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Ach, I know this'll be erased soon, but I'm gonna post it anyhow. ;)
Wilek & Coyote> Thanks so much for the well wishes! *hugs*
SOROW> I can feel your pain with those football blues. My high school's team is 0 and 9 with one more game left to play this Friday that they'll probably lose. :(
Everyone> Speaking of my high school's football team, if anyone doesn't know yet my 'significant other' is on that team. Since their last game is Friday and they're definitely going to have a really bad season, he's been kinda down lately and I need to think of some way to cheer him up. Any ideas? Anyone? Please? ;)
Ravyn Maza
Sunday, November 8, 1998 05:23:04 PM
IP: svm-ts1-10.c2i2.com
This will be erased soon, but I'll say it anyhow.
Nobody earned a cyber-donut for placing my quote, but it came from Monty Python. (If you're wondering why I don't give out cyber-cookies its because I don't own a factory. ;-))
After starting the discussion on crossovers, I think it's only fair that I add my two cents worth. I can think of several interesting crossovers that could be done through the Illuminati. One of my personal favorites, 'Alone' is between the Gargs and the show VR5 which also contained a secret society called the Committee. And seeing as how the Illuminati might have several different names to help keep it secret.... As to wierd and/or annoying crossovers one that comes to mind would be Demona meeting Barney.
And since everyone else seems to have an opinion on this, I'll add mine.
***Spoilers for I'm Sorry***
I think that I'm Sorry is an excellent work of fiction, but it isn't one of my personal favorites for one reason. When combined with the entire Gargoyles universe, there are several plot holes. The most notable of these is what happened to the Cold-trio. Also, were the New Olympians infected? These type of questions that pop up after reading a fic are IMHO some of those that keep excellent fics from being among the best.
This next part also has some spoilers for Season 5 of Babylon 5. Aris' post on the quote from Babylon 5 brought up an interesting point. The quote was G'Kar asking Londo how he could apologize for millions of dead Narn. Londo said he couldn't, so Londo said he couldn't forgive him. However, early in Season 5 of B5 Londo did in fact apologize to G'Kar for all that he did, and in one of the latest episodes G'Kar said that although he couldn't forgive the Centauri people for what they had done, he did forgive Londo. Sometimes an apology is all that is needed for forgiveness to begin.
***End all Spoilers***
Well, now that I'm finshed with that, I'll see if anyone can win a cyber-donut by identifying the source of my quote:
thought for the day:
"People are weak. They're stupid. Why would you want to be one?"
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 05:12:02 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu
Tonight the Babylon 5 movie River of Souls on TNT is showing. It will be up against Mary Poppins on UPN and A Knight in Camelot on ABC.
To see the wonderful pictures of me and Solstice, Kanthara made,
if the link doesn't work this time, go to http://myst.org/kanthara/contest/
Starsinge
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 05:10:36 PM
IP: proxy-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net
Entity: If it's any consolation, I didn't write the first Gargs/X-Men crossover. That honor belongs to Ryley Breen, aka Shadow Master. His story "Crossroads of Life" can be accessed at http://www.theberries.ns.ca/sb15/lecroix.html or by clicking my name. It's very long, and Elisa becomes WAY too powerful, but it's still pretty good. We do think alike on mutants, the children of the atom explanation didn't sit well with me either. I suppose for a population that doesn't know about the fay, though, it would suffice.
Origins of Mutants: Well, from what I know of genetics, when random new genes show up in a population, they only initially manifest themselves on the briefest of occasions. So that would go big-time for fay genes that give mutants their powers. Only a few human "witches" would have them at first, then some true mutants would slowly arise (such as Magneto and Wolverine, who've been around since the 1920s at least), but not until the late 20th century would mutants be around in sufficent number to be noticed and dealt with by the public. That's the best explanation I can give for why it took a thousand years of fay intervention in the human gene pool for them to appear. As for how fay heritage brought on all the various mutant powers it did, well, I doubt even Sevarius Jr. can fully explain the mysteries of genetics, let alone me. So let's just say it happened, and why does not matter that much. Now I'll drop this subject at Entity's request.
Mandi: Right now the Buffy crossover is just an idea in my head, I really don't know when I'll be writing it. I also have to make a lot of events happen in my universe in order to set it up. Formally involve Maeve in my universe, and all that goes with getting her to drop whatever she's doing now and come help her child (and Madoc's, they are together in my fanfic saga) do some terrible things. Decide exactly what the vampires are doing in my world, collectively and individually. Decide how I will take the action from Manhattan to Sunnydale. And so on. It's probably about ten-twelve stories away, the way events are set to happen now. Glad you're looking forward to it, don't worry, I know all the most well-known Buffy characters (with the possible exception of Angel if he really divorces himself from the show like I hear he will) will put in appearances. It's a long way off, but it will eventually be done.
Doug
Sunday, November 8, 1998 03:58:21 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zoy-vty79.as.wcom.net
Okay, this is an illegal use of the computers in the Physics lab, but my PC's misbehaving and I needed a break from catchup lab work.
I'm Sorry: Has to be the best Demona fic I've ever read. I'm biting my tongue to keep from saying that it's the best fic, period, mainly because I'm too indecisive to really pick out an all-time greatest Garg fic. But I agree wholeheartedly with all the praise it's received.
Crossovers: I think a crossover with Power Rangers could be done tolerably if kept as a parody. There's a guy named Montgomery who posts absolutely hysterical and occasionally twisted Power Rangers parodies to Usenet. Thanks to babysitting (amazingly enough, I still have a charge or two who loves Power Rangers), I still see that show from time to time. It's still nowhere NEAR the quality of Gargoyles, but the new version's not as annoying and actually has plots to some episodes. A parody crossover might work if done correctly. Hmm, maybe I should bug Monty about this...
Deuce: How about Gargs crossed with Must See TV? So far, there's been a Friends crossover ("The One Where the Gang Grows Wings") and a Caroline in the City cross (Ok, that's my doing, I admit). I'm amazed nobody's done Seinfeld yet.
Stargate SG-1 would be rather interesting, considering that the series has yet to mention Anubis among the gods. I'm working on that crossover now, and I like the idea of Anubis pretending to be among the ranks of the goa'uld to orchestrate the uprising which effectively blocked their access to Earth with the burial of the Stargate. Of course, he couldn't do so directly, but he'd make it easier for the humans to rebel.
Doug: You're working on a Buffy/Garg cross too now? Can't wait to see it!
Airwalker: On the "what if" about Dingo and the Matrix...now that would be interesting. I doubt Dingo would be all that thrilled initially when he realizes that Matrix assimilated his mind into the collective (one loud voice amidst the collective bellowing, "You did WHAT??"). He probably would resist any attempts of the Matrix to merge any further than the body armor, too, if his distaste for the cybernetic Jackal and Hyena in "Upgrade" was any indication. It would be an interesting development and conflict, since Dingo would not initially deal with it too well.
Coyote: You're mapping all of them out already? Best of luck to you; that's got to be a lot of work. :)
Speaking of work, I should be getting my lab done. 'Til Wednesday! (ED. Note: That's the day after Mandi's Creative Writing story, Honors paper, template program, and Discrete Math homework are all due in one day!) See why it's been so long? :)
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 02:10:59 PM
IP: 144.175.2.227
I'm Sorry> I thought the ending was the best part of the story, which really worked for me because I love good climaxes. And this was an incredible climax - which just goes to prove that climax doesn't necessarily go hand-in-hand with a huge battle or something like that. "I'm Sorry" succeeded on so many levels... if anything else, it was the most mature Gargs fic I've ever read. I've read the story about three times in its entirety, and each time my eyes welled up at the end. One of the other things that I really liked was Coyote's involvement. I liked his role in that story a lot.
Gargoyles/X-Men crossovers> *snaps fingers* Aw, and I was hoping to write the first.... Oh well, should have expected that someone would've gotten around to it by now. What really gets me is that your idea for the origins of mutants, Doug, dances incredibly close to my own. In fact, the reason I decided to write a crossover was when, while standing in line to get lunch one day at school, it just suddenly hit me out of nowhere: Hey, I thought to myself, what if mutants got their powers from fay genes introduced to the human gene pool? The one thing that always irked me about X-men was that the mutants' powers bordered more on magical, so the explanation they give in X-Men (i.e. "Children of the Atom") just didn't sit with me.
Well, I suppose great minds think alike, Doug. ;) Well, I'm still going to write my story, because although Doug's explanation of mutancy dances dangerously close to my own, mine does have a bit of an extra twist. But if I may, can I ask that the discussion in here stop? I don't mean to sound bossy, but I'd really appreciate it if the origins of mutantkind didn't continue into a full-fledged CR discussion. The chance exists that my little twist to their origins will be discovered and I'd really like to be able to write this fic. :) Thanks.
Entity
Sunday, November 8, 1998 01:17:05 PM
IP: ely-oh5-48.ix.netcom.com
Luach, Gillecomgain and Macbeth: Is it necessarily an inaccuracy? Were we ever told in Gargoyles that Luach is Macbeth's biological son? If the historical Macbeth treated Luach as his son, then there's no inaccuracy in the episode.
Btw, does anyone else think that Macbeth could well have been involved in the Scottish rebellion seen in Braveheart? (Though I am ashamed to admit that this movie was the first time I even heard of it)
***Spoilers for 'I'm sorry' below ***
Airwalker> Yes, those things you said are definitely spoilers, and you did well to warn everyone. The names of the survivors themselves are spoilers. To say that they still survived at the end, it's an even more certain spoiler.
A sequel ofcourse always depends on the writer's willingness to write one. I can easily imagine Elisa and Demona planning to clone people, or give birth to new ones (artificial insemination etc) but I'm not at all certain it would make for a good story.
As for Nokkar, I'd say he's dead, or they would have heard of him after two centuries (yeah, I know Greg Weisman said he might not have been affected, but the fic doesn't necessarily follow the rules of Greg Weisman). The ColdTrio and the Matrix is a different matter: I'm not certain Aaron Ziegler even considered them. But Dingo would certainly be dead.
*** End spoilers ***
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 11:35:31 AM
IP: athe530-c109.otenet.gr
Contains some thoughts on the story 'I'm Sorry'. Spoiliers might not be necessary for what I wrote here, but I'm warning everyone anyway.
Jaden - Although 'I'm Sorry' only features Cyoti, Elisa, and Demona, I suspect that they might not be the only living beings on that particular earth. Coldfire and Coldsteel are just robots, so the virus shouldn't have any effect on them. Coldstone isn't really alive. He's just animated stone, so how can the virus touch him? Matrix is just a machine. He was a group mind to begin with. What if he absorbed Dingo's mind into his collective when his body died? (I've always had this picture in my head of Dingo becoming immortal. If Matrix seeks to create order, then that will eventually lead him to try and understand the people around him. In that quest for greater insight into humanity so that he may accomplish his mission could lead him to merge himself together with Dingo to such a point that they become one being, looking kind of like a silvery version of Dingo. I've always imagined this being wandering around in 2158 seeking to keep his lost humanity, and watching out over the various terran races, a robotic/humanistic guardian/sentinel who is trying to keep order, and freedom at the same time, forever.) Nokkar is an alien, his physiology probably vastly more different than any fey, so it's possible he has an immunity.
