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Hmmm...why not?

The Children of Oberon VS The Shadows -- This one is harder than I thought it'd be...there are a lot of variables. Do the Shadows get to use their ships? Does the battle take place off Avalon?

Darth Vader VS King Arthur -- Hmmm... lightsaber verse Excalibur. I'd have to say Excalibur would triumpth, but Darth's got the advantage of The Force, so Arthur would lose.

Coyote 6.0 VS Galvatron -- Don't know who/what Galvatron is, but knowing Coyote's track record he probably wouldn't win.

Unicron VS the Death Star -- Don't know who/what Unicron is.

Madoc Morfryn VS Lorien -- Lorien is older and wiser, as for his powers, he didn't use them much but that doesn't mean he couldn't disintegrate Madoc in an instant. Winner is Lorien.

Duncan Macleod VS Macbeth -- Is Duncan the guy from Highlander? Same song, same tune... Macbeth would win.

Bill Clinton VS Oberon -- Oberon.

Duval VS the Cigarrette Smoking Man -- Duval, whether it be man-to-man or society-to-society.

Bester VS Emperor Palpatine -- Palpatine can shoot lightning, but Bester could probably fry his mind... I'd say Bester.

President Sheridan VS Captain Picard -- Sheridan, he's younger and thus in better condition than Picard, and even if it were a battle of wits instead of brawn, I think Sheridan would still win, though Picard wouldn't be a pushover.

Saddam Hussein VS Thailog -- Thailog.

Carnage VS Goliath -- I'm not very familiar with Spiderman, but I get the impression Carnage is a mutating, alien lifeform... so I'd have to say Carnage, unless there's something I don't know.

Homer Simpson VS Vinnie -- Vinnie, he has a bazooka.

Owen VS Mr. Morden -- Owen, Morden is nothing more than a well-dressed twerp without the Shadows backing him up.
Entity
Sunday, December 13, 1998 04:11:14 PM
IP: ely-oh3-52.ix.netcom.com

::Looks at the fights at the bottom of the Comment Room::

Here are some fights of my own.

The Children of Oberon VS The Shadows

Darth Vader VS King Arthur

Coyote 6.0 VS Galvatron

Unicron VS the Death Star

Madoc Morfryn VS Lorien

Duncan Macleod VS Macbeth

Bill Clinton VS Oberon

Duval VS the Cigarrette Smoking Man "My secret organization can beat your secret organization any day!"

Bester VS Emperor Palpatine

President Sheridan VS Captain Picard

Saddam Hussein VS Thailog

Carnage VS Goliath

Homer Simpson VS Vinnie

Owen VS Mr. Morden
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 03:38:17 PM
IP: spider-we042.proxy.aol.com

Todd: Thanks! No, not of late, but I've always liked Blackadder and yes, that did spring to mind when I wrote that! ;)
ED
Sunday, December 13, 1998 03:10:47 PM
IP: p08-puffback-gui.tch.virgin.net

Welcome back, Ed! Been watching "Black Adder" lately? :) (Your use of the words "cunning plan" made me think of that).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 13, 1998 03:02:23 PM
IP: pn5-ppp-226.primary.net

I haven’t posted in here for ages… some of that time with my computer broken, and some of it just not having time. So, briefly…

***SPOILERS!! THOUGH NOT MANY OF THEM…***

New TGS eps: Everything of late has been grand. The death of Renard was well done, but all the possibilities it untangled… delightful. I can’t remember which episode now, but I’m sure one of the eps mentioned the ‘London Times’. There isn’t (or at least as far as I’m aware) a Times for London. There are odd little ‘Times’ local papers for boroughs, but a proper newspaper like that, no. Just the normal ‘The Times’. But obviously all the big papers here are national papers. There was something else that escapes me now. Anyway, that’s just picking ridiculously insignificant nits. It’s great stuff, keep it going! ^_^

***SPOILERS END HERE!***

Todd: You could do that, but you could also simply have a word of explanation as to the purpose of this room at the top of the page. Apart from the odd donut who’ll ignore it, that should filter most of the chatters. Although it also might be an idea to ask Gorebash for a TGS chat room if there really is a demand. Or link to the one on S8.

Mystique: Their absence is a cunning plan to keep us all in suspense. :)

(is it my imagination or are there tonnes more colours than when last I looked?)
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:55:25 PM
IP: p03-puffback-gui.tch.virgin.net

DURID - For goodness' sake, please work on your spelling! No offence, but I found it very difficult to read your posts because of all the spelling errors in them.

One snag with the Illuminati Conspiracy Theory: it doesn't explain the Illuminati being given a prominent role in "To Serve Mankind", and as a thoroughly evil group of arms merchants motivated solely by greed. I doubt that the Illuminati would want something like that to happen.

As for Oberon - more about this when the comment room is cleared, including my personal take on the reason for his arrogance (and that of a lot of his Children).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:39:06 PM
IP: pn5-ppp-226.primary.net

***STAR TREK: INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

Before I say anything, I should probably tell you that I'm in a minority. I didn't like "First Contact" one bit. Fortunately, though, "Insurrection" was an improvement. The humor was good, but it would've been better if it hadn't substituted for character development. The plot was decent, and reminded me of an ep of the original series (which was what the critics were saying), though that also has a downside to it -- the film is too self-contained, like an off-shoot adventure that doesn't tie up any old plot threads or create any new ones. But it was enjoyable. The other thing I didn't like was that they still haven't bothered to explain the relationship (or lack thereof) between Worf and Troi. The book "Imzadi II" explains it, but illiterates out there who don't keep up with the novels are left in the dark...

I liked the iscolinear (sp?) taggers, those were cool. And the sub-space weaponry was a nice touch. :)

Anyone else think the Admiral's death scene was a tad graphic for a ST movie? Hmmm...

***END SPOILERS***
Entity
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:28:30 PM
IP: ely-oh3-07.ix.netcom.com

<I> <B> WHAT HAPPENED TO DARK AGES AND TIMEDANCER?!?!!!!</I> </B>
Mystique
NYC, NJ, Canada
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:44:48 PM
IP: ip246.newark3.nj.pub-ip.psi.net

Sorry for the triple post, but one more example.

Oberon: When he was nearly destroyed by the iron bell, but shown mercy by the Avalon clan, he wasn't angry, but rather surprised at this show of mercy, and so gave it in return. This shows that though Oberon is extreamly arrgonat, he is basically an honorable being.
Durid
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:12:33 PM
IP: dialupd162.mpls.uswest.net

*creeps in*

Thank you everyone. But actually, I turned 16.

*creeps out*
Mary Flanders
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:11:22 PM
IP: ramp-1-27.ucdavis.edu

It's doing it again!!! Why can't I post even moderate length commets?

FIGHTS:
Aiden vs. Emreys: Emereys, he may not have all the power he used to have, but what he does have is 1500 years of experiacne, where Aiden is only like 25 years old, and has been spellcasting for only a few. The fight would end with Aiden trying to get a gob of Duct-tape or Caramel out of her mouth.

TARDIS vs. Pheonx Gate: TARDIS, it can actually cange time, nuff said.

Great, out of time, and can only read a little of the CR! Ah well,

Totureing Chacters: I know this started with Lex only being totured, but I have to put my 2c in here. When you toture a chacter, emotionally or physically, this is usually the best way to show what your chacter is really made of, and make it a turning point in that chacters life.
Example: When Demona viewed the remains of the Wyvern Masscare, she treid to run form her guilt instead of faceing it and Goliath. This running from her guilt has been one of the main motoviations of Demona for the rest of her life.
Example: When Goliath believed that he had lost his love for a second time in his life (last episode of Awakeing), he was going to kill Xanatos. He picked the just awakeing Xanatos and held him over the edge of the castle, saying, "She wanted me to kill humanity. I'll start with you." And he would have done it if his clan had not shown him that this was wrong. Goliath is a Warrior and leader, first and foremost. When something bad happens, he faces it and does something about it, hopefully doing the right thing.

***plug*** Just wondering, since my e-mail seems to be on the fritz, what do you think of my stories? Somebody gave them a 3.5 rating (Dark Future) and a 4.5 (AU - Reawakeing). ***endplug***

***The shadows once again move from their corners, taking Durid with them.***
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:03:36 PM
IP: dialupd162.mpls.uswest.net

***The shadows move from their corners, and when they return Durid is standing before you.***

Ok, problems with my connection seem to be mostly solved, I hope my e-mail is partly, at least I got a SPAM today.... Let's see what is going on, and if Krystina is back yet.

Fluer: No, I didn't recive your e-mail. A black hole seems to be orbiting my box or something...

Robby: My CONSPIRACY THEORY? Ok, it goes like this. Gargoyles was ruined in the third season because of the Illuminiti. Greg's show was becoming popluar, and it had the illuminiti as a major force on the show. They didn't want that sort of attetion, more people would be searching for signs of them about, and make it that much more likely that they would be exposed.
So to solve thei problem, they started 'influencing' the producers (blackmail, bribes, 'suggestions' wispered into their ears, etc.) to purposly ruin Gargoyles. That way, not even other small priducers would try to make Greg's Gargoyles into a show again.

Durid - [durid@bitstream.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:01:46 PM
IP: dialupd162.mpls.uswest.net

ACK! Sorry everyone, please send me your PAIN info at this address! I screwed up the last one.

What's face & heel> Face is a "Good Guy" fighter. Heel is a "Bad Guy" fighter.

Don't forget to check out the web site either.

Thanks all
dojinick - [dojinick@yahoo.com]
MD
Sunday, December 13, 1998 11:32:47 AM
IP: 207-172-148-220.s29.as3.anp.erols.com

**RP ALERT!!**

Doug and his strike team, now disguised as employees of the Marsh Industries Corporation, have entered the company's San Antonio office building. The rest of the group is waiting for them outside in the Onslaught and their other vehicles, ready to come in and help at the first sign of trouble. The Ravens inside easily bypass security with their illusory disguises and stolen cards, then take the elevator up to the 68th floor (of 70). Once there, they find the computer mainframe room (once again it is clearly marked). Doug walks in and tells the guards and technicians inside that he, as executive VP, is preforming a suprise system diagnostic check. He motions to his team to set up their equipment. Doug then tells the real Marsh employees in the room to take the rest of the day off. They all shake their heads, wondering what happened to their boss. But they then smile and walk out, happy to go home to their families. Doug turns to the Ravens' hacker. "How long, Gubio?" "Depends on their system's level of security and how much junk data I have to wade through. With five hundred terrabytes of memory here, I'd say two hours tops." He hooks up his laptop and goes to work; Shap, Keith, and Lathrop meanwhile start packing away the piles of system backup disks in case they don't get time to look at all the data on the computer. Kitainia, Stephanie, Ravyn, and Methos keep watch at the security monitors and doors. While he's waiting for Gubio to find the data they need, Doug turns to make a CR post.

**PAUSE RP**

DumlaoX: With your permission, Kitainia and I would like to make one final change to the one-RP-post-per-person-per-day rule. If it's the day the room gets wiped, each person may make two RP posts, provided one is before the room gets wiped and the other is after. Sound okay?

Aris: I'm glad you posted that commentary. It got me interested in reading the story. I had a lot of major Athenaverse catching-up to do. Now I'm all caught up, and even more eager to read more stories. C'mon and show us more, Ryan, Jewel, etc!

Cyrway: I wanted to shoot Cartman when he came on screen like that, I hated that preview. Needless to say, I'm not a South Park fan and I won't be seeing their movie. In fact, I'm planning to kill off the four kids, plus Jimbo and Ned, in the RP later. I hope nobody gets mad at me for it. :)

Coldstone: Like Kitainia said, we'll be happy to do cards for you. Just send the descriptions our way.

DojiNick: Welcome back! I sent you an e-mail of a PAIN character. Please let me know if you got it. Also, what does Face or Heel mean?

Mandi and Deuce: I'll miss you both for the time you're gone. Merry Christmas.

Coyote: Thanks for answering my pic question. Good reasons.

Teasers: I'm sorry, I was just dying to find out as much about the new ep as I could before it went up. <grin> I bet Herne and his troops will appear in this one. That should be interesting.

***FANFIC PLUGS/TEASERS/SPOILERS***

In my fanfic saga, I have Herne punished for his part in the first Unseelie War with eternal (or at least until Madoc and the others get their powers back) transformation into the legendary white stag. Fitting that he became the ultimate quarry rather than the ultimate hunter. :) Wonder if that really happened in TGS.

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering, I'm about 1/4 of the way through my latest ("Brooklyn at Camelot"). This will be a big one, revealing Duval's true identity and where most of the Unseelie are in my universe. Agony, Seth, and Brooklyn will be in there. So will Arthur, Merlin, Maeve, Duval, and many more! Traveler will be glad to know I'll have a dragon appear in one scene. Now that I have tantalized my fans, on to other things.

***FANFIC PLUGS/TEASERS/SPOILERS END***

Jaden: Good luck with your finals. We'll miss you, too. $Good idea you had for the RP, sorry we couldn't go through with it. But you'll have to create a diversion real soon. Don't worry. <maniacal laughter> $

Happy Birthday to Mary!!

Welcome Brooklyn!! Don't worry, you're not the first to mistake this place for a chat room.

Wilek: $ Here's a card for Raoul:
Stats: Energy 4, Fighting 7, Strength 6, Intellect 3.
Specials (*=OPD): Pounce (Level 4 Fighting attack, may make one additional attack); Stinger (Level 5 Strength or Fighting attack); Acid Spit* (Level 8 Energy attack, may only be blocked by a defensive special); Skull-Crushing Bite* (Level 10 Strength attack); Jump-and-Dodge (avoid one attack); Regeneration (remove 1 permanent record hit).
Seeing the Alien movies helped with that one. :) $

Ash: Welcome to you, too. Killed any more zombies lately? (Wait a minute, you probably aren't THAT Ash. :)

Green Baron: Glad your date went so well. I wish you continual luck with the relationship in the future. Jessica sounds like a very nice girl, and right for you. :) $I'm also glad you took out Jerry Springer. He's my least favorite talk show host. Wonder when Sister Sue and the Orange Duke will make their plots known in the regular RP, if ever. (hint hint) $

To get to my site, click my name below. (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/7293/)

Okay, that's all for now. Later!

**RP RESUMES!!**

Gubio has by now gotten around on all the security viruses and firewalls. He is scanning the system for interesting files. "Alright, full schematics of all the technologies they have license to," he says with a grin. "I'll copy these onto a CD." He does so, pockets the CD, and then keeps looking. "Hmm, the secret diaries of Roger Marsh. Better have a look at that file." He calls it up and begins saving it onto his laptop. Doug's comlink beeps at that moment. "Yeah?" he says into it. "Doug, it's Jammer. We got a problem." "What?" "Jeeper and some of the other bikers stole my car and have all the hostages in it. He's called the Mayor of San Antonio and demanded ninety million dollars for their release. Cobra is pissed as hell, it's taking all of us to keep him from rushing to go pound them. We've been trying to talk some sense into the bikers, no luck. We may need to take them out, as much as I hate to shoot at my own teammates." Doug lets off a string of curses. "Has he identified the hostages and blown our cover?" "Yes." "Oh shoot!" Several Marsh security guards rush into the room and proceed to do so. The Ravens dispel their illusions and begin fighting back as the screen goes out. To be continued!!

**END RP!**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 08:34:58 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zoy-vty23.as.wcom.net

Mary>> <Boy, I feel so grown up. I don't know whether to scream with fear or laugh with happiness.> Laugh, it's so much easier to deal with, especially when you have to learn how to balance that sucker every month. :-) Happy 17th and only four more to go before your legal.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:47:57 AM
IP: proxy-331.public.rwc.webtv.net

**RP WARNING**
Jerry Springer arrives in the CR, hearing about the recent flame war and tries to re-start. As soon as he tries to talk to the two parties involved, the Catholic Schoolgirl Scouts appear. Jerry runs into a secluded corner of the room while trying to offer them a post with specially scripted parts, but they won't listen. Instead, they blast him with their special rosary powers, until he is reduced to palm dust
**END RP WARNING**

Hello all. I've been a wee bit busy over the weekend, but now I can post.

My date> For those who are interested, it was a great evening. First, Jessica and I went to see a play my sister was managing, a Tuna Christmas, which was set in a small town in Texas named Tuna (does such a town exist, Spike or Robby?), which was hillarious. Next, we took the streetcar all the way downtown, where we went to the Riverwalk and watched the Mississippi River for about an hour. Then I took her aboard the Algeirs Ferry, which takes us from downtown to the Algeirs, a part of the West Bank. By that time, it was midnight, so we took the street car back home (we both live in uptown New Orleans and along the streetcar line). I had a wonderful time, and so did she. It's been over a year since I've had a girlfriend, but now I have one again. I can't wait to see what we do for the next date. Jessica and I played this one by ear. A new concept for a left brainer like me :)

Mary> Happy 17th. Bank accounts are great. I've had one since I was born,a nd I was always enjoyed making deposits in them. A really neat thing is to save up your pennies until you get $1,000. Then, put it into a Money Market Fund with your bank. They offer a slightly better yield than a standard bank account, and you can wirte a limited number of checks each month, but I think you need to mainatin $1,000 at all times, though you may need that for College. Anyway, they are great things to ahve in this time. I have a Savings, Checking, and Investment account, and once I get a job again, I will start filling up all three coffers :)

Robby> I didn't start dating until I was 17, and then it was sporaidc at best. After my first break up, it took me a year to start dating again,a nd that trend has followed eevr since. I just hope this relationship lasts longer than a few months, and it seems likely. Unlike my last girlfriend, Jessica is much more moral and she likes cats. She also finds it hillarious that my cat is a Minister.

Cyrway> I feel sorry for Wagner after you made him do the German dance. Now he needs some special Bavarian cheesy poofs :)

Doug> Thanks for the invitation of good luck, I think ;) I haven't seen your site. Did you post a link?
$Don't forget to grab some paste picante in San Antonio$

DumaloX> I hope your finals go well. I imagine you didn't need that when you saw the CR. I hope it's okay if I kill Jerry Springer in the RPs :)

Deuce> When was the alst time you dated? When I ws 14, I was much too nervous to ask any girl out.

Stormy> I guess I should give Sadaam Hussein a nice can of refried beans, since Terrence and Philip have demonstarted ho wuseful such food is in saving Canada from smelly Turkish dictators:)
BTW, my roomate loved that episode. He preferred it to the regular SP, because they didn't make fun of Jesus. His name is Kyle, so I occassionally tease him by calling him Kyle Brozlofski.

**RESUME RP**
Jerry Springer is now dusted, and thousands applaus his demise. The Catholci schoolgirl scouts look at the time and Ave Mara says, "It's almost 8:30. We need to get back home to pray the Rosary and then watch South Park."
Therese's only comment is, "Yeah! Kickass!"
**END RP WARNING**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:13:55 AM
IP: 212-53-36.ipt.aol.com

Gargoyles card game? Use the Illuminati: New World Order card game. It rocks! :)
Ash
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:54:19 AM
IP: ps1he.ss.wave.shaw.ca

24-25 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!

DumlaoX- I think its safe to say it was just a slow day. Though it would have been fun if everyone else had decided to go with the gag and not post at all for the day except for one line comments... Hey guys, lets try that April 1rst, if any of us remember to!

***STAR TREK 9 SPOILERS?***
Aris- I disagree, the humor was one of the best parts of ST:I. similar to how great it was in in the fourth and eigth films.. Becuase if ST:I hadn't had any of that humor, it would have been a very boring film indeed, like every other big budget movie filled with explosions. I did have a problem with Data being the only one to get any of the REALLY good lines tho'... (Yeah, Riker got that bit in with why he shaved his beard off, and Picard got one or two, and Worf was the butt of a few jokes, but Data got almost all the great and memorable lines, including the one when he came out of the hay...)

On the other hand, the movie did have a problem in the aspect that Gates McFadden, Marina Sirtis, and Levarr Burton all again got dissed in respect to having an important part... Ah well, Patrick Stewart has sworn up and down that this is his last Trek outing so next movie the other characters may get a bigger bit of the spotlight without Picard in there...

***END STAR TREK 9 SPOILERS***

Doug- Teasers? Don't encourage them! They've already teased us last week about Monday's story, we don't need another teaser!

Spike- Oh, a teaser. See Doug? See what you did? Now I'm really starting to hope its the story where Griff returns to Brianna! And I'm going to look a fool for posting that guess if I'm totally wrong! See what you did Doug?

Mary- Happy B-day!

Brooklyn- You couldn't have picked a better screen name. The beaked one is my favorite garg... Lurk for a few days, and you'll get the feel of this place. And... WELCOME TO THE MADNESS!

Gee, that "Welcome to the Madness" bit... Didn't I say that twice just the other day?
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:50:33 AM
IP: spider-ta084.proxy.aol.com

***RP WARNING!!!***

At Thailog's secret base, the Masked Lich is discussing the results of their most recent failed operation with Thailog, Guod, Asil, the old Russian man in a wheelchair (Gennady Bucharev), and General Zale. "So your hypnotism plan failed?" Thailog asks M.L. "Give me one good reason to let you live." "Because I'm even more powerful now and I can still be of use to you," M.L. snaps back. "Undeath has made something very clear to me. The only thing keeping us from world conquest is that the Black Ravens and their friends are still alive. Therefore we must kill them. Once we do, the plan will easily proceed." "Finally," Asil grins. "You're seeing things my way!" "I have a plan to eliminate them," M.L. goes on. "Give me some of Guod's elite Borg, any more of the Ravens' old enemies you have remaining, and that book we found in Area 51's Storage Room 3A. We shall then go forth and destroy them all." Guod thinks for a moment. "I've just lost a lot of Borg up on the Dark Star, and my four top lieutenants are all still recovering from the wounds suffered in their last battle with the Ravens. I don't know how many more I can spare. Oh fine, I'll give you Borg Kyler and the four brats he picked up in that small town a few days ago. And their two rather heavily armed relatives. Use them well." "I'll send Vijay (evil Indonesian bully Doug met in Taiwan), Ms. Teppen (b&*%h principal of Kitainia's), Melanie, Clayton (another wicked ex of Doug's and her jerk boyfriend), Grant (a grade school arch-nemesis of Tricia's), Preston, Cora (the maid who stole Doug's toy collection when he was thirteen), and her two burglar pals with you," says Asil. "I want to hold the others in reserve." "Deal," M.L. smirks. "Bucharev, your spy better keep us posted on their activities. Let's get on to San Antonio and find them. I'll go get the book."

The screen changes to the hotel, where Doug is talking to Jaden. "A small diversion is a good idea," he says. "Certainly easier than our current plan. But diversions only last so long and we don't how long Gubio will need to find what he needs in their systems. Therefore, we need to use our current plan. This way, they won't know what's happening until it's too late and we can still accomplish our mission." Jaden nods, understanding the reason behind the plan. Kitainia is meanwhile talking to Janice, assuring her that the crimes they're committing to break into the Marsh Building are very necessary. After Janice nods, writes a few things on her clipboard, and then walks away, Kitainia breathes a sigh of relief and turns to face the CR.

***PAUSE RP***

$That was not easy. Oh well, at least she got convinced. Now if the plan will just go off right.$

Doug: What are you talking about? They've been giving us teasers! Thank you for them, Spike! It sounds like it'll be a great episode.

Mandi and Deuce: Miss you both. Come back real soon, okay?

Aris: The bad humor was one of my main beefs with the movie. Glad you mentioned it.

StephenRS: We're actually doing the cards for ourselves and anyone who asks nicely. Since you already have, we'll be glad to do some for you. Feel free to send Doug or me the descriptions.

DojiNick: Welcome back! Long time no see! Thanks for your PAIN game offer, Doug will be mailing you stats for his character Agony (who he wants in there) in a few minutes.

OP vs. Magic: Doug and I like OverPower mostly because of the simple rules. If someone wants to make Gargoyles character cards for Magic or any other game, feel free. We're not going for a monopoly here, after all. It's best if one can have Gargoyles character cards for whatever game they prefer, should they want them.

Coyote: $I also like your freaks. Do whatever you like with them. $

New Austin Powers Movie: We didn't see the preview for it here. Hope it's as good as the first one (with less sex humor) and that they bring back Scott.

Mary: Happy Birthday!! I too am wondering when the new issue of Avalon Mists will be up.

Wilek: Your stats were selected based on what Doug and I thought you have as far as energy, fighting ability, strength, and intellect on a scale of 2-8. They have nothing to do with any evil clones or superstitiously bad numbers. It's the same for all the cards we make.

Okay, that's all for now. Later!

***RP AGAIN!***

Cobra walks up to Kitainia and hands her a wallet. "We snatched nine employees' wallets. You're an executive secretary named Mira Cassady. Keith's a janitor, Gubio's a supervising computer tech, and Doug's Daniel Kilmer, Marsh's executive vice president. Lathrop's his bodyguard. The rest are various low-level employees." Kitainia nods. "Okay, sounds like these cards should give us pretty high-level clearance. What about the people you took them from?" "Jeeper thought they might report the thefts, he's probably right. So we've taken them all prisoner. They're in the back of the Onslaught tied up. We can release them after we've completed the mission." "Alright," Kitainia nods, pocketing the wallet. "Let's get over there. You're sure Jeeper and the rest of your gang won't try anything funny with the hostages? I know how paranoid Jeeper is and how devious." "He better not," Cobra growls. "He does, and I'll pop him." "Good enough," says Kitainia. The screen fades out. To be continued.

***END RP!!!***
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:55:39 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ppk-vty46.as.wcom.net

**RP (AND NAUSEATING GRAPHIC VIOLENCE)!**

[Wilek and the team are in the process of helping the Dark Star's newly acquired Borg shock troops and scuttlers drive off Zale's forces and Jerec's Dark Jedi. Forfexx: "Hm, I've been dying to try this..." Forfexx shifts to his liquid metal form and leaps down the throat of one of Zale's troops. The soldier tries to breathe for a moment, not being able to inhale since his lungs are full of Forfexx...then the shapeshifter bursts a liquid metal tentacle-drill out of the trooper's throat and drills it through his eye socket into his brain. Wilek: "ECCH! That's the sickest thing I've ever seen! What the <expletive deleted> is WRONG with you?!" Forfexx (while he's burrowing out of the trooper's chest): "Heh heh heh...that's nothing, You should see me when I'm feeling REALLY creative." W: "Ew, I just don't want to know. Yeesh."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Doug> $ I don't know a thing about OP (or any other card game), but I think the cards you've been making are extremely kewl anyhow; that's why I've been saving them. I LOVED mine, especially the way you incorporated my changing-into-a-human-during-the-day condition and such. Quite creative. (Some of the specials probably only apply in the RP and not in my fanfics {at least not yet}, but hey I'm not complaining! :D Hm, my stats abbreviate to 4-6-6-6. Something to do with being the 'original' of Dark Mage Wilek?) $

**SPOILERS FOR MY FANFICS**

Torturing characters in fanfic> The character I do that to is myself. And I never even realized it till just now. Look at what I've gotten into so far: I almost drowned in my own blood in my first fic and I was drunk for most of my second. And I plan to keep doing things like this. I don't know why.

**END SPOILERS**

Deuce> YOU'RE leaving too?! ACK! They're dropping like flies, going down left and right! Our room is dying around us and we're powerless to prevent it! ACK ACK ACK AAAACCCCKKKK!!!!

Cyrway> LOL at what you did to Wagner! (I'm sure I've heard that 'I will do the German dance for you' thing somewhere...)

Brooklyn> Are you THE Brooklyn? :P Kidding. Welcome! We tend to frown upon sanity here; do please leave it at home, or at least keep it in a sound-proof container. :D (My sanity actually committed suicide a few months ago.)

dojinick> Welcome back!

Mary Flanders> Happy birthday!

**RESUME RP (AND GRAPHIC VIOLENCE)!**

[The fight continues. This time, Forfexx shifts his right arm into a diamond-blade thingcutter and saws a trooper's arm off, then beats him to death with it. W: "OK, you're officially insane." Thanks Aris! :) W (continued): "Hey...does anyone remember what I did with my Resurrect Three card from a few weeks ago?" Miriam: "Aren't you carrying it?" W: "No. Are any of you?" Everyone says they aren't. W: "The last I saw of it was at the party...uh oh..."

Meanwhile, in Thailog's secret base, SJ's dad is wondering why Thailog had him gather the remains of three of Wilek's clones that were killed a few months ago...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:51:19 PM
IP: tnt-2-112-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

*creeps in*

Howdy all! Yesterday was my birthday!!!!!!!! *balloons and confetti fall from the ceiling* (ahem) anyway, my parents open an acount for me to put the $50 that my aunt sent me. Boy, I feel so grown up. I don't know whether to scream with fear or laugh with happiness. I got some nice stuff too.

Christine>when is the new issue of Avalon Mists gonna be up? We're all dying with anticipation!!!!!

*Creeps out*

Mary Flanders
Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:46:12 PM
IP: ramp-1-12.ucdavis.edu

****SHORT RP!!!****
"Doug, perhaps it would be easier is we could create a small diversion. That way everyone will be too busy running around trying to figure out what's going on rather than give you any trouble."
****END SHORT RP****

Just thought I'd stop by and tell everyone that I won't be here very much till Wednesday since I have finals (AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH).

Insurrection: hee hee ha haa haa HHHHAAA HA HA!! That conversation between Data and Worf was funny.

Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:38:38 PM
IP: pm1-16.sma.silcom.com

**RP!!!!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote and the Gearhead doing a 29-point check over the tank before heading out to the Marsh building. The sound of the elevator opening distracts them both, as they see Jojo come down.**

What's up, Jojo?

<"I'm thirsty ..." "When is he not ...?">

Come on, man, be nice! **turns to Jojo** I've got a cooler of Faygo in the tank, help yourself.

<"Cool!"> **Jojo jumps into the tank, followed by the sounds of loud swallowing.**

Good, he's satisfied. Keep doing the inspection, man. I've got comments to make.

**END 1ST HALF RP!!**

**BEGIN DISCUSSION ABOUT ST: INSURRECTION**

Previews: We got to the theater once they had started ... the only one I seem to recall was ... the "STAR WARS" TRAILER!! YESSS!!!

**composes self**

Sorry. But that's gonna be one kick-@$$ movie!!

Fire Storm: The theater I always go to is Chesterfield Crossing 12. And the audience reaction to Data's line nearly drowned out the soundtrack for about thirty seconds.
Although ... I'm thinking that I'll go to the Star at 15 and Gratiot to see "Star Wars."
Best subtly funny part of the movie: Picard finally admitting how much shore leave he's got coming. ;)

**END TALK OF ST:INSURRECTION**

Wilek: I can see why you like that pic.

Doug: $Actually, I considered "traditional" freaks like the Bearded Lady, but then figured that I would want to be with truly *unusual* freaks like our friend Jojo in the tank, or Harry.$
And I picked the picture because:
1. I happen to have a soft spot for Lex, too. I'm not just a Broadway fan, Lex is the one I really feel for, I empathize with him for some reason, especially the way a lot of fic writers write him (like Spike.).
2. I named the car after him. Obvious one.
3. The pose he's in reminds me a lot of the throbbing migraine I give myself on a regular basis just dealing with people ... in my job, on the road, whatever. Sometimes I wish I could just curl up and press my temples until the world goes away ... probably about the time I crush my own skull. (j/k)

Cyrway: I never said there was anything wrong with torture. I just don't do it ... *yet.* Keep reading, eventually you'll see what happens to *my* Lexington.

**RESUME RP!!!**

<"The tank checks out, boss. Everything's up to milspecs.">

Thank you.

<BELLLLLLLLCH!!! "What ... the ... *hell* was that?!">

Jojo? You okay in there?

**Jojo climbs out of the tank, his tongue hanging out of his mouth.**

<"Excuse me. Oh, and I'm not thirsty anymore ...">

That's good. Must've been all the carbonation in the Faygo, it finally satisfied him.

**Jojo climbs out of the tank, toward Coyote and the Gearhead. He pulls out a 6-quart canteen and begins drinking again as the screen winks out.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, December 12, 1998 10:27:40 PM
IP: modem87.i-is.com

It's been a while since I've made my way back to this room.

TGS writers> LOVE SEASON 2! ROCK ON!!!

Christine> When are new fanfics coming out?!? I love your stuff!

If we are are the topic of creating cards for Gargoyle characters why not use Magic and L5R instead of Overpower? I like Overpower but I think it lack on freedom to really personalize the characters. Give me feedback

***SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT***
Wanna be part of a on-line wrestling/brawling league? Join PAIN (The Game of Damage). Anyone can enter and it's FREE! No hidden charges, no membership fee. NO COST. Click on the link to go to the home webpage and/or send me an e-mail for your character. All you need to do is answer the following(nothing personal)

Name of Fighter:
M/F:
Heel or Face:
Special Move:
Special Weapon:
Bio (short or long):

I promise to e-mail back any other info that is needed if interested.
***END OF SHAMELESS PLUG***
dojinick - [dojinnick@yahoo.com]
East Coast
Saturday, December 12, 1998 10:23:58 PM
IP: 207-172-149-94.s31.as5.anp.erols.com

DumlaoX: THIS link should work.
A complete zip archive of the CR's.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 09:24:32 PM
IP: 209.117.148.152

Starsinger enters the comment room floating on air.
It was a long tiring day at work and I almost decided not to go to the Christmas Renfaire. I did anyway. Ann Marie was there and I ordered my picture. She does fantasy art and I and everyone else in town hadn't seen or hear from her for years. She was there. My picture of Bast will be arriving sometime in January. The picture shows a stone goddess Bast with a black cat curled up in her lap. It is just too precious. The other one I want for my birthday is the Temple of Bast where everyone is dancing outside Bast's temple.

Little sister got her webtv hooked up and I'm just a button away now.

Starsinger floats back out.

Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 09:06:48 PM
IP: proxy-341.public.rwc.webtv.net

Doug: Just hit me, your Overpower Cards... Are you just doing this for yourself, or can anyone get a card made for themselves or one of their Fanfic characters? Be nice to see how my main characers (Jessica & David DeGuy, Roxy, Mike McCoy, Rat, and Stephen Edwards) stand up in that game. Care to take them on? I'll send you descripts by email if you wish.

Spike> I am looking forward to the new ep!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, December 12, 1998 08:38:48 PM
IP: m25.ieway.com

BROOKLYN - This is a comment room, not a chat room. (There are times when I can't help wondering if we should change the name of this place from the "TGS Comment Room" to the "TGS Not-A-Chat Room", but that would probably make things too confusing).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 12, 1998 08:14:38 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-152.primary.net

Hello
Brooklyn
Saturday, December 12, 1998 07:47:06 PM
IP: 207-172-73-128.s128.tnt1.man.erols.com

Hi?
Brooklyn
Saturday, December 12, 1998 07:46:00 PM
IP: 207-172-73-128.s128.tnt1.man.erols.com

There's hunters in the woods......

...."My Lady Fair" finds out who in two more days.
Spike
Saturday, December 12, 1998 06:19:25 PM
IP: dal-as3-2102.cmpu.net

An Austin Powers 2 preview with ST:I? Odd.... (I've heard the tentative title is "The Spy Who Shagged Me". Hehehehe...). Our previews were for "Varsity Blues", "The Mod Squad" (both must-see movies), and another one I forget. No Star Wars. :-P

Anyone here familiar with the programming language of a TI-83 calculator? Like, REALLY familiar?

ROBBY> Got the list. Many thanks.

Now, the bad news: I may or may not be posting to the room next week, due to severe intrusion of RL (nothing I will go into here). There is a good chance I will be able to do nothing but lurk until the start of Christmas vacation. We'll see on Monday, but in case this is my last post, take care of yourselves. See ya!

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, City of Champions, Canada
Saturday, December 12, 1998 05:50:48 PM
IP: ppp080.connect.ab.ca

Hmph...

ST:IX INSURRECTION SPOILER!!!

I thought it was good. Not as good as my favourite, First Contact, but good enough, especially the gag about the boobs...

I think the best part of the movie was one of the previews...the most hi-tech animation of all time...

CARTMAN: Damn, I'm huge!

I will do the German Dance for you...*starts dancing, then stops.* Heh...South Park. I'm there...

END SPOILER!!!

Heh, back to serious stuff...right...

Coyote, Re: Torturing the shrimp: So? We gave Lex a mate and kid...never stopped us from torturing him...of course, Chimura just so happens to be a technophobe...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TORTURE!!!

*Wagner sulks out, wearing leiterhosen.*
WAGNER: Why me?
CYRWAY: This is to make up for when you had me swear "Mein Gott!" while talking to Jenny...
WAGNER: No fair!
CYRWAY: No fair nothing. Start dancing.
*Wagner sighed, and starts dancing.*
CYRWAY: Sing.
WAGNER: "I will do the German dance for you..."

I spare no one.

WAGNER: I'm not even one of your characters...
CYRWAY: Did I tell you to stop dancing and singing?
WAGNER: Somewhere in Canada, I bet Stormy's torturing Caligo just as bad...
CYRWAY: Cal's a big boy...he can take care of himself...

I'm having way too much fun here...

Valete! *ptoof!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 05:23:15 PM
IP: ddialup-w-141.mint.net

Yeah, people, let's get the discussion moving, why don't we?

*** SPOILERS ABOUT INSURRECTION ***

I've not yet seen the movie, nor shall I for a while until it comes to my country, but I've read a synopsis and I've heard a lot of things said in a Trek board I am a regular in, etc...

Anyway I think the movie has two main problems: a) The bad humour b) The overuse of many TNG cliches.

Think about it: We have a crew-against-Data plot, we have an alien-love-interest-of-the-week, we have a stupid admiral, we have a planet=one village, we have the prime-directive reference.

From the comments I've gathered from others it seems to be disliked most by Trek fans, but liked by outsiders. Trek fans know that Trek has done far better than this, and they know that those plot-elements have been overused. Non-trekkers don't.

Anyway, the above is just a guess since as I said I haven't yet seen the movie.

*** END SPOILERS FOR INSURRECTION ***

Btw, for those interested in the Athenaverse, Jewel Faulkner recently posted her two new stories in the Lux Perpetua series. A lot of stuff happens and...


*** BEGIN SPOILERS FOR JEWEL FAULKNER'S STORIES ***

... and the story becomes at the same time more complicated and more simple. One character dies, this time for the final time, but two more (whose coming had been foretold) are born, Christian, the son of Shiva, and Hope, the daughter of Erika and Alexander. We have finally an explanation for how Puck knew when and where to go, so atleast *that* plot-hole is filled, becoming a plot-point rather. We have a lot more stuff concerning Ma'at. Mark Adams has a welcome reappearance. We learn what happens to Ares after the incomplete 'Stitch in Time', though not how. And Athena also comes back, but how is again an open question.

And ofcourse, as usual with Jewel Faulkner, there's a lot of opera, and a lot of singing, and something new: religious references and imagery.

And I *still* haven't given the feedback to the writer I had been meaning to write.

**** END SPOILERS FOR JEWEL FAULKNER'S STORIES ****

Hmm... I think perhaps I should have posted this last commentary on Lux Perpetua in the main comment room, since I haven't posted much there in quite a while. But nothing forbids me from posting it twice, right? :)
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 05:02:02 PM
IP: athe530-c072.otenet.gr

***RP WARNINGS!!!***

Doug and those with him are gathered in one of the Hilton's meeting rooms, discussing plans for their information raid on San Antonio's Marsh Building. "Let's all get our guns, go in there, and shoot everybody," Traveler suggests. "Innocent people might get hurt if we do that," says Keith. "Why don't we sneak in, get what we need, then get out without shooting anybody?" Jammer-"What if they try to shoot us?" "The idea is, they don't see us," Keith sighs. "With all the people we have here?" Jammer grins. "Never happen." "I'm all for the nonviolent method, guys," Doug says. "Let's do this. Gubio, Keith, Kitainia, Steph, Methos, Shap, Lathrop, Ravyn, and myself go in there and get the info we need from their computers. Everyone else waits outside, if there's trouble we'll call you. Okay?" Shap looks worried. "Doug, how we gonna bypass security? They could be expecting us." "Lathrop's illusions, plus some fake IDs. Cobra, I want you and your bikers to go to the building, scout it out, then find nine Marsh employees and steal their wallets. We can alter their security cards to match our disguises. And we'll return the wallets, complete with money, to the building lost and found while we're making our escape. Everyone agree?" They begin discussing the plan. Doug turns to face the CR. ***RP PAUSE***

$ First off, here's the OP card for Wilek:
Stats: Energy 4, Fighting 6, Strength 6, Intellect 6.
Specials (*=OPD): Fighting Skills (Level 4 Fighting attack, may be combined with a power card or another special); Cyberspace Expertise (prevent target opponent from attacking for remainder of battle); Miriam's Partner (may play any of Miriam's specials for remainder of battle); Change Form (avoid one attack); Eagle Rush* (Hades and Tenebria swoop and attack enemy, counts as level 8 energy, strength, or fighting attack); Dark Star* (Level 10 Energy, Strength, Fighting, or Intellect attack); Raoul's Master (may use any Raoul special, I'll have his card up later); Connections in Widespread Places (remove one permanent record hit). $

Mandi: We'll miss you. Merry Christmas! And a happy new year!!

ST:I: I liked it. Maybe Kitainia couldn't really appreciate it since she isn't a Trekkie. Then again, I'm not either and I throughly enjoyed the film. <shrug> Oh well.

$ Coyote: I like those sideshow freaks you dreamed up. Guess all the traditonal ones like the Bearded Lady and the Fat Man got killed in our raid on the circus. $ BTW, I noticed you've started using Lexington for a pic. Any particular reason why you've stopped going without one?

Wilek: Glad I'm not the only one who's saving the cards in a .txt file.

DumlaoX: It's a slow day. I'm sure of it.

Website: Glad everyone who's seen it so far likes it. I know there's not much, but I will fill up all of the 11 MB I got that I can. After the holidays, of course.

New TGS ep: Are we going to get any teasers for it today? Huh? Huh? Please say yes? :)

That's all for now. Later!

**RP AGAIN** Many of the team still wants to go into the Marsh building with weapons blazing, but the rest convince them it's better to sneak in and get what they need without possibly harming innocent employees. The bikers leave to go steal some IDs as the screen fades out. To be continued next time.

***END RP***
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:48:23 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zow-vty74.as.wcom.net

Please tell me this is just a slow day. I'd hate to scare people away :)

FIRE STORM-- Your link won't lemme see the directory.

JOHNATHAN-- Flood the box. Mail me what you got :)

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:13:34 PM
IP: pool0034-max2.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

Only 1 post in the last 12 hours? And that's only one line? Hey DumlaoX, I think you scared everybody off.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:06:21 PM
IP: spider-tn061.proxy.aol.com

Just letting everyone know I'm still alive.
SOROW
Saturday, December 12, 1998 02:42:54 PM
IP: usr4-1-dialup31.mix1.irving.cw.net

"I ate him." LOL! That line gets funnier the more I think about it!

