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A Christmas Carol > funny, as it happens, this year for my Xmas mailer, I re-told that tale with the characters from my book ... for those of you not on the mailing list (ie, you slackers, sluggargs, and layabouts who haven't gotten off'n yer tuckus yet and ordered one <g>), I will be posting it after the New Year for your reading enjoyment ; )

Stephen > that news is just as sucky in this room as in the other; my sympathies still stand.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Sunday, December 20, 1998 09:37:39 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

when is there going to be a new episode in Timedancer??? I love writing myself, so I'm tempted to write the next one. Would I be able to do that?
LaDonna - [bwalker2@capecod.net]
Sunday, December 20, 1998 08:53:16 PM
IP: camb0878.capecod.net

**Robby enters, and stands near the mistletoe, but not under it, so as not to tick his lady off. He looks around for her presance, and then smiles as he sees her coming...**

WILEK_ YEAH! YOU GOT IT RIGHT! I'm dating Heather, and she's dating me back! It's about time SOMEone figured it out... I mean, lets count the clues we've been giving... We both started dating the same day... Coyote dropped a subtle clue by putting us together when he mentioned the recently SOed... I've been posting as Griif, she posted as Brianna... We were both singing the same song... So yeah, its Heather! Feel free to congratulate us now peoples!

Annoymous- I agree... I also believe its you Travler... I kept the dragons dragons dragons thing going in your absence...

Oh geez, the room is gonna clear in a couple hours, I'm gonna have to repost this! Ah well...

**And then Robby spots Heather entering the room, at which point he moves under the mistletoe, and grins wickedly. And you all know what happens next...**
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, December 20, 1998 07:55:18 PM
IP: spider-tp071.proxy.aol.com

Still too dead in here ... yeesh ...

SJ: Haven't seen "Dead Alive," but I have seen "Heavenly Creatures." One of the most disturbing films I've ever seen ... not to mention entertaining. It won't fit everyone's tastes in here, though; much of the plotline revolves around dementia, near-lesbianism, and the brutal murder of a girl's mother. (And had I seen "Titanic" before seeing "Heavenly Creatures," I would have *never* known that Kate Winslet was in that movie.)

The Contest: **struggles mightily to keep his trap shut after Wilek's answer**

Wilek:$I seriously doubt it was Miriam, but thanks for the speculation. I think I'll keep my distance from her for a while, though ... $ And I would be very interested in seeing your new pictures. At your site, right? BTW, your site is now linked at my Xanacorp Files page.

Jaden: Once again, my thanks for your condolences.

Mandi: :) Thanks, I need that. Somehow I need to cheer up ... my biorhythms are never this low around the holidays ... Glad you liked "POE," too. And as for branches of service ... my dad was Navy, too. So was my mother. Both got a ribbon on their uniforms for their service during Vietnam.

Coldstone: Yikes! Gawd, that's ... just awful. Well, here's hoping that your pavement pounding brings you paydirt before too long ... folks like you don't deserve that kind of treatment.

Anonymous: I know that's you, Traveler. Show yer face!

New fic: It's now up. Click on my name link for "So This is Christmas ..."
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, December 20, 1998 07:22:58 PM
IP: modem113.i-is.com

*a presence not felt for quite some time enters the CR* d r a g o n s, d r a g o n s *hehehehe* *it then quickly fades back into the shadows from whence it came*
Anonymous
Sunday, December 20, 1998 06:56:26 PM
IP: 170-233-6.ipt.aol.com

*whistles* It's dead in here. Hey, the Winter Solstice is tomorrow. In case anyone was wondering. Or cared.

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Sunday, December 20, 1998 06:00:29 PM
IP: ts14141.connect.ab.ca

*que Jaws theme music* d r a g o n s *fade out Jaws theme music*
Anonymous
Sunday, December 20, 1998 05:25:18 PM
IP: 167-52-102.ipt.aol.com

Sorry for the 2X post...
Robby> Is it...Heather???
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, December 20, 1998 05:25:01 PM
IP: tnt-2-224-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Stephen Sobotka> <<Armor Matrix Team-5>> If that were a novel, I'd pay good money for it.
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, December 20, 1998 04:43:21 PM
IP: tnt-1-18-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**Robby enters, whistling a tune, and wearing one of those floppy red Santa hats with the white ball at the end.**

TD COUNTDOWN- ONLY 17 OR 18 DAYS LEFT! YES!!! (Would have done the countdown sooner, but the browser's been acting funny. AGAIN.)

Stephen- Bad break around Christmas... But then, when is a break like that one ever good?

BEASTWARS related- Since today they showed the season 2 finale, the first episode of season 3 should be on next week for any of those interested in how the characters survived the ordeal that was the second season finale.

Tolkien movies- If done PROPERLY, those could potentially be better than the Starwars prequals! Dude... Coolies...
Hmm, the comments always freeze up around this time for some reason. Huh.

**Robby leaves, now singing. (Badly, I might add.) "When the night... Has come... And the land is dark... And the moon... Is the only, light we'll see..."**
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, December 20, 1998 04:25:04 PM
IP: spider-tp071.proxy.aol.com

Doug> You'd be surprised what I did to reconcile myself with that whole junk I went through in the Military. Actually created a story idea where a group of Navy medics and two Nurses (officers) got caught in an attack that would have killed them, but they were spirited away by an alien construct that infused them with symbiotic battlesuits. And at the core of this, the eventual leader of the team was the one medic that everyone thought was the total screw-up.

The name of it all: Armor Matrix Team-5.

Prince of Egypt: I want to see this! No more Spoilers! :)

And, to let everyone know, I received a nice christmas present just last week: my boss had me dismissed from my job, stating "turmoil" and "personal differences" were the reason. Nice of her to do this, just 6 days before christmas, huh?

Just need the moral support, all . . . christmas just doesn't have the spark this year that it should because of all of this.

Maintain and Check Six all... and merry christmas.
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, December 20, 1998 03:38:05 PM
IP: m97.ieway.com

**An image appears on the wall of the CR, of a room piled full of wrapping paper and tape and other assorted junk. Mandi pops up out of the nearest pile, shedding ribbons and Scotch tape, and steps out of the image.**

"How Not to Be Seen" for the holidays. At least there's no guns or explosives...heh.

**SPOILER WARNING FOR "PRINCE OF EGYPT"**

Okay, I saw it too yesterday, and I enjoyed it immensely (although the idea of Val Kilmer voicing Moses still cracks me up). The animation was absolutely stunning, especially the parting of the Red Sea, and the story was adapted well. Especially the way they portrayed the conflict between Moses and Ramases. My six-year-old neighbor, who was sitting next to me, sat through the whole thing and only asked an Innocent Irritating Question (tm) three times during the whole movie. His mother took care of the answers, fortunately. :)

**SPOILERS END HERE**

Aris> I agree that each writer is definitely influenced by another's input. If it weren't for the great Merlin Missy sending me feedback on "Lessons" when I first posted it, I probably wouldn't have done another fic concerning Dingo in the first place, and Sarah might not nave existed. I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing, but a little feedback goes a long way.

Doug> Last-minute Christmas shopping? What's that? No, I know where you're coming from. Have a good break!

Coyote> **hugs back yet again** You're welcome. I hope you can take some comfort in the holidays and those who are with you. We're thinking about you.

Family in Vietnam> My dad managed to avoid Vietnam, thank heavens; he says it's mainly because he joined the Navy instead. That's really all he's told me. I think my uncles, both of whom joined the Army, avoided it somehow, although I have no clue how they did that.

Cyrway> Get better soon! I'm assuming the e-mail feedback didn't make it. Stupid e-mail server...*sigh* I'm going to try ONE MORE TIME, and if it fails again, just post the fic! "Ambient Anarchists" was great!

Jewel> Hope the thesis came out without too much hair-pulling *gulp*. We'll miss you!

TRC> Welcome back!

Thanks to everybody who sent their concern about the wisdom teeth. Everything's relatively all right now, it's healing, I'm starting work tomorrow--and knowing my supervisors, that might actually mean less lurking and more posting in here. Either way, I have to get some wrapping and some cleaning done while it's still the weekend. Happy Holidays!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 20, 1998 03:23:54 PM
IP: p1-47.netgsi.com

Good Morning All!!

Short post.
The Lord of The Rings Movies are being filmed in the South island of New Zealand. They've advertised for extras here.
(What Me? quit my job and live under a tent for 6 months through a freezing southern winter? would I do that? -I wish)

Aris & Sevarius jr.:Identifing New Zealand with Australia is a FATAL error. I will forgive you - this time. (you both post in here- you can't be all bad).
New Zealanders and Australians don't really get on just in case you didn't notice from above. you know what they say about the really great hatreds... :)

Good night all & merry Christmas!!!
(yes, I know I'm early!!!)
Jonathan
NEW ZEALANDSunday, December 20, 1998 02:05:19 PM
IP: wh5008.wave.co.nz

Lexy> Hi! Check your email. I couldn't agree more, Lexington is in dire need of a girlfriend. Poor guy! He gets left out all the time. And I've really liked Liz ever since she showed up -- the potential exists. Ooo, and lots of potential complications! Liz is a minor! Can't you see it?
Liz's Dad: "So, Liz, when are you going to bring home this Lexington we've heard so much about?"
Liz: "Umm . . . could I get back to you on that? I wouldn't want to disturb you so soon after your quadruple bypass . . ."
Liz's Dad: "Your mother and I are understanding people, Liz. I doubt anything about your little boyfriend could shock us that badly."
Liz: <mutters under her breath> "Oh, yeah?"

<G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 20, 1998 04:19:28 AM
IP: tele-anx0407.colorado.edu

Hey everyone! just checking in I guess...hmmm kinda dead now. Well lets see comments...oh I'd wish that 'Pendragon' stories would stop crossing with 'Gargoyles' stories...I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH LIZ AND LEX! If anything at all. He needs a girly friend *tee hee*. Hi Sel! well gotta fly errr...glid.BYE!
Lexy - [lex@lexhnet.net.com]
west bend, WI, U.S.A
Sunday, December 20, 1998 03:03:47 AM
IP: d086.hnet.net

Coyote-I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I remember when I lost someone close to me. People said that he was in a better place now, but that didn't make it any easier.

Fleur-Finished my finals yes...passed um we'll just have to see about that.

Wilek Nereus-I never said that ALL dreams foretell the future or are messages from your mind. Thank God because I could tell you some REALLY weird ones that could blow your mind away. As for your question(s) I don't know why people think that way about dreams. For myself it's just another unexplainable thing. "Do they have something to do with our futures?" "Are they messages?" Questions like these facinate me and teach me to keep an open mind about everything. Think about it this way...most people believe in God because there is proof that such a being exists. There is also proof that dreams are messages and can hold the key to a persons future or destiny.
Geez that was a long answer. I'm sure the answer to your question is somewhere in there. If not I guess my facination with the unknown is just another unexplainable thing.

oh and to everyone in the CR...
HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!
or else!
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Sunday, December 20, 1998 01:53:54 AM
IP: pm1-14.sma.silcom.com

Tolkien Movies and such> I am always cautious of people doing movies based on books. It is *terribly* easy to bollux it all up. It *is* possible to do it well, but capturing the essence of the book in a completely different medium is tough. I hope they do well. And I *really* hope they're not travelling the road paved with Good Intentions! <G>

For those of you who read books by Anne McCaffrey: You may be interested to know that a television-series is being made out of her Dragonriders of Pern books. The series is being filmed in Canada. It will be live actors, and the dragons will be done through computer animation. As above, I hope they don't bollux it up. Anne says she finds initial footage of dragons in flight promising, and had a good time when the stage crew let her ride the "saddle" they designed for the actors. She went on to say that if the series is reasonably succesful, she might try her hand at writing an episode or two. I'm afraid my information is at least a month out of date, because I became busy and have not emailed Anne in some time. I'll ask her about it later this evening.


Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 20, 1998 01:52:13 AM
IP: tele-anx0230.colorado.edu

$Doug> Great Jake and Teri cards. (I didn't forget this time. :P )$

I was at that Preacher site, and I can see why some of us think there shouldn't be a movie of it. It wasn't all bad though; Saint of Killers (love that name) kind of reminds me of Forfexx, and there was a great quote for him in the quotes page...

Aris> Well said. It's amazing how Tolkien essentially predicted the Gargoyles fandom long before it would ever exist...

Durid> <<But about Caspian, if you notice he is using his own horn to channel his magic.>> Interestingly enough, the horns of real unicorns were said to have magical properties.

WHO SAID 'A CHRISTMAS CAROL'?!!! That is my favorite Christmas story ever; perhaps because it's essentially a horror story. I've seen a *lot* of interpretations of it; my favorite is "Scrooged", but I also liked "A Muppet Christmas Carol", "Ebenezer" (I *think* that's the title; a Western interpretation; it's the only Western I like); an animated version that had a lot of Gargs actors (Frank Welker voiced a cute little bulldog that sounded just like Bronx), and "Ebeneza" (I *think* that's the title; starring Whoopi Goldberg as a female Scrooge; I've never seen this one but it sounds kewl). I wonder if anyone's written a Gargs interpretation...

Coyote> $<<Just my luck, I get something like that and I can't even see who did it!>> It was Miriam. [She yanks Wilek's ponytail.] OW! Just kidding. Yeesh.$ BTW, I have new reference pics of the inspirations for two of my WCC characters if you're interested...

Heather> Crystal Senshi? Sounds very kewl. (BTW, if your Sailor Midael pic is any indication of your skills, I doubt there are very many artists better than you.)
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, December 20, 1998 12:29:00 AM
IP: tnt-1-150-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hi !
ROBBY > Contest ? Hmmmm... I might start guessing.

Well I'm making my own Sailor Moon RPG call the Crystal Senshi RPG.

** Glides away singing ' Stand by me'
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 10:55:52 PM
IP: 204-120-173.ipt.aol.com

Just saw some previews for the new "Batman Beyond" show, the spinoff of the Batman Animated Series set in the future. Looks good! I think Paul Dini and Greg Weisman were separated at birth.

Impeachment: Waitta minute......oh dear Lord, it just occurred to me.....President Gore? NO! GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY, NO!!!!

Movie News: Check out Prince of Egypt this weekend, it's great! Good animation, wonderful performances, one hell of an epic story...I few too many songs for my taste though. Oh heck, I'll admit, I hate ANY songs in a movie. That's what annoys me about Disney flicks. Hakuna matata my ass.
Unfortunately, I didn't get to see that film until earlier tonight. I had to go see that godawful Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan film first (ugh, the things I'll do for a woman). I'm really beginning to hate Tom Hanks. He's becoming one of those movie stars that feels it's necessary to give long, philosophical speeches about how HIS movies are great and meaningful. Just make Toy Story 2, okay? That's your speed, Gump.

Lord of the Rings: Not only is this being made, and not only is this a trilogy, but it's being made in Australia, with a cast of largely unknowns. I've seen some of the filming locations--beautiful. Perfectly captures the book. The Hobbits will not be played by dwarves, but will be real, average-sized people, digitally shrunken by computers. How authentic will the film be? They've reportedly consulted expert linguists who know how to speak elven (yes, as weird as that sounds, it IS a real language). Pluse, the best news is who's making and directing it....Peter Jackson! As in director of Heavenly Creatures, the Frighteners, the little-known but brilliant "Bad Taste," and my personal favorite "Dead Alive."
Has anyone ever seen "Dead Alive?" Goriest zombie flick of all time. The main hero, at the end of the film, uses a lawn mower--I kid you not--to go medeival on some zombie ass, and I swear to God, by the ending credits he's UP TO HIS KNEES in blood and body parts. It's breathtaking, I must admit!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 10:34:41 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Hmm ... not a lot of folks here now. HELLO!!! **listens to echo** Okay then, I guess I'll just reply to those who are here.

Wilek: I think the site SJ linked to is pretty thorough when it comes to summing up "Preacher." Although he only goes to a certain point ... the book is now up to the point where the title character (Jesse) has gone on his own, having left his two friends (Tulip and Cassidy) after being presumed dead and catching them ... well ... in the act. Suffice to say, SJ is correct: Preacher is one of the most blasphemous series ever created (the main crux of the story is God leaves Heaven, so Jesse chases after him).

Magic needing avatars (I prefer this word to "conduit"): I do agree that not all magic requires avatars. In my own fics, currently Lina is trying to learn how to perform magic without her usual avatar (read: the Avalon stone) because it has become damaged, has a delayed reaction and is now very dangerous for her to use.

Robby: Don't I wish. (GAWD, I'm lonely!)

Doug: Thank you for your condolences. I appreciate them as much as I do the others. Right now, you folks are the best friends I have.

Starsinger, all RP folks: $You don't mind if we pay a short visit on an uncle of mine who lives in Albuquerque while we're there, do you?$

SJ: To be quite honest, for some reason I relate so well to Jesse it's scary ...

**SPOILER WARNING FOR "PRINCE OF EGYPT!!"**

Well, went to see "Prince of Egypt" tonight. In three words ... I LOVED IT! This is what animated features *should* be. The music was non-intrusive and logical, the story was enjoyable (not to mention a *very* original take on an eons-old story), and the quality of the animation ... simply blew me away. I certainly hope Dreamworks becomes a major player in the American animation scene ... I would love for them to someday have the guts to put up a serious animated drama toe-to-toe with Disney. Hell, I'd even send my own screenplay to them ... provided I ever get the stupid thing written. :)

**END "PRINCE OF EGYPT" SPOILERS. IT IS SAFE TO ENTER THE OOL. NOTE THERE IS NO P IN IT: PLEASE KEEP IT THAT WAY!**

Well, off to be lonesome some more ... if I hear one more TV weatherman declare a "cuddle alert," I'm gonna SCREAM!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, December 19, 1998 10:32:31 PM
IP: modem103.i-is.com

Tolkien> Its true that there can be seen indication that he disliked technology in his writings.....but it was he who broke the main encription code the Germans used in WWII.....so he couldnt have been totaly 'anti technological'!
Frodo
Saturday, December 19, 1998 09:47:22 PM
IP: ras102.vortex.is

Contest- Lets play a game, shall we? Hows about... Guess the name of my girlfriend? Go ahead, just guess. There have been a few clues, and there may be more... I shall reveal the answer on Monday though, so hurry! (And to those who already know, sorry, you can't play! Well, you can, but you can't throw in the right name!)

Exo-Squad- It was truly a great show, its just a shame the series ended before the story did. I seem to recall it ending with one of the characters turning into a cat... Ah well, wishing it had finished is like wishing Pirates of Dark Water had finished...

Tolkien movie trilogy confirmed? AW RIGHT! Wonder what Gollum is going to look like? I've seen several distinct versions of the creature, and they all look good...

Tolkien as a great writer and inspiration- Well, at one point I had three dogs names Sam, Frodo, and Gandalf...

President situation- Of course, if Pres. Clinton IS impeached, Al Gore is next in line...

If there's anybody new to the room I haven't welcomed in, or somebody's birthday I've missed, sorry, its been a busy week for me, and I welcome/wish you a happy birthday now!

Hmm... Since the RP is stopping for a while, anyone feel like putting on a CR version of "A Christmas Carol" to make up the slack for a bit?
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 06:46:03 PM
IP: spider-ti031.proxy.aol.com

***The shadows move from their corners, and when they return, Durid is standing before you.***

Magic and Conduicts: Not really, rember that the Archmage used his staff as a blowgun to put a dart into Malcom, he didn't use a spell. Even at his peak, the Archmage was useing the Eye of Odin to channel his magic. That is why he self-desturcted when Goliath took it from him. Without it he was litterly consumed by the magical energies of the Grimorum.
But about Caspian, if you notice he is useing his own horn to channel his magic. I don't know if the author meant that, but that is how it looks.

Clinton and Saddam: Just my 2c. I know Clinton is now useing this to get this to get this impeachment off of him, but that doesn't mean that Saddam shouldn't be taken care of. We should have at least given him life imprisonment the first time we got him. Now that we have realease him, he is doing hte same thing he was doing before, how many oil well are going to be burned this time, enough to triple the ozone hole? How much more is he going to lie to his people, and disregard everyone but himself.
My personal opionin is that we need to take care of Saddam, but Clinton is not the person to do it. Get someone else into the office quickly.

***The shadows once again move from their corners and Durid disappears.***
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Saturday, December 19, 1998 04:34:55 PM
IP: dialuph234.mpls.uswest.net

For the, IMO, best movie news webpage out there, check out http://www.darkhorizons.com/news.htm

Its the most informative site I've been able to find, as well as one of the most organized (which is a definite plus, so you can easily find what you're looking for).

Lord of the Rings> Not only is it going to be a movie trilogy, its going to be the first ever theatrical mini-series (i.e. the films will be coming out as soon as 10 or 12 months after each other).
Entity
Saturday, December 19, 1998 03:41:57 PM
IP: ely-oh4-54.ix.netcom.com

Have to make this short, I have a wedding to attend this afternoon (and the subsequent party... hehehe).

THERESA> Well said. The only point I wish to comment on is "I don't see any Canadians in the front lines." This actually made me smile. Canadians (well, OK, the Canadian gov't and military) are very good at choosing their battles. You're right, this is a petty political battle that has gotten out of control, and we have no place helping Bubba Clinton with his personal agendas. When this turns into a real war, you can bet we'll be in there, but So-Damn-Insane hasn't done anything REALLY bad yet. Anyway, you're right on another count: let's drop this. It's Christmas! Have a good one.

** leaves, going to get into hs tux... bleh.... **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Saturday, December 19, 1998 02:11:57 PM
IP: ts1393.connect.ab.ca

Tolkien movie> It's no longer a rumour, it's a fact that Lord of the Ring will be made into a trilogy of movies. The first movie is set to air probably at Xmas of 2000. Everything I have heard about it makes me very excited concerning it; the writer seems a true Tolkien fan, conceptual artist is John Howe (the greatest Tolkien artist I've seen), etc... You can find a bit more info in www.aint-it-cool-news.com (they often have stories on the progress) and through Imdb.

It will be filmed in Australia, and I believe it was said they won't use famous stars, only unknown ones. So most probably, no Sean Connery.

Tolkien> Yeah, Tolkien seemed to dislike technology. Perhaps this is seen clearest of all in 'The Notion Club Papers' a work of Tolkien that was published in 'The History of Middle Earth Vol.9 - Sauron Defeated' by his son. In it Tolkien has his characters discuss history, myth, fantasy, science fiction and at the end science itself. Among other things he had a character (one of the important ones) say that humans would never be able to travel to the moon, he called the spaceships of science fiction 'metal coffins', etc... So, I think he'd be rather uneasy about the Internet.

I do however believe that he would support fan fiction a lot. My reason for saying this is again in 'Notion Club Papers'. Again one of his characters (Ramer) talking about myths says "I don't think you realize, I don't think any of us realize, the force, the daimonic fofrce the great myths and legends have. From the profundity of the emotions and perceptions that begot them, and from the **multiplication of them in many minds** - and each mind, mark you, an engine of obscured but unmeasured energy."

The character goes on to say what an impact could a myth have mainly due to that *multiplication*. And that's pretty much what fan fiction is doing isn't it? Taking something fixed (the show) and looking at it from a thousand different points of view, contributing to it. Yet unanswered plot-points are given answers; and those answers are shared by other writers in part or in full. For example the idea that Lex will find a girlfriend through the internet has been used often enough that it has gained a life of its own. :) Through fanfiction we have had (in the Gargoyles Universe) stories apocalyptic (Ryan Stout, Coyote the Bando), postapocalyptic ("I'm sorry"), erotic (Christine Morgan), stories of operatic drama (Jewel Faulkner), stories that delved into the past of the characters (Nancy Brown), we've had a thousand crossovers.

And each writer is influenced by the input of every other one, either conciously or unconsciously, or sometimes there are deliberate references and homages. From Merlin Missy referring to Athens Inc. in one of her stories, and Macbeth as Sagredo in another, from a couple writers using Graeme and Ariana, Spike and Christine sharing some characters, the use of Elisa obnoxious aunt and equally obnoxious cousin, there are more examples than I can give.

Oh, I've started babbling now. What I mean to say is that through Fan Fiction 'Gargoyles'-the-concept has become more than 'Gargoyles'-the-series. The same way the concept of Arthur is now more than just Mallory's or Geoffrey's stories.

Any thoughts on this?
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 01:16:16 PM
IP: athe530-b013.otenet.gr

Still having to use the public library computer to access the Internet; my family keeps on running into difficulties about coming down to replace my now-defunct computer. To the TGS staff, I apologize again for this current state of affairs.

Tolkien struck me as rather uneasy about technology, so I doubt that he'd have been that enthusiastic about the Internet. But it's really difficult to say, given that he died before it was around. However, it's worth remembering that it was generally the villainous characters in his works (particularly Saruman) who prefered technology, and hobbits, on the other hand, don't care for machinery more complicated than a water-mill or a forge-bellows.

MAGIC AND CONDUITS - Actually, the Archmage shot off his initial "Fulminus venite!" spell in "Long Way Till Morning" without a visible conduit (unless he had the Grimorum with him when he attacked Prince Malcolm; I forget).
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 19, 1998 12:30:23 PM
IP: sys.slpl.lib.mo.us

Wilek: Click on my name to go to a site that tells a little bit about the Preacher comic book series.

And Coyote, I agree, it's probably wishful thinking that the movie's going to be made. Don't get me wrong, I love the series, but it's quite possibly the most blasphemous (sp?) series in all of comicdom!

And for the record, Arseface is one of my favorite characters ;)
Sevarius Jr.
Saturday, December 19, 1998 09:37:23 AM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Spike - You do have a good point. I did enjoy the story very much, and it's not that I found anything wrong with what Caspian did, it just stood out to me, that's all. I'll just chalk it up to one of those mystical we'll never know explinations like how Elisa manages to wear the same outfit in the entire series.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, December 19, 1998 09:28:53 AM
IP: 232.new-york-13-14rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Doug feel free to add me or my kitties to your RP. ALBUQUERQUE is the correct spelling for the city. I know pick, pick, pick. Unless your are going for the original Spanish spelling Alburquerque. The first r got lost somewhere along the line. Just ask and I give you names of some of my furfoots for you game.

Deuce the only problem I have with your rant is it is not based on fact. For most of the world we are either the Great Satan or supposed to save the world from it's self. We are neither. Right now we are either blessed or cursed with political figures who have nothing better to do than play stupid political games. The Republicans have been trying to get Clinton since he came to office. They couldn't get his friends or his wife so now that they put him in a situation where it's his private life that is in the spotlight. They've decided it's a major offense. We did not start the Iraqi stupidity, and our main offense is we didn't get rid of Saddam when we should have. Again politics. Maybe Clinton's timing isn't right, but I don't see any Canadians in the front lines. Sorry if I offend you, but I don't.

I really think we need to get off this very hot topic before we start a flame war. Deuce, I will listen to any reply you have to my rant and anyone elses.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 08:02:01 AM
IP: proxy-311.public.rwc.webtv.net

Robby> yup....makes you feel kinda small in the grand workings of things.........
Frodo
Saturday, December 19, 1998 07:23:31 AM
IP: ras104.vortex.is

In regard to Tolkien> I admire him very much. I've read The Hobbit 15 times, and the LotR trilogy 16 times. Yes, I kept track. :-þ I find even more value in his less-well known works. His translation of _Sir Gawain and the Green Knight_ was beautiful. _Leaf by Niggle_ was excellent. But what really got me was his essay, _On Fairy Tales_. I learned an awful lot about Tolkien as a man from that essay. He was deeply suspicious of new-fangled contraptions like electric street-lights, and feared for the survival of traditional society in the modern age.
I find myself compelled to wonder what he might have thought about the Internet. Would he have been horrified at its tremendous lack of traditional values? Would he have been ambivalent towards it, as so many people are? Or would he have loved it for its incredible potential for the sharing of knowledge?
I cannot decide how he might have felt about the Web. However, the question is moot. I would love to ask him about it ... no, scratch that. I would love to talk to him about *anything.* Even the weather. I sorrow that I cannot.
Here's to the Professor! <raises wine glass, drains it, and smashes it in fireplace>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 04:32:18 AM
IP: tele-anx0317.colorado.edu

**RP ALERT: WARNING IT IS LONG, BUT SINCE THIS IS THE LAST BIT BEFORE THE BREAK, IT'S JUSTIFIED**

Thailog, Asil, Guod, Marsh, Zale, Jerec, Pastor Paul, Gennady Bucharev, and Tracker are holding a big meeting in the secret base. "We've lost the Dark Star," Guod sighs. "And our latest attempt to kill the Ravens in San Antonio failed miserably, with Grant and Preston the only survivors." "I can't get to Wilek's team up on that space station," Zale sighs. "Plus they know about our Area 51 base. This could impact our plan for the attack on New Year's. I recommend we move all but a token force out of Area 51, and into the even more secret government installation of Area 51-A. The commander of that base is an old buddy of mine, we go way back. Plus it's completly under the control of FBI Bureau 13, which we also have taken charge of through Assistant Director Kincaid, our main mole in the US Government. We move everything there, including the cloning cylinders, and they won't get wiped out if Area 51 is attacked." "Alright," Thailog nods. "But what about my plans for an attack on New Year's Day? This will delay them." "I know," says Zale. "But you haven't been on the Dark Star, I was for a while. Still have a couple spies up there, in fact. You don't know the kind of firepower they have. It's worse than nukes. Fortunately, I was able to download data about the technology while I was up there, soon we'll also have it. But trust me, with it they could destroy Area 51, or this base if they knew where it was. We have to evac to the base they don't know about. You can still launch your attack, just on a smaller scale. Make it a not-so-obvious distraction. Say about 2500 Alpha Phi class soldier clones attack one major American city, all heavily armed and Borg-implanted. Major Henson and Captain Dibble can lead the attack." "Very well," Thailog says. "What city?" "I suggest Albequerque, New Mexico. It's small enough to not pose much of a threat, but important enough for us to want to take control of it. I know from my spies that Wilek will obliterate our base, so I recommend we make it look like he wiped out all our assault forces but the ones sent to attack that city. We'll clone those forces now and send them towards it. And move all the others out." "Approved," says Thailog. "Wait," says Bucharev. "My agent in the Ravens has informed me they're headed for Santa Fe. If they discover our plans, things could get ugly." Tracker looks pensive for a moment, then nods. "I can also sense my quarry headed that way." "Asil, assemble another team," Thailog commands. "Deal with them." "Wait," says Marsh. "My lawyers can hold them off." "Your lawyers will take at least four months to assemble a case, Roger," Thailog snaps. "Believe me, I know how Bakker and Hotsettler work." Marsh sighs, knowing it's true. All but Asil, Guod, Tracker, and Pastor Paul exit the room. "You can track them down?" Asil asks, Jaden's nemesis nods. "Alright. Pastor Paul." "Yes, lady seraphim?" Asil tries to hide an evil grin. "Your people will compose the attack group under Brother Dave. Some of Guod's Borg, Preston, and a few other of their old enemies shall go with you. I have also found a new associate for you, one who thinks as you do about religion. He and his following shall go along as well." Asil talks into her communicator. "You may come in now, Joseph." A short fat man, completely bald and with pockmarks on his molelike face, enters. He is dressed in the ceremonial robes of a Catholic bishop. In fact, he is Joseph Galante, the Catholic bishop who took over Doug's high school in his senior year and expeled several really good teachers simply because they disagreed with him on how classes should be taught and the school expanded. In personality, he's pretty much the sort of majorly corrupt and opinionated guy that gives the Church a bad name. Green Baron would hate this guy, of course. Pastor Paul gets a shocked look on his face when he sees Galante. "I am NOT working with this goddamned pope worshipper!!" Galante rolls his eyes, obviously sharing the sentiment. "You'll have to," Asil snaps. "Go get your forces assembled. I want us to get to Santa Fe before the Ravens." She nods to them and walks away, followed by Tracker and Guod. Pastor Paul and Galante almost instantly get into a staring-down competition.

The scene shifts to the Onslaught's cab, where all the Ravens but Doug, Jammer, and Lathrop have gone home for Christmas. (And Lathrop's family happens to live in Santa Fe, so the others are taking him to see them.) Coyote is also the only member of his team left on board besides the freaks. The remaining three bikers and Janice are also still on the truck, too. So is Jaden. Doug and Jammer are currently sitting in the cab, Jammer driving and Doug riding shotgun. "We almost to Santa Fe?" Doug asks Jammer. "We just crossed the New Mexico state line," Jammer replies. "We'll be there very soon now. Say, Doug, why didn't you go back to Beaumont for Christmas?" (note: I will IRL.) "Saving the world is a little more important to me right now," says Doug. "I Fedexed the gifts and cards, they'll still get them. Don't worry, I'm sure my family will understand what's going on in my life." "They better," Jammer laughs. "It was hard enough making all our college classes correspondence so we can do this and still graduate in four years. (again, this is not happening IRL) Good thing Shap's one of those Illuminati people." Doug nods and turns to face the Comment Room.

**RP PAUSED WHILE I MAKE REPLIES**

First off, sorry I haven't posted in so long. I was getting some much needed Christmas shopping over with. This is also my last post before the break, so people are going to miss me after it's over. I'll miss everyone here, too. Everyone have a Merry Christmas, enjoy yourselves while I'm gone. $Just please remember the RP's on break till the 29th of December.$

Now here's my last two OP cards before the break, they're of Wilek's pals Jake and Teri Laughton.
Jake:
Stats: Energy 3, Fighting 7, Strength 8, Intellect 6.
Specials (*=OPD): MST (Level 6 Intellect attack); Caffeine Buzz (remove one permanent record hit); Fighting Skills (Level 4 Fighting attack, may be combined with a power card or another special); Pile Driver* (Level 7 Strength attack); Teri's Husband (may play any Teri special); Temper Loss (double power of next three attacks as he goes into a rage).

And Teri's:
Stats: Energy 4, Fighting 7, Strength 6, Intellect 6
Specials: Jake's Wife (may use any special of Jake's); Flirt (target enemy is attracted to Teri and may not attack her for remainder of battle, this only works on male enemies or females if it's Jake using it); Laser Pistol* (Level 7 Energy attack); Swoop (Level 5 Fighting attack); Fly Away (remove Teri from battle this turn, deduct two permanent record hits); Leap Behind* (Avoid 1 attack, next attack on target enemy gets a +2 bonus to hit and damage).

Hope y'all enjoy those cards, more will be made when I get back from Christmas Vacation.

Exo-Squad: I enjoyed that show myself. But I unfortunately never saw all of it.

Eliza Dushku: Good actress, I like her too. She's also definitely the hottest girl on Buffy after Bad Vampire Willow, IMO. Buffy comes in third for me.

Thanks to all who responded to my survey, congrats to all who've finished their finals.

Frodo: I too find your Iraq comments extremely biased, partisan, and offensive. But that's all I'll say, because I'm going away in a while and I don't want to start a political debate in here. Sigh, I'm going home to diehard conservative grandparents, they'll probably bring up your points or something similar at the dinner table. <growls, dreading the thought of family political discussions>

Kitainia: I of course will miss you the most of anyone here. Good thing you're getting back one day to Austin after I am (the 30th). See you then. If you read this, remember that I love you. :)

Green Baron: Glad your relationship is still running smoothly. $BTW, the newest member of the RP bad guys is someone right up your alley, you should read the above to find out more.$

Tolkien: I love all his books, too. Sam is my favorite of his characters, Gollum is Kitainia's. She sometimes talks like him in certain situations, it's quite funny. :) Great writer, I draw lots of my inspiration from him.

TRC: Welcome back. We really missed you. $ If you or anyone else would like to join our RP team after the break, please wait for us at the La Posada hotel in Santa Fe. $

Full Metal Jacket: I have the same opinion as Stephen about that movie, it's terrible. And unfortunately very much grounded in truth.

**BEGIN FANFIC SPOILERS**

Stephen: Interestingly enough my Lincoln's Commando Corps (the Illuminati's private army in my fanfic saga) is formed mostly of people from the Armed Forces who were really good at their jobs but for various reasons couldn't make it in the military the way it is. Some couldn't because of obnoxious jerk drill sergeants (like Stewart, Sameer, and Weston), some because of racism (Sameer and Stewart), others due to age (Weston and Tomlinson); gender and rape controversy (Laura), personality quirks (Sheppard); or even slight handicaps (Weston again, who has 20/120 vision). Maybe I'm satirizing the US military this way. :)

**FANFIC SPOILERS END**

Coyote: Your opinion didn't piss me off either, no worries. Sorry to hear about your grandmother's death, I'm sure she was a wonderful person. If she's where she belongs, she's with my deceased childhood best friend Leander. That means Heaven. :) Hope you don't grieve too much, I've always thought the New Orleans style of mourning is best for a person. You know, up until and during the funeral everyone grieves and afterwards everyone rejoices because the person's gone to a better place (or worse if they deserve it). Good luck to you getting over her passing.

Ravyn: Miss you, see you again after Christmas.

Wilek: Glad you're enjoying seeing the cards. I'm certainly enjoying making them.

SJ: $ Thanks for the change in RP plans, I was a little worried. Of course all the cliffhangers we're doing now will make everyone worry more. :) $ I too would vote for you if you ran for office and would really like to see what you would do to UT's Fundamentalist Extreme.

Jaden: I don't have an opinion about dreams foretelling the future, never really thought about it. $ Sorry to hear you're going away, miss you. We'll use Jaden and Tracker as much as we can in the best ways appropriate while you're gone. Thanks for all the contributions you made to our saga. Later.$

Jackal: You're right, death is a rock star's greatest publicity stunt. Oh well, I still don't like Manson. If you want to base your life on his teachings, go ahead, I'm not going to flame you for it. Just remember, the man acts totally insane, even if he "really isn't."

Spiderman: I too enjoyed that series. Glad they're making more episodes. I wonder if I'll be incorporating any of the new ones into my fanfic saga like I did all the old. :)

King Kong: My all time favorite monster movie. <grin> I agree that he wasn't all villain.

Fleur: $ We certainly would welcome your help after the break's over. However, it will be some time before we assault Marsh HQ. First we have to deal with the troops Thailog is sending to Santa Fe and Albequerque, then Area 51, then Marsh's lawyers, and we're also planning to stop off in Vegas for a short time. We'll get to San Fran eventually, don't worry. If you want or anyone else wants to join our RP party, please meet us at the La Posada hotel in Santa Fe. $

Transformers: I also liked Starscream and Shockwave. Grimlock was my favorite good guy. And Megatron is one of Cartoondom's all-time greatest villains.

Theresa: I liked what you said about people dying, I agree completely. $If you and your cats want to help us expel Thailog's forces from Albequerque later, feel free to join in. Or not, it's your decision.$

Robby and Heather: Congrats on the new relationships. Good luck with them.

Spike: I'm in complete agreement with you about over-analysis spoiling a good read. <thumbs-up>

Okay, that's all for now. I'll leave you with the last RP contribution before the 29th (and a major cliffhanger). Good bye, and everyone have a Merry Christmas.

**RP AGAIN**

Doug turns back to Jammer, who is suddenly slowing down the Onslaught. "What's up?" Doug asks. "We low on fuel?" "Look at the road, man!" Jammer curses, pointing to a huge crowd of humanlike shapes standing in and blocking the highway ahead. "We're never gonna get past all those people without running them over!" "Go around." "I can't, we have big ridges on both sides." (this is a common condition on New Mexico's highways) "Back up, we'll try another route." Jammer checks his rear viewscreen. "No good. They're also behind us." He flips on the high beams to get a better look at the crowd, in the same instant realizing they are all actually skeletons or partially decomposed corpses. "Holy..." says Doug, recognizing the Masked Lich at the head of the group in front of them. (note: the time is five minutes after midnight) "Hello, Ravens," the M.L. chuckles. "Allow me to introduce my undead army. You will soon be joining them. Attack, my minions, attack!!" The zombies, skeletons, and ghouls shamble towards the truck, all simultaneously grab onto and begin shaking it as Doug and Jammer look at each other nervously. The following words flash across the screen in a Batman-esque manner:

Is this the end for our heroes? Will they be killed and their corpses enslaved into the Masked Lich's army of the undead, thus destroying much of the only hope the world has against Thailog's forces? Or will they somehow escape? Tune in December 29, same Comment Room to find out. Till then have a Merry Christmas!!

The Masked Lich's maniacal laughter echoes throughout the CR as the screen goes blank. To be continued...

**END RP UNTIL THE BREAK IS OVER**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 03:16:19 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ppz-vty9.as.wcom.net

18 OR 19 DAYS UNTIL I FINISH THIS COUNTDOWN AND TIMEDANCER SEASON 2 IS HERE. Sorry, no exclamation points today, I'm tired.

SJ- Incidentally, the original Starscream was in a season one episode of Beastwars. He was inhabiting someone else's body, but he was there.

Transformers vs. Beastwars- Um, I can't argue fairly here. I don't remember diddly about the original Transformers, except Jazz, Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, Grimlock, and Megatron. And even then I only remember snippets. Whereas with Beastwars, I love the CGI, and I've seen all the eps so many times I can quote most of 'em. Basically, in my very biased opinion, Beastwars is better, but again, it isn't fair for me to say, I don't remember much about the original.

Thats it, I'm done. I finished finals today, I wrote 40 K of story, and I'm dating now. I'm tired. Hmm, Heather also just started dating... And Green Baron started dating again. I think Spring has come early this year...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, December 19, 1998 02:24:30 AM
IP: spider-ta041.proxy.aol.com

Oh, poop. Magic isn't magic if you HAVE to have an explanation for everything. Caspian just happens to know a few handy spells because he's Una's apprentice and she makes him practice them over and over. And no, you don't need a conduit for all forms of magic. That's like saying there's only one true religion or only one right way to do the job or there's only one viewpoint. I read good fiction for the pure enjoyment of reading it-- same thing goes for writing. Too much analysis spoils the experience. To quote my son, "That's stoopid!"
Spike
Saturday, December 19, 1998 01:22:01 AM
IP: dal-as2-1021.cmpu.net

Just updated my site. Small one, but one nonetheless (I got a guestbook).

Coyote> Eh, what's this Preacher comic about anyhow?
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, December 19, 1998 12:36:23 AM
IP: tnt-2-207-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote and the Gearhead in the Onslaught's medlab, standing over the prone body of Borg-Jimmie, the seal boy. Coyote's on his handheld radio, communicating with the tank.**

Hey, guys. Since everyone's just about left for the holiday, we've put Jimmie in stasis until everyone gets back.

<"You need me anymore, boss?">

No, I don't. Go on, have a good holiday.

<"Thanks, boss."> **The Gearhead leaves**

Good, now that he's gone, I can make some replies. Oh wait ... **turns to handheld** Jason, you and Buick have fun across the border, 'K?

