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MANDI - Set was a bit of a controversy for us when we discussed the Egyptian pantheon in relation to the Unseelie War; most of us saw him as evil, but there were one or two exceptions, who pointed out that he wasn't always a villain in Egyptian mythology. (In particular, he actually fought alongside Ra against the great serpent Apep/Apophis). That's all that I'm at liberty to say for now.

The person whom you really want to question on Egyptian gods, of course, is Nicodemus. He's a real expert on the subject (as his Sekhmet dissertation from last week shows).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:13:44 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-52.primary.net

Mary Sues> Oh, boy. My $.02 on the subject is that a character with a lot of Mary Sue qualities is not automatically a bad or annoying character. (Witness Avery and Rowan.) But a lot of Mary Sue qualities increases the character's potential to be annoying tenfold. You can write a character with a lot of MS qualities, but it's consequently much more difficult to flesh the character out enough for him/her to rise above the MS stigma. Missy's test is extremely helpful pertaining to Trek and Garg fiction; I conned her into adapting the test for fanfics pertaining to...please don't throw a fit when you hear this...Power Rangers. **ducks the rotten fruit thrown at her** Hey, knock it off! PR Mary Sues have to be among the most grating MS characters I've read. Oh well...

Stormy> No problem. I loved it so much I just had to share! You know, if you can't upload stories, you could appoint someone to get into your author directory on the GFW archive and post them for you. I'd advise a trustworthy someone.

Todd> I've been doing a little research for the Garg/SG-1/TP crossover that I've plugged shamelessly in here, and was wondering. According to the book I've got, Ra, Anubis, Horus, Osiris, Isis, and Thoth are considered to be "good", while Set, Sekhmet, and Apep/Apophis are considered to be evil. (This is derived from the myth that says that Anubis was Osiris' illegitimate son by Set's wife, but that's not totally relevant to my question.) If you do introduce further Egyptian gods into the Unseelie War, would the gods I've mentioned be on the good/evil sides according to the book? I'm asking this because I've seen some fics that incorporate Egyptian myth into their plots, and Set is always evil. Whatever. You can ignore this if it doesn't make sense.

As usual, I'm avoiding doing work, so I'd better get to it. Until the new ep is posted,

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:08:06 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

**RP!!!**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote's tank and crew zooming toward the River Walk to provide backup for Doug and Kitainia. Preston is still securely tied to the fender of the tank.**

Hi, guys. We're on our way to help out the Ravens after taking out the morons and their tank.

<"Hey, Coyote, what's that?">

**All eyes turn toward the tied up bully, as Ravyn asks. Preston starts to fade out.**

Hey! What happened to the magnetic jammer thingie?!

<"Uhh, Coyote ... we fired the turret. The recoil must have shorted it out.">

D'OH!! I knew we should've just used the RPG's.

**Preston fades completely out.**

Well, crud. We're back to square one, and we still didn't find out anything else about the earthquake projector. Well, let's make some replies while we cruise along. **END RP FOR NOW!!**

Mary Sues: By the two definitions given here, I have placed two left-handed Mary Sues into my fics, purely by accident:
Love interest: Obviously, that would have to be Rain. (Wouldn't I call him a Bobby Joe, then? ;)
Author cameos: The only one I've put in is that Steve Bluestone drives my Cadillac.

AOL IM: Well I certainly had a fun time with Mandi, Robby and JEB last night (fun thing to try tonight: keeping current with three IM conversations at 1 AM.). And I just had an extended nice chat with Skydancer. So I'm getting good use out of it, thus far.

Ravyn: Well, here's hoping you get to go, at least!

Mandi: Yep. See you online right now. Mind if I drop you a line ...? ;)

Censoring anime: You should see the hack-jobs Sci-Fi channel has to do on their annual "Japanimation Festival" (ugh, I hate the name!!). It hasn't really been any good since the first year they did it (when they showed Dominion: Tank Police (both parts), Project A-Ko and The Venus Wars, all in one week! Personally, I'm waiting for them to put A Wind Named Amnesia on.).

Mary: OUCH! **winces in sympathetic pain.**

SOROW: I noticed your absence as well. Glad to have ya back.

Heather: Writing a ST novel? Kewl ... maybe sometime I'll tell you about the Voyager script I only got halfway through writing before terminal writer's block took over ...

Coyote and the Mazas (sounds like the name of a band! ;): I already put in my two cents about this one in my fics.

Deuce: You think that's bad? My Wings started a road trip by losing to the much-hated-Claude-Lemieux-is-the-Antichrist Avalanche this last week. (They did manage to beat the Kings last night, though, not that it's saying much. And that's considering Ozzie's out right now and Norm Maracle is in goal.)

New machine: Thanks for the congratulations. Now I can finally get up to speed in the real world. YAY!

**RESUME RP!!**The tank begins bearing down on the River Walk. Coyote's whipping the backside of the turret for some weird reason.*

GIDDYAP, HORSEY!

<"What's going on with him?" "Speedlust, don't mind him. This happens all the time, Rav." "Ohh ...">

**The tank comes up behind the Ravens, speeding to help Doug and Kitainia as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:02:43 PM
IP: modem73.i-is.com

DURID - In that case, I think that what you're really thinking of is "News From the South".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 6, 1998 09:42:51 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-52.primary.net

**Kyryn walks in the door with a small fuzzy wolf (about the size of a cat).**

Hey all, this is Stefan Wolf. RL he's a fuzzy hand puppet with an attitude. Yes, his name is a pun for the band. Just thought I'd add two cents to the name pronunciation.

Accidents> Kind of funny that this topic should come up. I was hit this weekend. Not my fault. The poor Saturn got blindsided by a Nissan Pathfinder coming out of a driveway. Luckily no one was hurt! Funny, it was up in Bandera, and one of the witnesses was the Bandera Chief of Police. We had three black and whites on the scene in minutes. Oh well, the poor Saturn is going to need a new windshield (it got cracked and a small hole on the passenger side), a new radio antenna (Ack! No radio!), and new panels on the passenger side. (I really should've gone to Denton this weekend :) )

Wilek> *l* - I remembered that line from Aliens, I think. It seemed appropriate.

Doug> Sorry about the link. I had to finish my post in kind of a hurry, but no harm done. My views on both religion and firearms pretty much parallel yours. I just have problems when people like Sarah Brady try to legislate my right to protect myself out of existence as she seems to be trying again.

Green Baron> Religion and Politics - You'd like my fiance. Too bad he doesn't post here, but he's not a huge gargs fan.

Spike> *l*

Deuce> I think that we are agreeing to disagree. Unless I'm mistaken, the Stars play your team either tonight or tomorrow. :) . BTW, I had a 'rumour' (that was actually the truth) follow me from grade school through high school. My sympathies. My solution was to ignore it mostly, and the guys who brought it up were usually labeled instant jerks unless they just wanted to know the real circumstances and weren't trying to use it to bug me.

Jackal> Regarding suicide - I had thoughts and came close during the depths of my depression. Luckily I realized that it was my messed up brain chemistry and not the 'real' me. Happily I'm much better and not going there again.

Coyote> Congrats on the new machine. Wish I could get my pentium at home to work properly so I could post from home.

Christine> LOL

Aris> I think that you are forgetting that Emrys is in the body of a hormonally unstable young man. Normally he might be able to deal with this in an 'adult' fashion, but now he will tend to blow events out of proportion and his frustrations will become evident. Also, consider, Macbeth *still* has problems with revisionist history and he's also been dealing with it for a long time.

SOROW> Good to see you back.

Heather> I liked the pic.

**Stefan looks at Kyryn. This fun place. Stef like! Kyryn and Stef both leave**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Sunday, December 6, 1998 09:01:16 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

T.J.: Actually, I did mean Pilgramage. I am not talking about the three visiting priests, though they could be part of Madoc's plans as well. I was talking about the people who drove that one clan of Gargoyles out of the city they lived in. A city where Gargoyles and humans were actually living in peace until these hate-mongers started stirring things up. Then when that murder happened, 'apprently' by a Gargoyle.... well, the ones who were passing through Wyvern only survived because they were out hunting for a few days. It was those hate-mongers I was talking about.
Durid - [durid@bitstream.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 6, 1998 08:43:07 PM
IP: dialupj209.mpls.uswest.net

GREEN BARON - So Matt's Jewish, eh? Kind of amusing, in view of the fact that one of the recent "X-Files" episodes said that "Mulder" is a Jewish name. BTW, I heard that joke about Jesus and Peter in Sunday School once, when I was around 11 or 12.

RELIGION - Actually, the "Dark Ages" story in question was "Perspectives" rather than "Pilgrimage" (trust me, I wrote "Perspectives"). I had a lot of fun writing it, since it gave me the opportunity to explore the whole business of where Christianity would stand on the gargoyles, with Brother Edmund taking one side, the three visiting priests the other. (I'm particularly proud of supplying through Brother Edmund's mouth an explanation for how the gargoyles can be involuntarily nocturnal without being demons or demonic in nature).

I've my own suspicions that Madoc infiltrated the Church and helped encourage that anti-gargoyle attitude, but I don't think that it was his entire doing. There had to be some xenophobia there for him to work with, for a start. On the other hand, it probably amused him to corrupt a religion originally based on peace, love, and the notion that we are all God's children, into one based on persecution, bloodshed, and so on, producing things such as the Spanish Inquisition. I can easily imagine Madoc taking part in things like the Inquisition and various witch-hunts, as a little token of whose side the people doing those things *really* were on, even if they thought that they were serving God when they were doing them.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 6, 1998 06:32:09 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-139.primary.net

I think the main problem with "Mary-Sue" type characters is that it's boring to read about an absolutely perfect character whom everyone loves who is invincible. It's too cliched. If you're going to introduce someone as a love interest, etc, you have to really concentrate on character development or else the story fizzles into one more happily-ever-after caricature.

I agree that Angela seems to be the prototype Mary Sue. However, the series' character development, and the fact that Angela has to LEARN to fight and adapt to the modern world, and her interesting relationship with Demona made up for that.

Another side note...when I first started writing fanfics...(I look back at AASHLEE: LOST SOUL and grit my teeth, saying it wasn't bad for a first attempt) ...originally, Aashlee was supposed to be my main character and Wagner only secondary supporting cast...problem is, no sooner did I introduce Wagner than I found I couldn't stop writing fics with him. He's got more depth than Aashlee and I just find him more interesting. And while Aashlee may flirt with Mary-Sue-ism, especially in the first fic, Wagner...well...he's another case...

Mandi: thanx for the Shameless Plug ;-)
Stormy - [<--WAGNER SAYS, "CLICKEN SIE"!]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 06:25:43 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

**Green Baron appears in his trademark green three-piece suit**

Hello all! I was just inducted into Phi Beta Lambda, Future Business Leaders of America. I know have another Business related organization and more contacts for future job opportunities. Hopefully, some will be Investment Bankers.

Mary Sue> Merlin Missy has a test used to determine what level of Mary Sue one is. I did a draft fanifc that I recalled, and the character was too Mary Sueish and also useless fo rthe plot, so I'm doing soem definite revisions. My first fanfic will be a "lost episode" of Avalon where teh four trekkers :) meet Prospero in the Carribean. As soon as I have it typed, shredded by a proofreader and re-done, it's going to you, Christine for AvMists.

As for Mary Sue quality, Tara O'Shea did an excellent job, but others are not as good. There are also male Mary Sue characters, including soem that are created by the original writers, like Wesley Crusher. Before you create a character, it might be good to take Merlin Missy's Mary Sue litmus test.

Aris> According to the almighty Greg, the Mazas are 100% human, but in your fanfic Universes, laissez faire.

Religion in fics> In my pilot fic, I had the gargs rescue Cardinal O'Connor, but I noticed soem of the themes were a little too imposing, which is one of faults and biases, so I will always have aproofreader who can warn me of certain mistakes. I talekd to Greg about the whole idea, and he said it should be used when appropriate, and only when it advances the plot. BTW, he also told me that Matt Bluestone is Jewish, and Matt's beliefs are similar to Greg.

Religion in General> That and politics are discussions I love, but not many share my fondness. Another great thing are all the jokes you can generate regarding a faith, especially your own. I think Doug would remember when my card key was having trouble, so I made the sign of the cross before I tried to open the door. Here's an example of one of my favorite religious jokes:

When Jesus was on the cross, he called out, "Peter! Peter!"
Peter came, but the guards pushed him away. Jesus called out again, "Peter! Peter!", but the same happened. After two more futile attempts, Jesus cried out, "Peter! Peter!". Peter arrived before the guards could stop him and said, "Yes. What is it, my Lord?"
Jesus responded, "Peter! Peter! I can see your house from here."

I know that was bad, but taht's one of my favorite jokes. I also the preacher voices, too.

Now I must leave for a Deltasig meeting. Bye!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Sunday, December 6, 1998 05:13:54 PM
IP: 141.164.133.107

Aris: Okay, maybe I have things wrong. Thanks for correcting me. I will go back, read the stories again, and reestablish my opinion.

Christine: Aiden, Elektra, and Birdie Mary Sues? Oh, come on! :)

Robby: If what you're planning to do in San Antonio involves the monsters in any way, you better do it quick. In the next RP post Doug or I make, we'll be removing them from the city.
Kitainia
Sunday, December 6, 1998 04:04:20 PM
IP: hil-qbu-ptf-vty60.as.wcom.net

ARIS> You got the Mary Sue definition right, but I dunno about your examples.

Oh, and everyone else: I FINALLY GOT ICQ!!! My UIN is 25105603, so anyone who wants to chat may do so.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 04:03:03 PM
IP: ppp0098.connect.ab.ca

Mary Sues> Let me see if I get this straight: Mary Sue is a female character who manages to be an absolute goddess defeating every evil character, impressing every good character, almost never making any wrong decision, and always fearless and bold wooes and is wooed by the male sex symbol of the series, and proceeds to ride into the sunset with him, am I correct? That's pretty much the definition I was thinking of.

Kitainia> Trust me, Gemini is definitely not a Mary Sue character. I can't put enough emphasis in this. No way in hell she could be considered a Mary Sue character. I can think of very few female heroines who are less Mary Sue-ish than she is. Read 'Gemini' and 'Mutatis Mutandis' (and the rest of the Athenaverse ofcourse) if you like.

Btw, besides Rowan isn't Spike's Avery a Mary Sue as well?
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 03:45:46 PM
IP: athe530-a102.otenet.gr

Green Baron > I heard that! ; )

Kitania > ya know, a lot of people thought that Aiden was a Mary-Sue. Then people thought Elektra was. People must not know me very well ; ) If I have one, it's Birdie Yale <g>

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 03:24:57 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

I don't usually post on Sundays, but today I make an exception (despite the size of the room).

COLDSTONE> Yeah, the Lightning smoked the Oilers on Friday. My team seems to be winning ev'ry OTHER game. Not good it we want the playoffs again.

MARY SUE> A "Mary-Sue" is a female character (mostly) in fan fiction who winds up falling for the series' resident sex-symbol, and they ride off into the sunset. VERY annoying.

***SPOILERS FOR THE LION KING II FOLLOW!***

Well... not bad. The music and animation weren't quite up to par, but Kiara was an absolutely lovable character, and Kovu had a lot more depth than your average Disney leading male. I, for one, found it to be a lot darker than many other Disney movies, especially Zera's "Lullaby". Damn frightening, that one.

***NO MORE SPOILERS**

That'll be all for now. See y'all tomorrow! (Lunchtime, likely; I have to use the morning computer period for homework).

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Sunday, December 6, 1998 02:48:59 PM
IP: ppp0098.connect.ab.ca

***The winds suddenly rise, making a bunch of leaves form a minature torando. When they disperse they reveal the form of Durid!***

Sevarius Jr.: I believe that Willow becomes a Vampire. And you know what happens in Buffy's world when a person becomes a Vampire. They die, and a demon takes the place of the soul in the body left behind. I am sorry to tell you Jr., but that isn't really Willow.

Wilek: Hyproicy - Not really. Just politicts in action. Have to plase some people some of the time, and displease them another time.
Leos taking over the world - YES! Go forth and conquer, our army!.... Um, Wilek, just who are we conquering anyway?

Sorrow: I have a feeling we are going to get death when the Unseele war really starts. Right now it is just in opening moves and massing of forces.

Aris: Coyte and Mazas - Eaaah. Oh, what the heck, lets make a couple of perdication, and see if they come true or not.
1. I believe it will turn out that Coyte and Maza will be more like a generations old friendship. Each respects the other, Coyte was just rembering an incident with Beth's Grandmother.
2. When Dark Ages re-starts, we will find out that Madoc has inflitrated the church, and is behind their anti-Gargoyle belief. He has done this to prevent the prophesy of his destruction from coming about. You may rember the hate-mongers in "Pilgrimage" in the first season. Sounds like a Madoc-plan to me.

And Morrigon, she is the one who is first set on trial 11,000 years ago, but had it intruppted because of Oberon and Madoc's father's death. Morrigon is also the 'crow' who sees Elisa and Goliath sharing a tender moment when the Unseele were attacking New York.

Heather: Really? I thought it was something like a kind-and-innocent chacter. If Angela is a Mary Sue to your defination, who is she a Mary Sue of?

And writeing a Star Trek Novel? You don't mean part of that paperback seris that has dozens of authors on it? How did you become a part of that?

***The winds rise once again, making a swarm of leave go around Durid, obscureing him. And when they settle down, Durid is gone.***
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 6, 1998 02:43:26 PM
IP: dial-207-225-154-216.mpls.uswest.net

Aris > As I know a Mary-Sue character is where you the author put yourself into the story. Like I have one Star Trek novel I'm writing * Blushes * where somehow I am transported into the Star Trek universe....on the U.S.S. Voyager to be right. I'm writing it and I'm also in it.

So far my novel story is only 7 chapters long. On paper to be right. Took me a week. It's pretty long.

I need more comments about my pic.

Spike > Your "Ricky" picture on your Art Gallery , she looks exactly like my "Cassie Maza" character in my fan-fic "Future's Turning" .
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 02:19:14 PM
IP: 209-186-48.ipt.aol.com

Aris: Your definition of a Mary Sue is probably correct. I just see Gemini as one because from the little I've read of her, she's always kicking ass and taking names, getting all smoochy with Mars, or being liked by the clan. That makes her feel Mary Sue-ish to me. I probably haven't read as much of the Athenaverse as you, you don't seem to share my feelings about the character, I'm sorry. I really don't want to start a debate over this issue, I was just stating my opinion. Hope this puts your mind at ease.

SOROW: I noticed you weren't here, and missed you. But there was so much else going on I didn't say anything. Sorry. (Boy, do you constantly feel the emotion that is your name!

See everyone with RP after the CR is cleared. Later!
Kitainia
Sunday, December 6, 1998 01:00:01 PM
IP: hil-c45-008-vty54.as.wcom.net

*creeps in*

No, I did NOT get my name from the Simpsons!*L*

Now if I were a guy at my school, I would be getting birthday beatings! I would get pounded for as many minutes as I am old.*shudders*

*creeps out*
Mary Flanders
Sunday, December 6, 1998 12:36:54 PM
IP: ramp-1-14.ucdavis.edu

Mary Sue characters> Could someone give me a brief explanation of what a Mary-Sue character is? I've heard a definition, but I'm puzzled to how it could be apply to Ryan Stout's Gemini, so perhaps I've got it wrong.

Beth as 'witch'> Yeah, I know it's not the best word I could have used. I meant it in the general 'magic-user' sense.

Coyote and Mazas> I think that I too would prefer Elisa Maza to be completely human. Perhaps something else then. A favour the Mazas did for Coyote, and one the Coyote is still grateful after many generations, perhaps? I think this has potential

Crow-Morrigan> Hmm... That's a problem for me. I've not read every single Pendragon of the first season. I'll have to go back to know who the Morrigan is.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 05:49:55 AM
IP: athe530-e014.otenet.gr

I guess nobody noticed that I wasn't here all week :(

Happy birthday to all those I missed. I was really busy this week.

To anyone>Princess Bride is a favorite of mine too.

***SPOILER'S ***
Actually, I guess everybody's read it already. I just finished it, and I thought it was pretty good. What I'm most curious about is when Madoc was looking into the mirror, and I think we can safely say the stocky red gargoyle was Brooklyn. I wonder what Madoc did to the world. I think it would be really cool if one of the gargoyles in Manhattan was injected with a disease by the Unseelie. The suspense and mere death experience would really add character development into the story, and we need more of it.
***END SPOILER'S***

Well, bye for now.
SOROW
Sunday, December 6, 1998 02:48:03 AM
IP: usr2-4-dialup25.mix1.irving.cw.net

31 OR 32 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!
Woah, the rooms at 450K now... Maybe DumaloaX will clear it early this week because of it...

Wilek-I would counter what you said about Leos with some information I recently came accross, but then I'd be saying too much.
As far as the Sailor Moon being censored... Among other things, its a Japanese cartoon, so its gonna get censored anyway, since Japan has different ideas about whats okay to air on television. SM is missing a lot of things from the Japanese version, including nudity, minor cussing, certain character traits, (That cats have a more interesting relationship in the Jap. version, and a gay guy was turned female...) and clearly, the crosses were also cut out. Plus, its shown at a kid friendly time-slot on a kid friendly station. And Cartoon Network censors a lot, like certain scenes from Robotech, (Heck, the whole Invid invasion was cut because there's a cross dresser in the first couple episodes.) and they also cut the Sonov-a-vitch song from Road Rovers, among other things. I wouldn't have double posted here with the room as full as it is, but I hate censorship in all its many forms and had to say something about it...

Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 01:30:22 AM
IP: spider-tp073.proxy.aol.com

**RP**
[The landing craft and SJ's TIE Scimitar are barely holding their own in a battle between the Empire and the Dark Star's forces. Wilek: "We have to get on board the Dark Star! I've been listening to their comm channels, and this whole thing started when some saboteurs on board disabled the DS's shields!" Jake: "Easier said than done, man! There's a snot load of TIE fighters out there and a lot of them aren't on our side. Some have enemy pilots, but they're of Dark Star registry, so this thing's threat assessment system won't let me shoot 'em!" Miriam: "Why don't you simply deactivate it?" Teri: "It asked us for a password!" Miriam: "What? That should be impossible..." Wilek: "More sabotage, has to be. We have to get on that station and figure out what happened..." This whole thing would make a great fanfic.]
**PAUSE RP**

Interesting thought> They edited out some scenes in Sailor Moon where the girls were tied to crystal crosses. Yet they left in a scene in The Lawnmower Man where Jobe affixes that one guy to a black cross and tortures him. This was not on a premium channel, this was broadcast. Hypocrisy?

Coyote> YES!!! Congratulations on the upgrade, man! Finally, you've rid yourself of that old calculator and gotten a REAL machine! There's something about owning powerful machinery that does something real interesting to the male ego, isn't there? I know that's the case with me. It makes you want to hike up your pants, sniff, and say in a redneck voice: "Yeah, I got me a Pentium now. What *you* got under that there hood, boy?" Well, that's the effect on humans anyhow, at least according to Scott Adams. We gargs tend to beat our chests like Tarzan, roar a little more than usual, and speak like a knight issuing a challenge. (Fortunately, I was able to resist that particular urge for several days after getting my current computer.) Speaking as a former 386 owner (a time long since past, thank Oberon), I know just how excited you are about this. BTW, I think you'll have an easier time installing that scanner, now that you probably have Windows 95 or 98.

Fleur> Ack, you have to leave?! <snif> Come back soon...

Leos taking over the world> Actually they're just the foot soldiers for us Capricorns. Heh heh heh...

GB> <<That would just kick ass!!>> Really, what would the Pope say about such language? ;) j/k Eh, Santa Claus was killed a few centuries ago? Now THERE's a Timedancer story. I wonder if that'll show up in the holiday issue of Avalon Mists...

"The Princess Bride"> Go to www.rinkworks.com and click the image that says something like "Duel Of The Ages" for a bizarre but entertaining story with about a gazillion TPB quotes.

Heather> Sailor Midael ROCKS!!!

Ravyn> Ack, you're leaving too? We'll miss you...

Theresa> <<Names and phrases are funny. Something totally innocuous to one person, could get you shot by someone else.>> That reminds me. The former principal of a friend of mine's school, surnamed Hammond (the principal not the school), had a relative who would hit anyone who pronounced his last name as "Hammonds", which was an easy mistake to make because there was a student at that school named Hammonds. Hm. <<We all know eggplants aren't too intelligent.>> You been in SJ's lab recently? When I was there, several of the things were debating about quantum mechanics and chaos theory as applied to Fey abilities. No matter how weird any of your lives are, I think SJ could top it.

Jackal> Suicide?! That's never the way to go, man. If there's something particular that happened to cause you to get like this, then we can help. Feel free to vent here if you feel you need to. Believe me, if we lose you, we're losing a very welcome amount of twistedness in the CR.

Religion in Gargs> Well, in my fanfic, there's Forfexx here who was actually Longinus. And Anoth here is a Greek Catholic.

**RESUME RP**
[The landing craft and the Scimitar finally make it into one of the Dark Star's numerous landing bays--and are greeted with the sight of several of Guod's Borg shock troops fighting it out with Dark Star stormtroopers and automated defenses. Wilek: "So *this* is who's been sabotaging things...it figures that Zale, Jerec, AND Guod are all in on this..." Several Borg scuttlers happen to see the team and open fire...SJ: "Oh, SHOOT! Man, I had my fill of those stupid things back at Area 51!"]
**END RP**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, December 6, 1998 01:03:06 AM
IP: tnt-2-176-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

I'll keep it short now, the room is way past 400K, and it doesn't get cleared until tomarrow! Jackal-Don't think about suicide. Stephen- There is no FF8 yet. Mandi and Ravyn- Thanx for the story links, I haven't read them yet. Durid- I'll proofread your stuff. May as well, I'm proofing like four other people's stories already... Mary- Happy early B-Day! Coyote-I'm IMing you right now... And lastly, Total Recall 2070 is going to be a series, not a movie.
RPers, try not to take the battle out of SA yet, I want to do something monday RP related after the room clears...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 12:04:00 AM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

SJ> I think it's a "what if Buffy never showed up" scenario; my money is that Willow ended up as a vampire.

Kitania> **raises hand** I got it! I got it! :)

People for Plants> Gee, that IP sounds familiar, doesn't it, Spike? ;)

Geez, I haven't IMmed in a long time, but what the heck: if anyone's curious, my screen name is Mandolin 6. (Someone else had my nickname! Sob!)


Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 11:55:45 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Coyote> Oh, I'm not thinking of staying behind just because of the RP! It is fun and all, but I wouldn't miss a tournament for it! (no offense!) It's just that the coach is only going to take so many players, and if he decides to bring along one of the really good JV girls, then I get to stay behind. :( Oh, well, either way, I'm sure I'll have fun! :)

Kitainia> Thanks for the support! :)
Ravyn
Saturday, December 5, 1998 11:40:12 PM
IP: svm-ts6-15.c2i2.com

Got back from "A Bug's Life" and I and my daughter LOVED it! I especially liked the fact Jonathan Harris (The ORIGNIAL Dr. Smith from Lost In Space) had a part in it!

Deuce> What!? Cursing my Second Hometown??? What? Did the Lighting beat out your hockey team? The Bucs win last week? What did Tampa do? <smiles> Not angry, just curious.

Rayvn> Yep, I get that a lot. People call me 'Steven' and a few do the 'Stefan'...

Maintain and Check Six! ***goes off chuckling at the line "How many cockroaches does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Don't know! Soon as the light goes on, they SCATTER!"***
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, December 5, 1998 11:36:09 PM
IP: m4.ieway.com

I just had to add this.

I saw a commercial for the new Buffy episode. It has Willow....I guess under a spell or something....and let's just say she's all freaky and wearin' leather. And she's lickin' people. I swear to God, Joss Whedon ripped this one right out of my fantasies...

DEUCE: Yes, actually, it hurts me to be the voice of reason. I had a headache for hours afterward. Finally, I can be goofy again!

DOUG: Um...excuse me...but I don't remember saying that you force your beliefs on anyone. I saw you two guys getting pissed off, and I just wanted to cool you guys down.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 11:24:23 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

**RP!** On the highway, Coyote's tank pulls up beside the Onslaught and he talks with Jammer and Gubio about the various Borg-monster problems. The Ravens inside the truck realize Doug and Kitainia need their help and decide to head for the River Walk, where they were last seen. The two vehicles drive off, Mitsuki and Mothra having turned away from them to respond to a call for help from Godzilla. On the road itself, meanwhile, four flattened heads suddenly pop up. "Borgis and Butt-Borg!" Borgcut rages. "Do you morons even know how to drive a tank?" Butt-Borg answers, "Uh, no." "It doesn't matter if they do or not," says Borg Dreissen. "The tank's been destroyed now, okay?" "And if it wasn't for their stupidity, we'd still have it!" yells Borgcut. "Next time I'm driving!" "Aren't we, like, supposed to be giving the orders here?" asks Borgis. The four then vanish through one of Guod's portals for repairs on their smashed bodies.

The screen changes to the Alamo, where the good guys are enjoying watching the monsters kill each other. King Kong has already perished on the good side due to Godzilla burning his fur off, but not before he broke all three of Ghidra's necks, also taking that monster out of the fight. Godzilla and his mechanical double are now facing off against Gigan, Megalon, and the spike-shelled Anguilias. The sides seem evenly matched. Inside the Alamo itself, Kitainia smiles and turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP**

Coyote: Don't worry, it's completely okay. I was just pointing out the possible consequences of you doing that in the RP. Good job taking out the morons' tank, even if they did survive being flattened. (How they did probably has something to do with their assimilation programs.) Hope you guys can find us at the Alamo, the remaining monsters are fighting each other to a standstill but we need to kill them all before any more of San Antonio is destroyed.

Robby: I hear they're also making a Total Recall 2, hope it's at least as good as the first movie.

Green Baron: Well, these clowns don't exactly consider a lot of people saints other than themselves. And they are by no means saints, as everyone knows by now. Their play was supposed to be a reenactment of the first South Park ep, twisted to suit their purposes. Making a terrible cartoon even worse of course only increases my dislike of them.

Jackal: *SPOILERS* Read your third fic. So it was all a dream, huh? Good, I was getting pretty freaked out and worried all throughout. Although I liked what you did with Angela. She's the closest thing Gargoyles has ever had to a Mary Sue character, and was shown to be quite different in your saga. Kudos! *SPOILERS END*

Speaking of Mary Sues, I'm glad they aren't in most of the good fanfic universes such as TGS or Christine's work. A lot of fanfic writers out there unfortunately fall into the trap with characters like Kjay's Mysteria or Ryan Stout's Gemini. (This is just my opinion, I know it is not shared by a lot of people.) Then there are the ones like Tara O'Shea's Rowan, who are enjoyable even if they are Mary Sue-ish. One of Doug's characters, Changeling, has also been accused of being a Mary Sue type recently. If any who have read the events concerning her in "Masterpiece" and/or "Through the Ages" here agree, fear not. She's not going to stay that way forever. In fact, in her next appearance, she will make several very big mistakes. Uh oh, Doug's not going to like this, I'm giving away his plans again. Better get on to the next topic before I reveal any more.

Jackal: I've come the closest to committing suicide here of anyone, I think. You don't purposely crash into a tree while skiing and expect to live, right? If it wasn't for my family and the local hospital, I wouldn't be here today. The episode brought us all pain and anger, it was not fun. I'm still dealing with the consequences. What's the lesson from this? Suicide is never the right thing, it's just the easy way out of life. It's an escape, not a solution. If you die, your friends and family really experience pain. If you live, it's even worse because you have to face the problems that brought you to trying it. Plus, if you do kill yourself, you deny yourself all the happiness that could come when things get better, as they always do. I would never have met Doug, or anyone in here, if that branch had gotten an inch closer to my heart, and for that I'm grateful. You'll probably be able to say the same once your pain has passed. If you let the pain win and kill yourself, it will only continue. For others if not for you. I told Gore as much when he had thoughts of suicide a while ago. Now I'm telling you. Hope for your sake that you'll also listen.

Todd: Thanks for the interesting King Arthur info. I look forward to hearing more next week. St. Cadoc, huh? Wonder if he ever met the fay whose name rhymes with his.

Mandi: I've read "Wagner's Vendetta" and would recommend it to everyone here as well-written and hilarious! The best Vinnie fic I've ever read. It also has good development on Wagner, the Pack's terrible twins, and Demona. Kudos to Stormy for the entertainment!

Ravyn: Miss you, good luck at the game. I know you'll win, I have a feeling. <crosses fingers>

Durid: I proofread for Doug all the time, I could probably do it for you also. Feel free to send your stories to my e-mail. I'll also read them and give you feedback.

People for Plants: Your organization must be led by Pamela Isley, or she is/was a member of it. (Everyone knows who I'm talking about, right?)

That's all for now. Later!
**RP AGAIN** Mitsuki and Mothra arrive at the Alamo and join in the battle. They are both quickly killed, Mothra blown to bits by Megalon's lightning rays and Anguilias crushing Mitsuki underneath him in a spikes-down shell dive after Borg-Godzilla throws him up in the air. Anguilias is unfortunately now laying on his back and thus helpless. Before he can roll over again, Borg-Godzilla walks over and slices his belly open with claws, then blows radioactive fire into his former friend's innards. The spiky turtle roars in extreme pain and dies. Now it's just Godzilla and Mecha-Godzilla versus Gigan and Megalon. Kitainia and the others with her watch as the battle continues, Janice warning the US Armed Forces to "stay back and let the monsters finish each other" via her cell phone. The screen fades out, to be continued. **END RP AND POST**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 11:17:26 PM
IP: fac-b-x8.lib.utexas.edu

Sorry for the double post ... anyone in here with AOL Instant Messenger, look for me (my AOL IM name: CoyoteBndo)!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, December 5, 1998 11:04:31 PM
IP: modem92.i-is.com

**picketeers bearing signs reading "Veggie Rights!" and "Politically Correct Veggies Today!" stampede through the TGS Comment Room.**
People for Plants
Saturday, December 5, 1998 10:58:00 PM
IP: dal-as3-2065.cmpu.net

Well the mystery is solved. We all know eggplants aren't too intelligent. By the by, Inuit people are most commonly called Eskimo. They dislike the name for several reasons, one it is the name given them by another tribe one of their enemies, and the lose translation is "eater of fish". My understanding of that translation is fighting words. Sometimes it helps to ask. Like Stephen.
I pronounce it with an f i.e. Stefen. Others pronounce it with a v. i.e. Steven. In part, my grandfather was a Stefen and my nephew is a Stefen not Steven. Names and phrases are funny. Something totally innocuous to one person, could get you shot by someone else.

I tryed to rent Mask of Zorro today. Hastings was out of 85 copies, which was great. I get a free rental when I go back in a couple of days. I might even get around to seeing X-files.

Bedtime calls people. Nite, nite.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 10:57:33 PM
IP: proxy-311.public.rwc.webtv.net

Sorry again. That previous post was mine.
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 10:19:40 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

Felicia wrote I know tthat the TGS staff did not mean to but when you use pharses like "lacks the intelligence of an aubergnie" it is racist and wrong. I can't tell you how offensive it is andphases like that should be dropped from our vocabulary."
Sorry, typo. The word should have been spelled 'aubergine'. It's another word for "eggplant". If any eggplant have been offended then I am truly afraid.

Beth > fay touched or just gifted - hmm, interesting question. Isn't it?
Anonymous
Saturday, December 5, 1998 10:18:25 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

**RP!!**The screen lights up, revealing Coyote and crew still being pursued by the Borgified monsters. Coyote is still deep in thought; everyone else looks at him for guidance.**

<"Well?">

Don't rush me! **looks ahead** Okay, change of plans! Load up a twelve-incher, Jason.

<"Gotcha."> **Jason ducks under.**

Cover your ears, folks, this is gonna be loud!

**A giant BOOM! accompanies the firing of the tank's massive turret, blasting a shot across the bow of the other tank gaining on the Onslaught. The other tank revolves its treads, turning to face Coyote's M1.**

Okay, knowing the guys driving that thing, it's going to take a while for them to get here. So let's make some replies in the meantime. **END 1ST HALF RP!!**

Brooklyn at the Crucifixion: Actually, I seem to recall that when I learned about the Crucifixion in Sunday School, the evening became dark at an unnatural time on Good Friday (to signify God's wrath), which I had always heard estimated at around 3 PM. But still, I would think it would be dark enough for Brooklyn's garg-biorhythms to become totally wonky if he arrived to witness the event.

Religion in fics: I try to use it only when appropriate. Example from my own fics **SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT!!**: "Life and Death at Castle Wyvern," I had Goliath praying for his daughter's life in a room I figured the Castle would have (a chapel). In fact, he prefaces his plea by saying "I know you don't hear very many gargoyle prayers ..." so I tried to keep with the idea that I'd heard before in some other fics (Spike's comes to mind) that the gargoyles practice solstice worship; however, Goliath has kept the human religions as part of his self-learning, because, as I put it, "he always felt a need for something to believe." **END SHAMELESS PLUG! IT IS NOW SAFE TO RE-ENTER THE WATER!!**

Ravyn: Please, don't stay behind just on our account. A torunament title is a great thing to try for (this from someone who won two state championships in high school marching band), I for one wouldn't want you to have to miss it just for this silly thing. I can hold the fort until you return.

Christine: Well, *I* liked it! And if you think about it, it probably makes a lot of sense!

Deuce: YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORD! (the magic word being "tenor sax.") That's my instrument. It's also my heirloom ... maybe when I get around to posting pics of my car I'll post pics of the horn, too.

Mary Flanders: Happy early-B-Day! Say the word and I'll personally order another Chocolate Execution cake for you.

Green Baron: HEY, THAT'S MY LINE!! ;) j/k, don't sweat it, really. I don't particularly care for the McLaughlin Group, anyway.

Todd: I always thought he had some weird fascination with their bloodline. At least, that's how I wrote him into my fics.

Robby: Yes, I'm a poet. Ask me sometime about the 22-line poem I wrote in college about toilets. Big fun. And I wrote it for class, too!

Starsinger: It's not just restricted to Australia, either; I listen to Canadian radio and have heard the Inuit people referred to as "aboriginals."

Mandi: Yes, quite. I love having a fast connection!

**RESUME RP!!**

Range, anyone?!

<"200 yards and closing, boss!">

All right, Buick, time to play chicken.

<"You're kidding!">

What's wrong, Ravyn, haven't ya played chicken before?

<"A couple times, but never with TANKS!!!">

And why would you ever thank anyone for playing chicken?

**Ravyn groans about the bad joke as the two tanks speed toward each other.**

Steady ... steady ... NOW, BUICK!

**Coyote's M-1 swerves wildly to the left, as the two Borgified idiots' tank (along with their Borgified teachers) zooms past ... right into the path of the Borgified monsters.**

<"This sucks.">

<"Yeah.">

**The monsters, not realizing what they're doing, completely flatten the tank and its occupants as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, December 5, 1998 09:07:51 PM
IP: modem111.i-is.com

Aaah... I slept 'til 11:00 this morning, did lots of French homework, and now I get the computer. Wow... we're at 420K. That's BIG.

GREEN BARON re: COMMERCIALIZING CHRISTMAS> Recently, Alberta's very own local phone/long-distance/internet provider/cellular service/Big Brother company had to pull an ad that featured the Three Wise Men presenting the Christ Child with frankincense, myrrh, and a Telus Mobility cell phone package. TRIVIA! Nowhere in the Bible does it mention how many Wise Men there actually were at Jesus' birth. As for not commericializing Lent, just wait. It'll happen. (re: RELIGIOUS CHARACTERS) Like Mulder being "Jewish"?

JACKAL re: SUICIDE> I've thought about it, and was about five seconds from actually doing it. Don't ask me why I didn't; my general response is that I "chickened out". Lame excuse, je sais, but I've no better reason. Similar feelings resurfaced this fall as a result of The Rumour and its results, but I was able to keep a better handle on them.

SJ> You? The voice of reason? *falls over laughing* (Just kidding, man.)

MARY FLANDERS> Happy early birthday! I know I'll forget before Friday, so birthday bump time!!! *several people from the room come up, seize her by ankles and wrists, and bonk her on the floor 17 times* One for good luck, ya know.

For any people who wish revenge, my 15th birthday cometh on June 25, exactly six months from Christmas. (I know I'll regret this later).

RELIGION> I'm Roman Catholic. That's it. I'm not TOUCHING this one. *nod to Doug, who'll know why*

T.J.> RoUSs? Uh, look behind you. >:)

That should be all for now. I think I'll go watch Lion King 2 now. Au revoir!

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions *curses Tampa Bay*, Alberta, Canada
Saturday, December 5, 1998 08:38:02 PM
IP: ppp0208.connect.ab.ca

Uh, may I ask for Proofreaders? With Krytina gone, and now Fluer on vacation.... Can I ask for a proofreader who will not disappear before they proofread my story, now stories? :) Got attacked by a creatavity demon and it wouldn't let go until I made this short story. (AAARRRRRGHHH!!! Leggo! Letg-ACK! GURGULE GURGLE)

Oh, and something TGS related. Some of the other plot-lines that have yet to be done. At the beginning of this season, Garlon says he is going to Austrlia. Heheh, not very many fanfics have Dingo and Matrix in their stories, hope the TGS puts those guys in. Also near the beginning of the first season of the TGS, Jerry Pearson picked up a piece of the Coyote robot that the clan destroyed. Nothing was written of what he found out from that piece.
Doug: Know better than to mess with a good thing? I don't think so. Look at what happened in the Gargoule third season, instead of improveing the marketing technuque, which could have been easily improved, they messed with the show, which was a good thing.

Jaden: Disney having people everywhere? Hmmm, wonder if they are actually a front of the Illumaniti (I know that isn't spelled right). Has anyone here heard of my consparicy theory about the ruining of Gargoyles?

Christine: As the angels? I don't think so, both Brooklyn's and Sata's horns would shoot that belief right out of the sky. Don't even metion Brooklyn's foot-ling honker. And I hope to read your next fanfic! I can't wait to hear about what Castway has planned for Elisa, Goliath, and Amber. Hmmm, now that Margot knows about Amber from Castway, what do you think she will do leagally. And will Chavez be able to defend Elisa in that matter?

Accidents: We don't exactly have to slow down you know. We see 2 cop cars, and an ambluiance we have to watch for slippery blood smears on the road. Don't want to get into another accident because of THAT. (sorry if that was in poor humor, I am in a morbid mood right now.)

Jackel: Humf. Well, there was a time in my life when I did serioulsy think about it, and it is a time that I would rather forget now. Though I never actually went and tried to do it. You just have to live thrgouh those times of your life, and hopefully come out of the end of them stronger than you were.

Aris: Beth a witch? With her Hopi hearitage she would more likely be called a Shamen. And I think that Crow was Morrigon.

Mary Flanders: That movie? And here I thought you got your name from the Simpsons neighbors.

Stephen: Aye, I rember reading that one. Hey, if you get a playstation, ask for Parasite Eve. Great modren-day roleplaying game.

Todd Jenson: I thin she is 100% human. The talent for magic in her bloodline I believe is mainly from this 'Could father' dance that her father, and who know how many fathers before him do. Having a 'piece of a fae' in alot of your ancestors has to do something.

T.J. Veil: Yeah, I would like to see that Madoc scene as well "You mean that Voguel clone is who!!?!?" And Mauve breaking down into laughter. Oh, and thanks for reminding me about my usual chatroom entrances and exits! though I haven't done them here.

Rayven Maza: Nope, not yet. I have DL it, now I just have to read it. Still working on Footman's fics. *sigh* This 7day a week new job isn't helping....