25-26 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON TWO!!!
6 DAYS UNTIL PRICE OF EGYPT!
2 DAYS UNTIL THE NEW EPISODE COMES OUT!

Mandi- I also wonder where Morgana is...

Spike- New story! Woohoo!

DumlaoX- I shall abide by the rules, as I always have.

***SPOILERS FOR STAR TREK INSURRECTION***

Actually, one of the coolest things was the preview for the second Austin Power's movie. For those of you who have seen it, you know why. It's a very clever preview that had me rolling in my seat, and I can't say more than that, or it kills the surprise about it... No one else spoil it either! I'm giving that preview my highest honors, even though I still haven't seen the first movie...

Now Inssurection Spoilers... One aspect I liked was how they fit in all the species from DS9 and actually mentioned events going on in the show... That was a nice touch, in much the same way it was cool that DS9 mentioned the destruction of the Enterprise after movie 7, and the uniforms all changed after movie 8.

I agree, one of the best lines in the movie WAS Data's bit to Worf... (AND NO ONE BLAB WHAT THAT LINE IS!) In fact, the whole blasted movie was hilarious, reminiscent to Star Trek 4 in the humor department... I particularly liked the scene where Riker lost his beard, and Data's reaction later...
The music was as great as anything Jerry Goldsmith has done, the special effects were marvelous... The story was only a few steps behind Wrath of Khan, but it did lack... Something... I'm not sure what...

ANY Trek fan will love the movie. And if your not a Trek fan... It probably won't be quite as much fun, cause a lot of the good stuff comes from knowing the characters.

***END INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

One of the really cool things about the movie though, was the setup the theater had. All around the building they had these mock high tech panels on the walls, so it felt like, as you traveled through the building, that you were actually on a ship! The ticket handlers were dressed in Starfleet uniforms! One guy played a Vulcan, and one woman had the spots of a trill! And to top it all off, in the center of the building... A life sized shuttlecraft you could actually go into. Now THAT is movie endorsement...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:12:53 AM
IP: spider-wb011.proxy.aol.com

Isn't that pic eerily reminiscent of Miriam?
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, December 12, 1998 03:23:10 AM
IP: tnt-2-66-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP!**

[At the Dark Star, Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, SJ, Frankie, Dark Mage Wilek, and the two vampire eagles are standing by as the Dark Star's computer systems administrator and the Doom Commandoes attempt to take control of Guod's invasion force. Wilek: "Hey, whatever happened to those two Dark Jedi that Anoth killed? Their bodies are gone." Forfexx: "I ate them." Jake: "Ecch." Administrator: "<gasp> No...we are the Borg...resistance is...<sigh> They almost reclaimed me..." Wilek: "What happened?" Admin.: "The Borg here almost drew me into their collective. I am currently in the process of writing new encryption routines into the computer's security systems, to keep that from happening again."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Dumlao X> I apologize most profusely, and I wholeheartedly agree to abide by the rules and not forget them like I did. (It's terribly easy to be drawn into that kind of thing without quite realizing it, especially for such absentminded gargoyles as myself. Maybe there should be a link in here that leads to a page with the rules on it or something.) And thank you so much for not simply letting your anger (however justifiable) get the better of you and deleting the place. (As I've said, a good long loud roar can be very cathartic. :) ) As for all the difficulties going on in your life...wow, you're taking it a LOT better than I would in your place. I would have just gone bionuclear and started throwing cars in many random directions long ago. :) I hope things start improving for you. (BTW, about that rant: Way to take charge, man. THAT will put respect for authority into a few people, I think! ^_^)

Thank the will of Avalon, this place is back to normal! Now to business:

Chyna Rose> Welcome, and I am *quite* sorry you had to see that. (Isn't that what I said to the last few newcomers? ^_^) I'm sure you'll get the hang of this kind of forum. I did, eventually. That's when my sanity left, and I haven't seen or missed it since. :)

Doug> Very kewl Miriam card. MIB? Hm...come to think of it, her organization *could* have something to do with them...I'll have to ask her about that. BTW, I've been saving all your OP cards in a TXT file. Just in case.

JEB> Continuing the subject of the OP cards, if you'd like to post the cards of Miriam, myself, or any of my teammates that Doug will be creating on your site, feel free to do so. (There's a pic of me and Miriam at my site {click my name} you can use for graphics; Coyote drew it so you might need his permission. Yes that was a shameless plug.)

Star Trek Insurrection> I'm waiting for the video release (and I think I'm in for a long wait). Somehow I prefer watching movies in the comfort of my own home.

Torturing Lex in fics> I won't be doing that, mostly because the canon Gargs characters are little more than guest stars in my series anyhow...

Kyryn> Hm, somehow I doubt our body chemistry is all that different from humans'.

Mandi> Ack, you have to leave? You'll be missed, friend.

Aris> <<Ok, you are officially insane>> Heh...that's a pretty good line. Right up there with "I ate him". (I really must try and work both into my fics...)

GB> If I haven't already said it, congratulations on your date!

**RESUME RP!**

[Admin.: "Success! The Borg are ours to command!" A cheer rises from most of the team. Miriam: "The first order of business is to clear General Zale's troopers out of the station. Then we can see to repairing the Dark Star's systems and driving off the Imperial fleet." Wilek: "Then we have to worry about figuring out how Thailog managed to get allied with the Dark Jedi...and there's the matter of taking down General Zale before he can kill us." SJ: "Maybe we should get rid of Zale when we're done here. He sounds like a more immediate threat." W: "Right. But first things first everyone: let's kick some militia tail!" Everyone except the Administrator (she has a station's computer to run) goes out to help their newly-acquired Borg troops rid the station of General Zale's men.]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, December 12, 1998 03:21:52 AM
IP: tnt-2-66-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hi all!!

DumlaoX: I've got 27+ Comment rooms, I'll let you e-mail me if you want any of them. It's a bit much to clog your E-mail with.

Goodnight all!!!
Jonathan - [pbroeder@wave.co.nz]
NEW ZEALANDSaturday, December 12, 1998 02:38:04 AM
IP: wh5003.wave.co.nz

DumlaoX: The CR Archives you wanted should be up on my site by 3am Saturday Morning.
Clickie my link for the page that has them all.
(But I can only keep them on until Monday. I am exceeding my webspace limit with these puppies!)

October-thru-Current will come later (Possibly even Saturday Night). DOn't want to push it!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 02:00:30 AM
IP: dhcp185.visitus.net

Green Baron: Thanks for the Twelve days of Cajun Christmas! It was a riot!

***START STAR TREK SPOILER!***

Saw Star Trek, and I must say that "First Contact" was better, but it was still good. And, damnit, I missed the Star Wars trailer. <Harumph!>

At the end, when Data climed out of the pile of hay, I REALLY expected him to say "Was a romp indeed!"

Coyote: I must agree with you on the Quote from Data to Worf! ROFL! Should have heard the theater! (Out of curiousity, what theater?)

Speaking of the Star Trek movie:
Riker was on a planet that granted Imortality... Hmm...
And so was Troi... Even more Hmm...
And Puck...
All either immortals or want to be immortal in Gargoyles.
Fascinating.

***END STAR TREK SPOILER!***

Yikes! I missed congrating Green Baron: Good luck on your date!

I've been noticing something... when I write stories, I actually find more time to come onto the CR's. Interesting...
(FYF, it's a Spawn!)

DumlaoX: That Incomplete Japanise song was SUPPOSED to be Fish Heads, but I copyied the wrong file.
Oh yeah, I sent you the TGS themes on the CD, also! <G>

DumlaoX's Rant: Wow. Damn. (No complaint. Just amazed at the rant. It was about time. :)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 12:49:29 AM
IP: dhcp197.visitus.net

***RP HERE!***

**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote's ultra-crowded hotel room, now crowded with Coyote, his party, Ravyn, and the former freakshow of the Dingaling Brothers circus. At about this time Doug walks into the hotel room.**

Hey, Doug, how's it goin'?

<"All right, I guess. Have we figured out who-all's here?">

Yeah, I think I've got it down. You already met the waterbuffalo man, Freddie, and here's the seal boy, Johnny. Over there's Jojo, the thirsty boy. **points to a teenager guzzling out of an ice bucket** And right over there is Harry, the medium-head boy. **points to a man struggling with long division.** And right here next to me is Lucy and Susie, the conjoined twins. (BTW, twenty cybercookies to whoever knows where Jojo and Harry come from, it's two different shows)

<"So are you with us when we move out?">

Sure are. I've told the folks all about our mission, they're with us.

<"Good. Now, are you going to make some posts?">

Indeed, I think I will.

***END 1ST HALF RP!!!***

***BEGIN ST: INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

Kitiania: Now I thought ST:I was one of the better Trek films ... especially some of the quotable lines out of it (my grandmother didn't even like TNG, but had to laugh at Data's question of Worf.). I would quote some of them here, but I think I'll wait until everyone in here gets to see the film.

***END ST:INSURRECTION SPOILERS!!***

Chyna Rose: Welcome! Hey, didn't you submit yourself to WCC?

Fire Storm: I finally heard what happened to the guy who got hit on my lunch hour last week. Read in the local free newspaper, the guy was from Ohio and was currently still in critical condition with life-threatening head injuries. Evidently what happened was that he thought the truck had passed, not knowing that there was a second trailer; it was the second trailer that hit him. going about 50 mph.

Thanks to everyone for the compliments on the new fic! You guys are the best!

Torturing Lexington: Once and for all, I do not torture Lex in my fics!! I gave him a mate and child, for Oberon's sake!! He's *happy!!* It may not last for long, but for now he's happy, leave me alone, I don't torture Lex!

**composes self**

Sorry. But let me reiterate: I like Lexington. Hell, I named my car after him. Why would I want to put him through the wringer?

Robby: I will remember. Even if I have to be up until 4am tomorrow night, I'll read "Into the Woods" and your fics (we're planning on putting up our X-mas tree tomorrow night, that's why I said that.).

Kyryn: PLEEEEEEASE tell me they didn't loan you a 3-cylinder! God, I can't even understand HOW a car can even RUN with less than four cylinders ... I mean, four-bangers are bad enough, but THREE ... ?!

Mandi: We'll miss ya while you're gone!

***RESUME RP!!!***

<"Well, I think I'm about ready to hit the hay, myself.">

Yeah I understand, it's late. **quickly whispered conversation between Coyote, Lucy and Susie** Okay, you two can go, first. **the twins stand up.**

<"What's going on?">

Forming the bathroom line. Don't mind them.

**The sideshow refugees form the line for the lone bathroom in the hotel room as Doug leaves and the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, December 11, 1998 11:09:34 PM
IP: modem89.i-is.com

**BEGIN ST:INSURRECTION NOT-REALLY-SPOILERS-BUT-I'M-PLAYING-IT SAFE**

Hm. Lighthearted?? I would have never guessed that from the previews. I read a particularly scathing review in Entertainment Weekly that trashed it for that very reason, but I wonder. If the ads were true to form and played up the lightheartedness that everyone's been citing, would the reviews be better with honest previews? I'm seeing it Sunday anyway, no matter what.

**END SEMI-SPOILERS**

DumlaoX> Although I didn't contribute to the discussion, I also didn't do much to discourage it, so I'd like to add my apology to the list. And I understand finals stress: I just ripped through three exams today and am [supposed to be] working on a paper now. I'm glad you didn't wipe the room; that shows admirable coping abilities. Myself, I'd be throwing and breaking things. :)

Kitania> Actually, the yuck paper in question is only a four-page paper, but the prompt is the problem. Being an Honors paper, it's a BS paper all the way, but this kind of BS won't even allow creativity.

This will be my last post for a while. What with the paper, roommate moving in, carting computer home, unpacking, and getting the wisdom teeth removed, I really don't know if I'll get much of a chance to post again depending on how things go. So in case this is it for a while, good luck with finals to everyone, and get home for the holidays safely!


Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 10:10:00 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

SJ: Ok, thanks for your words. I agree with them now that I think about it. So I take back my comments about Jackal's family, and I drop this discussion. (Even though I wasn't kidding.)

Later.
Doug
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:48:07 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zoy-vty74.as.wcom.net

***I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT DUMLAO's POST****

Well, I guess I should apologize. Frankly, I didn't mean anything by my comments. I wasn't trying to be vulgar or nuthin'. Hey, it's sex. Everyone's got something to say about that.

I'd also like to thank you for not doing something drastic, like ban Jackal (although some of you might want to). I've been to some chat/comment rooms where such tolerance is not the norm. And frankly, I'd miss the guy if he were to leave.

I'd just like to say one thing though...This is to Doug and Kitiana and Aris. I love ya guys....but I don't think you or anyone should mention Jackal's family, i.e. kids, unless you were ABSOLUTELY joking about that (and Doug, I believe you were when you initially said that, despite that post saying otherwise). Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying you were trying to insult him or anything, but I just think family should be left out of this. I don't profess to be a Jackal expert, but I know that he's gone through some rough times as a father (heck, rough times in general) and the last thing I think he needs to hear, perhaps even in joking, is "I worry about your children." I don't think it was intended in any way as a personal attack, but frankly, I believe bringing the family into a argument is low blow. I mean hell, personally, I can take all the abuse you can give, but if someone starts about my family, that hurts the worst. I'm not saying that was any of your intentions, I'm just stating an opinion. I'm sorry if you get angry with me about this. My email is there, so if you wanna flame me, I'll understand.

****END DISCUSSION*****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:27:29 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

***RP WARNINGS***

Kitainia and everyone else is at the hotel, talking about various things. Doug is currently filling in his cousins who live in San Antonio on what's going on, including his team's mission. Kitainia is standing near Boris, who is on the phone talking to someone in low tones. "I don't know what we're going to do next yet," he says, and nobody seems to hear him. "But I'll keep you posted, just don't hurt my family." Kitainia looks at Boris and says, "Hey Bore, how long you gonna be? I need the phone." "Just give me a few more minutes," he says, going back to his hushed conversation. "Right," nods the half-gargoyle, deciding to make a CR post while she waits.

***END RP FIRST HALF***

DumlaoX: Doug already apologized for us, so I don't need to say we're sorry again. But I do want to say thank you for reminding us who's in charge here. Don't worry, we will abide by your new rules. And by the old ones. Good luck with all the crises in your life, please let us know if there's anything we can do to help you through them. I'm sure we all want to remain your friends.

Jackal: If you need to vent, fume, go wild, or have a chat on any topic, please e-mail me. I will be happy to talk to you about whatever you want, there are no censors or people like Aris who have access to my e-mail. Maybe that's the safest place if you want to discuss things like sex, madness, and violence. (Which your posts are full of.) I'll be all too happy to talk with you about them, I not only enjoy the topics and discussing things with you, it'll be good practice for when I'm a counselor-psychologist and have to deal with people like you for work. <grin> Don't worry, no one's against you here. We're all just going to drop the discussion you started (or at least Doug and I am) because we've been reminded it was not appropriate for this CR. (Thank you, Dumlao!)

Aris: No hard feelings towards you, either. I was pretty much ignoring the flame war you guys started myself. I am so glad it's over now.

Chyna Rose: Welcome to the comment room.

SJ: Thank you for caring and saying the things you did. Don't worry, I'm pretty sure right now I at least won't have sucidal thoughts again.

Big Welcome Back to Fleur!!! I missed you, too. And I've also lost friends. Lots of them. Snake the biker is the one I felt the most pain at losing. I think I've already told the story about him in here. Let me know if you want to hear it again and I'll tell it in the "new room on Monday." (Good Duran Duran song, couldn't resist.)

Batya: Thanks for the great scene. I especially liked Xander's comment. He's my favorite Buffy, TVS character. Him, Giles, and Willow.

Papers: I hate writing them too. Especially since they take me SO LONG!! Finals are also a pain for me this year, but then they always are. I'm just lucky none of them are on the same day.

I too am wondering what Morgana's up to right now. And Richard, and Sara Jasper, and the Cold Trio, and Jason Canmore, and Robyn, and Fang, and Sharon, and especially Thailog. C'mon, TGS people, let us know what's going on with these characters! (Or don't, but I will keep mentioning them until you do!)

Spike: New story? I can hardly wait to read it!!

***WARNING: BEGIN SPOILERS FOR COYOTE'S NEW FIC!***

Coyote: Nice new story, thanks for the entertainment. Thorn is a good thug character. I also liked what you did in the story with Sata. Keep up the good work!

***END COYOTE'S NEW FIC SPOILERS***

***BEGIN STAR TREK: INSURRECTION SPOILERS!***

Star Trek Insurrection: I saw this movie today. Excuse me for saying so, but it was IMHO a great big way-too-lighthearted yawn. I didn't like the plot, the characters were all pretty much undeveloped right until the end, and I particularly did not like said ending. Guess it would be a good movie for Star Trek fans, Gubio certainly liked it. But I didn't. However, don't let my judgement affect your decision to see it or not. You still might think the movie's good. Go see it yourself, and make up your own minds.

***END STAR TREK: INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

That's all for now.

***RP WARNINGS***

Kitainia takes the phone from Boris and dials Domino's Pizza. Meanwhile, Doug has learned from Shannon Sr. that Marsh Industries has an office building in town. "Okay, people," he says. "Huddle up! We have to plan an information raid on that building." Everyone walks over to him and begins discussing possible methods of getting into the building and finding out what they need. The screen goes blank. To be continued.

***END THIS RP INSTALLMENT***

Later!
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:41:11 PM
IP: hil-qbu-ppy-vty47.as.wcom.net

Well, "Insurrection" was pretty good. 3 1/2 stars. A lot more light-hearted than "First Contact"; in a similar vein to ST:IV. I'll post a review later.

DUMLAOX> Very, very nicely put. My most sincerest apologies for my contribution to this little fiasco, and you have my word I will no longer contribute to anything of this sort, EVER again. *salute*

** leaves, humbled **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, City of Champions, Canada
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:33:15 PM
IP: ppp059.connect.ab.ca

DumlaoX: I bow to the wisdom of the CR admin, and do hereby apologize for the lack of decorum in recent days in this room. **hands cane to DumlaoX** You may commence with the public caning ... oh, we don't operate that way? Oh. Never mind ... **puts cane away** And thanks for performing the search, despite your hectic finals schedule (I should know ... I used to have to deal with that ... especially when stupid profs would schedule their exams at the same time just to p**s off their competing profs and their students alike.).
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, December 11, 1998 05:14:18 PM
IP: modem111.i-is.com

I must also apologize for my participation in a flame war that should never have been started. I still feel that I am on the right side on this issue and that I was the one who was first insulted, but I should have replied in email, and not put this board through a flame war.

I won't make any excuses for this irresponsible behaviour of mine, other than that I was in a bad mood all week (and still am in one in many ways). Once again I apologise, firstmost to DumlaoX and then to the board's other inhabitants.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, December 11, 1998 05:06:08 PM
IP: athe530-e094.otenet.gr

***BEGIN MAJOR APOLOGY***

DumlaoX: Sorry we forgot and then broke the rules. We won't attach blame to anyone for it, at least not anyone but ourselves who are rightly responsible. Thanks for being liberal with us, and you have our solemn vow that we will never discuss you-know-what in here again, and we will blow the rule whistle for anyone else who does. (Hear that, Jackal?) Sorry we made you POed, you've got enough in your life that's hard to deal with and we should not have brought in more. Thanks for stopping those who very well might have (Jackal and Aris with their flame war). Okay, we're sorry. Won't happen again. Enough has been said.

***END MAJOR APOLOGY***

Jackal: You don't take us seriously? Great, now the two of us are really worried about you. Be assured, those last comments one of us made about your kids were in no way intended to be a joke.

Flame war: Is it over now? It had sure better be! Later.
Doug & Kitainia
Friday, December 11, 1998 04:28:36 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zon-vty134.as.wcom.net

***WARNING!!! THE FOLLOWING IS A RANT TOWARDS AN ISSUE DEALT WITH HERE IN THE COMMENT ROOM. THE RANT MAY INCLUDE USE OF VULGAR LANGUAGE. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.***

I was not here in the comment room since Tuesday when I told FireStorm that I got the mp3 disks he sent me. So when I checked the comment room today, what I saw shocked the shit out of me. It was discussions on sex and a possible flame war breaking out. But before I jumped to conclusions, I decided to backtrack to where I last posted and find the culprit there.

First thing I found was the circumcision question by Jackal. Unlike most people, I would find this question more health related than sexual. I know. I'm studying medicine and there have been instances where the foreskin trapped bacteria in and it caused trouble. It was a health and curiosity question, so that wasn't the culprit. That was an early morning Wednesday question.

Then comes Jackal's post on Wednesday, 12 PM EST.

Everything was fine until the question of which garg you would have SEX with came up and opinions posted. Did he cross the line with that topic?

YES!!!

It was clearly stated in the rules that SEX was not a topic that would be discussed here in the comment room. No sex in any way, shape, or form! Violation #1.

If this was an isolated incident, then it would be alright and proper action would be taken. However, it seemed to grow.

Next post: Deuce. Spoiler warning included? Yes. But talk of sex was there too. Another violation.

Post by Doug. Violation of sex rule again.

Sevarius Jr. Same as above.

Kitainia. Same as above.

Coyote the bando. Ditto.

Wilek. Same.

Aris. Same.

Then comes the kindling of a flame war between Jackal and Aris. It has become full blown.

That was the history of the events that happened here since my absence. I listed down the names not because I wish to single them out but because I don't want to play favorites. No one shall accuse me of not mentioning name X who was involved in all this shit.

This is the history of things that went through my mind before making a decision.

I read all this and the first thought that entered my mind was 'What kind of an administrator am I?' We had specific rules set up and yet people ignore them. I set up rules and they get ignored.

This angered me. I had options running through my mind.
-warn the people involved via public post here in the room. But after the rules had been violated, what good would that do?
-rant to the top of my lungs and hope people stop. Again, what would that accomplish.
-repost the rules. Only to get ignored once more.
-ban those involved. But we would lose a great deal of our posters.
-do the most drastic. Kill the room. We lose everyone and no more controversy because there isn't anything to be controversial about.

In all honesty, I was about to opt for the final option because it really seems like no one gives a fuck about any type of policy handed down here. The SPOILER warning gets ignored by a few here and the rule about making it in caps seems to have disappeared too. And I have so much in my fucking life to deal with right now, this just compounds on it all. I'll give it to you this way. Overworked mother. Cancer ridden father. Senile grandmother. Sister I have to treat like a daughter since no one else is acting like a parent. A long distance relationship I love to maintain. 3 Science courses and an English course I must pass or else I get my ass booted from UCLA. Bills to pay. Friends to keep in contact with. TGS to help run. Post the ep every week without fail. Fan Mail for TGS to answer. Deal with all sorts of PR. And the TGS comment room to maintain.

I have lived this way since I was 10. I am 20 now. Needless to say, when some shit like this happens, I am more than pissed and the deletion of the TGS comment room sounded mighty appealing.

But then I took a walk on campus and calmed my head down a bit. Maybe it was home stress again. Maybe it was studying for 4 finals. Maybe it was something else. Whatever it was, I shouldn't be so angry as to do the final option. That's when I came to the comp lab and made up my mind.

I will post up a new set of rules this weekend. I'm taking away some study time I should spend on Calculus probability for this but it has to be done. One major change to this set will be the following:

IF A SECTION DEALS WITH A TGS REVIEW CONTAINING SPOILERS, SPOILERS FOR ANOTHER SHOW OR FANFIC STORY, ROLE-PLAYING, OR DISCUSSIONS INVOLVING TOPICS OF A SEXUAL NATURE, THE FOLLOWING MUST BE PLACED AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF EACH SECTION:

***BEGIN (INSERT TOPIC HERE) SPOILERS***

***END (INSERT TOPIC HERE) SPOILERS***

IT MUST ALWAYS HAVE A SPACE BEFORE THE BEGINNING WARNING, SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND THE DISCUSSION, SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND THE END TAG, AND SPACE BETWEEN THE END TAG AND THE REST OF THE DISCUSSION.

NO EXCEPTIONS!!! I WILL NOT BE IGNORED ON THIS RULE!!!

As for those that were listed, no action will be taken. There is no warning or any black mark on those listed. As I said before, they were only listed to be fair to others. I am not playing the favoritism game. If the room so chooses, sex discussion can continue but only if the spoiler rule is observed. As for the flame war, cease and desist immediately or a limited ban shall be placed on your IP. Warning effective beginning 4:30 PM EST.

I pray nothing like this will ever happen again. I do abide by my word.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, December 11, 1998 04:07:16 PM
IP: 164.67.59.217

AIRWALKER-- Honestly, if that didn't work, I have no idea what else to do. If I come up with a technique that will help, though, I'll let you know.

FIRE STORM-- Oh, one thing I forgot to thank you for... the extra tracks. For some reason, besides 4 of the TGS themes, the CDs had Barbie Girl, Smells Like Teen Spirit, and an incomplete japanese song. cool :)

FLEUR-- My condolences on your friend. As long as you live your life to the fullest and never give up, his memory will live within you forever.

COYOTE-- Will do on that sound request.

COMMENT ROOM ARCHIVE-- Who offered to send me what they have on old comment rooms? Just send what you have over to me and I'll sort them out. Thanx.

A rant will follow this post. New things concerning the comment room will be placed there.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, December 11, 1998 04:05:59 PM
IP: 164.67.59.217

<<you calling me immature, telling me to think before I open my mouth, suggesting I am a hypocrite>>
Dude, if I called you "immature" or a "hypocrite", you would have seen those words typed by me, however I did tell you to think before opening your mouth- Which seems to be advice you haven't followed yet.....
<<Perhaps, because I was the one to express my displeasure and they weren't?>>
Like I said you were the only one that rubbed me the wrong way, and that's not an excuse that's a reason!
First Amendment rights> "are not given only to you, you know. I too have them."
Well isn't that fine and dandy? Whoopie, I don't care what you have and don't have...
<<Ok, you are officially insane and I will no longer try to make sense out of your ramblings..., I am a fan of Christine Morgan dammit, I participated in the dirty tail trick discussion.>>
I'm not insane, it appears my thinking goes beyond your own- Being you can't understand it, you label me "insane". Even I have lines that can be crossed, and motherf***er you did it when you cursed me! How dare you tell me I don't care about the facts, I've been saying nothing but facts, you're the one puttin words in my mouth, you're the one blowin this crap out of proportion, I was tryin to play with you in that last post, but I see you wanna act like you got something stuck up your butt. Blow it out you a$$ and get over it!! And the reason why I didn't respond to things you were "actually saying" is because I think you may have a point to it, all the rest of the ignorant stuff is what I'm responding to and trying to set you straight on.
<<There's a *good* meaning for 'morally declined'?!?>>
You know, morally declined- As in I don't give a f*** about anything and don't care about the outcome....
<<After what he called you only a deranged individual while Doug said he's worried about your children... I on the other hand said that I believe these kind of sexual comments should not be in here. Obviously my comment was far worse that theirs.>>
GB and Doug are cool with me, just like SJ and FS and damn near everyone else in the CR. When they express their view points, or their "displeasure", about what I'm saying, they do it in a joking manner- Or so I interpert.., because I take almost nothing seriously!
<<Todd is a peacemaker. I am not.>>
No, Todd is an ignorer, and chooses not to take action (Sorry Todd, I know you're not in this and I apologize for mentioning your name). And you, Aris, you're just plain ignorant, and just to let you know, I can be ten times more ignorant than any person you've ever seen in your life and I will have myself banned from the CR just to have the last word. Because that's all this is about now, someone trying to have the last word.
To everyone else> I apologize on my and Aris's behalf for cluttering this room with senseless bulls**t. Also, thank you for taking time out to read my posts, being I'm the controversial figure in the Room.
"I'm not attacted to your world, nothing heals and nothing grows." -MM
The artistically inclined Jackal
Friday, December 11, 1998 03:21:14 PM
IP: spider-to011.proxy.aol.com

** Deuce enters, bothered that the power cord on the back of his monitor is coming loose. **

CHYNA> Cool name. And the reason this is different from other chat rooms is because this is a comment room. WAY more fun, IMO, because it's like a chat room that everyone's always in (although lacking the real time quality). Check your sanity at the door, please.

SPIKE> Yippee! New story, new story, la-dee-da-dee-da-da! *dances around*

KYRYN> Vitamins? Well, I pop the little Bugs Bunny/Flintstones one like candy, and I got addicted to Halls cough drops once... (no joke). I think it's been said (a few months ago) that gargoyle physiology is much different from humans, so many body chemistry screwups (like my hypoglycemia) wouldn't occur. Then again, I suppose a vitamin deficiency would be possible.

That should be all now. I should call Dan, so we can arrange when to go see the movie (it starts every hour, on the hour, from 1:00-8:00 at the nearest theater).

** leaves, and the monitor flickers... again.... **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, City of Champions, Canada
Friday, December 11, 1998 12:44:08 PM
IP: ppp0153.connect.ab.ca

**RP**
Kyryn is talking to the gremlins. "Well guys, do you want me to send you home now?" "No! We're having too much fun. Besides, you can still send us home later." "Ok, then. Let's go." They all follow everyone else to the Hilton. Kyryn turns to post.
**END RP**


Spike> A new fic! I eagerly await!

Coyote> I think that it's in Hockeytown. They told me it's gonna be about two weeks before I get the car back. Bummer. But at least I have a rental Geo Prizm :( that they're paying for to drive around in.

Chyna> Welcome to our world of craziness. Lurk for a couple of days and you'll get the idea of our particular brand of insanity.

Sevarius Jr> Thanks for caring :). When I had my 'down' episodes, it was because my brain chemistry got messed up due to a vitamin deficiency (everyone take your vitamins). As I've said before, I'm much better now, and plan to stay that way.

Lex> He always came across as younger on screen. Probably be cause of his small size, large eyes, and higher pitched voice, he often seemed to be a tagalong younger sibling. I sometimes had a hard time setting him at an equal age with the others.

general question> Could a garg have body chemistry/mineral imbalances? What effect would something like that have on stone sleep? The human body does weird things when systems get out of balance. Oh, and what would this say about hybrids?
Just random thoughts that might evolve into something depending on the answers.

*The screen turns off as Kyryn rides away*

Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Friday, December 11, 1998 11:59:13 AM
IP: 168.37.239.86

STARSINGER - The author in question is Leva Mevis.

ABOUT LEXINGTON - When I originally started watching the series, I thought that he was younger than the others, myself. (I didn't know then that Greg had said that the trio were the same age. Actually, I didn't even know who Greg Weisman was until I discovered Gargoyle fandom on the Internet at the end of 1996, just as the series was about to end).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:31:34 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-172.primary.net

Regarding Lex: Hmmm.... I wouldn't necessarily call it torture, but I have put him in realistically difficult situations in regards to matters of the heart. *L* Not unlike some of you guys in here. I do have him as an off-season mating but that was before Greg said the Trio was from the same hatching so I'm stuck with it. But since Greg also said that hatchings (and laying of eggs) happen over 2-3 days, it's possible that Lex could be considered the 'younger' brother simply by his egg hatching after Brooklyn and Broadway's. It's one of those gray fuzzy areas in fanfic.

Coming in 3 days: City gargs go to the country in "My Lady Fair."
Spike
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:08:48 AM
IP: dal-as1-1227.cmpu.net

People,help me here. There is a delightful story in the archieves called "A Day In The Life of Elisa Maza". It's a story where Goliath and Elisa are switched and I can't recall the writer.

Fleur <hugs> I have a nephew who was told he would not live to see his twentyfirst birthday. The doctor did not even want to try to help Christopher. Right now he's in chemo and all the other attendent indignaties of cancer. He'll be 22 on Christmasday, his birthday. He's in my prayers constantly. I really feel for you. I know your hurting. Drop me a line if you need a shoulder. I'm here.

If anyone has missed an episode of Invasion Earth, the scifi channal will rerun the entire three parts on Sunday.

Jackel


Starsinger


Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:47:30 AM
IP: proxy-511.public.rwc.webtv.net

Wilek> <<Don't know who Aiden is. >> Go read Christine Morgan's fics if you haven't, then!! You're missing out! :)

Green Baron> Congrats on the date! Have fun!

Chyna and Lexy> Welcome! (Chyna, this is a comment room, not a chat room.)

Jaden> I'm seeing it Sunday. (hope hope hope)

Chyna> I don't torture Lex in my fics; as a matter of fact, Lex gets to have more fun than the rest of the Trio (since he befriended Sarah, one of my original characters who's never without caffeine in her bloodstream). They usually get to run around and cause havoc as a result.

Doug> Something you mentioned reminds me: In Pendragon, where the heck is Morgana during all this? She has to know about the Rising, or at least sense that something's going on by now. Yeah, I know Todd probably isn't at liberty to answer this one, but is Morgana going to reappear? I'm not sure which side she'd join; while she hates Arthur with a passion, I don't know if she'd support Madoc's quest to rule "the younger races." Thoughts, anyone?

Okay, that's all, I'm getting all my finals done today. **crosses fingers** Good luck with finals/papers/dates everyone...maybe I'll see you tomorrow.

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:40:40 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

ARIS - There was a scene in "The Rising Part One" that I wrote, but wound up cutting for space considerations, where Madoc was saying to a still somewhat uneasy Umbriel that the "Seelie Court" and "Unseelie Court" terms and the generally bad reputation that the Unseelie Court has in legend was primarily due to a "history is written by the winners" syndrome. As in: Oberon won the war, was in power, so who was going to dare question his interpretation of events?

Madoc isn't Satan, of course (if for no other reason than that would mean a lot of religious controversy that we don't want or need - although maybe not quite as troublesome as the "Brooklyn at the Crucifixion" creativity demon), but I've the feeling that rumors of Madoc may have colored the interpretations of Satan in legend throughout medieval and early modern Europe; humans came across accounts of something very old and terrifying, and interpreted it in terms of their own world-view. (That theory isn't all that controversial, IMHO. After all, Dante and Milton both gave Hell some of the features of the Underworld of classical mythology in their poetry).

Just a reminder to the new people here: this is a comment room, not a chat room. They've got different systems. Please remember that.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:22:58 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-172.primary.net

Madoc as evil> I wanted to expand on this but later forgot. In this story he's at the same time portrayed more closely as Satan than ever before (being The Tempter etc) AND is portrayed in a far better light, further to Satan than ever before. That's something very nice and I liked it. On the other hand I disliked when in 'Meet the Minions' that fay is calling Madoc the lord of darkness, etc. That was a very bad comment to make.

Oberon IS obviously better than Madoc (though remember that he was quite willing to kill all the Avalon residents and steal away Alexander), but it's not (and I hope will not become) a battle of ultimate good-vs-ultimate evil. Such kinds of simplifications are often used to delete any kind of moral ambiguity and though in the short term they can be ominous, in the long term they usually work for weaker drama. Tolkien managed to make it work, but few have Tolkien's skill.

'gay' as stupid> hmmm... the great majority of the world I think considers 'gay' a synonym of 'homosexual' (or 'happy'). Perhaps it would be better if people didn't use the word to mean 'stupid'. It only confuses the rest of us.

Lex as younger> I disagree with the fact that Lex had greater immaturity in the show. I think he was as responsible (if not more so) as Brooklyn (who thinks below the waist far too often) and Broadway.

The only reason some writers have him be younger is that he's shorter, I think. And I... dislike that, somewhat.

Greg Weisman said quite clearly that the Trio is all the same age, and that's the way they were portrayed in the series in many places (nobody mentioned he's younger for example when they were competing for second-in-command or for Angela - quite clearly they are the same age)

Gargoyles having sex> Ofcourse gargoyles have sex. How else would the species survive? This is a silly comment to make. On the other hand Greg Weisman said that other than Xanatos and Fox, sex is really far more rare in the characters' life than the fanfic would seem to suggest.

Jackal> >>Express your "displeasure",

I already have and got flamed for it by you calling me immature, telling me to think before I open my mouth, suggesting I am a hypocrite, etc...

>>I haven't said a word to anyone but you about this,

Perhaps, because I was the one to express my displeasure and they weren't?

And anyway, what a coincidence: I haven't said a word to anyone but you about this, either.

>>you rubbed me the wrong way.

Oh, that explains it. And excuses it as well.

>>And your damn straight I demand the right to say whatever I want when I want!

Wherever you want? If DumlaoX says your sayings are allowed here I will immediately stop protesting. But as long as he stays out of the discussion I have the same right to protest when I think you are becoming tasteless, an opinion which as you can see is shared by other people besides me here. Rights to speech and opinion (I don't use the phrase First Amendment since not all of us come from America) are not given only to you, you know. I too have them.

>>> <<Elisa and Goliath having sex>>
>>>Worked you up over that one, huh? Hahahahaaa I accept your very *humble* apology ::gives a marilyn manson smile::

Ok, you are officially insane and I will no longer try to make sense out of your ramblings. You worked me over that one?!? I used the same example you used, so that I manage to make you understand I have no problem with the Elisa-Goliath situation. I am a fan of Christine Morgan dammit, I participated in the dirty tail trick discussion.

But you no longer care about the facts, nor want to respond to the stuff I'm actually saying. Fine with me. Don't believe I will consider you someone worthy to debate with from now on, though.

>>>Now Aris, look at what GB told me. That was cool, I know I'm morally declined

Perhaps my English is not good enough to understand this. There's a *good* meaning for 'morally declined'?!?

>>>and sexually morbid..., I don't need anyone else telling me that..., I have no problem with what GB said.

Certainly. After what he called you only a deranged individual while Doug said he's worried about your children.

I on the other hand said that I believe these kind of sexual comments should not be in here. Obviously my comment was far worse that theirs.

>>>Hahahaaa look at Todd ignoring the converstaion! Cool man!

a) Todd is a peacemaker. I am not.
b) This isn't a conversation. It got turned into a semi-flame war by you.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, December 11, 1998 03:15:36 AM
IP: pc-28.di.uoa.gr

"I ate him. And Rory too." Hahahahahahahahahaha... Sorry, (Hah heh heh) I'm just laughing too hard at that now I've stopped to (chuckle) think about it... Heh heh heh heh... Snarf!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 02:45:27 AM
IP: spider-wj032.proxy.aol.com

ENTRANCE** A television clicks on, and we see Robby, trying to get away from someone very Ben Steinish...
"Have I ever told you an interesting story about Cheesballs, or the time I met Bob Barker?"**END ENTRANCE

26-27 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!

Star Trek Insurrection comes out today! I'm gona try and see it tonight, final showing!

Hmm... I've changed my text color since a few people in the other CR are using Kentucky Bluegrass... With my luck, someone else starts using Mint Green tomarrow...

Switching bodies- I never do this in my fics, but I do mess characters up in a similar manner...

Fluer- Its a sad story, I can gladly say I've never had to go through anything like that personally... I know it seems like a silly catch phrase at about this point, but "Hakuna Matata" actually is a good ideal to go by at times like this.

Batya- What means this "Get out more?" What the heck is "out?" I don't understand...

Lexy- WELCOME TO THE MADNESS!
Lex is treated younger I believe because he's smaller, and those big eyes make him look younger. And a lot of fics speculate he was an off-season mating, though I'm not sure what Greg says about that...

Deuce- I'm ignoring this.

Green Baron- On a date? Congrats. At this point, I have yet to even kiss a girl... And I'm 16... Sad but true...

SJ- I've never attempted suicide or even thought about it if it cheers you up any.

Coyote- I'l read your latest tomarrow. Er, today... Er... Later... Remember to read mine, as well as the Pendragon story "Into the Woods"...

Durid- I said this before, but it was at the end of last week when the room was crowded so you may have missed it... But I'm interested in you gargoyle conspiracy theory... As well as your stories. Send 'em to my e-mail, I'm proofreading five others already anyhow...

Wilek- Great CD... "I ate him"... That's still a great line... I'll have to use it at some point...

Chyna Rose- WELCOME TO THE MADNESS!
Sorry to say it, but in my fics, (Which few people have read yet because they aren't up yet cause I'm still editing...)Lex gets... Tortured... But then, I'm nice to him too...

Jackal- I really don't mind you talking about that, but then, I'm not making any replies to it either.

EXIT**Robby has managed to ditch Pip, but now has run into one of the greek gods, Tri-Via, who also sounds very Ben Steinish. "Did you know that a dolphin has no vocal cords, but that all the creaks and whistles you hear come from the lungs?"**
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 02:41:36 AM
IP: spider-wj032.proxy.aol.com

Lexy: People treat Lex as "younger" because his character showed too much of a imaturity on the show. He acts younger, and sometimes he is refered to as younger, even though we know they hatched around the same time. In one or two of my stories, I refer to him as the younger brother, but to me, my thinking is that beacuse he is smaller, they have to protect him like a little bro, or somthing like that.

Lex having a bad life: Like Shakesphere, Life is a tragety for our olive-colored garg friend.

In defense of Jackal, Greg DId say that gargoyles do have sex. Although he didn't go into detail, (Although he hinted that some of the stuff refered to in Christines stories was "Tame" by comparison :), they do have a very active sex life.

As for the rest of the conversations about sex: No comment at this time.

Rose: I am thinking of letting Lex get the girl in my latest Spawn. No catches, no torturing him, nothing.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, December 11, 1998 01:55:07 AM
IP: dhcp180.visitus.net

****RP!!****
Screen fades in. After being dragged away from the burning remains of the circus Jaden's head finally begins to clear up. "Man that was worse than that floor cleaner I drank." He turns to Kitainia and Doug. "Thanks for pulling me out of there...so what's are next move?"
****End RP****

Hey Star Trek Insurrection is opening tomorrow or today if your on the over side of the country...if it is today what are you doing here reading this? GO SEE IT!

Jackal-Perhaps everyone should just drop this subject before it gets blown all out of control.

Coyote- That's ok. The same thing happened to me. I was just sitting there when I lost connection and couldn't get back on for an hour.

Stormy-Elisa and Demona switching bodies? I don't think Elisa would get hers back in one piece.

Wilek Nereus-yes I knew you were joking.

Wile E. vs Coyote-Wile would blow himself up.
Griff vs Killer Croc-Griff gets a new pair of croc boots
Oberon vs Superman-Supermans hurt by magic so no contest there.
Brooklyn vs Wolverine-Sadly Wolverine would win
Sata vs Amanda-Amandas cute but Sata has got the skills to boot.
Arianna vs Willow-don't know willow so I can't answer that
Graeme vs Drusilla-same reason as above
Talon vs Joker-Talon would wipe that smile off his face
Fox Mulder vs Matt-They would get to far once they started talking about different conspiracies.
Cancerman vs. Captain Chavez-Chavez could take him out no problem
Aliens vs Broadway-acid soup anyone?

