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Ach, I know this'll be erased soon, but I'm gonna post it anyhow. ;)
Wilek & Coyote> Thanks so much for the well wishes! *hugs*
SOROW> I can feel your pain with those football blues. My high school's team is 0 and 9 with one more game left to play this Friday that they'll probably lose. :(
Everyone> Speaking of my high school's football team, if anyone doesn't know yet my 'significant other' is on that team. Since their last game is Friday and they're definitely going to have a really bad season, he's been kinda down lately and I need to think of some way to cheer him up. Any ideas? Anyone? Please? ;)
Ravyn Maza
Sunday, November 8, 1998 05:23:04 PM
IP: svm-ts1-10.c2i2.com
This will be erased soon, but I'll say it anyhow.
Nobody earned a cyber-donut for placing my quote, but it came from Monty Python. (If you're wondering why I don't give out cyber-cookies its because I don't own a factory. ;-))
After starting the discussion on crossovers, I think it's only fair that I add my two cents worth. I can think of several interesting crossovers that could be done through the Illuminati. One of my personal favorites, 'Alone' is between the Gargs and the show VR5 which also contained a secret society called the Committee. And seeing as how the Illuminati might have several different names to help keep it secret.... As to wierd and/or annoying crossovers one that comes to mind would be Demona meeting Barney.
And since everyone else seems to have an opinion on this, I'll add mine.
***Spoilers for I'm Sorry***
I think that I'm Sorry is an excellent work of fiction, but it isn't one of my personal favorites for one reason. When combined with the entire Gargoyles universe, there are several plot holes. The most notable of these is what happened to the Cold-trio. Also, were the New Olympians infected? These type of questions that pop up after reading a fic are IMHO some of those that keep excellent fics from being among the best.
This next part also has some spoilers for Season 5 of Babylon 5. Aris' post on the quote from Babylon 5 brought up an interesting point. The quote was G'Kar asking Londo how he could apologize for millions of dead Narn. Londo said he couldn't, so Londo said he couldn't forgive him. However, early in Season 5 of B5 Londo did in fact apologize to G'Kar for all that he did, and in one of the latest episodes G'Kar said that although he couldn't forgive the Centauri people for what they had done, he did forgive Londo. Sometimes an apology is all that is needed for forgiveness to begin.
***End all Spoilers***
Well, now that I'm finshed with that, I'll see if anyone can win a cyber-donut by identifying the source of my quote:
thought for the day:
"People are weak. They're stupid. Why would you want to be one?"
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 05:12:02 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu
Tonight the Babylon 5 movie River of Souls on TNT is showing. It will be up against Mary Poppins on UPN and A Knight in Camelot on ABC.
To see the wonderful pictures of me and Solstice, Kanthara made,
if the link doesn't work this time, go to http://myst.org/kanthara/contest/
Starsinge
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 05:10:36 PM
IP: proxy-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net
Entity: If it's any consolation, I didn't write the first Gargs/X-Men crossover. That honor belongs to Ryley Breen, aka Shadow Master. His story "Crossroads of Life" can be accessed at http://www.theberries.ns.ca/sb15/lecroix.html or by clicking my name. It's very long, and Elisa becomes WAY too powerful, but it's still pretty good. We do think alike on mutants, the children of the atom explanation didn't sit well with me either. I suppose for a population that doesn't know about the fay, though, it would suffice.
Origins of Mutants: Well, from what I know of genetics, when random new genes show up in a population, they only initially manifest themselves on the briefest of occasions. So that would go big-time for fay genes that give mutants their powers. Only a few human "witches" would have them at first, then some true mutants would slowly arise (such as Magneto and Wolverine, who've been around since the 1920s at least), but not until the late 20th century would mutants be around in sufficent number to be noticed and dealt with by the public. That's the best explanation I can give for why it took a thousand years of fay intervention in the human gene pool for them to appear. As for how fay heritage brought on all the various mutant powers it did, well, I doubt even Sevarius Jr. can fully explain the mysteries of genetics, let alone me. So let's just say it happened, and why does not matter that much. Now I'll drop this subject at Entity's request.
Mandi: Right now the Buffy crossover is just an idea in my head, I really don't know when I'll be writing it. I also have to make a lot of events happen in my universe in order to set it up. Formally involve Maeve in my universe, and all that goes with getting her to drop whatever she's doing now and come help her child (and Madoc's, they are together in my fanfic saga) do some terrible things. Decide exactly what the vampires are doing in my world, collectively and individually. Decide how I will take the action from Manhattan to Sunnydale. And so on. It's probably about ten-twelve stories away, the way events are set to happen now. Glad you're looking forward to it, don't worry, I know all the most well-known Buffy characters (with the possible exception of Angel if he really divorces himself from the show like I hear he will) will put in appearances. It's a long way off, but it will eventually be done.
Doug
Sunday, November 8, 1998 03:58:21 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zoy-vty79.as.wcom.net
Okay, this is an illegal use of the computers in the Physics lab, but my PC's misbehaving and I needed a break from catchup lab work.
I'm Sorry: Has to be the best Demona fic I've ever read. I'm biting my tongue to keep from saying that it's the best fic, period, mainly because I'm too indecisive to really pick out an all-time greatest Garg fic. But I agree wholeheartedly with all the praise it's received.
Crossovers: I think a crossover with Power Rangers could be done tolerably if kept as a parody. There's a guy named Montgomery who posts absolutely hysterical and occasionally twisted Power Rangers parodies to Usenet. Thanks to babysitting (amazingly enough, I still have a charge or two who loves Power Rangers), I still see that show from time to time. It's still nowhere NEAR the quality of Gargoyles, but the new version's not as annoying and actually has plots to some episodes. A parody crossover might work if done correctly. Hmm, maybe I should bug Monty about this...
Deuce: How about Gargs crossed with Must See TV? So far, there's been a Friends crossover ("The One Where the Gang Grows Wings") and a Caroline in the City cross (Ok, that's my doing, I admit). I'm amazed nobody's done Seinfeld yet.
Stargate SG-1 would be rather interesting, considering that the series has yet to mention Anubis among the gods. I'm working on that crossover now, and I like the idea of Anubis pretending to be among the ranks of the goa'uld to orchestrate the uprising which effectively blocked their access to Earth with the burial of the Stargate. Of course, he couldn't do so directly, but he'd make it easier for the humans to rebel.
Doug: You're working on a Buffy/Garg cross too now? Can't wait to see it!
Airwalker: On the "what if" about Dingo and the Matrix...now that would be interesting. I doubt Dingo would be all that thrilled initially when he realizes that Matrix assimilated his mind into the collective (one loud voice amidst the collective bellowing, "You did WHAT??"). He probably would resist any attempts of the Matrix to merge any further than the body armor, too, if his distaste for the cybernetic Jackal and Hyena in "Upgrade" was any indication. It would be an interesting development and conflict, since Dingo would not initially deal with it too well.
Coyote: You're mapping all of them out already? Best of luck to you; that's got to be a lot of work. :)
Speaking of work, I should be getting my lab done. 'Til Wednesday! (ED. Note: That's the day after Mandi's Creative Writing story, Honors paper, template program, and Discrete Math homework are all due in one day!) See why it's been so long? :)
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 02:10:59 PM
IP: 144.175.2.227
I'm Sorry> I thought the ending was the best part of the story, which really worked for me because I love good climaxes. And this was an incredible climax - which just goes to prove that climax doesn't necessarily go hand-in-hand with a huge battle or something like that. "I'm Sorry" succeeded on so many levels... if anything else, it was the most mature Gargs fic I've ever read. I've read the story about three times in its entirety, and each time my eyes welled up at the end. One of the other things that I really liked was Coyote's involvement. I liked his role in that story a lot.
Gargoyles/X-Men crossovers> *snaps fingers* Aw, and I was hoping to write the first.... Oh well, should have expected that someone would've gotten around to it by now. What really gets me is that your idea for the origins of mutants, Doug, dances incredibly close to my own. In fact, the reason I decided to write a crossover was when, while standing in line to get lunch one day at school, it just suddenly hit me out of nowhere: Hey, I thought to myself, what if mutants got their powers from fay genes introduced to the human gene pool? The one thing that always irked me about X-men was that the mutants' powers bordered more on magical, so the explanation they give in X-Men (i.e. "Children of the Atom") just didn't sit with me.
Well, I suppose great minds think alike, Doug. ;) Well, I'm still going to write my story, because although Doug's explanation of mutancy dances dangerously close to my own, mine does have a bit of an extra twist. But if I may, can I ask that the discussion in here stop? I don't mean to sound bossy, but I'd really appreciate it if the origins of mutantkind didn't continue into a full-fledged CR discussion. The chance exists that my little twist to their origins will be discovered and I'd really like to be able to write this fic. :) Thanks.
Entity
Sunday, November 8, 1998 01:17:05 PM
IP: ely-oh5-48.ix.netcom.com
Luach, Gillecomgain and Macbeth: Is it necessarily an inaccuracy? Were we ever told in Gargoyles that Luach is Macbeth's biological son? If the historical Macbeth treated Luach as his son, then there's no inaccuracy in the episode.
Btw, does anyone else think that Macbeth could well have been involved in the Scottish rebellion seen in Braveheart? (Though I am ashamed to admit that this movie was the first time I even heard of it)
***Spoilers for 'I'm sorry' below ***
Airwalker> Yes, those things you said are definitely spoilers, and you did well to warn everyone. The names of the survivors themselves are spoilers. To say that they still survived at the end, it's an even more certain spoiler.
A sequel ofcourse always depends on the writer's willingness to write one. I can easily imagine Elisa and Demona planning to clone people, or give birth to new ones (artificial insemination etc) but I'm not at all certain it would make for a good story.
As for Nokkar, I'd say he's dead, or they would have heard of him after two centuries (yeah, I know Greg Weisman said he might not have been affected, but the fic doesn't necessarily follow the rules of Greg Weisman). The ColdTrio and the Matrix is a different matter: I'm not certain Aaron Ziegler even considered them. But Dingo would certainly be dead.
*** End spoilers ***
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 11:35:31 AM
IP: athe530-c109.otenet.gr
Contains some thoughts on the story 'I'm Sorry'. Spoiliers might not be necessary for what I wrote here, but I'm warning everyone anyway.
Jaden - Although 'I'm Sorry' only features Cyoti, Elisa, and Demona, I suspect that they might not be the only living beings on that particular earth. Coldfire and Coldsteel are just robots, so the virus shouldn't have any effect on them. Coldstone isn't really alive. He's just animated stone, so how can the virus touch him? Matrix is just a machine. He was a group mind to begin with. What if he absorbed Dingo's mind into his collective when his body died? (I've always had this picture in my head of Dingo becoming immortal. If Matrix seeks to create order, then that will eventually lead him to try and understand the people around him. In that quest for greater insight into humanity so that he may accomplish his mission could lead him to merge himself together with Dingo to such a point that they become one being, looking kind of like a silvery version of Dingo. I've always imagined this being wandering around in 2158 seeking to keep his lost humanity, and watching out over the various terran races, a robotic/humanistic guardian/sentinel who is trying to keep order, and freedom at the same time, forever.) Nokkar is an alien, his physiology probably vastly more different than any fey, so it's possible he has an immunity.
I said it in my last post and I'll say it again, this is a story that should have a sequel. There are so many unanswered questions - What will Elisa do now? What about the characters that I previously mentioned? What about the future? Elisa has time, and nobody to bother her. If she started studying genetics, and with some recovered DNA samples from various cities, and gargoyle clans, she could possibly make some clones, revive the two races. It would take time, and effort but what is time to an immortal? I can imagine seeing Elisa, Matrix, and Coldstone as guardians of two new races a million years down the road. (The others Cyoti, Coldfire, Coldsteel are just robots and I imagine that they would wear down after a couple thousand years.) I can see Demona seeking a redemption of some sort in embracing her gargoyle nature which she has denied for so long in her insane quest, and becoming a sentinel over the two races. Being immortal, what else do they have to do with their time?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, November 8, 1998 09:05:54 AM
IP: 87.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net
ARIS - Yep, there was a real historical Bodhe, but about all that we know of him was that he was Gruoch's father. Actually, all the human characters in the "City of Stone" flashbacks (or at least, all the named ones) were real historical figures (except for Hakon and the Captain of the Guard).
Perhaps the only substantial difference between the "City of Stone" Macbeth story and actual history, other than the inclusion of the fantasy elements, was Luach's parentage. In real history, he was the son of Gruoch by Gillecomgain and Macbeth's stepson; in "City of Stone", he was portrayed as Macbeth and Gruoch's son.
By the way, as I recall, we recruited Aaron Ziegler to write "Requiem" precisely because of his having written "I'm Sorry". That is: the mood of the two stories was similar enough to make Aaron a desirable choice for the writer.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, November 8, 1998 08:35:37 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-90.primary.net
Bodhe> Yeah, definitely a coward. Was there a historical Bodhe? And if so, was this an accurate depiction of him, as far as we know?
Robby> It's actually very reasonable that it will be reminiscent of Requiem since it was Aaron Ziegler who wrote both stories. :)
Spoiler Warnings> I agree. People should remember to write 'SPOILERS!' before they spoil a story. Remember that not everyone has read it, and even small things (like the names of the people who survived) are plot-points that are not revealed until the middle of the story, or even the end of it.
**** SPOILERS FOR 'I AM SORRY' BELOW *****
Sevarius Jr> I agree that it's quite possible you wouldn't have forgiven Demona even after two centuries of loneliness. However one of the major points of the story is that not all humans are the same: Elisa is a protector, not an avenger; for me it's more improbable that she would continue to hunt Demona after two centuries, than that she decided not to kill her after all.
Moreover going on with the Hitler analogy, Demona did far worse than Hitler in that she destroyed three *species*, not nations or racial groups, billions, not millions. However the point is not whether she can be forgiven: the story never says that Elisa forgives her. It's whether the genocide would be completed by Elisa's hand or not; that it was not, and that Elisa no longer had the Hunt as her lone purpose in life, is the bittersweet triumph of the story's ending.
In fact IMO Demona can never be forgiven. It's as G'kar in B5 said, one word for every drop of blood: "Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. How do you apologise to them?" "I can't." "Then I cannot forgive." But tolerance, understanding and the wish not to continue the circle of vengeance are different from forgiveness.
I would kill Hitler in a second if that would stop him from hurting more people. But if he could kill no more people, then why should I kill him? For vengeance's sake? As Xanatos said vengeance is for fools, hollow and useless.
Elisa in the end of the story doesn't forgive Demona, just doesn't kill her. Demona hopes that after an additional two centuries Elisa might tolerate her enough to let Demona travel with her. And even that wouldn't mean forgiveness.
*** END SPOILERS ***
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 08:04:53 AM
IP: athe530-e093.otenet.gr
DOUG - I imagine that Bodhe was able to stay on in his advisory position thanks to being family; he was Macbeth's father-in-law after all.
An interesting explanation for mutants, by the way, although I'm curious about one thing. I'm not that familiar with "X-Men", but what I had seen of the series (my main source for them) indicated that mutants were a very recent development, only appearing in the latter half of the 20th century. Given that that would be a thousand years after the Great Expulsion from Avalon which set up the prospect of the fay mating with humans, that raises the question of why it took almost a thousand years for the mutants to show up.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, November 8, 1998 07:58:38 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-90.primary.net
**The screen comes on. The Ravens' convoy is still speeding after the main enemy transport chopper and being pursued by several more Apaches and Cobras that probably belong to Thailog's militia-leader associate General Zale. As everyone looks on, they turn onto IH-35 and speed past Highland and Northcross Malls. Several more of the gunships are shot down, but the transport is still flying too far out of range to be hit. However, Shauna has a small trick up her sleeve. As they pass the Lakeline Mall exit, she yells "Ni!" and presses a button on a small yellow and gold stick in her hand. The arrow she shot into the chopper's tail earlier explodes, taking out the craft's entire back section. It flips over and plummets, several of the Mafia and Yakuza inside tumbling out to a hard landing on the ground below. Oyabun Iori Sumata, his three isshi, Giovanni Bennatruce, and their five main goons are the only ones who manage to parachute to safety before the chopper crashes and blows up. Kitainia's Mafia friends pull their limo and Humvee over and rush out to take care of them while the Ravens continue weaving around on the freeway to blast down the enemy helicopters still in pursuit. As soon as they're done, Doug turns to make a post.**
Should have these gangs mopped up soon. Let me say some other stuff while we're waiting for the deed to be done.
Ninja Turtles crossovers: I was going to write one once, then I decided I really didn't want the clan going up against Shredder and Krang. So I scrapped the idea. But the Rat King, a guy who can exist outside the TMNT universe as well as inside, has and will make a few cameo appearances in my work.
I'm Sorry: Cool fic. I liked the ending. I think Airwalker's right, Demona needs to be reformed. In my saga, of course, she already is. (Don't worry, she's still a psychopath underneath, just a different sort.) Today, I thought up a scene where she helps the last Hunter give up his own anger and insane quest before it can kill him. Don't worry, that scene will happen, but it is a long way off.
John Glenn thing: If I could afford to rent an ape suit right now, I might do it. But since I can't and nobody's seriously considering doing it, oh well.
Did everyone hear that Gin-grinch is resigning from Congress? Hope the next Republican Speaker has as much wisdom and less anger in him. The chances for that are good.
X-Men Crossovers: I've written a couple actually. "One Psycho to Another" brought mutants fully into my fanfic universe as a presence, and a generally accepted one (The long mass prejudices against both them and gargoyles cooled down and ended a while ago in my work). The NYPD even has a Mutant Crimes Task Force to handle the ones who are still bad, with four good mutants on the payroll. The leader, Captain Bob Shatner, is a blowhard. Literally. That's his mutant power, controlling and blowing out blasts of wind. "Masterpiece" was more an X-Men crossover because the team actually made a big cameo appearance and helped the clan beat off some punks. However, since only Xavier and Rogue really did anything important to the plot, it can't be considered a true crossover from certain viewpoints. I did however explain a possible origin of mutants in that story. Namely, the fay Oberon exiled in 994 spreading their genes around humanity and creating many Halflings, which in turn spawned the mutant race. That's actually an interesting idea, if I do say so myself. :) X-Men characters will appear in more of my work, of course. The next one includes a cameo by Archangel, and the full team (including Magneto) will have to help the clan once again when "The Ultra-Pack Cometh." I use the cartoon show X-Men myself, don't know much about the comic ones. If you need any tips, Entity, feel free to send some mail my way. I also have elements of TGS in my work, namely Timedancer and the Unseelie.
Bodhe: Oh yeah, he is a coward. Big time. I'm suprised Macbeth took him for an adviser, given that he knew that. Oh well, I always think if you need advisers, you should always have at least three. One who tells you the morally worst possible course, one who tells you the best, and one who tells you the course that's in between. Then you decide what to do, not them. Letting Bodhe possibly make the decision on Demona's clan may have been Macbeth's big mistake. Not trusting him and letting her anger control her was Demona's.
Jaden: Sure. Any time you want, feel free to join our madness. <Muhaha> Hope you have fun.
Coyote: 2038 Changeling in Graeme's party? Oh boy. Something tells me I better get my Timedancer "Next Generation" fic out before WCC so everyone knows the full implications of that. I only have one scene left on the New Olympians one, I guess I'll do my first Timedancer fic next. Everyone who reads it will see how Rachel Xanatos/Changeling, Samson (my universe's), Graeme, etc. turns out in 2038, and finally discover the identity of that strange new character I've been mentioning in here, VJON. I'll also tease people a lot about the possible ending to my fic saga in there. You'll have to read it to discover how.
BTW, Chris's archive is still down. I have copies of all my fics on me, though, so if anyone wants to read some, just e-mail me and ask. <grin>
Firestorm: I'm pretty sure the movie they were referencing in "Fleeting Encounters" was the Gargs movie Disney will begin filming soon, hopefully. There's no character named Goliath in the 1970s Gargoyles film.
Can't wait for the new episode later today. See you guys again then. Bye!
**Gino runs Giovanni through with his sword/cane, and Franco cracks Iori's head between his huge hands. Doug shakes his head at the disgusting display of wanton gore and violence. The goons and isshi quickly join their bosses in the dead-book, and the Ravens, now finished with their gang troubles, assemble in the center of a parking lot just off the highway. Shap and Orion begin distributing healing spells while Lathrop conjures them all up some extra ammo as the screen goes out. To be continued next time!**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 04:21:48 AM
IP: hil-c45-042-vty109.as.wcom.net
DumlaoX: Yup, thats the episode!
Geez! Maybe I should read "I'm Sorry"!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 02:31:27 AM
IP: dhcp160.visitus.net
Hmm, "I'm Sorry" WAS very good. Kinda reminiscent of Requiem in a few ways... I can't say much about it that hasn't already been said, without SPOILER warnings... Ah well, anyone who has the time to spare should read it, the way to it is in some address below this one...
Ah geez, now I'm gonna have to try and do better than that in my fanfics too? Oii...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, November 8, 1998 12:13:30 AM
IP: spider-ta062.proxy.aol.com
**The screen lights up to reveal the Ravens' enlarged convoy, including Coyote's tank, in hot pursuit by the backup choppers. One of the choppers is being piloted by Kim, an old acquaintance of Coyote's. He sees her piloting the craft, his eyes flaming.**
Oh no, you don't!
**She aims her guns at the convoy, firing wildly. Coyote turns the main turret of the tank to face the chopper.**
FIRE ONE!
<"Fire one away, boss!">
**The turret fires a 8-inch shell at the chopper, shearing off its weapons. Cursing all the way, Kim banks the chopper away, just as Gubio's mech fires a shot to shear the other one in half.**
Thanks for the assist, dude!
<"No prob.">
Well, we're still in hot pursuit. Let's try some replies, shall we?
"I'm Sorry": Call me an unenlightened hick **shouts from around the CR: "YOU UNENLIGHTENED HICK!!"**, but I haven't read this fic yet. But from what I've heard about it, I just have to see how it rates, seeing as how many people here (with the exception of SJ) have proclaimed it the greatest Gargfic ever.
Doug: The filk could work. That's just my opinion without knowing what the melody sounds like.
Todd: Another one for you ... Brooklyn encounters the U.S. troops assigned to northern Europe during WWI and comments on how their dark uniforms make their faces look so "doughy." Those soldiers later call themselves "Doughboys," which if I recall my WWI history correctly was a company of troops the US brought into Russia to support the White forces during the Russian Revolution (as opposed to the Bolsheviks, aka the Red forces.).
Deuce: Which team, the Flames or the Oilers? And I agree with you about the Avalanche ... as far as I'm concerned, Claude Lemieux is one of many Antichrists in North America (#4 in my book, right behind Bill Gates, Barney and Martha Stewart.). And that's not just because of the homemade facelift he gave Kris Draper during the '96 Western Conference Finals!
Ravyn: AII!! Here's hoping healing comes to you soon!
Coldstone: As ambitious as your proposal of crossing the DeGuy Saga and Spike's cycle is ... I must thank you immensely for contributing a character to WCC. I was putting together the characters tonight, and right now, it looks like there's a little bit of everything in this one. (BTW, Doug: since you're interested, one pairing I already know is that Changeling will be in the party Graeme leads. Just FYI.)
SOROW: Sorry that I can't mirror your football woes, but I have to say that Michigan State surprised the crap out of me this evening ... who'da thunk they would beat the #1 team in the country by four points?! (Right now, that's probably the top candidate for Upset of the Year.)
Deuce again: At least chlorine just makes you sneeze. You *really* don't want to know what chlorine does to my sinuses. (Two words: facial hemmorhaging.)
Entity: Ask Doug about a Gargs/X-Men x-over. "Masterpiece" was one.
Wilek: Please, send me corrections so I can make sure I've got it right. I'm still waiting for two people to send me alliances.
***RP NOW!!***
**A missle flies past Coyote's head. Jason stands up in his seat, turning around.**
<"What the hell was that?!">
Hand-held rocket launcher. Should've known. She's always prepared. **reaches down, picks up a weapon, aims it.** Here goes nothing!
**Coyote launches a stream of flame from his weapon, a compact hand-held flamethrower, which immolates the chopper, but leaves it intact enough to land. Coyote turns the turret back toward the front of the vehicle, continuing the convoy chase as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, November 8, 1998 12:11:22 AM
IP: 207.91.254.30
I just read "I'm Sorry" and...WOW. It is very good, I couldn't stop reading it till I reached the end. Kind of depressing thou...only three intelligent beings on the planet. Oh well it's better than zero.
Wilek Nereus> I don't think Vader would have survived long enough for Luke to find a doctor to treat him. But if he did survive...I see linch mobs, riots, and people sreaming for his blood. So in my opinion I think it would be better if Luke just took off the mask.
Ok...for this RP thing I know I need a character (got one)and maybe a villian (give me 10 seconds...ok got one). Now all I need to do is jump in right?
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Saturday, November 7, 1998 10:46:44 PM
IP: pm1-16.sma.silcom.com
I'M SORRY - I'll side with Airwalker on this one. If Elisa had killed Demona, she'd only have completed the genocide process; there'd be no humans and no gargoyles left whatsoever. That would have done nobody any good.
I do feel that Demona is more to blame than Macbeth for the 1057 disaster; she could, after all, have waited to see what Macbeth would do, rather than immediately jumping to conclusions. It's been pointed out that Macbeth had a good reason for the patient response that he gave to Bodhe's advice (much more patient than the advice deserved, IMHO); he needed to show Luach that you have to listen to what your advisors say if you're going to get any respect from them. However, I feel that the real culprit for the 1057 disaster was Bodhe and his cowardly advice.
In fact, the evidence shows that Bodhe was wrong; ditching the gargoyles would not have ensured peace. This is shown by the fact that, after the gargoyles deserted Castle Moray, the English still went ahead and sacked the place. Furthermore, Canmore's English soldiers evidently stood by him in the war with Luach that followed, even after all the gargoyles were gone (except for Demona, and Canmore didn't know then that she was still alive). If they really had been fighting Macbeth just to get rid of the gargoyles, as Bodhe believed, they'd have all turned around and gone home after Demona's clan was dead, leaving Canmore on his own against Luach's forces. So much for Bodhe's advice (which was pretty despicable anyway; what sort of peace can be won by betraying your allies?).
In fact, when you stop to think it over, Bodhe seems to have had a track record of cowardice and weakness throughout the series. He made no effort to go to his daughter's aid when she went to Macbeth's rescue in 1020. He was ready to give her in a loveless marriage to the cruel and brutal Gillecomgain in 1032 (indicating that he didn't care that much about her). He urged Macbeth to give himself up to Duncan in the off-chance (extremely unlikely, IMHO) that Duncan would spare Gruoch and Luach if he did that; I doubt that Duncan would have spared Luach, at least, after hearing the Weird Sisters' prophecy that Luach would someday become King of Scotland. He urged Macbeth to kill the young Canmore, something that even Demona would not stoop so low as to do; while it's been argued by some that such a deed would have prevented Canmore's invasion 17 years later, I feel that if Macbeth had killed a helpless child, even for reasons of state, he'd have wound up overthrown himself by a horrified populace in a hurry. In fact, I think that that last piece of advice was really another sign of Bodhe's cowardice; ready to knuckle under and try appeasement whenever faced with a show of force, he had no problems taking the "strong approach" whenever dealing with somebody who was defenceless. When you stop to think it over, it's a little astonishing that the gentle and noble Gruoch was actually his biological child; she must have taken after her mother.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 09:34:11 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-165.primary.net
What, no comments on the bad Puck joke earlier? Hmm, I thought it was clever. Oh well...
SJ and Airwalker and anyone else who may talk about "I'm Sorry" in detail, remember a little notation called, SPOILERS, please? I was halfway through with your messages before I realised I was killing the ending for myself... I still intend to read the story in a minute, but a warning would be nice. Yes, you did put up a little break off, but neglected to mention SPOILER, so I assumed you would just comment on if you liked it or not. Ah well...
Wilek- The Master IS the coolest vilain ever, in any of his MANY MANY MANY forms... (Except that horrible one they did in the Dr. Who movie a year or so back with the eigth doctor...) And while the Daleks are cool villain, they look a bit too muchlike salt and pepper shakers for my taste.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 09:23:14 PM
IP: spider-we051.proxy.aol.com
I'm Sorry - This was a fabulous story. I've always had an interest in alternate history, and found that story to be great reading. In fact I always felt that there should be a sequel to it. There are enough loose end for it (ex: Coldtrio, Matrix, Nokkar), as well as seeing what Elisa would do now that the Hunt is over. That's a story I would love to read.
Sevarious Jr. - I don't disagree with what Elisa did at the end of 'I'm Sorry'. It's true that for what Demona did in that story, she doesn't deserve to live. But if Elisa kills her, it means the true end to not only their lives but to the human and Gargoyle races. As long as the two of them are alive, there is someone to remember that there was a humanity, and that there were Gargoyles. If Elisa did kill her, then Demona would have won. Humanity would be gone, utterly.
The only thing that Elisa could do in that case was to just put it to rest. She can't kill Demona without burying two races, and the memories of her friends, her family. All she could do was to move on. Demona wanted her empty world? Fine. Let her enjoy it, alone, forever. Elisa can go off with Cyoti, try to salavage something. If she can't have a life, then she could be a chronicler, a recorder of the glory and grandeur that was humanity and Gargoyles. Also, in addition to Cyoti, she's not as alone as the story shows. There is Coldstone, Coldfire, and Coldsteel. None of them are truly alive, and could possibly have survived into the empty world. Nokkar might still live, his alien physiology giving him immunity to the disease. Matrix is around, and could even be the key to eliminating the disease, and remake the world. There might even be hope, that with time and genetics, perhaps some DNA could be salvaged from the dead races, and in the future they could be brought back through cloning. The survivors can be Sentinels, Guardians, a new first race to watch over those to come.
In that continuity, Demona can never be forgiven. But how can you make her pay? What solution is around that is not a way of shooting yourself in the foot? Besides, Death is never the answer. Demona thought it was, and look where it got her in the story. Elisa let grief cloud her judgement, but she knows better now.
Now should Demona be forgiven in regular continuity? I don't have an answer for that really. As much as I would like for her to be forgiven, she does have alot to answer for. I can't really judge what she did during the last thousand years. From 994 to 1994 she was hunted, and feared, and alone. She lived in a time when she couldn't even have a human friend because she would be viewed as a Demon. In the time when she could have been influenced, and perhaps have her path change she was hated and feared, hunted and hounded. By the time society changed enough for her to be excepted she became set in her ways. Although she looks young, she is really old. How many old people do you know who want to readly change there ways? Hudson for example has a hard time changing, and he is only 100. Demona is 1000!
She is still responsible for the 994 Wyvern Event, and for the Moray Betrayal in 1057. Those will always hang over her soul (although I do feel that Macbeth is a little responsible for her betrayal. If he had told Bodhe to go to hell and that he would never betray the clan in 1000 years, I doubt she would have left). But how can she be punished? To kill her is to sentece Macbeth to a death he no longer desires. To imprision her won't accomplish anything. How long can you hold her? After a while she will get out. 100, 300, however many years it takes, she will get out, and then who will stop her, who will be around? There will be a generation who only remembers Demona as a myth, a boogy man to scare little children with. The only thing that can be done is to forgive her, end the cycle of revenge, and hate, and aid her in reforming. Otherwise she will win in the end. She has never actually been beaten, not even by Macbeth. She is literally the greatest warrior alive, and she has all the time in the world. The only hope is to reform her, get her on the side of good, before time runs out, and she wins.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, November 7, 1998 09:00:16 PM
IP: 39.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, all five Doom Commandos, the bikers, the five Dark Troopers, SJ, and Frankie are in a massive gunfight in the research labs of Area 51, taking cover from about a hundred Sevarius clones who are firing at them. SJ is looking on in horror as the team's gunfire takes down clone after clone of his dad.] Don't worry SJ, your real dad is safe and sound in Thailog and Dark Mage Wilek's secret base, helping them take over the world. If you're having emotional trouble killing these things, just remember the last time Dad made you rake the leaves or whatever and vent your frustrations. >:) (BTW SJ, I don't mind your opinion of "I'm Sorry"'s ending. I happen to disagree with it, but you're entitled to it.)
Everyone complaining about how big the room's getting> I always use the text-only room; no matter how big it is, it loads in less than a minute.
Coyote> Even though the WCC deadline's passed, is it too late to mail you minor corrections about already-submitted characters?
"I'm Sorry"> I agree with everyone who's been raving about this fic; it's among the best I've read. And it was the guy's first Gargs fic, no less.
Hey, how many of you are familiar with the Sierra game "Shivers II: Harvest Of Souls"? There's a song in it called "Spell It Out" that's ripe for Gargs filking IMO.
SOROW> I also noticed that about the TimeDancer theme. Hey, where can one acquire the "Power Of One" soundtrack?
Heather> Very kewl pic.
Dumlao> Whenever you find the MP3 I requested, provide a link to it like you did for that other one please; my e-mail account can't handle files that size either.
Ravyn> Ack, that cut sounds horrible! Hope it heals soon.
You know, this talk of alt-universe fics reminds me of a creativity demon (non-Gargs, but still interesting) that's been flitting about in my head for a while now: Does anyone remember at the end of Return Of The Jedi, when Vader told Luke to take his mask off so Luke could see his face one last time, and because he was dying anyhow? What if Luke had refused to do that? What if Luke had just gotten Vader to a medical center, and they'd been able to save his life? How would the Star Wars universe be different? Any thoughts?
You know, I'm glad someone here mentioned Dr. Who; it would make an interesting Gargs crossover. Especially if the Daleks or the Master were involved; they rank as among the kewlest sci-fi villains ever. It occurs to me that a crossover, no matter how good it is in theory, only really works if a majority of the target audience is familiar with the crossed over fic universes; failing this, it's best if any references specific to the lesser known fic universes are explained in detail. I loved Merlin Missy's "All Through The Night", but there were references in there that I completely failed to understand, such as the "Cool Disco Dan" graffiti and everything relating to the Beauty And The Beast television series (which has absolutely nothing to do with the Disney movie). Also, Merlin wasn't the only one to do Star Trek really well. There's a fic at the GFW archive called "Split Infinities" that I consider a masterwork, and contains one of the very few plausible ways that Star Trek and Gargoyles can be crossed over. (Merlin Missy's "Forever" had a gaping historical inconsistency which, although it didn't make the story any less enjoyable, made it impossible to fit into the Star Trek continuity.) Don't get me wrong, I love Missy's stuff and I didn't mean this to sound like I'm nitpicking; it's just hard not to notice these things.
[The Sevarius clones are all dead by now.] OK! Let's get into the computers and find out just what the conspiracy plans to use a stealth ship for. [They do so, and after a few minutes, Jake calls to Wilek, sounding quite shocked, "Uh, 'Lekkers? I think we got a BIG problem."] Please don't call me that. [Wilek goes over to Jake's terminal...and sees the problem.] Oh, merciful Oberon....[To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, November 7, 1998 08:27:12 PM
IP: tnt-1-197-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Time to play the heel again.
"I'm Sorry."
A good piece of fiction? Yes! Most definitely! A Great piece of fiction? Hmmm....yeah, I'd say so. The *BEST*? Naw, I'm afraid I don't agree.
Let me explain my opinion. I had a real problem with the ending. I'm mainly saying this because if Demona wiped out everyone, and everything I cared about, I don't give a crap how much she says she's sorry, I'm puttin' her ass six feet under. I don't care if it kills me (like it would Elisa) she's gonna die. Instead, Elisa just walked away.
I think this might have been debated beform. Greg, in his Master Plan, had said that Demona would eventually reform. But that leads us back to the question that, should she really be forgiven? After all the evil she's done? It's nice to want your enemies to be your friends, but I think it's naive to
a. Believe that all of them are gonna change (and dammit, too many good bad guys in the garg universe wound up good guys. That just ain't real), and
b. That even if the do reform, do they deserve to be forgiven?
Of course, without that particular ending, the story wouldn't pack quite the punch. But I hated it. Don't get me wrong, I can forgive a person. But if you hurt me and mine like Demona hurt Elisa, killing not just her loved ones but her entire RACE, a thousand lifetimes wouldn't stop my rage.
I'm sorry. (no pun intended) I know a lot of people want Demona to reform. But to me, that's a lot like wanting Hitler to reform just cause you think, deep down, the little Kraut's a good guy. And before you crucify me for using a Hitler reference, if Demona were to really kill the humans cause she hated them that much, it WOULD be just like Hitler killing the Jews. He wanted the Aryan race to be superior--she wants the Gargoyles.
Of course, this opinion is based solely on emotion...but then again, a lot of opinions are.
Okay, the hate mail can commence.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 07:56:42 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net
Sorry for the double post, but I just found an alternate site for "I'm Sorry", since everybody here's been talking about it. Click on my name to get there.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 07:50:21 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-134.primary.net
CROSSOVERS - One that recently occurred to me as a possibility (although I don't have any ideas as yet for the particulars) would be Katherine Kurtz's Deryni novels. It struck me as especially appropriate because the Deryni (a race of human-appearing born-wizards in a fictional medieval universe known as the Eleven Kingdoms, persecuted by ordinary humans who are afraid of their innate magical abilities) do have much in common with gargoyles. The two races might even join forces to help each other survive against their various enemies.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 06:48:07 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-134.primary.net
Ditto what Aris said. I too have "I'm Sorry" on my computer. I agree that it is the greatest piece of Gargoyles fan fiction ever written. I will admit I haven't read as much fanfic as some of the rest of you have, but I think I've covered most of the best. Another I really liked was "Legacy", which I also have on my computer.
And speaking of crossovers, I'm in the plotting stages of writing a Gargoyles/X-Men crossover. (X-Men the cartoon series, not the comic series, since I don't know much about it and wouldn't wanna mess things up) Does anyone know if there has ever been such a crossover written? Incidentally, mine will also have some elements of TGS worked into it.
Entity
Saturday, November 7, 1998 06:34:10 PM
IP: ely-oh2-02.ix.netcom.com
"I'm sorry"> The story archive isn't working at the moment, but I have it in my computer. If anyone wants it, I can email it to them.
John Glenn> I had actually heard this joke in another board, Trekweb, where I am a regular. It was a little while back, so perhaps that joke was a repost as well.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:59:20 PM
IP: athe530-a080.otenet.gr
I heard this ont he radio yesterday morning:
Attention all citizens of Earth:
When John Glenn returns from space, you must be in ape suits. This is a matter of extreme importance. We have less than a week to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. If you live in New York, get busy.
Ordell - [ordell9425@geocities.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:52:34 PM
IP: 202-19-27.ipt.aol.com
Hello. * smiles * I made a new sailor scout for a RPG sailor Sailor Angels.
This is Sailor Midael. The Angel of Warriors. But the person that made the RPG is having a contest for who will be who. This is my version.
Click !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:47:52 PM
IP: 175-137-150.ipt.aol.com
ack, I hate it when this happens, finish a message, and a new post is up... Oii...
Todd-I thought it had something to do with good ol' Doctor Who, but it's been quite some time since PBS stopped airing that...
Deuce- Nothing to be ashamed of. Boy Meets World is a good show. The cast has been together for a while and they have great chemistry, the writing is good and rarely falls back on the same plot, and is the only good show TGIF has currently.
If any OTHER new posts are up since I started this one, I'll reply to them LATER!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:30:14 PM
IP: spider-we054.proxy.aol.com
( Brooklyn in a hockey uniform with skates is facing off against Nosedive of the Mighty Ducks, with Owen Burnett as referee. Then Nosedive asks, "Hey, where's the Puck?" At which Brooklyn sighs going, "Oh no" as Owen begins to spin around...)
If anyone else has problems with the comment room's size and memory usage near the end of the week like I do, (especially this week, sheesh! Tho that's at least partially my fault...), try telling the computer to stop loading after about 50K, or more depending on how long you've been gone. That way, you read everything you need to, don't spend forever waiting for it all to load, and don't tax your computer's capacity...
Several of you mentioned a story titled, "I'm Sorry" and called it one of, if not THE best garg. story ever. Where can I find this sucker?
Wilek-I think Sevarius Senior did have something to do with MAL's voice on Captain Planet, but it's been years since I saw that show, I'm not sure.
Starsinger- I've BEEN passing the John Glenn thing. Too bad no one is taking it seriously... It would be a cool thing to do...
Doug- Catchy TD bit. I think it works.
Sorrow- I may or may not have mentioned this before, but I did a gargs/TMNT crossover some time back. It was horrible, and has since been erased. And then the gargs/Mighty Ducks crossover? Well, I'm putting something in that vein in this post...
(Owen Burnett is now the magical trickster Puck. Nosedive shrugs, aims his hockey stick, and slaps Puck across the ice... Its going to be an interesting game...)
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:24:12 PM
IP: spider-we054.proxy.aol.com
** walks in wearing a bathing suit, dripping wet **
I hate swimming lessons. *sneezes* I also hate chlorine. I have an allergy to it, but that doesn't stop me from going. Why, you ask? I'm not really sure... the exercise, I think.
*shakes water out of hair* Hey, are the TGS themes fixed yet? I know Fire Storm said something about existing copies....
COOLEST CROSSOVERS: The X-Files (for sure), BtVS, or NYPD Blue (Elisa becomes Sipowicz' new partner after Smits dies/leaves).
WEIRDEST CROSSOVER: Stargate SG-1 (think about it), Disney's "Recess" (they live in NY, too), The Simpsons, or Boy Meets World (yes, yes, I actually watch it. Don't laugh.)
WORST/MOST ANNOYING CROSSOVER: Power Rangers (the Gargoyles would whup their spandex-clad butts!), Sailor Moon, or Star Trek in any incarnation (done to death, and only Merlin Missy did it well, IMO).
That's my two cents, so now I'm off, and probably for the weekend. So have a good one, and don't get into too much trouble while I'm gone!
** leaves, towelling himself off **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:05:21 PM
IP: ppp209.connect.ab.ca
You know what I just found out that was interesting? The theme to Timedancer is in my files and I always knew the music came from The Power of One, one of my favorite movies. But I was just listening to "To Die For..." on the Lion King Soundtrack and right when Mufasa dies is the end to the Timedancer theme. I never knew that, and I think putting Brooklyn and Graeme in Mufasa and Simba's place would be pretty cool.
SOROW
Saturday, November 7, 1998 02:42:36 PM
IP: usr3-4-dialup20.mix1.irving.cw.net
Just letting everyone know I'm still alive. I had a long week and our football team lost to our rivals by one point. Of course, we've only won about five games in the last five years. Yeah, we suck! But our drill team kicks ***!(cause I'm in it, kidding) And I just got my letter jacket. YEAH!
Todd> After reading all the weeks comments, I saw that Gargoyle special too. Pretty cool info!
