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TRAVELER - You wrote: [Why remake the Awakening and put it into theaters?]

Because it's the origin story. I would love to see a Gargoyles movie that could fit in place of TGC past THE JOURNEY. But when a movie is being made, you have to take the stand that absolutely none of the viewing audience knows anything about these characters or this universe. We know but we are the fans. The average person on the street who might decide to pop in and see it is not going to know every single detail that we do. The first movie has to be made from an assumption of ignorance. AWAKENINGS is the very beginning, it is the origin and the starting point for Gargoyles stories set in Modern times with this cast. Why not use it instead of ignoring it and trying to come up with something different? It may be a bit boring to us to watch a redo of something we all probably have on tape but we are the minority here. The majority know nothing about the show and to them AWAKENINGS in a live action movie would be completely new.

You wrote: [the movie would be better animated.]

I would like to see an animated Gargoyles movie (done by Walt Disney Japan of course) released. It would seem to me to be much simplier than going through all this trouble with a live action movie. But there was a bid to do a live action movie and no interest in doing a animated one. So I'll take what I can get assuming that Greg can somehow keep them from turning this into a tragedy of some sort on the level of TGC or of the Dean Devlin's script.


SHAUNTELL - You wrote: [I will NOT watch any rated R movies, PERIOD. Angela must be in the gargoyles movie, or I will NOT see it. If it's PG -13, it better not have any sexual content whatsoever, cause I WON'T watch it if it does.]

I'm positive that Gargoyles the movie isn't going to be R rated. I'm not even sure that it's going to get a PG-13 rating. I imagine that it will be PG although it might walk the fine line between PG and PG-13. I doubt that there will be any sexual content whatsoever. Do forget that no matter who is doing this movie, ultimately the person behind them is this huge sinister looking mouse with the word DISNEY tattooed to it's arm. I doubt that they will allow anything to be done in the movie that couldn't be done on the show on television. Gargoyles after all is a property that can still be brought back and I don't think they want to ruin it's chances for making them money a few years down the line.

As for Angela showing up in the movie, I wouldn't count on it. The movie has to be an origin. Adding in and explaining the whole Avalon thing is just going to complicate everything. The movie has to be kept simple so as to not alienate the viewing public. Besides if they bring Angela into the first movie then what are they going to do in the sequel? I could picture AWAKENINGS as the first movie and AVALON as the second.

The plotlines for all these movies already exist. It's just a matter of redoing them in order for them to fit into a two hour live action format. Some details here and there are going to change but there is nothing that can be done about that. This movie isn't going to remain faithful to every aspect of continuity. We have to prepare ourselves for that or there is going to be as much disappointment here with it as there was among many Star Wars fans about the Phantom Menace.

I figure as long as they get the major details straight then minor changes (such as perhaps changing Xanatos's plan for what he wanted the Gargoyles for or speeding up the Goliath/Elisa romance so that there would be some sort of development in the first movie [although it shouldn't be major; perhaps they should recognise to themselves by the end of the movie that they have some sort of feelings for each other - kind of like the end of THE MIRROR] or lengthening the medieval scenes in order to give a better view of human/gargoyle relations back then as well as more obvious motivation for a betrayal by The Captain and Demona) while they would bug me wouldn't be as important and could be overlooked. (Or looked at as a retcon. If the plot details remains the same but some details change here and there then we do what Marvel Comic fans have done for years - follow whatever version we like and argue loudly about it on Usenet :-) )

You wrote: [I, too, hope Greg Wiesman helps make the movie. It'll be boring and inconsistant with the cartoon if he doesn't.]

I don't understand why they don't just have him rework the existing script that seems to have problem after problem rather than just bring in someone who has no clue about any Gargoyles continuity.

But I do agree that Greg should be involved in this movie in a major way on the script and casting level. Continuity is not going to be absolutely the same. Movies usually never stay completely true to the material they are based on, but as long as it stays largely in line with what we know then there shouldn't be that much of a problem.

You wrote: [I mean, the movie would probably still be good, but just not as unigue or exciting. Especially if none of the main characters are involved. In my opinion, it would be ridiculous to go back and add things to the story of GARGOYLES when everything's already been said and done.]

That's true. But the creators behind the live action movie don't want to just completely rip off what has been done on television before and they also probably want to add their own bit to the movie so some change is going to have to happen. But it shouldn't be major. If they change Xanatos' objectives for the Gargoyles in AWAKENINGS from getting three disks to getting some other bits of technology then it is a change but not a really major one for example.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, August 8, 1999 10:10:42 AM
IP: 153.new-york-20-25rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Hi all!!

Christine:hate to expose my ignorance (or maybe it's lack-of-sleep brain melt), but who's SPG?>>SPG was Vyvians pet hamster in an old BBC tv show called The Young Ones,SPG means Special Patrol Group(a division of the British Police force)

Bronx Wyvern:Thanks for the info about the Gargoyles movie.

Wilek:Thanks for the Sly Sludge death,it was a thing of beauty>:)

SOROW:23? *drooooool* Care to reveal your picture? ;)>>I wish I could but I have absolutly no idea how.:(

Heather:Welcome back and concratulations on the promotion.

Warpmind:Oh, and y'all participants in the Hunt: You want yer e-mail adresses there, or not? Let me know.>>I'm afraid I must decline as well but thank you for the offer all the same.

**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Having just found out that the backstreet boys are hiding in a dumpster Xanathar makes his way to the alley at the rear of the concert hall maiming several fanatics along the way,by the time he reaches the alley Xanathar's chainsaw and clothes are dripping with blood,looking into the alley he notices that there is at least six dumpsters in it.

"Come out come out wherever you are!!"said Xanathar grinning and revving his chainsaw for effect

A whimper could be heard comming from the bin at the rear of the alley.

Xanathar walks over to the bin and opens the lid and notices to his displesure that only one of the Backstreet boys is in it"Hello there"said Xanathar grabbing him by the throat and pulling him out of the bin"where are the others?said Xanathar angrily and threw him against the alley wall"Where are they?"said Xanathar again and brought the tip fo his chainsaw to within inches of the teen singers face.

"There at the Govenor's they ran there as soon as you guys started tearing up the place now please will you just let me go!!"said the singer scared out of his wits.

"not just yet there's something else I want you to do for me!"said Xanathar

"what?"said the singer

"I want you to sing for me"said Xanathar"I want you to sing for me the song that we all sing when are time comes,I want you to sing your death song"and with that Xanathar trust his chainsaw into the teen singer and the screams echoed out of the alley into the night

**To Be Continued**

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Sunday, August 8, 1999 08:32:09 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

<Pistoff>:Your right, we don't want Oberon getting off of his free trip out of the solor system, and catching a return flight. So rig a claymore mine loaded with iron to explode of the capsule is breached in any way. Nothing like a little insurance.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 08:06:46 AM
IP: fltg3-ppp64.fltg.net

Okay, I'm checking back after far too few hours of sleep :(

Mary Flanders: Doubt it. We do not hunt family of anybody we know. At least, not relatives of NICE people we know.

Pistoff: Sorry I yelled. I got the desriptions all right, thanks. Too bad there were no images. Will update cast page ASAP.

Okay, gotta do an update on the Joyyride page first, plus add a link to it on my main page, but first:

**JOYRIDE O' BLOOD**
Panic. Screaming fanatics are running everywhere, trying to escape the wicked fate awaiting them at the hands of the maniacally laughing, chainsaw-wielding guy running after them. Wilek is chasing others, using his tail and wings as offensive weapons, while Miriam is handling some weird form of raygun, melting whoever she hits. Warpmind, Pistoff and Jack are nowhere to be seen from the stage.
"Yo, Xanathar, Pistoff just loaded Hanson into the trunk! I got Jack here with me, we're trying to figure out where Backstreet Boys went!"
"Roger that, Warps, just gimme a sec here, and I'll help."
Warpmind, followed by Jack Hammer, runs into a small corridor off the side of the stage. A cheer of joy emanates, apparently voiced by Warpmind.
"Oh, yes! A fire axe, I practiced for two years with one of those, for hand-to-hand combat! It's the only axe I'd dare to wield! Jack, you keep looking, I'll go out fan-desizing!"
Warpmind leaps off the stage, slips in a puddle of blood, recovers, and starts handling the axe like a bo stick. As soon as the first screaming fan comes into reach, the axe performs a magnificen flurry of movements, seemingly by itself, and the screamer falls apart over most of the floor. One of the other fans get hit in the face by a flying foot and passes out.
"Aww, darn. Now, there went the fun with him."
"HIM???" The others chorus.
"Yeah, him. No chest, faint signs of a potential bulge in the loins, I'd say this is a male. Of course, a male at a Backstreet Boys/Hanson concert is probably just a faggot anyway, so..."
With one swift movement, Warpmind throws the axe to Pistoff, pulls out a chemical syringe, and injects a golden liquid into the unconcious person on the floor. He awakens.
"Hi, kid. I'm not going to hurt you. You've been out for hours, there seems to have been a massacre here. Know where Backstreet Boys are? They're stil unaccounted for."
The guy looks at Warpmind with unfocused eyes.
"Th... they're hiding in a trash container, I think. That's the lasht I shaw of'em."
"Thanks, kid. By the way, I lied. I AM going to hurt you."
Warpmind sprays the semiconcious youngster with a chemical. The kid quickly freezes, then is shattered by Jack running over and kicking him.
**TO BE CONTINUED**

That's all for now.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, August 8, 1999 04:58:21 AM
IP: mp-217-230-177.daxnet.no

Gargoyles movie-forget the kiddies of today , they're too interested in Pokemon too care about a gargoyles movie . Most of the fans are at least older than 12 . So why not make it an animated film , but with enough graphic content to give it a PG-13 rating. thats how most of us would rather have it , right? and I would like to have a good Greg Weisman tested and approved script. And the same actors as in the show [Kieth David , Sally Richardson,etc.] but maybe three or four new characters with voices done by big hollywood actors and actresses. These are just my ideas , don't get mad if they sound stupid to you guys .
traveler - [Goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:22:37 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

Rubber monsters-Just in case you forget again , that flying, fire-breathing turtles name is Gamera.

traveler - [Goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:07:26 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

Godilla and co.-Just in case you forget again that flying, fire-breathing turtles name was [and still is] Gamera.

traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:04:16 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

Coyote: Yeah, I figured the motivation was "cashola." I was thinking logically, and I should've known that logic could never apply to merchandising. ;) But it was late and I was tired and didn't have my head screwed on straight...I'll know better next time. :) And that dumb customer...my friggin' god! How could anybody possibly be so damned stupid? It shouldn't surprise me anymore, but occasionally I run into one that just throws me for a loop. A friend of mine works at Fred Meyer, and he told me about this one that still amazes me to this very day. This guy went in and asked where the garden hoses are. My friend showed him the selection of hoses. The guy bought a soaker hose and went home. For some reason, he hooked the hose to his kitchen faucet instead of a faucet outside, and he ran the hose through the house and out into the back yard. He turned it on and wondered why no water came out of the end. He apparently let it run for a long time, because it ruined his carpet. I guess he didn't notice the fine jets of water squirting out of the hose--nor did he notice, it seems, that the end of the hose was sealed off. He tried to sue the company, but my friend pointed out that he shouldn't have hooked a soaker hose up to the kitchen faucet.

"But I didn't know it was a soaker. How the hell am I supposed to know that?"

My friend pointed out the words "SOAKER HOSE" on the box. Big, bold block letters. "Hospital must've been running a special on lobotomies."

