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Real quick:

YAY! We finally got a scanner! Now can anyone share any hints on how to link a pic with your name?
BLUE CAERU> No problem. I'll just look for the SW tests when I have time to waste.

$ RP tomorrow, promise. Hey, SJ, Wilek, if either of you does one, just so you know, I won't be meeting up with you guys until at least my next post.$

Gotta Jet! Go Tribe!
(Four months 'till the new 'Dark Ages' eps!)
Argent (aka Tribe Fanatic)
stable, USA
Sunday, June 6, 1999 08:05:24 PM
IP: dyn032-nas02.marietta.frognet.net

As usual, I've missed a lot, so random responses. :)

SJ << One of DS9's shining moments was that episode starring one of my favorites, Tony Todd, as an adult Jake Sisko trying to save his father from the timestream (I think it was called "The Visitor"?); it was a well-written, well-acted, touching episode. >> Yep, it was "The Visitor," and it's my favorite DS9 episode, with the Dax/Worf wedding right after that on the list (I know some of it was kind of corny, but I loved it, so sue me.) My mother is not a sci-fi buff by any means, although I did manage to get her and my stepdad hooked on Stargate SG-1 when they taped it for me. But when I was watching "The Visitor," she sat down and watched it with me out of curiosity because she recognized Tony Todd. Both of us - me and my mother who never got into Star Trek - were bawling by the end. :)

Robby <<Power Rangers- The really sad thing being in Japan, the stories were actually pretty cool with emotion, plot and drama. I've seen some of the dubs. >> Yes, well, in Haim Saban's little world, emotion, plot, and drama have no place in a children's show. They even desperately tried to use one of the plotlines from the sentai that Lost Galaxy was based on, and while some of that was good (one of the "heroes" spent half the season bent on revenge against the villains even if it meant kicking the Rangers' butts to do it), they kind of fell flat on their face trying to adapt it. I'm sorry, but even though it's a kids' show, a flashback involving the death of a main character's son should not invoke hysterical laughter. My youngest cousin, the newest PR fan, was looking at me like I'd grown a second head.

Doug> "Beneath the Streets" is done? All right!

My own fanfic progress> The Buffy fic that's taken up all my attention is finally progressing very well. However, I'm going to have to drop everything soon to focus on TGS stuff. Hey, a deadline must precede the rantings of the most furious creativity demons!

Dennis Miller> I was digging through all my junk and realized I still have the tapes of his "The Rants" and "Ranting Again." Now that I get my own room at school, I might just get the chance to listen to them once in a while.

DS9 finale> Missed yesterday's airing, so I'm going to program the VCR to tape the 1 am show for a friend. Thanks for reminding me of that. :)
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 08:00:23 PM
IP: p1-49.netgsi.com

**enters the room, switches the candles out, lights the new one, then sits down in the big chair.**

Hockey playoffs: The @$$holes are eliminated! Woo hoo!!

**composes self**

Sorry. But it looks like I stick on your bandwagon for one series more, Kyryn. :)

Shogun: Lance Henriksen can have a similar voice, if it's pitched right and he's not using that scratchy Frank Black whisper, to Keith David at times. Listen to him at the end of Alien^3, and you'll hear it.

Ed: You're quite welcome. And I also feel honored that you picked one of the scenes I wrote as the most shocking of the season (Brooklyn throwing away the Phoenix Gate.).

**tries to avoid weird stares from around the room.** What? I know the benefits of shock value. :)

Pistoff: Hey, it was an easy jump ... you described Otto as a "13 year old pervo horndog." Reubens has proven:
*he can act like a 13 year old, and
*if he wants to be, he can be a pervo horndog. :)

Starsinger: Yikes. Sorry 'bout your delivery troubles. Hope we can help ya get away from them when ya get to Dallas. :)

Durid: Sure, I need one. **tips the candle toward DC, who has now burst into flames.**

Doug: I would imagine that by the time this gets posted Kitainia has already returned to your side. Hope you're feeling better. :)
**looks toward the newly lit candle flame, sighs sadly, then continues**

Wilek, re: G&E: Ehhh ... yes, my friend, you *are* one twisted, twisted garg. And as for that site ... it's not an elaborate joke, they're a Webspace provider.

Deuce: Thanks ... and nice Dennis Miller quote.

DS9: Two reasons why I gave up on this show after a while ... I had no time to watch it, and the writing got neutered. The last ep that I saw that I really liked was the one with Sisko's distorted reality that turned him into a segregation-era sci-fi magazine writer.

G&E arguments: Call me crazy, but I have a mixed reaction to arguments among two characters I like that are deeply in love. On the one hand, I don't like the argument, but on the other I am an absolute *sucker* for when a couple makes up after an argument or a disagreement.

**sighs sadly once more, looking at the candle's flame** I just wish this had been a simple argument and not something else ... **sighs once more and fixates.**


Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, June 6, 1999 07:32:48 PM
IP: modem41.i-is.com

Paul: I meant the whole scene. I agree with you that it's wonderful. Another favorite moment of mine that I forgot to mention is the part in Disc 2 where Fei finds Chu-chu inside the gear hangar. The look on the maintenanace engineer's face (as I imagine it), and the ensuing conversation were hilarious and very well-written. The Gear Hangar, the Aveh Palace, Deus's Final Dungeon, Zeboim, Shevat, the Goliath Factory, and Krelian's Lab Complex are probably my favorite areas in the game. :)

Blue: No problem at all, glad you stayed up for and enjoyed the work.
Doug
Sunday, June 6, 1999 06:51:33 PM
IP: pool-207-205-236-175.dlls.grid.net

Well, if anyone is interested, I'm ready to collect on that bet. The truck didn't arrive until 2 p.m.. At least I had Pete for a driver. That man actually listens when you tell him what order you need something brought in. I called looking for the truck and it was at one point MIA. They knew it should be at stop 4 but wasn't at stop 3 and they couldn't locate the driver. Why was I not surprised?? Long, long day. Oh well, there's always tommorrow. And let's not forget Tuesday's another delivery day.

I too, love the arguements between Goliath and Elisa. Yes, they love each other, and yes, they are raised totally differently with different outlooks and priorities. Goliath with his 10th century upbringing and Elisa with her 20th century upbringing, add the species thing, the male/female thing and I truly wouldn't want to get in the middle of one of their 'discussions'. Look at the misunderstandings between Brooklyn and Sata when faced with something different (like Gwen) or something that sets off the culture flage between them. They're even the same species and only six centuries apart

Later world.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 06:50:47 PM
IP: proxy-513.public.rwc.webtv.net

Jenniren> Seems the law that cannot be broken has had the crap bent out of it when it was convienent for certain fey. The point was no matter how you cut it, Elisa was used. This could possibly lead to Elisa turning her back on the fey, and refusing her help when needed. Titania has a problem brewing that could have repercussions don't the road if titania is not careful. And don't forget Garlon is out there, he might very well cause trouble by seeing to it Elisa does learn Titania refused to heal her. Adjust the telling a little bit, and you have fertile grounds for trouble.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 05:38:02 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp23.fltg.net

Okay I scrolled down and read most of the posts from this week. haha I don't mind Puck/Owen being dead that much. I happen to know my favorite character won't die till May 20, 2255. One thing though hehe and you gonna love this I hope:_________WARNING: suggestion for a RP (:P)__In history MacBeth killed Duncan's father Crinan at Dunkeld church. I think a particular talking cat drove him to it. Blast you Grimalkin you Unseelie beast :P. Well I think the guilt from this is maybe what drove him historically to spend a week in Rome in 1050 tosses money to church and peasents alike like rain._______END suggestion for a RP___.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, June 6, 1999 05:05:43 PM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

Deuce> You said: "Of course, the bleeding wound idea makes Jackal's little fantasy in "The Green" excessively disturbing...."
Someone asked that question in Ask Greg (i.e. what would have happened if Jackal had carried out his fantasy?). The reply was simply that Goliath would have died. I need to go back and reread Ask Greg to see if I can find that question about gargoyles' ability to heal. Not that TGS follows Greg's vision of Gargoyles in all respects, but it's a good starting point.

Todd> Thanks for the information on Trivia. I didn't know Trivia existed outside Disney's Hercules. (No I didn't intend to make that pun, but there it is anyway.)

Gyre> I don't think Titania used Elisa as a test of Demona's redemption. I think she used the situation to force Demona to realize that the clan needed Elisa and that Elisa's death in this manner wasn't really what Demona wanted. Of course Elisa doesn't know that. And if one of the clan informs Elisa that Titania refused to heal her (I'm not sure Elisa was conscious when Titania voiced her refusal) then Elisa might well be upset. This reminds me of the ep where Madoc (or maybe it was Maeve) referred to Goliath as "Oberon's pet gargoyle." It seems to me that Goliath is more like Titania's gargoyle because it is HER daughter and grandson Goliath protects. And Titania knows that Goliath and Elisa are a team and that Elisa's death would seriously compromise Goliath's competence as a protector. He'd be too broken up about it. So, even though she would have wanted to, Titania couldn't intervene directly to save Elisa because of Oberon's law. And her assistance by influencing Demona will have to remain secret. Even Demona doesn't realize Titania intervened. I suspect by this time a lot of the gargoyles are miffed at the Seelies for not helping out more and this may cause problems in gargoyle/fey and human/fey relations in the future. The nature of Oberon's law is a little hard to understand. The fey CAN'T break it. It's not like your Momma telling you not to do something and you can go and do it anyway when she's not looking. It's more like a spell on you so you can't do it. Fey can only find ways around it, as Titania, Coyote, Grandmother, the Japanese Seelie we saw in Darkest Hour, and Puck have done. They can say or do things to influence mortals to act in ways which will accomplish the desired outcome, but the feys can't do the thing themselves. When Titania refused to help Elisa, Oberon was standing right next to her, and Titania was not about to let Oberon see her disobey his law either directly or indirectly.

Harthoth as a villain> I think he's more of an antagonist than an outright evil villain. Whatever he is, I like him and hope to see more of him.

I think having Vinnie eps once in a while would be fun. I enjoyed his occasional appearances on the TV series. A miniseries like Ed suggested sounds good.

***Spoilers - Events from past eps mentioned***
I enjoy the Goliath/Elisa arguments better than the love scenes. I like Goliath and Elisa is OK, but when everything is all lovey-dovey between them I just think it's boring. When they have arguments it points out the differences between the way they think, what they think is most important, what their priorities are, etc. Like the way they disagreed on whether the gargoyles should cause a citywide power outage so the Lethe spell on Demona would be broken. For some reason Elisa was convinced that a 10 second blackout would cause massive riots in New York City (huh?) or something but Goliath insisted on helping Demona. Was Elisa really concerned about riots or was that just an excuse for leaving Demona ignorant and "nice." Again when Elisa insisted on sharing information with Dracon while Goliath wanted nothing to do with him. (Wasn't it one of the guns that Dracon had distributed that saved Morgan and that other cop from the Halflings?) I think Goliath/Elisa disagreements/fights are more interesting to read than endless kissy-poo. :Ž (S.J. has already provided us with an excellent example of kissy-poo ;)
***End Spoilers***

Jackal> I'm glad to know you took my comment the right way. I was afraid people in here would chew me out for putting that image in their heads. ;P

Arcology. What does it mean? It wasn't in my 3-inch-thick dictionary. But today I thought to look it up on an online dictionary and came up with the following definition:

arcology: the fusion of architecture with ecology

Nice word to find in a story about the future. I had wrongfully assumed it meant the same thing as architecture. The ecology aspect adds another element to the description.

I found it at the wwftd Dictionary at
http://members.aol.com/tsuwm/wwftds.htm
...which seems to have a lot of interesting words.

Want to know what wwftd means? Click my name and follow the "wwftd??" link.


Jenniren
Sunday, June 6, 1999 04:24:57 PM
IP: user-2ivf0b6.dialup.mindspring.com

Yes Ed. Here's my MacBeth webpage everyone. Click link
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, June 6, 1999 04:24:53 PM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

Paul Allan Nathans: (Harthoth) I think the jury’s still out myself. He’s certainly villainous in many of his actions. Not being especially rigorous about the meaning, I’d say he’s a villain.
(Demona) Your ‘spectrum dancing’ attitude towards Demona is interesting. But it’s all so subjective. Her colour would be a lot darker in Goliath’s eyes than (say) the New Olympians. (probably).

