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TRAVELER - You wrote: [Why remake the Awakening and put it into theaters?]
Because it's the origin story. I would love to see a Gargoyles movie that could fit in place of TGC past THE JOURNEY. But when a movie is being made, you have to take the stand that absolutely none of the viewing audience knows anything about these characters or this universe. We know but we are the fans. The average person on the street who might decide to pop in and see it is not going to know every single detail that we do. The first movie has to be made from an assumption of ignorance. AWAKENINGS is the very beginning, it is the origin and the starting point for Gargoyles stories set in Modern times with this cast. Why not use it instead of ignoring it and trying to come up with something different? It may be a bit boring to us to watch a redo of something we all probably have on tape but we are the minority here. The majority know nothing about the show and to them AWAKENINGS in a live action movie would be completely new.
You wrote: [the movie would be better animated.]
I would like to see an animated Gargoyles movie (done by Walt Disney Japan of course) released. It would seem to me to be much simplier than going through all this trouble with a live action movie. But there was a bid to do a live action movie and no interest in doing a animated one. So I'll take what I can get assuming that Greg can somehow keep them from turning this into a tragedy of some sort on the level of TGC or of the Dean Devlin's script.
SHAUNTELL - You wrote: [I will NOT watch any rated R movies, PERIOD. Angela must be in the gargoyles movie, or I will NOT see it. If it's PG -13, it better not have any sexual content whatsoever, cause I WON'T watch it if it does.]
I'm positive that Gargoyles the movie isn't going to be R rated. I'm not even sure that it's going to get a PG-13 rating. I imagine that it will be PG although it might walk the fine line between PG and PG-13. I doubt that there will be any sexual content whatsoever. Do forget that no matter who is doing this movie, ultimately the person behind them is this huge sinister looking mouse with the word DISNEY tattooed to it's arm. I doubt that they will allow anything to be done in the movie that couldn't be done on the show on television. Gargoyles after all is a property that can still be brought back and I don't think they want to ruin it's chances for making them money a few years down the line.
As for Angela showing up in the movie, I wouldn't count on it. The movie has to be an origin. Adding in and explaining the whole Avalon thing is just going to complicate everything. The movie has to be kept simple so as to not alienate the viewing public. Besides if they bring Angela into the first movie then what are they going to do in the sequel? I could picture AWAKENINGS as the first movie and AVALON as the second.
The plotlines for all these movies already exist. It's just a matter of redoing them in order for them to fit into a two hour live action format. Some details here and there are going to change but there is nothing that can be done about that. This movie isn't going to remain faithful to every aspect of continuity. We have to prepare ourselves for that or there is going to be as much disappointment here with it as there was among many Star Wars fans about the Phantom Menace.
I figure as long as they get the major details straight then minor changes (such as perhaps changing Xanatos's plan for what he wanted the Gargoyles for or speeding up the Goliath/Elisa romance so that there would be some sort of development in the first movie [although it shouldn't be major; perhaps they should recognise to themselves by the end of the movie that they have some sort of feelings for each other - kind of like the end of THE MIRROR] or lengthening the medieval scenes in order to give a better view of human/gargoyle relations back then as well as more obvious motivation for a betrayal by The Captain and Demona) while they would bug me wouldn't be as important and could be overlooked. (Or looked at as a retcon. If the plot details remains the same but some details change here and there then we do what Marvel Comic fans have done for years - follow whatever version we like and argue loudly about it on Usenet :-) )
You wrote: [I, too, hope Greg Wiesman helps make the movie. It'll be boring and inconsistant with the cartoon if he doesn't.]
I don't understand why they don't just have him rework the existing script that seems to have problem after problem rather than just bring in someone who has no clue about any Gargoyles continuity.
But I do agree that Greg should be involved in this movie in a major way on the script and casting level. Continuity is not going to be absolutely the same. Movies usually never stay completely true to the material they are based on, but as long as it stays largely in line with what we know then there shouldn't be that much of a problem.
You wrote: [I mean, the movie would probably still be good, but just not as unigue or exciting. Especially if none of the main characters are involved. In my opinion, it would be ridiculous to go back and add things to the story of GARGOYLES when everything's already been said and done.]
That's true. But the creators behind the live action movie don't want to just completely rip off what has been done on television before and they also probably want to add their own bit to the movie so some change is going to have to happen. But it shouldn't be major. If they change Xanatos' objectives for the Gargoyles in AWAKENINGS from getting three disks to getting some other bits of technology then it is a change but not a really major one for example.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, August 8, 1999 10:10:42 AM
IP: 153.new-york-20-25rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Hi all!!
Christine:hate to expose my ignorance (or maybe it's lack-of-sleep brain melt), but who's SPG?>>SPG was Vyvians pet hamster in an old BBC tv show called The Young Ones,SPG means Special Patrol Group(a division of the British Police force)
Bronx Wyvern:Thanks for the info about the Gargoyles movie.
Wilek:Thanks for the Sly Sludge death,it was a thing of beauty>:)
SOROW:23? *drooooool* Care to reveal your picture? ;)>>I wish I could but I have absolutly no idea how.:(
Heather:Welcome back and concratulations on the promotion.
Warpmind:Oh, and y'all participants in the Hunt: You want yer e-mail adresses there, or not? Let me know.>>I'm afraid I must decline as well but thank you for the offer all the same.
**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Having just found out that the backstreet boys are hiding in a dumpster Xanathar makes his way to the alley at the rear of the concert hall maiming several fanatics along the way,by the time he reaches the alley Xanathar's chainsaw and clothes are dripping with blood,looking into the alley he notices that there is at least six dumpsters in it.
"Come out come out wherever you are!!"said Xanathar grinning and revving his chainsaw for effect
A whimper could be heard comming from the bin at the rear of the alley.
Xanathar walks over to the bin and opens the lid and notices to his displesure that only one of the Backstreet boys is in it"Hello there"said Xanathar grabbing him by the throat and pulling him out of the bin"where are the others?said Xanathar angrily and threw him against the alley wall"Where are they?"said Xanathar again and brought the tip fo his chainsaw to within inches of the teen singers face.
"There at the Govenor's they ran there as soon as you guys started tearing up the place now please will you just let me go!!"said the singer scared out of his wits.
"not just yet there's something else I want you to do for me!"said Xanathar
"what?"said the singer
"I want you to sing for me"said Xanathar"I want you to sing for me the song that we all sing when are time comes,I want you to sing your death song"and with that Xanathar trust his chainsaw into the teen singer and the screams echoed out of the alley into the night
**To Be Continued**
C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Sunday, August 8, 1999 08:32:09 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
<Pistoff>:Your right, we don't want Oberon getting off of his free trip out of the solor system, and catching a return flight. So rig a claymore mine loaded with iron to explode of the capsule is breached in any way. Nothing like a little insurance.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 08:06:46 AM
IP: fltg3-ppp64.fltg.net
Okay, I'm checking back after far too few hours of sleep :(
Mary Flanders: Doubt it. We do not hunt family of anybody we know. At least, not relatives of NICE people we know.
Pistoff: Sorry I yelled. I got the desriptions all right, thanks. Too bad there were no images. Will update cast page ASAP.
Okay, gotta do an update on the Joyyride page first, plus add a link to it on my main page, but first:
**JOYRIDE O' BLOOD**
Panic. Screaming fanatics are running everywhere, trying to escape the wicked fate awaiting them at the hands of the maniacally laughing, chainsaw-wielding guy running after them. Wilek is chasing others, using his tail and wings as offensive weapons, while Miriam is handling some weird form of raygun, melting whoever she hits. Warpmind, Pistoff and Jack are nowhere to be seen from the stage.
"Yo, Xanathar, Pistoff just loaded Hanson into the trunk! I got Jack here with me, we're trying to figure out where Backstreet Boys went!"
"Roger that, Warps, just gimme a sec here, and I'll help."
Warpmind, followed by Jack Hammer, runs into a small corridor off the side of the stage. A cheer of joy emanates, apparently voiced by Warpmind.
"Oh, yes! A fire axe, I practiced for two years with one of those, for hand-to-hand combat! It's the only axe I'd dare to wield! Jack, you keep looking, I'll go out fan-desizing!"
Warpmind leaps off the stage, slips in a puddle of blood, recovers, and starts handling the axe like a bo stick. As soon as the first screaming fan comes into reach, the axe performs a magnificen flurry of movements, seemingly by itself, and the screamer falls apart over most of the floor. One of the other fans get hit in the face by a flying foot and passes out.
"Aww, darn. Now, there went the fun with him."
"HIM???" The others chorus.
"Yeah, him. No chest, faint signs of a potential bulge in the loins, I'd say this is a male. Of course, a male at a Backstreet Boys/Hanson concert is probably just a faggot anyway, so..."
With one swift movement, Warpmind throws the axe to Pistoff, pulls out a chemical syringe, and injects a golden liquid into the unconcious person on the floor. He awakens.
"Hi, kid. I'm not going to hurt you. You've been out for hours, there seems to have been a massacre here. Know where Backstreet Boys are? They're stil unaccounted for."
The guy looks at Warpmind with unfocused eyes.
"Th... they're hiding in a trash container, I think. That's the lasht I shaw of'em."
"Thanks, kid. By the way, I lied. I AM going to hurt you."
Warpmind sprays the semiconcious youngster with a chemical. The kid quickly freezes, then is shattered by Jack running over and kicking him.
**TO BE CONTINUED**
That's all for now.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, August 8, 1999 04:58:21 AM
IP: mp-217-230-177.daxnet.no
Gargoyles movie-forget the kiddies of today , they're too interested in Pokemon too care about a gargoyles movie . Most of the fans are at least older than 12 . So why not make it an animated film , but with enough graphic content to give it a PG-13 rating. thats how most of us would rather have it , right? and I would like to have a good Greg Weisman tested and approved script. And the same actors as in the show [Kieth David , Sally Richardson,etc.] but maybe three or four new characters with voices done by big hollywood actors and actresses. These are just my ideas , don't get mad if they sound stupid to you guys .
traveler - [Goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:22:37 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net
Rubber monsters-Just in case you forget again , that flying, fire-breathing turtles name is Gamera.
traveler - [Goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:07:26 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net
Godilla and co.-Just in case you forget again that flying, fire-breathing turtles name was [and still is] Gamera.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:04:16 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net
Coyote: Yeah, I figured the motivation was "cashola." I was thinking logically, and I should've known that logic could never apply to merchandising. ;) But it was late and I was tired and didn't have my head screwed on straight...I'll know better next time. :) And that dumb customer...my friggin' god! How could anybody possibly be so damned stupid? It shouldn't surprise me anymore, but occasionally I run into one that just throws me for a loop. A friend of mine works at Fred Meyer, and he told me about this one that still amazes me to this very day. This guy went in and asked where the garden hoses are. My friend showed him the selection of hoses. The guy bought a soaker hose and went home. For some reason, he hooked the hose to his kitchen faucet instead of a faucet outside, and he ran the hose through the house and out into the back yard. He turned it on and wondered why no water came out of the end. He apparently let it run for a long time, because it ruined his carpet. I guess he didn't notice the fine jets of water squirting out of the hose--nor did he notice, it seems, that the end of the hose was sealed off. He tried to sue the company, but my friend pointed out that he shouldn't have hooked a soaker hose up to the kitchen faucet.
"But I didn't know it was a soaker. How the hell am I supposed to know that?"
My friend pointed out the words "SOAKER HOSE" on the box. Big, bold block letters. "Hospital must've been running a special on lobotomies."
**rimshot**
Warpmind: Okay, I sent you the descriptions. Oh, and I forgot to mention--go ahead and put my email address in there. :)
Wilek: <With the requisite encounters with disturbingly stupid (or just disturbing) customers, no doubt? >:)> Hehe, exactly. That's why it's called "The Far End of the Dark Side." :)
Xanathar: The cops arrested somebody in your back yard? Bitchin'!! :)
Gyre: Nifty idea on how to get rid of Oberon. But just to make sure he doesn't come back, they should point the rocket toward the nearest black hole... :)
Tim P: Like your script ideas. :)
Gargoyles movie: Actually, it might be interesting if this were done as a Heavy Metal movie...we would finally get to see full-frontal Demona nudity! BOIOIOIOIOIOIOINNNNNG! :D
Joyriders: It's been a long day, my brain's fried. I'll try to come up with a bit for the Joyride later, if I can get enough synapses to fire. If any of you get there first, go right ahead with it. I'll jump in wherever the last one left off...
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 02:02:52 AM
IP: wire-9.koalas.com
Okay, I've only got a couple things to say; (Kind of a rant, so be warned ^_^!!)
I will NOT watch any rated R movies, PERIOD. Angela must be in the gargoyles movie, or I will NOT see it. If it's PG -13, it better not have any sexual content whatsoever, cause I WON'T watch it if it does. Sex is a beautiful thing, but if Hollywood, it's a nightmare. It's all they think about. That's why I don't see many movies.
I, too, hope Greg Wiesman helps make the movie. It'll be boring and inconsistant with the cartoon if he doesn't. I mean, the movie would probably still be good, but just not as unigue or exciting. Especially if none of the main characters are involved.
In my opinion, it would be ridiculous to go back and add things to the story of GARGOYLES when everything's already been said and done. It would be like a major continuity nit in the Gargoyles Universe. The only thing I care about seeing is Angela, and Goliath and Elisa. I would just die if they got married. That would be totally cool. :) :)
Anyway, I think I've ranted and talked enough. I'm gonna go to bed before I really get weird. ANd I usually don't do that often. ^_^
Later everybody!!!
Shauntell - [sgargoyle9@aol.com]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:52:26 AM
IP: spider-te083.proxy.aol.com
Gargoyles movie-WHy remake the Awakening and put it into theaters? That would be a great idea if you were going to put it out onto video right before the movies release [which I say again , should take place after "The journey episode"] and in the video after the credits roll you could have maybe a five minute featurette which has series highlights [from the awakening to the journey]. So that people new to the series would have the beginning plus essential moments in the series.
And the movie would be better animated.
traveler - [goliath@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:41:38 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net
I spent the last hour typing, I had this huge post and I was about to send it when my computer froze and I lost everything. It just makes me want to scream.
COYOTE - I don't think that it would be wise to info-dump the entire series into the first ten minutes of a movie. The movie should stick to the basic plot of AWAKENINGS although in order to say that they didn't just rip off everything that was shown on television, certain changes could be made.
The Plot as it should stand:
GARGOYLES: A clan of an ancient race of beings who turn to stone in daylight, were betrayed, and largely destroyed. The survivors were turned to stone magically for a thousand years only to be awaken by a villianous multi-billionaire with his own agenda that he wants to use them for. At the same time they seek to come to terms with what has happened and find a place for themselves in this strange new world.
Scenes that they could add:
- Expand the Medieval scenes to give more of an idea of Human/Gargoyle relations at Wyvern.
This gives the opportunity to expand slightly the motivation of The Captain and Demona in their betrayal of the Castle.
The Captain for example could be given more reasons than that he just simply liked the Gargoyles more and was disgusted with the ungrateful Humans who surrounded him.
Demona's line in AWAKENINGS 5 - "You can ask me that after how they treated us!" - could be expanded. (I've always wondered if Demona and other female Gargoyles had a harder time in Medieval Wyvern. After all it's one thing to be seen as a demon, but most of the human population in that frontier castle would be men and more likely to look on her as a succubi than anything else. Perhaps that could even more personalize Demona's hatred for the residents at Wyvern, and at the same time explain why Goliath wouldn't be as hateful towards them. As a male Gargoyle, he would probably only be seen as a demon and nothing more and thus wouldn't have had to put up with advances and looks that maybe Demona had to deal with, which would give him a more neutral view on things.)
- Change Xanatos' scheme a bit.
In a cartoon, having him wake up a clan of Gargoyles to steal three disks doesn't stand out as much as it would in a movie where a general audience would ask "Why doesn't he just hire some mercenaries to do the job or just bribe the workers at Cyberbiotics to get him the information?"
Instead what he intends them to steal should be changed a bit. They could still try and go for the disks but at the same time should be sent after something specific that would make use of Gargoyle strength and ability to glide. Perhaps a hard to impossible to get to prototype robotic brain could be the target?
- Elisa and Goliath relationship scenes should be expanded a bit. They shouldn't move to HUNTERS MOON stage in the first movie but there should be some slight movement between the two of them recognising that they might have feelings for each other (although they don't have to reveal that they do. That increases tention and could work well for a sequel).
Scenes would have to be eliminated or reworked:
- Hudson and the Trio should appear, but while they should get some characterization and a few moments to themselves, they would lose out a lot in any movie to Goliath and Elisa. For example the Motorcycle scene would have to go but at the same time the kitchen scene could be retained in keeping with the stranger in a strange land idea.
- The attack in the Park and that whole Xantos scheme could be reworked or redone in a different manner. I don't think that it should be done but if it's left in then there might not be enough time for other expanded scenes (there are only two hours to work with). As to what should be put in it's place, I'll leave that to more imaginative minds to come up with.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:18:04 AM
IP: 70.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Taco Bell Gargoyles-Bronx, what I was trying to get at was that Godzilla of Toho co. and the Godzilla movie made in america hade nothing in common exept for the title and the fact that there is a huge lizard in both. I grew up with the big guy and I have [or have seen] every single one of his movies , And it surprized me when I saw Godzilla's name over a monster that looked nothing like what I was used to . And as for calling the movie "crappy" , I was just quoting what a friend of mine [who had seen the film ] had said.
As for the taco bell gargoyles , well , some publicity is better than none , but when I first saw the Godzilla taco bell comercials I felt like they were making fun of it [Godzilla]. And I just can't picture Goliath munching on a mexican pizza.
traveler - [Goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 8, 1999 01:14:36 AM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net
David G> heres my e-mailaddy if you need it :)
Now, Skippy's opinion of Blair Witch:
Just saw it this afternoon, while I was watching it, I really found I wasn't getting into the plot. I think the first person documentary style they were using got in the way of the story at some points because it did drag on at several points and there was not enough exposition of the legend to make any real sense. I really found out more of the background from reading their website than watching the movie, which I don't think is a good thing. I have to give the actors credit for their performances, fear is probably the most difficult emotion to mimic, but they did give some reality to the situation.
I remember UPN airing a similar movie a few years back called Alien Abduction. While the effects in the movie gave away it's cheesy nature, the story was actually better presented there than in Blair. Instead of just running the footage and letting the chips fall as they may. The Alien story featured commentary and "expert" interviews to help establish the story better. If Blair had done this, added interviews like the ones they created for the website and used that to help establish more story. I think they would have a much better product
Despite my complaints, I have to admit one thing. I live out in the country and the roads around my house are wodded and sparsely populated, much like the movie. As I drove home after the movie, I couldn't help but keep watching the woods with a little wariness. The movie might not have scared me, but on at least one level it did disturb me....
BTW Click my name for the Blair website
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Sunday, August 8, 1999 12:34:16 AM
IP: uv1-55.ultravision.net
I'm glad you agree Wilek Nereus
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, August 8, 1999 12:17:21 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
**BRIEF RP!**
[Wilek's team recieves a call from Jammer: "Guys, Guod has activated the Devastator's self-destruct! Where are you?" Wilek: "We're outside." Jammer: "Get away, as fast as you can! When this thing blows, the explosion is going to be HUGE!" Jake: "Guess we didn't need to bother with those charges on the core." Jammer: "They'll probably make the explosion even bigger." Wilek: "I guess that's our cue to exit. You guys need an evac?" Jammer: "Well...we can probably make it out by ourselves, but have the Avatar keep a portal lock on us, just in case." Wilek: "Right. We're leaving now." Jammer: "Thanks." Wilek has the Avatar open a portal for them, and soon they're aboard the station.]
**END RP AND BEGIN AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE!**
[In the offices of www.mp3.com, the incompetent technicians slave away at their terminals, thinking up ever more creative ways to keep users away from the site's music files...when a couple of bloody and battered guards stagger in and barricade the door they came in through. Tech: "What the..." Guard: "There's...there's something coming this way! It's been killing everyone in the building! It almost got Harvey!" Harvey is the other guard that came in. Soon, in the distance, we hear bangs, rips, screams, and the crazed rantings of a very familiar voice. The guards, recognizing it, scream and run to the fire escape. Soon, we hear something pounding on the door, and for a short time, the barricade seems effective...until *it* barges in, splintering the door and scattering the barricade. It is Wilek, somehow enraged and gleeful at the same time, giggling maniacally and ranting in what sounds like a mangled cross between Latin and Romanian, clearly out of his mind. He spits out a bit of raw meat acquired when he tore out someone's throat with his fangs, and sets about slaughtering the technicians and surviving guards. He then kicks down the door to the manager's office, to find said manager cowering in a corner and trying frantically to page someone. Wilek grabs the phone. "Sorry, pal; a friend of mine took care of the phones. It's just you and me." He looks at the phone's LCD display and recognizes the number thereon. "Mr. Disconnect? I kinda thought he was on your payroll. Don't worry, he'll <hehehe> go to the dogs soon enough." Wilek then rips off the manager's head and kicks it out the window, and tears the body limb from bloody limb. A now much calmer Wilek: "I feel cleansed..."
Meanwhile, Mr. Disconnect is standing about in a secluded wilderness area, wondering why on earth his current employer at Mp3.com asked to meet him in this forsaken glade. Soon, he becomes aware of a presence--no, a pack of them--among the trees surrounding him. He feels like he's being watched. He discreetly tries to escape--but over a dozen howling creatures that look for all the world like large furry wolf-headed humanoids descend upon him. One of them knocks him down and holds a silver knife to his throat. "<hehehe> You're Disconnect, aren't you! You were unwise to trespass upon the territory of the werewolves of the Red Talon tribe, human!" DC: "<whimper>" Another Garou calls, "The blue fellow was right; you *are* pathetic!" "I wonder what we'll do with him. Ideas, anyone?" "YULETIDE RITES!" "Yeah, yuletide rites!" Most of the others take up the call. A younger werewolf asks, "Isn't this supposed to take place in December?" "It's always more fun when it's out of season! HAHAHAHAAAH!" "Deck the halls with gutz of humans, falalalala..." The pack proceeds to tie Mr. Disconnect to a tree, disembowel him, eat some of the meat off his bones, hang his skin and entrails on the tree's branches like demented Christmas ornaments, and put his head on top of the tree.]
**END SICK STUFF AND BEGIN POST (don't step in the doggie doo)**
Click my name, everyone. Miriam's organization gave me this URL, told me to bring it to your attention, and made me promise not to see what was on it. How they hacked into my account is beyond me...
Entity> Well said, regarding the Gargs movie. I can't say it better than the reviewer: "Watch those Italian loafers, I'm going to vomit."
Pistoff> <<Just picture this one--Brooklyn delivering pizzas...with Jack Hammer!! <eg>>> With the requisite encounters with disturbingly stupid (or just disturbing) customers, no doubt? >:) <<I remember seeing some sort of "assault glider" or something like that...and the picture on the box showed Goliath riding it!>> Ah, the Night Striker (I think that's what it's called). I have that thing. It's nice, in and of itself, but what did it have to do with Gargoyles? Nothing, except Disney and Kenner thought it was marketable. <sigh> <<The sow's demise? The SOW'S demise??!?!?!?>> The Sow's Demise...kewl name for a band. ^_^
Xanathar> <<Interesting story,last night police were outside of my house with tracking dogs looking for a burgular in the neighborhood and they found him in my backyard, they set the dogs on him and then beat him up and finally carted him off,the worst thing about this is that I SLEPT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING!!>> ACK! I'm glad he didn't get into your house! <<I'd like to order a Sly Sludge death,he got to me the other day(my life seems to be interesting lately)>> Coming right up, at the end of this post. :)
Warpmind> $<<Wilek, with your permission, I'll use the picture you mentioned of you and Miriam for the character description page.>> Sure thing. ^_^$ Some idiot BROKE INTO YOUR ROOM?!! ACK!!! If that happened to me, they'd never find the body. But you took care of him *very* nicely. >:)
Even more newcomers> The sanity extractor will be busy tonight! >:) Welcome, one and all! :D
Tim P.> Great script ideas! :D
Heather> Welcome back! And congratulations on the promotion! :D
Spacebabie> <<Does anyone here like Anime also?>> I do! I've only recently begun to really appreciate it though. I think I started to truly understand how kewl it is when I saw Tekkaman Blade II.
Bronx> So...the movie might get past the development phase soon? Great; it's been stuck there for...what, a year?
Stephen> <<So, I'm still alive and healthy. I just needed a night or two of sleep to recover.>> Oh, good. Glad things weren't as bad as we thought. :)
James> Anubis ruling Avalon? Ooh...all kinds of possibilities there... >:)
Gyre> <<Bind him in iron, the more the better. Prepare a Saturn 5 rocket for launch, toss the bound Oberon into the space capsule, also lined with iron, and launch tje thing into a trajectory that takes it out of the solor system. No more Oberon problems.>> :O You're evil. I'm impressed. >:)
Robby> I'm not sure if you'll recieve this in time, but I'd like to add Caitlingoyle as one of my Favorite Artists. :)
Coyote> <<Incidentally, I found the character this figure was modeled after ... she's a character in an Avatar Comics title called "Curse of the Ravening." **shudders** The character in the book apparently is a lesbian vampire.)>> <grr> SOMEBODY GON' DIE! Heh...well, not really; it's not like they did that deliberately. But that *is* weird, and not in the good way either.
David G.> <<Maybe the ones you got weren't mine after all.>> Did they look like winged octopi, and were they babbling about conspiracies and sleeping beasts and the Apocalypse? They may be mine; I've had severe writers block for several weeks now.
**ANOTHER ORGY OF VIOLENCE!**
[Wilek stomps into Sli Sludge's hideaway, enraged that the Plague Spreader has blighted a friend and fellow clan member. Following behind him is a vaguely gargoid magically animated statue, something like a golem, wielding an axe. Sli: "What the..." Wilek: "I think you'll appreciate my newest toy. Go get 'im!" The golem lurches at Sli, who grabs an axe of his own and brings it down upon the golem's head, splitting it in two. He grins smugly...but then the pieces reform into *two* smaller golems, both with axes. They attack, managing to deal a few serious wounds, before Sli breaks them into several pieces each. *Those* pieces reform into more golems. The cycle continues until a bloody and battered Sli Sludge is lying amid a pile of gravel...and of course, the gravel becomes more golems, which climb into every bodily orifice they can find, and begin hacking away at his internal organs, condemning him to a slow, painful death.]
**END RIPPED-OFF DEATH! Wilek: "Actually, it was a *homage*."**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, August 7, 1999 11:59:06 PM
IP: tnt-3-119-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Spacebabie> I was mostly interested in whether you liked to watch fan subtitled video, or wated for domestic releases. Personally I watch more fansub. My personal collection is around 100 tapes. I don't buy video tapes very often, since they (a) cost around $20 each, and (b) the picture degrades and the subtitles are hard to read. I usually prefer subtitles to dubs, because the translation is better.
On the other hand, I now have a DVD player, and DVD's don't degrade like tapes do. If only I had some money.
Either way, I highly recommend a title called Lain. I just saw the second volume tonight, and it's cool beyond words. It should be on VHS now, and the DVD's start coming out in the middle of this month.
Delphi> Standard mail is OK. I figured out how to end "Hot Lead and Coldsteel" this afternoon, and I outlined the new episode 3, called "Survivor's Guilt" this evening. Maybe the ones you got weren't mine after all.
Skippy> Ben lost your e-mail address. I've got to check to see if I have it in my address book so I can give it to him again. The latest news about the con is that the university won't let us reserve the rooms until the semester starts, so we don't know for sure what date we'll run it. It will either be Oct 30th, or Nov 15th.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 11:44:26 PM
IP: pppa18-fortworth5-3r201.saturn.bbn.com
AirWalker::Thank you for that delicious piece of information((And the angels did fly higher on gossamer wings and sang out a joyous song))
David G::Fansubs? If you man if I create them no I dont..if you man if I watch them, yeah but I usually watch more dubs...due to the fact that the Subtitaled videos are eating my wallet.
I hope the link works. Its to a crossover series::looks sheepish:: part of a long drawn out saga itself, but anyways I'm trying to draw some decent Gargie pics, but argh!!! I did manage to sketch out a preliminary of Siris a Garg Beast. C-ya around.
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Florida, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:03:32 PM
IP: ts002d33.orl-fl.concentric.net
**enters the room with a copy of "Lowrider" magazine under his arm, switching out the candles and sitting down**
Hmm, lots of stuff to talk about ... let's see if I can talk about it. ;)
Oh, I'm no longer worried about my car being freakish with my Garg conversion. **holds up the magazine** If some guy can paint a huge mural of the Hulk on the rear deck of a '68 Bonneville and the rest of it hunter green, then I can create "Now And Forever." :)
Oh, before I forget ... **pastes a label with Lady Arianna's name on one of the remotes in the bag** When she comes in, she can pick her flavor. :)
"Gargoyles" film, if I were writing it: Here's what *should* happen in a Gargoyles film ... spend the first ten minutes or so with a summary of the whole series, only focusing on major things that will impact the movie's plot. Among these highlights (which, if it's live action, should be re-filmed in L.A. as faithfully to the original as possible) should be:
*The Wyvern Massacre.
*The Clan frozen in stone
*The Clan reawakening in Manhattan
*Goliath meets Elisa (falls of building)
*Goliath's choice of Elisa over Demona (falling off of building again)
*Broadway accidentally shooting Elisa
*Goliath and Elisa's glide in "The Mirror" ("I never realized when you were a human ... just how beautiful you are.")
*Meeting Angela at the start of the Avalon Tour
*Goliath accepts that Angela *is* his daughter
*The Trio making utter fools of themselves around Angela
*"The Reckoning" -- Angela tells Demona she hates her.
*Elisa nearly dies during "Hunter's Moon"
*Goliath and Elisa's reunion/Jason Canmore's crippling
*And of course ... THE KISS! ;)
If it's edited right, every scene above could be covered and shown interspersed with the opening credits. After which, the plotline picks up from the end of "Hunter's Moon."
Wilek, re: Deltan: You must be referring to bald-as-an-egg sex symbol Lt. Ilia from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture," who was indeed played by Indian actress Persis Khambatta (and who, unfortunately, is indeed dead ... she died of cancer two years ago).
Pistoff, re: toy executives performing self-rectal exams: There's a rationale (however stupid it may be) to putting the stupid crap with the characters when they'd never use it under normal circumstances.
One word: CASHOLA!!
It's the main reason why there's about ... oh, I'd say 100 or so variants on a Batman figure currently being sold in the US today; the companies know that Batman is a bankable character, so if they alter him slightly in different ways, they can make more money off the little punks who tell their parents that they want the new Batman, never mind that they already have an *army* of Batmen enough to take over half their town if they so pleased.
'Tis also why there's such a dearth of female action figures, except in the collector arena; the toy manufacturers' rationale is that women as action figures are *only* good for collector's items, the main reason why they only pack them about one to a case of 50. Which is why I was so surprised a month ago (not only because of the name of the figure) to get my mitts on that Ravyn action figure.
(Incidentally, I found the character this figure was modeled after ... she's a character in an Avatar Comics title called "Curse of the Ravening." **shudders** The character in the book apparently is a lesbian vampire.)
Mellow greetin's to all newcomers!
JEB: Exploding Coyote?! No way, not only would that not be fun for me, but either I'd wind up dead or everyone else would, depending on what part of me exploded! (*L* j/k)
Stephen: **breathes a sigh of relief** Boy, I'm glad. **looks over situation** Hmm ... one of these days when I get it done, I oughtta get "Now And Forever" up there some Thursday night. ;)
SOROW, re: winking: Nah, it's the dust, definitely.
Doug: Coolies on the movie reviews. As far as Thomas Crown goes ... well, y'see now why nobody's tried a remake of that film before (it's originally from the '60s.), and that's mainly because the *original* was that much of a yawner, as well.
Oh, did anyone catch Leno last night with Heather Donahue (from "Blair Witch")? Maaan, is she tall! No wonder she screams so well, she's got plenty of lung capacity. And of course the funniest bit with her came at the end when Ben Stiller disappeared and a stick doll was left on the couch in his place: "BEN! BEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!" :)
Delphi: You want the ultimate dumb customer? Yesterday, this idiot called the store *four times* trying to get a fuse box. We don't carry those under normal situations, let alone for his application (it was for a '64 Buick Lesabre), so the first time he called I referred him to a place called Vintage Auto Parts in Malibu, California.
Calls back three minutes later. "I was referred to a Malibu Vintage Auto Parts. What city is that in?"
**slaps forehead**
Calls back again the same day, this time the parts manager tells him the information he needs.
THEN HE COMES IN THIS MORNING, trying to find out if we can get the damned fuse box for him, after we told him *THREE TIMES* that fuse boxes can't be ordered through us!!
**sigh** My friend, I swear ... Darwin is rolling so fast in his grave he's drilling a hole to the center of the Earth.
**sits back in the chair, opening up the magazine and trying to read it ... but surrenders to fixating on the candle**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:03:24 PM
IP: modem20.i-is.com
Goodevening all
Okay I just spent 15 min laughing at myself. You ask why? Well I finally figured out that DC=disconnect, all these weeks I've been skipping those sections in the CR and wondering what in the cow paddies that abbreviation refered to, (sorry had to stop and laugh some more, I just pictured a required reading site to prepare us newbies for, well joining in on the insanity.)
I had a Great Dumb customer call today, This lady calls and asks if we have any plants on sale in our gardenshop. "No Mamme I have no plants whatsoever" , "well then do you have any trees?", (I'm thinking not another one) "WE HAVE NO PLANTS, is there anything else I can help you with?" "Then tell me what you do have." (I pause, Does she want me to tell her about all the tools, hoses, chemicals etc, etc, etc, NAW couldn't be) "Mam, are you wanting to know what kind of PLANTS we have in stock." "YES" (OH MY, SHE'S DEAF TOO!) "WE ARE SOLD OUT OF PLANTS TILL NEXT YEAR" "OH, well that's all I needed"
RANT WARNING
There are always a few customer you wait till the end of the season, they see all the thousands of plants, I get in and figure that I'm going to end up sitting on them, and then selling them dirt cheap in Aug. But we never have any reason to, they always sell out. What I really wanted to tell her is that IF YOU snooze YOU lose.
END RANT
David G>>creative demons: do you want them em, fed-x'd, mailed, or UPS'd, I think I have a box around here somewhere? Anything else I can do to help???
To those Of you who went to the garg convention, I'm trying to see if I can work getting there next year into my budget, would any of you mind EMAILing me rough est on what it cost this year? use email below. I'm just looking for some base figures so I can start planning.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:50:42 PM
IP: 207.14.200.145
There's only a couple more hours before the fandom top five poll ends! Vote now if you haven't already done so!
Categories for the last time include
FAVORITE WRITER
FAVORITE ARTIST
FAVORITE STORY
FAVORITE ILLUSTRATION
FAVORITE CYCLE/SERIES
FAVORITE MALE CHARACTER
FAVORITE FEMALE CHARACTER
FAVORITE VILLAIN
Multiple votes are allowed due to the totally open ballot nature of this poll, all TGS work counts, and voting ends at midnight!
Robby
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:33:06 PM
IP: spider-ta077.proxy.aol.com
**RP CONTINUING HERE**
"No!" Guod's head screams as Two-of-One is captured and Jess teleports away. "That was my last competent lieutenant!" "Don't forget me, Master!" the Borg who's now in charge of Two-of-One's legions pipes up. "I, Borg Gary Oak, am the best Pokemon trainer in the world!" He draws his Pokeballs, points them at some of the Ravens, and shouts "Rapidash, Onyx, go!" "Go, Gary! Go, Gary!" shout the Borg cheerleaders behind him. The three Pokemon Gary has summoned appear, but the Ravens ignore them. Instead Elena and Jammer massacre the cheerleaders while Boris fires a Stinger into Gary. "No!" the egotistical jerk screams as he is destroyed. Without their trainer, the two Pokemon are instantly confused and Shap and Orion easily eliminate them. "Best Pokemon trainer in the world?" Guod's head chuckles. "I rest my case!" One of his disembodied parts gestures and the remaining legions continue battling the Ravens. On the floor, Doug and Kitainia struggle to throw off the many sections of Guod that are pummeling them. "Give up!" the evil clone advises his foes. "I can not be defeated!" "So you keep saying," Doug snaps, grabbing one of Guod's legs and throwing it at the clone's head as he gets back to his feet. The leg swerves away from Guod at the last second and comes rocketing back, but Doug blasts it down with his shotgun and walks forward to face the Borg leader. Behind him, Kit continues to throw off and blow away with her laser gun Guod's other extremities. Despite their adversary's continuing taunts and laughter, it looks like the Ravens may soon win.
**RP WILL BE CAUGHT UP ON AT THE END**
Okay, at long last it's time to post. Sorry I haven't said much in a while, a lot has been going on. Hope I can quickly get caught up. :)
Fanfic Progress: As you all know, I've recently finished and posted Eruption. Thanks again to Peter for his feedback, I hope to get more from people real soon. Especially from the person who gave my story five stars (IMO, it doesn't really deserve that many, but the stars are still nice to have). I need to know what I'm doing right. :) I started Protected Species this morning, hope to have it out by early September. More is happening in this story, so it will take a little longer to write. I'm still looking for an artist to do the new character Moro for it, hope I find one soon.
**BEGIN WEEKEND MOVIE REVIEWS/SPOILERS**
Kit and I saw four movies yesterday and today, so of course it's time now to post what we thought of them. Here goes:
Iron Giant: While I wouldn't call this a classic, it was a very entertaining film. It had a good plot and characters, though I thought some of the latter could have gotten a little more development. The animation was of course excellent, the Giant looked almost real and very cool. We were glad he survived the nuke hitting him at the end of the movie, though I do hope they don't bring him back in the form of a bleah cartoon series like they have with animated movie characters before. 8/10, thumbs up.
Sixth Sense: Forget Blair Witch, everyone. That film is a pale flop when compared to this movie. Why, you ask? Well, it has characters that actually get developed throughout the story, a non-convoulted plot you can easily follow, and it's MUCH scarier too. The images and sound in the film are very well-done, and compliment the mood of it while helping to develop the characters and build suspense. I at first thought the film would be like Mercury Rising with ghosts, but it is much more than that. Bruce Willis turns in an Oscar-caliber preformance, and IMO the film had nothing unnecessary or unenjoyable. The ending was especially a surprise (no, I'm not gonna say how). Go see it! 10/10, thumbs screaming towards the stars.
Mystery Men: Saw it this afternoon. Like Mandi said, the film was much more enjoyable than we thought it would be. All the heroes were entertaining, especially the Shoveler (who had a great deadpan preformance), the Bowler, and the Blue Rajah (we liked their relationships with their respective parents too). The plot was great and easy to follow, poking fun at many comic superhero story cliches without getting too campy, convoulted, or predictable. It was helped by very well-done special effects and a script that was IMO excellent. The villains were also entertaining and IMO perfectly written (I loved the scene where the Disco gang reveals its lack of real powers and disco-related gear). There were some elements we didn't like (the end battle got a little cliched, and Invisible Boy wasn't necessary to the plot or that enjoyable), but they were few and far between. Overall we liked this movie very much, and hope everyone in here will go see it. 8/10, thumbs up.
And finally, Thomas Crown Affair: This movie had its good points. It was very entertaining to watch Crown's schemes in action, and his character overall. He had some potential to be very much like Xanatos, IMO. But other than him it was basically one big convoulted predictable yawn. The plot was too easy to follow, Rene Russo gave a good preformance but her character should have been developed more, and overall we thought there wasn't much for the regular movie-goer to like. Yeah, there was sex, but it seemed more gratuitous than necessary. So it wasn't as good as we'd hoped it be. 5/10, thumbs down.
**END MOVIE SPOILERS, ON TO REPLIES**
Kyryn, Entity: Thanks. Hope my requests get done. :)
Jackal: Like everyone else in here, I was shocked about your attempted suicide. I agree with them that it is a bad idea and am glad you did not go through with it. I can't really say anything else to you that hasn't been said, except that I hope you will soon return to us. I think we could all breathe easier if we knew you were alright.
Paul: Sent you an e-mail about Myria's Legacy, glad you got it. Thanks for offering to give me the fanfic link, I may want to do one about Taben's fate. :) If you're curious, we beat Bargon on Thursday (that was one tough battle!). Right now we're about to go after the last of Althena's heroes, hope she's not as difficult as Borgan was. And the Pentagulia portion was very entertaining. We liked seeing Jean get into a karate match, and are glad a tournament is part of Lunar 2 (one is part of most good RPGs, and since Lunar 1 had no tournament we kind of missed them :).
Avalon: So it has a volcano, huh? I had forgotten that, wonder if it's ever erupted. :) Probably not, but one can get creativity demons. See Kitainia's earlier post for the rest of the island's features in my ficverse. Once again, I'm sorry for the Vingard/Vanaheim mistake.
Welcome back TRC!
Parodies: I agree that they can often be as entertaining as the original stories on which they're based. My favorite parodies include Weird Al Yankovic's music and Mel Brooks' films.
Kaioto: Glad you and Lexy are together and happy. :) Hope you two continue to have a great time while you stay in her house.
Todd: Nice Four Horsemen creativity demon.
Lucas: I agree with Robby about Jarjar compared to Draco (the latter was a LOT more entertaining as well as real). As far as artistic visions go, I agree that Lucas has a good one, but think that Episode 1 was not a very good part of it. If Jarjar had been a more interesting (possibly tragic) character, and they had fixed a few other things about the film. maybe. As it is now, no. Hope Ep 2 is much better, and it should be if Lucas learns from his mistakes.
Christine: Read Indigo, nice job on it. I was very surprised and entertained by all the Godiva developments. The Sevarius ones were also interesting, and I loved all the very well-done Xanatos character bits. Keep up the good work!
Illuminati and Timedancer: I agree that an ep with them kidnapping Brooklyn for interrogation might be a very good idea. They wouldn't need to do it in my ficverse of course (because of Silvan), but for TGS it has great potential as a plot for next season. Hope it gets done.
