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Hmmm...why not?

The Children of Oberon VS The Shadows -- This one is harder than I thought it'd be...there are a lot of variables. Do the Shadows get to use their ships? Does the battle take place off Avalon?

Darth Vader VS King Arthur -- Hmmm... lightsaber verse Excalibur. I'd have to say Excalibur would triumpth, but Darth's got the advantage of The Force, so Arthur would lose.

Coyote 6.0 VS Galvatron -- Don't know who/what Galvatron is, but knowing Coyote's track record he probably wouldn't win.

Unicron VS the Death Star -- Don't know who/what Unicron is.

Madoc Morfryn VS Lorien -- Lorien is older and wiser, as for his powers, he didn't use them much but that doesn't mean he couldn't disintegrate Madoc in an instant. Winner is Lorien.

Duncan Macleod VS Macbeth -- Is Duncan the guy from Highlander? Same song, same tune... Macbeth would win.

Bill Clinton VS Oberon -- Oberon.

Duval VS the Cigarrette Smoking Man -- Duval, whether it be man-to-man or society-to-society.

Bester VS Emperor Palpatine -- Palpatine can shoot lightning, but Bester could probably fry his mind... I'd say Bester.

President Sheridan VS Captain Picard -- Sheridan, he's younger and thus in better condition than Picard, and even if it were a battle of wits instead of brawn, I think Sheridan would still win, though Picard wouldn't be a pushover.

Saddam Hussein VS Thailog -- Thailog.

Carnage VS Goliath -- I'm not very familiar with Spiderman, but I get the impression Carnage is a mutating, alien lifeform... so I'd have to say Carnage, unless there's something I don't know.

Homer Simpson VS Vinnie -- Vinnie, he has a bazooka.

Owen VS Mr. Morden -- Owen, Morden is nothing more than a well-dressed twerp without the Shadows backing him up.
Entity
Sunday, December 13, 1998 04:11:14 PM
IP: ely-oh3-52.ix.netcom.com

::Looks at the fights at the bottom of the Comment Room::

Here are some fights of my own.

The Children of Oberon VS The Shadows

Darth Vader VS King Arthur

Coyote 6.0 VS Galvatron

Unicron VS the Death Star

Madoc Morfryn VS Lorien

Duncan Macleod VS Macbeth

Bill Clinton VS Oberon

Duval VS the Cigarrette Smoking Man "My secret organization can beat your secret organization any day!"

Bester VS Emperor Palpatine

President Sheridan VS Captain Picard

Saddam Hussein VS Thailog

Carnage VS Goliath

Homer Simpson VS Vinnie

Owen VS Mr. Morden
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 03:38:17 PM
IP: spider-we042.proxy.aol.com

Todd: Thanks! No, not of late, but I've always liked Blackadder and yes, that did spring to mind when I wrote that! ;)
ED
Sunday, December 13, 1998 03:10:47 PM
IP: p08-puffback-gui.tch.virgin.net

Welcome back, Ed! Been watching "Black Adder" lately? :) (Your use of the words "cunning plan" made me think of that).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 13, 1998 03:02:23 PM
IP: pn5-ppp-226.primary.net

I haven’t posted in here for ages… some of that time with my computer broken, and some of it just not having time. So, briefly…

***SPOILERS!! THOUGH NOT MANY OF THEM…***

New TGS eps: Everything of late has been grand. The death of Renard was well done, but all the possibilities it untangled… delightful. I can’t remember which episode now, but I’m sure one of the eps mentioned the ‘London Times’. There isn’t (or at least as far as I’m aware) a Times for London. There are odd little ‘Times’ local papers for boroughs, but a proper newspaper like that, no. Just the normal ‘The Times’. But obviously all the big papers here are national papers. There was something else that escapes me now. Anyway, that’s just picking ridiculously insignificant nits. It’s great stuff, keep it going! ^_^

***SPOILERS END HERE!***

Todd: You could do that, but you could also simply have a word of explanation as to the purpose of this room at the top of the page. Apart from the odd donut who’ll ignore it, that should filter most of the chatters. Although it also might be an idea to ask Gorebash for a TGS chat room if there really is a demand. Or link to the one on S8.

Mystique: Their absence is a cunning plan to keep us all in suspense. :)

(is it my imagination or are there tonnes more colours than when last I looked?)
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:55:25 PM
IP: p03-puffback-gui.tch.virgin.net

DURID - For goodness' sake, please work on your spelling! No offence, but I found it very difficult to read your posts because of all the spelling errors in them.

One snag with the Illuminati Conspiracy Theory: it doesn't explain the Illuminati being given a prominent role in "To Serve Mankind", and as a thoroughly evil group of arms merchants motivated solely by greed. I doubt that the Illuminati would want something like that to happen.

As for Oberon - more about this when the comment room is cleared, including my personal take on the reason for his arrogance (and that of a lot of his Children).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:39:06 PM
IP: pn5-ppp-226.primary.net

***STAR TREK: INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

Before I say anything, I should probably tell you that I'm in a minority. I didn't like "First Contact" one bit. Fortunately, though, "Insurrection" was an improvement. The humor was good, but it would've been better if it hadn't substituted for character development. The plot was decent, and reminded me of an ep of the original series (which was what the critics were saying), though that also has a downside to it -- the film is too self-contained, like an off-shoot adventure that doesn't tie up any old plot threads or create any new ones. But it was enjoyable. The other thing I didn't like was that they still haven't bothered to explain the relationship (or lack thereof) between Worf and Troi. The book "Imzadi II" explains it, but illiterates out there who don't keep up with the novels are left in the dark...

I liked the iscolinear (sp?) taggers, those were cool. And the sub-space weaponry was a nice touch. :)

Anyone else think the Admiral's death scene was a tad graphic for a ST movie? Hmmm...

***END SPOILERS***
Entity
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:28:30 PM
IP: ely-oh3-07.ix.netcom.com

<I> <B> WHAT HAPPENED TO DARK AGES AND TIMEDANCER?!?!!!!</I> </B>
Mystique
NYC, NJ, Canada
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:44:48 PM
IP: ip246.newark3.nj.pub-ip.psi.net

Sorry for the triple post, but one more example.

Oberon: When he was nearly destroyed by the iron bell, but shown mercy by the Avalon clan, he wasn't angry, but rather surprised at this show of mercy, and so gave it in return. This shows that though Oberon is extreamly arrgonat, he is basically an honorable being.
Durid
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:12:33 PM
IP: dialupd162.mpls.uswest.net

*creeps in*

Thank you everyone. But actually, I turned 16.

*creeps out*
Mary Flanders
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:11:22 PM
IP: ramp-1-27.ucdavis.edu

It's doing it again!!! Why can't I post even moderate length commets?

FIGHTS:
Aiden vs. Emreys: Emereys, he may not have all the power he used to have, but what he does have is 1500 years of experiacne, where Aiden is only like 25 years old, and has been spellcasting for only a few. The fight would end with Aiden trying to get a gob of Duct-tape or Caramel out of her mouth.

TARDIS vs. Pheonx Gate: TARDIS, it can actually cange time, nuff said.

Great, out of time, and can only read a little of the CR! Ah well,

Totureing Chacters: I know this started with Lex only being totured, but I have to put my 2c in here. When you toture a chacter, emotionally or physically, this is usually the best way to show what your chacter is really made of, and make it a turning point in that chacters life.
Example: When Demona viewed the remains of the Wyvern Masscare, she treid to run form her guilt instead of faceing it and Goliath. This running from her guilt has been one of the main motoviations of Demona for the rest of her life.
Example: When Goliath believed that he had lost his love for a second time in his life (last episode of Awakeing), he was going to kill Xanatos. He picked the just awakeing Xanatos and held him over the edge of the castle, saying, "She wanted me to kill humanity. I'll start with you." And he would have done it if his clan had not shown him that this was wrong. Goliath is a Warrior and leader, first and foremost. When something bad happens, he faces it and does something about it, hopefully doing the right thing.

***plug*** Just wondering, since my e-mail seems to be on the fritz, what do you think of my stories? Somebody gave them a 3.5 rating (Dark Future) and a 4.5 (AU - Reawakeing). ***endplug***

***The shadows once again move from their corners, taking Durid with them.***
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:03:36 PM
IP: dialupd162.mpls.uswest.net

***The shadows move from their corners, and when they return Durid is standing before you.***

Ok, problems with my connection seem to be mostly solved, I hope my e-mail is partly, at least I got a SPAM today.... Let's see what is going on, and if Krystina is back yet.

Fluer: No, I didn't recive your e-mail. A black hole seems to be orbiting my box or something...

Robby: My CONSPIRACY THEORY? Ok, it goes like this. Gargoyles was ruined in the third season because of the Illuminiti. Greg's show was becoming popluar, and it had the illuminiti as a major force on the show. They didn't want that sort of attetion, more people would be searching for signs of them about, and make it that much more likely that they would be exposed.
So to solve thei problem, they started 'influencing' the producers (blackmail, bribes, 'suggestions' wispered into their ears, etc.) to purposly ruin Gargoyles. That way, not even other small priducers would try to make Greg's Gargoyles into a show again.

Durid - [durid@bitstream.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:01:46 PM
IP: dialupd162.mpls.uswest.net

ACK! Sorry everyone, please send me your PAIN info at this address! I screwed up the last one.

What's face & heel> Face is a "Good Guy" fighter. Heel is a "Bad Guy" fighter.

Don't forget to check out the web site either.

Thanks all
dojinick - [dojinick@yahoo.com]
MD
Sunday, December 13, 1998 11:32:47 AM
IP: 207-172-148-220.s29.as3.anp.erols.com

**RP ALERT!!**

Doug and his strike team, now disguised as employees of the Marsh Industries Corporation, have entered the company's San Antonio office building. The rest of the group is waiting for them outside in the Onslaught and their other vehicles, ready to come in and help at the first sign of trouble. The Ravens inside easily bypass security with their illusory disguises and stolen cards, then take the elevator up to the 68th floor (of 70). Once there, they find the computer mainframe room (once again it is clearly marked). Doug walks in and tells the guards and technicians inside that he, as executive VP, is preforming a suprise system diagnostic check. He motions to his team to set up their equipment. Doug then tells the real Marsh employees in the room to take the rest of the day off. They all shake their heads, wondering what happened to their boss. But they then smile and walk out, happy to go home to their families. Doug turns to the Ravens' hacker. "How long, Gubio?" "Depends on their system's level of security and how much junk data I have to wade through. With five hundred terrabytes of memory here, I'd say two hours tops." He hooks up his laptop and goes to work; Shap, Keith, and Lathrop meanwhile start packing away the piles of system backup disks in case they don't get time to look at all the data on the computer. Kitainia, Stephanie, Ravyn, and Methos keep watch at the security monitors and doors. While he's waiting for Gubio to find the data they need, Doug turns to make a CR post.

**PAUSE RP**

DumlaoX: With your permission, Kitainia and I would like to make one final change to the one-RP-post-per-person-per-day rule. If it's the day the room gets wiped, each person may make two RP posts, provided one is before the room gets wiped and the other is after. Sound okay?

Aris: I'm glad you posted that commentary. It got me interested in reading the story. I had a lot of major Athenaverse catching-up to do. Now I'm all caught up, and even more eager to read more stories. C'mon and show us more, Ryan, Jewel, etc!

Cyrway: I wanted to shoot Cartman when he came on screen like that, I hated that preview. Needless to say, I'm not a South Park fan and I won't be seeing their movie. In fact, I'm planning to kill off the four kids, plus Jimbo and Ned, in the RP later. I hope nobody gets mad at me for it. :)

Coldstone: Like Kitainia said, we'll be happy to do cards for you. Just send the descriptions our way.