Jenniren: Nifty idea. Although possibly a present day one would incorporate past stuff via flashbacks, while a past one could not include present-day stuff…

Robby: Yeah, the attention to detail with all the little characters on the screen where Brooklyn has loads of familiar scenes is fantastic :) As for the Adventures of Vinnie. I honestly think it would make a fairly good mini-series. Maybe a 4-6 story run? :) Or even a Timedancer/Vinnie crossover 3-part story as Brooklyn appears all along Vinnie’s lifespan for… “The Life and Times of Vinnie”!

*notes the reaction of Robby and Stephen to the new series discussions* What a web of deception… ;)

James: Really? Me too.

Blue Caeru: You’re right it is pretty quiet. (for this place). I find it actually nicer when there are less posts and I lose track less easily. It’s a damn good job the S8 servers were made faster (or whatever he did to them) a little while before this room was created or it would be impossible to get the entire room before you’d read CONSEQUENCES from start to finish :)
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Sunday, June 6, 1999 03:01:06 PM
IP: p05-cacique-gui.tch.virgin.net

*wanders into the CR and looks around*

No new posts in the past 5 hours? Wow...

Doug> *g* Yes, I'm a fast skimmer. But it was late at night when I read your fanfic and I was tired, so if you quizzed me as to what exactly happened in the story, I wouldn't be able to remember a lot of it. But I do remember that it was a good piece of writing, so please don't feel offended. :-)

*wanders back out of the CR*
Blue Caeru
Sunday, June 6, 1999 01:51:43 PM
IP: spider-tr081.proxy.aol.com

Not too much commentary here:

Oberon-Yes, he knew fey could perish, but knowing, and not seeing, after 11,000 years, that fey could perish, made Madoc losing his life that much shocking to him. Thus, what I feel is stage one of possible character development on his part.

XENOGEARS:
Doug-No complaints here, but some commentary.
By the 'Fei and Elly kissing', did you mean the whole scene when he's talking to her before the kiss, or just the kiss? I loved the whole scene, as well as the talk before on the Yggdrasil. Then again, from the battle with Hammer onwards to when Deus begins terraforming was nonstop enjoyment, and I loved every minute of it. Some more than most, like the Zohar Showdown, and the final Fei/Grahf/Lacan Showdown. Then it was back to normal 'as normal as you get in XENOGEARS' until entering the 'outer Deus Core' to see the four support orbs and Deus. Of course, everything in XENOGEARS is incredible, anyway, but those are my favorites.
Also, as for Grahf/Lacan showing up with his "Do you want the power?" those are more favs'. As is the Finale for Disk 2.
Also, I'd figured out ever since I saw the red Gear storming the Gebler Ships after Fei had been apparently losing it again, and no explanation as to what happened, that the red-haired male was Fei.
Finally, when Khan perished, I think that was more of Grahf/Lacan perishing. One of my friends noticed some significance in his parting shot. After all his time of taunting Fei of not having the ability to do anything, he finally has to say 'I'm begging you'.
Those weren't the exact words of my friend, of course.

Seeing as how you're good with Crossovers, presumedly, I haven't read anything yet, simply because I don't like Crossovers, here's one. The Eldridge could be associated with far-future Earth. How about Brooklyn and Sata ending up on the Eldridge at the time of the Abel Contact leading up to the destruction of the Eldridge?
Sound good.
By the way, obviously, the Fanfictions at the Site I gave the Link to can't compare to the real Video Game. No story I've read or seen anywhere has yet been able to.

Demona-Yes, she's not really good, or evil. There's really no good, and evil. I'm not saying 'shades of gray', like Jewel Faulkner is, although its nice to know someone else knows. Gray would be near the center. If using colors, I'd give a full spectrum. Demona is one of those who seems to be really 'dancing those colors'.
Patrick, I wasn't just referring to Demona talking to herself with the compliments, though. I was referring to the start, which is probably my favorite part of the whole Demona parts, where she actually realizes her reason for fighting.

THE DARKEST HOUR: Maybe I was a bit high with my praise, I considered it carefully, and then reconsidered it after sending its post. I'll rephrase that statement. It could rise above the three Stories I'd mentioned, or it could be alongside them, or below. It still stands that it won't touch REBORN AGAIN, or XENOGEARS, though.

"Live!!"-Memory of Sophia
"Very well. I will live, eternally, until the end of time. And if this world isn't destroyed by then, I will destroy it with my own hands!!"-Lacan
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 08:31:37 AM
IP: 171.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Seriously, unless the Elisa, and Goliath bit moves forward, Elisa is in danger of becoming a static character as Demona once was with her schemes to destroy humanity. And the Titania's calous use of Elisa mearly as a test of Demona's redemption has got to come back and haunt the fey queen at some point. If the fey are part of the mix, then they are in all the way, and that inclueds being any negative results that flow from their actions, or manipulations.For Elisa this could mean telling Titania to go where the sun don't shine when, and if Elisa's help is needed. For Garlon, this represents a chance to drive a rift into the clan, a possible line of attack. Either way, this is a problem brewing that I hope the TGS staff has given thought to, and I would like to see future stories that address this. Titania has taken Elisa for granted, and that is not a wise thing for anyone to do.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 06:57:34 AM
IP: genv-124ppp117.epix.net

I read Crosswords part 2
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, June 6, 1999 06:55:46 AM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

Oh yes I finished Dakest hour part 2. I have read all of Gargoyles. All that remains now is Crossworlds episodes of Timedancer
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, June 6, 1999 05:07:54 AM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

It's 3:30 in the morning, but this is probably the last time I'll be on line till some time monday, so here goes. I have several people to answer, and I can't remember who they are, so I'm just putting down my responses, and you all can sort them out.

-The Perils of Vinnie- The first season wasn't really a parody of anything specific, but bad spy/cop movies were what I was thinking about. The second season was a parody of Highlander, and the third was a parody of X-files. Those ideas came to me while I was writing the first one. I made them up as I went along.

-Gargoyles 2K- I didn't really intend for that to be the name. I just couldn't recall the date in the future episodes and in Future Tense (2158, right?) Actually, I like Gargoyles: New Millenium or Gargoyles: Future Shock.

-New Olympians- Jenniren's idea of setting the series in the past is cool. That eleminates most of the problems, and creates a new and interesting setting.

-New Series- I really don't think we need a whole lot more, except that Arthur deserves a whole series to himself. Sharing one with the Gargoyles is undignified. I'd be more interested in "movies" or "mini-series" that used some of these ideas in a limited way, but didn't have to be sustained for several years.

I suppose this probably means I should start thinking about a Vinnie: the Movie fanfic, but don't hold your breath. I have other stuff to do first. If anyone else is up for the task, by all means go for it.
David G. - [david_goodner]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, June 6, 1999 04:36:13 AM
IP: pppa40-fortworthb6-1r523.saturn.bbn.com

Blue: My goodness, you are one fast reader! <grin> Thanks for the positive feedback, glad you enjoyed the story.

Later,
Doug
Sunday, June 6, 1999 03:25:32 AM
IP: pool-207-205-151-182.dlls.grid.net

SJ: Yup, "The Visitor" was a very cool episode. One of the best was "Duet," from the first season. Harris Yulin stole every scene he was in. And the ending of that ep was sooo un-Star Trek. The DS9 writers had balls, back then.

A while back I heard rumors about a series of DS9 movies being in the planning stages. All I can say about that is ... Oh gawd! The horror! the horror!

JackaL: Hudson using profanity? Cool! Y'know, I bet Hudson knows a lot of 10th-century Gaelic curses, absolutely vicious ones. It'd be fun to hear him using those, because it wouldn't be out of character for him at all. I can just see him hurling some of these epithets at the TV when the dish loses the signal from the satellite ....

A while back somebody in here mentioned that a woman was almost cast as Jar Jar Binks. That got me to thinking ... hmm ... a female Jar Jar ... okay, sure, I'd do her.

**shrugs** I'm flexible .... ;)
Pistoff - [pistoff@anti-social.com]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 02:02:21 AM
IP: wire-6.koalas.com

** Deuce runs in... wet. And it's quarter to midnight. **

What can I say? It's raining HARD, and it's still really warm from the day, and... it reminds me of California....

I only get sentimental and gooshy about two things: Love and California. It's true.

Robby> ["Picard became a Borg, and was fine the next week."] I dunno; "Family" had him— and the _Enterprise_— coping with the mental and physical damage. But I agree with a lot of the other things. "Star Trek" has never been too good for continuity. TGS on the other hand....

Durid> That was an RP-only post. That was not good. Do not repeat. Thank you. :-)

Wilek> ["...what exactly was that particular fantasy?"] Jackal sprouted a chisel and re-carved Goliath's face to be an exact copy of his own.

G & E> I say it should be there, but more in the background. Occasional stories like "Nocturne" are great, but if every episode becomes that, it starts to... *cough*... suck. Heh.

"I think the American people would deify the first President who got up in front of a podium and said… [long, dramatic pause]… 'She blew me! In fact, she's blowin' me right now! But enough about me, let's talk about cutting- [shudder]- your taxes.'" - Dennis Miller
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 01:51:33 AM
IP: pppa85.connect.ab.ca

Instead of doing the responsible and mature thing, namely study for my finals. I'm going to blow off steam about DS9. So watch out kiddies.
*************** DS9 Finale Spoilers*******************

I'm in the same group that found this disappointing. Some of it I was expecting. I could never compare DS9 and B5, because they are two distinct series. B5 was an epic in the true sense of the word. It took place over a large period of time and encompassed many lives. DS9 is episodic much like a sitcom or a drama. Part of that episodic nature is that there is little continuity. So for those who've argued about the characters getting knocked down and back up next week, I agree, but what can you expect.

The only good was that it did wrap up the loose ends. I'm disappointed that I wasn't surprised. The greatest climatic scenes are stuff i would never have guessed. The conclusion of Q's trial in TNG was good, what Picard figured out was great. DS9, however, *so* predictable. Worf should have taken the Chancellorship when he had the chance. How many times is he going to throw away opportunity? And Damar should not have died. After the amount of development and hope of a new Cardassia, killing him nullified my concern for them as a people. And the fight between Sisko and Gul Dukat, I was expecting a *whole* lot more than just tumbling into the fire. I thought this was going to be a titanic battle. The climatic contest of wills that make good storytelling. Instead he just served his role as the emissary, just being there to do his little task. In a way it's anticlimatic that all this lead up to was one small action. From this little blue dragon's standpoint the struggle between good and evil isn't about doing, it's about being. And I wanted Kai Winn to get her come-uppens, but I was expecting more from the poetic justice department.

I think I've spewed enough venom on this.

********************End of Spoilers********************
My one big hope is that with all these shows going off the air, the field is clear for something new and refreshing. I'm hoping for a few more shows like Stargate, Buffy and Sports Night. I'm hoping for sci-fi that explores who we are not just the next alien species. Fantasy that offers kick-butt action with quirkiness, wit and charm. And drama that offers food for thought.

Elisa and Goliath romance> *Jumps in the audience crowd* Yeah, lets some more Goliath and Elisa romance. *Quickly jumps back to this side before anyone notices* One of the myths I'm trying to debunk is that once your in love the stories over. This is an old wound from Moonlighting. The writers strike certainly hastened it's demise, but once those two got together the show fell apart. I think we can keep their relationship interesting without going to the paperback romance 'My love' every other sentence. Now if only I had a barrel of mead, an Egyptian love goddess and a forty foot statue, then we could have some fun. *shrugs* Oh, well.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Sunday, June 6, 1999 01:40:28 AM
IP: ced60-90.ced.csupomona.edu

Sorry for the 2X post, but click my name. I'm still not sure if it isn't an elaborate joke.
Wilek again
Sunday, June 6, 1999 01:39:53 AM
IP: tnt-1-147-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**RP!**

[From the Avatar Of Ganon, Agent Rho is surveying the battlefield at Crown Point, knowing that the army there is ready for anything Thailog can throw at them...Khesaat: "Sir, I'm picking up a small Imperial fleet headed for...Chicago, Illinois?" Rho: "Hm...what could Thailog want with Chicago?" Khesaat: "Not a clue, although I wouldn't know as much about this world as you would, seeing as it's not my homeworld." Rho: "Hm...what exactly is Thailog sending to Chicago?" Khesaat: "Scanning...three Imperial-class star destroyers and two Victory-class, with their standard complement of support craft." Rho: "Is that all? Send the Executor-class star destroyer we assimilated a few weeks ago; the Administrator's assimilation torpedoes should make short work of *that* little nuisance. Send along another Executor, just in case. Anything more would be like swatting a fly with a shot from a blaster rifle--satisfying, but ultimately a foolish waste of resources. <blink> I think I've been working with the Administrator too long."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Spinoffs> I think I'm undecided...the series set in the future would be kewl, but so would either of the other two (the fates know, we need to hear from Fang a tad more often). But...I really prefer the name 'Redemption Squad' to 'Bad Guys'. No offense to whoever, but the former name really does have a nicer ring to it.