SJ: Have a good time on your family vacation. <waves>
Fleur: Sounds like you had a terrible experience, sorry to hear about it. Glad you survived the wreck, and your car's still driveable. Hope the cops apprehend the guys that did that soon. $ If you want, feel free to kill them off in the RP. $
James: I think you may be mistaken about the Illuminati, man. Do we know Duval well enough yet to judge him? I don't think so. That he has a lot of intelligence and wisdom is obvious, but not all his motives are good. And how do we know the Society doesn't have a few power-hungry people in its ranks? We don't. Think about it. And please, stop insulting newcomers to the CR.
Daniel Hightower: Good points about the Illuminati, I agree that they could make for an interesting story. Oh yeah, welcome to the room.
Heather: Congrats on your recent promotion, hope you continue to have fun in ROTC.
Stephen: I agree with you about the old and new Godzillas. The old was way more entertaining of course. I used to live in Taiwan and watched his movies on the Japanese network NHK many times. I still own several on video. NHK also had Ultraman every afternoon, I enjoyed watching that even though I couldn't understand what they were saying (it wasn't dubbed). Wish they had done an Ultraman vs. Godzilla episode, that would have been neat.
Okay, that's all for now, hope to post again soon. For now I'll sign off since I'm really tired (was up late last night playing AD&D with the other Ravens). Later.
**RESUME THE RP**
By now having finished off the last of the legions, Jake and the other Ravens in the control room rush to Kitainia's aid. Soon every one of Guod's body parts except for his head and hands has been destroyed, and Shauna and Orion are helping Kit get up. "Die!" Guod screams at the Ravens, forcing them away from him by flailing with his disembodied fists. "Hey Guod!" Doug shouts as he dodges one of them. "Take this!" He fires his shotgun into the evil clone's face, causing Guod to scream and momentarily lose control of his remaining extremities. Elena quickly incinerates both hands with a liberation beam. "Ha ha, Guod," Jammer chuckles. "Now you're just a little wimpy head. How are you gonna defeat us like that?" "Shut up!" Guod's head warns, popping three small crawler legs out of its neck and standing on them. "I can still kill all of you!" With that, he jumps on top of the main control panel and uses one of his legs to push a few buttons. "Thank you for pressing the self-destruct mechanism," the computer's voice intones. "This ship will self-destruct in three minutes." "I may not be able to assimilate the planet now, Ravens," Guod chuckles, "but I will have another chance. For now, I can at least finish you. Perish with my Devastator." He pops a rocket booster out of his neck a la Coyote's head and takes off through a hole in the ship's ceiling. Doug activates his hover belt and chases after his clone, and Kitainia climbs the wall and takes off to glide after him. The other Ravens move to follow, but Shauna throws up a hand to stop them. "Guys, we can't fly!" she shouts. "Besides, didn't you hear the computer? We need to get out of here!" They all nod in agreement and then rush out of the control room for the nearest ship exit. All the way, the computer is counting down the time to self-destruct.
**TO BE CONTINUED, END THIS BIT OF RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:32:47 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-242.dlls.grid.net
Christine> Thanks for the info! I look forward to the update... every state I visit I check up for the comics, and no one has them!
Wilek> Oh. I hope she's back soon.
Xanathar> 23? *drooooool* Care to reveal your picture? ;)
Robby> Chilli Vanilli???? HHHAAAAAHHHHHAAAA!!!!!! I can see it now... my home town (good old Carrollton) proudly saying that Chilli Vanilli grew up here!
Warpmind> Hey hey, cute looking pic on that site ;)
Man, I'm doing a lot of winking today! Must've been that dunk in the pool!
SOROW
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:18:47 PM
IP: usr11-dialup214.mix1.irving.cw.net
Warpmind: STOP YELLING AT ME! I haven't even been able to get anywhere near the computer since last night. First, see, I was doing this little thing called "sleeping," and I've been at work for the past eight hours! I was just checking the room before dinner. I'll email you the descriptions later tonight.
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:04:47 PM
IP: wire-15.koalas.com
Got Oberon problems, the answer is simple. Bind him in iron, the more the better. Prepare a Saturn 5 rocket for launch, toss the bound Oberon into the space capsule, also lined with iron, and launch tje thing into a trajectory that takes it out of the solor system. No more Oberon problems.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 08:13:35 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp78.fltg.net
Gargs toys> Click my name. I don't know who did this or how it was done, but it's about a zillion times better than Kenner's atrocious No-neck Brooklyn.
Warpmind> $<<Oh, and y'all participants in the Hunt: You want yer e-mail adresses there, or not? Let me know.>> I'd rather not, thanks. Oh, and the site is intensely kewl, especially the cast descriptions! ^_^$
Real post (with an orgy of violence directed at Mr. Disconnect and others) later.
Wilek
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:54:46 PM
IP: tnt-3-119-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
**** BEGIN RP! ****
[In the middle of the Devastator's control room, the scene opens on the clash of Jessesondra and Two-of-One, as they battle amid the crash of energy and metal...]
Snarling, the female Borg launches one set of assimilation tentacles after another at her sister, only to see them turned back again and again by some rippling energy field. She gets a flash of recognition, remembering the same field that protected Big Jake and Travler from her first encounter.
"That shield! No energy form is immune to our assimilation probes!"
Jess grins. "Gravametric Shields! A little something I whipped up after you were lost to me, sister!"
"GrrraaaH! Don't CALL me that!" the Borg howls. "I serve Master Guod! I serve the Collective!"
"Well, serve me a hamburger!" Jess snaps, cutting loose with a blast of hot, white light. The shot misses, cutting down a stray Drone behind them.
**** PAUSE RP ****
COYOTE & ALL CONCERNED - Nothing is wrong with me, Big Bud! Just a chronic case of exhaustion from not having worked 8 hour shifts before! And Thursday nights at Ron's are a big to-do, since a lot of classic car enthusiasts come around to show off their restored rigs. :) In short, those nights get BIG food orders! I've never seen so many burgers, chicken, fries, and other edibles go out so fast!
So, I'm still alive and healthy. I just needed a night or two of sleep to recover.
CHRISTINE - I just wish I could show off those cross-overs to publishers, so I could get some book contracts! :) Seriously though, I learned from when I started writing fanfic that if I wanted to do crossovers, I had to have three things in mind:
1) Be a fan of both universes/shows/etc.
2) Have near-omniscense(?) & knowledge of all the characters (i.e. how the talk, act/react, etc.)
3) Have a PLAUSIBLE means/plot to bring the two together!
In my opinion, "Planet X"'s writer failed on all three precepts.
And BTW, thanks again for the vote of support, Christine! :) A little boost like that makes my day!
COMMENT ON THE G-MAN - I too grew up watching all of those old "Rubber Monster" Movies: Godzilla, Ghidora, The Flying, Fire-breathing Turtle (I forget his name), and shows like Ultraman and Battle of the Space Giants. In fact, one of my all-time favorite Godzilla movies is "Goldzilla vs. Megalon", which co-stared Jet-Jaguar. (BTW, MST3k did a viewing of this movie, doing a little spoof bit with the lead Japanese actor from the movie, renaming him "Rex Dart: Eskimo Spy!").
But, as far as the modern Godzilla goes, it was both good and bad. For one, it did have some of the pacing of the old movies (where you didn't see the monster until half of the movie had gone by), and I still thing the SFX for the new monster were okay (nothing beats the classic though!). The only bad parts I thought were the dozens of little 'Zilla's (screams of JP Raptors there!), and the way they finially killed the monster at the end. I mean come ON! He takes heavy caliber chain-gun rounds from Apaches, torpedoes from subs, but what kills him in the end is a few Sidewinders from some aircraft?!? The Old Godzilla could swat down those jets and take all of their missiles and cannon fire without any trouble! :/ Ah, well, overall it was a good 1 popcorn movie.
Well, that's all from me for now... and so...
**** BACK TO THE RP! ****
The battle rages on between the two sisters, but Jessesandra has the upper hand, thanks to her GM-Shielding. Two-of-One does get in some shots, mostly the blasts from her weapons create shockwaves that knock Jess off her feet, but slowly the female drone is weakening.
"Had enough, Elessandra?" the silver-haired woman taunts, readying another spell-blast.
Two-of-One goes blaslitic. "NEVER CALL ME THAT!!! THAT NAME MEANS NOTHING! YOU MEAN NOTHING TO ME!!" She triggers another shot, but Jess dodges the bullet in time.
"Then, there's no hope for you," Jess mutters. Shouting out, she gets Big Jake's attention. "JAKE! Toss me that special gaget I've been saving!"
The big man pauses in the middle of helping Doug and the Ravens battle with Guod, before reaching down to pull a round object from Sara Jane's saddlebag. "Here you go, Jess!" Tossing the object to her, he turns to add his firepower to that of the Ravens.
Neatly catching the object, Jess tries once more to reason with Two-of-One. "Last chance for redemption on your own, sister."
Panting and sparking, Two-of-One sneers, "I'd rather be killed!"
"Not an option!" Jess barks, raising her hand to fire off one more blast of power. The shot strikes the female drone dead-center, throwing her back several feet. Before it can recover, Jess winds up her throwing arm, and let's the object fly.
"POKE'Ball... GO!!!"
The special capture ball--colored blue and white instead of red and white--soars over to the downed Borg, spliting open to bathe her in a wash of red light. With a scream, Two-of-One is sucked into the Poke'Ball, which bounces along the deck, back towards Jessesandra like a yo-yo on a string.
Recovering it, Jess watches as the monitor lens flashes in time to the violent rocking inside... until at last, the lens turns from red to green.
"Got her!" Jess says, a note of finality in her voice. She then makes a waving motion over her head, as one of her teleport spells wraps around her.
Across the way, as Doug and the Ravens are watching the Demise of the Borg Justice System, Jake turns in time to see Jess make her disappearance. He blinks, but smiles inwardly.
[Scene closes with Jake, still astride Sara Jane, looking at the spot where the battle took place...]
**** END RP (FOR NOW) ****
Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:35:37 PM
IP: m20.ieway.com
AIRWALKER - I just saw that site, and I've got to agree with you; good thing that they rejected Devlin's script. Had almost nothing to do with the series, other than Goliath being in it. (The army of zombies and evil spirits that Goliath has to face in the end might not be such a bad idea in itself, but definitely give Goliath more reason to oppose them than just people out celebrating in Times Square!)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, August 7, 1999 06:41:18 PM
IP: 205-242-93-72.dialup-stl.primary.net
Warpmind>Love 'Joyride of Blood'! Very ass kicking! When you're done with the Backstreeet Boys and Hanson, could you go after my sister? >:)
Mary Flanders
Saturday, August 7, 1999 06:31:54 PM
IP: ramp-1-1.ucdavis.edu
Okay, the Joyride page is as complete as I can make it at this time. Click my name. Oh, and Pistoff: GET ME THOS DESCRIPTIONS!!!
Oh, and y'all participants in the Hunt: You want yer e-mail adresses there, or not? Let me know.
As for now: click my name to enter the Joyride of Blood!
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 05:49:00 PM
IP: mp-217-226-206.daxnet.no
VISIT STATION 8!
VISIT STATION 8!
TRAVELER, SPACEBABIE - Dean Devlin is no longer working on the Gargoyles Movie. Originally he did submit a script that has been mentioned here and is up at a Coming Attractions Website, but it was rejected.
I'm not suprised since if you read the synopsis of what he wrote, it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to anything we've ever seen in the series. In fact the only connection is the word Gargoyles in the title. That's it.
TIM P - I would have liked to set the movie somewhere along the line in Gargoyles continuity but for a first movie of a property that doesn't have that much exposure among the general public, it's probably best to start at the very beginning. Whatever makes it to the screen is going to end up being an AWAKENINGS redo of some sort.
I hope that what they do run's as close as possible to the original continuity that we have seen, with perhaps more examination of Human/Gargoyle relations in 994 to give more understanding to Demona's betrayal as well as more examination of the clan's exploration of the new world they end up in when they wake up as well as a little more exploration of the Goliath/Elisa relationship than could have been done in the original version as well.
Everything that is necessary to tell an origin story is already there. All that a new movie script has to do is expand on the original in some places, add some more information and a few more scenes for better flow and maybe add or change some dialogue here and there. And even that's really unnecessary since the original version was done well enough the first time. The only reason to put any changes in to begin with is just for the sake of making a live action movie a little different from what's already been done.
(I really hope that whoever is working on this new script at least has taken the time to watch AWAKENINGS 1-5 if not the whole of the first season. It wouldn't take that much time and would help any writer greatly.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:54:57 PM
IP: 104.new-york-33-34rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
*Bronx comes out from two weeks of lurking in the CR*
Okay, just a short post, in responce of the Gargoyles movie:
Recently as some of you know I went out to California. A member of my family works for Disney writing scripd for them. Anyway, (Not to sound like I'm boasting) I got the chance to read potential movies... and some of them were pretty good. Now, Onto the news about the Gargoyles movie. I asked about how it was going so far, and the answer was that there plans are coming together and hopefully a script will evolve when everyone gets their act together.
That's my news! Straight from at least one good source..
Green Baron> Hey! I'm sorry that I signed off so quickly the other day. AOL has not been so kind to me in the past few days! Anyway I hope to talk to you soon again :)
That's all for now! cya.
"Twidle blane and Twidle brain? If it's all the same I'll play your game!"
Bronx Wyvern - [bronx4me@aol.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:52:39 PM
IP: spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com
Traveler (No relation to the Traveler who posts in grey I take it?)- How can you judge Godzilla to be a "crappy movie" if you never have and never will see it? Thats like judging Iron Giant or Last Action Hero by the previews. The previews and reviews for both movie were terrible, but the movies were great. And I rather liked Godzilla myself.
As far as Taco Bell Gargoyles, that would be absolutley friggin' great! If the gargs were in a single taco bell commercial with the Chiwawa, they would get more coverage and commercial time than they ever did with Disney's commericials! And more people would pay attention too!
Robby
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:32:00 PM
IP: spider-ti043.proxy.aol.com
I grew up with Godzilla and Devlin ruined it for me bymaking a crappy movie , one that I have never and will never see. And now he's going to ruin gargoyles by making a movie of it. This is insane. What's next taco bell gargoyles?
There can be only one traveler.
traveler - [goliath01]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, August 7, 1999 03:35:44 PM
IP: proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net
Mary> Oops. Here's the EM. Sorry 'bout that. It's funny... we're both currently working on a fanfic entitled "New Blood" that's driving us both nuts (although mine's a Buffy fic, but it's still funny.)
BTW, anyone else have a little trouble loading the GFW fic archive? That is, the computer takes forever to load the table? My PC's two years old now, but it's not quite obsolete... just wondering.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 03:16:18 PM
IP: pm3-3-ppp21.iximd.com
Spacebabie> <br>Does anyone here like Anime also? - Yes. I'm a big fan. Do you do fansubs, or stick with domestic releases?
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:30:16 PM
IP: pppa41-fortworthc9-4r5191.saturn.bbn.com
Devlin's making the movie???After he messed up Godzilla?!?!? Scheaaa you know what? UH UH! sorry but I have principals. I do have a question. why isnt there an image of Fox in the images? She is an important character to the sereis. I'm <br>A lot of other Sci-fi fans here. Thats cool
<br>Does anyone here like Anime also?
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:22:00 PM
IP: ts003d36.orl-fl.concentric.net
are=as (kicks typo demon)
James Birdsong
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:15:52 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
I agree with SJ . The gargoyles movie should be animated , but it should be more graphic . I hope that it gets at least a PG-13 rating. I would like for it to take place after "the journey " episode, and for Greg Weisman to be at least a producer for the film . He created the series , gave it life, he should help in some way.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:12:42 PM
IP: proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net
Xanathar and Aaron > hate to expose my ignorance (or maybe it's lack-of-sleep brain melt), but who's SPG?
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:21:45 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net
MST3K Finale> Yeah, it's a sad state of affairs to know the show is going for good...and so many bad flicks that they haven't touched yet.
Well, I've found at least one group of mystie fans that's keeping the show alive by doing their own versions of the show. They have put out two tapes already, lambasting Star Trek 5 in their first one and Highlander 2 in the second. You can only find them through some of those convention video dealers, but both movies were in need of this...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:19:01 PM
IP: uv1-53.ultravision.net
**a flight of ROTC cadets marches into the CR. One of the cadets with a blue wrap around his left shoulder starts chanting "Left, left, left, right, left..." then he turns his head to the group of new cadets. "Flight, hault." The group stops but one short girl is alittle off step.
The male cadet does an about face and is looking at the cadets. "Flight, parade rest." The whole group puts their hand together (right thumb over left) and puts their hands below the butt with their feet about 45 degrees apart. The short girl cadet smiles slightly and looks at the others in the CR**
Sorry I haven't been posting lately, my ROTC classes were taking up my time. As you can tell I'm known as Cadet Airman (I was promoted Thursday!) Heather Haskett. **is still talking but with her eyes looking ahead.** Anyway, Happy Birthday Robby. **smiles slightly** You should be getting your package any day soon.
**looks ahead and sighs slightly. The male cadet (Known as Cadet Senior Master Sergeant Jeff Prater, cutie. But he's a junior.) yells. "Flight, Black Knights dismiss." The flight takes a step back and does an about face with their right arm in the air yelling "Knights!"
****BYE***
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:21:02 PM
IP: abd2bf8f.ipt.aol.com
Mandolin>Like I said before, I need your EM Addy so I can send it to you. I don't know when I'll be putting up the teaser on the Net.
Mary Flanders
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:10:00 PM
IP: ramp-1-29.ucdavis.edu
Gargoyles Movie: You all probably know how I feel about this film regarding to direction and production, but I'd like to ut up my 2 cents cents about the writing.
I wouldn't mind the film taking up where TGC left off for the sake of continuity, but I'd rather see it take up after "The Journey." I'm currently working on a screenplay style fan-fiction series that I'm hoping that will lead me to create a couple of screenplays that I could submit to Touchtone Pictures. It's unlikely, I know, but it's got to be better than that god forsaken script by Dean Devlin.
MY SCRIPT IDEAS
The first one is an adapted screenplay (like Terrence Malick's "Thin Red Line"), based largely on Reeve's script, only it expands what happened to Demona in those 1000 years of lonliness. It would be good for introducing Gargoyles to the general public (which the studios would like), but doesn't do anything to advance the TV show. Rating: Moderate violence and possible drug use(it involves Brookyn's dicovery of underground altnernative dance clubs ;), PG-13.
The second one I've been been thinking of is an original screenplay that takes up after "The Journey." It will prabably be a rehash of the BioHazard screenplay I've been working on. Contempory but brutal. If I ever get the friggin' thing done that is. One problem is that the general audience will probably be very unfamiliar with the gargoyles. This can be overcome by introducing a couple of new characters with fairly important roles in the film. That way, as the new characters become familier to the clan, so does the audience. This version would also expand onto the TV series, so that it would be more popular to the fans. Rating: Grab your rubber gloves, this one's gonna get messy. It's like STAR WARS meets X-FILES meets FULL METAL JACKET. Most likely edited to a PG-13. If I directed; R.
Tim P.
Saturday, August 7, 1999 11:38:32 AM
IP: s23-onawa.pionet.net
Dags> Ouch, people are idiots... unfortunately, my mother did something similar. She offered to take back the video I rented from Blockbuster on time, and she did - to the Blockbuster on the wrong side of town. I found out about it three days later, and didn't have to pay the fine once it was straightened out. I did phone the Blockbuster across town to verify that they had it, and since it was a Blockbuster, and they had it on record, everything was okay. But what kind of moron returns a movie to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT video store chain? Glad that dumbass didn't get away with it. :)
Mary> **uses the "find" button to find the first post regarding your fics** This is what I get for trying to play catchup. I'd like to see that teaser too.
**REVIEW OF "MYSTERY MEN" FOLLOWS - SPOILERS!**
I was sort of afraid that this film would get a little too dumb going into it. Great cast, pretty wacky premise, lots of special effects - well, that usually has potential for stupidity as well as a good comedy. Fortunately, those fears weren't realized. Even Paul Reubens as the Spleen was funnier than I expected, since jokes about flatulence tend to get old for me (anyone else think he sounded a lot like Shelly the evil babysitter from South Park?) The entire ensemble cast managed to be pretty hysterical without overshadowing the others. Kel Mitchell was all right as the Invisible Boy, Ben Stiller was pretty funny (and got better as the movie went along), and only William H. Macy could have delivered those lines so perfectly deadpan. Janeane Garofalo and Hank Azaria were the best, IMO, just because of dealing with their respective parents - dead or otherwise. This was one of those movies that benefited from cheesiness, although it wasn't entirely predictable; as smarmy as Greg Kinnear played him, I was surprised at what happened to Captain Amazing. I didn't think the writers had the guts to do that. :)
**END REVIEW!**
Okay, have to free up the phone line.
Mandolin
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:30:17 AM
IP: pm3-1-ppp23.iximd.com
SEVARIUS JR - You wrote: [Actually, Vertigo is starting to scare me. Lately, they've been placing some restrictions upon some of their artists. Recently, Warren Ellis left Hellblazer because of this, and because DC butchered a story he did for the series called "Shoot" about violence in schools (it was written before Columbine).]
I heard about that. As usual the problem wasn't with DC/Vertigo editorial, it came from higher up at the executive level. According to Warren Ellis, Veritgo editorial stood by him completely on the matter and the book got pulled by a higher authority.
Whenever I hear about something like this, it just makes me hate executives more and more. Can't they understand that people are able to distinguish the difference between real life and a story that is based on real life situations? Do they really think that people are that dumb that they need to be protected from any sort of story that has similarities to real life? Most of us can think for ourselves and don't need some executive to do it for us.
You wrote: [I don't really have any hope of this movie ever airing. It's been at least a couple years since TGC was
canceled, and to be honest, the target audience (i.e. kids) has one heck of a high rate of return. The brutal truth is that today's youngsters may have begun to forget about our beloved clan, choosing to worship at the altar of Pokemon and other shows.]
Kids are a fickle audience. They'll return to anything that seems interesting no matter how much time has passed. Transformers went off the air in the 80's and still has an audience now. Voltron disappeared for 15 years and now has an audience again. I'm sure that in the wake of the new Inspector Gadget movie that there is going to be a new Inspector Gadget cartoon that will draw in an audience. Gargoyles has been gone for 3 years and is still being shown on a disney channel. It has a much better chance than any of those shows to come back if a movie is made. At the very least a movie should open up the option of another format for the story like comics or novels which while not as good as being on television, is definetly better than nothing.
The only thing that has to be done is to market it correctly. Instead of aiming this Gargoyles movie at younger audiences, aim it at teenagers and young adults, the audience that would appreciate the type of show that Gargoyles was when it was on television. That's the problem, Disney seems to only want to aim at young audiences, and that makes them neglect other older targets.
(As for Pokemon I have to say that when I first heard about it, I refused to watch. But it gets so much coverage on the WB that I couldn't escape it. At the end of everything, while there is zero plot and it's best for a really young audience to watch, I have to admit that most of those Pokemon are pretty cute and if you have absolutely nothing better to do, it's not bad fluff to spend a few minutes on.)
I do wish that they would get the movie done. But they seem to be constantly working on the script from all the information that we have got. I would rather that they take their time and come up with a good script rather than just put anything out so that they can have the movie come out faster. I rather have quality over speed. This is the gamble on which the possible immediate ressurection of the show rests on. (If the movie doesn't come out or doesn't do well, then it's possible Gargoyles could go the way of Voltron and take 15 or so years to come back to the air.)
JEB - You wrote: [*I* wrote that, he was referencing that, thank you. ;P]
Sorry. I saw Xanathar write something on that and since this room is usually so huge, I don't have the time to go back and check who was originally asking the question.
You wrote: [(How about an exploding Coyote? Wouldn't that be fun? :D)]
Actually rather than an exploding Cyoti, how about one that comes packaged with it's own steel beam? (Hey Kids! Now you can be just like Goliath and ram a steel beam right through any version of Cyoti that you like! Don't like Cyoti 2.0? NO problem! Stick a steel beam into him and watch him immediately fall apart!)
ENTITY - You wrote: [Well, first of all the animation in "Awakenings", while good, is nowhere near the high-budgeted quality of a Disney feature film, which audiences would expect.]
Disney would never market any Gargoyles animated film under the name Disney. So the public wouldn't be looking so much for Disney style since they wouldn't exactly see Disney in big letters. It wouldn't be DISNEY'S GARGOYLES like it was DISNEY'S HERCULES or DISNEY'S THE LION KING, it would just be GARGOYLES.
Anyway, Gargoyles could never have the same style as any Disney movie since all of those movies are usually these light happy things that have bright colors and take place in daylight. Gargoyles by the very nature of it's characters can only take place at night and sets the whole tone for the movie. It could never be anything like Disney movies.
You wrote: [Secondly, "Awakenings" is a set-the-stage story, not explosive enough to hold its own as a theatrical release. It would need to be totally revamped. Disney would rather dumb it down, make it funnier, make it faster, and make it more eye-boggling. Can you really blame them that much, though?]
It doesn't have to be changed that much. Some extra footage here and there could be added to make the breaks between episodes flow better and perhaps add some character moments here and there but it starts off, tells a story, and gives an ending that demands that there be further exploration but can be left where it is in a movie. It's always going to be darker than traditional Disney and they can't do anything about it without changing the name of the show from GARGOYLES to DUCK TALES.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, August 7, 1999 10:24:50 AM
IP: 205.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
A heartfelt greeting to all noble, fine inhabitants of the CR!
I am now almost done with the Joyride site, all that I lack is the casting page; I am also foreseeing the need to update frequently :( However, if you click my name, you will be taken directly to what I have there presently. Oh, and Pistoff: Hurry up with that description of yourself, Jack and Cthulhu!
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:35:32 AM
IP: mp-217-228-121.daxnet.no
Avalon Sucession> If Oberon dies I hope Danu appoints Anubis the new king. He's so serious unlike the prankster fey and he like her respects the other two races are more then animals or pets ?:-)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:33:19 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
Wilek>Actually, I haven't placed it on the Net yet. I don't plan to until I finish writing my sequel to 'New Blood' (though the very idea of trying to work on that damn thing makes me want to bang my head against a wall). If you want to read it, just tell me your EM Addy and I'll send it to you. :)
Robby>You have summer reading? All I read all summer is either a history book for summer school or Gargs fanfics. :)
Mary Flanders
Saturday, August 7, 1999 09:10:21 AM
IP: ramp-1-17.ucdavis.edu
I also got something to add about Oberon:
Most folks in here cursed im an A$$-hole, and they were definitely right, but he doesn't seem to be a greater A$$-hole than the average fay.
It was criticesed he didn't offer any real help...Titania also didn't, she just cared for those who might offer a better protection for Alex, but she didn't seem to waste a thougt about all the other victims. Why, after all, they were just mortals, and she still considers them inferior creatures, toys worth to die for a second a elfish amusement. Oberon didn't have any realives that would need protection, otherwise he would have granted the same help as Titania. Titania even risked that her daughters child would be taken away from his parents, just to awaken his powers (it could have failed, it seems she just wanted to show off with Alex 'Ah, look a that, it's MY grandson, how clever he is, what a good magic user he is...there are lots of parents treating their kids that way, seeing them as a mere investment and perstige object than living beeings). Her attitude towards mortals was even for Oberon a reason to banish her, unlike Titania, at least he doen't want to interfere with mortal business (he just breaks his word whenever it is more convinient, though).
And, unlike Titanie who just stands in the back manipulating and lying, he still got as much honor to face the consequneces of his own actions. (If Titania would have fought the duell on Avalon against the three Gargoyles, she would have certainly, after beeing defeated, put all the blame on the weird sisiter for they tricked her into that fight), but (after the the begging for mercy, what probably everyone would have done in this situation), Oberon could face his defeat. Every good villain faces the consequences of his actions (for example Darth Vader, THE Archvillain)
So, if there is a fay to be looked down at, whose character seems unworthy without any moral standards, it is probably Titania, she just manipulates the situation that in the end, she doesn't appear as the villain she is.
By moral standars, she seems to deserve death more than Oberon, but considering the Gargoyles universe, there aren't so many 'good' villains, so that she probably shpuldn't be killed (though it would probably make the world a better place).
Michael Heitz - [michael_heitz@bluewin.de]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 08:55:52 AM
IP: stu1id1a.ip.tesion.net
TO THE JOYRIDE SQUAD:
It seems I don't need you to send me any Joyride posts after all, I managed to get everything so far, and I've stashed it into one single text file. Now, all I gotta do is proofread and rewrite it slightly, so that we get something more fluent out of it. Bear in mind that I intend no alterations of neither dialogue nor events, merely layout.
Still waiting for your description, Pistoff.
Until later, gotta keep working on the Joyride page.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 08:29:06 AM
IP: mp-217-238-192.daxnet.no
COMICS - I'm afraid that I don't know enough about the comics industry to be able to give a worthwhile comment on what would be the best route from the economic perspective, but I do see "Gargoyles" as more suited for a graphic novel from the point of view of its style. (I was watching my tape of "Avalon Part Two" that night, and that was definitely the tone that I got from it).
SUCCESSION TO AVALON - Could Titania actually succeed Oberon? I mean, she's only part of the Royal Family by marriage. After all, when, to give an example, Henry VIII died, Catherine Parr (his sixth wife and the one that survived him) didn't become the new ruler of England. Alex would have to be ruled out similarly as only descended from Titania, not from Oberon.
But of course, at present, it's a moot point. (My own uneasy feeling though is that if Oberon were to die, Avalon would be torn asunder by ambitious faerie nobles all contending for the throne, just like what happened in Britain between Uther Pendragon's death and Arthur becoming King via the Sword in the Stone).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:39:06 AM
IP: 205-242-191-124.dialup-stl.primary.net
Hi y'all.
Xanathar: I've been where you were last night. During my first year in a dorm (small building, four students and a Senior Citizen lived there), there was a near-constant state of Party in the apartment just below mine. At the hours between midnight and three AM, the music of choice could be heard about three clicks away, due to a decibel around 90. Me? I usually went to bed around 11PM, and slept through the whole thing. I awoke only once at night that year, namely when someone managed to pick the lock to my room. I sensed someone invading my private space, awoke, and went pure bugshit. Berserk doesn't cover the state of mind I was in then. Fortunately, I didn't hurt the bastard... much beyond the injuries he gained when flipping over the railing at the stairs. Please note that not only did he survive without lasting damages, he also is one of the people on this planet who fear me the most :) Anyway, as I said, Xanathar, I'll bet we're much alike there; we can sleep through anything, as long as nobody invades our private airspace...
Well, anough of true stories for now... maybe even a Joyride later, when I've managed to collect more in sequence. AND written something on the cast.
Later, dudes.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 07:13:07 AM
IP: mp-217-229-122.daxnet.no
Hi all!
Thank you to everybody who wished me a happy birthday and thanks for the kisses SOROW:) 23 years old,I don't know weather to be happy or depressed.
Coyote:Presses the remote and a chocolate cake appears,Thanks Coyote:)
Happy Birthday Lady Ariana!
Interesting story,last night police were outside of my house with tracking dogs looking for a burgular in the neighborhood and they found him in my backyard, they set the dogs on him and then beat him up and finally carted him off,the worst thing about this is that I SLEPT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING!!
I'm not making any of this up it happened.
Wilek:I'd like to order a Sly Sludge death,he got to me the other day(my life seems to be interesting lately)
Warpmind:I'll get my stats over to you ASAP BTW Loved what you've done with the Joyride site so far,that musics good in a happy sadistic way>:)
Aaron:We'd gottent the similarities up to the fact that they were both cranky, indestructable redheads with metal things on their forheads. Then whoever it was said something about comparing Jerico and SPG, but since I hadn't read Christine's fics yet, I didn't get it.*LOL* and from what I've heard of Christine's fics the comparison between Jerico and SPG is pretty accurate;)
Airwalker:I'd choose either the monthly magazine or the trade paperback.
Spacebabie:Welcome!
SJ:See you when you get back.
**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Having just left the ticket booth the Joyriders make their way into the concert itself,when they get there they are confronted with at least a thousand jock's,airheads and other assorted wastes of oxygen of various descriptions partying down to the music of Hanson and the Backstreet Boys.
The music suddenly stops as the teen singers notice the motley crew at the back of the crowd "What are you freak's doin' here?"said one of the Backstreet Boys as all the eyes in the concert hall focused on the Joyriders.
"We've come to settle a score"said Xanathar pulling his twin-bladed chainsaw out of it's shoulder holster.
"And have fun doin' it" said Wilek pulling out a massive gun.
Panic ensues in the crowd as The Joyriders charge into them
THIS IS GOING TO GET BLOODY>:)
**To be Continued**
C'yas'later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Saturday, August 7, 1999 06:32:10 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
*Dances in, totally ot of rythm.*
Hi everyone. For the Joyride passengers, I'd just like to say: Glad to see such enthusiasm. I'm already done with the Background page, clickie clickie, and some of the imagery. Wilek, with your permission, I'll use the picture you mentioned of you and Miriam for the character description page. Oh, and Pistoff and Xanathar, please, send a picture of Cthulhu as well ;)
And finally, Wilek: I'm sorry about your allergy, bit I *did* leave the window open :)
Okay, gotta try to catch up with the lates Joyride installments...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 7, 1999 04:34:22 AM
IP: mp-217-229-122.daxnet.no
Scary thought- Vanilla Ice stages a full scale comeback as "Chilli Vanilli"...
Ooh, strange creativity demon. Go away! **Sigh** Suppose that happens when one spends an HOUR making a post and hits the submit button only to just then be kicked off AOL! I'd give DC a fitting death, but I haven't the time...
Entertainment news! Hey, SJ can't be the only one who does this... Basically it seems the Matrix was originally planned to be a trilogy, and parts 2 and 3 are going to be filmed simuntaneously with what remained of the original cast, and then the movies will come out a couple of months within each other... Spiffy... I think...
Gargs toys- No-neck Brooklyn... **Shudder** At least the first generation Mighty Ducks figures were good...
TGS eps- If things go according to schedual, Dark Ages season 2 will likely start in September. (The deadline I have for art for the first story is August 18th, so if that's any indication...)
Garg comic- I'd love for Archie to get their hands on it and turn it over to the guys who did Ninja Turtles. Those people did great stories, with characters who had personality, setting, heroes and villains, romance, epic scale and small scale stories, world travel, a bit of subtle edutainment, and great art... What I would give for that comic to come back with its old team... (With Greg doing the head writing of course.) In otherwords, motnhly comic of 32 pages for the current Archie rate of 1.79 with TPB every now and again would be wonderful.
Mary Flanders- I'm interested, but I'm a bit busy at the moment. Between TGS work and last minute summer reading...
SJ- Brooklyn having a crush on Demona pre-Temptation? Hmm... Considering Christine's take on that episode...
Jeb- Thanks. It may go better in a post birthday party this weekend with a couple of buddies and a movie...
David G- If you cut Episode One's special effects back to the original and say it was the first movie... There NEVER would have been a second. Jar Jar would have been even more horrifying without the original movies to safeguard against it, and the ENTIRE plot about Anakin becomign a Jedi would lose a lot since at the time we wouldn't know about Vader. Add the lack of villains and this movie has nothing going for it other than name.
MST3K finale? I know where I'll be Sunday...
Gee, my original post was much longer and had more to say. Oh well... **Gives DC the evil eye.**
Robby
Saturday, August 7, 1999 03:08:54 AM
IP: spider-wm013.proxy.aol.com
The sow's demise? The SOW'S demise??!?!?!? AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! #$@#^$@$#*&^!!!! That's supposed to be "the SHOW'S demise"! **bangs head on desk, passes out, but somehow manages to click "submit" anyway....*
Pissy
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:56:37 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com
SJ: My condolences on your upcoming family bonding. We're hoping you can make it through with a minimum of psychological damage. And I agree about MST3K: It just wasn't the same after Joel, Dr. Forrester and Frank left. Still, I'll be sad to see it go. The sow's demise is premature, to put it mildly. There are soooo many crappy movies that need to be verbally bludgeoned! And there always will be more. Because of this, MST3K should've gone on forever. And your scenario about what might happen if I read Planet X was pretty accurate :) except that I wouldn't kill the publisher immediately. I'd punish him first. And if you remember some of the punishment suggestions I threw in here a while back, you'll know it'll be a beautiful thing to behold. :D
Gargoyles movie: Well, this should absolutely be an animated movie, but it doesn't necessarily need to be geared toward kids. The TV series had a lot of complex, sophisticated content, and that's what drew us all to it. If Disney would just grow a set of balls and make it an adult-geared movie, with a rating of at least PG-13, and if it had a decent script that didn't have any of the airheaded kiddie-oriented lines of dialogue...but that's probably wishful thinking. :(
Dags: Well, the latest G2K story is in production as we speak. We're somewhere around page 60, by now. It looks like it's gonna be another long one. I'd give you an estimate on when it'll be finished, but every time I did that for the last one, we always missed the deadline. So all I can really say with any degree of accuracy is...soon. :) And as for your work rant, I share your pain, bud. I'd like to find out where all these dip$h!ts come from, so I can send 'em back....
Wilek: I agree about the Jar Jar thing. If they had played him as a tragic character, he could still have been goofy, but maybe the silliness could've been his attempt to hide from his own inner pain. And if you'd like more info on Dr. Hu, he appears in my story, "The Far End of the Dark Side." Just picture this one--Brooklyn delivering pizzas...with Jack Hammer!! <eg> :) The stuff Dr. Hu builds is mostly black-market items, custom jobs and so on. His rates are pretty reasonable, and he doesn't ask questions. :P And...hmm...cereal bowl, eh? <g> Yummy!
Gargoyles toys: I remember seeing some sort of "assault glider" or something like that...and the picture on the box showed Goliath riding it! When the hell did he ever ride some kind of Blade Runner flying bike?!?! Those toy manufacturers had their heads lodged in their colons.
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:54:29 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com
Wilek> Thanx a ton for the link. I had never been by that movie page before. I usually adhere to Dark Horizons or the IMDb. It was refreshing to see so much coverage on GARGOYLES. Very reassuring. Somehow, even if the movie's in Development Hell, seeing some news on it at a real movie site is very comforting, as if it confirms the reality of it. Unfortunately, the experuence was not all fun.
***WARNING: RANT***
I read the summary for Devlin's script, and I am at a loss for words... How do you describe something so horrific.... so unbelievable.... so pathetic.... so terrifying.... If the script had been of any other run-of-the-mill movie I'd just have a bad taste in my mouth, but this is GARGOYLES. Devlin took our show and mutilated it into the likeness of regurgitated CRAP. He is EVIL. I HATE HIM. I never liked any of his and Emmerich's movies much anyway, but now... he's hit close to home.
Rejected or not, he PROPOSED that sick, putrid script. He told us that he had seen the series, that he thought it was good, that he hoped that we'd like his adaptation.... all this while writing (oh, do I romanticize the process by calling it THAT?) that hellish garbage. How can he SLEEP at night?!
The only explanation can be that GARGOYLES was Devlin's first victim (dare I say first?) in his pact with Satan.
I hope to God that Greg and Reeves would've jumped ship the instant that thing hit the table. I certainly wouldn't want anything validating that it is linked to our show.
***END RANT***
Sorry all, I had to vent.
Hmmm....seems there were other things I planned on addressing, but thanx to THAT my thoughts have scattered...
Entity
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:34:50 AM
IP: ely-oh4-02.ix.netcom.com
Picture tonight in honor of an absent friend, and because I'm feeling slightly maudalin (which doesn't look like it's spelled right)
Barely able to get online at all tonight. Very frustrating. Should write in complete sentences. OK, enough of that. Here's something different:
Delphi> If they're my creativity demons, I need them back. I'm kind of hung up here. The ones I have left are evil. They gave me this great idea for a completely different episode 3 of Freelance when the current version was almost half finished. (Actually, Denis helped, by trying to fix up James and Glorianna...)
I'm waiting to see the rest of your story. You've got me curious, which is a good sign.
Fleur> Wow, that must have been traumatic. I hope you're OK.
Anybody else who addressed me> I'm sorry if I've missed any comments. I'm trying to cut back on Internet fun at work, and I've been having trouble with connection at home (Just in time for a depleated bank account).
Comments on Star Wars> I've been listening to the debate about TPM, and I have one little hypothetical question: In your minds, scale back the special effects, make Jar Jar a guy in a laytex suit, and cast a bunch of no name actors. Now carry that image back to 1977, and put it in the theater where you saw Star Wars for the first time. Just for a while, erase all the hype, all the expectations, and all the emotional weight. Now, if you can do that, tell me, was it a good movie?
See, the point is that Lucas was trying to make a movie that people were expecting to live up to a shift in the cenimatic paradigm. Star Wars changed movies forever. After it was made, nothing else was ever the same.
I'm witholding my opinion of the movie, since I can't really do what I asked you guys to do in the first paragraph. I just think you should try to consider the shadow it was made under before you condemn it totally. (It's OK to hate Jar Jar, though.)
X-men movie> Lots of scripts need rewrites. In fact, most movies are being re-worked while they're being shot. The fact the movie needs a script doctor doesn't necessaraly mean the final product will be bad (But it probably will. I have a theory that Warner Bros, which owns DC, has an industrial espinoge department designed to sabotoge any Marvel movies that get made).
Fanfic Update (or lack there of)> I'm still working on Hot Lead and Coldsteel, but I'm starting to think that it might be episode 4, instead of episode 3. The story I was going to do for episode 4 might work better in the earlier slot, and the continuity of Hot Lead won't be damaged by being moved, since the other story would only take about a week. So, for all my eager fans (Oh God, please let there be some) when you have to wait an extra month for the next story, remember these things: First, there will be two episodes within days of eachother, and second, the wait was all Denis's fault. He's the one who gave me the idea about James and Anna.
Oh well, it's late, and I'm tired. I'm almost afraid to sign off, though, because it took me half an hour to get connected.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 02:08:20 AM
IP: pppa39-fortworthc7-2r5191.saturn.bbn.com
Kaioto> Glad you and Lexy finally met. ^_^ Hm...I'm worried about Jackal myself. Where *is* he?
