
Friday, September 18, 1998 12:13:19 AM
IP: 147.226.113.228

[Wilek glides in.]

Todd> Perhaps you're right. Fire Storm invented the name "Creativity Damiens" for his darker muse, after the evil child from "The Omen"; I used it to describe the forces that Miriam has been containing so they don't do any more damage. New name: Ghouls. The original name "Creativity Demons" will still be used to describe sudden and creative ideas that aren't necessarily evil.

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, September 17, 1998 11:27:15 PM
IP: tnt-2-48-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Can we call them "creativity demons" rather than "creativity Damiens", please? Calling them the latter may be seen as a slap in the face to everyone in the world named Damien. Besides, I'm a bit of a conservative, and like the original name better :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 17, 1998 11:19:17 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-78.primary.net

[Wilek glides in.]

Brian> It *does* take doggoyles to make more doggoyles. Doggoyles are as far separated from humanoid gargs as monkeys are from humans, and in the same way. They can't give birth to members of each others' species; this was covered in "Ask Greg". And "ghouls" is a good name for creativity Damiens, at least the evil, mind-assaulting, flame-war-starting variety. Thanks. Anyone else? Oh, BTW, Miriam used a box of FS' cereal to snag the last few Damiens. Read back; you'll find it.

Bye. [Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:35:29 PM
IP: tnt-2-48-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

(Doug walks in, dressed in his janitor garb and ready to resume his community service.)

Brian: Miriam took care of the creativity demons. They're gone now. Don't worry. (sinister giggles echo throughout the CR.)

What do I think will happen on New Year's 2000? Well, my fanfic saga won't be finished. Of that you can be sure. IRL, I agree with Brian that a lot of folks will die but probably due to wacked-out terrorists' activity and millenium bug-spawned riots rather than an actual Armageddon. Whenever the real thing comes, I'm worried, but I know I'm ready for it and have confidence that both me and Lisa will be on the good side in that fight. If he's still around at the time, and if he ends up on the side I know he will I look forward to kicking Pastor John Gould's ass. (BTW, he's a street preacher her at UT. Major jerkhead, preaches about hateful and vengeful 'God' one day sending everyone without his close-minded religous right psychotic mentality to hell. Everyone I know loves to hate the guy.)

That's my response to your questions. Later!

(The TGS lawyer suddenly walks in, followed by a gigantic dust-brown dragon. The dragon blows its breath weapon, heavy clouds of dust, all over the comment room as the lawyer laughs his head off. Doug growls and pulls out his shotgun. The lawyer and dragon disappear in a puff of smoke. Doug sneezes, swears loudly, and begins to clean up the awful mess they left behind.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:31:32 PM
IP: ad05-058.arl.compuserve.com

(The sound of powerful engines is heard outside the comment room as well as the sound of dust and rocks being thrown against the wall . of the building , then everything goes quiet . Brian enters the room in fighter pilot standard issue garb .)

Night all .

Lady Mystic : I lied , I wanted the information to get you to admit to things which might not be viewed as correct in the eyes of God . I'm not serious by the way , some people often ask for my advice and/or opinion on matters akin to this , I hate to be unable to answer them so I want to be ready should the opportunity to redeem myself ever arise .

Doug and Lisa : What ever happened to the Creativity Demon (we really need to find some slang for them) , it just kinda died there for me , or did I miss the final instalment .

Mini poll :
Server : Explorer and Netscape
Type of Gargoyles movie Preferred (animated or actors ) : Animated .
Proposed slang for Creativity demons : Ghouls .

(A loud zapping sound followed be sizzles and pops are heard outside the room .Brian turns and looks outside .) I told Buick to stay away from the jet . I got caught with that thing on a mild charge and it nearly killed me . thankfully gargoyles are a bit more risillient .

Hmm , given that it does'nt take Gar beasts to make Gar beasts I wonder what it would be like if one of the humanoid ones ended up being brother/sister to one . And does it work the other way around , if two garbeasts mated could they have a humanoid Gargoyle . (Oppinions encouaged)

Miriam : How do you handle all that stuff going on inside your mind . Personallly I have enough trouble imagining myslf to to having budding unnatural abilities . Learning difficult things quickly however (such as mind oriented piloting ) is very useful .)