Goliath and Elisa's Relationship> Heh heh heh. Here's where I get to show y'all how twisted I am: in my ficverse, in the unlikely event that the two ever get around to <ahem> being physical, one will die in the process and the other won't realize it until it's all over. I'm a sick, sick little garg.

Gunjack> <<Also, IMHO, this constitutes senseless cruelty to the characters in question.>> You say that like it's a bad thing. >:) <<Has anybody here heard of revengefics?>> No, but they sound interesting. :) <<On a lighter note, I remember some talk several years ago about a Disney Afternoon series called Villains that was in the works. It was supposed to star All of the prominent Disney villains, from Pete to Cruella DeVille to Shere Khan.>> Woah...that sounds so kewl! Were they going to use the animal Shere Khan from the jungle book or the humanoid one from TaleSpin (the only real difference being that the latter wears clothing and runs a large company)? <<The year is... oh, aroyund the time of Requiem. Demona is lonely, and sick of watching all her loved ones pass away. But her clan loves her, and would hate to see her die. Is there a solution that will leave everyone happy?>> Make everyone immortal?

Deuce> <<My mom seems to think that preventing my access to the computers at home will stop me from using all computers. Hehehe....>> FIGHT THE POWER! YEAH! <ahem> What the...?! <<Then we'd have Elisa beating the you-know out of Titainia with an iron chain and those boots.>> A chain and boots? Oh, nothing so mundane; try...hm...on second thought, maybe I'd better not say it in here...<<I would love to see someone scrawl on a stone Gargoyle with Magic Marker>> Xanatos: "Owen, take a memo..." Owen: "I...seem to have forgotten my notepad." Xanatos: "Borrow my marker; Goliath will never know..." <<Of course, the bleeding wound idea makes Jackal's little fantasy in "The Green" excessively disturbing....>> I haven't seen that ep in *way* too long...what exactly was that particular fantasy?

Robby> <<The really sad thing being in Japan, the stories were actually pretty cool with emotion, plot and drama>> So I've heard. I seem to remember something about Bandora, the Japanese Rita, having a son who the Rangers kidnapped for some reason? Or am I just getting things mixed up again?

Argent> <<Oh, and BTW, don't you guys think Star Warsians sounds better then Star Warsies?>> Better still, how about Star Warriors? <sudden despairing expression> By the Dragon, forget I said that; it's just too dang corny...

Theresa> <<The bodies will be put in the dumpster. Trash pick up on Monday>> Better quicklime them first to remove fingerprints; I learned that the hard way.

GXB> <<Its funny to watch people with dignity act silly.>> I don't know...I was *real* disappointed with Disney's version of Hades. Here I was expecting something like a cross between Scar and Darth Vader (can't you just see an anthropomorphic Scar in Egyptian Sith attire?), and I got Helios' (I think that was his name; the New Olympian whose head was on fire) sleazy brother-in-law who sells used cars. Eesh.

SJ> A Tale Of Terror...I encounter that all the time in the DirecTv movie listings. (Which reminds me, I'm missing their anime of the week. Dangit.) I was wondering if anyone else had heard of it. I notice that it's rated R...is that just for violence? <evil grin> <<I've always been kind of a sucker for dark fairy tales, ever since I was given a book way back when on the "real" Grimm's fairy tales--very dark and disturbing tales, indeed. Little Red Riding Hood gets eaten by the wolf, Snow White has no Prince Charming to save her from a cold death, etc. They're better than the nursery tales, that's for sure!>> I remember putting weird twists on fairy tales myself, when I was younger. I remember remixing 'Little Red Riding Hood' into a version where, instead of a lumberjack, the hero was a good wolf, an enforcer from some wolf law inforcement agency, who was sent to hunt down the bad wolf, who was some manner of criminal, for crimes against wolfdom or some such. They had Russian names for some reason, and it all took place on some alternate Earth where all the wolves came from Japan or something. I was young then, so it's lame. (At least I was able to salvage *something* from that primitive ficverse: remember the Mage Knights from This Ascension?) I also made the hunter from Snow White a sentient falcon instead of a human. I was a weird kid. (Like I'm normal now.)

$Doug> Er...minor bit: I don't know about Forfexx's clone, but 'Fexx himself doesn't exactly have what could be called a face; rather, he has a mask, something like Vega's from Street fighter. :) <<I'll let you write that RP, if you don't mind>> Sure thing! :D $

**RESUME RP!**

[Back at the secret headquarters, WF3 is arguing with Thailog. Thailog: "I don't care *who* died, you are far too important in a command capacity to allow into a full-scale battle! The only reason I let you fight the Ravens is because most of my rank-and-file troops were too inept to pull off such a job and I don't have all that many elite warriors!" WF3: "But my brother and I are clan! Family!" Thailog: "And what of your master print and his 'brother'? You want to kill them, and you seem to have no objection to my desire to do the same!" WF3: "They betrayed us! But Fieger I supported us! He was loyal to us!" Thailog: "You've never been this hung up on honor and loyalty before." WF3: "It's never been an issue before! Cheating and lying and infiltrating one's enemies is one thing, but one's own blood must be honored--and in this case, the only proper honor is vengeance!" Thailog: "Why do I get the feeling that Sevarius made you a tad too similar to your master print. Alright. Go to Crown Point and try to avenge your brother. Don't crawl to my staff for medical attention when you come back in a body bag." WF3 storms off.]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, June 6, 1999 01:32:05 AM
IP: tnt-1-147-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

<<I think Jar Jar would chew it up and swallow it. Is that really what you want?>>
Hehehe, that's funny!! Then I'd have nothing to lose getting a sex change operation, hehehe. Bobbit who?! Fool, we talkin about Jar Jar! hehehe :o) Nevermind....

I couldn't help but read "Demon Whispers" and I gotta ask..., Christine, is that a morbid fantasy of yours? You know what I mean? Of course it excited me...hehehee.

<<if Goliath ever did use the F word, it would be one helluva shock>>
I'd like to hear from Hudson. That'd be funny! And I'd pay good money for Goliath to say, "Abso-f***in-lutely, totally bitchin, dude." And yes..., Elisa is very annoying, she's too good. She's an NYPD cop!!! There's evil in there somewhere, let it out! Because she's a COP!! ::ahem:: Anyway..., I'd also like to hear Broadway say, "Do I make you horny, baby?" or "M-o-o-n, that spells.... awww sh*t."
JackaL
Sunday, June 6, 1999 01:13:24 AM
IP: spider-wk074.proxy.aol.com

Doug> Just read your fanfic. It never ceases to amaze me how you can integrate so many different "universes." *g* I liked the religious aspects you put in your story. Good plot development.

Star Wars, the great space opera: *g* I think most of them are just rumors... heck, before TPM came out, there were LOTS of erroneous and strange rumors.

E & G: Hmm... no comment at this time. :-) But when was the last time we saw Angela and Broadway go on a "date?"
Blue Caeru
Sunday, June 6, 1999 12:55:36 AM
IP: spider-wi021.proxy.aol.com

I finished the Night of the Weird. Main room is my link
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, June 6, 1999 12:04:48 AM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

**RP WARNING**

In the mid-Atlantic ocean, a huge gate opens and several Star Destroyers fly out. They cloak instantly and begin heading towards Chicago, ready to execute Guod and Admiral Nipon's diversion plan.

The display changes to the Iowa road where the Ravens are still fighting their latest battle. Evil Forfexx has just leapt into the Onslaught's trailer and is now engaging several of the party with his many razor-sharp metal appendages. Orion and Shap block the many slashes and swings, noticing that Forfexx's evil clone is neither as creative or cruel as the original Forfexx. The clone keeps attacking them, no emotion on its face other than determination. This changes to disbelief as Elena throws an energy beam at it and cuts a hole clean through its chest. Boris backs her up with a bazooka shot, blowing Forfexx into a million pieces. Lathrop waits until they rejoin and then vaporizes the resulting puddle with a spell of extreme heat. "Good job!" Doug calls back to them as he and Kitainia continue their gun battle with Hades and WF1. Doug makes a CR post as the battle goes on.

**PAUSE RP**

Hi everyone. Hope you all are having a good weekend. I'll have a better one when Kitainia gets back tomorrow, but today was a good day. :)

Fanfic Progress: I finished "Beneath the Streets" today, and posted it at GFW. Hope everyone reads it and enjoys. I will also appreciate feedback on this story. Speaking of feedback, I still don't have any of the comments I was promised from a certain person. He knows who he is.

**BEGIN MILD SPOILERS/REVIEW FOR THE SMALLPRESS FILM DESERT BLUE**

Saw this movie last night. Would have been more enjoyable to see it with Kitainia, but since I was bored and needed something to do,...:)
I actually enjoyed the movie very much so. It had a good plot, with very well-written mystery, character development, setting, and other stuff. There were also good preformances from Brendan Sexton, Kate Hudson, Christina Ricci, and the other actors and actresses involved. The movie didn't really have any big overall point, but I wasn't looking for one. There weren't any cool special effects either, but that was no problem since this movie didn't need them. It had very good acting, characters and script. I give it 4/5 stars, thumbs up. Too bad it was the only good movie that came out this weekend.

Next weekend will be another story- Kit and I will go see Austin Powers 2.

**END SPOILERS/REVIEW, ON TO REPLIES**

<<a CR dweller remaking the world in his/her own image may be a good thing.>> I don't know if I'd have the wisdom and intelligence needed to remake the world into a better place. If anyone who reads this has these qualities as well as the power and will necessary to change the world for the better, I wish them good luck.

Crash31: Welcome to the CR. Hope you and our other recent newcomers enjoy it here.

Ed: Good comments on Timedancer season 2 overall. I agree with all your awards.

Christine: That was one hell of a naughty story. Possibly your most wicked one yet. :) Thanks for the entertainment!

New Series: I don't think TGS needs one personally. If they break Pendragon back off from Gargoyles, and concentrate on the series they have, they'll do fine. Here's hoping we get some new Timedancer and Dark Ages episodes real soon!

SJ: $ Don't worry, you should get your chance to rescue him. I'll try to make sure you do either before or while they're launching the assimilation missiles. Thanks for not getting mad about my moving ahead on what I thought was a neglected thread, hope you get back to and finish your Oz bit soon so I can start doing my major plans. <grin> $ Thanks also for recommending a film I shall check out very soon.

Wilek: $ Okay, thanks. I think I'll kill off WF1. Then I'll let WF3 go revenge-crazy and later get assimiliated by your Borg (I'll let you write that RP, if you don't mind). For further details, see the RP below. $

Happy belated birthday Keith David!!

Paul: Thought that was it. Okay, here goes:
Favorite Moments- Any character development moments for Fei, Elly, or Citan; the religious debates that occur between Billy, Jessie, and Stein; Fei's talks with Krelian about humanity and what it means to be alive. Also the part where Elly helps Fei and Rico save Nortune from the falling ship-bomb, the battle between Seibzehn and Achtzehn, the Fei-Ramsus fight on Babel Tower, Fei and Elly's kiss and subsequent you-know-what, Erich's brave sacrifice, and the beautifully animated ending scene.
Least Favorite Moments- The parts when Grahf makes a bad guy even more dangerous with his power, the death of Alice and Timothy, the death of Khan, the part where Citan betrays the party, the part where Elly gets posessed by Miang, any moment of sudden unexplained confusion in the storyline (most of these involve Id). I also didn't like it when Fei forced Elly to stay out of the action (you hardly get to use her in disk 2, and IMO, that's not a good thing), or when Fei was locked up by Queen Zephyr because of his psychotic alter-ego Id.
Those latter moments made for a more realistic and meaningful story, I know. But that doesn't mean I have to like them, right? :)

Gunjack Valentine: Thanks for making me laugh with that funny Cyrano skit.