You know who I think are the best group of bad boys? Brooklyn, Raphael(TMNT), and Duke(Mighty Ducks). These guys are so awesome and I'm attempting to draw a pic of them together. Isn't it interesting that Jeff Bennett is the voice of both Brook and Duke? And TMNT was the first cartoon I actually liked. I think these three guys would be hilarious together. They should start a band.
SOROW
Saturday, November 7, 1998 02:36:21 PM
IP: usr3-4-dialup20.mix1.irving.cw.net
Crossovers: Let me put my two-bits in, since Christine Morgan seems to think my work in Garg-Crossovers makes me the King of that subject (winks to Chris, tilting his crown at a jaunty angle)...
A TMNT Crossover? MMPR Crossover? Hmmm... the mind spins with infinet possibilities! >:)
Best Crossover: I'm a little biased, since I write my own, but In case you need to judge for yourself, try my He-Man/She-Ra/Gargs story "Power and Honor" (it's in one of the latest Avalon Mists), or my SwatKats story "Kat Scratch Fever" (also in Avalon Mists). Personally, I've seen a couple of CO stories that weren't mine that I loved, but I can't think of them right now.
Anyway, I'm trying to decide what my next submission to AvMists will be: A Gargs/Transformers story, a Gargs/Pirates of Dark Water Story, or a cross-universe story with my DeGuy Saga and Christi Hayden's "Avery" universe. What do you guys think?
And I agree, "I'm Sorry" was a good Alt-Universe Fic.
Well that's all from me... Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, November 7, 1998 12:51:05 PM
IP: 207.170.232.79
"I am sorry"> In my opinion that's the best Gargoyles fanfic EVER written, in or out of TGS. Close candidates are (for me) some of the Athenaverse stories and a couple of Merlin Missy/Nancy Brown's. The last fic of Christine Morgan follows closely as well.
But "I am sorry" remains at the top, where I am concerned.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 12:32:48 PM
IP: athe530-c108.otenet.gr
**Ravyn drags herself into the room.** Ugh. Basketball practice at 6:30 in the morning on a Saturday just isn't right...;)
Coyote> Well, kind of...I was working in the print shop at my school and there was a box of those thin metal printing plates, and I was trying to stuff some more into the box when my hand slipped and got my index finger stuck on about two of 'em. It was really gross 'cuz I had to pull on the plates to get them out of my finger. I got a lot of sympathy for it and thankfully I don't need stitches. Now I just have to wait 'til it heals so I can type normal again...:)
Robby> Trust me, I feel your pain...*see above* ;)
Well, see ya'll around! **Ravyn goes off to take a nap.**
Ravyn Maza
Saturday, November 7, 1998 11:55:32 AM
IP: 207.204.224.22
A couple quick, quick, quick posts (I'm really not supposed to be on the computer, and I have swimming lessons in a couple of hours):
DUMLAOX> Thanks a zillion; I'll pick it up later today.
JADEN> "I'm Sorry", which, IMHO, is the best fanfic ever written outside of TGS, was written by Aaron Ziegler. And yes, he was in the author spotlight. There may even be a link to the story in the article.
** runs out, heaping magical curses on the Colorado Avalanche, who beat his home team last night 5-2 in hockey. Grrrr.... **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Saturday, November 7, 1998 10:30:17 AM
IP: ppp151.connect.ab.ca
Since November 7 is the date that the Bolshevik Revolution took place, that reminds me of the creativity demon that I had once about Brooklyn in the course of his TimeDancer adventures winding up in Russia during this period, meeting some very stuffy Bolsheviks, and calling them "a bunch of Red Squares".
MONS CARBI - Well, I think that, like the "William Nicholson" business, I made this one a little too subtle, so I'll tell you. "Mons Carbi" is Latin for "Hill of Coal", and was a reference to Coal Hill School, where the Doctor's granddaughter Susan was attending classes in the first episode of "Doctor Who".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 7, 1998 07:22:46 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-67.primary.net
** The screen comes on. The bad gangs' transport helicopter is flying across the Austin skies, full of the leaders of the Mafia and Yakuza clans. Pursuing it on the ground are Jammer's station wagon, Stephanie's Taurus, Kitainia's motorcycle, Coyote's tank, the Gambini Mafia limo and Hummer, and Gubio in his new Timberwolf mech. As the chase goes on, a big Mafia goon leans out of the chopper and throws out the attached tracking arrow. Shauna quickly remedies the problem with two bowshots, one that hits the chopper with another tracker, this time out of reach from the main doors. The other gets the goon leaning out right between the eyes. He screams and topples out, falling to the ground below. Doug begins to post, but not before complimenting his fellow Raven on her exquisite markmanship.**
Todd: You're right, Spike and the Unseelie do have different Halloween attitudes. I wonder why. I think when I do write the Buffy/Gargs crossover, I'll have Maeve as the main villain, with Spike and Dru there for foils and thugs. Entertainment as well. <grin>
Does anyone else here watch Fox's new TV show Brimstone? It's a pretty neat flick, I think. I'll be crossing Gargs with it too in some future fanfic. Detective Stone must get help from the clan to recapture one of Hell's most insane souls. (Yes, it will be the guy in my pic!)
Wilek: Kitainia says thanks for the compliments. She is sure the bikers will comply.
Jaden: It is, believe you me. Click my name to access Christine Morgan's website at www.eskimo.com/~vecna/ She has several fics up there that are quite good. The latest, "What Might Have Been," is a what-if Goliath didn't choose to sleep in stone? tale. And very interesting.
Shreds of a New TGS Filk: (goes into REM "Daysleeper" tune) You talk of seeing the past and the future. Well, I've seen it all. Seen it all through the blinding light, by phoenix flame I travel and do right. Timedancer, Timedancer... Anyone think this could work?
That's all for now, bye.
**The gangs' Apache, piloted by Jim, Shap, and Boris's first Army reserve drill sergeant (who was of course a real jerk before he got transferred away), comes up behind the Ravens' convoy and starts firing missiles and Gatling guns down at them. He is promptly hit by two missiles from the mech, a blast from Boris's bazooka, and a lightning bolt from Lathrop that disintegrate him and his chopper in a ball of flame. The heroes continue chasing after the transport helicopter as the screen fades out.**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 03:36:55 AM
IP: hil-c45-031-vty206.as.wcom.net
DEUCE-- Hit my name. I'd mail it but my account can't hold this big of a file in it.
FIRE STORM-- You mean the movie reference in Fleeting Encounters?
yes :)
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 01:34:27 AM
IP: pool0022-max5.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net
Wilek: He IS that evil!
The OLD gargoyles movie: Didn't TGS make a reference to that movie in Timedancer?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, November 7, 1998 12:11:09 AM
IP: dhcp168.visitus.net
[Quick reply.]
Jaden> There's a what-if fic that adresses that very question. It's called "I'm Sorry", and it's part of the GFW fic archive so no one can read it until that gets back up. Or, the author is one of those featured in the GFW's Author Spotlight or whatever it's called, so maybe you could e-mail him or her (I forget the person's name).
Wilek Nereus
Friday, November 6, 1998 11:50:57 PM
IP: tnt-2-62-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
All of these possible crossover sounds like they could be a lot of fun. But does anyone know if there are any "What if" stories? You know sort of like..."What if Demona had been successful the night of the Hunter's Moon?"...thos could be some interesting stories. Or not, who knows?
Kitainia> sounds like fun!!!
DumlaoX> oh well it was just an idea. But hey! Good things come to those who wait. :)
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, November 6, 1998 10:55:39 PM
IP: pm1-1.sma.silcom.com
**The screen lights up, revealing the Ravens, Doug, Kitainia, Coyote, the Gearhead, Buick and Jason just arriving on the roof, as the chopper takes off.**
Quick, give me a range on that thing!
<"Ballpark, about 500 feet and gaining, boss.">
Jason, do the honors. **Jason pulls the crossbow off of his back, loading it with three arrows and firing all three of them simultaneously. Two appear to miss, but one strikes the chopper just above one of its skids. Coyote pulls out a tracking device.**
Glad I brought this thing with me. We can track it from the ground. But first a quick breather ... and some replies.
Harlan Ellison: I humbly apologize for calling Mr. Ellison a "sci-fi writer." I bow to his superior abilities.
**A speaker crackles to life in the CR and plays "Taps."** I now commemorate the life and times of Bob Kane. The inspiration of generations. The comic world was never the same after Batman came into being ... and it will never be the same after Mr. Kane. Godspeed, Bat-liege.
**"Taps" ends. Coyote salutes.**
Deuce: Knowing the kind of hell you're going through, I'm inclined to agree. But it was hellish for me going around in the halls and having my friends not even acknowledge my presence ... even when I come face-to-face with them and loudly say "HI, HOW'S IT GOING?!?!"
Ravyn: Is it anything like the altercation the boxknife and my thumb had about a month or two ago? I sympathize.
Cyrway: Courage? I'd call it "rank stupidity" myself. ;)
I have to contact you later on anyway, there's something WCC-related I need to ask you about.
Poll:
Strangest Garg crossover: Like I said about an hour ago, Gargoyles/Earth: Final Conflict.
Most humorous Garg crossover: Gargoyles/Landover. For those not in the know, Landover is a fantasy land described in novels by Terry Brooks, the first of which was "Magic Kingdom, For Sale: Sold!" which describes a magic kingdom bought by a Chicago lawyer from the Neiman-Marcus catalog for $1.5 million. Pretty goofy characters in the series (a wizard who can't cast simple spells without them backfiring, the court scribe is a dog, and the girl the lawyer winds up marrying is a mythical creature who turns into a tree once a month), but the stories are awesome. And I do believe that a crossover would be one of the funniest fantasy stories ever written!
Most Annoying: I can think of one worse than Gargoyles/Sailor Moon. Howzabout Gargoyles/Power Rangers?
***RP WARNING***
My role in the RP: I just got to Austin, I've been travelling cross-country from Michigan with Buick, Coyote the Gearhead (the last surviving Categorized Clone of mine) and old college roomie Jason DeRosa. I just caught up with the Ravens in the warehouse district.
**The party has run down to the ground level, running for their transports. Buick has already backed the tank out of the hole they created.**
All right, the tracker's on-line, we're on active scanning. **tosses the tracker to Doug** You lead, we'll follow. I took the liberty at our last rest stop to download a map of Austin into the unit.
**Coyote jumps back into the Commander's Seat of the tank, just as Doug signals "Let's roll!" The convoy follows Doug down the street away from the now-completely-busted-up warehouse as the screen fades.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 09:03:11 PM
IP: modem75.i-is.com
In case it's not clear, DumlaoX, send me the MP3.
Deuce
Friday, November 6, 1998 08:59:23 PM
IP: ppp112.connect.ab.ca
** Enters, rolling eyes at Starsinger **
Ouch. Whaddya want to do, give the old guy a heart attack? Although he must be in good shape to go up in space....
HEATHER> Look, you're a very nice, wonderful person, but you are also being really, really stubborn. Here's the best thing to do in your awful situation:
1) Tell your parents.
2) Go to the police.
Got it? This is serious. I don't want you or your friends to get hurt over this. OK? *hug*
DUMLAOX> You found it? Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou! *gives him a huge stack of-- wait, can't use cookies anymore... a huge stack of chocolate bars* If at all possible, you can e-mail it to the address below, otherwise just give me the URL and I'll get it myself. Thanks again, pal!
** Leaves, casting a worried look at Heather on the way out. **
Deuce - [halfpastsix@yahoo.com]
Alberta, Canada
Friday, November 6, 1998 08:58:42 PM
IP: ppp112.connect.ab.ca
This bit of sillyness has been passed to me from two different directions. Enjoy.
Subject: pssssst ! Pass it on !!
A GREAT HOAX FOR A GREAT MAN
Pssssst, This is a secret. Spread this around to everyone except for
John Glenn.
People get more gullible when they get older. When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in Ape Suits. Also bury the Statue of Liberty up to her neck before he gets back!
Pass it on.
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:42:38 PM
IP: proxy-361.public.rwc.webtv.net
Heather: Sorry about Creation. I didn't check the site before I put up the link. And yes, I would mirror everyone here and say go to the authorities. This is deadly serious, especially if it's driving your friends to contemplate suicide. If you do nothing else, at least go yourself to an authority figure, anyone. Although I know your opinion of your 'rents, even going to them is better than holding silence. Think about it.
(even though you might get tired of it ... HUGS)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:37:46 PM
IP: modem75.i-is.com
**Sevarius Jr. returns to Area 51 after a long, hard fought battle with the P.I.L.T. He's bruised, and his lab coat is a little torn.**
Madre de Dios, those lawyer-lovers sure can land a right cross. Next time, I just mutate them into gerbils.
Yes, a moment of silence for Bob Kane. He was a legend, and Bats is my fave comic character, bar none. Now, no one will be able to stop the ANTICHRIST Joel Schumacher from further raping the Batman franchise from its coolness. (Gee, that doesn't sound to angry, does it?)
Harlan Ellison: Along with Clive Barker, Neil Gaiman, and a few others, he tops my list of fave authors. He's always said he's an author of "imaginative fiction," so if you say he's a sci-fi writer, you're asking for a pop in the mouth (even though technically most of his work falls into the sci-fi genre). If you want another great read by him, I suggest picking up a copy of MEFISTO IN ONYX. It's Harlan's take on the whole mind-readin' thing, and has a killer surprise ending. By the way, to all who've read it, wouldn't Sam Jackson be perfect for the role of Rudy?
Oh, and Deuce, to me "The Man Who Rowed Columbus Ashore" is much more than just a time-traveling story...like most of Harlan's work it has some real memorable scenes. Like the one where Levendis is at the death camp.
Aris: Yeah, I once dated a girl that looked like Death, of the Endless. (What, like I'd date a guy? That's NOT MY BAG, BABY!) She didn't have any immortal family members though....I think.
DUMLAO: I saw the old '72 Gargoyle flick. It was HORRIBLE. The effects were cheesy, the acting deplorable...And the plot was one Castaway would have loved: if memory serves me, the Gargoyle's here were a bunch of subterranean creatures who are the descendants of DEMONS. And the humans wipe them out. Something makes me think this would be better than porno to Johnnie boy.
Polls! I love polls!
Weirdest Garg X-over: Jerry Springer. Nuff said.
Most amusing Garg X-over: The Simpsons. Demona and Burns team up to try to take over the world. D'OH!
X-over that has to happen: X-Files. Wherein both Mulder AND Scully see the Gargoyles up close, and Scully STILL says, "There's a perfectly rational, scientific answer to this..."
Let's see, where are the other guys...
**SJ stumbles into the labaratory, only to see dozens of Sevarius Sr. clones holding guns up to his friends...
*Gulp* "Dad? DADS???"
*The Sevari in unison: "JUNIOR! YOU'RE REALLY GROUNDED THIS TIME!"
"But Daaaaaaad!"
TO BE CONTINUED!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:36:40 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net
ARRRRGHHH!! I posted this in the other room to reply to a thread in here!! Here it is.
Gargoyle crossovers: I did try to write a Gargs x-over with my cybercomic. But I don't think
anyone would even know what the hell I'm talking about, so I won't go
into detail ... it didn't get very far into the plot anyway.
As for oddball x-overs ... how about a Gargs/Earth: Final Conflict
x-over? I would imagine that the Clan would have very strong feelings
about the Taelons ... maybe they would be the aliens Nokkar was sent to
stop. And if you really think about it, I think they would take great
offense at the arrival of the Companions ... they're basically stealing
the gargoyles' job! I would write it myself, but I've got other things
going.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:31:02 PM
IP: modem75.i-is.com
Crywy Just think, I have to live down the fact that Bill Gates is from Albuquerque.
Heather Please talk to your friends or an adult, but don't let this go any further. If there is some sicko doing these things, people need to know.
(HUGS)
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:27:13 PM
IP: proxy-361.public.rwc.webtv.net
Thanks you guys.
Well, the cloest thing to a convention is in Texas. And to get reserved seats are $90 bucks. And he isn't even on the guest list.But Leonard is. * smiles *
And yes I know John De Lancie is married. He was the one who ....how can I say , made me want to be an actress or an author. If only one of you has contact with ParaMount or Alien Voices.
I can't tell, and when I told Shawna that we should tell ppl she almost attacked me ! She gave me this look that she was looking at the devil !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:23:25 PM
IP: 207-225-45.ipt.aol.com
BUFFY AND GARGOYLES - One difference that I've noticed between the Buffy Universe and the TGS Universe is the difference on the part of the otherworldly antagonists towards Halloween. In "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", Halloween is a time when the vampires stay home and don't bother doing anything (Spike, for example, just watching videos of Buffy slaying vampires and taking notes - at least, until that former school friend of Giles and his "head of Janus" made things in Sunnydale go awry) while the Unseelies ride openly through New York and trash the place. Very different attitudes, you've got to admit.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:09:55 PM
IP: sys-136.open
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, all five Doom Commandos, the bikers, the five Dark Troopers, and Frankie are making their way through Area 51. TRC's still in trouble and SJ's in the CR with the L-Men fighting PILT.] Bikers! [They turn to face him.] After we're done here, Kitainia wants you to ride back to wherever it is you people hang out when you're not cracking heads for the good of mankind (and gargkind for that matter). [The bikers protest.] I know, I know. She just doesn't want you hurt. You know you promised to take her advice. She's a smart girl you know.
Whoever asked about my end of the RP> Well, it started when we came to the abandoned West Gate Mall to get rid of the evil street gang Vayas Comos Ninjas and find out something about what Dark Mage Wilek and Thailog are planning. Then we found out that they've taken over Area 51 and are in possession of an alien interstellar vehicle, which they are modifying for stealth, so they can enter and leave Earth orbit without being detected by Miriam's Dark Star shipyard. We don't know anything else just now.
Heather> <<Have you ever felt that you are an outcast in your school or whatever and you can't escape it ? That's how I feel everyday when I wake up. It's like " wHo's going to mock and torture me today ?">> Now I can REALLY understand your problem. I have a close friend who, until he graduated, was exactly like that. His parents were no help at all and some of his teachers actually made it worse. There were days he wasn't sure he'd come home alive--or wanted to, for that matter. <<Why should I bother [DeLancie]? He's busy with his "Alien Voices" thing. Why should be bothered by a 14 teen year old kid from Oklahoma.>> Never give up your dream. If a schlemiel like me can become a successful fanfic author, anyone can do anything he/she dreams of. <<We wrote a song together. It's for my Sailor Moon fanfic of my own scouts. It's called "What Did I Do ( To Hurt You )" Cool title , huh ?>> Very. <<* frowns * Today in my Home Ec. class I heard some of my friends ( Swell and Shawna ) saying that they hae been getting their bed rooms being broke into and blood all over their bath rooms.>> Oh, merciful Oberon, no! I'll bet it's the same psychotic s***headed SOB that sent those bizarre letters a while back. Have you three gone to the police? Please do so! They can help! And about your friends committing suicide, Kitainia's advice is the best I've heard.
FS> I listened to that Fieger WAV. Man, if that guy is as evil as he sounds...
MrNoying> Hm, I would join the vote for the gator names, but it wouldn't be fair since I contributed.
Kyryn> Bob Kane died? MAN, all kinds of kewl people are dying lately. What's with that? It's getting kind of creepy...
TJ Veil> Weirdest Gargs crossover: Ren And Stimpy or Cow And Chicken. Most Amusing: Ditto. Most Annoying: Ditto.
Cyrway> Macs are the root of all evil.
SJ> A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men. Hey, did Dad have any input in designing the digital sentience known as MAL? I just watched an ep of Captain Planet...
[Quite suddenly, the team runs across one of Area 51's research labs. None of the scientists looks anything like Brent Spiner. They all look like SJ's dad.] Oh no...they're making clones of Dr. Sevarius and using them to develop that stealth ship! [All the Sevarius clones pull handguns and open fire. To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:06:08 PM
IP: tnt-2-220-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
All right, first, to those visiting San Antonio in the RP, be sure to check out the wonderus, (cue trumpet music) Alamodome! What is the Alamodome you ask? Well, it cost a lot of tax maney, looks nothing like the Alamo, and nothing like a dome, so I guess its a big, not very pretty looking building...
SJ-Silliness is fun though! I'm not sure if you were taking from various quarryman scenes, or the mob scene from Beuty and the Beast...
Todd- Oh geez, that hill of coal things sound familiar, its on the tip of my tounge... But its been years since I've seen any british stuff other than Who's Line Is It Anyway...
**Moment of Silence for Bob Kane.**
Ravyn-Finger cutting is a bad thing to do. It hurts alot! I should know...
Heather- Sorry I kept you up! But it was worth it I think!
Cryway- Advantages to a Mac? Are you kidding! There's tons! Why for instance, there's... Give me a few weeks and I might come up with something...
Wierdest Gargoyle Crossover- Gargs. meets the cast of Wings. Amusing gargoyles Crossover- Gargs. meet Elfquest. There's a character in that series that looks a LOT like Brooklyn... Most annoying gargs. crossover- Gargs. meet the Ninja Turtles. I should know, I wrote a version of that story myself. And it has long since been erased...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:47:58 PM
IP: spider-ta051.proxy.aol.com
Biker garb, not grab. Damn my spelling!
Kitainia
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:40:16 PM
IP: hil-c45-053-vty219.as.wcom.net
Todd: Yes, I'd like to name my kid Jericho. Yes, Christine's character was where I got the name. But if I do have a son and I give him that name, he better turn out like the Jericho in "What Might Have Been" instead of the real universe one! <grin>
Spike: Excellent pics! They all look so wicked. When will we get to put them next to our names?
Ed: Creativity Demon- Brooklyn and Sata end up in dino-time just as Loki escapes the gate. Now he tries to first get some dinosaur tissue samples for use in evil magic, then steal the gate so he can take it back to the boss. I know that won't make more than one ep, probably. But it would be interesting to see. :)
Heather: Ack, that's terrible! My advice is that you confront them with what you know and tell them how much it's not a good idea. Fix it so as many other people as possible do the same. That worked with Gore, maybe it'll also work with them. Geez, do you have problems right now! Good luck solving them. I have a good friend named Shauna, too (short for Shauntara), and I'd hate to lose her. Especially to the easy way out of life.
Creativity Demon 2: **Kitainia turns and looks over her shoulder to see a young blonde vampire in biker grab walking into the CR.**
Kitainia- "Who invited you in?"
Spike- (enters the CR) "The sign over the door, Enter all ye who are Gargoyles Fans. I always loved that show."
:) Later.
Kitainia
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:39:16 PM
IP: hil-c45-053-vty219.as.wcom.net
CYRWAY - Um, I don't quite understand. Just what did I say about Lexington and a game that you were replying to me about?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:35:35 PM
IP: sys-136.open
Yeah , they said that they might kill themselves right at school. I was seating right next to them. They were so scared about what is going on. Shawna was almost crying !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:10:34 PM
IP: 173-89-24.ipt.aol.com
Heather> *blinks.* Yeah, sure, we'll keep our mouths shut...
*sighs.*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 06:00:44 PM
IP: gcolor.com
Hey, folks...
Okay, after my stupid mac crashed, taking half of the finished copy of Anarchists, I'm going to work all weekend to get it to all who asked for it by Monday...
Will someone tell me the advantage of a Mac? And no one say anything about Microsoft! I'm about as fond as Bill Gates as I am Macs!
Gawd...my kingdom for a Unix...
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:56:57 PM
IP: gcolor.com
Hmm… haven't been in here in days!
Kitania: I think the idea was that after the initial 13, it would expand into the G2158 spin-off. Or, TD was to be accepted and G2158 wasn't, then it would be longer because everything would be packed in. But I'd rather see some sort of closure on Brooklyn's adventures, and then being able to expand with a FT spin-off. That said, I do enjoy TD and think TGS are doing a great job with it. But in some ways I think it seems to be too detached and 'bitty'. Brooklyn and dinosaurs. Personally I hope it doesn't happen… what's going to result from it? I can't really see there'd be more than one isolated episode for it.
Aris: I don't agree, and I think Merlin is very much for the writer to interpret. I think Emrys is an excellent, and very novel, approach.
Spike: We get to see more of the London clan in coming weeks… but surely that means less of the Manhattan clan? ;) OK, maybe it would be better to shut up, sit back and enjoy the ride. ^_^
Nicodemus: If Oberon can give her back her voice, I imagine that the Banshee would ally herself with Oberon to win his favour back. I really doubt she'd ally herself with Madoc. Although if that meant that Rory and Molly were both on the same side that would be a very interesting story… hmm…
ED
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:48:50 PM
IP: webcache6.planet.net.uk
Hi guys. * yawns * Noying kept me up last night. We wrote a song together. It's for my Sailor Moon fanfic of my own scouts. It's called "What Did I Do ( To Hurt You )"
Cool title , huh ?
Kryrn > I got your e-mail but that convention thing came up has a mime file. Send it again but Ziped. Thank you anyway. You help me out.
* frowns * Today in my Home Ec. class I heard some of my friends ( Swell and Shawna ) saying that they hae been getting their bed rooms being broke into and blood all over their bath rooms. And those two are thinking of....killing themselves.
Don't TELL anyone !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:39:26 PM
IP: 173-89-168.ipt.aol.com
NI!
Todd> I wasn't aware of the game...the title just popped in my head, a medaphor on how Lexington was feeling in the story...
Coyote> I pity you...willingly taking almost half of my current characters and some that have not been introduced yet and incorporating them into your world...you are a brave, brave man...and if you ever need to scream, feel free...just remember, Lemmy hasn't been completely housebroken yet...*throws a newspaper at the world's dumbest gargmutt.* Heh...no wonder he only listens to Luc...
Kind of a stupid question, Coyote, but are you going to write WWC in chapters like the rest of the fics or just have one big hoopla...? Either way, I can't wait. ^_^
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:21:14 PM
IP: gcolor.com
**Ravyn walks in, giving the Lawyer some flowers on her way.**
Hi, everyone! Sorry, but I just feel really weird today. I had to make someone's day happy, so I picked the Lawyer. I did have a really neat way to kill him in mind, but decided I had better not. Oh, well.
Coyote> Thanks! ;)
Sevarius Jr.> Great joke! I was laughing in real life at that one! :)
Well, better keep this post kinda short. I just cut one of my fingers kinda bad today and it's takin' me forever to type! :) See ya'll laterz,
Ravyn Maza
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:03:32 PM
IP: svm-ts1-23.c2i2.com
Here's a full house of Unseelie baddies: a king, a queen and a pair of knaves. <<click>> here to see Madoc, nasty Maeve, Loki and Garlon.
Spike
Friday, November 6, 1998 05:01:20 PM
IP: dal-as3-2115.cmpu.net
Shoot. In that first paragraph of my last post it should have read "can be dimunitized."
Doug
Friday, November 6, 1998 04:36:49 PM
IP: splab24.sp.utexas.edu
Who was it that requested the song by The Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays?
Good 'ol Illegal did it again. I have the requested mp3 :)
Now to go package my ZIPs so Mr. Fire Storm can CD them for me :)
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, November 6, 1998 04:36:47 PM
IP: dhcp54.oac-commons.ucla.edu
Todd: Kitainia picked the middle name, not me. She likes the nickname "Jerry," but not Jerome, Jared, or Gerald, the names it is usually short for. So she decided on a name that still be dimunitized to Jerry, but that we both like. Christine's character may have been an influence on her choice.
Deuce: Ditto for Xander and my friend Jim being alike. Of course, Jim is also dating a girl who's more like Buffy than Cordelia, so he can't be totally the same.
DumlaoX: Ok, I'll use Gorebash's CGI then, and try to establish Comment Room pics. Maybe ones of dragons, Gargs characters, my-universe-related fan art, Black Ravens, and so on. Thanks for the correction on whose CGI this is.
Later,
Doug
Friday, November 6, 1998 04:35:52 PM
IP: splab24.sp.utexas.edu
Aris Katsaris> The B-plot in Pratchetts Reaper Man is more than vindicated when you realise just what the 'thing' is developing into and why. How he could possibly have thought to juxtapose 'Aliens' onto the situation is a mark of genius. Elements you would never have thought could mesh suddenly make sense and you kick yourself for not having seen it earlier.
N.B. this post will make absolutely no sense to those who haven't read it, so either ignore this or go off and read it immediately.
MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKFriday, November 6, 1998 03:04:06 PM
IP: ppp-681.telinco.net
** Deuce enters, sporting a bright-red plastic flower. He looks down at it. **
Next Wednesday in Canada is Remembrance Day, so I'm wearing a poppy to -- *reads from brochure* commemorate all the Canadians who gave their lives for their country. I actually have my own reasons for wearing it that have nothing to do with war or holidays, but we'll not get into that here.
Man, did I ever miss a lot! Here's all my replies, and you may have to scroll down quite a ways to get the original postings.
MRNOYING> ["The difference is, the family channel sucks more than Disney."] Must agree.
DOUG RE: Favorite Buffy character> Has to be Xander. Parallels between his attitude and mannerisms and mine are scary.
ROLE-PLAY POSTINGS> I stopped reading the RP's two weeks ago. IMO, they're pretty boring. (No offense guys, it's just MY OPINION).
HEATHER> *big bear hug* We listen, and we really do care. But it is easy to forget who to respond to, and who said what, etc. And everything I said in last week's e-mail is still true. My virtual door is always open. :-) As far as going to hell -- hehe, I mean school -- every day, I've been there too. Details would not be welcome, I sense. And as far as having a crush on someone unattainable, I know what that feels like, too. There's a cheerleader in my math class....
COYOTE RE: school> I'd rather be ignored than hated.
SEVARIUS JR> Harlan Ellison rocks! "The Man Who Rowed Columbus Ashore" has got to be one of the most original time-travel stories I've ever read.
** Leaves, cursing as the pin on the flower jabs him in the chest for the 437th time. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Friday, November 6, 1998 02:13:14 PM
IP: ppp0071.connect.ab.ca
WILEK-- Right on the money. My faithful dog Illegal simply searches for what I tell her to search for. For example, she's getting the new REM album, Up, for me on mp3 right now. *gives her a pat on the head and a dog biscuit "good girl"* BTW, she's a mixed Rottwiler/Australian sheep dog.
LAWRENCE-- Indeed, there was a made for TV movie entitled Gargoyles with special effects done by Stan Winston in 1972. Funny thing is that there are reports that this film will soon be going to DVD. Now if Disney would have such foresight and put the whole animated Gargoyles series we love on DVD :)
DOUG-- Actually, this isn't my code. This is Gorebash's code which can be obtained at http://www.s8.org However, I'm trying to modify that code a bit right now so I can add more cr images and other stuff once I get C++ learned. I wanna optimize the code and such if I can.
JADEN-- Can't even post an estimated date for the premieres for those series becuase we would have so many people down our throats for missing a deadline. You shoulda seen what the responses were when the server was down during the premiere of the season 2 ep.
Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:23:35 PM
IP: dhcp70.oac-commons.ucla.edu
DOUG - You just mentioned wanting to name your son (if you ever have one) Kevin Jericho. Is the "Jericho" bit a hommage to Christine Morgan's character?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:22:16 PM
IP: sys-139.open
**The screen comes on. Doug and the other Ravens have just put another twenty or so random gang members in the dead-book, except for one large Mexican guy with ivy vine tatoos all over his arms. This guys is tied up and being interrogated by Elena while the others search the now-disabled trucks and Doug makes his post.**
Aris: Okay, from now on we'll keep RP in its own paragraphs seperated by **s from now on, nothing in the middle of other text. And generally at the beginning and the end only, always talking about other stuff as well, as a courtesy to you.
Kyryn: Sure if you want to come in go ahead. Happy to have you. We won't be staying in San Antonio too long, though. Just long enough to re-enact the Battle of the Alamo (with different combatants and results), visit Six Flags and the River Walk; and investigate, then destroy Binky the Clown and his Dingaling Brothers and Tardum and Daley circus. <grin>
Stephen RS: You can join in too if you want. Just so you know, Austin is only one of the many locales we will visit in this saga. San Antonio, Santa Fe, San Francisco, Taipei, and many more may also come in. Area 51 already has. Jump in wherever you like, if you're stumped just let us worry about locations.
Harlan Ellison: Has anyone else here read his story in "In the Shadow of The Gargoyle?" Talk about Demona's dream coming true!
A moment of silence for Batman creator Bob Kane. You brought us many great heroes, villains, and storylines. We all mourn your passing from this world and hope you enjoy the next. We also hope that your stories will continue to grow and inspire many people for millenia past your life. I know I will at least include some Batman tales in my own bedtime stories to Leigh Catherine and Kevin Jericho (what we currently want to name them), if Lisa and I ever end up having kids. Let us bow our heads.
**The Ravens, etc. on screen all do so and indulge in a silent prayer and remembrance for Batman's creator.**
Geez, first Kurosawa, then Roddy McDowall, now Bob Kane. Wonder who we'll be mourning next in here. (Hope nobody else so important dies soon.)
Burglary News: The police still don't have anything. Guess he won't be caught anytime soon. Oh well, I'll just go ahead and have us apprehend him in the RP, using that suspicious character I heard about who tried to cash a check without ID last month.
That's all for now. Later everyone.
** The tatooed Mexican Elena is questioning cracks under pressure. He reveals that he is the burglar who's recently robbed several apartments in the area of UT, including Doug's. Unfortunately, he also reveals that he already got rid of, whether by trashing or pawning, all the stuff he took. Doug, looking angry but still keeping his cool, knocks the guy out with his nightstick and tells the others they'll be taking him in for arrest as soon as they find the rest of the gang. As the screen fades out, the Ravens hear sounds of helicopter engines starting up. "The roof!" shouts Shauna. "Come on!" The heroes dash off. To be continued.**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:01:03 PM
IP: fac-b-d6.lib.utexas.edu
Oops... sorry. It was not Doug, it was Sevarius Jr that I was referring to in my last message. It was not 'danced', it was 'dated'. Sorry!
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:45:10 PM
IP: athe530-e064.otenet.gr
And now for something completletely different...
Just some wierd questions:
What show would make for the wierdest crossover with Gargoyles?
What about the most amusing crossover?
And how about the most annoying? (Sailor Moon anyone?)
Coyote> Not only was I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison a game based on a short story, but also the title of the collection of stories that it appeared in. And to what SJ said about him going off on people, pretty much from what I understand if you leave him alone, he'll leave you alone, but if you tick him off, you should probably duck for cover. Oh, and calling him a sci-fi writer is one of the easiest ways to make him mad.
Thought for the day:
"It's up to those of us like you and I who are out of our little minds to cure the rest of the world of its sanity."
(a cyber-donut to the first person to identify the source of the quote)
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:35:23 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu
Batya> Thanks for the cookie. ***Eats it and gives a hug.***
Todd> Esplumeor! Great joke, now that I get it.
Terry Pratchett> My favourite Pratchett books:
Small Gods (which *everyone* should read. It concerns religious fanaticism and is important for everyone.)
Feet of Clay (a great mystery with a lot of red herrings and a lot to say on racial and gender relationships).
Reaper Man (the Death subplot in particular "Lord, what can the harvest hope for, if not for the care of the Reaper Man?" is amazing. A little weak B-plot, but the Death A-plot is a masterpiece.)
Mort (Which IMO is the first 'real' Discworld book). The book that first developed the Death character.
Lords and Ladies was okay I guess, but since I am a Tolkien fan as well, I was a bit off-put to see Elves portrayed in such an evil way.
Maskerade (A Phantom of the Opera parody, which ends up being more serious and more realistic than the original.)
Doug> It depends. Did the girl you danced with, look like Death of Neil Gaiman, or like Death of Terry Pratchett? If the former I envy you! Don't forget that the Endless also define their opposites: Destruction defines creation, Dream defines reality, Death defines life. And she's one of the most beautiful and charming drawn characters I've ever seen.
If the latter... eh, nevermind.
RP> Well I have expressed my distaste for prolonged RP and huge Blaisisms before. I'll only ask that if you want to continue it, *please* make sure it's only at the top and bottom of your message, not throughout it. And that you post for another reason as well, not just for the RP. I've had to skip entire posts because of people posting *only* RP.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:26:22 PM
IP: athe530-e064.otenet.gr
MONS CARBI - You're on the right track, Kitaina, with "Hill of Coal". Try rearranging the words (but not the letters of the words) a little. As I said before, anybody who's familiar with a certain piece of classic British sci-fi television ought to get this one.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:14:25 PM
IP: sys-139.open
And now, instead of the usual roleplay, something incredibly silly:
**Sevarius Jr. marches into the comment room, followed by several dozen angry citizens. He's wearing armor, and is carrying a hammer in his hand.**
We will not rest until the evil CR Lawyer, and all his kind has been destroyed! Aren't you scared? Don't you feel angry that these creatures are stalking the world, and the police do nothing to stop them? While the authorities just turn their backs? Don't you live in fear for your families? Aren't you afraid FOR YOU CHILDREN?? **SJ turns and smiles at Billy's mom, who is also wearing armor and holding a hammer**
We will destroy the evil ones! Join us! Join....the LAWYER HUNTERS!!!
**Several of SJ's followers march in, holding banners. The banners have a familiar Q insignia on them....but that letter has been spray-painted over with an "L"**
WE WILL KILL THE LAWYER! WE WILL NOT STOP! ONLY WHEN THIS WORLD HAS BEEN PURGED OF ALL THEIR VILE ILK WILL WE REST!
**Suddenly, several P.I.L.T. (that's People for Inter-Lawyer Tolerance) members storm into the comment room, ready to fight the "L-Men"....
Has the joke gone on long enough? I guess so.
Wilek: Yes, in fact, Dexter is a distant cousin. On my dad's side. But we never have him over anymore. Last time he was at the old homestead was Thanksgiving, when he brought his sister....and there was an accident with her and one of my dad's experiments...let's just say that Thanksgiving is no fun if THE TURKEY is the one trying to carve YOU with the electric knife. Oh the horror, I can't even mention it...
Coyote: Thank you for mentioning Harlan Ellison, and his great short story, "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream." Everyone I know hates Harlan, but I love his work. And...okay, he's a loudmout, but he can actually write, so I cut him some slack.
I promise folks, next time, I'll be less silly. Only my usual silliness, honest. :)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 11:57:55 AM
IP: rob-106-21.labs.gmu.edu
The RP> Haven't taken too much time for Rping in RL, but... I am tempted to join in on this fracas... Trouble is, I'm all the way up here in Washington! I've been to San Antonio, but that was a long time ago, so I'd never get the location references right! :/ (of course, if the action swings out towards San Angelo or Lubbock...) :)
I have to go with "Mount of Oil" or "Mount of Coal" Todd, and I'm as flumoxed as the rest. What is the signifigance here with "Mons Carbi" ???
Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, November 6, 1998 10:11:37 AM
IP: 176.ieway.com
<Kyryn comes in quietly>
Morning all. I just heard on the news that we lost one of the founding fathers of comics. Bob Kane, the creator of Batman passed away.
Doug> On RP. I may join in occasionally when you get to San Antonio. If so, I will let you know, but my online time sometimes gets limited.
Todd> I speculated earlier about "Mount Charcoal", but I still have no idea of the significance, unless it has something to do with Wales being a heavy coal production area for the British Isles.
Heather> I'm sending you some stuff via email.
<Kyryn walks out>
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Friday, November 6, 1998 09:50:29 AM
IP: 168.37.239.86
** The screen lights up. Doug, Kitainia, and the rest are still exploring the complex. Kitainia begins to speak to the Comment Room.**
Hi, guys. Still nothing to report. **Jammer- "Burglar cracks victim's skull!!" He opens a door and looks in. "Finds nothing!"** We've heard that joke enough, Jim.
Todd: Glad you approve the guidelines. And don't worry, things will be toned down. About Mons Carbi, the fuel you're talking about is coal. And a hill is a smaller form of a mountain. So it means "Hill of Coal." Excuse me if I don't see the significance of that. Mind enlightening me?
Heather: You probably know as well as I do you'll never have the kind of relations you want with that actor who plays Q. Oh well, maybe you'll at least meet him someday. I've met a few actors myself, they've all been very nice. They include William B. Davis (X-Files' CSM), Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, and Robert Duvall.
**The wall suddenly comes tumbling down, and Coyote's tank comes rumbling in. Agent Hacker was unfortunately right in the path of it and he gets run over. Then his body vanishes, maybe the Illuminati teleported him away to bring him back to life. Coyote and co. come out of the tank and Doug begins to talk to them about what they've been doing. Kitainia continues to address the CR.**
Welcome to our side of the RP, Coyote, Jason, Buick, and Gearhead. Hope you enjoy it here more than the sidelines. **Jammer grins. "It can be more dangerous, if we could just find the bad guys!"** <looks at him> Calm down. <turns back to the CR>
Jaden: The RP is an ongoing saga Doug, Coyote, myself, and others are doing as part of our posts in addition to the main comments. Our quest is to stop the plots of Thailog and Wilek's evil clone the Dark Mage, who want to somehow take over the world. A Xanatos-like businessman named Roger Marsh is supplying them, and their main enforcers are Doug's evil Borged-up clone Guod and my psychotic clone Asil. They also have in their tentacles several of our old enemies, various organized crime gangs we're currently dealing with, a corrupt circus, tons of robots, and lots more. We're slowly wearing the ranks of their armies down, don't know how soon we'll be done. We've searched their warehouse, their offices, and their club, and so far found no more of them. If this takes more than another posting, I think we'll just pack up and head on to find the circus in San Antonio. Doug and I are currently being helped by our group of best friends, a "gang" calling itself the Black Ravens. We also have a gov't liasion named Agent Janice Ripowski, here to make sure we do everything within proper procedures. **Everyone on the screen groans, Mist hisses, and Buick whines.** Wilek and some friends of his, Fleur, Traveller, Coyote, TRC, and SJ are also involved on various fronts in the long fight (I'll let them tell you what they're doing). If you want to come in, too, feel free. Since you didn't know what the RP was before now, we'll gladly give you another chance to come in. **Keith sighs. "How did someone ever miss our antics?"** Of course in order to do so, you'll need an "RP personality" that's a bit tougher and more heavily armed than you are in real life. Or be your RL self, but remember, combat in here is constant and you may want to create an alter-ego who knows how to handle them-self in a fight. For example, take my friend Alex Cleary here. **A chubby Raven who looks like a young Frohike takes a bow.** IRL, he is a professional computer programmer who doesn't really get out much (by choice). In this RP, he is Gubio, the world's most scrupulous computer hacker, pilot of a Timberwolf mech, and crack shot with a Colt .45. Gubio also has the alter-ego of Alex's cat Mist to help him out, a giant feline humanoid mutant who is sentient and carries a Gatling gun. (Yes, it scares me, too.) **Gubio smiles. "That's the idea."** We have various other RP personalities in our group as well. Doug's a Duke Nukem/Seth like action man, I'm a half-human half-gargoyle mutant, my sister Stephanie is a Highlander immortal, etc. So if you want to, whether it's to Austin or Area 51 (the places we are right now), feel free to join in. In whatever form you deem worthy.