What do you think will happen on New Years 1999 :
I think that alot of people are going to die , but not because of armageddon . But I do'nt believe that Armageddon will occur then . I think it will happen when we least expect it . Just like Christ said , I can only hope to be ready . Hmmm , the creativity demons are starting to stir .

How goes the Gargoyles RPG that I have been hearing about , (I got addicted to FF7 while I was in Washington and I need a fix BAD .)

(Brian pulls out a piece of paper with the stamp of a prominent law firm , and scans the note .) OK , given the trouble I have caused , I am being instructed to ask you to please disregard my last comment about Creativity Damiens Cereal . I have complyed with this because I had a lunch with the person who told me scheduled for today and when I called his family they said he had been missing since yesterday .

(Brian pulls out a key ring and presses the button deactivating the defense mechanisms , he turns , waves goodbye and in doing so fails to notice Buick running for the cocpit , he turns around mutters a string of curses and runs for the plane beating Buick to it by the nose . He activates the engines and takes off , while sending dust clouds everywhere .)
Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:11:19 PM
IP: 208.11.41.199

I too use Netscape. And I am currently building an army of clones that will depose Mr. Gates, and replace him with me, as your rightful Ruler of the World. Sorry Bill, but remember back in college, when your Orc killed my Elf in Advanced D & D? I told you I'd get even. Payback's a bitch pal.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 09:35:29 PM
IP: 207-172-41-180.s180.tnt10.brd.erols.com

[Wilek glides in on an updraft generated by the heat being emitted by the flame shooting out of the mouth of Spoony, the Shih Tzu puppy belonging to Wilek's bizarre neighbors the Del Fudgios.]

I use MSIE, but only because it came with my ISP's software package and I can't be troubled to download Netscape. [Wilek begins sprouting Borg implants.] WE ARE MICROSOFT. NETSCAPE IS FUTILE. YOUR PC WILL BE ASSIMILATED. FROM THIS TIME FORWARD, YOUR PC WILL SERVICE US. [The implants disappear.] Whoa, that was strange.

Todd> No offense; I just wanted to do that just once. It's out of my system now. 18 days? I was going by the counter at the TGS website. Is it wrong...? Hmm.

Coyote The Bando> You're welcome. Again. :) No problem; after coming up with something as kewl as WCC, you *deserve* a few favors.

Well, if there's nothing else for me to say, I'll leave. Down, puppy! [Spoony stops breathing fire.] Thank you. Spoony's adorable, but a little dangerous to be around. Oh, and he's the second most normal member of the Del Fudgio household. That should tell you something. Ciao! [Wilek glides off.]
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, September 17, 1998 09:18:03 PM
IP: tnt-1-218-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

I use Netscape, even though Bill Gates is a robot which I control. By rights, Microsoft is mine. Everything you know is a lie, and this world will sef-destruct in 5...
4...
3...
2...
T. Robert Townsend
Thursday, September 17, 1998 09:14:06 PM
IP: 147.226.113.228

Firestorm> I too am a servant of the Master Bill Gates. I use Explorer. ;)
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Thursday, September 17, 1998 07:57:57 PM
IP: svm-ts7-5.c2i2.com

Firestorm> *returns the high 5* I think he should be taken down too, but no one seems to be able to do it! It seems everytime he finds a competitor, he simply offers a lower quality service of a similar nature with his OS and gets a new foothold! The man is evil.....

*looks at squid warily and edges away* I fear this one may be too corrupted to save.... perhaps a good dose of netscape shall revive him?
Void - [strangeone@iname.com]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 06:43:23 PM
IP: gatekeeper.fontbonne.edu

Firestorm... all I have to say is wow! "Alone" was great I could go on and on about it but instead I suggest everyone read it for themselves.
LATER!
DojiNick - [dojinick@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 03:03:38 PM
IP: 207-172-150-104.s41.as9.anp.erols.com

*The One Eyed Squid enters with a strange look in it's eye*

Greetings

Poll: I am an eternal sevent to my Master, Bill Gates. Soon he shall rule the net. He, in all his glory shall cruch the infidel Steave Case, and crush the demonic Netscape and all other browsers. Glory to he who is great. Hail Microsoft!

*The One Eyed Squid blinks*

"Hah, how'd I get in here, I must have been using Internet Explorer for too long again. I didn't say anything starange did I?"

