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FIRST!!!!!! HA! HA! HA! HA!!!! Must go read now...Bye...
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Monday, February 1, 1999 12:00:07 AM
IP: 212-230-142.ipt.aol.com

Traveler-I don't care if I get first... Just top ten... May the more alert poster win.
Robby
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:59:03 PM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

Robby, you've got competition. *hehehehehehe*
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:57:56 PM
IP: 212-230-142.ipt.aol.com

Five minutes to midnight...
Robby
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:54:26 PM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

Hmm... I liked it better when the room cleared six hours early instead of at the last minute...
Robby
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:47:39 PM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

Random Quote: "Fools laugh at the Latin language." - Ovid
Blue Caeru
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:40:00 PM
IP: ppp-09-ts6.nerdc.ufl.edu

a three hour tour... a three hour tour...
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:39:22 PM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

Darn it. The Falcolns lost. Argh.

"Good Omens": Terry Gilliam. Yeah, that was the guy. (A friend of mine had an ex whose name was *amazingly* similiar, first name starts with a "T", last name is the same but for one letter, so I was afraid to say the name should I say the wrong one.)

WARNING, LONG HAPPY POST!
<g> Today is a happy day. There was a meeting at work (I work at my college's computing center--Front Desk, Help Desk, Imaging, and Dorm Networking. Yes, I am becoming a computer geek) where we got our schedules for the semester. After the meeting, I asked Nick, Front Desk boss, how the job search was going for a new Mary, who had been my Imaging boss but who quit. Since she quit (and half of the full-time people in one fail swoop last semester because none of them could stand *their* new boss), the executive decison was made to parcel out her work to Nick and to another full-time staffer named Susan. Neither of them know much about the actual running of the Imaging Labs. I've been Bay Managing (ie, fixing the Imaging computers, installing software, cleaning out files, etc) for the last semester and I'm more or less the senior Op (Student Operator) and considered the one who knows the most--I've trained new Imaging Ops and taught classes on Photoshop for other students. Anyway, the upshot is that Nick and Susan both are already overworked because of the full-time staff shortages and realize I know a lot about the actual working and functioning of the Imaging Lab. So they're considering giving me even more responsibility for the lab, upping my semster stipend for Bay Managing from $200 to higher, and changing my title to something far more resume-happy. I'm supposed to meet with Nick sometime soon to figure all this out, but he's pretty sure they'll be able to get me more money, all for something I would have done anyway!

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:31:01 PM
IP: pemw-83.brynmawr.edu

*Sigh* Server crashes, accidentally displace my boot files and keep DOS from booting. Err ... not only do I have to go the the lab, but I have to grovel to the Techy room to get them to hook my Laptop to their machines so I can put the file back ... er ... Can only think of that ST:TNG ep. where the aliens kidnap Geordie ... 'Make our ship go ...' *Sigh*

Anyway the RP Equivelant of my weekend.

** Dust was disolving into night as he made his way from the river cusp to the next passage near the Eastern caves in what had originally been the Abbey Quarry until the stone supply had run dry. The cold winter air froze the forester's breath as drew his green cloak about him and progressed, his eyes scanning the shyline for more raiders ...
Senses alert, his nose and ears soon alerted him to creatures alien in the area ... a dog-creature had marked this territory recently ... a ~large~ critter, with a tainted smell to it ... a rider. The faint howl in the distance betrayed final proof that warg-riders were abroad. He sighed heavily before he broke into the run, schooling his body to betray no scent of fear. This was the price for living in the boarder provinces, I suppose.
The answering calls caught him entirely off guard, however. He could not help but start and drop into a crouch, white knuckling his blade as the howls rose from not fifty feet away. He paused, silent for a long moment, praying for the wind to be still, but he was no druid. As if O'Toole's corralary to Murphy's Law needed to assert itself, the wind pick up a light breeze, carrying his sent towards the wolf-riders. As the breeze picked up, Kaioto lept forth like a cheetah and took off as fast as he could at a pitched run.
It was perhaps a few hundred yards to the old quarry. If he was lucky, his head start would hold long enough for him to make the descent before they could find him. If not ... - A new tone took to the air from the warg-calls and a grutal horn split the air. - To bad that last thought had no ending.
The cliffside came up rather fast, but so were the sounds of pursuit. He peared down, perhaps sixty feet down, a few scattered trees and a lot of sharp rocks. He could start down the sheer face, where the warg's couldn't follow, but should even one of the Giak riders produce a bow or even a sling ... That was a risk that he couldn't afford.
Kaioto drew his sword and moved to the woods fringe where his trail ended and bent the nearest thick tree branch back about the tree ... **END RP**

Kristina: Loved LW. Loved the maps especially.

Xena: I'd have to say this quite simply. I pray I never have the responcibility of making that choice. If I were forced to choose between changing humanity and dying myself, I would hope I'd have the courage to die. I think it is a cardinal violation of the spirit to take away the choice factor in the way humans choose (or choose not to choose) to lead their lives. If I could change anything, it would be to insure that everyone was born with the same fundamental physical and mental abilities, that no one was born cruelly handicapped. Still, that is a thin line I'm deeply frightened to cross. I understand very little about God, but I know enought to understand that I assuredly do not want any greater part of that job than a normal human has.

Complaints: Hey, I read as much as I can whenever possible. I deal. It isn't easy, but I like the company. As for lives, what are the other dinzens of my dorms doing at this point? Likely the majority are finishing off the tail end of some alcoholic drink and engaging in the amazingly moving social interaction of 'Dude, what'd wan'na do?' 'I dun'no. What do you want to do?' 'Dude, I don't know. That's why I asked you.' 'Oh ... so what'd we do then' 'I dun'no ... I need another drink ...' So is the glory of college life, eh? The few people who actually leave campus on a night ... I just don't feel like choking on smoke, standing around being the only guy not drinking, and listening to dance-remix hip-hop crap running at 200 decibles ... That ain't my bag baby ... All in all, I'd rather read through some mildly entertaining RP, a few moving intellectual discussions, and a pile of entertaining stuff just strewn about ... beats actually doing course work ... :) As for long posts. Wouldn't it be just as bad if everyone posted short but there were twice as many people? I say, write away. The more thoughts are voiced without one person dominating everything, the better.

Tenete Lucem semper in memoria.

Thought for the day: 'Latin is a dead language/ As dead as dead can be/ It killed the ancient Romans/ And now it's killing me ...'
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:07:37 PM
IP: 141.133.117.47

Sevarius > Would that "The Mummy" commercial be for a movie based on the Anne Rice book by the name? That would be so cool. They need to do The Vampire Lestat soon, but take enough time to make it as great as the book and Interview.

football > Can't stand it. I despise it. It's a gift strait from the devil. Read Friday Night Lights if you doubt that. I live in the town tht book was written about (Odessa, Texas). It's rediculous, it's sad, and I want to take a .45 to school and shoot anyone on the team.

The caffine is seeping into my blood stream now. I need to go drill a hole in my head so I can forget a 216 digit number that is actually the true name of God.
Ordell - [jwaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 10:56:52 PM
IP: ppp-107.ode.cableone.net

Jewel: I thought I heard of a Good Omens pic. Wait a minute--"one of those guys from Monty Python"? Could it be....Terry Gilliam?? One can only pray!
As for the Sandman movie.....Jon Peters (the man who ruined the new Superman franchise as well) will rot in hell for all eternity. That is a promise.

Superbowl: YEAH!!! BRONCOS WIN!!!!
Sorry Falcons fans, I'm just a big Denver fan! And I love John Elway, it's gonna be a shame to see him retire.
Doug: I agree about the pre-game shows. I love football, but even I can't take SIX HOURS of pregame hype.

Superbowl Commercials: Some were pretty good. I liked the "Louie" (the Budweiser lizard) and WWF commercials. And the previews for "Wild Wild West" (with Will Smith), "The Mummy" (with Brendan Fraser--great looking effects), and "The Corruptor" (with one of my faves, Chow Yun-Fat). The best were the Victoria Secrets ads though. ;)

Batman Beyond: This show is impressing me. Today's episode was pretty good, especially the battle in the Batcave, amongst the relics of Bats' old villains. (BTW Robby, I loved the imagery of Bruce wearing the Grey Ghost's hat and goggles. As the Ghost was once his hero/mentor, he is now the teacher to Terry) We even got to see "the Commish" Barbara Gordon! My favorite scene, however, was Derek Powers explaining to Inque, "I have a condition." As his skin was falling off him.

Power Rangers: I always thought the Red Ranger could have kicked Green's ass anyday of the week. Instead of taking him on, however, he let him take his girl! (Pinkie. The one without a Brain)

Lullaby: Hey, I kinda like that song. But that's a great parody, Doug!

Wilek: I'm currently building a site. Unfortunately, it's at Geocities **collective groans come from the CR**

Complaint Guy: I was tempted to make this post several pages in length, just to piss you off. But that'd be mean-spirited.
Do we have lives? Yes. I think Doug said it best: we're all friends here, and friends generally like to talk to one another. About anything and everything. I don't know, maybe in your life you can have deep meaningful conversations by saying 2 or 3 WORDS to others, but some of us here feel better expressing ourselves in SENTENCES. Much like my friends outside the net, I like to talk to them about a multitude of topics. Same thing here. If you don't like the longer posts, don't read them.

****BEGIN JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY BIT****
Sevarius Jr. is sitting back on a couch, watching the game and talking to Michelangelo, one of the Ninja Turtles.
"So then my evil clone attacked me, and--"
Suddenly, Frankie runs up to SJ in a panic. <<SJ! Hurry, you gotta hide!>>
"What? What's wrong? Thailog? The Imperials? More clones???"
<<NO!>> Frank shouts. <<Remember Kari? Pretty girl, you danced with her last party? Came on the Dark Star with us?>>
"Yeah, I remember. Lovely girl, lotsa fun."
<<Let's just say that she's kinda peeved you ignored her so much while we were up in space.>>
"JUNIORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" a woman's roar sounds throughout the house, drowning out the sound of the tv.
"Oh crap."
*****PAUSE SUPERBOWL STUFF*****

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 10:37:33 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

**RP!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal ... everyone at the party reacting to the final score of the game. Coyote's ecstatic, jumping all around.**

WOO HOO! 31-19!! BRONCOS WIN!!

<"Boy, you're happy.">

Ohhh yeah, Rav. I'm happy and I'm slightly tipsy, too.

<"Uh oh ...">

Say ... the band's on break right now ... as long as the jukebox is going ... let's dance!

**Coyote stumbles a little over his feet as he lets Ravyn lead him to the dance floor.**

**PAUSE RP!!**

First off ... once again, thanks everyone for your comments on "Vinnie Quest." It'll help me keep my mind off of this blasted RL cold I have now ...

Doug: I would have gladly changed places with you ... I had to work today, sick as I am, because we're short three people (due to one heart attack and two firings). And now I'm working three nine hour days in the span of four days this week. Ugh. :P
As for Vinnie and Brooklyn as drinking buddies ... well, it seemed to make sense to me, seeings as how both of them are New Yorkers in Japan. Naturally, they're going to bond somewhat because they share a hometown.

Anonymous Complainer: Hey, lighten up! This isn't exactly the end of the world here. Do what I do, skim a lot. I get the gist of everything, plus I can go back for details that I might miss.

**RESUME RP!!**

**The jukebox has switched to a slower song as Coyote and Ravyn move to the center of the floor. As they begin dancing, Coyote looks over to see Tank Girl, still furiously firing rounds at the Power Rangers ... unfortunately, she's run out of twelve-inchers and taken to firing bottles of Labatt's Blue at them.**

I hope she's careful with those ... I don't want to have the entire tank smelling like rancid beer.

<"It'll be okay, man. Really.">

I hope so ...

<"Hey, c'mon, you wanted to dance.">

**smiles** Yes, I did.

**They continue dancing, celebrating the huge victory by the Broncos as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, January 31, 1999 10:08:31 PM
IP: modem75.i-is.com

Wilek: <g> Thanks about the website. Guess where the majority of my free time <snort> goes? As for writing, I can't write in anything vaguely resembling a linear fashion. So I've been working, since this summer, on everything from a revsion of "Turandot" through the last series of "Apokalypsis." All I do is make sure I *finish* them in order.

Neil Gaiman movies: I was talking to a friend of mine whose on the Neil Gaiman newsgroup. After finding out that one of my papers last year got mentioned (geez. Talk a little to a guy about your 27 page paper on 18th century French political pornography focusing on clerical sodomy and it ends up on a random newsgroup...) by someone I met at the signing, I also found out that there *are* plans for a "Good Omens" movie, and one of the guys from Monty Python will most likely be directing it. I'll find out about any plans for a "Death" movie. The "Sandman" movie causes Gaiman to go into a screaming rant, yelling he hopes the producer, writer, and driector all burn in preproduction hell.

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 10:06:42 PM
IP: pemw-83.brynmawr.edu

I can't hypnotize you without my link, can i?
Wilek again - [<hypnotic stare> O_o NOW visit me!]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 09:42:56 PM
IP: tnt-1-120-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Forgot something. >:)
Wilek - [<hypnotic stare> O_o Visit me! o_O Visit me! O_o Visit me!]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 09:41:43 PM
IP: tnt-1-120-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP!**

[Wilek and the rest of the team arrive at the med-lab, where SJ and Frankie have just killed SJ2. Wilek: "Are you two OK?" Frank: "He almost had us, but I took care of him. With SJ's help of course." Wilek: "Kewl. Your TIE Scimitar is being stealth-rigged as we speak, and we've got a black shuttle ready and waiting. Oh, good news...we're ALL coming to the party! I mean the whole team, not everyone on the Dark Star. The house isn't that big. Ack, I'm babbling." The team proceeds in the general direction of the docking bay; no one notices SJ2's hand still twitching. SJ: "What about Two?" Wilek: "The crew will take care of him."

**PAUSE RP!**

SJ> Kewl, you're writing fanfic? Here's a tip: Get your own site instead of depending on the GFW or the Avalon Archive. Trust me on this.

Power Rangers> I have to admit that I rather like some of their technology designs, especially the Zords and weapons, and Zedd is among the kewlest non-Gargs villains I've encountered. But on the whole, the plot and special effects are incredibly cheesy.

$What's in the fridge? Or do I even want to know?$

The Super Bowl> I'll never understand why it's so popular.

Jewel> <<just writing all the stories of "Apokalypsis" at the same time.>> You can do that?! Man. I've never been able to start one story until the last one's finished. Which is why I'm so slow. :) BTW, I was at your site earlier. Please don't take it the wrong way if I say YOU GO, GIRL! ^_^

Argent> <<#1: What would happen to gargoyles during a solar eclipse?>> I have no idea, probably stay in stone form.

Fire Storm> Welcome back! You've been sick? Ack, that always stinks. Glad you're feeling better though.

Complaining person> No comment.

**RESUME...NOT EXACTLY AN RP, BUT DARK MAGE WILEK HAS SOMETHING RP-RELATED TO SAY. RUN FOR THE HILLS EVERYONE.**

[Just as the team reaches the shuttle and the TIE Scimitar, DMW reaches into a pocket universe (think of Oberon's cape trick from The Gathering), and takes out his signed copy of the Necronomicon. He checks it for a Library Of Congress sticker and fortunately finds none. DMW: "Why does every nutcase I've ever run across seem to have one of these? I have one. Traveler has one. This Masked Lich had one. These Black Hawks or whatever their name is seem to have one. Even my blasted computer geek brother has one! I thought these were supposed to be RARE!" Wilek: "FYI, they're the Black RAVENS."]

**END WHATEVER THAT WAS**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, January 31, 1999 09:37:38 PM
IP: tnt-1-120-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

More respect from me, anyway.
Doug
Sunday, January 31, 1999 09:36:51 PM
IP: hil-c45-064-vty130.as.wcom.net

Firestorm: RP-only CR? Haven't we already discussed this several times? Look, thanks for the offer, man, but I wouldn't accept it myself. I don't come to CRs for just one reason, and don't think they should be created just for that. As your RP CR would. I come in here not just to talk about TGS, or do RPs, or comment on and plug fanfic, I come in here to see and talk to my friends. If I have a lot of things to say to them, sorry, that's the way it is. I don't think the RP's the problem, anyway. More of the posts' length is due to people discussing a great variety of topics and giving lots of comments on them. Besides if the RP were the problem here, Complainer would probably have referred to it by name. I think whoever it is is just here to insult us all and try to mold the CR to their liking. They're doing the latter rather sheepishly, I might add. Come out of the closet, whoever you are. Maybe then you'll earn some more respect.
Doug
Sunday, January 31, 1999 09:34:05 PM
IP: hil-c45-064-vty130.as.wcom.net

i agree with the complaint guy, it is kinda hard to read.....

of course, i partially contribute to that, so, what can i say?

um, still catching up with fanfic (it's an amazingly hard thing to do when you're IMing or talking on the phone or something, but i can't sit and stare at the screen for hours on end without feeling like too much of an idiot). once again, very good, but i'm on kind of an overload so i think i'll work on _my_ fanfic for a while, after this.

i just wanted to note that i have converted to people to this page today. aren't you proud? this is a great page and i think everyone (who is interested in Gargoyles) should become a regular. you guys really deserve it. it's obvious you put a lot of work into this but also had a lot of fun. i've said it before and i'll say it again: GOOD JOB!

yeesh, i hope i didn't sound like _too_ much of a suck up. it's the truth, honest.

but then who ever trusted a fae to be honest?
Princess Estra - [puck_wanderer@juno.com]
The passing realmSunday, January 31, 1999 09:27:59 PM
IP: spider-wb041.proxy.aol.com

<Fire Storm, who now looks like crap, strolls into the CR holding a bucket of a foul smelling fluidic-Solid.>
Sorry I haven't been on too much. I have been violently ill for the past day or two.

Complainer: It is easy to figure out who you are.
I did.

But you did bring up a interesting point: The CR does get awfully long. People talking alot, I guess... or is the the RP?
Maybe there should be a RP CR... Hmm... would my server support it?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 09:24:52 PM
IP: 209.117.148.166

Argent> they turn to stone I'm sure but don't sue me if they don't
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, January 31, 1999 08:02:25 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Complaint Guy (or whatever the heck your real name is): Sorry for the long posts, we didn't think anyone was going to set limits. Plus we have a lot to talk about in here with our great Internet friends. You ask if we have lives outside the CR. Yes, we do. At least Kitainia and I do. We have college to worry about, we both work, we play AD&D and hang out with our friends a lot, and I write fanfiction. Plus I like to play videogames, and watch TV. Like I'm doing right now (the Super Bowl). But this place is also a part of our lives. We have friends here, people that share common interests and opinions of ours, people who we can talk to when our lives are going wrong and get help from, people who make our lives worth living. And unlike how it is with real friends sometimes, with friends in here one can talk for a long time, pour out their feelings, discuss a variety of subjects, and occasionally even vent our emotions on beings born of our imaginations and creativity demons (such as Kenny and Mr. Dis Connect), without fear of being rejected for the way we feel, or having an important conversation interrupted somehow (people can post on the topics we discuss whenever they want, we don't have to worry about jockeying each other's schedules). We value these friends, and the main reason for our long posts, IMHO, is that we like to talk to them as much as or more than our RL friends. Chat and Comment Rooms were created to bring people together like this, people from all reaches of the world, and all walks of life. Bring these people together, and make them friends. I think here the experiment has been a success. C'mon, what do you want us to discuss in here? Just TGS and nothing else? Make the room boring and bland, and thus shorter and easier for you to read? Sorry, but I don't think I or my girlfriend, and probably not many others in here, are going to be doing that. We don't come here so often and talk so much because we have no lives. We come here because we have friends here, friends we want to stay in touch with and share our thoughts and feelings with. Friends who can understand our problems, friends who don't have a bus to catch or something else they want to discuss with you when you're trying to talk to them about something, friends to whom you can plug your fanfic and ask for feedback from without fear of annoying them too much. To me, the people of this room have proved to be this kind of friends, and I am pleased, no, honored to be able to talk to them so much. You seem to be the only one in here who thinks we talk too much, and as the majority rules in my life, I won't be following the opinion of one rather offensive and cowardly person. Sorry to disappoint you, pal. Besides, you don't control the CR. DumlaoX does, and I think he is perfectly okay with long posts. And with the continuance of the relationships this room has built. If you don't like our posts' length, skip over stuff. The subject heading of each paragraph is usually at the beginning, you don't have to read what you aren't interested in. That will solve a lot of your post length problems right there. As for your complaint, that's my answer. Hope you appreciate it.

Now I gotta go. I have to cheer on the Falcons and hope they score a touchdown. Later.
Doug
Sunday, January 31, 1999 07:46:07 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zon-vty29.as.wcom.net

************FORMAL COMPLANT******************

Okay, here is the deal.

I love the TGS board, but lately I can't come to read for one single reason.

THE POST ARE TOO LONG!!!!

I mean come on! It's one thing to have a couple of paragraphs. It's even alright to have a LONG, LONG one. BUT NOT EVERY OTHER POST!

Do some of you people have any lives!

Okay, I'm done. I can only hope this will change something
Not released for protection
Sunday, January 31, 1999 07:03:00 PM
IP: 207-172-150-215.s24.as11.anp.erols.com

Okay, feels a little weird using Bronx again

Pic Problems: Other then what Robby said, the only nit-pick I have is that the weird on the Weird Sister's is spelled w-i-e-r-d.

Cool fact: I was extremely bored in class one time, so I listed every variation I could think of for gargoyles. (Skin color, wing type, horn style, etc.) (JUST the ones I had seen on the TV show.) I did the math and figured out you could get
1,548,288 different gargoyles.

***RANDOM THOUGHT ALERT!!!***
#1: What would happen to gargoyles during a solar eclipse?
***ALL CLEAR***

***JIM'S PARTY***
(Argent takes two doughnuts from Deuce and gives the glazed one too Jewel*D. Argent munches on a custard- filled while watching the obnoxious multi-colored teenagers trying to avoid Tank Girl's shots. Unfortunately, they're suceeding.)
Hmmmm... *evil grin*.
(Borrows Jim's phone and makes a call. Minutes later, a space ship lands in the back yard and Argent's friend Skyver [An extremely talented computer hacker] walks in.)
"This better be good Argent."
"Oh trust me, it is." (The two converse quietly as Skyver sits down at a computer teminal. Skyver smiles.)
"I like it!"
(Logs on and begins to work. Several technical readouts flit across the screen, too fast to make out. Skyver turns to Argent.)
"There you go."
"Done already?"
"Yup, force field around the house and everything."
"Great. Now all we have too do is wait for them to call their Zords..."
(The pair turn to watch the Super Bowl.)
***LATER!***

Gotta Jet!
(Eight months 'till the new Dark Ages eps!)
Argent
Ohio, USA
Sunday, January 31, 1999 06:23:39 PM
IP: dyn-254.belpre.frognet.net

From where I'm sitting, it looks like the broken pictures are Archmage, Atalanta, and Phoenix Gate. As well, the "Adriana & Graeme" pic mispells Ariana's name... Anyone else notice any problems that my computer isn't picking up?

In other news... Just read an ad for a parachute. Never opened but slightly stained.

Today's cartoons- Today's episode was spiffy. They actually made a reference of sorts the the old "Grey Ghost" episode... (Its the costume Bruce wore... I think...) Men in Black had an interesting return of Alpha, and a ton of clones... But the real high point of this morning..

NEW BEAST WARS EPISODE! Yes! Not only have they brought in a new character, but they brought back Dinobot! Unfortunatley... They've screwed him up royally... He looks like a freakin' borg now... And his great personality seems to have died somewhat... Ah well... Unfortunatley, the blasted thing is a two parter! Oii! Ah well, you people get a new story in a few hours, and there's also Superbowl commercials later... Should be a fun night...

And that is MORE than enough posts from me in a row...
Robby
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:44:25 PM
IP: spider-ta042.proxy.aol.com

And lastly, Xanatos.

This had been a test of the CR image system. We are sorry for any problems this may have caused. You can go back to your regular postings now.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:20:39 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Una
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:19:30 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Adriana & Graeme
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:18:58 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Titania
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:18:03 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Teen Goliath
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:17:33 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Teen Demona
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:17:10 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Wierd Sisters
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:16:40 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Sharon Nimura
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:16:11 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Sata
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:15:43 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

The next few I seem to recall working just fine, but heck... If I'm cycling through them I may as well hit them all...

Rory
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:15:23 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Roland
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:14:17 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Richard Harrison
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:13:54 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Puck
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:13:24 PM
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Phoenix Gate
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:12:57 PM
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Owen
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:12:33 PM
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Ophelia
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:12:13 PM
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O'connor (Hey, thats the name of my high school!)
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Brook and Sata
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:11:11 PM
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Nudnik
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:10:42 PM
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Maeve
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:10:22 PM
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Lex and Loki have been used very recently, so Macbeth.
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Leo
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:08:13 PM
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Sara Jasper
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Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:07:41 PM
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Hyena (post Ultra Pack)
Anonymous
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:07:09 PM
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Human Lex
Robby
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:06:37 PM
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To quote Timone... "It starts." At this point I'm going to cycle through all the remaining pictures, though lots of them have already been checked, but not officially. I'm just gonna be thourough and go down the list, as honestly, I don't remember some of the ones that were skipped around... For conveniance sake, you may want to switch to text-only from here on in, or if you have a fast computer, strap yourselves in for a whole barrage of images... At this point, the record is that Archmage and Atalanta are broken... And here we gooo...

Human Brooklyn
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 03:06:11 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Okay I can see by both your message that you and Doug are an item. I've seen plenty of pictures of websites taken at the Gathering. I hope someday I make it to one. (smiles at the cute couple)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, January 31, 1999 02:29:53 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Kitainia: <g> No, not fast, just writing all the stories of "Apokalypsis" at the same time. I started the entire series at the beginning of July, and all of the stories are more or less half completed.

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 02:11:58 PM
IP: guildmac43.brynmawr.edu

And thanks Doug, for also explaining something I was wondering about. :)
Malibu Nylkoorb
Sunday, January 31, 1999 01:51:22 PM
IP: 38.31.45.144

Robby> I didn't think it was confusing at all. And, thanks for explaining that to me. I like to know all the details to anything I'm interested in, and I'm a big Timedancer fan, which is obvious since I mention it every time I post in here. ;)
Malibu Nylkoorb
Sunday, January 31, 1999 01:48:50 PM
IP: 38.31.45.144

Image check- Madoc, that delightfully evil lord of the Unseelie Court.

**RP HERE**

"Too bad he escaped," Doug nods at Jaden. "But we will get him next time." He turns to the others and begins helping them clear the road of Nazi corpses and other stuff. "These guys were given Borg implants," Keith says, checking one SS man's arm. "That's how come they could fire and reload so fast." Doug nods. "Thanks goodness we ran them out of ammo before we attacked." As he and the others begin throwing the bodies and other stuff into Lathrop's portal (where they will be consumed by the Plane of Elemental Fire), Doug turns to make a CR post.

**PAUSE RP**

Birdsong: I see your point. <grin> But like Kitainia said, I also believe the good guys of Gargoyles dressed well. As for Kitainia getting a big blue winged boyfriend, wait till this year's Gathering. I plan to come with her dressed like one. :)

Coyote: Great new fic. I loved the dialogue. Vinnie is also a great character, it's interesting to know he and Brooklyn are such good friends. $ Glad you'll be staying in the RP, and Kesslee is a great villain. $

SJ: $ Great RPs recently, hope you keep it up. $

Xena: How would I change humanity? I don't know. Maybe I would just get rid of Pastor John and all the dumb bigoted selfish people like him. Oh, wait, then life would be less interesting and I'd have fewer people to heckle and make fun of. Never mind.

Wilek: I thought that about Frollo, too. $ Too bad the Masked Lich is dead now, so we can't use your idea. Oh well, we do still have Bishop Galante in the RP, and parts of his character are very Frollo-like. <grin> $

Power Rangers: Make it stop, make it stop!! Ravyn is right about the Green Ranger being a good character, though.

Traveller: You want dragons? Well, check out my new fanfic. It has a couple in there for you to spot. And you're not the only one who's had the life sucked out of him by school. Except on weekends, it's the same for me.

Ironwolf: Willow rocks! Great character, and cute besides. Plus she reminds me of my first girlfriend.

Weird Al: I like him, too. I have all his albums. I think he should do a parody of Sean Mullen's Lullaby that goes soemthing like this- "She grew up hanging out in clubs and bars, terrorizing the city and ruining people's yards. Her parents were drug users, and with her they liked to share. They hung out with gang members, wanted criminals, and guys with bad hair...She feels safe now, in this bar on Fairfax. From the look on her face, I can tell she is content, she is relaxed. But just before she tosses her head to sigh, I shoot her with my gun and make her die! Now everything's gonna be alright, because she died, because she died..."
God, I hate that song. :)

She's All That: Kitainia already gave my opinion of this movie. It was pretty good, except for all the teenage stereotyping and occasional lame lines. And Rachel Leigh Cook looks better in those drug commercials.

Cat's in the Cradle: I love that song, it has such a good message. Weird Al's version is good, too.

ILS was taken down? Damn those people who forced it to go away. I got so many good lyrics from that place for my fanfic and filking. And I thought the Swiss had a policy of neutrality. (Guess I better call my pal Nick Holloway, Agony's invisble broker, who lives in Switzerland, and see if his Illuminatius wife can pull enough strings to get ILS back.)

Spike: Make it come sooner, please! This NFL Super Bowl pregame show (the only halfway good thing on TV today) is boring me to death. Whoever made it this long needs to be drug out into the street and shot several times. I want to see the game, not this! <growls>

Malibu: Graeme and Ari are supposed to be 18 (or 19 in my universe). That means Sata may already be carrying their eggs, and they'll hatch about halfway through the timedancing period. Probably in the season 2 finale, as each season covers ten years of Timedancing (I think). This is factoring in the ten years gargoyles spend inside their eggs before hatching, according to Greg Weisman.

Plug again: Yes, "Captives" is now up! So go read it, hopefully it will cure your pre-Super Bowl boredom. Writing it certainly did for me. Goliath's capture and Silvan's disclosure aren't the only things that happen in it. We also have Seth and Rachel both embark on quests, Mackovic working out a plan to take over the Illuminati, the introduction of a few new villains and possible conflicts, and Thailog. So go read it, and send me feedback, please. Remember, critiques and comments are better than stars. Thanks to all who do read the story, though. I appreciate your patronage. <mock bow>

Robby: Thanks. Glad you're checking it out. Hope you enjoy it, I put a lot of time, effort, and emotion brainstorming and writing this one. And the next two stories, which directly follow it in continuity, will have the same.

Okay, that's all for now. See everyone after the new episode's posted and the Super Bowl is won. Later.

**MORE RP**

The team finishes clearing the roadway (using an earth elemental Lathrop conjured up to move the larger pieces of debris) and Lathrop closes the portal, then sends his elemental away. As they are getting back into the truck, Doug's cell phone begins to ring. "Yeah?" he says, picking it up. "This is Sam. I'm waiting at the factory. Where are you guys?" "We ran into some trouble with an army of evil Borgified Nazi clones. They're dead now. We'll be there real soon." "Okay," Sam replies. "I'll continue the recon." Doug hangs up and they drive off. The screen then goes blank. To be continued.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 01:47:52 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zok-vty60.as.wcom.net

Image check- Human Angela and Broadway...

Hyena's real name- Greg never came up with her real name, so its fair game... And besides, someone else covered for me, saying it was just her cover story...

Malibu- Strap your self in, this could get complicated... Gargoyles mating cycles have a run of twenty years. Thats when they can breed, and since they have such a cycle, basically the entire clan is born at the same time, and the entire clan hits that point at the same time. But in Timedancer, Sata and Brooklyn missed the point where Sata's clan had their breeding season. Sata did NOT miss hers. Her mating season clearly comes up at some point during the timedancing journeys around her PERSONAL time of when her clan had theirs. Then, after being pregnant for six months to a year, she lays eggs, and THOSE take ten years to hatch... And basically, the cycle just holds off for another ten years... Grame and Ariana have been said to be 18 chronologically, so they're about 9 in gargoyle. Which means two or three years after Brooklyn and Sata arrived back home, they should be ready to mate again, unless they decide to skip out on it this time, or things happen to conveniantly work out so it times with Angela... Confusing? Well, thats not even getting into the fanfic that speculates breeding seasons are induced by the females themselves...

Power Rangers- I liked the Green Ranger, and then consequently, the White Ranger. They were both spiffy, and had cool costumes, vehicles and theme music. All the other Rangers weren't any fun at all. (Green had an interesting couple of flute solos, and White had that... "Aaaaaaah ahhh ahhh ahhhha... WHITE RANGER! TIGER POWER! White ranger tiger power!" Really, it sounds a lot better when heard rather than read...)

Doug- Reading your fic right now... Good start, so the rest will probably be good, as usual...

Creativity demon- Power rangers are attacking their enemies, and aren't hitting any of them, yet their enemies all fall to the ground like they've been hit. One of the villains asks why this is happening, and one of the rangers replies, "Oh, easy. We always make sure we have aa ranger with a shotgun in the trees to pick you guys off."
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 01:14:53 PM
IP: spider-tr054.proxy.aol.com

Pic should be Loki.

Quick Shameless Plug followed by the real post-

My latest fic "Captives" is now up at the GFW archive. Silvan has kidnapped Goliath, to give him a full disclosure on many things, including the true identity of Nick Mackovic and the current activities of the Unseelie Court. Go to GFW, read it, and (hopefully) enjoy! And of course I'd appreciate some feedback to the story by e-mail.

Be back soon with more,
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 01:08:23 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zok-vty60.as.wcom.net

**RP!**

**Ravyn is rockin' to the music of the band, cheering for the guest member on saxophone, Coyote. In between songs, Rav decides to head to the fridge for a Sprite. This time, there's no interruptions with Power Rangers along the way. As the fridge door creaks open, Rav screams. "It's living in the fridge!!!!!"

Slamming the door and running back to the band area, Rav decides to make some comments.** **END RP FOR NOW!**

Picture should be Elisa. :)

POWER RANGERS> Seriously, I did like this show after they introduced Tommy the Green Ranger. ;) And then the show just went downhill once he left. :( (BTW, did you know that he was one of People's 50 Most Beautiful People one year?) :)

Spike> Ooooh!!! You and your spoilers!!!!! ;)

Just a few more hours 'til the Super Bowl, everybody! Me, I'm not going for anybody. I'm watching it for the commercials. :)

**MORE RP!**
**Rav makes her way back to the dance floor in front of the band. She passes by Weird Al, who's talking to someone. <"Yes, I remember Larry...">

Rav smiles and shakes her head. Flopping down on a couch, she listens to the band and waits for kickoff...**
Ravyn Maza
Sunday, January 31, 1999 12:36:01 PM
IP: svm-ts2-6.c2i2.com

Me again...

Hey, I just thought of something...It might be explained in the upcoming season 2 of timedancer, but I just thought I'd throw in my $0.02 for discussion.

Okey. here goes..

- In "The Promise", Sata is told that she missed the mating season. Assuming that the mating season is every 20 years, as I've learned... The eggs would've hatched approximately 30 years into the Timedancing journey. (Give or take some time of course) Which would make Graeme and Ariana about 10 years out of the egg. (but that seems a little young, because gargs age at 1/2 the speed of humans)

- Or... What if it was possible that Graeme and Ariana were concieved soon after Brooklyn and Sata became mates... Then the eggs would've hatched approximately 11 years after the Timedancing began. (Again, give or take some time.) But that would make them 29 years out of the egg. (Even though gargoyles age at 1/2 the speed of humans, that still seems a little old.)

Of course a couple things to consider:

- Gargoyles age at 1/2 the speed of humans.

- I don't know how much a gargoyle matures when they're actually in the egg. If they mature quite a bit, it would lend some support to my first theory.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on that... I may have missed something, so if you have something to add... Or if you think I'm looney... well I am, deal with it ;)
Malibu Nylkoorb
Sunday, January 31, 1999 12:21:19 PM
IP: ip169.minneapolis6.mn.pub-ip.psi.net

Birdsong: <grin> No thanks. I'm completely happy with the boyfriend I have now. <hugs Doug and they both smile>

Later.
Kitainia
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:59:09 AM
IP: dal-qbu-zoi-vty31.as.wcom.net

Well Kitinia (possibly typoed sorry), maybe you can get Severius Jr to make you a large blue boyfriend with wings. :P
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:41:55 AM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Using the Ariana pic this time...

I just read "When the Bough Breaks part I" and am anxiously awaiting part II. I'm not going to post any spoliers, since everyone and their brother has done so already ;) I'm just going to say that it's a damn good story, and if the second part doesn't come out soon, I'm not responsible for my actions (J/K) ;)

As for Timedancer season 2, (no, I'm not asking when it's gonna start.. ;)) I can't wait to read more of Brooklyn and Sata's journeys :) My fave stories are "Fleeting Encouters", "Requiem", "Gros bon Ange" and "The Promise" :)

Anyway, that's all I have to say... Click my name to goto my website. :)
Malibu Nylkoorb
Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:36:20 AM
IP: ip169.minneapolis6.mn.pub-ip.psi.net

**RESOLVING RP CLIFFHANGER**

The Masked Lich has nearly finished his spell, but is then hit by gunshots from Jammer, Elena, and Gubio. This disrupts the magic, but the bullets don't seem to do very much damage. "Orion!" Kitainia shouts as the ML readies another spell and continues to laugh. "What do we do?" "Bullets will have little effect on him," the cleric says, finally remembering his undead lore. "To kill a lich you have to destroy his phylactery, the vessel that contains his soul." The ML, his second spell ruined, pulls out a wand and begins shooting fireballs at the party. This knocks them all back and down. "What would this phylactery look like?" Kitainia asks Orion as they duck back behind the motel wall. "It could be anything," Orion laments. "But it would have to be an object very special to him, and he has to keep it on or near his person at all times." Boris grins. "I think I know what it is." He aims his bazooka at the Masked Lich's mask and fires. The Masked Lich screams as the shell connects and explodes, splitting his mask in two along with the rotting face and skull beneath. Green and black light wells out of his body as his soul is released, then he collapses into a pile of dust that is worn away by the wind. "Is he dead?" Kenny asks timidly. Orion nods. "Correction," says Jammer. "Now we don't have to worry about him any more." Kenny and everyone breathe sighs of relief. "Okay," Kitainia says, as the motel disappears around them and they start loading their car. "Let's heal our wounds and get ready to continue on our journey to Vegas. You guys take care of that, I have to post." She turns to face the Comment Room.

**END RP 1ST HALF**

More thoughts on Willow: She's also one of the best-developed and most interesting characters on Buffy. That alone makes me a fan of her, it's just an added bonus that she also has good personality and looks.

"Cruel Intentions": This movie also looks like it has a good plot and characters, hope it's worth seeing for more than the sex.

Birdsong: True. But I can make the rest of her costume out of normal clothes, except for the badge and gun. And possibly the large winged boyfriend. :)

Weird Al: I too am a fan of his. Most of the time I like his parodies as much as the original songs. Christmas at Ground Zero, Lasagna, Achy Breaky Song, Amish Paradise, and I'm Fat are my favorites. I like the Cat's Cradle one too.

Deuce: Check my last post for a She's All That review with some spoilers. Hope you get to see the movie yourself, the experience of viewing a story on your own is always greater than hearing about it secondhand, at least in my opinion.

Blue: Thanks. I'll see if they have the book next time I visit the Undergraduate Library.

Robby: I was just checking the image I use the most when I use images in here. About Hyena, isn't her real name Hannah? At least according to Merlin Missy, it is.

Mandi: They stopped doing the stuff I ranted about? That's good. But I'm still not going to watch the new PR. I never did like them very much.

Coyote: I hope not. Good luck with the scanner. Also thanks for the info on the Hawaiian Bishop family.

Wilek: Thanks. Got the idea after remembering Han's thoughts on hyperspace travel in Star Wars Episode IV. Thanks also for that Chulthu site link. I enjoyed looking at it. I wouldn't vote for Chulthu myself, but it is interesting to think of what he might do if elected. :)

ILS's fall: That's terrible. I got so many great lyrics from that server, now I have to depend on sites associated with the specific bands. And they're probably next. And the corporatization of the internet goes on...:(

SJ: You're writing fanfic? Good. I can hardly wait to read it, hope it comes out soon.

Jewel: New fanfic posted already? God, you're fast.

Spike: Less than 24 hours? Speed it up, the cliffhanger you left has been bothering me all week!!

Speaking of cliffhangers, Doug will have a fanfic out later today or tomorrow that ends with some major ones. It might also contain the full disclosure of what's been going on in his universe with Madoc, Silvan, and Nick Mackovic (the latter's origin and true identity will be revealed). And there will be dragons! "Captives," coming out very soon. (Sorry for the Shamless Plug, Doug told me to do it. He'll post when the story gets up.)

That's all for now. Later.

**RP AGAIN**

The team finishes loading their car and drives off, headed down the road to Vegas. They pass a sign saying "Las Vegas, 280 miles." Meanwhile, Jerry and Tom's Range Rover pull up to the site of the Masked Lich's demise. They get out and look around for a while. Then Jerry pulls out his cell phone and calls Bishop Galante. "We just saw Kitainia and her friends battle some very demonic foes and kick their ass," he tells the corrupt cleric. "If she's demon-posessed, as you say, why would she be doing that?" "Demons fight each other all the time, Gerald," Galante replies. "You have to remember, the roads to evil are many and the minions of evil often violently disagree about which one to take. The same cannot be said for the one true path to the good wisdom of God." (He's wrong, but of course Jerry doesn't know that.) "Alright," Jerry says. "Fine. They're still headed for Vegas. Shall Tom and I remain on their trail?" "Yes. Once you and they get there, plant the device I have given you in the appropriate place. We shall eliminate the Ravens, and the city of sin all in one shot." Jerry nods. "Okay. I'll be sure to take care of it." He hangs up and turns to Tom. "Mission stays as planned. We plant the cleansing bomb in Las Vegas. Let's go." Tom nods, looking a little unsure. But he still gets into the Range Rover with Jerry and they drive off. The screen fades out.

**END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 08:57:18 AM
IP: hil-c45-049-vty114.as.wcom.net

Today has been an incredibly eventful day. I moved into a new room (I finished 30 minutes ago), got free tickets to a movie for the second time in as many weeks (it pays to be a Mawrter [slang for Bryn Mawr student, pronoucned the same as "martyr"]. My friends and I got tickets last week for bitching because we didn't get to see the credits, and this week we got tickets for turning in $47 dollars we found on the floor when we were leaving the movie theatre. We saw "Prince of Egypt" the first time, and saw it again this time. I think God is trying to tell us something...), and I've unintentially become drunk. Ooops. The result of the last, of course, being that my posting will be more rambling but have fewer spelling errors than ever because I'm checking for them this time, because I'm being overly careful. Normally, when I move, I take a shot or two afterwards so I won't wake up the next morning in pain (moving a whole lot of cr@p from one from room to another dorm is tiring and draining and usually leaves one's body singing grand opera the next morning). Unfortunately, my "shot or two" was an entire glass of rum. And since all I ate on Saturday was dinner, a pathetic little glass of Bacardi is hitting me *waaaaay* more than usual. Oh, well. I'm just annoyed because I usually know *waaaaaaaaaaay* better.

SJ: Neil Gaiman didn't mention anything about a "Good Omens" or a "Death" movie, probably since no one asked him about it. Neil seemed kind of iffy about the idea of Richard and Door, and gave off the impression he was adding more romance because it was what Hollywood wanted. Although, personally, I think something was beginning to happen between the two. He hedged a bit on whether or not they would get into a relationship in the sequel.
Oh, and he said the marquis' brother was *far* worse than the marquis. So this shall most definitely be interesting...

Shameless plug: For any of you who might not check the other CR, I posted part three of "Apokalypsis" toady: "Nell'ora della morte" [in the hour of our deaths]. You can go to fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org or click on my website. Oh, and feedback is always greatly appreciated... =)

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, January 31, 1999 01:22:53 AM
IP: pemw-84.brynmawr.edu

****BEGIN RP****
SJ2 wastes no time, immediately attacking Franke with the laser scalpel. Frank, who's had many years more experience as a fighter, anticipates Two's move, and ducks even as the clone leaps at him. One quick chop of his hand sends the scalpel flying out of Two's grip. The odds become even.
"You can't stop me, freak. I'm superior in every way!"
<<Tell that to Mr. Doc Martin, pal.>> Frankie gleefully plants his tremedous boot right in Two's ugly mug. Quickly, he follows up with a series of pummeling blows. But the clone retaliates, grabbing a med table and, using his augmented strenght, lifts it over his head and uses it as a makeshift club, sending Frank crashing to the floor.
Sevarius Jr. tries to help, tackling his evil double around the knees and bringing him down. He realizes that, while noble, it wasn't the most brilliant of moves, as Two grabs him by the neck, choking him. As Frank groggily gets to his feet, the clone holds SJ in front of him, using him as a shield. "Move," Two growles. "And he gets it."
A standoff ensues.....neither side is sure what the other will do next....until SJ, remembering his Monday Night Wrestling, swiftly kicks backward--his leg perfectly colliding on target with his twin's crotch. Two howls in pain, and releases his 'brother'. It's all the distraction Frank needs.
Frank, perhaps the first attempt by man to achieve the godlike power of creation, begins to pound on SJ 2. Huge, hammer like fists rain down on the clone, beating it into submission. Unable to amount an offense, the clone succumbs to the beating. With one, quick merciful jerk, Frank snaps Two's neck. Broken and battered, the body of the evil clone falls to the floor.
****PAUSE RP*****

Sorry again for the long RP. I promise not to get behind like this again.

Jewel: Hey, I heard that at that Gaiman meeting, he talked about both a possible "Good Omens" movie, and an upcoming "Death: High Cost of Living" picture. Any word on this? (A Death movie would be PERFECT!)
About the Neverwhere movie....I'm glad there's gonna be more romance b/w Richard and Door. They just always seemed to click, IMO. Plus, the Marquis' brother? I got to check that out!

Follow-up Crusade post: The good news: the show has NOT been cancelled. The bad news: It looks as if TNT is dropping it, so it'll have to find another network to air on. Which can be extremely bad, if you know anything about what hell is was finding a network to air the fifth season....But I have heard that the Sci-Fi channel may be the new home for Crusade...

Robby: Say, how long will the Superbowl party go on? Longer than tomorrow? Please???

Deuce: Please email that song. And nice bit of ultra-violence you got going on there! :)

Cthulhus: Like Christine said, if anyone can find one for me, I'll buy it (within reasonable price. I ain't paying 100 bones for one!).
BTW Wilek, I loved that site. "Cthulhu for President. Why vote for the lesser evil?" Now THAT is a great campaign tag line!

Kitiana: Necronomicon! "Necronomicon Exmortus....the Book of the Dead. Bound in human flesh and inked in human blood. It contained bizarre burial rites, and demonic incantations...it was never meant for the world of the living." Hey, glad to see it pop up in your RP.
As for me writing fanfic....I AM writing some. But I'm also the king of procrastination, so I hope to get a couple stories done and up on the net (optimistically, of course) by the end of the summer. I'm pretty green, so nothing spectacular.....but I'm gonna try hard. Thanks for saying I should write some, I take that as a compliment. :)

***RESUME RP****
The security detail that Wilek called rushes into the med lab, only to see Frank and SJ resting after their battle. The body of Two lies on the floor beneath them.
"I....I only wish I could have made him see what he was doing was wrong. I think he would have listened to me." SJ mutters.
<<It was the only way.>> Frank condoles. <<Maybe some time at Jim's Superbowl party will cheer us up.>>
"Yeah!" SJ says, a smile lighting up his face. "After the last few days, I think I need a little R&R." He rushes off to prepair the TIE Scimitar for departure.
One of the security officers turns to Frank, and points at the body. "What do we do with that, sir?"
Frank thinks for a moment. <<Bury him at space. It'll be best that way.>>
The security detail does just that.....but they don't notice that Two's right hand begins to twitch ever so slightly.....
****END RP****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 11:20:44 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

Spike: Thanks. Just trying to cover my own butt, y'know? Never know *what* folks will accuse you of stealing. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:36:51 PM
IP: modem76.i-is.com

Yes Robby thanks for cheering me up
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:36:46 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Image check- One of my main dudes, Griff!

Timedancer season 2- I've already explained this like three times in the last two days, so I'll give it its own post... We don't know exactly when the new season starts. Technical difficulties. Some of the stories are taking longer to finish than anticipated. If things go really, really well, maybe it'll start as soon as next week. If not, soon. Just wait a little longer people, the stories ARE worth the wait!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:33:37 PM
IP: spider-ti064.proxy.aol.com

Coyote>> Heh... don't let it worry you. *L* My Bishops are fictional but you want to know a weird thing? In November the Dallas Morning News ran a story about a ranching family from Shackelford County, a place I'd picked from a MAP for certain geological features, that was almost a deadringer for the Bishop family, down to their family history. (Okay, without Gargoyles, hybrids, or manure bombing.)

Coming in less than 24 hours.... the first casualty in the Second Unseelie War.
When The Bough Breaks -- Part Two.
Spike
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:22:02 PM
IP: dal-as1-1212.cmpu.net

Say when is Timedancer Season 2 starting up?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:19:14 PM
IP: 155.new-york-36-37rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

**RP!**

[At the party, Shenzi hears Jim's explanation of her, and cackles smugly to herself. They believed her cover story!]