Warpmind> $Heh...I'm rather allergic to cigar smoke. :) Oh, and check your e-mail. ^_^ $ <<plus, that was one damn pretty Deltan, or whatever... that bald chick).>> Yeah, she was a Deltan. I think she was played by someone named Persis Khambatta. I think she's dead now. :(
Airwalker> <<I heard a little bit about the Dean Devlin's version of the script that would only star Goliath and has only the word 'Gargoyles' in common with the show. (I never understood, since he wrote a story about one Gargoyle, then why call the show "GargoyleS"?) Is this what your talking about?>> Yup. You've read the summary at Coming Attractions? Ecch. Whoever did that thing should be taken out and eaten alive in an orgy of violence. <<If Gargoyles was to come back officially in a sort of comic form, which would more people in her prefer and which do you think would be possible to be put out without getting cancelled within a month or two>> Probably the third or fourth choice. (Money's not much of an issue for me.) In fact, I think my copy of Dark Empire is something like the fourth one...
Fleur> This...idiot...did...WHAT?!!!!! <GRR> Such idiocy...such unrestrained and unabashed arseholeity...such...ugh, there are no words! I hope you're OK after encountering those chunks of vomit. <<The one where you took the twelve days of christmas and REALLY twisted it>> Ah, that one. Heh, that was one of the most evil and disgusting things I've ever done in my entire life. I just hope that whatever powers that be can forgive such things when they're done to people like Mr. Disconnect. >:)
Ironwolf> <<I mean do you know how painful it is to be resurrected then killed resurrected then killed over and over>> Heh heh heh...if Jackal needs to find *that* out, he need only ask Mr. Disconnect. >:)
Robby> <<Reminds me of the time someone decided it would be fun to drive right over my bike while I was on it. Haven't been able to go bikeriding since, my bike isn't rideable any more.>> YOU were assaulted by some psychopath too?! HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD?!! ARE WE THE ONLY GATHERING OF CULTURED AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE LEFT?!!! <sigh> Sorry, just had to vent that.
All newcomers> Welcome! Renfield, prepare the sanity-extractor! 8D
Mercenary X> Kewl name. ^_^ <<Whens the next eip going to come out for TGS?>> Err...I'm not sure. Staff?
SOROW> <<I believe today is Lady Arianna's birthday... so HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Where are yooouuu????>> She won't have Internet access until about the last of the month (probably, although it could be sooner if we're lucky). :(
Aaron> <<My car died on me, so I had to go through the whole sad ritual of cleaning it out, (Taking the tapes, fuzzy dice, driving gloves, bumper magnet, etc., away) and wondering if this'll be the time I can't afford to fix her anymore.>> Eek. I'm glad you could get it fixed, though. :) <<As for the Gargoyles movie, they're supposed to have a trailer ready to show us at G2K.>> Already? I thought it was still in development! Wow. <<Maybe, but I don't mind repitition. :)>> I can't contain it... AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS DRAGONS!!!!! 8P
Todd> <<one thing I do remember learning about them: their Brooklyn had no neck.>> AUGH! I remember that thing; it was a *travesty*. It looked like...like...I don't know; a penguin? Ugh. Icestorm Brooklyn was much kewler (no pun intended). <<Come to think of it, maybe it's just as well that so many of the other characters, from Angela on down, didn't get action figures made of them, if "No-Neck Brooklyn" is an indication of the accuracy of their depictions>> On the whole, I'm afraid it is. Crimes against Gargoyles: Their Bronx figure had some kind of gliding apparatus, as did their Elisa figure (who was dressed in something other than her usual wardrobe, nearest resembling a Mission Impossible-style getup); their roaring Goliath figure was the *completely* wrong color (and had RED <censored> EYES), I seem to remember reading that their Broadway figure was essentially a hunchback, their Macbeth figure was generally inaccurate, their techsuited Xanatos figure's armor was *green*, <censored> GREEN!, and don't even get me STARTED on their vehicles. Kenner was a bunch of mooks when it came to Gargoyles. It was bad enough that the show was so badly handled by Disney; did the toys have to be so horribly mangled by Kenner? Is a proper treatment of the greatest animated franchise ever TOO <censored> MUCH TO ASK?!! <sigh> Sorry about the rant; I just get slightly upset when I think about this. Sometimes I think the planetary collective stupidity is conspiring against Gargoyles and we who support it. Oh, and something I forgot from last time which is unfortunate because I have a lot to say about it> <<One problem with getting rid of Oberon: who'd take his place?>> Interesting question. I'm not sure what the rules are regarding such things, but either Titania would take the throne or one of Oberon's descendants would. Assuming the latter to be the case, I do believe his only living direct descendant is Emrys, and as someone in here has said, would he want the job? No. So that leaves...Alex. Titania specifically mentioned him as 'Avalon's heir', no? (Or is my memory acting up again?) So he'd inherit it all. But he's too young just now, so guess who his regent would be until he grows up. That's right: Owen.
Daniel Hightower> Interesting ideas. I think I did something like that for my second fic...
Stephen> <<Been having rough nights working, and I just collapsed last night>> Not literally, I hope! If so, then I'm concerned about you.
Coyote> <<Michigan State is the only northern college in the US with a rodeo team.>> Er...a rodeo team?! I...I...[REALITY.SYS CORRUPTED. UNIVERSE HALTED. REBOOT? Y/N]
Delphi> <<Somebodies creative demon's are rubbing off on me, spend another night "seeing" story possiblities, when I really should have been sleeping.>> You do that too? Sometimes I have the kewlest little epiphanies when I'm half asleep or otherwise out of it, and I forget them as soon as I'm in a condition to type them. <sigh>
Spacebabie> <<I hope you find it in your hearts to trust another human...>> But of course! We're very trusting...as long as you're not a psych student experimenting on us...<g>
SJ> <<Oh, and to get off subject and possibly draw the disdain of some CR dwellers, I absolutely loved First Contact. Thought it was the best of the three NextGen movies, and the most fun Trek film since part IV. So there. ;-p>> You thought so too? :) I think FC's my favorite Trek movie. There's just something about the Borg Queen...<<who names their kid Hogarth??>> Probably someone who was on crack at the time, or really hates kids.
Pistoff> This Dr. Hu sounds like he does...interesting...work. I really must see what he has to offer a gargoyle client. ^_^
Mary Flanders> Teaser...d'oh! How did I miss that! What's the URL? I think I'd like to see this. :)
Traveler> Hm, from novel-length posts to three-line posts in one week? You've changed. :) Wait a minute...you're a newcomer...interesting. I do hope the *other* Traveler doesn't charge in here with a black lightsaber, bellowing 'There can be only one!'. <LOL>
Dags> Yet another CR dweller falls victim to idiotic customers. <sigh> From what I've read in here, they seem like a plague! I'd better get to work on a virus that kills every human below a certain IQ...
Entity> <<Oh??? Which site is this?>> That would be http://www.corona.bc.ca/films. Oh, and Jarjarmustdie.com? A masterwork! Thank you SO MUCH for recommending this! :D
Jaden> <<all the things I want to do to them right now would be considered cruel, inhuman, illegal, pychotic, and just plain evil>> That's what the CR is for. AN ORGY OF VIOLENCE! >:)
**THE JOYRIDE**
[Wilek is still marvelling at the gory remains of Fleur's assailants, and the weapon that caused said assailants to become said remains, when the team reaches the ticket booth. A vapid-looking girl who is sitting there sees the team about to walk into the concert hall and begins kvetching at them that she's sold out, that the squad can't get in without tickets, what's that guy doing with that malevolent-looking trenchcoat, the blue winged guy can't get in without a shirt and shoes, etc. Jack takes care of the whole matter by sticking the barrel of the particle accelerator rifle in the little opening in the ticket booth window and firing point blank at the stupid Hanson fan-slave-groupie. Her pulverized remains coat the inside of the booth in a most amusing manner. Jack breaks the window, carefully reaches in, finds her skull, and cracks it open, just to see if there's anything inside. To the surprise of no one, it's quite hollow. Jack: "Thought so. Think I'll use this for a cereal bowl..."]
**END**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:50:03 AM
IP: tnt-3-42-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
The Matrix-That was a great movie, I heard that they were making another.
Robby-I just had to say that, but the upsides outnumber the downsides by a large margin.
Fleur-GRRRRRRRRRRRRR! The thought of people doing things like for no sane reason I get this enraged feeling at the center of my being. Since all the things I want to do to them right now would be considered cruel, inhuman, illegal, pychotic, and just plain evil I think that we will have to just hope that they get punished by the law. I hope your alright.
Well goodnight everyone.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:26:16 AM
IP: pm0-37.vpop1.avtel.net
Planet X> Never read it, but it sounds like something that would only frustrate me if I did. I loath crossovers that don't do it smoothly, and poor characterization even more. But mostly, I have this little thing against people who can get putrid crap punlished like *snaps fingers* that, while good writers with good stories to tell get to do the waiting game.
Wilek> I second SJ, nice revamp on Jar Jar as a tragic figure. That would've been a lot more fitting. Speaking of Binks, has anyone been by www.jarjarmustdie.com, the mother page for that "TPM Abridged Version" script? The humor section has some pretty funny stuff. The stupider it sounds the funnier it winds up being. Check out the "underpants" thing. :)
Fleur> Ugh, these kinds of horror stories only deter me from getting my license. An incident like that would greatly upset me. I hope they get the a-holes.
Airwalker> I think that I'd go for the Trade Paperback, followed by the monthly magazine. Both have their advantages, but while the paperback might be better in attracting mature audiences I think that the magazine would be the more likelier.
<<<If they use Dean Devlin's script then the movie is lost before it began. I read a synopsis of it at a Coming Attractions Film Site and it just has nothing to do with the show we know.>>>
Oh??? Which site is this?
<<<I don't understand why they don't just rerelease the original animated uncut from television version of AWAKENINGS to the big screen>>>
Well, first of all the animation in "Awakenings", while good, is nowhere near the high-budgeted quality of a Disney feature film, which audiences would expect.
Secondly, "Awakenings" is a set-the-stage story, not explosive enough to hold its own as a theatrical release. It would need to be totally revamped. Disney would rather dumb it down, make it funnier, make it faster, and make it more eye-boggling. Can you really blame them that much, though?
Entity
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:11:39 AM
IP: ely-oh4-02.ix.netcom.com
Happy birthday Xanathar and Lady Ariana! :)
Airwalker> <<[The talk of Gargoyles toys reminds me... does anyone agree with me that the toy line was wasted?]>> *I* wrote that, he was referencing that, thank you. ;P And the characters you mentioned are PRECISELY who I meant. :) (How about an exploding Coyote? Wouldn't that be fun? :D)
And as for your comics question, I'd want a trade paperback mainly, but I could also go for the magazine or the monthly comic.
Kaioto> Glad you and Lexy are having fun. :)
BTW... READ MARY'S TEASER! It's kewl. :)
Welcome to all the newcomers!
JEB
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:09:11 AM
IP: 98cd359c.ipt.aol.com
*walks in a little ticked off*
**WARNING: INCOMING WORK RANTING, IGNORE IT IF YOU WANT TO**
I swear.....we get so many stupid people in Blockbuster Video....
when we are putting movies back on the shelf, we'll have people ask for movies that are located at the front of the store and there would be signs in front of the movie boxes saying they are up front also.....
we'll also have people who rented from hollywood Video or Kroger video turn the tape into blockbusters and Vice versa, like this one spanish guy....he turned his movie on time but to the wrong store...and when he came to rent another movie he had a late fee of around $30-$40 cause it was around 15 days late.....he kept on trying to say he didnt have a late fee cause he turned it in on time, I finally got the manager to talk to him and try to explain to him why the fuck he had a late fee....he finally stormed out of the store....both the manager and I flicked him off.....the manager, she's pretty damn kewl....
and then for our two day rentals.....we'd have people come up and ask us about the turn it in before 8pm and you get a dollar off your next two day rental if you rent it that same night...they'd act like then didnt understand when it was written perfectly fine on the tape case....
we've had people come up to the desk and ask if a movie was out when the answer would be right infront of the faces on a bulletin board that has al the recent new releases and when future releases of movies will be.....we've also have had people come in and ask if a movie was in and it'd still be in the theaters or just recently stopped playing in the theaters......
****************END WORK RANT************************
Sorry about that, but I had to get it off my back......
Christine > I enjoyed the Indigo story. I was very.....intertaining.....
Pistoff > hey, when the next G2K story coming out?
Kaioto & lexy > glad you 2 finally got to see each other IRL. You two lovebirds needed to see each other IRL.....
Freya > interesting name you got there......hmm....the Norse Goddess of Love and Beauty......
well, I'd better be going.......see you all later.....
*Walks out*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 01:01:57 AM
IP: 216.1.24.230
Hey all!
Baby Fey> Kewl collage. :)
Todd Jensen> Uh, wouldn't Titania be the person on the throne if Oberon died?
Coyote> LaVonne has a TGE entry at my site, if you wanna see. :)
Steve Gooch> Good assessment. But remember that all the thing would have to is get itself in one of the machines into an airtight compartment and power down, waiting for when the ship is salvaged...
Entity> Interesting rant on STFI and STI. Thanks for sending. :) And your points are valid. But I still think First Contact is the second-best of the Trek films, sorry. :) See, I don't give a care about continuity flaws or such, as long as the movie is entertaining. That's what I go to a movie for, and if I get it, I'm happy. And First Contact was an entertaining film. :)
On the other hand, I agree with you on Insurrection. I only rate that one as okay.
SJ> Joss Whedon writes the X-Men movie? YEEES!! :D Great news!
Like I said earlier this week, hope your vacation is partly fun at least. <:) Bye!
Fleur> :O Jeez!!! Hope you catch those guys... what on Earth were they thinking? >:[
Green Baron> Sorry your BDay wasn't that great. :/
Robby> Glad yours went well. <:)
JEB - [JEb215@aol.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:54:14 AM
IP: 98cd359c.ipt.aol.com
If they were to make a gargoyles comic they should make a long lasting 32-page series that starts after the hunter's moon episode . But only after re-issuing the original 10 issues that came out a few years back.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:41:35 AM
IP: proxy-543.public.rwc.webtv.net
I answered your quistion Daniel Hightower. However you can look at it this way. Xanotos works for the illuminati so they already know everything he knows whether David knows it or not.
James Birdsong
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:38:41 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
SOROW > we just sold a few; I have to update our list. Will try to do that this weekend and let you know.
Jenna > hey, believe me, I am not knocking fanfic in general! But I have read a lot of it, and the majority is nowhere close to publishable in terms of quality. There are a few shining exceptions (many of whom can be found in this very room, IMO), but that Planet X book was comperable to what I consider the mediocres, which is to say, blah. Nothing against fanfic per se. Absolutely not. I'm just amazed it got _published_, that's what. As we struggling authors can attest, it's awfully damn hard to reach that, even with a really _good_ manuscript.
Stephen > now, see, _you_ do good crossovers! I've seen you mesh some wildly improbable universes and make it work! I'm sorry you read that; it must have been painful for you.
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:31:15 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net
And another thing. they should make the film more gaphic than the T.V. show . To fit it's demographic. I mean all of us here are at least older than 12 , and we were the backbone of the show.
traveler - [goliath@hotmail.com]
hobart , IN, usa
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:26:58 AM
IP: proxy-543.public.rwc.webtv.net
If they were going to make a gargoyles movie , which they should , they should make it an animated film . It should be the same way as we all had enjoyed it for 3 years . although I don't have any current plans for it , like anyone would listen , they should ask us , the fans , what we want . They cancelled our show they should at least give us a decent movie . And soon .
traveler - [E-mail]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, August 7, 1999 12:20:56 AM
IP: proxy-543.public.rwc.webtv.net
SJ: Yeah, I kinda figured that was a wishful-thinking rumor. Oh, and as for Tyler Mane, I saw a picture of the guy in the aforemention "Wizard" issue ... considering the size they said he was (7'), my best guess is that he used to be Adam Bomb.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 11:50:14 PM
IP: modem93.i-is.com
Well guys, by this time tomorrow I shall be on my "family vacation", and I shall not return to these hallowed halls for a week or more. Hopefully (these fingers are crossed!) I'll be back no later than Sunday, the 15th. Until then, however, I'll be suffering under the guise of family bonding. Pray for me ;) All you great RP guys and gals, if you go and do something interesting, you can include "me" if you see fit, but if it comes to that someone will need to resolute this whole Kari-in-a-coma thing. Whatever. I'm feeling a bit loopy tonight....packing has made me light-headed. :)
BTW, would one of you be so kind as to email me the addy for the CR room archive? I imagine I may have to wade through a week or more of posts when I get back. :)
Mystery Science Theatre 3000 fans: The SERIES FINALE airs THIS Sunday at 8 p.m. on the sci-fi channel. It's the last hurrah for a cherished friend. Unfortunately, IMO, the show, while still more amusing than most of the comedic drivel on tv today, has gone downhill over the years. It was a blow to me when Joel left, and I almost completely bailed out when Dr. Forrester/originial Crow left the series. Still, for many of us, it'll be sad to see the show go.
Coyote: I don't know much about the recent X-Men casting. Last I heard the confirmed cast was: Patrick "The Bald Badass" Stewart as He of the Shiny Heads Xavier, Anna Paquin as Rogue (Grrrrr...), Ian McKellen as Magneto, Tyler....somebody (He's a no-name wrassler) as Sabretooth, "Pretty Boy" Dougray Scott as Logan, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos as Mystique, Ray Park as Toad the Wet Sprocket, Bruce Davison as Senator Kelley, Halle Berry (yeah baby!!!!) as Storm, and the roles of Cyclops and Jean Grey were yet to be cast. Last I heard, Jim Caviezel had passed on the Cyclops role, and they were possibly eyeing Maria Bello, last scene on "ER" as Jean Grey. No offense, but I wouldn't trust Wizard too much. I love their mag, but they'll print absolutely any rumor about the casting of a comic book film, including the fanboy choices that usually never happen.
Planet X: First off, let me say that I love the X-Men, and I love the Next Gen. But of all the possible crossovers that could exist in the multiverse, why the hell did they choose to throw these two together?? This book was ambitious, I'll give it that. But it didn't know what it wanted to be, a Star Trek book or an X-Men book. As a result, the characterization really suffered. Also, the plot wasn't that good either. I didn't like the villains--frankly, they were largely uninteresting, and I could have given a crap if they were wasted by their own people or by the X-Men and Picard. Perhaps a better novel, if a crossover between the two were to be written, would involve someone like Q. At least if Q was involved, it could be he that brought the two universes together for whatever reason. [BTW, when the heck are they gonna make that big-budget Q movie? That'd I'd pay to see!!]. As it stands, this book tried, but it failed rather miserably.
Oh, and to get off subject and possibly draw the disdain of some CR dwellers, I absolutely loved First Contact. Thought it was the best of the three NextGen movies, and the most fun Trek film since part IV. So there. ;-p
Pistoff: You probably shouldn't read it (Planet X), my friend. Cause if you do......well, I don't know exactly how things would go, but I'd imagine there'd be the shout of something like "They printed THIS???", followed by much gunfire and dead publisher. ;)
Angela/Brooklyn/Demona A-Go-Go!!!: To be quite honest, I always thought Brooklyn had something of a crush on Demona....well, until she betrayed him in Temptation. I'm probably looking too much into this, but I always thought he was a little too gullible in that episode and followed her a little too blindly. Brooklyn does seem to be the one who, perhaps more so than the others, wants a meaningful relationship with a female, and I don't think that it's inconceivable that he had a "schoolboy" crush on his clan leader's first. It'd be sort of like the younger sibling having an infatuation with their older brother's girlfriend. Puppy love and all that. Perhaps in Temptation he felt she was returning some of those feelings--Demona can be *very* seductive when she needs to be. I don't forsee him having a problem with mating her daughter; after all, if Demona was his first crush, wouldn't it almost seem appropriate that he falls for her lovely daughter?
Gargoyles movie: I don't really have any hope of this movie ever airing. It's been at least a couple years since TGC was canceled, and to be honest, the target audience (i.e. kids) has one heck of a high rate of return. The brutal truth is that today's youngsters may have begun to forget about our beloved clan, choosing to worship at the altar of Pokemon and other shows. The point I'm trying to make is that if they are going to make a film, it would be best if they got off their hineys and did it soon. Like yesterday. But things are moving at a snail's pace, and the way I see it, Gargoyles is *not* that high on Disney's agenda. This is why I want to have a loooong, nice talk with Mr. Eisner ***laughs sinisterly**.
And personally I'd prefer a 32 page comic, since it's actually easier for me scrounge up 2 bucks on a given month than to pay 15 for a TPB. But, as usual with most comics, I think that there should be the option for a TPB collection of the individual issue comics.
Airwalker: You wrote: "At least DC, which also does this sometimes (although not as often; they tend to stick to their guns and actually move forward when they aren't dealing with a major characters like Superman or Batman (Examples: Spectre, Green Lantern, Flash, Swamp Thing)) has the Vertigo line where there can be actual development and realistic stories instead of a meaningless continuation of the status quo."
Actually, Vertigo is starting to scare me. Lately, they've been placing some restrictions upon some of their artists. Recently, Warren Ellis left Hellblazer because of this, and because DC butchered a story he did for the series called "Shoot" about violence in schools (it was written before Columbine). Now this is an understandable economic necessity on DC's part--their market for Hellblazer is small enough without non-comic folks coming down on the book for discussing Columbine-esque matters--but it still scares me. It worries me that DC may be getting so paranoid to keep readers and not offend that they may be enforcing a sort of self-imposed censorship.
****IRON GIANT REVIEW*****
Good film!!! Maybe even great!!! While I don't think that it was a "classic", it was certainly better than the ads make it to be (ugh, those ads are awful...), and IMHO much better than any cartoon Disney has put out in the last few years. It was heartwarming, and funny at times, and they didn't have to muck things up with cutesy animal sidekicks or any damn showtunes. I thought the kid, Hogarth (who names their kid Hogarth??), was wonderful, and his interaction with the Giant was very well done. Even Jennifer Aniston (who I've always thought was horrible overrated as an actress) wasn't too bad. This was a pretty fun movie. However, at times it did seem a bit heavy with it's anti-violence/anti-gun message, but I could get past that. The animation was pretty good as well, especially the Giant. The folks over at Disney, and really all film studios should take notes--this is how a kids movie can be. Wonderful, touching, and very well done. Overall, I give it 3 out of 4 stars, or roughly 7.5 out of 10, depending upon what denominational scale you use. I look forward to the next big animated movie of the year, the long awaited Princess Mononoke!
I'm hoping that sometime during hell-week....I mean vacation....I get a chance to see Mystery Men (it looks like a funny comic-book parody). AND of course I'm gonna do my best to watch the Blair Witch Project again (sorry, I *am* a bit obsessed. :)
****END REVIEW*****
Oh.....and I know no one really cares in here, we're not terribly sports-orientated but.......as a fan, I must announce: FOOTBALL BEGINS THIS WEEKEND!!!! TOMORROW NIGHT!!!! WHOOOOOO!!!!!!
Hey, sorry about that, but this and hockey are the only sports I can get into!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 11:33:57 PM
IP: 207-172-33-176.s176.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
Is ANYBODY interested in reading my teaser!?! *sob* I'm hurt! And it's good too! *sobs some more*
Mary Flanders
Friday, August 6, 1999 11:17:30 PM
IP: ramp-1-10.ucdavis.edu
Planet X: I haven't read this one myself, but from the comments in here, it's apparently pretty bad. This in furiates me because this book was actually published while who knows how many perfectly good manuscripts are rejected because the editor or agent wouldn't know a good story if it was tattooed on the end of his penis.
Fleur: Oh my gawd! That's absolutely insane! I hope those bastards are caught. **hugz** Of course, whatever the judicial system does to them would never be enough. So I'll put a little something special for ya in the Joyride. :)
Delphi: That's true. At least there's a sense of culture in a place like Texas. Here in southwestern Oregon, there's no such thing. Everything is just kinda...generic. The only remarkable thing about Coos Bay is the disturbing number of idiots, weird people, and perverts who live here...
Aaron: Ack! Sorry about your car, dude. Hope there's still some life left in 'er yet.
Warpmind: Ohhhh, bitchin'! I'll collect all the bits of the Joyride and email you a description ASAP. :)
**JOYRIDE!**
Pistoff glances over his shoulder as he and the others walk through the doorway. "Hey, Jack, look who's driving by!" He points at a panel van. "It's the son of a bitch who wrecked Fleur's car!"
Jack watches the van approach for a moment, then smirks. "Hold on a moment. I'll be right back." He walks back to Cthulhu and gets in. Starts the engine, then looks in the mirror and waits. The van drives by slowly as its driver looks for a parking space. When it's behind the hearse, Jack shoves the gear shift into reverse-1 and pops the clutch, smashing into the van and pushing it over the curb. The driver screams as the van rolls over and his passenger sprawls on top of him. Jack flips the 4WD switch and guns it, and Cthulhu climbs over the caved-in side of the van, mashing it beneath the hearse's huge tires. Screaming like little girls, the van's occupants climb out of the twisted mess that was once their vehicle, stagger away and collapse.
Jack gets out, carrying an exotic, alien-looking weapon that the others would've expected Wilek or Miriam to have. Jack turns a dial on the gun, than points it at the scumbags.
"This is for messing with our friend!" He squeezes the trigger and one of the punk-asses is struck by what looks like a crackle of electricity. A look of absolute, full-throttle terror crosses the punk's face--then he starts to inflate like a balloon.
"GaaaAAAAAAACK!"
SPLAT! His flesh and innards erupt from his skelaton, shreds flying everywhere, some of it drenching his buddy. The mangled skeleton flies apart a split-second later.
"Do you feel lucky?" Jack says to the remaining punk-ass, who just cowers on the pavement and whimpers like a whipped animal. Jack squeezes the trigger and splatters him all over the parking lot. "Apparently not."
He slips the weird gun under his trenchcoat and rejoins the rest of the Joyride Squad. Xanathar's eyes pop out.
"What...the hell...was that?"
"It's a particle accelerator. Got it from a buddy of mine, named Dr. Hu. He's the one who built my eyes. He makes good stuff."
Grinning, he and the others continue on their way....
**TO BE CONTINUED**
Airwalker: Personally, if Gargoyles came back as a comic, I'd prefer the trade paperback graphic-novel style. Paying 3 or 4 or even five bucks for a dinky little 32-page booklets is just ludicrous. Even $1.99 for something that small...uh-uh. But a trade paperback with a whole storyline and all, for ten or fifteen bucks, sure, I'd go for that. Especially since, sooner or later, I'd find it in the Science Fiction Book Club for seven bucks. :)
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:49:06 PM
IP: 207.48.109.31
Newbie here..but not a Newbie to the cartoon or thses tales. I have been reading them for months. I think TGS is doing a great job and their Fanfiction is addictive. I hope you find it in your hearts to trust another human...althought I'm not sure if I'm the average human.
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:48:48 PM
IP: ts004d26.orl-fl.concentric.net
Airwalker: The writer of "Daylight" (credited, anyway) is Leslie Bohem.
Delphi: It's not too surprising, considering that MSU was originally founded as a land-grant agricultural college (in fact, its original name was Michigan Agricultural College), and most of the students were basically learning to become better farmers. MSU's agriculture department is still its largest college (and one of the largest agriculture schools in the country), so having a rodeo team is really just a natural extension of that. Hell, the University three years ago just built the team a new rodeo arena so that they could host events.
I linked up MSU's website to my name link. It might have more info, this is just what I've heard secondhand.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:43:09 PM
IP: modem93.i-is.com
Goodevening all
Ironwolf>>great to hear from you again, thanks again for the book, I sent an em-do you need me to send again?
Oh and just so you know I have nothing against rodeo's it is just that- when you grow up on the east coast the diffrences are astounding. When I move to TX the "size" of the sky seemed hugh, in Pennslyvania the landscape is rolling and the horizon seems more limited. And then there is the general attitudes of the people you meet. I enjoyed living there at the time.
Coyote>>rodeo in Michigan didn't know that.
David G>>Somebodies creative demon's are rubbing off on me, spend another night "seeing" story possiblities, when I really should have been sleeping. Dog tired tonght as a result.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:35:43 PM
IP: 207.14.195.139
COYOTE - Actually TOMORROW STORIES already came out this past Wednsday. If you search rec.arts.comics.misc and rec.arts.comics.reviews, you should find reviews and comments on the issue. I actually was holding a copy in my hand but didn't have enough cash on me to add it to the usual weekly pile. (It's got a cover price of 3.50 on top of everything else. It's bad enough to have to pay 2 dollars an issue for normal comics but they have to extort an extra 1.50 for an issue #1 and then up the price to 2.50 on following issues.
And they wonder why exactly the industry is dying? Aiming books at younger audiences in general (ABC is not aimed at a young audience which increases it's appeal to me. I'm just ranting about most comics in general) which can't afford to pay these prices isn't helping.)
The reaction has been mixed on the issue. From what I've read about it, it's best if you go in not taking the issue too seriously and expecting a really deep story. It's basically a bunch of short stories that poke fun at some aspect of society and the comic industry. I'll get it next week or the week after when my weekly comic shopping list is lighter.
You wrote: [In Dallas, Greg said that there was another rewrite underway by the same writer who did "Daylight."]
Who did do Daylight? I don't usually pay that much attention to who actually writes out the movies until it came down to movies I really really want to see like this Gargoyles movie and the X-Men movie.
COMICS IN GENERAL - Let me put this question out (and since this is a Gargoyles Comment room, put a Gargoyles twist on it):
If Gargoyles was to come back officially in a sort of comic form, which would more people in her prefer and which do you think would be possible to be put out without getting cancelled within a month or two:
- A regular as usual 32 page monthly comic book (like X-Men or Superman etc) for 1.99
- An Archie comics like digest that would contain some various short illustrated Gargoyles stories for about 3-5 dollars.
- A full monthly magazine with a few illustrated Gargoyle stories, a few Gargoyle text pieces, and some various other information ala historical exploration on various elements of Gargoyles for 6.95 or so
- A every few month's Trade Paperback containing a whole storyline and a short text piece ala something like a Usagi YoJimbo trade paperbacks for 15 dollars.
I'm asking because I was inspired by a debate on rec.arts.comics.misc about which way the comics industry should develop - should it remain the way it is, evolve towards publishing just Trade Paperbacks which would fit well on bookshelves and could appeal well to an adult audience that would find it in bookstores, towards thicker magazine like anthologies that could be sold on newstands for a reasonable price or towards Archie comic-like digests.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:30:20 PM
IP: 99.new-york-75-80rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
**enters the room, switching out the candles and sitting on the floor**
Sure, take the chair, Fleur. You could use it. I'll address your situation later.
Airwalker: I'm not surprised you haven't tried "Tomorrow Stories" yet, since the #1 is released next week. As for Tom Strong, the fact that it throws back to the old days of self-contained, return-to-status-quo stories is what appeals to me. Each of the ABC titles has their own draw ...
"Tom Strong" is much like a Golden Age series ... perhaps what the Golden Age Superman would be in the modern era.
"Promethea" draws upon the collective folklore of the world to draw its universe ... and the concept of a heroine conjured by the imagination is great!
"Top Ten's" main draw for me is the artist (Gene Ha), but the concept in and of itself is a neat one.
I *am* looking forward to "Tomorrow Stories."
SJ, re: X-Men casting: Have you heard anything further about the other casting for that film? This month's "Wizard" had some interesting tidbits, including speculation that Jeri Ryan (or, as one sci-fi journalist called her, "38 of DD") might be cast as Jean Grey.
Wilek, re: customerssuck.com: **starts mirroring Pissy** Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!!
Delphi, re: rodeo: I've been meaning to mention this but keep forgetting ... while we're on the topic of collegiate rodeo, it might be wise for me to point out that Michigan State is the only northern college in the US with a rodeo team.
Christine: *L*
Kaioto: **sigh** Y'know, you two ... ya really know how to make a guy feel even lonelier ... ;)
Airwalker again, re: Garg movie script: In Dallas, Greg said that there was another rewrite underway by the same writer who did "Daylight."
Xanathar: Happy B-day. Take yer remote and pick yer flavor. :)
**WARNING: KNEE-JERK REACTION TO FLEUR'S SITUATION INCLUDING CENSORED PROFANITY AND POTENTIALLY VIOLENT IMAGERY AHEAD!!**
Fleur: Grrr ... hearing something like that makes my blood boil. Trust me, if some motherluncher did that kind of bull$#!t to *my* car ... they'd better be prepared to die, because I would rip out their trachea with my bare hands. You're very lucky to be alive, my friend, and my condolences on your newly-damagedd vehicle, and I certainly hope that *somebody* got a positive ID on that @$$hole. They don't deserve community service or jail time, or probation, or anything sane like that. They deserve to have their scrotums tied to the rear bumper of my Caddy and get dragged along behind when I hit the expressway at 75 mph.
**composes self**
Sorry. But that kind of crap is inexcusable ... and I'm just sorry that it had to happen to such a kind person as you, friend. **hugs**
**END KNEE-JERK REACTION!!**
Metal box on wheels? Just what exactly was this car you were driving? (My best guess is the youngest it could be is an '82) Sounds kinda like my Caddy ... when ya get down to it, my car is basically 3 tons of Detroit steel with an engine. ;)
Stephen: Collapsed? You okay, buddy?
**sits back on his hands, still fixating on the candle's flame, even on the floor.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, August 6, 1999 09:46:39 PM
IP: modem93.i-is.com
Sorry to 2x Post... [puts on his offical TGS Head cap]
David Hightower: As a favor to myself and the rest of the TGS staffer that frequent this CR, please refrain from commenting on original ideas that might possibly pertain to TGS in any of its four series (Timedancer, Main Cycle, Dark Ages, & Pendragon). It's not that we don't appreciate your enthusiasm for the series or for our project, but we don't want to view anything that might come back at us later and nip us in the butt. (original ideas, character/plot suggestions, etc.) This may be fanfic, but we are trying not to step on anyone's toes while we do it.
Thanks for your cooperation and patience.
Sincerely,
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Head of TGS
Head of Breakdowns, Season 3
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, August 6, 1999 08:09:42 PM
IP: m185.ieway.com
DOUG/KIT - $Will have that wrapped up soonest! Been having rough nights working, and I just collapsed last night. Thank god for my days off! Be patient, will wrap it up shortly.$
CHRISTINE - Planet X?!? Not that Star Trek:TNG/Xmen crossover?! <pauses to take a deep breath> BLEEEEEEAAAAAAACH! From a crossover writer's POV, that thing stunk worse than rotten codfish! The plot could have been salvaged, if there had been BETTER and more BELIEVABLE characterization of both X-men and the Enterprise Crew.
That broke one of the cardinal rules of writing crossover: Make all of the characters - thier dialog, manerisms, actions, and speech - all AS IF THEY WERE FROM THE ORIGINAL UNIVERSE THEY CAME FROM.
Will have more to say come Saturday! Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, August 6, 1999 08:03:16 PM
IP: m185.ieway.com
I'm talking about the Illumanti working behind the scenes to get their agenda accomplished (or I am wrong about what they're about). I am thinking about when Bluestone said that the Illumanti supposedly have the president on their payroll. Why would they if not to get their agenda accomplished? One big part of that agenda is keeping themselves hidden. Another part involves minimizing interefence in their plans by the government.
If anyone (TGS or otherwise) wants to write a story about Brookyln & family being kidnapped by the Illumanti or Thailog, email me. I have an excellent idea that is worthy of the Illumanti and have a way of making the plot "interesting" relating to a couple of characters other than the gargoyles or Bluestone. btw, if noone can answer my question about the Illumanti not wanting to interrogate Brooklyn, then the TGS writers need to consider a future episode where the Illumanti kidnap
Brooklyn. Here's some more reasons why that should be a story. How would Xanatos and Bluestone react to the kidnapping if they figured out the Illumanti was behind? That would require character development on both of their parts.
About my suggested TimeDancer episode, it should involve Roland (of Dark Ages) if possible and could involve Demona if she didn't see or hear Brooklyn (ie: she can't know because that would alter her future). That episode would solve the question of Demona after the massacre and Roland's reaction when he found out what really happenned.
Thinking of Demona and Brooklyn having a chat makes me freaky when you consider what they could talk about it besides Brooklyn visiting Demona in the future.
Daniel Hightower - [dph_of_rules@yahoo<no spam>.com]
Conway, AR
Friday, August 6, 1999 07:57:27 PM
IP: max1-54.cwy.cei.net
Daniel Hightower> You're assuming that the illuminati is power hungry. You are wrong there. They stop power hungry madmen for takeing over silly. That are much more then the government. Duval isn't stupid. He's quite wise
James Birdsong
Friday, August 6, 1999 07:20:53 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
I am going to write (1) why the Illumanti would want information from Brooklyn & family and (2) why Thailog should have figured out that Brooklyn traveled through time.
Point 1: The Illumanti would know about the Phoenix gate, duh. The Illumanti have records of Brooklyn (and family occasionally) appearing all over time. The only question is if they figured if Brooklyn was that red gargoyle who kept reappearing and disappearing. I would hope so. Now, comes the leap of faith. The Illumanti COULD HYPOTHESIZE Brooklyn PROBALBY visited the FUTURE. Besides that the Illumanti WOULD be interested in all they can about the future and in any road to that goal would be tried. With knowledge of the future their power could be (1) assured in that future and (2) increased. The smallest details matter: who is the president, mayor of any town, who the chief of police is, who developed what technology, etc. All the Illumanti would have to do is corrupt that person (or business or university) and make the person loyal to the Illumanti and their power will grow. That is a strong motivation. Now, I beg an answer to the question why haven't they "interrogated" Brooklyn and family unless they are working on a plan to do so.
2. Thailog PROBABLY knows about the Phoenix Gate through either Demona, Xanatos, or reading on his own. Now Brooklyn shows up one day with a wife, two kids, and a dog and you are curious how. Shame on you if you're not curious. If Thailog didn't know how, he WOULD have to find out out of nothing else than fear more gargoyles would show up out of thin air. With Thailog's knowledge of the Phoenix Gate, he could HYPOTHESIZE that Brooklyn and family traveled through time. If Thailog didn't know about the Phoenix, he would probably learn about it as a means of explaining Brooklyn's family. Now being Thailog, he would wander if Brooklyn traveled to the future. To Thailog (or anyone power hungry), any knowledge of the future is worth (I can't describe how much it would be worth). So he would want to know. As a result, Thailog should be planning (or have planned) a way to kidnap Brooklyn and family.
Brooklyn NEEDS (not should) to have a talk with Demona before he dies to tell her to be looking for him in the future. That way she won't be suprised.
Here's a thought for a Timedance episode: Castle Wyernn was rumored to be haunted. If Brooklyn had to keep someone kiling himself while he was in stone hibernation. He shows up and creates another temporal paradox by making the castle "rumored" to be haunted. This idea could ONLY be USED ONCE or it will get boring the 2nd time around.
That is my 3 1/2 cents worth.
Daniel Hightower - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Conway, AR
Friday, August 6, 1999 06:53:52 PM
IP: max1-56.cwy.cei.net
ANGELA AND BROOKLYN - Personally, I think that it's just as well that those two didn't wind up together. For one thing, Angela is Demona's daughter and even looks a lot like her mom, only with different coloring. Would Brooklyn *really* feel comfortable having someone that closely connected with Demona for his mate? I doubt that he considered it when Angela first showed up, and she was the only non-villainous female gargoyle in town which would encourage him all the more to pursue her, but I imagine that if he had seriously thought it over, he would have ultimately realized that it just wouldn't have worked out.
GARGOYLE TOYS - As I said before, I never really noticed these (aside from having seen a couple of commercials for them), but one thing I do remember learning about them: their Brooklyn had no neck. I wonder what Brooklyn would have said if he'd seen that toy version of himself. Come to think of it, maybe it's just as well that so many of the other characters, from Angela on down, didn't get action figures made of them, if "No-Neck Brooklyn" is an indication of the accuracy of their depictions :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, August 6, 1999 06:28:12 PM
IP: 205-242-93-56.dialup-stl.primary.net
XANATHAR - You wrote: [The talk of Gargoyles toys reminds me... does anyone agree with me that the toy line was wasted?]
I have to agree. There were so many characters that could have just made great toys and that were screaming out to be made. Instead they came out with stuff like Stone Cameo Broadway and Lexington, and that Cyber-line of Goliath, Broadway, Coldstone and Lexington. (From that whole line Cyber-Lex looked good due to the influence of FUTURE TENSE and the only real decent character made (and that I bought) was Coldstone.)
They could have done Upgraded Pack characters (Hey kids! Get all 4 versions of Cyoti!), various Fey characters, and if they wanted to do lines of different Gargoyles then they could have marketed Avalonian and London clan lines. (Hey kids! You got Griff, now pick up Pendragon to go along with him!) At the very least they should have made an Angela figure instead of stuff like Rainstorm Hudson or Icestorm Brooklyn.
(And from the toys that they did make - why in the hell did they give Demona shoulder pads? If they were going to do that then they could at least made a FUTURE TENSE line of characters and given her the entire FUTURE TENSE suit.)
BROOKLYN AND ANGELA - It did seem that they were going to end up together in the beginning. Especially since from the entire Trio, Brooklyn was the only one we had seen who showed any interest in a love life up to THE GATHERING 1. That added together with all the hints made it seem like a sure thing. And then when we saw her and Broadway kiss in THE JOURNEY, it was shocking and unexpected but something I could instantly except and be glad for. Why should everything work out exactly the way we expect it to? In a Marvel Comic, I expect that if there are some hints of two characters getting together (Colossus and Shadowcat, Cyclops and Jean Grey) then they will get together eventually either in the present or in some possible future. That scene in THE JOURNEY was just another reason why this show was so much better than any Marvel Comic.
ROBBY - You wrote: [Greg's official word on this at the Gathering was more or less, "There's no progress yet, but Disney's kept it in limbo and worked at it for three years rather than trash it, so theres still hope and that is a good sign."]
So there is no progress. But how far did they get according to the last information that we had? Was their a script of some sort?
I have to wonder how exactly are they working on it if there is no new information to report after about a year between reports (The last information we got on the movie before the Gathering was before AskGreg went down for the first time so that's about a year between information)? Is there one person besides Greg (and maybe Michael Reaves) who is doing any day to day work on trying to get this movie to the screen in a proper way?
(If they use Dean Devlin's script then the movie is lost before it began. I read a synopsis of it at a Coming Attractions Film Site and it just has nothing to do with the show we know.)
In the end what I'd really like to know about this movie is how close is it going to follow the continuity of the show? I understand that most likely it will be a sort of new version of AWAKENINGS (they have to do an origin story in the first movie) but how closely will it follow the original?