DojiNick: Welcome back! I sent you an e-mail of a PAIN character. Please let me know if you got it. Also, what does Face or Heel mean?

Mandi and Deuce: I'll miss you both for the time you're gone. Merry Christmas.

Coyote: Thanks for answering my pic question. Good reasons.

Teasers: I'm sorry, I was just dying to find out as much about the new ep as I could before it went up. <grin> I bet Herne and his troops will appear in this one. That should be interesting.

***FANFIC PLUGS/TEASERS/SPOILERS***

In my fanfic saga, I have Herne punished for his part in the first Unseelie War with eternal (or at least until Madoc and the others get their powers back) transformation into the legendary white stag. Fitting that he became the ultimate quarry rather than the ultimate hunter. :) Wonder if that really happened in TGS.

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering, I'm about 1/4 of the way through my latest ("Brooklyn at Camelot"). This will be a big one, revealing Duval's true identity and where most of the Unseelie are in my universe. Agony, Seth, and Brooklyn will be in there. So will Arthur, Merlin, Maeve, Duval, and many more! Traveler will be glad to know I'll have a dragon appear in one scene. Now that I have tantalized my fans, on to other things.

***FANFIC PLUGS/TEASERS/SPOILERS END***

Jaden: Good luck with your finals. We'll miss you, too. $Good idea you had for the RP, sorry we couldn't go through with it. But you'll have to create a diversion real soon. Don't worry. <maniacal laughter> $

Happy Birthday to Mary!!

Welcome Brooklyn!! Don't worry, you're not the first to mistake this place for a chat room.

Wilek: $ Here's a card for Raoul:
Stats: Energy 4, Fighting 7, Strength 6, Intellect 3.
Specials (*=OPD): Pounce (Level 4 Fighting attack, may make one additional attack); Stinger (Level 5 Strength or Fighting attack); Acid Spit* (Level 8 Energy attack, may only be blocked by a defensive special); Skull-Crushing Bite* (Level 10 Strength attack); Jump-and-Dodge (avoid one attack); Regeneration (remove 1 permanent record hit).
Seeing the Alien movies helped with that one. :) $

Ash: Welcome to you, too. Killed any more zombies lately? (Wait a minute, you probably aren't THAT Ash. :)

Green Baron: Glad your date went so well. I wish you continual luck with the relationship in the future. Jessica sounds like a very nice girl, and right for you. :) $I'm also glad you took out Jerry Springer. He's my least favorite talk show host. Wonder when Sister Sue and the Orange Duke will make their plots known in the regular RP, if ever. (hint hint) $

To get to my site, click my name below. (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/7293/)

Okay, that's all for now. Later!

**RP RESUMES!!**

Gubio has by now gotten around on all the security viruses and firewalls. He is scanning the system for interesting files. "Alright, full schematics of all the technologies they have license to," he says with a grin. "I'll copy these onto a CD." He does so, pockets the CD, and then keeps looking. "Hmm, the secret diaries of Roger Marsh. Better have a look at that file." He calls it up and begins saving it onto his laptop. Doug's comlink beeps at that moment. "Yeah?" he says into it. "Doug, it's Jammer. We got a problem." "What?" "Jeeper and some of the other bikers stole my car and have all the hostages in it. He's called the Mayor of San Antonio and demanded ninety million dollars for their release. Cobra is pissed as hell, it's taking all of us to keep him from rushing to go pound them. We've been trying to talk some sense into the bikers, no luck. We may need to take them out, as much as I hate to shoot at my own teammates." Doug lets off a string of curses. "Has he identified the hostages and blown our cover?" "Yes." "Oh shoot!" Several Marsh security guards rush into the room and proceed to do so. The Ravens dispel their illusions and begin fighting back as the screen goes out. To be continued!!

**END RP!**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 08:34:58 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zoy-vty23.as.wcom.net

Mary>> <Boy, I feel so grown up. I don't know whether to scream with fear or laugh with happiness.> Laugh, it's so much easier to deal with, especially when you have to learn how to balance that sucker every month. :-) Happy 17th and only four more to go before your legal.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:47:57 AM
IP: proxy-331.public.rwc.webtv.net

**RP WARNING**
Jerry Springer arrives in the CR, hearing about the recent flame war and tries to re-start. As soon as he tries to talk to the two parties involved, the Catholic Schoolgirl Scouts appear. Jerry runs into a secluded corner of the room while trying to offer them a post with specially scripted parts, but they won't listen. Instead, they blast him with their special rosary powers, until he is reduced to palm dust
**END RP WARNING**

Hello all. I've been a wee bit busy over the weekend, but now I can post.

My date> For those who are interested, it was a great evening. First, Jessica and I went to see a play my sister was managing, a Tuna Christmas, which was set in a small town in Texas named Tuna (does such a town exist, Spike or Robby?), which was hillarious. Next, we took the streetcar all the way downtown, where we went to the Riverwalk and watched the Mississippi River for about an hour. Then I took her aboard the Algeirs Ferry, which takes us from downtown to the Algeirs, a part of the West Bank. By that time, it was midnight, so we took the street car back home (we both live in uptown New Orleans and along the streetcar line). I had a wonderful time, and so did she. It's been over a year since I've had a girlfriend, but now I have one again. I can't wait to see what we do for the next date. Jessica and I played this one by ear. A new concept for a left brainer like me :)

Mary> Happy 17th. Bank accounts are great. I've had one since I was born,a nd I was always enjoyed making deposits in them. A really neat thing is to save up your pennies until you get $1,000. Then, put it into a Money Market Fund with your bank. They offer a slightly better yield than a standard bank account, and you can wirte a limited number of checks each month, but I think you need to mainatin $1,000 at all times, though you may need that for College. Anyway, they are great things to ahve in this time. I have a Savings, Checking, and Investment account, and once I get a job again, I will start filling up all three coffers :)

Robby> I didn't start dating until I was 17, and then it was sporaidc at best. After my first break up, it took me a year to start dating again,a nd that trend has followed eevr since. I just hope this relationship lasts longer than a few months, and it seems likely. Unlike my last girlfriend, Jessica is much more moral and she likes cats. She also finds it hillarious that my cat is a Minister.

Cyrway> I feel sorry for Wagner after you made him do the German dance. Now he needs some special Bavarian cheesy poofs :)

Doug> Thanks for the invitation of good luck, I think ;) I haven't seen your site. Did you post a link?
$Don't forget to grab some paste picante in San Antonio$

DumaloX> I hope your finals go well. I imagine you didn't need that when you saw the CR. I hope it's okay if I kill Jerry Springer in the RPs :)

Deuce> When was the alst time you dated? When I ws 14, I was much too nervous to ask any girl out.

Stormy> I guess I should give Sadaam Hussein a nice can of refried beans, since Terrence and Philip have demonstarted ho wuseful such food is in saving Canada from smelly Turkish dictators:)
BTW, my roomate loved that episode. He preferred it to the regular SP, because they didn't make fun of Jesus. His name is Kyle, so I occassionally tease him by calling him Kyle Brozlofski.

**RESUME RP**
Jerry Springer is now dusted, and thousands applaus his demise. The Catholci schoolgirl scouts look at the time and Ave Mara says, "It's almost 8:30. We need to get back home to pray the Rosary and then watch South Park."
Therese's only comment is, "Yeah! Kickass!"
**END RP WARNING**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:13:55 AM
IP: 212-53-36.ipt.aol.com

Gargoyles card game? Use the Illuminati: New World Order card game. It rocks! :)
Ash
Sunday, December 13, 1998 02:54:19 AM
IP: ps1he.ss.wave.shaw.ca

24-25 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!

DumlaoX- I think its safe to say it was just a slow day. Though it would have been fun if everyone else had decided to go with the gag and not post at all for the day except for one line comments... Hey guys, lets try that April 1rst, if any of us remember to!

***STAR TREK 9 SPOILERS?***
Aris- I disagree, the humor was one of the best parts of ST:I. similar to how great it was in in the fourth and eigth films.. Becuase if ST:I hadn't had any of that humor, it would have been a very boring film indeed, like every other big budget movie filled with explosions. I did have a problem with Data being the only one to get any of the REALLY good lines tho'... (Yeah, Riker got that bit in with why he shaved his beard off, and Picard got one or two, and Worf was the butt of a few jokes, but Data got almost all the great and memorable lines, including the one when he came out of the hay...)

On the other hand, the movie did have a problem in the aspect that Gates McFadden, Marina Sirtis, and Levarr Burton all again got dissed in respect to having an important part... Ah well, Patrick Stewart has sworn up and down that this is his last Trek outing so next movie the other characters may get a bigger bit of the spotlight without Picard in there...

***END STAR TREK 9 SPOILERS***

Doug- Teasers? Don't encourage them! They've already teased us last week about Monday's story, we don't need another teaser!

Spike- Oh, a teaser. See Doug? See what you did? Now I'm really starting to hope its the story where Griff returns to Brianna! And I'm going to look a fool for posting that guess if I'm totally wrong! See what you did Doug?

Mary- Happy B-day!

Brooklyn- You couldn't have picked a better screen name. The beaked one is my favorite garg... Lurk for a few days, and you'll get the feel of this place. And... WELCOME TO THE MADNESS!

Gee, that "Welcome to the Madness" bit... Didn't I say that twice just the other day?
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 01:50:33 AM
IP: spider-ta084.proxy.aol.com

***RP WARNING!!!***

At Thailog's secret base, the Masked Lich is discussing the results of their most recent failed operation with Thailog, Guod, Asil, the old Russian man in a wheelchair (Gennady Bucharev), and General Zale. "So your hypnotism plan failed?" Thailog asks M.L. "Give me one good reason to let you live." "Because I'm even more powerful now and I can still be of use to you," M.L. snaps back. "Undeath has made something very clear to me. The only thing keeping us from world conquest is that the Black Ravens and their friends are still alive. Therefore we must kill them. Once we do, the plan will easily proceed." "Finally," Asil grins. "You're seeing things my way!" "I have a plan to eliminate them," M.L. goes on. "Give me some of Guod's elite Borg, any more of the Ravens' old enemies you have remaining, and that book we found in Area 51's Storage Room 3A. We shall then go forth and destroy them all." Guod thinks for a moment. "I've just lost a lot of Borg up on the Dark Star, and my four top lieutenants are all still recovering from the wounds suffered in their last battle with the Ravens. I don't know how many more I can spare. Oh fine, I'll give you Borg Kyler and the four brats he picked up in that small town a few days ago. And their two rather heavily armed relatives. Use them well." "I'll send Vijay (evil Indonesian bully Doug met in Taiwan), Ms. Teppen (b&*%h principal of Kitainia's), Melanie, Clayton (another wicked ex of Doug's and her jerk boyfriend), Grant (a grade school arch-nemesis of Tricia's), Preston, Cora (the maid who stole Doug's toy collection when he was thirteen), and her two burglar pals with you," says Asil. "I want to hold the others in reserve." "Deal," M.L. smirks. "Bucharev, your spy better keep us posted on their activities. Let's get on to San Antonio and find them. I'll go get the book."

The screen changes to the hotel, where Doug is talking to Jaden. "A small diversion is a good idea," he says. "Certainly easier than our current plan. But diversions only last so long and we don't how long Gubio will need to find what he needs in their systems. Therefore, we need to use our current plan. This way, they won't know what's happening until it's too late and we can still accomplish our mission." Jaden nods, understanding the reason behind the plan. Kitainia is meanwhile talking to Janice, assuring her that the crimes they're committing to break into the Marsh Building are very necessary. After Janice nods, writes a few things on her clipboard, and then walks away, Kitainia breathes a sigh of relief and turns to face the CR.

