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**Robby walks in humming. "I am the very model of a modern major general, I've information animal, vegetable and mineral... I know the kings of England and I quote the fights historical, from Marathon to Waterloo in order categorial..."**

AAARG! That blasted song is *STILL* in my head from when ReBoot filked it... Like 5 weeks ago! Of course, I helped Lonny filk the dang thing so that may be part of it...

The Star Wars to Star Wars special was pretty lame. It came out to basically be... "We used computers for the special effects! Computers can do anything your imagination wants! We used computers for the special effects..." Oii...

On the upside, today they aired the first episode of Pokemon! It was the best episode I've seen, because Pikachu and Ash actually had personalities!

Aaron- Thats THE way to make Jar Jar well liked! tO KILL HIM! Yah!

Wilek- That DBZ site gives an idea of how much is cut... But ya gotta figure, the first 65 Japanese episodes were squished into 53 in america...

**Robby kills Sli Sludge** There ya go Zath.

Gunjack- Demona May is the friggin' best artist I have the pleasure to know, and she's a total gargoyle freak. She's been my snail mail penpal for a couple years now, and for the last few months she's been putting together a web page... and she intends to be at the Gathering. Um, I think she has pictures on the Adult Gargs site, but I'm not sure.

Personal description- Moot point, I still don't know if I'm going to the Gathering or not. (I really won't know until the day it starts.) But if I go, I'll be easily recognizable... I'll make sure of that.

Deuce- You'll be missed!

Alex's power- Ohh, I *really* wish I could comment on this... Somedays I really dislike being on staff...

Blue Caeru- Wasn't a stupid question. I HAD been clearing the CR early... Mostly because I thought I'd be doing something else at midnight. Ah well...

Don Karnage- There *ARE* red wolves...

Dumlao- Welcome back!

Kermit the Frog- Welcome back! Stick around this time!

JEB- The international channel clearly watches their Dragonball episodes before they rate them. After all, they have to put in the subtitles. Its just Saban, and now FUNimation have been overly balistic in the censorchip and translation.

Doug- There's also a whole webring dedicated to Jim Cummings!

Sports- Go San Antonio Spurs! Go Dallas stars! Go whatever baseball team Texas has! Go whatever hockey team Texas has!

Christine- Valid gripe. Personally, I agree with you, that *IS* kinda ironic and unfair... Which is why I let the room slide into a PG-13 rating a while back... But I really don't have control of the rules, I just enforce them... I think the main reason is, once sex starts being discussed, several people get uncomfortable, and others get carried away and take the rating higher than it should be and things get out of control... But, isn't talk in detail what the adult site is for?

**RP**

Jim Iza Noying and Tina are being led by forty or so three foot talls guys in cloaks with silver daggers and one small robot in front to an airplane.
"Um, where are you taking us?" Jim asks innocently.
"To meet or diety, the great butterfly Bob! We told you that already!"
"Okay... Right. And where is this great diety?"
"You will find out soon!" And so the plane takes off...
Robby
Wednesday, June 16, 1999 12:01:56 AM
IP: spider-wl033.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP, CHOCKED FULL OF TORTURE AND DISMEMBERMENT, JUST FOR YOU (sadly, no sex...yet)!!!****
SJ stared down at his fallen friend, Wilek. Compassion filled his face, than anger. "That's it!!" he shouted. "I came here to find the location of my father; then it became a quest to save the land of Oz. But now my friends are being hurt--or even killed! I have to stop Eisner. This insanity has to end!"
SJ stood up, and seeing that Miriam was protectively standing by to fend off any attackers willing to finish off the injured gargoyle, he moved back into the thick of the battle. "Here's where the real butt-kicking begins." He whipped out two Pokeballs from behind his back. "I had hoped not to have to use these two guys, but...it's now or never. Pokeballs, go!" From the devices sprang an Onix, a huge snake-like beast made entirely of incredibly hard rock; and a Kabutops, an ancient and rare Pokemon that looked like a giant, man-sized praying mantis, only with scythe-like blades on each long, stalky arm. "Onix, Kabutops, GO!!"
Eagerly, the two Pokemon joined the battle. Onix wrapped its coils around several members of the Wicked Tribe, squeezing them in an impenetrable death grip. The bones of the monkeys began to break with a sickening snap. Kabutops had moved on to the vampire masses. It's deadly scimitar blades moved swiftly, severing a limb here, or ripping into a torse there; no vampire in its path went by without getting a chunk of it's flesh sliced off with a surgeon's precision.
Still, the battle raged on. The spectre of Walt Disney moved toward Eisner, only to be intercepted by the sorcerer summoned by the head Kindred. With a muttering of magic words, the sorcerer sent a magic bolt crashing into Walt. The ghost actually cried out in pain; obviously, this sorcerer's magic was powerful enough to pierce the veil of death.
Scarecrow ran breathless up to SJ, dodging a Ghoul being flung across the room by Argent (and of course, her draco Jewel*D!). "LOOK!" he shouted, pointing to Eisner on his throne. Standing in the shadows behind the throne, guarded by two deadly looking demons, was a girl...a girl wearing a simple farm dress, her hair in pig tails, her shoes clad in ruby slippers.
"It's her! It's Dorothy!"
"Yeah, AND??"
"If I can get to her--if she and I can join hands--I can use her power to stop Eisner!"
SJ looked grimly at Dorothy, and assessed the situation. To get her, they'd have to fight their way to Eisner's throne, than somehow get past him to get to her....not an easy feat. Still...SJ looked at the unconscious Wilek, at the bound TRC and DMW, at the rest of his friends who this moment were fighting for their lives...
"Let's go get her," he said firmly. But suddenly his world dissolved into darkness as a Shifter demon appeared before him....
***END VERY, VERY LONG RP!!!****

GREAT news everybody! I just heard that there WON'T be another "I Know What You Did Last Summer" movie!!! Yeah!!!
Sorry, but frankly, Hollywood has taken the whole teen-horror movie genre and just run it into the ground, through the ground, into the earth's core, and out the other side of the earth. Plus, I never thought any of the teen horror flicks other than Scream (with the possible exception of Scream 2) were any good to begin with, especially IKWYDLS (which should have kept it's original title, "Come See Jennifer Love Hewitt's Breasts").

Demona's Diagnosis: Glad everyone in here liked it. It isn't a professionally done diagnosis, mind you, but a basic one that lists her major problems. I wasn't nearly as detailed as I could have been. If I ever do decide to write the thing up, it could easily take a page or two, maybe more.
Oh, and interesting bit about the Paranoid Personality Disorder...in addition to being unjustly suspicous of others, the disorder is marked by the afflicted having a guiltless or blameless view of themselves...in other words, they do not see their own mistakes or faults, they blame them on others who "are out to get them". Does this fit Demona, or what? ;)

Deuce: Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce the lost Backstreet Boy, teen heartthrob Simon "Deuce" Crowley!!!
Oh, I'm gonna get it for that one! ;)

Sevarius' Age Thingy: Of course it was a disguise! The whole thing was an act, as we saw at the end of the episode. My dad merely changed his appearance so that Talon and the other mutants wouldn't recognize him, or trace him back to Xanatos. Plus, can you imagine what it would be like to inadvertently run into Talon looking the same? Sheesh, not pretty...

Don Karnage: I have to go along with most folks here in that I thought he was a fox. I mean, if you wanted us to know he was really a wolf, you could have drawn him a little differently...the reddish-brown fur didn't help much either.
I never was a big Tailspin fan. I loved DuckTales, Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck...heck, I even used to watch Gummi Bears every now and again...but I never could get into Tailspin. Maybe it was Sally Struthers....never liked her after she did those commercials with all the starving Ethiopian children, or wherever they were from, when she clearly weighed about 300+....

Lucas: I used to like him...until this movie began. Then I heard about the demands he made of the theaters....of the neverending hype machine that he has fueled since day one...to those damn Taco Bell/ Pizza Hut/ KFC commercials. I mean, yeah, the dog is cute and the chick is hot, but this is commercialism at its worst! Just make an entertaining film, George. And while I liked the new Star Wars flick...it wasn't entertaining enough!!!

My Appearance: Well, I'm about 6 feet tall, and I weigh...um...I'm a lightweight. For the NFL. ;) I guess I don't weigh that much, but like Tim and Coyote, I could be one mean muther on the football field, and that sort of gives me some pride. I mean, I'm a big guy, but I was blessed with my grandfather's physique. My grandfather, who was known to be able to pick up the front/back ends of cars WITHOUT a jack. Broad shoulders...but a bit of a gut.
I also have dark brown hair, green eyes, wear glasses or contacts (as the situation calls for), and have a slightly tanned complexion (I've been mistaken for everything from part Hispanic to part Persian--I'm none of those, just a bit Native American).
AND....this is the truly odd part....I was looking through some old Gathering pics from last year....don't laugh....I look a tad bit like our own illustrious Mr. Doug Elder. Not a whole lot, but, well, you know. Maybe I'm his clone, I don't know. :P
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:24:07 PM
IP: 207-172-41-157.s157.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Christine> re your gripe, I think this is because the RP's follow events you see in video games. You don't generally see any kind of sex happening in video games. None that I am familiar with anyway. ;)

Jenniren
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:16:44 PM
IP: user-2ivf6uc.dialup.mindspring.com

Bruce Willis > actually, he was in 'Armageddon' with Keith David ...

Fanfic Progress > to my surprise, I may have one done before the Gathering after all. 19 pages over the past two nights at work -- gawd, I love Harbor House!!! -- so it's within shouting distance of the end, but I still haven't been able to come up with a title.

Appearance > 5'9, what the fashion industry diplomatically refers to as 'plus size,' glasses, dark blond or light brown hair depending on your preference; will be travelling with a mustached dark-haired guy most likely always wearing a tie, and a pre-kindergarten bundle of energy; all of us pasty-pale because we live in Seattle.

~~ Bit of a gripe ahead ~~
Is it just me, or does it seem both ironic and unfair that we're not supposed to discuss sex except in the most clinical or vague of terms, but several posts a day include gruesome acts of torture and dismemberment? Violence is okay, sex is 'verboten' ... I get really sick of that.
~~ End gripe ~~

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:09:41 PM
IP: 06-084.009.popsite.net

Airwalker> ok, whatever. I'm having a really crummy day, and I don't feel up to a response right now. Some of my ideas are based on a 10 pages and change version of the magic essay I posted last week, and since you haven't read it, I can't make myself clear at the moment. Some time after G99 it may be up on the Grimorium, and I'll try again.

The short form is:
Alex> we just disagree. I think he's destined to be a surprise to everybody. If it makes you feel better, an equally good rationale is that Titania felt his pull, but couldn't identify it. Then she followed the pull to the source, asking "who summoned me?" as in "who called" rather than "who had the power to pull me here."

Magic and Life Force> Faerie magic can't create life-force. Mortal and/or Dragon magic (which I think are related, but more on that later...) might be able to. If so, Demona's spell may have provided the life-force Titania needed.

About the captain and Haycon, They didn't have bodies, so they may have wanted Goliath's life to manifest physically. On the other hand, about 20 different people are involved in writing this thing, and they don't all agree as to how things work.

Meryt> whatever the reason (and the Dragon/Fey magic incompatibility is a good one), Apep was a cruel entity. He probaby had a pretty good idea what would happen. Meryt as a metal automation is easier to manipulate than as a living gargoyle. He could always hold out the promise of a true body as a hook. That she hasn't given in is a mark of her character.

Wait for my magic article and some of what I said earlier may make more sense. You still probably won't agree with it, but it will make more sense.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:58:32 PM
IP: pppb34-resalefortworth2-2r1005.saturn.bbn.com

Gee this is the most popular link I've ever posted.

The Star Wars test is at:
http://www.careerpath.com/ows-bin/editorial.cgi/special/s5quiz.htm?style=cp

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:36:43 PM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

Thanks to all who answered my questions .