I said it in my last post and I'll say it again, this is a story that should have a sequel. There are so many unanswered questions - What will Elisa do now? What about the characters that I previously mentioned? What about the future? Elisa has time, and nobody to bother her. If she started studying genetics, and with some recovered DNA samples from various cities, and gargoyle clans, she could possibly make some clones, revive the two races. It would take time, and effort but what is time to an immortal? I can imagine seeing Elisa, Matrix, and Coldstone as guardians of two new races a million years down the road. (The others Cyoti, Coldfire, Coldsteel are just robots and I imagine that they would wear down after a couple thousand years.) I can see Demona seeking a redemption of some sort in embracing her gargoyle nature which she has denied for so long in her insane quest, and becoming a sentinel over the two races. Being immortal, what else do they have to do with their time?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, November 8, 1998 09:05:54 AM
IP: 87.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net
ARIS - Yep, there was a real historical Bodhe, but about all that we know of him was that he was Gruoch's father. Actually, all the human characters in the "City of Stone" flashbacks (or at least, all the named ones) were real historical figures (except for Hakon and the Captain of the Guard).
Perhaps the only substantial difference between the "City of Stone" Macbeth story and actual history, other than the inclusion of the fantasy elements, was Luach's parentage. In real history, he was the son of Gruoch by Gillecomgain and Macbeth's stepson; in "City of Stone", he was portrayed as Macbeth and Gruoch's son.
By the way, as I recall, we recruited Aaron Ziegler to write "Requiem" precisely because of his having written "I'm Sorry". That is: the mood of the two stories was similar enough to make Aaron a desirable choice for the writer.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, November 8, 1998 08:35:37 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-90.primary.net
Bodhe> Yeah, definitely a coward. Was there a historical Bodhe? And if so, was this an accurate depiction of him, as far as we know?
Robby> It's actually very reasonable that it will be reminiscent of Requiem since it was Aaron Ziegler who wrote both stories. :)
Spoiler Warnings> I agree. People should remember to write 'SPOILERS!' before they spoil a story. Remember that not everyone has read it, and even small things (like the names of the people who survived) are plot-points that are not revealed until the middle of the story, or even the end of it.
**** SPOILERS FOR 'I AM SORRY' BELOW *****
Sevarius Jr> I agree that it's quite possible you wouldn't have forgiven Demona even after two centuries of loneliness. However one of the major points of the story is that not all humans are the same: Elisa is a protector, not an avenger; for me it's more improbable that she would continue to hunt Demona after two centuries, than that she decided not to kill her after all.
Moreover going on with the Hitler analogy, Demona did far worse than Hitler in that she destroyed three *species*, not nations or racial groups, billions, not millions. However the point is not whether she can be forgiven: the story never says that Elisa forgives her. It's whether the genocide would be completed by Elisa's hand or not; that it was not, and that Elisa no longer had the Hunt as her lone purpose in life, is the bittersweet triumph of the story's ending.
In fact IMO Demona can never be forgiven. It's as G'kar in B5 said, one word for every drop of blood: "Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. How do you apologise to them?" "I can't." "Then I cannot forgive." But tolerance, understanding and the wish not to continue the circle of vengeance are different from forgiveness.
I would kill Hitler in a second if that would stop him from hurting more people. But if he could kill no more people, then why should I kill him? For vengeance's sake? As Xanatos said vengeance is for fools, hollow and useless.
Elisa in the end of the story doesn't forgive Demona, just doesn't kill her. Demona hopes that after an additional two centuries Elisa might tolerate her enough to let Demona travel with her. And even that wouldn't mean forgiveness.
*** END SPOILERS ***
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 08:04:53 AM
IP: athe530-e093.otenet.gr
DOUG - I imagine that Bodhe was able to stay on in his advisory position thanks to being family; he was Macbeth's father-in-law after all.
An interesting explanation for mutants, by the way, although I'm curious about one thing. I'm not that familiar with "X-Men", but what I had seen of the series (my main source for them) indicated that mutants were a very recent development, only appearing in the latter half of the 20th century. Given that that would be a thousand years after the Great Expulsion from Avalon which set up the prospect of the fay mating with humans, that raises the question of why it took almost a thousand years for the mutants to show up.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, November 8, 1998 07:58:38 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-90.primary.net
**The screen comes on. The Ravens' convoy is still speeding after the main enemy transport chopper and being pursued by several more Apaches and Cobras that probably belong to Thailog's militia-leader associate General Zale. As everyone looks on, they turn onto IH-35 and speed past Highland and Northcross Malls. Several more of the gunships are shot down, but the transport is still flying too far out of range to be hit. However, Shauna has a small trick up her sleeve. As they pass the Lakeline Mall exit, she yells "Ni!" and presses a button on a small yellow and gold stick in her hand. The arrow she shot into the chopper's tail earlier explodes, taking out the craft's entire back section. It flips over and plummets, several of the Mafia and Yakuza inside tumbling out to a hard landing on the ground below. Oyabun Iori Sumata, his three isshi, Giovanni Bennatruce, and their five main goons are the only ones who manage to parachute to safety before the chopper crashes and blows up. Kitainia's Mafia friends pull their limo and Humvee over and rush out to take care of them while the Ravens continue weaving around on the freeway to blast down the enemy helicopters still in pursuit. As soon as they're done, Doug turns to make a post.**
Should have these gangs mopped up soon. Let me say some other stuff while we're waiting for the deed to be done.
Ninja Turtles crossovers: I was going to write one once, then I decided I really didn't want the clan going up against Shredder and Krang. So I scrapped the idea. But the Rat King, a guy who can exist outside the TMNT universe as well as inside, has and will make a few cameo appearances in my work.
I'm Sorry: Cool fic. I liked the ending. I think Airwalker's right, Demona needs to be reformed. In my saga, of course, she already is. (Don't worry, she's still a psychopath underneath, just a different sort.) Today, I thought up a scene where she helps the last Hunter give up his own anger and insane quest before it can kill him. Don't worry, that scene will happen, but it is a long way off.
John Glenn thing: If I could afford to rent an ape suit right now, I might do it. But since I can't and nobody's seriously considering doing it, oh well.
Did everyone hear that Gin-grinch is resigning from Congress? Hope the next Republican Speaker has as much wisdom and less anger in him. The chances for that are good.
X-Men Crossovers: I've written a couple actually. "One Psycho to Another" brought mutants fully into my fanfic universe as a presence, and a generally accepted one (The long mass prejudices against both them and gargoyles cooled down and ended a while ago in my work). The NYPD even has a Mutant Crimes Task Force to handle the ones who are still bad, with four good mutants on the payroll. The leader, Captain Bob Shatner, is a blowhard. Literally. That's his mutant power, controlling and blowing out blasts of wind. "Masterpiece" was more an X-Men crossover because the team actually made a big cameo appearance and helped the clan beat off some punks. However, since only Xavier and Rogue really did anything important to the plot, it can't be considered a true crossover from certain viewpoints. I did however explain a possible origin of mutants in that story. Namely, the fay Oberon exiled in 994 spreading their genes around humanity and creating many Halflings, which in turn spawned the mutant race. That's actually an interesting idea, if I do say so myself. :) X-Men characters will appear in more of my work, of course. The next one includes a cameo by Archangel, and the full team (including Magneto) will have to help the clan once again when "The Ultra-Pack Cometh." I use the cartoon show X-Men myself, don't know much about the comic ones. If you need any tips, Entity, feel free to send some mail my way. I also have elements of TGS in my work, namely Timedancer and the Unseelie.
Bodhe: Oh yeah, he is a coward. Big time. I'm suprised Macbeth took him for an adviser, given that he knew that. Oh well, I always think if you need advisers, you should always have at least three. One who tells you the morally worst possible course, one who tells you the best, and one who tells you the course that's in between. Then you decide what to do, not them. Letting Bodhe possibly make the decision on Demona's clan may have been Macbeth's big mistake. Not trusting him and letting her anger control her was Demona's.
Jaden: Sure. Any time you want, feel free to join our madness. <Muhaha> Hope you have fun.
Coyote: 2038 Changeling in Graeme's party? Oh boy. Something tells me I better get my Timedancer "Next Generation" fic out before WCC so everyone knows the full implications of that. I only have one scene left on the New Olympians one, I guess I'll do my first Timedancer fic next. Everyone who reads it will see how Rachel Xanatos/Changeling, Samson (my universe's), Graeme, etc. turns out in 2038, and finally discover the identity of that strange new character I've been mentioning in here, VJON. I'll also tease people a lot about the possible ending to my fic saga in there. You'll have to read it to discover how.
BTW, Chris's archive is still down. I have copies of all my fics on me, though, so if anyone wants to read some, just e-mail me and ask. <grin>
Firestorm: I'm pretty sure the movie they were referencing in "Fleeting Encounters" was the Gargs movie Disney will begin filming soon, hopefully. There's no character named Goliath in the 1970s Gargoyles film.
Can't wait for the new episode later today. See you guys again then. Bye!
**Gino runs Giovanni through with his sword/cane, and Franco cracks Iori's head between his huge hands. Doug shakes his head at the disgusting display of wanton gore and violence. The goons and isshi quickly join their bosses in the dead-book, and the Ravens, now finished with their gang troubles, assemble in the center of a parking lot just off the highway. Shap and Orion begin distributing healing spells while Lathrop conjures them all up some extra ammo as the screen goes out. To be continued next time!**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 04:21:48 AM
IP: hil-c45-042-vty109.as.wcom.net
DumlaoX: Yup, thats the episode!
Geez! Maybe I should read "I'm Sorry"!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 02:31:27 AM
IP: dhcp160.visitus.net
Hmm, "I'm Sorry" WAS very good. Kinda reminiscent of Requiem in a few ways... I can't say much about it that hasn't already been said, without SPOILER warnings... Ah well, anyone who has the time to spare should read it, the way to it is in some address below this one...
Ah geez, now I'm gonna have to try and do better than that in my fanfics too? Oii...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 12:13:30 AM
IP: spider-ta062.proxy.aol.com
**The screen lights up to reveal the Ravens' enlarged convoy, including Coyote's tank, in hot pursuit by the backup choppers. One of the choppers is being piloted by Kim, an old acquaintance of Coyote's. He sees her piloting the craft, his eyes flaming.**
Oh no, you don't!
**She aims her guns at the convoy, firing wildly. Coyote turns the main turret of the tank to face the chopper.**
FIRE ONE!
<"Fire one away, boss!">
**The turret fires a 8-inch shell at the chopper, shearing off its weapons. Cursing all the way, Kim banks the chopper away, just as Gubio's mech fires a shot to shear the other one in half.**
Thanks for the assist, dude!
<"No prob.">
Well, we're still in hot pursuit. Let's try some replies, shall we?
"I'm Sorry": Call me an unenlightened hick **shouts from around the CR: "YOU UNENLIGHTENED HICK!!"**, but I haven't read this fic yet. But from what I've heard about it, I just have to see how it rates, seeing as how many people here (with the exception of SJ) have proclaimed it the greatest Gargfic ever.
Doug: The filk could work. That's just my opinion without knowing what the melody sounds like.
Todd: Another one for you ... Brooklyn encounters the U.S. troops assigned to northern Europe during WWI and comments on how their dark uniforms make their faces look so "doughy." Those soldiers later call themselves "Doughboys," which if I recall my WWI history correctly was a company of troops the US brought into Russia to support the White forces during the Russian Revolution (as opposed to the Bolsheviks, aka the Red forces.).