<"You got it, Coyote." "Arf">

**clicks down the antenna of the radio** Okay. Now to reply.

**END 1ST HALF RP!!**

Christine, Entity, Fleur, Mary Flanders, Auntie Starsinger, Airwalker, and Mandi (lurking): Thank you all for your well-wishes and condolences. Once again, you guys are the best ... *sniff* **HUGE group hug**

Kitainia: $In case you manage to read this, yes the freak assimilated was the seal boy.$

The newly SO'd: Ahh, young love ... God I'm lonely ...

Cyrway: Here's hoping it's just a cold. Get well soon, Ace!

SJ re Full Metal Jacket: I personally have never seen the movie, but know enough of it from my time in the SMB (at one time, one of the members of my section was a Marine reserve lieutenant; it was his favorite movie. I still have a section shirt from one year when we had a parody of the Marine Rifle Creed on the back ("This is my saxophone. There are many like it, but this one is mine.")).

Kitainia again: When do you guys come back from Christmas? I think I'll have two new fics out by that time ... that oughtta keep ya busy.

Coldstone: Those reasons are another one why I never entered the armed forces. I would never pass the entrance physical (I'd have to drop at least 100 pounds).

Cyrway, SJ: Hmm ... lots of folks with Vietnam family ties in here. My dad actually got lost in the jungle just outside of Da Nang for four days while he was supposed to be on leave ... and my ex-girlfriend's dad was a Green Beret.

Kyryn: $#)#(*^$&$!! (in other words, the Stars won. AGAIN!!)

Fleur: Welcome back! Nice to see ya around again. And you're quite welcome. :)

Mary Flanders: Not a problem, it's completely understandable. BTW, both of my grandfathers are gone (one died before I was born, the other on New Year's Eve about eight years back or so.). Honest mistake, don't beat yourself up over it.

SJ re Preacher flick: No. No no no no no no no no. They can't make Preacher into a movie, it'll raise the ire of every conservative Christian group in the country!! (not to mention every othe religion in the world). Although I do admit that it's very well-written and enjoyable, you can't make it into a movie!!!

**RESUME RP!!**

**A portal opens up behind Coyote. Two arms reach out of the portal, grabbing him by the shoulders.**

HEY! What ...?!

**Coyote rematerializes in the CR, the ceiling loaded with mistletoe. The unknown owner of the hands turns the blinded Bando around and plants the most passionate kiss of his life on him. He staggers a bit, rubbing his eyes, trying to clear them.**

Aww, man! Just my luck, I get something like that and I can't even see who did it! If anyone knows who just did that, I'd really appreciate it!

**Coyote, still rubbing his eyes, is now sporting a huge grin on his face as the door of the CR closes.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, December 19, 1998 12:29:16 AM
IP: modem102.i-is.com

Deuce> Masterful work on that rant; I agree with how Hussein should be taken down. (Wonder if Miriam's organization is up to the task...)
Wilek Nereus
Friday, December 18, 1998 11:17:28 PM
IP: tnt-2-207-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Sorry. Click my name to see just how pissed off I am.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:50:50 PM
IP: dialin043.connect.ab.ca

ARRRGH!!! I tell you, working 50+hours a week, and spending at least 5 hours on the road is wearing! New job sechedule is messing up my own. Good job, but a long one! Once again, can only scan the CR a little.

Fluer: Sorry, I still haven't gotten it. Are you getting some return mail about it not getting here either? Try just sending a small e-mail, that should get through.

Consparicy Theory: Sorry, I shuold have explaind that a bit better. The Illuminuti (I know, the spelling!) of the orginal Garogyles were one of the PTBs (Powers That Be) of the Gargoyle world. Jez, they were the PTBs behind the PTBs! In TGC, they were a collection of corrupt businessmen. If TGC had continued, I am betting that Xanatos and the Gargoyles would have beaten them later as one of their major enemies.

Until later, Blessed be, and I need to have a major talk with USwest.....
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:21:24 PM
IP: dialupc74.mpls.uswest.net

**BLAISISM**
[The roar of a TIE engine is heard coming toward the CR...and a TIE Defender craches through the skylight and skids to a landing. A miraculously unharmed Wilek climbs out. "That is the LAST time I try flying solo. Thank Oberon I've never tried to get a driver's license."]
**END BLAISISM**

Kitainia> $<<I wasn't aware that the Eclipse's laser was so damn powerful. Are you sure it won't obliterate more than Area 51?>> Heh...they're 2/3 as powerful as the one on the first Death Star, and I have *five* of the things. They can be fired at lower settings, to avoid any collateral damage, although if I wanted to I could lay waste to the whole dang planet. (Now *that* builds confidence.) They'll probably obliterate a LOT more than Area 51, but the superlaser techs can make sure that only uninhabited land is harmed. Fortunately, A51's in the middle of a lot of that.$

Stephen Sobotka> <<I didn't go Pyle's route - shooting the Drill instructor, and then shooting himself>> I probably would have; I would *not* take well to being abused in that manner.

Everyone who's leaving for the holidays> Safe travel, and merry Christmas/happy Chanukah/joyous Kwanzaa/whatever! :P

Heather> Oh, you've snagged a significant other? Congratulations dear! :)

Fleur> Welcome back! $Hussein theory> <gasp> Maybe I'd better nuke the idiot in my RP later...$

Fleur and Coyote> Glad to have helped. :D

Deuce> Eh...your name leads to a not found page.

Mandi> <<Might I also suggest a laser cannon ~Fleur>> Even better, an antimatter streamer cannon. It fires a stream of antiparticles, which as all afficionadoes of particle physics know, annihilate all normal matter they touch. It's much too much fun to be legal. >:)

SJ> <<Saint of Killers>> That is like the kewlest name I've ever heard. Maybe I should start reading comics; the only one I have is the bound compilation of "Dark Empire" $(that's where the Eclipse-class destroyers are from)$. BTW, speaking of dark sides...mine is that I'm the same way with graphic violence as Christine is with...eh...with what's made her fics so popular. ^_^ Which is weird because if I saw that kind of thing happening IRL I'd probably heave; somehow I'm just sick enough to enjoy it when I know it's not real. Hm.

**SPOILERS RELATED TO AIRWALKER'S LAST POST**

Airwalker> Maybe there *was* a conduit that simply wasn't mentioned.

**END SPOILERS**

Jaden> <<One quick question-What does everyone think about Dreams fortelling the future? Or that dreams are your minds way of telling you things about yourself?>> In the Gargs universe, probably both are true. IRL, I've no idea. (I hope neither are true. When I used to have to sleep, I had the sickest, weirdest dreams you've never wanted to hear about. And they were never remotely related to Gargoyles.)

Fey powers> Talent, age, and heritage all play a role; I figure it's the same way with Halflings. (Hey, does anyone remember Oberon's cape trick from "The Gathering"? You know, when he drew Brooklyn and Angela into a pocket universe or something and threw them back out? Anyone think a Halfling would be capable of that?)

**BLAISISM TIME AGAIN**
[Wilek makes a quick call on his cell phone, and a TIE shuttlecraft is sent to retrieve him.]
**END BLAISISM AND THIS POST**
Wilek Nereus
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:18:19 PM
IP: tnt-2-207-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Coyote - I'm sorry about your loss.

The following question contains some spoilers for the latest TGS episode.

**Current TGS Episode Spoilers Below**

I was thinking about the scene where Caspian shot off some magical bolts as fireworks for his girlfriend. But is that possible? Don't you need some sort of a conduit to be able to work magical energy?

As I think back into the original series, it seems that every time magic was being done, the magician had a spell book or a talisman of some sort to be able to channel the magic. The 984 Archmage fired off magic against Goliath while holding the Grimorium but when Goliath got it the Archmage seemed unable to use his magic and that's why he was looking around for a weapon with which to attack him. The Magus could only use his magic with no pain when he had the Grimorium. When he did use magic without a conduit, it caused him incredible pain and was a major contributor to his death. Demona either had the Grimorium, pages from it, or some magical object like Titania's Mirror or the Phoenix gate when she worked magic. Even Una was holding onto a magic book while enacting her knockout spell on the World Travelers.

So how can a novice like Caspian preform such magical feats, no matter how insignificant, without a conduit?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, December 18, 1998 09:44:58 PM
IP: 144.new-york-18-19rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Hmm, I've got news similar to Heathers... I'm ALSO dating now! Cool huh? And finals are DONE! YES! Man, this is shaping up to be a REALLY GOOD weekend!

Well, now I'm a little peeved at the Iraq thing, it interupted Mickey's Christmas Carol! And I was taping it this year!

Matt- I'll vote in a moment...

Heather- A boyfriend huh? Well, by some amazing coincidence, now I'm dating too! How wierd that we both started dating at the same time... Must be some sorta reason for it...

On JRR Tolkien- Great author, a bit difficult to read if your tired though. Shame the animated movie Lord of the Rings was never finished... There are rumors of Sean Connery doing a live version though...

Frodo- Erupting volcano? Woah...

JEB- Original Optimus wasn't killed, just shot really nastily...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 09:44:36 PM
IP: spider-we053.proxy.aol.com

Coyote>> What's to say. To lose someone is to lose part of your soul. We all have felt lose and grief, it's just easier to have friends to fall back on when it happens. <hugs> I also lost a grandmother after a heart attack. She was bed riddened for almost a year when she died. I still miss her. I also lost my other three grandparents and no one in my family bothered to tell me when they died. Sometimes I think it's better to have no family, than a part time one.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, December 18, 1998 09:12:19 PM
IP: proxy-381.public.rwc.webtv.net

****Not an RP, Just an entrance****
**SJ walks into the comment room, wearing a party hat and throwing confetti in the air.**
YEAH!!! Finals are finally over! Whew, took long enough. Now I just hope I pass everything. Hee hee hee (I wish that really was a joke).

Alright, now to make amends.
FULL METAL JACKET: Forgive me, I was being somewhat of a smarty pants. I don't think the film is *really* a comedy.
However, as I said before, I believe that everyone's got a dark side. Well, for me, black comedy is part of mine. I know, it's sadistic to laugh at others misfortune or pain (i.e. Pyle's), but I'll admit, the first half of FMJ makes me laugh uncontrollably (at least, up until Pyle offs himself, at which point I shouted out loud that immortal of questions, "What the F***?!?!?"). It's not like I'm a bully in real life. If I see someone who needs help, I try to do something about it. If I see someone in pain, I try to help them out. I just happen to like....well, dark little films. Films like FMJ, and Heathers, and Very Bad Things, they make me laugh. It's not right, I know, it's a weakness, but that's the way I am. I'm sorry if this offends any of you.
To Cryway and Stephen: I'm really sorry if I offended either of you. I'm sorry, Stephen, I had no idea you went through a similar situation. Trust me, I know what it's like to be the outcast or to be considered not "good enough" by someone's standards (no matter what I may say in here, I really don't look like Brad Pitt :]) just because of the way you might look or act. It's cruel
Cryway: Actually, my father (real dad mind you ;]) was in Vietnam. And, from what my mother and two older siblings tell me, he came back pretty screwed up. They say he was the nicest guy you could have known before the War, but afterward, well....let's just say he wasn't always Mr. Sunshine. Still isn't. He's told me some horror stories, so don't think I'm making fun of the war. It's not funny at all. If my dad hadn't survived it, I wouldn't even be here to make smartass remarks and get me in trouble. I'm sorry if I've offended you; I didn't mean to trivialize the War, or anyone who was in it. I have nothing but respect for those who survived that hell.

Kitiana: Well, if I can't be president of these United States, maybe I can be Dean of your university. Your little preacher pals, Rev. Lovejoy and the rest of his parish, may wake up mutated into something nasty....personally, I like gila monsters. Religious intolerance will not be tolerated!

Fleur: Glad to hear everything's okay. I was just concerned that so many of my friends in here had gone through so much bad stuff in their lives. Just remember, your life ALWAYS has value, especially to us! :)

Preacher: I hear they're going to make a film based on the DC comic "Preacher." Don't know if any of you have picked up a copy of this before, but it's great (not as good as Sandman, whose place it took, but still great). The bad news? They're thinking of casting Ben Affleck in the role of Jesse, and Cameron Diaz as Tulip. Personally, I don't think they're the right people for the role. The only cool bit was that they want Samuel J. "Bad Mutha F****" Jackson to play the Saint of Killers. Well....they don't exactly look the same, but I'm a big fan of Sammy, so I'm cyked!

Transformers: I always had a soft spot for Starscream and Shockwave, as far as villains go. And Grimlock was the coolest! "Me Grimlock smash Decepticon to bits!"
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 09:08:11 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Ack! Grand MOTHER! Mother mother mother!!!!!! sorry about that.
Mary Flanders
Friday, December 18, 1998 09:06:00 PM
IP: ramp-1-20.ucdavis.edu

*creeps in*

Coyote>my condolences about your grandfather. I lost all of my grandparents when I was in the 8th grade in just 6 months. I loved my grandpa the most and I miss him very much. He was the sweetest guy you could meet.

*creep out*
Mary Flanders
Friday, December 18, 1998 09:04:27 PM
IP: ramp-1-20.ucdavis.edu

** Deuce enters, attempting to dodge all the mistletoe, but is caught by Fleur. He accepts the peck, blushes, and goes to make his post. ** Damn. She caught me.

FLEUR> Welcome back! We've missed you! I deal with hellish events the same way: by going totally nuts. Off my rocker 100%, until I feel good enough to be my normal sullen self.

ALL THAT BULL HAPPENING IN IRAQ> Click my name for another rant. But fair warning: I use bad words, and I seriously bash Mr. Clinton. If you like him, or are offended by words that aren't on "Sesame Street", don't click. If not, do. You'll be entertained. And no criticism: it's my opinion, and it's pretty strong.

HEATHER> Congratulations!

Well, all for tonight.

** leaves, singing "Let It Snow". **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Friday, December 18, 1998 08:42:36 PM
IP: dialin043.connect.ab.ca

Greetings everyone,
As far as Transformers vs. Beast Wars> I think both have their charms. Beast Wars has continuity that the original never had. (Like where did all the new transformers come from. ie Powerglide and Warpath, Thrust and Dirge) But the original had better villians. I love the original Megatron. To hold the earth in such low esteem and such a willingness to destroy it. Not even Gargoyles villians can compare. Like I said. Each has it's own charm.

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, December 18, 1998 07:54:48 PM
IP: 144.tuscon-05rs16rt.az.dial-access.att.net

Hi !
** comes in with a blue simple dress ** I got some great news ! I got a boy-friend ! ** giggles **

That's all. And I made a pic of me as a gargoyle ! I'll get it up soon. And I hope some artist will make a better one of me !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 07:51:55 PM
IP: 206-59-38.ipt.aol.com

*BLAISE-ISM*
Fleur wanders into the CR and gives everyone under the mistletoe a peck on the cheek. Then she grins widely and gives _everyone_ in the room a hug.
*END THIS HALF OF BLAISE-ISM*
(What can I say? This time of year just gives me a buzz. I LOVE CHRISTMAS!!!!))

*looks around*
Whoa, I have _got_ to get here more often....
First off, I just have to say thanks again to everyone in the CR for their support, especially Deuce, Stormy, Green Baron, Mandi, Kyryn, Coyote, Coldstone, Durid, Wilek, Doug, Robby, Starsinger, and Dumlao.

Sorry if I upset you SJ, believe me, I know the value of life. There's just been times in the past when I haven't exactly been sure of the value of my own. I _really_ wish it hadn't been like that, but I honestly couldn't help it. But I'm much better now. <pauses, worried> Um, did anyone else think that last line sound a lot like what all those 'reformed' psychos in movies say just before they pull out the really big knife? :) (in case anyone hasn't noticed yet, my way of dealing with the hard stuff is to try to see the funny side, if there is one.) Seriously though, I have absolutely no intention of EVER getting that low again, and I will do anything I have to in order to avoid it.

Stephen> I like to think the people who die of cancer and other horrible diseases go to an especially nice place when they die to make up for the pain they suffered when they were alive. Maybe Scott and your dad are hanging out there now, having a great time. Knowing Scott, the first thing out of his mouth would be: Have you ever flown an X-wing? *smiles* That kid was a major Star Wars fan. Goes to show he had good taste.
Oh, and Thank-you sooo much for the hint of what's to come..... Sheesh, you TGS writers are into torture. :)

Coyote> My condolences for your grandmother. She sounds like she was an amazing woman. I know it's already been said, but if you need a shoulder, I'm here, and I understand. By now, of course you’ve probably realised that everyone here is incredibly supportive and understanding, as I’ve also learnt this week.

Starsinger> I hope Christopher improves. *Grins* I love the CR decorations!!

DumlaoX> I'm so sorry to hear about your family. For what it's worth, I'm thinking of you, and if you ever need a hand or a shoulder, feel free. And I've tattooed the CR rules onto my forehead so I never forget them. :)

WARNING: REFERENCES TO SEX FOLLOW.
Jackal> >Hahahahahaaaa, I'm not sure how to say what I want to say..., to you..., I'm not being offensive, I'm just curious as to how yall would react to (if you saw them walking down the road- for instance) Elisa and Goilath. I mean, it's only natural that they perform some type of sexual acts on each other..., what would yall tell her? <
Opps! You misunderstood me. My mistake, should have been more clear. It was just my strange sense of humor kicking in. Basically, I said that whole 'not going to further confused the kiddies' thing because I'd remembered something my friend told me once that had me in hysterics. Her mother literally gave her the Talk using the birds and the bees, and she (quote) 'spent the next six months thinking I came from some sort of Aliens-type egg in a crysanthamum!' My imagination then coughed up an image of three Parent-types standing, weird sisters style, around a cauldron of birds, bees, storks, and cabbage patches chortling, 'Let's throw a gargoyle into the mix! _Really_ mess with the little sucker's heads!!'
As for Elisa and Goliath, I'd do an E&G love scene in my fics if I was sure that the end result would do their relationship justice and not end up sounding like some really tacky Mills and Boon. (I love writing, but I know I've still got the Learner plates attached. Oh well, practice makes perfect.)
END SEX REFERENCES.

Oh, and Jackal, if my theory is right, well, you obviously love your kids very much, plus you understand what it's like. That's worth a _lot_.

Durid> Arrrgghhh! *Pounds head against computer* Okay, I'll send a 'Take 2'. Hopefully, this one makes it.

BIG WELCOME TO CHYNNA ROSE, LEXY, BROOKLYN ASH AND SELANIT!!!! *maniacal laugh* Oh goody, more victims.... Worried much, guys? Just kidding. We're all nice here, in a nuthouse kind of way.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARY FLANDERS AND ENTITY!!!!

TGS SPOILERS STARTS HERE
Awwww. I Love Gargoyle Weddings!!!! Big kudos to Spike.
TGS SPOILERS END HERE

Todd< X-files CD> I laughed so hard I literally fell off my chair, and I have the bruise to prove it! My sides were killing me! Sorry to hear about your computer problems, what a bummer.

Mandi> *winces* Owch. I recommend custard for the I'm-starving-but-my-mouth-has-swollen-to-the-size-of-a-basketball dilemma I lived on the stuff for a week after I got my wisdoms out. Might I also suggest a laser cannon for dealing with all those people who find the 'now you're dumb' jokes incredibly hilarious, even after the thirty millionth time? :)

Kitania, Doug, Green Baron, Jaden, everyone else > Congratulations on finishing your finals!!

Gulf War> Before I say a single word, I'd like to make it perfectly clear that this is only my opinion. I accept everyone else's view without being offended if it is different to my own, and I'd appreciate it if everyone else did the same for me. I'm just offering my perspective, not attacking anyone, okay?
I'm not condoning the actions of the US and Britain, I think Saddam had it coming, but there's two things I'm concerned about. Firstly, what are the consequences going to be? I know that Britain and the US had to make good ole Saddam understand how serious they are, and I agree with them, but bombing those cities isn't exactly making his job any harder. Although the missiles were only sent to places like the palace and so forth, innocent people were hurt and killed. I'm sure everyone has read parts of the speech Saddam made afterwards - to the people of Iraq, he's the guy who's defying the big nations, the ultimate couragous underdog, and those bombs have only increased their hatred for the US and Britian. The big question now is: What's the next move? Either way, the US and the UK lose. If he retailiates, well, we have war - millions of people dying in hundreds of horrible ways. If Saddam 'backs down', then we're right back where we were a month ago. Not everyone agrees with the bombing - Russia, France and China are way against it for a start (for whatever reason they have). These aren't little nations, people. China alone could quite possibly match America soldier for soldier, weapon for weapon. Saddam isn't stupid - that's what makes him so dangerous. The more bombs sent to Iraq, the easier it is for him to make out he's the victim. When he invaded Kuwait, the whole world rose up against him, and was all so very clear. Iraq were the bad guys, everyone else were the good guys. Now the world is divided as to who exactly the 'good' and 'bad' guys are. I've got this horrible feeling we're all sitting on a powder keg, and somebody just lit a match.
The timing is the other thing that has me worried. It's just so disgustingly convienient. Basically, we have two options on this one.
1. Billy's willie is getting him into a whole heap of trouble, so he's used this to lessen the heat on him and hopefully pull him back into the nation's favour, OR
2. This one's a little harder to explain, and a hell of a lot scarier IMO.
Consider this: You're the leader of a nation, and, for some reason, (perhaps to increase the price of oil, your country's main export), you decide to pick a fight with the world. So you refuse to let the UN inspectors in, knowing that is going severely annoy several nations who happen to be more than ready to bomb you. Now, you know you're going to get some damage, what you want is the maximum amount of damage to the other guys. What better time than when the president of one of those nations is facing impeachment? Especially since a lot of people have already been saying that he only declares war when his presidency is threatened. You make him look incredibly bad, and possibly earn yourself a few brownie points among some other nations. Not to mention the fact that it’s close to a highly important religious event. More brownie points among other nations. If this is the case, Saddam is playing Bill like a cheap pack of cards.
What's more frightening than an insane leader with a lot of weapons? An incredibly intelligent insane leader with a lot of weapons and a fantastic sense of timing.

SJ again > >It doesn't surprise me that so many people don't like what we're doing (I mean, foreign countries). Most of them always pretend to be our friends, act all nice to us, then insult us behind our backs <
*grin* When I read that, my imagination coughed up an image of a little America-shaped 'person' sitting all alone in a playground, with a few other country-shaped 'people' in the background, singing 'Nobody likes me, everybody hates me. I think I'll go eat some worms.' (And people were saying their imaginations gave them nightmares... I _wish_ I had that problem. Mine's gone through the 'weird' zone and is somewhere on the other side. :))

Fae souls> Short answer - Yes. Long answer – Hey, I’m on limited time here! Let’s just say my theory on what the soul is and who has them is a work in progress, and I’m still working on it.

Killing characters: I have plans for the deaths of a couple of my characters, but whether I actually get the guts to write it is another matter entirely. Plus, death scenes are a lot like love scenes, they have to be handled right, and I'm not sure of my ability to do it right. Besides, I'm just soooo much better at torturing them. >:)

Orginal Sin> We're bad because we were concieved through sex? *Blinks* Is there some other method of conception I don't know about? ;) My beliefs are pretty complex, so I won't go into them unless someone asks, but, very simply, I believe in a Creator or Creators, I just don't believe in the God of the Bible, especially in the old testement. He's just too...human. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the Bible's God, nor the people who believe in him, and I think Jesus was the Man. (As far as I'm concerned, he had it all figured out. Treat everyone how you want to be treated 'cos we were all made equal. If we all followed his example, this planet would be in a lot better shape.) But, although I think he's the Man, that's all I think he was: a man. An incredible man, greater and wiser than I can ever hope to be, but at the end of it all, a man.

AWCK! Sex, Politics and Religion all in one post. I hope I don't get flamed for this, and I especially hope I haven't offended anyone.

WELCOME BACK TRC!!! Oh, and happy (very late) birthday!

Cyrway> Get well soon.

Bye Ravyn. Merry Christmas!!
Bye and Merry Christmas Doug and Kitainia!!

**WARNING RP STUFF!!**
Doug, Kitania, Coyote, Ravyn, Jaden, (have I forgotten anyone? Hope not) If you don't mind, I'd like to re-join the team after the break. Especially since we're attacking Marsh HQ. I'm good at attacking Marsh Buildings. *Evil grin* Wonder if we left anyone last time who'll remember me??
**END RP STUFF**

Tolkien> If I could write like him, I would die happy. The man was a genius.

**BLAISE-ISM**
Fleur looks around the CR, and frowns slightly.
'I don't remember all these doors.' Shrugging, she walks up to one, wrenches it open and disappears inside it. After a few minutes, she re-emerges, snow on her shoulders, bouncing excitedly.
"Look who I found!!" she cries and turns back to the door. A jolly-looking fat man in a red and white suit walks out, carrying a sack.
"Ho ho ho! Merry Christmas everyone! Now, I know everyone in here has been good this year, so.. who wants a present?"
**END BLAISE-ISM**
Note: This man is not Santa, unless you want him to be. If, for personal or religious reasons, you don't believe in Santa, then he's just a very nice man who likes to give people presents. :)

If I don't come back before then : HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!!!
TTFN!




Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 07:47:18 PM
IP: saturn3.internetopia.net.au

Ugh, my high school kept us outside on the race track for an hour and a half in below-freezing weather for a bomb threat... never been so cold so long. Then we sat doing nothing for an hour inside, then, instead of letting us go home, they compressed all our remaining classes into the
time we had left... Gods, I hate that school.

But anyway... <:)

Ravyn, Kitania> Enjoy your Xmas vacation. :)

Transformers and Beast Wars> I definitely prefer the 80s animated series to the 90s CGI series. Beast Wars has its charms, but it seems to lack something undefinable that the classic TF cartoon had. (As a sidenote, I haven't seen BW season 3, but I heard that no changes occurred in history when Optimus Prime got offed, except to make Optimus Primal into Optimal Optimus... is that true?) My favorite episodes were the ones in the very first season and the ones after the movie (I like the latter best of all).

Spider-Man> That was another kewl series that shouldn't have ended (but I loved the final five eps :). They're thinking of making new episodes? That's great! :)

TRC> Welcome back. :)

Jaden> I believe dreams can be both self-analytic and precognitive, as well as much more. I've had some personal experiences in that regard.

Up, up, and away! *whooshes out*
JEB - [JEb215@aol.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 06:13:44 PM
IP: 173-92-189.ipt.aol.com

Wilek> Regarding how the religious/political discussions have remained civil... well, natural immunity to the urge to resort to petty, bitter bickering comes hand-in-hand with being a fan of Gargoyles. We are superior! This is said partly in jest, of course... but in part I am also being very serious. We, in the S8 main comment room what must have been at least a year ago, held a cultured, polite, and respectable week-long discussion on religious beliefs. Not one sore word was spoken (typed), so reasonable discussions are definitely something we can pull off. :)

Jeb> Like you, if not for Gargoyles, Exosquad would be my favorite animated series. It ranks a close #2 right now.

Coyote> I've been fortunate in that not many people I know have passed away; I don't believe I've lost even one family member as of yet. So although I can't say that I know what you're going through from experience, I can say that I can well imagine what it would be like. I hope everyone in your family is able to cope, you especially.

Kitania> Well, King Kong was hardly a cut and dry villain. He was portrayed sympathetically, if savagely (which is not to be confused with villainy). He'd been living a cozy life on this little isle off in the middle of nowhere, where he reigned king. Then he was taken from his niche and thrown into an alien world, and he lashed out, half excusably as he was simply trying to escape captivity and half more inexcusably, in regards to the points at which he casually derailed trains or stepped on pedestrians simply because they were there. But the point of that was to show how his having lived in isolation in his own little world had dulled his understanding of the outside world (Stepping on people is wrong? Why is that? I did it all the time back home and no one ever complained, in fact they began worshipping me and offering virgin females on a scheduled basis... *shrug*)

Deuce> I do the same type of thing when I "vent", only... um, *ahem*, I can't say its always when the house is empty.
Entity
Friday, December 18, 1998 05:33:46 PM
IP: ely-oh3-57.ix.netcom.com

Finally got time to read MLF! Hooray! :)

***SPOILERS FOR THE DELIGHTFUL ‘MY LADY FAIR’***

Well, firstly, great episode! It falls right in line with the high standards TGS has set itself, especially of late. Only a few minor things bother me. Having Caspian ready with a spell for every occasion is actually quite annoying, and way too convenient. Still, it was nice to see that expanded upon, and he’s a great character. The English accent difficulties also cropped up again, but if many of the accents are similar to Griff’s established way of speaking, I suppose it makes sense. Apart from that, it’s all delightful stuff! :D

***END SPOILERS FOR TGS: GARGOYLES & PENDRAGON***

Todd: (computer havoc) Good luck with getting your computer sorted out! :)
(Frodo’s name) Although I still prefer ‘Frodo’ at the end of the day, when I stop to think about it, I can see how ‘Bingo’ might be strangely appropriate as a sort of irony. I mean, there’s a fair bit of chance resulting in Frodo’s inheritance of the Ring, and yet because of it, there isn’t. But since Frodo ended up with the Ring, the name ‘Bingo’ does seem strangely fitting, and I quite like it. Of course trudging into Mordor with Gollum, Sam and *Bingo* doesn’t have quite the same effect, so the decision against it was a good one IMO.
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Friday, December 18, 1998 04:33:03 PM
IP: p36-francolin-gui.tch.virgin.net

Coyote > so sorry to hear about your loss. I lost my Boompa when I was 11 and my death-phobic father wouldn't let me attend the service so I never felt as if I got to say goodbye.

Stephen > D'oh! The _waffles_!!! They've migrated to the back of the fridge! ::smacks self in forehead::

Souls, politics, religion, and war > I think I'll sit this one out.

Christi > if I haven't mentioned it before, utter KICK BUTT story!!!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 04:20:35 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Kitainia: Duvall was indeed Max Radl. ;-) I WOULD have been tempted to give Wagner Michael Caine's voice (a bit of Wagner's character was inspired by Kurt Steiner) Except...WAGNER HASN'T GOT A BRITISH ACCENT! Frigg...Michael Caine without the Brit accent would be perfect...

BTW...if you've got a copy of that movie around...that line about Radl's Russian cigarettes...has a parallel...

WHITBOURNE *steals Wagner's cigarettes* *lights one up with a naughty grin...then starts choking and coughing* What the H*** is THIS?
WAGNER: *smirking* They're Russian...I developed a taste for them in teh Winter War...
WHIT: *turning green*
BROOKLYN: I don't think he'll ever steal your smokes again...

SEVARIUS JR: Yeah, there's parts of FMJ I laugh at too, but it's very, very black humour when there is humour, and indeed humour is not supposed to be the point of the movie. The Forces is very good at screwing some people over...

Heh, if you want disturbing...the first time I saw that movie was on work at Base Borden, surrounded by the rest of a unit that, three weeks later, needed a scapegoat and decided to pin their mistakes on me...there's one thing they hadn't counted on though...I'd worked at Headquarters the year before and had lots of friends with lots of rank. That saved my arse...if I Hadn't worked at Head Shed I'd never be back on a Forces base again. How's that for irony?
Stormy
Friday, December 18, 1998 03:40:13 PM
IP: clifford-176.wcl.on.ca

Okay, I'm going to be posting later as well, but I had to get this out of my system now ...

Cyrway, Robby, Stormy, Selanit, Kyryn, Ravyn, Deuce, Jewel, Wilek, JEB, SJ, Kitainia, Coldstone, Jackal, Spike, Aris, Todd, and Merlin Missy (I know you're lurking somewhere ...): What can I say ... except thanks so much. Especially those who've given me IM's and **hugs.** I don't mind being hugged until I'm lumpy, and I think I needed it. You guys are the best ... **sniff** **HUGE group hug**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, December 18, 1998 03:35:42 PM
IP: modem102.i-is.com

Ok I'll stop my Iraq rant.....because were erupting!!!.....yes one of our 'volcanoes' just went off and started erupting......so we're in for a small treat of exitement and eye-candy!!
Frodo
Friday, December 18, 1998 03:18:41 PM
IP: ras114.vortex.is

Happy and safe travelling for all those of us who are going to be on the roads.
I'm off to Denton, but I'll still be checking in. Aw shoot, I just realized that my access time is gonna be slower - no T1 line. Ah well.

Coyote> Here's to hoping for a good game tonight!

Later,

Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Friday, December 18, 1998 02:15:08 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

RANT ALERT!!!

Sevarius Jr> Obviously, you've never had a family member in Vietnam...FMJ was NOT meant to be a comedy; rather, it was a rather accurate account of Vietnam and the military at the time, especially the Marines.

You're probably the type who considers Vietnam "police action"...not a war...

The only thing even remotely funny about the entire movie was the Vietimese prostitutes, only because I couldn't help thinking about Cartman from South Park getting amnesia...

My step-father was in Vietnam. He was drafted. And he doesn't like to talk much on it for all the war that went on, where the Government stuck their nose in someone else's civil war, where it didn't belong.

Like the gunner from the helicopter said, "If they run, they're a Charlie. If they stand still, they're a smart Charlie." It happened too...the US killed a lot of farmers that weren't Viet Cong...it was a downright massacre...

And for Private Pyle (thanks, Stephen, for the correct spelling), think about how he felt being put down to the point of no return...

Let's hope that this attack on Baghdad doesn't turn out to be another Vietnam...

I've gotta get back to work...

END RANT MODE

*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:52:25 AM
IP: gcolor.com

Still posting from the library computer, though hopefully that will soon change.

COYOTE - I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, and send my condolences.

ARIS - I've also read the "History" series, and enjoyed it. It's quite amusing to see what some of those early drafts were like. The most infamous case is that in the first drafts, Frodo's name was "Bingo"; Tolkien did well to change that, IMHO. (Shades of Demona's original name, in the first draft of "Gargoyles", being Dakota).

Incidentally, while there are a lot of differences between "Gargoyles" and Tolkien's work, I do see one basic similarity between them. Both the "Gargoyles" production team and Tolkien created a carefully worked out world that was more or less self-consistent and effectively realized, with loving care given to the background as well as to the foreground. Both made a race that they had more or less made up (hobbits for Tolkien, gargoyles for Weisman and Co.) , but which had some basis on old legends (it's obvious for gargoyles what that is, while hobbits do bear a certain resemblance to the legendary "Little Folk", although I doubt that Tolkien meant that to be deliberate) the foreground, while placing a lot of traditional legendary beings in the background (elves, dwarves, trolls, wizards, and dragons for Tolkien, faerie-folk, King Arthur, and the New Olympians - beings from Greek mythology - for "Gargoyles"), to be carefully woven in harmoniously with them. Truth to tell, I've found "Gargoyles" to be much more enjoyable than much of the post-Tolkien written fantasy I've read.

Come to think of it, one can especially point to one particular similarity between "Gargoyles" and "The Lord of the Rings" (although I see that as pure coincidence): one of the most intriguing and complex characters in each work is a very long-lived, half-villainous half-pitiable member of the invented "central race": Gollum for Tolkien, Demona for "Gargoyles". Tolkien fans have found Gollum as fascinating as Gargoyles fans have found Demona.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:48:39 AM
IP: sys.slpl.lib.mo.us

Coyote> My condolences. I don't know what else I can say.

Todd> Ah, another Tolkien fan! Very nice. I've also read the "History of Middle Earth" books, published by Tolkien's son, showing the slow evolution of JRR Tolkien's stories, as well as many unfinished documents of his. They are quite interesting for a Tolkien fan though I don't know whether non-fans will care about them.

Jewel> First of all, good luck. Secondly: Wow! Very informative post. Though somehow, that some of the stories to follow were the result of screaming matches and efforts to retaliate... well... it makes me both very interested and uneasy to read the outcome. :) I'm saving this post of yours to compare it with the stories when they do come out. :) Thanks for responding.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:36:58 AM
IP: athe530-a061.otenet.gr

Coyote>> My sympathies on the loss of your grandmother. My grandfather died this summer and I miss him so very much. He was one of the few people in my family who encouraged me to write and I still get weepy thinking of him. *gentle hug* Just hang in there.
Spike
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:33:08 AM
IP: dal-mm2-1182.cmpu.net

Coyote>> My sympathies on the lost of your grandmother. My grandfather died this summer and I miss him so very much. He was one of the few people in my family who encouraged me to write and I still get weepy thinking of him. *gentle hug* Just hang in there.
Spike
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:32:56 AM
IP: dal-mm2-1182.cmpu.net

** Deuce enters, nearly getting caught under the mistletoe by someone he doesn't recognize... **

JACKAL re: VENTING> I agree with you. I tend to wait until I'm alone in the house, then I throw stuff all over the place, screaming at the top of my lungs. After I calm down, I clean up and feel much better. :-)

There was a blizzard last night. 45 km/h winds, blowing snow, God knowns how cold it was... and my Dad took me Christmas shopping. *rolls eyes* Oh, well, now I can relax until Christmas. (Vacation starts Monday! Yes!)

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Frozen People (it's -22C here), Alberta, Blizzardland/Canada
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:14:30 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Ok, before I have to give up my T1 work connection and am relegated to my snail-like modem at home I'd just like to post a reminder for the Battle of the animated TV shows.

The window for voting for Gargoyles is 25-31st of December, so make sure you all cast your votes. Click my name to get there.

Not sure if I'll be back before the new year - if not have a great Christmas everyone.

Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKFriday, December 18, 1998 06:47:50 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

ºººººJackal- That's all that needs to be said..., Jackal.ººº

Clogging the Room>"Please don't do it again, you told us little we needed to hear." Damn, I'm sorry..., I feel about an inch high. But for the sake of making myself feel better- Do I ever say anything that needs to be heard by anyone? Heehee how bout that?!! Hey, wait..., I just insulted myself...
<<I want to kill the guy {Manson}>>
Killing him will just make him more popular, look at Biggie, Tupac, Selena, John freakin Lennon, Anton LaVey (though his death was natural), and Jesus Christ. If you're in the public eye, death makes you immortal. Is it *that* obvious I'm a major Manson fan? He came to "The Tabernacle" (a big church that's now a concert arenia) Nov 9th., and some of his spit hit my arm!!! The Antichrist spit on me!!! Do know how cool I think that is?!! I think it's only right that I give my respect being he spat on me.
<<Manson may not be the best role model whose rules you should live your life by.>>
Oh my sweet Lord Jesus!!! Manson *is* my role model!!!! What happened?! Brooklyn used to be my role model..., Do I really need a role model? After all I'm 22 years old...., anyway..., as far as his rules in the book go, I was refering to them like christains do the bible (no, I'm not christian, despite my belief in God). Uhhh..., damn I need help.
<<Wars don't have holidays>>
Well said. How come our troops can't come home for the hoildays? It's ridicuilous to abide by religion in war..., not that we're in war, but if we war, i mean were.
<<The USA has also been trying to make another 'Enemy' out of Iraq>>
I don't where the person that made this statement lives but..., We (the people that are), are Americans. We must have people afraid of us! You know that David Bowie song, "I'm afraid of Amercians." Did you think he was bulls**tin?! We'll kick the asses of anyone who doesn't do what we want!

Anyway, something totally different...
<<Remember asking me last night on IM if I ever felt like just screaming? Right now, I could go for that>>
Sh*t man, go for it. When I lost a friend (back whenever it was), that's what I did, I got mad. I like having a good time with everybody, but when I know I can't do that no more, it makes me upset. So I scream, rant and go ballistic, it can be therapeutic- but it depends on the type of person you are. But if you choose to go ballistic, be sure you're by your self, you freak people out when you throw the phone at the wall and tear the kitchen apart, yelling and cussing until you collaspe crying...., believe me I know. I'm sorry for you and your father's loss, I hope the both of you get thur this.
"The Disassociative"- Jackal - [Jkal1127@aol.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 02:26:53 AM
IP: spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com

No RP tonight. I'm too tired.

RP Related-OK I just found out that I'm going to San Diego on 27th - June 4th or 5th so you guys can use Jaden and Tracker till I get back.

Souls- In my opinion every living thing has a soul. I don't think intelligence plays a role in determining if something gets a soul or not. For all we know this whole concept of death, orignal sin, and souls is not as complicated as one would think. Or is could be terribly more complicated than anyone could imagine. Unfortunately there's only one way (that I know of) to get these types of answers. It's frustrating and strangly exciting to wonder about these things. We are always searching for answers. If I wasn't so tired I could go on for hours with this.

One quick question-What does everyone think about Dreams fortelling the future? Or that dreams are your minds way of telling you things about yourself?
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, December 18, 1998 02:21:07 AM
IP: pm1-9.sma.silcom.com

*** WARNING! NON GARG THREAD STARTING ***

SJ: Re. The Pvt. Pyle Scene from FMJ> <shakes head> Jr., you don't realize how tragic that bit is . . . People laugh at that bit, and think it's okay. But, truth be known, that's so true to how the military used (and I stress USED) to train recruits back then. The Brass think if you can weed out those that are unfit for a military role, then all you're left with is a group of perfect soldiers. And back then, they hammered on those "bugs" or weak links in the recruit companies with any means they saw fit: from outright humiliation (like in the case of Pyle) to serious acts like actually striking or beating up a guy to get him to toe the line. (the Scene where Pyle is held down, gagged and beaten DOES happen. I have seen it come down.)

Why am I mentioning this? Because I identify with Pyle's character. I was considered one of those "bugs" in my Navy recruit company, and because of my overweight status, I was singled out from the beginning by my Company Commander with insults, harrasment, and was often left out of important tests and assemblies because, in my CC's and the Navy's eyes, I was not "a model sailor" in the physical sense. It's one thing to tell people "we are all a team! We will look out for each other." and then have comments like "You'll never be a REAL sailor, Baby Whale!" thrown in your face every day.

Fortunately, I didn't go Pyle's route - shooting the Drill instructor, and then shooting himself - but everytime I watch that scene I think, "Man, how true . . . it does happen just like that."

I'm not flaming you or saying I hate you for thinking that scene's funny, SJ. But, please think about this the next time you watch that scene: They don't talk about it much, but near to that same thing goes on in the Military every single day. And it's hurting a lot of people in the process. Can you imagine, if Pyle had been a real recruit, how the family would have felt, after hearing that the military drove him to kill himself that way?

It's a sobering thought. And it didn't happen to me, but it could have.

Once again, sorry to have to say that SJ, but it realy cut to the quick with me. You're a good kid, and I don't want to bring you down in a bad way. And let me say I'm sorry if anyone takes offense to this post. It's a touchy subject with me . . and it won't happen again.

*** END NON GARG THREAD ***

Coyote: Condolences and Prayers to you and your family. It's never easy to loose a loved one. Talk to me if you need a shoulder to lean on, okay?

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, December 18, 1998 01:59:39 AM
IP: m127.ieway.com

**RP STUFF**

The screen comes on. Kitainia is talking to Gubio, the Ravens' hacker, about the secret diary file he found in the Marsh Building's computers. "I just finished it," Gubio says. "Quite enlightening. It seems Marsh is the quintessional scheming CEO." "We already knew that," sighs Kitainia. "Yeah, but did we also know he's a fanatical megalomaniac? That's why he's working with Thailog. Our clone gargoyle pal's promised Marsh complete control of the world's economy when they take over. He'll have no legal competitors, he can set whatever prices he wants and do whatever business practices he wants. It's a corrupt CEO's dream." "Well," Kitainia grins, "now we know what his problem is. Thanks for your research. I'll let everyone in the CR know what we know now." She turns to face everyone.