*The One Eyed Squid runs out of the Comment Room*
The One Eyed Squid - [Sigma28@aol.com]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 02:41:12 PM
IP: 166.109.180.32

*A portal opens up in the floor and a computer sitting on a desk rises up. Cassandra throws open the door to the CR so hard it leaves a dent in the wall that it slammed against. In her hands is a Quarryman hammer and her eyes are glowing red.*

THERE YOU ARE! *She runs to the computer, holding the hammer over head and roaring at the top of her lungs. The hammer lands on the monitor first. Glass and plastic fly across the CR.* DIE! DIE! DIE! *Once the computer (and the desk it was sitting on) are reduced to bits, Cassandra stops beating it with hammer. She takes a deep breath, tosses the hammer on the pile of rubble, and opens the portal again. The pile slowly sinks from sight and she turns to everybody in the CR.*

Let the computer lab try to figure that out.

Sorry, that display was very childish and immature and a 3000+ year old gargoyle should know better, but damn it felt good! It wasn't my computer, but a computer in the school's lab that erased the disk that held my completed fanfic. The one I've been working on ALL SUMMER! It didn't just erase it, it did something so no computer recognizes it. And I only found this out when I was about to submit it to the Gargoyles-fans fanfic archive! And I don't think I have a complete version on my hard drive at home. But I do have one hard copy, so I can retype the story if necessary. Dear Zues, I hope I don't have to do that!

Demona having a baby>Didn't Greg Weisman say that she could, despite changing from gargoyle to human?

*Creativity demon flies up and whispers into Cassandra's ear. She giggles.*

That is funny. Demona has sex with a human while she human. Then in gargoyle form, she lays an egg. Nine months later, the human baby hatches. Now she gets to do all the raising she missed with Angela, but it a HUMAN baby. And it's HER human baby. I like that one.

*Cassandra looks up to she the CR lawyer's assistant (the one she turned into a frog before) looking at the mess she made with the door and the scattered pieces of computer and wood and muttering to himself. She sighs. "All right, here." She pulls a coin out of a pocket in her tunic and tosses it to him. "The last time I spent one of those, it was only worth a few cents. But in 3000 years who knows?" She shrugs as he runs off. "I'll just clean up the rest." She conjures up a lyre and starts playing "The Sorcerer's Apprentice". The brooms come marching through the door, sweep the CR clean, and follow Cassandra out.
Cassandra - [nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 01:34:30 PM
IP: 204.196.32.65

Mini-poll: Lisa and I both use Netscape.
Doug
Thursday, September 17, 1998 12:29:53 PM
IP: hd17-220.hil.compuserve.com

**Coyote enters the room, dancing as he was in the other CR, freed from having to go into a bodycast by Miriam's spell.**

Miriam: Thanks again.

Mini-poll: I have to use MSIE because Netscape is too big for my computer. Yes, I confess, I'm forced to help line the pockets of Bill Gates, who I'm convinced is one of Nostradamus' three Antichrists (the other two being Martha Stewart and Barney.).

**Coyote nods curtly, ends his dance and begins another one, this one a Celtic clog-dance. Suddenly, Michael Flatley enters the room trying to serve Coyote with a copyright infringement suit. However, the spirit of the dance obsorbs him, and Coyote and Flatley link arms and dance out of the room.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, September 17, 1998 12:01:30 PM
IP: 207.91.254.69

Sevarius Jr: Yep. Jackal and Hyena are like that.
Wait and see.

Void: NETSCAPE! YES! <High fives Void>
Down with Microsoft!

Little survey: Who is using Netscape and who is using Explorer. (Hint: AOL's browser is by default is Exlporer.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 11:50:30 AM
IP: dhcp249.visitus.net

Coyote: I too think Joel Hodgeson is a genius. I liked him much better than Mike Nelson. I don't know, I think MST3K lost something when Joel left. Personally, nothing is funnier than the classic MST3K episode "Manos the Hands of Fate." Torgo rules!

Wilek: Vatican? Q Continuum? God, that's amazing, they never return any of MY calls. Lord knows I've tried...

