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Hi all!
Coyote: Sorry we didn't make it out today. Weather and personal stuff. Well... mainly personal stuff.
I hate Hard Drives. SMART status FAILURE... DERN LOT BOYS!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, June 13, 1999 12:11:40 AM
IP: t3-27.visitus.net
No RP. Last night, I couldn't even get in the room practically. Tonight, I'm just too tired, and I want to see if TRC does post something. But tomorrow, no more excuses--an RP is certain. Sorry to those in my branch of the RP who I may be letting down.
BTW, thanks for the Pokemon again, Argent! :)
Pokemon: Speaking of Pokemon, I saw the absolute cutest thing in Wizare magazine the other day. (Wizard is a fanboy magazine about comics, to those who don't know). Every issue, one of their features is the "Top Ten Heroes & Villains", where they show which good guys and baddies are the most popular. This latetest issue had the "Top Ten POKEMON Heroes and Villains"--heroes and villains such as "Punishu" (Pikachu + Punisher), "Spider-Meowth" (Spiderman + Meowth), "Alaka-Shazam" (Alakazam + Capt. Marvel), and "Teenage Mutant Ninja Squirtle" (sort of self explanatory). They were even drawn like the comics characters. Nothing is more adorable than seeing Pikachu wearing a black bodysuit with a death skull and ammo on the front. :)
A MOMENT OF SILENCE....
For DeForest Kelly. He truly was a legend in science fiction, and was the absolute epitome of what all sci-fi doctors should be. And he was often the voice of reason for Jim and the crew....I'll miss him.
MOVIE NEWS!!!!
Some cool, and strange bits today...
1. Apperently, Jeremy Irons has joined the cast of the new "Dungeons and Dragons" movie. Hmm....this movie could be pretty good....
2. Apperently, the folks over at Disney are working with ABC to make a live-action Pinnochio musical for TV. So far, Drew Carrey is going to play Geppetto, I believe...but what's really cool, Brent Spiner is going to play Stromboli! The Puck sings!
3. Semi-scandal happening with George Lucas. Seems the author of the Dinotopia books is claiming George ripped off his designs from Dinotopia, and used them for SW1, such as the Naboo Palace...seems like a bunch of funny business, but then again, a few years ago Lucas *was* involved in attempting to make a Dinotopia film....
Mr. Sinister: I too am a big Sinister fan. He's always been an interesting character, IMO, and my second favorite X-Men villain. Plus, he's a true mad scientist, which I find endearing! ;)
Gargoyles Afterlife: I feel that one exists. It's only logical for one to, after all. We've seen the ghosts of Hakon and the Captain, leading us to believe that humans in the Gargoyles universe have some sort of afterlife. If they do, why not Gargoyles? It's possible they were created by the same deity as the humans. It could be the same afterlife as humans ("Heaven", for example), or could be specific for their race.
Personally, I'd enjoy it greatly if humans and gargoyles shared an afterlife. It'd be pretty tragic for characters such as Elisa or Matt to get into, say, Heaven, and be separated from their Gargoyle loved ones. This is one heck of a good question to Ask Greg.
The Weird Sisters: I too have the sneaking suspicion that they are actually the same being, just in three separate forms. I believe that in Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" series, he had his own version of the 3 witches, and that they were really one entity, yet in 3 incarnations. Perhaps this is the same with the Sisters....I can't really recall ever seeing them apart at any one time...
Paul: I think I should have explained myself better. Everyone has a psychological need for love and affection; we also have a need for companionship, to "fit in" with someone....anyone. It's part of our psychological makeup; we cannot truly develop socially unless we have the love or companionship of another, and this carries through until the day we die. (That's why solitary confinement is such a harsh punishment; it's not as easy as it seems to spend a extended period of time away from any contact with another human being). Some people are more solitary, and can handle lacks of love and companionship better, but everyone needs them. As for "peace"...perhaps cooperation would be a better word. Humans are social creatures; deep down we need to cooperate with each other to survive and thrive. In retrospective, I think that my use of the word "desire" was inappropriate. "Need" is a better word. Yes, we have choice in pretty much all we do, but we do need, on some level, love, companionship, and cooperation.
I was trying to make the point that Gargoyles seem very similar to humans in their mental processes. In fact, due to their very tight knit clan structure, I would assume that they are even more social than humans, and therefore would need just as much love, companionship, and cooperation as humans, if not more. (And they do seem to have this; with the exception of a few malcontents such as Demona or Iago, the clan is a very loving, friendly, cooperative family structure.)
Finally...about my JackaL post...I meant it. I'm glad to see a lot of you folks didn't take it the wrong way. I just feel that a good friend is about to leave us, when it need not happen. Jack, I'm serious, don't go.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, June 13, 1999 12:11:26 AM
IP: 207-172-45-179.s179.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
Where is this Star Wars personality test?
Coyote> Thanks for the clarification on the harpoon thing.
Elisa and weaponry> I think she would resist wearing more than standard police issue while dealing with the usual New York thugs. Maybe she'd wear a bulletproof vest or carry a different gun in a stakeout situation, but nothing any other New York cop wouldn't be using under the same circumstances. If she were wearing something like Xanatos' exo armor, it would make her stand out too much in her capacity as a plainclothes detective. But if Coldsteel or Jackal and Hyena came after her, she might be convinced that she should wear exo armor when she went after them. I don't see this being a regular occurrence though. She's too fond of that black shirt/ blue jeans/ red jacket outfit. I think it would be pretty much the same deal for the gargoyles. They might arm themselves before going up against a specific enemy such as Coldsteel or the cyborg twins, but for daily patrols they'd probably wear the usual.
I wonder how soon it will be before the Unseelie become a threat again. They'd need time to reorganize if they were going to strike as a group. But individual Unseelie would probably enjoy going out at night to play nasty tricks on humans and gargoyles. And there's no Madoc to tell them to restrict themselves to Halloween - or to any particular city. If a large group of them did decide to reorganize, Garlon might not be the one who ends up being the new Unseelie leader. He's not exactly charismatic. We all know what Sekhmet thought of him. I see him aiming at a more Rasputin-type role as advisor to some other Unseelie who the other Unseelie would follow.
What do you suppose Thailog has been doing all this time? Any chance we'll see him next season?
There was something else I wanted to say but I forgot it.
Jenniren
Saturday, June 12, 1999 11:38:37 PM
IP: user-2ivf0cb.dialup.mindspring.com
Re: Gargs Weaponry>> I hate to say it guys, but you CAN NOT load solid iron bullets into a rifled barrel, due to the fact that they will wear out the barrel within five rounds and jack chamber preasure off the scales. For the uninitiated out there, this means that the accuracy will suck and your gun might blow up. As you can see, this ain't exactly an ideal situation. Smoothbore weapons, such as shotguns, would still work, but don't try to just dump iron rounds into any old gat
Ghost of Gunjack
Saturday, June 12, 1999 10:52:56 PM
IP: spider-tm054.proxy.aol.com
CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC
Homosexuality: I'll be perfectly honest on this subject; I find sexual relations between two men wrong and somewhat disgusting. But don't get me wrong, although I don't approve of male homosexuality, that doesn't mean I think male homosexuals are evil. I've known a couple of gay men (they're not the same couple) and they seem to be pretty decent guys. To me, a gay man is like some guy who picks his nose in public. He may be well behaved, well dressed, and a pleasent person, but there's something about him that bugs you. And although I don't like those who take violent action against gays, I dissaprove of special laws that protect them and make heterosexuals "inferior" in the eyes of the law. And I don't entirely believe the stuff that people say about homosexuality being genetic a result of living in certain environments. They are strong factors, sure, but it sounds alot of the old "Blame Game." As I said before, I don't hate gays, I just dissapprove of some of their activities.
Lesbians, on the other hand, I have no problem with. I don't want to sound sexist, but lets be honest folks. Hasn't anyone noticed that lesbians are more socially acceptable than male gays. In fact, many men (admittingly, myself included) find the concept of female homosexuality allurring. Personally, I'm surprised that the ratings for "Ellen" didn't skyrocket when she came out. Of course after that, all the episodes were all about her being gay, so it got real old real fast.
I don't mean to offend anyone.
END CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC
Yesterday I went to the "Mark-it" store in the mall to pick up a pair of urban cammo fatigue pants for an outfit I'm putting together for the gathering, when I came across a bunck of t-shirts that have the names of various Government agencies (ATF, CIA, DEA, FBI, INS, IRS). I instantly bought the FBI shirt (I'm a big fan of the Bureau, although I could care less about the ATF or IRS) and went back into my van and put it on. I went back inside to see a movie and people kept asking me if I was really an agent or were saying "Hey look! That guy's in the FBI!" And every time I came across a bunch of those so-called "Goth" kids, they immediatly dispersed. In the theater, there was a group of guys who where so concerned because I was hanging around nearby them that one of the guys asked me if I was an agent. When I told him I wasn't, he said he was glad because he and his buddies were drinking.
I think that me and this shirt are in for some fun.
In fact, I might go back to the "Mark-it" for a couple of DEA and INS ones. I'll take the DEA one and visit a couple of public schools, and then wear the INS one and visit a few businesses just to see how they react:)
Tim P.
Saturday, June 12, 1999 10:24:17 PM
IP: s13-onawa.pionet.net
Kit Cloudkicker... The Disney Prince of Darkness? Attached to my name (clickie) is a spiffy web page that analyzes Talespin, and makes quite a lot of comments that I think cross over to Gargoyles very well, including Disney's treatment of it, and it also shows that another Disney show has a dedicated legion of fans that wants their series back, and more, including brief notes from a Talespin co-creator and list of edits that rivals the ammount of edits in Gargs. Definatley worth checking out and reading everything if ya have a few hours to spare.
Robby
Saturday, June 12, 1999 09:25:13 PM
IP: spider-to032.proxy.aol.com
I think I finally found it! I first posted in here on October 1 at 4:42 pm...and I don't regret one second of it :)
****REVIEW FOR MOVIE INSTINCT****
I'll admit that I get a little misty eyed in the movies as much as the next person, but I usually never cry. This movie makes my third tear jerker. I get very emotional when it comes to killing animals. Very funny---one of the gorillas was named Goliath! Go see it while you still can!
****END REVIEW****
Deuce> I was actually referring to some damn hot gargs ;) But if I make contact with any other species, I'll put in a good word for you!
Green Baron> I just want to strangle Clinton with his freakin' Monica tie! If I were any member of his family, I would legally change my identity!
Gyre> Freakin' hysterical!
SOROW
Saturday, June 12, 1999 09:24:29 PM
IP: usr12-dialup372.mix1.irving.cw.net
RP WARNING!!!!
**Chicago, IL
Cardinal Francis George is in his Office with Father Frank, Sr. Steve, and the Catholic schoolgirl scouts. He is congratulating them for their efforts in battling the AmChurch and the Call to Action, a dangerous order of Catholic herectics. Syddnely a voice is heard on the intercom.
"There are spaceships nearing Chicago. Mayor Daley has declared a state of emergency. Everyone has been ordered to evacuate Cook County. Meanwhile, the base of Daley's voters have risen from their graves and are attacking the city. We need help and a miracle."
Everyone looks aghast at the news. Cradinal George talks to Ave Maria.
"Ave, we need your help..."
"Sure thing, your Eminence. I sense Dahak is leading this attack and raising the dead. Brigitte, contact Rep. Hyde and Speaker Hastert. We need them to authorize some major defense spending. Therese, contact Rome with the need for some major help and some exorcists. Angelica, contact Toku Kaioto in Boston. He may be bale to help us on this mission. He sent in aide for GB a few months ago, and I think he may like battling an evil faerie and his minions. Bernadette, get our manuals on fighting the undead. It's in the special catechism. Everyone, grab your rosaries. This may be a battle we can only win on a wing and a prayer.**
To Be Continued, END RP for now
SJ> You didn't upset anyone. You were well spoken, though I doubt you can top Kaioto :)
Starsinger> You're right, roomie. Both sides should be considered.