**PAUSE RP!**

Gorebash> Should have said it last time: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FIXING THE ROOM! :D

Midsummer Night's Dream movie> Michelle Pfieffer as Titania? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Weird Al song lyrics> Oh...we seem to be confused; I was talking about the music not the lyrics. My fault; I should have made it clearer. :)

Robby> <<I've read a description that describes him as gay and effeminent>> Funny you should mention that. I once read that, anticipating such complaints, a scene was written wherein Scar propositioned one of the female lions (Sarabi I think). Guess why it was cut. Oh...you read all of TGS in one weekend?! Wow. The best I did was to read all of Timedancer in one night. <<Seems I've become a jerk... A real knee biter...>> Ah, don't beat yourself up about this, anyone can have an off day. :)

Traveler> <<Spree killing, sure, why not? Dumping a few hundred gallons of LSD or some other mind altering substance into a town's water supply then sitting back and watching the fun, alright. Just be sure you bring a video cammera and lots of blank tapes. Masterminding a state wide power outage on New Year's EVE 2000 just so you can top everyone else's "what I've been up to" story at your 10 year High School reunion.>:)), sounds like a blast.>> ROTFLMTO!!!

More Lion King weirdness> The plot is essentially that of Shakespeare's Hamlet.

Cthulhu fans, I dare you to click my name. >:) At least he won't be having any affairs...

Coyote> Great new story! ^_^

The fall of the International Lyrics Server> I heard about this at www.vgmusic.com, and the organization who shut it down also seems to have done something to another of my favorite music sites, laurasmidiheaven.simplenet.com. :/

$Kitainia> Should have said this last time: It was kewl how you disposed of those Star Destroyers!$

**RESUME RP!**

[On the Dark Star: "This is Nereus to Sevarius Jr...SJ, where are you?" SJ2's voice answers, "Heh heh heh...he's not available just now. Can I take a message? HAHAHAHAHA!" Wilek: "Oh...my...Get a security detail down there, NOW!"]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:07:04 PM
IP: tnt-2-79-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Image Check- Graeme, though this one also worked recently...

"Seems to me I ordered sweet and sour pork... But Garfield's on my fork... He's purring here on my fork..." Listening to the "Cat in the kettle" and I can't stop LAUGHING! This thing is so funny! It's kinda sick, but funny!

Greg- When I read all of the TGS in one weekend, at the time season 2 hadn't started, so there were a few less episodes. And while I did get sleep, I um... Have no life... Its more pathetic than it is an accomplishment.

James- AH geez... Thats the second frown face I've gotten today... Now I'm feeling depressed... Seems I've become a jerk... A real knee biter... **Slaps self twice** Better... I hope...

Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:01:15 PM
IP: spider-ti064.proxy.aol.com

"Vinnie Quest" comments: Thanks everyone who has made a comment about Volume #30, thus far.

Kitainia: Well ... after going back and forth with Acer tech support for about a month, they've decided that the scanner *itself* is bad ... so as soon as we pack this one up and send it, they're sending us a new one. Hopefully that one won't be as bothersome to install as this one has been.

And to circumvent any discussion about my co-opting the name Bishop from Spike's fics ... a little background on the *real life* Bishop family in Hawaii ...

The Bishop family has been *the* richest family in Hawaii for over a hundred years now, having built their fortune on import shipping. They own an incredible amount of property in the state of Hawaii, including a museum of Hawaiian history (the Bishop Museum in Honolulu), even including an entire Hawaiian *island* (they own the deeds to the entire island of Kaho'olawe.). The roosting place for the Hawaiian gargoyles, therefore, is the roof of the Bishop Museum. In fact, the Bishops are so wealthy, it probably wouldn't have been much of a problem for them to hide an entire gargoyle clan ... *plus* the family's interest in preserving Hawaiian history led me to the decision to be custodians of Clan Honolulu because they seem to be guardians of long-lost societies ... as the Hawaiian monarchy has become.
Besides that ... the only other major landmarks they could roost on would be the Dole Cannery water tower (which is shaped like a pineapple) or the Royal Hawaiian Hotel, and since I've seen the roofs of both of those buildings ... but not that of the Bishop Museum ... I put them on the roof of the Museum.
There. Just to clarify. Spike, these Bishops are *not* your Bishops, they just coincidentally happen to have the same name.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 30, 1999 09:22:05 PM
IP: modem76.i-is.com

FIFTEEN MINUTES TO THE INSANITY FESTIVAL!!!! CLICK MY NAME, COME JOIN US AT THE VACUUM CLEANER ROAST!!!! <G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria, Saturday, January 30, 1999 09:12:22 PM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

Okay Robby you made your point ]:(
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 09:11:12 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Ack! Double posting! I'm sorry! And I wonder why I try to avoid long posts...Sorry, all. Didn't know the Submit button got smacked.
Mandi Ohlin
Saturday, January 30, 1999 08:57:41 PM
IP: 144.175.17.229

Okay, a little catchup here, but nothing major.

**WARNING! THOUGHTS ON THE WHOLE POWER RANGERS DISCUSSION TO FOLLOW! SKIP IF YOU'RE SICK OF IT!**

Note - Most of my knowledge about what happens on this show is due to babysitting relatives.

Okay, I've got to admit that yet ANOTHER Power Rangers show is really pushing it now - especially since they wiped out all the bad guys at the end of the Space series. But you know how they're going to keep interest? Dump the old cast and throw in yet another bunch of people. They actually did break the usual monster-growing pattern Kitania ranted about to an extent that last season, too.

Interesting note: there is some good PR fanfic out there. No, really - anything by Ellen Brand, Jeremy Ray Logsdon, Cheryl Roberts, or Naomi Tilley is ten times better than any of the episodes on TV. (Of course, Ellen's managed to circumvent and explain every d@#$ plothole on the show, and Cheryl and Naomi write mostly "real life" stuff.) But, yeah, I think the show should end. (Although they could have at least done a shirtless scene with...) **Mandi covers her mouth to keep herself from naming names**

**END ANYTHING PR-RELATED!**

Alapalooza> Heh, I have that album too, although I lent it to a friend while I'm at school. Another notable track is "Achy Breaky Song," which I can really relate to! I hated that f@#$*& Billy Ray Cyrus song when it came out. ("Don't play that song/That achy breaky song/I think it's driving me insane/Oh please don't play that song/That irritating song/I'd rather have a pitchfork in my brain..") I think those are the lyrics.

**RANT COMING! BUT PLEASE READ, SINCE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT MIGHT INTEREST SOME PEOPLE!**

Speaking of lyrics...I've got to rant here, sorry. Anyone check out the International Lyrics Server lately? Well, get this - IT'S BEEN SHUT DOWN!! The National Music Publisher's Association (NMPA) apparently sued them for Internet copyright infringement. Guess how they want to settle the dispute? To have the Lyrics Server "become an authorized outlet for lyrics, owned or sanctioned by the NMPA, an industry trade group." Basically, they want the Lyrics Server, a non-profit, non-commercial site, to go commercial under them and take a portion of advertising revenues. Swiss police literally went and seized the computers of the site's technical consultant!

Now I'm just a bit ticked off at this. To an extent, I can understand copyright problems with unauthorized MP3 distribution, TV video files, et cetera, but LYRICS?? For crying out loud, why doesn't the film industry go sue the Internet Movie Database for publishing user info and rumors about films and TV? And the fact that they want it to go commercial makes me suspect that this isn't about copyright infringement - the NMPA just wants more money. Not to mention that there's going to be a lot of problems if the site is made legit. Grrr.

Anyway, I'm done. Click on my name to go to the Lyrics Server's opening page. There's a link to a couple of news articles about this.

**END RANT**

Midsummer Night's Dream> I'm looking forward to it too. The cast looks really appealing, according to the IMDB: Michelle Pfeiffer as Titania, Rupert Everett as Oberon, Stanley Tucci as Puck (although I wonder about that casting, esp. after seeing Winchell), Calista Flockhart as Helena, Christian Bale as Demetrius, David Strathairn as Theseus, and last but not least, Kevin Kline as Bottom. Heck, I'd just see it to see Michelle Pfeiffer fawning over Kevin Kline in the donkey's head...hehe...

What can I say? I love everything I've seen with Kevin Kline. (Four words: A Fish Called Wanda.)

**SPOILERS FOR COYOTE'S LATEST**

Great characterization with Vinnie. I loved the dialogue, and the bit about the "neat toys" had me cracking up. Coyote, don't worry, this experiment was a success.

**END SPOILERS**

Traveler> **blush** Thank you. I'm happy with it now, really. I suppose I need to explain why it drove me up the wall. Sam initially came out of a character sketch by Shadow Master for a crossover story arc, and he let me play with her in my series. (I'd give you more details about the crossover's nature, but then we'd have to kill you.) The big problem: he got a little over-suggestive with "Night Shift" when I relented and let him beta read it for me as I wrote it. Most of his suggestions would have added to the complexity of the situation, and I was already having trouble with a logistical problem - how to incapacitate the rest of the security force prior to the big finale. (The gerbil idea was a quickie solution.) It also took a lot longer than I expected, and further pushed back other fic ideas that have been floating around forever. So don't get me wrong, I did like the story when I finally got it done, but the writing was not the most enjoyable process. I'm glad you liked it!

**People who asked about Timedancer are staring at her, and she realizes she's wearing a TGS staff pin** I'm a newbie, I have no authority to say. Uh, Todd?

Canceled shows> They're canceling Cupid?? They have the nerve to put it in a time slot against Frasier and then cancel it?? Makes you wish NBC would pick it up and stick it in a lineup with Providence, which might work.

Okay, this is bound to be a long one. **Mandi scans her post for percent marks** Okay, I think it's safe to submit. Let's hope.

Timedancer> Uh, Todd?

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 08:55:00 PM
IP: 144.175.17.229

Robby> You read all of TGS in one weekend. That is PHENOMINAL! How did you do that? Did you get ANY sleep at all? All of them? All the episodes to date?

Congradulations Robby. On behalf of the staff I hearby give you the title of "Fanatical Fan of TGS"

::Confetti flys around the room and all members of TGS staff shake Robby's hand. All cast members from every episode of TGS and the spinoffs come out to cogradgulate their one of their biggest fans::

Bye
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 08:52:20 PM
IP: spider-wa011.proxy.aol.com

** JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY** (Warning: Lotsa Weird Al references in the following RP)

The situation between Brooklyn and Demona has diffused, and as the Monkees play with an assist from Coyote on Saxphone. Suddenly, someone yells, "Hey LUCY! I'M HOME!" The music keeps playing, and the voice shouts again. "STOP THE MUSIC!" The music stops, and a spotlight focuses on Weird Al.
"Jim! I like the TV, but I thought I was supposed to provide the music for your parties! Whats the deal?"
"You were late Al. The Monkees were on hand. Where were you?"

**END JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY FOR NOW...**
Image Check- George Harrison. Though this one worked last Monday, it try to be thourough...

Traveler- Considering you pulled a lyric from "Frank's 2000 inch TV" I assume you are also a Weird Al fan... And it DOES come with a 3 year warranty for parts and labor...

Exin- No idea what you're talking about, but you mentioned Asrial vs. Cheetah, so I guess you're an Antarctic Press fan...

James- It seems to me you misunderstoof me... I read all of the TGS in a weekend, not just Timedancer...

Argent- Well Colleen, it seems you and Mr. DC are not enjoying each other's company... Then, most people aren't... He's a lot less liked than Kenny ever was! I'll save a power ranger for ya...

Midsummer's Night Dream- I'll probably see it, but won't be able to help but think of certain Trek cast members who should have gotten the parts...

Coyote- Loved your latest fic, but then, I'm biased being the Vinnie fan that I am.

Kitainia- How did your image check get all the way to Sharon? Also, who says my description of Shenzi the Caterer's origin WASN'T of Hyena? We never learned her real name after all... It could have been Janice Em! It just never occured to me that she was Hyena! Covert to the old way if ya want, I was just going on the dare...

James again- Actually, a Jacket CAN make a costume, especially with characters that look human. I mean, in Elisa's case, a black shirt and some jeans are only part of it, the jacket completes the outfit!

The One Eyes Sqid- Do you realize the abbreviation for your name comes out as "Toes"? Anyhow... I've heard Christmas at Ground Zero many a times...

Deuce- I have heard the exact parody you're talking about... VERY FUNNY. Especially since I liked "The Cat's in the Cradle", and I have reason to believe the parody was actually done by the original artist... Um, could you e-mail me a copy anyway? I didn't save it when I got it, and can't find where I got it before...

Mandi- Check the archives of the last party, and you'll note that someone started to play Achy Breaky song, and Al saved the day by going into his parody... I have the same feelings about that song as you do.

** MORE JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY ** (With a LOT of Weird AL references)
"Well, I'd gotten on a bus, I was another one to ride the bus.. I was headed down to Minnesota to see the biggest ball of twine in it, but ended up in Jurrasic Park, which is quite frightening in the dark. Then I stumbled accross an Amish Paradise. I ended up stuck in a closet with Vanna White where I met my girlfriend, who later turned out to be a mime. I made a living pretending to be a surgeon."
"I see," Jim nods. "What about Harvey?"
"Harvey the wonder hampster is just fine, but he got caught up in a mess involving some radioactive hampsters from a planet near Mars."
"Again?"
"Yeah... Well, if I'm not providing the music,can I get some food? My girl just wants to have lunch, and I'm kinda hungry. Had a boogie on my finger earlier, but that isn't much..."
"Eww... Jim says aloud. "The kitchen is over there."

Al gets to the kitchen, and opens it to find something is living in there. He avoids it, and looks for some lasagna and bologna. He opens the freezer, to see some Rocky Road ice cream. "I LOVE Rocky road!"

Elsewhere at the party, Robby is having fun with Heather, when Vinnie arrives. Robby examines Vinnie, and gets a weird look on his face. "Gee... I think I'm a clone now."

** END JIM'S SUPER BOWL PARTY FOR NOW... ** Tomarrow is the actual Superbowl... Which means a couple tricks I've been saving get pulled out...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 08:31:27 PM
IP: spider-wb051.proxy.aol.com

Greetings, and thank you everyone for making me feel welcome here.

Xena: Obviously, that is one tough question! :-) I have several ideas, but it would take me close to an eternity to decide which choice would ultimately benefit everyone the most.

Kitainia: I found the title and author of that book I mentioned. It's "The Nurture Assumption" by Judith Rich Harris. I read in a magazine somewhere that she cites the example of her adopted daughter turning out badly as evidence that parents are not the dominant environmental influence on children, peers are. But I haven't read the book yet, so don't take my word for it. Personally, I don't agree with her extremist view though. It's a combination of many factors, including parents, peers, and genes that determines how a child will "turn out."

Age> Oh, I think I'll have to re-evaluate the range to the 30's. Anyway, I'll be 19 in about three months, not that anyone really cares to know. *wry smile*

I am definitely anticipating Part 2 of "When the Bough Breaks." I know this is belated, but... Great Job, TGS writers!
All right, farewell, everyone!

Blue Caeru
Saturday, January 30, 1999 07:52:24 PM
IP: ppp-11-ts27.nerdc.ufl.edu

Image better work - Rory

***SENSELESS VIOLENCE RP!***

** Deuce enters Jim's living room with two bags of donuts. One bag he distributes to EVERYBODY there (it's a modification on the technology of Santa's bag), and the other he holds onto. Spotting Kenny, Dis, and the Edmonton Journal's movie reviewer, Marc Horton, he walks over with the second bag. **

***PAUSE!***

BLAST! My mom insists that she must MEET my friends before I go to movies downtown with them. Curses curses curses.... Anyway, to ANYBODY who's going to She's All That this weekend, do the spoiler thing, eh?

*laughs* I got the coolest song via e-mail last night. Anyone ever heard "The Cat's in the Cradle"? Well, this is a Chinese food song, appropriately titled "The Cat's in the Kettle at the Peking Moon". Hehehe.... Anybody wants it, I'll e-mail it.

ONEEYEDSQUID> "Christmas @ Ground Zero"? I love that song!

***MORE KILLING RP!***

** Kenny eats his donut immediately, swallowing it whole. After a few seconds, it expands by a factor of 5.6�10^7, popping him wide open.

** Dis Connect looks at his dount strangely, but finally swallows it as well. (He obviously forgot the half hour I spent this morning trying to get connected, not to mention the CR's mysterious off-lining.) Dis's donut was loaded with tricordrazine, and he screams and runs around maniacally, tripping over one of the cables for the 2000" TV. He lands on an exposed wire and fries.

** Marc Horton's donut is in the shape of a star, symbolic of the one star he gave "She's All That". He eats it. Marc's stomach acid dissolves the outer coating of dough, revealing a titanium ninja star. The star begins spinning incredibly fast, liquifying Marc's insides. He collapses, a lifeless sack of blood. **

I had to get that out of my system before the rules get posted. >:-)

***END DEATH!***
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Saturday, January 30, 1999 07:51:32 PM
IP: pppa72.connect.ab.ca

***Spoilers for When the bough breaks, as if anyone still needs them at this point***

This episode just can't be described with my vocabulary, and I mean that in a good way.

I can't beleave how calious George is being toward his own kid. I mean I knew he was ethicaley challenged before, but I had no idea he would be so heartless as to even consider sacraficing his own kid for himself. I think when it comes down to it he will have to make a hard choice, and that he could go either way. If he makes the wrong choice though, or even if he makes the right one Richard will have to shoot him.

The post card George sent his mom give's me a thought. Madoc comes out with his own line of post cards and sends one to Oberon with the words "Wish you were here" written on it. As for the picture, use your imagination.

Also, I'm starting to wonder how trustworthy Umbriel is. Here he is acting rather friendley toward the halflings, but there's just something about him. I don't think he's on Madoc's side but I don't think he'll stand with our hero's either. I think that he'll end up playing both sides against the middle.

***End Spoilers***

Angel Series: While I do think this will be a great show, and I will definetley watch it, I'm worried that Buffy won't be as good without Angel in it. Spinoffs are almost never as good as the origonal series. So we'll end up with two good shows, but quite franckley I'd rather just have one really great show.

Wierd Al: "Ever heard Christmas at ground Zero"

That's all for now _ TheOneEyedSquid
TheOneEyedSquid - [Sigma28@aol.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 07:11:41 PM
IP: spider-wa034.proxy.aol.com

You're right of course Kitiana but a jacket hardly makes a costume
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 06:51:55 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Image check- Sharon Nimura

**RP ACTION**

Traveller and the Masked Lich, both with Necromonicons, begin trying to wrest control of the movie monsters from one another. "I have to have the original!" the ML raves. "This book was in Area 51-A right next to a bunch of other nifty old artifacts!" "Sorry," Traveler grins. "I was in Area 51-A a long time and switched the Necromonicon they had there with your Library copy, which by the way, has amassed over a billion dollars in overdue charges." ML glares at him and starts flipping through the book for a spell. "Yes!!" he suddenly cries. "Here it is! I shall summon the most powerful demon of all time!" He casts the spell before anyone can stop him, consuming all the remaining paralyzed movie monsters in sudden energy bursts. Kitainia and the others step back as the plush Chulthu toy leaps out of the Ravens' car, grows to enormous proportions, and is suddenly posessed by the real Chulthu. "Yes, yes!!" the Masked Lich screams as it continues to grow. "You shall die now, Ravens!!" "Traveler, find the counterspell!" Tricia screams as Kenny faints in fright, Janice and Elena scream, and Boris and Gubio both begin whimpering loudly. Jammer makes some inane comments about dangerous dolls, remembering how he finished off both Chucky and his bride earlier (forgot to mention it). Orion prepares his most powerful banishment spell, but even he looks worried. From their post nearby watching the chaos, born-again pranksters Jerry and Tom look at each other and wonder why the girl they thought was demon-posessed and her friends are being attacked by such obviously demonic entities. As the Masked Lich begins laughing maniacally, and Chulthu's sentience begins to awaken, Kitainia turns to make what she hopes is not her last CR post.

**PAUSE RP FOR NOW**

$ Uh oh, major trouble here. I guess those dolls can be dangerous. Who would have thought one of them could serve as an avatar for the Masked Lich's most powerful summoning? Oh, s^&t. Better make some comments before it attacks. $

**BEGIN SHE'S ALL THAT REVIEW- SPOILER WARNING**

She's All That: Just got back from seeing it. The critic said it was dumb, and he was partly right. Most of the movie's characters were blantant stereotypical cliches, and really boring even if they did serve as good plot devices. The movie could also have done without all those Real World sequences. I hated that show more than anything on MTV, and seeing them only rekindled bad memories. There was also a lot of lame dialogue and parts I didn't get. Thankfully, though, the movie was saved by the preformances of its two leads. Both were characters I could easily relate to, expressed teen emotion and conflict well, and I think the actors who played them did great first-time (I think first-time) preformances. Plus there was good romantic chemistry, and that's always a plus. And their characters developed throughout the movie instead of remaining static, that was also good. And a nice contrast to most of the other teenage characters in there. I also loved the device Laney used to make that jerk Drew deaf. I need one of those. <My RP character will of course be picking one up once we get to Vegas> So this movie gets a 7/10. Good plot and characters, but mostly bland and boring in other stuff.

**END SPOILERS FOR SHE'S ALL THAT**

SJ: Saw the trailer for "Cruel Intentions" while we were at the movie. It looks good, it's now on our list. And not just because of a possibly nude Sarah Michelle Gellar. (Believe it or not, Doug isn't the only one of us who enjoys seeing that kind of thing.) $ BTW, I loved your scenes with Frankie and the SJ clone. Brilliant lines and development! You should be writing fanfic. $

Ironwolf: I'm a Willow fan too. You wouldn't believe how much fun Doug and I got out of that Valentine's Day episode and the one where she's a vampire. Both while watching the episodes and afterwards. <grin> And I also would like to see an episode devoted to Oz. He's one of the show's three major hunks (the other two being Spike and Xander), and I like his sensitivity.

Christine: Hey, isn't your husband a games and comics store owner? I'm sure he can get a Chulthu doll for you very easily, without you having to go through us. Oh wait, hold on, isn't he also a character of Chulthu paraphenalia? Maybe you want to surprise him with a birthday or anniversary gift. Okay, if that's the case, we'll be happy to help. Just e-mail Doug or myself the shipping instructions, and we'll pick one up for you ASAP.

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR COYOTE'S LATEST FIC**

Vinnie Quest: I loved the dialogue in this one. And the plot. You really have Vinnie's character down, Coyote. I liked how he was developed herein. I also enjoyed seeing the Hawaiian gargoyle clan, they're some good characters. Too bad Vinnie didn't blast any Rokkans with Mr. Carter, I would have liked to see that. Maybe in a future ep? Anyway, Vinnie makes a great addition to the team, it's good to see him around. Thanks for the entertainment. BTW, have you installed your scanner yet? :)

**THESE SPOILERS END**

Tank Girl: I saw this movie. And mostly hated it. The characters weren't that great, nor was the plot. And I wanted to kill the heroine near the end when she found out the villain had known her plans all along and immediately accused the woman who had been helping her from the movie's start of being a spy. Some friend! But the tank in there was cool, and Doug did get some cool ideas from the movie, such as Rachel's implanted nanocameras and microphones, for his fanfic universe.

Stormy: Thanks for displaying the Wagner and Caligo as lawyers pic, it's great. Cyrway really has talent for art as well as fic, like Spike.

Robby: All this time I thought Shenzi was Hyena! Geez, she was so much more believable the old way. Oh well, your description of her is also nice. :(

Lawrence: Thanks for telling me. Phew.

Birdsong: Hey, the good guys on Gargs have very cool costumes, too. I'm still trying to find my own Elisa outfit (I have everything but the jacket). And I think it's been said in here several times that the gargs all look very good in loincloths. So the villains weren't the only one with cool costumes, though they did also dress well.

Xena: How would I change humanity? Hmm. I don't know. I like us just the way we are, even if there are a lot of people who get on my nerves sometimes. Maybe I'd make people care about who runs their country more, raise the voting tallies. And thus hopefully get at least 80 percent of the current losers out of office. Then I would refine the political process so people can all go in normal without having to go through all the lies, bribery, and bootlicking it seems one has to resort to to get elected these days. I hope this will happen on its own, but since it probably won't, I'll just have to wish I could change it. Sigh.

Traveler: Wait for Doug's forthcoming fic "The Blackout" (originally titled "The Ultra-Pack Cometh"). You'll see some excellent draconic combat in there between, as Jadriel puts it, "the preserver and the destroyer." <grin> And you're welcome about the RP.

My Fair Lady: I love that movie, too. Eliza is definitely one of my major role models, as is Higgins for Doug. Very good musical, though not the best I've seen it is definitely among them.

Okay, that's all for now. Later. $ Hope we don't die by Chulthu's hands, er, tentacles, er, whatever. $

**RP RESUMES!**

Chulthu has by now fully awakened and the Masked Lich commands him to attack the Ravens. Suddenly the monster turns around, reaches down, grabs the ML, and rips his body into several pieces. After tossing them aside, he turns back to the Ravens and bellows. "What just happened?" Kitainia asks. "His spell must have had a flaw," Elena speculates. "Probably caused by the fact that he didn't have the real Necromonicon. Quick, Traveler, find the spell to banish Chulthu!!" "Hang on!" Traveler says, flipping through the book. "No, wait, that's not it. Not that one. Uh, this one could be useful later but not now. Ah, here it is!" As Chulthu finishes bellowing and reaches down to attack, Traveler casts the banishment spell. The monster roars in fury as he is enveloped by black and green energy and is enveloped in a sudden explosion of smoke and heat. The concussion from it knocks all the Ravens and their allies flat on the ground. When the smoke clears, they come to their feet and see that Chulthu is now a normal plush doll again, albeit a badly burnt one. "Phew!" Kitainia says, looking at it and noting the ashes that are all that remain of the Masked Lich's Necromonicon beside it. "And he got ripped to pieces," Jammer grins. "I guess we don't have to worry about him anymore." "Uh, guess again," Gubio says, pointing to the pieces of the ML, which seem to be crawling back together and reassembling. "Oh hell," Kitainia gasps as the undead magician begins raving about his invinciblity. "Orion, you're the expert on undead! What do we do here?" "Um," the cleric says, racking his brain for undead lore as the ML gets up and readies a powerful spell. The screen chooses this unfortunate time to click off. To be continued.

**ON MAJOR CLIFFHANGER, END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 06:40:59 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zoy-vty43.as.wcom.net

Just a reminder to everyone:

THE BALLPITRIAN INSANITY FESTIVAL IS **TODAY**!!

The festivities will be held at our virtual reconstuction of the GFW chat room in Active Worlds starting at:

6:30 PM Pacific Time
7:30 PM Mountain Time
8:30 PM Central Time
9:30 PM Eastern Time

Festivites will include a vacuum cleaner roast, Tag or Red Light Green Light, chating about various less than sane subjects, and bouncing on our brand-new VIRTUAL TRAMPOLINE!!! BOINGY, BOINGY, BOINGY!!!! Click my name for directions to the party.

Hope to see all of you there, and don't forget to bring rubber pants for the monkey! <G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria, Saturday, January 30, 1999 06:34:02 PM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

Oops ... sorry about the last post, and for the double post, but I almost forgot ... I'd promised to reveal my secret about "Spirits of the Green." So here it is ... those of you who don't wish to know this secret please skip the rest of this post.

**WARNING!! MAJOR SECRET THAT HAS BEEN REVEALED ABOUT G:CM ABOUTTO BE REVEALED AGAIN!!!**

Okay ... the secret revealed in Volume #29 was Rain's parentage ... it turns out his mother is Turqueza (one of the Guatemala gargoyles that escorted trees to Avalon) and his father is Coyote. Ergo ... Rain is a gargoyle-fae halfling.

**SECRET HAS BEEN REVEALED!!**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 30, 1999 06:01:07 PM
IP: modem76.i-is.com

**RP!!**

**Outside the mansion, Jason and the Gearhead are still chatting it up with Tank Girl (who's now painting the tank) when the Power Rangers make their appearance known by Ravyn's shriek. They all turn their attention to where the PR's have appeared.**

<"Who ..." "What ...?" "Oh no, not those guys.">

**Tank Girl shrugs, takes a slug off of one of the tequila bottles, then jumps in the tank. Lord knows what she's going to do next.**

**Meanwhile, in the mansion Coyote has taken his place under Argent's Broncos banner. The Monkees are still playing up on stage, when suddenly Demona leaps up on the stage, dragging Davy off with her.**

What's going on over there?

**Ravyn shrugs.** <"Dunno. I saw them doing the twinkly-eyes thing, I think they're taking their affections elsewhere.">

**The remaining Monkees look around the mansion's living room.**

<"Uhh ... hmm ... does anyone else here have any musical experience?">

**Coyote and Ravyn exchange excited looks.**

**PAUSE RP!!**

New Fic: Ladies and gentlemen, it's up. Clicky on my name link to go on a "Vinnie Quest."

Xena: Wow ... that *is* a hard question to answer ... I think I would say that if I had the power, I would end all injustice everywhere and make everyone's dreams come true.
And it's nice to hear about your dream there ... truth be told, it's similar to mine, as I've told a lot of folks here I'm working on a screenplay, which I hope to have produced. Here's hoping both of us have our dreams come true.

Wilek: But the point of that song was that it was so light and cheerful ... that's what makes it *funny.*
Anyway, "Frank's 2000-Inch TV" is off the album "Alapalooza" (it looks like the Jurassic Park soundtrack, except the T-Rex's head is replaced with Al's), one of his more recent ones. This is the one which contained "Bohemian Polka."
Oh incidentally ... if you want a dark-sounding Weird Al song, there's one off of "In 3-D" that's called "Nature Trail to Hell (In 3-D)," which is supposed to be a promo for a horror film ("Coming this Christmas to a theater near you/The most horrifying film to hit the screen/There's a homicidal maniac who finds a Cub Scout troop/And he hacks off two or three in every scene ...").

Traveler: Well ... yeah, three months. Gives me time to center on WCC for a while. And they called me *MAD* at the University ... :)

Ravyn, re age: They say you're only as old as you feel ... if that were true, I would be 532. :)

**RESUME RP!!**

Well ... I have some.

<"You got an axe here?">

**In response to Peter's question, Coyote pulls his saxophone out of his pocket.**

<"Umm ... where were you hiding that thing?">

I borrowed a pair of pants from Roger Wilco. Boy, does he have deep pockets!

**Ravyn laughs as Coyote steps up to the stage, preparing to sub for Davy. They're cut short, though, as a loud report can be heard in the yard.**

<"WHAT WAS THAT?!">

Sounded like a twelve-incher ...

**The scene shifts to the yard again. The tank has been completely repainted in red and pink, with a black-striped turret. Smoke is coming from the barrel of the turret cannon.**

<"Gotta love those moving targets!">

**Jason and the Gearhead jump up on the tank alongside Tank Girl, laughing and drinking some more as she shoots off more twelve-inchers at the party-crashing Power Rangers. The screen winks off on this amusing scene.**

Midsummer Night's Dream: I am looking forward to this one, too.

Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 30, 1999 04:25:18 PM
IP: modem76.i-is.com

Okay, THAT'S IT!!!!!
(Grabs Mr. DC in a choke hold.)
"Care to explain those 'server not found'? messages yesterday morning when I tried to post?"
(Mr. DC makes a strangled gurgle.)
"Too bad."
(Attaches several pieces of T-bone steaks to him, then blows one of those dog whistles.)
"Come and get it!"
(Bronx, Nudnik, Cavall, the puppies from the Britan clan, and several Irish Wolfhounds go tearing after Mr. DC.)
You know, maybe that was TOO nice. Oh well.

This pic should be Fang.

***JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY***
(Commercial break on the Gargoyle's special. Argent tries to get Jim's attention.)
"Hey Jim, you forgot some decorations. Mind if I put 'em up?"
(Jim is watching the commercials and waves his hand in a 'go-ahead' gesture.)
"I'll take that as a yes."
(Enlists the help of Jewel*D, a few of the gargoyles, and the twenty flying dolphins. They hang several tapestries, one with the Falcons' logo on it, another with the Broncos', and two more that remain furled. Argent also hangs up three signs.)
FALCON FANS HERE
BRONCOS FANS HERE
OTHER TEAMS FANS/ COULDN'T CARE LESS PEOPLE HERE.
(Argent adjusts Cleveland Brown's jersey, then notices the Power Rangers trying to sneak in.)
"Alright, practice dummies!" (This is gonna get interesting. [Hey, if someone's gonna 'dispatch' of 'em, save one for me!])

Gotta Jet!
(Eight months 'till the new Dark Ages eps.)
Argent
Ohio, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 03:10:47 PM
IP: dyn-204-192-98-235.frognet.net

If this post gets through, I'll be double-posting and Mr. DC is in BIG TROUBLE
Argent
Saturday, January 30, 1999 02:54:11 PM
IP: dyn-204-192-98-235.frognet.net

Stephen > that would be Eliza Dolittle's father, from "My Fair Lady." I LOVE that movie! ; )

Cthulhu plushies > I gotta have one! Doug! Kitainia! Somebody! Buy me one and I'll send you money!!!

Oh, this was weird > Someone wrote to Dear Abby, signs it "Bored in Brooklyn" or something like that. So she replies, "Dear Brooklyn" and then goes on about what he can do to relieve his boredome and depression. Found it funny, I did ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:48:04 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

**RP!**

**Jim gets a phone call from the neighbors. They're just green, and they say, "That's the biggest screen we've ever seen!!!" Meanwhile, Ravyn is keeping an eye on Demona as she heads to the fridge for a bottle of Sprite. On her way, though, she hears some voices outside.

"Wow," Rav starts, "That TV must have 90,000 watts of Dolby sound... "

She stops talking as she passes by a window and glances outside. She shrieks in horror, and the party guests look up.**

**PAUSE RP!**

Nazi stuff in Lion King> Actually, my brother said something about how it looked like an old Nazi rally when we saw that the first time, and I thought about it and I guess it sorta does. Hmm...

Wilek> Darker lyrics to a Weird Al song?!? It's WEIRD AL we're talking about. He's a fun-lovin' crazy polka man! ;) Although if you want somewhat darker lyrics (they're more silly than dark, though), try listening to one of my favorites, "The Night Santa Went Crazy." I played that on Christmas Eve for the relatives one year, and got some awfully strange looks. ;)

Blue> Welcome! **hands over a welcome cookie** And on your age question, I'm 532. (Just kiddin'. I'm really almost 17.) :)

Power Rangers> Oh, please make it stop...;) Which reminds me...

**RESUME RP!**

**Ravyn is still shaking in terror. Robby comes over and takes a look out the window, and groans with disgust. On Jim's front lawn is a group of annoying teens in multicolored spandex. They finish talking into their watches and take outlandish poses, shouting in unison, "POWER RANGERS!"

Ravyn puts a taloned hand to her head and decides it's time to sit down as the Power Rangers try to sneak into the party and the screen flickers off...** **END RP!**
Ravyn
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:05:02 PM
IP: svm-ts4-3.c2i2.com

Anyone else notice that in "Flight into the Forest" under Timedancer they mentioned the clan led by Demona who made an allience with the humans in MacBeth's day?
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 12:41:34 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Xena> This kind of goes on or mabey fits into the realm of religion. Stop moaning everyone!! I was raised catholic but don�t know what I am now. I believe that we are here to test or to experiment with (test and experiment are not the right words but as close as I can come to now) FREE will (explains why evil exist so we have a choice). To change humanity would take this choice away. Thus we would loose more than we would gain. By changing them you would take away their potential. Humanity is growing, and it is still young and stupid. If I had the power I would protect the world from Humanities childish mistakes and set up a haven for the few that have reached adult hood ( I matured early:>). Lacking this power I can only protect a few. The ones I love and a small part of the garden earth. Mabey this would some it all up; How could we tell the brightness of the light without the shadows?

Doug> Another Willow fan cool. I get shiver every time I think of what she did to Xanders ear in the Valentine episode oh yeah there they are.

Sevarius jr.> I think Xander got what he deserved after all he did cheat on her! and speaking of Buffy has any one else checked out the comic?? It is pretty descent. Though were in the timeline of the show it fits into I am not to clear on.
well see ya monday
ps thanks for the info on the tolkien site and mabey if i bug my contacts at media play i can get the AP soundtrack:)

Ironwolf
Saturday, January 30, 1999 12:27:04 PM
IP: host-209-214-40-150.cha.bellsouth.net

Ari> The Angel series will began this fall.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:16:00 AM
IP: chil-ras1-3-cs-5.dial.bright.net

Robby> That's good to hear. I patiently look foward to the new episodes. Like I said previously though I could have had you beat had it been a weekend when I began the first reading of Timedancer. I could have read all of the season in one day. But it wasn't that way so you can keep the trophy. :P

ROLEPLAY: (scene is at Xanotos Industries and we MacBeth)
Xanotos> Well hello Proffesor MacDuff (sly smile). For what do we owe the pleasure?
MacBeth> Actually I came here to see the head of Cyberbiotics
Xanotos> That would be my wife Fox. At least until Alexander is old enough to run it. (calls for her) <she hands Owen Alex then enters>
Fox> What?
MacBeth> (clears his throat) Do you still have the technology used on Fortress 1 and 2?
Fox> Yeah of course, why do you ask?
MacBeth>I need my hover pads and private jet fixed
Xanotos> I thought you stopped hunting Demona
MacBeth> I have but someday when people notice I ain't aging I'll have to have a way to make a quick getaway.
Fox> well I don't see any problems do you honey?
Xanotos> (sees MacBeth looking at him) I wouldn't know. It isn't my business. MacBeth wants Cybiotics' help not my help (leaves)
MacBeth> (nods) then it agreed then
Fox> um of course (has Vogel politely show him out)
END RP
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 09:41:30 AM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

asrial vs cheetah? ;)
exin - [exin@gmx.de]
exincity, state of exin, exin land!:)
Saturday, January 30, 1999 07:33:38 AM
IP: khof-proxy.metronet.de

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH...too much text...hng.
-=0| EXiN |0=- - [exin@gmx.de]
leipzig, saxonia, germany
Saturday, January 30, 1999 07:29:38 AM
IP: khof-proxy.metronet.de

Neverwhere 2: Gaiman said he's got ideas, he just hasn't been able to wrok on it because he's trying to finish up Neverwhere--after all, he's doing the script now. He did say that the Hollywood people told him to put more romance between Door and RIchard in the movie. As for the Marquis, Gaiman said he's there, and we meet his brother, who's even *more* messed-up than the Marquis is.
jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 05:37:44 AM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

A C K !!!! *makes weak gaging sounds* to...many...posts... must reply... must annoy... *insert loony tunes theme* AND NOW, ON WITH THE SHOW!!!

Jeez, first week of class, and the life has just been sucked right out of me. Well, at least it's Friday and things should settle down onto a regular schedule in another week or two... *hehehehe* Speaking of classes that reminds me, I only have to learn two O/S's (One of them beingIBM's AS/400 and the other Novell 3.12 and 4; <<Alright class now this is the campuses mail server...*hehehehe*>>:)and the basics of nearly every programming language this semmester; plus the liberal arts courses, WHHEEEE!!!!!!

BTW, I found something which I found quite ammusing. Take a look: (P.S.- If you need any of these explained further ask.)

You Might Be A Buffalonian If:
- your definition of a small town is a lake.
- snow tires come standard on all your cars.
- you think those fancy "blooming onions" at the steak house are a poor copy of Ted's Onion Rings.
- you know that a butter lamb is a dairy product - not found in the meat cooler.
- you truly believe that the Sabres are "gonna win that cup (someday)".
- you truly believe that the Sabres would win that cup, except for poor officiating.
- you can identify an Alden accent.
- you have ever gotten frostbitten and sunburned in the same week.
- you know why SUNY Buffalo is located in Amherst. (SUNY: State University of NY)
- "down south" means Gowanda.
- you bake with "soda" and drink "pop".
- stop/slow/yield signs are an option, not a requirement.
- you can hold an entire conversation on the best place to go for wings.
- you see nothing wrong with watching fireworks Downtown on July 2nd.
- you not only know what the terms "snowbelt" or "lake effect snow" mean, you use them on a daily basis.
- you save the Genny Cream Ale for special occasions.
- you live within five miles of a bowling alley.
- you have used the term Dupa.
- not only do you know what it is, but you look forward to Dingus Day.
- you never put your winter jacket away for the summer.
- you like to order beef on "weck" and are always surprised when someone doesn't know what "weck" is.
- going to the ballet does not involve ballet shoes or toe dancing.
- you drive over 70 mph on the Thruway and pass on the right.
- you leave the ski lift tickets on your jacket year 'round.
- you know how to pronounce SCAJAQUADA... or CHEEKTOWAGA.. or DEPEW
- the rest of the country is snowbound in the worst blizzard of the century, but you still have to walk your kids to the corner to catch the school bus.
- you think nothing of crossing an international border for Chinese food.
- the acid rain is clearer than your drinking water.
- when you stop someone to ask for directions, you expect to get them.
- you keep the snowplow on the front of the truck all year round.
- you give directions by saying "turn left or right", instead of "head north" or "go east".
- you have a favorite Greek restaurant.
- you know that Canada is west of here, not north.
- you shovel your car out in November, but the ski resorts have to make snow in January.
- when someone says they're from "the city" you ask them which one.
- you think Jimmy Griffin is a real politician. (Former Mayor)
- you can't find anyplace to buy milk at midnight, but the bars are open till 4 am.
- you can compute a wind chill factor.
- you can go to Allentown or Kaisertown but you can't go Uptown.
- you don't have to attend the Friendship Festival to hear it.
- you eat orange chocolate and/or sponge candy.
- you know the difference between imported and real Canadian beer.
- you think of football, not mail, when you hear the word "bills".
- there is no East Seneca, West Aurora or South Tonawanda. (Allow me to elaborate: there IS an W Seneca, E Aurora, and a N Tonawanda>:)
- you have not been on the Maid of the Mist -unless you had out of town company.
- when in another city, you threaten the chef with false advertising after trying something called Buffalo Wings on the menu. (Until you've had them here, you do not know the meaning of the words "Buffalo Wings")
- you immediately change the channel when you hear "Hi! This is Goldie Gardner." (From the yearly PBS fund raiser)
- the winter carnival gets rained out.
- you call them Pilot Field and RICH and the Aud, no matter what the signs say. (These are the "former" names of: the minor league baseball stadium, the Buffalo Bill's stadium, and the Saber's stadium/rink; the nameing rights are sold on an almost yearly basis)
- you know how to spell "SCAJAQUADA" from memory.
- you use the term "party store" to describe a place where you buy beer, liquor and snacks.
- you have as many Canadian coins in your pocket as US ones.
- you define Summer as three months of bad sledding.
- your child has watched Sesame Street in French.
- you refuse to eat Cocoa-Puffs 'cause you have to smell them on the way to work every third day. (One of General Mill's main plants is VERY close to downtown Buffalo)
- you don't have a coughing fit from one sip of Vernor's.
- you know what Vernor's is. (Ask...*hehehe*>:)
- "gridlock" means driving home from a football game.
- you know Canadian bacon isn't fried ham.
- the name Sahlen's is spoken with reverence. (A local meat goods company, they make all types of stuff; but are famous for their hotdogs; seriously this stuff is like a delicacy. They have world wide orders, people buy the stuff by the *CASE* Even if you can't stand hotdog's because of what they use to make them, you have not lived until you have tried one of these. Same thing with a mustard one of the other companys manufactures somewhere around here.)
- four inches of snow just means having to brush off the windshield before going to work.

I kid you not, that's ALL TRUE.

>Coyote the Bando- Read your reply to my question last week: no new chapters for three months?!!! BTW, I reviewed the WCC list at your site. Over 400 characters... you ARE crazy.

>Entity- <<The object within the briefcase was a soul.>> Really, you know that does make sense, I heard it was the Holy Grail but that just didn't seem to fit. Where did you find this out from? BTW, thanks for filling them in on the Chewbacca defence, not very many South Park watchers here I guess...

>jILLybEAn- <<#Question#: So, what classifies a country as "foreign"?>> #Answer#: Any country that your not a citizen of. Scooby Doo, where are you? BTW, Happy *very* belated Birthday!!! OK, welcome back. <<Don't have my own web page, so is there somewhere I can put them up (Not that I'll
actually do this anytime soon)?? >> Yes, go get approx. 11MB of free space at www.geocities.com Hint when filling out the form leave it blank, hit enter/submmit. A page will come up telling you exactly what required information you must provide to geocities. However since the account IS free, and it doesn't say you must use real information... really the only thing that should be valid on that form is the seconday web based (hotmail/usa.net/etc...) e-mail address, you know the one you set up to try and trap some of that junk mail. Which also doesn't have any of your real life info. on file. *hehehehehehe* Example- For my account Geocities thinks my real first name is "Darth" and my real last name is "Vader". *hehehehahahaha*

>Fleur- <<�Sanity-challenged�? I resent that remark!! It�s �Sanity-defeated�. :P>> "Sanity-defeated"? Please forgive my mistake, I'm glad to see you've overcome your psycological handicap.>:)) *hahahahhehehehe* Sorry, I couldn't resist. *A portal opens over the Norfolk Island Pine Fleur had placed in the CR. Manicial laughter can faintly be heard from the other side as Traveler's armored hand comes through, sprays the pine with some glowing liquid, and then vanishes. *hehehe...you asked for it Fleur...hehehe*

****WARNING: YES IT'S FRIDAY/SATRDAY BUT TECHNICALLY THIS IS STILL AN....EPISODE SPOILER!!!!!****

>WTBB- Oh-boy, a multiparter. A multiparter with Spike as the main author no less. All I can say is that D$M& I enjoyed that ep. And: ARRUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!! How could you leave us hanging like this after all those weeks of taunting?!!! BTW, that was quite a creative way for Rich to get ahold of George, did that just come to you guys in a vision or was that a "writers' block" situation? It was also great to see some character development on Umbriel, so far we've seen far to little of this key player. He has the potentional to become quite a memorable player in this story. (Great art as well, much more illistration(sp?) than usual. PO'd Brooklyn was done VERY well.)

****ALRIGHT, IT'S CLEAR NOW. YOU CAN COME OUT NOW!!!****

>Argent- Congratulations on your new ranking!!!!

>Mandi Ohlin- Read "Night Shift", and I must ask: Why do you loath this one? I thought it was pretty D#M^ good myself. Oh and what "destiny" were the Weird Sisters speaking of at the beginning? Or is that still classified? *hehehehe*

>Taleweaver- Re.: Genetics <<It's usually someone else whose less intelligent, but more cleaver that comes up with those deadlier applications.>> That would kinda be me... And I generaly agree with what you and a few others said about the subject.

>Genetics & Selanit & Jewel- Just thought you'd all like to know, there is a reliable rumor in the intelligence community that even after the fall of the USSR, Russia has kept up on the biological weapons programs. One of the nastier results is rumored to be a cross between the ebola virus and...strep?. And they did something interesting with that flesh-eating bacteria and...I think it was small pox. Imagine, an airborne, souped-up version of the flesh-eating bacteria. Sleep well tonight everyone.>:))

>Sevarius Jr.- Re.: Twisticats I saw part of this as well. The breeder(s) should be shot. This is a clear violation of anyone's personal code of ethics; including mine, which is a very hard thing to do. Spree killing, sure, why not? Dumping a few hundred gallons of LSD or some other mind altering substance into a town's water supply then sitting back and watching the fun, alright. Just be sure you bring a video cammera and lots of blank tapes. Masterminding a state wide power outage on New Year's EVE 2000 just so you can top everyone else's "what I've been up to" story at your 10 year High School reunion.>:)), sounds like a blast. But breading an animal with a trait that makes it less mobile or deficent in any of its' thought or physical processes is just wrong. It's just one of those things that you look at or see and the only words that come to mind are: That's just WRONG, or as you said <<"Dude, this is totally f@#$ed up right here!">>. Now had they geneticaly altered a cat so that it could fly using a pair of bat wings sprouting from its upper back; that I probally could have tolerated a bit more. <<Alright,Clone Boy. Time for your ass whoopin!>> I read this and I was on the floor laughing my @$$ off!!! *hehehehe*

>Robby- I too saw that trailer for Austin Powers 2. I laughed VERY hard in the theater when I saw it. Probally one of if not the best trailer for a movie this year.

>The Daily Show- *said in an approximation of Cartman's voice* KICK ASS!!!!

>Canceled Shows- Out of all of them I can't understand why they would cancel Brimstone. It's only been on for a few weeks, and it's the most original and entertaining show FOX has put on the air to fill that 8:00-9:00pm Friday slot in a LONG time. Hell, I'm not saying it's the next X-Files (and that may be what their looking for) bu even THEY had to build up an audence the first SEASON AND A HALF before it really took off and became what it is (or what some now regard as was>:) today.

>NEWBIES- Welcome into the fold... MMMUUUUHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!

>Kitainia- Just want to say thanks for keeping my RP alive during my absence. Feel free to do odd things with him/to him in the RP whenever you want. Same to you Wilek Nereus.