****RP!!!****
"What a hangover," Thailog says as he rubs his head. "I wish someone would just shoot me!" "That wouldn't be very benifical to either of us." A voice from behind him states. He turns around to see a strange cybornetic creature standing in the shadows. "Who are you!" "What do you want?!"
"My name is Tracker and I'm here to offer you a purposal"
Screen goes black. To be continued.
****RP!!!****
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, December 11, 1998 01:41:31 AM
IP: pm1-2.sma.silcom.com

<<after reading your last post, I am VERY worried about your children>>
Aww man, noo! My feelings, I think you hurt my feelings! :) Honestly I swear to all of you, I've been toning it down when I discuss things of "that" nature, I don't think yall want to know my first thoughts about this..., Anyway I didn't take what you said seriously, Doug. But to let other people know, I know I'm not the best father in the world, but atleast I'm a father who's a daddy and will alwayz be there for my kids.
Jackal
Friday, December 11, 1998 01:02:21 AM
IP: spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com

Jackal: Uh oh, I smell a flame war brewing between you and Aris. <insert "Star Wars Empire Theme" music> And after reading your last post, I am VERY worried about your children. :)
Doug Elder
Friday, December 11, 1998 12:39:47 AM
IP: hil-c45-032-vty116.as.wcom.net

<<It's an all-ages board so we have to behave in ways we'd behave around younger ppl.>>
Which is why I was toning down what I was saying..., believe me I WAS toning down. I haven't said anything in here I haven't said with my own children present.
<<you can't tell us to leave>>
Have you seen the words, "Aris leave" typed by me? Have I told you to leave?
<<You however demand the right to say anything you like here, no matter how distasteful it may be for others...and at the same time seem to demand that noone can express displeasure>>
Express your "displeasure", I haven't said a word to anyone but you about this, you rubbed me the wrong way. And your damn straight I demand the right to say whatever I want when I want!
<<Elisa and Goliath having sex>>
Worked you up over that one, huh? Hahahahaaa I accept your very *humble* apology ::gives a marilyn manson smile:: Now Aris, look at what GB told me. That was cool, I know I'm morally declined and sexually morbid..., I don't need anyone else telling me that..., I have no problem with what GB said.
Hahahaaa look at Todd ignoring the converstaion! Cool man!
<<I just have one question..., (SJ)>>
Umm, well..., I was..., flexible when I was 13. THAT a side- I'm glad someone cares, even if it is over a computer! :)
Hi, Chyna Rose. I'm not usually hateful to anybody, Aris just rubbed me the wrong way, other wise I get along with everybody, wither they see things like I do or not. Anyway, HEY!!
The artistically inclined Jackal - [Jkal1127@aol.com]
Ga, Usa
Friday, December 11, 1998 12:33:47 AM
IP: spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com

**RP!** The Ravens, etc. have just fled the circus tent and are in the circus parking lot. Doug motions to Jammer, who presses a detonator, triggering all their explosives. The entire circus midway, wagons, tent, and all are consumed in sudden waves of energy and flame. Bill Tardum, the last of the circus owners, suddenly comes out of the wreckage, leading all the surviving goons. The good guys get ready to fight them, but Coyote's new sideshow friends suddenly let out loud cries of anger and charge at them. Tardum is caught on the water buffalo man's horns and gored to death. As the rest of the group watches the battle, several of them start cheering. Doug grins and turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP**

$He must not have been paying those sideshow guys much. I'll let Coyote write their characters into the saga, except for this one incident. Thanks for your help in destroying the circus, Coyote, Jaden, and especially Kyryn! :)$

Fleur: Welcome back. We missed you. Thanks for the great story, I mourn your friend's death but I'm glad it taught you such an important lesson about life.

Batya: I loved that scene! Mind if I use it in my upcoming but far away Buffy/Gargoyles fanfic crossover? Pretty please? I will give you credit for it, of course.

Jackal: You want to talk about that stuff, fine. Just put warnings on your posts and it will be okay with me.

Aris: Great review. Thanks for writing it. I agree that Seelie vs. Unseelie is not a battle of good and evil. I do however, see Madoc as an evil guy. He may have a very well-written character and understandable emotions, but that doesn't change his intentions, his motives, or his actions, all of which are evil IMO.

Mandi: Papers. Augh. They're especially bad for me. I write good fiction, or so many people tell me. Essays, though, I'm not as good at. I guess it's just easier for some of us to get our point across through rhetoric, and some through characters and plots. I'm one of the latter, of course.

Switching Bodies: I don't plan to write any of those fics myself, but I do enjoy reading them. Wonder what would happen if Madoc switched bodies with Oberon. <Ducks flying fruit.>

Green Baron: Congrats on your date. Good luck. :)

SJ: Thank you for caring. Our sucidal thoughts, though, are a part of us, they've helped build our characters to what they are today. That evil which did not kill us made us stronger, and all that. But they're also in the past. We've evolved past them now, at least I think most of us have. So hopefully you don't have anything about which to worry.

Coyote: *SPOILERS* Your new fic was a good one. I liked the new villain. Good development on Rosanna, Sata, and Liberty. I'm also glad she was named Thorn and not Doppelganger (I thought the episode title was her name at first), wouldn't want anybody to mix her up with the group of evil shapechanging clones I'll later feature as thugs in my fanfic saga. They'll of course be called Doppelgangers. :) Oh well, whatever you do do, keep up the good work. I'll keep reading. I also read your "Motown Heat" comic. Nice work, but nowhere near as good as your fanfic. At least, that's my opinion. :) Of course, the first novel I wrote and later trashed was nowhere near as good as my own fanfic saga, so we've both evolved. I can understand your writing better because of that. <grin> *SPOILERS END*

Wilek: Aiden is Lex's mate in Christine Morgan's fanfiction. And I was laughing my head off at that creativity demon.

Chyna Rose: Welcome to the CR! And I am a fanfic writer who is not torturing Lexington. Unless you count character neglect (which a few fans have unfortunately accused me of) as torture. *PLUG!* If you want to see a pretty good saga of fanfiction where Lex does not get tortured, go to GFW and check out Doug Elder's. If you want a really good one, check out Christine Morgan's. (I don't think Lex gets tortured in there any.) That's my advice. *PLUG ENDS*

Todd: Just so you know, I've begun "Brooklyn at Camelot." The Camelot gargoyles won't have names, as per your advice. I've also made Uwaine and Owain seperate characters. I know it's a cop-out, but it was the only way I could see to rectify the discrepancies between my story and the actual Arthurian legends (which I plan to stay as true to as possible) over the two of them. Plus, this way I can rectify some strange things I've seen in the stories of Uwaine/Owain. Things his character would probably never do, like battle thirty knights at once and win. Agony could do that (and in my universe did as Uwaine) but I just can't see Morgana's naive and honorable son Owain trying to do the same. So he didn't. At least not in my fanfic. :) I've also removed the Picts from the story. The only antagonists will be Morgana and the Unseelie (Maeve in particular). For now, that's all I will tell you. You'll have to wait till the story for the rest. <GRIN>

Banshee and Umbriel: I too would like to see what happens between them. I must admit, I didn't think they were going to bring back Banshee so fast after that last ep. Should be interesting to see what happens when Umbriel meets her.

OP Card: Here's one for Miriam.
Stats: Energy 5, Fighting 6, Strength 4, Intellect 7.
Specials (*=OPD): Sidearm* (acts as a Level 7 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack. May only be blocked by a defensive special.); Body Armor (avoid 1 attack); Flashie Thing (Miriam gets to reshuffle target opponent's draw pile); MIB Ties (remove one permanent record hit); Wilek's Partner (may play any Wilek special, I'll have his card up later); Tactics Expertise (Level 5 Intellect Attack).

That's all for now.
**RP AGAIN** Doug sees that the last of the circus goons have been finished off. He smiles and thanks the sideshow people, motioning to Orion and Shap to heal their injuries. All of a sudden, a corpse surrounded by an evil greenish-black glow rises out of the circus wreckage. It turns the rotting mask on its face towards the Ravens and gives off a wicked cackle. "The Masked Magician!" Elena shouts, pointing her assault rifle at him. "I'm the Masked Lich now!" the corpse shouts back. "Had to use my little backup plan since you killed me. You will never defeat me now!! Next time!" He vanishes in a flash of evil green-black light. Just about all of the good guys, especially Lathrop, let out curses and shake their fists at him. Janice shakes her head and writes something on her clipboard. "Great," Doug sighs, looking at the team. "Now we have an even more powerful evil wizard to worry about. Oh well, guess we better get to Jammer's Uncle Harry's Hilton, heal up, and plan our next move. See you all there." The team starts heading back to their vehicles as the screen fades out. **END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 11:15:47 PM
IP: hil-c45-080-vty223.as.wcom.net

I guess this isn't like the other chat rooms I have seen. I would like to see more of Lexington's future. Does he ever find a mate? Also of all the gargoyle fan fiction writers out there, is there one among you who DOESN'T tourture Lex in any way. I have yet to see that happen, even in my own writing.
@---<--
Chyna Rose - [Chyna1Rose@aol.com]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:05:26 PM
IP: p120.sas2.dialup.nyc1.flash.net

*she slowly walks in with her pale lilac wings caped*Hello?
Chyna Rose
Thursday, December 10, 1998 09:59:23 PM
IP: p120.sas2.dialup.nyc1.flash.net

**RP!**
[Anoth has successfully convinced the Dark Jedi that he's one of them, and that the rest of the team are his prisoners. He's also persuaded them to escort him and the team to the Systems Administrator's chamber...Anoth: "Thank you, gentlemen. If you don't mind, I'd like to be alone with them for a moment. Their execution will be much more meaningful." The Jedi turn to leave--and all at once, before they know what's hit them, they fall dead, their necks snapped by Anoth's telekinesis. Wilek: "Finally! I thought we'd never get rid of those goons! Now what?" Miriam: "Administrator, this is Agent Baxter. We require your assistance." The chair behind the desk in front of them turns to face them, revealing a headless mechanical female body sitting in it. An organic head lowers onto the body. Administrator: "I've been monitoring you on the security cameras, and I know your request." Jake: "Can you do it? Take control of Guod's Borg?" Admin: "It carries considerable risk. Their combined will may overwhelm my mind, and draw me back into the Collective. All would be lost." SJ: "They're not from the original Collective; they're from a new one Guod formed when he was separated." Admin: "Indeed? My task will be far easier." Wilek: "Maybe the Doom Commandoes can help. They're constructed a lot like Borg." Admin: "Yes...Their assistance would be most valuable." The DC's cyberjack into the computer and begin assisting the Administrator in hacking into Guod's troops. Admin: "I doubt we will be able to control Guod's entire collective; only those Borg which actually occupy the Dark Star." Wilek: "Good enough."]
**END RP!**

Does anyone here know how annoying it is when you get an extremely weird creativity demon that won't leave you alone? It's worse when several creativity demons fuse with other people's into a hybrid. This conversation has been running in my head all night; please help me:
Wolf: I have a confession to make: I am not the actual Wolf. I am actually a genetically engineered lab mouse who switched places with the real Wolf before he was mutated, as part of an elaborate plot to take over the world.
Jackal (Pack's): Then where's the real Wolf?
Arthur: I ate him. And Rory too.
Hyena: But he's still alive.
SJ's dad: What you ate was a clone.
Do you all see now why I'm edgy sometimes?

Fights>
Joker vs. Loki
Loki. I mean, Loki's a Fey and Joker's a human (sort of). Of course, if Joker knew about what iron does to Fey, then he'd probably find a way to trick Loki into an iron blender or something. (Iron Blender? Sounds like a rock band.)

Emrys Hawkins vs. Aiden Ferguson
Don't know who Aiden is.

The Grimorum Arcanorum vs. the Necronomicon
If we're talking about an original copy in the original language of Cthulhu, then the Necronomicon would be more powerful.

The Phoenix Gate vs. the TARDIS
The Gate. The TARDIS would certainly look kewler in your driveway, but the Phoenix Gate is much more portable, less prone to breakdown or bad targeting, and much simpler to operate.

Fleur> <snif> Miriam, I need a tissue please. [She hands him one.] Thanks. My condolences, my friend. If Scott's death showed you what courage is and how precious life is, then it had meaning after all. As for suicidal tendencies...you implied that these thoughts of suicide come of their own volition, that they are somehow not truly a product of your own mind. I think that could be the case. I think everyone has, at some time or other, had thoughts that they knew they would never think if they had a choice in the matter. I don't know how to explain it...but I know that if you fight and resist these thoughts, they won't be a threat to you. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I think. <<Angels never die - they just find new ways to hold out their hands.>> I will always remember that quote.

Characters switching bodies> Oh, I was hoping this would come up. Fun switches: Goliath/Xanatos (Goliath, I don't know how you people stand gliding around in loincloths all night.), Brooklyn/Miriam (Uh, Miriam, are these cramps normal?), Lex/Elisa (Lex, get your hands off those! I mean MY hands off those! Something. Whatever.)

Batya> I loved that scene!

Coyote> **SPOILERS** Coyote the trickster Fey is a Star Wars fan? Too kewl! LOVED the new story! Great name for Rose's Rokkan clone, and great quote by Sata. Can't wait for the next story! **END SPOILERS**

Durid> Excellent points. Hm, I wonder what Lady Of The Lake's real name is. I'm thinking it's Maude. >:) Conspiracy theory? TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME! :) I think Sega had something to do with it...

**NO EXIT RP**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, December 10, 1998 09:37:41 PM
IP: tnt-2-208-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Sorry for the triple post, having trouble UL this stuff.... At least we see some pics we don't see much anymore, no?

Fleur: No I did not. Oh great, time to see if a black hole is orbiting my e-mail. Has anyone sent me e-mail about my story? Only a few mails about that so far.
Whoa, well... I can't really give you a good reply to your 'true confession'. But I can say that our lives are filled with both good things and bad things. We constantly strive for the good things, survive the bad, and hope we come out stronge after tha bad as you seem to have done. It has certinaly helped your writeing.

Batya: Heheh, maybe not Gargoyles in general, but I am pettry sure that Giles' books will tell him that Demona herself is. Especially if, as I suspect, Slayers and Demona have met before. Most likely during that time when the Canmores were hunting her, and they would be happy to provide info on Demona.... *sigh* Great, now I have a creativaty demon on a Buffy/Demona crossover. Guess that story on Sharon the Huntress will be set back even more. Unless the TGs takes her chacter development in that direction as well....

Todd Jenson: Boradway crush on Elisa? Nah, just overprotective of her since "Deadly Force". Ask rather what Elisa will tell Captain Chavez, "Uh, I have to call in sick today. I am just not feeling like myself."

Green Baron: Hey, where did those people in your fight list come from? I only recnogize abotu half of them.

And on personal stuff. Anyone still want to hear about my Conspiracy Theory on why Gargoyles was ruined? And has anyone heard from Krystina? Thank you and Blessed be!

***The winds rise once again, forming the leaf tornado. When it dispersers, Durid is gone.***
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Thursday, December 10, 1998 09:18:44 PM
IP: dialupe76.mpls.uswest.net

Ah well, guess I have to cut some of it. There goes my fights commets.... And half my post....

***The winds rise, making a bunch of leaves gather up in a small tornado, when they part they reveal the form or Durid!***

Aris: I think he was talking about all of Fandom. And I have to agree with him a bit, Lex is treated as the youngest of the Trio. In a few stories it is actually metioned that he came from an off-season mateing. As for getting hung-up on FT EvilLex, you gotta admit, that story stuck in your mind.
For your Review? Heheh, I agree on most of it, except for Madoc as not being potroyed as Satan. I mean, that scene at Beleveder (I know that isn't spelled right) castle was right from Satan's temptation of Jesus. Though I am the first to admit that Oberon is no God, you have to admit that there is one fundamental diffrence between Madoc and Oberon. Madoc only cares about himself, and by extension anyone involved with his schemes. Oberon, underneath all that court-grace and arrgonance, genually cares about others, especially when they impress him. Also he is highly honorable.
For example, Madoc would not have been impress with Avalon Clan's show of Mercy, he would have destoryed them anyway. In the TGS when the Lady of the Lake defyed Oberon, he thought about how good it would be for his people if they could get this strong spirtually. Madoc would have made an example of LOTL to prevent anyone from becoming like LOTL.

Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Thursday, December 10, 1998 09:15:32 PM
IP: dialupe76.mpls.uswest.net

Sorry for the double post, but I have a short request of everybody here (and another one to DumlaoX).

Everyone: Could anyone possibly send me, in text, the lyrics to the song "Happy Christmas" (by John Lennon or Melissa Etheridge, whichever you prefer)? Please? I need it for the next fic I'll be writing.

DumlaoX: While I'm at it, could you have Illegal to a little search for me for the Melissa Etheridge version of "Happy Christmas?" Preferably in .mid or .wav format? Thanx.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, December 10, 1998 09:12:45 PM
IP: modem87.i-is.com

test post, having trouble sending my regluar.....
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Thursday, December 10, 1998 09:10:12 PM
IP: dialupe76.mpls.uswest.net

No RP tonight ... don't have the right mindset for it ... I'll just move straight to the chatter ...

New fic: It's up. Click my name link and watch Rosanna face her "Doppelganger."

Wilek: I didn't say anything about Cyberbiotics ... I only said that Vogel was with him. Dang, another thing I have to write now!! ;)

Lexy: Read my fics ... in my world, Lex didn't have to go far to find a girl (only to Detroit ...), and in fact my Lex has a kid and is *very* happy with his life as he has grown accustomed to it.
As far as TGS goes ... you are right, to a point, that they've had Lex go through a gigantic emotional roller-coaster in recent months. But you consider, there's no place really left for him to go except up.

Fleur: That's ... terrible. **HUGS** I can understand how you feel, although I haven't been quite through that yet. I fear for some members of my family who may be close to that point (my brother-in-law is on dialysis waiting for a kidney transplant, for example; I know it's terrible to think about but I don't want my sister to be a young widow!), but fortunately have not had to go through that kind of personal hell. Please, feel free to cry on our shoulders ... after all, that's what we're here for.
BTW, last I recalled 40 degrees Celsius equals 112 degrees Fahrenheit, if my math is correct (considering 0 Celsius=32 Fahrenheit). I envy you BAD! (although I shouldn't complain, we haven't even had a good snow yet!)

Cyrway: Yes, but last I knew Saturn had a degree of autonomy from GM that none of the other GM nameplates have ... Saturn mostly handles its own day-to-day operations, only has one production plant, and even handles its own distribution (rather than relying on GM to cover everything). So for those reasons I don't consider Saturn a GM company.

Mandi: GOD,I used to HATE profs like that ("original thought is taboo"). I think everybody in here knows my political alignment (moderate Republican): imagine myself having to deal with a freshman American history course taught by a graduate assistant who is so far aligned to the left she thinks Bill Clinton is God. BIIIIIIIIIIIG fun, especially if someone tries to enter an idea into a discussion that she could consider even *slightly* conservative (she would loudly do her own impression of the McLaughlin Group: "*WRONG!!!!*").

Kyryn: Indeed we do. Is that in Dallas or Hockeytown? Hope your car gets better soon.

Okay, that's all from me. Laters, folks ... maybe I'll do some RP tomorrow night.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, December 10, 1998 08:55:01 PM
IP: modem87.i-is.com

GREEN BARON> Congratulations! I haven't been on a date in... oh, brother, I don't know how long. These days (this morning?), I'm walking on air when the girl I like falls asleep on my shoulder. *rolls eyes* I'm pathetic. Good luck on YOUR date. As for chivalry, I try to be a gentleman. (I'm Irish and Catholic; can't help it).
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, December 10, 1998 08:41:36 PM
IP: ppp0225.connect.ab.ca

**Not an RP, just an entrance***
**Sevarius Jr. walks into the comment room, his knuckles dragging.***

I just wrote a 10 page essay. TODAY. In the last twelve hours. I'm gonna go collapse after this.

JACKAL: I'm still with you. A lot of people may get offended, but I don't. True, perhaps you shouldn't get *too* graphic, but I think we're all mature here. I just have one question....You um....you did...THAT...to yourself? My God, you must be double-jointed!

Time To Be Serious: I've noticed a disturbing trend in here. It seems as if an alarming number of us (and by alarming I mean more than 1) here have attempted suicide. I'll be honest with all of you; I've never met anyone of you, don't know if I'll ever see any of you face to face, but frankly, I care about you guys. So when I hear that several of you have tried, at one time or another, to kill yourselves...It really upsets me. I knew someone once, a person I went to school with, who killed himself. I wasn't good friends with him, mainly cause he was older and we didn't travel in the same circles, but it really upset me. I mean, I knew the guy; maybe not very well, but enough for it to really shake me up.
I don't know, maybe I'm getting upset over nothing. I just don't want any of you guys to be thinking, even for just one instant, of harming yourselves. Any problem you have can be worked out. Trust me, many times my life has been really in the dumpster, but I've always pulled through. This is sort of like the whole Gorebash thing. I don't Gore very much, but I certainly would never want anything to happen to himself.
Personally, for all my joking, I don't want anybody to be hurt like that. I come from the school of thought that suicide isn't a way out, isn't some honorable way of escaping from pain and suffering....It's just death. As in the opposite of Life. And that's the last thing I want for any of you.

NECRONOMICON: Being a horror movie buff, the book (H.P. Lovecraft version) has appeared in both the Evil Dead films and Friday the 13th 9: Jason Goes To Hell.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 08:38:20 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

**RP**
The gremlins have all pulled out various large knives and start cutting tent ropes on Doug's signal. The Ravens and others come rushing out as the tent starts to go down. The last roustabout still standing comes running at Kyryn. It is an old enemy named Don. She grins, hauls back, and slams him backwards, out cold, with one punch. She turns to post.
**END 1ST HALF RP**

Green Baron> I liked the government comment ;). Good luck on your date.

The sex issue> I don't feel a need to comment on this, so I won't.

Fleur> Hope you got my email. ***HUGS***

Mandy> I'll agree with you about profs and papers. I had to learn to write what the prof wanted to see, which was not always what I wanted to write.

Switching Bodies> I rather like the idea of Angela and Elisa switching. I can just see Angela as Elisa knocking on Demona's door during the day...

Coyote> I drive a Saturn. Poor Saturn, it's in the shop because a Nissan Pathfinder wanted to be in the section of road that I was occupying at the time. :) BTW, I think that we get to disagree again on the 18th.

**2ND HALF RP**
Kyryn turns to the others to see what is happening now...
**END RP**

Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, December 10, 1998 08:30:13 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

**Green Baron walks into the CR having finally read Offers**

SPOLIERS WARNING!!!
Personally, I loved the beauty of this tale. For a long time, I asked myself how Fox would react to Halcyon's death. For so long, she and Halcyon have been at odds ofr years, and then one day, Halcyon would die and Fox will never talk to him or see him again, or at least for a very long time. it was very moving to see Fox try to displace her grief when she was training and the flashbacks she had of her happiest memories with her father. It was at the end of the training when her emotions came loose and she finally accepted that her father was truly dead, and the full bearing of the loss. No longer able to talk to her father, not even to joke with him. Regret for all the harsh and angry words, and all the time that they could have spent together. All the counsel and caring he offered her. His stern and perhaps moralistic lectures were for her own good and done because he loved her. Now, she will not be able to visit him and tell him, "I love you." To lose a parent is tragic. To lose a truly great parent is even more tragic. Reading thsi story, tears came to my eyes, amny that I held back at my grandfather's funeral last year, but the rest were form just putting myself into Fox's place and considering how great a loss her father's death would truly be to her. It is the sign of a truly brilliant author who can grant someone such a perspective. Offers will be my favorite TGS story. Mellisa Rae Wilson, I commend you.
END SPOLIERS

Kyrvyn> You are right. Discussions are fun, especially when we can throw potshots at people we love to hate.

Mandi> I tend to be old-fashioned in my feelings and beleifs, and I still practcie chivalry, but to a lesser extent than my ancestors of yore. I still have problems saying or writings certain words in the presence of a woman, and I would never strike a woman, not even in self-defense.

I have some good news. Tommorrow, I am going on a date,a nd I haven't asked a girl out in three years, nor have I dated in over a year, as it is.

**Green Baron departs**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Thursday, December 10, 1998 07:53:33 PM
IP: 200-216-52.ipt.aol.com

OFFERS> Very good episode. Hits very close to home (more on that below), and "In The Living Years" made me cry . . . Job well done, Missy.

FLEUR> I know what you've gone through, my friend. My father was having health problems back in early 1993, and everyone couldn't understand why . . . then I told him to go to the emergency room at the local airbase (dad was a retired Master Sergeant, USAF). The doctors discovered that he had a cancerous lump on his bladder which had permiated the lower intestine. They said, had we ignored it, Dad would have been dead within a week.

He had surgery to remove the lump, and a good two feet of his L.I., which meant he had to get an stomaplasty (A hole for his waste products to come out, through his tummy), and subsequent chemotherapy afterwards. We all feared he would be gone pretty quick, but mercifully the cancer went into remission, and his health improved greatly after the chemo was over.

And, because Dad wasn't the "lay down and wait to die" type, he really lived his days after that. Even went riding on a thing called a Skycoaster with my sister (a sling attached to a long cable, where you are dropped from another crane and swing out like tarzan)... all when he still had the 'plasty in his stomach!

We though he was going to beat the cancer, but, like your friend Fleur, Dad left us on Jan. 28, 1994. He went into St. Joseph's Hospital in Tampa, Fla. for a simply biopsy on his liver and didn't make it out of the OR. Complications came up (no fault of the doctor), and his body just quit. We buried him next to his father in my family's lot in Missouri on Feb. 2nd that same year, with an Air Force honor guard giving the rifle salute, and the bugler with taps.

The point to all of this is that I am a sympathetic Brother to you Fleur. It hurts to loose someone that close - be it friend or family - but one of the things we do take with us from the experience is that life, as fleeting as it is, must be -LIVED- to the very end. Dad never once gave up through out the ordeal, I for one miss him dearly. Before he died, he managed to get me to go to college for my degree, and to get off my buttinski and start "doing" instead of "saying".

So, Brother, if you need someone to talk to, knock on my door. I'm always here for you.


Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Thursday, December 10, 1998 07:52:30 PM
IP: ppp-82.icehouse.net

**Mandi bounces into the CR. "STUDY BREAK!!"

Ahem. Sorry, all; good book, lousy paper. I think it's a trend that Honors professors give vague prompts because they actually want B.S. papers. Original thought is taboo. :)

Green Baron> Ladies? **looks around** None in my corner. ;) Personally, I'm not offended by the current discussion, since I'm not getting into it. I don't have a problem unless the discussion turns towards personal attacks on people or becomes intentionally tasteless. But I think warnings are a good idea.

Cyrway> I did get your story a while ago. I did read it. Right now, I've got to cram in three finals tomorrow and finish a final paper and pack up by Saturday afternoon, so coherent comments are pending. I loved what I read, tho.

Batya> Hehehe...that's hysterical! Now I have to wipe it out of my mind in case I ever get to that Buffy/Pendragon cross...no plagiarism! :)

Comments on Offers: What can I say that everyone else hasn't? Not much. But Missy, it was wonderful!!

Fleur> **sniff** I just don't know what to say. I can't say I know what you're going through, because I don't. That's too tragic for words. **hugs** But we'll always listen if you need us.

Okay. Must do paper. Must do paper. *groan* Night all!

**Mandi goes back to her RL computer**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 07:15:29 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Quick test; please ignore this.
Deuce
Thursday, December 10, 1998 06:40:12 PM
IP: ppp052.connect.ab.ca

STORMY - Elisa and Angela switching bodies? Now that would be an interesting situation. And particularly frustrating for Elisa and Goliath's relationship; all of a sudden, they've got to call it off now that she's stuck in his daughter's body. Angela and Broadway's relationship would be relatively safe, although a bit awkward (come to think of it, it's been argued by some that Broadway does seem to have a bit of a crush on Elisa). And heaven knows how Demona would respond to that switch.

As for Brooklyn and Broadway - I can see Brooklyn being in a very nervous mood right now about the possibility that Broadway will stuff himself as usual while in his (Brooklyn's) body and wind up leaving Brooklyn's body with a surplus weight problem.

GRIMORUM VS. NECRONOMICON - I meant the original Necronomicon, from H. P. Lovecraft's fiction, rather than the cheap paperback imitations.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 10, 1998 06:39:47 PM
IP: pn6-ppp-44.primary.net

Quick clarification on "gay": at our school, "gay" is slang for stupid, dumb, lame, etc. When Dan says "gay", assume he doesn't mean homosexual.

Another clarification: Dan tends to say things before thinking, and the things he says aren't very bright. If he gets too offensive, I'll slap him. *pointed look at Dan*
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 06:39:22 PM
IP: ppp052.connect.ab.ca

**Green Baron walks in to see a nice little "discussion"**

Oh! Dear! Now for my opinions.

Jackal> I own't tell you what to do. This is America and you have your first ammendment rights, but I would agree with Aris that this is not a public forum. I won't tell you what to do, but DumaloX is the ultimate authority on this CR. Personally, I find the comments about sex and all a little tasteless, and I usually avoid talking about such things in the prescence of ladies, but that is just me, and I make no decisions to dictate how the CR is run. Personally I found you a decnet individual, but fairly drenaged, even more so than Firestorm :)

Marilyn Manson> If you don't like him, ignore him. It's teh attention he thrives on. I do agree that it is inappropriate for a six year old to listen to him, but that is ultimately the parent's decision, not mine, and especially not the over-sized interventionistic Federal Government's or a Village as Billary calls it.

Fleur> That is a tragic story. A real pity to lose someone, no matter how old they are. Nine years ago, my my mother's closest brother died, and this was the time my father picked to discuss abandoning his responsibilities. Then again, he sent my mother the divorce papers after she returned from her mother's funeral. Anyway, it is always sad to lose someone, expecially when they are young, but i'm glad the death taught you how preocus life truly is. As for suicidal tendencies being genetic, I'm uncertain, but manic depression is, and I've been battling it for years. Luckily, i'm alive and in good help, but the man I was named after wasn't so lucky, though he took his life seven years before I was born.

Aris> I odn't think Dan was usingthe term "gay" to mean homosexual, but I agree that bigotry is wrong, and it is wrong to hate any individual. You can what they do or even their voting record, but it would be worng to hate them. Granted, I am guilty of hating some individuals, though I still believe it's wrong. On the other hand, if something is insulting but not intended to be malicious, it's fine. In New Orleans there are a lot of Catholic boys schools,a nd we all made jokes about the other schools and soem them were gay jokes, especially the ones aimed at Brotehr martin and Jesuit High, but there was no negative intention towards any group, except by maybe a few individuals.

Wilek> Actually, schmuck is a Yiddish word referring to an uncircumcised p*n*s or a male who is uncircumcised,a nd if you ever run for public Office in New York, don't call your opponent a schmuck or a putzhead :)

Offers: I just printed it out. I can't waitto read it and make a review on it.

More celebrity death matches:

Loki vs Joker> Loki
Emrys Hawkins vs Aiden Ferguson> If it's pre-Lex, Emrys would probably let Aiden win and enjoy it.
Grimorum Arcanorum vs Necronomicon> Which one?
Phoenix Gate vs Tardis> I'll go with the Tardis

I have some new ones

Strom Thurmond vs Hudson
South Park's Jesus vs David Korresh
Nokkar vs Marshall Applewhite
Dr. Sevarius vs Dr. Maphesto
or
Dr. Sevarius vs Jocelyn Elders
Oberon vs Inspector Javert
Margot Yale vs Dakota Jones

That's all.

**Green Baron leaves to study for his Finance exam**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Thursday, December 10, 1998 04:14:47 PM
IP: 141.164.133.112

Jackal> The difference between talking in a public board about sex, masturbation and oral sex, and talking in groups of friends is that those groups agree on what things they discuss, and whoever doesn't like the discussion can leave. In this board we mutually agree on what matters are on-topic or off-topic and since you do not own this board you can't tell us to leave and we *can* warn you when we think you've gone outside the purpose or atmosphere of the room. You however demand the right to say anything you like here, no matter how distasteful it may be for other, or how inappropriate for children that may want to come here, and at the same time seem to demand that noone can express displeasure.

It's the difference between two adults (or teenagers or children for that matter) enjoying themselves, having sex in privacy, and them having sex in public, not leaving people quiet. It's the difference between Elisa and Goliath having sex and Elisa and Goliath having sex infront of a kindergarten with every passing child forced to watch. I find the second distasteful, and *I* demand the right to be able to say it.

If there were a comment room created for such discussion I may participate in it willingly and enjoy such discussions. This comment room, though... ain't it.

And I am 19 btw.

And I don't know what you are talking about. The 'oral sex' part of my message was meant to explain by belief that it counts as sex and I don't understand in the slightest what you are babbling about in that whole paragraph.

And does it make such a big difference that instead of 'liked' I said 'like'? My *humblest* apologies for the 'd' that was missing. (heavy sarcasm intended)

Review> Here's my review. Thankfully I wrote it before this thing with Jackal started, thus I was calm.

**** REVIEW for 'Offers' ****

In a nutshell: A beautiful episode, one of the best the Saga has yet to offer.

Let me begin by saying that the Gods of TGS must like me. Two weeks ago I asked for Titania and Renard. Immediately afterwards I got Titania in 'Call to Arms' and now I got Renard. Though I know the episodes were planned (and almost certainly written as well) far before I expressed my request it's still very nice to get my wish so quickly. Onwards.

How to start singing the praises of an episode excellent from beginning to end? And yet this is my task.

There was another episode, earlier this season, again by Merlin Missy. 'Scottish Play' was its name and I had said that I couldn't find anything negative to say about it. Neither of the episodes is by any means perfect (I don't believe in perfection) but they were so good that they did this for me. But now I can find faults through comparison.

Where 'Scottish Play's A and B plots (the theft plot and the Macbeth plot) were completely seperate, the four or five different storylines of 'Offers' were perfectly intertwined, all connected by the same theme of life, of choices, of mortality, of regret, even of temptation. Though the Owen, Xanatos, Fox, Prometheus stories were all quite easily seperated from each other, they all revolved around these ideas, instigated by the central 'event' of the episode, Renard's death.

Where 'Scottish Play' revolved around a superstition and gave it explanation, 'Offers' revolved around themes timeless and eternal.

Where 'Scottish Play' had an excellent, emotional plot, 'Offers' had four excellent, emotional plots.

Let me get down to specifics.

I liked the off-stage death of Renard a lot. Though in the beginning it seemed a bit... awkward (I would want to see his death) I now think this was the best way to portray it. As said in the episode itself, he had been dying throughout the series. More of the same would be needless, while the suddeness of his death had as much meaning as a prolonged death scene would, and greater consequences within the storyline, as Fox could see him one last time before his death. First kudos go here. Stay in your seats: A lot more are going to follow.

In the same scene I like the so fitting contrast (I think it was intended, right?) between Alex and Renard. Moreover the symbolism of the winter, reminds me a lot of Missy's earlier 'Hysteresis' (I advise everyone to read it by the way). I will refer to this story again, so pay attention.

That Renard still loved Anastasia is also something I believed from his sayings in 'Gathering'. His stydying 'Midsummer Night's Dream' is also a very sweet image that also reminded me a lot of Missy's earlier work.

Umbriel sent to convince the Banshee? That's a funny image. Banshee was in Oberon's side but hardly faithful to him while Umbriel seems more likely to convince himself to disobey Madoc rather than convince Banshee to come to their side. Which is why their matching seems so fitting. They are almost mirror-images, showing that the Seelie-Unseelie is never (nor should ever be portrayed) as a simple was of good vs evil. I'm very interested in how their meeting will go. Am I correct to assume it will be in the next episode?

The reason the Xanatos-letter subplot is so intriguing is that we don't even know whether it was Madoc's trick or a true letter from the future. Nothing in the story implied the former (besides all the other of the Unseelie attempts to lure people to their side) and that Owen didn't sense any magic makes me believe that this is the genuine article. But that brings other problems: Why would a future Xanatos send himself immortality if he already knew he wouldn't accept it. Or will Xanatos agree to take it in the future? Or is this is all an elaborate scheme for something even more complicated? It intrigues me.

The Maeve-Prometheus scene. I liked it. I liked it a lot. I liked the sense of age, the sense of regret. I liked that neither Maeve nor Prometheus seemed to understand each other. "Never grieved for a mortal's death" said he, and her reaction seemed to indicate that he was mistaken. While she... her offers seemed to indicate that not only doesn't she know him, but that she hasn't studied her mythology either. Someone who accepted endless torment for mortals' sake wouldn't fall so easily in temptation. (Okay perhaps his mythological torment isn't necessarily a part of TGS canon. But still...)

Some other tidbits: I liked that Prometheus was Lugh which fits with my idea that some of the fays would be known in many places and time periods under many different names. This also helps tie separate threads and gives extra potential for future Rory and/or Prometheus stories.

I also liked the scene where Maeve was feeling the trees' sorrow... that felt very Tolkienian. On the other scene the other scene: "She cursed under her breath, wasting a touch of magic as she did. Something black and horrible was created with the words and died moments later." felt very Discworldish. Neither praise or condemnation for this. Just a remark.

Second major Kudos go for the Fox-kicks-the-crap-out-of-the-dummy scene which also bears the second great similarity to the 'Hysteresis' end. Fox's phrase that she never expected Renard to die also seemed very real, and it also fit with her attitude in 'Outfoxed'.

Both the Owen and Xanatos offers seemed very real. And they both seemed as something that would indeed tempt them. Both of these situations seemed dangerous and for a moment I thought that Owen would indeed fall into temptation.

And the similarity in their situation brings to the excellent irony where David talk about his temptation while Owen believes he may be speaking of his own, so that Owen with a very adorable paranoia wonders whether that may have indeed been a shapeshifter. An excellent scene that says everything that needs be said. Third major kudos for this one.

And fourth for the 'living years'. No comment are needed for this.

Fifth for the whole presentation of Madoc and Maeve as individuals only slightly worse than Oberon. I have objected before to his being portrayed as Satan (as he has been previously been almost considered) and thus I liked this departure for more ambiguous and thus interesting areas.

Flaws in the episode? Right now, I can only think of one or two. It's too short, for starters. The number of the subplots, each one worthy of its own short story, makes it that none of them is given the time it deserves - the Angela subplot for example was sweet but somewhat intrusive and unneeded. It also means that unlike 'Scottish Play' or 'Requiem' or the majority of the Nancy Brown stories there is no single defining exquisite climax which will both resolve and synopsize everything that went before. Instead there's a number of smaller ones that though thematically linked they can't manage to have have the same emotional strength.

I also didn't care for the end. It showed us that Madoc would persist and reminded us he wants Titania, but really said nothing we didn't already know.

Final Thought: If the stories of TGS keep this quality, I'll be a happy man.

**** END REVIEW ****
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 02:13:02 PM
IP: athe530-a039.otenet.gr

ENTITY: I didn't think that POSSESSION counted as the "character switch bodies" cliche because no one TRADED bodies. Granted, Coldstone was running Broadway's body...but Broadway wasn't in Coldstone's. The cliche would involve Goliath waking up in Lex, Lex in Goliath, Broadway and Brooklyn reversed, Hudson and Bronx reversed, Elisa and Angela reversed...or...*sick grin* How about Elisa and Demona in each other's bodies...

GREEN BARON: "Not without my anus.." Yes, I did, LOL at the whole thing. Saddam Hussein, our new prime minister, sends you his regards. ;-)

JACKAL: I've got nothing against sexual discuessions but the point here is that this comment board is supposed to stay PG rated so that parents won't mind having younger kids coming here to read it. It's an all-ages board so we have to behave in ways we'd behave around younger ppl.

Fleur: My condolences.
Stormy
Thursday, December 10, 1998 01:09:59 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

BATYA - Oh, that's a wonderful crossover scene! I enjoyed it.

As far as famous fictional books on magic and the unusual that Giles could collect are concerned: I took a look at the current issue of the "Buffy" comic out on the stands, and there was a scene in it where Giles was mentioning some current research that he was doing on the most infamous spell book of them all, the Necronomicon. Buffy couldn't resist making some little wisecrack about it being made into a direct-to-video movie starring Leonardo di Caprio.

And I, too, suspect that Emrys's adolescent hormones might distract him a little in battling Aiden if it ever came to a magical duel.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:26:13 PM
IP: sys-153.open

****WARNING- JACKAL FOR THE 1ST TIME HAS GOTTEN UPSET WITH PEOPLE IN THE CR. I'M ABOUT TO PISS SOME OF YALL THE F*** OFF!!! HOW IS THAT FOR A WARNING?!!****
<<I would first of all ask you to stop the discussion. I have no problem with discussing sex, but this is a public comment room and your graphic description of what you would like to do to the show's characters are changing the atmosphere of the room. Especially your comments on what you like doing to yourself>>
Well, if you're gonna get all pissy about it, I guess I can. If you think I've been giving graphic descriptions, you don't wanna hear what I CAN say. And about what I "like doing to myself", I see you already missed the key words, "USED TO" I got a "wife" now, ok.
<<It's sex. That's why it's called 'oral *sex*>>
How serious can you take this disgusting act anyway? Stop and think about it before you open your mouth..... (In every level you wish to interpret that)
But I commend you on your ability to put words in people's mouth..., would you care for me to explain? 8 out of 10 people I know have a good time when they talk about sex, excuse the holy f*** outta me, that I thought people in here will be the same way. How old are you anyway, Aris? I'm 22, the majority of my friends are in the ages of 14 to 26. Some of the most fun and educational "sex" discussions I've ever had has been with teenagers! And every single time, they're the ones that bring it up (the discussion).
<<I'm not going to further screw them up by bringing gargoyles into the picture.>>
Hahahahahaaaa, I'm not sure how to say what I want to say..., to you..., I'm not being offensive, I'm just curious as to how yall would react to (if you saw them walking down the road- for instance) Elisa and Goilath. I mean, it's only natural that they perform some type of sexual acts on each other..., what would yall tell her? "It's ok for you to do that, just don't let my eyes see it"- Like Aris?

****Anyway on a totally unrelated matter....****
<<I honestly believe that suicidal tendancies is a genetic thing as much as an emotional thing>>
You think so, really??? I tried ending my life my share of times, and it will hurt me very much if my son or daughter ever had the same thoughts...., hmmm.
<<alcoholics>>
That's such a bad word...., don't let me read it again, heheheheheeee
<<I can't say that I'll never try to kill myself again, but I can say this: Scott left me the greatest Christmas gift any person has ever been given, and for that, I will be eternally grateful. He showed me what courage is. He taught me how precious life is>>
OK, I'm speaking in the sweet tone of voice there is..., I know I don't have much room to talk when it comes to attempted suicides..., and I get the impression that Scott meant alot to you. I think it's wonderful that you're able to see what his life has taught you, but don't let what he taught you go to waste by trying suicide again. I hate to quote a cartoon show, but every life is precious, (except for people like me and manson), and if Scott truly taught you that, then don't let it go. Don't forget him by letting it go. Believe me, I know all too well how bad crap like this can hurt, it... it sucks, heh heh. Instead of trying to look for reason in his death, look for reason in his life- I think you already done that though... :)
Man, I really need to go to work....
Jackal
Ga, Usa
Thursday, December 10, 1998 11:46:29 AM
IP: spider-th083.proxy.aol.com

Hi, all...