***The shadows suddenly move from their corners and Durid dissapears without a trace***
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Saturday, December 5, 1998 08:29:40 PM
IP: dialupf241.mpls.uswest.net

Doug & Mandi> Thanks! If I go, I'll miss you guys too! :)

BTW, since there's all this talk about religion and how some people can twist it, I thought I'd post a link to (in my humble opinion) one of the best fanfics ever written. Clicky on my name to read Dylan Blacquiere's "A Gargoyle Went A' Courting." Y'all have probably already read it, but it's a great story if there's anyone out there that hasn't! It's kinda long, tho, so give yerself lots of time to enjoy it. :)

See y'all around! *waves*
Ravyn Maza
Saturday, December 5, 1998 08:16:26 PM
IP: svm-ts1-11.c2i2.com

Saw "The Princess Bride" mentioned and had to jump in. I too love that movie, although "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." probably ranks up there with Star Wars quotes on the top ten most frequently used movie quotes of all time. :)

Heather> Sailor Midael looks really good! Cute! :)

Aris> I think that was just a typo that threw you off. (Felicia, did you mean to type "aborigine" instead of "aubergnie"?) As for Anubis, well, I kind of found an excuse for his adopting the persona of a god in a future fic (which won't be out for a long while, sadly).

Coyote> Congrats on the new machine! Isn't it nice?

Robby> Speaking of Vinnie, ever read Stormy's fic "Wagner's Vendetta"? (I will not spoil it further; click on my name to read it.)

Ravyn> Aww! If you do have to sit out, we'll miss you, and good luck with the tournament. (And if not...well, yay! You'll be here!)

Stephen> Seeing "A Bug's Life"? Well, you'll have seen it by the time you read this, but it's great!!

Doug> I wonder about Dingo and Matrix too; Titania of all people should remember them, since she apparently helped develop the Matrix as Anastasia. Hmm, there's a thought...what if that went along with her plans to leave a line of defense against the Unseelie? And I read "Through the Ages" last night, BTW, and thoroughly enjoyed it. **applauds** Now I just have to catch up on about a dozen more fics...

Religion> Always a touchy subject. I personally stay out of those type of discussions. But having a mother who survived Catholic school (she has many tales to tell about the nuns), a father who's an atheist (NEVER start a religious discussion with him), and a bunch of friends at school who are Wiccan, Buddhist, Hindi, I'm pretty open-minded about religion, although I don't like to discuss it much.

T.J> I believe the Sicilian was named Vizzini. "Inconceivable!" "You keep saying that word. I don't think you even know what it means." I have really got to get out more...

DumlaoX> FYI, I *am* looking over the script you sent me. There's a few nitpicks about the differences between C and C++ I'm muddling with right now. Just so you know.

that's all...
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 07:54:52 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Aris The correct spelling is Aborigine. It means a native of Australia. Felicia was using phonetic spelling in her post. We met an aborigine in the gargoyle episode which introduced the Matrix. They even showed an important part of their religion. The dreamtime. My little dictionary says original inhabitants of a country. Any of our Aussie friends out their know what they call themselves?

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 07:49:29 PM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net

***T. J. Veil steps out of the shadows***

The Princess Bride > I have to agree that this is one of the best movies ever. It ranks right up there with Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I love the scene with Miracle Max and the scene where Wesley outsmarts the sicilian (can't recall his name.) Oh, and RoUS's? I don't believe they exist. ;-)

I must say that there have been some excellent episodes of TGS lately, and I too recognized the several B5 references. One thing that I think I would have liked to see though, is Madoc's reaction to the discovery that Owen is Puck.

Thought for the day:
"Inauguration is simply a signal to assassins that a new target has been set up on the firing range."

***T. J. Veil disappears into the shadows.***
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 07:36:16 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

KING ARTHUR AND THE CHURCH - In answer to Aris's request. Arthur was a devout Christian, but he does seem to have had some difficulties with the Church - partly because (in the TGS Universe) he had a half-human wizard for his chief advisor and an alliance with gargoyles, which so many people (including a lot of priests) in Arthurian Britain believed to be demons. There was also the fact that Arthur sometimes had to ask the wealthy monasteries to contribute to the war effort against the Saxons, and they didn't take it too well.

A legacy of this uncomfortable attitude that the Church had towards Arthur (on the one hand, a champion of Christianity against the pagan Saxon invaders, on the other hand, a consorter with "demons" and a "half-demon wizard") can be found in the Saints' Lives (an actual set of documents from Dark Age Britain) in which he appears, in particular the Lives of Saint Cadoc, Saint Carannog, Saint Padern, and Saint Gildas. I'd go into more detail about them here, but I think that I'd better wait until next week to go into details, when the comment room gets cleared. They're not reliable documentaries for the TGS Universe, but they may be based on actual events (if distorted) that took place during Arthur's reign in it.

The Church had some serious problems when Mordred rebelled against Arthur, however; despite some uncertainty about Arthur, the fact was that Mordred was an usurper, had allied himself with the still-pagan Saxons, and was anything but devout himself. When Archbishop Dubricius of Caerleon protested his behavior, Mordred tried to kill him; the Archbishop formally excommunicated him in retaliation and then went into hiding in the Glass Isles (now Glastonbury).

COYOTE - I hope that he's not an ancestor of the Mazas; I've always wanted to believe that Elisa's 100 % human with no fay in her bloodline. It's better, in my opinion, if she is fully human. For one thing, if she is, then that means that it's possible for any and all of us to do what she did: reach out to the strange and seemingly threatening as she did, and befriend it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 5, 1998 06:45:50 PM
IP: pn5-ppp-228.primary.net

Hi.
You remember I told about I'm in a Sailor Moon RPG but it's with angels ? Here's my angel Sailor Midael - Angel of Warriors. I drew the pic !

** smiles and sees Q with his arms folded ** I'm coming , I'm coming ! Geez.
** snaps her fingers and she and Q disappear **
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 06:13:58 PM
IP: 168-127-193.ipt.aol.com

Jackal, Frodo, Doug> I believe that noone ever said anything about Aborigines. It was 'Aubergines' I was asking about. My dictionary says that this translates to the greek word 'melitzana' which is a kind of vegetable. So, unless people meant that fruits would get upset I don't see what you are talking about.

Is there something I'm missing here?
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 05:39:33 PM
IP: athe-l13.otenet.gr

**RP!** The Ravens and bikers are still running down the San Antonio streets. Methos is still with them, though the McLeods have by now both fled in terror. They eventually reach the Alamo and duck inside as Godzilla, MechaGodzilla, Ghidra, and Rodan close in. Doug draws a line in the sand with his foot and everyone steps over it, completing the Alamo's last stand ritual. Doug then turns to face the CR. **RP PAUSE**

Molly: Robin Wright played Buttercup.

Green Baron: No problem, it's okay. I just got a little ticked off when the scene I spent two hours writing and I was sure could work got taken down in such a Pastor Paul -esque manner. But I hold no grudge against you, don't worry. Now I'll just drop this topic.

Coldstone: I completely agree with you about religion. My grandparents are Baptist, mom Episcopalian, stepfather Catholic, sister practically an Aggie-worshipper, Lisa and I follow our own amalgamated religion; and we have Wiccan (is that the proper spelling?), pagan, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, and born-again Christian (but tolerant) friends. So we're pretty pro-religious freedom people. It's only the religion of those like Pastors John and Paul who try to ram religion down your throat and threaten you based on it that we have problems with. I don't think we do that ourselves, no matter what SJ thinks. :P

Wilek: Since I may not be able to e-mail this to you, I'll say it here and now. Your Doom Commandos sound TOUGH! I'll make cards for them later, and for the rest of you. Glad Forfexx liked the line I gave him. Thanks for the message, too. That's all I have to say in reply.

This talk of Aborigines reminds me. When, if ever, are we going to see Dingo, Matrix, and Coba (the shaman) again, and when we do are they going to fight the Unseelie monster Whowies?

Ravyn: Will miss you if you go, but good luck in your basketball game.

Coyote: Be alert, that tank I have driving toward the Onslaught is there for yours to destroy. You can get the two inside also, feel free to do a little comedy bit if you're familiar with Buzzcut (ex-Army jerk coach) and Van Dreissen's (hippie English teacher) characters. Good luck.

Today's RP Bad Guy OverPower Card: I haven't made up any more yet, sorry. Will post one if I have it for the next post.

That's all for now, later ppl!
**RP AGAIN** The monsters, under command from Guod through their Borg implants, surround the Alamo. "This is it," Doug sighs, getting into a sniping position. "Wait," says Lathrop, who is flipping through his spellbook. "I may have found something." He reads off a page and summons King Kong, Anguilas, Gigan, and Megalon. These four monsters appear beside the enemy monsters and begin fighting them. Gigan grabs Rodan and cuts the pterodactyl to ribbons with his chest buzzsaw. A huge all-out battle then ensues between the remaining monsters, the good guys sit back to watch. The screen then goes blank, to be continued! **END POST AND RP**
Doug
Saturday, December 5, 1998 04:32:31 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zoj-vty62.as.wcom.net

**Green Baron walks in slowly**

Doug> I am truly sorry for my earlier post. It was wrong of me to bring in McLoughlin in a such a jerky manner, and I am a putz for doing it. I am also sorry that I upset you and if you don't want to speak to me again, I understand. If you're really angry at me, I give you permission to have your Ravens kill me in an RP. I was out of line in that statement and if i could retract it I would. I also checked my Bible and it stated that Jesus was crucified on the sixth hour and he died on the ninth hour, and that the land was covered in darkness. In that case, Brooklyn could be awake, so I concede that I was wrong. Mea culpa! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa!

**Green Baron then readies to play drywall roulette and he runs into a CR wall head first**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Saturday, December 5, 1998 03:49:27 PM
IP: 201-228-186.ipt.aol.com

PRINCESS BRIDE> Yes! Very good movie! I love all the characters, especially Fezzik (aka The Late, Great Andre The Giant) and Indigo ("...You kill my father. Prepare to die!"), but my favorite has to be Billy Crystal as Miracle Max! He was just soooo fun to watch! ("Love is the most wonderful thing in the _World_... except for a nice MLT. Mutton, Lettuce, and Tomato sandwich... where the mutton is nice and lean, and the tomatoes are ripe <smacks lips>! They're so perky! I luv that!"). :)

SHAMELESS PLUG TIME!> Just in case anyone misses it, I posted my first 5 stories of my own Garg-fics to GFW, all revised and re-edited! <END SHAMELESS PLUG!>

RELIGEON> Being my family was Methodist, and one of my cousins recently married a Baptist minister, and one other and my sister became Catholic when they married, and that I know friends that are practicing Wiccans and Athiests, my view on religion in Gargs is somewhat mixed. But I will state this: so long as you don't try to cram your belief down my throat, you can believe what you want to.

Incidentally, in one of my own fics, I had Goliath and Elisa get married by a Christian priest, but that's as far as I go with religion.

Going out to see "A Bug's Life" with my daughter, while the wife goes Xmas shopping. I hope she gets me a Gameboy w/ Pokemon or a Playstation wiht FF7 or 8! :) Gotta go butter up to Santa! <grin!>

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, December 5, 1998 03:25:17 PM
IP: m107.ieway.com

Hold on, hold on..., I hate to be a butthole about this but, This is world isn't gonna come crashing down into cosmic dust because someone gets offended. It happens, it's one of the "cons" of humanity. I'm not sayin it's wrong to get offended, I sayin it's wrong to get all pissy and pouty about it, and not to lower yourself to the offending party's level. So what if someone calls you a jewish prick, ignorant X-ian, or whatever! Bust 'em in the eye and get over it, do not whine about it! I've been in several fights about stuff like that, and everytime it was settled right then and there. I didn't go home and get mad at society for it, I got mad at the individual and handled it. But then, as I say, "That's just me", I'm just a crazy little jackal.
Jackal
Saturday, December 5, 1998 02:36:53 PM
IP: spider-wg041.proxy.aol.com

Aboriginy> They are the native Australian people, with quite intersting religions and culture....and I agree that questioning theyr intelligence is not somthing anyone should do....exept if the individual whants to sound like an English aristocrat from the mid 1700's.......
Frodo
Saturday, December 5, 1998 01:59:41 PM
IP: ras119.vortex.is

Green Baron< My Clan is set in modern times.

Here are the names of my Roman Clan.
Minerva< Clan leader, named after the Roman Goddess of wisdom.
Mars< Secound in command, named after the Roman God of war.
Dark Speed< Gargoyle beast, made up his name.

Now I am starting to work on all three of their historys.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Saturday, December 5, 1998 01:59:01 PM
IP: chil-ras4-1-cs-12.dial.bright.net

*creeps in*

Princess Bride>The coolest love story on video!!! I don't remember the actress's name who played Buttercup, but she was also in the movie "Moll Flanders" (you can see where I got my name). She was VERY good in that film. Strong and independent women are my favorite characters. And she's so pretty!!! Now what girl wouldn't want to look like her?

NOTE>Dec. 11 is my birthday!!!!!!!!! I'll be 16!!!!!!! *gives everyone a piece of cyber cake*

Later ppl!

*creeps out*
Mary Flanders
Saturday, December 5, 1998 01:51:24 PM
IP: ramp-1-33.ucdavis.edu

**RP!**
**Ravyn is firing explosive arrows at the Borgified monsters that are chasing Coyote's tank. Buick is still at the wheel, swerving like mad. Ravyn takes a time-out to make some comments.** **END RP FOR NOW**

Rahsaan> I LOVE "The Princess Bride!" It's a _way_ too cool movie!!!! (and also quite romantic.) ;) BTW, Happy Birthday!!!

Coyote> Congrats on getting upgraded! :) BTW, I might have to leave the RP for most of next week. It depends on whether or not my basketball team is going to a tournament in Alamogordo, NM. I'll let you know, though, and then I'll try to figure out a way to write myself out for a while if I have to. :(

**TGS SPOILERS!!!**
I finally got to read "A Call to Arms." Great work! I really liked how you tied up the loose ends on some of the characters, especially Rory and the Banshee. I really loved the scenes between those two. And Beth as backup? That's a scary thought...;) Really, though, it's neat to see Coyote taking an interest in her. But what was that mysterious comment about Beth's grandmother? Hmm...and I feel really bad for Goliath and Elisa. Here they were, trying to have a romantic evening, and the stupid Unseelie war has to ruin the mood. ;) I really liked this one, TGS staff! Good job!!! **END TGS SPOILERS**

**MORE RP!**
**Mitsuki (Son of Godzilla) roars as Ravyn's arrows are hitting him. "Coyote, the arrows are only making him angrier! We've gotta do something!"
Mothra is gaining on the tank as the Gearhead replies, "Don't worry, Ravyn, we've got a plan...right?"
Coyote seems to be deep in thought, and the wild chase continues as this post ends...**
Ravyn Maza
Saturday, December 5, 1998 01:14:59 PM
IP: svm-ts3-27.c2i2.com

Time for me to be the voice of reason here.

RELIGION: It's a great thing. But every single time it's been brought up in here, someone's gotten pissed off. I don't think it's one of the RP rules, but I think we should all just take a step back and proceed reeeeeeeal carefully when the topic is brought up. This comment room is meant for diverse people, from different walks of life, including religions, to get together and enjoy Gargoyles and each other. We shouldn't have to spend our time getting in each other's faces and getting angry. So chill, hermanos!

By the way, I have no idea what a abergiwhooey is.


Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 11:30:35 AM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

My native language isn't English, so forgive me for asking, but: what's aubergini? I checked the English-Greek dictionary and it says it's some kind of vegetable.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 09:15:56 AM
IP: athe530-b067.otenet.gr

I know tthat the TGS staff did not mean to but when you use pharses like "lacks the intelligence of an aubergnie" it is racist and wrong. I can't tell you how offensive it is and phases like that should be dropped from our vocabulary. I hate it when people use phases like "indian giver", "jew people down" "they're are irish twin" they are always said in mean spirit and never acceptable. I sure you did mean to but sure aubergenies wouldn't appericate having their intelligence questioned.
Felicia - [2funk@sprynet.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 09:07:35 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ppk-vty17.as.wcom.net

Religion & Fays> I doubt that any fay would have any religion that humans would believe in. I think that an almost unobtrusive, pantheistic one (where God=universe) and a general belief in fate or karma, could be shared by some though.

Beings like Anubis brings even more dilemmas and problems to the debate.

Todd> I would be interested in learning more about Arthur's problem with the Church.

Review> It took a little longer than I had hoped, but here it is at last.

**** REVIEW FOR 'A Call to Arms' BEGINS *****

In a nutshell: Yet another very good story that brings up and ties to the storyline threads that I had thought abandoned. After the mediocre 'Yorkshire Adventure', the very good 'Disobedience' and now 'A Call to Arms' bring rhythm and strength back to the Saga's storyline.

Let me begin by saying this: Yeah! Yipee! RORY IS BACK, RORY IS BACK! I thank the TGS staff for his return, and I apologise for my impatience in previous reviews. (It seems that Arthur didn't eat Rory after all. Ah, well.)

Ahem... Is it just me or is there a big B5 fan in the TGS staff? A few weeks back we had 'Signs and Portents', the title of one of the most famous episodes of B5's first season. Now we have 'A Call to Arms', the TV movie which will connect B5 to Crusade. Not to mention that Titania seemed a B5 fan. "Our last, best hope for peace?" LOL! (Okay, perhaps it was Lincoln and not B5 that she was quoting. Nevertheless...) Anyway as a B5 fan I thank the TGS staff for the B5 references.

Last week I had asked for Titania's reappearance, saying I missed her. The gods and goddesses of TGS were quick to answer my requests. Thank you! :) It was generally very good that we saw some of the Fair (and some of the not-so-fair like Banshee and Anansi) Folk back to the storyline. After so many evil fays, we really needed that.

Is Oberon aware of all that is happening? His absense is strange. I think he doesn't care enough about the events in the world outside, or that he doesn't consider the Madoc problem serious enough. Is Titania holding back info to prevent the all-out she's afraid of?

The joke of Emrys's school troubles is still a very good one. "Yes! No history class tomorrow!": LOL! (Though Rory's coming on his own, means that he WILL have history class) I mean, fighting Madoc is nothing compared to the torments of going through school... I still object though to the idea that Emrys would feel helpless fury against his teachers and the classes he has to go through: Let me expand on this.

If there's someone who has known the tragedies of life, that must be Emrys. He's older than Macbeth, his loved one betrayed him, his own father is trying to kill him, almost everything he had fought for died at Camlann. But more importantly: How many dark periods of history has he lived through? The Spanish Inquisition, the witch-hunts, Galileo's persecution, the Holocaust? In great part I can understand that his new form almost makes this the first time for everything... but still, he should have known of historical revisionism far before this time. I want him after a period of adjustment to get cooler about it, and *do* something about it, rather than whine and get frustrated and pod a blood vessel. I want him to show us the burden of his knowledge and the weight of his experiences.

Let's move forwards. The story of Natsilane and Grandmother brings and ties to the storyline yet another thread previously seemed forgotten. Kudos. (Though still other bigger threads - Matt in the Illuminati, ColdTrio, Mutates - still seem forgotten and I would like them to be brought to the story (not necessarily the Unseelie story- the TGS story in general) as well). I loved Natsilane's progress though I hope he hasn't left all his science behind him.

Similarly with Beth and Coyote. Another thread from the first season that is brought forward with interesting result. Beth, the witch? Interesting. Coyote is my favourite fay and I was glad to see him again. I wonder if Coyote's ties to the Maza family will be explored further. It could be an interesting background. Could he possible even be an ancestor of them, and the attention he gives to them similar to that of a man looking over his grandchildren? I also liked Elisa's frustration, concerning it, her realisation (once again) that her family will be involved despite her wishes.

Back to Rory and Molly. Their relationship and feelings for each other are confused and self-contradictory - which is precisely how it must be, since 'The Hound of Ulster' was itself confusing and contradictory in this aspect. I never liked in the original ep how Rory simply kills (or thinks he does) Banshee when she's revealed to him, or that Banshee would so successfully pretend to be in love with him. These feelings (of duality) in Rory were well expressed in 'The Tain' and are still well-expressed here. Kudos again.

I also like that Banshee would not care whether Madoc or Oberon rules, as well as the fact that she leaves at the episode's end. Though I think she will end up in the good guys' side, something far more personal than fear of Madoc should drive her to it. Fear for Rory perhaps.

Originally I thought the crow in the vision was a 'The Stand' homage. Rereading 'The Tain' I wondered if it was Corbie, who was a mysterious character, and I was mystified about.

Nitpicking time: Rory knew of Maeve only as Medb. Here he called her Maeve, though.

In conclusion: A very good story that serves to tidy up the incoherent mess that 1st season threads often ended up looking, and more importantly bring well-liked and well-needed character evolution in Rory, Natsilane, Banshee, Beth. Kudos, once again to everyone. When in TGS new recurring characters appear every single story (most of which are not interesting enough to have entered the story), going back to the old, interesting, well established ones was a very good move.

**** END REVIEW ****

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 08:10:58 AM
IP: athe530-e078.otenet.gr

ROAR - I rather liked that one, though with reservations. One of the biggest problems that I had with it was the whole concept of the Romans invading Ireland in A.D. 400, given that by this point in history, the Roman Empire was having so many difficulties in western Europe that any sort of military adventure in an out-of-the-way place (as Ireland would have seemed to the Romans) would have been unthinkable. (In fact, they had to let go of Britain just a few years later, when the Emperor Honorius declared the island independent in A.D. 410 and told the Britons to take up arms in their own defense).

Incidentally, Fergus was played by the guy who voiced King Arthur in "Gargoyles", which led in turn to a "Roar" in-joke in one of my stories for "Pendragon", "The Goddess of Winter Part Three"; in the Accolon flashback of that story, Arthur used the alias of "Sir Fergus of Cornwall" while interacting with Sir Damas. (There was an actual "Sir Fergus of Cornwall" in Malory, which helped things out a bit there).

GARGOYLES AND RELIGION - I've sometimes wondered if Angela and the other Avalon gargoyles might have been raised as Christians. Greg was asked about that once at "Ask Greg", and said that while it might have been an influence on their upbringing, he didn't think that Princess Katharine, the Magus, or Tom were all that devout, and also that the Magus would have taken the time to research gargoyle religion before the eggs hatched so that he could teach the hatchlings about it. Still, I wouldn't consider it too surprising if Angela did have some leanings in that direction.

As to the other characters, of course, it's hard to say. The Mazas undoubtedly have some strong religious faith in them, or at least Diane does, in view of the "We can pray" line from "Deadly Force". King Arthur intended to stand vigil in Westminster Abbey just after arriving in London in "Pendragon", and he was traditionally a Christian anyway (although he had some problems with the Church in his time; more about that another post, if anybody's interested). As far as the new characters in TGS are concerned, I don't know about most of them, but I imagine that Merlin/Emrys would also have been raised a Christian (nearly everybody was one in 5th century Britain then, except for the Saxons and some of the Picts), if a bit on the unorthodox side, given that he's a practicing wizard. (His being a Christian doesn't make his feelings about his father any better. Merlin knows consciously that Madoc isn't Satan, but he may equate the two subconsciously, and that doesn't make him very comfortable. I wouldn't be too surprised if he worries from time to time about whether he might be condemned to everlasting Hell-fire merely for being the son of the ruler of the Unseelie Court).

As for the fay, the question of whether they have a religion is particularly interesting, given that so many of them are the gods of ancient myths and legends. I doubt that Oberon's religious, however, if for no other reason than that I can't imagine him acknowledging any being having authority over him, at least, not willingly.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 5, 1998 07:24:27 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-65.primary.net

<<Too many people have learned the hard way that suicide attempts bring you, as well as your friends and family, nothing but pain.>>
I've attempted suicide my share of times in the past, I'm not gonna lie about that. It's not that I'm going thur hard times, it's..., whatever. And yes I do outlet my mental problems in my "fics" why do you think they're soo sick? Oh, haven't posted that story yet, nevermind..., Anyway I'm just weird I guess...
Jackal
Saturday, December 5, 1998 04:24:27 AM
IP: spider-wg073.proxy.aol.com

<<how the hell did Chris shoot himself at the end and then come back to life? You better explain this, mano>>
You know, one of those weird endings you gotta think about..., I'll email you and explain...
Jackal
Saturday, December 5, 1998 04:01:02 AM
IP: spider-wg084.proxy.aol.com

Jackal: I'm still up, I'll answer you. Everyone has had suicidal thoughts at one time or another, they're normal. But they're also bad. Trust me, don't go through with it. Too many people have learned the hard way that suicide attempts bring you, as well as your friends and family, nothing but pain. So please, if you're having these thoughts, feel free to vent your emotions in here or by e-mail to me, and I and everyone else will try to help you feel better. We care about you, Jackal. We really missed you when you were gone last time. Please don't leave us for good.

Green Baron: Just checked my copy of the Bible for collaborating evidence. According to it, Jesus was crucified on a Friday evening and rose on a Sunday morning. Evening means night. So, according to the Bible, Brooklyn could have seen the Crucifixion. McLaughlin needs to get his facts right. And not to sound judgemental, but so do you.

Later,
Doug
Saturday, December 5, 1998 03:49:21 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty50.as.wcom.net

<<I'm sorry you feel that way.>>
No, don't be, I'm not. I wanted to ask yall a question and I wanted to be sure my suga-lump here was asleep, so she couldn't read what I was typing... But I was just wonderin if any of you thought about and tried to commit suicide. I mean, I know it sounds dumb coming from someone my age, but I was just wonderin...
End of today's rambling....
Jackal
Saturday, December 5, 1998 03:42:06 AM
IP: spider-wg014.proxy.aol.com

**This post is almost entirely fanfic related material. I apologize for posting it here and possibly cluttering the room. **

Christine: That is one nutty creativity demon. I don't think it would really happen, but thanks for the idea. :)

Robby: I'll let someone else do a Vinnie card, I'm only doing RP and fanfic characters myself.

Green Baron: I really do not appreciate being corrected like that, I am not amused by it in the least. No offense taken, but let me explain why I didn't like that comment. Listen, man, I am not the religious scholar you are. And every pic I've seen of the Crucifixion shows it happening at night, by the light of torches. Every story I've read of it also shows the event happening at that time. I'm sorry if I didn't get it right from your viewpoint, but I was doing the scene based on my knowledge of the event. Said knowledge may or may not be correct, after all I wasn't there to see the event happen. Please remember, Green Baron, that not everyone may know as much as you do about Christian history. Also, my stories are fiction and as such, take place in an alternate universe. Maybe the Crucifixion took place at night in that AU, even if it didn't in the real world. Therefore, Brooklyn could have seen it, and did in my fanfic. Too late for me to go back and change the plot now, and frankly I don't want to because I really enjoyed writing that scene. Now why don't you please go read the story before you make any more snap judgements? Thank you.

Jackal: *SPOILERS* I really prefer getting comments by e-mail, but I'll respond to yours in here since you posted them in the CR. Glad you liked the Crucifixion scene, I did too. The Jerry Garcia scene I intended to be partially funny, what with the Kevorkian line, music-related comment, and Meet Joe Black reference. I thought Garcia deserved to go out in comic style because his band's name and his songs have always made me smile. Yes, I am a Grateful Dead fan. Glad you had fun reading the story, Jackal, I had lots of fun writing it. Thanks for your comments.

I read your latest, by the way. Nice chemistry between Chris and Angela. But how the hell did Chris shoot himself at the end and then come back to life? You better explain this, mano. *END SPOILERS*

That's all I had to say. Later.
Doug Elder - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 03:39:09 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty50.as.wcom.net

**Green Baron enters teh CR with John McLoughlin who has a few opinions on the Jesus debate**
<Mc Loughlin Group>
Fact!! There are four non-Christian writers, including Tacitus, who mentioned a man named Yeshua of Nazareth and that he was executed by Pontius Pilate. The question is: Would it be controversial to have Brooklyn witness the Crucifixion?
Pat Buchanan.....Wrong!!
Eleanor Clift.....Wrong!!
Doug Elder......Wrong!!
William F. Buckley...Wrong!!

It would be controversial, because Jesus was crucified at noon and he died at approximately 3pm, and Brooklyn would be in stone hibernation. Bye! Bye!
</McLoughlin>

That was part amusement and part to explain my opinion. ASide from the fact taht Brooklyn would be asleep during that time, it would probably not be controversial for him to witness the Crucifixion. If Brooklyn witnessed events after that, it would be controversial since these are Christian doctrines, and are a matter of faith. As mentioned earlier there is some secular proof that a man named Yeshua (Jesus) lived in Nazareth, was a good guy, and was executed for blasphemy during the reign of Pontius Pilate and Emperor Tiberius. In fact, tacitus made some rather unkind comments about Christianity. I guess he is an honorary member of the ACLU and People for the American Way :)

Gun Control Facism> Personally, I view these laws as an example of the Religious Left's attempts to rob our freedoms. if the laws actually reduced crime, I might support them on a persoanl level, but in most cases, they do little to stem crime. On the contrary crime has dropped where concealed weapons are legal, like in Texas. As for Assault Rifles, I odn't see teh big need for them, but I see no purpose in banning them, since criminals don't follow gun laws anyway. Beisdes, the recent shootings involved individuals hwo did not get the guns legally. I prefer higher penalties for crimes committed with guns, which is a better alternative, since guns are rights, so like any right they also require responsibility.

Doug and Kitainia> These clowns sound awful and as Phil Gramm said, they make it uncool it to be conservative. As for Santa Claus, he was a martyr during the first few centuries of the Church named St. Nicholas. I really doubt Jesus would fight with a saint, since they are the cream of the crop of Christianity. As for teh way Christams has been secularized and commercialized I do not really care for it, and if I become a father, Christmas day will be spent with my family volunteering at the Salvation Army and Midnight Mass beforehand. At least they won't commercialize Lent :)

Jackal> I'm sorry you feel that way. As for the red light, the city makes money on traffic tickets, so of course they try to get them. In teh New Oxford Revue, a man witnessed a teenager slitting his wrists, so he calls 911 and a meter maid arrives, and she calls an ambulance. In New orleans, teh cops pull you over and a simple bribe is all taht you need to get rid of them.

Rashaan and Nicodemus> Happy Birthday

Lawrence Stone> Interesting idea. Is the fic set in modern times or ancient times?

Thanks to everyone on correcting my error. I was curious about who that was. Personally, I have no idea if that legend is true, nor do I really care. If teh pope mentions it, which I doubt, I'll have an opinion on the subject. I was thinking of that centurion in King of Kings played by John Wayne. "Well I reckon he was the son of God, pilgrim" :)

Prince of Egypt> I'm glad to know it is PG, because soem of teh stuff is not G rated. Personally, I would love it if Charleton Heston palyed the voice of God. That would just kick ass!!!

Religion in fics> I think it is a great idea if done right. In Dylan's fics, the Newfie Gargoyles are Catholic, though not overly devout. I think it varies among Gargs. As for characters in the show, I have an essay about Halcyon Renard and I used his religious views to explain his actions. It's in the Grimorum Arcanorum. Greg and I talked about the subject, and he believs in using religion to enhance a charatcer, but not for the simple sake of assigning a faith to a charcter. Soemtimes people throw in some details that give a character a certain faith without intending to, which is really fun, especially when I point it out to those talented fic writers :)

**Green Baron leaves followed by John McLoughlin**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Saturday, December 5, 1998 02:51:23 AM
IP: 175-188-134.ipt.aol.com

No, no, no.., yall are viewing this Jesus/Gargoyle thing the wrong way. To hell with religion, (forgive the pun), ok, here's this human, known for doing kind things, (miracles aside), nice, loving man.., coming face to face with a.., I don't wanna say demonic, but "traditionally thought to be demonic" creature.., that would kick asses up and down the road! I'd pay to see that! Anyway, I think I'm about to do my first *SPOILER* in "Through the Ages" Jesus did see Brook, and Brook was like- "Oh my God", that was cool, to me anyway. And..., something's crawling on me...., ok, anyway, I probably shouldn't have thought so, but I thought that part about Jerry Garica was funny, is that wrong of me? I was just amused by it, is all. All in all I had fun reading this story, and to me having fun while reading is what it's all about, then again that's just me. *End of my excuse for a SPOILER*
Speakin of fanfics, did i advertise my third story? Oh well, it's been up since Thanksgiving, it ain't goin no where. What else was I gonna say? Oh yeah...., wait I'll be back.
Jackal - [Jkal1127@aol.com]
Ga, usa
Saturday, December 5, 1998 01:31:46 AM
IP: spider-wd054.proxy.aol.com

SOMETHING** "Click click." **END SOMETHING?

32 OR 33 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!

Just found a very fun site that explains Macbeth, and has a large amount of humor to it. Hopefully, you can click my name and check it out. If not, the address is
http://www.webcom.com/falcon/Macbeth.html
It's funny, AND the story makes sense! Worth checking out!

Tonight I watched Miracle on 34th Street and Starship Troopers at the same time, flipping back and forth. Now THAT is interesting television...

Showtime has a new original series coming called Total Recall 2070, based off the Swartzenager movie...

Accidents- It just bothers me that EVERY SINGLE CAR that passes by one has to slow down and look at them, even if there is no flaming wrekage or anything interesting about it...

Leos taking over the world- Shortly after my post, I recieved a mysterious e-mail saying I shouldn't talk about it anymore to any non-Leos...

SOMETHING** "Click click." **END SOMETHING

Rashaan- Happy B-Day. Nichodemus, if I missed you before, happy B-Day to you too.

Doug-Tyl's overpower set is appropriate... I was wondering though, what would a card for Vinnie be like? I can imagine it now, special attack "Mr. C." Can temporarily blind the enemy, but slows character down by 90%, increases odds of getting hurt... Special attack "Comic relief" Vinnie delivers some of the best lines in the series, everyone stops fighting to laugh. Get in a free hit. A Vinnie card would be fun...

Durid-I should be registered, I haven't checked since I signed up... And as near as I can tell from what is referred to later, anything involving Two-Spear's line ended up dead and without too much to follow it up...

Lawrence Stone- Rome gargs? Sounds interesting. I have Australian ones myself.

SOMETHING** "Click click.""ZORAK! CUT IT OUT!"** END SOMETHING

Coyote- "While we run for our lives, lets make some replies." You're a poet, and you probably didn't know it.
New machine? Coolness.
Disney's attempted assassinations of other good animated films always fail, as Anastasia proved. And now its too late for them to release Beuty and the Beast as competition for Prince of Egypt anyway... (To any Disney people reading this, no offense, but re-releasing The Little Mermaid right before Anastasia was a slightly apparent ploy...)
And actually, when I spoke of opening night for movies, I was talking about the audience participation you only get then, not the seating...

Jaden-No harm done with my name... And it isn't too surprising that you found Thailog so easily, Jim plastered him with enough drinks to give him a hangover that could last for weeks...

SOMETHING** "Click Click." "Zorak! I said cut it out!" "Sorry. Gobba hey gobba hey gobaa hey hey hey..."** END SOMETHING
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 01:16:41 AM
IP: spider-tn062.proxy.aol.com

Creativity De -- uh -- Angel? >> All this talk of the Crucifixion has made me wonder why nobody's mentioned the flip side, esp. as we are now in the holidays season. Brooklyn and Sata as the "angels" appearing to the shepherds? ; ) 'Scuze me if this has been done, or offends someone; I just woke up and am off to work (where, finally, I hope to begin my next fic!)

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, December 5, 1998 01:12:58 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Kitainia: I bow to the wisdom of the RP Ref. Please excuse my lapse in timing ... shortly before making the last post we were going north of nuts trying to figure out why the monitor of the new machine wouldn't work (answer: the monitor was shot. At least it's under warranty.). My mistake, mea culpa ... I will *try* not to make it again.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, December 5, 1998 12:33:48 AM
IP: modem66.i-is.com

Last post of the night...

** Deuce walks in, bleary-eyed. He is just beginning his sixth hour straight on the computer, and he has been reading X-Files fanfic for a good 1.5 hours now. **

COYOTE> Congrats, man! Welcome to the wonderful world of advanced technology! (Speaking as someone who just upgraded from a 486, I know how you feel). And yes, Dan and I are bandos. I play a very recently repaired and thus perfect flute, and Dan plays the tenor sax. (He's off the 'net for the weekend, poor guy). As for the S.O. issue, I'm nowhere near getting one. I think. *ponders*

FLEUR> I'll miss your interesting little brand of insanity. God bless, and come back soon!

** leaves, kicking himself for not taping "Early Edition" tonight. By "kicking himself", I mean literally; I'm quite flexible. **

Thus concludes Deuce's 4-post Friday. See y'all tomorrow (or, God forbid, Monday).
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 4, 1998 11:52:09 PM
IP: ppp0172.connect.ab.ca

<Double Post Apologies>

Glad you're with us now, Jaden. If you want to see a good telling of Brooklyn at the Crucifixion (and yes, Jesus does see him), check out Doug's latest on the GFW archive.

Later.
Kitainia
Friday, December 4, 1998 11:36:54 PM
IP: hil-qbu-ppw-vty63.as.wcom.net

**RP ALERT** The screen comes back on. Mitsuki (Son of Godzilla) and Mothra (this is the caterpillar form, btw) are chasing Coyote and his tank. The others in the party are racing down the River Walk, trying to distract and get away from Ghidra, Godzilla, MechaGodzilla, and Rodan. Kitainia ducks into a coffee shop, drinks an entire pot of capucino in one gulp, and then runs back outside. While escaping from the monsters, she also turns to make a post in the CR. **PAUSE RP**

DumlaoX: Many thanks for your post on the censorship issue. I'm glad to know we're safe. For now, anyway. We must still keep our guard up.

Doug: Don't forget what the Remnant did with Kenny all throughout their play. They had him act just like their kind of twisted "Christian," and he "died" and got "raised" a la Lazarus just to promote the FE's view. I don't know why we watched that play. Oh well, something to do in free time. And the old adage about knowing your enemies.

Princess Bride: Cool, hilarious, romantic, and overall good movie. I liked Inigo and Fezzik best, but the other characters were also all good. Thanks for reminding me of it.

Happy Birthday to Rahassan and Nicodemus!

Get-well card to Dan, miss-you one to Fleur.

Leos taking over the world: We control the world already, people. You just don't realize it. Duval, Oberon, and Madoc are all Leos. And I am as well, I control my life, the part of the world I live in. Just as everyone does, Leo or not. So yeah, we control the world. But it's not a major conspiracy.

Gun Control: I'm all for the second amendment, personally. I think the good guys need whatever they can get in order to combat the bad guys. At the same time, we have to know how and always remember to use our guns safely and responsibly, not like the Jonesboro boys or Charles Whitman or Homer Simpson (in the Simpsons ep on gun control) did. If people would do that, we wouldn't need gun control laws. But they don't, so we do need them. That's my two cents.

Umbriel Pic: This reminds me how many pics have been done of characters that we can't use in here. Umbriel, Garlon, Ultra-Pack Jackal and Coyote, Sekhmet, Sevarius, Lucy, and oh so many more. Wonder when they'll be added.

Coyote: Congrats on your new computer. I must alert you to a possible continuity error in your RP. How did Buick know Gubio and everyone at the Onslaught was in trouble? Animal sixth sense and a psychic message from Tricia are two possible explanations, I suggest you use one of them. If you saw it happening in the CR through your tank's computer, that could also work. Just letting you know you should not just go blindly running off into a situation without telling us how you know about it first. RP can easily get out of hand if people keep doing that.

Also, are you aware how big these monsters are? This is Godzilla, Ghidra, etc. from the original Japanese movies, in all their fury. No wa a truck like the Onslaught (which is only as big as a normal Mack) could run over or even make a dent by crashing into them. The truck would be much more damaged than the monster. I trust there are enough cool heads inside our vehicle to not try anything so dumb. Looks like Gubio's shut-down program is our only way of stopping them. Hope it works!

Later.
**RP AGAIN** The Ravens, bikers, and those with them flee on down the River Walk, hoping Jaden will catch up to them soon and that Coyote can bring back their other friends. Meanwhile, aboard the Onslaught, Keith has succesfully disarmed the bomb (this one wasn't a collapsible circuit) and removes it. Jammer slows down and breathes a sigh of relief. "Uh, guys," Tricia says suddenly. "There's a big tank coming up behind us." Jammer looks in his mirror and growls. "It's the Borg-morons tank, piloted by Borg Dreissen and Borgcut! We better alert Shap and Gubio." Trish nods and sends a message to the two of them, who are still in the trailer. The screen then fades out. To be continued! **END RP AND THIS POST**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 11:34:09 PM
IP: hil-qbu-ppw-vty63.as.wcom.net

****RP!!!****
Jaden and Fleur run toward the sounds of battle as fast as possible. They find Doug fighting a group of Borg monsters. Fleur moves in to help laser cannon blazing, while Jaden drops the club he's been using. "That club is NOT going to any good," he says looking around. "I need something much bigger." Screen fades out.**

Doug-Bobby Oy! I meant Robby. I was in a hurry that night.

Nicodemus-Happy Birthday! By the way I like the name. I used to watch that cartoon all the time when I was younger.

Crucifixion-Brooklyn witnessing the Crucifixion, hmmmmm. That has possiblities. Brooklyn trying to stop it, even more interesting. Jesus actually seeing or saying something to Brooklyn...Whoa sensory overload!

Rahsaan Footman-Hey! How can you know about the our plans to take over the world? Only Leos are supposed to know about that!! Who told you!? You better not tell anyone else!!! Oh and Happy Birthday.

DumlaoX-Disney actually has people who surf Gargoyle sites? For a job? Um yes I'll take that job. Disney really does have people everywhere. Next thing you know the President of the United States will also be a Disney employee. Well if they happen to read this I'd like to make a suggestion...Make a new Star Tours ride. The one you got is getting old.

Robby (see I got it right this time)-Your a Leo and you don't know about the world domination plan? I'm shocked...you havn't been coming to the meeting have you. Shhhh it's a secret.

Princess Bride-I liked that movie too.

****RP!!!****
Tracker has finally found Thailog. He had been tracking for what seemed like weeks. He had left an obvious trail and had been easy to find. He moved from his hiding spot and approached him. Screen fades out. To be continued.
****RP!!!****
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, December 4, 1998 11:30:54 PM
IP: pm1-12.sma.silcom.com

**RP!!**The screen lights up to reveal everyone on Coyote's tank lurching as Buick makes a sudden judgment call, turning the tank away from the chaos and running away from the Borgified monsters.**

BUICK!! Whaddya think you're doing?!

<"ARF! ARF!">

What? There's trouble with the Onslaught?

<"You understood that?">

Didn't you know, Jason? I'm fluent in dog. Oh well, fire off your arrows toward the monsters!

**Coyote, Jason and the Gearhead let fly with their arrows, striking the monsters square in their backs. The explosives in the arrows slow the monsters down for a bit, then they start chasing after the tank itself.**

Well, that certainly didn't go as planned. While we run for our lives, let's make some replies. **END RP FIRST HALF!!**

Why I'm so happy tonight: I have a new machine!! YEESSS! **compses self** Sorry. But I'm happy, I'm now in the '90s! For anyone who cares ... the new machine is an IBM Aptiva, with a Centrix 166 MMX processor and a 56K modem. Fun stuff!!

Censorship: I tried to post on this last night, but about that time my old machine threw up its hands and quit. Anyway, Doug, it was disheartening to hear that Tom Simpson (an on-line buddy of mine) was forced to take down his X-Files site: his Xena site is one of the biggest and most popular on the Web and he helped me and my ex in promoting our own Xena site. This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder ... if Tom or the guy with the KOTH page had been putting up photos of lewd sex acts, the ACLU would have sprung to their defense. However, since they were being sued over fansites and the suing lawyers were Baker and Hostetler, IMHO, the ACLU played chicken-s**t with the whole situation. (pardon my French)

Robby: That gets into a rumor *I* heard ... that Disney, in its tradition of brutally assassinating all other studios' attempts at animated features, would be re-releasing "Beauty and the Beast" with the intent of killing "Prince of Egypt." Although that rumor has turned out to be false ... thus far.

Fleur: Don't make me do this ... I promised myself I would cry ... **sniff** ;) We'll miss ya, Fleur.

Nicodemus: Happy Birthday!

Deuce, Dan: Dost mine ears deceive me, or do I detect fellow bandos? YAY, I'm not the only one anymore! (since AotN doesn't post as often as she used to) And I wouldn't kick you out if you finally found a SO, but I would think you would rather be with her than hanging around with a bunch of losers like us. ;)

Ravyn: Well, it just goes to show ya the corporate mindset ... no matter how devoted the fans are, if it interferes with their profit margins, they're dead meat.