>Frank's 2000 inch TV- Hey, I wanted to get one of those but they ran out of stock. Jim Iza Noying, I was wondering, did it come with a 3 year warranty on parts and labor? *hehehehe*

>Stormy- <<BTW, anyone catch the Nazi imagery in the "be prepared" sequence of LION KING? Scar on the podium, goose-stepping ranks of hyenas and the lighting like banners?>> The first time I saw that movie was when my parents bought it for my sister. I didn't really want to see it because of the fact that it as Disney and their past few films at that time (namely Aladdin, Little Mermaid, etc>) I did not like at all. But I gave in since I had nothing better to do I started watching TLK with my family. Then I saw the scene which you have described. Having seen nearly every WWII documentary ever aired on TV and cable, I instantily recognized it. I turned to the members of my family who had seen it before up at the show and uttered almost disbelieving, but one phrase: "THIS is a DISNEY movie?!!!" Jewel: Yes "Uncle" Joe Stalin parallels "Uncle" Scar a tad better, but those hyenas were "Goose Stepping"!!!

>Nazis? Nazis and Disney together? *Insert joke here*(You asked for it SJ>:)- Scene: A court room in the Simpson's universe. Dr. Hibbert is on the Witness stand. Dr. Hibbert: It's called the Evil gene. Hitler had it, Stalin had it, that guy Traveler has it*hehehe*....and....Walt Disney had it.

>Xena- Well, I hope you succeed with your dream. As for the question, I wouldn't change anything. That would alter the course of both social and physical evaloution(sp?), weather it be natural or a chosen path. Besides their must be some sort of balence, you cannot have the good without the bad. To do so would stagnate change and growth as a culture and a species. Sooner or later though it looks like the operative phrase will be "Too little too late" for the human race if attudes don't start changeing. Although if you were to ask me during one of my truely inspired moments in the sun, aka "Killem' all and let God sort it out."; most likely brought about by a visit to the DMV, another burocratic institution, or just dealing with the great unwashed masses everyday, I'd most likely choose to have all of the morons/truely ignorant/intolerant people of this world "disposed of".

>Wilek Nereus- <<Stormy> Kewl segue into yer lawyers pic. ^_^ That one dude looks like he could pass for a human if he hid his wings and tail.>> Read her (Pretty D#M^ Good) fanfiction Wilek, there is a reason he looks like that.

>Ari- I took a look at your page, quite nice. Although none of the links on your Gargs Art page worked, all of the rest did. Your portfolio artwork was VERY immpressive.

Dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, AND BEHOLD THE DRAGON KING!!!!!! HE AND HIS RACE BETTER NOT BE JUST BACKGROUND/INCIDENTAL CHRACTERS IN TGS!!!!!

**RP WARNING!!!! CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED!!!!**

"You won't get away from me this time, Ravens!" the Masked Lich raves from somewhere nearby as the team is trapped between hissing evil cats on one side and the remaining monsters who were with Jack coming up behind and on their flanks. "Help!" Kenny shouts, going crazy with fear."We have to keep fighting!" Kitainia tells him and the others, as she cuts down Church with her laser. Traveler: Kitainia, this IS getting abit old. We have a *hehehe* court case to get to, and we could all be at Las Vegas right now enjoying one of the many buffets, stage shows, gambling, getting some much needed rest, etc... Kitainia: Any ideas? *Traveler finishes off the clown from the movie version of IT, then assumes a thinkers pose. Oddly, none of the monsters are attacking him now. Kenny the CR lawyer sees this and decides to use him as cover.* Traveler: Ok, I've got one. *yells out* Masked Lich! We are all getting tired of your games, leave now with your monsters or suffer for...afew days. Well, unless of course, we kill you permantily first. ML: *hahahahah* NO! Why would I leave now when victory is at hand! Traveler: Alright, don't say I didn't warn you... *from inside his duster Traveler pulls out what looks like...The Necromonicon?!!!* Kitainia: You mean you had that thing the entire time, could have used it, and didn't? Traveler: Yes. Kitainia: And wait a minute, how can you have it when the ML does to?!!! I don't even want to know, do I? Traveler: No, but you're going to find out. *hehehehe* ML*outraged since the battle has stopped, and the monsters no longer seem to be responding to his Necromonicon's control*: NO!! This is not possible!!! Traveler: Sure it is! Here I'll give you a hint as to why. Check the second page from the inside of the cover. *hehehehe* ML*frowns, then starts to read agast at what he sees*: WHAT'S THIS?!! Library of Congress # 0000-666?! Prentice Hall Publishing.... *Everyone shouting in confusion at the same time* Prentice Hall? IT'S A TEXT BOOK?!!!!!!!! Traveler: Yep. And this one's the origional. ML:Uh-oh... Traveler: Kitainia, Orion, what do you think we should do with him? I've got some pretty nasty ideas involving stripping his powers, and letting all of these magical movie monster copies have some fun with him, some balogna and a high speed blender set to "Frappee(sp?)"... Scene fades out.

**END OF THE RP AND THIS ULTRA LONG CR POST!!!! AND SO THERE WAS MUCH REJOYCING.**
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 04:48:51 AM
IP: 209-73-193.ipt.aol.com

Image check- Brooklyn's family, though this one was working earlier...

Just to clear it up before anyone asks... I have two copies of Anastasia because when I bought it, I couldn't find it in widescreen. I sasked for the widescreen for my birthday, and recieved it. Hence, two copies.
Robby
Saturday, January 30, 1999 02:45:02 AM
IP: spider-wg013.proxy.aol.com

Image check- Emrys Hawkins

Quote- "Du... Du.... DUCKIE!" Spike, saying his first and only word, which was just about the ONLY good point of The Land Before Time IV...

Power Rangers good in Japan- One example of the show being better stuff there... In Japan the Green Ranger was the Red's brother, and was killed... ANd lets not forget that the original Power Rangers was basically a live action Voltron rip off... Notice how similar the original zord main form was to Voltron?

Iron Wolf- Yeah, the Tolkien movie trilogy was talked about in here a couple weeks ago, with a couple of updates since...

James-Brooklyn may have the option of just abandoning the Phoenix gate, but already by that poinht he had realized he was doing good dancing, and besides, he wanted to get home. Later on he picks up a bit more motivation to keep timedancing...
Fleeting Moments and Daylight are two more of Timedancer's best stories... Particularly because they have Sata in them...
As far as you reading a Timedancer marathon, well... You're reading fast, but I got you beat. I read the whole TGS in a single weekend... Of course at the first time, it was only the first season but still...
As far as no Timedancer season two, well...

Timedancer season 2- Timedancer will be starting again soon. A couple of stories are ready, but several are experiancing certain technical problems... But trust me, I've read what we've got, it's worth the wait.

SJ- Me, an animated reference source? I suppose to an extent thats true... But my basic knowledge only goes back to about the late 80's... Everything else is read up, or knowledge from re-aired stuff in the 90's... And I'mnot fanatic about most shows, but basic knowledge... I suppose so... (My collection of over 150 animated videos doesn't hurt either... Including two, count 'em, TWO copies of Anastasia...)

Looney Tunes tidbit- Granny was called "Emy" on one or two occasions, and then it switched to her more permanent name of just "Granny".

Reminder- Mulan hits video February second! My animation collection is going up another notch then... And hey, a week later, ANTZ comes out on video! Nice...

Xena- A fellow struggling animated series creator! Hey! I also have plans to make a series once I'm out of school... I got me characters and story... ANd I know like yourself, will hit problems when trying to sell it. The world isn't totally corrupt, its just bad buisness to invest in something that might lose money... Good example... It took seven years to sell the concept of Superman becaue it was too far fetched, and look at him now...

As far as having the power to change humanity? Hmm... I don't think I would, because changing any one thing in all humanity could have easily unseen side effects. I would change one or two personal details, like where a couple of my friends live, but thats about it...

Wilek- So THAT'S what the Jack-in-the-box was for that you mentioned in the other room...

Also, yeah a Weird Al song could have darker lyrics, but he's supposed to be FUNNY, not dark...

Hmm... I think what I had planned to say was, "Tony Jay is just the coolest looking villain in real life, and it would have been so cool if his Hunchback character had looked like him..." But I was tired or in a hurry or something... Hey, anyone ever seen Tony's Beauty and the Beast character, Paraselsus? Now THERE is a good villain... Well, not a good villain, but a nasty one... You know what I mean...

Scar being a leonine Hitler- Thats nothing... I've read a description that describes him as gay and effeminent, while the Hyenas represent urban blacks doing whatever they can to earn a scrap of meat... Of course, that woman was nuts, as she also said that there were no good female leads in the movie... I still have that article somewhere, I may want to pull it out and post it here...

Looney tunes not airing certan ones on Cartoon Network- Some shorts aren't shown due to copyrighting, but thats just a line being fed. Because Cartoon Network DID show "What's Opera Doc" once during June Bugs. Its not copyright problems there, they have problems with Bugs being in drag for over three minutes...

Ari- Your best friends dad is Michael Reeves? Cool!

**JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY**

"Tank girl?" Jim asks a little questioningly, and then shrugs it off. He spots Robby and Heather briefly, who are having fun together. Jim glances at the 2000 inch TV and notices Gargoyles is coming on... He smiles knowingly about that "Special episode" he had ordered and made a few months back... A rather drunk Brooklyn tries to watch the new 2 hour episode, but his vision is funny. And then he spots Demona, chatting it up with Jim.
"So what is the deal with that caterer?"
"Oh, Shenzi? Nothing unusual. Once had the name of Janice Em, was a preffesional caterer who hung around a co0nveniant vat of radioactive material. Fell in along with a Shenzi doll from Lion King, and from then on became Shenzi, and obsessed caterer."
"Oh." Is all Demona can think of to reply as she hears a loud, drunken roar.
"YOU!"
"Hello Brooklyn." Brooklyn's eyes glow, for while drunk, he recognizes his old enemy, sorta... Then he smiles happily, wobbles forward, and kisses Demona. Looks of shock spread throughtout the crowd, not to mention Demona.
"Hey, aren't they enemies?"
"Isn't Brooklyn married?"
"To who? Sata, Avery, Nikkie or one of the half dozen others?"

Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 02:33:21 AM
IP: spider-wg062.proxy.aol.com

Just a quick note from a passing lurker--

Neil Gaiman's working on a new book (Shh! Don't tell!), collaborating with Michael Reaves(the guy who wrote most of the Gargoyles eps...and my best friend's dad!)...I've read the first draft and it's really really good.

Angel series> When does this start? I've looked over the cR and if it's here, please feel free to throw flames. ;� But do tell, please.
Ari - [<--Click!]
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:50:47 AM
IP: pool046-max11.ds16-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

Woo, it's been almost a week since I've posted. It's that durn lurking habit again. Actually, I been busy with our play, and our opening night was tonight (imagine everything that could possibly go wrong with Peter Pan, and that was our show), but everyone loved it!! Go fig. I guess people like seeing people trip and knock stuff over...*Yeah, yeah, I know they do*.

Lurking> Hey, the reason i lurked for so long was because I had nothing to say!! I figured if I didn't have anything important to add, why add filler?? But then I thought, screw it, I could THINK of stuff to say that might SOUND important and then I'll have a reason to post! Yeah, that's it...

Jackal> I have a friend who licks cars. She's not normal. But that's why I like her ;o)

Trix> *I* actually voted when they asked kids to vote whether or not he'd get the cereal (of course I wanted him to). But *ME*. Yeah! *I* did it. I never take initiative on *anything*!! (Example: lurking for so long.) But, damnit!! That rabbit deserved some nourishment!

Looney Toons> (Re: Barber of Seville and "Kill the Wabbit" on TCN) I always thought the reason this and some other Toons (like Coyote/Roadrunner shorts) are never shown on Cartoon Network, was because Turner doesn't own the rights to them. And I think i read somewhere he'll get 'em in the year 2000.

RPs> You know, I don't read these, I must've missed something reading way back when they started and never caught on with what was going on...*shrug*

Pictures> I tried the Phoenix Gate pic my second post and it didn't work.

Midsummer movie> *EXCITED*!! Haven't heard too much about it, though.

When the Bough Breaks> (No Spoilers) Wonderful job. Great pics. Can't say much, because it's been so long since I read it...I almost forgot what it was called.

You know, if I ever get some free time and my scanner working, I just might get some of my gargs drawings online somewhere...the question is: where? Don't have my own web page, so is there somewhere I can put them up (Not that I'll actually do this anytime soon)??

jILLybEAn - [jbruhn@bendnet.com]
Bend, Oregon
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:48:43 AM
IP: b148.bendnet.com

I can read an episode in less then a half-hour. I think it's perfect cause with commercials cut out, that was the time it takes to watch a Gargoyles episode on the tele. And for that other person who spoke maybe it was Robby I don't wanna stop mid message to cheak, well I did have all day off so I had to I could have read an entire sesson before the end of the day. Well night all. ?:-)

James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:32:44 AM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Just finished the last of Sesson1. What no sesson 2? (confused)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:26:42 AM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

****RP!!!****
Jaden continues to search through the dead, finally he turns to Doug. "No he must have escaped during all the confusion."
"Don't worry," says Doug. "We'll get him next time."
Screen fades out.
****END RP!!!****

Actually I had planned for Tracker to die, but since I had trouble posting last night I'll just wait till the next big battle. No problem.

Cancelled ABC programs- There were several shows that I liked and I don't know why they cancelled them. There is one cartoon (that I remember) that I really, really didn't want them to stop showing. Of course, Gargoyles when they stopped I believe I said...oh what was that word...I know it was AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Jackal-Welcome back!

By the way there's a new movie coming out. I'll give you a hint. THINK OBERON! THINK TITANIA! THINK PUCK! THINK A MAN WITH THE HEAD OF A DONKEY!!!!!

King Arthur/Avalon-You know when Arthur first woke up and left Avalon. Wouldn't it be possible that he too went to different places around the world, because Goliath, Elisa, and Angela went several places before the King arrived in London.

Gorebash-Thanks for the fix.

New Power Rangers?- Dear God. These people are just like Barnie...THEY REFUSE TO DIE!!!!

Well I got work tomorrow night so that means I got to rest now to conserve strenght so...see you all later!!!

****RP!!!****
Tracker knew that even before the battle had begun that his allies would lose. A stealthy withdrawl was the best idea.
But soon he would have Jaden or he would die.
****END RP!!!****
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:14:24 AM
IP: pm1-27.sma.silcom.com

**NO RP TONIGHT. BUT WE WILL BE GIVING A VERY SPECIAL GIFT TO OUR OLD BUDDY MR. DISCONNECT. >:)**

[Mr. Disconnect walks into the room to see a large black jack-in-the-box on the floor with a note attached saying it's for him. Not suspecting a trap, he smiles and picks it up. Immediately the crank begins turning itself and playing a recording of Wilek singing something to the tune of Pop Goes The Weasel (and he's a darn good singer): "All around the Comment Room/The gargy chased the weasel/then along came an alien bug..." The box flies open and a facehugger leaps out. After five seconds (thanks to acceleration hormones, which wear off after the chestburster 'hatches'), a chestburster rips out of Mr. DC and squeaks the last five notes of Pop Goes The Weasel, then slithers off to play with the gators. The real Wilek appears on the screen.] Offlining me while I was switching sites earlier, thus locking up my PC, was bad enough. Locking me out of my e-mail account was pushing it. But taking down the CR, for however long...you went too far. NEVER tick me off. Hm, we need a name for that chestburster.

I've never seen Buffy The Vampire Slayer (I've seen the film but not the show), but maybe the plot of the recent one was left unexplained (from what I've heard) so it could be further revealed later. Like on Babylon 5.

Robby> <<Also, since costumes was just brought up, who else here thinks Frollo would have looked WAY cooler if he'd actually been modeled after his voice, Tony Jay? Tony>> Your last sentence, after 'Tony', was cut off or something.

Stormy> Kewl segue into yer lawyers pic. ^_^ That one dude looks like he could pass for a human if he hid his wings and tail.

Nazi stuff in Lion King> I never caught it actually, although I once saw Scar described as a 'leonine Hitler'.

Doug> <<If I ever see Pastor John or his like again, I may invite them over to my apartment to see that guy.>> Funny you should mention that; every time Frollo walked on screen, I kept thinking this guy was PERFECT Fundamentalist Extreme material. $Maybe the Masked Lich should resurrect him and create the Fundamentalist Extreme Reborn. >:) j/k$

Airwalker> <<Did Alex accidentally turn them into something>> Probably not, but I'd like to see an ep along those lines. :)

Coyote> Hm. The only Weird Al Yankovic song I have is 'Christmas At Ground Zero'. Kewl lyrics, but I can think up a much darker and more dramatic melody.

Xena> <<If you had the power how would you change humanity?>> I'd do to them what Puck did in The Mirror. :) j/k I'm not sure, really; I'm not used to having that kind of power and I'd have NO idea what to do with it.

Princess Estra> Welcome back!

Looney Tunes for adults> You know, it's ironic: I've always thought Looney Tunes was immature. :/

$Kyryn> Gargs on a 2000 inch TV? <drool> Maybe I should try to come to this party...$
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:10:38 AM
IP: tnt-1-105-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**BEGIN RP***

Kyryn looks up at the TV. "Ooh, TV. I haven't seen TV in 6 months." She sits down and her eyes glaze over. Bandit looks at her shrugs and starts holding up signs to the CR camera.

**PAUSE RP**

Blue Caern> I'm 30.

Looney Tunes> Yes, sometimes they're even more fun to watch when you're grown up, especially if you see some of the old war cartoons that they almost never show. As a kid, you sort of shrug and say "Ok." As an adult, you laugh yourself silly. I remember not getting the jokes about ration cards, "You know, A, B, or C cards..." until my grandmother explained the system of ration cards from WWII.

Wilek> No, I'm an insane garg, but that's okay. I fit right in here.

Ah well, I'm off for the night since I'm visiting Okami for the weekend.

**RESUME RP**

Bandit finishes posting to the room and grabs Kyryn, trying to drag her over to meet other guests. "But, but, but...Gargoyles is coming on!" Bandit sighs, turns to the room and shrugs with a 'what can you do' look on his face. The CR screen goes dark as the opening for Gargoyles rolls on the big screen.

**END RP**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Denton, TX
Saturday, January 30, 1999 01:02:45 AM
IP: denm3-21.iglobal.net

Hi, there I'm back!
Jewel> I don't think I understood what the question you were asking me. The names I had described were in my horoscope calander.

****WARNING STATEMENT UP AHEAD****

I appologise if the survey I responded to upsetted some of you. I've had meny things on my mind. Mainly the reason why I have so much problems commuting with humans. It seem the more I try, the harder it becomes.

The world around me seams so curupte (excuse the spelling if that is incerect). It's about power and money, "Whom ever has the most money has the power" they believe.

It a believe like that, that keeps a person like me from getting where I need to be. I am as animater/creater sruggling to start a cartoon series, I'm _very_ close on grabbing hold of the dream, but constenly on being delayed.

I sort of realize my dream and goals, but am still confused on why humans act without realizing what damages they cause. I don't know, it's hard to explain. Someday things will start to look right.

With everyones permission I'd like to end the statement with a question:

If you had the power how would you change humanity?

Well, that's all I have to say for now, bye.

****END OF STATEMENT****

Xena
N.Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Saturday, January 30, 1999 12:19:22 AM
IP: nvan-53-0111.direct.ca

*****BEGIN RP****
Sevarius Jr. is trying to find a cure for his mutated clone, who is slumped against a medical table.
"Hang in there, Two. I'm working on it."
What SJ doesn't see, is that SJ 2, using the inherent medical knowledge present in his genes, has just removed the neural paralyzer (this is my copout solution, folks).
"SJ?" the clone asks, once again standing tall.
"Yeah?" the original calls over his shoulder, still busy at work finding a cure.
"Forget the cure. I'm feeling muuuuch better now." SJ 2 grabs a laser scalpel and stalks toward his double...
****PAUSE RP****

Sorry if my RP is a little long tonight, I'm trying to make up for lost time.

Angel series: Everybody's been hinting that Cordelia's gonna join Angel...but she's gotta die first. Looks like they're gonna kill her off, and hey, after the way she treated Xander Tuesday night, she kinda deserves it in my book!

More Proof That The Apocalypse is Upon Us: This is just a rumor....It's probably just someone busting chops cause of all the recent tv cancellations....but somebody has stated that the Babylon 5 spinoff show, CRUSADE, has been scrapped. For a Bab5 fan like myself, that's the equivalent of standing at ground zero while the bombs rain down.
Of course, it's not likely. TNT has already spent time and effort making several episodes of the show already, even recently redisgning a few bits of equipment and costumes. And they did show "A Call to Arms", which was the tv movie that set up the show. But if I find the joker who started the rumor...evil things will happen!

Chulthus: I'm going a little crazy here. I've got to check out one of these little buggers. Maybe the local comic shop will have one. BTW, I asked that question of where to find them last night.....and I swear to God, last night I had the worst nightmare. Filled with every Lovecraft monster imaginable. For real. Spooooooky!

Nazis? Nazis and Disney together? *Insert joke here*

Robby: Man, you're like a genius with all the 'toon stuff! If ever I need a reference on a animated show/movie, you're the man to call.

Birdsong: Geez, you're running a TimeDancer marathon! Congrats, you have read more in one night than I have the last month! :)

Neverwhere 2: God, please let this be so. I know some Gaiman fans who didn't really care for the first one, but I loved it. It's a classic dark fantasy, a fairy tale for adults. I'd love for a sequel; the characters are just too good to simply drop them. I have to know more about Door! Does she find her sister? What about Richard? (I always thought he had a thing for Door myself) And the Marquis de Carabas--oh man! He's my favorite character in the book! Mind the Gap, folks.

Iron Wolf: Yep, it's no joke, acclaimed director Peter Jackson is making a live-action Lord of the Rings trilogy. All Tolkien fans should check out the site, "ain't-it-cool-news.com". Just search for Lord of the Rings, you'll get tons of info, plus two separate Q and A sessions with Jackson himself, who answers all sorts of questions by hardcore LOTR fans as to how the films will turn out. Read it, and salivate like I did! ;)

*****RESUME RP*****
SJ 2 continues to creep up behind the unsuspecting SJ, a laser scalpel in his hand. With a twisted grin, he slowly edges forward, planning to do in his twin....
....only SJ turns suddenly and catches him in the act. "Whatja doing?" he asks.
"I'm getting ready to rip your spleen out and eat it."
"Oh, well that's ok---WHAT??" SJ barely moves out of the way in time to avoid a deadly swipe by Two. "Hey, what gives? You're my clone! You're not supposed to act this way!"
"But I've mutated, remember! Better yet, I've evolved." Another swipe, another near miss.
"What--What do you mean?"
"I'm you, you moron. I have background in genetics. I was able to study my condition back on the Death Star. The so-called 'mutation' is only a side effect. My genetic structure is reforming itself."
"Into what" SJ asks, his eyes wide with fascination.
"An unknown life-form. A superior life-form. My cells are multiplying as we speak, growing stronger. Already my strength and speed have been augmented beyond normal human levels. My IQ will follow. I'll be a GOD."
"I'm happy for you," SJ says, searching for something to use as a weapon. He tosses down a bedpan in disgust. "But why are you trying to kill me?"
"Because I can't have two 'Juniors' running around. And because you're probably the only person who could figure out a way to reverse this mutation." He lunges at SJ, who receives a slight cut on his shoulder.
"So, you're willing to sell out to Thailog and the others?"
SJ 2 chuckles. "Thailog is a fool. First chance I get I'll infect the other clones, mutating them as I was mutated. They will be MY army. Thailog will then bend to my will. Normals will bend to the will of their clone masters!"
"You think you'll get away with this?" SJ asks. He realizes that he can't keep Two at bay for long.
"Of course I will. As soon as I kill you, 'brother', I'll take over this station. I can do it you know. No one here is strong enough to stop me."
<<Oh really?>> a voice cries out. At the doorway stands a hulking monstrosity of a man....one of the only people on board strong enough to take on the clone. Frankenstein's Monster. Frank, his expression calm, slowly rolls up his sleeves. <<Alright, Clone Boy. Time for your ass whoopin!>>
****TO BE CONTINUED! PAUSE RP*****
Sevarius Jr.
Friday, January 29, 1999 11:53:18 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

*in*

I don't think I've used the Sata pic before... So I'll use it now. ;)

Anyway, does anyone know when Timedancer is gonna start again? The other TGS fics kick a**, but IMO Timedancer's the best. (I've always liked stories involving time-travel, and Brooklyn's my fave gargs character) Anyway, that's all I was pretty much wondering... If you could respond, either here or preferably by EM or if you happen to see me in S8 chat or something... :)

Also, visit my site :) If you want to see a pic of Graeme that I drew, tack on malibu/graeme.jpg to the end of the URL linked to my name. (I haven't gotten around to making the thumbnail and editing my art page yet... I am a very good procrastinator... ;))

Anyway, I'll skidaddle before I start to ramble on about crap no one cares about... of course I may have already begun... ;)

*out*
Malibu Nylkoorb - [lordmalibu@hotmail.com]
Friday, January 29, 1999 11:26:31 PM
IP: ip251.minneapolis7.mn.pub-ip.psi.net

**RP!**

**The screen lights up to reveal ... the party now in fuller swing. The 2000-inch TV is now set up at the opposite end of the room from the band. Jim's currently taking a phone call from a neighbor thirty blocks away asking him to turn on the Simpsons.**

**Meanwhile, Coyote and Ravyn are sitting off to a side, watching the action. Jason and the Gearhead have apparently begun a drinking-under-the-table contest with each other.**

Hi, gang. You'd think Jason would've learned from his experience in Matamoros at New Year's ... or the Gearhead would've learned from his one-night stand. Oh well.

<"There you are.">

**Coyote and Ravyn's faces drop a little as Demona approaches them, having torn her attention away from Davy Jones.**

Why Demona ... what a pleasant surprise ...

<"Haven't seen you since Jim's last party, what's up?" "Why, Coyote, I never got a chance to thank you for the wonderful time I had at Jim's last party.">

Well ... gee ...

**Demona cold-cocks Coyote, who goes rolling away with the blow. Ravyn stands up in a fighting stance, but Coyote calls her back.**

WAIT! You're right ... I deserved that. I'm sorry I'm such a great poker player, but you have to admit those senators goaded you into it.

<"Senators? I don't remember ...">

Of course you wouldn't.

<"You were stoned off your butt last party. How do you think you wound up in a strip poker game, anyway?">

**Demona looks at Coyote, then to Ravyn, then shrugs.**

<"Oh well. What's done is done. Excuse me, I have to drool over Davy some more."> **Demona leaves.**

Whew ... that was close.

**PAUSE RP!!**

Robby: $D'OH!! Sorry, dude, but you're right ... great minds *do* think alike! :)$

Sevarius Jr.: Thank you for your nicely phrased opinion.

Wilek: Really, a lot of it was intended to be parodic of the Nazis. In fact, the book is that way as well, so much so that Heinlein left his original publishing house when they refused to publish it ... they said the fascist themes in the work were too controversial. Not only that, but WWII was also a recent memory, so it's understandable, y'know?

$As for who Frank is ... his TV set is the subject matter of a song by Weird Al Yankovic called "Frank's 2000-Inch TV." There've been other elements of the song included in mine and Robby's RP's (the size of Robert De Niro's mole on the screen, watching the Simpsons from thirty blocks away). Unfortunately, I beat him to the punch in introducing the TV to the RP.$

Vengeance Unlimited cancelled: THOSE DOUBLE-DOG RAT BASTARDS!!!

Stormy: Yes, I caught that one, too.

Doug: Actually, I've happened to think of another villain that was pretty ruthless ... he's in a movie related to the second half of my RP tonight: Kesslee.

Iron Wolf: If it takes as long to get a soundtrack together for AP as it did for "Heavy Metal," you'll be waiting a couple of years ... then again, the sdtrk. to Heavy Metal was rereleased *before* the video was.

James: Boy, you're a fast reader! :)

**RESUME RP!!**

<"Hey, what's going on out here?!">

**Jim's yell from where the tank and Charlotte are parked bring Coyote and Ravyn immediately to attention. They run out the door, only to find Jason and the Gearhead standing outside the tank, messing with the transporter.**

What're you guys doing?!

<"He bet me that I couldn't get this thing working interdimensionally. I'm trying to win that bet.">

You're drunk! Both of you!

<"I'll get the bottles.">

Yeah, just don't get too close, Rav. I don't even know what they're doing!

**The transporter suddenly powers up. When it powers down, another person is standing there ... a woman in raggedy, undersized clothes with huge army boots, sporting a torn-up near bald hairdo and smoking a pink cigarette.**

Ohhh no.

<"Hmm ... first thing's first. This tank needs some *style!*">

Oy.

**Coyote turns away from the scene, with Ravyn close behind. At the side of the tank, Jason and the Gearhead begin an animated conversation with the newly-beamed-in Tank Girl, as the screen winks off.**

Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, January 29, 1999 11:02:26 PM
IP: modem10.i-is.com

Okay finished Daylight Robby ]8-)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 10:49:37 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Robby> Read "Fleeting Moments" now on to "Daylight"
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 10:21:23 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Greetings all... been a while, since I've been busy of late with a lot of TGS stuff, and doing a revision/edit of my own fan-fic cycle "The DeGuy Saga" (Currently on "Visions Of Redemption", a Demona ep)...

Airwalker> The Coldduo? Have they left? <evil grin> I could tell you... I'm willing to tell you. I'm wanting to tell you! I'm _WAITING_ to tell you!!!

But, I can't... you'll have to watch future eps to see! :)
<A Cyber-cookie (Chocolate-&-Peanut Butter chip) to whoever can guess that line before this!>

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 10:18:43 PM
IP: m96.ieway.com

Where exactly did Coldstone, Coldfire, and Gabriel go off to? I could figure that Gabriel went back to Avalon, but didn't Coldstone and Coldfire agree to hang around the Eyrie for a while? So where are they? Did they change their minds and leave? Are they living off in some other part of the city? Did Alex accidentally turn them into something?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, January 29, 1999 09:28:31 PM
IP: 116.new-york-05-10rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Doug> The reason heros in Gargoyles wear as cool costumes as the villians is because most were villians. IE MacBeth, Fox, and Xanotos. See my point. hehe
Jamres Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 08:53:15 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Okay Robby me just finish Bucaneer. Again the musical xena episode comes to mind. Destiny knows what has to be but all consequences are your own creation. The Captain's comment to how the wind of fate controls the sails of the ship of where your ship of life goes but you are at the stearing wheel, Welllll that makes me think Brooklyn could have dropped the Phoenix Gate but he hasn't (at least not on purpose). So he should see ultimately he is controling his fate. Not where it takes him but whether or not it takes him. I hope you see how the captain's metaphor applys now.
Jamres Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 08:46:59 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Small Correction: Wagner and Caligo's characters are very much like those of Agony and Jadriel, too. Even though neither one of the latter is a gargoyle.

Ironwolf: I too would like to see an episode devoted to Oz. Out of all the characters on the show, he's the one I'm most like (after Giles, of course). Plus he's a cool guy and I like his wolf power. And he definitely has the show's most beautiful woman for his mate, that's a plus. Wonder what would happen if Oz met Vampire Willow in a dream. Evil creativity demon...

Okay, commercial's over. Back to Brimstone.
Doug again
Friday, January 29, 1999 08:19:27 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty63.as.wcom.net

A reprieve!!! <the rope breaks and Ironwolf scampers away> Thanks yall !
Hello to all the other newbies, and now a couple of responses

Coyote> There are people that didn�t like American pop?!? Great music and a wonderful story. I have friends who don�t like bakshi�s work but liked the movie. I picked mine up, ohh lets see I was working at Media play; uhhh eight months ago. One of my friends talked me out of the movie poster we had hanging up and I took(they handem out to employees:)!) sigh miss that job, but don�t miss being broke (pay was bad)
American Pop was probably the best movie musical in the last 20 years(dose it count as a musical?) Hey I wonder if there is a soundtrack out? time to shop:)

Tolkien > I have heard rumors of a live action Lord of the Rings Movie any one else here of this?

******spoiler for bough breaks*****
I liked it but one thought or question. A small blood sample would not hurt the baby so if George were to ask Richard I don�t see why he would refuse to get a sample. This could actually help the good guys by finding a means to turn the halflings back to human!
****end of spoiler/******

Neil gaimen> is there going to be a sequel to Neverwhere??? Pleassssssssssse say yes as for meeting him there is a couple of cons he has been at and might return to. do a web search on the name of the convention( convention names can be found in many gaming magazines, one of the cons is Dragon con
,Con tour magazine might be able to help you as well, or his editor on what cons he is going to attend

Cupid> great depress me why doncha. I can�t believe they are going to cancel it! I feel a movie line coming on �I need a gun a BIG gun�

Fire> yes I�m a Xanth fan and like hanging out at the ren festival(Chattanooga only 2 hours away as the normal person drives me I make it in one:>!)

buffy> I liked the new episoed, but who here would like to see one devoted to Ozz? A episode were he kicks a little but to oh I don�t know save Willow his life mate (hey wolves mate for life!!! gota respect them for that) Giving Ozz a little more control of his wolfen aspect would rock!!
pic is Xanatos
Iron wolf
Friday, January 29, 1999 08:09:41 PM
IP: host-209-214-40-23.cha.bellsouth.net

**RP BEGINS HERE**

The screen comes on, revealing Doug and the others with him battling the enemy Nazi stormtroopers. "Release the hounds!" General Fatface (sorry, the English translation of his name is easier to spell) shouts. One of the soldiers does so, and a raving horde of rabid German Shepards comes dashing out of the bad guys' trucks. Mist hisses and yowls back at them, then shifts to her humanoid form and begins blasting the dogs to pieces with her chaingun. Lathrop helps her with a few explosive fireballs, Fleur with some launched grenades, and Shauna with exploding arrows. Jaden hews down ranks of SS and Gestapo soldiers with his battle axe and Keith does likewise with his nunchuks as they try to fire back, only to have their guns clicking dry. Shap blows away Gretel Grosse with his Etone shotgun (shells charged with holy power), and Doug does the same to her brother Hans (who dies calling for his mommy) with his plasma shotgun. Then, while fending off the soldiers, Doug turns to make a post in the CR.

**PAUSE RP TEMPORARILY**

Birdsong: Cool musical RP. I liked the songs you picked.

Hank Scorpio: Oh yeah, he's cool. One of the Simpsons' three best incidental characters (the other two being Laura and the Space Coyote). Scorpio's one of my idols, like Xanatos. I love his coolness under pressure, and his ability to remain congenial even in the worst situations. He also had the best lines. Like when James Bond is escaping from him- "Get him! He's supposed to die!!" Hilarious. The Coyote also got some great lines (as did Homer in that episode). "Find your soulmate," huh? Well, I already have. (Her name is, of course, Kitainia.)

Angel Spinoff: I'm looking forward to seeing this. Glad they're not going to pair up Cordelia and Angel (I too can not see them together). If its charecterization and plots are half as good as Buffy's, it should be a great show.

Power Rangers: So they're good in Japan? Wonder why they don't show those episodes here. Oh yeah, here they have to deal with the stupid lazy-parents-supported Censhorship Bureaus. <sigh> As for Lost Galaxy, I'm not going to watch it. I lost interest in Power Rangers shortly after Rita married Zed. But I will give it a tongue-in-cheek reference in my next fanfic.

SJ: I really like the image you gave me of the Trix commercials. I would be cheering the rabbit on! We bought our Chulthu plush doll at the local comics and fantasy shop.

Cool villains: I too enjoy seeing villains get great outfits, personalities, attitudes, etc. And if the show's heroes get the same, that's even better. That's how it was on Gargoyles, and how I've seen it in most fanfic universes. I'm of course trying to make it that way in mine. :)

Wilek: $ You should know something I forgot to tell you. It's about Gatling Grizzly. He also has an Andy Warhol complex and enjoys taunting his victims before he shoots them. Really bad guy. And like Kitainia said, these guys are mostly Metal Gear-inspired. But I did get Storm Eagle's name from Mega Man X (which I've played a few times before). $

Frollo: I thought he made a good villain, too. Lust included. If I ever see Pastor John or his like again, I may invite them over to my apartment to see that guy. And judge their reaction. Muhahahaha!!!!

Estra: Missed you, friend. Welcome back to the Comment Room.

Storny: Great pic of Wagner and Caligo. I could just see them arguing before a jury. Wonder if Cyrway takes comissions. I'd like to see my characters Agony and Jadriel (who Wagner and Caligo helped inspire somewhat) in a similar scene. Jadriel would be in human form, of course. No lawyer suit could be big enough for him as a dragon.

Watching Brimstone right now. Looks like a good episode. If this show is going off the air after one season, at least I can count on it to go out with a bang. :)

Later all, I want to give it my full attention. Bye.

**RP AGAIN**

Fatface sees over half of his soldiers are out, and runs for the only tank in his battalion that still has shells left. The others are being systematically destroyed by Shauna's high explosive arrows hitting their fuel tanks. Doug turns from blasting the last Death-Knight-armored stormtrooper into oblivion and rolls out of the way as Fatface tries to run him down. Then he leaps up and grabs the tank's long main cannon, pulling himself up onto the top of the command turret. As Fatface swivels the cannon around to aim at the Onslaught, Doug opens the hatch and tosses in two grenades. Then he leaps off, and the tank explodes behind him. "Rosebud!!!" Fatface cries out as he is consumed in a blast of fire and noise. The tank is left a smoking ruin, and the remaining soldiers turn to flee. The Ravens keep shooting at them, cutting them all down before they can turn back. "Well," Keith says when the last one has fallen, "that takes care of those guys." "Yep," Doug nods. "Lathrop, start cleaning this mess up with your staff of teleportation and telekinesis. Send their bodies to the Elemental Plane of Fire or something." The wizard nods in approval and goes to work doing that. Doug then turns to Jaden and asks if his pal Tracker is among the dead. The werewolf begins looking as the screen goes blank. To be continued.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, January 29, 1999 08:08:14 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zop-vty63.as.wcom.net

Kitainia> What I have read of about the Angel spin off Angel and Cordelia will not be romantically involved in the series.
lLawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Friday, January 29, 1999 07:15:57 PM
IP: chil-ras5-1-cs-16.dial.bright.net

Nazism in Lion King: Oh, yeah. Although a friend of mine said it more resemembled Russian troops marching than Nazis. And seeing as Joseph Stalin wasn't exactly the nicest guy, that imagery fits, too. Scar fit Stalin better, I think.

Frollo: The "Hellfire" scene was the creepiest scene I'd seen in animation before the wall scene in Prince of Egpyt. I wish it had been released in America with a more suitable rating--I took my then little brother and foster sister to go see it when it came out, and they were only three at the time.

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.eduq]
Friday, January 29, 1999 07:08:49 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Image check- Tempting as it is to use Dumlao's pic once in the name of testing, not gonna do it... So this should be Elisa...

Hmm... I had written all the stuff I'm about to say last night, but apparently the room wasn't working... AH well...

Villains getting cooler costumes- Because the villain has to be more powerful, or more menacing, or more SOMETHING than the hero, since the measure of a hero is the villain he faces. So usually, creators have a lot of fun with villains, going over the top, or giving them really cool bits the hero just can't get away with. As well, usually the heroes are made to look simple and clean, in contrast to the villain... However, in my stories, ALL the characters get spiffy costumes...

Blue- Good pic choice, almost no one EVER uses that one for some reason...

Hunback's original ending- Basically, everyone died. Esmeralda AND Quasimodo. Disney changed the dark gothic ending for some reason... Also, since costumes was just brought up, who else here thinks Frollo would have looked WAY cooler if he'd actually been modeled after his voice, Tony Jay? Tony

ROBOTECH- Robotech is a Japanese series brought to America in the 80's... Cartoon Network started showing it early last year, and puts it on Toonami off and on. They only showed 2/3 of the series as the final third had a crossdresser for like... An episode... Oii... Right now they don't show it unfortunatley. And also, Lynn Kyle only got stepped on by a giant Zentradi in the Japanese version... However, if it ever comes back, WATCH IT.
Besides having one of the best storylines ever, (second only to Starblazers) great characters, realemotions, real situations, great mecha, music, etc. etc... It was just great... If not, read the books by Jack McKinney, they're even better... But beware Minmei and her terrible singing!

Explain Shenzi the caterer- I'll give it my best shot in tonight's Superbowl Party bit...

Looney Tunes for adults- What surprises me is the fact that this is surprising a lot of you... I've known that for years... But then, I'm an animation freak after all, I guess I take this kind of knowledge for granted... What... You think "What's Opera Doc" was made for kids? (By the by, thats my favorite one. Either that one, or "Barber of Seville." But the opera is NEVER shown on Cartoon Network, since Bugs is in drag for so much of that one... Grr...)

Power ranger sequals- Actually... They aren't sequals at all. In Japan, none of the series is at al related, outside of basic premise. Its Saban thats hooking them together like they are. Of course, in Japan, the shows are very good, I've seen a few...

James- Flight From the Forest is also one of the best stories from Timedancer, though personally thats because the Disney flick is one of my favorite animated films...

Nazi imagry in Lion King- I thought I was the only one that caught the Hyenas goose stepping!
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, January 29, 1999 07:02:40 PM
IP: spider-ta073.proxy.aol.com

Just read "Dishoner" Robby. Thought you'd like to know.k bye
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 06:53:23 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Robby> Okay finished "Flight of the Forest", very nice. I wasn't surprised at the abbot and sheriff being illuminus. Read that here a week ago. Still it was nice to see my theory on the spear carrier was correct. (broad smile) Well back to the novel I go. ?:-)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 06:25:48 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

VIOLENCE: Actually, I don't recall any one complaining about violence in the RP--the point was that if the swearing, drug and sex content had to be kept to PG rating on this board, then violence on the board pretty much as to be PG as well in the interests of fairness.

ROBBY: Actually, in Canada HUNCHBACK was rated PG, as were Mulan and Prince of Egypt, and I've seen videos of THE LAST UNICORN with either G or PG ratings.

COYOTE: Thanks...I'm still not going to be making any "Wagner in the SS" pics due to my own personal feelings, but it's nice to know everyone doesn't think I'm a card carrying member of Aryan Nation just because of teh past of one of my fic characters.

BTW, anyone catch the Nazi imagery in the "be prepared" sequence of LION KING? Scar on the podium, goose-stepping ranks of hyenas and the lighting like banners?

DOUG: *Wagner changes out of the Wehrmacht uniform to avoid being mistaken with one of the RP Stormtroopers...*

*thinking about possibly offending someone...changes into a lawyer suit*

*looks down at legal papers, scratches his head at the Latin terms, says "CALIGO! GET IN HERE!"

And so, I link to the following pic by Amy K. Cyrway....click...
Stormy - [<--Wagner and Caligo, attourneys at law]
Friday, January 29, 1999 05:59:53 PM
IP: clifford-203.wcl.on.ca

Kitinia> No problem
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 05:52:37 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

I'm now at "Flight into the Forest" where Robin is introducing the Merry Men and when he introduced a man named Robin GoodFellow I fell out of chair in suprise. SHOCKING!. Why does that name sound so familer (laughs) Something from Shakespere I believe.hehe. (thinks of Puck for some unknown reason) WHOA!
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, January 29, 1999 05:51:28 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

**FIRST SOME RP**

The screen comes on, revealing the bridge of Lagor's Super Star Destroyer. The radar officer watches Wilek's TIE drone speed away, mistakes it for the Dark Star, and tells his commander, "Admiral, there it goes into hyperspace!" "After it!" Lagor shouts back, and the ship gets underway. They manage to pursue the TIE drone halfway across the galaxy before it jumps out of and then back into hyperspace very close to a supernova. The Super Star Destroyer, lacking precalculated hyperspace coordinates, is unable to follow it quickly and gets hit by a stellar flare from the exploding star right in its bridge. Lagor and his officers scream as they are incinerated, then their ship crashes into the supernova and is quickly consumed. The TIE drone speeds on, oblivious. Jerec, who has been watching the scene from he and Thailog's secret base, sees what has happened and lets out a string of curses.

The scene changes to the Bates Motel lobby, where Kitainia and those with her are about to go outside and face the second group of slave movie monsters. Before they do, Kitainia turns to make a CR post.

**PAUSE RP**

Hi all, I'm back. Good to see all of you. Thanks to everyone for supporting and condoning the RP, especially Dumlao. Don't worry, we will keep the violence at a low level (not gory or gratuitous), I'm just glad it's here to stay.

Kaioto- I noticed Graeme talking to Lucy. Seeing them doing that makes me wonder if they'll become friends in RL as well as online soon. Or maybe even more. They certainly have compatible enough personalities for it. :)

Thanks for your well-wishes about me being a counselor. Although I am not going to do marriage counseling. I think most couples who need it are crazy. They get at each other's throats just because she won't fix him dinner or he left the toilet seat up? Excuse me while I gag! They should have worked out how to live with each other, faults and all, before they got married, it could save them a lot of money and pain. (That's of course what Doug and I are doing.) Next to these problems, the ones of teenagers with school and family seem easier for me to handle. So that's why I'm going for high school or family counseling instead. As you told me, hope I have good luck.

Todd: You weren't the only one who wished they'd explained that plot better. Oh well, at least the one with Xander was well done, he got in some great character development. Especially his relationship with Faith, and the confrontation with O'Toole where he asked "Who has less fear?" I loved that part.

Lady Mystic: Thanks for the info on fertility drugs, I didn't know much about them before. So the octuplets are a side effect, eh? Now I even less want to take fertility drugs. No way am I having that many kids! (Especially not at once.)

Welcome to all newcomers, sorry I didn't say so before!

She's All That: I too like those anti-drug commercials and think the girl in them is pretty. They gave that movie a really dumb review in the paper today. I'll see it tomorrow and post my own thoughts then. I know I'll probably think better of it than the critic.

Brimstone, Vengeance Unlimited, and Cupid are all being cancelled? No! This is terrible. Now there'll only be five shows I watch on TV that aren't in eternal rerun heck- Buffy, X-Files, Simpsons, Batman Beyond, and Ally McBeal. These three were good shows, too, they all had excellent plots, expressed emotions, and character development. Darn executives. I just hope some other network will pick them up so that the stories will continue. If not, there's always fanfic, right?

Doug- That line was said by Pinky, right? <Doug nods and hands her a cyber-cookie>

Jackal: You're not all bad. Your posts do make sense on occasion, and as I always say, if someone's sane enough to tone down their level of craziness (as you claim to do when you're in the CR), they can't be completely crazy. About your children, once again I'm sorry for raising concern about it earlier. Judging by how you say you're raising them, you're doing a job that would make most parents proud.

I agree with you about Hunchback. It was a good movie, but should not have been rated G. Oh well, at least Frollo made a more interesting villain when one includes his hypocrisy and lust.

Angel Spinoff: I'll reserve judgement on this one until it comes out. It will probably be a lot like Forever Knight, which was a very good show. Angel and Cordelia are also good characters, I'd like to see them as stars. But not together, if Whedon makes them a couple, I think he'll be making a huge mistake.

Lone Wolf: I too once enjoyed these books. They were all very challenging Choose-Your-Own-Adventure type stories with an excellent role-play system and fantasy element. Too bad they stopped making them. Oh well.

Metal Gear Solid: I like that game a lot myself. It has a great commando feel, especially in the parts involving sniping and usage of C4. It's also really challenging avoiding the guards, and fun after you get Stealth camoflauge and can annoy the heck out of them without being spotted. I love doing that. Hopefully, they'll give the sequel to the game a 2-player option where Snake and Meryl (who he's been training) must both dodge and avoid the guards, help each other when they get in trouble, fight bosses together, and so on. That sort of game would be very interesting, challenging, and fun. It would also be neat to see Snake infiltrating such areas as the Pentagon, the White House, Camp David, and Area 51, battling Ocelot and the other minions of the evil President Solidus. (Judging by the ending of the last Metal Gear game, this is what will happen in the sequel.) Should be great.

Wilek: $ Those guys are all Metal Gear-inspired except for Storm Eagle. She was dreamed up by Doug, and gets her name from Mega Man X. Which is also a great game. $

Plush Chulthus- We bought ours at the local comic book, game, and fantasy stuff store- Dragon's Lair. It's real cute and cuddly, even though Chulthu is supposed to be the antithesis of that. I guess irony is what makes it sell. :)

Kyryn: I too was a little startled by Roy Fokker's death. Glad we grew up on much the same shows ( I saw MASH and Emergency in reruns), thanks for backing me up on TV violence.

Looney Tunes: So it was originally for adults, eh? No wonder I laugh harder now when I watch it than I did when I was a kid. I still have lots of tapes of that show (it and Gargoyles are the only shows I have the complete episode sets of), and if and when I have kids, they will definitely be watching them. :)

Fire: I agree with you about the right ways to teach kids about guns. I was taught to use one at the age of fourteen by my Uncle Brian, and since then I've always used it responsibly. Thanks go out to you too for backing me up on the violence discussion.

Blue: No, sorry, I don't remember that book. Let me know if you recall the title or author, it sounds interesting. Thanks for your RP compliments, I think they're very creative too. As for ages, Doug and I are 19.

Birdsong: I too enjoyed your musical RP. Thanks for posting it in here.