Wilek> Gee, and I was prepared to email you all the voting ballots...

Coyote> Saturn's GM, like Chevy, Olds, Caddilac...

Kitania> Actually, there was another Merdude...his name was Akeem. He was introduced in MM#7...

Back to work...and "Valete" is Latin for goodbye to more than one person...

Valete!
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:20:29 AM
IP: gcolor.com

You know, just once I'd like to hear Giles mention the Grimoirum Arcanorum among the list of books he'd like to own but doesn't.... Of course, I also think he _has_ got a copy of Tobin's Spirit Guide in that library somewhere.

Giles: "Here's the entry. Ahem. Gargoyles, sometimes called the Second Race. Hm. Ah-hah. Er, this is interesting. According to Tobin, they're not demons at all."
Buffy: "Let's see. They've got bat-wings, tails, and claws, they only come out at night, and one of them attacked me. Silly me for thinking they were demons."
Xander: "Gotta love those wacky supernatural critters. They always keep ya guessing."
Giles: "If I may continue...?"

*rubs her forehead* I've got to get out more.
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:16:56 AM
IP: usr44-dialup55.mix2.boston.cw.net

OK, once more into the breach....

This message is addressed to all those people who are offended by the recent turn of discussion taken in this lovely little room. If you don't like it, don't read it. We have spoiler warnings (for food and/or TGS), RP warnings (and those cute little "$"s), why not a graphic content warning? Henceforth, all material containing, um, sexual discussion will be marked by a "warning: this contains sexual discussion" header. If you're still offended, not much I can do.

FLEUR> Welcome back!!! *pause, reads rest of her message* Forty... degrees. Forty degrees. IT'S BEEN MINUS FIFTEEN HERE FOR THE PAST WEEK!!!

As for death, suicide, whatever: I'm really sorry about your loss. I know how you feel, and I know there's nothing I can say except that we're here to listen. *offers hug* I'll not touch the suicide issue here, except to say I've had lots of experience with it, and it's no answer, to anything.

JACKAL> You're sick. *evil grin* I like it. Just remember to use the warnings.

** leaves **

"Thou cut'st my head off with a golden axe/
And smilest upon the stroke that murders me..." - Romeo
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:15:39 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

While I remember, I heard that Ed Asner is going to be in the Xmas episode of the X-files this year. He and Lily Tomlin, play a couple who own a haunted house that M&S investigate.
Won't see it over here for a few months though :(

Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKThursday, December 10, 1998 09:23:06 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

**RP STUFF**
The TV switches on to reveall the Black Ravens and ..oh, god, everyone else, okay? making a hasty retreat from the Big Top. Suddenly, there is an intense beam of light. Everyone gets into various attack positions, preparing to rip whatever-it-is into itty bitty pieces. As the light fades, a loud, triumphant voice rings throughout the circus.
"I"M BAAAAAACK!!!!!"
**END RP SRUFF**

Hi all! Miss me?!?! Yes, that's right, it's Fleur, back from the wastelands of no-internet access. Thank god for older sisters, that's all I have to say. *huge sigh* Okay, time to make some replies.

Happy (incredibly late) birthday Nicodemus and Rahsaan. As for the leos taking over the world - Nah! We Sags rule! :)

Durid> *HUGE FROWN* Um, I sent you my proofing for your story last week, Thursday I think. Haven't you got it?

Coyote> Congrats on the new computer! *Sob* I'm jealous! A new computer is the main thing I'm going to get when my finances improve, like when I rob a bank, perhaps. :)

Starsinger> You asked last week what aboriginies call themselves. In case anyone wants to know, it depends on where they are from, and I want to make it VERY clear that I'm not entirely sure on the names. I think Aboriginies in Victoria prefer Koories, and those in Queensland go for Murris. Interesting fact: There are no more Aboriginies native to Tasmainia. Basically, they didn't survive white settlement (take that how you like, but please don't take offense - I mean none.) The last Tasmainian Aboriginie died early this century.

Gun laws> After a certain scum-bag killed 35 people at Port Arthur, all automatic and semi-automatic weapons were banned in Australia. I think it was a good thing, but that's just my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think guns are okay, as long as people use them properly. I just feel a little safer knowing that if somebody is going to go on a rampage, it's not going to be as easy to kill as many people. I know that, for someone's who's _really_ determined, the gun laws aren't worth the paper they're printed on, but..... Oh, I don't know. I just feel a little safer, that's all, and like all those people didn't die for nothing.

Ravyn> Good luck! Miss you!

Temperature thing> I don't know what this translates to in farenheit (proply something in the thousands), but tomorrow it will be FOURTY DEGREES CELCIUS!!!!! He he, guess who's going to spend their day in a nice, air conditioned car? That's right. Somebody else. My beast is beautiful, but the only AC she has is the window.

Ari> <grins and waves> Hi!

Jackal> Oh THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'm _never_ going to get all those mental images out of my head. Actually, there's even a few my mind shies away from - it's never done that before. Usually there's nothing my cruel little imagination won't touch. But, since there are young people who are probably confused enough by Mum/Dad's 'birds and the bees' talk, I'm not going to further screw them up by bringing gargoyles into the picture. God knows what _that_ could create. >:)

TGS STORY> *sigh* Oh help. A death story. This is not what I need right now. Um, I need to vent something, and it's pretty sad, so don't feel obliged to read it. Just skip thru to the TTFN.
Nearly two years ago, a friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer. First the doctors removed one of his kidneys, where the cancer was orginally found, and put him on a course of Chemotheraphy. I don't think I need to tell anyone about the Chemo and Radiation, but it didn't work as well as the doctors hoped. He had to have several more operations, many of them life-threatening, to remove tumors from his lungs and heart. Through it all, he remained unbeaten. Eventually, after he was given as much treatment as he could possibly have, we were told that there were no more tumours. We began to hope that the nightmare was over.
About a month ago, another tumor was found, in his throat this time. In was inopperable, and untreatable. On Saturday afternoon, Scott Freeman passed away at home, still unbeaten.

He was 9 years old.

Ever since Saturday, I've been trying to make sense of his death. Of course, the big question is Why?, but I don't think I should even bother trying to find reason for something as unreasonable as this. The only conclusion I've come to is this:
(deep breath) true confession time - I've tried to kill myself three times. I honestly believe that suicidal tendancies is a genetic thing as much as an emotional thing, like some people are more inclined to become alcoholics. I'm not trying to find an excuse for what I've done, I'm just trying to explain it.
The only thing more unjust, more _wrong_ than Scott dying before he even had a chance to live is for me to give up, to give into whatever it is in my head, and start wishing to die again. Scott never gave up, never gave in to what it was in his body, and only wished to live. I can't say that I'll never try to kill myself again, but I can say this: Scott left me the greatest Christmas gift any person has ever been given, and for that, I will be eternally grateful.
He showed me what courage is.
He taught me how precious life is.
And, lastly, I'm not alone. Angels never die - they just find new ways to hold out their hands.
Thank you Scott. If you can read this, (and I like to think you can) I just want you to know that what you have left behind will never be forgotten. I love you buddy.

*wipes away tears she promised herself she wouldn't cry, and smiles a small smile at everyone in the CR.*
Thank-you for hearing me.

TTFN.

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 08:37:18 AM
IP: norm.surfnetcity.com.au

Aiden vs. Emyrs: With the hormones involved? Emyrs would go down fast. :)

Sex discussion: Ok, Jackal, we've heard enough from you. Stop corrupting my girlfriend. Wait, she was crazy (about more than me) before she came in here. And before we met. Uh, never mind.

Be back later, gotta take finals now. Bye!
Doug
Thursday, December 10, 1998 08:18:48 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty36.as.wcom.net

OTHER POSSIBLE MATCHES:

Joker vs. Loki
Emrys Hawkins vs. Aiden Ferguson
The Grimorum Arcanorum vs. the Necronomicon
The Phoenix Gate vs. the TARDIS

(Okay, with the last two, I'm getting a bit silly, having the fights between inanimate objects, but that's creativitiy demons for you).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 10, 1998 07:20:34 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-169.primary.net

**** Aris Katsaris enters the room, disturbed with the last comments, especially of Jackal ***

Jackal> I would first of all ask you to stop the discussion. I have no problem with discussing sex, but this is a public comment room and your graphic description of what you would like to do to the show's characters are changing the atmosphere of the room. Especially your comments on what you like doing to yourself. Please don't repeat such stuff. Remember that small kids can come here as well. If you want to continue I'll advise that the board be given a 'PG-17' rating and warning be added.

Other than that: Some people here mention 'gay' as an insult. I can only say that I completely despise this. I'm hetero but I believe that bigotry against homosexuals is just another form of bigotry and to use the word 'gay' as an insult is inexcusable.

On oral sex matters: It's sex. That's why it's called 'oral *sex*'. Clintonite excuses of the style 'it's not really sex therefore it's not cheating' are ridiculous and they make me unable to consider their supporters as serious people.

Therefore Jackal, if you say that you are quite willing to have sex (oral or otherwise, it doesn't matter) with Brooklyn or any other male character of the show, that's your right: you have the right to be homosexual or bisexual or fantasize about such things. But please, your personal fantasies should not concern this board, and certainly this board is not concerned about the stuff you are doing to please yourself, or the graphic descriptions of them.

I think I'm speaking on behalf of the whole board. If there's anyone else here who disagrees with me, please say the word.

Lexy> I don't believe TGS treats Lex as if he was younger. Brooklyn is now older than the rest of the Trio, but Broadway and Lexington are portrayed with similar ages I think.

Review of the last TGS episode> I will almost certainly have it today. Let me repeat: a truly magnificent episode.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 04:50:01 AM
IP: ismini.di.uoa.gr

I had a freaky nightmare, that's why I'm awake, anyway....
<<Angela poses an interesting challenge...The Seduction of Little Miss Mary Sue....make her turn to the dark side>>
Yeah that's what I was thinking!!
Manson's autobiography> I own it man!!! As the Rev. says in the book, "A bl** j** is just like shaking a guy's hand, unless you get off on it, then you're gay."
<<I'd have to say the Gargoyle form of Elisa>>
Good call, I can't believe that slipped my mind!!
<<You're a dirty-minded bad man>>
I'm telling the things I CAN say, I'm not kidding! I've done lots of things that made people question my sexuality, (for instance putting a condom on my tongue), but I feel that I am secure enuf in my sexuality as to where I can do these "things" and not feel "gay" about it. That doesn't make me bad, does it?? But if you or anyone, ever wants to talk to me about "Why I am the way I am", my AOL screen name is Jkal1127.
Dark Ficition> Nine Inch Nails, Canibal Corpse, the one and only Manson, Rob Zombie and Al Green. Also the sound track to Interview with the Vampire. Muzik plays a major part in my emotions...
<<re circumcision: don't even get me started on this one ... >>
I'll just have to assume that they are born without the foreskin..., for my own reasons....
<<re oral sex: I'm not touching this one with a forty-foot pole.>>
Why not? It's lack of discussion that makes the topic so alienated..., and it IS about gargoyles...
<<there might be minors here>>
You rather they learn this crap on the streets? heheheheeee
<<You don't want to know some of the nauseating things I've heard about him>>
Now that's just it, now isn't it? What you HEARD!!!!!! Read the book and get those rumors straightened out! Better yet, go to a concert and go back stage, Manson talks to his fans, and ask him. Oh, and you know what? I used to give myself oral sex, but I still have both of my motherlovin ribs, (not that flexible anymore), please don't go by what you hear, expand your mind and research for yourself.
I'm gonna try and sleep now, goodnight!
Jackal - [Jackal1127@hotmail.com]
Ga, Usa
Thursday, December 10, 1998 03:23:23 AM
IP: spider-tq081.proxy.aol.com

I know I'm not gonna be liked for this but I just HAVE to voice this out. As a reader and fan of TGS I'm thrilled at the amount of work put into this place and the authors who take the time to write these great stories for us less fortunate as far as that talent goes. But as a Lexington fan I have to wonder... how come everyone thinks Lex is younger when we KNOW he HAD to of hatched within hours at the most a day and night of his ROOKERY brothers Brooklyn and Broadway? Is it just me or is it a past time of writers (both fans of Lex and not fans of Lex ) to put Lex through one of two. Extream emotional or Extream physical damage? Why is everyone so stuck on Goliath's dream of evil Lex? I know for sure that he's gonna flip when Both his Bro's have girls and he's left all alone. He might even do something really stupid like runaway or have a huge fight with Goliath and the clan or make a compleat idiot of himself, maby even become a compleat introvert! But Take over the WORLD. Get himself maimed and have robotic implants or what have ya. MAN I feel sorry for the little guy. Why can't he just go through the awkward stage we know he's facing and finally MEET A GIRL!! I know I sound nuts hear. PLEASE don't think I'm trying to be a jerk or anything. Just needed to know how other people feel I guess. *NOT A SPOILER*!
Lexy
Thursday, December 10, 1998 01:51:05 AM
IP: d088.hnet.net

Hi. I've been reading through the comment room and I'm having fun with what I see. I have finally been able to read the latest stories for the past three weeks, and I think that they are very good. But Renards death was so sad... It totally suprised me.
Anyway, I'm going to try and have a little fun with this debate too...
Goliath/Batman: Goliath, or Batman... It could be an even match. But, I think Goliath, for obvioud reasons. But, like someone else mentioned, the two of them would eventually stop and talk things out.
Elisa/ Scully: I'ld say Elisa. She's a better fighter....
Gargoyles and Ninja Turtles: Be kind of a close one, but the gargoyles would have the advantage.
Angela/Sailor Moon: Hmmm... probably Angela, or even Sailor Moon. SM has the magic, but Angela has the moves. But, like Batman and Goliath, they too would probably start talking and stop fighting. They're both very caring individuals.]
Demona/Buffy: I'ld say Demona. She's not like a vampire... Of course I've never really watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but out of the segments I've seen, Demona is the easy winner...
Molder/ Matt: Hmmm... probably Molder.
Hmm... what were some other ones? Oh well, that's all I've got. See ya around.
Shauntell - [sgargoyle9]
Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:07:04 AM
IP: spider-wb084.proxy.aol.com

27 OR 28 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 11:57:50 PM
IP: spider-wj062.proxy.aol.com

**RP!**
[At the Dark Star's command center, Wilek and the rest of the team are fighting Borg troops and traitorous officers that Zale has planted aboard the station. Wilek: "Guys, we have to get these goons out of here and get control of the station! Miriam, is there any way to get rid of these dang Borg?! They've adapted to almost everything we have!" Miriam: "The Dark Star's computer systems administrator is a former Borg Queen who was detached from the Collective and now is loyal to my organization." Jake: "So she's pretty much in the same situation as 7 of 9?" M: "Essentially." W: "OK, maybe she can take control of Guod's troops and use them against Zale's men. Get on it; we'll cover you!" Miriam and everyone else begin running to the DS's systems administration chamber.]
**PAUSE RP!**

Christine> About Wes Crusher: His first name is Roddenberry's middle name. Food for thought.

**WARNING IN THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH I WILL BE RATHER ARTICULATELY AGREEING WITH DAN'S OPINION OF MARILYN MANSON. I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE TO MM FANS. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION**
Dan> <<Marilyn Manson has become #1 on my Hitlist>> You said it, man. You don't want to know some of the nauseating things I've heard about him(?). Yecch. Just my opinion...

Cyrway> I'm glad to hear that, and sorry if I offended you. I didn't *really* think anything less-than-honorable was going on; it's just nice to get confirmation. ;) (Given what I've learned, how does one get one's characters submitted for consideration in this Deathmatch thing? It sounds fun...) Very kewl exit BTW. What exactly does valete mean?

**WARNING I'M PRETTY SURE SOMEONE WILL TAKE OFFENSE AT THIS. THAT IS NOT MY INTENTION AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION; PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME. ~_~ **
Circumcision and gargoylian sex> There was a discussion a few weeks (or months; I'm not sure) ago, which I think started with speculation about whether any of the Sailor Scouts were gay, that was eventually judged inappropriate to this CR. This discussion is getting a lot more graphic IMHO. Besides, there might be minors here. I'm disqualified from answering anyhow since I'm a garg myself. (Uh oh, that means I'm a potential answer to this question...<eep>) $[Teri yells, "You heard him, ladies! Come get yer big blue hunk muffin! Blondes are more fun! First come, first served!"] You're not helping, Teri. [T: "Like you wouldn't be flattered if some girl here would--"] DON'T GO THERE, TERI!$ As for oral sex...if that particular image doesn't leave my head RIGHT NOW, I swear to Oberon I'll burn it out with this triad cannon's flamethrower. Remember, this is all just my opinion...

Jonathan Lang and Ari> Welcome, and I am genuinely sorry you had to see that.

Fights>
1. Wile E. Coyote vs. Coyote the Trickster.
Really, who do you THINK?! :P

2. Griff vs. Killer Croc.
Griff. He's got more fighting skill, he can glide, and he doesn't look like a reject from SJ's lab who's been in a nuclear explosion and a blender. (What did Baby Dahl ever see in him?!)

3. Oberon vs. Superman.
Obie. Who else?

4. Brooklyn vs. Wolverine.
Actually, if Brook can get enough height to glide, it could go either way.

5. Sata vs. Amanda.
Who's Amanda?

6. Ariana vs. Vampire Willow.
I don't know who Vampire Willow is.

7. Graeme vs. Drusilla.
Don't know who Drusilla is.

8. Talon vs. the Joker.
The Joker doesn't actually have all that much fighting skill, but he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve, some of which are quite fatal. Too close to call.

9. Fox Mulder vs. Matt Bluestone.
Too close to call.

10. Cancerman vs. Captain Chavez.
Cancer Man. He has the Project, the Colonists, and, I have reason to suspect, the Illuminati backing him up.

11. The Alien creature vs. Broadway.
The xenomorph could fully kick Broadway's tail. Acid drool, acid blood, a stinger tail, a skull-crushing tongue jaw...shall I go on? I've got one of the things as a pet, so I know exactly what they're capable of.

12. Perot vs Duvall.
You mean they're not the same person? :P Seriously, Perot would probably whack Duvall into submission with a large fish, then ride a giant chicken out of the battlefield. (Ever see him on a talk show? When did he go insane?)

Robby> LOL at your Vogel/Al Gore matchup result.

Coyote> **SPOILERS FOR COYOTE'S FICS** I'm curious: How in the world did Macbeth end up in charge of Cyberbiotics?! **END SPOILERS**

Mummies Alive> Ecch, the only good thing about that show was Scarab's theme music. Anyone here remember it? It was this whole creepy, haunting, ethereal...something. Too kewl for that show.

Dumlao X> I've had days like that. Sometimes, I just want to get a chainsaw or a vortex rifle or a difluoric-acid-filled Super Soaker and just go nuts. For us gargoyles, a good long loud roar can be very cathartic.

I miss TRC too. And where have Zath, Wavelength, and Seri been? (TRC asked me to write him out of the RP at one point; he was expecting to leave...)

New fights>
Archmage vs Emperor Palpatine
Renard's Fortress skyship vs Don Carnage's Iron Vulture (from TaleSpin)
Claw vs the man-bat from Batman The Animated Series
Coyote robot (any version) vs the T-800

GB> Eh, does 'schmuck' have some technical definition I'm unaware of?

**RESUME RP!**
[The team evacuates the command center and runs through the corridors of the Dark Star. W: "Uh, Miriam, where exactly does the Administrator hang out? How far is it?" M: "Several kilometers from here." For those of you who don't know, the Dark Star is a circular space station, 50 km in diameter and about 10-20 km in height. W: "Oh shoot. Is there an elevator or something?" Just then, several troopers in black uniforms jump out at the team...and activate red lightsabers. They're Jerec's Dark Jedi. Anoth communicates telepathically to the rest of the team: ~Everyone, I'm about to do what I believe Jake has referred to as 'giving them a load of BS'. Follow my lead.~ He begins speaking to the Dark Jedi, obviously intending to pass himself off as one of them. To be continued...]
**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 11:15:20 PM
IP: tnt-1-103-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP!!!**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote and Ravyn freeing up the feet of the rest of their party. Buick has just been freed; Coyote is working on the Gearhead while Ravyn loosens Jason.**

Hold still, now ... **CRACK! CRACK! CRACK!!** There!

<"Thanks, boss, that was getting uncomfortable.">

No problem. How's it going over there?

<"Jason's free, Coyote!">

Thanks, now let's get ourselves outta here, the whole place is going down! And while we're at it, let's get some replies in! **END RP FIRST HALF!!**

Jackal (numerous times):
re circumcision: don't even get me started on this one ...
re dream-gargess: The only one that caught my interest ... in *that* way ... would have to be Angela.
re oral sex: I'm not touching this one with a forty-foot pole.

Jaden: Sorry about IM earlier this evening ... my connection crapped out on me. It was doing that repeatedly up until about 10pm.

Kitainia: It's probably not going to be until the next update at the earliest that I get any new pics up. When I bought the new system, the saleswoman told me to wait about a week before installing new Plug n' Play (should be called Plug n' Pray) equipment, like my scanner. on the plus side, I should be able to do it in one day (I have an off day this Sunday, that should suffice), and it will be easier with Win95.

"Win Ben Stein's Money": I would kill to get on that show ... I think I could hold my own. I'm also glad that a few people in here remember Pip Pumphandle!

Fire Storm: Why? Because you didn't get to do the audience participation bits (the call-backs, throwing stuff)? I know there's a CD out with the audience-participation stuff recorded on it, accompanying the entire audio track of the movie (so you get the cues right! "DON'T FORGET TO TURN OFF THE GLOBE!!").

Dan: yikes.

Cyrway: So between yours and mine, we pretty much represent the entire domestic auto insdustry! Oh wait, no we don't; neither one of us owns a Saturn! ;)

Wesley Crusher: WESLEY MUST DIE! KILL HIM BEFORE HE BREEDS!!!

**composes self**

Sorry. But I hate Wesley with a passion. You should see his card for the TNG CCG: it actually says "Saved the Enterprise 2 1/2 times" in his character description!!

Doug: Okay, I'll surf on over to your site after I get done with this one ...

Deathmatches: Forgive my glory-hounding, but I wound up pitting my fic characters vs. my cybercomic characters. Allow me to indulge myself in this little exercise ... if you want to figure out who's fighting who, click my name link; it goes to the cybercomic's site. Anyway, here goes:

1. LEADER MATCH (Rosanna vs. The Flea): Rosanna depends on updrafts to escape. Her opponent doesn't. Winner: The Flea
2. TANK MATCH (Samson vs. Ramm): They beat each other into submission. Then the big purple guy gets back up. Winner: Ramm
3. WEAPON MATCH (Liberty vs. Cutup): Cutup uses knives. Unfortunately, you don't bring knives to a gunfight. Winner: Liberty
4. SHEER POWER MATCH (Lina vs. Sonic Boom): Lina really has no concept of how powerful she can be with her stone. But it's enough to counteract her opponent. Winner: Lina.

And if you don't want to see the site ... well then these have just been the ramblings of a random lunatic. You may shoot me now if you wish ...

**RESUME RP!!**The party has made their way out of the circus tent, only to be confronted by the various acts from the sideshow.**

<"What're we waiting for?">

Hold up, Jason. They don't look threatening. **bends over to come eye-to-eye with the seal boy** What's going on?

<"Are you guys destroying the circus?">

Well ... we're trying our best to. It's run by a force of sheer evil.

<"Coyote, the bombs ...">

Just a minute, Rav. Why are you asking?

<"Take us with you.">

Uhh ... ahh ... well, we'll have to ask Doug about that. All we ask from you is that you fight alongside us. Can you guys do that?

**The water buffalo man snorts in agreement.**

Good. Let's go!

**The now newly-extended party rushes off to meet with the rest of the Ravens outside the ready-to-collapse circus tent as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 10:40:21 PM
IP: modem53.i-is.com

***The shadows suddenly move away from their corners for a second, when they move back Durid is standing before you.***

Sorry for missing for a few days, had trouble connecting to the GFW for some reason. Read the TGS episode, and *****TGS SPOLIER ALERT**** it is ok. Very sad, and not a bit disturbing. I mean, Madoc really does come off as just one step away from the devil himself in this episode. And we get development in some of the exclusive TGS chacters like Promethus. Already can't wait for the next episode though :) ***END SPOLIER***

***FANFIC SPOLIER*** Another piece of news, I finally got my stories profread (once again thank you Kitaina!). Posted them on the Archive for those who want to read them. E-mail me and tell me what you think! P.S. has anyone heard from Krytiana yet? ***END SPOLIER***

Entity: Methos is a 4000 year old immortal from Highlander. And Mauve beating Madoc? How do you figure that? They are both very ruthless and clever, but Madoc has the edge on raw power.

Fights: Methos vs. Macbeth: Aye, Macbeth would win. But not by killing. Not only is Macbeth too honorable not to give Methos a chance to yeield, but Methos will run first chance. He only fights when he knows he would win.

Todd Jenson: Buffy vs. Demona? Hmmm, it would be a nice crossover if done well. I wonder what The Watchers have in their books on Demona....

Ah well, can't read the rest of the CR tonight. Will catch up tommrow. Blessed be! And don't forget to read my stories!

***The shadows once again move from their corners and pull Durid back into themselves****
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 10:14:22 PM
IP: dialupc148.mpls.uswest.net

KITAINA - I certainly felt that "Mummies Alive" was a would-be "Gargoyles" imitator. I mean, it used a similar basic concept: beings from the distant past that have a traditional legendary atmosphere about them (gargoyles in one case, mummies in the other) reawaken in the modern world. And "Mummies Alive" comes out just after "Gargoyles" goes off the air, while the influence of the original series is still around. That's evidence enough for me.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 10:02:49 PM
IP: cardio-217.primary.net

Is there any way that the capsule summaries that appear with new episodes could be preserved with them in the archives?
Jonathan Lang - [traveler@io.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 09:42:01 PM
IP: h207-157-143-31.vcss.k12.ca.us

**RP!** The screen comes on. Doug is still falling. Luckily, Kitainia manages to glide up and catch him halfway. They both land and turn to face Daley, who is turning his elephant around. "Ready, now," says Doug, firing his shotgun into one of the beast's eyes in the same instant Kitainia hits the other. The elephant trumpets in pain and falls to the ground dead, squashing several goons. Daley is in the process rolled under the elephant's great bulk and also flattened. "We need to evac!" Doug shouts to everyone. "This place is going to blow!!" Lathrop nods, and after killing the Masked Magician with a bolt of chain lightning, begins casting teleport spells to get everyone to safety. As she and Doug are fleeing the soon-to-be-destroyed tent, Kitainia turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP**

Jackal: I don't know. There are so many good-looking gargs out there. Hmm. I guess I'd have to say Brooklyn. I've always had a slight thing for him. And as you and Christine both have said in your fics, as above, so below. <grin> If I was indulging the other side of my sexuality (as you were with Brooklyn), I'd have to say the Gargoyle form of Elisa. Don't ask me why, she was just the most beautiful female garg on the show, IMO. Demona makes a very close second.

Oh yeah, you shocked me. But that's okay, I've gotten used to who you are. You're a dirty-minded bad man, and I...like that! I'm glad you're in here instead of the main CR, too. There are people in there who will nuke you for talking about Gargoyles Kama Sutra. In here, the topic is okay, I guess. There's nothing wrong with talking about it, in my opinion. And your line about the gutter goes into my quote book.

Manson: To him I have only two words. "Die, Human!" If he can be called that. :P Yes, I know he's an act, but he's also a very stupid one (at least in my opinion).

Dark Fiction: Doug listens to Metallica for his dark stories. I'll take them over Manson any day.

Oral Sex: Well, whether or not it defines sexuality is a matter of opinion. I personally think it does. It is a sexual act. That's all I'm going to say about it.

Cyrway: I sent mine to gcolor, hope it got through. The bottom line of it was I liked the story a lot. Thanks for the entertainment. Completely agree with you on all those TMNT/Gargs Deathmatches. The merdude's name is Man-Ray.

Mummies Alive: Yawn. Boring cliched show. I don't know if I'd call it a Gargs wannabe, though. Not unless we're talking about TGC.

Amanda: You mean the Amanda from Highlander, right Doug? <Doug says, "Right.">

Most of these new fights are no contest. I'm not even going to make comments on who would win or lose. It's already been said. I especially don't think Arianna would have much of a chance against Vampire Willow (unless we're talking about 2038 "Doug's Fanfic Universe" Arianna). The other non-obvious winners would be Sata, Griff, Joker (he'd make Talon lose his temper and do something stupid) and the Alien. (Sorry, Broadway.) Maybe we oughta stop this fight thing if all the winners are going to keep being obvious ones. :(

SJ: Click my name, you'll find some great Alyson Hannigan links there. Willow is my favorite female vampire, too. She was hot, evil, vicious, I just can't begin to describe how good a bad girl she made. They ought to pull her out of the alternate universe and keep her in the show alongside the human Willow. Then some sparks would fly. (Imagine the turmoil it could cause in Xander as he tried to choose between the two Willows. Somebody should write a fanfic of that. <grin>)
Spike gets the award for my favorite male vamp, of course.

(Small Vent alert)
Argh!!!! Finals start tomorrow!!!! For me, anyway. I'm ready, though, so I should do well. At least I'll get a break from these boring dead days. (Vent over.)

More fights (and these, if slightly ridiculous, should actually be a contest!): My picks are in parentheses.
1. Daddy Mack vs. the Mack Daddy. (Whoever the hell they are!)
2. Spiderman vs. Brooklyn. (Spidey, Brooklyn would be all tied up in a matter of seconds.)
3. Lexington vs. Bill Gates. (Lex, finally, the computer users of the world will have their revenge!)
4. John Castaway vs. Ayatollah Khamanei. (Castaway, he's a lot crazier than the Ayatollah.)
5. Jackal (from Gargoyles) vs. Jackal (from our CR). (One is very heavily armed, the other has the Internet's dirtiest mind. Hmm, I think our Jackal would win. He'd get the real Jackal interested in what he was talking about and force a parley.)
6. Goliath vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger. (Bye, Bye, Arnie!)
7. Oz vs. Wolf. Yes, it would be a full-moon night. (I think Wolf. He's more vicious.)
8. The Power Rangers Turbo, complete with Zords, vs. The Ultra-Pack. (I see spandex, lots of flying blood, gore, and spandex! That means the Ultra-Pack.)

Prince of Egypt: Val Kilmer is doing the voice of God. Patrick Stewart is just gonna be the Pharoah. Oh well.

That's all for now. Later!
**RP AGAIN** Doug and Kitainia reach the circus tent's gateway just as Binky leaps in front of them. "Hey, Losers!" he yells. "Take this!!" He slaps pies in both their faces. Kitainia goes, "Yum, cherry butterscotch," and shoots the clown with her laser. He dies screaming. The two posters grab Jaden's swooning form and flee the tent as the screen fades out. **END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 09:23:25 PM
IP: hil-c45-045-vty174.as.wcom.net

Okay, DEATHMATCH PART WHATEVER: GARGOYLES VERSUS TMNT IN ANY INCARNATION:

Brooklyn vs. Raph: Eek...these two might end up killing eachother...
Michaelangelo vs. Broadway: This might conclude in out-eating each other...Michaelangelo will loose this battle...
Hudson vs. Splinter: Sorry, Huds.
Elisa vs. April: Elisa. Definately.
Lexington vs. Donatello: Lex would be the winner of this one.
Goliath vs. Leonardo: Goliath would pummel the crap out of Leonardo.
Angela vs. Ninjara: Ninjara. Hands down.
FT Lexington vs. Cyborg Donatello: this one goes to Cyborg Don...
Xanatos in Steel Clan Suit vs. Shredder: Xanatos.
MUTANIMALS ANYONE?
Brooklyn vs. Mondo Gecko (which incarnation? Please don't go with either of mine...): I'm not going to comment...they do this on a daily basis inside my head...
Broadway vs. Dreadmon: Slow and Steady wins the race...Broadway would end up tripping the speed demon...
Lexington vs. Screwloose: Sorry Screwloose...SQUISH!
Hudson vs. Merdude: Merdude. The dude's been alive for two-thousand years...
Goliath vs. Leatherhead: Um...good question...
Talon vs. Jagwar: Hmmm...Jagwar.
Oberon vs. Null: I'd root for Oberon, though Null would end up driving an I-beam through the Fae Lord.
Elisa vs. Candy Fine: Ack...Elisa wins again...

Any others? *yawn.* I'm going to bed...*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 09:15:22 PM
IP: ddialup-w-93.mint.net

Mea deus...look what I started now...

Heh...Manson is all an act, guys...just like Kiss, just like Rob Zombie...attention, that's all...and his music's good...though some of it gets a little dark...well, how do you think I can write dark? Listening to Barry Manilow?

Okay, night all...gotta finish up some of my commisions...I can't believe my scanner's on the fritz...thank god that I have good friends with a VERY NICE SCANNER!!! *wrings hands in a Sevarius-esque manner.*

I'se outta here! *PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 09:03:51 PM
IP: ddialup-w-93.mint.net

Whew! Finally, I have a couple of hours to take a breather from my work. So here goes with some comments!

SEX
(WARNING: THOSE WITH A LAZY TUMMY MAY BE OFFENDED)

Yes, Jackal, I DO remember those discussions. And I stand by my initial choice: Demona. Man, there is something about a bad girl! Oh sure, she'd probably try to disembowel me, but I can look past that. Personally, I think MacBeth always had a thing for her...always thought there was more (much more, *wink, wink*) to their relationship.

Although, Angela poses an interesting challenge...The Seduction of Little Miss Mary Sue....make her turn to the dark side....
But that's just the bad guy in me. Must Suppress Evil Side!!!

As for giving Brook oral....I think you're on your own there. No offense to any homosexuals, but frankly, that's a little too gay for me. I love Brook, but I would never LOVE Brook.

MANSON: I like the guy. You have to realize something: It's all an act. Well...most of it's an act. I mean, anyone who's actually read Manson's autobiography (Jackal?) knows he's had some pretty bad things happen to him...and he is into some weird stuff, like masochism....but I don't think he's as bad as people think he is. He makes some good music though, IMO. "Mechanical Animals" is a great album, so is "Antichrist."
I think he just pushes so many of the wrong buttons on people, they automatically hate him. But maybe that's his whole point. Still, I wouldn't let a 6 year old listen to him, his content's way too mature for them.


DEATHMATCH PART 2:

1. Wile E. vs. Coyote. Hmm....Well, Coyote's pretty powerful, but Wile E.'s damn near indestructable (it's true! watch the 'toons!). In the end, Coyote (fae version) accidentally gets smashed with an iron anvil meant for Wiley.
2. Griff vs. Killer Croc. I'm actually going for Croc on this one. Ever read the great Batman TPB "Arkham Asylum"? THAT Croc looks like a demon. Scaley wins.
3. Oberon vs. Superman. Oberon wins. Why? Well, Magic is one of the only two things that can hurt Supes (bow to my superior comic knowledge!). After a tough, long battle, Obie Ron wins. Use the Force, Puck!
4. Brooklyn vs. Wolverine. Wolvie's beaten Sabretooth's hairy hiney, so a garg won't be much more of a challenge.
5. Sata vs. Amanda. The immortal Amanda? I hate her. Sata wins.
6. Arianna vs. Vampire Willow. Willow in an instant. (Can I have your phone #, Alyson?)
7. Graeme vs. Drusilla. I'm sorry, Willow has forever captured my vampire affections.
8. Talon vs. Joker. Controversial, but I pick Joker. Simply because, although Talon's no slouch, I think the crazy bastard's just plain SMARTER. He could beat him. Joker would have to dodge Talon a lot, but in the end, Derek's smiling corpse becomes Joke's new throw-rug.
9. Fox Mulder vs. Matt Bluestone. We've hardly ever seen Matt fight, while Mulder kicks booty all the time. Hmm....Draw.
10. Cancerman vs. Captain Chavez. This depends: is it a physical fight, or a battle of wills? Physically, I have my suspcions that Chavez can kick some ass. Mind game, though, Cancerman wins hands down. After all, he's "Watched presidents die." Yeah, you killed him you son of ....
11. Aliens vs. Broadway. I think Broadway would eventually figure out a way to kill it. Just watch out for the acid!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 08:41:24 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

ROBBY - I agree with you about "Mummies Alive". To me, that show embodied Xanatos's remark about how no copy can live up to the original (let's face it, the show's an obvious "Gargoyles" imitator without anywhere near the intelligence that "Gargoyles" had behind it). It's to "Gargoyles" what Terry Brooks is to Tolkien.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 07:33:32 PM
IP: sys-119.open

28-29 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!!!

Okay, about my comment earlier about various characters being cliche. I supose I didn't say, "To a point." The gargs take the cliche personalities they are given, and run with them, and expand upon them, so that they stop being cliche. Gargoyles handled cliches better than any other show I know, in that they did not feel like cliches. (And yes Deuce, I _know_ what an archetype is...) Garbage like "Mummies Alive" however... (Shudder) Those particular characters are the embodiment of cliche to a point that makes me sick.

Ari- You've feel like you've known us forever? Blast, must be some Phoenix gate side effect. Maybe my countdown is the cause...

Coyote- I forgot about Ben Stein's Animanic alter-ego Pip! Ah, he was a fun character... And I watch "Win Ben Stein's Money" all the time! It's in its third season now, and its only been on for a year and a half! It MUST be popular!

DumlaoX- I know how bad days can be.

Christine- Why do you think they wrote Wesley out in the next to final episode? They did NOT want him in the movies!

More fights? Well, since everyone else is going to declare the winners, and will be pretty much right, I'll continue with the talk show host bit, and take it a bit further to the point of who would get their own show and what it would be about...

Andela/SAILOR MOON- Well, the Moon brat wins this one, since she already has her own show. Incidentally, if Angela held still for 39 seconds and was directly in the path of one of Sailor Moon's attacks, she would get soooo killed. But then, she _would_ have to sit through more than half a minute of dancing first.

VOGEL/Al Gore- Vogel would become a new teacher for the 12th season of Saved By the Bell, and would be cast as the boring teacher. Everyone would fall asleep in his class, and he would be the only one to notice that Screech is now like 25, and still in High School. It would lead to a conflict between him and Screech, (You can only have one nerd on a show) which would end with Vogel calling in the cybots, and having the entire cast murdered. Finally.

BILL CLINTON/Thailog- Bill doesn't even have to do any work for this. SOmeone comes up with the idea to take all the clips from the Lewinsky thing, and runs it together into a 78 hour mini-series, which everyone will claim they are sick of hearing about, but will do amazingly well in the ratings anyhow.

ATTILLA/Cagney- Attila can talk. I guess it would be some cat orientated program, I don't know much about Atiilla...

NUDNIK/Odie- Nudnik would be cast into the role of the new Lassie. The show would be cancelled after one episode, when someone realizes that Nidnik is not a collie at all, and that Timmie is actually a giant chicken.

WILE COYOTE/Coyote the Trickster- Wile gets a new show where he is cast beside his old partner, the road runner. Wile is a cop, and the road runner is a fugitive from the law. Naturally, the entire series is nothing but a series of chases and failed traps. The show ends when the roadrunner trips over something while going five hundred miles an hour, and flies right off the edge. Finally, the roadrunner gets to make the hole in the ground with a cloud of dust.

GRIFF/Croc- Griff would be cast into a 90's version of Happy Days or Grease as the cool Fonzie character that NO ONE messes with. After all, he's got the leather jacket.

Oberon/SUPERMAN- Supes already has his own show.

Brooklyn/WOLVERINE- Face it, the guy owned the X-Men cartoon, it was pretty much his show. But failing that, Wolverine would gladly take up a role in the Street Fighter cartoon. Upon coming onto the show, production costs would fire Vega. After all, Wolvie already has a mask and claws.

Sata/Amanda- Not sure which Amanda you're referring to.

Talon/JOKER- Welcome to an all LETHAL version of Bozo the Clown! Throw a ball into a hole, it explodes!

Mulder/Bluestone- They'd co-host a show where they would talk about conspiracies and the like all day. It would be the most watched show in America, but would have an untimely end to its run when everyone in the room would be shot, apparently dead. However, one by one, they would begin appearing in different shows, when you least expect them to.

Cancerman/Chavez- Can't think of anything for either of them.

Alien/BROADWAY- Broadway would become the new host of the Frugal Gourmet, but would cost the show a fortune, since he'd eat everything.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 07:23:26 PM
IP: spider-wj051.proxy.aol.com

My comments on the fights outcomes.

1. Coyote the Trickster wins, easily. (A combination of his magical skill and Wile E.'s general ineptness; if he can't even catch a roadrunner, how can he possibly defeat a fay?) Personally, I think that Coyote the Trickster considers Wile E. a disgrace to the name.

2. Griff vs. Croc: I don't know enough about Croc to answer this one.

3. Oberon vs. Superman: Oberon, most likely. He's a lot more ruthless, and wouldn't have any compunction of bringing into the battle enough kryptonite to destroy Superman, while Superman's sense of morality would hold him back from bringing in enough iron to dispose of Oberon. And judging from the WB animated series, the Man of Steel has problems holding his own against magic.

4. Brooklyn vs. Wolverine. Most likely Wolverine.

5. Sata vs. Amanda. Since I don't know who Amanda is, no comment.

6. Ariana vs. Vampire Willow. Hard to say. Might be Willow, though.

7. Graeme vs. Drusilla. That depends. If Drusilla's in one of her usual distracted moods, probably Graeme.

8. Talon vs. Joker. I'm honestly not certain, but Talon doesn't depend on electric hand-buzzers for the electricity, so he might have the advantage.

9. Fox vs. Matt. I haven't seen enough of either one's fighting skills to say.

10. Cancerman vs. Chavez. Ditto.

11. Alien vs. Broadway. I'm not familiar enough with the "Alien" movies (never seen any of them) to answer this one.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 06:57:32 PM
IP: sys-119.open

MORE fights... I'm too apathetic to post anything else.

1. Wile E. Coyote vs. COYOTE THE TRICKSTER - Wile E. Coyote's too inept
2. Not enough data
3. OBERON vs. Superman - Oberon could create a big-ass block of Kryptonite and drop it on Supe's head
4. Brooklyn vs. WOLVERINE - *Wolverine pops claws; Brooklyn dies*
5. Not enough data
6. Arianna vs. VAMPIRE WILLOW
7. GRAEME vs. Drusilla
8. TALON vs. the Joker - Electricity would freeze Joker's smile permanently (and curl that green hair, too)
9. FOX MULDER vs. Matt Bluestone
10. CANCERMAN vs. Captain Chavez - CSM would call in a hit squad and BAM...
11. THE ALIEN CREATUE vs. Broadway - Would this even be a contest?