Stephen: Glad you've made progress on your novel. I wish you continued good luck with it. $ BTW, is there anything major you want me to do with your character in the RP? $

Pistoff: You're welcome. I too hope Highlander 4 makes sense.

Argent: Welcome back! And good luck on your remaining exams.

Okay, guess that's all for tonight. Later!

**RP RESUMES**

Doug turns back to the fighting, just in time to watch Kitainia fire a rocket into the passenger side of Hades' Range Rover, shattering the windshield and causing Hades to leap out and roll to the side of the road. Jaden's nemesis shakes his fist at the Onslaught as it leaves him behind. WF1 remains trapped in the burning vehicle, which explodes and consumes him in a roar of flame. "Your sister killed my brother!" Wilek Fieger III rants at Stephanie, gaining a new vigor as he sweeps his sword to first disarm her and knock her down. Keith leaps up out of the trailer's top hatch and throws a ninja star to disarm WF3, preventing him from giving Stephanie the coup de gras. Laser fire suddenly rains down from overhead, coming from some scout ships from the army with which Agent Rho has fortified Crown Point. "Too late!" WF3 screams. "We're too late to finish them!" Storm Eagle swoops down and picks him up by the arms. "We may have failed this time, Ravens!" she calls. "But there will be another battle! We shall yet avenge our dead families! Be warned!!" The laser fire begins flashing through the air directly beside her, and Storm Eagle is forced to soar away at incredible speed. Doug watches her go and then grabs the truck's CB radio mike. "Thanks, Agent Rho," he says. "We picked you up on radar," Rho says. "Looked like you might need some help." "We did. Thanks for sending some." "Is everyone alright?" "I think so," Doug says. "We're coming into Crown Point, okay? Meet you outside of City Hall." "Got it," Rho replies. "See you in a few minutes." Doug hangs up the mike and begins checking his friends for wounds as the screen goes blank.

**END RP AND POST**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 11:50:46 PM
IP: pool-207-205-148-71.dlls.grid.net

Just a quick post to let you know I'm still alive. And do something I forgot to do on my last post. ...Now where is DC?

***DC RP***
"Ah, there you are, I've been looking for you!" DC starts looking around for a quick escape. "Oh don't worry, I'm not going to turn you into a doe again. In fact, I am here to thank you!" and Durid holds out his hand.

DC looks incrusably at the extended hand, mouth open in shock, "I upgraded my computer not only with a new Modem, but a Sound Card as well. You did not cause me the least bother with that, though I am sure you were really tempted. It must have taken alot of effort not to mess with my computer when I did that! Congrulations, you are improving!"

DC shakes himself, smiles in relief, and a little pride. He extends his own hand into Durid's and ZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAP!!!! DC's entire body starts shakeing uncontroabily as the 300,000+ volts runs trough it.

"However, since then my computer has compleatly frozen up when I disconnected from the net several times. And sounds I could play on my computer before have just disappeared, and my Printer is acting funny." Durid smiles pleasantly as DC starts smokeing, "So this little joybuzzer spell should teach you not to do that again..... Um, you can let go now, I'm not holding on to you anymore. DC... DC!!!" DC just continues shaking from the electric currant running through him.

Durid slaps his head in sudden realization, "DOH! I forgot, electircty makes every muscle in your body clench up. You can't let go, can't you?" DC's entire body is still smokeing and shakeing, but his head goes back and forth more than the rest of him. "Oh no, I'm going to have to stand here until you combust, won't I. Eh, sorry DC, this is alot more severe than I had planned." DC suddenly bursts into flame. "Uh, anyone need a light?"
**end DC RP.***
Durid the Druid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Saturday, June 5, 1999 11:35:58 PM
IP: dialupd246.mpls.uswest.net

DS9 finale- Maybe its because I haven't been spoiled by Babylon 5 like everyone else in here apparently has, but I rather enjoyed the final episode of this. Just about everyone was focused on, and there was a true final episode feel unlike TNG's final episode. As far as some of the deaths being pointless, well, that how deaths usually are. They can't always be grand affairs that have an entire episode building up to them. And the characters did evolve over the course of the series and have continuity, though they didn't plan ahead in early seasons and so screwed up in that department then. (Of course, Next Generation was actually worse about this. Worf broke his friggin BACK in one episode and was ine the next week. Picard became a Borg, and was fine the next week. Picard spent 40 years in 40 minutes and was fine the next week. At least DS9 tried...) Ah well, I'm not going to bother saying anything else on the episode or pointing out the good points or defending the show since everyone else in here hated it, actually watched it and isn't basing their opinions on assumptions, it would just be a waste of everyone's time to say more.

Of course, now that DS9, Hercules, Xena, and Beastwars have ended, no new episodes of Dragonball Z seem to be coming, and War Planets and all the WB shows are reruns... I have nothing to watch all summer, and none of my shows are returning next year. Hmm... Guess I'll start spending my time on something else...

Stephan- Congrats on your first chapter!

Argent- I don't know who does the voices of Piccolo or Vageta. All the names are listed at once, and not by character. I suppose I could find out tho...

Entity- Well, with the killings of Tasha Yar and Jadzia, keep in mind the actresses were leaving the series without much advance warning. The writers had only a little time to doctor their scripts. (Granted, Jadzia could have died fighting rather than being hit by a fireball...)And Tasha Yar's death was largely pointless for two reasons. One, the actress didn't want to do an entire extra episode, and they wanted to prove that if minor side characters can die pointlessly, so can main characters.
Robby
Saturday, June 5, 1999 11:15:50 PM
IP: spider-wo081.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP!!!!****
With a triumphant cheer, the heroes defeat the last of the Brujah vampires. The battle, while difficult, went remarkably well--everyone came out of it with a minimum of injuries. Scarecrow was actually the worse for wear; during the course of the fight, a bit of his stuffing was knocked out, but other than that little loss of dignity, he was fine. Everyone prepared themselves for the true battle that lay ahead--the assault on Eisner himself.
Hesistantly, they marched through the city streets until they approached a large palace. It had been beautiful once, carved entirely out of glittering emeralds. Now, it had been corrupted by the darkness that infested it like a cancer. The green was covered with an oily blackness which moved in the night, that seemed to undulate like a snake. Slowly, they approached the gates to the palace, huge doors stained with blood.
"Okay," Giles was telling them. "From here on, things will get rather ugly."
"I haven't exactly noticed an abundance of sunshine already, Giles," SJ muttered.
"Yes, well things will be even more unpleasant. Eisner is the master vampire here, the elder or prince of the city. He will be immensely powerful, and will be no doubt heavily guarded. This is a battle we may not be able to walk away from."
"We have no choice," Wilek says bitterly. "Eisner knows where SJ's dad is, but more importantly, he may have Argent and her draco!" He flexes his muscles, readying his talons for the fight. "We're going to have to take him out!"
****END RP****

Hey guys, I gotta recommend a real good movie to you. It may seem a little weird....you see, the film is SNOW WHITE.
Not the cartoon. It's title is "Snow White: A Tale of Terror", and it's one awesome gothic horror film made a couple of years ago. It stars Sigourney Weaver, Sam Neill, and Monica Keenan (of Dawson's Creek fame). It's the same theme really--stepmother uses her sorcery to attempt to kill beautiful stepdaughter--but it's a very well done film. The plot is very interesting and well-written, with certain twists to the old legend (for instance, Weaver, who plays the stepmother, doesn't turn evil until her pregnant child is born stillborn and she goes mad with grief; another twist is that the 7 dwarves aren't dwarves, but miners, and one of them finds romance with Snow White). All in all, it is a wonderful film, very dark and gothic, with good writing, great acting, and some very great scenery (they filmed in Prague). I recommend it to anyone who's a fan of dark fantasy or gothic horror.
I've always been kind of a sucker for dark fairy tales, ever since I was given a book way back when on the "real" Grimm's fairy tales--very dark and disturbing tales, indeed. Little Red Riding Hood gets eaten by the wolf, Snow White has no Prince Charming to save her from a cold death, etc. They're better than the nursery tales, that's for sure!

Goliath/Elisa romance: Less of this please. Seriously, I like romance and all, but....okay, I don't like Elisa. I've mentioned that before. I think JackaL agrees with me on that too....she just doesn't do it for me, as a character. I always found her more of an annoyance than anything else.
BTW, about romance....For me at least, it needs to be done well. I was reading some piece of fan fiction the other night, and the whole thing was Goliath to Elisa: "My love...." "Beloved...." "My angel..." PLEASE. Made me want to retch. You can have romance without the saccarine melodrama. Nobody I know of walks around their boyfriend/girlfriend saying "My love!" ten times in as many sentences. I felt like I was reading a Harlequin romance that just happened to involved Gargoyles.

Pistoff: I totally agree with you about DS9. I am one of those who believe Berman and the rest ripped off B5 when they themselves couldn't come up with decent plotlines (JMS even so much as came right out and accused them of it). And you're totally right about the stand alone episodes as well. The episode with O'Brien in a jail cell--I loved that episode. It was packed with emotion; the remorse Miles felt over killing his cellmate E'Charr was tangible. Then the next week, back to the same crap again, no change. One of DS9's shining moments was that episode starring one of my favorites, Tony Todd, as an adult Jake Sisko trying to save his father from the timestream (I think it was called "The Visitor"?); it was a well-written, well-acted, touching episode. Then next week, back to the same crap. DS9 was so inconsistent that way. As for Voyager....don't get me started. I watch solely for Jeri Ryan's tight ass, and little else. It might be a blessing that when Voyager ends, the franchise takes a much needed break to rest it's weary bones.

Oh, and no surprise Brigitte Bako was in a soft-core porn film. I love the lass, but she...um....knows how to user her assets, and has several times in numerous films. Not that I'm complaining, *wink wink*. ;)

MORE X-Men casting rumors: Apperently, the Gina Gershon rumor is false...damn.
Patrick Stewart HAS signed to play Xavier, but it hasn't been announced yet, and most likely won't till the entire cast is finalized.
But it is now being said that the part of Wolverine may seriously got to actor Dougray Scott, best known for his roles in "Ever After" with Drew Barrymore, and the upcoming "Mission Impossible 2" film....

Some Star Wars: Episode 2 possible rumors: Again, it's too early to tell, so this could be BS....but some guy writing Lucas' biography has stated he was told the next SW film will have one big-ass underwater battle-to-end-all-big-ass-underwater-battles, possibly involving the assault on the Jedi by a primitive form of stormtrooper. Almost certainly, Palpatine/Sidious will begin to form his Empire and seize even more power. But it's also being stated that it could be revealed that Palpatine is related to Obi-Wan....and that Palpatine is Anakin's father....which, in my opinion, would make the Star Wars universe one giant incestous den of inbreeding. I was grossed out enough by Luke and Leia being siblings (c'mon--they KISSED a few times before that particular revelation). Don't make any more of the characters related!
AND....no one over at Lucasfilm is refuting the Leo-as-Anakin rumor so far....I think they're doing it to f*** with us.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 11:00:48 PM
IP: 207-172-121-154.s154.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

New series> I would like to see Future Tense be made into a series. Because we could see brand new characters execpt, for Broadway, Angela, and Demona and also we can see the descendants from the Gargoyles now in 1999. But if the TGS dose not make the series thats ok because there is still Timedancer because Brooklyn and Sata mostly raise the twins in the future I think.

QUISTION FOR TGS
Would Coldstone and Coldfire still be around in 2158?
Lawrence Stone - [Craft_Celtic@yahoo.com]
Chillicothe, Ohio, U.S.A.
Saturday, June 5, 1999 10:51:09 PM
IP: chil-ras2-1-cs-20.dial.bright.net

**REAL POST IN A MINUTE. <Mask voice> BUT FIRST...***

Attention everyone! I have a new fic up at the GFW archive. It's called Beneath the Streets, and involves the Labyrinth, some vampires, the clan, and the mutates. If you like, please go read it and enjoy!

**THIS HAS BEEN A SHAMELESS PLUG**
Doug Elder - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 10:37:20 PM
IP: pool-207-205-148-71.dlls.grid.net

Stephen> ["Well, we can't have an ep with them kissing all of the time!"] And why not? :-) God knows I'd volunteer to write it.

Pissy> ["...you knew the characters would be the same in the next episode as they were in the current one."] No kidding. That's why I like Voyager way better: they have continuity! Lots of it!