Alex's Power level - I do'nt see he has to be ultra powerful for a quaterling to summon Titania . Demona did it to Puck , I know that that's a bad example , despite the fact that she used a fey artifact and a heap lot of magic .
But I do'nt see why it's so big a deal since the only way Titania's power level could mean anything in this situation is if Titania fought him , given how quickly it happened I doubt that she would have had the chance .

Anyone know why the iron chains Demona used on the Puck did'nt burn him ?

Airwalker : I ca'nt say much about the Isis situation beyond what's been said already , but about the no-interference law . Oberon's a hypocrite and Titania has him wrapped around her little finger .

Coyote : Gee , what toy set have you seen ? I know most of the Spawn related toys are kinda sick , but alot of the other sets are wicked . Like the classical monsters with Frankenstein , and the Werewolf set , that one was just awesome . The Savage Dargon torn trench coat one was also really good .
The reason why I suggested it was for the level of detail that the figures Macfarlane has put out was far superior to alot of the old Gargoyle ones that I saw .
The Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:22:16 PM
IP: 208.244.41.209

Good evening all

arming the Clan> I would not like to see them with weapons all the time. But if their in a battle or war ok.

This is a comment about the episode Vows. When Demona went back in time to 975 A.D. to take her younger self into 994 A.D. to show her what well become of her Clan. Anyway when young Demona went back into 975 she knew what well happen to her Clan. Probably every time she saw Goliath and the rest of her Clan mates she new what was going to happen. But she did not know the exect year this was going to occur. So probably thats way in 994 Demona tired to conince Goliath to take the Clan and the eggs away and to leave the castle. Also when Demona told her younger self that the humans did this she wanted the vikings to sack the castle. So probably from 975 to 994 it was a sad time for her because she knew what well happen to the Clan.
Lawrence Stone - [Craft_Celtic@yahoo.com]
Chillicothe, Ohio, U.S.A.
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:14:32 PM
IP: chil-ras5-2-cs-24.dial.bright.net

It's been really interesting reading the comment room this week. I'm going to comment on one thing and leave you all to speculate on everything else. :)

Why was last week's story called Aftermath 1 and this one Aftermath 2? And why was there a "To be continued" footer last week?

Answer: Aftermath occured the two nights following the battle in Manhattan. While the ramifications of the Unseelie War will be felt for some time yet, the focus for these two weeks was "home base".

Happy reading!
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:09:42 PM
IP: client24156.atl.mediaone.net

DAVID G - You wrote: "If the souls were already alive, and only needed receptive vessels as anchors, then she could do the soul transferance."

The problem is that I don't believe that the spirits, basically the ghosts of Coldstone and Coldfire had lifeforce of their own to be able to say that Titania just created two lifeless husks which there soul's ultimately brought to life. Don't forget that in SHADOWS OF THE PAST Hakon and The Captain were also ghosts and that to be alive themselves, they needed Goliath's lifeforce. This means that ghosts don't have lifeforce. So Titania basically created two bodies, completely alive with lifeforce of their own, but soulless. She filled those two living bodies with the spirits of the Cold duo.

As for Meyrt, you wrote: "What I meant was that she was so close to death that even if there had been a body to transfer her to, she wasn't strong enough to make the switch. The Dragon (Apep?) could bolster her life-force, so he could do it. That he chose a golem as the vessel was probably cruelty on his part."

But Coldstone was already dead when his spirit was originally placed in the Coldstone shell. And Coldstone and Coldfire were as close to death in AFTERMATH 1 as Meyrt was in THE SUN AND THE SERPENT 4 but Titania was still able to move their soul's to new bodies. So I find it hard to believe that if Isis had the power to move Meyrt's soul to a new body that she wouldn't do it.

As for Apep, he was trying to keep his part in the deal but his magic didn't interact well with the magic spell that Ra placed on her when he named her. The result of those two magics was that her soul was moved into a metal body. Apep didn't actually do it out of any cruelty. It's just that Dragon and Fey magic don't seem to mix well and gave us that tragic result.

ON ALEX'S POWER - I've read Fantastic Four and while I can see Alex on the same power level as Franklin, it still doesn't mean much against a full blooded Fey. Alex could be all powerful when compared against a normal human being but his power is still always only going to be 1/4 that of any full blooded Fey. The best analogy is if Alex is on the same level as Franklin then Titania is on the same level as the Ashema the Celestial from Heroes Return.

Franklin is almost godlike in power level against any human or mutant but against a Celestial, he's still going to be weak. (There is a difference also. Franklin could be considered a baby Celestial and thus he could one day reach the power level of a Celestial. Alex will never reach Titania's level of power. He can't even reach Merlin's level of power because Merlin still will always have more Fey blood in him.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 09:54:00 PM
IP: 111.new-york-28-29rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

I just read Aftermath 2. Titania power> No big whoop. Coldstone was created not only of the three souls of the gargoyles but also body parts, thus the lifeforce was kinda there. (shudders) Course you must realize Othello and Desdemona have Ioga body energy in them if my theory is true. Ick what a sorry thought.
James Birdsong
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 09:42:46 PM
IP: dt045nd6.san.rr.com

DOUG - I agree with you on the sports issue; I never liked it either when a program that I'd been looking forward to was delayed or pre-empted by a baseball/football/hockey game that would not end. It doesn't exactly give one the most enthusiasm for sports thereby.

(Of course, my home town of St. Louis tends to go overboard on sports in some ways. For a long while, it didn't have a football team and was constantly frantically trying to get one. Then it finally got the Los Angeles Rams, and the next day, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran in huge capital headlines "FINALLY FOOTBALL" - and immediately got lots of letters from indignant readers complaining about the way that it interpreted St. Louis finally getting a football team as an event deserving of the sort of headlines usually reserved for - say, the first man on the moon or the end of World War II. Then, more recently, there was the Mark McGwire overhype - the Post-Dispatch here would talk about almost nothing but McGwire, newspapers were even stolen off people's doorsteps when they covered his breaking the home run record, and then to top it all off, they renamed the Mark Twain Expressway after McGwire. I didn't feel particularly impressed).
Todd Jensen - [St. Louis]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 09:27:37 PM
IP: 208.19.239.157

Deuce: Thanks for that link. I have'nt laughed so hard in months.

Star Wars personality: I'm a Boba Fett. A solitary gunslinger who stays to himself. Hmm... I was planning on joining the Marines. Spooky.

Appearence: I'm a stocky, yet strongly built 18 year-old man. I have sandy-blonde hair and blue eyes. I weigh about 275+ pounds (I ain't gonna admit to any more. Besides, it's largely muscle,except around the gut) and 6'2". Earlier this year, I had my picture taken in my football uniform, the photographer said I look like a Marine Drill Instructer. Naturally, my mother was distressed at this.
Tim Phipps
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 09:16:15 PM
IP: s4-onawa.pionet.net

GO DALLAS STARS!!!!!!!!!
GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO!

Hey, we've been hockey crazy ever since my son started playing (Rookie of the Year,no less, thankyouverymuch!!) In the event that the Stars win tonight, all you people coming into Dallas for the Gathering might find yourselves in the middle of a Stars celebration.

*crosses fingers and goes back to the game*
Spike
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 09:09:42 PM
IP: pppt07-45.ght.iadfw.net

GARGOYLES: There is a difference between Cartoon and Animated Show. Cartoons, as I said, are animated productions with unrealistic-looking characters. GARGOYLES certainly doesn't fall under that category. Yeesh!

THE GARGOYLES SAGA: AFTERMATH, PART II: First of all, whether, or not this Episode is the conclusion to this multiparter is in doubt, thanks to the mess-up last time. Clarification from the Staff, please, unless itd be a Spoiler?
Nikki's activities had me cracking up.
As for Owen/Puck, well, you people just barely got away with this. I'll say this for the Manhattan Clan and their acquaintances, they're survivors. Still, they can't always get so lucky. Sooner or later someone's probably going to perish.
As for collateral damage and casualties as discussed by others, which I only skimmed, I'm putting imput in, even though I may not have gotten the full conversation. The beginning objectives of the battle didn't hold much for widespread collateral damage. England, London, I'm not so sure of in terms of vehicles and the like. Of course, sweeping your opponents apart, and pursuing them opens up capture well. Which happened. Lucius Adrians probably got away.

Elisa-What I was pointing out, Kitania, was that her relationship with Goliath is peripheral to her real character. Maybe not to parts of the series, but definately not to her. Its certainly not core, though, like too many people seem to think.

XENOGEARS: The names are Kahran Ramsus and Emeralda, to the person who spelled them wrong.
Kitania-Talk to Queen Zephyr to find out what happened to Kahr. Besides Kahran Ramsus, there are some other hidden scenes, but I'll leave you to find them. Presuming you already haven't.
Also, Hammer didn't really betray anyone, he just didn't think he had any choice.
Doug-I read the reply you gave to Sevarius Junior, I believe it was, on your life, so I pretty much figured out Kitania was a close friend of yours, if not a girlfriend.
With that aspect out of the way, I wasn't asking for a paper, I was asking for an opinion. Oh, well, it seems I got one anyway.
FINAL FANTASY IV had an okay Ending. The other Endings are complete, in their own manners, so there's nothing to protest there. While I'm on that Series, a side comment to the person who mentioned the seventh Game. It wasn't a disappointment, but it was no masterpiece like FINAL FANTASY TACTICS. That's my favorite Game in that Series.
Back to Doug.
So you've played the BREATH OF FIRE Series. Check out Mieu Sedai's Breath of Fire Fanfiction Page for a ton of Fanfictions. Mine's there, as is my second-favorite Story currently, REBORN AGAIN. My first favorite Story is obviously XENOGEARS. I have no address, so you'll have to use a Websearch. Or try http://www.ecstasy.simplenet.com and work from there.
Again, all Endings for each of the Games are complete.

Final Comment For Now-I do not see Matthew Bluestone as the type of having a girlfriend that is everything to him. Yiy! We need some serious character reexamination. He would have plenty other aspects of life with no one ruling. Friends and family first, of course, but I don't see anyone as being everything.

"Is this child the angel who can give us more time?"-Elly
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 09:02:17 PM
IP: 59.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

**RP HERE**

The screen comes on, to reveal the Big Bird still under attack by TIE fighters. Doug, Jammer, and Shap shoot down several and Big Jake uses a chicken maneuver to make two more crash into each other and explode, but these are quickly replaced. "Darn it!" Kitainia yells. "We're never going to get to Ruth at this rate. If only...hey, that's an idea!" She immediately grabs the radio and contacts Agent Rho. "Rho? It's Kit. We found Ruth, but now we're under attack by some of the TIEs flying over Chicago. Can you get those Super Star Destroyers to spare us a little air cover, please?" "Sure," Rho says. He calls the Planner and soon it fires off a storm of turbolaser blasts that take out all the TIEs attacking the Big Bird. Jake breathes a sigh of relief and continues his descent towards Aurora. As he watches the skies from his turret in case of more fighters, Doug makes a CR post.

**END RP 1ST BIT**

Hi. Time for my first post of this week. :) So far the week is going alright. My new job at Domino's is going well. Have met a few idiots (today one guy walked in and asked me if the place was Pizza Hut. When I told him no, he left), but haven't yet had any real problems. The manager is a nice guy, and so are the other employees. Except for a couple of our delivery drivers, who are a little strange. One of them reminds me of Kramer (from Seinfeld), the other of Vinny. Hope they don't do anything really weird during the summer. <fingers crossed>

Fanfic Progress: "Innocence" is coming along nicely. I'm currently in the middle of the story, right before the scene where Kenny is being introduced to Brooklyn, Sata, and the twins to be exact. Getting closer to the swordfight, and the end. Hope the fic turns out well. :)

Nascar: I don't watch it myself. Never been that interested in sports. Especially when my favorite shows get postponed or cut because of them (that makes me mad).