Robby again: Acually, it doesn't really matter here whether you go on the opening *night* or the opening *day,* it's equally as slow. Example ... I was at my local theater at the *very* first showing of "Titanic" on opening day. I was there two hours early, having bought my tickets the day before in anticipation of the crowd. And I wound up with the best seat in the house (stadium seating, it's the middle of the sloped section.). I always go early.

Rahsaan: Happy Birthday, too!

Durid: That's nothing. This city (not Algonac) sent out three black and whites ... for a breakdown in the turn lane, almost in the exact same spot. Why would you need three, when two will suffice just as well?

**RP!!**

Great, now we're being chased by giant Borg monsters!

<"I have a thought, Coyote.">

Okay, what is it?

<"Maybe we can draw the monsters in the path of the Onslaught?">

Hey, that's a thought. I've been monitoring, they've got a Speed-style bomb aboard. Maybe we can get the monsters to get run over! Buick, full speed ahead!!

<"ARF!">

**Buick hits the acceerator, speeding the tank even faster than it had been as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the MUCH FASTER LOADING Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, State of Euphoria, (YEE-HAWW!)
Friday, December 4, 1998 11:04:52 PM
IP: modem66.i-is.com

Post #3...

DOUG> His site's up, but he's not writing any more books. Damn Paramount.

One more to get my goal....

(Sorry if these multiple posts bug anyone...).
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champs, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 4, 1998 10:35:33 PM
IP: ts1371.connect.ab.ca

**RP** The screen comes on. The Onslaught is speeding down the San Antonio freeway, Jammer and Keith in the cab with Tricia. All of a sudden, a hologram of the ski-masked Tyl appears between them. "You know, idiots," he chuckles. "I left a few presents in this truck you haven't found yet." He points to a large metal box at Jammer's feet. "That's a bomb," he says as they all point weapons at him. "You go above 50, it's armed. You drop below 50 or go over 80, kablam! Later!" His image fades away. Jammer looks at the spedometer. "Aw, f&*k, I'm already at 75!" He starts to slow down a little as Keith bends down to try and disarm the explosives.

Meanwhile, Doug and those with him are engaged in a fierce battle with the Borg monsters, doing little real damage to them. "If only there was some way to get rid of Borg assimilation," Doug sighs as he fires a plasma-blast at Mecha-Ghidra, only to have it only cause a minor wound and then the monster assimilates himself to this form of damage. Doug dashes away from the monster's triple breath-weapon blast, ducks behind a parked car, and turns to face the CR. **RP PAUSE**

Hey, everyone. We have a huge battle raging here, and right now it's looking like we're about to lose. These things have already assimilated themselves to all our guns, Lathrop and Orion's magic, the immortals' swords, and most of our explosives. If Gubio were here, his Borg shut down program might work on them, but we don't know where he is.

Deuce: Actually, Phil Farrand's Star Trek Nitpicker site is still up, I accessed it earlier today. It just hasn't been updated in a while.

Dan: Get well soon. We're praying for you.

Happy birthday to Rahassan and Nicodemus!

Jackal: Great, I'll be eagerly awaiting your comments on my story. :)

Fleur: Miss you.

Kyryn: Uh, your name on the last post is not a link. I can't get to the site you were describing. Oh well, I probably know what's there already, being an advocate of gun control. I think they should be used for hunting and self-protection, yeah, that's good. But at the same time, you don't need to go Jimbo and Ned on animals, nor do you need an Uzi when a shotgun or rifle will do just as well to get the bad guy attacking you. Therefore, guns should be available to anyone 18 or older who can use them safely (i.e. I support background checks so these things don't end up in the hands of every John Q. Maniac), but it should still be illegal to give people weapons they don't really need. That way, everyone is in less danger. I know, this doesn't sound like I'm supporting freedom. But I have to also support safety amd responsibility. The two go hand in hand, and guns don't really promote either. Not only do they make maniacs or angry people even more dangerous, they can easily make someone crazy with power because they're such fast-kill weapons. That's what happened with Charles Whitman, with the Jonesboro boys, and in several other instances. That's my opinion, anyway. I prefer clubs and other non-lethal-at-first-hit weapons to guns myself, but of course since most bad guys these days carry guns, the good guys have to fight fire with fire. It sucks. But hey, if it gets the job done, and there's no other choice, why not use it? Ugh, circular argument. I better get off this subject and on to another.

Leos taking over the world: Hmm, Kitainia's a Leo. I wonder if she's in on the conspiracy. :)

DumlaoX: Thanks for flushing my worries away. I still have them, and will remain vigilant in case trouble does come, but because of your post, I'm not as worried now as I was last night about Disney lawsuits. I will of course take your disclaimer advice and use it, I'll definitely post the best disclaimers available (GFW's or S8's) on my site when I get it up. I also have my stories on backup disk, so they will stay around as well, no matter what happens. Even if the disk got destroyed, the memory (in my head) would remain!

Hi to any Disney employees out there, glad you approve of our fandom and aren't as narrow-minded or megalomaniacal as the networks who are forcing others to take down their fan websites.

Ravyn: Don't worry, like DumlaoX said, they probably won't come after us. They know better than to mess with a good thing. At least, that's my impression. :)

Wilek: Here's the e-mail I sent you: Got your descriptions, thanks for sending them. They look great! I
think I already know what group Miriam belongs to, but I won't say. Just make sure to ask her if she knows a girl named K (my cousin), she's in the organization also. :) Forfexx sounds interesting, I like his jokes. Here's another good quote for him, inspired by Dr. Seuss:

"I will kill them in a boat, then I will sit and watch them float. I will kill them in my house and feed their bodies to my mouse. I will kill them here and there, I will kill them anywhere!!! Muhahahha!!!"

Wait a minute, he probably isn't quite THAT insane. BTW, is he the Longinus from "Roar" too? That was a good show on Fox last year about Roman-era Ireland, it's off the air now. Longinus was a main villain on it. It had a lot of cool characters, especially Caitlin (she helped inspire my character Laura James) and Fergus (he helped inspire my character Seth). I miss the show a lot, shame it had to end.

Doubt I'll be featuring any of your characters in my fanfic, I've got too much planned that they couldn't fit into easily. Thanks for the offer just the same. As for the spear, yes, Seth did steal it during World War 2. It's mentioned in "Clash of the New Olympians," the story now up on the archive for you to enjoy. :) Basically he has the thing in his closet right now, he doesn't know what it is. But he will find out in an upcoming story and try to use it against an ancient enemy of his later on. I don't know if I want to work the spear's wielder into my work. I have enough immortals already, and I like to think "Roar" ended with Connor somehow killing him instead of the major cliffhanger Fox had. Bigger :)

Your hacker message reminds me of Gubio, of course. He's told me that story about hackers, he still holds out to the dream of scrupulous activity, hacking for curiosity most of the time. Sometimes he'll also spread random program upgrades or virus cures around the web, just for fun. Then there was the time he hacked into a banking company's computers, and fixed their Y2K problems before he had to jump out. He's going to try that with another company this weekend, the university's computers this time. Hope it works. The only malicious activities Gubio engages in are spamming and sending virus-ridden files to various websites that promote beastiality, child porn, and people killing others for fun. He hates sites like that. Other than that, Gubio is one of the Net's most scrupulous hackers. He's nothing like the guys like his arch-rival Tyl. :)

I'm afraid I haven't really played Doom, Doom II, Quake II, or Hexen. I'm more of a Wolfenstein, Blake Stone, and Duke Nukem man. So you will need to send me info on the CD's powers. Sorry about that. Maybe I should try to buy and play the games. If I only had the necessary time and cash.

There, now you know what I said. So you can reply to it!

Rahassan: Thanks for the interesting comments on historical event stories. I agree, events are a trap. *FANFIC SPOILER* My story "Through the Ages" features a lot of important historical events, but it's not really about them. It's about Brooklyn as he encounters each event and sees the characters of Seth and Agony develop through the ages of their lives. Anyone who reads the work can see how Seth became such a crazed vigilante guy; and several of the things Agony did in his long life I have not before mentioned, all of which developed him into the brooding but enthusiastic storyteller and cold-blooded killer he is today. Brooklyn is also developed in the story, as he reacts to each event and wonders why he's seeing it all, and especially why he is seeing Agony all throughout. Brooklyn doesn't really take part in any of the events, he mostly watches them happen, but that can be as profound an experience as actually participating, in my opinion. For example, I had him just observe the Crucifixion but not actually meet Jesus or try to stop it. I had him remember Brother Edmund's stories of it, and all the good the event would bring about, so he didn't interfere, he just watched and went through a series of emotions. Yes, I of course put a positive spin on the event, but that's because I think it was very positive in its results. I consider that scene one of the most emotional I've ever done. Hope the fans agree with me. The story also has several creativity demon indulgences in it (read it to find out) and teasers about future events in my saga. It's kinda "Fleeting Encounters" crossed with "Games Without Frontiers," I guess. Some reader gave the story five stars, I'm glad they think it deserves them (particularly with all the work I put into my fanfic). It may feature many important events, but it's not about the events. It's about the people involved, and their reactions, which develop the characters. IMO, important historical figures can be as interesting as common people when viewed through this lense. Read the fic if you like, I hope you all enjoy it. *END SPOILERS*

TJ Veil: I don't make religion a major focus of my characters or stories, either, though it is included. You're right, beliefs are an important part of people. In the end, though, stories should be about people rather than just beliefs. IMO, they're much more interesting from the people perspective. Completely agree with you about what's in Disney's best interests.

Durid: I'm in the registry already. So is Kitainia.

Princess Bride: I love that movie. Although I kinda was wishing Wesley really would die when he got put through the torture. Part of me wanted my favorite character in the movie (Inigo Montoya, who is THE MAN!) to get the girl, not him. Sigh, oh well, the movie's about true love, not action. So why am I complaining? I just wish they'd gotten more love interests (and female characters) in there than just Buttercup!

Today the Remnant did something terrible on campus. They put on a "Spirit of Christmas" street production. Yes, "Spirit of Christmas" as in the South Park episode. But they corrupted it to suit their twisted objectives. When their Brother Dale, who was Kenny, said "Jews don't celebrate Christmas," he added, "That's why they're all going to hell." And after Jesus (Pastor Paul) killed Santa, he went into a long sermon about how we're destroying the true meaning of Christmas with all our gifts and celebrations of events besides the birth of Christ, and that Santa should have his name's letters rearranged into Satan. Sigh, I just can understand where these people are coming from, but not why they have to insult, damn, and violently threaten everyone who doesn't think like they do. It's people like them that give Christianity the bad name it unfortunately often enjoys these days.

Today's OverPower RP villain: Tyl the Evil Hacker.
Stats: Energy 4, Fighting 3, Strength 4, Intellect 7.
Specials: Cyberspace Mastery (target character may not attack for remainder of battle); Hacking Run (opponent must reveal all specials in hand); Techno-Genius (acts as a level 4 Intellect attack. May combine with one Energy power card to make a single attack); High-Level Virus* (Level 8 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); Nuke (Level 6 Energy, Strength, or Intellect Attack); Screw Up Hard Drive (target opponent must reshuffle draw pile), Connection Bounce (attack against Tyl hits teammate of his choice, who may defend); Flame War (target opponent must attack Tyl with -2 bonus every one of the next three turns); Hologram (avoid 1 attack); Steal File (take one card from Tyl's draw pile and place in hand, reshuffle draw pile); Change Record (remove 1 permanent record point); Spam Flood (prevents target opponent from taking any action for next three rounds).

If you'll notice, a lot of his special attacks are bad things people do on the web these days. I figured they'd be appropriate since Tyl is an evil hacker. :)

Something TGS-Related: Of those who were originally on Madoc's side in the first Unseelie war, I know Balor and Ymir have perished. I also remember another evil fay from "The Rising" who appeared in the flashbacks, the Mayan/Aztec war god (his name I can't remember). He has yet to show up in the modern day, I wonder if he also perished in the first Seelie/Unseelie conflict. Or if not, how long it will be before he does show up. Creativity Demon: If he is alive, the fay in question might be one of the world's more violent dictators.

That's all for now, later!
**RP AGAIN** Doug and those with him keep fighting the monsters, determined to hold out despite their monster foes' assimilation. Strangely, the rest of Asil's army is nowhere to be seen. Wonder where it went off to. The answer comes when the screen changes, showing them back at Thailog's base. Borgis is walking around spouting Cornholio lingo, to the chuckling of Butt-Borg. Asil is talking with Guod, Thailog, and an elderly Russian man in a wheelchair. "Excellent plan you had, lover," she chuckles to the other clone gargoyle. "The Ravens now fight a foe they can do nothing to harm, one that will soon destroy them. I'd like to do the deed myself, but I don't want to give myself Borg implants and to do it, I might have to." Guod hides a frown. "I saw that!" Asil snaps at him. The screen fades out, to be continued next time. **END RP AND POSTING**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, December 4, 1998 10:23:48 PM
IP: hil-c45-007-vty119.as.wcom.net

Friday night post #2...

ROBBY re: OPENING NITES> I've been there. Saw the X-Files movie opening night, 2nd last show. There was cheering, there was clapping, there was a couple whistles at key points. I'll be aiming for the same effect next weekend.

RAHSAAN> Whoo-hoo! Fellow Princess Bride fan! Yippee!!

ACCIDENTS> Saw a taxi on Monday that had been totalled. Not sure if anyone was OK, but the cab was a total write-off. I counted 2 cop cars (taking time off from doing NOTHING) and 1 ambulance.

End of 2nd Friday night post (aiming for 4)...
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 4, 1998 08:57:57 PM
IP: ppp0075.connect.ab.ca

Happy Birthday Nicodemus

Everyone I'm making my own Gargoyle Clan. They will live in Rome. There will be three characters and they will be Pagan. Which is my religion? I will post tomorrow their names.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Friday, December 4, 1998 08:55:55 PM
IP: chil-ras2-3-cs-18.dial.bright.net

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Anonymous
Friday, December 4, 1998 08:44:00 PM
IP: chil-ras2-3-cs-18.dial.bright.net

Aris> Heh, looks like my weekly schedule. ;)

AOL/Netscape Merger> What I wanna see... will AOL improve to Netscape's standards, or will Netscape lower to AOL's standards? I sure hope the former.

Ravyn> March 13, 1997?? I thought it was a tad more recent than that, from what y'all were saying... thanks for the info, tho. :)

Netscape 4.5> Best dang web browser out there, IMHO. And Netscape Composer has made website updates way easier. :)

Sevarius Jr.> The bad guy in ST IX is the jealous composer guy from Amadeus? Heh, neat. :)

Fandom Threats> I've noticed that there may be dark days for fandom ahead. Star Trek, and the ones Doug named, are but some of the fandoms being affected. Heck, even the Rat Patrol fandom, a rather old one as fandoms go, can no longer make fanzines, or so I heard... it's pretty dumb, though, to alienate fans with this sort of stuff. Shooting themselves in the foot...

Fleur> Hope to see ya back again. :)

Happy birthday, Nicodemus! :)

Dan> Wasn't aware there was an Umbriel pic myself... get better soon. <:)

DumlaoX> Disney peoples surf Gargoyle sites? My site could be seen by Disney employees? That's somehow pleasing and disturbing at the same time... ;)
Nice to hear they're okay with us, tho. :)

Durid> Thanks for the free advertising. :)

*backs off to work on webstuff*
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 08:09:44 PM
IP: spider-te063.proxy.aol.com

Heather: No I haven't read any of your fanfiction, still DL them mostly. And glad to see another fan of ANIMORPHS.

Coyote the Bando: It isn't just in your town. I drove by 3 accidents in the last 2 months, and there were alawys 2 police cars there and an ambluiance, at a minmium.

Longinus: Yes, he was in the series "Roar". But I don't think that will come back. Like the Series "Nightmare Cafe", it was emant to be a tempory one to keep peoples attetion in the off season of TV.

Timedancer: Yes it would be, and in the Gargoyle Universe Destiny plays a big part. However, it would be a good scene, Brooklyn, the demonic looking Gargoyle meeting Jesus. But I dont' htink it would happen, just because it is hard to handle major Religion like that without offending somebody.

Doug Elder: Yikes! Oh boy, if we are sued, we had better be able to get in contact with eachother just for startes. PLEASE SIGH UP ON THE "GARGOYLE FAN REGESITRY" IN CASE WE ARE SUED!!! Click on my name to get there, and leave info on how we can contect you for if we are sued. May want to also back up your stories on a disk, then hide the disk!

But hey, look on the bright side. A lawsuit of all the Fanfiction writers will get alot of publicty for Gargoyles! I could see the papers writeing about how the fandom has only grown after the show was cancled. In the meantime, back-up your stories on a disk, then hide the disk!

Wilek: Um, if I rember correctly, the Crufiction took place over at least 3 days. The arrest and betrayel of Jesus, his toture where he got the crown of thorns, and then the
Crucifixion itself.

Robby: That is what I mean. I mean, I bought books 1-4, then waited YEARS for book five! I never find out what happens to two-spear and 'his' child.

Going to the final showing opening night, @#$% Wish I could, but I have to get up at 5 tommrow for work. *sigh* New job, but a good job.

Dan: Yikes! Well, that is one way to spend quality time with your computer :). Hope you get better!

Jackel: Don't be so sure of that. One guy's entire website got taken down on Geocities because of "graphic Material", and he did have warnings - Talon's Eyrie. And no, he is not a Gargoyle fan.

Kryn: Not really. The gate seems to be taking him along "His Desitny". I mean, Will Scarlet has exsisted long before Brookly awoke in New York, so did Kermit the Frog, and Gargoyles themselves for that matter. Those things already happend, so they had to happen :), and to quote Xantos "But didn't, so you won't. Time Travel is funny that way."

Nicodemus: Happy birthday.

DumaLoX: Heheh, guess I shouldn't have been cagey about this website when that Disney employee said that he was a big Gargoyle fan.

Duece & Disney Employees: Aye, make a movie, and re-hire Greg Weisman so it will come out as cannon!

Religion in Fics: Hmmm, I did have a creativity demon about doing that (Yikes, bad wording). I may, I may not. Depends on what people say about my own Fic.

Fluer: Hey, have you proofread that yet? Sorry for being impatient, but after my last proofreader just poofed...... Oh nooooo, not again!!!!

WARNING WARNING, READ THIS INCASE WE ARE SUED BY SOME HAPPY GO-LUCKY LAWYER

SIGN UP ON "THE GARGOYLE FAN REGESITY" AND LEAVE SOME WAY OF CONTACTING YOU, IF ONLY BY SNAIL OR E-MAIL. IN CASE ONE OF US ARE SUED, WE CAN GET HELP FROM THE OTHERS AND THEY WILL HAVE TO FACE A UNITED FRONT INSTEAD OF TAKING US DOWN ONE BY ONE. CLICK ON MY NAME TO GO THERE.
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Friday, December 4, 1998 08:06:57 PM
IP: dialupj208.mpls.uswest.net

***T. J. Veil appears from the shadows***

Disney people reading this? That doesn't surprise me. It also doesn't surprise me that sites like this are accepted by T. V. and movie studios. After all, by shutting down sites, they only do to things. 1) Decrease the availability of information on their show. The more sites there are for a certain show, the more likely it is that someone will stumble across one and decide its interesting. 2) Piss off the fans. The people that regularly visit the sites would very likely get annoyed if they were shut down. IMHO, it is in Disney's best interest to keep these sites open.

I also plan to see the new Star Trek movie, but I may not be able to make it to the opening. I know I'm not the only one who won't be seeing it right away, so please include spoiler warnings if you are going to discuss it. Thanx

Happy Birthday Nicodemus.

Religion in fics > I do include religion in my fanfics. However, I do not show things that happened in religious texts. In my current main series, I have several characters that are Christians (as this is my religion and thus, the one I am most familiar with) and have several Jewish characters planned for the future, but I try not to make the religion the major focus of the character. What you believe helps to define who you are, and including things such as this just helps to further flesh out the characters.

Doug > As far as the Overpower cards go, they are interesting. I think it would be cool to see some of the Gargoyles canon characters or TGS characters. I don't understand everything about them since I don't play the game however. I stick to the Star Trek CCG and Rage Across Las Vegas. Of course, part of it depends on player base. I understand that our area has one of the better Rage player bases in the nation.

Mandi > Oral surgery? I feel sorry for you. Are you getting wisdom teeth removed or something? I had that done last year. It's not that bad. You even get to eat ice cream for a while ;-).

AOhelL > I'm glad I don't have to worry about internet service. I get it through the university. Seven bucks a month for unlimited ethernet access through my dorm room. I hate Internet providers. I have to worry about my hometown's system when I'm home from breaks. Not only is it slow as hell, but it has a limit to the number of people that can be on at a time and tends to crash regularly.

Thought for the day
"The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three element: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 07:43:28 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

To clear up confusion. Yes, today is my birthday. 24. The thig about Leo's is comes from the 'Conspiracies only I know'. And I can attest to the late night viewing. In my old college we had a midnight showing of the 'Princess Bride'. Thrilled to find out I wasn't the only one who loved the movie.
When in the course of Human Events> The biggest trap in time travel stories is to go to the historical events. Sort of like when you go to Paris, you go to the Eiffel Tower. But, it's always the small out-of-the-places that make the great stories. I like when the history is a backdrop, but the drama of the characters is the story, rather than the event be the story. Especially in time travel stories, because you don't know when history happens. Like the commercial says, 'things that happen when the world wasn't looking'. Very rarely is an event televised and its import fully known. Sort of in the same vein as the Avalon tour. Goliath didn't met heads of state. He met ordinary people in extraordinary situations. The impact the travellers made was profound, but it began with the individual. That's where I see it.
Rahsaan Footman - [taleweave@usa.net]
Friday, December 4, 1998 07:38:42 PM
IP: 134.71.30.111

Fluer- Bye, you'll be missed. (Jim Iza Noying goes over to a stack of party hats left over from lasts month's event, and hollers, "We can have fun now!")

Nicodemus- Hey, at least its an easy age to remember. And your B-day present from me is.... Well, to be honest, nothing except a friendly message.

TO EVERYONE WHO INTENDS TO SEE STAR TREK INSURRECTION...

This comes from experiance, but if possible, see the movie opening NIGHT, FINAL showing. That's when all the Trekkies and Trekkers go, and the fun begins. You get a much greater experiance with an audience hollering and cheering at key moments and that knows who the characters are, which is what you get when every Trek fan in your local city arrives to watch the latest movie. And sometimes, you'll get to see some REALLY obsessed fans in costume. Its almost like a convention! I should know, I attended opening night, last showing for First Contact... And I got a lot more out of it that when I saw Generations opening day. Sure its a wait of a few more hours, but it is SOOOO worth it. At least, if your town has trekkies at all like mine...

Dan- No, if I had WAAAY too much free time, I would have posted every possible countdown I could think of in that post, and spent an hour brainstorming them. I have a calander in front of me, it took about twenty seconds to figure out the new millenium and Gathering 99... And even then I may have been off by a few days...

Kyryn- You mean AOL survived my vent from the other day? Hmm... If I was still RPing, I'd join your attack..

Rahsaan- I'm a Leo, and this is the first I've heard of Leo's trying to take over the world... Have I missed something?

Hmm... Creativity demon... Leo the gargoyle meeting the Brain, who MUST be a Leo given this new knowledge that Leos are planning to take over the the world... And thinking about it , LEOnardo Dicaprio's movie grossed more than just about any other movie ever made... There might JUST be some conspiracy here I need to be let in on...

DumlaoX- Good to know that the Gargoyles internet presance is safe.

Now I have to leave and see if I can join in this Leo conspiracy thing...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 06:59:36 PM
IP: spider-te054.proxy.aol.com

**RP**
[The team is in the landing craft. The now unconscious enemy pilot is tied up in back. Wilek: "Well, what were you able to get out of him?" Anoth: "Even he doesn't know where General Zale and his allies are operating from. He does know that there's something going on at Miriam's Dark Star station. General Zale and the Dark Jedi are under orders to take over the Dark Star and use its forces to exterminate your...brother?...and then to overthrow the world's governments." Wilek: "Hm. Alright...I think our plan should be clear now--we get rid of the traitors up at the DS, then use it to find Jerec's ship. Jerec probably comprises at least half of Zale's military power base anyhow; taking him down will make the war against Zale much easier." The landing craft and SJ's TIE Scimitar take off toward the station.]
**PAUSE RP**

Doug> Eh...should I have gotten your e-mail by now? I know I typed my address correctly last time...unless it was supposed to be in all lowercase (dang case-sensitive mail server)...

Jackal> <<Maybe now you can see how religiously screwed up I am>> Yup, that made it pretty clear. ^_^ j/k!

Nicodemus (and Rahsaan?)> HAPPY B-DAY!

Kyryn> <<I think we should just take off and nuke the site from orbit.>> I don't know why, but there was something I just loved about that sentence. :)

Dumalo X> Disney employees tripping over this little cuckoo clock of ours? ;) Wow...Whoever you are, wherever you are, if you're here and you work for Disney, please make your presence known here, and please spread the word about Gargoyles at the company! Thank you! :)

Legal witch hunts against fan sites> I never really understood the point of harassing fan site authors anyhow. I can just imagine them having these holding bays full of evil clones of Miriam (Lex Luthor's assistant Mercy, anyone?), just waiting to sue fan site webmasters out of existence. Eep...Miriam used to be a lawyer (in RP anyhow), though; it's nice having one that is actually on your side. :)

SJ> <<But I wouldn't even dare to touch that subject until my writing was Verrrrrry good, at least Christine caliber...>> You already are if that little vingette (sp?) you wrote is any indication of your skills.

**RP**
[The two craft leave Earth's atmosphere...Jake: "Aw...sh**!" They've flown into the middle of the largest space battle since the Battle of Endor. The Dark Star's five Eclipse Star Destroyers, ten Super Star Destroyers, and countless fighters and smaller capitol ships are engaged in a desperate battle against a massive Imperial fleet, and sometimes, due to the insurrection aboard the Dark Star, against each other. Several TIE fighters angle toward the team's craft and open fire. To be continued...]
**END RP**
Wilek Nereus
Friday, December 4, 1998 06:48:04 PM
IP: tnt-1-139-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Just a few things:

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!**Bells and Whistles sound**
I finally got my story posted. I had to rewrite the darn thing in text format, cause for some reason, the stupid archive wouldn't accept my HTML files. Ah, but it's up, for all the world to see!

COPYRIGHTS: It's good to hear that, at least for the moment, Disney isn't holding an axe over our heads. Personally, I think that we fans are a)keeping the show alive (and through fan fic, fresh) and b)showing them that there is a market for future Garg products. Hopefully they won't go completely evil like the others.

STAR TREK: I just heard from a movie reviewer I know here in D.C., who of course has already screened the film, that this film is by far (in his opinion) the best Star Trek TNG film....maybe the best overall Trek film too. Now I HAVE to see it!

PSYCHO: Well, if it's such a masterpiece, THEN DON'T REMAKE IT. SHOW *gasp, there's that word* ORIGINALITY. I mean, I swear to God, when I think of all the new, cool screenplays that are fresh, original, and would make damn good films that get tossed for the latest "Flintstones" film or a big screen version of "The Mod Squad," I want to go to Hollywood with a gun. Kick ass and take names.
Personally, I know there's probably some Van Sant fans in here, but I think he's just being lazy. I mean hell, I could remake Citizen Freakin' Kane shot for shot using an all new, modern cast, and if I had a big name like Sant's, people would go.

RELIGION IN FICS: I thought, once, about writing a fic about Brook traveling to the Holocaust. But I wouldn't even dare to touch that subject until my writing was Verrrrrry good, at least Christine caliber...

NICODEMUS: Happy B-day! I don't have time to mutate you a gift, so I'm just sending you cash. Don't worry, the statute of limitations has run out. ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 06:20:31 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Friday night post #1...

DAN> It's called the CRACK IN THE SIDE OF THE DOOR.

DISNEY EMPLOYEES> Hey there! How are ya! Psst... tell your bosses to get crackin' and make a Gargoyles movie!

End of THIS post....
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 4, 1998 06:04:21 PM
IP: ts1375.connect.ab.ca

Ravyn--> Thanx!

Deuce--> Thanx for the 62 updated bus schedule, how the hell did you fit it through my locker?!?! (you might want to email me the answer because I won't be in the CR on the weekend.) Enjoy the dance, if your going.

Everyone--> Just incase you don't like to eavsdrop (Yes, I didn't spell that right), I won't be in here on weekends. I don't have much time to explain why, so maybe Deuce will elaborate slightly. (Deuce: Don't be blunt)
Here's a little message for you to think about while I'm away and coughing like crazy!

The second angel poured his bowl into the sea,
and it became like the blood of a dead man.
-APOCALYPSE

depressing yet weird, huh?
ttyl
Dan - [thenetferret@yahoo.com]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 4, 1998 05:18:26 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

**RP!**
**Ravyn joins the Gearhead and Coyote on top of the tank. She waves at Kitainia and the rest of her allies, then takes a look at the Borgified monsters, cringes, and readies an arrow to fire. She then pauses, turning to make some replies.**

Green Baron> Ah, Barry Goldwater. _Very_ big hero in my state. We'll all miss him.

Dan> Hope you feel better! :)

Nicodemus> Happy Birthday! *hands him a cake* :)

Doug> Ack! That's really scary!!!! I can't believe that companies would actually harass their devoted fans...I mean, aren't we giving Gargoyles tons of free advertising? ;) Still, that's scary legal stuff...and thanks on the fic, I'll read it as soon as I can, which'll probably be tomorrow, so I'll comment on it then. :)

DumlaoX> (Re: Disney employees web-surfing) Really?!? Wow! They could be reading this right now...*waves* Hey, Disney employee! Hope you're having fun! :) (heh, heh...)

**MORE RP!**
**Ravyn is tensed and ready to fire her explosive-tipped arrow. Coyote takes a look at her and smiles.
"Calm down, Ravyn, or you won't be able to aim straight."
Ravyn glares at him. "I AM calm. Really."
Coyote shrugs. "Okay..."
Buick suddenly swerves the tank, kicking up some dust. Inside the cloud of dust, Ravyn suddenly sneezes, accidentally pulling the trigger on the crossbow. Somewhere, an explosion goes off, and Ravyn sheepishly grins. "Oops."** **END OF RP FOR NOW.**
Ravyn Maza
Friday, December 4, 1998 04:56:45 PM
IP: 207.204.224.2

Now, where was I...

DISCLAIMERS-- Ok, we all know the situation with other studios, particularly Fox, Paramount, and now recently Warner Bros. Pertaining to us, however, I did something interesting a few years back.

Remember that essay I wrote up? While doing research for that, I called up Disney and talked with an executive that immediately knew who I saw (And I was only 2 weeks into the net scene by then). We talked about various things and the one thing that popped up was websites. According to this man, Disney knows exactly what we are doing. They have people surfing the net for a living over there. People know about Station 8, GFW, and TGS. However, they aren't taking action. The ones spotting us just want us to have fun and leave us alone. Hell, we have Disney employees surfing to our Gargs sites and we don't even know it.

That doesn't mean you should let your guard down.

If anything, place disclaimers all over the place. Not just a bunch of words you made up but something that sounds plausable. Heck, if you can come across some real disclaimers written in legalese, use that. It is our shield given to us by constitutional amendment 1. Use it.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, December 4, 1998 03:35:36 PM
IP: 164.67.59.219

THE ESSAY-- Glad to see everyone liked the essay, even though it was about 2.5 yrs old :P As for my professor, he never saw the series but I did show him the Station 8 website and comment room. He was thoroughly impressed.

PRINCE OF EGYPT-- Actually, it was the harsh realism of the whole story that gave it a PG rating. After all, you see all 10 plagues happening and they pull no punches when it came to dialogue. Also, Jeffrey Katzenberg, producer of the film, didn't want to sugar coat the film. He pushed for the PG rating all the way. Also, to solidify the fact that this is a serious dramatic piece, there are no toy tie ins or fast food tie ins to boot. Only books and few promo items.

MAN OF THE PEOPLE-- Spoke to Michael Mann 2 days ago. Apparently, the title "Man of the People" isn't the title for the film at all. It is still titled "Untitled Tobacco Project".

RELIGION IN TGS-- If anything, we try to stay far away from Biblical or more controversial items as much as possible. Trust me, if we had our way, we would love to touch any and every single area for a good story. However, there are simply some that prove to be too much trouble that they are worth. An event such as the crucifixion of Jesus falls in that area.

PSYCHO REMAKE-- Why the remake if it's a shot by shot duplicate? Ask Gus Van Sant, the director of that and "Good Will Hunting". According to him, he pitched the idea years ago and no one would bite. Until Good Will Hunting. Then Universal gave the green light. He did it shot by shot for 2 reasons. 1) He hates remakes. This is a film to symbolize that hate by not changing a thing at all unlike most remakes do. 2) He saw the original as a masterpiece of work. To him, doing a remake and having young people see it in theatres is like what Lucas did with Star Wars and what Paramount did with Grease. Show the youngsters what a good film is all about.

NICODEMUS-- Happy b-day! May it go well for ya.

I had more to say but the lab is kicking me out for another class.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, December 4, 1998 01:37:43 PM
IP: clsb-mac-13.clicc.ucla.edu

Kitainia: Thanks for the comments on BWPO. Incidentally, that fic was all Dylan Blacquiere's fault. We were walking through the Charlottetown art gallery where there was a Holocaust exhibit up, and he said to me, "What do you think Wagner would make of this?"

I went home and started typing...

Brooklyn at the Crucifixion: A fascinating idea, but not one I'd reccommend for canon TGS. I think that sort of thing would be best explored by independent fanfic. I wouldn't reccommend a Holocaust fic for TGS canon either, for similar reasons...it's too easy to offend someone by involving Brooklyn either too much or not enough.

For a long time I figured I'd never post BWPO for similar reasons, until I got freeback from ppl I'd mailed it to. Still, I wouldn't reccommend something similar as a canon TimeDancer fic.
Stormy
Friday, December 4, 1998 01:06:52 PM
IP: dynixpc4.huron.uwo.ca

Nicodemus> Your birthday's today too. Happy Birthday guy. We Sagittarius have to stick together. (Otherwise the Leos will take over the world.)

Rahsaan Footman - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, December 4, 1998 01:02:11 PM
IP: 134.71.30.111

Quickie post since I have a meeting to run to.

Deuce> You're seeing "Insurrection" next Friday? Cool, enjoy it! I'm probably going to see it on that Sunday for a last hurrah before oral surgery. :P

Missy> Note of interest. Coblentz did not win for once. (They nixed the tree idea at the last minute.) But that's semi-understandable since the freshmen this year did not help AT ALL! However, Memorial only got second place because Shriner got first--and Shriner did almost NOTHING! Memorial looked absolutely wonderful; you would've been proud.

Is anyone else having a lot of trouble getting into Hotmail today, BTW?

Deuce> Actually, I saw both pages, the B&W splash page and the red and gray one. Liked them both.

And last but not least, Happy Birthday to Nicodemus!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 12:30:53 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

**RP**Kyryn and Bandit are seen leaving the GFW Archive. Bandit's tube trap is getting full. "Well, Bandit, do you think we should go after AoHell?" Bandit shakes his head.
"You're probably right. That place must be gremlin central from all the problems people are having. I think we should just take off and nuke the site from from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!" Kyryn turns to the CR and begins to post.**END 1ST HALF RP**

Happy Birthday Nicodemus!

Fleur> I finally got the fic. I enjoyed reading it too. Will email you regarding proofs/edits.

GreenBaron> Thanks for the site recommendation.

Doug> Big Brother strikes again. They keep trying to cut down our first and second amendment rights. Click my name to see what they want to do regarding 2nd amendment. On the copyright issue-- I noticed that all of the sites listed were posting stuff regarding currently active series. One of the reasons undoubtedly has to do with merchandising and creative rights. Fox probably doesn't want some fan coming up later and saying, 'Hey, you stole my plotline that I had posted two years ago'. I don't think that there is currently as much of a chance with Gargs, since it is not an 'active' property. However, we should consider that if the show ever gets going again in any form. Of course if the copyright police really want to nitpick, then they should stand by the copy machines of all the college campuses in the world. I've seen plenty of copyright 'violations' by people copying various materials over the years. I think that a whole lot of people in the world have their heads screwed on far too tight. (The above is my own opinion and does not reflect anyone elses' opinion)

Re: Brooklyn seeing the Crucifixion> I can see Brooklyn seeing this important historical event, but I don't see that there is much of a point to it. The gate has apparently been mostly taking Brooklyn to places where he needs to do something to fix/change time events. I don't think that writers could write an ep where Brooklyn has to get involved without offending someone and a gratuitous scene where he sees it and is gone just cheapens things. Writing alternative events of religious history is just one of those things that it just doesn't pay to mess with.

Oops, gotta go, more later.

**MORE RP**
Bandit reminds Kyryn that some of their friends (like Robby) have to use AoHell for access. "Darn it, I guess we'll just have to do this the hard way!". Kyryn and Bandit enter the building. Loud screams, thumps, crackling sizzles, and banging sounds are heard as the screen goes dark**END RP**
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Friday, December 4, 1998 12:08:31 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

<<You want respect, earn it.>>
Hell muthaf***in yeah! I been sayin that s**t for years!!
And no, I'm not anti-catholic..., just anti-church and things of that nature..., Umm..., it's a long story, it's part of the reason why I'm soo freakin morbid!
<<A crazy with survival skills is difficult to catch, in general.>>
I'm tellin ya, if the dude ran a red light..., the local police would get him.
<<Overall, the Bible if made into a movie would be rated R>>
NC-17 (close you eyes, don't look)..., that's just MPO, who am I, but a little jackal?
<<Anything that's good enough for the Garg WiseMan I have to see. (Prince of Egypt)>>
The lord thy Greg said so?!! I just may have to check out this "god" movie, hehehee, Just kidding, I'm not mocking!
<<Brook viewing the Crucifixion? Personally, I don't think that'd be a good idea>>
Very good, SJ. Now step aside and let me put in my opinion (as if it mattered), Personally, I don't have a problem with it, I mean, it depends on how you look at it. Wither you believe this guy was the son of God or not.., regaurdless, he was a good man that was killed for basically no reason, and it is apart of human history..., it happened. On one hand you have- A guy who may have been off his rocker, thinking he was the son of God, but he never hurt anyone, as a matter of fact he did all he could to help people. On the other hand- He is the son of God, and at best he can try to explain to Brooklyn why he's gotta do what he's gotta do. OR the Hidden Hand- May be God is no more than Fae and created humanity because he has a big ego and wanted something to worship him, being he was losing followers he created a perfect being (Jesus), and his magical blood will save the humans..., but that one has nothing to do with Brooklyn, so nevermind.... (Maybe now you can see how religiously screwed up I am).
<<Psycho opens tomorrow>>
Rob Zombie- Living Dead Girl, WOOOOO!! ok..., nevermind....
<<Wonder if anyone else who's read the story shares his opinion.>>
I'll give my two cents..., I'm just in the mood to talk, forgive me if I make anyone mad, but anyway.., You have my 2 cents comin...
<<We can only hope and pray our various disclaimers are well within the letter of the law.>>
They need to be worryin about people who rape dead bodies and s**t like that instead of "petty" things....
<<BTW, would GeoCities jump down my throat and eat me alive from the inside out if I were to host a vaguely Morganesque (but not nearly as graphic) fic?>>
Not at all..., just depends if they catch you or not..., but if you do everything properly, ya know give ratings of the links and s**t like that, I personally don't see the problem. I know I have some graphic links on my page.., but in order to see it, you'd have to be physically looking for it, which means when you click it, it's ok for you to see, because you sought it out..., You know how guidelines go.
Nicodemus, have a happy birthday, or suffer!!
Jackal - [Jackal1127@hotmail.com]
Ga, Usa
Friday, December 4, 1998 10:33:40 AM
IP: spider-tr072.proxy.aol.com

Imagine this,
A person in a dark room. The only light; a computer moniter's blue flickering light- on the white wall. A guy is sitting in front of the computer, fairly close to the moniter. He looks tired. He sniffles his nose several times then a big wet hacking cough emits from his sore red throat.
This is me.
I feel like sh*t.
This is why I've missed out on most of what's going on here recently.
Anyway, *COUGH* *COUGH* *sniffle* *sniffle* If you click on my name there is a CR pic I found that I wanna use but I can't because I can't find it in the "Image" drop down bar when you create comments. Check it out anyway. If anyone can help me with this, tell me. There should be an Umbriel name in the Image menu, but there isnt, why???

Deuce--> Are you mocking me??? (Don't forget band at lunch!)

Robby--> You have WAY too much time on your hands!

Gotta go,
Dan - [thenetferret@yahoo.com]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 4, 1998 10:19:36 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Should be "that OR confuse... you"; and "decent THING". Sorry.
Deuce
Friday, December 4, 1998 10:16:05 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

COYOTE re: LONELY HEARTS> Well, I certainly qualify. Do you get kicked out if you find a significant other? (partly joking)

Now it's Val Kilmer as God? Interessant... I heard Patrick Stewart is being a/the Pharoah.

CHRISTMAS CYBER-GIFTS> There's a website called www.virtualpresents.com, they give little greeting-card type things via e-mail. I've got something for y'all, though. I'll post it sometime just before the Solstice. It's a little 100K DOS program, guaranteed to build your Christmas spirit. That, of confuse the hell out of ya. (Did that to me; I'm still trying to figure out the "punch line").

SJ> "The guy who killed Amadeus"? That (Amadeus) was an awesome movie. Making us watch it was the only decent this my jr. high band teacher ever did.

I'm actually going to see "Insurrection" the day it comes out: I've got no school!

DOUG re: BASTARD LAWYERS> I agree whole-heartedly with you, man. Phil Farrand was forced to cease publication of his Nitpicker's Guides due to a similar letter from Paramount. Grrr....

CHRISTINE> I wonder if I could send "Betrayal" to you; very short, and it's one of my very first published fics. I'll get it out after school.

That should be all for now. Stay tuned for a post from Dan, Mr. I've-Got-A-Cold-But-I'm-Going-To-School-Anyway!
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions (hope no one's a Tampa Bay fan tonight), Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 4, 1998 10:14:57 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Happy Birthday Nicodemus!

The Crucifixion: All the picture I've seen and all the stories I've heard of it put the event in early evening. That means night. So yeah, Brooklyn could have seen it.

Censorship: The last of the four sites I earlier posted gives a good timeline of what Fox's lawyers did, the fans' response to it, and several reactions from people on the net. I agree with Wilek and Robby's earlier-posted comments, I too am worried about getting sued. But I also realize I'm probably just being paranoid. It may not happen, and probably won't. That's what Kitainia thinks, anyhow. Thanks to everyone for their comments so far on this, I'll give everyone here the same advice I gave in the other CR. If your site lacks the appropriate disclaimers for Gargoyles and other copyrighted material, put them there NOW! It may not be enough to stop lawyers from suing you, but it's at least a good first line of defense if nothing else.

Wilek: Got your corrected address, sent the message again. If it doesn't get through this time, I'll just post it all in here. Hope it gets through of course.

Later.
Doug
Friday, December 4, 1998 08:43:51 AM
IP: hil-c45-050-vty34.as.wcom.net

Well, it's my birthday again! Today I'm 22 (my first palindromic birthday in 11 years). I haven't been showing myself much around here lately, so most of you may not care, but I wanted to say that anyway.

See ya!
Nicodemus
Friday, December 4, 1998 03:57:07 AM
IP: 209-63-247-175.smf.jps.net

Avalon Mists > submissions are coming along great, thanks to all who've sent them! The deadline is Wednesday the 9th. We're still looking specifically for: Fanfiction Debut (any first-time writers out there, any brave souls? <g>), rules for RPG or other sorts of games, and pics, pics, pics! ; ) E-mail them to me at vecna@eskimo.com

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 03:36:48 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Coyote> Yes, that's better. You see the problem with 'Let's make some replies' is that one has to read the whole of the RP to be able to read this. (Especially since you use the asterisks for other purposes within your RP and they are extremely distracting)

There are some of us (well there's one at least - me) who practically hate the RP and don't have the time or desire to read it. That means that at first glance I have to be able to know when the RP ends, so that I can skip the whole of it and start reading from there on (Nowadays that means skipping the 2/3rds of this board). Otherwise I will pretty much be forced to leave here.