Chiselling Gargoyles: Hmm... I don't know our official position, but I thought "Menagerie" pointed out that a gargoyle being chipped or otherwise damaged while in "stone" sleep wouldn't be very good; Sata seemed quite concerned about it. Scary alternative: what if even the slightest damage resulted in them not waking up again? Of course, the bleeding wound idea makes Jackal's little fantasy in "The Green" excessively disturbing....

Gotta run.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 10:09:34 PM
IP: pppa92.connect.ab.ca

Quick note (for once):

Argent> I don't exactly remember where I found those SW-personality quizzes; I was just surfing that day. Sorry. :-( All I know is that I found them on some magazines' sites, and one of them was a women's magazine of all things.
Blue Caeru
Saturday, June 5, 1999 09:26:20 PM
IP: spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com

Todd>> I know Madoc was much more dignified and aloof. That's what makes imagining Madoc acting like that so funny.

Its funny to watch people with dignity act silly. That's one of the things I like about the Hercules series. I always saw Hades as a very dignified character when I read Greek Mythology (My Mom raised me on Greek Mythology). So I find the way they depict Hades (and the other Gods) hilarious.

Thanks for the info on Trivia BTW. Todd you know a lot. Are you actually Trivia in disguise? :)
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 08:42:39 PM
IP: spider-ti072.proxy.aol.com

Hi all.

I saw the "The Mummy" the other day, and I gotta say that it was even worse than "The Phantom Menace". It didn't even try to distinct itself from Indiana Jones, except in its lack of charisma, and it forced the cliche every opportunity it had. Did anyone else make the connection between the scene where Brenden Frasier and the love interest are in a "Fine!" "Fine!" fight, and the very same fight Indy and his love interest had (can't remember in which of the three movies it was, though)?

Well, anyway, the one entertaining aspect of the film was the similarity I saw between the main villain and the evil priest from "The Sun and the Serpent". I also thought of Harthoth. Actually, I guess the whole movie made me think of "The Sun and the Serpent".... and how much cooler it'd be to see _that_ on the big screen.

***WARNING: SPOILERS FOR DS9***

Deep Space Nine Finale> A let down, I agree. It was incredibly unfulfilling. The only cool part was when the Founder ordered Dumar's replacement to be executed and as he was dragged away he yelled that he was loyal, and then she turned around to Weyoun and ordered him to exterminate the Cardiassian population. That segment all-around reminded me of "Exosquad".

There were lots of disappointments and perhaps even more plotholes, but the greatest mistake made was killing off Dumar. He was finally changing into a likeable character, and it made so much sense for _him_ to be the next leader of Cardassia; for it to be his penence to take what's left and rebuild a better world. Now, who will lead Cardassia? We're not told! It's bad enough that they killed him, but it had to be yet again a stupid death! Star Trek is INCAPABLE of killing someone right. First Tasha Yar, then Jadzia, then Gowron, and now Dumar!

One last thing I gotta mention: When all the characters were going on a nostalgia trip, there was not ONE memory of Jadzia in Worf's!

Okay, end rant.

***END SPOILERS***
Entity
Saturday, June 5, 1999 08:36:02 PM
IP: 206.216.59.59

Starsinger runs into the room screaming at the top of her lungs!!! They did it. They finally did it.
They've been messing up my grocery order for MONTHS!!! And what stupidity did they do today??? They sent the truck to Salt Lake City. How can you mis-route a truck so badly?? Salt Lake City is west of Denver, not south. Have you ever tried to get soft serve mix on a Saturday? Can't be done. It was bad enough when they sent three cases of foot long hotdogs labled as breaded chicken (I needed the stupid chicken.). Then they sent a case of sporks labled as 2oz souffle cups. Stuff like this had been going on for months. They changed us from Phoenix back to Denver and they promised things would go smoothly. Next story. (The trick to telling a good story is to find some fool to believe it. I'm cynical now.) Oh well, a chance to ride the time clock tommorrow. They said we'd get the truck in late tonight or early in the morning. I told him I'd be at work at seven. Bet they'll be late.

I'm calm. I'm calm. The bodies will be put in the dumpster. Trash pick up on Monday.

Starsinger who really believes they need three things at the warehouse. The ability to read. The ability to read English (since everything is printed in English.). And most important READING GLASSES.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 07:56:07 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net

I also saw the "Pool Party" episode of Disney's Hercules, although I'll confess that I *can't* picture Madoc acting the way that Hades did in that one; he's much more dignified and aloof, at least, in my vision. (Or rather, thanks to "The Darkest Hour Part Two", he *was* much more dignified and aloof). Now Loki, on the other hand....

One of my favorite lines in that ep: Zeus saying to Hera after getting the Hades invitation to the pool party, "Don't we have a bridge game with Odin and Frigga that night?"

BTW, did anybody else notice that Keith David's voice for Apollo in that episode really did sound *very* Goliath-ish?

TRIVIA NOTE ABOUT TRIVIA - Trivia was a real deity in classical mythology, although actually a goddess rather than a god (and often thought to be the same as Hecate, goddess of witches - who's shown up a couple of times in "Disney's Hercules", incidentally, as a rival to Hades for control of the Underworld). The name "Trivia" really is Latin for "three roads". I've read one account of how the name came to be bestowed on little tidbits of borderline-useful information; people would often, when they met at crossroads, stop to chat with each other about various little things, which consequently were named "trivia" after the location.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, June 5, 1999 07:48:51 PM
IP: 205-242-93-18.dialup-stl.primary.net

I saw the DS9 finale. I must say that I liked the B5 finale "Sleeping In Light" MUCH better. There were too many similarities between Sisko and Sheridan for me in this.

I recently saw an episode of Disney's Hercules where Hades invited the other gods to a pool party in the Pool of Forgetfullness. It was a very funny ep, and I couldn't help but think of Madoc doing this to the Seelie Court as part of one of his schemes to conquer Avalon.

::imagines Madoc in a "Kill the Coon" apron and chef's hat. With a spatula instead of sword::
::Madoc sees Oberon and Titania leaving::
Madoc: "What. Leaving so soon?
Oberon (looking for an excuse): "I'm sorry, I'm looking for the little fay's room."
Madoc: "Go in the pool"
Oberon: "Is that sanitary?"
Madoc: "No. I mean swim in the pool."
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 07:24:51 PM
IP: spider-ti083.proxy.aol.com

Been behind since Wednesday, FINALLY I'm caught up!
BATYA & ALEX> Congrats! (Blows bubbles at the happy couple instead of rice. Rice is bad for birds.)
ZATH> [evil overlord checklist] Truly, words to live by. :)
It's a lot of fun naming villans who have made those mistakes.
ROBBY> On DBZ, do you know the actors who do Piccolo and Vegeta's voices?
HEATHER> (Spots the birthday girl's mini-menagerie.) Oh cool, now Jewel*D will have someone her age to play with! Whatcha gonna name the unicorn?
BLUE CAERU> Where are those Star Wars personality tests?
AARON> [Trekkies or... whatever hard-core Star Wars fans are called...] I don't know really. Oh, and BTW, don't you guys think Star Warsians sounds better then Star Warsies?

Color and pic> I post in sky blue 'cause that's my favorite color. I use Bronx because not many people use him.
CR anniversary> Cool! We should make T-shirts for the CR clan or something.
My temperament> Idealist/Councilor. Ah, maybe.
Batman singing> I have _got_ to see that commercial! Rotten cable company.
***NO RP, HOPEFULLY LATER***
Only four more finals to go!
Gotta Jet! Go Tribe!
(Sics a rabid horde of chameleons on DC for pestering her the entire post.)
(FOUR months 'till the new 'Dark Ages' eps!)

Argent
stable, USA
Saturday, June 5, 1999 06:46:27 PM
IP: dyn026-nas01.marietta.frognet.net

ARIS - Interesting comments of yours re "Bad Guys". As for your query about the Director being both anti-Illuminati and a civil servant:

1. Greg never said that he was an *American* civil servant.

2. Our information that the Illuminati have a hold over the President comes from Matt in "The Edge". But remember, at that time, all that Matt knew about the Illuminati was based on the rumors that he'd heard; he hadn't gotten in yet. And he's been wrong about the Illuminati before; remember how he thought that the Silver Falcon caper was about them and it turned out to be Tony Dracon after Mace Malone's ill-gotten gains instead?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, June 5, 1999 06:30:35 PM
IP: 205-242-93-18.dialup-stl.primary.net

GUNJACK VALENTINE - It's true that in the whole 3 seasons of the show, the Gargoyles kept refering to their state in daylight as stone, but if you have some free time to go through the AskGreg archives, it states there that Gargoyles transform into an organic stonelike substance during the daytime rather than actual stone.

The reason that you don't see any internal organs when a Gargoyle is smashed is because when they transform into that organic stonelike substance, it's a transformation that goes from outside to inside. The outside of a Gargoyle, the skin, transforms, and then the insides transform. When the Gargoyle wakes up, the transformation starts on the inside with the interal area's turning back into flesh and blood, and then the outside transforming until only a thin layer of stone is left that they break out of.

So when a Gargoyle is chisled, if let's say a name was carved into him or her then when they transform, there should be a wound in the shape of the name that was carved in. At least that's how I see it.


How does the TGS staff see it? I've read fan-fiction where a Gargoyle could get carved up and then wake up with no damage, but that seems to go against the first rule of the Gargoyles Universe: "Nothing, absolutely nothing is ever easy in the Gargoyles Universe." If a Gargoyle had his or her wings carved off in daylight, then I figure that they would wake up with two bleeding stumps on his or her back the next evening. And if a word was carved in then the Gargoyle would wake up with a bleeding wound in the shape of the carving. But I'm not entirely sure how TGS stands on it.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, June 5, 1999 06:05:54 PM
IP: 230.new-york-18-19rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Just read Odd Couples
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, June 5, 1999 05:59:13 PM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

Damn it! Computer had a brainfart. Anyway ...

SJ: I agree completely about DS9. The show's been unwatchable for years, not only because of the blatant rip-offs of Babylon 5, but also because the show is just plain boring. Maybe they weren't trying to rip off B5's stories, but they definitely tried to copy the story-arc structure, and failed miserably. The show was at its best when it did character-oriented, stand-alone episodes. But when they tried tying everything together, it tanked. Remember the episode where O'Brien was put in that virtual prison and it screwed him up so badly that he was ready to commit suicide? Well, it the very next episode, he was back to normal, as if the suicide thing had never even happened. That's what made DS9 boring--you knew the characters would be the same in the next episode as they were in the current one.

And yes, I'm a fan of Michael Wincott. It's too bad he didn't get more time on screen in Strange Days and especially Alien Resurrection. I still laugh when I remember his line about the authorization code in the docking scene: "I've got your code right here: E-A-T-M-E!" hehehe

Steve Gooch and Tim P: Bingo! I'm always surprised to find somebody who knows about this movie, since most people I mention it to have never seen it, and in some cases have never heard of it. It didn't do very well at the box office, which is a damn shame. It was an intelligent movie, but it didn't make any money, while a cheap-thrills popcorn movie like Independence Day breaks box-office records. Typical.

BTW, I found it rather amusing that Brigitte Bako played a hooker in Strange Days, then went on to do a voice for a Disney cartoon. Mostly because Disney execs are whores in a figurative rather than literal sense. ;)

Green Baron: You quit your job??? Well, I hope you find one that works better for you. Want mine? I don't want it anymore, heh. ;)

Aaron: Ohhhh. Oops. Isn't that aggravating, when you think of something and almost immediately somebody else comes up with the same thing and publishes it or puts it on TV? A while back I was thinking about ergonomic keyboards--my idea was that a keyboard should be split in half in the middle and bent so it would fit the angle that your wrists naturally rest at--and guess what? I watched C/Net Central this morning, and they showed an ergonomic keyboard exactly like the one I'd envisioned! Grrrr!

Oh, and Christian Slater doing the voice for Koz? Wow, I hadn't thought of that. Not a bad idea. :)

Highlander 4: Let's hope this one at least makes sense. Still, it's hard for *any* of the sequels to make sense, when the first one had such a definite ending point. The "Renegade Version" of Highlander II was a lot more coherent than the theatrical version, and it's a pretty good little movie if you ignore the Highlander context. But the third one was a retread of the first, with worse acting. I hope the people making the next one know what they're doing.

Coyote: Paul Reubens as Otto Fellatio? ROTFLMAO!!! My god, why didn't I think of that??