***PAUSE RP***

$That was not easy. Oh well, at least she got convinced. Now if the plan will just go off right.$

Doug: What are you talking about? They've been giving us teasers! Thank you for them, Spike! It sounds like it'll be a great episode.

Mandi and Deuce: Miss you both. Come back real soon, okay?

Aris: The bad humor was one of my main beefs with the movie. Glad you mentioned it.

StephenRS: We're actually doing the cards for ourselves and anyone who asks nicely. Since you already have, we'll be glad to do some for you. Feel free to send Doug or me the descriptions.

DojiNick: Welcome back! Long time no see! Thanks for your PAIN game offer, Doug will be mailing you stats for his character Agony (who he wants in there) in a few minutes.

OP vs. Magic: Doug and I like OverPower mostly because of the simple rules. If someone wants to make Gargoyles character cards for Magic or any other game, feel free. We're not going for a monopoly here, after all. It's best if one can have Gargoyles character cards for whatever game they prefer, should they want them.

Coyote: $I also like your freaks. Do whatever you like with them. $

New Austin Powers Movie: We didn't see the preview for it here. Hope it's as good as the first one (with less sex humor) and that they bring back Scott.

Mary: Happy Birthday!! I too am wondering when the new issue of Avalon Mists will be up.

Wilek: Your stats were selected based on what Doug and I thought you have as far as energy, fighting ability, strength, and intellect on a scale of 2-8. They have nothing to do with any evil clones or superstitiously bad numbers. It's the same for all the cards we make.

Okay, that's all for now. Later!

***RP AGAIN!***

Cobra walks up to Kitainia and hands her a wallet. "We snatched nine employees' wallets. You're an executive secretary named Mira Cassady. Keith's a janitor, Gubio's a supervising computer tech, and Doug's Daniel Kilmer, Marsh's executive vice president. Lathrop's his bodyguard. The rest are various low-level employees." Kitainia nods. "Okay, sounds like these cards should give us pretty high-level clearance. What about the people you took them from?" "Jeeper thought they might report the thefts, he's probably right. So we've taken them all prisoner. They're in the back of the Onslaught tied up. We can release them after we've completed the mission." "Alright," Kitainia nods, pocketing the wallet. "Let's get over there. You're sure Jeeper and the rest of your gang won't try anything funny with the hostages? I know how paranoid Jeeper is and how devious." "He better not," Cobra growls. "He does, and I'll pop him." "Good enough," says Kitainia. The screen fades out. To be continued.

***END RP!!!***
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:55:39 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ppk-vty46.as.wcom.net

**RP (AND NAUSEATING GRAPHIC VIOLENCE)!**

[Wilek and the team are in the process of helping the Dark Star's newly acquired Borg shock troops and scuttlers drive off Zale's forces and Jerec's Dark Jedi. Forfexx: "Hm, I've been dying to try this..." Forfexx shifts to his liquid metal form and leaps down the throat of one of Zale's troops. The soldier tries to breathe for a moment, not being able to inhale since his lungs are full of Forfexx...then the shapeshifter bursts a liquid metal tentacle-drill out of the trooper's throat and drills it through his eye socket into his brain. Wilek: "ECCH! That's the sickest thing I've ever seen! What the <expletive deleted> is WRONG with you?!" Forfexx (while he's burrowing out of the trooper's chest): "Heh heh heh...that's nothing, You should see me when I'm feeling REALLY creative." W: "Ew, I just don't want to know. Yeesh."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Doug> $ I don't know a thing about OP (or any other card game), but I think the cards you've been making are extremely kewl anyhow; that's why I've been saving them. I LOVED mine, especially the way you incorporated my changing-into-a-human-during-the-day condition and such. Quite creative. (Some of the specials probably only apply in the RP and not in my fanfics {at least not yet}, but hey I'm not complaining! :D Hm, my stats abbreviate to 4-6-6-6. Something to do with being the 'original' of Dark Mage Wilek?) $

**SPOILERS FOR MY FANFICS**

Torturing characters in fanfic> The character I do that to is myself. And I never even realized it till just now. Look at what I've gotten into so far: I almost drowned in my own blood in my first fic and I was drunk for most of my second. And I plan to keep doing things like this. I don't know why.

**END SPOILERS**

Deuce> YOU'RE leaving too?! ACK! They're dropping like flies, going down left and right! Our room is dying around us and we're powerless to prevent it! ACK ACK ACK AAAACCCCKKKK!!!!

Cyrway> LOL at what you did to Wagner! (I'm sure I've heard that 'I will do the German dance for you' thing somewhere...)

Brooklyn> Are you THE Brooklyn? :P Kidding. Welcome! We tend to frown upon sanity here; do please leave it at home, or at least keep it in a sound-proof container. :D (My sanity actually committed suicide a few months ago.)

dojinick> Welcome back!

Mary Flanders> Happy birthday!

**RESUME RP (AND GRAPHIC VIOLENCE)!**

[The fight continues. This time, Forfexx shifts his right arm into a diamond-blade thingcutter and saws a trooper's arm off, then beats him to death with it. W: "OK, you're officially insane." Thanks Aris! :) W (continued): "Hey...does anyone remember what I did with my Resurrect Three card from a few weeks ago?" Miriam: "Aren't you carrying it?" W: "No. Are any of you?" Everyone says they aren't. W: "The last I saw of it was at the party...uh oh..."

Meanwhile, in Thailog's secret base, SJ's dad is wondering why Thailog had him gather the remains of three of Wilek's clones that were killed a few months ago...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:51:19 PM
IP: tnt-2-112-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

*creeps in*

Howdy all! Yesterday was my birthday!!!!!!!! *balloons and confetti fall from the ceiling* (ahem) anyway, my parents open an acount for me to put the $50 that my aunt sent me. Boy, I feel so grown up. I don't know whether to scream with fear or laugh with happiness. I got some nice stuff too.

Christine>when is the new issue of Avalon Mists gonna be up? We're all dying with anticipation!!!!!

*Creeps out*

Mary Flanders
Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:46:12 PM
IP: ramp-1-12.ucdavis.edu

****SHORT RP!!!****
"Doug, perhaps it would be easier is we could create a small diversion. That way everyone will be too busy running around trying to figure out what's going on rather than give you any trouble."
****END SHORT RP****

Just thought I'd stop by and tell everyone that I won't be here very much till Wednesday since I have finals (AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH).

Insurrection: hee hee ha haa haa HHHHAAA HA HA!! That conversation between Data and Worf was funny.

Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:38:38 PM
IP: pm1-16.sma.silcom.com

**RP!!!!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote and the Gearhead doing a 29-point check over the tank before heading out to the Marsh building. The sound of the elevator opening distracts them both, as they see Jojo come down.**

What's up, Jojo?

<"I'm thirsty ..." "When is he not ...?">

Come on, man, be nice! **turns to Jojo** I've got a cooler of Faygo in the tank, help yourself.

<"Cool!"> **Jojo jumps into the tank, followed by the sounds of loud swallowing.**

Good, he's satisfied. Keep doing the inspection, man. I've got comments to make.

**END 1ST HALF RP!!**

**BEGIN DISCUSSION ABOUT ST: INSURRECTION**

Previews: We got to the theater once they had started ... the only one I seem to recall was ... the "STAR WARS" TRAILER!! YESSS!!!

**composes self**

Sorry. But that's gonna be one kick-@$$ movie!!

Fire Storm: The theater I always go to is Chesterfield Crossing 12. And the audience reaction to Data's line nearly drowned out the soundtrack for about thirty seconds.
Although ... I'm thinking that I'll go to the Star at 15 and Gratiot to see "Star Wars."
Best subtly funny part of the movie: Picard finally admitting how much shore leave he's got coming. ;)

**END TALK OF ST:INSURRECTION**

Wilek: I can see why you like that pic.

Doug: $Actually, I considered "traditional" freaks like the Bearded Lady, but then figured that I would want to be with truly *unusual* freaks like our friend Jojo in the tank, or Harry.$
And I picked the picture because:
1. I happen to have a soft spot for Lex, too. I'm not just a Broadway fan, Lex is the one I really feel for, I empathize with him for some reason, especially the way a lot of fic writers write him (like Spike.).
2. I named the car after him. Obvious one.
3. The pose he's in reminds me a lot of the throbbing migraine I give myself on a regular basis just dealing with people ... in my job, on the road, whatever. Sometimes I wish I could just curl up and press my temples until the world goes away ... probably about the time I crush my own skull. (j/k)

Cyrway: I never said there was anything wrong with torture. I just don't do it ... *yet.* Keep reading, eventually you'll see what happens to *my* Lexington.

**RESUME RP!!!**

<"The tank checks out, boss. Everything's up to milspecs.">

Thank you.

<BELLLLLLLLCH!!! "What ... the ... *hell* was that?!">

Jojo? You okay in there?

**Jojo climbs out of the tank, his tongue hanging out of his mouth.**

<"Excuse me. Oh, and I'm not thirsty anymore ...">

That's good. Must've been all the carbonation in the Faygo, it finally satisfied him.

**Jojo climbs out of the tank, toward Coyote and the Gearhead. He pulls out a 6-quart canteen and begins drinking again as the screen winks out.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, December 12, 1998 10:27:40 PM
IP: modem87.i-is.com

It's been a while since I've made my way back to this room.

TGS writers> LOVE SEASON 2! ROCK ON!!!

Christine> When are new fanfics coming out?!? I love your stuff!

If we are are the topic of creating cards for Gargoyle characters why not use Magic and L5R instead of Overpower? I like Overpower but I think it lack on freedom to really personalize the characters. Give me feedback

***SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT***
Wanna be part of a on-line wrestling/brawling league? Join PAIN (The Game of Damage). Anyone can enter and it's FREE! No hidden charges, no membership fee. NO COST. Click on the link to go to the home webpage and/or send me an e-mail for your character. All you need to do is answer the following(nothing personal)

Name of Fighter:
M/F:
Heel or Face:
Special Move:
Special Weapon:
Bio (short or long):

I promise to e-mail back any other info that is needed if interested.
***END OF SHAMELESS PLUG***
dojinick - [dojinnick@yahoo.com]
East Coast
Saturday, December 12, 1998 10:23:58 PM
IP: 207-172-149-94.s31.as5.anp.erols.com

DumlaoX: THIS link should work.
A complete zip archive of the CR's.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 09:24:32 PM
IP: 209.117.148.152

Starsinger enters the comment room floating on air.
It was a long tiring day at work and I almost decided not to go to the Christmas Renfaire. I did anyway. Ann Marie was there and I ordered my picture. She does fantasy art and I and everyone else in town hadn't seen or hear from her for years. She was there. My picture of Bast will be arriving sometime in January. The picture shows a stone goddess Bast with a black cat curled up in her lap. It is just too precious. The other one I want for my birthday is the Temple of Bast where everyone is dancing outside Bast's temple.

Little sister got her webtv hooked up and I'm just a button away now.

Starsinger floats back out.

Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 09:06:48 PM
IP: proxy-341.public.rwc.webtv.net

Doug: Just hit me, your Overpower Cards... Are you just doing this for yourself, or can anyone get a card made for themselves or one of their Fanfic characters? Be nice to see how my main characers (Jessica & David DeGuy, Roxy, Mike McCoy, Rat, and Stephen Edwards) stand up in that game. Care to take them on? I'll send you descripts by email if you wish.

Spike> I am looking forward to the new ep!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, December 12, 1998 08:38:48 PM
IP: m25.ieway.com

BROOKLYN - This is a comment room, not a chat room. (There are times when I can't help wondering if we should change the name of this place from the "TGS Comment Room" to the "TGS Not-A-Chat Room", but that would probably make things too confusing).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 12, 1998 08:14:38 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-152.primary.net

Hello
Brooklyn
Saturday, December 12, 1998 07:47:06 PM
IP: 207-172-73-128.s128.tnt1.man.erols.com

Hi?
Brooklyn
Saturday, December 12, 1998 07:46:00 PM
IP: 207-172-73-128.s128.tnt1.man.erols.com

There's hunters in the woods......