**rimshot**

Warpmind: Okay, I sent you the descriptions. Oh, and I forgot to mention--go ahead and put my email address in there. :)

Wilek: <With the requisite encounters with disturbingly stupid (or just disturbing) customers, no doubt? >:)> Hehe, exactly. That's why it's called "The Far End of the Dark Side." :)

Xanathar: The cops arrested somebody in your back yard? Bitchin'!! :)

Gyre: Nifty idea on how to get rid of Oberon. But just to make sure he doesn't come back, they should point the rocket toward the nearest black hole... :)

Tim P: Like your script ideas. :)

Gargoyles movie: Actually, it might be interesting if this were done as a Heavy Metal movie...we would finally get to see full-frontal Demona nudity! BOIOIOIOIOIOIOINNNNNG! :D

Joyriders: It's been a long day, my brain's fried. I'll try to come up with a bit for the Joyride later, if I can get enough synapses to fire. If any of you get there first, go right ahead with it. I'll jump in wherever the last one left off...
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:02:52 AM
IP: wire-9.koalas.com

Okay, I've only got a couple things to say; (Kind of a rant, so be warned ^_^!!)
I will NOT watch any rated R movies, PERIOD. Angela must be in the gargoyles movie, or I will NOT see it. If it's PG -13, it better not have any sexual content whatsoever, cause I WON'T watch it if it does. Sex is a beautiful thing, but if Hollywood, it's a nightmare. It's all they think about. That's why I don't see many movies.
I, too, hope Greg Wiesman helps make the movie. It'll be boring and inconsistant with the cartoon if he doesn't. I mean, the movie would probably still be good, but just not as unigue or exciting. Especially if none of the main characters are involved.
In my opinion, it would be ridiculous to go back and add things to the story of GARGOYLES when everything's already been said and done. It would be like a major continuity nit in the Gargoyles Universe. The only thing I care about seeing is Angela, and Goliath and Elisa. I would just die if they got married. That would be totally cool. :) :)
Anyway, I think I've ranted and talked enough. I'm gonna go to bed before I really get weird. ANd I usually don't do that often. ^_^
Later everybody!!!
Shauntell - [sgargoyle9@aol.com]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:52:26 AM
IP: spider-te083.proxy.aol.com

Gargoyles movie-WHy remake the Awakening and put it into theaters? That would be a great idea if you were going to put it out onto video right before the movies release [which I say again , should take place after "The journey episode"] and in the video after the credits roll you could have maybe a five minute featurette which has series highlights [from the awakening to the journey]. So that people new to the series would have the beginning plus essential moments in the series.
And the movie would be better animated.
traveler - [goliath@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:41:38 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

I spent the last hour typing, I had this huge post and I was about to send it when my computer froze and I lost everything. It just makes me want to scream.


COYOTE - I don't think that it would be wise to info-dump the entire series into the first ten minutes of a movie. The movie should stick to the basic plot of AWAKENINGS although in order to say that they didn't just rip off everything that was shown on television, certain changes could be made.

The Plot as it should stand:

GARGOYLES: A clan of an ancient race of beings who turn to stone in daylight, were betrayed, and largely destroyed. The survivors were turned to stone magically for a thousand years only to be awaken by a villianous multi-billionaire with his own agenda that he wants to use them for. At the same time they seek to come to terms with what has happened and find a place for themselves in this strange new world.

Scenes that they could add:

- Expand the Medieval scenes to give more of an idea of Human/Gargoyle relations at Wyvern.

This gives the opportunity to expand slightly the motivation of The Captain and Demona in their betrayal of the Castle.

The Captain for example could be given more reasons than that he just simply liked the Gargoyles more and was disgusted with the ungrateful Humans who surrounded him.

Demona's line in AWAKENINGS 5 - "You can ask me that after how they treated us!" - could be expanded. (I've always wondered if Demona and other female Gargoyles had a harder time in Medieval Wyvern. After all it's one thing to be seen as a demon, but most of the human population in that frontier castle would be men and more likely to look on her as a succubi than anything else. Perhaps that could even more personalize Demona's hatred for the residents at Wyvern, and at the same time explain why Goliath wouldn't be as hateful towards them. As a male Gargoyle, he would probably only be seen as a demon and nothing more and thus wouldn't have had to put up with advances and looks that maybe Demona had to deal with, which would give him a more neutral view on things.)

- Change Xanatos' scheme a bit.

In a cartoon, having him wake up a clan of Gargoyles to steal three disks doesn't stand out as much as it would in a movie where a general audience would ask "Why doesn't he just hire some mercenaries to do the job or just bribe the workers at Cyberbiotics to get him the information?"

Instead what he intends them to steal should be changed a bit. They could still try and go for the disks but at the same time should be sent after something specific that would make use of Gargoyle strength and ability to glide. Perhaps a hard to impossible to get to prototype robotic brain could be the target?

- Elisa and Goliath relationship scenes should be expanded a bit. They shouldn't move to HUNTERS MOON stage in the first movie but there should be some slight movement between the two of them recognising that they might have feelings for each other (although they don't have to reveal that they do. That increases tention and could work well for a sequel).


Scenes would have to be eliminated or reworked:

- Hudson and the Trio should appear, but while they should get some characterization and a few moments to themselves, they would lose out a lot in any movie to Goliath and Elisa. For example the Motorcycle scene would have to go but at the same time the kitchen scene could be retained in keeping with the stranger in a strange land idea.

- The attack in the Park and that whole Xantos scheme could be reworked or redone in a different manner. I don't think that it should be done but if it's left in then there might not be enough time for other expanded scenes (there are only two hours to work with). As to what should be put in it's place, I'll leave that to more imaginative minds to come up with.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:18:04 AM
IP: 70.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Taco Bell Gargoyles-Bronx, what I was trying to get at was that Godzilla of Toho co. and the Godzilla movie made in america hade nothing in common exept for the title and the fact that there is a huge lizard in both. I grew up with the big guy and I have [or have seen] every single one of his movies , And it surprized me when I saw Godzilla's name over a monster that looked nothing like what I was used to . And as for calling the movie "crappy" , I was just quoting what a friend of mine [who had seen the film ] had said.
As for the taco bell gargoyles , well , some publicity is better than none , but when I first saw the Godzilla taco bell comercials I felt like they were making fun of it [Godzilla]. And I just can't picture Goliath munching on a mexican pizza.
traveler - [Goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:14:36 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

David G> heres my e-mailaddy if you need it :)

Now, Skippy's opinion of Blair Witch:

Just saw it this afternoon, while I was watching it, I really found I wasn't getting into the plot. I think the first person documentary style they were using got in the way of the story at some points because it did drag on at several points and there was not enough exposition of the legend to make any real sense. I really found out more of the background from reading their website than watching the movie, which I don't think is a good thing. I have to give the actors credit for their performances, fear is probably the most difficult emotion to mimic, but they did give some reality to the situation.

I remember UPN airing a similar movie a few years back called Alien Abduction. While the effects in the movie gave away it's cheesy nature, the story was actually better presented there than in Blair. Instead of just running the footage and letting the chips fall as they may. The Alien story featured commentary and "expert" interviews to help establish the story better. If Blair had done this, added interviews like the ones they created for the website and used that to help establish more story. I think they would have a much better product

Despite my complaints, I have to admit one thing. I live out in the country and the roads around my house are wodded and sparsely populated, much like the movie. As I drove home after the movie, I couldn't help but keep watching the woods with a little wariness. The movie might not have scared me, but on at least one level it did disturb me....
BTW Click my name for the Blair website
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 12:34:16 AM
IP: uv1-55.ultravision.net

I'm glad you agree Wilek Nereus
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, August 8, 1999 12:17:21 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

**BRIEF RP!**

[Wilek's team recieves a call from Jammer: "Guys, Guod has activated the Devastator's self-destruct! Where are you?" Wilek: "We're outside." Jammer: "Get away, as fast as you can! When this thing blows, the explosion is going to be HUGE!" Jake: "Guess we didn't need to bother with those charges on the core." Jammer: "They'll probably make the explosion even bigger." Wilek: "I guess that's our cue to exit. You guys need an evac?" Jammer: "Well...we can probably make it out by ourselves, but have the Avatar keep a portal lock on us, just in case." Wilek: "Right. We're leaving now." Jammer: "Thanks." Wilek has the Avatar open a portal for them, and soon they're aboard the station.]

**END RP AND BEGIN AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE!**

[In the offices of www.mp3.com, the incompetent technicians slave away at their terminals, thinking up ever more creative ways to keep users away from the site's music files...when a couple of bloody and battered guards stagger in and barricade the door they came in through. Tech: "What the..." Guard: "There's...there's something coming this way! It's been killing everyone in the building! It almost got Harvey!" Harvey is the other guard that came in. Soon, in the distance, we hear bangs, rips, screams, and the crazed rantings of a very familiar voice. The guards, recognizing it, scream and run to the fire escape. Soon, we hear something pounding on the door, and for a short time, the barricade seems effective...until *it* barges in, splintering the door and scattering the barricade. It is Wilek, somehow enraged and gleeful at the same time, giggling maniacally and ranting in what sounds like a mangled cross between Latin and Romanian, clearly out of his mind. He spits out a bit of raw meat acquired when he tore out someone's throat with his fangs, and sets about slaughtering the technicians and surviving guards. He then kicks down the door to the manager's office, to find said manager cowering in a corner and trying frantically to page someone. Wilek grabs the phone. "Sorry, pal; a friend of mine took care of the phones. It's just you and me." He looks at the phone's LCD display and recognizes the number thereon. "Mr. Disconnect? I kinda thought he was on your payroll. Don't worry, he'll <hehehe> go to the dogs soon enough." Wilek then rips off the manager's head and kicks it out the window, and tears the body limb from bloody limb. A now much calmer Wilek: "I feel cleansed..."

Meanwhile, Mr. Disconnect is standing about in a secluded wilderness area, wondering why on earth his current employer at Mp3.com asked to meet him in this forsaken glade. Soon, he becomes aware of a presence--no, a pack of them--among the trees surrounding him. He feels like he's being watched. He discreetly tries to escape--but over a dozen howling creatures that look for all the world like large furry wolf-headed humanoids descend upon him. One of them knocks him down and holds a silver knife to his throat. "<hehehe> You're Disconnect, aren't you! You were unwise to trespass upon the territory of the werewolves of the Red Talon tribe, human!" DC: "<whimper>" Another Garou calls, "The blue fellow was right; you *are* pathetic!" "I wonder what we'll do with him. Ideas, anyone?" "YULETIDE RITES!" "Yeah, yuletide rites!" Most of the others take up the call. A younger werewolf asks, "Isn't this supposed to take place in December?" "It's always more fun when it's out of season! HAHAHAHAAAH!" "Deck the halls with gutz of humans, falalalala..." The pack proceeds to tie Mr. Disconnect to a tree, disembowel him, eat some of the meat off his bones, hang his skin and entrails on the tree's branches like demented Christmas ornaments, and put his head on top of the tree.]

**END SICK STUFF AND BEGIN POST (don't step in the doggie doo)**

Click my name, everyone. Miriam's organization gave me this URL, told me to bring it to your attention, and made me promise not to see what was on it. How they hacked into my account is beyond me...

Entity> Well said, regarding the Gargs movie. I can't say it better than the reviewer: "Watch those Italian loafers, I'm going to vomit."