Wilek: I just had our wizard Lathrop teleport the Doom Commandos you sent us to wherever Cobra is, which I assume is also where you are. We won't be needing them here anymore. Also, please tell Cobra to pull himself and his biker boys and girls out of this mess as soon as you get done cleaning out Area 51. He'll probably protest, in fact I know they will all protest, but it's for the best. This is our fight, we can handle it without them, no reason for them to get themselves hurt anymore than I'm sure they are already. If they get huffy enough, remind them that I'm asking them and they promised to at least sometimes heed my wisdom. Good luck.
MrNoying: You didn't have to stop the CR Lawyer thing, just tone it down a little. Less RP, more comments and things to say. Thanks for the entertainment while it lasted. Be seeing you in San Antonio real soon.
TGS-related post: Yes, I'm wondering why the US government is not responding to the Gargs in New York. Maybe it's one part Illuminati high-ups telling them to stay out, one part being occupied with other problems (like the Clinton troubles, the budget, election campaigns), and one part the city council of New York probably vouching that the clan aren't a problem after they saved all their lives. Anybody agree?
That's all for now. Bye.
** The Ravens and their Mafia allies, along with Coyote and co., form ranks and head on down the corridor. At the end they open a door into the gangs' illegal drugs and cheap knock-offs factory. Inside, trying to throw their goods in trucks and close the place down, are more Mafia goons, Bloods and GD gang members, and Yakuza ninja thugs. A group of Hispanic punks from Elena's old Houston neighborhood, that calls itself the Makos, is also in the room. "Get them!" Fernando Garcia, the Makos' leader, shouts just before Elena's energy-charged machine gun burst takes him down. The Ravens and their allies then rush into the room, joining in battle again as the screen clicks off. To be continued.**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Austin, TX, USA
Friday, November 6, 1998 09:20:28 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty21.as.wcom.net
DOUG - Good guidelines. Hopefully they should bring things much better under control here.
WILLIAM NICHOLSON - Since it doesn't look at the moment as if anybody will get this one, I'll have to answer it myself (maybe I made it just a little too subtle). It's a reversal of "Nicol Williamson", who played the part of Merlin in the movie "Excalibur".
The guessing still stands for the significance of the name "Mons Carbi" for Emrys's school. Here are two more hints: What's a smaller, gentler form of a mountain? And what well-known fuel is made of carbon?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 6, 1998 07:28:43 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-140.primary.net
(Enter Jim Iza Noying)
Alrighty, some of you have already figured out that I played the part of the CR Lawyer for the last week. I had orignally intended it to be a haloween post only, but then people replied to it, and I had to respond! Seems my IP address gave me away tho'... (By the way, you can stop e-mailing me saying you know my secret now) And since that's ruined now, there isn't much point in continuing the story I was running between the two of them...
For those interested, the trial would have ended with the room being condemnded, but then Oberon was going to show up, and ban the CR Lawyer (ala Puck) from posting himself, forcing him to only enter the room to be killed. But since the fad is over now anyhow and the RP's need to be cut down, I'm offing mine, and will stick to meaningless, one or three line sketches when I enter. No long scenes, unless they're requested. Heck, the gators should keep me plenty busy. So, the CR Lawyer won't be coming on as an individual anymore, but its okay to bring him in and kill him on occasion. (Though no one is going to top Zath's.)
Now then, about the gator names, they still need them people! Apparently no one understood me, we're VOTING on their names. They are the comment room's pets, not mine alone after all. Of course, we could just keep referring them to the CR's rabid gators...
Heather- I'm going to ignore you in the comment room from now on just like everyone else. (I'm just kidding! Sheesh!)
Wilek- Someone else knows about Doctor Who? I THOUGHT I WAS ALONE!
Anyhow, that's about it. This place IS getting crowded this week...
(One last time before he can't ever again after this, Jim Iza Noying kills the CR Lawyer. Use your imagination on how it happened, it's the last death we'll see for some time.)
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:41:00 AM
IP: spider-tn044.proxy.aol.com
Doug> I was just checking to see if I missed anything and I saw read something about people joining a RP saga. What is that? Sounds intesting...So please answer.
Thanks.
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:21:36 AM
IP: pm1-17.sma.silcom.com
Everyone seems to be talking about different Gargoyle crossovers. I think that a Star Trek/Gargoyles or a Highlander/Gargoyles would be the most popular ones.
Now in TGS does anyone wonder why U.S. government hasn't gotten reacted to the Gargoyles presence? I mean what are they waiting for?
You know I'm sure that the TGS writers are getting a little annoyed with people still asking when Timedancer and Dark Ages are going to start up again. Won't it just be easier to post an estimated date...instead of wasting your time answering the same questions over and over?
Well anyway...I'm waiting for Monday to come along (feels like this week is taking forever).
See everyone tomorrow!!!
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, California, U.S.A.
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:12:41 AM
IP: pm1-17.sma.silcom.com
Fire Storm > He is not 'my man'. * but whispers * I wish he was....but younger.
I watched it....and he was so handsome in that white suit. I wish that was me being kissed on the hand !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:10:02 AM
IP: 169-200-136.ipt.aol.com
Heather: Did you watch the Sci-Fi channel on halloween? Your man John was doing a few radio plays. REALLY cool.
BTW... do you have all of Merlin Missy't fan-fics? I remember that you wanted me to tell you about them, but I wanted you to read them. Do you HAVE them to read? If not, I do have them.
Coyote: How about a P2-350, 64mb, 8mb video, case, sans-CD, HD, and Floppy for roughly $325? Add HD, Floppy, CD probally for about $250-$300.
If you are interested, let me know. I am in a auction for one of those systems and it ends in 4 days.
Wilek: DERN LOT BOYS! The address is:
Http://www3.visitus.net/jeremycbcd/feiger.wav
I forgot the 3!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, November 6, 1998 01:04:01 AM
IP: dhcp185.visitus.net
Heather again: And if I had been paying attention, I would have seen you say "Oklahoma." Check the site. Trust me. They usually have at least one show listed for Oklahoma City.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:10:30 AM
IP: modem38.i-is.com
Heather: Best bet is any Star Trek convention that lists him as a guest, especially if one comes close to home. The way I met Hudson was at a Xenacon in Novi.
Click my name link to go to Creation Entertainment, which is the biggest sci-fi con organization company in North America. They usually have a list of upcoming shows, the bulk of which are Star Trek or Xenacons. Most of these have a going rate for tickets which include autographs, at which point you do come face-to-face-across-a-table with the celebrity. (BTW, it'll depend on the size and where you are at the con: the only reason I was able to have the picture taken was because I was the first one through the autograph line because I was one of the first to buy reserved-seat tickets.) If all else fails with reserved tickets, go with a handicapped friend; most times there is a special seating section for handicappers which allows one companion, and the handicappers are usually the first to go through the line, if there is such a section.
Just out of curiosity, you don't have to answer, but where are you? I know where most of the cons are held, I could probably help you out in finding one.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 6, 1998 12:07:36 AM
IP: modem38.i-is.com
Coyote > Thanks . But how could I ever meet John De Lancie ?
* frowns * Why should I bother him. He's busy with his "Alien Voices" thing. Why should be bothered by a 14 teen year old kid from Oklahoma.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 11:51:31 PM
IP: 169-200-136.ipt.aol.com
**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote, the Gearhead, Buick and Jason DeRosa just rousing from their nitrous-induced stupor. Coyote looks at the crew.**
You guys okay?
<"A little nauseous, but all right." "Yeah, boss." "Arf">
Good. **looks to right and sees the Ravens' transport** Gearhead, get rid of that nitrous tank, it's no good anyway and I don't want to have sleepy-time again.
<"Right boss.">
Okay, the tank'll take a while to warm up again, so I'll do some replies while we wait.
Fire Storm: The comp. I want is something affordable, reliable, and that I can run the Internet, Photoshop, a scanner and Director on. Not much to ask, right?
Traveler: Most likely, she would lash out at whoever caused her to lose Samson. If it were through death (unlikely), she would go after the killer. If it were through breaking the spell (**WARNING! POSSIBLE WCC SPOILER!!!**), most likely it would be whoever broke the spell ... and if it breaks the same way it broke for Angela, Demona's target would be Ariana. Failing those, she would go after Rosanna, basically because she considers Rosanna her mortal enemy.
I'm looking forward to massive migraines. Already getting some, since not everybody told me what side they'd be on, and there are at least 13 "free agents" (char's who could be either side, or could change sides at the drop of a hat). Rest assured, I have plenty of drugs to get me through WCC's writing (read: Tylenol and Metabolife).
BTW, did you name your gator after Lauren Lane's character on "The Nanny?"
Doug, Kitainia: I abdicate my prize to JEB, not because you said it's beyond warranty, but because I think it was kind of unfair how I managed to win it, having been awake at 2:15 in the morning. JEB, the factory's yours!
Heather: I'm not ignoring you, I just got back IRL. And as for your fantasy ... why not? I mean, if I can get a picture taken with Hudson Leick, you can certainly meet John DeLancie.
You're not alone in your attitude about your companions. Truth be told, for all four of my years in high school I felt like I turned invisible after February. Everybody ignored me. Go fig.
Ravyn: Nice to see ya. It's been kind of color lacking without your purple posts!
SJ: Uhh ... it says you used to date Winona Ryder? ;)
Seriously, though, I used to collect "Preacher," until I started missing issues because I couldn't get to the comic shop on a regular basis. You're right, it's extremely sick (three words: Jesus De Sade), but it's *very* well-written. Actually, most of Garth Ennis' stuff is that way. (And I've actually met Glenn Fabry, the cover artist of that book. Goofy British guy. Got an autograph and a photo with him rolling his eyes back in his head.)
MrNoying: Yes, but I didn't have the transcript with me. These were little off-the-cuff MSTings. It's pretty easy with that ep.
TRC: Nitrous is *very* dangerous. Not only is it explosive, it's derived from opium and is highly addictive. We've been breathing near-pure nirtous here (that's why everybody couldn't quit laughing and eventually passed out.). But we're feeling *MUCH* better now!
Wilek: You want to talk about lousy luck? This last week, I've had to call the auto club *twice* about Lexington. Both times, I've shut myself out of the car with the engine running, the windows up and non-working exterior doorhandles. Tonight, you also add the radiator leaking and the car spewing white steam all over the place. And on top of that, I have to run a mile up the road to call AAA, and when I get back there's two cops who've pulled up because rubberneckers looking at my poor car have been blocking traffic! ARRRRRGHHHH!!!
And before I forget, "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" the computer game was based on "IHNMAIMS" the short story written by the loudest mouth in sci-fi, Harlan Ellison (and one of my favorite guys, I might add!). The story involved a colony of humans held prisoner by a supercomputer who keeps killing and resurrecting them so that it can learn the secret of life.
***RP now***
<"Coyote! The turbines are warm, we're ready to go!">
All right, Gearhead! Everybody strap in!
**Everyone straps into their assigned positions.**
Buick, go with Plan R-2.
<"Not ...">
Yep, that. Ram it!
**Buick guides the tank toward the wall of the building they are parked next to, gunning the engine and punching the tank through the side wall. Coyote is head yelling "Hang on, guys, we're comin'!" as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, November 5, 1998 11:36:35 PM
IP: modem38.i-is.com
Todd - There was a second William Nicholson (1872-1949), a famous artist of no relation to the first William Nicholson that I mentioned. He did the original illustrations for the Velveteen Rabbit.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, November 5, 1998 10:39:18 PM
IP: 3.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net
Wilek Nereus > Really ? You think of me interesting ? Have you ever felt that you are an outcast in your school or whatever and you can't escape it ? That's how I feel everyday when I wake up. It's like " wHo's going to mock and torture me today ?"
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 10:30:44 PM
IP: 169-200-136.ipt.aol.com
Sure, Wilek. Whatever works for you.
Doug
Thursday, November 5, 1998 10:19:52 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zok-vty64.as.wcom.net
Heather: Sorry, had too many other things to say. I'll get more to you next post.
Theresa: You've lost track? Great, guess that's what happens when we split it all into so many fronts. For you and anyone else, here is all you need to know as far as things are right now for me and Kitainia (I'll let the other people list their events for them.)
1. We are currently in Austin, dealing with a huge group of allied gangs that include Mafia, Yakuza, Bloods, and other types.
2. We are also encountering and dealing with our old enemies of this life, who have been recruited by Kitainia's evil psychotic clone Asil to take us down. Don't worry, this will end soon. The only old RL enemies we currently have plans to stay around past their next appearance are Gubio's hacker nemesis Tyl, a guy Shap knew and hated who will become the new leader of the revived Fundamentalist Extreme; gang leaders Cutter, T'angelo, and Bruce; and Gennady Bucharev and his thugs. The others, when you see them next, will be killed.
3. The only villians you really need to worry about are Thailog, Dark Mage Wilek, Roger Marsh, Asil, and Guod. Everyone else is just basically some kind of a generic throwaway thug.
4. The good guys on our side of the action will soon drop all the help they're recruiting on the side just to tone this character level thing down. The only people you'll need to worry about in our posts are the fourteen Ravens and Janice, our government liasion. All the other incidental good guys will be taken out, by death or by us no longer asking for their help. Just so all know, the Ravens include me and Kitainia, Gubio (the hacker), Jammer (the comedian), Shap (the paladin), Orion (the cleric), Tricia (the smart girl with psionic powers), Lathrop (the wizard), Elena (Lara Croft's way too violent Halfling twin), Boris (the Russian Owenite strongman), Shauna (the nagging archer), Keith (the cynical ninja), Stephanie (the self-obsessed Highlander-style immortal) and Mist (the cat). That is as far as things are going to go.
BTW, doesn't a kitty with a chaingun scare anyone else here? I know it does me. God, why did Gubio have to pick that for Mist's weapon of choice?
On a TGS-related note, is anyone else curious as to how many of the Unseelie have a chance for reform? I know Umbriel will, but I also think George could, if he can only be convinced to let go of his hate. Agreement?
That's all for now, later.
Doug
Thursday, November 5, 1998 10:16:10 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zok-vty64.as.wcom.net
[Theresa teleports Wilek into the CR.] Hello all. The rest of the team can do without me for one post. Actually, they themselves suggested I come here to find those cards that Coyote mentioned; they thought those would be useful against Area 51 security. [Wilek takes out the scanner Miriam loaned him and hunts through the room as he speaks.]
Traveler> CC is so adorable. Hey, do your duster pockets work something like the inside of a Gallifraean TARDIS? BTW, Miriam's big mysterious organization has little if anything to do with the government; she told me that much. It's privately funded; something to do with patents and owed favors...Oh, and the 'microdiffracted carbon alloy' is from the Star Trek novel "The Return"; Starfleet coats a Defiant-class starship with it so it's less detectable when decloaked. Finally, I agree about the Teletubbies. They are the Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse.
Cyrway> <<"With No Mouth, it Is Difficult to Scream">> Was there a PC game based on that? I seem to remember encountering one called "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream". Hm, I shall have to read your fics when the archive gets back up. I could understand "Split Infinities", so I think I can read your stuff without suffering a brain hemmorage (sp?).
Terry Pratchett books> Am I the only garg here who hasn't read these?
Kitainia> Mist is the kewlest cat in existence. <hopes Kitty isn't here>
Dumlao X> Thanks. Hm, what breed is Illegal? I'm thinking Shih Tzu. Those are so cute.
Y'know, speaking of bizarre crossovers, I see a lot of Gargs/Animaniacs crossovers. Even weirder, I think they actually work. Also, I've tripped over a Gargs/Sailor Moon crossover. Weird.
Todd> Hm, Emrys' school sure sounds like Cocytus, judging from how snotheaded the teachers are. [One of Wilek's WCC characters teleports in.] No, not *you*. [The character teleports out.] Ack. Anyhow, have you noticed that the Lawyer's posts are pretty much all RP?
SJ> I agree about Q, the Borg, and Weyoun. Hey, do you have a relative named Dexter? I've seen a few eps of Dexter's Laboratory on Cartoon Network, and Dex certainly has the Sevarius hair color, accent, fashion sense, and scientific brilliance.
Heather> You are in fact interesting. You've created a very nice gargoyle clan, and you draw about a zillion orders of magnitude better than me. (At least I *think* you draw; maybe I'm thinking of someone else. But I still think you're interesting.) Y'know, I understand what it's like to have awful luck. I'm the sort who never has good things happen to me unless I cause them to happen myself; that gets pretty irritating. I can sympathize. Oh, did you ever resolve that scary situation with that psychopath who was sending death threats or something? Whatever happens, I'll be cheering for you. <hugs her>
Doug> I agree with your RP guidelines; I don't want to have THREE CR's to keep up with. :) Is it OK if I continue putting my RP stuff in [ ] like I've been doing? (I figure it probably is, but I just want to be absolutely sure.)
FS> I hate to tell you this, but your most recent Fieger WAV link still gives an Object Not Found error.
Theresa> THANK YOU SO MUCH for that cure!!!
I found some cards! [Wilek holds up three cards saying, "Resurrect Three", "Mindshatter", and "Lurk". Hm, these will do nicely. I'll be back later for more cards. Bye all! [Theresa teleports Wilek back to Area 51.]
Wilek Nereus - [<--Ever wonder?]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 10:14:20 PM
IP: tnt-2-231-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Greetings. To the RP's I have totally lost track of what's going on. There are too many posters and too many characters to keep track of. I only skim and look for comments now.
My friend Ariane has B5 and Gargoyle cards for sale/trade. "I have posted the gargoyles trading cards: "http://www/geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/7868/Gargoyle.htm
Starsinger leaves a humidifier in the room. It starts misting the room and all who enter. Thanks Kitty for your help. The cure for the Dragon Virus is now is the comment room and should cure everyone.
Night All.
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 09:59:58 PM
IP: proxy-351.public.rwc.webtv.net
Wow. Look how everyone could just ignore you.
Only MrNoying replies to my comment. And you guys said I can talk to you guys .
I'm not acting like a poor little girl but I hardly have good happen.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 09:59:01 PM
IP: 169-200-136.ipt.aol.com
That was Guido Adam Sandler tackled in the entrance, not Gino. Sorry to anyone who got confused. Can't believe I forgot to check that name!
Doug
Thursday, November 5, 1998 09:25:03 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zok-vty64.as.wcom.net
** The screen comes on. Doug and those with him are still exploring the gangs' warehouse complex. All of a sudden the very much still-alive ex-football player turned Fundamentalist Extreme Brother Guido leaps out in front of them and starts going, "What's the matter with you little boys and girls? You're too stupid! You can't see that Jesus is the ONLY way to lead a good life..." "SHUT UP!!!" a voice suddenly screams from behind the guy as Adam Sandler runs out of nowhere, tackles Gino, sacks him thirty-seven times, and then stomps on his neck. Doug and the other Ravens clap and cheer, knowing this time the guy is not getting up.**
Sorry about that, someone pointed out to me in an e-mail that we didn't actually see Guido get trampled to death by Ricky, so I decided to have him get killed again. Since I'm going to go see The Waterboy tomorrow and probably laugh my head off, I couldn't resist having Guido meet his doom at my favorite "stupid comedy" actor's hands. Yes, I will give everyone the review. **The Ravens thank Adam Sandler, who bows and then runs off.**
Todd: You're right, this RP is getting big. However, you know what? I read back through previous postings after I saw your comment and discovered that the current great size of this page is way more related to the antics related to the TGS Lawyer and his many deaths than our totally seperate endless quest. Just about every one of the "long RP-related stuff and not much else" posts is related to killing the lawyer, and that's not part of our saga at all! Maybe people should stop that game. I mean, can you give the Lawyer a break? He's died enough already! And in grislier ways than I can believe! Sheesh!!!
Kitainia and I have been taking care to follow our rules and post only when there's lots of other stuff to comment on and we always try to comment on it more than we RP. It's obvious, as you noticed, that others aren't doing that. MrNoying seems to be the main culprit who is involved in our saga. Everyone else is involved in the Lawyer-Death contest, and not our thing. Of course, MrNoying has involved himself in that as well. :) But since we are involved in the RP, and you asked everyone involved to tone it down, us not intentionally prolonging the list of comments with pointless lawyer-related violence is no excuse for us not to comply with your demands. So let's adapt a compromise, okay? Kitainia and I (we started this thing, the others who got involved can make up their own minds) shall keep the RP going, but from now on adhere to the following additonal rules:
1. No more RP-related cyber-cookie contests. (This should cut out a lot of the RP-related posting replies, though everyone will miss it, I know. Relax, people, it's not like we own a cyber-cookie factory anymore! (And with the union that they have there, Thank God!)).
2. This RP saga has been going on long enough now for us to know who's in and who's out. So we shall close membership ranks. Wilek, SJ, TRC, Fleur, MrNoying, Coyote, Traveler, Green Baron, Kitainia, myself, and no other posters. Unless two things happen. a) A new poster comes in and wants to join, we'll let them in as we have to be fair to the newbies. b) If any others among the current posters not mentioned above want to join, please say so in your next post (and we'll welcome you) or forever hold your peace. This should cut down on RP posts big time!
3. All RP-event stuff shall be between ** and ** in the text so people can sort it out from the rest.
4. We shall not get involved in the Lawyer Killing Spree again, and encourage others to get out of it ASAP. It has already been enough done.
5. Only one RP-related posting from me and Kitainia (and anyone else who also adopts this rule) per day. If we make multiple posts, they shall not include RP action.
6. If this plus our earlier stated rules does not satisfy you, when I get my own website up this Christmas break, I will create my own comment room and move it all there. (Gubio is currently teaching me HTML.) I'll probably ask DumlaoX for and use this place's CGI. But I don't think I'll need to do that, right, everyone? We can eliminate the lawyer-killing and tone this thing down to where we can still keep our saga going without anyone getting mad. Do you accept this compromise, Todd? Does everyone else involved in the saga agree?
Hope so, now on to other things.
Green Baron: Noticed you killed Fieger in the other CR recently. Good job. You saved us the job of doing it in here. I also liked getting to see Jesse "The Body" Ventura. He sounds like quite a character, hope he does good as a governor of his state. Of course, I heard he's calling himself "Jesse the Mind" now. :)
Mandi: If we knew where Asil was, we'd gladly send her that little bug. But we don't, so oh well. Thank you for offering.
Deadly Games: Yep, that was the answer. Enjoy your factory, Coyote, though I will understand if you want to give it to your runner-up JEB. That was a neat show, too bad UPN killed it so fast.
Buffy: I like that show a lot. Definitely better series than the movie looked like it could generate. Buffy and Xander are at a draw for my favorite character, Giles is second and Spike is tied with Cordelia and Willow for third. That crossover people have mentioned sounds like yet another of the "bring two characters from different shows into a relationship and that's it" fics. Bet I could do better when I bring vampires into my own fanfic universe. I'll of course adapt enough in the Buffy universe to make it fit with Gargs. (Examples: The slayer is a reincarnated hero akin to Rory, all the demons are really rogue Unseelie, and whatever else I need to do.) The story is definitely a long way off, but it will happen. Someday.
TRC: (Note, this is all going to be fic-related stuff!) If you could e-mail me with questions about my fic instead of posting them in here, it would really help the comment room from clogging up. Just a suggestion, not a demand. To answer your inquiries:
Vinnie: I've taken tons of flak for killing him like that already, I don't think I want any more. I've said it before, I'll say it again. I'm sorry, it should not have been done. I wanted to get rid of a minor character I never really liked, and everyone who read the story where I did it got out for my blood. (Kitainia even made me sleep on the couch! Sheesh!) So I'm sorry, I didn't know Vinnie was THAT well-liked. I will be bringing him back, though, even if doing that won't erase the pain. In some story in the future, he will return. As for how he lived, I'll just say O'Neil clubbed him on the back of the head with the axe instead of decapitating him and that way I won't have to go back and change the already-posted text. Then so that I can still say he was dead, I'll have it mentioned that Micheal Knight revived Vinnie with CPR in a scene readers didn't see. That should work. At least, I hope it does.
Agony: For me, the same thing happened with Demona. I wanted to see her die once I found out about her hatred for humans, and her bloodlust in the first Gargoyles eps. Then, as I saw her come back in future episodes as more of a developed character, she grew on me and I wanted to find out more about her. With Agony, I did kind of the same deal. I decided to make him come across at first as a psychotic evil weirdo, what Versati and just about everyone else saw him as, and little more. The careful reader of "Fall of Nightstone," the story in which Agony first appears, will note that I always show him through someone else's eyes in the story (Versati's, Richard Fisk's, Templar's, Robyn's, and so on), never his own. And out of all the ones who encountered him, only Tomlinson seemed to like or even appreciate the guy. I did that intentionally, I wanted to start off showing his character by how others think of him. Then, in the next story he appeared in and later works, I also showed O'Neil through his own eyes and through the eyes of one of the few people who can bring out his true self. That changed his character immensly for many readers, including you. I'm sure you can see how. Remember, Agony's nature is twofold. On one side, he is the cold heartless killer we saw in Fall of Nightstone, who is all too happy to end lives because that way he'll never get to know the person and never because of their death feel any pain. This side is mocking, singing people to death with a sweep of the axe or shock of the hand. But on the other side, Agony is not really like that. He's a decent and kind sort of man, content to just do his own thing and let the world pass him by. But of course he can't be like that forever, no one can. He knows that, and thus he has to be involved in the world. That's when he lets out his other self, the rage that made him kill Abel and his clan in "Choices" and he has since learned to manifest as coldness and kill-them-all mentality instead, come to the fore. When he's not involved in doing something bad, or when he's with his friends (such as Laura and Connor), he pushes that anger down and replaces it with his guilt, wisdom, and friendly tale. Not everyone can appreciate that dual nature, of course, and I'm glad that so far my readers seem to have been able to. Agony is, and will remain the character who is perhaps my fanfic universe's most complex man.
So he's not "a total eager to kill-send them all to hell-god I love the smell of human bone marrow in the morning kinda guy." He just comes across that way far too often, unfortunately causing many to see him as just the kind of man he does not want to be. Now Seth, on the other hand, well, I won't go into that. Send me an e-mail asking the question or read more into the stories if you want to know. Thank you for your questions and comments so far, they've really been appreciated by me. (End fic-related stuff.)
Lawrence: Hey, we have nothing against paganism, or any religion other than the various kinds of Fundamentalist Extreme. You're a nice guy, as are all the pagans I've met in this life. You're welcome.
Okay, this post is long enough now. No more to say. Bye.
**The Ravens and their allies walk on down the corridor, kicking in every door they pass and still finding that all the enemy has apparently fled. "Geez," everyone hears Keith sigh just before the screen goes blank. "Where'd everybody go?" To be continued next time...**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 09:23:58 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zok-vty64.as.wcom.net
AIRWALKER - Good try, but no, that's not who I was thinking of for "William Nicholson". (There was a real William Nicholson? Interesting). You need to try harder. (I may need to supply this place with another clue, to help people out).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 5, 1998 08:20:59 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-74.primary.net
Todd - William Nicholson (1753-1815) was an english writer and lecturer. Edited "The Journal of Natural Philosophy, Chemistry, and the Arts", earliest work of the kind in England. Wrote "An Introduction to Natural Philosophy", invented an Aerometer, and discovered a way of decomposing water by electric current.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, November 5, 1998 08:02:24 PM
IP: 158.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net
Everyone. they made a Gardoyle T.V. movie back in 1972.
Liked the new Pendragon episode, also I am glad that the rest of the London Clan came back.
KITAINIA< Thank ypu for not critizing me because I am pagan because most people do.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Thursday, November 5, 1998 08:01:47 PM
IP: cacheflow.bright.net
MrNoying > How am I a interesting person ?
I just wish that my wish does come true , someday.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:52:10 PM
IP: 201-158-153.ipt.aol.com
(TRC is lying in his suit , trapped by the cave in , and has an hours worth of air in his tanks , after that all he'll have left is the putrid fumes left outside in the cavity that the Alien's acid blood has burned in the rocks . The suit's armour is putting up a good fight against the acid but is slowly loseing . The Blood on his visor has dried and caked . )
Hi ll , I used a spell to stop the bleeding , but I'm still pretty week since I lost alot of blood , making spell casting VERY difficult . Hell , makes BREATHING very difficult !! . There's also been alot of structural damage so I'm going to have to go to the Hospital after this mission , mmmm . . . morphine .
Well the fight is going well I see .
Wilek :Sorry for worrying you man , I was going to post yesterday but the message I wrote was unable to be posted for some reason , I do'nt mind though , I was taking the RP in a direction that , in retrospect , I do'nt like .
Be careful of the walls inside the Complex , last time I was in there they had altered the walls to act as pretty powerful magnets pinning me to the walls . You can ID them by the fact that they're a little duller than the regular panels and walk on the opposite wall so that the pull is'nt too strong . If it does catch you , destroy the floor panels at its base , the damage severs the power lines .
RAAWTED , you got some gators , wicked . Where'd you get them ? The Zoo , Florida , Africa , New York sewer tunnels ?
DumlaoX : I'm glad that "A Bug's Life " was'nt just Disney's answer to Ants , I saw that movie too , I liked it but I found it to be a little short . How long was "A Bug's Life " Anyway ?
What exactly is Illegal's function anyway , do you tell him the name and type of the file that you want him to find on the net or something to that effect ?
Buffy - I like that show too , but sadly I ca'nt get to watch TV during the week , I do tape other shows that I do'nt want to miss , DBZ for example , but I tape so many that I do'nt think I can handle anymore .
Buffy/Gargoyles Crossover - That would be interesting to see , she'd probably rate at around Lex's strength level and maybe Gremae and Arianna's combined skill level . I wonder what she'd think at first sight though , probably "Demons" like almost everyone else , except of course that she'd have a hard time getting a stake though Gargoyle bone .
Incidental Characters - I like hem too , they add a certain flare to the show , fic or whatever , I really hate it when they get killed . (looks annoyedly at Doug ) Was it absolutely necessary to kill Vinnie just when the guy was starting lead a decent life ?
Doug : Agony , did you have second thoughts about the type of person he would be after that story , because he struck me as a total eager to kill-send them all to hell-god I love the smell of human bone marrow in the morning kinda guy . Then in the next fic he was pretty decent and friendly . He started out as the kind of guy you ca'nt wait to die and turned into the person who you ca'nt wait to learn more about . I'm not worried about the Lawyer and his suit against any of us , The judge owes me a few favours , besides the lawyer was involved in questionable activity with his grand daughter . So the lawyer will be lucky if the Judge does'nt mount his head on the wall after caving it in with his Gravol .
Zath : Nice job of killing the lawyer there , I've been thinking of a way to top it and I've got a pretty good layout in my mind but I want to get it down on paper first .
But for now (TRC turns to the lawyer and pulls out a strange sphere of bright green colour , he throws it full force at the lawyer who crouches down and puts his hand over his head , but the ball does'nt hit him , it phases into him . The lawyer gets up .
Lawyer - Hah , what was that supposed to do ? It did'nt even hurt .
TRC - Patience , it needs to incubate first .
The lawyer's eyes open wide in shock and he grasps his stomach falling to the floor and rolls back and forth moaning and sreaming in pain . A bulge appears in his stomach and spreads through the veins in his body cutting off all the blood to his tissues , he then begins to expand and his screams become one long high pitched wail as a three foot tentacled jelly like , life form bursts out of him , forms a head , bites into his neck and drags him off into a corner of the CR and messily begins to feed all the while eyeing the gators with a look of anticipation .)
Hmm , better get him back after he's done with the Lwayer .
Coyote : Does'nt nitrous oxide have some VERY harmful side effects ?
(TRC closes his eyes , put a pill into his mouth and lets it dissolve under his tongue , gives himself an injection of adrenaline and mumbles an incantation . his body is slowly covered layer by layer with phosphorescent (sp?) fibres until he is completely cocooned . The acid eats through the armours power supply rendering the suit inert and TRC unable to release the seal , the acid will reach him before too long . To be continued .)
Once again , please do'nt aafect my position , I have plans .
The Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:47:45 PM
IP: 208.11.41.195
"Well Mr. Noying have you ever killed a Smurf?"
"Um, before I answer that, are you tape recording this?"
"Well, um... That is..."
"If you aren't, you probably should! You might miss something otherwise!"
"Very well. I have your consent then?"
"Sure." (Mind you, MrNoying is currently distracted by something shiny, and is not as intelligent as he could be.) No." MrNoying is jolted with a few thousand volts, the lie detector has been rigged.
"You are clearly lying MrNoying. Now, tell me the truth. Have you ever killed a smurf?"
"No!" MrNoying's screams can be heard for quite some distace.
"MrNoying, do you even know what a smurf is?"
"Um, no.")
Wilek- I have the cure for the dragon virus if you truly wish to have it. I am a lawyer, I must know of these sorts of things after all.
Heather- Would you believe I am Jon Deylancee? What do you mean I mispelled my own name? All right, you caught me, I am not him.
And the rest of you, I will ask again, STOP KILLING ME!
("Smurfs. Those stupid little blue things with the white hats!"
"Oh, them, sure! We feed them to the gators all the time! We don't feed you to them anymore, because you give them gas!"
"So you admit to killing Smurfs and myself, repeatedly?"
"Yeah sure, the little buggers deserve to die!" The CR Lawyer places his shiny coin back into his pocket. MrNoying's I.Q. jumps dramatically. "Of course, you can't prove I just said that." MrNoying smiles.
"Oh, but you are wrong." The CR Laywer pulls out a tape recorder, and hits rewind.
"...little buggers deserve to die!"
"Oh spit."
CR Lawyer
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:41:14 PM
IP: spider-we023.proxy.aol.com
SEVARIUS JR. - Click on my name to get to the Gargoyles Guide.
Incidentally, the RPing may be getting just a wee bit out of hand here; it's only Thursday evening and already the comment room is up past 300K. We may want to make the RPing and Blaisisms shorter since they seem to be a major reason for how quickly the room's been filling up (and lately, there've been a lot of posts that are primarily long RPing/Blaisism sessions with one or two brief sentences for actual comments - the RPing takes up much more space than the comments).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:35:52 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-74.primary.net
<Kyryn delurks carrying a toolkit and her electron pulse cannon>
Well, I'm hunting gremlins again, and installing new software and hardware. Or course, that's probably why I have gremlins. They just love shiny new hardware!
Firestorm> Hawkwind & Blue Oyster Cult - love their stuff!
The only Terry Pratchett novel I've gotten to read so far is "Men at Arms". A friend loaned it to me because she said I had to read about the Librarian. Being a librarian myself, it was hilarious. Now the rest of the novels are on my to read list, with about 68 others. Aagh!
Sigh. This on top of trying to read and write fics, draw, plan a wedding, and about 20 million other things. Ah well, time only exists so that everything doesn't happen at once. Maybe that's why I always feel like there's no time. <g>
Todd> The only thing that I can come up with is that it translates into something like "Mount Carbon" or "Mount Charcoal", but I'll be danged if I know what the reference is to.
<Kyryn suddenly spots a gremlin in the CR doorway, and runs after it trying to zap it with the pulse cannon>
Kyryn
Uvalde, Tx
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:30:20 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
(We go now to live coverage of the trial, where the CR Lawyer is interrogating Jim Iza Noying.
"Mr. Noying, is it true that you and various comment room members have repeatedly killed the smurfs taking residence in your comment room, not to mention myself?"
"No."
"Dang! I hadn't counted on THAT defense!"
This trial may go well...
Nichodemus- I'm also curious as what happened to the banshee...
Coyote- Well, since we already have a transcript of a certain episode of the Goliath Chronicle, it would be very easy to give it a proper MSTing...
Doug- Putting dialouge in the RP is a good idea.
Traveler- Um, 9 cybercookies.
Duece- The difference is, the family channel sucks more than Disney.
Green Baron- Just thought you should know, you're cat is posting for you...
DumlaoX- Bug's Life is as good as ANTZ? Woah... I was going to see it anyway, but as good as ANTZ? That's tough to pull off... ANTZ was very well done...
Batya- Meeting of Druzilla and Wakko was handled just they way it would actually go!
Heather- John DeLance would meet you because you're an interesting person!
(The lawyer is still questioning Jim.
"All right, new tactic. Mr. Noying, do you see this device right here?"
"It's a lie detector."
"Yes, it is."
"Aren't lie detectors unadmissable as evidence in a court room?"
"True, but I'm doing it simply so I know if you are telling the truth." The lawyer pulls out a shiny quarter and waves it in front of Jim's face. Instantly, his IQ drops about 80 points.
"Oh, okay..." Jim is strapped into the lie detector.
"So, have you ever killed any smurfs before?"
"No." Suddenly, Jim is fried with a bit of electric shock. "OWWWW! That hurts!"
"I know. Now tell the truth, or fry! Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha!"
"I didn't know you could laugh maniacly like that."
"A trick I picked up from Xanatos."
"Ohhhh..."
"Now, Mr. Noying, we are going to try this again. Have you ever killed a Smurf?"...)
to be continued....
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:25:26 PM
IP: spider-we023.proxy.aol.com
Todd: Ok, thanks for correcting me on the name. I guess I was thinking of Cocytus because we went there in the game last night (we moved it to Wednesday this week because this weekend too many of us have papers to write). I shall concentrate on Mons Carbi. Hmm, now what does that mean?
Kitainia
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:10:21 PM
IP: hil-c45-062-vty248.as.wcom.net
**Sevarius Jr. and Frankie, along with Wilek and the rest of the team are slowly patrolling through Area 51....**
Man, this place is weird. I've seen things here that would make the monsters in my Closet of Horrors shake in their booties. It's quite here...a little too quite.
I've got a lot to say, today. Didn't post yesterday, so I'm way behind.
VERTIGO: Well, glad others in here like DC's 'adult' line of comics. For my money, Sandman was the greatest, but alas, it had to come to an end. Books of Magic is pretty cool, too. And Preacher--it's incredibly violent, but very well written. (On a side note, I once dated a girl that looked a lot like Death...I wonder what that says about me?)
BANSHEE: Someone mentioned her? Call me a hopeless romantic, but I always wanted her and Rory to overlook the fact that they're immortal enemies and hook up. (But that's just me...in fact, I'd like to see Macbeth and Demona get involved...I know, I got a thing for weird romances. But come on, didn't Mac and Demmie make a cute couple in Sanctuary? Huh?)
Q!! Q WAS HERE! I love Q. He always was my favorite single Trek villain (the Borg are the coolest aliens). By the way, to any DS9 fans in here, anybody else like Weyoun? I'm sorry, I've been a Jeffrey Combs fan ever since Reanimator.
TODD: Can you post a link to your Garg Encyclopedia? Last time I checked, the link on the Gargoyle Fan site only showed letters A and B.
BUFFY: Ah, my lady. If I was a vampire, I would BEG her to stake me. As for a Garg/Buffy crossover...hmm, I'd love it if Spike and Dru were the villains (BTW, Batya, you do the best Dru impression ever!). They were always my fave villains on the show. Oh, and just cause he ain't been gettin' his props, I'd like to say this about my second fave character on the show: GILES IS THE MAN! I wish they'd let him kick ass some more...
Terry Pratchett: Heard of him, never read his stuff. I'll have to give him a try.
Dumlao: IMO, I think Prince of Egypt looks great. As for Antz...I can't get past the oogey Woody Allen factor....He creeps me out.
**Suddenly, a scuttler appears out of nowhere, only to be shot down by Frankenstein's Monster.
"Whew, that was close. I owe you another one, Frank."
<No problem. Hey! What's that?> Frank points forward.
There, chained to a wall, is the CR Lawyer. He looks as if he's been tortured...bruises and cuts decorate his face, and it appears as if some of his hair has been ripped out. SJ and Frankie approach him.
"Oh thank God! You gotta help me!" he begs them. SJ and Frank look at each other. "Well...." SJ begins, "It is getting close to Christmas. And I do want Santa to bring me a new gene splicer this year. I guess we should do the right thing and cut him loose."
<You sure?>
SJ nods. "Yeah." Frank, using his huge muscles, breaks the chains with ease.
"Thank you, thank you, thank you!" The CR Lawyer says. He then reaches into his pocket and hands SJ and Frank some papers.
"What's this?"
"Oh, that one," the CR Lawyer says, pointing to one paper in particular, "Is a subpoena. Apperently, you've killed a few smurfs. They're gonna sue you. And those other papers? That's from me. If you do remember, you killed me a few days ago. I'm also suing you."
SJ and Frank look at each other. Then they turn back to the Lawyer, with murder in their eyes....
....but suddenly, out of nowhere, the wall opens and PINHEAD and a few Cenobites step out (I know, I know, Halloween was almost a week ago, but I wanted to work these guys in). They turn to the CR Lawyer.
"We have such sights to show you...." Pinhead says evilly. Hooks suddenly fly out the hole in the wall, ripping into the CR Lawyer's flesh. He's slowly dragged into the hole, screaming, with the Cenobites following. The hole closes in on itself...
SJ blinks. "Well, you don't see that everyday....come to think, you NEVER see that! What do make of it, Frankie?"
Frank turned to SJ. <Dragons.>
"What?"
<Dragons. Dragons dragons dragons dragons dragons....>
"Oh great, now he's doing it! SOMEBODY FIND A CURE, QUICK!"
**Fade to black**
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:02:13 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net
**Mandi comes in, bouncing happily.**
No classes tomorrow! Yes! Yes!
**Suddenly, a little green creature with a top hat and tails who looks oddly familiar appears on her shoulder.**
["That's because you have to go to three advising appointments, Mandi! Don't forget!"]
Oh, I don't believe this. Who paid to have Jiminy Cricket sicced on me?? I know Puck sent him after Demona, but I haven't ticked her off suitably enough to merit this! ["Well, you need a good conscience."] I have a conscience! The difference here is that I could occasionally suppress it so I could sleep at night! Anyway, back to topic.
Todd: Oh, good. No hurry; I was just wondering. About seven people this week have claimed that they never got e-mail that I know I sent them.
Cyrway: Yeah, I sent it to the gcolor.com address. Hmmm....
maybe I should try my school e-mail account (since I got brave and finally accessed it last night).
["And if you'd done it when the semester started, you wouldn't have had to clean out 186 pieces of junk mail!"]
Will you shut up? **tries to flick at Jiminy, but he "phases out" as she does so** I really dislike that trick.
Zath: Dracona Dragilin was writing the "Creatures of the Night" fics with Willow and Brooklyn; is that who you were referring to?
**She suddenly whips a hand around and grabs Jiminy, who is too surprised to use his little phase-out trick, and drops him into a cricket cage that appeared out of thin air.**
Gotcha! Now what do I do with him? **brightens** Hey, Doug, Kitania, think Asil would need a new little buddy?
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 06:46:19 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40
Here's a different pic...
Mandi> No, I didn't...did you send it to amy@gcolor.com? My blkblade@mailexcite.com is gonzo...