Deuce: Which team, the Flames or the Oilers? And I agree with you about the Avalanche ... as far as I'm concerned, Claude Lemieux is one of many Antichrists in North America (#4 in my book, right behind Bill Gates, Barney and Martha Stewart.). And that's not just because of the homemade facelift he gave Kris Draper during the '96 Western Conference Finals!
Ravyn: AII!! Here's hoping healing comes to you soon!
Coldstone: As ambitious as your proposal of crossing the DeGuy Saga and Spike's cycle is ... I must thank you immensely for contributing a character to WCC. I was putting together the characters tonight, and right now, it looks like there's a little bit of everything in this one. (BTW, Doug: since you're interested, one pairing I already know is that Changeling will be in the party Graeme leads. Just FYI.)
SOROW: Sorry that I can't mirror your football woes, but I have to say that Michigan State surprised the crap out of me this evening ... who'da thunk they would beat the #1 team in the country by four points?! (Right now, that's probably the top candidate for Upset of the Year.)
Deuce again: At least chlorine just makes you sneeze. You *really* don't want to know what chlorine does to my sinuses. (Two words: facial hemmorhaging.)
Entity: Ask Doug about a Gargs/X-Men x-over. "Masterpiece" was one.
Wilek: Please, send me corrections so I can make sure I've got it right. I'm still waiting for two people to send me alliances.
***RP NOW!!***
**A missle flies past Coyote's head. Jason stands up in his seat, turning around.**
<"What the hell was that?!">
Hand-held rocket launcher. Should've known. She's always prepared. **reaches down, picks up a weapon, aims it.** Here goes nothing!
**Coyote launches a stream of flame from his weapon, a compact hand-held flamethrower, which immolates the chopper, but leaves it intact enough to land. Coyote turns the turret back toward the front of the vehicle, continuing the convoy chase as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, November 8, 1998 12:11:22 AM
IP: 207.91.254.30
I just read "I'm Sorry" and...WOW. It is very good, I couldn't stop reading it till I reached the end. Kind of depressing thou...only three intelligent beings on the planet. Oh well it's better than zero.
Wilek Nereus> I don't think Vader would have survived long enough for Luke to find a doctor to treat him. But if he did survive...I see linch mobs, riots, and people sreaming for his blood. So in my opinion I think it would be better if Luke just took off the mask.
Ok...for this RP thing I know I need a character (got one)and maybe a villian (give me 10 seconds...ok got one). Now all I need to do is jump in right?
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Saturday, November 7, 1998 10:46:44 PM
IP: pm1-16.sma.silcom.com
I'M SORRY - I'll side with Airwalker on this one. If Elisa had killed Demona, she'd only have completed the genocide process; there'd be no humans and no gargoyles left whatsoever. That would have done nobody any good.
I do feel that Demona is more to blame than Macbeth for the 1057 disaster; she could, after all, have waited to see what Macbeth would do, rather than immediately jumping to conclusions. It's been pointed out that Macbeth had a good reason for the patient response that he gave to Bodhe's advice (much more patient than the advice deserved, IMHO); he needed to show Luach that you have to listen to what your advisors say if you're going to get any respect from them. However, I feel that the real culprit for the 1057 disaster was Bodhe and his cowardly advice.
In fact, the evidence shows that Bodhe was wrong; ditching the gargoyles would not have ensured peace. This is shown by the fact that, after the gargoyles deserted Castle Moray, the English still went ahead and sacked the place. Furthermore, Canmore's English soldiers evidently stood by him in the war with Luach that followed, even after all the gargoyles were gone (except for Demona, and Canmore didn't know then that she was still alive). If they really had been fighting Macbeth just to get rid of the gargoyles, as Bodhe believed, they'd have all turned around and gone home after Demona's clan was dead, leaving Canmore on his own against Luach's forces. So much for Bodhe's advice (which was pretty despicable anyway; what sort of peace can be won by betraying your allies?).
In fact, when you stop to think it over, Bodhe seems to have had a track record of cowardice and weakness throughout the series. He made no effort to go to his daughter's aid when she went to Macbeth's rescue in 1020. He was ready to give her in a loveless marriage to the cruel and brutal Gillecomgain in 1032 (indicating that he didn't care that much about her). He urged Macbeth to give himself up to Duncan in the off-chance (extremely unlikely, IMHO) that Duncan would spare Gruoch and Luach if he did that; I doubt that Duncan would have spared Luach, at least, after hearing the Weird Sisters' prophecy that Luach would someday become King of Scotland. He urged Macbeth to kill the young Canmore, something that even Demona would not stoop so low as to do; while it's been argued by some that such a deed would have prevented Canmore's invasion 17 years later, I feel that if Macbeth had killed a helpless child, even for reasons of state, he'd have wound up overthrown himself by a horrified populace in a hurry. In fact, I think that that last piece of advice was really another sign of Bodhe's cowardice; ready to knuckle under and try appeasement whenever faced with a show of force, he had no problems taking the "strong approach" whenever dealing with somebody who was defenceless. When you stop to think it over, it's a little astonishing that the gentle and noble Gruoch was actually his biological child; she must have taken after her mother.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 09:34:11 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-165.primary.net
What, no comments on the bad Puck joke earlier? Hmm, I thought it was clever. Oh well...
SJ and Airwalker and anyone else who may talk about "I'm Sorry" in detail, remember a little notation called, SPOILERS, please? I was halfway through with your messages before I realised I was killing the ending for myself... I still intend to read the story in a minute, but a warning would be nice. Yes, you did put up a little break off, but neglected to mention SPOILER, so I assumed you would just comment on if you liked it or not. Ah well...
Wilek- The Master IS the coolest vilain ever, in any of his MANY MANY MANY forms... (Except that horrible one they did in the Dr. Who movie a year or so back with the eigth doctor...) And while the Daleks are cool villain, they look a bit too muchlike salt and pepper shakers for my taste.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 09:23:14 PM
IP: spider-we051.proxy.aol.com
I'm Sorry - This was a fabulous story. I've always had an interest in alternate history, and found that story to be great reading. In fact I always felt that there should be a sequel to it. There are enough loose end for it (ex: Coldtrio, Matrix, Nokkar), as well as seeing what Elisa would do now that the Hunt is over. That's a story I would love to read.
Sevarious Jr. - I don't disagree with what Elisa did at the end of 'I'm Sorry'. It's true that for what Demona did in that story, she doesn't deserve to live. But if Elisa kills her, it means the true end to not only their lives but to the human and Gargoyle races. As long as the two of them are alive, there is someone to remember that there was a humanity, and that there were Gargoyles. If Elisa did kill her, then Demona would have won. Humanity would be gone, utterly.
The only thing that Elisa could do in that case was to just put it to rest. She can't kill Demona without burying two races, and the memories of her friends, her family. All she could do was to move on. Demona wanted her empty world? Fine. Let her enjoy it, alone, forever. Elisa can go off with Cyoti, try to salavage something. If she can't have a life, then she could be a chronicler, a recorder of the glory and grandeur that was humanity and Gargoyles. Also, in addition to Cyoti, she's not as alone as the story shows. There is Coldstone, Coldfire, and Coldsteel. None of them are truly alive, and could possibly have survived into the empty world. Nokkar might still live, his alien physiology giving him immunity to the disease. Matrix is around, and could even be the key to eliminating the disease, and remake the world. There might even be hope, that with time and genetics, perhaps some DNA could be salvaged from the dead races, and in the future they could be brought back through cloning. The survivors can be Sentinels, Guardians, a new first race to watch over those to come.
In that continuity, Demona can never be forgiven. But how can you make her pay? What solution is around that is not a way of shooting yourself in the foot? Besides, Death is never the answer. Demona thought it was, and look where it got her in the story. Elisa let grief cloud her judgement, but she knows better now.
Now should Demona be forgiven in regular continuity? I don't have an answer for that really. As much as I would like for her to be forgiven, she does have alot to answer for. I can't really judge what she did during the last thousand years. From 994 to 1994 she was hunted, and feared, and alone. She lived in a time when she couldn't even have a human friend because she would be viewed as a Demon. In the time when she could have been influenced, and perhaps have her path change she was hated and feared, hunted and hounded. By the time society changed enough for her to be excepted she became set in her ways. Although she looks young, she is really old. How many old people do you know who want to readly change there ways? Hudson for example has a hard time changing, and he is only 100. Demona is 1000!
She is still responsible for the 994 Wyvern Event, and for the Moray Betrayal in 1057. Those will always hang over her soul (although I do feel that Macbeth is a little responsible for her betrayal. If he had told Bodhe to go to hell and that he would never betray the clan in 1000 years, I doubt she would have left). But how can she be punished? To kill her is to sentece Macbeth to a death he no longer desires. To imprision her won't accomplish anything. How long can you hold her? After a while she will get out. 100, 300, however many years it takes, she will get out, and then who will stop her, who will be around? There will be a generation who only remembers Demona as a myth, a boogy man to scare little children with. The only thing that can be done is to forgive her, end the cycle of revenge, and hate, and aid her in reforming. Otherwise she will win in the end. She has never actually been beaten, not even by Macbeth. She is literally the greatest warrior alive, and she has all the time in the world. The only hope is to reform her, get her on the side of good, before time runs out, and she wins.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, November 7, 1998 09:00:16 PM
IP: 39.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, all five Doom Commandos, the bikers, the five Dark Troopers, SJ, and Frankie are in a massive gunfight in the research labs of Area 51, taking cover from about a hundred Sevarius clones who are firing at them. SJ is looking on in horror as the team's gunfire takes down clone after clone of his dad.] Don't worry SJ, your real dad is safe and sound in Thailog and Dark Mage Wilek's secret base, helping them take over the world. If you're having emotional trouble killing these things, just remember the last time Dad made you rake the leaves or whatever and vent your frustrations. >:) (BTW SJ, I don't mind your opinion of "I'm Sorry"'s ending. I happen to disagree with it, but you're entitled to it.)
Everyone complaining about how big the room's getting> I always use the text-only room; no matter how big it is, it loads in less than a minute.
Coyote> Even though the WCC deadline's passed, is it too late to mail you minor corrections about already-submitted characters?
"I'm Sorry"> I agree with everyone who's been raving about this fic; it's among the best I've read. And it was the guy's first Gargs fic, no less.
Hey, how many of you are familiar with the Sierra game "Shivers II: Harvest Of Souls"? There's a song in it called "Spell It Out" that's ripe for Gargs filking IMO.
SOROW> I also noticed that about the TimeDancer theme. Hey, where can one acquire the "Power Of One" soundtrack?
Heather> Very kewl pic.
Dumlao> Whenever you find the MP3 I requested, provide a link to it like you did for that other one please; my e-mail account can't handle files that size either.
Ravyn> Ack, that cut sounds horrible! Hope it heals soon.
You know, this talk of alt-universe fics reminds me of a creativity demon (non-Gargs, but still interesting) that's been flitting about in my head for a while now: Does anyone remember at the end of Return Of The Jedi, when Vader told Luke to take his mask off so Luke could see his face one last time, and because he was dying anyhow? What if Luke had refused to do that? What if Luke had just gotten Vader to a medical center, and they'd been able to save his life? How would the Star Wars universe be different? Any thoughts?