**RP PAUSE**

$Read the above paragraph to know the deal with Marsh in the RP.$ In other news, this will be my last post before the break, so this is also my last RP post before then. Doug will do the last one for our party (including the cliffhanger) tomorrow night. I leave for Houston tomorrow, going home to see my family. Traveling via my motorcycle, of course. I will miss everyone here very much, and look forward to seeing you all on my return. Everyone have a safe journey home for the holidays, and a Merry Christmas.

Frodo: Apology accepted. I also totally disagree with your last opinion, though I can see where you're coming from. Like JEB, I don't want to start a flame war, so I will say no more about the situation with Iraq. At least not in here.

Jewel: Thanks for all the interesting Nameless Universe issue. I look forward to reading more stories in it when they come out.

TRC: Welcome back!! Glad you've returned after so long. $ Sorry you missed so much of the RP action. Unfortunately, we're about to put it on hold for Christmas holidays. Doug's last post of it on our end will be on the 19th, I think Wilek and SJ have already sealed up their end until the break's over on the 29th. I realize this may not be fair to you since you were gone so long and you wanted to do so much. But it's happened, so oh well. Maybe the break will give you time to think up ideas for what your character's been up to all this time. Sorry about it, can't be helped.$ In any case, welcome back to the CR. And happy belated birthday.

Stormy: Hey, wasn't Robert Duvall Max Radl in that movie? I think he was. Hmm, in Doug's fanfic the guy who used to be the real Radl is pals with a guy named Duval. I wonder if that's a coincidence. :)

Kyryn: Interesting about ravens hanging around you. Hope none are really the Morrigan, Randall Flagg, or any other bad people. <grin>

Jackal: Really, making posts that just say you're going to post later only clogs the room. Please don't do it again, you told us little we needed to hear. <insert apology>

Coyote: Sorry to hear about your grandmother. I've lost people too, I know how it can hurt. Please accept my greatest condolences and know that Doug and I both grieve with you and feel your pain.

Ravyn: You too, if you're going anywhere. I'll miss you a lot, Merry Christmas. Thanks for the funny misletoe conversation.

Jewel: Good luck on that thesis.

Wilek: $ I wasn't aware that the Eclipse's laser was so damn powerful. Are you sure it won't obliterate more than Area 51? Oh well, it may not be possible for them to block it, but we'll still be headed that way anyway. If it doesn't work, we'll attack the base and clean up matters there. It's on our way to San Francisco anyway, that's our eventual destination. Marsh's corporate HQ is there, and we do want to take Thailog's financial supplier out of the picture as soon as possible. $

SJ: $Funny RP skit, it really showed your character. :) Also a good way of pausing the RP. Yeah, Thailog should make his move on New Years. More people would be distracted then, probably due to all the partying. :) Thanks for putting in a way to pause it over the break. $ On politics, yeah, it would be scary. But at least it would be someone I know and can relate to, instead of the sort of people who seem to mostly fill the seats of our government today. I also hate the partisan bickering that's going on in Washington. And in a lot of other places, including this college campus. :(

Beastwars: I also prefered the original Transformers. So much more story and character development in there. Oh well, at least Beastwars still has good story and characters and very good CGI.

Spiderman: I always liked that show myself, they should bring it back. So many threads were left unresolved. So I too am excited to hear they'll be making new episodes. :)

Full Metal Jacket: I hated a lot of the humor in there, but it was still a pretty much okay movie.

Fay Power: I have no idea what determines it myself. I think heredity definitely plays a role, as does talent. You know, some are better at battle magic (e.g. Ares, Hutzilipochtli), some at healing (the healer guy in "The Rising" whose name I can't remember, Grandmother), some are good at prank magic (Puck, Loki), some at necromancy (Anubis, Thanator from Doug's fanfic), and so on. Intelligence and experience with spellcasting are also important factors. It definitely varies a lot on the individual level.

Mighty Joe Young: I don't know if I'm going to go see that. I liked the original King Kong, but a movie that portrays a clone of him as a good guy rather than a bad doesn't really sound like my cup of tea. Oh well, Doug will probably drag me to it just to see all the action, and in that case I'll gladly go. :) But it will have to wait till I get back from Christmas vacation. Over that time, I plan to see You've Got Mail, Prince of Egypt, and The Faculty. All will be reviewed in here when I get back, of course. :) Along with Coyote's new fic and the two new TGS episodes. Man, is that going to be a long post. <smile>

Okay, I'm gone now. Goodnight everyone, and Merry Christmas. I leave you with my last RP post before the break begins.

**BEGIN KITAINIA'S LAST RP POST BEFORE THE XMAS BREAK**

Kitainia thanks Gubio again, and he goes back to scanning more of the stolen files. She then walks over to Doug and Lathrop, who are standing next to her bike, which has been loaded up with suitcases full of clothes and gifts. "Do you really have to go?" Doug asks as Lathrop opens a portal to the road near Houston. "I have to be with my family for Christmas," Kitainia sighs. "Thailog will hold off his attack, Doug, the Ravens won't need me." "But I do." "I know. Parting is such sweet sorrow, and all that. I'll miss you, too, but I have to go." Stephanie and Methos suddenly drive through the portal in Stephanie's Taurus. "Hold on, you're bringing _HIM_ home?" Kitainia shouts after them, but they don't hear. Doug gets her attention back, sighing again. "You have to go, go. We're gonna make a short stopover in Santa Fe for Christmas ourselves, it's on the way to Area 51. We can wait there to see if Wilek's laser barrage works. If not, we'll have Lathrop call you, Steph, and Methos back to help storm the base. See you on the 29th in any case. Later." "I love you," Kitainia says, sweeping him into a long goodbye embrace. Lathrop coughs after two minutes. "Um, I can only hold the portal open so long, Kitainia!" "Sorry," teh half-garg grins, letting go of her mate. She kisses Doug one last time, gets on the bike, and throws everyone a wave. "Good bye!!" She then jets through the portal and Lathrop closes it behind her. Doug stares at the spot where the portal was for a long time, then walks off humming "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles as the screen fades out.

**END RP FROM KITAINIA, UNTIL AFTER THE BREAK. MERRY CHRISTMAS!**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Friday, December 18, 1998 12:03:58 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zom-vty79.as.wcom.net

Rolling calf- I think a fae's power is partially from heritage, partially from age, and partially from experiance. Which would fully explain why Oberon isso much more powerful than say... Puck. (But Oberon isn't nearly as fun!)

19-20 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2! We're down to the teen digits now...

Hmm, not much else to say... Guess its because I've been home all day and talking about all this stuff, all the while... Hmm...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:51:19 PM
IP: spider-wk044.proxy.aol.com

Hey everyone , guess what I just saw . Mighty Joe Young . (insert mocking laughter) . This is the first time that Palace Amusement has ever brought a movie out here before the USA . Now if they would only torch that sorry excuse for a film critic I would be able to respect them again .

The film was really good (IMHO) , my Father and Mother saw it with me and that is very rare , (mostly on account of my Mother's falling asleep or receiving the movies we see badly) . We all enjoyed it and there was actually the wisper of a tear in my eye near the end , and I was stone faced through those so called "touching" scenes in Titanic .

Now to keep the Refs off of me .

TGS : I'm curious , do you have any idea what determines the power level of a Fay . Is it heretige , size (know that's not it ) or experience . And did Oberon have a trist with a ortal at point ? i think it was adressed beore so forgive me if I'm right , but I ca'nt stop thinking about Umbriel's parents , but Oberon strikes me as fairly devoted to Titania ?

Later all .
The Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamwev.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:37:36 PM
IP: 208.11.41.210

****BEGIN RP*******
Sevarius Jr. walks into the room, where the whole gang, Wilek, Miriam, Kari, Frankie, Boba Fett, etc., are waiting for him. He smiles. "Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present to you, the most amazing, the most magnificient, the most handsome, dashing, charming--"
"Get on with it," Wilek says.
"--man that I know.....Me!"
In through the door walks Sevarius Jr.--rather, a perfect clone of the original. The two Sevarius's (Sevari?) exchange a wink. "How cool is this?" SJ 2 says.
Boba steps forward. "This is all veeeeeeery fascinating. Can we go now? I need to go collect my money, I got Christmas bills to pay you know."
SJ 2 turns toward SJ 1. "Well, I guess I'm off."
"Hey you take care of yourself. I wouldn't want anything to happen to me. Let us know when you find something out."
"Don't worry. You know me! Would I get into trouble?"
"You don't honestly expect me to answer that do you?"
And with that, SJ 2 and Boba depart for a mysterious location.....
*****PAUSE RP*********

Kitiana: Me? In politics? Really, that would be scary.

Green Baron: I'd have to agree with you somewhat on your political beliefs. The partisan bickering is what's ticking me off too.

Coyote: Man, I don't know what to say, except I'm sorry. I'll pray for you and your family, especially your father. It's always rough to lose someone, especially this close to the holidays. Still, just remember: she's in no pain now, she's at peace. And, I don't know your religious beliefs, but as for mine, I believe that she's in a better place now.

Ravyn: Going on break a little early? Oh well, I hope you have a good time. See you after the break, and I hope you have a happy holiday!

TRC: Good to see you again! Don't go away so long next time!

Beastwars: Personally, I like the old 80's Transformers show better. I like the cool CGI, but I don't think Beastwars has the same quality stories as the original series. And I agree with most people in here: Optimus Prime's death scarred me horribly. I mean, you just don't do that to us little kids!

Spider-man: Just heard that Fox may be making more episodes of the show. I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty dang excited!

BOMBING IRAQ: It doesn't surprise me that so many people don't like what we're doing (I mean, foreign countries). Most of them always pretend to be our friends, act all nice to us, then insult us behind our backs (I'm singling out you, France!).

Cyrway: Full Metal Jacket is one of my favorite comedies of all time.

Drill Seargent: Holy Jesus! What's that in your foot locker, Private Pyle?
Private Pyle: A jelly donut, sir!
DS: A Jelly doughnut? Where did you get a jelly donut, Private Pyle?
PP: From the Mess Hall, sir!
DS: You're not allowed to have jelly donuts, are you Private Pyle?
PP: No, sir!
DS: And why is that, Private Pyle?
PP: Because I'm a little heavy, sir!
DS: BECAUSE YOU ARE A DISGUSTING FAT BODY, PRIVATE PYLE!
That's classic!

*****RESUME RP*******
Thailog is thinking over his plans....
"Hmm...it appears that the conquest of Earth will take more time than anticipated. Perhaps I should marshall my forces, and strike at the New Year. That way, everyone will have a hangover when I attack! Brilliant! Bwah ha! BWAH HA HA!!!*more manaical laughter*
******PAUSE RP FOR A VERY LONG TIME. TO RESUME TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH*********


Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:06:18 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

Frodo> I was going to post an extremely (over-)detailed rebuttal of your misinformed statements on Saddam and the UN's attack on him, but I decided it wasn't worth a flame war.

Green Baron> Why aren't we bombing on Ramadan? Because it would be a bad idea to attack a country on a religious holdiay, despite how deserving they may be. We don't need all the Muslim countries of the planet angry at us.

Jewel> Yowza. What a tangled web y'all have weaved, there. <:)
Sidenote: I don't suppose Mr. Stout would be willing to post his incomplete "Stitch", would he? We've been waiting a year and a half now for it, and a partly-done one would be better than none. Besides, I have to admit your latest stories are a little bit difficult to understand in parts without knowing "Stitch"...
21 pages in 15 hours? Good luck. <:) And if you can't come back for a while, SYL! :)

Character Deaths> I've heard the death of Optimus Prime called "the darkest moment of the 80s decade." I'd have to agree. I was a HUGE TF fan, and seeing my hero die like that was quite a shock. There have been some other deaths of impact to me, like the many deaths in the final
season of Forever Knight. They struck me mostly because of their pointlessness. It's amazing how one can be attached to fictional characters, eh?

Coyote> Man, I'm really sorry to hear that... I wish there was more I could do than give my condolences.

Cyrway> Got a cold, eh? <:) Well, get well soon. :)

Exo-Squad> Darn good series. If not for Gargoyles, it'd be my favorite animated series of all time. A pity they had to do that last ep that was intended to leave you hanging if it wasn't renewed...


JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:44:34 PM
IP: spider-te083.proxy.aol.com

Oops, sorry for the 2x post. And I forgot my pic again...
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, December 17, 1998 09:39:46 PM
IP: tnt-2-123-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**NOT AN RP, JUST A BLAISISM (WHICH IS WHY I'M NOT LEAVING A SPACE)**
[Wilek and Miriam, coming into the CR through a portal from the Dark Star, happen to accidentally step under the mistletoe. Miriam: "Do you adhere to this tradition, Mr. Nereus?" Wilek: "Nope."]
**END BLAISISM**

$I support the RP cliffhanger idea; my RP is already at something of a cliffhanger, which is why I paused it early.$

Kitainia> $<<Please forgive us for referencing some of your past RP action below.>> No problem. (A shield that can stop a superlaser almost as powerful as the Death Star's? Is that even *possible*?! If you'd like to know more about my ships, feel free to ask me and I'll e-mail you with the details.)$ And thanks for the info.

GB> <<sometimes characters are created as fodder to be later killed off, or killed in the same episode>> That was the idea behind Fire Storm's Billy character, and one of my own.

TRC> YES!!! Welcome back! I was gettin' worried! (Now to find Wavers, Seri, and Zath...)

Stormy> <<I can hear my characters' voices in my head. The challenge is finding a Real-World actor whose voice sounds as similar as possible.>> Most of the time, I'm the exact same way. I can't even think of a good actor for my *own* voice. (Suggestions anyone?) Of course, some of them just sort of fell into place, like Alexander Siddig for Anoth.

All this talk of Hussein reminds me of an Animaniacs ep--the Warners inflicted their special brand of psychotica on a character called "Saddam Hinsane". Fun.

Kyryn> <<real ravens have a habit of showing up/hanging around wherever I go>> That's officially weird; ravens are said to be the harbingers of death.

**SPOILERS FOR FALLEN HEROES**

WHO SAID FALLEN HEROES!!! That is one of my very favorite DS9 novels. You have to love a novel where everyone dies. :) It was written by Dafydd ab Hugh, who also wrote part 4 of the "Invasion" series and a four-part novelization of the Doom games. An excellent writer.

**END SPOILERS**

Coyote> Ack...Man, I'm so sorry for you. I really don't know what to say except we're always here to help.

Speaking of Imzadi II, I read Imzadi I a few years ago. I've never read part II, but I know what it's basically about, and I'm not sure what they have to do with each other.

One last voice actors poll entry>
Astaroth: Yet another unwritten character; his ideal voice is the guy who played Pinhead in the Hellraiser movies. (Doug Bradley I think.)

Souls and politics> At least these debates are staying civilized.

Doug> $I forgot this again last time: Loved the Anoth card. I really must stop forgetting these things...$

Jewel> Ack! Best of luck...

Ravyn> Got your Christmas card. That is so kewl! Thanks!

**BLAISISM**
[While Miriam's under the mistletoe, some idiot kisses her. She cuts his throat.]
**END BLAISISM**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, December 17, 1998 09:38:55 PM
IP: tnt-2-123-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**NOT AN RP, JUST A BLAISISM (WHICH IS WHY I'M NOT LEAVING A SPACE)**
[Wilek and Miriam, coming into the CR through a portal from the Dark Star, happen to accidentally step under the mistletoe. Miriam: "Do you adhere to this tradition, Mr. Nereus?" Wilek: "Nope."]
**END BLAISISM**

$I support the RP cliffhanger idea; my RP is already at something of a cliffhanger, which is why I paused it early.$

Kitainia> $<<Please forgive us for referencing some of your past RP action below.>> No problem. (A shield that can stop a superlaser almost as powerful as the Death Star's? Is that even *possible*?! If you'd like to know more about my ships, feel free to ask me and I'll e-mail you with the details.)$ And thanks for the info.

GB> <<sometimes characters are created as fodder to be later killed off, or killed in the same episode>> That was the idea behind Fire Storm's Billy character, and one of my own.

TRC> YES!!! Welcome back! I was gettin' worried! (Now to find Wavers, Seri, and Zath...)

Stormy> <<I can hear my characters' voices in my head. The challenge is finding a Real-World actor whose voice sounds as similar as possible.>> Most of the time, I'm the exact same way. I can't even think of a good actor for my *own* voice. (Suggestions anyone?) Of course, some of them just sort of fell into place, like Alexander Siddig for Anoth.

All this talk of Hussein reminds me of an Animaniacs ep--the Warners inflicted their special brand of psychotica on a character called "Saddam Hinsane". Fun.

Kyryn> <<real ravens have a habit of showing up/hanging around wherever I go>> That's officially weird; ravens are said to be the harbingers of death.

**SPOILERS FOR FALLEN HEROES**

WHO SAID FALLEN HEROES!!! That is one of my very favorite DS9 novels. You have to love a novel where everyone dies. :) It was written by Dafydd ab Hugh, who also wrote part 4 of the "Invasion" series and a four-part novelization of the Doom games. An excellent writer.

**END SPOILERS**

Coyote> Ack...Man, I'm so sorry for you. I really don't know what to say except we're always here to help.

Speaking of Imzadi II, I read Imzadi I a few years ago. I've never read part II, but I know what it's basically about, and I'm not sure what they have to do with each other.

One last voice actors poll entry>
Astaroth: Yet another unwritten character; his ideal voice is the guy who played Pinhead in the Hellraiser movies. (Doug Bradley I think.)

Souls and politics> At least these debates are staying civilized.

Doug> $I forgot this again last time: Loved the Anoth card. I really must stop forgetting these things...$

Jewel> Ack! Best of luck...

Ravyn> Got your Christmas card. That is so kewl! Thanks!

**BLAISISM**
[While Miriam's under the mistletoe, some idiot kisses her. She cuts his throat.]
**END BLAISISM**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, December 17, 1998 09:38:38 PM
IP: tnt-2-123-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Coyote: I'm really sorry. I had a lot of people I know die my senior year of high school (two guys I'd known since 7th and 10th grade respectively committed suicide and my great-grandmother died), so I know how rough it is.

Thesis> Wish me luck. I have 15 hours to write a 30 page thesis. I have nine pages. After that I catch a flight out to Gegoria, and my online prospects are pretty slim there with the anti-technology fam, so I might not be here for a while...so in case I don't get a chance, 'bye everybody!
Jewel Faulkner - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 09:01:10 PM
IP: monet.brynmawr.edu

** Deuce walks in, dodging mistletoe, as well as all the people making out under it. ** Sheesh.

COYOTE> I'm so sorry. You know I'm always here to talk.

Well, I'm going Christmas shopping tonight; me and my extremely limited finances. I think I'll have to stick to just family this year. :-( I seriously need money. (Yet I can't get a job...).

** leaves, almost tripping over... oh, never mind, **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, December 17, 1998 07:28:03 PM
IP: ppp042.connect.ab.ca

Interestingly enough, Stormy, the only way to kill Gecko is to lop off his head and burn it...

*Wagner and Brooklyn look at each other and grin evilly, then run out of the room.*

Hmmm...I have the chance to get a really nice Macintosh for dirt cheap...am I that desparate?

*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 07:17:33 PM
IP: gcolor.com

**RP THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH _THE_ RP!**
**Noticing the mistletoe, Ravyn ducks out of the room, then returns with Alex Wonder. Rav grins evilly and points upward. "Can you guess what that stuff is?" She asks slyly.
Alex thinks hard for a moment. <"Hmm...little parts of Christmas trees?">
"No, silly, that's mistletoe! And do you know what you usually do with mistletoe?"
<"Uh...plant it in the ground and grow more mistletoe?">
Frustrated, Rav gives up and turns to make some comments. ;)** **END RP!** (Believe it or not, that was based on a real conversation!) ;)

This is my last post until after X-Mas, so everyone have fun around here for me, okay? ;)

Kitainia> You're welcome. :) Have a safe trip!

Coyote> *hugs* I know this won't help much at all, except to make ya feel a little better, but I'm really, really sorry. I've lost the grandparents I grew up knowing too, so I have an idea how you must feel. I hope that you, your father, and all your family makes it through this tough time all right, and I'll be prayin' for ya. Just remember, we'll always be here if you need support. Ach, listen to me ramble on...Well, I'm _really_ sorry, my friend; I hope things get better for you. :) **Hoping to cheer him up, Ravyn gives Coyote a big hug and a colorfully wrapped Christmas present.**

**MORE OF MY SILLY LITTLE X-MAS RP!**
**Alex smiles as Ravyn walks toward him. Taking a step closer, Alex decides to speak very softly. <"You know, I think I've figured out what you do with those little parts of Christmas trees.">
Rav frowns. "Oh, really?"
<"Things like this."> Alex pulls her close in a hug, and his wings conceal them for a moment. The two step apart, with Ravyn looking slightly dazed and Alex grinning widely. Rav turns back to the room.**

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS, EVERYONE!!! :)
Ravyn Maza
Thursday, December 17, 1998 06:04:42 PM
IP: 207.204.224.30

Okay, that link didn't work. Try this one.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:49:04 PM
IP: spider-tj042.proxy.aol.com

Coyote> If you want to email me and 'talk' please do so, I'm always willing to lend an ear. I've lost all my grandparents - both grandmothers in the past 6 years. ****HUGS****

Stormy> Insane minds.....

I'm off for the evening to pick up the kitty from the vet. She's never tried to climb our tree, but she does chase the miniature train around the base. Round and round and then gets scared/surprised when it comes around and gets her from behind.

Later all.
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:48:18 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Coyote the Bando> Condolences on your loss. It is never easy to lose anyone. I lost my grandfather a couple of years ago, but never came to terms with it until we scattered his ashes across the Continental Divide this fall.

Clone souls> I think it would be cogent to clarify that the process which is currently being referred to as "cloning" is not true cloning, in the sense that a copy of the original springs full-blown from a cloning chamber of some sort. In the current process, the nucleous of an unfertilized egg is replaced with the nucleous of a fully-grown animal. The egg is then implanted into a host mother, where it divides and grows as any other fetus would. It is delivered in the normal manner, and grows in the normal manner. Clones of this sort tend to have a somewhat shorter lifespan than the norm, because the telomerase is shorter. I would explain that, but I have to go to work. In a later post!
Selanit
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Lakewood, CO
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:46:19 PM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

COYOTE: My condolences. I really don't know what to say... My prayers are with your family.
Stormy
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:42:07 PM
IP: clifford-178.wcl.on.ca

SOROW- If you liked that story, wait until you see my later, better ones... They're almost all about Brooklyn... With any luck, my third story will be edited and up around Christmas...

Gold Digger- For anyone wondering what the heck Stephen, Kyryn, and I are talking about when we mention Fred Perry and Gold Digger... Well, hopefully by clicking my name you can get an idea. COuldn't find any pages with really good examples of Fred's art tho'...

Coyote- Sorry about the bad news. There honestly isn't anything I can say that won't be said by everyone else, and honestly, none of the cheer up attempts are going to do much good... I was kinda lucky in a way, my Grandparents on both sides died when I was young, so I didn't have to go through anything of the sort most people do. Wish I could say I know how you feel, but I can't. Still, if how I've felt when losing loved pets is any indication, I suppose I do. Cheer up, it'll be better after a while... Um, Hakuna Matata?
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:41:51 PM
IP: spider-tj044.proxy.aol.com

Kyryn: THAT IS *TOO* WEIRD....in the brief moment when I contemplated having Wagner die of old age (simply to tick him off, since he'd never expect to) I thought of Doc Holliday too!!! Then I thought..."nah, Tombstone did it first..." and came up with something else...

Cyrway' WEll, you can't have my Halls, i need them...
BTW, Gecko asked me to inform you that Brooklyn has been spending entirely too much time with Wagner and some of his mannerisms are starting to rub off...
GECKO: Brook never called me "the lizard" before Kraut boy came along...
*snort* Yeah, you know, I'm still laughing at that too...the short which Whit has named "Wrong way on the TransCanada of Time..."

(Has this horrible idea of cleaning that up into an actual story form...expanded and revised...)
Stormy - [rpletsch@wcl.on.ca]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:40:24 PM
IP: clifford-178.wcl.on.ca

*Big hugz for Coyote* Though I haven't lost anyone really close to me, I did loose a co-worker about two months ago...he was 43, and died of a heart attack...and he's sorely missed by all of us, his family, his friends, and his coworkers, who all remember Duncan as a kind man who never rose his voice at anything, always took the time to explain stuff to the not-so-knowedgable, and the revenger of practical jokes...it was the first time I had ever in my 21 years been to a funeral, and I could not stop crying...it's so hard to say goodbye, and knowing that he's not going to be there to say hi the next morning...

*sigh*

On the other side, I've had some meaningless deaths too, so Diane isn't the only one, Coyote, in the entire multiverse of fanfiction...Personally, up until I started writing "The Sword", Angela and Broadway's deaths were two dimensional...I have many others, too...

Okay, enough about death...

*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:36:42 PM
IP: gcolor.com

No RP for me today ... I'm a bit out of sorts (I'll tell why at the bottom of this post), so you can do to me whatever you choose today (within reason, of course!).

Killing characters: I am not going into this topic at all, basically because it would leave me revealing more than I wish to at this time about G:CM. However, I do know something about killing off established characters ... there's a right way and a wrong way to do it, and I've done both. (Right way: Elisa (I think everyone knows how I killed her by now). Wrong way: Elisa's mom (killed by falling masonry in the original Rokkan attack).)

Starsinger: We put ours in a corner of our living room for the express reason that we've got four furfoots barrelling around this house all the time. That way, if it falls, at least somebody can catch it!

Kitainia: Oh good. Thanks for the heads-up.

Ravyn: Thanks for the card ... it was great! Got me out of my funk last night (see below).

Green Baron, SJ: Very astute political analysis of the situation. Thank you for your level-headedness (so to speak).

Deuce: Wish I was Canadian.

TRC: Welcome back, dude.

Kyryn: Yep, tomorrow night. May the best team win ... hopefully it will by my Wings.

SOROW: If I recall, there were 11 issues. If I'm wrong, please someone correct me.

Jackal: Remember asking me last night on IM if I ever felt like just screaming? Right now, I could go for that ... *bad.*


RL interfering (or, Why Coyote's Being So Quiet Today):
Hmm ... there's really no easy way to say this ... last night, about 10pm by my estimation, I received a telephone call from Denver, Colorado. It was my stepbrother, informing me that my paternal grandmother had just passed on. Now, this wasn't any kind of surprise ... she'd been sick for well over a year, and had nearly gone last year (her illness nearly cancelled my sister's wedding), but hung on, hung on with all of her strength. And she was a strong woman, believe me. She raised 12 children in a time when nobody really took Hispanics very seriously ... and as far as I'm concerned, she was very successful.

*sniff*

Forgive me ... I do not cry for myself, that will come in its own time. Rather, I cry for my father: among all the women who were in his life, he was closest to his mother. From what my stepbrother told me, he was taking her passing very hard. I will be probably calling him on Christmas this year ... and together we will share our grief.

*sniff*

Te amo y bueno viaje, abuelita.

Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, December 17, 1998 05:28:44 PM
IP: modem50.i-is.com

This post is just to inform you that I'll but posting later. Responding to folks and things like that. I was gonna sit this soul debate out..., but I just can't do it. I can't keep my mouth shut, I've got to open it! Anyway, I'll be back later.
Nutso man- Jackal
Ga, Usa
Thursday, December 17, 1998 04:56:20 PM
IP: spider-wm022.proxy.aol.com

***THE RETURN SPOILER***

Entity> I couldn't stand "The Return"...and the reason the Romulans brought Kirk back to life...or rather, the Borg, was becasue the Rommies made a "deal" with the Borg to that extent...personally, I don't think Bill Shatner could stand the fact that his character was dead...there was also "Avenger", also written by Shatner, where Kirk comes back after dying in "The Return"...gawd almighty, ENOUGH OF KIRK!!! STAY DEAD!!! If anyone's read George Takei's book, you'll see that it's not me who could stand him...

On that death of characters topic, at least mine stay dead...

BROOKLYN: And what about me?
CYRWAY: You're the Champion Eternal. You're supposed to come back...
BROOKLYN: As someone else...
CYRWAY: Listen, you're now completely dead...
BROOKLYN: And now living the life of an obnoxious skateboarding lizard with magical abilities.
CYRWAY: Quit whining...

Heh...back to work...and Robbie...I wish, but I can't find my sudafed....*pout*

*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 04:42:06 PM
IP: gcolor.com

Thanx for all the happy birthdays, guys. :)

Star Trek> "Federation" was the one that contradicted "First Contact", yes. Actually, I think that one of the main reasons I disliked "First Contact" was because I'd seen it after reading "Federation", and found myself appauled at how they portrayed the whole story of Zefram Cochrane after seeing it so magnificently done in that.

Funny that "Fallen Heroes" should be mentioned; that's really the only DS9 novel I've read. I was quite impressed.

*** VERY MINOR SPOILERS***

"The Return"... wasn't this the one that takes place right after "Generations" and resurrects Kirk? I thought it was decent...except I am at a loss for an explanation as to why the Romulans brought him back to life. Why him? It seemed very contrived.

***END SPOILERS***

Exosquad> Yes, it had excellent music. I especially admire the simple, gentle, yet very emotionally-tugging music of the first season. Twas very unique for a cartoon show. "Gargoyles" is the only other show I can think of off the top of my head that has had similar music. Take what was played during the first act of "Isle Met by Moonlight", for example, if you can remember.

Thailog VS. Phaeton -- I think it would be more interesting to see these two in a competition of ruthless rulership over physical combat, actually.
Entity
Thursday, December 17, 1998 04:33:33 PM
IP: ely-oh3-43.ix.netcom.com

Kyryn> Cool! If you can, please find a copy of Gold Digger #28 (That's the Ish my letter to Fred was posted in!) and just tell him to sign it whichever way (I hope he'd use a silver ink pen), and I'll get it from you at the Gathering in Dallas.

Christine> If you're reading this, the tale and the cookies made it! (yummy!) but what happened to the waffles? Oh, and thanks again for getting the shirt! I'll have to remember to bring it with me to Dallas . . . of course I'm going to try to get my G'99 Golf Shirt so I look somewhat professional. :)

Finally finished a big project at work, so hopefully the next one will get done soon. Got to go!

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Thursday, December 17, 1998 03:43:43 PM
IP: ppp-137.icehouse.net

Robby> Just read your story. Congratulations :) It rocked, from another Brooklyn fan!
SOROW
Thursday, December 17, 1998 03:29:55 PM
IP: usr2-2-dialup14.mix1.irving.cw.net

***ENTRANCE THINGIE***

Mare enters the CR through one of its many portals and comments on this. "This place used to just have a front door, a drawbridge, and a moat." She looks around... "Where are the gators?" While frantically looking, she spots something. Her eyes widen in delight, and she runs out of the room.

***END ENTRANCE THINGIE***

Beastwars- Okay, from now on, anytime I refer to character on that show who's name is a homage to one of the originals, I'll try to make a note of which one I'm talking about.

Jewel- Collaborations... Yours sound tough to pull off. The extent of my collaborations goes to is that I use ideas my artist and beta-reader come up with...

Kyryn- Actually, "So Dam Insane" is just a nick name I heard for our least favorite evil dictator a few years back, and its stuck since then. (Incidentally, I really should throw an "n" in after the Dam, that's the version of the word being used. But I just don't feel right about cussin' in here.)

SOROW- As far as I know, the gargoyle comic went up to issue 11, that one being the December issue. The front cover shows the trio trying to hold Bronx back with a rope, and "A Bronx Tale" is written right under the title. I never saw any issues after that, and I frequent comic stores, so...

Cyrway- Get healthy.

On the Soul debate again- Orson Scott Card,(My favorite author) has put forth a couple of ideas about this. In "Children of the Mind", he suggests that there are entities in a fourth-dimension like space, that jump at the chance to become a soul in the third dimension. And they become the souls of anything living, from grass to people. The more sentinent the living thing, the more the fourth dimension thingies want to be that soul. Caused real problems in the story though because one entity got split in three, but two other entities came into the split parts... But thats another matter entirely...

Then, in a short story titled "Mortal Gods" a race of aliens come to earth. Everyone assumes they are the same species, but actually, they are from very different planets, and all are immortal. Every creature in the universe hit a similar evolutionary path to become semi-immortal, except humans. Since humans die, they had to create religion to explain to themselves why this happened. And this fascinated the aliens, because humans were the only creatures in the universe that had immortal gods...

I can kinda believe the first theory myself... But, I just thought I'd throw that into the discussion...

***EXIT THINGIE***

Mare comes back in, dragging Jim along. He's living up to his last name, and is annoyed. "What is it? Something wrong with the gators?" Mare smiles. "Nope." Then she points straight up, and Jim sees the mistletoe. "Ah geez..." And then he follows up on the tradition, swearing he'll try to avoid this place for a while. Then he notices, "Hey, have they redecorated? I don't remember there being this many doors..."

***END POST AND EXIT THINGIE***

Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 02:55:50 PM
IP: spider-wa081.proxy.aol.com

IT IS I, QUEEN OF THE MULTIVERSE AND...*COUGH!* I'se gotta cold...

Just quick notes...

Mandi> I didn't receive and comments from you, no...

Coyote> Now I'm scared...

Stormy> Remember Mal from that short of yours..."OH MY GOD, CYRWAY KILLED EVERYBODY!!!" *five minute pause.* "YOU BASTARD!" I still find that hilarious...

Um...anything else...? I can't remember...oh, well...IT'S SUDAFED TIME!!!

*PTOOF*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 02:04:49 PM
IP: gcolor.com

Look, I keep dying and coming back to life :) Can anyone tell me how many Garg comics there were? I'm picking one up tomorrow.
SOROW
Thursday, December 17, 1998 02:03:10 PM
IP: usr4-2-dialup32.mix1.irving.cw.net

First off, I want to thank everybody for the condolences that they sent me over my misfortune. (Fortunately, I can still log onto the Internet from the computer in the local public library, though it doesn't have e-mail access). Nearly everything important that I had had already been saved onto disks, so the loss has been minimal.

However, it looks as though I'm more likely to get my computer replaced than fixed; this is simply because my mother and siblings have a Macintosh computer of the same variety (more or less) that I have that they don't really need any more (they're switching to IBM now), so they've decided to give it to me. It's a bit more advanced than my current one (it's got a CD-ROM drive, for example), so this may actually work out for the best. I don't know just when they'll be able to bring it down to my apartment, however. I'll let you all know when they do.

ARIS - Glad to hear from you about the fate of Elves after death; you obviously know your Silmarillion well. It's always a pleasure to meet a Tolkien fan with that sort of in-depth knowledge. (Mind you, I think that the Children of Oberon rank more along the lines of the Valar and Maiar in the Gargoyles Universe in terms of power. Middle-earth is fortunate in that Manwe - the leader of the Valar in Tolkien's works - is far more mature than Oberon, although there's certainly not much difference between Madoc and Morgoth).

And as somebody brought up, the Third Race are immortal more in the sense of being so long-lived that they seem that way, rather than in the sense of being impervious to death. As we pointed out in "The Rising", many of the Third Race on both sides perished in the original Unseelie War, including Balor and Ymir on the side of the Unseelie Court, and Nuada on the side of the Seelie Court. Not to mention that a few minor Unseelies, such as the Morolt (a Fomorian, or Irish Unseelie, slain by Sir Tristram in single combat) have also perished over the course of the centuries since then.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 17, 1998 01:24:03 PM
IP: sys.slpl.lib.mo.us

**RP**

Kyryn, Bandit, and the gremlins look up from building a strange machine and notice that the fight is over. "Hey Coyote, I think we've got a solution here. This should de-borgify Jimmy. They pile the machine into the onslaught and head out with the others. Kyryn opens a portal to the CR, notices the mistletoe, ducks out and comes back in with a huge wolflike steel covered figure. He looks around curiously, "What's going on?" Kyryn points up at the mistletoe and Okami grins. "Ok!" He pulls her close for a long kiss, then waves at the others as she begins to post.

**PAUSE RP**

Well, I took Patchcat to the vet this morning. She's got to have teeth cleaned and shots. I'm also getting her medication to mellow her out during travel. I am not going through 6 hours of yowling kitty again!

Mandi> Sympathies and best wishes for the wisdom teeth. I only had 1 wisdom tooth. The others never grew. But that one was impacted. Of course, the painkillers wore off when I was standing in a registration payment line and no water fountain nearby! I'm glad that yours went fairly easily.

Steven> Whoops. I think that Fred's supposed to be at the con. He isn't listed officially yet, but usually shows up with the AP people. I'll be glad to see about getting the issue signed for you. It'll be awhile though, since A-Kon is the first weekend in June. On the bright side, if you are coming to the Gathering, which is the last weekend in June, I can give it to you there. If not, I'll be glad to mail it once I get it signed. I'm also about to start reading your fic cycle and looking forward to it.
Kick the tires and light the fires....

Robby> 'So Dam Insane' - so were you listening to WOAI last night too?

****WARNING POLITICS CROSSING*****

Politics, Iraq, and other stuff> All I can say is: right idea, the timing stinks for several reasons. We should have done this months ago, not waited until it was politically expedient. Ramadan is coming up. If we don't stop on Ramadan, we hack off a lot of our admittedly shaky allies in the middle east; but if we do stop, we will probably not do enough long term damage to make a difference. And for those who wonder about Russia, France, and China opposing the move: Who do you think has been selling him weapons, nuclear technology, and bioreactors?

*****END POLITICS CROSSING*****

BTW, I never commented on 'My Lady Fair'> Loved it! Good to see Brianna again, and I hope to see more of her and the Caledonian Clan.

Clones and Souls> Well, I personally believe that everything has a 'spirit force' in it. (Yes, even the computer.) Some things/entities are just more aware than others. So, I don't have a problem with the 'soul' issue per say. However, I don't believe that cloning is right. It creates too many ethical dilemmas and responsibility issues. If you create something you are at least partially responsible for it.

Killing Characters> I think that the best character kill off I ever saw was in the 'Sunrunner' series by Melanie Rawn. She took her original central character and killed him off at the end of the fourth book. It was totally unexpected, but served to advance the characters of the next generation and strengthened and changed the new main character in many ways.

Todd> Bummer! Hope that you can recover the info off the drive!

Green Baron> bible trivia - *l* I'll have to remember that for fun conversation during some of the Christmas parties I go to. I've got enough friends of different religious persuasions that we should get some good mileage out of this. BTW, I'm off to a Catholic friend's wedding on Saturday.

Coyote> Grrr. Tomorrow night!

Stormy> I have this sudden image of Wagner juxtaposed with Val Kilmer's Doc Holiday where he looks down at his bare feet in the bed and says, "Well, I'll be..."

TRC> Good to see you back! We've missed you.
$$
Doug and Kitania> The reference in the RP below is due to the fact that real ravens have a habit of showing up/hanging around wherever I go.
$$

Happy Birthday to everyone who's had one!

Congrats (for surviving) to everyone who has finished finals!

I'll be travelling tomorrow, but I should be posting from Denton during the break.

Merry Meet, Merry Part, and Merry Meet Again!

and of course, :Seasons greetings, Merry Christmas, Good Solstice, Happy Hanukkah, Good Ramadan, Happy Kwaanza (sp?), Happy New Year, and greetings/blessings for any other holidays that I forgot.

**RESUME RP**

Okami looks at Kyryn. "You found more strange friends! Didn't we have enough already?"
She blinks. "Define strange. We're strange!"
"At least there aren't any ravens around."
"Well..did I tell you about the group I've been helping save the world..."
They open a portal and leave together, arguing amicably about the relative wierdness quotient of the universe.

**END RP**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:33:29 AM
IP: 168.37.239.86

*fixes link*
Stormy - [<--Wagner's in the beer again...]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:02:14 AM
IP: dynixpc4.huron.uwo.ca

PIKACHU: Interesting...Dylan Blacquiere's little brother is a Pikachu worshipper and it's driving Dylan insane...this led to a pic I drew for him...Wagner in silhouette against a wall, wings spread, the Assassin's Blade raised over his head...and against the wall, cowering out of Wagner's shadow, a ****-scared Pikachu...caption at the bottom, "GAME OVER"

VOICES FOR ORIGINAL CHARACTERS
This has always been difficult for me. I can hear my characters' voices in my head. The challenge is finding a Real-World actor whose voice sounds as similar as possible. (I'd be a brute for hiring at Disney, I know it. I could hear 200 people for a part and they'd STILL not quite match the voice in my head....)

But if I had to...
WAGNER: I'm currently leading towards Robert Duvall (Why? HE played a German in "The Eagle Has Landed" and there's a line out of that's movie that's perfectly Wagner... However, Duvall may lose if I can find someone else who does that ironic little smirking voice better (Duvall's character really doesn't laugh/smirk too much in that movie.)
AASHLEE: This may be self-glorification but I have always thought of Aashlee as having my own voice.
ROMMEL: The guy who played Heimi Baum in "NIght of the Fox..."
ANd, If I ever write a fic involving BAMA, a Gargoyle from Key West, his voice actor is going to be the one and only Jimmy Buffett...

DEATH IN FANFIC: Having been in english classes too long, I'd say here's another example of humans ordering life through art...having deaths mean something. Unlike IRL where it's so often random. Killing Wagner (if/when I do so) is a big problem for these reasons...he refuses to think of himself as a hero so a heroic or sacrificial death won't do...he himself would consider dying in bed, after all he's done as an assassin, to be some kind of cosmic insult and great injustice...I'm really tempted to kill him in a sudden, violent, and totally pointless way...the pointless part being the POINT. ]:-}

*Wagner gives her pleading eyes*
WEll, I won't do it YET> *evil leer* Or maybe I'll make you a hero after all
*Wagner looks really scared.*

ORIGINAL SIN: I'm a Christian, but I don't buy that we're all born with a black mark on our record, so to speak. I think everyone has the opportunity to begin with a clean slate. The marks you make on it are up to you.
I think clones and animals are as deserving of souls as the rest of us...some people have tried to tell me that animals don't have souls, but I don't buy it...I know too many animals with distinct personalities...
Sevarius jr: But I'd tend to agree with you that people are more inclined towards evil than good. Though we do have latent good tendencies too...cultures all over the world believe, say, that murdering someone for no good reason is wrong.