...."My Lady Fair" finds out who in two more days.
Spike
Saturday, December 12, 1998 06:19:25 PM
IP: dal-as3-2102.cmpu.net

An Austin Powers 2 preview with ST:I? Odd.... (I've heard the tentative title is "The Spy Who Shagged Me". Hehehehe...). Our previews were for "Varsity Blues", "The Mod Squad" (both must-see movies), and another one I forget. No Star Wars. :-P

Anyone here familiar with the programming language of a TI-83 calculator? Like, REALLY familiar?

ROBBY> Got the list. Many thanks.

Now, the bad news: I may or may not be posting to the room next week, due to severe intrusion of RL (nothing I will go into here). There is a good chance I will be able to do nothing but lurk until the start of Christmas vacation. We'll see on Monday, but in case this is my last post, take care of yourselves. See ya!

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, City of Champions, Canada
Saturday, December 12, 1998 05:50:48 PM
IP: ppp080.connect.ab.ca

Hmph...

ST:IX INSURRECTION SPOILER!!!

I thought it was good. Not as good as my favourite, First Contact, but good enough, especially the gag about the boobs...

I think the best part of the movie was one of the previews...the most hi-tech animation of all time...

CARTMAN: Damn, I'm huge!

I will do the German Dance for you...*starts dancing, then stops.* Heh...South Park. I'm there...

END SPOILER!!!

Heh, back to serious stuff...right...

Coyote, Re: Torturing the shrimp: So? We gave Lex a mate and kid...never stopped us from torturing him...of course, Chimura just so happens to be a technophobe...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TORTURE!!!

*Wagner sulks out, wearing leiterhosen.*
WAGNER: Why me?
CYRWAY: This is to make up for when you had me swear "Mein Gott!" while talking to Jenny...
WAGNER: No fair!
CYRWAY: No fair nothing. Start dancing.
*Wagner sighed, and starts dancing.*
CYRWAY: Sing.
WAGNER: "I will do the German dance for you..."

I spare no one.

WAGNER: I'm not even one of your characters...
CYRWAY: Did I tell you to stop dancing and singing?
WAGNER: Somewhere in Canada, I bet Stormy's torturing Caligo just as bad...
CYRWAY: Cal's a big boy...he can take care of himself...

I'm having way too much fun here...

Valete! *ptoof!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 05:23:15 PM
IP: ddialup-w-141.mint.net

Yeah, people, let's get the discussion moving, why don't we?

*** SPOILERS ABOUT INSURRECTION ***

I've not yet seen the movie, nor shall I for a while until it comes to my country, but I've read a synopsis and I've heard a lot of things said in a Trek board I am a regular in, etc...

Anyway I think the movie has two main problems: a) The bad humour b) The overuse of many TNG cliches.

Think about it: We have a crew-against-Data plot, we have an alien-love-interest-of-the-week, we have a stupid admiral, we have a planet=one village, we have the prime-directive reference.

From the comments I've gathered from others it seems to be disliked most by Trek fans, but liked by outsiders. Trek fans know that Trek has done far better than this, and they know that those plot-elements have been overused. Non-trekkers don't.

Anyway, the above is just a guess since as I said I haven't yet seen the movie.

*** END SPOILERS FOR INSURRECTION ***

Btw, for those interested in the Athenaverse, Jewel Faulkner recently posted her two new stories in the Lux Perpetua series. A lot of stuff happens and...


*** BEGIN SPOILERS FOR JEWEL FAULKNER'S STORIES ***

... and the story becomes at the same time more complicated and more simple. One character dies, this time for the final time, but two more (whose coming had been foretold) are born, Christian, the son of Shiva, and Hope, the daughter of Erika and Alexander. We have finally an explanation for how Puck knew when and where to go, so atleast *that* plot-hole is filled, becoming a plot-point rather. We have a lot more stuff concerning Ma'at. Mark Adams has a welcome reappearance. We learn what happens to Ares after the incomplete 'Stitch in Time', though not how. And Athena also comes back, but how is again an open question.

And ofcourse, as usual with Jewel Faulkner, there's a lot of opera, and a lot of singing, and something new: religious references and imagery.

And I *still* haven't given the feedback to the writer I had been meaning to write.

**** END SPOILERS FOR JEWEL FAULKNER'S STORIES ****

Hmm... I think perhaps I should have posted this last commentary on Lux Perpetua in the main comment room, since I haven't posted much there in quite a while. But nothing forbids me from posting it twice, right? :)
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 05:02:02 PM
IP: athe530-c072.otenet.gr

***RP WARNINGS!!!***

Doug and those with him are gathered in one of the Hilton's meeting rooms, discussing plans for their information raid on San Antonio's Marsh Building. "Let's all get our guns, go in there, and shoot everybody," Traveler suggests. "Innocent people might get hurt if we do that," says Keith. "Why don't we sneak in, get what we need, then get out without shooting anybody?" Jammer-"What if they try to shoot us?" "The idea is, they don't see us," Keith sighs. "With all the people we have here?" Jammer grins. "Never happen." "I'm all for the nonviolent method, guys," Doug says. "Let's do this. Gubio, Keith, Kitainia, Steph, Methos, Shap, Lathrop, Ravyn, and myself go in there and get the info we need from their computers. Everyone else waits outside, if there's trouble we'll call you. Okay?" Shap looks worried. "Doug, how we gonna bypass security? They could be expecting us." "Lathrop's illusions, plus some fake IDs. Cobra, I want you and your bikers to go to the building, scout it out, then find nine Marsh employees and steal their wallets. We can alter their security cards to match our disguises. And we'll return the wallets, complete with money, to the building lost and found while we're making our escape. Everyone agree?" They begin discussing the plan. Doug turns to face the CR. ***RP PAUSE***

$ First off, here's the OP card for Wilek:
Stats: Energy 4, Fighting 6, Strength 6, Intellect 6.
Specials (*=OPD): Fighting Skills (Level 4 Fighting attack, may be combined with a power card or another special); Cyberspace Expertise (prevent target opponent from attacking for remainder of battle); Miriam's Partner (may play any of Miriam's specials for remainder of battle); Change Form (avoid one attack); Eagle Rush* (Hades and Tenebria swoop and attack enemy, counts as level 8 energy, strength, or fighting attack); Dark Star* (Level 10 Energy, Strength, Fighting, or Intellect attack); Raoul's Master (may use any Raoul special, I'll have his card up later); Connections in Widespread Places (remove one permanent record hit). $

Mandi: We'll miss you. Merry Christmas! And a happy new year!!

ST:I: I liked it. Maybe Kitainia couldn't really appreciate it since she isn't a Trekkie. Then again, I'm not either and I throughly enjoyed the film. <shrug> Oh well.

$ Coyote: I like those sideshow freaks you dreamed up. Guess all the traditonal ones like the Bearded Lady and the Fat Man got killed in our raid on the circus. $ BTW, I noticed you've started using Lexington for a pic. Any particular reason why you've stopped going without one?

Wilek: Glad I'm not the only one who's saving the cards in a .txt file.

DumlaoX: It's a slow day. I'm sure of it.

Website: Glad everyone who's seen it so far likes it. I know there's not much, but I will fill up all of the 11 MB I got that I can. After the holidays, of course.

New TGS ep: Are we going to get any teasers for it today? Huh? Huh? Please say yes? :)

That's all for now. Later!

**RP AGAIN** Many of the team still wants to go into the Marsh building with weapons blazing, but the rest convince them it's better to sneak in and get what they need without possibly harming innocent employees. The bikers leave to go steal some IDs as the screen fades out. To be continued next time.

***END RP***
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:48:23 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zow-vty74.as.wcom.net

Please tell me this is just a slow day. I'd hate to scare people away :)

FIRE STORM-- Your link won't lemme see the directory.

JOHNATHAN-- Flood the box. Mail me what you got :)

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:13:34 PM
IP: pool0034-max2.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

Only 1 post in the last 12 hours? And that's only one line? Hey DumlaoX, I think you scared everybody off.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:06:21 PM
IP: spider-tn061.proxy.aol.com

Just letting everyone know I'm still alive.
SOROW
Saturday, December 12, 1998 02:42:54 PM
IP: usr4-1-dialup31.mix1.irving.cw.net

"I ate him." LOL! That line gets funnier the more I think about it!

25-26 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON TWO!!!
6 DAYS UNTIL PRICE OF EGYPT!
2 DAYS UNTIL THE NEW EPISODE COMES OUT!

Mandi- I also wonder where Morgana is...

Spike- New story! Woohoo!

DumlaoX- I shall abide by the rules, as I always have.

***SPOILERS FOR STAR TREK INSURRECTION***

Actually, one of the coolest things was the preview for the second Austin Power's movie. For those of you who have seen it, you know why. It's a very clever preview that had me rolling in my seat, and I can't say more than that, or it kills the surprise about it... No one else spoil it either! I'm giving that preview my highest honors, even though I still haven't seen the first movie...

Now Inssurection Spoilers... One aspect I liked was how they fit in all the species from DS9 and actually mentioned events going on in the show... That was a nice touch, in much the same way it was cool that DS9 mentioned the destruction of the Enterprise after movie 7, and the uniforms all changed after movie 8.

I agree, one of the best lines in the movie WAS Data's bit to Worf... (AND NO ONE BLAB WHAT THAT LINE IS!) In fact, the whole blasted movie was hilarious, reminiscent to Star Trek 4 in the humor department... I particularly liked the scene where Riker lost his beard, and Data's reaction later...
The music was as great as anything Jerry Goldsmith has done, the special effects were marvelous... The story was only a few steps behind Wrath of Khan, but it did lack... Something... I'm not sure what...

ANY Trek fan will love the movie. And if your not a Trek fan... It probably won't be quite as much fun, cause a lot of the good stuff comes from knowing the characters.

***END INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

One of the really cool things about the movie though, was the setup the theater had. All around the building they had these mock high tech panels on the walls, so it felt like, as you traveled through the building, that you were actually on a ship! The ticket handlers were dressed in Starfleet uniforms! One guy played a Vulcan, and one woman had the spots of a trill! And to top it all off, in the center of the building... A life sized shuttlecraft you could actually go into. Now THAT is movie endorsement...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 04:12:53 AM
IP: spider-wb011.proxy.aol.com

Isn't that pic eerily reminiscent of Miriam?
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, December 12, 1998 03:23:10 AM
IP: tnt-2-66-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP!**

[At the Dark Star, Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, SJ, Frankie, Dark Mage Wilek, and the two vampire eagles are standing by as the Dark Star's computer systems administrator and the Doom Commandoes attempt to take control of Guod's invasion force. Wilek: "Hey, whatever happened to those two Dark Jedi that Anoth killed? Their bodies are gone." Forfexx: "I ate them." Jake: "Ecch." Administrator: "<gasp> No...we are the Borg...resistance is...<sigh> They almost reclaimed me..." Wilek: "What happened?" Admin.: "The Borg here almost drew me into their collective. I am currently in the process of writing new encryption routines into the computer's security systems, to keep that from happening again."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Dumlao X> I apologize most profusely, and I wholeheartedly agree to abide by the rules and not forget them like I did. (It's terribly easy to be drawn into that kind of thing without quite realizing it, especially for such absentminded gargoyles as myself. Maybe there should be a link in here that leads to a page with the rules on it or something.) And thank you so much for not simply letting your anger (however justifiable) get the better of you and deleting the place. (As I've said, a good long loud roar can be very cathartic. :) ) As for all the difficulties going on in your life...wow, you're taking it a LOT better than I would in your place. I would have just gone bionuclear and started throwing cars in many random directions long ago. :) I hope things start improving for you. (BTW, about that rant: Way to take charge, man. THAT will put respect for authority into a few people, I think! ^_^)

Thank the will of Avalon, this place is back to normal! Now to business:

Chyna Rose> Welcome, and I am *quite* sorry you had to see that. (Isn't that what I said to the last few newcomers? ^_^) I'm sure you'll get the hang of this kind of forum. I did, eventually. That's when my sanity left, and I haven't seen or missed it since. :)

Doug> Very kewl Miriam card. MIB? Hm...come to think of it, her organization *could* have something to do with them...I'll have to ask her about that. BTW, I've been saving all your OP cards in a TXT file. Just in case.