Glimmer> I've had my fill of family vacations, though lack of funds really make them suck. I will neevr subject my family to them, ever. I'm glad you like how I look in a kilt **blush**
Aaron> Yep, that John Bellairs is one and the same. He worte a series of parodies titeld St. Fidgeta, which was about a Catholic girl in german before St. Boniface came, and she was killed for her faith. It was actually a joke like the other saints mentioned, but fairly funny. How many of his tales have you read?
CONTROVERSIAL STUFF!!!!!
Homosexuality> I agree with what Kaioto said about it. I think the amin cause of homophobia is that radicals like Gore Vidal and Barney Frank are shown as representative of homosexulas, while I bet the vast majority of homosexuality are not what the stereotypes show. Even though I am pretty conservative, I alos have no problem with legalizing same-sex marriages, though I suspect Democrats back this, because they can tax homosexuals more,a nd I've always viewed that Democrats in Office get horny whenever tehy can tax someone. I picture Senator Schumer and the three Dems he lives with in his DC townhouse watching re-runs of tax bills getting past the way some guys watch pornos to get a rise :)
Wilek and Christine, I always thought choice applied to someone choosing to practice. I find it odd taht soem people beleive a homsoexual is a heterosexual if they don't have sex with soemone of the same gender. I'm a heterosexual who doesn't practice, but I don't think that makes a homosexual, which is exactly what those people would be saying.
Abortion> Yep, I have the same beleif shared by Kaioto and SJ. This is that controversial social issue where I am super- conservative, I guess it comes form my beleif taht life begins at conception, not birth. To me, tehre may be justifications for abortion, since therea re justifications for taking a life generally.
Gun Control> Charlton Heston absolutely rules!!!!! :)
END CONTROVERSIAL STUFF!!!!
Pistoff> That sounds ridiculous what happened to you. i wear a trenchcoat with my suit in the winter. I wonder what reaction I'll get when winter rolls around.
SOROW> I hate Clinton too. I'll be glad to see that SOB go. I wish he could be appointed US Ambassador to Thailand, where his antics can get him a nice case of VD. Clinton could also be an Ambassador to China, since tehy've given him so much money.
Gunjack's ghost> I imagine Elisa's in the NRA and she should go down to Texas where she can get some real guns :)
Star Wars personality test> I tested as Darth Vader. I odn't what to make of that :)
Now, I must go. That's all folks.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Saturday, June 12, 1999 08:14:05 PM
IP: abd105be.ipt.aol.com
Here's a thought. I was watching "Action in The North Atlantic", and wondered how the characters in TGS would fit into a war movie from the 40's
Garlon, the evil nazi U-Boat captain. He specializes in ramming lifeboats full of survivors from his torpedoes.
Maeve, nazi spymaster
Madoc, commander of a nazi U-Boat Wolfpack. He only shows up when the escort destroyers take off after the decoy U-Boat.
George Harrison, commander of the decoy U-Boat.
Goliath, Captian of the tanker about to get torpedoed by Garlon's U-Boat.
Brooklyn, First Mate, who for some reason has never captained a ship of his own.
Broadway, ship's cook.
I can't think of any more for the moment.:(
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 08:07:37 PM
IP: fltg-ppp46.fltg.net
**enters the room, dressed in a fire suit, switching out the candles. People around the room start giving him angry looks.**
What? **looks down** Oh no, this isn't because of the flame war. Tomorrow I'm going to that race ... thought I'd dress for the occasion. **plops on the racing helmet, sits in the big chair** Well now, what's happened here ...
JackaL: Two words: DON'T LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!
**takes helmet off and places it respectfully over his chest in memoriam of Deforest Kelley**
SOROW: Revolving restaurant? Too kewl! Then all I'll need to do is get to the one at the summit of the Space Needle! :)
Star Wars test: I came up as Obi-Wan ... my mother came up as Chewbacca.
Pistoff, re: sucky stories: I'm still convinced that at least three of the fics I wrote in G:CM could've been left out, had they not had major plot points in them. (The three being "The Innocent Warrior," "Voices in the Dark Night," and "You're Not Cleared For That.") You're not alone, as Kitainia said. (Oh, and Mandi ... my offer still stands. Aim yer MSTie gun at any of my fics at any time ye please. :)
Dumb customers with buzzers: Heh ... I don't exactly deal with buzzers, but I *do* deal with folks equally as immature. But I have more trouble with people who don't keep their kids under control. Case in point ... one afternoon, when this couple weren't paying attention to their kid, it took the little brat exactly half an hour to ... **growls** ... push a bunch of distributor caps to the back of the shelf they were on and scramble the order to make them OUT OF SEQUENCE!!! It took *me* two hours to put everything back after the little craphead left. **mummble grumble**
Jenniren: I think I'm seeing what Paul is getting at, friend. He's talking about the differences of injury locations. While Oberon conceivably *could* eventually recover from the harpoon injury (much faster if it *wasn't* made of iron), Madoc ain't coming back from catastrophic head trauma inflicted by an enraged Demona swinging a cast iron morning star. He's talking about wound severity here, and in the big scheme of things a piercing wound in the gut will inflict decidedly less damage than being struck in the head with a heavy blunt object.
Hmm, the show just ended. Was watching that "Tarzan Live" show with the music ... I don't know about everyone else, but to me Tarzan looks like it's gonna be one hell of a movie.
Deuce: Bummer, dude ... hey, a bunch of us could get together and pummel the jerk into next week, whaddya think? (j/k)
Seriously, though ... I sincerely hope you have a chance to make up the project.
And that's all for me. If you get a chance, check out the race and see if you can spot me ... I'll be the 300+ pound guy in Row 9 of the center section wearing an airbrushed Goliath and Elisa shirt!
**puts the helmet back on, plants chin in hand, and fixates, though nobody can see his eyes through the face shield.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, June 12, 1999 07:58:24 PM
IP: 207.91.254.7
***INCREDIBLY LONG DC DEATH TO KICK OFF AN INCREDIBLY LONG POST!***
** Oddly enough, Deuce opens the skylights of the CR wide before beginning. He then approaches DC. His voice is quiet, deep, and laced with an edge that speaks of all the fires of hell... or more accurately, all the glories of heaven— denied you forever, while you watch your worst enemy enjoy them. **
I couldn't get into the CR all morning yesterday. Did you know that?
** DC nods, looking like a frighted rabbit. Deuce grabs his throat. **
I did, briefly, so at least I could compose some replies. Did you know that?
** DC tries to nod, but Deuce's hand around his windpipe makes it kinda tough. **
But then, I couldn't post. I tried. And tried. But it just. Didn't. Work.
** Deuce's hand tightens, and then loosens. He throws DC to the floor, steps on his ankle, and pulls out his pocketknife. He opens the longest blade: 2 1/2" (it's a cheap knife). DC's eyes go wide. **
It sucked to be me. But now it'll suck to be you.
** With a grim look of pure evil on his face, Deuce begins carving DC, first with light strokes, then deeper, more aggressive ones. When he is finished, there is little more than a pinkish mess on the floor. Deuce pours acid all over it, and adds a couple handfuls of some sort of white powder. DC's mutilated carcass bursts into pinkish-purple flames, hissing and smoking. Once they subside, a black scorch mark is all that's left. The toxic fumes float out through the skylight. **
***END DEATH!***
I... am... excessively... pissed off. Turns out the Drama presentation I was supposed to do yesterday fell through. My partner, who shows up for ONE out of FIVE rehersals, left the music tape with a friend who lives a few HUNDRED miles away. We, therefore, could not perform today. We, therefore, get a ZERO on our major term project. We, therefore, fail Drama.
** Deuce quietly goes severely insane... but then rights himself. **
SJ> Yeah, I watched parts of the movie awards. As soon as Mr. Perversity (aka Adam Sandler) came on, I turned it off. OK, he can be funny at times, but when every other word the guy says is "f—", it gets old. OK? You can be damned hilarious and at least keep it to a PG-13 level; overflows of obscenity totally turn me off, no matter what else he says.
SOROW> ["I vote that Stephen Dorff is the hottest *human* guy on the face of the planet!"] There are hot INhuman guys on this planet? Are their female counterparts equally attractive? Can I meet them somehow? 8-)
Kaioto> ["...this isn't half as bad as Freshman bus-rides home in Highschool."] Sophomores, juniors, and seniors aren't much better. There are these bus ads, with little pads of brochures. You're supposed to rip ONE off for more information on summer attractions/college or whatever... we crumple them up in balls and have paper fights. :-)
Gargoyle afterlife: My opinion, since I try to reconcile my beliefs with Gargoyles (it works, too), is that God know the ColdDuo would be returning to life eventually ("Of course I know. That's what omniscient means."), so He kept them in limbo. Or something. But when a gargoyle ceases to live (sufficeint damage to stone or flesh form), I believe they go wherever humans go. Fey... I'm not sure.
Wilek> ["..what *is* the point to catching them all?"] Umm... so you can say that you did? Maybe they all combine to form a Super Pokémon? *smacks self in head* No, this is not Transformers....
Glimmer> *LOL at the Savage Garden reference* I know how you feel; my sister loves those guys. Good luck at the reunion. I've mentioned anecdotes from my family get-togethers before... maybe I'll tell them another time. Don't sound as hellish as yours, I think.
DeForest Kelly died Friday. *bows head*
...
The Jackal/Aris "thing": Never again. We are mature enough, we are intelligent enough, and we should be careful enough not to seriously offend each other. This incident arose from some extreme miscommunication, which degenerated into a near flame war. Both parties have shown not to get along too well, and they knew that. Toes were stepped on, tempers flared, and nobody stopped it in time. Either Aris or JackaL could have just stopped, but ego and pride wouldn't allow it. I'm going to EM JackaL on Monday and talk to him, and I'll do the same with Aris. I want to patch this up before anyone gets too mad/sad/alienated.
But never, ever again will this sort of thing happen. If anyone sees that two people are getting close to flaming, play administrator for a minute and try to defuse it.
SJ> Funny, you always seem to think you're about to tick somebody off, and then you don't. :-)
*sighs* And you know what? That's all, folks. See you on Monday.
** Deuce walks out. **
Deuce @ the library (Again) - [deuce@softhome.net]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 06:29:36 PM
IP: 198.161.203.25
Gunjack: Love your ideas about Elisa "upgrading." She and the rest of the gargoyles should've started wearing armor a long time ago, given the number of times they keep getting shot at. In my ficverse, I have them using armor made out of spider web silk, which has already proven more effective than Kevlar IRL. Elisa definitely needs to build up her arsenal, too, even if she only does so by stocking up with iron bullets. Though I have to admit it'd be amusing to see her get fed up, as you said, and load herself up with some heavy artillery. Maybe she can keep a chaingun in her Fairlane's trunk ... ;)
SJ: I agree completely. I don't think anybody here will hate you for being a voice of reason.
JackaL: Please don't go. Your comments have always brightened my mood after a crappy day. This mess will blow over. Don't let it drive you away. But if you leave already, or have stopped reading the CR, you'll be missed. :(
The trenchcoat thing: This is ridiculous! When I delivered those pizzas, several people said hi to me, and one guy started in with the "Ohh! Pizza! Is it for me?" routine. Nobody noticed my trenchcoat except that woman in the office. School dress codes apply ONLY to the students. I graduated seven years ago, and nobody in that hellhole has any business telling me what I can or can't wear. I wear my trenchcoat because I like the way it looks, and that's all there is to it. If anybody wants to stop me from wearing it, they'll have to rip it off themselves. Personally, I wouldn't advise it.