Blue Caeru: Ahh, my fanfic characters are invading people's dreams! BWAHAHAHA! I really *am* a mastermind! My global takeover has begun!!

Ahem. Sorry, that's my impulse control disorder kicking in again. I'm okay now. Really.

TRC: Oh, I know about potholes, heheh. We've got more than our share here in Coos Bay. There's a part of town called Bunker Hill, where most of the major hicks live. No street lamps, no porch lights, no paved roads. There are potholes there that can swallow entire cars. I was driving along one afternoon, saw a Geo Metro drop into a hole about 1,000 ahead of me, and I never saw it come back out. When I drove past, there was no trace of it whatsoever.

And isn't it fun to learn how to drive on a stick shift? I learned on an '81 Volkswagen Dasher (diesel model, for chrissake!). It had one of those gear shifts that you had to push straight down, then move left and forward in order to put it in reverse. Most of the time this car would go into first instead of reverse, and if I had a nickel for every time that piece of crap almost dumped me over a cliff, I'd be able to buy the Gargoyles rights from Disney and start producing my own series. ;)

Doug: Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the Jack Hammer story. A few of the details will probably have to be adjusted by the time it's posted, but it'll be mostly the same as the one you read. Again, thanks! :)

Fire Storm: I remember reading a paper about the grammatical uses of the F word a few years ago, but I lost my copy of it. Thanks for the WAV file, it was hilarious.

Gargoyles and profanity: Well, I don't have a problem with Keith David cursing. After all, if it's in the script, he pretty much has to say it. But Goliath has evolved in such a way that he probably wouldn't use profanity, even though profanity itself has pretty much lost its shock value due to overuse. Demona and Brooklyn are far more likely to swear, and since Elisa's a cop, she would probably use the F word quite a lot if her dialogue weren't limited to what could be heard in an animated series. Still, if Goliath ever did use the F word, it would be one helluva shock ....

Pissy
Saturday, June 5, 1999 05:05:49 PM
IP: wire-15.koalas.com

Okay, finally I can get to the replies ....


Pistoff - [pistoff@anti-social.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 05:02:14 PM
IP: wire-15.koalas.com

Some seem to think Elisa would want to beat the crap out of Titania for refusing to heal her, for using her simply as a test of Demona's redemption. Though no doubt the thought will cross her mind, I see it more along the lines of at some point Titania needing Elisa's help, and Elisa telling the fey queen, "You were willing to let me die, so F*#k you.", and turning her back on Titania, and walking away.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 04:48:44 PM
IP: fltg-ppp5.fltg.net

Some seem to think Elisa would want to beat the crap out of Titania for refusing to heal her, for using her simply as a test of Demona's redemption. Though no doubt the thought will cross her mind, I see it more along the lines of at some point Titania needing Elisa's help, and Elisa telling the fey queen, "You were willing to let me die, so F*#k you.", and turning her back on Titania, and walking away.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.ner]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 04:47:15 PM
IP: fltg-ppp5.fltg.net

Whew! Never stay up late reading Anne McCaffrey's books until 3am... it will kill your day sleeping.

COMMENTS ON NEW SERIES> Well, I really can't comment too much on this, since I am in the Staff Heads... but I will say I am seeing all the comments. We'll just have to see what's what later...

GOLIATH/ELISA & SMOOCHING> Got to watch the S&P on something like this... Well, we can't have an ep with them kissing all of the time! Wait... that might not be a bad idea! Nah...

IN OTHER NEWS> Last night I finished the first chapter of my sci-fi novel "ALDEBBARA", and have made good headway into chapter two! HURAHH! A First for me, since all of my previous attempts to get a novel started fell short of the first chapter every time. I like the way the characters are showing in this one.

Anyway, if things allow, I might just do a reading of Chapter One at the Gathering... in the lobby or somewhere, since it's not an offical event. :)

Well, that's all from me... Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, June 5, 1999 04:30:52 PM
IP: 207.170.232.74

Dangit, forgot to put my name on that one. sorry folks.
Gunjack Valentine
Dallas, TX
Saturday, June 5, 1999 04:05:33 PM
IP: spider-te061.proxy.aol.com

*Valentine runs into the room dressed in a frilly "three musketeers" outfit, waiving a
rapier, and shouting at invisible opponents*

Ha! So the foul minions of ArKivE have caught up with me, aye? Well, take that,
Lethe.wps! Ha! you think a smattering of text has a chance of beating the redoubtible
Marius Valentine? Oh no, Crossroads1, you crafty rouge, I’ve beaten better fics than you!
I was wandering this site while you were just a twinkle in Footman’s eye! Nay, you’ll not
best me this time, you old villian. En gaurde!

*He stumbles back a bit, and glares at the empty air*

Oh, so that’s the way of it! Fifteen against one, aye? Well , I fight on, I fight on, I
fight*Urk!*

*He groans, doubles over as if stabbed, and sags to the floor*

Ooo, I think they got me... I’m done for... please give my fanfic ideas a good home...
somebody feed my goldfish...

*flops around a bit, and then lies still...for about five seconds. In a blink, he’s back on his
feet, grimacing.*

Dangit, I knew I shouldn’t have watched “Cyrano” all those times... Ah, well.

Jenniren, thanks for the links. It’s a rule for me that I NEVER read stories out of
sequence, so I’m five behind on Timedancer. That leaves me w/ fifteen episodes to read in
the next twelve hours, and then I’ll be caught up on everything but the last third of TGS,
season 2. Thank God for speed reading...

RE> New Series - My vote would definately go to Gargoyles2158. As I see it, this series
has the most room for expansion of any of them. As to the comment that it might spoil
TGS, I point to the fact that we already have two series that are back-to-back
chronologicaly (Dark Ages and Gargoyles), and that doesn’t seem to cause any
problems... although I admit that knowing that Asriel, Thersites, and all the rest are going
to end up as gravel does tend to put the series in a fatalistic shadow...:(

On a lighter note, I remember some talk several years ago about a Disney
Afternoon series called Villains that was in the works. It was supposed to star All of the
prominent Disney villains, from Pete to Cruella DeVille to Shere Khan. Sounded like a
great idea at the time, especially the thought of those last two trying to work on the same
side!:)

Airwalker><<I'm curious because I've read some fanfiction that takes the idea that a
gargoyle could be carved while asleep and wake up the way it was carved with no
damage. I was wondering what the position of the TGS staff was on this.

(My personal position on it is if someone carved their name on a sleeping gargoyle, when
the gargoyle wakes up he or she would have a bleeding wound.)>> Merlin’s hints
notwithstanding, the original series stated that gargs turned into ordinary stone during the
day. In otherwords, they’d be the same physically as a bunch of regular statues, just a
homogenous chunk of stone. I’ve never seen anything to disprove this. For example, do
you find internal organs lying around after you snmash a gargoyle? I don’t see how a
chisel wound inflicted on the stone form could carry over, as it seems that the internals of
the gargoyle magicly reappear whenever they awake. It seems that the viens and such
would simplu adjust, leaving the poor sap with a new scar.

*Valentine glances at his watch*

Ooops, looks like it's time to go. See yall around. By the way, try to figure this one out for kicks.

SITUATION - The year is... oh, aroyund the time of Requiem. Demona is lonely, and sick of watching all her loved ones pass away. But her clan loves her, and would hate to see her die. Is there a solution that will leave everyone happy?

Whaddiya think?
Anonymous
Saturday, June 5, 1999 04:02:27 PM
IP: spider-te061.proxy.aol.com

**Robby enters humming** Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit... Bugs Bunny marathons... ya gotta love 'em.

Ed- You gave me your award for best Timedancer art... Cool!

Aaron- Trekkies by far outnumber Warsies. Look at the sheer quantity of Star Wars stuff. There's far more movies, television series, and books and such. In quantity Star Trek wins by far, which means its quite likely that there's that many more people who buy the merchandise, hence, that many more fans.

Sylvia- Timedancer season 3 will start when it starts.

JEB- The Quigmans is a local one panel comic strip with terrible artwork I usually avoid.

David- That does it, we're dropping all our plans for season 3 stuff and doing the misadventures of Vinnie instead! 8) Seriously though, funny stuff. Each season is a parody of really bas spy movies, Highlander, and X-Files, right?

Power Rangers- The really sad thing being in Japan, the stories were actually pretty cool with emotion, plot and drama. I've seen some of the dubs.

Ed again- We're not doing Bad Guys, New Olympians, or Garg 2158, we're doing the adventures of Vinnie I tell you!

Talk about Badguys and chislers and such- Can't... Give... Opinion... On staff.. Have classified... Knowledge...

SJ- Xanatos vandalizing the gargs... Funny...

Hitchhikckers Guide to the Galaxy remake- last I heard, a major network was going to make 5 two hour movies covering all five books...

**RP**

Up in the Dark Star Two, Dis Connect surveys all, planning, and calculating...

Meanwhile, in a small, now abandoned town, exploded pieces of an immortal begin to come together...

And also meanwhile, back at Disneyworld, Jim Iza Noying is spending time showing his new found lady friend Tina around the park.
"Ya know, this party is pretty dull... Usually something big woulda happened or started by now..." Jim stops and waves to Freakazoid.
"Hey, what are you doing at a Disney theme park?"
"It's one of your parties. I couldn't miss it."
"Ah." And then suddenly, music begins to play, in the tune of Hello, Dolly.
"Bonjour, Lobey...
Oui Bonjour, Lobey!
We're so pleased you've come back we had to scream! (Auugh!)
We see your veins, Lobey,
And your brains, Lobey..."
And over the course of the next few minutes, a great big song number goes by (Click my name for the full lyrics)and it seems Jim's party is doing just fine after all.
Robby
Saturday, June 5, 1999 03:55:52 PM
IP: spider-th021.proxy.aol.com

Once again, being grounded rears its ugly head. :-P My mom seems to think that preventing my access to the computers at home will stop me from using all computers. Hehehe....

Christine> New story? And me under legal age. Bleh. You're going to Vancouver, eh? It's gorgeous this time of year. Rainy, but beautiful.

Gyre> Then we'd have Elisa beating the you-know out of Titainia with an iron chain and those boots. I would PAY to see that.

Blue Caeru> Batya was referring to Track 23 on the X-Files _Score_, the Mark Snow CD. The rock CD is completely different, but just as good; I'd suggest buying both. :-)

Coyote> Congratulations!

SJ> I would love to see someone scrawl on a stone Gargoyle with Magic Marker, seeing as how stone skin degrades after a couple of hours (Hunter's Moon notwithstanding).

Movie rumours: Jim Carrey's name has been linked to a Summer 2000 remake of _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ movie (oh, God, no!), and _The X-Files: Invasion_ is coming out Summer 2001. "Invasion"? I think I know what that means....

Anyway, I should get books so my mom doesn't get too suspicious. :-P Back on Monday for the new TGS story....

** teleports out **
Deuce, from the library - [deuce@softhome.net]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 02:39:48 PM
IP: 198.161.203.25

I had a thought about the New Olympians series. What if, instead of focussing on them in the present day, the series focussed on the time when New Olympus was first being founded? The Timedancer ep "Downfall" provided a starting point. There were several interesting characters in "Downfall" who I'd like to see again and a follow-up series could include topics like the introduction of New Olympians from remote parts of the world like England, India, Japan, etc. and the subject of New Olympus' relations with the outside world. Did any New Olympians venture into the outside world looking for fellow human/fey outcasts who might need rescuing and refuge? Were there ever any trade relations between New Olympus and the outside world? Eventually they'd probably need more raw materials for building among other things. If the series were done in flashback (maybe as stories told by present day New Olympians) then several historical periods could be visited. We might see New Olympians travelling to the mainland at various times in history in order to discover what progress had been made in the outside world and whether it affected the safety of Mount Olympus.


Jenniren
Saturday, June 5, 1999 12:39:18 PM
IP: user-2ivf4ja.dialup.mindspring.com

Headed off to Vancouver B.C. for the weekend! And then the new job starts. Will let you know how it goes! ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 12:22:35 PM
IP: 01-055.009.popsite.net

Paul> My guess is that Oberon has realized that fey can die ever since his father death. Atleast, he should have done so.