Power Rangers: Lost Galaxy: Another Power Rangers show? God, make it stop! If they want to get rid of shows that are doing the same things over and over too much (I assume that's partly why they're axing Cupid, Vengeance Unlimited, and Brimstone), Power Rangers should be at the top of the list. I mean every episode of that show is basically the same deal- monster attacks Angel Grove spouting stupid dialogue, PRs find monster and kick its ass, monster grows big, PRs get in Zords and kick its ass again, it goes bye-bye. Interspersed with bad cliched character moments that are usually in major lack of continuity. I can't believe this show has spawned so many sequels and clones. :(

Trix commercials: I hate those, too. Talk about kids not being taught to share. And cruelty to cute nice animals! Grr..

Robby: Yeah, I've found myself looking at villains and thinking how cool they are many times. Especially Gargoyles ones. I had the biggest crush on Xanatos. :) Venom, Joker, Catwoman, Mr. Freeze, Demona, Thailog, Madoc, Sekhmet, Loki, Garlon, George Harrison, Darth Vader, Jericho (from Christine's work), Silvan, Jadriel, the Rose (from Doug's work), and Spike are among the other villains I really enjoy seeing in action. And there was also that one incidental Simpsons character Hank Scorpio. He was a really cool villain. UN soldiers crashing through his roof, exchanging gunshots with his employees and him, and when Homer walks in and asks what's going on, he answers, "Oh, I'm just having some trouble with the government." Hah!

Estra: Hey, I remember you! Welcome back to the Comment Room.

Gore: Thanks for fixing the problem.

That's all for now, later.

**RP AGAIN**

Kitainia nods at the team, who follow her out of the motel. Traveler, who has just returned from beaming SJ's dad and clone onto the Dark Star, brings up the rear beside a whimpering and scared-looking Kenny. Jack (from The Shining) and his monsters immediately pounce on them. Tricia zaps Jack to death with her own psionic powers, saying "How do you like that medicine?" The team then clears a path through ghosts, vampires, zombies, etc. that he brought along using their guns, spells, martial arts moves, etc. In the process, Kitainia shoots down Cujo as the psycho dog leaps at her, then spins around and also blows away the mutant dog from Man's Best Friend. The team finally reaches its car, only to find it is infested with all the evil cats from the movie Strays, led by Church, the undead cat from Pet Sematary. "You won't get away from me this time, Ravens!" the Masked Lich raves from somewhere nearby as the team is trapped between hissing evil cats on one side and the remaining monsters who were with Jack coming up behind and on their flanks. "Help!" Kenny shouts, going crazy with fear. "We have to keep fighting!" Kitainia tells him and the others, cutting down Church with her laser as the screen goes blank. To be continued.

**END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Friday, January 29, 1999 05:30:31 PM
IP: hil-qbu-ppv-vty163.as.wcom.net

no worries, it's working now.

sorry for the downtime.
Gorebash - [gorebash@s8.org]
Friday, January 29, 1999 05:15:52 PM
IP: www.s8.org

Wilek Nerus> Glad you like the idea. It took me 1/2 hour to write.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:52:37 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

hi, all, remember me? been a while. i'm not sure how long. time means nothing in the passing realm. ever been there? it's all black and white and dry....
*cough* never mind me and my schizophrenic artistic voyagers. just came to say, (as always) HERE HERE! i *loooooove* this page to death!
well, hopefull not to death. that would be a bad thing. i'm almost all caught up on reading fanfiction. *whew* and i've been working on some of my own.
now, as to why i have neglected to post. well, there are only a few good reasons.
one-- i've been trying to figure out how to use AOL IM, (my IM screen name is wolfhackr, in case your remotely interested)
two-- new semester. stress. 'nuff said.
three--- um, there were three?

i'll post as often as possible, sorry you guys, i like annyoying you.

and about Neil Gaiman: i loved his series, the Sandman. haven't gotten a hold of anything else of his, tho.

Princess Estra - [puck_wanderer@juno.com]
Seattle, Washington, a country where we have to stand and salute a red, white and blue flag. with the rest of the address, i'm sure you'll figure it out.
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:45:03 PM
IP: spider-wj013.proxy.aol.com

SJ: Yup, I got to meet Neil Gaiman and was sitting about, oh, three feet away from him during his talk. He's definitely a really nice person in person. He did talk about the Neverwhere movie. He just finished working on the third version of the script: he'd finished the second, and the company making the movie called him to tell him to put in some of the scenes they asked him to cut/change. He also said that he's going to be working on a sequel to Neverwhere and told us about a few of the ideas for it that he's thinking of.

The new Angel series: When is it supposed to start, anyway?

Power Rangers: *Another* one? <starts twitching>

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:23:29 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

**BEGIN RP!**

[Wilek: "SHOOT! More Imperial ships?! We don't have time for this! Rho, launch our World Devastator-class factory ship!" A large ship leaves the docking bay and begins eating the enemy vessels. It can't handle them all, so the Dark Star's ion cannons and Borg disruptors begin ripping into them as all the DS's other vessels begin docking.]

**PAUSE RP!**

Robby> Battle Beasts...little inch high mutate-lookin' thingies that had big mechanical animal vehicles? Oh, I have some of those, I'd just forgotten what their name was! Thanks for reminding me! Oh, and what *was* Hunchback's original ending? $And who's Frank?$ <<Lynn Kyle got stepped on by a Zentradi>> This show sounds interesting; is it on anymore?

<<if you don't get to graphic & gratuitous, post whatever the hell you want! ~Dumlao X>> THE GREAT AND MIGHTY DUMLAO HAS SPOKEN. Therefore: [Dark Mage Wilek casts a spell, and Mr. Disconnect appears on the Dark Star.] This is for making me try five or six times for an Internet connection, dirtbag. [Wilek tailwhips Mr. DC until he can barely see straight, then lets Forfexx play with him. Forfexx's idea of play involves knives, hooks, chainsaws, drills, and blenders. Fun ensues.]

LM> <<The creators had produced these comedic shorts as a form of recreation for adults who came home from a hard day's work.>> The Internet has given us an expression that serves as the perfect reaction to this news: WTF?!?!

Argent> <<How come the bad guys almost always seem to get the cooler costumes?>> I've noticed that. The only good guy I've seen who has much style in that regard (except from Gargoyles and its fanfics) is Alucard, son of Dracula, from the Castlevania series. Basic black with a matching cape is THE kewlest costume EVER. Gargs, of course, don't need to concern ourselves with much in the way of clothing (we are the only sentient beings who actually make loincloths look good), but humans can't go wrong with the aforementioned ensemble.

Todd Jensen> Aren't the Mi-Go moth-winged crabs or something? I'd like a cuddly beany baby of that. (If a Jabba The Hutt BB or a Wampa BB can be cute, a Mi-Go BB can be cute. :P )

Kyryn> <<I am dieliberaitly leaving in all my typos in theis post as an example>> You're a very nrave gaerg (that was supposed to be 'brave garg'; I can't even read my own non-corrected posts.

Am I the only one here who's never seen Cupid (but I've heard about it)? Somehow I can't get into shows like that.

Doug> $Thanks much for the info; it's all I'll need and then some. Hm...Vapor Serpent, Storm Eagle, Uzi Caracal, Shootist Tarantula, Orca Doppleganger, and Gatling Grizzly? Are they from Metal Gear or Mega Man X? :P j/k$

Iron Wolf> Ach, don't beat yourself up. Teeny tiny little things like that tend to become bizarre and elaborate in this place. Look at Shenzi, our caterer. I dare anyone to attempt to explain her origins. Even I'm not sure what's up with her, and I think I'm the one who introduced her.

Coyote> Wow, I didn't know about that Starship Troopers Nazi stuff, I just thought it was about a bunch of ppl being eaten by bugs. Or did I just describe a New York apartment?

A Gargs musical? Well...I bet Demmy would be a beautiful singer. I can just see her singing something to the tune of Sally's theme from A Nightmare Before Christmas. Has anyone here ever heard that? It's one of the best Disney songs ever, right next to Frollo's song from Hunchback and Scar's song from The Lion King.

Speaking of Disney movies, did y'all know that Scar is a descendant of the Nubian Lion from Greek mythology?

A new Power Rangers series? Oh yeesh. I've seen that one's Zord toys in stores. Now, I kinda like the previous Zords (Forgive me, I'm a tech fanatic; the Zord mechas are the only remotely redemable part of that show), but the latest ones...even *they* stink.

A new favorite quote>
"I had a little trouble with the fireplace."
~Judge Claude Frollo. If you remember the sequence immediately preceding this, you'll understand. >:)

**RESUME RP! KINDA LONG.**

[Rho: "All our ships have docked!" Wilek: "Good! Get us out of here! Anywhere!" The Dark Star jumps to hyperspace. Rho: "What about the beacon? They can still find us." Wilek: "I've a sneaky idea...Fit a TIE Droid with a hyperdrive and put the beacon on it, then send it all over the galaxy in the most insane and psychotic flight path you can possibly imagine, in and out of hyperspace. The bad guys will be so busy tracking it, thinking it's the Dark Star, that they'll probably drive themselves insane." After a few minutes, the Dark Star drops back to sublight and launches the modified TIE Droid. Both enter hyperspace just as the Imperal fleet catches up to where they just were and then runs off after the fighter. Kari: "What about getting back to Earth? We'll never get by all those psychos and that Metal Gear thing." Wilek: "Are you still here?" Kari: "Yeah, and I'm BORED. I haven't had much to do; space combat isn't my thing." Wilek: "Oh...do you want to join your brother at that party?" Kari: "You bet!" Wilek: "OK, I'll have Rho prepare one of our black shuttles for you." This is a standard Lambda-class shuttle with microdiffracted carbon stealth armor, and the engine thrust is violet instead of blue because it's frequency-shifted to lower its detectable emissions. Wilek: "SJ and Frankie can go too if they want; we can stealth-rig their TIE Scimitar. Where *is* SJ anyhow?..."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:20:08 PM
IP: tnt-2-128-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Selanit> Uh, thanks for the advice! And I guess I'll see you at the Insanity Festival, if it's still on.

Lexy> Good to see you here too. *g*

Well, seeing that I will try to post here regularly, I've decided to try this text color and pic (Sara Jasper). Hope no one objects. And... woohoo! Tomorrow is Friday! Yes, I know I'm stating the terribly obvious, but I'm so glad the weekend is almost here!
Blue Caeru
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:15:21 PM
IP: ppp-15-ts28.nerdc.ufl.edu

Well I'm glad you liked it Robby. It took me a half hour to write that musical Roleplay
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:13:35 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Argent: <<How come the bad guys almost always seem to get the cooler costumes?>>
Cause they're just cooler! Period!
Seriously, I think it's a necessary requirement. The "cooler" the villains look and act, the more interesting they are. Heros don't need to be fighting some bland, generic bad guy. They need nemesis' who are just as flashy and dynamic as they are. Plus, in this day and age, the lines between good and bad have begun to blur. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish the villains from the heroes. (A good example is Spawn--yeah, he's a hero, but ultimately he does come from Hell. Or take the Punisher. He's a good guy only in that he stops criminals--but he kills them in the process.)
One could even further with the discussion, on how in modern times the villains are more often than not more popular than the heroes they fight. Honestly, haven't you found yourself looking at characters like the Joker or Venom, or even our own Unseelie, and thinking to yourself about how "cool" they are?

American Pop/Bakshi: I really don't want to hurt your feelings, Coyote. But you must count me among those who are not fans of Bakshi. I personally didn't like his Lord of the Rings, but I will admit Tolkien isn't exactly the easiest material to translate to film, animated or otherwise (good luck to Peter Jackson and his live-action Rings trilogy currently in production). I've seen trailers for American Pop, and I wasn't that thrilled, but if it has a good plot and is nicely written, who am I to argue?
My main complaint is rotoscoping. I HATE rotoscoping. I know that it's devised to make 'toons look more lifelike, but I've never liked it. Isn't one of the whole points of animation is that it's *not* live-action? It has a different view, a different style. To me, rotoscoping always looked far to odd for my tastes.

Cupid: Thanks to all who supported my statement and supported the show. The bad news is that it doesn't look like ABC will wise up and not cancel it. The good news is that other networks, namely Fox and the WB, have expressed an interest in picking it up, which I believe is a wonderful idea. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
As for Brimstone, well, this is just wishful thinking, but how about it being picked up by another network? Here's a thought: the Sci-Fi channel. Hey, I know it's a basic cable channel, but they picked up "Sliders" didn't they? And if you check their line-up, they replay tons of other shows Fox has given the death sentence: Space Above and Beyond, the Visitor, Mantis, Strange Luck, etc. Brimstone is a great show, and it would certainly be a welcome addition to the line-up.

Vengeance Unlimited: Still don't hate ABC? Now you will. I just found out that yes, this show has also been given the axe. Which is a shame too, cause Michael Madsen is a talented actor, and the show seems to be pretty good.

Deuce: Glad you weren't offended by my reference to your age. But like I said, you're one smart "kid", and certainly mature beyond your years. Honestly, until I actually knew your age, I thought you were much older!
But you brought up a good point about TGS.....So, it has a 9th grade reading level, huh? That's interesting, cause I believe I've heard that the average reading level for the American adult is only 7TH or 8TH. TGS writers, you're only *this* far away from Shakespeare! ;)

Doug: Say, where do you buy your Chulthu plush toys? I've always wanted a stuffed representation of one of the supreme dark gods of evil. Plus it'll look cool in my room, next to my collection of Todd McFarlane Toys' "Movie Monsters" figures. I collect the weirdest things........

Jewel: You got to meet Neil Gaiman?? I don't think I've ever envied another person as much as I do right now. Along with Clive Barker and Harlan Ellison, the guy's my favorite writer!
Glad to hear that "Princess" is moving along too. And, not a slam on Disney, but I'm glad it's following a more adult content. BTW, did he say anything about the Neverwhere movie? I'm dying for this to come out, but I've heard absolutely zippy about it.

Angel series: I hear it's supposed to follow a darker path than Buffy. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I've never really cared much for Angel myself, but I'll have to reserve any criticism until I've actually seen the new show.

Blue & Fire: Lurk no more! Have a seat, prop your feet up, and ignore those strange, horrifying screaming sounds coming from that closet over there. The comment room welcomes you!!

Starship Troopers: Hey, I don't mean to bring up something from the other room, but is Greg working on something based on Starship Troopers? If so, what is it? I'm a big Robert Heinlein fan, and I wanna know!

Trix rabbit: If only I ran those commercials. Talk about violence?
Kid: "Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids!"
Rabbit then whips out an Uzi, kills every muthaf***a in the room. "Not anymore, they ain't."

Taco Bell Chihuahua? I love that dog! Best commercials on television! (other than the drug commercial with the girl from "She's All That." I wanted her phone # too, Doug!).
Here leezard, leezard, leezard!

****RESUME RP****
While Admiral Lagor's Super Star Destroyer begins its assault on the Dark Star, Sevarius Jr. visits his clone in his holding cell.
"Two? Are you alright?"
The clone's eyes, previously closed, flutter open. "Junior?" he rasps. "Is that you?"
"Yeah, I'm here. Listen up, if we survive the next few minutes, I'm gonna help you out. You should see the labs they got here! Gimme a few minutes....maybe days....we'll find out how to reverse this mutation thing. Okay? You'll be good as new."
A pained look crosses the clone's face. "Junior.....you have to help me. You have know idea how much it _hurts_. I....I can't take the pain."
"It's okay, I'll help you out. We're gonna fix this thing, we--"
"SJ," the clone gasps. "I'm dying. This mutation is only the first stage of what will happen to me. Unless you release me from my bonds now....take me to the lab....something much worse is going to happen."
SJ's brow furrows as he debates what to do. On one hand, his clone could be lying.....but then again, if he wasn't, then he was dying and SJ would just be sitting by and let it happen. He waits, thinking things over. Then, carefully, he removes the clone from his restraint form. SJ 2 slumps in his double's arms.
"Thank...you." he whispers.
"I'm gonna get you to the lab. But no funny business, okay? The neural paralyzer's still in your noggin', so if you try to start something, you'll drop like a rock. Okay?"
"Fine," the clone mutters, beginning to shake. "Just get me to the lab..."
****END RP FOR NOW****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:04:31 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

Image check- Tony Dracon

Looney Tunes made for adults- While that may have originally been the case, and its clear to anyone who watches the things, the fact is, the cartoons have been around for so long, most people grew up watching them, and have childhood memories of them... And since in america cartoons are supposedly only for kids well... It adds up to clasic cartoons always being thought of as for kids only. Kinda like Trix.

Speaking of Trix being for kids... Why is it, that even though EVERY time there is a vote to see if the rabbit gets some, the rabbit always wins and gets some ONCE, and then in the very next commercial he is being denied? Is that fair on the poor Trix rabbit? I think not!

American Pop? Heck, its a Baski film I never heard of... Gotta see it for that reason alone...

Kyryn- YOU said ROBOTECH! HEY! There's a topic I could go on all day about... Especially since I'm currently reading the follow up book series, Robotech: The Sentinals... But I won't talk all day about it becayse well for one tis night... But also because anyone whos seen Robotech has seen it and knows all about it... Anyone who hasn't anything I said would be spoiling... And Roy Fokker's death was indeed a shock.. That was the intent. He was the first ever animated character, who had a central part, to be killed in America... Unfortunatloey they cut out the scene where Lynn Kyle got stepped on by a Zentradi...

Christine- The people interviewed on the Daily Show don't catch the sarcasm, because well... If they're being interviewed they're kinda weird to start with...

Iron Wolf- No harm done... Gave us something to talk about for two days. Though the topic seems to pop up fairly frequently actually...

Canon- Timedancer will be starting up again real soon... Its just taking a while due to technical difficulties... But with a bit of work, new TimeDancer stories will be coming VERY soon...

Fire- Yep, Atlanta and Archmage are the two pictures we've discovered to not be working so far. We're going down the list to try and find all the problems, and on Sunday I'm going to do a massive sweep of them all if no one has any objections to it.

Blue- Did I say hi to you yet? I don't recall. If not, hi!

Bad shows staying on... Power Rangers: Lost Galaxy starts in February. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Having kids watch the episode "Deadly Force" to teach them about guns- That is, if Disney ever shows that one again.. Toon Disney skipped it last time I checked... But then, there's always my copies...

James- I remeber the Xena episode "The Bitter Suite" very well... Its one of the few I've managed to tape! As faras your musical Gargoyles episode... Sounds like fun... But it'll work better if done with original songs... Fun project I'd take up myself, if I didn't already have a ton of other duties...

Coyote- Aw man! You stole my blasted RP idea for the night! I was gonna bring in Frank's 2000 inch TV... Weird... great minds think alike? Now I haveta come up with something else...

Princess Mononoke and the Disney release- Disney CAN'T cut any footage, since the film won every major award Japan has to offer. But last I heard, they were releasing it through one of their other lines so that the Disney name itself doesn't get in trouble...

Lexy- Hey, you're back!

** JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY ** (Not my fault if this is bad, Coyote stole my idea!)

Jim looks at the giant TV, smiles, and then goes off to attend other buisness. Who knows wat, its a decent sized party, he's probably got lots of things to keep him busy. Someone turns the television on, and we see Robert DeNiro, who's mole has gotta be six feet wide. Someone approaches the guy serving the drinks Coyote brought, and speaks to him.
"Hey, I want a drink." The drink server looks for the voice, but can't see who's asking. "HEY! Yo quiero drink!" Upon looking down, ti becomes apparent that the Taco Bell Chiwawa is now attending! But before the dog can be served, Brooklyn arrives on the scene, takes a bottle, and chugs half of it, worm and all. And is immediatley drunk.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 10:28:21 PM
IP: spider-wa013.proxy.aol.com

Hm...Kaioto..Selanit..Blue..all here hey? humm no wonder the chat room is so dull..:)
lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
West Bend, WI, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 09:57:08 PM
IP: d089.hnet.net

Blue> I still don't think I understand, but you know what?
<sings, song from Rudigore by G&S, fast 4/4 time>
It really doesn't matter, no, it really doesn't matter,
No, it really doesn't matter!
Matter, matter, mutter, mutter . . .

If I had been so lucky as to have a steady mother,
Who could talk to me as we are talking now to one another,
Who could give me good advice when she discovered I was erring,
Which is just the very favor which on you I am conferring . . .

<G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria, Thursday, January 28, 1999 09:41:49 PM
IP: cdss1.colorado.edu

Plush Cthulhus: Umm, no.

Anime/Neil Gaiman fans: I just got back from a Neil Gaiman book signing/reading from "Stardust." Tres cool. I got three things signed: "Preludes and Nocturns," "The Kindly Ones," and "Smoke and Mirrors." Now, here's why I titled this 'anime/Neil Gaiman fans": Someone asked him about Princess Mononoke. He's finished the screenplay. No, it s *not* being Disney-fied. They *wanted* it to be for adults and they wanted the dialogue to reflect it. They had cut some of the stuf he wrote, but they added it back in. It's going to be a release to movie theaters, not video. So it looks like it should be close to the Japanese version.
jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 09:34:18 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Every one their is going to be a spin off of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. It will be called Angel in the series it will star Angel and Cordelia and there will be a crossover episodes in the series so some of the Buffy The Vampire Slayer stars will make a guest appearnces in a episode of Angel.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, u.s.a.
Thursday, January 28, 1999 09:12:23 PM
IP: chil-ras4-2-cs-17.dial.bright.net

**RP!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal ... Coyote and Ravyn entering the mansion and seeing the party up to a fever pitch. The Monkees are playing up on a stage set up at the end of the living room, with Demona sitting beside it, oogling Davy with the sparkly-eyes thing going. The Turtles and the Trio are dancing out on the floor. Pinky and the Brain are sitting off to one corner, the Brain already having taken a shot out of the tequila.**

**Coyote and Ravyn look at each other, flash wide, goofy grins, then jump in the madness. Jim Iza Noying approaches them.**

Hey, Jim! Nice party going here!

<"Yeah, and it'll be even better now that you've got the tequila here!" **kisses Rav's hand** "Ms. Maza, as always a pleasure."**Ravyn laughs**>

**looks around** Just one little question, Jim ... where's your TV? How're we going to get to see the game?

<"Oh, it's due right about ...">

**A horn sounds outside the front door.**

<"... now.">

**PAUSE RP!!**

American Pop: Whew ... I'm glad nobody here's given backlash to my review of that movie like that I've gotten in the other room. Let's just put it this way, there are some very low opinions of Ralph Bakshi in the other room.

Ironwolf: You're forgiven.

Deuce: That sounds like my room, actually ... not to mention every college dorm room I ever had. :)

Ages: I posted my birth year last week ... if ya do the math, it makes me 24 this year. **shudder** Gawd, I'm feeling old! :)

SJ: They cancelled Cupid?! THOSE RAT BASTARDS!!!
Say ... have you heard if they cancelled "Vengrance Unlimited," as well? I like that show ... one of the uniquer crime/suspense shows on the tube right now, not to mention Michael Madsen's first TV work, if I'm not mistaken.

Robby: $You should know me by now ... I'm a peaceful, law-abiding citizen! :)$

Stormy: Hmm ... interesting you should mention Nazism and offensiveness ... I bought myself a copy of "Starship Troopers" this afternoon, which I'm sure everyone in here is aware has a lot of neo-Nazi imagery (sequences intended as parodies of "Triumph of the Will," the uniforms, the general attitudes of the characters toward the bugs). You'd expect a lot of offended people, especially amongst the Jewish community, right?
Wrong.
A spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League was quoted in EW as saying something about the Nazism in that film was not ofensive to Jews, primarily due mainly to the fact that it's overkilled to the point of parody.
My point to this? Hmm ... maybe I had one, but it got lost. Anyway, I thought I'd toss that one in. :)
Oh, now I remember! I would not worry about offending anyone by showing Wagner in a Wehrmacht uniform, or an SS one for that matter ... considering that what Neal Patrick Harris was wearing by the end of ST pretty much amounted to an SS uniform.

Incidentally, the pic is supposed to be Lex, but I'm pretty sure it's showing up.

**RESUME RP!!**

**Coyote and Ravyn come outside with Jim to see what the workers on the truck are unloading: it's a TV bigger than anything either of them has ever seen before.**

Jim?

<"Yeah?">

Um ... exactly *how* big is that thing and where the *hell* did you find it?!

<"This? It's 2000 inches. And I bought it off of a guy named Frank, actually.">

**Coyote and Ravyn simultaneously slap their own foreheads, going back inside the mansion as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, January 28, 1999 08:20:14 PM
IP: modem61.i-is.com

Selanit> In reference to the Ivory Tower, your reply to Kaioto. In my very first post here, I said something about you knowing what you're doing with your life and such... um, is it cleared up yet?
Blue Caeru
Thursday, January 28, 1999 08:08:33 PM
IP: ppp-05-ts19.nerdc.ufl.edu

Robby> Just read "Not a prison make". Whoa and like wow is all I can say. Hope whoever wrote it had a good time like I did reading it.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 07:49:00 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

Blue> <blinks> Prying? Huh? Did I miss something?
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria, Thursday, January 28, 1999 07:14:46 PM
IP: chen-yuris.colorado.edu

This roleplay I call Gargoyles: the musical episode (anyone remember where they did one with the show Xena: warrior priness?) Well this is kinda like that only no words and the characters don't sing it. It's just Queen songs playing while scenes show accordingly. This takes place in two times, At the ending of Timedancer (which is ironically the 2nd story in it) and at the end of Pendragon. I've only read Timedancer up to Requim so forgive any ignorant mistakes on my part. Well on with the roleplay.

PART 1: Right after Brooklyn arrives home from his Timedance
(MacBeth is in his car and as the song "One Vision" plays on the radio he comes to the realization he is happy with his alies life and will stop hunting Demona, well at least for awhile. The Scene then changes to Maddox's office and the song "Killer Queen" plays as he watches Dominique Destine on television. He is in love with her. Remember this is before he finds out about her being a gargoyle. Next Scene, a few minutes before sunris, Demona is asleep in bed dreaming about the long past when her and Goliath were lovers back at castle Wyvern. The song "One year of love" plays in the background. She would really prefer one year with Goliath as her boyfriend again and then die, rather then to continue living alone. The Scene is now at Wyvern Castle above Xanoto's building. As the sun rises the gargoyles including Brooklyn's new family turn to stone. Zoom in on Lexington and the song "Somebody to love plays". Maybe make a dream sequence for him. This is before he met the Eliminator in person if I remember correctly. Next zoom on Brooklyn and he has a crazy dream sequence as "Bohemian Rhapsody" plays. First he dreams of Judah who after seeing Auntie Demona dead and stabs the already dead as well Unca MacBeth several times with a knife. Then when the song switches gears so does the dream sequence. Brooklyn then dreams of himself crying to be set free from the Phoenix Gate and the weird sisters going no. It is a dream sequence so some of his other friends are going 'set the boy free' and 'spare him'. If you hear the song IRL I hope you can see what I'm imagining in my mind. Well anyhow after the dream sequence ends, the scene changes again, this time to Avalon where Katherine and/or Titania awes at the advances of the 20th century. Thus "The Miracle" seems an appropriate song.)

Part 2: Right after the last episode of Pendragon
(Garlon wants revenge on Puck/Owen for embarresing him therefore "Headlong" should play. The scene changes to a dead JoAnna Walker just killed by a shooting. I know this is cheesy and I certainly hope this isn't want TGS has planned for her but since this is my roleplay I wanted a scene worthy of "Who wants to live Forever" to play. It does in this scene as MacBeth looks at the hospital bed from a chair where he sits staring at the flatlined bar. The scene then is an hour later as MacBeth is driving home with "The show must go on" playing on the radio. Even if it is hard from for him he decides to stay as LennexMacDuff, mild mannered College proffesor even though it would be easier just to leave and move on to a new country, name, and such as he no doubt has had to do many times over the centuries. The next scene is Rory and a gang of his about to fight a gang of Unseelie dwarfs. Of course Rory didn't tell the people of his group that they were dwarfs just as far as they were concerned midgits that have gone insane and want to wipe all not of there kind of the face of the planet. "We will rock you" plays. Maybe a song and dance number like in West side story but that is probably a bit too much. Anyhow they win and "Champions of the world" plays I think. Rory chases after the mystrerious stranger who was leading the dwarfs against him. It turns out to be Garlon and they have a battle Rory and him. Rory wins and "Another one bites the dust" plays. Rory's staff looking as iron as can be sticking out of Garlon and does indeed turn to dust. Next scene Brinna and Griff in his room watching tv. The tv plays the song "You're my best friend" and Griff mouths the words ad though he was singing it to Brinna. Maybe she giggles I don't know. Okay last scene Arthur is trying to decide between two girlfriends so the song "Crazy little thing called love" sounds good to play now.)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 06:49:09 PM
IP: dt043nae.san.rr.com

**LET'S DO SOME RP AGAIN, WHY NOT?**

The screen lights up with Thailog, Jerec, and the other bad guy leaders watching their Death Star explode via long-range holocam. "Damn it," Jerec curses, watching as Wilek's fleet begins to regroup and get ready to jump back into hyperspace. Suddenly Admiral Lagor's Super Star Destroyer and the rest of the remaining ships that were with him (the ones that almost destroyed Wilek's fleet the last time they met) appear out of hyperspace and open fire on the Dark Star. "That fool Lagor had better destroy them!" Jerec says. "They cost us Nipon, Burgo, and the Death Star, for that they must pay!!" Suddenly another transmission comes on the screen, the bald and mustached face of Admiral Chentro Nipon (who, btw, is the same race as Grand Admiral Thrawn from Timothy Zahn's trilogy). "Hello, Lord Jerec," he grins. "I managed to escape the Death Star in a shuttle before it blew, though our friend Burgo was not so lucky. I'm heading away from Byss now, going to pick up what remains of our Imperial forces from their hiding places in the Hoth asteroid belt." Jerec smiles. "Once you do, bring them to Earth. We may need the walkers, cloned stormtroopers, and Star Destroyers to take over the planet." "Good plan," Thailog nods. "We shall have them assist Asil and the Gangsta Disciples in taking over NORAD. How soon can they arrive?" "A few days hyperspace travel," Nipon says. "No more. We also have a secret weapon there. A World Devestator." Guod grins. "World Devestator? I love those things!" "You're not the only one," Jerec smiles. "If there's anything that will bring this planet under our rule, it is that. Nipon, retrieve the Devstator and everything else at once, bring it to Earth. Do not worry about the Dark Star, your shuttle has already escaped from it and it will be destroyed by either Lagor or Zale's forces before you arrive. Dismissed." Nipon nods, salutes, and ends his transmission.

The scene changes to Doug and the others with him, who are still hiding behind their truck, waiting for the Nazis to run out of ammo. Doug makes another post in the CR.

**PAUSE RP**

Warning- this is going to be a long post. I have a lot to say.

Selanit: Good luck falling in love. I've been there several times, it's always a very good and fun thing. :)

Kitainia: I agree absolutely with everything you said. Needless to say, if we ever have kids, as a father I'll be following your advice. :)

Thanks to everyone who has deemed the RP violence levels okay for this CR, and so intelligently responded to my query about them. Glad the RP is still here to stay, thanks to all for their support, especially DumlaoX. Note to Ironwolf- no hard feelings. You did bring up a good point and inspire a very mature and interesting discussion, and I at least am thankful for that. Don't worry, the purple dinosaur demon's pollution will not enter the RP. :) But of course, it won't get all excessively gory and gratuituous in violence, drugs, or sex either. This is something we RPers pledge to ensure. Okay, the vote is called, the discussion is over, and now my part of the RP once again resumes.

Jackal: I don't think you're a bad person, nor does Kitainia. You just have a lot of very strange and crazy ideas about what's right and wrong. But hey, so do we, even if our ideas are different than yours. So we really can't complain about you. Besides, you have a right to be whatever kind of person you choose as long as you're not hurting anyone, and that is a right Kitainia and I shall forever support. So, be however you want, we don't mind. In fact, it's kinda nice knowing there's someone out there more insane than us. <GRIN>

Robby: Okay, I have to read Dark Tower now. Thanks for telling me about the explanation it gave. I shall check it out soon, too many books on the stack right now for me to do it immediately.

She's All That: That's the same girl as in the anti-drug commercials? I thought she looked familiar! I too enjoy those. I agree with her aboslutely about drugs, I enjoy her outbursts, and her commercial only leaves me with one question- what's your phone number? <ROFL> Now I have even more reason to see the movie. I wonder how good a job she'll do as an actress. If it works out well enough, maybe I'll put her on the list to play Rachel if my fics ever get televised into live-action. She definitely has the right looks.

SJ: I also agree with you about the survey, I filled it out for the same reasons you did. Everyone in here was mature enough to handle it, I thought. Glad so far it looks like I was right. About New Radicals, I like their music a lot, but I can understand why you detest it. Overkill can ruin any good thing.

Another good song that moves me: New Order's "I Promise You I Will."
Another good quote: "If I'm not back in an hour, I've probably made another huge mistake!" (cyber-cookie to whoever can tell me where I got this)

Brimstone: Can't believe they're canceling that show, I've enjoyed it so much. Especially the devil character. Grr. They're probably gonna cancel Vengeance Unlimited, too. They have dumbed down the starting sequence recently and that is always a bad sign. There goes another show I like. Ditto for Cupid, even though I only saw a few episodes. As long as ratings decide what shows stay on the air instead of fans, who rightfully should, this will unfortunately continue. Arrgh... I don't think that shows like Felicity, Power Rangers, and Dawson's Creek are entirely drivel, but they should not replace other good shows like Brimstone or Gargoyles just because one gets higher ratings than the other. TV needs a heterogenous lineup, and every show has its fans. Oh well, I sent my protest e-mails to Fox and ABC, I've done all I can. Now I can only hope and pray the TV execs listen to us. <fingers crossed> As for whether these three great shows will ever come back somewhere other than TV, I have plans to cross all three of them into my fanfic universe. The Cupid and Brimstone won't be done for a while, but "False Vengeance," in which Mr. Chapel is hired by Micheal Canmore to wreak out revenge on the clan, will be done after I finish my current trilogy of huge works. ("Captives," "The Blackout," and "End to the Rage," the first of which I am currently about 1/3 finished writing.) As for how I'm gonna cross in Cupid and Brimstone, well, I have plans. Brimstone I'm pretty sure about (Castaway is one of the 113 escaped souls), Cupid I don't know. I may have to make him a fay, or not. And it will probably have something to do with Rachel and Graeme. Wait and see.

Kaioto: Completely agree with you about the Ivory Tower. And the tunnels in that Lone Wolf book. I too was much inspired by Lone Wolf in writing my own fanfic universe. The Caspian of my work is going to be a lot like Banedon, and Rachel owes a lot to Alyss in terms of her appearance and personality. And of course Mackovic was partly based on Vonotar, one of the main Lone Wolf villains. Darklord Gnaag, or more accurately, a villain who looks and acts a lot like him named Coloptrus, will also appear in my work sometime. Perhaps other Lone Wolf inspirations will show up, too. As of now, I'm not sure. But thanks for bringing back the good memories. :)

Wilek: $ You can check the archives if you need to know about Zale, most of the stuff about him is in there. Main things you need to remember- he's a militia leader and has a huge army of Spaarti clones, his assistants are ruthless soldier Colonel Shreck and bootlicking Lieutenant Charleston, Zale himself looks and personality are a lot like Col. Jessup's from "A Few Good Men." (I hated that movie.) Then he has that elite unit of the ultimate soldiers based on Metal Gear Solid personalities. They are:
Vapor Serpent- Solid/Liquid Snake type. Expert in infiltration and tactics, mortal combat, basically has all the same skills and abilities as the main hero and villain of Metal Gear Solid does. They're planning to have him infiltrate the Dark Star real soon.
Storm Eagle- Master of battle magic, powerful evil wizard of Tonkawa descent. This woman is in fact also a Camp Mystic Tonkawa (real name Taylor Bernsen) who used to torment my sister Sarah and her fellow Kiowas (the Camp Mystic girls are organized into cabins named after Indian tribes that are supposed to brutally compete for camp honors and prizes against one another) more excessively than most. So she's a snob jerk, and you can expect her to have girl scout skills as well as the battle magic. Trouble.
Uzi Caracal- Like Revolver Ocelot from the Metal Gear Solid game, except he gunfights with an Uzi instead of a revolver. And he's obsessed with shoot-em up modern action flicks instead of Westerns. Looks a lot like Brian Bosworth, a big star of that type of film. Other than that, he too enjoys torturing people as much as Ocelot, and playing with his opponents like a cat does with a mouse.
Shootist Tarantula- expert sniper and maker of traps. This gal could teach the Viet Cong a few things about the latter. In shooting, she's not as good as Sniper Wolf of Metal Gear Solid fame was, but because she often lays lots of traps around the battlefield and can lure people into them with her bullets, it makes little difference. Try to take her unprepared, that will give you an edge.
Orca Doppelganger: Master of disguise. He also has the skills of a Navy Seal as far as swimming, boat piloting, and demolition. This guy is one to watch out for too.
Gatling Grizzly- This guy's name comes directly from the Metal Gear Solid rank listing. You get the code name Grizzly if you kill a lot of people in the game. This guy loves killing people, and is very violent. His weapon of choice is a Gatling gun of course. Real depraved violent psycho, we'll have to watch our ratings while we're taking him down.
And they have Metal Gear 5000, a flying spaceship/battle tank armed with homing stealth nuclear missiles, vulcan cannons, a laser, and dual rail guns. That's basically what you need to know. Good luck. If you need any help from us with these guys, don't hesitate to ask. If we can, we shall provide. $

The Cable Guy: I saw that movie. It wasn't Jim Carrey's best, but it was pretty funny. And very well-charecterized. Speaking of Jim Carrey, you can look for a character ideally played by him in my fanfic- Gary Parker, the Fox Mulder of annoying reporters. He (and his Scully-like partner Nikki) will be playing no small part in the universe soon. :)

DumlaoX: Thanks again for your support. And for deciding to get the rules up. Hope it happens, we both know they're needed.

Plush Chulthus: Suprisingly, these things are cute and cuddly. I like mine a lot. I'll definitely be getting one for my children someday if they're still around when and if I have kids. And then later I can mess with the kids' minds by telling them what Chulthu's really about. Hah! <Suddenly there is a lot of noise, it sounds like Kitainia is ranting at Doug> Okay, geez, I was just kidding! Calm down!! <Kitainia does so, and stops screaming at him about what hearing or reading Lovecraft stories at a young age could do to kids> Yes, I agree with you, Todd. Chulthu is the antithesis of cuddly. But I still enjoy having a doll of him.

Fire: Welcome to the CR, sorry I didn't say so earlier. I agree with you about how to teach kids about guns, those are good ways to do it. Another way is have them watch "Deadly Force," a very good episode of Gargoyles concerning guns and what they can do to people.

Coyote: $ Hope you'll stay with us in the RP even though Preston is gone, we've really enjoyed having your input and help. But if you can't, we understand. Thanks for what you did contribute to our story. $

Okay, that's all for now. Later.

**MORE RP**

The bad guys' guns begin clicking on empty chambers. Hans Grosse, Gretel Grosse, Fettsgheischt (sp?), and all the generic Nazi, Death Knight armored, and SS soldiers begin spouting off German curses as they realize they've wasted all their ammo on Lathrop's forcefields. "Okay," Doug grins. "The odds are even now. Let's take these chumps!" He and the other Ravens, followed by Jaden and Fleur, spring out from behind the truck with their own weapons swinging or firing, and begin wiping out the screaming Wolfenstein Nazis as the screen goes blank. To be continued.

**RP OVER FOR NOW**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 05:21:56 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zon-vty106.as.wcom.net

Hello again. Thanks to all who welcomed me, and to all the others for at least tolerating me. *half-smiles* Me, too sane? I think that can be disputed. But anyway, I suppose I just need to get the hang of things around here first. *gets a crazy mental image of surfing a huge wave, but shakes it off*

Kitania> I agree with your theories on raising children. I've never agreed with the view that watching violent TV shows or movies is a _major_ factor that make kids "go bad." Do you remember that controversy a little while back about this book that stated that parents have little or no influence on children? I can't recall the title or the author though.

Selanit> Forgive me for sounding like I'm prying, but I knew that you knew what you were doing. :-)

Age: I take it that the age range of the people in here is from the teens to the late twenties? Just wondering.

RP's: I skim through them sometimes, and yes, they can be violent, but they're also kinda funny. I don't find anything objectionable in them though. But I do find them highly creative. *g*

Cancelled TV show: I can't recall who brought up the fact that ABC has decided to kill "Cupid." I had grown to rather like that show. It was freshly amusing in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way. Yeah, TV executives can be so daft.

*sighs* Well, that's all I have to say for now.
Blue Caeru
Thursday, January 28, 1999 05:19:41 PM
IP: ppp-18-ts53.nerdc.ufl.edu

Lady Mystic> Welcome back! *waves* :)

SJ> Thanks for commenting on the pic! :)

Coyote> **blushes slightly** Thanks for commenting on my pic too. $And maybe I will have to throw my enemies into the RP sometime. It should certainly be fun, although they're nothing like Preston at all. Not even close. And yes, I would have been willing to pull that trigger for ya. You know it. :)$

All right, my CR pic should be Sata...

**RP!**
**The vehicles and the cases of tequila have just materialized in the backyard of the mansion. Jason and the Gearhead run off into the mansion, yelling loudly about how great the party's gonna be and carrying a couple cases under their arms. Soon, everyone turns to head back into the mansion, leaving Coyote and Ravyn outside by their vehicles.

Coyote still looks a little deep in thought, and Ravyn has an idea why. After his long hunt for the evil Preston, Coyote's quest was finally over. Ravyn decides to break the awkward silence. "Coyote?"

<"Yeah?">

"I just wanna say...well...thank you for letting me come along with you. I know you thanked me earlier, but I don't think I've thanked you yet. I really had a lot of fun, even though it was a little scary there for a while. So... thank you." Ravyn smiles and gives Coyote a gentle hug, lingering for a few moments.

Finally, Ravyn breaks away with a grin. "Well, I guess we should get inside before they start the party without us, right?"

The two smile and head toward the mansion, ready to party hearty...** **END RP!**
Ravyn
Thursday, January 28, 1999 05:04:18 PM
IP: svm-ts1-1.c2i2.com

P.S. That picture was SUPPOSED to be Atalanta. Doesn't seem to be working though...
Fire
Atlanta, GA, Xanth
Thursday, January 28, 1999 04:19:29 PM
IP: atl2-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Hi. ^_^ Ummm... I noticed that a lot of people are surprised at the lurkers. :p :) I actually lurk becuase I can't really keep up with this room. I'm on a e-mail thread (anyone like Xanth?) and a Message Board wich rigts stories all the time 9right now we're fighting off evil shadows... I'm trying to get to play the bad guy... it's fun ^_^) and I have to deal with that evil thing called school. :p I get in here only a couple times a week, so I canonly read so much before my mind blows out! Gah!
Anyhow, I'm pretty much lost this week. I mean, with all the rants that go on forever... sheeze... I think I know how my friends feel sometimes... I don't rant, I give extreemly long winded explinations. ^_^
Anyhow, I'm staying out of most of that, mainly 'cause I don't participate enough in the CM really to feel like I have a say (what is this, my second time?) But I do want to agree with Kitana (sp?) about the gun thing, and the cookie jar syndrom. The best way to warn a kid about guns, is to show them what it can do (like, if you get a pallon of water in a milk jug, setit up next to a mound of dirt or something (so you know that the bullit will stop and not hurt someone) and shoot the jug while they watch. The noise of a gun is increadable, and the image of an exploding milk jug will make a impressio on the kid, and teach him/her a lesson they won't forget.) And when they get old enough, teach 'em how to use one, so that they don't accidently hurt themselves or others. The cookie-jar syndrom is a very real thing...
*looks up* oops... I think tht was a shorter version of my long winded explinations... sorry.. ;p
Anyhow, for those that live in GA, or, if you're passing through GA in the spring or fall, I like to hang out at the Rennassance Festival while it is there. ^_^ Great armor, good swords, great food, good art... crazy people. ^_^ What more could a girl want?! (other than a spell checker. ^_^)
Anyhow, I gotta' go. ^_^ I wanna' get back to my Assylum be for the MIW's (Men In White) notice I'm gone! BWA HA HA HA HA!!! Ummm... Bye! ^_^

P.S. The episode this week was really good, now that I've read it! Can't wait for next week! Now, back to lurking...
Fire
Atlanta, GA, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 04:13:59 PM
IP: atl2-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Cannon: Last I heard Timedancer was planned for January but had to be delayed.
ED
Thursday, January 28, 1999 04:05:24 PM
IP: p10-jay-gui.tch.virgin.net

Sorry if this was asked earlier in this comment room, I'm new. But is the Time Dancer series still going on? Again, humblest apologies if this is a redundant question.
cannon1812 - [cannon1812@aol.com]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 03:59:30 PM
IP: 128.164.109.192

Robby: Yeah, that�s how I�ve tried to think of it. :)

Doug: Thanks for that summary of the ratings. Not because I�m particularly bothered about how much gore you put into the RPs because I don�t read them, but simply because I�ve been meaning to ask about those ratings for a while now, and you�ve saved me the bother. Around here we go from �U� (Universal), �PG� (Parental Guidance) and then straight onto what numbers you have to be to get in to watch them- �12�, �15� and �18�. And although I�m used to them and I would say that, it makes a lot more sense IMO.
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 03:45:48 PM
IP: p51-shelduck-gui.tch.virgin.net

Kaioto> I disagree. You *can* learn all the important stuff in the Ivory Tower. The tower is filled with people. An academic is still human, with all the grease of humanity, the long sufferings, and the deep joys.

Also, the tower has windows. ;-)
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria, Thursday, January 28, 1999 03:41:13 PM
IP: smith-ship1.colorado.edu

Ironwolf> Like Deuce said. It was bound to come up sooner or later. As a matter of fact, we had an earlier version several months ago. DumlaoX has said that he's cool with the level the room is at. Deuce has a good point about reading levels. We all just need to think a little bit sometimes about what we post and who's gonna see it.
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, January 28, 1999 03:22:05 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Ironwolf, calm down. These moral debates are what makes life livable! *dumb looks from everyone* OK, maybe not. But you didn't do anything wrong; it was bound to come up eventually. Don't worry, man.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, January 28, 1999 02:40:23 PM
IP: pppa117.connect.ab.ca

OH no WHAt did I DO!!!!! I was not complaining about the violence just trying to make a point<puts head in hands and cries softly nonononononononono>I enjoyed the stories and now the purple demon dinosaur will come in and spread his happy goodness g ratings all over the place! There will always be sex and violence in a good show. Bugs dressed in women�s clothing(I know it was originally for adults but how many kids have grown up on looney toons?)Zorro fought with a sword, The joker kills people. I grew up NO I developed my morals the person I am from fiction and TV. I leaned what a HERO was and how to strive to be one. How to seek out relationships and have one. All of this from stories that might be found offensive. <slumps down> I wish I had kept my big mouth shut <sigh>Two figures walk up to Ironwolf
�vr rangers son<flashing a badge>what have you done?<frist ranger looks to the second>get a rope�

iron wolf
Thursday, January 28, 1999 02:17:29 PM
IP: host-209-214-40-154.cha.bellsouth.net

Me again.

Kitainia > well said!

Jackal > have you read my story "Hellfire"? ; )

Christine's All-Time Biggest Pet Peeve (yeah, I got more pets than the Cat Lady who used to live across the street) > violence is okay in cartoons and sexual content is a no-no. Grr.

The Daily Show > have only seen it a few times with the new guy; he's okay so far. What I really wonder is how those people they interview just cannot seem to catch the sarcasm. Which falls into the same category, I suppose, as why the people who make total asses of themselves on COPS permit their faces to be shown ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 02:16:27 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

I spent three hours yesterday cleaning my room. I found:

- 15 dead AA batteries
- $2.00 in spare/loose change
- Toys I haven't seen in years
- Battery covers from walkie-talkies older than I am
- Dozens of lapel pins
- The entire set of Hostess/Frito-Lay TNG trading cards back from 1992
- Most of the Marvel III set (scans available by request)
- Enough small plastic things to build a Barbie Dream House... actual size!

Never again, never again....

ROBBY> I'm never on Sunday nights, anyway, so the pictures won't bother me. Oh, and Heather's a couple of weeks older than me, actually. (Me born June 25/84).

SJ> I'm HOPING to go see "She's All That", assuming my mom realizes that just because two guys and two girls go to a movie, it's not necessarily a double-date. Grrr.... But yeah, that movie looks awesome, except that the premise reminds me of "Carrie". >:)

Another thing: I am, I'm sure, the youngest person here. Except for ONE isolated post by Jackal last month, I've never been remotely offended by anything. I also agree with the entirety of SJ's mini-rant, in that since TGS is obviously not kid's reading (how many kids would sit down in front of the computer and read something with a Grade 9 reading level for a couple hours), and neither is this comment room. Not that we can start having wild RP orgies of sex, drugs, and violence, but I think the level the room is currently, is fine.

BLUE CAERU> You seem too sane to be in here. Lurking doesn't have the desired effect, you have to participate.

DUMLAOX> Thanks for the link! Now, if only GeoSh�, er, GeoCities would get their damn servers working.