You know, I'm glad someone here mentioned Dr. Who; it would make an interesting Gargs crossover. Especially if the Daleks or the Master were involved; they rank as among the kewlest sci-fi villains ever. It occurs to me that a crossover, no matter how good it is in theory, only really works if a majority of the target audience is familiar with the crossed over fic universes; failing this, it's best if any references specific to the lesser known fic universes are explained in detail. I loved Merlin Missy's "All Through The Night", but there were references in there that I completely failed to understand, such as the "Cool Disco Dan" graffiti and everything relating to the Beauty And The Beast television series (which has absolutely nothing to do with the Disney movie). Also, Merlin wasn't the only one to do Star Trek really well. There's a fic at the GFW archive called "Split Infinities" that I consider a masterwork, and contains one of the very few plausible ways that Star Trek and Gargoyles can be crossed over. (Merlin Missy's "Forever" had a gaping historical inconsistency which, although it didn't make the story any less enjoyable, made it impossible to fit into the Star Trek continuity.) Don't get me wrong, I love Missy's stuff and I didn't mean this to sound like I'm nitpicking; it's just hard not to notice these things.
[The Sevarius clones are all dead by now.] OK! Let's get into the computers and find out just what the conspiracy plans to use a stealth ship for. [They do so, and after a few minutes, Jake calls to Wilek, sounding quite shocked, "Uh, 'Lekkers? I think we got a BIG problem."] Please don't call me that. [Wilek goes over to Jake's terminal...and sees the problem.] Oh, merciful Oberon....[To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, November 7, 1998 08:27:12 PM
IP: tnt-1-197-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Time to play the heel again.
"I'm Sorry."
A good piece of fiction? Yes! Most definitely! A Great piece of fiction? Hmmm....yeah, I'd say so. The *BEST*? Naw, I'm afraid I don't agree.
Let me explain my opinion. I had a real problem with the ending. I'm mainly saying this because if Demona wiped out everyone, and everything I cared about, I don't give a crap how much she says she's sorry, I'm puttin' her ass six feet under. I don't care if it kills me (like it would Elisa) she's gonna die. Instead, Elisa just walked away.
I think this might have been debated beform. Greg, in his Master Plan, had said that Demona would eventually reform. But that leads us back to the question that, should she really be forgiven? After all the evil she's done? It's nice to want your enemies to be your friends, but I think it's naive to
a. Believe that all of them are gonna change (and dammit, too many good bad guys in the garg universe wound up good guys. That just ain't real), and
b. That even if the do reform, do they deserve to be forgiven?
Of course, without that particular ending, the story wouldn't pack quite the punch. But I hated it. Don't get me wrong, I can forgive a person. But if you hurt me and mine like Demona hurt Elisa, killing not just her loved ones but her entire RACE, a thousand lifetimes wouldn't stop my rage.
I'm sorry. (no pun intended) I know a lot of people want Demona to reform. But to me, that's a lot like wanting Hitler to reform just cause you think, deep down, the little Kraut's a good guy. And before you crucify me for using a Hitler reference, if Demona were to really kill the humans cause she hated them that much, it WOULD be just like Hitler killing the Jews. He wanted the Aryan race to be superior--she wants the Gargoyles.
Of course, this opinion is based solely on emotion...but then again, a lot of opinions are.
Okay, the hate mail can commence.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 07:56:42 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net
Sorry for the double post, but I just found an alternate site for "I'm Sorry", since everybody here's been talking about it. Click on my name to get there.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 07:50:21 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-134.primary.net
CROSSOVERS - One that recently occurred to me as a possibility (although I don't have any ideas as yet for the particulars) would be Katherine Kurtz's Deryni novels. It struck me as especially appropriate because the Deryni (a race of human-appearing born-wizards in a fictional medieval universe known as the Eleven Kingdoms, persecuted by ordinary humans who are afraid of their innate magical abilities) do have much in common with gargoyles. The two races might even join forces to help each other survive against their various enemies.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 06:48:07 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-134.primary.net
Ditto what Aris said. I too have "I'm Sorry" on my computer. I agree that it is the greatest piece of Gargoyles fan fiction ever written. I will admit I haven't read as much fanfic as some of the rest of you have, but I think I've covered most of the best. Another I really liked was "Legacy", which I also have on my computer.
And speaking of crossovers, I'm in the plotting stages of writing a Gargoyles/X-Men crossover. (X-Men the cartoon series, not the comic series, since I don't know much about it and wouldn't wanna mess things up) Does anyone know if there has ever been such a crossover written? Incidentally, mine will also have some elements of TGS worked into it.
Entity
Saturday, November 7, 1998 06:34:10 PM
IP: ely-oh2-02.ix.netcom.com
"I'm sorry"> The story archive isn't working at the moment, but I have it in my computer. If anyone wants it, I can email it to them.
John Glenn> I had actually heard this joke in another board, Trekweb, where I am a regular. It was a little while back, so perhaps that joke was a repost as well.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:59:20 PM
IP: athe530-a080.otenet.gr
I heard this ont he radio yesterday morning:
Attention all citizens of Earth:
When John Glenn returns from space, you must be in ape suits. This is a matter of extreme importance. We have less than a week to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. If you live in New York, get busy.
Ordell - [ordell9425@geocities.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:52:34 PM
IP: 202-19-27.ipt.aol.com
Hello. * smiles * I made a new sailor scout for a RPG sailor Sailor Angels.
This is Sailor Midael. The Angel of Warriors. But the person that made the RPG is having a contest for who will be who. This is my version.
Click !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:47:52 PM
IP: 175-137-150.ipt.aol.com
ack, I hate it when this happens, finish a message, and a new post is up... Oii...
Todd-I thought it had something to do with good ol' Doctor Who, but it's been quite some time since PBS stopped airing that...
Deuce- Nothing to be ashamed of. Boy Meets World is a good show. The cast has been together for a while and they have great chemistry, the writing is good and rarely falls back on the same plot, and is the only good show TGIF has currently.
If any OTHER new posts are up since I started this one, I'll reply to them LATER!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:30:14 PM
IP: spider-we054.proxy.aol.com
( Brooklyn in a hockey uniform with skates is facing off against Nosedive of the Mighty Ducks, with Owen Burnett as referee. Then Nosedive asks, "Hey, where's the Puck?" At which Brooklyn sighs going, "Oh no" as Owen begins to spin around...)
If anyone else has problems with the comment room's size and memory usage near the end of the week like I do, (especially this week, sheesh! Tho that's at least partially my fault...), try telling the computer to stop loading after about 50K, or more depending on how long you've been gone. That way, you read everything you need to, don't spend forever waiting for it all to load, and don't tax your computer's capacity...
Several of you mentioned a story titled, "I'm Sorry" and called it one of, if not THE best garg. story ever. Where can I find this sucker?
Wilek-I think Sevarius Senior did have something to do with MAL's voice on Captain Planet, but it's been years since I saw that show, I'm not sure.
Starsinger- I've BEEN passing the John Glenn thing. Too bad no one is taking it seriously... It would be a cool thing to do...
Doug- Catchy TD bit. I think it works.
Sorrow- I may or may not have mentioned this before, but I did a gargs/TMNT crossover some time back. It was horrible, and has since been erased. And then the gargs/Mighty Ducks crossover? Well, I'm putting something in that vein in this post...
(Owen Burnett is now the magical trickster Puck. Nosedive shrugs, aims his hockey stick, and slaps Puck across the ice... Its going to be an interesting game...)
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:24:12 PM
IP: spider-we054.proxy.aol.com
** walks in wearing a bathing suit, dripping wet **
I hate swimming lessons. *sneezes* I also hate chlorine. I have an allergy to it, but that doesn't stop me from going. Why, you ask? I'm not really sure... the exercise, I think.
*shakes water out of hair* Hey, are the TGS themes fixed yet? I know Fire Storm said something about existing copies....
COOLEST CROSSOVERS: The X-Files (for sure), BtVS, or NYPD Blue (Elisa becomes Sipowicz' new partner after Smits dies/leaves).
WEIRDEST CROSSOVER: Stargate SG-1 (think about it), Disney's "Recess" (they live in NY, too), The Simpsons, or Boy Meets World (yes, yes, I actually watch it. Don't laugh.)
WORST/MOST ANNOYING CROSSOVER: Power Rangers (the Gargoyles would whup their spandex-clad butts!), Sailor Moon, or Star Trek in any incarnation (done to death, and only Merlin Missy did it well, IMO).
That's my two cents, so now I'm off, and probably for the weekend. So have a good one, and don't get into too much trouble while I'm gone!
** leaves, towelling himself off **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:05:21 PM
IP: ppp209.connect.ab.ca
You know what I just found out that was interesting? The theme to Timedancer is in my files and I always knew the music came from The Power of One, one of my favorite movies. But I was just listening to "To Die For..." on the Lion King Soundtrack and right when Mufasa dies is the end to the Timedancer theme. I never knew that, and I think putting Brooklyn and Graeme in Mufasa and Simba's place would be pretty cool.
SOROW
Saturday, November 7, 1998 02:42:36 PM
IP: usr3-4-dialup20.mix1.irving.cw.net
Just letting everyone know I'm still alive. I had a long week and our football team lost to our rivals by one point. Of course, we've only won about five games in the last five years. Yeah, we suck! But our drill team kicks ***!(cause I'm in it, kidding) And I just got my letter jacket. YEAH!
Todd> After reading all the weeks comments, I saw that Gargoyle special too. Pretty cool info!
You know who I think are the best group of bad boys? Brooklyn, Raphael(TMNT), and Duke(Mighty Ducks). These guys are so awesome and I'm attempting to draw a pic of them together. Isn't it interesting that Jeff Bennett is the voice of both Brook and Duke? And TMNT was the first cartoon I actually liked. I think these three guys would be hilarious together. They should start a band.
SOROW
Saturday, November 7, 1998 02:36:21 PM
IP: usr3-4-dialup20.mix1.irving.cw.net
Crossovers: Let me put my two-bits in, since Christine Morgan seems to think my work in Garg-Crossovers makes me the King of that subject (winks to Chris, tilting his crown at a jaunty angle)...
A TMNT Crossover? MMPR Crossover? Hmmm... the mind spins with infinet possibilities! >:)
Best Crossover: I'm a little biased, since I write my own, but In case you need to judge for yourself, try my He-Man/She-Ra/Gargs story "Power and Honor" (it's in one of the latest Avalon Mists), or my SwatKats story "Kat Scratch Fever" (also in Avalon Mists). Personally, I've seen a couple of CO stories that weren't mine that I loved, but I can't think of them right now.
Anyway, I'm trying to decide what my next submission to AvMists will be: A Gargs/Transformers story, a Gargs/Pirates of Dark Water Story, or a cross-universe story with my DeGuy Saga and Christi Hayden's "Avery" universe. What do you guys think?
And I agree, "I'm Sorry" was a good Alt-Universe Fic.
Well that's all from me... Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, November 7, 1998 12:51:05 PM
IP: 207.170.232.79
"I am sorry"> In my opinion that's the best Gargoyles fanfic EVER written, in or out of TGS. Close candidates are (for me) some of the Athenaverse stories and a couple of Merlin Missy/Nancy Brown's. The last fic of Christine Morgan follows closely as well.