Fire Storm: I never knew Jackal and Hyena...felt that way about each other. But it makes sense I guess, Hyena would probably get freaky with a toaster...
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:36:07 AM
IP: 207-172-41-48.s48.tnt10.brd.erols.com

*shudders at the mention of the satan-incarnate-absolutely-currupt-not-so-lovable-microsoft*
Wilek> I guess IE does have some goodpoints, but I personally prefer Netscape, I find that it navigates better and has tools that are easier to access (not to mention the fact that big daddy Gates has his thumb in enough pies with out giving him another :))
Void - [strangeone@iname.com]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:00:16 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-22-66.stlsmo.swbell.net

Ahem, Wilek - that's *my* job!

18 days until the Rising.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 17, 1998 07:45:56 AM
IP: pn9-ppp-200.primary.net

[Miriam comes in.]

Disclaimer: Mr. Nereus' previous post was offered in the sense of fun and frivolity. Two concepts with which I am unfamiliar, but Mr. Nereus is concerned, hopefully unfoundedly, that his previous post may set off a flame war. Mr. Nereus apologizes in advance to anyone he may have, as he might put it, "ticked off". If you would all look into this please...

[Miriam removes what looks like a shiny tire pressure gauge from her pocket and opens it. She points it outward and presses a button. A flash is seen.] Thank you. [Miriam leaves.]
Miriam Baxter
Thursday, September 17, 1998 03:11:09 AM
IP: tnt-2-189-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Wilek glides in.]

Can I do this one, PLEEZ? <anime eyes> [Todd says, "OK".] THANK YOU! [Wilek clears his throat and announces:] 17 days until The Rising. Thanks again!

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, September 17, 1998 01:48:21 AM
IP: tnt-2-189-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Wilek glides in just as Miriam is casting an industrial-strength healing spell on Coyote. The other room dwellers are laughing various appendages off at the hilarious on-screen spectacle of Fang and Demona under Miriam's dreadful geas.]

Hi everyone. Hmm. Let's review: Miriam has high-tech weapons, training in magic, either Jedi power or training in the use of a lightsaber, McGyver-scale mechanical skills, incredible marksmanship, experience with infiltration and espionage and possibly asassination, and she can get the Vatican and the Q Continuum to answer her phone calls. OK, she's Officially Creeping Me Out. (The fact that her cell phone can call the Q Continuum at all gets me nervous.)

Lisa> Hmm. Maybe it's your browser; I use MSIE 3.02 and it works.

Well, off to do various things. [Wilek glides off.]
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, September 17, 1998 12:41:35 AM
IP: tnt-2-189-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Wilek: That's what I've been doing and still no repost. (And yes, we've reloaded this page into the computer's cache several times, so that's not it.)
Lisa - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 17, 1998 12:20:55 AM
IP: chi-dnnvp-001.il.compuserve.net

**A distant scream is heard, accompanied by a gunning car engine. Suddenly one wall of the CR collapses, as Coyote appears, in a wheelchair, being pushed by a Detroit police cruiser being driven by Buick. Buick hits the brakes, and Coyote goes flying out of the wheelchair and slams against the opposite wall.**

Owww ...

Wilek: I don't think Buick's getting the cars from your neighbors ... I'd love to hear where he got this one ... if every bone in my body weren't broken ...

**Coyote falls unconscious. Buick sniffs his lifeless body, grabs his shirt, pulls him into the police cruiser and drives off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:16:33 PM
IP: 207.91.254.29

Thanks Doug! *chuckles* now if I can only get to checking the room more often, I could not get lost in the flood of comments and figure out something to add! *grin*
*sits in the back and lurks in the meantime*
Void - [Strangeone@iname.com]
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:49:12 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-21-187.stlsmo.swbell.net

[The screen lights up with an image of Wilek in his gargoyle form in front of Demona's cell in the Labyrinth, next to Fang's cell. Fang looks up and says "Hi, Mom," his voice dripping with sarcasm. He then fingers the camera. Miriam puts him under the Curses of the Eternal Macarena and Laryngitis.]

Hello, all. The paralysis wore off a while back. Now, Demona, if you'd like to avoid the fate of friend Fang, you'll tell me just what you meant by getting revenge.

[Demona replies, "Fool. Haven't you figured it out by now?! Those creatures. You call them Damiens. I release them. You get posessed by them and, under their influence, start wars and enmities with all these other fools. In the confusion, I assume control of Station Eight and use it to hypnotize all humans into killing themselves." Wilek glares at her darkly.]

You mean *you're* the one behind the whole argument I had with Christine a while back?!