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Thursday, January 28, 1999 02:10:49 PM
IP: pppa117.connect.ab.ca

I lied.
_Now_ my Magelore site is updated.
http://magelore.ml.org/author_appearances.html or click.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 02:01:57 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Just a few quick notes:

WARNING: I am dieliberaitly leaving in all my typos in theis post as an example. This is not inteneded to make fun off anyone.

Durid> I'm glad you took that in the humorous spirit it was meant. I understand how spelling can go by the wayside when you are trying to gte thoughts down on a keyboard before they dissappear into the aether. If I didn't sefl-corect frequently this post would be covered in typeos. if you haven't guessed by now, I'm something of a nitpicker when it comes to spelling and grammer, but that's just me **grin**. And, that's porbably one of the reasons that I was nominated to be Head of Edits. Oh, thanks for the correction on Thersites. I was real tired when I posted and had forgotten that. Do you rembember what episode that was mentioned in?

Lurking> I actually lurked for about a month before I first posted. I was tyring to get a feel for the room and the personalyities in it before i toosed myself into the mix.

Kitiania> I agree on your views of voilence on television. I grew up watching such shows as M*A*S*H, Emergency, Hill Street Blues, and, of cource, all the classic cartoons. Funny, I remember being shocked that they showed Roy Fokker's death in Robotech on afternoon TV, especially since they actually showed blood leaking rfom the wound. I genreally knew the rules at that point asnd was startled that something that graphic was shown.

Ok, now that I've garbled my post thoroughly, I'll go back to self-correcting. Gahh! Do you know how hard it was to deliberately NOT correct my mistakes? It's like a figure skater trying to deliberately blow a routine for effect!

Off until later!
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:19:26 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Hmm ... they're right, this place *is* dead in the mornings. Maybe I'll break up the monotony ...

**SPOILER WARNING FOR ONE OF THE BEST ANIMATED FILMS OF ALL TIME!!**

What film, you ask? "Prince of Egypt?" No. "Mulan?" No. Anything Disney, Dreamworks, or Don Bluth-esque? No.

It's "American Pop," a Columbia film by Ralph Bakshi from 1981. Just bought a copy of it (it was just a couple of months ago released to video) and viewed it last night. TWICE. And it blew me away.

And it's not a story that really had to be animated. Bakshi is a director who is truly inspired by anime ... especially the concept that you can do more than fantasy concepts in animation (a lot of non-fantasy topics are covered in anime films, mainly because Japan doesn't have a lot of room to build large studios and extensive sets.). "American Pop" traces the evolution of 20th century American popular music from the vaudeville era to punk rock, centering on four generations of one family in the music industry.

Believe me, the animation is stunning; the whole film was rotoscoped (cels traced over live action), making all of the motion incredibly lifelike. And the story is engaging as well. IMHO, it's the best film Bakshi ever did ... yes, I think it's even *better* than his Tolkien films.

What's more ... after seeing "American Pop," I think it would be very interesting, should Gargoyles leave cancellation hell, if Bakshi were involved in an art direction or animation direction capacity (Of course, someone would have to coax him out of retirement ... he hasn't made a new film since "Cool World," and retired because of the poor reviews CW received ... and they were well-deserved, too; that film *stunk.*).

**END SPOILERS**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:05:31 AM
IP: modem48.i-is.com

Although Dean Devlin's script for the Gargs movie was (rightly?) rejected, does anyone know if he's still attached to the project in any way?
The reason I bring this up is that he will be on a chat irc hosted by 'The Dominion' - (www.scifi.com) this evening..

*********
Chat with writer/producer Dean Devlin
Thursday, January 28 at 9pm Eastern Time
The writer/ producer of blockbuster sci-fi movies Independence Day and Godzilla will be live in our chat room to answer your questions.
*********

Might be worth a few of you stopping by to see if he's still involved or knows anything more about it.

Unfortunately 9pm there is 2am here, so I won't be able to be there myself.

MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKThursday, January 28, 1999 11:05:14 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

DOUG - Plush Cthulhus? Somehow, I simply cannot imagine Cthulhu as a plush toy. He's the antithesis of cuddly. Next thing you know, they'll be making plush shoggoths or plush Mi-Go.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, January 28, 1999 08:15:32 AM
IP: 209.223.93.185

This pic should be Demona

***RUN! RANDOM THOUGHT ALERT!***

#1: How come the bad guys almost always seem to get the cooler costumes?

***CLEAR FOR NOW***

***SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER***
This was one of the best episodes this season so far. Great character development, and some really gorgeous pictures. Great job!
***OKAY, SO IT WASN'T REALLY A SPOILER!***

BLUE CAREU: Since you've been lurking you so long, I assume don't need any sanity warnings. Welcome!

ANY LURKERS READING THIS: Come on in, we don't bite! (We kick, punch, yell, etc... but we don't bite!)

Gotta Jet!
(Eight months 'till the new Dark Ages eps!)
Argent
Ohio, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 07:07:52 AM
IP: dyn-206.belpre.frognet.net

Coyote & Wilek: Thanks for welcoming me back. <G>

Interesting Note: I keep seeing people mention Looney Toons when referring to violence in children's TV shows. You know what the funny thing is? Looney Toons wasn't even meant to be for children when they were first made. The creators had produced these comedic shorts as a form of recreation for adults who came home from a hard day's work. I learned that a couple of years ago. And ever since then every time I see Looney Toons marketing generated towards kids I always see the ironic side to it all and laugh. **shakes head, smiling**

DUMLAOX: Thanks for clearing all this up. A few questions though...

Earlier today I tried checking the link to the CR archives you had posted a few weeks ago, but it turned up as "File Not Found." I was just wondering if you still were going to put a link up to the archive from the TGS Main page?

And will you be putting up a link again in here (like it was back in June) for people to view the CR pics?

And finally, I know that a while back you posted a link to the CR pics that had been finished but many of those were not available to use for the room. When would there be more CR pics added to the available list? Take your time. I'm not rushing you or anything. I was just curious. Thanks.

And I hope everything's going well with you -- school, family, health, and yours and Al's relationship... :)
Lady Mystic - [Lady-Mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Thursday, January 28, 1999 04:48:43 AM
IP: 209.117.148.152

CR PICS-- Thanx to those checking the pics for me. Now we get to see what needs correction.

DEUCE-- Hit the name. It still exists :)

THE RP & CR RULES-- That's it! I'm gonna contact Gorebash this weekend & have the rules posted in the comment room all the time. These rules are turning out to be like the Constitution of the U.S.: Clear yet debatable.

In the meantime, if you don't get to graphic & gratuitous, post whatever the hell you want!

FOR THE RECORD-- I'm a Dawson's Creek fan. Believe it or not, the stories are well constructed & the writing is good.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 03:17:18 AM
IP: pool0040-max7.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

Image check- Delilah

ABC cancelling good stuff- Don't take it personally SJ, its their policy. "All good shows must be cut in their prime or before then. If it is already a good British show and we bring it over, we have to screw it up by giving it a new host. If it has Urkel, we'll air it years past its prime and then sell it to a failing network who will screw the show up more and take it another year past its prime..." I recall they cancelled Sonic and ReBoot for no apparent reason. And don't give me ratings excuses... Sonic was doing EXTREMELY well in the FIVE THIRTY AM TIMESLOT, and ReBoot had the third season made in Canada anyway... They didn't even have to pay to produce it, just a minimal sum to air it... I'm not too surprised to hear Cupid is being cancelled, as I liked that show too...

Parents sitting kids in front of the television as a babysiter- Hmm... I seem to recall a Jim Carrey movie called "The Cable Guy" that covered just this... Most people didn't like the movie because it was dark... I liked it because it WAS fuuny, and it had an underlying message...

Kiato- Nice to know it isn't a conspiracy of lurkers and there are SOME newbies... Or IS there a conspiracy here? Hmm, we've already learned about the Leos trying to take over the world... On a similar note...

Blue- Its not that you scared us by lurking for so long... Its just that after finding out Jill had been here since the BEGGINNING, and like three other "newbies" have actually been lurkers, it started seeming suspicious... Almost conspiratorial suspicious...

Daily show best news program on today? The funny thing is... This is probably true...

Also SJ... Heather is only 14... And her Birthday isn't until June 4... I'm not sure when Deuce's birthday is, but my lady fair is also one of the younger posters in the room... And she certainley doesn't seem to have a problem with the "violence" in here...

Hunchback of Notre Dame not being edited- Thats because it was edited in the theaters, through a ending different than the book's. (WHich to date I still dislike. The movie was already dark and fairly true to the original story, why not keep the ending? Cause its a Disney flick, thats why...) It had a G rating. Gargs goes as far as the television equivlent of PG-13 at times with episodes like Deadly Force and Hunter's Moon, which is why it gets edited...

Wilek- Battle Beasts are at least ten years back, maybe more. They were little tiny figures, hundreds of them, all about an inch tall, made up of different animals... They came in packs of two or eight, in the elements of earth, fire, and water, and supposedly there was a rare sun variety. My favorites include a shark, a horse, and an armadillo among others.. They all were very cool kinda cyborg like things... Think there was a cartoon, and their commercial slogan was something like "Battle beasts... You can collect all of these..."
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Thursday, January 28, 1999 03:01:30 AM
IP: spider-wm034.proxy.aol.com

I love you all, I just can't ignore yall until the gathering...
<<some times you make sense and really good points>>
I do? I mean I do! Yeah!
I got a song stuck in my head...., maybe if I type it out, it'll leave...
You are the perfect DRUG, the perfect DRUG, the perfect DRUG!
(solo)
Take me..... with you. Take me.... with you.
Without you, without you everything falls apart. Without you, it's not as much fun to pick up the pieces.
Except for in my head he says, "It's not enuf blood to cover up the mices."
OK, anyway...
<<...But for me, I really didn't see what was so offensive about it. ****END CONTROVERSIAL STUFF***>>
Jackal stands from his chair, wide-eyed.
Jesus Christ! That was good! Was it just me, or did his eyes start glowin!!!
Jackal continues loud, annoying applause.
<<the Reverend himself said that he was a fan of hers>>
YaY!!!!
<<What is the difference between machine (computer) and man? A soul.>>
"I'm the one without a soul, I'm the one with this big f***ing hole!!" -Trent Reznor (Wish)
"Help me- I've got no soul to sell" -Trent Reznor (Closer)
I have /\/ I \/\ on the brain tonight, can you tell?
<<I made a conscientious choice to keep any and all mind-altering/ judgement imparing substances>>
Heh, you have potential to be something in this life, where people like me just take up space and entertain anyone who will listen, because they were deprived of attention when they were small and have nothing else better to do but to think of wayz to put 3 J's in a row (see above)..., jess where'd that come from??!

��Offensive material ahead��
<<Oh dear, I'm sorry if I offended or scared others>>
No blue, don't give up, come back to us!!! Hey, I don't get offended..., I get scared but I don't get offended. You can call me a "lesbian cumbubble slut crackhead whorebag whose lost his mind", and I wouldn't care! That's what my suga-lump calls meeee :o)
Ohhh speaking of SEX in a CHILDREN'S place..., The Hunchback of Notre Damn I mean Dame, was among the most perverted Disney animated movies ever made.
"Destory Esmeralda, and let her taste the fires of HELL! Or else let her be mine and mine alone!!" Followed by a "jerking" movement... and that was G rated..., so I don't wanna hear it from any of ya!! See dera.
��End offensive material��
I forgot my own name for a second..., JackaL
Thursday, January 28, 1999 02:49:13 AM
IP: spider-wm033.proxy.aol.com

**BEGIN FAIRLY NON-VIOLENT RP!**

[Wilek: "Alright, we're to capture SJ2 and Dr. Sevarius..." Killing Dad was never under consideration BTW, just killing the clone. Why didn't Wilek make that clear? Wilek (cont.): "Sorry, I guess I forgot to." Try to remember such things next time. Wilek: "Nag nag nag. Yeesh. My last narrator wasn't this annoying. Where was I? Oh...we'll need tighter security than usual for SJ2, due to his alternate personality, but Dad probably won't put up much resistance when he finds out that his family's safe. Agent Rho, have some kind of restraining frame put in SJ2's cell; I don't want him to be able to even move."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Just saw "The Green" tonight. I didn't know Jackal and Hyena could fly.

Also saw The Hunchback Of Notre Dame (Disney's version). For them to show that--uncut, I believe--and then edit Gargs the way they do...man. Hunchback was one of their best movies, although I took exception to the expression "hideous as a gargoyle's wing" (very Quarry-esque IMO). I think our wings are quite magnificent. Regal, really. Speaking of gargoyles, I found Victor, Hugo, and Laverne rather ridiculous but mercifully easy to ignore.

Iron Wolf> <<a survey asking about personal info with what 4 sex questions is less offensive then a story with someone getting thier head blown off>> Eh? I always thought it was the other way around...Which brings me to:

CR Violence> Ppl are complaining about this now? I've never understood what's so offensive about violence in fiction; it can be quite enjoyable IMHO. Kitainia stated my stand on this better than I ever could: "accepting violence as something that can have good connotations and uses as well as bad, something that's always been in our history and part of many of our heroes, and something which kids need to be taught about how and when to use". Sometimes, "thou shalt not kill" doesn't mean quite what you think it does. Besides, I'll admit to a fair amount of bloodlust when it comes to graphic fictional violence (although I'm not stupid enough to try and bring it into RL); my first fic is proof of that. (Ironically, it's a crossover with one of the least violent video games I've ever seen...) Sorry if I just offended anyone; somehow I sense my stance on this won't be all that popular, although I respect everyone's opinions and I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong in this. Oh well, as long as I didn't start a flame war... :D

Blue Caeru> Welcome! $<<*for some inexplicable reason, she thinks of a Romulan cloaking device and smiles*>> Funny you should mention that...Earlier in the RP I had something called a Lurk Card that made us all invisible.$ Oh, and I don't mind long-term lurking at all. ^_^

Having children> Given my beliefs--namely, that one should be married before engaging in that activity which produces children--I doubt if I'll ever have any. Ah well; it wasn't a priority anyhow...

Lady Mystic> Glad you're back with us!

Battle Beasts> Am I the only one here who's never heard of these? A toy freak like me? They must be from a fairly long time ago.

Twisticats> I've never seen one, and from what I've heard, I don't think I want to. Doing this to an innocent animal...yeesh. Whoever's breeding these cats should be--given the issue that seems to have arisen, I'd better not say. ;P

SJ> I agree that TV execs seem to live in the Dimension of Infinite Stupidity these days. Man, why oh why did they ever cancel Gargs?! Ah well, something good came of it--if Gargs hadn't been cancelled, there wouldn't be TGS, and if not for TGS, there wouldn't be this CR, and if it weren't for this CR, I wouldn't know that a wombat can kill stuff with its butt. All for the want of a horseshoe nail. :P

Kaioto> Like Kitainia, you've summed up my opinion re violence better than I could. $Hmm...black war eagles? Has my Dark Mage clone been running around again? He has a thing for bizarre and dangerous birds...$

**RESUME EVER SO SLIGHTLY VIOLENT RP! THIS ONE'S KINDA LONG.**

[Dark Mage Wilek: "For your big fat information, I haven't been on Earth since we came to the Dark Star." Wilek: "Later, DM. Do we have Traveler on long-range comms?" A fairly sinister laugh comes over the comm system. Wilek: "OK, I guess we do. Trav, are you ready to get the Sevarii?" Traveler: "Ready and waiting. In fact, I've been waiting for a while; none of my calls could get through. What have you ppl been doing over there?" Wilek: "Long story, but we're ready at this end. Do you have the coordinates?" Traveler: "I think so...beginning transport..." On the Death Star, a black portal envelops SJ2 and Dr. Sevarius. SJ2 ends up in that restraint frame--with a built-in neural paralyzer to keep him from even struggling against his restraints--and SJ's dad ends up in the adjoining cell. Steps have been taken to assure that the occupants of nearby cells can't communicate with each other. Wilek: "OK everyone, our quarry is safe! All Eclipse-class Star Destroyers, fire superlasers!" The great black ships charge and fire their grand cannons, and of a moment, the Death Star and most of the accompanying Imperial fleet are little more than space dust. A cheer rises from the team...Wilek: "Don't celebrate just yet. Earth won't be safe for us until we take care of General Zale and whoever's working for him. Doug, if you're hearing this over the CR comms channel, we need an update--everything you know about what Zale is doing, what kind of hardware he might have, and who he may have recruited. The battle has just begun..."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, January 28, 1999 01:41:38 AM
IP: tnt-2-71-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Oh dear, I'm sorry if I offended or scared others by my lurking here for so long. It's just that I thought... oh, never mind what I thought, lurking for so long isn't good. It's like spying or unnecessary surveillance, and I apologize. *flustered* I'd better leave and collect my thoughts first before I do anything stupid. But I'll be back, no more lurking... (at this point everyone should discuss where to move the Comment Room to so I can't find it again. :-P )
Blue Caeru
Thursday, January 28, 1999 01:00:43 AM
IP: ppp-44-ts51.nerdc.ufl.edu

**With a night-splitting cry, the black eagle's talons snap at empty ground as its rider's spear sinks into a tree, wrenched from the rider's grasp. They rise into the cold night and circle for another pass.
From the ground, crouched low, the gray-trench-coated wanderer watches the foolish raider as beast and bird cross the moon and turn for another dive. Purposefully, he pulls the spear from the tree and unsecured the belt of his trench, pushing the jacket back so the hilt of his sword is barely visbale. Stoicly he waits as the dark rider and mount screech closer and closer. The Giak has raise and sword now, but the real danger is the razor-sharp talon of the balck eagle, which opens wide, on a vector for the brown-haired woodsman's head, and growing ever the closer.
Suddenly, a second too late to get asside, the gray traveler makes his move. Throwing himself down and forward, he rolls with weapons out, head first. The eagle cries out in frustration as the The spear swings up behind the as the warrior-monk rises from a crouch the incoming wing, striking the Giak in the head, knocking him clear off his mount. His mount, however, is still screaming � and as its call dies away and it begins to need to pull up before splashing into the river, it gives another, feeble cry, and crshes noisily into the river �
The gray traveler, however, never looks back for a second. He advances on the rider, shaking blood off his blade as he purpousfully moves forwards. A few steps more reveals no movement, however. The heaped scout in motionless, not breathing, its face lolled back, eyes speaking only oblivion. Without another word, the gray wander wiped his blade off on the dark eagle-rider's cloak and sheaths it benieth his jacket. He tosses the spear beside the former owner's still form, then heads off at a sprint towards the Abbey once more. **

A personal note, I have never lurked here. I dove in head first my first day after many long hours reading.

Doug - Gary Chalk and Joe Dever all the way � did you ever notice that getting through the Tunnels in Fire on the Water is a pain. Take Animal Kinship and you still have only 50/50 of finding the Magic Spear and 50/50 of finding the little Mouse Guys � Anyway, I like taking some of the old Sommerlund/Northern Magnamund geography for my Net Avatar's HomeRealm. I kept the Kai and Brotherhood of the Crystal Star too, but made my own history about humans from our own Earth immigrating over the centuries � fleeing or exploring generally � somebody lose an Arc of the Covenant back on Earth by the way � it's buried out near Vassagonia somewhere �

Kitainia - I do have to agree about the importance of educating kids as aposed to treating them like puppies or something ( associate scolding/punishment with bad things, take things away ) � I do have to disagree about ratings in one way, I certainly understand the reasons why we have to be cautious � but I hardly believe that movie ratings translate necessarily to written works � also, I think, especially in written works, that the sex vs. violence ratios of the ratings is a mess. I think that it takes a lot more descriptive violence to warrant R than it takes sex. I think that is, however subjective for setting rules, and I also think that it is a consequence of the irresponcible way we regard sex in this society. Good luck as a councilor � I think with the state of marriage in this age and day it will be a noble struggle �

Violence - Sweet mother of mercy! I grew up on Voltron, He-Man, Thunder Cats, and even M*A*S*H* and A-Team. Jeez! I should be one screwed up kid at 18, right? The why is it I a clean, considerate, intellegent, and open-minded person who has a tendancy to put others ahead of himself and avoid violence until a last resort? It could be that I had the truth about the consequences of violence available and the role model of heros instead of psychopaths. Maybe it was because my parents didn't shove anything but the consequences of law and order down my throat when it comes to brainwashing/education. Maybe it is because I had morality and religion given to me as choice I had to make for myself. Maybe I was just born this way. Maybe God is lending me support in times of moral crisis. I think that it is likely a combination of all those things that set the stage, and finally my own self for making the choices once I was informed. I refuse to believe that if I'd been exposed to modern TV/fictional violence I'd be a bad person. I might have made more ignorant decisions, but I wouldn't be a fundamentally different person.

Selanit - You can't learn all the important things in the Ivory Tower, Selanit. Not a one of the wise men of days of old could avoid getting down into the dirty mess with the rest of humanity. You don't have to be corrupted or anything, but understanding people requires ~living~ and what good is all that knowledge without any wisdom? You'd be amazed at how much you can learn from suffering etc. Though I must say, from what I've observed of you, you certainly ~haven't~ been hiding in the Ivory Tower for very long if at all :)

The Daily Show - Mexican Boarder Police call it the Daily, I call it exceptionally good.

Jackal - I don't know about your childhood man, and I'm not going to critize. I made a conscientious choice to keep any and all mind-altering/ judgement imparing substances a good distance from my person thanks. I take my responcibilities with first aide training and emergency preparedness very seriously. I like to keep ready for that unexpected call to help out. That's just me. As for what you can post � I believe in free speech, but since we keep voting for the likes of President Buba on one hand with his 'Big Brother' know's best party, and Jerry Farrell's friends on the other hand, we have the FCC to worry about. For the sake of the Board we will comply to keep it open. As for kids on the net, why the heck don't parents educate and/or supervise their kids? Jeez! This is a ~public~ forum, however, which should be able to be enjoyed by children, so we should be considerate.

Thought for the day: What is the difference between animal and machine. Life. What is the difference between machine (computer) and man? A soul. What can man do that a machine can not? Be more than the sum of its external influences/ programing.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:25:46 AM
IP: 141.133.135.13

***WARNING: RANT COMING ON*****
I'm so pissed at ABC right now, I'm ready to hop in my car, drive out to Hollywood, and kick ass. Forget about the taking names part.
Today I received word that my favorite new show of the season, the best show of the season IMO, CUPID, has been canceled. Done. Finite. Adios, vaya con Dios. AND I'M MAD ABOUT IT!!!!
Now I know that there are some in here, at least there are some in the other CR, who are a fan of the show. It was wonderfully acted by both Jeremy Piven (who now we'll never know whether he was Cupid or not) and Paula Marshall (we'll never see if she hooks up with Trevor), the writing was good, the show was thoughtful, witty, funny, and downright perfect in every way. Now these IDIOTS running ABC have ruined what could have been, in the long run, a classic show. (I'm sorely tempted to begin one long rant about Disney, who of course owns ABC, but that's for another day) Cupid fans, I urge you to write to ABC. You can join the "Save Cupid" movement by visiting http://www.mancow.com, and clicking on the "Show" button to find the address. (I don't really advocate radio deejay Mancow, but hey, at least he's trying to save the show) Let's show these ABC execs who have their heads up their behinds that WE decide the programming, not them!

On a side note, I've also heard that another one of the shows I've picked up on this season, BRIMSTONE, has also been given the axe. This is wonderful. Soulless abominations like "Dawson's Creek" and "Felicity" will live a lifetime on tv, while good, interesting, well-done programs like Cupid and Brimstone get sent to television hell. ABC, FOX---listen up! When I am king, you all will be first against the wall! You hear me? Death to you! I hope that crazed terrorists and serial killers go out of their way to exterminate your ranks from the general population!!!! DIE DIE DIE!!!!!

Sigh. I'm very passionate about my tv.
****END RANT****

Buffy: No spoilers in this post, really.
I just got one question: Did Cordelia really have to be *such* a witch? (actually, I was thinking of another word that's similar to that one....) Seems to me she was really, really bustin' Xander's chops for no good reason.
By the way, has anyone else seen the previews for Sarah Michelle Gellar's new movie "Cruel Intentions"? I'm gonna go see it....probably cause she's naked in it......

More Teen Drivel: So, some of us are going to see "She's All That" this weekend? Don't know much about the flick, but it does star Matthew Lillard--who, IRL, used to be friends with my sister. True story.
Plus, the "dorky girl" who becomes the knockout is the same actress in those ultra-cool drug ads. You know, she's beating the crap outta the kitchen with the frying pan? I love those commercials!

Robby: Yeah, that's the Austin Powers trailer I saw! "If you see one movie this year....go see Star Wars. But if you see TWO movies....go see Austin Powers 2!" Mike Myers is the best. As for him playing multiple roles, I hear that he's going to play a minuature Dr. Evil clone, who's only about a foot high. Already, the mental image of that makes we wanna laugh! And for you Oz fans, I do believe Scott is in the sequel.

Survey: I forgot to list one thing. In addition to the Backstreet Boys and N'Sync, I would also like the group the New Radicals to be eaten by a pack of wild dogs, and all traces of the noise pollution they call music be burned publicly. (Sorry if there are any New Radicals fans in here, but you'd have to understand the circumstances I say this under. Literally, every tv channel, every radio station, every time I leave my house I hear that horrible New Radicals song, and see their faces. Overkill has driven me past the point of rational thought. I am not myself. I will shoot them on sight.)

Jewel: Yes, I did hear they're moving ahead with a Preacher movie. Personally, I don't know how well it'd translate to the big screen. Garth Ennis would definitely have to write the screenplay, but even then I'm sure the Catholic Church would try to ban it at all cost.
But as far as comics-becoming-movies goes, I hear that they're making a HELLBOY movie, for a possible summer 2000 release....which could coincide with the Bryan Singer X-MEN movie being released then as well....

Blue: I agree with your stance on medical research. If we spent half as much energy and effort trying to find a cure for cancer or AIDS as we do trying to find a cure for male pattern baldness or impotency (I've always mocked Viagra) we'd be rid of those ailments by now. The world at large suffers, but at least some old fart can still fulfill his marital obligations.

Jackal: Hey, in case you were watching MTV "Most requested" tonight, after the Britney Spears video played, the Reverend himself said that he was a fan of hers. Good enough for me!

Daily Show: I'm a big fan of the show. I think it's the best news program on the air today, even if half the stuff's a joke! As for my opinion on Jon Stewart....well, he's a little more laid back than Craig Kilborn, but Jon's a funny guy. I still watch the show now that the Kilborn-era has passed.

****WARNING: CONTROVERSIAL STUFF. IT MAY OFFEND SOME ONE.****
I'm gonna talk about the recent remarks on the sex, drugs, and violence issues brought up here.

I'm probably gonna come off as a huge dick here, but I think the speculation is getting pretty ridiculous. "Some child can come on here." The only "child" I've seen here is Deuce, who I believe is only 14 (help me out with this one Deuce, am I right?). And heck, he's smarter than I am (150 IQ? Um....do you do Accounting homework?), and probably more mature. Sex is an infrequent topic here, and it's always handled discretely, or at least with subtlety--subtlety that a younger child probably wouldn't understand. Hey, I didn't even know about all the sexual references in Shakespeare until high school. I don't think one set of survey questions is gonna corrupt someone. I don't think Dumlao should shut the sight down cause of, what was the number? 4 questions?

As for drugs, they're practically NEVER brought up in here. And probably never will again (okay, by anyone other than Jack). Don't really see the huge issue here.
As for violence in the RP.....Please. The most violent bits are the ones involving Kenny the Lawyer and Dis Connect, and even then they're downplayed with cartoonish violence. They're little more than the death scenes that Wile E. Coyote's endured (although, more creative). The Rp's themselves usually use more suspense and cliffhanger endings than hardcore blood-n-guts gore. I don't see where violence is a problem.

But why are we worrying about this? TGS is a comment room, yes for many other things, but first and foremost for the Gargoyle Saga fan fiction series. I've read the TGS stories--they're written with a level of maturity that a younger child doesn't have. Besides, I'm not bad mouthing them or anything, but there's plenty of violence (and even some sex--hey, how the heck do you think a BABY showed up in the current storyline? And I remember Brooklyn and Sata getting a little busy occasionally.) in TGS. I think the readers of TGS, and the posters in this comment room are mature enough to handle a few questions on sex. And mature enough to understand the violence.

I would also like to agree with Kitiana, in that parents often moan and complain about what they're kids watch, yet they're the ones sitting the child down in front of the tv themselves, while they go work that second job to pay off the loan on their new Mercedes. It's a joke. Television has become the surrogate parent, the new babysitter. You want to stop their viewing habits, howza bout you turn the set off once in a while and actually DO something with them. Play ball, take them out for ice cream, something.

So, at the risk of sounding like a jerk, I'd just like to say that I'm NOT sorry for answering the questions in the survey. I think we're all mature enough to handle them. For those who chose not to take the survey or to edit it, hey, I respect your opinion. But for me, I really didn't see what was so offensive about it.
****END CONTROVERSIAL STUFF***

***BEGIN RP****
On the Death Star....

Troops are scrambling and officers and personnel frantically struggle to escape in some way from the Death Star, which itself isn't fairing too well under the assault of the Dark Star fleet.
Anton Sevarius nervously wrings his hands together. "Son, we still have time. We can escape from the fleet! Jerec...Jerec and the others can protect us...."
SJ 2 grins savagely at his father. "You don't get it. They're the HEROES. They have this inbred desire to do good. Which means, they won't let us die. They can't....it'd be murder to them."
Sevarius looks at the clone, confused. "They....won't destroy us?"
"Well," the clone adds with a smile. "I know ONE of them won't."
And from inside the Dark Star, Sevarius Jr. suddenly feels a chill run up the length of his spine....
***PAUSE RP****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 11:58:31 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

**Robby enters and hurts Mr. Dis Connect. Trust me, he deserves it. And just so Kenny doesn't feel left out, Robby hurts him too.**

Image check- Cavall

Doug- Dark Tower is Stephen King's currently unfinished series... It ties together ALL of his stories. Flagg, It, Carrie, Cujo... All come together in one big explanation... Be warned, the first book is a kinda lame western...

James- Hey, if I can make it to the staff, I'm sure you can. Just hang in for a year or so... And I told ya, Requiem was good...

Daily show- I like Jon Stewart, always have. He's not quite the Daily Show host yet in my opinion, but he isn't changing the show any, he'll grow into it. I'm just too used to Craig Kilborn right now...
What scares me some is... Every story on that show is true... "There are more things in Heaven and Earth Horatio than can be dreamt of in your philosophy" seems to apply... Hey, didn't they visit a town called "Heaven"?

Coyote, Kyryn- Yeah! Guests finally! Too bad I already used by RP bit for today... Ah well... Just remember Coyote, don't serve that liquor to anyone under age!

Kitainia- Well said, and very true.

Stormy- Words get in trouble less often than pictures because the people offended by pictures are the same type who never read the words to understand... Ex. Trying to ban video games and comic books for violent content... And then there are people who read 1000 page Stephan King books, COUNT how many cuss words are in them, and THEN try to get them banned from schools... But didn't we talk about all of this when Disney pulled the Rescuers like a week ago?

Children- Wendi and Richard Pini of Elfquest fame (or non-fame as the case may be) have been married for 26 years, and no kids. Why? Because they devote all their time and energy to their story kids, the characters of Elfquest... (Which just hit year 21 by the way!) Now that's dedication and love...

Jackal- What scares me about you man is some times, you make sense and really good points...

Durid-- Pretty, example, genetics, and, spelling, enhancing... Six typos in a post isn't that bad at all... I'm sure I make at least as many on average...

Personal note- The next gargoyle story I read will be my 350th! I'm making decent progress on my goal to read every garg fanfic on the net, though that task seems more and more impossible the more I read... Especially since I have staff duties now... Ah well, gotta dream...

Also... Since image checks could take a while, on Sunday I'll probably just run through them all, in posts saying nothing more than the name provided for the image. As a result on Sunday night, the room will be full of posts with images, but I figure this shouldn't be too much of a problem since the room is cleared Sunday, and posting slows down considerably then anyhow... If anyone has objections to my doing this, you have a couple days to speak up. If not... Expect a very picturesque room Sunday night...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 11:44:01 PM
IP: spider-wj054.proxy.aol.com

Okay Robby I just finished Requim. Very well written story I think.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 11:24:56 PM
IP: dt043n62.san.rr.com

Just a quick post. I have been pettry much reading all the TGS notes, and will be for awhile. So don't panic if I don't read or post much here for awhile. OR just go on almost ignoring me :) Either way, see you all later.

Kyryn: About Thersaus's twisted horn. That isn't an exampel of genticts, but an accident that happened just as he was coming out of the egg. Annd as for my spelling...MY STELLING CANNOT BE THAT **looks back at what he just typed, some steam rises from his head, and he just growls and walks away**

Note: That isn't really how bad I spell, I was just enhanseing it for comedy. Yeah, that's the ticket! I was enhanseing it! :)
Durid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 11:02:06 PM
IP: dialupb149.mpls.uswest.net

First off I'd like to say, Sarah (buffy) and Britney Spears need to get married, they would make a cute couple!!! Anyway, I've read everyone's opinion...., here's mine.

��Jackal rants...., Don't read��

Now, I can't help what my friend started, and even if I could go back in time and stop him from posting the survey, I would NOT stop him! I don't believe this room SHOULD be rated, that's retarded and it smokes crack! This should be a NR room, I have alwayz treated it that way... But, why is it people were offended by the drugs section of the survey? Honestly, I don't understand that, people answered about what they would to the people they hate, but didn't say anything about the drugs?!! Well you know what, Jackal smokes weed! Jackal drinks beers (in secret, they'll send me to AA), He's been known to take 2 or more hits of Acid (geltabs). Jackal's on "Xtacsy", in short..., I do drugs! On the other hand, I have NO DESIRE TO KILL ANYONE! But drugs offend people..., it's ok to go and kill someone.... fine, whatever.
Now don't get me wrong, this CR would get pretty boring without the violence but don't bitch about one thing and say nothing about the other, sex and violence go hand in hand.
About how I raise my children- By traditional standards I'm a pretty f*cked up person. And in the past I've raised concern about how I raise my kids in RL and in the CR. So, I'm gonna tell yall what I tell everyone who wants to say how "bad" of a parent I am. Yes, I DID have my frist child too early in life, I was 17, but rather than giving up on THIS child's life, I.., excuse me..., WE decided to have it. And since day ONE, I have talked to my son like he was my best friend and that's because he IS! There's other 5 and 6 year olds that know jack sh*t about drugs and alcohol, they know not to talk to strangers but they know nothing about drugs, but damn it, I taught me kid about that, of course I didn't say, they make everything way cooler. And I didn't say they were bad either..., I pointed put the repercussions of doing them. I honestly hope I handle the sex issue the same way, "it's not bad, it's not good." Am I or will I confuse my kids..., We'll find out, but didn't no one tell me sh*t, and look at me! I am much more crazier in RL than I am in this CR, that's because when I come in here, believe it or not I tone down my personality to spare you people, but that doesn't seem to be enuf for some, just be glad you don't know me personally..., I'm a sick f*cker. If I like your car, I will lick it passionately, this is me. So believe me when I say, I tone it down.
��End of Jackal's ranting��

In closing I wanna say that Britney Spears is god!!!!
Jackal - [Jackal1127@hotmail.com]
Ga, Usa
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 10:58:05 PM
IP: spider-wd024.proxy.aol.com

Thanks for your encouragement Karyn and Coyote
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 10:12:51 PM
IP: dt043n62.san.rr.com

Deuce, Stormy: Thanks for the support. I fully intend to become a counselor, as you all know. Family or high school counseling are the two specific fields I'm most interested in. And Stormy, I completely agree with what you said about how the RP should be PG violence (as Gargoyles was and TGS is) and no more. We shall try to keep it at that level from now on, if we are allowed to continue it.

Bye for now.
Kitainia
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 09:48:25 PM
IP: hil-c45-006-vty58.as.wcom.net

KITAINIA> Become a family therapist. That's all I have to say. :-)
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 09:39:22 PM
IP: pppa70.connect.ab.ca

Violence: Actually, I don't find it offensive...I'm a WWII specialist :-) and I certainly write enough of it in my fics.

I agree, however, with an earlier point. It was said that it is hypocritical to demand that sex talk be kept to a PG level when R-rated violence occurs in the RPs. That's true. If this is going to be a PG rated board, it should be PG rated in ALL areas (sex, violence, swearing, etc.)

And I think this SHOULD be a PG-rated board so that it is "family-friendly" to all ages.

Kitainia, I agree with a lot of what you say. My family taught me to handle a firearm safely and responsibly, which is far better than just "guns are bad, avoid guns." I totally agree with the whole "cookie jar syndrome" thing.

I just don't think this board is an appropriate place for mature-only subject matter. It should have the same rating as the entire TGS series (which, incidentally, had to do some toning down partway through the first season to stay at the same G/PG rating as the show.)

It's all a question of what's appropriate. My fanfic character Wagner--he's an ex-Nazi. There are online pics of him in Wehrmacht uniform, etc, but there will NEVER be a pic online of him with the SS uniform carrying a big swastika flag. Why not? I don't think it's appropriate. Anyone who's read my fic knows that about his history, and having pics plastered with offensive symbols are too easily misconstrued (I've already had to do a heck of a lot of explaining about the Wehrmacht uniform as it is) and can really upset people, which is not my intent with the character. (My intent, for the curious, was developing a character who would have to reform himself, realize his mistakes, deal with his guilt, suffer the consequences of his past.) Anyone who wants the sordid details can read them in heavily labelled fics or email me.

(And oddly enough, READING something described in print seems almost never to be as offensive as viewing an image of it. Wonder why??)

But apart from that digression--Similarly, anyone who wants something above PG rating can find another venue to express it, be it email, PG fics, etc.

As to the RP, as I said I don't read it and I don't mind its presence, but as far as guidelines go, I'd suggest an overall PG rating to keep with the rating of the rest of the board, in the interest of fairness.
Stormy - [<--The infamous Wehrmacht pic]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 09:35:13 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Taleweaver: I agree with you absolutely about having children and not denying yourself a part of life. This can in fact be related to my thoughts on the RP violence debate.
Said Opinion: Same as Doug's, Coyote's, Robby's, and Kyryn's. Apologies to Lady Mystic, Stormy, and anyone else we may have offended. Now here is a rather long side note-

I think that a lot of the reason we get worried about kids seeing too much violence is paranoia more than realism. I know this view is unpopular, but I'm going to go on. I don't care how much I get flamed. I was a kid once, and most of the violence I saw on TV back in those days I understood was not real and not a good thing. The same applied to most of the kids I knew then, and a large number of the ones I know now. We all accepted the violence as part of the show, and thus part of the world (which violence is), and were able to understand it being in there. And with the help of our parents, understand the reasons behind the violence- John MaClane isn't shooting those terrorists just because he wants to, he's doing it to defend himself, save lives, free prisoners, and take revenge on bad guys who deserve everything they get. He-Man is beating up Skeletor with his sword for the same reasons, just as Optimus Prime is shooting Megatron, Leia is shooting the stormtroopers, Bugs is hurting Elmer, etc, etc, etc. Now I admit a lot of kids wouldn't understand the violence this way. Why? I don't just blame it on the shows, or the kids, I blame the parents. Why do I blame the parents? They're coping out. Instead of accepting violence as something that can have good connotations and uses as well as bad, something that's always been in our history and part of many of our heroes, and something which kids need to be taught about how and when to use, they're just assuming it's all bad and telling Congress or whatever other authority figures there are to get rid of it. Thus saving them the trouble of teaching their kids about it, and they assume, protecting their children from violence. But does it really work? I don't know. Speaking from my own experience, I don't think I would have ever learned to defend myself if I hadn't seen people doing it effectively on TV as a kid. I would have assumed it was unnecessary, and if I ever got into a real combat situation, I would have been an instant victim like so many people are these days. I wouldn't have been inspired by strong heroic role models, and thus I would have ended up a scared kid all my life instead of the strong brave and yes, violent when I need to be person I am today. This is something to consider. But of course it wasn't due just to the role models I saw on TV, it was also due to my parents and people like them sitting right there beside me while I was watching it and talking to me about what was on there during the commercials or afterwards, explaining the violence and the reasons behind it, why it was used and that it was not just gratuituous. How many parents do that these days, and how much less violence would there be in the world if more would? The same could also apply to sex. Kids see violence and sex on TV, and parents just tell them to stay away from it instead of talking to the kid about it and helping them understand why it's a part of life and when it's right and wrong, they just be the kid's authority figure instead of their friend. They're coping out, and I think this is responsible for a lot of the bad things that are happening with our children.

Why do I think this? Because I was a kid once, and I choose to remember the experience and meditate on how it's affected my life. The only shows I saw on TV when I was a kid that had no violence whatsoever were stuff I considered boring as hell. Except for Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers, and according to the other kids, those were "baby shows" I wasn't supposed to be looking at. Kids can be cruel, and kids listen to other kids more than they listen to adults, that is a truth many adults deny. Taking this to the next level, let's consider a kid who sees a couple of violent episodes on TV and is then forced by their parent to only watch nonviolent TV from that point on. Yes, they'll be constantly trying to watch the violent TV again, so as not to get bored. And the stuff they enjoyed watching, the stuff that was easier for their young minds to understand, will stick in their minds more than the boring stuff. They're already learning most of the stuff they see on Sesame Street and shows like it in school, they see no need to watch these shows anymore. Plus, their friends are all enjoying the "really cool" action-adventure shows like Transformers and Batman, which the parents don't let them watch because of the violence, which the parents won't even talk to them about for fear of it polluting the child's mind. And when the kid gets pushed around by a bully or whatever, they'll ask the parents what to do. They'll usually say to ignore the bully. Believe me, I've been there, that does not work. Then they'll say tell a teacher, which usually gets the bully in trouble for a while, but the beating is all the more severe when they're able to hit you again. And the kid can never stand up to the bully and people like him, either he's shoved around and picked on all his life or he remembers that on the violent shows he saw the good guy effectively got rid of the bad guy somehow. Never considering that there may be a better way, he gets a gun and shoots the bully dead. Neither kind of child should be one any parent in their right mind would want, and yet this is what we get when we don't talk to our kids about stuff like violence, sex, and drugs.

Forbidding a kid to do something will get them to do it a lot more than one might think. At my high school, you wouldn't believe how many kids wanted to have sex just they thought it was a good thing and because their parents were forbidding them to do it. Same deal for drugs, and owning guns, and doing graffiti, etc. I call this the "Cookie Jar Syndrome." When the kid was young, the parent would hide the cookie jar from them, and forbid them to eat out of it unless they said so. They never really told the kid why they were doing it, just expected them to obey and that was that. And the kid, knowing the cookies were good, grew to hate the parent because they were keeping them away from the cookies. Now, when kids get older and become teenagers, they see parents telling them to stay away from violence, sex, and drugs just because they're bad and that's it. They don't feel the need to say more. Thus the kid begins to assume that sex, violence, and drugs are like cookies, they're a good thing. Again, they feel rebellious. And since their parents aren't willing to tell them about these things and what they're like, they learn from other people. Often they go to the bully, who's now become a gang member, who nobody bothers because he uses violence to get his way and is proud of it. They go to the local drug salesman, who extols his product to them and only mentions its virtues. They go to the resident group of kids who make dirty jokes and assume sex is all natural and fun and can never really hurt people. They assume parents are just forbidding them to do these things because they want to keep them all to themselves, not for the good reasons parents are really doing it. Their opinion may be backed up by those of their peers, and by what they see or hear their parents doing (I'm sure everyone can guess what I mean by this). Thus they assume things like drugs, violence, and sex are good and parents are against them. Therefore, they stop listening to parents' advice and will have an easier time deciding to do violence, drugs, or sex.

There's also the "Swear Word Syndrome." When most kids say swear words, their parents punish them, tell them never to say the swear word again, and never tell them why the word is bad. Then maybe the parent gets mad at someone and starts swearing at them, and the kid hears it. Trust me, kids can not understand why it's okay for you to do something and them not to if the only reason you give is "because I say so" or some vague thing like that. We do listen, and parents too often assume we don't. They assume authority is all that's needed and they're wrong. Thus many children never grow up understanding the deal behind sex, violence, and many other things. And when they get older, and see themselves becoming more like grown-ups, they start assuming bad things like saying swear words and having sex are okay because they know the grown-ups are doing them and not getting in trouble. And they hate their parents even more because they now seem to be denying that the kid is grown-up, which every teenager assumes they are. Thus, again they are less inclined to listen to their parents and more inclined to do the forbidden things. And even worse, they often don't do them in the appropriate circumstances, because nobody ever told them the appropriate circumstances. This could be a main reason why so many people these days have sex without love or even friendship, and senseless violence without just cause. It's terrible, but it's true.

So my advice to parents out there is this- If you see your kid watching sex, violence, or anything else disturbing on TV, or reading it in comics, or whatever, don't just switch off the medium and scream at them. Talk to them as a friend, help them understand what is bad and what isn't. And accept that things like violence and sex are here to stay, and trying to shelter kids from the problem does not solve it. Helping them understand the problem, and when it is and isn't a bad thing, does. Kids do listen when you talk to them like this. I've been there, I remember it, I know. And after having such chats with their parents, they are not only less inclined to do the things their parents warned them about because now they know why they're bad, but they are more inclined to listen to the parent in the future and treat them as a friend instead of a foe.

This is the real challenge of parenting, acknowledging your child as a person, and being willing and able to treat them as one. And as who they are, not who you want them to be. Not everyone is up to it, but I hope my advice at least helps some.

That's all I have to say about that.

Later,
Kitainia
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 08:43:27 PM
IP: hil-c45-081-vty42.as.wcom.net

**Kyryn strolls into the room**

looooong day!

Blue Caern> Welcome!

The lurkers appear one by one. Hurrah! Hurrah! (to the tune of 'When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again')

RP> Well, I was involved in it for a while. I generally haven't seen any problems with the levels it has been at.

James> Grammar and spelling are not a problem. That's what editors are for! (Speaking as the Head of Edits for Season Three). Yours can't be any worse than Durid's, and he's on staff (no offense intended, Durid :) ). By all means, please apply the next time openings come around.

Twisticats and genetics> There's a perfect example of what repeated inbreeding will do. Interestingly enough, that is an extreme example of some of the problems that people are having today with 'purebred' dog and cat lines. People keep breeding for a selected trait, and, in so doing, also fix certain 'bad' genes into the line. Or, they breed to an extreme, where the trait itself becomes a liability. Most short nosed dogs and cats have breathing problems throughout their lives. German Shepherds, bred for that 'low slung' look, now have hip displasia problems as a result. Blue-eyed white cats have a tendency to deafness, etc., etc. I've often wondered if there were problems, or there are going to be problems with recessive genes in gargoyle lines. There's not that many of them left, and a fair proportion of those are probably closely related. Thersites twisted horn in Dark Ages might be an example of this.

Ah well, I'm off for home!

G'night all.

**BEGIN SMALL RP**

Kyryn turns to leave, but realizes that Jim is throwing a party again. "Oh, kewl!" She dives through a portal and heads for Jim's mansion.

**END SMALL RP**
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 08:12:34 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

**RP!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal ... Coyote and Ravyn emerging from the long corridor to Preston's lair, greeted by the loud cheers of Coyote's party. Even Ravyn's car is celebrating; she's honking loudly.**

Looks like we're being warmly welcomed back.

**Ravyn laughs as the crowd rushes them, literally carrying them on their shoulders back to the vehicles.**

Whoa, guys, why so happy?

<"You beat him didn't you?">

Well ... yeah ...

<"It's reason enough!" "Besides that, we found Preston's secret stash of Mexican tequila.">

All right! We've got the stuff for the party!! **more loud cheers. Ravyn jumps into her car.**

<"Ready to go, Charlotte?">

**double takes** You picked a name?

<"Yeah. Charlotte. You like it?">

It's great!

**END RP!!**

$Incidentally ... that *is* what Ravyn named the car.$

More freaky cat stuff: In the end credits of last night's The Daliy Show, they showed footage from a video made by this one woman who says you can use your cat as a freeweight. Now, knowing by two cats, if I tried this I'd have the living crap clawed out of me before I could even try the first exercise (remind me to tell you some time about the time I crawled down the stairs in my house with a cat on my back ... who didn't want to get off!!).

James: I also wish you luck on the next go-round getting on the staff ... as I myself am also a staffer.

Lady Mystic: Nice to see ya back. As for why I did the survey, I needed a chance to release some wit. Incidentally, I reserve the right to change one of my answers. ("Who would you rather spend more time with than anything?")

Blue Caeru: Hmm ... another long-time lurker. Welcome to the madness ... hope it's more fun as a participant than as an observer! :)

Violence in the CR: $I defend my actions in the RP this way ... I have only disclosed the circumstances surrounding Preston's role in my life to three others in this room (Kitainia, Doug, and Ravyn) to explain his presence. If you knew what he'd done to me ... if he'd done it to you ... then you would've been more than happy to pull the trigger, I guarantee you.$

Christine: *eyes wide* You watch the Daily Show? Coolies! :) (Tell me, what do *you* think of Jon Stewart as opposed to Craig Kilborn?)