But "I am sorry" remains at the top, where I am concerned.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 12:32:48 PM
IP: athe530-c108.otenet.gr
**Ravyn drags herself into the room.** Ugh. Basketball practice at 6:30 in the morning on a Saturday just isn't right...;)
Coyote> Well, kind of...I was working in the print shop at my school and there was a box of those thin metal printing plates, and I was trying to stuff some more into the box when my hand slipped and got my index finger stuck on about two of 'em. It was really gross 'cuz I had to pull on the plates to get them out of my finger. I got a lot of sympathy for it and thankfully I don't need stitches. Now I just have to wait 'til it heals so I can type normal again...:)
Robby> Trust me, I feel your pain...*see above* ;)
Well, see ya'll around! **Ravyn goes off to take a nap.**
Ravyn Maza
Saturday, November 7, 1998 11:55:32 AM
IP: 207.204.224.22
A couple quick, quick, quick posts (I'm really not supposed to be on the computer, and I have swimming lessons in a couple of hours):
DUMLAOX> Thanks a zillion; I'll pick it up later today.
JADEN> "I'm Sorry", which, IMHO, is the best fanfic ever written outside of TGS, was written by Aaron Ziegler. And yes, he was in the author spotlight. There may even be a link to the story in the article.
** runs out, heaping magical curses on the Colorado Avalanche, who beat his home team last night 5-2 in hockey. Grrrr.... **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Saturday, November 7, 1998 10:30:17 AM
IP: ppp151.connect.ab.ca
Since November 7 is the date that the Bolshevik Revolution took place, that reminds me of the creativity demon that I had once about Brooklyn in the course of his TimeDancer adventures winding up in Russia during this period, meeting some very stuffy Bolsheviks, and calling them "a bunch of Red Squares".
MONS CARBI - Well, I think that, like the "William Nicholson" business, I made this one a little too subtle, so I'll tell you. "Mons Carbi" is Latin for "Hill of Coal", and was a reference to Coal Hill School, where the Doctor's granddaughter Susan was attending classes in the first episode of "Doctor Who".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 07:22:46 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-67.primary.net
** The screen comes on. The bad gangs' transport helicopter is flying across the Austin skies, full of the leaders of the Mafia and Yakuza clans. Pursuing it on the ground are Jammer's station wagon, Stephanie's Taurus, Kitainia's motorcycle, Coyote's tank, the Gambini Mafia limo and Hummer, and Gubio in his new Timberwolf mech. As the chase goes on, a big Mafia goon leans out of the chopper and throws out the attached tracking arrow. Shauna quickly remedies the problem with two bowshots, one that hits the chopper with another tracker, this time out of reach from the main doors. The other gets the goon leaning out right between the eyes. He screams and topples out, falling to the ground below. Doug begins to post, but not before complimenting his fellow Raven on her exquisite markmanship.**
Todd: You're right, Spike and the Unseelie do have different Halloween attitudes. I wonder why. I think when I do write the Buffy/Gargs crossover, I'll have Maeve as the main villain, with Spike and Dru there for foils and thugs. Entertainment as well. <grin>
Does anyone else here watch Fox's new TV show Brimstone? It's a pretty neat flick, I think. I'll be crossing Gargs with it too in some future fanfic. Detective Stone must get help from the clan to recapture one of Hell's most insane souls. (Yes, it will be the guy in my pic!)
Wilek: Kitainia says thanks for the compliments. She is sure the bikers will comply.
Jaden: It is, believe you me. Click my name to access Christine Morgan's website at www.eskimo.com/~vecna/ She has several fics up there that are quite good. The latest, "What Might Have Been," is a what-if Goliath didn't choose to sleep in stone? tale. And very interesting.
Shreds of a New TGS Filk: (goes into REM "Daysleeper" tune) You talk of seeing the past and the future. Well, I've seen it all. Seen it all through the blinding light, by phoenix flame I travel and do right. Timedancer, Timedancer... Anyone think this could work?
That's all for now, bye.
**The gangs' Apache, piloted by Jim, Shap, and Boris's first Army reserve drill sergeant (who was of course a real jerk before he got transferred away), comes up behind the Ravens' convoy and starts firing missiles and Gatling guns down at them. He is promptly hit by two missiles from the mech, a blast from Boris's bazooka, and a lightning bolt from Lathrop that disintegrate him and his chopper in a ball of flame. The heroes continue chasing after the transport helicopter as the screen fades out.**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:36:55 AM
IP: hil-c45-031-vty206.as.wcom.net
DEUCE-- Hit my name. I'd mail it but my account can't hold this big of a file in it.
FIRE STORM-- You mean the movie reference in Fleeting Encounters?
yes :)
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 01:34:27 AM
IP: pool0022-max5.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net
Wilek: He IS that evil!
The OLD gargoyles movie: Didn't TGS make a reference to that movie in Timedancer?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 12:11:09 AM
IP: dhcp168.visitus.net
[Quick reply.]
Jaden> There's a what-if fic that adresses that very question. It's called "I'm Sorry", and it's part of the GFW fic archive so no one can read it until that gets back up. Or, the author is one of those featured in the GFW's Author Spotlight or whatever it's called, so maybe you could e-mail him or her (I forget the person's name).
Wilek Nereus
Friday, November 6, 1998 11:50:57 PM
IP: tnt-2-62-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
All of these possible crossover sounds like they could be a lot of fun. But does anyone know if there are any "What if" stories? You know sort of like..."What if Demona had been successful the night of the Hunter's Moon?"...thos could be some interesting stories. Or not, who knows?
Kitainia> sounds like fun!!!
DumlaoX> oh well it was just an idea. But hey! Good things come to those who wait. :)
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, November 6, 1998 10:55:39 PM
IP: pm1-1.sma.silcom.com
**The screen lights up, revealing the Ravens, Doug, Kitainia, Coyote, the Gearhead, Buick and Jason just arriving on the roof, as the chopper takes off.**
Quick, give me a range on that thing!
<"Ballpark, about 500 feet and gaining, boss.">
Jason, do the honors. **Jason pulls the crossbow off of his back, loading it with three arrows and firing all three of them simultaneously. Two appear to miss, but one strikes the chopper just above one of its skids. Coyote pulls out a tracking device.**
Glad I brought this thing with me. We can track it from the ground. But first a quick breather ... and some replies.
Harlan Ellison: I humbly apologize for calling Mr. Ellison a "sci-fi writer." I bow to his superior abilities.
**A speaker crackles to life in the CR and plays "Taps."** I now commemorate the life and times of Bob Kane. The inspiration of generations. The comic world was never the same after Batman came into being ... and it will never be the same after Mr. Kane. Godspeed, Bat-liege.
**"Taps" ends. Coyote salutes.**
Deuce: Knowing the kind of hell you're going through, I'm inclined to agree. But it was hellish for me going around in the halls and having my friends not even acknowledge my presence ... even when I come face-to-face with them and loudly say "HI, HOW'S IT GOING?!?!"
Ravyn: Is it anything like the altercation the boxknife and my thumb had about a month or two ago? I sympathize.
Cyrway: Courage? I'd call it "rank stupidity" myself. ;)
I have to contact you later on anyway, there's something WCC-related I need to ask you about.
Poll:
Strangest Garg crossover: Like I said about an hour ago, Gargoyles/Earth: Final Conflict.
Most humorous Garg crossover: Gargoyles/Landover. For those not in the know, Landover is a fantasy land described in novels by Terry Brooks, the first of which was "Magic Kingdom, For Sale: Sold!" which describes a magic kingdom bought by a Chicago lawyer from the Neiman-Marcus catalog for $1.5 million. Pretty goofy characters in the series (a wizard who can't cast simple spells without them backfiring, the court scribe is a dog, and the girl the lawyer winds up marrying is a mythical creature who turns into a tree once a month), but the stories are awesome. And I do believe that a crossover would be one of the funniest fantasy stories ever written!
Most Annoying: I can think of one worse than Gargoyles/Sailor Moon. Howzabout Gargoyles/Power Rangers?
***RP WARNING***
My role in the RP: I just got to Austin, I've been travelling cross-country from Michigan with Buick, Coyote the Gearhead (the last surviving Categorized Clone of mine) and old college roomie Jason DeRosa. I just caught up with the Ravens in the warehouse district.
**The party has run down to the ground level, running for their transports. Buick has already backed the tank out of the hole they created.**
All right, the tracker's on-line, we're on active scanning. **tosses the tracker to Doug** You lead, we'll follow. I took the liberty at our last rest stop to download a map of Austin into the unit.
**Coyote jumps back into the Commander's Seat of the tank, just as Doug signals "Let's roll!" The convoy follows Doug down the street away from the now-completely-busted-up warehouse as the screen fades.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 09:03:11 PM
IP: modem75.i-is.com
In case it's not clear, DumlaoX, send me the MP3.
Deuce
Friday, November 6, 1998 08:59:23 PM
IP: ppp112.connect.ab.ca
** Enters, rolling eyes at Starsinger **
Ouch. Whaddya want to do, give the old guy a heart attack? Although he must be in good shape to go up in space....
HEATHER> Look, you're a very nice, wonderful person, but you are also being really, really stubborn. Here's the best thing to do in your awful situation:
1) Tell your parents.
2) Go to the police.
Got it? This is serious. I don't want you or your friends to get hurt over this. OK? *hug*
DUMLAOX> You found it? Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou! *gives him a huge stack of-- wait, can't use cookies anymore... a huge stack of chocolate bars* If at all possible, you can e-mail it to the address below, otherwise just give me the URL and I'll get it myself. Thanks again, pal!
** Leaves, casting a worried look at Heather on the way out. **
Deuce - [halfpastsix@yahoo.com]
Alberta, Canada
Friday, November 6, 1998 08:58:42 PM
IP: ppp112.connect.ab.ca
This bit of sillyness has been passed to me from two different directions. Enjoy.
Subject: pssssst ! Pass it on !!
A GREAT HOAX FOR A GREAT MAN
Pssssst, This is a secret. Spread this around to everyone except for
John Glenn.
People get more gullible when they get older. When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in Ape Suits. Also bury the Statue of Liberty up to her neck before he gets back!
Pass it on.
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:42:38 PM
IP: proxy-361.public.rwc.webtv.net
Heather: Sorry about Creation. I didn't check the site before I put up the link. And yes, I would mirror everyone here and say go to the authorities. This is deadly serious, especially if it's driving your friends to contemplate suicide. If you do nothing else, at least go yourself to an authority figure, anyone. Although I know your opinion of your 'rents, even going to them is better than holding silence. Think about it.
(even though you might get tired of it ... HUGS)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:37:46 PM
IP: modem75.i-is.com
**Sevarius Jr. returns to Area 51 after a long, hard fought battle with the P.I.L.T. He's bruised, and his lab coat is a little torn.**
Madre de Dios, those lawyer-lovers sure can land a right cross. Next time, I just mutate them into gerbils.
Yes, a moment of silence for Bob Kane. He was a legend, and Bats is my fave comic character, bar none. Now, no one will be able to stop the ANTICHRIST Joel Schumacher from further raping the Batman franchise from its coolness. (Gee, that doesn't sound to angry, does it?)
Harlan Ellison: Along with Clive Barker, Neil Gaiman, and a few others, he tops my list of fave authors. He's always said he's an author of "imaginative fiction," so if you say he's a sci-fi writer, you're asking for a pop in the mouth (even though technically most of his work falls into the sci-fi genre). If you want another great read by him, I suggest picking up a copy of MEFISTO IN ONYX. It's Harlan's take on the whole mind-readin' thing, and has a killer surprise ending. By the way, to all who've read it, wouldn't Sam Jackson be perfect for the role of Rudy?