(I don't understand why they don't just rerelease the original animated uncut from television version of AWAKENINGS to the big screen (with perhaps some extra footage and material thrown in) and then once the greater public has an idea of the origin and plotline of GARGOYLES, then make a live-action movie that will work off from that?)
You wrote: [Wolverine's claws- Personally I prefer them as bone, especially up against Sabertooth's new adamantium ones and hyper fast healing factor.]
I prefer them as bone for the simple reason is that it's just development. He had metal he didn't want, and now he doesn't. It's been hinted at that without the metal, perhaps Wolverine could grow beyond his berserker rages and achieve an inner peace that he could never know with the adamantium. (See WOLVERINE: BLOODLUST Graphic Novel by Alan Davis. It's worth the 5 dollars and it tells a pretty good Wolverine story that hints at this conclusion that I just mentioned.)
Going back to the metal is just Marvel's way of trying to keep it's ever shrinking audience. Every year comic book reader numbers get less and less and they are willing to give up on growth in order to keep the few fans they have now that really want him to get the metal back.
At least DC, which also does this sometimes (although not as often; they tend to stick to their guns and actually move forward when they aren't dealing with a major characters like Superman or Batman (Examples: Spectre, Green Lantern, Flash, Swamp Thing)) has the Vertigo line where there can be actual development and realistic stories instead of a meaningless continuation of the status quo.
(And as for Aunt May, as long as she's alive in a present day set Spider-Man comic, I will never again pick it up. I've already been driven from the entire Spider-line except for Spider-Girl. The only May Parker that should be around nowadays in the mainstream Spider-Man is his baby daughter.)
AARON - You wrote: [As for the Gargoyles movie, they're supposed to have a trailer ready to show us at G2K.]
They are? I've really got to make an effort to get to the Gathering next year.
You have any other info on the movie, like if they are going to use anyone else besides Goliath and Elisa, stuff like that?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, August 6, 1999 06:07:01 PM
IP: 150.new-york-18-19rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Fleur - o_O That was unbelievable. I sure hope there's SOMEthing the police can do. Do you think you could identify those guys? Well... fortunately you weren't hurt. And your car is still drivable. But Sheesh. Unbelievable.
It's Lady Arianna's birthday too? Happy Birthday Lady Arianna.
Aaron - I haven't noticed any Transguide things around where I live, but then I'm usually too busy trying to dodge the other motorists to look at the signs.
Jenniren
Friday, August 6, 1999 03:22:15 PM
IP: user-2ivf70h.dialup.mindspring.com
Is anybody else getting these Transguide things in their city? They're basically those electronic scrolling signs set up over the freeway. They're supposed to warn of congestion ahead, and stuff like that, but I wanna know how many accidents they're gonna cause, with people trying to read them while speeding by at 70mph.
Later
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, August 6, 1999 02:54:24 PM
IP: ppp-162.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
Just checking in!
To all members of the Joyride: Please send me brief descriptions of yourselves, I'm plotting a page dedicated to the Joyride saga. Also, It would be convenient if the oldest clips were e-mailed to me (presumably, Pistoff or Xanathar has them stored somewhere). All clips before this week may be needed. I even have the *perfect* melody to run in the background. Oh, and Wilek: You might want to describe the DeVille, as well, just like an accurate description of Cthulhu may be desirable. Of course, if there already exists such a page, ignore this post completely.
Until later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, August 6, 1999 02:13:11 PM
IP: mp-217-228-219.daxnet.no
Aaron wanders in, looking in a bit worse for wear.
Yesterday was sort of strange, though nothing like what happened to Fleur. My car died on me, so I had to go through the whole sad ritual of cleaning it out, (Taking the tapes, fuzzy dice, driving gloves, bumper magnet, etc., away) and wondering if this'll be the time I can't afford to fix her anymore. But I did find a bottle of Josta that must've been hiding somewhere in the backroom of the Texaco for six months.
But I got my car back today with a minimum of fuss and expendature, so life is good. Annnnnd I'm rambling, so on with replies.
Warpmind> Sorry Warpmind, it was just too easy.
Kyryn> Would that be a Confederate Airforce B-17, per chance? I can see how a few of those would keep littering down.
Airwalker>Okay, maybe Marvel doesn't have the monopoly on screwed up continuity. As for the Gargoyles movie, they're supposed to have a trailer ready to show us at G2K.
Pistoff> Geez, that sounds like one of those terrible last day of school dreams. You're not going to graduate because you forgot to go to rodeo class all year.
Wilek><<Have I ever told you that I like the way your mind works?>>Maybe, but I don't mind repitition. :)
Xanathar> We'd gottent the similarities up to the fact that they were both cranky, indestructable redheads with metal things on their forheads. Then whoever it was said something about comparing Jerico and SPG, but since I hadn't read Christine's fics yet, I didn't get it.
Fleur> Geez, what a couple of @$$holes! I'd like to see them try that sh!t over here. They'd have been shot before they came back for a second pass.
The Haunting> Has anybody noticed that the Hell Door looks a lot like the thing in Milton's office in The Devil's Advocate?
Later.
Aaron wanders off again, whistling "Green Grass and High Tides" by The Outlaws.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, August 6, 1999 02:01:25 PM
IP: ppp-162.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
I believe today is Lady Arianna's birthday... so HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Where are yooouuu????
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Xanathar! Kissy, kissy...
Green Baron> Oh, you naughty boy ;) I've *definately* read it!
Robby> You're welcome.
Fleur> Thank God for those of us with metal boxes on wheels! Mine's called the boat cause it's unsinkable (knock on wood). I hope you're okay, and screw the bastard who hit you! As for the karma thing, I think it was good karma since you weren't killed! HUGZ!
Christine> I read your recent eps...terrific stuff! Are those original Garg comic books still available to purchase? I'm very interested!
Lunch time...is every time!
SOROW
Friday, August 6, 1999 01:52:50 PM
IP: usr11-dialup73.mix1.irving.cw.net
Whens the next eip going to come out for TGS?
Mercenary X - [estabinski@usa.net]
Friday, August 6, 1999 01:45:06 PM
IP: palomar.edu
Eh... VISIT STATION 8! THEN VOTE IN THE FANDOM TOP FIVE! THERE'S ONLY TWO DAYS LEFT!
Okay, birthday's over, it's time to post... Got some Slayers videos,a CD, some Dragonball Z t-shirts, Orson Scott Card's new book, and some colored pencils, which I'm already making use of...
Hints of Brooklyn and Angela- There were lots of little hints early on that those two were going to get together. They kept synchronizing their moves and getting stuck together and such right off the bat. Example, when fighting Oberon they both chopped at his hair at exactly the same time in more or less the same pose and kept thinking of the same thing at the same time, and then got trapped in that void together and basically played off one another as though they were thinking a lot alike... There were really no hints at all that Angela liked Brooklyn as a possible love interest, but there were lots of hints that they were quite similar, which at that point was the only kind of hint being given. Add to that she was constantly drawn/animated by his side and that face it, Brooklyn was the one looking for love for some time, and many fans (myself included) jumped to the obvious conclusion that Angela was going to tie off the subplot with Brook. There were enough timing hints. Though Greg himself didn't know who, if any of them, she'd get together with up until Turf, so all those timing shots and close together bits are likely just coincidence. (However after Turf, she stopped syncronizing with Brooklyn and Broadway started being the one to talk to her more.)
Gargoyles the movie- Greg's official word on this at the Gathering was more or less, "There's no progress yet, but Disney's kept it in limbo and worked at it for three years rather than trash it, so theres still hope and that is a good sign."
Jaden- You're the only one to point out to me the downside to being 17... Hmm...
Wolverine's claws- Personally I prefer them as bone, especially up against Sabertooth's new adamantium ones and hyper fast healing factor. Now THAT makes it a challenge. If the hero isn't outclassed by the villain, whats the point? So I wish they would keep the bone claws, and figure out how to write for them, because its a story that needs to be told. Bone Skeleton Wolvie vs. Adamantium Skeleton Sabertooth...
Coyote- Eisner, Weisman, and Morgan on Win Ben Stein's Money... I like it!
Sorow- Rather kind of you not to kill me. 8)
Comic crossovers- I hate them. Particularly the current one with Young Justice and Supergirl. The latest issue wasn't even about the kids, they were minor villains! It was Supergirl's story! Grr... The only time its toleratable is when I pick up all the titles involved anyway, which currently doesn't apply to much outside of Gold Digger and Ninja High School...
Aaron- DCina? Oh my...
Happy Birthday to those who have them after me!
What was Marvel thinking when they brought back Aunt May- Simple. Peter's life was too easy when he didn't have to hide his identity from someone living in his house. So they brought back sickly old Aunt May. (Which is THE singlemost worstest move they've ever made. Particularly since the role was easily filled by Mary Jane's Aunt Anna.)
Kiaoto and Lexy- Nice to see you two are enjoying yourselves. (As if there were any doubt...)
Fleur- Ouch. Reminds me of the time someone decided it would be fun to drive right over my bike while I was on it. Haven't been able to go bikeriding since, my bike isn't rideable any more.
**RP... No wait... I blew up all my goodguys, I have nopthing to RP about at the moment... Nevermind...
Robby
Friday, August 6, 1999 01:35:45 PM
IP: spider-wk044.proxy.aol.com
Yo, everyone!
**SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT**
I just finished and uploaded REDEMPTION: PART TWO in my ongoing saga. It's accessible at the moment.
**PLUG ENDED**
Xanathar: Ooo, hey, I was gonna use that blood-boiling chemical. Oh, well, great minds et cetera?
**JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
The hearse comes to a screeching halt outside the concert hall. Before anyone has a chance to react, Warpmind sprays everyone in the car with a foul-smelling chemical. Amidst a lot of cursing, he manages to exhale "Hey, it's a tiger fly repellant. I'm gonna let my little insects out tonight."
The sadistic crew steps out of the car and moves toward the front door. The doorman stops them briskly, but Warpmind opens a small wooden box and releases something that resembles a large fly. "Double-winged African Tiger Fly. One vicious bug, its venom is a highly corrosive acid, and the sting is virtually impossible to detect." The guard starts waving, then screaming at the top of his lungs. Xanathar, Pistoff, Wilek, Miriam, Jack and Warpmind enter the concert, where Backstreet Boys are warming up the audience.
**TO BE CONTINUED**
Later, dudes.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, August 6, 1999 12:53:56 PM
IP: mp-217-239-154.daxnet.no
Paul > Actually, I think that the Sith in general is the Phantom Menace. Many elements of "Star Wars" have always been open to interpretation, so my views are just as valid as yours.
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Friday, August 6, 1999 12:05:10 PM
IP: 156.40.117.111
Lunch break, so I can post.
Fleur> *reads post in shock* Holy --! Are you all right? I'd be a complete mess if that happened to me... I doubt Mom's Accord could take a pounding like that. And as for those losers laughing - what the HELL is wrong with some people? I hope the cops do catch the bastards! *fumes* Okay, I'll save the rant; hearing about something like that really makes me mad, and I wasn't even there. Hang in there, okay?
Green Baron, Robby, Xanathar> Didn't get a chance to say this because Mom tied the phone up all night - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Kitania> Congrats on the raise!
Car News> Two days of driving the Honda all over the county and nothing's gone wrong. Go figure. :)
DarkAngel re: Muffin the Vampire Baker> LOL! Thanks for the link! It's a riot!
Report to write, report to write...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 12:01:42 PM
IP: ch164-10.apgea.army.mil
Paul - You're still spelling Aris' name wrong. It's Katsaris not Katarsis. You misplaced the 's.' Katarsis would be a variant spelling of katharsis or catharsis. It isn't a particular Greek tragedy. My dictionary defines catharsis as "the purging of the emotions or the relieving of emotional tensions, especially through certain kinds of art, as tragedy or music." If you ever study Greek Tragedy in school (I had to study "Oedipus Rex" in 7th grade, and did not appreciate it at all), you'll probably hear the word. Basically the audience feels a sense of relief when the play is over and that's called a catharsis. (This sense of relief is NOT the same one I felt in the 7th grade when we finally got finished with studying it.) ;) ;) ;)
Xanathar - I didn't realize it was your birthday as well as Robby's. Happy birthday.
Wilek - That website was fun. A couple of the stories really had me ROTFL.
Are there differences in the way the Illuminati is being portrayed in TGS versus the way Greg wished to portray it in the TV series?
And does Duval have possession of the Grail? or did he lose it somewhere along the way and is looking for it the same as King Arthur and crew?
Jenniren
Friday, August 6, 1999 11:55:32 AM
IP: user-2ivf85i.dialup.mindspring.com
Christine-- read your comments about Planet X-- uhm, hope your not knocking fanfic writing-- granted some of it can be atrocious, but some of it can be very well wtitten. Perehaps I misinturrpted..........
Jenna
Friday, August 6, 1999 11:03:30 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Ok busy week with work and apartment hunting that and my email is acting up, so lets play catch up
1 Dragon riders of Pern
Got to meet Anne McCaffery and the production team for the show at Dragon con. If you want info go to WWW.PERN.COM . They start casting this November so all you would be actor go. Release date is fall 2000 (so far any ways).
2 Happy late birthday wishes to all those who had one.
3 Jackyl well pretty much everyone said what there is to say except
Don’t give life the satisfaction of you given up. After all life just a B*tch
Too many of the clan have threatened to kill you if you kill yourself. I mean do you know how painful it is to be resurrected then killed resurrected then killed over and over and (hmm you got a long list of friends this could take a while)
I should be able to post Saturday and I really want to; so many topics like the Blair Witch, and probably the Mystery men, comics, just too much for right now.
ps what's wrong with rodeos? They are just like any other sporting event. Of course I was born and spent 16 years in texas (right outside of houston) so it just may be in my genes or is it jeans:)
Ironwolf
Friday, August 6, 1999 11:02:31 AM
IP: host-209-214-41-221.cha.bellsouth.net
Fleur > send it to George? Do I _look_ suicidal to you? ; ) I'm sure he's _much_ more forgiving than the Big Bad Mouse would be ... <shivers>
Planet X > I just read that, and oh, what a dog of a book! Mediocre-fanfic-quality to say the least! None of the characters, Trek or X, rang true. The plot was feeble. The writing was drab. I am bemused and dismayed that someone actually got _paid_ and _published_ for that! ::sounds of a cat working on a hairball::
Carlsbad Caverns > and people think those are _bats_ flying out every sunset ...
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:57:23 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net
Hey all,
The Illuminati and the Phoenix Gate> Take a look at "Flight into the Forest" for more info. I'm surprised others are surprise the Illuminati are in the know. It's the Illuminati.
Movies> Haven't seen any recently. Phantom Menace: Some parts I like. Like the lightsaber duel and the journey through the Planet Core, some things not as much. It is an extremely rare move that's seemless and perfect. This wasn't one of them, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy. It just means I won't worship it. Same with the Star Trek movies. Some parts I liked, like Spock giving the neck pinch to the punk in Star Trek 4, some parts not as much, like the duel between Montobahn and Shatner as to who could overact the most. What's important is whether you enjoy it or not. If you do, chances aer you'll see it again. If you don't, you won't.
I think someone asked about Next Generation actors being voices. No it wasn't intentional, but as greg said it doesn't mean they didn't capitalize on it when it happened. I admit before I saw Ill Met By Moonlight, I was expecting Oberon to be voiced by Patrick Stewart.
taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:31:01 AM
IP: 12.73.26.15
Fleur:*reads Fleurs post*Are you okay?your not too shook up I hope,I had a sucky day as well but nothing that could top that*HUG*:(,Thank you for wishing me a happy birthday despite your personal problems:)
Goodnight all!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Friday, August 6, 1999 10:18:43 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
You're quite right Airwalker about Timedancer and Duval in my opnion.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, August 6, 1999 09:38:45 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
Aris Katarsis-I don't know what you're talking about because I've apparently never read and/or heard of this Greek Tragedy. Yeesh!
Fleur-No, there was zilch that suggested that Angela was possibly in love with Brooklyn. Name one thing that suggested she was possibly in love with him.
Scott Iskow-Darth Sidious is the 'phantom menace'. I guessed that, and the Newspaper Article I read, despite being messed up on a lot of other aspects, confirmed it. Why do you think his voice isn't in the Credits?
I don't care what Jar Jar did, every life is precious. Even people like Adolf Hitler. Even the Solarian jerks who think that its okay to 'recycle' humans if they don't like what they do.
Okeyday? <-----Couldn't resist that.
Anakin Skywalker-First of all, not everything in Episode I has to develop his character. Its just as much his story as Qui-Gon Jinn's or Obi-Wan Kenobi's or Queen Amidala's/Padme Naberrie's.
Although, in a way, Darth Maul did cause trouble for Annie by slaying Qui-Gon, leaving Anakin with no friends among the Jedi, sick at heart, and adrift. He had no friends among the Jedi, he didn't want to leave his mother, I'm pretty sure he'll try to save her, and fail, and his haste will cause Watto, or someone, to detonate her. Anakin was wrong for leaving his mother, he's already developed enough to show his weaknesses. If they're twisted the right way, showing him that the Jedi coming caused all this to happen...
Which brings me to my next point. The mere fact that he realized what he did was wrong makes him even more less of a villian than Demona at this point. I know he's not Palpatine's puppet, although Palpatine probably manipulated him into ending up like he did. I can easily picture Anakin saying something similar to ,"What have I... What have *they* done!?" in some form, or another. After that, he felt he had nothing left, and needed something in his life, so he wouldn't go insane, so instead of nothingness, he chose the only thing he had left. Hatred.
He realized what he did was wrong before taking Luke to meet Emperor Palpatine, I believe. He just thought it was too late for him at that point. The fact that he perished though, after finally understanding... Him and so many other people.
Darn it!!
Can't any of you learn to forgive?
XENOGEARS-I Quote from there because I like to Quote and XENOGEARS has incredible lines. I am not obsessed with XENOGEARS, and the characters do live when the system's off. Yeesh!
"Do you want the power?"-Grahf/Lacan
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Friday, August 6, 1999 09:23:26 AM
IP: 204.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net
Darth Maul > Once again, I fly to the defense of TPM.
It's a hard life.
Anyway, what's got me riled up this time is the argument that Darth Maul didn't advance the plot. To this I say: Sure he did! Darth Maul, IMHO, was the movie's namesake. He was the "Phantom Menace." He comes out of nowhere and leaves the entire Jedi Council baffled at the end of the movie. He makes the Jedi aware of the hidden threat that will no doubt be showing itself sometime in the future. His actions may have carried little weight in the movie, but it really says something when his mere *presence* causes such a stir in the Force.
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Friday, August 6, 1999 08:43:38 AM
IP: 156.40.117.111
Good morning everyone
Pistoff>> its definatly a western thing, attitudes, customs, there all so very different. Oh and you should try living in TX, (IT REALLY IS A WHOLE OTHER WORLD DOWN THERE) now don't ya'll texans get your britches in a kink, cause I really enjoyed living in TX, it just shocked me the differances in attitudes
oh well off to work--keep the fires burning in here
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclnik.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, August 6, 1999 08:35:46 AM
IP: 207.14.200.188
**THIS COULD TURN UGLY**
Ever had one of those experiences that, if it hadn't actually happened to you, you just wouldn't believe it did? I had that happen to me yesterday.
I was sitting at an intersection, waiting for the lights to turn green, when this panel van turns left into the street I was in. Well, I say turned, because that's where they ended up eventually, but not before smashing HEAD ON into my car. Now for the non-Australians, we drive on the left hand side of the road, so for this *ahem* driver to collide with my car the way he did, (and the road was not wet), he would have to drive half-way across the intersection, _then_ turn into me. In other words, it would have to be deliberate. If I had any doubts about this, they vanished when he backed up AND DROVE INTO ME AGAIN! THEN TRIED TO PUSH MY CAR INTO THE CAR BEHIND ME! Finally, when he realised I had both my hand-brake on, (and was just about pushing the brake-pedal through the floor at the same time,) so I wasn't going anywhere, he drove off.
Now, I know I have a weird sense of humour, but I'm afraid I can't see the funny side to that. But obviously he and his passenger could. They laughed their empty heads off the entire time they were ramming my car.
See what I mean about unbelievable? Seriously, I'd never seen the van, or the driver and his passenger, in my entire life before they smashed into my car. I wasn't even doing anything, just sitting at the lights, when it happened. So basically, I'm wondering what the living F**k was going on. These.. wastes of precious oxygen must have just decided they wanted to smash into a car, and my karma said it had to be me.
Fortunately, my car's still driveable, and it's not too badly damaged (gotta love those old cars that are just metal boxes on wheels:). And I got the van's registration number. But, the cops tell me the van belongs to a guy who's lost his licence. (Anyone surprised? Nope, me neither). Of course, that's not saying he was the one driving it at the time. It could have been stolen. Either way, I'm screwed. If the owner was driving, his insurance (if he has any) doesn't cover me for the damage to my car because he doesn't have a licence. If it was stolen (which is more likely - who would stuff up their own car?), well, they've got to catch the bastards first. Man, I wish I could get a hold of whoever it was. I swear, I'd do things to them that would make Demona vomit.
*OKAY, IT'S SAFE NOW*
So that was my fun day. Anyone beat that? *smiles wryly, then sighs* I swear, in the past two days, I have felt everything from complete terror, to shock, despair and burning rage. Now I'm just tired. Coyote, my friend, I'm
just going to borrow your brooding chair for this post, okay?
Xanathar> Got your emails. Thanks. :)
JackaL> I don't know whether to hug you 'cos I care or kick you for scaring me so much :). PLEASE don't do try to kill yourself again, okay? I'm really really glad you decided to not go through with it. Promise me, if you feel like you want to exit, talk to someone, play with your kids, smell flowers, pat a dog, do something that'll remind you why being alive isn't always bad. Please?
Wilek> >Err, which one? I've done so many they kind of run together. :}< The one where you took the twelve days of christmas and REALLY twisted it. :) >Someday, the insane shall inherit the earth. Those who are unfortunate enough to be sane will be reconditioned via daily exposure to the CR. If that doesn't work, we'll have them do taxes until they're homicidal, then draft them into the military. >:)< Whoa. Do you think it'll ever reach that point? Nobody here's survived with their sanity intact..so far ;).
Kitania> Congrats on the pay rise!
Christine> *imagines what the Obi-fic will entail and laughs wickedly.* Do you think we should send it to George? >:)
Scott> I thought Brooklyn and Angela were headed towards romance too. There were all these little things that suggested it, so when she chose Broadway, I was like, huh?
But, like you, once I got used to the idea, I agreed with what Greg had done. Gargs never really followed the cliched plots most cartoons have, which was why I like it so much. :)
Trey, Freya, ME (why do I feel like I'm talking to myself?:))> WELCOME TO THE MADNESS!! We like new people. :)
WELCOME BACK TRC!
Green Baron and Robby and Xanathar> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU...HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... :)
Fire storm> Yeah, okay, you've got a good excuse for not being here so much lately. :)
Kaioto> *grins* You and Lexy-chan enjoy yourselves, okay? :)
I'm sorry, but I just can't think of a decent RP tonight.
TTFN!
*gets out of the chair and leaves*
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 08:23:39 AM
IP: horse.cc.monash.edu.au
Hi all!!
**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Night time.
The Hearse and the DeVille scream past a road sign saying "WELCOME TO SANTA CRUS CALIFORNIA"
"Looks like we've been expected" said Jack motioning towards the police blockade up ahead.
The blockade consisted of two police cars and six officers the cars were coloured in the usual white and blue with the addition of a yellow smiley face under the police insignia the officers had similar insignia on their chest pockets.
"HALT" said a large Officer through a loud speaker
"YOU ARE UNDER ARREST FOR THE MURDER OF RICKY MARTIN AND FOR HATRED OF THE FIRST DEGREE"
Xanathar raised an eyebrow then turned to Wilek "Wilek send the DeVille on ahead to shake em' up a bit
The DeVille tore off down the road in the direction of the blockade the police opened fire but their bullets bounced harmlessly off its armor,panic swept trough the police ranks as lept out of the way of the DeVille as it ripped through the blockade and continued on down the road,meanwhile the large officer was trying to rally his men"GET BACK HERE YOU LILY LIVERED INBRED SONS OF..."he was cut short as he turned around to see the Hearse almost on top of him,he didn't even have enough time to scream before he became a red smear on the windshield.
"Damn Bugs"said Jack before turning on the wipers and skidding the car to a halt.
"Everybody out!" said Xanathar"lets have some fun"with that everybody was out of the hearse and after the police.
Pistoff caught one hiding behind a bush "Hey Bubba!!"said Pistoff the cop let out a scream but was quickly muffled as an Electric cattleprod was shoved in his mouth and cranked up to full power,elctricity danced all over his body until his head couldn't take it anymore and exploded"HEH HEH What a Mess!"said Pistoff grining.
Xanathar meanwhile had caught up with another policeman,the cop raised his gun to shot Xanathar but his gun arm was sliced off by Xanathars chainsaw,the cop screamed in agony and was then cut in half.
Half an hour later Pistoff,Xanathar and Jack were waiting for the others to return when Warpmind turned up with a grin on his face,"what took you so long?" said Xanathar questionigly I enjected a cop with a chemical that made his blood boil and then toasted some marshmallows over his roasting body said Warpmind.
Wilek and Miriam turned up two minutes later "We were testing some experimental weaponry on a couple of fine upstanding members of the policeforce" said Wilek,"The results are best left unmentioned" said Miriam
"Get in the Hearse" said Jack "at this rate we'll miss the Backstreet boys/Hansen concert"
Everyone piled into the hearse but Xanathar stopped noticing a torn and Bloodied Smiley face from one of the police uniforms,Crushes it under his boot and then hops in the hearse.
**To be Continued**
Whew that took me two Hours to put together.:)
Aaron:When I first came in here, I had a conversation with someone about the Young Ones, comparing Demona and Vyvyan. Was that you?>>No that wasn't me but it does sound interesting>:)
Green Baron:BTW, UC Santa Cruz History Professor Angela Davis has also been a VP candidate for the Communist Party USA. She may be the head of the sensitivity and love police :) or the Commisar of the region.>>Thanks for the tip,a rough mental image of a hearse crashing through the govenors bedroom window just popped into my head>:)
Jeb:The talk of Gargoyles toys reminds me... does anyone agree with me that the toy line was wasted? There were so many characters practically BEGGING to be made into a toy (how about the Pack or Thailog?), and all we got was umpteen different Goliaths. I mean, Kenner's Beast Wars and
Batman: TAS toys show they were capable of being creative and staying away from making lines full of variants...>>I do I've by some miracle Disney ever decides to bring back the show I hope Kenner doesn't do the merchandise,McFarlane toys is way better.
Pistoff:Backstreet Boys *and* Hansen...in Santa Cruz! That, my friend, was a stroke of genius! :)>>*Bows*Thanks Pistoff as you can see from my bit of the RP above I'm going to make sure Santa Cruz regrets its decision>:)
C'yas Later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Friday, August 6, 1999 08:05:54 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
WILEK - You wrote: [Admittedly, I know next to nothing about this, since I've never read the X-Men comics...but the
X-Men/Star Trek crossover novel Planet X couldn't have helped matters. I am not kidding.]
I couldn't believe that one. They start the story out in a comic book (and it wasn't even that good a story) and then they leave the last page as a cliffhanger that is continued in a novel. I understand that greed motivates publishers to a certain extent but it shouldn't induce stupidity and that's all that that was, just plain stupidity. I'm sure that those 5 dollar issues that they printed up are all sitting in a box right now that is marked "25 cents or best offer".
You wrote: [Heh...you're lucky you don't know much about it. From what I've seen so far, it looks as if it's going to be a travesty. And I mean the kind that makes TGC look good by comparison. Granted, all is rumor just now, but these are some *nasty* rumors. I sincerely hope they're wrong.]
I heard a little bit about the Dean Devlin's version of the script that would only star Goliath and has only the word 'Gargoyles' in common with the show. (I never understood, since he wrote a story about one Gargoyle, then why call the show "GargoyleS"?) Is this what your talking about?
I'm not worried about that script too much because somewhere in AskGreg, he mentions that they threw out Dean Devlin's script and got someone else to write it. On that script, I've heard absolutely nothing.
(In fact I'm not even really that sure about anything on the movie except that it seems to have taken up a permenant place in development hell. Was there any new information on it given at the Gathering?)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, August 6, 1999 07:49:48 AM
IP: 237.new-york-41-42rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Sorry, last link was defective... case sensitive, y'know. This one should work.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, August 6, 1999 04:03:57 AM
IP: mp-217-242-197.daxnet.no
*Wanders into the CR and raises a glass of X.O. toward Kaioto and Lexy*
Here's to you, best of luck forthcoming.
*Stares blankly at the webpage Wilek recommended, then starts to break up into small little bits*
ROFLMAO! Where'd you find such a page anyway? At least there's an advantage in my job; most people who enter the library are capable of reading by themselves, thus they rarely require more help than for me to check whether or not we actually have a specific book in the shelves.
By the way, there was an uncommon visitor yesterday; a viper entered the library. Knowing that the viper is poisonous to humans, albeit only capable of causing nausea and headache in non-allergics, and knowing that it is a weakling of galactic format, I seized its tail and carried it outside. Lord knows where it came from, but the three human beings (?) who were in the library apparently considered me brave. Phah, the brave are the ones who manage to defeat their fears. I have no fear of snakes. Respect, now, there's another issue.
**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Suddenly, a second pair of headlights appear next to the ones of the DeVille. Wilek turns his head and gasps.
"What the... that guy is STILL on our tail?"
Casually, Warpmind picks a cigar from a small case in his pocket.
"Not to worry. Jack, what's your estimate on when he'll catch us? Don't bother to outrun him... I've got a plan, unless you guys object to cigar smoke?"
Jack looks at Warpmind in the rear view mirror.
"Hmmm... we've got fifteen minutes. And don't you dare spil ashes on my seats, blood is bad enough. And open the window."
"Gotcha."
Casually, Warpmind opens the rear window of the hearse and lights up. After ten minutes, a soothing scent of top quality tobacco is spreading in the car.
"Miriam... you might want to get the DeVille out of the way."
Wasting no words, Miriam guides the DeVille to the other side of the road. Before even a quarter of the cigar is smoked, Warpmind tosses it out of the window and backwards. The others stare at him, and Xanathar opens his mouth.
"Dammit, Warpmind, that was a PERFECT cigar. Why'd you waste it like that?"
"Simple. I've always preferred to throw away the exploding cigars before reaching the charge. In this particular case, it's a heat-detonated fusion bomb."
There's a loud boom behind the hearse, and the police vehicle is observed spreading itself over a very wide area. The hearse and the DeVille have, fortunately, gained enough distance to avoid falling shrapnel.
"Woo-hoo! That was beautiful, dude. Where can I get those?"
"Simple. You can't. They're unique, or, at least for the next twenty years. They were a gift from a time-traveller from 2062. That was the second cigar I ever used."
"What was the first?"
Warpmind looks at Pistoff, then Xanathar, Jack, Miriam and Wilek, in that sequence.
"I guess I can trust you... I got the cigars to save the future... by preventing the education of a yet unborn child. The one who would be his mentor in 2010 was an evil man at heart, and would turn this child to the dark. The child would in turn grow up to open the gates of Hell and let loose every demon there is on the face of the Earth. However, I caught up with this teacher before he boarded his plane a while back... you might have heard of it. I believe it was called TWA something..."
"That was you? You lowly piece of... then again, some must die for all to live, am I right?"
Warpmind replies grimly.
"Right. But I still feel there might have been an alternative, some other way I could have disposed of him and avoided killing all those people. Oh, well, now for the last part of saving the future. According from that time traveller, the future will suffer heavily from a suicide wave, when 30,000 people over one year will jump off buildings because they can't get Hanson's songs out of their system. Time to make room for other artists?"
The hearse keeps moving, closely followed by a driverless DeVille...
**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES...**
Did I really write all that? Wow.
ST: First Contact: I didn't think it was all that bad; it made me want to see more (I saw this before the show started rolling on Norwegian TV screens this spring... ain't life a bitch?). Frankly, I'm a sucker for Sci-Fi, but I'm no die-hard trekkie; there is life beyond Star Trek. (After all, it's Gargoyles everyone in here lives and breathes for, right?) Anyway, the best Star Trek movie plot was probably the first. V'ger and all (plus, that was one damn pretty Deltan, or whatever... that bald chick).
Oh, well, gotta go. Hey, found this wave somewhere... it's kinda corny, but amusing. Click my name for it. **WARNING** It's big, so you modem users be careful now, ok?
Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, August 6, 1999 04:02:23 AM
IP: mp-217-242-197.daxnet.no
Greetings from the magical land of cheese ... where for some reason you can get a cab anywhere for $1.50, but everything including the cabs close at 9PM ...
"Weird ... kinda fun, but weird."
Well, this is very cool. I survived the plane ...
I survived meeting Lexy-chan ... though she hid next to the gate counter, so I couldn't see ... I walked past, only to feel something wrong and turn around ... and spot her *sighs happily*
I survived meeting Lexy-chan's mom ... Offerings of Dunkin Donut's Coffee imported to the Midwest make quite a good impression ...
Two days together ... and it is like those entire 9 months we've been together ... that it didn't matter they weren't in the flesh ... everything fell right into place ... walking, talking, laughing, eating ... maybe we just got so worried it turned inward and demolished itself before we could panic ... either way ... 2 days and counting ... and on certainly more than passible terms :)
*sighs happily* What did I ever do to deserve this? I dunno ... but I'm very grateful ...
Well, I hope we hear from JackaL soon. I'm still concerned, even here.
Hm ... looks like Liz-chan has fallen asleep ... now how to move without disturbing her ... :)
Laters.
Kaioto (w/Lexy) - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
West Bend, WI, USA
Friday, August 6, 1999 02:23:16 AM
IP: d080.hnet.net
Denis> <<about Freddy Kruegger> It's quite simple: he's a specter if you read Wraith the Oblivion's sourcebooks, you'll find all the Arcanoi you need to simulated his powers.>> Fascinating...I know which book I'm picking up next. Thanks! ^_^
Todd> Regarding your four horsemen creativity demon> This gave me one of my own--since the clan has been responsible for relegating a lot of apocalyptic events to the status of false alarms, the horsemen decide to destroy the clan. O_o <<where halfway through the book I began to imagine Jonathan Frakes delivering the Patrician's lines>> You do that too? Cast actors in novels I mean. I do that all the time--who else here thinks that Mara Jade would be played by Patricia Tallman if the Zahn trilogy were ever made into a film...? <<And although they did make a toy of Brooklyn's motorcycle - or so I heard; I never paid that much attention to the merchandising division of "Gargoyles", actually>> They did. Ludicrous thing, too; the big metal thingie at the front of it could be fired from it like a missile. That could only have been added by the buffoons at Kenner. I used to have a lot of respect for them, but lately, a depressing portion of their work is fit largely for the scrap heap (with the notable exception of their Star Wars line). Has anyone seen those vomitous Batman Beyond figures? Eesh. They used to have such kewl stuff, like the earlier Batman figures, or the Ghostbusters line. <sigh>
Xanathar> <<Hey thats one of my boss killing fantasies(Gargoyles collective unconcious strikes again)>:)>> Again?! I've noticed that a *lot* of this kind of thing happens in this fandom. Are we *this* weird? ;P
Aris> <<His opponenents are frustrated, seeing him move pieces around almost randomly with no concept of long-term strategy and little knowledge of the actual rules, and yet at the end always seeing him somehow win...>> :O <reverently> Chaos...order from randomness...<back to normal> Huh? Had a weird moment there...
Airwalker> <<But what about that Gargoyle movie that's being made? He's not writing it, and for all we know all the input he gives might be ignored. How would we react to that? It is after all what is developing now.>> Heh...you're lucky you don't know much about it. From what I've seen so far, it looks as if it's going to be a travesty. And I mean the kind that makes TGC look good by comparison. Granted, all is rumor just now, but these are some *nasty* rumors. I sincerely hope they're wrong.
Coyote> <<Which brings up another sudden CD involving Comedy Central's *other* game show ... picture this contestant lineup on "Win Ben Stein's Money": Michael Eisner Greg Weisman and Christine Morgan. Of course, Eisner is the first one to go. ;)>> I can just see it--a few days before the match, someone directs Eisner to Christine's site. He either commits suicide or calls in sick. >:)
Aaron> regarding DCina and getting the Disney execs to sue us> Have I ever told you that I like the way your mind works? >:)
DarkAngel> I saw that Vampire Baker comic. One of the vampires (the one who saved their backsides in the May 12 issue) looks eerily like one of my own fic characters (except with a goatee). And one of the other characters (the one with the pet weasel or whatever it was named Kiki) uncannily resembles a cartoon version of me. O_o
Kyryn> <<I had a friend when I was growing up whose name was Margarita Nafpaktitis.>> <blink> I don't know whether that's an exotic tropical drink, an exotic tropical disease, or an Egyptian pharaoh. ;P j/k <<Southwest Texas Junior College here in Uvalde actually has Rodeoing as a major.>> Um...what? Rodeo as a major? What the... <sigh> That is so...weird. I don't even understand the entertainment value of rodeo, but taking a *course* in it?!
Freya> <<Does this site have an episode guide?>> I *think* there's one at www.gargoyles-fans.org, but I'm not sure.
Doug and Kitainia> <<There's definitely one person in the Society who knows about Brooklyn's travels- Harthoth. Remember Sun & Serpent and Crossroads? :)>> Um...Harthoth is in the Illuminati? Or am I just dense?
JEB> <<Actually, wasn't the Gargoyles Night Striker vehicle a version of the helicopter? I thought there were structural similarities...>> You know, I thought so too! Although I'm not quite sure what it's really supposed to be. There's no visible means of propulsion (and this is before antigravity was discovered) and it's specially designed only to hold Goliath and Lex. Strange, strange little toy.
Baby Fey> <<Yup, i was raised on the beatles, but that cartoon is just so weird that it's fun to watch. Though I'm fairly sure it was designed to be watched while on LSD...>> I always kinda thought that it itself was an animated representation of an LSD trip. Of course, several of their songs were about drugs anyhow, or so I've heard.
You> Welcome! :D Allow me to escort you to our sanity extraction equipment. <escorts Me to a modified Mr. Thingy> Don't worry, it won't hurt...*much*.
SJ> <<Hey, you guys remember that family vacation I didn't want to go on? The one that got postponed? Well, it's most likely gonna happen this weekend. So, I can maybe post tomorrow, but that's probably it. I'll be M.I.A. for about a week or so.>> That stinks. I wonder how one can derive some amount of fun from an otherwise boring family trip...hm, I'm all out of ideas on that, at least ideas that wouldn't send you to prison. :/ <<You, sir, have done in a few brief sentences what Lucas could not do in one entire movie. Jar Jar, as a tragic character? BRILLIANT!!!>> Wow. Rather high praise, coming from the guy who wrote 'Madness Is In The Blood'. :) <<Jar Jar is no B. Clinton, that's for sure!>> Which, trust me, is a good thing. If I heard that he had an affair with Padme during his tenure as a Gungan general, I'd probably become a gibbering lunatic. ;P
Comic continuity> Admittedly, I know next to nothing about this, since I've never read the X-Men comics...but the X-Men/Star Trek crossover novel Planet X couldn't have helped matters. I am not kidding.
Pistoff> <<He was a jock, basically. Nothing special, yet everybody here adores him--everybody except me. The reason he isn't still with us is because he died after getting drunk one night and wrecking his car. So now we have a street named after him, and a marathon in his name. What's that telling our kids? "Yes, boys and girls, drinking and driving is COOL!!">> ACK. <sigh> It's this kind of thing that really harms my faith in humanity. Maybe it's time we evacuated the truly intelligent segment of the population (us) to an Eclipse Star Destroyer or something and bid farewell to the idiots in style--with a 2100 turbolaser salute. >:)
Christine> <<according to a map of Carlsbad Caverns, New Mexico, there is a chamber in there named "The Rookery." Proof? Whaddaya think?>> Hm...a new clan? All manner of creativity demons there...
**JOYRIDE**
[As Cthulhu rips down the highway, something occurs to Miriam... "Our conveyance has rather...unique...abilities, many of them reverse-engineered from alien technology. Perhaps it would be fortuitous if it were close at hand; especially if we meet another enforcement officer who is not as easily disheartened as the previous one." Jack: "Sure thing; I'll just turn around here--" Miriam: "The offer is appreciated, but you need not go to the trouble." She then opens a channel to the DeVille's computer on her commlock: "Computer, lock on current location and follow." Computer: "Confirmed." Within minutes, its headlights can be seen in Cthulhu's rear view mirror. Pistoff: "Pretty slick gear." Wilek: "Isn't it though. I think it can break the sound barrier when its ion engines are deployed." Miriam: "It would sustain serious damage in the process, but the capability is there." Jack: "Nice. Maybe when we take care of Hanson and the Backstreet Boys, we can have a drag race. <grin>"]
**END**
Wilek Nereus
Friday, August 6, 1999 01:29:12 AM
IP: tnt-3-132-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Pistof> Thanks, it's very refreshing to know that someone else feels just the same way I do about that film. If you haven't already read it, I highly recommend the ST novel "Federation". :)
SJ> I agree with you 100 percent. Psychological terror is the most effective. People like Alfred Hitchcock knew this. As an example, I think that the recent new release "The Haunting" showed too much, and as a result it ceased to be scary. I thought the freakiest scene was near the beginning when Theo and the other woman hear the sounds and the door to the room starts pounding. After that, the film went downhill. Sure there were some memorable jolts (the fireplace scene) but the movie was no longer scary, because we were seeing the ghosts.
***POTENTIAL SPOILERS FOR BWP***
In BWP, we didn't see a thing of the witch, and that was what was best. But I don't think the makers took advantage of the "unseen terror" angle enough. Instead, after the point when Josh disappears, they begin to retrogress back to the Hollywood stereotype, and everything begins to feel less real and more manufactured. Two prime examples: When Heather finds the body parts in the stick bundle. And when she gives her video confession, which I thought was overacted and felt scripted. But most importantly (though I do seem to be in the minority in this last respect) the horror during the tent scene is never reached again.
I also wanted one of the characters to go out and confront the unseen terror when it is striking. In a situation like that, you often come to the point where you're so detached from reality that you don't care anymore. Yeah, you're scared shitless, but you go and face the storm anyway, because you're sick of cowaring. It might've been neat if Josh had been the one to do that and that was when he vanished.