Doug: $I understand. Let me get this last bit out first before you pause yours, it's fairly peaceful. And my opinion is ... if they've done harm to you, it's fine by me whatever you choose to do to 'em.$

**RESUME RP!!**

<"Coyote ... we're at least four days away from San Antonio ... how're we going to get back for Jim's Super bowl party?">

**smiles at Ravyn** I always have a plan ... remember the cloaking device?

<**nods**>

Well, while I was at Krazy Kovold's they were having a special. Buy a cloaking device, get a large-area transporter free. **calls to Jason and the Gearhead** How many cases you want to take?

<"Uhh ... all of it?">

Yeah right. Leave 'em at least one for when they come to. **counts to self** That makes 18. Okay. Everybody in close around the hooch!

**The tank and Charlotte close in around the 18 cases of tequila sitting in the open. Coyote jumps into the Commander's Seat of the tank, cellphone in hand.**

Okay guys, ready?

<"Ready to go!" "Check!" "Arf!" "Anytime you are!" BEEP!>

Then awaaaaaaaaaaay we GO!

**Coyote punches a key combo into the cellphone. The tank, the car and the 18 cases of Mexican alcohol shimmer out of sight ...

... appearing in Jim Iza Noying's back yard. Pinky and the Brain are barely able to scramble out of the way before Coyote, Ravyn and party materialize on their heads, in the middle of the artificially-generated snowfield.**

All right! NOW it's a party!!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:53:08 PM
IP: modem94.i-is.com

Hey it's okay Robby. I'm a terrible writer anyhow so I most likely would not be qualified. I have bad grammer/spelling/punctuation and all that stuff English teachers always mark you down for even if the basic idea behind the writing is good.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:44:01 PM
IP: dt043n62.san.rr.com

When to have children> Yup, conditions are favorable now. But if *everybody* does it now, at higher than replacement rate, how long will conditions *stay* favorable?

As for me falling in love, that would be nice. I've never been in love. Who knows what may wash up on Infinity's Shore?
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria, Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:38:29 PM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

**A LITTLE RP**

(Note to Jaden- read this to find out what's going on with the group you're in.)
Doug and those with him have parked horizontally across the road and are now crouched behind it, under a barrage of fire from the Wolfenstein Nazis. A line of forcefields set up by Lathrop is absorbing the fire, and the Ravens are waiting for the bad guys to run low on ammo before they counterattack. "How did they find us?" Doug asks again, ducking behind the Onslaught's huge front wheel. "That guy in the front truck," Jaden whispers. "It can't be." "Who?" "Tracker. He must have led them here." "The guy you told us about?" "Yeah, he's found me." "Great," Doug sighs. "Looks like we're about to have a little showdown with him. We'll be a little late getting to the factory." He sighs again and turns to face the CR.

**END RP FOR NOW**

Robby: I haven't read the Dark Tower series, maybe I should. Thanks for telling me Flagg was in there.

Eating Armadillos: They don't taste that gross. As gross as it sounds, armadillo is actually quite good. I guess it's just one of those things you assume tastes disgusting until you try it. Then you know it's good. That's how it was for me, anyway.

Cthulthu plush dolls: Hey, I have one of those. It's real cute. <grin>

Battle Beasts: I too used to collect these. But my collection was stolen along with all my other toys way back when I was twelve.

Kaioto: Giaks? You must be a fellow Lone Wolf fan! Never thought I'd find one here. Not that I'm suprised of course, those are good books.

Buffy ep: I agree with everything Kitainia and Todd have said about it. I too liked the character development on Xander, and his new relationship with the show's second most interesting girl. (First is Willow, especially in vampire form.) As for this ep striking a blow for Jimmy Olsen characters, yeah, it did, but there's one problem with that. Xander is not a Jimmy Olsen character. He's one of the best characters on the show, in every ep I've seen him in, except for this one and maybe some of the early Season 1 eps (which I can't remember too well), all the other good guys took him seriously as a part of the team. He also got a girl twice before now, though he wasn't as intimate with either Cordelia or Willow as he is with Faith. And he's had ample opportunities to prove he's a serious character. Who saved Buffy's life with CPR at the end of Season 1? Who became a real soldier in the Halloween ep and beat up a lot of bad guys, plus retained the latent military power? Who had the idea to use a rocket launcher to blow up the Judge? Who decided to use Cordelia for bait early on in Season 3 and ended up helping the team trap and stake a tough vampire? Who has been fighting beside the team since the show began, showing as much bravery as any of them, and been spouting off many of the best lines while doing it? Xander every time. And that's just his most significant accomplishments. To treat him like he wasn't taken seriously in this episode just seemed completely out-of-character for Buffy and everyone else on the team, and out-of-continuity, too. I didn't like it, even if it did make for a great plot. Maybe it just should have been done sooner. And, btw, Taleweaver, Xander did save the world. I mean, if he hadn't gotten O'Toole to disarm that bomb, it would have been bye-bye for Buffy, Giles, and everyone fighting the dragon and those blue demon thugs. Then the Hellmouth would have remained open, demons flood the world. So Xander's again a hero. I just hope that the show's writers revert to acknowledging it from now on.

RP violence: I apologize to anyone who may be offended by it, I guess we didn't really consider the implications of putting it in there. We just considered the action part of the story, and since violence seems to be accepted in most kids' shows these days, left it in. I understand how people could get offended and disturbed by it, and thus would like to take some action. We do want to keep the RP in here, after all, right? Therefore, we need to set up a few violence rules. DumlaoX must of course have the final say as to what's allowed and what isn't, but here are some guidelines I think should be used. Basically what I consider the different ratings of violence.
G- Normal stuff with whatever kind of weapons, just people using the weapons to get each other. People get hurt, but no blood is visibly shed, or described in the case of writings. Minor wounds are the only wounds suffered, unless there's a plot device. This is what one sees most often on animated shows such as Gargoyles, Batman, and most Disney animated movies.
PG- Same as above, except blood is shown. People now get wounded severely and sometimes die from their wounds. The process is described, and the pain alluded to. Also applies when large numbers of people are killed in a violent way without really describing the gore level or how it was done (ex- Bad guys are taken out by gunfire). This is what's most often seen in the RP, IMO.
PG-13- Here the gore increases again. People get wounded critically here, and sometimes even mortally. Beheadings, disembowelments, all these things are mentioned as happening but not described. Since anyone knows what's happening, though, it does get a higher rating. I admit, we've seen this violence level on occasion in the RP. Just not very often.
R- Gore really increases, to Doom levels. Beheadings and disembowelments happen, the blood is described, the wounds are clearly stated for all bad guys involved. The only thing worse than this is the ultimate gore situation in which somebody dies in a gory way and what happens to every part of their body is described. R also applies to people ripping off others' body parts (though not decapitation, that's usually less grisly), cutting each other in half, etc. I don't think the RP's ever gotten this bad, Kenny's deaths are another story.
Amount of violence is also something to be considered. I admit, many of our RP posts would rank an R on that score. And I apologize to whatever silent-until-now people were offended by it. We did however always try to keep the level of gore at PG-13 or below and I think that may have done much to help excuse it. Also, people know it's not real, like Robby pointed out to us (thanks for the support, friend!). Plus we do mix in a lot of stuff besides violence. Family conflicts, character dialogue, detective investigation, bad guys and good guys planning their moves, political commentary, and so on. All of this was in Gargs, and is in TGS, I'm surprised people are complaining about our stuff and not it. No offense to the TGS people of course!

Now, as to whether our level of violence is okay for the room or not- like I said, that's ultimately for DumlaoX to decide. The issue hasn't come up before, we have no idea what he would think of it. However, we may be able to go over his head. Therefore I ask everyone in this room who reads the RP, posters AND lurkers, the following:
Do you think the RP's violence level is okay? Before, you've all been silent on this, so we assumed you did. Now we have to make sure, and IMHO, only those who read the RP should really comment on this because only they would really be able to gauge the level of violence in it. No offense to Stormy or anyone like her who doesn't read it and also wants to comment, your opinions matter to us as well. Just please read at least the last few RP posts of this and last week before passing judgement so your judgement will be more fair, okay? Thanks to all who agree to do this. If a significant majority of people don't like the violence, we may consider ending the RP altogether, as the action is an integral part of it, and violence is an integral part of action, unfortunately. I really hope that doesn't happen, we RPers really like doing this interactive story, it's a great amount of fun and venting opportunity. Plus we have so much more to say and do in it, it would be terrible to force the story to end just because of one element of it that in no way diminshes the story IMO.
Excessive violence ruins a lot of good stories out there, yes. But I don't think it ruined Gargoyles, or is ruining the story we have in our RP. It's a part of it, yes. Is it the whole story? No. Like the violence in Gargoyles, our violence is there for a reason, it's not just eye-candy. And it's not that gory either. And there are many good things about the RP that excuse it IMO. So I hope we don't have to end our story prematurely because of this. Violence is a bad thing, yes, and a problem. But I don't think we should end a great story just because a few people don't like it being there when there's so much other good stuff. That's my opinion, hope the rest of you will share yours. Later.

**RP WILL CONTINUE WHEN WE KNOW IF IT'S OKAY**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:38:02 PM
IP: hil-c45-081-vty42.as.wcom.net

The right time to have children> Not to sound overly optimistic. (I'm a cynic and proud of it) But there isn't a better time to have children than now. I've looked and out of the past 7000 years there is rarely a confluence of favorable conditions. There is medical knowledge to assist in a safe delivery. Woman have the choice to have children or not. (You wouldn't believe some periods. Woman had children until the dropped dead at a median age for 28 or 30) Education is the norm more than the exception. And world societies are more inclined to a free spirit.

That doesn't mean having children is easy. It's a mine field of worries, obstacles and troubles. But it is worth it.

I asked my ancestors once why they had children. Especially those that were in slavery in SC. Part of it was hope. Hope that things would get better. Part of it was living. Not for them, but for who they are. This probably isn't coming across that well. But I think life is a lot vaster and mysterious than most people guess, it'd be inadvisible to deny one part of life because of the picture you see.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:24:04 PM
IP: 134.71.30.89

Twisty Kats > Found out about 'em on The Daily Show several weeks back ... tres disturbing ... here's a link to the site ... Clickie-click or go to http://www.usinteractive.com/kellie/original_twisty_page.html

Children > oooh, I better not get into this one ... here's where I have some very arrogant and unpopular ideas ... though I do agree with what seems to be the general consensus about bearing litters. There was an article recently in a local paper (a bizarre local paper) which ranted about the subject, esp. when the people who have 8 kids take a "It's God's will" stance to the kids being sickly or dying; the reporter's rebuttal was that it was God's will made them sterile ... what are ya gonna do?

Off-topic book blathering > will be updating the Author Appearances page today; got a con, a book debut party, and a signing all coming up in the next couple months. As always, http://magelore.ml.org ; )
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:18:08 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Image check- Brooklyn! Yeah, I like this one... Apparently I get to skip to Cavall next time...

Austin Powers 2- I've heard the star of Wayne's World will be playing four characters this time around...

Jaden- Nice to have ya back!

Argent- Yeah, someone else at the party!

James- Sorry, we're not getting your mail... Unfortunatley, you missed staff application by about two weeks... Maybe next time? But save those ideas, maybe if yopu make it to the staff next year you'll be able to use them, or if thats too long, you can write your own fanfic... As far as the Timedancer story "Requiem", thats my favorite one before Sata came along...

Ed- It also helps to think its pronounced "mahm"...

Selanit- You are just begging fate to have you fall in love, you know that? Something like a month and a half ago, I thought pretty much the same thing of myself... **Smiles at Heather**

Deuce- Nope, I'm still a newbie compared to you, I have no clue what you're talking about...

Room rating- I think out of simple good taste most people keep it within a G rating most of the time... Some go to PG off and on... (Hence, the room CAN have a g/pg rating!) And on occassion that gets stressed, as was the case with the survey... But enough about that... In the RP's there isn't generally a massive ammount of violence... Lets take our friendly CR Lawyer Kenny for example. Kenny tends to get killed. A lot. But usually, his deaths are not all that graphic or explicit about what is done to him, most writers just came up with really creative ways to do it... So while he dies often, it is like Wile. E. Coyote and roadrunner... He is understood to not be real, and usually his deaths are kinda fun... Although Kenny is getting little attention as the one to murder now that Mr. Dis Connect has been hired to vent frustrations on... Which makes Kenny very happy... I'll have to be sure to do something about that later... However, this kinda become a tiring argument, because now I'm illustrating the fact that some CR personalities are not real, even though all of us are old enough to realize that. Oii... I think I'm ranting! Enough of it!

Blue Caetu- ANOTHER several month lurker? Geez, we don't get new people anymore, just lurkers... I'm starting to be freaked out..

Quote- "The past is only an arrangement of protons receding at lightspeed."
"That's very romantic Janice."
"Romance is for storytellers."- Robotech, the Sentinals

** JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY **

Amidst the snowball fight going on behind them, Pinky and the Brain trying to recover and launch a new plan beside them, and the thousands of spiffy animals in front of them, (Including twenty flying dolphins!) Jim Iza Noying is staring wide eyed at Brooklyn and Raphael... Shaking hands.
"Um... Did I miss something? At my last party you two hated each other enough to cause a war that got my mansion blown up..."
"Yeah, and afterwards we had an all out brawl over the matter, and found out we have a lot in common in the process. So, we settled the matter, and we're friends now..."
"Ah ha..." Jim nods as a snowball pelts him in the back of his head. "OW!" He turns to see the culprit, and spots someone he never expected to see.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 06:51:30 PM
IP: spider-wd053.proxy.aol.com

Kathy> Okay I'm cool with that.
Robby> I have hardly begun the next chapter in Tiedancer and I already know I love it. MacBeth is my favorite characters as you know. Demona finally being good is happy news but MacBeth's true love dying is sad. Keep you informed I will. ?:-)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 06:01:40 PM
IP: dt043n62.san.rr.com

Hello everyone. Well, I've lurked here for a few months already, but the topics here lately have been so fascinating that I've decided to de-lurk... for now. *for some inexplicable reason, she thinks of a Romulan cloaking device and smiles*

Twisticats: I think it's gross and unethical because developing that "breed" of cat serves no useful purpose and is cruel to the cats. Which sort of leads me to...

Genetics: Yes, we should be very careful with what we do with it. This field has the potential to do so much good (I believe I can mention several things, but I won't), but the idea of "engineering" our children is just so... wrong. *sigh* Yeah, I know that's not much of a statement and that I should elaborate on it, but I figure that I am just expressing my opinion and don't have to for now. What I am concerned about is that one thing can lead to another. e.g.: Perhaps we will be able to use some kind of gene therapy in utero to prevent a child from developing a fatal or debilitating heritable disease (which I think I would support), but how far will we go in trying to prevent other "undesirable" traits? Okay, what I just typed simply smacks of "Gattaca." :-P (Good movie, BTW)

Scientific/Medical Research> I also have questioned the need of developing so many rather unnecessary things just because we have the money to do so. The worst by far are the things for purely cosmetic and physical enhancements, such as silicon implants and Viagra. But this reflects how selfish and overly image-conscious we are. *shakes her head* Oh, wait, I hope I didn't offend anyone with that last statement. I'm not trying to preach and I hope I don't sound that way.

Children: One could say that wanting to have children is selfish as well. People want to live on after they die, and what better way than to have children in their own image? (Think David Xanatos)I am not sure myself if I want to bring children into the world the way it is now. And I don't think I'm too fond of children. If I am too old or are unable to bear children if I change my mind, I would gladly adopt an infant girl from China, or some other place with too many unwanted children. No fertility drugs for me!

Selanit> "The Ivory Tower?" Hmm, I have considered that path as well. I used to be a die-hard academic and wanted a doctorate degree and to do research for the rest of my life, until I realized I wanted it possibly for the wrong reasons and that I was just stressing myself out... long, melodramatic story, I won't go there. But I think you know what you are doing. I believe that was the most serious mood I've ever seen you in. Anyway, I'll be honest: You'd probably make a great parent. Not everyone who is a parent deserves to be one. Don't resign yourself to staying locked up in the tower yet.

Kaioto> A good thought for today, the idea that everyone is connected whether they know it or not.

*lets out a deep breath* All right, I'll move away from the delusion now *trips over her mental block that she carelessly left lying around* that what I just typed makes sense. Thanks, people, for "listening."
Blue Caeru
FL, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 04:45:21 PM
IP: ppp-14-ts12.nerdc.ufl.edu

Survey: For the record, I didn't think that parts of that survey were appropriate either (namely, drugs and sex questions) I have no problem with those who chose to answer the survey and just didnt' answer the pushing-the-limit questions. For those who did *shrug* I'm not gonna start a flame war or anythign, I just think it's inappropriate--there are other boards for that sort of thing, and there's email too...

I didn't answer the survey cause I tend to be a private person. *shrug* maybe another time.

I don't read the RP's, but if there's super-violence above PG level in them, then that should be cut from the board as well as drug/sex talk. Discrimination in allowing violence but not sex is unfair, I agree; I think both are inappropriate for this board.

I think it would GREATLY BENEFIT this room if an outline of the rules was linked to the top of the room so everyone posting could read what was allowed and what wasn't. Something that would be a permanent part of this board.

Stormy
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 04:39:34 PM
IP: pc32.huron.uwo.ca

Hmmm ok this will be my last post on the subject but I want to address some comments that Lady Mystic made on the survey.
, but if excessive sex talk were to be a frequent topic in the room it could cause kids' parents into preventing their kids from stopping by. Do you really want that?

there was really only two question that dealt directly with this issue and everyone here answered those questions either discretly or very very witty!!

. Learning about sex from a discussion board supposing to center around a Gargoyles Fanfic series isn't, IMO, the place for a child to become familiar with that sort of stuff.

Did any one learn anything about the issue (notice I didn�t say the dreaded word :>)? wich leads to

but I can't understand those of you that were here to answer the questions the first time. (I won't name names.)

Mabey they posted for us newbies so we can get to know them better!! The compliant that this is off topic don�t wash because we talk about all fandom(Buffy!!! is one example) we all have great taste in what we like and we like to talk about it. Finally the g/pg rating two comments
one this is the frist time I have seen a rating for the room
Two there is no such thing as a g/pg. there is g then pg ..... If you are worried about kids, then what about the viloence going on in the story that takes place in the CR???? I�m sorry but a survey asking about personal info with what 4 sex questions is less offensive then a story with someone getting thier head blown off (not to mention kenny)
The survey was not rated r (there was a couple of questions that pushed it mainly the drug issue).
Some good came out of it too. We know a little bit more about each other and mabey the rules for the page will be submitted
ok back to work

iron wolf
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 04:24:01 PM
IP: host-209-214-41-170.cha.bellsouth.net

Hey, anybody remember the "good ol' days", back in around 1996, when TGS was still hosted at GeoCities? I shudder at the thought. Anyway, there wasn't much more on the page than a blurb at the bottom, a casting call, and a huge JPEG. Remember now?

Does anybody have the JPEG?
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 04:02:59 PM
IP: ppp214.connect.ab.ca

Selnit> Be Careful what say. Fate might just pair you up with a wife, four children, five pets and a minivan. She's funny like that. For an archetype of predestination Fate loves a surprise.

Buffy> Actually, I loved this one. Struck a blow for the Jimmy Olsens, the Richie Cunninghams, the Joxers and the Radar O'Reillys out there who aren't taken serious and rarely get the girl. It might have been fun if Xandar had saved the world rather than everyone else, but I'm not complaining.
I got a new favorite quote though: "The fate of the world hangs in the... where are all the jellies."
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 02:47:25 PM
IP: 134.71.30.89

Ed> No problem.

Lady Mystic> This is true. The menopause-prevention drug can be helpful to women undergoing early menopause. The drug certainly does have valid uses. However, I think that this drug's existence is a symptom of problems in our attitudes towards genetic research.

Can we justify fertility research of this sort when there are already millions of children who do not have regular access to nourishing food, medical attention or education? The jury is still out.

And, at the risk of sounding cynical and bitter, it really doesn't matter whether it is moral or not. Fertility research pays *very* well, and there will always be scientists who fail to consider the implications of their work. There *will* be more and more ways discovered to have more and more babies. Almost everyone wants children of their own, regardless.

I love children. I really do. I think it would be wonderful to be a father. I would love to stay at home and raise children while my spouse supports the family. But I am not sure if I could ever bring myself to father a child, knowing what I do about living conditions for other children. Perhaps I'll adopt. I don't know. In a way, I envy those less educated than I. Ignorance is bliss, so they say. I disagree -- I simply cannot imagine living happily without my studies. I am the consumnate academic. And the way thing are looking, I'll probably end up a childless widower lost deep in the corridors of the Ivory Tower.

Sigh.
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria, Wednesday, January 27, 1999 02:32:20 PM
IP: envddos1.colorado.edu

Deuce: Ah, I get it :) OK!

Selanit: Well, I�m glad I�m not alone on that, then. Like �awe�, eh? Hm� still sounds weird, but helps a little- thanks :)
ED
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 02:05:07 PM
IP: p12-dowither-gui.tch.virgin.net

Hi everyone! FS and I have been sick for the past week. Along side that we've been pretty busy. So if you were wondering where either of us have been now ya know!

<SORT OF A RANT AHEAD AND NOT INTENDED TO START A FLAME WAR I JUST MISSED THE DISCUSSION WHEN IT WAS AROUND>

SURVEY: <<Forgive me people, but I feel that this survey is inappropriate for this room. Warnings and spoiler tags not withstanding. ...This is a G/PG comment room. If you want to answer Chris's questions, e-mail him your answers. May be I'm old fashioned. May be I'm a prude. But there is a time and place for everything, and this comment room is not it. ... Jr., just remember, inappropriate may not stop you, but it could get the plug pulled on this room. ~Starsinger>> **High fives Theresa!** I agree with Theresa. The rules were made clear before. (I hope Dumlao gets a link to the CR Rules up soon so no excuses can be made for people who forgot the rules or for newbies who didn't know in the first place.)

While FS and I enjoy reading some of that R-rated stuff (if that were what you'd rate it) and would definitely participate in a discussion similar to that IRL (depending on the company and the topic) any talk of that sort is too risky for this kind of public board. The warnings may keep you out of any immediate danger with Dumlao but no way are they going to prevent a child from reading it. I know some children have previous experience with this stuff, but some don't. And some may get traumatized, or offended, if all that they are looking for is to talk to other Gargs fans. (Or it could give newbies a completely different view of what the board is actually for.) Plus what of parents that screen what their kids look at on the net. I wouldn't mind having children on this board, but if excessive sex talk were to be a frequent topic in the room it could cause kids' parents into preventing their kids from stopping by. Do you really want that?

Talking about this stuff is different on the net than IRL because you never know who else is reading these comments. Being open with others doesn't cut it. Anyone can be open. But it takes real character to refrain from lapsing into that mode of being too open at inopportune times. I think that weighing the options of what should be kept from and not kept from children is a really hard topic to answer. But with my experience with helping raise a child (my sister) I know how it feels. The child has to learn these things at one time or another, but its how they learn them that's the key. Learning about sex from a discussion board supposing to center around a Gargoyles Fanfic series isn't, IMO, the place for a child to become familiar with that sort of stuff. If this were an adult-based board centering on Gargoyles then okay I'm all for talk of that sort, but this board is clearly defined as G/PG. Keep it that way. Let sex talk remain through e-mail and other forms of conversation (ie, RL, like at The Gathering). Then Jackal/Chris, you will definitely have more and interesting conversations with people who don't mention this stuff in the room for one reason or another.

Besides half of us already answered surveys with almost identical questions a few months back. I can understand newbies that haven't been around that long to participate in this survey, but I can't understand those of you that were here to answer the questions the first time. (I won't name names.) All you had to do was post a link to the page or date of the archived CR. And if you still wanted to answer the remainder of the questions all you'd have to do is post those. But is makes no sense to re-post something of this magnitude (ie the length of the post it creates) when access to the information is available to the public. Please keep this in mind for future events.

Also, I've noticed that more often than not people who posted offensive or risky material (dealing with sex issues) have been apologizing for posting it after someone else pointed out the potential consequences or offence. My point I'm making is this: why not skip saying the stuff BEFORE you even mention it in the first place. It has already been agreed beforehand that the room was to try and stay G/PG. Try harder to keep it that way so you don't keep making the same mistakes in the future.

That's enough talk from me on the subject. I'm getting tired and sleepy again so I'll end my part of this discussion. If you got something to say to me about this, go ahead. But right now, I leave it as it is.

<END RANT>

Congratulations Argent for receiving the Green Belt!

Infertility & Drugs:
<< I think fertility drugs are a stupid idea. People are supposed to bear one kid at a time, not litters!... ~Kitainia>> That's just an uncontrollable side effect to the drug. My mind's too muddled right now to get into the science behind it all, but that is definitely NOT the goal of what the drug was designed for. The drug causes the woman's body to release more eggs, increasing her chances of conceiving. It's the increased amount of eggs that create the multiple babies being conceived. Basically, you're lucky if the drug works right away (ie, not having to go back to the doc to get re-injected to try again). It's a long process with only "maybe" as the answer. Most of the science-based conceiving methods (in vitro fertilization, fertility drugs, etc) are. And after many tries and many months and alternate methods later (Yes there are stages to it. First you try one option, then another, then another, and so on down the line.) the couple may be lucky enough to conceive. Sometimes, because of the fertility drug, multiple pregnancies happen. Some couples take that as an actual blessing (ie, they can stop trying after this first time -- if they intended on having more than one child further down the road that is). Some couples even opt to terminate some of the babies before a problem arises that could danger the whole lot. Some even opt to put up some for adoption. (I know, why do that when they are just increasing the overpopulation? Who knows?) And some couples never are so lucky. They usually end up either never having children, having children naturally with no trouble later down the road (which is an annoying miracle -- it mocks all that trouble they put themselves through), or adopting. Many adopt. Some even decide to stop trying in the middle of it all and go for adoption.

<< For example, there is now a drug on the market which can actually prevent menopause. Potentially, women with this implant could bear children in their seventies. ~Selanit>> While you prove a good point about women in their seventies having children. Think about the possible uses of the drug. Some women in their thirties could even end up having early menopause, usually caused by stress, an introduction to toxic chemicals (some art supplies' chemicals can cause early menopause -- it has happened) or medical diseases. I've heard cases where this is quite common, especially compared to what you'd expect. There are even reports of some women reaching menopause in their late twenties. (Scary I know!) The drug is a miracle for a young woman who is starting to show the warning signs of menopause. I say that especially for this very reason the drug is well worth it. It just depends on which women decide to take the drug and for what reasons.

I personally agree with Taleweaver that you have to look at more sides of the argument. She made a very good point and said it very eloquently I might add.

Insomnia: I've gone for three days straight of not being able to get to sleep. It has its cycles with me. Sometimes I have no trouble falling asleep. But other times... Heh, I've always had trouble falling asleep. Part of it comes from being too used to the bright lights of the pediatric ward when I was a baby. (FYI, I was in there for 90 days.) Messed up my sleeping schedule, if I ever had one. And the rest of it comes from psychological stress.
Lady Mystic - [Lady-Mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 01:55:04 PM
IP: 209.117.148.169

James > Sorry to burst your bubble, but the staff doesn't look at outside ideas. Our mail is filtered for us so we don't see fan submissions.
Maybe you can apply for a position next time we take applications.
kathy
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 01:11:02 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

Okay Robby thanks for telling me. I'm in no hurry to see a Luoch pic but I sure do like you trying for me. It seems the Gargoyles Encyclopdedia closed down. Not the one here but the one at Avalon homepage or maybe it was a castle. In any case I can't find a picture of Grouch, Bodhe, Findleah, or Luoch any place else on the net.
Okay and I ask again calmly are you Robby are anyone else getting the e-mails I been sending TGS staff by the Send Comments thing that lets me send all of you supposedly the ideas I think of for episodes. It's okay to say yes but stop because your ideas suck. I won't be offended.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 11:51:37 AM
IP: sdcoe205-151.out.sdcoe.k12.ca.us

$Sorry for the RP-only comment, but...
SJ> Sorry, I didn't mean to seem like I was hurrying you; I just thought I'd better explain my actions. ^_^$
Wilek
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 09:57:01 AM
IP: tnt-1-88-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Stephen king movies: The movies made of his horror stuff tend to suck (although there are exceptions--"Misery" was OK, I've heard "The Shining" was but I've fallen asleep every time I try to watch it). But his non-horror does well--"Shawshank" and "Stand By Me" (based on a short story he wrote called "The Body") are two of the best movies that I've seen.

Twisticats: <starts twitching in horror> That's just sick.

Preacher: I hear that they're making a movie from the comic, and have already cast Robert Carlyle from "The Full Monty" as Cassidy.

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:45:30 AM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

KITAINA - I agree with you that the business about the all-female apocalyptic cult and the multi-headed dragon coming out of the Hellmouth was so fragmentary in last night's "Buffy" as to be positively confusing. I wish that they had explained that sub-plot a little better.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:37:35 AM
IP: 209.223.93.183

This pic should be Jon Castaway

*JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY*

(Large shadow blocks out the sun momentarily. Snow is blown away as Jewel*D spirals down for a landing. Argent slides down and pulls off helmet.)
"Good girl." (Holds out arm. Jewel*D shrinks back down to a more conveiniant size and jumps up onto her perch.
Argent spots what looks like the WW3 of snow battles going on in the back yard.)
"Alright! Let's go!" (Runs to the back yard, not noticing the explosion triggered in wake. Two mice climb out of the remains of a smoldering hunk of junk...)
*LATER!*

Gotta Jet!
(Eight more months 'till the new Dark Ages eps.)

Argent
Ohio, USA
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 07:02:39 AM
IP: dyn-202.belpre.frognet.net

Sorry about the 2x post
Animal Cruelty-I say try it on the humans who test it on the animals and see how they like it.
Jaden
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 03:04:37 AM
IP: pm1-5.sma.silcom.com

NO RP TONIGHT! 'cause I'm not really sure what's going on.

Sorry I've been away for so long, I've been sooooo busy with college that I have barely had a chance to sit infront of a computer (that was a real challenge). If I have missed anything important please let me know.

Anne Rice-great books, read most of them.

BASICS
Name-David Christensen
Location-Los Alamos, California (10 miles from nowhere)
Birthday- July 24, 1979
Look Like-about 5'11", Short dark brown hair
Mind-I'll give you guys a small version- I'm openminded and I have a great imagination. I'm always thinking about something, I have tried to keep my mind blank but I can only do that for a few seconds. I like to make theories about things that (currently) cannot be proven, I try them all down but since I can't write as fast as I think I forget some of them. There is more to my mind but I'm too tired to go on about it.
What type of clothes-I usually wear shorts and a T-shirt, even in the rain and cold weather. Sometimes I wear baggie jeans; I hate tight clothing.

FAVORITES
F-color-silver or grey
F-store-don't really have one
F-drink-milk or ice water
F-candle-the kind that doesn't go out when the wind blows.
F-animal-eagle or wolf
F-food-pizza...fruit I try to have a little variety

MUSIC
Favorite type-anything that gets your pulse moving and a good beat or something softer like Celtic Quest and Scottish Moors.
F-band-don't have one
F-lyric-"Waiting for the day when I can change the world." (oh what is that guys name, I can never remember) and "What if God was one of us..."Joan Osborne (you guys know the rest of the song)
Song that moves you-7th Child of the 7th Child (you should listen to this music)
Band I hate-don't got one
Song that makes me sick-I'd hate to think about that one

SEX
Virgin-no
Are you currently in love/been in love-I'm currently searching and yes I like to think I was in love.
Who is the one person you would rather spend more time with than anyone-A person I feel a connection with.
turn ons-not going there
turn offs-again not going there
What do you notice first about a person-facial expressions...I try to figure out what they are feeling
A relationship that makes you gag-The one that lasted about 45 minutes, seriously.

DRUGS
Do you do drugs-no tried once...never really thought much of it.
Do you drink-only a few times and again I don't see the point.
Have you ever drug so much you puked or passed out? No but once I drank 9 beers and some Captain Morgan, got a little buzzed and was able to ask for another beer in spanish.
Have you ever done something you regretted while under the influence- No

OTHER
people you admire-open minded people who aren't afraid of what they don't understand (you'd be surprised how very few there are).
Do you like to wear shoes-only when I have to.
Last kiss-feels like forever
Best feeling-love and contentment
Worst feeling in the world-hatred and emptiness
Do you believe in magic-yes
Do you believe in vampires-I wouldn't be surprised if met one. And I too have been called a vampire by a woman I worked with...just because I like working nights, my eyes don't really like a lot of sun, blood doesn't bother me, and I sleep better during the day. I'm sure she still thinks I'm one, some people.
Who do you hate-closed minded, prejudice people
What would you do to them-try to knock some sense into them.
How do you feel about religion-I believe that there is a higher power at work, if any one religion is absolutely right remains to be seen.
What is the weirdest thing about yourself-You want only one?
Ok how about this...I don't think I'm afraid of death I think of it as a reminder and almost like an adventure or quest. I have more oddites.
Are you the antichrist-I hope not.

Geez this took forever...'night everone!!!
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 03:02:44 AM
IP: pm1-5.sma.silcom.com

NO RP TONIGHT! 'cause I'm not really sure what's going on.

Sorry I've been away for so long, I've been sooooo busy with college that I have barely had a chance to sit infront of a computer (that was a real challenge). If I have missed anything important please let me know.

Anne Rice-great books, read most of them.

BASICS
Name-David Christensen
Location-Los Alamos, California (10 miles from nowhere)
Birthday- July 24, 1979
Look Like-about 5'11", Short dark brown hair
Mind-I'll give you guys a small version- I'm openminded and I have a great imagination. I'm always thinking about something, I have tried to keep my mind blank but I can only do that for a few seconds. I like to make theories about things that (currently) cannot be proven, I try them all down but since I can't write as fast as I think I forget some of them. There is more to my mind but I'm too tired to go on about it.
What type of clothes-I usually wear shorts and a T-shirt, even in the rain and cold weather. Sometimes I wear baggie jeans; I hate tight clothing.

FAVORITES
F-color-silver or grey
F-store-don't really have one
F-drink-milk or ice water
F-candle-the kind that doesn't go out when the wind blows.
F-animal-eagle or wolf
F-food-pizza...fruit I try to have a little variety

MUSIC
Favorite type-anything that gets your pulse moving and a good beat or something softer like Celtic Quest and Scottish Moors.
F-band-don't have one
F-lyric-"Waiting for the day when I can change the world." (oh what is that guys name, I can never remember) and "What if God was one of us..."Joan Osborne (you guys know the rest of the song)
Song that moves you-7th Child of the 7th Child (you should listen to this music)
Band I hate-don't got one
Song that makes me sick-I'd hate to think about that one

SEX
Virgin-no
Are you currently in love/been in love-I'm currently searching and yes I like to think I was in love.
Who is the one person you would rather spend more time with than anyone-A person I feel a connection with.
turn ons-not going there
turn offs-again not going there
What do you notice first about a person-facial expressions...I try to figure out what they are feeling
A relationship that makes you gag-The one that lasted about 45 minutes, seriously.

DRUGS
Do you do drugs-no tried once...never really thought much of it.
Do you drink-only a few times and again I don't see the point.
Have you ever drug so much you puked or passed out? No but once I drank 9 beers and some Captain Morgan, got a little buzzed and was able to ask for another beer in spanish.
Have you ever done something you regretted while under the influence- No

OTHER
people you admire-open minded people who aren't afraid of what they don't understand (you'd be surprised how very few there are).
Do you like to wear shoes-only when I have to.
Last kiss-feels like forever
Best feeling-love and contentment
Worst feeling in the world-hatred and emptiness
Do you believe in magic-yes
Do you believe in vampires-I wouldn't be surprised if met one. And I too have been called a vampire by a woman I worked with...just because I like working nights, my eyes don't really like a lot of sun, blood doesn't bother me, and I sleep better during the day. I'm sure she still thinks I'm one, some people.
Who do you hate-closed minded, prejudice people
What would you do to them-try to knock some sense into them.
How do you feel about religion-I believe that there is a higher power at work, if any one religion is absolutely right remains to be seen.
What is the weirdest thing about yourself-You want only one?
Ok how about this...I don't think I'm afraid of death I think of it as a reminder and almost like an adventure or quest. I have more oddites.
Are you the antichrist-I hope not.

Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 03:02:13 AM
IP: pm1-5.sma.silcom.com

**The light from the dimensional cusp has faded away as the man in the gray trench coat quickly moves out of the river. Kicking his ankles out, he sighs as he contemplates the moonlit walk back towards the Abbey in the chill air. Thankfully, the seal of his boots is holding well and water has not seeped in ... no worry of frost bite tonight. Still, half a mile in the woods in the cold winter's night was unplesant even in the snow ...

Those thoughts were perhaps distracting, but little could cover for the scream of the dark war eagle as it's master gave it the order to attack. Instinctually, the warrior-monk dashed three seconds forwards and then rolled sideways behind a tree ...

'They may Giaks with night-vision now ... may Hell feast on those Necromancer's bones for all eternity ...' he cursed as he drew out his sword and prepared for combat ... **

Well now,

First, did anyone happen to notice that Graeme was talking to Lucy (Pendragon) on the Armaddiloes chat? HE used the British, Ta Ta, and Lucy is really into that cartoon too. Just some food for thought :)

Genetics: Hey, glowing house plants would be cool. Just don't start severely mutating anything with a face ... I think that we should have to argue about making three-eyed cats etc. as a matter of taste ... don't mess very much with domesticated animals or wild ones either ... And be careful with the food supply as well, this hormones in cows thing has me slightly suspicious right now ...

Cruelty to animals: This is just mean. Hurting an animal for no good reason is just sadistic and could easily translate over to humans if a person became desensitized enough ... I think if anyone has those kind of impulses (like venting by hitting a child -or any innocent by-stander-) they should seek professional help.

Robby: Yeah, I enjoyed Suburban Commando as a kid (Terry 'Hulk' Hogan fan from childhood) I agree with the thing about the dog entirely. I don't see how people can keep pets and then treat them worse than meat-animals. -Sigh- it is a strange and cruel world we have made for ourselves ...

Thought for the day: We are all of one Blood, bound to one another by ties which transcend even the mind, bound to the Earth, and all its creatures, but especially to one another. When one of us bleeds, we all bleed. When one of us cries in pain, we all suffer. When one of us is lost, we are all diminished.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 02:37:17 AM
IP: 141.133.135.13

**RP WARNING**

The screen flashes back to the hotel, where the Blob, now grown to enormous proportions, is absorbing all the bullets, grenades, and other stuff the Ravens and Traveler are throwing at it. "We can't stop this thing!" Jammer shouts, backing up as he fires his MAG gamma assault rifle to no effect. "We can't kill it," Orion adds. "This thing is just a nonsentient life form fulfilling its biological functions. I could use a spell to send it back to the Paraelemental Plane of Ooze, where it belongs, and get rid it of that way. It would be easy, and humane." "Alright!" Kitainia nods, motioning to the others to form a chain of hands with her. "On my signal, do it!" She dashes up to the Blob, still holding on to the others' hands, and pushes her hand into its slippery amorphous mass. "Kenny! Grab on!!" The lawyer (who was consumed earlier in the battle) does so, and the Ravens quickly pull him out, then all fall down in a heap. Orion then casts his spell and the Blob disappears through a dimensional portal. "That guy ruined my suit!" Kenny laments, getting up and dripping slime all over the floor. The others also get to their feet and begin wiping it off themselves. "Let's get out of here," Kitainia says as Orion begins casting spells to heal their wounds. "Right after I post in the CR."

**PAUSE RP**

Hey everyone. School's going well. I got my first paper to do this weekend, so does Doug. Happy Happy Joy Joy. Guess we'll celebrate by going to a movie (She's All That, it sounds great but where did they get the title?) after we're through. Hope we get done soon, this is a 4-5 page double-space job and those used to take us full afternoons to do last semester. Dern college paper associated references and research!

Okay, other topics. **BUFFY SPOILERS BEGIN**

Tonight's "Buffy" was so-so. I liked all the character development they did on Xander, Doug has more plans for he and Faith's new relationship in his fic saga (yes, the Buffy universe will be crossed over with the Gargs one sometime this year). Giles was also as fully involved in things as ever, more than I expected after last week, that was a plus. The action was great, and the end confrontation with Xander and Jack definitely goes into my quote book. But the other part with the demons they were battling was kinda disjointedly brought in, and we never got to see the all-female apocalyptic cult mentioned in the episode's TV Guide synopsis. Also, what happened to the latent military skills I thought Xander retained after he put on that soldier suit in the Halloween episode and Ethan's curse temporarily made him a real soldier? I thought he still had those, which would mean he was a great tactician and fighter, not the always-gets-his-butt-kicked Jimmy Olsen type he was throughout most of the ep. Never thought I'd complain about Buffy having continuity problems, guess it happens to all shows sometime. Okay, these comments are over, on to replies.

**SPOILERS OVER, YOU CAN LOOK NOW!**

Mary: :) Great imagery. I too would like to see George's reaction to a cigar in his mouth.

Zath: Welcome back! I too am not sure what would happen if Goliath did such a thing to Demona as you describe. Except that a lot of fans, myself included, would be grossed out. $ Hope you liked what I did with the Blob, I was originally going to get a BFG and blow him into thousands of seperate slime globs, but this is a better solution. At least he's in Blob paradise now, and not dead. $

Frankenstein: $ This was the monster, not the doctor, and he was a mindless slave of the Masked Lich, not the guy who's with SJ, like Doug said. So he didn't have a heart, killing him was in self-defense, I'm sorry, yada yada yada. Dr. Frankenstein actually did more bad stuff than make the monster, FYI. After doing so, he got all ashamed of himself and tried to kill it. Creating a child and then attempting its murder, IMHO that is something that should not be condoned. $

Armadilloes: I've ran over these a few times on my bike. Every time it almost made me flip. Stupid little buggers, Speed Bumps is a very appropriate name. As for eating them, I've also done that. Not just at the resturant Doug mentioned, but also when I was on the road with the Angels all those years ago. We often hung out far from civilization, and had to kill and cook our own dinners. We mainly traveled through plains and deserts, so armadillo was on the menu a lot. Also buzzard (which tastes great grilled over an open fire, believe it or not), rattlesnake (also very good, it tastes exactly like chicken), and even mountain lion once. That last dish I prepared myself, using herbs and spices I was shown how to find in the desert, then stewing it over a campfire mixed with wild vegetables and kangaroo rat nuggets. It tasted great, too bad I can't buy cougar meat at the store and make it for Doug and my other friends in Austin. Armadillo also tasted okay, like grasshopper it's one of those foods you expect to be disgusting but actually turns out quite good. Just as long as you remember to take all the plating off first. <grin>

Genetics: Yeah, this is going to be a hot topic in the next few decades. I definitely would prefer adoption to cloning a kid, I agree that those children need homes and the world has quite a large enough population. I'm not sure about all the ethical ramifications genetic engineering has. I can only hope that when the debate over it does start, the people in power will be honorable and wise enough to pass the right laws policing it. But then, often the best way to get people to do something is to prohibit it by law, so laws may not be enough. Sigh...

I agree that molding kids to your liking is immoral. Not to mention a way of cheating yourself out of the many potentially great (and not-so-great) experiences and surprises raising a child can bring. Kinda stupid to predetermine a child's destiny, IMO. Children are supposed to develop into their own people, not whom their parents want them to be. If more parents would realize and understand that, we'd have such a better world.

Coyote: Oh yeah. Boy, do I hate having to pay high taxes. I mean, I support our government and all, but I wish they would fix all their inefficency and unnecessary bureaucracy problems so I could pay less. A lot less. Yes, I too hope we both get low tax amounts this year.

Kaioto: I completely agree with you about clerics. The ideals of good, equality, community, and freedom are what religion is supposed to be about, not holy wars, controlling people's lives, and hate-filled discrimination. Too bad only a few religious people I know (including Shap and the guy whom Orion is based on, both holy warrior characters in the RP) have realized that and accepted it. :( If TGS does have clerics in it, I hope they support your proposed religious ideals.

Robby: You weren't the only one with a complete set of Battle Beasts. I still have mine back at home. I was never the Barbie kind of kid. :) $ Sorry we haven't been visiting your party, as we said before the RP is keeping us much too busy right now. Maybe next time we can make it, although there isn't much chance. $

The Stand: Loved that book myself. Though the women in there could have been in some more action, it was the apocalypse after all and everyone knows how men need our help. They would then more than ever. Oh well.

New Austin Powers Movie: Haven't seen the previews for it yet myself. Hope it's as funny as the first one, and they bring back Scott.

Okay, that's all for now. Must sleep. Later.

**RP AGAIN**

"Okay," Kitainia says, thanking Orion for healing her wounds and everyone else's. "Let's get out of here now." She heads for the motel's main entrance. An amplified voice from outside shouts, "That's right! Come out here and take your medicine!!" Tricia looks out the window and sighs. "It's that guy from The Shining, and a lot more of the Masked Lich's mindless movie monster slaves. Looks like they're waiting for us." "Great," Kitainia says, checking her laser charge level. "Another battle. Let's go." The others reload their weapons and follow her out, as the screen goes blank. To be continued.

**END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, January 27, 1999 12:09:12 AM
IP: hil-c45-022-vty86.as.wcom.net

Bronx pic...

SJ- Actually I believe it was purple armor, but there were so many Battle Beast pallet swaps its impossible to tell... And thinking about it orange armor, they might have had TWO armadillos...

Austin Powers 2 preview- SJ, did you see the really EXCELLENT preview for it that I give really high accolades to? The one where they first make you think its a certain OTHER movie entirely?

"A long time ago... There was a legend for a generation..." (See a Death Star type place, camera is zooming in on a chair with a steady "hooovaah" coming from it...) "Now... The saga continues..." (Chair spins around, and we see Dr. Evil. "Expecting someone else?" Heh heh heh... GREAT stuff... And I saw that when I went to see Insurrection, so I had been EXPECTING a preview of the Star Wars previews...

British and Aussies doing perfect American accents- Its unfair... I'd love to do their accents, but even after tons of practice I ended up with something truly unique that has no origin, though everyone swears I'm doing a Ringo Star impression... Yet Lucy Lawless goes from a true accent to american with NO trouble! It's downright scary!

Cruelty to animals- The old rape punishments from a few weeks back? You know, those ARE fitting...
Robby
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:44:25 PM
IP: spider-wb034.proxy.aol.com

Sorry for the 2x post, but I forgot to put the
***WARNING: END RP******
bit up. Want to follow the rules!

Robby: Wait--did the Armadillo have on orangeish armor? I HAD HIM! I STILL GOT HIM BURIED IN A CLOSET SOMEWHERE! Whoa, do I need to get a life!
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:33:32 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

WILEK> ["Evil is easy, and takes infinite forms."] Knowing your penchant for alternate reality ST novels, I'm not surprised you know of that quote. :-) And my pic works. I just don't always use it (in short posts for example).

Testing of plus signs: n o p e , n o n e h e r e .

CRUELTY TO ANIMALS> Refer to the archives for suggested rape punishments. >;-)
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:29:03 PM
IP: ppp208.connect.ab.ca

RP at the end this time.

The Stand: I've never read this, mainly because it's over 1,000 freakin' pages long, and would take up considerable chunks of my life to complete (I used to be able to read all the time. Nowadays, with my crazy life, if I finish a 300 page book in two weeks it's an accomplishment). Maybe it's a great book. All I know is, the miniseries sucked to high heaven. But then again, don't all Stephen King movies suck? At least I think so. The Shining was probably the best, but even that wasn't as spooky as the book. Most of his films are just tv-filler crap. However, I hear that "The Green Mile" is gonna be big budget, starring my LEAST favorite actor Tom Hanks......but then again, "Shawshank Redemption" was a good flick.....

Genetics: We got a pretty good little conversation going on here! Personally, on the thought of women having litters: that's why I called them mutants. I know, they don't exactly fit the description, but if you're droppin' out half a dozen kids at a time, you ain't exactly normal in ol' SJ's book.
I saw something disturbing today on the "Leeza Gibbons" show (why I was watching that program in the first place is a sad story anyway....hey, it was either that or "In the Heat of the Night" reruns). It was about this women who has specially bred a new breed of cat--Twisticats.
I kid you not. That's the name. These cats lack a bone in their forelegs, so instead of the regular long legs, the forelegs are short, kinda like a tyrannosaurus. I don't know, maybe people find them cute (the audience didn't) but personally, I was totally horrified. As the kids from South Park might say, "Dude, this is totally f@#$ed up right here!"

Genetics, again: Let me recommend an author for you guys. His name's Ben Mezrich, and a couple of years ago he wrote a book called "Threshold." It's about the whole mad scientist genengineer thing. Pretty good, with lot's of technobabble for you science geeks (any authors wanting to know more about genetic engineers for possible fic resource, this book can help a little).

Wilek: Alright, alright! I'm doing the RP now! Sheesh!

Speaking of Dogs..... I love dogs. They go great on a bagel.

Speed Bump the Armadillo: That's a pretty good one! I like that almost as much as "Robin: The Boy Target" from Batman...

Doug: Hey, "My Own Prison" is my favorite Creed song!
Oh, and next time you're in New York, give Alex a call. Never know when a vampire relative might come in handy! Lord knows enough of mine have been called bloodsuckers....;)

Austin Powers: I just saw the preview for the sequel. I laughed my @$$ off! Dr. Evil may be my favorite all-time movie villain.

