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Aaaaaaaaaaaand.... Midnight. Hmm... Now where's this week's episode?
Robby
Monday, January 18, 1999 12:00:01 AM
IP: spider-we011.proxy.aol.com
**RP!**
[On the Dark Star, it has been determined that the spy is Dr. Thaddeus Morton, the head of the station's bio-research department. There's a stationwide APB out for him, and every security agent on the station is hunting him down.]
**PAUSE RP!**
Quote>
"There must be some way to get this kind of money [needed for our latest plan] without working for Eisner."
~Brain (yes, THAT one)
Kitainia> $Fisk, Cage, Thomas, Porter, and McBeal have raised their rates? Hm, maybe you could have Kenny sue them. :) j/k$
Serenity> What does mata ne mean? It sounds kewl.
The new Sonic cartoon> The plot is vaguely interesting, but I find it incomprehensibly pathetic that they've given Sonic a band. Yeesh.
jILLybEAn> Welcome to the asylum!
Todd> <<(I'm amazed, for that matter, that they actually got away with Farragut's "d-mn" in the Mobile Bay scene on an afternoon kiddie cartoon).>> Heh, you'd be surprised what WB puts its censors through. One episode of Animaniacs had to be renamed and rewritten because of repeated references to death. It was the one where Wakko eats himself to death in a Swedish meatball contest. That was an interesting ep, even though the Grim Reaper doesn't have a Swedish accent in my ficverse.
I saw the first part of the Batman Beyond series premiere this morning. My one complaint: The theme song. I *despise* rock; they should have gone with something more neo-Gothic.
Sailor Moon> Well, the series kind of earned some respect from me when they actually showed blood in one ep. BTW, any Sailor Moon fans in here should check out a fic in the archive (if it's still there) called something like "The Energy" or something. Five Japanese exchange students are given room and board by a generous industrialist. ^_^
Swat Kats> I saw a few eps of that, but I lost it when it was rescheduled. Why do all the kewl shows get moved or cancelled in their prime? My favorite aspect of that show: the gadgetry. I love tech stuff.
Stephen> I heard that SJ's dad also had a non-villainous role in the Sierra game Gabriel Knight: Sins Of The Fathers, but I could be mistaken.
Fleur> Welcome back dear!
I remember Exosquad. As I said, I adore tech stuff, and I think I have every Exosquad toy they made. (I collect things like that. You should see my Star Wars Action Fleet collection.)
**RESUME RP!**
[A search team enters a secluded computer monitoring room on the Dark Star...to find Dr. Morton sitting in a corner, pale and trembling. He looks rather sick, as though he's been poisoned...]
**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, January 17, 1999 11:53:52 PM
IP: cache.zoomnet.net
9 minutes to midnight. REALLY cutting it close tonight guys.
Robby
Sunday, January 17, 1999 11:51:48 PM
IP: spider-we011.proxy.aol.com
<very wiped-out Jewel enters. for reason why, see ye ole other CR>
Hey, all. Back to Bryn Mawr, deadened from an 11 1/2 hour car ride with my brother, el shmucko. A quick thing to say, then I go night-night, provided it's possible to get to the bed.
Histeria: I find it hilariously funny at times. <g> But then, I'm a History major. It is very reductionsist and does have some historial errors, but then, history, as a field, is continually revising and re-editing itself, so a few things can be overlooked. <smacks head to get out of "historiological-theory mode" before it even starts> My favorite scene in the whole series was one of the two Civil War eps--they had a parody of "Family Feud." The main thing I found funny in the skit was the fact that General Sherman kept lighting things on fire. Sherman, for any who might not know, was the Northern general whose "March to the Sea" campaign consisted of the little firebug burning everything in his path to the ground, including the city of Atlanta.
***Mild X-FIles spoiler (if you kinda squint)***
X-FIles: OK, that's it. Krycek is Kenny. It's the only reason why he keeps coming back when she should be dead or at least serious maimed. I bet if you took off Kenny's orange parka, it'd be Krycek.
***End mild X-Files spoiler***
jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 11:45:16 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu
Hmm... Twenty minutes till midnight... Cutting the new story close tonight...
Robby
Sunday, January 17, 1999 11:39:34 PM
IP: spider-we011.proxy.aol.com
Hey all,
Fire Storm > Just checked my schedule, and I actually got into that Atomic Weapons class. I'll be sure to keep ya updated :)
Serenity > <Ah, but the Imp's LAST name begins with a "C".... ^_~> Okay, you're off the hook. :) (btw, here's an idea: Save all your spams for the entire year, and on Dec 31st, FWD them all to Mr. Case. Call it a millennium present!)
SWAT Katz > The show kicked @$$. Too bad I can never find the time to hunt down the repeats. As for another great cartoon that I followed with almost as much devotion as Gargoyles... Exosquad. Anybody remember that one?
Todd > RE "Poor Angela" I think he means that he can guess what (who) Brookyln, Broadway, and Lex's wishes would all concern.
Ordell > According to IMDb, Salli did the voice of "Drey-Auc" in the SG-1 episode "Bloodlines." Dunno if that's who you're talking about. I gotta get Showtime.
***WARNING, X-FILES SPOILERS***
For the first episode I've seen in a loooong time, I liked this one. I could have sworn they were going to kill off skinner, and what a way to do it! Devious. Oh, and one more thing: Krycek is the MAN. I love that guy. Probably my favorite character on XF. Every episode he's in seems to stand that far above all the rest (which are, this season, lacking something, I don't know what... coolness, maybe?).
***CLEAR!!!***
Be back after perusing the new ep.
Steve Gooch - [stg6@cornell.edu]
Malverne, NY
Sunday, January 17, 1999 10:24:28 PM
IP: spider-pa023.proxy.aol.com
*Fleur walks into the Comment Room, carrying a small Norfolk Island Pine in a large pot, which she puts in a corner of the room. Then she grins widely and starts running around hugging everybody.*
I had a fantastic time!! But even though I didn't want to leave, Dorothy was right: There's no place like home. (Plus, I missed you guys. My friends are a crazy enough group of people, but they just don't have the distinctive and highly infectious brand of insanity you find here. :)) Tell you more later!!
TTFN!!
*After hugging a few more people, Fleur bounces out to catch up on the posts she's missed, the latest TGS stories and find out what her RP character is up to. *
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 08:06:25 PM
IP: jupiter.internetopia.net.au
I finally saw Antz yesterday at out $1.50 movie. That is a great film, just not a kid's movie. It had alot of political and humanist themes to it, and the name itself says something......
SwatKATS > I vaugly remember that show, just not enough to have an opinion.
To everyone else who gets all the cool shows on WB > Bite me (that's a joke, don't get mad). I've one episode of Hysteria, and that's it. I can't stand it.
I got a package in the mail from my aunt, it was a (very, very) late Christmas present, which contained the first season of Gargs that Disney put out on those five video tapes. She won't tell me where she got them though......
And a quick question to anyone who knows > is Teal'c's wife on Stargate SG-1 Salli Richardson? I'm pretty sure, because her voice is the same, but I could be wrong.....
Later alls....
Ordell - [jwaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 07:37:49 PM
IP: ppp-81.ode.cableone.net
STEPHEN - Tim Curry also did another non-villainous role, according to what I've heard, in an animated adaptation of "Prince Valiant" on the Family Channel: he played the part of Sir Gawain. (I never saw the series, but Constance Cochran did and mentioned that fact once).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 17, 1999 07:37:36 PM
IP: pn9-ppp-209.primary.net
Greetings all... Back from another weekend of fun working on stories, and catching the NFC Championship ending. Gotta luv the Falcs! 1st time in Franchise history they get a shot at the Super Bowl! (just wish it had been Tampa Bay instead!)...
Serenity> Ah, a Sailor Moon fan! <gives the secret Moonie High-sign! (chuckle!)> Seriously, it's good to see another Sailor Moon fan! Be sure to go back and check out "Disobediences" in the past eps for Season 2. Must remember to get my own Sailor Moon Fan-fic 2 parter done sometime! :)
SWAT Kats> Ah, yes! One of my other favorite shows! Great action, and I love the by-play between Chance and Jake (T-Bone and Razor). Speaking of which, if anyone is interested, I have a Gargs/Swat Kats crossover on my old site, but it's also in a couple of back issues of Avalon Mists. Go to the Gargoyles-Fan Site to see.
New Sonic Cartoon> I liked both of the series - the "spoony" one with Scratch and the other robot, and the dark one with Sally, Bunny, Antone, and the entire resistance. Funny thing is, they did a sort of a "back to the past" ep where Sally and Sonic met everyone that was around before Robotnik took over the kingdom from Sally's father... and the kicker was the King was voiced by Tim Curry! The first time I ever heard him doing a non-villain role! (grins at SJ, "Seems your dad CAN be a good guy when he wants to!").
JUST FOR KICKS> I had a doodlebug bite me the other day, and a Pic was the result - hand-drawn, scanned, then colored/detailed in Photoshop. Clickie my name for a look-see. What do you all think?
That's all for now... Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, January 17, 1999 07:25:24 PM
IP: m59.ieway.com
"Its not funny if you have to explain the punchline!" -The Joker, in the episode Mad Love
My, that was a good episode. One of the top five Batman episodes ever, and it would probably be first if they had the old animation style. (Sacrilidge, it had blood!)
jILLybEAn- Hi! How long have you been lurking?
Ed- Actually, the Saturday Sonic cartoon had a ton of advancement. There was an ongoing plot throughout the second season. New characters and minor personality conflicts all the time. It didn't get around to bringing in Knuckles, Amy, or Nack because it was cut short. They had plans for all three in Season 3, and Mecha Sonic as well... (He had a cameo at the end in what turned out to be the series finale)
Todd- Actually, Histeria DIDN'T get away with the "Damn the torpedos" bit. The first time the episode aired, the quote popped up at least six times, as many as eight times if I remember correctly. Last time I saw it, the quote was only used twice.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 07:04:49 PM
IP: spider-wg062.proxy.aol.com
ED - Just out of curiosity, what did you mean by "poor Angela" (in the bit about if each of the main characters were granted a wish)?
HISTERIA - I've seen this one too, and I'll agree that it doesn't do that well as educational programming. It has its moments (a particular favorite bit of mine is an account of the Tudors from Henry VII to Elizabeth I, sung to the tune of "Greensleeves"; I've always been fond of English history), but there are too many cases of its making historical boners and anachronisms to really function there. Although I also found the "Lydia Karaoke" scenes amusing. (I'm amazed, for that matter, that they actually got away with Farragut's "d-mn" in the Mobile Bay scene on an afternoon kiddie cartoon).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 17, 1999 06:26:43 PM
IP: pn9-ppp-209.primary.net
Hi guys. Glad to see the power cut’s over.
DumlaoX: Heh… power ‘outage’… some of those Americanisms make me laugh… heh… Nice archive incidentally, and I prefer the first colour scheme…
Serenity: Lots of ideas… hmm…
If Elisa was Guinevere reborn, how would she know it?
If Puck failed in his duty to protect Alexander, then I’m betting he’s make massive strides to undo the damage. I doubt anything would come to Oberon’s attention though, even despite the fact that we know Owen remains still until 2158, presumably meaning he doesn’t get something worse than banishment before then.
If Hudson was somehow rejuvenated, he might actually come on the patrols once in a while.
I think you’ll find that in “Unto each other’s fates resigned,” the prophecy of their binding in CITY OF STONE indicates that the sisters were telling the truth. Very difficult to write around that.
If Xanatos gained immortality through his father’s death, you’d end up with a Xanatos as corrupt as the FUTURE TENSE computer creation.
If Oberon died, Titania, for the short term at least, would become the ruler of Avalon. I think life for the Third Race would largely improve.