Another thing was that there was no backstory on the witch herself. How on the website it goes into how she was tried and executed for killing children, and her spirit was said to haunt the woods. And there was the one story in specific where the woman saw a hand reach out from Tappe creak and pull a girl in. None of that was mentioned.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the film. Up until Josh vanished, like I said, I was into it, and I still think it was a triumph... just wasn't perfect.
***END POTENTIAL SPOILERS***
Entity
Friday, August 6, 1999 01:20:14 AM
IP: ely-oh4-46.ix.netcom.com
Coyote > I wrote yours first ; ) But lemme tell you, those two Silver Flames plus the Godiva story ... whew! I'm _out_ of energy! Well ... no ... I think I can find something left for Obi-Wan ... ; )
Something interesting > according to a map of Carlsbad Caverns, New Mexico, there is a chamber in there named "The Rookery." Proof? Whaddaya think?
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 12:10:02 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net
Wilek: The thing about the medium stuffed crust...hell, that's nothing! Today somebody ordered a "large diet Coke." I told her, "We only have 2-liters and 20-ounce bottles. Which would you like?" Her response: "Just gimme a can." I said, "Was 'can' one of the options I mentioned?" She said, "Ummm...no." So I said, "THEN I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE!" <And the interesting thing is, it's so impermanent; after the meal, it's but a memory. Something like a sandcastle. A flower is most beautiful shortly before death.> Wow, that was beautiful. Very poetic. :) As for the letters that pissed off everybody in town--the latest one I wrote pissed off all the yuppies in town, and I have a copy of it on my hard drive. The one before that was a rant about how a Fun Festival they have every year gets in my way when I'm trying to deliver pizzas. One of the main events was a marathon in the memory of Steve Prefontaine. Most people have no idea who that guy was, but he was really big in Coos Bay. He was a jock, basically. Nothing special, yet everybody here adores him--everybody except me. The reason he isn't still with us is because he died after getting drunk one night and wrecking his car. So now we have a street named after him, and a marathon in his name. What's that telling our kids? "Yes, boys and girls, drinking and driving is COOL!!" I'm not sure if I still have a copy of this one, but you'd like it, it's quite inflammatory. :) Just let me know if you'd like to see 'em, and I can email 'em to ya.... :)
Xanathar: Backstreet Boys *and* Hansen...in Santa Cruz! That, my friend, was a stroke of genius! :)
Delphi: My god, the rodeo class is real?! Can you imagine what it would be like to go to school there and not graduate because you failed Rodeo? hehehehehehehehe!
Aaron: Ahh, good point. If that woman was faking it, she should be nominated for an Oscar. :) And your plan for getting the Disney execs out of the way is brilliant! Count me in!
Kyryn: Rodeo...as a major...in college?!?! So much for the theory of evolution. :P
Green Baron: Thanks for the info on Angela Davis. That'll come in handy.... ;) Oh, and since you were hoping for an invasion of Avalon...would Jack Hammer count? hehe Sorry your birthday wasn't very happy. I hope the days that follow make up for it. And as for your comment about getting old: As Walter Matthau once said, "You're never too old as long as you can still masturbate." :)
Wilek again, about www.customerssuck.com: Oh my gawd!!! Hoo-ah! Yessss! Thankyouthankyouthankyou!! :D
Entity: Thanks for emailing me that rant. :) You hit every point dead-on. IMO, First Contact was not only one of the worst Star Trek movies, but one of the worst movies in cinematic history. And to think Gene Siskel said FC was the best of all the Star Trek films. Of course, he *did* have a brain tumor.... (I know, I shouldn't kick a guy when he's down--but as Jack Hammer would say, I can't think of a better time.) I actually brought up the point about Zephram Cochrane being from Alpha Centauri in the other CR a few months ago, and suddenly I was gang-banged by Trekkies who insisted that Cochrane was from Earth and later moved to Alpha Centauri. That was never mentioned in any of the TV eps, certainly not the one Cochrane appeared in ("Metamorphosis"), yet they all claimed that the info came from an "official" source. What source? The Star Trek Technical Manual, or something like that. Somebody even quoted a passage explaining that Cochrane was born on Earth. But I'm not interested in what some idiot technical manual says. How do we even know how accurate it is? Besides, I don't waste 15 or 20 bucks on some stupid technical manual whose entire purpose is only to suck more money out of the Trekkies' pockets. If it's not on the screen, if it's not mentioned in the TV show or movie, then it's not there. Period. Actually, my guess is that somewhere along the line, the writers noticed that they'd screwed up--after the film was released, of course--and tried to hide their mistake by having the Technical Manual revised with the new info added... ;) Anyway, thanks again. I agree with every point you made in your rant.
**JOYRIDE RP!**
Jack glances in the mirror and shrugs. "No big deal. What my car can't outrun, it can run over." He frowns, then shrugs again. "Of course, I have yet to encounter something that Cthulhu can't outrun."
"Not yet," Wilek says, grinning. "Maybe we can have a little fun with this."
"Yeah," Pistoff chimes in. "I've got an idea already." He reaches into his trenchcoat's inner pocket and pulls out a pair of mirrorshades.
Jack grins and pulls out his own shades and puts them on. He slows and stops, and the cop car stops behind them. The cop gets out and swaggers up to Cthulhu's driver-side door, his thumbs hooked under his belt and a smarmy grin on his face.
"Do you know how fast you were going?" the cop asks.
"Not nearly fast enough," Xanathar quips. The others chuckle.
The cop isn't amused. "Say, son, what's with the trenchcoats and sunglasses. You wouldn't be thinkin' about shootin' up a school, would you?"
"In most cases," Jack says, "that would be a waste of ammo. The beer-drinking @$$holes I went to school with will remove themselves from the gene pool sooner or later."
"Take off the sunglasses, kid. I wanna see if your pupils are dilated."
Jack smirks. "What you see may cause you to have a seizure."
The cop puts his hand on his gun. "Do it."
"Okay. Don't say I didn't warn you." Jack takes his shades off, revealing his solid-black cybernetic eyes, like obsidian marbles stuffed into his eye sockets. The cop takes a couple of steps back, the air rushing out of his lungs in a short, sharp, "whooooosh!"
"Told ya," Jack says. "Now, just do whatever it is you're about to do, and let's all get on with our lives."
The cop points a shaky finger at him. "You just wait right here." He walks back to his patrol car.
"Yeah, right." Jack floors it an pops the clutch, and the hearse launches so fast that everybody in the back is pinned against the back door for a moment. "Oops. Sorry about that."
Everybody rights themselves, grumbling under their breath.
"I think we can use some tunes." Pistoff puts a CD into the stereo and turns it up. The Dead Kennedys' "Police Truck" blasts from the speakers as the hearse roars on down the road....
**END RP FOR NOW**
SJ: Aw, damn. Too bad that family reunion can't be put on hold indefinitely. We'll miss ya, and hope you come back soon. And I agree with you about slasher movies. Seen one, seen 'em all. The reason they're so successful is probably because audiences don't want to be challenged by something. It's probably similar to the reason that cookie-cutter romance novels and Star Trek books make such a huge profit.
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Friday, August 6, 1999 12:08:48 AM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com
*Sigh* SERIOUS brain fart on my end. I meant to say that the Nimoudians were politicians, not the Gungans. Jar Jar is no B. Clinton, that's for sure!
Delphi: I have no idea what station Pern will be on, probably cause it won't come out for about a year. However, I assume it'd probably be either syndicated or on cable.
Sevarius Jr.
Thursday, August 5, 1999 11:59:40 PM
IP: 207-172-117-137.s137.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
quick post before turning in, time to return to the world of retail tomorrow
Wileck(sp?)Great site
SJ>>Pern series, what station is going to air it?
David G> got your em
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Thursday, August 5, 1999 11:31:45 PM
IP: 207.14.200.88
Hey, you guys remember that family vacation I didn't want to go on? The one that got postponed? Well, it's most likely gonna happen this weekend. So, I can maybe post tomorrow, but that's probably it. I'll be M.I.A. for about a week or so. :(
*****ENTERTAINMENT NEWS*****
BIG X-Men Movie News: It looks as if Joss Whedon, who most folks in here know is the Weismanish creator/writer for Buffy TVS, has been hired to revise the draft of the X-Men movie script. This is both good and bad. The good news is that, hey, it's Joss! He's a big comic fan, and we know he's capable of some quality story-telling. However, the bad news is that the script needs any help at all.....this of course, adds to my fears that this movie will not be very good. Here's to hoping any problems that exist Joss can weed out (like, for instance, the fact that Rogue is a teenage telepath...).
PERN fans: It looks as if a "Dragonriders of Pern" tv show is in development and will hit the air waves....eventually. Unfortunately, you'll have to wait till *next* season, the fall 2000 season, for episodes to start. Still, it could be worth the wait! :)
*****END E-NEWS****
Airwalker: I think the problem with Maul was that he did *not* advance young Anakin's development or advance the plot much at all. Come to think of it, save for a brief maybe 5 seconds halfway throught the movie, I don't think Maul even came within 100 feet of Anakin. Perhaps an argument could be made that he advanced Anakin by killing Qui-Gonn, who was Anakin's mentor and father-figure....but then again, there's a problem with that. Anakin didn't see Qui-Gonn die at Maul's hands, he only heard about it afterwards and saw the body (after, of course, Maul was in pieces thanks to Obi-Wan). Essentially, Maul didn't really do jack to aid Anakin's development.
As for furthering the plot, like I said, Maul was delegated to the status of "hired muscle". He's barely in the film except for the last few minutes, and that was just to fight the Jedi. Okay, let's say Lucas just created him to be the apprentice who gets offed so Sidious can get a new apprentice (probably Anakin). That'd probably be okay....if the movie's villains weren't so weak that they have serious problems holding up the film (the Gungans are nothing more than politicians, and the battle droids get their arses handed to them worse than Stormtroopers). As it stands, Maul did not help develop Anakin or advance the plot, and therein lies my frustration.
BTW, I agree, what the HELL was Marvel thinking when they brought back Aunt May? Jaysus, it's like all the Spidey writers/editors got together for a meeting and thought--"We need to bring back somebody from Spidey's past who will give us pages and pages of dramatic storytelling.....Hey, how do we resurrect May?!" Sheesh.
Wilek: O _ o You, sir, have done in a few brief sentences what Lucas could not do in one entire movie. Jar Jar, as a tragic character? BRILLIANT!!! God, that would have been one thousand times better and more dramatic than to have him be a clumsy, mush-mouthed moron stumbling over everything for 2 hours. Oh wait, I forgot, kids won't like him if he didn't act like an idiot and make fart jokes. What was I thinking, believing that children can appreciate something intelligent and of real quality?
Paul: What? Anakin wasn't a villain? Perhaps not as that 8-yr. old boy, but if you mean he wasn't a villain as Vader, that's about as wacky as your "Demona wasn't a villain!" comment. Vader was responsible for killing countless individuals in the Star Wars films/books/etc. He wasn't manipulated then. The whole reason his turn in Jedi is so dramatic is because he realized that he had done wrong (*not* that he was Palpatine's puppet) and he rectified that.
As for TPM being "flawless"....I haven't read the book, so may *it* is. But the movie was so damned flawed it isn't funny. Lucas is many things, but he is not a flawless storyteller.
Entity: Count me in as one who found the last 10 minutes some of the most disturbing I've ever seen on film. But I understand the way you feel, there are several folks who found the ending to be a let down. I thought the opposite--the suddenness, the abrupt ending, as they entered the cellar.....it chilled me to the bone. This movie was almost 100 percent psychological terror. It was mostly mental, and I have a theory as to why some people didn't like it.
I have a concern that, in today's movie-going culture, we've become indoctrinated with the visual and not the mental. We've come to expect a monster to pop out suddenly, or the killer with the butcher knife to suddenly appear to give us that shock. IMO, that formula has been done so much that it doesn't reall deliver anymore, but we've come to expect it. We expect Freddy Krueger to appear all of sudden from the closet, or to see that serial killer in the hockey mask to appear from behind that tree at the the end of the film. Psychological thrillers are nowhere near as common or successful as the millions of Scream clones or slasher flicks. Those type movies (slashers) are all visual, while with movies like Blair Witch, it's all about what you *don't* see. The terror is psychological, it gets in your head. When a film achieves this, such as with BWP, or such classics like "Carnival of Souls" (the original) or some of the works by Hitchcock, it's a wonderful thing indeed. But my concern is that we're so accustomed to bug-eyed monsters jumping out for one last hurray, or murderers with hatchet lying in wait, that people are upset when the predictable doesn't happen and they don't appear. Would BWP have been better had the witch appeared and ate the kids in the last minute? In my opinion, to see even a glimpse of the witch would have taken away from the film. This film was supposed to get in your head and send chills down your spine, not give you cheap shocks like the witch jumping out of a tree or something. Then again, not all films are for everyone...I for one don't like much of the stuff that comes from Hollywood anyway. ;)
Jumping on Comics: I got so frustrated that, over the last couple years, I only started to pick up books starting with issue 1. This wasn't too hard, cause Marvel and DC restart their titles over and over again like madmen. The comics I currently collect include Danger Girl, Battle Chasers, Crimson, Black Panther, Daredevil, Rising Stars, Amazing Spider-Man, Gambit, Earth X, Crow, and Mutant X....all of which started their publication runs in the last year and a half. It's sad that things have come to that, but for me, it's the least painful way of keeping up with continuity.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 11:14:13 PM
IP: 207-172-117-137.s137.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
Hi all.
Not much to say, but if you're bored and feel like reading why "Star Trek: First Contact" sucked, I have that page up now. :)
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/rothside/527/
Entity - [cotleur@ix.netcom.com]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 11:09:49 PM
IP: ely-oh4-46.ix.netcom.com
Just wanted to remind everone in here if you don't do so already to:
VISIT THE STATION EIGHT COMMENT ROOM!
VISIT THE STATION EIGHT COMMENT ROOM!
AARON - You wrote: [I dunno, even outside the X-books, so much of Marvel's continuity is loco. Like Spidey. Who's alive, who's dead, who's a clone, who's not? Know what? Who cares? I think I'll go read something with a plot.]
I agree that Marvel has at times made a mess of it's continuity. But Spider-Man's past, even with the stupid resurrection of Aunt May (What the hell were they thinking!?), it's still much simpler and easier to understand than anything like Hawkman's history in the DC universe. They pretty much answered all the major questions as to who's who (Ben was the clone and now he's dead so that's not going to come up again anytime soon).
Still you do have a point. There are better books out there with actual plot and good art. There's The Authority and Planetary, there are the Alan Moore ABC titles particularly Promethea and Top Ten, there's Martian Manhunter and Rising Stars. All books that are a hundred times better than X-Men and Spider-Man.
ILLUMINATI AND TIMEDANCER - Duval might not know exactly who Brooklyn and Sata are but he does know that the Phoenix Gate was in last seen in the hands of two Gargoyles. He knows that since at least the 13th century according to the scene in CROSSROADS 1. It's possible that along the line he found out more details about the two time traveling Gargoyles although he might not know much more than that they are a red beaked male Gargoyle, and a green Japanese sword wielding female Gargoyle.
COYOTE - I see what you mean. I didn't like Gaia much either and was glad that she was written out.
Just remember when you think about Gen X nowadays, say to yourself - "Hama is gone, Hama is gone, he's not driving Gen X into the ground anymore, he's on Batman and Wild Thing now" - it'll help you think of Gen X much better :-)
(I picked up Tom Strong but it doesn't seem to me to be as good as Promethea and Top Ten. Tom Strong is just standard adventure - Tom comes in, fights villian, wins somehow, and goes off into the sunset with his family. I can't comment on Tomorrow Stories since I didn't get a chance to pick it up yet. I'll probably get a copy next week.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, August 5, 1999 10:53:31 PM
IP: 76.new-york-11-12rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
*peers in*
I didn't know this was here.
*gone*
Me
Thursday, August 5, 1999 10:06:54 PM
IP: ppp-158.m2-1.wsr.ican.net
Jenniren> The very first illuminist was on Atlantis
James Birdsong
Thursday, August 5, 1999 09:43:47 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
This was the color my last post was supposed to be. [Wilek bangs his head against the nearest wall.]
Me again
Thursday, August 5, 1999 08:48:31 PM
IP: tnt-1-155-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Pistoff and anyone else who has to deal with moronic customers on a regular basis> Click my name. I think y'all are going to like this. :)
Wilek
Thursday, August 5, 1999 08:47:08 PM
IP: tnt-1-155-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Hey all,
Fire Storm > Wow. Sounds like Mr. Murphy dedicated a lot of time to following you around lately ;)
Pistoff > Heh. Thx. :) If I ever manage to physically track this guy down, you'll be the first one I consult.
Wilek > [bows] Thank you, thank you, I really do try. Too bad I exhausted most of my best material on that one; I'll have to really save up for the next ;)
Xanthanar > See above. We aim to please. ;)
Kyryn > RE sicking the authorities on my hacker-friend > Oh, all in due time :) IF I can find his IP (a static IP would be ideal) I can contact his ISP and inform them, maybe get his accounts/service cancelled. If that doesn't work I'd contact someone in law enforcement, see if its worth the trouble (I'm *still* waiting for the guy who broke my jaw last year to be brought to trial - and that happened a year ago). If I can actually find his address and/or telephone number, his parents are going to be getting a few calls.
JEB > Hey, I just rented Virus for the first time last night. (Damn coincidences, keep following me around :) I was surprised, because I had wanted to see it for some time, and 9 times out of 10 when that's the case the movie ends up sucking big-time. Virus didn't, IMO, mostly because the writers knew when to quit (A happy ending? C'mon, at least show some arcing purple electricity on the helicopter, leave the mandatory room for a sequel :).
'Night all
==If you have to ask, you don't know. -Courtesy of the Department of Redundancy Department==
Steve Gooch - [Erebus642@aol.com]
Malverne, NY
Thursday, August 5, 1999 07:56:05 PM
IP: 98a9e24c.ipt.aol.com
**snaps out of fixation for a moment, grumbling**
Grr ... so much for that idea ... would've been *nice* if they'd mentioned on the damn flyers that you hadda buy the tickets from *TICKETMASTER!!*
Ah well, I've seen that one before ... I'll try again in two weeks when they show "Armitage III."
Christine: Read GB's Silver Flame story (naughty boy, GB!! ;), and I just hadda say one thing ... I'm surprised there was something left for mine! :)
Airwalker: Okay, thanks for the clarification ... it's just that issue rubbed me wrong, y'know? Besides that, Hama's introduction of Gaia almost made me drop the title, so in my mind it's still trying to earn its place back in my list (it's been supplanted as my favorite by a tie between "Young Justice," "Aria," and "Tom Strong.").
Aaron: Mine is basically along the lines of driving a *really short* pickup ... it weighs at least three tons and has a big block engine in it.
Baby Fey: Occasionally if you look at the stuff that was released in the late 60's-early 70's, you'd swear it *had* to be designed to go along with an acid trip. I don't remember who it was, but someone once said that you can't really enjoy the Grateful Dead unless you're tripping.
Nice wallpaper graphic ... I remember Venus (one panel in one of the *two* issues of the Gargs comic I have), but Lavonne is a new one on me ... ah well ... ;)
**sighs, looks at the tall candle again** God I wish she'd at least let me know she's still alive ... **sits back in the big chair and fixates once more**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, August 5, 1999 06:50:13 PM
IP: modem83.i-is.com
ARIS - As a matter of fact, I did check "Reaper Man" (which, according to the jacket flap, has Death becoming temporarily unemployed and having to take on a new job as a farmhand - no doubt he's had lots of experience with a scythe) out of the library, but haven't started on it yet, mainly because I checked out another book which I started on first, "The Fort at River's Bend" by Jack Whyte, part of an Arthurian series. It's "strictly historical Arthur", an effort at speculating what the historical Arthur (if there was one) might have been like, and has some interesting moments, if not exactly on the level of Mary Stewart. Oddly enough, there's a fairly major character in it named Derek whose oldest son is named Owen. (I'm sure that it's just coincidence, though).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 5, 1999 06:33:46 PM
IP: 205-242-93-93.dialup-stl.primary.net
Todd> So you are somewhere close to 'Reaper Man' or 'Moving Pictures'? Heh... The best is yet to come... The Patrician will appear a couple more times as a guest character in these books but his next major book is 'Men at Arms'... And yes, you are right, he is indeed a great Xanatos-like character.
Paul> <Sigh> I thought I had made it clear enough. Check what my name *is*. Check how you've spelled it the last two times. It's nothing serious but I found it rather humorous.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 06:26:43 PM
IP: athe530-f065.otenet.gr
One problem with getting rid of Oberon: who'd take his place? Madoc would be even worse, and as far as we know, Avallach doesn't have any other pureblood fay descendants, and I doubt that Emrys would want the job. (Of course, Greg did mention Oberon and Titania having a legitimate son and daughter together).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 5, 1999 06:17:47 PM
IP: 205-242-93-93.dialup-stl.primary.net
I'm not sure how many of you ppl read the Gargoyles comic, so far I haven't ran into many who have, but visit my link. In the comics there were two new females introduced (and subsequently killed off the same issue). The link is of a wallpaper collage of the femmes of the Gargoyles comic ^_^
Coyote> Yup, i was raised on the beatles, but that cartoon is just so weird that it's fun to watch. Though I'm fairly sure it was designed to be watched while on LSD... O.o Either way, it's a good movie.
Baby Fey - [kriskev@theriver.com]
Sierra Vista, AZ
Thursday, August 5, 1999 06:16:54 PM
IP: a35.pm3-24.theriver.com
Welcome to the room, all newcomers. :)
Coyote> Glad ya liked the update. :) And that's great about your grandmother! :)
Kaioto> Hope you and Lexy enjoy your time together. :)
WB Steve Gooch, Fire Storm and Baby Fey!
Green Baron and Robby> Happy birthday!! :)
Entity> You hated Star Trek: First Contact? Funny, it's my second favorite Star Trek film (my fave being Star Trek II). Yes, I am familiar with Star Trek, and I know there are continuity problems with the film, but I can put that aside, rationalize, and have fun. However, I'd rather like to see that rant document, see what your complaints are...
<<Censorship is a joke. But alas, it isn't a very funny one.>> Hear, hear.
Robby> <<I know I woulda been better of having seen the first two sasons of Transformers before the movie, but I haven't much choice in the matter do I? Ah well.. >> I realize you couldn't see it, I was just noting. <:)
Kitainia> Congrats on the raise! :) <<I've also seen possible parts for them in The Shadow (anyone else think it would have been cool for Lamont to have had a garg friend?),>> Me and my mom once had a creativity demon with Broadway stumbling onto the Shadow's lair, and the two striking up a partnership. Mom wanted me to write a story on it (she's always trying to get me to write), never did though.
Wilek, Xanathar> Regarding the Tobin's Spirit Guide... unfortunately, the computer I wrote it on is long gone, and any print-out I made was likely thrown out in some frantic cleaning spree. :/
R-Rating Carding> I actually don't see the problem with this. If you've been attending R-rated films legally, then you have nothing to worry about. It's only the people who go in illegally who'll have trouble.
Ash> <<Gargoyles itself had a motorcycle and a helicopter in it because they were made into toys. (Well, the helicopter wasn't which explains why we never saw it again).>> Actually, wasn't the Gargoyles Night Striker vehicle a version of the helicopter? I thought there were structural similarities...
SJ> I can see Nicholas Brendon as Spidey, but Sandra Bullock as Wonder Woman?? Uh... no, I don't think so. <:)
Marvel Comics> I stopped reading this for the most part after the Onslaught saga, which was the last storyline to grab me. Heroes Reborn was okay, and a few assorted issues of various titles interested me, but by the time the Heroes Reborn stuff ended, I was nearly soured on comics. As it
stands now, I haven't bought any comic book in over a year, excepting Gargoyles. They're just... uninteresting to me.
Mary> I'd like to see that teaser, please. :)
The talk of Gargoyles toys reminds me... does anyone agree with me that the toy line was wasted? There were so many characters practically BEGGING to be made into a toy (how about the Pack or Thailog?), and all we got was umpteen different Goliaths. I mean, Kenner's Beast Wars and
Batman: TAS toys show they were capable of being creative and staying away from making lines full of variants...
What Dreams May Come> *SPOILERS* Terrific film. But my mom despised it (she hates movies that make her sad). I was very impressed, however. I liked the concept that Heaven was what you wished it to be, though the fact that suicides go to Hell and get amnesia seemed VERY unfair to me. Oh well. *END SPOILERS*
Pistoff> <<And...they outlawed hate?!?! If I ever pass through that area, I'm gonna rack up a lot of hefty fines. ;)>> *LOL*
I recently saw "Virus" on video, as well.
*"Virus" SPOILERS*
This movie is okay. The concept of the aliens was intriguing, and the special effects were superb if disturbing at points. The actors pulled off an okay performance. However, by the end of the film it'd become
basically an Alien-type 'run from the monster' movie. I give this a 6.75 out of 10.
*END "Virus" SPOILERS*
Still gotta see "The Blair Witch Project" and "Mystery Men" this summer. :)
Mxyzptlk> According to DC's Who's Who comic from '84-'86, it's pronounced mix-yez-pit-ill-ick. In the Superman Animated Series, it's mix-yazz-spit-lick. Take your pick.
Off to do stuff and junk...
JEB - [JEb215@aol.com]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 06:14:59 PM
IP: abd372f4.ipt.aol.com
When did the Illuminati first learn of Timedancer? It must have been before Crossroads, which takes place in the future. Mace Malone seemed to know of Brooklyn and Sata in "Conspiracies" and that took place in 1953. When did Harthoth first get involved with the Illuminati? Maybe if I reread "The Sun and the Serpent" I'll figure it out. I wasn't looking for Illuminati clues the first time I read it.
And I understand it's Robby's birthday so HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROBBY.
Jenniren
Thursday, August 5, 1999 05:38:34 PM
IP: user-2ivf0v7.dialup.mindspring.com
RP WARNING!!
**Now everyone is back together in the fight. Th egas only knocked everyone out, but it still has a stench, so Kato lights a match only to be blown up by putting it too close to Attila's rear. Reverend Attila is then sent flying through the air, but it isn't known where he'll land. The scouts disappear to look for Attila, leaving Doug and his Ravens to face off against Guod and his remaining flunkies.
Meanwhile, 20 miles away, debirs is coming together at a central location, until it becomes a silvery liquid that reforms into OJ Simpson. It seems the chemicals in Guod's bomb have created a liquid OJ that may be indestructible.**
END RP!!
Kyryn, Robby, Coldstone, SOROW, Delphi, Wilek, Pistoff, Coyote, Jenniren, Xanthar, Doug and Kit collective> Thanks for the well wishes. A pity my birthday wasn't too happy. I guess I'm just getting old.
SOROW><<Spanky, spanky, kissy, kissy>> Thanks, that's my favorite present so far ;) I take it you read the Silver flame story ahead of time :)
Doug> $I hope you like the save. Poor Attila, though$
Pistoff and Xanthar, etc> BTW, UC Santa Cruz History Professor Angela Davis has also been a VP candidate for the Communist Party USA. She may be the head of the sensitivity and love police :) or the Commisar of the region.
Jenniren> I was surprised Oberon didn't do anything more. he's a jerk, but more a spoiled brat than a villain. I was hoping for an invasion of Avalon where Oberon is killed, but the Unseelie are eventually defeated :)
Paul Nathans> Sometimes some of the best villains are victims. Ever played Ravenloft?
Scott Iskow> I always thought Goliath meant innocent life is precious. Besides, one can still view life as precious and beleive that taking a life can be a justified form of punishment or self-defense in some cases. Gargoyles only take lives to defend themselves in battle or punish the likes of Hakon.
Coyote> I choose another carrot cake :)
Mary> Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but your idea is quit eamusing and if you ever make theses products and create a corporation, may I buy some stock, befoe the outfit goes public :) BTW, I'll give you my ex-girlfriend's address if you want a subject :)
Baby Fey and Firestorm> WB
Christine> That is also a very nice birthday present, too :)
:)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, August 5, 1999 04:56:37 PM
IP: 141.164.64.209
Doug and Kitainia> Duval knows about Brooklyn
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, August 5, 1999 04:55:35 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
Of course the illuminati knows about Timedancer. Crossroads Part 1 and the Watcherful Eyes kinda prove it to me.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, August 5, 1999 04:53:59 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
The Illuminati and the Timedancer: There's definitely one person in the Society who knows about Brooklyn's travels- Harthoth. Remember Sun & Serpent and Crossroads? :)
Stephen: $ Hope you have time real soon to update your RP. Doug and I are waiting on you to finish your character's fight before we write Guod's last gasp. :) $
Happy Birthday Green Baron and Robby!!
We'll post more later, along with four movie reviews. <gasp>
Doug & Kitainia
Thursday, August 5, 1999 04:45:52 PM
IP: pool-209-138-161-123.dlls.grid.net
Oh. Ok. Thanks. I just thought it was funny that they were all in Gargoyles together. One more - Does this site have an episode guide? I wanted to know what happened in the very last episode but I couldn't find one. Maybe I should take another look.
Freya
Thursday, August 5, 1999 03:30:18 PM
IP: 24.66.120.91.on.wave.home.com
***Kyryn goes into the library stacks, takes a left turn in the computer section and ends up in the CR. "Kewl. I figured that if all the libraries connected then there must be a computer access to the net in there somewhere, considering the amount of written works on it."****
Heyas all.
Coyote> Good to hear your grandmother is doing so much better.
Green Baron and Robby> Happy Birthday!
Oh, I finally got my pics from the G99 masquerade developed. I'll be posting them as soon as I get them scanned. There's one great shot of Elisagarg, Angela, and Rain in the hall with human Demona and all the gargs' eyes are glowing!
Kitania> Congrats on the raise!
FS> Good to see you again. I hope that life gets better from here on.
Starsinger and others> Thanks for the clues on the odd graphics.
Steve G.> You know, depending on where the hacker was, you actually could probably sick the authorities on the little twit.
Aaron> Man, that is not good-- not in this heat. Uvalde is at least slightly cooler, but I still wouldn't want to be driving with no AC in this heat. Heh, Heh. Your 'bomb' comment reminded me that I always liked the "Don't Mess With Texas" that has the WWII bomber coming over the hill after the guy who has just littered. "Roger. We've got 'im in sight. Opening bomb bay...."
Pistoff> Southwest Texas Junior College here in Uvalde actually has Rodeoing as a major.
Deuce> If you see this, check your email.
Aris> I had a friend when I was growing up whose name was Margarita Nafpaktitis. I can't begin to count the number of ways I heard or saw her name mangled.
Later All!
***Kyryn wanders out the way she came in, gets lost, then eventually makes her way back to Uvalde***
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, August 5, 1999 03:21:58 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
Hi all. Thought some of you would love what I just found. It's a comic strip called Sluggy Freelance. At some point they did a very funny parody of Buffy called
Muffin: The Vampire Baker
http://www.sluggy.com/d/990510.html
In the middle of the Muffin story, there's also about 2 "We interrupt this comic strip to give you a Phantom Menace report" which are also very funny.
I've read all the strips on the website, which dates from August 1997. My sides hurt.
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Thursday, August 5, 1999 02:30:09 PM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca
Not much time, pizza almost ready...
*Seeks out Aaron and kicks him soundly in the aft department for his last comment*
David G: Well, tough luck, we're both trying to find our way through L-Space, I guess... I met a very interesting orangutan today... unfortunately, I had forgotten to bring bananas, so he wasn't very helpful. At least I found my way home eventually... :| Oh, well, we might bump into each other sometime, someplace... I'm still gonna work there for a week.
Oh, well, until later...
Must... have... pizza... hungry.......
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 5, 1999 02:00:40 PM
IP: mp-217-238-39.daxnet.no
Aaron wanders in, accompanied by what looks like a female version of DC. She walks over to our favorite grimlin, and gives him a big smile, and makes as if to kiss his neck. DC looks really pleased with this turn of events, until she extends the razorblade from between her teeth, and draws it swiftly across his throat. DC looks utterly startled for a second, and then collapses to the ground.
Thanks, DCina. Aaron forks over some money, and the female grimlen departs.
That, ladies, gentlemen, and others, is a carrot and stick approach. Lure 'em with the carrot, and then bash 'em with the stick.
Airwalker> I dunno, even outside the X-books, so much of Marvel's continuity is loco. Like Spidey. Who's alive, who's dead, who's a clone, who's not? Know what? Who cares? I think I'll go read something with a plot.
Jenniren> Actually, I think Oberon is an even bigger @$$hole then that. I think the only real difference between Oberon and Madoc is that one of them won, and one of them lost.
Coyote> I wouldn't mind a little heat if it meant a chance to bomb an old Caddy down the Texas highway just once. It'd be like having a semi. Hahahahahaha! Fear me, mortals!
Entity> If you want a copy of TPM Abridged, either mail me, or leave your address when you post next. Or check the addy Wilek left.
Pistoff> I dunno, I always thought that was just a really great ploy to get out of jury duty myself. Hmmm, maybe when I have to go in Sept I should talk obsessively about Gargoyles, and see if they let me off.
Robby> Happy Birthday to you! And Neil Armstrong too.
Xanathar> When I first came in here, I had a conversation with someone about the Young Ones, comparing Demona and Vyvyan. Was that you?
Warpmind><<what's the term for groups larger than four?>> Um, an orgy? (Kidding)
Wilek> Instead of killing the Disney execs, we should let them sue us. Then they have to spend a buttload of money in legal fees, only to discover that none of us has any money worth suing for. The legal action bankrupts Disney, and then we can pick up the rights to Gargoyles, and anything else we want, for a song.
MC2> Not gonna comment on these. Marvel cancelled my fave look into the future, the 2099 books, and I we parted ways soon after.(X-Men 2099 was probably the only X-team I ever liked, cause there wern't any Summers or Grey-type characters)
Later.
Aaron wanders away, singing The Bellamy Brothers' "Old Hippee"
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:47:39 PM
IP: ppp-156.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
I've been out of the loop all morning, since I'm trying to stop reading the CR when I'm supposed to be working. Here's some random bits.
Warmpind> I was offline by the time you posted. I tried to get to a library in Norway, but I took a wrong turn and ended up in the library of Dream, where all the unwritten books are. I got wrapped up in a copy of the good version of Star Wars: Episode 1 and lost all track of time.
Thailog, the Illuminati, and Timedancer> I don't know about Thailog, but it's almost certain that someone in the Illuminati knows about the Timedancer. They have been keeping track of gargoyles, and repeated appearances of a red gargoyle, then a red and a green gargoyle would raise some flags.
On a side note, I don't think the illuminati is very united. Duval certainly doesn't control it as much as he thinks he does.
Marvel> X Factor made an interesting point a few years back. Guido was talking to the press, and complained because mutants got so much bad publicity just because of their origins. He said it wasn't fair that nobody called the Fantastic Four "Cosmicaly Powered Freaks" or the Avengers "Dangerous Superheroes."
There was something else, but I can't remember it right now. Maybe later. See ya'll.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:39:20 PM
IP: pppa20-fortworth6-4r201.saturn.bbn.com
Happy Birthday Robby!
COYOTE - You wrote: [I started collecting "Young Justice" with #2, and have been collecting it since, including all of their other appearances (although they *are* committing a bad recently, having a story cross over into "Supergirl" and the one-shot crossover into "No Man's Land.").]
I used to pick up Young Justice but I needed to cut back on titles due to lack of cash and closet space for all the books I have now. But I think that Young Justice already has something built into it to make it accessable. It's dealing with characters that are sidekicks and look like younger versions of more popular characters. They are different from main characters but at the same time similier enough in some ways. We have Superboy, Robin, Wonder Girl, Impulse and Arrowette, obvious younger versions of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Arrow. The only one who has no connection to popular well know heroes is Secret. That does make it a little easier to jump onto. (And the crossover with Supergirl, while not being that great of a crossover is at least having all it's parts being written by the same writer - Peter David writes both titles - and so makes it a more unified story which we don't usually get in a crossover that involves 20 writers all heading in different directions. The No Man's Land one shot is not really that important and can probably be skipped since it's only there to explain why Young Justice doesn't just go into Gotham and clean everything up - something the JLA should have already done.)
You wrote: [As for the last GenX, it's a *horrible* jumping-on point ... the story last issue you needed to at least know *why* everyone was freaking about their reflections being those of the Hellions. Not only that, GenX has been terrible in following up on plotlines and past continuity lately]
Actually it's not such a bad jump on point. The kids wake up and find out that they are in different bodies. That's the most important thing. That the Hellions are previous students of the White Queen and that they die in a battle is established later on in the story. Who they are individually is unimportant since the story is about why Gen X wakes up in their bodies the day that they died, not about who the Hellions were before they were stupidly killed off.
A few month's ago, I would have agreed about the book being horrible. After Scott Lobdell and James Robinson left the book (Lobdell left at the start of O:ZT and Robinson wrote the four issues with the kids on the run during that whole Bastion thing) the book landed into the hands of Larry Hama who while having written some good stories on Wolverine, had no clue what to do with this book and just proceeded to run it into the ground. The whole solution to the Penance/M plot was just horrible and even that is an understatment. However since issue #48 (the book is currently around 55 or 56) a new writer, Jay Faerber, has inherited the book and turned it around. The kids show personality and individuality. Plus the stories have been interesting.
The continuity problems that Hama created are being worked out. The next few issues are supposed to deal with the whole Penance mess. There are signs of good things going on. Instead of having Chamber and Husk just suddenly get together, we have her getting fed up with his constant angst and doing something about it. We have M showing an interest in Synch and at the same time Jubilee is reacting to that. The book was driven into the ground by Hama. If the few issues after he left don't seem as great as they should be, the reason for it should be recognised - the book has to pulled out of the ground and straightened up before it can move on it's way again - which is what is being done. If Gargoyles was brought back and TGC wasn't ignored, the same thing would have to be done. TGC drove the show into the ground. When it comes back, Greg will have to dig it out of the ground, dust it off, and then start to set it on the right path.
TODD - You have a point about the Helicoptor. I just wish that it had also been done away with just like the motorcycle in TEMPTATIONS. Since we never saw what happened to it, it remains as an open mystery. Did they leave it at Xanadu? Did they fly it home and then dump it somewhere on the idea that "What does a Gargoyle with wings need with a helicoptor, especially since the protectorate is an island and there is no need to really go beyond it." At least with the motorcycle we got some closure.
(Besides the only reason that they didn't make a Gargoyles helicoptor is because it would have to be huge to be able to fit the action figures into it. A motorcycle on the other hand could be cheaper to produce and still fit the figures.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:32:46 PM
IP: 156.new-york-21-22rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
THE PACK HELICOPTER - Of course, as I recall somebody (I forget who; it was a couple of years ago) once brought up, there would have been some practical problems for the gargoyles to keep it anyway. How do you hide it? How do you go about getting fresh fuel for it?
(And although they did make a toy of Brooklyn's motorcycle - or so I heard; I never paid that much attention to the merchandising division of "Gargoyles", actually - that didn't stop them from blowing it up in Act One of "Temptation").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:10:48 PM
IP: sys.slpl.lib.mo.us
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROBBY! This party just gets better and better. I would *kill* right now to be able to get into R rated movies by myself... not you of course ;)
Delphi> Hysterical birthday song!
Daniel> Awww man! That would make an awesome TGS ep! Maybe Brooklyn would finally be forced to confess about remembering all his travels. Poor Lex would probably try to kill him too! And WELCOME!
In today's newspaper there is an article on The Iron Giant that proves quite fasinating! It reads: "It's almost as if Mr. Bird (animator) rewrote the story of David and Goliath with David befriending Goliath, and Goliath becoming David's greatest advocate." Hmmmm...
SOROW
Thursday, August 5, 1999 12:51:05 PM
IP: usr11-dialup97.mix1.irving.cw.net
Greetings all...
ROBBY - Actually, you say his name "MIX-ill-Plick". Long time comics fan here, so I know the correct pronunciation.
PAUL - <I'm not obsessed with Xenogears...> Uh-huh. So why do you keep closing your posts with a quote from nearly all of the characters from that game?
Bud, I used to be obsesed with a RP game called "Battletech". I would buy all of the novels, design mecha and characters until my room was covered in mounds of character and tech sheets. It got so bad, I used to comment that the family car would be better with a Ground Effect system. Finally, it took one of my friends and my parents to knock some sense into me, so I could see that my life doesn't have to obsess over every facet of that game.
What is the point to all of this? Well Paul, IMO, you're obsessed with Xenogears specifiacally, and RPG games in general... and you just need to step back and get things in perspective. Yes, when you RP you are supposed to "live" the character, BUT, when the books are put away, the computer and the console are turned off, the character HAS to die, and the real person-- you --has to live.
No one is accusing you of not having a life outside of your RPG's. But you do mention them a lot, and compare a lot of other things with them, AND do the quotes thing...
Is any of this making sense to you, friend-Paul?
HAPPY BIRTHDAYS - Congrats Green Baron & Robby!
Will have time to update my RP later... Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Thursday, August 5, 1999 12:46:56 PM
IP: m159.ieway.com
Aaron > oh, gosh, that's particularly ironic when you consider that the new story I just posted is about Godiva ...
Wilek > nope, it's not Aaron who hired the Silver Flame ...
Scott > LOL, never said I wasn't a spoiled child myself! Nothing wrong with that! Part of what being creative is all about, IMO. If Lucas can make scads of money at it, more power to him! Just as I write what I want to write, he can make what he wants to make. But, just as I have to put up with gripes, so does he! It's all part of the package.
Oh, and lemme tell you, it was tempting as all get out to do just what you said and squish Jar Jar in fanfic, but I decided I'd be better off just leaving him out altogether! ; )
New on my site:
Indigo -- fanfic, for mature readers only, in which one woman must face the question "What would you give for the perfect body?"
Lord Verdant's Desire -- a Silver Flame story with no Gargoyles but a good deal of Talopea ... just in time for your birthday, huh, Green Baron? ; )
New pics in the Gallery and the Annex
Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 12:42:49 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net
**enters the room, switching out the candles, sitting in the big chair**
**sigh** And the lonely-thon continues ...
Fire Storm: Eeech, you got *sick* when ya got back from Dallas? Boy, you have no luck with Gatherings, do ya?