Cyrway: Don'cha just love the forces. Frigg, some parts of that movie REALLY remind me of cadets (although we are nowhere near as harsh to one another...at least, not in any circumstance I've been in) Scary when you can personally identify with something liek that eh? (Though...that drill sergeant in FMJ...boy...the only person who could make Borden's REgimental Sergeant Major look like a kitten ];-}
Stormy - [<--Wagner's in the beer again....]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:01:11 AM
IP: dynixpc4.huron.uwo.ca

Hi everyone , guess who's back . I hope you've all been enjoying the season . And happy Belated to all that I missed (my Birthday was on the tenth by the way ) . All that aside , on to the matters at hand .

Its been around three weeks now , the pressures off (however temporarily) and I shall resume my normal presence in the CR as soon as I finish catching up . I'm a little over halfway through the middle of the week before last . So I'll be back to normal fairly soon .

I see that I've missed a WHOOOLE lot , some of which I admittedly do not regret , but the ideas that I had reading the RP , it made me miserable to realize that my oportunity for participation had passed . But all that will soon change , oh yes , veeeeeeeeery soon .

Main Character death - (sigh) One of my favourite topics . The death of Optimus prime in the Transformers movie left me in a state of emotional shock , several other times that it happened I had similar reactions , but none quite as profound , Dinobot's death for example (I do'nt care about anyone else's opinion of the show I loved it ) his death was totally unexpected and caught me offguard , thw whole day I just could'nt stop watching it over and over . Overall I think character deah is an important part in all great stories . Sadly Marvel has a nasty habit of resurectiing the best ones . In Spider Man the very first issue had the death of Uncle Ben cementing the foundation in the main characters head of the comic's moral code , which all the character's actions are based on . I for one enjoy character death (sounds morbid does'nt it ) as long as its done in a tasteful way and the character goes out in a blase (s/p?) of glory and with purpose .

TGS : The stories over the past weeks have been expertly done (IMHO at least) . All the plot lines were handled well in delivery and setup . It makes all your heartless , cruel , sadistic teasing worth it .

Later all and Seasons Greetings .
The Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:36:02 AM
IP: 208.11.41.207

KILLING FANFIC CHARACTERS: Ugh! It's not something I like to do, considering I get very attached to some characters. But, when it comes down to it, sometimes the obvious result of a conflict or a scene is that someone is or has to die! Take my recent fanfic for example:

***SPOILER ALERT***

Originally, Franklin Brooks - one of the Quarrymen kidnappers from "Discoveries" - was supposed to confront a much older (18 or so) Jessica DeGuy in a fic to follow my "Generations Quest" stories. But, when I had him going after Jessica and her brother, chasing them in Katt all the way back to the Castle, I didn't see any other way for him to survive the outcome (mainly getting his powersuit blasted by particle cannons0. Sure, I would have loved to have him confront Jessie when she had her full powers of magic in place (thanks to that piece of the Soul of Avalon), but I felt having Brooks eject or surviving in some fashion was too cliche . . . so, he had to bite it.

***SPOILER ENDS***

Suffice to say, there's always a right time for someone to die in a story, but when that time comes it takes a really good author to know how to handle it.


Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr.
Spokane, WA, USA
Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:34:08 AM
IP: m70.ieway.com

** Deuce walks in (tactfully avoiding any mistletoe) with a large box of candy canes, and one in his mouth. He passes the candy out. ** Here ya go!

IRAQ> I am SO glad I'm Canadian. No offense.

SEVARIUS JR re: ORIGINAL SIN> I agree with you on that point. Humans are basically animals, and are more innately evil than good. Goodness can be taught/learned, evilness comes naturally. (Is "evilness" even a word?)

VOICES> Hmmm....
Alexander Xanatos (future): Leonardo DiCaprio (don't hurt me!)
Becky: Larisa Oleynik
Ariana (future): unsure
Graeme (future): David Duchovny (yes, really)
Josh (Ariana's boyfriend): unsure

Any others I have forgotten will soon be added.

MORE KILLING CHARACTERS> In my upcoming 'fic, I toyed with the idea of having Goliath killed in a fight with Demona around 2005, but decided not to when I felt it would add nothing to the plot (and it's hard to write a bitter, cynical Elisa).

MATT> Good DS9 book? Try "Fallen Heroes", #4 or so in the paperback series. Fascinating, disturbing, and thought-provoking. As for hardback books, I get 'em at the library.

Happy holidays everyone! (Two days 'till holidays! Yes!)

** leaves, still artfully dodging the mistletoe. :-P **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:11:59 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Killing Characters (My Favourite Subject!)> Yep, I remember the death of Optimus Prime...I was balling my eyes out...but that was the overall impact on Transformers...same with GI Joe...hell, I was balling my eyes out when Private Pile killed himself in Full Metal Jacket...I seriously thought that he would make it with Joker's help...Hmmm...this is more directed to Stormy, that's what out-of-time fics are for...I tend to jump around from time to time, I'm in the present, now I'm in the Past, now I'm in the future, now I'm somewhere in the cosmos and lost my watch. The entire Scriptae Caligorum is like that...

Backto work...PTOOF!
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 09:58:33 AM
IP: gcolor.com

Aris: Oh, geez. Where to begin...

"In the shared fanfic universe you, Ryan Stout and Scott Iskow (and Scott Mercure, but he's long gone, isn't he?) share, how do you arrange it so that there's the continuity there is?"
E-mail collaboration. Big time. We discuss what we're planning, see how it fits in with their plans, and share ideas. For example--Ryan sent me the whole outline for "Stitch" even before he wanted Belinda (and later, through e-mails, spelled out how he wanted to use her in "Stitch"). He only got the idea to use Belinda when I was about halfway through with it. I had already started the Requiem series at that point, but Ryan managed to convince me to let him use Belinda as one of Shiva's femme fetales. The idea for Belinda to have a kid was mine, but the idea for it to be Ares' was his. *****SLIGHT SPOILER FOR "REDEMPTION"***** And my using Mark Adams was Scott Iskow's idea--he knew when he was writing "Remdeption" that I was going to be using Mark in "Ante diem rationis" (it was actually his idea) and wrote the ending with the "flames" knowing that I was going to pick it up from there. *****END SPOILER*****
Oh, and Athena's *not* dead. She's only mostly dead. I doubt if Ryan's ever going to actually finish (last I heard from him was this summer when I wrote him asking if he was still alive), so I don't really think telling y'all that is a spoiler.

"Do you talk about where you want to lead your characters and discuss their future happenings?....And with how much freedom do you permit each other to use them?"
We do discuss where we want our characters to go, a lot of times in the vague terms of throwing out ideas as we get them, so we build off of each other in brainstorms. We also sent a lot of works-in-progress and snippits as we write to each other.
Mind you, this does not always go smoothly--Scott Iskow, who is a good friend of mine now, tend to fight constantly about some things. We literally were at the point of screaming arguments over a plot point in my last series, "Apokalypsis" (but then, that's actually normal for us. We're the kind of friends who argue so incessantly that half the time we aren't speaking to each other.) At one point, I threatened to delete Mark out of my stories, even though that would mean throwing out my next series, "Miserere Mei Deus", which is almost completely finished. <g> Needless to say, he relented...only after I actually *did* delete Mark out. Then he scrambled to convince me to put Mark back *in* the stories. There's a lot of give-and-take, actually (even though Scott has learned the hard way that I can be intractable about something if I think it's necessery). But there is a danger--that you discuss a future for a character, mention it in your story, and then the other writer realizes "Oh, my orginal plan won't work. Oops." That's when "poetic liscence" and "retconning" become your friends. Likewise, sometimes you have to write your way *out* of what another person has written.
An example:
"Miserere" was going to be my last series (after "Lux perpetua"). I had tied it all up in a messy little bow that left a bunch of unanswered questions, which was how I wanted it a that point. Both stories were done, the series finished, and I firmly declared myself finished. Scott read it, got pissed, wrote an answering story that pissed *me* off because he killed off Mark (not a spoiler because the story eventually disappeared into Mr. Recycle Bin after my threat to yank Mark). But the answering story concerned his story, so what could I do?
Retaliate. Yes, I came back as a fanfic writer because Scott Iskow pissed me off. My retaliation story pissed *him* off (or rather, depressed him) so we started collaborating on a way out of what we wrote (all stories that y'all haven't seen yet) and I ended up writing another story. <g> And the two stories I wrote were revised, expanded, and will appear later, one in "Miserere" as the story "Never is a Promise" and the other in "Apokalpsis" as "...And I Never Need a Lie." (I don't delete what I write. It just doesn't happen.)

It's the small touches that make continuity the most seamless--like the flames you mentioned. We do discuss the major things we plan and because of this, it's easier to throw in the smaller details.
There are a lot of pluses to writing with the collaboration that all of us use--like story ideas, direction for stories we never would have thought of, sounding boards for our ideas, etc. But there also disadvantages, too--I held onto "Lux" longer than I needed to because I was hoping Ryan would eventually finish "STitch" and wanted to wait until the end of Stitch to post. I actually finished "Doman sara decisio" well over a year ago. And I held onto "Ante diem" because I was waiting for Scott to write "Phantom," which is the story of when Mark and Christine first met. (And he *still* hasn't written it. But oh, well. Either he will or he'll eventually manage to convince *me* to write it, which he's been trying to do for close to a year now.) It can be very frustrating. I've been frustrated a lot working with other people and I know Scott has been frustrated working with me. But I think it's worth it.
Jewel Faulkner - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 09:40:07 AM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Ugh! I wanted my last post to be green! <Sigh>
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 07:28:38 AM
IP: athe530-d115.otenet.gr

Cloning arguments> I wasn't offended by your ideas. The only way I could have been offended in this issue is if when talking directly to a human clone you were to tell him: "No way. You don't have a soul. I HAVE a soul while you are just an intelligent animal.". If you'd done that I would have called you religious fanatics, but I understand that in this purely theoretical basis, people tend to speak how they 'feel' about such an issue, when in real life they'd never say stuff like above. Sorry if my previous response was a bit too strong.

As for the 'Manmade' argument, well, babies are also manmade (well man-womanmade more accurately ;), 'manufactured' by their parents. I don't believe that God (assuming God exists, that is) has put a curse on either technology or sex, therefore I don't believe there's anything different about clones where spiritual matters are concerned. I don't even believe their creation is immoral, except when you do it for your own personal gains (as Xanatos, Demona and Thailog did), but in that case I also find a normal childbirth equally immoral (if it's done to serve your own gains). Or ofcourse when you steal another's DNA for your purposes.

Killing characters> I had a question relating to this, which I meant to ask in email, but since Jewel Faulkner is now present, I can ask it in here, since it may interest others as well.

In the shared fanfic universe you, Ryan Stout and Scott Iscow (and Scott Mercure, but he's long gone, isn't he?) share, how do you arrange it so that there's the continuity there is? For example....

***** SPOILERS FOR THE NAMELESS UNIVERSE(Should it be called Athenaverse anymore?) STORIES *****

Your comments in Requiem, made it seem that you wanted to kill off all three of your characters in that story, but Ryan Stout's wishes to use Belinda kept them alive. Is that correct? Moreover, you yourself have 'rescued' Iscow's character 'Mark Adams' when in 'Redemption' it was implied he was killed. And you also had Athena back, when she was obviously pronounced dead in 'Stitch of Time'.

It also intrigues me that in both Requiem and Redemption the mention of flames is put there by the author, giving the necessary continuity between the stories (and looking more closely, other necessary continuity touches as the needed 'death-stasis' spell are also there earlier)

So, how do you, Scott Iscow and Ryan Stout do it? Do you talk about where you want to lead your characters and discuss their future happenings? I tend to believe that since it seems you also know more about the end of 'Stitch in Time' than any of the rest of us. And with how much freedom do you permit each other to use them?

A relevant but somewhat unconnected question concerns Mars and Gemini. They are both immortal and connected to each other, and atleast Gemini's story showed that Mars was known by Ryan Stout at the time. In your story you first foreshadowed the possibility of dark things about Mars, and similar foreshadowing were (in a later story) added by Iscow himself.

So is my hypothesis correct? That each of you discuss pretty much all the futures of your characters, and adjust your stories partly due to the wishes of the other two?

****** END SPOILERS FOR NAMELESS UNIVERSE STORIES ******

Souls of the Fey> As I've said previously, I'm not certain about the existence or non-existence of god. But if there's a god, and such a thing as a soul, all sentient creatures must possess one. And perhaps non-sentients ones as well, but this is delving into my own thoughts on spirituality that range from pantheism to monotheism to atheism to agnosticism.

My guess is that in the Gargoyles universe, the idea that 'fey are soulless' is the product of the same bigotry that says 'gargoyles are demons'.

I just wanted to mention the middle-solution that Tolkien gave between justice and tradition. He could not accept the basic idea that elves were angels that stayed neutral; (as I've also read elsewhere, that -like the idea the elves are soulless- is the product of a strict Christianity with very little room for outsiders) but from that tradition he took the idea that their fate at Doomsday is not clear (for humans 'shall join in the Second Music of the Ainur', while only God knows what will happen to elves). He also took the idea that they are 'bound' to this world until its end, and that unlike mortals they cannot leave it. (so in a sense they don't have souls that can go in Hell or Heaven) *However* they *do* have souls in the sense that they don't go out like a candle on death, and are able to be reincarnated (or simply remain in the Halls of Mandos); so justice is served.

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 07:27:44 AM
IP: athe530-d115.otenet.gr

Kitainia> I apologize if I offended you, or anyone for that matter. Ok its true Saddam is realy a lousy ruler.....but a great deal of the misery that the common people of Iraq is suffering is directly realated to the econonmic ban put on Iraq.......wich has been held in place almost exclusivly by the US. Another point is that the US has done nothing to bring Saddam out of power....and you cant do anything about it short of killing him.....wich you realy cant do for moral reasons. The USA has also been trying to make another 'Enemy' out of Iraq....to fill in the gap that formed after the fall of the USSR as a superpower. This has no basis!!
Frodo
Thursday, December 17, 1998 04:37:08 AM
IP: ras102.vortex.is

Deuce> Haven't read Peter David's Imzadi II yet, as it's only in hardback at the moment and costs too much. I might get it when the paperback comes out (haven't bought any new trek books in years, anyone know any good DS9 ones?).

Entity> I meant three alternate realities/universes, Jeb pretty much answered for me. Was Federation the one that was contradicted by the First Contact Zefram Cochran stuff? BTW I agree with you about the books to films.. Vendetta would have been way better than First Contact.

Sevarius Jr> Beastwars seems to be re-using old Transformer
names and applying them to new characters - I think Scorponok and Inferno are also in the series, the Maximal (new Autobots) pseudo-leader is called Optimus Primal and the Terrorcon one is Megatron. Anyone be more specific - they don't screen it over here.
Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKThursday, December 17, 1998 04:20:55 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

RP WARNING

**It is another area of the world than the current RP. The scene shows a secret mountain base in West Virginia. Inside the mountain is a perverted pleasure dome, like Jabba's barge. At the high seat is a deformed man in a wheelchair, known as Larry Flynt. Among his entourage is Bob Packwood, Lawrence Walsh, James Carville, Ted Kennedy, and Geraldo Rivera.

Turn to another scene. Inside a house in New orleans stands a man in a three-piece suit talking with a cat in a minister's garb, five giurls in fancy school uniforms, and Charleton Heston in white tie and tales.**

END RP WARNING for now

Clone souls> I apologize to Aris and Jewel if my beliefs offended you. I agree with Aris that test tube babies have souls and I believe that all humans have souls from conception onward. I just don't see that as the case with cloning, since it is IMO a genetic photocopy and while it is sentient and human and living, it is still manmade. I have no official opinion and I won't until the Pope addresses teh issue, which is not a pressing concern right now. I do support cloning organs and animals, though. As for cloning being natural or not, vegetables do it all the time.

Bible Trivia> Here's a controversy. According to Genesis, Eve was a clone of Adam, since she was created from Adam's rib. Tell that to a fundamentalist for a good argument :)

POLITICAL RANT. If you are a partisan Democrat or Republican, you may get offended

Coyote and Sevarius JR> I'd have to agree with your sentiments, and I do believe Clinton is just doing his typical routine. On the othe rhand, I am dissapointed with the Republicans for their wasted efforts. Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas, a state slightly less corrupt than Louisiana. And like all Governors of third world podunk Southern States, he cannot be caught doing anything that will get him in trouble. Edwin Edwards is the same. Of course, if he was caught pulling a Lewinski, he'd admit and joke it off, and people would have signs saying win one for the zipper (that was one of his campaign slogans when he ran for Governor in 1983. In his last election in 91, it was vote for the crook). The Democrats may be the Amoral party, but the Republicans are the Stupid Party. They should never have bothered with all these scandals. They had an agenda that was well liked, and in fact teh Democrats took it and made it their own. They need to go back to an agenda of tax cuts, welfare reform, privatizing Social Security, and reducing the bloated worthless overgrown Government. I am a registered Republican, but I will probably switch to the Libertarian Party, which would define me as a conservative borderline anarchist. I just hope Bob Livingston can cut some of the partisanship. That's the real problem. It seems that a witchhunt is formed after anyone by the opposite party. If it's not Bill Clinton, it's Clarence Thomas, or Robert Bork. When Newt Gingrich became Minority Whip, he raised a bunch of Ethics charges against then-Speaker Jim Wright over a book deal, and Jim resigned. When Newt became Speaker, Minority Whip David Bonior did teh exact same thing, though Newt didn't resign until he finally realized he was an asset to the Democrats, not the Republicans. The main problem with all of this is the partsianship. When Tip O'Neil was Speaker, he and Minorty Leader Bob Michel played golf together. Bob Dole has been offering Clinton advice on Kosovo. William Bennett and Joe Lieberman formed a grassroots campaign against trash TV. The ultimate problem is not Republicans or Democrats, it is the constant partisan bickering, which is now done by Republicans, but ultimately what is needed is for the Congress to get rid of their Whips and forget about Party. People may be opponents, but they don't have to be enemies. That's all.

Air Strikes> If Clinton means business, he needs to send in group troops, and he shouldn't halt fighting for Ramadan. Wars don't have holidays.

Coyote> I doubt Doug would be upset. We all have differing ideologies, and hopefully no one in this CR is going to dislike someone, because of their political views.

Jewel> I'm glad you found my cigar crack amusingly offensive. That guy is one of my favorite jokes :)

Original Sin> It's a doctrine I believe, but for those religions that have it, the initiation rites erase it. I don't believe it is caused by your parents' intercourse, and I don't believe the Adam & Eve story as fact, but Original Sin is canon law, so there is no other option for me, but to believe in it. Believe what you will, but this is what I MUST believe.

Entity> Well, that's the established doctrine. I hope it didn't upset you too much when you were told that.

Killing characters> It has to be done properly. Of course, sometimes characetrs are created as fodder to be later killed off, or killed in the same episode. Right Christine?

Robby> In that story, LBJ was in an even lower part of Hell. I'd like to bring him back to life, so I can have some people restrain him while I kill him again with a plastic spoon and some flesh eating bacteria :)

Celebrity Death matches>I can't say that I kno wthose othe rcharcters. Here is one I keep forgetting. Since my political views are wll known, I should mention on especial interest group I really hate. Labor Unions. Now I will demonstrate my opinion of Organized Labor with this fight:

Tony Dracon vs Teamster President-elect Jimmy Hoffa
Danforth vs that bum Dan Rostenkowski

RESUME RP

**We return to the house in New Orleans. A map of West Virginia and some directions are posted. Tuxed Charleton Heston is loading up his uzi and starts friing at an issue of Hustler. It's time to bust a pervert

To be continued...**




Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:38:33 AM
IP: 208-52-216.ipt.aol.com

20-21 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON TWO!!!

Clinton bombing Iraq- So Dam Insane deserves to be attacked, but the timing IS awfully conveniant for the Pres, who was to be impeached only a few hours later... Ah well, maybe they'll surrender to the camera crews again.

Lets see... Character voices... Well, I actually have quite a lot of characters, but I'll stick to who you've seen...

Vincent- Jeff Bennet, no question about it. He's one of my favorite voice actores, he once did a voice on Biker Mice from Mars that was perfect, and because he shares so many scenes with Brooklyn (Almost all of them) and Owen... I gotta go with Jeff. Make him EARN that paycheck...
Kelsi- Frank Welker, 'cause he does ALL animal voices. 'Nuff said.
Nikkie- Don't know. There aren't many actresses that can do an Australian accent...

Starsinger- Yeah, Tigertron and Airrazor were kidnapped by aliens, but since so far there hasn't been ANY reason for it, they are the equivilent of dead, for no real reason.

SJ- The Beastwars Dinobot. The raptor.

Interesting thing to note- Anybody sending out presents, today is the day to send the following...
Four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Ah well, good holidays everybody!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:35:37 AM
IP: spider-wj021.proxy.aol.com

And so *I* said, "WHAT gargoyle in a clown suit??" <G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Lakewood, CO
Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:28:49 AM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

**RP!!!**

Kyle's Mom (who Doug forgot to kill, thanks for reminding us Ravyn!) is still blasting people with her lasers. Stephanie and Methos both sneak up behind her and slash out with their swords. As a result, she is sliced up and destroyed. They give each other a high-five. The rest of the Borg Furbies are soon mopped up, and the Ravens, etc. regroup in the center of the police barricade. "Thanks for your help," says DC Robeson. "But I'd like you guys to leave now. When you're gone, the city may not be attacked again." Janice seconds the motion. Doug nods and motions to Coyote and Gearhead to put Borg-Jimmy (he's the only freak who got assimilated, right?) in a containment field until they can find a way to unassimiliate him. The Ravens then all get back into the Onslaught truck and start driving out of town. In the process, they also start discussing the recent events, healing up and resupplying, and talking about their next move. Kitainia grabs Doug and pulls him toward a portal Elena has opened for her. "Where are you taking me?" Doug asks. They step through the portal into the CR. "Misletoe," Kitainia points. Doug gets the idea and they share a long passionate kiss under it. Kitainia then turns to make a few comments.

**PAUSE RP**

First off, thanks go to Theresa for that misletoe. <grin> I definitely second her well-wishes to all traveling this holiday season.

$RP Cliffhanger: You know I support it. Hope everyone else does as well. (SJ and Jaden did not answer.) $

Todd: Sorry about your computer crashing. Hope you get back online soon so we can see you again.

Political Stuff: I won't comment on this, this really is not the place to talk about it. Let's just say my stance on Iraq is the same as SJ's, on Impeachment it's the same as over half the American people. Enough.

Masked Rider: I remember that show. The memories are in no way pleasant.

Jewel: I meant every word I said. And you don't need to blush, you have a lot to be proud of. :)

Jackal: <breaks into song> Nutso nutso nutso man!! Our friend Jackal is a nutso man!! <stops singing> Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. But your last post, especially the link, proved what I already knew. IMHO, Manson may not be the best role model whose rules you should live your life by. But if you want to, it's your choice. I'm not going to flame you for it. Remember my e-mail couch is always open if you ever need to talk about something or vent.

Ravyn: Thank you very much for that entertaining Snowboarding Santa holiday card. Too bad you're going away again soon. Oh well, we are too. :(

JEB: Take all the time you need, we're not holding a gun to your head or anything.

Coyote: Don't worry, you didn't piss off Doug or me, for that matter. $If you need help from Gubio or anyone else in our gang to unassimilate the seal-boy, please feel free to use their capabilities.$

Jaden: Welcome back to you. You didn't miss too much. Just a new episode, a little RP action, and a few debates. :)

SJ: You should run for office. You certainly have an attitude about politics I can agree with. Plus, you're a good friend. If I could (we don't live in the same district), I'd vote for you.

**DOUG'S FANFIC SPOILERS!**

Mandi: You should be entertained by Doug's latest, it's very good. (Sorry, just had to say it.) There are dragons, knights, evil fay, and Brooklyn, as well as lots of good plot and character. He keeps getting better, I think. Someone gave the fic two stars, though. Doug does wish whoever it was would send him an e-mail saying why. Oh well, they probably won't see this, so he won't get one. <Doug sighs.> Please don't forget to send your own comments.

**DOUG'S FANFIC SPOILERS END**

Eliza Dushku: She was great, both in True Lies and on Buffy. I definitely like her better than the last second Slayer. Willow and Xander are still my favorite characters, though.

Frodo: I find your opinion on the Iraq issue a little offensive. Yeah, they've done nothing wrong to us. But what about all the people dying because Saddam spends his money on things like building palaces and beefing up the military with chemical weapons instead of helping get them food, medical supplies, and other aid? If he cared about his country, his people, and anything other than himself and his own power, he'd be using what little resources the sanctions give Iraq to improve his people's lot in life. But he's not. Instead he's building up his power base and living like a modern-day absolute despot. Worse, he's manipulating the UN and several other countries to let him keep on doing it and hurting his people again and again. This has been going on ever since he got into power, and IMHO such a man as Saddam does not deserve to rule any country, not even one of the lesser developed places in the Mid-East. Yeah, he's done nothing to America. But he has done and continues to do terrible things to his own country, and any good American who supports the principles our founding fathers fought and died for should not let him. Or anyone. So yeah, we have an interest in this. We're helping other people out, something anyone should be glad to do. Please think about the situation this way, it's not all negative. Plus, how do we know for sure Clinton is just doing this to distract everyone from the impeachment issue. You can never totally get inside someone else's head and know why they do everything they do, so it's really best not to just assume stuff.

Ack, I said I wouldn't say anything about Iraq and I just said a lot! Sorry. :) Hope this room doesn't become a political debate forum because of me.

Wilek: $You're stopping now? Okay, whenever. Please forgive us for referencing some of your past RP action below. See you back in action on the 29th.$ Jericho's father is Goliath.

Congratulations to all who have finished their finals and a Merry Christmas!!

Doug wants everyone to know he has fixed all his e-mail problems with the help of two men from Sprynet Tech Support. So now he can send messages with his regular address again. <Doug thanks Kitainia for saying that>

That's all for now. Bye everyone!

**MORE RP ACTION!**

Doug and Kitainia do another kiss under the misletoe. Jammer & Tricia also come through the portal and do one. They are followed by Stephanie and Methos, who also do a kiss. The other four Ravens stop kissing and look at each other. "Okay," Jammer says. "Looks like I was right about those two." Kitainia sighs. "I hope it won't distract them from our mission." "I'm not worried," says Doug. "Hey guys!" Keith sticks his head through the portal, he looks chagrined as he notices Stephanie and Methos. All the Ravens turn to face him. "We got a message from Anoth up on the Dark Star," Keith goes on. "He says Thailog is planning an all-out Christmas offensive with cloning cylinders. Wilek's going to use his base's weapons to destroy Area 51 before he can." "That might not work," Kitainia interrupts. "If Thailog's using Imperial technology, he might have a deflector shield that can block Wilek's laser barrage." "Then he'll have to attack the base on foot again," says Doug. "And he'll need our forces' help." "So," nods Jammer, "we better shove off for Area 51 next." "Good thing Cobra and those other two bikers are still with us," says Tricia. "They've been there and can help us find it." "Let's go," says Doug. All seven of the Ravens (including Methos) hop through the portal and close it behind them. The screen goes blank. To be continued next time.

**END POST AND RP**
Kitainia (with a small bit from Doug) - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:17:39 AM
IP: hil-c45-026-vty188.as.wcom.net

**RP!**

I'm using part of the previous RP post, in order to correct a slight characterization error. [Miriam: "Is this acceptable to you, Mr. Fett?" Fett: "Makes no difference which one I take; I get paid either way." SJ: "Then it's settled; I'll go make the clone. Pretty soon, we'll find out what's going on here."]

**THINK I'LL PAUSE MY END OF THE RP NOW INSTEAD OF SATURDAY** $I'm doing this because at this point, all I have to do is give the command and Area 51 will be little more than molten glass. Click my name to learn just how; the page describes the Eclipse star destroyers I've so often mentioned. There are pictures too.$

Doug's Fanfic Voice Actors Poll>
Me: Don't know. I sound kind of somewhere between Aladdin, Simba, Kovu, and some other characters with similar voices. (Suggestions anyone?)
Miriam: Whoever did the voice of Lara Croft from Tomb Raider. They sound JUST ALIKE.
Anoth: Alexander Siddig aka DS9's Dr. Bashir.
Forfexx: I probably could; I'm capable of sounding really twisted. If not me then Malcom MacDowell, in the same accent as he had in "A Clockwork Orange".
Cocytus: He's the villain from a fic I haven't finished yet; his ideal voice is Robert Hirschboeck, aka The 7th Guest's Henry Stauf. (Does anyone here have that game or its sequel, The 11th Hour? I love those games.)
Shiana: Another unfinished character. Victoria Morsell aka Phantasmagoria's Adrienne Delaney.
(I didn't give spoiler warnings because I didn't give away anything except the existences of these characters, and that's not enough to spoil anything.)

Christine> For no reason that I can comprehend, I'm suddenly somewhat curious: Who's Jericho's father?

Todd> Computer problems? Oh shoot! Hope it's fixed soon...

Jackal> <<dead deformed fetus's talking to me>> ECCH. I am so grateful that I don't live in your head. :P (Although it would make for an interesting Weird Sisters avatar image...)

**POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR MY FICS**

Killing Off Characters> I'd like to do this at some point--but killing off characters too early can destroy any chance of a sequel. I have a fic planned where, in its early stages of planning, I killed off a certain character. In the current version, I'm not going to, because I now plan on writing a sequel. You've got to be careful. (I'm toying with the idea of killing off Angela at some point...)

**END SPOILERS FOR MY FICS AND BEGIN A MAJOR ONE FOR THE STAR TREK NOVEL "THE RETURN"**

Fight>
Picard VS. Kirk
It was a draw.

**END SPOILERS**

Clinton bombing the snot out of Hussein> Hussein has it coming--has had it coming for a long time--but really, Clinton *is* mostly doing it to draw attention from himself. I think absolutely everyone who's gotten involved in this whole scandal has made complete idiots of themselves.

SJ> <<Sorry that I totally butchered Zale's background>> No big deal. $BTW I'm glad you mentioned "The Return"; that's where the scuttlers are from. Except mine have plasma cannons.$

**RP WILL CONTINUE ON THE 29TH**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:00:32 AM
IP: tnt-2-25-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Jr Dinobot of the Beast Wars fame. Former Predicon.

To all who are traveling this holiday season: May your journey be safe. Both there and back. We will miss you while your gone.

I haven't put up a Christmas tree. With kittens can you say jungle jim. It's bad enough that the little darlings think my bike tires and seat are places to sleep on, but the older ones play leap frog. "Crash".

Auntie Starsinger puts up lots of mistletoe around the comment room.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:14:24 PM
IP: proxy-361.public.rwc.webtv.net

Souls>Now what is a Soul.......is it your 'Life Force'?.....or just somthing entirely different....or does it even exist....now iff it exists then I think most or all creatures born or created on this earth or one of its realms, such as Avalon, has a 'Soul'.

Clinton> I cant belive it......Is this realy the 'American Way' of dealing with problems at home.....bombing undefended countries on the other side of the world who have done you Nothing wrong at all......I ask?
Frodo
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:55:50 PM
IP: ras101.vortex.is

Rayvn's back...oops, never mind. See you when you get back!

**FANFIC PLUGS AND MENTIONS BEGIN**

Oh, what the heck, while we're doing this, I'll add in my own. Some of these guys have big parts in in-progress or being-fixed fics. If they seem odd to people, well, that's how they sound in my head. All are voices only (unless specified otherwise).

Sarah: I have NO idea. The only Aussie actress I know of is Catherine Sutherland, and she wouldn't fit.
Callie: Naomie Harris (also could play her)
Drew: Christopher Daniel Barnes
Handsaw: Steve Buscemi, recently.
Sam Denaro: She belongs to Shadow Master, I don't have the right to say. (I keep thinking Eliza Dushku for the voice, though.)
Random: Melissa Joan Hart
Rachel Denaro and Robert Walker: Marisa Tomei and Cuba Gooding Jr.
Isabelle Reynolds: Jane Leeves. Don't ask why.
Ray Harrison: Tom Skerritt (also could play him)
(The folks from Denver/Laramie I'm still rewriting)
Madison: Cyndy Preston
Colleen: Ming-Na Wen
Razor: Chris Rock
Sheridan: Bonnie Hunt
Powell: John Mahoney
Cody: Eliza Dushku
Woody: Seth Green
Jim Watson: Tommy Lee Jones
Alan Dawson: Kevin Kline
Nicki Van Tyle: Dana Delany
Dana Van Tyle: Christina Ricci

Gak. This is what I get for trying to write four fics at once.

**FANFIC PLUGS, ET AL. END**

You know, mentioning Eliza Dushku from Buffy--I realized today where I'd seen her before. Remember "True Lies", anyone? She was the daughter in it, and looking at her now, four years can really help avoid typecasting. Geez.

Jaden> Welcome back!

Okay, it's late, I should get off now. More doc's appointments tomorrow. Night!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:55:47 PM
IP: p1-23.netgsi.com

****BEGIN RP****
Fett is still holding the blaster on Sevarius Jr. "You're coming with me," he says menacingly.
"But why? What do you want from me?"
*****PAUSE RP********

Whew, got a lot to say today.

WARNING: POLITICS SPOILERS. DEMOCRATS/CLINTON SUPPORTERS MAY BE OFFENDED.
Well, regardless, you gotta admit this was a little *too* convenient. Hours before they're gonna boot your ass outta office, you start a war. When you think about it, it's pretty smart. But frankly, when I think about it, I get a little pissed. I've heard that "this has been a long time coming." That's my point. You should have nuked his ass months ago! Now you're just saving your own rear end. Still, that's some good political strategy.
As for Clinton's military ability....I ain't Johnny Marine myself, but I don't think any president (with the few who may have actually served in some form of the military) knows dick about warfare. It's the Joint Chiefs and the State department that calls the shots.
And finally, (please don't start a political debate! Please! Please!) I'm real close to becoming an anarchist. I think, at this stage, both the Democrats and the Republicans are both F***ed up. They both are acting like children. "You did a bad thing!" "No I didn't, you're just being mean to me!" Why the hell do you think they elected a WRESTLER to office? People are sick of both sides. Hell, I'm thinking of running for office. I mean, I couldn't do a worse job...
****POLITICAL SPOILERS END******

Original Sin: Oh my God, politics and religion in one post? I'm breaking all the rules!
Personally, my own belief is pretty pessimistic....in that, I think everyone is, deep down, a dirty SOB. I mean, yeah, we don't always act like it, but I think we act like it most of the time (or at least far, far more than we should). I think it's innate. We're all @$$holes. We lie, cheat, and steal, and worse, we're so use to doing so we've become apathetic about it. But then again, that's just my opinion, my very, very dark and disturbing opinion....

Clones: Despite my "on net" persona, clones actually make me real nervous. This is coming from several years of religious indoctrination, but for me, Cloning = Men trying to be God. Makes me nervous. In that case, Clones are not natural beings--they weren't created by the natural process of nature....oh well, I'm in an introspective mood tonight. I do admire the accepting attitudes of Jewel and Aris though.

Wilek: Read down, and you'll see where I'm going with the RP (for me, at least). Sorry that I totally butchered Zale's background!

Masked Rider: God, that show had almost been completely wiped from my memory.

FanFic: Yes, we are Gods. And I am a vindictive God, yes I am!!!!!
As for killing characters.....I must admit, there is a certain rush there.....

Jackal: You might be certifiable. And I love you for it!!! As for a deformed fetus....that's pretty gruesome. Can't say that anything that bad has happened to me before....

As for Manson....well, some people can take him or leave him. Frankly, I think the man's a genius (as an artist and as an icon). He knows how people feel about him. Why do you think he acts the way he does? He's loving it all. You should hear some of his views on people in Hollywood and some of his fellow musicians....

Star Trek Novels: One of my favorites was "The Return", written by Will Shatner. *snicker*
I'm sorry, but I find it hilarious whenever I hear those words: "written by Will Shatner." Who is he fooling?

Deuce: Yes, Saddam's great at dinner theater. He does a mean King and I ;)

Furbies: I take no responsibility for these unholy monstrosities.

Death: In the world of comics, death means squat. Your dead one panel, you're alive and kickin' in the next. Ah, but at least good of Bucky (Cap America's sidekick) stays dead!
But let me get something straight--they killed Dinobot? As in which Dinobot? Grimlock? He was always my fave!

Prince of Egypt: This is the flick I *have* to see this holiday. Except Kilmer plays Moses...Yeah, there's realistic casting. Jim Morrison parting the Red Sea.

*****RESUME RP*******
Fett levels his blaster. "I was hired to retrieve Sevarius Jr. and keep him safe from harm until this whole matter is resolved."
"Keep me safe?" SJ asks, confused. "Who wants to keep me safe?"
"Let's just say you have a mysterious benefactor looking out for you. Now, we can do this the hard way..."
"You'll never make it out of here, Fett," Wilek says. "The Dark Star is too heavily armed. We'd take down your shipt the minute you left. That is, assuming you ever made it to your ship in the first place."
"I've gotten myself out of tighter fixes than this. And I've beaten better foes than you."
SJ holds up his hand. "Hold it you guys. I have an idea. Fett has to take me back to his employer, right?"
Everyone nods in general agreement. "So," SJ continues. "I'll go with him."
"You'll WHAT?" Kari shouts.
"Well, not me," SJ says with a smile. "A clone of me. He can go with Boba, and when he gets the chance, he can let us know who this 'mysterious benefactor' is."
The others debate the idea for a moment. "Is this okay with you, Fett?" Miriam asks.
"Makes no difference which one I take," the bounty hunter replies. "I get paid either way."
"Then it's settled," SJ says. "I'll go make the clone. Pretty soon, we'll find out what's going on here."
TO BE CONTINUED!!!
*****END RP********




Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:50:41 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

****Short RP tonight!****
Jaden and the rest of the team continue to battle the borg-toys. "Make a fur coat out of me, Jaden mumbles as he slams a fist into one of the little devils. "I'll make minced meat out of you!"
****END SHORT RP!!!****

Hey everyone. I'm back!!!! What did I miss?
I had soooo much fun with finals. NOT! As I suspected right when I needed to be well my family got hit with some sort of flu bug. I got over it really quick, but I still felt terrible during my logic final and I could barely remember anything.
Anyway...

The Tempest-I saw it and liked it, but I really hate it when they end a movie with the guy saying no more magic. Like in Merlin.

Iraq-I new this was going to happen I was just wondering when.

Robby-I like that EXO-Squad too. The theme music was great.

Well I'll see you all later.
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:43:56 PM
IP: pm1-4.sma.silcom.com

**RP!**
**Ravyn is wrestling with Kyle's mom. The brawl has turned into the ultimate slap-fight. Kyle's mom kicks Ravyn, but Rav quickly is back on her feet. Ravyn lunges at Kyle's mom, but she dodges out of the way and Rav falls smack down on the pavement next to Coyote. Ravyn pretends she's unconcsious, and Kyle's mom walks away. Rav rolls over to make some comments.** **END RP 4 NOW**

Thanks to all who welcomed me back! But I'll be gone again pretty soon; tomorrow might be my last post for about a week! :)

$Doug> Sounds good about that RP cliffhanger ending. It would give us all a chance to come up with some really good ideas, and it'd be a great way to end it for a while!$

Christine> You're gonna kill off Jericho?!? Aw, man! Even though he's sick and twisted and pretty much insane, I have to admit I love the little guy too! ;)

Entity> Happy Birthday! :)

**TGS SPOILERS**
**Awww....I _loved_ this episode because it was just sooo sweet. I liked how Griff finally realized he needed to go back for Brianna. ;) Perfect ep for the hopeless romantics out there like me. :) **END TGS SPOILERS!**

**RESUME RP!**
**Ravyn kneels next to Coyote, who's still breathing pretty hard. "What's wrong, Coyote?" Rav asks him.
<"Nothing. Just give me a minute. I'll be okay.">
Rav frowns. "No, you're not okay. What hurts?"
Coyote doesn't answer. Rav puts a talon lightly on his shoulder. "C'mon, you're probably hurt. Lie down a while."
Doug and his team glance over, and the RP ends for now...**
Ravyn Maza
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 09:28:34 PM
IP: 207.204.224.47

Robby I thought Tigertron and Airrazor were kidnapped by a UFO. I agree the death of Optimus Prime was good. His rebirth was almost as good. The part where Daniel insisted he saw something and only Rodimus Prime was willing to believe him enough to check it out was well played. It's nice sometimes when adults are willing to suspend belief and check something out without an immediate putting the kid down for the idea.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 09:10:50 PM
IP: proxy-361.public.rwc.webtv.net

**RP!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal everyone frozen in time, watching Coyote holding Preston at gunpoint, at the same time being held at gunpoint himself by Jimmie the seal boy, now Borgified. Coyote narrows his eyes at the freak, then pulls the gun away from Preston's face.**

Okay, then. I'll back off. **raises his hands, dropping the shotgun.**

<"That's more like it. Now ..."> **Jimmie is interrupted by Doug cold-cocking him with the butt of his gun.** <"You all right, Coyote?">

I'm fine. **looks up** I really liked him ... is there any way to reverse this?

<"Dunno ... HOLD IT!">

**Preston dissolves into nothingness again, escaping via his pal Guod.**

NOOOOOO!!!! **screams into the open air**

**PAUSE RP!!**

RL interfering, i.e. the attack on Iraq: **ALL DEMOCRATS LIBERALS AND CLINTON SUPPORTERS TURN AWAY FOR ABOUT A MINUTE!!** You should hear the blue-colored language coming from my mother and grandmother, both conservative Republicans, reacting to this whole situation. And now I've heard that impeachment debate's been postponed because of the attack. Well, looks like Slick Willie managed to slither his way out of another close shave with becoming Joe Sixpack ... (please note; I am a moderate Republican with some ideas and beliefs that could be considered liberal, but I do believe in what is legal and what isn't. Believe me, Hussein's been asking for this, but the timing on this move is only making us more of a joke in the rest of the world ... Clinton's bombing somebody else to distract from his own problems.) **YOU CAN TURN BACK NOW!!**

$Doug: If I haven't completely pissed you off with the above rant, I am completely okay with the pause, I will observe it.$

SJ: I'd imagine, then, that you liked the scene in Spike's fic cycle when someone unearths a small piece of red fuzz that's the last remains of a Tickle Me Elmo (after the hatchlings freaked and annihilated it). ;)

Wilek: Whew! **wipes sweat off of his face** Thanks for your patience.

Cyrway: I ........... think I'll pass on Tazz ... my grandmother has an *extreme* dislike of poms (the only dog that ever bit her was one) and I already have two dogs that would probably trample poor Tazz into the carpet.
And as far as what I'm sending you ... here's a little hint: you've been begging for it ever since you drew Liberty ...

Deuce: Way to go, fellow bando!

Todd: Aw man, I hate when that happens ... good luck getting back up.

Green Baron: They would scare me too. Fortunately enough, I have yet to meet one ... **insert sound of knocking on hickory**

Robby: If I recall, Marvel has two terms for death ... they have "dead" which leaves the possiblity for the character to return; then there's "Captain Mar-Vell dead," which means they're gone ... permanently. Actually, it should have been called "Uncle Ben dead," since in the upcoming Earth X mini, Captain Mar-Vell does come back.