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 06:24:59 PM
IP: ppp0209.connect.ab.ca

Opps, forgive the double post, you know how AOhell is...
Jackal
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 05:39:42 PM
IP: spider-tf031.proxy.aol.com

<<I GOT A CRANE AND DRAGGED MY MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER>>
I've heard somone say, "Everyone's in the gutter, just some of us look up at the stars." Or something like that. I don't see what's wrong with a little gargoylian sex. FireStorm, you remember the "discussions" on this topic right? SJ, do you? I think a gargoyle would be the perfect ****! Female- as far as the actual act goes. But I would give Brooklyn oral sex, I'm straight, I just don't think "oral" defines sexuality.
<<Not that I'd ever really want to do this if gargoyles were real>>
Why not?
Hehehee How many people did I shock today?! Show of hands...... This is who I am, deal with it!! heheheheee
Jackal
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 05:38:40 PM
IP: spider-tf031.proxy.aol.com

<<I GOT A CRANE AND DRAGGED MY MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER>>
I've heard somone say, "Everyone's in the gutter, just some of us look up at the stars." Or something like that. I don't see what's wrong with a little gargoylian sex. FireStorm, you remember the "discussions" on this topic right? SJ, do you? I think a gargoyle would be the perfect ****! Female- as far as the actual act goes. But I would give Brooklyn oral sex, I'm straight, I just don't think "oral" defines sexuality.
<<Not that I'd ever really want to do this if gargoyles were real>>
Why not?
Hehehee How many people did I shock today?! Show of hands...... This is who I am, deal with it!! heheheheee
Jackal
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 05:36:07 PM
IP: spider-tf031.proxy.aol.com

**RP!** The screen lights up. Doug is jet-belting among the circus tent's upper ropes, trapezes, ladders, etc. He is busy placing small explosive packagaes on each of the tent's poles while fending off the various acrobats who leap to knock him down. Mr. Hardhead, the circus's human cannonball, is suddenly fired up at him. Doug dodges, and lets the guy fall down (he misses the net). Doug then turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP!**

$Kyryn: Got your message. On my signal, you can start cutting the ropes.$

Kitainia: I know that. I was just saying if she would, it might be interesting. <grin>

JEB: Did you get our last e-mail to you of card description changes?

Welcome Ari! Hope you like it here.

Vampire Willow: I liked her, too. Especially the scene where she and Xander chowed down together on Cordie. :)

Atilla against Cagney: The only cat with a chance of beating Atilla is Mist. And that's just because Mist has a chaingun.

Vogel vs Al Gore: Gore, he'll have the Secret Service to help him.

Thailog vs Bill Clinton: Thailog would mop the floor with Bill. He'd also easily take down Hillary, Chelsea, Buddy, and Socks. If they had the secret service helping, though, it'd be a different story.

Angela vs Sailor Moon: Angela would win this one, hands down.

Nudnik vs. Odie: Arivaderci, Odie!

Atilla: Hello again! Thanks for your fight contributions. $The clowns make us sick, too. Don't worry, we will exterminate them all in this RP eventually.$

Temperatures: They're perfectly normal here, for winter.

<Jackal: If you could make love to any gargoyle, who would it be?> Kitainia. Or if I had to pick someone from the show, I'd say Angela. Not that I'd ever really want to do this if gargoyles were real. <grin>

Christine: What about Macbeth and Aiden? Oh wait, that's already happened. :)

Marilyn Manson: I hate that guy a lot myself. Needless to say, I'm also not that big a fan of his music.

Announcement: Everyone click my name to access my new Geocities homepage. I know there's not much there now (and won't be till after the holidays), and there are problems with the images. But I have the skeleton up, and you can sign the guestbook. So enjoy!

TRC: I miss him, too. And Zath. And especially Lady Mystic. She's been gone so long. :)

Here are some new fight ideas:
1. Wile E. Coyote vs. Coyote the Trickster.
2. Griff vs. Killer Croc.
3. Oberon vs. Superman.
4. Brooklyn vs. Wolverine.
5. Sata vs. Amanda.
6. Arianna vs. Vampire Willow.
7. Graeme vs. Drusilla.
8. Talon vs. the Joker.
9. Fox Mulder vs. Matt Bluestone.
10. Cancerman vs. Captain Chavez.
11. The Alien creature vs. Broadway.

I think the winners would be Coyote the Trickster, Griff, Oberon, Wolverine, Sata, Willow, Graeme, Talon, Mulder, Cancerman, and Broadway myself. What do the rest of you think?

That's all for now.
**RP AGAIN** Doug sets the last bomb in place, downs the last acrobat, and then flips on his communicator. "Okay, Jammer and Kyryn, you may bring down the tent and trigger all the explosives we set in five. Everyone, evac now!" Doug gets confirmations from both Jammer and Kyryn, then turns to shimmy down the pole. Suddenly, an elephant ridden by Ringmaster Daley slams into it, knocking Doug off. The screen fades out as he begins to fall and scream. To be continued. **END RP!**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 05:30:17 PM
IP: hil-c45-078-vty216.as.wcom.net

Christine> EVERYBODY hates Wesley. Apparently they used to show the scene from the film 'Toy soldiers' (where Wil Wheaton gets machine gunned) at conventions amid great cheering.
Jackal> Not even going to go there...
Sevarius Jr> I wouldn't try too hard to catch Invasion Earth it wasn't great and got worse. Cliched with terrible acting, but some of the fx were ok. Look out for Ultraviolet if they broadcast that. It's a modern, realistic take on the vampire myth with good acting and a strong plot. The first recent UK sci-fi/fantasy production thats been any good. But Red Dwarf is back for Season 8 in the new year.
BuffyTVS> I wouldn't know, they stopped mid-season 2 and that's if you have cable/satellite. It's not been shown at all on the terrestrial channels.

Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKWednesday, December 9, 1998 05:07:42 PM
IP: ppp-1112.telinco.net

<<WARNING! THIS POST CONTAINS, UM, DISCUSSION THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED MILDY OFFENSIVE/DISGUSTING. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK.>>
Jess man, back in my day this room talked about human/gargoyle sex like it was nothing.
<<My sister's favorite (music) artist is Marilyn Manson. She's 6. Marilyn Manson has become #1 on my Hitlist (people I wanna kill). He stopped dressing up like a gothic fool who's trick-or-treating, now he's dressing up like a woman. He is so gay. And not to mention sick.>>
Though I have no ideas on how to make someone quit liking something, (it's like trying to make someone stop eating), I can voice my opinion. Mar1lyn Man5on is a very smart and talented individual, and I would recommend him to people who are into performance art and want to step beyond the traditional realm of society. However, I do not feel that a 6 year old should be exposed to Manson's ENTIRE message, listen to the "Dope Show"- cool. "AntiChrist Svperstar"- cool. "Sweet Dreams"- cool. The rest, she should become more familar with society to understand. Ask her why she likes it, Is it because it sounds cool? He's got a sexy voice? What is it that she likes? But DO NOT force your opinion on her, she's 6, she's needs to learn how to start using her mind, and not to go along with what other people think- You in this case. I already see you're a very judgmental person, "He's so gay...., and sick...., on my hit list." Do you want your sister to walk around and say, "You're so gay! You're number one on my hit list!" I hope you're not telling you sister what you've just told us in the CR. If so, you're giving her a contradictory message. Though I am a major Manson fan, (and had the blessing of exchanging spit with him), I'm not taking sides.., I'm saying if your sister wants to listen to Manson, she's gonna do it, wither you or your parents know it or not. So, repect her wish, but be a responsible brother and "filter" his message, until she's able to understand what it is he's saying. But don't contaminate that filter with your own thoughts, let her think for her self, as I said she needs to start using that brain. I'm speaking to you as a parent, my little boy loves "The Dope Show", I never forced my taste of muzik on him, he came home singing it one day..., So, they get the s**t at school...., but it does throw him off seeing a man with boobs, I think it teaches him to see people as human beings and not male or female. Thus leading him not to think women to be sex objects, but a person who thinks and feels as he does.
Jackal
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 04:56:38 PM
IP: spider-wn032.proxy.aol.com

Quickie...

Wilek> Oh, I'm not that shallow...I never voted...and I had Blitz recount them to make sure...Just the way things come out...

And my family also has a three-car garage: My step-dad's Dodge Van, my Mom's Ford Explorer, and my Chevy Cavalier (ELRIC!!!), not to mention his souped-up MGB and my Bug. Jus that out of all of them, the Explorer's been in the shop more times than my beat up Cav, and we bought Mom's truck new.

Jeb and Traveler and everyone else> Nope, I didn't get your mails yet...did you go to amy@gcolor.com ? I know my blkblade@mailexcite.com acount is screwed up again.

VALETE! *PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 02:54:29 PM
IP: gcolor.com

Deuce--> ew

My sister's favorite (music) artist is Marilyn Manson.
She's 6.
Marilyn Manson has become #1 on my Hitlist (people I wanna kill).
He stopped dressing up like a gothic fool who's trick-or-treating, now he's dressing up like a woman. He is so gay.
And not to mention sick. Ew.
I feel very sorry for my sister. Girls her age are sopposed to like the Spice Girls. I'm just scared she's gonna burn down the house or slit her wrists because Marilyn Manson told her to. Is there anyone out there that has any ideas on how I can get her to not like Marilyn.

Deuce--> yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck.

1 more thing to add: Angela definatly has an advantage over SailorMoon because SM is a whiney crybaby who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. But she does have some wacky powers.

ttyl
Dan - [tinfoil@softhome.net]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 01:32:26 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

** WARNING! THIS POST CONTAINS, UM, DISCUSSION THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED MILDY OFFENSIVE/DISGUSTING. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK. FLAMES CAN BE DIRECTED TO THE USUAL ADDRESS. **

Assuming I'd EVER feel the urge to do the horizontal hokey-pokey with something with wings and a tail (come to think of it, that'd be kinda kinky), I'd choose... oh, let's say Delilah (her being half-human and all).

Regarding the ol' snip-snip, it's usually done for medical or religious purposes. Figuring circumsicion into solstice worship is beyond my powers of comprehension, and I doubt gargoyles were much on personal hygiene/medicine back then anyway. (Assuming, like Christine says, that it would be POSSIBLE).

** OK, I GOT A CRANE AND DRAGGED MY MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER. IT'S SAFE TO COME OUT NOW. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 12:52:48 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Characters > it's been my experience that an author must find something of him/herself in every character in order to write them effectively. Even, and most especially, the villains. Hence, that must mean there is something of me even in people like Jericho ... scary thought.

Mary Sue > according to Trek rumor, Wes Crusher was Roddenberry's own personal Mary Sue (or whatever the male version thereof is called). How many "Wes saves the day" eps? How many people just loathed the little twerp?

More Mary Sue > There's a RPG called Villains and Vigilantes, in which the player lis _supposed_ to make up him/herself with super powers. Bleah. Uck. Who'd want to do that? I game for escapism; part of writing is for the same reason. Why would I want to include me? For one thing, my main heartthrob is Goliath, but I cannot imagine him going with even an idealized me over Elisa; part of what I love most about him is _them_ together. My runner-up is MacBeth, though, and I have to say that the temptation to let Birdie and MacBeth have an "encounter" is getting pretty strong ...

Jackal > re: circumcision -- even assuming they're built the same way, that they have a foreskin at all ... such things were not common in the 10th century anyway.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 12:36:06 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

If Bill Clinton and Thailog fight..., I just hope Thailog ain't wearin nothing blue! Now in a fight between Elisa and Scully, I would say Scully, because I like Scully and I HATE that stupid human! I want to crucify Elisa..., hang her on a cross made a televisions! Cool! Anyway, I'm really beginning to wonder about this circumcision thing..., I already know..., I mean it's a "given" that gargoyles have a size advantage over you humans (I am more than human, I am a jackal), or disadvantage- depending on the female..., I mean, personally- I wouldn't want a four by twelve thing in any part of my body- Did I cross the line with that? Anyway..., just for the sake of having a intimate knowledge of these creatures is why I'm curious..., I smell candy canes..., but I know I can't be the only one who has thought something like this...., am I?
Being that I'm on a "touchy" subject let me ask this..., If you could make love to any gargoyle, who would it be? I'll say Angela, I would say Demona, but she'd rather die than attempt to have a good time. Also, honestly.., if it was a secret and no one else had to know, I would give Brooklyn oral sex. I really don't see anything wrong with that, I think oral sex should be passed out like weed. But I AM the morally declined figure in the room, so don't take what I say into consideration without first discussing it with you parents! Hehehee I can see that conversation now!!! Oh! And here's something I tell everybody who uses "virginity" and "cheated" in the same sentence..., "You've only spent a second of your life, it's not as if it truely matters, at least now you know what not to do." Is that cruel?? God, I don't wanna go to work!
Before I leave I just wanna say I have two songs stuck in my head..., and they mix with each other, it's Marvin Gaye and NiNe iNch Nails..., it goes- "Your god is dead and no one cares! Let's make love tonight...." I don't know, I wish you could hear it the way I hear it....
Jackal - [Vampyr@deathsdoor.com]
Ga, usa
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 12:32:48 PM
IP: spider-tf014.proxy.aol.com

DEUCE - Angela beating Sailor Moon, yes. (I assume; I've never watched the show. It never aired in St. Louis). Angela actually ripping Sailor Moon's head off; forget it. I can't imagine her actually killing anybody.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 12:31:46 PM
IP: pn15-ppp-169.primary.net

No RP for today. I'm still stuck in something far scarier than a rampaging Thailog, and that is FINALS. In fact, I have a 8 page essay due in just a little under 48 hours. I'm thinking about cloning myself just to get all my work done!

Whoa! Looks like the room's already up to 200+ k!

Invasion Earth: I've never been much of a fan of British sci-fi (probably cause the only one's I've seen are Dr. Who and Red Dwarf, and they're only broadcast on a PBS station here.) But after watching the first part of the mini-series, I gotta admit I dug it. Although if it was American made, there'd be more sex and violence....still, I'm gonna try to catch the other two parts to it.

Last Night's Buffy: OH MY GOD. I think they should have Bad Vampire Willow on each and every friggin' episode. First off, I must admit I have a thing for Alyson Hannigan...but she was wearin' leather...and she looked good....and I loved the scenes with her and "Puppy." That episode's one for the archives!

Gargoyle circumcision: Good Lord, I don't even want to think about that. All I can say is, you'd better do it right. Otherwise, the parents are liable to make sure you get the ol' snip, snip. Know what I mean?
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 12:30:52 PM
IP: 129.174.56.36

DumlaoX: I aim to please!

Coyote: Anything is better than Barbie Girl!
HOPEFULLY, this will keep it outof my head for a week or so.
As for losing my ahem... "Virginity", I felt cheated. :)

Warm Weather: A few days ago, it was almost 70. The next day, some storms came through and now the temp is below 40, I think.

Green Baron: FREEZING 50's?!? Hell, around here weather in the 50's in the winter is a HEAT WAVE!
Probally by Feb 1 we will dip below -10.

Wilek: ALL of Aqua's songs have that "Small World" quality that makes them all stick!
Makes me want to Burn|Cycle to get rid of it!

Buffy: YEAH! Last night's Buffy was a Creativeity Spawn if I EVER saw one! I only wish the alternate reality was longer. :(

Anegla vs. Sailor Moon: If SM dances before firing her weapon, Angela, no doubt. Have her pull off those Micky Mouse Ears/Meatball's on her head!


Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 12:14:01 PM
IP: dhcp162.visitus.net

**RP**
Kyryn and her team are fighting outside the circus tent. She looks up and sees an elephant charging at them. She extends one hand with pinky and thumb held out at angles. As she stares at the elephant, it slows and stops. "Sit." The elephant promptly does so and squashes half a dozen goons. "I always wanted to do that!". Kyryn grins and turns to post.**END 1ST HALF RP**

$I will be online for part of the time during the holidays. I'll be up in Denton from the 19th - 3rd, but I'll have access through Okami's machine. I'll respect whatever the mainline RP'ers decide to do.$

New fights> Winners: Ben Stein, Duvall, Doyle, Coyote, Coldsteel, Puck the fay, Attila, Vogel, Thailog, Matt Drudge, Angela.

Green Baron> Yeah, our views do seem to run along similar lines. But discussions can still be fun :)

Heather> I didn't ignore your comment on this week's ep. You just said that you didn't like sad eps, so I respected your views and figured you wouldn't want to discuss it since you didn't like it much. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. Sometimes I like sad stories and sometimes I don't. A lot depends on what's been going on in my life lately. BTW, how's your African clan story going? I haven't gotten a chance to work on pics lately (Christmas stuff and RL work has kept me busy), but I will get back to them. :)

DumlaoX> I sympathize. I've had those days. I usually go out and run, bike, or practice my martial arts. Though I still tend to explode if someone catches me at the wrong moment. :) I keep thinking of "Avery's Bad Day" from Christi Hayden's fics.

Deuce> Don't ever major in English Literature if you want to write fiction. The constant analysis and picking apart of everything will ruin your creativity for a while. That's what it did to me. :( Luckily I got better :)

75 Degrees: Well, it was in the 30's this morning in South Texas and my trip to work is short enough that the heater warms up just as I pull into the parking lot.

TRC> I think he had said something about not being able to post for a while, but I too hope that he's ok. Come to think of it, I haven't seen Zath for a while either.

Wilek> 'sharp as a bag of hammers' LOL - I love that description!

**2ND HALF RP**
Kyryn gets one of the gremlins to patch into the Ravens' radio links. "Doug, I'm outside and I've got a good shot at the main support ropes on this side of the tent. If you want me to, I can start bringing the house down." Kyryn and the others continue trashing roustabouts and occasional wild animals as they await Doug's reply.**END RP**


Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 10:58:14 AM
IP: 168.37.239.86

**Green Baron walks in and sees Attila's comments**

That cat.

Deuce> Attila would have Cagney for breakfast. You're right.
No he didn't mean a bird.

Nudnik vs Odie> Chomp. Odie burgers.

Wilek> Actually, Attila was only being mildly obnoxious saying that. Circumcision is still not practiced that often in Europe, but I do apologize to all Europeans on this board. It does seem a little tasteless in retrospect. That's the last time Attila posts at 2 in the morning.

Aris> I would agree with your statement definitely. No one in that region had red hair, since they were never blessed by visiting Celts. Talk about a deprived life :)

Temperature> Mandi, you should be happy now. It's down to the freezing fifties in New Orleans so it shoudl be much colder for you now.

Robert Frost> I remember some of his stuff in sixth grade. He was good. As for that form of interpretation, I had a n English teacher who had us interpret three poems from an author that we reminded him of. He gave me Weldon Kees. that guy was very bitter, but a great poet.

Deuce & Stormy> Have either of you seen the South Park epsiode with Terence and Philip?

Coyote> Pip Pumphandle? LOL!! I think he once swore on the grave of Vanilla Ice's musical career :)

Ari> Welcome

Fieger vs Doyle> Fieger would have Dr. Kevorkian sneak up on Doyle and give him a lethal injection.

**Green Baron leaves for breakfast**

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 10:39:16 AM
IP: 141.164.133.110

New fights! CAPITALIZED wins...
ATTILA vs Cagney - No-brainer.
Vogel vs AL GORE - I'm assuming you didn't mean a bird.
THAILOG vs Bill Clinton
Travis Marshall vs MATT DRUDGE
ANGELA vs Sailor Moon - "Moon powe-- AARRGGHH!!!!" *Angela rips SM's head off by the ponytails*
NUDNIK vs Odie - "Grrr..." *Nudnik eats Odie*

I'll be damned if I know where Dan is....

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 10:04:18 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Another fight possibility: Nudnik vs. Odie. (Bronx vs. Odie is far too one-sided).

I also watched "Buffy" last night. The thing that surprised me the most was that Cordelia got killed halfway through; usually in this sort of story, the person planted in the alternate reality through his or her wish survives throughout and is instrumental in getting things back to normal. Instead, Cordelia gets done in by Xander and Willow, and it winds up being the Giles of that alternate reality who has to restore things. Talk about challenging conventions! A good story, though, and quite chilling. It was fun to see the Master again, too.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 07:18:32 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-130.primary.net

**RP!**
[The team is crawling about the Dark Star's power conduits and being pursued by Borg scuttlers. SJ: "Man those things can move!" Wilek: "Yeah, they're designed that way. In open territory they can outrun just about anything. Luckily their shields can't adapt to simple Halfling telekinesis." Miriam: "We're almost at the command center!" Just then, several scuttlers leap out at them; Anoth telekinetically rips them apart. W: "Glad we brought him along."]
**PAUSE RP!**

Fights>
1. Buffy vs. Demona.
Don't know.

2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett.
Owen. Robby's explanation of why Vogel might win is interesting, but you've got to remember who we're REALLY talking about here. Puck. The consummate trickster. Giving this boring individual incredible martial arts skills is probably his idea of a practical joke.

3. Methos vs. Macbeth.
Don't know.

4. Fang vs. Catwoman.
Fang if he manages to take to the air; Catwoman if he doesn't.

5. Maeve vs. Madoc.
It's too close to call; Madoc's more powerful, but Maeve's more cunning.

6. Umbriel vs. Garlon.
Umbriel. He strikes me as being a rather smart kid; he's likely to find some iron somewhere and kick Mousey's little pink tail with it.

7. Goliath vs. Batman.
Does anyone here have any reason to believe these two would actually fight? No. They'd probably join forces to take down a conspiracy between Thailog and the Clock King (who IMO is the kewlest Batman villain ever, with Mad Hatter at a close second).

8. Ethan Hunt (from the Mission Impossible movie) vs. Matt.
Don't know.

9. Scully vs. Elisa.
Hand to hand, it would have to be Elisa. In a gunfight, they're fairly evenly matched.

10. Cagney vs. Garfield.
When it comes to sheer physical ability, Cagney for sure. But Garfield's a sentient being, and a rather smart one at that. He'd find a way to outfox Cagney with relative ease.

11. Pinky vs. The Brain.
Pinky's about as sharp as a bag of hammers, and it wouldn't surprise me if Brain turned out to be a better martial artist than he lets on. Of course, Pinky might manage to accidentally push Brain into a chipper/shredder or something, so who knows. (Of course, if it happened during my second fic, all bets would be off. If you've read the thing you know what I'm talking about.)

12. Thailog vs Bill Clinton
Please. Thailog's stronger than *I* am; the guy could probably tear a phone booth in half. Bubba on the other hand...

Traveler> Loved that ultimate Gargs fanfic deathmatch link. **SPOILER** Eh...am I mistaken, or are both the winning characters the creations of Cyrway? I hope that's a coincidence... **END SPOILER**

Heather> I don't mind your opinion of "Offers"; we're all entitled to it. Wow, you got Starship Creator? Too kewl! I've seen that game in electronics stores, and I think it ROCKS! Do you get to build your own starship classes from various components? (That's the primary reason I'm interested in the game; I'm an aesthetics nut.)

Just saw the pics for "Offers". Masterful work, especially the second one.

Coyote> YES! Another "Win Ben Stein's Money" fan! That show really made me respect him. I had no idea he was such a skilled humorist. He and Miriam would make a cute couple. [Miriam yanks real hard on Wilek's ponytail.] OW! Sorry.

Jackal> <<Do gargoyles get circumcised?>> I doubt it; that's mostly a Jewish religious matter. Unless it was for some medical reason that I quite frankly don't want to speculate about...<eep>

Temperatures> Ugh, until a few days ago it was in the 70's here. It's cooling down though. When I went out in my human form today, I actually needed a jacket. With my affinity for low temps, that's pretty dang cold. Speaking of temperatures, click my name. ^_^

Fire Storm> Ack, I HATE Barbie Girl! The only really good song Aqua ever produced is "Lollipop", and even *that* is only if you don't know the lyrics (which I don't, thank Oberon).

$Kitainia> Hm, Asil has a Doom BFG? Ack, don't let her get a hold of the more powerful Quake II version...$

Jaden> <<Leos are foot soldiers? I think not!>> You DO realize I was kidding, right? Sorry if I offended any Leos out there. The Capricorn Synod denies having any control over the Leo Union and boy were they ticked at me for joking about that.

Attila> <<Europeans for the most are still schmucks>> I think you just alienated most of the CR and half the population of Europe.

**RESUME RP!**
[The team opens the maintenance hatch to the command center--only to find it infested with Borg shock troops, scuttlers, and General Zale's men. Jake: "Oh...shoot!" The enemy troops begin doing so; the team scatters.]
**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 03:35:53 AM
IP: tnt-1-94-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Sorry about the posting so soon but I just saw Kitainia's post and I just wanted to say that pausing the RP is fine since I'm going on vacation too.
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 03:29:28 AM
IP: pm1-18.sma.silcom.com

Oops! That was me, not my slaveboy
Rev. Attila - [Baron1314@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 03:06:00 AM
IP: 208-29-89.ipt.aol.com

**Reverend Attila walks in mooning everyone**

Hello all! I'm naked, but it's okay. I'm a cat.

Jackal> You are one sick puppy. I doubt they'rer circumcised. I got a much closer shave when I was eight months old. Europeans for the most are still schmucks so I imagine Golaith and company are schmucks :)

Kitainia> Those hatemongers really make me sick. As a minister, I am truly embarrased. As for South Park, I find it amusing, but I want Cartman to die for being mean to Kitty.

Egyptian panthenon> They have some cool gods. After all, God is a cat :) In truth, God created cats first and created humans so we could domesticate them. Satan created dogs.

Celebrity Death match> I only care about one fight.

Garfield vs Cagney> I agree with my slaveboy on this one. I could kick both their butts at the ame time. Garfield is a lot like my fat dead brother George, except Garfield likes women cats and George liked Richard Simmons.

I have some fights to add

Myself against Cagney
Vogel vs Owl Gore
Thailog vs Bill Clinton
Travis Marshall vs Matt Drudge
Angela vs Sailor Moon

That's all. Meow. Bye!!


Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 03:04:54 AM
IP: 208-29-89.ipt.aol.com

**RP!** Inside the circus tent, Kitainia is trying to fend off a large group of lions and other animals with help from the bikers. The others are busy fighting the preformers. Lathrop meanwhile has drawn his staff and is pointing its crystal at the Masked Magician. "You know, I thought your quest in life was to reveal magic's biggest secrets, not hypnotize people!" "Why do you think I did that revealing?" the Magician snarls. "So people would believe all magic was fake and be easier prey!" Lathrop snarls and shoots a lightning bolt at his enemy. The Masked Magician dodges and throws a fireball back at him, which Lathrop also dodges. The two of them soon get into a huge wizards' duel. Kitainia blasts the lion tamer with her laser and turns to Methos, who has just sliced up a tiger with his sword. "This isn't your fight," she says to him. "You can leave whenever you want." Methos shakes his head. "This is fun. I'm staying. Besides, I think your sister likes me." Kitainia rolls her eyes and continues blasting the animal and preformer thugs as she turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP!**

$Great, now I'm really worried. Oh well, who my sister dates is none of my business. Just as long as it doesn't create conflict among the group. :) $

$Offline Time: I also plan to be gone from the 19th to the 29th. Maybe we should pause the RP for that. But I'll wait till I've heard responses from Jaden and Ravyn to know for sure.$

Patrick Toman: Thanks for the Gathering info. I definitely plan to try and come down!

Todd and Nicodemus: Thanks for all the great info.

Red Hair: I've never known any redheads with weird powers. At least not outside fanfic, TV, myths, and the like. In other words, not in RL. Either they're keeping their powers hidden or they didn't really have them. :(

SJ: You see Buffy tonight? Wait, of course you saw it. You were the one waiting to see Willow as an evil vamp. Just so you know, I saw it as well. She made the best evil female they've ever had, IMO. Better than Drusilla! Good ep, too, if one with a <yawn> ending.

Cyrway: Liked those Fanfic Celebrity Deathmatches. Did you get my comments on AA?

The New Fights: My picks are Owen, Duval, Fieger, Coyote, Coldsteel, and Puck the fay. Thanks again to everyone who's commenting on the fights!

JEB: Glad you like the cards. We'll certainly keep them coming. As fast as we can make them, obviously. :)

Doug: Laura would never go on a talk show to tell everyone about Agony's life and her feelings. She may be a very curious person, but she knows when to keep a secret. Sheppard now, he might do that. And if he did, the Illuminati would execute him for revealing so many of their secrets to the world. Right after they arranged for the death of Springer or whoever hosted the talk show. :)

DumlaoX: I've had plenty of those days. Mostly during finals.

Ari: Welcome to the new blood! Enjoy this place!

$Coyote: Glad there were no hard feelings on your part.$ And I'm also looking forward to reading your new fic in a couple days! Have you got that new scanner hooked up yet, btw? I'm also really hankering to see some new WCC pics! :)

Deuce: I like archetypes. There's nothing wrong with them. They are good for a character at first. Then when the characters go beyond the archetypes, as so many in Gargoyles did (and in fanfic continue to do), they become all the more interesting for me.

Jackal: They don't get circumcised. Gargoyles are born without the foreskin. How do I know that? I asked a certain Ms. Destine. :)

Announcement: Doug and I found our ideal web server tonight. We will be establishing the account with them tomorrow, and get our webpage skeleton up for everyone to see.

Wonder if anyone else misses TRC. He hasn't been here in so long. I hope he's okay. :(

That's all for now.
**RP AGAIN!** Kitainia hurls a grenade towards a group of rabid circus dogs rushing at her, blowing them all up. She then turns to face Karnov, who is swinging a fist at her. Kitainia kick him in the <ahem> and he goes down gasping for air. She takes the opportunity to blow his head off. "That's for all the times your lousy game kept me from other stuff," she says, turning back to the fight. A large group of freaks rush towards her as the screen fades out. To be continued next time! **END RP AND POST!**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 02:57:09 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zor-vty30.as.wcom.net

****RP Under the Big top!!!****
The circus slowly turning into a battle zone, a bunch of clowns against the good guys. Jaden picks up a midget and throws him at a mime who had been trying to shoot him with an invisible gun. Scanning the "battlefield" he sees Doug battle a few lions, tigers, and bears (oh my!).

"Hey Doug! Need a hand?"
"No thanks, I got this covered," he says as the lions turn tail and run back to the safty of their cages.
Jaden moves to find another head to bash when he feels someone tap him on the shoulder. He turns just as a clown sprays him with water from a pink flower attached to his suit. Jaden digs his claws into the fat clowns clothing and launches him out of the tent.
****RP!!!****

Mandi-75 degrees? You are so lucky. The temp. here is dropping like a rock. The cold doesn't bother me much, but I'm getting tired of it already.

Jackal-I don't think so.

Heather-I saw that game and I was about to buy it but I decided not to because it didn't have a lot of ship classes to choose from. Wouldn't be cool if they made a Star Trek version of Rebellion? Except it would be the Alpha quadrant against the Delta quadrant. I could even have stuff from Voyager. The possibilities are endless.

****RP****
All of a sudden everything was running in slow-motion and the world was spinning.
"Must have been sprayed with more than just water," Jaden said as he tried to keep from falling over. As he looked around he noticed that the tent looked rather odd. Though he couldn't tell it was because of what he was sprayed with or if the tent was really falling down. To be continued.
****RP!!!****
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 02:34:36 AM
IP: pm1-17.sma.silcom.com

<<Would you believe it was 75 degrees yesterday?>>
Yes I would..., I had to turn on the AC today I got soo freakin hot. I don't give a good godd**n if it is beginning to look alot like Christmas, it ain't feelin like it!!! Hell, I'm hot now..., but that's because.....
God, you people make me sick!
Is what I said in Wal-Mart today, I said it alittle bit louder than what I thought, and I almost got my butt kicked by a really big lady. I was like- No I said cranapple makes me limp..., she didn't buy it....
Anyway, it was just a funny situation. But the reason why I mention that is, I was standing in the line, right..., waiting to buy my crap, and the thought entered my head...., Do gargoyles get circumcised?
Jackal - [Jkal1127@aol.com]
Ga, Usa
Wednesday, December 9, 1998 12:39:00 AM
IP: spider-wd022.proxy.aol.com

Robert Frost's "stories"? I meant "poems".
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 10:57:25 PM
IP: ppp048.connect.ab.ca

Whoo-hoo! Christmas time! Just decorated the house for the season (including the exterior of the house... it's so c-c-cold out there...). I figured I'll dash off a couple replies to save time tomorrow morning.

MARY-SUING YOUR OWN CHARACTERS> I was tempted to do that with Becky, my lead in "Stolen Heart". I kinda fell in love with her, and was extremely annoyed with having to kill her. Actually, she doesn't exactly DIE, per se, but she is put out of the picture quite completely.

ROBERT FROST> Rules. I can't really look at his stories the same way after Mr. Leathem (prepare for a diatribe from Dan on our grade 9 English teacher) analyzed "The Road Not Taken" and "Stopping by Woods..." to pieces. He kinda forced his interpretations on us, which I didn't much appreciate. I still love Frost's stuff, though.

AIRWALKER> I think the problem was when you downloaded them. Re-save the pics, then try again.

***WARNING! ENGLISH LESSON AHEAD!***
ROBBY> Just curious: did your English teacher ever explain to you what an archetype is? Basically it's a recurring pattern throughout mythology, stories, folklore, poetry, etc.; basically a "genetic" story that's passed on through our DNA. Archetypes can be observed in virtually any text, even in the Bible. These include a disaster archetype (Noah's Ark and many others), a paradise archetype (Eden, the Greek Golden Age), a God-Teacher (Jesus, Prometheus), and some others I forget.

Gargoyles was filled with archetypical characters: the silent, brooding leader; the genius; the rebel; the wise elder no one really listens to; the villain with a lust for power (or immortality, or whatever); supremely "evil" beings; mad scientists; dozens more. Archetypical characters are easier to relate to, and are by no means clichéd or sterotypical, just familiar.

***ENGLISH LESSON OVER. YOU CAN WAKE UP NOW.***

DUMLAOX> I know how you feel... except I had a reason today.

COYOTE> Apology accepted. Besides, Canadian jokes are hilarious.

Q: How do you clear a swimming pool of Canadians?
A: Say "Could everyone please get out of the pool?"

Hehehe....

That's all 'til tomorrow. Sleep well, everyone! (I know I will).

** leaves to go to bed early **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 10:43:11 PM
IP: ppp048.connect.ab.ca

**RP!!**The screen lights up to reveal the fight continuing ... except for Coyote's party and Ravyn. Unfortunately, it appears that they have been immobilized; their feet are firmly planted into the earth below them.**

Uhh ... heh heh ... hi, guys. The good news is, Kyryn managed to shut off the earthquake projector in time to prevent Guod and the Masked Magician from succeeding. The bad news ... she wasn't quick enough to prevent the projector from liquefying the mud under our feet. So now ... we're kind of stuck.

<"Coyote, heads up! Trouble on your two!">

I see it. **tosses his crossbow to Ravyn, who fires repeatedly into the group of clowns. Coyote crouches down to pull out his gun.** Ahhhhh, CRAP!!

<"What?">

The dirt resolidified around my ankles, I can't pull my pantleg up. Hold 'em off, I've got to rip up my pants ... and make some replies. **END 1ST HALF RP!!**

$Kitainia: Once again, I bow to the wisdom of the RP Ref. And I won't be offline, but I will observe any pause the RP'ers feel is necessary.$

Patrick: Thank you. Now I know what my income tax return's going toward this year. :)

SJ: I'm listening to "Invasion Earth" right now. I'm not entirely sure about this one ... all you Dr. Who fans in here don't shoot me, but I never really could get into any British sci-fi (Dr. Who, Blake's 7, etc.).

Fire Storm: So, you lost your virginity, huh? ;) Hey, don't feel too bad, for about a week after Comedy Central showed that movie, I had nothing but the last half-hour's worth of music running through my head about once an hour (fortunately enough, it's probably the best songs in the flick).

Traveler: I get enough ... for a cat ...

Cyrway: Oh, couldn't you go easy on the "Fix Or Repair Dailies" sometime? Pleeeeeeease? And I'm not just saying this because this household owns one car from each of the Big Three (one Ford, one Dodge and one Cadillac).

Mandi: No ... "not right" is a man coming into my store this past Sunday (*December* 6th) wearing a short-sleeved shirt and a pair of Bermuda shorts ... considering this is MICHIGAN we're talking about!

New fights (oh boy!)

12: Ben begins channelling Pip Pumphandle, grabs Owen's stone hand and begins a long and tedious story about cheeseballs and Bob Barker. Winner: Ben Stein ("If you're smart enough ... fast enough ... and if you've got the guts ... *you* can Win Ben Stein's Money!" God, I love that show!)
13: Perot runs for president a third time. It's a mercy killing, really. Winnder: Duvall
14: Fieger's a bigot: Doyle's a bigot. The bigots consume each other in cannibalistic glory. Winner: draw.
15: BOOM! "Oh my God! They've killed Kenny!" "You bastards!" Winner: Coyote
16: Puck the fae thinks, "Hmmm, Canadians love hockey, don't they?" He then proceeds to turn Puck into ... well, a puck ... and give him to the Rangers. Winner: Puck the fae. (I sincerely apologize to all Canadians here ... )

Heather: I'll talk to ya. :)

Ari: Welcome, welcome to the madhouse, madhouse. (BTW, didn't you send me a WCC character?)

**RESUME RP!!**Coyote has now completely shredded the lower pant leg, finally reaching in and grabbing his .45.**

All right now, let's get *postal!!*

*Coyote fires shots into the crowd of clowns as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 09:38:55 PM
IP: modem104.i-is.com

Hello....yes I'm new posting here but I feel as if I've known you guys forever! Um, anyway...my thoughts on the fights...

1. Buffy vs. Demona. - Depends on whether or not they have weapons. If Demona's got her laser, Buffy doesn't stand a chance. If it's hand to hand, and Demona's not in her puny human form, it'd be close. Otherwise, Demona's toast. (And to the person who said ppl were choosing their faves, Demona IS my fave char, and I still think she'd lose UNLESS she had a gun or her real form.)

2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett. - Revenge of the twins! In normal form, it would be a tie--Puck based Owen off of Vogel, and wanted in fact to Out-Vogel him, didn't he? And it's not a Vogelish thing to fight...If he was Puck, Vogel is dead meat unless he knows about iron.

3. Methos vs. Macbeth. - Do they have their weapons? Neither one of them can die--unless MacBeth knows about the head-chopping thing, but Methos is also pretty rusty with the sword. Hand to hand, MacBeth would probably overpower him with sheer force--Methos is a skinny tall guy, and MacBeth is big and buff.

4. Fang vs. Catwoman. - Hmmm....She's got her whip and some insane ideas...he's got the Zapping power and the wings. Probably Fang.

5. Maeve vs. Madoc. - I don't know the characters that well, but Maeve sounds like she'd win.

6. Umbriel vs. Garlon. - No clue.

7. Goliath vs. Batman. - Goliath all the way! Batman isn't even a superhero, he's just a dude with some fancy gadgetry.

8. Ethan Hunt (from the Mission Impossible movie) vs. Matt. - Again, no clue.

9. Scully vs. Elisa. - Scully's an FBI agent, and they've got martial arts training....then again, Elisa's taken down Demona before. Pretty close, but Elisa would probably win.

10. Cagney vs. Garfield. - Unless Cagney dies from the sheer stupidity attack (Throw Odie at him!), he'd win over the fat cat.

11. Pinky vs. The Brain. - Pinky! The Brain would probably come up with some strange scheme and it would fail miserably, and Pinky would of course win.
Ari - [ariana_macl@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 09:32:59 PM
IP: pool022-max8.ds16-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

DumlaoX - I accessed the two pictures from Netscape. They came up. They are beautiful pictures. Then I try to save them to disk. They appear as if they save, but when I try to open the saved pictures from disk in Netscape after I disconnect, they don't come out. All I get is an empty square box.

Every other picture in the archive save to disks. I just have a problem with these two. Could it be something else? I do use Netscape to view these pictures.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 09:24:04 PM
IP: 190.new-york-36-37rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Patrick > Yes ! Thank you so much. That's what I have been told of what a Mary-Sue story is. Thank you.

And I got a new computer game ! "Star Trek : Starship Creator" ! I'm so happy ! I got a Sovergein-class starship that *I* named it the USS-Herrington.
You know Herringon , Holland. Where I was born ! I'm so happy ! And does anyone have a scanner because I can put bios of my own characters in this thing !

* hears the song "Angel" come on the radio and she snaps her fingers and she's gone . But she saids to you*..."Oh , I said thst I didn't like a story and you guys won't talk to me ?
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 09:11:17 PM
IP: 202-107-38.ipt.aol.com

Cliches> I'd consider Sevarius more like a play on a cliche; he's like a satire of mad scientists. As for the cliche of evil twins, "Gargoyles" does get bonus points for having the evil twins look different. Yes, the very thing we rolled our eyes at when we first saw it is actually a plus. It means no "Who's the real one?" situations.
Entity
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 08:30:25 PM
IP: ely-oh3-47.ix.netcom.com

By the way, relating to my earlier discussion of St. Gildas, I've got an article on him up on the Internet. It was actually a description of him for the Arthurian role-playing game "Pendragon" (a very good RPG, by the way, and one which I heartily recommend to everybody interested in both role-playing games and King Arthur), so it includes game stats, but you might like it anyway. Click on my name to get there.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 07:38:34 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-87.primary.net

Ever have one of those days where you just feel angry but for no reason at all? Yeah, that's what's happening to me today. Thank goodness I have lab next. If anyone pisses me off in there I can just douse them with chemicals :P

FIRE STORM-- Got the package yesterday. Thanx a billion for the kick ass job you did, especially with the packagin itself. Now my hard drive is more spacious than before :)

AIRWALKER-- Try viewing those pics you have trouble with in a web browser instead of double clicking them. If they show up in the browser, chances are that the pics were done with Paint Shop Pro, which for some odd reason doesn't like being double clicked on for use with another viewing program.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 07:21:27 PM
IP: dhcp65.oac-commons.ucla.edu

I've sometimes wondered, since learning of Roddy McDowall's passing, whether Snowball getting turned back into an ordinary hamster might have been due to the production team suspecting that Roddy wouldn't be around much longer.

I don't think that the gargoyles were that cliched. They developed beyond those simple definitions (Broadway as a gentle romantic and would-be detective rather than just an eating machine - and don't call him that in front of Angela! - for example). And the reporter in question was a gargoyle-hunter pretending to be a reporter, a much more complicated situation than that.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 07:12:39 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-87.primary.net

Did I say Bruce Allen. Sorry, I meant Ben Stein.
Doug
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:57:54 PM
IP: fac-b-c8.lib.utexas.edu

Todd: Ok, I'll try to leave them without names. Their part's going to be a little small anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem. Thanks for the tip.

Robby: Actually, Goliath is over a thousand years old chronologically, if one counts time in stone sleep. And Elisa wouldn't be the best person they could get if the talk show host wanted someone who was dating an older man. They could do better with Methos's latest mortal love interest, or even more so with my character Laura James (her boyfriend is about nine thousand!). Thanks for the laughs about what talk shows have unfortunately come to these days.