Only a few more pages...only a few more pages...*trys REAL hard to finish Anarchists...*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 06:37:07 PM
IP: gcolor.com
Happy Guy Fawkes Day, everybody! (That's the anniversary of Guy Fawkes' failure to blow up the Houses of Parliament on November 5, 1605, just as James I and Parliament were meeting. There's a bit of a Gargoyles-connection here, since James I was King of England when Shakespeare wrote "Macbeth" and a descendant of Duncan and Canmore - which explains the anti-Macbeth slant of that play).
KITAINA - Thanks for the correction. As for the name of Emrys's school, there's no connection to Cocytus in the name. It's just "Mons Carbi Comprehensive", and the "Comprehensive" doesn't really count; that's just a term for some high schools in the UK. Just focus on "Mons Carbi". Hint: Anybody here familiar with classic British science fiction TV?
MANDI - I got your e-mail, and I'll send you a reply when I can.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 5, 1998 06:27:36 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-74.primary.net
**Zath walks in and hands a folded piece of paper to the CR Lawyer.
Zath: "Read it."
Lawyer: "Why?"
Zath: "Just read it... out loud."
Lawyer: "Fine." *he unfolds the paper and reads it* "'Monkey.' I don't see what this has to do with anything. What are you going to do, sue me for slander? You told me to say it so you can't-"
Just then a very large orangutan knuckles into the CR, smashes the lawyer's skull with one blow, and then leaves. Zath pulls out the infamous sharp stick (still stained with blue weresmurf blood) and pokes the lawyer to make sure he's really dead.**
Okay, I'm not sure if the Librarian actually does that anywhere other than in the videogame, but I thought it would be funny.
Garg/Buffy X-over> I saw one in the archives a while ago, but I can't remember who wrote it. It was in several parts and Brooklyn met Willow over the internet and she wanted to meet in person. Brooklyn was going to stand her up so she wouldn't know he was a gargoyle, but he ended up saving her from a vampire. Willow mistook him for a demon and passed out. I'm not sure if any parts after that were put in the archive or not.
Smurfs> At one point in the fantasy novel I am currently reading, the main characters ran into a village of smurfs. (The book called them gnomes, but probably just to avoid a lawsuit. The way they were described made them sound just like smurfs: 6 inches high, funny white hats, living in big mushrooms, one older one in charge, etc.) The main characters of this particular book happen to be villans so they stomped on a couple of the houses and then cut down a big tree, dropping it on the villiage>: )
Wilek> The thing about pining for the fjords originally came from Monty Python's dead parrot sketch. Hmmm... I wonder if I can find it as a wav. file anywhere, because it would make a nice addition to my collection.
**Zath reapplies the whipped cream to the mouths of the gators in the moat and then leaves.**
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 06:14:14 PM
IP: ns2-12.viptx.net
Deuce > Lucky you. I have this dream that one day I'll be an actress so I can meet him. And I know he goes conventions but my parents wouldn't let me go because they don't want to pay the price.
That is my dream , to meet John De Lancie.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 05:35:30 PM
IP: 201-167-161.ipt.aol.com
Just wanted to let ya'll know that I'm still alive! I'll have to come back and finish reading all of this week's posts later. See ya'll around! :)
Ravyn
Thursday, November 5, 1998 05:28:30 PM
IP: 207.204.224.23
Oops, I forgot something.
Cyrway--Did you get my e-mail about "Ambient Anarchists?" Just asking, a lot of people haven't been getting the e-mail I've sent.
Todd--Did you get my e-mail about episode outlines yet?
Yes, I'm shutting up now. For real. I swear.
Mandi
Thursday, November 5, 1998 05:22:01 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40
Just a quick thing...
HEATHER> I've met John de Lancie. He was quite nice, signed a book for me. Not that I'm gloating.... *wink*
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Thursday, November 5, 1998 05:21:24 PM
IP: ppp0080.connect.ab.ca
Batya--LOL!! I can just see that! Spike wouldn't react *quite* as well as Dru...*snerk*
Taleweaver--I'm the one who brought up the prospect of a BtVS/Gargs (actually, it was BtVS/Pendragon) crossover. As for the locations: a friend of mine did a Buffy/Tomorrow People crossover and managed to get an excuse for all of them to be in London that seemed plausible enough. I'm just working on a short fic about Buffy and co. lost in London, Xander refusing to ask for directions, and Willow asking the weirdest people she could pick at the worst time how to get back to the hotel. Guess who? :) No, I won't tell, it's not done yet.
I'm hungry. Time to check if there's anything edible in the dining hall. Later!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 05:02:34 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40
Fire Storm > You used my favorite Star Trek character ?! * eyes glow red * He's mine !
Sorry. But I have this....* blushes * I can't say crush but , I have this thing about Q or John De Lancie. Even though John is 50 years old. He doesn't look it ! He's cute !
I just wish I can meet him , someday. * sighs and frowns * But I'll never will. Why would a famous tv star want to meet a 14 year old teen ?
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 05:00:23 PM
IP: 201-162-35.ipt.aol.com
Why and O why can I never remember everything I want to post the first time...?
Buffy-Gargs crossover? I'm not sure the two universes are compatible. Unless you mean for a brief, comic interaction between the various players.... I mind me of some thoughts I've had (with friends) about introducing the cast of BtVS to the cast of Animaniacs. By far the strangest exchange was the following -- imagine it with the accents:
Druzilla, in vague mode: "Beau'iful thoughts are floating through my head. Only they're floating too fast for me to see them."
Wakko, staring dreamily at Dru: "I'm not wearing any pants."
Dru giggles, and says over her shoulder: "I like the little one in the red cap, Spike. He makes my teeth laugh."
(...Oy, do I have problems!)
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Thursday, November 5, 1998 02:11:38 PM
IP: 3.new-york-40-45rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
I'm personally looking forward to "Prince Of Egypt" this winter -- despite being ticked at Dreamworks to the point where I'm not going to see ANTZ in the theatre, just out of spite. From the previews I've seen, I'm _very_ optimistic, both in terms of animation quality and in terms of story quality. I'll be interested to see how closely they stick to the Original and where they take liberties. (And maybe the networks will finally have something other than that Charlton Heston travesty to show every spring!!)
Terry Pratchett: Yes, LORDS AND LADIES is one of the great ones. [SPOILERS!] Oddly enough, my favorite scene from that one has got to be the Stick And Bucket Dance.... And I'm sure everyone who read it caught the Tam Lin and Midsummer Night's Dream allusions, but how many of you caught the glancing references to Yeats's "The Song Of Wandering Aengus" and Keats's "La Belle Dame Sans Merci"? [END SPOILERS.]
Traveler> In the immortal words of Opus the Penguin: "Thththppptht." *evil grin*
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Thursday, November 5, 1998 02:06:31 PM
IP: 3.new-york-40-45rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
ALT+Q-- What this little trick was designed to do was to take ou to the Current Episode page. Yeah, I know, you can do that with the mouse, but I wanted to see if it would work anyways. And seeing as how it only seems to work on MSIE 4.0, I'm not implementing this HTML trick.
WILEK-- I haven't seen the commercial for Elizabeth, but I'm gonna guess the song you're looking for is Lorenna McKennit- The Mummer's Dance. I'll send Illegal out for it ASAP.
THE DOG NAMED ILLEGAL-- Well... why not :P After all, I send him out for MP3s, ROMs, Warez, etc. Considering what he's trained to do, Illegal seemed perfect for his line of work :P
A BUG'S LIFE-- Saw the movie last night at a spacial advanced screening. In fact, we were the first audience to see the film.
***A BUG'S LIFE SPOILERS AHEAD***
If anyone were to ask me what were the best animated movies to see this holiday season, I would say (in no particular order) Antz, The Prince Of Egypt, and A Bug's Life. I came inside expecting something below the level of Antz (which I rate very highly) and came out with a movie at the same level (which I consider almost perfection). The computer animation, as usual, was amazing. At times, you can't tell if you're looking at animation or a real life picture. The voice actors were terrific and so were the characterizations. Even the male ladybug joke, which I thought was going to be too drawn out, was done nicely and tactfully. While the drawings themselves were cartoony (more cute and cuddly compared to Antz and these ants have only 4 appendages), they were done brilliantly. I was especially impressed by the use of a water telescope and the lifelike movements and look of the bird, which moved swiftly as it darted it's head to and fro. And the sound here was done expertly, even though it was at a deafening volume done like Armageddon and Godzilla (key word: LOUD!) The motorcycle like sounds of the grasshoppers as they beat their wings and the sounds of the other insects and the storm scene near the end and the bird screeches are a testament to that volume level. If there was only one flaw to the film, it's a small one and a problem no animator seems to have gotten around to yet. Near the end of the film, the blaze of the fire doesn't seem realistic. But like I said, no one has been able to do realistic fire yet so this isn't a big deal.
Overall, a must see film. And stay for the credits. By farm the credits were darn funny.
***A BUG'S LIFE SPOILERS END HERE***
More site tricks and requests to come.
Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 01:37:00 PM
IP: dhcp72.oac-commons.ucla.edu
**Rev. Attlia walks into the CR meowing to everyone, and then he starts meowing at Kitainia, asking her to noozle him. Then, a wall in the CR explodes as Jesse "the body" Ventura crashes through. He sees the CR Lawyer and and starts showing him a few wrestling moves ala Celebrity Death Match. Kenny is thrown into walls five times until he is barely concious. Then, Jesse rips Kenny's leg off and starts beating the lawyer with it. After about ten minutes of this beating, the lawyer has no arms or legs and hi shead has been ripped off. Talk about a violent death :) Jesse next high-fives Coyote the Bando and says, "First, we must kill all the lawyers. Now, it's time for me to take down Paul "The Whiner" Wellstone." Jesse walks through the door this time as he leaves the CR**
I thought everyone would enjoy this. My little slaveboy Green Baron asked me to pull this one off.
Kitainia> I am Thomas's master. All cats control their humans. It was Socks that got President Clinton to sign the Welfare Reform legislation after all :)
**The CR lawyer is slowly and painfully reforming. As soon as the CR lawyer is whole again and still in great pain. Rev. Attila takes a cross with a very sharp tip and stabs the CR lawyer about 500 times before he innocently meows and walks off**
Rev. Attila Forsyth - [baron1314@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Thursday, November 5, 1998 01:22:09 PM
IP: 141.164.133.111
** The CR screen lights up. Kitainia and the other Ravens, along with Agent Hacker and the Mafia people, are exploring the maze of corridors and offices in the complex adjoining the gang-controlled "Vibes and Octanes" club.**
Haven't found any more gang members yet, bet we will soon. They seem to have quickly cleared out their files from this area, as well as their personnel. Looks like the Bennatruce immediate family, the oyabun and ishis of the Sumata Yakuza clan, and the Russians have all fled. Hopefully in our exploration we can find some clue as to where they've gone.
Todd: I found a mistake in your latest posted entry to the Guide to the Gargoyles Universe. "Salli" was the name Elisa used when she infiltrated Tomas Brod's gang, not Tony Dracon's. You probably should get that fixed. Also, I questioned my English professor about Mons Carbi Coctum. He didn't know what it meant, but "Mons" refers to mountain. I assume Carbi has something to do with carbon, though I don't know what either word means. Coctum might be related to Cocytus, a layer of Tarterus in Greek myths. Am I on the right track?
**Gubio opens a door and finds a large room full of computers. He smiles and walks over to turn one on and begin hacking as the other Ravens stand guard. Hacker and the Mafia people head on down the hallway, still looking for clues.**
Small error in my earlier report of the Ravens' membership. I forgot Gubio's cat Mist, who is also one of us. Due to a small accident with a spell Lathrop taught Elena, her latent intelligence was awakened and she is now a fully sentient feline. Due to a spell Lathrop then cast on her from his Grimorum, she can now also transform herself into a feline humanoid and fight alongside us with her sharp claws, shedding fur, and hyper-charged Gatling gun. Everyone, this is Mist's new look. **The large gray feline humanoid mutant standing over Gubio smiles a fangy grin. Mist has the aforementioned gun slung over her shoulder along with a backpack full of ammunition and other gear. She is dressed in a green tunic similar to that worn by Maggie the Cat.** She can shift back to ordinary cat form, of course, but she does it rarely. I think she prefers the new look. Of course she is still in terms of personality all cat.
Yes, the show was the very interesting and well-charecterized but unfortunately short-lived (partly because they revealed too much of the story too fast) "Deadly Games." Coyote wins the cyber-cookie factory for getting it right first. Thanks for trying anyway, JEB. **Keith looks at her aghast. "You're giving up the cyber-cookie factory? Why?" "All the equipment in there is out of date by thirty years, Keith, and we're about to lose our lease," Stephanie reminds him. "Good thing they don't know." "Uh, Stephanie," the Ravens' ninja sighs. "I think they know now." "C$#p!"** Well, regardless of what my sister just revealed, Coyote, enjoy your prize. :)
Taleweaver: That was me who mentioned Buffy/Gargs. Your crossover for Buffy/Highlander sounds interesting, mind sending me a copy when you get done? Your opinion is about the same as mine on character vs. event.
Since nobody was able to answer this question the first time, I shall ask it again. Does anybody know if some fanfic writer out there has done a Gargoyles crossover with Buffy,TVS?
Traveler: I don't know, I never asked him if he knew anyone in the government. Soon as we're finished up here, I will.
Merlin Missy: You wrote the next TGS ep? I cannot wait! To read it! :)
That's all for now.
**Gubio suddenly curses loudly as the computer finishes booting up. On screen is a note from his evil hacker arch-nemesis, an immature spreader of viruses and bad code known only as Tyl36009. It says, "Ha ha. You are too late. This computer holds nothing but this note for you to look at, scrupulous fool. In the future, Gubie, you will find my special brands of original security programs guarding Lord Thailog's systems. Never again shall you break in. Muhaha." Gubio growls under his breath, then sighs and shrugs. "At least now I know what to expect from Thailog's computers for the future. The unexpected. Great, just great. Fine and dandy. Nothing here, guys. Let's go check out the rest of the place." The others nod and leave the room, following Hacker and the good Mafia folk as the screen goes blank.**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 01:03:20 PM
IP: fac-b-d5.lib.utexas.edu
I come in late in the week and half a dozen topics come and go. Darn. Someone mentioned a Buffy/Gargoyles crossover. I haven't thought about that, but I did kick around an idea once of a Buffy/Highlander crossover, "A Choosers Taste" This was way back when there were those Taster's choice commercials about this couple. And wouldn't you know it, the actors are Giles from Buffy and Tessa from Highlander. But I can only write so fast. I've got a backlog of 1500 story ideas that need writing. I really need to contract this stuff out.
Character vs. Event> I must side with event. Normally I think it's a balance, but characters have a way of popping off the pages. I know mine do. And I have to push event to compensate. Though sometimes they can be pretty stubborn. But with gargoyles specifically, I always felt it was an adventure as the cake and character as icing. Depth of character is *the* reason it stands head and shoulders above other cartoons, but the adventure of the event is what draws you in. That's my opinon.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 12:23:31 PM
IP: 134.71.30.89
*Merlin rides into the room atop a large chest with hundreds of little legs. The Luggage stops, and Merlin hops off. She digs inside the chest and pulls out a still-smoking scroll.*
"Regarding the Terry Pratchett discussion, I swear the man has watched Gargs. Why? In "Men at Arms," one of the gargoyles is named Cornice-Overlooking-Broadway. On a related note, click on my name to see the first Gargs-Pratchett crossover, "Ook," by Andrew Weitzman. On a mostly-irrelevant note, my favorite book has to be "Lords and Ladies," with "Reaper Man" a close second."
"Regarding my upcoming 'fics, wait. :)"
"Regarding character vs event, I have to say I'm in far more favor of the former in my own work (says she whose stories rarely if ever have an actual plot) but I'm in agreement with those who say there should be a balance. I'm extremely curious to see what y'all will make of next week's ep."
*Merlin grins evilly. Meanwhile, the Luggage walks over to the CR Lawyer and sniffs him. The Lawyer, terror on his face, runs out of the room, pursued by the Luggage. Moments later, there is a high-pitched scream cut off in a kind of burbling sound, then silence. The Luggage comes back into the room, tongue lolling out. Merlin rolls her eyes, hops back on board, and rides out into the darkness.*
Merlin Missy - [mrwilson@umr.edu]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 11:44:34 AM
IP: speedo.physics.umr.edu
*looks down at her previous posts.* Lords of Lard? That should be Law...heh...
Cyrway
Thursday, November 5, 1998 11:16:09 AM
IP: gcolor.com
GECKO: AAAAIIIIIEEEE!!! IT'S THE BEAK!!! *runs for cover.*
Traveler> On the topic of Whitless...of course...and there's already a PKI2K: The next generation, consisting of Luc, Kat, Joshua Lawerence (for the fact that I IRL have no kids), Dusty and Jay. (Gecko's kids...scary) who wreak more havoc than PKI...nope, though Brooklyn and Gecko and actually Eddie are in these, it's not considered PKI, rather, the plot somehow revolves around Cal and Wagner getting plastered. I'll talk to Stormy to see if I can post a ficbit in Garg chat...heh heh...and yes, the Teletubbies actually die in one of the skits...moshed to death...'nuff said.
Ah, the hell with it...I haven't said it in a long time...
"My Cosmic Song Goes On For Eternity!" So, :PPPPPP!
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 11:15:08 AM
IP: gcolor.com
Heh...so there is something in common with me and the Pheonix Gate...
Traveler: PTTTTTTFFF! Or, if you really want a brain fry, read my old Turtle fics...then again, you can't. They're all in dead tree edition. Anyway, I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or a complaint...I READ WAAAAAAAAAY TOO MUCH MICHAEL MOORCOCK!!! AAARRRGGGHHH!!! Twenty-five novels, over a hundred graphic novels, three CDs, plus all the ones he was with Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult...it tends to warp your mind...
*Brooklyn strides out, looks at Cyrway, and raises an eyeridge.*
Todd> Very carefully...and it has to be tastefully done...no hacking or slicing, just the will of the Lords of Lard, the Dukes of Chaos, and the Grey Lords. And whatever you do, do not read "With No Mouth, it Is Difficult to Scream" first...I heard there were a couple of epedemics of total brain shutdown on that one...
Coyote> Neither can I....then I can work on the history of the Daikatana...
Valete, mea amicos!
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 11:06:47 AM
IP: gcolor.com
** Deuce is frantically flipping through a TV Guide **
Family Channel, Family Channel... ah, HERE! Now, I'm on Mountain time, so that's 11:30, channel thirty-two, and--
*18 seconds -- exactly -- of silence*
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! (Guess the reference)
I guess Fam. Channel isn't equated with Disney Channel up here. Wah. But if they're only showing TGC, I'll live. :-)
CR LAWYER> Psst! Over here!
*Lawyer walks over, warily* <"I'm busy with the trial, what do you want?">
*Deuce grins, and pulls out a metal can and a bubble wand* I wanted to show you my new bubble mixture.
<"Hey! Do you have a patent for that? How about a copyright? Is it environmentally friendly? Is the can recyled?">
*Deuce dips the wand into the can, and blows a huge bubble. It envelops the lawyers head, and he suffocates. Deuce grins.* Take that!
** Runs out, cursing "Family, Disney, who cares? It's all a bunch of tree-hugging...." **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Thursday, November 5, 1998 10:17:46 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net
NICODEMUS - Nope, sorry. Wrong answer. You'll have to try harder to guess the significance of "William Nicholson". (Here's a hint: both names are significant).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 5, 1998 07:38:51 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-169.primary.net
*delurks*
Doug> Is it Deadly Games? I remember that interesting little show. :)
*relurks*
JEB
Thursday, November 5, 1998 06:26:36 AM
IP: 175-222-203.ipt.aol.com
Hi all,
Terry Pratchett fans> Knew there must be a few hanging around the fandom. Several references were spotted in Dark Ages if I remember. Your best bet for getting his earlier books is getting them imported from the UK (amazon.co.uk has ALL of his books and the graphic novel editions, maps etc..)
One advantage of living here - less Gargoyles stuff but more TP (Hopefully I'll be going to get his new book 'Carpe Jugulum' signed on the 12th as he's on tour).
Also with the UK editions, you get Josh Kirby's artwork on the cover instead of the, frankly horrible US covers.
Check out:
ftp://ftp.us.lspace.org/pub/people/pratchett/images/bookcovers/
for images of the UK covers, and:
http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/usrpages/Nathan/Discworld/pratchett.htm
for general info.
Fleur> Lords and Ladies is my favourite - by a small margin over Men at arms, Feet of Clay, Reaper Man, Witches Abroad... (would go on to list most of them).
Everyone who hasn't read one of his books should seek them out at the earliest opportunity. There are even a few gargoyles - although they are 'living' stone statues in DW.
MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKThursday, November 5, 1998 04:24:25 AM
IP: 195.195.164.140
Here's my opinion on the Character/Event debate.
So far, I think that TGS has done a pretty good job balancing the two. Aside from a few episodes (and the early Pendragon flashback eps) there has been some of each in all of the episodes. My theory on this is that the events serve to advance the characters, and as long as the characters are not getting stagnent, then the balance works.
I know that when I write, I know where I want the characters to go, and write events to take them there. However, I think that writing in the opposite direction works just as well for other people. Of course this is my opinion, and if you find me insane, your probably right. ;-)
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 03:29:22 AM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu
**Scene: The battle with the War Robots has just ended in the upper floors of the Marsh Building.* Traveler *Bends ofer to pick up the mini-gun and flame-thrower*: Well we can't leave these just lying around. *puts the mini-gun back in his coat where it seems to dissappear* To answer your question Fleur *Traveler's face-plate twists into a sheepish looking face as he refills her flame-thrower with a hose that has inexplicabily appeared from the inside of his duster and leads back into it* I've been sorrta collecting 'things' from 'here and there' for quite some time now, and well, I needed somewhere to put them all. So I created a pocket universe inside the lining of my coat. I keep most of my 'small' arms in there, along with any other odds and ends I can fit through the coats opening. With larger objects I have to create a portal the needed size. *Traveler finishes refilling Fleur's flame-thrower and hands
it back to her.* BTW Fleur, you wouldn't happen to know where the computer core is? Would you? *Then the Giant Barney Clones appear in the hallway.* Traverer *muttering to himself*: Oh great, first the smurfs, and then the teletubbies, and now this. *he then reaches back into his coat and pulls out his own flame thrower.* Traveler *shouting*: Hey! Over here you Children's Televison Workshop rejects! Open wide and say hello to Mr. Crispy! AH! HA! HA! HA! *The screen fades out on Travelers manical laughter and the smell of lit napalm starting to burn flesh.*
*a vortex opens in the CR and Traveler steps out followed by his new pet alligator CC* Hello all! *squeak squeak* CC says hi too. *CC then spots a stray smurf and takes off after it* Go get 'em CC! Now on to the replies.
>Kitainia- *Traveler walks over to the coffee table of forever fresh baked goods and sets down a tray of cookies* You are correct, that was from the Princess Bride. Sorry about bringing back SM. (Although he most likely isn't>:) It won't happen again. But I'm still maintaining that SM knows somthing about the Bills; or he at least knows someone who knows something>:) He wouldn't by any chance, have a brother or cousin who works for the government, does he? *Random skewed thought* Wait...one...minute...Wilek, tell Mirium not to vanish after this is all over. I want to have a word or two with her.>:( Oh, and Kitainia, thanks for clearing the demolition of the local Marsh Inds. building>:)
>MrNoying- I win! I won! Where's my prize? And yes, they were wicked. The cenobites DO specialise in pain and suffering after all. *hehehe*
>Zath- You also answered corectly so you get your own tray of cookies on the tea table.
Coyote the Bando- Ahhh...I see. But what will happen if/when she loses Sampson to death/broken spell? Would she just go 'bonkers' type crazy and start making very rash and poor command decisions? Something else I'm curious about, what do the vessels in the Rokkan fleet: look like/how large are they/how fast/well armed/armored/etc...? Do you have any pics ITP or planned of them? Also, 435 characters!? Here's some advice, you go start buying Advil, I'll go by stock in the company>:) One last thing, Wilek Nereus said: <Coyote- An interesting thing you could do for Rosanna's cyber skull: Make it out of black metal, like a microdiffracted carbon alloy or something> I happen to agree. Black in Black, oh yea.>:)
>DumaloX- Thanks for that small morsel of info.:) Also I tried that Alt+q thing. I'm using Netscape 4.5 beta2; nothing happened.
>Batya "The Toon" Levin- In the immoral...oops, I mean immortal words of a mosue with grandiose dreams: "Stop that or I shall have to hurt you." "Toon", your starting to get as bad at teasing us as other TGS Staff members who shall remqain nameless. Don't look away like that! You know who you are.>:)
>Luach- No! *throws up arms to the sky and drops to his knees* Please merciful God in the heavens no! Not the accurced Teletubbies!!!!
*Reads Luach's second post*
>Luach- Wait a minute, you actually managed to recruit Whitless into this to? This is starting to sound like PK Inc.: The Next Generation. Is Gecko going to make any guest apperences? And you mean to tell me that Mercedes is almost finished with the (very) long awaited AMOR Part1! *Thinks for a second* Hmmm...doesn't that mean one of the seven seals has been broken? Oh well, now all we have to do is have her find the time and energy to start on Part 2>:)
>Cyrway- <Timedancer, Eternal Champion...what's the difference? The Eternal Champion doesn't have the Pheonix gate dragging his arse all over time and creation...> No the Eternal Champion has YOU (In one form/way/ direct or indirect) dragging his arse all over time, creation, AND your multiverse, if my memory serves correct. *hehehe*
>Todd Jensen- I guess your one of the 'unenlightened' to the twisted world of Cyrway.>:) Lemme put it this way: When the archive comes back up, read all of her stuff IN ORDER, or it will make even less sense the first time around. Then read it a few more times, at about the fourth run through (it might take longer to catch all of the references to popular (and unpopular) cutlture and the other stories), you should either have a mental break down, or all will start to become clear.>:) (Talk about foreshadowing (and backshadowing if that's even possible) and tieing everything together, Jeez) So when you finish you will walk away knowing how it's possible to kill the same character again and again and again, without the use of clones or immortality links/spells>:) But then again, that's only if your brain isn't fried.>:)
****Event vs. Character driven debate****
I think Fleur hit the head on the nail right on with her take on the whole situation, so I'll leave it at that. But the important thing to remember is that who really cares as long as the story(s) is/are well written and fun to read?
****End of Event vs. Character driven stories debate comment****
>Fleur- <Just don't do what I did and read one on public transport. Bursting into sudden, uncontrollable laughter makes the other passengers uncomfortable. :)> But if your sense of humor is twisted enough you do things like that and more just for fun!>:)
Oh...and just one more thing:
Dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, still yet incredibaly against all odds even MORE dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, and the DRAGON KING!!! AH HA! HA! HA! My plauge lives on! And there is NO CURE besides the one which I've already stated!!!!
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 03:26:02 AM
IP: 207-250-175.ipt.aol.com
Hi....I was wondering if anyone had read any novels of the Ancient Future Trilogy by Traci Harding?
Clef
Thursday, November 5, 1998 03:00:23 AM
IP: 203.24.127.23
*The TV set turns itself on. Fleur is filling various War Machines with hot lead, Traveller is wildly slicing and dicing, and Clan Austin are doing some serious smashing. Sudddenly, the 8 barrelled mini-gun runs out of bullets. Fleur shrugs, hurls it at a war machine, then unsheaths her huge curved blade and leaps back into the fray. Because there are certain conventions that cannot be ignored, light glints off the metal, even though the halls are almost completely dark. After a few more minutes, the battle is over and Fleur returns her attention to the CR*
Yes, if you can't already tell, I am also a _huge_ Terry Pratchett fan, and I agree with Batya. If you haven't read a discworld book DO SO NOW! I recomend Lord and Ladies, which is a whole new perspective on a certain old play about elves. Just don't do what I did and read one on public transport. Bursting into sudden, uncontrollable laughter makes the other passengers uncomfortable. :)
My two cents of the Event Vs Character-driven stories debate:
Analogy Alert!
Water is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen, right? Two hydrogen atoms and an Oxygen atom get together and Boom! water. (especially if you're using a home science kit - bye bye eyebrows) A good story is a lot like that. It needs to be both Character and Event-driven. Character development is more important, otherwise they get stale, and you stop caring about them, but an event is the catalyst for any change. How each character reacts to an event, and how they develop as a result is what makes a story interesting. The oxygen atoms holds the two hydrogen atoms in place, just like the event lies between the character at the begining, and how they are at the end of the story.
Okay, now that's out of the way, I saw Lion King 2 last night. (It comes out later in Australia :() For those who haven't seen it, SPOILER ALERT.
It was a good movie, but I think Mickey Mouse should be arrested for Blatant Over-use of Heart Shaped Objects in that Upendi song. *shudder*
*the CR lawyer pulls himself up from whatever pile of broken body parts or bloody puddle that he currently is and smiling happily, starts running towards the CR door, already writing up writs (I think that's what they're called). However, he gets too close to the TV set and it fries him*
Wow, guess the anti-smurf thing works on people who work for them as well. >:)
Dragons Dragons dragons dragons dragons dragons...No! Now I'm infected! For the love of gargoyles, somebody invent a cure, PLEASE!
TTFN!
*Fleur turns back to the piles of twisted metal that line the smoke filled hallway and picks up the mini-gun and the flamethrower that Traveller gave her. 'Do I even _want_ to know where you got these from?' she asks. At that moment, five doors lining the hall open simultaneously, and from each one emerges a monster more hideous than any they have seen before: Giant Barney Clones. ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
The TV set flickers out.
To be continued....*
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 01:28:02 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au
Feiger WAV: Click my link THIS time. I got it right now!
Coyote: Wellsur... What do you WANT in a computer and what are you willing to pay? Currently, I am making a p2-350, 128mb, 8 or so gig, yadda, yadda, 32x, CD-R for about a thou.
Coyote Robot as the Black Knight from Monty Python: Read my fan-fic! :)
FINALLY saw a episode of Gargoyles on the disney channel!
<>Kinda of a Merlin Missy question and spoiler all in one!<>
Merlin Missy: Liked you story! (I want to read more about Hyena and her kid!
<>End Spoiler<>
Christine: You were right. Your new story WAS really good!
Kitania: It already happened for me also. Time Travel. Gotta love it, Gotta hate it.
<A bright flash appears next to Fire Storm.
"Hi Q. Spying on me again, I see?" Fire Storm says with a wicked smile.
"On the contrary, my good man. I am just here to laugh at how pathetic these humans are. I mean, they are so three dimentional, arn't they?"
"I agree. No sence of time. Well, give my regards to Q, Q, and Q for me, ok Q?"
"Ahh... Spoken like a true Q. Gladly."
Q then puts up two fingers and disappears in a flash of light>
<Fire Storm hands a Suponea to the CR lawyer.>
That is for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, namely Mr. Noyings RL counterpart.
Getting a Alter Ego drunk is just the same as getting the real person drunk. :P
DumlaoX: Ok. I just hope there on my Laptop or on a CD somewhere. I know there on my desktop, but thats not quite working... Ok, ok.. it ain't working at ALL!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 01:25:41 AM
IP: dhcp183.visitus.net
Doug: The show was "Deadly Games." You know my tastes in cookies.
Must go ... have to sleep ... suffering from oxygen deprivation ... hee hee ...
**Coyote and the entire crew of the tank collapse from the nitrous oxide leak ... just as the tank rumbles to a stop next to Kitainia's radio beacon.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, November 5, 1998 01:18:52 AM
IP: modem29.i-is.com
** The screen lights up. The club is full of gangsters fighting the Ravens. So far, only Enrico, Ramon, and Agent Spender (never liked him anyway) are the only good guys who've gotten taken out. A whole lot of thugs and gang members have also perished, including the one in red leather who warned the rest. Doug is currently involved in a nightstick vs. sword duel with one of the Yakuza ninja guys. Kitainia is at his back, having just ripped to pieces her ex-boyfriend and mooching jerk Scott Smith. Kitainia's sister Stephanie (who scooped the guy up after he broke up with Kitainia, only to be also hurt by him when she found out what he was really like) lets out a cheer and then goes back to fighting the (Highlander-style) immortal chief ninja Kyori with her sword. Doug ducks out of the way as Jammer swings his long metal pole out and creams several gang members upside the head. The fight continues as Doug starts to make his post.**
It seems some of our old enemys Asil recruited are also in on this battle. So far, we've managed to take out Kitainia and Stephanie's ex-boyfriend Scott, my former college roommate J.T. McMillian (real jerk guy, who frequently drove me out of the dorm if I wanted to study with his loud music and rowdy friends. Whenever I returned, I usually found a drunk pal of his asleep in my bed. Urgh! Roommates like that are one reason I no longer stay in a dorm. Oh well, he got his when he brought a girl back to the room and they did their business while I tried to sleep. The next day, his girlfriend broke up with him because I revealed the cheating and then the RA made him switch rooms.), his three main drinking buddies, and his b&^%h gal-pal Kathleen (that's who he brought back to the dorm). The battle continues.
Cyber-Cookie Awards: The other inspiration for my character Laura I mentioned last week was the heroine of Dr. Zhivago. Guess nobody cared about that one. <shrug> For a new contest, I will give an entire cyber-cookie factory to whoever can name the UPN show that helped inspire us Ravens taking out all our old enemies in this saga of RP. (Hint, it starred Cynthia Gibb and Christopher Lloyd, and is now unfortunately off the air.)
Long postings: Sorry. That's what happens when someone has a lot to say. **Stephanie beheads Kyori, creating a lightning storm that engulfs the rest of the combatants. The good guys are all fortunately wearing special clothing that insulates them against such an eventuality. So they are not hurt. The surviving bad members scream and all flee, as the storm continues to rage. Doug has to scream loudly to finish his post.** And a lot to do!
Everyone who's killed the lawyer: Nice job. Keep up the good work, and don't be surprised when the suit comes. If you want, I can loan you my lawyers for the trial. They're all a little weird, but they are very good. **The storm dies down, and Doug goes back to a normal speaking level.**
Coyote: Got the descriptions. Those guys will fit. Work Kim and Jason in however you choose, I'd like to put Preston with the other evil camp-related bad guys if you don't mind. (They're also going to include Graham Johnson (who I've already mentioned in here), a little jerk named Stephen and his Evil Little Fat Folk (to quote a Stephen King term from his latest) pal Richard Penshorn, and a jerk ex-Marine counselor named Rob.) Does that sound like it'll work?
Also to Coyote: Be sure to let me and Kitainia somehow know who you'll be pairing our WCC contributions up with. Kitainia is particularly interested who else she will have to depend on for her team. :)
** The smoke clears, revealing Doug and the other good guys collecting themselves and getting back up from the shock of the storm.**
Incidental Characters: I like seeing them come back, personally. It adds real flavor to the show, seeing all these recurring roles. The briefest passerby, even if only seen for a second, can turn out to be quite an interesting person. That's another thing I like that Gargoyles did. I of course carry it on in my own fanfic saga with original characters such as Todd Henstridge, recurring Commandos like Sheppard and Weston, and Rachel Xanatos, all of whom started out as more or less background characters but have through the ongoing saga taken on a life of their own. (And I want to post their stories, Chris! Come on and get your site back up!) Sorry for the unannounced plugs.
Mary: If you need to vent your frustration, feel free to join and bring your enemies into our RP. **The good guys, now all fully recovered, get up and head towards the nearest door.** Looks like they escaped into the warehouse complex that adjoins this place. Let's go hunt them down!
Nicodemus: I too wonder if the Banshee will ever come back. I liked her character a lot.
That's all for now, see everyone next time.
** Doug throws open the door and heads into the warehouse complex, the others following him. Jammer brings up the rear, sighing to himself. "What's wrong?" Tricia asks him, wiping a spot of gore off her chain. "I can't believe I left the embrace of a beautiful woman for this merry chase," the Ravens' resident comedian replies. "Well, considering the beautiful woman in question came along," Tricia smiles in reply, "and she has no regrets about it, shall we get on with things?" "Yes!" Jammer nods, and they close the door behind them as the screen's image fades out.**
Just trying to bring a little more character dialogue and development into the saga, hope nobody minds. Later!
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, November 5, 1998 12:41:42 AM
IP: hil-qbu-pth-vty20.as.wcom.net
Wilek: Yep, that was Vinnie. I might tell how he came to live with Clan Ishimura one of these days ... suffice to say it wasn't pretty.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 11:56:38 PM
IP: modem29.i-is.com
[Quick reply.]
Coyote> <<did you find where Vinnie came in in mine?>> Isn't Vinnie in that one story where Rosanna or someone calls Brooklyn and Sata in Japan to ask their help with the invasion and Vinnie answers the phone (implying that he lives with them; you absolutely *must* reveal that backstory)?
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 11:49:42 PM
IP: tnt-1-104-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Oh, almost forgot, I'm panicking here!
I need everybody's help to locate a WCC contributor. I seem to have lost the message from Jen Fox (if that's the name she goes by) about her character. If anybody can help me get in contact with her, it would be *incredibly* helpful. If this will help: the character she submitted was Delasia Daycite. I'm assembling the sides and I can't find the literature for this character. Once again, if anyone can get me in contact with Ms. Fox, I would be *eternally* grateful!!
Coyote the Desperate Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 11:32:28 PM
IP: modem29.i-is.com
**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote, the Gearhead, Buick and Jason DeRosa still cruising in the tank, but it's going a bit slower now.**
Hey guys. Well, it was only a matter of time, but the tank's turbines gave out with all the nitrous we were pumping through them. The Gearhead hasn't been able to quit laughing since this afternoon when the tank started leaking. Anyway, we're estimating about 15 more miles to go before we reach Kitainia's beacon signal, so we'll be caught up with you guys shortly.
<"Hee hee ... hey, Coyote ... hee hee ... how will we know these people when we see them ... hee hee?">
It won't be too hard to pick them out. They're not exactly your average garden-variety fighters. Trust me. You'll know them when you see them, Jason.
<"Oh ... hee hee ... okay.">
Anyway, time to reply.
Gargs on Disney: Tonight's ep was "The Journey." 'Nuff said. (BTW, I don't know if it's just me or if everybody wound up doing this, but I couldn't help myself and started MSTing the ep. I'm sorry. **ducks as 130 rotten bananas are thrown at the screen.**)
Spike: My knickers are plenty un-knotted, thank you very much. ;)
DumlaoX: I just have to know ... what possessed you to name your dog Illegal?
Throwaway characters: As far as I'm concerned, there are certain characters that can be thrown away, such as anonymous characters. However, you know there's always a Vinnie in there somewhere (BTW, anyone who's read my fics: did you find where Vinnie came in in mine? True it's only in passing, but it's Vinnie, honest to God!!). Thus far, the only mysterious throwaway characters I personally have used are the last Quarrymen (other than the Canmores). There probably will be some more development on my end of the other Q-men (other than Sara Jasper).
Luach/Cyrway/Eddie/whoever: You should see some of the hardware Wilek's equipped Buick with! I think he's flown half the Imperial fleet! Looking forward to Friday, BTW.
Wilek: Hadn't thought of that. Now I've got to rethink again ... arrrgh ...
Oh, if anyone else needs any of those cards, I left a gross of them in a particular hidden place in the room. Hint: it's the only place in the room that's lawyer-proof. Should be easy to find for everybody else save the lawyer. (Additional hint: it's in a particular textbook on the bookshelf.)
Incidentally: the card I used in that particular lawyer death ("The First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All The Lawyers") is a *real* INWO card which gives a +20 bonus to any Attack to Destroy the Lawyers, but requires that you must say, "Of course, there are many good lawyers in the world today" when you play it.
And the character you're referring to is I.M. Weasel, supposed super-genius, who's always confronting his arch enemy, I.R. Baboon (the monkey-guy with the bright red butt).
***RP from here on in***
Uh oh ... hee hee hee ... I'm getting affected by the gas.
<"Whoo hoo, hahahahaha, hee hee hee, I can't help myself, hee hee hee hee ...">
Uh ... hee hee ... when we get there, Kitainia ... hee hee hee ... we need oxygen ... hee hee hee ... FAST!
**The tank starts swerving wildly, as the gas starts to affect Buick's (lack of) driving skills. Will they make it in time before Buick crashes the M1?**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 11:23:09 PM
IP: modem29.i-is.com
(Enter CR Lawyer)
I may indeed share a soul link with someone, though I am not sure who. I have had several encounters with the fae, and they all muttered nonsense even a lawyer cannot understand. Or it may just be something genetic in the name of Kenny. Even my vast lawyer resources can not find out.
It would certainley explain how I keep coming back, despite your many cruel deaths. Especially you Zath. That was a particularly nasty thing you did, but I will give you credit for creativity.
Now then, I have to go question Mr. Noying. True, the smurfs double crossed me and killed me, but they are still rated higher in my book than you savages. And I signed a contract agreeing to defend them. Anyone interested in joining Mr. Noying to defend your precious comment room may do so, but be warned. I'm a VERY good lawyer.
(Exit CR Lawyer, without any deaths to his person.)
CR Lawyer
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 11:07:49 PM
IP: spider-tn042.proxy.aol.com
Wilek the Elizabeth movie has been discussed on the H-costume new list but I didn't save the site URL.
If you do a search you might find a link to it sorry I'm not more help. (OH pretty costumes.)
Starsinger
Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty. Come to Auntie Starsinger. We have work to do my pretty.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 09:38:55 PM
IP: proxy-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net
Todd> I can think of where the 'Nicholson' part of Merlin's previous alias came from. In medieval times, the Devil was known by several nicknames, one of which was 'Old Nick' (I've known this one for years, BTW). Since Madoc is the TGS version of the Devil, 'Nicholson' could be interpreted as saying 'son of Nick' or 'son of the Devil'. I have no idea whether the 'William' part of Merlin's alias is significant or not.
Event vs. Character-driven stories> I'll put in a couple more cents here, and then shut up. In my view, a 'character-driven' story can have major events in them, while an 'event-driven' story can have lots of character development. The key difference between the two is that in a 'character-driven' story, any events occuring were set in motion by the characters themselves (in "City of Stone", the event of everyone turning to stone would never have happened if not for the actions of one of the characters). In an 'event-driven' story, the event occurs regardless of the characters (in the movie "Deep Impact", it wouldn't have mattered if the main characters had never existed; the meteor would still have been hurtling towards the Earth).
Another subject> Since I stirred the pot so nicely on event vs. character, here's another thought:
A lot of people have been wondering where Rory went to? Well, what about the other half of that equation, Molly/Banshee? I'm somewhat more curious as to what happened to her. The last that was seen of her was her walking away from Oberon's throne, looking rather shocked out of her wits as she pawed at the gag Oberon put on her mouth. It'll be interesting to see which side (if any) she takes in the Unseelie War. What do you think she'll do?