**BEGIN SPOILERS/COMMENTS ON AFTERMATH 2**

I enjoyed this episode a lot, despite the fact that we still missed out on seeing many results of the Unseelie War I wanted to at least catch a glimpse of (Richard's mourning of his brother, what happened in Caledonia, London, and Prague; what the bad guys are up to, etc). The plot was nice, and all the good characters were developed well. I especially liked seeing Othello and Desdemona's interaction with the rest of the clan, the scenes with Goliath and Elisa, Emrys's interaction with Fox and Alex, and Xanatos's trying to deal with his life without Owen. That last thread made for some great scenes and lines (my favorite was "Fire that guy. Ambition is good in small doses, but he's after my job!"). The Nicole St. John subplot was interesting and entertaining, if a little cliched. She and her producer (whose name is familiar) were both developed well. I'm among those who are glad Owen's back, and liked seeing his ressurection (though I do wonder how he'll explain his death). I think he made Alex restore him in a cool way, because it not only brought Owen back but helped Alex develop his speech at the same time. Good duality of purpose. The pic of Alex was also very well-drawn. This was a good fic altogether, I give it a 7/10. Everything else has already been said.

**END AFTERMATH 2 SPOILERS/COMMENTS**

Arming the Clan: I think I agree with the majority of people in here that this should not be done. A fight is generally more interesting and exciting if the bad guys think they can win with the big guns and all but the good guys are still able to beat them by relying on the weapons they have. The gargs who need weapons already have them, pretty much. The rest are good fighters without weapons, so it isn't much of a problem. I think some kind of body armor would be a good idea for the gargoyles, though, and plan to give it to them in my fics.

Ari and Emrys: That could be interesting to see. I doubt it will happen, though. Ari strikes me as more the type to fall in love with her own species. Wonder who her mate will turn out to be.

Aaron: There's a site devoted to Don Carnage? Cool, I'll be interested to see it. :) And IMO, he was always a fox. But he could have been a red or maned wolf too. <shrugs> I don't know.

Unseelie War Casualties: Stephen, Airwalker, and other people have already both made good points about this issue. I think I'll just be happy with the way things turned out and if I think anything should have been done differently, I'll do it with the Unseelie..er, Apocalypse War in my ficverse.

The Gathering: I too hope we can come, thanks to all who are praying for us. Look forward to seeing you there. :)

To absent friends. <returns toast>

SJ: Good analysis of Demona. Man, she's even more messed up than I thought she was. <grin>

TRC: Welcome back! Hope you don't have any more DC woes soon.

Titania's Power: Now that Airwalker's mentioned it, I too am a little surprised that she was able to "give life" to Coldfire and Coldstone. But good arguments have been made for how she was able to do it, hope we soon find out her plans for them, if she has any. :) As for Alex's power, I too was a little surprised he was powerful enough to summon Titania, but maybe his relationship with her helped strengthed the call, as well as her motivation to respond. so the summoning worked for me, but I really hope he doesn't start tossing around a lot of powerful spells. I've never seen Alex as a really powerful sorcerer in child form (his sister from my fanfics, yes, but not him!). Instead I like to think of him as a wizard-in-training, who has lots of potential but is still learning the ropes as far as spellcasting goes. Until Alex gets older, I think his magical power level should continually reflect this.

DumlaoX: Glad to see you back, and that you had fun at the prom. Good luck on your remaining exams. $ As for your RP character, we haven't done much with him since you've been gone. He's been upgrading our equipment (laser-sharpening Stephanie's sword, giving the Road Moccasin the same kind of perpetual motion engine as you gave the Onslaught, and so on), but not really doing anything else. Kit and I haven't done anything onscreen with T-Loco that I can recall, probably because we don't know her character that well. Anytime you want to jump back in and pick up your characters again, please feel free.

Durid: We know about that Queen Zephyr and Ramsus bit in Xenogears, we're wondering what happened after it. (Did he ever redeem himself or not?) It sometimes annoys me when you play a great videogame all the way through and then because of the short ending leaving stuff out, you have to make up part of the aftermath (I hated seeing this in FF7, FF3, the BOF games, Parasite Eve, and a few other games. With Xenogears, it was so-so. The endings for some RPGs (such as FF2, Metal Gear Solid, a couple others) were complete and cool, but those games' numbers have been on the decline lately and it upsets me. A great game should have a great ending worthy of it, IMHO.

I too wonder about the Kaiser and Rico. That's a major unresolved thread Xenogears left behind. They also never tell you what Hammer tells Elly during the escape from Nortune (or really do much with how he was motivated to betray the party and join Krelian, that was a confusing disappointment). I agree with your least favorite moment, though I am glad that in the parts she is involved in Elly does great things. Your favorite moments of Emeralda growing up (and turning out so dang cute!) and the Elements going Power Rangers are also neat.

Oh, and btw, Durid, his name is not Gramere. It's Graeme.

That's all for tonight. Later!

**BACK TO RP**

The Big Bird lands in a backyard in Chicago's Aurora suburb. A certain pair of long-haired twentysomethings (yes, before anyone asks, it is Wayne and Garth!) stand on the backporch with their jaws wide open. "Aliens are invading the Earth!" Garth shouts as he and Wayne watch Jake and the Ravens get out of the plane. "And some of them are serious babes!" Wayne adds. The two immediately give Kitainia and the rest of the female Ravens their special salute. "SCHWING!!!" "Hi, guys," Doug says to them. "Loved your movies. Can you watch our plane while we go find our friend?" Wayne and Garth salute. "Sure, alien leader dude!" "Your jet should be safe," Doug tells Jake. "Come on, let's go find Ruth." "I have Kit's bike on remote locator," Gubio says. "She's two blocks away." "Good luck!" Wayne and Garth call to the Ravens as they run off.

**RP ENDS FOR NOW**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 08:07:49 PM
IP: pool-209-138-62-17.dlls.grid.net

Just stopped by real quick to point out somthin. Coldstone was orignilly brought back to life by human magic. Well, Demona's magic, but it wasn't fay magic, it was human magic. In the recent story Titanya regenerated them with fae magic. Maybe it has something to do with a mixing of magics that allowed it?

"Rainbows are visions... Are only illusions... Some day we'll find it. The rainbow conection... The lovers, the dreamers, and me!"

Kermit the Frog
Kermit the Frog
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 07:38:21 PM
IP: spider-we062.proxy.aol.com

Druid> Hardsuit is another word for exosuit, exoskeleton, or powerarmor. I can't remember where it comes from at the moment. I just kind of like the sound of it.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 07:38:13 PM
IP: pppa37-resalefortworth2-2r1005.saturn.bbn.com

Aaron & SOROW> Great, some more people I'll meet in person.

*scans over last few days*

Star Wars Personality test? Where is that, I missed it.

Arming the Garg debate> Heheh, I was the one who (before I became TGS) suggested that Gramere raid the Eyrie toolshop for some iron ball berings. I can see both sides of the argument, winning battles realistically with better guns. But it's hard to write for chacters with lots of weapons without focusing on the weapons too much, and loseing the chacters in the armory :). Just wearing extra armor alone can affect a change in chacter. People wearing armor feel a little invinciable, and are actualy willing to take more damage than they normal. If you were wearing a flak vest, would you be willing to step in front of a bullet and get some broken ribs?
No one who learns to actually use a weapon is unaffected in some way. Just learning how to use a numchuck can get one to strut around and show off his skill some. And anyone who doesn't know how to use a weapons shouldn't be carrying one in the first place, anyone rember the Xena episode where Gabrielle tried to get Xena to teach her how to use a sword?
***minor fanfiction spoilers***
-oh well. I am addmintly doing something of this 'arms race' in my Soul Reaver series, hope I'm pulling it off without safricing the chacters. Sharon and her Bioelectricty, enhansed senses, strength, and wings is one thing, the first episode I did with her was basically her trouble dealing with that. But Fugit.... well, the main drive behind his chacter (for the time being anyway) is that he was given great powers out of the blue, and now he is wondering what the <censored> to do with them, if anything at all. In the mean time, trying to date Demona passes the time :).
***end spoilers***

***a moment of silece for Bones McCoy (sp?). He will be missed.***

David G.> I'm sorry, whatare hardsuits?

Aaron> Gundam? And here I thought I was fairly familiar with arms and armor.

Describeing myself> Hmmmm. Well, if you want the unflattering one - the 6' 200 pound white male with a slight beer gut, a few pimples on his face, glasses, straight blond hair, and hint of whiskers (can't find new blades for my shaver, and don't want to take the time with a razor). Probably wearing blue jeans and a T-shirt. Hmmmmm, think you'll recnogize me? Maybe I should get that costume made, or at elast a T-shirt with Demona airbrushed on it.....

Robby> Yeah, technically Gargoyles is a cartoon, but only technically. Get offended at it when people call it a cartoon and set them straight! It's a great conversation topic and it spreads the word that Gargoyles is very diffrent from Animaniacs, or even Batman and Superman! Sure, the ignorant think your weird and perhaps immature, but.....

Xenogears favorite moments: Hard tosay, I just liked the enitre thing, how one event lead to another, and puzzinling out the diffrent things. Any single scene about it though... I would have to say the part when Esmeralada 'grows up', :) 10 second puberty, gotta love it! Oh, and when I first saw the Elements combine into one gear, I couldn't stop laughing! Oh, and Does anyone know how you get the Kraiser to find out that Rico is his son!?!?!? Or another secret, this is the one area under the lighthouse (where Big Joe has his store) that I can see behind this fenced off area, if I jump (from Joe's store, take a left and go through the gate). It also looks like the small door there has a passage behind it, is there any way to open that door and get into that area?
Least favorite moment: Once agian, hard to say. Probably the fact the Elly is barly involved in the last half of the story!
Kitainia: You can find out what happenes to Ramesus (sp?) and the elements. In the Snowfield hideout, find the snow-covered area, go to the oppsite end of where the kid and the Chu-Chu are slideing (where a fat guy says "Oh Quinnie, blah blah blah). There is a slight ramp on the unfuctional leviating stone that you can walk up. It will lead outside to where Queen Zephyr (sp?) is. Talk to her, may need Citian in your party.

Sevarius Jr.> Heheh, I alawys said I wouldn't be surprised if Demona was used as a hyoptical case study in Psychology 101!! Contact your psychology teacher and see what he thinks! I bet it ouwld be interesting.

The Rolling Calf> Why did Servarios looks 80 when frist shwon, thenmcuh younger after his faked death?> Did anyone ever Ask Greg this? *shrug* Perhaps he tweaked his own DNA afterwards. Maybe he just used make-up to enhanse his acting, he is an overactor afterall.

Hmmm, quick note about Titania cloneing - remember, as Anastia she learned about science and became a scientist. If any Fey could clone, she could. And you don't need liveing cells to clone, though it helps.

Exin: Visited your site. Something is wrong with the links to your pics.

Mary Flanders> Heheh, I can relate. Hope you do someday find someone who makes you happy.

Aris and Jakel> Can't really say anything that hasn't already been said. Except: Aris, you wre a stablaizing force in this CR, something we need in this aslyum. Jackel, though I found many of your post immature and offensive, they were interesting (with the possible exception of your last **** filled one). I hope both of you come back.

Sorry, no RP, trying to channel all my creatavity into DA stories...

Last post until this weekend, Blessed Be!
Durid the Druid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 06:15:29 PM
IP: dialupc93.mpls.uswest.net

WB, DX! Hope to see more of ya around here again. :)
JEB
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 05:18:14 PM
IP: 98afc30e.ipt.aol.com

Robby> Seems to me that the people at the International Channel didn't even bother to watch any episodes of the series before giving it a rating... probably assumed it was the same as the Americanized DBZ series. In all honesty, though, I think I like our version better.
(BTW, I've never heard of that network- is it satellite or cable?)
And, how do you pronounce HFIL? :)

Austin Powers> I actually thought the first movie was a hoot. :) This second one, though... ugh. I got maybe three laughs out of it. Tops. Did not like.

Doug & Kitainia> Here's hoping you get to G99. :)

SJ> Very interesting psychoanalysis of Demona, and one that seems to match her character almost to a tee- seems like it ought to get posted somewhere...