Voices of characters: I have this information on my site already (in the character descriptions) ... but just in case you've forgotten, I'll list them again:

Rose/Rosanna: Alison Court
Samson: Kevin Sorbo
Slash: Mute, has no voice
Alexander Xanatos (my version): Tate Donovan
Graeme (my version): Garrett Wang
Ariana (my version): Irene Ng
Steve Bluestone": Robert Duncan McNeill
Pontiac: Frances McDormand
Cadillac: Either of the Olsen twins (Mary Kate or Ashley)
Liberty: Renee O'Connor
Lina: Kristy McNichol
Rain: Stephen Collins
Mustang: Michael T. Weiss
Dodge: Lance Henriksen
Sata (my version): Lucy Liu (sp???)
Thorn: Alison Court

**RESUME RP!!**

**Coyote kneels on the ground, huffing and puffing through gritted teeth.**

<"Coyote, you okay?">

**Coyote closes his eyes, nodding "yes."**

<"Need a minute?">

**Coyote nods again, cocking his shotgun. The screen winks off.**

Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 08:36:21 PM
IP: modem104.i-is.com

**RP!!**

Doug and his team are still battling the Borg Furbies, now joined by South Park Borgs The Mayor, Wendy, Terence, Phillip, and Kyle's Mom. They came through Grant's portal, which is still open. Gubio uses his Mech's missile barrages to destroy the Mayor and Wendy, Jammer rolls over several more Furbies and Terence, Boris destroys Phillip with his bazooka. Doug has just used his plasma shotgun to blow Wendy to bits before she can throw up on him. Ducking behind a building to reload again, he turns to face the CR.

**RP PAUSE**

$Coyote: I'll let your team handle the Borg circus freaks and Preston. We'll take care of the remaining Furbies and Grant. Good luck.$

$Green Baron: Your request is fulfilled.$

$Wilek and SJ: If you're planning to take the RP in that big a direction (attacking Area 51), you might want to wait till after the upcoming Xmas break.$

Clones and the Afterlife: I didn't really think about it the way you guys put it, Jewel and Aris. I guess maybe they do have souls. At least, all of us who support cloning (not me) should hope they do. And the clones themselves. Kitainia and I are altering our beliefs now, sorry we offended people with earlier opinions.

Original Sin: I don't hold to that belief myself. I think each person makes their own choices in life and based on the good or bad intentions, choices, and results, they end up in an afterlife that they deserve. I also believe that we are the only ones responsible for our fates and the sins of our ancestors are in no way visited on us in the afterlife. Unless of course, we choose to follow in our predecessors' evil footsteps. Then we get in trouble. But that's a different belief from the idea of Original Sin.

Furbies: I really don't like them myself. Or Beanie Babies, or Tickle Me Elmos, or any other of the really stupid high-priced rare toys out there. This is only my opinion.

Wilek: Thanks. Here's one for Anoth:
Stats: Energy 7, Fighting 3, Strength 3, Intellect 8
Specials (*=OPD): Force Field (avoid one attack); Healing (remove one permanent record hit on teammate or self); Magic Skills* (Level 8 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack); High-Place Connections (Level 7 Intellect attack); Telekinetics* (Level 9 Strength or Fighting attack); Music Skills (Level 8 Intellect attack).

Metal Gear Solid: Oh yeah, that is a great game! I like the commando tactics, the weapons, the bosses, the good guys, and the women...yow wow!! I do think the red-headed commando chick should have a better name than Meryl, though.

Jackal: You win the award for most seriously disturbed person here. Your link really made me want to find Manson and introduce him to my plasma shotgun. (And I don't mean that in a phallic symbol way, I mean I want to kill the guy.) But I have nothing against you, don't worry, you're still my friend. It's Manson who needs to spend time in Bellevue. :) That's only my opinion, of course.

DumlaoX: Thanks for the update on the Mid-East situation.

Bombing Iraq: My summary comment on this is "It's about time!" Kick Saddam's ass, Clinton!! And just because one wouldn't go to fight himself doesn't mean one can't be brave and start a war. Some of us give orders, others carry them out. If this gets into a full-scale conflict and I'm drafted, I'll be glad to do the latter of course. :)

Impeachment: I don't like the GOP for doing it either. Of course, I haven't liked them since their witchhunt began. Jewel's already stated the reasons behind my opinion, and why I dislike the GOP even more now.

Entity: Happy Birthday!

Robby: I miss Traveler too.

**FANFIC SPOILERS AND PLUGS**

Oh well, at least the Dragon Virus has been cured in my fanfic universe thanks to the latest story. You'll have to read it to find out how.

Mandi: Great! I'll be waiting for your feedback and that of everyone else who reads it, too. :)

Todd: Sorry to hear your computer crashed, especially when the story you wanted to read so much is now up on the Web. Good luck getting it back up soon. Thanks again for all your help with the bits from Arthurian legend.

Robby: Thanks for your feedback, glad you liked the story. I hated Kid in King Arthur's Court, too. When you talk about it later, please don't forget the spoiler warnings.

Killing Characters: I agree that it should not be done as a gimmick, it should be done as part of the plot. A huge cast is also no reason to kill characters, IMO. If the characters have been mostly background bystanders with no real development, that's one thing. It's also okay to massacre lots of generic bad guy goons like we do in the RP. But if it's someone like Terrasaur of Beastwars or Jadzia of DSN, someone who has been majorly developed and important to the plot, then there is no excuse to just kill them off and that's it. I think every character who's been developed and you and the fans both like deserves to go out with a bang if they're gonna die in your fanfic world. My upcoming story "Captives" will do that nicely for one character, you'll see who. I agree that killing characters is also the author's right, and it's more fun to torture them. You also should of course do an episode that really focuses on the character before you kill them, like "Requiem" or what Beastwars did for Dinobot. At least, that's my opinion. That way, you can really focus on the character one last time. As an author, I think that's a good thing.

**PAUSE FANFIC SPOILERS AND PLUGS**

Survey Question: For all the authors here, if you've thought about it, who would portray and/or do the voices for your original characters if your fanfics were televised? Just curious to find out. My answers are below.

**MORE FANFIC SPOILERS**

Agony- Christopher Walken.
Laura- Neve Campbell.
Sheppard- Anthony Edwards.
Weston- Jeff Bennet.
Tomlinson- Tommy Lee Jones.
Seth- Bruce Campbell.
Doc- James Earl Jones.
Johnny- Johnny Depp.
Kara- Neve Campbell (again).
Rachel Xanatos/Changeling- Sarah Michelle Gellar.
Nick Mackovic- The guy who voiced Gordon in Invasion America, I can't remmeber who that was. Alec Baldwin could play him on screen.
Silvan- Leonard Nimoy.
Joseph Duval- Patrick Stewart.
Del Dawson- Will Smith.
Nikaita- Michelle Pfieffer to act, if it was just the voice I'd say her or the lady who did Princess Katherine (I've also forgotten her name).
Jadriel (upcoming new villain)- Kevin Spacey.
Muscles Malone- Spacey could do him, too. Or the guy who did Shan Yu in the movie Mulan.
The Rose (yes, I know he's originally a Marvel character, but my version's a little different from theirs)- Probably the guy who voiced Richard Fisk in Fox's Spiderman, since it is the same guy.

**SPOILERS AND FANFIC STUFF END**

Respond to the survey if you like, or not. Thanks in advance to all who do.

$To all involved in the RP: Kitainia and I wanted to make the last RP event before the break a huge cliffhanger of sorts. One that won't be resolved until the action resumes on the 28th. Is that okay with everyone here, especially those in our party? If not, please say so in the CR. Then we can get together by e-mail and work out a way to effectively put the action on hold for the time most of us will be away. Thanks. $

That's all for now. Later!

**MORE RP ACTION**

Doug throws an atomic grenade into Grant's portal, hopefully destroying whatever enemies may be about to come through on the other side. Grant, worried the good guys might do such a thing again, leaps through the portal and closes it behind him. (The guy's a coward at heart.) "Good," Doug says. "Now just Preston and a few more Furbies are left of this bunch." "Um, Doug..." comes Coyote's voice. Doug turns and gasps. "Oh, no!" To be continued.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 08:00:49 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty89.as.wcom.net

Wilek: Drop me an email. Gotta talk about the RP.

War! Damn, didn't think Clinton had it in him (just goes to show you, if ever your ass is in the fire, just bomb somebody!). Well, rest assured, now we can fulfill our true purpose as Americans: blowing stuff up.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 07:24:08 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Picard vs. Kirk - I'm not taking sides on this one. In their ships, though, the Enterprise-E would take care of the 1701-A in about thirty seconds.

TODD> My heart bleeds for you, man. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Actually, I would, but not on you. Good luck in getting all your stuff back.

CLINTON vs. IRAQ> There goes Bubba, waggin' that damn dog again. :-) Actually, I think this one was deserved. But isn't Hussien a lounge singer? (hehehehe... X-Files joke...).

JEWEL re: PLAYING GOD> I agree quite a bit. And creating a character with words is nowhere near as complicated as creating a human being with a thought, like God does. Amazing, if you think about it (and if you believe in the Big Guy).

ROBBY> So you're one of those nurture over nature persons, hmm? Interesting.... I agree with you in that people's character is directly formed by their upbringing, although genetics may play a part in extreme behavioural tendencies (like psychosis or homicidal tendencies). But upbringing is the key factor. $(re: DEATH TO PIKACHU) Good idea, but I don't have the APG coordinates for the Pokemon factory. Hehe.$

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 07:13:19 PM
IP: dialin006.connect.ab.ca

Well, Clinton just finished his address about bombing Iraq... Gee...

Hey, while we're talking about destroying Furbies, what about Picachu?!? That thing annoys me! The GAME Pokemon is kinda fun, but the Picachu thing is so freakin' annoying!

Entity- Happy B-day! In a fight between Thailog and Phaeton... Well, that depends... Is it the whole Phaeton, or is it after he gets turned into a pile of mush? Man I miss EXO-Squad... Don't remember much about it now tho, its been too long...

Doug- Good story. It certainley WAAAAY better than say... "A Kid In King Arthur's Court"... Ugg... I may talk about it a bit when everyone else has had a chance to read it...

Matt- Metal Gear Solid is only a couple hours long? Crud... I've only played it at a friends house, but it was kickin' when I did...

Deuce- I was joking about STUDYING for the art final, though I DID actually have one. "Draw a design using multi-media". I drew a werewolf howling at the moon, inked it, and then used some colored pencil... Got a 105. Easy class. I love it.

Todd- Well, you may not even see this message, but tough break... I sympathise wholeheartedly.

Green Baron- Tedd Baxter instead of Lyndon Johnson? Oh my, that's FUNNY...

***SPOILERS FOR MY FIRST FIC AND BEASTWARS. RELATED TO THE KILL A CHARACTER DISCUSSION.***

Killing characters- Well,those who have read my first fic already know my stance on this. But then, that WAS only the first story, and there weren't any bodies...

Honestly, I'd have to say, as long as you don't over do it, and you have a reason for it, killing characters is fine. Look at Beastwars for instance. At the start of season two, they killed off Scorpinok, Terrasaur, Tigertron, and Airrazor. All of these deaths were quick and pointless. (Scorpinok and Terrasaur fell into a molten vat after their base shook, and no one even thinks about it afterwords. Geez, you didn't even hear them yell,"Nooo!" or "Auuugh!" they just fell in with a plop and were gone.) I was annoyed because they got rid of several characters I liked. I was dissapointed, they were gone, for no reason. It soon became apparent the reason was because the cast was expanding, and the numbers had to be cut down, but still... It was dumb to just KILL characters like that. I excused it, and thought nothing more of it. It was a pointless waste.

And then they killed Dinobot. Which I appluad for how well it was done. From the start of the series, he had been the character who didn't fit. And in season two, this was made worse as he betrayed his commrades several times. For episodes they worked on his inner turmoil. And then they spent an entire episode killing him. It was a great 10 minute battle, a noble death, for a good purpose, the characters reacted realistically to it, and geez, I even cried. "Code of Hero" is my favorite Beastwars episode, and I have copies on three different tapes. Dinobot's death was one of the best I have ever seen, it worked very well, and that was a case where killing a character, even one of my favorites, was a good thing.

Then there's Marvel's approach to death... It doesn't bring forth any emotion from me anymore, because I know the character will be back inside of two years. Bad way to handle death...

Basically, killing characters can be a very good thing and produce a very powerful story, but if you do it just as a gimmick, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

**END SPOILERS FOR MY FIC AND BEASTWARS...***

The soul debate- My thought on souls is simply this... Everyone is born, (Or cloned, or brought forth, or whatnot) with a fresh soul. And then, that soul evolves depending on parenting, ot lack thereof. That's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned.

Hmm, gotta go and do some more "studying". Algebra 2 final tomarrow... Gee, real tough stuff here...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 06:57:33 PM
IP: spider-to054.proxy.aol.com

OK, double post--

Mandi: <g> Hi. Hope that didn't hurt too much. ;) I'm glad you like my stories and yes folks, I am blushing. I do that a lot...
And nope, didn't ditch the stupid dentist. I ended up getting my braces from this idiot. I still remember one day when this woman was watching me all but ripping holes in the chair from pain and asking, "What on earth is he doing to that poor girl?!!?"
And Mom wonders why I hate dentists...
Jewel Faulkner - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 06:25:48 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Way too much blue, so let's go for yellow!

Todd: Dude, I feel your pain. Good luck.

JEB: Yo! Whazzup?

Entity: <breaks out into "Hapy Birthday"> Oh, wait...you can get sued for that. Um...happy b-day!

The North: The north is weird. Very, very weird. But luckily, I'll be back in Atlanta this Friday! Woo-hoo!

Death Match: "Magic iron cigar"? Euuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. ;)

The porno paper: One of those "Good in theory" (hey! No one is looking at the books on porn! I won't have to compete for books at the end of the semester!), "Bad in practice" deals... I'm *still* getting flak from my friends on it...

Jackal: A deformed fetus? Euuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh... ;)

Clone souls: I think clones *do* have souls--after all, they are genetically identical to another person, who does have one. To say they don't is similar to saying that someone's identical twin doesn't have a soul. And the clone may start out the same, but quickly turns into a different, sentient, individual being.
A different question, though: would clones suffer from Orginal Sin? (as I understand it, the idea that we are born sinners because our parents convcieved us through sexual intercourse).

Killing characters: As writers, we play God. We create beings out of nothing, shape their lives. It's a power rush...but if we play God, we have to take the good with the bad; what we create, we have to destroy. That doesn't make it easier, though--I'm killing a character in an upcoming story, and I couldn't write the death scene. Instead, I wrote "Kyrie eleison. CHriste eleison. Kyrie eleison. [Lord, have mercy. Christ, have mercy. Lord, have mercy.]" for the section where the character is killed.
<g> And no, I'm not a religious nut, despite the evidence in this posting to the contrary. I'm a cheerful agnostic.

Strike on Iraq: I am even more disgusted with the Republicans in Congress now than I was before, and I didn't think that was possible. It doesn;t matter if Clinton did or did not order this to take the pressure of of him. This is a time when the government must present a united front to the world. The Republicans are on a which hunt. They have done more illegal, danger-precedent setting things than they could ever accuse Clinton of trying. They released the Grand Jury tapes, which was illegal. They realesed the Tripp tapes, which were obtained illegally to begin with. They forced the Secret Service to testify. I'm far more frightened by all the laws that they are breaking than I am over Clinton's piccadello.

Jewel Faulkner - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 06:20:40 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Indeed, we bombed Iraq for failing to comply to U.N. inspection forces. We lead an international team in the strike. In fact, by the time of this post, Pres. Clinton would be addressing the nation.

PRINCE OF EGYPT-- Here's something interesting. Hit my name and go to the Bruin Cam link to check out a pic of Royce Hall in the UCLA campus (where I study. Woohah!) This evening they will do the gala premiere of "The Prince Of Egypt" here... And I'll be on campus for a study session near the premiere place :)

I shouldn't really be here till my finals are over (one more to go), but I thought you might get a kick out of that.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 06:08:58 PM
IP: host-a4432e3f.library.ucla.edu

Killing Characters> Well, I've actually toyed with killing off one of my original characters, but I can't figure out a way to do it without seriously harming my plotlines. Besides, it's only due to a certain dissatisfaction I've had with said character's lack of personality. And I did kinda submit him to WCC, so he's gonna have to be around for a while. *sigh*

Todd> My condolences on the hard drive crash. We'll miss you while you deal with the problem (but at least you'll have a respite from all of us--well, mostly me--nagging you about what's going to happen next in TGS)!

Cyrway> Hm. Did you get my comments I sent to amy@gcolor.com? If not, I'll take the plunge and see if I can't get to you using my *shudder* school e-mail account.

**TGS SPECULATIONS TO FOLLOW--NOT REALLY SPECIFIC SPOILERS!**

You know, I've still been turning around the Illuminati's drive to capture the gargoyles in my head, and certain bits and pieces don't make sense. For instance, the Illuminati aren't stupid. They should know gargoyles are sentient and self-aware by now. And it doesn't take years and years of psychological research to tell them that keeping the entire species in captivity would jeopardize their psychological well-being, which on a whole is just as important as their physical well-being. (It's also impractical, but I'll get to that later.) Knowing this, I can't believe that the Illuminati would be trying to capture gargoyles for a benign purpose, no matter how misguided.

Not to mention, as I said before, the impracticality of the whole idea. Since they say the human race can't accept gargoyles, they believe that the only way to preserve the species is in captivity. Okay, but for how long? Keeping them locked up won't increase people's willingness to accept them if they don't know they exist, so that wouldn't do a thing to fix the problem of persecution. But if they actually aim to preserve the species and allow gargoyles to thrive, do they actually think they could pull it off with the increasing amounts of resources needed to do so and keep them safe from the public eye?

No, of course not. The Illuminati may be arrogant, but they have never come off as that short-sighted. There's got to be an ulterior motive, not just to preserve the species, behind their actions. I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually aiming to breed gargoyles for their own purposes.

Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...and Kathy, you don't have to correct me. I'm patient. I just had to air that out.

**END SPECULATIONS**

Jewel> **does a double take and claps her hands over her mouth to stave off the fanfic admiration gushing** Ow, I shouldn't have done that so hard. Let's just say I'm a really, really big fan of your fics, and leave it at that so I don't start embarrassing anyone. :) As for the wisdom teeth--yeeouch! He read the $%*)^# X-ray wrong? Hope you ditched him after that, at least for anything pertaining to oral surgery.

Entity> Happy Birthday!

Doug> I'm currently reading "Brooklyn at Camelot" now (well, I just finished waiting for the page to load.

Eep. Dinner's ready. This is going to be interesting. :) Bye now!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 06:04:57 PM
IP: p1-8.netgsi.com

We bombed Iraq? Woa...

Q-Squared> Ah, now I remember, thanx for clearing that up Jeb. Its been so long since I read that one. Actually, now that I think about it, "Q-Squared", like "Federation", IMO, could make a good movie. Sheesh, methinks Rick Bermin and company should consider adapting these books to the big screen instead of making up their own half-witted scripts. Sure it'll cost some extra to get the rights and everything, but the story, oh the story! ;) Hey, fans have been getting restless about Q being not being in a movie yet...

Souls> This discussion is starting to remind me of early elementary school, when they told us that animals don't have souls and won't go to heaven (I went to a Catholic school). What a thing to tell a little kid! I, for one, had two pet dogs at the time.

Celebrity Death Match> Here are a few more...

Thailog VS. Phaeton
Xanatos in Exo-Frame VS. J.T. Marsh in Exo-Frame
Neo Lord VS. Jem'hadar

I don't know how many will know all these characters, but I figured I'd give it a try.

Lastly, dare I present it? ...Picard VS. Kirk
Entity
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 05:58:40 PM
IP: ely-oh3-11.ix.netcom.com

Sorry about the 2X...

Todd> Sorry to hear about your hard drive crash... hope you didn't lose TOO much. <:)
JEB
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 05:26:09 PM
IP: 212-3-218.ipt.aol.com

It's your friendly neighborhood Gargoyles fanatic back again...

Todd> Heh, loved the X-Files Xmas. "It gorged itself, Scully. It fed without remorse."

X-Files> Well, I realize I may get jumped on for this... but I actually like the new season so far. It's nice to see some funny eps, instead of the uber-dark Milennium-esque season the opener seemed to foretell... I'm sure we'll get back to classic conspiracy stuff after the next few reruns.

Wilek> Okey-dokey, thanks for the info.

The Registry> That reminds me... submissions to the Gargoyles Fan Registry have fallen WAY off this month... maybe people are just busy, but it's worriesome. <:)

Q-Squared and Dark Mirror> The only Star Trek books I ever bothered buying, and they were worth it.

Cyrway> No problem. 'Twas an honor. :)

South Park> Don't like it, myself. But I can understand others liking it.

Mandi> Glad the tooth-pulling went well. :)

Ms. Faulkner> Glad to see you joining us! :)

Souls> I always figured all life forms have souls, regardless of their origin.

Entity> Happy birthday! :) And yes, Q-Squared has the three different alternate timelines... *MINOR SPOILERS* the 'main` universe, the 'Jack Crusher lives' universe, and the 'Yesterday's Enterprise' universe. *END MINOR SPOILERS* Maybe Federation does, too, but I've never read that one.

Bombing Iraq> I just have to say- I never expected it to actually happen, at least not so quickly.

*writes down a note- "I WILL update this weekend, I WILL send that mail to all the authors, I WILL make new OP stats, I WILL edit Doug and Kitania's..." * *mumbles as he walks out the door*
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 05:19:28 PM
IP: 212-3-218.ipt.aol.com

Okay, why do people think that clones don't have souls?!? They are intelligent sentient people, and you say they don't have souls because their DNA wasn't produced through sex? That's like saying test-tube babies are soulless. I find it disturbing that so many people here think clones wouldn't have souls just because of the means the DNA was extracted.

Frankly (in real life) I don't know whether there's such a thing as a 'soul' but if we have them, then clones of us will also have them. Clones are not machines! They are people!

As for the fey soul discussion I have some things to add but not the time to do so. Later.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 05:16:02 PM
IP: athe530-c091.otenet.gr

**Green Baron returns and takes out a talisman that turns his semester's books into cash.**

I'm Done! I'm Done! My exams are over. I have almost a month of nothing to do. I guess I should look for a job. Woohoo!

Soul debate> Do fey have souls? I believe it's possible since they are sentient, and Greg left all creation stuff to your personal beliefs ;) As for clones, I personally doubt it, but that's up to God, not me. In my initial and then recalled fic, I had Demona return Thailog from Hell, but that part is being erased. I actually did something like that earlier, where a cult tried to ressurect Lyndon Johnson, but instead resurrected the chief villain along with Caligula and Ted Baxter. That was a really wierd stage in my life, and the tape of it is gone. And yes the villain did recruit Ted Baxter from Mary Tyler Moore show. In one episode they used time travel to take over F-Troop, but failed. Boy, have I drifted in that post :)

Entity> Happy seventeeth. Don't worry, i don't drive yet either.

South Park> That sounds like a great game to play. Actually when I was considering the priesthood, my roomate Kyle made a joke about what would happen if the parishoners knew I was a South Park fan. On EWTN, they have a rosary program at 8:30 CST, so I can go from praying the rosary to watching South Park. Talk about a balance in your life :)

Mandi> I'm glad your surgery went okay. I hope you do well and have a happy holiday season. I will. I'm not traveling and I don't have to ever talk to my father again.

Jewel> Welcome to our CR. I imagine it is unusual up North. Granted, I've spent most of my life in New Orleans, which is also fairly unusual. BTW, your research paper definitely sounds unusual. I guess it can help you become a professor or professional wriiter.

Garg Religions> Their spirituality is more a philosophy than a religion, but soem fanfic gargs do follow human faiths. Spike's Avery is a Southern Baptist, I believe (am I right, Spike?) and Dylan's Newfie gargs are loosely Catholic. As for Thailog, I doubt he'd follow a faith. Most have tenets about helping the less fortunate and being good. Not things for Thailog's interests :) On the other hand, he might give one lip service for his own advancement.

Christmas posting> I'll be here for Christmas. You can count on that :) so I'll be posting.

Sevarius Jr> Didn't your dad create furbies in some twisetd experiment?

$Doug and Kitainia> If you're killing SP characters, I hope you also the Mayor and Kyle's mom. They are really irritating :)$

Starsinger> I agree with you. I imagine cats would have fun with a furby doused in catnip :)

Selanit> Welcome.

Coyote> Actually you could have a teacher whois worse than you described. Imagine one who is so liberal, they think Clinton is a right-winger. Those people scare me.

Demona> Glad to see you here. Southerners are always welcome, IMO.

Death match time.

Darth Vader vs King Arthur> Duh!!!

MacLeod vs MacBeth> In the end there can be only one...wait I decapitated you. Chop!!!

Bill Clinton vs Oberon> Bill would use his magical iron cigar against Oberon and then the Wierd Sisters.

Sadaam Hussein vs Thailog> Thailog would eat soem beans and cabbage. Then he's use his own gas bombs on Sadaam.

Homer Simpson vs. Vinnie> Homer Simpson

Loki vs. Puck> It depends on what Loki would do to Alex.

I have some new ones.

James Carville vs Wolf
Halcyon Renard vs Larry Flynt
Broadway vs Ted Kennedy
Fang vs Jim Carrey
Hudson vs Strom Thurmond


Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 05:02:46 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102

Am I seeing this one tv? or am I trippin? are we at war? Why the hell mr. clinton decide to strike if he didn't go to war himself!
Jackal
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 04:54:03 PM
IP: spider-wc042.proxy.aol.com

KILLING CHARACTERS:

I have long respected series that have the guts to kill off characters--and I don't mean characters who appear at the beginning of an episode, we meet them, and then they are dead by the end. I mean characters who have been an important part of the series. People die. It's a fact. Death causes repercussions that change people. Not to mention the great emotional impact (I remember getting misty eyed when they killed Optimus Prime...) Death adds to realism, opens up new possibilities for the rest of teh characters going on.

Killing characters is also incredibly hard, and it's not just the fact that you can only write those favourite characters in past flashbacks from then on. There's the, "This character would be PERFECT in this new Idea I have and...oh...crap...she's dead." Then there's the fan backlash (which is the reason so many characters get revived) I'm guilty of this myself...around issue 110-117 of GI JOE, the Joes got involved in a Gulf War-type conflict...and...this being war...some of them died. My reaction? "The drama! The realism! The emotion! THOSE BASTARDS< THEY KILLED BREAKER!!! WHY BREAKER?? WHY NOT SOME OF THOSE STUPID JERKS??" I want Breaker back, dammit!

Then I realized that the quality of my response was so enhanced by having killed a character I personally liked.
He'd been with the team since Issue #1...

Of course, it lost them some readers, which is a risk you run...but I thought it was worth it, if only to show that in wars, people really do die (and not just bad guys and one-shot heros.)

I've avoided this problem in fanfic so far in that my fics only encompass about five years. This will change in the future...

...the risk with future fics is not locking yourself in (not being able to use character in future plot because you killed him by that point.) And, of course, not every character can die peacefully of old age. Death, by its very permanence is bound to offend some....but it also really affects you (Think back to the first time you saw FUTURE TENSE...especially if you didn't know about anything that happened AFTER that!)

CYRWAY: I'll kill Wagner any way I like... ]:-}
Stormy
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 04:23:18 PM
IP: pc17.huron.uwo.ca

Sevarius Jr> In regards to Star Trek novels, have you ever read "Federation"? IMO, they could've scrapped all three Next Generation films so far and just done this one instead, and it would've been worth it.

Matt> I remember "Q-Squared", that was a great book, but I don't recall anything about the story focusing on three separate timelines. That sounds more like "Federation", actually, could you have gotten them confused?

Taleweaver> The fay are immortal, yes, but that only means they have eternal lifespans. They don't die naturally, but there are plenty of other ways to go. Take an iron bell, for example... "You could have obliterated me, but yet did not." A soul would be a nice contingency in their case. ;)

BTW, today's my birthday. (I'm 17 but I still haven't gotten my driver's license yet!)
Entity
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 03:55:26 PM
IP: ely-oh3-12.ix.netcom.com

Christine> The best way in killing characters you love is to think how you would like them to go...then axe that idea. I mean, I would to have Caligo and Luc live forever (Hell, Cal has...) but...

And, in spite of popular ideas, Caligo is actually not immortal...he is VERY long lived...

Okay, back to the subject...

Death is not an easy matter to consider for a character, but then it wouldn't be fun to write everyone immortal. When I wrote the CLone Wars, I knew people had to die...and, because I wanted shock value, I actually killed my own "mary jane"'s mate, Magnum, during a blitz attack by the Resistance, which also killed Goliath and where Eddie looses her eye...which brought Eddie more bitter and cynical, but also gives her a new purpose...you really have to think of the consequences of killing a character in your multiverse as well...unlike South Park, where Kenny dies, and they go through the "You bastard!" speel, and they forget all about it until the next episode, there's gonna be tramatic experience to others around them. Say in my universe, MacBeth and Demona kill each other...okay, MacBeth's daughter Arin goes into a fit of depression, so does Angela, they begin to have a bitter streak towards each other, and thus my whole multiverse gets thrown out of context and the Resistance might not win the Clone Wars because now Arin has become the next Hunter, hunting Angela, Monika, Savannah, and Cashe (Demona's children)...pitting not only the Outklaws but Caligo against her...you get the idea...

Well, I rambled along enough...back to work...

Valete!

*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 02:36:00 PM
IP: gcolor.com

Killing Characters > I hate doing this. Which is why my universe is so crowded. When I do, I often rush it and do it badly (poor Vito, I still regret how it went with poor Vito). Same for my games. Even if they downright deserve it and the dice support it, I look for ways to give them an out. More near-death experiences in my games than you can shake a stick at. But sooner or later, certain characters just have to go. Like Jericho. That's going to be tough. I really like the twisted little s.o.b.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:45:21 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

***The following posts contains a sample of the mind of Jackal, Turn away now!!!***

<<Another person from Georgia!!!!!>>
Hehehee Come home! We miss you!!!
<<I can't believe I *could* even think up stuff like *that*.>>
Though I never really actually thought that. I have wondered why I think of the things I do. For instance one thing that totally freaks me out, and i'm scaring myself now..., is dead deformed fetus's talking to me. Got that from a bad trip one time, and it never left my mind.
<<If you want to send me the dream, do. If not, don't>>
I'll think I'll handle it in fanfic this time. As crazy as that sounds.....
<<Nothing compared to what you're probably capable of.>>
It's true I try to push the limit for myself, I have 20 stories planned each one becoming more extreme, but I reached a point on the third part of my current fic, where enuf was enuf. Honestly, I don't write this stuff for people to read, I write it to get it out of my head.
Anyway, in light of recent events, I thought I would let everyone know a little more about me and my views on life, so I present to you.... "The World Thur the Eyes of a Jackal". Click on my name. I would love to jump into this conversation about the after life but I think I should sit this one out....
"The Disassociative"- Jackal - [Jkal1127@aol.com]
Ga, Usa
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:41:51 AM
IP: spider-wg073.proxy.aol.com

TODD> I SAW YOUR POST. Hope you get your machine fixed soon.
I'll tell Patrick what's up.
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:37:22 AM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

Souls> I have to jump in on this one. If you ever want to see something that lasts forever, you she see a few dragons debate the nature of the soul. One thing you must be careful of is giving a soul characteristics that it doesn't have. I don't think the soul is imagination. And are we talking about the soul being innate goodness in a person? That's certainly thinking in the west, but in other parts of the world, the soul is neither good nor evil, nor sentient.
As far as the fay, I'd say that the answer is paradoxically yes and no. The one common thread everyone has about the soul is that it's eternal. That it goes on after we die. In that respect, the fay have no soul, because they're immortal. They don't die, so there is nothing to go on after death. But it's also yes, because by that same argument they are soulful. Just like a fay always keeping you guessing.
As for souls of silicates and clones? Being agnostic (with attitude) I don't think a soul is given. there's too many sick and twisted people out there for me to believe that. But I do believe souls are created within us. That's one of the things that make this species so loveable. They destroy, but they also create. I think in regards to clones and robots, our creations, we can create souls for them, but the question then becomes how and do we want to.
Gargoyle religion> In my travels I learned there is a difference between religion and spirituality. I think the gargoyles are spiritual without the dogma and doctrines of a religion. As for an afterlife? One of the markers of sentience is self-awareness. That awareness encompasses death. Knowing the difference between someone you once saw as alive and now as passed on. What you think happens after death is the beginning of so many things from religion to metaphysics, to civilization to this discussion.
Just some thoughts from a dragon whose more cleaver than wise.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:02:38 AM
IP: 32.albuquerque-03-04rs.nm.dial-access.att.net

Sorry for the double post, but one or two things I forgot to say in my last post.

I'm currently submitting this from the Internet computer at the library. That's my only Internet access at present, alas.

As for whether or not the fay have souls, as I said, my comments on the matter and on their origins were based on traditional legends, and I doubt that most of them are indeed the case in the Gargoyles or TGS Universe. But I'll have more on this topic when I have proper Internet access again.
Todd Jensen
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:22:52 AM
IP: sys.slpl.lib.mo.us

I've some bad news for the TGS staff, and the particular nature of this bad news require that I post it here, rather than e-mailing them. The hard drive on my computer has crashed, and it'll be a while before I'll be able to get it replaced. That means that I'm cut off from receiving or sending e-mail for a while. I'm hoping to have the situation rectified by Thursday, but I can't promise anything. If anybody on the TGS staff is reading this, please pass the information on to the others.

I particularly apologize to Patrick Toman and Kathy Pogge for the trouble, since I was working with them on a TGS story when it happened, and will be unable to help them out with it for a while.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:13:22 AM
IP: sys.slpl.lib.mo.us

Well, I think our band concert last night was a success. We blew EVERYBODY away, and I played quite a bit better than usual. Thanks to all the people who wished me luck!

SOUTH PARK> One work: blegh.

AFTERLIFE> I always assumed that all of the three races had souls (all of them being God's creations), and therefore experienced a similar afterlife. I would think the biggest difference would be their perception of heaven/hell. As for "sentient" robots, I don't think any of the robots in the Gargoyles universe had souls. I've seen a few in fanfic (Athenaverse "The Scission", "I'm Sorry"), but none in the series. I won't touch the topic of clones' souls. (Or their lack of them).

FINALS> Coming next year... second/third week of January. Help!

ROBBY> Study for an Art final? Man, you must go to a weird school. Although I guess I had my Band final last night: the concert was marked as such. (Me? Nervous?)

SELANIT> A hierachacal(sp?) format would be easier, but the room would lose much of it's appeal. This all-one-page format allows for more of a personal touch, more of a chat room feel (but it's not a chat room!).

$ DOUG> The CR exists, more than on the 'net, in our heads. Did you know there was an automatic portal generator here? Neither did I. According to an obscure branch of quantum physics I just invented (hehe), the room has infinite dimensions, infinite windows/doors, and we can add anything we want merely by mentioning (i.e., a pool, a fridge, an APG, a Furby incinerator, etc.). $

MATT DYMOND> Have you read "Imzadi II"? Very good, although nullified by "Insurrection".

Well, that's all for now. I've spent 17 minutes typing this message, and I'm almost late for class. Toodles!

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:10:40 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Heh, I just had to comment on the torture bit..."Why Kill 'Em When You Can Torture 'Em?" My retort: I can't torture Brooklyn for the 4 billion+ years of my multiverse...I only kill them off when it seems appropriate...and there is going to be a story coming up about the Shocker raid on the castle, Poor Luc...anywhose, Eventually, characters must die...even favourites...Mr. Champion Eternal/Time Dancer here, for instance...I thought he should die in the Clone Wars. His work there was done...It's the same with most of my characters...I kill them as realistic as possible...it just has to be sometimes...my favourite creations, Luc and Caligo, eventually die...I even kill my own character, Eddie. The only character I think that doesn't die a rather "natural" (this includes getting killed) is Arin. *shrug*

That doesn't mean they don't get their fair share of torture...*wrings hands.*

Coyote> Ut-oh...j/k...I thought maybe you would like to see the whole picture...to show you how tall Liberty would be theoretically, Gecko's 5'11". Oh, and I'm not sure if you know this, "TMBG" is They Might Be Giants...Gecko's singing She's Actual Size, a song about Marilyn Monroe "She's actual size but she seems much bigger to me..." As for the Pom on the back of the card...That's Tazz, my blunder dog...want him? Anyway, I'm glad you like the original!

Hmmm...any other comment? Oh, yeah...Artemis threatened to run me over after the Hemi comment...Hemis and Goats do not mix at all...and Coyote, I think I remember that Hot Rod...I wish I still had the subscription...the only problem was that it was geared more toward men...THEY KEEP OBSTRUCTING THE VIEW OF BEAUTIFUL GTOs WITH SCANTILY CLAD WOMEN!!! I CAN'T STAND IT!!! *giggle*

Okay, back to work...

*PTOOF!*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 09:50:57 AM
IP: gcolor.com

Furbies> ~Shudders~ Horrible little things why anyone want's one is beyond me. You can't switch them off either without taking out the batteries - bet that will make them popular over Xmas with parents! On the upside though, they are just about the right size/shape to dropkick over the nearest wall/cliff. Huh, Furby soccer - sounds good to me.

Robby> MetalGear Solid is an excellent good game, I played the Japanese one a few months back on a friends machine, bit short though, can be played through in a few hours. Me, I'll be trying to divide my time between Zelda 64 and Half-Life this Xmas.

TNG Novels> Peter David's are easily the best. Vendetta (Borg return set before - and way better than - Descent), Q-In Law (Possibly the funniest Trek book EVER, certainly one of the best 'numbered' TNG books) and Q-Squared (Three alternate timelines running together) stick in mind as being particularly good.

South Park game> out imminently on N64, with PC, Playstation and Dreamcast versions to follow.
It was written from the 3d routines of the game Turok 2 and uses the RAM expansion to run in double the resolution - eg the graphics look MUCH clearer.
Over HALF the cart is devoted to hundreds of sound samples, of which only a few words are bleeped - the same ones as the show.
Overall the opinion seems to be that the one-player game is a little too simplistic, but that it's great in multiplayer 'Deathmatch'(up to 4 players).

Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKWednesday, December 16, 1998 06:49:39 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

Alright everyone. Thanks to my post-finals energy flux, I now have a new story up at GFW. This one is "Brooklyn at Camelot." Click my name to go there, read it, and (hopefully) enjoy. Feedback is appreciated, please send it by e-mail. This has been a shameless plug.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 04:14:12 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zom-vty7.as.wcom.net

"I ate him." Heh heh heh ha ha heh... That's just funny... Every time I think I've gotten over it, it just hits me and I have to laugh again!

21-22 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!! JUST THREE WEEKS TO GO! YEAH!

Masked Rider- Actually, this was a japanese movie series before it was a Power Rangers spin off. I've seen one of them, its perfect Mystery Science Theater 3000 fodder.

Hmm... Something has been... Missing from the CR lately. Wonder what it is... Oh yeah, that...

Dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, immpossibly even more dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, and THE DRAGON KING!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 01:17:04 AM
IP: spider-we074.proxy.aol.com

Oops, wrong color and I forgot my pic.
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:06:10 AM
IP: tnt-1-63-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**YET ANOTHER LONG RP!**

[At the Dark Star, Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, SJ, Frankie, Dark Mage Wilek, the Doom Commandoes, the vampire eagles, Kari, and a partridge in a pear tree (j/k) have just had the entire Thailog/Imperial plan revealed to them by the bounty hunter Boba Fett--who is now holding SJ hostage. Something to clear up: General Zale *isn't* an Imperial. He's a rogue member of the U.S. armed forces who was dishonorably discharged for trying to nuke Vietnam or something. He was originally hired, not by the Empire, but by Thailog, for the purpose of killing Dark Mage Wilek. Of course, he's now joined the whole Imperial-conquest-of-the-galaxy thing. Miriam: "How did you get that blaster past security? I thought they confiscated everything." Fett: "Even the Borg can be fooled." SJ: "What do you need me for? I still have to help these guys!" Wilek: "Wait-a-minute. All we have to do is hit Area 51 with the axial superlasers on our Eclipse-class Star Destroyers. On a low enough setting, they'll vaporize Area 51 and the Spaarti cylinders from orbit without harming the rest of the planet." Administrator: "Yes...I'll begin coordinating the attack as soon as possible...but first, Mr. Fett, your reason for forcing SJ to accompany you." To be continued...]

**PAUSE RP!**

Selanit> Have I welcomed you yet? If I haven't, then welcome! :) Oh, you're already insane? Good, you'll fit in very quickly. >:) I was actually sane before I first started posting in the CRs. Sanity is boring. I'm quite mad now, and I rather like it!

Deuce> Interesting coincidence...$I LOVED your "ridiculous" RP. Kind of in the tradition of Shenzi the Caterer...<<the CR, in theory, has an infinite number of windows>> Interesting. How do you figure that?$

Jackal> Hm...your own fanfic gave you a nightmare?! I'm impressed. :) My twistedness mostly extends to thinking up creative ways for Forfexx to kill people. (When he finally shows up in my fics, they will be rated R or hopefully NC-17 for graphic violence.) Nothing compared to what you're probably capable of. (I meant that as a complement...)

Stormy> Speaking of the Sea Duck, I could have sworn I saw one of its RL inspirations in a movie today. I forget the name though. It looked just exactly like the Sea Duck except for the tail.

Doug> $I should have said this in my last post: Great Forfexx card! (I'm very forgetful today...)$

Furbies> I think they're kinda cute, but I agree that when people FIGHT over them, it's time we stepped back and took a good long look at our society.

Coyote> Hint?...oh...sorry if I seemed like I was hurrying you; I was just informing JEB of future developments with the cards. (I'm really quite patient with commissions; take all the time you need.^_^)

Mandi> Oh, I'm glad your dental surgery wasn't the nightmare it could have been. (I wouldn't do that kind of thing for all the gold in Fort Knox.)

Fanfic ideas> Well, much of my stuff is inspired by the CRs. In fact, my entire series is about Station Eight.

For no particular reason, I'm giving you all a link to "Horror Movie Character Survival Tips". Any members of the Sevarius family who are present will want to take special note of numbers 37 and 48.

$SJ> Do you want me to rescue you in the RP or do you have plans?$

Um, I just tried to add my author listing to the GFW fanfic archive. It said everything went well, but I don't have a listing in the author list, even though the AuthAdmin button lists my account correctly. Is this just because I don't have any fics there yet?