Who said Griff and Una already don’t have an egg?
If one of the gargoyles became a religious zealot, they’d be in their rights so to do.
If aliens invaded the Earth, they’d be called the Space Spawn by all accounts.
If Fox and Xanatos had more children, they wouldn’t be paying much attention to Greg’s master plan. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but that means Norman Bates could turn up, or anything equally ridiculous.
If each of the main characters had one wish come true… poor Angela.
Todd: I think the implication was that Wyvern was abandoned because of the interference of Hakon and the Captain. Although that doesn’t mean to say *nobody* came.
Airwalker: Well, actually, if you’re near the sea and can muster a few boats you’re onto a rather nifty escape route. Of course, that’s assuming there’s a way for humans to get down the cliff, like a passage or something.
Kitania: More what-ifs… hmm…
If Derek met the Gargoyles before Elisa, she’d have found out by the end of season 1.
If Beth did, all the Mazas would know of them, and several others she might slip it to besides.
If it was Matt, he’d be fascinated, and keep the secret as well as Elisa did up until REVELATIONS.
Xanatos and Fox would have left if Goliath had left them there, because Goliath hadn’t met them at the time of 1994.
Sonic cartoon: Hmm… I remember the one they showed at 9.30 and then at 7.15, with it all dark and moody. That was fun, and I never saw the last half of a two part story. The other one was fairly mediocre although I found one where they went hunting Chaos Emeralds OK. Both lacked any advancement, like the use of characters like Nack, Knuckles and Amy. Why don’t they stylise a new series around the Sonic Adventure new look characters, with more reckless characters. And the green/blue/purple eyes for Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. Hmm…
Wish they’d give NiGHTS more footage. If only the kids were any different or worth playing, that game would be better than Sonic.
Doug: Yeah, fine :) Just so long as you try to keep the size in check I don’t have a problem!
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 06:16:35 PM
IP: p16-cassowary-gui.tch.virgin.net
Hello, everyone! My name's Jill; long-time lurker, first-time poster. ;o) I was going to wait 'till tomorrow to post so I could comment on the new TGS ep, but SWAT Kats was mentioned, so I couldn't resist...
SOROW> I believe I still have every episode of SK on tape. It was a darn cool show, I must say. But then, I believe the story goes something like this: Everything was going along peachy, ratings were well and good - but then Mr. Ted Turner decided the SWAT Kats merchandise wasn't selling, and pulled the plug on the show. But, not like I hold a grudge or anythi- AAARGH! STUPID, RICH, STUPID-HEAD MAN!!!!!! Well, still, I enjoyed that show.
Mighty Max> I used to watch this before school every morning while eating my cereal. =o) Don't really remember it that well, though. (I DO remember going around the rest of the day singing the theme song, though...)
So ends my very first post ever. I'm so proud of myself. I hope I did everything right...I hope they can read the color I chose...I hope I don't double post! AAAAAAH! Heh, okay, I should go now. (stupid neurosis.)
{Next time: Actual TGS-RELATED MATERIAL!! WOOHOO!}
Lots of love,
~Jill
jILLybEAn - [jbruhn@bendnet.com]
Bend, OR, U.S.A.
Sunday, January 17, 1999 05:17:00 PM
IP: b213.bendnet.com
Sonic cartoon- What really ticks me off about it is, I love Sonic, (I have every flippin' game and comic book...)and he's getting another worthless cartoon... They could renew the good one, but nooooo...
If Derek met the clan first- Then Elisa would be a bat winged mutate named Talon when Xanatos used her to get at her brother.
Elisa's pet name- Cagney of course. Gee, why is this so hard for you people?
Serenity- Another Sailor Moon fan eh? Spiffy.
Swatcats- Oh yeah... Another great show. I have the entire first season of that on tape too... Keep meaning to tape season 2 off Cartoon Network, but I keep forgetting to do so... Probably just as well, my collection is in the hundreds anyway...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 04:57:10 PM
IP: spider-wk073.proxy.aol.com
Somebody mentioned Histeria! That show makes me laugh my a** off. Especially when Rob Paulsen and Jeff Bennett start arguing with each other :)
Robby> Brother, I would die to get copies of all those series. Do you remember some cartoon series named Swat Katz? It was only on for a little while and I was wondering what ever happened to it. It was cooooool.
Well, I have to write a very looooooong essay on Michelangelo and the Sistine Chapel so I better force myself to do it.
SOROW
Sunday, January 17, 1999 01:05:48 PM
IP: usr1-3-dialup20.mix1.irving.cw.net
Konnichiwa!
*munches welcome-cookie* Thanks Ravyn!
Steve> <<The Imp's name is Steve> I think i'll let this one slide, just this once :) > {g} Ah, but the Imp's LAST name begins with a "C".... ^_~
Carolynn> <Spiffy name.> Thanks! < What inspired it?> Queen Serenity and NeoQueen Serenity (check the email addy :) from Sailor Moon.
I'd write more, but I've got to leave for work. Mata ne!
Serenity - [NeoQueen39@aol.com]
Orlando, FL
Sunday, January 17, 1999 12:35:00 PM
IP: spider-te043.proxy.aol.com
**RP WARNING**
At Thailog's secret base, the bad guys are discussing their plans. "So I have sent Captain Preston and several of my troops to the Baja in Mexico," General Zale is saying. "They should carry out our operation there." "Excellent," Thailog nods. "By the way, our sensors have detected that the Dark Star has come out of hyperspace." "Yes, I know. But we can't attack it now. Maybe after the fleet goes away. I instructed our spy to place a hyperspace homing beacon on the station. We can activate it after the fleet leaves, and easily find the station then. After that, we just send in Serpent's team and they'll never know what hit them." "Good," Thailog nods, turning to Asil. "Is your and Guod's team ready to attack NORAD?"
The screen shifts to the TGS CR, where Kitainia and Kenny the Lawyer are going over a collection of briefs. "Okay," Kenny is telling his client, "I took testimony from Janice, and all the Ravens with you. Now all that's left are Doug and Coyote's parties, and Traveler. The last should be entertaining." He grins. Kitainia smiles back and says, "Good, Kenny. I think with you on our side we may be able to win this case." The lawyer shrugs. "I don't care if we win or lose, either way I still get paid. By the way, why are you using me instead of that firm you usually work with?" "Fisk, Cage, Thomas, Porter, and McBeal? They've majorly upped their fees recently, we're boycotting the firm in protest. We also thought it would be more entertaining if we worked with you instead." Kenny nods. "I shall try to make it so." Kitainia smiles again, and turns to the Comment Room.
**END RP 1ST HALF**
Elisa's Pet Name: I'm with the side that doesn't want Goliath to pick one. We've never heard him call her anything besides Elisa, things should stay that way, IMO.
Mr. Dis Connect: This guy is sorely needed in here, I know how frustrated people can get with computers sometimes. But he should not replace Kenny, who of course is only going on vacation to help us in the RP. The TGS Lawyer is a treasure of this room, and has been so since his creation. Treasures should not be forgotten or replaced. :)
Taleweaver: No wonder Joe Friday had such a boring life. <very evil grin>
Serenity: Glad your sanity was already gone when you came in here, it should make your posts even more interesting. Don't worry, you aren't the only one who went nuts before they started posting here. I did too. However, I think I've gotten crazier since I discovered this place. Weird, very weird. :)
SJ: We shall miss you. Please come back as soon as you can, we like your entertaining RP bits and postings. See you whenever!
Mighty Max: Ah, fond memories. That was a good cartoon. I liked the mythology elements in there, Tim Curry as Skullmaster, and all the characters except one (that one was Jiffy, who I would like to murder if I ever met someone like her IRL). Too bad they had to take it off the air, oh well, at least it had a good ending, IMO.
Steve: Glad you're still playing paintball, I would hate for the jerk to have won (by driving you off the field). Thanks for your Thin Red Line commentary, now Doug and I will make doubly sure to not go see that flick.
What-ifs:
1. What if Derek was the first to meet the clan and not Elisa?
2. What if it was Beth? Or Matt? (I think I already know what would happen if he met the clan first. :)
3. What if Goliath did leave Xanatos and Fox in the past in "Vows?"
Aerie: Glad you're making progress on the thief situation, I wish you continued luck in catching the guy. Also glad we were able to cheer up your friend.
New Sonic Cartoon: To quote Doug, heavy machine gun please. <Kenny hands her a heavy machine gun, with which Kitainia blows away Sonic, Manic, and Sonia before she collapses under the weight> Ugh, heavier than I thought it would be. I think from now on I'll stick to Steamer and my borrowed laser gun. Okay, my opinion of this pathetic new cartoon has now been expressed. Next topic.
Hysteria: I hate that show, enough said. Let's just say I find myself unable to appreciate the humor of it with anything but disgust. The censor bits are kinda okay, but the rest does not deserve to be called educational programming.
Okay, that's all for tonight. I have to get some sleep. The new semester starts Tuesday and I have 8 am classes all week. <growls a long rant about TEX> Tonight I had to stay up doing one last bit of partying before school begins again, it was worth it. Now good night.
**NO ENDING RP TONIGHT, I'M TOO TIRED**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 06:26:29 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty26.as.wcom.net
** SLICE OF CR LIFE **
Robby enters through one of the rooms many portals, greeting the gators, the shrink, and Mr. Dis Connect, who is currently in considerable pain after Wilek's post, but healing just fine. Robby is wheeling a large box on a cart. He comes to a stop , and pulls the box off the cart. He immediatley unpacks a cappucino machine. "Someone said we need one of these?"
** END SLICE OF CR LIFE **
Wilek- Thats why I introdced Mr. Dis Connect... Its much more theraputic to kill him in revenge than to kill Kenny just for the sake of killing him... Nice death you delivered by the way. And nice to see Shenzi again.
Xena- Hey, at least you came back! Don't worry about not posting often, it happens. Some people have lives, unlike us frequent posters... But the real action HAS started all ready. If you mean, when does the war start? Well... I'm not allowed to tell... But it may be sooner than you think...
Steve- Thanks for saving me a few bucks. I was going to go see a Thin Red Line on Monday...
Tim- Nice dream. Wish it was reality. Sice most of the gargs would have to be animatronic anyway, its feasible that the voice artists could all take part in the fun...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 02:15:13 AM
IP: spider-wc033.proxy.aol.com
Time Dancer> I suppose we better wrap up this Brooklyn/time travel arguement. I agree with Taleweaver statement. The whole "future is unchangeable" idea is defeatest. If it's going to happen anyways, what's the point? If I was that kind of person, I probably would of given up on my life ago.
But I'm not that kind of person. I've never been much of a statistic. I've been through depression. I'm somewhat overweight. My romance life is non-existant. I've always been an outsider. I have to go to a school full of jerks( 30% of the students have been on parole), as a result, my parents had to spend over $600 in medication and thearapy so I could deal with the mental problems of my classmates:) But, thanks to my sense of humuor and a couple of good friends, I get through.
And I also know that because of -- Goddamnit! My Computer cut me off again!
As I was saying, I know that because of my experiences, I will become a better person in the long run. In other words, while some of my peers are still earning minimum wage, smoking crack, and suffering from some kind of sexually transmitted disease at the age of 30, I'll be thin, have a great job, and have a hot looking wife:)
Which is probably why I'm so defensive about this Lexington thing. I relate to his situation. And if this dirty little profacy(sp?) does come true, I assure you I'll be kicking and screaming the whole way:)
And speaking of weirdos, last night, I had a dream that Stanley Kubric was directing the Gargoyles movie! I'm Serious! Mary Hart from "Entertainment Tonight" was there on the set doing a special segment on the post-production of the film. Bill Fagerbakke and Brigette Bako were in front of the camera sans costumes doing a screen test. There was a woman dressed up in an incomplete looking Demona costume that was designed to let the the wings and tail move independently. I briefly saw someone in an Goliath looking costume and I may have seen Angela. Everything had a colorful "Blade Runner" sort of appearence. It then seems like they ran through a series of short clips from what they had from the movie so far. It included a clip of Lex getting pounced by some alien-ish doglike creatures.