Pat Doyle was the evil Nazi mayoral candidate who kidnapped Alex in the TGC ep "Ransom." Fieger is Kevorkian's attorney, who also ran for governor of Michigan and lost. Wonder who Bruce Allen is.

JEB, Traveler: I've been having problems sending e-mail lately. So you probably didn't get what I sent, I apologize. I've gotten a new e-mail address, though, and it has been sent to you again via that one. Hope it works this time.

Later.
Doug
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:56:46 PM
IP: fac-b-c8.lib.utexas.edu

Stormy- But they _DID_ have cliches in the series. At the end there was a reporter determined to prove their existence... Every member of the clan is a bit of a cliche... Goliath is the typical leader, (except he DOES kick butt when hes pissed!) Broadway is always hungry, Lex is the smart one, Brooklyn is the thrill seeker, Hudson is the wise mentor (Seems a bit like Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello, Raphael, and Splinter to me...) Angela is a cliche Mary Sue... Then there's EVIL TWINS... (The worst one in the book!) And even mad scientists. (No offense to you or your dad SJ, but you are both kinda cliche...)

Poll- Might as well. I agree with pretty much everything said so far when it comes to deadly or non-deadly fights, so I'll throw a new spin on it. Who would go over better on a talk show. As host or guest is up to you.

Buffy/Demona- Demona, definatley. She comes from a dysfunctional family, has been betrayed, etc. etc. No contest there.

Preston/Owen- Owen, because he has a stone arm, a split personality and can do really cool magic tricks.

Methos/Macbeth- Hmm... Tie. They've both got about the same qualifications. Macbeth if Demona is on the same show.

Fang/Catwoman- Fang. He looks a lot more interesting, more talk-showish. And he had the perfect voice for it.

Maeve/Madoc- Madoc. He _DOES_ have a twin brother after all, and he seems to be in love with another woman, if the end of the latest story was the clue I think it was.

Umbriel/Garlon- Mouse boy, for obvious reasons.

Goliath/Batman- Hmm... Tie. Goliath has been betrayed, seen his entire clan destroyed, frozen in stone for 1000 years, has a daughter he never knew about, seeing another woman after a having alifemate, etc. etc. But Bats runs around in a bat costume with yound boys in green tights, when he could be enjoying his millions. Plus he saw his parents killed.

Ethan Hunt/Matt- Matt. He's just got so much more to talk about. (Namely, anything that ever happened on the show.)

Scully/Elisa- Same thing. Elisa wins hands down. Scully has a lot of past, but Elisa's gets way wierder. And she dating a member of a different species, who's twice her age. (Well, he is. Goliath is like, 60 chronologically after all.)

Cagney/Garfield- Garfield can talk. He wins.

Pinky/Brain- Depends on the type of talk show, but since the pair has actually been on a few in past episodes... Pinky would probably get this though, since everyone likes "Big Ears" and can't understand "Noodlenoggin". But then, Pinky wouldn't leave Brain, so it would end up being Snowball with the talk show. No wait, he got turned into a normal hampster again in that 3 parter...

The next entries are newer, so I'll comment on who would win the fight after who gets the talkshow...

Ben Stein/Owen- Ben already HAS a show, and an... Interesting relationship with his sidekick, Jimmy Kimmel. But then again, Owen still has what he had going for him earlier... Tough call.
In a fight, Owen for blackbelt and stone fist.

Ross Perot/Duval- Can't say either one would keep a talk show for long... Not sure who would win a fight.

Fieger/Pat Doyle- No clue who they are. Sorry.

Kenny/Coyote- Kenny, as he has the humor that most of America likes, assuming you can understand what he's saying. Coyote kind has one track speeches...
In a fight, Coyote no question. He has weapons, and only gets killed AFTER the gargs gang up on him. Kenny doesn't have nearly enough strength to win a fight like this, and besides, Kenny pretty much dies on impact.

Man Machine/Coldsteel- Coldsteel would get the talk show because he once had three personalities, and was in love with one of them.
In battle? Coldsteel.

Puck/Puck- Oh come on, in battle or talk show, the magic fae wins every time! But then again, the Alpha Flight Puck is a funny looking Midget...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:40:21 PM
IP: spider-wb052.proxy.aol.com

Amber - Maybe you can answer this question for me. I saved the Fox picture from Offers to disk but when I tried to view the saved picture my computer tells me that I have a Read Error and that it is not a valid image. I've only had this problem with this picture and the one from the Scottish Play. Is the problem with my computer or with the pictures? Every other picture works, they save perfectly to disk except for these two. What could the problem be?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:38:51 PM
IP: 216.new-york-26-27rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

*walks in with an anti-fanfare (i.e. none)*

These poll answers are quite interesting. :) Keep 'em coming!

Kitania & Doug> No, I haven't received your responses. Could you resend? (Glad I didn't insult y'all with my edits, as I was worried I'd done. <:) BTW, I'll get to Guod and Asil tonight, and I find these cards you both have been making to be pretty darn kewl. :)

Robert Frost> "Fire and Ice" and "The Road Not Taken," and several others, earn him a place in my favorite poets.

PR> I liked Zedd, and Goldar was way more interesting while serving him. (Mostly because I could share his disgust with Rita's incompetence. ;) But when they brought Rita back and made Zedd and her fall in love, that pretty much ruined any liking I had for the show.

Ravyn> You won't see this 'til Sunday, but I hope you enjoy your trip! :)

Traveler> Thanks. :) I'm glad that worked. :) (Was one of my goals.)

Todd> Thanks for the info on the saints. :)
Nicodemus> Thanks for the info on Set. :) (So that's where `Sutekh` came from, thought he was separate...)

Cyrway> You get my mail? <:)
Oh, and love Gargoyles Fanfic Deathmatch so far. :) (That's where the Fairline pic went...)

Mandi> I _like_ freakish warm weather in winter, so there. :P ;)
(Freakish warm weather in summer, there's a whole different animal.)

Stormy> I did notice (and appreciate) the general lack of cliched storylines in Gargoyles (at least up to TGC). :)
Sidenote- other cliche storylines include evil twins (well.. okay, guess they did that one), the-main-characters-get-taken-down-so-a-minor-character-or-characters-can-shine (Transformers, Thundercats, Real Ghostbusters), the main character(s) turn evil (Transformers, Darkwing Duck), and the mirror alternate
universe (Darkwing Duck, Real Ghostbusters, Captain N: The Game Master).
Any others anyone can think of?

SYL!
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:37:41 PM
IP: 208-19-214.ipt.aol.com

DOUG - Actually, I'd always felt that the gargoyles at Camelot would have been nameless ones, the way that the Wyvern gargs were (except for Goliath) before the Big Sleep. Let's face it, gargoyles being nameless is a traditional part of their culture, and yet one that's been ignored throughout much of the series and in fanfic; it'd be kind of fun to go back to seeing some gargoyles around who don't have personal names (and King Arthur's reign is some time before the days of Prince Malcolm).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:28:24 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-87.primary.net

Mary Sues> I'm guilty of the Mary Sue complex, not in my present stories, but when I first got started. I think part of it is, I liked my characters too much. It's the double-edge sword of writing. you can do anything you want, but your also responsible for it as well. When I realized I had to bring pain and suffering into my stories, that's when things started changing. The stories got dimension and the characters got deeper. It doesn't mean I'll gleeful put my characters through the wringer (Not all the time) But its an evolution.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 05:40:10 PM
IP: 134.71.30.108

I'd just like to say that my dad DOES have a libido, otherwise I wouldn't be here! ;)

But as for him raping Angela...Oooooooooooh. I did NOT need that thought in my mind.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 05:03:45 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Sorry for the double post. I wanted everyone to know I have my description now. I'll be using the Clan Camelot in Pendragon Season 1's flashbacks, the leader the female falconlike one. Now if I could just find her a name.
Doug
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 05:02:53 PM
IP: hil-c45-072-vty132.as.wcom.net

Stormy> You're forgetting about "Possession"...

Tournament> When we begin concluding that Goliath and Batman would stop and talk things out, I think we've lost the point. These are just supposed to be mindless, "what-if's". At least, that's how I see them.

Demona losing to Buffy? You say Buffy's taken down bigger, nastier creatures than Demona, and that Demona, in turn, hasn't even been able to knock off one little NY cop. But that comparison is out of context... If Elisa and Demona (in her gargoyle form) were put into a ring together, there's no way Elisa would be coming back out. Maybe Buffy can get the upper hand by ambushing her enemy, knowing their weakness (e.g. stake in the heart), or a loophole to use, or some other prior info. or practice. But drag Demona and Buffy out of their beds in the middle of the night and throw them into a ring together, neither knowing anything of the other yet having an urge to slay each other, Demona would be the only one re-emerging, IMO.
Entity
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 04:46:42 PM
IP: ely-oh1-20.ix.netcom.com

Thanks go out to those of you who commented on the 'Offers' pics! ^_^ It was really a pleasure to work with Missy on the story. :D

Airwalker> I maintain the art site, just so you know. ;) Anyhoo, both pictures are there and are working fine (I just checked). If that happens again, try reloading or restarting your browser. :)
Amber
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 04:19:46 PM
IP: ppp46.ljci.com

**RP!** Harvey Dingaling has been killed by Traveler. His brother Chuck rushes to continue aiming the earthquake projector at the scattering good guys as Traveler leaps down to join them. All of a sudden, the Gremlins cut the power to the circus and everything winks out, including the quake machine. The quake machine also has a charge backlash that zaps Chuck with over ninety thousand volts, he goes up in smoke. The audience is shocked enough by the power going out and the earthquake's machine explosion to come out of their paralysis. "It's those guys who fought that huge battle at Six Flags the other day!" someone shouts. "They got rid of those monsters that were destroying the city!" someone else cries. Janice Ripowski holds up her badge and says, "FBI business! This circus was planning to take over the country by hypnotizing all of you. We're here to arrest them. You better all get out of this tent and call the police." Most of the audience get up and walk out, but some stay, saying they want to see the action. As Janice and the others keep advising them to leave, or look for the circus preformers who have vanished in the sudden confusion and power outage, Doug turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP**

Firestorm: Geez, corporatize this place with warnings up to hooraa. Fine, from now on any paragraph or sentence (of mine) that starts and ends with a $ sign contains RP comments. And I might want to read those risque stories you were talking about.

$Christmas Holidays: I'm planning to be gone from the 19th to the 29th. Maybe we'll put the RP on hold for that, I don't know. Depends on how much of our party will also be elsewhere.$

$Coyote: Don't be mad at Kitainia for calling you on that continuity lack. If this RP gets confusing in terms of plot or character, it will stop being fun for us fast. That's what I think, anyway. Oh well, at least your post was worked in. I liked your commentary on the fights.$

Ordell: Bored? Go read fanfiction! That's what I do.

Robby: By Christmas? Good. Those fics will be a great present for us. :) About Owen, he's also supposed to be more efficient than Vogel. So he would probably be a better fighter.

JEB: Yes, I got your critiques, and I fixed the cards based on them. Thanks for the response. I sent you my changes via e-mail, have you gotten them? If not, maybe I need to post them in here. Don't worry, I'm not ignoring you.

Wilek: Glad you put your site up. And as I said before, good fics!

Rvayn: We'll miss you. Big time. Good luck in the game.

SJ: Jackal and Hyena were beat up by Fox something fierce at the end of "Broadway Goes to Hollywood." But they did escape with their lives. From there, what happens to them depends on your fanfic universe. And I'll also miss you.

Traveler: Welcome back! Yes I did get your e-mail. And I responded to it. Did you get the reply? Glad you enjoyed the fic. $Thanks for your RP help, but you do need to get your facts straight about the battle of the Alamo. And why would I want to kill you? <grin>$

Patrick Toman: Self-insertion type characters can be Mary Sues, if they're too perfect. Most that I've read are like that. But there are also a lot of self-insertion characters out there that are Mary Sues by no means. So I stay with the too-perfect definition rather than the self-insertion one.

Todd: Again, thanks for the King Arthur and Saints info. I enjoyed reading all of it, even if he was a "myth."

Deuce: I knew I couldn't do it either, that's why I didn't. Plus the scene worked better the way it was. Glad you read and enjoyed my fic.

Nicodemus: Thanks for the great Set info. Hmm, red hair. I didn't know he had that. And he was also called Seth? Interesting! (If you don't know what I'm talking about, look for a character named Seth in my fanfic who is also full of dangerous unpredictable power. But of course, he's a blonde and the Cain in my work has black hair and sea-green eyes instead of them being redheads. <grin>)

<Red Hair: It has traditionally been associated with a number of things: Psychic powers, witchcraft, tempers, the devil, various gods. It's one of those things that was usually rare enough to mark someone as different in society. > Another legend in the gargs universe! Now I know why Willow's a redhead. And where Demona gets the temper. And why Fox and Alex have magic (they're both redheads). That might not have anything to do with it, but it is interesting to see. In my own fanfic, the redhead (Laura) is a really good fighter and will practice minor witchcraft later, as evidenced by what Virgil said of her in "Through the Ages." She was originally based on a redhead girl I know named Catherine, too. Wonder what secrets she was hiding.

Batya: Thanks for your fight comments. I totally agree that people looking good doesn't make them fight well. Read Christine's "Three of a Kind" to get clear evidence of this. :)

Mandi: 75 degrees? That's odd.

Stormy: I agree with you about original fanfic characters having pieces of the authors or people they know in them. All mine do, it'd be hard for me to write them without. :) The most bits of me are probably in Agony and Seth, Kitainia's are in Laura and Changeling. (No, I'm not going to get the other M-F pair of these together like I have the one.) I too liked that Gargoyles would not fall back on the old cliches. They can get so tiresome.

Deuce again: Villains? Authors put themselves in villains? Hmm. I don't think I do that with my villains. I have nowhere near the genius of Thailog, or the criminal mindset and family hatred of the Rose. Nor the developing madness of Micheal Canmore, and the trying to escape going insane and failing it bigtime. But I do know the future events of my saga and used that knowledge to create the villain Silvan. So he could work for this. And Mackovic, he controls the world's extremist groups, a lot of whom I'm very worried about. So he could also apply. He's also a schemer, like me. But his loyalty to "The Master" (everyone will eventually find out who that is) and bootlicking I do not do, so I guess he's a so-so villain-based-on-me. Interesting commentary on the writer's mind that they make villains out of themselves.

Happy Mary Day everyone! And Merry Christmas!

Cyrway: Loved your Ultimate Fanfic Celebrity DeathMatch skits. I was just telling Stormy the other day that we ought to have an Ultimate Illuminati Assassin UFCDM. Her Wagner vs. my Ares O'Neil.

StephenRS: None of my characters are enough like me to be an Insert-Character. I will raise my hand for making characters that find love with another of my original characters, though. I've done that for Agony and Laura, Lillith and Sycamore, Hadrian and Lucretia, Cain and Ashe (that's Agony times three, even if the latter two were brief); and Johnny and Kara, and I probably will do it for some others in the future. Changeling, of course, has an unoriginal character that's nevertheless in my fanfic universe planned for her mate (no, it's not anyone from the original Gargoyles series).

Speaking of fanfic, I've got the outline for my Camelot Timedancer fic done. But I need a name for the leader of Camelot's Gargoyle clan. Could Todd or anybody in here who knows Arthurian legend give me some help? No, I don't also have a description.

That's all for now, bye!
**RP AGAIN** Ninety percent of the audience has left, the rest is staying to watch and enjoy the battle. It includes a pretty cherub-faced girl with cinamon-brown hair and features similar to Cordelia Chase dressed in jeans and a T-shirt, and her freckle-faced apelike (in face and gangliness) younger brother who is dressed similarly. Doug's cousins Colleen and Shannon (who live in San Antonio) wave to him as he motions to them to stay back. His Uncle Shannon Sr. nods (an older version of young Shannon), saying he will keep them out of danger. Said danger quickly arrives as the tent is flooded in magical light and the Masked Magician appears beside the great cats cage. Laughing, he says once again that the Ravens will never leave her alive. Then he opens the cage and releases all the lions and tigers within. A huge group of circus preformers and animals (including elephants, trick horses and their riders, acrobats, dogs, Karnov and his gorillas, midgets, mimes, freaks, monkeys, bears, and so on) also enter the circus, led by Ringmaster Daley. After them comes a small car driven by a familiar clown. "Hey Black Ravens!!!" Binky screams as he hops out. "You're going to die for ruining our plans!!" A lot of clowns, there seems no end to their number and variety, begin coming out of the car after him. The preformers and animals rush to attack Doug and those with him, them all getting ready for battle. The big top floor soon disintegrates into a huge battle that Shannon Sr. has the biggest trouble keeping his kids from rushing to help the Ravens win. As the screen fades out, Doug rushes towards the tent's main pole, wanting to get the high ground in this battle. To be continued next post! **END RP!**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 04:18:02 PM
IP: hil-c45-072-vty132.as.wcom.net

RE: MARY-SUE CHARACTERS: To be honest, I never used the term when in reguards to my fics, although I can see where the term applies. Thing is, I don't think any of my characters fall into that catagory . . . at least not now, but I've got an up-and-comer in the future that just might be between a Mary-Sue and an Insert-Character (my term for a character that is too much like the author to be a coincidence), but he's not going to be perfect. In fact (***SPOILER***) he's going to alienate himself from the clan before the end of his first story. And, no he doesn't steal Elisa away or take Angela for a mate . . . but he does find love with another of my original characters. (Wonder how many Fic authors have done that?!? Show of hands???)

THE MATCHUPS: Okay, I'll take a stab at this!

Demona vs. Buffy - I'd have to call that a draw. Buffy's taken down some deadly critters, and While Demona might be immortal, I'm sure Buffy's mentor or some other source would find a loophole in in to put her away for good (I refuse to believe that Dem's immortality can be that pat!)

Preston vs. Owen: Once again, a draw, but only if they fight as they are. If Owen was allowed to turn into Puck, then no contest, unless Vogel knows something about the Fey to counter it. After all, the man schemed to crash Fortress 2 with Fox, and he did have a darn good method to do it.

Methos vs. MacBeth: No clue to Methos, so this one's up in the air.

Fang vs. Catwoman: Close match, after all, Selina has her whip and acrobat skills, but Fang would just need to get in one good ZAP! Winner: Fang.

Maeve vs. Madoc: Again, close match, but Madoc would win over sheer ruthlessness if it was a contest over the Throne of Avalon.

Umbriel vs. Garlon: Garlon would have the edge, but Umbriel would somehow come from behind and nail the Mouse-Man. Of course, that's my opinion.

Goliath vs. Batman: At first, clearly a draw, since even without his toys Bats still can hold his own in a fight. But I agree with some that they'd eventually stop and talk things out.

Ethan Hunt vs. Matt: In a straight fight, once again, a draw. Ethan may have had a lot of toys to help him, but when it comes to fisticuffs, they'd be dead even in ability.

Scully vs. Elisa: Elisa all the way. Scully can fight, but Elisa has the experience of fighting nearly every single day.

Cagney vs. Garfield: No comment.

Pinky vs. The Brain: <looks at the original poster> Are you trying to be funny??? No comment.

Here's a match from me:

Man-Machine vs. Coldsteel

and just to be silly:

Puck (from Marvel's Alpha Flight) vs. Puck


Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 03:57:45 PM
IP: ppp-143.icehouse.net

Green Baron> Eh, considering the geography of the Biblical stories you shouldn't be picturing any of those people with red hair.

And I don't believe that an 'Angela raped by Sevarius' background would make for a good Nancy Brown story. I tend to recognize her style by now, and I doubt that even someone of her skill, could make this work. (Feel free to correct me, though, if you think you could.)

I think that noone could make this work. Such an important event would have important repercussion for Angela and I doubt anyone could do it without it seeming gratuitous or trivialising such an important subject. But anyone's free to try ofcourse.

And concerning the new additions to the poll... I don't even know who half of these guys are.

Todd and Nicodemus> Thanks for the info. It was... interesting to say the least.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 03:47:06 PM
IP: athe530-a032.otenet.gr

**Green Baron walks in singing and wearing blue**

Hello everyone. Today is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, and since it's a Mary day, that's why I'm wearing blue.

Deuce> I doubt Lent would be commercialized. No one really cares for a period of self-sacrifice if they could avoid it. Of course, the Lenten season makes Mardi Gras even more special. Last blow out party before fifty days of fasting and sacrifice, but that's just my opinion.

As for Angela being raped, I had a Creativity Demon where Sevarius raped Angela when she was unconicous during Monsters. A few others disagreed with my rheory since they don't see Sevarius with a libido. If that did happen, that might make a great Nancy Brown tale.

Firestorm> Angela does seem too perfect, but I like her. I of course think of ways to make her less perfect, like making her a Whitehouse intern :)

Kyryn> It's too bad he dosen't post in here. I guess I'm just a sucker for controversy, though I imagine we might have similar view on the matter. I'm just guessing, because you strike me as more on the conservative side.

Red Hair> I've always had a different view of it, though I am Scottish and Irish,a nd I was little I thought the Virgin Mary had red hair, because my mother is a red head. I am more on the pro-red hair side, but I am incredibly biased, being an ethnic Celt and all. I don't see Cain or Judas with red hair. Perosnally, I think a lot of it was started by the English to find excuses for raping and killing the Irish, and not in that order.

Batya> Hey! I haven't seen you post in a while. I hope all is going well with your wedding preparations. I also hope you and Alex can make the Gathering, too.

Mandi> New Orleans has been in the eighties for the past month. I do agree this is wierd.

Death match results

1. Buffy vs. Demona: Demona would taunt her and after Buffy staked her, Demona would revive and kill Buffy.
2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett: Preston would, because he it would be so surprising. If Vogel threatened alex, the story would be different.
3. Methos vs. Macbeth: Methos would use his cunning to distract MacBeth and run. he would find some way of doing the battle in the daytime, so he can capture Demona and use her as a shield. If macBeth aims for Methos and gets Demona, Methos would win.
4. Fang vs. Catwoman: He'd let Catwoman win, because it probably turns him on. Kinky!!
5. Maeve vs. Madoc: I'll go with Batya on this one. Never heard you say "damn" before.
6. Umbriel vs. Garlon: Garlon, though Madoc may be pissed.
7. Goliath vs. Batman: Batman would bide his time until sunrise.
8. Ethan Hunt (from the Mission Impossible movie) vs. Matt: Matt would probably have soem help from unknown sources and win.
9. Scully vs. Elisa: Elisa would win. She can fight.
10. Cagney vs. Garfield: Neither, Attila would kick both their butts :) But seriously, Cagney would start clawing until Garfield just sat on him or sicked Nermal on Cagney
11. Pinky vs. The Brain: Pinky of course

Here are some new ones:
Ben Stein vs Owen
Ross Perot vs Duvall
Fieger vs Pat Doyle from TGC
Kenny McCormick vs Coyote

Todd> Thanks for the info. You're right. The saints you mentioned aren't in my Catholic.net directories. Maybe in the Gargoyles Universe, they are recognized saints. I was also wondering about Archbishop Dunstan in Dark Ages. The guy is a saint, so I hope he dosen't do anything too wrong. If he does, hopefully he'll repent his actions later.

Nicodemus> Thanks for the Set info. I always thought of Set as a giant Cobra, and the Conan cartoon didn't help Set's PR any.

**Green Baron leaves still singing**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Ave Ave Ave Maria! Ave Ave Maria
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 03:26:17 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Brief replies....

MANDI> 75 degrees?! Grrr....

MORE MARY SUE TALK> In my upcoming fic, I've based the character of Alex on myself (at least personality-wise), yet he is in NO way a Mary-Sue. I agree w/ Stormy that most authors put something of themselves into all characters, even/especially villians.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 01:43:57 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

**RP**
Kyryn, Bandit and the gremlins drive up to the circus. She sees the Ravens and the earthquake projector through an open tent flap. "Uh oh! We need to shut things down quick!" As they head for the circus power generator, a bunch of goons come running out to stop them. Bandit and the gremlins pull out various weapons and start blasting. Kyryn grins and guns the cycle up a nearby ramp, launching it over the goons, landing and sliding it to a stop in front of the generator. The gremlins quickly cut the power as Bandit mows down oncoming goons. Kyryn turns to post**END 1ST HALF RP**

Cyrway> Gargs Deathmatch - You are a twisted individual. I love it! One of these days I'll have to read your fics. BTW, I also hate Fords with a vengeance. I once had the car from hell. It was an '86 Mercury Sable (Ford Taurus, by another name).

Red Hair> It has traditionally been associated with a number of things: Psychic powers, witchcraft, tempers, the devil, various gods. It's one of those things that was usually rare enough to mark someone as different in society.

Todd> Thanks for the series on the Saints. I never knew about a lot of that, but I'm always glad to increase my knowledge.

Going back the poll momentarily> Most people are assuming that Batman wouldn't be able to beat Goliath without his toys. You are forgetting that Batman is a martial artist beyond Xanatos or anyone elses caliber. Also, a lot depends on the location of battle. If it's in an arena style, Goliath probably has the upper hand. If it's on the street, Bats can still use a lot of surroundings, but so can Goliath - even match until someone gets lucky. I do however agree that one, or both, would probably stop and talk it out before things got too far.

Stormy> I agree, most characters have a little bit of the author in them. I was talking with a couple of friends who are published authors about this a while back and they agreed that you have to be able to a least identify with something about a character in order to get inside and write a believable character.

**2ND HALF RP**
Kyryn has pulled her swords and the gremlins have produced various weapons. Having trashed the generator and the lines connecting to city power, they are now battling their way towards the big top.**END RP**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 01:26:15 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Doug: Frigg, how could I have forgot? Thanks for the comments! "Wagner's Vendetta" was my first attempt at writing a comic story--usually, my fics are much darker. The blame for this one goes on Todd Jensen and Spike, who got me thinking about a parallel between Wagner and Vinnie...two total opposites...add in the "body switch" cliche, and...

Interestingly enough....notice how "GARGOYLES" always avoided falling back on the old cliches? So many cartoons have an ep where characters switch bodies (Thundercats, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck all had these kinds of eps). Also ones where characters were shrunk to mouse size (Talespin, Wild West C.O.W.-Boys of Moo Mesa) (These are the examples I have off the top of my head)
Stormy - [<--different pic from last post!!!]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 01:18:58 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Patrick: The reason for your confusion is that sometimes female authors, especially those just starting out and those a little starstruck with the lead male, will create a Mary Sue character based on an idealized version of themselves--in effect, a version of themselves who can fit into the fantasy world, fall in love with the hero and kick all the villains' arses.

A character based on a real person, even on the author, is not necessarily a Mary Sue if the author avoids super-idealizing her/him and gives her some flaws--in effect, avoids fanfic godmoding.

Most of an author's characters will likely bear SOME resemblance to the author, in that (at least from my POV) it's REALLY hard to write a character you can't identify with in any way or can't understand their point of view. All of my characters have pieces of me or of people I know in them...

That's another reason my Aashlee flirts with Mary Sue-ism...there's a bit in common between her and me. Then again, as I wrote, I found that the character I have most in common with is Wagner...how scary is THAT?
Stormy
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 01:15:15 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

I don't believe this! Would you believe it was 75 degrees yesterday? 75 DEGREES!! It's DECEMBER! This is not right!

Okay, my $.02 on the survey:

Buffy vs. Demona: (hand-to-hand only) By day, Buffy. Elisa wiped the floor with Demona in human form, so a Slayer wouldn't have much of a problem. At night, probably Demona. However, I think it has a lot to do in this case with how much each one knows about the other: if Demona thinks Buffy's a "typical" California teenager going in, she'll have a hard time, and if Buffy either mistakes her for a demon or doesn't know about the immortality, it won't be easy for her. If weapons are added, all bets are off.
Preston vs. Owen: We don't know about Preston's fighting ability, but assuming that Preston doesn't have the martial arts ability (Owen has Xanatos to spar with), in hand-to-hand Owen would win--more experience, and more martial arts ability. But then again, that's assuming Preston's the weaker fighter.
Methos vs. Macbeth: If we're talking a simple sword-fight, Methos does have much more experience than Macbeth.
Fang vs. Catwoman: I say Catwoman. Why? She could charm him off guard, and while he's got the strength and the electricity, she could make up for it in speed and agility. If he tries to get her from the air, though, it might not turn out that way.
Maeve vs. Madoc: I really can't say. Maeve seems to be the more cunning of the two this season, but I don't know exactly how well matched their powers are. If Madoc is at Oberon's level, and Maeve is a step down, I'd have to say Madoc, but I don't know.
Umbriel vs. Garlon: Forget the iron weakness. Garlon's much more ruthless.
Goliath vs. Batman: I agree with Batya that one of them would try to talk it out. Sparring, though, I think Goliath would win if Batman didn't use any of his toys. ;)
Ethan Hunt vs. Matt: Didn't like the movie, but Ethan just because he has more combat training.
Scully vs. Elisa: Elisa, but it would be close.
Cagney vs. Garfield: If it was over food, Garfield.
Pinky vs. the Brain: Brain, unless Pinky's incredible talent for thwarting Brain's plans by accident kicks in.

Todd, Nicodemus> Thanks for the input. I don't think I can reconcile the fic with TGS anyway, but I was curious.

All right, this week is insane. That's all, gotta go...
Mandi Ohlin
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 01:14:07 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Just For The Heck Of It: Survey answers!

I've been reading the answers to this survey, and I'm noticing a disturbing trend: a lot of people are choosing the winner according to which character they like best. (Just 'cause you like her hair doesn't make her a better fighter!) And did I actually see people in this room who doesn't know who Owen Burnett, Preston Vogel, Matt, Madoc and Maeve are? *blink*

1. Buffy vs. Demona: Buffy. She's taken out worse villains than Demona before, while (as has been pointed out) Demona can't even take out one New York cop. Closer fight if Buffy doesn't have her friends backing her up. _Much_ closer fight if Demona comes back for a rematch after getting killed once. Demona only wins if she gets a gun and Buffy doesn't.
2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett: Have we seen any indication at all that Vogel practices martial arts? Of course, we haven't seen much of him. Insufficient info. (Unless Owen is allowed to use Puck-powers, in which case no contest.)
3. Methos vs. Macbeth: Not familiar with Methos, can't say.
4. Fang vs. Catwoman: Fang, if he catches her off guard. Otherwise fairly even contest.
5. Maeve vs. Madoc: Maeve. But it would be damn close.
6. Umbriel vs. Garlon: Garlon. Umbriel wouldn't have a chance.
7. Goliath vs. Batman: An actual _fight_ to the death wouldn't happen -- one of them would try to talk and stop the fight. But assuming they were sparring, I'd say a draw. Goliath wins only if Batman isn't allowed to use any of his Wonderful Toys.
8. Ethan Hunt (from the Mission Impossible movie) vs. Matt: Don't know Ethan Hunt, can't say.
9. Scully vs. Elisa: Elisa, but it wouldn't be easy. We've seen Scully kick butt.
10. Cagney vs. Garfield: Draw, ending with both of them badly scratched. Everyone's saying Garfield's too fat and lazy to fight...but picture, if you will, that Cagney tries to steal Garfield's food dish. Oh, the felinity!
11. Pinky vs. The Brain: Either Pinky would win through sheer stupid luck, or without ever realizing there was a fight, as others have said...or else, unable to break his loyalty to Brain, Pinky would tearfully surrender.


Kudos to Tas and Missy on "Offers". *happy sigh* I do love a good tearjerker. (As for where Titania was during the funeral, all I can say is: stay tuned.)

Clear skies, high winds.
Batya "The Toon" Levin
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 12:32:39 PM
IP: usr28-dialup41.mix2.boston.cw.net

NICODEMUS - Come to think of it, in medieval and Renaissance Europe, Cain and Judas Iscariot were also imagined as having red hair; that was definitely in Demona's home territory, and I think that she'd definitely have a few things to say about it.

Angela getting raped? I don't even want to think about the consequences of that one. Actually, I've got the feeling that Demona might well have mixed feelings over it. On the one hand, the horror for what happened to her daughter. On the other hand, the possibility of exploiting this incident to get Angela to hate humans.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 12:19:33 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-83.primary.net

I'm always in the mood for Macbeth...

Traveler: I can't wait! Stormy's doing some editting too...and Mercedes...and probably Whit too...though I haven't seen hide nor hair of him lately...Actually, Mercedes had commented that it was my best fic to date...personally, I feel that No Mouth still reigns surpreme...I thought AA was a little forced...

Coyote: Yes. I hate Fords with a vengance...though I garuntee I didn't vote...infact, Blitz (Bumford) voted for the Fairline...and Avery...he hid from me for a week....no offense to Spike, but, well, he was my editor, he was very loyal to Spike's work...

BLITZ: Hey, I voted for Kat!
ME: Oh, yeah, Bumford...we'll send Crim up against Samson.

There was going to be a UFFDM catagory with infants/hatchlings/drooling little monsters, but it kinda fizzled...

Spike: I got the pic in the mail! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! *big hugz.* Look in your mailbox...though Portland tends to be slow during the Christmas season.

Well, Back to work! *PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 12:09:04 PM
IP: gcolor.com

Happy belated B-day to you Rahsaan! (Please accept my apology for being so late: I'd forgotten we had our birthdays on the same day.)

Just finished reading "Offers", and I was rather impressed by the result. (The outline for this episode had been finalized before I'd left TGS, and I hadn't thought too much of it at the time. But it turned out quite well, and I apologize to the TGS staff for any negative comments I might have made about it.) Everyone's already said what needed to be said about it, so I won't make any further comments other than I thought it was good.

On another note, to clear up an earlier discussion:

Set> Okay, anyone who knows anything about Egyptian mythology knows the story of Set, and how he killed his own brother, Osiris, to gain the throne of Egypt. And that Osiris' son, Horus, revenged himself upon Set and regained the throne of Egypt. In a lot of these stories, Set's portrayed as an incarnation of evil. The truth (such as can be found in ancient mythologies) is a little more complicated.

Set (Seth, Sutekh) _did_ have a lot of nasty habits. If I remember correctly, some of those included arrogance, excessive bragging, and an overdeveloped lust for women (it is said that the only food he ever ate was lettuce - believed by ancient Egyptians to be an aphrodisiac). But he was also a powerful warrior, a cunning individual (he seems to have had a streak of the trickster in him), and definitely one of Ra's champions against the forces of darkness (other than Ra himself, he's the only one of the Egyptian deities who ever defeated Apep/Apophis, the Egyptian version of the Devil).

Simply put, Set was a god of power, but of dangerous, unpredictable power. (I trust the power of the lightning bolt to destroy my enemies; I just don't trust the blast radius of said lightning bolt.) As such, he was respected to a degree (his was one of the oldest religions in Egypt, and he was something of a patron to the dynasty of Ramses the Great) but also was someone who was never called lightly.

Where the part about him being evil turned up was very late in Egypt's history, when the culture was under the domination of the Ptolemaic Greeks. Set had always been associated with foreign lands and peoples (as well as storms and other nasty things that came in from the deserts outside of Egypt), and by the later part of ancient Egypt's history, the Egyptians had become downright xenophobic (understandable considering they were from a proud culture and that most foreign rulers had been perfectly content to oppress the Egyptian masses). So it was rather inevitable that they pinned this on Set (and I can imagine some of the other priests quickly doing some historical rewriting to shift blame of their country's sorry state to some god other than their own).

One other thing to mention about Set: he had red hair and red eyes, and it was thought that people with red hair had something of Set in them. (In later times, it meant that such people were not looked upon kindly by the Egyptians.) I wonder what Demona would say about that?
Nicodemus - [whalens@jps.net]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 11:40:16 AM
IP: 209-63-247-57.smf.jps.net

Not much today....

DAN> *gives him another smack* Be glad this one's virtual.

DOUG> I read "Through the Ages", primarily FOR the Brooklyn-Jesus scene. I liked it quite a bit. What I was talking about was a little more interaction; a brief discussion or something. Of course, that would be hard as heck to write, and I know =I= couldn't do it....

FIRESTORM> You wrote an Angela rape story? I did, too, but it was much too dark (I thought) to publish. Not because of the crime, or the effects, but because of what Demona did when she found out. *grimace* I can't believe I wrote that....

That should be all for now. Bye!

** leaves, with an odd feeling coming over him... **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Uh-oh... dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, lots of dragons, more dragons, etc., etc., etc....
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 10:12:02 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

DumlaoX - I just went to the season 2 picture archives and the pictures for the Scottish Play and the one of Fox in Offers don't work. Every time I click on them all I get is a blank empty square.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 08:40:22 AM
IP: 99.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

FOURTH AND FINAL SAINT'S LIFE - The Life of St. Gildas. St. Gildas was one of the many sons of a northern chieftain named Caw, and like the other saints, entered the Church to become a monk. One of his older brothers, Hueil, was a notorious brigand that troubled the north with his burning, raiding, and looting before Arthur captured and executed him. Gildas was furious at this, and became a bitter enemy of Arthur henceforth. (He seems to have overdone the family loyalty bit, considering that it blinded him to his brother's criminal behavior).

Later on, in the same Saint's Life, Guinevere was kidnapped by Prince Melwas of the Summer Country (Somerset), who took her away to his stronghold in the Glass Isles (Glastonbury). By that time, Gildas was living in the local monastery. When Arthur and his army showed up to besiege Melwas in his fortress, Gildas and the Abbot of Glastonbury persuaded Arthur and Melwas to make peace; Melwas freed Guinevere in exchange for Arthur agreeing not to prosecute him any further. Both men then bestowed much land upon the monastery of Glastonbury (probably that part got added to the story to justify some land claims that the Glastonbury monks were making a few centuries later :). The story has since become a part of the traditional medieval romances that Arthur is most familiar to us in, although here Melwas is called Meleagant or Meliagaunce, and Lancelot rescues Guinevere and slays Meleagant in single combat with no mention of any monks serving as impartial third party mediators. (The earliest version of this revamped "Melwas/Meleagant" story, BTW, "Lancelot, or the Knight of the Cart", by Chretien de Troyes, is, as far as we know, the work that originated the concept of Lancelot and Guinevere being lovers).

Gildas was also the author of "De Excidio Britanniae", the only contemporary eyewitness account that we have of Britain in the period traditionally associated with Arthur (the late 5th and early 6th centuries). It's mostly a work denouncing the poor moral standards of his contemporaries, but contains a brief summary of British history including the Saxon invasions that followed the end of the Roman occupation. Gildas doesn't mention Arthur anywhere in his work (the traditional story is that it's more of his grudge with Hueil) but he does mention Ambrosius Aurelianus as a noteworthy Romano-British leader (he appears as Arthur's uncle and Uther Pendragon's older brother in the legends) and the victory over the Saxons at Mount Badon (which later legend has assigned to Arthur). An alternate theory to why Gildas didn't mention Arthur, incidentally, is that Arthur was a purely mythical figure rather than a historical one; of course, that theory obviously doesn't apply to the TGS Universe.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 07:19:56 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-140.primary.net

Maybe I'm a bit confused but...

I thought a "Mary Sue" was a character through which the author inserts him/herself into the story... i.e., a character with a similar personality, reactions, motivations, appearance, and/or name as the author.

I see Angela being called a "Mary Sue," though, with the implied definition that it means "perfect goody-two shoes character." I was just wondering if someone could clear this up.

Not that I don't take issue with the generalization of Angela as some sort of Mary Poppins - and maybe that is the Mary everyone's really thinking of (Mary Janes are shoes, BTW, whoever mentioned those :P). But I'll come back to that later. :)
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:14:39 AM
IP: 203-204-121.ipt.aol.com

**RP WARNING OF THE DAY: IF YOU CAN'T READ THIS YOU NEED GLASSES**
Scene: Inside the Big Top just as the Ravens start to scatter. *The Ravens begin to scramble, and the earthquake projector hums on....Then a high pitched *thhwip!----splat!* is heard followed by some insane sounding manicial laughter from the stands.* Traveler*waving at them*: Hey everybody! I was wondering where you all went to after that little incedent with the exploding mansion. Doug: Traveler! What the @$@$*& are you doing here! Let alone in the stands laughing your head off at us nearly being blown away?! Traveler: Well...*trying to stifle his hysterics* After I dug myself out from the wreakage I couldn't find anyone. So I took off in my Bird of Prey, flew around for awhile looking for you guys. Saw some interesting stuff to. I never knew that the city replays the battle of the Alamo as it really happened. Coyote: Wait-a-minute, what do you mean "as it really happened"? There were Borg-a-fied giant Jappenese movie monsters, giant anime style mecha, borg drones, religious fundmentalists, two tanks, and us!!! Traveler*annoyed*: Yea, like I said, how it really happened. Although you were missing a few historical figures...but anyway...To make a long story short: got board, saw the Big Top, and since I had not been to a circius in quite a long time, decided to treat myself. So far the show has been excelent! Doug: Traveler, first before I kill you, if you thought this is a show, with us in it no less, then why did you kill Harvey Dingaling with whatever that thing you've got is? Traveler: What, never heard of audience participation with a Gauss cannon? Ravyn: Ummm, Traveler, this is'nt a show, they really did just try to kill us. Traveler: Oh, well then, sorry. *jumps down from the stands to join their party. Then reaches in his coat and pulls out one of his now infamous flame-throwers.* Here ya-go Ravyn, you look like someone who could use some firepower, litterly. Everyone: *growns at the use of the very bad pun* One other thing I think I should point out; I'm guessing its a bad thing that the earthquake projector is still charging? Everyone again: Uh-oh... Scene fades out.
**END OF THE RP. NO YOU DON'T GET A WARNING. <Why> BECAUSE IT'S THE END, THAT'S IT, NO MORE, FINETO, FINISHED, DONE, ETC....**

I'm baaccckkkk...... AH! HA! HA! HA! *Dragons* *hehehe* Thank you for all your condolences on my computing problems, which I have (hopefully) resolved. BTW, about this Celebrity Deathmatch poll that's going around, *CLICK* on my name. I'm supprised nobody mentioned this yet, oohhh, wait I just checked and its been updated>:) Go there NOW. Uh-oh...this looks like it could be a monster.

Peter's Laws: The Creed of the Sociopathic Obsessive Compulsive.
4.) Start at the top then work your way up.

****WARNING! TGS EPISODE SPOILERS AHEAD! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!****
OooOoohhh....A.K.A "The Death of Renard". I like, I like. Took an indepth look at several of the main characters at their emotional cores while they were having to deal with at least one stress. For Xanatos it was dealing with the letter he received from himself, worrying about the comming war, and comforting his wife after the death of her father, not to mention dealing with that death himself. Loved that line: "But it never hurts to have a backup plan." Wonder where Titaina was though. It will be interesting to see her reaction to this turn of events. The temptation of Owen/Puck to the "Dark Side" was also an interesting exchange. Could the Death of Renard have had an effect on why Owen/Puck chose as he did? Taking the integrety Renard stood for as he lived into account as he made his decision? Just got a look at the pic for that episode, first one's alright, but I really like the imagery(sp?) the second one gives the reader.
****THIS IS THE ENDING, THE ENDING, THE ENDING OF THE EPISODE SPOILERS. SORRY, LISTENING TO THE DOORS. *HEHEHE* ****

>Gun Laws- I like the feel of a nice warm UZI under my pillow at night. And I should have the right to do so at my own risk.