TRC> TaleSpin is still showing on the Disney Channel, too, if I'm not mistaken. And your job ideas are... interesting. :)

Jaden> <<most people being Obi-Wan. Maybe it means that we are all going to disappear when we die. Or like Obi-Wan, there is more to us than people might think.>> I hope it's the latter. <:)

Blue Caeru> NP. :) Maybe we'll see you at G2000, eh? (Assuming I can get there, anyways...)
Also, interesting link. :) I'll have to explore that one
more...

Gunjack, Argent> Actually, the Top Ten lists are still there, they're just not obvious... it's somewhere on this page- http://fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org/other/topten.html- now. Enjoy. :)

Gunjack> Eh, no harm done, I've done way worse than just mixing up posts before...

Deuce> :( You'll be missed. Hope you can come back soon...

Exin> Promising site, but none of the links in your Picture Gallery are working.

And now, for something completely different:
Christopher Reeve, go!

Christopher Reeve was in "Superman III" with Richard Pryor who was in "See No Evil, Hear No Evil" with Gene Wilder, who was in "Young Frankenstein" which was directed by Mel Brooks, who also directed "Dracula: Dead and Loving It" which had Clive Revill who did the voice of Kickback in "Transformers: The Movie," which also starred Frank Welker who did Bronx and other voices in Gargoyles.

(Okay, I admit I used the IMDB on that one. ;)
JEB - [JEb215@aol.com]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 05:17:32 PM
IP: 98afc30e.ipt.aol.com

Airwalker> If you remember in "I'll Met by Moonlight", Titania, and the sisters were not there when the bell was used.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 05:16:12 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp30.fltg.net

I'm not dead, just... in stasis :P

OK, seriously, I wasn't here for quite some time. About 2.5 or 3 weeks in fact. Why? Many reasons I suppose. For one, I did go to that prom with Alison a few weeks back. Still haven't gotten the pics yet but I should once Alison comes back from Russia. Also, I was studying for finals like mad. In fact, I have one more final in about an hour & a half so once this post is up, I'm hitting the books one last time. And, honestly, I just needed away from the room for a while. Wanted to regroup myself, think clear, and start fresh again. So, here I am. Now to touch on a few things I missed.

AUSTIN POWERS: THE SPY WHO SHAGGED ME-- Saw it opening day. I got a free Launch CD and a poster for the film too (always check the movie websites before you go to a movie. You have no idea what you can score there.) I might be in the quiet majority here in the room but I loved the film. Immensly. Better than the first one, in fact. The first one had to grow on me before I liked it. This one I just loved right out and I do plan on seeing this again, along with Star Wars. Sure, the jokes were crude and there was one immensly gross scene, but for a movie to handle such humor it did it well (as opposed to some other films, namely Very Bad Things, that try to deal in the gross humor but fall flat). Forego the story, characterization, etc. Realize that this is a movie made of one-liners and 40% improvisation. A very funny one at that.

PIRATES OF SILICON VALLEY-- Actually, I have a tape of this film. I was able to score a copy of the film at a used video and CD shop here in LA. An Emmy copy to boot. Trust me, this film is wonderful and actually does not portray Gates as Hitler and Jobs with the bomb called the Mac. In fact, Gates is portrayed as a poker loving nerd unlucky with women and Jobs as an ex-hippie with a love child that had a killer instinct for business. But look at your computer history. Yes, Gates stole the GUI design from Jobs but Jobs took it from Xerox. Xerox desined the mouse and GUI interface we all use now, but the executives were short-sighted on what they had. Had they known what kind of weapon they had, we all might be using Xerox computers instead of Macs and Winclones.

FLAME WARS-- Again we get another flame war and 2 people leaving. Why doesn't anyone remember the rules established here when I was running the place? Better yet, why doesn't anyone learn to just get along?

TARZAN-- Reminder, if you see it this opening weekend, save your stub and hit the Disney Store for a free Tarzan poster.

RP-- Say, guys, what went on with my character in the RP so far? And what about T-Loco? Wondering so I can join the RP again sometime soon.

RP WEBSITE-- Oh, give me time after the finals. I'll continue work on it then.

WEBSITE-- Planning on having one of my own shortly. So if anyone has any DexDrive saves for the PSX or N64, send them my way. Something NOT on the DexDrive site please. Thanx.

SUMMER PLANS-- What do I plan on doing? Website work, playing these games I never finished, finding time to spend with Alison, kicking it with my people, playing these ROMs I always seem to collect but never play, finding a job in a hospital, and whatever else comes to mind :)

QUAKE 2-- Anyone know of a good server where I can hone my Deathmatch skills? Or of a place where I can find servers running deathmatches? Just got the game (finally) and I need to play. Thanx.

Till next time... A test awaits.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 04:39:28 PM
IP: clsb-mac-19.clicc.ucla.edu

Exin--couldn't access any of your pics--:(
Hey there Aaron!!

jenna
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 04:30:59 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Deuce: No problem....how were you to know the WWII Overlord was lurking? j/k I've made guesses at memories that were less than accurate too, don't worry about it!

Karnage/SOP: I will, in my personal mind, always consider Karnage a fox. But for writing TaleSpin Fanfics with the rest of the High Flight crew, in our goal to continue the series, we call him a wolf. Precident's set.

As in Gargoyles...in Cyrway & my ficverse, Goliath dies in the Clone Wars. Elisa gets mutated, brainwashed, and then killed. If they did that in TGS, I'd be bothered...same with garogyles carrying guns...because of the radical change from the precident. Same with doing something like Dylan Blacquiere's Newf-goyles. Not that these ideas aren't good or valid--they are--but they belong in alternate ficverses, not in continuations of the series, faithful-to-the-precident series. IMHO.
Stormy
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 04:25:58 PM
IP: clifford-191.wcl.on.ca

Airwalker> OK, you did better research than I did. (Probably cause you weren't trying to do it at work - while you were supposed to be doing something else - but I don't know for sure). My earlier post wasn't meant to be a definitive answer in any case, I was just raising possibilities in order to provoke a discussion (which I seem to have done).

I'm on break now, so I'll try to be a bit more logical. There are three main things to clear up.
Cold duo regeneration- I guess the reason this didn't bother me as much as it did some people is that I'm willing to assume a lot more. I think Demona's original ressurection spell had more effect than just bringing back their spirits. Somehow those spirits were able to be anchored to something that should never hold them (first Coldstone's body, then the robots). Also, those spirits have moved around a lot, which also might have an effect.

The bodies Titania created may not have been 'alive', but neither was the decoy body Owen and Alex created, and neither were the robot gargoyle bodies of Coldsteel and Coldfire. However, if the souls were already alive, and only needed receptive vessels as anchors, then she could do the soul transferance.

Meryt's soul being damaged takes a bit of explaining as well. I really didn't state that well. What I meant was that she was so close to death that even if there had been a body to transfer her to, she wasn't strong enough to make the switch. The Dragon (Apep?) could bolster her life-force, so he could do it. That he chose a golem as the vessel was probably cruelty on his part.

Alex's power- I stand by my statment on this one. I think the fact Alex could summon Titania was SUPPOSED to run counter to our expectations. If you're a Fantastic Four fan, think about Franklyn Richards, who at 8 is potentially the most powerful mutant on earth, and maybe powerful enough to shake the universe. He's not supposed to be powerful enough to summon a full blood Faerie from Avalon, he does it anyway.

Titania's nature- You left out the last half of my quote. I don't have any real evidence, it's just a hunch. It's not even a hunch that I'm very sure of. However, if Titania is a dragon, that's no reason Oberon and Madoc wouldn't be enamored of her. Humans and Gargoyles were traditional enemies, but Goliath has Elisa, and Demona had both Macbeth and Nostradamus (sp?) as friends. Montagues and Capulets are traditional enemies as well, but that didn't stop Romeo and Julliet. Slayers and Vampires are diametrical enemies... Need I continue.

If Titania is not a Fey, even if she's also not a dragon, it does explain a couple of things. One, why Oberon never uses his magic on her (of course, unless Oberon really likes sleeping alone, he can't be too heavy handed with Titania), and two, it gives the TGS staff an easy out for that whole Cold Duo thing. Like I said, though, there's nothing concrete to back it up.

Thanks for your reply. I've been giving this rebirth thing a lot of thought ever since I realized I hadn't accounted for it in my magic essay - you know, the one I thought I'd finished on Monday. That was before I remembered Dragons and the Dreamtime. <sigh>
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 04:15:16 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

George Lucas: Geez, he really does sound like a megalomaniac! BTW, if anyone's interested, go to www.theforce.net for a link to an article discussing Lucas's "anti-democracy messages" and other things in his SW movies... it's really a sorta nifty article written by a guy with some fairly impressive credentials.

Oops, kept forgetting to mention this in last few posts...
Robby> Thanks for the info. I knew that the CR usually cleared around midnight, but I wasn't sure anymore at the time because for the last few weeks, the CR had been cleared earlier than I had expected. Sorry for asking such a stupid question. :-P
Blue Caeru - [<--article about GL's "messages" in SW]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 04:10:02 PM
IP: spider-th071.proxy.aol.com

DAVID G - You wrote: "Maybe the lesser fey can't, but Oberon and Titania are stronger. Maybe the Egyptian Fey were just
lying, or wrong."

It's true that Oberon and Titania might be stronger than the average Fey but even they are bound by the same natural laws that govern all Fey.

"She can't" Isfet said as she came to. "Her kind can't give life, just as mine can't take it."

Her kind. Not just Egyptian Fey but all Fey. That means that no matter how powerful Titania is, she still can't give life.

I wouldn't say that the Egyptian Fey were lying. Meryt was a faithful servent of Isis. Isis did care about her fate as is shown by her thoughts when she was joined together with Uraeus. If she could have created a new body for her and moved her soul to it, she would have done it. But she didn't. All she could do was stand to the side and watch as Brooklyn begged for help and then Harthoth made a deal with Apep.

You wrote: " I think the idea here is that little Alex is supposed to be frighteningly powerful."

By human standards, I can imagine Alex as frighteningly powerful. But against Titania? No matter what his best is, he's always going to be 1/4 Fey. Merlin is a Halfling and even with his full power returning to his through an act of his own will, he still couldn't stand up against the full power of Madoc. Alex has less power than Merlin and Titania is about in the same range as Oberon and Madoc. So how could he have been able to summon her?

You wrote: "Titania may not have 'given life' just transfered existant lifeforce to created, otherwise dead, bodies. Meryt's problem is that her soul, as well as her body was damaged."

But weren't Coldstone and Coldfire just soul's bound to mechanical bodies? So what lifeforce could they have? They are basically ghosts. Hakon needed his ax to be able to remain on the earth plane in VENDETTAS. They needed their unliving bodies to remain on the earth plane. By creating new bodies for them and placing their soul's in them, she must have given some sort of life to those bodies because Coldstone and Coldfire just wouldn't have the energy for it. They are ghosts, nothing more.

As for Meyrt, she was mortally wounded. Her soul wasn't damaged. She just happened to have been under a spell of Ra that didn't mix well with Apep's dragon magic. But Isis and Ra both had Fey blood so her magic might not have caused such a reaction. If Isis could have worked her magic on Meyrt, she would have. She couldn't because the Fey can't give life.

You wrote: "I don't think Titania is one of the Fey. My only reason for this is that in Ill Met by Moonlight, she was not affected by the iron bell that half killed Oberon."

When the Bell was ringing on Avalon in ILL MET BY MOONLIGHT, Titania and the Weird Sisters weren't effected by it because they weren't in the area at the time. She vanished after Oberon left to hunt Goliath, Angela, and Gabriel. She reappeared after Oberon was defeated by the bell and the Princess named her terms to Oberon.

Also as far as we have been shown, Fey and Dragon's are enemies. I doubt that Oberon would fall in love with a Dragon or that Madoc would spend 10,000 years dreaming about taking a dragon as his Queen.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 03:25:40 PM
IP: 110.new-york-01-02rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

BAMF!

Okay, I'm back. Now to finish my replies.