Maybe I shouldn't take those Ginkgo Biloba tablets before going to bed.
Stanley Kubrick directing the Gargoyles movie? Is it a dream... or a profecy?
Tim Phipps
Sunday, January 17, 1999 02:05:14 AM
IP: s15-onawa.pionet.net
Hey all.
Just got back from a showing of "The Thin Red Line." Well, not RIGHT back, it ended a while ago, but I needed the time to compose my thoughts about it. Yeah, done. This just about sums up my opinion of one of the most hyped pictures of the year:
TERRIBLE.
That's right, I absolutely hated it. I'll go into more detail, but that will require the use of...
***SPOILERS FOR AND RANTING ABOUT TTRL***
I first saw the coming attraction to this movie last year, and immediately thought: wow. What a cast. This HAS to be great. I had already seen "Saving Private Ryan" twice and loved it, and I thought this film could come close to topping it. So did USA Today, who in their Dec. 11th issue ran on about how TTRL could be the movie to topple SPR for the coveted Best Picture Oscar. I went into the theater with my dad, anxious to see what others at "selected theaters" had already - apparantly - enjoyed.
First of all, I was the youngest person in the theater. The old lady behind us would jump and scream whenever somebody got shot, stabbed, or hit by artillery. Nevermind that she KNEW she was going to see a movie about the invasion of Guadalcanal, or even a movie about WAR in general. C'mon, whaddya expect? The GIs and the Japanese will decide the ownership of the island over a game of baseball?
Anyway, the movie. I honestly have know idea What The F*** Terrence Malick was thinking when he put this thing together. It was one-third war flick, one-third National Geographic documentary on Polynesian society, and one-third... I can't even describe it. Though the term "soldiers discussing religious experiences/the nature of war/humanity in general to the audience in drawn-out asides" fits the bill.
In essence this was the only aspect of the movie that realistically depicted war. "Long periods of intense boredom punctuated by short periods of sheer terror." Were it not for a full bladder from overpriced concession stand Coke, I probably would have drifted off into dreamland during the last 30 minutes of this 2 hour, 50 minute picture.
As for the cast, one of the only enjoyable things one can do while viewing TTRL is pick out the cameos by all the big stars. John Travolta, George Clooney, John Cusak, Woody Harrelson. None have more than a 10-minute role in the film, which brings me to another point.
Had the creators broken the movie up into separate sections and shown them individually, some sense might have been garnished from the convoluted mess. I can remember two main plots, thinly connected by an excellent performance by Sean Penn, plus a number of flashback sequences, asides, and sub-plots that all detracted from the movie's continuity and impact.
The asides were most irritating. Most of the time, when a character is talking to himself (and the audience), reflecting on the triviality of human life or the effects of war on nature, etc, the message is supposed to carry some sort of meaning. But in the case of TTRL, neither I, nor my father, nor seemingly anybody in the crowded theater, could pick one up.
Indeed, had all the junk between action sequences been cut out completely, you would have had a very good hour-long WWII story. Unfortunately, all of that was lost in the twisting and turning of the movie. You had your "Good Captain versus Evil Colonel" routine, and your "Young Private Redeems Himself in the Eyes of His Sergeant" routine, and those were done very well. Of course waaaay too much of the movie focused on the private's thoughts, screwed-up as they were, and the flashbacks to his time with his wife (which always came at exactly the wrong time, and lasted entirely too long).
Anyway, I just needed to let off some steam about spending 8 bucks and three hours watching what my father so eloquently described as "the WORST movie I've ever seen." We definitely should've heeded the words of the folks who were leaving the previous showing as we came in: "Go home now. You'll be better off that way. Just step out of line and leave." Heh. And to think, I could have saved the CR the space and posted to an AOL newsgroup about the movie... of course that would have brought about entirely too much drivel and not a shred of intelligent conversation, so... flame me! Please! I hated what was supposed to be a great movie!
***END RANT AND SPOILERS***
Heh. The only other good part of the movie was seeing the trailer for "A Midsummer Night's Dream," which looks great. Michelle Pfeiffer as Titania, Calista Flockhart as Helena, Kevin Kline as Bottom, and Stanley Tucci as our favorite fey Puck. Looks like it'll be a blast.
'Night all.
Steve Gooch - [stg6@cornell.edu]
Malverne, NY
Sunday, January 17, 1999 01:38:47 AM
IP: spider-pa072.proxy.aol.com
Carolynn> They actually had this funny skit on Hysteria where they had a viking named Hakon. He was being interviewed about naming weapons, and I think he started a soap opera between two male swords fighting over a female sword...
Trent... - [oh, God. not him again.]
Sunday, January 17, 1999 12:12:59 AM
IP: 147.226.113.249
Hi, guys! Sorry that I've not submit anything for a while I've been _very_ busy. But I still kept up with TGS stories. So far not bad, I would like to know the real action starts. And I can not wait until Timedancer season 2 starts.
As for the latest episode "Nocturne" was pretty good, espesially with Brook and his family at the museum. The other good scene was with Lex and Liz. The writers are very creative.
Anyway, I have to go now. I'll talk to you all again soon.
Bye for now.
Xena
N.Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Saturday, January 16, 1999 11:56:55 PM
IP: ppp-067.m4-1.van.ican.net
Brooklyn< Besides the possibility (the LIKELY possibility) that Brooklyn is lying his tail off, he could also have repressed certain memories. Some of the stuff he went through was a bit high on the adrenaline level (I'm surprised he didn't pop an artery or something; If I had run into half the stuff he did, like pirates or ghosts, I'd be seeing Scratchy every lunch break). Or even knowing (or seeing) someone he knew dying or killed could have caused his mind to blank out. People under enormous amounts of stress/emotional pain/terror often due that to help themselves deal. Sort of like denial.
*throws two pennies onto the CR coffee table*
Hey, we need a cappucino machine in here *heads out the door*
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 11:45:21 PM
IP: spider-tk073.proxy.aol.com
Wilek< *heh* Thanks for the idea in the first place :) That was me! I love Hysteria!! My Journalism teacher had to separate my friend and me because we kept doing stupid quotes from that show during class.
"Why do they call him Lucky Bob?"
"Because he was really lucky when he coughed up that lung."
"Hi-ho!" (that and Monty Python quotes :) "That IS the monster ...") But let's not get the room started on Monty Python again :)
I love Home Alone, too. Never saw the third one, and don't plan on it. Home Alone without Macualy and Harry and Marv ain't the same, I tell ya! (International terrorists interested in a kid's toy car because it has a computer microchip in it? Eh ... no comment)
Hysteria may not be an Animaniacs ("I don't know vut to say, ze monkeys won't do-" "Don't know what to say, the monkeys won't do!")
(and my personal favorite)
Mobster: "Boys, show these kids the door"
Yakko: "That's okay, we can see it from here."
Oh, yeah, back to Hysteria.
Hysteria may not be an Animaniacs, but that show makes me smile and sometimes break up laughing ("I claim this cat for America!" *slamming down flag, cat screams* "Maybe not").
The Viking bit made me break up laughing, because it made me think of Awakenings. Can't you see it?
Hakon: "We need a ship that will inspire fear in our victims. It needs to have a masthead of a ... a dragon or something."
Shady Viking Ship salesman: "Oooooh! I have just the thing for YOU, sir! I ferocious fire-breathing dragon-type, yet!"
*shows him a ship with the masthead of a butterfly*
Hakon: "That is not a dragon! It's a cute itty bitty butterfly!"
Shady Viking Ship salesman: "Dragon"
Hakon: "Butterfly"
Shady Viking Ship salesman: "Dragon"
Hakon: "Dragon?! It's a butterfly! Can't you see it?" *noticing the rest of the ships have mastheads of puppies and duckies and kitties* "Who does your work? These look like they were designed by a three-year-old!"
Shady Viking Ship salesman: "What? That's just crazy! I doubt if he's more than 9 months!"
Big Fat Baby *paintbrush and wood tools in hand*: "Goo-goo!"
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 11:39:18 PM
IP: spider-tk073.proxy.aol.com
**BEGIN, NOT A REAL RP, BUT AN INTERNET-RELATED RANT AND ELABORATE DEATH FOR YOUR FRIEND AND MINE, MR. DIS CONNECT**
Guess what, all. Sometime last night, right after I finished posting, Mr. DC stopped by my ISP and decided not to let me into ANY internet site except my ISP's hyper-lame homepage. DC, this one's for you. [Wilek and Dark Mage Wilek enter the room through one of Traveler's portals. The Dark Mage telekinetically pins DC to the wall and Wilek guts him with a chainsaw. He then throws DC out a closed window, breaking it and hurting DC even more. The CR is on the 30th floor, BTW. On his way down, he's impaled and sliced in half by the exceptionally pointy wingtips of a TIE Defender assigned to protect the CR from being endangered by the RP. Mr. DC's still-conscious upper half falls into a spatial rift that leads into Jackal and Hyena's NYC apartment. Hyena pulls Mr. DC's head off and strips his skeleton of all the meat and such; Jackal drop-kicks DC's still-conscious head out the window, whereupon it lands in the street and is run over by a car. Just then, Shenzi The Caterer comes into the CR with a plate of steak sandwiches.] Sorry that was so long, but I am very ticked off at this idiot. I feel much better now...[Wilek and Dark Mage Wilek take some sandwiches and return to the Dark Star.]
**END WHATEVER THAT WAS**
I was just at the GFW. ALL my stories are gone. Oh well, the GFW was just for backup purposes anyhow.
Robby> <<Brook doesn't talk about his travels to the past because that would reveal he remembered stuff>> Oh, I get it now. Why didn't I realize that before. Thanks. And your animation collection...I'M NOT WORTHY! I'M NOT WORTHY! I'M NOT WORTHY! :)
Carolynn> Glad you like the idea; I'll have to talk Miriam's organization into sending you the necessary equipment. :) I got the idea from the Home Alone movies; Kevin set a rather primitive version of this trap for the burglars. I like the system you and your friends worked out for checking up on your stuff.
WHO SAID HYSTERIA! :) I LOVE that show; it's Warner's best work since Animaniacs and Pinky And The Brain.
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, January 16, 1999 10:23:24 PM
IP: tnt-3-10-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
I'm suddenly very afraid about the fate of my favorite blue hedgehog Sonic. Click on my name to find out why. (A brother named Manic, a sister named Sonia, and they play in a band? Worse, all the characters I liked are totally gone? I'm afraid... Very, very afraid...)
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 09:40:29 PM
IP: spider-wm072.proxy.aol.com
"Always the fooler, never the fool. What am I saying?" -Mighty Max
Ah, the first season of Mighty Max was great. Brought back some great memories... Tommarrow I watch half of the second season... Unless I decide to watch one of my other collections instead... (I have complete runs of Ducktales, Rescue Rangers, Talespin, Goof Troop, Gargoyles, Mighty Ducks, Timon and Pumbaa, Sonic the Hedgehog, Mighty Max, Biker Mice From Mars, The Slayers, Treasure Island, Road Rovers, Beast Wars, War Planets, Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, and Robotech. Dang I have a lot of series... And thats not counting my incomplete runs of Batman TAS, Animaniacs, ReBoot, Men In Black and Invasion America!) Hmm... Technically, I have the complete run of Batman Beyond at this point as well... (Think thats bad? That's not even going into my animated MOVIE collection!)