JEB> Continuing the subject of the OP cards, if you'd like to post the cards of Miriam, myself, or any of my teammates that Doug will be creating on your site, feel free to do so. (There's a pic of me and Miriam at my site {click my name} you can use for graphics; Coyote drew it so you might need his permission. Yes that was a shameless plug.)

Star Trek Insurrection> I'm waiting for the video release (and I think I'm in for a long wait). Somehow I prefer watching movies in the comfort of my own home.

Torturing Lex in fics> I won't be doing that, mostly because the canon Gargs characters are little more than guest stars in my series anyhow...

Kyryn> Hm, somehow I doubt our body chemistry is all that different from humans'.

Mandi> Ack, you have to leave? You'll be missed, friend.

Aris> <<Ok, you are officially insane>> Heh...that's a pretty good line. Right up there with "I ate him". (I really must try and work both into my fics...)

GB> If I haven't already said it, congratulations on your date!

**RESUME RP!**

[Admin.: "Success! The Borg are ours to command!" A cheer rises from most of the team. Miriam: "The first order of business is to clear General Zale's troopers out of the station. Then we can see to repairing the Dark Star's systems and driving off the Imperial fleet." Wilek: "Then we have to worry about figuring out how Thailog managed to get allied with the Dark Jedi...and there's the matter of taking down General Zale before he can kill us." SJ: "Maybe we should get rid of Zale when we're done here. He sounds like a more immediate threat." W: "Right. But first things first everyone: let's kick some militia tail!" Everyone except the Administrator (she has a station's computer to run) goes out to help their newly-acquired Borg troops rid the station of General Zale's men.]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, December 12, 1998 03:21:52 AM
IP: tnt-2-66-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hi all!!

DumlaoX: I've got 27+ Comment rooms, I'll let you e-mail me if you want any of them. It's a bit much to clog your E-mail with.

Goodnight all!!!
Jonathan - [pbroeder@wave.co.nz]
NEW ZEALANDSaturday, December 12, 1998 02:38:04 AM
IP: wh5003.wave.co.nz

DumlaoX: The CR Archives you wanted should be up on my site by 3am Saturday Morning.
Clickie my link for the page that has them all.
(But I can only keep them on until Monday. I am exceeding my webspace limit with these puppies!)

October-thru-Current will come later (Possibly even Saturday Night). DOn't want to push it!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 02:00:30 AM
IP: dhcp185.visitus.net

Green Baron: Thanks for the Twelve days of Cajun Christmas! It was a riot!

***START STAR TREK SPOILER!***

Saw Star Trek, and I must say that "First Contact" was better, but it was still good. And, damnit, I missed the Star Wars trailer. <Harumph!>

At the end, when Data climed out of the pile of hay, I REALLY expected him to say "Was a romp indeed!"

Coyote: I must agree with you on the Quote from Data to Worf! ROFL! Should have heard the theater! (Out of curiousity, what theater?)

Speaking of the Star Trek movie:
Riker was on a planet that granted Imortality... Hmm...
And so was Troi... Even more Hmm...
And Puck...
All either immortals or want to be immortal in Gargoyles.
Fascinating.

***END STAR TREK SPOILER!***

Yikes! I missed congrating Green Baron: Good luck on your date!

I've been noticing something... when I write stories, I actually find more time to come onto the CR's. Interesting...
(FYF, it's a Spawn!)

DumlaoX: That Incomplete Japanise song was SUPPOSED to be Fish Heads, but I copyied the wrong file.
Oh yeah, I sent you the TGS themes on the CD, also! <G>

DumlaoX's Rant: Wow. Damn. (No complaint. Just amazed at the rant. It was about time. :)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, December 12, 1998 12:49:29 AM
IP: dhcp197.visitus.net

***RP HERE!***

**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote's ultra-crowded hotel room, now crowded with Coyote, his party, Ravyn, and the former freakshow of the Dingaling Brothers circus. At about this time Doug walks into the hotel room.**

Hey, Doug, how's it goin'?

<"All right, I guess. Have we figured out who-all's here?">

Yeah, I think I've got it down. You already met the waterbuffalo man, Freddie, and here's the seal boy, Johnny. Over there's Jojo, the thirsty boy. **points to a teenager guzzling out of an ice bucket** And right over there is Harry, the medium-head boy. **points to a man struggling with long division.** And right here next to me is Lucy and Susie, the conjoined twins. (BTW, twenty cybercookies to whoever knows where Jojo and Harry come from, it's two different shows)

<"So are you with us when we move out?">

Sure are. I've told the folks all about our mission, they're with us.

<"Good. Now, are you going to make some posts?">

Indeed, I think I will.

***END 1ST HALF RP!!!***

***BEGIN ST: INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

Kitiania: Now I thought ST:I was one of the better Trek films ... especially some of the quotable lines out of it (my grandmother didn't even like TNG, but had to laugh at Data's question of Worf.). I would quote some of them here, but I think I'll wait until everyone in here gets to see the film.

***END ST:INSURRECTION SPOILERS!!***

Chyna Rose: Welcome! Hey, didn't you submit yourself to WCC?

Fire Storm: I finally heard what happened to the guy who got hit on my lunch hour last week. Read in the local free newspaper, the guy was from Ohio and was currently still in critical condition with life-threatening head injuries. Evidently what happened was that he thought the truck had passed, not knowing that there was a second trailer; it was the second trailer that hit him. going about 50 mph.

Thanks to everyone for the compliments on the new fic! You guys are the best!

Torturing Lexington: Once and for all, I do not torture Lex in my fics!! I gave him a mate and child, for Oberon's sake!! He's *happy!!* It may not last for long, but for now he's happy, leave me alone, I don't torture Lex!

**composes self**

Sorry. But let me reiterate: I like Lexington. Hell, I named my car after him. Why would I want to put him through the wringer?

Robby: I will remember. Even if I have to be up until 4am tomorrow night, I'll read "Into the Woods" and your fics (we're planning on putting up our X-mas tree tomorrow night, that's why I said that.).

Kyryn: PLEEEEEEASE tell me they didn't loan you a 3-cylinder! God, I can't even understand HOW a car can even RUN with less than four cylinders ... I mean, four-bangers are bad enough, but THREE ... ?!

Mandi: We'll miss ya while you're gone!

***RESUME RP!!!***

<"Well, I think I'm about ready to hit the hay, myself.">

Yeah I understand, it's late. **quickly whispered conversation between Coyote, Lucy and Susie** Okay, you two can go, first. **the twins stand up.**

<"What's going on?">

Forming the bathroom line. Don't mind them.

**The sideshow refugees form the line for the lone bathroom in the hotel room as Doug leaves and the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, December 11, 1998 11:09:34 PM
IP: modem89.i-is.com

**BEGIN ST:INSURRECTION NOT-REALLY-SPOILERS-BUT-I'M-PLAYING-IT SAFE**

Hm. Lighthearted?? I would have never guessed that from the previews. I read a particularly scathing review in Entertainment Weekly that trashed it for that very reason, but I wonder. If the ads were true to form and played up the lightheartedness that everyone's been citing, would the reviews be better with honest previews? I'm seeing it Sunday anyway, no matter what.

**END SEMI-SPOILERS**

DumlaoX> Although I didn't contribute to the discussion, I also didn't do much to discourage it, so I'd like to add my apology to the list. And I understand finals stress: I just ripped through three exams today and am [supposed to be] working on a paper now. I'm glad you didn't wipe the room; that shows admirable coping abilities. Myself, I'd be throwing and breaking things. :)

Kitania> Actually, the yuck paper in question is only a four-page paper, but the prompt is the problem. Being an Honors paper, it's a BS paper all the way, but this kind of BS won't even allow creativity.

This will be my last post for a while. What with the paper, roommate moving in, carting computer home, unpacking, and getting the wisdom teeth removed, I really don't know if I'll get much of a chance to post again depending on how things go. So in case this is it for a while, good luck with finals to everyone, and get home for the holidays safely!


Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 10:10:00 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

SJ: Ok, thanks for your words. I agree with them now that I think about it. So I take back my comments about Jackal's family, and I drop this discussion. (Even though I wasn't kidding.)

Later.
Doug
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:48:07 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zoy-vty74.as.wcom.net

***I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT DUMLAO's POST****

Well, I guess I should apologize. Frankly, I didn't mean anything by my comments. I wasn't trying to be vulgar or nuthin'. Hey, it's sex. Everyone's got something to say about that.

I'd also like to thank you for not doing something drastic, like ban Jackal (although some of you might want to). I've been to some chat/comment rooms where such tolerance is not the norm. And frankly, I'd miss the guy if he were to leave.

I'd just like to say one thing though...This is to Doug and Kitiana and Aris. I love ya guys....but I don't think you or anyone should mention Jackal's family, i.e. kids, unless you were ABSOLUTELY joking about that (and Doug, I believe you were when you initially said that, despite that post saying otherwise). Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying you were trying to insult him or anything, but I just think family should be left out of this. I don't profess to be a Jackal expert, but I know that he's gone through some rough times as a father (heck, rough times in general) and the last thing I think he needs to hear, perhaps even in joking, is "I worry about your children." I don't think it was intended in any way as a personal attack, but frankly, I believe bringing the family into a argument is low blow. I mean hell, personally, I can take all the abuse you can give, but if someone starts about my family, that hurts the worst. I'm not saying that was any of your intentions, I'm just stating an opinion. I'm sorry if you get angry with me about this. My email is there, so if you wanna flame me, I'll understand.

****END DISCUSSION*****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:27:29 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

***RP WARNINGS***

Kitainia and everyone else is at the hotel, talking about various things. Doug is currently filling in his cousins who live in San Antonio on what's going on, including his team's mission. Kitainia is standing near Boris, who is on the phone talking to someone in low tones. "I don't know what we're going to do next yet," he says, and nobody seems to hear him. "But I'll keep you posted, just don't hurt my family." Kitainia looks at Boris and says, "Hey Bore, how long you gonna be? I need the phone." "Just give me a few more minutes," he says, going back to his hushed conversation. "Right," nods the half-gargoyle, deciding to make a CR post while she waits.

***END RP FIRST HALF***

DumlaoX: Doug already apologized for us, so I don't need to say we're sorry again. But I do want to say thank you for reminding us who's in charge here. Don't worry, we will abide by your new rules. And by the old ones. Good luck with all the crises in your life, please let us know if there's anything we can do to help you through them. I'm sure we all want to remain your friends.

Jackal: If you need to vent, fume, go wild, or have a chat on any topic, please e-mail me. I will be happy to talk to you about whatever you want, there are no censors or people like Aris who have access to my e-mail. Maybe that's the safest place if you want to discuss things like sex, madness, and violence. (Which your posts are full of.) I'll be all too happy to talk with you about them, I not only enjoy the topics and discussing things with you, it'll be good practice for when I'm a counselor-psychologist and have to deal with people like you for work. <grin> Don't worry, no one's against you here. We're all just going to drop the discussion you started (or at least Doug and I am) because we've been reminded it was not appropriate for this CR. (Thank you, Dumlao!)