Nicodemus
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 09:29:36 PM
IP: 209-63-247-130.smf.jps.net
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, two Doom Commando cyber garg imps, the bikers, the five Dark Troopers, SJ, and Frankie are making their way through the tunnels.] I'm worried about TRC. For days, not a word...Most of the security down here consists of scuttlers. Thailog must be planning to use that stealth ship for something pretty important. [The team finds a huge door.] YES! This is the door to Area 51! Now, down with the cyberlock! [An imp delivers the key command to the door, unlocking it.] Let's move! [The team marches forward--and runs straight into a magical force field.] Oh snot. The computer didn't say anything about this. Anoth? [The Halfling closes his eyes and holds out his hand toward the field. It begins to flash.] This looks like it'll take a while.
Way off topic but there's bound to be someone in here who can help> Anyone seen the History Channel's commercial for that new movie Elizabeth? Anyone here know the name of that very haunting, beautiful song they play during the commercial? Anyone have an MP3 of it? Anyone at all? <hint hint>
Zath> That long elaborate CR Lawyer death is one of the more creative ones I've encountered. I think he's under the same immortality spell as Demona. I wonder who he's linked to. And T. Horror's new wardrobe is tres kewl! Hey, where's that "pining for the fjords" quote from? I first heard it in "Shadows Of The Empire". The quote: "A wampa bit my sister once. No, really. It was pining for the fjords. Actually wampas make good pets. If you find one, you can take it home and love it and pet it and give it cheese." Hey, the CR could use some wampas to supplement the gators...
CR Lawyer> Actually, the smurfs' coming to you to represent them was a prelude to betrayal. [The smurfs turn on the lawyer, all vomiting on him simultaneously. The acidity of the vomit dissolves him. The vomit instantly biodegrades, leaving only a thick lawyer slush, which the smurfs begin eating.] That's the most revolting thing I've ever seen. Those little boogers must die. [Kitty comes in and eats the smurfs and the lawyer slush. Then an alligator eats Kitty. But she's OK; she claws her way out of the alligator. But the gator will be OK too, as Theresa casts a healing spell on it.] No, *that* is the most revolting thing I've ever seen. I like those gators; did you have to do that, Kitty? [Kitty glares at Wilek's image on the screen, wishing he were here so she could use her claws to rip holes in his wingsails.]
Dragons dragons dragons dragons SOMEBODY HELP dragons US dragons WE'RE IN dragons THE EVIL dragons THROES OF dragons THE dragons DRAGON dragons VIRUS!!!!!!! dragons dragons dragons
Deuce> A comic book based on Shakespeare? Hmm.
Y'know, I just saw a really weird ep of Cow And Chicken. It was really weird because Micheal Dorn was in it. Yes, Micheal Dorn, Coldstone himself. And he was playing as a weasel. That's right, a weasel. A heroic weasel, but *still*...
MrNoying> How 'bout Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed as names for the gators? :) And great lawyer death with the high note.
Coyote> An interesting thing you could do for Rosanna's cyber skull: Make it out of black metal, like a microdiffracted carbon alloy or something. And great lawyer death with the card BTW.
Dumlao X> <checks the alt-q thing at the TGS site> It doesn't seem to work with MSIE 3.02. Uh, what was supposed to be the effect?
Mary> It's OK about the scream; we all get that way sometimes.
[The magic force field gives a final bright flash and dissipates, then the door opens.] YES!!! <high-fives the rest of the team> Area 51, here we come!!! [To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 09:25:42 PM
IP: tnt-1-104-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
(Jim just comes into the room casually, and pets the gators on the way in. Then he notices something is different...
"Hey, you're not foaming at the mouth any more!" He pauses, and then understands... "It was just cream wasn't it? Well, we can't have your image destroyed..." Jim pulls out a can of shaving cream, and reapplies the foam effect. Then he smells gas...
"You guys haven't been eating the lawyer again have you?")
To the people who mentioned Diskworld... I've played it before, but only for a short while, as I don't have the proper system. Ah well, Blazing Dragons is a good substitute... "Holy moley! It's a great big pile of *poink*... Bloody censors. That was my best line in the whole game!)
To the people traveling to SA in the RPG, Jim just cleared out plenty of rooms, there's more than enough space for the whole group...
Zath- Better outfit for Thailog Horror I think... Interesting CR Demon... And I doubt anyone will be able to top that CR Lawyer death for a while!
CR Lawyer- You're working with smurfs now? Well, I'll appear at the trial, to defend the comment room from your accusations! We haven't killed anybody! (Jim puts out his arms to express the emotion fully, and accidentally knocks a smurf into the gator pit, where the blue creature is quickly devoured.) Um, that doesn't count does it?
Todd- It's really easy to kill non-immortals over and over again. My fics do it quite a bit. The solution is simple. If you don't see the body, they ain't dead. And even if you do, that doesn't neccecarilly mean anything.
(Jim Noying prepares to leave the room, as the CR Lawyer appears.
"Mr. Noying, you're coming with me."
"Wha..."
"You agreed to testify in the comment room's defense, in that you have not repeatedly killed the smurfs and myself. The trial is now."
"But, I haven't had supper yet!"
"I'm a lawyer, I know all the loopholes. That is not one of them. You are coming with me." A frightened look comes over Jim's face. He hopes this doesn't take as long as the OJ trial..)
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 09:12:41 PM
IP: spider-ta073.proxy.aol.com
Oops! didn't mean to leave such a long scream! Sorry!
Mary
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 08:36:48 PM
IP: stk-ts2-h1-37-244.ispmodems.net
*creeps in*
Oywe!!! How does my head hurt so much? I do not like this thing that is which happening to my poor head!!!! (Slaps herself) Ouch. THANK GOD TODAY IS OVER!!!!!! I had three, no, four make-up tests to finish AND another test to do!!!! Word of advise> NEVER get sick at the end of the quarter!!!!!!!!!!!! And I haven't even had time to send my letter to my penpal in Germany!! Dangit!!!! All my teacher and just go to HECK!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(calms down) Ahhh...I feel better. I think a nap is in order for me. *creeps out living a very disturbed crowd in the CR*
Mary Flanders
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 08:35:16 PM
IP: stk-ts2-h1-37-244.ispmodems.net
CYRWAY - How are you able to kill Brooklyn multiple times? I thought that you could only kill somebody once - unless it happens to be Demona (by somebody other than Macbeth) or Macbeth (by somebody other than Demona). :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 07:08:05 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-55.primary.net
I'm the blond one...
Heh...(looks through new fic she's almost finished.) Now I know why I'm not a TGS Staff writer...I kill Brooklyn way too many times...*shrugs.*
Timedancer, Eternal Champion...what's the difference?
The Eternal Champion doesn't have the Pheonix gate dragging his arse all over time and creation...
Heh...I'll go back to working the fic now...Friday, everyone!!! That's my goal!!!
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 06:44:13 PM
IP: gcolor.com
ARIS - Thanks for your review of "Beginning Again". As for "Esplumeor" - *nobody* knows what that word means. It props up in some medieval French works about Merlin where it said that he went into one for retirement after Arthur's reign ended, but doesn't give a description of what it was. Arthurian scholars still can't agree on what an "esplumeor" is - so I couldn't resist, for a bit of fun, have Merlin himself uncertain as to what an "esplumeor" is.
Thanks for all the explanations on who Tim Hunter is. (Incidentally, does anybody besides me feel that "Hunter" would be a very dangerous surname to have in the Gargoyles Universe? :)
I'll repeat my offer again, only expanded: Who here can guess the significance of:
a) Merlin's school being named "Mons Carbi Comprehensive"?
b) Merlin having adopted a past alias (see the bank scene) of "William Nicholson"?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 06:29:37 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-55.primary.net
Oh, so you think you can destroy me with a word? Well, NYAH!
Coyote and Traveler> Re: Buick: Coyote's already got that mutt driving Artemis...I still gotta get that pic scanned...my comp's flipping out again...if Buick drives a '67 Goat with a manual transmission, I think he can drive anything...even I grind the gears on that baby... >:)
Luach - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 06:25:57 PM
IP: gcolor.com
**Zath enters munching on a big bowl full of cereal. Soon after, Kitty comes running in. The CR gators see her and cower in a corner, trembling with fear.**
Well, it's Wednesday and no one's even tried to answer the question I posed way back whenever, so I guess I'll answer it myself. The "perfect dodging machine" and the mirrored sunglasses come from Kurt Vonegut Jr.'s "Breakfast of Champions," which is a very strange story about a car dealer who is going crazy and a broke science fiction author. **Zath finishes the cereal, dumps the two cyber-pints of ice cream into the bowl, and continues eating.** On the subject of unanswered questions, I was surprised that there so many RHPS fans, but when I asked, no one had seen Shock Treatment, the sequel.
Aris> I like Terry Pratchett too, but my library only has a couple of the very first books, a couple of the most recent ones, and nothing in the middle, about a 10 book gap. I'm currently trying to get my hands on a copy of Mort.
Deuce> Thank you very much. I think I'll kill him again now just for fun, but this one is going to be a little gory.
**Zath pulls a giant electromagnet seemingly out of nowhere, points it at the CR Lawyer, and turns it on. Every single iron atom in his body is instantly super magnetized. All his red blood cells and anything else with even a hint of iron in it, including the spinach he had with lunch, clump together in his chest cavity, ripping through his organs on the way there rather than taking the roundabout path of his blood vessles to get there. The Lawyer gurgles once and dies. Before anyone can feed the corpse to the alligators, Zath reminds them about the gas problem and feeds it to Kitty instead. Zath then leaves to go read a book. Kitty hangs around the comment room, shedding on any and all who enter to post, and a couple of lurkers, too.**
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 06:23:46 PM
IP: ns5-01.viptx.net
*Looks at pic.* Now that I can deal with... :P
Traveler> Re: Mercedes: Actually, I was supposed to do some ghost writing on it with parts of RC, but because of work and my own fic and the Fanfic Deathmatch and the Drunken Adventures of Caligo, Wagner, and Whitbourne, she finally got the idea and did it herself...I'll probably get to see the somewhat final product this weekend when I go up to visit her, and I'll give you another update Monday.
Luach - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 06:14:02 PM
IP: gcolor.com
*Looks at the picture and screams.* AAAAAIIIIIEEEEE!!!
(Thought it would be easier with Ed floating around...;)
Traveler> Re: Caligo and Wagner: How'd you guess? Two guys sitting back, drinking good beer, reminisiencing...who was more eviller in their past...Stormy and I, once together, are a dangerous concoction and extremely volitable...and only we can force Cal and Wags into situations they would never be caught in...hense forth, the Teletubbies...
Coyote> No prob...
Luach - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 05:43:29 PM
IP: gcolor.com
To all who may care: I have just posted the *final* WCC character list. Click on my name link to view the entire list.
To save a trip for those who've heard about and don't particularly care who's in it: for the record, WCC attracted 73 creators to submit 435 characters.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 05:24:41 PM
IP: modem73.i-is.com
Forgot to answer Aris's question....
When a TGS writer puts in a new character, usually said character is intended to reapper and has been planned, proposed, and somewhat developed beforehand.
Sometimes a bit character is written in for a one-shot appearance with no plan to bring them back. (Similar to the judge who performed Fox and David's wedding ceremony in "Vows", or Harvey the Evil Ninja in "Thrill Of The Hunt", or the doctor who performed surgery on Elisa in "Deadly Force".) A character like this is basically a plot device, and doesn't need to be terribly well developed.
Sometimes, however, a one-shot character like that is retroactively developed and planned to reappear, either because a later plot needs someone similar, or just because the character turned out to be so darn appealing.
The thing is, it's often nearly impossible to tell these types apart when you first see them -- after all, who ever expected to see Chavez's red-haired driver again after his first appearance, or even noticed him? Or (to take more peripheral recurring characters) the Central Park Jogger, or the Yuppie Couple?
So keep reading, and you might see a few more people you never expected to see again....
*Batya vanishes again; this time the smoke spells out "This has been another Blatant Plug (TM)."
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 05:04:57 PM
IP: usr36-dialup52.mix2.boston.cw.net
CHARACTER & STORYLINE DEBATE-- *breathes deeply* I'm not gonna get involved here. Too personal.
FIRE STORM-- You have the themes? Great! E-mailing them to me won't work since my box has limited space as is. I'll try to set up a temp account for you so you can FTP them to a site and I can pick them up from there. I'd give you the FTP to the main site, but with sensitive info in there... you know how it is :P
TRAVELER-- To answer the Griff question... yes
DEUCE-- I'll send my dog, Illegal, out to search for that elusive mp3. I'll find it, capture it, bag it, and send it your way when I get it.
ARIS-- Yes, new characters are discussed and fleshed out by the authors and TGS staff. We give them a thorough once over before we do anything else with them.
QUICK TEST-- I need people to test this out. Go to the index page of the main TGS site and hit Alt+q to try something out. A book told me this should work only on 4.0 browsers but I'm dying to know if it works on anything below that. Thanx.
Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 04:50:05 PM
IP: clsc-pc-15.clicc.ucla.edu
ARIS> Oh wow -- someone who not only knows who Tim Hunter is, but quotes Granny Weatherwax! *offers Aris a cookie* I've read almost all of Vertigo's _Books Of Magic_ comic series to date, and I'm working my way through the Discworld series. Strongly recommend them both to all and sundry.
Tradition had Merlin as the son of a/the Devil; Vertigo's Merlin was the son of a demon; TGS's Merlin is the son of an evil fay. Our Merlin doesn't have nearly as complete a vision of his own future as his counterpart in Vertigo. And believe me, this is a mercy as far as he's concerned....
*Batya vanishes in a cloud of smoke, which for a moment swirls around to shape the words READ AND FIND OUT, then dissipates into thin air.*
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 04:49:34 PM
IP: usr28-dialup49.mix2.boston.cw.net
Spike> Oh, I am a HUGE fan of Terry Pratchett. Whenever I mention him though, people seem to go blank. I am happy this was not the case here.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 01:13:42 PM
IP: athe530-e084.otenet.gr
Sounds like somebody's a big fan of Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Let's give credit where credit is due shall we?
We get to see quite a bit more of the London Clan in the coming weeks. Don't get yer knickers in a knot!
Spike
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 01:11:03 PM
IP: dal-mm5-2214.cmpu.net
Todd> Tim Hunter, 14 years old, is the protagonist of 'Books of Magic' in the DC/Vertigo comic universe (the same universe the Sandman belongs in). I've only read up to issue 10, but Tim Hunter is (I believe) the son of Titania and Tamlin. In the original miniseries 'Books of Magic' by Neil Gaiman he was revealed to have the potential to become the greatest mage of our age, same as Merlin was of his, though Tim doesn't carry demonic blood. In fact Tim did travel backwards in time and met Merlin in *his* boyhood. And Merlin told him some... interesting things to say the least, concerning magic and obligation and futility.
Here's my review for the latest Pendragon Episode. Near the end I also start talking about recurring characters and character/event stuff.
*** My review for Beginning Again ***
A quite good story, and though not as good as Rising I & II, it's quite interesting and fun, just as the last one. This story has two different plots that don't have a lot to do with each other, and therefore are easier to judge seperately.
One thing I had neclected to say in my previous reviews: I'm extremely happy that Pendragon moved away from the irrelevant flashbacks that didn't serve the story at all. This is the most obvious (though not the only one I think) improvement of Pendragon from last season.
Some random thoughts:
So, what does Esplumeor mean?
I liked a lot the situation Emrys found himself in. It's very nice and reasonable that he would object to being sent to school. It's even more nice and reasonable that he would get annoyed with his teachers. We should never forget that teachers are there to *torture* students and I appreciate the TGS staff for their effort to bring this social problem to our attention. (Eh... you do know I'm joking, right?)
It's even more nice that Emrys would get attracted to the girls there: He does possess teenage hormones now, so it's reasonable. And it quite fitting and proper that he should feel disgusted with himself for doing that. He's older by more than a millenia and a half. He may look and feel young but he's ancient by every other definition there is. (ofcourse other definitions may not really matter but that doesn't mean he shouldn't feel disgusted). The absolutely best part on the Emrys story were his attitude towards math. Those were some ... inventive curses he was saying. I wouldn't want to be in his teacher's shoes if Emrys ever regained his full powers.
I have a nitpick with the Macbeth/Canmore affair. Ofcourse Emrys would object to the inaccuracies he's forced to listen to at school. But he should already know of the popular misconception concerning their story and thus wouldn't be surprised to hear Macbeth called a villain. And I don't believe he would call it "Canmore" propaganda. It's Shakespeare who is to be blamed.
The greatest problem about Emrys, however, is that I don't get his sense of age at all. He doesn't have the ...tiredness of Macbeth, or the bitterness of Demona, or (to move away from Gargoyles) the emotional distance of Connor Mcleod, or even the sense of ...neutrality of Methos. His identity seems to come across only through his knowledge of Madoc and past events. That's... unimaginative. I would like him to do stuff and act in ways which an outside observer could see and understand: 'This is no ordinary kid. This is no kid period. This is not even completely human. He has seen and done stuff most of us could never dream of... or would fear to dream of.'
He has lost his powers. But I never felt Merlin's power should lie on his powers alone or even his knowledge, but in his personality rather: A mediocre wizard turns people into frogs. A good wizard keeps them human and makes them believe they were turned into frogs. An excellent wizard uses no magic and simply uses headology, and makes his opponents so terrified of him that they end up hopping around like frogs, just to please him.
I'd like some sense of *that*. I'd like him for example to use simple words to prove and ridicule his history professor's ignorance, not his angry rant which ended up serving no purpose at all. But there's still time for that. And it's certainly extremely difficult for any writer to manage. I certainly couldn't do it. So why am I complaining? Simple: I'm the critic. I'm supposed to be annoying.
(btw after writing this review I reread Quest's End and it IS a little more of what I imagine of Merlin. His grim reaper illusion for example.)
I also believe the final confrontation was a bit too short. It seemed somewhat too easy though that may be unfair of me: After all Pendragon and co. didn't manage to 'devampirize' the vampire, only stopped Madoc from creating more. So it's a tie really, and not so bad.
I liked the attitude of Sevarius a lot. The only reason that that the character is not a cliche, is that he understands cliches, and knowingly uses them for the amusement of himself. (and us all)
Quite good episode once again. The vampire story is a bit weak; but since the focus of the episode is on the very good Emrys things it doesn't hurt it a lot.
*** End review ***
Recurring characters: Sigh. The London Clan (other than Leo, Una and Griff; and Lucy but only due to her parentage) are just interchangeable names for me and I don't care for them one bit. Will Leba be an developable, interesting character? I don't know.
Leba could be an interesting character but I am still concerned: Do people who write in characters, have any plans for them at all? And do they discuss those plans with the rest of the TGS staff.
On the other hand I understand the appeal of creating new characters. After reading the last Pendragon, I also had an idea for a character, a character which I believe would be quite interesting to write, read and evolve, and which could be a mover of events and characters, a bringer of both comedy and tragedy. So, what's my advice? Simple: Bring in only characters which you know you can develop, not ones which serve a plotpoint or storyline and are then discarded. (it shouldn't be 'We want a story on Japanese Mafia - we need the following characters, bring them in'- it should be 'wow this new character could help us delve into the psyche of many other ones, and brings to the show a new point of view, quite interesting in its own right, and possible to develop indefinitely. He/she stands by him/herself and is not dependant on the events of the story: He doesn't 'need' the story, we could certainly build a lot of stories around him/her though.'
Compare for example the interesting characters of Aiden or Lizzie (which helped develop Lex), Jericho (which developed Demona, Angela, Goliath, etc...), Gemini(which developed Macbeth, Demona, Xanatos, Ares) , etc. to other less successful ones like George Harrison (which brought nothing new to the characters but only to the storylines, and thus were less interesting.)
And btw I'm using George only as an example: He did have quite nice moments, his last note to his brother for example. But where I am concerned he was just a half-baked Castaway.
(PS: headology is a lot different to psychology. A psychologist dealing with a man fearing monsters, would try to make him understand there are no such things. A headologist dealing with the same man, would simply give him a big stick.)
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:47:21 PM
IP: athe530-e084.otenet.gr
(Enter CR Lawyer, followed by a bunch of smurfs.)
I am here today to say that the smurfs have requested for me to defend them in a court of law against your unprovoked attacks against them. We have a sure fire case, as I myself will testify that you savages repeatedly kill...
(A passerby in the room kills the lawyer and smurfs with a rather large gun, exclaiming, "No witnesses, no case!")
CR Lawyer
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:33:21 PM
IP: fw64.northside.isd.tenet.edu
hey what's up one with Griff one minute all he can think about is finding merlin so he can go get Brianna and now that he's found him he just sits around appearently not think about her at all. What's up?
wulffighter - [Wulfsbane99@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:29:35 PM
IP: dyn133-210.misu.nodak.edu
Reminder Gargoyles is on tonight. 11:30 mountain time. I have been trying to access the Disney channel to check up on programing for the month and keep getting denied access. Anyone else have that problem?
Starsinge
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:17:57 PM
IP: proxy-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net
**The screen lights up to reveal the tank in motion. Coyote is in the Commander Seat (I hope that's what it's called, Traveler's post got kind of mangled), Buick driving. A strange, large man is in the seat opposite Buick.**
Hey, all. We're cruising through Oklahoma right now, having picked up Kitainia's radio beacon. Let's just hope Buick follows the road rather than going by the crow flies.
BTW, please excuse the hysterical laughter underneath me. Coyote the Gearhead's trying to plug a leak in our nitrous oxide tank.
Also, say hi to a friend of mine we picked up in Kansas, Jason DeRosa. Say hi, Jason.
<"Hi, guys.">
He's an old roommate of mine. Nice guy, the right one you want to have with you in a barfight (he was an offensive lineman on MSU's football team.)
Okay, some replies:
Traveler: Hmm ... I'm trying to avoid making Demona seem one-dimensional. What I'm trying to do with Demona is establish her character as I've always seen it in the show, that of a user. It seemed to me that no matter who it was she was with, whether it was the Captain, Xanatos, Thailog or Angela, she was using her companion to further her own gain. My Demona is using on multiple fronts; she's using Angela, then Samson to give her a family presence and make her feel in control; on the other hand, she's using the Rokkans to further her goal of gargoyle world domination. I'm not even beginning to say she wasn't hurt when the Obedient Child Spell was broken with Angela; she was to a certain extent, but to another extent she knew that she had another option with Samson.
I've been racking my brain trying to come up with an appearance for Rosanna that will make her look unique, but still like herself, something you've never seen with any other cyborg faces. And I'm still working it.
Kitainia: I sent you and Doug the descriptions of Kim, Preston and Jason.
**Jason DeRosa looks up.**
Not you, Jason.
**He nods, turning his vision back to the road.**
Anyway, as I was going to say, I don't really need any individual event-driven stories for my particular cycle, since the whole thing is basically one big event (the invasion). It allows me to focus more on the characters themselves.
And thanks for the compliment on the scanner. Maybe sometime today (since I'm off) I can actually hook it up!
Completely unrelated: Anybody here in the state of Minnesota, I envy you guys. You now have *the* kewlest governor-elect in the country. (For those who haven't heard, Reform Party candidate Jesse "The Body" Ventura won the Minnesota governor's race.)
***RP related from here on in.***
Uh, guys, is it just me or is the laughter getting louder?
<"Hee hee hee hee hee ...">
Hey, Gearhead, get up here, the fumes are gettin' to ya!
<"Hee hee ... sorry, boss ... hee hee ...">
Ughh ... Jason, where are we?
<"We've got the Texas border in sight.">
Great. Floor it, Buick!
**The tank picks up even more speed, if that's possible, and zooms across a rough dirt field into the great state of Texas, as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 11:22:38 AM
IP: modem73.i-is.com
** Comes back **
Just kidding!
** Feeds lawyer, piece by piece, into a blender, and feeds the Lawyer Puree to the gators. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 10:17:17 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net
Hey, everybody. Thanks for all the kind words about my picture.
KITAINIA> *grins* Actually, I've been doing HTML for two-and-a-half years. I admit, the page is at the "low" end of the skill scale, but I had 15 minutes to put it together. I'll be working on a much-advanced, much-improved page this month, it'll be up by Christmas (I hope).
ZATH RE: MACBETH> ROTFL at your post. That's awesome. I found a unique version of MacBeth at my library: a comic book. Granted, at was 10x14x1/4", but it was gory, and absolutely perfect (it's just the way you'd imagine it). But there were no gargoyles of the flesh variety. Bummer.
DUMLAOX> Ah, Mr. MP3 Lord, do you think you could rustle me up a copy of "I Don't Like Mondays" by The Boomtown Rats? It a very good song, and is shortly becoming my theme. (P.S. To everyone: EM me for a copy of the lyrics... they're hilarious). :-)
GATOR NAMES> I like 'em all. Tres interessant.
ZATH> You win for most creative lawyer killing. Cacti? Ouch.
** Looks over at the lawyer, and decides to be merciful this time. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 10:16:18 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net
**Zath walks into the comment room followed by T Horror, who is now wearing a XXXL sized off-white hooded sweatshirt, shiny gold MC Hammer pants (must be something in the genes. I'll have to ask Anton Sr. about that next time I see him.), and Zath's mirrored shades. TH has also apparently dyed his hair blond.**
Well it took a new wardrobe and my sun glasses, but T Horror says he has finally forgiven me for eating his liver. To tell the truth, I think the sweatshirt and shades makes him look like a big Unabomber-wannabe, and I don't even know where he found those pants, but he seems to like them and says they're much more comfy than the speedo, less drafty.
We did Macbeth (get your minds out of the gutter, it's full of broken glass and cigarette butts. Look what you've gone and done, now you need a brainwash) in English class a couple of weeks ago and then watched the movie (the 1971, Roman Polanski version). People kept looking at me funny because I was laughing through the entire last fight scene, the beheading of Macbeth, and the people running around with the head on a big stick. My teacher probably thought I needed to be sent to guidance, but I couldn't help it. I kept thinking "Boy, Demona's gotta be sore right now!"
Another little interesting tidbit about the movie was that Lady Macbeth was played by a redhead and in the first scene she was in, she was wearing a light blue dress, so she actually looked quite a bit like Demona. Too bad she never wore a gold crown: )
Wilek> Why thank you! Maybe you could smack the CR Lawyer instead. Just try not to knock him into the moat. I think he gives the gators gas.
Deuce> The swallow thing is from Monty Python. **Creativity Demon(a)... doing the dead parrot sketch with garg characters. A member of the illimanati could be the customer. The shopkeeper could be one of the Canmores or a quarryman, and Demona could be the parrot! "Now that's what I call a dead gargoyle." "She's not dead. She's pining for the fjords."
Traveler> <<"he's only mostly dead".>> is from The Princess Bride, one of the few stories in the world that is both a good movie *and* a good book. If you want more detail, it was said by Miracle Max, who was played by Billy Crystal. I agree, Coyote (probably version 1.0) would make an excellent Black Knight.
Aris> <<Griff> Hey, whatever happened to Rory? Arthur> I ate him. >> I love that! (yes, it's true, I often find cannibalism funny, as long as it's fictional.)
MrNoying> I say we name the gators Hannibal, Sweeny, and Jeff, because they do eat people after all. Although if those names aren't very popular, I'm kind of partial to the name Schnookums for the really big ugly one with the funny bump on his head (the lawyer must have kicked him last time they ate him).
**Zath leans over to point to Schnookums and is pushed into the moat but the CR Lawyer. Thailog Horror roars and punches the lawyer so hard he goes flying out through the wall and smashes into the building across the street. The lawyer slides down the outside wall of the other building, running into window boxes filled with cacti at every floor. Eventually he hits the sidewalk, is trampled by a large group of teenagers, a woman with a baby carriage, and several people on their way to the CR. He tries to get away by crawling into a steam vent, only to fall into a giant cauldron full of boiling chili, which Talon and the mutates had been cooking to feed all the homeless people living in the Labyrinth. The lawyer screams and, because he is allergic to chili, goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. While all that is happening, Zath tumbles into the moat, getting covered with rabid alligator foam. Zath stands up, notices something odd, tastes the foam, and shouts, "Hey, this is whipped cream! These alligators aren't rabid at all!" The alligators look embarrassed at being found out and let Zath climb out of the moat unharmed. While Zath leaves to go shower off the whipped cream, T Horror gets on the phone and calls CR maintnance to come fix the wall.**
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 02:26:53 AM
IP: ns16-07.viptx.net
(Jim Noying walks in with the CR Lawyer. They both step past the alligators unharmed, and both are apparently drunk.)
First of all, it is my alter ego that is drunk, not me. I'm 16, and would NEVER drink before I was 21... That's illegal. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!)
Lets see, so far, the names for the rabid gators that have been tossed into the mix (some via e-mail) are:
Jason, Kim, Preston, Yakko, Wakko, Dot, Remy Lebeu, Simba, O, J, CC, Scaly, Lizzy, George,Ralph, Bud, Wise, Er, Larry, Frank, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo, Raphael, and Venus.
I think we're about ready to take a vote! Remember, there are three gators, one female. And it seems there are hatching eggs if the travler is to be believed... I'm rooting for the ninja turtle names myself... Of course, then we'd have to bring in two more gators... Not a problem, it's a big moat!
Doug- Jim does indeed have space for 17 people. See, he came into a small fortune sometime ago, and owns a really big place with over 700 acres of farm land, (where do you think he got the rabid gators?) where he generally throws wild parties with an excess of 200 people. So there is definatley room... Gee, you had a pretty long post. I had to click seven times to get through it...
Kitania- You also had a long post. I had to click six times to get through it. Buuuut...
Travler- You win the grand prize with a post that took NINE clicks to get through! Whew! I'll have to beat that next time I'm offline for 2 weeks... And you are right, the black night would be well represented by the coyote robot... And those are some wicked CR demons!
Gee, my post is getting a bit lengthy itself...
(The lawyer is overly happy, because he is drunk. He fails to realize he has stayed alive longer than he ever has before. And then, he starts singing "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts." And then Jim joins in with the "deedly dee" part. All seems like it is going to be merry and well for the CR Lawyer for a change. But, Jim hits a REAAAAAAALY high note that not only shatters glass, but the lawyer as well.)
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 01:03:56 AM
IP: spider-tp034.proxy.aol.com
Oh, and thanks for clarifying.
Kitainia
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:59:48 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ptg-vty24.as.wcom.net
Wilek: Probably not. His Borg programming should shield him against that.
Kitainia
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:54:36 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ptg-vty24.as.wcom.net
[Quick reply.]
Kitainia> Oh...when I was asking if Guod could be "hacked into", I meant in the computer sense (ie the kind of thing Gubio does), not in the cutting sense. I should have been clearer. :}
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:27:03 AM
IP: tnt-1-111-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Doug has already posted tonight, so I'll take over. :)
** The screen lights up again. The Ravens and their allies are arriving at the Vibes and Octanes night club and its connected office/factory/warehouse complex. Gino's nephew Carlo, a blonde teenager in an Italian suit, meets them outside it with Enrico and Ramon, two more of their family's musclebound thugs. They report that the club just threw out all its non-gang-affiliated patrons for some reason. The Ravens quickly realize the bad guys are on to them, and begin getting ready to go in as Kitainia says her piece. **
Deuce: Nice website for a beginner. I also liked the doodle pic.
Heather: Your pic was also nice. Boy, is Sailor Earth's hair long!
Firestorm: Hey, we know TD Season 2 has "already happened" for Brooklyn, Sata, and just about everyone else on the show. But we have not yet gotten the chance to read exactly what happened, and that's why we want to know. We are not too linear to realize it, we are just curious and we want to see what happened regardless of how old the story is. So there is no need for you to talk all patronizing to us.
Doug: You forgot Connor MacLeod. You better bring him back. He's my personal favorite of your imported good guys. <<Doug smiles and tells her not to worry, that the Highlander will someday return.>> But, in my opinion, your saga is so far going as well as can be expected, and often better. Keep it up! **Kitainia and her friends have all readied their weapons and are now heading towards the complex's main entrance.**
Same goes for TGS. You keep up the good work, too. At whatever pace you deem worthy. This reader will enjoy it, Unseelie-dominated or not. <grin>
ED: Greg was planning to do only thirteen Timedancer eps? No way. He couldn't possibly cram forty years of adventures into that few. I'm personally glad they're taking it to the extreme they are, I like all the episodes and want to see more. Soon, hopefully. This season I'm hoping for more development of Brooklyn and Sata, follow-ups to Midnight Showdown and For Old Times' Sake (I can not get the image of Sata in the Old West out of my head), and a dinosaur-action episode. With real dinosaurs, not Jurassic Park. I also want to find out if anything more happens with Pandora or Robin Hood's band. Flight into the Forest was another of my favorite TD eps, if only for the new spin it put on an old familiar tale.
<Doug suddenly jumps in> Wilek: I am doing that in my fic cycle. I have a main villain right now that many have called an Ultimate Bad Guy (Silvan). But of course he will be gone soon and the guys worse than him (Mackovic and Thailog) will take over. Then they'll get into competition with Madoc for the title when, a very large number of stories away, he makes his first appearance as a major part of the action in the universe of my fic that's not in a flashback, reference, or through one of his agents that are currently part of the mix. And I doubt I'll be having surviving villains make a comeback after the Ultimate Bad Guy croaks. Just about everyone else on his side will fall first. That is the plan right now, anyway. <lets Kitainia take back over>
Thanks, Doug. You were better able to answer that sudden question.
About Guod: Well, he is half-Borg, so I assume he can assimilate himself to cutting damage. And he does have cyber-nanite systems (like Coldsteel's) that will heal him almost automatically if he recieves a wound. So he's going to be big trouble. You best let us handle him. :)
TRC: Let's say the biker who came with you was Tommy Walker. Your post made it sound like him talking, and he is the quintessence of tag-alongs. :)
Coyote: Cool scanner. Um, about Jason, Kim, and Preston, you might want to tell us more about them so when you get here we are able to work them in. If Kim is a jealous jerk ex-sig. other type, we already have plans to bring in at least five of those (two of Doug's, one of mine, one of Jim's, and one of Tricia's), so it'll be easy working in a sixth one. Preston, though, is also the first name of Mr. Vogel, and of a friend of Doug's in Santa Fe he plans to get involved when we head down there at some point. We were planning to refer to them as Vogel and Mr. Miller, so I guess it doesn't matter if you call this guy by his first name. And if you want to bring in the Jasons, too, go ahead. Just make sure none of them has the last name Canmore. :)
Okay, extending radio beacon now. **She waves to Agent Janice, who is remaining behind to guard the vehicles, and she begins to broadcast the signal over the CB radio in Jammer's car.** Hope you get here soon, Coyote. And btw, character-driven fics do stick with this reader longer than action-driven ones. You're right about that for me. However such stories like nearly all the ones written by Doug, Ryan Stout, Dylan Bacqluiere (sp?), Christine, Spike, or Missy, where stories can be equally driven by action and character, those stories stick with me even more. That's part of the reason I like X-Files and Buffy, the Vampire Slayer so much.
Speaking of which, how many other Buffy fans we got in here? Tonight's episode was definitely a classic. I loved Xander's line about Buffy and Faith getting all sweaty. (They were training, of course, get your minds out of the gutter.) And Mr. Trick is turning out to be a good new main villain, though he still can not top the Spike-ster. As for that Mayor, I hope both he and his dimwitted clone Principal Snyder die soon and badly. Guess I should take this to a different comment room, but I do really like Buffy, and tonight's episode was one of the many classics, so I had to say this. Wonder if anybody's done a Buffy/Gargs crossover. If not, I may pressure Doug to (He's the fic writer, not me). The creativity demons compel!!
Traveler: Welcome back, thanks for the mech. I think we'll let Gubio pilot it, as he's the best one here at MechWar. The copters aren't that heavily armed, just one transport chopper and one Apache. Your reference is from Princess Bride.
Now, I have a request to make to you and everyone involved in this saga. Please do not bring back good guys we have killed off in new bodies. I will forgive Traveler for Shallow Mouth, as his new form will make for interesting stories and he probably has more to tell us, but we had him killed for a reason (we are writing a large part of this story, remember?): to create an effect similar to what happened in X-Files when Deep Throat died. (And no, we will not bring in any more informants who also die or turn evil.) We thought we were through with the character and wanted to increase the mystery with Thailog's plots and make us have to do more info-gathering in addition to the action and bad guys' plots. So please if we do something, let us worry about it and only add to the action in a way that will not undo major events such as good guy death. After all, if we get the license to do it with our side, so will the bad guys. And I am sure no one here wants that. Right? We want to have fun with this for a very long time, but we don't want it going on for ever!
Additional note to Traveler: Shallow Mouth is not affialiated with the Illuminati, nor does he know anything about Super Bowls. Only about the operations of Thailog, specifically his alliances with the Fundamentalist Extreme and the Vayas Comos Ninjas. Sorry to disappoint you.
About Marsh: Fleur and Traveller and whoever else is at the building, we have plans for Roger E. Marsh. Major plans. Please do not kill him off. We are still developing him as an antagonist, we don't even know what he looks like or his motivation yet. Also, that's just one of his corporate buildings, he probably has a whole lot more. (San Francisco is probably where the company headquarters will be.) And a whole lot more plots, money, and underlings. He is obviously a major part of Thailog's team, because he's supplying them with all the high-tech stuff. So do not kill him. We will eventually, but with good reason we do not think it should happen this soon. Let's make this easy for you and say Marsh is not even at the building you're attacking. He is elsewhere. You can still take out plenty of his company resources, hack the computer core, and blow the place up with no worries. At least until his lawyers track you down. :)
That's all for now, later.
** The Ravens, the Mafia people, and the two government agents head inside the club complex. The mech remains outside, as it is too big to fit through the door, but Gubio does hang on to its call beacon, just in case. Our heroes let the doors shut behind them and find the club apparently empty. Then a garage door quickly slams down behind them, cutting off their escape. Cutter Forbes and his Bloods (these are the same Bloods who I had to help chase out of my neighborhood once, btw. We don't know much about the Austin Bloods, so we're using them to make this personal and because the gangs are porbably similar) then leap out from behind the bar and various other hiding places to challenge them. Several Yakuza ninjas and tatooed assassins, some Mafia thugs, and the group of Gangsta Disciples who nearly killed Shauna (she's another of the Ravens, to those who don't know by now, the bad black gal with the bow and arrow) and her brother once back when she lived in Chicago are with them. T'angelo Creed is the leader of the latter bunch, he and Cutter are both very big bad punks with spiky hairdos dressed in general gang clothing. T'angelo is black and slightly larger, while Cutter's a blonde guy and seems to have a crazier gold-toothed grin. As the screen goes blank, the Ravens and their allies ready themselves to fight and the thugs and gang members rush to attack them. To be continued...**
Kitainia (and Doug) - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, November 4, 1998 12:02:00 AM
IP: atl-qbu-zpc-vty84.as.wcom.net
Damn that's long, sorry. I'll try to respond more often in order to shorten my posts. However I would like to see some one try and beat the size of mine, not counting the picture it's: 14.8KB or 15,206 bytes. Just try, I dare you! *hehehe* Uh oh, maybe that wasn't the best idea. Time will tell though. *hehehe*
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 11:38:31 PM
IP: 174-71-95.ipt.aol.com
**Scene: Doug and Kitainia's assualt team somewhere in the warehouse/niteclub district. Currentaly they are stopped at the side of the road preparing for a raid. Suddentaly, in the middle of the street, a huge dark energy vortex opens and all present are quite shocked to see what could only be described as a Timber Wolf Mech walking out of it. One look up at the cockpit explains everything, it's Traveler. The Mech pulls up along side the building and shuts down. A dark energy vortex is briefly seen inside the mech; as soon as it closes one opens infront of the assembled group and Traveler steps out. Traveler: Hi everyboby, BTW nice apartment Doug, I was there eariler and found SM. See I was parking my Specter Gun Ship back in my armory (it's hell trying to back one of those up!) when I overherd (don't ask how, I've been keeping tabs on all the teams without them knowing it. (Sorry)) that you needed something to take down heavly armed helicopters. Sooo... I grabbed this and headed over! It's pretty much stock except I was able to add some energy shielding, and upgrade the neural helmet to the point of: you think it, it does it. You'll still have to learn the manual controls however. *tosses them a book entitled: Your Timber Wolf Mech and you. Ten easy steps to its use and proper maintence.* Oh and Shallow Mouth is kinda back among the living again. See this is how it happened: *~Flashback to Traveler at Doug's apartment finding SM's body in the tub~* Traveler leans over as if to inspect the body.* Hmmm... Well this will not do at all. I said I wanted to talk with him about the Bills four Super Bowl losses and I meant it. *Thinking- I think I'll try to bring him back, but his body is to mangled and has already started to decay, so all have to give him a new one with a soul transference to an "empty shell" of a body. This will probabialy work because it looks like "he's only mostly dead". (Cyber cookie to anyone who can place that reference) *He then reaches deep within his coat and pulls out a very large clear canister. Contained inside is what looks like a liquid metal substance.* Hope you like this as your new body, but then again asking you now is a moot point; it's basicly a T-1000 protoform that hasn't been programed yet. I hope this works. *Traveler raises his arms and traces a few strange patterns in the air over the broken corpse and then starts chanting in strange archaic speach. The room begins to shake slightly as the power builds to the point where it's almost tangeabile. Then suddentaly SM's body jerks as if its' having a seiure, then goes still again as a white misty substance seeps out of the dead body's now open eyes, through the air, wraps around Traveler's one outstreched hand, then to the other, and then disappering into the still closed cointainer.* *~Flash forward to the present~* Well anyway, I think it worked, but since he is no longer in his original body he's going to have to stay in that container until his mind and soul adjust and fuse with the new body. As per the terms of the spells I used that means 48 hours at least. Right now he's kinda sleeping and the last thing he remembers is being killed and almost makeing it to the end of that tunnel you've all heard so much about. So I suggest that at least one of you be back at the apartment when the tank opens and he wakes up screaming, so you can explain what happened. See when the container opens he will awaken, and he'll think he's still in his own body, so he'll subconsciously reform himself that way when he comes out. Tell him that to change shape all he has to do is concentrate, it will eventally get easier as he adjusts to the body. Oh yea, and tell him he's now practicaly immortal because I also upgraded the liquid metal matrix so that it's much more resistent to heat&cold, and absorbing extereme impacts, than the one from the movie which I based his new body off of. And that I still want to talk with him after this little war that's been started is over. Well... I gotta go warp myself over to the Marsh building now and help Fleur and Clan Austin kick some ass. *opens a vortex and turns to go, then turns back chuckling and tosses them a set of keys saying: "I almost forgot, you'll need these to get the Mech started! Bye now. Call me if you need anything else, I've got a really big "toy box" if you know what I mean." Traveler then turns and vanishes into the vortex, as soon as he is through it closes behind him.**
*a vortex opens in the CR and Traveler walks out* Hello all! Yep, you guessed it! It's another incredibily ultra-long post from Traveler!