Pistoff> <<Just picture this one--Brooklyn delivering pizzas...with Jack Hammer!! <eg>>> With the requisite encounters with disturbingly stupid (or just disturbing) customers, no doubt? >:) <<I remember seeing some sort of "assault glider" or something like that...and the picture on the box showed Goliath riding it!>> Ah, the Night Striker (I think that's what it's called). I have that thing. It's nice, in and of itself, but what did it have to do with Gargoyles? Nothing, except Disney and Kenner thought it was marketable. <sigh> <<The sow's demise? The SOW'S demise??!?!?!?>> The Sow's Demise...kewl name for a band. ^_^

Xanathar> <<Interesting story,last night police were outside of my house with tracking dogs looking for a burgular in the neighborhood and they found him in my backyard, they set the dogs on him and then beat him up and finally carted him off,the worst thing about this is that I SLEPT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING!!>> ACK! I'm glad he didn't get into your house! <<I'd like to order a Sly Sludge death,he got to me the other day(my life seems to be interesting lately)>> Coming right up, at the end of this post. :)

Warpmind> $<<Wilek, with your permission, I'll use the picture you mentioned of you and Miriam for the character description page.>> Sure thing. ^_^$ Some idiot BROKE INTO YOUR ROOM?!! ACK!!! If that happened to me, they'd never find the body. But you took care of him *very* nicely. >:)

Even more newcomers> The sanity extractor will be busy tonight! >:) Welcome, one and all! :D

Tim P.> Great script ideas! :D

Heather> Welcome back! And congratulations on the promotion! :D

Spacebabie> <<Does anyone here like Anime also?>> I do! I've only recently begun to really appreciate it though. I think I started to truly understand how kewl it is when I saw Tekkaman Blade II.

Bronx> So...the movie might get past the development phase soon? Great; it's been stuck there for...what, a year?

Stephen> <<So, I'm still alive and healthy. I just needed a night or two of sleep to recover.>> Oh, good. Glad things weren't as bad as we thought. :)

James> Anubis ruling Avalon? Ooh...all kinds of possibilities there... >:)

Gyre> <<Bind him in iron, the more the better. Prepare a Saturn 5 rocket for launch, toss the bound Oberon into the space capsule, also lined with iron, and launch tje thing into a trajectory that takes it out of the solor system. No more Oberon problems.>> :O You're evil. I'm impressed. >:)

Robby> I'm not sure if you'll recieve this in time, but I'd like to add Caitlingoyle as one of my Favorite Artists. :)

Coyote> <<Incidentally, I found the character this figure was modeled after ... she's a character in an Avatar Comics title called "Curse of the Ravening." **shudders** The character in the book apparently is a lesbian vampire.)>> <grr> SOMEBODY GON' DIE! Heh...well, not really; it's not like they did that deliberately. But that *is* weird, and not in the good way either.

David G.> <<Maybe the ones you got weren't mine after all.>> Did they look like winged octopi, and were they babbling about conspiracies and sleeping beasts and the Apocalypse? They may be mine; I've had severe writers block for several weeks now.

**ANOTHER ORGY OF VIOLENCE!**

[Wilek stomps into Sli Sludge's hideaway, enraged that the Plague Spreader has blighted a friend and fellow clan member. Following behind him is a vaguely gargoid magically animated statue, something like a golem, wielding an axe. Sli: "What the..." Wilek: "I think you'll appreciate my newest toy. Go get 'im!" The golem lurches at Sli, who grabs an axe of his own and brings it down upon the golem's head, splitting it in two. He grins smugly...but then the pieces reform into *two* smaller golems, both with axes. They attack, managing to deal a few serious wounds, before Sli breaks them into several pieces each. *Those* pieces reform into more golems. The cycle continues until a bloody and battered Sli Sludge is lying amid a pile of gravel...and of course, the gravel becomes more golems, which climb into every bodily orifice they can find, and begin hacking away at his internal organs, condemning him to a slow, painful death.]

**END RIPPED-OFF DEATH! Wilek: "Actually, it was a *homage*."**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, August 7, 1999 11:59:06 PM
IP: tnt-3-119-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Spacebabie> I was mostly interested in whether you liked to watch fan subtitled video, or wated for domestic releases. Personally I watch more fansub. My personal collection is around 100 tapes. I don't buy video tapes very often, since they (a) cost around $20 each, and (b) the picture degrades and the subtitles are hard to read. I usually prefer subtitles to dubs, because the translation is better.

On the other hand, I now have a DVD player, and DVD's don't degrade like tapes do. If only I had some money.

Either way, I highly recommend a title called Lain. I just saw the second volume tonight, and it's cool beyond words. It should be on VHS now, and the DVD's start coming out in the middle of this month.

Delphi> Standard mail is OK. I figured out how to end "Hot Lead and Coldsteel" this afternoon, and I outlined the new episode 3, called "Survivor's Guilt" this evening. Maybe the ones you got weren't mine after all.

Skippy> Ben lost your e-mail address. I've got to check to see if I have it in my address book so I can give it to him again. The latest news about the con is that the university won't let us reserve the rooms until the semester starts, so we don't know for sure what date we'll run it. It will either be Oct 30th, or Nov 15th.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 11:44:26 PM
IP: pppa18-fortworth5-3r201.saturn.bbn.com

AirWalker::Thank you for that delicious piece of information((And the angels did fly higher on gossamer wings and sang out a joyous song))

David G::Fansubs? If you man if I create them no I dont..if you man if I watch them, yeah but I usually watch more dubs...due to the fact that the Subtitaled videos are eating my wallet.

I hope the link works. Its to a crossover series::looks sheepish:: part of a long drawn out saga itself, but anyways I'm trying to draw some decent Gargie pics, but argh!!! I did manage to sketch out a preliminary of Siris a Garg Beast. C-ya around.
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Florida, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:03:32 PM
IP: ts002d33.orl-fl.concentric.net

**enters the room with a copy of "Lowrider" magazine under his arm, switching out the candles and sitting down**

Hmm, lots of stuff to talk about ... let's see if I can talk about it. ;)

Oh, I'm no longer worried about my car being freakish with my Garg conversion. **holds up the magazine** If some guy can paint a huge mural of the Hulk on the rear deck of a '68 Bonneville and the rest of it hunter green, then I can create "Now And Forever." :)

Oh, before I forget ... **pastes a label with Lady Arianna's name on one of the remotes in the bag** When she comes in, she can pick her flavor. :)

"Gargoyles" film, if I were writing it: Here's what *should* happen in a Gargoyles film ... spend the first ten minutes or so with a summary of the whole series, only focusing on major things that will impact the movie's plot. Among these highlights (which, if it's live action, should be re-filmed in L.A. as faithfully to the original as possible) should be:
*The Wyvern Massacre.
*The Clan frozen in stone
*The Clan reawakening in Manhattan
*Goliath meets Elisa (falls of building)
*Goliath's choice of Elisa over Demona (falling off of building again)
*Broadway accidentally shooting Elisa
*Goliath and Elisa's glide in "The Mirror" ("I never realized when you were a human ... just how beautiful you are.")
*Meeting Angela at the start of the Avalon Tour
*Goliath accepts that Angela *is* his daughter
*The Trio making utter fools of themselves around Angela
*"The Reckoning" -- Angela tells Demona she hates her.
*Elisa nearly dies during "Hunter's Moon"
*Goliath and Elisa's reunion/Jason Canmore's crippling
*And of course ... THE KISS! ;)
If it's edited right, every scene above could be covered and shown interspersed with the opening credits. After which, the plotline picks up from the end of "Hunter's Moon."

Wilek, re: Deltan: You must be referring to bald-as-an-egg sex symbol Lt. Ilia from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture," who was indeed played by Indian actress Persis Khambatta (and who, unfortunately, is indeed dead ... she died of cancer two years ago).

Pistoff, re: toy executives performing self-rectal exams: There's a rationale (however stupid it may be) to putting the stupid crap with the characters when they'd never use it under normal circumstances.
One word: CASHOLA!!
It's the main reason why there's about ... oh, I'd say 100 or so variants on a Batman figure currently being sold in the US today; the companies know that Batman is a bankable character, so if they alter him slightly in different ways, they can make more money off the little punks who tell their parents that they want the new Batman, never mind that they already have an *army* of Batmen enough to take over half their town if they so pleased.
'Tis also why there's such a dearth of female action figures, except in the collector arena; the toy manufacturers' rationale is that women as action figures are *only* good for collector's items, the main reason why they only pack them about one to a case of 50. Which is why I was so surprised a month ago (not only because of the name of the figure) to get my mitts on that Ravyn action figure.
(Incidentally, I found the character this figure was modeled after ... she's a character in an Avatar Comics title called "Curse of the Ravening." **shudders** The character in the book apparently is a lesbian vampire.)

Mellow greetin's to all newcomers!

JEB: Exploding Coyote?! No way, not only would that not be fun for me, but either I'd wind up dead or everyone else would, depending on what part of me exploded! (*L* j/k)

Stephen: **breathes a sigh of relief** Boy, I'm glad. **looks over situation** Hmm ... one of these days when I get it done, I oughtta get "Now And Forever" up there some Thursday night. ;)

SOROW, re: winking: Nah, it's the dust, definitely.

Doug: Coolies on the movie reviews. As far as Thomas Crown goes ... well, y'see now why nobody's tried a remake of that film before (it's originally from the '60s.), and that's mainly because the *original* was that much of a yawner, as well.

Oh, did anyone catch Leno last night with Heather Donahue (from "Blair Witch")? Maaan, is she tall! No wonder she screams so well, she's got plenty of lung capacity. And of course the funniest bit with her came at the end when Ben Stiller disappeared and a stick doll was left on the couch in his place: "BEN! BEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!" :)

Delphi: You want the ultimate dumb customer? Yesterday, this idiot called the store *four times* trying to get a fuse box. We don't carry those under normal situations, let alone for his application (it was for a '64 Buick Lesabre), so the first time he called I referred him to a place called Vintage Auto Parts in Malibu, California.
Calls back three minutes later. "I was referred to a Malibu Vintage Auto Parts. What city is that in?"
**slaps forehead**
Calls back again the same day, this time the parts manager tells him the information he needs.
THEN HE COMES IN THIS MORNING, trying to find out if we can get the damned fuse box for him, after we told him *THREE TIMES* that fuse boxes can't be ordered through us!!
**sigh** My friend, I swear ... Darwin is rolling so fast in his grave he's drilling a hole to the center of the Earth.

**sits back in the chair, opening up the magazine and trying to read it ... but surrenders to fixating on the candle**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:03:24 PM
IP: modem20.i-is.com

Goodevening all

Okay I just spent 15 min laughing at myself. You ask why? Well I finally figured out that DC=disconnect, all these weeks I've been skipping those sections in the CR and wondering what in the cow paddies that abbreviation refered to, (sorry had to stop and laugh some more, I just pictured a required reading site to prepare us newbies for, well joining in on the insanity.)

I had a Great Dumb customer call today, This lady calls and asks if we have any plants on sale in our gardenshop. "No Mamme I have no plants whatsoever" , "well then do you have any trees?", (I'm thinking not another one) "WE HAVE NO PLANTS, is there anything else I can help you with?" "Then tell me what you do have." (I pause, Does she want me to tell her about all the tools, hoses, chemicals etc, etc, etc, NAW couldn't be) "Mam, are you wanting to know what kind of PLANTS we have in stock." "YES" (OH MY, SHE'S DEAF TOO!) "WE ARE SOLD OUT OF PLANTS TILL NEXT YEAR" "OH, well that's all I needed"
RANT WARNING
There are always a few customer you wait till the end of the season, they see all the thousands of plants, I get in and figure that I'm going to end up sitting on them, and then selling them dirt cheap in Aug. But we never have any reason to, they always sell out. What I really wanted to tell her is that IF YOU snooze YOU lose.
END RANT

David G>>creative demons: do you want them em, fed-x'd, mailed, or UPS'd, I think I have a box around here somewhere? Anything else I can do to help???

To those Of you who went to the garg convention, I'm trying to see if I can work getting there next year into my budget, would any of you mind EMAILing me rough est on what it cost this year? use email below. I'm just looking for some base figures so I can start planning.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:50:42 PM
IP: 207.14.200.145

There's only a couple more hours before the fandom top five poll ends! Vote now if you haven't already done so!