**RESUME RP!**

[Meanwhile, in Thailog's secret base, Sevarius is using the "Resurrect Three" card Thailog sent him instructions for. He's figured out that he was supposed to bring back the three dead clones he was told to gather...but why? The card becomes an orb of dark light, which envelops and infuses the clones, then disappears...and the clones wake up suddenly, as if from a nightmare...they're the three Wilek Fieger clones. (Backstory: Several months ago, about 20 unauthorized clones of Wilek were created, among them Wileks Fieger I, II, and III. They were killed in various gruesome ways by Wilek and his allies...but now they're back. Uh oh...) To be continued...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:05:34 AM
IP: tnt-1-63-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

OK, long post because I'm stalling on a monster paper I don't want to deal with (and stalling on the evil thesis. So what it's due Friday...)

Christine: <g> Are you only just *now* realizing that? ;)

Kitainia: "Another famous and very proficient fanfic writer in here"? I think I've gone beyond blushing red and straight into fushia... =)

The X-Files: I love this season's humor, but I've always been against a Mulder-Scully hook-up. The only way it *might* be a good idea would be the last season. And even then...

Killing off characters: Why kill them off when you can torture? heh-Personally, you can always tell which characters I like the most because they're the ones with the worst lives...

Wacky locations/times for getting fanfic: I had the idea for one I'm working on now called "Egli era nato" when I was writing, I am not making this up, a 30 page paper on 18th century French political pornography focusing on clerical sodomy. (You, too, can write papers like this as a History major! True, when you graduate, you will be saying, "So, would you like fries with that?" but hey...)

Disturbing yourself while writing: I've managed to really freak myself out with what I write only twice--the first time when I was writing "Il Sangue" because I had never written anything like that before--after after I got over that little freaked-out hump, I wrote "Turandot," which was far more messed up and in my opinion the only really decent thing I've written. The second was with "Egli era nato." With this one, I've managed to go beyond the freak-out into the mildly horrified that I could even think, much less write something as...well, graphic as it is turning into. (for thoses who have read the revised version of "Turandot"--that's *way* mild in comparison) I've had friends read over sections of it, and one of them asked me if I didn't think it would be a good idea to tone it down, and another couldn't read all of it and had to skim--and I didn't even have them read the really messed up scene. Never, *ever*, write something after having read the Marquis de Sade...

Mandi: I remember when I had my wisdom teeth out--the idiot dentist read my X-ray wrong and discovered, "Oops, there's a bone in the way!" The only painkiller I had was novacaine. I was really doped up on it, thank goodness, but...

Furbies: They would have scared the ^@#% out of me as a small child. These are the most hideously god-awful ugly things I have ever seen. Period. Dot. Raspberry.

Sevarius Jr: <g> Thanks for the welcome--and I did notice things seemed a little more insane and interesting over here. Just the thing for a frazzled, finals-ridden, thesising senior.
You hate Angel on Buffy?!!!? OK, yes, I won't deny that he's a total goody-two-shoes (when he's not a soulless psychotic sociopath, of course), but his character is getting more and more interesting, especially after this ep. I've always liked him, but I think his Irish accent really, really stinks and they should never have him try it again.
Jewel Faulkner - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:00:58 AM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Todd - What is your source for all this information on the Fay? If you know the names of any books on Fay, could you post it? Thanks.

Do Fay have souls in the Gargoyles Universe? - I would say yes. Regardless of the fact that they are made of magic instead of flesh, they are alive, sentient, and have free will. If they can choose between right and wrong, if they know the difference between right and wrong then they have to have souls. If they were soulless then they would be automotions, beings of power, but without an imagination to use it.

For example in all the legends that I read on the Golem, he is just a clay automoton. He is soulless. That was why he needed to be guided, why he needed someone to show him what to do. If he had a soul, he would have been able to make these choices for himself. I think that it is the same with the Fay. If Puck is soulless, then how could he choose to get his revenge on Demona by making her endure a painfull transformation everyday? He would need someone to instruct him to do that, but he wouldn't be able to do it himself.

(Just as a side note - It was (according to the legends I read) the fact that the Golem had no soul, that he had to be shut down. Because he was soulless his corruption was inevitable. He eventually became wild, out of control, and was destroyed. In the Gargoyles Universe, he was only shut down, but he is still soulless and could be corrupted. Remember that he was going to kill Brode until Max stopped him. He might still have to be shut down eventually for the same reasons as the first time, because he might become too hard to control.)

Christi - Love the summer camp idea. Just curious about one thing from your clue - how far away are we from this wedding? I can live with not knowing who, but it would be nice to know when.


I have more to say, but I also have to study for tomorrow's batch of finals. I come back when I can.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:00:20 PM
IP: 195.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Personally, I have a T1 connection, so long download times are a thing of the past. On the other hand, I don't have access to the T1 when I'm outside of my dorm, say, over winter break. I can see the advantages of having the new posts at top.
But I still see room for improvement. The HTML code for pages like this one is fairly simple, which is the main reason for its popularity. A hierarchichal structure would be *way* more difficult to code and maintain, but once it was running properly, long downloads would be a thing of the past, since you'd only have to download the notes you were planning to read. Hrrrm. Tough to do, and probably not a viable option for that reason. But we can dream. Maybe I'll sign up for a class at ZDU and check out their code. ;-)
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:15:47 PM
IP: kittcomm30a-24.colorado.edu

I've finnally settled on a text color! And no one else uses this one! Yeah!

You guys do realize I was just joking about not having read Macbeth, even though the final with a ton of questions about it was today... The English teacher double crossed us! He said it was gonna be an essay question! It was a 300 question test! Arrg! Okay, it was an easy test if you actually read the books, like I did, but still... Ah well, my finals tommarrow are in Theater and Art, shouldn't be _too_ difficult...

Now, here's a fight scenario where I actually don't have a really good idea of who would win, so I'm gonna ask just this one...
Jon DeLancie versus Desmond Llewlyn. Who wins? (Jon Delancie plays Q on Star Trek, and Desmond Llewlyn plays Q in the Bond movies...) And I'mtalkin' the actual actors, not their roles...

Deuce- Nice Furby vent. What is the deal with these things? You'd think the craze would be focused on the Playstation game Metal Gear Solid, the BEST FRIGGIN' GAME EVER! Go figure...

Stephen- Teasers 2 weeks in advance? That's just cruel man... Ah well, I'll start doing the same once my fics go up on a regular schedual...

Selanit- At first it seems time consuming to go up and then back down, but consider this. By the end of the week, the room is usually around 400K or more. Now, would you rather just load up a little bit, hit the stop button, and be done much quicker, or would you rather sit through a long wait period for the new posts to come up while you are stuck with old ones? You'll get used to it. And besides, you can see who's talking before they start! Of course, text color usually gives a person away...

Mandi- Congrats on the easy teeth pull.

$$$$$ RP RELATED $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

SJ- Not too long an RP post. Considering I spent almost as much space just cycling off voices done by Rob Paulsen and Jeff Bennet...

$$$$$ END RP RELATED BIT $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Well, time to go. I have to *snicker* _study_ for my Art final...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 09:50:13 PM
IP: spider-ti082.proxy.aol.com

Selanit as big as this comment room gets, if the posts were added to the bottom, by sunday night it would take alot of time to scroll down and read the new posts.

Anyone remember the stupid spinoff of Power Rangers
Masked Rider. They should sue the
furby people. The Furby's act and sound like Furbis from that show.

I'm glad I have cats.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 09:24:04 PM
IP: proxy-311.public.rwc.webtv.net

***BEGIN RP*****
The gang in the Dark Star are all talking about the new arrival. They're all wondering what his visit means....
"Sir," one of the crew members says to the Administrator. "The prisoner is asking to see you. All of you in fact."
Reluctantly, the gang all heads to the prison cells...
****PAUSE RP****

Star Trek Novels: Personally, I think most of them, while occasionally entertaining, are mainly just Paramount's way to cash in on the franchise. They aren't exactly classics of literature. However, some of them, like Dark Mirror and the Peter David (Hulk smash!) are actually very good.

Macbeth: I've always liked the historical character more than Shakespeare's version (I guess Gargoyles has brainwashed me that way ;] ). Macbeth was always a tragic hero: he was a good king, but circumstances just got out of hand. Ol' Will Shakes really villified him. He got a bum rap, man!

Jewel: Good to see you in here! We're a little more insane this side of the comment room....

Bizarre Ideas: Yeah, that's happened to me a lot. Sometimes I'm thinking, maybe about story ideas or whatever, and I'll look at my idea, and do a sort of double take; you know, like "where the hell did I come up with THAT?" I usually don't disturb myself though. As for killing characters.....hey, that's what they're there for. Remember that old Tiny Toons episode where Plucky Duck dressed up as Batman, with that pig as The Boy Target? That's kinda the same idea. Your characters are there for you to torture, maim, and generally destroy!

Doug: Any chance that an Overpower card featuring little ol' me might be in the future? Not to be narcissistic or anything....

Tonight's Buffy: Angel finally gets his. I guess I'm the only one who realllllllllly hates him?

Furby: God, these things are ten times worse than Tickle me Elmos. Hopefully, those annoying soccer moms will kill themselves off hunting the damn things.

Fey and Souls/the Afterlife: Ever play the roleplaying game Changeling: The Dreaming? It's created by the nice folks at White Wolf Studios, the creators of one of my favorite rp games, Vampire the Masquerade.
They're view is that all fae are the products of the dreams and creativity of mankind. They feed and gain their power off of dreams, originality, creative thoughts--called glamour. In that case, the fae don't have souls. And if they died, they'd more than likely just join the Dreaming again. As for Gargoyles....well, I don't think it's ever been said that they worshipped one particular religion or another. Who knows what their theology is like?
Personally, I don't like the idea of fae as angels. That kind of gives them too much credit. I mean, even for angels of neutrality, the fae are generally pretty petty and can be pretty mean-spirited.
In some Christian theologies, a human is made of three parts: Body, soul, and spirit (spirit being the conscious aspect of the self, i.e. the mind). Clones would have body and spirit...but they'd probably not have souls.

****BEGIN RP*******
[Warning: This RP is very long. I'll try not to let it happen again.]

The group has reached Boba's cell, where he is waiting for them.
"Alright," Wilek shouts to him. "Let's have some answers. What are you doing here? Who sent you?"
"Who sent me is not important," the bounty hunter replied, his voice sounding robotic through the comm units in his helmet. "What's important is why I'm here."
"And why are you here?" the Administrator demanded.
"To give you information. You need to know the whole story." Fett paused for a moment. "Everything you think you know about the Imperials is wrong."
"What do you mean?" Kari asked.
"There's a reason they're attacking you. They're afraid that you'll find out the truth about them and Thailog."
"Which is?"
Fett paused, taking a breath. "Roughly 6 months ago, the Imperials were contacted by the Gargoyle you know as Thailog. He made them an offer they could not refuse. Apperently, Thailog had made a discovery of some alien technology hidden deep within Area 51--technology the Rebels Han Solo and CHewbacca were here on Earth to find and destroy."
"What would that be?" Wilek asked.
"Several Spaarti clone cyclinders," Fett responded. "Devices to quickly process clones. Thailog made the Imperials an offer: join with him and take over the world. After the conquest of earth, the Imperials would use the clones created by the cyclinders to replenish their dwindling armies and fight back the New Republic. Everyone thought the Spaarti cylinders were destroyed; this opportunity to get their hands on more of them was too good to pass up. So the Empire agreed, sending Zale and Jerec to make sure the plan worked. Thailog would get Earth...and the Imperials would get the key to defeating the Rebellion."
<Damn!> Frankie shouted. <A whole army of clones...>
"It's worse than that," Boba continued. "The human geneticist Anton Sevarius has been using them for another purpose: he's currently creating an army of Dark Jedi clones. Unstoppable warriors, loyal only to Jerec or Thailog."
Everyone turned to Dark Mage Wilek. "Don't look at me! Thailog never told me where he got all the clones! I thought Sevarius had that under control."
"Thailog isn't going to stop there," Wilek added. "Once he gets control of Earth, he'll want to join the Imps in their conquest of the galaxy."
"That is why you must work quickly," Fett said. "Your defense of the Earth has hindered the plan. Thailog is gearing up for a full scale offense strike. By Christmas, he plans to have the entire world under his control. If he is not stopped and the cylinders not destroyed....Earth and the New Republic is doomed."
Fett neared the door of the cell. "Oh, and there is one other thing...."
Abruptly, a blaster, hidden previously in his armor, appears in Fett's hand. Everyone takes a step back, anticipating Fett's next move. He points the blaster straight at SJ. "I specialize in retrieval," the bounty hunter said cooly. "And he's coming with me."
To be continued!
*****END LONG RP*******


Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 09:16:52 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

Todd> That X-Files story was entertaining, thanx for posting it again. I found it last Christmas and saved it to my computer, but totally forgot I had it. Its cool to see that its still circulating, even a year later (I have to wonder, now, how long it had been going around before I found it?)

Robby> I agree with you completely about The X-Files. I think this season has been too light and whimsy; and too focused on Mulder's and Scully's relationship. What happened to the old "Creature of the week" episodes, where we could be handed subtle, precise humor and see their relationship develop indirectly, while still being able to enjoy an intriguing story?

Afterlife> If you believe in life after death, than I would think you'd believe in life after death for _everyone_. Humans, gargoyles, fay, clones, sentient robots, etc. Where's the difference? Why would some have souls and others not? I find the thought of the pick-and-choose idea disturbing...
Entity
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 08:56:09 PM
IP: ely-oh4-51.ix.netcom.com

RE: Elisa's Car> Fairlane, Bel Air . . . who cares? It's still cool. BTW, on a complete tangent, I once saw a VW Bug with 12 foot tires. Someone had taken the time to attach monster-truck wheels to the insect. Then they left in a field to rust -- there was a tree growing beneath it. I wonder if it could actually move?

I find that I dislike the CR format here. Since people post long stuff, wouldn't it make more sense for new posts to be added at the bottom, rather than the top? As it is, you spend time scrolling up, reading down, then scrolling up again for every new note. :-/


Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Lakewood, CO, Guess :-þ
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 08:42:52 PM
IP: chen-yuris.colorado.edu

I liked the new Pendragon episode.

I was shocked to find out that Michael is Griff's brother. It looks like Brianna will be in the rest of the Pendragon series, because Griff and Brianna are mates now.

Liked the pictures of Caspian and Rosalind and Griff and Michael.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 07:32:12 PM
IP: chil-ras4-1-cs-16.dial.bright.net

**RP!!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal Coyote gleefully blowing away the Borg-Furbies with his sawed-off 12 gauge. At the same time, the sideshow members are frantically battling through the evil toys to make their way to the Furbies' commanders, Preston and Grant.**

Give it all to 'em! **turns to tank** Fire!

**The tank fires another 12-incher into the midst of the Furbies, sending little gabbing furballs flying everywhere.**

All right, Lucy, Susie, help me out here!

**Coyote ducks as Lucy and Susie use their impediment (being born joined at the wrists) to deliver a flying clothesline to both Preston and Grant. Coyote runs over to the now-flat on his back Preston, stuffing the barrel of the shotgun into the punk's mouth.**

**PAUSE RP!!**

Kyryn: Not only the Metro ... according to my computers at work, the Chevy Sprint came with 3-bangers, as well. **shudder**

Wilek: I get the hint! :) Actually, I need to install my Zip drive and import all the WCC mail messages to my mail program, so that way I can have the descriptions again. Ugh.

Deuce: You twisted soul you!! :)

Stormy: Okay, I couldn't tell, the pic was in black and white ... but I think Spike has resolved this argument for everyone who was involved. And I never knew that about the wingspans on the Clan ... hmmm ...

Cyrway: The South Park game is ... are you sitting down? ... a FIRST PERSON "DOOM" SHOOTER! **insert hysterical laughter here** Heh ... anyway, it's due out in March, IIRC.
BTW, got your package today (knew it was trouble when the return addy said "Winslow, ME" ;), and all I can honestly say is ... thanks so much! And start scanning *your* mailbox now ...
As far as vehicle hybrids go ... I think I saw a RL hybrid that beats everything in "Hot Rod:" a guy who put a Ford ABS system and a Chevy 302 into the chassis of an early-70s AMX.

Story idea thoughts: I get mine in weird places ... among the weirdest:
"The Bowels" came to me while taking a shower ...
"Fairlane" while I was looking through a parts catalog at work (okay, so it's not so weird) ...
The upcoming fic I got the idea for it while eating a hamburger at lunch while at work (I think the radio was playing the song it'll be based on when I was eating ...).

Mandi: Glad your dental surgery wasn't as serious as you were fearing.

Spike re upcoming TGS wedding #2: *Pleeeeeeeeeeeease* tell me it's Broadway and Angela!!!

**RESUME RP!!**

**Coyote glares up at Grant, holding the barrel of the gun tightly against Preston's nose.**

Don't even *think* about moving, buddy!! I'll blow his head off so cleanly it won't leave a stain on my jeans!!

**Grant backs off. Preston is now making panicked noises underneath the barrel of the gun.**

Now I'm gonna get my payback for everything you ever did to me, punk!

<CLICK!! "I think not.">

**Coyote looks over to see another Borg standing next to him, holding an enhanced arm in a threatening manner toward Coyote.**

Oh no ...

**The new Borg is Jimmy, the seal boy. The screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 07:20:25 PM
IP: modem58.i-is.com

**RP ALERT!**

The screen comes back on. Jammer has just jumped into the Onslaught and used it to run over and crush Borg Jimbo and Ned, stopping their weapon barrages. Borg Stan has likewise been killed by a shell from Coyote's tank. As the battle goes on, Melanie aims a gun at Jaden, spouting some line to her boyfriend about him making a good fur coat. Jaden looks really pissed and leaps at Melanie, shredding her to pieces with his claws and teeth as he comes down. Clayton, looking even more angry, takes aim at the werewolf with his own gun, but is blown away by Doug before he can shoot. Jaden and Doug exchange thumbs-ups, then each go back to the fighting. After firing his plasma shotgun a few more times, Doug has to duck behind a parked car to reload. While doing so, he turns to face the CR.

**PAUSE RP**

Finals: I got done with them today, too. <VERY BIG GRIN> I think I did about the same as Kitainia. Glad they're over, the break should be good.

Selanit: You're welcome.

Kitainia: I don't think Thailog would do the immortality quest because he doesn't have a soul. I think he'd probably be an atheist, and see religion as just a human convention, a tool of the masses, you get the idea. He still could do those things you say, but not because he has religion in mind.

The Furby Fight: You're forgetting those five security guards who had to break it up. The fight did go on for forty minutes before they showed up, though, that is still suprising. Oh well, when you put fifteen a-dolt moms and only three cute Furby dolls in the same store, chaos is bound to break out. If that truck carrying forty-eight more Furbies the store manager mentioned in the paper article about the fight had arrived on schedule, maybe the battle could have been avoided. I wonder what happened to that truck. (Creativity Demon is in the RP below.)

Writer Dreams: I have them, too. Kitainia's already voiced the details. And yes, I also am sometimes unable to believe what I can think up. But I rejoice in writing it nonetheless. <grin>

Mandi: Glad your wisdom teeth pulling went okay. We'll post our usual volume over the break, don't worry. Except for the aforementioned time we'll be away for Christmas.

Caspian: Is he like me? There's a garg out there who's a lot like me? <grin> That's great! But in reality I bet there are many differences between me and Caspian. I mean, I don't have a horn on my head and I don't know anything about doing magic! Oh well, he's still a good and interesting character, it doesn't matter how much his personality's like mine. :)

Spike: I too think you should write "Summer Camp." About your next wedding story, I wonder if it could be Graeme and Lucy you'll be getting together. I've been thinking about how those two have a lot in common lately. <grin> Oh well, probably won't happen in TGS. It may, though, if I choose to include Lucy in my fanfic. They'd both have to grow up a little more first, of course. :)

Todd: That's some interesting info about legends of the fay. I didn't know that story about them possibly being angels. And them being the children of Eve? Nah. If one looks at the fay's penchant for pranks, evil, and a prevalence of stuck-up attitude as well as meddling in mortal affairs, it's more likely that they would be spawned from Adam's mythical first wife Lillith. According to traditonal medieval mythology, she was a lot like Maeve in personality. Of course, there is a school of thought that says she was misunderstood, and really just the first liberated woman who was unjustly punished for asserting her natural rights. Said punishment was being thought of by many medieval people as the mother of demons and Satan's consort. I hold that school's viewpoint, as evidenced by how I portrayed Lillith in "Choices," one of my fics.

That's all for now.

**RP RESUMES**

Borg Kyler suddenly leaps over the car and lands on top of Doug, brandishing a bloody cyber-implany butcher knife and yells "I'll Kill You!!!" Doug has fortunately just finished reloading his plasma shotgun and uses it to blast the psycho into oblivion. Throwing his corpse off, Doug leaps up and gets back into the fight. As the battle goes on, Cora and her two burglar pals are all killed by laser barrages from Gubio's Timberwolf Mech. Only Grant and Preston are left of the enemy, and they are soon surrounded by the good guys. "Put your hands up!" a policeman commands, pointing his revolver at them. "No thank you," Grant chuckles. "We have more forces in reserve." He opens a portal in the air and a whole bunch of fuzzy purple badgerlike creatures walk out, jabbering in some nonsense language. All sport numerous cybernetic armor and weapon implants. "May I present our newest soldiers," Grant laughs. "The Borg Furbies!!" The Ravens all groan as the portal closes and the enemy's new toys attack. To be continued.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 06:43:47 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zow-vty65.as.wcom.net

FAY AND THE AFTERLIFE - Well, as I said, I don't know if fay being soulless applies to the Gargoyles Universe. That's just what traditional legend says about them. (Traditional legend is never quite sure what the fay are, by the way. One explanation given is that they're the angels who didn't side with Satan in his rebellion against God, but didn't side with God either, and so were banished to Earth as a punishment for their neutrality. Another version is that they were biological children of Adam and Eve which Eve tried to hide from God when he came strolling by - she hadn't given them their bath yet - and so were condemned to remain hidden forever. Still another is that they're the spirits of the dead. I doubt that any of these apply to the Gargoyles Universe, though).

Since the fay are supposedly creatures of magic rather than of biology, it's possible that when they die, they simply decay into some sort of pool of magical energy and disperse. But I don't know. When "Ask Greg" gets back up again, I should ask Mr. Weisman what his thoughts on that subject are.

CHRISTI - Sounds like an interesting idea; the "Summer Camp", I mean. Given that Merlin's biologically a bit older than Lucy's generation (the London hatchlings are the equivalent of 10-year-olds, and he's around 13 or 14 at the moment), I wonder how he'd feel about being stuck with them for a few weeks - especially given the fact that he's really a 1500-year-old halfling that's simply stuck in a 14-year-old body. You really should write that as a TGS-spun-off indy, like your "Garlon and Sekhmet" story.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 06:27:39 PM
IP: pn9-ppp-184.primary.net

**A hologram of RL Mandi appears in the room, sitting at her computer. She's in her PJ's, looks a little groggy, but nothing looks swollen.**

You're looking at the luckiest person ever to have their wisdom teeth pulled. No dry sockets, no infection, no impaction...heck, the guy took only 45 minutes! So I'm better than can be expected after crashing all day. My mouth hurts, but I can eat, although the blender and the microwave are going to be my best friends for a few days. :)

South Park Movie> Hmmm. I lost interest in South Park a while back. A lot of my floor section did too, and my roomie hated it. So it's not as much fun watching it by yourself as opposed to crowding everyone in a friend's room on Wednesday nights. It's funnier that way. I don't know about the movie, but a South Park video game? Hehehe...I like that idea. I hope Trey Parker and Matt Stone get a say in its design, though. A lot of TV-based video games I've seen are nowhere near as enjoyable as the shows they're spawned from.

Kitania> Congratulations! Whee! Freedom! I hope you have a great break (and it won't deter you from posting much). What matters is that the finals are DONE. I frankly don't care how I did on mine as long as I get a B for the course (have to keep a 3.1 GPA to keep the money I got). So be happy! It's over!

Spike> "Summer Camp"? I love that idea...if it doesn't get into TGS, do it as an indy-fic (if you can with the TGS eps and the art and the Avery stories and the kids). Hmmm. On second thought, take your time. :)

Cyrway> Sending my comments tonight. I can't find much to say, because I really liked it, but what the heck. If you get some mail from a netgsi.com address, that's my home account. The college mail server is being a pain in the @$$ yet again. ;)

Ow. Okay, not good, something's bugging a socket...*grumble grumble* Til later!

**Mandi gets up, holding her jaw, and shuffles out of the picture. The hologram flickers out.**

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 05:45:22 PM
IP: p1-36.netgsi.com

**RP ALERT**

Preston and his goons are fighting the Ravens, their compadres, and the San Antonio PD. As the screen comes on, Doug has just thrown a big rock and taken out Vijay by hitting him in the center of the forehead. Stephanie has also used her katana to slice to pieces the ex-junior high principal Teppen, making sure to chop off her pointing fingers and sharp tongue. "That's for all the times you got Lisa and me in trouble for having fun," she snarls. Kitainia, who has just blown Borg-Kenny away with her laser, grimaces and looks at Stephanie. "You call letting boys smoke in our bathroom, heckling the speakers during school assemblies, and all the horrible pranks we used to pull on other students fun?" she asks. "They were for us," Stephanie points out. Kitania nods, "Good point." She then has to duck behind a parked car as Borg-Cartman and Borg-Kyle shout "Oh my God, you killed Kenny!!" and fire a barrage of missiles at her. While waiting for the firing to stop, Kitainia turns to face the CR.

**PAUSE RP**

Stephen: I agree with you about Godzilla movies and Draco, but those comments probably belong in the other CR, where a CGI discussion is going on. :)

Stormy: I too like Caspian a lot. He reminds me of Doug, with his looks, talent for magic, attention to girls, and general personality. I wonder if Cas also likes to read a lot. <grin> Hope to see more of him in the future and get a pic of that young unicorn in this CR.

JEB: Don't mention it.

Todd: Funny X-Files joke, thanks for posting it. On the subject of the fay having an afterlife, I think some of them probably do. We just have yet to see evidence of it. I agree with Wilek that unless something is created by another mortal being (like a robot or clone), they do have a soul. (Creativity demon: Thailog finds out he has no hope of an afterlife and starts questing for immortality, eventually trying to steal that "Anima Perpetua" scroll from Xanatos's safe or the Grail from Duval.)

X-Files: I like this season so far, the episodes have been good if repetitive. I also think it's only a matter of time before they again deal with the conspiracy.

Selanit: I too welcome you to the CR. Glad you're already insane, I know I was when I came in here.

Deuce: Thanks for blowing up the Furby factory. I hate those things so much. Last week Doug and I were shopping at Toys R Us for Xmas gifts (for his six and eight year old half-siblings) and witnessed fights breaking out in the aisles over those toys. How people could get so nutz over them is completely beyond me, what especially annoys me is that nobody did anything to break the fighting up. :(

Jackal: If you want to send me the dream, do. If not, don't. I have no problem either way, it's your choice.

Jewel: Welcome to you as well. It's good to see another famous and very proficient fanfic writer in here! :)

Deuce, Jewel, Christine: You should hear Doug talking in his sleep. Half the time, it's usually about his stories. And he almost always can't remember half the things he dreams up for them, so we have to regurgitate the dreams. That's real fun. And yes, the writer in my neck of the woods also is often unable to believe what he can think of and write. But of course that is a normal thing for all writers, according to the history of the subject. :)

Spike: Hmm, which gargoyle pair are you going to marry off next? Goliath and Elisa (better consult with Stephen and Christine, who wrote the best wedding stories for them)? Broadway and Angela (that seems most likely)? Or will it be some new characters, like Roz and Caspian, or Graeme and whoever his mate will be in TGS, or Arianna and whoever her mate will be? I can hardly wait to find out!

Finals: I got done with them today. <sudden screaming chorus of ecstasy and joy> Another semester of college is done. I probably made low Bs or Cs on most of them, I usually do. Oh well, I did the best job I could on really hard tests I put a lot of studying into. As long as I passed, I'll be happy. At least they're over. :)

That's all for now.

**BACK TO RP**

The missile barrage stops as Kyle and Cartman get a sudden craving for their favorite food. Kitainia pulls out a Mr. Carter style bazooka loaded with explosive Beefcake pies and fulfills their request, in the process taking them both out. The battle continues as the screen goes blank.

**END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 05:07:26 PM
IP: fac-b-a8.lib.utexas.edu

Well, well!! Thank you all so very kindly for the warm reception "My Lady Fair" has been making this week. It was a lot of fun to write! If it was possible, I'd love to follow it up with Caspian & Roz and Griff & Brianna returning with Lucy's rookery and Merlin for "Summer Camp" but that's just wishful thinking.

TGS Wedding Expert: This sort of cracks me up -- by some strange coincidence, this is not the last time I'm going to be marrying off a gargoyle and his beloved. *evil laugh*

"Home for the Holidays" -- I'm also terribly pleased with the response on this little story as well. Actually, Christine and Stormy are BOTH right: without revealing too many details (which would really wreck future stories), Trenton regards Tina as his mother because she's the one who raised him but Marina (Lex's ill-fated fling in "Angry Young Gargoyle")was his birth mother. [I'm a great fan of adoption at the moment because my bro-in-law (the leukemia survivor) and his wife adopted a baby girl this year.] Sometimes who you think of as 'mother' isn't always the one who birthed you; sometimes Mother is the one who carries you in her heart.
Spike
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 01:22:33 PM
IP: dal-as3-2106.cmpu.net

Odd... I actually think up my stories in bed... then am shocked that I thought of such a thing... so I sympathize with you girls. I've also found myself crying over what I wrote... even if it's only in it's first draft, or still in my head. I always develop an irrational bond with my characters... one might say that killing them is kind of masochistic... make myself cry. No, to do that I watch depressing movies at one in the morning. Hehehehe....
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 01:12:42 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

Jewel > "You know it's bad, though, when you find yourself staring at a ceiling late at night, thinking, "I can't believe I *could* even think up stuff like *that*." --- you mean that's a _bad_ thing? ; ) Uh-oh, am _I_ in trouble!!!

**HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS SPOILER**
Hmm, so then why did Trenton make that remark about calling her "Aunt Avery" and being related to her?
**END SPOILER**

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 12:18:05 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Jackal: two things--Yay! Another person from Georgia!!!!! (right now I'm transplated to PA for college, and I'm going nuts up here.) The second--don't worry about giving yourself nightmares from your own fic--it's kinda normal. I've journeyed more than once into the land of Creeping Out Yourself" while writing fic and more than once found myself staring at the computer screen with a morbid kind of sadistic fascination that my imagination is as twisted as it was. You know it's bad, though, when you find yourself staring at a ceiling late at night, thinking, "I can't believe I *could* even think up stuff like *that*."
Jewel Faulkner - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:47:59 AM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Fairline> From what Coyote told me, Elisa's car is a cross between a Ford Fairline and a Chevy Bel Air...when I first saw it, I saw the back end for the first time, I thought it was a Bel Air...though the front was a Fairline...confused me too...hey, I have a friend who created a car/bike with the front end a Harley Softtail and the back a VW Bug. But, for the most part, most ppl consider it a Fairline...

PPl who read my fics> Can you imagine Artemis half-Goat, half-'Cuda?

Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:34:29 AM
IP: gcolor.com

Elisa's car may not actually be a Ford Fairlane, but ever since I first read about it being identified as such, I have never been able to hear the name "Ford Fairlane" mentioned anywhere without automatically thinking of her.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:28:24 AM
IP: pn3-ppp-107.primary.net

Hmmm...and suddenly I'm getting a very evil idea involving South Park and the Weird Sisters...

Now that Caligo and Wagner have been put in their right places...thank you Stormy...I didn't know they had dresses in Cal's size...

South PArk Video game?! Tell me it's coming out for Saturn/Playstation/or PC...I'm there...You should see me with car games...if it's got a '67 Goat, it's mine. The movie? I'm excited for that too...at least it's not Beavis and Butthead...the kids from South Park are at least cute looking...

I must point out here, I want to thank everyone who has sent comments and corrections for AA...especially Jeb and Traveler...still waiting for Miss English Major...*smirks at Stormy.* Hopefully, everyone will have it's reading pleasure before Friday...as for the next fic, it's probably going to be the Frayed Ends of Sanity with Stormy...heh...the only time to make a Bavarian assassin and a half-demon-half-angel look like total losers and complete idiots. Illustrated too...

WAGNER: That wasn't us...that was our Evil Alternate Universe counterparts.
CALIGO: We would never sink to the depths of them.
CYRWAY: Then why do I have a video tape of the two of you singing Frank Zappa's "Titties and Beer"?
CALIGO: *blatantly.* Blackmail.
WAGNER: Obviously. *The two gargoyles look at eachother, then look at Cyrway. Suddenly, they bolt toward her, snatch her up like a rag doll, and carry her off into Wagner's staff car.*

*TO BE CONTINUED?*
Cyrway - [amy@gcolor.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:15:54 AM
IP: gcolor.com

WINGSPANS: Some information gathered out of "Meet the Characters"--I wonder whether that book is canon or not. It gives Elisa's car as a Ford Fairlane, but Greg later said that Elisa's car is deliberatly a composite vehicle so as not to promote one auto company over another (just as TaleSpin's Sea Duck was a composite aircraft)

Goliath: 18 feet
Broadway: 16
Demona: 14
Brooklyn: 12
Lex: 7

(None given for Hudson)
(And note: the Trio's wingspans are the size they were when they first awakened in New YOrk: they grew throughout the series and would still be growing some...this is now pure speculation, but I'd guess that full grown, Broadway would be 17, Brooklyn 15, Lex 8 or 9....my speculation on Hudson is 14 feet...)

Coyote: Spike told me that Trenton is indeed Mariana's kid. I guessed it for two reasons: 1) Spike won't allow human/gargoyle hybrids without magical intervention and 2--this clinched it for me--Trenton's got a crest of white hair, same as Marina.
Stormy - [<--Kokanee Mountain Patrol Beware!!!]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:11:39 AM
IP: dynixpc4.huron.uwo.ca

¤¤¤¤THE FOLLOWING IS A POST BY JACKAL: IT'S CONTENTS ARE THAT OF THE USUAL- RESPONSES TO RANDOM POSTS, NO PARTICULAR TOPIC. (NOTHING TOO OFFENSIVE THIS TIME)¤¤¤¤

A SOUTH PARK MOVIE?!!! I love South Park!! (Show of hands if that came as no surprise to anyone) I'd kill Kenny to see it! I hope Mr. Hat's in it!!!
Anyway- SJ, I never harbor hard feelings to anyone....., really..., It's just when people get on my nerves, I've got to get on theirs, but I don't hate anyone- Except for in RL.
The friggin law> I've developed a love/hate realtionship with the PO-lice, I kinda feel left out if I don't go to jail atleast once every six months!!! :) j/k
X-flippin Files> I got to watch the X-mas episode last night (on tape), personally I enjoyed it. I was waiting for Ed to say something about Demona for some reason..., anyway, I feel that X-Files is touching on something they've never thought about before- love. It brings a strange variety to the show, in my opinion.
<<Sounds like you've been having pretty intense experiences>>
Hmmmpphhh, you should try licking everything that's glass in public with a condom on your tongue, EXTREME!!!
I hate to sound dumb but, I'm currently writing a 3 part "fic", and it gave me a nightmare last night. Seriously, I'm not kidding..., Kitainia, if you want me too, I can email you, tell you the dream, and why I think I had it, then get your personal opinion, would that be cool?
Anyway, I guess I should get ready for work.

"Society has traditionally, always tried to find scapegoats for it's problems. Well, here I am" -MM & me
"The Disassociative"- Jackal - [jkal1127@aol.com]
Ga, Usa
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:31:52 AM
IP: spider-wn043.proxy.aol.com

Just a reminder for everyone, in less that two weeks:

"The Future... the Past... Old Friends long gone..."

All that and more in "Reunions"

Brought to you by myself and Brian "DumlaoX" Dumlao, and the staff at TGS.

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:18:51 AM
IP: m22.ieway.com

** BEGIN RIDICULOUS RP THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING, BUT MADE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER TO WRITE. **

** Deuce walks into the CR, and sees a brown paper-wrapped package sitting on the table. He picks it up, and hears a ticking from inside. Aware that every second it statys in here endangers the room (thus invalidating his RP), Deuce looks for a suitable window to throw it from. Although the CR, in theory, has in infinite number of windows, Deuce cannot find one to suit his purpose. In desperation, Deuce runs over to the APG (Automatic Portal Generator), and dials in a set of coordinates. He hurtles the package into the resulting vortex, and closes the portal. **

Ah, much better.

** END FIRST HALF OF VENTING RP. **

WILEK re: TNG NOVELS> Wow. Q-Squared an Dark Mirror are also MY favorite novels, and the only two ST novels I own (aside from a few collections of short stories). Interesting....

ROBBY> I'll try to e-mail the file to you after school, assuming Netscape Messenger behaves itself. (Took three tries to get my story to Christine for AvMists, finally just sent her the URL).

SELANIT> Warm, warm welcome. You have no sanity? Tres bon; We can start right in, then! *evil grin*

** BEGIN SECOND HALF POINTLESS RP. **

** Deuce leaves, flipping on the TV to the news as he walks out. A newslady comes on: **

["Today, an unusual explosion occured at the main U.S. Furby factory. An estimated 85,000 of the highly popular toys were incinerated..."]

** END RP. END POST. END FURBYS. **

Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:11:24 AM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

MACBETH IN SHAKESPEARE AND "GARGOYLES" - I can certainly agree that the "Gargoyles" version is more historically accurate. Actually, that reminds me of something that happened shortly after I first saw "City of Stone Part One". I was thinking during it, "Macbeth's father's name is Findlaech? I thought that it was Sinell; that's the name for him in Shakespeare." Then, a bit later on that day, I was reading a book I have about Dark Age European history, got to the section on Macbeth (which actually had a family tree in it), and discovered, "No, his father's name really was Findlaech".

One odd little tidbit: It's a bit strange that the Canmore propaganda about Macbeth, while preserving his encounter with the Weird Sisters, didn't do the same with his alliance with the gargoyles. I can see why King Arthur and Cuchulain's links with gargoyles in their own time were forgotten (to the point of claiming that the Hound of Ulster was a nickname of Cuchulain's rather than a pet gargoyle beast), for they were cultural heroes, and people who hated gargoyles wouldn't want to acknowledge that their cultural heroes associated with gargoyles. But Macbeth was being developed in the popular tradition into a villain, so his association with them wouldn't have harmed anything, and might have even helped ("the bloody tyrant actually made a pact with bat-winged demons from the infernal regions"). Maybe the Scots just wanted to forget that gargoyles had ever existed, period.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 07:27:23 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-134.primary.net

Doug> Thanks for the warm welcome.

Robby> I have no worries about my sanity. I can't lose what I never had, now can I? ;-)
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Lakewood, CO, Guess :-þ
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 06:51:58 AM
IP: chen-yuris.colorado.edu

** SOMEWHAT LONG RP!**

I've fixed the continuity break: Kari shot the Dark Jedi, then Anoth made him commit suicide, then SJ's post occurred. [At the Dark Star, the Administrator's Borg have finished with their repairs and the station's new Borg weapons have torn most of the Imperial Fleet to shreds. Wilek: "Kari! How in the world did you get here?! Oh, never mind; I'll ask when we don't have so much else to worry about." Kari: "What do you mean?" SJ: "Do you know exactly who is out there? Boba Fett. One of the meanest and most powerful bounty hunters ever. <sigh> And I thought we were done here." Miriam: "His ship's capabilities are roughly equivalent to those of a single New Republic Y-Wing. He is no match for us. Administrator, launch a TIE Defender squadron." A few things to be cleared up about the Administrator: She's rarely in the command center, but in a little office somewhere in the Dark Star. As she's a Borg Queen, she spends much of her time with her head detached and hanging in a hole in the ceiling, although she can and does monitor and maintain voice communications with other areas of the DS and other ships. And she only runs our new Borg and the mechanical and technical aspects of the station; its actual commanding officer is someone Miriam calls Agent Rho. Anyhow, the TIE Defenders launch, and after a brief skirmish, the Slave 1 falls prey to their disabling ion cannons. The TIEs begin towing the dead ship to the hangar bay...] BTW, if any of you would like to know what the oft-mentioned TIE Defender looks like, click my name for a screenshot I made.

**PAUSE KIND OF LONG RP!**

Deuce> Impressive work on the quote. (Q-Squared is one of my favorite Star Trek novels ever, along with Dark Mirror. Too bad neither book actually fits into ST continuity...) Now we need to find a ship capable of holding a gazillion cybercookies...

JEB> $<<actually making cards will take a little while. Hope ya don't mind.>> Not at all. BTW, Coyote is also working on a picture of Forfexx, as well as of Jake (a wolf mutate), Teri (Jake's fox mutate wife), and Anoth (another Halfling) for whom cards are also forthcoming. They're in WCC and my fic series as well. (I didn't give a spoiler warning because that didn't truly spoil anything.)$

**EVERYONE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS**
There seem to be a *lot* of people forgetting to leave a horizontal space between warnings and RP/spoilers/whatever. Please stop forgetting this; Dumlao told us all to do this in his rant a few days ago and WE DON'T WANT TO TICK HIM OFF AGAIN!!!

Robby> <<What do ya mean the Shakespeare Macbeth? I have to read that? Aw man...>> If it makes you feel any better, Gargoyles' Macbeth is more historically accurate than Shakespeare's.

Todd> Speaking of funny Christmas stuff, go to http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3456/h_martha.html to read Martha Stewart's holiday calendar. I don't know whether to be amused or afraid.

South Park haters will have mixed feelings about the new South Park Nintendo 64 game. You get to kill South Park characters, but you play as one too. This game is causing a conflict of interest for me: The game itself looks kewl, but I despise South Park. What to do, what to do...

Fey having souls> Well, I think they do. The way I see it, if one wasn't created by another mortal being (like a clone or a robot), one has a soul, no matter what species one is. (I don't count mutates as being 'created' in that fashion, since they were human once.)

Stephen Sobotka> Dratini Pokemon? Is he an opera singer or something? :P j/k

**SPOILERS FOR AVALON MISTS AND MAYBE MY FANFICS**

My favorite bits from the newest Avalon Mists were the Ask Lex column and the Illuminati essay by Warpmind de Inzane (whose name is one of the kewlest I've ever encountered). When I read "secretive, uncomfortably efficient organization" in the aforementioned essay, guess who I thought of. I've actually used Lex's stealing idea--most of my second fic was stolen with permission, and my third fic's title, This Ascension, was stolen from a goth band whose interpretation of Carol Of The Bells I greatly admire. As for the Gargoyle Origins essay, it was quite fascinating...but 'stubby' wings? Eh...I've calculated Goliath's wingspan at something like 20 feet, and my own is about 19. Isn't that sufficient to support our weight? Not that I don't like the telekinesis explanation...but the thing about us being a created race...I don't much like the implications; see my comments about Fey having souls.