Hysteria- I wouldn't call myself a fan, a lot of the episodes are complete dreck. But some of the characters I like, (Froggo for some reason) and I find my self going into a Lucky Bob immpression at times... (You are correct sir!) But the show redeems itself with the censor bits, ("Damn the torpedoes!" and the vomitorium sketch leap to mind...) And the civil war documentary where the violin music drove everyone insane was also a hoot... Good show, but Animaniacs its not.
Hmm... I posted all this earlier, but aparrently the room didn't get it. Side effects of the collapse from the other day maybe?
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 09:18:15 PM
IP: spider-wm072.proxy.aol.com
**RP!!**
**The screen lights up to reveal the convertible pulling to a stop alongside a Mexican road. Coyote and Ravyn are getting out of the car, approaching a distortion behind them.**
Okay, time to decloak!
**The distortion suddenly turns into the tank. The Gearhead is in the Commander's Seat, Buick behind the controls.**
<"Thanks for stopping ... I don't think I could've handled the smell much longer.">
*sniffs* Hmm ... that is a strange smell.
**Jason pops his head up from the hatchway** <"That ain't me, Coyote.">
Hmm ... I think I know this smell ...
**PAUSE RP!!**
GargWeb power outage: Well ... this certainly isn't leaving Skydancer very happy ... considering the only ones of my fics left at GFW are the first nine!!! (FYI, she uploads them for me because I don't have the right version of IE.)
Mighty Max: Hmm .... never really saw the series ... a local station here shows old reruns at 7AM on weekdays, maybe I should try it on for size ... considering they show it before "Pokemon," I don't think I would mind it much ...
Fire Storm, Carolynn: Interesting take on my What If's. Thought it would bring up some interesting situations.
SOROW: No problem, take yer time.
Ravyn: Same thing applies ... no problem, take yer time. ;)
**RESUME RP!!**
**Coyote sniffs further into the tank, toward the cloaking device.**
<"Well?">
Jason, it's not you. **Coyote reaches forward, grabbing something obscured by distorted light. He wraps his arms around it.** Okay, show yerself!!!
**The distortion becomes a human figure. It's Harry, the Medium Head Boy ... but he's been Borgified, as well.**
Ohhhh, lordy!! **listens outside** What's that?!
<"Coyote, you'd better get up here! There's an army in the distance making a march for my convertible!!!">
**Coyote pops his head out of the hatch, looking to the distance.** Uh oh ... we had trouble dealing with them with Doug's group ... how will we take them alone?
**The screen chooses this inconvenient time to wink off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 16, 1999 09:17:27 PM
IP: modem15.i-is.com
**RP!**
**Ravyn's convertible is zooming down the highway, with the tank following behind it. Now that they're miles past the border station, Ravyn laughs wildly. "I can't believe that worked!" She shouts with a wide grin. "Did you see the way those guards looked after we totalled their shack?"
From the passenger's seat, Coyote smiles. Ravyn turns to make some comments.** **END RP FOR NOW**
**BEGIN TGS SPOILERS!**
Yes, I know, I'm slow. I finally got to read "Nocturne." Wonderful job, TGS people!!! It was wonderfully romantic, and I could understand why Elisa was on edge all night. Lex and Liz were cute too, but Sara and Matt almost stole the spotlight. They make a great pair. :) Great job!!!!
**END TGS SPOILERS!!!**
Serenity> Welcome! Hope you enjoy yourself here! *hands her a welcome-cookie* :)
Christine> I liked "The Scottish Rogue!" It was a great story, and I could almost picture it like an episode of Highlander. Good job!!! :)
**MORE RP!**
**Ravyn and Coyote are still driving along. Suddenly, a wide grin lights up Rav's face. "I recognize where we are now!" She says happily. Pointing off to the horizon, she says, "I must've seen those mountains a thousand times. They're right near where I lived!"
Coyote is about to say something when he's interrupted by a call from the tank. "Everything all right back there?" He asks. The Gearhead's voice comes on, asking, "Hey, Ravyn, you wouldn't happen to have an air freshener, would you? Jason's at it again..."
Ravyn laughs, and the convertible continues driving through the desert...** **END RP!!!**
Ravyn Maza
Sierra Vista, Arizona
Saturday, January 16, 1999 08:43:37 PM
IP: svm-ts4-17.c2i2.com
Hi-ho, everybody!
Robby< Hey, are you a Hysteria fan? You used one of the quotes in one of your posts :) ("Yes, that is correct, sir!")
Serenity< Spiffy name. What inspired it? Anyway, welcome to the room :) Grab some popcorn and enjoy :D
<<Carolynn: Get a camcorder to watch your bags. (At worst, you can use to footage to get money on the net! <G>) >>
Firestorm, please schedule an appointment with the CR shrink before you exit the door :) (Though I probably would get paid for doing that ... *shakes herself* Hey! You've twisted my mind! :D)
Flame thrower< *L* Kelly thinks it'd be too messy. My response: "So they'd get a really nice tan. Now fork over the heat-activated alarms". I like the idea though; I'll use it on my room whenever my sisters decided to go through my hard drive.
Speaking of alarm systems, thanks for all your suggestions and support, guys (though some ideas had to be discarded since they'd be ground for suing if we actually employed them :) Too bad. I liked the flame-thrower-alarm-idea, dammit!!)
I wrote down all the suggestions and showed them to Kelly and the girls. You guys will be happy to know we took some of your advice. Kelly has a friend who is partly friends with the bad crowd in our gym class, and so we now have a spy who's all ears for any news on the thefts. Meanwhile, since there's four different classes in one gym period, the teachers wouldn't notice one or two girls per class disappear during the period to get a drink or go to the bathroom (and cut through the locker room to check up on it in the process). There's ten of us in our group, so we'll be working in shifts. Also, one of the girls on the volleyball team has a big locker, and she's letting Kelly stuff her bag in there for sakekeeping. I told Kelly how supportive all you guys were, and she was real cheered up. The whole thing had her pretty bummed.
Pet names for Elisa? Ugh, I hope Goliath just calls her Elisa :) What else is there, Poopsie? I doubt he'd call her Angel of the Night. That title formally belonged to Demona. While she and Goliath are old flames, calling someone else that would have to bring back painful memories (besides, ironically, his Angel soon became a Fallen Angel, if you get my meaning). Too much of a tempt of Fate there. And Fate seems to be too prevalent in the Gargoyles universe to take that chance.
<<What if The Mirror was irriversable>>
This is New York. Would anyone notice?
It would also be a major site for the next taping of "Sightings". They'd call in the national guard or put the country on alert or something. 10 million people suddenly sprouting wings and fangs would have to be an alarm call for some sort of "epidemic".
<<1) Elisa's injuries from Broadway's accidental shooting had left her unable to return to work? >>
She never would have met Jason Canmore and she never would have gone on the Avalon tour (depends on how bad her injuries were for the latter). Broadway also would never forgive himself. Also, Elisa wouldn't last five seconds with Demona in the future.
<<Chavez had been the first to meet the Gargs, rather than Elisa? >>
Chavez might be the one calling Goliath Poopsie instead :) (I was kidding!) If you truly believe in Fate, Elisa and Goliath would have ended up meeting and falling in love, anyway. Their personalities are really what matters, not how they meet. Or maybe not. The clan probably would have been closer to whoever they formed the biggest bond with, which would probably have been the first person they met. 'Sides, Chavez doesn't seem to match up with Elisa's street-smart-personality. I don't know if many of Elisa's solutions to many problems the clan faced would have come up at all if Chavez had to have thought of them.
<< Sorry, Steve's right- if you know, you die. ;)>>
Thanks, Jeb. Love you, too, man :)
Dinner-time! *rockets for the door* Bye, guys! And thank you!!
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 05:51:08 PM
IP: spider-tl053.proxy.aol.com
Sorry I haven't been talking for a while, but school has been a living hell right now. I don't have a lot of time so....TGS story was great, Brooklyn remembers everything, and I can't wait for the new ep! OK, bye!
SOROW
Saturday, January 16, 1999 04:19:20 PM
IP: usr2-3-dialup30.mix1.irving.cw.net
DumlaoX take your time fixing the Elisagif. I have it bookmarked and can visit it any time now. Thanks for thinking of me though.
Biker Mice from Mars Want the webring or fanfic address?
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 04:16:19 PM
IP: proxy-311.public.rwc.webtv.net
Good Morning all!!!
(just a quick post today, I'll be back later with some interesting news)
Wilek:(AOL CD'S) don't think of them as an annoying storage problem; think of them as drink-coasters by mail...
Goodnight all!!!
Jonathan
NEW ZEALANDSaturday, January 16, 1999 12:53:29 PM
IP: wh20-6.wave.co.nz
OK, quick announcement to make.
It was a power outage that took out both servers Mr. Chris Rogers runs for us gargs organizations. Power went back up but technical difficulties have ensued. As you see, most things have gone on-line but parts such as the fanfic archive, the TGS site, and the pics for the CR are missing. Rest assured that our web guru is working as fast as he can to resolve the problem. We thank you for your time.
BTW, there are little bugs in the pages (yeah, I know, the elisa.gif problem). They will be fixed as soon as possible. Hopefully this 3 day weekend will help give me time to fix things as well as sit my butt down to write things.
Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 04:19:50 AM
IP: pool0036-max4.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net
Wilek- Brook doesn't talk about his travels to the past because that would reveal he remembered stuff, and then he'd be expected to talk about the future as well.
Mighty Max Marathon- I've been trying to talk myself into pulling out my old tapes for months and watching them, but I kept telling myself I had other things to do, more important that watching old videos... Well, I decided the heck with it, I'm watching a marathon anyway... Today, season one... Tomarrow, half of season 2, and then the final episodes on Monday... Should be fun... Especially Tim Curry as Skull Master... Hmm, I might pull out my old Biker Mice From Mars tapes while I'm at it...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 04:14:43 AM
IP: spider-tr071.proxy.aol.com
Wilek > Quantum theory: Yeah, now that you mention it... I don't know much about that, y'know, sleeping through physics and all. I do know they made a bunch of Star Trek episodes on the topic: a couple in TNG, and that two-part Voyager ep was pretty neat.
Steve Gooch - [stg6@cornell.edu]
Malverne, NY
Saturday, January 16, 1999 02:14:56 AM
IP: spider-to052.proxy.aol.com
**RP WARNING!!**
Jack Jameson, the nerdish fat guy sitting next to Grant in the Beetle (it's a Beetle, sorry I got it confused with the world's other small car that sucks), is the first one to get out of the car. He sees Doug, Jaden, and Stephanie approaching and smiles at the latter. "Hello, gorgeous!" he grins. "You here to make me have a good time?" Stephanie finds something familiar about his lingo and asks, "Does the word Belu-shee mean anything to you?" Jameson nods. "I sent that girl a bunch of cybersex request e-mails, she blew me off. B%^ch." "That 'b%^ch' is me." "Hey! Alright! We meet IRL!" Stephanie slashes his pathetically drooling head off with her sword and nods. "For the first and last times," she adds as the body collapses. "Do you have to be so graphic?" Doug asks her, watching as the other three in the car load their guns and start to get out. While he's waiting for them to exit the wrecked vehicle, Doug makes a post in the Comment Room.
**PAUSE RP**
Steve Gooch: Sorry, got confused, I thought that's what you were saying. Thanks for correcting me on that.
Mighty Max: Good show. I liked their use of mythology and they had a lot of good characters and plots. I miss it too.
Coyote: Thanks for the freak info.