Categories for the last time include
FAVORITE WRITER
FAVORITE ARTIST
FAVORITE STORY
FAVORITE ILLUSTRATION
FAVORITE CYCLE/SERIES
FAVORITE MALE CHARACTER
FAVORITE FEMALE CHARACTER
FAVORITE VILLAIN

Multiple votes are allowed due to the totally open ballot nature of this poll, all TGS work counts, and voting ends at midnight!
Robby
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:33:06 PM
IP: spider-ta077.proxy.aol.com

**RP CONTINUING HERE**

"No!" Guod's head screams as Two-of-One is captured and Jess teleports away. "That was my last competent lieutenant!" "Don't forget me, Master!" the Borg who's now in charge of Two-of-One's legions pipes up. "I, Borg Gary Oak, am the best Pokemon trainer in the world!" He draws his Pokeballs, points them at some of the Ravens, and shouts "Rapidash, Onyx, go!" "Go, Gary! Go, Gary!" shout the Borg cheerleaders behind him. The three Pokemon Gary has summoned appear, but the Ravens ignore them. Instead Elena and Jammer massacre the cheerleaders while Boris fires a Stinger into Gary. "No!" the egotistical jerk screams as he is destroyed. Without their trainer, the two Pokemon are instantly confused and Shap and Orion easily eliminate them. "Best Pokemon trainer in the world?" Guod's head chuckles. "I rest my case!" One of his disembodied parts gestures and the remaining legions continue battling the Ravens. On the floor, Doug and Kitainia struggle to throw off the many sections of Guod that are pummeling them. "Give up!" the evil clone advises his foes. "I can not be defeated!" "So you keep saying," Doug snaps, grabbing one of Guod's legs and throwing it at the clone's head as he gets back to his feet. The leg swerves away from Guod at the last second and comes rocketing back, but Doug blasts it down with his shotgun and walks forward to face the Borg leader. Behind him, Kit continues to throw off and blow away with her laser gun Guod's other extremities. Despite their adversary's continuing taunts and laughter, it looks like the Ravens may soon win.

**RP WILL BE CAUGHT UP ON AT THE END**

Okay, at long last it's time to post. Sorry I haven't said much in a while, a lot has been going on. Hope I can quickly get caught up. :)

Fanfic Progress: As you all know, I've recently finished and posted Eruption. Thanks again to Peter for his feedback, I hope to get more from people real soon. Especially from the person who gave my story five stars (IMO, it doesn't really deserve that many, but the stars are still nice to have). I need to know what I'm doing right. :) I started Protected Species this morning, hope to have it out by early September. More is happening in this story, so it will take a little longer to write. I'm still looking for an artist to do the new character Moro for it, hope I find one soon.

**BEGIN WEEKEND MOVIE REVIEWS/SPOILERS**

Kit and I saw four movies yesterday and today, so of course it's time now to post what we thought of them. Here goes:

Iron Giant: While I wouldn't call this a classic, it was a very entertaining film. It had a good plot and characters, though I thought some of the latter could have gotten a little more development. The animation was of course excellent, the Giant looked almost real and very cool. We were glad he survived the nuke hitting him at the end of the movie, though I do hope they don't bring him back in the form of a bleah cartoon series like they have with animated movie characters before. 8/10, thumbs up.

Sixth Sense: Forget Blair Witch, everyone. That film is a pale flop when compared to this movie. Why, you ask? Well, it has characters that actually get developed throughout the story, a non-convoulted plot you can easily follow, and it's MUCH scarier too. The images and sound in the film are very well-done, and compliment the mood of it while helping to develop the characters and build suspense. I at first thought the film would be like Mercury Rising with ghosts, but it is much more than that. Bruce Willis turns in an Oscar-caliber preformance, and IMO the film had nothing unnecessary or unenjoyable. The ending was especially a surprise (no, I'm not gonna say how). Go see it! 10/10, thumbs screaming towards the stars.

Mystery Men: Saw it this afternoon. Like Mandi said, the film was much more enjoyable than we thought it would be. All the heroes were entertaining, especially the Shoveler (who had a great deadpan preformance), the Bowler, and the Blue Rajah (we liked their relationships with their respective parents too). The plot was great and easy to follow, poking fun at many comic superhero story cliches without getting too campy, convoulted, or predictable. It was helped by very well-done special effects and a script that was IMO excellent. The villains were also entertaining and IMO perfectly written (I loved the scene where the Disco gang reveals its lack of real powers and disco-related gear). There were some elements we didn't like (the end battle got a little cliched, and Invisible Boy wasn't necessary to the plot or that enjoyable), but they were few and far between. Overall we liked this movie very much, and hope everyone in here will go see it. 8/10, thumbs up.

And finally, Thomas Crown Affair: This movie had its good points. It was very entertaining to watch Crown's schemes in action, and his character overall. He had some potential to be very much like Xanatos, IMO. But other than him it was basically one big convoulted predictable yawn. The plot was too easy to follow, Rene Russo gave a good preformance but her character should have been developed more, and overall we thought there wasn't much for the regular movie-goer to like. Yeah, there was sex, but it seemed more gratuitous than necessary. So it wasn't as good as we'd hoped it be. 5/10, thumbs down.

**END MOVIE SPOILERS, ON TO REPLIES**

Kyryn, Entity: Thanks. Hope my requests get done. :)

Jackal: Like everyone else in here, I was shocked about your attempted suicide. I agree with them that it is a bad idea and am glad you did not go through with it. I can't really say anything else to you that hasn't been said, except that I hope you will soon return to us. I think we could all breathe easier if we knew you were alright.

Paul: Sent you an e-mail about Myria's Legacy, glad you got it. Thanks for offering to give me the fanfic link, I may want to do one about Taben's fate. :) If you're curious, we beat Bargon on Thursday (that was one tough battle!). Right now we're about to go after the last of Althena's heroes, hope she's not as difficult as Borgan was. And the Pentagulia portion was very entertaining. We liked seeing Jean get into a karate match, and are glad a tournament is part of Lunar 2 (one is part of most good RPGs, and since Lunar 1 had no tournament we kind of missed them :).

Avalon: So it has a volcano, huh? I had forgotten that, wonder if it's ever erupted. :) Probably not, but one can get creativity demons. See Kitainia's earlier post for the rest of the island's features in my ficverse. Once again, I'm sorry for the Vingard/Vanaheim mistake.

Welcome back TRC!

Parodies: I agree that they can often be as entertaining as the original stories on which they're based. My favorite parodies include Weird Al Yankovic's music and Mel Brooks' films.

Kaioto: Glad you and Lexy are together and happy. :) Hope you two continue to have a great time while you stay in her house.

Todd: Nice Four Horsemen creativity demon.

Lucas: I agree with Robby about Jarjar compared to Draco (the latter was a LOT more entertaining as well as real). As far as artistic visions go, I agree that Lucas has a good one, but think that Episode 1 was not a very good part of it. If Jarjar had been a more interesting (possibly tragic) character, and they had fixed a few other things about the film. maybe. As it is now, no. Hope Ep 2 is much better, and it should be if Lucas learns from his mistakes.

Christine: Read Indigo, nice job on it. I was very surprised and entertained by all the Godiva developments. The Sevarius ones were also interesting, and I loved all the very well-done Xanatos character bits. Keep up the good work!

Illuminati and Timedancer: I agree that an ep with them kidnapping Brooklyn for interrogation might be a very good idea. They wouldn't need to do it in my ficverse of course (because of Silvan), but for TGS it has great potential as a plot for next season. Hope it gets done.

SJ: Have a good time on your family vacation. <waves>

Fleur: Sounds like you had a terrible experience, sorry to hear about it. Glad you survived the wreck, and your car's still driveable. Hope the cops apprehend the guys that did that soon. $ If you want, feel free to kill them off in the RP. $

James: I think you may be mistaken about the Illuminati, man. Do we know Duval well enough yet to judge him? I don't think so. That he has a lot of intelligence and wisdom is obvious, but not all his motives are good. And how do we know the Society doesn't have a few power-hungry people in its ranks? We don't. Think about it. And please, stop insulting newcomers to the CR.

Daniel Hightower: Good points about the Illuminati, I agree that they could make for an interesting story. Oh yeah, welcome to the room.

Heather: Congrats on your recent promotion, hope you continue to have fun in ROTC.

Stephen: I agree with you about the old and new Godzillas. The old was way more entertaining of course. I used to live in Taiwan and watched his movies on the Japanese network NHK many times. I still own several on video. NHK also had Ultraman every afternoon, I enjoyed watching that even though I couldn't understand what they were saying (it wasn't dubbed). Wish they had done an Ultraman vs. Godzilla episode, that would have been neat.

Okay, that's all for now, hope to post again soon. For now I'll sign off since I'm really tired (was up late last night playing AD&D with the other Ravens). Later.

**RESUME THE RP**

By now having finished off the last of the legions, Jake and the other Ravens in the control room rush to Kitainia's aid. Soon every one of Guod's body parts except for his head and hands has been destroyed, and Shauna and Orion are helping Kit get up. "Die!" Guod screams at the Ravens, forcing them away from him by flailing with his disembodied fists. "Hey Guod!" Doug shouts as he dodges one of them. "Take this!" He fires his shotgun into the evil clone's face, causing Guod to scream and momentarily lose control of his remaining extremities. Elena quickly incinerates both hands with a liberation beam. "Ha ha, Guod," Jammer chuckles. "Now you're just a little wimpy head. How are you gonna defeat us like that?" "Shut up!" Guod's head warns, popping three small crawler legs out of its neck and standing on them. "I can still kill all of you!" With that, he jumps on top of the main control panel and uses one of his legs to push a few buttons. "Thank you for pressing the self-destruct mechanism," the computer's voice intones. "This ship will self-destruct in three minutes." "I may not be able to assimilate the planet now, Ravens," Guod chuckles, "but I will have another chance. For now, I can at least finish you. Perish with my Devastator." He pops a rocket booster out of his neck a la Coyote's head and takes off through a hole in the ship's ceiling. Doug activates his hover belt and chases after his clone, and Kitainia climbs the wall and takes off to glide after him. The other Ravens move to follow, but Shauna throws up a hand to stop them. "Guys, we can't fly!" she shouts. "Besides, didn't you hear the computer? We need to get out of here!" They all nod in agreement and then rush out of the control room for the nearest ship exit. All the way, the computer is counting down the time to self-destruct.

**TO BE CONTINUED, END THIS BIT OF RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:32:47 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-242.dlls.grid.net

Christine> Thanks for the info! I look forward to the update... every state I visit I check up for the comics, and no one has them!

Wilek> Oh. I hope she's back soon.

Xanathar> 23? *drooooool* Care to reveal your picture? ;)

Robby> Chilli Vanilli???? HHHAAAAAHHHHHAAAA!!!!!! I can see it now... my home town (good old Carrollton) proudly saying that Chilli Vanilli grew up here!

Warpmind> Hey hey, cute looking pic on that site ;)

Man, I'm doing a lot of winking today! Must've been that dunk in the pool!
SOROW
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:18:47 PM
IP: usr11-dialup214.mix1.irving.cw.net

Warpmind: STOP YELLING AT ME! I haven't even been able to get anywhere near the computer since last night. First, see, I was doing this little thing called "sleeping," and I've been at work for the past eight hours! I was just checking the room before dinner. I'll email you the descriptions later tonight.
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:04:47 PM
IP: wire-15.koalas.com

Got Oberon problems, the answer is simple. Bind him in iron, the more the better. Prepare a Saturn 5 rocket for launch, toss the bound Oberon into the space capsule, also lined with iron, and launch tje thing into a trajectory that takes it out of the solor system. No more Oberon problems.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 08:13:35 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp78.fltg.net

Gargs toys> Click my name. I don't know who did this or how it was done, but it's about a zillion times better than Kenner's atrocious No-neck Brooklyn.