Wilek> Actually, agents make lousy hostages, because it's policy not to negotate for their release.
As for your buried standing up idea, there was a british guy who proposed that back in the 1880s. He was generally ridiculed as a mad man.
And I only meant AP:SWSM grossed more money on it's opening weekend then SW:TPM did that same weekend, so don't go after Austin.

Mary Flanders> I *liked* your rant on weddings. I feel the same way. Not that I'm planning on it, but if I ever did get married, I'd go to Vegas, and find somewhere where Elvis performs the ceremony, and I can shoot up the place afterward.

Stormy> Don Karnage is a wolf? Not to dis the creator's input, but if DK was a wolf, why did he have reddish fur and a big poofy tail?

Entity> Actually, I'm rooting for Austin Powers to make more money then Phantom Menace so Lucas will realize that he can't just slap out anything and expect to make money off it. I hope he wakes up and makes a worthy prequel next time.

Gunjack> I've seen that list (I think) in the top ten lists on the fanfic page. I just don't know the author.

Today's example of Lucas' meglomania: I was talking with the owner of the little collectables shop where I buy movie posters, and he told me that he had no Phantom Menace movie posters because when Lucas released the Special Editions, he wanted $35 a poster from the distributers up front. They didn't pay, and when Lucas sold the posters in Europe, the distributers sent people who got the posters for about fifteen bucks each and sent the back to the US.

So Lucas, having been burned on that one, decided not to give the distributers any posters when Phantom Menace came out. And he's supposed to be charging the theatres a thousand dollars if their poster doesn't come back at the end of TPM's run. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 03:23:37 PM
IP: ppp-6.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Mary> :-)

And... click my name... I just realized that the first poem I wrote specifically for this collection WASN'T INCLUDED! (My mind is going... I can feel it....)

Yeah, so click it, and see y'all on Thursday, for the last time.
Deuce - [<=== Click it. NOW.]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 03:10:23 PM
IP: edtn003995.hs.telusplanet.net

Deuce> Ah shucks! *kicks the dirt*
Mary Flanders
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 02:28:06 PM
IP: stk-ts3-h2-20-102.ispmodems.net

hey! Visit my site for Demona piccies! :): ...

Exin^Almost Cult...
Exin - [exin@gmx.de]
Leipzig!
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 02:10:20 PM
IP: 193.97.193.243

Ah, hell... how do I say this?

Mary> *long pause* Despite what the weirdo next to me wants me to say (that'd be Crash31), I'm afraid I am spoken for. :-] Thanks for the compliments, though... I am flattered.

** walks out, blushing and hitting Crash REALLY hard. "No, you may NOT!" **
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 01:13:47 PM
IP: edtn003995.hs.telusplanet.net

Deuce>Awww...what cute pics!!! Dude, are you seeing anyone? If not, I've got first dibs on you! ;) *blushes*
Mary You-know-who ;P
Davis, California, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:47:09 PM
IP: stk-ts3-h2-20-102.ispmodems.net

Very short post-

To all the artists- I'm soo sorry, I just went back to read Aftermath part2 again and, there was a picture! I guess I totally missed it yesterday when I read the story and I wanted to apologize for yesterdays post when I said that there were no pictures. BTW: It was a great pic w/ Alex and his Fuzzy 11/10 stars for the pic. Once again I'm very sorry. No hard feelings ok?

Pheonix (a very sorry one)
Sylvia - [Sylsy@msn.com]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:43:17 PM
IP: 1cust119.tnt7.colorado-springs.co.da.uu.net

Oops. I mean Kaioto. :P
Mary
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:37:58 PM
IP: stk-ts3-h2-20-102.ispmodems.net

Kioto>Don't worry about it. If I come in here really mad or crying, then be concerned. Sometimes though I just like to act really weird. :) The good news though is that my sister will be going off to college in the fall so I'll have less stress. :)
Mary Flanders
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:35:27 PM
IP: stk-ts3-h2-20-102.ispmodems.net

Aaron kicks open the door of the CR, wearing his trenchcoat and sunglasses. He spots DC, pulls an 20mm Vulcan cannon from under his coat, and turns DC into a bloody smear.

Hey, if people wanna believe the worst about anyone who dresses like this, why should I disappoint them? Besides, it's raining here. Lotta replies to do, so here goes..

Robby> I always thought Talespin was set in that quasi-20s-30s time that all Agatha Christie novels are set. As opposed to the Batman:TAS time where it looks like the 30s, but they have better then modern technology.

Todd> Your memory must be better then mine. All I really remember about the D&D cartoon was that Venjor had one horn, and that the unicorn was why they couldn't go home.

Kitainia> Well duh. As a gargs fan you should know that day shift is always less weird and stressful then night shift. And Waterworld was probably on that walk of shame.

SJ> Demona: Paranoid, with a side of PTSD. But we love her anyway, don't we?

SOROW> <Demona, Goliath, Elisa, and Angela in the same room with some sense of calm> Who says it'll be calm?

Okay, bosses are back, gotta go. More replies later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:13:42 PM
IP: ppp-82.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

**enters the room, trudging in slowly. Switches out the candles, then flops down in the big chair. After a moment of rubbing his temples, looks up and starts speaking.**

Sorry if I'm bringing you folks down. I'm in a bad spell right now ...

Kitainia: Here's hoping you guys *do* make it.

TRC re: MacFarlane Gargs toys: No. No. Nonononononononononono. I definitely would not want to see MacFarlane Toys do Garg toys, basically because of their past efforts. The only ones that I really liked that MacFarlane has done were the X Files figures (I gave my mother Scully and Mulder for Christmas this last year). The other figures they have put forth have been up there on the grossness level ... most of the Spawn toys, for instance. I would be *frightened* to think of what MacFarlane would do to our guys.
Oh, yeah ... thanks for the new Six Degrees. I'll put it on the page soon, I promise.

Jaden: << Have you ever thought about something so bad that it made you depressed? >> Every day of my life ... **fixates briefly on the candle's flame, sighs, then continues**

Wilek: Genuflect, verb: to show respect by bowing, usually in the presence of authority figures, royalty, and deities.

The jacket: Don't worry about me, guys. If I get too hot I'll be taking it off ... besides that, it isn't *that* thick of a jacket (it's fairly thin). I've been planning on taking it with me on the trip for a while.

**sigh** Probably more later tonight when the room fills a bit more ... **sadly fixates on the candle**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:00:50 PM
IP: modem9.i-is.com

Nicodemus> I basically agree that the Cold Duo got off too easily, but I have a few counterpoints.
1- The fey can't give life> Maybe the lesser fey can't, but Oberon and Titania are stronger. Maybe the Egyptian Fey were just lying, or wrong.

2- Alex summoning Titania> I think the idea here is that little Alex is supposed to be frighteningly powerful.

3- Titania's power> There are a couple of points here. First, Titania may not have 'given life' just transfered existant lifeforce to created, otherwise dead, bodies. Meryt's problem is that her soul, as well as her body was damaged. Second, and this is way out there, I don't think Titania is one of the Fey. My only reason for this is that in Ill met by moonlight, she was not affected by the iron bell that half killed Oberon. Mostly it's not even that, it's just an intuition. What if Titania were a Dragon in Fey form...
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:45:08 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Just thought I'd pop in for a moment before heading off for work today. I wanted to talk about a subject that's been going around the comment room for a while: namely, the ColdDuo's resurrection at the hands of Titania.

I'm not going to start up the debate again about whether the idea of the resurrection was good or bad (though I'm more on Airwalker's and Aris' side on this matter; the thing was poor drama and a little too 'easy'). I was more interested in voicing some thoughts I had on this matter in line with some of the stuff Airwalker's just been mentioning.

Airwalker's pointed out some troubling 'incongruities' in how Titania achieved the ColdDuo resurrection:

1) In this case, Titania is _directly_ using her magic on mortals. For one thing, that's against Oberon's Non-Intervention Edict, and I imagine that even Titania would have problems explaining this one to him. For another, the whole episode seems to not be her style. Titania, even when she was helping someone, always seemed to want to take a circuitous route, staying behind the scenes while her magic worked its course. The ColdDuo resurrection was too blunt and direct a use of magic for it to fit with Titania's character.

2) Titania's actions here also contradict what Isfet was saying in "The Sun and the Serpent - Part 4" about how fay can't give life. The body parts in Coldstone were not simply dead, but 'petrified'. Therefore, Titania had to bring said body parts back to life before she could even think about cloning the cells in them.

3) The transference of Coldstone and Coldfire's souls to their new bodies contradicts the stuff we saw in "Possession", where soul transference had to be _voluntary_. And yet the ColdDuo, being comatose, couldn't possibly have been capable of giving their consent to the transference (even though they probably would have been falling all over themselves for it). So it should have been a lot more difficult for Titania to transfer the souls to their new bodies.

There's also the question mentioned by someone else earlier about how could it be possible for Alexander to draw Titania to him from Avalon, especially when he's only one-quarter fay (a 'quarterling'), while she's one of the most powerful full-blooded fay on Earth? It just doesn't make sense.

It all makes me come to one of two conclusions:

1) The TGS staff _really_ needs to keep track of the physical laws already made and the ones they make for the TGS Universe (i.e., they seriously dropped the ball on this one); or,

2) The person who resurrected the ColdDuo wasn't Titania at all; merely someone else disguised as her. Remember, she was only at the castle for a little while; the mystery person would only need to look and sound like Titania, not act too much like her. If this is true, it would seem that someone else has already begun spinning webs of intrigue around the Manhattan Clan...
Nicodemus
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:07:22 AM
IP: smfcache-1.jps.net

Mary> ["That's your school picture??? Wow."] *blushes* Click my name for better, more recent pictures with my improved hair.

Gathering talk: Bwah!!!!! I can't go! :-( Oh, well, y'all are going to scan me billions of pics, right? *sigh*

SJ> Amazing psychoanalysis, there. Wonder if any of the writers knew about the details of that, 'cause otherwise it is one HELL of a coincidence.

Wilek> ["Dude, you are SICK!"] Thanks. :-D

Anyway... looks like this'll be my last post for quite a while. Last day of school, and although I'm supposed to be happy and rejoicing, I'm kinda depressed. 20 minutes a week at the library doesn't cut it, and I don't know how often my parents are going to be going out. *sigh* Anyway, I'll check in on Thursday, and then I'm gone for an extended period of time. I'll come every so often to say hi, if I can.... If you really want to talk, email me: I'll be checking that more often than the room (easier to do, ya know).

*long, agonized sigh* Bye.

** with a long look backwards, Deuce leaves. **
Deuce - [<=== Pictures of me... click it! Click it good!]
"The one, the only, the immortal...."
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:13:29 AM
IP: edtn003995.hs.telusplanet.net

ROLLING CALF - You wrote: "Maybe they were referring to the soul more than the flesh when they were speaking of "life". So maybe she wasn't giving life, just manipulating the life she had to work with and building on it."

That does make sense but it still leaves one question. If Titania could so easily manipulate the soul's of Coldstone and Coldfire (drawing them out of their bodies and creating new bodies for them) then why didn't Isis do the same thing for Meyrt? Isis and Titania are both Fey. Isis had more reason to want to save Meyrt. But instead of drawing out Meyrt's soul and then creating a completely new body from a piece of Meyrt, all she did was stand around quietly like an idiot and stare at what was going on while Brooklyn and then Harthoth were forced to cut a deal with Apep.

Titania is powerful but we shouldn't forget what Puck said in POSSESSION: "Soul transferences are tricky and require voluntary participation." Where was the tricky part? She removed their souls, created new bodies, and put the soul's there. It was too easy. Puck had to go through a lot of trouble to get everyone in individual bodies in POSSESSION. Here Titania waves her hand and everything is made better.

If there is a rule that Fey can't give life and that Dragons can't take life, then there can be loopholes. But how can what happened with Coldstone and Coldfire be considered a loophole? She actually created living bodies out of dead organic stone-like material.