Note to Everyone: Due to a power outage, the GFW fanfic archive lost a lot of its data last night. I had to repost "Clash of the New Olympians," "Brooklyn at Camelot," and "Inheritance." Every other author in here should go to their folder at the GFW and check to make sure all their stories are still there, then repost the missing ones. At least the archive is back up now. And my stories are reposted, so go read them, send feedback, yada yada yada.
**MORE RP**
Grant and the two girls, fully out of the car, began firing at Doug. Grant shoots ordinary bullets, but Alexandra and Nicole are firing exploding poison makeup tubes. (Wearing too much makeup was a vice those two shared.) Doug dodges the shots and fires his own shotgun, taking out Nicole. "That's for ruining Chris's life!" he shouts as Nicole's head is blown off. Alexandra screams and shoots at Doug, angry that he killed her new best friend. Doug whips around and blasts her to death as well, but not before he is splattered with so much exploding makeup that he looks riduculous (he looks like he was hit with the makeup gun Homer invented in that one Simpsons episode). As the screen fades to black, Grant laughs his head off. Tune in next time to see what happens to him (Jaden, you can decide if you come on before me).
**RP OVER, LATER!**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 02:07:58 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zox-vty62.as.wcom.net
I'm starting to think my reload problems are being caused by my ISP. My IP number has changed three times since the problem started and that can't be a coincidence.
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, January 16, 1999 01:06:37 AM
IP: cache.zoomnet.net
**RP!**
[On the Dark Star, Wilek and the others are waiting for a med tech to finish testing a blood sample pulled from SJ. Wilek: "Miriam, before this happened, SJ mentioned that the Death Star was near a world shrouded in darkness..." Miriam: "There's only one planet that fits that description: the former Imperial capitol of Byss." Wilek: "But it's been completely uninhabitable since the Emperor's Galaxy Gun misfired and irradiated the surface." Miriam: "There's nothing to prevent the existence of an orbital construction project."]
**PAUSE RP!**
Steve> <<every decision that everyone makes changes the timeline ever so slightly. If you decide to do one thing as opposed to another, each of those separate timelines will digress. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.>> That sounds an awful lot like something from quantum theory.
Mandi> They think Furbies record speech?! MAN they're stupid? All they had to do was skin and dismantle the thing to see that it has NO recording equipment whatsoever. All it can do is sense the volume of sound. That's all.
Doug> Glad to be of service. :) $Is it a Yugo or a Beetle?$
I just thought of something. I can understand why Brook is going to such lengths to protect the others from learning their futures, but surely it's safe to talk about the various eras of the past he's been to. So why doesn't he talk about *that*?
Serenity> <<What if Griff and Una had had an egg?>> Leo would be TICKED. ;)
<<What if each main character got to make one wish and have it come true?>> Well, the Eyrie Building would quite suddenly be equipped with the planet's most powerful computer (Lex's wish) and a kitchen the size of a small planet (Broadway's wish), and then every human on Earth would spontaneously combust (Demmy's wish).
SJ> Interesting temporal mechanics theory. And we'll miss you while you're gone.
Robby> <<You just killed my excuse to watch a Mighty Max marathon!>> Why do you need an excuse? :)
JEB> Thanks! <<AOL disks? Erase 'em and reuse 'em>> Actually, they're sending me CD's now. Ack.
Coyote> <<remind me never to get that game ... I'm definitely not that coordinated>> Heh...well, Blood is a first person shooter like Doom or Quake, and the tightope is little more than a really thin bridge. Besides, there are always cheat codes...
**RESUME RP! THIS ONE'S KINDA LONG.**
[The med tech comes back from analyzing the blood sample..."Bad news everyone. It seems the clone was sabotaged. From the data we've gathered, SJ2 was designed to biodegrade into...well, we're not sure. Sort of a double agent. Like Talia Winters' alternate personality, except there's a physical change as well. The change occurred as the Dark Mage was searching along the link between SJ and his clone, and I guess the physical and psychic shock was transmitted up the link and into SJ. He'll recover, but..." Wilek: "An alternate personality...that means there's someone on the Death star with complete knowledge of our plans and there's still a spy here, probably in the bio department. This is Nereus to Agent Rho." Rho (on communicator): "Yes?" Wilek: "I want you to round up everyone we didn't get around to scanning last time." Rho: "That's only one person: the head of our bio department, Dr. Thaddeus Morton."
**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, January 16, 1999 01:04:58 AM
IP: cache.zoomnet.net
FS: Your sentence earlier this week including all the condom names. That one.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:51:53 AM
IP: modem56.i-is.com
Coyote: WHICH sentance?
What if Elisa never met Goliath: Elisa would be a rather nasty stain on the sidewalk of the Erie Building.
What if The Mirror was irriversable: Well, people in the rest of the world would try to "Purify the city" of demons. VERY messy.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:47:44 AM
IP: dhcp191.visitus.net
**RP!!**
**The screen lights up to reveal the tank still speeding through the Southwest, now headed into Arizona. Coyote's sitting in the Commander's Seat of the tank, with Buick driving. Riding along on the tank's deck is Jason, the Gearhead, Ravyn, and Jimmie the Borgified seal boy.**
Hey, all! Jimmie's lead on Preston is that he was last seen headed for Baja, so we're headed that way.
<"Uh, what do we do at the border?">
Silly Gearhead, we switch on the cloaking device!
<"Yeah, but how're we going to get the whole thing cloaked?" "That's right, you've still got to hide my convertible!">
Hmm ... *strokes chin* Actually, Rav, you just gave me an idea!
**PAUSE RP!!**
Yikes, it took over an hour to get the CR to load just to late last night! Oyyyy! Well, I'm going to try to reply to all that I can get to.
Wilek: Yikes ... remind me never to get that game ... I'm definitely not that coordinated, even controlling my computer!
Mandi: Actually, my INWO-Cards mailing list has jumped on that Furby story with much glee ... someone created a card called "Teddy Bears." The color text on the card goes, "I love you. Wanna play pretend? The secret password is ..." ;)
Actually, to be quite serious, Furbys have also been banned from aircraft because the AI computers in them interfere with the planes' radar systems. They're like carrying around a fuzzy cellphone.
Doug: Jimmie came from an episode of Batman which involved Killer Croc and a group of retired circus freaks. The twins didn't come from there ... they're actually a combination of the Siamese twins from the Bat ep and a pair of the "freaks" from "The State" (they supposedly refused to stop holding hands since the age of 3.). And the water buffalo man is my own creation!
Serenity: As Kyryn so politely mentioned (Thanks, Kyryn, for the plug!!! :), I answered your What If in my fic cycle. The aliens invading in my case are Nokkar's "space spawn," giant alien gargoyles. Click my name link, it goes to my site where I post all of my fics ... they're also available at the GFW.
Incidentally, the rest of your what if's I think have been sufficiently answered by the others ... I can't elaborate any further than they already have.
SJ: Miss ya, dude. Come on back soon!
Some more What Ifs? Hmm ... let me see ... hmmmmmmm ...
What if ...
1) Elisa's injuries from Broadway's accidental shooting had left her unable to return to work?
2) Chavez had been the first to meet the Gargs, rather than Elisa?
3) Puck's alterations of New York during the events of "The Mirror" had been irreversible?
Hopefully, it'll be loading faster later ...
**RESUME RP!!**
**The guards at the border between Arizona and Mexico look off to the side and see the convertible pulling up. Ravyn's driving the convertible ... Coyote's in the passenger seat.**
<"State your business.">
Vacation, sir. Need to get away from life. **looks at Ravyn meaningfully, she nods.**
**The guard smiles.** <"Understandable. Need a vacation myself, y'know?">
Yeah.
<"There ya go ... have a nice time.">
Thank you, officer.
**The convertible pulls away from the border patrol station. Suddenly, the guard hut is squashed by an unseen force, the INS officers leaping away barely in time before the shack is turned to kindling. The two officers turn and look at the retreating convertible.**
<"Wow ... that must have some kind of engine on it.">
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, January 15, 1999 11:39:40 PM
IP: modem56.i-is.com
Todd - Actually I don't think that Constantine would ever have sent an army to occupy Wyvern unless there were people there. Why didn't he occupy Wyvern in the mainstream universe where their was nothing but six statues in residence? I don't think he's the kind of man who would avoid a place just because there's a rumor that it's haunted.
I would say that Wyvern is out of the way and strategically meaningless. First the castle was built over the Gargoyles original home which wouldn't exactly be in an easily accessable on-the-beaten-path area. Second it's against the sea. That's great if your a gargoyle and can glide away from the castle but if it's under seige, their is no escape route for humans. They would be trapped in the castle with their backs to the sea, and no way to get major supplies. Wyvern was only good as long as their was an allience with the Gargoyles. Once they were gone, it's just a pain to keep peopled. If it wasn't then why did all the people leave after the Gargoyles were frozen or dead? They left because without the Gargoyles it became useless to be there. It's too high up to be a port and the farming can't be that great. The Gargoyles were the main advantage of the area. Without them there, the castle is just a really big sculpture.
Now if the clan hadn't been destroyed, if Goliath had taken everyone with him, I think he would have gone to save the humans. And then everything would have been back to square one, with the Gargoyles living in Wyvern with Katherine and the ungrateful people. Although it's possible that the resuce might still change Katherine and that the relationship between her and the Gargoyles would improve. But if there were people there then Constantine would occupy it for sure. Would the clan be destroyed? Maybe not. Katherine might protect them long enough for Constantine to be overthrown. Still over time the Wyvern clan would have a few paths to follow. Either it would go the way of the Ishimura clan or it would simply be destroyed at a later date.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, January 15, 1999 09:43:48 PM
IP: 113.new-york-11-12rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Just a note:
Doug> Comissions? I suppose I can. No one has ever asked before. Besides, I draw dragons a lot better than I do people. Email me some info and I'll see what I can come up with for you.
I'm off for the evening!
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Friday, January 15, 1999 09:21:44 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
Here's another "What if". What if Goliath HAD taken all the gargoyles with him to pursue Hakon and his Vikings, as the Captain of the Guard and Demona had asked, so that there were no gargoyles at Wyvern for Hakon to slaughter?
Actually, it's quite possible that things wouldn't have been much better if that had happened. I can consider two possibilities here:
1. Goliath and his clan go to rescue the captured people of Wyvern, and the Magus turns them all to stone after Hakon tries to kill Princess Katharine. There is nobody to call Xanatos's attention to Castle Wyvern a thousand years later.
2. The gargoyles don't go to the rescue of the humans, but keep the castle for themselves, as Demona and the Captain had planned. The following year, Constantine decides to reoccupy Castle Wyvern, and sends an army to the castle, which smashes the gargoyles in their stone sleep in the daytime. (Actually, it's surprising that nobody tried to reoccupy the castle during those past thousand years. Maybe it was thanks to the ghosts of the Captain and Hakon. Or maybe Wyvern wasn't very strategically important).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, January 15, 1999 08:21:03 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-155.primary.net
Mighty Max> I, too, liked this series a lot- it's definitely in my top ten fave animated series. :) The reasons? All those that Todd stated, basically. I do wish I'd recorded more than 2 and 1/6 episodes... well, it's on here at 8 AM, maybe I should start. :)
Todd> Creepy... you seem to agree with me (partly?) on the alternate Gathering aftermath. GMTA, eh? :)
JEB
Friday, January 15, 1999 07:41:17 PM
IP: 208-73-71.ipt.aol.com
The scholarship website is DONE! :) (Hoo-ha!) *crosses fingers* Here's hoping I win. <:)
Now that that's done with, I can comment again. :)
"The Scottish Rogue"> *minor spoilers* I liked it pretty well, though I believe MacBeth was a bit ooc in doing what he did with Birdie. <:) But, it was well-written, and I liked the flashbacks. :) Definitely an improvement over "Cats and Dogs", on which I will refrain from further comment. *end minor spoilers*
"The Shadow"/Gargoyles> Wow! Got a number of responses. :) Glad most of you like the idea. :) Granted, there's some temporal problems (Shadow 1930s, Gargs 1990s), but a good crossover writer can overcome such things. :) I think Lamont could survive to the '90s (remember in the film, the Tulku (mystic guy who trained the Shadow) talked like an old guy but looked like a teen- I think part of those powers is possibly the ability to control aging). But better yet would be the time-travel option- the Gate or some other such temporal displacement apparatus (that's time travelling thingamajiggy for the uneducated ;) could perhaps send Broadway (and a few others) back to the Shadow's New York... ah well, so many possibilities. :)
Alec Baldwin> I agree- damn fine actor, is he.