Anyway that's one of the reasons the rules were made, so that the people who hate the RP can skip it.

A Call to Arms> I hope to have the review, today.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, December 4, 1998 02:31:48 AM
IP: pc-23.di.uoa.gr

**RP**
The TV switches on to reveall that Fleur and Jaden are still at the Park. A breeze drifts past, and Fleur closes her eyes.
"Jaden, please tell me you heard that voice too." she says quietly without opening her eyes.
"Yep, that's Orion's whispering wind spell. He said the borgified Godzilla's are attacking the River Walk."
Fleur opens her eyes, grins, and pulls out her laser cannon.
"I was hoping for a chance to use this."
**END RP**

*sniff*
This is the last time I'll be posting from here for a while. *ignores cheers from the CR* Contract's finished, job's over. But don't think you've gotten rid of me that easily! I will still get here as often as possible, by any means possible. I WILL NOT VANISH!!! (Stop groaning, it's very rude. :))

Wilek> Yep, hotmail accepts attachments, and from what I can gather from Doug and Coyote, I can't wait!

Deuce> <they're already there> Maybe it's your aftershave? (sorry, that's a line from an ad I just _had_ to quote. >:))

DumlaoX> Thanks. My stereo goes in tomorrow!!! YES!!! Actually, there's some rubber thingie missing on the driver's side window - it rattles anyway. <g> what can I say? The car has character!

Mandi> Thanks.

Jackal> Do not talk to me about cops! I am a P-plater. In cop language, that stands for 'Pull me over for no reason whatsoever.'

TTFN!

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 01:56:59 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

I apologize: In my last post, "Everyone runs over to the Scimitar" was supposed to be "Everyone runs over to the Seraphim". Sorry for any confusion. And I know there aren't supposed to be RP-only posts, but this is a pretty important correction. Thanks for understanding. <:)
Wilek Nereus
Friday, December 4, 1998 01:48:42 AM
IP: tnt-2-20-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hadn't realized it had passed into Friday already... But it means I can now do this...

33 OR 34 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!

206 DAYS UNTIL THE GATHERING 99!

392 DAYS UNTIL THE NEW MILLENIUM!

1 MORE COUNTDOWN BEFORE YOU PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THE HECK I DO IN MY FREETIME THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE THIS STUFF CALCULATED...

72 OR SO SECONDS BEFORE I POST THIS!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 01:40:00 AM
IP: spider-to082.proxy.aol.com

Durid- Blood of Ten Chiefs... If your trying to collect the novels, you can't, they never printed past volume five. If you're trying to get the comics, well... They're mostly independant stories anyhow, missing one or two doesn't hurt too much.

Heather- For the last several weeks I have been cycling through the image list, starting with Ajax, and going all the way to Xanatos here. I only skipped the DumlaoX icon, because that is his. You never put a claim on Una, (And you had several weeks to do so) so I didn't know. But you don't have to worry anyhow, I've been cycling to figure out which ones I like, and to add some variety by showing pics that don't go up often. The easiest way was just to cycle through. So I'm sorry if I used a picture that you have claimed as yours, it won't happen again, and it won't happen to anyone else, because the timing is really spiffy here... I have now posted every image on the list! Save DumlaoX's... I'll figure out what I'm going to use from now on next time...

Coyote- Yeah, my best work comes forth really late at night too. Thats why I stay up...
And I believe I said it was a rumor that Patrick Stewart would be voicing God, I didn't know for sure... Ah well, still gonna be a cool movie. (Its kinda fun to see some studios finally compete on equal ground with Disney!)

SJ-I was LOL at your RP... Good stuff...

Doug- Man, I hate it when stuff like this starts up, because nothing good EVER comes from it... When its censorship its bad enough, but the idea of having all this taken away because its a TRIBUTE, (with disclaimers to boot!) sickens me...

Its at times like this, even wise words like "Hakuna Matata" fail...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 4, 1998 12:31:36 AM
IP: spider-to034.proxy.aol.com

**RP**
[Continued from last time. Zale's stolen TIE Seraphim is firing upon the team's landing craft. Miriam: "Whoever's piloting, drop in behind the enemy craft and open fire with ion cannons only! My organization wants that fighter captured intact and its pilot taken alive!" The craft slows, letting the Seraphim overshoot it. The craft's hidden ion cannon deploys and disables the enemy fighter. The landing craft uses its tractor beam to guide the now-crippled fighter to a soft landing.]
**PAUSE RP**

Doug> Actually...I haven't gotten your e-mail. Perhaps you typed it wrong? Or maybe it's my mail server being weird; it does that sometimes. **SPOILERS** Eh...how exactly was Owen out of character? Writing for him was pretty much like writing for Miriam, or so I thought...I'd appreciate it if you'd tell me my mistakes so I can fix them. Thanks. (If you were referring to the joke I had him do, it was inspired by the question: What if Puck lost control? You know keeping up that kind of facade can't be easy, even if it's enforced.) **END SPOILERS** And about keeping my site secret, that's only temporary, pending a bit more feedback. Much more feedback as positive as yours and Coyote's and it won't be secret for long...It was mostly that second story and my legal disclaimer I was worried about anyhow. As I said in the latter, I'm really really paranoid about getting sued. :) Speaking of which...Hm, law firms are cracking down on fan sites?! I'm genuinely scared...even more so since my site officially puts me on the chopping block! Wait-a-minute... regarding your fic, if I'm not too much mistaken, the Crucifixion took place during the day...

Kitainia> <<who we haven't seen on campus since we bumped them off in the RP (interesting!).>> Isn't there a horror movie about things written by a certain writer coming true...? <<If I remember correctly, there's a legend that he was cursed with immortality for stabbing Jesus. The legend probably isn't true.>> Heh...has Doug showed you my character profiles? I didn't put anything in them that I'm really interested in keeping secret...<<a huge war going on in the Seven Hells>> You've got me curious.

Deuce> **SPOILERS** Pinky, the Brain, and Demona actually. **END SPOILERS**

Robby> When you vent, vent with style. You did so marvelously. :)

Not putting up adult links> Christine's gonna be ticked. :) BTW, would GeoCities jump down my throat and eat me alive from the inside out if I were to host a vaguely Morganesque (but not nearly as graphic) fic? I've no plans to that effect just now, but I'd like to leave my options open.

**RESUME RP**
[By now, all three craft--counting SJ and Frankie's fighter--have landed. Everyone runs over to the Scimitar, forces open the cockpit, and drags the pilot out. Wilek: "Do we have any of those magnetic jammer thingies that keep Guod from transporting people away?" A portal opens, and a jammer is thrown through by one of the Black Ravens. W: "Thanks." He puts the jammer on the pilot. Jake: "Alright dirtbag, we wanna know a few things. Like where's Zale's base?" Anoth: "Yes, and how is he acquiring vehicles and equipment from an organization that no one is supposed to know exists?" The pilot says nothing. W: "OK, we'll have to do it the hard way. Anoth?" The Halfling begins probing the pilot's mind, inducing generous amounts of pain and fear in the process in order to reduce resistance. To be continued.]
**END RP**
Wilek Nereus
Friday, December 4, 1998 12:23:25 AM
IP: tnt-2-20-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Just finished up some research. The guys who sent that last letter also work for Fox. Under Fox's orders, they have forced the takedown of several X-Files, Simpsons, and King of the Hill websites. This situation is getting serious. For more info on the law firm in question's activities, one may look at the following websites:

http://xenafan.com/x-files/gillian/

http://www-eleve.eerie.fr/~alquier/Xfiles/cp_legal.html

http://www.eden.com/~maverick/simpsons.htm

http://www.cyberramp.net/~noel/rside/boom/fox.html

I really hope Gargoyles isn't next in line. It would be a real shame for Disney to force us to take down the only way we currently have of keeping one of the best shows they've ever produced alive. Especially since they've ignored, marginalized, and dumbed down the show practically since the beginning. I'll post these links in the other CR, too, get them involved in this. This is a serious worry. Especially with this law Clin-Ton passed last year:

December 17, 1997: President Clinton signs into law a bill that extends criminal punishment to those who willfully violate the copyrights of others, even when they do not profit from the violation. First offenders could face up to three years in prison and $250,000 in fines. However, the bill contains a protection for accidental copyright infringement: the mere fact that something was copied is not sufficient to prove that the copyright was willfully violated. The bill was sponsored by Rep. Robert W. Goodlatte (R-Va.). The march toward the corporatization of the Internet continues ...

Comments on this, anyone? I'm really worried by it myself. From what I hear, even the ACLU is holding up the corporations' side of things. Guess that means if it happens to GFW, Station 8, or anyone else's site, it's up to us to handle the problem. I hope that if it does happen, we won't give up our right to enjoy the fandom and our personal tributes to Gargoyles like all these people are their tributes to Fox and Warner's shows. We can only hope and pray our various disclaimers are well within the letter of the law.

Sorry for the triple post, I just think this is a VERY important concern. Thank you for any thoughts you give on it. Later.
Doug Elder
Thursday, December 3, 1998 11:52:14 PM
IP: hil-c45-006-vty215.as.wcom.net

Intend, not attend. Sorry.
Doug
Thursday, December 3, 1998 11:09:46 PM
IP: hil-c45-006-vty215.as.wcom.net

Brooklyn at the Crucifixion: I did that scene in "Through the Ages." Hope it came out just right, I think it did. And so did Shap, the most tolerant and open-minded Christian I know. Wonder if anyone else who's read the story shares his opinion.

SJ: Thanks for taking care of Pinky. I was getting worried. I will definitely add Maniacal Laughter to my Seavrius special list as some kind of Intellect attack. You want to read about really crazy Fundamentalist Extreme people, check out the last post of Kitainia's.

BTW, your lawyer death reminded me of something very serious I came across recently while Netsurfing. I know I'm not supposed to put links of this nature in here, I apologize. I just found this document on an erotic fanfiction site I visit on occasion, and the site administrator had been forced to take a whole lot of Warner Bros. character-featuring stories down because of it. This is the first instance I've seen of this nature, I am understandably very worried by it. So I linked the document to my name, so everyone in here will know the reasons for my concern. I hope Disney doesn't decide to do what Warner did to the fanfics we're writing, but it very concievably could. Sigh, stupid corporations controlling our modern myths. If it does happen, I don't attend to give up. I will gather my fellow willing fans, we'll hire the best lawyers, and we will fight to keep up our rights to free speech. We give disclaimers, yes, but so did the people who wrote the stories that had to be taken down. So this is worrisome in the extreme. I of course would like to know everyone's thoughts on this. You all as worried as I am? Or can you alleviate my concerns? Any comments will be appreciated, thank you. And I will probably never post an adult site link here again, I think in this case the circumstances excuse the violation of the CR law. Hope I'm right.

Bye for now.
Doug
Thursday, December 3, 1998 11:03:15 PM
IP: hil-c45-006-vty215.as.wcom.net

This one's for Doug.

**RP ALERT**
Sevarius Jr. and Frankie are sharing a tense moment in the Scimitar as the Seraphim are threatening to blow the landing craft into oblivion.
Abruptly, SJ hears some strange noises coming from underneath his seat. He looks and sees....Pinky, driven crazy by the Dragon Virus. The little mouse is frothing at the mouth, ant twitching on the floor.
"Ah, poor little guy. C'mere, little fellow." SJ picks up Pinky. The small mouse is shuddering. Moved by compassion, SJ injects him with the antidote to the Dragon virus.
"There. I've done my good deed for the day."
**Pause RP**

Yeah, I could have killed Pinky, but I'm just not in a murderous mood.

My story has still not appeared on the archive. I guess I'll have to repost it. Someone, however, did give it a high rating. I don't know who did it, but I thank you! :)

Movie alert!: Psycho opens tomorrow, and Star Trek next week. Now, Psycho I'm a little wary off. I've heard it's a scene-for-scene remake. Well then, if there's nothing new about the film, WHY'D YOU REMAKE IT? Hollyweird doesn't have any originality left.
As for Star Trek, it looks pretty good. Maybe not as good as the Borg, but "the guy who killed Amadeus" makes a cool looking alien with really bad skin.

Prince of Egypt: I'm looking forward to the film. I think the animation looks pretty good, they have a great voice cast, and the story of Moses is rather compelling, no matter what religion you believe (or don't believe) in. (As for Dobson and Graham, I don't think they're near as wacky as some of their brethren). Plus, I think Dreamworks is a promising studio. Hmm, I wonder if they're interested in a show about Gargoyles? I mean, it's not as if Eisner's doing anything with them...

AOHell: I won't even begin to tell you my horror stories. People always tell me it's the best, but I ALWAYS got screwed over by them.

Druid: I'm sorry people keep mispelling your name. ;)

Timedancer: Brook viewing the Crucifixion? Personally, I don't think that'd be a good idea. That's the centerpoint for a whole religion with million of followers, so it'd have to be handled just right...personally, I think it'd be too difficult to pull off, and a lot of people might get upset if the story turned out wrong. I mean, what would Brooklyn do? Try to stop it? That'd be denying the destiny Jesus chose.

Doug: Your Overpower stats are good, but I think you left off "Maniacal Laughter" as a special for my dad. It strikes terror in the hearts of do-gooders!

Jackal: I agree, some times the cops are just humongous A-holes. They've got the gun, they've got the badge, they think they're God. Just our luck, we always run into the bad ones, don't we?....you know, when it's 2 o'clock in the morning, and you've had a few....and the pig pulls you over...I'm sorry was I reminiscing out loud?

**RESUME RP***
Abruptly, the CR Lawyer appears in the cockpit of the Scimitar.
"What are you doing here?" SJ asks.
"Well, I heard you weren't in a murdering mood, so I thought now would be a good time for me to visit. Are you aware that 'Pinky' is a trademark of Warner Brothers Studios? And that they have not authorized you to use the character or its likeness?"
Abruptly, Pinky leaps up from SJ's lap, and rips the Lawyer's throat out. Jets of blood spurt out of the wound, covering the Scimitar's instruments. The Lawyer falls to the floor, spasms once, then goes still. Pinky sits a top his corpse, chewing calmly on his trachea.
SJ turns to Frankie. "Gee, I guess the antidote hasn't kicked in just yet."

***END RP***

[C'mon, you didn't really believe me when I said I wasn't gonna kill anyone did you? ;) ]
Sevarius Jr.
Thursday, December 3, 1998 10:46:21 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

**RP ALERT** The screen comes back on. Jammer and those with him have developed a plan. Tricia sends psychic emanations of a rather hateful nature into the minds of the two people inside the cab. They resist slowly at first, but after a few minutes of the treatment finally give in. Dalia pulls over to the side of the road, and she and MacCarpenter immediately begin yelling and screaming at each other about something. While Tricia keeps them distracted, Jammer and Keith jump down off the trailer, open the cab doors, and cough "ahem!" The two bad guys stop their arguing and look at them. "You stole my truck," Jammer says to them. "Big mistake." He draws a Colt .45 and shoots them both. Jammer then nods at Keith and they throw the bodies out of the truck and into a portal to the Elemental Plane of Fire Shap hastily creates. They all then climb into the truck and start heading back down the highway towards Fiesta Texas, hoping to meet up with Doug.

Meanwhile, galloping across town on their equar horses (magical steeds featured in Doug's fic "After the Flood"), the Ravens, bikers, etc. are joined by Coyote and Ravyn in the tank. Kitainia waves to them and then turns to face the CR. **RP PAUSE**

Longinus: If I remember correctly, there's a legend that he was cursed with immortality for stabbing Jesus. The legend probably isn't true. Longinus was one of the main villains on a Fox series called "Roar" that happened last year, too. Wonder if anyone remembers that show. Too bad it isn't on any more, there were a lot of cool characters (especially Catlin!).

Prince of Egypt: Okay, it's Dreamworks, not Disney. Greg says it's good, he saw the movie while working for Dreamworks. Anything that's good enough for the Garg WiseMan I have to see.

Stormy: BPWO is a very good fic. I think I'll read it again now that you've reminded me, when I have time. Thanks a lot.

Durid: Ah, time. That most precious commodity. <insert maniacal laughter> :)

Heather: Finally got around to reading your fics. Nice job. I like the original Animorphs characters, even though I haven't read that novel series much.

Green Baron: OverPower is a collectible card game Doug and I have gotten into recently. Marvel makes it, and it's very easy to play and fun. JEB, Dracandros, and Telraven were designing Gargoyles cards for it, that gave us the idea to make some for the RP. I can't tell you the exact rules for the game off the type of my head. You can probably pick up a starter deck of cards at your local gameshop, it'll explain things to you. Good luck with the characters you make.

BTW, you obviously haven't been keeping up with the RP if you've forgotten what happened to Pastor John. We already took care of him back at UT. His devil-wife was banished back to Hell by our paladin Shap, and then Doug and I shot P.J. and threw him into the Hell-Mouth portal she opened. Then Orion closed the portal. I seriously doubt Pastor John will survive Hell, hope he at least likes it there. :)
Pastor Paul Baker is the FE's new leader. He was first encountered by Shap as a guy who led a far-right-wing Christian group that tried to make Shap's high school a religious school. You know, teaching creationism over evolution, no sex ed, prayer at the beginning of the day, no non-Christian student religous institutions supported, you get the idea. He was talked down of course, and the school stayed normal. Pastor Paul then left Shap's hometown, and wasn't seen by us again until last year. Then he turned up as the leader of a group of travelling Fundamentalist Extreme cultists calling itself the Remnant that became for a time Pastor John's counterparts at the University of Houston. Stephanie was in school there at the time, she had to deal with them. Now she's moved here, and on Halloween they did as well, beginning the usual Fundamentalist Extreme preaching and conversion campaign. They're even more Bible-pounding than Pastor John's crew, who we haven't seen on campus since we bumped them off in the RP (interesting!). Paul never holds back the judegement in his speeches, he also will use logic as well as the usual shouting and rhetoric to talk down his opponents. If a detractor becomes too vocal, Paul has his "sermon bouncer," a big guy named Brother Larry, walk over to the detractor and ask him to go away, as their words fall upon deaf ears. There's also a guy in the troop named Brother Dave who's deeply militant, he's been spreading fliers all over the campus and the Drag extorting all "good Christians" to take up guns and shoot the drag rats, homeless, athiests, Muslims, blacks, Mormons, pagans, and everyone else on campus who's not in with the FE. We've even caught his people putting up flyers at Einstein's Arcade, Paradox, and similar place in the area telling people not to enter the clubs and enjoy themselves or they will go to hell. We took the latter down of course, but these do-do brains are still hanging out in Austin and a lot of people are worried they're here to stay. Needless to say, even the other student Christian organizations on campus (which include Baptist and Mormon Student Ministries, UT Catholics, UT Methodists, Christians on Campus, and VERITAS), wish they'd pack up and go somewhere else. We continue to tell them so, but of course they don't listen.

So we bring them into the RP, hoping the same trick that worked on Pastor John's bunch works on them. Brothers Ken and Roy have been brought back from where you sent them even more corrupt and hateful, they've joined the Remnant also. Big Tommy was in it, too, but he had his neck broken by Stone Cold Steve Austin during Jim's party, so he's out. Basically, Asil has convinced Pastor Paul she's an angel and is controlling him and his Remnant through deception and pandering to their insane crusade. They think Thailog has planned to exterminate all sinners on Earth, they were all too happy to help, hopefully we can stop them. Wish us luck, okay?

And, btw, there will be no Pastors George or Ringo. Somebody already sent me an e-mail making that joke. Once Paul and his crowd are completely gone, we'll be done with Fundamentalist Extreme battles. That will take some time, of course. <grin>

Theresa: Thanks for the Christmas decorations, wonder what cyber-gifts I should give everyone in here. Merry Christmas everyone!!

Coyote: A satellite, huh? Interesting. Thanks for the info about your grandfather, I think I heard a story about him back when I was in the Scouts. That was a VERY long time ago, so I can't be sure. If it really was your grandfather, that would be pretty neat. <grin> Thanks for coming to join us, we can have Lathrop conjure up extra ammo for your weapons and tank if you need it. There's a whole layer of the Abyss where they make ammo of all kinds for a huge war going on in the Seven Hells, he can get as much as you need from there and it probably won't be missed. Just ask him. :)

Todd: All this talk of the Crucifixion has gotten me thinking, is Brooklyn ever going to visit it in a canon Timedancer ep? Or is the instance too controversial for that to happen? Just curious. Thanks for any info you give.

That's all for now. Night.
**RP AGAIN** The Ravens and their allies speed on toward the Borg-monsters, who are in the process of demolishing several of the buildings adjoining the River Walk. Godzilla, Mitsuki, Ghidra, MechGodzilla, Mothra, and Rodan are all present, but Asil and the rest of her troops are nowhere to be seen. Hoping Jammer and Jaden can somehow find and catch up with them, our heroes form an attack line and get ready to battle the monsters. Hundreds of panicky people run past them, screaming in pain and fear. The good guys do not let these emotions get to them, they all look firm and determined to their cause. The screen fades out just as they all begin to take aim with their missile weapons. To be continued next time. **END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 10:23:36 PM
IP: hil-c45-006-vty215.as.wcom.net

**RP!!**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote's tank driving down the road again, with Buick at the controls and Ravyn at the seat next to Buick. Somehow they've managed to tie down the immobilized Preston to a fender of the tank like a deer.**

Hey, gang. We're running to catch up with Doug's team, so finding out about the sinkholes will have to wait. What I overheard from Preston's mumblings in his unconsciousness had something to do with an "earthquake projector sattelite" with a focusing device traveling with the Circus. We'll try to pry something else out of him soon.

<"There they are! Close in sight!">

Yeah, I see it too. Pull up for a bit, Buick, we need to rally our forces here! And make some replies while we're at it. **END RP 1ST HALF!!**

Wilek: The site looks good, dude. Put it up for real, everybody'll like it, believe me. (Heck, mine is equally as simple.) And as for the stories ... well, I'll send you those privately.

Doug: As soon as we get a chance, we'll pry more out of Preston about that earthquake projector.

Robby: Actually, the main reason why it bugs me is that I get my most creative at around 2AM for some reason ... maybe my fevered brain becomes more fertile on the right side at that time (if I remember right, I wrote most of "Shadows and Memories" after midnight!).
As far as your AOL rant goes ... yes, I do agree, AO-Hell is the proper designation. Used to have an account there (ever see an MSUBando at AOL? That was me), but let it lapse, mainly because my closest AOL host server was a long distance call for me, but also because of your disconnect concerns. I had my computer disconnect while I was receiving a huge e-mail with an entire story for my cybercomic enclosed. Needless to say, the mail got lost, and I think the writer got a little pissed off at me (he hasn't written me since, even though I sent him the new addy.). So I don't like AOL.

Kitainia: Hmm ... I used to deal with finals stress by consuming mass quantities of Pepsi and Twix bars ... part of the reason why I'm overweight, I think ...
Interesting you should mention Girl Scouts ... I think I'm one of the few people who can claim that his grandfather was a Girl Scout. (Actually he was a bus driver and was sworn in after getting a troop through a blizzard.)

Aris: Is this better? I thought it was clear my RP was ending when I kept saying "let's make some replies," but if this is clearer, I'll stick with it.

Deuce: That's cool. Already got a couple folks in the other room ... but I just don't remember right now who they are (although I recall at least one of them was female, so it's not an all-boy's-club.).

Cyrway: Well, the first team is kind of a command team ... so I tried my best to get mostly clan leaders on that team (not to say that I left the other teams leader-less; there's leaders spread out among all the teams.). If you take a close look at the personnel on the teams, you can probably figure out their parts in the battle (only three of them are just plain "invasion teams;" the rest do have specialized functions.).
As far as Eddie and the Devastator goes ... if she asks Rosanna *reeeeeeally* nice, she may be allowed to take one home with her when the fight's over.

Stormy: She's more normal than I am. Trust me on this one.

Jackal: Hmmm ... you would love the town where my workplace is in; they believe in police overkill, I think (see below).

Deuce again: Amen, bro.

Robby again: Not sure it's Patrick Stewart doing God's voice in "Prince of Egypt." I read somewhere that God is being done by Val Kilmer, as well (they originally tried to do a genderless voice that was compiled from 100 male and female voices but wound up sounding like the HAL 9000 from "2001.").

RL interfering: Pardon me if I seem a bit on edge, but during my lunch break today (in a Wendy's near my workplace) I became kind of a half-assed witness to a hit-and-run (I had my back to the window when it happened; I only found out something happened when a guy near me said "CALL THE COPS! SOMEBODY GOT HIT!"). When I turned around, there was a pedestrian in the middle of the street (a turn lane), flat on his front and not moving. At all. And from the scuttlebutt I heard around the restaurant, some of the folks thought he was hit by a gravel truck (in this case, it would be a double-trailered 18-wheeler.).
Remember what I was saying about police overkill? The local 911 dispatch sent three black-and-whites and a detective. Not to mention two ambulances (for one guy), a fire truck, and that isn't even mentioning the three volunteer firefighters that happened to drive by (one of which I think was an off-duty EMT). Anyway, I've been desperately looking for any local news broadcast that would say anything about what happened to him, whether he's dead or alive or what. (FS, if you're lurking, please let me know before 11pm; it was near 23 Mile and Gratiot in Chesterfield Twp.)

Anyway ... another little thing I should let you know ... Skydancer's now doing *me* a favor; she's told me she would help me post fics to the GFW archive (I reestablished an account there). I'll let you folks know when they're available ... although if you, sometime in the next week, check the "recent posts" page and find about 24 G:CM stories all in a clump, I've probably been successful.

**RP!!**

Any ideas?

<"I've got another RPG down here.">

Save it, Ravyn. Anything else?

<"There's the turret.">

Yeah, but we need to pick up more shells. What else?

<"What about the explosive-head arrows and the crossbow, boss?">

Well ... it's a thought. Everybody grab a crossbow and get up on top!

**All the occupants of the tank climb up to the outside of it, brandishing crossbows armed with explosive-tipped arrows. Coyote bends down toward Buick, still behind the controls.**

FULL SPEED AHEAD, DOGGIE!!

**Buick kicks the turbines in, spinning the treads of the tank slightly before speeding toward the Borgified monsters, as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Nervy Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, December 3, 1998 08:52:36 PM
IP: modem55.i-is.com

Starsinger enters the comment room and drops all the Christmas and holiday trimmings. She snaps her fingers and makes Heather appear before her. "Heather, Robby is family. We don't threaten family. He can use any color or picture he wants. Ravyn and I were very cordial about purple and Elisa. And she knows she can use them any time. Now play nice and I'll let you help decorate the comment room." Starsinger snaps her fingers and sends Heather back to Q.

S8 is already decorated people lets get to work. I'm am soo happy I can access the stories again.

Auntie Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 08:46:40 PM
IP: proxy-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net

GREEN BARON - Longinus was a Roman soldier present at the Crucifixion, although I don't recall his exact rank; all that I recall about him was that he had the spear that pierced Jesus on the Cross, and which afterwards shows up in the Grail legend paired up with the Holy Grail itself.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 3, 1998 08:30:44 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-55.primary.net

Yippee!! I've got both finished Vignettes up at the GFW (finally). I can't link directly to the page (thanks to Chris and Thomas' spiffy little CGI program), so just look at the new fic page. The "Coming Soon..." story is actually an ad.

ROBBY> My sympathies re: AOhelL. And Patrick Stewart as God? Hmmm....

GREEN BARON> Actually, Prince of Egypt is rated PG. Not for content. Apparently, DreamWorks (sorry Robby) wanted it to be a family movie, so they rated it "parental guidance" to get parents to go with their kids. A sneaky move I approve of. *grin* As for Dr. Dobson, the organization he heads (Focus on the Family; hit my name to get their page) publishes a large number of magazines, one of which I subscribe to. Good morals, good stories, great reading.

Re: ERIC RUDOLPH> The Feds are chasing him? Lucky guy; he's got another couple months, if not years, of sunlight left. It'll take the Feebies that long to catch the guy.

** leaves to read, of all things, an "X-Files"/"Touched By An Angel" crossover. (Don't laugh, so far it's pretty good). **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, December 3, 1998 08:24:19 PM
IP: ts1395.connect.ab.ca

**Green Baron appears, but no RP right now. He's just been drained from an Accounting Final, and the Catholic schoolgirl scouts are getting ready for their midterms, but in their break, they will plan to get Pinochet out of England and back into Chile, though by then, they may have to go to Spain first.**

Deuce> I have heard many good things about Prince of Egypt, though I think it would be better to air it on Passover, but the sooner it's out, the better. I read a very conservative weekly newspaper called Human Events and it rates movies based on Entertainment and Moral Quality, and Prince of Egypt received top marks for both. ANTZ received good on moral quality and four stars for entertainment, too, which is a good sign for Dreamworks. At this rate, they could try to take the family market from Disney:) I haven't heard Dr. Dobson's reviews, though he seems like a good guy and not one of those hot heads, like Falwell or Swaggart. Billy Graham is a definite good guy and an assett to religious conservatives who want a good spokesman. As for religious differences, I doubt it would have a G rating if it was exactly as done in the Bible. Overall, the Bible if made into a movie would be rated R :)

Doug> I agree. Moral messages need to appear in a way that will rub-off on the kids instead of shouting at them. I imagine Prince of Egyp takes the former route. Too bad, Charleton Heston isn't in the movie. That would be perfect, IMO.

Kyrvyn> I have a site that you might like. Click on my name to get to it.

Robby> I guess you know one pic not to use in the future:)

Jackal> Givecredit where credit is due. I believe the Feds are trying to capture Eric Rudolph, not the local police. They also entered the area very arrogantly and originally told the locals that they were in charge and didn't need the help of a bunch of "rednecks". Now, they are trying to cooperate with the people, but I doubt they will catch Rudolph too easily. A crazy with survival skills is difficult to catch, in general.

As for shooting the Pope, I didn't Atlanta was that anti-Catholic :(

Ravyn> I have to agree with you about government, though a certain hero from your state said, "The Government, that governs least, governs best". May Barry Goldwater rest in peace.

Todd> Who was Longinus. Was he the Centurion at the Crucifixion?

Doug> How do you make those stats. I'd like a few for my characters. BTW, I thought Pastor John was teh leader of the FE.

**Green Baron leaves afterwards**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Thursday, December 3, 1998 08:01:36 PM
IP: 141.164.133.116

snaps his fingers
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:48:30 PM
IP: 205-162-114.ipt.aol.com

Hello.
I liked the latest fan-fic and I HOPE the next one is a romantic one ! And Robby......** eyes glow red **

Robby : Don't use my comment room pic ! Or I'll show you that your back looks like. And I'm not talking about looking in the mirror !

** sighs ** I'm okay now.
So you guys like my fan-fics ? Has anyone read "The Ally" ? And the under-line lines that Q said in "The Continuum" is actually sound-clips . I can't help it.

** flash comes out from nowhere and Q is looking at Heather **
" Why are you here talking to these......mortals ? The Animorphs and Quinn need your help." Heather sighs . " I like telling my opinions , Q. Unlike some alien-beings I know."

** Q looks at Heather and fingers his fingers and takes him and Heather back into their universe **

< Together we fight.>
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:47:28 PM
IP: 205-162-114.ipt.aol.com

Robby: Don't I know it. I have kept what I have been able to get, and I still read them occasionally. I just keep on getting disappointed at all the loose plot threads I never compleate. The Blood of 10 Chiefs series is a prime example!

Kitainia: Great! Now to found the time to actually read it...... New job and just setteling into the routine...

Aris: Why does it seem that everyone's secudle is so hectic lately? That almost reflects my own!

Deuce: Pinky and the brain Garg fanfic. It has been done, I am particluarly remided of a couple of stories with them and Lexington from "Future Tense". Pettry funny!

Cyrway: Oh boy, another bookmark to go back to later. Ah well, I will get to them this weekend.

And a final note before I go. I read a Fanfiction awhile ago, but I can't rember the author or title. It was about Elisa coming under investigation, and being spied upon by the FBI. But it was more than that, it was part of an Illumanti plot code-named VERTIGO. Only read the first one. Anyone know the title and/or author? P.S. Matt Bluestone was helping in this plot, though being doubhtful if he was doing the right thing.
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:34:02 PM
IP: 209.180.10.122

Deuce- I don't choose to use AOL, buts its the only online service my computer will run. I tried several others first, I knew then of AOL's reputation, and wanted to avoid using it, but the blasted thing has a built in function that ONLY runs AOL...

Also, Prince of Egypt is NOT Disney. Its Spielberg, so it gets points there, and an all star cast, including Val Kilmer, Raplph Pheinnes, Sandra Bullock, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jeff Goldblum, Martin Short, Steve Martin, and if rumors are true, Patrick Stewart as the voice of God. I plan to see it, and again, it is NOT Disney, in much the same manner Anastasia was NOT Disney, though people keep making that mistake.

Cyrway- I post daily how many days are left until Timedancer. Right now we're between 34 and 35, depending on if the premiere is actually put up Thursday, January 7, or a couple of hours the night before.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:25:56 PM
IP: spider-we064.proxy.aol.com

Hi everybody. I put up a post two weeks ago, and I wasn't able to check back on anything. but, I am still having the same old problem. None of the stories that I try to read come up. They are always, a "404 File not Found on this server", or something like that. I even tried getting the story on another internet, not AOL, and the problem still occured. It was a friends internet service, and I got zilch still. Are you techno know how people sure that the connection problem is coming from my computer? Or is it the internet in general? I'ld really like to know, ' cause I kind of have hopes to be able to write the stories for next season, and if I can't solve the problem now I'm gonna have some beg problems.
Anyway, that's all for now. Thanks.
Shauntell d - [sgargpyle9]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:25:51 PM
IP: spider-ti072.proxy.aol.com

**RP ALERT!** The screen comes back on. Jammer is still clinging to the side of the Onslaught's cab. He ducks back just as a bullet and a spray of shotgun pellets from inside whiz by. "It's Dalia and MacCarpenter!" he yells to Tricia and Keith. "Asil has been recruiting more of our old foes," Keith muses. "What do we do about them?" They climb on top of the trailer and begin discussing ideas with Shap, Gubio, and Mist, who come up through the top hatch. The enemy-controlled truck drives on.

Meanwhile, at the gates of Fiesta Texas, Doug and Kitainia have gotten back together with Boris, Elena, Orion, Lathrop, Shauna, the bikers, Janice, Methos, Stephanie, and the McLeods. "Get any more of them?" Doug asks the troops. They all say they've taken out a lot of clones, and Boris mentions that he also axed his first landlord (who was a crook about maintenance and rent). Lathrop reports that he saw the rest of Asil's army (lots more Fundamentalist Extreme, gangbangers, and Borg) getting back together and leaving the park, heading into town. "Maybe Thailog called off the attack on us," he speculates. Kitainia shakes her head to show she disagrees. "Asil acts on her own initiave, if she could take us out, she would. She must have some kind of plan." "Well, we'll find out what it is later," Doug says. "For now, where's the truck?" The Ravens and their allies begin searching the park's humongous parking lot for it. While doing so, Doug turns to face the CR. **RP PAUSE**

DumlaoX: Great essay, man. You deserved the A immensly. I wonder if your teacher ever saw any Gargoyles eps.

Robby: Yeah, he probably was. Sorry, I got confused when I heard an unfamiliar name.

Deuce: I want to see "Prince of Egypt," Disney's cartoon flicks are usually very good. Hope they don't write religion into it too much, though. Preaching often ruins a very good story, IMHO. I totally agree with the last paragraph of your rant.

Netscape 4.5: Yes, it was a good decision to get this. I like the Netscape Composer best, now I can write .htm docs and flawlessly copy .txt files into them (no gibberish)! Yeah!!

Cyrway: Luc doesn't like Graeme? Uh oh, if they get into a tiff, there will be trouble. Oh well, Graeme will probably have a couple of powerful love interests on his side in that fight, so I'm not worried about who will win it. :)

SJ: Don't forget about Pinky the escaped lab rat. He has the bad Dragon Virus and could infect people. You better take him out or distribute your vaccine before he does. Also, if you get the chance, can you and the Dark Star techs try to find a way to reverse and/or vaccinate people against Borg assimilation? That could be useful when we meet up with Guod and his army of hench-converts again.

Wilek: Got your profiles, sent you an e-mail. Did you get it? I also saw your "secret" site and have been reading your fics. *SPOILERS!* Good job on the second one, I liked the plot and character development for Pinky and the Brain. Owen was majorly out of character, but that can be excused. I also read what you have of the third. You got a good villain in that one. Kitainia and I are also in it, I noticed. :) This definitely means you'll be getting more comments from me on how our characters are portrayed. <grin> *SPOILERS END* Honestly, man, you have little to be worried about in terms of page content. You're a good writer, Kitainia and I both think so. My warning to you is that if you keep your page's location and stories secret, no one will ever tell you that except your close friends and family (who I assume you show the fics to) and those like me whom you give the site's URL. Trust me, you don't want your work only read and praised or criticized by a select few. If that happens, the lack of confidence you have now could stay around for a long time. If you want to be read, you have to advertise. That's one of the rules of making any product, stories included. I understand that you're nervous, but sometimes you just have to take a chance. So, be not afraid, my friend. Show us your page, your fics, and let everyone who will enjoy them. :)

Ravyn: That won't be necessary. See below for the reason.

Jackal: I really hate that they haven't caught Rudolph yet either. Oh well, there are good cops and bad cops. Those after him are obviously the latter kind.

Shameless Plug: Due to the great program known as Netscape Composer 4.5, I was able to translate my three latest fanfics into .htm format. "Masterpiece," "Clash of the New Olympians," and "Through the Ages" are now up at The GFW archive. Click my name to go there, read them if you want, and (hopefully) enjoy. This has been a Shameless Plug.

Today's bad guy OverPower Card: Pastor Paul (leader of the evil Fundamentalist Extreme).
Stats: Energy 4, Fighting 6, Strength 5, Intellect 6
Specials: Preach* (Level 7 Energy, Strength, or Intellect attack), Bible Pound (Level 4 Fighting attack, may be combined with a power card or another special), Clone Followers* (Level 8 Energy, Strength, Fighting, or Intellect attack), Brother Larry (the rally bouncer's take-down act as a Level 6 Fighting or Strength attack), Christian Coalition Connections (remove 1 permanent record hit), Provoke (target must attack him sometime in battle with -2 penalty), Turn the Other Cheek (avoid one attack), Flee in Disgrace (remove Pastor Paul from battle this turn, deduct 2 permanent record points).

That's all for now. Later.
**RP AGAIN** The heroes search the whole parking lot, and begin to get worried when they don't find the truck. Lathrop sends up a wizard eye and spots the Borgified Godzilla and his fellow monsters stomping towards the River Walk. "I've found the enemy," he says. "Good," Doug nods. "Let's get after them before they can harm anybody else." "Wait," says Kitainia. "Jaden, Fleur, Ravyn, Coyote, and his three friends are still in the park somewhere. Shouldn't we wait for them to catch up?" "No time," Doug sighs. "Orion, send them a message through your whispering wind spell so they know what's up. Lathrop, we're going to need some transportation to chase those bad guys down." The wizard nods and conjures up a group of equar horses for them all. The Ravens, the bikers, and the three Highlander characters mount up and begin riding towards the River Walk. The screen then goes blank. To be continued next time. **END RP AND POST**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:22:29 PM
IP: hil-c45-001-vty232.as.wcom.net

JACKAL> I know how you feel, man. Click my name for a rather nasty rant which I think you can totally sympathize with.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, December 3, 1998 06:40:52 PM
IP: ppp0083.connect.ab.ca

May I ramble about something totally unrelated to anything? Good, cause I am anyway...., I...., really...., do..., hate....., ignorantly stupid, retarded, patheitc excuses of human beings, that are not worth the flesh they live in, and just waste air to breathe by us desent folks. Number 1- The Police/ If Eric Robert Rudolph would have ran a red light instead of bombing a clinic, they'll be quick to catch him. I know this..., I was chased down like I shot the Pope. Then again, I may have been rewarded if I shot him..., sorry..., didn't mean to offend anyone. Anyway, I deiceded to be totally Anti-Cop..., Son can you say- "F*** the police?"...., I knew that you could..., NOW GET IN THE CORNER FOR CUSSIN!!!
End of senseless rambling for today.
Jackal
Ga, usa
Thursday, December 3, 1998 05:40:06 PM
IP: spider-wn024.proxy.aol.com

Doug: You're welcome...looking forward to your comments.

Cyrway: Thanx for the shameless plug...keep doing that and maybe Wagner won't feel driven to possess you (no guarantees on that!)
Stormy
Thursday, December 3, 1998 04:43:50 PM
IP: dbwref033.lib.uwo.ca

No RP for me right now, guys. I'm running a little late and have to make this quick. Sorry! :)

Doug> Can you please send me a copy of your latest story? Sorry if you've already tried to, but I haven't gotten it. Thanks! :)

JEB> Well, I don't know when exactly it was in Disney Adventures because I cut the article out of the magazine. (Sorry!) But I do know that it was from one about the X-Files, and they had a kind of follow-up thing with real X-File-type experiences, and this UFO thing was in there. They even have a computer generated model of what they think the ship looked like. (it's pretty creepy.) The actual UFO sighting happened on March 13, 1997. Hope that helps! :)

God bless and be good to each other! Catch y'all later! :)
Ravyn Maza
Thursday, December 3, 1998 04:42:12 PM
IP: svm-ts4-1.c2i2.com

Stormy> Normal? Don't know the meaning of the word...remember, they don't hire normal ppl at Graphic Color...

Anywhose, to everyone else, if you haven't already, I suggest you read Black Wings...it is just so touching...bleak...masterfully writen...Brava, Stormy! I've only cried for two fics: Dylan's Immortal Beloved and Black Wings....it's accurate, too, and makes ppl think about the Holocaust and how horrible it really was...we had to do a unit of the Holocaust in eighth grade, including a trip to a Holocaust memorial in Portland at the time. A survivor from Austwitz (sp?) talked to the student of the school.

Oh, yeah, Wagner hasn't tried to possess me yet...of course, there was the almost uncontrollable urge to take my Bug to work today...
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 03:24:45 PM
IP: gcolor.com

Stormy: I saw it. Will read and comment on your stories when I have time. Thank you.
Doug
Thursday, December 3, 1998 01:52:15 PM
IP: fac-b-a8.lib.utexas.edu

Doug: I don't know if you saw the link to my fic archive on the other CR, so here it is again...this is NOT the one on Chris' site, it's more extensive...the story I've got most comments on is BLACK WINGS PASSED OVER....

Cyrway: Normal? You? *lol* (What's "normal?")

Wags wants to know what you mean by "Try." (Apparently he thinks he's pretty successful already at taking over my mind...) ROTFL--ok, so which one has to be Pinky?

*Wagner winces at the phrase "end of WWII", hops in his Mercedes staff car and speeds out*
Stormy - [mpletsch@julian.uwo.ca]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 12:36:09 PM
IP: dynixpc4.huron.uwo.ca

Okay, let's go normal today...normal Bronx...

Heh...I kept on having this reoccuring nightmare...Caligo and Wagner in a Pinky and the Brain scenario...

Wagner: *cacking open a Heiniken* Hey, Caligo, what should we do tonight?
Caligo: Same thing we do every night, mei amico...attempt to take control of Stormy's and Cyrway's minds...
*cue music.*

Okay, back to somewhat reality...or as reality would allow...

What was I going to say? I hate that!

Oh...HOW MANY MORE DAYS TILL TIMEDANCER?!