**END SPOILERS**

BTW, does anyone here know where I can find the excellent goth Christmas CD "Excelsis: A Dark Noel"? Or perhaps MP3's from it?

I just saw the Star Trek Insurrection novelization in a bookstore today. Should I go ahead and get it or wait to see the movie when it comes out on video next year? (The thing that stinks about not liking to see movies in theaters is the fact that I never see them until at least a year after they become popular. I *still* haven't seen the X-Files movie.)

**RESUME RP!**

[The TIEs tow the disabled Slave 1 into the hangar bay. Miriam: "Agent Rho has just informed me that Mr. Fett will be escorted to cell block A-17." Jake: "Thanks for telling us; I'd like to find out just what he's doing here." Forfexx: "Yes...and quite honestly, I've heard he's something of a criminal. Capturing genuinely dangerous individuals is one thing, but this idiot catches people so crime bosses can kill them over some silly debt or something." Wilek: "Yeah, I want to know what he wants with us. Or how he's even alive, given how old he is." It's been well over 50 years since the events of the Star Wars movies.] SJ, feel free to take over from here...

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 01:22:28 AM
IP: tnt-1-182-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Seems I inadvertantly lied, I AM back online tonight.. Ah well...

22-23 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!

X-Files- I have to agree, the show is moving away from its focus, and this is EXACTLY why I said Mulder and Scully should not get together a couple weeks ago. Steady romance ruined the show Moonlighting, it ruined the Spider-Man and Superman comics, and now, it is ruining X-Files. Maybe they should have stopped last season when Duchovny wanted to...

$$$$ SJ-Good recovery from the mistake I accidentally made... You and Kari have fun now, ya here? (By the by, she knows a few things about missle launchers and genetic splicers... Degree in some high level sciences... You two probably have a lot more in common than you think...) $$$$$

Deuce- I couldn't load the blasted WAV file because my computer shuts down whenever I try to load anything over a hundred K. I tried like three times, and it never made it to the end. Could you possibly e-mail it to me, where I should be able to play it?

Stephen- You were in Gold Digger issue 28. Lucky.

Kyryn- I still can't get over the fact you know people from Antarctic Press and Radio Comics! Too cool...

Selanit- (Robby pulls out a tape recorder, and hits the play button.) Welcome to the CR newcomer! This place can be a mad house at times, and your sanity will leave after a few months, but everyone here will welcome you with open arms. Lurk around a while, get the feel of the place, enjoy your stay, and come back repeatedly. THE MADNESS BEGINS FOR YOU NOW!!!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 15, 1998 12:14:48 AM
IP: spider-te044.proxy.aol.com

Kyryn: Gaspedy-Gasp-GASP! You're going to see Fred Perry at a con! Ooooo, can you get him to do a quick sketch for me or get me a signed issue (If you have any of his Gold Digger Issues, I have a letter posted in one of them: it has Gina wearing glasses and Cheetah on the cover. Can't remember the issue number, dangit! But my letter starts with "It's been a long time coming...")! I would be in your debt, and will pay you for the troubles!

Doug: Not a problem. Katt has some extra goodies under the hood, so it works either way. BTW, I'll get the information on my characters for the OP cards to you soon.

Maintain and Check Six! (goes off to gloat over his Dratini Pokemon beanie!)
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, December 14, 1998 11:42:20 PM
IP: m97.ieway.com

**RP ALERT!**

The group approaching Coyote's team consists of Preston, Cora and her burglar pals, Clayton and Melanie, Teppen, Vijay, Grant, Kyler and the six South Park Borg-clones. They've probably been sent as an advance attack team to chase the Ravens towards the place where the Masked Lich and his undead await. Jimbo and Ned seem to be the most heavily armed of the Borg, they have had all their hunting gear (missiles, machine guns, and so on) grafted to their bodies. Coyote and those with him are observing all this through binoculars, they and the police begin to form up to repel this attack.

Meanwhile, in the alley behind the coffee shop, Jammer has just cut the power to the building via the back wall's fuse box. Doug gets ready to throw the door open, but before he does turns to face the CR.

**PAUSE RP**

DojiNick: Thanks for the explanation. I sent you my fighter description again, hope you got it this time. If not, please let me know in here. I hope my e-mail problems are resolved.

Wilek: Thanks. Here's one for Forfexx:
Stats: Energy 5, Fighting 6, Strength 5, Intellect 6
Specials (*=OPD): Claws (level 4 Fighting attack); Liquid Shapeshifting (remove one permanent record hit); Twist and Flow (avoid one attack); Explosive Dive* (Level 10 Energy attack); Heart Rip-Out* (Level 9 Strength attack); Sick Jokes and Humor (Level 5 Intellect attack).

Hope you don't mind me posting his description so nobody gets confused by the above:
Forfexx Argentum> Another human/Fey halfling. Vigilante crimefighter and Anoth's half-brother (both are sons of the evil Fey Dahak). About 2000 yrs old; real name Longinus. He's THAT Longinus. His powers are mostly levitation and T-1000 style shapeshifting. He's very sick and twisted (personality is kind of a cross between Batman/Demona/Freddy Krueger/Spawn) when it comes with dealing with criminals. He likes to be creative when killing them. One of his favorite deaths is shifting to liquid, jumping down their throats, and making them explode as in the Star Trek DS9 novel "The Siege". (This was the Lawyer death he wanted to try.) He also enjoys ripping their hearts out and showing them to their owners before they die. Has a very sick sense of humor, and laughs and jokes a lot. A lot. Hyena would wonder what's wrong with his head. :) 'Wears' (the clothes are actually a part of his liquid body) a black mask with mirrored eyeholes, a wide-brimmed silver Darkwing Duck-style hat, a matching cape, and a matching, vaguely military-looking outfit. When fighting, prefers to use Freddy Krueger-like claws, although he's rather versatile.

$Miriam: Thanks for your offer. Later we might take you up on it.$

Robby: Sorry, I didn't even know the meaning of Xanatos before now. Thanks for enlightening me.

To those who don't know, Blue is a monstrous doglike creature who has a personality similar to Bronx's from the show Invasion America. Simon and Sonia are psychokinetic half-alien twins on the same show.

Stephen: Don't fault yourself, that's my problem! And on Katt, whether she was flying or riding the scene still made ROFLMAO. :)

Jonathan: That's interesting to know. Glad it won't happen in my lifetime.

JEB: You're welcome.

Deuce: Glad you're still here.

Todd: I liked the X-Files thing, thanks for posting it. On whether fay have souls, I think they probably can have their spirits detached from their bodies, and one or both bound inside an inanimate object (case in point, Loki and the Gate). But do their spirits detach when they die and go on to the afterlife? I don't know.

SJ: $Hope you don't mind us wasting South Park characters in the RP later. $

Selanit: Welcome to the CR. I too hope there are many good apples in the Illuminati outside my fanfic universe and Christine's. <grin>

X-Files: I agree with Deuce that they are doing a few too many Mulder and Scully relationship eps this season. But if they keep producing great lines like "The only joy you have is proving him wrong," who can complain? :)

That's all for now.

**RP RESUMES**

Doug throws open the door to the shop and takes out Ratchet Ralph (the door guard) with a tranqilizer pistol. The rest of the team (all similarly armed with stunners, tranq guns, and nonlethal weapons) follow him in and they rush into the main eating area. Firing their weapons, they quickly take out all the bikers except Jeeper, Al, Dave, and Anne. Jeeper grabs the secretary Kitainia was impersonating and puts a gun to her head. "Back off!" he orders. "Where's my money?" "We're not giving you money, Jeeper," snaps Kitainia. "You think what you're doing is right? Well, news flash, it ain't. And now you're going to suffer the consequences of your actions." She takes aim at him over everyone else's shocked looks. Jeeper is hit by Kitainia's blast in the same instant he shoots the secretary dead. In the same instant, missiles from Jimbo, Ned, and the other Borg smash into the building, raining masonry down on everyone. All the Marsh employees in the room except Daniel Kilmer and his bodyguard, and Anne the voodoo biker are buried under it. The other hostages begin panicking and all flee screaming out the shop's front door. Kilmer and his bodyguard produce hidden guns and shoot Big Al and Bigger Dave in the heads. They slump into death. Doug and the Ravens turn their weapons toward the two Marsh goons, but they disappear through one of Guod's portals. Then another barrage of missiles smacks into the building. "What the hell is going on?" asks Cobra, seeing the rest of his former cohorts have also been buried under the debris. "Doug, Kitainia, guys, help!" comes Ravyn's cry from outside at that moment. "Another attack," the team says in unison, rushing outside before the building can fully collapse on them. The screen goes blank. To be continued.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, December 14, 1998 11:17:38 PM
IP: hil-qbu-ppx-vty127.as.wcom.net

<pops into existence> Oooooo, good one this week. 'Tis a pity, though, that no one thought to use some of that truth serum on one of their abductors, thus discovering the name and nature of those determined to "protect" them. Ah, well. Doubtless they had more pressing things on their minds. I fear for the continued anonymity and safety of Clan Kylie. Perhaps Bluestone will gain access to the relevant records through his Illuminati contacts and mislead the searchers. Hey, it could happen! Given the apparent size of the Societatus Illuminati, there are bound to be a few good apples mixed in with the bad. We can only hope. Until next week, fellow gargoylophiles! <vanishes, leaving behind a small pile of burned out transistor tubes>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Lakewood, CO, Guess ;-)
Monday, December 14, 1998 10:19:38 PM
IP: kittcomm30a-23.colorado.edu

***Kyryn delurks momentarily***

Running on a tight schedule today.

Luck to everyone who has finals, Christmas craziness, or any other insanity to deal with.

Green Baron> Congrats on the date. Tuna Christmas is a hilarious play. I don't think there's a real Tuna in Texas, but it takes the weirdest and strangest from all the little towns that anyone has ever heard of and puts it all together.

Coyote> Nope, the Prism is a 4-cylinder. I think that you were thinking of the Metro *shudder*.

*l* I agree. Fred Perry's work would be cool in animation. I'll have to remember to let Fred know that some fans would like to see his work animated when I see him at A-Kon 10 in the spring.

Ack. Gotta go pound on the new computers some more and see if I can get them to connect properly.

**Kyryn grabs a large wrench and relurks**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Monday, December 14, 1998 10:15:46 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Whew! I actually avoided the incident that would have led to my extended abscence. It's a long story.

** LAST WEEK'S "WAR PLANETS"/"SHADOW RAIDERS" SPOILERS **

WAR PLANETS> Or "Shadow Raiders", as it's known up here, is a very, very good show. The technology is much better than ReBoot (as can be seen by the larger amount of and more intricate detail), and the storyline is fascinating, but the planets could have better names. "Fire"? "Ice?" Jeeze.... Remora was the only cool name, and that turned out to be some big robot-weapon. (I wasn't too clear on that point.) One nit I found, though, and that was how the Beast Planet hid in their sun. That would seriously blank up their star, and for the worse. Oh, well: it's a kid's show. Whaddya expect?

When you think of it, I bet WP/SR wouldn't exist without Gargoyles. Hmm....

** END SPOILERS FOR A SHOW TOO FEW PEOPLE WATCH, AND BEGIN SPOILERS FOR "HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS". **

Aah! Wow! Amazing! [more ranting] That was an absolutely excellent and terrific story, Spike. How you keep getting better and better is beyond me, but keep it up.

Now, please clarify: how could Harley (an AWESOME character who you should somehow bring back, God knows how) be born if Avery disappeared? You kinda need... two to tango, if you get my point. *scratches head* I must have skimmed some major point, I guess. Awesome story, anyhow, and beautiful pictures to accompany it (same w/ this morning's TGS episode, too).

** END ALL SPOILERS. ACTUALLY, END OF MY POST, TOO. BYE! **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, City of Champions, Canada
Monday, December 14, 1998 10:11:15 PM
IP: ts1545.connect.ab.ca

**RP!!**

**The backup groups stand ready outside the Starbucks, waiting for the first word from the infiltration party (again). Coyote and his extended party are trying to relax: Coyote is checking and rechecking his shotgun, Jason is checking the shafts of his crossbow arrows, the Gearhead is inside the tank, Jojo is happily guzzling out of a coffee urn, Harry is watching Coyote checking over his weapon, and the rest of the sideshow refugees are in a friendly discussion with Ravyn, Gubio and Methos.**

Howdy, folks. I'm monitoring the situation inside as best as I can. Pardon my whispering, it's the only way to do it without deafening the team inside. But while we're waiting, I'll make some replies.

**END 1ST HALF RP!!**

Jonathan: I beg to differ. There are at least four regular posters to the INWO-Cards mailing list from New Zealand, so don't feel so lonely.

**SPOILERS FOR "HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS"**

Stormy: You think? Now when I read that, I automatically assumed he was Lex and Tina's kid ...

Spike: Another one up to your usual standards. Bravo! :)

**END SPOILER FOR "HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS"**

Heather: Funny you should mention Q ... your guy John DeLancie was on "Ally McBeal" this evening. Just thought you'd like to know, in case you didn't catch it already.

Todd: *L*

Deuce: I agree, that sound bite is *hilarious!* Played it for mom last night ... she loved it, like I thought she would!

Finals folks: Take it easy, you don't want to burn yourselves out! It's only Monday!

**RESUME RP!!**

Nothing's happened yet, guys.

<"Uh ... Coyote ...">

What is it?

**The Gearhead points off down the street from the Starbucks. A ruckus is forming, as panicked people start running away from an unknown source.**

<"What're they running from?">

Don't know ... Jason, hand me the binoculars! **takes binoculars from Jason** Ohhhhhh, CRUD!

<"What, what is it?">

**Coyote cocks his shotgun.** Preston's back in town. **The folks outside of the Starbucks mobilize as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, December 14, 1998 09:46:24 PM
IP: modem108.i-is.com

The Timedancer countdown will be at 22-23 days in a couple hours. I usually don't countdown this far in advance, but I won't be on later tonight, I have to ... Ack... Study... For... Midterms...

I finished all my christmas shopping today! Yeah!

Todd- The X-Files thing was funny... And probably true...

$$$ RP STUFF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Wilek- Continuity problems... Dang... My fault, I saw that "very long RP" notice, and then a couple giant blocks of text, and just skimmed over it, completley missing the bit you did with SJ. My bad... Ah well, just say Kari's in there now anyhow, it doesn't concern me much, I only RP at the start of the week, and it'll be stopping for a few days soon anyhow...

$$$ END OF RP STUFF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Stephen- Fred Perry is an excellent artist, and Gold Digger is at the top of my pickup list every month. Its a shame there's only 5,000 copies printed every month, Perry's work deserves to have X-Men sized print numbers...

Hmm, study time, and my English test is tomarrow. Lets see, first study question... In essay format, describe Macbeth, his character, and what he did. Oooh! He was this immortal who was soul linked to Demona and... What do ya mean the Shakespeare Macbeth? I have to read that? Aw man...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 09:26:05 PM
IP: spider-ti012.proxy.aol.com

*****BEGIN RP*******
Sevarius Jr. is trying to calm down a slightly peeved off Kari.
"But I swear, I was going to call you! But then these Dark Jedi, and Zale, and the Borg, they all started attacking the Dark Star, then there were all these bad guys around and..."
"You men are all alike!"
****PAUSE RP******

Ugh. I've been dragging through finals for almost twelve hours. I'm gonna collapse in a few minutes.

Doug: There's going to be a South Park movie! YEAH! I'm first in line! BEEFCAKE! BEEEEEEEFCAKE!!!!

Jackal: Well put. Glad you don't harbor any hard feelings toward anybody (well.....everybody but one). As for apologizing to me....well, if I didn't want to join in on the discussion, I wouldn't have said what I said. So no apologizes are needed. As for your problems with the law....damn, why can't they just leave a hard workin' little jackal alone? ;)

TEMPEST /X-FILES: I thought the Tempest was pretty good, actually, at least as far as TV movies go. Not as good as Merlin or the Odyssey miniseries, but it was fun. Some good special fx too. I admit, the Civil War setting was a bit odd, but creative.
As for X-Files....let's just say I was a big X-Files fan BEFORE this season....God, they've screwed the series up. Is every freakin' episode a comedy now? Here's the formula: Nut Job Mulder believes in aliens. Good-looking-but-never-gets-a-date- Science chick Scully doesn't believe in aliens, tells Mulder so. Wacky (but very VIOLENT) adventures ensue. What is so friggin' hard about that? Less comedy, more of Mulder's paranoid schizophrenia and Scully disbelief.

Jon: We humans ARE bad! Why, we humans are some bad mutha.....SHAFT!

War Planets: I've caught this show a couple of times. I liked what I saw. The writing is pretty decent, and I like the effects (especially this past weekend's show. Them war planets are freakin' huge!).

***RESUME RP*****
(Warning: This post is kinda Star Wars Intensive. If you don't know jack about SW, you may be slightly confused}

SJ is still trying to calm down Kari.
"I swear, after we save the world, we'll go to dinner. Just you and me. Five star meal, I promise."
"I don't know...."
"And...I'll buy you something."
"Jewelry?"
"Well, we'll see."
"Jewelry?"
"Um....I guess...."

Suddenly, alarms begin to sound. "WARNING. WARNING. UNKNOWN VESSEL APPROACHING."

Everyone runs to one of the station's viewscreens.
"Get me a visual on that ship!" The Administrator orders. After a few seconds, the outline of the craft appears on the viewscreen, then comes into focus, revealing a very familiar vessel....
Wilek: "Oh crud. JUST what we needed."

The ship is Slave I.

"Unknown vessel has opened a comm channel, sir. It's hailing us." one of the technicians calls out.
"Patch it through," The Administrator says.
A familiar figure appears on the screen. A figure dressed in the battle-worn armor of a Mandalorian soldier. He leans forward in his seat. "Commander of the Dark Star," the being says in a hard, metallic voice. "We need to talk."

TO BE CONTINUED!!!!!
******END RP********
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 09:23:45 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

*creeps in*

Spike>I loved your story!!! I felt like crying at the end!!!! Dang your good at this gig!!!

Hi Lexy!!!!! :)

*creeps out*
Mary Flanders
Monday, December 14, 1998 08:41:03 PM
IP: ramp-1-43.ucdavis.edu

TODD re: X(files)MAS> That's hilarious. Click my name for something similar, but as a .WAV (zipped). Hehehehe....
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Monday, December 14, 1998 08:20:43 PM
IP: ppp033.connect.ab.ca

An odd little thought that I recently had, connected with Aris's earlier remarks about how he preferred not to imagine the Unseelie Court as "pure evil". In fact, in a way, Madoc Morfryn has actually (and without intending to) brought about some good in the world. After all, he was Merlin's father, and Merlin, in turn, brought about King Arthur's reign. So without Madoc, there would have been no Camelot, no Round Table, and one of humanity's most beloved legends, which has inspired countless generations with the dream of an age where justice and compassion rather than force ruled, would never have come to pass. I doubt that that's enough to affect his case at the Last Judgement, but it is worth remembering.

Of course, there is the question about whether Madoc would even be at the Last Judgement. I don't know what the case is for certain in the Gargoyles Universe, but many legends state that the fay have no souls or afterlife, that once they die, they simply cease to exist altogether. Maybe the lot of humans and gargoyles (which we do know, from the standpoint of the Gargoyles Universe, to have souls and some sort of survival after death, in view of the cases of the ColdTrio, the Captain of the Guard and Hakon, and Cuchulain/Rory Dugan) isn't so bad after all.


This isn't actually "Gargoyles" related, but is something so funny that I just had to post it here. I found it in a newsgroup, and think that it's a delight.


Subject: X-Files Christmas

57 Elm Street
Bethlehem, Pa.
11:51 p.m., December 24th.

"We're too late! It's already been here."

"Mulder, I hope you know what you're doing."

"Look, Scully, just like the other homes: Douglas fir,truncated,mounted
,transformed into a shrine; halls decked with boughs of holly; stockings
hung by the chimney, with care."

"You really think someone's been here?"

"Someone, or something."

"Mulder, over here--it's a fruitcake."

"Don't touch it! Those things can be lethal."

"It's O.K. There's a note attached: 'Gonna find out who's naughty and
nice.'"

"It's judging them, Scully. It's making a list."

"Who? What are you talking about?"

"Ancient mythology tells of an obese humanoid entity who could travel
at great speed in a craft powered by antlered servants. Once a year,
near the winter solstice, this creature is said to descend from the
heavens to reward its followers and punish disbelievers with jagged
chunks of anthracite."

"But that's legend, Mulder--a story told by parents to frighten
children.
Surely you don't believe it?"

"Something was here tonight, Scully. Check out the bite marks on this
gingerbread man. Whatever tore through this plate of cookies was
massive...
and in a hurry."

"It left crumbs everywhere. And look, Mulder, this milk glass has been
completely drained."

"It gorged itself, Scully. It fed without remorse."

"But why would they leave it milk and cookies?"

"Appeasement. Tonight is the Eve, and nothing can stop its wilding."

"But if this thing does exist, how did it get in? The doors and windows
were locked. There's no sign of forced entry."

"Unless I miss my guess, it came through the fireplace."

"Wait a minute, Mulder. If you're saying some huge creature landed on
the roof and came down this chimney, you're crazy. The flue is barely
six inches wide. Nothing could get down there."

"But what if it could alter its shape, move in all directions at once?"

"You mean, like a bowl full of jelly?"

"Exactly. Scully, I've never told anyone this, but when I was a child
my home was visited. I saw the creature. It had long white shanks of fur
surrounding its ruddy, misshapen head. Its bloated torso was red and
white. I'll never forget the horror. I turned away, and when I looked
back it had somehow taken on the facial features of my father."

"Impossible."

"I know what I saw. And that night it read my mind. It brought me a Mr.
Potato
Head, Scully. It knew that I wanted a Mr. Potato Head!"

"I'm sorry, Mulder, but you're asking me to disregard the laws of
physics. You want me to believe in some supernatural being who soars
across the skies and brings gifts to good little girls and boys.
Listen to what you're saying.Do you understand the repercussions? If
this gets out, they'll close the X-files."

"Scully, listen to me: It knows when you're sleeping. It knows when
you're awake."

"But we have no proof."

"Last year, on this exact date, SETI radio telescopes detected bogeys
in the airspace over twenty-seven states. The White House ordered a
Condition Red."

"But that was a meteor shower."

"Officially. Two days ago, eight prized Scandinavian reindeer vanished
from the National Zoo, in Washington, D.C. Nobody--not even the
zookeeper--was told about it. The government doesn't want people to know
about Project Kringle.
They fear that if this thing is proved to exist the public will stop
spending half its annual income in a holiday shopping frenzy. Retail
markets will collapse. Scully,they cannot let the world believe this
creature lives. There's too much at stake. They'll do whatever it
takes to insure another silent night."

"Mulder, I--"

"Sh-h-h. Do you hear what I hear?"

"On the roof. It sounds like ... a clatter."

"The truth is up there. Let's see what's the matter."

Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 14, 1998 08:09:47 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-80.primary.net

Well, I'm back.

Wilek> I'll gladly post the cards' stats, but actually making cards will take a little while. Hope ya don't mind. <:)

Doug & Kitania> I didn't get to editing last week's cards yet, I'll work on them mid-week. And thank you very much for creating them. :)

Ravyn> Glad ta see you back, and glad you had fun. :)

The new battles>

The Children of Oberon vs. the Shadows - The Shadows. As powerful as they are, as intelligent as they are, and as numerous as they are, they would overrun the Fair Folk and destroy them.

Darth Vader vs. King Arthur> Darth Vader. Arthur's sense of chivalry and honor has gotten in his way before, and Vader has little if any of these traits. While Excalibur is mighty, Vader's powers in the Force and the capabilities of the lightsaber will compensate.

Coyote 6.0 vs. Galvatron> Galvatron, easy. Coyote may have more weapons, but Galvatron is way larger, his weapon is more advanced, and the guy's a frigging lunatic!

Unicron vs. the Death Star> The Death Star. Unicron might do some damage, but that planet-destroying beam would take the Chaos-Bringer down in one stroke.

Madoc Morfryn vs. Lorien> I don't know enough about Lorien's capabilities.

Duncan MacLeod vs. MacBeth> MacBeth. If Methos would lose to MacBeth, as I think he would, Duncan stands little more chance.

Bill Clinton vs. Oberon> No comment.

Mr. Duval vs. the Cigarette-Smoking Man> If it's just them, one on one? Duval. He was once an Arthurian figure, so he likely has some skills in combat or sorcery that CSM could never equal. If it's their accumulated resources? Duval, again. The Illuminati has been around way longer, and likely has far more in the sheer size of their resources.

Bester vs. Palpatine> Palpatine, easy. Bester's psychic abilities don't even compare with the Emperor's powers in the Dark Side of the Force.

President Sheridan vs. Captain Jean-Luc Picard> Sheridan. I think he has been in many far rougher situtaions than Picard.

Saddam Hussein vs. Thailog> No comment.

Carnage vs. Goliath> Carnage. This is a tough one to call, but Carnage's insane tenacity and powers would eventually- after a long, bloody battle- defeat the gargoyle leader.

Homer Simpson vs. Vinnie> Homer Simpson. He's too dumb to know when to quit, and he'd love Mister Carter.

Owen vs. Mr. Mordern> Insufficient data.

Demona vs. Morgana la Fay> Demona. Morgana has the power, but other than that, she's got little else. Demona has slightly lesser power, but far more combat skill.

Loki vs. Puck> No comment.

Old Godzilla vs. new Godzilla> Old Godzilla, easy. The new Godzilla is a big lizard with tornado breath. The old Godzilla is a walking nuclear furnace, has fighting skills, and experience fighting other monsters.

Jackal vs. Hyena> No comment.

Deanna Troi vs. Lyta Alexander> Who's Lyta Alexander?

Bronx vs. Blue (from Invasion America)> I don't know who or what Blue is.

Jackal & Hyena vs. Simon and Sonia> Jackal and Hyena. S & S's psychic abilities are no match for a pair of psychotic cyborgs.

I saw the War Planets premiere. It was okay, but I liked Reboot and Beast Wars better.

The Tempest> I only saw the last half of it. *slight spoilers* Not bad, but I would have liked it to be set in its original atmosphere rather than the American Civil War, and with the original versions of the characters rather than adaptations. *spoilers end*

Jonathan> The universe entire will decay into iron in 10E1300 years?? Never heard that theory before...

Star Trek- Insurrection> I don't think I need to go into detail on this- suffice to say I liked it, probably my 4th favorite of the series so far. :)

And... guess that's all, for now.
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 07:04:58 PM
IP: 167-207-91.ipt.aol.com

** STAR TREK : INSURRECTION SPOLIER !!! **

I LOVED IT ! My dad and me saw it Sunday at the new threate we got on the North side of town and it was so cool !
It was funny , romantic , and alot of shoot-them-up action !
And why Riker and Deanna were acting so....silly because when they started to get close to that planet with the rings it started to take affect on the people of the Enterprise. And Riker and Deanna were once close. And it was so funny when Riker kissed him and Deanna said , "Yuck !"
" Yuck ? I kiss you and you say 'yuck' ?" - Riker.
" I never kissed you with a beard before." - Deanna
But it was funny with Worf going threw purperty(sp) again ^^
A pimple the size of a golf ball was on busted on the side of Worf's nose !
Sorry !
Last night 'True Q' and 'Rascals' was on . Loved both of them !

** END OF SPOILER **

Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 06:39:49 PM
IP: 202-42-64.ipt.aol.com

Okay, now that the phone is free...

**TGS SPOILERS BEGIN**

Okay, Christi got me so worked up over the prospect of another Griff and Brianna fic that I read it as soon as I found out it was posted--despite having company. Considering that said company spent an hour on my computer looking for Star Trek sounds, it was justified. :)

Having said that, my thoughts.

Good stuff: Plot-wise, the return of the thread started in "The Watching Eye" and Griff returning to Brianna. I found the premise of the Illuminati attempting to keep gargoyles in captivity to ensure their survival fairly interesting in light of methods used to preserve endangered species. Of course, when the species is sentient, is survival really that much more important than freedom? And I still have my doubts as to whether or not the Illuminati really seek to preserve the species. So that thread was, as always, well done.

Griff and Brianna: Everyone knows I've been whining for a Griff/Brianna ep almost as much as I was whining for Rory's return. So of course I loved the wedding at the end.

Aside from the obvious, I especially enjoyed the conflict between Griff and Michael. I'd been wondering if Griff had left anyone else behind besides Una and Leo, but I wasn't expecting them to be brothers. I tend to unconsciously skip past passages that deal mainly with non-canon characters (then realize that's important to the plot, kick myself, and go back), but I didn't do that here. The interaction between Michael and Griff was great, and Griff's line about Michael as the "thumb-sucking little butterball" had me laughing out loud after seeing Christi's pic of him. (At this point, Dave concluded that I had lost it and went downstairs to get a Coke.)

Bad points: None that I could think of. Heh.

**TGS SPOILERS END**

**MAJOR ST: INSURRECTION SPOILERS BEGIN--EXTRA SPACE**






Well, I finally saw it yesterday, and I think I have an idea why some people didn't like it (and what could have been done to fix it).

Bad points: The lighthearted subplots near the beginning were a little too much even for me. Riker's midlife crisis, for one, and Deanna was surprisingly encouraging. I expected her to at least push him away a bit in the beginning to get him to slow down, but no, she's shaving him in the bathtub?? Where did that come from? Not to mention that this is supposed to be after Dax's death, and there's NO MENTION of it even in passing. Worf's "puberty" stage was initially corny, especially the Day-Glo zit. Ouch.

Now the good points.

The Picard romance in this one...wasn't too bad. I was sort of afraid it was going to be a forced "throw Picard with someone attractive" fling, but it came off rather well. She didn't die, they didn't have an overly melodramatic parting, and Patrick Stewart and Donna Murphy developed a surprisingly nice chemistry.

Moral dilemma: It was okay, although I didn't buy that the Federation would condone the whole thing. Dougherty eventually came off as an idiot. Aside from him, the conflict brought up some good dramatic points, especially Geordi seeing a sunset for the first time. What a great scene. :)

The action scenes weren't up there with First Contact, but they weren't half bad. Having the inhabitants teleported off while they were running was a nice special effect, and you never really knew who would be grabbed next. I wasn't expecting Picard to be grabbed when he was. Riker's ploys to outmaneuver the Sona were entertaining ("Think they'll call this the Riker maneuver?"), although how they got back to the planet and why they apparently forgot about contacting Starfleet is beyond me. However, if they hadn't, there wouldn't have been that last scene on the injector (I'm not spoiling that!)

If they'd have dumped some of the nuttier jokes and concentrated a bit more on the dramatic elements and fight scenes, "Insurrection" would have been much better. I thought it was pretty good myself, considering the bad rep that the odd-numbered Trek films have.



**ST:INSURRECTION SPOILERS END!**

Since I have probably spoiled the flick for everyone, despite the amount of space I put in, please think about this before you flame me: I will be in pain tomorrow. The wisdom teeth are coming out, all four of them. So you don't have to do anything to make me suffer. :)

Wow, that was a long post. Since the phone is currently in demand, I must get off now. Until I'm coherent enough to return, everyone have a great break/week prior to break!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 04:40:48 PM
IP: p1-7.netgsi.com

Well, I made it. Barely. Don't expect many posts this week.

WILEK> The quote is from Peter David's "Q-Squared" novel, an excellent (if confusing) piece of work. And I loved that line.

JACKAL re: DUMB COPS> Oh, I so agree. You heard about my bike, right? (Click my name for the full rant).

That's all for now. I may not be back for a while (then again, I may be back tomorrow). You never know, and neither do I. Hehehe....

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Monday, December 14, 1998 02:29:11 PM
IP: edtnca01.telusplanet.net

*Caligo slinks into the comment room wearing a pink dress*

"CYRWAY! WHAT THE #&$# DID YOU DO TO WAGNER???"

***TGS SPOILERS***
I really like Caspian...hope he gets a pic in this CR when the new pics come in. Also found it interesting to have a brother for Griff. And I'm glad to see Brianna again...Griff seems like a bit of the traditional soldier/sailor type who'd off and leave the wife at home, but I'm hoping Brianna won't let herself be left behind in the future....

***HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS SPOILERS***

Spike: Lex's kid...that's Lex and Marina's kid, isn't it?

**end spoilers** **Frigg--end post**
Stormy
Monday, December 14, 1998 01:41:09 PM
IP: pc20.huron.uwo.ca

Good Morning all!!

Fay arrogance: Boy are they in for a shock. They AREN'T immortal - just very long lived. Freeman Dyson's theory of the progress of the universe says that by 10E1300 years ALL matter in the Universe will have decayed into IRON. should be kind of... Difficult for them. Okay they live long enough to consider themselves immortal (10E1300 years is a long time) but they're not.

Servarius Jr: Humans are the meanest, Hardest BADDEST critters in this corner of the Galaxy. The Fay just need a PAINFUL reminder of this.

Coyote: Inwo players are even thinner on the ground around here. I'm the only one I know!!!

Goodnight all!!!
Jonathan
NEW ZEALANDMonday, December 14, 1998 01:36:19 PM
IP: wh20-7.wave.co.nz

Christine> No prob; I've done MUCH dumber things before.

Robby> $Eh...there's kind of a continuity break between our RP's. Read my last one.$
Wilek Nereus
Monday, December 14, 1998 01:36:08 PM
IP: tnt-1-47-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Wilek > sorry, here's the "e" I owe you ... I swear, someday I will get through an entire issue of AvMists without misspelling someone's name ... Sorry!

Thanks, all, for the feedback! Makes all the hard work worth it!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 12:14:50 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

That last post was mine.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, December 14, 1998 10:48:07 AM
IP: novix02.brooklyn.cuny.edu

Todd - Don't worry about missing the Tempest. You didn't miss that much.

**SPOLIERS OF NBC'S VERSION OF THE TEMPEST**

It was set in civil war america. There were no Fay. All of Prosper's (I know it's Prospero, but in this version his name was Gideon Prosper) magic came from Voodoo that he learned from one of his slaves. Ariel wasn't a Fay, but the son of the slave who taught him magic. The Island that they lived on was in the middle of the swamp, and Caliban wasn't a deformed monster. Instead he was an inbred, redneck called Gator Man, because he was dressing in alligator skin and would wear an alligator head sometimes to scare people.

All in all it was ok but I would have prefered if they had stuck to a more shakespearian version of it. I would have loved to see the Tempest done the way the play is read, especially with the special effects that Merlin had. You were probably better off watching X-Files. Was it the episode with Ed Asner? I wanted to see that.

**END OF NBC TEMPEST SPOILERS**
Anonymous
Monday, December 14, 1998 10:46:57 AM
IP: novix02.brooklyn.cuny.edu

Doug & Kitania: Thanks for the positive reviews! ::Blinks!:: You rate my story along with Christi's?!? Ahh, I wouldn't say that. I mean, my writing has improved since I joined TGS (Tips his BWH to Pat Toman and Kathy Pogge), but if you don't mind my saying, I've got a LONG way to go before I'll ever consider myself of Christi's or even several other writers (Christine, Dylan, and a few others too numberous to name) caliber. Oh, BTW Doug... Katt wasn't riding on the battlements, she was _flying_ over them. :) She's going to be an interesting character to develop for future stories.

Roy: Speaking of anime, have you ever seen the art style of a one Fred Perry? I'd love to see his works animated!

Michelle: Plot??? In a Godzilla Movie??? You don't go to a Godzilla flick for plot! It's to see a gigantic lizard kick the crud out of several skyscrapers and smash some model tanks and jets! :))

I agree with you on Draco, they did a great job with him! and I used to think the Dragon in "Dragonslayer" was tops.

Personally, some of the best CGI for my money comes from PIXAR. But, then again, if I get a Playstation for Christmas I'll get FF7 and 8 when it comes out to see what Square has been doing.

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, December 14, 1998 10:24:02 AM
IP: m72.ieway.com

Lexy> Though liz seemed to disappear in late 1st season, she was back with a vengeance in early two, in 'Rising part 2' and 'Disobedience'. So far, they are just very good friends I think.

New Story> I've not yet read it. Anyway I will certainly not be able to review this week. Perhaps in the weekend, perhaps not.

Poll> The Children of Oberon VS The Shadows: THE SHADOWS if they are allowed to use their ships or their rest of the technology (or even sheer numbers). A single Shadow would lose though against a single Child of Oberon.
DARTH VADER VS King Arthur. A near match but Darth Vader rules.
Madoc Morfryn VS Lorien: Hmm... too little information but I'd say LORIEN.
Duncan Macleod VS MACBETH: Easily.
Bill Clinton VS Oberon: Bill Clinton could find loopholes around any command of Oberon but OBERON would get sick of him and blast him into oblivion.
Duval VS the Cigarrette Smoking Man "My secret organization can beat your secret organization any day!" DUVAL. Again easily, both personally and as organisations.
BESTER VS Emperor Palpatine. An almost even match. The Emperor is more powerful but Bester is more clever.
President Sheridan VS Captain Picard. Another near-even match. I'd vote for SHERIDAN, though, 3rd Season Sheridan in particular. (Yeah, that's not *President* Sheridan but still)
Saddam Hussein VS THAILOG. He would first offer an alliance but quickly discover how useless Saddam is and would kill him in a minute.
Homer Simpson VS VINNIE: Just because.
OWEN VS Mr. Morden. Again easily. Morden is clever but not nearly as much as Owen/Puck and pretty much useless without the Shadows.
DEMONA VS Morgana la Fay. She fights with greater determination and passion.
Loki VS PUCK. Loki sucks.
JACKAL VS Hyena. He taught her everything she knows. (Check Nancy Brown's story)
Deanna Troi VS LYTA ALEXANDER. What?! They are not even in the same category. Deanna would be fried in half a second.

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Monday, December 14, 1998 08:42:59 AM
IP: athe530-a022.otenet.gr

DOUG - Ah, yes. So the Marshes in the RP have no connection whatsoever to the Innsmouth Marshes.

THE TEMPEST - I missed that one. It was airing at the same time as "The X-Files", so I had to choose between them, and the fact that they had shifted "The Tempest" to the Civil War era and gotten rid of the Shakespearean dialogue was enough to encourage me to watch "The X-Files" instead (and the episode was a good one, too, so I don't regret my choice).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 14, 1998 07:05:21 AM
IP: pn9-ppp-217.primary.net

Whoops, they have twenty-one hostages, not twenty. Sorry if the last RP confused anyone. Mistake rectified, later!
Kitainia
Monday, December 14, 1998 04:08:57 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ptg-vty34.as.wcom.net

**RP BEGINS!!**

Doug and Kitainia's group are outside the Starbucks coffee shop with the police, facing the continuing hostage situation. Doug is explaining things to the cops along with Orion, Janice, and Fauline, and making sure neither he nor his team will be arrested for their part in the affair. Deputy Chief Robeson nods, agreeing to not censure any of the Ravens or their team members other than Jeeper and those who joined him in taking hostages and making demands. Governor Bush's making them all honorary special Texas Law Enforcement agents (after we saved Austin from the forces of Hell) helped, as well as the San Antonio citizens' gratitude for saving them from the evil circus and the Borg monsters. Cobra has by now been calmed down, but still looks a liitle angry. Kitainia is talking to him, telling him it's not his fault Jeeper and the others got in trouble and will all have to go to jail. The biker leader nods, accepting her wisdom. Kitainia smiles and turns to face the CR.

**PAUSE RP!**

$Whew, one part of this conflict is out of the way. Now if we can just resolve the hostage situation.$

**NEW EPISODE SPOILERS BEGIN**

I really enjoyed the latest epsiode. This is my favorite Pendragon ep in the season so far. Excellent development on Griff, Brianna, Micheal, and Caspian. I could really feel the emotions all four were going through all throughout the fic, and that made the story very moving. I especially liked seeing Griff and Micheal's reactions to them being brothers, and Brianna rescuing Griff from the Illuminati (and then he of course rescued her right back!). The pics were also some of Christi's best work (now I can visualize what Caspian, Roz, and Micheal look like!), and I also liked the music. No complaints about this one, Spike. You did an excellent job, this episode is truly a masterpiece. :)

**END THOSE SPOILERS, BEGIN ONES FOR ROBBY'S FICS**

Robby: I liked your stories, too. They were certainly worth the wait to see! Great job on developing Brooklyn, I was feeling his pain all throughout both tales. I also liked Clan Austrailia. Thanks for telling us the meaning of Xanatos's name, I'd been wondering about that. :)

**END THESE SPOILERS, BEGIN AVALON MISTS ONES**

I also enjoyed reading the new issue of Avalon Mists tonight, many good stories were therein. Stephen's and Christi's were the best ones. Christine's was good, too, but of course I'd read it before. All had good character development, humor, and plots. Wilek's story was also good, I liked how he made Santa a Halfling. The rest of the magazine was great as well, there was oh so much interesting and exciting material. Kudos to Tim, Christine, and everyone else who worked on it.

**ALL SPOILERS END**

Ravyn: Welcome back! Glad to see you again.

GXB: Well, Carnage is only really hurt by fire and intense sound waves. So if Goliath were to frequently roar throughout the fight, he could wear his enemy down. Blue and Bronx are evenly matched, so are the twins from IA and Gargs (unless we're talking about Ultra-Pack Jackal and Hyena, who could beat the telekinetic twins any day). All my other fight opinions are the majoritys already posted herein.

Ash and Brooklyn: Welcome to the CR.

Todd: Good character analysis of Oberon and the others. Thanks for sharing it. I completely agree with your asessment of things, as well as Doug's.

Wilek: Yep, that would happen and I'd be cheering Miriam on. <Evil Sneer.>

Jackal: Welcome back. I was kinda getting worried you had been scared off by DumlaoX's rant last week. Thanks for sharing your pain with us, venting it out surely helps you cope. Sounds like you've been having pretty intense experiences, and you're doing the best possible job anyone can of getting through them. Good luck in continuing to do so.

Your apology to us is accepted, even though it was unnecessary. Don't worry, you can keep talking about whatever you want in here, just as long as you follow the rules. About my offer to help you with your pain, yeah, of course I can handle dealing with it. After all, I share most of my life with Doug (whom you know), Jammer (a Xander-esque party animal and law student), Stephanie (chronic self-absorbed optimist), Shauna (major b*&%h but good friend), Shap (tolerant born-again Christian), Gubio (the world's most scrupulous computer geek), Tricia (caring friendly person who can never accept blame for her own mistakes), Elena (nice but bad-tempered), Boris (Owen Burnett type), and Keith (cynical worry-wart with lots of diverse talents). If I can deal with them on a daily basis, surely I can easily handle you. We apologize for making the comments about your kids and will stop them, reading your last post we now know you are truly doing the best possible job that circumstances allow. <grin>

RP Recess: Alright, it seems almost everyone involved will be away for the holidays, the 19th to the 28th is the average duration. Let's put the RP on hold between those times, okay? That means Doug and I will make our last posts (before the break) on Saturday the 19th, and return on the 28th, resuming the RP and comments. All other RP should be suspended for that time so that we can all enjoy the holidays. Sound good to everyone else?