["What the !@#$% do you think? I knew you respected the humans, that you valued their friendship. You and little Miriam were the greatest threat to my plans. I sow discord between you and everyone else, you and Miriam never come here again, everyone is off their guard for a while, and I tango in and kill humanity. You're a gargoyle, for Oberon's sake! Can't you see that our race is the rightful inheritor of Earth?" By now, Wilek is mad enough to kill her. But he has something much worse in mind.]

No one calls my friends fools, Demmy. Miriam, use the very, very special spell. [Miriam turns Demona into a human baby. Wilek laughs evilly at the thought of the person who ruined his good name here being a tiny cute example of the species she hates most, to be cared for by humans, to be able to do nothing but eat, cry, and mess her diapers until the end of time.] Thank you to whoever had that idea. I'll return here shortly. Come, Miriam; our work here is done. [The screen shuts down.]
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 09:09:36 PM
IP: tnt-2-189-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

YES!
I FINALLY am starting to use up some of my web space!

My link FINALLY has a page with all of my stories.

Go on.
Read.
If you DARE! <Laughs manicaly!>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 07:58:33 PM
IP: dhcp243.visitus.net

[Wilek is fighting Demona in her Dominique form.]

Coyote The Bando> I think I know where Buick is getting those convertibles--my wacko neighbors, the Del Fudgios. Remind me to tell you about them later--when I'm not quite so busy with demented psychotic depressed human-hating half human half gargoyle babes. Ack, if you take it a certain way, that sounds like the description for one of Christine's stories. :) (Just kidding, Christine.) I'm FIGHTING Demona, if you're wondering.

Also, whoever wanted a repost feature: At the submit form, press the Back button instead of the hyperlink, then press Forward to return to the submit form.

[Wilek manages to hold his ground, then Miriam comes in and shoots Demona with a paralysis weapon; she can no longer move from the neck down.] Alright, why are you here? What do you want? ["Can't you see? I want revenge. If it weren't for *you* and your little uber-maid, my plan to take over Station Eight would have succeeded. I could have ended the entire blasted human race with a spoken word--but no, *you* and Miriam had to reverse the spell, you human-loving traitor!" Wilek is royally ticked by now.] Miriam, call security and have them take her to the Labyrinth. Quickly, before the paralyzer wears off. I expect her usual cell is still vacant.
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 04:51:31 PM
IP: tnt-2-119-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Human Wilek comes in.]

Mandi> I think they don't much like long RP/Blaisism sagas in the other CR; short but kewl entrances such as Blaise himself is famous for are quite alright. Of course, people seem more receptive here.

I don't think Demona and Macbeth would feel each other's pleasure. Think. The Weird Sisters' linking spell read, in part, "And each the other's *pain* resound"; I'm not sure that would cover other tactile sensations. As for Miriam not being *that* particular MIB...Christine's probably right.

[Counselor Troi speaks from the corner: "She's lying, Wilek."] WHAT?! How can you...you're not Troi. MIRIAM!!! I'll need some backup! ["Troi" bolts for the door. Wilek knocks her down and rips off her hair--it's a wig. This is a redhead--namely Demona, in her Dominique Destine guise. The battle begins...]
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 04:34:48 PM
IP: tnt-2-119-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Lady Mystic/Coyote: Don't quote me, but I think it's MiSTie. I'm technically a newbie at this, meaning I've only got one finished MiSTing on the Net currently. Click on my name to check out Mike Neylon's extensive MiSTing archive. <SHAMELESS PLUG> Under the "Date" link, scroll down to August and read the MiSTing of "Learn the Secret to Attract Women Easily." </SHAMELESS PLUG> BTW, I don't drink or smoke either despite my hall. Okay, I'll get back on topic now.

About Demona and Macbeth having a child -- I think it would be more possible only because in this case, both parents would be immortal, and perhaps something in their genealogy to that end might protect the child.

Out of curiosity, how severely are Blaise-isms frowned upon in the S8 Garg CR? Is it just lengthy Blaise-isms or unusual entrances in general?

that's all...
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 01:21:05 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Wilek > whether Miriam is MIB or not, she is not the MIB from my fic. Just thought I'd state that for the record.

Re: Demona and MacBeth > "Passions" and "Ever After" and "Baby Makes Three" give my stance on the topic, which was to assume that if they felt each others' pain, mightn't they feel each others' pleasure? ; )
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 12:12:42 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Wilek: It's okay, apology accepted. You're right, Miriam could have been trained by MIB.