Luc: *storms in.* You traitor!!!
Cyrway: You don't get all huffy like that when I read Spike's work, do you?
Luc: Well...no...
Cyrway: Then why is Timedancer so different?
Luc: Because...*looks around and lowers his voice.* I don't think I like Graeme...
Cyrway: Deal with it...you have to put up with him in When Clans Collide...
*Luc mumbles something intangible and storms out.*

Oh, wait! I remember somewhat!

Coyote> *After looking at the teamup on WCC* Heh...I see some explosions already...Eddie and Rosanna on the same team? Boy, are you a glutton for punishment...

Eddie: I want a Rokkan Devestator!!!
Cyrway: Grow up...you have the ion cannon and the napalm cannon...what more do you want?
Eddie: More guns.
Cyrway: And IRL I hate guns...

Gawd, I just had a major brain fart...if I remember, I'll be back...

*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 12:09:00 PM
IP: gcolor.com

FANFIC ARCHIVE> Well, =I= can get in. (Not that I'm gloating or anything).

DUMLAOX> I read the essay; damn good job! I hope your professor gave you a good mark.

WILEK> A fic with Pinky and the Brain? Jeeze. (They're Pinky, they're Pinky and Goli-i-i-i-ath.)

COYOTE> A Lonely Hearts club? I'd love to join. (RE: Christmas songs) Well, the library I'm in now is one of the few rooms in the school that doesn't have carols piped in 24/7. Driving me batty, I might add. (Not that it's a particularly long drive, but...).

DOUG re: UPGRADING NETSCAPE> Good for you! Unless your existing browser crashes after 98% of a 20MB file, it'll be the best decision you've ever made. (Hint: Don't install Netscape Calendar; it's useless).

ROBBY re: AOL PROBLEMS> I'm tempted to say that it serves you right for using AOhelL, but then again, nobody deserves that.

As for the AOhelL merger with NS, here's my advice: download Communicator 4.5 right now (Doug and Kitainia are already on it, as am I). This assures you won't have to upgrade for a good long while.

Is anyone interesting in the new Disney movie "The Prince of Egypt"? I was a little wary, knowing how Disney movies butcher ancient stories, but I read an article in a magazine stating the accuracies. Several prominent religious scholars (including Rev. Billy Graham and Dr. James Dobson) consulted on the movie, and as a result, there are few major inaccuracies. Sounds good to me.

I also want to see Meet Joe Black, ST:IX, both bug movies, and Enemy of the State. On my budget. *laughs maniacally*

** leaves, annoyed that no one noticed his mouse/rat pun in his last post. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, December 3, 1998 10:11:16 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Coyote> Could you please also write where your RP ends? Thanks.

List of things I want to do>
1. Review 'A Call to Arms'.
2. Write emails to give feedback to the two writers of Athenaverse (Jewel Faulknew and Scott Iscow).
3. Start working on the page I'm gonna create.
4. Review the TGS story I hadn't reviewed.
5. Go on writing that little piece of Interactive Fiction I started writing.
6. Start working on one more I-F idea.
7. And ofcourse do all the stuff I have to do for university.

AAARRGH!
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 09:53:41 AM
IP: athe530-e058.otenet.gr

WILEK - I doubt that Longinus would have been present at Caesar Augustus's court alongside Primus, or if he was, just barely. He was present at the Crucifixion, which seems to have taken place circa A.D. 30. Caesar Augustus died in A.D. 14, about fifteen years before. (And I'm not even sure just how long before that Primus was there in Rome, given that Augustus ruled Rome for quite a while, from 27 B.C. to A.D. 14). Longinus would still have to be young enough in A.D. 30 to be serving actively in the Roman army in Judaea, so he might have been too young to have been a part of Augustus's court. So it's not too probable.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:41:42 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-103.primary.net

Has anyone else had the problems with Ordell's three part Twilight stories of getting the title and e-mail addi and URL for website but no story?

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 07:29:52 AM
IP: proxy-311.public.rwc.webtv.net

**RP ALERT** The screen comes back on. Jammer, Gubio, Keith, Tricia, Shap, and Mist are inside the Onslaught's trailer, checking the various vehicles within for damages and fixing any they find. Suddenly there is a roar of heavy engines and the truck starts moving. Keith looks at Jammer and asks, "Did you leave the keys in the ignition?" "Yes, I did," Jammer grins back. "Damn it." Behind the group of Ravens, a portal opens out of thin air. Out of it steps Will Parker, Keith's martial arts rival of old. With him is Calvin Derkins, a former sports rival of Shap's. The gang of bullies from Keith's middle school, now grown to maturity (their names are Sam, Roland, Joey, and Carl) also step through, and the portal closes behind them. "Get them!" commands Will, and the bad guys attack.

Meanwhile, back in the Fiesta Texas park, Doug and Kitainia have joined the bikers in a huge fight in the middle of Looney Tunes Land. Their opponents are another large group of Fundamentalist Extreme clones, this one led by Brother Dale and the bookkeeper Sister Leah. Dale is ranting at a short female biker with long curly black hair dressed like a modern-day witch, calling her derogatory names such as "pagan," "nonbeliever" and so on. Anne Kelso takes a doll out of her pocket and stabs it with her knife. Dale screams and hits the ground, bleeding to death from a similar wound. "Next time attack first and insult later," Anne advises him. Leah swings her heavy bag of notebooks at the biker with long brown hair dressed like Rob Zombie. Tommy Walker catches the case with one hand and socks her hard with the other, knocking the FE's accountant down. A stocky black-mustached biker with a polka-dot scarf tied around his head (Ratchet Ralph) then steps on her neck with his hobnailed boots. "Don't Tread on God's Earth, Sinner," he mimics the pronouncement she earlier spouted off. The bikers, Kitainia, and Doug quickly finish off the clones who were with these two, and then Kitainia turns to make a post. **RP PAUSE**

DumlaoX: I read your essay. Great job!! Lots of it is going into my quote book. Thanks for the badges, we will wisely use the power given to us.

Stephen: Hope your back heals soon. If you need relief from the pain, a long massage from my SO always works for me. :)

Cyrway: Right. I'll e-mail my comments to you as soon as I've read the fic!

Ravyn: Interesting info about that UFO. I wonder who it belonged to... <insert "X-Files" theme> Thanks for mentioning it.

Jonathan: Very sorry. I thought everyone was up with the RP happenings. No more outbursts like that to you or anyone, I promise. <Gives her Falcon Scout's honor sign>

Falcon Scout was my girl scout troop's version of the male Eagle Scout rank, by the way.

SJ: I'm not mad at you, don't worry. Doug's right, I am being a bad cop too much. Rules are rules, but there are loopholes and special cases. From now on, I'll only blow the whistle for rulebreakers who I know knew about the rules and the RP saga. On all rule calls, of course, final judgement as to what's a violation will be left up to DumlaoX.

(Plug Alert!) Durid: He gets better, don't worry. Doug had a really bad plot in mind for his fanfic saga at first, let's just say it could have been a B-movie series. Silvan, O'Neil, Seth, and Kingpin were still involved, but weren't the kind of people you'll see in the stories to come. Doug actually planned to stay with his original plot up until he was halfway through with "Fall of Nightstone," then he started reading TGS and got other inspirations. He also met me and since I was the first fan of his work he'd met face to face that would be honest with him, he shared the plot with me. I told him how bad it was, and to my surprise, he agreed. He then started brainstorming and reading other people's fics (Ryan Stout, Cyrway, Christine, Spike, and Sobotka are the authors I can remember now), and eventually he found a better plot (with some help from his friends). He changed his third story (which he was then working on) to match it, easily incorporated the first two, and from then on has been following the new and more interesting plot. This one's still B-movie series worthy, but IMHO, this B-movie series could be a cult classic. He has a lot planned, only he and I fully know the details (I'm his idea-sounding board). Trust me, it does get better as more stories are posted, and it will continue to. Enjoy! (This has been a shameless plug.)

Robby: I LOVED your vent!! Hope the new Netscape (they and AO-Hell have merged) isn't so damn bad as that! We're using Netscape 4.5 right now, it's much better than what we had. <grin>

Insomnia: I get it, too, sometimes. Especially on nights before tests. Which reminds me...My finals are next week. Uh oh.

That's all for now, later.
**RP AGAIN** Doug, Kitainia, and the bikers look around for more trouble and don't see any. They all nod and head off towards the park entrance to meet up with the rest of the team. Meanwhile, back in the trailer, Keith has taken out Will with a spinning-bird karate kick, the one move Will was never able to block. He then stabs a sharp screwdriver into the karate punk's skull. Tricia splits Calvin's head open with a blast of psionic energy as he dives at her, while Shap stabs the jerk in the back. Gubio and Mist take out Sam, Roland, Joey, and Carl with blasts from their guns. "Let's go see who's driving us this time," Keith commands after they have all had their wounds healed through Shap's laying on of hands and minor clerical spells. Jammer nods and opens the trailer's side door. Attaching suction cups to their elbows and knees, and also putting on rings and slippers of spider climbing (these magic items allow one to climb any surface easily), he, Keith, and Tricia begin to scale the trailer's sheer sides. They work their way to the side of the cab, where Jammer looks in the window. In the passenger seat is Stanley MacCarpenter, a racketeer and ex-client of Tricia's lawyer dad who tried to kidnap her once for blackmail purposes. Jammer also recognizes the Cher-look-alike girl who's driving the Onslaught. "Hello, Dalia," he greets his insane junkie ex. She draws a pistol and aims it at Jammer's head as the screen fades out. MacCarpenter does likewise with a sawed-off shotgun. To be continued next time. **END RP FOR NOW**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 01:06:01 AM
IP: hil-c45-017-vty179.as.wcom.net

MAJOR VENT TIME***Robby steps into the offices of AOL, armed to the teeth with every kind of weapon you can think of. I won't go into what, use your imaginations. He looks around the main room. "Okay, who decided it would be fun to make Robby take 28 minutes JUST to sign on today?" Someone clears his throat, Robby blasts him to smithereenies. "Okay, now... Who decided that after I FINALLY get online 28 minutes later, that the browser wouldn't go anywhere?" An employee gets a worried look on his face. His bullet riddled body soon hits the floor. "Now, who decided to make EVERY one of my e-mails a Mailer Daemon, including my messages to Wilek, Starsinger, and Heather? I spent a lot of time on those, and nobody got them! Why? Because they came back to me!" A whole row of security guards who burst in are mowed down with firepower. "Finally, who thought it would be a good idea to kick me off TEN FRIGGIN SECONDS before I finished a thirty minute download?" Robby looks around. "AH forget it, you're all gonna die tonight." He throws a bomb into the air, and teleports out of the building. From a distance, he watched AOL go up in smoke... ***END VENT

My, that did feel good. Needless to say, I am NOT happy with AOL today...

34 OR 35 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!

Wilek- I did get your e-mail, but I got a MAILER DAEMON message when I sent my comments on it. All three times I tried. But its good stuff, you have nothing to worry about. (I would go more into detail, but you told me not to...)

Durid- A complete ElfQuest set isn't lucky. Its hard work and expensive. My complete set took me over 2 years to compile, and cost a pretty penny or a couple thousand pretty pennies actually... But worth it. The first series, Siege of Blue Mountain, and Kings of the Broken Wheel are all some of the best material ever done. After that its kinda hit and miss...

Doug- I think Jaden was referring to me, and he wouldn't be the first to call me Bobby in here.

Coyote- Not too bothered. I've always been a night owl, and I tend to stay up through the night during holidays. And I was still on that schedual when school started back up this week... My own fault really. Or maybe my dad's. He's a night owl too. (And no, I'm pretty sure he ISN'T a gargoyle. No wings. He might be a vampire though...)

DumlaoX- You already said thanks for my doing the countdown, but the clock is a neato addition... Wait a minute, it's going into flame and...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, December 3, 1998 12:29:18 AM
IP: spider-wa014.proxy.aol.com

"Masterpiece" will not be posted tonight. I tried and it came out gibberish. When Chris really gets the append program for his site up, it shall be done. In the meantime, I am upgrading from netscape 3.0 to 4.5!

Coyote: I will be VERY interested to know how they're making those sinkholes.

Wilek: Sure, send me character descriptions! I've been wondering who all those people with you are! I'll also be happy to make some cards for them. Just please give me full lists of their capabilities along with the descriptions and I'll do it.

JEB: Yeah, this would be for the RP-only Sevarius, probably. But what ideas did you have for him? Mind letting us know?

Thanks,
Doug
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 11:25:40 PM
IP: hil-c45-017-vty179.as.wcom.net

Wilek> Sure. The more the merrier. :) Though, expect work on them to be slow... most of the card design and creation was done by my bud Dracandros, and he's busy lately. Unless, of course, you mean to make your own cards and want them added to me site, which is totally fine. :)

Robby> If you find that comic, tell me. :) And, 2000 comics? Nice sized collection. :) If I hadn't stopped collecting them major a few years back, I'd probably be able to compete.

Doug> Looks like this'll be neat. :) But, the Anton Sevarius Sr. stats... this refers to the RP version only, right? I had different ideas for Sevarius meself. <:)

WB, Jackal!

Ravyn> Thanks for the info. :) Disney Adventures ran an article about it? What month? (My little bro has a subscription.) And how long ago was this, to be in DA?

Durid> Okey-dokey. Between the two rooms, that's three votes. Guess I will. :)

Man, I've got to get more sleep. Can't even make worthwhile replies.
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 11:19:48 PM
IP: 208-13-106.ipt.aol.com

Oops, that last post was to Coyote. :}
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 11:09:03 PM
IP: tnt-1-27-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Ehhh ... I dunno, theoretically I'm supposed to be able to handle file attachments up to 2 meg ... but my mail program gets corrupted by darn near anything. Better put it up at your space and send me a URL, that might work better ... that way I can get the source code on my own.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 11:08:44 PM
IP: modem72.i-is.com

My entire site's about a 166K download, fully ZIPped. Can your modem handle that?
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 10:45:31 PM
IP: tnt-1-27-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP!!**The screen lights up to reveal the scene exactly where Ravyn left off: she's holding Preston down for Coyote's next shot. Behind them, Buick has managed to pull the tank out of the sinkhole with the help of the hidden winch in the front end.**

Okay, Ravyn. **looks at Preston** Exactly *how* did you make that sinkhole?

<"Wouldn't you like to know? The same way we're going to make LOTS of sinkholes!">

**Preston lashes out at Coyote with some kind of weird weapon that looks like a stainless-steel pointed cylinder. Coyote responds by plowing his left elbow into Preston's head, knocking him out cold.**

Well now ... I feel cleansed. And now on to some replies.

Wilek: Feel free to send your stuff to me. Is it the content you're not confident on, or the code? Just wondering, I have knowledge of some little HTML jigs that I try to use.
Oh and the CD ... wouldn't that be a *horribly* confusing marriage?

Doug: Yes I did get the fic, and I will be sending comments to you shortly.

Cyrway: See Doug.

Coldstone: Wow ... I'm humbled. Pray tell, you wouldn't happen to be able to drop me a note to tell me exactly which one of mine inspired your AW fic, would you? And I'll be certainly reading the new AW.

Robby: Don't you just hate that? I get like that too, even when my contacts get so blurry I can barely walk straight, let alone type. (Dusty house, don't ask.)

Deuce: I remember your problems from the message you sent me about a couple months back, I think. Not much I can do from this end for ya, except hope for the best ... wanna join our Lonely Hearts Club? Our Christmas anthem is "Please Come Home for Christmas." (j/k ... the music system at my workplace have been playing (nearly) non-stop Christmas music since Sunday. It's tolerable to a point; when you hear 16 different arrangements of "Sleigh Ride" in one day, that's when you know it's obscene. The system's been playing "PCHFC" (the Jon Bon Jovi version) as well.)

DumlaoX: You can take a course in mystery fiction (i.e. writing)? Too Kewl!! Dang, I shoulda gone to UCLA ... the most I was able to flex my creative muscle in class at MSU was two writing courses (one generic creative writing, one specifically fiction writing), though I did come up with one of my better concepts in that second class ... it served as the basis for my fic cycle, and may come full circle if I ever get around to writing that screenplay I keep promising myself I'll write.
And before I forget, good luck on finals. THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY WHO HAS UPCOMING FINALS!! (think that was loud enough? ;)

Durid: I suppose. Although the whole concept of my Samson might be too twisted ... even for Christine. (Now that has to be quite an accomplishment ...)

**RP!!**

Jason, do me a favor!

<"Shoot.">

No, don't shoot. Find me that magnetic jammer thingie in the trunk ... we've got to keep Guod from pulling Preston back again. I think Doug would be interested to hear about this weird sinkhole device.

**Jason, the Gearhead and Ravyn run out to where Preston is still out cold. Jason clips the magnetic jammer thingie to Preston's shirt, activating it.**

Okay, that should keep him here. **sniffs** Is that wintergreen?

<"Yeah, boss." "I couldn't take it anymore.">

Understandable. Thanks, Ravyn, maybe now I can go back below and get more of my weapons out. But for now ...

**Coyote hefts Preston over his shoulder and carries him toward the tank. Ravyn, the Gearhead and Jason follow him as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 10:35:06 PM
IP: modem72.i-is.com

**RP** [Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, the now complete Doom Commando team, Dark Mage Wilek, and the two vampire eagles are in the landing craft, and SJ and Frankie are in their TIE Scimitar, both of which are currently being pursued by two Sienar Fleet Systems TIE X-17 Seraphims. Miriam: "Those fighters were top-secret Dark Star projects! However did this General Zale gain the use of them?!" Wilek: "Probably the same lamer that's sabotaging the station. Anyone wanna bet that Zale and Jerec are working together on this one?" The Scimitar suddenly goes into a dangerous power dive. Teri: "SJ, what the <expletive deleted> do you think you're doing?! You'll get yourself killed!" SJ: "Heh. Trust me on this one." One of the Seraphims dives to follow him...and then the Scimitar abruptly slows, barely avoiding crashing into the ground. The enemy fighter isn't so fortunate. W: "Dude, that was impressive."] **PAUSE RP**

Jackal> Heh, I like your take on the 'self-promotion' issue. :)

Doug> I like your idea of making OverPower cards for our RP characters. If you'd like to make some for mine, I'll gladly e-mail you descriptions of us all. (I don't know how to make the things or I'd do it myself. :} ) And for your Sevarius card, perhaps Genetics Expertise could be an Intellect attack or something, and Use Of Cliches could be...well, whatever effect would be appropriate for such an ability. (I'm very bad at any kind of card game. That's why I didn't join the strip poker game back at the party. ^_^)

Merlin Missy> <<Nor will there be any appearances by...megalomaniacal lab mice>> There will be in my next fic. :)

SJ> Hm, I'd help, but I don't know much about the new archive. I tried to submit a story before the thing went down, and my POS browser wouldn't do any uploading. That's part of the reason I got my own site at GeoCities.

Speaking of which, I need your input on something, everyone. I'm wondering if my site's legal disclaimer is adequate to protect me from legal action; click my name to view it (the rest of my site's not up yet).

Todd, I need your input on a historical thingie> You know the Roman centurion Longinus? THAT Longinus? Um, would it have been possible for him to be serving in the court of Caesar when the TGS gargoyle Primus was living there? Longinus is in a future fanfic of mine, and I'd like to be as historically consistent as possible.

Eh, if I were to post things about the TimeDancer episode "Requiem" that could be construed as spoilers, would I have to give warnings, since it's been up for so long? There's something about that ep that's been bugging me, but I don't know whether I should give spoiler warnings or not.

**RESUME RP** [The remaining Seraphim opens a comm channel to the landing craft: "Listen up, traitor. You know who you are. Thailog and General Zale don't appreciate cowards who turn their backs on the new order. Rejoin us or get your tail blown all over the landscape." Dark Mage Wilek answers the Seraphim pilot by cordially advising him to go do something anatomically impossible to himself, although he doesn't phrase it so politely. The enemy pilot closes the channel and opens fire on the landing craft.] **END RP**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 10:15:49 PM
IP: tnt-1-27-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Sorry Durid I can't spell either tonight. Too many bedtime stories and I really have to go to bed soon.

THEY'RE UP. THEY'RE UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. Many cybercookies to Chris and Trevor.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 09:57:22 PM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net

Druin (sp?) Just scroll down to Stephen post at 1:57 and click on his name. He posts in red.

Ordell's first three parter comes out with a title e-mail and web page addi but no story everything else seems to work with my webtv.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 09:54:08 PM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net

The Durin post goes to Durid. Sorry.
Doug again
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 09:20:11 PM
IP: hil-c45-017-vty179.as.wcom.net

**RP BEGINS** Stephanie, Methos, and the McLeods appear on the screen, fighting off a horde of clone gang members in the middle of Fiesta Texas's midway. "This isn't exactly our fight," Duncan points out as he slashes to ribbons the last one. "But we're in it anyway," says Methos. "And I think I like the experience." Stephanie smiles at him, Connor and his kinsman exchange a nervous look. Elsewhere in the park, Doug and Kitainia are engaged in a battle of their own, fighting off Cutter Forbes and several of his Bloods in the middle of the Fiesta Texas water park area's wave pool. They finish off this group of baddies, including Cutter (he is shot in the head and heart by two of Kitainia's laser blasts), and then turn to face the CR.**PAUSE RP**

Hello everyone. What's up?

Two small errors in my latest story Todd has corrected me on. The battle of Jericho was in 1300 BC, not 2700. And Lewis and Clark didn't reach Montana till 1805. These have been corrected in my copy of the story, which will be posted at GFW real soon.

Speaking of the GFW archive, has anyone else been getting tons of Java errors when they go there? I have. There's also opaque graphic lines in some of the stories that block out text. I have to select the lines and then unselect them to read the text under these lines. These are both annoying, hope they get fixed soon.

Jonathan: Kitainia sends her apologies to you. From now on, she will consider every rule violation and not blow the whistle if it can be excused. Yours definitely could. About Zale, there will be someone very much like him in my fanfic later. I have plans in my second season (the Gargs vs. Illuminati arc I ahve going right now is season one, these seasons don't have any specified length to them) to make the main clan adversary a World Terrorism Alliance. Nick Mackovic will lead it, with a South American drug lord, a Southeast Asian triad kingpin, an IRA type guy, the female terrorist from "City of Stone," a Middle East oil billonaire with terrorist ties, Thailog, Maeve, Loki, and some militia guy like Zale (who was mainly inspired by the villains in William Diehl's "Reign in Hell," btw) as prominent members. I think a character like Zale would also work well in the RP, so he's in here as Thailog's general.

DumlaoX: Thanks for the badges, we shall wear them proudly. But we are only the rule cops, you're the judge. And so far Kitainia's been bad cop, I'm good. I better get her to tone it down a little. :) I'll write that TGS essay if I can get time and amass some more interest in it. The One Post Rule hasn't been changed much, it's still one post per day. Day is now just defined differently due to the differences in posters' time zones and general time online.

Merlin: Thanks for helping keep Chris abreast of the archive problems. I was in there a minute ago and saw that the append feature is up now. So maybe I'll be able to post a story tonight. I do have a little spare time. It'll be "Masterpiece" if I do post. And I probably will. <grin>

Jaden: Who's Bobby?

Durin: Actually, you can't just skip over my first two works. My universe of stories happens to have Gargoyles continuity. :) But don't worry, it does get better. "Fall of Nightstone," the next one in the saga, has a lot of violence and profanity, as well as the introduction of several really big elements in my universe. It's where the better stories start. Things only improve from there as far as plot and character. At least, that's what my feedback has mainly said. TGS inspirations helped me a lot in figuring out how the action's going to go, I think. (Thanks, TGS staff!) That and I've been putting lots of work into my stories, more than before. Writing them has become very important to me. Whether you enjoy the stories or not, I'm glad I'm at least being read. :)

Shameless Plug to someone else: A friend of mine named Dana Burke, aka Lenore, has posted her first fanfic "Fatality" on the GFW archive. It's really good, everyone here should take a look at it. (Plug ends)

Cyrway: I prefer my story feedback to come by e-mails for the exact same reasons as you, plus I can more specifically answer people's questions by doing that.

Tonight's RP baddie OverPower card: Anton Sevarius, Sr.
Stats: Energy 3, Fighting 3, Strength 4, Intellect 8
Specials: Mutate Self (take a random special card from draw pile, place in hand); Create Clone (take a character card from draw pile, place in hand); Goon Squad* (Level 7 Energy, Strength, Fighting, or Intellect attack); Metal Mosquito (take a card from opponent's draw pile for your own usage); Lab Self-Destruct* (Level 10 Energy, Strength, or Intellect attack).

If SJ or anyone else who knows Sevarius's character well can add to the above, it would be appreciated. Thanks. That's all I have to say tonight. I will post a message later if and when "Masterpiece" is up.

Bye! **BEGIN RP SECOND HALF** Doug and Kitainia, having defeated the latter's Blood enemies, walk out of the wave pool and begin looking for towels. **END RP FOR NOW**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 09:19:23 PM
IP: hil-c45-017-vty179.as.wcom.net

Theresa: Great! What is the Address? e-mail me please

Traveller: Have fun doing that, I know it is because I am still doing it after I erased them 2 months ago! :) Get the SS involved? I will ahve to rember that trick....

Coyote the Bando: Not really, just take a good look at the TV series. If you try to see how everyone else is realated to eachother, well, it becomes worse than a soap opera.

Robby: You have compleate sets of Elfquest? You are lucky! I only have some of the Warp Graphic novels and the books by Baen.

JEB: Sure, post them. In fact, tell people about it and we should be ablt to get more people on it.

Doug: I was worried there for awhile, you mean I can skip right over them and not lose anything in your later wirting? :) Hope that improvement happens to me.

Stephen: That's great to hear! I may be able to get you on alot of technical issues of your stories, but your stories are good nontheless! I will be looking forward to them. P.S. MY NAME IS DURID! NOT DURIN!!!!

Jackel: Dead for two years? Not really, I see it as trying to get a truly great piece of artwork back to it's orginal creator. Gargoyles the show was great, but whenever someone besides Weisman got a hold of it, they ruined it. The action figures were a laugh, the posters in the library were ok, the comic was a disgrace, and the third season was a horror. Give Gargoyles back to Weisman, and get someone better to market it.

Merlin Missy: No parinoid FBI agents? Darn! I was hopeing for a return of Pheonix Riseing, wonder how FBI agents got into that anyway....

Servarius Jr.: Then you are lucky. I made an account in the archive, and it didn't even acknowledge it. Keep getting an 'access denied' when I try to get at it.
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 08:42:04 PM
IP: dialuph78.mpls.uswest.net

I'm so late right now that I'm making this super-short comment as I'm running out the door (thank God for this long keyboard cord).

Bobby-I'm glad that's a good thing. You know how things are today when a word used to describe something good is now used for something bad or the other way around.

Ravyn-Don't get shot.

****extremely short RP!!!****
Jaden picks up a club and follows Fleur to find there friends and bask some bad guys.
(see short)
****end of extremely short RP!!!****
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 08:17:00 PM
IP: pm1-11.sma.silcom.com

MAN OF THE PEOPLE-- Indeed. This has Christopher Plummer doing the Mike Wallace role, Russel Crowe as the tobacco head turned informant, and Al Pacino as the 60 Minutes producer. And by my clock, less than 40 mins till the Director arrives :)

MY GARGOYLES ESSAY-- Speak of the devil. It still exists. The Aerie has a copy of it posted at my OLD website (old before I hooked up with TGS). Hit my name to get to the essay, which is thankfully off the Geocities server and in the server that houses TGS.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 06:22:40 PM
IP: dhcp116.oac-commons.ucla.edu

DUMLAOX> You wrote a Gargoyles essay? Cool! (If you ever find it, you should post it somewhere).

MANDI> Thanks for the compliment; did you see the B&W page or the red & grey one?

MERLIN> No megalomanical lab mice? Rats!

SJ> I didn't notice any lag time. I posted "Betrayal" this aft', and it was up virtually instantly. "Metamorphosis" didn't get up, mainly because I couldn't get the school's f'k'n' Macintoshes to recognize it as a text file. God only knows what it thought it was, but it sure knew what it wasn't.

That reminds me: if anyone knows where to get a decent FTP client for the Macintosh (decent? Macintosh?) that will run from a floppy, please let me know. I need one in the worst way.

That will be all for now.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 06:02:35 PM
IP: dialin013.connect.ab.ca

I need a little help here, guys.

I got a question about posting on the archive. I just posted my little story I wrote a couple of weeks ago (remember it?) at the archive, and it didn't show up right away....Did I do something wrong? Or is there a lag time between when I post and when it shows up in the archive? Sorry if I'm asking a dumb question, but do take into account that until just over a year ago, I didn't even have regular net access, and I know absolutely nothing about posting on an archive.

Kitiana: (Please don't get mad at me) Don't be so quick with layin' down the RP Rule stick. I don't even think Jon posts that much here, let alone know what's up with the current roleplay.

Dumlao: If I am not mistaken, the new "Man of the People" movie is going to star one of my favorite actors, Aussie Russell Crowe. He was great in L.A. Confidential.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 05:09:23 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

Kitiana: actually I was commenting about a character from dougs fanfic series( at least i thought i was..)

Apology anyway but i haven't been involved with this RP.

Good night all.
Jonathan
NEW ZEALANDWednesday, December 2, 1998 04:56:09 PM
IP: wh27-4.wave.co.nz

**RP!**
**Ravyn pulls out a katana blade and faces Preston. "All right, pal, you're going down!" Preston doesn't look impressed. "Oh, I'm so scared..." He says sarcastically. Ravyn leaps at him, and cuts an "R" into his shirt like Zorro. Preston suddenly seems a little nervous, and Ravyn punches him, then grabs him and holds him against a wall. She takes the blade and stabs it through part of his pants so that he's pinned to the wall but not physically harmed. Ravyn smiles. "Take it from here, Coyote, if you'd like." she says, and turns to make some comments.** **END RP FOR NOW**

Jaden> For Christmas I'm going to Los Angeles for a week! Yay!!! :)

Doug> No problem, my lips are sealed! I love keeping a secret. :)

JEB> They say at least a couple hundred people, maybe even a thousand, might have seen the object. It flew over some pretty populated areas, and from videos of it and eyewitness estimates, they just guessed that it was about a mile long. I have one of the newspaper accounts of it and an article from 'Disney Adventures' about it around here somewhere, if you need to know more. :)

Wilek> Ah, so the 'UFO' was really Miriam's organization's fault? Okay, that makes me feel better that it's not actually aliens that want to abduct me or something...;)

**MORE RP!**
**Ravyn heads back over to the tank, where the Gearhead is just chillin' for now. "Thanks for the help back there with those ninjas." Rav says.
The Gearhead shrugs. "No problem."
Ravyn reaches into her pocket and pulls out some breath mints. She hands them to the Gearhead, saying, "Here, man, these are for you."** :) **END RP AND THIS POST**
Ravyn Maza
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 04:54:06 PM
IP: svm-ts6-9.c2i2.com

*Merlin, dressed in a leather bomber jacket and safety goggles, flies into the room strapped to the back of a Delta-7925 Rocket. With the exhaust plume, she writes:*

"Regarding the entrance, this is my research."

"I've been keeping Chris updated with the comments regarding the archive. The problems mentioned are being considered, and in some cases, even resolved. :P In the meantime, if you want to download older stories, click on my name. The old authors' directories are still up and running, and don't involve the use of any strange web tricks."

"Mandi: Long live Memorial Hall!"

"Teaser for Next Week: There will be no, repeat, no flying nachos in next week's episode of TGS. Nor will there be any appearances by paranoid FBI agents, megalomaniacal lab mice, dancing pink dragons (there's that word again), or Big Daddy and the Loch Ness Crew. What *will* happen? *sits back and smiles evilly* Wait."

*The rocket sputters out of fuel. Merlin hops off, whips out her handy-dandy air sampling system, and sucks the exhaust into a tank, which she carts out of the room, all the while singing very quietly under her breath: "Neener neener neener!"*
Merlin Missy - [mrwilson@umr.edu]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 04:21:00 PM
IP: speedo.physics.umr.edu

**BLAISISM, ALTHOUGH IT'S KIND OF TRUE-TO-LIFE**
**Mandi comes in dressed in a green dress and carrying a battery pack, with white lights draped all over her and a gold star perched on the baseball cap on her head. She grins at the weird looks she's getting, then explains.**

Our residence hall decorating competition is tonight, and it's getting ugly. Shriner Hall is rumored to be bringing in a cow dressed as a reindeer this year, so my hall is pulling out all the stops. COBLENTZ IS GOING TO WIN!! Ahem. Anyway...

Wilek> There used to be a form, but the webmasters kind of left the page alone last summer. I'm not sure who to e-mail about that.

DumlaoX> Yes I did, and I'm currently digging out my old notes from last semester for syntax checking. I think I found a glitch with passing a character pointer, but I need to check. Maybe if I can talk my way out of class tonight. And as for finals.. **sticks her tongue out** Lucky. Mine are in a week.

Fleur> **hugs back** No problem. It's your birthday, you have an extra excuse to vent. :)

**Mandi vanishes as the phone rings. Suddenly, she reappears.**

YES! I'm free tonight!! Of course, I've got to read the chapter, but oh well...

Deuce> I like the House of Cards, esp. the tables layout. Very nice.

Cyrway> Did get AA last night, so you know. Yes, I will send comments thru e-mail...once Holiday Tea is over and I get unplugged, that is...

Jaden> A Logic final? Yech. I feel for you. Good luck!

Oops, dinner's in half an hour. Better get out of these lights. :)

**Mandi walks out very carefully, praying not to break or drop or short out anything**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 03:57:28 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Quickie...

In regards to AA, please email 'em to me...just so some ppl who get pissed off about non-TGS related posts won't get offended...Thanx!

Coyote> Ye're twisted...then there's my half-Sirian, half-gargoyle...but she was genetically created...hmmm...I can't wait to read that, though...BTW, did you get the other file okay?

TGS-related> I am working on a Timedancer wanna-be...involving Woodstock and the close of World War II...interesting twist if anyone wants to see Brooklyn with a contact high...if I can find the bloody disk...

Back to work...*PTOOFF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 03:52:27 PM
IP: gcolor.com

I feel so out of it today. No idea why, though. Ah well...

DOUG & KITANIA-- You 2 seem to be the RP cops around here with all the spottings of rule breaking acts here. *throws the both of them badges that read 'TGS CR task force'* Wear them in good health :)

DAN-- TGS themes are gonna get fixed soon. Just have to find my contact, IRC Goliath, and have him send them over to me.

MANDI-- Just curious, tis all. Did ya get my e-mail with the scripts in it?

FANFIC ARCHIVE-- very cool, eh? Glad to see it was fixed. Of course, now that I can't save the story itself without the extra HTML in it, I'm just real glad that I can use the FTP access I have to d/l all the fics and read them offline :)

ONE POST RULE-- OK, so it was changed, eh? Time for me to refine that on the rules page. Don't worry, I'll get it up soon.

ROBBY-- Don't remember if I said this but thanx for doing the TD countdown here. *hands him an official TimeDancer countdown clock, oddly shaped like the Phoenix Gate* Keep the clock running.

OPPOSITES ATTRACT-- Heh, y'know, she gave the staff the link to that little snippet 1 day before posting it here. It was funny as hell. Another great piece from my good friend Spike. (And if I ever get the chance to have Ali scan a copy of a pic she did for us at the Gathering, I'll put it here).

FINALS-- In 3 weeks for me. NNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

FLEUR-- Happy b-day! When ya get the stereo installed, blast something that shakes mirrors and windows and stuff. I love it when I do that to my car :)

STEPHEN-- Hope ya feel better about your back. Hate to see ya hurting like that.

DOUG-- TGS essay? Write it up, man! :) Essays about a favorite subject are fun to write up and better to research on. Now if I could just find out where my essay on Gargoyles was that I had submitted for my English class 2 years back (A college English class, mind you. Got an A for it too :)

Still working on lots of stuff for school and TGS, including stuff for the site. I know, promises, promises, but I will get it done... somehow.

Oh, 2 things before I leave:

1) Today in my Detective Fiction class we have Mr Michael Mann as our special guest. For those not in the know, he was director for "Manhunter", "Heat", produced "The Last Of The Mohicans", "Miami Vice", and will do a film next year called "Man of the People". Thought it was cool to mention that here.

2) I would tease you with something TGS related but... I wish I could remember what ep we were showing next week :P

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 03:40:15 PM
IP: clsb-mac-08.clicc.ucla.edu

Jonathan: <WHEEEP> That's my whistle sound. You just made an RP-stuff-only post. That is a violation of one of the rules. But thanks for the interesting info on Westmoreland, Zale is partially based on him.

Cyrway: We got the story you sent us. I'll send you comments after it's read. Do you want me to say them in here (like I do for Coyote) or e-mail them to you (as Doug prefers)? Just curious.

Later,
Kitainia, The RP Ref
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 02:25:55 PM
IP: fac-b-d4.lib.utexas.edu

Quick note.

Doug: Hi!! about general Zale: not really to far from the mark - IIRC the main reason General Westmoreland was fired after the the Tet Offensive was for *demanding* the release of nuclear weapons for use at the battle of Khe Sahn.

Goodnight all!!!
Jonathan
NEW ZEALANDWednesday, December 2, 1998 01:01:03 PM
IP: wh5011.wave.co.nz

Oops. Forgot my colour and image in that last post (sorry if you thought I was Doug). Clickez mon nom pour une page tres interessant! (It's my page... kinda).

FRENCH TRANSLATION: Click my name for a very interesting page.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champs, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 12:54:17 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Damn. Where have I been? Anyway..., out of all I just read, this is all I gonna address right now....
<<I thought this room was for comments and not for self glory people to put their own stories in here...>>
Perhaps we'd better understand you, if you told us why you feel this way, instead of jumping down people's throats about it. Personally, I like all this s**t, I mean..., How often do you see people trying to resuisiate (forgive my spelling), something that's been dead for two years? Pretty cool, huh? That's how I see it- Thur the eyes of Jackal... Thank You!
Jackal
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 11:36:56 AM
IP: spider-th042.proxy.aol.com

Thanks to everybody for the... unique... suggestions. But I think I have it figured out.

STARSINGER> Oh, my God! You were right! Talking it out and being diplomatic DO work! (That girl is off my case; she's the only person I've met who listens to the story and changes her point of view AFTER attacking me).

FLEUR> {might result in a lot of girls with big knives in your future} They're already there.

<RANT>Let's just say that there is an awful rumour going around that I did some very disgusting things. Now, to anyone who truly knows me, this is obviously false. But there are a great many females who do believe this, resulting in me being unable to flirt with ANYBODY, for fear one of these psychos is watching, waiting to tear my heart (or other important body part) out/off and hold over her head like a trophy, dripping blood and...</RANT>

I'm done now... sympathetic e-mails/advice/requests for more information can be directed to the address below.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 10:14:01 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

NOT AN RP, JUST AN ENTRANCE**Robby enters droopy eyed with background music to the tune of "He's a maniac..." But the words have been altered to "He's an insomniac... An insomniac... And he's staying up like he never has before...** END NOT AN RP, JUST AN ENTRANCE

Geez, almost 2 o'clock here, and I'm not asleep. And I have to get up at 7 for school... Oii..

35 OR 36 DAYS UNTL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2, DEPENDING IF YOU COUNT THE THURSDAY IT COMES OUTOR NOT.

Wilek-Go ahead, e-mail me. As for where I keep my comics, lets just say I have a LOT of full folders and shelves...

Jaden-Spiffy is a good thing, yes.

NOT AN RP, BUT AN EXIT**Robby leaves, with music now Queen's "We Are The Champions". No real reason for it, its just whats playing at the moment.**
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 02:48:54 AM
IP: spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com

Fleur> It'll work if Hotmail accepts file attachments. Does it?
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 02:37:36 AM
IP: tnt-2-123-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP**
Scene: Fleur is stalking through the park, following the sounds of gun-fire and screams of hell-and-damnation to the arcade, in the mood to remove limbs for the assimulation of the party guests. A strange sound makes her pause, then silently move behind a tree. Readying her blade, time pauses, and Fleur makes her comments.
**OKAY, THIS RP HALF IS DONE***

Mandi, Doug, Kyryn, Traveller, JEB, Wilek and anyone else I've forgotten who wished me a happy birthday> THANK-YOU!! **hugs**

To everybody in the CR, thanks for putting up with my whinging last time. Just had to get it all out of my system, and I've discovered this method is a lot quieter than screaming aimless abuse at the sky. (plus, the sky really doesn't care 'bout what I have to say, but people passing by _do_. :))

Kyryn, Durid and Robby> Thank-you. Get out your fine-toothed combs, the story has been sent. :)

Doug> Actually, Luggage isn't my creation. (oh boy, I wish it was!) But for a rabid discworld fan like me, he was the _only_ option for a sidekick for my RP persona.

Traveller> EWWWW! My condolences. You didn't lose anything vital, did you? Last time I got a virus, it destroyed all of my CATS (huge, VERY Important projects in my final year of high school), three days before the English one was due in. Errr, I was a _lee-tle_ bit stressed that night. >:)
Hope you can get it fixed quickly - the CR isn't quite the same without your influence. Safer, yes, but not as interesting. :)

Wilek> you can send your web page to me if you like. I've only got a hotmail account, though, so I'm not sure if it'll work. But, no worries! Go ahead! If I'm _really_ lucky, it might actually make my account work better. (trust me, you couldn't make it any worse.) I was LOL at your little creativity demon. I can just imagine Fox introducing them both to people. 'Hello, I'm Fox Mulder, and this is my husband, er,....'

Deuce> Option a) is probably the best, although, if it were me, I'd probably do all five, except maybe c) (like you said - BORING!) But I don't know about sending nasty emails to her friends. I mean, if they are _her_ friend, getting them angry is probably not the most survival-ensuring thing you can do. (might result in a lot of girls with big knives in your future :)) Good luck with dealing with her. Actually, forget luck - HAVE FUN! Muwhahahaha!

TTFN!

**MORE RP STUFF**
With a wild scream, Fleur leaps around the tree... and finds herself face to face with a half-human, half-wolf surrounded by the dead and dying bad guys.
'Jaden! Man, don't scare me like that!' Jaden gives her a Look.
'Don't scare _you_ like that?! I could have lived without the experience myself. At least for the ten years years you just took off my life.'
'Sorry.' Fleur looks around. 'Look, I have no idea where we are, and there are borg and god-only knows what else prowling around. Maybe we should stick together.'

**END RP AND THIS POST**
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 02:02:21 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

DURIN> Yes, I am related to Stephen Sobotka... he's me! <grin> I can understand the confusion though. Several people have contacted me, saying it's wonderful that I'm "continuing the fanfics writen by my father"... and it's funny, because in fact my father and I share the same name in RL. However, Stephen R. Sobotka Sr. - my dad, an Air Force Master Sargeant - never wrote anything except a few papers for his college degree in Paralegal.

I started writing fanfic under a lot of names (Some which would not be appropriate to reveal here!), but it was Christi "Spike" Hayden that convinced me to write under my real name, which, to not confuse Dad with me, was "Stephen R. Sobotka" to begin with. After he died in 1994 of cancer, I switched over to using the "Jr." to signify it was me to my family. In fact, one of my fanfics - "First Flight" - is dedicated to my dad.

STARSINGER> Speaking of the "DeGuy Saga", yes I am the one that wrote "Generations Quest", and it is stalled for now because of my commitments to the current TGS season, and the next season of "Timedancer". However, so you all will have a little taste, be sure to check the next issue of "Avalon Mists" (((SHAMELESS PLUG!))) I've writen a new "DeGuy" story just for the e-zine, which BTW was inspired by one of the latest works of Coyote the Bando... you'll have to read the story when AM premieres this month. And let me say before hand to Bando; thanks for the inspiration! I needed it after all the boggle down in TGS I am working through. :)

Also, if you want to see it, my site can be reached by clicking on my name. There you can see some of the artwork that Starsinger was mentioning; most done by Christi Hayden, but some gems by Satana, CrzyDemona, and others. (Don't Forget to SIGN the GUESTBOOK!)

Oh, BTW, for that story for AM, Satana is also doing a pic for it too! And it should be a doozy!