Todd> Interesting Batman Beyond info. :)
DumlaoX> Like the TGS CR archive. Bravo. :)
Wilek> I'll keep you in mind. ;) (As an aside, I read those stories- nice job! :)
AOL disks? Erase 'em and reuse 'em- that's what my family does. ;)
Steve Gooch> *winces* Gee. What a nice guy. (Which translates to scary, dangerously psychotic guy.)
Kyryn> Indiana Jones/Shadow/Phantom? Kewl! :) I'd like to see that one... :)
Looks like your website's off to a good start. :)
Stephen> You too? :) Glad I'm not the only one. <:)
Gargoyles-Transformers?? I wanna see that one too. :)
Aerie> Sorry, Steve's right- if you know, you die. ;)
Sucks about the robberies- we had a thief in our elementary school in 6th grade, so I kinda know how that feels. You might try to post someone as a guard, or set some kinda trap... don't know what more to suggest. <:) Hope he/she gets caught.
Time Travel's Mechanics in the Gargoylesverse> I always find these fascinating. :) I never have anything to say about it, but I like listening.
Jaden> Gargoyles Alternate Universes?? :) I LOVE these. *grins*
Now, let me try these on for size...
((What if Goliath never meet Elisa?))
Well, I think Goliath would have remained with Xanatos, but not much longer- I think it wouldn't take much longer for Xanatos and Demona to decide to ditch the inconsistently loyal Wyvern clanners. Their tale ends with their Awakening.
((What if Demona really had been under the sleeping spell? ))
That's a toughie. If she did go under the sleep spell, that means no Hunters and no immortal MacBeth. Plus, would Xanatos even raise the castle in this world? (No Demona alliance.) I think not. We have a gargoyle-less Manhattan.
((What if Jon Canmore never shot his brother and lost his sanity?))
No Quarrymen- the Canmores would pay their debt to society, and likely eventually become three more allies to the clan. In other words, a good change! :) (These are rare. <:)
((What if Angela stayed on Avalon?))
The entire Avalon journey would have taken a different course. Angela was quite handy, especially in Nigeria and Norway. I don't think they would have went to Loch Ness, as Angela was instrumental there. Without her to shake Goliath out of it, though, Goliath would have kept the Eye, killed Odin, and possibly Elisa and Bronx. He then would have returned to Manhattan, and proceedeed to attempt to establish a 'protectorate' over it, for 'its own good.' Goliath would try to use the clan, but, sensing how he has changed, they'd refuse- and he'd destroy them. Xanatos would resist- he too would be destroyed. However, eventually, the other fay, seeking to avenge Odin's demise, would take on Goliath, and strip from him the Eye. What would happen after that? I'm not certain. Consumed with guilt, I believe Goliath would destroy himself.
((What if Goliath wouldn't help Xanitos protect Alex from Oberon? ))
No end to the feud, but I think Alex would stay with the Xanatoses- when Fox's outburst occurred, Titania would be forced to intercede on their behalf so that Alex could stay in the outside world. But Xanatos would continue his attempts to conquer the clan. When the Hunter's Moon incident occurred, he'd 'rescue' them at St. Damien's Cathedral- then make them his virtual prisoners, trapped by the city's hatred.
You have a lot more? Dish 'em out. :) :)
My, this was long... <:) SYL!
JEB - [JEB215@aol.com]
Friday, January 15, 1999 07:36:39 PM
IP: 208-73-71.ipt.aol.com
Taleweaver- Blast it! You just killed my excuse to watch a Mighty Max marathon! I've been trying to find a good excuse to watch my backtapes for months! Ah well, I suppose you were only doing me a favor...
Not much else to say, the servers have been down, no one's been able to visit... Ah well, THREE DAY WEEKEND!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, January 15, 1999 07:11:50 PM
IP: spider-te082.proxy.aol.com
Sorry for the double post, but here are a few more comments on some of the what ifs:
WHAT IF ELISA WAS A REINCARNATED GUINEVERE?: In that case, let's hope for Goliath's sake that Lancelot's not around (of course, somebody could then suggest that Jason Canmore is a reincarnated Lancelot :)
WHAT IF OBERON DIED?: Complete chaos on Avalon, unless they can find a quick successor. I doubt that Oberon's provided for the succession, simply because he's so arrogant that he can't even imagine that something would happen to him. In the TGS Universe, of course, Oberon's death would be very much to Madoc's advantage; he could easily attack Avalon while the fay there were thrown into confusion over who succeeds Oberon.
WHAT IF A GARGOYLE BECAME A RELIGIOUS ZEALOT?: That might have already happened with Demona, in a sense. I doubt that most other gargoyles would make such a career move, if for no other reason than that they've been on the receiving end so often of such behavior that it wouldn't appear very appealing to them.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, January 15, 1999 07:07:25 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-155.primary.net
I also rather liked "Mighty Max", particularly since it, like "Gargoyles", made serious use of various myths and legends. (Max in the course of his adventures encountered Osiris, Isis, and Apophis from Egyptian mythology, Kali and Hanuman from the myths of India, Beowulf from Anglo-Saxon epic, and a few others - not to mention that they even stated once that one of Norman's past aliases was Thor, and hinted in the same episode that he might also have been Lancelot and Little John).
One of the "what ifs" that has been posed here (What if Goliath hadn't come to Xanatos's aid in "The Gathering"), I've pondered once, and I believe that the results wouldn't be very pretty. It's possible that the situation would have still come out more or less the way that it had even without the gargoyles' intervention (after all, what really stopped Oberon from taking Alex away was that Fox finally used her powers, and that was what Titania was really interested in; somebody else could have then suggested the compromise rather than Goliath). But it's possible that Oberon would have succeeded. In that case, Xanatos and Renard would probably have invaded Avalon with a lot of iron weaponry to rescue Alex, resulting in a terrible war. Even if Oberon hadn't succeeded, the results would still have been nasty. For Xanatos in this scenario would not be in the gargoyles' debt, would still be their enemy, and so wouldn't have come to rescue them at St. Damien's, resulting in their capture by the Gargoyle Task Force with very nasty results from there. Or he might have come to rescue them, but for the purpose of controlling them with a tone of "Now that the public know about you and are after you, you have two alternatives: work for me, or get captured by the authorities and put to death or turned over to scientists for research experiments." It was a good thing for the clan that they decided to help, in that case.
Nice to have this place up again. I was really worried when it went down.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, January 15, 1999 06:51:50 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-155.primary.net
Well, it looks like the room is sort of up and running. I'm still having trouble getting it to load.
Serenity>Re ideas: You ought to read Coyote's fics about alien invasions
Ah well, I'm off to finish backing up the library catalog server.
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Friday, January 15, 1999 06:47:39 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
Robby> I believe the quote your looking for is that "Destiny is equal parts chance, free will and necessity"
Taleweaver - [taleweaver.usa.net]
Friday, January 15, 1999 06:27:44 PM
IP: 134.71.30.89
Oh temporal logic, one of my favorite topics.
A dragon name Firestorm, not CR's Firestorm, gave me this pearl of wisdom. A school of thought is like a vista. You can see forever in one direction, but not behind you.
It goes a long way in free-will/determinism about the future. Both sides have costs and benefits.
If history can not be changed, then it stands to reason. Given a fixed past and the laws of nature, that there is only one possible future. If that's the case hope and accountability go out the window. Hope is irrelevant because no matter what happens in the universe its to some design you have little imput in changing. Accountability goes to, because the actions of one are following that design. So in the gargoyle universe. Demona isn't really accountable for betraying the clan, she was just playing her role. And Goliath or any hero fighting the good fight is also meaningless. Whether they win or lose has nothing to do with them.
That what determinism and destiny mean. That a person and the actions are meaningless. The outcome is already tallied.
Then why watch movies or read stories? If you know good is going to win out over evil, why watch? More over, why does Brooklyn do the right thing in his timedances. What does it matter if he saves a boatload of slaves or a little girl?
I can't speak for others, but I read, because I don't know what's going to happen. I don't believe that good's victory is a certainty. I'm an avid free-willer. I think it has more perks. But that's my opinon.
As for Brooklyn. Well I noticed in Requiem that Demona and the Future Clan didn't volunteer information about Brooklyn's future. I think it's like that. If you can figure it out yourself, bully for you, but they aren't going to roadmap the future for them.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, January 15, 1999 06:24:19 PM
IP: 134.71.30.89
Ack! That little line-drawing thing didn't come out at all. Umm, sorry for the wasted space. Just picture a central line with lots of branches coming off, and branches off branches.
Steve Gooch - [stg6@cornell.edu]
Malverne, NY
Friday, January 15, 1999 03:45:54 AM
IP: spider-tq014.proxy.aol.com
Kitainia > Are you kidding? I got un-wired in October, and over Thanksgiving break I was back at the same paintball field KATN. Won't give that sport up because of some low-life, no sir.
Doug > I didn't mean that you go out looking to get hit. Did I say that? Whoops. But you got my meaning, that it's part of the game.
Serenity > Welcome to the madness. <The Imp's name is Steve> I think i'll let this one slide, just this once :)
Seriously, though. AOL is out to get me. Just as I was about to comment on "Mr. Dis Connect"... I was kicked. Twice.
Durid > <one member of the Wyvern clan could be saved from the Masscare by having his/her stone form replaced by a stone replica just before the attack > Dude, you've been playing Chrono Trigger too much :) Yeah, that sounds feasible. The trick is getting the Phoenix Gate somewhere along the line and using it. But I like your take on time vs. destiny. I'm still struggling to find a loophole that allows someone to change history in a major way for an upcoming fic.
<Destiny would prevent them from saying anything that would really change the future.> Yeah, plus some resourceful and tight-lipped writers :)
SJ > Sorry. It just seems that most people I tell that story to end up thinking that I did hit him, which leads a little part of them to think, "hey, maybe he WAS justified in decking him." Which is an inkling, though miniscule and easily forgotten, I'd rather not perpetuate. But yeah, I'd like some payback. Like finding out where he lives and giving his house a new "paint job" - pun FULLY intended!
As to time travel, I agree with you on most parts. I think you can pretty easily diagram the timeline as an ever-branching series of lines, each traveling off from each other. Kind of like this:
***PREPARE FOR THEORETICAL RAMBLINGS BROUGHT ON BY LACK OF SLEEP***
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\ \ \
\ \ \--------
\ \
\ \------------------------
\ \ \
\ \ \---
\ \-------------
\--------------------------------------
Something like that. Hope this comes out okay in the CR. The way I see it, every decision that everyone makes changes the timeline ever so slightly. If you decide to do one thing as opposed to another, each of those separate timelines will digress. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.
Time travel works like this: you travel backwards (or forwards) along the line you're in. If you go back, change something, and go forward again, you can't tell how much the timeline has been changed. A friend of mine wrote a great scifi story about this. People bopping back and forth in time, trying to fix things that went wrong, and each time ending up in an earth that got progressively worse (Civil War never ended, Germans won WWII, aliens invaded, etc).