Warpmind> $<<Oh, and y'all participants in the Hunt: You want yer e-mail adresses there, or not? Let me know.>> I'd rather not, thanks. Oh, and the site is intensely kewl, especially the cast descriptions! ^_^$

Real post (with an orgy of violence directed at Mr. Disconnect and others) later.
Wilek
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:54:46 PM
IP: tnt-3-119-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

**** BEGIN RP! ****

[In the middle of the Devastator's control room, the scene opens on the clash of Jessesondra and Two-of-One, as they battle amid the crash of energy and metal...]

Snarling, the female Borg launches one set of assimilation tentacles after another at her sister, only to see them turned back again and again by some rippling energy field. She gets a flash of recognition, remembering the same field that protected Big Jake and Travler from her first encounter.

"That shield! No energy form is immune to our assimilation probes!"

Jess grins. "Gravametric Shields! A little something I whipped up after you were lost to me, sister!"

"GrrraaaH! Don't CALL me that!" the Borg howls. "I serve Master Guod! I serve the Collective!"

"Well, serve me a hamburger!" Jess snaps, cutting loose with a blast of hot, white light. The shot misses, cutting down a stray Drone behind them.

**** PAUSE RP ****

COYOTE & ALL CONCERNED - Nothing is wrong with me, Big Bud! Just a chronic case of exhaustion from not having worked 8 hour shifts before! And Thursday nights at Ron's are a big to-do, since a lot of classic car enthusiasts come around to show off their restored rigs. :) In short, those nights get BIG food orders! I've never seen so many burgers, chicken, fries, and other edibles go out so fast!

So, I'm still alive and healthy. I just needed a night or two of sleep to recover.

CHRISTINE - I just wish I could show off those cross-overs to publishers, so I could get some book contracts! :) Seriously though, I learned from when I started writing fanfic that if I wanted to do crossovers, I had to have three things in mind:

1) Be a fan of both universes/shows/etc.
2) Have near-omniscense(?) & knowledge of all the characters (i.e. how the talk, act/react, etc.)
3) Have a PLAUSIBLE means/plot to bring the two together!

In my opinion, "Planet X"'s writer failed on all three precepts.

And BTW, thanks again for the vote of support, Christine! :) A little boost like that makes my day!

COMMENT ON THE G-MAN - I too grew up watching all of those old "Rubber Monster" Movies: Godzilla, Ghidora, The Flying, Fire-breathing Turtle (I forget his name), and shows like Ultraman and Battle of the Space Giants. In fact, one of my all-time favorite Godzilla movies is "Goldzilla vs. Megalon", which co-stared Jet-Jaguar. (BTW, MST3k did a viewing of this movie, doing a little spoof bit with the lead Japanese actor from the movie, renaming him "Rex Dart: Eskimo Spy!").

But, as far as the modern Godzilla goes, it was both good and bad. For one, it did have some of the pacing of the old movies (where you didn't see the monster until half of the movie had gone by), and I still thing the SFX for the new monster were okay (nothing beats the classic though!). The only bad parts I thought were the dozens of little 'Zilla's (screams of JP Raptors there!), and the way they finially killed the monster at the end. I mean come ON! He takes heavy caliber chain-gun rounds from Apaches, torpedoes from subs, but what kills him in the end is a few Sidewinders from some aircraft?!? The Old Godzilla could swat down those jets and take all of their missiles and cannon fire without any trouble! :/ Ah, well, overall it was a good 1 popcorn movie.

Well, that's all from me for now... and so...

**** BACK TO THE RP! ****

The battle rages on between the two sisters, but Jessesandra has the upper hand, thanks to her GM-Shielding. Two-of-One does get in some shots, mostly the blasts from her weapons create shockwaves that knock Jess off her feet, but slowly the female drone is weakening.

"Had enough, Elessandra?" the silver-haired woman taunts, readying another spell-blast.

Two-of-One goes blaslitic. "NEVER CALL ME THAT!!! THAT NAME MEANS NOTHING! YOU MEAN NOTHING TO ME!!" She triggers another shot, but Jess dodges the bullet in time.

"Then, there's no hope for you," Jess mutters. Shouting out, she gets Big Jake's attention. "JAKE! Toss me that special gaget I've been saving!"

The big man pauses in the middle of helping Doug and the Ravens battle with Guod, before reaching down to pull a round object from Sara Jane's saddlebag. "Here you go, Jess!" Tossing the object to her, he turns to add his firepower to that of the Ravens.

Neatly catching the object, Jess tries once more to reason with Two-of-One. "Last chance for redemption on your own, sister."

Panting and sparking, Two-of-One sneers, "I'd rather be killed!"

"Not an option!" Jess barks, raising her hand to fire off one more blast of power. The shot strikes the female drone dead-center, throwing her back several feet. Before it can recover, Jess winds up her throwing arm, and let's the object fly.

"POKE'Ball... GO!!!"

The special capture ball--colored blue and white instead of red and white--soars over to the downed Borg, spliting open to bathe her in a wash of red light. With a scream, Two-of-One is sucked into the Poke'Ball, which bounces along the deck, back towards Jessesandra like a yo-yo on a string.

Recovering it, Jess watches as the monitor lens flashes in time to the violent rocking inside... until at last, the lens turns from red to green.

"Got her!" Jess says, a note of finality in her voice. She then makes a waving motion over her head, as one of her teleport spells wraps around her.

Across the way, as Doug and the Ravens are watching the Demise of the Borg Justice System, Jake turns in time to see Jess make her disappearance. He blinks, but smiles inwardly.

[Scene closes with Jake, still astride Sara Jane, looking at the spot where the battle took place...]

**** END RP (FOR NOW) ****

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:35:37 PM
IP: m20.ieway.com

AIRWALKER - I just saw that site, and I've got to agree with you; good thing that they rejected Devlin's script. Had almost nothing to do with the series, other than Goliath being in it. (The army of zombies and evil spirits that Goliath has to face in the end might not be such a bad idea in itself, but definitely give Goliath more reason to oppose them than just people out celebrating in Times Square!)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, August 7, 1999 06:41:18 PM
IP: 205-242-93-72.dialup-stl.primary.net

Warpmind>Love 'Joyride of Blood'! Very ass kicking! When you're done with the Backstreeet Boys and Hanson, could you go after my sister? >:)
Mary Flanders
Saturday, August 7, 1999 06:31:54 PM
IP: ramp-1-1.ucdavis.edu

Okay, the Joyride page is as complete as I can make it at this time. Click my name. Oh, and Pistoff: GET ME THOS DESCRIPTIONS!!!

Oh, and y'all participants in the Hunt: You want yer e-mail adresses there, or not? Let me know.

As for now: click my name to enter the Joyride of Blood!
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 05:49:00 PM
IP: mp-217-226-206.daxnet.no

VISIT STATION 8!

VISIT STATION 8!



TRAVELER, SPACEBABIE - Dean Devlin is no longer working on the Gargoyles Movie. Originally he did submit a script that has been mentioned here and is up at a Coming Attractions Website, but it was rejected.

I'm not suprised since if you read the synopsis of what he wrote, it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to anything we've ever seen in the series. In fact the only connection is the word Gargoyles in the title. That's it.


TIM P - I would have liked to set the movie somewhere along the line in Gargoyles continuity but for a first movie of a property that doesn't have that much exposure among the general public, it's probably best to start at the very beginning. Whatever makes it to the screen is going to end up being an AWAKENINGS redo of some sort.

I hope that what they do run's as close as possible to the original continuity that we have seen, with perhaps more examination of Human/Gargoyle relations in 994 to give more understanding to Demona's betrayal as well as more examination of the clan's exploration of the new world they end up in when they wake up as well as a little more exploration of the Goliath/Elisa relationship than could have been done in the original version as well.

Everything that is necessary to tell an origin story is already there. All that a new movie script has to do is expand on the original in some places, add some more information and a few more scenes for better flow and maybe add or change some dialogue here and there. And even that's really unnecessary since the original version was done well enough the first time. The only reason to put any changes in to begin with is just for the sake of making a live action movie a little different from what's already been done.

(I really hope that whoever is working on this new script at least has taken the time to watch AWAKENINGS 1-5 if not the whole of the first season. It wouldn't take that much time and would help any writer greatly.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:54:57 PM
IP: 104.new-york-33-34rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

*Bronx comes out from two weeks of lurking in the CR*

Okay, just a short post, in responce of the Gargoyles movie:

Recently as some of you know I went out to California. A member of my family works for Disney writing scripd for them. Anyway, (Not to sound like I'm boasting) I got the chance to read potential movies... and some of them were pretty good. Now, Onto the news about the Gargoyles movie. I asked about how it was going so far, and the answer was that there plans are coming together and hopefully a script will evolve when everyone gets their act together.
That's my news! Straight from at least one good source..

Green Baron> Hey! I'm sorry that I signed off so quickly the other day. AOL has not been so kind to me in the past few days! Anyway I hope to talk to you soon again :)

That's all for now! cya.

"Twidle blane and Twidle brain? If it's all the same I'll play your game!"


Bronx Wyvern - [bronx4me@aol.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:52:39 PM
IP: spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com

Traveler (No relation to the Traveler who posts in grey I take it?)- How can you judge Godzilla to be a "crappy movie" if you never have and never will see it? Thats like judging Iron Giant or Last Action Hero by the previews. The previews and reviews for both movie were terrible, but the movies were great. And I rather liked Godzilla myself.

As far as Taco Bell Gargoyles, that would be absolutley friggin' great! If the gargs were in a single taco bell commercial with the Chiwawa, they would get more coverage and commercial time than they ever did with Disney's commericials! And more people would pay attention too!
Robby
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:32:00 PM
IP: spider-ti043.proxy.aol.com

I grew up with Godzilla and Devlin ruined it for me bymaking a crappy movie , one that I have never and will never see. And now he's going to ruin gargoyles by making a movie of it. This is insane. What's next taco bell gargoyles?
There can be only one traveler.
traveler - [goliath01]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, August 7, 1999 03:35:44 PM
IP: proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net

Mary> Oops. Here's the EM. Sorry 'bout that. It's funny... we're both currently working on a fanfic entitled "New Blood" that's driving us both nuts (although mine's a Buffy fic, but it's still funny.)

BTW, anyone else have a little trouble loading the GFW fic archive? That is, the computer takes forever to load the table? My PC's two years old now, but it's not quite obsolete... just wondering.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 03:16:18 PM
IP: pm3-3-ppp21.iximd.com

Spacebabie> <br>Does anyone here like Anime also? - Yes. I'm a big fan. Do you do fansubs, or stick with domestic releases?
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:30:16 PM
IP: pppa41-fortworthc9-4r5191.saturn.bbn.com

Devlin's making the movie???After he messed up Godzilla?!?!? Scheaaa you know what? UH UH! sorry but I have principals. I do have a question. why isnt there an image of Fox in the images? She is an important character to the sereis. I'm <br>A lot of other Sci-fi fans here. Thats cool
<br>Does anyone here like Anime also?
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:22:00 PM
IP: ts003d36.orl-fl.concentric.net

are=as (kicks typo demon)
James Birdsong
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:15:52 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

I agree with SJ . The gargoyles movie should be animated , but it should be more graphic . I hope that it gets at least a PG-13 rating. I would like for it to take place after "the journey " episode, and for Greg Weisman to be at least a producer for the film . He created the series , gave it life, he should help in some way.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:12:42 PM
IP: proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net

Xanathar and Aaron > hate to expose my ignorance (or maybe it's lack-of-sleep brain melt), but who's SPG?