**POSSIBLE CONTROVERSIAL STUFF**
Christine: To be honest, I probably wouldn't mind if a gay guy hit on me. At least then I could honestly say that SOMEBODY did. I'd prefer it to be a woman making moves on me, but it's been almost eight years since I've had anything of the sort happen to me. If a gay guy made a pass at me, I'd say thanks, I'm flattered, but I'm straight, sorry, here's your ten bucks back.
Interspecies sex vs. bestiality: Zath said it best. We humans are animals. There are only two basic forms of life (called "kingdoms," if I remember correctly), plant and animal. Humans certainly aren't plants. Well, a lot of my customers could be considered vegetables, but still ... Humans and gargoyles are both animals, they're just sentient ones. If the plumbing fits together and both partners are happy with it, go for it. Too bad IRL people like me don't have that additional option ...
CONTROVERSIAL STUFF OVER
Glimmer, Dags, Wilek, GXB: Thanks for the support. :)
Kitainia: Ye gods, your customer story really hit home. I run into people like that all the time. Where I work, people are compelled to play with the bell on the door until we give them their pizza. And then there are the people who insist on jangling their keys constantly. But the ones you mentioned have all the others beat. I hope those childish twerps never return to your store.
And thanks for the words of encouragement. I'm glad I'm not alone, in regards to paranoia about my stories. They seem to be coming out okay, though ten years of rejection by publishers and magazine editors definitely takes its toll. Truce should be ready soon; there are only two major scenes left, I believe, then it should be finished. Then maybe I can have time for a full night's sleep and then catch up on some things I should've been doing weeks ago. Again, thanks. :)
Pistoff - [pistoff@anti-social.com]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 05:51:26 PM
IP: wire-14.koalas.com
Ooo, one last note - I agree w/ David G: Elisa needs more guns. However, don't mock the one she's got. The sucker looks like a Glock, and all of those, from the lowly .380 to the awesome 10mm and .45, look almost exactly alike. The only reason I can think up of to suggest that her pistol is a 9mm is that she survived getting shot with it by Broadway.
Still, she needs bigger guns. I freakin' LOVE the idea of elisa in powered armor, and that would really start evening up the odds in the fights she gets into. At the least, Xanatos should provide her with a suit like the one he wore in... "Eye Of The Beholder", I think it was, where he had a suit hidden under his trenchcoat. Barring that, she should invest in a good shotgun, possibly a SPAS-12, or a light auto such as a MP-5K. Those would easily put her back in the running as nasty fighter.
How do we bring about these upgrades? Try this!
Elisa was almost killed by Madoc, and had to be saved by Demona. After her recovery, she becomes fed up with always being left behind in battles, and goes on a self-defense rip.
The ghost of Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, June 12, 1999 04:43:23 PM
IP: spider-tl072.proxy.aol.com
*A ghostly hologram of Gunjack Valentine enters the room*
Just a few quick notes here, folks...
Jackel - If you're reading this, please don't leave. This whole mess ain't worth the loss of a Clan member, so let's just all chill out. And no, I for one don't think that you just cause trouble all the time. I was here when this all started and I STILL don't understand what kicked this mess off, but it ain't worth people leaving.
On the other hand, I don't want to see Aris walk either. The idea here is for everybody to just get along, not for people to worry about pride or winning a flamewar.
On a lighter note, I was wondering if anybody here can give me a hand. I'm about to start a GURPS campaign with my friend Ben, and we've decided to set it in Gargoyles 2158. He's playing a covert agent for a rich corperate official(think Xanatos' Bruno or Fleance and Banquo for MacBeth). Anyway, any fun ideas for stuff to put him through?
More comments as time permits
The ghost of Gunjack Valentine
Dallas
Saturday, June 12, 1999 03:45:48 PM
IP: spider-tl054.proxy.aol.com
SJ> Well Said! I am neither angered nor alienated. I was trying to think of something like that last night (this morning?) but after all my other comments, my brain was shot and it wasn't coming out right.
JackaL> Let me change my plea of "come back soon" to match SJ's "Don't leave at all". (you can keep the fish)
Zath
Saturday, June 12, 1999 01:40:48 PM
IP: ns11-17.viptx.net
Here's where I probably anger and alienate most of you.
I couldn't read the entire CR last night because, whatever problem was afflicting it, I could only load about 3 percent of it. What I did see, however, was Jackal banning himself.
I read his post, and I got PISSED. Because, you see, I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that the whole thing was unnecessary. This whole "controversy" did not start because JackaL made some dark, evil comment about Brooklyn being gay. He made a silly little post about questioning Brooklyn's sexuality--like a million of his other posts, which have been FAR more "controversial" and "extreme" in the past--but this thing only blew up when his message got confused, and one particular individual said something to him. You know who I'm talking about, and if I catch a lot of crap for saying this, so be it. We all know who the individual is, and unlike others, I myself do not see that person as an innocent victim. JackaL's whole original comment was nothing. It was harmless, just like all his other posts are harmless, even though some found it distasteful and that it borderlined on "R" rated. However, when you-know-who decided to say something, things hit the fan. JackaL was making one of his usually posts, being sort of silly, and this person took it seriously. And this BS began.
I'm not saying JackaL is innocent in all this. Yeah, he sort of fueled the fire. True, he didn't help himself much by repeatedly posting certain remarks. I'm just saying all this could have been avoided if a certain someone, who has a bad history with JackaL, who "can't win", had known not to get into something with him. Even when JackaL made another comment, they should have stopped right there and realized what could start, and they should have backed down before the fireworks began. No, Jack shouldn't have kept pushing the issue, but the way I see it, I didn't see the other party exactly drop it either.
Maybe I'm rambling. But what I see here is, a friend of mine feels that he has to leave because he can't get along with ONE individual. ONE individual who, way I see it, didn't do a whole lot to stop the situation from degenerating into a shouting match. Everyone in this room can hate me for coming to Jack's defense, I don't care. Flame me, do whatever you want. I think, in some ways, he got the raw end of the deal. If you disagree, fine. That's how I feel.
I'm gonna say what others aren't seeming to do: JACKAL, DON'T GO. If you want, lay low for a while, keep it low key. But don't leave because of ONE individual. I for one would hate to see you go because of this whole entire BS. I'm asking you NOT TO LEAVE. Don't fall on your sword over this crap.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 01:28:35 PM
IP: 207-172-120-111.s111.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
Kitainia > <<I too dislike Cable and typically root for Apocalypse in their battles.>> I'm a fan of Mr. Sinister myself. <<I was always hoping Apocalypse would kill Cable, making Scott and/or Jean really pissed off, thus giving them some character development. Looks like that will never happen. Oh well.>> The part about killing Cable or the part about the character development? Killing Cable is certainly possible since Marvel specializes in bringing dead characters back. Character development is another thing entirely. Having the X-Men wallow in grief and self-pity is not the same as character development.
Kitainia > <<It made me wonder if dragons got the more creative powers while fay got the more destructive ones.>> and Wilek <<That made me wonder if dragons and Fey were once the same species, and somehow separated into these two very different aspects.>> Very interesting comments. Do dragons have the power to give life - real life and not some semblance of it - where there was none before? I'd like to know more about that human who was fighting on the side of the dragons against the fey in the First Great War. Was the human repaying a debt to a dragon? Why are dragons usually viewed as benevolent in China yet evil in many other parts of the world? Is it merely because of their appearance or ?
Goliath's Age:
Here's a list of character ages that I copied out of Ask Greg. By "biological age" I think it means how aged the character is, keeping in mind that gargoyles age at half the rate that humans do. Goliath is as aged as a 29 year old human, which is as aged as a 58 year old gargoyle would be. Add 1000 to that for the 1000 years Goliath was under the sleep spell and not aging at all. So in 1999, Goliath would be 1061 and the equivalent of a human 30 ½ years old (as Wilek said).
*****
Ages in parenthesis represent biological age when that age differs from the character's chronological age.
As of December 31, 1996:
Hudson - 1118 (59)
Goliath - 1058 (29)
Trio - 1038 (19)
Angela - 952 (21)
Bronx - 1018 (9)
Demona - 1058 (35)
Coldstone - 1058 (28)
Macbeth - 991 (52)
Xanatos - 41
Fox - 30
Alexander - not yet 1
Elisa - 28
Talon, Dracon - 26
Beth - 21
Katharine - 1020 (62)
Tom - 1010 (52)
Gabriel, Ophelia, Boudicca - 952 (20)
In 994, Demona and Goliath were both 56 years old chronologically (twenty- eight biologically, i.e. in human terms.) In 1020, Demona was 82 (or 41) and aging prematurely because of the extremely difficult life she was leading. In 1040, Demona was 102 (51) until she recieved Macbeth's youth in magical trade. He was 35 (35) so she became 102 (35). He became 35 (51). They've been stuck at those (biological) ages ever since.
*****
Paul Allen Nathans> <<As for power level, Oberon got nailed, in armor, with a harpoon. Madoc got smashed in the head with a mace. Both are iron. Oberon was nailed in the midsection or slightly below, meaning the abdemon, but I think it was the midsection. Madoc was bashed in the head. There's no 'power level'. What does this tell you people!?>> Umm... That Oberon and Madoc have brains but no guts? I'm not sure I get your point.
Jenniren
Saturday, June 12, 1999 10:36:18 AM
IP: user-2ivf54u.dialup.mindspring.com
Now I finally have time for a Post. I've been busy playing LUNAR: SILVER STAR STORY: COMPLETE. Doug, I'd get that Game, if you don't already have it. I've been waiting three Years for it, and now I finally have it. Its no XENOGEARS, but its still incredible.
Sevarius Junior-Before I get to the THE GARGOYLES SAGA Commentary I have to put in a word here. Okay, this may turn into one of my 10K commentaries or it may not, it depends on whether or not I feel like using my time this way. Oh, and don't ask me about my life, people, please. I don't 'find time' to type a lot, I'm able to type 11 Pages in as little as 2 Hours sometimes, if inspired enough, and I know where I'm going.
Anyways, your 'basic desires' about love, peace, and companionship is what I'm going to comment on. Nearly everyone wants somebody to care about them, but placing this under 'desire' makes me think you mean 'desire as in 'for a toy' or for something petty. Wanting to be cared about is completely different than desiring something. Please do not insult any aspect of life in any reason. Wanting to be cared about grows out of having family and all that. Or wanting to be loved can come from elsewhere, but it only comes from the individual. Don't ever say 'base desire'. Humans choose how to live themselves. There's no 'base desire' at all for anything. Nothing but our own choices can control us, and those choices are fully under our control. There are no exceptions. Companionship I presume means friendship. Again, same thing. Peace!? Uh, there are waaaaay too many people who seem to think violence is right. Or there are idealists who picture themselves as heroes or heroines who seem to want to deal with all the world's problems. The latter is mostly story-related, but I disapprove of those dreams. I can't answer beyond that, because I don't have any answers yet. You should try to help, but beyond that, I dunno'. I'll touch back on this one because its patrially related to further commentary.
THE GARGOYLES SAGA: AFTERMATH, PART I: Neat Episode, although not as great as THE DARKEST HOUR. Someone needs to watch their 'End Tags', though, for lack of a better term.
The Othello/Desdemona character development was great, obviously, but that's not first because its best. I'm not sure there was a best; the whole story was great. I'm mentioning it first because it seems to be the most widely debated.
Titania saved them as thanks. She helped Elisa (thanks to Jenniren, I believe, for pointing out why she couldn't save her 'directly', to spare me that time of having to say so, which I kept forgetting, and would've eventually mentioned) indirectly, and helped the others directly.
As for how, they were revived through technology, so Titania could repair them from their fragments. Attempt that with a lifeless gargoyle and you'd fail. That's obvious.
Owen is gone. Puck is gone. I thought he 'might' have been sharing Alex's mind briefly in THE DARKEST HOUR, PART II, or in the stuffed animal, but I dismissed it. Alex is simply talking to the fuzzy. I hope.
We've had too many deus ex machinas. As much as I regret someone having perished, let's be realistic here.