Alternatively, you can go sideways, skipping between timelines. This is the way I imagined "Sliders" worked. Same time, different timeline.
***END THEORETICAL RAMBLINGS***
OK, that's all for tonight. I plan on waking up in the AM sometime... yeah, right!!
Steve Gooch - [stg6@cornell.edu]
Malverne, NY
Friday, January 15, 1999 03:44:10 AM
IP: spider-tq014.proxy.aol.com
Doug- You are correct sir! Hmm.. Kinda dissapointing that the first person to try got it though... Guess the next one I try will need to be a bit more obscure... Or maybe I shouldn't have given such an obvious clue...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, January 15, 1999 03:24:39 AM
IP: spider-tr042.proxy.aol.com
Robby: Suburban Commando?
SJ: We'll miss you. Hope you come back soon and let us know exactly what is going on with your RP characters.
Serenity: Interesting fanfic ideas. I've already been using one of them in my own fic saga (Xantos and Fox having another child). I have plans to use the alien invasion and death of Oberon ideas, too. Not sure about the others. If you or anyone wants to read my stories, they can be found on the GFW.
Later,
Doug
Friday, January 15, 1999 03:05:43 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zol-vty3.as.wcom.net
Jalapena! 18 DAYS UNTIL MULAN COMES OUT ON VIDEO!!!
Hmm... Just watching a movie I haven't watched in a while, and I'm curious to see just how long the CR takes to figure it out... It starred Cristopher Lloyd, and had Hulk Hogan beating up a mime... What movie is it? (If it takes more than three people to get this right, I'll be dissapointed in all of you.)
Timetravel- Perhaps its time for this topic to die. We all agree Brooklyn is probably lying for the benefit of the clan, and talking about time paradoxes is probably confusing a few people...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, January 15, 1999 02:49:42 AM
IP: spider-tr042.proxy.aol.com
****RP****
Looking at the bad guys Jaden takes picks up his ax and say, "This maybe the first chance I get to use this thing."
Screen fades out.
****END RP****
Yet another favorite Quote- "Impossible is just a word to describe something nobody has ever seen yet."
Serenity-Welcome, nice name. Please check your sanity at the door. Try these "what ifs"
What if Goliath never meet Elisa?
What if Demona really had been under the sleeping spell?
What if Jon Canmore never shot his brother and lost his sanity?
What if Angela stayed on Avalon?
What if Goliath wouldn't help Xanitos protect Alex from Oberon?
I got a lot more.
Brooklyn & Timedancing- I'm positive that he remembers. He's probably just saying that he doesn't because know the details. Think about it this way...The past can't be changed, but the future can. Just because Brooklyn was in the future doesn't mean it's going to turn out that way.
It's almost like someone is controlling time so it will turn out a certain way. The thing with Griff and Goliath during World War II, it was like something was trying to kill him when all that was need was for him to be brought forward in time.
Well I could keep going because I'm always thinking about stuff like this but I got class in the morning so I should just stop now while I can.
Good night everyone!
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, January 15, 1999 01:28:28 AM
IP: pm1-18.sma.silcom.com
Brooklyn's Memory - I'm sure that Brooklyn and his entire family of Timedancer's know everything that went on during their travels. The whole "We only remember fragments of our travels" is just a story they use because knowledge of the future is usually more dangerous than helpful. (Just look at what happened to Demona. I honestly believe that if she hadn't been shown the future then she wouldn't have tried to prevent it which only helped lead to it.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, January 15, 1999 12:16:53 AM
IP: 174.new-york-18-19rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Wilek- I've talked to Heather on a daily basis, AM talking to her right now in fact. And Green Baron is showing up on my buddy list right now. Remember, they're both lurkers, and won't comment unless they have something to say.
***WARNING! THEORIZING ON TIME TRAVEL! POSSIBLE HEADACHES AHEAD!!!***
Timetravel- According to Greg, in the garg universe, time can NOT be changed. He talked about this in great detail in the ask Greg archives... Time can only be written around. If you don't know EVERYTHING about a situation, there's a possibility time travel caused it in the first place. Goliath took Griff to the future, and because of it, Griff vanished for a long number of years, so that he would be missing when Avalon sent Goliath to London, and would eventually have to go back and make it work out.
Archmage situation... That was also a loop. He had to fall and be caught by himself, because thats how it did happen, and thats how it had to hapen...
Speech to Demona- She remembered the speech, and never told Goliath about it until he knew about it, and so it never had an effect, because it didn't.
Similarly, any timedancing changed Brooklyn made, HAD to happen, because they did or will. If he leaks information about the future, he had already done so at some point in history, and so he will when he reaches that point in history because he must...
What must happen, MUST happen.
***END OF TIME TRAVEL SPECULATION***
The last part of Mighty Max's take on destiny... Blast... I used to know this... Now I'm gonna have to rewatch my entire Mighty Max collection to find out... Oh wait, its a three day weekend... 65 episodes of the third best american animated series ever should be fun... (Second being Batman, TAS, and first being Gargs. of course)
Serenity- Your second post is a poll? Oh, thats a good sign that you'll have a long tenure here... Hmm... Xanatos getting immortality at the cost of his father's life... Now thats an interesting one... And all the characters getting wishes, also interesting idea...
Imp Steve? Maybe when Mr. Dis Connect leaves in a few weeks... But for now I want a readily available AOL thing to rant on. **Dis gulps heavily, he knows he's doomed to die in this post.**
**Robby leaves, but doesn't kill Dis yet. Instead, he offers a piece of advice. "Talk to scratchy about how you know your next death is imminent. Then feed yourself to the CR gators. They need a snack.**
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, January 15, 1999 12:02:28 AM
IP: spider-te062.proxy.aol.com
No RP tonight, I'll explain why later.
Timedancer: I have a unique view on the whole time-travelin' thing. I know that in the Garg universe, the Past can't be changed. Personally, I think that the whole "Time is like a river" thing is a big load of crap. Here's how I view it:
I believe that the future isn't written. Obviously, Mr. Weisman had some sort of iota of belief in that, otherwise why would Goliath rush back to Manhattan to make sure Future Tense couldn't take place? It was certainly a possible future, and, theoretically (I don't know exactly what you TGS folks have in store for us) by coming back he prevented (or at least believed he did) the events leading up to and creating the Future Tense timeline from occurring (well...maybe except for Lex's metal bits n' pieces). Sure, Greg had plans for the Future--hence the Master Plan--but, on the whole, there doesn't seem to be one particular view for what's gonna happen. Angela and Broadway may get married, for instance, but it's not set in stone that, say, aliens named the Rokkans are gonna invade and conquer Earth (Not that it can't or won't happen, Coyote! ;]) Small things can happen regardless, but there's no big sign that says "The Future of all Man-, Gargoyle-, and Fey-kind will go as follows: Yadda, yadda, yadd...."
So, for the large part, the future isn't written. There are dozens of different directions that can be chosen. Now, let's get cerebral. Let's go back to, oh, the 10th century A.D. Can't change the Past? Maybe. But, at this point, centuries 11 to 20 to infinity are the FUTURE. And the future can be changed; cause at that point, in 10 century A.D., the future hasn't been written. It COULD go the way we all know and love--then again, you could do something to change the course of history. America never gets formed. The Industrial Revolution never progresses as far as it did. Gargoyles become extinct. The Indians still own Manhattan. It could all happen, cause frankly, at that point, YOU write the future.
Or you could view it as the whole "River" analogy. Imagine that the present is the middle of the river, and that's where you are. To your left is the Past: it's all one stream of water, never straying from the path. To your right is the Future: it's dozens, maybe hundreds, or thousands, or millions of tiny streams, running everywhere, in all directions. It's up to you form all those little streams into just one river. If you go back to 10th century A.D., the situation would be the same; 10th century would be the present, and the future would be uncertain, only what you made of it. So maybe the past couldn't be changed....but if you were in the 10th century, the past would be B.C. to 9th cen A.D. 11th to 20th and on would be the future--which you CAN change.
As for why Brooklyn doesn't screw up things in the past, I'd have to chalk that one down to destiny. Same with Goliath saving Griff, and the Archmage. As for Brooklyn's forays into the future....well, they're only possible futures. It could even be said during his visits to the past, the future--namely the 20th century as he knew it--was only a possible future at that point. If it wasn't for destiny/fate intervening, he could have done something to stop his particular future from ever happening.
At least, that's the way I see things. But what do I know, I'm an occasionally mad scientist. Hope I didn't give you an ice cream headache from reading that. Ain't time paradoxes fun?
GOOCH: I know you didn't actually hit him in paintball. Just maybe you should next time.....you know, the old "Oops! I'm sorry! Did I hit you in the throat and collapse your trachea?" gag.....
ATTENTION RP-ERS!!!!
Remember a couple of weeks ago, when I said I'd be going out of town? That trip got postponed. Well, the Piper just called, and the debt is due. So I may be going out of town NOW. As in tomorrow. So, if you don't hear from me, I'll be on the road. I should be back, hopefully, no later than mid next week.
So, as for the Roleplay: I leave me, SJ, in your capable hands. I'm near death, I see.....;)....but I'm guessin' I'll pull through eventually. Until then, use me as you like. As for my clone (who's apparently gone ape s*** and wonderfully homicidal...) you can of course use him and the Death Star. But please, DON'T kill the clone! Or severly injure him, or "Dad." I got a couple more plans for them still. Thanks guys, and I hope to see you guys again soon!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, January 14, 1999 11:35:48 PM
IP: 209-122-247-71.s71.tnt26.brd.erols.com
Thank you for all the kind welcomes!! A few (well, more than a few) replies & comments....
On my sanity: Hate to disappoint, but I was crazy long before I got here! {g}
The irony of my name: Kitaina, you have NO idea! ;)
Buffy ep: You know what occured to me at the end? What if that was the wrong rat?
Brooklyn & Time: I think he remembers everything, and I refuse to think about the time & destiny conundrums.
Batman Beyond: Saw it, liked it for the most part. Bladerunner feel was cool, Bruce's portrayal was not (for most of it I think he was way out of character).
Mr. Dis Connect: Ah, that reminds me of what my friends and I termed the AOL Imp. The Imp is a nasty little creature who is responsible for all the evils of AOL- getting kicked offline ("Imped"), not being able to sign on, disappearing posts, unavailable email, etc. The Imp's name is Steve. He has a cousin- the Windows Gremlin, Bill. {g}
Weird Sisters: Yes! I have never been able to figure out who or what they're actually loyal to, outside of each other. Maybe nothing. But they sure don't seem to be 100% behind Oberon. Then again, the same could be said for quite a few of the Children.
Something I'd like to share.... This is just a short list of ponderables. Some of the ideas are silly, some are just plain stupid, but the point is just to make you think a bit and maybe start a discussion. Who knows, maybe someone will get a fic idea from them. Feel free to make your own!
What Ifs:
What if Elisa was Guinevere reborn?
What if Puck failed in his duty to protect Alexander?
What if Hudson was somehow rejuvenated?
What if the Weird Sisters lied when they said that Demona and Macbeth would die if one killed the other, and there really is no release for them?
What if the cost of Xanatos' immortality was the death of his father?
What if Oberon died?
What if Griff and Una had had an egg?
What if one of the gargoyles became a religious zealot?
What if aliens invaded Earth?
What if Fox and Xanatos have more children?
What if each main character got to make one wish and have it come true?
That's all for now!