Well, that's all from me for now! Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 01:57:05 AM
IP: 116.ieway.com

****RP*****
Jaden, who has finally calmed down and reverted back to a half wolf, half human state, finds that most of the bad guy around him are either dead or dying. "I hate it when I get when I do that!" he says as he runs off to find his new friends.
****RP****

Hey everyone! What are you doing for Christmas? I'm taking a trip to San Diego.

Robby-spiffy? That's a good thing right?

Mandi Ohlin-I too have finals and guess what...I'm not ready for them. I have to really, really study for my final in Logic and I can barely grasp what I'm learning.

The archieve is back up? That's great! But I'll have to wait till tomorrow to take a look (grrrrrrrrr). I'm sooooo busy.

Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 01:15:43 AM
IP: pm1-8.sma.silcom.com

<Fire Storm appears in the CR, looking VERY happy and refreshed.>
Oberon help me, I just love calling in sick when I feel prefectly fine! Lady Mystic gave me a offer that I just couldn't refuse! ;)

Traveler: Been there. AM there. :( I am in the middle of getting my 3 computers working again. Yes, my DESKTOP crashed (Been that way for 2 months :( LM's desktop crashed (Along with my TGS archives that I am supposed to send DumlaoX. They are still in tact, but I just can't get to them. When I do, I will post them on my site so you can DL them, ok?) And my SERVER crashed! I have been forced to re-install NT MANY times in the past 24 hours. :(
(Anyone that has ever installed NT 4.0 knows what a pain in the... tooshie that can be!)
MP3 worries? How many MP3's do you have? <Evil Grin>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 01:02:07 AM
IP: dhcp174.visitus.net

That should have been "keeps going", not "comes going." Sorry.
Doug
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 12:45:42 AM
IP: hil-c45-033-vty132.as.wcom.net

**RP BEGINS** Somewhere near Fiesta Texas's video arcade, Shauna is taking down gang members with her bow and arrow. Suddenly the gang's lieutenant, Bruce "Bad Boy" Johnson, comes up behind her and knocks her down. The Ravens' archer leaps to her feet and confronts her ex. "You're still mixed up with these criminals!" she fumes at Bruce. "Why am I not surprised?" "Like I've told you, Shawnie," the gang lieutenant laughs in reply. "Once the violence ensnares you, you can't get out." He notes the bow. "No matter what side you're on." Shauna gets angry and slaps him. They immediately get into a huge fistfight that ends with Bruce running away to lick his wounds. Shauna smiles, picks her bow back up, and returns to keeping the arcade clear.

In another part of the park, Doug and Kitainia are trapped behind a souvenir stand. They are currently exchanging fire with a large group of Fundamentalist Extreme, led by Brothers Dave and Larry. Doug turns to make a CR post while reloading his gun. **PAUSE RP**

Todd: Cool, I'm glad we've both gotten to enjoy Faust. The fic you wanted is finished, btw. I e-mailed it to you.

Spike: As I said before about your new story, LOL! Your post made me laugh, too. Thanks.

Christine: Jericho entertains me, but that doesn't mean I'd be willing to write a character like him! :)

Ravyn: Good job taking out those ninjas. I trust they weren't mixed up with the Vayas Comos Ninjas, who were not real ninjas, but just an Austin Mexican youth gang with a stupid name. Their graffiti and criminal activity has ruined a few of the good neighborhoods around here, now we've taken them out in the RP. :) Make sure you read the last scene of the fic I sent you, it should answer your question about Changeling and Graeme. But remember, please don't blurt the answer out in here!

Durid: My Hulk/Gargs crossover is one of my early fics. It's really not that great. But I do get better, don't worry. Practice was needed for me, and now I've pretty much got my plot, characters, and continuity down. (I.E. my saga is no longer just a bunch of seemingly unconnected crossovers.) Read on and (hopefully) enjoy!

Something TGS-related: Graeme and Arianna appear in my next fic, readers will learn some of my plans for them. Sata and Brother Edmund will also be mentioned. And I've been thinking of incorporating all of TGS Timedancer (if it comes going so I can easily seperate it from their way of telling the Unseelie War) into my work.

Shameless Plug: Everyone, I just finished "Through the Ages" tonight. I won't have time to post it on the archive until this Saturday, though. I am taking e-mail orders for copies of it before then. Todd, Ravyn, Coyote, Traveler, Greg Bishanky, SJ, and Mandi have already had theirs mailed to them. Hope everyone who reads the story enjoys. *PLUG ENDS*

X-Men Gargs Crossovers: I've already featured the X-Men in one of my stories (Masterpiece) and have plans to do so again in later works. Hope I can write a better crossover than what has come before.

Deuce: I recommend a, though Wilek also has a nice idea. <grin>

Traveler: That's terrible! No wonder we haven't seen you in a while, I was wondering where you'd gone. Welcome back to this refuge of the insane. About the CIH virus, my hacker pal Gubio has had to deal with it many times. It's not one of the more popular evil programs, but it can be deadly. A mysterious jerk hacker Tyl36009 (yes, he is in the RP) has infected his hard drive with that virus and many others several times. He always makes sure Gubio gets an e-mail that says something like "You can't stop Internet corruption and spam, idiot!" or "Now your hard drive is being destroyed, scrupulous unwelcome fool" right after the virus gets sent. Gubio doesn't know why Tyl does this to him, or even who Tyl is, he just deals with each virus as it comes and always keeps a backup of his files. As a result, Gubio has become a cyberspace virus hunter extroadinaire. If you need his help, please tell me so by e-mail and I'll get you two together somehow.

Coyote: Thanks for the hybrid info. You got my latest story, so you can now see 2038 Changeling in action, even if her part is very brief. Wonder how Preston was able to cause that earthquake, good luck taking him down.

JEB: Glad you like what I'm doing in here. Read the paragraph below to know more of what I'm doing with RP OverPower cards.

RP OverPower Cards: Glad everyone likes them so far. The Kenny one is my personal fave. Starting with my next post, one significant RP bad guy (e.g. Thailog, Guod, Asil, Roger Marsh, Masked Magician, the Circus, Pastor Paul, General Zale, T'angelo, Bruce, Borgis and Butt-Borg, Tyl) will be part of what I say each time until they're all made. I'm just going to do the main bad guys, not the endless sheafs of old enemies and generic goons. I've done all the good guys I brought in already, I'll let everyone else do the ones in theirs. Unless they ask me to, of course. Same deal for any villains the other posters involved have brought in, such as Tracker or Wilek the Dark Mage. Hope everyone enjoys this, it will start next time.

Wilek: You're welcome. Please feel free to e-mail me a copy of your latest fic, I'll do the same if you like. Let me give you some info on General Zale. He's an ex-US Army guy who was given a very dishonorable discharge because he tried to order nukes dropped on Hanoi and Beijing back during the Vietnam War, and then tried to do it again on Moscow and East Berlin back in the '80s. The President stopped him both times, and had the guy discharged when he was about to try the same trick back in '91 (Baghdad and Tehran were his targets this time). In other words, Zale is a far-right-wing crazed patriot who holds a very bitter grudge and violent differences of opinion against our current regime. He now leads a militia composed of like-minded people who Thailog has employed as his private army and given a lot of gear and weapons from Area 51. Zale is their chief strategist, Colonel Shreck is the field commander (he's probably some bigtime hardass soldier-type jerk), and the only other member I've invented is Lieutenant Matthew Charleston, Zale's bootlicking aide and protege. You can develop them from there, you will be fighting them after all. They could basically have whatever arms, vehicles, and troop types you feel are good. Just as they're not totally wiped out till we get Thailog out of Area 51 and wherever his main secret base is, you may treat these militiamen however you like. Enjoy!

Interesting Timedancer thought: In the course of writing my first Timedancer fic, I noticed something. The Phoenix Gate had two prisoners during the Timedancer saga. Loki was one, but Brooklyn was just as much the Gate's prisoner as him even if he wasn't trapped inside the artifact. Same goes for Sata and the rest of his family when they entered into the story. Wonder if I should write a TGS essay illustrating this point.

That's all for now, later!
**BACK TO RP** Doug turns to Kitainia and says, "We are never going to get out of here. They just have too much ammo to throw at us. We'll in all probability get shot down quick if we pop up." His girlfriend smiles evilly and says, "I have an idea." She picks up several stuffed cartoon devil souvenir dolls and begins to heave them at the Fundamentalist Extreme goons over the countertop. Shouts of "Augh!!! Satan!!! Get him off me!!" and similar ephitets echo from their ranks as the souvenirs connect. Doug and Kitainia take the moment of distraction to leap out of cover and take out several of the group with their shotgun and laser. A small percentage, including Dave and Larry, manage to run away into other parts of the park. The duo nod at each other and head after them. Meanwhile in another section of Fiesta Texas, Borgis has discovered the concession stands. "Sugar," he mumbles repeatedly as he chows down on all the food there. "Sugar, sugar, sugar, SUGAR!!! Ya, I am Cornborgio!!" The moron then flails about wildly and pulls his shirt up over his head as he walks off chanting the usual Cornholio lingo. Looks like trouble with him is ahead. The screen fades out. To be continued next time. **END THIS POST AND RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, December 2, 1998 12:44:16 AM
IP: hil-c45-033-vty132.as.wcom.net

**RP** [Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, SJ, Frankie, the two Doom Commando cyber-imps, Dark Mage Wilek, and the two vampire eagles are at SJ's lab, preparing to restore the ranks of the Doom Commandoes. Wilek: "They're almost done. SJ didn't tell me what they'd be this time. Eep." DMW: "So, who is this General Zale Doug mentioned?" W: "I dunno. Maybe we'd better put our Dark Jedi hunt on hold till we take care of this idiot."] **PAUSE RP**

Deuce> Regarding the cyber-b**** from h***...do *all* of it. >:) And do Traveler and Coyote's suggestions as well.

Traveler> You might want to get ThunderByte Anti-Virus. It has a heuristics program that can detect viri it doesn't even have profiles for: Every half-hour (adjustable), it scans EXEs, DLLs, and certain other files to see if they've changed in any way. Causes a few false alarms sometimes, but the security is worth it. I *think* you can get it at the site I've linked to.

Mandi> Yeah...I read that; that's why I asked. Hee hee hee. Such language...kidding! :) (How does one submit one's own petition entry?)

Kyryn> I forgot this in my last post: My sincerest condolences about your friends. Man, what are the chances of two such tragedies happening so close together?!

Fleur> Forgot this last time too: Oh, it's your birthday! Best wishes dearie!

Doug> Thanks for the list! Um, you might like to ask MDY's permission before using that icon. But you probably already knew that so telling you was really pointless. :P Heh, I didn't even know about the OP Fanfic Plug power's full effect...

JEB> Hm, you're doing custom OP cards...I wonder if my WCC characters would be welcome additions...

Object in Arizona> Miriam acted kinda miffed when she heard about that. She made a very irate phone call to her organization, something about terribly inadequate maintenance of stealth machinery. Hm.

Durid> To download a story, right-click its hyperlink and choose "Save Target As..." from the menu. It may be worded differently on your browser though.

Robby> WHERE THE BLUE TIN BLAZES DO YOU KEEP ALL THOSE COMIX?!?!?! I have enough trouble finding places for my six or seven Spawn figures! Also, regarding Sailor Moon censorship, there's a whole plotline where Artemis has a crush on Luna that was cut from the US version for no diiscernible reason. Also, there's a running gag about Rei's Grandpa or whoever he is being kind of...oh how shall I put this... [Jake: "How 'bout girl-crazy?"] Yeah...

Weirdest creativity demon I've ever had> Fox divorces Davie and marries Mulder. Think about it.

Speaking of my website...I've already got HTML docs and a second fanfic written, but I'm having a slight confidence crisis as to whether they're worth putting up. Anyone want me to e-mail the whole package to you (quite small; don't worry about download time) and prove me wrong? (Heh, my plugs are so shameless I don't even give warnings. :P)

**RESUME RP** [SJ: "Guys, they're ready!" Just then, the three replacement Doom Commandoes stalk in. Like their predecessors, they have cybermechanical implants and gargoyle wings and limbs...but they're not cyberdemons and imps this time. Jake: "Dude, you are twisted." The new Doom Commandoes are an Arch-Vile from Doom II, a Tank Commander from Quake II, and a Heresiarch from Hexen. W: "Wow. I don't think we'll have much trouble from here on out..."] **END RP**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 11:17:46 PM
IP: tnt-2-123-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Do not attempt to adjust your monitor. We control all that you see and hear. We control the vertical, we control the horizontal... wait, wait, don't scroll past, only kidding!!

Yeesh, some people... ;)

Wilek> Looking forward to your website. :)

Garg-Fans Archive> I am VERY impressed with the new archive, Definitely worth having it down for a few months if this is what we got in return. :)

Fleur> Happy belated birthday! And thanks. :)

Doug> Thanks muchly. :) You'll see them up on my weekend update, along with stats and specials for some of the sets. :)
Oh, and love the stats in here too, keep 'em coming!

Stephen> Hm. Back problems ain't a picnic. I oughtta know. I say go to the doctor- it's rare that back pain goes away on its own, in my experience, but one quick trip to a M.D. and you can get it fixed right fast. In any case, get better soon. :)
(That was pointless. <:)

Arizona UFO> Hm. Interesting, that is. Wonder what's with that? We are not alone? ;) How many saw it, exactly, and how was it determined to be a mile long?

Krystiana> Y'know, I haven't heard from her in a while either... maybe she's just busy with RL.

Eyes> It may not have started out that way, and became a rule later- or maybe the animators just made an error? (Goliath had pink glowing eyes in "City Of Stone" I, remember.)

Traveler> CIH Virus? Never heard of that one... sucks that you lost the C drive, but at least the other partitions got away safe. <:)

Registry> A question- would it be worth it to post some statistics about the Registry on the page? How many Gargoyles fans live in what group of countries, states, etc., percentages, and the like. Should I bother adding it this weekend?

We now return control of your Comment Room to you... until next time...
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 11:15:06 PM
IP: 201-9-21.ipt.aol.com

Hmm... Censorship. gotta hate it... Today's new episode of Sailor Moon is missing a full minute of footage I know is there from my Japanese import copy. (The scouts are all tied to crosses. Gee, wonder why that got cut?) Come to think of it, most of the american episodes are missing stuff from the Japanese versions, including the plot.

SJ- X-men and gargs HAS been done before, and not too well. If you think you can do a good job, go for it. If not, stick to the sandman crossover which would be much cooler anyway. And as far as Kari goes, she has your number, and I'll make sure you get another copy of hers... (I think she likes you!)

JEB- The FF powers being caused by Phoenix? I don't remember exactly where I read that, but its SOMEWHERE in my collection of 2,000 comics...

OF which over 400 are Ninja Turtles, over 100 are Sonic the Hedgehog, over 100 are Elfquest, (All complete sets!) well more than a thousand are Marvel and DC, and a whole bunch of independant stuff like Antarctic Press' material... (Incidentally, I also own just about every Disney video and soundtrack made in my lifetime... I have 14 versions of the song "Can You Feel The Love Tonight"!)

Spike- I hurt myself laughing. 'Nuff said. And is that another one of those nasty hints of things to come you slipped in there? If its what I think it is, I'm gonna go nuts in the next two weeks... Wait, I'm already nuts...

Fleur- Sounds like a bad week to me. I'll proofread your stuff! I have WAAAY too much free time, and I'm told I'm a pretty thourough proofreader...
And you came nowhere NEAR Traveler's record... His monster took me 12 clicks to get through, you took 4...

Doug- Personally, I like it when the CR fills up. I mean, it was kinda boring last week when no one was posting due to Thanksgiving related absenses... And Kenny's overpower stats work well...

Ravyn- Well, since the UFO did happen, I have ideas what Jim will get into when I RP again...

Lawrence Stone- Demona's eyes going white were a miscoloring. In fact, its a problem Disney has fixed. The last time I saw those episodes, her eyes went red, like they should. (In fact, Disney has done some MAJOR corrections on some episodes. Look at "Long Way To Morning"! Originally the worst drawn episode of the series, its been cleaned up incredibly well!) And Thailog's eye problem was due to the cloning, as said earlier. However, I don't think the eye coloring counts with garbeasts, since Boodika's eyes were white, and she was later revealed to be female...

Deuce- A.

Lastly, I have plans for a a Christmas present I'm going to give all of you, but I have to make sure I can pull it off before I talk any more about it, so, silence on the matter for now. If I can't pull it off and someone mentions this come the 25th, I'll improvise...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 11:00:39 PM
IP: spider-we023.proxy.aol.com

**RP!!**The fight between Ravyn and the gang of ninjas continues alongside the tank. Though Ravyn is certainly holding her own, Coyote turns the turret of the tank just over their brawl.**

FIRE!

**A shot recoils over the brawlers, bringing the fight to an abrupt end as all the ninjas jump off of Ravyn.**

Quick, Jason, the crossbows!

**Jason leaps out of the hatch, tossing a crossbow up to Coyote and then pointing his own at the ninjas. Ravyn reaches into her hatch and gets a weapon of her own (your choice, Rav.).**

You all right?

<"I've been better.">

Okay, now that this is under control, let's make some replies ...

"Return": Thanks a lot for all the commentary on the story. **bows deeply** I love you, man! **loud yells of "YOU'RE NOT GETTING MY BUD LIGHT!!"**

Spike: Acclaim well deserved. I haven't laughed that long in a day's age!

Doug: You're quite welcome. **SPOILER!!**And I didn't mention this last night, but there's an added incentive in the new hybrid: the Rokkan half of her came from Liberty's ex-mate, which would make her (in technical terms) Liberty's step-daughter. Oh, how twisted I've become (I've been taking lessons from Spike and Christine, I think! ;)! **END SPOILER!**

Christine: I've been dropping enough hints at my mom ... and she's got no excuse about working either (she gets Web access there, *plus* I gave her the Sabledrake URL!!)!

Ravyn: No problemo. And I apologize for the Gearhead's breath ... I think he takes after my father's side of the family when it comes to boozing. I'd ride along with your head out of a hatch for a while if I were you.

Deuce: Go with A. Please. Less legal trouble, and less headaches for you.

Traveler: Want some tech advice? My uncle's a system analyst for HDS (Hitachi Data Systems) and has some experience dealing with viruses on a mainframe level. I could pass along your problems (i.e. the virus) and see what he has to say about the topic.

**RP!!**

**The ninjas are suddenly transported out by Guod, only to be replaced by Coyote's worst nightmare ... Preston.**

<"Didn't like my ninjas, Coyote? I'm sure they liked your little friend here." "HEY! Don't call me 'little!'">

Get away from her, freak. **Coyote levels the crossbow at Preston.** If you haven't noticed, I've got the high ground here.

<"High ground is in the eye of the beholder!">

**The earth shakes under the tank, dropping it into a sinkhole. At least, its rear end drops in; just in time, Buick hits the gas and just keeps it from falling completely in. Preston looks down on the tank.**

<"Who's got the high ground now, fatso?">

**Having seemingly forgotten about Ravyn, Preston is suddenly taken by surprise by her as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 10:26:18 PM
IP: modem48.i-is.com

Anyone here familiar with the "CIH" virus, or any of its' varients? I ask because the C:\ part of my HD just got eaten. Let this be a lession to all of you who don't continually check for anti-virus updates. Mine kept missing it until I got fed up and upgraded it. Then it tells me that most of the REALLY imporant Windows folder program files are infected, and that it CAN'T dis-infect them. SO I HAD TO ERASE THEM AND THEN FORMAT THE DRIVE. I managed to save my Netscape mail files, and a few other things, but for the most part the whole partision was a loss, including my bookmarks files!!!! AAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!! At least my mp3 files were left alone.... So I've been re-building and re-installing almost everything for the past 36hrs. Lord knows how long it'll take me to re-build all my bookmarks.....

>Deuce- So you really want to burn her? Hack into her account, then use it to send a few death threats, intent to harm, generaly menicing letters to the President of the USA. That's right, get good 'ole Bill Clintion's personal army do something about her. At the very least the SS will start a file on her which will follow her around for the rest of her life.>:)) Example: While tring to get into the USA for one reason or another, she is one of the unlucky people who are routinely pulled over at the boarder and inspected. Bill, or the current Pres. just happens to be in the area. Then they run her name through the computer; *BLAM!* Miss, come with us. *this is the part where the SS Agents show up, interagate her, and then hold her until the Pres is out of the area, deport her back to Canada, or both.>:) Yes my friend, limit her access to an entire country! Also, don't let Igor have all the fun, torch her lawn with him or by yourself!

More responses later when I get this thing off of life support.

P.S.- HAPPY BIRTHDAY FLEUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 09:42:11 PM
IP: 208-28-103.ipt.aol.com

Deuce> My suggestion would be a), although the others sound fun. If she is sending you abusive mail or spamming you, she can get kicked off hotmail. Personally, if you know who she is and she is under eighteen, let her parents know. It'll probably get her in big trouble with them.

Gone for the night.
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 08:49:36 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Clarification: "Her" is the evil girl sending me letters, "mail-bomb" would be 5,000 e-mails to her account, and I am deadly serious about every single option on that list (including Igor, who is a real person and does real things like that).
Deuce
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 08:41:49 PM
IP: dialin010.connect.ab.ca

*sighs* Great. More evil e-mails. I need your opinions on this. Should I:

a) Inform "abuse@hotmail.com" that one of their upstanding clients is actually an evil bitch in disguise;
b) Hack into her Hotmail account, change the password, and send all her friends (if she has any) nasty letters;
c) Ignore her (booo-ring!);
d) Mail-bomb her; or
e) Figure out who it is and hire my friend Igor (not real name) to torch her lawn. I think his going rate is about five bucks.

Any ideas?
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 08:40:20 PM
IP: dialin010.connect.ab.ca

No RPing today.

Durid> All I know is that it is nonfiction and has something to do with politics and history. He's being real secretive about it. It will probably be a long time before it ever gets published, since I do know that he's only on the second chapter. :)

Christine> I'm working my way through your fics. Just got finished with the Christmas story. Hudson and Bronx - LOL. I liked the carolling. I'm glad that I got to read it during the Christmas season.

Spike> ROTFLMAO and having to keep quiet about it since I'm reading this at work!

Fleur> Happy Belated Birthday!

I'm off for the evening. Gotta go shopping and feed the Patchcat ( it's important to keep the kitty on your good side)

Waves to everyone.
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 08:25:49 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Sliders is on the Scifi channel on Mondays.

Stephen Sobotka (sp) has his own webpage and is working on the sage. I'm impatient myself the artwork he has for the series is wonderful.

Starsinger


Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 08:17:25 PM
IP: proxy-351.public.rwc.webtv.net

Durid< I guss you are right about thalogs eyes glowing red. But I guss I have to see that one Gargoyles eyes glowing an orangy cooler in the first Gargoyles episode ever.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 08:11:39 PM
IP: cacheflow.bright.net

Lawrence Stone: I can answer that one, about Thailog at least. Rember That Thailog is a clone of Goliath, and the rapid gwroth process used on him messed up his coloration, though it gave him the body of a fully grown Gargoyle. If you rember, the rest of the clone's eyes glowed dirrfent colors, including red.

However, I am not sure about that red-female, white-male thing in the the TV series. Rember right at the beginning that one of the flying gargoyles in the first viking attack on the castle had organge glowing eyes. He flew right at the camera if you rember.
Durid
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 07:50:34 PM
IP: dialupj115.mpls.uswest.net

Liked the new I guss crossover episode.

Back in the summer , some of you were talking about why Male and Female Gargoyles eyes gloweg white and red. But in the episods -Legion and High Noon Coldfire/Desdemona eyes glowed white. But in the TGS Dark Ages series, her eyes glow red, also Thalogs eyes golwed red, and he is a male gargoyle.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 07:43:26 PM
IP: cacheflow.bright.net

Sorry for the double post, but I have one question for the new Archive. Is there any way to DL just the orginal htlm or txt verson of the story? I don't exactly have the ability to reamin connected to the internet for the 3 hours it takes to read them. Thanks!
Durid
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 07:39:08 PM
IP: dialupj115.mpls.uswest.net

Mandi Ohlin: Hey, when and where is sliders on? I have been missing it since it was taken off mainstream TV!

Nicodemus: I don't think so. Most of Banshee's magic is tied up in her voice. But not all, she still has her 'natural' powers of the third race (shapeshifting mainly if I rember, and some ESP). Just not the mid to high-powered stuff, like turning a steel wall into rust with a single wail, or flying.

Kyryn: What book would that be? I would like to see it when it comes out. Still waiting for Cristine Morgans book to hit the local stores.

Sevarius Jr.: X-men/Gargoyles crossover? It's been done quite a few times already, and I can't say I am happy at the results. Those two universes are just too diffrent, unless you could take a few chacters from one universe and put them in the other, I don't think it would work.

Doug: Good luck! I am addmintly just reading your Hulk/Gargoyle crossover. Then I will get to your other stories. Hope they're good, you certinly put alot of work into them.

Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr.: Hey, any realation to the Stephen Sobotka who wrote the Generations Saga? If so, when are you going to continue that?

Ravyn Maza: Heheh, in all likelyhood, that is a new expermental aircraft. I rember "UFO"s in the past look like todays Stealth Bombers.

And once again, has anyone heard from Krystiana? I still haven't heard anything from her.
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 07:31:35 PM
IP: dialupj115.mpls.uswest.net

Spike > funny story. It was good. can't wait for your next one.

Standards and Practices > I try to keep mostly to the feel of the series, although I sometimes find myself skirting over the edge. I don't do erotic or overly violent stuff, but I tend to do rather mature themes that wouldn't go over well on a kids show. These things include character death or sexual inuendos.

Mandi > I don't have finals until the week after you do. I have five tests over four days, and the two hardest are on the last day.

Thought for the day
"Secrets have a way of getting out."
T. j. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 07:17:04 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

Sorry about the garbled message. For some reason it chewed it up. Durid gave you the synopsis of the last Highlander episodes. When I first saw it was excited, seeing all the beginning credits show all our favorite characters, then i got worried. Uh-oh, this is that last episode. This little blue dragon was fit to be tied.
Saw that the fanfic sight was up, just reminds me of how many stories there are out there. You know i think on the Xena and X file fanfictions are larger. A
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 06:55:05 PM
IP: 134.71.30.108

Mandi: You don't have it? Oh well, I'll just upload it to the archive this weekend. Chris should have his problems fixed by then. Thanks just the same. Once again, if anyone wants a copy of my stories, please feel free to e-mail me.
Doug
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 05:51:37 PM
IP: hil-c45-059-vty241.as.wcom.net

**RP!**
**Ravyn is tank-surfing on the top of Coyote's tank. As the tank rolls under a low overhang, a guy dressed like a ninja
jumps onto the top of the tank. Ravyn screams and punches him, and he rolls off the tank and onto the ground. "Whew! That was close!" Suddenly, the RP freezes as Rav turns to make some comments...**

Robby> Yup, that actually happened here in Arizona. The object was probably a mile long, and flew over about 100 miles of Arizona starting from above Prescott and ending somewhere south of Phoenix, where it shot straight up into the night and disappeared. As it flew over Phoenix, witnesses say that two F-16s from the air force base took off and flew towards the object, but later the air force denied that ever happening. Our governor came out and said that "it would be investigated," but I haven't heard of them doing anything about it yet. Typical government. ;) But it does seem like the X-Files, and right in my backyard! :)

Coyote> Mmm...yup, that was the part of "Ice Wars" that I caught. ;) I like the Overpower card ideas too. And thanks for lettin' me tag along in your tank! It's too cool. :)

YAY! The archive's back up!!! I can't wait to have time so I can go read all the new stories, plus Coyote's and the TGS ep! I'll be commenting on them as soon as I read 'em...;)

**RP CONTINUES...**
**Ravyn has decided to climb back inside the tank while the battle outside rages on. "Need any help, Coyote?" She asks. Coyote, busy driving, says, "Nope." Ravyn shrugs and sits down, until she hears footsteps from outside. She opens the hatch, and is immediately kicked in the face. Wiping her lip, Rav faces her opponent, another ninja, and growls. "All right, tough guy, you're askin' for it..." She tackles the ninja, only to be tackled herself by three more. The brawling group rolls off the tank onto the ground and the battle continues...**
Ravyn Maza
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 05:07:21 PM
IP: 207.204.224.14

Fleur> I'll be happy to proofread/edit your fics. E-mail 'em to me and let me know what format they're in.
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 04:41:22 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Doug--Searched through my hard drive, and no sign of "Masterpiece." *sigh* I also left my disks at home, one of which had most of my updates to my current in-progress Garg fic on it. :( I'll still take it, though!

<<Yes, I know the last of Kenny's specials will hurt him more than it helps, but I couldn't resist putting it in! :)>> Hey, do you see us complaining? Hehehe...

GFW fic archive--On my end, the author forms are working fine. I haven't had time to do the major rewriting I've promised on "Sky's the Limit" to post, but I did finally manage to change my e-mail and add my home page link.

As for page updates in general--ugh, it serves me right for giving myself a deadline. I have class from 6 to 9, a hall meeting at ten, and probably will spend the rest of the night helping decorate for the Holiday Tea hall competition (since my residence hall actually has some competition this year) so updates today are doubtful. At least I don't have a Tuesday evening class next semester. And I just might actually get to do some enjoyable work-study (helping with HTML for the college web site) too...time will tell...

Wilek--Congrats on the web space!

Spike--If "My Lady Fair" is about who I think it's about, YES! YES! YES! (So I like Griff and Brianna. So sue me.) If it's not, YES! YES! (it's still a Spike ep) :)

Christine--December 9th? Aagh! I've gotta hurry!

Until whenever,

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 03:39:14 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Spike > LOLOLOL! Omigod! Waa-hoo! That was great! With a mind like that, I can't _imagine_ why S&P would be on your case! ; )

Doug > hey, waitaminute, what was that remark about "good taste"? Are you implying that Jericho is not ... well ... he's not ... okay, never mind ; )

Helpful Holiday Hint > an autographed copy of a novel makes a wonderful gift for the reader on your shopping list ...

Reminder > Avalon Mists deadline coming soon! Next Wednesday, Dec. 9!

Self-glory > I dunno ... that's why _I_ do it ... ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 02:05:38 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Heh-heh. Just came back from the fanfic archive. When it's finally fixed, it'll be great. As for now, errors abound, I'm locked out of my accounts, and EVERY SINGLE STORY is rated PG-13. Other than that, it's awesome.

There was something else I wanted to say, but now I forget....
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 01:47:43 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

*blushes and hides behind her hoop skirts*

Oh, hush. Y'all are gonna embarrass me now.

*laughs* But thanks for all your kind comments on my little jaunt into the afterhours activities of the Unseelie court. You'd NEVER guess who had the most troubles with the S&P people with her TGS stories, now would you?
Glad you've enjoyed my little story.

Coming in two weeks: A return to the woods in "My Lady Fair."
Spike
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 12:13:18 PM
IP: dal-as3-2103.cmpu.net

*blushes and hides behind her hoop skirts*

Oh, hush. Y'all are gonna embarrass me now.

*laughs* But thanks for all your kind comments on my little jaunt into the afterhours activities of the Unseelie court. You'd NEVER guess who had the most troubles with the S&P people with her TGS stories, now would you?
Glad you've enjoyed my little story.

Coming in two weeks: A return to the woods in "My Lady Fair."
Spike
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 12:13:05 PM
IP: dal-as3-2103.cmpu.net

SPIKE> Love the story! <snerk!> And you said you southern bells aren't supposed to write about that sort of thing! :)P

GFW> Some reason, I can't get in to edit my profile . . . hope Chris gets it fixed soon.

New Ep: Kudos once again to the staff . . . We did it again! :)

Sorry I haven't been writing in here as of late. I did something to my back over the holiday, and the pain is almost more than I can take . . . been trying to deal with it at home, but if it gets worse, then I'll be off to the Doctor pronto.

Will talk to you all soon. Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 10:31:17 AM
IP: 207.170.232.113

** walks in, tears rolling down his face. Deuce is holding his stomach and trying desparately not to laugh. **

I just finished Spike's story. ROTFLMAO the whole time. More amusing than erotic, I have to say, but nevertheless an excellent piece of work (regardless of the intended venue). Come to think of it, I wouldn't expect anything less from Spike. (See what you've done? You have to keep getting better and better to meet our quickly raising standards of you!)

GFW> Hehehe... *Deuce cringes, having locked himself out of the archive TWICE now*

Bye for now....

** leaves **


Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 10:10:33 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

DOUG - That's where I got the idea for the Brocken being the Unseelie Court's home, actually. (I considered Bald Mountain at one point, which had a similar reputation and allowed for the possibility of a Disney in-joke with "Fantasia", but the Brocken struck me as geographically more manageable).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 07:20:07 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-72.primary.net

**BEGIN RP FIRST HALF** The screen comes on, Doug is shown dashing onto the main jet car of "The Joker's Revenge", the biggest and baddest roller coaster Fiesta Texas has. Jose Fuertes and his three remaining Vayas Comos Ninjas underlings leap on just behind. Doug ducks down in the car to avoid their shots at him, in the same motion throwing a baseball at the coaster's main control panel. It hits the start button and the car begins rolling, everyone inside hanging on for dear life. Having been on this ride before, Doug calmly lowers the restraint bar over himself and ignores the screaming bad guys as he enjoys the ride's twists and turns. Right in the middle of it all, he turns to face the CR. **RP PAUSE FOR NOW**

Note to everyone: If you can't enjoy yourself inventing and enacting creative ways to handle your enemies, you're not doing things right. Likewise for anyone who wants to write some action in a big amusement park and doesn't include a scene like this. <grin>

Had to re-read Faust tonight for an English paper I was writing on it, I noticed that Faust and Mephisto visit the Brocken and talk about all its associated legends within. Quite interesting that they talk about how it's always been associated with demons and witches. Apparently the witches of the world are supposed to get together there for a big gathering and satanic ceremony every May Day's Eve. I wonder if that will figure into any upcoming TGS eps. I'm very deliriously happy about finishing that paper by the way, so forgive me if I joyfully indulge myself several times in this post.

Spike: *SPOILER ALERT* I too read that story you sent us. Nice job. It's been forever since I've read a good working erotic story that could also make me laugh. It's truly delightful, everyone here should check it out. But be warned, it is erotic, so please put your inhibitions and squeamishness aside if any resides in you to fully enjoy the tale. *SPOILERS END*

Coyote: Thanks for the help getting back our truck, hopefully Tyl's crashing it through a battle, a fence, and a crater didn't damage it too much. I'm more worried about any viruses he could have put into its computer interface systems or those of the Mech. Hopefully, Gubio can figure out and fix any he finds. *WE HAVE MORE SPOILERS, CAPTAIN!!* Read your latest, too. Nice job. I liked the Rokkan-garg hybrid and the character development you did for Demona, Alex, Graeme, Liberty, Rosanna, and Rain. Nice cliffhanger at the end there, too. Keep it up, man, keep it up! *SHIELDS HAVE OBSERVED THE SPOILER DAMAGE, MR. SOCK! THE SHIP IS SAFE ONCE MORE!* I liked your INWO card idea, too.

Standards & Practices: I generally try to follow the show's original standards and feel in my own work, mixed with some of my own ideas. I do violence, but not gore unless it's necessary to the scene (e.g. the Beowulf scene in my latest work-in-progress). I also do love dialogue, but not blatant outright sex (which I'm not very good at writing anyway). I do make a few commercial references in my work, always for things I've really enjoyed and want other people to enjoy as well (such as Christine's novel), or things I really enjoy poking fun at (like Arnold's "I'll be back" line, and in future fics Barney and the whole Beanie Baby craze). I also end up making commercial references to all the shows I crossover with, guess that's unavoidable. Even so, it falls under the same category as Christine's book. Often I do have violence, suggestive dialogue, and mature themes in my work. If so, I always say so in the description warning so innocent minds can avoid. Or at least I think I've done that with every story I've written so far. :) Good taste is definitely also a factor in what I write, lust spells and incest are definitely out! Not premarital sex or violence, though. I see those as a part of real life, and that's what in my stories I try to decipt. Real life, with numerous fantasy and sci-fi elements mixed in, but a real-life-like saga nonetheless. Glad that so far I'm doing it well (or at least people tell me so).

Wilek: I also like how the Unseelie are the Seelie's dark mirror, that is very cool. Thanks for telling me where the gargoyle construction icon is, I'll pick it up when I get my webpage built. The effect of Kathy's comment on you is the principle on which my Fanfic Plug OverPower special works, suprised no one has commented on that. Look down below for Janice Ripowski and Kenny the CR Lawyer's proposed cards. If I'm not mistaken, your party currently contains Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, SJ, Frankie, two DC cyber-imps, Dark Mage Wilek, and his two vampire birds. Thailog has recently sent General Zale and his militia to hunt DMW down and kill him and everyone who gets in the way, so I'd be very careful in the days ahead. After all, Zale is about as heavily armed as the US military thanks to everything he's had produced at Area 51's factories, if not even more dangerous. I'm sure you can handle him, of course. Good luck. Congrats on your webpage, too. It looks very nice so far. :)

Anonymous: Well, whoever you are, you're going about your demand for more comments on the TGS eps the wrong way. Making a whole post where you flame us for having fun sharing our own work is not a good way to get us to accept you as a fellow poster. It could also be construed as a violation of the rule not to make a post that talks only about the RP. Plus, it's not good to tell us to make more TGS-related comments in our posts when you make none yourself. Lead by example as well as rhetoric, and you could achieve more. For the rest of my feelings on your view, read Kitainia and Theresa's comments. They make the reasons why the RP is here to stay very very clear.

Alright! The fanfic archive is back up!! Now if we could only submit new works to it as well as read the old. **PLUG ALERT** Until we do get that possibility, I'm still offering copies of "Masterpiece" and "Clash of the New Olympians" to whoever wants to enjoy them. "Through the Ages" I am working on, and may get finished tomorrow night now that my paper is out of the way. I'll post the other two new ones I have to the archive this weekend, hopefully. For now, I am just extremely glad the archive has finally returned.

Mandi: You can still put "Masterpiece" up if you want. It's going to be some time before I can post new works to the archive (Both its current lack of a new submission form and my professors are to blame). Still have your copy or do I need to send it again?

Durid: Glad that Methos didn't die at the end of Highlander, I wanted to incorporate that whole show into my universe, just like I'm doing with Buffy and Fox's Spiderman. Methos getting bumped out of the picture would greatly impact my future plans for him. Connor, Duncan, Methos, and Joe Dawson are all going to show up again in my work several times. Amanda may make a few cameos, but Highlander: The Raven will not be incorporated into the tales. I'll also have a few original Quickling immortals (my term for the Highlander type). One has already appeared in my work several times (but he doesn't know what he is yet), the second (VJON) is in the next story, and the third is going to be a Kurgan-type recurring villain who's a member of the WTA.
SJ: Thanks for the comments, I'm glad you like my work. The two fics that I've completed but haven't ben able to post were sent to your e-mail. Enjoy!

**PLUGS OVER NOW**

Kathy: I'm looking very forward to all those stories you mentioned, whenever they get aired!

Nicodemus: Thanks for the great Banshee info.

Fleur: Happy Birthday. I liked that living luggage sidekick of yours a lot, let's say all the unnamed citizens of Highland that Borgis and Butt-Borg assimilated (not Stuart, the Andersons, the teachers, Earl, Kyler, Lolita and Tanqueray, Alphonse, or Todd's gang) were among the ones it killed. And the assimilated party member was one of the unnamed guests who followed us from Coyote's mansion. We have plans for everyone who's been named we do not want upset. Thanks for your participation and the nice info about your life.

Robby: Some people hate the CR getting so big so quickly. Others thrive on and welcome it, like DumlaoX and myself. :) Thanks for your RP comments, hope we can continue the spiffiness in posts to come.

JEB: Of course you can, that's why I sent you those descriptions. You may also add whatever RP character and special card descriptions I post in here. To satiate everyone's longing for them, here are two more:

Character (E-F-S-I Stats)- Specials (what each does). *= OPD

1. Janice Ripowski (2-4-4-6): Sidearm* (works as a Level 6 Strength, Fighting, or Energy attack, only a defensive special can block); Negotiator (avoid one attack); FBI Connections (remove one permanent record hit); Annoy With Da Rules (target opponent must attack her sometime during battle, with -2 penalty to attack); Research and Investigation (opponent may not make intellect attacks on Janice for remainder of battle); Gov't Liasion (Level 6 Intellect attack); Arrest (remove Janice and target from play for current turn).

2. Kenny the CR Lawyer (4-5-6-6): Lawsuit Threat (avoid 1 attack); Lawyer Skills (Level 5 Intellect attack); Provoke (works same as Annoy With Da Rules above); Hold Up Case (target opponent must delay action until end of turn); Subpeona (opponent must reveal all character cards in hand); Crazy Lawyer Death* (targeted opponent must immediately attack Kenny with their most powerful special, this attack may be combined with an energy power card or another special, only a defensive special may block the attack).

Yes, I know the last of Kenny's specials will hurt him more than it helps, but I couldn't resist putting it in! :)

Okay, that's all I have to say tonight. Later all!
**BACK TO RP** Doug turns to look over his shoulder as the coaster finally rolls to a stop. Jose's three underlings have all tumbled out while in transit, to painful bonebreaking deaths on the pavement beneath the track. Jose himself is very winded and disoriented from the ride, but has managed to hang on. He has dropped his first gun and is currently reaching for his second. Doug notices this and quickly blows his enemy away with his own gun before Jose can fire at him once more. As the screen fades out, Doug hops off the coaster and heads on into the park.**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 01:53:40 AM
IP: hil-c45-069-vty81.as.wcom.net

Usual random comments.

Coyote--Yeah, I might still keep a backup archive. After 3:15 tomorrow (and a ton of apologies to a certain English prof) I'll be back to work on the web page. We'll see. Besides, it appears that the submission forms are at least allowing authors access, although I need to work on getting that old e-mail changed...

On Spike's fic--LOL!!! Absolutely priceless! It definitely would never get past S&P, but I loved it! Especially Brendan and Margot entering at the end...

Fleur--Happy (now it's belated) birthday!!! Vent all you like, I understand the need. :)

Wilek--But of course I've been to Get Off Our Planet! Didn't you read my two-year-old mini-rant in the petition? ;)

Midterms? I envy those who do--final exams are next week!!! (But I get to go home on the 12th, so it's not all bad.)

That's it, it's one-thirty, my floor is clear, my paper's done, I'm going to bed. Night all!

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 01:29:40 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Sorry 'bout the double post, I'll make it quick.

Before anyone corrects me, it _was_ still November 30th when I started to post, or at least, I thought it was.

JEB> You're welcome, and no, I haven't registered yet. I'll go do it ASAICGATI (As Soon As I Can Get Around To It.)

Wilek> Congratulations! Let me know when you've set your page up!

Spike> you are one sick-minded individual.. I like that. >:) I really needed all the laughs your story provided. Oh, and thanks to Kitainia for letting me know it was there.

TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 01:29:38 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

**RP STUFF**
Scene: Fleur and Luggage appear in the park - right in the middle of a group of Borg. Fleur pulls out her blade, and starts dealing with them, but wouldn't have stood a chance, if not for the Luggage. Trying to assimulate a muderous, evil-minded Box on legs is impossible, especially when any borg that gets close to him gets eaten..., or whatever it is that Luggage does to them. After a few moments, the borg decide that Fleur is not worth assimulating, at least, not while that box is around her. The borg walk off. (at least, the few still capable of doing so, walk off. The rest just lie there, and Luggage kicks one.) Fleur realises that she cannot fight them all on her own, so she kneels down and scratches Luggage behind one of his handles. His back legs start moving, like a dog's.
"Thanks Luggage. Between saving me from the Borg and the Voice War combatants, you've more than repaid me for removing those termites. You'd better get back to Rincewind. Knowing him, he probably needs you."
The Luggage runs back in the direction of the still-smoldering mansion, and Fleur turns to make a few comments.
**END RP**

Hello again!
<Fleur notices something>
WILD! It's still November 30th in here! Well, this is one way to make your birtday last for days. <g> And frankly, my birtday is just about the only good thing about these past two days. It's nothing really devestating, just disappointing. First my boss told me my contract runs out at the end of this week. I mean, I knew it was coming, (even though I didn't know _when_ exactly) and they're happy to have me back next year if my class times fit in, but it doesn't make the looming unemployment any easier to bear. *sigh*
Then I had an appointment today to get my car stereo put in (my birthday present), but at the last minute, the guy rang up and cancelled! He gave me the number of another guy, and, when I rang him, I find out the first guy does this all the time - if the car is over a certain age, he just rings up the people twenty minutes before he's meant to be there and tells them his car has broken down. *ggrrr!* I was really excited about driving around tonight with my new stereo blasting, but I guess I'm just going to have to wait a little while longer.
Finally (yes, there's more) I find out that the course I want to get into has changed. It's a little complicated, but basically, I didn't get a high enough TER to get into the course I wanted, which was Biomedical Science, so I went for the basic Science instead, because I knew that if I did well in the first year, I could transfer over to Biomedical. Now I find out that they've changed the course around so that it's now part of the Medical faculty, and they don't know if I can transfer over. But the lady told me I'd still be able to get the same qualifications from a science course as I would from a Biomedical course, which means my future isn't totally destroyed. Big disapointment though - the Biomed students do some really good stuff. *Sighs again, the decides not to keep dwelling on it.*
Hope I haven't bored anyone, I just needed to vent.

Coyote> Thanks again for the B'day wishes. oh, and BTW, 'Return' Rocked!! Anyone who hasn't read it, you are missing out on a lot!

Speaking of reading, I visited the BRAND NEW ARCHIVE, and it blew me away. WOW!!! Just one little thing. I know authors have to relog their password, and I'm a little lost as to _how_ they do that. I got into the author thing, and I had to put in my password when I did - was that enough, or do I have to do something else?
Also, is there anyone who would mind proof-reading my latest 'fics for me? I'd be happy to return the favour.

Kitainia> RP ref. Got it. :)

Anonymous> You have your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I just don't agree with you, and I'm entitled to that too. And I'm gonna leave it at that.

Oh, and I'm glad everyone who inavertantly offended everybody else has sorted it all out. If you haven't yet, please do so soon. (sorry, but I've gotten a bit confused as to who said what to whom.)

To all you poor cold people> he he! It about twenty-eight degrees celcius outside for me! I'm not gloating, I'm just really happy I'm not in your shoes, simply because I am not a winter person, and I would be really miserable if I were. (in your shoes, that is :) )

Okay, that's it from me. (except, of course, for the RP) Gee, do you think I've broken Traveller's record for longest post?
TTFN!

**MORE RP STUFF**
Fleur looks at one of the borg remains and suddenly recognises them as some unfortunate soul from the party. Fleur growls, then roars to the sky :
"YOU"VE GONE TOO FAR!! THEY WILL BE AVENGED!!"
**END RP**
that's another thing I've always wanted to say. :)
END POST.
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 01:12:22 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

Spike: Read the story. It was twisted ... and honestly one of the funniest TGS-related fics I've ever read. I don't know if that was intentional or not (or if it's just the fevered mind of a lunatic trying to hold together a coherent thought at 1 AM), but I was ROTFLMAO the whole time reading that. And all in all enjoying myself; it was a great read! The ending of the night when Brendan and Margot show up is pure *classic!!*
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 01:03:28 AM
IP: modem31.i-is.com

Hey everyone! Spike linked this story to the CR last week and I didn't notice it. Then she sent it to my e-mail tonight, and I had to read it. And guess what! It was great! Truly an erotic gem, even if TGS Standards and Practices would never accept it as canon. :) Every moment of dialogue, character, and plot is good. You all better click my name and read it, then tell Spike how well she's done! And, btw, Spike, thank you so much for the story's wonderful entertainment. :)
Kitainia
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 12:38:38 AM
IP: hil-c45-069-vty81.as.wcom.net

Wilek: Well, hi there Area51 neighbor!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 12:24:08 AM
IP: modem31.i-is.com

Guess what, everyone.
Wilek Nereus - [Clicky, clicky!]
Tuesday, December 1, 1998 12:06:53 AM
IP: tnt-1-81-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

I think I'll start trying to post regularly here again. I like it here. :)

Robby> The Phoenix Force had a role in the FF getting their powers? That's a new one on me... where'd you hear that?

Fleur> Thanks! :) Have you joined the Registry, perchance?

Doug> I read them. They look pretty kewl. :) Could I add them to the lists on my Gargs OP website? :)
As for OP being much easier to learn than most CCGs, I have to agree. Magic: The Gathering scared me away due to its rulebook's sheer size. OverPower is simple, straightforward, and fun. :)

Anonymous> Everyone is entitled to their opinion... but mayhaps one shouldn't state an opinion in such a way that it will obviously cause trouble?

My 200 cents. (That's $2.00 for the monetarily impaired. ;)

Coyote> Heheheheh, good card. ;)

Cyrway> Ambient Anarchists is done? Woo-hoo! Can't wait ta see it! :)

The Erlkonig? There's a neat poem on him I read in me German class...

Kyryn> Sorry to hear all that. <:[

I have GOT to find time to read Gargoyles: Clan Manhattan... it just sounds so neat. :) Heck, I gotta find time to read more of the TGS stories!


JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 11:57:22 PM
IP: 204-173-211.ipt.aol.com

**BEGIN RP
(on a sidenote, I assumed that when I did this: "****" People would have understand that I WAS ROLEPLAYING. Sorry, done venting.)

SJ and Frankie are cruising along in the Scimitar, headed for SJ's lab.
"I tell you, that Kari was quite the dancer. And a real looker too. I think she dug me!"
<Sweet. Did you get her phone number?>
"Of course I did, it's right---Crud. I left it back at the mansion."
<You mean the mansion that blew up?>
"......CRUD!"
***END RP FOR NOW****

The Archive is back up! Hopefully, if I beg and plead, they'll have room to post my little story I did a coupla weeks back.

Anonymous....If that is your real name: I'm gonna have to disagree with you about your views on talking about fan fic. In case you haven't noticed, except for the great TGS series, there is no continuing Gargoyles show. By writing our own Garg universes, we are keeping the show alive beyond just a simple comment room. Plus, they help our writing skills and are just plain fun. So if we want to talk about them now and again, what's the harm? We're sharing our own take on the show with others who are just as passionate about it as we are. I understand your concern, but I think you're wrong; from what I've seen here, no one consistently talks about their fics all the time.

Besides, what's wrong with a little self-promotion now and again? I'll use our good buddy Doug Elder for example. Doug's a great writer. And when he has a new fic done, he talks about it a little, and you know what? He sells it. He really makes me excited to read his stuff. So, talking about our fanfic is a GOOD thing. (By the way Doug, if the archive is back up, are you gonna post "Clash of the Olympians" anytime soon?)

Dan: Don't too feel bad, my friend. In jolly ol' England, they still say "throw another faggot on the fire!"
Of course, they mean something entirely different.

Wait a minute...Canada? Hello my friends from the Great Big Block of Ice!

***SPOILERS AHEAD******
Rory is back? I thought he was eaten! ;)
****GO BACK TO YOUR NORMAL LIVES******

Taleweaver: So that's how Highlander ended, huh? They cancelled that show, and put on this Raven crap? Why, If those executives were here now...*makes strangling motions with his hands*

Totally silly note: I have the new Alanis Morrisette song in my head and it won't come out. You heard it? It's pretty good, but it's stuck in my cerebellum! It hurts too, it's all pointy....

Warning: Tomorrow is December 1st. I will officially begin to think of Christmas. Since I think it's a travesty that the stores all put up Xmas decorations in, well, OCTOBER, I never think of Christmas till December first. Get those wish lists ready, I have to know what to buy all of you! Yes, it's Sevarius Jr.'s First Annual Holiday Giveaway!

Rudolph: It's a tradition at my house. I watch it every year!

Finally, I just want to throw out a couple of crossover fic ideas for you all, just to gauge interest for possible fics later: How would you guys like a X-Men/Gargoyle crossover, or a Gargoyle/Sandman (Neil Gaiman version) crossover? Give me some feedback.

****BEGIN ENDING RP****

SJ is on his cell phone. "Okay, uh huh. So you have her number? Okay, just let me grab a pencil or something. Hey Frankie, I got one of them Mexican midgets on the phone, he says he got Kari's phone number!"
<A midget? How'd he get it?
"Hell if I know, it's almost midnight here, and I'm outta jokes."

******THIS CONCLUDES OUR BROADCASTING SCHEDULE********



Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 11:32:52 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

Gee, we're past 100K and its only MONDAY!

On March 13, 1997, a large V shaped craft a mile long with about nine lights on any side and a gentle arc was seen hovering over Arizona. At least four video cameras caught sight of it, and thousands saw it from all around the city. Officials deny any knowledge about it, or even getting any phone calls about, which is a lie, since plenty of phone calls were made... Any thoughts people? (And no, this isn't X-Files related, it REALLY happened...)

Midterms are coming... Ugg... My condolances to anyone else suffering from this fate in the immediate future...

I would comment on the nasty exchanges earlier, but it seems things have already been sorted out and appologies have been given...

Doug, Jaden, the RP is getting spiffy. It might just be because its suddenly serious after two weeks of party, I don't know...

Coyote- Your RP however, was funny as usual, and as usual, I was LOL... And as for the twist in your stories, interesting...

Um, to everyone who answered my Highlander question, thanks. I think I've seen that one. Had no clue it was the final episode.

Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer- I actually enjoyed that, I hadn't seen it in years. Of course, visions of a certain scene from The Empire Strikes Back kept coming to mind...

Wilek- I have no doubt the death Kenny the CR Lawyer was hit with in the opening ceremonies can be topped, but mind you, this one was a noble death. As well, he never saw it coming because he thought it was a fake bomb...

Ah, its close enough to tomarrow I can post the countdown...

36 OR 37 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 11:20:56 PM
IP: spider-wb053.proxy.aol.com

Mandi: Maybe not. I don't know about you, but I'm planning on continuing to host Skydancer's fics as a backup in case the archive goes down again. Of course, if both the archive and Geocities go down at the same time, I'm SOL.

Incidentally ... I was posting fics to the Avalon Archive, but stopped. The main reason was because the stories wouldn't be added. The last fic I have posted there is "The Innocent Warrior," and that's after I sent them the stories between that one and "Soulscape" (consisting of "By the Grace of Oberon," "Ark of Destruction," and "Miles to Go Before I Sleep.") and they didn't post a single one. However, I am hoping that the GFW Archive has a different posting system in place now, so that I can *finally* post stories there as a backup. I couldn't do it with the old system because my browser version is too old (I'm running IE 3.01; the old upload function would only work with IE 3.02 or higher.). Merlin Missy: has this issue been addressed? I would *love* to post all 24 of my fics there if it would be possible. (i.e., any kind of FTP access, or an address that I can send fics to by e-mail)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 30, 1998 11:08:34 PM
IP: modem31.i-is.com

Theresa/Starsinger: I'm sorry if you thought I was rude.

I found it annoying and offensive to have it insinuated that people only make posts about their own stories here out of a thirst for "self glory." I've found keeping up on various authors' fic to be equally enjoyable to reading comments on TGS. And I think everyone should be able to RP to a certain extent in here...I don't take part in it much, but others should be able to. Incidentally, I've also not put any posts regarding my own fic here, though I thought I might when I had something new so that people would know...seeing that I haven't been able to add to Chris' website for a good year since my computer won't handle it. And I know Coyote archives his own stories too. Hopefully I'll be able to now that the site's been revamped. We post our story info here because we want to share our tales. I didn't even look at the IP when I replied because quite frankly I don't care who the anonymous person is--I have no personal quarrels with any individual. I just found that person's suggestion that own fics are mentioned here for "self glory" to be very insulting to friends of mine. And as a writer--sure, it's nice when people give me good comments on a fic...but that's not why I write them. I'd write them if no one was reading them. I post them to contribute my little piece to the fandom, and to share them with others.

My apologies to all who were offended.
Stormy
Monday, November 30, 1998 10:36:37 PM
IP: dynixpc4.huron.uwo.ca

**RP!** [Wilek and the rest of his team are gathered outside their landing craft and SJ and Frankie's TIE Scimitar. SJ: "So where to now?" Wilek: "Back to your lab to whip up some replacements for our dead cyberdemon and imps, then we try and figure out where Thailog's Dark Jedi allies are hiding." Miriam: "And how shall we go about this?" W: "Well, if I know Jerec like I think I do, his cloaked Super Star Destroyer is in orbit somewhere. Does the Dark Star have any sensors that can penetrate the cloak?" M: "There are crystal gravfield traps, but those are all down for maintenance." W: "WHAT?! All of them? Aren't there any spares?!" M: "All the CGT's were taken off the active reserves list when defects were discovered. Many are unusable, and the remainder are being repaired. I am *quite* suspcious..." BTW, it would be greatly appreciated if anyone who archives the CR's could post the most recent complete list of Wilek's team. He's forgotten who all is on it.] **PAUSE RP**

****NEW TGS EP SPOILERS AHEAD. WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING HERE?! GO READ IT! THEN COME BACK HERE.****
Just when you think it can't get any better...I LOVED every moment. A little worried about what will happen with Rory and Banshee though...You know, I noticed for the first time that the Unseelie aren't just the enemies of the Seelie, they're their dark mirror. I mean, look at them. Madoc, I think, is forming his own evil version of the court of Oberon. Appropriate since Madoc is himself Oberon's evil twin.
****END SPOILERS****

****SPOILERS FOR COYOTE'S NEW FIC****
Coyote, my mind is well and truly blown. A Rokkan Rosanna...a nightmare made real. Wow...and good luck with your scanner...You know, when you answered Kyryn and Kitainia's question, I kind of thought the answer would turn out something like what you said. <music from the Twilight Zone plays>
****END SPOILERS****

Several debates that appear to have started> I'm staying out of this one.

Mandi Ohlin> You wouldn't believe what I tripped over while surfing last night. Ever been to a little site called "Get Off Our Planet"? :) :) :)

Robby> The best Kenny death yet...but Forfexx says he can top it. Uh oh...Coyote's the only one in here who knows at this point, but 'Fexx is a complete psycho. This should be fun...

Coyote> Well, I know nothing about INWO, but that S8 card looks interesting. I wonder if you can make a card for Miriam's organization... :)

Merlin Missy> Thanks for alerting us to the state of the GFW Archive! I was there, and it's great. One thing though...Kiki The Weird's obviously G-rated "The Attack" and "The Escape" are listed as PG-13. Huh?

Theresa> Heh heh heh. I like your style. :)

Durid> Hey, we all make mistakes. To err is human. Or gargoyle or Fey or mutate or alien or cyborg or dragon or werewolf or hybrid or whatever else is out there. :)

kathy> You realize, of course, that your teasing is slowly but surely driving us all toward the edge of the swirling vortex of madness, sending us all into a screaming orgy of blood, evil, insanity, and death. And it's really annoying us too. ^_^ j/k

**RESUME RP** [Wilek: "This can't be a coincidence. I think we all realize that there's a traitor on the Dark Star. After we create those replacement Doom Commandoes, we're heading up there." SJ and Frankie board their fighter, and the rest of the team piles into the landing craft. To be continued...] **END RP**
Wilek Nereus
Monday, November 30, 1998 10:27:52 PM
IP: tnt-1-173-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Coyote> Unfortunately he hasn't played in a long time. Right now he's too busy writing a nonfiction book and preparing for y2k problems and other conspiracies. If you like conspiracies you should listen to Art Bell if he comes on on any radio stations in your area.

BTW, thanks for the info about the Garg/Rokkan hybrid. It's a kewl idea.

Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Monday, November 30, 1998 10:26:55 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Kyryn: Ree-ee-ee-ee-eeally? ;)
Is Okami looking for players? 'Cause I'd be perfectly willing to get into a small "play by e-mail" game. I'd also be interested to know if Okami's seen any of the online homebrews ... I can't remember the URL right now, but it's accessible from Steve Jackson Games' INWO site. Click my name to go there.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 30, 1998 10:20:09 PM
IP: modem31.i-is.com

Coyote> Gahh! I should have known that. Okami, used to play the game. I've seen the deck. (Brain now re-engages, having been given sufficient kick-start - I've been up since 5am this morning, was on the road 6hrs, and went straight to work)
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Monday, November 30, 1998 10:06:55 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Kitainia, Kyryn: Okay, to stem off more certain questions on this issue ... Why were Demona and Samson surprised at the creation? Answer: because they didn't know what to expect. Remember, when you asked if we were going to see Esor show up (meaning a clone of Rosanna), I said "no." That ... thing ... is not *exactly* a clone of Rosanna. Put bluntly, she is what resulted when the human DNA in the tissue sample they had of Rosanna's is removed and replaced by Rokkan DNA. So she's another hybrid, but of a different species (Gargoyle/Rokkan, as opposed to gargoyle/human).
And credit must come where credit is due: the inspiration for the new creation came from Keith Selser, who in e-mail we exchanged got me thinking about what a gargoyle/Rokkan hybrid would be like. So there ya go. Anyway, thanks for the compliments.

Kyryn again: INWO stands for "Illuminati: New World Order." It's a collectible card game which deals with conspiracy theory, and is one of the funniest CCG's to come around. In the other room, I described it this way: when other people are tapping mana, I'm trying to take over the world! **insert Pinky and the Brain music here!!**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 30, 1998 09:58:01 PM
IP: modem31.i-is.com

**RP**
Kyryn is seen knocking on a business door for one of the area routing systems in San Antonio. A young man answers, blinks, and says "You're a little late for Halloween. What can I help you with? We're a little busy right now."
"That!" Kyryn says, as she spots a gremlin destroying one of the routers. **END FIRST 1/2 RP**

<g> At least that's my explanation for why the net was down *once again* at work (they said it was somewhere in our San Antonio router link).

I hope that everyone else had a good Thanksgiving. The actual Thanksgiving was good, but then I found out that a friend of mine had died of cancer (she had been fighting it for two years), so I went to an Irish Wake in her honor (she had told us all to throw a party for her when she went). I also found out another guy I knew got mauled by a lioness that he had been told was hand-raised. He has owned/worked with lions for years. The lioness had actually been fed live chickens tossed through the cage bars by her previous owners. If he had known that, he never would have gone in with her. Fortunately he's alive, relatively intact (he had to have an arterial graft in one leg), and in good humor. He was glad when a bunch of us went to see him in the hospital.

Real life Garg names> Well, <g>, my real name is Beth, although my last name is Mashburn, not Maza; but I always liked the fact that there was a character named Beth in Gargoyles. There's also a DJ named Delilah, who runs an evening love songs program in Dallas.

**SPOILERS**
I liked "Call to Arms". I enjoyed the fact that the trickster characters were somewhat toned down at the moment. If you think about it, it makes sense. Coyote and the others would thoroughly enjoy a long, involved prank. What better long term surprise than having these 'unknown' mages show up to spoil Madoc's plans.

**END SPOILERS**

Rudolph>Noooo....I don't have a TV! Sigh, maybe Okami will remember to tape it.

Todd>I have my degree in English Literature, so I sympathize with you.

Merlin Missy> Yeah! :)

Coyote> LOL. I like it! (the INWO card).BTW, what does INWO stand for? I liked the new story too, but I also felt that Demona and Samson's reaction was out of character. My reaction was sort of: Hurh? Why did they react like that? What were they expecting from it?

Nicodemus> Actually "Sidhe", pronounced "shee", is a generic name for fay. Banshee is actually a corruption of Daoine Sidhe, if I remember correctly (I'm sure that Todd or someone else will correct me if I'm not). The Daoine Sidhe were the 'grey' court. They usually did not answer to either the Seelie or Unseelie rulers.
I had a bunch of friends who did RL costumes of Seelie and Unseelie and Grey courts characters (their own interpretations, i.e. Oberon is not blue).

**2ND HALF RP**
The gremlin sets off the halon extinguishers in the room and runs out the door, past Kyryn and the tech. The tech pushes past Kyryn into the parking lot and slams the door to keep the halon from coming outside. As the gremlin runs past Kyryn's Ural, Bandit zaps him with a gun composed of large tubes. The gremlin disappears in a flaash of blue light and a little figure is seen beating its fists in one of the tubes. Kyryn grins and notices lights going out in the vicinity of Fiesta Texas."Uh oh, there may be more gremlins over there!"
She and Bandit take off to rejoin the others**END RP**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Monday, November 30, 1998 09:35:04 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

"A Call to Arms"> I finished reading it earlier this morning. It's a good story, though not quite as good as last week's. I think that's mostly because this story was 'filler' of a sort. I rather liked the Banshee/Rory and Avalon/Brocken sections more than anything else (I've never been all that wild about Native American myth for some reason).

I find it interesting that Banshee's still without her voice, and therefore without her powers. This could lead to a rather humbling experience since she's not going back to Avalon. Considering the fact that she doesn't have any money to her name, as well as the fact that she may not be able to transform back into her natural form (_all_ her magic's locked up in her voice, if I remember correctly), it could even be a frightening experience as Banshee suddenly realizes that, for all intents and purposes, she's now a lowly human being. Seeing that, she probably won't get too far before she has to come crawling back to someone for help (be it Oberon or Rory), and in a much poorer and humbler state.

Banshee> Here's some interesting info on the real Banshee of Ireland:

Goliath wasn't screwing up in "The Hound of Ulster" when he mention 'the Sidhe' as though there were more than one. They were spirits that would appear whenever someone had died (or was about to die) and sing their wailing dirge. If the dead person were particularly important, several Banshee might gather to mourn the person in concert.

A real Banshee was also nothing like the TGS Banshee. They weren't evil temptresses; they just existed as mourners of the dead. Also, Banshee tended to look like old hags, rather than the enchanting beauty that TGS Banshee/Molly is supposed to be.

(Interestingly, there's a German harbinger of death that's also related to elves. He was called the Erlkonig, or 'Elf King', and he would only appear to those about to die. It was said that the appearance of the being's face would determine the type of death; for example, a calm look on the king's face meant the person would die a peaceful death.)
Nicodemus
Monday, November 30, 1998 09:19:22 PM
IP: 209-63-253-71.smf.jps.net

STARSINGER> I was just kidding. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Monday, November 30, 1998 09:18:21 PM
IP: ppp210.connect.ab.ca

**RL Mandi appears, and we can see the computer cart in the background, assembled, but the rest of the room is a mess. Mandi's been trying to circumvent the "two Hood desks must be in the room" rule so she can have breathing space.**

Missy--The fic archive is back!! Yaaay! Thank you for telling us! And it works, too!

So I guess fic hosting is out now. :) Actually, the timing's good, because the way this day was going I wasn't sure if I'd get a chance to sit down and do some major updates. I do like the rating system...THANK YOU to whoever gave RS such a great rating!!!

**TGS EPISODE SPOILERS**

You know, even with these warnings, the spoiler that everyone's favorite (well, mine, anyway) anticipated recurring character reappeared hit me before I read "A Call to Arms"...which is a good thing, because I immediately dropped everything and went to read it! (Of course, I was late for Physics, but cest la vie.) Kathy, thank you for writing this ep. Like CTB, I enjoyed seeing Coyote bring Beth Maza into the fold (and we got a hint at a connection he has with the Mazas that many fics have speculated over!) Natsilane was a welcome surprise, since he was a canon character who I totally forgot about, and Grandmother's choosing him caused yet another "oh, yeah! Hey, why didn't I think of that?" moment. It's nice to be surprised by canon characters instead of new ones, although I still like Dulcinea.

As for Rory and the Banshee/Molly: Absolutely loved the interaction. I really didn't care much for the Banshee before and was loathe to have Rory rekindle old feelings for Molly after what happened. However, I did feel somewhat sorry for her in "A Call to Arms" and Rory brought himself to trust her for once, not so much as to immediately fall in love again or forgive her, but enough to follow her and protect her.

And regarding Beth's comment about how ridiculous it sounded:
"So what are we going to do tonight, Madoc?"
"The same thing we do every night, Maeve. Try to take over the world!"

Lame, yes, but I know I'm not the only one. And of course I liked the interchange with Elisa and Beth, especially Beth's hyperactive babbling at first. Too much sugar?

**TGS SPOILERS END**

Ooh! Sliders is on! And a new episode, too! Got to go!

**RL Mandi vanishes**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 08:59:02 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Lawrence Stone: They are all crossover episodes this season. For this season at least, the TGS staff are merging Pendragon and Gargoyles into one series.
Durid
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:53:42 PM
IP: dialupc238.mpls.uswest.net

Firstly, thanks for the positive feedback on "A Call to Arms". I had a great deal of fun writing that one.

As for the rest, so many stories to tell and only once a week to tell them. We have all sorts of stuff up our collective sleeves in store for you. Drama, tragedy, comedy, re-appearing guest characters, romance and more will keep coming at you as the weeks unfold.

Cheers!
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:51:47 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

Nevermind, I just saw what I did. *puts hands over his head and leans way back into his chair* Please, no flames, I know the hole I just dug myself into.....
Durid
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:50:48 PM
IP: dialupc238.mpls.uswest.net

Is Call Of Arms another cossover eisode.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:49:46 PM
IP: cacheflow.bright.net

That post was for TJ.
Durid
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:45:01 PM
IP: dialupc238.mpls.uswest.net

Oh no! No nonono... Why is it that every time I post something lately, you show up and point out my mispellings? First in the Gargoyle usenet group, now here! <Arrrrgh>

Don't worry, I know how to spell Arthur, I just was too lazy to correct it that time. Now on with the posts!
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:43:24 PM
IP: dialupc238.mpls.uswest.net

Just thought I'd tell everyone here, a fully restored version of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer is being played tonight, with better colors, a song that has been lost for thirty something odd years, and an overall added length of about two minutes. Should be spiffy. Especially considering I haven't watched the whole thing in years...

I don't have time to do a full post at the moment, I'll be back later with comments on the day's discussions, which I haven't even read yet... Laters!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:32:26 PM
IP: spider-wa014.proxy.aol.com

Deuce I'm not taking the moral high ground, just that I'm so tired of dealing with ATTITUDE from people in RL. So many people forget that there are other words besides f, mf and f'n to described something and that those words don't need to be used two and three times in a sentence. I'm a very patient person and it would take a lot to set me off. Ask one young-in-your face man. He told me to shut up in front of a customer for no other reason than to hassle me. I blew. You never saw so many quiet people in your life. All the other employees were pussyfooting around me for hours :).

By the way, I don't think it is AlaxK from S8 the ip are different.

Starsinger

Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:29:41 PM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net

*reads Durid's post, and frowns worriedly*

What's bothering me is that Arthur's name was mispelled as "Auther", and I can't understand how that was done (short of careless typing). If this was the name of some obscure mythological figure, I wouldn't be worried. But when this is the name of one of the most famous heroes of the myths and legends of the Western world, and it's spelled as poorly as "Auther", it gets me to wondering about how good a job the schools are doing in teaching people how to spell. Maybe there really is something seriously wrong with our educational system.

(Sorry about that, but I'm an English major, and bad spelling, grammar, and punctuation do bother me to a certain extent).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:18:59 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-65.primary.net

Ok, I check over my post, and I notice someone else posted while I was writeing the other one, ah well. Anyway, about the Highlander Season Finale. No, Methos is not dead. What the writers did for the season fanaile was a kind-of "It a Wonderful Life" take-off. An Angel (or Ducan's own subconsicous, who can really tell?) poseing as Duncan's old friend, shows Duncan what the world would be like if he was never born. What everyone is talking about is what happened in that vision, what happened in the real world is diffrent.

Basically, an old enemy of Duncan's comes to take duncan's head. He gets Duncan to come by threating to kill Duncan's Watcher friend if he didn't. Duncan goes, and willingly offers his head to save his friend. However Methos intervenes, and Duncan is forced back and KO'd. It is while he is unconsicous that he has that vision that everyone it talking about. When he regains consicous, he has his faith restored and is able to rescue his friend with the help of Methos. And the three of them live happily ever after, with the orgianl Highlander series ending there, with no plans for continueing it, and a new Highlander spinoff starting, "HIGHLANDER: THE RAVEN" starring Amanda.
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:15:59 PM
IP: dialupj231.mpls.uswest.net

** fade in on Deuce, holding a hose which he is using to battle flames emerging from his e-mail box ** Geez, get one rumour started about you and it haunts you for life....

ANONYMOUS> Sorry; I was a little harsh. Accept this cybercookie as a token of my apology. *offers cookie* Oh, by the way, if you're REALLY into remaining anonymous(sp?), try selecting "none" for your image and colour. It makes guessing your true identity a little tougher. *grin*

THERESA> *bow* I acknowledge your moral superiority. ;-)

** leaves to try and figure out who's been flaming him THIS time **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:06:55 PM
IP: ts18175.connect.ab.ca

Whoops, sorry sorrow. To get to that website, just clik on my name on the last post.
Durid
Monday, November 30, 1998 06:55:32 PM
IP: dialupj231.mpls.uswest.net

SORROW: If you missed my last post, it is incrediabley hard to find actual Gargoyle comics, but there is a person who is scanning in the comics as GIFs. Has already scanned 1, 4-7 and is putting in more.

As for what this chat room is for, commets on the TGS:
FINALLY!!! One of the major plot holes that I was worrying about is repaired. What is Oberon and the Seelie doing while the Unseelie were gathering power. And about Rory and the other 20th Century Knights of the Round Table.

Still, I am worried about a few others that seem to be taking their time to come about. For one, when is Madoc going to try to kill Elisa and Goliath, I would have expected him to at least send The Pack to ambush one or the other. The other is Griff and Brianna. Now that he and Auther have found Merlin, don't you think Griff would at least visit Brianna and fulfill his promise?

And on a final subject. HORROY, THE FANFICTION ARCHIVE IS BACK! And as soon as I get my own story proofread, I will be posting it. And if I get a good response, you can probably guess what my next story would be about from my gif.

P.S. Has anyone seen Krystiana? Writer of the coven series and Altered Universe? She was suppose to be my profreader, but I haven't heard from her for over a week.
Durid - [durid@bitstream.net]
MN, USA
Monday, November 30, 1998 06:51:23 PM
IP: dialupj231.mpls.uswest.net

**RP BEGINS** Doug leaps for the truck's side door, only to be electrified as soon as he touches the handle by the Onslaught's anti-intruder systems. "Nice try, fool," Tyl laughs from inside the cab as Doug is thrown to the ground. He then pulls the truck into its multi-wheel drive and high traction mode, and comes up out of the crater. As he is trying to pull away, all of a sudden his truck stops dead. "What the hell?" Tyl asks, trying to start the engine again. Doug meanwhile has gotten up and laughs back at him, holding up his Electrojammer gizmo, the attached jamming coil of which he's clipped to the truck's door. "You've beaten me this time," Tyl sighs, realizing even his hacking skills can't override the truck's systems now, since his laptop's and the truck's currents are effectively jammed. "But I will be back!" The evil hacker's hologram fades away. Kitainia and the other Ravens rush to Doug's side, Orion tending to his wounds while Jammer, Gubio, and Keith enter into the Onslaught to repair any damage Tyl has done to it. After getting an assurance that Doug is okay, Kitainia turns to face the CR. **END RP FOR NOW**

Coyote: Thanks for helping us get the truck back. *Spoiler Alert* I liked your new story, it was a good installment for action and character development both. I didn't think there was going to be a Rosanna clone, but I liked it as well. Just one minor concern- why, if Demona planned the whole thing, was she shocked at her creation? That seems a little out-of-character for her, I think. Good cliffhanger at the end there, I can hardly wait to see what Rosanna and the others do to the latest Rokkan terror. :) Keep up the good work! *Spoilers End*

My RP ref duties: Everyone, please, don't worry about being punished for not following the rules. I'm just going to watch for violations, verbally acknowledge them, and ask that whoever made the violation please not do so again. I'll leave the punishments up to Site Maintainer Brian Dumlao. Hopefully, my notices, warnings, and pleas will be enough to keep people following the rules, and we won't have to go to him. At least, I hope so.

Small RP rule correction: Doug and I have discussed our rule for only one RP post per person per day, and decided to make a change in it. Due to the differing time zones for posters and the fact that many people can only log in here late at night, the RP post day now begins and ends at 5 am by the CR post clock (which runs on Eastern USA Time). So as long as there's a 5 am between two of your RP posts, you are following the one time a day rule. Hope this doesn't confuse anybody, the rule is essentially the same, it just slightly changes the wait time between installments you can make to the RP.

Anonymous: Sorry if people are treating you badly due to contrary opinions. Let me counter your argument with a listing of the good and bad points of putting and discussing other stories in here.

Pros: 1. These stories keep us interested in visiting the room and discussing things even after the week's TGS ep has gone up. To quote DumlaoX, the place would be pretty much barren if we only discussed TGS.
2. By announcing that they have new stories up in here, fanfic writers can attract interest to their universes. From this interest attraction, they can get feedback for their work and know what people think of it, and get some idea if they're doing poorly or well. People can also be entertained by reading the stories, which they would not be if they didn't know about the new story being up. This attention is good for writers and readers alike.
3. Writing stories is good practice for all writers, even the RP stories provide this practice. It's good for a writer to hone their craft, by doing that they can get better at essays they have to write for school, reports they may have to write for work, and/or the things they write for recreation.
4. Participating in some of these stories, like the RP, fosters camaraderie among us posters and thus we can express our interests to one another and become friends instead of just people who visit the same place.
5. RP participation also allows us to express our opinions about important issues without the discussion of said opinions dominating the CR. We have shown ourselves capable of being civil about these issues, and it's good to have a place where you can express your opinions without fear of making someone rag on you for them.
6. The RP can also let us vent our emotions on the enemies, and that is a good, safe, stress release mechanism for many. The rules clearly forbid us from flaming other posters via the RP, so that is not a worry at all.

Cons: 1. Posting and discussing other stories is a detraction from the main purpose of the CR- Yeah, but this place would be barren and boring if we only made comments on TGS in here. The other stories may be clutter, but they are by no means useless clutter. The emotional help discussing other stories and participating in the RP gives us (e.g. friendship development, feedback, and venting) is well worth it cluttering up the room, IMHO.
2. These other stories clutter up the place- Alright, good point. However, we have rules that prevent them from doing that too much. Things like faster browsers, only scrolling down to a certain point before you stop loading the page, and visiting the text-only CR can help deal with the clutter that is provided. RP paragraphs are also supposed to be seperated from the main message by warnings and blank lines, so it is easy for one to just skip over them.
3. RP and other story discussion can dominate the CR too much- Again, there are rules to guard against this happening, such as the rule that no only-RP posts may be made.

We had a big discussion about this issue in last week's CR in which nearly all the above points were made. A vote was taken, and we decided that the RP stays. DumlaoX, Doug, and myself also created rules and guidelines for it and asked that everyone follow them so things don't get too much out of hand. This is working out great so far. We are not doing this just for our own self-glory, we are doing it to entertain others and to foster friendship and discussion amongst us, while giving people the opportunity to vent stress and attract attention to their work. It may be clutter, but it is a good thing. This room may have been for comments originally, but the vast majority of us agree that the expansion into many other diverse subjects is good. Welcome to the TGS CR, Anonymous. I hope you like it here.

BTW, am I right in thinking you're AlexK from the main CR? You have the same character pic preference, almost the same text color preference, the same opinions about purity of topic, and the same general lash-out style of expressing yourself. Plus you're hiding behind Anonymous so you won't get a response in here similar to the one you got in there early on. If you are AlexK, please feel free to reveal it. No one should hate you for expressing your opinions, this is a place of free speech. That's all I have to say to you for now.

Theresa: Thanks for the civil retort to Anonymous, your opinion does much to supplement what I posted above.

Merlin Missy: Thank you so much for letting us know it's back. Now me and the other readers can get their fixes!! :) The new archive CGI looks great, everyone should check it out. Story ratings are also a nice touch. Hope the password validation forms also get set up soon. I can hardly wait to see new fanfics up along with the old! <smile>

Taleweaver: So is Methos dead now? I didn't catch the Highlander series finale either and would like to know. I knew Richie lost his head (poor guy), but am wondering about the world's oldest immortal, who happens to be my favorite character on the show.

Something TGS-Related: I wonder if we are going to see any more stories of the Seelie training human mages and/or recruiting help for the conflict in the future. I know we have Puck recruiting training Alex, Coyote doing the same for Beth, ditto for Natsilane and Grandmother, and Banshee recruiting Rory, but are we going to see more? The good guys definitely will need all the help they can get in the conflict ahead. Odin recruiting Ernst and Gunther, Anansi recruiting Tea and Fara Maku (and in the process making peace with them), and similar stories would also have great plot and character potential, IMO.

Garg-Character Names on Real People: My father's boss at his hospital is named Dr. Ananda. I also have met a Brendan Yale, children named Billy and Susan, and a Vincent Garrison in my lifetime. Doug's already mentioned Gabby Vogel and her boyfriend Owen in our psychology class.

That's all for now, see y'all next time.
**RP AGAIN** Shauna, who has been keeping a sharp lookout for enemies, gives a sharp whistle as she spots the army of gangbangers, Borg, and Fundamentalist Extreme clones entering the park. The Ravens and their allies quickly group back together and look to Kitainia and Doug for a strategy. "You three get the Onslaught to the parking lot where you can finish the repairs," Doug orders Jammer, Gubio, and Keith. "Everyone else split up, scatter around the park, and get ready to defend. We'll need to make some hit and run attacks on the enemy, try to lead them out of here so any innocents who didn't evac won't get drawn into the fight. At the same time take out as many as you can. Let's go!" The team complies with his instructions and breaks up into small parties, running to various points around Fiesta Texas as the screen goes blank. To be continued. **END RP AND THIS POST**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 06:46:28 PM
IP: fac-b-b6.lib.utexas.edu

Deuce>> That was rude, too.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, November 30, 1998 06:32:56 PM
IP: proxy-371.public.rwc.webtv.net

The story archieves are up with a wonderful new look. All authors are being requested to up date info. SO GO TO IT SO WE CAN GET THE NEW STORIES POSTED POSTHAST!!! Sorry, deprivation can do strange things.

Stormy>> a little tact and courtesy to someone will go a lot further than a "take a hike" attitude. I'm sorry, I thought you were very rude to anonymous. Yes, it is your right of free speech, but words can turn against you at the worse possible time. I'm mostly indifferent to the RPing, but most everyone is having fun, and I do try to keep up with it, but not everyone has the time to read the RP posts or wants to. A simple explaination that there are rules and that DumlaoX and most everyone else is for RPing would have been more diplomatic IMO. Sorry if I offend you, but we don't need a major battle in the room, when it's a fact the RP is here to stay.

Reminder Last Episode of B5 is showing tonight.

Starsinger

Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, November 30, 1998 06:28:42 PM
IP: proxy-371.public.rwc.webtv.net

*Merlin, carrying a skateboard and limping, drops an envelope on the table and goes off to get a band-aid, muttering something about installing another door in the S8 CR.*

Outside: The Fanfic Archive is back!!!!

Inside: Click on my name to get there.
Merlin Missy
Monday, November 30, 1998 06:01:28 PM
IP: speedo.physics.umr.edu

Sorry, Please ingore.

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, November 30, 1998 05:13:31 PM
IP: 134.71.30.108

rt-broken and now hardened Methos whose in with Kronos and Richie who falls in with those two and eventually loses his head when he can't go through with killing Joe. (Incidentally, Fitz has been dead about 200 years. Over the Stone of Destiny theft) It all comes down to sword fight between Methos and Mac. Where Macleod realizes he's had a postive influence in the world. Fitzcairn sends him back to the real world, Macleod fights the good fight and saves his friends.

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
`
Monday, November 30, 1998 05:12:20 PM
IP: 134.71.30.108

rt-broken and now hardened Methos whose in with Kronos and Richie who falls in with those two and eventually loses his head when he can't go through with killing Joe. (Incidentally, Fitz has been dead about 200 years. Over the Stone of Destiny theft) It all comes down to sword fight between Methos and Mac. Where Macleod realizes he's had a postive influence in the world. Fitzcairn sends him back to the real world, Macleod fights the good fight and saves his friends.

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
`
Monday, November 30, 1998 05:12:19 PM
IP: 134.71.30.108

Sorry for the double post.

Here's the INWO card I sent to the mailing list, like I said I would in my last post.

Type: Organization
Name: Station 8
Graphic: K'Bob in the pose of the Hacker, before his
computer. He's also got gargoyle paraphernalia all around
the computer and his eyes are kind of glazed over.
Quote: "FIRST!"
Text: The top online gathering place for sci-fi fans of
all types, Station 8 may use its Action to aid any attack
made by Fanatic Media groups, regardless of
alignments.. Station 8 also has a
+4 to control the Trekkies.
Power: 2
Resistance: 4
Alignments: Weird, Fanatic
Attributes: Media, Computer
Arrows: In (T) Out (B)

Some explanations: K'Bob is the guy on the card for the Trekkies; on the card, he's dressed like a poorly-made up Klingon.
The Trekkies are the closest Group in the game to Garg fans I could think of.
I also made Station 8 Fanatic because you have to admit, we are pretty fanatic about our show.

Any thoughts, folks?
Coyote the Illuminated Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 30, 1998 04:43:23 PM
IP: modem58.i-is.com

**RP!!**The screen lights up revealing Coyote's tank in the lead of the chase after the Onslaught. Doug is now riding along on the tank next to Jason and Coyote in the Commander's Seat.**

They're ripping up the midway, we've got to do something!

<"Just don't hurt the truck!">

Okay, Doug, I won't.

<"Seriously! I'm still making payments!">

**looks at Doug weirdly** You're kidding.

<"All right, I'm kidding! But still!">

All right, calm down! How's it going down there, guys?

<"Feelin' better, boss!" "Eww, what died in here?">

Sorry, Ravyn, I think his breath's still deadly from last night. Anyway, let's make some replies while we think of some way of stopping that thing! **END RP!!**

New story (much to Anonymous' chagrin): It's up. Click on my name link to "Return."

Robby: Kenny never died any better! Way to go! And give Demona May a heads-up, I might be dropping her a line about some art ... now if I could ever get that blankety-blankin' scanner hooked up!!

Heather: Just got through "The Continuum." You've got a lot of potential there ... not to mention a work that makes me look like a piker in comparison! I liked it.

Fleur: Boy ... no wonder nobody ate the last one ... if I'd known you can't cut through it with anything short of a chainsaw, I'd've never brought it. Oh well, hope your b-day was happy!

Doug: Nice OP cards, though I don't play the game myself (INWO's my game!), but I thought I'd come up with some cards for my party as well.

Actually, I tried, but I couldn't even come up with something for myself (pathetic, aren't I?). I'd be interested to see what you would do with us, though.

Although ... I've been tempted to submit Station 8 as a Group for my INWO-Cards list (for homebrew INWO cards). In fact, I think I will!

Standards and Practices: I try to follow the rules of S&P closely in my own works. There's only a limited number of times that I've let anything through because it made logical sense (to me, at least.).

Cyrway: You think that's bad? Imagine getting up in the morning (I mean, *immediately* after getting up in the morning) and running for the bathroom, only to discover your grandmother is in the only bathroom in your house ... CLIPPIN' HER TOENAILS!!! Ohhhh, the pain!
Anyway, looking forward to AA.

**SPOILERS FOR "A CALL TO ARMS"**
ThankyouthankyouTHANK YOU, TGS writers, for bringing Beth Maza into the fold (thus helping me out, too!). And actually, the reason why I liked Coyote is that he's a trickster, but he's more subtle than someone like Puck. He appreciates the subtlety of some things, and could probably find humor in anything. That's the reason why I made him the one fae to leave Avalon in my fics; I really really really like Coyote. (Did I mention I like Coyote? ;)
**END SPOILER. YOU CAN GO ON WITH YOUR READING NOW!**
**RP BEGINS AGAIN!**

I've got it! Everybody, come up and focus your fire over the top of the truck!

<"Over the top?">

Trust me. Just do it!

**The tank's turret rises higher to aim its shot just over the top of the Onslaught. At the same time, Ravyn rises out of a hatchway in the tank's belly, holding an RPG.**

FIRE!