Matthew and Sara-Handled well. If Martin Hacker was still following them around, though, he might've had a bit of a problem. Well, then, who knows what the Illuminati can do, but I think he'd use normal means.
Angela and Demona-That one scene with Angela flying that was around four paragraphs long could've been done better. The rest was great, as was Demona's turmoil.
Lexington-Great there too.
Now, regarding a few other topics.
Here's one I forgot from last week.
Madoc doesn't control the Unseelie Court, they heard his cry because it was psychic. That alone could be distracting, and in some cases, demoralizing.
As for power level, Oberon got nailed, in armor, with a harpoon. Madoc got smashed in the head with a mace. Both are iron. Oberon was nailed in the midsection or slightly below, meaning the abdemon, but I think it was the midsection. Madoc was bashed in the head.
There's no 'power level'.
What does this tell you people!?
Elisa-Okay, here we go.
Elisa would not, read, would not, be happy as a gargoyle. Furthermore, the only way Elisa and Goliath's relationship could go further is if they became mates/married, whatever term you wish to use. That might happen, but that is so far off from the center of her character that its unimportant. Elisa has been the first, and the closest, friend to the Manhattan Clan. Her trust in them, and her devotion, and friendship to them, as well as her devotion to her friends, devotion to protect, and, her devotion to her family, is her Character. Anything else besides is what developed from that Character. She has been developing steadily outside of her relationship with Goliath, which is rather peripheral to her Character. And to her, if you count those other factors. This should be read by all those people who consume her Character with romance with Goliath.
I remember skimming a Fanfiction waaay back and arriving at something where Elisa was under someone's control and wouldn't shoot Goliath because she loved him, but couldn't stop herself from shooting herself. Hah!
She regards her life as important, and is very good at differentiating between living, and not. Fighting against control to save her life would be as easy as not shooting Goliath. Oh, and if she had, they could've dodged. They didn't even try to stop her from shooting Goliath, which, thankfully, she didn't. She's sacrificed herself numerous times to aid others, but to save her own life, when others are in danger, would be just as easy.
It wouldn't been more plausible if she hadn't shot Goliath because she wouldn't hurt any of her friends.
The only place I see wavering with reason is choosing between what's more important. The life of everyone, or her friends. As LETHE demonstrates.
Speaking of said argument, I have commentary on a comment Sara made in THE LONGEST DAY. 6,000,000 to 0 for apologies, as male, to female!? Even if that was true, and if she did 'know all', Elisa was the one doing the apologizing over the Dracon argument. I know it was a joke, but I am going to defend apologies anyway.
Back to topic.
Elisa is not the type of person who would give up everything for love. To help any of her friends, yes. Point is, if both Goliath, and one of the other Clan were being fired on, she'd be just as likely, if she had equal distance in time, to throw herself in front of either one. It'd be a hard choice, but that's because she could only try to save one, and hope the other could dodge.
She is much more than a 'love interest for Goliath', and calling her only that I take as an insult to her.
Fighting, Winning, Good, and Evil-GARGOYLES has never been about those four in a 'versus' sense, to whoever mentioned the 'not able to win'. Like XENOGEARS, the theme of GARGOYLES is life.
'Dancing the Colors'-I believe I stated that this isn't the most accurate way to portray Demona. She's been hurt, and she still doesn't really have a reason to live. Even in DARK AGES, that seemed to be lacking. Everything possible for her to enjoy was taken away. She was emotionally unstable from even in DARK AGES.
XENOGEARS: Yesssss!!!!! Another XENOGEARS fan!!!!! Okay, Kitania, what's your favorite parts, and/or least favorite parts? Also, since I haven't settled this part with you, yet, as this is obviously my first commentary to you, what did you feel the theme of XENOGEARS was?
That brings up another point.
Doug, what did you originally think the theme of XENOGEARS was?
Also, by the crossover idea, I didn't mean placed in the Season. I meant however you wanted to do so with it.
Back to LUNAR: SILVER STAR STORY: COMPLETE.
"Duty, or love?"-Ghaleon
LUNAR: SILVER STAR STORY: COMPLETE
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 09:30:26 AM
IP: 34.morristown-03-04rs.nj.dial-access.att.net
JackaL> While some of your posts were a little on the disturbing side, they were always interesting. You will be missed. Here, have a snack for the road. **Zath gives JackaL a clear plastic bag containing water and a small orange fish.** Come back soon.
***** WARNING: CONTROVERSIAL CONTENT *****
I know I'm a bit late with this, but everyone else shared their views and I felt I should do the same, so I'm tossing in my $0.02. If you're sick of it all by now, feel free to skip this. I have no intention of starting another flame war. I just wish to share what's in my head at the moment.
First off, I personally don't see anything wrong with homosexuals or homosexual acts as long as all the participants are consenting adults. So long as no one is forcing anything on anyone else, what they do together is fine and dandy. In response to whoever it was who said that homosexuality was unnatural because it did not contribute to the continuation of the species, I would like to point out that there are many things about humans that do not focus on passing genes. I'm not just talking about watching sunsets (an example someone used) either. Just look at post-menopausal women. They can't have children, but they aren't unnatural and they still have much to share with society because, unlike many species, humans can pass on more to the next generation than just our genes. They can pass on knowledge, something that at times can be far more important than a mere double helix or two. And anyway, as other people pointed out, the human race seems to be doing far more procreating than is necessary at the moment.
As far as interspecies romance is concerned, I must say that I consider gargoyles to be animals. Before anyone jumps down my throat, let me also add that I think humans are animals too. Just because we have opposable thumbs and use tools doesn't make us any better than the rest of the monkeys on this planet. If you don't like that reason, think of this: gargoyles are neither vegetables nor minerals (at least not at night) so that doesn't leave very much else for them to be other than animals, but the same thing goes for humans so neither species is any better than the other in that respect. On the topic of humans and gargoyles actually getting "intimate" with each other, it all goes back to my statement about consenting adults. Sure, it's kinky, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it bestiality (that word makes me think of rednecks raping farm animals). If they can make the parts fit together and everyone is happy, then good for them, just don't wake me up with the bellowing and moaning.
That's pretty much all I can think of to say on those subjects at the moment. If I've offended some people, tough, just file me and my opposing view point under the category of "diversity" and thank me for spicing up your life. If everyone thought the same way, this place wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun as it is.
***** END CONTROVERSIAL TYPE STUFF *****
Wilek> <<made me wonder if dragons and Fey were once the same species, and somehow separated into these two very different aspects>> You mean the Dragons and the Fey are like the Mystics and the Skeksis? Hmmm... makes me wonder what gargoyle muppets would look like : )
***** DC ABUSE *****
Zath whistles and T Horror enters carrying a thoroughly bound but struggling Dis Connect. A convenient hook lowers itself from the CR ceiling and T Horror attaches it to the obnoxious hacker's feet. The blond clone releases DC and he swings like a pendulum as the hook raises slightly, bringing him up to Zath's eye level. DC tries to say something, but TH grabs his head and forces the man's jaws open, allowing Zath to snap a mousetrap on his tongue (can you tell I just saw Payback >: )?). DC squeals in pain and then his eyes go wide in terror as he sees what else TH was carrying, a pair of whips. T Horror gives one of the whips to Zath and the pair take turns working over DC. "This is for making me have to try so many times to get a connection that actually works!" *Whack* "This is for making the room so slow today!" *snap* "This is for making the problem twice as bad by having my server be such a piece of junk!" *Crack* etc... Eventually, after several hours. the two get tired. Suddenly Zath gets an idea and shouts "Anyone else want a turn at it?" There is loud cheering from around the room and a long line forms. DC whimpers as Zath and T Horror hand over their whips to the first pair of CR dwellers in the line, who step up and begin to take their own revenge.
*****END DC ABUSE. (Who knows, maybe if we smack him enough he'll break open and candy will fall out.)*****
Wow, it's almost dawn. I guess I should log off and head to my roosting perch. Hopefully, next time I come through here, everyone (myself included) will be in a better mood. Bye all.
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 06:17:05 AM
IP: ns7-08.viptx.net
Only thirteen days until the Gathering 99.
You know people, everyone's sympathy is with 'poor' misunderstood Jackel. Well, what about Aris. All he did was use Jackel's name to get his attention to say ok we're quits. He got a major flame for it. I just hope this doesn't drive Aris away as well.
People, we are family. We have people here from every corner of the globe. Many of them have very different points of view. We have people from Canada, England, Austrailia, New Zealand, Germany, Greece, Poland, islands in the Carriabean, and other places I probably have missed. The point?? If we can't be civil with one another, if one word can set off a tirade of bad language (and that's my pet hate) what's the use of coming here?
When the Littleton crisis hit, when Kosovo hit, when we loss members of our family for timeout, family (their family) misunderstandings, sickness, weddings and the like, we put together. We discuss. We argue. We share ourselves. Most of all we act civil towards one another even if our point of view is so different we may not be on the same planet. Mostly, we RESPECT OUR DIFFERENCES.
Aris and Jackel will never be friends. They have mutually agreed to stay in neutral corners. But please don't leave us. Either of you.
Jackel we are concerned about you. We need to know if things are rough. We listen. We don't always agree with what you say, but having someplace to go where you can shout at the wind, helps keep the hurt from festering.
Ok people remember. Be civil. Repect each other. And above all, remembe WE ARE CLAN.
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 05:17:03 AM
IP: proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net
The Aris/Jackal thing> I hope I'm wrong, but I'm starting to think that I set this whole thing off by telling Jackal about Matthew Watson's fanfic, and for this I humbly apologize. <hands Deuce and Robby a set of matching light antitank weapons with the CR logo on them> <sigh> Fire at will...
David G.> <<A boken (which I may have spelled wrong) is a wooden Katana. Sata probably has a spare one somewhere.>> Ah. Hm, that sounds like something that's used in kendo training...
Star Wars personality test> Apparently I'm similar to the older Obi-Wan Kenobi. Can't really see it, but then I wasn't fully awake when I took the test...
**Bit of controversy**
Christine> <<a reference to a gargoyle _choosing_ homosexuality. As I understand it, it's not a _choice_; nobody deliberately sets out to be one way or t'other or both or neither. Similarly, people can't really be 'turned' or 'cured.'>> Actually...no offense to you or anyone else, but...I've always thought that one chooses one's sexuality, whether consciously or not, and the fact that a number of homosexuals have indeed been 'turned'--by their own decision; it's pretty much impossible to force the matter--would seem to bear this out. Heh, if it were genetic, as has been suggested, the whole issue could be solved with a simple airborne retrovirus. >:)
**End**
Glimmer> Ack...that town sounds *awful*. Like something right out of a Stephen King novel...
Bronx Wyvern> <<How old is Goliath?>> Um...I'm not sure, actually. Not counting his 1000 years in stone sleep, I always thought he was chronologically in his late 60s (biological late 30s). I'm probably wrong though...
Argent> <<Thanks for the technical info!>> You're quite welcome. ^_^ <<The point of 'catching them all'? If you get right down to it: bragging rights.>> Really? Hm. I had no idea; I've never really understood the concept of bragging rights...
Blue Caeru> <<I can't seem to load the whole CR...>> Me neither. I thought it was just my ISP acting up (as usual), but a lot of other ppl seem to be having the same problem. Fortunately, it loads my previous post, so I can respond to everything since then. :)
Coyote> <<Hyena manages to smuggle herself into Rose's Connecticut private high school as a substitute teacher, in order to fulfill a contract on Rose's life. Thanks, dude!!!>> Kewl! And you're welcome. :)
Toku Kaioto> That...was so...brilliant... <snif>
Gunjack Valentine> Forgot last time: Goodbye, and I hope you can get back soon. :)
Jackal> Leaving, huh. Well, Kaioto said it better than I ever could, but...you're a brave individual. Goodbye.