Besides, I always saw Oberon's non-intervention law as a way to make everything more interesting AND to remove the temptation for someone to want to just have a Fey come in, wave his or her hands, and make everything all better. Not only did Titania give life (which contradicts what Isfet said in THE SUN AND THE SERPENT 4) but she also broke Oberon's non-intervention law. She can't interfer in the lives of mortals, not directly, even if Alex is standing there looking at her with puppy dog eyes. What she did with Elisa and Demona is indirect work. But with Coldstone and Coldfire, she was working her magic directly. Let's not forget, she's not Oberon. She can't just go and say "My decree's are MINE to interpret!" She has to work around the law as much as the Weird Sister's have to.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 09:33:52 AM
IP: 166.new-york-26-27rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Another "Six Degrees of Gargoyles" Moment:
Mel Gibson - Go!
He voiced John Smith in Disney's "Pocahontas," which also starred Judy Kuhn as Pocahontas's singing voice, and she was in the original Broadway cast of the musical "Les Miserables" with Terrence Mann (he played Inspector Javert), who voiced Oberon in "Gargoyles."

End of a Pointless Post
Blue Caeru
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 07:56:27 AM
IP: spider-wd011.proxy.aol.com

Ten days more to go people. GATHERING 99. Dallas or Bust.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 07:21:57 AM
IP: proxy-543.public.rwc.webtv.net

*****DC Death******
Dis Connect fumbles with his door key, his shaking hands complicating the task. Finally, he manages to get the door open, and, casting a worried glance around him, quickly bolts into his apartment. The reassureing *thunk* of the deadbolt resores his sense of security,
and he manages a wicked grin as he begins planning his next strike.
“Let’s see, who’s next on my target list? Hmmm..... Wilek is up again, but the damage has been done...” He shudders briefly as he remembers the repercusions of THAT job. “Same
goes for Fluer... and Valentine shouldn’t recover for... Uh, oh!"

On the screen, a single word flashes next to Valentine’s name. Connected.

With speed borne of desperation, he grabs his emergancy pack and sprints for the door. He hasn’t yet gotten a visit from the Gunjack, but if the other CR members are anything to judge by... Better not to chance it. Gotta go gotta go gotta...

He almost makes it. With a muted *shakashakashaka*, a burst of silenced autofire rips through the door and stitches a ragged line across DC’s chest. Pain lances through his
body as he sinks to the floor, and he recognizes the specific ragged agony of a gut hit.
Several, actually.

A second burst rips out the deadbolt, and Gunjack Marius Valentine strides into the room with a H&K MP-5 SD3 dangling from one hand. He quickly takes in the squalid
conditions, then turns his attention to the wounded hacker at his feet.

“Well Mr. Connect,
I can’t think of anything to say to you that you haven’t heard a million times already, so let’s just get down to business.”

Valentine grabs DC by his collar, and drags him onto the couch. From out of his pocket come two syringes, each loaded with murky liquid. He holds them up for DC to see, and continues. “You’ve screwed my connection to heck and gone for the last three days, thereby cutting me off from one of my two sources of entertainment. That is unforgivable.
Now this needle here,” -He waves one of the two in front of the hacker’s eyes, and inserts it into his arm- “This one contains a nervous accelerator. Basicly, it amplifies any sensation by a few orders of magnitude.” Instantly, the ragged pain in his chest blossoms into a hellish blast of unimaginable suffering. Gunjack smiles coldly. “Feels good, aye? Well, just wait. THIS needle contains a drug that will slow your perception of time to one eigth normal, so you’ll have about-”a quick glance at his watch, “-two hours of subjective time to enjoy this little foretaste of the pit. Enjoy!”

DC is now curled into a ball, his voice cracking as he screams in agony. Valentine slips a gag over his mouth, and walks over to the computer. Removing a cable from another
pocket, he plugs one end into his neural interface and the other into a port on the modem. His eyes flicker rapidy, and in an instant he is transported to the CR.
*********END DC DEATH***********

Okay, just a few quick responces here cause I need to get to bed.

Coyote> <<look for the guy built like an ox suffering from heat prostration wearing a Michigan State Band jacket>> Zath is right, buddy. Wearing a jacket down here is asking
for a case of heat-stroke. I avoid going outside AT ALL in the afternoon, because the sun is murder, and heavy clothing is right out. Seriously, people, stick to light stuff and save yourself a trip to the emergancy room.

Wilek><<Thank the powers that be for fanfic. >:)>> Well said. <<Heh...my ficverse's plans *require* the deaths of *most* of the major characters. Just a few charged plasma
shots to the Eyrie's major structural supports will take care of the whole matter...>> So does mine, although I prefer a more personal touch than long range energy blasts... Still, differant squids for differant kids. Oh, and sorry for getting you and JEB confused. The text color was the same, and the comment seemed to fit you pretty well...

The Rolling Calf><<Hudson - Gangstrer rapper . Can you imagine him holding up his hand palm in , hiding his thumb and going "WESTSIDE!!">> Heh. <g> Now, if only one
of our more artisticly-inclined clan members could come up with lyrics to go along with this image... Hey! This would be perfect for the filking at the Gathering!!!

Sorow><<Thank you for noticing! Brooklyn's got the smallest nose in the free world!>> Who holds the "smallest nose" record in the enslaved world?

SJ - Nice job on the psychoanalysis. Of course, I know about as much about psychology as I do about nuclear physics, but it still sounded pretty good. :)

Kitania><<Unseelie War: I agree that the series may need a rating change, and that it should have made the Unseelie War a little more of a deadly conflict. But TGS is still
good the way it is, so I'm not going to be mad at the writers. Hope they keep doing a great job, even with the limits they've placed on themselves.>> I suppose that’s a good enough anwser for me...*Whew!* guess I won’t have to right that rant after all... Still, it would be nice to see an increase in harsh realism...<<Doug and I will probably arrive on my Kawasaki motorbike (the Road Moccasin)>> *Valentine switches into Homer
Simpson mode* Mmmm... Motorcycles...<g> I’m still trying to convince my parents to let me get one of those...

Robby><<Unfortunatley, I don't have a Playstation. I got a Saturn back when it was the better system for RPG's and had some great Sonic games coming... Of course, all the good
Sonic games and RPG's got cancelled, and latter Final Fantasy 7 would hit Playstation releasing a flood of others... Ah well.>> Want mine? I bought it for FF7, and was a little disappointed. I still say the best FF game is #2... Also, who is Demona May, and does she
have any other pics on the net?

Duece - Yet another proof of the advantages of homeschool: no idiots to screw you up. Of course that means that I have noone but myself to blame for spending the last three schoolyears reading fics instead of studying... :P

Argent><<[Top 10 List of Things Screamed at the TV] Can we have the link for that list?>> Sadly, that particular post (and a thousand others like it), was a resident of
www.castle.net, whose ruins form the foundation of gargoyles-fans.org. Castle.net had a large archive of story ideas, top-ten lists, songs, and other cool stuff, but nothing other than the fanfic archive appears to have survived to the present day.

Also, I hear that we’re supposed to describe ourselves. Well, here goes...
I’m 5’ 9”, 205 pounds, w/ brown hair and blue eyes. I’ll probably be dressed in suit pants and shirt, sunglasses, and carrying an attache case or a bulging black notebook...

*Valentine glances at his watch and pales*

So much for a quick post!!! Well, I’ve got five hours until I’ve got to get up and find outwhether I’ll make the Gathering or not. Craptical. C yall...
Gunjack Valentine
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 04:15:17 AM
IP: spider-wl022.proxy.aol.com

A lot to catch up on once again, and I'm tired, so apologies in advance if I miss anybody or get confused ...

Weapons for the clan: They do need to upgrade, at least a little. I remember shaking my head at the TV show when they would take a savage beating through the whole episode and then pull a rabbit out of the hat at the last minute and save the world. Gargoyles are supposed to be superior fighters, but they're almost always outclassed by their opponents. They end up fighting cyborgs and mutants and scumbags like the Unseelie, who can rip them to pieces or just fry 'em with a burst of energy. It's a miracle that any of them have survived this long. When your enemy cheats while you play by the rules, you don't have a chance in hell. A series that's supposedly as realistic as possible (within certain guidelines, of course) should address this point. You know the saying about fighting fire with fire, after all ....

For instance, Elisa should get her hands on an EMP generator so she can just zap Jackal and Hyena before they each can grab one of her ankles and say, "Make a wish ..."

Elisa turning into a gargoyle: Bad idea. The whole interspecies-relationship thing is what makes this couple interesting. Sure, they'd probably be happier if both were gargs (or both human, whatever), but if that happened, they'd be just another happy couple. Their romance has a lot more complications as it is right now, and that's what creates good drama.

Doug: You got a job at Domino's, eh? Well, if you're a cashier, you should be pretty safe. You'll get a few idiots and whackos coming in there, but nowhere near as many as you'd encounter if you delivered. Which is a good thing, because otherwise you'd end up with the same impulse control disorder that I have. :) **Draws a gun and kills DC ... just for the hell of it.**

Coyote: (re: NASCAR races) The only reason I'd watch this is to see the crashes. As George Carlin once said, "Where else can you see a twenty-three car pile-up and not be *IN* the son of a bitch?" :)

Pistoff - [pistoff@anti-social.com]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 02:58:14 AM
IP: wire-28.koalas.com

Would someone please kill Sil Sludge for me (the more slow and painful the death, the better), because I just don't have the energy to do it myself right now. I would have posted a large portion of this last night, but I suddenly took ill with what seems to be a case of food poisoning (my mom and I both ate the same thing and we both got sick within about the same amount of time of eating it). I started feeling really nauseous about halfway through reading the new episode and was projectile vomiting mere minutes after finishing the story. I'm feeling a little better now, but still not wonderful. : (

Aris and JackaL> Neither of you should leave. Remember, we're a clan. Are you going to disown your family just because you don't get along with your brother? I think you two should just shake talons, agree to disagree, and then roost on opposite sides of the castle for the next month or so.

Robby> The Talespin page was interesting, and it mentioned some things I hadn't thought about before, but unfortunately it wasn't enough to change my opinion that Kit was the most annoying character on the show.

Stephen "Coldstone"> <<I tried checking all of the yes answers and all of the no answers at once to see what results came up>> Interesting, I did the exact same thing last night. <<can we see that one? Just for chuckles and giggles?>> I'll put them both up on my web page (along with a lot of other stuff) as soon as I get a scanner, but I don't know when that will be (soon I hope).

Pistoff> Cool beverage page. I think I'd like to try the Rat Bastard Root Beer, it sounds good. For some reason (maybe it's all the times they mention the amount of food coloring) it reminds me of that episode of Rescue Rangers with the cult of soda-worshipping mice.

***** SPOILERS AND COMMENTS FOR AFTERMATH 2 *****
Is the "small town back in Southern California" an allusion to Buffy or to the Lost Boys? I liked the Nicole St. John sub-plot, personally I thought it would have been funny to see her wander into the genetics R&D section and get turned into a chihuahua mutate or something. I especially liked the funeral scene. It was very emotional. However, I have a problem with the way Owen/Puck was brought back. Why couldn't he have made the key to the spell some word he knew Alex could pronounce? Now that Owen is back, how is he going to be able to go out in public after officially being declared dead? Will he have to come up with some lame "oh that was my identical twin" type of excuse? I have visions of him dying his hair and pretending to be Preston Vogel... : ) Also, how long will it be before Emrys notices who Graeme is constantly e-mailing?
***** END SPOILERS *****

Aaron> <<Aaron creates image of Anakin choking the life out of Jar Jar via the Force. Anakin drops him, turns to the camera and says: "I've been wanting to do that since I was six." >> LOL!

Stormy> << Karnage is a WOLF.>> If he's a wolf then I'd guess that he's a maned wolf (they look like enormous shaggy foxes).

Rev. Attila> << His picture does make good toilet paper though. >> Personally, I wouldn't want that man's face anywhere near that area of my body, even if it was just a photograph. >: P

Coyote> <<look for the guy built like an ox suffering from heat prostration wearing a Michigan State Band jacket>> The Gathering is in Texas in the summer, why don't you just skip the jacket, carry it over your shoulder or something?