Lady Mystic: The Ravens are not a gang, we're not career criminals. We're just a group of friends who like to do stuff together and help each other out when trouble comes. We're kinda like a clan that way. :) If you don't want to join, that's alright. We're still friends.

The reason you got confused about our anniversary was that Doug forgot it was Sunday when he informed everyone it was "this Sunday." Little error on his part. Our actual anniversary is Sunday, Sep. 20. And thanks for the congrats, we will have fun.

The repost feature I was talking about was the deal where in this room before S8 crashed and had to be rebuilt, I could go out of this add comment page with the back button to check if there was anything new said in the CR by others and when I came back, the stuff I typed would still be here. It's still like that in the regular Gargs CR at S8. Some of us would like to see it that way here, too. But until then, we'll just keep the CR in a different Netscape window, as that takes care of the problem nicely.

That's all for now. Later!
Lisa - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:28:25 AM
IP: 199.174.204.36

**Coyote enters the room, no longer rolling as he was in the other CR, but walking with a limp.**

Grrrr ... I'll get that beast yet!

Lady Mystic: Wilek had it right about the term "MiSTie." One thing to say about MST3K, I must add it here: Joel Hodgson (creator of MST3K) is a GENIUS!
As for the worm in the bottle of tequila ... the problem with the worm is that it sucks up and concentrates alcohol. My brother told me the reason why he doesn't drink anymore is because he got the worm at a New Year's Eve party. He woke up New Year's Day in some strange woman's bathtub in his underwear, and he had no idea how he got there (the last thing he remembered was getting the worm.).

Hmmm ... 19 days ... well, I'll just have to sit on my hands until then, won't I? ;)

**Coyote turns to leave, but suddenly Buick zooms in the room, this time driving a *blue* convertible, and runs over Coyote's *other* foot.**

EEEYOW!! That's it, he's TOAST!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:15:56 AM
IP: 207.91.254.34

[Wilek comes in in his human form.]

Lady Mystic> I think it's MSTie, not MiST. And if I'm not mistaken, they're referring to the sprinkling of humorous comments throughout a fanfic, like Mystery Science Theater 3000 does with movies.

Are Blaisism sagas allowed in here? It seems like they're rather frowned upon lately in the other CR, and my orbital shipyard, the Dark Star, is going to waste just sitting there.

Well, I must go. Things to which I must attend, and all that. [Wilek takes a step toward the balcony, realizes what he was about to do, and leaves via the elevator.] This takes some getting used to.
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:08:26 AM
IP: tnt-1-237-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Ravyn: <<Lady Mystic> All right, ya caught me. That was my character Alex as I wrote for him.>> **laughs** I though that was the case. << In real life, I probably wouldn't be able to get the guy he's modeled after anywhere near my computer. Oh well.>> Aww, keep up the hope. You never know what could happen in the future. I was never looking for a companion and look what happened to me. I think it works out best that way. Less stressful, no anxiety over the fact of not having anyone. Besides, becoming friends with someone gives you a better chance of being that much closer to getting him interested in you. It may not work all the time, but it's better than pining over someone from afar and never taking the chance of actually trying to have some type of relationship with the person. And if it turns out that he only wants to be friends, then at least you have another friend to cherish. :) <<Does anyone want me to keep bringing him back?>> That's up to your own discretion. I have no problem with that. Just don't let the RP and Blaisisms get too out of hand. :)

Doug & Lisa: << I would accept your invitation into the Black Ravens, but I have ruled for too long to follow anyone now. Sorry. ~Fire Storm>> Basically, what FS meant was that he likes the solo thing. However, I'm the only exception to that principle. Ahh, maybe Fire Storm should explain it. And, I thought you two already had an anniversary? Happy Anniversary anyway. :)

I am really not interested in joining any gangs, except maybe a Gargoyles Clan. To me the two are VERY different. I have my own reasons for not wanting to join. I also have my own opinions on the matter, but I will not voice them at this time. Maybe someday I'll explain, but at present this is all I feel comfortable saying.

Brian: <<Lady Mystic: About the mix up, its just that when I read "current", unless its preceded by a "then", I think in terms of present tense. And I never though that Doug and Lisa's relationship was queer, just maybe fictional.>> Thanks for the clarification. And out of curiosity, why shouldn't one swallow the worm in tequila? My father, a recovering alcoholic (hasn't touched a drop of alcohol in 20 years), says that it "doesn't do any harm -- just a little meat."