So you went and quit yer job ... hey, talk to my mom, she could get ya something with the place she works at, and more than likely you *don't* have to deal with stupid people all the time. (Contact me privately, I'll tell you about it ... she offered it to me first but I don't want it)
Entity, re: Blair Witch: It all depends on your mindset whether it scares you or not. If you look at it from *my* POV, as someone who *has* been lost in the woods before, it was terrifying for me ... because it was all too realistic.
Baby Fey: Nice to see ye delurk, lass. ;)
Hmm, methinks I see a Beatles fan in our midst ... I myself have only seen bits and pieces of "Yellow Submarine," but I've heard it's an interesting film if you see it straight through. Besides, Leonard Maltin gives it a four star rating in his movie guide, so it can't be all bad. :)
Airwalker, re: new comics: Maybe so, but you get in on the ground floor, and get a chance to *learn* about the characters and their world, as opposed to being forced to know everything in advance. And even still, sometimes you don't even have to pick up a #1 to get into the book ... I started collecting "Young Justice" with #2, and have been collecting it since, including all of their other appearances (although they *are* committing a bad recently, having a story cross over into "Supergirl" and the one-shot crossover into "No Man's Land.").
As for the last GenX, it's a *horrible* jumping-on point ... the story last issue you needed to at least know *why* everyone was freaking about their reflections being those of the Hellions. Not only that, GenX has been terrible in following up on plotlines and past continuity lately (no doubt because Scott Lobdell left the book, which meant everything he was leading up to went down the crapper ... the biggest example of this being the suggestion of a relationship between Jubilee and Synch. Once Lobdell left and Larry Hama came on, he introduced Gaia and made everything FUBAR. I can tell you I was *ecstatic* when Gaia was written out of the book.)
Wilek: Glad ye liked the CD, but I *think* it would me much more satisfying for the Gargfans to win the game fairly, rather than by letting our out of control imaginations conjure characters out of the ether and slaughter the Disney execs.
Which brings up another sudden CD involving Comedy Central's *other* game show ... picture this contestant lineup on "Win Ben Stein's Money":
Michael Eisner
Greg Weisman
and Christine Morgan.
Of course, Eisner is the first one to go. ;)
**sits back in the big chair** I'm posting early today because I'm going out to "Anime On The Hill" this evening ... Fantasticon is putting it on every Thursday this month at Freedom Hill (a concert hall). Tonight they're showing "Ghost in the Shell." Big fun, especially on a *big* screen. ;)
**sighs, fixating on the candles once more**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, August 5, 1999 12:34:09 PM
IP: modem32.i-is.com
Shameless Plug: I have a new story called Eruption posted at GFW. Please go and read it, then send me feedback. Thank you!
Doug
Thursday, August 5, 1999 11:57:55 AM
IP: pool-209-138-60-153.dlls.grid.net
Paul >
<waves hand around like some kind of Jedi>
~You want Jar Jar to perish. You will enjoy watching him perish. It is a good thing.~
Every life is precious, eh? Yeah, I suppose Hitler was doing the world a favor by putting an end to the over-population of genetically inferior races.
Riiiight.
*His* life ain't precious. I don't care what anybody says. Not even Goliath. Besides, he probably hadn't even heard about WWII when he said that. Plus, given the chance, don't you think Goliath would be willing to forget that little speech just to get his claws around Hakon's neck? Let's not forget that he wanted to do the same thing to the Hunters.
And what does this have to do with Jar Jar? Nothing, really. I don't *really* want him to die. I'm sure he's a perfectly nice Gungan once you get to know him. A little clumsy, but nice. Anyone who gives a Jedi master the raspberry can't be all bad.
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Thursday, August 5, 1999 11:39:41 AM
IP: 156.40.117.111
Daniel Hightower - [Does Thailog know of Brooklyn's time travels?]
I'm not sure how he'd find out, but I'd be curious to see how he'd use the information. Does the Illuminati know about Timedancer? Maybe they already do. Maybe Duval has already met Brooklyn in the past. Maybe Brooklyn told him something about the future back then... which resulted in an unfortunate event which would not have happened otherwise... which is why Brooklyn and Sata are so reticent about telling the clan anything about their future. Would Demona have conspired with the Captain to betray Wyvern to the Vikings if she hadn't first seen the future with her clan destroyed? The actions she took to prevent that from happening actually caused it.
Airwalker - about Wolverine's claws. I didn't mind their being bone, it just bothered me no end that sometimes he could use them like they were still adamantium and sometimes they would splinter to bits, according to the whim of the writers. As someone else said - lousy writers. But if the writers can't write for bone claws, they might as well change them back to adamantium. I don't feel they took full advantage of Wolverine's change of opinion about his adamantium either - a lot of repetition in that department. Repeating the same line of thought over and over in Wolvie's head does not constitute development.
I think I'd try Spider Girl, since you recommend that - if I could ever find it!
I don't remember young Anakin even meeting Darth Maul in TMP. So your question [did Darth Maul's appearance help to develop Vader and advance the plot?] might be answered "No" and "What plot?" and "You mean Vader's character was supposed to be being developed?" TMP wasn't wholly bad. I enjoyed the pod race despite myself, and the fight with Darth Maul was worth seeing too. Other than that, a lot of the background scenery and was interesting, though I think Lucas had other people helping him do that. Qui-Gon was good - probably my favorite character in the movie. But I was very disappointed in Yoda. I kept thinking "Why are all these grown-up people sitting around in silly costumes listening to that little piece of latex?" It's not something I considered at all when Yoda appeared in "Empire." TMP just wasn't done very well IMHO. The elements of plot, characterization, and special effects didn't come together the way they did with the first Star Wars movies.
Paul - I see you've just posted a letter on TPM. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, though apparently we both like Qui-Gon. Regarding Bleem - they keep updating it. They've just come out with Version 1.4 in the past week. Eventually they should be able to get it so it can play the music properly. I'll wait on it though. As I said earlier, I can't buy anything right now anyway. :/
Thanks to all who responded to my "question of the evening." I don't mind that people don't agree with me. It's more interesting when we don't all see things the same way.
Xena special effects - Sometimes I've thought about what her victims think when they see her spinning end over end through the air, coming straight at them like a big grotesquely-shaped cannonball. It must be absolutely shocking. No wonder that form of assault is so effective. :D
Gotta go! Bye everyone.
Jenniren
Thursday, August 5, 1999 11:38:43 AM
IP: user-2ivf7ev.dialup.mindspring.com
XENOGEARS-I am not obsessed with XENOGEARS. I know if someone else doesn't like it as much that its not a problem, but I won't let it, and any form of suffering, be criticized. I have a life, I do much more than play Role-Playing Game Video Games, but the whole point of 'Role-Playing' is to live the Characters. Oh, sure, they're not really real, but characters in stories are supposed to be real. XENOGEARS didn't fail.
Mandi-Traveler was making some stupid joke. There's no real parody as far as I know. Furthermore, about Bleem!, forget it. From what I've heard the Music is trash on that, and without the Music, XENOGEARS is not as incredible as it is with the Muisc, I can tell. I have the Music fine on my Game, but I can figure out what it'd be like. A lot of a scene's emotional impact is conveyed by the Music playing while the scene is going, and XENOGEARS has the best Music there is.
Scott Iskow and Aris Katarsis-Could someone please tell me what I'm missing here!?
Scott Iskow-You tell them! <----- Referring to the STAR WARS: EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE bashing going on. As for Angela, well, don't speak as if all the fans wanted her to end up with Brooklyn. I didn't care who she ended up with, if she ended up with any of them. Or with a 'boyfriend' or whatever the heck the gargoyles term for it would be, either.
The STAR WARS: EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE Bashing-All right, let's stop this, please. First of all, Anakin Skywalker wasn't a villian, he was a victim, and was most likely manipulated by Senator Palpatine. Secondly, Episode I is my favorite out of all of the Episodes because of the characterization there. My favorite out of the whole Series, save maybe Timothy Zahn's VISION OF THE FUTURE.
The story isn't on Anakin or Qui-Gon or anyone, its on all of those characters. Granted, Anakin's character was not something that can be portrayed on a movie, it required a book to deal with it, and believe me, the Novelization by Terry Brooks did it wonderfully.
Furthermore, Qui-Gon was a cool character, and a very interesting one. Just because he was slain doesn't mean he didn't have a life of his own. Books and Movies and plenty other Stories are created to show Characters, living Characters. Well, most, some kiddie' books... Regardless, stop criticizing them.
They're living beings.
I'm not sure if this was said but if someone did say no one wants to bother with a character who perishes at the end of the movie, wrong! Qui-Gon is a great character, I thought so, yeesh.
You want even more compliments on him, well, there's one person who really likes that guy, I'm sure I can get some commentary there if you people persist with this.
Jar Jar is okay, stop bashing him. Scott, you did not need to suggest he perish, remember, every life is precious. Jar Jar was a representative of this, too.
As for Darth Maul, he was just Darth Sidious' apprentice. His loss is the reason Anakin will be manipulated, Darth Sidious clearly needs a new apprentice, as shown. Darth Maul probably wasn't meant to be characterized too much, his character development had come in the past.
Speaking of Darth Maul, something I guess I will comment on. Scott, you mentioned 'big, bad Sith' in a Posting. Yeah, they can be taken out, may I point your attention to the STAR WARS: TALES OF THE JEDI Series.
The Sith are troublesome, but they can be handled.
Episode IV and Episode V were okay, Episode VI was cool, but there are better stories, but Episode I was awesome.
Why do you have to criticize people if they don't write what you want? What you expect? Why do you people have to do this? Its not your story, you're not the author, the author chooses what goes in. I recall a good deal of criticism on THE DARKEST HOUR and SEEDS OF CHANGE because it wasn't exactly what had been hoped for, in the former case, most likely, and in the latter, possibly, too. Plus criticism on Goliath and Elisa, which has been dealt with, it seems.
STAR WARS: EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE was an excellent story, and flawless. I don't care what other people say, the Movie's great, the Book's great!
As for George Lucas, let the guy write his stories, he knows how to tell a good story, stop bashing him for no reason.
"Have you learned nothing on this trip!?"-Drake Nielsen
"Yes, I have! I've learned that the Elders of Dologany *are cowards*!!"-Nina Winland
REBORN AGAIN
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 10:32:12 AM
IP: 151.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net
Interesting idea Daniel Hightower. I agree either idea would make a good story for TGS or a fanfiction but mostly TGS if you ask me.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, August 5, 1999 09:35:59 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
Pistoff>>Yes they really do teach Rodeo in schools, usually the more rural ones, its a "western thing", with contests, clubs AND Rodeo Queens!!! Some people actually make a living on the rodeo circuit. Since I'm a "transplanted Idahoan" it amazed me too.
"Happy b-day" to those who claim that honor--here's something for you---
(Clears her throat) Oh we love you, love you, love you, and we'll say it once again, Oh we love you, love you, love you, comes back the glad refrain, from the mountains to the prairies, to the Islands of the sea, you can hear the whole world singing our joyous melody. HAPPY B-DAY
Robby> Those centaurs are made by dubbing together shots of real horse and the actors in mocked up centaur costumes. I saw a show where they talked about it once. Wtch the scenes closely, If you see the feet, than that is probably a real horse shot or one imposed upon the actor. The "real horse feet" are delicate in nature, compare to the costume feet. Most close ups on the actor just cut the feet out so you can't tell.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Thursday, August 5, 1999 09:29:48 AM
IP: 207.14.195.125
Robby hasn't seemed to have made this announcment for a while now, so I'll do it:
VISIT STATION 8!
RISING STARS - Stracyznski's new project does have potential. I liked that all the issues that they have put out so far (Even though issue #1 came out last week, there have been an issue #0 that came with the Fathom Wizard Special and a special Black and White pencil art only Rising Stars Preview with a cover price of 5 dollars that came out a half a month after that. If you want more Rising Stars and can't wait for September (it's a bimonthly book) then look for those two books) but he has to tred carefully. The entire government trying to control those kids could possibly evolve into a Psi-Corp like thing. For now though, it's an interesting idea. 113 kids all from the same town are the only super-powered beings on the planet. All the heroes and villians know each other from birth and there can't really be any secret identities.
The one thing that I hated in the whole issue was the behavior of the government. It was realistic and well done, and I could feel the helplessness of the mother in the scene where she's basically being quietly threatened by the nurse, but it just really bothers me. Kind of like my feelings on THE NEW OLYMPIANS. A well done episode but the behavior of the characters bothers me very much.
SEVARIUS JR - You wrote: [you might not understand why SW fans are so die hard in their hatred of Jar Jar, their lamentations over the demise of Maul, or their disappointment in the movie.]
Is Jar Jar in every single scene that Vader shows up in? The whole story to my understanding is about young Vader and that's who people should be focusing on. Jar Jar is meaningless as long as Vader is developing as the movie goes along. (And I can understand disappointment around Darth Maul. I saw both of the Star Wars trailers and the small clip that they show of him fighting Obi Wan and Liam Neison are probably the best parts. Still the question is did Darth Maul's appearance help to develop Vader and advance the plot? If it did then he's served his purpose. If it didn't then he needed to have more screen time to achieve that purpose.)
As for the disappointment in the movie, I can understand it. A little bit has to be huge expectations. It has been 20 years since the original three movies came out and people are expecting something unbelievable. On top of that, this movie was hyped beyond imagination. Every movie that everyone eagerly wants to see always seems to lack something or have a flaw with it. No movie can really ever meet the expectation of a die hard fan. The end question is - Were the good points greater than the bad points and was the movie a source of enjoyment and thought or just a big waste of 2 hours of life?
We know how Gargoyles fans would react to the resurrection of the show under Greg Weisman's control, under his creative vision. But what about that Gargoyle movie that's being made? He's not writing it, and for all we know all the input he gives might be ignored. How would we react to that? It is after all what is developing now.
JENNIREN - Oberon's behavior in THE DARKEST HOUR didn't feel right. He and his brother had been fighting for thousands of years and in all previous appearances with them together didn't appear to have any brotherly feeling left for each other. They were enemies. Now it is possible that looking at his dead body, Oberon felt some sorrow but it's more likely that he felt like a burden had finally been lifted, that his enemy is gone and with him is one less thing to worry about. The only reason that he didn't grant any request to Goliath about healing Elisa is because then that would have closed the door off to Demona doing it which is what the writers really wanted to happen. This behavior "we can't do anything for her" makes even less sense when we consider that a few days later, Titania shows up, waves her hand and gives renewed real life to Coldstone and Coldfire. I understand that they Fey are fickle and act more by impulse than anything less but there is a subtle direction to everything they do and those two facts seem to fly in the face of that.
You wrote: [I'm actually kind of glad to hear Wolverine is getting his adamantium back. They were having him slash through steel doors and all sorts of other unlikely objects with BONE claws! It made no sense at all. I got disgusted and quit reading it.]
I'm not. Wolverine had adamantium he didn't want and then lost it. Now all of a sudden he wants it back. It flies in the face of all the previous Wolverine stories.
COYOTE - You wrote: [Good point about the comics industry, but there's also one thing you forgot to mention. Have you ever tried to get into a currently running comic lately? Completely lost, ain't you? Probably walking into the middle of some stupid 33-part "mega-whatsit-epic" or whatever the hell they call those bullcrap "event" stories now.]
That's not entirely true for all books. MC2 books for example (Spider-Girl, Fantastic Five, Wild Thing) are self contained one issue stories. You can pick up any issue at random and get a complete beginning to end story without having to pick up any previous issues.
And with some books, you have to start at the beginning of a storyline. It's a continuing story. If you pick up issue #20 of a book and they started a storyline in issue #18, your coming into the middle of a story. You have to go back and read the beginning.
I do agree though that some books are unbelievably difficult to get into. The X-Men books which have now been linked together are more difficult to jump onto than ever. On the other hand Generation X and X-Force have plenty of jump on issues and don't cross over. (Some cross over should be expected. It's a shared universe. If an Ice Age starts in Avengers then it should be snowing in Spider-Man and Cable.)
Avengers had a perfect jump on point just 2 issues ago. Generation X had a jump on point last issue. The Authority's most recent issue is a great jump on point. Whenever anyone starts a new book with completely unknown characters, there is always going to be a little trouble getting an understanding.
ROBBY - You wrote: [ Greg didn't do the Pack helicopter for merchandise reasons... It never got made into a toy...]
Your right. I should have said that it disappeared because the merchandising options weren't there. They decided not to make a toy and suddenly we never saw that helicoptor ever again.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, August 5, 1999 09:20:34 AM
IP: 17.new-york-75-80rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
ARIS - Yep, you're the first one to catch the fact that Death in my "4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse" creativity demon was partly modeled on the one of Pratchett's books (which I recently began reading), although not fully (as the chess bit indicates). I haven't gotten to "Maskerade" as yet, though; I'm currently reading them in order of publication.
Incidentally, as I mentioned before, Lord Vetinari, the Patrician of Ankh-Morpork, at least as portrayed in "Guards! Guards!" does remind me to a certain extent of Xanatos, in that same utterly calm and pragmatic attitude towards running things. (Even to the point where halfway through the book I began to imagine Jonathan Frakes delivering the Patrician's lines).
ANOTHER NIT ON MY OWN CREATIVITY DEMON - Actually, in the Gargoyles Universe, the Horsemen will have had four false alarms rather than two - not just the events in "Hunter's Moon" and "The Darkest Hour", but also Jackal-as-Anubis in "Grief" and the Matrix's attempt at global terraforming in "Walkabout".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 5, 1999 08:53:00 AM
IP: 205-242-191-104.dialup-stl.primary.net
Hi y'all yet again (sigh).
**JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Warpmind shakes with the two newcomers.
"Neat! Now we're up at... um... duo, trio, quartet, umm... uh, what's the term for groups larger than four?"
The others stare at him blankly.
"Aw, heck, no matter. Let's paint the town, eh? I've always wanted to visit Santa Cruz. Might as well start mixing the preparations for the trip..."
Wilek nods and starts fondling his pockets. "Yup, I think I have an icepick here somewhere."
Warpmind opens a small backpack and pulls out a small pestle and a bowl.
"Dum de dum, seven dried leaves of foxglove, a pinch of bat guano, tail of a rat, seven coffee beans, Nicaraguan by preference... drat. I'm out of dried cannabis. Anybody got a leaf?"
Xanathar scowls at Warpmind. "What kind of dope are you mixing now? Cannabis?"
Jack sends back a leaf, chuckling.
"Oh, yeah, kid, I've heard that recipe before."
The four others stare blankly at Warpmind and Jack as Warpmind crushes all the ingredients together.
"Oh, yes! The mixture is ready, just add water. When poured on fresh wounds, or injected directly into the bloodstream, the recipient's blood cells will triple their workload, so to speak. In effect, the one exposed to this stuff will be three times as awake. Better hold onto it for now, though, until whoever we go to harm start passing out."
Wilek and Pistoff high-five each other, and Xanathar grins toward Jack.
"You knew all along, didn't you, Jack?
"Ooo, yeah. Now the only remaining question is: Who first, and who's next?"
The Hearse speeds down along the highway, at speeds in the vicinity of twice the limit. Miriam takes a brief look backwards, and sees a police vehilce approaching.
"Uh-oh. Trouble, guys."
**TO BE CONTINUED**
Whew, that was a long one, and we haven't started the actual violence yet... *starts rubbing hands*
Avalon as a pocket dimension: Yup, that's probably it. Or maybe Avalon is a dimensional pocket? Aw, skip it. In any case, it's probably capable of having room for whatever us fanfic authors wanna squeeze in, provided it's smaller than an average modern city.
I'll be back.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 5, 1999 08:40:20 AM
IP: mp-217-226-210.daxnet.no
At this point, the topic is probably irrelevant, but I'm gonna post this anyway. It's a very recent interview with George Lucas, and the question pertains to how he made the material in the prequel appeal to a wider audience.
"Basicly I didn't. I kept it as it was originally intended. You can't play too much to the marketplace. It's the same thing with the fans. The fans' expectations had gotten way high and they wanted a film that was going to change their lives and be the Second Coming. You know, I can't do that, it's just a movie. And I can't say, now I gotta market it to a whole different audience. I tell the story."
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Thursday, August 5, 1999 08:35:38 AM
IP: 156.40.117.111
Todd's creativity demon> Actually it was a Terry Pratchett reference as can been seen by the capital letters used to represent Death's speech.
A great creativity demon btw. A small nitpick: In the Discworld books Death has been mentioned to dread being challenged to a game of chess, because he can never remember how the little horse-shaped pieces are supposed to move. :)
Nevertheless he always wins each game. His opponenents are frustrated, seeing him move pieces around almost randomly with no concept of long-term strategy and little knowledge of the actual rules, and yet at the end always seeing him somehow win...
Have you read 'Maskerade' btw, Todd? In that book there is a magnificent scene where Death is indeed challenged to a game by one of the protagonists... And it's one of the better Discworld stories one way or another.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 07:54:00 AM
IP: athe530-d097.otenet.gr
Hi all!!
**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Waits for Wilek and Miriam to find a spot in the hearse.
"It's decided the Backstreet Boys are goin down!"said Xanathar"only trouble is where to find them?"
"Not a problem" said Jack "listen to the radio"
Everybody listens to the radio and Xanathar begins to form a wicked grin on his face"Well,well,well" said Xanathar "The Backstreet Boys are performing a concert with Hansen in...Santa Cruz California"
"SWEEET"! Said everybody in unison.
"That's that place where they outlawed hate"said Pistoff "I've been meaning to go there"*Grins*
"Check your weapons and utensils guys this is gonna be fun!"
Jack puts his foot to the floor and the hearse takes off at breakneck speed,with the noise of the engine drowning out Xanathars maniacal laughter.
**To Be Continued**
Robby:Happy Birthday!(Xanathar starts grinning knowing his birthay is on Saturday)
Kaioto:Loved the quiting you're job idea:)
Fleur:check you're mail,I've left a couple of messages for you.
Green Baron:The People's Republic of Santa Cruz, California has now outlawed hate. I guess Pistoff and Xanthar better not pursue a celebrity through the happy faced police state of Santa Cruz :)>.See above joyride post for my feelings on this>:)
Steve Gooch re [EXPLETIVE DELETED]death:Gets down on knees and starts chanting "An Orgy of Violence,An Orgy of Violence,An Orgy of Violence" Seriously that was beutiful!>:)
Crystal:Welcome Back! and thanks for giving us some info on Deuce.
Todd:Loved the creativity demon,an old BBC show called The Young Ones did something similar with the four horsemen in an EP called "Interesting"
"Hey Death wanna play a game of Travel Scrabble":)
Coyote:You ever have one of those days when *everything* seemed to just make ya feel lonelier?>>More times than I'd like to talk about:(
Wilek:Heh heh heh...I've always that the best way to quit...well, they'd never find the boss's body. Well, most of it anyhow; his head will be found in the stockroom, in the center of a pentagram drawn in his own blood. >:)>>Hey thats one of my boss killing fantasies(Gargoyles collective unconcious strikes again)>:)
C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Thursday, August 5, 1999 07:37:53 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
hello!
about Freddy Kruegger> It's quite simple: he's a specter
if you read Wraith the Oblivion's sourcebooks, you'll find all the Arcanoi you need to simulated his powers.
Garg 2K's new eps progress> 'Injustice For All' is grewing, and reached the step of 60 pages. Be patient, guys! you won't be disappointed!
Demona May> heya, sis! didya got my email?
all for now!
Denis
Denis - [wyrmwolf@lft.be]
ICQ 20713180
Thursday, August 5, 1999 06:12:07 AM
IP: dialup237.brussels.skynet.be
I just saw Wes Craven's New Nightmare. Frightening little film, that. And hazardous to the mental health of those of us whose minds are constantly roaming around looking for stuff to put in their ficverses. I spent quite a while reading Werewolf: The Apocalypse a few hours before seeing this movie, and am now besieged by slightly less than six squillion creativity spawn: I'm convinced that Freddy is a Nexus Crawler or some other similar Umbral weirdness...
$Robby> <<Eithe rassume that Jim was headed for something spaceworthy and thats what was meant by heading to SJ's location. Or assume that Jim's friggin' rich he actually does have a helicopter that's spaceworthy. Or just figure its not that important to the plot since he's not going to get there.>> Interesting. :)$
Pistoff> <<'Cause, see, if your girlfriend is dead, it's not likely that she'll be having sex with you anytime soon.>> Tell that to the Giovanni. >;) (My brain is stuck in World Of Darkness and Nightmare On Elm Street mode! Help me! :P ) A...medium stuffed crust? You tell the customer you don't have one, and they keep asking for one? This is the kind of person who, in the new order, will be used as feeding stock for the Kindred. (There I go again! That movie warped my fragile little mind!) <<I'm always amazed at the things those people are able to put on cakes. Now, that's artwork.>> And the interesting thing is, it's so impermanent; after the meal, it's but a memory. Something like a sandcastle. A flower is most beautiful shortly before death. <blink> That sounded so weird. Kill me if I ever do that again. :P <<I've written a few letters to the editorial section of the local rag--uh, newspaper--that pissed off nearly everybody in town.>> Do you still have any of them? Because I bet they're masterworks...^_^
Delphi> You have idiotic customers too? How many stupid people are IN this world?! When did the stupidity saturation exceed the planetary average IQ?!!
Coyote> <<he's so angry he's asking for a refund on his life.>> Ah. How droll. :) <<"Next time on 'VS.' ... it's Gargoyles Fans vs. Disney executives, in the battle of devoted animation lovers and the *evil mouse empire!!*">> Heh heh heh...I can just see it: Disney Exec: "You'd better quit pestering us about this Gargoyles thing and quit harassing Lord Eisner or--" Gargs Fan: "You'll what? Sue us?" DE: "Quite possibly." GF: "Uh huh. Well, we have one thing you will never be able to even fathom, much less defeat." DE: "And what's that." GF: "Our collective imagination." At that point, the cast of Gargs and several billion fic characters slaughter the Disney execs. I'd pay to see that. >:)
Jenniren> <<Anyone in here ever try Bleem?>> I have it. What attracted me to it was the fact that it can use DexDrive saves, since I don't have a working DexDrive. But, for some reason, the graphics aren't quite on the level of a Playstation (in 2D, anyhow), and the sound goes out of synch sometimes, for no apparent reason. :/ <<Oberon is certainly not a 'nice' person, but is he really as big an @$$*&#! as TGS portrayed him at the end of "Darkest Hour"?>> In a word, yes. He's not *too* bad a ruler for the Fey, who tend overwhelmingly to be almost as bad as he is, but he just doesn't work well with mortals.
Kaioto> Heh heh heh...I've always that the best way to quit...well, they'd never find the boss's body. Well, most of it anyhow; his head will be found in the stockroom, in the center of a pentagram drawn in his own blood. >:)
Happy birthday to everyone here who has one! :D
Christine> <<a Silver Flame story that may once and for all dispel any notions about the purity of one of our own CR regulars>> <blink> <blink blink> TELL US!!!! TELL US WHO!!! PLEEEEZ!!!!! :) <<As soon as Wilek said unconsionably twisted and for the adult archive, I thought of you. ~Aaron>> Great having a reputation, no? ;)
Green Baron> <<The People's Republic of Santa Cruz, California has now outlawed hate.>> Um...what? Why don't we send a coven of Sith Jedi over there to shake things up? "You're under arr--<gasp choke thud>" >:) <<I guess Pistoff and Xanthar better not pursue a celebrity through the happy faced police state of Santa Cruz :)>> Or better yet, do so and somehow bring about the fall of the local government in the process. >8)
All newcomers> Welcome! Relinquish your sanity, and join the asylum of the inheritors of the planet! Muhahahaha!
Freya> <<Are the people that were responsible for Gargoyles the same people behind Star Trek?>> Err...no, the makers of Gargs just know talent when they see it. :)
Aaron> <<BTW, a friend of mine sent me a hilarious little piece called The Phantom Menace abridged.>> Ah, the thing at http://www.voicenet.com/~xavier/scripts/phantommenace.html? I saw that. Bizarre stuff.
Steve Gooch> Hacker death> O_o I am *most* impressed. A thing of beauty is a joy forever. :) <<The kid-hacker is forced to watch the complete collection of "Sonny and Cher" re-runs, followed by each and every Michael Bolton CD, and then selected tracks from "Faces of Death I-VI" and the classic Driver's Ed films "Red Asphalt" and "Blood on the Highway.">> And don't forget Barney's movie! :D <<Anybody that wants in, let me know.>> Oh, how I'd love to assist directly with this, but...well, there's security to consider. :} But, there's a nice little site called http://come.to/anarchy that contains a few texts on e-terror (among those detailing the RL variety) that may interest you. >:)
Ash> <<Now, I haven't seen TPM as I have said before, but this "Darth Maul" sounds suspiciously like Darth Vader with red skin and horns.>> Actually, they're quite different. Vader is sort of a dark knight, a regal and imposing enforcer of the Emperor. Maul, on the other hand, has a much different style; he's more of a ninja, an assassin, the kind of person you send to kill someone. Vader is a little like Madoc (stylistically, anyhow), Maul is more like any given member of the Pack (but much kewler). The only reason they both have Darth before their names is that it's the standard honorific for Dark Lords of the Sith.
Jar Jar> You know, I just had something of an epiphany, regarding what should have been done with him. Instead of being a comic character, he should have been a *tragic* one. He had the background for it--exiled from his home, lost in a strange place, caught up in an interplanetary conflict. If they had just had him act like a normal and intelligent person instead of constantly getting in trouble and messing up, and if they'd only lowered that voice an octave or so, he could have been interesting. I wouldn't have even minded the accent. <sigh> The saddest words of tongue or pen are these, 'it might have been'...
Todd> <<I sometimes wonder where I get these creativity demons from>> Hm...there are several possibilities. Second hand smoke? Inadvertant exposure to controlled substances? Head injury? A more subtle form of the chaotic madness that overtakes each and every CR dweller? An interesting case study...
Daniel Hightower> <<Does Thailog know of Brooklyn's time travels? Think about it. If Thailog knew and wanted information, Brooklyn's whole family is at risk. Or if the Illumaniti found out about Brooklyn's trips through time, they would want to interrogate him or his wife>> Hm...fascinating possibilities there...
Fire Storm> Welcome back!!! :D We were wondering where you'd gone. <<Writing 'In the ZONE!' (a half-dozen stories in the past 72 hours.)>> Woah...I wish my creativity divas kept that kind of schedule...I wouldn't care how tired or sleep-deprived I got; I could finish my entire ficverse in a matter of weeks instead of the, oh, THOUSAND YEARS it'll take at this rate!
Entity> <<On a side-note, if you want a picture of a writer who has an ideal relationship with his audience, you need only to take a look at J. Michael Straczinski. Or, of course, our own Greg Weisman. :)>> You know, come to think of it, they are disturbingly similar. And...well, Greg claims to know nothing about B5 (I and someone else had to explain the Vorlons to him), but...well, he spelled Kosh 'Tosh'. No one, not even the rankest of the rank newbies, is *that* dumb. That had to be a masterful, if overacted, bit of subterfuge. Hm...<G> <j/k about no one being that dumb>
Baby Fey> Welcome back! :D <<Is anyone else excited about the Yellow Submarine being re-released?>> Er...not exactly...
**THE JOYRIDE OF THE AVENGING LUNATICS**
[Pistoff, Xanthar, Jack, and Warpmind are tear-arsing down the road in Jack's hearse, discussing their next hit, when a black late-'90s Cadillac DeVille pulls up beside them and its driver motions for them to pull over, which they do. Strangely, its chrome trim is glowing an ultraviolet purple, and even more strangely, the car seems to be partially out of phase with normal matter, transparent and fluctuating. Suddenly, the trim stops glowing and the car seems to solidify. Wilek and Miriam get out the passenger and driver's seats, respectively. Wilek: "Hello. Would you all happen to have room for a tagalong?"]
**END**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, August 5, 1999 04:17:54 AM
IP: tnt-1-44-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
**THE JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
"Hansen, eh?" Pistoff thinks it over while Warpmind climbs in.
"Watch out for all the blood back there," Jack says as Warpmind finds a relatively clean spot and sits. Jack reaches over to Ricky's severed arm, snaps off the middle finger, and holds it out to Warpmind. "Want a souvenir?"
"Actually," Pistoff says, "I agree with Denis Leary about Hansen. Wait long enough, and they'll crash and burn. Severely. Especially the youngest one. He's gonna run amok. The cops will find him with a fifty-dollar hooker, a 40 and an 8-ball. It's gonna be great!"
"Well, any other ideas?"
"Today I heard the Backstreet Boys now have the number-one album in the country. They deserve to be punished!"
"I still wanna whack Hansen," Xanathar says.
"Shall we at least smack 'em around a little?" Jack grins. "Tell ya what--whichever ones we run into first gets a savage beating. How's that sound?"
"Works for me," everyone says in unison.
"Bitchin'!" Jack shifts up and tromps on the gas, and the hearse roars off into the distance....
**TO BE CONTINUED**
Paul: You need to relax. You're seriously obsessed with that game, and you're acting as if you believe the characters are real people. If somebody else doesn't take it as seriously, that's not gonna bring the entire world crashing down on you. If you think it will, however, then you've got some issues you need to work out. You're like that woman who wore a Star Trek costume to jury duty and talked in an interview as if Starfleet and all that stuff really exists. As William Shatner once said, "Get a life!" Truer words have rarely been spoken.
Mandolin: Actually, I don't know how they do it at other pizza places--after five years in this job, I'm sick of pizza--but where I work it's medium, large, and extra-large. I have no idea why we don't have a small. And the way that guy put the logo on that cake was sooo cool! I'm always amazed at the things those people are able to put on cakes. Now, that's artwork. :)
Delphi: Ack! I know calls like that one are sooo frustrating. It makes you want to really do a number on the guy. People are just stupid, I guess. :) BTW, I noticed you're in Twin Falls. I've got a sister and two nieces who live in Jerome. Sis and her hubby do magic shows and clown acts and stuff like that. One time she told me that the school in Jerome actually has a rodeo class! I've never been sure if that's true or if she was just pulling my chain.... O_o
Coyote: Thanks for emailing the info on that contest. :)
Kaioto: You scoop ice cream in the financial district?? Oh, you have my most sincere condolences. Those rich yuppie scumbag types are the worst. Most of the idiots I deliver to here in Coos Bay are inbred-Jed types (not a stereotype--these people must be seen to be believed), dope fiends, perverts, gangsta-wannabes, and people who only come out at night, when their powers are strongest. Most of the people I meet would give David Cronenberg nightmares for the rest of his life. But none of them are as evil as the smarmy rich people. Especially the ones who grin and say, "Hold on, I'll put your tip in the check." Then they write out the check, and I look at it...and the tip is ten cents. This has happened with alarming frequency--always when I deliver to rich neighborhoods who live way up on the hilltops where they won't have to look at icky poor people like me. I loved your little scenario, BTW. LMAO! My own scenario for my final day at work is less complicated: The first time a customer pisses me off, I whip out my cattle prod... :)
The only reason I haven't completely run amok at work is because I need the money, and nobody else in this godforsaken town will hire me. (I've written a few letters to the editorial section of the local rag--uh, newspaper--that pissed off nearly everybody in town. So whenever I fill out a job application, it probably gets thrown right into the trash can... ;) Oh, well, someday...someday I will have my revenge! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Green Baron: Happy Birthday! And...they outlawed hate?!?! If I ever pass through that area, I'm gonna rack up a lot of hefty fines. ;)
Aaron: Uggh! Sorry about that roadtrip, bud. Cool, I'll email the story to you after I finish this post. It still needs work (I should expand the fight scene at the end, and Oberon's dialogue needs a lot of work; I have trouble doing dialogue for a pompous character like him, without overdoing it. :) And I feel the same way about the Backstreet Boys. A possible solution was reached in the last RP...
Steve Gooch: My...god! That was absolutely beautiful! **sniff** Good luck tracking that son of a bitch down, I hope you give him the savage beating he deserves. I don't know much about computer stuff, my revenge expertise is in the field of physical stuff, property damage and so on, as well as psychological warfare which requires one to be physically near one's target. But if you need any suggestions, I'd be happy to pass them on to you. :)
SJ: Sandra Buttock! ROTFLMAO!! Ahem, hehe...They sell medium stuffed crusts in DC?? Wow. We don't sell 'em over here...but then, Coos Bay is just plain f**ked up, anyway... And I've been wondering where the small pizzas went, too... O_o
Robby: Happy birthday!
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 03:43:26 AM
IP: wire-8.koalas.com
Hello, guys, I'm alive and well, for the time being.
David G: No prob. For some reason, I wound up in some old, dusty library in Moscow. Which wouldn't be so bad if I knew the kyrillic letters. I was stuck there for hours, and I didn't understand the language (I think it may have been just after the revolution).
**POST-RICKY'S JOYRIDE**
Warpmind eases himself into the car. "Glad to join you, now the Terrorizing Trio has become a Questing Quartet, aye? So, who's next, I wanna try out some chemicals I mixed recently... some of them cause pain beyond human comprehension."
The Hearse roars down into the night, while Xanathar tries to make the others decide on the next target.
**WHO'S NEXT? TO BE CONTINUED**
Oh, and Christine? That picture from Masks, you better check out that link, 'cause it's incorrect (I found the pic, though). It leads to something on a local hard drive, not to a web adress. Just an observation.
Hey, David G: Try again in 2 hours?
Until later, mortals/immortals/etc.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 5, 1999 03:28:44 AM
IP: mp-217-220-44.daxnet.no
Coyote> Oh come down here to AZ! It's raining and it's the only time of year where it's not hot!!! Right now is the only time that cheesy car salesman can't say "in beeeeautiful Sierra Vista!" (oh don't ask me ask Ravyn, everybody knows that guy). Either way I'm out of this town in 17 days! And BTW, I haven't seen Ravyn's car yet. You think with the amount I drive I wouldn't miss a white convertible. :P Anyways, hi!
Is anyone else excited about the Yellow Submarine being re-released? I am! *does a blue meanie prance and disappears*
Baby Fey - [kriskev@theriver.com]
Sierra Vista, AZ
Thursday, August 5, 1999 03:11:33 AM
IP: 206-25-49-204.ip.theriver.com
Gawd, lotsa things to say...
ASH> A disturbingly interesting question -- have our expectations been risen to where a revival of Gargoyles would be met with criticism as the revival of Star Wars has met with criticism?
I don't think so.
Basically because we know Greg Weisman has a master plan for the series; we've been given teasers of what he had in store for the future of the series. Lucas, on the other hand, despite what he would have people believe, I don't think had anything beyond a three-line summary for each of his nine episodes.
Should a writer bend over backwards for their audience? If the story the writer is telling has any integrity, than that question should not even need to be posed. The fact that it has been for Lucas says that his story doesn't have integrity, therefore whether or not he should abide by the audience's demands is a moot point -- he is a failure.
I got the same impression from Lucas that Jinniren got from that 60 Minutes interview -- he has lost his touch. He has not written or directed in years, and he's gone through this major re-allocation of priorities. He said himself that his films aren't as important to him as they once were, that now his children are the most important -- and influential -- thing in his life. You can't blame a guy for starting a family, but in so doing his perspective on the Star Wars Universe has obviously been drastically skewed.
Lucas doesn't know what he's doing anymore. Maybe, he never did -- but in 1977 he didn't have CGI to play with, so was forced to rely on characterization and plotline instead. In any case, his primary intention in making Episode 1 was, by his own omission, to make it look pretty.
In response to those who say it was only the hardcore fans who were disappointed by Episode 1, I beg to differ. I recall being very surprised by the volume of SW fan purists who song Ep 1's praises.
DARTH MAUL> He, like Jar Jar, was thrown into the movie. There is a distinction between the two characters, in that I liked Maul but dislike Binks, but in both of their cases they had no role to play in the film. They were unnecessary, unintrical players. Maul only showed up for his lightsaber duel as if on cue, and Jar Jar was *literally* stumbled into.
As for the rest of the characters, I love Liam Neeson as an actor, but his character in this film was a total waste of time. Lucas could have developed Anakin or Obi Wan, but instead focused the movie on a character who winds up dying.
Okay, I'll stop myself now before this turns into a full-scale Ep 1 rant. I guess I wasn't so reserved about talking about it as I thought.
On a side-note, if you want a picture of a writer who has an ideal relationship with his audience, you need only to take a look at J. Michael Straczinski.
Or, of course, our own Greg Weisman. :)
STAR TREK & GARGOYLES> Does TNG's cast's participation in Gargs qualify as a record? Has nearly an entire cast of one series ever moved on to populate nearly the entire cast of another, unrelated one? It's gotta be a first.
AARON> Please send me that TPM "abridged version", I'd love to see it.
JINNIREN> Oberon's actions in "The Darkest Hour" were very in-character for him, IMHO. Ordinarily, in the benevolent, condescending demeanor he usually carries, he would have granted Goliath and company a favor for their trouble. But these were very unique circumstances. Oberon was NOT happy to see his brother laying dead at his feet. Oberon mourned for Madoc's passing. He wasn't about to reward Madoc's slayers. He realized the necessity, and so let them be, but in his mind that in itself was a favor. He has such an ego and a superiority complex that his feelings are the only things that mattered to him.
BLAIR WITCH PROJECT> Well, I went to see this today, and my friend and I got our tickets with no trouble at all. I guess the enforcement of the R-rating was focused on South Park, and has already blown over.
****SPOILERS FOR BLAIR WITCH PROJECT****
I thought the first 3/4 of the movie was great. I began to feel attached to the characters, the comedy was working, and the plotline was progressing smoothly. When the horror started, it had its correct effect on me. And all the while everything was staying very realistic. I particularly liked Heather's character and I thought her confidence finally shattering and her breaking down into tears was very powerful. As was the scene where Mike reveals what happened to the map. The character drama was really what made my gut wrench.
But, alas, the tent scene (if you're confused by which one I mean... maybe this will clarify: THE tent scene) was the scariest segment. Nothing afterwards matched it. And from the point where Josh disappears to the end of the movie, it all went downhill. It dragged on, with no more scary moments and too much of Heather sniveling. And the ultimate climax -- what a let down! Especially since I'd heard that the last ten minutes were the most frightening.
Overall I thought it was a very good film. But it could've so easily been better! The scariest elements were the strange noises in the dark. The movie should have climaxed with a segment like that. Being chased down through the pitch black night by an unseen entity, surrounded by spine-tingling noises. But alas...