Okay, that's all for tonight. Bye!

**RP AGAIN**

Kitainia walks up to Doug and asks, "Any ideas for how we should resolve this?" Doug turns to Lathrop. "Can you cast a sleep spell over the people in there so we can arrest the criminal bikers and free the hostages?" "They might resist it," Lathrop sighs. "Plus one of them is a powerful wiccan magic-user in her own right. It's too risky to try." "Alright," Doug sighs. "How many hostages do they have again?" "Twenty," says DC Robeson. "And we don't want to lose a single one. That's why I haven't sent in the SWAT boys or tear gas. Unfortunately, they aren't responding to our negotiation attempts." "Jeeper's completely out of his mind with anger and paranoia," sighs Fauline. "And he's already convinced all the others to follow him with his devious ability to play on their emotions and fears. Anne probably helped, she's as wacko as him and they are together. But what do we do?" "We got a schematic and IR scan of the building?" asks Doug. "Yes," says the DC, handing him a sheet of paper. "There's only one guard on the back entrance, SWAT will go in that way if we have to use them." "We're your SWAT," Doug says, calling over Cobra, Tommy, and all the Ravens. "We have to resolve this situation now before it gets any more out of hand. You have my word, we will not harm any hostages and do our best to stop the bad guys from doing so." Robeson nods, seeing this is the only plan available. Doug tells Gubio and Methos to stay outside with Coyote's team, Ravyn, and Traveler, stand ready to back them up. They nod agreement. The rest of the Ravens and all three good bikers head around behind the shop as the screen goes blank. To be continued!

**END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 04:07:32 AM
IP: hil-qbu-ptg-vty34.as.wcom.net

**** SINCE JACKAL DIRECTLY MENTIONED ME, I RESPOND AND HOPE I WON'T GET BANNED FOR IT ****

As I said in my last week's post I have no intention to continue this flame war, and I *certainly* have no intention of continuing it here. I sent you a *polite* email (not a flame) explaining you the reasons I got mad with you and why I wrote the stuff I said last week, *and* stating quite clearly that I don't want you to consider it a continuation of the flame war. If people don't believe me, and if they want to, I can post it here as well. But I will do it only if more than 5 people ask it.

Right now, I'm writing this from college so I don't know how you replied to me in email. But be assured that no matter how you replied to me I will never talk to you or about you in this comment room ever again. And if the email is in the same (or a worse) tone of voice as your post, I won't bother to reply to it, either.

And yeah, I understand you may have outside reasons for getting angry, but please understand that other people may have reasons as well. This discussion is now over.

*** FINAL END OF THE FLAME WAR ****
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Monday, December 14, 1998 03:16:18 AM
IP: pc-15.di.uoa.gr

****WARNING: POSTS BY JACKAL SHOULD NOT BE READ BY ANYONE! IF IT'S OFFENSIVE, IT'S IN HERE.****

I'm gonna say this.., then go on to address the recent..., "development". Everyone gather around like I'm the President, now....
Good evening. This weekend has not been a good one for me, I haven't even looked at my computer until just a few hours ago, when I read several disturbing posts and ONE EMAIL! ::ahem:: Upon reading these, I got my panties in a wad, signed off my computer, and went ballistic. I went outside yelling, screaming, cussing, and things of that nature, eventually my neighbors call the law on me, (I was out there a while) at the time I was home ALONE! So, the pigs show up and say their gonna arrest me for being "disorderly"...., But wait a minute! Let me tell you what happened Friday night..., someone trys to break in my home, I scare 'em off by acting like a mad man, and call the police. When they got here, they dared to tell me they saw "no signs of forced entry". HELLO?!! My window is broken! I said, "What are you sayin, you callin me a lair? You think I broke my window because I wanted a breeze?!!" The dude said something like, "No sir, I'm not calling you a lair, I just don't see any signs of someone trying to break into your house." I swear to God (if he's really there), ain't no human that stupid on this planet! I was like "fine whatever, go away." That night I sent my kids to grandma's..., Saturday, (even though the doctors say it will make my heart worse) I got high (it was just weed), with my loving "wife". We go outside to walk around the block, (after smokin out the bathroom), a police car rides by us, we start geekin "Oww, he's gonna get us!" Ya know, trying to freak each other out. He rides by again...., and again..., and yet again, everytime staring us down. Eventually he stops, approaches us, hand on gun, and says, "Have you two been drinkin today?" Like an idiot I smile and say no. The cop steps up to me, smells me, and I swear..., he says, "I smell beer." I look at my "wife" and we just die laughing, neither of us had a drop of alcohol! The dude gives us the "drunk test". In which by some small miracle we pass, (I enjoyed the nose touching thing, that was soo cool), then the dude lets us go. I swear cops are stupid..., thank God! Anyway, back to today..., several things have happened other than with the pigs, and I was very upset. I get on my computer and one of the first few things greeting me, is Aris's beautifully ignorant email, and a few posts in here..., My timebomb hit ZERO. So I go totally ballistic and my neighbors call the cops, they get here and say they're gonna arrest me for being "disorderly". I said, "No the hell you ain't! Your gonna arrest ME on MY porch, but you can't catch the motherf***er that tried to break into my home Friday night?!!" (It was the same pig from Friday) He said, "You're being loud and disorderly and the neighbors are worried." I was like- "Yeah but I'm being loud and disorderly on MY porch, I'm not posing a threat to anyone!" Anyway, we "discuss" the matter and my "wife" pulls up in the car. I swear she says, "What now?" Hehehe, I thought that was funny. The pig tells her that she needs to clam me down if she didn't want me going to jail, she said "Fine. I'll handle it." Pushes me inside and slams the door (common sense tells me the police officer left), So, I get fussed at for bringing the law out to the house again, bla, bla, bla, and other things I wish would go away, but..., now that everyone's asleep..., I'll address these recent "developments".

I understand that I am (was) a keyfigure to jeopardizing the whole CR..., In a statement made by me last Wednesday, I brought up something vulgar and inappropriate. For this I apologize and am profoundly sorry. I crossed the line..., it was wrong. I jeopardized the CR, not only for me, but for my gargoylic family. I would like to give personal apologies to Deuce, Doug, Kitainia, Sevarius Jr., Coyote the Bando, and Wilek. If it weren't for my inapproariate question, you would not have been "culprits" in this...
However, I offer no apologies to Aris. Aris crossed the line with me when he referred to me as "dammit" (Early Friday morning). So Aris, after I reply to your email, if you wish to continue this, let's do it outside the CR. In here, keep your mouth shut about me and I'll keep my mouth shut about you, fair enuf?

Other things I'd like to bring up-
<<Everything was fine until the question of which garg you would have SEX with came up and opinions posted. Did he cross the line with that topic? YES!!!>>
DumlaoX, I am in no way trying to be offensive to you, I just have a question, please don't ban me, I'm just curious..., OK, I was one of the first ten people to come to the CR when it opened..., as I remember, Firestorm and I had a question about Meryt from TD. That was the first time sex was brought up (of course it had to be done us two), and also, as I remember, you answered the question and showed no offense to the sexual content that was mentioned. Another thing is, during to summer everybody had a big ol long discussion about gargoyle sex and interspecies sex, as I remember hardly no one showed offense..., What my question is, what are these rules and when were they posted?
<<Flame war: Is it over now?>>
In here?? Yeah.
<<Jackal: those last comments one of us made about your kids were in no way intended to be a joke>>
What?! Expected me not to mention this? All the same, I took and still take it as a joke. I know, despite my many immaturities, that am I the best father I can be to my kids. I know alot of people don't think that's much, but how many fathers are there for their kids at my age? I would die with a smile on my face for both of them. My little boy has seen his mother literally try to kill me, (the main reason she's sittin in a TX prison today). I get the joy of hearin, "Daddy, where's my mommy?" And I just can't wait for the day he rebels against my "suga-lump"..., "You're not my real mommy!" I'm 22 and the child is 5 now. He has been my best friend more than my son in that time, because there was a time that he was all that kept me alive. Now, my nine month old daughter, I think we should take her back and get a new one, because she's had the pleasure of inheriting my temper, ohhh joy. But, for someone to say they're worried about my kids IS funny because my boy COULD BE living with his mother in prison and my daughter is gonna have a hell of a time with her temper..., hehehheee worry on, I do!
<<we will never discuss you-know-what in here again, and we will blow the rule whistle for anyone else who does. (Hear that, Jackal?)>>
Yeah, but I will be discussing sex again, that's a "given". I just have to do that spoiler thing now...
<<I not only enjoy the topics and discussing things with you, it'll be good practice for when I'm a counselor-psychologist and have to deal with people like you for work>>
*L* All right! you said it! But can you handle it?! heheheheeee
<<I've been to some chat/comment rooms where such tolerance is not the norm>>
I know, I've been banned from a couple, and I'm greatful I haven't suffered the same fate in here.
<<I don't profess to be a Jackal expert..>>
They're called "Jackperts". Heheheee Anyway, thank you, SJ. Even though you almost made me cry!!!! (I'm very sensitive right now..., ya know, almost gettin arrested on my porch and all!)

Oh, look! Someone named Brooklyn came in here, just to let you know, I wasn't talking about you when I said THAT, if you were lurking when I posted that..., anyway I was talking about Brooklyn- Brooklyn..., ya know Brooklyn. <--Is that totally confusing? Sad thing is, it makes sense to me....

****END OF JACKAL'S OFFENSIVE POST- YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE READ THIS****
"Society has traditionally, always tried to find scapegoats for it's problems. Well, here I am" -MM & me
"The Disassociative"- Jackal - [Jackal1127@hotmail.com]
Ga, Usa
Monday, December 14, 1998 02:40:36 AM
IP: spider-wg072.proxy.aol.com

What happened to LIZ! It looked like her and Lex had something going and then all of a sudden...nothing...
Lexy - [Lexy@lexhnet.net.com]
West Bend, WI, U.S.A
Monday, December 14, 1998 02:03:36 AM
IP: d097.hnet.net

Just experimenting with colors, trying to find one I like that hasn't already been taken...

Hahaha! I'm second this week! No, wait... I'm not... In fact, I'm not even close to the top ten. Why not? Oh yeah, I was at a party...

To those who don't know, Galvetron and Unicron are Transformers characters, from the original series. Well actually, Unicron was a giant planet sized transformer from the movie...

So, who else saw the War Planets two parter?

SJ-$Ooops, you never said it was Darth, just a dark Jedi... Ah well... You and Kari try to get along, you hear?$
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 01:27:55 AM
IP: spider-wa043.proxy.aol.com

23-24 DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON 2!!!

Yeah, I'm in Avalon Mists! Well people, hope your happy now... Its gonna be a while before the next story CAN go up anywhere...

Green Baron- I've never actually heard of a town called Tuna, but I have seen all three shows...

Durid- Semi-plausible theory.

Mystique- I'm counting down TimeDancer every day. There's about three and a half weeks left, and then the new season starts, and it will go until after Independance day. Be patient, its a virtue...

Doug- Actually, both Thanatos AND Xanatos mean death, I researched the name Thanatos at one point, and came across Xanatos, BEFORE GARGOYLES EVER STARTED. So the first time I saw Xanatos, I personally went, "Woah, his name is death?"

Wilek- I seem to recall Q doing that Dashund and Gazeebo thing to Beverly Crusher in one of the TNG episodes... Am I right? A gazillion cyber-cookies... Hmm...

SJ- My RP for the week pertains to you and your situation, so read it!

***THIS WEEKS STORY SPOILERS***

It was a good one, (What else are we to expect from Spike?) and the story we've all been looking forward to for some time. How can we compliment on anything we haven't given high marks a dozen times already? Ah well, very good...

Does this mean Brianna is going to become a regular in the Pendragon cast? If so, that may make the series quite a bit more fun...

***END THIS WEEKS SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS FOR ROBBY'S FIC, SOUL OF STONE***
Hmm, I liked it. Can't wait to see the next one go online. So Robby, when are you going to pull out the christmas story with Vincent's return the best Christmas present there ever was?
***END SPOILERS FOR ROBBY'S FIC, SOUL OF STONE***

Robby- Hush! You're giving away future plot points! Shad-up!

Ah well, I'm leaving now...

***RP FOR THE WEEK, DIRECTED TOWARDS SJ***
Frankie is missing his arm, and SJ is being strangled by Darth Vader. Things look bleak, until a gunshot goes out, and Darth staggers back a bit. The deathgrip on SJ is loosened somewhat, and SJ falls to the floor. He looks to see who just shot Darth.
"Kari?"
"Hello." she says in a friendly way. And then, with a frown, "Where have you been? You haven't called me ONCE since the party."
"Um... Saving the world???"

***END RP FOR THE WEEK***
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, December 14, 1998 01:14:27 AM
IP: spider-wa043.proxy.aol.com

**VERY LONG RP!**

[At the Dark Star, Wilek, Miriam, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, Raoul, SJ, Frankie, Dark Mage Wilek, and the two vampire eagles are scouting the halls. They haven't seen any enemy troops in hours--until a Dark Jedi injures Frankie and begins choking SJ! Anoth telepathically invades the Dark Jedi's mind...and the Jedi releases his telekinetic chokehold, then runs out an airlock, throwing himself into the vacuum of space. SJ: "<gasp> Thanks! Frankie, are you OK?" Frankie: "Do I *look* OK?" SJ: "Let me help you with that." SJ begins helping Frankie sew his arm back on. Miriam: "Administrator, we need a report on how many enemy troops are left." Admin. <on communicator>: "All threat forces are either dead or captured. Live prisoners are currently being interrogated. Apparently the Dark Jedi who just committed suicide was the last active enemy agent." Wilek: "Finally! We can get started on repairs to the Dark Star's shields and weaponry now. I was getting worried about whether the place would survive the fight with the Imperial fleet; we've had a few close calls." Teri: "Yeah. This place is cool, but I'll be glad to be back on Earth." Dark Mage Wilek: "Indeed. I get more and more nervous every moment this Zale idiot lives. I'll be glad to be rid of him." Wilek: "Same here. Well, we'd better get to work on fixing the station." Miriam: "Perhaps if our new Borg were to partially assimilate the station, they could apply their special brand of repair work to it. Things would go much more quickly and the station's weapons and shields would be even more powerful than before." W: "Hey...good idea. Tell the Administrator to get on it." Miriam: "One last thing...Mr. Elder, I presume you're listening in on the CR's comms channel. Once the Dark Star is repaired, feel free to request any support or equipment you feel you may need." Miriam then contacts the Administrator.]

**PAUSE VERY LONG RP AND BEGIN NEW TGS EP SPOILERS**

Oh look, a new Pendragon ep. Is it me or is the Caledonian clan not real hip to modern technology? In fact, they seem almost as primitive as Goliath's clan was, way back in 994. Hm. This Inner Circle sounds like an interesting bunch of villains--they think they're helping gargs, but they also seem to consider us little more than animals. Yeesh. There's nothing worse than fanatics who actually have kind of a point--they're right (to a certain extent) about the threats to gargoyle survival, and I'm glad they're trying to protect us, but they're *really* going about it the wrong way. There's talk of strange weather near the end...anyone want to bet the Unseelie have something to do with it? Well, I don't really have much to say about this one. I quite honestly prefer the Unseelie eps, but this one wasn't bad either.

**END SPOILERS**

Christine> Wow, my AvMists submission was accepted...(BTW, you kind of spelled my name wrong. ^_^ Oh well, to err is human. Or gargoyle or Fey or whatever...)

Kitainia> $I was kind of kidding about my card stats. :) $ About the second Austin Powers movie...I really hope they bring back the German woman. She was my favorite character in that entire thing. (You know, throughout the movie, I often imagined what Miriam would do if she were assigned as Austin's partner, instead of that other British woman. I see Austin with a throwing knife in his eye socket within five minutes of their first meeting.)

Green Baron> $Eh...the Scouts watch South Park? Now THAT was unexpected... :P $

Doug> $Very kewl Raoul card.$ Ecch, there's a South Park movie?! ACK!

Fights>
The Children of Oberon VS The Shadows
Seems to me it would be a draw.

Darth Vader VS King Arthur
SJ said it a lot better than I ever could.

Coyote 6.0 VS Galvatron
Don't know C6.0's capabilities.

Unicron VS the Death Star
Don't know Unicron's capabilities.

Madoc Morfryn VS Lorien
Ack...I don't know, but I'd pay to see it.

Duncan Macleod VS Macbeth
Macbeth, for the same reasons as the Methos fight.

Bill Clinton VS Oberon
Oberon would turn Bill into a dachsund or a nice gazebo or something. (A gazillion cybercookies to whoever recognizes that reference.)

Duval VS the Cigarette Smoking Man
I have reason to believe that Duval is CSM's boss.

Bester VS Emperor Palpatine
Palpatine. Bester may be a powerful telepath, but can he shoot lightning out his nose or whatever? No.

President Sheridan VS Captain Picard
Really, do you think they'd ever get into a fight in the first place?

Saddam Hussein VS Thailog
Thailog would slash Hussein to bloody ribbons.

Carnage VS Goliath
Hm...it would be an interesting match, and I'm not sure who would win.

Homer Simpson VS Vinnie
As soon as Vinnie shot Homer with Mr. Carter, Homer would start eating the pie he was hit with. He'd ask Vinnie to give him the rest of the pies, and they'd be lifelong friends.

Owen VS Mr. Morden
Well...probably Morden, since he has the Shadows behind him. If Owen is allowed to turn into Puck, however, all bets are off.

Demona VS Morgana la Fay
Draw. Demona's much less powerful, but can't be killed except by Macbeth.

Loki VS Puck
Probable draw.

Old Godzilla VS New Godzilla
New Godzilla. From the looks of things, OG doesn't work out all that much.

Jackal VS Hyena
Draw.

Deanna Troi VS Lyta Alexander
See Sheridan vs. Picard.

Bronx VS Blue (from Invasion America)
Who's Blue?

Jackal and Hyena VS Simon and Sonia (From Invasion America) Who are Simon and Sonia?

Brain vs Garlon
Garlon's a dark elf. Brain's a mere mortal mouse. Unless his human suit has a lot of iron armor and weaponry, it's a sure win for Garlon.

Everyone who has tests of whatever variety> The best of luck to you. I thank whatever great power controls the winds of fate that I don't have to worry about such foolishness.

All newcomers> Welcome! Soon you'll be just as charismatically psychotic as the rest of us! >:)

Ravyn, Greg Bishansky, Demona May, and whoever else has been away for a while> Welcome back!

SJ> <<I think there was always something more going on betwixt the two of them than could EVER be shown on Disney TV>> Quite honestly, I think Hyena only really had eyes for Coyote. As for gargs' attitude toward humans...speaking for myself, I don't mind you at all. :)

BTW, there's a new rule about RP entries that some of you probably haven't read yet: You have to leave a space between the warnings and the RP itself. Like this:

**RESUME VERY LONG RP!**

[Meanwhile, in Thailog's secret base, Guod, Jerec, and Zale are having a difference of opinion...Zale: "If you hadn't insisted on letting your blasted cyborgs participate in the raid, the Dark Star would be ours by now!" Guod: "How was I to know they had a former Borg Queen on their side? You know how little information we have on that organization. They could be running the world for all we know." Jerec: "What I want to know is, however did they gain the use of Imperial technology? Have any of you seen their fleet? They have five Eclipse-class star destroyers, ten Executor-class, and the Force only knows what else. And their fighter support is incredible; they have craft which were formerly Imperial black-hole projects! My fleet can barely hold its ground." Zale: "Which brings me to the point of those Dark Jedi of yours. I don't trust them at all." J: "They're the best resource we have." Z: "Are they? Just before Guod's miserable bunch of tin cans turned on him, we recieved telemetry which suggested that the DS's scientists have machinery which can recreate the energy produced by a species of animal called ysalamiri. Heard of them?" J: "No, actually." Guod: "I have. They produce a field within which the Force cannot exist. It's not much of a concern to the Borg, but Jedi have a real problem with it." Z: "Well said. They have anti-Force generators like this in some of the cells of their brig. Your Dark Jedi are rotting powerless in some cages somewhere." J: "I have other resources." Jerec stalks out of the room and boards his shuttle, intending to return to his Super Star Destroyer.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the secret base, a messenger from Thailog gives SJ's dad an envelope. He opens it...inside is a card reading "Resurrect Three" and instructions for its use...] I promise, I'll try never to make them this long again.

**END VERY LONG RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, December 13, 1998 11:14:36 PM
IP: tnt-3-71-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

***RP BEGINS****
Sevarius Jr. is fighting Zale's troops alongside Frankie.
All of a sudden, one of the Dark Jedi makes his way up to Frank and slices his left arm off at the shoulder with his lightsaber.
<OH GREAT! That was my favorite arm!>
***PAUSE RP***

Oh Geez.

I mean, hey, clearing the room a little early, huh? Man, how am I supposed to be numba 1 if ya reload so early?? Oh well, I guess I'm like, number 32nd or something.

THE TEMPEST: For you folks on the west coast, NBC's showing "The Tempest" tonight at 9pm on NBC. It's got Peter Fonda and John Glover....but it's not exact. It's set during the Civil War, and Prospero's usin' Voodoo magic this time. Still, it looks pretty good.

WRASSLIN!!: I did the online wrasslin' thing once. Got a little too involved though. Started talking like them nonstop. Yeah, Bruther! NWO 4 Life!!!!! Cause I'm just 2 Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

THE FAE: Todd, good explanation on why the fae are arrogant.
Personally, I think they're just pompous asses.
And they don't like us humans. The Gargoyles ain't too fond of us either (admit it--they ain't). Geez, does ANYBODY in the universe like us? Yes, we can be a little....evil at times, but hey, I'm gettin' pretty tired of all these schmucks wanting to kick our human hineys....

DEATHMATCH ROUND #3 SPOILERS!!!

1. Children of Oberon vs. Shadows: As powerful as the fae are, if we're to believe JMS, the Shadows are essentially the ultimate evil. Sorry, my little fae friends, but I don't think even you can win this one.

2. Darth Vader vs. Arthur:
Arthur: "Ho, good sir. Art thou the Black Knight?"
**Hum of lightsaber being turned on. Whoosh of air as it is swung.**
Vader: "Ho, good sir. Is that your head by my boot?"
Sorry, Artie.

3. Unicron vs. Death Star. Hmm, this one is real tough. Unicron is a sentient droid the size of a planet. The Death star is a battle moon (or War planet, which is a pretty good show). In the end, the Death Star upsets with a sucker punch. After all, it's only weakness is just the size of a wamp rat ;)

4.Madoc vs. Lorien. Hmm....Lorien is, according to JMS, the First One. As in, the First being. EVER. I think he's got the experience (and power) to win this one. But he's a good guy, he probably wouldn't fight Madoc anyway.

5.Duncan vs. Macbeth. Same as Methos. If Mac (Beth, not Leod) find's Duncan's sweet spot, he's done for.

6.Clinton vs. Oberon. Oberon. Unless it was Oberon vs. Clinton's spin doctors, in which case Oberon wouldn't stand a chance.

7.Bester vs. Palpatine. The Emperor kicked Vader's ass. Some crummy telepath wouldn't stand a chance.

8.Sheridan vs. Picard: Hmm...Sheridan is practically the equivalent of Christ in the Babylon 5 universe....but c'mon, Picard would dropkick his ass out an airlock in 10 seconds.

9.Carnage vs. Goliath: Whoa, this one's tough. In their first battle, Carnie gets the win. If Goliath's still breathin', he'd learn enough to beat him second time around.

10.Homer Simpson vs. Vinnie. Please, Homer makes Vinnie look like a Rhodes Scholar.

11.Owen vs. Mr. Morden. Owen--unless Morden's got his Shadow buddies around. In that case, Owen's toast.

12.Old Godzilla vs. New Godzilla: Matthew Broderick beat the new Godzilla. MATTHEW Freakin' BRODERICK. Hell, if he can beat him, even Godzookie could.

13.Jackal vs. Hyena: This would start off as a really intense battle then....degrade into.....kissing and.....well, ever read Fire Storm's Bubba fics? Let's just say, I think there was always something more going on betwixt the two of them than could EVER be shown on Disney TV (ah, if only Greg had my dirty mind! ;-] ).

**RESUME RP***
While Frankie's busy trying to sew his arm back on, SJ confronts the Dark Jedi.
"Stay back! I swear, I know kung fu! Jujitsu! I'll bust a cap in yo ass!"
The Dark Jedi merely makes a motion with his hand, and SJ feels his throat begin to close. He can't breathe.
"I.....think.....I'm......screwed....." he gasps.
To be continued.....
****END RP*****
Sevarius Jr.
Sunday, December 13, 1998 10:22:29 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

I'm going to repost my shameless plug since the room reset.

We need new PAIN (the game of Damage) fighters! PAIN is an on-line game which is a cross between WWF & Mortal Combat. Joining is free, playing is free, etc. Live event happen at the web site about once a month. There are also posted events, etc.

How to join?!?! Easy just send me the following:

Name of Fighter:
Face or Heel:
Special Move:
Special Weapon:
Bio:
Type of Fighter: (ex. Brawler, high flyer, cheater)

I'll send you all the info if interested.

Doug> Face as in The fans like him/her, Heel as in the fans want to kill him/her

Sorry this will be my last shameless plug

dojinick - [dojinick@yahoo.com]
MD
Sunday, December 13, 1998 10:02:50 PM
IP: 207-172-191-19.s19.as14.anp.erols.com

**RP!!!**

The screen lights up with a graveyard outside San Antonio. The Masked Lich is standing in its center, with his goons (the aforementioned old enemies and Borg troopers) behind. He is reading from a strange and ancient book with gray covers and a demonic face on the front. "By the power of the Necromonicon, I call forth the souls of the damned!!" he intones. All around the graveyard, hands start to burst out of the ground, followed by the corpses they belong to. Ghastly maniacal laughter echoes through the night.

The screen switches to outside the Marsh Building, where Jeeper and the bikers with him (all but Cobra, Tommy, and Fauline) have taken over a Starbucks coffee shop and are holding twelve people in there hostage along with the nine Marsh employees. The San Antonio PD have surrounded the place, and are trying to negotiate. So far, there has been little success, and Jeeper's demands are getting nuttier. He wants ninety million dollars, he wants the Illuminati to reveal its existence to the public, and he wants a free ride to Belize for himself and all those who joined with him. Orion and Fauline, both looking very upset, are approaching the deputy chief in charge of the situation. Janice Ripowski is just behind, making notes on her pad.

Meanwhile, inside the Marsh Building's computer room, Doug and his team have taken out five security guards and are in a heated battle with several more. Gubio has just finished copying the diary file onto his computer and is now frantically trying to disconnect it from the main system. Doug blasts a security guard taking aim at them from the doorway and then, seeing that no more are attacking, runs out of the room with everyone else in his party just behind. Gubio brings up the rear, clutching his laptop. As they dash down the building's hall and onto the elevator, Doug turns to face the CR.

**PAUSE RP!!**

$ Hey everybody! We're in a bit of a pickle here, having to escape the building so fast. Glad some of you outside are helping in the best ways that you can.$

***BEGIN NEW EPISODE SPOILERS***

I liked the new TGS ep a lot. Griff and Brianna were very well-developed in here. So were Micheal, Brock, and especially Caspian. He's got to be my favorite member of the London Clan. Micheal comes in second, his development in this story was very touching and emotional, especially what happened to his mate. I also liked the ep's plot, and what was done with the Illuminati. The music and the pictures were great, too. Major kudos to Christi for all her good work!

I'm also glad another of my predictions for this season panned out. Namely, Madoc's screwing up the world's weather with things like the ozone hole and global warming. That is going to be a very interesting thing to see further developed, particularly if the world's environmentalists should discover and react to his doing it. It may be a very controversial idea, but I nontheless applaud it. <grin>

***END EPISODE SPOILERS, BEGIN SPOILERS FOR ROBBY'S FICS!***

Robby: Good job on the two stories you put in AvMists. I enjoyed them both, especially the emotional turmoil you put Brooklyn through. I also liked your Clan Austrailia and what you did with Xanatos and Dingo. Just one little nitpick- Xanatos does not mean death. The Greek word for death is Thanatos (as in Thanator, the one-shot villain in one of my fics). Other than that, your stories were just great. Thank you for the entertainment.

***END SPOILERS FOR ROBBY'S FICS, BEGIN SPOILERS FOR STEPHEN R. SOBOTKA'S!***

Stephen RS: I enjoyed your new story a lot, too. Good job on developing Jessica and Elisa. I also like KATT a lot better than Fairlane (but I like your car too, Coyote), she's a lot more developed personality-wise. That last scene with her driving around on Wyvern's battlements had me ROFLMAO. I wonder how Matt will react to his and Elisa's new partner. <grin>

***END SPOILERS FOR STEPHEN'S FICS, BEGIN AVMISTS SPOILERS!

Christine: Good job on the new issue. I liked the tribute to Elisa's birthday and all the Christmas stories. The profiles of Aiden and Birdie were also long awaited and very informative. So major kudos go out to you on the new issue. :)

***ALL SPOILERS ENDED NOW***

DumlaoX: Glad you approved the rule. Thanks for posting the new ep so early, I enjoyed reading it.

DojiNick: Thanks for the right e-mail address. I'll send you my character again tomorrow. Also thanks for the Heel or Face explanation. (BTW, is it good or bad in terms of morals or fighting skill?)

Ravyn: Big welcome back to you! Glad your team did so well. So you'll be away for Xmas too, huh? I better discuss with Kitainia how long an RP break we're going to have.

GXB: Thanks for all the new fights, I'm not sure who would win the later ones (I agree with Entity about the ones you posted in the last CR). Good to see you here, you so rarely come. <grin>

Todd: Thanks for your comments on the fays' attitudes. That sounds just like what I was thinking was wrong with Oberon and all those like him. I think part of the problem with Oberon and the Unseelie's stuck-up attitude is that they will never see themselves as anything but above the rest of the people. Fay like Titania, Prometheus, and Puck, who allowed themselves to experience things from a human standpoint, both physically and mentally, thus learned to better understand and get along with us.

$ Also, Roger Marsh has nothing to do with fish. He's a prominent Shinra-esque businessman working with the enemy in our RP. $

That's all for now.

**RP AGAIN!**

The team's elevator reaches the building's lobby and they find a bunch more guards waiting for them. The Ravens shoot their way through and manage to get out of the building just in time to see Coyote's tank fire its shell up in the air. It hits a company helicopter full of guards that was coming down to intercept them and destroys it. "Let's get out of here," Doug says to Coyote. "Jammer told me we have other problems to deal with." "What other problems?" "Haven't you been listening to the radio?" Kitainia asks. "Jeeper and the bikers are demanding ransom for our hostages and causing a huge media blitz! We need to stop them now!" "Oh," Coyote grimaces, calling Jojo back to the tank. "That does sound like a problem." Just then Shauna shows up on Kitainia's motorbike and waves to them all to follow her. The group all piles into and on the sides of Coyote's tank and roll after the archer, towards the Starbucks coffee shop.

Meanwhile, at Thailog's secret base, Roger Marsh has just heard of the events at his San Antonio office building from a loyal employee. "Curse those Ravens," he says, slamming the phone down. "Mess with me, will they? First they destroy my building in Austin, now they kidnap my employees and cause a dreadful row in San Antone. They must not be allowed to threaten the plan any longer. It's time to call in my deadliest weapon- the lawyers." He picks up the phone and dials his law firm (Bakkur and Hotsettler) as the screen fades out. To be continued.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 09:04:32 PM
IP: hil-c45-022-vty70.as.wcom.net

AARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! I missed the top ten!!! *grins evily* Oh well the good news, at the very least, is that I have enough new reading material to keep me occupied for awhile>:) I shall return. *the Imperial March begins to play as Traveler exits the room by way of a portal*
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 08:35:49 PM
IP: 208-187-57.ipt.aol.com

*A huge bunch of flowers, and a truck-load of chocolate and everyone's favourite foods appears in the CR. Attached to the flowers is a note*

I can't stay long, but I just want to thank everybody in the CR for their support and kindness. I love you guys!!
*MASSIVE GROUP HUG*
TTFN.

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 08:16:40 PM
IP: norm.surfnetcity.com.au

* ROLE-PLAYING COMMENT *

COYOTE BANDO - The Marsh Building? No kidding. Run into any (literally) fish-faced people there?

* END OF ROLE-PLAYING COMMENT *

CHRISTINE - Great issue of "Avalon Mists"! Keep up the good work!
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 13, 1998 07:19:31 PM
IP: pn3-ppp-104.primary.net

**RP!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal the backup group holding their ground outside the Marsh building. Coyote has now fully armed his party (his original one and the sideshow), and sits in the commander's seat of the tank, awaiting any word on the infiltration party.**

Hey, guys. The assault has begun upon the Marsh Building ... at least so we've heard. We're maintaining radio silence unless it's an absolute emergency.

<"We've got trouble ... I just heard gunfire!">

**looks up.** No radios! Nobody call them, unless they call us! **looks at Harry** Can you handle that, Harry?

<"Uhhh ... I think so ...">

Good. Now, while we wait for confirmation, let's make some replies.

**END 1ST HALF RP!!**

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR "MY LADY FAIR"**

BRAVO!!
Once again, Spike proves why she's the wedding expert on the TGS staff ... this was a magnificently crafted episode, I would venture to say it was better than "The Promise." The ending, especially ... when the tape plays for Brianna ... *sniff* sorry, I promised myself I wouldn't cry, but ... :)
BTW, thank you Spike for finally clearing up what the lyrics to Moonlight Serenade are. I played that song for four years in my high school jazz band, but had no idea it had lyrics!

**END SPOILERS FOR "MY LADY FAIR"**

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR ROBBY'S FICS**

Robby: Whew ... talk about going from one emotional extreme to the other ... I happened to read your fics before reading "My Lady Fair," and I have to say I feel much better now. It was another work that made my cry ... but for much different reasons. You have a great start there, dude, keep it up!
(BTW, I will be sending mail to Demona May tonight ... as you so kindly suggested to me last night. :)

**END SPOILERS FOR ROBBY'S FICS**

Ash: Didst thou say the magic word? (The magic word in this case being "INWO.") YESS, ANOTHER INWO PLAYER!!

**composes self**

Sorry. But INWO players are kind of far and in between in these CR's (at least some folks know what I'm talking about (Kyryn, JEB, Gore in the other room ...))
Oh, and I didn't assume you got your handle from "Army of Darkness" or the "Evil Dead" films ... for all I know you could've taken it from "Pokemon." (j/k!!)

Doug: You're welcome.

Ravyn: WELCOME BACK!! And we love ya, too! :)

**RESUME RP!!**

<"Confirmation received, Coyote, it was gunfire on the 68th floor." "Well, what do we do now?">

Hmmm ... **looks over toward Jojo.** Hey, Jojo, can you do me a favor, real quick?

<"Sure, whatever you want.">

**points to a drinking fountain** Do what you do best.

**Jojo smiles widely, jogging over to the water fountain ... on the side of the Marsh Building.**

Okay now ... Jason, what kind of range can we get on a 12-incher?

<"Limited ... especially if you're firing straight up. Why?">

Don't worry about it, I just need a shot high enough to get past halfway up the building. Doable?

<"I guess ..." "Where exactly is all this leading, boss?">

Glad you asked ... while Jojo's over there draining the entire water system of the building, I want to fire a 12-incher just high enough to prevent the sprinklers from engaging ... no water pressure. Hopefully that'll be enough of a distraction to get our guys outta there.

<"Ah so ..."> **Coyote ducks down further into the turret, closing the top hatch.**

FIRE IN THE HOLE!!

**The turret cannon lifts almost to vertical and fires a 12-inch shell toward the building as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:40:51 PM
IP: modem115.i-is.com

Hi Ya Everybody! It's Me Again! I just return out of nowere. But I went ahead and read the two new stories. I love both of them.[Offers and My Lady Fair] The picture in one story Offers is very good. Exspecily with fox with her father. Right now I just started to open my new web site very soon. All of you guys going to have fun seeing what I got on this site. Oh Merry Chirstmas To All and Good Will to The Gargoyles!!!!! HE HE HE!!!!! Here Ya Soon, Your Wild Crazy Rookery Sister, Demona May Stephens
Margaret Demona May Stephens - [realdemona@yahoo.com]
Aiken, SC., Aiken
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:39:26 PM
IP: 129.252.188.152

AVALON MISTS is now posted! Big round of applause to all who contributed to this issue! Check it out at gargoyles-fans.org or click on my name to visit!

Woo-hoo, a Christi story! On my way!!! ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:28:59 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

My promised little comment on why I think Oberon and so many of his Children are so arrogant.

It's the "Versailles Syndrome". Oberon and his Children spend most of their time on Avalon (except for the Thousand-Year Banishment), cut off from the human world. Furthermore, even when they do enter the human world, they generally don't have to worry about the sorts of things that humans and gargoyles do have to worry about, things like getting enough to eat, earning enough to make a living (if human), worrying about being smashed in your stone sleep (if a gargoyle), and so on. With their magic and immortality, they must see themselves as almost invulnerable. And most of them must find it very hard to comprehend the troubles of the mortals, as a result, any more than a French aristocrat living at Versailles on the eve of the French Revolution could comprehend the needs of the peasantry. How can they, when they've never had to experience them themselves? They don't know what it's like to be cold, or hungry, or anything like that. So they'd, for the most part, find it hard to sympathize with the problems of the mortals. They'd be as capable as the 18th century Austrian lady (popularly but incorrectly identified with Marie Antoinette) of saying, when told that the people have no bread, "Then why don't they eat cake?"

That would certainly explain much of Oberon's harshness towards the humans and gargoyles in the series. Why would he be concerned over the fact that the Avalon clan has nowhere else to go; he's never had to worry about not having a roof over his head at all. Why would he see things from the point of view of Xanatos and Fox when he tried to kidnap their son; he's hardly that close to any of his biological children.

That might explain, come to think of it, why Titania matured during the thousand-year exile, getting to understand humans better and the reasons for their actions, maybe even tasting of those vulnerabilities during the time that she spent as Anastasia Renard (and other aliases). Of course, Oberon and the Weird Sisters were also out there during the past thousand years, and it hasn't changed their attitude towards mortals. For that matter, the Unseelies have also been out there for eleven thousand years, many of them (including Madoc and Maeve) forced to live as mortals, and it hasn't brought them to compassion towards the younger races at all. But I suppose that the same cure may not work for everybody.

PROPOSED FIGHTS - How about Brain in his human suit versus Garlon (with Pinky kept carefully away from the fighting so that he can't do something stupid and possibly cost Brain a win)?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:23:16 PM
IP: pn3-ppp-104.primary.net

T.J.: On the contrary, the Illuminiti would, at least like they were in TGC. They were very poorly proytrayed if you remember. If Gargoyles re-starts with the story-line continueing from TGC, the Illuminiti would not be taken as seriolsy, or at the least as cliche villians.
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 06:01:02 PM
IP: dial-207-225-154-185.mpls.uswest.net

Well, the most anticipated wedding episode of TGS... it was just so beautiful... *gets misty-eyed* exuse me I have something in my eye... *blubbers out of the room*
Ash
Sunday, December 13, 1998 05:59:46 PM
IP: ps1he.ss.wave.shaw.ca

Since the Comment Room was cleared, I'm reposting this. (with some new ones).

Here are some cool Fights

The Children of Oberon VS The Shadows

Darth Vader VS King Arthur

Coyote 6.0 VS Galvatron

Unicron VS the Death Star

Madoc Morfryn VS Lorien

Duncan Macleod VS Macbeth

Bill Clinton VS Oberon

Duval VS the Cigarrette Smoking Man "My secret organization can beat your secret organization any day!"

Bester VS Emperor Palpatine

President Sheridan VS Captain Picard

Saddam Hussein VS Thailog

Carnage VS Goliath

Homer Simpson VS Vinnie

Owen VS Mr. Morden

Demona VS Morgana la Fay

Loki VS Puck

Old Godzilla VS New Godzilla

Jackal VS Hyena

Deanna Troi VS Lyta Alexander

Bronx VS Blue (from Invasion America)

Jackal and Hyena VS Simon and Sonia (From Invasion America)
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 05:59:44 PM
IP: spider-tj053.proxy.aol.com

Drumroll, please...

The Ravyn is back!!!!!! My many thanks and hugs to Starsinger, Fleur, Doug, Coyote, and JEB for the well-wishes!!! :) I love you guys!!!
If y'all are interested, my team went 2 and 1 in the tournament, and we were the winners of the Loser's Bracket! (kinda weird to figure out, I know...) But we have a nice plaque to show for it, and I had TONS of fun!!!! :)

Coyote> Thanks for keeping me involved in the RP! And your latest story was very interesting. I liked Sata's involvement, and I can't wait to see where that ends up! Great work! :)

Kitainia> I'll be offline from the 18th till Christmas Day, so I would have to say I'm in favor of pausing the RP for a little while. :)

Wow! The new story's up early, so I can read it now! Yay!
And BTW...SIXTH!!!! So now, without further ado...

**RP!**
**Ravyn smiles, grateful to be back, and jumps into the battle between the security guards and her friends. She punches and kicks, smiling the whole time.**
**END RP AND THIS POST!**
Ravyn Maza - [It's great to be back!]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 05:52:56 PM
IP: svm-ts1-5.c2i2.com

Fifth! Yikes.... Now to DL the story.
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 05:45:21 PM
IP: dial-207-225-154-185.mpls.uswest.net

Fourth!!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 05:43:14 PM
IP: spider-tj053.proxy.aol.com

Third! Wow!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 05:17:22 PM
IP: p1-21.netgsi.com

Second! And I can't wait for the new ep! Christi always does a good story! :)


Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrs@xoommail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, December 13, 1998 05:06:08 PM
IP: m177.ieway.com

Early post today because I have 2 finals tomorrow. Aside from studying for them, I have to get up at 6 AM tomorrow so I can get to the test by 8 AM or before that. Didn't want to forget about putting up the ep now.

DOUG-- About the rule... Gotcha. Will ammend once I find time.

FIRE STORM AND JOHNATHAN-- Thanx much for the old CRs. Will do something with them one I find time.

To everyone sufering from tests of any sort, good luck to you. Let's all survive this in one piece.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 04:50:43 PM
IP: pool0005-max7.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

A knight always keeps his promise.

"My Lady Fair"

The new Gargoyles/Pendragon episode.

Written by Christi Smith Hayden

Story Idea by Christi Smith Hayden.

Illustrations by Christi Smith Hayden.

Enjoy!
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Sunday, December 13, 1998 04:47:08 PM
IP: pool0005-max7.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net