FYI: No, Fire Storm and I do not drink alcohol. If anything, we only use it in cooking. And on the general topic, we neither smoke nor take drugs.

Christine, Mandi, and Coyote: You're not alone either. While I haven't written fanfic, I have written other fiction. And I get an occasional feeling that I won't be able to live up to certain stories of mine. And Fire Storm can tell ya! I am my worst critic! He criticizes me over the fact that I criticize myself! ;)

Mandi/Coyote: What in the world does MiST mean?

Lisa: <<Second! (Man, they still haven't put back this CR's repost feature!) ~Lisa>> I don't think there ever was a repost feature. I checked my CR archives. The only thing of which we had in the way of a button missing on the current Add Comment Page is the "reset" button. And that was replaced with the "clear" button. They both mean the same thing. And besides, why would you want a repost button? The room isn't set up the same way chat rooms are, where repetitive posting is a given.

Brian: <<Fire Storm and Lady Mystic: How do you too celebrate your anniversaries...>> Hmm... well we went out for our previous anniversary. You know all dressed up and such for the occasion. But with the way our schedules are these days, our celebrations are any time we get dressed up and go out on a date. Other than that, well we've given each other presents, gone to our favorite places, and done special things at home (watch movies, make meals together, *other*). <<Note: I am trying to get ideas for a friend.>> Out of curiosity, could you clarify please?

19 days until the Rising: OOOOH, I can't wait! :)
Lady Mystic - [TJSSLSSAS@aol.com]
Dearborn, MI
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 08:11:59 AM
IP: 174-6-201.ipt.aol.com

19 days until the Rising.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 07:38:39 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-103.primary.net

**Mandi comes in, basking in the comment room's air conditioning.**

Sevarius Jr -- Yeah, as in Nintendo, kind of. It's that Saturday morning NBC cartoon from back in '89 that was almost entirely based around Nintendo games. Personally, thw two NES games I most fondly recall trying to beat were Mario 3 and StarTropics. Click on my name to go to "The N-Files", the aforementioned crossover (if you dare!)

Wilek: I don't know, some of them could've been mine. Think about it--a Gargs/CitC crossover? It turned out to be hysterical, but doesn't the mere premise sound evil and psychotic?

(yawns) Ugh, I really need some caffeine big time. Until later!

**Mandi waves and stumbles back into non-A/C "Real Life."**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 07:32:38 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

[Wilek glides back in.]

Ack, it wasn't Doug who offered a list of where Miriam might have been trained, it was Lisa. My apologies. I am *very* tired tonight. Uh oh--[A creativity Damien leaves Wilek. Miriam captures it.] I though we caught all those spoony little bards. Hmm. Miriam, do you have a spell to extract all the Damiens that are in a person? [Miriam does the same capture ritual, but at Wilek instead of a Damien. Seven more Damiens fly out of him and are captured.] Thanks Miriam. Where the bleep are those things coming from?!

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 01:30:30 AM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Wilek glides in.]

Good job getting those Damiens, Miriam. BTW, current name for our universally hated TGS CR lawyer: Brennan Robert Carter Vogel, aka Dark Vogel. BTW, he's the only lawyer we have, not counting all his clones. He is one tough booger to kill; believe me, I've tried. In one Blaisism saga, the Black Ravens, Miriam, HFS, Bubba, and myself all went after him with various weapons. All we managed to do was tear his suit. He has died before, but his mind jumps to another clone body when his current one dies. A sort of Dark Vogel Overmind. We have reason to believe he's a Dark Jedi. Anyone want to enter a bid, on either the lawyer's name or where Miriam's ritual is from? Hint: it's not from any book, movie, or television show.

Doug> Hmm...you're probably right on where Miriam might have gotten all her skills. Better add MIB to that list; I am sure she's in Christine Morgan's fanfic "Flashie Thing" under an alias. And she can fake an American non-accent quite well, unless it's her British accent that's fake. I can't tell.

Bye everyone. [Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 01:24:54 AM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Miriam comes in on Damien patrol.]