Kitainia> <<Two guys kept holding tapes up to the anti-theft system, not stealing them but instead triggering the system with the tapes and then as soon as it stopped beeping triggering it again.>> This kind of person is why the powers that be invented bladed weapons. <<Pistoff, you're not the only writer who's often afraid his work will suck as he or she writes it and yet keeps at it anyway, trusting himself or herself to do a good job. Doug's that way, too.>> So I see I'm not alone. I was sure my first two stories would bomb, but ppl seemed to like them. Now all I'm worried about is being unable to carry out my current plans, due to my unpredictable writing schedule. :) <<It made me wonder if dragons got the more creative powers while fay got the more destructive ones.>> That made me wonder if dragons and Fey were once the same species, and somehow separated into these two very different aspects. Bizarre, I know, but it's late. :)
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, June 12, 1999 03:20:11 AM
IP: tnt-1-91-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
**RP HERE**
In the Phalanx-infested city of Giza, Major Charleston (Zale's aide) and Cameron Hodge are watching over several Phalanx drones as they install a TechnoNuke generator dish and control console on the Great Pyramid's top. "Now remember," Charleston tells Hodge as he hands him a remote control for the sound-weapon. "Your new device is to be used only if enemy Borg attack you. If they don't, it will be useless. You got that?" "I do," Hodge says, taking the control and assimilating it into his skin. "Does Thailog have any further instructions for us?" "Only that your operation proceed on schedule. How close are you to launching the assimilation-ICBMs?" "We have just finished mass production of the virus. Even as we speak, it is being loaded into the nine missiles that will target each of Earth's continets and the two major oceans. Our bombs can each assimilate twenty thousand square miles, and when deployed simultaneously with Guod's assimilation of the Earth's core and lower surface layers, the whole planet should be under our control in a matter of hours." "Excellent. I trust they will be launched on schedule. I'll leave things in your hands and your master's now, Hodge, I need to get back to the secret base."
The display changes to the Onslaught's trailer at Crown Point, where Doug and Kitainia are talking with Ruth. "Listen," Ruth is saying to them, "I was a fool to want to join you and come save the world like this. In my first fight with one of their elite soldiers, I easily got knocked out. I don't know how much use I'm going to be to you guys. I probably shouldn't be here anyway, I am only fourteen." "Listen, Ruth," Doug says, "we understand your feelings, but we want you to know that we still trust and believe in you. We also need all the help we can get here, and if you want to stay, that'd be great. If you want to leave, though, we understand." Ruth nods. "Thank you. I think I'm going to stay for your battle with the Borg. I'm a good shot with a hunting rifle, maybe if I stay out of the action I can take down a few of them without getting myself killed. After it's over, I'll leave." "But I thought you didn't have anywhere to go," says Kitainia. "I lied," Ruth says. "My mother lives in Chicago, she and my dad divorced when I was five. I just wanted to come with you more than I wanted to go to her. I'm sorry." "It's okay," Doug replies. "We understand. Just try to stay out of trouble in our coming battle, okay? We want you to go back to your mother alive." Ruth nods. "I'll do my best." Kitainia smiles and turns to face the CR.
**PAUSE RP**
Hi everyone. My first annoying customer incident occured at Blockbuster today. Two guys kept holding tapes up to the anti-theft system, not stealing them but instead triggering the system with the tapes and then as soon as it stopped beeping triggering it again. They did this when myself and the other employees were busy with a long line of customers, so we could not respond to their antics. Finally Martha, the night manager, had to come out and yell at them. The jerks engaged her in a vigorous shouting match, angry at Martha for spoiling their fun. Eventually she took the tapes from them and loudly ordered them to get out of the store and never come back. They left. Throughout all this, myself and the other employees kept manning our counters and helping people check out, trying to ignore the episode. <sighs> Hope those guys never come back again.
In other news, Doug and I saw Austin Powers 2 this afternoon. Here's our review of it:
**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR THE NEW AUSTIN POWERS FILM**
This movie wasn't as good as we expected it to be. It got a 5/10 from us, sideways thumbs. It was in many ways better than the first movie, but also in many ways worse. The bad parts- it had a more convoulted and cliched plot, there were still WAY too many unnecessarily obscene sex jokes, Dr. Evil's two new henchmen were not interesting characters (Fat Bastard was stupid, cliched, and so disgusting he almost made me throw up a couple times; and Mini-Me was not only stupid and annoying but also terribly cliched and not funny at all), Dr. Evil had fewer memorable lines and unfortunately became the victim of two many stupid jokes (a great comic villain like him does not deserve this, IMO), and Austin was not an admirable hero in this movie thanks to his ego growing larger as the film progressed and thus in many ways totally ruining the plot.
Those were the bad points. There were good things about the film, too, however. One, Felicity Shagwell was a good heroine whose character was developed well in most of her scenes (she was also rather cliched, but in a good way). Heather Graham pulled off an excellent preformance. My only complaint about Felicity was that she was a little too victimized by the script (did they have to make her sleep with that obscene obese jerk?). Another good part of the movie was the characters of Scott Evil, Frau Farbisia (sp?), and Number 2. These characters were all shown and developed well, the actors playing them pulled off great preformances, and their presence actually made parts of the movie enjoyable and interesting. I hope they team up to kill off Dr. Evil and Mini-me in the next movie, thus becoming Austin's major nemeses. No way he'll stand a chance against their efficency and intelligence (and since Austin is little more than an annoying egotistical pervert IMO, I kinda want the bad guys to beat him). Also, some of the movie's jokes were funny (emphasis on some), like the Jerry Springer bits. So it had its ups and downs. I recommend that people should go see it, but go in prepared to be disgusted and bewildered (were all the music video bits really necessary, how could anyone possibly think some of the scenes (eg, the penis jokes) were funny?) several times as you watch.
BTW, Doug and I know the film was supposed to be a spoof of spy movies and little more than that. We know it wasn't supposed to have an interesting plot or characters, we know it was supposed to be slightly offbeat humorous entertainment and little more. But we still evaluated it in the same way we would any other movie, no matter what it was or was not supposed to do.
**END SPOILERS FOR AUSTIN POWERS 2**
X-Men Characters: I too dislike Cable and typically root for Apocalypse in their battles. (Side note- I was always hoping Apocalypse would kill Cable, making Scott and/or Jean really pissed off, thus giving them some character development. Looks like that will never happen. Oh well.) Look at Doug and Robby's earlier remarks about their characters for my feelings on Scott and Jean. I too used to like them, but now I don't because they've gotten so cliched and stale.
SJ: I agree with you about the President. He needs more intelligent people for political advisers, people more dedicated to serving America and not helping their boss stay in Washington and thus staying in power themselves. Come to think of it, the entire government of our country needs more people like this. We need to stop letting stupid censorship anti-everything-except-what-we-think-is-good people and political action groups run the country, and put power back in the hands of the smart caring people where it belongs. Of course, with the way our country has unfortunately become, that's probably not going to happen anytime soon, if it does at all. <sighs>
Thanks for the commentary on the MTV movie awards. Too bad I was unable to watch them, that Jim Carrey speech and the Alyson Hannigan tongue-kiss sound like they were interesting to see. :) I regret that James VanDerBeek and Katie Holmes got undeserved awards, though. Oh well, can't change it now. You may be interested to know that tonight Doug and I made some suitable plans for VanDerBeek in the RP. You're really going to be entertained by them when they come out. <Muhahahhahaha>
Coyote: You're welcome. Looking forward to reading WCC when the parts of it you've written come out.
Christine, Pistoff: Looking forward to reading your upcoming new stories, too. Oh, and Pistoff, you're not the only writer who's often afraid his work will suck as he or she writes it and yet keeps at it anyway, trusting himself or herself to do a good job. Doug's that way, too. I often have to help him keep some optimism about his work, in addition to my other contributions. :)
SOROW: Sorry to hear you had a less-than-enjoyable vacation, but glad you survived it. Welcome back!
Valentine: Will miss you. Hope you have fun at camp and with your friend.
Deuce: Hope you start feeling better very soon. Let us know if there's anything we can do to help speed your recovery. :) Good luck on your finals, too.
StarWarsTest: Doug and I are both most like Obi-Wan. Guess that's a good thing. <grin>
David G: Good character sketch of Elisa. Hope to see the rest of your magic essay (particularly the section on Artifacts) soon.
Garg Equipment: I agree that they need more than they have. Radio headsets would be a good thing, also some armor that is easy to move in and yet very protective against bullets and other weapons used by the modern crook. I know that Brooklyn already has such armor, and his family probably does too (after all, they've been to the future, they probably got some futuristic light and yet very protective layers of armor woven into their clothes), but the rest of the clan should also get some if they can.
Mary: Congrats on completing your sophomore year of high school.
Fay Power: Good comments about this, Kaioto and SJ. Your talks gave me a creativity demon, btw. I thought about how in Sun and the Serpent Apep mentioned that dragon magic can't take life, just as fay magic can't give it. It made me wonder if dragons got the more creative powers while fay got the more destructive ones. If this is true, it's interesting that so many of the fay are seen by humans as creators and gods of some kind, whereas dragons are mostly seen as the most destructive beings in existence. Wonder if the more visible dragons outside of China all used their powers in the wrong way.
Taleweaver: <i hope that I've bucked the odds in showing that marriage, or mating in Brooklyn and Sata's case, is just the beginning of a most interesting adventure> I think you have, and written some damn good stories about it, too. :)
<Moment of silence for Deforest Kelly, one of my father's longtime idols. I never watched the original Star Trek show, but as the daughter of a Trekkie, I still feel regret at his death.>
Jackal: You will be missed, thanks for all the entertainment you've provided during your time here. I agree with Kaioto that your departure was a noble act, my blessings go with you. Even if you don't post in here, I hope you will still lurk around and read our words.
That's all for tonight. Later ppl!
**BEGIN SECOND HALF OF RP**
Kitainia turns back to Doug as Ruth walks off to do some practice with her rifle. "You really think we can win this one?" she asks. "I saw that listing of Guod's possible forces, and their numbers and apparent high level of armament and skills make me very concerned." "We're going to win, Kit," Doug assures her. "We have to. We're the good guys here, we need to save the world. Besides, we've beat Guod and his Borg before, we can do it again." "We've never fought them in such high numbers, though." "Don't worry. We have Wilek's forces and all our friends backing us up, plus the best possible weapons and supplies from DumlaoX. I think, that baring anything unexpected such as a Traveler interference or some secret weapon that Thailog has and we don't know about yet, we have a very good chance." "I hope you're right," Kitainia says. She leans back and begins field-stripping her laser rifle, awaiting the time when Agent Rho's recon patrols will locate Guod's army and their battle can begin.
Meanwhile, in the skies over Chicago, the Star Destroyers sent out by Admiral Nipon to attack the city come to a stop. "We're in a holding pattern now, sir," one of the lead ship's officers says to the fleet commander Captain Teruda. "Ready to attack as soon as we recieve okay." "Very well," Teruda says. "What do you think, Dahak? Should we attack now?" "Yes," the evil fay says. "Begin by destroying their factories and railroad depots, then move on to the militia installations, the other industrial and transport areas, and finally the residential and commercial districts. Engage any Avatar of Ganon forces as soon as they appear. Our mission is one of distraction as well as destruction, Captain, I hope you will remember that." Neruda nods, realizing Dahak knows of his reputation for having a very bad temper. "I will do my best," he says. "Weapons Officers, you may begin the bombardment as soon as you are ready. Decloak and fire at will." The ships drop their invisibility shields and begin shelling Chicago with powerful laser blasts as the screen goes blank.
**TO BE CONTINUED, END RP**
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Saturday, June 12, 1999 02:46:49 AM
IP: pool-207-205-237-147.dlls.grid.net
Aaron & Durid> Touring Dallas? Hmmmm... let me think about that one? (very long pause) Okay, I got it! My house! Come tour my house, even though I won't be in town (obviously, cause then I'd be with you guys!) I'm sure my parents wouldn't charge too much ;)
ATTENTION G99 GOERS
If anyone has thought about eating at the famous "rotating restaurant" (The Antares) in Dallas, the prices are lower than the average restaurant so try it! I recommend the Triple Chocolate Truffle Cheesecake (even though I got sick that night)!