Bad Guys> Something else also interests me. The Director is supposed to be a civil servant, isn't he? My guess is that he's an American civil servant since Dingo, Fang and Robyn only committed crimes inside the US (atleast I think so). Two questions:
a) If the Illuminati do control the president, how come the Director opposes Duval?
b) How the heck does Yama get involved all the way from Japan? What kind of leverage does the Director have against him? (Ofcourse it may be as simple as 'We'll turn you over to the Quarrymen - but couldn't he escape? Or would he have driven away from his clan, or something like that?)


Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 11:29:25 AM
IP: athe530-h045.otenet.gr

Gunjack Valentine > Re: Elisa and Goliath's dating frustrations. We actually covered that this season in an episode called "Nocturne". And Silver Arrow > While "the relationship" hasn't been at the center of the season, it has been showcased here and there. Rest assured, when time permits Elisa and her favorite lavender gargoyle are gettting their fair share of smoochies. :)
kathy
Saturday, June 5, 1999 09:15:41 AM
IP: client24156.atl.mediaone.net

First of all:

Mandi-I'm not angry. I don't get angry at trifles such as those. I was just informing you vociforously. Its not a problem.
As to the person that claimed Rich Orange, I could take it if I want, just to show that no one owns a color. I chose Bright Yellow because I liked the Color.

Now that that's settled:

THE GARGOYLES SAGA: TIMEDANCER:
1.) Harthoth is not a villian!! I can see where many can say Madoc is a villian, but Harthoth is definately not a villian.
2.) Gwenywere seems to be kinda' like Ramsus here. She obviously really needs to be loved by someone, which is why she thought that Brooklyn was interested in her. I just hope she can get through her problems without us getting a THE GARGOYLES SAGA Version of poor Kahr.
3.) With Alexander, I think Harthoth was using magic to seal Alexander's debt.
4.) Heh. Finally, an actual cliffhanger for a Season Finale!! All right, THE GARGOYLES SAGA Staff!!

Okay, now we're onto the main comments.
Elisa-She is by no means being degraded to 'love interest' and 'sacrificial victim'. She can't always have center stage. Elisa is not center-stage in GARGOYLES Plotline. Nor is her and Goliath's relationship. In the whole scheme of things, as I see them, Elisa, Matthew, and the rest of the humans who were friends to the gargoyles in Manhattan are hinge. Hinge in a starting point for the gargoyles-human relationships. They're not insignificant, though. There's plenty more character left, its just that this season is more fey-oriented for the past recent Episodes. We've been seeing some possible character development there.
Someone asked why they aren't in a relationship. Last time I checked, being in love with someone can be interpreted as a relationship.
Also, to the person who seems to think the THE GARGOYLES SAGA Staff are trying to insinuate any mating, well, wake up! That's not going to happen. Mainly because one, he's in love with her, obviously, but hasn't taken her as a mate yet, or vice versa. If such does happen, which is doubtful, it'll be interesting to see whether gargoyles ceremonies or weddings come into play, or both, and how they're interrelated.
Also, Brooklyn hasn't had any other 'mates', while I'm on this topic. He had love interests, but not mates. There's a tremendous difference.

The Fey-Madoc and Oberon seem to me, to be a stage for Oberon's further character development. When Madoc perished, Oberon seemed to finally be hit with the fact that a member of his family could perish, that fey could perish. He knew it was possible, but obviously wasn't prepared to be hit with it. I think the whole Madoc-Oberon plotline was for character development among the fey. No more for Madoc, but it seems obvious its for Oberon.

XENOGEARS-Its a Role-Playing Game for the Sony PlayStation, and what I think is the best story that exists. Yiy. You need to get around, Jenniren, the 'Other' is tantamount to that.

Doug-Yes, I'm referring to XENOGEARS. Please answer now.

Final Note for Now-Todd, thanks for proving that there are still others who remember that little bit about Titania.

"Everyone wants somebody to love them."-Elhaym 'Elly' van Houten
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 08:54:40 AM
IP: 22.morristown-18-19rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Airwalker: I guess that upon thinking about it, I’m not entirely sure why they would stay near NY. I guess I just assumed that because they would oppose the Illuminati and because a lot of Illuminati stuff would happen near NY, they’d want to be quite close. I always assumed they’d have missions worldwide, but I don’t know if they’d form a base. Also of course, if BG was a spin-off incorporating much Gargoyles material they’d presumably have a few crossover adventures with the Gargoyles, more likely than not in their protectorate. Of course you’re right though – on thinking about it, they would steer clear.
Regarding G2158, the difficulty is that flashbacks are difficult to perform without ultimately giving too much away. DA has loads of flashbacks. We already know what becomes of the Archmage, Hudson etc.

Blue Caeru/Coyote: Thanks! :)

David G: Erm… but then Gargoyles would meet up with the spin off in 7 months! (or less, depending how far this
season goes).

Todd: Hmm. But if the Director is a Xanatos-like figure he might be more concerned in achieving his own goals than donating his crack crime-fighting team as to save the day in the areas of the world not blessed with a local clan, former monarch or mythical creature to protect them.
Ed
Saturday, June 5, 1999 08:02:29 AM
IP: p45-conebill-gui.tch.virgin.net

BAD GUYS - While I can't say anything about what the TGS staff is or is not doing about this one, I do think that if it had actually been made by Greg, it probably would not have been set in Manhattan, for another reason besides that given already here: Manhattan in the Gargoyles Universe already has the gargoyles and the NYPD both for handling crime, so it would be a bit redundant to be sending the Redemption Squad there as well; they wouldn't be needed. The Director would be far more likely, IMHO, to be sending them to places on the map which didn't have "local super-heroes" (which means that London and Prague would probably also be out as settings).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, June 5, 1999 07:10:40 AM
IP: 208-19-232-129.dialup-stl.primary.net

Just another quickie, since it's 3:20 AM and I don't have time for much. I'll get to the replies tomorrow, but there's one I just have to do right now.

David g.: About your spinoff ideas, namely Gargoyles 2K. You're gonna have to change the title, because that's what my series is called. I started posting them back in October. The site went down and lost my stories, and I had to repost them later, but I originally started in October. At any rate, they've been in the archive for quite a while. ;)
Pistoff - [pistoff@anti-social.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 06:19:10 AM
IP: wire-26.koalas.com

*Valentine staggers into the room, looking bleary-eyed and desheveled, and draws himself up to his full hight*

Listen All, for I have words of vast wisdom to impart! *There is a loud thump as he falls on his butt* And the words are: NEVER read TGS episodes for more than seven hours straight. It does funny things to your head.
*Groan* Oh, man, and I had plans for tomorrow, too...

Well, I can't get much more tired than this anyway, so I might as well hang out for a bit.

Silver Arrow>> I heartily agree that there needs to be a heck of alot more smooching between Elisa and Goliath. Everyone else is gettin' along just fine in the romance department, but these two seem to be getting left in the dust. Call me an old softy, but the Goliath/Elisa romance has always one of my favorite parts of the basic story, and it's sad to see it so neglected. Serriously, people! I just got done reading "Reunions" (Ya, I know, I'm behind), and as soon as the two lovebirds start settling down for some nice necking, someone tries to blow up the castle. If this kind of thing happens EVERY time the two of them try to have a little intamicy, Goliath must be climbing the walls by now. I can almost see it...

Brooklynn - (Intruding on G&E's Intimate Encounter) Excuse me Goliath, but we just caught somebody purse snatching. what should we do with 'em?

Goliath - (Growls angrily and slams his fist into the wall) That's the fourth time this week! (Grabs the criminal and throws him off the top of the Eyrie Building) That'll teach those punks to keep interrupting me!

Also, IMHO, this constitutes senseless cruelty to the characters in question. Maybe it's time to start up an old idea from before my exile.

*Pauses and looks around innocently*

Has anybody here heard of revengefics? ;)

Gunjack Valentine
Dallas , TX
Saturday, June 5, 1999 04:55:01 AM
IP: spider-tm061.proxy.aol.com

Whoever said it was Keith David's birthday> Are you sure? The IMDb claims it was back in May. Oh well, they've been wrong about lots of other things...

Of all the spin-offs discussed, I’d most like to see Bad Guys. It seems like the type of series that both the writers and the readers could have a lot of fun with.

David G.> <<Broadway as a Hudson-esque 'old soldier' has some appeal ("In my day we had to live in a clock tower, and we couldn't get pizza delivered. We had to carry it ourselves, upwind, both ways. You youngsters don't know how good you've got it...")>> LOL : P I can picture him then going off on a rant about having to go through the entire fimbulwinter (sp?) wearing nothing but a loincloth, because designer jeans with tail and knee spike holes didn’t become available until 2023.

A Question About Dark Ages> What exact color is Thersites? The stories say he is "gray-green", but that could describe a lot of things and I want to make sure he looks half-way accurate in my pictures.
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 03:56:46 AM
IP: ns2-14.viptx.net

AOL's kicked me off twice now before I could finish my post. If I was more in the mood, I'd off Dis Connect. No wait... He took over the Dark Star Two and killed my superior evil twin... Messing with him might not be a good idea...

Anyhoo, its back to the 48 hour Bugs Bunny marathon for me!
Robby
Saturday, June 5, 1999 03:44:36 AM
IP: spider-th062.proxy.aol.com

Glad you seemed to enjoy "The Perils of Vinnie." I do have a comment or two (or more) to make about some of the other series ideas.
-Bad Guys/Redemption Squad- this is cool. I don't know exactly how well it would work, but it's cool. As Dingo demonstrated in Darkest Hour, the reformed villians might not be totally reformed.
-New Olympians- With the current situation the world is not ready for the knowledge of New Olympus. On the other hand, a limited number of Olympians might get by as "super-heroes." The way has been paved by (ironically) the Pack and later Dingo and some others. My version of the series would set up this limited introduction before springing the whole city on everybody. You'd have to do something like that, or you really wreck the setting by creating too many changes all at once.
-Gargoyles 2k-(I'd leave out the exact date. Maybe call it New Millenium) This one would need to focus on political problems. From limited exposure you can figure out that the world is not as rosy as it first seems. Humans and Gargoyles would still have internal pressures, and there are several different groups of people (Those in the Arcology, those who want to be in the Arcology, those who don't...) who would have conflicts. References to the past could be pretty limited. Broadway as a Hudson-esque 'old soldier' has some appeal ("In my day we had to live in a clock tower, and we couldn't get pizza delivered. We had to carry it ourselves, upwind, both ways. You youngsters don't know how good you've got it...")

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, June 5, 1999 03:19:30 AM
IP: pppa17-fortworthb1-1r522.saturn.bbn.com

Read BloodMoon I did
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, June 5, 1999 01:20:07 AM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

**RP!**

[Djedi: "Onslaught, this is the Ice Dagger! Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that a Tenebrian dre'kketh we just toasted?" Doug: "Er...it was a dre'kketh, yes, but Tenebrian?" Djedi: "The species' planet of origin, Mundi Tenebricosi. You told us earlier it was a clone of something from the Dark Star or whatever those lunatics are operating from these days?" Doug: "The Avatar Of Ganon, yeah." Djedi: "By the gods...first Imperial stuff, then Borg, now Daleks and dre'kkeths. What in the worlds have we gotten ourselves into..."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Doug> <<Quick RP question- is it okay if I kill off Wilek Fieger III or I? Just want to make sure you don't have any more plans for their characters before I do.>> Sure, go ahead. On second thought...leave one of them alive for now, whichever one you'd like, then have him sent into combat with our Borg. >:) $ <<Ooze was one of them, Goldar was another, and a third was Zed (before he married that awful Rita, of course).>> I think so too. Sometimes I wonder what Zedd looked like under that helmet. Probably a bloody skull, which is most likely why they never showed him without it (that I know of, anyhow)...You have to admit, Rita got a fun line in the movie: something along the lines of "THIS is what you've been looking for? A tub of snot?!" Still, I wish they hadn't been so thoroughly defeated when the Machine Empire came along. I mean, reduced to living with Master Vile...<shudder>

**SPECULATION WITH POSSIBLE SPOILERS ABOUT STAR WARS EPISODE 2**

Robby> <<If they tone done the bad comedy and give him less lines in the next film, Jar Jar will be pretty cool.>> I've heard rumors he isn't even going to *be* in the next movie. But I've heard the Mandalorians will be, along with prototype Imperial stormtroopers.

**END POSSIBLE SPOILERS**

Gunjack> Clan Mainline? Kewl...

Warpmind> <<what would be called the Darkfire area?>> Um...the observatory? The torture chamber? The ritual alcove? The royal chapel? Stellar cartography? The media room?