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:21:45 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

MST3K Finale> Yeah, it's a sad state of affairs to know the show is going for good...and so many bad flicks that they haven't touched yet.

Well, I've found at least one group of mystie fans that's keeping the show alive by doing their own versions of the show. They have put out two tapes already, lambasting Star Trek 5 in their first one and Highlander 2 in the second. You can only find them through some of those convention video dealers, but both movies were in need of this...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:19:01 PM
IP: uv1-53.ultravision.net

**a flight of ROTC cadets marches into the CR. One of the cadets with a blue wrap around his left shoulder starts chanting "Left, left, left, right, left..." then he turns his head to the group of new cadets. "Flight, hault." The group stops but one short girl is alittle off step.
The male cadet does an about face and is looking at the cadets. "Flight, parade rest." The whole group puts their hand together (right thumb over left) and puts their hands below the butt with their feet about 45 degrees apart. The short girl cadet smiles slightly and looks at the others in the CR**
Sorry I haven't been posting lately, my ROTC classes were taking up my time. As you can tell I'm known as Cadet Airman (I was promoted Thursday!) Heather Haskett. **is still talking but with her eyes looking ahead.** Anyway, Happy Birthday Robby. **smiles slightly** You should be getting your package any day soon.
**looks ahead and sighs slightly. The male cadet (Known as Cadet Senior Master Sergeant Jeff Prater, cutie. But he's a junior.) yells. "Flight, Black Knights dismiss." The flight takes a step back and does an about face with their right arm in the air yelling "Knights!"

****BYE***
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:21:02 PM
IP: abd2bf8f.ipt.aol.com

Mandolin>Like I said before, I need your EM Addy so I can send it to you. I don't know when I'll be putting up the teaser on the Net.
Mary Flanders
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:10:00 PM
IP: ramp-1-29.ucdavis.edu

Gargoyles Movie: You all probably know how I feel about this film regarding to direction and production, but I'd like to ut up my 2 cents cents about the writing.

I wouldn't mind the film taking up where TGC left off for the sake of continuity, but I'd rather see it take up after "The Journey." I'm currently working on a screenplay style fan-fiction series that I'm hoping that will lead me to create a couple of screenplays that I could submit to Touchtone Pictures. It's unlikely, I know, but it's got to be better than that god forsaken script by Dean Devlin.

MY SCRIPT IDEAS

The first one is an adapted screenplay (like Terrence Malick's "Thin Red Line"), based largely on Reeve's script, only it expands what happened to Demona in those 1000 years of lonliness. It would be good for introducing Gargoyles to the general public (which the studios would like), but doesn't do anything to advance the TV show. Rating: Moderate violence and possible drug use(it involves Brookyn's dicovery of underground altnernative dance clubs ;), PG-13.

The second one I've been been thinking of is an original screenplay that takes up after "The Journey." It will prabably be a rehash of the BioHazard screenplay I've been working on. Contempory but brutal. If I ever get the friggin' thing done that is. One problem is that the general audience will probably be very unfamiliar with the gargoyles. This can be overcome by introducing a couple of new characters with fairly important roles in the film. That way, as the new characters become familier to the clan, so does the audience. This version would also expand onto the TV series, so that it would be more popular to the fans. Rating: Grab your rubber gloves, this one's gonna get messy. It's like STAR WARS meets X-FILES meets FULL METAL JACKET. Most likely edited to a PG-13. If I directed; R.
Tim P.
Saturday, August 7, 1999 11:38:32 AM
IP: s23-onawa.pionet.net

Dags> Ouch, people are idiots... unfortunately, my mother did something similar. She offered to take back the video I rented from Blockbuster on time, and she did - to the Blockbuster on the wrong side of town. I found out about it three days later, and didn't have to pay the fine once it was straightened out. I did phone the Blockbuster across town to verify that they had it, and since it was a Blockbuster, and they had it on record, everything was okay. But what kind of moron returns a movie to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT video store chain? Glad that dumbass didn't get away with it. :)

Mary> **uses the "find" button to find the first post regarding your fics** This is what I get for trying to play catchup. I'd like to see that teaser too.

**REVIEW OF "MYSTERY MEN" FOLLOWS - SPOILERS!**

I was sort of afraid that this film would get a little too dumb going into it. Great cast, pretty wacky premise, lots of special effects - well, that usually has potential for stupidity as well as a good comedy. Fortunately, those fears weren't realized. Even Paul Reubens as the Spleen was funnier than I expected, since jokes about flatulence tend to get old for me (anyone else think he sounded a lot like Shelly the evil babysitter from South Park?) The entire ensemble cast managed to be pretty hysterical without overshadowing the others. Kel Mitchell was all right as the Invisible Boy, Ben Stiller was pretty funny (and got better as the movie went along), and only William H. Macy could have delivered those lines so perfectly deadpan. Janeane Garofalo and Hank Azaria were the best, IMO, just because of dealing with their respective parents - dead or otherwise. This was one of those movies that benefited from cheesiness, although it wasn't entirely predictable; as smarmy as Greg Kinnear played him, I was surprised at what happened to Captain Amazing. I didn't think the writers had the guts to do that. :)

**END REVIEW!**

Okay, have to free up the phone line.
Mandolin
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:30:17 AM
IP: pm3-1-ppp23.iximd.com

SEVARIUS JR - You wrote: [Actually, Vertigo is starting to scare me. Lately, they've been placing some restrictions upon some of their artists. Recently, Warren Ellis left Hellblazer because of this, and because DC butchered a story he did for the series called "Shoot" about violence in schools (it was written before Columbine).]

I heard about that. As usual the problem wasn't with DC/Vertigo editorial, it came from higher up at the executive level. According to Warren Ellis, Veritgo editorial stood by him completely on the matter and the book got pulled by a higher authority.

Whenever I hear about something like this, it just makes me hate executives more and more. Can't they understand that people are able to distinguish the difference between real life and a story that is based on real life situations? Do they really think that people are that dumb that they need to be protected from any sort of story that has similarities to real life? Most of us can think for ourselves and don't need some executive to do it for us.

You wrote: [I don't really have any hope of this movie ever airing. It's been at least a couple years since TGC was
canceled, and to be honest, the target audience (i.e. kids) has one heck of a high rate of return. The brutal truth is that today's youngsters may have begun to forget about our beloved clan, choosing to worship at the altar of Pokemon and other shows.]

Kids are a fickle audience. They'll return to anything that seems interesting no matter how much time has passed. Transformers went off the air in the 80's and still has an audience now. Voltron disappeared for 15 years and now has an audience again. I'm sure that in the wake of the new Inspector Gadget movie that there is going to be a new Inspector Gadget cartoon that will draw in an audience. Gargoyles has been gone for 3 years and is still being shown on a disney channel. It has a much better chance than any of those shows to come back if a movie is made. At the very least a movie should open up the option of another format for the story like comics or novels which while not as good as being on television, is definetly better than nothing.

The only thing that has to be done is to market it correctly. Instead of aiming this Gargoyles movie at younger audiences, aim it at teenagers and young adults, the audience that would appreciate the type of show that Gargoyles was when it was on television. That's the problem, Disney seems to only want to aim at young audiences, and that makes them neglect other older targets.

(As for Pokemon I have to say that when I first heard about it, I refused to watch. But it gets so much coverage on the WB that I couldn't escape it. At the end of everything, while there is zero plot and it's best for a really young audience to watch, I have to admit that most of those Pokemon are pretty cute and if you have absolutely nothing better to do, it's not bad fluff to spend a few minutes on.)

I do wish that they would get the movie done. But they seem to be constantly working on the script from all the information that we have got. I would rather that they take their time and come up with a good script rather than just put anything out so that they can have the movie come out faster. I rather have quality over speed. This is the gamble on which the possible immediate ressurection of the show rests on. (If the movie doesn't come out or doesn't do well, then it's possible Gargoyles could go the way of Voltron and take 15 or so years to come back to the air.)


JEB - You wrote: [*I* wrote that, he was referencing that, thank you. ;P]

Sorry. I saw Xanathar write something on that and since this room is usually so huge, I don't have the time to go back and check who was originally asking the question.

You wrote: [(How about an exploding Coyote? Wouldn't that be fun? :D)]

Actually rather than an exploding Cyoti, how about one that comes packaged with it's own steel beam? (Hey Kids! Now you can be just like Goliath and ram a steel beam right through any version of Cyoti that you like! Don't like Cyoti 2.0? NO problem! Stick a steel beam into him and watch him immediately fall apart!)


ENTITY - You wrote: [Well, first of all the animation in "Awakenings", while good, is nowhere near the high-budgeted quality of a Disney feature film, which audiences would expect.]

Disney would never market any Gargoyles animated film under the name Disney. So the public wouldn't be looking so much for Disney style since they wouldn't exactly see Disney in big letters. It wouldn't be DISNEY'S GARGOYLES like it was DISNEY'S HERCULES or DISNEY'S THE LION KING, it would just be GARGOYLES.

Anyway, Gargoyles could never have the same style as any Disney movie since all of those movies are usually these light happy things that have bright colors and take place in daylight. Gargoyles by the very nature of it's characters can only take place at night and sets the whole tone for the movie. It could never be anything like Disney movies.

You wrote: [Secondly, "Awakenings" is a set-the-stage story, not explosive enough to hold its own as a theatrical release. It would need to be totally revamped. Disney would rather dumb it down, make it funnier, make it faster, and make it more eye-boggling. Can you really blame them that much, though?]

It doesn't have to be changed that much. Some extra footage here and there could be added to make the breaks between episodes flow better and perhaps add some character moments here and there but it starts off, tells a story, and gives an ending that demands that there be further exploration but can be left where it is in a movie. It's always going to be darker than traditional Disney and they can't do anything about it without changing the name of the show from GARGOYLES to DUCK TALES.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:24:50 AM
IP: 205.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

A heartfelt greeting to all noble, fine inhabitants of the CR!

I am now almost done with the Joyride site, all that I lack is the casting page; I am also foreseeing the need to update frequently :( However, if you click my name, you will be taken directly to what I have there presently. Oh, and Pistoff: Hurry up with that description of yourself, Jack and Cthulhu!
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:35:32 AM
IP: mp-217-228-121.daxnet.no

Avalon Sucession> If Oberon dies I hope Danu appoints Anubis the new king. He's so serious unlike the prankster fey and he like her respects the other two races are more then animals or pets ?:-)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:33:19 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

Wilek>Actually, I haven't placed it on the Net yet. I don't plan to until I finish writing my sequel to 'New Blood' (though the very idea of trying to work on that damn thing makes me want to bang my head against a wall). If you want to read it, just tell me your EM Addy and I'll send it to you. :)

Robby>You have summer reading? All I read all summer is either a history book for summer school or Gargs fanfics. :)
Mary Flanders
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:10:21 AM
IP: ramp-1-17.ucdavis.edu

I also got something to add about Oberon:
Most folks in here cursed im an A$$-hole, and they were definitely right, but he doesn't seem to be a greater A$$-hole than the average fay.
It was criticesed he didn't offer any real help...Titania also didn't, she just cared for those who might offer a better protection for Alex, but she didn't seem to waste a thougt about all the other victims. Why, after all, they were just mortals, and she still considers them inferior creatures, toys worth to die for a second a elfish amusement. Oberon didn't have any realives that would need protection, otherwise he would have granted the same help as Titania. Titania even risked that her daughters child would be taken away from his parents, just to awaken his powers (it could have failed, it seems she just wanted to show off with Alex 'Ah, look a that, it's MY grandson, how clever he is, what a good magic user he is...there are lots of parents treating their kids that way, seeing them as a mere investment and perstige object than living beeings). Her attitude towards mortals was even for Oberon a reason to banish her, unlike Titania, at least he doen't want to interfere with mortal business (he just breaks his word whenever it is more convinient, though).
And, unlike Titanie who just stands in the back manipulating and lying, he still got as much honor to face the consequneces of his own actions. (If Titania would have fought the duell on Avalon against the three Gargoyles, she would have certainly, after beeing defeated, put all the blame on the weird sisiter for they tricked her into that fight), but (after the the begging for mercy, what probably everyone would have done in this situation), Oberon could face his defeat. Every good villain faces the consequences of his actions (for example Darth Vader, THE Archvillain)
So, if there is a fay to be looked down at, whose character seems unworthy without any moral standards, it is probably Titania, she just manipulates the situation that in the end, she doesn't appear as the villain she is.
By moral standars, she seems to deserve death more than Oberon, but considering the Gargoyles universe, there aren't so many 'good' villains, so that she probably shpuldn't be killed (though it would probably make the world a better place).
Michael Heitz - [michael_heitz@bluewin.de]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 08:55:52 AM
IP: stu1id1a.ip.tesion.net

TO THE JOYRIDE SQUAD:
It seems I don't need you to send me any Joyride posts after all, I managed to get everything so far, and I've stashed it into one single text file. Now, all I gotta do is proofread and rewrite it slightly, so that we get something more fluent out of it. Bear in mind that I intend no alterations of neither dialogue nor events, merely layout.