**The tank and the RPG fire at the same time, both shots heading over the top of the massive truck and landing in front of it, creating a twelve-foot crater in its path, which the truck drives right into, stopping it cold.**

That's the way to end a chase, buddy! **The tank zooms up to the edge of the crater, allowing Doug to jump off and jump into the cab to confront the truckjacker as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 30, 1998 04:19:30 PM
IP: modem58.i-is.com

And Atalanta's pic is still on the fritz.
STormy
Monday, November 30, 1998 04:03:20 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Dan: The comment room is wiped around Midnight on Sundays. To read last weeks, click the LAST WEEKS COMMENT ROOM link (it's archived until the next Monday, when this week's room becomes last week's room)

Anonymous; if you don't like it, go somewhere else. Everyone posts RP spoilers so you can skip them if you don't want to read them.
Stormy
Monday, November 30, 1998 04:02:50 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Deuce--> Ya, ya, okay.
Correction, its -26 degrees Celsius in the City of Champions, according to the Lakewood clock (inside joke). The Lakewood clock last Saturday at 9:40 PM said it was 11:30! One of these days...

MrNoying--> Thanx for the Email. ... ... ... Deuce has just told me about you wanting to be an author for TGS. I hope someday you can be one.

Are the TGS themes fixed yet?
Dan - [thenetferret@yahoo.com]
I decline to state the city I live in, I do not recall the state/province, Hell, I can even remember the name of my country... Dan 4 Prez
Monday, November 30, 1998 01:46:23 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

I'm c-c-cold....

I wrote an essay this weekend on capital punishment, my views on. I tried to leave anything to do with rape out of it (since I would be unreasonably influenced by personal experiences/you guys), so I stuck with murder. If anyone would care to read it, I'll be uploading it after school.

** HERE WE GO... THISPOSTCONTAINSSPOILERSLEAVETHECRRIGHTNOWANDGOREADTHEDAMNSTORY!! **

Very cool story. I'm glad to see more of the Banshee, who's always been a sympathetic character (to me, anyway, don't ask why), and I'm glad to see her making up with Rory.

OK, was it just me, or was Coyote a little subdued this time around? I know he's not as psycho as Loki or Puck, but wan't he a trickster, too?

As usual, cool drawings.

** SPOILERS ARE OVER. GO READ THE FREAKIN' STORY!!! **

CYRWAY> Know how you feel. But I usually get up an hour before my sister, and I'm out of the house before she's even up. So I only feel her influence of weekends, when I'm home.

DAN> Offensive? Ironic maybe, inappropriate yeah, but not REALLY offensive. I think we should stick to expressions everyone in here understands.

NOTE TO EVERYBODY: At our school, the term "gay" is used interchangeably with "lame" or "stupid". Persons of homosexual orientation (I hate PC) are referred to using other words which I won't use here. If Dam-- I mean, Dan-- slips and says "gay", he means "dumb". Thank you. *glares at D.*

ANONYMOUS> Shut up.

That's all for now (like, until later this afternoon). AU revoir!

** leaves, suddenly remembering the French 20 homework he should have done this weekend and didn't have time for. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
It is currently -14C in the City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Monday, November 30, 1998 01:31:20 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Hi people! I've only been part of this CR for almost a week and its so huge!!! When does this stuff get erased and brand new comments are submitted? Saturday? Sunday? Monday? What?

SOME people think that me using the word "gay" to describe the red AIDS ribbon is offensive and not proper. (Deuce!!! Remember, there is a blue ribbon too, it means FREE SPEECH.)
I can say what I want. Some of you people might think that I'm a jack ass now, but I'm not, I'm a human being.

THANKS to all the people sayed hi to me last week! ^_^
I look forward to talking to you all!
Dan - [thenetferret@yahoo.com]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Monday, November 30, 1998 01:13:04 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Hey People
I thought this room was for comments and not for self glory people to put their own stories in here.

I want to hear other peoples comments about the Gargoyle stories and not see other people stories here were they take up so much room. Gee.......
Anonymous
Monday, November 30, 1998 12:12:47 PM
IP: dt0d0n26.san.rr.com

*omnipresent announcer* I'll try this pic...

*staggers in, all groggy.* Stupid little sister...how can anyone spend two hours in the bathroom getting ready for school?

ME: *pounds on door.* Hurry up! I've gotta get Elric registered and inspected this morning before I go to work!
JENN: Wait a minute, I have to brush my eyebrows.

Anywho, I stayed up till midnight working on AA, and I hope you guys appreciate it... ;P Be expecting those who requested a copy tonight or tomorrow morning...

Ain't I a bitch?

BROOKLYN and GECKO: No comment.
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 11:07:06 AM
IP: gcolor.com

Doug> I found that gargoyle construction icon I mentioned before; it's on MDY's site.
Wilek Nereus
Monday, November 30, 1998 10:54:04 AM
IP: tnt-2-96-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

STANDARDS AND PRACTICES - We try to fit these to the feel of the first two seasons, rather than of "The Goliath Chronicles". Actually, we've seldom had to bring up the issue of lust in our plans (although there was a bit of a fierce debate over the business of George and Quinn's liaison and its results in "Consequences", specifically the illegitimate baby concept). Another prominent S&P focus was the agreement not to do commercial references in TGS since the original series didn't have them (apart from a few Disney in-jokes like Elisa's "Belle's ballgown").

In general, the really whacked-out ideas that we just know would never make it past the first two seasons' S&P don't last long, if proposed at all. The most amusing case I can think of was when somebody proposed a story where Goliath got hit by a rejuvenation spell, returning him to his adolescence as per the "Dark Ages" period, not only physically but also mentally and in his very memories, so that he's puzzled over why Hudson and the trio look so much older and why the castle isn't in Scotland any more. The proposer also went on to imagine Goliath, under the influence of that spell, getting interested in Angela - needless to say, that was the element that immediately got discouraged, in the name of good taste, even though the rejuvenated Goliath didn't know that she was his daughter. (The story in general wound up getting dropped anyway, when we decided that Goliath getting turned into an adolescent felt a little too corny).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 30, 1998 07:02:03 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-79.primary.net

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MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKMonday, November 30, 1998 05:12:31 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

Minor correction to last post. This sentence should read:

With the Borg-morons running around, the comedy
an encounter between Daria and them could generate is just too good to pass up.

Also, everyone please don't worry too much about Kitainia being the RP ref. She's just taken the job because she percieves a need for it, and will mainly rely on warnings and annoyance for her enforcement. I was of course just kidding about the possibility of Gubio's wrath. As long as you follow the rules, you should be okay. Later.
Doug
Monday, November 30, 1998 03:23:39 AM
IP: hil-c45-042-vty151.as.wcom.net

**BEGIN RP** Doug and Kitania have rejoined their forces, and are slowly doing a lot of damage to the hordes of cloned Fundamentalist Extreme. The mansion explosion also helps even out the balance of forces on each side, though on the bad side it only consumes a few unnamed and pretty much inconsequential thugs. The good side also loses all the Japanese monsters except Godzilla, MechaGodzilla, Mitsuki, Ghidra, Mothra, and Rodan, and several of the unnamed guests who were helping them, to the blast. In the midst of battle, Doug notices parts of the party continuing and switches his headset to the Ravens' communication frequency. "Guys," he says into his mike, "we have to get them away from the mansion. Many non-combatants could be hurt if these bad guys stick around. Asil will tell them we're the worst sinners around, it's us they want, let's go!" "They've cut off all our escape routes but one," Keith cynically points out. "If we want to lead them away, we'll have to leap the mansion's back fence and go into Fiesta Texas. Even more people could get hurt if we take these people in there." "Haven't you been listening to the police band, man?" comes the voice of leather-clad biker Rick, who resembles a blonde Christian Slater in looks. "They know about our battle here, that's why they're even as we speak evacuating the surrounding area. That includes the park!" "Evac or no, we have to lead these guys away," says Doug. "Lathrop, tell the Japanese monsters to distract the enemy while we make our run through your charm link. Everybody else who's with us, let's get into the Onslaught now!" They all break off their combats and begin running towards the truck. Doug turns to make a post as he fights his way to the possible escape.**END RP FIRST HALF**

Whew, this fight is getting nasty. I know we'll win, but there will probably be lots of casualties on both sides. Everyone who's with us, please take heed of this post. It is VERY important to the action that's about to begin. I speak of our upcoming fight through San Antonio, of course.

Kitainia: Okay, maybe that line is a better romantic one. Thanks for mentioning it. Glad you understand I have to get people interested in future works.

Todd: I assume your staff's S&P people are something akin to the original Gargoyles' in liberal attitude, and am glad for it. Otherwise, we might have something here all too much like TGC. It's just the opposite, of course. I must say I'm happy there will be no lust spell episode, though. Standards and Practices people should be tolerant, but they also should not be pushed too far.

Ravyn: Yep, classified info. But my next fic is almost done and I'll send you a copy of it when it is through. After reading it, you might be able to guess some of the reason behind Changeling's feelings of threat. If you do, please don't blurt out the answer in here. E-mail is a very acceptable method of communication and I guarentee you NEVER will get any spam from me.

Mandi: May not have time to send you fics right now, I'm afraid. I'm going to bed as soon as I finish this post. Then all this week, I have an English paper, a midterm, and an oral interview to worry about. <Grrr...> Oh well, if you still have that copy of "Masterpiece" I sent you, please go ahead and post it. When I have time to, I will send you more.

Demona May Stephens: Very big welcome to you. Hope I see your artwork, and that it's half as good as Robby's boasting, very soon!

SJ: Better make sure you follow the rules from now on. In Kitainia, and Gubio her computer programming expert friend (ask the people that like to make child porn websites about his wrath), we have some quite capable RP refs. <grin>

Robby: Nice ending to the party, I liked your Lawyer Death. But why'd you have to kill Vanilla Ice? He did at least have one good song. (Ice Ice Baby of course.) Oh well, guess you don't like him. Your opinion is completely okay with me. Oh, btw, I did write Daria and Jane into the party. They were seen talking to Janice Ripowski, our gov't liasion. But I didn't write any dialogue for them because I haven't seen an ep of the show in a long time and thus wouldn't really know what to say. Glad you mentioned them just the same. I may bring them into the RP again later on. With the Borg-morons running around, the comedy an encounter between Daria and them is just too good to pass up.

Also, SJ was not following the rules. The asterisks aren't enough, he's also got to put capitalized warnings around his RP-only paragraphs to seperate them from the message part. This has clearly been stated by myself and DumlaoX.

Heather: Sorry, I didn't even know you had two stories posted. I will read and comment on them as soon as I find the time. <hums "Cat's Cradle" under his breath>

*EPISODE SPOILERS ALERT*
Man, if the TGS Staff keeps turning out good episodes like they have, I see in its future many awards. They certainly did a good job on this one, I liked it a lot. Kitainia's already said a lot of what I wanted to say, though, so my review will be short. Let me just say that I liked how Beth, Elisa, Goliath, Coyote, Arthur, Emyrs, Titania, Natsilane, Banshee, and Rory (especially the last two) were developed in the ep. The relationship between Banshee and Rory was going great, I really liked seeing it, shame it had to be spoiled by her leaving at the end. Oh well, she'll be back. At least Rory has returned to action, and the interesting story is going on.

Nice plot on this one, too. I liked all the jokes. Especially the one Emyrs made about a "Knights Wanted" ad in the London Times. All in all, this week's ep was another very good story. Great job, like I've said before. As long as the TGS Staff continues to do well in its writings, the plot repetitiveness (good guys vs. Unseelie) will probably not bother me.

One thing I am very concerned about, though. What did Madoc do in the part with him and that globe? I didn't think any fay was powerful enough to cast a spell that could affect everyone on an entire planet at once, I'm very worried about this. Oh well, maybe it's nothing that major, maybe he's just creating another distraction for the world while his forces mass. It could be the hole in the ozone, I've always wondered exactly what caused it after my tenth grade science teacher told us most CFCs are too heavy to float up through the stratosphere, let alone past. If that is what he did, I must congratulate the TGS Staff on another good, if slightly controversial plot device.

That's all I have to say about the new episode. *SPOILERS END HERE*

Fleur: Kitania says no problem, she's letting you off because of circumstance. Don't worry, right now she's just letting everyone know that she is going to be watching for and reporting to all posters any violations of the RP rules. No punishments have yet been devised, so everybody gets (probably) just one free rule violation before she tightens her grip. The title she prefers is RP ref, nothing more or less. <grin>

Jaden: I really like and appreciate the depth of plot, character, and writing skill you're putting into this RP, just so you know. Keep up the good work. And Welcome Back!

Theresa: I read in the other CR that P-Fay is feeling down partly because others have been ragging him about his RP. If he wants, he's certainly welcome to indulge himself in here with us as long as he abides by the rules. Thanks for informing us of his hopefully temporary depression and dismay.

JEB: I sent you a set of Overpower card proposals based on characters from my own Gargoyles fanfiction. Hope you got it. Maybe I'll do some graphics for them when I have time. I've only recently gotten into playing Overpower, but I like it a whole lot. The rules are certainly easier to understand than those of most CCGs. For all the visiting interested Overpower fans, here is a proposed set of RP Personality (in this case the Black Ravens) cards:

Character (E-F-S-I Stats)- Specials (what each does). *= OPD

1. Doug (6-7-5-7): Plasma Shotgun* (works as a Level 8 Strength, Fighting, or Energy attack, only a defensive special can block); Grenades (Level 7 Strength or Energy attack); Web Shooters (target is immbolized for the next three turns); Nightstick (level 6 Fighting or Strength attack); Good Sprinter (avoid 1 attack); Fighting Skills (level 5 Fighting attack, may be combined with a power card of another special attack); Kitainia's SO (may use any of Kitania's specials for remainder of battle); Smart-Aleck (remove one hit from Doug's permanent record); Fanfic Plug (target gets either tantalized or annoyed, must attack Doug that round).

2. Kitania (6-7-5-6): Borrowed Laser (works same as Plasma Shotgun, see above); Doug's SO (she may use any of his specials for remainder of battle); Battle Roar (Level 4 Intellect attack, may be combined with another special to double its attack's strength); Fast Healing (avoid one attack); Joyful Weirdness Acceptance (remove two hits from Kitainia's permanent record); Fighting Skills (same as above); Steamer Water Cannon (Level 3 Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); Think It Out (take one card from draw pile and put in hand, then reshuffle draw pile); Mafia Connections (remove one permanent record hit); Motorcycle Rush* (Level 9 Strength attack).

3. Keith (5-7-5-8): Martial Arts (Level 6 Fighting attack, may be combined like Fighting Skills); Stealth Suit* (use invisibility to avoid two attacks); Versatility (combine two power cards to form a single attack); Mechanic Skills (Level 6 Intellect attack); Personal Insight (opponent must reveal all specials in hand); Cynicism (remove 1 permanent record point).

4. Shap (6-5-7-5): Holy Avenger* (Level 7 Fighting, Energy, Strength or Intellect attack); Lay on Hands (heal damage from one attack); Paladin Reflexes (avoid one attack); Bible Knowledge (Level 6 Intellect attack); Divine Insight (opponent must decide on and reveal their next move one turn before they make it); Protection From Foes (-2 penalty to opponents' attacks on Shap for remainder of battle) Wrestling (Level 6 Strength or Fighting attack); Tolerance and Lack of Judgement (remove 1 permanent record hit).

5. Jammer (6-5-7-5): Metal Pole (Level 5 Fighting or Strength attack); Provoke (target must attack him at some point in the battle, with a -2 penalty to the attack they make); Demolition Man* (Level 10 Strength, Energy, Fighting or Energy Attack); Onslaught Roll-Over* (Level 10 Strength attack); Tricia's Boyfriend (may use any of Tricia's specials for remainder of battle); Sue 'Em (avoid 1 attack); Lawyer Skills (Level 7 Intellect attack); Comedian (works same as Smart Aleck above).

6. Tricia (5-6-4-5): Chain Choke* (Level 8 Fighting or Strength attack); Psionic Blast (Level 7 Fighting, Strength, Energy, or Intellect attack); Mind Probe (opponent must reveal entire hand); Thought Muddling (opponent must reshuffle their draw pile); Psychokinetic Charge (play with one Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect power card. The value of that power card is doubled, and if it hits, the damage is also double the card's value); Jammer's Girl (Tricia may use any of Jammer's specials for remainder of battle); Blame Someone Else (attack made on Tricia is made on a teammate of her choice, who may defend).

7. Shauna (4-4-6-6): Explosive Arrow* (Level 8 Strength or Energy attack, only a defense special may block); Bullseye (Level 6 Strength or Fighting attack that automatically hits, may be combined with a power card or another special attack); Nag (Level 5 Intellect attack); Provoke (same as above); Back Off (avoid 1 attack); Threat Assessment (opponent must reveal all character cards in hand); Smoke Screen* (remove Shauna from battle this turn and deduct two permanent record hits).

8. Stephanie (6-6-4-6): Katana (Level 6 Fighting or Strength attack); Fighting Skills (same as above); Gymnastic Dodge (avoid 1 attack); Quickling Immortality (damage from all attacks heals at end of turn); Behead (Level 7 Fighting or Energy attack, only a defensive special may block); Kitania's Sister (may use any of Kitainia's specials for remainder of battle); Optimism (deduct 1 permanent record hit).

9. Lathrop (6-4-4-8): Magic Skills (Level 7 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); Mentor (Level 6 Intellect attack); Extremely Big Fireball* (Level 10 Energy or Strength attack); Polymorph Other (for this turn only, exchange Lathrop or a teammate's Power Grid with that of an opponent); Polymorph Self (Lathrop's power grid matches that of target opponent for duration of fight); Mystic Shield (avoid 1 attack); Teleport* (works same as Smoke Screen above, may be used on teammates as well as self).

10. Orion (5-5-6-5): Mace (Level 6 Strength or Fighting attack); Turn Enemy (Level 7 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); Healing Spells (heal damage from one attack to himself or any teammate); Chant (Level 5 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); Shap's Mentor (may use any of Shap's specials for duration of battle); Holy Shield (avoid one attack); Blessing (works same as Psychokinetic Charge above); Man of God (remove 1 permanent record hit).

11. Boris (5-5-8-5): Bazooka* (Level 10 Energy, Fighting, or Strength attack); Boxing Skills (Level 6 Fighting or Strength attack, may be combined with a power card or other special attack); Toss Out (Level 5 Strength or Fighting Attack); Uppercut (Level 6 Strength attack); Mr. Boring Man (remove 1 permanent record hit).

12. Elena (7-5-5-6): Assault Rifle* (Level 7 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); Energy Charge (same as Psychokinetic Charge above); Halfling Magic (same as Magic Skills above); Dimension Door (avoid 1 attack); Too Violent (level 6 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack, may make one additional attack).

13. Gubio (6-5-4-8): Cyberspace Mastery (target character may not attack for remainder of battle); Telemetry (opponent must reveal all specials in his hand); Techno-Genius (acts as a level 4 Intellect attack. May combine with one Energy power card to make a single attack); Sidearm* (Level 7 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack, can only be countered by a defensive special); Mist's Human (may use any of Mist's specials for remainder of battle); High-Level Virus* (Level 8 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); Mech Barrage* (works same as Demolition Man above); Geekish Demeanor (remove one permanent record hit).

14. Mist the Cat (4-5-5-6): Chaingun* (same as Assault Rifle above, except Level 9); Gubio's Cat (may use any of Gubio's specials for remainder of battle); Look Cute (deduct 1 permanent record hit, avoid 1 attack); Slight Shedding Problem (Level 6 Fighting or Intellect attack, target opponent may not act for remainder of turn); Kitty Deception (works same as Blame Someone Else above); Battle Meow (works same as Battle Roar above); Feline Reflexes (avoid 1 attack); Nine Lives (heal damage from one attack).

That's all I have now. Perhaps I'll do Janice, the bad guys, and Kenny the CR Lawyer when I have more time. That's all I have to say for now, so I bid everyone here good night.

**BEGIN SECOND HALF RP** Just as the Ravens are about to reach the Onsluaght, its powerful engine starts. They all stop dead and look at Gubio, who does not have his laptop out. "Good bye, idiots!" someone dressed all in black and wearing a ski mask laughs from the cab, putting the truck in gear. "Keith," Doug asks over the comm mikes, "did that bad hacker Tyl steal your keys?" "No, I still have them," Keith replies. "Jammer, what about you?" "I slipped my keys into Tricia's pocket before the party," Jammer sheepishly admits. "So they wouldn't get lost." "My keys were stolen, Jim," Tricia snaps. "Great," the Ravens' comedian sighs. "Oh well, he may have all our vehicles except Coyote's tank and all our spare gear, but at least now we know the identity of the thief." "We have to catch him!" Doug roars in anger, sprinting after the departing truck as it crashes through the mansion's back fence and rolls onto the Fiesta Texas Midway. "Come on!" The Ravens, bikers, Methos and the McLeods, and (I assume) everyone else in their party follows behind, Lathrop bringing up the rear.

Meanwhile back on the mansion's grounds, the Japanese movie monsters are fighting a valiant battle to keep the enemy back. Unfortunately, they do not notice Guod and several of his Borg minions creeping up beside them and extending assimilation tools. In a matter of minutes, Godzilla and his five fellow monsters have become part of the enemy and now sport Borg implants all over their forms. Guod quickly takes control of their minds as well as bodies and adds them to his forces' regrouping ranks. "These demons are awed by our power and are now on our side," Asil tells Pastor Paul. "Since the mansion is gone, our work here is done. Let us pursue the sinners that escaped into the amusement park." "That den of corruption and laziness?" the Fundamentalist Extreme's leader grins. "We Christian Soldiers shall enter into it with pleasure, to save and destroy. Lead on!" They all follow the Onslaught and the heroes pursuing it through the break in the fence as the screen goes blank. To be continued. **END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, November 30, 1998 03:19:39 AM
IP: hil-c45-042-vty151.as.wcom.net

****RP!!!!*****
Jaden was in a word PISSED! He felt like someone was beating him on the head with a baseball bat and everywhere he turned someone was trying to kill him. He had just finished twisting a crowbar around someone calling himself brother Jerry when he noticed his next opponent. A very large man wearing a shirt that said "DESTROY ALL SINNERS!" was running right for Jaden waving a spiked club. Jaden finally snapped. "That's it!!!! Now I'm really mad!!!" he screamed and charged toward the big man.**

Hey everyone I'm back. Miss me? I know you did. Had a great Thanksgiving Day.

Christine> A book based on "Black Roses". I'm already clearing a space on my shelf.

Only a few more weeks till Christmas (and finals :p ) where does the time go? Next thing we know it will be Independence Day. I just hit myself for writing that. Anyway I gotta go because if I don't read the episode I'll go CRAZY!!!!

****RP!!!!****
Jaden was going over the over the edge; becoming more animal that human. He hated it when this happens but sometimes there was just no stopping his firery temper for spinning out of control. He was taller, stronger, faster, but also less intelligent. He grabed his prey by the throat, lifted him up like he was a doll and said in a half growl...
"You know, I'd be enjoying this a lot more if...
<PUNCH> I!!! <PUNCH> WASN'T!!! <PUNCH> SO!!! <PUNCH> HUNG!!! <PUNCH> OVER!!!"
He tossed the man aside, let out a vicious growl and began to rip through the nearest bad guys. Screen fades out.****
End RP!!!!!!!

Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Monday, November 30, 1998 02:55:16 AM
IP: pm1-10.sma.silcom.com

This is RP-related, and I know I can only do that when I have something non-RP-related to say, but the Robby/Jim posted the closing ceremonies while I was writing my post (I don't usually take that long, but I got called away from the computer), so in the interests of keeping everything straight, I'll just make a little amendment to my end RP.
*MORE RP STUFF**
Fleur notices what's happening back at the party... exploding mansions, multiple Wars, etc.
"Whoo-hoo! Let's go Luggage! I don't want to miss all the fun!!"
**END RP STUFF**

Sorry all. (please don't arrest me Sergeant Kitainia of the RP police - or do you prefer Captain? (j/k))

TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 01:40:05 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

**RP STARTS**
A large chest with hundreds of legs suddenly appears in the CR. It opens slowly, and Fleur jumps out from her hiding place and looks around.
'So _this_ is where you end up if he swallows you.'
**END RP.. FOR NOW**

Hi all!

**TGS SPOILERS**
YES!! RORY IS BACK!!!
**END TGS SPOILERS**

Coyote and Robby> *Fleur grabs herself a piece of chocolate exectution cake, after cutting it up with her blade, the only thing sharp enough and big enough to get through it* Thanks!

Spike> *amazed* You put the TP reference in your story back in July. A few months later, we're talking about it in the CR. Then your story goes up. One word: Spooky. :) Sorcery and Equal Rites are the only discworld books I haven't read, but I hope I'll get at least one of them tonight. (do you think a huge sign saying I WANT THESE BOOKS FOR MY BIRTHDAY was a big enough hint? >:))

JEB> I had a peek at your site - Two enthuastic thumbs up!!

Ravyn> I don't know if Vogel was from Cyberbiotics, but I like to think that's what the CB stood for. It's just too kewl to be anything else. :)

Demona May Stevens> I'm just too amazed at your name to say anything except: Welcome!!!

TTFN!!

*MORE RP STUFF**
Fleur notices what's happening back at the mansion...closing ceremony, multiple Wars, etc.
"Whoo-hoo! Let's go Luggage! I don't want to miss all the fun!!"
**END RP STUFF**


Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 01:22:53 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

Heather- I read your stuff. It was a bit confusing, but the writing itself is solid. You have a lot of potential, just keep it up.

Kitainia- Actually, in SJ's defense, he put up little ** thingies around his RP. So, he WAS following the rules...

Also, this is only slighty RP related, but for any of you who missed it, Jim's mansion is now GONE. There is nothing left of it. You can't use it as a centering point now, unless you do a flashback bit... However, the rodeo, and theater and everything else are still there, totally untouched.
Me, ONCE AGAIN... Last time tonight, I promise! - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 01:21:59 AM
IP: spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com

Hi.
Well , I LOVED the story but alittle confusing at first. And I knew even before you put the story up that Beth was going to be in it. I had a feeling !
Anyway , have you guys read my first two stories ? I want opinions people ! * G *
And when are we going to have a romantic ep story ? I missed those. I'm a helpless romantic. *Blushes*
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 01:14:30 AM
IP: 173-184-206.ipt.aol.com

Silly me, I forgot. Demona May's artwork isn't scanned, so I can't check it out. And the link on her name was just to a file not found. Darn it. Oh well, now the hope is double that her artwork will be scanned soon.
Kitainia (again)
Monday, November 30, 1998 12:55:41 AM
IP: hil-c45-042-vty151.as.wcom.net

**BEGIN RP** Outside Jin Noying's mansion, despite the end of his party, the battle between good and evil rages on. The Ravens have now been joined by Kitainia's twelve Hell's Angel biker pals, and Coyote and his friends inside their tank. They are all fighting, not making much more progress than has already been said. Stone Cold has just managed to break the neck of his opponent Big Tommy and is laughing about his incredible strength triumphing over Tommy's ego and bravado. Stone Cold continues to laugh even as Brother Dave puts six bullets in his chest and he falls to the floor. In her tree, Kitainia quits laying down cover fire and tries to take aim at the Fundamentalist Extreme's best shot once again. In the process, she turns to face the CR.**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hello everyone! I am whatever number I am!! :)

Todd: Oh well, Standards and Practices do have to be followed. Thanks for replying to my question.

Coyote: Thank you too. I am glad the chance will come.

Mandi: Like I said, it's okay if you made a mistake. No worries. And yes, people do get confused.

Cyrway: Darn it, why do you have to tease us like that? Oh well, as long as the story comes out soon.

Demona May Stephens: Welcome to the CR. Soon as I get done commenting on everything, I'll go check your artwork out.

SJ: <blows the police issue whistle around her neck> It appears you have just violated one of the CR rules by not putting warnings about it in your last post! As of now, I appoint myself RP ref to watch for and punish such RP rule violations in whatever way I deem is best! This is a first offense, so I'm letting you off with a warning. Next time you will be punished somehow. Please don't get angry at me about this. After all, rules are rules!

SJ again: I too like that Spike and Buffy's mom scene with the axe. That's what made his talk with her about love in the latest Buffy ep all the more interesting. <grin> Now, without further ado, on to my comments about the latest TGS ep!

*SPOILER WARNINGS!!!*
"A Call to Arms:" Good episode. I very much liked seeing Coyote, Lapin, Prometheus, Titania, and Rory again. Very good pics as well and the action was well-coreographed. I liked how all the fay were portrayed, especially the Tricksters. Their plan for letting the gargoyles beat the Unseelie, and their having to abandon it for a backup plan utilizing their "favorites" brought about good character development for them all. I also liked seeing some new Seelies in the mix, especially Bast. It makes one smile to know that at least some of her predictions are coming out true! :) It's also good that such obscure deities as Marduk (slayer of the Dragon Queen Tiamat in Babylonian mythology) were added to the mix. The TGS Staff is doing a very good job of incorporating legends into their continuance of the show.

Titania's character was especially well-written and developed in this story. She remains my favorite fay, especially for her deviousness and wit. I was a little surprised to find her as Avalon's general at first, but after finishing the story I think she fits the mold well. I especially like how she's sent the various fay into the world to recruit human mage help. With a general like Titania on their side, I think the good guys at least stand a chance of beating the Unseelie hordes. Kudos to Kathy Pogge for doing such a good job!

Great job on the relationship between Rory and the Banshee, too. It was both a dramatic and a comic delight to see Banshee having to accomplish her task while mute, and it was good that she put her anger aside to help despite her lack of interest in who wins the war. The prospects for love between the two were also well-done, I was smiling in joy all throughout reading the interaction between the two. Both she and Rory were developed nicely and I'm certainly glad they're patching things up. Rory's pity for Banshee and his dreams and her remembrance of past joys with him and desire to be his friend once more were particularly enjoyable for me. With them, another one of my predictions for TGS Season 2 is coming true! :) I was disappointed when Banshee left at the end, her lesson of humility somehow seems to have not quite sunk in. I guess learning the lesson is the first step, the next is deciding what to do with the things you know. Looking forward to seeing Banshee again, and learning how she makes up her mind.

Arthur, Emyrs, and all the featured regular good guy cast were also entertaining as ever this time around. I'm still laughing about Emyrs's scholastic troubles, they are a very good, if running, gag. I'm also still laughing at Elisa's response to Beth's new talents as a mage. Thanks for paying attention to her and Goliath, too. That scene with them is definitely going to stay in my memory for a long time. The Unseelie that appeared were also nicely developed and portrayed. Their plan is going well, as are the good guys' plans to prevent its success. Wonder what Madoc did to the Earth, hope it's not something too bad.

I also liked again seeing an old character I almost thought was just good for one generic Indian heritage story- Natsilane of course. He underwent great character development in here, I like what the TGS Staff is doing with Grandmother and him. Same for Beth, even though I knew from "Cloud Fathers" on there would be more character development with her. She and Coyote are working together well, I wonder if something liked Christine's story "Whirlwind" isn't on the horizon for those two.

All in all, for character and plot, this was a great ep. Good job, TGS Staff!!

I must point out some minor plot concerns, though. First of all, Titania's mirror is used for scrying and transport in the second scene. Wasn't her mirror destroyed way back when? Maybe she crafted a new one, or it was Oberon's mirror (from "The Gathering") she was using and you guys made a mistake. Whichever, this should be cleared up.

Second, we didn't see the rest of Natsilane's tribe in "Heritage," so I guess I kind of assumed he and Grandmother were the only Native Americans on Queen Florence Island. I'm glad to be wrong, though I am also sure many will worry about the new characters that will inevitably appear if his tribe is fully brought into the plot. I know the TGS Staff has the skill to pull it off where the story doesn't lose any of the good tangents it picks up, but this is still a concern.

There were also a few proofreading mistakes, but they can be ignored. Except for the above two concerns, I have no complaints. This was another terrific episode. TGS Staff, keep up the good work!
*SPOILERS END*

Robby: Okay, I hope Demona May gets her artwork scanned soon so you can post your fic. I kinda agree with you about Ninjara, though I did personally really like the TMNT cartoon. Thanks for the great party, shame it had to end so soon. Don't worry, Doug's first post of the week, in which out fighting will be moved away from the mansion, is coming up real soon. Thanks for handling the major conflicts brought in by so many, let's just say all the Fundamentalist Extreme and gangbanger clones who actually got inside the mansion were killed by your Lawyer Death, which I loved. LOL! The rest of our enemies, including the named ones, remained outside and will be dealt with in time. Great ending to the party overall.

That's all I have to say, I will now leave you with more RP!

**BEGIN RP SECOND HALF** Kitainia gets the rifle-wielding Brother Dave in her sights just as his pal Brother Larry (the Remnants' official sermon and rally bouncer, who no challenger on any campus they've visited particularly likes) notices and heaves a grenade at her tree. It hits dead on and Kitainia screams as she tumbles out and hits the ground. Doug, Orion, and the chain-swinging blonde bombshell biker Fauline quickly rush over to her, breaking off from their own fights. "She's unconscious," Orion diagnoses, looking over Kitainia's form. "But she'll be okay." He casts a spell and heals all her wounds. Kitainia, though, does not wake up. Doug groans and looks at the other two for any ideas. "She's faking it," Fauline says, in one of her rare insights into people. Doug grins knowingly, remembering that his girlfriend has done things like this before, always at the worst times. He then bends down and gives her a kiss on the lips. Doug waits till Kitainia begins to return the kiss, then backs off and asks, "Are you okay?" She smiles up at him. "I am now." "Good," Doug nods, his grin widening. "Shall we get back to the fight?" He helps Kitainia back to her feet as the screen goes blank. **RP AND POST ENDS**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 12:52:46 AM
IP: hil-c45-042-vty151.as.wcom.net

STORY SPOILERS (I guess, I'm not giving anything away...)

This week's was pretty good. I wasn't looking forward to it, it was supposed to be Pendragon. But then, not far into the story, I understood, it actually WAS Gargoyles/Pendragon, like it should be... It was a good story, but it feels like filler to me, and more build up to the conflict not far in coming...
The problem is, after so many weeks of pretty much nothing but Unseelie, you are going to have a difficult time pulling off that final story where the war takes place... But, I trust you guys will do it well... And Timedancer isn't far off now, so it'll provide an Unseelie break up...

END STORY SPOILERS

So... Did anyone see how the party ended? I missed it myself...
Me Again... - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 12:50:01 AM
IP: spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com

PART RP***(Kari and Sevarius Jr. are still dancing, though the CD has gotten to "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" by now. Suddenly, the dance room shakes, and a loud noise can be heard.
"WHAT WAS THAT?" Sevarius Jr. exclaims.
"Don't worry about it, that's just the mansion blowing up."
"WHAT?"
"Really, don't worry. It's been in the script since before the party started."
"Huh?"
"It'll all be explained in the closing ceremonies. Right now, just DANCE!) END PARTY RP FOR NOW***

37 OR 38 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!

I'm just curious, can anybody tell me what happened in the final episode of Highlander? The airtimes were really odd during its last season here, and I never saw anything that seemed like a final episode...

About Demona May Stephans- I'll have to talk about her briefly, she's been my penpal for some four years now, and she doesn't have consistent computer access, so she can't really reply to your questions herself. She has to rely on a computer at the local library which has already closed for the night. But that means, she can't scan and she'll probably only be in here once a week, tops.
Her name REALLY IS Demona May, and you'de have to ask her parents about how she came to have that name. (I mean, I mentioned her last week when asked about real life people with garg. names... She even has red hair!)
Her offer to do artwork extends to not only the TGS itself, but anyone in here. She pretty much never charges anything for her work, she does it to be friendly, and to make use of her drawing gift. (AND BOY, CAN SHE DRAW! Spike, you're going to have competition if her work ever gets scanned...) All you need to do to contact her is pull out an envelope and stamp, for old fashioned snail-mail. And since the address she left was just cleared...

Night Stone Unlimited Artworks
411 Heathwood Dr.
Aiken, SC. 29803

Or, you can e-mail her a drawing request at
realdemona@yahoo.com

but then, it may be a while before she sees the request...
Incidentally, it is because of her that I haven't posted my stories yet. Y'see, she's done some excellent pictures for my fics, and I don't want my stories going up without them... We're working on getting a page set up, and if it works out, you'll understand why I'm waiting... (So stop bugging me about it Mandi.) Okay, that wasn't so brief...

Kitania- Its probably a good thing Ninjara never made it into the Turtles cartoon, I dread thinking about what they would have done to her. And besides, if she had been in the cartoon, Chris Allan wouldn't be free to draw more stories with her now...
Oh yeah, no X-Mas countdown. Gotcha.

Mandi-I would post my stories, but again, there's a bunch of artwork I want attached to them... But if it takes too long to get a web page going with Demona, I'll send them around to various archiving places... And besides that, I'm still editing...

Wilek-I agree, not only was the animated Beetlejuice a TERRIBLE take on a decent movie, but it was also one of the WORST SHOWS I HAVE EVER SEEN, period.

SJ- The Fantastic Four always beat Galactus because they have the Phoenix force backing them up. No, really, it was revealed at some point that the cosmic rays that gave them powers was residue from the Phoenix in X-Men... Hmm, they DO need a reality clean-up...

And now, its time for the closing ceremonies... Anyone who wants to kill Kenny the CR Lawyer after this, feel free. As well, if any of you are just having such a good time at the party you don't want to stop yet, you can always show bits of the party that haven't yet been mentioned. Prepare yourselves, this final RP of mine is a doozy...

PARTY RP CONCLUSION!****
(Various screams can be heard as Vanilla Ice sings. "GO NINJA, GO NINJA, GO! GO NINJA, GO NINJA, GO!" Mare covers her ears. "What HAVE I done? This is far worse than the war itself!" However, Vanilla Ice's singing IS having the desired effect.
The waring voices of Rob Paulsen, Jeff Bennet, Frank Welker, the remaining Godzilla characters, the wrestlers, the cast of Beast Wars, a group of ninjas, several dozen Hell's Angels, several members of the Fundamentalist Extreme, a band of traveling Mexican midget acrobats, two samurai warriors, the complete starting lineup for the '87 Mets, some mobsters, some cops, about a dozen angry minotaurs, a horde of rabid badgers, a gang of angry soccer moms who have mistakenly confused the badgers for the latests toy craze the "Furby", an entire firm of lawyers (all who look remarkably like Tom Cruise), Mr. Peabody and Sherman, Draco the dragon and James Bond, a bunch of stupid cheerleaders, Daria and Jane (Who actually enjoyed the party, shame no one wrote them in...) half the cast of Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon and all the Sailor Scouts (Who get 17 new episodes on Cartoon Netwrok starting today), most of the characters from the cantena in Star Wars, Leonardo DiCaprio (Who was not on the guest list, so the bouncer had to beat him up) the remaining stuffing of Barney, some guy named Bob, all the Gargoyles characters, all the Mighty Ducks characters, all the Road Rovers characters, etc. etc... ALL STOP WHAT THEY ARE DOING, to attack Vanilla Ice.
It is not long before the singer faces an timely end. The fighting has stopped at last, and things are settling down. But then Brooklyn looks hard at Raphael and mentions," You know, that one song he was going into is YOUR fault."
"Hey, don't blame me because you guys never got a movie deal beak boy!" And suddenly, Brooklyn and Raphael are fighting again. And since Rob Paulsen and Frank Welker's other personas can not stand idly by and let their counterparts get pummeled, the war starts AGAIN.
Mare screams, it seems nothing will stop the fighting. Then, the CR Lawyer comes forth. "Madam, I do believe I have a solution. But I will need a microphone. And I want you to evacuate the mansion of any guests that may still be sleeping in it." Kenny the CR Lawyer soon has a microphone, the mansion is cleared, and he calls out. "All of you! I have strapped an bomb to myself! Stop fighting now, or I take care of all of you, permanently!" Everyone freezes, they know it isn't a bluff, as one death does not matter to the CR Lawyer, he always comes back. The groups disperse, and start heading home.
The war is over, and Kenny smiles. "Hmm, it worked. And it wasn't even a real bomb." He goes into the mansion, devoid of guests, and prepares to go to bed, when a loud explosion rocks the mansion. It crumbles to dust, and Kenny is nowhere to be seen. (See, I DID get around to killing the lawyer and blowing up the mansion, like I promised 3 weeks ago!)
Luckily, the pool is still there, as is the dance hall, the rodeo, the rides, and the movie theater, so the guests can all still enjoy themselves. All the guests who no longer have a place to stay are given the best hotel rooms money can buy, (Jim IS rich after all) and all seems well and happy. (And heck, we managed to rid the world of Barney and Vanilla Ice!)

Kari looks at Sevarious Jr. "See, I told you it would all work out."
"Sure did. Hmm." SJ looks at Kari. "Shall we dance some more?"
"Love to." And so the two dance the rest of the night away...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, November 30, 1998 12:40:41 AM
IP: spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com

Did I get tenth?
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:44:19 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

9th or tenth, depending.

Oh, and check last week's comment room for my last post.
Sevarius Jr.
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:34:29 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

Oh, and I think I'm 8th.
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:32:34 PM
IP: tnt-2-48-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP** [Wilek comes out of the pool, revealing that CC the baby gator is chewing on his tail. Wilek gently removes her. CC: "<squeak squeak>" W: "You all were scared of this li'l cutie?" Jake: "Scared nuthin. We were annoyed. The little booger went up Goliath's loincloth while we were all swimming, and guess where it bit him." Wilek laughs so hard that he almost falls back into the pool. When he regains his composure, he notices that the closing ceremonies are about to begin...] **END RP**

I just saw Jurassic Park tonight. Very fun when you think of JUST WHO inadvertently participated in its production. :) Am I the only one who couldn't help imagining what various Gargs and fanfic characters would do in those situations? I kept seeing a garg saving that kid by gliding out of that tree and Miriam kicking raptor butt with her lightsaber.

Coyote> Actually, I've lost count myself. :)

Gargs RL names> I live near Kentucky, and there's a town there called Lexington. Scary...since I'm ancestrally from a clan in Kentucky...

Demona May Stephens> Hi! Wow, someone actually named Demona...If I may ask, how in the WORLD did you get that name?! :)

FS> I've never seen Stargate the movie or the series, so I'm unqualified to comment on it, but if you want to talk about series that don't do their movies justice: Beetlejuice. Anyone who's seen both the movie and the animated series knows what I'm talking about. YECCH.

Robby> Our talk of kewl Disney songs has reminded me of another movie with good music: The Nightmare Before Christmas. WOW. (BTW, Forfexx wants permission to kill the Lawyer for the closing ceremony. He just read the ST:DS9 novel "The Siege". Uh oh...)

**NO CLOSING RP THIS TIME; THIS SHOULD GET THROUGH BEFORE THE CLOSING CEREMONY**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:32:12 PM
IP: tnt-2-48-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

*crossed fingers*

Seventh!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:30:20 PM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

AH-HA!!! Finialy, I'm back in the top ten!!! *in a mock Casey Casem(sp?) voice says* Here's Traveler comming at ya at number SIX!!!!!

Please excuse me, I must now go read the new ep.:)
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:27:33 PM
IP: 173-147-196.ipt.aol.com

Hopefully 5th
The Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
kingston, Jamaica
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:24:33 PM
IP: 208.11.41.212

FORTH!
Negative SIXTH!
Fire Storm
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:21:36 PM
IP: dhcp182.visitus.net

Second or third depending on how fast I am.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:19:14 PM
IP: spider-wj051.proxy.aol.com

Swing and a miss: Strike TWO!! (through 5, depending on speed.)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:18:10 PM
IP: modem61.i-is.com

Even Titania needs a backup plan.

A Call To Arms

The new Gargoyles/Pendragon episode

Written by Kathy Pogge with contributions by Tas "Vince" Burrfoot"

Story idea by Kathy Pogge, Patrick Toman, and JEB

Illustrations by Jessica Entis

Enjoy!
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:17:16 PM
IP: pool0048-max8.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net