>Doug Elder- Did you get my e-mail concerning your latest fanfic release?

>I think Fire Storm- Regarding my Mp3's, I have about 170-180, in other words about 12 hours worth:). And I hope to be getting a CD-RW soon.>:)

>Cotoye the Bando- New machine huh? I'm guessing you haven't gotten very much sleep since you powered it up, have you?

My answers to the poll (as if it was to the death):

1.) Buffy vs. Demona- Easy one, Demona would tear her and her annoying little human friends to shreads.

2.)Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett- Owen, he's got the stone fist and an Nth degree black belt. Although Vogel could try and call in some "cybots" to pound Owen's @$$. Hmmm....

3.)Methos vs. Macbeth- If it wasn't to the death I'd have to say Methos for the sheer fact that for 400 years he rode as Death of the Four Horsemen, and *then* went another few thousand years to get up to present day. But Macbeth can only be killed by you know who.

4.)Fang vs. Catwoman- Catwoman easily.

5.) Maeve vs. Madoc- Madoc, he's the more powerful of the two, and has what's known as the "Mad man's edge".

6.) Umbriel vs. Garlon- If there's any iron around I can see Umbriel getting in a lucky shot and killing him. But otherwise Garlon has him outmatched in fighting skill easily. Power though, is an unknown, since we really don't yet know how powerful Umbriel is.

7.) Goliath vs. Batman- Bats, easily. He's fought guy's stronger than Goliath many a time. Plus he's got all of those wonderful toys.>:)

8.) Ethan Hunt (from the Mission Impossible movie) vs. Matt- Hmmm...U.S. trained super spy vs. FBI trained New York Detective. Ethan Hunt. Duh.

9.) Scully vs. Elisa- Oh please, Scully may be FBI but with all the *things* Elisa has gone up against she'd be able to kick Scully's butt from one end of the ring to the other the second the bell rang. Make it even worse: Have Scully tell Elisa that her boyfriend is a mythical creature that doesn't really exist, and that it is imposible to incorprate animal DNA strains into humans.>:)

10.) Cagney vs. Garfield- Their's a banquet for the winners after the matches. Garfield sicks Odie after Cagney. Garfield gives the catering four stars.

11.) Pinky vs. The Brain- Pinky would win without realising it. Then spend the rest of the night trying to help Brain out of the dried concrete. (Don't ask.)

>Wilek Nereus- Just read your new fic, and for some reason I can see that one scene with you, Brook, and Ravyn all plastered very well in my minds eye*hehehehe*. Hmmm...

>JEB- I like the new page layout. Much easier to navigate through the site.

>Cyrway- I'll be e-mailing my comments about A.A. within a few days. BTW, I just saw the updated page, "Ha, ha! The Ford crashed and burned!"

>Dear TGS Staff:
Dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, WHERE ARE THE DRAGONS AND THE DRAGON KING!!!!! I WANT TO KNOW!!! COME ON JUST A HINT AT WHEN AN EPISODE WITH THEM WILL MAKE IT'S APPERENCE. I'LL GIVE YOU CANDY!!! PLEASE!!!! I'M DYING HERE!!!
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 06:01:11 AM
IP: 174-60-154.ipt.aol.com

YES! People DO realize that Angela is too perfect!
There is hope for you all yet! <G>
Personally, I added flaws to her for my stories. Makes her interesting. It seems that most of the independent fan-fic writers add something to her. Hell, even TGS adds magic to her!

Rp'ing crap: Can you rp'ers put a
<RP COMMENT WARNING!>
or something like that when commenting about yours or others rp's? Some of us just totally skip reading RP's, and it gets annoying to read a comment about a RP when you just don't have the time.

SJ: You have every right to shudder. <VEG>
"Sweet Tranvestite from Trans-SEXUAL Transylvania" has been running though my head all day! Will the madness ever end!
It is worse than Aqua's "Barbie Girl"! Someone mentions that song, and BOOM! It is in my head! What is even worse, sometimes it crosses over! (MC Hammer's Hammer 'Barbie Girl' Time.)

That also reminded me... I REALLY should re-write my unpublished story with a gay Brooklyn and Angela...
And the Angela rape story (Thanks TGS 'Equality!')
But it is hard to think of a story with Broadway going bad. Everyone else is easy to picture, but not him. Almost a Mary
Sue, but he has enough flaws in him to not characterize him as one.
Go figure.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, December 8, 1998 02:48:06 AM
IP: dhcp154.visitus.net

Heck, I'm going to sleep early tonight, so I'll throw in todays countdown a little early...
29-30 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!

Hmm, not too much to comment on today, I guess I'll elaborate on why I think Vogel would beat Owen. Remember when Puck explained WHY he was Owen, he said he had used Vogel as the model, and then, he made the Owen personality even more boring and stiff. Which means any boring traits of Vogel's would have been amplified into the Owen personality, and that any exciting traits would have been watered down into boring. And since Owen's fighting abilities are pretty good, and not boring, that indicates something. In comparison to Vogel, Owen's fighting skills have to be BORING and DULL. Which means, despite the fact we haven't see Vogel do it, he must be one heck of a fighter to make Owen's skills seem dull in comparison. Granted, Owen has the stone arm, but Vogels skills MUST be incredible! Hmm, this might be a good thing to ask Greg about...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 11:16:51 PM
IP: spider-ti073.proxy.aol.com

**RP START
Sevarius Jr. and Frankie are guarding the team's back as the proceed through the Dark Star...
"Is that a scuttler I hear?
PAUSE RP**

Forgive me, but I might not be posting too much this week (won't you miss me?). I'm currently caught in the hell that is FINALS.

Wilek: Yes, actually, I do have some very smart eggplants. But the celery is as dumb as a rock. Never trust them.

Buffy: Okay, so in tomorrow's episode, Willow's a Vampire. Cool! Finally, she gets to play a bad girl....my VCR will be set to record!

HELP!: I'm trying to do some research for a fic, and I need a little help. I never saw the Goliath Chronicles, so I need to know what happened to Jackal and Hyena at the end of "Broadway goes to Hollywood." Can I get a little help?

Firestorm: I'm glad you liked the Rocky Horror Picture Show. As for any possible fic ideas you got from it....I shudder to think.

For you Sci-Fi Fans: Here in the D.C. area, they're showing the mini-series "Invasion Earth" tomorrow night and through Thursday on the Sci-Fi channel. I'm gonna be checking it out, thought maybe some of you might want to as well. Plus, I think NBC's version of "The Tempest" is on next Sunday! Ah, finally some good TV!

Spike: Unfortunately for me, that Mad Scientist test is the only exam I pass with flying colors...

Ravyn: Bye! Have a good trip! We'll miss ya!

POLLS!!! I LOVE POLLS!!!

1.Buffy vs. Demona. Buffy's cute AND she's a good fighter, but Demona's got the experience, and eventually the win.

2. Owen vs. Vogel. Despite being more wooden than a pine forest, Owen is so much cooler. I hit with that stone hand and Vogel's out like light.

3. Macbeth vs. Methos. This one's real tough. Both are immortal, and Methos is even older and more experienced than Macbeth, I do believe. But ultimately, Macbeth can only be killed by Demmie, and a good decap will do Methos in, so if this was to the death, Mac would get the win.

4.Fang vs. Catwoman. I think, after being locked up so long in that cage, Fang would be so horny for another Catwoman he'd just surrender at first sight.

5.Madoc vs. Maeve. I like Madoc. Just 'cause.

6.Garlon vs. Umbriel. Umbriel.

7.Ethan vs. Matt. As much as I love the guy, I don't picture Matt winnin' this one. Ethan's like, a superspy. Matt, at his best, was just a Mulder-esque FBI agent.

8.Elisa vs. Scully. Scully. Just cause I got a thing for redheads.

9.Cagney vs. Garfield. Assuming that Garfield would actually get off his lazy behind and fight, Cagney would kick a little tail.

10. Goliath vs. Batman. Ah! Finally, a match worthy of the main event! Let me preface this by saying that my love for the Gargoyles show was only preceded by my love for Batman!
So, I think that Batman would win this fight. Because:

a. He's got a cool car.
b. He's got all those wonderful toys.
c. Prepubescent boy in little green tights to help him (By the way, I was sooooo glad that the current Robin no longer wears those. I mean, the old costume....that did NOT belong in comics).
d. Batman's faced insanely strong villains before, namely Killer Croc, Amygdala, Bane, etc...
e. Just as Goliath would begin making some long-winded, boring, tedious, repetitive, needless philosophical speech on the meaning of modern heroics, Batman would sucker punch his ass with a Batarang. Your Winner, ladies and gents!

***RESUME RP***
Suddenly, two Borg step out in front of SJ and Frankie.
[<We are Borg. You will be assimilated.>]
"The heck I will."
[<Resistance is futile.>]
<Resist this.> Frankie says, then he turns a rocket launcher on them, and blows them into toaster parts.
SJ's a little upset. "Well, thank you, Mr. Ahnuld Frankenegger, but I wanted to see if they had Jeri Ryan's Phone Number!!!!!"
***END RP**


Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 11:15:14 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Ravyn: Good luck, we'll miss ya!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 10:51:05 PM
IP: modem77.i-is.com

Hey, everyone. I've got some good news and some bad news.

The good news is (YAY!!!) I get to go along on the basketball tournament trip to New Mexico!!!!! Yay!!!!

The bad news :( is that I'll miss all you guys in here until next Sunday! :( I guess I'm out of the RP for now; however you all want to handle it is fine. And Kitainia, I plan on being offline for a week from the 18th to Christmas Eve for the holidays, too, just in case you were wondering.

This is my last post before I have to leave, so I just wanna say I'll miss all of you! **Ravyn hugs Coyote, Doug, Kitainia, Starsinger, and anyone else in the room before heading out to pack her bags.** Bye! :)
Ravyn Maza
Monday, December 7, 1998 10:44:09 PM
IP: 207.204.224.73

Don't mean to interrupt the RPs or the commenting on "Offers," but I have an announcement.

:: trumpets sound ::

Gargoyles World Tour: Dallas / Gathering 1999 is pleased to announce that we now have our hotel and are accepting registrations. Please visit our web site for complete info.

http://www.region3.com/gwt/

Or click on my name.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. :)
Patrick Toman
Monday, December 7, 1998 10:11:39 PM
IP: 173-220-211.ipt.aol.com

Thought I'd join in on the who would win discussion.
Buffy vs. Demona: Going by stats, I'd have to go with Buffy. Demona's died a couple of times, Buffy only once. Plus, Demona can't get rid of one NY cop. A slayer will be out of her league.
Owen v. Vogel: Going with Vogel. I like the long shots.
MacBeth v. Methos: MacBeth. Only Demona can kill him, whereas Methos only needs to lose a little off the top, like everything above the neck.
Fang v. Catwoman: Catwoman would win, but Fang would enjoy it. That's all I'm going to say on that.
Madoc v. Maeve: Madoc. Whose ever nastiest usually leads and that's not Maeve.
Garlon v. Umbriel: Umbriel. All he has to do is teleport Garlon to a cat kennel and he'd be a drool bag of neurosis.
Goliath v. Batman: Batman by a hairsbreath. Again stats, Batman's taken on Croc, Clay-Face, Bane and a whole slew of villians bigger and stronger than he. He could handle Goliath. To Goliath's credit, he's taken on gods, robots and genetic mutations. So this would be ten-round, main event material.
Ethan v. Matt: Matt. Ethan didn't strike me as much of a fighter, just lucky
Elisa v. Scully: Scully. I believe that thhe FBI trains their agents better than NYPD. True, Elisa's fought off goons, and crazed gargoyles, while Scully has yet to find the 'Truth' (That Mulder wants to get horizontal with you babe)
Cagney v. Garfield: Put a plate of Lasanga in the ring and watch the fur fly. Garfield
Pinky v. The Brain: Pinky. He has a higher tolerance for pain, bordering on maschoistic.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, December 7, 1998 10:06:39 PM
IP: 134.71.30.108

Kitainia> <<Just out of curiosity, how many people in here are planning to be offline for the Christmas holidays? I want to know so I'll know if we'll need to pause the RP.>> Well, I'm not sure at this point, but I'll probably be off for a few days starting the 24th.
Wilek Nereus
Monday, December 7, 1998 09:38:19 PM
IP: tnt-2-34-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

***T. J. Veil appears from the shadows***

***Spoilers for 'Offers'***
Another good episode from TGS. It takes a lot of guts to kill off a character. Usually you don't see things like this in the middle of a season of anything. I can only think of three shows that have killed off major characters, even if they were supporting characters, except at the start or end of a season. I also think that this was a long time in coming. The first time I saw Renard I thought he would die before the end of the season. After the episode with the Golem, I figured he would die in his next appearance, but it didn't happen. This is just one way that TGS keeps with reality.
*** End Episode Spoilers ***

Well, here's my picks for the ultimate fight challenge. ;-)
Buffy vs. Demona > I'll pick Buffy. Of course, Demona would probably come back for revenge, but the Slayer reigns supreme.
Vogel vs. Owen > It's gotta be Owen. He's just to good.
Methos vs. Macbeth > Methos. No question. Macbeth's biggest handicap will be his sense of honor. Methos has no such worries and will take him down in the end.
Fang vs. Catwoman > Fang hits on her. She kicks his butt.
Maeve vs. Madoc > Maeve is to cunning. She wins.
Umbriel vs. Garlon > Umbriel grabs some iron and squishes the rat.
Goliath vs. Batman > It's a tough struggle, but Goliath comes out on top.
Ethan vs. Matt > Ethan.
Scully vs. Elisa > Elisa kicks butt.
Cagney vs. Garfield > Cagney. No doubt here. Garfield is too lazy to fight.
Pinky vs. Brain > Brain sets up an elaborate scheme and triggers the trap himself by accident. Pinky wins without even knowing there was a fight.

***T. J. Veil fades into the shadows.***
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 09:23:16 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

RP Side note: Just before the lights came up, Masked Magician disspelled our invisibility. I forgot to say that.

DumlaoX: Great! Hope the CR gets more pics real soon.

Dan: Nice Internet profile. I don't like the funhouse mirror effect they have on graphics or I'd post one of myself. Oh well.
Kitainia
Monday, December 7, 1998 09:20:37 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zom-vty32.as.wcom.net

Note: This post's RP occurs before that in Coyote's last post.

**RP!** "You're right, Jaden," says Doug as they pass through an area of carnival rides mounted on trucks, game booths, and concessions stands on their way to the big top. "This could be a trap. Lathrop, what does our official handbook say about trap avoidance?"
"Rule Number One," answers the wizard. "Don't eat the food, don't drink the water, don't play any games."
"Right!" Doug nods. "Tricia, you better get Jammer away from that sno-cone booth." She does so, much to Jammer's chagrin. Doug then glances around the area. "Hmm. Looks like everyone's inside the big top tent or heading towards there. That's where the trap must be. I'll bet they spring it as soon as we go inside."
"Rule Number Two," Lathrop reads from the book. "Always have a trap of your own to counter the enemy's."
"Alright!" Doug grins. "I think we can set one up. Let's see, they have a huge carnival midway here, a freak show, a haunted house, a lot of trailers and vehicles, a circus train, and the big top itself. Before we go in, we better set up a few backup measures in case we need to make a quick escape. Kitainia, you tell everyone in the CR what's happening. Everyone else, let's go around the circus camp and try to set up a few remote-control bombs, some delayed blast fireballs, you get the idea." The Ravens and bikers all nod and head off after Doug, Jaden and Coyote's team also going along to help. Kitainia turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP!**

Well, if you want to know what's happening, read the above. Basically, our plan is to set up all these traps, then go inside the big top and see what their trap is. Once we've triggered it, we'll need to destroy the circus and/or flee as fast as we can. The things we're setting up should help. <grin>

Seen the pictures now. They look great! Even if Fox does look kinda anime-style, IMO.

Renard: I'll miss him, too, but then they say the best time to go away is when you'll leave your audience wanting more. Like Doug said, as long as he's in a fanfic universe somewhere, Renard will live on!

Doug: I said I was sorry, okay? It won't happen again. At least, I'll try not to let it.

Todd: Thanks for all the entertaining and interesting saints info.

Wilek: Zedd and Goldar were the only PR characters I ever liked. The latter was, in my opinion, a really good thug. We're not really incorporating them into the RP except for laughs, don't worry. As soon as they appear, they'll all get beat up.

Aris: Ethan Hunt was the hero of the Mission Impossible movie. And just because two people are on the same side doesn't mean they wouldn't fight or at least get into constant disagreement. Witness Brooklyn and Sata. They're both good guys, and she's knocked him out. (Literally!) The twins fight often, too. And those are just two examples.

Auburn Red: You know those characters in stories who are usually female, every other good guy likes them, they always trash the bad guys royally, they almost never make mistakes, they're sweet and innocent, and so on, plus they're often annoying in the extreme? That's a Mary Sue!

Wilek again: Yeah, your site is up now! Loved the latest Pinky and the Brain fic.

Robby: Okay, how would Vogel be able to beat Owen? I can't see how he would, so I'm dying to know. And I'm also looking forward to reading your fanfics.

Capricorns: Okay, so we Leos are Shap's foot soldiers, eh? Should have suspected it from a paladin. <grin> Libras, though, maybe we're all Elena's troops. What does it matter? One way or another, we still all control our own worlds.

JEB: Yes, we got your critiques. Doug responded to them and fixed the cards. Did you get his replies? Yes, I know Gemini's not a Mary Sue. That was a dumb unresearched comment I made. Sorry again. And yes, these fights are to the defeat, not the death.

Thanks to everyone who commented on the fights. I too would pay to see them. Remember, everyone, it's not like any of these fights will happen. They're just hypothetical. So please ignore realistic chances of the two characters fighting in your responses. My picks for winners are Demona, Owen, Macbeth, Catwoman, Maeve, Garlon, Batman, Ethan, Elisa, Cagney, and Pinky.

Kyryn: I too like Robert Frost. Glad you're coming to help us at the circus. Those Gremlins should also be a big help. I suggest you have them cut the power first.

Tonight's RP baddie Overpower Card: Asil. (I thought I had better do this one, since she is my evil clone.)
Stats: Energy 6, Fighting 7, Strength 5, Intellect 6.
Specials (*=OPD): BFG* (yes, it's the Doom gun, Asil's favorite weapon. Acts as a Level 9 Strength or Energy attack, may only be blocked by a defensive special); Deception (attack on Asil made on a teammate of her choice, who may defend); Army of Thugs (Acts as a level 5 Energy, Strength, Fighting, or Intellect attack); Tactics Expertise (level 6 Intellect attack); Kitainia's Evil Clone (Asil may play any of Kitainia's specials for remainder of battle, except Motorcycle Rush, Mafia Connections, and Doug's SO); Withdraw (remove Asil from battle this turn, and deduct 2 permanent record hits).

Just out of curiosity, how many people in here are planning to be offline for the Christmas holidays? I want to know so I'll know if we'll need to pause the RP.

Coyote: Um, sorry, but I must protest your last RP post. Let's not forget, Masked Magician was planning to hypnotize us into serving him, not destroy us all! And he couldn't have assimilated the whole audience, not without creating a huge commotion we would have noticed and rushed to prevent. He wouldn't even start his hypnotism until we got inside the big top so he could try and get us, too. You obviously need to scroll down and read his plans. I'm sorry, but as RP ref, I must note the crime of failed continuity. The penalty: Your last RP post is disregarded by the rest of us. But don't worry, no hard feelings. In fact, I'm about to work your post in (in a slightly different manner) below!

Okay, that's all for now!
**RP AGAIN** The Ravens, etc. get back together, having set up all their explosives and other traps. "Okay," Doug nods as Lathrop casts 'improved invisibility' and 'see invisible objects' spells on them all. "Into the big top!" The whole group heads down the midway, and enters the big top. Ringmaster Daley has just finished announcing the Masked Magician's hypnotism preformance. "For my first trick," the Magician laughs, "which I shall of course explain later how it was done, I shall simultaneously hypnotize everyone here. Look into the spiral of wonders!" He pulls a sheet off a screen and just about everyone in the audience stares into the spiral pattern onto it, their eyes looking eager or skeptical. The Ravens and co. wisely look away, and ready their weapons. "Obey me!" the Magician suddenly cries, and the audience does not seem to respond. The Ravens take the opportunity to advance to the center of the tent.
Everyone looks around as they head there, wondering what is going on with this situation. Buick is walking close to Coyote's side, whimpering. "It'll be all right, Buick," Coyote says, pulling out his crossbow. "Everything'll be fine." "But if they all get hypnotized, you know for sure we're gonna be given an @$$-kicking," says Ravyn. "Yeah, and I always come prepared," Coyote replies. "I was a Life Scout, y'know." He lifts up one pant leg to show a backup concealed .45 pistol, tightly clamped around his calf muscle with a tough leather strap. "Nice hardware ..." Ravyn grins.
The group finally finds its way to the center of the circus floor. Everyone looks around, suspiciously, at the paralyzed people and the Masked Magician's continued shouts. "Why aren't they doing anything?" asks Coyote. "This is *not* good." "LADIEEES AND GENTLEMEN! CHILDREN OF ALL AGES!" Daley suddenly cracks his whip and cries. "WE ARE PROUD TO PRESENT OUR MAIN ATTRACTION! DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CENTER RING AND WATCH THE HYPNOTISM AND THEN THE PITIFUL ESCAPE ATTEMPTS OF ... THE BLACK RAVENS!!"
The Masked Magician turns his screen towards our heros, only to have it blown away by a shotgun blast from Doug. Nothing seems to change with the audience's expressions. "You've destroyed my invention!" Masked Magician raves. "But you won't escape here alive!" The lights come completely up, revealing that the Ravens are looking almost directly into the barrel of a large earthquake projector gun. Harvey Dingaling, one of the circus owners, is standing at the controls. And the entire audience is still not reacting. The Ravens begin to scramble, and the earthquake projector hums on, as the screen winks off. To be continued. **END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 09:11:31 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zom-vty32.as.wcom.net

D'OH!! I mentioned my AOL IM access, then forgot to give my name (for those who didn't catch it): CoyoteBndo.

Leos and Capricorns, re footsoldiers: You're all footsoldiers. Everybody knows that the Libras rule the world!! BWAH-HA-HAH-HAAAAAHHH!!

**composes self*

Sorry, but I wish I was in on the great Libra Conspiracy. I qualify, after all.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, December 7, 1998 08:57:39 PM
IP: modem64.i-is.com

**RP**
Kyryn and Bandit have stopped by the side of the road. They are busy talking to the captive gremlins. Kyryn takes time out to post.
**END 1ST HALF RP**

I just finished Offers. Wow...

***SPOILERS***
Death stories are always emotional. The writers dealt with it very well, especially the ranging emotions of those closest to the deceased. "The Living Years" was the most 'appropriate' music choice. *tears*. I always cry at that song, having known too many troubled parent/child relationships in my life (friends - not my own - I get along great with my folks).
I liked the fact that Owen declined Madoc's 'gift'. It adds to the strength and integrity of his character. I also love the Robert Frost reference-- 'He had promises to keep.' 'Stopping by the Woods on a Snowy Evening' is one of my two favorite poems, the other being 'The Road Not Taken', which also could have been appropriate to the circumstance, although not quite the same time of year. Actually, lines from 'Road Not Taken' would also work with Xanatos and his offer.
*l* - I loved the way Owen and Xanatos danced around different versions of the same problem. Conversations like that are always fun.
***END SPOILERS***

Wilek> The line that you referred to, and I thanked you for, was: "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"-- taken from Aliens.

Poll:

1)Buffy vs. Demona - Demona all the way.
2)Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett - Owen Burnett.
3)Methos vs. Macbeth - Macbeth for actual fighting experience and gadgetry.
4)Fang vs. Catwoman - *l* Catwoman. Fang hasn't got the brains to look beyond his hormones.
5)Maeve vs. Madoc - Madoc for sheer ruthlessness
6)Umbriel vs. Garlon - Garlon, he's got way more experience, including dealing with iron wielding foes.
7)Goliath vs. Batman - I'll bet on Batman. He's got a lot more ingenuity. Sorry, I've been a Batman fan for many many years.
8)Ethan Hunt vs. Matt - This is a hard one, but I'll give it to Matt on the basis of being a good 'street' fighter.
9)Scully vs. Elisa - Elisa, she's got way more 'street' experience than Scully
10)Cagney vs. Garfield. Cagney'll win if he can manage to keep Garfield from sitting on him
11)Pinky vs. Brain - Pinky will win out of sheer accidental stupidity

BTW, I've got the 1st part of a fic completed and am looking for proofreaders/commenters/beta-testers. Let me know and I'll e-mail it to you.

**SECOND HALF RP**
"So you guys all got stuck here when the door to your demension closed? And you went after computers and the net because it was similiar to home? Hmm... If I can send you home can you help me out with some programming problems?"
The gremlins nod eagerly and Kyryn motions to Bandit to open the tubes. They gather around whispering about Borgs, circuitry, assimilation and several other things.
Kyryn looks at the time and says, "Shoot! We were supposed to join the others at the circus! Let's go!"
She and Bandit head for the circus with a motorcycle full of gremlins.**END RP**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Monday, December 7, 1998 08:28:07 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

**RP!!**The screen lights up to reveal the whole group walking into the center of the circus tent. Everyone is looking around, wondering why they have been escorted into this situation. Buick is walking close to Coyote's side, whimpering.**

It'll be all right, Buick. Everything'll be fine.

<"But you know for sure we're gonna be given an @$$-kicking.">

Yeah, and I always come prepared. I was a Life Scout, y'know. **lifts up one pant leg to show Ravyn his concealed .45 pistol, tightly clamped around his calf muscle with a tough leather strap.**

<"Nice hardware ...">

Thanks. And before we get too far into this mess, let's make some replies. **END 1ST HALF RP!!**

**EPISODE SPOILERS FOR "OFFERS"**
A touching episode, if I ever read one. Having read (and written) enough close, personal deaths in my own work and others', this episode touched me above everything else, maybe because Fox was always the rebellious child and wound up regretting it when it was much too late. And I have to ask ... who is the Mike + The Mechanics fan, or is "The Living Years" so well-known by now that you didn't have to be a fan to feel it was appropriate for that particular funeral? It was touching.
BTW, this death was almost as shocking as one that affected me almost as equally; anyone in here familiar with the novel "Flight of the Intruder," the death I refer to in this one is Ford and Boxman getting shot down. Anyone who is unfamiliar; Boxman (handle, not name) was pretty much, up until this point, the comic relief of the book, with his constant talk of conquests in foreign ports and his lifelong dream to visit this "ultimate whorehouse" in Singapore (i.e. every waking moment, he lived for sex.). When he gets shot down (the plane explodes, killing both pilot and BN simultaneously), it's a big shock to the system. Renard's passing was a nearly equal shock to mine.
**SPOILER'S GONE. SHE WENT THAT-A-WAY, ROBIN!!**

Winners of the fights:
1. Demona taunts the puny human. Too late, she finds a stake in her heart. Winner: Buffy.
2. Vogel and Owen begin a long discussion on the benefits and drawbacks of comprehensive lichen breeding. Both die of boredom. Winner: Draw.
3. SLICE! "There can be only one." Winner: Methos
4. Fang gets too friendly. Catwoman shows him what she did to Prometheus (not the fae). Winner: Catwoman.
5. Madoc left the toilet seat up. Uh oh! Winner: Maeve
6. **no comment**
7. Batman spots Goliath and doesn't want someone horning in on his territory. About that time, Goliath picks him up by his ears. Winner: Goliath
8. Ethan and Matt whine about how much they've been screwed by various conspiracies. Both die of annoyance. Winner: draw.
9. Scully: "There's a logical explanation for ... oh ... my ... God ..." Elisa: "Dana? Hey, get an ambulance!" Winner: Elisa.
10. Cagney gets mad. Garfield sits on him. Winner: Garfield (sory, Starsinger.).
11. Pinky was elected President. 'Nuff said. Winner: Pinky.

Wilek: Way to go, garg, put that page up for everybody! And I'm not just saying that because you have my artwork at the top; it's a great page.

ICQ: Haven't had the pleasure yet. Just have AOL IM. Anybody else wanna IM me? I want to get a *huge* buddy list! ;)

**RP!!**The group finally finds its way to the center of the circus floor. Everyone looks around, suspiciously.**

This is *not* good.

<"LADIEEES AND GENTLEMEN! CHILDREN OF ALL AGES! WE ARE PROUD TO PRESENT OUR MAIN ATTRACTION! DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CENTER RING AND WATCH THE PITIFUL ESCAPE ATTEMPTS OF ... THE BLACK RAVENS!!">

The lights come completely up, revealing that the Ravens are looking almost directly into the barrel of Guod's earthquake projector. The Masked Magician is standing at the controls. And the entire audience has been assimilated. The Ravens begin to scramble, and the earthquake projector hums on, as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, December 7, 1998 08:15:58 PM
IP: modem64.i-is.com

My own comments to the various fights queries.

1. Buffy vs. Demona: Demona would probably win, I'm afraid. Which means that we'd all better hope that she never goes to Sunnydale (which has enough problems to worry about already, what with all the vampires and other Hellmouth-attracted critters).

2. Owen vs. Preston: Owen, obviously.

3. Macbeth vs. Methos: I'm not familiar enough with "Highlander" to be able to answer this.

4. Fang vs. Catwoman: Catwoman; Fang's too much of a coward and a loudmouth to have any real hope of winning.

5. Madoc vs. Maeve: This is a moot point, actually; those two are partners who get along very well, and aren't at all likely to go up against each other.

6. Umbriel vs. Garlon: Probably Garlon; he's more experienced and a lot more ruthless.

7. Goliath vs. Batman: That's a hard one, but Batman's got the technology on his side, and so could pull off a victory.

8. Ethan vs. Matt: I don't know Ethan, so I can't answer this one.

9. Elisa vs. Scully: Elisa.

10. Cagney vs. Garfield: Probably Cagney, unless somebody tells Garfield that the winner gets a big plate of lasagna.

11. Pinky vs. Brain: Maybe Brain, given that Pinky is far less inclined towards violence. (One word, though: Pinky may be stupid, but it's not so much his stupidity that botches Brain's take-over-the-world plans as Brain's arrogance).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 7, 1998 08:13:29 PM
IP: pn15-ppp-177.primary.net

****Short RP!!!****
Jaden makes his way to Doug and says "Um can you say 'Walking in a trap'?" "These guys got to have something planned for us...any ideas on what they might do?" Screen fades out.
****RP!!!****

I'm making this short because I have a night class tonight (rrrrrrr). About the new episode I can only say...Does anyone need a tissue? I almost expected to see Titania.

Wilek Nereus-Leos are foot soldiers? I think not!

Deuce-What's wrong with ICQ? I have and I think it's great.
Sorry to hear about your grounding...I know what that's like.

1. Demona v. Buffy-Demona has over a thousand years of experience so Demona for sure.
2. Owen v. Vogel-Owen just needs to get Vogels suit dirty and he'd have a heart-attack. Plus he has that fist.
3.Macbeth v. Methos-Simple...Macbeth won't be using a sword.
4.Fang v. Catwoman-Fang would never win. All he would do is make a joke about her costume and it would be all over for him.
5.Madoc v. Maeve-Who cares as long as one of them dies?
6.Garlon v. Umbriel-Garlon...he fights dirty.
7.Goliath v. Batman-It would be close but I'm sure Goliath would win
8.Ethan Hunt v. Matt-Ethan he's deadly
9.Elisa v. Scully-Elisa definately Elisa
10.Cagney v. Garfield-Garfield is too fat to win anything
11.Pinky v. The Brain-Pinky would win by pure luck.

Jackal-I too would pay to see these fights.


Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Monday, December 7, 1998 07:43:44 PM
IP: pm1-29.sma.silcom.com

Hello, Gargoyles Saga fan type persons...

Mary Sues> I don't think Gemini is a Mary Sue. Some of her actions in "A Stitch In Time" are major mistakes. [more?]

Fire Storm> It's okay with me if you don't want to join. And please tell Lady Mystic she can send her Registration in any time. :)

This week's Buffy ep> "The Wish" looks like it'll be an episode I like, considering I'm an alterniverse aficionado. :)

Fights> In all of these I am assuming this is 'to the defeat' and not 'to the death.'

1. Buffy vs. Demona - Buffy. Considering that some of the foes Buffy's defeated are older and more powerful than Demona (i.e. Conquistos, the Master, the Judge), I think she'd win this one. Granted, though, that Demona would put up one heckuva fight, and would definitely be back for revenge once she healed...

2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett - Owen. He can actually fight. ;)

3. Methos vs. MacBeth - MacBeth. This would be a very long battle, considering both parties are immortal and heal real fast. But eventually, I think MacBeth, with his superior weaponry and the fact that he won't die when his head is cut off (at least it seems that way), will defeat Methos.

4. Fang vs. Catwoman - Catwoman. Fang has the power, but that's it. Catwoman has the skill and the smarts. Besides, she's beaten guys of around his power level, like Gorilla Grodd.

5. Maeve vs. Madoc - Maeve. As power goes, I think they're matched,but where Madoc's smart, she's smarter.

6. Umbriel vs. Garlon - Garlon. He's sneakier, and nastier, than Umbriel. He also has more experience.

7. Goliath vs. Batman - Batman. He's had experience fighting guys way stronger and smarter than Goliath, like Blockbuster and Bane, and has the skills and technology to compensate for his deficiencies compared to the gargoyle leader.

8. Ethan Hunt vs. Matt - Ethan Hunt. Matt had FBI training, but Ethan is a spy, assassin, and infiltrator, much more skilled and deadly.

9. Scully vs. Elisa - Elisa. Elisa, I think, is slightly more skilled at fighting, having held her own with some relatively powerful foes like Demona.

10. Cagney vs. Garfield - Garfield. He's smart, he could find a way to beat Cagney using that.

11. Pinky vs. the Brain - Pinky. He destroys all Brain's plans accidentally when they're NOT fighting, how much destruction could he do on PURPOSE?

Just my opinions. :)

My website> Obviously, I didn't make an update this weekend. Due to lack of material, and that despite my request, no one told me they posted new fics in garg-fans, so I had a dozen fics to add on Sunday night... it'll just wait.

Doug> Did you receive my critiques of the cards? You can ignore them, you know, but I wanted to give my opinions before I posted.

'sall.
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 07:38:02 PM
IP: 213-96-187.ipt.aol.com

Sorry for the double post, but I just thought of something concerning the battles. Preston Vogel would beat Owen Burnett any day of the week, assuming Puck did not get involved. I'll explain if anyone asks, (And I'm sure you will) or I'll just let you all think I'm crazy.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 07:04:28 PM
IP: spider-wa044.proxy.aol.com

Doug- Post my fics? Weeeell... If all goes well, that wish will be granted before Christmas... (Or at least, my first few stories anyhow., The rest still need editing, which Philip is helping with immensley.)

Merlin- It IS a good story. Of course, now I half expect three stories from now to see a silhouetted figure going, "Well, it seemed to work. Everything is now going according to my master plan..." No wait, thats what happens in MY stories when someone dies...

Spike- I scored six points.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 07:00:51 PM
IP: spider-wa044.proxy.aol.com

**NOT AN RP, JUST A BLAISISM**
[Several TIE Defenders skywrite "Shameless Site/Fanfic Plug Warning!" in glowing, five-mile-wide letters in Earth orbit.]
**END BLAISISM**

Click my name. Feedback is appreciated. Thanks.
Wilek Nereus
Monday, December 7, 1998 06:51:07 PM
IP: tnt-2-44-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

The episode "Offers" > I ain't being mean but I didn't like it at all. I'm not into those death episode where everyone is sad. I just *HATE* those kinds. Sorry . But I'm not a sad kind of person.

STAR TREK NOVEL > ** starts cracking up ** Not a novel that you can buy. A Fan-fiction Novel. One friend of mine is Emily Friedman and she has a MS ( Mary-Sue) Star Trek novel on the net.

** smiles and snaps her fingers and she is wearing a star Trek uniform ( the ones from DS9 ) and Q is next to her . **

Your getting the hang of it , Heather. Shall we ? ** he offers a arm and she smiles big as she takes it ** I'm so happy. ** blushes and disappears **

Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 06:38:49 PM
IP: 202-98-69.ipt.aol.com

hey, I have some:

1) Vincent vs. Jules - from Pulp Fiction, Jules could probably talk his way out

2) Rozencrantz vs. Guildenstern - tough call

I'm bored, please help.
Ordell - [ordell9425@geocities.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 06:33:45 PM
IP: pc10495.public.utpb.edu

Hmmm...interesting line-ups.

1. BUFFY vs. DEMONA. Is this a joke? Um, Demona.
2. PRESTON VOGEL vs. OWEN BURNETT. I cite "The Edge", "Enter Macbeth", and "Kingdom" as examples of why Owen would definitely win.
3. METHOS vs. MACBETH. I don't know who Methos is, but I'd be willing to bet my answer would be Macbeth either way.
4. FANG vs. CATWOMAN. Fang is an idiot and Catwoman a strategist who's not unknown to use seductiveness to her advantage (I cite Fang in "The Reckoning")
5. MAEVE vs. MADOC. Maeve.
6. UMBRIEL vs. GARLON. Garlon. He's an assasson with over 10,000 years of experience; Umbriel's just a boy.
7. GOLIATH vs. BATMAN. Its going to have to be Batman; he can take anyone.
8. ETHAN HUNT vs. MATT. Ethan Hunt...is that the guy from Mission Impossible? Um, I'd have to go with him than, since Matt's only cop/FBI and Ethan's a covert agent and all.
9. SCULLY vs. ELISA. Scully's FBI, but how often have you seen her go hand-to-hand with anybody? I cite "Awakening Part 4", "High Noon", "The Mirror", and "Protection" as reasons why Elisa would definitely win.
10. CAGNEY vs. GARFIELD. Cat's can be vicious...oh yeah, Garfield's a cat too, I kinda forgot about that, but the fact remains that I can picture Cagney barring his/her claws and sprinting whereas Garfield would just kind of sit there. Winner: Cagney.
11. PINKY vs. THE BRAIN. Anyone who has ever watched these two know that Brain can _never_ win against Pinky's advantageous stupidity. Somehow, Pinky would win (probably inadvertaintly)
Entity
Monday, December 7, 1998 06:30:17 PM
IP: ely-oh3-14.ix.netcom.com

WILEK NELEUS - I'm not sure of the pronunciation myself. I looked through my Arthurian books and haven't found the specific pronunciation. However, it's a Welsh name, and in Welsh, "w" is pronounced as "oo" and "y" as "u". That might help.

THIRD SAINTS' LIFE - The Life of St. Carannog. St. Carannog had a special altar that he would throw into the sea, and it would guide him to wherever he needed to be. It led him to Somerset, where Arthur had attempted, in vain, to slay a local dragon that was ravaging the countryside. Arthur found the altar and tried to use it as a table, but whenever he put anything on it, it would tremble until the object fell off. Arthur met with Carannog and agreed to give him back the altar if Carannog would do something about the dragon. Carannog went out, met the dragon, and tamed it; Arthur, while apparently a little disappointed that the saint didn't actually kill the dragon, still returned the altar to him.

A genuine case of difficulty with dragons in the TGS Universe could be the basis for this story, although I doubt that Arthur and Carannog had that poor relations in actuality (TGS actuality, that is).

NEXT TIME: The Life of St. Gildas (series finale).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 7, 1998 06:26:22 PM
IP: pn15-ppp-177.primary.net

I just want to tell you guys You are doing a consistantly great job this year. I mean it one episode after another has been amazing, each one filled with surprises.

***SPOILERS ALERT
"Offers" was a praticularly moving episode. I knew all along the Halcyon Renard was going to die. They hinted that in the first season of TGS, but I defiantely wasn't prepared for it. When they had the words to "The Living Years" I was gone, cried like a baby ( and I don't cry much regarding television,books,or movies, but that one moved me) I liked it when they mentioned the Magus,m because I didn't think the show dealt with his death like they should have . I know, allowances should be made, because it was a cartoon ,but really that's no excuse. (on another note, I got this image in my head of all of hte scenes with Renard showing while they were playing "the Living Years")
I also liked the way Xanatos and Owen were portrayed with more humanity. I don't really think that up until that moment I really believed that the Xanatos family had changed, but when Owen and Xanatos refused their offers , I felt like cheering ( I would have if I weren't in apublic place ,at school)
I'm guessing, actually more of a guess, morel ike a certainty, that the Magus and Renard are only the first of a few more deaths in TGS , I don't think I'll be prepared for any of them.
***END SPOILERS***
By the way, I feel dumb asking htis, but what's a Mary Sue?
Auburn Red - [foxglove7@hotmail.com]
Dittmer, mo., u.S.a.
Monday, December 7, 1998 05:18:56 PM
IP: 204.184.174.23

1 more week to go then comes Finals week. I have 2 finals (English and Calculus) on Monday, Chemistry on Wednesday, and Life Science on Thursday. All next week. Needless to say, studying is job #1 for me now.

RAVYN-- I remember you saying you're hitting Los Angeles for X-mas. When exactly are you doing that? Just curious because it may be the time I'm hitting Arizona to visit Alison and her grandparents.

RAHSAAN-- Happy belated b-day. And good luck finishing that TGS ep for TimeDancer. Knowing you, it'll be a good one :)

PICTURES-- Waitaminute. I'm looking through last week's comment room and heard about an Umbriel pic in someone's post. Thing is time is eating away any time to go through the page and find the pic post. Can anyone repost it or give me some way to find it?

CR PICS-- Btw, just in case anyone is wondering, I am restricted to using pics of characters done by TGS artist staff only. As we know, they lead busy lives so getting them to do pics is a slow process. Hopefully the comment room CGI will be fixed and we can add a new crop of pics once they get done.

PICS IN EP-- You mean they didn't work? Ack! Gonna check it out and possibly fix it. Expect the fix in about 10 mins from this post.

MP3-- Related bit of mp3 news today. Hit the Soul Calibur site (http://www.soulcalibur.com/), the site for the Namco arcade game. Enter the password Blade of Blaze. Now navigate through the site and you'll come across pics for the levels there, with their music done in mp3 format. Considering that the music for the game is a rousing sort of orchestrational music, this rocks.

NEW CD-- Oh, for any fans of John London and the House Party (relatively few in here from what I know), they just released their 3rd volume of comedy bits on 2 CDs. Hit the website at http://www.houseparty.com/ and order the CD for over 70 bits. All proceeds go to a local Boys & Girls club here in Los Angeles.