Aris: No hard feelings towards you, either. I was pretty much ignoring the flame war you guys started myself. I am so glad it's over now.

Chyna Rose: Welcome to the comment room.

SJ: Thank you for caring and saying the things you did. Don't worry, I'm pretty sure right now I at least won't have sucidal thoughts again.

Big Welcome Back to Fleur!!! I missed you, too. And I've also lost friends. Lots of them. Snake the biker is the one I felt the most pain at losing. I think I've already told the story about him in here. Let me know if you want to hear it again and I'll tell it in the "new room on Monday." (Good Duran Duran song, couldn't resist.)

Batya: Thanks for the great scene. I especially liked Xander's comment. He's my favorite Buffy, TVS character. Him, Giles, and Willow.

Papers: I hate writing them too. Especially since they take me SO LONG!! Finals are also a pain for me this year, but then they always are. I'm just lucky none of them are on the same day.

I too am wondering what Morgana's up to right now. And Richard, and Sara Jasper, and the Cold Trio, and Jason Canmore, and Robyn, and Fang, and Sharon, and especially Thailog. C'mon, TGS people, let us know what's going on with these characters! (Or don't, but I will keep mentioning them until you do!)

Spike: New story? I can hardly wait to read it!!

***WARNING: BEGIN SPOILERS FOR COYOTE'S NEW FIC!***

Coyote: Nice new story, thanks for the entertainment. Thorn is a good thug character. I also liked what you did in the story with Sata. Keep up the good work!

***END COYOTE'S NEW FIC SPOILERS***

***BEGIN STAR TREK: INSURRECTION SPOILERS!***

Star Trek Insurrection: I saw this movie today. Excuse me for saying so, but it was IMHO a great big way-too-lighthearted yawn. I didn't like the plot, the characters were all pretty much undeveloped right until the end, and I particularly did not like said ending. Guess it would be a good movie for Star Trek fans, Gubio certainly liked it. But I didn't. However, don't let my judgement affect your decision to see it or not. You still might think the movie's good. Go see it yourself, and make up your own minds.

***END STAR TREK: INSURRECTION SPOILERS***

That's all for now.

***RP WARNINGS***

Kitainia takes the phone from Boris and dials Domino's Pizza. Meanwhile, Doug has learned from Shannon Sr. that Marsh Industries has an office building in town. "Okay, people," he says. "Huddle up! We have to plan an information raid on that building." Everyone walks over to him and begins discussing possible methods of getting into the building and finding out what they need. The screen goes blank. To be continued.

***END THIS RP INSTALLMENT***

Later!
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:41:11 PM
IP: hil-qbu-ppy-vty47.as.wcom.net

Well, "Insurrection" was pretty good. 3 1/2 stars. A lot more light-hearted than "First Contact"; in a similar vein to ST:IV. I'll post a review later.

DUMLAOX> Very, very nicely put. My most sincerest apologies for my contribution to this little fiasco, and you have my word I will no longer contribute to anything of this sort, EVER again. *salute*

** leaves, humbled **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, City of Champions, Canada
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:33:15 PM
IP: ppp059.connect.ab.ca

DumlaoX: I bow to the wisdom of the CR admin, and do hereby apologize for the lack of decorum in recent days in this room. **hands cane to DumlaoX** You may commence with the public caning ... oh, we don't operate that way? Oh. Never mind ... **puts cane away** And thanks for performing the search, despite your hectic finals schedule (I should know ... I used to have to deal with that ... especially when stupid profs would schedule their exams at the same time just to p**s off their competing profs and their students alike.).
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, December 11, 1998 05:14:18 PM
IP: modem111.i-is.com

I must also apologize for my participation in a flame war that should never have been started. I still feel that I am on the right side on this issue and that I was the one who was first insulted, but I should have replied in email, and not put this board through a flame war.

I won't make any excuses for this irresponsible behaviour of mine, other than that I was in a bad mood all week (and still am in one in many ways). Once again I apologise, firstmost to DumlaoX and then to the board's other inhabitants.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, December 11, 1998 05:06:08 PM
IP: athe530-e094.otenet.gr

***BEGIN MAJOR APOLOGY***

DumlaoX: Sorry we forgot and then broke the rules. We won't attach blame to anyone for it, at least not anyone but ourselves who are rightly responsible. Thanks for being liberal with us, and you have our solemn vow that we will never discuss you-know-what in here again, and we will blow the rule whistle for anyone else who does. (Hear that, Jackal?) Sorry we made you POed, you've got enough in your life that's hard to deal with and we should not have brought in more. Thanks for stopping those who very well might have (Jackal and Aris with their flame war). Okay, we're sorry. Won't happen again. Enough has been said.

***END MAJOR APOLOGY***

Jackal: You don't take us seriously? Great, now the two of us are really worried about you. Be assured, those last comments one of us made about your kids were in no way intended to be a joke.

Flame war: Is it over now? It had sure better be! Later.
Doug & Kitainia
Friday, December 11, 1998 04:28:36 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zon-vty134.as.wcom.net

***WARNING!!! THE FOLLOWING IS A RANT TOWARDS AN ISSUE DEALT WITH HERE IN THE COMMENT ROOM. THE RANT MAY INCLUDE USE OF VULGAR LANGUAGE. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.***

I was not here in the comment room since Tuesday when I told FireStorm that I got the mp3 disks he sent me. So when I checked the comment room today, what I saw shocked the shit out of me. It was discussions on sex and a possible flame war breaking out. But before I jumped to conclusions, I decided to backtrack to where I last posted and find the culprit there.

First thing I found was the circumcision question by Jackal. Unlike most people, I would find this question more health related than sexual. I know. I'm studying medicine and there have been instances where the foreskin trapped bacteria in and it caused trouble. It was a health and curiosity question, so that wasn't the culprit. That was an early morning Wednesday question.

Then comes Jackal's post on Wednesday, 12 PM EST.

Everything was fine until the question of which garg you would have SEX with came up and opinions posted. Did he cross the line with that topic?

YES!!!

It was clearly stated in the rules that SEX was not a topic that would be discussed here in the comment room. No sex in any way, shape, or form! Violation #1.

If this was an isolated incident, then it would be alright and proper action would be taken. However, it seemed to grow.

Next post: Deuce. Spoiler warning included? Yes. But talk of sex was there too. Another violation.

Post by Doug. Violation of sex rule again.

Sevarius Jr. Same as above.

Kitainia. Same as above.

Coyote the bando. Ditto.

Wilek. Same.

Aris. Same.

Then comes the kindling of a flame war between Jackal and Aris. It has become full blown.

That was the history of the events that happened here since my absence. I listed down the names not because I wish to single them out but because I don't want to play favorites. No one shall accuse me of not mentioning name X who was involved in all this shit.

This is the history of things that went through my mind before making a decision.

I read all this and the first thought that entered my mind was 'What kind of an administrator am I?' We had specific rules set up and yet people ignore them. I set up rules and they get ignored.

This angered me. I had options running through my mind.
-warn the people involved via public post here in the room. But after the rules had been violated, what good would that do?
-rant to the top of my lungs and hope people stop. Again, what would that accomplish.
-repost the rules. Only to get ignored once more.
-ban those involved. But we would lose a great deal of our posters.
-do the most drastic. Kill the room. We lose everyone and no more controversy because there isn't anything to be controversial about.

In all honesty, I was about to opt for the final option because it really seems like no one gives a fuck about any type of policy handed down here. The SPOILER warning gets ignored by a few here and the rule about making it in caps seems to have disappeared too. And I have so much in my fucking life to deal with right now, this just compounds on it all. I'll give it to you this way. Overworked mother. Cancer ridden father. Senile grandmother. Sister I have to treat like a daughter since no one else is acting like a parent. A long distance relationship I love to maintain. 3 Science courses and an English course I must pass or else I get my ass booted from UCLA. Bills to pay. Friends to keep in contact with. TGS to help run. Post the ep every week without fail. Fan Mail for TGS to answer. Deal with all sorts of PR. And the TGS comment room to maintain.

I have lived this way since I was 10. I am 20 now. Needless to say, when some shit like this happens, I am more than pissed and the deletion of the TGS comment room sounded mighty appealing.

But then I took a walk on campus and calmed my head down a bit. Maybe it was home stress again. Maybe it was studying for 4 finals. Maybe it was something else. Whatever it was, I shouldn't be so angry as to do the final option. That's when I came to the comp lab and made up my mind.

I will post up a new set of rules this weekend. I'm taking away some study time I should spend on Calculus probability for this but it has to be done. One major change to this set will be the following:

IF A SECTION DEALS WITH A TGS REVIEW CONTAINING SPOILERS, SPOILERS FOR ANOTHER SHOW OR FANFIC STORY, ROLE-PLAYING, OR DISCUSSIONS INVOLVING TOPICS OF A SEXUAL NATURE, THE FOLLOWING MUST BE PLACED AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF EACH SECTION:

***BEGIN (INSERT TOPIC HERE) SPOILERS***

***END (INSERT TOPIC HERE) SPOILERS***

IT MUST ALWAYS HAVE A SPACE BEFORE THE BEGINNING WARNING, SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND THE DISCUSSION, SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND THE END TAG, AND SPACE BETWEEN THE END TAG AND THE REST OF THE DISCUSSION.

NO EXCEPTIONS!!! I WILL NOT BE IGNORED ON THIS RULE!!!

As for those that were listed, no action will be taken. There is no warning or any black mark on those listed. As I said before, they were only listed to be fair to others. I am not playing the favoritism game. If the room so chooses, sex discussion can continue but only if the spoiler rule is observed. As for the flame war, cease and desist immediately or a limited ban shall be placed on your IP. Warning effective beginning 4:30 PM EST.

I pray nothing like this will ever happen again. I do abide by my word.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, December 11, 1998 04:07:16 PM
IP: 164.67.59.217

AIRWALKER-- Honestly, if that didn't work, I have no idea what else to do. If I come up with a technique that will help, though, I'll let you know.

FIRE STORM-- Oh, one thing I forgot to thank you for... the extra tracks. For some reason, besides 4 of the TGS themes, the CDs had Barbie Girl, Smells Like Teen Spirit, and an incomplete japanese song. cool :)

FLEUR-- My condolences on your friend. As long as you live your life to the fullest and never give up, his memory will live within you forever.

COYOTE-- Will do on that sound request.

COMMENT ROOM ARCHIVE-- Who offered to send me what they have on old comment rooms? Just send what you have over to me and I'll sort them out. Thanx.