Oh, and Deuce, to me "The Man Who Rowed Columbus Ashore" is much more than just a time-traveling story...like most of Harlan's work it has some real memorable scenes. Like the one where Levendis is at the death camp.
Aris: Yeah, I once dated a girl that looked like Death, of the Endless. (What, like I'd date a guy? That's NOT MY BAG, BABY!) She didn't have any immortal family members though....I think.
DUMLAO: I saw the old '72 Gargoyle flick. It was HORRIBLE. The effects were cheesy, the acting deplorable...And the plot was one Castaway would have loved: if memory serves me, the Gargoyle's here were a bunch of subterranean creatures who are the descendants of DEMONS. And the humans wipe them out. Something makes me think this would be better than porno to Johnnie boy.
Polls! I love polls!
Weirdest Garg X-over: Jerry Springer. Nuff said.
Most amusing Garg X-over: The Simpsons. Demona and Burns team up to try to take over the world. D'OH!
X-over that has to happen: X-Files. Wherein both Mulder AND Scully see the Gargoyles up close, and Scully STILL says, "There's a perfectly rational, scientific answer to this..."
Let's see, where are the other guys...
**SJ stumbles into the labaratory, only to see dozens of Sevarius Sr. clones holding guns up to his friends...
*Gulp* "Dad? DADS???"
*The Sevari in unison: "JUNIOR! YOU'RE REALLY GROUNDED THIS TIME!"
"But Daaaaaaad!"
TO BE CONTINUED!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:36:40 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net
ARRRRGHHH!! I posted this in the other room to reply to a thread in here!! Here it is.
Gargoyle crossovers: I did try to write a Gargs x-over with my cybercomic. But I don't think
anyone would even know what the hell I'm talking about, so I won't go
into detail ... it didn't get very far into the plot anyway.
As for oddball x-overs ... how about a Gargs/Earth: Final Conflict
x-over? I would imagine that the Clan would have very strong feelings
about the Taelons ... maybe they would be the aliens Nokkar was sent to
stop. And if you really think about it, I think they would take great
offense at the arrival of the Companions ... they're basically stealing
the gargoyles' job! I would write it myself, but I've got other things
going.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:31:02 PM
IP: modem75.i-is.com
Crywy Just think, I have to live down the fact that Bill Gates is from Albuquerque.
Heather Please talk to your friends or an adult, but don't let this go any further. If there is some sicko doing these things, people need to know.
(HUGS)
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:27:13 PM
IP: proxy-361.public.rwc.webtv.net
Thanks you guys.
Well, the cloest thing to a convention is in Texas. And to get reserved seats are $90 bucks. And he isn't even on the guest list.But Leonard is. * smiles *
And yes I know John De Lancie is married. He was the one who ....how can I say , made me want to be an actress or an author. If only one of you has contact with ParaMount or Alien Voices.
I can't tell, and when I told Shawna that we should tell ppl she almost attacked me ! She gave me this look that she was looking at the devil !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:23:25 PM
IP: 207-225-45.ipt.aol.com
BUFFY AND GARGOYLES - One difference that I've noticed between the Buffy Universe and the TGS Universe is the difference on the part of the otherworldly antagonists towards Halloween. In "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", Halloween is a time when the vampires stay home and don't bother doing anything (Spike, for example, just watching videos of Buffy slaying vampires and taking notes - at least, until that former school friend of Giles and his "head of Janus" made things in Sunnydale go awry) while the Unseelies ride openly through New York and trash the place. Very different attitudes, you've got to admit.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:09:55 PM
IP: sys-136.open
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, all five Doom Commandos, the bikers, the five Dark Troopers, and Frankie are making their way through Area 51. TRC's still in trouble and SJ's in the CR with the L-Men fighting PILT.] Bikers! [They turn to face him.] After we're done here, Kitainia wants you to ride back to wherever it is you people hang out when you're not cracking heads for the good of mankind (and gargkind for that matter). [The bikers protest.] I know, I know. She just doesn't want you hurt. You know you promised to take her advice. She's a smart girl you know.
Whoever asked about my end of the RP> Well, it started when we came to the abandoned West Gate Mall to get rid of the evil street gang Vayas Comos Ninjas and find out something about what Dark Mage Wilek and Thailog are planning. Then we found out that they've taken over Area 51 and are in possession of an alien interstellar vehicle, which they are modifying for stealth, so they can enter and leave Earth orbit without being detected by Miriam's Dark Star shipyard. We don't know anything else just now.
Heather> <<Have you ever felt that you are an outcast in your school or whatever and you can't escape it ? That's how I feel everyday when I wake up. It's like " wHo's going to mock and torture me today ?">> Now I can REALLY understand your problem. I have a close friend who, until he graduated, was exactly like that. His parents were no help at all and some of his teachers actually made it worse. There were days he wasn't sure he'd come home alive--or wanted to, for that matter. <<Why should I bother [DeLancie]? He's busy with his "Alien Voices" thing. Why should be bothered by a 14 teen year old kid from Oklahoma.>> Never give up your dream. If a schlemiel like me can become a successful fanfic author, anyone can do anything he/she dreams of. <<We wrote a song together. It's for my Sailor Moon fanfic of my own scouts. It's called "What Did I Do ( To Hurt You )" Cool title , huh ?>> Very. <<* frowns * Today in my Home Ec. class I heard some of my friends ( Swell and Shawna ) saying that they hae been getting their bed rooms being broke into and blood all over their bath rooms.>> Oh, merciful Oberon, no! I'll bet it's the same psychotic s***headed SOB that sent those bizarre letters a while back. Have you three gone to the police? Please do so! They can help! And about your friends committing suicide, Kitainia's advice is the best I've heard.
FS> I listened to that Fieger WAV. Man, if that guy is as evil as he sounds...
MrNoying> Hm, I would join the vote for the gator names, but it wouldn't be fair since I contributed.
Kyryn> Bob Kane died? MAN, all kinds of kewl people are dying lately. What's with that? It's getting kind of creepy...
TJ Veil> Weirdest Gargs crossover: Ren And Stimpy or Cow And Chicken. Most Amusing: Ditto. Most Annoying: Ditto.
Cyrway> Macs are the root of all evil.
SJ> A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men. Hey, did Dad have any input in designing the digital sentience known as MAL? I just watched an ep of Captain Planet...
[Quite suddenly, the team runs across one of Area 51's research labs. None of the scientists looks anything like Brent Spiner. They all look like SJ's dad.] Oh no...they're making clones of Dr. Sevarius and using them to develop that stealth ship! [All the Sevarius clones pull handguns and open fire. To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:06:08 PM
IP: tnt-2-220-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
All right, first, to those visiting San Antonio in the RP, be sure to check out the wonderus, (cue trumpet music) Alamodome! What is the Alamodome you ask? Well, it cost a lot of tax maney, looks nothing like the Alamo, and nothing like a dome, so I guess its a big, not very pretty looking building...
SJ-Silliness is fun though! I'm not sure if you were taking from various quarryman scenes, or the mob scene from Beuty and the Beast...
Todd- Oh geez, that hill of coal things sound familiar, its on the tip of my tounge... But its been years since I've seen any british stuff other than Who's Line Is It Anyway...
**Moment of Silence for Bob Kane.**
Ravyn-Finger cutting is a bad thing to do. It hurts alot! I should know...
Heather- Sorry I kept you up! But it was worth it I think!
Cryway- Advantages to a Mac? Are you kidding! There's tons! Why for instance, there's... Give me a few weeks and I might come up with something...
Wierdest Gargoyle Crossover- Gargs. meets the cast of Wings. Amusing gargoyles Crossover- Gargs. meet Elfquest. There's a character in that series that looks a LOT like Brooklyn... Most annoying gargs. crossover- Gargs. meet the Ninja Turtles. I should know, I wrote a version of that story myself. And it has long since been erased...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:47:58 PM
IP: spider-ta051.proxy.aol.com
Biker garb, not grab. Damn my spelling!
Kitainia
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:40:16 PM
IP: hil-c45-053-vty219.as.wcom.net
Todd: Yes, I'd like to name my kid Jericho. Yes, Christine's character was where I got the name. But if I do have a son and I give him that name, he better turn out like the Jericho in "What Might Have Been" instead of the real universe one! <grin>
Spike: Excellent pics! They all look so wicked. When will we get to put them next to our names?
Ed: Creativity Demon- Brooklyn and Sata end up in dino-time just as Loki escapes the gate. Now he tries to first get some dinosaur tissue samples for use in evil magic, then steal the gate so he can take it back to the boss. I know that won't make more than one ep, probably. But it would be interesting to see. :)
Heather: Ack, that's terrible! My advice is that you confront them with what you know and tell them how much it's not a good idea. Fix it so as many other people as possible do the same. That worked with Gore, maybe it'll also work with them. Geez, do you have problems right now! Good luck solving them. I have a good friend named Shauna, too (short for Shauntara), and I'd hate to lose her. Especially to the easy way out of life.
Creativity Demon 2: **Kitainia turns and looks over her shoulder to see a young blonde vampire in biker grab walking into the CR.**
Kitainia- "Who invited you in?"
Spike- (enters the CR) "The sign over the door, Enter all ye who are Gargoyles Fans. I always loved that show."
:) Later.
Kitainia
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:39:16 PM
IP: hil-c45-053-vty219.as.wcom.net
CYRWAY - Um, I don't quite understand. Just what did I say about Lexington and a game that you were replying to me about?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:35:35 PM
IP: sys-136.open
Yeah , they said that they might kill themselves right at school. I was seating right next to them. They were so scared about what is going on. Shawna was almost crying !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:10:34 PM
IP: 173-89-24.ipt.aol.com
Heather> *blinks.* Yeah, sure, we'll keep our mouths shut...
*sighs.*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:00:44 PM
IP: gcolor.com
Hey, folks...
Okay, after my stupid mac crashed, taking half of the finished copy of Anarchists, I'm going to work all weekend to get it to all who asked for it by Monday...
Will someone tell me the advantage of a Mac? And no one say anything about Microsoft! I'm about as fond as Bill Gates as I am Macs!
Gawd...my kingdom for a Unix...
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:56:57 PM
IP: gcolor.com
Hmm… haven't been in here in days!
Kitania: I think the idea was that after the initial 13, it would expand into the G2158 spin-off. Or, TD was to be accepted and G2158 wasn't, then it would be longer because everything would be packed in. But I'd rather see some sort of closure on Brooklyn's adventures, and then being able to expand with a FT spin-off. That said, I do enjoy TD and think TGS are doing a great job with it. But in some ways I think it seems to be too detached and 'bitty'. Brooklyn and dinosaurs. Personally I hope it doesn't happen… what's going to result from it? I can't really see there'd be more than one isolated episode for it.
Aris: I don't agree, and I think Merlin is very much for the writer to interpret. I think Emrys is an excellent, and very novel, approach.
Spike: We get to see more of the London clan in coming weeks… but surely that means less of the Manhattan clan? ;) OK, maybe it would be better to shut up, sit back and enjoy the ride. ^_^
Nicodemus: If Oberon can give her back her voice, I imagine that the Banshee would ally herself with Oberon to win his favour back. I really doubt she'd ally herself with Madoc. Although if that meant that Rory and Molly were both on the same side that would be a very interesting story… hmm…
ED
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:48:50 PM
IP: webcache6.planet.net.uk
Hi guys. * yawns * Noying kept me up last night. We wrote a song together. It's for my Sailor Moon fanfic of my own scouts. It's called "What Did I Do ( To Hurt You )"
Cool title , huh ?