Mr. Fire Storm, may I borrow a box of your cereal? [FS lets her borrow a box. She borrows a bowl from the other CR's Tea Table Of Peace and pours some cereal into the bowl. Every last one of Wilek's 12 remaining creativity Damiens rushes to the bowl and begins chowing down. Miriam does her ritual, and all 12 Damiens are captured.] Thank you, Mr. Fire Storm.

[Miriam leaves. Her ritual and incantation have already been described here; can anyone, anyone at all, guess where they're from?]
Miriam Baxter
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 12:46:56 AM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Brian: I said that Creativity Damiens cereal will give you Creativity Damiens. I never said it was safe for human consumption! <G>

Wilek: Of COURSE creativity Damiens are phycotic and Evil! Thats why they are named after the son of Satan, silly! <G>

<Fire Storm opens a box of Creativity Damiens cereal. The remaining Damiens in the room rush towards the box, where they grab a handfull of the tasty treat. They then surround a lone Quarryman, stripping the flesh off of his body, then spray painting the Skeleton bright pink with a yellow bow on top of his head. The Damiens then go back to thier business of tormenting the TGS room posters, laughing all the way.>

Well, Someone had to feed them. They were getting hungry, and there is nothing worse than a hungry creativity damien.


Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, September 16, 1998 12:29:34 AM
IP: dhcp208.visitus.net

[Wilek glides in.]

Oh, she DID grab another! That's 12. The official count is 12.

[Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:43:18 PM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Thanks, Miriam. I was getting really worried. The demons are gone now, but the horrible thoughts they have placed unfortunately in my brain remain. They wiill doubtless enrich my fanfic. :)
Doug
Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:41:52 PM
IP: hd79-158.hil.compuserve.com

[Wilek glides in.]

Let's figure this out. There were originally 21 counting the one that escaped in the other CR. Miriam just grabbed 5, that makes 16. The one in the other CR got caught, that's 15. There were two others that got caught in here, that makes 13. The count is 13. I think. Am I right or are there some that Miriam grabbed and I forgot?

[Wilek glides out, thoroughly confused.]
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:41:43 PM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

I have it now. The official count is fourteen.
Miriam Baxter
Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:32:38 PM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Miriam returns.] Or is it fourteen? For perhaps the first time in my life, I've managed to lose count. [Another Damien flies in; Miriam captures it and returns to patrol.]
Miriam Baxter
Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:30:29 PM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

[Miriam runs in and prepares the ritual.]

Tollete dolerem, tollete eum, spiritus malus! Ite in fascinum, in fascinum sempeternum! Fascine, claudete osteum, mundi tenebricosi! Abite, tu mal!

[The five creativity Damiens attacking Doug are sucked in. Miriam puts away her spell paraphernelia.] Thirteen left. [Miriam returns to Damien patrol.]
Miriam Baxter
Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:28:27 PM
IP: tnt-1-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Okay, this one goes out to Mandi...Excuse me, but Captain N? As in Captain Nintendo????? God that's going back to my youth...I use to love my Nintendo. Played it all the time. Mario was just a blob of color, but damn that game was fun...And I don't care what anyone says, 64 bit, 3D rendered graphics or not, no modern game, NONE whatsoever, can bring me the joy I had playing "Chip N' Dale's Rescue Rangers" for the old NES. I must have beaten that game like, 800 times. ;)

As for if Macbeth and Demona would ever have a kid....well, maybe if the fey got involved. I mean, the Weird sisters did make them forget they were enemies for a time. The question has been brought up on a survey before that, should Puck decide to punish Demona again, what would he do. Well, making her and Macbeth have a little rugrat together would be a pretty damn good punishment if you ask me.

Oh, and I don't know how some of you feel about this....I've read theories about it in fanfic before (Ziegler's the only name that comes to mine right now), but...do any of you think Macbeth and Demona ever, you know,...got busy? Knocked some booties? Played the horizontal hokey pokey? Personally, I think they had to have bumped uglies at least once.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:25:10 PM
IP: 207-172-70-80.s80.tnt11.brd.erols.com

(Doug dashes in and slams the door in the faces of several horrifying creativity demons.)

Darn it, Wilek, now those things are chasing me! Please get them rounded up as soon as possible!

Brian: If you want to see a pic of that copter, click my name. It's the bottom picture on the page that pops up. Basically, the Sillhouette has a bulky airliner-like body, extended-support-arm style rotors (you know, like the propellers you see on a vertical take