Aussies: I've always found it extremly confusing, that most Australians, and even British folk, can do American accents perfectly. Perfectly! Look at Xena! But when us Americans try to sound British or Australian, we sound like freakin' morons. Someone explain this to me!!!!!

Jewel: Yes, I've read some of the Preacher comic. I'm a big fan of the series, even though I may risk eternal damnation by saying that....

***WARNING: BEGIN RP*****
Wilek turns to Sevarius Jr. "It's all up to you, SJ. What do we do? Do we eliminate your clone and your father?"
SJ grimaces. He looks uncomfortable at the floor.
"I....I can't do that. First off, I could never harm my dad, no matter what he's done....but I can't kill my clone. That's like suicide! No matter what's happened to him, he's still me! He's a part of me! It'd be like killing myself."
Wilek nods in understanding. "Okay, okay. But what do we do with them then?"
SJ sighs. "I...I guess we'd better stick them in a holding cell. I'll examine SJ 2 to see what I can do for him. And maybe I can talk some sense into my dad."

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:27:27 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Checking the Brianna pic... I'm fairly sure this one still works, but gotta check 'em all...

James- I _AM_ of TGS staff. **Smiles wickedly** Just not doing much yet, and I haven't been voted into the art team yet... In theory anything I bring up has at least some weight... Including a recomendation for a Luoch picture...

Zath- No, you weren't REALLY missed, we're just saying that. 8p

Giant pigeon mutates? ick... There's a frightening thought...

Armadillos- Heh heh... I have an Armadillo action figure... From an old series of toys about one inch tall called "Battle Beasts"... Anyone remember these things? There were hundreds of them, and I used to have a complete set!

Dogs being locked in a car for months- Cruelty in its worst form. I gotta referance Suburban Commando again and root for what Hulk Hogan did. Upon seeing a dog trapped in a car while his master ate inside a nice air conditioned resteraunt, he took steps to switch the two... A much deserved fate I think... The same should be done to all who do such things to animals... (I can't even begin to understand why people drown whole litters...)

Did anybody hear about the elephant who fell into a large hole, and was then kept from her mate by an electric wire? Geez man, thats a cruel zoo...

The phrase "Penny for your thoughts"- I don't know, I've always thought mine were worth more... At least a nickel!

** JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY ** (COme on people, visit! So far there's like... Nobody from the CR here... A party is kinda dull without guests...)

While Demona and Davy of the Monkees are off being mushy, Pinky and the Brain are attempting some lame brained plot that will no doubt backfire, and Jim Iza Noying is having a snowball fight with himself, not much else is happening... Yet... When suddenly, a noise can be heard, like a thundering in the distance.
"What is it?"
"I don't know. It sounds like a thousand..." Jim Noying pauses, not wanting to say it... But from down the street, 1,000 armadillos are running towards his partially rebuilt mansion, followed behind by 1,000 lemmings,1,000 kangaroos, 1,000 racoons, and about twenty flying dolphins. "Cool!" Unfortunatley, while most of the critters are smart enough to make the turn and stop at Jim's estate, the Lemmings keep running, right into the cliffs that are Fiesta Texas, and suddenly, a thousand lemmings die a pointless death... It is at about this point the rest of the gargoyles glide in, followed shortly by the Ninja Turtles. Brooklyn is quick to keep the two groups seperate, not wanting Raphael and Brooklyn to start another Rob Paulsen/Jeff Bennet voice war... To his shock, the two spot each other, exchange a glance, and charge at each other yelling. "Oh no..." Jim comments, fearing the worst. Just short of attacking each other though, the two stop running, come to a complete stop, and shake hands. "Buddy, good to see ya!"

** END JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY **
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:25:43 PM
IP: spider-wb034.proxy.aol.com

**RP PAUSED PENDING SJ'S DECISION RE SJ2**

O'connor pic. Reminds me of Miriam for some reason. (I'm not too qualified to participate in the whole pic analysis thing since I always use the text-only room. Faster loading.)

The way I see it, altering sentient beings without informed consent--creating designer children, etc--is just sick. (Are you listening, SJ's dad?) But I love the bioluminescent houseplant idea. They're already introducing bioluminescence genes into a strain of tobacco plant for some reason (using firefly genes I think), but the light can only be seen through night vision goggles. :/

Deuce> Your pic doesn't work.

Doug> <<people eat armadilloes around here sometimes>> EWWWWWWWWW!

Zath> So THAT's where the Cthulhu beany baby got off to! Thanks! Doesn't it look an awful lot like the Star Wars Max Rebo beany baby? <<How can something so cute be so evil?>> Evil is easy, and takes infinite forms.

$For those of us who care, click my name for a pic of the Dark Jedi Jerec from the RP.$

Coyote> <<a Shar-Pei mix that had been locked in a car for (literally) *months.*>> What?! Oh, the poor thing! I like dogs--a friend of mine has an adorable little Shih Tzu and a cocker spaniel--and I think whoever locked up that little dog should be thrown into...I don't know, something painful.
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:15:26 PM
IP: tnt-2-134-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Well Robby thanks in any case. But for those that ARE of TGS staff are you getting my e-mails. I been sent ideas for episodes everyday by the Comments page where one can e-mail all of TGS staff with one typing, which is of course what've done for the past week. Hope you got em.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:07:29 PM
IP: dt043n06.san.rr.com

ARGENT> ["I've done a complete personality overhaul in the last three years."] Got you beat. Try in three MONTHS. More or less. ;-)

Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, AB, CA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:06:14 PM
IP: ppp208.connect.ab.ca

No RP tonight ... a little drained from a ten hour work day and last night's satisfying killing ...

kathy: You should've seen the news reports here from last night ... Humane Society workers found a Shar-Pei mix that had been locked in a car for (literally) *months.* They were surprised the poor thing was even alive. God, the cruelty some people will show to animals ... *sniff*

exin/anubis: Hmm ... someone with the same name signed the Time Capsule this month. Are you the same person?

Oh wait ... I am getting a bit creative here ...

**RP!!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal ... Coyote and Ravyn, coming back up the passageway they went down to hunt down Preston. All around them, Borg lay unconscious, cut off from the center of their continuum. Coyote and Ravyn walk in silence.**

<"Penny for your thoughts?">

*sighs* I dunno ... it just feels like ... a weight, lifted off of me. I mean, he was the biggest demon I've ever had in my life. And now he's gone.

<*nods* "Well, after hearing about what he did to you so long ago ... it's understandable.">

True.

**They stop in the middle of the passage.**

Rav ... I just want to say thank you. Thanks for coming along ... backing me up ... bringing me back to my senses ...
<*chuckles* "Anytime.">

**The conversation dies down. Coyote finally hugs Ravyn as the screen winks off.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 10:10:00 PM
IP: modem16.i-is.com

This pic should be Broadway (skipped Brianna, Brooklyn, and Bronx since it's a safe bet they're still working)

SURVEY *DON"T WORRY, IT"S EDITED!*
BASICS
Name: Colleen Tappel
Location: As far as you know, somewhere in Ohio
Birthdate: classified
What do you look like?: it varies
What's your mind like?: A wealth of information on random subjects
What kind of clothes do you wear?: jeans and T-shirts mostly

FAVORITES
Color: blue
Store: Mother O'Reiley's, a cool little book store in town
Drink: hot chocolate and Dr. Pepper
Candle/ Incense smell: vanilla
Animal: Dragons
Food: Custard- filled doughnuts and cheese danish

MUSIC:
Fave type: Soft rock and Broadway hits
Fave band: Whatever sounds good
Best Lyric/ Quote from a song:
"It's all in your hands. Hold on, hold back the darkness.
Gotta take a stand.
It's all in your hands."- Animorphs theme song
What song moves you more then any other?: Can't name 'em all, but:
"The Last Unicorn"- Kenny Loggins
"Phantom of the Opera"
"Turn the World Around"
"He Lives in You"
What band do you hate?: CHUMBAWUMBA!!!!!!!!!
What song makes you sick?: Tubthumper
What music trend do you think should die?: Bad country
What music trend do you think will be big?: No clue
What new band would you recommend?: see above

RELATIONSHIPS, DRUGS, LAST QUESTION IN 'OTHER': Not goin' there.

OTHER
Who do you admire the most?: I admire different people for different reasons (Again, too many to name!)
Do you like to wear shoes?: This sounds like a trick question.
When was the last time you kissed someone?: Good question
What's the best feeling in the world?: Accomplishing something after working harder for it then anything in your life.
Worst?: Failing to accomplish what you've worked for
Do you you believe in magic?: Definitely!
Do you believe in vampires?: *Pulls wooden stake out of pocket* No, but it never hurts to be careful
What's the oddest thing about you?: I've done a complete personality overhaul in the last three years.
Who do you hate?: I STRONGLY DISLIKE Albert Bell and Art Modell (traitors and sell-outs, both of them!!!!!!)
What would you do to them?: Have the Cleveland Indians whip Belles new team in the baseball playoffs, and the new Cleveland Browns destroy Modell's precious Raven's for the American Football Conference title.
How do you feel about religon?: Ummmm......

Gotta Jet! (Phew, this is long!)
(Eight months 'till the new Dark Ages eps.)
Argent
Ohio, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 09:23:49 PM
IP: dyn-222.belpre.frognet.net

Genetics again> Bioluminescent houseplants? Cool beans. <G> I've read some excellent stories about a geneticist who created a variety of cat which remained in the "kitten" stage of development for several years instead of just a few months. The series was in Analog -- great stuff.

I hope that someday we will be able to use genetic engineering to end our solitude. As a species, that is. We are the only people on earth. We are alone -- there is no other species we can talk with, share our joys and sorrows with.

Wouldn't it be wonderful to raise some of the other species to our level? To create more people, non-human people. I wonder what an elephant with human-level intelligence would think about Shakespeare. Would a sapient komodo dragon be any good at physics? To finally have someone to listen to besides ourselves -- that would be bliss.
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria Tuesday, January 26, 1999 09:21:09 PM
IP: cdss1.colorado.edu

Just trying this whole plus/percent sign thing; there should be a row of them on the next line.

Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 09:01:26 PM
IP: tnt-2-134-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

*waves*

Don't have time for a real post, but I just wanted to say that I really liked the ep. Great job TGSers!

Serenity
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 08:18:35 PM
IP: spider-tl061.proxy.aol.com

**Zath dances into the room.**
"You missed me! You really missed me!" *wipes a tear from my eye* "You guys are the greatest." : )

Okay, time to catch up with the room...

Wilek> No, I wasn't eaten, but not for lack of trying on Kitty's RL counterpart's part. (How can something so cute be so evil? Click on my name and it'll take you to the page selling that plush cthulhu doll. Their sales pitch sounds like it was written with my cat in mind.) The real reason for my absence is that I've been extremely busy lately, so I might pop in here a couple of times a week, but probably not much more than that for a while.

**SPOILERS? WARNING**
George/Hope> I don't really know if this is a spoiler or not, seeing as how I haven't even read the story yet (only up to Nocturne so far) so I'm just responding to what people have said about the story. Maybe I missed a point somewhere, but why is everyone so worried about George doing something to Hope? It's not like he'd have to put the kid in a blender or anything. If it's possible to clone an entire gargoyle from nothing more than a tiny robotic mosquito's worth of stolen blood, certainly George can get all the DNA he needs from some hair, a toenail clipping (anyone recognize "I Arthur."), or a small blood sample.
**END SPOILERS**

jewel> <<if all our children are Mozarts, where's the specialness?>> when one turns out to be a Bach or a Beethoven instead, of course ; )

Genetics> I guess I'll throw in my $0.02 here. I believe that there isn't anything that mankind was not meant to know. However, before anyone gets on my case, let me add that some things should be known before others to keep people from doing something morally wrong, stupid, or both. As far as non-human genetic manipulation goes, I always thought it would be fun to create bioluminescent house plants. Just think, a night light that uses absolutely no electricity, and it actually fights the greenhouse effect, all while making a nice conversation piece!

Movie Monsters in the RP> Please don't kill the Blob. It's the only thing that made my old home-town famous.

Armadillos> I seem to recall some nature show claiming that something like 1/3 or 1/4 of the armadillo population is run over every year, but their numbers show no sign whatsoever of declining, so Speed Bump is a perfectly fitting name. My dad jokes that some day, through natural selection, skunks will be able to run 60mph. If the same thing happens down here, armadillos will be able to go 90. (Just for the record, I'm not anti-'dillo or anything like that. I'm actually wearing a shirt with armadillos on it right now, and, no, they aren't dead.)

And last but not least, a small creativity deamon to share with you all before I go (I don't think I've seen anyone do this one before, but please tell me if I'm wrong)... Sevarius (Sr.) creates something actually capable of striking terror in the hearts of gargoyles, an army of giant pigeon mutates!

And with that, I leave you. Bye all.
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 07:37:04 PM
IP: ns8-05.viptx.net

Okay, this pic should be Asrial...

James- Officially I'm not a member of the TGS art staff yet, and may not become one, I have to be voted in first... But I'll see about doing a Luoch pic for ya all the same... Getting it into the image archive is another matter entirely...

Doug- You've eaten armadillo? Now THAT is sick...

The Stand- Actually, Flagg isn't just in that book... If you read the Dark Tower series, (Still not finished blast it!) Flagg actually has a role in a LOT of King's works...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 06:31:14 PM
IP: spider-wb013.proxy.aol.com

I just started Requim. Well I took the link and read all of two (screams frustrated) I'd hate to have been in Owen's place seeing the weird sisters mocking him with thier resemblance. (shakes heads) How dare they. (screams again) Knowing that Own couldn't even act like Puck and comment on it. OOHHH The very nerve!
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 06:21:27 PM
IP: dt043n06.san.rr.com

Well Robby I promised to keep you informed and so I am. I just finished Midnight Showdown. Very interesting.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 05:13:44 PM
IP: dt043n06.san.rr.com

**Kyryn walks in a huge doorway, followed by huge (100ft tall) mecha. She looks around and sees Mr. Dis Connect. "There he is! Get him!" The mecha looks at Dis and says "DEATH!". It then blasts Dis into little component atoms. The mecha turns and leaves the CR. Kyryn turns to the rest of the room**

I had to do that. Dis Connect managed to screw up the entire campus server this morning and leave everyone offline for 3 hours.

The mecha's name is Wolf-1, and it's from a little known, short lived comic called Dynamo Joe.

Jewel> Actually there are a couple of cases of naturally occuring quads. There was only one case of naturally occuring quintuplets. But, yes, I quite agree. The human body is not designed to bear litters. Also, the main reason that we are seeing a lot about this now, is that the technology has advanced sufficiently to give all these preemies (most triplets, etc. are) a chance to live. Personally, I think that the drug companies need to do a lot more research about these fertility drugs before they are allowed on the market. Anybody ever hear of Thalidomide? Sometimes side effects are unforseen, but I think more research needs to be done, and I agree with others that there are a lot of kids out there who need some love and care already.

Deuce> Normally, I'm a sweet librarian type and I usually hold my tongue at work (although I've come up with some creative alternatives: fid and arglesnarf being two of them). However, when I'm at home or alone, working on the machines, I've got a blue streak a mile wide. I guess it comes from helping my brothers fix cars when we were growing up.

Zath> Good to see you back. I was wondering where you went.

**Kyryn waves to everyone and leaves**
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 04:57:55 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Ed> My maths agree with yours. Oh, well. The "o" in Mom sounds just like the word "awe." And you're not the only one -- I know several U.K.ers on my campus, and at least three of them have commented on exactly that. <G>

Doug> Glad you like it.

Jewel> Quite right. Adoption is an even better option than fertility treatments. If you call up an adoption agency and tell them you want a five year old Latino, I can guarantee that they'll leap through the phone and hug you ecstatically. It is shameful that people are so specific about what kind of child they want to adopt -- a child is a child, regardless of physical characteristics, and therefore deserving of a loving family and a good home.

Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria Tuesday, January 26, 1999 04:44:35 PM
IP: ecme107pc90.colorado.edu

Er, "atalanta.jpg". Hehe/
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 04:25:47 PM
IP: ppp147.connect.ab.ca

ED> Atalanta's pic doesn't work, because the source refers to it as "atalanta" instead of "atalanta.gif", the file's actual name. (Something to look into, DumlaoX!)
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 04:24:56 PM
IP: ppp147.connect.ab.ca

Spike: Yeah, I cottoned onto that, and there isn�t any particularly logical reason why it irks me so, it just does. I think part of it is that I have quite a difficulty imagining in my mind such a conversation. When I first realised that the US variation of �mum� was �mom� I took a fair bit of time working it out (this will probably sound really strange to all of you, but it�s true). In �mum� it�s quite a short sound. If you say �mom� in this same short way it sounds quite odd. Judging from American TV, it would seem that you have a strange accentuation of this and I personally find this quite hard to imitate even in my mind. Hence I have that sort of annoyance.

Selanit: That�s 2.30 in my morning if my Maths is right, so you can bet I won�t be there.

Todd: *laughs* I never actually thought about the irony of an armadillo called Speed Bump, so thanks for pointing it out! As for sections that appear to borrow names from Tolkien, they do leap off the page a bit :)

(Seen Asrail of late... does "Atalanta" (is that spelt correctly?) work?)
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 03:42:18 PM
IP: p30-cuckoo-gui.tch.virgin.net

$ I meant *why* are we stopping, not where! Damn typos!! $
Doug
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 03:34:59 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zol-vty88.as.wcom.net

**RP STUFF**

The screen comes on with Thailog and his main subordinates grouped around the meeting table. "Our Death Star is under attack and has been heavily damaged," Jerec is saying. "Admiral Lagor and his fleet of ten Super Star Destroyers are only just about to return to the battle, perhaps they can turn the tide. Nipon's forces are not doing a good job of that." "I hope he turns things around," Thailog says. "If the Dark Star's forces should win, have Serpent and his team infiltrate the station as soon as it arrives back in our system. We'll want to get them while they're down." "More bad news," Zale says. "Captain Preston's vital signs are down, he's dead. I guess this means we'll soon lose our base in the Baja." "And your spy didn't even report that the Ravens were going there!" Thailog rants at Bucharev. "Maybe he didn't know about it," shrugs the old Russian mobster. "At least he was able to lead us to their current location. The Masked Lich and his summoned slave horror movie monsters are eliminating the Ravens even as we speak." "They had better suceed," Thailog says, turning to Asil. "Now, about the attack on NORAD,..."

The screen switches to Doug and those with him, heading for the factory. Doug turns from the Onslaught's passenger seat (Shap is driving) to face the CR.

**END RP 1ST HALF**

Zath: Welcome back. Boy, do you present a grisly scenario there. Hope we never see it in fics.

Frankenstein Issue: Kitainia sends her apologies about this. She wanted to give the Masked Lich a whole bunch of slave monsters to call out of the movies to battle her team, and had forgotten what this room thinks of Frankenstein. Let's just say that this Frankenstein was not the one who's with SJ, he was the pure bad monster guy and no more. Just a goon for the ML. Yes, I know, the real Frankenstein's Monster (this was the monster, not the doctor) wasn't like that, but it's too late to go back and change it now, we're sorry. $ BTW, if Traveler wants to do anything with the Blob (ML's one remaining summoned monster goon, for now), he better do it before Kitainia's next post, when it will be eliminated. $

Armadilloes: I like them myself, especially with cloves, cinnamon, and ketchup. Yes, believe it or not, people eat armadilloes around here sometimes. There's even a resturant, I forget the name, that serves them on its menu. They taste quite good, suprisingly. The above spices are optional, but they enhance the flavor. You can get them fried, baked, roasted, broiled, boiled, or stewed. Yum! :)

Kaioto: Completely agree with your last post to me, thanks for the response. I too believe faith and its associated benefits must come from within our spirits, not any external force. And I too would like to see a little passive magic in TGS, maybe we'll get some in an upcoming episode.

SJ: Leather belt, huh? I also have one of those. :) About Creed, the only song I've heard of theirs is "My Own Prison," and that's what I based my opinion on. Now that I know more about the band and its philosophy, I think that I may have been wrong about them. Thanks for all the clarification. Thanks also for mentioning my cousin Alex Elder, the vampire. (Not really my cousin, but I like the comic Crimson so much I like to think of him in that way. :)

Selanit: Thanks for all the great genetics info. I agree with it completely. I also enjoyed the discussion, thanks for starting it off.

Hope: Yep, that name's showing up in lots of places. But so far I have no plans for a character with that name in my own fic universe. So it's not appearing everywhere.

The Stand: I read that. One of my favorite books. Flagg was one of Stephen King's three greatest villains (the other two being Rainbird and Leland Gaunt). He helped inspire Jadriel, a new villain in my fic saga we may see in the next tale. Kitainia's pet name for me also comes from that book- she says I remind her of the hero, Redman. (But of course she did once add that if I ever start calling her Frannie, she'll kick my @$$, she hates that name.) Good story, and yes, the plague decipted in there could very well happen. Big Oops.

Small Survey Correction: Talking Heads sings "Once in a Lifetime," and I like the whole song a lot, even if what I put before was my favorite part of it. Just clarifying that point.

Okay, that's all for now. Later.

**RP AGAIN**

"Hey, where are we stopping?" Doug asks as Shap suddenly starts slowing the truck down. Shap points to a line of military trucks and tanks blocking the road ahead. "Hmm," Doug says, looking at them through his binoculars. "Fort Carson. Wait a second, why are their guns pointing directly at _us_?" "Guten Tag, Ravens!!" comes the gleeful voice of Hans Grosse over a megaphone, and a large shell from the lead tank whizzes past the truck. "Doug!" comes Lathrop's voice from the back. "My wizard eye says those aren't US military, they're those Wolfenstein Nazis who raided the CR trying to kill you last year." "Yeah, I kinda guessed that," Doug sighs. "Wonder how they found us. Shap, I'm taking the wheel." His friend scoots over and they trade places. Doug begins driving toward the barricade, dodging shells and fleeing scared Colorado Springs citizens, as the screen goes black. To be continued next time.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 03:33:47 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zol-vty88.as.wcom.net

Yeah thanks Robby. I just hope it doesn't seem too odd since the dates are off on when certain things happened. (shrugs) Anyways nice to see you here as well Kaito. Next Kathy or the guy who did the King Arthur pic, do either of you or anyone on TGS staff wanna do a Luoch pic for me? I don't even beg to use it as my offical image on this comment board though that would be nice. I just wanna see it done. I will not be insulted if I am turned down though. Just an idea.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 03:31:19 PM
IP: dt043n06.san.rr.com

Found another glitch in the CR! You can't display a plus sign. See? (If there are three plus signs here, I'll feel stupid). Anyway, the line should say (plus-150 IQ). Thank you.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 02:14:46 PM
IP: ppp0142.connect.ab.ca

I'm BAAAACCK!! *screams from assorted people* Sorry I've been gone for a while; busy life. Some replies, most brief.

"WtBB" KICKED BUTT! TREMENDOUSLY! Quinn is the kind of girl I wish I could meet. George... well, I don't like him much, but he's not that bad.

ARGENT> Congrats on the green belt! That's about as far as I got in karate before I quit; getting my ass kicked twice a week isn't my idea of a good time.

KYRYN> ["...walks in carrying a sledgehammer..."] Hehehe... sounds like me. Honestly, while I'm home alone coding, it sounds like a Tarantino movie, usually involving disgusting verbs and body parts. I can't program when my parents are around.

I noticed last week we were talking about the lovely Britany Spears. One comment on that: wow (said with extreme contortions of face and voice).

Also, the fourth survey like this I've completed in two weeks. Don't worry, it's edited. Sheesh:

BASICS
Name?: Simon "Deuce" Crowley
Location?: Edmonton, AB
Birthdate?: June 25, 1984
What do you look like?: Click my name for a picture. Brown hair (shorter than the pic) and blue-green-grey variable eyes. 5'10", 140 lbs or so.
What is your mind like? Scary. Mature, too smart for my own good ( 150 IQ), hyper, "different", rebellious. Sensitive, musical, and vicious when I'm mad. Romantic to a fault.
What kind of clothes do you wear?: Loose, comfortable, not neccessarily "cool".

FAVORITES
Fave color?: Navy blue, the red I use to post, black.
Fave store?: A&B Sound (local stereo outlet).
Fave drink? (non-alkie): Milk. Or cola.
Fave candle/incense smell?: Cinnamon.
Fave animal?: Any type of cat, esp. wild. Or anything small and furry.
Fave food?: Pizza.

MUSIC
Fave type?: Everything, with some exceptions. (R&B, hardcore rap, most techno, most country).
Fave band?: Tonic , The Goo Goo Dolls, and Trip Cyclone. :) Really.
What is the best lyric/quote from a song?: Too many to list.
What song moves you more than any other?: "Soldier's Daughter" by Tonic and "The Change" by Garth Brooks.
What band do you hate?: Harylin Hanson. :-)
What songs make you sick?: Spice Girls anything.
What music trend do you think should die?: R&B.
What music trend do you think will be big soon?: Je ne sais pas.
What new band would you recommend to others?: New? Umm, how about the New Radicals.
If you could meet any artist who would it be?: Emerson Hart (Tonic).
What song makes you want to dance?: "Smells Like Teen Sprirt" by Nirvana.
What song/type of music makes you want to kill people?: Most of the stuff they play on the local "Power 92".

SEX AND RELATIONSHIPS (EDITED SO NOBODY JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT ;-)
Are you a virgin?: Yes, until I'm married.
Are you in love, or have you ever been?: At the moment, no. Before, yes. Because of the before, maybe never again.
Who is the one person you would rather spend more time with than anyone?: Nobody I know.
Have you ever been in a relationship, and when you think back it makes you want to gag?: Twice. No, three times. Yikes.
What is your fave part of the opposite/same sex?: Eyes, hair, body.
What do you notice first about a person?: Face.
What turns you on?: You really don't want to know.
What turns you off?: Girls who smoke. I have nothing against smokers, and have many friends/family who smoke, but if I like a girl and see her smoke, that goes 180� out the window.
Who/what do you fantasize about?: Girls.

DRUGS AND ALCOHOL
Do you do drugs?: No... except Halls cough drops, which I am currently trying to break my addiction to.
Is there any drug you refuse to do?: Some: acid, 'shrooms, glue....
Do you smoke cigarettes?: Never.
Do you drink?: Almost never.
What is your fave alcoholic drink?: White wine.
Have you ever been so drunk you puked or passed out?: No.
Have you ever done anything that you regretted while under the influence?: No.

OTHER
Who do you admire the most?: Nobody.
Do you like to wear shoes?: No.
When was the last time you kissed someone?: Long ago.
What is the best feeling in the world?: Being in love.
What is the worst feeling in the world?: Having flaming bamboo shoved under your toenails.
Do you believe in magic?: Not really.
Do you believe in vampires?: Not really.
What is the oddest thing about you?: I can wear mismatched socks (black/white) and noone notices. (Also that I always want to spell "no one" as one word).
Who do you hate?: Too many people to list.
If you could do anything to this person, what would you do?(details please): Kill most of 'em. Everyone else I'd settle for torture.
How do you feel about religion?: No comment.
Are you (the or an) antichrist?: I'm many things, but that's not one of them.

Remember, click my name for a picture. One time deal only.

** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
City of Champions, Alberta, Canada
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 02:13:24 PM
IP: ppp0142.connect.ab.ca

Genetics: Anyone read "The Stand"? Something like that could very easily happen--scientists design the perfect killing disease but don't have a vaccine for it. Ooops.

The thought of genetically engineering children is truly terrifying. But there's another aspect: if all our children are Mozarts, where's the specialness? Where's the spark of genius to inspire, if everyone is a genius?

Women having litters: The human body was designed to bear *one* child at a time, at the most three (although there is one documented case of naturally occurring identical quadruplets). But then, I have issues with reproductive technologies anyway. If you can't get pregnant without in vetro or pills, there's probably a *reason*, biologically, for it. Let natural selection do it's work. And if you want kids, for God's sake, there are so many children out there who are badly in need of homes and adoption. But people want perfect little White babies. It makes me ill. We had foster kids in my house when I was little, and I kept seeing all these children who were *badly* in need of good homes.

SJ: Ever read "Preacher" from Vertigo?
jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 01:22:25 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Mr exin, what the hell are you doing?

Hope> You know this starts becoming a quite commonly used name. We have a Hope in Xena, we have a Hope in Jewel Faulkner's stories, now we have a Hope in TGS...

Jackal> Sure. No problem.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 07:02:04 AM
IP: athe530-e064.otenet.gr

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Tuesday, January 26, 1999 06:48:30 AM
IP: khof-proxy.metronet.de

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exin
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 06:44:15 AM
IP: khof-proxy.metronet.de

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exin/anubis - [exin@gmx.de]
leipzig, saxonia, germany
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 06:40:32 AM
IP: khof-proxy.metronet.de

I'll help with the pics. This one's supposed to be King Arthur

JILL> Last to wish it, but happy belated birthday!
ROBBY> Thanks for the Pokemon song! ***Pokemon comment*** So Mewtwo's your favorite? My personnal is Dratini and it's evolutions.
SELANIT> We don't necessarily hate Mr. DC, we hate our computers/ the internet/ our internet servers/ etc.

(Jewel*D pokes head in after long absense. Argent sighs and looks around. Notices CR psychiatrist.)
Oh, is THAT what you're scared of?
(Jewl*D nods emphathetically.)
Well, don't worry. You know what happened to the last one who tried to convince me you weren't real...

Gotta Jet!
(Eight months 'till the new Dark Ages eps.!)
Argent
Ohio, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 06:32:25 AM
IP: dyn-220.belpre.frognet.net

Another insomnia night... This pics supposed to be Ariana...
Robby
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 04:34:57 AM
IP: spider-th012.proxy.aol.com

** The brown-haired forester enters his study and hangs his green cloak on the rack next to a heavy gray trench coat. He takes off his harness and hooks it and the sheath dangling from it over the last peg of the rack. He turns and attempts to find the best angle to use the candle-light to write by as he aproaches his desk. Soon, quill in hand, he begins ... **

Wilek Nereus: Hey, being what you are not is harder than yo think. My clothes didn't fit as a garg and I wrecked some of my favorite furniture ... The worst part is being unable to wake from a nightmare ... though that is my human mentality having problems with the garg bio.

Kitainia, Sevarius Jr: Thanks for the support :) Maybe we should start a petition or something ... :) Or at least mass mail the scripts from Kung-Fu to the TGS staff :) (Joking) I think people sometimes heavily stereo-type clerics. I am a religious person, but not a dogmatist. I'd like to think of clerics that would be pursuing a union of the good parts of humanity and spirituality, a meta-religion as it were. I think the ideals of good, equality, community, and freedom should supercede all differences in dogma between religions of good intent in this world, but that is just my own little dream. Life is tough like that in a world where we can kill in a 'holy war' because people don't understand the point of religion or spirituality.

Selanit: Good to here you again!

Genetics: Ah what a tangled web we weave ... I think that we should try to pay attention to the ethics. What kind of hanicaps can we justify eliminating? (This reminds me of that StarTrek DS9 episode about Bashir being geneticly enginered, 'Jules died on that operating table ...') One man's deficiency is the uniqueness of another. I think we should procede with extreme moral and ethical caution. Anyone rember Gatica? 'How perfect do you want your child?' I think that custom kids is a piss poor idea ... and don't even THINK about tampering with brain development or I see violence that would make abortion clinic rioting look civil ... (That isn't a crude joke, but a realistic emphasis)

James: Fancy meeting you here :)

**Spoilers**
Minions: It is nice to see that not everybody is just a flat juvenile delinquent on a power trip or some faceless evil guys ...

George and Richard: Amazing character work throughout TGS! I think it is well done, though Richard could use a quirk or two to him (everybody's got'em)

How come no one ever listens to music in the entire city accept for Broadway and Angela since Brooklyn picked up that Smashing Punpkin's CD in 'Equality'? Just a thought.

**END SPOILERS**
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 01:47:36 AM
IP: 141.133.135.13

James- Interesting RP bit...

Now to do something useful before I head off to bed and check the next pic... Archmage is broken, and this one is Argus...
Robby
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 12:50:40 AM
IP: spider-we011.proxy.aol.com

Oh so I have you to thank for writing Devil's deal. Well ah thank you very much for a great reading Kathy (bows).

Begin RP: It is MacBeth's office at school again. A man walks in
Man> LennexMacDuff sir, my associates wonder where your friend Proffesor Jones has gone off to. Can you tell us?
MacBeth> (notices dot in circle in triange on the man's cuffling) Well I would think your 'associates' would know my research assistant is now Pennington and is working as a detective. (clears throat)
Man> Not him Mr. MacDuff. A fellow teacher teacher, the one of Archeology. Indiana Jones
MacBeth> oh him, (shrugs) I am not at liberty to say
Man> It has been 10 years since Indiana let him Mr. Duval to the holy grail on his last crusade and since Mr. Jones has seen Mr. Duval's face...(trails off indicating a bad fate in Indiana's future).
MacBeth> I promise I don't know where he moved to. If I did I wouldn't tell you but since I don't I needed fear.
Man> Cause you know we could reveal your secret thereby ruining your peaceful gig as a humble proffesor of Medival lore?
MacBeth> something like that
(the man leaves after giving one last glare at the proffesor)
END RP
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 12:21:52 AM
IP: dt043nf3.san.rr.com

I just finished Freedom Lost. I'm actually happy in a way that it had an unhappy ending. Unlike the TV show Sliders where everywhere they go it ends happily. The sliders having made an always positive difference to each land they land on. (smiles ironically)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, January 26, 1999 12:09:59 AM
IP: dt043nf3.san.rr.com

Todd > Hey! I have a dog named Speed Bump! (Before anybody jumps me for it,let me explain) I was working in a Vet Clinic and this puppy came in stray no owner hit by *two cars* with a broken back and a severed spine.
The vets I was working for are humaniacs (polite term - really, I could say much worse) and they would neither euthanize (the humane thing to do in a case like this) nor would they treat him (they're also cheap and there isn't a ton you can do in a case like this). The dog stayed in the clinic and bonded to me. We had to call him something and since *nobody* wanted to get attached to him (self defense) I dubbed him Speed Bump. Long story short, we had a Parvo outbreak (bad disease when you're a puppy) I took him home with me and 7 months after the accident the little so and so got up on his back feet and started running. (He'd finally gotten grown up enough to be fitted for a cart and was in the process of being fitted for one).
Now we mainly call him Skippy (because even though he's cute, he has a very evil streak) If anyone is wondering he's a Yorkie mix and is sitting in my lap (his prefered location) as I type this.

James > I hope you liked Devil's Deal. I had a great time writing that one. Actually, writing Timedancer was a good experience all the way around.
kathy
Monday, January 25, 1999 11:41:03 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

I don't know why so many people hate Mr. Dis Connect. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever met the fellow. <smug grin>

***
The rest of the post is about genetics, and it's INCREDIBLY LONG, so if you're not into it, skip it! <G
***

All sorts of good comments here -- I *knew* this was the place to come for an intelligent, reasonable discussion! I'm so relieved that no one's jumped down my throat for mentioning the topic. Anyhoo, here's what I think about the topics that have come up.

Multiple births> I think that "mutants" is semantically incorrect applied to women who have enormous numbers of babies. In the strict genetic sense of the word, "mutant" means an organism which through either natural or artificial means has a significantly different gene sequence from other members of its species. The mutation can be either beneficial or harmful. Women who have exceptionally large numbers of babies at once through the use of fertility drugs are not mutants in that sense of the word. Fertility drugs stimulate ovulation by changing hormonal levels, and have nothing to do with the underlying genetic code. They're still 100 percent human, they just fiddled around with their own control systems a bit. You might just as easily say that post-menopausal women who take estrogen supplements to prevent bone-loss are mutants.

Having said that, I must add that I think that it is irresponsible to use fertility drugs in the they have been recently, in order to concieve and bear octuplets. If a woman is having difficulty concieving and turns to fertility drugs for help, I think that it is wisest to go the route of in vitro fertilization rather than natural, simply because it is healthier to bear only one or two children at a time, not to mention more economical. If there are more fertilized ova than necessary, the couple can decide what to do with the remainder.

Taleweaver> I agree -- there are many people who are hypocritical about genetics. They feel that somehow it is "all right" to get breast implants, but "wrong" to use genetic knowledge to prevent horrible diseases such as Tay-Sachs syndrome. I think that they just don't *think* very hard, and end up with half-formulated opinions.

Potential applications> Is biological warfare using tailored viruses possible? Absolutely. Will someone pursue it? It seems horribly likely. People have been inventing more efficient and hideous ways to kill each other for centuries, and will continue to do so until we, as a species, grow up. In my eyes, any scientist who uses her knowledge to create biological weapons is no longer human.

As for creating "perfect" children, there is a horrible danger there, too. The removal of any one gene sequence from the gene pool can lead to horrible disasters. Take sickle-cell, for example.

Sickle-cell anemia is a horrible disease in which the afflicted person's blood cells are malformed in twisted shapes. They cannot move easily through capillaries, and they cannot carry as much oxygen as healthy blood cells. Episodes of unusual stress causes further sickling, often resulting in death. At first glance, there appears to be no advantage to having the genetic sequences for this in the gene pool.

And yet, there is one. Sickle-cell *trait* is a less serious version which arises when a person inherits it as a recessive rather than a dominant factor. The blood cells of a person with sickle-cell trait are perfectly healthy under normal circumstances. The only time they will sickle is when the person is under extreme stress.

Now, into this equation add malaria. Malaria microbes latch on to red blood cells. An attack by malaria causes great stress on the system. When that happens in someone with sickle-cell trait, the cells sickle enough to prevent the malarial infection from latching on, but not enough to harm the host, thereby protecting the host from the malaria. So there is something useful there after all. People who don't have sickle-cell at all usually die swift, painful deaths when infected with malaria.

Now, suppose we genetically engineer ourselves. We remove the gene which causes acne. Then, a hundred years later, a new, virulent form of leprosy appears which attacks adolescents who do *not* have acne. Millions die horribly across the world in the resulting plague.

If we remove even *one* gene from the pool, no matter how useless it seems, we create a potential vulnerability in ourselves. Decreasing the genetic diversity of a species as a whole automatically decreases its ability to adapt to environmental changes.

So that's what I think. I know that it's long winded, but the topic merits a lot. SO THERE! NYAH! :-�

<G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria Monday, January 25, 1999 10:51:33 PM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

**BEGIN RP! THIS ONE'S A BIT LONG.**

[Miriam: "Mr. Nereus, our forces have nearly finished off the Death Star's jamming field." Wilek: "Then we'd better start figuring out what we'll be doing with SJ's dad and clone when Traveler picks them up. If SJ2 has an alternate personality, there's no telling what he could do to us when we bring him on board, and we can't leave him on the Death Star because he knows all our plans." Miriam: "The best thing to do would be to simply kill him." Rho: "The jamming field's down! We have long-range comms!"]

**PAUSE RP!**

One final, non-offensive bit of The Survey, namely a favorite song lyric:
"Why, you could set your sights on heaven/There is no better time than now/Everyone walks away a winner/Don't ask how..."
~The Final Hour, from The 11th Hour soundtrack. Who else has this game?

Argent> Congratulations on the green belt!

Kaioto> Should have said this last time...<<Never before have I truly appreciated my own humanity until I lost it...the only thing I will miss about this gargoyle form is the wings>> Don't knock it till you've tried it. :) If I were human, I'd give it up in a heartbeat to be a garg or a mutate.

Zath> You're Back! Welcome! I was afraid you'd been eaten! <<If Goliath pulled off Macbeth's arm (or leg) and used it to beat/choke/strangle/etc. Demona to death, would it be enough to kill them both permanently>> I have no idea, but I greatly enjoy that mental image.

SJ> $Thanks! ^_^ And to think I've been making it up as I go along...$

**RESUME RP!**

[Wilek: "Well, it's time. SJ, what should we do with them? It's your call."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Monday, January 25, 1999 10:46:57 PM
IP: tnt-1-124-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Well I have read all of Pendragon and well I told you where I am in Timedancer Robby. Also I am glad my RP in the chat room is paying off. It took me a month at The Green Dragon Inn chat room before people started noticing I am a man of chivary. Now my reputation has shown in polls at the chat room where I go as Lord MacBeth (members.tripod.com/~GreenDragonInn/) I am most gentlemanly, lest likely to go OOC, wisest, and least likely to go crazy. <- therefore don't try and make me. Blast I'm babbling. I'll keep you informed on my Timedancer progress if you truly wish I suppose. (smiles)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, January 25, 1999 10:16:58 PM
IP: dt043nf3.san.rr.com

**RP!!**

**The screen lights up to reveal ... no change from where it left off. Preston has just been sent sprawling by a foot to the face from the newly-freed Ravyn. She jumps down from where she's been suspended, rejoining Coyote.**

You all right, Rav?

<"I'll live. Let's focus on the sicko.">

Straight to business. That's what I like about you, Rav. **smiles**

<"You won't beat me. You can't.">

**Coyote rushes forth, tackling Preston.**

So help me God, if you did anything to her ...

<"You'll what? Kill me? Yeah, right, you wouldn't hurt a fly.">

**Coyote delivers a swift kick to Preston's ... ahem ...**

Hi, fly.

**PAUSE RP!!**

**SPOILER WARNING FOR "WHEN THE BOUGH BREAKS!"**

Spike, as always, your stories stun me with their beauty. Now I'm salivating waiting for the second part ... not that I have to, but I *want* to! :) Same goes with the pics, as well. Excellent, as always.

**END SPOILER FOR "WTBB" ... HEY, WAS THAT A SPOILER OR A SUCKUP TO THE SENIOR STAFF?! :)**

Argent: Congrats on the green belt. Please remind me never to p**s you off. :)

Matt Dymond: Oh yes, Hope is now a name synonymous with evil ... at least in Xena terms, anyway. Possibly crossing to Hercules, too ... I know at least that Dahak has shown up on Hercules (killed Iolaus and possessed his body, last I'd seen).

Kitainia: Same here. With the expenses I'm throwing into my car just to keep it alive (as of right now, the current fix is costing me about $250 in parts alone!!), it's looking doubtful. Here's hoping we both get fat tax returns! :)

Ravyn: $I agree with Doug ... go ahead and toss 'em in!$

Zath: Dude! Sick! :)

Todd Jensen: Then I assume you've never seen the old MTV Liquid Television eps which had shorts starring "Speed-Bump, the Road Kill 'Possum." There's sick for ya ... and at the end, Speed-Bump always was shown being served on a plate. Ech.

**RESUME RP ... BE WARNED, THIS WILL BE PRETTY LONG BUT VERY SATISFYING FOR ME, AT LEAST.**

**Preston rolls with the blow, recovering against the far wall of the interrogation room.**

Ready, Rav?

<"I was *born* ready!">

**Coyote and Ravyn assume a firing stance ... Coyote with Peter's particle weapon, Ravyn with Coyote's hidden gun ... pointing the barrels toward Preston.**

<"Hah, you think that'll kill me?"> **Preston lunges. Coyote and Ravyn fire. Both miss.**

Reload! QUICK!!

**The yell comes too late, as Preston leaps and clotheslines both of them. He now stands over them, raising his fist ... which Coyote can now see has been Borgified.**

<"Say goodbye to your little friend, Coyote!" "HEY! Who you callin' little?!">

**Coyote screams, pulling the particle weapon around and shooting the Borgified hand clean off before Preston can land the deathblow. Ravyn kicks off the punk, tossing him over to the nearby floor. Coyote and Ravyn return to their feet**

<"You'll NEVER destroy me! NEVER!">

**Coyote narrows his eyes at his old foe. He levels the particle weapon between Preston's eyes.**

Welcome to never.

**Coyote pulls the trigger. The particle beam creates a huge hole through Preston's head, spreading until his entire body has been consumed and disintegrated. Coyote stops firing, dropping the weapon. His expression changes from intensity to tearful relief.**

And now ... my demon ... is slain.

**Coyote drops to his knees. Ravyn offers him an arm for support as the screen winks off.**

Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, January 25, 1999 10:06:22 PM
IP: modem68.i-is.com

Another picture check, this ones the Archmage...

Selanit- So THAT why Jim's part isn't getting a boffu batch of people... Five to one we suddenly have a lot more guests if Demona gets drunk again...

Todd- Speed bump? Morbid indeed... And not one I like, I LIKE armadillos... They're practically the state animal down here! I see one almost every week! And an armadillo is also one of my favorite Pokemon, after Mewtwo... What is Mewtwo you ask? Click my name to find out...

Argent- Isn't it so tension easing when you have a nearbye scapegoat like Mr. Dis Connect to kill for your computer troubles? And Kenny whenever you have a problem with the legal system?

James- Our resident chivalrous guy, its neat to see someone just now reading stories I read months ago, and all in one lump... (I read the entire TGS in one weekend... At some point I'll have to read them again, but slowly and seperatley...) Keep us informed of your progress...

Genetics- Hmm... Having read as much sci-fi as I have, I know full well how genetics can be misused if it ever gets to the point where clones are quick and easy to produce. However, since I can't forsee something that complex being quick, easy, or cheap at any point soon, I'm pretty much all for it, to clone lost limbs and organs and stuff...

Batman Beyond- I'm getting just a TAD sick of it at this point, as the WB here at least has shown the first episode THREE times now. Nothing else, just the first one over and over...

Comic Crimson- Heh heh heh... What I think is funny about this book, is it's part of Images big time "Cliffhanger" line, two books, "Danger Girl" and "Battle Chasers" being done by mega hot artists J. Scott Cambell and Joe Madureia, while Crimson is the low title with the relativley unkown artist... Now, the issue 4 of Danger Girl took SIX months to come out, and Battle Chasers has only released four isses in over a years time... Yet Crimson has had an issue out every month on the month, and the artist is doing other titles besides! Someone knows how to manage their time...

School- I got a dream schedual... For half the day... Theatre, English, Newspaper, Art in the mornings... Fun classes with little or no homework, and in three cases, very little classwork... All classes I love and excel in... Of course, then I have Math and History, classes I despise...

** JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY **
Two figures walk through the artificial snow trying to reach Jim's mansion.
"Do you realize if we suceed in our mission to infiltrate this party and take it over, we will be in a great position to dominate the world? Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Ah... I think so Brain, but if they didn't starch their loincloths, it wouldn't stay a kid's show for very long would it?"
"Pinky..."

** END JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY **
Robby - [<---- This way to Mewtwo!]
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:59:35 PM
IP: spider-wa022.proxy.aol.com

<quick comment; real post's later>

Super Cyborg Automated Armadilloes> Mega Man fans on the TGS staff? In the Super Nintendo game Mega Man X, one of the Robot Master bosses is Armored Armadillo, a humanoid armadillo robot that uses force fields to defend himself. Hm.
Wilek
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:38:57 PM
IP: tnt-2-237-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

No RP tonight. I guess I've gotten a little relaxed in keeping up my end of the RP, but frankly, I'm enjoying what Wilek and the others are doing too much! Hopefully I'll get a little less lazy from here on out.

SCHOOL!!!!!!
Well, today was the first day of my new semester. I'm taking 5 classes. I like one of them. Today begins the first day of the next 4 months of the hell that is my academic life. Not to mention that books are gonna cost me about 500 big ones....

Genetics: Ah, a topic near and dear to my heart!
I agree with most everyone in here; genetics can be a powerful force in the future, or it can be a nightmare. With genetics comes the ultimate power--the control over life itself. By mastering the gene, we essentially become gods ourselves. This can be a good thing--we can heal all manner of diseases, and we can possibly prevent deformities and abnormalities. Just look at the benefits of cloning alone! Through advanced cloning techniques, we can produce organs for transplant--organs that have a lower tendency to be rejected by the body--and also, it may be able to help with the issues of world hunger and endangered animals.
But it can also be one big horror story. In worst case sci-fi fashion, genetics could pave the way for more advanced, deadly biological weapons (plagues and such) and such. Or it could lead to us messing with our genes just to be fashionable or "perfect." We could engineer our children to be "to our specifications"--designer kids. You want a blonde-haired, blue-eyed rugrat? No problem. Genetics is a loaded gun. Point it at the right target, it'll do its job well. Point it at the wrong target, disaster will happen.
As for the women having whole litters of children....I was with my parents over the holidays, and my mom got mad at me for my comments on the whole matter. I think it was cause I called those women (especially that one out in the Midwest) "mutants." Well, I mean, they are! We're designed to have one, maybe 2 kids tops at a time, these women are having puppies!

Doug: Remember, this is me! I rarely ever get seriously pissed off. I was only joking about my Creed remarks. It's okay for you not to like them.
However, I disagree that they're a bunch of "religious whiners." Myself, and quite a few friends of mine enjoy their music, and while they used several religious metaphors and lyrics, I don't think it's quite fair to put them in the same boat as Pastor John. If I may say so, sometimes they seem to be critical of some of the same topics of Christianity that you are. (BTW, I don't mean critical in a bad way. I mean it in a "I'm not gonna be gullible and accept everything this pastor/preacher tells me just cause he claims to be a servant of God" sorta way.) For instance, in an interview with lead singer/frontman Scott Stapp, he talks about the Biblical imagery in Cred's lyrics: "There's always a spiritual thrust to what I'm writing. Spiritual, not religious. For me, religion was about 'what not to do.' Spirituality opens you up, set you free."
He was raised in a household by parents that were very Pastor Johnish, so he may have more in common with your viewpoints than you think. Creed's music is very heavy-hearted, and in fact, the song "In America" focuses on the battle between organized religion and spirituality--and Stapp doesn't favor Pastor John-type religion at all.