****END SPOILERS FOR BLAIR WITCH PROJECT****
****BEGIN SPOILERS FOR THE RAGE: CARRIE 2***** ;)
I watched this last night, and thought it was pretty good, even though the supernatural plotline was almost identical to that of the original. Parallelism is good, but...
The film could've stood on its own independent of the telekineses aspect. I thought the characters were all very believable RL people. Much better than films like "She's All That", the most popular of the recent dork-and-jock movies but the least impressive, IMO.
The final scene, unlike most horor flicks that try to get a cheap jolt out of you and fail miserably with you rolling your eyes, this one made me jump...
*****END SPOILERS FOR GOOD THIS TIME**** :)
Entity
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:56:40 AM
IP: ely-oh5-11.ix.netcom.com
The Matrix: LOVED that movie. Due to the hype of Star Wars, guess what movie I was May 19. The Matrix. DEFINATELY one of my ALL TIME favorite science fiction films. If you look a little under the surface, it has a TERIFFIC plot.
A BAN on the Matrix? Hmm... No sir, I don't like it.
Only on DVD? While I think that's a mistake, I wouldn't buy that one on anything LESS than Widescreen DVD anyway. Now, all I have to do is buy myself a copy of The Devil's Advocate...
(Sorry for the 3x post.)
Fire Storm
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:48:13 AM
IP: 216.90.45.173
EEK! NO idea why it did that!
Fire Storm
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:36:52 AM
IP: 216.90.45.173
<>A wormhole appears in the CR, and Fire Storm steps our from it. Soon after he walks through it, it closes behind him.<>
Sorry I have been gone for so long, but I have a good excuse! Let's see…
The Gathering…
The hotel getting my bill messed up at the Gathering…
As soon as I got back from the Gathering, I, along with everyone else in the house got sick…
I QUIT OFFICE DEPOT! (And I will probably NEVER shop there again!)
I tried to attend a local BBS gathering, but missed it…
…a few hours later, I was admitted to the Emergency Room for first and second-degree burns (make sure ALL the steam is gone before removing the lid to the pressure cooker)
My grandmother underwent knee surgery…
Lady Mystic went camping with her family…
…The next day, I drove a new water pump for her family's camper 80 miles to them, and spend the whole, 95-degree, high humidity day with them on the blacktop of a truck stop.
My sister's graduation party…
Went back up to join Lady Mystic and her family…
Side networking job's galore…
Starseige 2…
TGS…
Christine's Stories…
Family found out that I wasn't working (Errands)…
Computer problems…
Netscape problems…
Preparing for tests (A+, MSCE (NT), Win-95)…
MAJOR storm (No power)…
Carpet Cleaning…
Fun with servos…
Writing 'In the ZONE!' (a half-dozen stories in the past 72 hours.)…
Other RL stuff.
Soon, I will publish a few stories, and TRY to catch up in the CR.
<>Fire Storm points his right hand's palm behind him, opening a wormhole. Fire Storm steps through the wormhole out of the CR.<>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:35:55 AM
IP: 216.90.45.173
<>A wormhole appears in the CR, and Fire Storm steps our from it. Soon after he walks through it, it closes behind him.<>
Sorry I have been gone for so long, but I have a good excuse! Let's see…
The Gathering…
The hotel getting my bill messed up at the Gathering…
As soon as I got back from the Gathering, I, along with everyone else in the house got sick…
I QUIT OFFICE DEPOT! (And I will probably NEVER shop there again!)
I tried to attend a local BBS gathering, but missed it…
…a few hours later, I was admitted to the Emergency Room for first and second-degree burns (make sure ALL the steam is gone before removing the lid to the pressure cooker)
My grandmother underwent knee surgery…
Lady Mystic went camping with her family…
…The next day, I drove a new water pump for her family's camper 80 miles to them, and spend the whole, 95-degree, high humidity day with them on the blacktop of a truck stop.
My sister's graduation party…
Went back up to join Lady Mystic and her family…
Side networking job's galore…
Starseige 2…
TGS…
Christine's Stories…
Family found out that I wasn't working (Errands)…
Computer problems…
Netscape problems…
Preparing for tests (A+, MSCE (NT), Win-95)…
MAJOR storm (No power)…
Carpet Cleaning…
Fun with servos…
Writing 'In the ZONE!' (a half-dozen stories in the past 72 hours.)…
Other RL stuff.
Soon, I will publish a few stories, and TRY to catch up in the CR.
<>Fire Storm points his right hand's palm behind him, opening a wormhole. Fire Storm steps through the wormhole out of the CR.<>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:35:53 AM
IP: 216.90.45.173
****NO RP TONIGHT!!!****
JackaL- I know your tired of hearing stuff like this, but if you felt that your life means so little that you are having trouble deciding whether you want to live or die then I think just one more won't hurt. Everyone is going to die, it's just a matter of how and when, but choosing to take your own life isn't the way to do it. Finding a reason to live is never as easy as it might seem, every struggle and bad day is just a lesson and a way of reminding you that you are alive. Think of all the people you'd leave behind family and friends (us included I hope), I know that we'd feel terrible if somehow we found out that you'd taken your life without at least coming to some of us for help. We would really miss you so please don't try that again.
IQ Test- I think I already took that test so taking again is sort of cheating.
Kitainia-A raise? You lucky, lucky person you.
Gyre-Confed fleet Vs Oberon- SEND IN THE MIDWAY!!!
Coyote- I'm going thru a period of loneliness too. Feels like everyone around me doesn't understand me or even realize that I'm alive. <What Dreams May Come> That was a really good movie, the part with the tree in the painting...that was sad.
Robby-Happy B-day. Just think one more year and you'll be able to go to jail. Sorry, I had to say that. Have a fun party!
Night everyone, and if you have had a bad day remember this:
Tomorrow may be better, it may be worse but won't it be interesting to find out?
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:26:22 AM
IP: pm0-8.vpop1.avtel.net
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nudnik
Thursday, August 5, 1999 01:10:18 AM
IP: pdx-0176.dip.internetcds.com
Hmm, its after midnight... Which means its August... Happy Birthday to me! Gee 17. I can get into R rated movies on my own now, but I have no way of proving how old I am! Arrg!
Before I go into this post, I just wanna ask, does anyone know how they do the special effect on Hercules and Xena with the Centaurs and Hinds? Cause its a really good effect...
Mxyzsptlk- Its easy to spell if you remember how its pronounced. Mix-ill-spit-lick, without the vowels more or less.
Todd- I don't recall the episode with Mxyzsptlk and Bizarro... Musta missed that one.
Kaioto and Lexy- Ya'll have fun now, ya hear?
Lucas- I give him credit for staying true to his artistic vision, but I take away that credit and then some for him not realizing his artistic vision ain't as good as it used to be. Also, while Jar Jar had one slightly redeeming moment when he was asleep in his chair and that looked kind of cool, Jar Jar has another thing against himself in my mind. Despite what Lucas or anyone else thinks, Jar Jar's CGI wasn't as realistic as it could be. Yes, Lucas had all the backgrounds and all the characters and vehicles and such computer rendered, but you can't brag about how Jar Jar looks lifelike when he doesn't even come close to as good as Draco the Dragon looks... And Draco was done three years ago and still looks real!
Anything else I have to say on the subject SJ already did pretty well.
Marvel- Actually, they don't actually do what the fans want. What happens is, they get a new writer on the book, (And that happens every 6 months or so now) who has new ideas and wants to do old stuff. So they pick and choose certain letters clamoring for something to make it look like thats what fans wanted. When Gambit left, 3 out of 4 letters said they wanted him gone, and when he came back, 3 out of 4 letters wanted him back. Its selective letter choosing for marketing purposes. The fact is, not as many people want Wolverine to have Adamantium back as they claim, (He's more interesting without it, and its even more fun when Sabertooth has Adamantium and he doesn't! Slashing through metal walls and such is due only to lousy writers...) otherwise, they would have already given it back by now. And Gambit, I know sure as heck *I* didn't want him back... Then there's also the fact they *DO* try to work towards what sells and keep reverting to the old formula... (The biggest problem I have with the X-Men is whenever one of their member joins the Avengers or something, it doesn't matter they're a mutant. Only in the X-titles does having special abilities lead to bigotry... The Fantastic Four never get that kind of disrespect...)
Also, lets forget the one, most important thing... Chris Claremount no longer writes the title. When he did it for 17 years, there was continuity and progress and fan demand wasn't a supposed factor. Its every time a new writer comes in, (fairly often) that things get screwed up. Claremount would have left Jean Grey dead, he would have wrapped up the X-Traitor plotline in a matter of months instead of 14 friggin' years, and more. But after he left the writers tried so hard to pretend they didn't need him, they backed off from everything Claremount had done, and the books have been downhill since. (Book at the time...)
As far as Marvel's bankruptcy goes, there's several reasons for that. One is their selective fan response writing mentioned above, and another is... they kinda expanded waaay too quicklu. Some mook in the head departments spent like a billion bucks buying a new building and facilities...
Freya- Um, Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis being hired for the roles of Xanatos and Demona was coincidence and happened because they were perfect for the parts. After that, all the Trek actors got in because they came to mind when looking at Frakes and Sirtis.
Todd- I like that 4 horsemen creativity demon. May be because those guys were particularly nasty villains in TMNT...
Airwalker- Greg didn't do the Pack helicopter for merchandise reasons... It never got made into a toy...
The lesson of the day between comparing Lucas' writing with X-Men's and Greg Weisman's? An artist should stick to their vision, but not if they're putting out garbage. If they can't tell they're putting out garbage because they're too biased, you LISTEN to the fans, but don't bow down to them in every regard.
Now, I think I'll have some chocolate chip cookie cake... Yum...
**RP HERE**
Jim looks confused at the voice in the helicopter.
"Death Star Two? That was blown up a long long time ago in a galaxy far away. DOn't you mean Dark Star Two?"
"Isn't that what I said?"
"No, you said Death Star... You have evil villain envy don't you Connection Denied! You're just a lousy evil twin ripped off an existing villain in the CR to explain why he changed so drasticallty! So you're trying to make up for it by ripping off other, better villains!"
"No, thats not it at all. It was a slip of the tounge."
And with that, Jim's helicopter explodes.
Robby
Thursday, August 5, 1999 12:40:40 AM
IP: spider-tn074.proxy.aol.com
Does Thailog know of Brooklyn's time travels? Think about it. If Thailog knew and wanted information, Brooklyn's whole family is at risk. Or if the Illumaniti found out about Brooklyn's trips through time, they would want to interrogate him or his wife. I think one of these two possibles would make a great episode because of the consequences.
Daniel Hightower - [dph_of_rules@<no spam>yahoo.com]
Conway, AR, usa
Thursday, August 5, 1999 12:38:09 AM
IP: max1-79.cwy.cei.net
*enters*
Good evening all! I have just finished a small teaser for my Gargs Universe, only it's not the sequel to 'New Blood'. It's a short little talk by Joan Wyvern, my character's twin sister. The difference I made in this as compared to my first fic is that it's written in the first person, something I think I did very well at. You might notice that Joan as dreams about her family that don't match up with what we already know about the Manhattan Clan. The truth is, she was only told a few things from her mother's point of view and that she hasn't been to Scotland since 1986. I'm not planning on putting it on the Net yet until I've written my sequel, but I would like to share it with some of you if you want a good reason to keep reading my stories (considering it's been a YEAR since I posted my last fanfic). Tell me if you want to read it and tell me your EM Addy and I'll send it to you. :)
*walks out*
Mary
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:54:36 PM
IP: ramp-1-7.ucdavis.edu
**enters the room, switching out the candles. Briefly sighs, then sits down in the big chair.**
You ever have one of those days when *everything* seemed to just make ya feel lonelier? I'll explain after I post ...
First off: Happy B-Day to GB! **tosses the Baron a remote, as a semi backs in with the largest Execution cake to date.** Take a corner and pick yer flavor. **sets down the bag with the remotes** When your birthday hits, grab a remote. **pre-emptively hands one to Robby**
Thanks to everyone who's given their support to my grandmother. :)
Kaioto: By the time this hits the CR, you'll be with your beloved. Believe me, if I were getting on a plane to Arizona, I'd have to be tied up (I'd be vibrating *that* much). ;)
**sighs shakily, then continues**
Aaron: There's a shirt that I saw a photo of Weird Al wearing that I want: "I don't suffer from insanity ... I enjoy every minute of it." ;)
As for your horrific trip with your boss ... you could've taken the trip in my Caddy, y'know (not only does the AC not work but the heat stays on and constantly blows on my legs. ;)
Scott Iskow: But there's also a *very* big reason why Angela's choice was so much of a surprise, and that being that rather than choosing the attractive, adventurous rebel, she chose the nice guy. I definitely relate to Broadway, being similar in disposition and somatotype (body size for the uninitiated) ... you should see me every time I see the kiss in "The Journey," I always leap to my feet and go "YES! SCORE ONE FOR THE NICE, FAT GUYS!!"
*sighs again briefly, then continues**
Lucas/Marvel philosophies: So basically, Ash, what you're trying to say is "damned if you do, damned if you don't." Lucas holds to his original plan, despite the fans' objections, and he's vilified. Marvel changes positions faster than a $300 hooker and is still losing money. What's the lesson here, folks?
Don't build a fanbase, you're screwed either way. :)
Airwalker: Good point about the comics industry, but there's also one thing you forgot to mention. Have you ever tried to get into a currently running comic lately? Completely lost, ain't you? Probably walking into the middle of some stupid 33-part "mega-whatsit-epic" or whatever the hell they call those bullcrap "event" stories now.
You're very lucky if you're able to pick up a #1 nowadays, because usually that's the only way you can even know what's happening in a story ... they turn into big long, convoluted things that you have no idea what's going on unless you read the 30 issues prior. The absolute *worst* offenders in this respect are DC's Legion books ("Legion of Super Heroes" and "Legionnaires"), mainly because they've got such established continuity (30 years and back) and devoted fans that don't have the patience for a summary to new readers.
Half of the time, the good stories wind up getting lost because you can't get a decent foothold into a book. The most recent (as far as I can recall) ongoing comic that had a decent jumping-on point is "Robin" ... *if* you timed it right and came in ... uhmm, around January, I think. Robby, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's around the issue with Tim Drake's breakup with Arianna and Robin and Spoiler becoming an item, isn't it?
**sighs, glances at the tallest candle again, then continues**
Oddball creativity demon: Anyone ever watch the game show "VS." on Comedy Central? For some reason while watching this afternoon's episode, this CD hit me ... imagine if you will the normal promos for "VS.":
"Next time on 'VS.' ... it's Gargoyles Fans vs. Disney executives, in the battle of devoted animation lovers and the *evil mouse empire!!*"
**sighs again**
Y'know, everything's been making me feel lonelier today ... for some bizarre reason I decided to play the soundtrack to "Phantom of the Opera" in my car for my commute ... God, I identify with that poor phantom, never being able to be with the one ye love ...
Then this evening I get home and my mother's watching her new copy of one of the saddest love stories ever, "What Dreams May Come." That bit about soul mates gets me every time ...
**sits back in the big chair, whimpering and fixating once more**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:28:20 PM
IP: modem86.i-is.com
Crystal> Thanks for the update. I don't remember what color you used last time, either. Say 'Hi' for me.
Jenniren> Question of the evening - Hmm. I thought his treatment in Darkest Hour was in character, but then Oberon is one of the characters I love to hate. There are several factors to consider in his decision not to help Elisa: She was the one who came up with the Bell idea in "ill met by moonlight" so there might have been some hard feelings. He had just lost his brother, proving that he, himself was mortal. Titania might have told him what was happening beforehand, too.
I'm not sure, now that I think about it, that the TGS depiction was the perfect one. Oberon is usually a Smite/Reward kind of ruler. He pays his debts as he sees them. With that reasoning, he might have done Something to help Elisa.
Most of Oberon's decisions have the subtlty of a sledgehammer on fine china, so it would have been something interesting. It might have been interesting to see Oberon transform Elisa into a Fey temporaraly. She probably wouldn't like it, what with not being able to handle her gun, or touch her car, and all.
I'm looking forward to seeing other people's thoughts on this subject.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:28:01 PM
IP: pppa37-fortworth18-4r521.saturn.bbn.com
Man that picture is humongous! I was expecting the one from the other room.
Todd your creativity demon reminds me of some of the banter that goes on in Disney's Hercules. :)
Jenniren again
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:07:49 PM
IP: user-2ivf0k4.dialup.mindspring.com
Happy Birthday Green Baron!
On to a "question of the evening" which may or may not generate any interest:
Was the TGS depiction of Oberon a fair one? I started thinking about this today and wondered what other people in here thought.
In the Gargoyles TV series, Oberon rewarded Katharine and the Avalon clan for sparing his life by giving them what they wanted. They were allowed to stay on Avalon and he even made them his "honor guard" (which may have meant something to them, I don't know). Oberon's attempt to kidnap Alex was largely the result of Titania's instigation. He took away Puck's powers (except when used for Alex's benefit), but I can see that as a parting shot at Puck, who'd knocked him around earlier and no doubt wounded his "dignity." (I won't attempt to excuse his casual disregard of the New Yorkers who he put to sleep, but I'm considering that a separate issue.) But in the end he did as Titania wished and Xanatos and Fox were able to keep Alex with Owen continuing to serve them... pretty much what they wanted.
My point is that in TGS, after Madoc was defeated, wouldn't it have been more in character for Oberon to grant the Gargoyles a wish - or at least give them something beyond just his gratitude? I can see why he might have wanted the Seelie to stay out of the war, assuming he knew of the Sisters' prediction that it would be a union of human and gargoyle that defeated Madoc and that therefore any fey he sent against Madoc would be doomed to failure. But after Madoc's defeat, surely he would have done something to reward the gargoyles and their human friends for their efforts, just as he rewarded the Avalon clan for sparing his life. At least that's the way I see it. Even though he was inconsiderate and stuck on himself in the TV series, he didn't come across quite so bad as in TGS.
So what do you guys think? Oberon is certainly not a 'nice' person, but is he really as big an @$$*&#! as TGS portrayed him at the end of "Darkest Hour"?
*****
My take on Lucas: I think he wrote Phantom Menace for his kids. I keep remembering this "60 Minutes" special that showed him with his kids and explained how he was raising them as a single parent. I'm afraid his perception has been warped by the experience. There were so many things in the movie that were obviously geared toward little kids. It detracted from any plot it had. You really have to see the movie to know what I'm talking about and gauge the full effect. I went to see TPM 3 weeks after it came out and there were plenty of empty seats. It's not a movie I'd go see twice. I saw "Star Wars" and "Empire" multiple times. (I only saw "Jedi" twice because the Ewoks were so corny.) I wonder if Lucas isn't making more off merchandising than off of ticket sales. Maybe he planned it that way.
*****
I'm actually kind of glad to hear Wolverine is getting his adamantium back. They were having him slash through steel doors and all sorts of other unlikely objects with BONE claws! It made no sense at all. I got disgusted and quit reading it.
I wish JackaL would write in so we'd know he's still around.
Jenniren
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:47:02 PM
IP: user-2ivf0k4.dialup.mindspring.com
AARON - You wrote: [That Wolvie/Elektra offspring wouldn't be any relation to the old Marvel UK comic Nikki Doyle, Wild Thing, would it?]
No relation. The daughter of Wolverine, Rina Logan, that stars in the new solo title WILD THING is a new character who first showed up in comics in J2 #5 just a few month's ago.
You wrote: [Personally I left Marvel not because nothing ever changed, but because they could never leave well enough alone. So many things changed so often no one could keep track of it, and the continuity was shot all to Hell.]
I still read quite a few Marvel books. I agree in some cases they should have just left well enough alone. Like when they brought back Jean Grey and retconned the whole ending to the Dark Phoenix Saga which led to the whole Phoenix continuity mess that exists today. But usually change is a good thing, as long as it is part of logical growth and isn't done just for change sake. If everything stays static then after a while what is the point to read?
That's how it's become on the main X-Men books. They fight for a better world but don't actually accomplish anything. They fight, win, don't get credit, the situation gets worse, and then they go home to angst. Over and over again and it gets on the nerves. I've long reached the point that I can't stand Xavier. His dream is great but his methods suck beyond imagination. In an effort to keep people from completely trying to sympathize with Magneto, who's position of "let's do something" seems much better compared with Xavier's "let's sit at home and complain", they've turned him into a raving lunatic. And the tragedy is that I still rather root for Magneto over Xavier.
(And continuity isn't that bad if you avoid talking about the Summers family. If you don't mention Cable, then the continuity isn't so bad and out of control.)
DOUG - You wrote: [But he should not bend to the will of the marketing and merchandising people either. And I think I could state that Lucas did that with EP 1 and be able to really back up the claim.]
Let's be realistic. The only reason that Lucus, Disney, etc do anything is to make as much money as possible. Expressing a vision is a part of it but if there wasn't going to be that much money in it, it probably wouldn't get done. So a little compromise has to be made with marketing and merchandising. Gargoyles had Brooklyn's motorcycle in TEMPTATIONS and Lexington's helicoptor in HER BROTHERS KEEPER. The thing is too not lose sight of the greater vision and to be honest with yourself.
Lucus put Jar Jar in to attract a younger audience. As long as it doesn't detract from the overall story and from the overall vision then it's not such a bad compromise. This isn't being made for the fans. It's being made for the money. Lucus' problem is that he's just not being honest about it. He should shout from the highest mountains "Jar Jar is there for the kids. He's a little annoying but the longtime fans should be paying more attention to little Darth Vader over his sidekick."
ASH - You wrote: [The Core audience of comic books is never the subscribers, or the people that write in. They are the people that flip through the pages at a comic book store and pick and choose among various books.]
That's why comics are slowly dying. The industry lost sight of it's audience. We don't want a hundred variant covers that glow in the dark and cost 5 dollars an issue. We want interesting stories and good art.
It used to be that you would see a comic as you buy gum or candy or a newspaper and since it was 50 cents or so, you picked it up as a spur of the moment thing. Now you have to fish out 2 dollars for an issue (What's worse is that it's getting more and more expensive. I remember complaining when comics went up from 1 dollar to 1.25. Now it's 2 dollars and rising!) and that's if you can find the comic at the newstand. It was more or less abandoned in favor of comic shops that nobody but existing fans go into.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:42:15 PM
IP: 161.new-york-31-32rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Thank you Tim P, David G. and everyone else who posted to me with encourageing words or wisedom or whathaveyou.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:36:36 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com
This is a sort of creativity demon that I just had concerning a possible "off-stage" business for "The Darkest Hour".
As Madoc's forces gather around the Eyrie Building, four mysterious horsemen appear atop one of the skyscrapers from a distance, watching. One rides a white horse and carries a bow, one rides a red horse and carries a sword, one rides a black horse and carries a pair of balances, and one rides a pale horse, is clothed in a voluminous hooded robe, and carries a scythe. All four watch with anticipation.
Then, after Madoc's death, the four horsemen, watching the scene and the subsequent defeat of the Unseelie Court, turn to each other, and sigh. "Rats," says the one with the sword. "I was really hoping that this would be it this time." "Yes," agrees the one with the bow. "This is the second false alarm that we've had this decade. Just three years ago, in this very city, I thought that it was finally going to happen - and going to happen my way, too." "Well, there's always next time," says the one with the balances. "I AGREE," says the one with the scythe. "WELL, WE MIGHT AS WELL GO BACK HOME." "Yeah, and pick up something to eat along the way," says the one with the balances. "I'm starving." "You're always starving," says the one with the sword. "Hey, it goes with the job description!" the one with the balances replies. "We can always play a game of cards tonight, to make up for the disappointment," says the one with the bow. "So what'll it be, fellas? Bridge? Poker? Old Maid?" "I PREFER CHESS," says the one on the pale horse. "But that's no fair," protests the one with the sword. "That's a two player game, and there are four of us! What will the other two do?" And thus arguing, the four horsemen ride off, hoping that next time something like this happens, it really is the Apocalypse.
(I sometimes wonder where I get these creativity demons from).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:32:38 PM
IP: 205-242-191-187.dialup-stl.primary.net
No RP tonight....probably tomorrow.
The Lucas Debate: Whew, on with the rant.
Ash and Airwalker: To begin with, while I value your opinions, at least one of you isn't a Star Wars fan (it makes a difference, cause SW fans are passionate about their genre), and *neither* of you have seen the new movie. For that reason, you might not understand why SW fans are so die hard in their hatred of Jar Jar, their lamentations over the demise of Maul, or their disappointment in the movie.
Ash--Well, perhaps people were looking for another Vader in Maul--after all, they share a common name, they dressed alike, they were on the same side. However, probably the biggest complaint SW fans have, is that Maul was never given a chance to ascend to that level. To be perfectly honest, due to the FAILURE of George Lucas, he was barely even able to ascend to the rank of generic villain (and, in fact, the only reason he made it to that status was by default--he fought the good guys). Lucas so poorly underwrote the character, spent so little time developing him into anything other than the guy who, in the last 15 minutes of the film, fights the heroes. That is the ONLY role he's delegated. No development like Vader, he's just their to look evil and fight. In other words, he was a character that had potential, but was essentially WASTED. To be truthful, Lucas had absolutely NO strong villains in this film--it would have been to the film's benefit if he had spent some time working on them, and less time with that goddamn reptile. Speaking of....
I don't think Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar because he "doesn't fit their description of what a Star Wars movie should be", but rather because he's sooooooo goddamned annoying. He's in a *lot* of the movie, and yes, he does provide the comic relief.....and, also, he barely, barely, *barely* helps along the plot. He's in more of the movie than he should be....the time spent showing him stumbling over crap, or stepping in sh!t, or getting farted on by alien animals could have been better spent on building up the aforementioned Maul or other villains. Yes, Jar Jar was meant for children. But can't children enjoy a movie without having a moronic sidekick in every scene? (IMO, Disney falls into this pit far too often). I'm sure that some of the resentment over Jar Jar stems from the fact that most of the fans are adults now, and don't want to spend their money to see a cartoon creature aimed at the youngsters. However, Lucas could have spent a little less time with Jar Jar, and I think the kids wouldn't have minded.
Airwalker--I don't think Vinnie could ever really be compared to Jar Jar. Greg showed his wisdom and good judgement by using Vinnie sparingly. Now imagine that Vinnie was in every episode for a minimum of 10 minutes. Let's also say that that time was not spent doing anything really constructive, but rather just falling over his own feet and spouting off nonsense in a incomprehensible language, providing the series with "much needed comic relief". At some point, even the most hardcore Gargoyle fan would most likely get pissed. THIS is the nature of Jar Jar.
As for how we fans would react to the resurrection of Gargoyles.....of course, there would be the initial euphoria. The question has been asked as to what we think a new Gargoyle should be. Are you serious? I think the answer most people would give is that we already know what the show should be--it should be of the same quality of excellence that the original series was. If Greg is attached, and given sufficient freedom to follow his vision, than we need not worry about that. I don't think that the concepts or direction Greg uses or goes in matters that much (unless, of course, as somebody mentioned earlier, he decides to just start killing off characters or something like that). We expect the same quality as the original series; in the eyes of many fans, and in the eyes of many non-fans, The Phantom Menace was *not* of the same quality as the original trilogy. Therein lies most of the disappointment.
To be perfectly offensive, I'm sick-to-goddamn-death of all this "artistic vision" bullsh!t. I've found that far too often that's simply an excuse for poor art. I mean, hell, I could write my own fanfic series, in which I kill off all the clan except Angela, have her become involved in an incestous lesbian relationship with Demona, and have them set out on a "world tour" of "sexual exploration", and claim the whole thing as my "artistic vision". Artistic vision doesn't mean good art. In my opinion, this is just a shield that Lucas is using to cover up the fact that he's produced a subpar product, something that is not on the level of the quality filmmaking that the original films were made, something that is essentially a two-hour long cartoon/toy commercial. Jar Jar is an annoying character that lends little to the plot, and Maul was an underused character that could have been more beneficial to the overall story if George had spent the time to make him an interesting villain instead of just hired muscle. But when you confront Lucas with these facts, he simplys spouts the same line of BS: "What? That's what you think? Well, you must not understand my artistic vision!" I'm all for a artist, or a writer, or a filmmaker, what have you, following the beat of his own drum, and none others (though I *do* think they should listen, to some extent at least, to their fans)--but I don't see this as "artistic vision", I see this as the failure of a once-good filmmaker who is now making excuses for his shameful work.
*sigh*The rant can end. You know what--I'm not even really a true hard core SW fan. However, I did enjoy the movies immensely, I do own some of the books, but that's all. Still, just as that much of a fan, I just feel that Lucas has screwed me--and every other fan, whether they'll admitt it or not--over. Royally. He's creating bad movies just to line his pockets.....and nothing pisses me off more than that. That's what every other dickhead executive in Hollywood is doing, and at one time I thought Lucas was above all that. I suppose I was wrong.
****ENTERTAINMENT NEWS*****
Spider-Man movie news: Well, the old rumor that Nicholas Brendan, our good buddy Xander from Buffy, is being considered for the role of Spidey has reared up again. Supposedly, Sony themselves are interested in them. Hmm....this could be cool, although I don't know really about Brendan's ability to pull of the role. It looks to me like he's just being cast cause of his Parkerish looks and smartass mouth. But who are we kidding--you know that Sony will relent and cast some prettyboy like Matt Damon or Ben Affleck as Spidey. Bah.
Wonder Woman movie news: Okay, this is weird.....they want to make a Wonder Woman movie starring.......drumroll........Sandra Buttock.....er, I mean Sandra Bullock. Jaysus, but that would be one strange movie. Sandy as an Amazon? Hmmm.....I want a guarantee that Keanu Reeves won't show up.
****END ENTERTAINMENT NEWS*****
Pistoff: I do believe that here, in D.C., they DO sell a medium stuffed crust pizza. What pisses me off is that they don't sell a small. What the hell happened to small? I don't want a damn personal pan pizza, I want a freakin' small! I can't eat a damn medium pizza by myself in one night! I remember they *used* to have a small at one time. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO ALL THE SMALL PIZZAS???
****REVIEW OF ISSUE ONE OF "RISING STARS"****
In case you folks didn't know, this is the next project of J.Michael Stracyznski--a comic book! Since the arseholes over at TNT canceled Crusade, Joe had to have something to fill the time with. So, he's developed a comic book, and cause he likes limits, it's only supposed to be a 24 issue story arc. Today, I finally found and bought the first issue, and I loved it!!!
To begin things, we have a nice little 2-page intro by Neil Gaiman, (one of my fave authors and Joe's good friend) always a nice sign. The premise is simple, yet very prophetic: a "flash", perhaps a comet, appears in the small town of Pederson. It affects 113 children in utero (giving them superhuman powers), but in a much grander scale, it affects all of mankind. This was a pretty cool issue, showing the origin of the kid's powers, and giving us some hint of the type of heroes--or villains--they'll turn into when they grow up. So far, Joe doesn't give us much--this issue's sort of a teaser in addition to the whole origin--but it's enough to wet my appetite at least. The only bad thing is that it's published by Image's Top Cow imprint....and Image is none too good at guaranteeing books on time. Let's home JMS keeps their noses to the grindstone. Still, the artwork is good, the storytelling is great, and it looks as if this series has the potential to become another of JMS's masterpieces! Thumbs up from me!!
****END RISING STARS REVIEW****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:32:03 PM
IP: 207-172-33-78.s78.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
This discussion stems from the rather odd idea that fans should have no input into how a show develops, and the the show's creator should go his own way, regardless. To a certain extent, this is true. Fans after all have no direct say on what the writter puts out. But if fans are ignored completely like some think they should be, the show will bomb. There has to be a line between the two extreames. You purest should lighten up.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 09:11:13 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp15.fltg.net
[Crystal fades in very slowly, dripping sweat.]
Hey, it's me again. I forget what colour I used last time. Now it's "Violet". If I can only remember that for next time.
Anyway, Deuce insists I keep you guys updated on what's going on with him. I personally think he's being a grade-A nimrod, but he has been feeling like crap lately, and I see why he doesn't want to bring his friends down. Me? I'm just so perpetually dark he doesn't affect me. That and I've known him his whole life, so his moods don't bug me.
Anyway, he did some poetry when we went to the lake, and he put it on his plain-Jane-vanilla-white website. Like I can complain, I've been sitting on mine for three years. He wants you to read it, because he craves input. Click on the url or go to surf.to/curtain to see it. It's pretty good, but I'm biased.
[Crystal slowly fades out, in the manner that she came in.]
Crystal - [schizocrystal@yahoo.com]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 07:46:49 PM
IP: pppa118.connect.ab.ca
Warpmind> Sorry I missed you at Alexandria. I got turned around and ended up in the reserve section of Muskatonic University. They have a great collection of old and distressed books.
Now, though, Ihave the strangest feeling that someone is following me...
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 07:40:59 PM
IP: pppa55-fortworth8-2r234.saturn.bbn.com
Airwalker> The fan demand for more Spider-Girl was an example of people pushing for change. There are fans saying "we wanna buy more comic books!", not telling them how the story should go. That is okay, and laudable.
Aaron> The Core audience of comic books is never the subscribers, or the people that write in. They are the people that flip through the pages at a comic book store and pick and choose among various books. When nothing ever changes, you have no reason to pick up the comic book, because you basically have the story already.
Now, I haven't seen TPM as I have said before, but this "Darth Maul" sounds suspiciously like Darth Vader with red skin and horns. Is the reason people are so upset that he was killed is because they really want Darth Vader? Is the real reason they hate Jar Jar because he doesn't fit the hard core fan's conception of how "a character should act in a star wars movie"? Maybe they never should have went to see the Phantom menace and instead just cut up their vhs copies of the last three movies and then after taping various snippets up in a random order, you could just watch that.
And of course Jar Jar was put in because children would like him and George Lucas could make more money. He is in the entertainment industry, and it is his job. He has to get new audiences, preferably those who would support the merchandising. There is no shame in that. Gargoyles itself had a motorcycle and a helicopter in it because they were made into toys. (Well, the helicopter wasn't which explains why we never saw it again).
Ash
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 06:37:51 PM
IP: yktnsk01d010201236.sk.sympatico.ca
Green Baron: $ As far as I know, Guod does not have a ressurection machine. Let's just say Atilla's gas knocked us all out instead of killed us and then Guod woke us with an alarm clock. That makes more sense. BTW, you forgot to deal with Kato. $
Lucas: I agree with Airwalker that a writer should not bend to the will of the fans too much. But he should not bend to the will of the marketing and merchandising people either. And I think I could state that Lucas did that with EP 1 and be able to really back up the claim.
More tomorrow, it's been a long tiring day.
Doug
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 06:28:33 PM
IP: pool-209-138-62-204.dlls.grid.net
Airwalker> That Wolvie/Elektra offspring wouldn't be any relation to the old Marvel UK comic Nikki Doyle, Wild Thing, would it?
Personally I left Marvel not because nothing ever changed, but because they could never leave well enough alone. So many things changed so often no one could keep track of it, and the continuity was shot all to Hell.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 06:05:54 PM
IP: ppp-60.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
I was never a Star Wars fan and I have yet to see Episode 1 so all I know of Jar Jar is from word of mouth and one or two scenes that have been shown on television. So I can't really judge if this character was as bad as has been said.
But in some ways I can somehow agree with Lucus' position. A writer has to write his or her story. If the fans like it then great. If they don't then they don't watch it. But the writer should stay true to their position and not bend to the will of the fans.
I agree with Ash's example of Marvel Comics. They occasionally have an innovation of some sort and then due to fan demand, they eventually go back on it. It's one thing if there is a story reason for it but Wolverine for example spent the entire 17 years he was in the X-Men comic complaining about his adamantium and how he never wanted it and how he would love to lose it in a second. Then he loses his adamantium in a not particularly good storyline that completely screwed around with Magneto and finds out he has bone claws. Now all of a sudden he wants his adamantium back. Why? Because the fans want him to have his metal back. But what about all the time the character spent saying he didn't want it? All that should suddenly be forgotten because the fans started complaining that he should have it back?
DC on the other hand turned Hal Jorden, the Silver Age Green Lantern, into a psycho villian, replaced him with a not very interesting character and then killed him off. The fans were in an uproar. It was to such an extent that many of the fans even placed a full page ad in Wizard magazine to demand the return of Hal Jordan. But DC stuck to it's guns and kept him dead. (Technically they are going to bring him back - but not as Green Lantern. This winters crossover has Hal Jordan return as the New Spectre. But that's development, not regression. If they brought him back as Green Lantern, that's bowing to pressure, but bringing him back as the Spectre, he's still dead, and that's something else entirely.)
On the other hand as a fan myself, I can understand that observations and critiques and opinions of the fans should be listioned to. They don't have to be followed but they shouldn't be ignored either. Fans sometimes catch things that a creator misses but listioning to fan observations and noticing that something should be amended is different from actively changing a vision to suit fan demands.
Marvel's "Because you demanded it" isn't always a bad thing. For example, Marvel did a What If issue that featured a possible future where Peter Parker's daughter took up the mantle of the Spider. It was so popular that Marvel got a huge demand for more Spider-Girl stories and because of that there is now not only a Spider-Girl book but an entire line of books set in that universe. (The other two books are Wild Thing (The daughter of Wolverine and Elecktra) and Fantastic Five (a future version of the Fantastic Four.))
Applying this to Gargoyles, I expect Greg Weisman to follow the path that he has in mind. He should follow his creative vision. Vinnie could be considered by some to be an annoying character. Not on the level of Jar Jar who I take must be a really really terrible character but I could see a parallel drawn. However if Greg wanted to have Vinnie continue to show up somewhere down the line as part of his vision of things and fan response is extremely against it, he should continue on with it and do what his vision demands.
ASH - You wrote: [Spider-man as another example kills off Ben Reilly, ressurects all the characters they have killed, (except Uncle Ben).]
In Marvel's defense the clone saga had been messed up to such an extent that the only way to salvage everything was to make a completely clean break and get rid of any visible evidence of that storyline. Ben Reilly was the most visible sign of that saga and his death was a visible sign that the clone saga was over, that Peter was the real Spider-Man and Ben was the clone, and that they were moving on.
Bringing Aunt May back from the dead though, that was an act of sheer stupidity. Her appearances in the main Spider-titles today completely kills the books for me. I can't even stand to flip through them in the store. The only Spider-book I still pick up is Spider-Girl.
(If you are interested in continuing to see Ben Reilly, there have been some hints in that title that he is the character known as Darkdevil although at this point that's just speculation.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 05:48:30 PM
IP: 24.new-york-28-29rs.ny.dial-access.att.net
Hey all, I'm back at last.
Vacation was pretty good, got some time to spend with the family and five beautiful days in the Poconos. We stayed at a lakeside cottage that we used to spend time at every summer, but haven't been there for six years. The weather was spectacular, the fishing was excellent, and it was surprisingly affordable. It felt really good to get away from civilization and not have to worry about getting up for work in the morning, though I *did* have to worry about getting up even *earlier* every morning to go fishing with the 'ol man. Funny how that works. Funny also how I could read two entire novels, over 900 pages, in less than a week. That's what I get with no computer for miles around.
Now, that little hacker gets his... (Here ya go, Wilek, get ready to take notes...)
***Warning, extremely violent and graphic death scene to follow. If you don't have the stomach for blood, carnage, and gore, avert your eyes and hit the scroll button immediately.***
"So, I finally managed to track you down, you little [EXPLETIVE DELETED]," Steve says as he stalks over towards the 14-year-old kid cowering in fear in the corner. "You thought you were so big and bad, giving me a trojan horse backdoor, did you? Well I got news for yer punkass. You ain't so bad in person, are you? ARE YOU?!"
While the little punkass is quivering in fear, Steve picks him up bodily, throws him in a chair, straps down his arms and legs, and proceeds to rip out his toenails one by one. When he's done with that he moves on to the fingernails. Once those are gone he grabs a conveniently-placed hammer and smashed his toes to kibble one at a time, ignoring the screams of pain and cries for mercy as he reahces for a pair of pliers which he uses to slowly and methodically rip out each and every one of the hacker's teeth.
The wannabe hacker passes out and Steve straps a bottle of smelling salts to his neck. "Wakee-wakee, tough guy," he says, "I've got more pain and suffering than you could ever imagine in store for you." After dropping some gauze pads on the ragged mess at his feet (We wouldn't want this poor fella bleeding to death prematurely, would we?), Steve grabs a scalpel and makes two quick incisions, neatly slicing off the kid's eyelids. With that, he wheels over a TV, slaps a VHS tape into the VCR slot, hits play, and leaves. The kid-hacker is forced to watch the complete collection of "Sonny and Cher" re-runs, followed by each and every Michael Bolton CD, and then selected tracks from "Faces of Death I-VI" and the classic Driver's Ed films "Red Asphalt" and "Blood on the Highway."
Steve returns to find the kid shiverring with fear and anxiety, then proceeds to make the actual punishment a thousand times worse than what he'd just seen. With the touch of a switch the hacker's chair is unfolded into a surgical table, the unwilling soul still firmly strapped down. A mirror is brought over so the patient can see everything going on as Steve proceeds to start a Y-incision with the intent to vivisect.
"And now I will open the chest cavity... Rib-spreader..." he says to no one in particular, then brings out a set of the rustiest medical instruments ever seen outside a Nazi death camp. "You may feel a slight sting as I crank your ribcage open," Dr. Steve warns. The hacker yells out in pain. "Oh, darn, did I forget the anaesthetic? Silly me." He cracks the hacker on the temple with a tack-hammer, knocking him out completely.
The kid wakes up a short time later to see his internal organs all laid out on the table around him, miraculously still connected by arteries, veins, nerves, and vesitiges of tissue. He's been thoroughly eviscerated. Muttering something incomprehensible behind his bleeding gums, the victim's lidless eyes grow wide as Steve approaches, carrying a large burlap sack.
"Did somebody order the maggots?" He says as he dumps half the bag's contents - various writhing insect larvae - into the hacker's empty chest cavity, then begins to rearrange the internal organs. "Dang, I never got the hang of this sewing thing," he says as he stitches his subject up again, the latter's chest bulging and rippling as the maggots within begin to feast on his organs.
"And now, the grand finale..." Steve wheels up four pieces of machinery and places one of the hacker's limbs inside each. The legs go into a Troy-Bilt chipper/shredder and a lawn mower, the arms a blast furnace and a meat grinder. After a short time there's nothing left of him but a head, torso, and several piles of ashes and meat.