Kryrn > I got your e-mail but that convention thing came up has a mime file. Send it again but Ziped. Thank you anyway. You help me out.
* frowns * Today in my Home Ec. class I heard some of my friends ( Swell and Shawna ) saying that they hae been getting their bed rooms being broke into and blood all over their bath rooms. And those two are thinking of....killing themselves.
Don't TELL anyone !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:39:26 PM
IP: 173-89-168.ipt.aol.com
NI!
Todd> I wasn't aware of the game...the title just popped in my head, a medaphor on how Lexington was feeling in the story...
Coyote> I pity you...willingly taking almost half of my current characters and some that have not been introduced yet and incorporating them into your world...you are a brave, brave man...and if you ever need to scream, feel free...just remember, Lemmy hasn't been completely housebroken yet...*throws a newspaper at the world's dumbest gargmutt.* Heh...no wonder he only listens to Luc...
Kind of a stupid question, Coyote, but are you going to write WWC in chapters like the rest of the fics or just have one big hoopla...? Either way, I can't wait. ^_^
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:21:14 PM
IP: gcolor.com
**Ravyn walks in, giving the Lawyer some flowers on her way.**
Hi, everyone! Sorry, but I just feel really weird today. I had to make someone's day happy, so I picked the Lawyer. I did have a really neat way to kill him in mind, but decided I had better not. Oh, well.
Coyote> Thanks! ;)
Sevarius Jr.> Great joke! I was laughing in real life at that one! :)
Well, better keep this post kinda short. I just cut one of my fingers kinda bad today and it's takin' me forever to type! :) See ya'll laterz,
Ravyn Maza
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:03:32 PM
IP: svm-ts1-23.c2i2.com
Here's a full house of Unseelie baddies: a king, a queen and a pair of knaves. <<click>> here to see Madoc, nasty Maeve, Loki and Garlon.
Spike
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:01:20 PM
IP: dal-as3-2115.cmpu.net
Shoot. In that first paragraph of my last post it should have read "can be dimunitized."
Doug
Friday, November 6, 1998 04:36:49 PM
IP: splab24.sp.utexas.edu
Who was it that requested the song by The Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays?
Good 'ol Illegal did it again. I have the requested mp3 :)
Now to go package my ZIPs so Mr. Fire Storm can CD them for me :)
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, November 6, 1998 04:36:47 PM
IP: dhcp54.oac-commons.ucla.edu
Todd: Kitainia picked the middle name, not me. She likes the nickname "Jerry," but not Jerome, Jared, or Gerald, the names it is usually short for. So she decided on a name that still be dimunitized to Jerry, but that we both like. Christine's character may have been an influence on her choice.
Deuce: Ditto for Xander and my friend Jim being alike. Of course, Jim is also dating a girl who's more like Buffy than Cordelia, so he can't be totally the same.
DumlaoX: Ok, I'll use Gorebash's CGI then, and try to establish Comment Room pics. Maybe ones of dragons, Gargs characters, my-universe-related fan art, Black Ravens, and so on. Thanks for the correction on whose CGI this is.
Later,
Doug
Friday, November 6, 1998 04:35:52 PM
IP: splab24.sp.utexas.edu
Aris Katsaris> The B-plot in Pratchetts Reaper Man is more than vindicated when you realise just what the 'thing' is developing into and why. How he could possibly have thought to juxtapose 'Aliens' onto the situation is a mark of genius. Elements you would never have thought could mesh suddenly make sense and you kick yourself for not having seen it earlier.
N.B. this post will make absolutely no sense to those who haven't read it, so either ignore this or go off and read it immediately.
MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKFriday, November 6, 1998 03:04:06 PM
IP: ppp-681.telinco.net
** Deuce enters, sporting a bright-red plastic flower. He looks down at it. **
Next Wednesday in Canada is Remembrance Day, so I'm wearing a poppy to -- *reads from brochure* commemorate all the Canadians who gave their lives for their country. I actually have my own reasons for wearing it that have nothing to do with war or holidays, but we'll not get into that here.
Man, did I ever miss a lot! Here's all my replies, and you may have to scroll down quite a ways to get the original postings.
MRNOYING> ["The difference is, the family channel sucks more than Disney."] Must agree.
DOUG RE: Favorite Buffy character> Has to be Xander. Parallels between his attitude and mannerisms and mine are scary.
ROLE-PLAY POSTINGS> I stopped reading the RP's two weeks ago. IMO, they're pretty boring. (No offense guys, it's just MY OPINION).
HEATHER> *big bear hug* We listen, and we really do care. But it is easy to forget who to respond to, and who said what, etc. And everything I said in last week's e-mail is still true. My virtual door is always open. :-) As far as going to hell -- hehe, I mean school -- every day, I've been there too. Details would not be welcome, I sense. And as far as having a crush on someone unattainable, I know what that feels like, too. There's a cheerleader in my math class....
COYOTE RE: school> I'd rather be ignored than hated.
SEVARIUS JR> Harlan Ellison rocks! "The Man Who Rowed Columbus Ashore" has got to be one of the most original time-travel stories I've ever read.
** Leaves, cursing as the pin on the flower jabs him in the chest for the 437th time. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Friday, November 6, 1998 02:13:14 PM
IP: ppp0071.connect.ab.ca
WILEK-- Right on the money. My faithful dog Illegal simply searches for what I tell her to search for. For example, she's getting the new REM album, Up, for me on mp3 right now. *gives her a pat on the head and a dog biscuit "good girl"* BTW, she's a mixed Rottwiler/Australian sheep dog.
LAWRENCE-- Indeed, there was a made for TV movie entitled Gargoyles with special effects done by Stan Winston in 1972. Funny thing is that there are reports that this film will soon be going to DVD. Now if Disney would have such foresight and put the whole animated Gargoyles series we love on DVD :)
DOUG-- Actually, this isn't my code. This is Gorebash's code which can be obtained at http://www.s8.org However, I'm trying to modify that code a bit right now so I can add more cr images and other stuff once I get C++ learned. I wanna optimize the code and such if I can.
JADEN-- Can't even post an estimated date for the premieres for those series becuase we would have so many people down our throats for missing a deadline. You shoulda seen what the responses were when the server was down during the premiere of the season 2 ep.
Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:23:35 PM
IP: dhcp70.oac-commons.ucla.edu
DOUG - You just mentioned wanting to name your son (if you ever have one) Kevin Jericho. Is the "Jericho" bit a hommage to Christine Morgan's character?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:22:16 PM
IP: sys-139.open
**The screen comes on. Doug and the other Ravens have just put another twenty or so random gang members in the dead-book, except for one large Mexican guy with ivy vine tatoos all over his arms. This guys is tied up and being interrogated by Elena while the others search the now-disabled trucks and Doug makes his post.**
Aris: Okay, from now on we'll keep RP in its own paragraphs seperated by **s from now on, nothing in the middle of other text. And generally at the beginning and the end only, always talking about other stuff as well, as a courtesy to you.
Kyryn: Sure if you want to come in go ahead. Happy to have you. We won't be staying in San Antonio too long, though. Just long enough to re-enact the Battle of the Alamo (with different combatants and results), visit Six Flags and the River Walk; and investigate, then destroy Binky the Clown and his Dingaling Brothers and Tardum and Daley circus. <grin>
Stephen RS: You can join in too if you want. Just so you know, Austin is only one of the many locales we will visit in this saga. San Antonio, Santa Fe, San Francisco, Taipei, and many more may also come in. Area 51 already has. Jump in wherever you like, if you're stumped just let us worry about locations.
Harlan Ellison: Has anyone else here read his story in "In the Shadow of The Gargoyle?" Talk about Demona's dream coming true!
A moment of silence for Batman creator Bob Kane. You brought us many great heroes, villains, and storylines. We all mourn your passing from this world and hope you enjoy the next. We also hope that your stories will continue to grow and inspire many people for millenia past your life. I know I will at least include some Batman tales in my own bedtime stories to Leigh Catherine and Kevin Jericho (what we currently want to name them), if Lisa and I ever end up having kids. Let us bow our heads.
**The Ravens, etc. on screen all do so and indulge in a silent prayer and remembrance for Batman's creator.**
Geez, first Kurosawa, then Roddy McDowall, now Bob Kane. Wonder who we'll be mourning next in here. (Hope nobody else so important dies soon.)
Burglary News: The police still don't have anything. Guess he won't be caught anytime soon. Oh well, I'll just go ahead and have us apprehend him in the RP, using that suspicious character I heard about who tried to cash a check without ID last month.
That's all for now. Later everyone.
** The tatooed Mexican Elena is questioning cracks under pressure. He reveals that he is the burglar who's recently robbed several apartments in the area of UT, including Doug's. Unfortunately, he also reveals that he already got rid of, whether by trashing or pawning, all the stuff he took. Doug, looking angry but still keeping his cool, knocks the guy out with his nightstick and tells the others they'll be taking him in for arrest as soon as they find the rest of the gang. As the screen fades out, the Ravens hear sounds of helicopter engines starting up. "The roof!" shouts Shauna. "Come on!" The heroes dash off. To be continued.**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:01:03 PM
IP: fac-b-d6.lib.utexas.edu
Oops... sorry. It was not Doug, it was Sevarius Jr that I was referring to in my last message. It was not 'danced', it was 'dated'. Sorry!
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:45:10 PM
IP: athe530-e064.otenet.gr
And now for something completletely different...
Just some wierd questions:
What show would make for the wierdest crossover with Gargoyles?
What about the most amusing crossover?
And how about the most annoying? (Sailor Moon anyone?)
Coyote> Not only was I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison a game based on a short story, but also the title of the collection of stories that it appeared in. And to what SJ said about him going off on people, pretty much from what I understand if you leave him alone, he'll leave you alone, but if you tick him off, you should probably duck for cover. Oh, and calling him a sci-fi writer is one of the easiest ways to make him mad.
Thought for the day:
"It's up to those of us like you and I who are out of our little minds to cure the rest of the world of its sanity."
(a cyber-donut to the first person to identify the source of the quote)
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:35:23 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu
Batya> Thanks for the cookie. ***Eats it and gives a hug.***
Todd> Esplumeor! Great joke, now that I get it.
Terry Pratchett> My favourite Pratchett books:
Small Gods (which *everyone* should read. It concerns religious fanaticism and is important for everyone.)
Feet of Clay (a great mystery with a lot of red herrings and a lot to say on racial and gender relationships).
Reaper Man (the Death subplot in particular "Lord, what can the harvest hope for, if not for the care of the Reaper Man?" is amazing. A little weak B-plot, but the Death A-plot is a masterpiece.)
Mort (Which IMO is the first 'real' Discworld book). The book that first developed the Death character.
Lords and Ladies was okay I guess, but since I am a Tolkien fan as well, I was a bit off-put to see Elves portrayed in such an evil way.
Maskerade (A Phantom of the Opera parody, which ends up being more serious and more realistic than the original.)