Still waiting for your description, Pistoff.

Until later, gotta keep working on the Joyride page.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 08:29:06 AM
IP: mp-217-238-192.daxnet.no

COMICS - I'm afraid that I don't know enough about the comics industry to be able to give a worthwhile comment on what would be the best route from the economic perspective, but I do see "Gargoyles" as more suited for a graphic novel from the point of view of its style. (I was watching my tape of "Avalon Part Two" that night, and that was definitely the tone that I got from it).

SUCCESSION TO AVALON - Could Titania actually succeed Oberon? I mean, she's only part of the Royal Family by marriage. After all, when, to give an example, Henry VIII died, Catherine Parr (his sixth wife and the one that survived him) didn't become the new ruler of England. Alex would have to be ruled out similarly as only descended from Titania, not from Oberon.

But of course, at present, it's a moot point. (My own uneasy feeling though is that if Oberon were to die, Avalon would be torn asunder by ambitious faerie nobles all contending for the throne, just like what happened in Britain between Uther Pendragon's death and Arthur becoming King via the Sword in the Stone).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:39:06 AM
IP: 205-242-191-124.dialup-stl.primary.net

Hi y'all.

Xanathar: I've been where you were last night. During my first year in a dorm (small building, four students and a Senior Citizen lived there), there was a near-constant state of Party in the apartment just below mine. At the hours between midnight and three AM, the music of choice could be heard about three clicks away, due to a decibel around 90. Me? I usually went to bed around 11PM, and slept through the whole thing. I awoke only once at night that year, namely when someone managed to pick the lock to my room. I sensed someone invading my private space, awoke, and went pure bugshit. Berserk doesn't cover the state of mind I was in then. Fortunately, I didn't hurt the bastard... much beyond the injuries he gained when flipping over the railing at the stairs. Please note that not only did he survive without lasting damages, he also is one of the people on this planet who fear me the most :) Anyway, as I said, Xanathar, I'll bet we're much alike there; we can sleep through anything, as long as nobody invades our private airspace...

Well, anough of true stories for now... maybe even a Joyride later, when I've managed to collect more in sequence. AND written something on the cast.

Later, dudes.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:13:07 AM
IP: mp-217-229-122.daxnet.no

Hi all!

Thank you to everybody who wished me a happy birthday and thanks for the kisses SOROW:) 23 years old,I don't know weather to be happy or depressed.

Coyote:Presses the remote and a chocolate cake appears,Thanks Coyote:)

Happy Birthday Lady Ariana!

Interesting story,last night police were outside of my house with tracking dogs looking for a burgular in the neighborhood and they found him in my backyard, they set the dogs on him and then beat him up and finally carted him off,the worst thing about this is that I SLEPT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING!!
I'm not making any of this up it happened.

Wilek:I'd like to order a Sly Sludge death,he got to me the other day(my life seems to be interesting lately)

Warpmind:I'll get my stats over to you ASAP BTW Loved what you've done with the Joyride site so far,that musics good in a happy sadistic way>:)

Aaron:We'd gottent the similarities up to the fact that they were both cranky, indestructable redheads with metal things on their forheads. Then whoever it was said something about comparing Jerico and SPG, but since I hadn't read Christine's fics yet, I didn't get it.*LOL* and from what I've heard of Christine's fics the comparison between Jerico and SPG is pretty accurate;)

Airwalker:I'd choose either the monthly magazine or the trade paperback.

Spacebabie:Welcome!

SJ:See you when you get back.

**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**

Having just left the ticket booth the Joyriders make their way into the concert itself,when they get there they are confronted with at least a thousand jock's,airheads and other assorted wastes of oxygen of various descriptions partying down to the music of Hanson and the Backstreet Boys.

The music suddenly stops as the teen singers notice the motley crew at the back of the crowd "What are you freak's doin' here?"said one of the Backstreet Boys as all the eyes in the concert hall focused on the Joyriders.

"We've come to settle a score"said Xanathar pulling his twin-bladed chainsaw out of it's shoulder holster.

"And have fun doin' it" said Wilek pulling out a massive gun.

Panic ensues in the crowd as The Joyriders charge into them

THIS IS GOING TO GET BLOODY>:)

**To be Continued**

C'yas'later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Saturday, August 7, 1999 06:32:10 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

*Dances in, totally ot of rythm.*
Hi everyone. For the Joyride passengers, I'd just like to say: Glad to see such enthusiasm. I'm already done with the Background page, clickie clickie, and some of the imagery. Wilek, with your permission, I'll use the picture you mentioned of you and Miriam for the character description page. Oh, and Pistoff and Xanathar, please, send a picture of Cthulhu as well ;)

And finally, Wilek: I'm sorry about your allergy, bit I *did* leave the window open :)

Okay, gotta try to catch up with the lates Joyride installments...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:34:22 AM
IP: mp-217-229-122.daxnet.no

Scary thought- Vanilla Ice stages a full scale comeback as "Chilli Vanilli"...

Ooh, strange creativity demon. Go away! **Sigh** Suppose that happens when one spends an HOUR making a post and hits the submit button only to just then be kicked off AOL! I'd give DC a fitting death, but I haven't the time...

Entertainment news! Hey, SJ can't be the only one who does this... Basically it seems the Matrix was originally planned to be a trilogy, and parts 2 and 3 are going to be filmed simuntaneously with what remained of the original cast, and then the movies will come out a couple of months within each other... Spiffy... I think...

Gargs toys- No-neck Brooklyn... **Shudder** At least the first generation Mighty Ducks figures were good...

TGS eps- If things go according to schedual, Dark Ages season 2 will likely start in September. (The deadline I have for art for the first story is August 18th, so if that's any indication...)

Garg comic- I'd love for Archie to get their hands on it and turn it over to the guys who did Ninja Turtles. Those people did great stories, with characters who had personality, setting, heroes and villains, romance, epic scale and small scale stories, world travel, a bit of subtle edutainment, and great art... What I would give for that comic to come back with its old team... (With Greg doing the head writing of course.) In otherwords, motnhly comic of 32 pages for the current Archie rate of 1.79 with TPB every now and again would be wonderful.

Mary Flanders- I'm interested, but I'm a bit busy at the moment. Between TGS work and last minute summer reading...

SJ- Brooklyn having a crush on Demona pre-Temptation? Hmm... Considering Christine's take on that episode...

Jeb- Thanks. It may go better in a post birthday party this weekend with a couple of buddies and a movie...

David G- If you cut Episode One's special effects back to the original and say it was the first movie... There NEVER would have been a second. Jar Jar would have been even more horrifying without the original movies to safeguard against it, and the ENTIRE plot about Anakin becomign a Jedi would lose a lot since at the time we wouldn't know about Vader. Add the lack of villains and this movie has nothing going for it other than name.

MST3K finale? I know where I'll be Sunday...

Gee, my original post was much longer and had more to say. Oh well... **Gives DC the evil eye.**
Robby
Saturday, August 7, 1999 03:08:54 AM
IP: spider-wm013.proxy.aol.com

The sow's demise? The SOW'S demise??!?!?!? AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! #$@#^$@$#*&^!!!! That's supposed to be "the SHOW'S demise"! **bangs head on desk, passes out, but somehow manages to click "submit" anyway....*
Pissy
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:56:37 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com

SJ: My condolences on your upcoming family bonding. We're hoping you can make it through with a minimum of psychological damage. And I agree about MST3K: It just wasn't the same after Joel, Dr. Forrester and Frank left. Still, I'll be sad to see it go. The sow's demise is premature, to put it mildly. There are soooo many crappy movies that need to be verbally bludgeoned! And there always will be more. Because of this, MST3K should've gone on forever. And your scenario about what might happen if I read Planet X was pretty accurate :) except that I wouldn't kill the publisher immediately. I'd punish him first. And if you remember some of the punishment suggestions I threw in here a while back, you'll know it'll be a beautiful thing to behold. :D

Gargoyles movie: Well, this should absolutely be an animated movie, but it doesn't necessarily need to be geared toward kids. The TV series had a lot of complex, sophisticated content, and that's what drew us all to it. If Disney would just grow a set of balls and make it an adult-geared movie, with a rating of at least PG-13, and if it had a decent script that didn't have any of the airheaded kiddie-oriented lines of dialogue...but that's probably wishful thinking. :(

Dags: Well, the latest G2K story is in production as we speak. We're somewhere around page 60, by now. It looks like it's gonna be another long one. I'd give you an estimate on when it'll be finished, but every time I did that for the last one, we always missed the deadline. So all I can really say with any degree of accuracy is...soon. :) And as for your work rant, I share your pain, bud. I'd like to find out where all these dip$h!ts come from, so I can send 'em back....

Wilek: I agree about the Jar Jar thing. If they had played him as a tragic character, he could still have been goofy, but maybe the silliness could've been his attempt to hide from his own inner pain. And if you'd like more info on Dr. Hu, he appears in my story, "The Far End of the Dark Side." Just picture this one--Brooklyn delivering pizzas...with Jack Hammer!! <eg> :) The stuff Dr. Hu builds is mostly black-market items, custom jobs and so on. His rates are pretty reasonable, and he doesn't ask questions. :P And...hmm...cereal bowl, eh? <g> Yummy!

Gargoyles toys: I remember seeing some sort of "assault glider" or something like that...and the picture on the box showed Goliath riding it! When the hell did he ever ride some kind of Blade Runner flying bike?!?! Those toy manufacturers had their heads lodged in their colons.
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:54:29 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com

Wilek> Thanx a ton for the link. I had never been by that movie page before. I usually adhere to Dark Horizons or the IMDb. It was refreshing to see so much coverage on GARGOYLES. Very reassuring. Somehow, even if the movie's in Development Hell, seeing some news on it at a real movie site is very comforting, as if it confirms the reality of it. Unfortunately, the experuence was not all fun.

***WARNING: RANT***

I read the summary for Devlin's script, and I am at a loss for words... How do you describe something so horrific.... so unbelievable.... so pathetic.... so terrifying.... If the script had been of any other run-of-the-mill movie I'd just have a bad taste in my mouth, but this is GARGOYLES. Devlin took our show and mutilated it into the likeness of regurgitated CRAP. He is EVIL. I HATE HIM. I never liked any of his and Emmerich's movies much anyway, but now... he's hit close to home.