I finally saw A Midsummer's Night Dream and I thought it was great! But it was kinda sad watching all the familiar characters and we still don't know what really happened to Puck...
SOROW
Saturday, June 12, 1999 01:43:27 AM
IP: usr12-dialup246.mix1.irving.cw.net
That was probably one of the most noble, if foolish, things I've ever scene online ... Still, it was something I find I could easily believe JackaL doing strangely enough. He wasn't running away, I'll swear to that. He was leaving because he was putting you and this chat room ahead of himself. He left because he is the consumate artist, and refused to be the cause of destroying something beautiful. He was a man who lived through conflict, and had a fascination with death that stemmed perhaps from the only source of peace he could ever see. And yet, in a world where he's been so emersed so deeply in pain, darkness, and selfishness, at a time where he'd been hurt, persecuted, and likely to be prosecuted, JackaL was still able to see pain his own emotions and selfishness were causing. He wrenched himself away from something that brought him such joy to try and give us the simplest and most precious gift of peace.
In the end, this was perhaps indeed heroic.
To my friend, if you feel you must go, my blessings go with you.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, June 11, 1999 11:15:42 PM
IP: 1cust224.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net
Last Thing to Say-
I apologize for making you people mad, that wasn't my intention, I'm sorry. However, I will not apologize for what I've said. I firmly believe I had very right to go off like I did. Don't worry, this will never happen again, from me anyway. I'll just ban myself, it's clear I do nothing but cause trouble in here, and that's not what I want to do. I want you people to enjoy yourselves and that can't be done as long as I'm here. If I don't ban myself, someone else more than likely will. I mean, really, it's bound to happen sooner or later, we all know this...
Hugs to all...., ALL.
Goodbye.
JackaL
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:59:14 PM
IP: spider-wk054.proxy.aol.com
He's dead Jim.
A moment of silence for Deforest Kelly, aka Bones.
...
Robby
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:44:56 PM
IP: spider-we022.proxy.aol.com
Darn, just when I had extra time to post... DC gets in the way hmmm... *writes down a reminder to kill him later*
cya later
"Twidle Blane and Twidle Brain? If it's all the same I'll play your game!"
Bronx Wyvern - [Bronx4me@aol.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:14:03 PM
IP: spider-tn041.proxy.aol.com
**enters the room, switches out the candles, uses flint and steel to light the new one, then sits back down in the big chair.**
Robby: Thanks. Yes, that was the right song. She sent me a line from it months ago ... it reminds me so much of her ...
**fixates sadly, whimpering, for a moment before continuing ...**
Caeru: Yes, I'm having the same problem. The CR times out on me about halfway down. And yes, yours was pretty good. Tom Cruise, eh? Coolies.
Wilek, re: Jackal and Hyena as teachers: Oh no! Look what you're making me do!! CREATIVITY SPAWN! AAAAAHHHHHH!!
**composes self**
Sorry. But this one's too twisted ... so twisted, in fact, that I might use it for a story ... picture this, if you will ... Hyena manages to smuggle herself into Rose's Connecticut private high school as a substitute teacher, in order to fulfill a contract on Rose's life. Thanks, dude!!!
Kyryn: Stars win! WOO HOOO!!
**composes self again**
Sorry ... but it's great! For the first time in five years, the Stanley Cup finals will *NOT* be a sweep! (Four consecutive years of sweeps: New Jersey, Colorado, and Detroit twice. :)
Okami would probably have absolutely *loved* my mother's '93 Escort. This miserable car ... I decided to be a good son and tune up her car for him. What I didn't count on was needing *AN HOUR* to change the #1 spark plug!! (The socket had too much suction on the plug, and my extender kept popping off when I tried to pull it out. On top of that, there was a power steering pressure hose in the way, and the plugs are so far recessed that you can't reinstall the plugs properly!!)
Of course, then again, I'm slowly starting to learn that every Big Three automaker has a particular annoyance in their engineering. Chrysler, it's shoehorning any import part they can get their grubby mitts on, even if it won't work, and forcing it to work. GM, it's that everything is incredibly heavy. And Ford ... with Ford, absolutely *nothing* can ever make sense with those people!!
Aaron: I'd be happy to take some pics, I'm bringing my new APS camera with me. :)
Ed: **bows deeply** Thank you so much!
**sigh** The room won't load completely. Oh well. That's all from me for tonight.
**returns to fixating, whimpering softly as he does**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 11, 1999 09:50:57 PM
IP: modem67.i-is.com
Testing, testing... I can't seem to load the whole CR... :-P
Blue Caeru
Friday, June 11, 1999 09:32:50 PM
IP: spider-wc022.proxy.aol.com
What about Demona as the head of BS&P (Broadcast standards and practices?)
"I am Miss Conduct, head of netherworld broadcast standards and Practices or BS&P"
"BS&P, can you say that on TV?"~Beetlejuice
Shogun raptor
Friday, June 11, 1999 09:32:00 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net
Try this, Demona as a Drill Sergeant. No one dares flunk out of basic training in her platoon.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, June 11, 1999 08:41:39 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp42.fltg.net
(Walks in, wearing an outfit that's both fire and ice-proof.)
Yeesh, training a dual-type draco isn't the only thing this get-up's useful for!
ROBBY> Grrrrrrr, that stinks (I mean about DBZ season three, not your post concerning the room!). I suppose they ditched the guy who did Vegeta too, huh?
SOROW> Sorry your trip was so bad. But hey, at least it's over!
JADEN & DEUCE> Good luck on your tests!
WILEK> Thanks for the technical info! The point of 'catching
them all'? If you get right down to it: bragging rights.
GUNJACK VALENTINE> Bye!
AARON> [Demona as a fitness instructor] LMHO!
Situation in the CR> I wasn't here when this happened. All that's been needed to say has been. No comment.
Twins raised in the future> It makes sense. I was wondering how Brooklyn and Sata were going to manage protecting two eggs for ten years of time dancing, not to mention a couple of newborn hatchlings
Star Wars personality test> I'm Obi Wan Kenobi from the original trilogy. I guess it's pretty close. Anyone get Darth Vader or Boba Fett?
***RP!***
"We're dead."
(Argent is rummaging through her backpack, and hauls out the pokeballs again. She shoves them at SJ.)
"Well we _will_ be with that attitude." (Points at each sphere.) "Golem, Pikachu, Hypno, and Alakazam, remember?"
"What's the point?" (moans the scarecrow as one of the monkeys gets too close, and Kari 'persuades' it to back off.) "Even if they stood in a line to be killed we'd die of old age first!"
"Well then, isn't it nice of them to be in a large group instead?"
(Wilek's thinking out loud.) "Wait a minute, didn't we hear someone else fighting as we were com i-"
"Enough stalling, you only delay the inevitable." (Growls Eisner)"ATTACK!"
***STAY TUNED!***
Gotta Jet! Go Tribe!
(Four months 'till the new 'Dark Ages' eps)
Argent (aka Tribe Fanatic)
stable, USA
Friday, June 11, 1999 08:24:44 PM
IP: dyn009-nas01.marietta.frognet.net
Okay people, this is getting out of hand now. I was hoping this would stop without intervention, but I don't want to see a flame war go any further than it has. Deny thats what is is, call it something else, but it is certainley a flame war from where I am sitting.
It has been brought to my attention via E-mail that the CR has gotten out of hand. Certain posts that contain people's "twisted fantasies" and such, major use of offensive language, and even when overly asteriked, it still counts. The room was originally meant to be PG only. It slowly evolved to PG-13 just due to the fact we're all mature enough to handle that, and sometimes, when a person is ticked off, foul language slips out. But, as more than one person has complained to me about this, and my own personal judgement sees things getting bad, I have realized this room is slowly slipping past the PG-13 rating and into R due to CONSISTENT use of foul language and thoughts. I was willing to let it go to PG-13, since everyone here is over 13 and generally mature. But, if this continues, some measures will be taken into place to tone things down. And I really don't want to have to ban anyone from the room.
Remember people, this is a room intended to reply to TGS stories first, and prvide a second home, a clan, on the side. I consider us all family here, but there *are* some things you can keep to yourself.
So, lets try this. No offensive language if you can help it. (Exceptions will be made on a by case and sevarity basis) Asteriking or symbols in place of foul language once or twice is okay on occassion, but when repeated, it is not tolerated. Sex is okay to talk about if vauge and not past the PG-13 rating maximum, but this room should stay PG when possible. I'm pretty leniant, so we may evolve back to PG-13 someday again.
And while generally warnings like these are addressed to the whole room in general, I am going to be specific since specific individuals are being the problem. Aris, if you had just ignored Jackal, this would probably be over by now. You should have been able to tell he was going to react wildly to anything you did. But I'm not blaming you, you were pretty calm about the matter. Jackal, this isn't the first time you've caused problems in here as you seem to have a difficult time with the concept of PG room, and your reaction to the word "okay" was entirely out of hand. Now, both of you, don't bring this up again, and consider this your first warning.
Thank you everyone else for your patience, and have a good day.
Robby the CR Co-Administrator
Friday, June 11, 1999 07:24:41 PM
IP: spider-wl064.proxy.aol.com
[SRS steps into the CR, driving a modified F-9SR "Firestarter" Battlemech. Dropping the crosshairs onto the flamers and flamees, he triggers the firing studs, and gouts of fire-retarding foam gush out from the 'Starter's former flamethrowers; hosing down the CR in a wave of cool white...]
Okay, I've been silent for a while, but in the words of Little Enis Burdette, "Daddy... this BS has got to stop!"
Let's have everyone cool their jets and settle back down, okay? Remember the topic of this room here? [Jerks a thumb up to the graphic at the top of the page] Let's drop the flames, put that subject in the round file (or File-13, if you will), and get back to the normal discussion here! I'm not taking sides here, thus I won't name names, but I will say that I'm sick and tired of the whole affair.
Drop it, move on, get on with it, get back to life in general. Got it? Good.
[Cranks back on the controls, moving the mech out of the CR] I'll park this outside, just in case...
Will talk to everyone later! Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, June 11, 1999 07:10:04 PM
IP: 207.170.232.37
Oh and just one more thing....
JackaL> Please stop being so rude, this material your posting is unessesary and just annoying. Remember the golden rule now. Be kind please. This is all I ask and all what I will say.
Bronx Wyvern - [Bronx4me@aol.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 06:37:30 PM
IP: spider-tr051.proxy.aol.com
Hey all! just a quick long over due posting- sadly it's short because I have finals to study for.
Q: How old is Goliath?
"Twidle Blane and Twidle Brain? If it's all the same I'll Play Your Game!"
Bronx Wyvern - [Bronx4me@aol.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 06:34:49 PM
IP: spider-tr051.proxy.aol.com
**Glimmer comes in under the weight of a huge stack of papers and is fallowed by a hostein wearing a clerical collar with a weezing printer strapped to its back**
Holy cow! I think I just killed the printer!
Thanks for link JEB. Unfortunantly I decided to print the whole Ask Greg archive to read on my trip. Everything was fine until page 108. I can't get it to print anymore. Maybe later.
Greg Weisman makes the rest of us look sane. I suppose those creative genius types are naturally nuts.
Deuce> Feeling any better? Good luck on your finals. <<Where ya going?>> Love I'm flying to the moon and back. If you'll be, if you'll be my baby. Got a ticket to a world where we belong.....*a disembodied hand smacks Glimmer*
Sorry. My niece has been playing that CD all morning.