Heh, it's only Monday and look at the room now. Maybe I should attach a file size label to each saved CR when the archive comes up soon.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Monday, December 7, 1998 04:16:46 PM
IP: clsc-pc-20.clicc.ucla.edu

New Story> Oh, god that was great, Oh god, that was exquisite. One of the best TGS eps ever made, on par with Requiem. I hope I'll have the review by Wednesday, though most probably it will be later.

Mary Sues> You know, after reading Merlin Missy's test on determining a Mary Sue, I understood that Jewel Faulkner's Christine and Belinda could well have become the greatest Mary Sues ever made. *** SPOILERS for those characters below *** I mean hybrids, teenage, dying to save others, ressurected in sequels, magical power, offsprings of regulars, becoming fays and going to Avalon, with great taste in music, etc...

But Christine is a near-schizophrenic with a murderous third personality (Turandot) and ends up in one bad (as in VERY bad) relationship after another and kills her own daughter by accident (don't worry she was only mostly dead) and Belinda ends up a manipulative &%$& who allies herself to one of the worst monsters to ever face the world.
*** END SPOILERS ***
So, tell me, are these characters Mary Sues or aren't they?

1. Buffy vs. Demona: DEMONA all the way.
2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett: OWEN has style, greater determination and hasn't wavered in his loyalty the same way Preston has. And his has his stone fist to back him up.
3. Methos vs. Macbeth. MACBETH. Anyone wanna argue with that?!
4. Fang vs. Catwoman. CATWOMAN. More style
5. Maeve vs. Madoc. MADOC. More class.
6. Umbriel vs. Garlon. UMBRIEL if he's determined enough.
7. Goliath vs. Batman. You'll hate me for this but BATMAN.
8. Ethan Hunt vs. Matt. Who's Ethan Hunt?
9. Scully vs. Elisa. They're both good guys (well sortof). They wouldn't fight.
10. Cagney vs. Garfield. GARFIELD.
11. Pinky vs. The Brain. PINKY has foiled plan after plan of Brain. Why do you think Brain could possibly hope to defeat him now? Pinky would win by accident, but he would win.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Monday, December 7, 1998 03:27:50 PM
IP: 195.167.116.33

Speaking of the Mary Jane Test, here's the "Mad Scientist Aptitude Quiz." Take it and see how you fare!
Spike
Monday, December 7, 1998 03:12:13 PM
IP: dal-as2-1017.cmpu.net

Speaking of the Mary Jane Test, here's the "Mad Scientist Aptitude Quiz." Take it and see how you fare!
Spike
Monday, December 7, 1998 03:10:51 PM
IP: dal-as2-1017.cmpu.net

**RP!** The Ravens, etc. have arrived at the circus. They are currently in a long line headed towards the big top. As they file towards the ticket booth, Doug turns to face the CR. **RP PAUSE**

Todd: That's some interesting info on all the saints' lives. Thank you for it.

Wilek: I thought Owen did spike it, that's how he was out of character IMO. So since he didn't, it's okay, no problems. Go ahead and put up the story. I'm also looking forward to more of your Anwn fic.

Mary Sue characters: They can be done well, if the writer can make them seem like a person and not a superhero. They should have trouble defeating the bad guys, make bad decisions, get themselves into trouble and often have to depend on others to get out, make mistakes and learn from them, and fall in love where it's not all mushy but instead just a compatible union that develops the characters of all people involved. Of course, after that happened, they would probably no longer be Mary Sues. :) Or at least, they'd be the Avery/Birdie/Rowan kind.

Stormy: I read your "Wagner's Vendetta." Hilarious! The part about Lisa and Mona is definitely going into my best fanfic moments collection. I wonder what would happen if they did undergo what Alex proposed, I can just imagine their reactions! Someone should write that fic. (To know what I'm talking about, read Stormy's story! hint hint)

The Fights: Here's who I think would win.
1. Demona. She's had a lot more fighting experience than Buffy and while the Slayer could probably put up a good fight, Demona would tear her apart in the end.
2. Owen. He's a martial arts black belt (see "The Edge") and has that stone fist. Vogel, as far as we know, has neither, so he'd go down!
3. Macbeth. Again, Methos has a lot more fighting experience and that's important. But Macbeth could put up a huge fight with all his high-tech gear. Methos only has his body, mind, and sword.
4. Catwoman. She's a lot more agile than Fang, and knowing him, he'd be concentrating on kissing her more than killing her if they ever fought. <grin>
5. The rulers of the Unseelie Court seem pretty evenly matched. Maeve is the better fighter, though I think Madoc has the greater magical strength. He'd probably win out because of it.
6. Umbriel. He can use iron effectively, even though he is fay. If he was fighting Garlon, and iron was nearby, that would probably give him the edge.
7. Goliath, unless of course Batman got to use his car.
8. Matt means Matt Bluestone, right? Well, Ethan could probably beat him if only because he's had more combat training. I didn't like Mission Impossible that much. The story was too much about one guy and they made Jim Phelps evil. I hated that. But the videogame is cool, I've played it many times. :)
9. Elisa is better at hand-to-hand fights than Scully, so she'd win. The evidence? Elisa is able to easily take Demona on, whereas Scully would probably be staring at her in shock that she exists for such a long time that Demona would rip her throat out before she could react. <Die, Human!> :)
10. Cagney. He's more agile than Garfield. If Garfield managed to sit on him, though, goodbye to the other cat.
11. The Brain. He could Pinky easily distracted somehow, and hit him while he was. A short attention span never helps you in battle.

Dan: Cool profile. I better get Kitainia to do one of those for herself. :)

Deuce: Thanks. Actually in my scene Brooklyn and Jesus do notice each other. Read the story to find out how. ("Through the Ages" at GFW.)

Renard: I'll miss him in TGS. He was one of my favorite supporting characters. Oh well, as long as he stays alive in some fanfic universe I like, it'll be okay. :)

That's all for now.
**RP AGAIN** The Ravens reach the ticket booth just as the man closes the velvet rope. "Sorry," he grins. "We're sold out. But the preformance will be televised, you can catch it there." "We're not here to see the preformance," Boris snaps to the ticket man. "We're the Black Ravens, and their fellow good guys. We know what you guys are planning to do tonight. And we're going to shut you down." "The Black Ravens?" the man asks, suddenly flashing a wide grin. "You're our guests of honor tonight! Mr. Daley and the Masked Magician have been expecting you. Welcome!" He opens the rope and waves everyone through. The good guys look at each other, nervously shake their heads, then shrug and head onto the circus midway as the screen goes blank. To be continued next time. **END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, December 7, 1998 02:08:26 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zox-vty54.as.wcom.net

Oh, I forgot; I posted this in last week's room, but I don't know if everyone got it:

Against my better judgement, I got ICQ yesterday. My UIN is 25105603. (I tried AOhelL IM, but didn't like it much). Chats would be welcome, but I'm grounded off my computer 'til Wednesday and there's no ICQ at school.

Pardon Dan's most recent post; as much as I'd like to, I have little control over his deranged ramblings.

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:47:40 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

I'm sitting right beside you, you don't need a comuter to talk to me.
*Dan has just quoted a comment, he read ealeir on.
Dan - [tinfoil@softhome.net]
Edmonton, AB, CA
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:46:09 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Typical Monday morning insanity.... Thank God I finished the story/CR in time to post.

***SLIGHT SPOILERS FOR TGS.***

I liked "Offers", especially how they revealed the more human sides of Xanatos and Fox. Even Owen seemed... real. As for Xanatos' new offer of immortality, I doubt he'll accept it. Alex's birth changed him so much that I strongly doubt it's a major goal. Moreso since it's only a spell for one.

The scene with Fox killing the dummy was absolutely fantastic, and I loved the quoted passage from "Midsummer Night's Dream". Beautiful.

***SPOILERS OVER***

ROBBY> I have to agree with you that Owen is a member of the family. As for Madoc's motivation, I doubt that Titania would be willing to accept him anyway, especially after he killed Oberon (which he'd have to do to even get CLOSE to Titania). So there's really no point. *pause* But try telling HIM that.

DOUG re: BROOKLYN @ THE CRUCIFIXION> I think yours would be the best way to handle it, although a brief Brooklyn-Jesus conversation would be awesome to have, although touchy. You'd have to be VERY careful about that.

AND THE WINNERS WOULD BE (IN CAPITALS)...

1. Buffy vs. DEMONA. Buffy's cute, but she doesn't stand a chance, IMO.
2. Preston Vogel vs. OWEN BURNETT. Just trick Vogel into "posing a threat" to Alex, and watch out!
3. Methos vs. MACBETH.
4. FANG vs. Catwoman. Brute force wins this one.
5. MAEVE vs. Madoc. Brute force loses this one. Maeve's too cunning.
6. Umbriel vs. GARLON. Garlon's vicious.
7. GOLIATH vs. Batman. *sound of Batman's head crunching like a ripe melon*
8. ETHAN HUNT vs. Matt. Ethan has more gadgets.
9. Scully vs. Elisa (TIE). I honestly don't know.
10. CAGNEY vs. Garfield. Garfield's too fat.
11. PINKY vs. The Brain. He could just annoy Brain to death.

DAN> You're weird. Hey, wanna go see ST:I on Friday? My dad'll be out of town, so....

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of..., Alberta, Canada
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:43:03 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Kitainia and everyone else--> Here are my thoughts on who I think would win:

1. Buffy vs. Demona.
Demona

2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett.
I don't know who either of these people are so...um...Owen!

3. Methos vs. Macbeth.
Macbeth

4. Fang vs. Catwoman.
Ooooo! Catwoman *the sound of a whip cracking*

5. Maeve vs. Madoc.
Again, I don't know who these people are so, Maeve!

6. Umbriel vs. Garlon.
Um, um, um, Umbriel 'cause I can relate to him, his appearance, posture, moods.

7. Goliath vs. Batman.
GOLIATH ALL THE WAY! 'nuff said.

8. Ethan Hunt vs. Matt.
Uh, who's Matt? Anyway, I like Ethan (I also own Mission Impossible, that movie kicks ass).

9. Scully vs. Elisa.
This is going to be bugging me for days. AAAAAHH!
Um, Elisa, NO, Scully, NO, Elisa, NO, Scully!
I guess I stay at Scully because she's so damn hot.

10. Cagney vs. Garfield.
Cagney 'cause all Garfield does is sit on his ass all day.

11. Pinky vs. The Brain.
The Brain 'cause Pinky would probably end up sticking his head in the toilet and start blowing bubbles in the water, not knowing he is also inhaling water.

But hey, anything can happen.

I set up a Yahoo! Profile so check it out, click my name below.
Stay tuned for a comment from Deuce...

ttyl
Dan - [tinfoil@softhome.net]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:41:11 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Comments on the New TGS Episode (you've been warned!):

This episode just came right out of the blue. It's 12:00 and I just finished watching 'Outfoxed' on Toon Disney. I turn on my computer to see the latest story. The ad that DumlaoX has in his post seems innocent enough. I go to the main site and download the story. It's starts off well enough with an ordinary meal for the Xanatos family. And then suddenly your hit with a shocker. Renard is dead. I really didn't expect that.

This was one hell of an episode. In the scene between Fox and Xanatos in the gym where she breaks down, my eyes just couldn't keep dry. And while all this is going on Madoc is trying to lead Owen/Puck down the road to hell with his promises of temptation. It was a powerful story.

There is only one ommision that bothered me in this story, and that was Titania's absence. Even though they were divorced, even though he no longer held her interest, I do feel that she would at least have gone to his funeral as Anastasia, that she would at least appear to comfort her daughter. But she didn't. I'm sure that she will appear a little later down the line, but it still bothers me that she didn't even go to the funeral, that she didn't even stand silently invisible in the back at the very least. And I also feel that it should also bother Fox.

I do wonder though if this is the last we have seen of Renard. Ghosts do exist in the Gargoyles Universe. And even though he didn't live anyplace with strong magic like Wyvern, being around the fay long enough, wouldn't some magic have rubbed off on him?

A wonderfully written story, with real strange timing, it being released immediately after 'Outfoxed'.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:23:30 PM
IP: novix02.brooklyn.cuny.edu

Mandi: I'm trying to see if I can get into the new fanfic archive and upload fics from school computers. If that doesn't work, I'm going to see about getting a friend to do it for me. In the meantime, i'll just keep posting this link around a lot....and thanking fans who spread the word.

Mary Sues: Just had this thought...a pure Mary Sue character is the fanfic equivalent of godmoding. It's no fun to read about a perfect character who always beats all the villains and is beloved by all the heros, just as it's no fun to RP against someone whose RP character is some kind of all powerful invincible god.
Obviously, some characters are going to contain SOME mary sue elements or the leading character isn't going to get any romantic interest at all ;-) But it can be done more creatively than just plain "and everyone else loved her too, as she single handedly beat all the villains, and they lived happily ever after."
Stormy
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:07:19 PM
IP: taurus.huron.uwo.ca

(I actually wrote most of this last night. A storm came up very suddenly, rained hard enough to black out my DSS's reception, and I don't want to lose another machine to lightning. You've never seen a little blue garg copy and paste to Notepad so fast. ^_^)

**RP**
[At the Dark Star, the team is in a running gunfight with several scuttlers. SJ: "Heh, I knew my new Doom Commandoes would do well on this mission." Wilek: "Yeah...did you see what the Heresiarch did to that Borg? Yikes." The team takes cover in a cargo bay and locks the door. W: "OK, everyone, we have to figure out how to get the Borg and whatever other enemy agents are here off the station and get the shields back online. Miriam?" M: "Hm... if we shut down sections J2-75 through J5-03 of the EPS grid, we'll be able to traverse the power conduits as a means of reaching the command center. If we can rid that of all enemy presence, we can retake control of the station and drive out the enemy agents." Jake: "You think we can do that? I'll bet they've assimilated half this place by now...wait a minute...we're going through the power conduits?! If someone finds out they've been turned off--and they *will* find out when half the lights on the station go out--they'll turn the thing back on, probably while we're in it, and there won't be enough of us left to use as tile grout!" W: "Miriam, can you lock it out?" M: "Probably, but the Borg will most likely be able to break my encryption lock." W: "As long as they don't do it till we're at the command center, we'll be alright. Get started everyone."]
**PAUSE RP**

Kitainia> Interesting fights...It's interesting that you're incorporating the Power Rangers into the RP...I don't think too highly of most of the characters (except the very creepy and evil Zedd), but I'm kind of a fan of their technology.

Kyryn> Thanks. Eh...which line?

Green Baron> <<I know that was bad>> Yup. Incredibly. ;P j/k

Heather> You're writing a Star Trek NOVEL?! ULTIMATE KEWLNESS! Heh, remind me to tell you some of my theories about gargoyles existing in the Star Trek universe...

SOROW> Eh...you think of Brook as 'stocky'? Hm, I thought Broadway and Hudson fit better in that category.

Brooklyn seeing the Crucifixion> I'd have to say that that ep shouldn't be made. You just know someone would get mad and come after us with iodine and a cheese grater.

Gun Laws> Well, there need to be background checks for criminal activity, and a waiting period (short one, a few days at most), but other than that, I think the right to bear arms is a very good idea. I think Miriam does too, since she has all that weird snot from her organization in the trunk of our Cadillac. (You ever see an isokinetic bazooka in action?)

Evil Egyptian deities> Ammut, Devouress Of Souls. In Egyptian mythology, after you died, your heart was weighed against the Feather of Maat, a symbol of purity. If they weighed the same, your soul proceeded to the afterlife. If your heart was heavier, it and the rest of you were eaten by Ammut. Yecch.

**NEW EP SPOILERS**
Be warned, I wrote this while reading the ep, and it's going to be a rather long and nearly scene-by-scene deconstruction: Aw, how cute, Alex can talk now. Sort of. Oh shoot, Renard's dead. I find that creepy because tonight's Gargs ep was 'Outfoxed'. Eep. Besides, he's kewl. Eh, Renard had been reading what amounts to his ex-wife's biography? Just what did he know?...Hm, Fox's Fey powers seem to be developing. (Didn't Puck start tutoring her back in the TGS first season?) !s it me, or are you people implying that the Unseelie are responsible for "the leader of the United States...being accused of misconduct"? ^_^ I kinda hope so...Anima Perpetua? Hello! Xanatos might finally be becoming immortal after all. Heh, I was wondering when he'd get around to that. Eh...the pics don't work. So...Cu Chullain is a Halfling. That whole thing *finally* makes sense. Interesting how you introduced the moral ambiguity of Oberon and Madoc into all this. Quite honestly, I think the only reason to root for Oberon at all is that if he wins, he'll leave us mortals alone but if Madoc wins, he'll enslave us. "The Mouse encroached on my protectorate..." >:) I won't even start on how much I loved THAT line, especially in light of our recent discussion of companies going on the warpath against fan sites. Eh...Puck ruling Manhattan? He'd probably turn it into an amusement park. Good thing he refused that offer. The metaphoric discussion between Davie and Owen was *extremely* well done. I like how each is afraid the other knows about what had transpired. Hm, one wonders just exactly why Titania wasn't at the funeral. All in all, a fantastic ep.
**END SPOILERS**

Merlin> Interesting poem; it was about as true to the ep as that format can possibly be.

Todd> Gwynnlyw?! How *does* one pronounce that? Buy the man some vowels, for Oberon's sake! :P

Doug> When you're in here, it's very easy to forget the outside world exists. I know that's how it is with me. When I'm lurking here, I believe that you could set my wings on fire and I wouldn't get around to noticing until I turned into a human at sunrise. :) **FANFIC SPOILER** Um...in my second story, how exactly was Owen out of character? I'd rather not put up that story until that's corrected. (He didn't spike the punch BTW.) **END SPOILER**

**RESUME RP**
[Miriam works for a while at a console..."The conduit's down!" W: "Alright everyone, we don't have long now. Let's move it!" The team opens a maintenance hatch and crawls in just as the scuttlers manage to shoot through the door. They look around for the team...and see the open maintenance hatch...]
**END RP**
Wilek Nereus
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:26:34 PM
IP: tnt-1-202-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

KING ARTHUR IN THE SAINTS' LIVES PART TWO - The Life of St. Padern. St. Padern had in his keeping a richly embroidered tunic, a present from the Patriarch of Jerusalem. Arthur (so the story goes) burst into Padern's home one day, and ordered the man to give him the tunic. Padern commanded the earth to swallow Arthur up to the neck, and it did. Arthur had to apologize and ask Padern nicely to let him go.

Again, most likely an invention of St. Padern's biographer, although Arthur and Padern might have occasionally met and disagreed on certain matters.

MARY-SUES - I've sometimes wondered if Merlin/Emrys, my leading contribution to TGS among the "good guys", counts as a "Mary Sue", but after thinking it over, I've come to the conclusion that he doesn't. For one thing, he's too broody, particularly over the horror of who his father is and all the trouble that he has with Madoc. Definitely not Mary Sue-material. (His troubles with Nimue and the destruction of Arthur's kingdom, as Aris once pointed out, can't have helped any either).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:20:44 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-167.primary.net

Kitainia: Yeah, I'm right here. We live together. So you do not need the computer to talk to me. Please remember that from now on.

Merlin: The best work you've ever done? Congratulations! It was very good. Can't wait till the next story.
Doug
Monday, December 7, 1998 11:42:56 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zox-vty54.as.wcom.net

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Cyr- "way
Monday, December 7, 1998 10:07:47 AM
IP: gcolor.com

Mary friggin Sue> Angela is too goodie-goodie in my book, and my character, (Chris), only sees her as a sex object. And the dream of her would have continued on to a NC-17 rating if he would have got his way, but noooo those pesky little majikal creatures had to interfer and introduce something totally off the wall...., ahh well, I'll explain one day. As far as Angela coming onto Chris in "The Demon Call", Chris didn't want to have sex with her, because he knew that wasn't the real her, you know what I mean? He wants to be a conscience guilty thought of hers...., basically he just wants to **** her!
Religion> "it should be used when appropriate, and only when it advances the plot." Exactly! Yes, thank you, thank you....
Someone needs to write a fanfic of Celebrity Death Match...., "Buffy vs. Demona", "Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett", "Fang vs. Catwoman", "Maeve vs. Madoc", "Goliath vs. Batman", "Scully vs. Elisa", "Pinky vs. The Brain"?!!!?!?!?!! I'd pay to see these fights!!!!
jackal
Monday, December 7, 1998 09:50:30 AM
IP: spider-to021.proxy.aol.com

I mean, "without lusting after Gwladys". I've got to proofread these things better.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 07:06:26 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-90.primary.net

I'll be spacing the Saints' Lives stories out through the week, to keep any one post from getting too long and unwieldy. Here's the first one.

Before I start, a brief explanation about what the Saints' Lives are. They're 11th and 12th century works about various leading holy men in early medieval Britain. Most of these men were never officially made saints or recognized as such by the Pope; the Dark Age Welsh simply viewed any prominent (and more or less exemplary) member of the Christian Church as a saint. The subjects of these "biographies" were real historical figures, but their stories have been recorded so long after their lifetimes that a lot of legend has been mingled in, so that they aren't reliable documentaries.

At any rate, here's the first one: the Life of St. Cadoc, or rather, King Arthur's role in it.

St. Cadoc was the son of a Welsh nobleman named Gwynnlyw (who was the local lord at Cardiff) by a Welsh princess named Gwladys, the daughter of a Welsh lord named Brychan. Gwynnlyw was courting her and she was receptive to him, but Brychan didn't approve of Gwynnlyw for a son-in-law, and so the two of them decided to simply run away together back to Cardiff, Brychan and his men in pursuit. Along the way (so the story goes), they passed by Arthur, Kay, and Bedivere, who were playing dice upon a hilltop. Arthur became interested in Gwladys himself and wanted to slay Gwynnlyw and carry her off, but Kay and Bedivere reminded him of his duty to protect those who needed help (one of the earliest traces in literature of the "Arthurian Code" of chivalry that we so commonly associate with Camelot and the Round Table). Arthur instead let the two lovers ride on, while he held Brychan off.

Gwynnlyw and Gwladys were married and had a son named Cadoc, who when he grew up entered the Church and became the Abbot of Llancarvan. One day, a warrior named Ligessauc, who had killed three of Arthur's men, came to the monastery to take refuge there from Arthur. Arthur ordered Cadoc to surrender Ligessauc to him, but Cadoc refused, saying that Ligessauc had the right of sanctuary. Arthur finally agreed to withdraw his demand in return for Cadoc giving him a hundred half-red half-white cows, which he thought was an impossible request to fulfill. Cadoc produced the cows, but when Arthur sent his men to collect them, the cows suddenly changed into bundles of fern. Arthur, taken aback, decided to let Cadoc maintain the rights of sanctuary for Ligessauc.

I doubt that either of these stories are gospel truth in the TGS Universe, but they may contain dim and slanted recollections of some of Arthur's activities; he might indeed have helped Cadoc's parents escape (without lusting after Gwynnlyw) and might have had difficulties with monasteries sheltering dangerous enemies of his.

NEXT POST: The Life of Saint Padern.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 7, 1998 07:04:40 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-90.primary.net

Yet another quality episode from the TGS crew. My compliments, guys & gals.

**Spoiler Warning** - I'll miss Renard as a supporting character, but given his state of health as assigned from the original series, I figured that we'd be seeing an episode dealing with his death somewhere in the virtual seasons. All the character reactions are just about perfectly true to form, and the scene between David Xanatos and Owen couldn't have been any better unless you got animators to work up an MPEG file to go with it.
**End Spoiler**

Doug - I've been helping Robby with his fics as a beta-reader, and I think that once he's got them tuned up, you'll definitely enjoy what he's come up with. He's still working on some flaws we spotted, but I'm sure once that's cleared up he'll be passing them on to one of the archives so that everyone can get a look at them.

Robby - Just about finished with "Visitors", I should be able to send the commentary back to you later today.
Philip Jacobs - [nementh@usa.net]
Newport News, VA, USA
Monday, December 7, 1998 05:43:54 AM
IP: pm3u52.hroads.net

*Merlin runs in being chased by a six-foot-tall cat. She drops a familiar-looking children's book on the floor with a blue Post-It Note stuck on the cover. Clutching a fish bowl, she dashes out again.*
"I would like to take this opportunity to talk about my muse. 1) She's addicted to caffeine, which means I get *really* creative after a soda or three. 2) She refuses to let me decide what to work on when. Hence the following, when I should really be polishing a paper on "Midsummer." Anyway, it's "Offers" in verse, so if you haven't read the episode, you shouldn't read the poem. To give credit where it's due, said poem was inspired by a similar poem by Bonnie Holmyard from Trek fandom.
"And since I'll probably only have time to lurk the rest of the week, I would like to say that in my own opinion, this is the best work I've done (which probably says more about my own tastes than anything else and certainly does not necessarily reflect the opinions of anyone else). I just wanted to thank the TGS staff and especially Tas for the chance to work on it. And since we're discussing Angela as Mary Sue, I should state for the record that in this story, and this one alone, she was mine."
Merlin Missy - [mrwilson@umr.edu]
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:33:13 AM
IP: saucer.cc.umr.edu

**RP** The Ravens and those with them are in their vehicles, heading for the circus. The bikers are spread out around on the truck on their cycles, keeping a defensive formation up. Janice is arguing with Doug and Keith about their conduct in the battle with Guod's Borg-monsters. Gubio and Mist are playing Gorebash's new Gargoyle Half-Life world against one another (the cat is winning), Jammer is driving with Tricia riding shotgun, Shauna and Shap are up top watching for enemies, Orion and Lathrop are resting to recover their spell energies. Stephanie is curled up in a corner of the truck with Methos, they are sharing their life stories. Kitainia turns from her three-way Monopoly game with Boris and Elena and grimaces at them, then turns to face the CR. **RP PAUSE**

Great, now I'm worried about those two getting together. And my sister only a month ago broke up with Keith, who still cares for her in a major way. Hope this doesn't create conflict within the Ravens. The possibility of a spy among us, and the ongoing conflict with our enemies, is trouble enough!

Green Baron: Nice joke, thanks for sharing it. And your thoughts on Mary Sues. Mandi's thoughts on them are closest to mine of anyone's in here.

Todd: Mind please sharing your saint stories now that the room has been wiped?

Missy: We can't see the new story's pictures for some reason, sorry we haven't made comments on them.

Robby: Thanks for the army, we may need it later. But for now, we don't. Glad you got what you wanted to do taken care of before the monsters got sent away. *RP SPOILER- Next time we meet the monsters, the Power Rangers will show up to help us fight them and end up all getting their asses kicked nine ways from Sunday! <insert maniacal laughter>*

Comments on the New Episode: *SPOILER WARNING!* Another great job from the TGS Staff. The scenes with Madoc and Owen were my favorite, I could really feel the emotion with them both. Owen's turmoil was good, and I liked the part where he temporarily got his hand back. Madoc's character was also quite well-developed in this episode. He lusts for power and all its treasures, sure it will bring him everything he wants. Great motivation, it really makes the old saying about power and corruption true. Madoc is also a great and sinister maker of deals, which is good since he's supposed to be the faerie equivalent of Satan.

The scene with Maeve and Prometheus was also good. I liked the emotions flaring off both of them. And off Xanatos all throughout as he went through his own process of making a decision. Good job on all of this, Tas and Missy.

My best comments, though, must be for what was done with Fox. I really enjoyed her reaction to her father's death, and all the memories of it she went through. The funeral scene was beautiful, especially when they played that song from Mike and the Mechanics. Congrats to the authors of it on making me cry. The only way it could have been better was if Titania had chosen to show up at the funeral, seeing her reaction to it would have been nice. But even without her, great job!

So the TGS Staff has another classic Season 2 ep under its belt. One full of excellent character development, emotion, and plot. I wonder how long this will last, hope it's at least the rest of the season. To the TGS Staff- Good luck keeping your standards high and meeting, if not surpassing, them! *SPOILERS END*

Doug: Well, I'm glad Renard will get some more character development before he dies in your works. The scenes you have planned with him and Titania, as well as the latter's reaction to Changeling, they'll be great! It'll put us original Gargoyles viewers through a side of Renard we never got to see! (Can he live with Titania, knowing who she really is?) Hold on, why am I saying this to the CR when you're sitting right next to me? <Doug glares at her.> Don't kill me, please! Wait!! I apologize!! <The screen fizzles for a moment and goes dark. "We are experiencing technical difficulty" scrolls across as Doug and Kitainia get into a huge argument muffled by static noise. Eventually, the screen goes back to normal, and Kitainia's face appears again.> Sorry about that, comedy demons and the necessity of plugging motivated me. Fortunately, my being a good kisser and a better debater saved my life. Phew! (Note: I will try to nevermore post this kind of talk in here.)

Okay, I'd like everyone's opinions on something. Who would win the following fights?

1. Buffy vs. Demona.
2. Preston Vogel vs. Owen Burnett.
3. Methos vs. Macbeth.
4. Fang vs. Catwoman.
5. Maeve vs. Madoc.
6. Umbriel vs. Garlon.
7. Goliath vs. Batman.
8. Ethan Hunt (from the Mission Impossible movie) vs. Matt.
9. Scully vs. Elisa.
10. Cagney vs. Garfield.
11. Pinky vs. The Brain.

Why am I doing this? I don't know. Maybe it's just my current sugar high, combined with that brought on by the end of classes and the new episode. I already know the answers to most of these. Oh well, at the least this will give us something to talk about this week. :)

Okay, that's all for now. Later!
**RP AGAIN** Kitainia turns back to Doug, who still looks sore at her for plugging his fanfic and creating spoilers. They begin to talk about it, and Kitainia resolves to try never to do such a thing again as the screen fades out. To be continued. **END POST AND RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 01:23:17 AM
IP: hil-c45-038-vty53.as.wcom.net

**RP!** The screen comes on. At the secret base, the Masked Magician is complaning to Guod over a viewscreen. "Do you even know what your monsters are doing?" he rants. "They're destroying the city my circus is supposed to be preforming in later! I thought we wanted to take over the country, not destroy it! I have this great hypnotism plan that's sure to work, and now your Borg are ruining things!" Guod shrugs. "If we can get rid of those bothersome Ravens, why worry which of our other plans get disrupted? We can always try the hypnotism plot in another city, you know." The Magician grimaces under his mask and looks at Thailog. "You're the boss, you make the judgement call." "If I may propose something," Roger Marsh suddenly speaks up, "wouldn't it be more to our advantage to hypnotize the Ravens and their friends along with everyone else? That way, they could work for us!" "I like it," smiles Thailog. "Alright, Masked Magician, you may continue with your circus plan and hope they see your broadcast. Guod, you and Asil withdraw all your remaining troops from San Antonio now!" The two clones sigh and activate the equipment that will do so.

The scene shifts to the Alamo, where Gigan and Megalon have just been assimilated into the Borg by Godzilla and MechaGodzilla. The Ravens and their allies, now joined by Coyote and his team, as well as Jammer and the others who were on the Onslaught, are getting ready to battle them all. Gubio is booting up his laptop, preparing to send the four Borg monsters his virus. Suddenly a portal opens and they all are drawn inside, back to the secret base. As everyone breathes sighs of relief, Doug smiles and turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP**

Hmm, I wonder why Thailog so suddenly called off the attack. Oh well, at least we won't get killed now. And San Antonio is now safe from the monsters. Let me make a post in here, then we'll discuss our next move.

Mandi: Glad you enjoyed my latest. I agree with you about PR Mary Sue characters. Every good guy on that show is pretty much a Mary Sue already, and they have to bring in more! But of course, MS characters can be entertaining if done with the proper amount of charecterization. I'm trying to do that for Changeling, Agony, Laura and Seth. All of them are in some way based on myself and/or people I've known.

SJ: Sorry, I just took your comment the wrong way. Won't happen again, or at least I'll try not to let it. And Willow will be a vampire in the next Buffy ep, I have that confirmed from TV Guide. So will Xander.

Evil Egyptian Dieties: Don't forget Sebek, the twisted crocodile god.

Brooklyn at the Crucifixion: I don't think too many of us have considered something that could happen with this scenario. What if Brooklyn didn't actually do anything at the event? What if he just observed it as he did with the main conflict in "Games Without Frontiers" and so many of the events in "Fleeting Encounters?" He was there, he saw what happened, he went through some emotions, and that's it. No trying to stop it, no religious sermons or innuendos, just Brooklyn seeing and reacting to Jesus and the event. That's what I did in "Through the Ages," and so far everyone's who's given me feedback agreed that it worked. I think it did, too, it certainly made for a good story. Now I think I better get out of this debate.

Episode Comments and Spoilers: I really liked what you guys did with the Xanatos family in this one. I liked the character development on Fox immensly, good job! Too bad Renard had to die, I really liked his character. Oh well, I also really liked the emotions everyone went through because of the event! Especially Fox's, and to a lesser degree Vogel's, feelings. Renard's underlined passage was also particularly powerful.

I also liked getting to see Umbriel again, and further evidence of his doubt about the Unseelie's purposes. Good job on that, TGS people! Nice charecterization of Madoc, Maeve, and the other Unseelie, too. I liked Madoc's thoughts about recruiting the Banshee (eerie foreshadowing). The scene with Maeve and Prometheus was also very entertaining.

I also enjoyed what was done with Xanatos. Finally he gets the means to immortality. I trust a later Timedancer ep will show how that letter got mailed. The emotions he went through while considering whether to use the spell are some of the best Xanatos character moments I've seen, and it was a great process. Kudos to Tas and Merlin for entertaining me with it. I was thinking of two characters of mine who really have had to go through lots of people dying again and again, along with all the other travails of immortality, all throughout, so I could really feel for Xanatos. Wonder if he'd been like Agony, who learned to enjoy the pain while it existed and accept it as a necessary evil, or Seth, who seems to ignore death and all its pain, having made himself numb with worry and rage. I liked Xanatos's decision at the end of course, I'm glad he learned in the end that memories are in the end the one immortality anyone really needs. But his "it never hurts to have a backup plan" is going into my quote book.

Good job on the scene with Owen/Puck and Madoc as well. I enjoyed reading Owen's emotional turmoil all throughout and loved the way he brushed off the Unseelie Lord's offer. Ha! Madoc was also VERY sinister, I liked that. I also enjoyed the ticket metaphor and how it applied to both Owen and Xanatos. Never have I felt their characters connect so well.

Good job on developing the clan, too. Especially Angela, I was almost crying at the scene with her and Fox. The funeral scene was also very good, Renard's eulogy is going into my collection of best TGS moments. Perfect song choice for the funeral, too. That one's one of my favorite 80s tunes, for its emotion alone. <grin>

All in all, another very good episode both in plot and character. Great job, everyone who worked on it! Can't wait till the next one.
*END SPOILERS*

Robby: Now you've got me really hankering to read those stories of yours. If you can e-mail them to me, please do. IMO, they're really being wasted just sitting on your hard drive and out of the public domain. I must say I disagree with you about the Unseelie, they're as good villains as I've ever seen in any fanfic universe. That's part of the reason I absorbed them into mine (though they are WAY more powerful and dangerous in my work). As long as TGS keeps churning out great characters like them and the original Gargoyles ones, I'll keep reading it. Keep up the good work, TGS Staff!

Tonight's RP bad guy Overpower card: Guod.
Stats: Energy 5, Fighting 6, Strength 6, Intellect 4.
Specials (*=OPD): Assimilation* (takes full damage from an attack when it first hits him, and become immune to it thereafter); Borg Shock Troops* (Level 6 Energy, Fighting, or Strength attack, may only be blocked by a defensive special); Portals (may be used on himself or a teammate to avoid one attack); Regeneration (remove one permanent record hit); Fighting Skills (Level 4 Fighting attack, may be combined with a power card or another special); Gamma Flare* (Level 10 Energy attack); Stun Beam (paralyze target for one turn); Withdraw (remove Guod from battle this turn, deduct 2 permanent record hits).

That's all for now, later!
**RP AGAIN** Jim Noying's Mecha army arrives just as Doug finishes posting. Disappointed that they are no longer needed, their general takes them away. Doug meanwhile turns back to his companions and asks what their next move should be. "Well," Tricia suggests, "there is that evil circus we have to deal with." Doug nods. "Okay, they're preforming tonight (RP time), right? Let's heal up and get on to the Alamodome!" The Ravens and those with them pack their gear into the Onslaught, use Lathrop and Orion's magics to get healed and resupply, then drive off towards the circus as the screen fades out. **END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:36:28 AM
IP: hil-c45-038-vty53.as.wcom.net

Fire Storm: Didn't hear anything about the guy who got hit. Didn't look very promising, though ... wish I'd bought the paper the day after, the local paper here would've probably told whether he lived or died.

It's storming out here ... better get off-line, don't want to fry my new hardware ...
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:12:22 AM
IP: modem73.i-is.com

RP FOR THE WEEK**** Jim Iza Noying is curled snuggly in his bed, still resting after the exhausting party from last week. He is oblivious to the sounds of destruction being made by the borgified Godzilla and the like throughout the town. He's just going to sleep..> Until Mare decides to wake him up...****END RP FOR THE WEEK FOR NOW

30-31 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!!

SPOILERS FOR THIS WEEK'S STORY****
I'm gonna try to talk about the story without really spoiling anything, because Spoiler warnings aren't always enough to keep back curiosity... Good story. It dealt with every member of the Xanatos family in a personal way we rarely see, (And for all intents and purposes, I count Owen as a member of the Xanatos family.) Fox's reaction to the main event of the story was handled truly and well. Xanatos' attitude towards the offer also seemed to fit the character he has become, and his remarks throughout matched his normal wit. And Owen... HE had the most difficult part in the story, with the most at stake. The most to lose. But then, I suppose he also has the most to gain by not taking the offer given him? Namely, his soul. All in all, I think the whole Xanatos family was handled very well.
Angela was kind of a side thought here, but her reaction to events also seemed truthful.
Maeve's bit was well... I can't say I've really cared for too many of the Unseelie bits at any point in the series. Isn't the writer's fault in any of the cases, it's just... I don't know, I guess I'm still too used to Oberon being the most powerful thing the gargs would ever have to face. (Outside of my fics anyway.)
And then Madoc/Maddox... Well, in the last paragraph, it seems we learned Madoc's TRUE motivation behind the whole upcoming war. It'll be nice if Madoc actually wins, and then that one thing is totally denied him, as I know it will be. That'll be justice all right. Wait, that came out wrong, it wouldn't be nice if Madoc actually wins, it would be nice if when he tried to get what he seeks THAT was denied him...
END STORY SPOILERS****

Mary Sue characters- I hope I don't have any of those. None of my characters are perfect, but I won't say any more, as my stories still aren't up...

RP FOR THE WEEK**** "Jim, San Antonio is getting destroyed! Aren't you going to do anything about it?" "What can I do? I'm not a flippin' hero or anything." "But you ARE rich." "What gave you that idea?" "Um... The mansion you had before it blew up? That you were able to provide hotels for everyone after the party?" "Oh, and I suppose you think my private army of giant anime-style mecha is something only a rich person would have?" "You have what?" "Hmm, thinking about it... My private army of giant anime-style mecha COULD be helpful in fighting Godzilla and the like. Okay, I'll send them in to help." END RP**** (RPers, I won't RP any other time except the start of the week, unless something special is happening. So feel free to take whatever I start up, and USE it!)
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:08:05 AM
IP: spider-tn072.proxy.aol.com

Tenth! And Johnny Cochran is trying to possess me. Help!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:05:32 AM
IP: spider-wl033.proxy.aol.com

Sorry Puck. Sorry Brooklyn.
Selecting Puck was a reflex. I still prefer Mad Puck in the other CR.

SJ: About the movie... got me a very INTERESTING fan-fic now! <VeggieGrin>

After hearing about the later showings of Star Trek, I don't know what to do! If I am one of the first 100, I get somthing for free (Usually) but the later showing sounds cool!

Paramount is KING in tearing down fan websites! They even forced AoHell to remove every single file even REMOTELY related to Star Trek.

Brooklyn seeing the Crucifixion: Well, maybe it can be well written, in that some people are trying to PREVENT the crucifixion, and Brooklyn has to make sure that it DOES happen.
But, I have to agree with the various posters, I think it would possibly be a mistake to make that epp. Offend too many one way or the other.

Registry: Lady Mystic wants to enter, and she wants me to enter, but I personaly do not want to enter. No logical reason, I just... don't.

<>SOILER WARNING!<>
I thought it was interesting to see Owens reaction to getting his hand back. Very child like, and very... enlightening.
At first, I thought the "Offer" would be somthing different and involve a Alexander lesson or Titania.
But it turned out good this way.
<>END SOILERS WARNING!<>
(And change your clothes now, for Oberons sake!)

Gun Laws: TOTALLY against them. Currently, there are more guns out there than anyone can count. And alot are aquired illegally anyway. Even if there WAS a total and complete ban of guns, they would only prevent the honest citizens from getting guns. Crime would probally increase if that happened beacuse the criminals would know for a fact the thier prey would be unarmed.

<>PREVIOUS STORY SPOILED MILK!<>
I really think that Molly and Rory may really be a good couple.
Mortal enemies together in a relationship... go figure.
Christine: Any comments? <G>
<>END YOGURT ENDING!<>

Stormy Weather (Currently in Detroit area): Thank god for battery powered laptops and UPS battery backups!

Coyote: just catching up on the CR's. Did you ever find out about that guy? (Hit and run)
Fire Storm
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:02:45 AM
IP: dhcp180.visitus.net

Tenth, or eleventh if I'm slow! I'll have to read "Offers" tomorrow! Night all!
Mandi Ohlin
Monday, December 7, 1998 12:02:29 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

Eigth or Ninth!
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 11:52:46 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

SEVENTH!

I must say... I do like this new episode!

SJ: just saw your dad for the first time in "The Rocky Horror Picture Show."
I am fairly intelligent, and I am slightly crazy.
I have but one thing to say about that movie:
"Huh?"
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 11:13:02 PM
IP: dhcp162.visitus.net

Hello All! I'm baaccckkkk..... *Dragons, hehehehe* BTW-I'M SIXTH!!!!!!!!!!!! Must go read new ep. now. Bye.
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:58:10 PM
IP: 170-118-121.ipt.aol.com

Fifth. Everybody go see the pretty pictures. *grin*
Merlin Missy
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:55:41 PM
IP: saucer.cc.umr.edu

FIFTH !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:55:20 PM
IP: 170-230-202.ipt.aol.com

FOURTH!!

Coyote the Bando
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:50:26 PM
IP: modem73.i-is.com

HI 2nd or 3rd
lexton - [fgpape@aol.com]
SA, TX, USA
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:49:05 PM
IP: spider-tj081.proxy.aol.com

IN THE TOP TEN!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:49:03 PM
IP: spider-tn072.proxy.aol.com

Temptation is a difficult thing

"Offers"

The new Gargoyles/Pendragon episode.

Written by Melissa "Merlin Missy" Wilson with contributions by Tas "Vince" Burrfoot".

Story Idea by Kathy Pogge.

Illustrations by Amber.

Enjoy!
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Sunday, December 6, 1998 10:44:56 PM
IP: pool0033-max7.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net