A rant will follow this post. New things concerning the comment room will be placed there.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Friday, December 11, 1998 04:05:59 PM
IP: 164.67.59.217

<<you calling me immature, telling me to think before I open my mouth, suggesting I am a hypocrite>>
Dude, if I called you "immature" or a "hypocrite", you would have seen those words typed by me, however I did tell you to think before opening your mouth- Which seems to be advice you haven't followed yet.....
<<Perhaps, because I was the one to express my displeasure and they weren't?>>
Like I said you were the only one that rubbed me the wrong way, and that's not an excuse that's a reason!
First Amendment rights> "are not given only to you, you know. I too have them."
Well isn't that fine and dandy? Whoopie, I don't care what you have and don't have...
<<Ok, you are officially insane and I will no longer try to make sense out of your ramblings..., I am a fan of Christine Morgan dammit, I participated in the dirty tail trick discussion.>>
I'm not insane, it appears my thinking goes beyond your own- Being you can't understand it, you label me "insane". Even I have lines that can be crossed, and motherf***er you did it when you cursed me! How dare you tell me I don't care about the facts, I've been saying nothing but facts, you're the one puttin words in my mouth, you're the one blowin this crap out of proportion, I was tryin to play with you in that last post, but I see you wanna act like you got something stuck up your butt. Blow it out you a$$ and get over it!! And the reason why I didn't respond to things you were "actually saying" is because I think you may have a point to it, all the rest of the ignorant stuff is what I'm responding to and trying to set you straight on.
<<There's a *good* meaning for 'morally declined'?!?>>
You know, morally declined- As in I don't give a f*** about anything and don't care about the outcome....
<<After what he called you only a deranged individual while Doug said he's worried about your children... I on the other hand said that I believe these kind of sexual comments should not be in here. Obviously my comment was far worse that theirs.>>
GB and Doug are cool with me, just like SJ and FS and damn near everyone else in the CR. When they express their view points, or their "displeasure", about what I'm saying, they do it in a joking manner- Or so I interpert.., because I take almost nothing seriously!
<<Todd is a peacemaker. I am not.>>
No, Todd is an ignorer, and chooses not to take action (Sorry Todd, I know you're not in this and I apologize for mentioning your name). And you, Aris, you're just plain ignorant, and just to let you know, I can be ten times more ignorant than any person you've ever seen in your life and I will have myself banned from the CR just to have the last word. Because that's all this is about now, someone trying to have the last word.
To everyone else> I apologize on my and Aris's behalf for cluttering this room with senseless bulls**t. Also, thank you for taking time out to read my posts, being I'm the controversial figure in the Room.
"I'm not attacted to your world, nothing heals and nothing grows." -MM
The artistically inclined Jackal
Friday, December 11, 1998 03:21:14 PM
IP: spider-to011.proxy.aol.com

** Deuce enters, bothered that the power cord on the back of his monitor is coming loose. **

CHYNA> Cool name. And the reason this is different from other chat rooms is because this is a comment room. WAY more fun, IMO, because it's like a chat room that everyone's always in (although lacking the real time quality). Check your sanity at the door, please.

SPIKE> Yippee! New story, new story, la-dee-da-dee-da-da! *dances around*

KYRYN> Vitamins? Well, I pop the little Bugs Bunny/Flintstones one like candy, and I got addicted to Halls cough drops once... (no joke). I think it's been said (a few months ago) that gargoyle physiology is much different from humans, so many body chemistry screwups (like my hypoglycemia) wouldn't occur. Then again, I suppose a vitamin deficiency would be possible.

That should be all now. I should call Dan, so we can arrange when to go see the movie (it starts every hour, on the hour, from 1:00-8:00 at the nearest theater).

** leaves, and the monitor flickers... again.... **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, City of Champions, Canada
Friday, December 11, 1998 12:44:08 PM
IP: ppp0153.connect.ab.ca

**RP**
Kyryn is talking to the gremlins. "Well guys, do you want me to send you home now?" "No! We're having too much fun. Besides, you can still send us home later." "Ok, then. Let's go." They all follow everyone else to the Hilton. Kyryn turns to post.
**END RP**


Spike> A new fic! I eagerly await!

Coyote> I think that it's in Hockeytown. They told me it's gonna be about two weeks before I get the car back. Bummer. But at least I have a rental Geo Prizm :( that they're paying for to drive around in.

Chyna> Welcome to our world of craziness. Lurk for a couple of days and you'll get the idea of our particular brand of insanity.

Sevarius Jr> Thanks for caring :). When I had my 'down' episodes, it was because my brain chemistry got messed up due to a vitamin deficiency (everyone take your vitamins). As I've said before, I'm much better now, and plan to stay that way.

Lex> He always came across as younger on screen. Probably be cause of his small size, large eyes, and higher pitched voice, he often seemed to be a tagalong younger sibling. I sometimes had a hard time setting him at an equal age with the others.

general question> Could a garg have body chemistry/mineral imbalances? What effect would something like that have on stone sleep? The human body does weird things when systems get out of balance. Oh, and what would this say about hybrids?
Just random thoughts that might evolve into something depending on the answers.

*The screen turns off as Kyryn rides away*

Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Friday, December 11, 1998 11:59:13 AM
IP: 168.37.239.86

STARSINGER - The author in question is Leva Mevis.

ABOUT LEXINGTON - When I originally started watching the series, I thought that he was younger than the others, myself. (I didn't know then that Greg had said that the trio were the same age. Actually, I didn't even know who Greg Weisman was until I discovered Gargoyle fandom on the Internet at the end of 1996, just as the series was about to end).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:31:34 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-172.primary.net

Regarding Lex: Hmmm.... I wouldn't necessarily call it torture, but I have put him in realistically difficult situations in regards to matters of the heart. *L* Not unlike some of you guys in here. I do have him as an off-season mating but that was before Greg said the Trio was from the same hatching so I'm stuck with it. But since Greg also said that hatchings (and laying of eggs) happen over 2-3 days, it's possible that Lex could be considered the 'younger' brother simply by his egg hatching after Brooklyn and Broadway's. It's one of those gray fuzzy areas in fanfic.

Coming in 3 days: City gargs go to the country in "My Lady Fair."
Spike
Friday, December 11, 1998 08:08:48 AM
IP: dal-as1-1227.cmpu.net

People,help me here. There is a delightful story in the archieves called "A Day In The Life of Elisa Maza". It's a story where Goliath and Elisa are switched and I can't recall the writer.

Fleur <hugs> I have a nephew who was told he would not live to see his twentyfirst birthday. The doctor did not even want to try to help Christopher. Right now he's in chemo and all the other attendent indignaties of cancer. He'll be 22 on Christmasday, his birthday. He's in my prayers constantly. I really feel for you. I know your hurting. Drop me a line if you need a shoulder. I'm here.

If anyone has missed an episode of Invasion Earth, the scifi channal will rerun the entire three parts on Sunday.

Jackel


Starsinger


Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:47:30 AM
IP: proxy-511.public.rwc.webtv.net

Wilek> <<Don't know who Aiden is. >> Go read Christine Morgan's fics if you haven't, then!! You're missing out! :)

Green Baron> Congrats on the date! Have fun!

Chyna and Lexy> Welcome! (Chyna, this is a comment room, not a chat room.)

Jaden> I'm seeing it Sunday. (hope hope hope)

Chyna> I don't torture Lex in my fics; as a matter of fact, Lex gets to have more fun than the rest of the Trio (since he befriended Sarah, one of my original characters who's never without caffeine in her bloodstream). They usually get to run around and cause havoc as a result.

Doug> Something you mentioned reminds me: In Pendragon, where the heck is Morgana during all this? She has to know about the Rising, or at least sense that something's going on by now. Yeah, I know Todd probably isn't at liberty to answer this one, but is Morgana going to reappear? I'm not sure which side she'd join; while she hates Arthur with a passion, I don't know if she'd support Madoc's quest to rule "the younger races." Thoughts, anyone?

Okay, that's all, I'm getting all my finals done today. **crosses fingers** Good luck with finals/papers/dates everyone...maybe I'll see you tomorrow.

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:40:40 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

ARIS - There was a scene in "The Rising Part One" that I wrote, but wound up cutting for space considerations, where Madoc was saying to a still somewhat uneasy Umbriel that the "Seelie Court" and "Unseelie Court" terms and the generally bad reputation that the Unseelie Court has in legend was primarily due to a "history is written by the winners" syndrome. As in: Oberon won the war, was in power, so who was going to dare question his interpretation of events?

Madoc isn't Satan, of course (if for no other reason than that would mean a lot of religious controversy that we don't want or need - although maybe not quite as troublesome as the "Brooklyn at the Crucifixion" creativity demon), but I've the feeling that rumors of Madoc may have colored the interpretations of Satan in legend throughout medieval and early modern Europe; humans came across accounts of something very old and terrifying, and interpreted it in terms of their own world-view. (That theory isn't all that controversial, IMHO. After all, Dante and Milton both gave Hell some of the features of the Underworld of classical mythology in their poetry).

Just a reminder to the new people here: this is a comment room, not a chat room. They've got different systems. Please remember that.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 11, 1998 07:22:58 AM
IP: pn4-ppp-172.primary.net

Madoc as evil> I wanted to expand on this but later forgot. In this story he's at the same time portrayed more closely as Satan than ever before (being The Tempter etc) AND is portrayed in a far better light, further to Satan than ever before. That's something very nice and I liked it. On the other hand I disliked when in 'Meet the Minions' that fay is calling Madoc the lord of darkness, etc. That was a very bad comment to make.

Oberon IS obviously better than Madoc (though remember that he was quite willing to kill all the Avalon residents and steal away Alexander), but it's not (and I hope will not become) a battle of ultimate good-vs-ultimate evil. Such kinds of simplifications are often used to delete any kind of moral ambiguity and though in the short term they can be ominous, in the long term they usually work for weaker drama. Tolkien managed to make it work, but few have Tolkien's skill.

'gay' as stupid> hmmm... the great majority of the world I think considers 'gay' a synonym of 'homosexual' (or 'happy'). Perhaps it would be better if people didn't use the word to mean 'stupid'. It only confuses the rest of us.

Lex as younger> I disagree with the fact that Lex had greater immaturity in the show. I think he was as responsible (if not more so) as Brooklyn (who thinks below the waist far too often) and Broadway.

The only reason some writers have him be younger is that he's shorter, I think. And I... dislike that, somewhat.

Greg Weisman said quite clearly that the Trio is all the same age, and that's the way they were portrayed in the series in many places (nobody mentioned he's younger for example when they were competing for second-in-command or for Angela - quite clearly they are the same age)

Gargoyles having sex> Ofcourse gargoyles have sex. How else would the species survive? This is a silly comment to make. On the other hand Greg Weisman said that other than Xanatos and Fox, sex is really far more rare in the characters' life than the fanfic would seem to suggest.

Jackal> >>Express your "displeasure",

I already have and got flamed for it by you calling me immature, telling me to think before I open my mouth, suggesting I am a hypocrite, etc...

>>I haven't said a word to anyone but you about this,

Perhaps, because I was the one to express my displeasure and they weren't?

And anyway, what a coincidence: I haven't said a word to anyone but you about this, either.

>>you rubbed me the wrong way.

Oh, that explains it. And excuses it as well.

>>And your damn straight I demand the right to say whatever I want when I want!

Wherever you want? If DumlaoX says your sayings are allowed here I will immediately stop protesting. But as long as he stays out of the discussion I have the same right to protest when I think you are becoming tasteless, an opinion which as you can see is shared by other people besides me here. Rights to speech and opinion (I don't use the phrase First Amendment since not all of us come from America) are not given only to you, you know. I too have them.

>>> <<Elisa and Goliath having sex>>
>>>Worked you up over that one, huh? Hahahahaaa I accept your very *humble* apology ::gives a marilyn manson smile::

Ok, you are officially insane and I will no longer try to make sense out of your ramblings. You worked me over that one?!? I used the same example you used, so that I manage to make you understand I have no problem with the Elisa-Goliath situation. I am a fan of Christine Morgan dammit, I participated in the dirty tail trick discussion.

But you no longer care about the facts, nor want to respond to the stuff I'm actually saying. Fine with me. Don't believe I will consider you someone worthy to debate with from now on, though.

>>>Now Aris, look at what GB told me. That was cool, I know I'm morally declined

Perhaps my English is not good enough to understand this. There's a *good* meaning for 'morally declined'?!?

>>>and sexually morbid..., I don't need anyone else telling me that..., I have no problem with what GB said.

Certainly. After what he called you only a deranged individual while Doug said he's worried about your children.

I on the other hand said that I believe these kind of sexual comments should not be in here. Obviously my comment was far worse that theirs.