Actually I'm going to a big family reunion/Gradma's 75th birthday party in East Otto, New York. Every summer my mother and brother go back to her home town. 2/3 of the time my dad goes with them. I try to go with them 1/3 of the time. I'm scared of that town. I really am. I said before that it is only a four way stop town. The whole north-east side of town is the graveyard. The north-west side has a store that is smaller that a bait shop, a tiny post office, a bar, and a couple of houses(including Grandma's). The south-west side has a church, the fire house, another rinkadink store, and a couple of houses. That's pretty much everything.
Last time I was there a teenage boy chased his little brothers into the store. He was wearing an Elmer Fudd-style flannel hunting cap in the middle of summer. He kept yelling at the younger boys," Yous(with the 's') is so stupid. You ain't got enough money to buy them water ballons." I left the store at a high rate of speed.
Three weeks of hell on earth.
Pistoff> Does the woman at the high school actually think she can control the way you dress just because you delivered a pizza to them? You're right, she is a rotten b!tch.
Aaron> Pokemon/Highlander crossover- ROTFL
Christine> You'll be putting photos and commentary about Gathering '99 up on your website when you get back, right?
I was considering kidnapping my family as we drive through Texas and forceing them to head for Dallas. Too bad that it's illegal. :)
**Glimmer goes to see if she can bribe the printer into working again**
Glimmer
Boulder City
Friday, June 11, 1999 06:34:40 PM
IP: 136.gardena-05rs.ca-las-vegas-05rs.nv.dial-access.att.net
Greg> Thanx a lot for posting that quote from jms! I feel a lot better now, and am looking forward to the next ep. As long as the premier was the only one TNT had an influence on (those jackasses...) Crusade might turn around.
Saving Private Ryan> I just saw this yesterday, and I have to comment on one part... near the end, when the German slowly eases the knife into that guy's chest... Oh, God, that was disturbing. It still disturbs me, I can't get it out of my head. But anyway, to anyone who hasn't seen it yet, it's a little weak in the plot department (their mission to 'save Private Ryan' didn't have much drive, the movie could've just as easily been about a random squad of soldiers and it would've been much the same). The thing that makes this film memorable isn't saving Private Ryan, it's the battle sequences... particularly the one that comprises the last 40 minutes of the film.
Anywho, to move on...
Pirates of Silicon Valley> Has anyone seen previews for this on TNT? Brace yourselves, they've Jerry Springerized the story of Bill Gates and Apple guy (Jobe something or other, can't remember his name). From the looks of it, Bill Gates is put into a Hitlerish role, with Jobe as the Einstien (that can't be spelled right...), and Windows is the atom bomb. Of course, in this version Hitler gets the bomb, but I couldn't help but make that comparison.
Entity
Friday, June 11, 1999 06:14:55 PM
IP: ely-oh4-117.ix.netcom.com
Glad you liked it Ed. Unless you have road runner the background looks whack cause of the typings but I thank you for your support.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, June 11, 1999 06:11:30 PM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com
<<More Columbine-related idiocy?! I thought this would be over by now!>>
Sadly no..., that's the reason I'm facing trial, because of people freaking out about stupid sh*t.
Christine- I agree with you on the thing about guys asking guys out..., kinda weird, huh? I kinda liked being asked out, makes me feel all special inside! :o)
::Switches emotions::
°°°°°Say this is from Hell, cause it's certainly flamin°°°
You smart ass motherf***er. Why did you have to say something? By motherf***er I mean, you.., the NAMABLE ONE..., F***ing Aris! You know I not gonna f***in shut up, why are you pushing my buttons? You say you can't get out of the game.., NO ONE KEEPING YOU HERE, GET THE FU** OUT! IT'S A SIMPLE AS NOT ADDRESSING ME IN ANYWAY..., THAT'S HOW YOU GET OUT OF THE "GAME". YOU KEEP COMING UP AGAINST ME AND YOU WILL LOSE. YOU ARE PICKING THE WRONG TIME TO FU** WITH ME, BUDDY!! I'M STRESSED OUT ENUF AS IT IS... DON'T THINK I WON'T FIGHT THIS THUR TO THE END!!!!
There's nothing wrong with you saying, "Okay". Point is you addressed me. Don't f***in do that! I didn't tell you- you were looking for an oppurtunity to attack me..., I was mainly talking to Kaioto, why the f*** were you reading it if you have no interest in what I say?!? You contradictory motherf***er. I am sooo goddamn sorry there's nothing in my posts you can respond to.., you know what..., F*** you. That's all I know what to say.. F*** you, you contradictory ass, whiny little motherf***er. Go ahead and say something about the puppies, GO AHEAD!! Does it f***in matter now, go ahead and say something!
You're retarded ass wasn't around when I was talking about the gargoyles.., I'm old school! I'm one of the first's. Look in the f***ing Archives!! I've argued with no one..., this is me arguing, goddamn it! This is my defintion of arguing.., do you f***ing like? You better remember it, it doesn't happen often! Should I pose for a f***ing picture?! Yes, some people have had comments about my kids, and Yes, some people have questioned my sanity..., I was in a good mood when the comments were made about my kids, so I chose not to pursue it all that much. We're not talking about them any f***ing way! Aris, just shut the f*** up.
::JackaL leaves, fearing the police have been called::
JackaL
Friday, June 11, 1999 06:04:47 PM
IP: spider-to074.proxy.aol.com
Kyryn> Part of thinking on your feet is preparing for the next encounter, at the very least Elisa should have had an extra clip for her 9mm filled w/iron bullets.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, June 11, 1999 05:58:32 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp42.fltg.net
***SPOILERS FOR ‘AFTERMATH’***
I haven’t read any of the comments since they’re so far down the bottom of the screen and I’m too tired to read that far. I’m also pretty tired to make some real comments but a few points…
1. Why was it ‘part 1’ when the ending seemed more fitting a stopping point than most other episodes, especially with the great big ‘the end’ bit slapped on as a clue.
2. Alex was cute throughout. I was glad Titania acted, and it was cool to see the Cold duo given rewards for their efforts. It’s fitting. Still, I don’t think CS can smell; remember how he was yearning for the soft scent of Desdemona’s hair in that Puck/Cold Trio episode. (Sorry, I can’t even remember *that* now… it’s been a long week). Unless I’m missing something, which is highly probable.
3. A little bit of Emrys slipped apologetically into the episode under the cover of nightfall does not nearly suffice for a full episode explaining the results of the Unseelie War upon London, leave alone the other clans! Were I feeling more talkative I’d probably go into a full-blown rant here about neglecting characters, but since I’m not just consider you guys having a finger wagged at you. ;) Seriously though, it seems obvious that as long as the two series are one, Pendragon will always be getting the short end of the stick so I can’t wait until it splits off again. We might still not get many more episodes but Arthur can be dignified with his own consistency at least, not fitting in whenever Goliath fancies snoozing for an episode.
4. The Lex/Liz stuff was fun.
OK, that’s it. Sorry if this is unwittingly regurgitating stuff previously but that’s just the way it goes. Nice work overall.
8/10
***END SPOILERS***
OK, some replies to last week, which I can get to… (the end of it at least)
Coyote: That was you as well? You were on top writing form doing that! Spectacular job! ^_^ Look forward to seeing you write more next season :)
James Birdsong: Neat site, although the background makes it a little difficult to see. Unless it’s my slow connection not loading a background… ? I’m looking through it now and it has some interesting stuff.
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Friday, June 11, 1999 05:58:16 PM
IP: p56-hawk-gui.tch.virgin.net
*** WARNING: TOPIC WON'T INTEREST THE MAJORITY ***
I don't know anymore. I'm just fed up. Murphy was right: No matter what I do I can't win, I can't propose a draw, and I can't even get out of the game.
If anyone's interested enough, these are my thoughts on the subject of Him Who Must Not Be Named. I hope that after this I'll be strong enough that I won't be pulled back into a flame war, no matter how much He Who Must Not Be Named tries to make me do so. That this will be indeed my final post on the subject.
As I said I'm fed up. Could someone please explain to me how my saying the simple word 'Okay' could result to two near-flames from the Unnameable One? I just don't get it. The last flame war occurred when I used the phrase 'goddamnit'. I suppose that the Unnameable One may be enough of a puritan to consider it an unbearable insult towards his sensibilities. But what's the harm with 'okay'?
He tells that it seems I was looking for an opportunity to attack him. Sheesh. If I was looking for such an opportunity wouldn't I have said something concerning the dead-puppies incident? About other controversial subjects? I never talked to him for a simple reason: For months he had never said something I could comment upon. He's spoken about his personal life which I don't give a damn about, about the shooting incident which I wouldn't talk about since I'm an outsider to American society, about Buffy that I can't comment upon (since I've not seen a single whole episode), about JarJar (which I don't know about since I've not seen The Phantom Menace).
I dare anyone (not the Unnameable One - I won't reply to his posts) to find me a post of His that I could reply to, a post concerning gargoyles, or mythology or some such thing. The first such post of his concerned Brooklyn's possible depiction as a homosexual. I replied to it.
Major mistake on my part. I realised that he didn't like me to talk to him ever again. I asked him concerning it, and when he confirmed it (without replying concerning where I offended him) I said ok. I thus became a bickering 10-year old.
I am just fed up. I certainly don't care about a telephone discussion. Since I can't say 'okay' I'm certain I can't say seven digits plus area codes, and certainly won't submit to a discussion with him. I don't like him, he hates me, and I'M JUST FED UP.
I don't know what's the big deal. He has argued with a lot of people. I am the only one who never said anything about his children. Who never told him to seek proffessional help. Perhaps I should have done so but when I am calm (or only mildly angry) I would never say such things - I find them truly offensive. If I had so insulted him, perhaps he would like me more.
Whatever. As I said this is hopefully the final post on the subject of the Unnameable One. He doesn't exist to me anymore. Life's too short for me to care about him. On second thought I shouldn't have even cared to write *this* but I have and I don't want it to go wasted.
I truly hope I don't exist for him either.
*** END MESSAGE ***
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, June 11, 1999 05:09:54 PM
IP: athe530-h034.otenet.gr
I just have two questions today. 1- When I finally finish the essay on Magic, how do I submit it to the Grimorium? 2-Does anybody know where/how I could get tapes of all the Gargoyles cartoons in chronological order. If this involved copies somebody's personal collection, I'd pay for it. I'd also be willing to trade for copies of my fan sub anime collection. Highlights include all of Esclaflone, all of Marmalade boy, and (I think) all of Fushigi Yuugi (which I technically shouldn't copy, since it's been released as a really bad dub).
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, June 11, 1999 04:34:55 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3
Aaron stggers into the CR, wearing his trenchcoat with no shirt. He bellyflops onto a couch, and immediatly regrets it.
I know, I know, I'm not nearly buff enough to pull off this look, but I'm avoiding shirts.
Remember two weeks ago, when I said getting a tattoo didn't hurt near as much as I'd thought? I will clarify that statement: Getting at tattoo *inked* doesn't hurt as much as I'd thought. Getting it colored in hurts rather more. Coloring bleeds. But, I did it, and I'm okay. The only good thing is it doesn't hurt near as much the second day. I'm rather pleased with the results though.
Actually, while I was having it done, I had a really bizarre creativity demon: What do you get when you combine "Gotta catch 'em all!" with "There can be only one!"? Either sword fights to the death to capture pokemon, or immortals having pokemon battles in the parking garage at Madison Square Garden.
Speaking of the pokemon, I'm told this morning's episode was the pokemon version of Yojimbo. Maybe there is more to this show then I thought. Onto replies.
I took the SW test and I'm..... Luke Skywalker? Must've been the bad haircut question.
Coyote> I would like to put up pics, but I don't have a scanner. Maybe someone at the Gathering could take some photos and scan them in. Also, I'd like for it to heal first. It'll look better then.
Durid> Extra touring in Dallas. Good idea. We should really check out Dealy Plaza while we're there.