Serenity - [NeoQueen39@aol.com]
Orlando, FL
Thursday, January 14, 1999 11:25:11 PM
IP: spider-wa031.proxy.aol.com
**RP WARNING**
The screen comes on. Doug is still backing up the Onslaught. As soon as he gets alongside Grant's Yugo, he turns the wheel hard to the right, smashing into the car and knocking it off the road. Grant screams in terror, as do Alexandra, Jameson, and Nicole. They crash into the ditch, all are winded and reeling. Doug stops the truck and hops out, drawing his shotgun. Stephanie comes behind him with her katana. The others also hop out of the trailer and draw weapons but stay back, deciding they'll let Doug and Steph handle this one. While he's waiting for the bad guys to recover from the crash (so it'll be a fair fight), Doug makes a CR post.
**PAUSE RP**
First a small Shameless Plug!
"Inheritance" is now up on the GFW archive, hope everyone reads it and enjoys. Remember to us writers, all feedback is greatly appreciated. The more detailed, the better. :)
Now for some replies:
Wilek: Thanks for telling me how to put pics in a story. I might try that with my next one, "Captives." (Yes, it's gonna be the big one I've been talking about for so long!) I'll start working on it soon.
Jaden: $ Okay, happy to have you along with us. $
Traveler: I understand why you didn't send feedback immediately, thanks for explaining your reasons. Look forward to seeing it when it does come. BTW, the new story has some dragons in it, too, but they're pretty well-hidden. (Not really, but you won't spot them at first. <grin>)
Steve Gooch: Yes, I've played paintball. But I've never wanted to get hit, even though I have many times. I have expected it, it is a possible danger. But I always try to avoid the paintballs. Getting hit gets you knocked out of the game, and it hurts. No fun. But I would not go ballistic about it like that jerk who beat you up. I'd just get out of the game, and on the next round, remember who hit me (distinctive build and clothing) and pay them back with a shot of my own. Hopefully. :)
Coyote: Thanks for the Harry info. Did you get any of the other freaks from any special place or did you just make them up?
Serenity: Welcome to the CR! Enjoy the place, be careful of the gator pit. :)
Kyryn: Well, you still have nice artwork, whether it will be in TGS or not. I wonder if you take commissions. There's a couple of dragon characters I might want you to draw for my fics.
About Brooklyn: I agree with Coyote that he does know about the future, he's just not telling anyone so as to not alarm them. But little tidbits do slip out occasionally, like his comment to Broadway and Angela about them raising a great kid.
Not much to say tonight, see y'all tomorrow. Later!
**BACK TO RP**
The four bad guys, having recovered, get out of their car and draw weapons. Grant pulls out an assault rifle, Jameson a short-barrelled shotgun, and the evil preppie femme fatales both draw Mary Kay Commando style heavy machine guns. (Read the comic Bloom County if you don't know what that kind of weapon looks like.) The Ravens rush them, preparing to do battle as the screen fades out. To be continued next time.
**RP AND POST END**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, January 14, 1999 11:08:07 PM
IP: hil-c45-004-vty168.as.wcom.net
Don't have time to really read the CR, but just posting a few things and my own 2c on Timedanceing.
Does anyone rember the answer that the show "Mighty Max" gives on destiny? "Destiny is equal parts free-will, chance and *****" I just can't rember the last.
Altering Time: Now in the Gargoyles Universe, most time-travelers believe that Time cannot be altered. However if this can't be compleatly true, or time-travel by it's very nature couldn't exsist. You would never be able to meet your past self as Demona has, nor would you be able to bring anything out of the past into the the future as Goliath did in "MIA". Rather, it is my belief that it is Destiny that cannot be changed.
Part of Griff's destiny was that he couldn't return home until 50some years after WWII. When Goliath tried to defy destiny in that way, it started trying to kill both him and Griff. Goliath however was able to get around destiny by returning Griff to his home in 1995.
Also the Archmage is a good example. His destiny was to get the Grimorum, the Gate, and the Eye, then die. If he didn't meet his future self when he fell into that crevice, he would not have lived to become that future self. Here destiny made sure that he didn't die in the crevice, and allowed his future self to help his past. And with the Archmage there is also some evidance of some time alteration, namely a paradox. If the Archmage wasn't saved by his futureself, how could he survive to become his futureself? It looks like someone arranged events to kill the Archmage back in the 10th century, and partially sucedded, only destiny intervened to make sure that the Archmage fullfilled his destiny.
Now, past Destiny cannot be changed, but there are loopholes that can be used to get around or delay destiny. For example, I fully believe that at least one member of the Wyvern clan could be saved from the Masscare by having his/her stone form replaced by a stone replica just before the attack (or taken away just before dawn), then bring that one member to the 20th century. When the clan is smashed, and later analyzed by Xanatos in the 20th century, do you honestly belive that some actual stone among the Gargoyle remains would be noticed, or that the amount of 'Gargoyle parts' don't add up to quite the same as how many were smashed? Interesting plot theory.... The only snag is that the one doing it would have to stay out of sight of everyone in the 10th century, or destiny will hamper him.
I don't know how clear that came out (clearer than my consparicy theory I hope). But it would explain Brooklyn's reluntance to saying anything (why fortell a bad future and make everyone worry, and possibly force destiny to hamper him from doing so. Or ruin the surprise of a good furure) and his not real worry about his kids saying anything. Destiny would prevent them from saying anything that would really change the future.
Once again, I am not sure how clear that came out. Blessed be!
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:48:49 PM
IP: dialupf112.mpls.uswest.net
Quick post before I hit the sack. (One more day of work!)
Wilek> Yep, you heard me right. I heard on the news that the National Security Agency has banned Furbys from their buildings, saying that they are a threat to national security. According to the NSA, there's an internal recorder inside the Furby which could tape conversations inside the building that might be used as a threat to national security. I'm not making this up--the reporter himself commented that he'd had the Furby they'd tested on for five hours, and all that came out of it was gibberish. ("The Furby isn't talking.") I guess it would be possible to extract the actual tape from a Furby and get a straight recording, but still, I laughed so hard!
That's all. (a la Dr. Nick)Good night, everybody!
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:42:12 PM
IP: p1-15.netgsi.com
More browser reload problems. I'd hate to have to throw this lovely machine into an ion furnace. HELP ME!!!
Wilek
Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:24:59 PM
IP: cache.zoomnet.net
**RP!**
[In the Dark Star's med lab, SJ's lying in stasis on a bio-bed while the Halfling Anoth is concentrating on healing him. He also has a telepathic communication channel open between SJ and the others, for when SJ wishes to post in the CR.]
**PAUSE RP!**
Kitainia> Glad you like the sound file. It's actually one of Henry Stauf from The 7th Guest and The 11th Hour, played by Robert Hirshboeck, who happens to be Cocytus' ideal voice. I added some echo, to simulate the effects of being in a tomb.
Webelos? Sounds like the official cereal of the Rebel Alliance as pronounced by Elmer Fudd. :P j/k
Serenity> Welcome! Feel free to kill our Lawyer or drive our psychiatrist, Dr. Scratchansniff, out of his mind. (Wasn't he kidnapped by Demona once?)
Anyone ever notice that the Weird Sisters can't seem to decide which side they're on? The way I see it, they want to keep either side from winning until...well, I'm not sure...
Coyote> Ack, sorry about your car. You know, in the game Blood, there's a JoJo The Idiot Circus Boy. He's never seen in the game, but there are posters up all over the place advertising him, and your character ends up doing the act that JoJo was supposed to do. Namely tightrope walking over a pit full of snakes. They don't call him an idiot for nothing I guess.
Carolynn> Regarding the moron who's stealing your friends' stuff: Set it up so that if they get into your bag, it trips a trigger that fires a flamethrower at their head. It's great fun to watch.
Mandi> <<the NSA's ban of Furbys from their offices>> Huh?
Pet Names for Elisa> Goliath doesn't use pet names, I think. He's just too...I don't know...serious about their relationship. I think I would be too.
Mr. Dis Connect> Ooh, fresh blood. Traveler? [Traveler opens a portal to the CR, through which Wilek fires a cerebral bore gun. A small metal device flies into the CR and drills into Mr. DisConnect's skull, spraying blood and brain juice everywhere. The device explodes, and Mr. DisConnect's now-headless corpse falls to the floor.] I've been playing much too much Turok 2.
Brooklyn's knowledge of future events CAN in fact change the future. Someone from the future can't change the present directly, but someone from the present who's been to the future can change the future s/he's been to into something else by using or communicating knowledge of the future. Also, someone from the future can change the present, not directly, but by communicating future knowledge to ppl in the present and letting them change the present, thereby changing the future. I AM Q! :P j/k
Hey has anyone seen Heather? Zath? Green Baron?
Deuce> Yep, Starship Titanic is one of the best games EVER. Also one of the most complex. And you have to love a game with someone named Titania in it.
Quote:
"No stupid grinning please."
Computer, Starship Titanic
Kyryn> You know, there's also a feline alien race in *my* ficverse, although I don't think I'll ever get the chance to use them. Someday I might tell y'all about the various aliens in my ficverse.
**NO CLOSING RP TONIGHT; NOT FEELING PARTICULARLY CREATIVE.**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:23:59 PM
IP: cache.zoomnet.net
I love the archive! Man, I can't believe some of the older posts. Talk about theories of evolution. Oh, and the actual page (archives.html) has a funny title - "Current Episode". Huh????
Oh, and sorry for all the posts (I'm getting up to 5.6*10^7, I know it), I'm kinda hyper lately.
** leaves. **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, January 14, 1999 09:11:37 PM
IP: ts13109.connect.ab.ca
Brooklyn: I don't think he's woried that he might change the future. After all, we allready know, that in the Gargoyle Universe, the time line can not be changed. After years of time dancing Brooklyn probably knows this. If ignorence is bliss then why ruin everyone's lives by warning them about all the things that are going to go wrong. I know I don't want to know when I'm going to die. I'd spend the rest of my life dreding that one day. I think he's just trying to let everyone be happy while they still can.
TheOneEyedSquid - [Sigma28@aol.com]
Thursday, January 14, 1999 08:52:57 PM
IP: spider-th083.proxy.aol.com
**Kyryn runs by on her way out the door**
Thanks to all who've commented on my site.
Doug and Kitania> I appreciate the compliments, but I actually hadn't even considered doing artwork for TGS. I signed on as a proofreader/editor type.
Traveller> Thanks. The F'dayn are a catlike techie race in my as-yet-unwritten universe(actually, I've got pieces down here and there). There are 2 more dragon pics and another F'dayn pic up at the site now. You want dragons? I've got about 5 more pics that I haven't put up yet. I'll let you know when I do.
I went and saw 'Mighty Joe Young' last night. It's okay although I had to laugh when they played fast and loose with L.A. geography. Having grown up in L.A., it's always fun to see the movie 'shortcuts' through the city. Boy, I wish that I could have found some of those during rush hour! Of course now it's also fun to see the same thing happen with 'Walker, Texas Ranger'.
Robby> I'd send the gremlins to help with the AOL problem, but they all went home to another dimension.
Serenity> Welcome to the State of Insanity, right next door to the lovely State of Chaos!
Ah well, gotta run!
**Kyryn zooms out of the CR, running over Mr. Dis Connect along the way.**
Kyryn - [<<--clicky, clicky]
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, January 14, 1999 08:46:26 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
Another Starship Titanic fan! Yes! (That's my birthday present come June, BTW).
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, January 14, 1999 08:39:26 PM
IP: ts13109.connect.ab.ca
A quote>
"The ship has lost its mind, and so has most of the crew."
~Fentible the DoorBot, Starship Titanic
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, January 14, 1999 08:06:37 PM
IP: tnt-2-125-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Howdy everyone,
Just thought I'd stop by and add a few thoughts.
Rescuers> Call Matt Bluestone, but somehow I think this my be a stunt to boost the sales of the movie. Oh, it's genuine enough, the little conspiracy nut inside can't help but wonder how many more copies will be sold with the extra publicity.
Movie lines&