****Look out it's an EPISODE SPOILER!!!****
Ah...the latest episode "Beginning Again" was a treat. Well written as usual, and a nice length to chew up some RL time as well. Liked the fact that we were introduced to more of the London Clan, and that it looks like they'll play a more active part in the series now.
Question: During WWII (in the TGS universe), was Griff the only member of the Clan to take to the skys and help out the British pilots?
IMO since the Clan has decided to start actively patroling London they should (possibily formaly) contact the local police, Scotland Yard, or something to try and establish some good PR and avoid for the most part what happened with the Manhatten Clan in the U.S. This might be accomplished by having Captian Marter round up some other WWII pilots who remember being assisted by Gargoyles (although not knowing what they were) and using them as initional go-betweens to start the introductions. Their status will lend credibilty to their support of the Clan in the public and governmental eyes. And hopefully avoid most of the xenophobia since the "Quarryman" movement never really hit the English shores in the force that it did in New York.
Oh, and I think this will now become a somewhat regular thing for me. Namely picking out what I believe to be the scene/line(s) and posting it/them. This weeks is: <Drawing his sword from the tattered trenchcoat that served to conceal it, Arthur confronted this new foe. The man rolled his eyes when he saw it. "Oh, I knew it was too good to last. I suppose you would be the stalwart hero, come to thwart my evil designs, hmm?" "You guess correctly, villain," Arthur replied, unfazed by the scientist's sarcasm. "I suppose introductions are in order. My name is Dr. Anton Sevarius, the world's premier geneticist. And you?" Arthur paused at that, and then smiled slightly, "Arthur, formerly King of the Britons." Sevarius smirked. "King Arthur? Why not. And these, I suppose, are your Knights of the Round?" "Enough of this pointless banter. Surrender yourself, or face the consequences." "And so on and so forth--perhaps I should just skip to the part where I activate the self-destruct device, and we all run for our lives?" Sevarius reached into his pocket and drew forth a small box with a covered red button. Flipping up the cover, he punched the button.> After reading this I was ROTFL!!!
****End of It's another EPISODE SPOLIER!!!****
>Monty Python and the Holy Grail- The Black Knight would be played by one of the versions of the Coyote android.
"Oh that's right, it's just a little bunny! That's what they all say, before they go out and get their heads bitten off! I tried to warn ye, but did you listen? No, of course not, nobody ever does until somebody's head gits nibbled clean off their shoulders!"-loose interpitation of Tim the Wizard after one of the Knights is slain by the beast.
The CR Alligators- *Traveler walks over to the moat, telikineticly picks up a newly hatched baby, and puts a spiked black leather collar on it.* Alright! I always wanted one of these as a pet! I think I'll name her...CC. Hmmm...better also increase her intelengence level and personality to about that of a garg beast though. At least I won't have to worry about feeding her. *Traveler picks up a smurf that trys to run by and then feeds it to CC who eagerly accepts it and starts ripping chunks of smurf flesh off with her tiny jaws.* Awww...ain't that cute. *CC looks up and squieks in response, then resumes her meal.*
>EDDIE- Ummm...your right, that isn't Kat. Maybe you should see if DumaloX is willing to fix that oversight for you. Visiting and making comments on company time eh? Naughty, naughty! Did you read my comment to you that is now in last weeks post? <Please no Teletubies!!!> And YES!!! Please e-mail me your new fanfic!!! And is Mercedes finished with "A Moment of Rage" y e t??? *hehehe* Oh no, Caligo and Wagner together? I can see it now, is it subtitled: The sociopaths, near immortal's, Bevis and Butthead?
>Merlin Missy- Nice short story, and what kind of sword?
>ED- Yes, unfortunally for the most part they are, as you put it, "yob" central.
>Sound- If anybody wants the mp3 themes for any of the four series e-mail me or ask me in this CR. I'll e-mail them to you.
>DumaloX- Welcome to the brotherhood of Borland C++ users. *hehehe*
>Spike- I'm not a SM fan, but I have seen the show a few times. You did an excelent job on Ariana's outfit, and Grame's tux.
>Heather- It only took you 20 minutes to do that!
>Coyote the Bando- Great addition to the story line. And IMO (which I already gave when we first found out about Rose's disease) "I can't wait to see a pic of her with half her face being that of a T-(101?) skull!" Although I don't think Demona has experienced enough pain in your cycle. I mean, she had her daughter by her side (even though she really had no choice) for several years. And when Angela breaks free of her control and switches aligence to Roseanna, she just shruggs it off and enslaves Sampson? It feels like she's turning into a one dimential chracter. Oh, and if Buick can fly a TIE Intercepter, I think he can handle an M-1 Abrams. Oh... and I think where your sitting is actually the Commander's seat. Although I could be wrong. And an Abrams engine is a gas turbine, so NO2 might cause the fan blades to melt if you don't watch the engine temp. Unless of course the gearhead found someway to shoehorn a relly efficent cooling system in there to augment the main one.
Wilek and Todd- I agree with Wilek, I like the idea of him saying: <"Or I shall have to hurt you"> as well>:)
Dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, still yet incredibaly even MORE dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, and the DRAGON KING!!! AH HA! HA! HA! My plauge lives on!
****WCC or otherwise Creativity Demon brought about by Wilek mentioning Pinhead and linking to that Hellraiser site.****
*Scene: Traveler approaching Demona after someone has just defeated her and she makes a snide remark about being immortal and that she'll be back.* Traveler: You have fulfilled your part of the bargin now I shall mine. *Looks at Demona* In a few moments you'll wish you could die. *hehehe* *From inside his black duster he pulls out what looks like an intricate puzzle box, and holds it in his hand for all to see.* Demona *somewhat disbeliving*: So what, it's a box, what are you going to me with that? *Traveler tosses the box towards Demona but instead it just floats in the air.* From where I obtained it, it's know as the Lament Configureation. *Traveler makes a guesture towards the floating box, and it starts to solve itself.* And in the words of a dammmed soul, "It opens doors." *The box finishes and a portal to hell appears behind Demona and the cenobite Pinhead comes through it.* Traveler: Ahhh... Spencer. So glad you could come, I have a new plaything for you and your friends. Take good care of her, she's been a very naughty person for a very long time. Pinhead: Ah yes, we've been expecting her for quite some time now. (I'm sorry I can't resist this line) Her suffering will be legendary...even in Hell. Traveler: And Spencer... I don't wan't to find out she's been turned into a cenobite or anything else. Because that would upset me. And when I get upset, a call from me will get your master VERY upset. Understand? Pinhead *somewhat annoyed* Very well, eternal suffering and damnation only. *Pinhead turns to leave and walks through the portal. Moments later hell chains shoot out of the portal, hook into Demona's skin, and drag her screaming into the portal as the doorway closes.* Traveler *turns to whoever defeated Demona*: Oh and don't worry about Macbeth, I anulled the pain transference portion of the spell. *hehehe* Well that's that, she's still alive, but by the time she makes it back to the real world, she'll more than likely think a few more times than twice before trying anything evil or generaly misguided ever again. *hehehe*
****End Creativity Demon****
>Christine- Read your new fic, I think it could be one of the best you've ever written. With the depth you went into you may have just started a new alternate universe to write in. The story certaintly addresses this what if scenario very well.
**Scene: The Marsh Industries building, the upper floors where Fleur, Clan Austin, and the rest of their team are making their way through the darkened hallways.* *Suddentaly the team stops in its tracks feeling a surge of static electricty building up infront of them.* Fleur: Get ready everybody, *raises her flame-thrower* whatever this thing is it probably isn't friendly! *as she finishes a vortex opens and Traveler steps out.* Traveler: Now Fleur, you know I'm only unfriendly to those that deserve it. *hehehe* Fleur: Grrr... Traveler! What took you so long to get here? We could have used your help with those mercs up on the roof. Traveler: Well...after I shredded most of this building with the gunship, I had to put it back in my armory. Then I had to drop off a "little" something for Doug and Kitainia, AND bring their mostly dead informant back to life in a new body. *pauses* And get here in time to warn you about THOSE!!! *points down the hall to where a leigion of war robots have been released from hidden compartments in the walls. They are heavly armored with a huminoid upper and a tracked lower. They are about eight feet tall with mini-missile launchers mounted on one shoulder and a lazer cannon on the other.* Traveler: Did Doug or Kitainia say anything about taking Marsh alive? Because if not we could just find the central computer core, hack it, and vaporize the building on our way out. Oh well, Fleur, take this it'll work better on them than that torcher. *from out of his coat he pulls an eight-barrled mini-gun and hands it to her.* I'll do it the old fashoned way. *two 4 foot translucent green energy-blades appear on each forearm as Traveler heads into the middle of the pack of droids and starts wildly slashing and cutting them into scrap. then the screen fades out.**
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 11:31:24 PM
IP: 174-71-95.ipt.aol.com
**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote, Buick and Coyote the Gearhead sitting at a rest stop somewhere in the middle of Kansas (we're not sure where.). Coyote the Gearhead is checking their stock of weapons, including three shotguns, an M-16 and a couple of crossbows.**
Hey all. We're making great time on our trek to Texas, mainly thanks to the Gearhead's little alterations to the tank's engine. Say, how did you manage to get it burning nitrous?
<"Believe me, you don't want to know.">
Well, it's not dangerous, is it?
<"Uhh ... let me get back to you on that one.">
Ohhhh boy ... anyway, it's time to do some replies.
My new scanner: It's an AcerScan Prisa 310S SCSI-run color scanner. I bought it this past Sunday at a computer show at a public market (Fire Storm: it was at Gibraltar Trade Center North), where there was also an outfit from Ann Arbor selling Pentium II MMX clones for as low as $675. We're thinking of getting our new machine from this place, they have a really nice machine available for $730 that'll run the Internet halfway decently and has room for some goodies I'd like to get (read: Director and Photoshop.).
Christine: Way to go! Steve Jackson ROCKS!!
**composes self.**
Sorry. But I just have to say Steve Jackson Games is one of the best game companies ever, thanks to that wonderful card game of theirs, INWO.
And speaking of which ...
**A drawer opens in the room, revealing an envelope marked "CR Lawyer." The lawyer picks it up, opening it, and reveals an INWO card titled "The First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All The Lawyers." Then the card blows up, taking the lawyer with it.**
Ahhh ... I feel cleansed.
SJ: I voted before going to work. And thanks to all the voters here, we managed to keep that idiot Fieger out of Lansing. Yay!!
Eddie: Thanx!
Todd: Just in case Batya didn't answer this already, Tim Hunter is the protagonist of the DC/Vertigo comic "The Books of Magic."
MrNoying: Suggestions for names of the alligators ... hmmm ... I know! The three most sinister names in my past, at least:
Jason
Kim
Preston
I know they're kind of ordinary, but if you knew half the Jasons I've known (most of them were jerks), you'd understand that one. As for the other two ... they're a couple of the folks I'm going to Texas to hunt down.
Heather: Kewl pic. I like your style!
Deuce: Once again, kewl pic. Don't be so hard on your skills, you've got a nice style. Just think of it this way ... there's some professionals out there who do worse.
Character vs. Event Driven Stories: I learned a long time ago, with my cybercomic, that character-driven stories have more impact on the reader and stay with them longer than event-driven ones. That's why there isn't a lot of action in my fics (well, there's action, but not a lot illustrated in detail.), because I tend to focus on the characters as people rather than fighters. Take a look at your stories, read them with the eyes your readers have, and think about how much this story will impact the reader. That's all I'm going to say on this topic.
***RP related from this point on.***
Doug: Send out a radio beacon at 5400 mHz, so we can find you. We can find you that way, since I'm completely unfamiliar with which city you're in (which I've forgotten.). And considering the speed we're going in this tank, we should be entering Texas by this time tomorrow.
<"Ready to move?">
Well, did you walk Buick?
<"Yeah, I did that already. He's ready to go.">
Okay ... WHOA! What did I just slip in?!
<"You don't want to know.">
Oh, boy ...
**Coyote, the Gearhead and Buick pile into the tank, starting the engine. A weird noise comes from the engine, the treads skid for a few seconds, then the tank peels out of the rest stop at an incredible speed, shooting fire out the exhaust ports. Gotta love nitrous oxide!**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 11:14:43 PM
IP: modem42.i-is.com
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, two Doom Commando cyber garg imps, the bikers, SJ, and Frankie are in the tunnels fighting several scuttlers that have found them.] We still haven't heard from TRC. Hope he's OK. [One of the bikers throws a grenade at the scuttlers.] That's one down...and about a zillion to go. Eep. I hope those DTII's get here soon...
Deuce> Decompress the MP3's before trying to play them. And I just saw your catgoyle. You draw a lot better than I do, buddy. And I like what you've named your site.
Zath> An honest mistake; I won't be smacking you.
Nicodemus> Interesting...I think Miriam used blood magic once.
Aris> ROTFL at those creativity demons! Especially the second one!!!
SJ> Did you know that there is a real International Association of Vampire Hunters? I kid you not. I wonder if any member of it is surnamed Belmont...
MrNoying> How 'bout Yakko, Wakko, and Dot? ^_^ j/k And no, gators can't get rabies. Only mammals can. But "rabid alligators" is fun to say. :) Hm, gator names...Cajun names...The only Cajun name I know is Remy LeBeau, the real name of Gambit from X-Men.
Character vs. Event> I think that a good series needs many elements of both. My first few fic cycles will be very event-driven, but there will be a lot of character development as well. An event-driven story loses nothing if there's sufficient character development. <<I always write my stories based on events and let character development occur as the characters react to it. ~Doug>> That's pretty much what I do as well.
Fire Storm> Your Fieger WAV seems to be missing; I get an "HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found" error when I click it.
Doug> If you don't know how to continue when you've beaten the Ultimate Bad Guy, either create an Ultimate Worse Guy or have a surviving villain make a comeback. To do the latter, try to keep stories relatively open-ended re villain death, ie have a character imprisoned instead of killed. Random thought> How vulnerable would Guod be to being hacked into?
[Suddenly, resounding explosions consume several scuttlers. Five Dark Troopers stalk into the corridor and blow up all the remaining scuttlers.] YES!!! It's off to Area 51 everyone! [To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 11:06:09 PM
IP: tnt-2-213-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
** Runs in with cobwebs in his hair **
OK, never mind about the doodle. NOW, click on my name and see my semi-completed web page. Click on the "Catgoyle Doodle" link under "Things to Look At". And everything should work. I hope.
** Leaves, scratching one of the alligators behind the ears on the way out **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 10:47:15 PM
IP: dialin041.connect.ab.ca
DumlaoX: Don't worry about it. CD-R's are cheap. I get them for $1 each.
I also have the MP3's AND wave files of the TGS themes.
Timedancer Season 2: It already happened. You are just to linear to realize it.
Impatient TGS readers: See above. All events have already been revealed. You are just too linear to realize it.
Fire Storm - [<--- Click my link to hear my Feiger voicemail]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 10:39:06 PM
IP: dhcp151.visitus.net
** The screen lights up. Doug, Kitainia, and those with them are coming out of Just Guns and its surrounding shops once again (we had to resupply). They start loading stuff into, then getting into and on their various vehicles (two cars and the motorbike). Doug puts on his black motorcycle helmet with Chinese dragon decals and then begins to make his post as Kitainia gets the engine started. **
Well, it's off to the warehouse district for us. No sign of Asil YET, we're going to go take care of the gangs while we're waiting for her to show up. The cops are standing by to come make arrests after we kick ass (they lost a lot of people in the last battle, so they can't spare the police to come along). Government Agents Hacker, Spender, and Janice H. Riposki (yes, that is really her name!) will be coming with us. So will the three Mafia people you saw last time, they should be showing up any second now. **A big black limo pulls up behind the Ravens' vehicles. Inside are Mario, Sofia, a young Italian girl in typical teen garb with her long hair dyed violet (Nina), a short mustached and bearded guy wearing shades in a dark suit (Fabio), an elderly Italian gentleman dressed for the part and carrying an oak and ivory cane (Gino); and a middle-aged tall, dark, and handsome guy who looks like his younger brother (Antonio) driving. A camoflauge Hummer with Franco and a short and stocky goon who looks as tough as he is (Bruno) pulls in behind it.** Well, there they are now, and they brought along all but two of the rest of the family. Excellent. <grin>
Firestorm: My condolences on what happened to you at work. That's terrible! We wore our costumes to class the day before Halloween, we had fun. Nobody laughed at us, I think. Some people even flirted with Kitainia more than usual. Guess she really does look better with wings. **Kitainia directs a mock snarl at him from the front of the bike, then all the vehicles start their engines.**
MrNoying: Thanks for the offer, didn't know you lived in San Antonio. We were planning to get some rooms at a hotel (Our pal Jim "Jammer" Murdoch has an uncle in the city who owns a couple), but we'll accept your offer, too. You sure you have space for thirteen Ravens and their three government liasions? That's seventeen of us, counting the cat. Jim Noying does not have space for us, does he? Oh well. **The vehicles pull out and move into traffic.**
Wilek: Unseelie traitors? Interesting idea. Good thing I'm already planning on doing that with a certain two-faced Unseelie in my fanfic (you may have already seen him in the original series of Gargoyles as an incidental character once. No guesses, please).
Fleur: Kitainia wants me to tell you she thinks you're doing a good job with Clan Austin so far. <thumbs-up>
Todd (and all the TGS people): Just so you know, I kinda like this looming Armageddon feel, and I think you guys are doing a good job of character development, whether or not others think it's becoming too dominant. I've said it before, TGS is the best bit of apocalypse-related fiction I have so far to read, and I only want more. :) I like Madoc and the Unseelie as villains and characters, and I think it's good how you ended up having the antagonists all connected like you did with them. One thing I always liked about Gargoyles was how the villains were connected at first, then they started breaking up and each doing their own thing, but the connections still remained. You've been doing a good job on carrying that mystique over, and I've always liked to read about majorly connected antagonists battling the good guys. And if character development is happening alongside that, it's even better. <grin> I of course Merlin and his father is a promising story as well. Keep up the good work.
Another Two Cents to the Character vs. Event Debate: I am of course going for what I said above in my own fanfic saga, and trying to keep the feels of Gargoyles and the various shows I cross over with in it as well. But even I, who always try to do what I consider character-driven stories, have been accused of writing all event-driven ones by some folks. Oh well, I guess since any happening that really affects a character's life can be considered an event, and when that event is what changes a character, yes, the story can be considered both character and event-driven. A good example from Gargoyles would be Deadly Force, which was driven by the character of Broadway, but was also driven by the event of him shooting Elisa, which proved very important to the series. The character drove the story as much as the event, in my opinion. Same goes for Brooklyn and Demona's deception of him in Temptation, the whole alliance between Macbeth and Demona as well as her putting all New York into nightly stone sleep (events) both driving the City of Stone eps as well as Demona and the others' characters, and for practically every other episode of Gargoyles. The examples are too many to quote here, I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about. I guess what everyone feels the main difference between canon and TGS Gargoyles is that in the original the characters most often drove the events, and in TGS it seems like vice versa. I disagree. I think there is an equal share of both. Sure the Unseelie War is driving a lot of what happens to the characters, but at the same time the characters' actions, development, and personalities are also affecting things and determining a lot of what happens in the story. Arthur's character is the most recent example of this. Good examples from last season would be Angela and of course Lex. TGS is doing a good job so far, if they keep concentrating on the Unseelie War I won't be too mad at them. But of course I do also want to see Clifford, Thailog, Fang, the clan's struggle for equality, and all the subplots and villains that now seem to be falling by the wayside come back. And I know they will. I have confidence that TGS has a better and freer writing staff than Marvel and won't let all these good things die. ** The vehicles stop at a red light at the intersection of Congress and Riverside.**
On the subject of Ultimate Bad Guy antagonists: I agree that they can create epilogue kind of feels in eps after they're beaten. But I also believe that good characters and plots can still make an entertaining story no matter what villains the good guys have managed to defeat. I mean, look at "Generations." In that episode they managed to defeat Oberon, who was probably as close as the original series came to an ultimate bad guy antagonist. (Not that he's a bad guy, of course, but he was the antagonist in that episode.) Did the series lose face because of the epilogue feel after he was beaten? No, there were and are still many entertaining stories to be written and looked at. And many antagonists, characters, and plots both old and new. If the writers are good enough and have good contact with their fans (so they know what we want), as well as keep copies of all their stories and continue to plan ahead, and don't have some huge demands from higher up in the company hanging over their heads (like the recent Marvel X-Men writers do), then I think they can still make the story entertaining even with a beaten Ultimate Bad Guy. Or an unbeaten one driving events. TGS may have some bad points and repetition, but overall they are doing a good job continuing the show. Of course, no one is disputing that, right?
(Fic-Experience Related Stuff Alert!) I think one of the main reasons events seem to be driving TGS so much is that it's easier to write a story when an event's driving things rather than character development. For me, I always write my stories based on events and let character development occur as the characters react to it. It's easier for me to write that way, and maybe it's the same for the lot of the TGS Staff. Yet, according to various readers, my stories end up being character-driven even though major events that drive the plot always occur. The best example I can think of is "The Past Returns," where I mainly had the event of Cobra trying to kill Xanatos driving the story. But at the same time the characters of Xanatos, Mackovic, O'Neil, Goliath, Jason Canmore, and last but not least Seth also ended up majorly affecting and driving the story. Thus it turned out a both plot and character-driven tale, according to over half my feedback on it. For TGS, similar examples can be found. A good one from last season is "Something Wicked." The event: Lex becomes a cyborg. The main showcased and developed characters: Lex and Maddox, but especially Lex. That was a character-driven ep, but it was also event-driven to a large degree. Character development and event response can occur simultaneously, if it's done right it's still a good read. So far in my opinion the TGS people are doing it right. And according to most of what little feedback I'm getting, I am also. :) Hope it continues for both our series, and feel confident that it will.
One last thing on this issue. I think TGS's writing team can still write a good story after the Ultimate Bad Guy has been beaten. But of course I know I probably can't. So after I kill off the Ultimate Bad Guy in my universe (who is also Madoc), I will probably bring the saga to a close. But don't worry, any fans of me that may be reading this, that is a LONG LONG way off. I will be doing a lot with lots of characters (both Gargoyles characters like Hudson, Demona, Goliath, and Brooklyn; original characters of mine like Seth, Johnny, Changeling, Laura, Mackovic, Micheal Canmore, and O'Neil; and characters imported from other universes like Magneto and the Rose) and subplots (wait and see), as well as major events (ditto) in every work. Just wish Chris would get his server back up so I can post stuff again. Oh well, I plan to be establishing my own website somehow over Christmas Break this year, so there will eventually be another place to find it. If anyone wants to read some of my work before it gets back on the web, please feel free to e-mail me and ask.
BTW, has anyone else here noticed how sometimes the newspaper can be a really good place to get story ideas. Today I read something in the Statesman about how they're no longer requiring special counter-terrorist security teams at nuclear power plants in the US, and bam, I got an idea for a story. One that of course doesn't have a title yet, and has at least six other stories ahead of it that must come first. Still, it's good to know I am getting ideas.
(End My Own Fic Experience Comparison and Shameless Plugs)
** The light changes to green and the Ravens, etc. drive on.**
DumlaoX: Sorry about what happened with your sounds. Hope you get them fixed soon.
Heather: Another excellent anime drawing.
Deuce: That's funny. I called up your doodle's link and all I can get is a XOOM advertisement. Better check things out, my friend. I do want to see your picture.
Kathy: I at least will be patiently waiting. So, she says, will Kitainia. We both know you will eventually reveal all.
Okay, out of things to say this time. Later everyone!
** The Ravens and their allies drive on, crossing the bridge over Town Lake into Austin's downtown club and warehouse district. Unknown to them, a mohawked punk dressed in red leather on the sidewalk nearby is a member of the local Bloods and has recognized them. He also guesses where they're heading and pulls out his cell phone to alert Cutter and the other crime bosses our heroes are heading forth to take down. Uh oh. To be continued next posting! **
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Austin, TX, USA
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 10:19:48 PM
IP: atl-qbu-zpc-vty84.as.wcom.net
** Deuce runs in **
Finished scanning my doodle. Click my name to view, and please be gentle: I know I can't draw.
** Leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 10:05:45 PM
IP: dialin041.connect.ab.ca
Gracious but you people are impatient! We want our TGS and we want all the storylines revealed. One a week folks, that's all you get. It's gonna take a while so relax and enjoy them as they come.
I could start the Rory countdown I suppose.
Rory's first appearance will be in - *shakes head* Nah, you're just gonna have to be patient.
Don't you tell either, Todd!
Tah
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 09:56:17 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net
**Mandi comes in normally.**
Todd--**starts to say something, but smacks a hand over her face instead** Forget it. Forget it. I think I'll just take that to mean a resounding "No" so I don't get disappointed later, and just shut up about it for now.
Heather--Loved the pic! They look so cute!
Eddie--Caligo and Wagner???? **tries to gasp in shock, but gets seized by a coughing fit instead** Excuse me. Flu shot didn't work. I can't wait to see that!!
**sniff** Sorry if I seem so depressing. I've gone through four classes today feeling awful. I was drowning out the video in one class coughing, but I'm too behind to miss class this week.
SJ--Don't mention voting. Please don't. I got an absentee ballot mailed to me on Wednesday, put it aside to deal with two exams, then couldn't find the damn thing all weekend! And guess what the freshman next door remembered to give to me an hour ago?? I left it in the lounge Thursday night, and she waited until now! Arrrgh!!!
**She dissolves into another fit of coughing.**
Okay, that's it. I need to get to bed. *sniff* Well, after the hall meeting.
**She heads towards the door, but is intercepted by the CR lawyer, who wants her to sign a waiver accepting all responsibility in case she infects someone else in the room. Mandi coughs in his face and promptly shoves him out the window, through the glass.**
Hey, that WAS fun! Night all!
**Mandi stumbles out, as a voice croaks from outside: "Is there a doctor in the comment room? Please?"**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 09:24:08 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40
Event vs Character - I have to say that I stand behind character driven stories rather than event driven ones. Event stories are very hard to do, and there is always the temptation to try to outdo it the next time, making it harder and harder to find credible things for the characters to do after a while. Also, events tend to involve alot of characters and unless it's planned out very well there is the risk that when everything is over, you end up with a big mess. (That's how it's been in the X-Men comics for the last few years. They have had tons of events (for those of you who read the books names like Onslaught, Operation: Zero Tolerance, Psi-War, Hunt for Xavier, and soon to be War of the Magneto's should immediately jump to mind) but no real resolution. The characters pile up. They get to one place, the event happens, and then in the aftermath, subplot, and people get lost or forgotten and continuity goes to hell.)
Now TGS is very well written. The stories that have come out are great reading, and I look forward to reading it each week. But I feel that alot of things have gotten lost in the Unseelie Event. The clan's fight for equality in New York for example. You kind of get the feeling that people have gotten used to them, and even accepted them. But shouldn't a large portion of the public still view them as monsters? What about all the damage that Phoenix Rising did? Shouldn't that be on the mind of the public? Where is Clifford? What about Jason and Elisa? What about Xanatos and his continuing desire for immortality? What about Renard and his illness? Not to mention the Fang/Canmore escapes from captivity?
Also there is adding so many new characters. In Pendragon, it's completely understandable. It's basically a blank slate aside from what was done last season. It can't always be Pendragon and Griff vs Morgana, or them wandering the countryside. But I would advise that in Gargoyles it be limited. After all last season did introduce the Harrison Brothers, Doctor Goldblum, Sharon, Sara Jasper, Liz, Joann Walker, Sata and the twins, not to mention the pre-existing cast that has to be worked with.
Those are things that get lost in a big event. That doesn't make the event as it's written now less interesting. I do like what was done with Arthur in this week's episode, and Merlin as a young kid is great reading. Not everything has been lost. Liz did show up this season. Angela and Demona's relationship is progressing as is Broadway's and Angela's (although I have to say that Demona does seem to have mellowed out a bit. It's probably just Angela's influence. Still it would be nice to see that a little bit of the psychopath is still in her:)) My concern is in merging Pendragon and Gargoyles together in this big event, it may just become Gargoyles vs Unseelie at the expense of everything else. I await further episodes to show that this fear is unfounded.
And since I'm already typing this long post, I would like to ask if Timedancer has a definite date for a premiere. That series became a must read the moment that they introduced Sata and I'm dying to see their further adventures. (A request concerning Timedancer. Could there be another visit to Jerusha's time? I really am curious if Demona and Macbeth did actually kill themselves. I suspect that they failed and that the Weird Sisters finally freed them from there gift/curse, but it would be nice to actually see it in print.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:57:13 PM
IP: 5.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net
Hi guys.
I made my latest Sailor Earth pic. She's Super star Sailor Earth with Sailor Chibi Earth. Click on my name !
And , who will help me with my names for my Afican-gargoyles ?
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:48:45 PM
IP: 202-56-25.ipt.aol.com
DUMLAOX> Oh, so THAT'S why WinAmp can't play the MP3's I just got. Hope you fix 'em soon. BTW, when they ARE fixed, and I get the .zip files, should I run them through a decompressor first, or just send them straight to my player?
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:22:56 PM
IP: ppp050.connect.ab.ca
(Jim Noying enters the room, and pushes the CR Lawyer into the alligator's moat on the way in. They needed to be fed.)
Wilek- There's 3 gators, and I haven't checked their gender. The alligator repellant will keep them from attacking coment roomers, but I don't want to piss them off... They guy that gave them to Jim says one is a girl though... And I really think the whole room should get a say in their names...
By the way, to the person who emailed me with the suggestion of naming two of the gators O and J... Sorry, that's not going to happen. Simba could be a good name for one of them, but probably is too Disneyish... Anybody know any cajun names?
Fire Storm- You REALLY shouldn't have brought up the image of Griff chasing Arthur with a coconut. Now that's all I can think of! Now I'm going to have to draw the blasted thing!
Silver Arrow- If they're telling the truth, TD starts again in January... Or at least, that's the last I heard about it...
Aris- "I ate him." Now THAT'S an interesting way to cover Rory's dissapearance... (ROTFL by the way...)
Lawyer- They are alligators, not crocodiles. But you can probably tell, since they are devouring you at the moment...
SJ- Interesting method of taking care of the lawyer. I'm getting lazy, I've fed him to our new pets like three times in a row now...
(Jim pauses before leaving to think about something. Alligators are cold blooded. Can they even get rabies?)
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:22:44 PM
IP: spider-we033.proxy.aol.com
FIRE STORM-- Thanx for the addy. I'm gonna go backup my files on the ZIPs and send them over to you for CD transfer. BTW, should I go run out and get some CD-Rs for you or not?
SOUNDS-- Bad news. My sound files seem to be corrupted. All of them. I'm gonna try and find the author of the sound files, Seth "IRC Goliath" Jackson, and see if he still has the files on his comp. Let's hope he does.
Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:14:43 PM
IP: dhcp58.oac-commons.ucla.edu
CR LAWYER - You know, you might want to start posting here under an alias. Then the automatic death-traps set for you might not recognize you, and you wouldn't have to worry about them destroying you.
This place, BTW, is rapidly developing a connection with that classic line in Shakespeare's "Henry VI Part Two", "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." In this case, it seems to particularly apply to comment room lawyers.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:07:46 PM
IP: pn3-ppp-116.primary.net
(Enter CR Lawyer)
Thank you soooo much for the armor. I enjoy being burned to a crisp slowly and painfully. And I enjoy being attacked by smurfs and thrown to crocadiles. (Don't deny it, the crocadiles are meant to kill me, and you all know it.) And being injected with viruses and other such things, oh yeah, I really enjoy getting killed. (Note sarcastic tone.)
I still haven't forgiven you guys for that time someone blasted through me with an automatic machine gun. And lastly, I am being sarcastic about all of this. I do not enjoy being killed, I just wish to join in the convers...
(A random passerby in the room took the statement litterally, and immediatley kills the CR Lawyer. However, this death is too grizly for this particular audience, use your imagination on how.)
CR Lawyer
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:04:29 PM
IP: spider-we033.proxy.aol.com
BATYA - Who's Tim Hunter?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 06:41:26 PM
IP: pn3-ppp-116.primary.net
TODD> So "Tim" was referring to the horned wizard in Monty Python's Holy Grail movie?
Darn...here I thought you were referring to Tim Hunter.
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 05:46:34 PM
IP: s24h106.lab.qc.edu
Kathy: Fair enough. Although it does seem that you're the evil genius coming up with everything this season ;)
Todd: No, maybe not Fred or Tim… but maybe something less difficult to spell ;) Though Emrys (sp?) seems quite a fitting name. Probably 'cause I'm used to it.
(Madoc) Thanks for explaining that. Well, yes I agree it's a good idea, but I really don't think it's quite appropriate in TGS. That said, Maddox was a delightful villain in Gargoyles, but I think him being Madoc seemed… flawed? It was fine up until the end of REPRISALS, but now he's here all the time, he seems to have lost his… impact. Maddox was an incredible manipulative villain and guessing what he was going to do next was very difficult (well, for me, but then it took CONSEQUENCES to prove to me finally that he was really bad :)). Madoc is a fairy trying to take over Avalon… it's nice, but it's not quite the same.
MrNoying: I like Brook too, but even he was getting a tad stale towards the end of last season. I was actually surprised at the scale TGS took for the Timedancer spin off. I believe Greg said that he'd be having it as a 13 ep series… that sounds pretty good to me. Or bring the saga full circle in the last season, and maybe go onto a Future Tense (or G2158 as it is now) spinoff if they wanted to fill in the gaps. In fact it's odd… the TD stories were largely too detached (some nice efforts there, though) and the TGS: G&P eps this season have generally been too one tracked.
Nicodemus: You've hit the nail right on the head there.
MDY: State schools more relaxed? You reckon? Evidently you haven't been to mine ;)
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 05:40:40 PM
IP: modem-40.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk
Hey, all!
Coyote: No prob...expect it before the week's out.
Firestorm: Nope...it was named after a Hawkwind compilation, including songs like "Urban Guerilla", "Psychedelic Warlords", "Uncle Sam's on Mars", "Sonic Attack." If you're familiar with my fanfic, it stars Luach and Kathryn, and it is a Scriptae Caligorum volume...the longest that might exist...okay, I'll tell everyone a little more...Oberon is the antagonist, and not anything is as it seems...
Speaking of which, I would like to give everyone far warning that Stormy and myself are starting a compilation of short skits staring our characters, chiefly Caligo and Wagner...in rather comical scenarios...be on the look out in the archive when it gets back up for fics by "Caligo and Wagner"...heh heh heh....
--Ed
Eddie - [amy@gcolor.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 05:29:49 PM
IP: gcolor.com
**Sevarius Jr. and Frankenstein's Monster are taking a much needed breather from the Battle to Area 51.**
Whoo! Boy, you know Frank, this mindless violence stuff takes a lot outta ya!
First off, a public service announcement: **SJ and Frank each put on buttons that say "I voted!"**
IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH, AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, GO OUT AND VOTE!!!! Really, it's important. Our leaders may be clowns/adulterers/really big cheats, but hey, we put them there! If you want a better government, go out and make one! Go do your part and be a true American!
****WARNING: SLIPPERY WHEN WET. SPOILERS ARE AHEAD, SO WATCH YOUR STEP*****
I love vampires! I love movies, stories, games, etc. dealing with vampires! This was the perfect story for Halloween. Outstanding job, ladies and gents!
****THE PRECEDING ANNOUNCEMENTS HAVE BEEN PAID FOR BY NCBS--THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF BLOODSUCKERS.****
Rabid alligators: Awwww, aren't they cute! Look at that one, he's foaming at the mouth! Can I keep one? How about Simba? Can I name one Simba? Hmmm...maybe that name's a little too Disney.
**All of a sudden the CR Lawyer appears.**
"I'm afraid that the name 'Simba' has been copyrighted. Any further use of it will require a lawsuit on behalf of Mr. Eisner."
SJ looks at the CR, a strange gleam in his eyes. "So," he sneers, "is that it?"
"Yes."
The veins in SJ's neck pop out. "I....I won't....kill you. I must try to...to reform psychotic tendencies..."
The CR Lawyer smiles. "Really?"
SJ sighs. "I can't kill you." He smiles at Frank. "But he will!"
Frankenstein abruptly twists the lawyer's head off.
"Thanks, Frank. C'mon, I'll buy you a cold one."
**SJ and Frank depart in search of a beverage stand, dodging a few killer cyborgs along the way....**
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 04:27:14 PM
IP: 207-172-54-214.s214.tnt16.brd.erols.com
Off-topic strutting and preening > Click on my name to see what Steve Jackson has to say in today's "Daily Illuminator." Another high five for my book! ; )
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 12:51:19 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net
Sorry, Mandi, but I'm not at liberty to answer that question.
I just remembered a particularly amusing creativity demon that somebody (I forget who) posted in the original Comment Room last year about this time. The CD involved "virtual reality gargoyle pets" (kind of like giga pets, only different), which even get their own little annoying commercial in the Gargoyles Universe. Brooklyn watches that commercial and comments, "Oh, great! Now lots of little Quarrymen will be having a great time watching their Gargoyle giga pets starve to death!"
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 11:29:33 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-138.primary.net
*** Deuce enters, stepping on a loose smurf who refused to beat up the lawyer ***
FIRE STORM & ZATH> This swallow thing? It sounds familiar. Where's it from?
COYOTE> Eighty-four dollars for your scanner? Where? When? AARRGGHH! Mine is a nice Hewlett-Packard, color, OCR, the works, yadayada, and for over $220. Boo-hoo. Ah, well....
PICTURES> I drew a really funny-looking catgoyle in French class the other day. Submission-quality it ain't; I can't draw worth beans. It's ballpoint pen on lined paper (OK, it's a doodle, but a long-worked on, pain-stakingly drawn doodle). Would anyone like to see it? I'll scan it after school.
CR LAWYER> Catch! *Deuce tosses the lawyer a suit of armor, which the lawyer gladly accepts*
Well, gotta run now... and can you believe I haven't read the new episode yet? I've gotta do that tonight. See y'all later!
*** Deuce leaves, pressing a button on a remote control in his pocket. The interior of the CR lawyer's armor heats up to over 2,000¼, and a faint scream is heard as he is incinerated. ***
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 10:20:08 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net
Todd--Did excluding Rory extend to Breakdowns for Season 2? That is, I understand why we haven't seen or heard about Rory at all, but should we expect to have him show up at all this season?? If so, towards the middle? Near the end? Since Leba was included, I'm assuming that something of "The Tain" made it into breakdowns, but now I'm not so sure.
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:57:20 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40
RORY - Actually, a major reason why Rory hasn't returned since "The Tain" or even been mentioned is that we genuinely weren't certain that we were going to show that episode last season. It barely got finished in time, and was a serious struggle to complete, because it was given the short shaft during Breakdowns. (Actually, "Pendragon" was generally given the short shaft during Breakdowns, largely because it was more Arthurian-oriented than Gargoyles-oriented, and therefore it was harder to drum up interest from the bulk of the staff). We therefore had to keep Rory out of "Quest's End", even mentioned, so that there wouldn't be a continuity error if we had to lose "The Tain".
UNSEELIE CONTROVERSY - Actually, I'll admit that a lot of the Unseelie War business (and the problem with it that people have brought up here I have noticed) is largely my fault, out of an idea that I'd had for TGS when we started planning it. In a lot of medieval Arthurian romances, Merlin was said to be the son of the Devil by a human woman, the idea being that the Devil wanted to create a half-human child of his who would serve him in corrupting the world; Merlin, however, was saved by the intervention of his tutor, Blaise, who saw to it that he was reared to use the powers that he had inherited from his father for a good cause (bringing about King Arthur's reign) rather than in the Devil's service. After that, nothing more is said about Merlin's parentage, and I'd long felt that this was something that needed to be picked up in the Arthurian stories: how did the Devil respond to the discovery that his plan had failed and that his son had refused to serve him? How did Merlin feel about the original destiny that he had been intended for by his father? This struck me as a promising story, and one that I felt should be written.
Since Merlin was clearly going to have to show up in the projected "Gargoyles continuation" that TGS was designed as, thanks to Arthur and Griff's quest for him, I decided to suggest the whole "Madoc business" to the staff as a means of fulfilling this desire of mine, although I altered the identity of Merlin's father to that of an evil and corrupt faerie to avoid potential religious controversy. In the actual design, however, I think that I blew it in having Madoc's designs extend so thoroughly into the main series as well as in the "Pendragon" spin-off. I think that, if I'd planned it out more carefully, Madoc would have been confined almost entirely to "Pendragon" as Merlin's specific nemesis and just one of several antagonists for Arthur and his friends (alongside the Illuminati and Morgana, who would be most likely to take the lead roles for the villains), and without the "Looming Armageddon" tone. Well, what's done can't be undone, and at least I think that we've learned something from it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 07:09:31 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-147.primary.net
I don't have a lot of time right now. I hope I'll be able to post my review tonight, rather than after two weeks.
Anyway I was thinking the Rory situation a little more, and I understood that the thing that was bothering me, wasn't only that we didn't see him, but that he's not even mentioned. How about the following? (You may insert it in any Pendragon story)
Griff> Hey, whatever happened to Rory? Wasn't he supposed to help us out?
Arthur> Yeah, however he couldn't leave his old dad all alone. He's going to work and get some money for him. Ofcourse he can't leave his dad then either. He has to find a girl and get married first, have two and a half children, help raise them so that his dad is well taken care of by his grandchildren. Then he'll join us. Ofcourse in the meantime we found Merlin and we will have defeated Madoc and after that the space-spawn invasion. But hey! We could use him to help babysit little Artus, the son of Angela and Broadway, hatched in 2018.
What do you think? Then again there's another far simpler alternative:
Griff> Hey, whatever happened to Rory?
Arthur> I ate him.
Okay, I'm just joking. I just had to tell you this little creativity demon.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 05:51:16 AM
IP: pc-28.di.uoa.gr
Hi all,
*** TGS Spoilers Follow ****
On the whole, a great ep, but I can't help feeling that Arthur's confrontation with Sevarius felt a little too short. Perhaps if he'd had to deal with a couple of vamps first before confronting Sev (who didn't really have time to work up to his usual full ranting best).
It just seemed a little brief towards the end, to me.
ED> agree on the use of 'a lot of quid' it isn't used like that. 'A few quid' is used commonly, or 'a lot of cash/money', but not the other, but the general UK portrayal is pretty much spot on. Although it seems that Emrys has been enrolled in a private school, state schools tend to be rather more relaxed (And use cheap plastic/metal seating).
*** End Spoilers ***
MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKTuesday, November 3, 1998 04:20:00 AM
IP: 195.195.164.140
Blood Contracts> Actually, blood magic's been used in a number of cultures around the world. It wasn't ever so much the blood that was important, though, as it was the idea that the person using the blood was in fact using a part of their life-force in the magic-making. Therefore, blood magic was considered quite potent. (Whether the magic was good or evil is a different matter, though. A lot of the Mayan rituals in particular used "interesting" ways to get blood.)