TRC> <<does anyone know why corpses are buried lying down instead of standing up >> I'm no expert, but I'd guess that it was either just tradition, or the fact that people seem to like their dead to look like they're just sleeping. <<what happened to the pieces that made up Iago>> I was wondering about that too.

Mary Flanders > <<parents who are too old to have a sex life (52, 54).>> Not to be disgusting or anything, but maybe that's only what they want you to think. I seem to recall stumbling across some article in the Reader's Digest giving tips to 70+ year-old couples on how they could spice up their sex lives. <<As for the part of getting shagged rotten, I'm just using that word because I saw Austin Powers and I think it's a funny word>> That makes me wonder what Europeans think when they hear an American mention "shag carpeting" : )
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 02:55:18 AM
IP: ns7-11.viptx.net

I took the SW Personality Test...

Han Solo? Me? Khool. When do I get my own juiced-up Corellian Transport?
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@geocities.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 02:54:54 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

SW Test> I came out as C-3PO. Chose not to take it again. ;)

***AUSTIN POWERS 2 SPOILERS***

I thought it was hilarious! I agree that the beginning had some faults, which I too immediately picked up on and decided I didn't like (namely, the revelation that Vanessa was a fembot and Austin's glee after she's dead). Felicity Shagwell had a humorous name, but that was about it... Also, this film was less of a spy spoof and more of a generic spoof. But that didn't detract from its enjoyability. I was laughing throughout. Yes, there was the disgustability of Fat B-word, but I was able to get through his segments with my stomach in stable condition.

Incidentally, does anyone else think it is rather pathetic that this movie has already earned a gross that is only behind Episode One's initial gros by ten million? The film that has benefited from the SW hype is Austin Powers, not Ep 1!

***END SPOILERS***
Entity
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 02:36:48 AM
IP: ely-oh4-37.ix.netcom.com

JEB and James Birdsong> Thanks for the links, guys. :-)
Blue Caeru
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 02:05:45 AM
IP: spider-wg053.proxy.aol.com

**RP!**

[The battle rages on in Eisner's throne room. Argent and TRC shout a warning to SJ and Wilek about something behind them, but it's too late, for Wilek at least--with a deft jerk, it throws the gargoyle across the room and into one shadowed wall, knocking him unconscious--and much worse, if the crack of breaking bones and the blood running from his mouth are any indication. SJ looks on in shock, then turns to the creature that did this, summoning a Pokemon to destroy it. He then makes his way across the room, killing ghouls and monsters as he goes, hoping against hope that his friend isn't dead. Meanwhile, in the absence of its earlier target, the wisp TRC summoned now goes after SJ, whispering in his ear. SJ: "Shifters? What are those?...Oh. Sounds bad. It's almost dawn? That's great; tell TRC that if Wilek survives until dawn, he'll heal and turn into a human--what? Eisner has some kind of protection against the sun? Oh <censored>..."]

**PAUSE RP AND BEGIN SERIOUSLY TWISTED DC TORMENT**

[For no apparent reason, Mr. Disconnect finds himself in a very, very dark room. But he can see just enough to realize there's someone else here. DC: "H--hello?" Wilek <evilly>: "Greetings. You've been busy." Wilek steps into the light and holds up a data pad. "Here, I have records of multiple transgressions, both single acts and long-term modifications to software. Item: You froze my computer yesterday, making me unable to save a CR post I was composing, totally erasing it. Item: You programmed, into the Nullsoft MP3 player Winamp, a flaw that necessitates a system restart after a certain number of executions of the Play command, rendering playlists and the repeat function of limited value. Item: Your prevention of CR dweller Fleur Rine from reaching the CR for an indeterminate amount of time. Item: You froze my computer while I was composing an e-mail, causing the unsaved portion of that e-mail to be lost. Item: You later *sent* that same e-mail before it was finished. For these crimes...your suffering will be legendary." Wilek gestures, and chains with hooks on the ends reach down from the darkness and hook into DC's wrists, lifting him from the floor. Wilek: "By the powers vested in me by the chaos and insanity of the Clan of the CR, I hereby condemn you to eternal death. So it is declared, so let it be done!" Wilek drives a row of spikes through DC's arms, drives a pair of knitting needles into DC's eye sockets, drives a row of nails into DC's spinal column, slices open DC's thorax, sticks an array of pins into DC's heart (after removing the sternum), weaves a webwork of steel wires into DC's intestines, and drives a large screw into DC's skull. Then, for some reason, he begins connecting all the metal bits to each other, via a network of fine steel chains. He then retrieves a live wire with a small clamp on the end. DC whines, knowing what Wilek's about to do. Wilek: "Oh, do shut up." Wilek puts down the electric wire, retrieves some more fine metal cable, and uses it to stitch DC's mouth shut, then connects that cable to the rest of the metal array, then retrieves the live wire and proceeds to connect it to the screw in DC's skull. Electricity courses through all the torture implements--not enough to kill him, but enough to put him through unimaginable agony. Wilek: "In case you haven't realized it, I plan to leave you that way for all eternity. Have fun."]

**END DEATH**

Stephen Sobotka> <<That is why TGS follows a strict guideline for all of its stories to meet a Y-7 rating. This means no gratuious violence, gore, carnage, or scenes of graphic death.>> Thank the powers that be for fanfic. >:)

Aaron> <<Jar Jar Binks is Anakin Skywalker's first victem when he turns to the Dark Side!>> That...is so...brilliant! Oh *man*, I hope they do that! <<AP:SPSM beats SW:TPM at the box office.>> Wait a minute, what?! AP:SPSM as in the new Austin Powers movie?! There's something amiss here...Powers must die. <revs up a chainsaw> That's right, Austin, I'm comin' for ya! <heeehehehehheheee>

Deuce> <<** Deuce claps his hands, and two muscular guys come in. They are clad in high heels, leather miniskirts, halter tops... you get the picture. They're also carrying whips and some rather pointy objects. They drag DC off into an adjacent room, and we hear whimpers, shrieks, and giggles... then silence. **>> [Wilek just stares in stunned silence for a few moments, then has a fit of helpless convulsive laughter.] And I thought I was messed up! Dude, you are SICK! <<Star Wars Personality Test: I shorted it out.>> After a DC death like that, you have the nerve to be surprised?! :P Oh, and that Star Trek/MST thing...ack. Just, *ack*.

Stormy> <<personally I prefer thinking of him as a fox, but what can you do?>> If what the author/producer/whatever says is in conflict with what is actually shown, then the latter takes precedence. So you can go right on thinking of him as a fox, if that's what you want. TV shows exist primarily to get us to use our minds and, sometimes, to draw our own conclusions about what we see. As fic writers, we can do just about anything we want with the canon material, even going so far as to flagrantly violate the canon timeline of events if we bother to stick an 'alternate universe' label on it. Besides, you ever see a reddish wolf with a white tail-tip? Neither have I.

Batya> <<story plans precluded the deaths of any major characters.>> Heh...my ficverse's plans *require* the deaths of *most* of the major characters. Just a few charged plasma shots to the Eyrie's major structural supports will take care of the whole matter...

Rev. Atilla> $<<He then genuflects at the site of the Virgin Mary>> Er...genuflects?$ <<I have an assault rifle autographed by Charlton Heston. I usually shoot at GB with it, when he won't get me caviar :)>> Kewl. How do you do that without opposable thumbs? :)

Argent> <<Maybe I should just learn Japenese.>> I wouldn't recommend it. I don't know much about Japanese, but it looks like an *exceptionally* difficult language.

Robby> Hm, interesting DBZ site. I had no idea they cut so much. And I thought Disney mistreated Gargoyles. I can understand some of the cuts (to DBZ I mean), though--after all, it *was* being shown on the Cartoon Network, in an afternoon timeslot.

Kitainia> <<My favorite episodes usually involved Thembria in some way, Spigot and Thunder were hilarious>> Dunder, actually. Spigot's accent *does* make him hard to understand. :) <<That's nothing to be ashamed of, I always thought Boba Fett was cool.>> Odd bit--in the first draft of Star Wars, Darth Vader pretty much *was* Boba Fett. There were also all kinds of other changes--Vader wasn't related to Luke and Leia, Luke and Leia weren't related to each other, Chewie was an amphibian instead of a mammal, Bespin was an Imperial prison, etc. Oh, and darn near everyone had lightsabers. That is something I've borrowed for my own purposes. >:)

Kaioto> <<Hm...you like to torment poor characters, eh? For some reason I always found it easier to kill off my own self-character in a story than any of the others. I find it agonizing...yet I can inflict untold suffering on projections of myself...weirdness...>> >:) Twisted minds think alike. You ever read my fics? I've put my own character through the most awful stuff, and I'll probably continue to do so. Heh. (BTW, for some reason, the "..." things you typed showed up as little black squares in Notepad. Are these special characters of some kind?)

SJ> Wow. I knew Demmy was twisted, but I had no idea. I wonder how my own profile would read. :) (On second thought...)

TRC> <<Could someone please tell me why when we first saw Anton Sevarius he looked 80 , and then After his "Staged" death looked 30-40 ?>> Um...not sure. I always figured the older look was just a disguise. What I want to know is, why did he seem to have a slight German accent before he 'died', and not after? Yet another aspect of the disguise? <<Is'nt this still showing on Toon Disney ?>> Yes, but only in reruns; they're not making any new eps. <<What would it take to get Todd MacFalane to do some extremely high detail , light-up-eyes , colour-changes-in-the-sun Gargoyle toys ?>> Truthfully? Rather a lot. First, it would take convincing Disney that Gargs is worth committing that much money to. I'm afraid they haven't thought that for years. Secondly, you'd have to keep the Disney execs away from any and all Spawn figures, since they'd decide that anyone who does figures like *that* shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a Disney licence. I mean, these are the ppl who cut 'Deadly Force'. They don't see things like that the way we do. If these things were accomplished, they'd have to actually hire MacFarlane to do the figures. It would probably take a lot of money; see the first concern. So it's possible, but unfortunately unlikely. :/

**RESUME RP!**

[The black shuttlecraft containing Anoth and his friends is now in sight of the Chicago invasion fleet. Jake: "Hey, who's that down there?" The others go to the window to see, and notice TIE fighters attacking a hoverjet. Jake: "Those aren't the Avatar's TIEs, and I don't have a clue who that jet belongs to. Think we should see what's going on?" Anoth: "Hm...in any other circumstance, I would, but we have other matters to attend to. Maintain our current heading."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 01:55:08 AM
IP: tnt-1-162-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

****NO RP TONIGHT****
I am just sooo tired right now. It feels like today was actually two days rolled into one. Have you ever thought about something so bad that it made you depressed? Well I thought about a lot of things like that today, but I was able to fight it off.

****EPISODE SPOILERS****
I knew it! The way Alex acted toward his fuzzy I thought that something like that might have happened. I wonder if Emrys is going to stay anyway.
****END SPOILERS****

Robby- most people being Obi-Wan. Maybe it means that we are all going to disappear when we die. Or like Obi-Wan, there is more to us than people might think.