Todd> <<Demona is about to cast a magical curse upon Goliath when Puck sneaks up behind her and yanks her tail; Demona lets out a few swear words in her anger in the middle of the incantation, which alters it so that Goliath can't keep the swear words out of his speeches.>> ROTFL! Who wrote it, and what's it called? Or do you remember?

All newcomers> Welcome! :D Check your sanity at the door, and do avoid the 'gators; it's been a while since they've been fed. <pushes DC into the moat> Never mind...

Jenniren> <<Does Spawn always cuss like this? I don't get HBO and haven't seen a complete episode.>> Um...I don't know if it counts as a proper episode, but I have the animated movie (from which the series presumably originated) on tape, and he doesn't swear much. The only one I remember is "What the h--- do you want?" Clown's classic reply: "The real question is: What does Hell want with *you*?" >:)

Jackal> <<If I stick my (censored) in his mouth to shut him up, would that make yall happy>> Er...I don't think I even want to comment.

Keith David's birthday? Kewl...

Christine> <<Pointless, plotless, utterly without any redeeming value, and nuttin' but naughtiness.>> Um...I know there's something I should be saying here but I can't think of what...<g>

JEB> <<the Federation was the US, the Vulcans were the British, the Romulans were the Germans, the Klingons were the Russians, the Ferengi were the Japanese, the Borg were the Chinese, and the Bajorans were the Israelis.>> I always thought the Borg were Microsoft, the Federation was Nintendo, the Klingons were Sega, and the Romulans were Sony. This is how messed up I am. <<I seem to recall seeing a timeline on some site, maybe I can dig it up from my pile of bookmarks...>> That would probably be www.classicgaming.com/castlevania, one of my favorite CV sites.

Jenniren> <<Is Fox still financially supporting Dingo after "Walkabout?" If not, I don't know what he'd be doing as a source of income.>> Maybe he just got a job. Would anyone recognize him in civilian clothing if their only previous look at him was in the Matrix armor? I doubt it; he probably does something to conceal his face (I know he didn't at the end of the TV ep, but he probably did at some later time, since that's what superheroes do. :) ). So probably he's usually a normal person, then when he hears of something really bad going down, he gets off on some pretense and goes to take care of it. A tad cliche and stereotypical, but it works.

**RESUME RP!**

[In Oz, the team is just finishing off the pack of Brujah that attacked them--it was a long, difficult, brutal, and bloody battle that there's neither time nor space to recount here--when Miriam's commlock chimes. Wilek: "I thought comms didn't work in here!" Miriam: "So did I...<answers call> This is Baxter." Rho: "This is Agent Rho. I had a few members of our team set up a comm relay through the rift. Since we're talking to each other, I can only assume they've succeeded." Wilek: "Kewl. Hey, what's going on out there?" Rho: "Rather a lot--your friend Doug and our new employees are on their way to Iowa, and if what we've picked up over the CR's comms channel is any indication, I think they're in trouble. How long are you people going to take?" Wilek: "Um...it could be quite a while; we think Argent and her draco have been captured--" little do they know--"and even if we find Eisner, we don't know if he'll be willing to tell us what happened to Sevarius." Rho: "Is there anything you can do to speed things along? Big things are going to be happening rather soon, and I'd prefer everyone to be here when they do." Miriam: "We'll do our best."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, June 5, 1999 12:57:58 AM
IP: tnt-3-119-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Coyote> really? dang, whoever I heard in that thing sure sounded like him, maybe he has in a voice in it and maybe he doesn't, but I could've sworn it was him
Something about mary> HER STEPFATHER WAS KEITH DAVID?! well that's certainly could spark a few sick creativity demons
Shogun raptor
Saturday, June 5, 1999 12:41:46 AM
IP: jkv-trans2.firn.edu

***Very Brief RP!!!***
Dr. Anton Sevarius stood amongst the Phalanx, sweat on his brow. He had done their foul work--created a virus that would efficiently assimilate the entire world into drones--but now he knew time was running out. If Junior didn't arrive soon....
Absently, he fondled the beaker hidden in the pocket of his lab coat. This was his one hope. If all else failed, he still had this plague to wipe the Phalanx off the face of this earth...
***End Brief RP!!!!****

Doug: I don't mind you adding to that bit of the RP. I had planned to get back to it, eventually. However, I would ask you to please hold any major plans (you know, like all of earth being assimilated) until we finish up our own little "Oz" bit, which I hope will be soon. I had still wanted SJ to rescue his dad. :)

More Movie RUMORS!!!!
Potential good one, and potential bad one. Here's the GOOD NEWS: Gina Gershon was rumored to have been asked to play Mystique in the new X-Men movie. Personally, I'd LOVE to see it happen. Pardon my language, but I've always had the "steaming undies" for her, and I'd love to see her as Mystique. Unfortunately, the same rumors saying she was offered the part claim she turned it down due to a scheduling conflict. Bah.
Potential BAD NEWS: Keanu Reeves is apparently going around saying he is involved with the new Lord of the Rings films. I don't know if this is true or not; it IS a fact that he has expressed interest in playing the part of Strider, but I don't think he's been chosen for it. If this is true...well, it can be good or bad, depending on whether or not you're a Reeves fan. (However, it has been all but confirmed that teen actor Elijah Woods will be playing the part of Frodo.
Oh, and too any LOTR fans, I suggest going over to the "Aint-It-Cool-News" site (at http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com) and running a search for Lord of the Rings. You should come across, eventually, two full interviews with Peter Jackson, the writer/director for the project. He explains what's going to be in the film, and what's going on. I do believe that the Hobbitts will be CGI shrinked, though.

Something About Mary: Funniest movie I've seen in a long time, and I'm notoriously not a huge comedy movie fan. So many funny bits....from the beginning "franks and beans" scene with Keith David, to the psycho dog, to Matt Dillon's horrifying--but blackly humorous--speech on "retards", to the infamous "hair gel" scene. Crude humor? Absolutely! But I laughed none the less. Have you seen my baseball?

David G: Fox television is on the phone, they want to hire you as a programmer.
Seriously, I like you ideas for Garg spin-offs, especially the Vinnie one. Sad thing is, nothing as remotely cool as those will EVER make it to primetime tv!

I was able to purchase one of the super-rare Gargoyle comics today! It was issue #7, where the gang fights the Pack. Know what? Um.....it sucked. Seriously. The art wasn't that great (although Lex did look cute with those big, owl-like eyes of his), the story wasn't that intriguing (the tv show was sooo much better), and, unfortunately, while it starred the characters I know and love, I can see why the series was canceled. I know it was debated in the other CR, but we really should have a Garg comic book. With good art AND stories.
BTW, did anyone else notice how totally f***ed up Jackal's costume was?

*Sigh* Well, the Avalanche lost to the Stars tonight. Dang it. I really did not want Dallas to win (sorry Texas residents). Oh well, here's to Buffalo; win it big, boys!!!

Jenniren: Now that you mentioned that bit about chiseling, it makes me wonder how many times Xanatos has been up to the castle walls to mark his own initials or otherwise vandalize the Clan...
Fox: "DAVID! Are you drawing mustaches on Goliath again?"
David, nervously: "N-No dear! Honest!!"
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, June 5, 1999 12:30:31 AM
IP: 207-172-118-65.s65.tnt13.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Airwalker> I think Yama would have problems in America, and Manhattan in particular, simply because he's a gargoyle. Since most New Yorkers don't know spit about gargoyles, he would automatically share the same bad PR as the Manhattan clan. It would be interesting to see how the Director managed to get the Bad Guys to work together, especially Robyn the ex-Hunter and Yama. Is Fox still financially supporting Dingo after "Walkabout?" If not, I don't know what he'd be doing as a source of income. Since the Director is Duval's adversary and Duval heads the Illuminati, and Fox knows her husband is a member of the Illuminati, Fox might be very interested in keeping in touch with Dingo after he joins the Director's Bad Guys.

Re chiseling> I think someone asked this question in the Ask Greg Archives and the answer was that it would depend on the extent of the wound and how long it was before sunset. So a minor wound, like initials, that was carved around noon would probably heal without a trace. I don't know if anyone's actually quantified the degree of damage that could be inflicted and how much time it would take for the gargoyle to heal without scarring. Or whether a stone limb that was knocked off during stone sleep could be reattached with duct tape so it would heal -- provided there was sufficient healing time before sunset (similar to the way human limbs can be reattached if proper care is taken).


Jenniren
Friday, June 4, 1999 11:53:52 PM
IP: user-2ivf2d8.dialup.mindspring.com

Shogun: Actually, I just came from Disney's official Tarzan site. Tarzan's simian father is voiced by ... Lance Henriksen, which we had such an animated (excuse the pun) discussion about earlier this week.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 4, 1999 11:39:07 PM
IP: modem30.i-is.com

Perhaps I should Clarify, when I spoke of his father, I meant his adopted Simian father.
Shogun raptor
Friday, June 4, 1999 11:26:28 PM
IP: jkv-trans2.firn.edu

Speaking of Keith David, I'm not sure, but I think I heard his voice in a trailer for the new Tarzan movie, (so help me, the lord of the apes looks like he has frog feet) doing the voice of the kid's Father, and no, I don't think Salli Richardson is the voice of the mother
Shogun raptor
Friday, June 4, 1999 11:23:06 PM
IP: jkv-trans2.firn.edu

**enters the room grooving to Robby's song selection, sits down in the big chair.**

All ... my ... friends ... get a lowrider ... :)

I *thought* that was the song you were thinkin' of, Mr. DJ. :)

Heather: Today's the big day!! **the floor opens up, allowing a huge cake ingress to the room, with 15 butane torches at its peak.** Happy birthday! **hands the remote to Heather** Here's your Execution cake. Pick yer flavor. :)

Ed: Thanks for the analysis. As always, your view is quite clear and accurate. :)

Keith David's birthday, too? Super coolies! **takes a hunk off of the cake Aaron brought**

Christine: Bravo to you for flying in the face of your critics!!

Gyre: Are you offering Elisa a clip of iron bullets, perchance? :)

Real Life good luck, for once: This afternoon, when I came into work, one of the store's managers told me, right as I'd gotten in the door, that the other two store managers wanted to see me. Thinking I was in trouble, I went in the office, expecting the worst.

Turns out, I'd actually done something right ... I'd won two tickets to a NASCAR race (the Miller 400 next week). And the way I won them? I sold enough Splitfire spark plugs to put my individual sales figure third in the Detroit area for the period they were tracking. And the top five sellers won pairs of tickets.

So what can I say? Except ...

**leaps out of the chair, running up the walls of the CR.** YEEEEEE-HAWWW!!!! **jumps down, composes self, returns to the chair, and fixates once more, albeit smiling widely. :)**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 4, 1999 11:03:04 PM
IP: modem30.i-is.com

ED - What makes you think that BAD GUYS would ever have been based in Manhattan? It was always my impression that they would probably avoid the eastern United States like the plague.

Think about it: Dingo's free because Xanatos probably broke him out with the rest of the Pack prior to GRIEF. So he's a wanted man in the U.S. Robyn is gotten out of prision by the Director but it can't be a legal release. The people would never stand for having someone who bombed a building let out of prision. So she's probably as much of a wanted criminal in America as Dingo is. Fang doesn't want to go back into a cell, so he would want to be avoiding the Mutate clan. Yama is the only one who wouldn't have any problems in America unless you consider the fact that he and Angela aren't exactly on the best of terms and I don't think that he wants to confront Goliath either. He's still got to be a bit ashamed of his role in BUSHIDO.

I always thought that they would be based out of Australia since Matrix did take over and transformed that whole complex where he was created. (I know that the end of WALKABOUT implies that he abandoned it to merge with Dingo's suit, but I can't believe that Fox wouldn't take advantage of the situation to try and keep the Matrix at least within a little sphere of influence by offering Dingo some financial support and maybe continued use of that research base.)

As for G2158, I think that it could be done well without ruining the main GARGOYLES series. The main series now does make some references to DARK AGES sometimes and doesn't ruin any of the plots shown there. As long as it lives more in it's present and doesn't concentrate on the past, then there shouldn't be a problem.

I don't think that it would be able to divorce itself from GARGOYLES because there would be certain characters who would always act as anchor's. We have Demona, Macbeth, Angela, and Broadway. There's also Merlin, Alex, and probably Lexington. Not to mention Brooklyn,