Event vs. Character> I've noticed a few comments about how it's thought that TGS is becoming a bit too "event-driven", what with this Unseelie thing. Actually, for a while, there was something of a discussion in the TGS ranks concerning this as well.
You see, character-driven stories have a lot more staying power than event-driven stories. Event-driven stories focus on 'the event', some force of nature or cosmic destiny which the characters have to react to. Of course, the 'event' has to eventually end, and afterwards the 'good guys' have either totally won (with the 'bad guys' being smashed beyond repair) or totally lost. These kinds of stories generally have a finite lifespan (as evidenced by all the fantasy trilogies out there).
Character-driven stories, meanwhile, are essentially biographies of the characters. They can cover decades of time, and have any number of new or old characters walk on or off stage. So they can and have lasted for dozens of stories (witness Sherlock Holmes, or any successful mystery novel character).
Anyway, I'm hoping the TGS people know what they're doing, because I was rather leery about this whole Unseelie war thing and how it would be resolved. It's a great idea, but if it's not handled _carefully_ then any further episodes of TGS will risk having an 'epilogue' feel. (I mean, let's face it: once you've kicked the UBG's (Ultimate Bad Guy) butt, anything else seems pretty paltry by comparison. Future nemeses will have the risk of bringing about a "Yeah, they may _look_ tough, but that's nothing compared to (fill in the blank)! We _know_ the good guys can kick these pretenders' butts!" reaction.)
By the way, I'm being realistic here; I'm not trying to intentionally insult the rest of the TGS crew.
Other stuff> A belated Happy Halloween to everyone, and a belated (in some cases _extremely_ belated) b-day to everyone who's had one since last I was here!
Nicodemus
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 04:00:57 AM
IP: 209-63-247-213.smf.jps.net
Thank you all for your support!
Wilek: I've noticed that too myself!
All: As for the rest of your comments, I REALLY wish I could do that, but matters of losing my job or trouble with the boys in blue.
But if I were to do some of that secretly...
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 02:22:56 AM
IP: dhcp186.visitus.net
A silver mist slowlys appears into the room to form a woman who comes in angrily.
"When is TimeDancer going to start?"
SilverArrow Shouts loudly!!!!!!!!
Silver Arrow - [slvrairo@san.rr.com]
CA
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 02:20:34 AM
IP: dt0d0n6c.san.rr.com
Oops! Sorry for the mistake on my last post. It was Rolling Calf who called down the plague of smurfs on the CR Lawyer, not Wilek. I give each of you (TRC and Wilek, not the lawyer or the smurfs) permission to smack me once. (but you can't save it and do it later. If you do that, I'll smack back)
Zath
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 02:07:16 AM
IP: ns3-11.viptx.net
*The TV set bursts into life. Fleur finishs off a merc, then turns to make a comment.*
Wow this place fills up fast!
Sorry if I scared anyone with my absence. RL was keeping me busy, and then the computer crashed.
Wilek> Good luck.
IRC> Ouch! I'd give you a hand, but..*a merc leaps out of nowhere, lashing out at Fleur. She blocks his shot, hits him, then pushes him in the direction of Red, Clan Austin's Beast, who sits on him. There is the sound of breaking ribs.* Well, you get the picture. Can't wait to see how you get out of this one.
Mr Noying> Tigger is my hero and Pooh is my mentor. :)
Firestorm> What a horrible thing to happen. My advice- Laxatives in the coffee pot. That'll stop them laughing. >:)
TTFN!
*With the mercenaries either dead, dying, or in no condition to do anything, Fleur and Clan Austin run to the steel door that leads downstairs. Although it is locked, the team is equipped with the ultimate Lock-pick - Alamo. (_really_ strong silent type FYI) Once the door is nothing more than twisted metal, the team descends into the Marsh building.* To be continued...
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 02:00:01 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au
**Zath enters, not really doing anything special this time.**
Fire Storm> Your costume sounds cool. Do you have a picture of you wearing it? <<What... is the air speed of a unladen swallow?>> African or European? On no! I just got a picture in my head that everyone must have gotten at one point or another, Griff following Arthur around, banging a couple of coconut shells together!! **starts bashing head on wall** It won't go away, IT WON'T GO AWAY!!!!!
I wonder which Gargoyles character best fits the character of the Black Knight? (I picture Demona as the french guy in the castle, and Sevarius as the guy at the bridge. I don't know why; I just do.)
Kitty vs. The White Bunny... This time there's no Holy Hand Grenade to stop the carnage! "RUN AWAY!!!"
Coyote> Wow, was it on sale? What's the resolution? (Really, I shouldn't bother asking becaues even if I could afford one, I don't have anywhere to put it at the moment, unless I wanted to crawl under the table whenever I wanted to scan something, but I want to know anyway.)
Wilek> A plague of smurfs? Are you sure that's wise? What if all those smurf bites turn him into a weresmurf or something? **Just then, the full moon rises. The CR Lawyer sits up (he had been lying dead in a corner) and snarls. He doubles over and begins to turn blue and change like Demona does every night, but the only thing that grows is a tail about the size and shape of a medium sized orange. He strips off all his clothes until the only thing he is wearing is a pair of white long-johns and a pair of boxers on his head (smurfs must have an instinctual urge to wear funny hats). "Wouldn't you know this just had to happen the one day I leave my nifty weapons at home." Zath tries to beat him off with a sharp stick and in the process, stabs the weresmurf in the arm.** Eeeeew... He's bleeding stinky blue toilet-bowl cleaner! Anyone need their bathroom disinfected? **Just then, the CR janitor runs into the room, lassoes the weresmurf, and drags him away, muttering something about finding the mother-lode.**
MrNoying> Thailog Horror is doing fine, thanks for asking. He's still a little miffed about me eating his liver, but I'm sure he'll get over that eventually. I got him a new one didn't I? My one worry is that there may be trouble if the original Thailog finds out about him, but I'll save that for another post >: )
Time for me to go to bed, G'night everyone!
**To make up for the lousy entrance, Zath decides leave the room by sliding out through the little crack under the door.**
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 01:56:38 AM
IP: ns3-11.viptx.net
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, two Doom Commando cyber garg imps, the bikers, TRC, SJ, and Frankie are in the tunnels. Wilek, Jake, and the imps are just finishing up with the computer, and apparently TRC's gotten into trouble.] We haven't found out any more about Thailog's operation, but we've gotten enough to help us immensely--namely a map of the tunnels, our current location, and a way to circumvent the cyberlock on the door to Area 51. I've sent word to the Dark Star and they're going to send us 10 mark II Dark Trooper droids (which are from Dark Forces, so no cyber cookie).
****WARNING BEGINNING AGAIN SPOILERS PLEASE PICK UP YOUR GARLIC NECKLACE AND ROSARY AT THE DOOR BEFORE PROCEEDING****
It's about stinkin' time we heard about vampires!!! I was wondering when everyone's second favorite creatures of the night (after gargs of course) would be showing up. I loved that ep--and I have a real bad feeling about that chair.
****END SPOILERS YOU MAY NOW PUT DOWN YOUR WOODEN STAKES****
Doug> Thanks. <<perhaps there are some Unseelies who want the war to move faster than it is?>> I think you're right. There may also be any number of Unseelies who are planning to actually help Madoc overthrow Oberon and then take him down and take his throne while he's still consolidating his power (like the Weird Sisters or certain of my own WCC characters).
Zath> <<writhing mass of horny gators>> I made the mistake of reading that while taking a drink of soda. Laughing while drinking soda spreads it quite effectively.
Fleur> I'm so glad to see you; I thought something ghastly had happened to you in the Marsh Building.
Coyote> It's OK about the maggot thing. And believe me, putting a dog to sleep counts. And I've noticed the numerous similarities between my Miriam and Mary Dahl's. However, the other, evil Miriam had vastly different eye and hair color and a much different voice, and my Miriam would never do such immoral things for that kind of psychopath. Still...they are eerily, eerily similar. What if they're related? Or the evil Miriam is a clone? Well, if she's a clone, she's dead now thanks to the clone-degenerative virus. (Maybe...) I'd be interested in seeing the outcome of a fight between them. You're right about how they're so very, very similar. Hey, I think I'll add "professional butt kicker" to Miriam's job description; she does that kind of thing all the time. Especially lately (ie this RP). Hmm, Buick in a tank...<shudders>
SJ> I forgive you for all the clones. Besides, you didn't even make the psychotic clones of me and Coyote.
TRC> It's OK about Raoul; we all make mistakes.
It takes someone here only 20 minutes to draw submission-quality pics?! MAN! I can't draw at all!!!
Todd> Actually, I kind of like the "I shall have to hurt you" one. ^_^
Fire Storm> You do kewl things when you're ticked, do you know that? :) But serioiusly, if that had happened to me, Miriam would start taking names and carrying out her job description of professional butt kicker. (Thank you SO MUCH Coyote!!!) And I would be right there beside her, also kicking butt. Although I wouldn't be doing it professionally like Miriam would.
MrNoying> I'll name the gators. How many are there and what genders are they?
Well, TRC told us to go ahead without him (hope you'll be OK pal), so we'd better...oh wait, we'd better not go anywhere until those DTII's get here or they'll never find us. [Sudden;y. two scuttlers come around the corner.] OH SHOOT! [The scuttlers proceed to do so. To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
No, Kitty! Not the lucky albino squirrel!
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 12:48:15 AM
IP: tnt-1-229-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
(Jim noying enters the comment room with a rather large shovel. Mare comes in behind him with a water bucket.
"Don't mind me! I'm just digging a moat for our new rabid alligators! No one minds do they? It IS a big room after all!)
Speaking of the comment room's new pets, we still need names for these gators! Ideas anyone? Or are you just not accepting them yet?
Just saw CATS. Excellent costumes, good music and dancing, and the story was... Was there a story?
SJ- Thanks for explaining the Coyote the (Shudder) Barney thing to me... Hope nothing else happens like that again... Ah well, if it does, we can feed all misfit clones to the gators!
Zath-Hope Thailoh Horror makes it. I like how you killed the lawyer by the way. (No offense CR)
Rolling calf- I however, do not like what you did to the lawyer. Come on, when we kill him, it's usually painful, but quick! Slow torture with smurfs... Isn't that a bit extreme? I mean, SOMEONE had to have hired him before I arrived...
DumlaoX-Early preview of Bug's Life? NO FAIR!
Doug- Oh no, you guys are coming to my home town... Agg! Ah well, don't make a mess, and don't bring anything shiny, and you can stay with Jim Iza Noying while you're here. Wait, he nearly drove Thailog insane... Having you crash with him might be a bad idea...
Firestorm- You have reason to be pissed about the way your costume was treated! Here, take the new comment room pets with you to work tomarrow...
(Jim begins digging, and Mare watches. After half an hour, Jim has dug a hole about three centimeters deep, and a foot wide. Mare takes over, and proceeds to dig a proper moat in minutes, and then constructs a drawbridge before anyone else comes to the comment room. It is now safe for wanted comment roomers to come... It is at about this point the CR Lawyer arrives.
"All right lawyer, whats the password?"
"What password?"
"Dang, he knew it. Come on in."
"I just want to point out that you have not yet been authorized to dig a moat, build a bridge, or leave those RABID ALLIGATORS in here! Thus I am now forced to..." The lawyer pulls out a shiny pen and clipboard. Jim leans forward to grab the pen, and accidentally pushes the lawyer into the moat, where he is quickly devoured.
"Ooops. You think anyone will be mad?"
"Naaaah.")
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, November 3, 1998 12:10:54 AM
IP: spider-to073.proxy.aol.com
Hi All. I am back! I haven't even been lurking! I just haven't had the time.
Let me tell you how MY All Hallows eve went...
It all started Tuesday when a co-worker told me that some people were going to dress up for Halloween to work Saturday. So on my day off, Friday, I bought the stuff for my face costume (Latex attatchments (Horns, Klingon ridges, etc.)) and both Lady Mystic and I worked all night on finishing my wings. I actually went to bed at 4 am and the beatuiful, charming, and VERY nice Lady Mystic stayed up to finish my costume because she knew how much it meant to me.
So I got up a few hours early to put on my makeup and finish my wings. When I got to work, guess what happened:
Only one other person came in a costume.
And all but two of them laughed at my costume.
After THREE years of working on the wings.
After all the work on my face.
They laughed at the costume that I made. They LAUGHED at ME and me as a GARGOYLE!
*THEY WILL ALL PAY!*
<Fire Storm roars as his skin and coat burn and turn to flame. Still covered in flame and roaring, the enraged now gargoyle Night Flame roars upward. The clouds in the sky above the CR gather and spiral like a hurricane. In the CR, the wind becomed deafening. A massive bolt of lightning strikes Night Flame, causing him to crouch. He rapidly stands, spreading his wings and chanting latin. The energy from the lightning pulses out in waves, causing the skin of all of Office Depot 227 workers (except those that didn't laugh) to burn off of thier screaming bodies, but leaves the people in the CR alone. (Except the CR lawyer. He dies just because it makes me feel better.)>
"OH MY GOD! HE KILLED KENNY! YOU BA..."
<Hunter Fire Storm runs into the CR, aims his 125 inch cannon at the kid, and fires before he can finish.>
"I's REALLY HATE South Park. Cummon Bubba. Let's git."
Yes. I am pissed about the costume.
NEW CHRISTINE STORIES! YEAH!
(I will read them as soon as I catch up on the CR's. :(
YEAH! New MERLIN MISSY STORY!
(DITTO!)
Todd: Merlin=Tim is from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
What is your name?
Whats your mission?
What... is the air speed of a unladen swallow?
(And I don't care if someone else did anwser. :P
Eddie: (Ambient Anarchists) And relation to the Anarchists cook book? <G>
Coyote: What brand of scanner?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, November 2, 1998 10:54:07 PM
IP: dhcp218.visitus.net
** Whoops, meant to say that I only look like I'm about to throw up, I don't actually do it. Being as big a horror movie fan as I am, no way am I that squeamish. **
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, November 2, 1998 10:39:22 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zom-vty96.as.wcom.net
** The screen comes on again. Doug and the Ravens have finished their information gathering and now Kitainia and Doug are walking down the Drag back to their apartment. They have found out a lot, and plan to get some rest before tackling the gangs' main hideout, whose location they learned from a drag rat friend named Ezra, tomorrow. **
We found out a lot. The gangs are moving up their operations all over town. Protection demands, assaults, muggings, robberies, vandalism, the illegal buying and selling of banned and stolen goods, just about everything they're into. Their main hideout is an old run-down club in the Warehouse District called "Vibes and Octanes." It's attached to a complex of warehouses, drug factories, and two small office buildings. Next post, we'll attack the place and hopefully take it out. Wish us luck, people. This comes so soon after the last mess we got into. Sigh, heroes' work is never finished. :)
Todd: Thanks from me as well for all that information. I also hope you don't make Garlon start saying "Poit!", "Narf!", "Egad!", and similar phrases.
Okay, if one counts family dogs as loved ones, then I have lost them too. Three of them in fact. Every time it was painful. Oh well, that's part of I don't own a dog anymore, besides the fact that they're expensive and the apartment doesn't allow them.
Nicodemus: I too look forward to the follow-up. Thank you for sharing your story.
(Shameless Plug Alert!) If anyone wants a copy of some of my fanfic before the archive gets back up, please feel free to e-mail me. (End Plug)
My Two Cents on the Character Debate: One thing I've always liked about Gargoyles is that they advanced all the characters along with the plot. The conflict was there and dominating, but the characters were also developed as they dealt with it. So far, I think TGS has done a good job of carrying over that quality. Especially with Lex, Angela, Demona, and Xanatos. If they want to use new characters and a somewhat long and repetitive plot to develop all their characters both old and new, that is perfectly within their rights and okay with me. Their plots and characters have all been fine so far, as close to the original show as I've ever seen a fanfic universe come. I'll be happy if they keep up the good work, and I know they will. :)
Fleur: Welcome back. Glad we didn't have to come rescue you. See you again soon, hopefully.
Kyryn: Yep, we'll be heading for San Antone as soon as we mop these gangs up. Binky's circus is the next Thailog-influenced group of bad guys on our list of planned investigations. Maybe we'll also have another encounter there with representatives of the Fundamentalist Extreme. Along with the planned battles on the evil Circus's train and midway, and visits to the River Walk, the Alamo, Spur Stadium (can't recall the proper name for it), and Fiesta Texas.
Coyote: Sure, we'll be glad to have you and Buick along. Gearhead too, if he's also coming. Wonder who your personal enemies are among Asil's growing army. Bring the tank with you when you get to Austin, please. We might need it when we attack the gangs' hideout complex next time. It is able to shoot down enemy aircraft, right? I think the Yakuza and Mafia each own a couple helicopters we might want to take out. Looking forward to your next fic on Nov. 10 (Or will this one be delayed some?).
Run out of things to say for now, talk to y'all next time. Later.
** Doug and Kitainia enter their apartment complex and walk up to their door. Doug tests the knob when he gets home, as he has been doing every time since the burglary, and finds the door is unlocked. "Uh oh," he says to Kitainia, and they both draw their guns. They open the apartment door, see and hear no one, and then breathe sighs of relief. They then search the place and sigh in relief again as they find nothing missing. Then Kitainia screams and Doug throws up as they find the corpse of their informant Shallow Mouth in the bathtub, torn to pieces and drowned. A soaked note that says, "This pig traitor is dead. Soon you shall join him." and signed by Asil is pinned to the corpse's jacket. Kitainia and Doug look at each other and growl, regretting SM's demise and vowing revenge on Asil as soon as they find her or vice versa. The screen then goes blank. To be continued.**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, November 2, 1998 10:37:37 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zom-vty96.as.wcom.net
**Coyote enters the room. That's all, nothing special.**
Hey again, all.
Replies go like this:
TRC/Kyryn: I kept the mourning band on my horn for a year based on the tradition of widows mourning for a full year wearing black (a practice which I believe died sometime around the turn of the century). It was easier that way. I had band pictures taken with the horn like that, marched with it that way (marched at Bands of America in Indianapolis with the band on!), played in the jazz band that way, etc. I just did it because the family had lost its patriarch saxophonist.
And thanks for letting me know that dogs are accepted as loved ones. This particular dog is still my favorite among all the dogs I've had (by far he was the smartest; the problem with the ones I've got now is that one is a moron and the other is lazy.).
Kyryn again: November 13th. That's all I have to say about that. Let's see how the outcome turns out in Hockeytown, shall we? And thanks for the compliment on the fic.
(Did I ever mention that my lucky day is always on Friday the 13th?)
Eddie: Should have mentioned this in the mail I sent earlier, but send me a copy of "Ambient Anarchists."
Zath: The scanner I just bought cost $84 after sales tax. Just to give you an idea (and it's a color scanner, too!).
***RP related, if you're not interested please look away now.***
Doug/Kitainia: I heard that among that group of your personal enemies is a couple of mine. Mind if I join you?
**Buick drives up in quite possibly the largest vehicle he has ever driven; an M-1 Abrams tank. Coyote climbs in, assuming the gunnery station.**
Okay, doggie, let's get this show on the road!
**Buick spins the treads on the tank for a second, then they find traction and the tank speeds out of the room.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 2, 1998 10:13:31 PM
IP: 207.91.254.59
** The screen lights up. Kitainia, Doug, and the other Ravens are on the Drag, the area of Guadalupe St. that is lined with shops on one side and on the other by the UT campus. Their government minders are with them, Hacker and Spender moving into shops and talking to various people along with all the Ravens about the Yakuza and Mafia. Three Italian-American people in dark suits are also with the Ravens this time around. One is a scrawny slick-backed-hair young Sonny Corleone type; one a huge, musclebound, and wide-mustached thug with brass knuckles, and one is a blonde Sicilian girl carrying a shoulder bag. Kitainia finishes her conversation with a "drag rat" punk street bum and then turns to make comments. **
Greetings, everyone. Since the circus won't be in the area for some time yet, we've decided to check out the operations of the Bennatruce Mafia crime family. We spoke to Gino, the head of their rival Gambini family, who as everyone knows are friends of mine. He's heard that they've joined forces with the Sumata Yakuza clan, the local Bloods gang, and a gang of Russian thugs that came to town recently. Boris's family has a history with their leader Gennady Bucharev, who helped his great-grandparents get out of Russia and into America during the Lenin Revolution for a heavy price in money, pain, and slave labor (They were illegal immigrants, of course). Bad guys. Now they too are in Austin, there's about seven of them. G.B., his nephew Mikhail, Mik's lawyer wife Nikita, three thugs, and an Owen-esque accountant. These thugs are all moving up in the Austin area, trying to take over the underworld. Of course, they also have connections with Thailog. Gino told Mario, Franco, and Sofia here to stay with us while we find out what's up with these criminals and take them down. His family does have an interest in it, after all. Right now, we are on the Drag, one of Austin's largest petty crime areas, gathering more information. Now, let me respond to other things.
Todd: Okay, we'll start trying to call him by his right name. Emrys. Got it. Thanks for that and all the interesting info on real-life gargoyles. <thumbs-up>
SJ: I bear you no ill will about Asil. I understand that she was a huge mistake on your part. We will treat her as the evil psycho villainess she is, and not forget her, but we will not hold that against you. Don't worry. Thanks for your support.
Coyote: Well, you did a good job on it. I like his new face much better than the old. Looking forward to seeing the finished pic, keep up the good work on it and everything else you're up to.
Green Baron: Happy All Souls' Day to you, too. It certainly is a good day to remember the dead for all cultures. Today at UT there was a public celebration of it on the West Mall put on by the Hispanic and Mexican-American Culture Commitees. It was very interesting.
Thanks for taking care of the last three fundamentalists for us. Of course, we are going to arrange things later so that they survive their experiences in those countries and come out even more angry and intolerant. Then they'll get together with Asil and come afer us for revenge, uh oh!
Nicodemus: Thanks for sharing your story. I too am looking forward to seeing a follow-up to FOTS, hope it comes out soon for our enjoyment.
Missy: Either that or they've seen Mel Brooks's comedy "History of the World: Part 1." He had an Inquisition game show on that, I think. But I wouldn't know. I don't watch shows like Hysteria.
Core Characters Issue: Well if one considers that the Unseelie Court have also become core characters of TGS by now, I suppose all the eps concerning them can be justified. But I too must admit I would like to see as much of the original characters as I am seeing now of the new ones. And I have confidence that sometime this season I will get to see it.
Lawrence: Doug and I aren't pagan, per se, but we do have friends who are. Pagan beliefs and traditions have also been major influences on and some have even become part of our own religious beliefs, along with lots of other things. I think we've already explained those beliefs in here, so I won't bother doing it again.
TRC: Okay, but we will still worry a lot about you until we know how you survived that cave-in. ;)
Kyryn: Yep, that's one of the places where we got the name Black Ravens. I was once and still am a huge Forever Knight fan. The Gargoyles character, Amanda, Edgar Allan Poe, and the two Crow movies were also contributors. Stephanie was the one who designed the symbol, she's a fan of all these shows as well.
That's all for now, later!
** Our heroes walk on down the Drag, continuing their information gathering. Meanwhile, on the other side of town, Asil is speaking with Giovanni Bennatruce, Gennady Bucharev, Iori Sumata, and Cutter Forbes, the leaders of the four criminal gangs listed above. They all pledge their support to her forces. Kitainia's evil clone nods, leaves the meeting room, and then indulges herself with a long bout of maniacal laughter. Tune in to see what happens next post! **
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Austin, Texas, USA
Monday, November 2, 1998 09:57:38 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zom-vty96.as.wcom.net
<Kyryn, having left the CR for awhile, glides in and perches on the rafters to avoid the rabid alligators>
Whew! I finally got done reading everything posted since Friday, Coyote's new fic, and the new episode!
Heather> Loved the pics. 20 minutes. I'm jealous. On the computer it takes me at least an hour and a half, on paper, probably a day- more if I'm inking.
Todd> the Demona idea- ROTFL.
Spike> the pic - LOL
Aris> The blood contract is used in a number of societies. It isn't necessarily demonic. Blood is regarded as powerful and mystical, hence it's use in oaths, healings, curses, etc.
Starsinger> Goliath vs. a velociraptor - now that, I wanna see!
Kitainia> When you mentioned the Ravens' symbol, I thought of the one from the Raven in the early seasons of Forever Knight.
Merlin Missy> vacuum - groan
Doug> Creativity demons - LOL. Also, I happened to see one of the guys with the huge cross on wheels today. He was walking along the HWY 90 heading east from Uvalde towards San Antonio. (Maybe it's all part of the ongoing plot. After all, you guys are headed to San Antonio at some point)
Deuce> It's snowing? It's 77 here in Uvalde. Of course, it was 48 with wind chill to 37 when I left Denton (North Texas) at 5 this morning.
Coyote> Of course dogs count when we count the losses of loved ones. All our pets are family too, and many of them leave just as big a hole as a person does when we lose them.
BTW- consolations since the best team won.
However, congratulations on an excellent fic.
On loss of loved ones - I've lost 2 grandmothers, 1 grandfather, and 2 family dogs over the years. I've written eulogy poems for all of them. In fact, part of the eulogy for my grandfather, was the poem I wrote. It was read at the graveside service. It helped because I couldn't be there.
SPOILERS********
I liked the ep. I was glad to see Leba come back. A bard is always a useful person when dealing with the fae. Bards have their own brand of magic in the music that they make. I also like the fact that the London clan is starting to take an active role in things. I was kind of wondering when that would happen.
Regarding the math issue - consider how much math has changed in the time that Merlin has been alive. He hasn't really needed it, as a grown-up. Of course it's going to be hard. Especially since his learning skills are probably rather rusty. I know that it was hard for me to start again, and it had only been six years since I was in school.
TGS writers> I did spot one possible typo. Near the end you refer to Faulc as 'The antlered gargoyle'. I thought he was the hawklike one.
END SPOILERS*******
G'night everyone. I'm going to go home and crash in a short while
<Kyryn slowly glides out the window>
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Monday, November 2, 1998 09:45:13 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
Ack! *throws a "Spoilers" warning onto his last post* Sorry about that, guys! It slipped my mind.
Entity
Monday, November 2, 1998 09:25:03 PM
IP: ely-oh2-11.ix.netcom.com
Doug> I thought the bit about vamps, etc. being the result of Unseelie experiments was pretty cool myself. :)
Nicodemus> Haven't seen you around in ages. Well, just thought I'd let you know that your legacy lives on in TGS. One of your outlines from way back when is being written for this season, by me. I hope you get a chance to read it. And I hope it meets your expectations!
Entity
Monday, November 2, 1998 09:22:17 PM
IP: ely-oh2-11.ix.netcom.com
*DumlaoX walks into the comment room with a huge grin on his face*
Gotta love UCLA. Not only did I get free passes to see an advanced screening of "A Bug's Life" this Wednesday night but I just attended a rally for Seanator Barbara Boxer and governatorial candidate Gray Davis. Special guests included Rob Reiner, Julia-Louis Dreyfus, and singer Lisa Loeb who performed a song I can't remember right now :P Needless to say, I'm hyped up already.
SOUND-- I was away for the weekend but I got reports that some of the sound files for the site aren't working correctly. I have the original files on my ZIP disk so I'll check them over and see if anything is wrong. If I get errors, I'll upload fresh files into the site.
CGI-- I just got a copy of Borland C++ from the good ol university computers. Once I know that it works, I'll try using that to compile the comment room CGI code instead of LCC, which I have no idea whether I'm compiling things correctly or not. Just a little update on my quest for CGI, tis all.
SITE-- Thinking about a few things I wanna do to the place. Nothing major but something small and hopefully helpful. If anything seems feasable, I'll let you know.
FIRE STORM-- If you're still out there and still offering to put my mp3 files on CD-ROM for free, please e-mail me about it at the address below. It seems like the mega station the campus promised us won't be ready till 1999 and I can't wait that long to place them on CD myself and acquire more mp3s and other important files. Thanx much.
Keep on posting and reporting bugs and commenting on things. Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Monday, November 2, 1998 08:52:32 PM
IP: dhcp110.oac-commons.ucla.edu
(Brian is seen running along with the others and occasionally ducks under bursts of enemy fire , he has been fending them off with grenades and all the other rearmaments that he had brought with him . His missles are finished and his suit's systems are having trouble with the amount of rounds he is receiving despite the cover he takes (you try to keep 15 feet of mech from getting hit ) . His magic is also very low from the amount of portals he has had to summon for various reasons . His void denity core was lost somewhere along the line during a rapid descent through a tunnel to reach the lower levels of the base . He fires his remaining bullets at a large group of base personnel (not necessarily human) and ducks into a corner in the tunnel to make the following post .
Wilek : Sorry , I did'nt remember that Raoul was a face hugger . I was just trying to include a few other members of the party and picked him pretty much at random . So lets just say that it was one of the human males that followed me .
(sigh) Lost loved ones . . . tis a sad topic to approach indeed , the pain of missing someone who has had profound impact on you throughout your life . Reading this sort of scenario is one of the few things that can actually make me cry , course I do'nt normally let people know cause I have this stupid idea that men must be like stones when nowadays , it's the senitive that score the chicks , I'm just joking there of course , I do'nt even know if that's true down here . But when a loved one departs , it raises all those questions that a person would prefer to ignore , everyone wants to think these people went to a better place but there's always that nagging doubt .
Todd : thankyouthankyouthankyou .
Coyote : that's an interesting way to mourn , I like it . Do you leave it on unti you just do'n feel too sad about it all the time ? Or for a set time period ?
****SPOILERS!! WILL ROBERTSON , SPOILERS!! ****
That was definitely th best story so far . Emrys doing all the things that we wish we could do , vampires , insight to the Unseelie , Emry's haveing to deal with hormones all over again . All these made the story a cut above the rest . And the way it all tied in was wonderful . HEHE I guess a King does need a minstrel does'nt he .
****SPOILERS PURGED WILL ROBERTSON***
(TRC is elevated into a judges booth and summons the CR lawyer before him .)
CR lawyer : You are charged with harassing , interfering with and in General making yourself a nuisance in the CR to which you were assigned . Have you any defense ?
I helped in that copyright dispute a while back .
Not good enough . Has the Jury reached a verdict ? (everyone in the CR stands )
We the Jury , find the lawyer assigned to the TGS comment room , GUILTY AS CHARGED .
(TRC stands up and points his Gravol at the Lawyer ) Then this is your sentence : A PLAGUE SMURFS UPON YOU .
(The lawyer is besieged with an army of smurfs , all clinging to him , biting , tearing up his papers and doing everything in their power to make his life miserable .
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!
(Brian returns to his former demeanor ) Hey if you ca'nt kill him , make him wish he were dead .
(A steaming hot plate of home made lasagna to where I got that phrase from .)
(The team resumes its trek through the tunnels in Aea 51 , then , the ground starts to shake as if something large is heading towards them . Brian runs ahead and looks down a corridor . He recoils in shock and fear as he sees a giant Alien Drone heading towards them , it is easily 8 meters tall in its hunched over position as it runs up the long tunnel towards the team . Making a rash decision , TRC ushers the team ahead on their preordaned path and stays to block the passage so that they have more time . TRC activates his shield and runs towards the salivating behemoth as it reaches for him . He dodges the swift attack but still feels the impact through the shield , he then puts up a feeble resistance to the aliens viscious onslaught of tail , arm and oral assaults ? (minds out of the gutter people) as the field's time limit passes the alien's tale flashes forward far too quickly for TRC to see much less avoid , the sharp tail barb easily penetrates the mech's armour impaling TRC within as a spray of blood covers the inside of his visor .
With a last ditch attempt to by them some time , Brian throws a grenade to the center of the support arches high above the ceiling , the explosion collapses the entire corridor's support matrix burying the occupants beneath 35 tons of granite rock .
(Please do'nt affect TRC's condition in you RP's , have plans .)
The Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Monday, November 2, 1998 08:28:08 PM
IP: 208.11.41.204
**Zath runs in carrying a swiss army knife, a roll of duct tape, a picture of Bill Clinton in skimpy lingerie, and a big glass jar with a liver in it.**
I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Anton Sr. was willing to clone a new liver for Thailog Horror. The bad news is that there wasn't enough money in the CR Lawyer's wallet (which I stole yesterday) to pay for the operation, so I'm going to have to install the liver myself. I'll do it while I talk. Those of you who don't like the sight of blood might not want to watch. **Zath shows the picture of Clinton to Thailog Horror, who shreaks and passes out from fright, allowing Zath to start the operation.**
Coyote> Sadly, it was just something funny that popped into my head late last night. I have no animation skills whatsoever. I can't even get my characters to look right for one frame, so how could I animate them? (They turn out okay on paper, but I don't have access to a scanner at the moment. They're getting cheap, so maybe I can put it on my Christmas list.) Speaking of characters, I was thinking of having Hadrian (one of the creatures formerly known as grotesques) meeting the clan, wanting to fit in, and, because he thinks naming yourself after a place is a gargoyle tradition, changing his name to Hoboken: )
MrNoying> Wilek unkilled Thailog Horror by casting a spell that sent his remains back in time to before he was killed, but I had eaten his liver so it couldn't go back with the rest of him. Thay's why TH is sick and I have a (now bloody) swiss army knife and a liver in a jar. By the way, I like the aligators. Maybe someone could dig a moat to put them in.
Sevarius Jr.> If all your recent clones are turing out to be nearly opposites of the originals, maybe you could try cloning Kitty. "Tac" might turn out ugly, but she would probably be sweet, loving, and a pacifist.
**Zath finishes installing the liver and closes up the incision with the duct tape, just as T Horror begins to wake up. "OOOOWWWWW, what happened? It feels like someone cut me open with a pocket knife!" TH reads the post to catch up on what's happened. "What's this about you eating my liver?"
Zath looks embarrassed. "I can explain!"
"You better."
Zath leads T Horror out of the room so they can talk in private, tossing the CR Lawyer his now empty wallet on the way past. "If I were you, I'd cancel my credit cards pretty soon. I had to give them all to Anton because apparently cloning a single organ is a lot harder than cloning an entire gargoyle." The lawyer grumbles but puts the wallet back in his pocket. Not too long after Zath shuts the door, the wallet explodes, killling the lawyer once again.**
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 08:15:32 PM
IP: ns12-05.viptx.net
Mr. Noying: Well, Coyote ordered a bunch of clones from my dad (2 dozen for only 49.95, a holiday bargain, ORDER NOW AND PAY MY BILLS!), but do to various circumstances, most of them bought the big taco. So I decided, being the good sport that I am, to whip up some more for him.
Unfortunately, a flaw in the cloning process created the monstrosity known as....*shudder*....Coyote the Barney. Thankfully, the beast was killed rather quickly, before it could reproduce.
Dear sweet merciful heaven, are all my mistakes coming back to haunt me? First Kitiana's psycho clone Asil (if I find you, you're toast baby! You're ruining my family name...well, more so than it already is...) and now the Barney fiasco....just as long as those smurfs don't come back.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:38:25 PM
IP: 207-172-69-189.s284.tnt23.brd.erols.com
If any of you like Ace OF BASE they got a new CD out.
Just a thought, are any of you pagan because I am.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@briight.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s,a,
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:29:41 PM
IP: cacheflow.bright.net
That's the problem with lengthy messages, when you finish, someone else has sent something! Arrg!
Todd- But why would we never expose him to those very familiar quotes? He isn't alab mouse bent on world domination or .... Ooooh, I get it...
And I was just thinking... If we're going to keep these rabid alligators in the comment room for security, we're going to have to name them! Any ideas?
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:24:14 PM
IP: spider-ti042.proxy.aol.com
(CR Lawyer prepares to enter the room, and notices that the alligators are still there from before.)
All right, I get the message. You don't want me in here. I just wanted to point out, that I am INDEED named Kenny. But you are probably assuming I am the South Park character. No, I am not THAT Kenny. Thank you very much.
(CR Lawyer does not exit, as he never entered. He breathes a sigh of relief, he actually survived this encounter! And then a rather large piano falls from nowhere and crushes him.)
CR Lawyer
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:19:20 PM
IP: spider-ti042.proxy.aol.com
(Mare and Kyryn return after their quest to find Jim failed miserably. They started considering following up on that forbidden rock thing, but then decided against it. Upon entering the comment room, they are attacked by rabid alligators. Mare lets out a shriek, and jumps back. Jim Iza Noying is bothered by that.
"Mare, just because you forgot to bring your alligator repellant is no reason to scream at the gators."
"Jim! You're alive!"
"When was I dead?")
I like this text color. I think I'll keep it. Thanks CR Lawyer!
Zath-I'd enjoy seeing that creativity demon... And what's up with Thailog Horror 2?
Fluer-Why are you the only one making Pooh references? (TTFN)
MDY-I'll vote when the time comes, but it would be a good idea to remind us later...
Coyote- Coyote the Barney? Did I miss something?
And the trio doing the hustle would be spiffy!
Duece-New computer stuff? Not fair, considering the @#%!$^ I have!
Nichodemus- Can't wait to see the follow up to FOTS... It was one of my five fave. TGS stories until no sequal came around... But if that's about to change... Whoopeee!
Merlin- For those who don't know what Merlin was talking about, Hysteria is the WB's answer to the order that 3 hours of educational televison be played on each station a week... And it is HILARIOUS! Best Edutainment I've ever seen!
Ed- I agree, all the Unseelie stories are getting repetitive, much like the post Avalon episodes did. And I prefer the original cast over the dozens of new characters... Can't really complain much about Brooklyn not being in the spotlight tho, since he gets Timedancer, which makes me happy, since he is my favorite!
Green Baron- The CR Lawyer is not Kenny. Note that WE keep killing him, and no one is called a bastard for doing so... Am I allowed to say that word in here? If I'm not, I'm apologizing right now...
("Jim! Me and Kyryn went on this whole quest to save you from Thailog! And we ran accross some forbidden rock thingie, and guys who attacked us with paintballs..."
"Those paintball thingies hurt."
"Tell me about it! So what are you doing here?"
"Feeding smurfs to the rabid alligators. These things are handy to have around! They take care of the CR Lawyer and the smurf problem! As long as people make sure to grab the repellant at the door, these things make great pets and watch... beasts!")
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:10:53 PM
IP: spider-ti042.proxy.aol.com
Hey! That's not Kat!!!
Okay, everyone who wants a copy of Ambient Anarchists, email me and I'll reply with an attachment if the GFW isn't up within the next week...
--Ed, who likes all this attention...*blush*
Eddie - [amy@gcolor.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:03:44 PM
IP: gcolor.com
Absolutely correct, Zath! 10 points for you!
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:03:23 PM
IP: 205.242.93.220
Todd> Tim was the wizard in Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:01:23 PM
IP: ns12-05.viptx.net
Sorry for the double post, but, just for the fun of it:
LINES WHICH WE, THE TGS STAFF, PROMISE NEVER TO GIVE GARLON.
1. (To a dim-witted sidekick): Stop that, or I shall have to hurt you.
2. Actually, I am an Unseelie disguised as an ordinary human engaged in an elaborate scheme for world domination.
3. We must return to the Brocken to prepare for tomorrow night.
and last but not least....
4. Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 2, 1998 06:56:33 PM
IP: 205.242.93.220
ED - Somehow I simply cannot imagine Merlin choosing "Fred" as an alias. Or Tim, for that matter (10 points to guess the reason for "Tim").
Incidentally, would anybody care to guess at the significance of Merlin's school being named Mons Carbi?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St.Louis, MO
Monday, November 2, 1998 06:39:43 PM
IP: 205.242.93.220
Ed > Am I locked in the TGS Dungeon? No, not exactly. They let me out for good behavior. Now I'm only chained to my desk. :P
For the record, I did write a number of outlines this season for The Gargoyle Saga and TimeDancer. I also co-wrote several episodes of The Gargoyle Saga that will be showing up sporadically as the season progresses, including one that re-introduces Rory. So don't worry, Rory fans. He'll be back in due time. As will all sorts of your favorite characters both vintage and TGS original. But you have to give us time. We've got a lot going on this season on both sides of the Atlantic. In the mean time, enjoy!
Cheers
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Monday, November 2, 1998 05:54:23 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net
Todd: Couldn't you have renamed him Fred? ;) I keep having to check back to see which way around the 'r' and the 'y' go… it's annoying!! Though I think I'm getting the hang of it now. Mind you, every week I watched Gargoyles originally, and every week I forgot what Brooklyn was called almost instantly after turning the telly off. Eventually I grabbed a notebook before it started, and determined to write it down as soon as I heard it. :)
***SPOILERS FOR NEW PENDRAGON EP***
Hmm… very interesting. I like it. Some great touches, like Emrys. His frustration with his homework, his reluctance to go to a school where he had more knowledge than everyone by some distance… quite impressive. I don't really know about American schools (apart from the fact that if the TV comparison is anything to go by they're yob central), but much of the school portrayal seems reasonably accurate. Though I'd like to see what Emrys would make of coming across a good teacher. Even so, he should have been awarded a DT for an outburst like that… Merlin, the grand advisor to King Arthur, stuck in a Detention. Heh. Still- Recess? I suppose since it was in a description, not speech it's forgivable, but it's still one of those things that makes me wince… we have break and lunch break… but *recess*? No… at least, not where I've been.
The other thing is 'a lot of quid'. I see the confusion, but that's not really a usage for it that I've ever heard or could imagine used. A quid is a pound. Several quid is several pounds. A lot of quid is a lot of pounds… and that doesn't sound right to me. A lot of money, you might say, but not a lot of pounds… *shrugs*
Anyway, the other thing was the vampires which were neat and the classic Arthur/Sevarius confrontation! How glorious! :) King Arthur and a mad scientist! Delightful!
Umm… Kathy, are you locked up in the TGS dungeons as the evil brain that decides every story? Because you seem to be on the 'story concept' label of every ep this season (correct me if I'm wrong). :) Well, nice job!
***BYE BYE PENDRAGON SPOILERS (and an ominous boom is heard)***
(Replying to last week):
Aris: Well, the two points I'm going to pick out on… (1) is Oberon's portrayal as the inverse of Oberon and thus as purity. He's not. But it's a growing trouble with the series, that TGS is black and white, and all the gargoyles characters were a delightful variety of shades of grey. Goliath in HUNTERS MOON and Demona in THE RECKONING is an example I've used in the MTM review on my page (actually I don't think I've posted it yet). (2) More characters? Actually I disagree. To a point (the London overload has been leaping to terrible excess). TGS needs new characters to fuel its ambitions… you can't have a rising of 6 characters and a few supply characters to add on. By their own plotlines it was inevitable that all the new characters would have to be introduced. But I feel that the leads should be concentrated upon. Today's episode was excellent because it concentrated on… well, I won't spoil it outside my spoilers, but look to paragraph one of them to see who I'm referring to. And Goliath.
The big problem I suppose I have with TGS so far is that the eps are events orientated. Ie- the Rising is coming, so how can we write Rising stories? The trouble is that Gargoyles used the point of view that 'there are these characters, now how can we create plots to advance them?' Or, at least, that's what comes across of both cases.