Well, I'm off to sleep, rest, dream, wonder, whatever.
See ya later.
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 01:33:05 AM
IP: cache2.avtel.net

Mary: Sorry, girl-friend. I was just concerned ... I know sometimes you come in and are really distressed about stuff and I never was able to help. So this time I figured I might at least field something non-crisis, and (inevitable) stick my foot in it ... ah well, live and learn ... sorry bought that ... just over reacting I guess. I just remember everything with your sister etc and how upset you'd been and how useless I'd been in those couple of times and oh hell nevermind me :P ...
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 01:23:11 AM
IP: 1cust93.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Kioto>relax, this was just a dream where my "Daria" side was coming out. :P Man, why is it that nobody laughs at my jokes? *scratches her head* Course one of the reasons why I'm not terribly romantic does have to do with my upbringing. I actually have it better then my freinds. All of their parents are divorced and fight and neglect their kids. I just have married parents who are too old to have a sex life (52, 54). Plus they were both major geeks in high school. My mother used to be chunky and lived in a really stupid town. She kind of found all things romantic to be kind of...well...mooshy. She's actually exactly like Daria. My dad was a airplane nut and loved physics. Our life isn't very bad at all. We just have a really wierd sense of humor and I for one like to try and gross people out on occasion. :P Several times I asked my parents why they got married, and my mom keeps saying, "It was a slow Saterday!". And when I ask my dad he says he's too old to remember. We're not your typical American Family. As for the part of getting shagged rotten, I'm just using that word because I saw Austin Powers and I think it's a funny word. :P So relax!
Mary Flanders
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:39:31 AM
IP: stk-ts1-h2-37-88.ispmodems.net

SJ- A fun filler for that particular phrase I often use is "Oh SPIT!" Another fun thing to use is "What the HFIL?" TRC- The WB will not have a second chapter of Invasion America. Ratings were terrible apparently, and the second time they showed it, the cut two episodes and squished the last three in to one. Always a bad sign.

Corpses are buried laying down mostly because its easier to dig the hole that way, and there may be a religious reason behind it.

Sevarius looked 80 at first because it was a desguise to fool Derek into thinking he was a crazy old man. Also, like the mutates in that episode, the character designs were rushed, and nobody was happy with them so they were improved later.

Todd McFarlane would do that for a lotta money from Disney. SO unfortunatley, it'll never happen.

Darkwing Duck theme- Sure. (Clickie!)

Oooh, answering alotta questions in a row is fun! I wanna do it again!
Robby
Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:13:25 AM
IP: spider-to024.proxy.aol.com

**DC DEATH**(well . . . not really )
TRC is seen sitting over over in the middle of the room chanting , makeing writhing motions and pouring spoons of a peculiar smelling lizuid over a small object that he occasionally lifts up over his head . After a few minutes of this he gets up , smiles over at DC who has been watching the whole display suspiciously . He then lift up the for DC to see . DC gazes at it in apparent confusion , then his face contorts in pain and he falls down as his leg is apparently twisted 720 degrees , for some reason he is unable to scream , looking up he sees that TRC has twisted the leg of the Voodooo doll in a similar manner , DC then noticed that the doll's mouth was sewn shut . TRC then drops the doll onto the floor and grinds his heal into the doll's midsection and watching DC's torso fold in on itself . TRC then goes outside and ties the doll to a car tire whithout the owner noticeing him while she stops at a light . After watching the car move off to make sure that the nots hold for at least a while , he reentered the room and watches for half a minute as DC's body is continuously crushed flat , at which point he turns and makes his post .
**END DEATH**

Greetings folks . I am now convinced that a higher power somewhere does'nt want me in here , might have something to do with the exam that I have tomorrow , as I was cut off three more times during more storms and twice more in some random events .But I _will_ post everything that I started on before . So without further adue . . .

6 degrees - Bruce Willis , GO!!
Bruce Willis was in 5th Element with Chris Tucker , who was in Friday with Ice Cube , who was in Anaconda with John Voight , who was in Most Wanted with Keanen Ivory Wayans , who was with Salli Richardson in A Low Down Dirty Shame .

Gargoyles Alternate careers :
Hudson - Gangstrer rapper . Can you imagine him holding up his hand palm in , hiding his thumb and going "WESTSIDE!!"

Fox or Wolf - School bus driver .

Lexington - Football team Mascot . "The Gremlins"

Oberon - Public servant , cop or Garbage man or Gardener . (I'd just like to see him get taken down a notch or thirty .)

Anubis - Rodeo Clown .


Tim P. : Careful . Some people would rather be safe than sorry . So make sure to stay from people in fancy suits hanging around in unsavory neighbourhoods ; people you've seen on the news and of course , anyone you see with a silver briefcase . They say agents make good hostages . Smart move avoiding the IRS shirts too , now THAT would get you tarred , feathered , suspended and beaten like a rug from The Addams' household .
Shirts like that would have no market down here . Anyone who bought one would be killed if they went downtown , Rema or Tavalli .

Aris/Jackal - Peace be the journey guys , wherever it leads you (hopefully back here).

Star Wars personality test - I'm supposed to be Luke Skywalker . HAH yeah right .

Does anyone happen to know if the WB is coming out with another chapter to Invasion America this summer ?

This may sound kind of morbid , but does anyone know why corpses are buried lyeing down instead of standing up ? We've been haveing a little trouble with landspace out here of late and I have'nt been able get any sufficient reasons yet .

Could someone please tell me why when we first saw Anton Sevarius he looked 80 , and then After his "Staged" death looked 30-40 ? Was it supposed to be brain taping like in Christine's fanfic ?

What would it take to get Todd MacFalane to do some extremely high detail , light-up-eyes , colour-changes-in-the-sun Gargoyle toys ? I'd by the whole set .

Exams - I have 4 more exams to do with multiple papers for each of them . Needless to say I do'nt get off for quite awhile yet . July to be specific , oh well , at least it wo'nt be humid .

SJ : Never got my E-mail did you ?

Tale Spin - Is'nt this still showing on Toon Disney ? I really enjoyed this show too , right up there with the rest of the old Disney line up . If memory serves the name of the town was Cape Suzette(s/p?) . I always thought that Don Carnage was a jackel .

Speaking of the old line up ,
Robby : Think you could find the theme for Dark Wing Duck . Ca'nt remember if this one has been requested before although I do remember that we had alot of talk about it a few weeks ago , so if you did , sorry for the trouble .

Airwalker : I remember someone was saying that There was'nt enough of coldstone to make two whole gargoyles . Well if we assume Titania did something along the lines of cloning then there should have been more than enough genetic material to work with , and since the cold trio made up the stone sections of the cyborg , you have to wonder , what happened to the pieces that made up Iago .
Maybe they were referring to the soul more than the flesh when they were speaking of "life" . So maybe she was'nt giving life , just manipulating the life she had to work with and building on it .

Seargent Demona - The very first instant I heard "Fresh meat ." come out of that fanged mouth while she's looking at the new recruits I will be out of there faster than a drug dealer who's caught wind of a raid .

**RP**
TRC looked over at DMW Wilek who was similarly shackled to ground below Eisner's thrown . Thaey had both been stripped of their weaponry during their earlier fight , Calf had also drained his energy in a blast that was responsible for decimating a particularly large Shifter demon , but had left him open for every other caste in Eisner's hierarchy , both higher and lower , to take him out with little trouble . Dark Mage had been severely wounded by said demon when he'd turned his back to shout instructions to Calf to leave the throne room , that had left the demon open for Calf's attack . DMW had been slipping in and out of consciousness ever since .
But now as they watched the others fought a battle that they , simply put , did'nt have a chance of winning with the present odds . Calf turned his thoughts to the weaknesses that the members of this particular horde had in commmon . The answer was quick in comeing . Eisner . He had to be what was holding those blood bonded to him captive and those who should not have access to the plane firmly anchored there . His teammates were no fools , he noticed that a familiar looking person he had not recognised as part of the team was slowly working his way towards the throne , he also noticed the sorceror that had aided Eisner in summoning the shifters making his way towards the figure who Calf now recognised as Walt Disney .
There was no way to break free under his own power , "But ," he thought , looking back at the Lieutenant who had been asigned to guard him , "this guy looks fairly captivated ." Concentrating , he muttered a summoning spell under his breath and a small wisp appeared in front of him and began to flit back and forth in front of his eyes curseing agitatedly . "No I do'nt expect you to stay long , I just need you to deliver a message . Tell the Gargoyle that Shifters are in the shadows , that Dawn is near and we have no idea how the sun here will affect him or our enemies . But we do know that the sun wo'nt affect Eisner , either he's too strong or he has some form of protection ."
The wisp flashed brightly and flitted from side to side avoiding creatures that would be able to sense it . Calf gasped in horror as he saw an arm comeing out of the shadows towards SJ and Wilek's unguarded backs . He heard Argent scream a warning to them , followed closely by his own .
**END RP**


The Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Monday, June 14, 1999 11:53:32 PM
IP: 208.244.41.198

****AUSTIN POWERS APOILERS****
I was actually pretty disappointed with this. There were some parts that I will give credit to, but not many. Some jokes were just pure disgusting and others were really lame. I still think Mike Myers should make a Wayne's World 3!
****END SPOILERS****

Wilek & Zath> Thank you for noticing! Brooklyn's got the smallest nose in the free world!

David G> Actually, I agree with some of your Aftermath deaths. I feel that a character's death is always a good path to strong emotions and great development in a story.... as long as the character is killed off with grace. I'm thinking that Hudson is pretty good not to even get hurt through the war!

****AFTERMATH 2 SPOILERS****
I knew Puck/Owen wasn't dead! Though it would have been more realistic to keep him dead, the explanation was excellent! I'm glad Emrys is opening to the clan. Finally, Angela and Broadway are going to get official! It will cause some great scenes for Goliath and Demona. Just think, Demona, Goliath, Elisa, and Angela in the same room with some sense of calm! But poor Lex! This will only make him feel even more alone... I hope he and Liz get some serious interaction. A wonderful ep!
****END SPOILERS****

I just noticed in Future Tense that Brooklyn's right hand is covered! I wondered what happened....

Gotta go to bed! Tomorrow is gonna suck cause I have a doctor's appointment and that damn SAT class! On a lighter note.... OKIloveyoubyebye!
SOROW
Monday, June 14, 1999 11:42:23 PM
IP: usr2-dialup309.mix1.irving.cw.net

****BEGIN RP!!!!!***
Everyone, especially Eisner, is shocked at the sudden appearance of the ghost of Walt Disney!
"Holy S<<CENSORED>>!!!"
"KARI?!?!"
"Sorry."
SJ watches in amazement as Einser calls forth a sorcerer. The servant immediately moves to intercept the spirit of the Disney creator. "My, this keeps getting curiouser and curiouser..."
***PAUSE RP TEMPORARILY****

Hey folks, I thought you all might like this. I got bored tonight, so I decided to pick up one of my old psychology textbooks and...well, do a diagnosis on our favorite psycho, Demona. Remember, I'm no professional, but off the top of my head, here's the diagnosis and the disorders I came up with.
(From DSM-IV)
AXIS I: 309.81 Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (Chronic).
This stems mainly from the multiple disasters she's seen in her long lifetime, initially beginning with the destruction of the Wyvern clan.
Criteria: A) Exposure to a traumatic event in which: 1) she experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with the event that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury and 2) her response involved intense fear, helplessness, and horror (this can apply to many things in her life, but the Wyvern destruction was the initial cause).
B) The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in: 1)Recurrent and intrusive recollections of the event, 2) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event 3) recurring distressing dreams of the event (I have no real proof of dreams, but I suspect...)
C) Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness: 1) efforts to avoid thoughts, feelings, or conversations associated with the trauma, 2) feeling of detachment or estrangement from others, and 3) restricted range of affect (e.g. unable to have loving feelings....personally, save for Angela, I don't see a lot of love in Demona's life).
D) Persistent symptoms of increased arousal: 1)irritability or outbursts of anger, 2) hypervigilance, and 3) exaggerated startle response.
E) Duration of disturbance is more than 1 month (more like 1 millenium...)
F) The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
[Also, on a side note, she may be suffering from an Adjustment Disorder, in essence failing to overcome the trauma.]
AXIS II: 301.0 Paranoid Personality Disorder
I won't go into quite as much detail as before. Criteria: A) A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent.
B) Does not occur exclusively during the course of Schiphrenia, Mood disorder with Psychoit Features, or another Psychotic Disorders
Also, 301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years. (I'm guessing at the age, although she certainly seemed a bit antisocial in her teenage years.)
AXIS III: General Medical Conditions.
Transformation from Gargoyle to human
AXIS IV: Problems with family (Angela, clan)
Problems with scocial environment (she hates humanity in a human controlled world).
AXIS V: Global Assessment of fu