Aaron lies back on the couch, and stares at the ceiling, humming "Waiting for the Miracle" by Leonard Cohen.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, June 11, 1999 02:22:48 PM
IP: ppp-6.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
Deuce>Good luck on your finals. Just remember this: Take deep breaths and try to remain calm and cool headed. Worked for me. :)
Mary Flanders
Friday, June 11, 1999 01:01:13 PM
IP: stk-ts4-h1-21-46.ispmodems.net
**Kyryn comes in and high-fives Coyote**
The Stars won! We aren't out of this yet!
On Elisa> I think that her strengths lie in her ability to think on her feet. I've often found some of the most interesting characters to be ordinary ones who are dropped into weird situations and have nothing but their wits and what's at hand to get out of things with.
Jackal> *g* I've seen far worse flame wars/controversial discussions on other boards. I love the image of a fork and an outlet.
Coyote> Okami once had a Subaru wagon that had 17 bolts holding the oil pan on! He said that he always had the image of some Japanese guy madly drilling holes and saying, "This is our revenge. It will drive them nuts!"
**Kyryn takes off out of the room**
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Friday, June 11, 1999 12:21:17 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
~~ A little more on the controversy ~~
I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't laugh, but I can't help but find it funny how, after thousands of years of women having to put up with getting hit on, made passes at, and enduring crude comments from guys, guys utterly wig out when another _guy_ does the same to them. Now, before anyone in here starts yelling defensively about how he personally never treated a woman like that, I'm not pointing any fingers. I just think it's funny. "Gays are okay as long as they don't hit on me" is really the same thing as "Men are okay as long as they don't hit on me," which really basically all comes down to "I don't want anyone to hit on me that I don't personally find desirable," and really, how the heck is the other person supposed to know unless they try? We don't wear signs.
One other thing -- someone, I forget who, made a reference to a gargoyle _choosing_ homosexuality. As I understand it, it's not a _choice_; nobody deliberately sets out to be one way or t'other or both or neither. Similarly, people can't really be 'turned' or 'cured.'
~~ Enough of that; I'm rambling and ranting ~~
Star Wars test > where is this? I missed it somehow.
Fork and outlet > LOL, that's great, gonna have to remember that one!!!
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 11:36:23 AM
IP: 03-117.009.popsite.net
School's out for me! But I missed most of the topics this week. Darn!
As far as Elisa> Don't counter out. The one thing the series has demonstrated is that success doesn't come out from mere force of arms. Unlike the power Rangers who constantly get a new machine every year. Elisa's held her own against a lot. And in the end it isn't the fact that you win, but that you are willing to fight for what's right, that matters.
Crusade> I enjoyed it. I'm willing to watch the next episode. That's my sop with new shows. If it's interesting enough I'll watch the next episode. That's what happened when i first saw Gargoyles, Fox was running the nextseason of X-men opposite it. I taped Xmen and watched Gargoyles. After that, first day, I taped Gargoyles and watched Xmen during the commercial breaks.
Someone mentioned Jean and Scott. You know i've noticed that in a lot of TV shows. They spend a lot of effort and episodes on the chase. the guy chases the girl, the girl chases the guy, but once they get together it's like a death sentence. i hope that I've bucked the odds in showing that marriage, or mating in Brooklyn and Sata's case, is just the beginning of a most interesting adventure.
taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, June 11, 1999 11:18:15 AM
IP: dialup-209.244.75.8.losangeles1.level3.net
Entity> You may want to read this.
From a recent Usenet Post from JMS:
quote:
Just for the record: I think the first one
-- the only one written directly at TNT's
behest -- is probably the weakest one,
certainly the one I find least interesting.
It's lumbered with buckets of
exposition, explaining things that don't
need explaining, too many fights, too
many explosions, too much
swaggering around, all stuff the net
wanted.
Then we go back to the show we
wanted to make...Path of Sorrows is
terrific, Well of Forever is a solid
character story, The Long Road is just
pure fun (that's pretty much reverse
broadcast order, btw)...there's one or
two in the bunch that are a bit slower
than I'd like, but those are the
exception rather than the rule.
Just to get my own feelings on this out
there.
jms
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:58:20 AM
IP: 166.109.44.39
Hi there! I hope you won't mind.... :) You can send virtual gargoyles postcards to a friend now at www.gargs.de/pcards ! Gargs.de is a big project that has just started and will offer a lot - in both languages english and german. Actually, only the forum and the postcard service is available... but take a look anyways!
(MadBrook, Webmaster)
MadBrook - [MadBrook@gmx.de]
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:54:42 AM
IP: 145.253.69.140
Hi there! I hope you won't mind.... :) You can send virtual gargoyles postcards to a friend now at www.gargs.de/pcards ! Gargs.de is a big project that has just started and will offer a lot - in both languages english and german. Actually, only the forum and the postcard service is available... but take a look anyways!
(MadBrook, Webmaster)
MadBrook - [MadBrook@gmx.de]
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:53:20 AM
IP: 145.253.70.40
I just took the Star Wars Personality Test. I'm more like Obi Wan Kenobi. I guess I can see that.
I wear a trenchcoat myself, and have gotten a lot of annoyances out of it. But I'm not changing the way I like to dress because of those lowlives.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:39:28 AM
IP: 166.109.44.39
Wilek> A boken (which I may have spelled wrong) is a wooden Katana. Sata probably has a spare one somewhere.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:38:50 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3
Pissoff > I know how you feel, I have to wear prescription shades myself. And not to mention I also happen to ocationally wear a trenchcoat too. I've had people at my....(I guess that since I'm now graduated, it would now be my old school) well most of them would get onto me about wearing them and thanks to those bleedin' high school shooting it got worse. Goddam bleedin' boarding schools..... oh well, atleast I dont have to worry about _that_ school anymore. (not a penny is going to go to them, now that I graduated)
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:32:20 AM
IP: 216.1.24.210
Mary Flanders> Congratulations! I only have three days of school before finals, myself.... Yikes.
Glimmer> ["One more week till I disappear off the face of the earth."] Where ya going?
** the bell rings in the background ** Oh, hell. I'll be back at lunch. ** leaves **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Friday, June 11, 1999 10:15:13 AM
IP: edtn003995.hs.telusplanet.net
The whole point is Elisa needs some sort of equelizer, given that she's a wierdness magnet, and the villians she
continueously runs into. So far she's been lucky, but that will not last. The Illuminati being the next big antagonist, that is Bluestone's place to shine given how he's been obcessed with the Illuminati. Give Bluestone his moment of glory. Now on to Elisa. Now on to Elisa, how would Elisa having magical abilities change the character of the story? The story has changed all around her, if Elisa doesn't change with the times, she'll be left in the dust. She's a fairly static character as things stand now. I'll admit the possibility of an E-frame incase some major villian comes on the scene is an interesting idea, but I prefer the other option of turning Elisa into gargoyle. This is in truth what would make Elisa very happy as she would be with Goliath, and the romance could finally go forward.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, June 11, 1999 06:51:21 AM
IP: fltg-ppp32.fltg.net
Gunjack> <<Also, a semantic question: Why is it that "heehehee" seems a surer sign of craziness than "hee hee hee"?>> Not sure...but if that's the case, then what level of insanity is "HAAAaaaaaaHAhahaaahAhAhahaahHahAhahahaHAhAhAhAhAHAHH!" indicative of? <g>
Doug> <<I just don't have him wear women's underwear and I try to keep his usefulness to the other bad guys in mind. :)>> Which reminds me...if one of the other bad guys wanted to make a clone army, would they need him, or could they just plunder his notes, steal his genetic samples, and do it themselves? I'm kinda hoping for the former, since I have plans that require his presence. <G>
David G.> Hm, interesting analysis of Elisa. Now I'm looking for an excuse to write a story with her in it. :) <<If he doesn't like the bloodshed, give the man a Boken. It'd be about the size of a tree, but who's counting.>> Um, what's a Boken?
James Birdsong> <<I filled out the new author form and sent it in but I didn't see where to send the poem I wanna write about MacBeth.>> Go to AuthAdmin and type your username and password; there are instructions from there. You'll need at least a 4.0 browser.
Alternative Occupations>
Jackal and Hyena as teachers (as if the educational system weren't already messed up)
Hm...can't think of any more...
Glimmer> <<And I still can't convince my dad that a cube is a three dimensional object.>> Hm...have you tried explaining and illustrating exactly what the three dimensions are?
Kaioto> <<I give them this stupid $9.99 to get my pictures on CD, and what do they do, they neglect to tell me it’ll take an additional 2 days before I can have then until I come in to pick them up. Then they hand me a bleeding BLANK CD!>> Now *that* kind of stupidity and arrogance takes real nerve. Nerve for which they will someday be killed in a most objectionable manner. >:)
Robby> <<BROCK: "So Ash, what happens when you catch all the Pokemon?" **long moment of silence** ASH: "I... Don't know...">> Heh...which reminds me, what *is* the point to catching them all?
Pistoff> <<when I got back, I found out that some bitch in the office had called to complain because ... brace yourself ... because I was wearing a trenchcoat and sunglasses!>> WHAT?! <grr> More Columbine-related idiocy?! I thought this would be over by now! I thought society's attention span was shorter than this! Has this become hard-wired into American thinking (by the dragon, I hope not!). WHAT THE <censored> IS GOING ON?!! I'm about to tick off a few ppl, but I'm starting to hope that some idiot in stereotypical preppie or jock attire who hates violent video games and movies goes on a similarly horrible shooting spree, just so this country will WAKE UP. <sigh>
SJ> $Just curious--what did Eisner do with TRC and DMW?$ <<As the Weird Sisters said--"Every life is precious".>> Heh...true. But a tad out of character for the Sisters, unless they were using it to mess with someone's emotions. :)
Speaking of the Sisters, an odd thought just struck me--are they three separate beings, three aspects of the same being, or one being in three bodies? <blink> OK, bedtime for the twisted little blue garg...
Wilek Nereus
Friday, June 11, 1999 05:50:36 AM
IP: tnt-2-71-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
POSSIBLE OFFENSIVE MATERIAL, AND ALL THAT CRAP
Bestiality: I'm not *that* desperate. ;)
Homosexuality: I've never had a gay guy hit on me, but I saw it happen to somebody else once. Two of them were flirting with him at a bar, for over an hour. He did his best to ignore them and concentrate on his buddies. Finally one of them dropped a $10 bill down his shirt. Then his girlfriend started a fight with him--I think she was jealous or something--and he ended up using the ten bucks to pay for a taxi ride home.
OFFENSIVE STUFF OVER
Doug: Thanks, I hope so. I've been working on this so long, I've lost all objectivity. I'm in the stage now where I'm paranoid that it'll suck. But then, I'm that way about everything I write. ;)
Vegas Gathering? Hmm ... Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. heheheheee
Durid: Yup, it's pretty frightening, isn't it? At least the Assassin website put a Hampsterblast page up; maybe they'll do the same for the Cowdance. :)
Okay, now for something truly offensive: This morning I delivered a pizza to my old high school, and when I got back, I found out that some bitch in the office had called to complain because ... brace yourself ... because I was wearing a trenchcoat and sunglasses! When told that they were prescription sunglasses, she said, "Well, we'll allow the sunglasses, then."
Grrrr! Rotten bitch!
Pistoff - [pistoff@anti-social.com]
Friday, June 11, 1999 04:23:18 AM
IP: wire-18.koalas.com
Hi everyone it's the end of the week at last!!(Queen's birthday on Monday overhear so I get three days of YESSSS!!:-)
PETER:Thanks for answering my question it was appreciated:)
Aaron:Demona's extremely high impact aerobics>>*ROTFLMAO (Literaly)*I can see it now,Inside an aerobics hall a class of middle aged fittness freaks(Full tracksuits,bottles of Gatorade,Headbands you know the type)running like they have never run before,they can't escape(Sombody locked the doors:)),Demona corner's one of them and goes into an exercise routine"one-two-three-KICK"Roudhous