I hope that TGS shove their main characters up into the spotlight and take whole episodes to really focus on characters. Like THRILL OF THE HUNT, TEMPTATION and DEADLY FORCE were all used to expand upon the characters of the Trio, while having the added bonus of showing off The Pack, Owen, Dracon, Demona and Xanatos. I think it would be wise to return to the core characters and work from them. And to do that I really hope that some different events will occur… 5 successive Rising eps (9 if you include the REPRISALS trilogy and QUEST'S END) is getting beyond a joke. I like the Unseelie, but the TGS universe should have more to it than that, I think.
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Monday, November 2, 1998 02:43:43 PM
IP: webcache5.planet.net.uk
*Merlin staggers into the room, dropping candy wrappers behind her. On the wrappers, little messages are written:*
"SPOILER ALERT 1:
Brush your teeth after eating sweets."
"SPOILER ALERT 2:
My favorite bit had to be with Emrys and the Maths homework. I was falling out of my seat laughing."
"SPOILER ALERT OVER"
"On 'Hysteria' this past weekend, they had a game show about the Inquisition. All I could think was that they must have been hanging out in this Comment Room last week."
"I spent Halloween at the Boy's house. We hosted the campus pagan organization's Samhain Party. The group played MST3K with movies like 'The Craft' and 'Erik the Viking,' while designing bridges with the Milk Dud boxes. And let's not forget watching the Boy carve a pumpkin with his sword at 2am. 'Twas a goodly party, all around."
*Merlin zaps up a broom, sweeps up the wrappers, then rides the broom out of the comment room (because Nature abhors a vacuum).*
Merlin Missy - [mrwilson@umr.edu]
Remember to Vote --- It Does Matter
Monday, November 2, 1998 02:12:21 PM
IP: speedo.physics.umr.edu
Just wanted to clarify something I noticed on the CR archieves (I only check up on then once a week now):
>Regarding "For Old Time's Sake" or Brooklyn's Egyptian adventure:
>
>Actually, there was a follow-up story scheduled where Brooklyn returned to Egypt to confront the villain of "Old Time's Sake" but unfortunately, difficulties arose with the writer and it was necessary to drop that episode for last season due to the large amount of writing that was left to be done on it.
Actually, that whole fiasco was my doing. I was the one who'd come up with the idea for that episode (and the characters), as well as the one writing the stories. The "difficulties" that arose stemmed from the fact that I'm one heck of a procrastinator, as well as the fact that I'd been getting severely depressed lately. At the time, TGS was about the only thing I was doing with my life, so I was much more sensitive about criticism against my ideas for the series. The more idea that got 'shot down', the more desperate my new ones became, and so the more easily they were 'shot down', and so on.
Of course, that caused me to neglect my writing (not to mention start acting like a complete jerk) more and more, and so, when it was getting time to show the sequel to FOTS, I had only gotten a small portion of the story done (it was supposed to be a _very_ long two-parter). Eventually, Spike sent me something of an ultimatum telling me to either finish the story or give it to someone else who could finish it on time. Instead, I simply left TGS.
(Actually, the aforementioned depression had made me threaten to leave for a while. *smiles lopsidedly* For those of you in the TGS crew who came in after mid-March of this year and wish to see some 'Sevarius-type' melodrama, ask DumlaoX or Patrick Toman to show you some of the e-letters I wrote my last 4 months there. Personally, I'd find it all right if you laughed at how corny some of them sound.
I think what turned out to be the 'nail in the coffin', though, was a comment at S8 from Hyperion. It was about how Hyperion had thought that, while TGS was good, it didn't really feel like "Gargoyles". At the time, I'd just gotten through having more of my ideas 'shot down', so I was in another funk, and I took Hyperion's message a bit too close to heart. I had wanted to be part of the continuation of "Gargoyles", not something else; I was too 'out of it' to realize that what I was doing was "Gargoyles", and that I shouldn't let a single person's criticism go to heart.
By the way, Hyperion, don't feel bad. It may sound like I'm saying you're the reason I left (and, in a sense, your letter did provide the final 'push), but I was merely following a path that I'd been on for a few months by then. I didn't just read your letter one day, and decide to 'chuck it all'.)
*looks around*
Man, this message's much longer than I thought it'd be. Oh well, now that I've bared my soul to everyone (for the 582nd time), I'd just like to close by apologizing to the TGS crew for leaving such a mess on their hands when I left (my leaving dropped about three or four other stories in other peoples' laps when I left), and by apologizing to the fans for causing them such anxiety over FOTS.
Trust me, though, the characters there will be back...
Nicodemus
Monday, November 2, 1998 02:01:57 PM
IP: 209-63-247-136.smf.jps.net
**The three evil fundamentalists have been relocated to the airport. Bro. Ken is being flown to Afghanistan. Bro. Big Tommy is being flown to Northern Vietnam, and Bro. Roy is being flown to Iran. All three natioins are generally hostile to Christianity or anything using that name, so their intolerant messages will anger the leaders and will probably result in them locked in a torture chamber or killed. As for the Ctaholic schoolgirl Scouts, they realized they enjoyed torturing the pigs too much, so they're going to Confession**
Clones> I imagine Wilek will not forget Wilek Fiegers I,II, and III for a long time either.
BTW, today is All Souls day, which is a day when we pray for the Souls in Purguatory. Since many in the CR don't believe in Purguatory, this day is also a good day to reflect on those who have died, which we have already started doing.
Kitainia> Feminazi? LOL I haven't heard that term outloud in years. On a more serious note, all of my grandparents rae dead. My father's parents died beofre I was born, and my father should hurry up and join them. My grandmother died when I was 16 and my grandfather died right beofore 1998 began. He was 90 years old. My mother's parents were wondeful, strong willed stubborn Irish catholics and among some of the most saintly and moral people I have ever known. They were also very unselfish and it is becaus eof their generosity that I was able to go to my High School, and it was their values which prompted my mother to work at Loyola University so my sister and I can get a free Jesuit education. I miss them a great deal, and my mother really misses them, especially her father.
**Spoilers**
Raising a child without tough love discipline will spoil them:)
**End Spoilers**
CR Lawyer> You're name isn't Kenny is it?
Mandi> I love Les Miserables. I learned about the musical in Eightth grade, and I find Thenardier hillarious. Of course, my favorite musical of all time is Man of LaMancha. I can relate to Don Quixote and that is kind of scary :)
I'm also glad that you like my website. Sometimes, I don't think anyone visits it. Soon, I shall have some upgrades, including my Gargoyles fans without dates pages, but that is an idea for the near future.
**The Catholic schoolgirl scouts leave after having received Reconcilliation and wonder why Austin is in a state of dissaray. Then they see Governor Bush and wave to him**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Monday, November 2, 1998 01:46:35 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102
** enters, bleary-eyed and munching on a foot-long chocolate bar **
Hey, everybody. Hallowe'en was awesome, I got loads of candy (despite being 5'10" and "too old" to go out), and had an awesome time at the subsequent concert. *rubs back of leg* Although I can barely walk now. See, there's a very cool local Christian rock band called Heart Attack, and they gave a show at a tiny little church outside of the tiny little town I went to last weekend (ah... small towns... gotta love 'em). They inspire lots of jumping around. Come to think of it, the coolest mosh pits I've even been in were at church events.
It snowed last night. It's still snowing now. Yay! I like snow. Snow is fun... unless you're wearing sandals and waiting for the bus when it's -10. (Long, long story).
My new computer works like a charm, except that Windows 98 is giving me motion sickness and I can't get my hands on a copy of Paint Shop Pro 5 full version. (There's a warez crack out there somewhere...)
Oh, and I got a scanner, too, so when I get my photos developed you can all see my Phantom costume.
** Suddenly, the CR lawyer enters. "'Warez'?" he asks. "Did I hear someone say 'warez'?" Deuce grabs a handy can of Silly String, covers the lawyer in it, and lights him aflame. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Alberta, Canada
Monday, November 2, 1998 01:27:43 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net
**Coyote runs into the room eating a leg of lamb to add:**
Zath: Kewl creativity demons ... but ... if you *really, really, really, really* want to impress people with your animation skills ... why not try an animated GIF of the Trio doing the Hustle? ;)
**Coyote leaves, digging into the leg of lamb ravenously.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 2, 1998 11:58:47 AM
IP: 207.91.254.42
**Coyote enters the room, popping two pills in his mouth.**
Hi, guys. **notices everybody looking at the pills.** Oh those. Metabolife (a weird diet pill that smells awful and looks like a bottleful of rabbit pellets). I have about an hour to eat now, so I'll make it quick.
SJ: Kitainia won't forget Asil anytime soon ... nor will I forget Coyote the Barney anytime soon.
Doug and Kitainia: Thanks for affirming my fear (I think ...). Myself personally, I've only experienced the loss of loved ones three times, one of which I'm not sure counts (putting a dog to sleep). One was my paternal grandfather, who passed away on New Year's Eve 1990 in Denver (I remember distinctly that I wore a mourning band on the bell of my saxophone for a full year afterward. Y'see, on my father's side I come from a long line of saxophonists ... and shortly after my high school graduation I inherited Grandpa's treasured horn.). The other time was my maternal grandmother when she went in for her bypass (She was 74 when she underwent the bypass, and it was a very frightening time for everybody here. The only good that came of it ... my mother and all of her siblings were reunited for the first time in almost 25 years, and fortunately Grandma came out of the operation with flying colors.). I understand that kind of fear very well, and even though I've little experience with it, it is still one of my greatest fears.
Kitainia again: Glad you liked the pic. I'll try to darken it, color it and (when I get the new scanner installed) scan it for the site. (BTW, I still haven't seen the G99 mascot, so I guessed on Brazos.)
Fleur: A little bit of everything, huh? Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Wilek: Good idea. Sorry about the maggots ... I needed something different from spoiled fruit and spoiled milk.
BTW, has Miriam ever mentioned anything about a former employer named Mary Dahl? Just wondering ... this morning's Batman ep was "Baby-Doll," and Ms. Dahl had a personal assistant/bodyguard/professional @$$-kicker named Miriam who dressed very similar to your Miriam. I was just curious.
**grumbling stomach**
Uh oh. Must run. Gotta eat!
**Coyote rushes out of the room.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 2, 1998 11:13:32 AM
IP: 207.91.254.42
Kitiana: Geez! You make one psychotic clone of someone and you never hear the end of it! How was I supposed to know she'd escape....;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 09:16:20 AM
IP: rob-106-14.labs.gmu.edu
Ok people,
December 25-31 is the date for your votes in the next round of the Toon TV showdown.
http://www.usaweekend.com/celebs/index.html
Gargoyles is up against Dr Katz, which got almost 800 votes more in it's round, so mark it in your diaries and vote Gargoyles.
MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKMonday, November 2, 1998 08:52:23 AM
IP: 195.195.164.140
DOUG AND KITAINA - Sorry about this, but the proper spelling of Merlin's current alias is "Emrys" rather than "Emyrs". (It's a Welsh version of "Ambrosius", Merlin's traditional "nickname").
A couple of nights ago, PBS aired a documentary on gargoyles entitled: "Gargoyles: Guardians of the Gate", which contained a lot of intriguing information on the original architectural gargoyles (though no mention of the series, of course). I rather enjoyed it, and thought that I'd share some of the items of information that it provided:
1. The word "gargoyle" is said, according to legend, to be derived from Gargouille, a dragon that was endangering the town of Rouen around A.D. 600, but who was defeated and slain by one St. Romanus. His body was then burned, but the head and neck survived, to be mounted on the local church as a memorial to the town's deliverance. The custom then spread of carving other stone dragons - and from there gargoyles - on other churches.
2. Properly speaking, true gargoyles serve the function of water spouts; gargoyles who don't serve as water spouts are technically known as "grotesques".
3. The gargoyles of Notre Dame are said in local legend to take flight after dark and watch over cafes in Paris. (If they're anything like Broadway, I imagine that they'd do more with those cafes than just watch over them :)
4. St. Bernard of Clairvaux, an influential medieval churchman who lived from 1091 to 1153, had a low opinion of architectural gargoyles, considering them foolish and pagan monstrosities. (I wonder what he'd have thought of our kind of gargoyles).
5. Some scholars believe that gargoyles may have been partly inspired by the old Celtic gods that had been worshipped in western Europe before the coming of Christianity, such as the Green Man (who may have been the same person, BTW - in my suspicions at least - as the Green Knight that Sir Gawain once encountered).
6. Medieval people seem to have seen gargoyles as condemned souls turned to stone forever rather than sent to Hell, to be publicly displayed on the cathedrals as a warning to others, or as demons posted on the cathedrals to guard against worse demons. (Something tells me that Castaway would approve of this sort of interpretation as great anti-gargoyle propaganda; they're either demons or the souls of evil humans that way).
7. Rather timely in the light of "Signs and Portents", there was a digression on basilisks, which stated, among other things, that in 1474, a rooster was put on trial and executed for laying a basilisk egg (I suspect that it was actually another "Woostie case" of a rooster with gender problems :) and that the outbreak of syphilis in 15th century Europe was blamed on basilisks by some people at the time.
8. No place in the United States has more gargoyles per square mile than - you guessed it - New York City.
Anyway, it was a great documentary, and one that's recommended viewing for all Gargoyles fans, if you can catch it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 2, 1998 07:01:56 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-90.primary.net
** On the screen, Kitainia smiles and begins to address the Comment Room. **
RP stuff: I of course will be contributing various bad guys from my past to this RP as much as Doug will, not just Ben Goodall (who was the main bully at my elementary and middle schools) and Rodney. And of course we will tell all the history about them to the curious with the appropriate RP warnings. That's of course if no one minds and says so that this saga is about to get so deeply personal. :)
Coyote: I too know the pain of losing loved ones. First my maternal grandfather to cancer when I was five (Dad's parents died before I was born, so I never knew them), then my grandmother to a stroke four years later. Then all the pain I went through in my fifteenth and sixteenth years, that motivated me to run away from my family for an entire summer and then six months after my return almost kill myself. Snake and his bikers were the main people who helped me get through the runaway time and its many perils (such as stopping what Rodney Schuler tried to do, getting me food, and just being there as friends I could talk to), and they also came to town and helped me get figured out my life and how I was going to change it along with my family after my skiing "accident." (Might as well come clean on the truth of it, I already did so in the other CR.) I lost Snake, the best of the bunch, at the beginning of last summer. He got killed in a bar fight, it was very painful for me to deal with the fact that I would no longer see or get letters from him. Went to the service of course, it was very emotional and beautiful. <wipes away tears of remembrance> So I too know the pain of losing loved ones, you're not the only one for whom the prospect is frightening. Looking forward to seeing your picture of Clan Austin.
*** Warning: Episode Spoilers ***
I liked "Beginning Again" very much. Emyrs was well-charecterized in his hilarious, realistic, and understandable school scenes as was Arthur in getting used to his new home and profession. Arthur makes a very good detective, I enjoyed seeing him in that role. Also a good job on the characters of new heroes Bob, Leba, and Cervus as well as villains Garlon and Sevarius. And the plot, man, it was a well-outlined and -written read. The bad guys' plot, its exercise, the new thugs the Unseelie have, the good guys' response to it. All was, to quote Maid Marian, "well done, WELL DONE." :) Keep up the good work!
*** Spoilers At An End Now. ***
Wilek: I too am glad the UT battle is over. You can not imagine what having to fight hordes of devils can do to a person's reputation and complexion. :) Not that I really care about the latter. And yes, that really is our symbol. Glad it was exactly as you pictured it. We have thirteen members, by the way, all who now own leather jackets with it on the back (but of course we don't usually wear them). It is also decaled or painted somewhere on all our vehicles. That includes my Kawasaki cycle, Jim's Buick station wagon, Stephanie's Taurus, Alex's old Thunderbird that hasn't been driven in three years, and our new eighteen-wheeler. The latter is of course big enough to transport all of us and our vehicles whenever we need to make very long journeys out of the city (as we will soon, if this saga continues). It's also on Doug's X-Wing, the Sillhouette helicopter (on the latter it can be made invisible), and the speedboat Jim bought for excursions on Lake Travis a week ago with money he'd saved up, which he has after his favorite TV show christened the S.S. Practice.
Asil's Origin: Her name is, btw, pronounced A-SEEL. She is my evil clone, who was created some time ago (everyone here might remember it) by the young and twisted mind known as Sevarius Jr. He originally made her out of DNA he got from me via a metal mosquito, programmed her with some kind of personality that's made her a total psycho, and kept her in his basement. I found out about Asil from his pal Ed Igor, and demanded he get rid of her. He was going to do so, but then she escaped from his lab and was next seen in the other CR capturing and boiling an infamous prankster known as Crackers the Lobster. She then appeared on the UT campus, and did several things practically guarenteed to ruin a person's social reputation if I had not been able to quickly disprove them. She also tried to kill Doug and me several times, and we thought we'd taken her out during a battle on the Town Lake railroad trestle where she was knocked over the side and not seen again. Looks like she's back now, and with a vengeance. Check Doug's last post to know what she looks like. Her personality is basically that of a total insane psychopath, akin to Callisto and Hyena. She's a mean, egotistical, chronically angry, and selfish short-tempered femi-nazi b&^ch, which I am not as I'm sure everyone knows by now. She also suffers from the delusion that she is "the real Kitainia" and I am the one who's been created to take her place in the world at Doug's request. (In Asil's mind, my SO is a real jerk b&*#$rd.) In other words, she's what I might have become had I not decided back when I was sixteen to put aside all my teenage angst and anger and drastically change my life for the better, becoming the person you know now. Asil is evil, completely. How she ever came out of the lab of such a wonderful person as SJ I do not know.
Fleur: Glad to see you finally back! Guess now we won't have to come rescue you. <<tells the other Ravens who nod, and begin discussing possible other things they can investigate>> You're welcome, good luck defeating whatever is waiting for you at the building. BTW, we've discovered some info on Marsh. He's a Xanatos-esque businessman who is into everything the Shinras from Final Fantasy 7 are. Electronics, robots, cars, power, military supply, the space program, you name it. Guess we now know where Thailog's getting his advanced weapons and funding, though about Marsh's motivations for aiding and abetting him we are still unsure.
That's all for now, must sleep before tomorrow. Good night, everybody.
** The screen changes as the Ravens begin discussing whether they should next investigate Binky the Clown's corrupt circus, which is currently on its way to preform in San Antonio, or the Bennatruce Mafia family Thailog was known to have contacts with, who operate in Texas as rivals of Kitainia's Gambini Mafia pals. The new picture that appears is one of Asil, in a huge audience hall somewhere addressing her forces about a plan of attack on Gubio's house she has thought up with the help of General Walter Zale, a corrupt ex-Marine turned anti-America militia leader who also works for Thailog. Her forces include Guod, Zale and his troops, Jose and several surviving Vayas Comos Ninjas, Graham Johnson and his redneck mutants, Rodney and Felix, a gang of bikers called the Sons of Thunder (no relation to the guys on Walker: Texas Ranger) who were frequent rivals in every way of Kitainia's biker friends, the "gang" of jerks from the British school Doug went to led by the school's headmaster, and several other people from Doug and Kitainia's pasts who all hate them as much as Asil. Whatever they are planning can't be good. To be continued next post! **
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 02:41:27 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zoq-vty6.as.wcom.net
Cyber-creativity demon: An animated GIF. of a gargoyle doing the Timewarp (or any dance for that matter). Demona doing the Macarena!!
Okay, I'm gone for real this time.
Zath
Monday, November 2, 1998 02:30:58 AM
IP: ns4-05.viptx.net
*The TV set suddenly flares into life. Fleur and Clan Austin are hovering over the Marsh Building which is now considerably worse for wear, (Thanks Traveller!), dodging laser fire. Finally, using one of the famous Gargoyle-manouvers (land on the laser cannons so they blow each other up) the last of the anti-gargoyle weaponry is destroyed. Fourty storeys down, the ST are storming (pun evilly intended>:)) the building. Landing of the roof, Fleur pauses to make these comments*
Man a lot happens when I'm not around! It took me over two hours to read the posts, and the stories. BTW, I was about to post on Friday night, but the computer crashed just as I was finishing up (Grrrr!), and I couldn't get back here until today.
*Spoilers Ahead*
TGS> One word: Fantastic. My little mental movie screen keeps seeing Arthur in a trenchcoat and Fedora, and Emrys dissing the teacher like students have only dreamed about.:) I would have thought Merlin wouldn't have any trouble with Maths, but then, come to think of it, the Maths they make you do in school has absolutely no use in everyday life. One things bugging me though - what were Merlin's school arrangements before Arthur found him? I mean, the people in that town he was in (can't remember the name) would probably have kicked up just a big a fuss as those neighbours.
Coyote> Great story. Life and Death struggles, Romance, Tragedy, Joy, with a Trickster thrown in for good measure. I'd say it had everything, wouldn't you? :)
Spike> I was ROTFL at that Sailor gargoyles pic. Oh, and Heather> great pics. It took you twenty minutes to draw the first one? *Turns slightly green with envy.* Wow. If that were me, and I had that kind of time frame, there would be a lonely little stick figure in the middle of that page, and it's head would be crooked.:) Well done.
*End Spoilers* (wasn't sure about the pictures, so I decided to play it safe.)
Kitainia> Thanks for the email. I promise I won't inflict anything on a member of Clan Austin that a stone sleep won't fix.
*At that moment, four helicoptors appear at each side of the roof, and a dozen highly paid mercenaries leap out of each one. The last thing seen before the TV set goes dead is Fleur, Flamethrower in one hand, cannon in the other, surrounded by Clan Austin, grinning as they go eight on hundred with the mercs. *
Who sez being a hero isn't fun?!
TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 02:04:22 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au
**Zath enters, stepping over a couple of rabid alligators on the way in.**
Boy, I've been in here too much today. Look at how many times I've posted! (but half of them were small so they might not count) The things I'll to put off doing my homework...
Doug> I didn't comment on your creativity demons because considering the characters, it just might happen. Well, maybe Gustav Sevarius would have to mess with Demona's head a little first, but the "Bevis and Butthead join the Quarrymen" senario seemed pretty plausible.
MrNoying> 15 Cyber-cookies! Yaaaay! I won, I won, I won, I won, I won, I won, I won, I won, I won, I won, I WON!!! **The newly revived Thailog Horror slaps Zath in the face.** Thanks, I needed that.
Wilek> Sorry about disturbing you with the gold speedo. It's just that I read a RHPS/X-files crossover a while ago and Krycek(Rocky) was in a gold speedo(instead of Mulder's famous red speedo). I guess it just stuck in my mind. Thanks a lot for unkilling Thailog Horror. You won't regret it. He says he'll make you a jumbo sized mixed drink of your choice the next time you're in here (but please don't ask for a Bloody Ceasar, for some reason he seems to be extremely squeamish about touching dead clams). There's just one problem with the spell. I ate his liver, so it couldn't have gone back in time with the rest of his little bits and pieces.
**Zath looks at Thailog Horror. Thailog Horror frowns and then collapses onto the floor, looking very ill. Zath starts to panic but then gets an idea. Zath is broke, but fortunately the CR Lawyer is still dead for the moment so he can't protect his wallet. Making sure to put on repellent from the correct can, Zath wades into the writhing mass of horny gators and picks the lawyer's pocket, pausing to eye his liver, which is protruding through a large gash in his side. Realising livers have caused enough problems for one night, Zath decides to leave the CR Lawyer's internal organs alone for the moment and runs out of the room muttering about how Anton Sr. better not mind doing a rush job at this hour of the night.**
(To Be Continued)
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 02:04:15 AM
IP: ns4-05.viptx.net
ATTENTION!!!
Just added to the current episode...
a pic of the good Dr. by Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson.
Have fun!
DumlaoX
Monday, November 2, 1998 01:48:28 AM
IP: pool0015-max7.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net
** The screen lights up with a picture of Doug, Kitainia, and the other Ravens, now fully recovered from their injuries thanks mostly to Orion's healing spells. They are all sitting around a large card table in Gubio's living room, discussing what to do next. A map of the Marsh Building with several pushpins stuck in it is spread out over the table itself. Doug turns to say something to the CR.**
Well, looks like we'll be heading downtown to see what happened to Fleur and Clan Austin next. We got the blueprints of the building from the Austin city engineers, who after what we did at the UT campus were most helpful. We've all also been made honorary JAG and FBI agents, able to act in whatever way we deem worthy to defuse this crisis, by Governor Bush and President Nance (the guy from the movie "Dave," I don't want to involve the real President in this saga) themselves, so we shouldn't be getting any trouble from the government. Except we do now have to deal with a couple of experienced federal liasions who are supposed to make sure we take care of this situation quickly and appropriately. Aargh. <<Doug points to two men in dark suits, whom everyone recognizes from Gargoyles and X-Files as Agents Martin Hacker and Tony Spender (I think that's his first name) of the FBI to indicate who the liasions are. A small middle-aged woman in a brown dress-suit who bears a strong resemblance to Janet Reno is also indicated. She is taking extensive notes on the meeting.>> Hope they're not too much trouble. :)
*** Warning, Episode Spoiler Alert! ***
I liked this one, even if we saw a lot of the London clan and none of the Manhattan. The Halfling vampires are neat, and certainly well-thought out in terms of character, recruitment, and motivation. I also enjoyed hearing the revelation that vampires, werewolves, and such were Unseelie experiments originally. That even more increased the Court's creepy feel. I also liked the new characters, especially Cervus and Leba. The neighbors I felt disturbed by, but I suppose they are a pair of bad stereotypes necessary for comic relief.
Arthur was very well charecterized in the story, as was Emyrs. Both were clearly shown as people getting used to new lives in the world and the many tasks they had to handle. Emyrs's school scenes were also hilarious, I thought. I was reminded of the one semester I spent at a British school in Taipei once as I read them (this was back in seventh grade). The teachers there just wouldn't listen to any opinion that didn't corespond with theirs, just as it is for Emyrs, and the subjects, especially the math and pe, were among the hardest and worst taught I've ever taken. I had a terrible time there, too, what with the rest of the class all being bullies and jerks, as well as the teachers' pets and pawns. (It was a very small class and school that was almost like a gang, with the headmaster as the leader, he and the other two teachers I got to know well both like the one Emyrs encountered in temperament, and my classmates at least the thugs. Yes, later I will be bringing them into and killing them off in the ongoing RP saga.) Because of these similar experiences of mine, I could really feel for Emyrs when he went through school's trials and tribulations once again. (Note: Everything I say in this part of the post about British schools is just my opinion about them based on one semester's experience with what was really a very bad school. No offense is meant to other British schools or anyone here who has attended them.)
I also liked how Emyrs couldn't do his math homework, even if he was intelligent and wise. The reasons for his disability, I think, are that he was very frustrated by having to be a teenager all over again and that would definitely not help. Also, in his mind, he already knows how to survive in the world and thus does not need to learn such things as geometry, so he was not applying himself to the concepts as well as he should if he wants to get the assignments quickly done. That was very well-done on your part, Todd and Aaron. Good work.
Most of all in the ep I enjoyed the conflict. The whole new round of genetic mutations, Arthur's becoming a private investigator and working on his first case, the charecterization of and confrontation with Sevarius, was all well done. I'll be eager to see more of it in the future. Next episode we're going to see Arthur check out the Montrose warehouse while Goliath and the Manhattan clan deal with some of their own troubles related to this quickly developing conflict, right?
All in all, good work, TGS Staff. My only complaint is that I'd like to see more of Madoc and Maeve planning their objectives and dealing with possible internal conflicts in their court (perhaps there are some Unseelies who want the war to move faster than it is?). One can never get too much of such interesting villains as they. :)
*** Spoilers at an End. ***
Coyote: I agree with you, losing a loved one can be very scary and painful. I've gone through it several times in my life. First my great-grandfather when I was five, then my best friend from elementary school Leander Miller (he was rock-climbing and the rope broke) when I was twelve, then my great-grandmother when I was fifteen (and my negligent jerk of a Dad didn't tell me about her passing until way after the funeral was already over, of course), and most recently a couple years ago Great-Uncle Ted. I know I'll have to deal with it again in the future, but it's still a pain. Hope it doesn't happen any time soon.
Wonder why no one commented on my creativity demons concerning Demona skywriting "Surrender Humans" over Manhattan and Beavis and Butthead joining the Quarrymen earlier today except in detail. Guess it's either that nobody likes them, or the new ep is all that's on everyone's minds right now.
TRC: If you want to know, I'm moving up the amount of work I'll do on my next fanfic now that the big papers I had due are finished. Currently, I am up to what I call the slaughter scene, in which readers will finally see in action Thailog, the newly enhanced cyber-clones, and the Ultra-Pack. :)
Wilek: I like the way you're taking it, too. Keep it up. Just to give a little spoiler of sorts, our next major antagonists are going to be deciptions of the remaining various real-life bullies and bad guys Kitainia and I have encountered in our lives who now work for Thailog. Brother Roy, seeking revenge for what happened to PJ, with possible aid from Ken and Big Tommy. Graham Johnson, the bull-queer jerk at that summer camp I went to when I was thirteen who I beat up for coming on to me (I also encountered a big bully named Ben Goodall and his little pal Bob Meade there, but they are dead now as far as this RP goes) and his group of fellow mutated angry rednecks who terrorized me and everyone else in my high school years (they'll especially be burning for revenge now that I've offed their leader Maxwell). Rodney Schuler and his pal Felix, the guys who once tried to kidnap and pimp out Kitainia during her runaway summer (that's why her biker friends beat them up, of course). The above "gang" from Taipei British School. And more. All led by our evil clones, who are now working for and with Thailog. We'll also deal with the circus I mentioned last post, eventually.
BTW, in case anyone is wondering about Guod's origins, he is a clone of me that was made by the Borg Queen during an infamous RP in the main CR that was ruined by posts devoted only to it. Thank God it's over now, and this one won't be disintegrating into stuff like that hopefully. Anyway, Guod was created when my X-Wing was caught in a tractor beam from the attacking Borg Cube and I had to eject. In doing so, I accidentally cut my finger on the ship's frame, leaving a blood and skin sample behind from which the Borg Queen was able to create Guod. She and all her forces were later shut down and defeated by a virus created by Gubio and uploaded by Kitainia, but Guod apparently survived the Borg Cube's destruction and shut-down and is now working for Thailog. This is a serious problem. In terms of personality, if anyone's curious, my clone is nearly my exact opposite. Instead of a somewhat egotistical, fun and freedom-loving, talkative, smart, do-gooder nice guy, he is a somewhat incompetent quiet and dour cold-blooded killer who is completely subservient to Asil and Thailog. Not a good man, that Guod. Not at all. Of course, that is the idea ;)
That's all for now, later.
** Doug turns and goes back to planning the attack on Marsh's skyscraper as Kitainia turns to face the Comment Room.**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, November 2, 1998 01:48:00 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zoq-vty6.as.wcom.net
(Jim Noying enters the room, and notices the pesky rabid alligators. He keeps them at bay with his handy alligator repellant. He puts a can at the door so others can use it.)
Its cybercookie award time...
Zath- I forget how many cybercookies I was awarding... But yes, the paintball quote came from Daria. And for going to the lengths of naming the SEASON, I'll give you a bonus. 15 cybercookies!
And the big winner is...
TODD- Who is the only one who knew. The Forbidden Stick was an episode of Timone and Pumbaa. It involved Timone messing with a... what else, forbidden stick, and getting in trouble with the law. After several nasty tests to prove his innocence, he admits he used the stick, and his punishment is... A slap on the wrist. The ep. ends when he sees "The Forbidden Rock". He notes, "What are they gonna do? Give me another slap on the wrist?" He uses the forbidden rock to squash a bug, and is then sent to the guillotine. One of the series best episodes. So Todd, you get a whopping 50!!! cybercookies! Man, that's a lot of cookies...
Ravyn, CR Lawyer, and anyone else who may have guessed, sorry, but Todd got it fair and square! Speaking of which...
CR Lawyer- You did too double post! I have the proof in front of me! Of course, you don't look too good. Need some alligator repellant?
(Jim gives the lawyer a can, which the lawyer gladly accepts. Unfortunatley, it is a can of alligator horomone, which sends the rabid alligators into a mating frenzy. With the lawyer caught in the middle. Jim smiles, he's finally had a chance to kill the lawyer!)
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, November 2, 1998 01:07:30 AM
IP: spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com
(Jim Noying looks at the rabid alligators around him, and send them packing with some handi alligator repellant. He places the repellant by the front door in case anyone else needs to use it.)
CR Lawyer- Suuuure you didn't double post. Here, it looks like you could use some alligator repellant.
(Jim gives the lawyer a can of something, which the lawyer gladfully accepts. Of course, he actually gave the lawyer an alligator attracting formula, and watched as the lawyer is killed again, in the same manner as he was minutes ago. Jim smiles, having FINALLY had a chance to kill the lawyer himself.)
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:51:12 AM
IP: spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com
well, Halloween's come and gone, and I don't know about everyone else, but I had fun.
********Spoilers for Begining Again********
We finally get to see Arthur and Co. go up against the Unseelie allies in London. I must say that I thouroughly enjoyed his confrontation with Sevarius, and how he almost recognized Garlon, but it would have been nice to see if Madoc found out that Arthur was the one who screwed up the operation. Also, it sounds like next week we'll see the London group go up against the vamps at the Montrose place.
I really liked the scenes with Emrys in school, especially where he chewed out his teacher and when he was looking at the girls. It didn't seem right, though, that Merlin would have problems with math. He still seems to be as intelligent as he used to be, even if his magic doesn't work right and his personality is that of a younger person. I also liked the idea of Arthur as a private detective.
As for the London clan begining to patrol, i'm looking forward to seeing the reactions of everyone when they are revealed to the world. I especially want to see the Unseelie's find out, as they apparently are currently only aware of the Manhattan clan.
The biggest problem I've had with the London scenes this season seems to be getting worse. We're being introduced to a lot of charachters who either are new or have only appeared in passing. There's the entire London clan, the singer, Char and the rest of the Minions, the vamps, that cabbie and the list goes on.... I also would like to see when Cuchulain arrives. He did say that he was going to come help Arthur. I hope that wasn't forgotten.
Overall this was my favorite ep so far this season. Finally we're starting to see Arthur and the rest do something besides stumble onto a problem. I feel that in order to take out the Unseelies, they are going to have to be offensive, rather than defensive.
********End Spoilers********
Well, that's all I have to say for now. Congrats on another excellent ep.
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:51:10 AM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu
[Quick reply.]
Coyote> For Rose's cyber-ear, perhaps you could have a point that retracts into the the ear when she turns human. I think it's possible if you make the ear canal opening small enough. Oh wait, they're small enough anyhow. (I have a thing about maggots, BTW. Ecch.)
Wilek Nereus
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:46:17 AM
IP: tnt-1-177-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
(Enter CR Lawyer)
I did NOT double post! I can prove it!
(CR Lawyer is eaten by a group of rabid alligators. What a group of rabid alligators is doing in the comment room is anyone's guess.)
CR Lawyer
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:46:16 AM
IP: spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com
(Enter CR Lawyer)
I just wanted to point out, I was actually the first to sign into the comment room this week. It was due to a computer error that I am being registered at the place I am. Being a lawyer, I can prove this. I intend to do so later.
By the way, I have viewed my deaths from a third person perspective, (I've been bringing a camera) and they are _not_T amusing.
And since you people are all so mean and keep killing me, I'm going to spoil the story without a warning! Bwahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha!
It starts with...
(CR Lawyer suddenly dies. No apparent reason for it, but it is later revealed that someone injected the CR Lawyer with a deadly virus earlier.)
CR Lawyer
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:43:33 AM
IP: spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com
(Enter CR Lawyer)
I just wanted to point out, I was actually the first to sign into the comment room this week. It was due to a computer error that I am being registered at the place I am. Being a lawyer, I can prove this. I intend to do so later.
By the way, I have viewed my deaths from a third person perspective, (I've been bringing a camera) and they are _not_T amusing.
And since you people are all so mean and keep killing me, I'm going to spoil the story without a warning! Bwahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha!
It starts with...
(CR Lawyer suddenly dies. No apparent reason for it, but it is later revealed that someone injected the CR Lawyer with a deadly virus earlier.)
CR Lawyer
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:41:45 AM
IP: spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com
===Spoiled Meat Warning===
Rotting beef is a great way to grow pet maggots.
==Spoiler Within the Spoiled Meat Warning===
Liked the new ep. Very X-Files-ish feel to it. Now I'm wondering what kind of tone the rest of the Unseelie war will take, whether it will be mysterious or like the record of a war.
===End Spoiler Within the Spoiled Meat Warning===
Steak Tartare is not the way to go.
===End Spoiled Meat Warning===
Wilek: Was just working over some pics of cyber-Rose this evening. Can't make up my mind how I want her ear to be, that's the problem, whether it should be pointed or rounded, as it would stay that way all the time.
And the first pic of *mine* coming from that story will actually carry over into the next ... the last scene with Rose and Rain in their embrace. And off in the distance ... Lina stands there watching them, shedding a single jealous tear.
As for Solomon ... I also want to do a pic of his hatching, or Ariana embracing him, one or the other.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:35:17 AM
IP: 207.91.254.70
SOOOO close to the first ten this week... But I had to read the story first... Which was up at 12:01 when I checked... Very prompt guys, you keep to your schedual....
X-Files is a rerun here! AGGGGGG!
SPOILERS
The story was good, though it was definatley a Pendragon story, and not half garg/pendragon as it is supposed to be... Ah well, the school scenes with Emrys were funny...
END SPOILERS
Not much else to say, the room is kinda empty this early in the week...
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:35:06 AM
IP: spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com
Tenth.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, November 2, 1998 12:11:09 AM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net
9th!
Hello all! Been quite a while since I posted in here, but I just wanted to note that the Gargoyles Fan Registry- now up to 179 fans- has been revised and reorganized, to make it easier to locate fellow fans. So please take a look and tell me what you think. :)
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:53:29 PM
IP: 201-208-218.ipt.aol.com
[Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, two Doom Commando cyber garg imps, the bikers, the Rolling Calf, SJ, and Frankie have gotten lost in the tunnels.] Man, I wish my watch's GPS worked down here. Even Miriam's gear can't handle whatever these walls are made of. The reinforcements I requisitioned from the Dark Star will never find us at this rate!
8th!
Kitainia> Glad to see the battle at UT is over. It was getting creepy. Um, I was really creeped out when you described the Black Ravens symbol. Why? Because it was almost exactly as I had imagined it, and I don't remember ever seeing a description of it. Ever wonder? BTW, my team's also headed for the Marsh Building after we're finished with Area 51.
TRC> Huh? Raoul can't talk. He's pretty much the creature from Alien, except he has wings and won't tear people apart on a whim. He has essentially the intelligence and personality of Bronx, and is structured that way except he's rather a lot leaner and has a much longer tail. He can't walk upright for more than a few seconds and he sure can't gather weapons. Are you sure it wasn't someone else? Jake, Teri, or one of the bikers perhaps? They have that kind of tech experience. BTW, 100 cybercookies to whomsoever can tell me why I named him Raoul. It has something to do with his appearance.
Doug> Hm, I like the direction you're taking this RP. And I loved those creativity demons!
Zath> Oh, I only did that to Thailog Horror because there was something about Thailog in a speedo that disturbed me to no end. Hm, my dad had all kinds of old spellbooks. Theresa? [Theresa teleports Wilek to his house, where he picks up a spellbook. She teleports him to the CR, where he casts a time-reversal spell on the remains of Thailog Horror, regressing him to a point several seconds before he would have died, then tosses him a spare pair of shorts.] Better? [Theresa teleports Wilek back to the tunnels.]
CR Lawyer> Actually, if you ever get the opportunity to see your various deaths in the third person, you'll agree that they look pretty kewl. Like this one. [Wilek casts an implosion spell on the Lawyer. Remember what the house did at the end of Poltergeist?] I'm only an amateur at using these spellbooks, BTW.
MrNoying> I always assumed that Kovu wasn't related by blood to Scar, but was adopted by him at an early age. They'd still have the father-son relationship, but this theory would avoid those messy inbreeding concerns. Hm, the rock and stick thing sounds like something out of Bonkers or Marsupilami.
Aris> Actually, Madoc's minions may in fact consider themselves darkness oppressed by light. Anoth himself here believes that darkness is not necessarily synonymous with evil. (But then, he composes songs with names like "Dark Benediction" and designs homes that look just like Arkham Asylum, so perhaps he's not the best frame of reference.) Regarding the ColdTrio and Thailog, they *will* show up in TGS at some point. Dumlao X left us a very coy message to that effect at some point.
****SPOILERS AHEAD FOR COYOTE'S LATEST FIC GO READ IT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY****
Coyote> I presume that there will be pics of cyber-Rose and Ariana's kid.
****END SPOILERS HAVE A NICE DAY****
SJ> You know, Dad was also in the movie It. He was dressed as a clown of all things. At least it was a male clown. Eep. Hey, if you're a Cenobite fan, click my name.
Mandi> Thanks! ^_^
Well, we have to find out where we are in the tunnels, and find Area 51. [Suddenly the team finds an alcove where there's a large computer workstation.] YES! Finally we can find out a few things, like where we are, how Thailog took over Area 51, how he found out about the Dark Star, and what he's planning to do with a stealth starship. [Wilek, Jake, and anyone else with hacking experience set to work on it, while the cyber garg imps cyberjack directly into the computer to help them. To be continued...]
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:43:53 PM
IP: tnt-1-177-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
AARRRGGGGHHHH!!!! It happened again! Oh well that means I'm lucky SEVEN!!!
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:38:09 PM
IP: 167-27-247.ipt.aol.com
SIXTH!!! YEA! I made it into the top ten this week!
Sorry but I must go now; have to read the new story. Replies will be in the next post!
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:36:31 PM
IP: 167-27-247.ipt.aol.com
Depending on how fast this goes through, anywhere from 6th to 8th.
Christine: Excellent new fic. More frightening than enlightening, actually.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:35:03 PM
IP: 207.91.254.70
Nexted
Lexton - [fgpape]
SA, TX, USA
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:29:11 PM
IP: spider-ta032.proxy.aol.com
4th!
A.J. - [avalon1024@aol.com]
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:25:12 PM
IP: spider-th052.proxy.aol.com
Wow, the comment room feels so big and empty and echo-y
Zath
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:15:33 PM
IP: ns4-05.viptx.net
3rd! :)
Xander
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:12:47 PM
IP: 207.152.160.35
2nd!
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:10:31 PM
IP: ns4-05.viptx.net
Even a king needs a job
"Beginning Again"
Story Idea by Kathy Pogge
Written by Todd Jensen and Aaron Ziegler
Enjoy!
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Sunday, November 1, 1998 11:08:23 PM
IP: pool0024-max8.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net