Rejected or not, he PROPOSED that sick, putrid script. He told us that he had seen the series, that he thought it was good, that he hoped that we'd like his adaptation.... all this while writing (oh, do I romanticize the process by calling it THAT?) that hellish garbage. How can he SLEEP at night?!

The only explanation can be that GARGOYLES was Devlin's first victim (dare I say first?) in his pact with Satan.

I hope to God that Greg and Reeves would've jumped ship the instant that thing hit the table. I certainly wouldn't want anything validating that it is linked to our show.

***END RANT***

Sorry all, I had to vent.

Hmmm....seems there were other things I planned on addressing, but thanx to THAT my thoughts have scattered...
Entity
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:34:50 AM
IP: ely-oh4-02.ix.netcom.com

Picture tonight in honor of an absent friend, and because I'm feeling slightly maudalin (which doesn't look like it's spelled right)

Barely able to get online at all tonight. Very frustrating. Should write in complete sentences. OK, enough of that. Here's something different:

Delphi> If they're my creativity demons, I need them back. I'm kind of hung up here. The ones I have left are evil. They gave me this great idea for a completely different episode 3 of Freelance when the current version was almost half finished. (Actually, Denis helped, by trying to fix up James and Glorianna...)

I'm waiting to see the rest of your story. You've got me curious, which is a good sign.

Fleur> Wow, that must have been traumatic. I hope you're OK.

Anybody else who addressed me> I'm sorry if I've missed any comments. I'm trying to cut back on Internet fun at work, and I've been having trouble with connection at home (Just in time for a depleated bank account).

Comments on Star Wars> I've been listening to the debate about TPM, and I have one little hypothetical question: In your minds, scale back the special effects, make Jar Jar a guy in a laytex suit, and cast a bunch of no name actors. Now carry that image back to 1977, and put it in the theater where you saw Star Wars for the first time. Just for a while, erase all the hype, all the expectations, and all the emotional weight. Now, if you can do that, tell me, was it a good movie?

See, the point is that Lucas was trying to make a movie that people were expecting to live up to a shift in the cenimatic paradigm. Star Wars changed movies forever. After it was made, nothing else was ever the same.

I'm witholding my opinion of the movie, since I can't really do what I asked you guys to do in the first paragraph. I just think you should try to consider the shadow it was made under before you condemn it totally. (It's OK to hate Jar Jar, though.)

X-men movie> Lots of scripts need rewrites. In fact, most movies are being re-worked while they're being shot. The fact the movie needs a script doctor doesn't necessaraly mean the final product will be bad (But it probably will. I have a theory that Warner Bros, which owns DC, has an industrial espinoge department designed to sabotoge any Marvel movies that get made).

Fanfic Update (or lack there of)> I'm still working on Hot Lead and Coldsteel, but I'm starting to think that it might be episode 4, instead of episode 3. The story I was going to do for episode 4 might work better in the earlier slot, and the continuity of Hot Lead won't be damaged by being moved, since the other story would only take about a week. So, for all my eager fans (Oh God, please let there be some) when you have to wait an extra month for the next story, remember these things: First, there will be two episodes within days of eachother, and second, the wait was all Denis's fault. He's the one who gave me the idea about James and Anna.

Oh well, it's late, and I'm tired. I'm almost afraid to sign off, though, because it took me half an hour to get connected.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:08:20 AM
IP: pppa39-fortworthc7-2r5191.saturn.bbn.com

Kaioto> Glad you and Lexy finally met. ^_^ Hm...I'm worried about Jackal myself. Where *is* he?

Warpmind> $Heh...I'm rather allergic to cigar smoke. :) Oh, and check your e-mail. ^_^ $ <<plus, that was one damn pretty Deltan, or whatever... that bald chick).>> Yeah, she was a Deltan. I think she was played by someone named Persis Khambatta. I think she's dead now. :(

Airwalker> <<I heard a little bit about the Dean Devlin's version of the script that would only star Goliath and has only the word 'Gargoyles' in common with the show. (I never understood, since he wrote a story about one Gargoyle, then why call the show "GargoyleS"?) Is this what your talking about?>> Yup. You've read the summary at Coming Attractions? Ecch. Whoever did that thing should be taken out and eaten alive in an orgy of violence. <<If Gargoyles was to come back officially in a sort of comic form, which would more people in her prefer and which do you think would be possible to be put out without getting cancelled within a month or two>> Probably the third or fourth choice. (Money's not much of an issue for me.) In fact, I think my copy of Dark Empire is something like the fourth one...

Fleur> This...idiot...did...WHAT?!!!!! <GRR> Such idiocy...such unrestrained and unabashed arseholeity...such...ugh, there are no words! I hope you're OK after encountering those chunks of vomit. <<The one where you took the twelve days of christmas and REALLY twisted it>> Ah, that one. Heh, that was one of the most evil and disgusting things I've ever done in my entire life. I just hope that whatever powers that be can forgive such things when they're done to people like Mr. Disconnect. >:)

Ironwolf> <<I mean do you know how painful it is to be resurrected then killed resurrected then killed over and over>> Heh heh heh...if Jackal needs to find *that* out, he need only ask Mr. Disconnect. >:)

Robby> <<Reminds me of the time someone decided it would be fun to drive right over my bike while I was on it. Haven't been able to go bikeriding since, my bike isn't rideable any more.>> YOU were assaulted by some psychopath too?! HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD?!! ARE WE THE ONLY GATHERING OF CULTURED AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE LEFT?!!! <sigh> Sorry, just had to vent that.

All newcomers> Welcome! Renfield, prepare the sanity-extractor! 8D

Mercenary X> Kewl name. ^_^ <<Whens the next eip going to come out for TGS?>> Err...I'm not sure. Staff?

SOROW> <<I believe today is Lady Arianna's birthday... so HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Where are yooouuu????>> She won't have Internet access until about the last of the month (probably, although it could be sooner if we're lucky). :(

Aaron> <<My car died on me, so I had to go through the whole sad ritual of cleaning it out, (Taking the tapes, fuzzy dice, driving gloves, bumper magnet, etc., away) and wondering if this'll be the time I can't afford to fix her anymore.>> Eek. I'm glad you could get it fixed, though. :) <<As for the Gargoyles movie, they're supposed to have a trailer ready to show us at G2K.>> Already? I thought it was still in development! Wow. <<Maybe, but I don't mind repitition. :)>> I can't contain it... AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS!!!!! 8P

Todd> <<one thing I do remember learning about them: their Brooklyn had no neck.>> AUGH! I remember that thing; it was a *travesty*. It looked like...like...I don't know; a penguin? Ugh. Icestorm Brooklyn was much kewler (no pun intended). <<Come to think of it, maybe it's just as well that so many of the other characters, from Angela on down, didn't get action figures made of them, if "No-Neck Brooklyn" is an indication of the accuracy of their depictions>> On the whole, I'm afraid it is. Crimes against Gargoyles: Their Bronx figure had some kind of gliding apparatus, as did their Elisa figure (who was dressed in something other than her usual wardrobe, nearest resembling a Mission Impossible-style getup); their roaring Goliath figure was the *completely* wrong color (and had RED <censored> EYES), I seem to remember reading that their Broadway figure was essentially a hunchback, their Macbeth figure was generally inaccurate, their techsuited Xanatos figure's armor was *green*, <censored> GREEN!, and don't even get me STARTED on their vehicles. Kenner was a bunch of mooks when it came to Gargoyles. It was bad enough that the show was so badly handled by Disney; did the toys have to be so horribly mangled by Kenner? Is a proper treatment of the greatest animated franchise ever TOO <censored> MUCH TO ASK?!! <sigh> Sorry about the rant; I just get slightly upset when I think about this. Sometimes I think the planetary collective stupidity is conspiring against Gargoyles and we who support it. Oh, and something I forgot from last time which is unfortunate because I have a lot to say about it> <<One problem with getting rid of Oberon: who'd take his place?>> Interesting question. I'm not sure what the rules are regarding such things, but either Titania would take the throne or one of Oberon's descendants would. Assuming the latter to be the case, I do believe his only living direct descendant is Emrys, and as someone in here has said, would he want the job? No. So that leaves...Alex. Titania specifically mentioned him as 'Avalon's heir', no? (Or is my memory acting up again?) So he'd inherit it all. But he's too young just now, so guess who his regent would be until he grows up. That's right: Owen.

Daniel Hightower> Interesting ideas. I think I did something like that for my second fic...

Stephen> <<Been having rough nights working, and I just collapsed last night>> Not literally, I hope! If so, then I'm concerned about you.

Coyote> <<Michigan State is the only northern college in the US with a rodeo team.>> Er...a rodeo team?! I...I...[REALITY.SYS CORRUPTED. UNIVERSE HALTED. REBOOT? Y/N]

Delphi> <<Somebodies creative demon's are rubbing off on me, spend another night "seeing" story possiblities, when I really should have been sleeping.>> You do that too? Sometimes I have the kewlest little epiphanies when I'm half asleep or otherwise out of it, and I forget them as soon as I'm in a condition to type them. <sigh>

Spacebabie> <<I hope you find it in your hearts to trust another human...>> But of course! We're very trusting...as long as you're not a psych student experimenting on us...<g>

SJ> <<Oh, and to get off subject and possibly draw the disdain of some CR dwellers, I absolutely loved First Contact. Thought it was the best of the three NextGen movies, and the most fun Trek film since part IV. So there. ;-p>> You thought so too? :) I think FC's my favorite Trek movie. There's just something about the Borg Queen...<<who names their kid Hogarth??>> Probably someone who was on crack at the time, or really hates kids.

Pistoff> This Dr. Hu sounds like he does...interesting...work. I really must see what he has to offer a gargoyle client. ^_^

Mary Flanders> Teaser...d'oh! How did I miss that! What's the URL? I think I'd like to see this. :)

Traveler> Hm, from novel-length posts to three-line posts in one week? You've changed. :) Wait a minute...you're a newcomer...interesting. I do hope the *other* Traveler doesn't charge in here with a black lightsaber, bellowing 'There can be only one!'. <LOL>

Dags> Yet another CR dweller falls victim to idiotic customers. <sigh> From what I've read in here, they seem like a plague! I'd better get to work on a virus that kills every human below a certain IQ...

Entity> <<Oh??? Which site is this?>> That would be http://www.corona.bc.ca/films. Oh, and Jarjarmustdie.com? A masterwork! Thank you SO MUCH for recommending this! :D

Jaden> <<all the things I want to do to them right now would be considered cruel, inhuman, illegal, pychotic, and just plain evil>> That's what the CR is for. AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! >:)

**THE JOYRIDE**

[Wilek is still marvelling at the gory remains of Fleur's assailants, and the weapon that caused said assailants to become said remains, when the team reaches the ticket booth. A vapid-looking girl who is sitting there sees the team about to walk into the concert hall and begins kvetching at them that she's sold out, that the squad can't get in without tickets, what's that guy doing with that malevolent-looking trenchcoat, the blue winged guy can't get in without a shirt and shoes, etc. Jack takes care of the whole matter by sticking the barrel of the particle accelerator rifle in the little opening in the ticket booth window and firing point blank at the stupid Hanson fan-slave-groupie. Her pulverized remains coat the inside of the booth in a most amusing manner. Jack breaks the window, carefully reaches in, finds her skull, and cracks it open, just to see if there's anything inside. To the surprise of no one, it's quite hollow. Jack: "Thought so. Think I'll use this for a cereal bowl..."]

**END**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:50:03 AM
IP: tnt-3-42-56k.portsmouth.zoomn