>>>Hahahaaa look at Todd ignoring the converstaion! Cool man!

a) Todd is a peacemaker. I am not.
b) This isn't a conversation. It got turned into a semi-flame war by you.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, December 11, 1998 03:15:36 AM
IP: pc-28.di.uoa.gr

"I ate him. And Rory too." Hahahahahahahahahaha... Sorry, (Hah heh heh) I'm just laughing too hard at that now I've stopped to (chuckle) think about it... Heh heh heh heh... Snarf!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 02:45:27 AM
IP: spider-wj032.proxy.aol.com

ENTRANCE** A television clicks on, and we see Robby, trying to get away from someone very Ben Steinish...
"Have I ever told you an interesting story about Cheesballs, or the time I met Bob Barker?"**END ENTRANCE

26-27 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!

Star Trek Insurrection comes out today! I'm gona try and see it tonight, final showing!

Hmm... I've changed my text color since a few people in the other CR are using Kentucky Bluegrass... With my luck, someone else starts using Mint Green tomarrow...

Switching bodies- I never do this in my fics, but I do mess characters up in a similar manner...

Fluer- Its a sad story, I can gladly say I've never had to go through anything like that personally... I know it seems like a silly catch phrase at about this point, but "Hakuna Matata" actually is a good ideal to go by at times like this.

Batya- What means this "Get out more?" What the heck is "out?" I don't understand...

Lexy- WELCOME TO THE MADNESS!
Lex is treated younger I believe because he's smaller, and those big eyes make him look younger. And a lot of fics speculate he was an off-season mating, though I'm not sure what Greg says about that...

Deuce- I'm ignoring this.

Green Baron- On a date? Congrats. At this point, I have yet to even kiss a girl... And I'm 16... Sad but true...

SJ- I've never attempted suicide or even thought about it if it cheers you up any.

Coyote- I'l read your latest tomarrow. Er, today... Er... Later... Remember to read mine, as well as the Pendragon story "Into the Woods"...

Durid- I said this before, but it was at the end of last week when the room was crowded so you may have missed it... But I'm interested in you gargoyle conspiracy theory... As well as your stories. Send 'em to my e-mail, I'm proofreading five others already anyhow...

Wilek- Great CD... "I ate him"... That's still a great line... I'll have to use it at some point...

Chyna Rose- WELCOME TO THE MADNESS!
Sorry to say it, but in my fics, (Which few people have read yet because they aren't up yet cause I'm still editing...)Lex gets... Tortured... But then, I'm nice to him too...

Jackal- I really don't mind you talking about that, but then, I'm not making any replies to it either.

EXIT**Robby has managed to ditch Pip, but now has run into one of the greek gods, Tri-Via, who also sounds very Ben Steinish. "Did you know that a dolphin has no vocal cords, but that all the creaks and whistles you hear come from the lungs?"**
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 11, 1998 02:41:36 AM
IP: spider-wj032.proxy.aol.com

Lexy: People treat Lex as "younger" because his character showed too much of a imaturity on the show. He acts younger, and sometimes he is refered to as younger, even though we know they hatched around the same time. In one or two of my stories, I refer to him as the younger brother, but to me, my thinking is that beacuse he is smaller, they have to protect him like a little bro, or somthing like that.

Lex having a bad life: Like Shakesphere, Life is a tragety for our olive-colored garg friend.

In defense of Jackal, Greg DId say that gargoyles do have sex. Although he didn't go into detail, (Although he hinted that some of the stuff refered to in Christines stories was "Tame" by comparison :), they do have a very active sex life.

As for the rest of the conversations about sex: No comment at this time.

Rose: I am thinking of letting Lex get the girl in my latest Spawn. No catches, no torturing him, nothing.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, December 11, 1998 01:55:07 AM
IP: dhcp180.visitus.net

****RP!!****
Screen fades in. After being dragged away from the burning remains of the circus Jaden's head finally begins to clear up. "Man that was worse than that floor cleaner I drank." He turns to Kitainia and Doug. "Thanks for pulling me out of there...so what's are next move?"
****End RP****

Hey Star Trek Insurrection is opening tomorrow or today if your on the over side of the country...if it is today what are you doing here reading this? GO SEE IT!

Jackal-Perhaps everyone should just drop this subject before it gets blown all out of control.

Coyote- That's ok. The same thing happened to me. I was just sitting there when I lost connection and couldn't get back on for an hour.

Stormy-Elisa and Demona switching bodies? I don't think Elisa would get hers back in one piece.

Wilek Nereus-yes I knew you were joking.

Wile E. vs Coyote-Wile would blow himself up.
Griff vs Killer Croc-Griff gets a new pair of croc boots
Oberon vs Superman-Supermans hurt by magic so no contest there.
Brooklyn vs Wolverine-Sadly Wolverine would win
Sata vs Amanda-Amandas cute but Sata has got the skills to boot.
Arianna vs Willow-don't know willow so I can't answer that
Graeme vs Drusilla-same reason as above
Talon vs Joker-Talon would wipe that smile off his face
Fox Mulder vs Matt-They would get to far once they started talking about different conspiracies.
Cancerman vs. Captain Chavez-Chavez could take him out no problem
Aliens vs Broadway-acid soup anyone?

****RP!!!****
"What a hangover," Thailog says as he rubs his head. "I wish someone would just shoot me!" "That wouldn't be very benifical to either of us." A voice from behind him states. He turns around to see a strange cybornetic creature standing in the shadows. "Who are you!" "What do you want?!"
"My name is Tracker and I'm here to offer you a purposal"
Screen goes black. To be continued.
****RP!!!****
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, December 11, 1998 01:41:31 AM
IP: pm1-2.sma.silcom.com

<<after reading your last post, I am VERY worried about your children>>
Aww man, noo! My feelings, I think you hurt my feelings! :) Honestly I swear to all of you, I've been toning it down when I discuss things of "that" nature, I don't think yall want to know my first thoughts about this..., Anyway I didn't take what you said seriously, Doug. But to let other people know, I know I'm not the best father in the world, but atleast I'm a father who's a daddy and will alwayz be there for my kids.
Jackal
Friday, December 11, 1998 01:02:21 AM
IP: spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com

Jackal: Uh oh, I smell a flame war brewing between you and Aris. <insert "Star Wars Empire Theme" music> And after reading your last post, I am VERY worried about your children. :)
Doug Elder
Friday, December 11, 1998 12:39:47 AM
IP: hil-c45-032-vty116.as.wcom.net

<<It's an all-ages board so we have to behave in ways we'd behave around younger ppl.>>
Which is why I was toning down what I was saying..., believe me I WAS toning down. I haven't said anything in here I haven't said with my own children present.
<<you can't tell us to leave>>
Have you seen the words, "Aris leave" typed by me? Have I told you to leave?
<<You however demand the right to say anything you like here, no matter how distasteful it may be for others...and at the same time seem to demand that noone can express displeasure>>
Express your "displeasure", I haven't said a word to anyone but you about this, you rubbed me the wrong way. And your damn straight I demand the right to say whatever I want when I want!
<<Elisa and Goliath having sex>>
Worked you up over that one, huh? Hahahahaaa I accept your very *humble* apology ::gives a marilyn manson smile:: Now Aris, look at what GB told me. That was cool, I know I'm morally declined and sexually morbid..., I don't need anyone else telling me that..., I have no problem with what GB said.
Hahahaaa look at Todd ignoring the converstaion! Cool man!
<<I just have one question..., (SJ)>>
Umm, well..., I was..., flexible when I was 13. THAT a side- I'm glad someone cares, even if it is over a computer! :)
Hi, Chyna Rose. I'm not usually hateful to anybody, Aris just rubbed me the wrong way, other wise I get along with everybody, wither they see things like I do or not. Anyway, HEY!!
The artistically inclined Jackal - [Jkal1127@aol.com]
Ga, Usa
Friday, December 11, 1998 12:33:47 AM
IP: spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com

**RP!** The Ravens, etc. have just fled the circus tent and are in the circus parking lot. Doug motions to Jammer, who presses a detonator, triggering all their explosives. The entire circus midway, wagons, tent, and all are consumed in sudden waves of energy and flame. Bill Tardum, the last of the circus owners, suddenly comes out of the wreckage, leading all the surviving goons. The good guys get ready to fight them, but Coyote's new sideshow friends suddenly let out loud cries of anger and charge at them. Tardum is caught on the water buffalo man's horns and gored to death. As the rest of the group watches the battle, several of them start cheering. Doug grins and turns to face the CR. **PAUSE RP**

$He must not have been paying those sideshow guys much. I'll let Coyote write their characters into the saga, except for this one incident. Thanks for your help in destroying the circus, Coyote, Jaden, and especially Kyryn! :)$

Fleur: Welcome back. We missed you. Thanks for the great story, I mourn your friend's death but I'm glad it taught you such an important lesson about life.

Batya: I loved that scene! Mind if I use it in my upcoming but far away Buffy/Gargoyles fanfic crossover? Pretty please? I will give you credit for it, of course.

Jackal: You want to talk about that stuff, fine. Just put warnings on your posts and it will be okay with me.

Aris: Great review. Thanks for writing it. I agree that Seelie vs. Unseelie is not a battle of good and evil. I do however, see Madoc as an evil guy. He may have a very well-written character and understandable emotions, but that doesn't change his intentions, his motives, or his actions, all of which are evil IMO.

Mandi: Papers. Augh. They're especially bad for me. I write good fiction, or so many people tell me. Essays, though, I'm not as good at. I guess it's just easier for some of us to get our point across through rhetoric, and some through characters and plots. I'm one of the latter, of course.

Switching Bodies: I don't plan to write any of those fics myself, but I do enjoy reading them. Wonder what would happen if Madoc switched bodies with Oberon. <Ducks flying fruit.>

Green Baron: Congrats on your date. Good luck. :)

SJ: Thank you for caring. Our sucidal thoughts, though, are a part of us, they've helped build our characters to what they are today. That evil which did not kill us made us stronger, and all that. But they're also in the past. We've evolved past them now, at least I think most of us have. So hopefully you don't have anything about which to worry.

Coyote: *SPOILERS* Your new fic was a good one. I liked the new villain. Good development on Rosanna, Sata, and Liberty. I'm also glad she was named Thorn and not Doppelganger (I thought the episode title was her name at first), wouldn't want anybody to mix her up with the group of evil shapechanging clones I'll later feature as thugs in my fanfic saga. They'll of course be called Doppelgangers. :) Oh well, whatever you do do, keep up the good work. I'll keep reading. I also read your "Motown Heat" comic. Nice work, but nowhere near as good as your fanfic. At least, that's my opinion. :) Of course, the first novel I wrote and later trashed was nowhere near as good as my own fanfic saga, so we've both evolved. I can understand your writing better because of that. <grin> *SPOILERS END*

Wilek: Aiden is Lex's mate in Christine Morgan's fanfiction. And I was laughing my head off at that creativity demon.

Chyna Rose: Welcome to the CR! And I am a fanfic writer who is not torturing Lexington. Unless you count character neglect (which a few fans have unfortunately accused me of) as torture. *PLUG!* If you want to see a pretty good saga of fanfiction where Lex does not get tortured, go to GFW and check out Doug Elder's. If you want a really good one, check out Christine Morgan's. (I don't think Lex gets tortured in there any.) That's my advice. *PLUG ENDS*

Todd: Just so you know, I've begun "Brooklyn at Camelot." The Camelot gargoyles won't have names, as per your advice. I've also made Uwaine and Owain seperate characters. I know it's a cop-out, but it was the only way I could see to rectify the discrepancies between my story and the actual Arthurian legends (which I plan to stay as true to as possible) over