Doug> It depends. Did the girl you danced with, look like Death of Neil Gaiman, or like Death of Terry Pratchett? If the former I envy you! Don't forget that the Endless also define their opposites: Destruction defines creation, Dream defines reality, Death defines life. And she's one of the most beautiful and charming drawn characters I've ever seen.
If the latter... eh, nevermind.
RP> Well I have expressed my distaste for prolonged RP and huge Blaisisms before. I'll only ask that if you want to continue it, *please* make sure it's only at the top and bottom of your message, not throughout it. And that you post for another reason as well, not just for the RP. I've had to skip entire posts because of people posting *only* RP.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:26:22 PM
IP: athe530-e064.otenet.gr
MONS CARBI - You're on the right track, Kitaina, with "Hill of Coal". Try rearranging the words (but not the letters of the words) a little. As I said before, anybody who's familiar with a certain piece of classic British sci-fi television ought to get this one.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:14:25 PM
IP: sys-139.open
And now, instead of the usual roleplay, something incredibly silly:
**Sevarius Jr. marches into the comment room, followed by several dozen angry citizens. He's wearing armor, and is carrying a hammer in his hand.**
We will not rest until the evil CR Lawyer, and all his kind has been destroyed! Aren't you scared? Don't you feel angry that these creatures are stalking the world, and the police do nothing to stop them? While the authorities just turn their backs? Don't you live in fear for your families? Aren't you afraid FOR YOU CHILDREN?? **SJ turns and smiles at Billy's mom, who is also wearing armor and holding a hammer**
We will destroy the evil ones! Join us! Join....the LAWYER HUNTERS!!!
**Several of SJ's followers march in, holding banners. The banners have a familiar Q insignia on them....but that letter has been spray-painted over with an "L"**
WE WILL KILL THE LAWYER! WE WILL NOT STOP! ONLY WHEN THIS WORLD HAS BEEN PURGED OF ALL THEIR VILE ILK WILL WE REST!
**Suddenly, several P.I.L.T. (that's People for Inter-Lawyer Tolerance) members storm into the comment room, ready to fight the "L-Men"....
Has the joke gone on long enough? I guess so.
Wilek: Yes, in fact, Dexter is a distant cousin. On my dad's side. But we never have him over anymore. Last time he was at the old homestead was Thanksgiving, when he brought his sister....and there was an accident with her and one of my dad's experiments...let's just say that Thanksgiving is no fun if THE TURKEY is the one trying to carve YOU with the electric knife. Oh the horror, I can't even mention it...
Coyote: Thank you for mentioning Harlan Ellison, and his great short story, "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream." Everyone I know hates Harlan, but I love his work. And...okay, he's a loudmout, but he can actually write, so I cut him some slack.
I promise folks, next time, I'll be less silly. Only my usual silliness, honest. :)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 11:57:55 AM
IP: rob-106-21.labs.gmu.edu
The RP> Haven't taken too much time for Rping in RL, but... I am tempted to join in on this fracas... Trouble is, I'm all the way up here in Washington! I've been to San Antonio, but that was a long time ago, so I'd never get the location references right! :/ (of course, if the action swings out towards San Angelo or Lubbock...) :)
I have to go with "Mount of Oil" or "Mount of Coal" Todd, and I'm as flumoxed as the rest. What is the signifigance here with "Mons Carbi" ???
Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, November 6, 1998 10:11:37 AM
IP: 176.ieway.com
<Kyryn comes in quietly>
Morning all. I just heard on the news that we lost one of the founding fathers of comics. Bob Kane, the creator of Batman passed away.
Doug> On RP. I may join in occasionally when you get to San Antonio. If so, I will let you know, but my online time sometimes gets limited.
Todd> I speculated earlier about "Mount Charcoal", but I still have no idea of the significance, unless it has something to do with Wales being a heavy coal production area for the British Isles.
Heather> I'm sending you some stuff via email.
<Kyryn walks out>
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Friday, November 6, 1998 09:50:29 AM
IP: 168.37.239.86
** The screen lights up. Doug, Kitainia, and the rest are still exploring the complex. Kitainia begins to speak to the Comment Room.**
Hi, guys. Still nothing to report. **Jammer- "Burglar cracks victim's skull!!" He opens a door and looks in. "Finds nothing!"** We've heard that joke enough, Jim.
Todd: Glad you approve the guidelines. And don't worry, things will be toned down. About Mons Carbi, the fuel you're talking about is coal. And a hill is a smaller form of a mountain. So it means "Hill of Coal." Excuse me if I don't see the significance of that. Mind enlightening me?
Heather: You probably know as well as I do you'll never have the kind of relations you want with that actor who plays Q. Oh well, maybe you'll at least meet him someday. I've met a few actors myself, they've all been very nice. They include William B. Davis (X-Files' CSM), Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, and Robert Duvall.
**The wall suddenly comes tumbling down, and Coyote's tank comes rumbling in. Agent Hacker was unfortunately right in the path of it and he gets run over. Then his body vanishes, maybe the Illuminati teleported him away to bring him back to life. Coyote and co. come out of the tank and Doug begins to talk to them about what they've been doing. Kitainia continues to address the CR.**
Welcome to our side of the RP, Coyote, Jason, Buick, and Gearhead. Hope you enjoy it here more than the sidelines. **Jammer grins. "It can be more dangerous, if we could just find the bad guys!"** <looks at him> Calm down. <turns back to the CR>
Jaden: The RP is an ongoing saga Doug, Coyote, myself, and others are doing as part of our posts in addition to the main comments. Our quest is to stop the plots of Thailog and Wilek's evil clone the Dark Mage, who want to somehow take over the world. A Xanatos-like businessman named Roger Marsh is supplying them, and their main enforcers are Doug's evil Borged-up clone Guod and my psychotic clone Asil. They also have in their tentacles several of our old enemies, various organized crime gangs we're currently dealing with, a corrupt circus, tons of robots, and lots more. We're slowly wearing the ranks of their armies down, don't know how soon we'll be done. We've searched their warehouse, their offices, and their club, and so far found no more of them. If this takes more than another posting, I think we'll just pack up and head on to find the circus in San Antonio. Doug and I are currently being helped by our group of best friends, a "gang" calling itself the Black Ravens. We also have a gov't liasion named Agent Janice Ripowski, here to make sure we do everything within proper procedures. **Everyone on the screen groans, Mist hisses, and Buick whines.** Wilek and some friends of his, Fleur, Traveller, Coyote, TRC, and SJ are also involved on various fronts in the long fight (I'll let them tell you what they're doing). If you want to come in, too, feel free. Since you didn't know what the RP was before now, we'll gladly give you another chance to come in. **Keith sighs. "How did someone ever miss our antics?"** Of course in order to do so, you'll need an "RP personality" that's a bit tougher and more heavily armed than you are in real life. Or be your RL self, but remember, combat in here is constant and you may want to create an alter-ego who knows how to handle them-self in a fight. For example, take my friend Alex Cleary here. **A chubby Raven who looks like a young Frohike takes a bow.** IRL, he is a professional computer programmer who doesn't really get out much (by choice). In this RP, he is Gubio, the world's most scrupulous computer hacker, pilot of a Timberwolf mech, and crack shot with a Colt .45. Gubio also has the alter-ego of Alex's cat Mist to help him out, a giant feline humanoid mutant who is sentient and carries a Gatling gun. (Yes, it scares me, too.) **Gubio smiles. "That's the idea."** We have various other RP personalities in our group as well. Doug's a Duke Nukem/Seth like action man, I'm a half-human half-gargoyle mutant, my sister Stephanie is a Highlander immortal, etc. So if you want to, whether it's to Austin or Area 51 (the places we are right now), feel free to join in. In whatever form you deem worthy.
Wilek: I just had our wizard Lathrop teleport the Doom Commandos you sent us to wherever Cobra is, which I assume is also where you are. We won't be needing them here anymore. Also, please tell Cobra to pull himself and his biker boys and girls out of this mess as soon as you get done cleaning out Area 51. He'll probably protest, in fact I know they will all protest, but it's for the best. This is our fight, we can handle it without them, no reason for them to get themselves hurt anymore than I'm sure they are already. If they get huffy enough, remind them that I'm asking them and they promised to at least sometimes heed my wisdom. Good luck.
MrNoying: You didn't have to stop the CR Lawyer thing, just tone it down a little. Less RP, more comments and things to say. Thanks for the entertainment while it lasted. Be seeing you in San Antonio real soon.
TGS-related post: Yes, I'm wondering why the US government is not responding to the Gargs in New York. Maybe it's one part Illuminati high-ups telling them to stay out, one part being occupied with other problems (like the Clinton troubles, the budget, election campaigns), and one part the city council of New York probably vouching that the clan aren't a problem after they saved all their lives. Anybody agree?
That's all for now. Bye.
** The Ravens and their Mafia allies, along with Coyote and co., form ranks and head on down the corridor. At the end they open a door into the gangs' illegal drugs and cheap knock-offs factory. Inside, trying to throw their goods in trucks and close the place down, are more Mafia goons, Bloods and GD gang members, and Yakuza ninja thugs. A group of Hispanic punks from Elena's old Houston neighborhood, that calls itself the Makos, is also in the room. "Get them!" Fernando Garcia, the Makos' leader, shouts just before Elena's energy-charged machine gun burst takes him down. The Ravens and their allies then rush into the room, joining in battle again as the screen clicks off. To be continued.**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Austin, TX, USA
Friday, November 6, 1998 09:20:28 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty21.as.wcom.net
DOUG - Good guidelines. Hopefully they should bring things much better under control here.
WILLIAM NICHOLSON - Since it doesn't look at the moment as if anybody will get this one, I'll have to answer it myself (maybe I made it just a little too subtle). It's a reversal of "Nicol Williamson", who played the part of Merlin in the movie "Excalibur".
The guessing still stands for the significance of the name "Mons Carbi" for Emrys's school. Here are two more hints: What's a smaller, gentler form of a mountain? And what well-known fuel is made of carbon?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:28:43 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-140.primary.net
(Enter Jim Iza Noying)
Alrighty, some of you have already figured out that I played the part of the CR Lawyer for the last week. I had orignally intended it to be a haloween post only, but then people replied to it, and I had to respond! Seems my IP address gave me away tho'... (By the way, you can stop e-mailing me saying you know my secret now) And since that's ruined now, there isn't much point in continuing the story I was running between the two of them...
For those interested, the trial would have ended with the room being condemnded, but then Oberon was going to show up, and ban the CR Lawyer (ala Puck) from posting himself, forcing him to only enter the room to be killed. But since the fad is over now anyhow and the RP's need to be cut down, I'm offing mine, and will stick to meaningless, one or three line sketches when I enter. No long scenes, unless they're requested. Heck, the gators should keep me plenty busy. So, the CR Lawyer won't be coming on as an individual anymore, but its okay to bring him in and kill him on occasion. (Though no one is going to top Zath's.)
Now then, about the gator names, they still need them people! Apparently no one understood me, we're VOTING on their names. They are the comment room's pets, not mine alone after all. Of course, we could just keep referring them to the CR's rabid gators...
Heather- I'm going to ignore you in the comment room from now on just like everyone else. (I'm just kidding! Sheesh!)
Wilek- Someone else knows about Doctor Who? I THOUGHT I WAS ALONE!
Anyhow, that's about it. This place IS getting crowded this week...
(One last time before he can't ever again after this, Jim Iza Noying kills the CR Lawyer. Use your imagination on how it happened, it's the last death we'll see