Speaking of God acting indirectly: Let me recommend a comic to all of you: CRIMSON #7.
If you're not familiar with the comic, click on my name to check it out. It's about Alex Elder--teenage vampire. It's quite well written, and wonderfully drawn. This particular issue came out before Christmas, and in fact takes place around the holiday itself. If you're not familiar with the back story, the issue may be a bit confusing, but it's a wonderful story, and the characterizations of the Heavenly Host, Satan, and God were great! (It's a secret who God really is....but I loved it!)

Dumlao: Thanks for the clear up. I wasn't sure if it was some problem on your end, or on mine. Sometimes computers and I don't get along very well.

Ravyn: Hey, nice pic! I can see why purple is your fave color! :)

Robby: Thanks for mentioning Frankie. He sends his best! Plus, I've always liked him as a hero, rather than a villain. I mean, it wasn't his fault he was made the way he was....He's a realy sympathetic character, and I like having him be the good guy, instead of some moronic, mono-syllabic monster.

Argent: Hey, congrats on the Green Belt!
I personally have a Leather Belt. It goes well with khaki-colored slacks.

Batman Beyond: Apperently, the ratings for the premiere must have been dern good, cause I hear WB has already ordered 13 more episodes of the show for the '99/'00 fall schedule.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:06:43 PM
IP: cache-1.spg.webcache.erols.net

Genetics and Tech> I might get a hostile with subject, don't take umbrage, it's just my opinon. It always amazes how only with genetics people become naturalist. Thinking there is some cosmic order that must be adhered to. Few people say 'Nature intended it' when they hop in their car and drive a hundred miles over paved roads. Or that it's in the cosmic order to have pesticides and chemicals pumped in your produce so nickle can be knocked off the price. If you are going to attack technology be circumspect. There's a lot of stuff going on right now that's more of a danger than genetics is.

That said I do acknowledge the potential of genetics like any technology. But I also know that it usually isn't the scientist or the creater that facilitates it's deadly use. Just like Einstein wasn't looking to make a nuclear bomb or that Chinese alchemist wasn't looking to make gunpowder. It's usually someone else whose less intelligent, but more cleaver that comes up with those deadlier applications.

I may come off a bit strong. I do feel strongly about the subject. If your afraid of genetics that's you're call. I chose to think of it different.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:03:25 PM
IP: 134.71.30.89

I just read the 4th chapter of TimeDancer, "Devil's deal" or something like that. Hmm it seems Puck/Own is allergic to St. John's wort. Very interesting. Yes very much so indeed.hehe
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, January 25, 1999 08:47:45 PM
IP: dt043nf3.san.rr.com

***QUICK CR RP! HEAD FOR COVER!!***
(CR door shatters as Argent delivers a furious snap kick to it. Stomps in and spots Mr. Dis Connect. Grabs him and proceeds to vent fury.)
"This is for all those 'connection did not initialize messages'." (neck throw. Mr. DC doesn't even get a chance to blink before Argent yanks him back up.)
"THIS is for those 'Program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down' bits. Once was understandable, but over seven is too much." (Performs a kick throw, my favorite. Mr. DC is once again 'helped' up.)
"And this is because my computer hates me and I'm not allowed to take it out on the hunk of junk!" (Performs every other throw I can think of. Then dumps him into a waiting ambulance.)
***CR RP OVER***
(I feel much better now. See you tomorrow!)
Gotta Jet!
(Eight months 'till new Dark Ages eps!)
Argent
Ohio, USA
Monday, January 25, 1999 08:34:34 PM
IP: dyn-234.belpre.frognet.net

Just a short post, because Doug was kind enough to respond so insitefully to my last post.
Doug: I agree, I'd hardly want to see God take a direct role in anything. It defeats being a human with free will. Nor would I like to see any fire and brimstone from on-high type stuff. I would, however, love to see a some cleric type-stuff, miraculous healing (no resurrections or re-growing lost limbs), Jedi-style 'one with the Force of the Universe' type tricks, that sort of 'subtle' magic. I just see more to magic than what can be learned from a book or inherited from a Fay bloodline. I think of cleric magic as the magic coming from a faith in the strength of spirit ... that kind of thing which allows us to sometimes impose justic or compassion over the grim reality. That is the beauty of a world where magic exists, the world is what you make of it, literally at times... -Thanks for listening.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Monday, January 25, 1999 08:15:35 PM
IP: 141.133.135.13

Selanit: Genetics are scary. At least, scary until we get the ethics to go with them. People are playing God. I mean, just look at all the women having litters left and right. Human beings were not meant to have litters, and that's what's happening. Women over a certain age were not meant to have babies. That's why menopause happens (and I personally am looking forward to menopause in, what, 25, 30 years). Until the ethical rammifications of playing God get figured out, then I'm afraid of what scientists will do. Where do we draw the line? And how? Do we even have the right to impose ethics on other people? How do we determine what's for the common good and what isn't? How do we know when we've gone to far? Are human beings, as a race, even ready for the type of power that can come from genetic engineerering? Who's to say?

Xena: So was Duke Ellignton. April 29th just rocks. ;)

jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edu]
Monday, January 25, 1999 07:57:47 PM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

Incidentally, I hope that no television executive ever comes across the Super Cyborg Automated Armadilloes (I think that's their name) in TGS, and decides, "Hey, what a great idea for a show!", and the next thing we know, we've got that thing on the air. (No, it won't really happen. They'd be too afraid of us suing them for stealing the idea from us).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 25, 1999 07:37:38 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-132.primary.net

**Kyryn walks in carrying a sledgehammer**

Got one system working. Now, lets see if I can 'persuade' the others. :)

Todd> Yes, it is kind of morbid; but I can see that sense of humor appealing to teens and pre-teens today. Besides, dead armadillos are, unfortunately, effective speed bumps. I ran over one (another car had apparently killed the poor thing) and nearly lost control of my car. However, I can see the series having fun with that (i.e. 'He can slow down anything').

**Kyryn walks out twirling the sledgehammer and whistling cheerfully**
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Monday, January 25, 1999 07:23:43 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Zath> Yes MacBeth's permission would be needed I think and it also depends on if that is what the weird sister's had in mind for them to both die of. Personally I doubt it but you should ask Greg,
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, January 25, 1999 07:08:00 PM
IP: dt043nf3.san.rr.com

��Sadly, this isn't an RP, this really happen.��
"My lord, you have been lashed out at."
**Jackal reads all the latest posts** "Ignore it, I'm in too good of a mood to deal with this."
"As you wish, high and mighty, wise Jackal."
**Jackal glares at his good friend** "Enuf of the, {I am god, you are jesus} bit. My god, going around sayin your god one day and people won't let you live it down. Hehehee, it's a good thing I changed that survey, otherwise some people would REALLY go nutz."
**The two....., really..., bad...., people laugh manically, then Jackal asks** "You want a ham sandwich?"
"Yes, my lord, just let me post first."
��End of really sad converstation that really did happen.��
Hey Fire, want me and Jackal to come visit you one day?! We always love to meet new people!
<<I like you a lot better than your other personality>>
^---Hey, I kinda dig that recapping thing---^ Anyways, I'm a real person! As sad as that is. This just isn't my name, we got the name from the lead singer of Stabbing Westward, we both like his music alot. (long pause) Sorry, my eye was itching..., it must be all those DRUGS! Sometimes my lord talks thur me and brings his comments down to us, as he did when he protected his people, when he felt their smarts were being trampled on by..., evil spirits.
Chris Hall
Ga, Usa
Monday, January 25, 1999 06:40:27 PM
IP: spider-th084.proxy.aol.com

Does anybody besides me feel that calling an armadillo, even a cartoon super-hero armadillo, "Speed Bump", is very morbid humor?

ED - Ah, so I wasn't the only one to start thinking of Tolkien during the Shire Pub bits! :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 25, 1999 06:30:06 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-132.primary.net

ALL AND SUNDRY ARE INVITED TO A PARTY!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, that's right, the First Insanity Fest has been approved by Her Majesty Queen Caitlingoyle the First of Ballpitria.

The party will be held at Ballpitria's virtual reality reconstruction of the GFW chat room, complete with swimming pool, kitchen, rafters, paintings, and thrones for Their Majesties.

Festivities will include chatting about random and completely screwy topics, a vacuum cleaner roast, and games of Tag or Red Light Green Light. Also, we now have our very own VIRTUAL TRAMPOLINE! WOO HOO!

The party will be held Saturday the 30th of January at these times:

6:30 PM (Pacific time zone)
7:30 PM (Mountain time zone)
8:30 PM (Central time zone)
9:30 PM (Eastern time zone)

A small download (1.2 megs) is required to attend. For detailed instructions on how to reach the party site, click my name!

See you there!
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria Monday, January 25, 1999 06:29:54 PM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

Argent- Congrats on the green belt! Sounds like you have a cool teacher... The best tests are the ones you don't realize are tests...

Matt- My thoughts also turned to a certain show with a warrior princess when a certain character came up in this week's story... (Not actually revealing anything so I don't need spoiler warnings!)

Mandi- 18 eh? Hmm...

Fire- First we learned Jill was lurking and now you... I'm starting to worry that this place is read by lots of people who don't comment... After all, the counter isn't running anymore... There's no way to know...

Kitainia- Why'd you have to throw poor Frankenstein into that mix of characters? Besides making his famous green monster, (Who was a pretty fun guy when SJ brought him in here) he hasn't done anything THAT bad...
As far as sleep, I'm the exact same way...

Zath- Um... I'm sure it'll never come down to Goliath beating Demona with MacBeth's arm or leg, but should that happen, I believe it would need MacBeth's consent, and Demona would have to hold still an awful lot...

Ah, I'll help sort through to find the broken pics... This one's Angela...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, January 25, 1999 06:23:47 PM
IP: spider-ta022.proxy.aol.com

**Zath, looking somewhat sleepy, stumbles into the room.**

Hi all. Boy, it's been a loooooong time since I was last in here. I guess I've been hibernating. Hopefully everyone had a nice holiday season (Thanksgiving to the present).

In case anyone is wondering why I bothered to show up now, there's been a garg question gnawing at the back of my brain for a couple of days and I thought actually asking someone might help it go away. It's another one of those killing Macbeth/Demona senarios I've bothered you people with in the past. Here goes...

If Goliath pulled off Macbeth's arm (or leg) and used it to beat/choke/strangle/etc. Demona to death, would it be enough
to kill them both permanently, and if so, would it all depend on whether or not Macbeth gave Goliath permission to use the body part as a weapon in the first place?

Okay, I guess that's enough weirdness for now. I'll be back sooner or later. Bye all.
**Zath wanders away.**
Zath
Monday, January 25, 1999 05:38:19 PM
IP: ns4-09.viptx.net

**RP WARNING**

Doug and those with him are having a meeting before they head out to the factories. "Let's review what we know," he's saying to the others. "Boris's family members that Bucharev has are one man, one woman, and their two sons. Vlad and Anastasia Golov, sons Andre and Nikolay. Boris is blonde with blue eyes, so was his father Yuri. There may be a resemblance. Sam, about these factories, which ones have Russian families that match this description working there?" The detective checks her notes and replies, "Only one. The sporting goods factory Bucharev has in North Colorado Springs. There's a family there that matches your description almost exactly, except that the boys, like their father, are redheads." "They've got to be our family," Doug nods. "If Bucharev wasn't lying to Boris, that is. I'll make a post, then we'll head down there." He turns to address the CR.

**END RP 1ST HALF**

SJ: Jeez, you don't have to be so tempramental. I'm sure Creed has its merits, I probably just can't see them thanks to my anti-Christian right bias. Sorry if it offended you or anyone else.

Star Wars Stuff: George Lucas liked Tim Zahn's stuff and SOTE so much he officially incorporated them into the Star Wars universe? Talk about a fanfic writer's dream... <grin>

Ravyn: $ Feel free to hurt those people you mentioned in the RP if you want to get revenge on them for their wrongs. That is part of what it's here for, after all. $

Kaioto: Sorry about misinterpreting your comments earlier, I understand now what you meant by them. Thanks for clarifying. I too am sick and tired of the "guy who doesn't know he's destined to save the world" theme. That's partly why in my fanfic saga, I am currently in the process of ensuring most of the heroes learn about the upcoming big danger, and are ready to face it knowingly, rather than unknowingly with destiny drawing the lines for them. And of course, with Seth I turned the whole concept around. Instead of him not knowing he's somebody very important and powerful (which he already knows), he's in fact someone he does not want to be. But he doesn't know that yet. :)

I agree with you about how heroes can be anybody with the will and the skills, anyone who fits the definition. I also understand your distress about the fay manipulating people, and agree that quiet average heroes should be lauded more than noisy superpowered ones. On the subject of clerics, yes, TGS should have some. It would be good for plot development and all. But there's one small problem: Your last post seems to be saying that a God-like figure should be behind these clerics, fully supporting them and their actions in the world. While I agree that God exists and is possibly very active in our day-to-day lives, I am also of the opinion that God is more of an indirect and hidden force in our lives than the direct and clearly present force you seem to want him to be in the Gargoyles universe. I think God, at least the Gargoyles universe, has always been operating unseen, keeping his presence unknown and manipulating events indirectly. Therefore the direct contact you would want him to have with humans to produce clerics might not be possible if we want to avoid religious controversy in TGS. So, I guess you'll just have to be content with fay-taught clerics like Natsilane and other magicians who can heal. Plus, who says God is going to let fay family problems wipe out all of his creations? Maybe we're going to stand up to the Unseelie, and beat them, without his direct help. I wrote a fic once called "After the Flood," in which humans, gargoyles, and fay joined together in the past after the Great Deluge to fight off an army of the undead trying to exterminate all life on the planet. God was helping them by putting a few ideas in their heads and cooling down tempers, stuff like that, but he did not act directly in the conflict. Sure a few of the people were probably sure he was there (you know, faith), but God didn't come down out of the sky and zap all the undead away, he let his creations assert their own will and assure their own survival without any direct help from him. I think that's the way God works, and it's pretty clear he does things like that in the Gargoyles Universe, if he's involved in it. And I'm pretty sure he is. I'm not telling you to throw out your idea, it's a good one. I'm just telling you I don't think TGS or most other fanfic continuations of the Gargs show will be able to accept it, and why. If you want to write some fics with your ideas in them, feel free. I'd definitely read them. That's all I have to say about that.

Jackal: So you were Chris all along, huh? Well, congratulations, you fooled us. :) Welcome back to the CR, old friend! On the survey debate, I didn't fill out the survey just because it was there. I also wanted to share some of my feelings about songs I like, stores I like, some of my opinions, etc. And the survey was a good outlet. Theresa does have a point, though. Parts of it could be construed as offensive and inappropriate. I apologize for offending her or anyone else in any way with my comments in that survey. Now that it's been filled in, and DumlaoX hasn't complained about it, I think the debate as to whether or not it's appropriate to the CR should end. So please, make sure you and Theresa don't start a flame war. Next topic.

Did anyone else notice the room got up to 520 KB last week? We must have set some sort of posting record. <grin>

**WARNING- NEW TGS EPISODE COMMENTS AND SPOILERS AHEAD**

Really good job on this latest story, Spike! And Kathy, and everyone else who worked on it. Great plot, well-coreographed action, excellent character development, and many many memorable scenes. I liked everything that was done with all the characters. Especially George, I like how he's in the gray area of the action instead of fully on the bad side. I hope Umbriel can help he and the others to learn to live "stuck between two worlds," and of course cure Casey of his affliction. Also great character development on Richard in here, I really liked the scenes with him and Quinn, as well as the part where he played with the twins, and his confrontation with George. I can hardly wait to see more of the brothers in Part 2 next week. Great artwork as well, I loved all the character expressions. The emotions and imagery also came across well in this story, both enriched it well. So once again, great job. Keep it up!

**SPOILERS END**

Kyryn: LOL! Thanks for telling me, that was a great CD. I too can see Alex doing that. Puck would of course have to get in on the action and humiliate Barney further after he saw Alex fooling around with everyone's favorite dumb dinosaur. :)

Selanit: Oh yeah, genetics can be good or bad. I certainly hope we'll police it more and more as it advances, I don't want us ending up like the society in Gattaca or some anarchy full of geneticists for hire, people getting lots of random mutations, and that sort of thing. Nightmares, ugh. If we can have the benefits of genetics without the costs, it'd be great. But things never work out that way, do they? Sigh. Oh well, this conflict too should be handled when it comes.

Argent: Congrats on getting your green belt. Yellow belt was as far as I ever got in the martial arts, about then my parents stopped wanting to pay for it. These days, I'm more of a slapstick streetfighter than a martial artist, I find it works better. Mixing several styles together, responding to your opponent's moves with what he least expects, that's the best way to win a fight IMO. That and have friends with you to help. And of course try not to get involved in the first place. Good luck in future martial arts tests.

Okay, that's all for now. Talk to you guys later.

**BACK TO RP**

Doug turns away from the CR and nods to his companions. "Let's get going." Then his cell phone begins to ring. "Hang on,", he says, scooping it up. "Hello?" "Hey Doug," a small child's voice says. "Oh hi, Anne," Doug tells his six-year-old half-sister. "What's going on?" "Dad wants to talk to you." Doug groans as his father comes on the line. "Douglas," Whitey Elder says to his son. "I'm glad I caught you. I wanted you to know I considered the situation with you and that girl, and..." "Dad, if you still think she's just a tramp mooching off my money and smarts, you're wrong." "Of course I'm wrong, pal. I don't know her, and I'd like to. I called her father, we spoke." "Oh. Oh, great. What'd he tell you?" "Same things you did, that you two are great together and like each other a lot, perfect for each other, she's a really smart and pretty girl, not at all what I thought she was. Listen, Doug, I'm sorry. I assumed the wrong stuff again, I shouldn't be trying to run your life. You want to date this girl, fine, you can even marry her if you want. I just want to meet her first." "Maybe you will, Dad. Tell Sarah (my sister, who is very close to Dad and is Kitainia's friend through e-mail) I said hi, I know she's been talking to you." "Yeah, how'd you guess?" "Only she can make you apologize like that. Listen, Dad, you're forgiven, okay? I gotta go now. I'm busy saving the world from hostile takeover." "Ha ha, real funny. Still a kidder, eh pal?" "Dad, you don't know how much I wish I was. Later." Doug grins and hangs up the phone. "Alright guys, on to the factory. Let's go." Everyone nods and smiles as the screen fades out. To be continued.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, January 25, 1999 05:03:28 PM
IP: dal-qbu-zon-vty58.as.wcom.net

*laughs* Ed, sweetie, the story took place in New York. Richard is an all-American boy who's happens to call his mother, "Mom." If you found it jarringly American, well, that's the proper effect. And English-style pubs are very popular here.
Spike
Monday, January 25, 1999 03:52:58 PM
IP: dal-as1-1229.cmpu.net

***COMMENTS FOR �WHEN THE BOUGH BREAKS PART ONE�. INCLUDES SPOILERS***

Oh, dear� someone�s been reading Lord of the Rings� Underhill? Sam? Shire pub? Anyway� first some annoyances�

A lot of this is mind-bogglingly American in feel. The repetition of the word �mom� in Richard�s chat with his mum at the beginning is annoying to me (for no other reason than I find the saying of it awkward to imagine- it feels too wrong). Also, there are several points at which everything�s drummed in as British and English etc. which is a bit daft from my point of view. And is �hemoglobin� the American version of �haemoglobin�? All niggles, though. Nothing serious.

Umbriel is portrayed beautifully here. �You�ll soon learn it�s a lonely place,� is just fantastic. Hints at Japan might (I really hope) hint at a possible return for Vinnie! :) And the Armadillos continuity is hilarious- I love it! :D As for the George & Richard confrontation, that was just breathtaking. What a cliffhanger, too!

But the Maddox �previously� section really highlights the difference, and flaw, of the transition from Maddox to Madoc. Madoc just doesn�t seem like a threat. Or not as Maddox did. His mysticism seemed to be shattered after he reverted to his true form, and I think he�s less interesting a character as a result. Certainly I like him this season far less than the gripping control game he had over the characters last season.

I would have liked to see more on Goliath and the what the clan actually got up too, rather than just a tiny bit with Brook. There hasn�t been an episode with the clan working as a clan since� well, I can�t remember when. REPRISALS, but only briefly. All the rest, they�re separate, which seems a shame.

On the art front�

Umbriel pic: Really cool!
Group coloured pic: Brooklyn looks a bit odd in this, but it�s a lovely snapshot of the scene.
Richard & Geoge: Lovely!

Another good episode from TGS, that still doesn�t have the flair of some of the classics, but is respectable nonetheless. Good job and can�t wait for part 2! :)

***END �WHEN THE BOUGH BREAKS PART ONE� COMMENTS AND SPOILERS***

Ordell: I like George too, although the best (I think) was Maddox up until the end of REPRISALS.

Mary: I�m sure Spike could be more accurate, but his response would probably be pretty violent.

DumlaoX: If you want to check out what pics work, maybe we should run through pics in order until we find them. I�ll post as the first on the list anyway, if you want to test it out this way. It would seem to me to be the most efficient way to do it, as from the number of posts this place gets (especially after a new ep) you could probably sort through the lot in a couple of days...

So, this is Ajax.
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Monday, January 25, 1999 03:35:02 PM
IP: p26-gull-gui.tch.virgin.net

**Kyryn sticks her head in**

Hello to all the newbies and the lurkers (lurk, lurk, lurk **grin**)

Argent> Congrats on the green belt!

***MINOR EP SPOILERS**

Christi, I love the pic of POed Brooklyn. That expression just says it all!

**END MINOR EP SPOILERS**

' later all!

**Kyryn disappears**

Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Monday, January 25, 1999 02:45:33 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

*wakes up grogily*

Ugh, just fully woke up. I was awake in Chemistry class earlier but not by much. Anyways, got Physics and Life Sciences coming up & have to study for those. No tests, just gotta enrich my mind there.

ROBBY-- Heh, now you know the real drawback to being a staffer. Remember, you can still comment, just don't tip your hand too early on what we are planning for the future.

Happy b-day to those that had or have them. Haven't exactly been able to keep up wioth who had what.

HEATHER-- This is very belated but good luck on all your trials and tribulations and love. Hope you get better soon :)

MATT-- how many eps in the main cycle? At the earleist, we don't end till Independence Day :)

ARGENT-- Congrats on the belt!

THE PERCENT ERROR-- I have no idea on how the hell that error is in Gore's code. I think, however, that it might be a security measure in case someone wanted to do something malicious to any of the comment rooms his code runs on.

COMMENT ROOM-- I pretty much gave up trying to run the code myself. I'd love to be able to do updates to the code myself and such but so many thngs are blocking me that it just might not be feasible anymore. Instead, if I can find Gorebash on IRC, I'll ask him to fix the errors and add new pics and such. Just gotta play the waiting game for now. Thanx to those that have helped me in my little quest. Your work will not go unappreciated.

Oh, btw, what comment room pics in here don't work? Gotta know what errors to have Gore fix.

JACKAL-- Welcome back!

SEVARIUS JR.-- Yeah, I'm getting that error as well. I have the file back in my home computer, not in the labs here, so I'll upload the good version when I get home. Darn FTP errors.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Monday, January 25, 1999 01:21:56 PM
IP: host-a4432e36.library.ucla.edu

::peeks in -- is that survey business over with yet?::

Woo-hoo! A story by Christi! Hmm, to read now and then have to wait in agony for next week, or wait and read it all at once in a gluttonous binge? Hmm. Given the condition of my house (a pit), I'd better wait at least a little bit. :(

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:30:50 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

*creeps in* Hey ppl! Haven't been around in a while. Had finals last week.(BLEH!)

***EPISODE SPOILERS***
YES!!! Quinn returns!!! For the longest time I have been wishing I could go up to George, pop a cigar in his mouth, and say "Congratulations George! Your gonna be a dad!" and see what his reaction would be. :)

Hmmmm....Hope. Cute name. Definatly suits the kid for her situation. And I'm glad to see Richard finally met a human girl that he likes. Already they look cute together.

Damnit, if George trys to do anything with his daughter for his cure......(grrr!) But he could also use his brother. That's always a possiblity.

***END EPISODE SPOILERS***

Bye all!
Mary Flanders
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:17:33 PM
IP: ramp-1-37.ucdavis.edu

Hey, what's up? Every time I try to access the TGS episode guide (season 2), it gives me a little "Document contains no data" thingie. This is the 4th computer I tried it on!

Dumlao, is something wrong?
Sevarius Jr.
Monday, January 25, 1999 11:45:30 AM
IP: 129.174.56.142

On the chance of getting flamed
Starsinger umm Xena did warn the room she was responding to the survey. As for the survey it self yes part of it was juvenile, but mabey he wanted to know what people here are like and what boundaries could be pushed! I went back to read her responses and found them very witty.
oh well time to read the story. AS for chris or jackal if you find him offensive ignore him. oh and Xena glad to see someone is into chinese astrology (scorpio, metal, dog)
Last thoughts as the brave warrior readies his extinguisher whats up with shoes??!! barefoot is better(your feet toughen up to the point that you can walk on glass!! shoot walk on concrete in july in Houston!!!)
Ironwolf
Monday, January 25, 1999 10:54:27 AM
IP: host-209-214-40-78.cha.bellsouth.net

**RP WARNING**

Kitainia and the others are still battling the movie monsters in the lobby of the Bates Motel. As everyone in the CR looks on, Elena opens a portal to the Plane of Elemental Fire. With a quick telekinetic shove from Tricia, Randall Flagg, Freddy Kruegger, and Frankenstein are all shoved inside, and the Halfling seals her portal shut. Jason Vorhees swings his axe at Boris, but the strongman rips his mask off, shoves a grenade in the mouth of Jason's rotting face, and then pushes him into the last few zombies. The grenade then explodes, taking them all out. The Black Lagoon Creature is gunned down by Gubio, and Jammer beats up Wolfman with several quick swings from his metal pole and a thrust with a silver knife to the creature's heart. Dracula has meanwhile grabbed Kenny and is trying to bite the screaming lawyer, but is staked and turned to dust by Janice before he can. "No way I'm getting paid enough for this," Kenny comments as he is then eaten by the Blob. Kitainia, Orion, and Traveler, busy battling Micheal Myers, W, and Leatherface, don't have time to help him out. The others now become busy with the four aliens and several more monsters that rush to attack them from the rest of the hotel. Kitainia blows W away with her laser as he tries to stick her with his cattle prod, then in the middle of the battle turns to make a CR post.

**END RP 1ST HALF**

Robby: Actually I do sleep. I just have more frequent bouts of insomnia than most normal people. And thus more trouble sleeping. Fortunately, I can subsist on only brief amounts (such as the one hour I had last night).

Jewel: Don't worry, you aren't the only one going crazy this soon thanks to school.

Mandi: It's posted now, Doug and I read it this morning. Thanks for the entertainment, hope you enjoyed our feedback.

Kaioto: I agree with everything you said about the average man having power to change the world. But of course, they have to care first. :( As for clerics, oh yeah, TGS needs some of those bigtime. No party is complete without the walking first aid kit, after all. <grin> But seriously, what you suggest is a good idea. I support it immensly. I also completely agree with your last paragraph on the humanist topic. I too admire the quiet heroes, the ones who just do their job and don't flaunt or whine about it, more than anyone who goes around acting like "I'm a superhero, I'm nigh invulnerable, you can't beat me! Bwahahaha!!" Yes, I agree that in a world of magic and great conflict, maybe all those people would be greater heroes. I hope the fic writers of the world are at least able to do that for a few of these characters, if not them all.

Coyote: Alright, I can hardly wait to see it. Hope I can still make it to Dallas when the time comes. Right now things are looking like I can, but you never know. :(

Jackal: Welcome back! I missed you big time! Hope you'll stick around, I like you a lot better than your other personality (?) Chris Hall.

Theresa and Jackal: Both of you have good points in this latest morality debate. I agree with both sides evenly, and apologize to anyone I may have offended by filling out the survey, though I do agree with Jackal that I was within my rights to do so. Now I sincerely hope you will both forget about this debate soon. My sensors are showing a high possibility of flame war if you continue the debate, and nobody wants to start one of those in here, right?

Wilek: I was providing the magic skills, I'm a dabbler in the black arts if you recall. Teri just gave me some interesting ideas for demons. :) (Yes, I was kidding.)

**WARNING- EPISODE SPOILERS AHEAD**

Great job on this week's up, Spike and all others who worked on it. I loved all the great pictures, especially the ones of everyone's reaction to POed Brooklyn (Sata's advice to him about observing events as they happen is going into my quote book) and Richard confronting George. Great job on all those pics.

The episode was also very well-written. I liked all the developemnt done on Angela, Sata, Brooklyn, Umbriel (so he is Oberon's son? When do we get the story behind that?), Sevarius, and especially Richard and George. Both of the Harrison brothers showed great emotion in this fic, and I could feel it very strongly. Kudos on making them such interesting characters, I agree that George is one of the best original characters created by the TGS Staff. As for Quinn, I like her, too, and think she and Richard make a great couple. Hopefully good things are on the horizon for them. (Though with George going after the kid, I'm a little worried.)

On a side note- I noticed Graeme has an Internet pen pal named Lucy. If that's who I think it is (Leo and Una's kid), it seems another of my predictions about TGS (them developing a friendship) is coming true! <grin> Good job developing the twins here, too, Spike. I was LOL at their snowball fight and exchange of comments about TV shows.

All in all, another fantastic episode, I can hardly wait for Part 2. Keep up the good work!

**NEW EP SPOILERS END**

Selanit: Not me, and I'm not a woman in her right mind. Whatever right mind means. I think fertility drugs are a stupid idea. People are supposed to bear one kid at a time, not litters! And the age of seventy is too old to bear and raise a kid, any woman should know that. I think we should ban all these drugs, and stop their associated research, at least until we stop the planet's overpopulation crisis. Of course I'm infertile myself, so this is easy for me to say.

Argent: Congrats on your belt. Glad I wasn't the only one with a sensei who gave suprise after-the-fact martial arts exams. :)

That's all for now, later!

**BACK TO RP**

The leader of the new group of monsters, a redhaired funny-looking man in a pink jumpsuit, grins at Gubio. "Hello fellow computer nerd," he says. "My name is Trickster." (Yes, it's the guy from that awful horror fic Brainscan!) Gubio snarls and blows him away, saying "I hated that movie!" The others continue to fight on, Leatherface is blown to bits by psionic tremors Tricia sets off in his body, and Orion kills Micheal Myers with a holy word that banishes his soul back to Hell. The Blob, now the only powerful monster left, consumes the Aliens and other remaining monster thugs. The team turns to battle it, and save Kenny from its gullet, as the screen fades out. To be continued next time.

**END THIS BIT OF RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, January 25, 1999 10:52:19 AM
IP: smf-f7.facsmf.utexas.edu

Hi. ^_^ I usually just lurk around here, and skim the messages (they get kinda' long some times. ^_^ :P :)) and, of course read TGS. I haven't had a chance to read the story for this week yet(I have a history paper to do... :p) but I looked to see the pictures for a preview, andI just wanted to say that those where the most awseome pictures I have ever seen for TGS. I really liked some of the ones for the Dark Ages, but the quality of this weeks pictures is astounding. And we got THREE of them! ^_^ Usually we only get two! ^_^ I can't wait to read the stories, but I had to comment on the art work. ^_^ Thanks! Now, back to your regularly schedueld lurking...
Fire
Atlanta, GA, USA
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:56:48 AM
IP: atl2-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Firstly, Thank You ever so much for the favorable response on "When The Bough Breaks" Part 1. We'll just see how you
feel about it next week after Part 2!

About Hope: George and Quinn met in "Consequences" --BEFORE-- he met with Maddox and Mavis and underwent the
Changling Factor, about 2-3 days before in fact. Ordell is correct in saying that Hope is 100 percent human.

Gee... that percent thingy really does work, doen't it?
Spike
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:48:51 AM
IP: dal-as3-2105.cmpu.net

Firstly, Thank You ever so much for the favorable response on "When The Bough Breaks" Part 1. We'll just see how you feel about it next week after Part 2!

About Hope: George and Quinn met in "Consequences" --BEFORE-- he met with Maddox and Mavis and underwent the Changling Factor, about 2-3 days before in fact. Ordell is correct in saying that Hope is 100
Spike
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:46:58 AM
IP: dal-as3-2105.cmpu.net

Um, I think I'm 18th. ;)

Argent> Congratulations on the green belt! **claps**

I've got to run to work soon, but now that the comment room's cleared...

**SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT!**

"Night Shift," the fanfic that drove me crazy, is finally done and finally posted at the GFW archive. Yes!

**END SHAMELESS PLUG**

Oops, got to run!

Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 25, 1999 09:41:21 AM
IP: 144.175.17.229

Ach, sorry for the duplicate post. I don't know why that happens......
Ordell - [jwaltrip@cableone.net]
Monday, January 25, 1999 08:23:09 AM
IP: ppp-114.ode.cableone.net

****TGS Ep Spoilers - Look away now*****

Spike> Wonderful as usual, gripping and very well written.
Seems like we may have our first splinter faction forming in the Unseele war. Although considering their feelings about the Gargs I can't (at the moment) see them becoming allies.
Can't wait for part two.
Only thing is I'm finding it difficult to find empathy for a child called Hope seeing as they just screened the 4th season Xena ep 'A Family Affair' a couple of days ago. Now THERE is a problem child.
Just as a matter of interest, approximately how many TGS eps will there be this series?

Selanit> George hadn't been transformed at the time of his one-night stand with Quinn, so the child wouldn't be part fey. Check out the first season ep 'Consequences'.

****Spoiler End*******
Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKMonday, January 25, 1999 08:21:44 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

Selanit > I'm pretty sure Hope was concieved before George was mutated, but I could be worng.

I think that George is the most intriguing character created by TGS. The two best episodes in the first season, in my opinion, are "Turncoat" and "Consequences", and those are both Richard/George stories.

Since I'm on the staff now, I just hope I'll get to write him someday =)

Later....
Ordell - [jwaltrip@cableone.net]
Monday, January 25, 1999 08:17:35 AM
IP: ppp-114.ode.cableone.net

Selanit > I'm pretty sure Hope was concieved before George was mutated, but I could be worng.

I think that George is the most intriguing character created by TGS. The two best episodes in the first season, in my opinion, are "Turncoat" and "Consequences", and those are both Richard/George stories.

Since I' ont eh staff now, I just hope I'll get to write him someday =)

Later....
Ordell - [jwaltrip@cableone.net]
Monday, January 25, 1999 08:17:24 AM
IP: ppp-114.ode.cableone.net

(Runs in screaming (Advance apologies to anyone who I deafen!))
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
I PASSED MY GREEN BELT TEST!!!!!!!!!
Didn't know I was going to take it? Neither did I! I'll explain: My Jujitsu dojo (school) was holding it's second annual belt ceremony. It's a combination of a demonstration for our families and friends and a celebration of anyone who earned a new belt rank over the last year.
(Note- For the record, I'd gone to class that morning and practiced some things I'd need to know for my test.)
I knew ahead of time that I'd be performing a skit with some of my friends. But my sensei (teacher) hadn't told me I was going to end up doing most of the Jujitsu demo also! (I figured he just felt like picking on me. *grin*)
At the end, sensei was passing out awards. He called my name for the Kiah award, which is awarded for 'spirit, and making the class more interesting' (basically, screaming loud *grin*)
When I went up to get it, it was then that he announced that along with the Kiah, I had just taken my green belt test! So the class that morning, where I thought I was just practicing? And the demo? I was really taking the test, but he hadn't told me! I was in shock, and I STILL haven't recovered!

Gotta Jet! (YES!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Eight months 'till the new Dark Ages eps!)
(Oh yeah, and I'm somewhere in the top twenty.)
Argent
Ohio, USA
Monday, January 25, 1999 06:52:40 AM
IP: dyn-205.belpre.frognet.net

Jackal/Chris you seem to delight in findings ways to bring sex into this comment room. You say I insult the intelligance of those who filled out your survey. I did not. It takes a good deal of thinking to not blindly follow your leader off a cliff as the lemmings do every ten or so years. Several people filled out modified surveys with the objectionable material removed. These people recognized it for what it was. TRASH. I don't have to defend myself from someone like you. I learned how to modify my speach and actions in front of younger children for years. Many of my friends have children and object to talk of sex and drugs in front of them.

I will concede that most of the people in this room are 14 and older and do have some discreation due to their age about what they read. My mother trusted my judgement years ago and never objected to what I read or watched at the movies.

Xena in the future if you are filling out such a sensless survey with sex and the like in it, please put the appropriate warnings around. This is comment room rules not my being bitchy.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, January 25, 1999 05:07:13 AM
IP: proxy-351.public.rwc.webtv.net

Sorry the last message was for Jewel.

The server crashed while I was trying to send the notice last time.

talk to ya all later.
Xena
N. Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Monday, January 25, 1999 03:18:50 AM
IP: nvan-53-0239.direct.ca

What does Uma Thurman, Michelle Pfeiffer Jerry Seinfeld have in common with us?

Their birthdays are the same days as ours! :)

Bye for now.
Xena
N. Vancouver, B.C. , Canada
Monday, January 25, 1999 03:15:12 AM
IP: nvan-53-0239.direct.ca

***SPOILER ALERT!***

I've never really liked George terribly much. I mean, he's fine character, but he just rubs me the wrong way. Till now I've maintained some hopes for his eventual redemption, but if he steals genetic information from Hope to cure his own affliction, I'll give up on him.

Of course, Hope's viability as a donor of the necessary genetic information depends on whether Servarius made his Fay-enhancement dominant or recessive. If dominant, then Hope is one quarter Fay, and therefore not the best donor if George wants to go back to being fully human. If recessive, she's probably a better donor, but it could introduce some problems into the recoding procedure. Overall, George would be best advised to use Richard as a donor instead of Hope, for several reasons:

1) Richard is 100 percent human, no doubt about it.
2) Richard is an adult, capable of giving informed consent, and would doubtless do anything to help his brother (aside from killing him, that is.)

Of course, Servarius has never bothered too much with informed consent. <switches to mock-serious voice, simultaneously fruity and cheesy> A time of testing is upon George. A cusp has been reached -- will he choose to turn further into evil or return to briar-beset path of virtue? <reverts to normal voice>

***End Spoiler***

Genetics really is fascinating. The field is simply *loaded* with potential. It could be used to cure all sorts of diseases. But it can be abused, far, *far* too easily. And then, of course, there are borderline cases.

For example, there is now a drug on the market which can actually prevent menopause. I'm not clear on the specifics of how it works -- something to do with the telomerase at the end of each gene sequence in unfertilized ova. Potentially, women with this implant could bear children in their seventies.

And yet, you have to wonder about this. Is it moral to develop a drug that can do this when there are millions of unfed children all over the world? Would not our efforts be better spent adapting food crops to grow easily under all climates?

And anyway, what woman in her right mind would *want* to bear a child in her seventies????

I throw the topic open for discussion. Please, keep it civil.
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria Monday, January 25, 1999 01:11:16 AM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

**** SPOILERS AHEAD! TAKE ALL NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS ****

Spike, you are a wicked tease, and I love the new episode. All those little bits that just keep winding together into a seamless whole. But to bring Richard and Quinn together... with George's baby in the mix, (Hope? Quinn's a bit of a romantic, isn't she? In addition to everything else...) is there a fae somewhere nudging threads of fate again? Not that the scenes don't work, I'm just always a little suspicious any time something seems to dovetail that neatly in the TGS that there's someone with an ulterior motive lurking in the background.

***** END SPOILERS *****

Regardless of the quibbles, I still think it's an excellent story. Now to sit impatiently for the second half next week.
Philip Jacobs - [nementh@usa.net]
Newport News, VA, USA
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:42:48 AM
IP: 190-006.orf.sybercom.net

Robby: Like I told ya earlier, don't sweat it, really. Sorry I kind of misled you (I signed off of IM because it was making my comp. run a bit sluggishly), I appreciate your posting for me. Really.

**gives Robby a six-pack of his favorite beverage (your choise)**
Coyote the Bando
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:37:13 AM
IP: modem94.i-is.com

Well, that went screwy... I was trying to do Coyote a favor because I thought he was offline and was gonna miss the top ten... So I posted for him right after he himself did... Thats what I get for trying to repay a service rendered... (He posted for me a few weeks ago when my browser was acting funky) By the way Coyote, I still owe you a beer when I turn legal...

New ep- N/A, as I'm on staff and already have a good idea of whats going on in the future and have read this story before... Man, I'm starting to feel the downsides of being on the staff now... And this is only the second week I can't say anything... Man...

** JIM'S SUPERBOWL PARTY **

Davy and Demmy have spent the last hour or so together... Odd as it seems, Demona has fallen in love... With one of the Monkees... Meanwhile, Jim is having a blast with a snowball fight in his large back yard with several people. His siter Kari is no where to be seen, she's off on some mission with SJ or something... Mr. Dis Connect begins to reassemble himself after being blasted apart, only to be immediatley run over by a runaway tractor. "Sorry!" Robby calls out, while inwardly smiling at his revenge against the internet employee who cut him off from Heather some time earlier.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:20:35 AM
IP: spider-wg064.proxy.aol.com

YES!!!! Lucky number 13!!! Uh...wait a minute...that doesn't sound right...does it? Weelll, anyway I'm off to read that new episode SPIKE has been tormenting us with for the past...what is it now? Two? Three weeks? Catch ya later...
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:16:10 AM
IP: 167-81-112.ipt.aol.com

**POSSIBLE NEW EP SPOILERS!**

I've never before read an ep with George and Richard in it, so I didn't know anything about them, so perhaps I didn't enjoy this ep as much as I could have. It was great, well written, interesting plot, and all--and it was very kewl to encounter SJ's dad again--but I didn't know much of the back story, so...Ah well. I liked it, let's leave it at that.

**END POSSIBLE SPOILERS!**
Wilek Nereus
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:07:56 AM
IP: tnt-2-57-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**Kyryn falls through a hole into the CR, picks herself up and looks around. "Well, that spell needs work."**

Somewhere around twelfth.

NEW EP> **grin** Read it, loved it, can't say much more.

Survey> I agree with Starsinger. I don't like giving out all kinds of personal info to whoever. I've had obscene callers and been stalked before. I really don't like giving anything to someone who may use it for who-knows-what.

Doug> The gargified Barney image was the result of a minor CD. You mentioned Alexander playing. Knowing how he loves gargs, I could see him saying, "Bad! Be good!" ZAP! Result: gargified Barney. What can I say? My mind was in weird gear that day.

**Kyryn mutters a spell, and promptly falls through the hole which opens in the floor. The CR hears cursing, followed by: "I still need to work on that!"**

Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Denton, TX
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:06:29 AM
IP: denm2-6.iglobal.net

Xena: We have the same birthday. Cool. Go, "Day of the Heavy Image"! (April 29th)
jewel - [jfaulkne@brynmawr.edy]
Monday, January 25, 1999 12:02:30 AM
IP: erd-111.brynmawr.edu

**Robby walks in with a sheet of paper and clears his throat**

Dear room,
EIGHTH!!!
-Coyote the Bando

**Robby leaves. Gee, I hope I got the color right...**

Coyote (Courtosey of Robby) - [1134@i-is.com]
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:56:55 PM
IP: spider-tr071.proxy.aol.com

By my figure (counting posts) this should be ninth. Off to read the story now.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:54:58 PM
IP: modem94.i-is.com

Just trying to secure a spot next to my lady love...
Robby
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:46:50 PM
IP: spider-tr071.proxy.aol.com

Nine or ten ~
Heather
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:45:14 PM
IP: 207-217-225.ipt.aol.com

Seventh or eighth, I think. Now, to go see if Christi's teasers were just hype, or the real thing.
Philip Jacobs - [nementh@usa.net]
Newport News , VA, USA
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:31:46 PM
IP: 190-006.orf.sybercom.net

FOURTH!!!! :-�

To hear me laugh maniacally, click my name!

<G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Ballpitria Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:31:13 PM
IP: smith17-26.resnet.colorado.edu

Second
Lexington
SA, TX, USA
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:29:07 PM
IP: spider-to042.proxy.aol.com

YOU PEOPLE AND YOUR DAMN SURVAYS!
Oh well, if you must know about me, here it comes. So don't say I didn't warn you.

BASICS
Name: Marie Kerns (remember it, it will be famous some day)
Location: North Vancouver, British Colombia of Canada (and no we don't fight polor bears and shoo penguins off our lots everyday, so there!)
Birthdate: April 29, 1974 (month the Taurus, year of the Tiger, grrr!)
What do you like? To create new charaters, give them a story, and create more characters to go with the first character(s).
What is your mind like? Do you really want to know that?
What kind of clothes do you wear? Anything that covers my body and keeps me warm, duh!

FAVORITES
Fave Color: Blue, and burgandy red.
Fave Store: I don't know.
Fave Drink: Pepsi, of course!
Fave candle/incence smell: Sandlewood.
Fave animale: Cats and Tigers....(well, what did you expect, a Zebra?)
Fave food: Anything that agrees with my stomack. (But mainly chocolate, tee, hee.)

MUSIC
Fave Type: Depends on what mood I'm in.
Fave Band/Artist: Don't have one, I like what I like.
What is the best lyric/quate from a song?
"Excite light, enter night, take my hand, off to Never-never land." from Metallica's Enter Sandman.
Who is the sexiest singer/band member you know? I haven't meet any, so I can't say, sorry! :)
What song moves you more then others? Enter Sandman, great beat. It also has an inside joke between me and a friend that plays one of my characters. You'll have to wait until the series to see what I mean. :)
What Band do you hate? Backstreet Boys, and Spice Girls, Yuck!!
What song makes you sick? "Backstreet back" and that sappy song the Spice Girls sing.
What music trend do you think should die? What do you think?
What trend do you think will be big soon? I don't know, my tastes are so finicky.
What new band would you recomend to others? Again my tastes are so different form others, so I won't bother.

SEX AND RELATIONSHIP
Are you a vergin? Wouldn't you like to know?
Are you in love, or have you ever been? Yes, I'm in a relationship right now. And very happy together for your information.
What position do you enjoy the most? Depends if we want to get inventive or not.
Have you ever been in a relationship, and when you think back it makes you want to gag? No, I believe everyone meets sertain people for a reason. It's cosmatic. You'll have to believe in past lives to understand.
What is your fave part of the opposite/same sex? There eyes, that's the part of the body that tells their story, without them saying a word.
What do you notice first about a person? (see above for answer.)
What turns you on? Romatic poetry written by my love.
What turns you off? I Don't know!
Are you into kink? You've got to be kidding me?
Do you have odd fetishes? WHAT???
Do you masterbate? What do you think?

DRUGS AND ALCOHOL
Do you do drugs? No, and don't ask again!
If so what kind? I warning you!
What are your favorite drugs? THAT'S IT, NOW YOUR GONNA GET IT!!
Have you ever had a bad experience? HOW COULD I, I NEVER TREID ANY!! (I never needed to)
Is there any drug you refuse to do? All, except Prescription (even then I'm sceptical). FINE I'LL TELL YOU THEN, Why should I take drugs to enhanse my creativity, when I already created 50 different stories, and 500 different characters to go with each story. And I've only just begun. So there, happy!
Do you smoke cigarettes? No, I believe the consept of smoking should die! And it will someday, and when it does you'll know I had something to do with it, bwaa, ha, ha, ha!!!
Do you drink? Sometimes.
What is your fave alcoholic drink? The kind that tastes like pop. eg. Baby Canadian Champagne.
Have you ever been so drunk you puked or passed out? Never puked, but I get really tired after one drink that I sleep for the rest of the night, (Don't you dare make fun of me about that!).
Have you ever done anything you regretted while under the influence? Nope.

OTHER
Who do you admire the most? Creative, and desent people!
Do you lik to wear shoes? No, I like to walk bare foot on glass. Of course I like to wear shoes.
When was the last time you kissed someone? Two seconds ago.
What is the best feeling in the world? Cuddling with my love.
What is the worst feeling in the world? Not being with my love.
Do you believe in magic? Ya, of course I do, I was a Witch in a past life.
Do you believe in vampires? Maybe.
Who do you hate? I try not hate, I would rather dislike, or just stay away from them as much as possible.
If you could do anything to a person, what would you do? Are you kidding? If it's bad stuff, it come back at you (if not in this life, defently in the next).
How do you feel about religion? I have my own religion, it's called "Follow your own path"!
Are you the Antichrist? Maybe!

Well, there you have it, now you know all about me. I hope you are satisfied, good night everyone, and enjoy your life!

Xena
N. Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:28:14 PM
IP: nvan-53-0239.direct.ca

EARLY! TOP TEN!
Robby
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:27:36 PM
IP: spider-tr071.proxy.aol.com

1st!!! I think???
Sevarius Jr.
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:27:20 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.webcache.erols.net

The Harrison brothers always thought blood was thicker than water. They're about to find out just how much.

When The Bough Breaks part 1

Written By Christi Smith Hayden.

Story Idea by Christi Smith Hayden & Kathy Pogge.

Illustrations by Christi Smith Hayden

ENJOY!
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:25:37 PM
IP: pool0028-max6.ucla-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net