"Oh God make it stop!" the kid screams, though it sounds more like "Awh Gaw may ih thop!" "Patience, my little friend. You wont be needing these anymore," Steve says as he burns out the hacker's eyes with 5-molar hydrochloric acid. When the steam clears and the screams subside, there isn't much left of him but a writhing torso and a skull half-burned through with acid.
"I just want you to know that I'm going to keep you on life support, fully conscious, after I infect you with flesh-eating bacteria. After that I'm going to laser off each layer of your skin until either your chest ruptures open or or those maggots inside pupate and burst out on their own. I'm going to teach you a whole new meaning of pain, bubba..."
The hacker dies. Steve shrugs. "Oh well. Bring in Clone Number Two!"
***End DC-style death***
Sorry about that people, but I *really* needed to get it out of my system. Exorcise some demons. It won't happen again.
Now that that's out of the way, I guess I should brief all the interested parties on my actual battle plan for bringing that punk to justice.
My new hard drive is installed, Win98 runs, and I'm getting my applications back. As soon as I get Norton Utilities from a co-worker I'm going to run an updated AntiVirus 5, locate the infected/compromised sections of my old drive, clean out all my documents and vital files, and then shelf the new drive.
That's right, I'm going back online from the old, infected, compromised drive. I'm gonna get him to screw with me again, only with backup this time. As soon as I find out which backdoor program he's running, be it NetBus or BackOrifice or BO2K or whatever, I'm going to have someone else connect to me, slip past whatever security he's running, locate his IP, ISP, and any other information we can scrounge up, and then on to Phase Two.
Phase Two concerns real-world stuff, like tracking his ISP, maybe getting a phone number or, if he's using a static IP from a cable modem or DSL line, messing with him through that. Optimally, I'd like to get a name, address, phone number, parent's names, the works. Then start calling in masquerading as various government agencies (from a pay phone, of course - darn caller ID), high schools, police departments, you know, the works. Pistoff, I'm sure you have plenty of experience here. TRC, I'll be going through those "revenge" text files soon :)
Anyway, that's my plan. Anybody that wants in, let me know. The gloves are off, and heads are gonna roll.
Ash > <Back to why I worry for Greg, does that mean we will all hate Gargoyles if it comes back on the air just because it doesn't match up to "what we think it should be?". I sincerely hope not.> If Gargoyles goes back on-air, and Greg writes for it, we won't have anything to complain about, I believe. The guy is just too good. I mean, Lucas wrote exactly one trilogy for Star Wars, but he got absolute editing power over everything else that came out. Some of the authors that worked on the SW storyline had it down better than he did. Timothy Zahn and Michael A. Stackpole stick out in my mind as the best Star Wars authors out there, hands down. After Ep1, Lucas slid down the ladder to around Kevin J. Anderson level. If Greg were given free reign over Gargoyles again, he would do incredible things with the storyline.
Frankly, Lucas is doing what he's doing because he can make a dumptruck load of money doing it. The very fact that he's bringing back Jar Jar is a testiment to that. The die-hard fans out there - practically ALL of them - hate Jar Jar. I don't buy that "Star Wars needs a comedic sidekick" BS for a second. Who was the comedic sidekick in the first trilogy? C3P0? Hardly. Lucas put in Jar Jar to attract kids, the big-market audience proven thousands of times over. Kids love Jar Jar. Dedicated fans hate Jar Jar. Lucas loves Jar Jar? Why? Because he knows he can rake in money hand over fist if he keeps bringing the kids (and their parents) back for more.
Anyway, back to the old grind. See y'all later.
==I wish you luck with a capital F. --Elvis Costello==
Steve Gooch - [Erebus642@aol.com]
Malverne, NY
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 05:31:19 PM
IP: 98cc6b2b.ipt.aol.com
Okay, sorry Ash. I got so hung up on the Marvel thing, I missed the point of your argument. I'm not saying Lucas should bend over backward to please his hardcore fans, some of whom are completely unpleasable, I'm sure. But he could *tried* to make a decent movie, something in keeping with the spirit that made eps 4-6 classics. Of course, Yoda would say "do or do not, there is no try." Lucas did not.
BTW, a friend of mine sent me a hilarious little piece called The Phantom Menace abridged. It's a little long to post in here, but if anybody wants a copy, just e-mail me, and I'll pass it along.
Later.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 05:22:53 PM
IP: ppp-60.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
Warpmind de InzanE-- got your em, sorry about the wrong link--I'm far from a webmaster.
Jenna
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 05:20:04 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Ash>Um, Marvel is in trouble because they have *ignored* their core audience for so long that they no longer have one. Marvel has never realized that their core audience wasn't 13 any more, and was looking for something deeper then what they had to offer. If they had, Marvel would have a division equivalent to DC's Vertigo line. (Marvel Knights does *not* count. Not even close) Add to that the fact that most of Marvel's top talent either died, or lit out for greener pastures where they could work without eighty-two levels of management scrutanizing their every move, and you see why Marvel is tied up in bankruptcy court.
Aaron - [JCarnge@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 05:13:54 PM
IP: ppp-60.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
I have a question. Are the people that were responsible for Gargoyles the same people behind Star Trek? Because I noticed that a lot of the main characters' voices are being done by people from The Next Generation. Like... what's his name.. the guy who plays Riker. And the one who plays Troi. Also, Data. Or is that just a coincidence?
Freya - [freya_of_the_aesir@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 05:00:00 PM
IP: 24.66.120.91.on.wave.home.com
Just a thought concerning all the talk about Avalon, the clan there, and all the Fey hanging around...does anyone think that such a large concentration of magical power in one spot (perhaps an "extradimensional space", as someone mentioned earlier) might be dangerous? For instance, a dream (or nightmare) of one of the clan (or one of the humans) might physically manifest itself. Or perhaps the Fey, since they're so bored, start playing mind games with their gargoyle friends, playing out little dramas to make life interesting. Or worse yet, the prospect of being cooped up in one place forever by Oberon starts getting to some of the Fey and they go just a wee bit berserk...
Oberon may be Lord of the Fey, but that doesn't mean anyone has to like him. Perhaps the gargoyle clan there helps smooth things out, keep the peace, that sort of thing.
Be seeing you!
Galvatron - [tbramfeld@hotmail.com]
Nearalake, IN, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 04:54:06 PM
IP: boron.helios.nd.edu
Sorry, I forgot to mention that Marvel comics has been bleeding red ink for years...
Ash
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 04:52:53 PM
IP: yktnsk01d010201169.sk.sympatico.ca
Aaron> Okay, I see your point... Lucas should try to please his hard core fans. Let's look at a company that is doing exactly that... Marvel Comics.
Marvel comics has a tradition of "because you demanded it!" stories which are done because everytime a change is made to the comic books (Gambit leaves the X-team, wolverine gets bone instead of adamantium claws) etc. The hard core fans scream, bite and holler until they change it back. (Wolvie is getting his adamantium back this November).
Spider-man as another example kills off Ben Reilly, ressurects all the characters they have killed, (except Uncle Ben). All because they are listening to the hard core fans.
Thus, nothing ever changes, and if nothing ever changes only the hard core market stays as you lose the rest. 'Nuff Said.
Excelsior.
Ash
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 04:51:05 PM
IP: yktnsk01d010201169.sk.sympatico.ca
Ash > I always thought Angela and Brooklyn should have been together. Greg thought otherwise. If anything, I like the show a lot more because of our differences of opinion. Brooklyn became a more sympathetic character, and we had to look at Broadway in a different light. Also, some light is shed on Angela, for she chose the less "handsome" of the three of them. If Greg Weisman did what the fans wanted, we'd miss out on the great character development.
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 04:18:33 PM
IP: 156.40.117.111
Actually Ash, I'm not a hardcore SW fan,(I live with one, so I know what they look like)and I hated TPM. And frankly, if Greg spent more then two years hyping the thing, and then went off the deep end, killed Demona five minutes in to the movie, and then spent the rest of the movie having our heros wander around with a really annoying Jamacian-accented character, we, the fans, who've been keeping the spirit of the series alive, while not the two decades SW fans have, might have the right to bemoan what's being done to the show or movie we love.
Frankly, I think Lucas has gotten fat and lazy, and quit trying. After all, when you have an army of fanatically loyal devotees, why bother trying to please them? Just slap together any old crap, and relax in the certainty that they'll still shell out the bucks for it.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 04:13:40 PM
IP: ppp-60.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
Kitarsis > Wow, Aris, you're only an "h" away from being part of a Greek tragedy! Coolsville!
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 04:07:38 PM
IP: 156.40.117.111
George Lucas> You know all this talk about how "the sequel sucked" etc, and "he should have done this or that", makes me wonder how someone like Greg would feel if he got to do gargoyles again. We have hundreds of fanfic stories, and a fan-based season continuation called TGS. Star Wars has the same thing multiplied by 100.
Now I notice that the people that had the most problem with the sequel are the hardcore star wars fans, because it didn't live up to "their expectations". The people who veiwed the Star Wars sequel for what it is (A MOVIE!!!) most enjoyed it immensely. I never went to see the phantom menace myself because I didn't like the original movies, and I knew that the best part of the show would be watching Lucas lining normally rational thinking beings and shoving them all into the theatre like sardines (after making them wait in line for a week). Also it was hillarious to see people scoop up Episode 1 figures as fast as they could be made, simply because of all the hype he was able to inspire. If the Illuminati exists, they would have signed up Lucas by now for his talents of mind control.
Back to why I worry for Greg, does that mean we will all hate Gargoyles if it comes back on the air just because it doesn't match up to "what we think it should be?". I sincerely hope not.
Ash
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 03:47:24 PM
IP: yktnsk01d010201220.sk.sympatico.ca
Paul> Kitarsis? Wow! I have had my name misspelled before but this... wow! :)
Lucas - Scott/Christine> I agree with Scott. If George Lucas believes that cutting Darth Maul in half is better for the story then he should do it regardless of what the fans think.
Norse mythology> It's not Vingard, it's Vanaheim.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 02:57:51 PM
IP: athe530-g061.otenet.gr
Aaron> I can't seem to find him either! I only found out he was in it last night...
SOROW
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 02:37:40 PM
IP: usr12-dialup49.mix1.irving.cw.net
Green Baron> Spanky, spanky, kissy, kissy... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! I'm trying to find the marshmellows...ummm...how bout this partially drank Dr Pepper? And that was a beautiful latin prayer you posted too...
Kit> Was The Postman that movie with Kevin Costner? I never had the chance to see it.
Spike> Great panel! I voted for ya... That site cracks me up (especially with the trio and the candy hearts for "The Love of Angela").
Let the birthday bash begin!
SOROW
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 02:35:50 PM
IP: usr12-dialup49.mix1.irving.cw.net
Aaron staggers in, shuts the door, and slides slowly down the wall to sit on the floor.
The boss' car is broken, so guess who's job it was to drive him to Seguin this morning? For those unfarmiliar with Texas geography, that's about 100 miles round trip, especially if you get lost, and take a "scenic detour." Of course, it wouldn't have taken so long if he would've just SHUT UP AND LET ME DRIVE! Quit critiquing me! Did I mention my car has no ac and it's ninty-something out?
But enough b!tching, on to replies.
SOROW> Last of the Mohicans, eh? Colm Meany (O'brian, Rory's dad) is supposed to be in that movie, but I can never find him.
Kitainia> Thanks. I should've remembered that. You'd think I could remember a name like Saffron.
Coldstone> They're not going to let me buy a copy of The Matrix unless I buy a DVD player. That's it! I'm getting my coat and going down to the WB main offices.
Pistoff> Sure, I'd love to see the rough draft. But please, please, please, kill the Backstreet Boys instead of Hanson. If you kill Hanson, we won't get to see them crash and burn. We won't get to see them catch the drummer, (Who's what, six) in a hotel room with an 8-ball and a hooker.
Mandi> Actually, I felt better on three hours yesterday then I do on almost seven today. Maybe seven's just not a good number.
Coyote> Actually, that reminds me of a shirt I keep meaning to buy. It says: This is not the life I ordered.
Christine> Okay, a few days ago I said:
<<Frankenstein> If I was Xanatos, this would've been one of my biggest fears: That Coyote would go Frankenstein and demand to be built a mate. Maybe something named Vixen. (Aaron conjures vision of COYOTI 6.0 singing The Doors' "Build Me a Woman" >>
And then Wilek said:
<<<blink> Words fail me. You just know someone in here is
going to write an unconscionably twisted story along these lines, quite possibly for the adult archive. I might, if not for the fact that I would probably go right off the deep end in the process, and, well, I don't have the time for that. ;P>>
As soon as Wilek said unconsionably twisted and for the adult archive, I thought of you. ;)
Later.
Aaron wanders out again, whistling the end credits to Goodfellas.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 02:31:01 PM
IP: ppp-35.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
Christine > Lucas has this thing called an "artistic vision." You have it, too, last I checked. It's not the fan's place to tell him what to do with his stories. It's *his* vision and *his* money. And if he wants to respond to complaints by cutting people in half and adding more Jar Jars, then I say go for it! The movie will suck... but that's *my* problem.
Speaking of extremes, isn't that what your stories are (in)famous for? The more people complain about the "content," the more extreme you make them, correct? Nothing wrong with that.
Art should be observed, and tinkered with only by the artist.
Looking forward to that Kenobi 'fic, BTW. :) You can start it off by killing Jar Jar. ;)
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 02:28:51 PM
IP: 156.40.117.111
RP WARNING!!
**Now, OJ faces off against the Borg court. Judge Ito puts on a headband with a large red circle and speaks in a way that his mouth movements and speaking are different.
"Now, OJ-san, you will die. Ha! Ha! Ha!"
OJ chucks out a knife and says, "Hyundai beats Honda anyday."
Enraged, Judge Ito rushes into him to be impaled by his knife. Next, OJ takes Judge Ito's katana and slices Marcia Clark in two and then Furhman. His three lawyers starts to cower, so he throws some powder on them turning them into hamsters. Then the hamsters start linedancing to the horror of everyone.**
PAUSE RP
Xanthar and Robby> Thanks guys.
Jackal> I oculd give you a lecture about why you matter, but that has already been done by soem others. I cannot tell you what to do, but you do have a son and you care about him. At least for his sake. I should also tell you a story about myself and an unfortunate legacy I have.
Most of you don't know about why I have my name. I was named after two people, one of them, my great-uncle Thomas Muldrup Forsyth. Uncle Mully was a very bright man. He was born in 1909 and went to UVA in the honors program. During and after WWII he was teh Consul General to Brazil and he hunted down Nazis who fled to South America. He was not perfect and in fact suffered from two family curses, manic-depression and alchoholism. His life was not a bad one,a nd he married a young lady from South America and was well-received by her family. Unfortunately she died form cancer in 1969, and in the next year he shot himself, because he could not be without her any longer. The tale was a tragic one, especially since I was born seven years later, so I was basically named afetr a man who took his own life. In that sense I could be a successor to him, though I digress. If he had lived, I may have met and he would be able to teach me a lot. I have also thought for a long time my life would end like his did, since I do suffer from depression, though I have better control over it. I have even tried to take my own life, though thsoe days are past and if I do, it means no Dies Irae at my Funeral Mass, and what could happen afterwards to me is not a pleasant possibility. I am glad that you stopped yourself and you rushed to the hospital. You have many more issues that may need to be worked out and i hope you can in time. You are still young and I am the same age you are. Besides, do you really want your dad raising your son?
Jenniren> I intend to have some involvement with the Avalon Clan in my fics, once I ever put them to paper :)
James Birdsong> At least you know what your problem is. BTW, to deal with your problem with people cursing, join the NAVY :)
Kaioto> I imagine you are a busy soul now. Ready to meet Sexy Lexy? :)
Zath> Eight teeth?
Ave maria gratia plena, dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, benedictus fructus ventris tui Jesu. Sancat maria, mater dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunct et in hora mortis nastrae, amen.
I hope that makes you feel a little better :)
Paul> You should learn to have soem more fun in life, and not be as post-modern and PC.
Speaking of PC> The People's Republic of Santa Cruz, California has now outlawed hate. I guess Pistoff and Xanthar better not pursue a celebrity through the happy faced police state of Santa Cruz :)
Pistoff> I always order right and if I screew up in ordering, I just give a bigger tip :)
Kitainia> Congrats
Christine> I wonder who this CR dweller is ;)
Entity> I always thought you could see an R rated movie with an adult present. I don't like censorship either. It makes as much sense as outlawing hate :)
Mandolin> A natural way to fend off ants is termites, but they are worse.
Tim P> You seem to have a rougher time in HS than I did. Am I the only one who enjoyed HS in here?
TRC> Welcome back. Hope to see you at G2K
SOROW><<Lots of kisses tonight! >> Don't foret to save a few for the birthday boy :)
RESUME RP!!
**The line dancing hamsters are interrupted by Reverend Attila as he jumps into the fray and eats them. Then, the jigglypuff he ate starts having horrible effects as he begins to pass horrible gas killing everyone in the World Devestator, except Guod and OJ. Guod then uses his machine to revive the heroes and whatever entourage Doug and Kit want to destroy.
"I want you all to suffer. Ha! Ha! Ha! Now as for you, Simpson.."
Guod's hand releases a missile that hits OJ shooting him up into the sky and then explodes displaying a beautiful fireworks scene, while OJ has been scattered into thousands of pieces. Is this the end of OJ?**
END RP for now!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 01:51:41 PM
IP: 141.164.71.219
Hi. Ok, I have no idea what's going on but I noticed you were talking about Norse Mythology and I think that the other person is right. There are the Aesir and the Vanir. The two races of gods. Asgard (Asgarth) is where the Aesir gods hang out. And the Vanaheim is the abode of the Vanir gods.
Freya - [freya_of_the_aesir@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 01:30:11 PM
IP: 24.66.120.91.on.wave.home.com
Kitainia: You made a mistake- it's the Vanir and Vanaheim. Of course it was originally my mistake. Ay yi yi.
Doug
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 01:02:57 PM
IP: pool-209-138-163-68.dlls.grid.net
Thanks to everyone who's congratulated me. Just so you know, I was surprised to get it too. Especially considering I'll be going to part time on this job once school starts in three weeks. :)
Todd: Doug and I have a book of Norse Mythology here in our apartment's collection. According to it, there are two sets of Norse gods- the Aesir and Venir. The Aesir live in Asgard, Odin's their leader, Thor and Loki are prominent members. The Venir are their neighbor and ally gods, they live in a place called Vingard, prominent members of their court include Frey, Freyja, Njord, and Skadi.
More later.
Kitainia
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 01:00:31 PM
IP: pool-209-138-163-68.dlls.grid.net
Hi, all!
Glad everyone liked that Sith ad as much as I did!
We added a second computer so of course things have been all bollixed up ... I will be getting my site updates all fixed soon. Also will be adding a couple new pics, a new (long, was gonna be a three-parter but it didn't divvy up into nice even segments so I crammed it all together) fanfic called Indigo, and a Silver Flame story that may once and for all dispel any notions about the purity of one of our own CR regulars ; )
Jenniren > I've played a bit with the Avalon clan, in such stories as "Angela's Awakening," "Mother's Day," "Broadway Goes to Avalon," and "Three of a Kind."
Aaron > what suggestion of Wilek's? I've been away from this room for many days and conseqently may have missed much.
Also > as I've been so far behind, if anyone is waiting on e-mail back from me, I should be catching up today or tomorrow!
Avalon Mists > three weeks until the deadline! Still plenty of time to get those submissions in for the next issue!
Lucas > or it could be, just maybe, that he's a spoiled child-man who petulantly insists on doing things _his_ way no matter what public response showed ... they like Darth Maul and want him back? Fine, slash the bugger in half and drop him down a pit (at least they slashed him in half first; it was the high place death scene all over again). They hate Jar Jar? How _dare_ they! Just for that, I'll put that squashy frog man in every other project I do from now until forever!
... of course, I could be wrong ...
And speaking of upsetting Lucas > I've just begun an Obi-Wan fic. It just isn't enough to risk the wrath of Disney ... ; )
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 12:42:45 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net
Hm … 8 hours until I get on a plane to fly out to Wisconsin. I get to visit Lexy-chan in person. Aren't I supposed to have jitters or something? Maybe I should be packing but …
Avalon: Pocket dimension. Not all laws of physics and no weather patterns need apply.
Zath: Eight teeth? Jeez. My condolences.
Robby: I loved the last action hero.
Pistoff: I hate customers. I scoop ice cream … in the financial district. I'm forced to deal with a handful of well-to-do fat @**es all day who act like I'm their inferior. I devised the best way possible to quit my job. I'll never do it because the franchise owner is a great guy and a friend to many I care about. But still, it is too good not to at least speculate:
Friday, 2:35PM, Boston Financial District, Brigham's on High Street, Take Out Counter.
*Line extends well out the door, causing all the AC to be drained out because people are too stupid to shut it. Some random yuppie walks up, gives a condescending smile, and hands me the 18th freaking list order of the day.*
Me: Gr … *looks over the few score frappes, sundaes, and cones this freak wants while 20+ people wait behind him* Pardon me. *Takes list and pulls the loose back of my pants. Places the paper ever so delicately down, and proceeds to wipe my @$$. Removes paper*
Customer: O_o
Me: *throws list back at him. Points exasperatedly. Speaks in a low voice like a tired parent to a dense child* Great. The. F***. Out. Of. My. Store.
Customer: Duh.
Me: I quit. I no longer work here. I'm no longer accountable to my owner. I'm going to give you a five second head start. *crack knuckles* And when I catch you, I'm going to make you squeal like a little piggy, fat @**.
Customer: ?
Me: One … Two …
Customer: *waddles/bolts as fast as he can out the door*
Me: *turns to the next customer with a murderous gleam in my eye* Can I help the neck person in line …
Ah … but for the simple lack of loyalty, the fun I could have getting myself fired.
Happy Birthday to everyone who has them.
The Matrix: Honestly, I hate censorship, but what the hell is the point of a ratings system if you never enforce it? R means you can't see this without supervision and approval by a parent or guardian if you are under 17. That does not mean that everyone walks in and buys a ticket and gets in uncontested, or that it is there for your parents to see the adds and then tell you not to see the naughty movie. (CFC, Doug and Kitainia's Cookie Jar Theory) Seriously, if we are going to have ratings, enforce them. However, unenforced ratings are not a legitimate reason for censorship. Enforce the freaking system and people may stop calling to ban things. Just like if parents took responsibility for their kids, instead of letting the entertainment industry (pillars of morals and family values that we all know they are) play baby-sitter, people might lessen the outcry to burn books, computers and television programs.
JackaL: My friend, I'm glad you decided you didn't want to leave us. Jack, I know I'm not qualified to talk about suicide from the first person. My wrists aren't scarred. I know you've probably heard this all before anyway. I know I probably will suck at saying what I have to say. I also know I can't shut up because I care about you … and because I cared about my uncle too.
JackaL, suicide is a strange business. First off, it is a permanent solution to an almost always temporary problem (with the notable exception of Euthanasia). Second, it doesn't hurt you, it hurts the others around you. Not only do they have to deal with the general loss and diminishment of your death that comes naturally, they have to deal with the reality that you abandoned them. Suicide makes those that care about and understand you most feel like not only did they F*** up, but that you didn't care enough about them to stick by them.
I lost my uncle Ronny when I was 9 years old. He was a struggling artist who never got a break. He saw himself as a failure, and a drain on his family. So, one night, he killed himself. He left it to his parents to find the body, and left a note to my father. What I experiences from that, at age 9, lead me to two conclusions. I saw the look in my father's eye, and how hurt my grandparents were. I saw the hopelessness written on Ronny's best friend's face. I vowed I'd never put my family and friends through that kind of pointless suffering. I also vowed I'd never make the same "mistakes" and "failures" of my own life. I decided I was going to be successful. I was going to make money, have a "normal" education. Most significantly, I decided the Arts could kiss my @**.
I look back now, on how I lived years later in the aftermath of that event. I can see now I was not making a clear, rational plan. I was scared and scarred. I saw somehow that my uncle's pursuit of the arts had contributed to his fate. I also kept hearing from friends and family how much I looked like, sounded like, or acted like my uncle when he was younger. Brother, I was scared Sh**less in the back of my head. As a result, I never gave any artistic expression a chance. It took me nearly 7 years to get to the point where I even respected art again, could try to sing. I found I did it well. But now, I've finally settled all these demons a decade later, seeing things for what they are in my past, and it is too late to change … I can't go back and tell my parents I wanted singing lessons, or learn to play a guitar, or join a band, or in any way explore my art to the way it might of become my life path. That road is all but closed to me … for the unseen ramifications of a single act of one man in self-destruction. But I still love him, care for him, and forgive him.
Please, JackaL, don't leave us too.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:41:58 AM
IP: 1cust39.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net
This discussion of Oberon vs. various aliens, and such I just have to comment on. Being a Wing Commander junkie, try this. Oberon vs. the whole Confed fleet. Say goodby to Oberon. Course, there might be a little colateral damage from the fight.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:40:55 AM
IP: fltg2-ppp6.fltg.net
Exin- sorry! :(
Jenna
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:34:50 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Jenna>Why no mail???
Exin
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:23:51 AM
IP: 193.97.193.250
Coyote- glad to hear your grandmom is back home- keeping her in my thoughts- :)
Jenna
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:09:01 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Coyote- glad to hear your grandmom is back home- keeping her in my thoughts- :)
Jenna
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:07:55 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Coyote - Sorry it didn't work for you. It works on both my new computer and my old 486 so I didn't think there'd be a problem for anyone. I'm glad your Grandmother is back home and "in rare form now." I wish my Mom had had her kind of luck.
Xenogears or Rustygears - I'll take both of them, since parodies have never spoiled the originals for me in the past. I'm not buying a $100 Playstation, but maybe I'll try Bleem since it's supposed to work with Xenogears. (Bleem is softwear that lets you play Playstation games on your PC. If you're interested, click on my name or go to www.bleem.com). Anyone in here ever try Bleem? Alas, I can't buy anything just yet due to an emaciated wallet that will take a couple of months to recover.
Wilek - On what the gargoyles are 'doing' in Avalon. Naughty, naughty, shame on you. ;) :D ;)
Well I felt I had to say something about gargoyles in this post and that's the best I could come up with :]
Jenniren
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 11:04:26 AM
IP: user-2ivf8hs.dialup.mindspring.com
Sorry for the double (now triple ... damned fingers!!) post, but I forgot something ...
Kitainia: Congrats on the raise. Hey, now I'm jealous, I didn't get a raise until I was working at the store for about ... crap, I think it was ten months!! (Then again, I guess I didn't really need one ... I started off as a commercial accounts driver there, and when the CA division got cut from my store I got moved into the parts department, but kept my pay rate, which at the time was $7.00/hr (it's now $7.25/hr), and it instantly made me one of the higher paid parts guys. :). Though I guess I shouldn't feel too bad ... the way it looks right now they *might* start grooming me for management in the near future.
Oh, and check the name link ... I was surfing this last night, and while I didn't find the info I was *looking* for, it was interesting all the same. All I have to say is that I *desperately* want Cadillac to speed up that Sigma project of theirs ... the 2000 De Ville is *pathetic*. (Like I said last night when I first saw it ... "That's *not* a De Ville, that's a Grand Am with a facelift.")
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:37:33 AM
IP: modem76.i-is.com
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Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonad
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:33:01 AM
IP: modem76.i-is.com
**enters the room, switching out the candles**
Some quick 'uns before I go to work ...
Wilek, re: "Life is a Lemon": Actually, I only put up the bridge, but the rest of it would make you see why it's such a great pick-me-up ... it's actually anger over the fact that the singer's life is out of control, but he's not depressed enough to kill himself ... he's so angry he's asking for a refund on his life. He sees there's nothing he can do about the situation, and he's not happy, but in a certain level he accepts his lot.
Mandi, re: car woes: Hmm ... that *is* weird ... dang, I'm stumped.
Delphi, re: work woes: Heh, they *have* to take a woman's word for it at *my* store now (I work in an auto parts store). After the last personnel shift, there is now a woman as the #1 parts manager, over two men. There's also a woman as a store manager, so in certain situations if a customer won't take a woman's word for his problem ... well, he's SOL, ain't he? (In fact, there have been shifts I've worked ... closing shifts ... when I've been the *only* man working.) :)
**sighs, looking at the tallest candle, then leaves**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 10:05:47 AM
IP: modem76.i-is.com
Goodmorning all-
Pistoff>> waiting on others is always an interesting proposition, I work in retail and run into it all the time
it's the end of the gardeshop season for us, so certain things start running out and CANNOT be gotten in again till NEXT YEAR customer calls "Do you have any lawn mowers?" "Sorry sir, we have sold all push mowers in stock for this year." "um, well how much did they cost?" NOW my mind is saying WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, THERE ARE NO MORE!!!! "Well sir, they started at $99 and went up to $399, is there anything else I can help you with today? "Your sure you won't get anymore?" "Yes, when the warehouse runs, thats it for the season." "Can I talk to the garden manager?" "Well sir that would be ME." In my mind I'm, really PO'd, cause far too many guys don't accept the word of a female, when connected with mechanically oriented things, etc etc etc
oh well, life goes on......
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 09:19:10 AM
IP: 207.14.200.96
Darth Maul > Lucas intended on killing him from the very beginning, but he didn't originally cut him in half. He only added that part in later to make sure the fans had no question about it. In a way, he was anticipating the disappointment fans would have felt if they went into Episode II expecting Maul to make a comeback. Getting that disappointment out of the way, fans have a better chance of enjoying the next installment.
And now for something TGS-related > They reformed Demona? What's the deal with that? Does this mean Macbeth has to forgive her, too?
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 08:50:37 AM
IP: 156.40.117.111
Willing a stomachache to go away at work... so this may not be coherent. I may have to lay off coffee for a while if this persists.
Coyote> <<Why else would I actively search out people
to MSTie my fics (as Mara Cordova and Cyrway are going to do, and hopefully Mandi if she ever takes me up on the offer)?>> Sigh... I will once I get the MiSTing I'm working on done. I dibsed a very long fanfic, "Apocalypse: A Captain N Movie" almost 10 months ago, and have been trying to get it done sporadically, and still can't hack out the last two host segments! (I think I probably outdid myself with the "Harvey the Wonder Hamster" bit I included.) Until this one gets done - it's already over 200K - I'm holding back on starting any new MiSTings.
Car News> Mom took the car - a '92 Honda Accord - out tonight after she got home to get food. And for her, it behaved perfectly. My stepdad and our next-door neighbor, who at least know what they're doing, took a look at it and couldn't find anything wrong. Either way, I had to drive to work today so I wouldn't have to walk six blocks on post to the library, so here's hoping it continues to behave.
Paul> I only come home from school on official breaks (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, summer) and on the longer ones I'm working. I might as well have my parents buy the Playstation for themselves, since they'd have more of a chance to play it. Or I should have Dave buy it, since in my free time he'd come over and play it more than I would. Besides, I still have the original Final Fantasy for the NES in my closet somewhere, which I never finished because with my low attention span I got tired of it. (Of course, I was in middle school then, but still...) Thanks anyway.
Pistoff> I never understood why there's just small, large, and extra large, but when I'm reminded of that I just say, "Okay, a large then." I think people expect WAY too much nowadays - a while back, for my 18th birthday/grad party, Mom went to get a cake made with "Hood College" iced on the top. She gave the guy an envelope with their name and little logo, expecting block letters or something. He duplicated the logo exactly. Mom was amazed, but the guy was even more stunned that she appreciated it so much. :)
Aaron> <<I've had about three hours sleep, and I feel grrrrrreat!>> Do I ever envy you. I'm running on seven hours of sleep, and I literally had to drag myself out of bed this morning. I'm a college student - lack of sleep shouldn't affect me as badly as it does!
JackaL> You tried to commit suicide? Okay, I sound like a broken record, but why? Please don't! If you ever need to talk, we'll listen, believe me.
Finally, the antacid's kicked in. Til later...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 08:32:45 AM
IP: ch164-10.apgea.army.mil
Aris Kitarsis-I've never seen the shows/Movies you've mentioned.
Kitainia-Borgan's the Special Boss I was warning you two about!! He's not a mage, he's a wizard. I think. I don't remember exactly, but that's just literary pickiness, I guess. What'd you two think of the Pentagulia Portion?
Robby-Brief note.
I don't usually get involved in any arguments in this Room but I was scrolling around below my previous Posts for whatever reason and noticed your comments on James. The reason I'm commenting here is because if he had not apologized and had said something I wished to comment on, too, I would have responded. I'm not going to ignore someone over a disagreement, or whatever, with someone else.
The XENOGEARS Parody-I can laugh at myself. I am not going to laugh at suffering and pain, and XENOGEARS is one of the most realistic Games out there. The Characters have full personalities, and are completely lifelike, and the situations are not played dramatically.
I know other people aren't as emotionally attached, but I can still defend the Game, and the Characters.
I am standing with my commentary.
Mandi-Simply restrict your PlayStation playing time to home. I doubt you could set it up at school and not get noticed.
"Man cannot associate with others without first deceiving himself. That is the way humans are."-Krelian
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 08:09:40 AM
IP: 26.morristown-01-02rs.nj.dial-access.att.net
KITAINA - What is Vingard, anyway? I don't recall it cropping up anywhere in Norse mythology, and I've always been something of an expert on the subject.
One other location on Avalon that we know about from the original series is the volcano (cf. "Ill Met By Moonlight"). Why they've got one on the island I don't know, but maybe some of Oberon's Children are fire creatures (salamanders, for example - I mean the mythological kind).
PUCK AND MR. MXYLSPTLK - Spelling of the latter's name is probably not accurate. I've noticed a certain similarity between the two myself, although I think that Puck's the more interesting of the two - and my reasons for thinking so are one of the reasons why I still consider "Gargoyles" better than "The New Batman/Superman Adventures". Both get stripped of their powers and banished to the outside world (Mr. Mxylsptlk in the episode where he was getting Bizarro into going after Superman), but the little annoying imp with the all-consonant name was subjected to it because he kept on pestering Superman and showed no signs of any change throughout, while Puck got stripped of his powers for doing the right thing (trying to stop Oberon from kidnapping Alex), and was given room in so doing for character development as Puck/Owen, in the tragic loss that he undergoes as being condemned to be Owen for eternity except when he teaches or protects Alex. Puck therefore gets more of a real story, while the 5th dimensional imp remains static.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 07:09:43 AM
IP: 205-242-191-119.dialup-stl.primary.net
Hi all!!
Warpmind:"Alas, poor Ricky. I never knew him, guys."*LOL* good one!!:)and I've got no problem with you joining in on the Joyride,the more the merrier IMHO>:)
"Map information gained from the victim in the torture chamber":)
**POST-RICKY'S JOYRIDE**
"So who's next" said jack
"I don't know" said Xanathar "lets consult the great book of Grudges"
Xanathar pulls out a large leather-bound,blood caked book that contains a list of names.
"Personally I'd like to rip the Hanson brothers a new one
the've been ticking me off for ages"said Xanathar
What do you guys think?
**To be Continued**
TRC:Welcome back!,Family Reunions:I'm fortunatly spared these by the fact that all of my relatives(barring imediate family)live in England far far away from me:)
Entity:Censorship is a joke. But alas, it isn't a very funny one.>>Agreed!
Green Baron: Happy Birthday!
JEB:You wrote a Tobins Spirit Guide0_0 thats too cool for words:)
Coyote:Thats great news about your grandmother.
Fleur:check your mail,I lft a message for you regarding the Gargoyles trading cards last night but my ISP being strange,I don't know whether it got trough or not.
Delphi:Of course that reminds me of when they first came in the store, someone took one put batteries in it and hid it under the desk in the office, hoping to get one of the Assitant managers to jump out of their skin. Well instead one of the part time helpers came into the office, set the thing off, only from where it was located the sound was muffled and it sound like someone let one rip. Being very polite the young man got what he came for, and left casting sly glances at the person he thought was responsible for the uncouth deed.
When he left we all lost it!!!>>*ROTFL* thats priceless!!:)(Yes I'm easily amused)
Kitainia:Congratulations on the raise.
C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 06:56:55 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
Robby: Oh, I do agree, the first film was a masterpiece, all things considered (aside from the theme, which could become a tad annoying after constantly replaying in one's mind for weeks), but the sequel, oh, the pain, the pain... I think that changing house must have been in the third film, which I am glad to say Norway was spared from... the second was bad enough. Still, it was the first film that gave me my first light shock from movies. Remember the opening helm scene from the Sphinx Gate? Hmmm... Sphinx Gate... now that sounds like Gargoyles material, don't you think? "I'll open the Sphinx Gate to cross time." "Yes, but before you do that, you must answer a riddle!" AaAaAaRrGh!
David G: Try to catch you sometime around noon GMT tomorrow, maybe in the Great Library of Alexandria (preferrably before the fire)? I think I found the way by rearranging three books by Erich von Däniken and a copy of Guiness' book of Records 1997. Of course, it could be that I was nodding off for a moment... :)
Oh, and hey, might it be alright for Xanathar, Pistoff and Jack to accept a new passenger?
**POST-RICKY'S JOYRIDE**
Warpmind stands by the side of the road, attempting to hitch a ride. A Hearse with some strange, biological-looking ornapents roar down the road and come to a screeching halt next to him. Jack, Pistoff and Xanathar peek out at Warpmind, who gives them the Vulcan Salute. "Live Long and Prosper, guys. Got room for a passenger in no particular direction in there?"
**TO BE CONTINUED BY SOMEONE ALREADY IN THE CAR**
Oh, hope, hope, hope...
Well, I've got a job to do in the library, so I'll catch up with you later (inserts Dungeon Keeper CD-ROM into the CD-ROM drive).
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 04:06:44 AM
IP: ti24a03-0003.dialup.online.no
JackaL: Aww, man, sorry you're having such a rough time. I hope things get better soon. And remember, killing yourself may seem like a solution, but if you take that path, you let the bastards win. Besides, it's soooo much more fun to punish your enemies. If you do it just right, you can drive *them* to suicide. :)
Wilek: Dead or alive??? Ehhh...alive, bubba. 'Cause, see, if your girlfriend is dead, it's not likely that she'll be having sex with you anytime soon. ;) Well, you could, I guess, but it wouldn't be consensual because she can't say "yes" ... or anything else...which would make it rape. Ehhh...I'm analyzing this *way* too much... :P
Coyote: A dragster hearse. Yessss! Actually, what would be fun would be to enter Cthulhu in a monster-truck competition... ;) Glad your grandmother is out of the hospital, too. :D
Aaron: As for whether Oberon did something to Delilah...well, I can't comment here because it would be a spoiler. :) The story won't be posted for quite a while because there are a number of other eps that need to be done first, and this particular one will probably have to be adjusted a little to fit the way the plot develops. But if you'd like to see an advanced copy of the rough draft, just let me know and I'll email it to ya. :) There are no major spoilers in it, other than Jack and Delilah's relationship...which is probably pretty obvious, anyway. :)
Warpmind: "Alas poor Ricky. I never knew him, guys." LMAO! I was thinking something similar, but you got there first. Hmm...great (warped) minds thinking alike? :)
And speaking of which...
**RICKY'S JOYRIDE COMES TO AN END**
Our heroes ponder the remains of the late, unlemented Ricky. Pistoff scratches his chin.
"Hmm...there's not much that's identifiable..."
"Well," Jack mutters, "there's his schlong...."
Pistoff and Xanathar blurt, "He has a schlong?!"
"Not anymore. Now it's a hood ornament. I've got a friend who needs one, and this would definitely make his car stand out." Jack grins. "And you can hang his balls from your rearview mirror."
"Cool!"
Xanathar glances up. "The buzzards are getting closer."
Pistoff nods. "Yeah. They'll take it from here."
The three of them get back in the hearse and wave to the buzzards as they descend on the blob that used to be Ricky Martin.
"Bon appetit, guys!"
Jack starts the engine and they roar off down the road.
"So...who's next?"
**THE END?**
Kitainia: Congrats on your raise! As for it being "only" fifty cents per hour...check this out--I've been working at Pizza Hut for almost five years now, and I got my first raise about eight or nine months ago. And it was fifteen cents per hour. :P
SJ: Nifty ideas for Oberon's opponents. But one I'd love to see is...Oberon versus a special advanced-prototype T-1000 made out of liquid iron. :) Of course, Obie wasn't exactly in one piece after Jack Hammer got through with him, either, heheheh! And I agree completely about the ban on The Matrix. Honestly, it's up to parents to make sure their kids don't see "objectionable" material. The Matrix was one of the best films of the year, as you said. Honestly, this movie would never have been banned if those dip$h!ts hadn't put on trenchcoats and shot up their school. I mean, hell, I've worn a trenchcoat for years, and I never started catching any flak about it until the Columbine shooting happened. Now, every time I go anywhere, I hear things like, "He's wearing a trenchcoat! He's gonna steal something!" Or "Call the cops!" Yeesh. As Hunter Thompson likes to say, "F--k those people."
TRC: To find out how Ricky's Joyride started, I think it began in last week's CR, just before the wipe. About the hearse being smelted in the flames of hell--well, it *is* a custom job, hehehehehehe! Bitchin' bumper sticker, too. :)
Mandolin and Wilek (again): Yes, thin-pan. :) Another favorite of mine is the argument over the size of the stuffed crust. People always want it in a medium or small, but it's only available in a large. I tell people this, and they always say "Why?" How should I know? It's one of those management decisions that are made by people who have never set foot in a Pizza Hut in their entire lives. "But I want a medium stuffed crust!" Sorry, we only have large ones. "But I don't want a large one!" Fine, don't get one, then. "But..." DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!!
Entity: I agree with you about First Contact. It's got so many holes in the plot, it whistles when the wind blows. Heh, actually, I did a riff on this movie in my aforementioned Jack Hammer vs. Oberon story--Marina Sirtis says one of her lines, and one of the viewers says, "Hey, that voice sounds familiar..." ;) I've been told that I should be smacked for that one, hehehehe! Anyway, I'd love to see that rant of yours. Feel free to email it if you want. :)
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 03:32:22 AM
IP: wire-30.koalas.com
VOTE IN THE FANDOM TOP FIVE! Only four days left! The categories include favorite writer, artist, cycle (series), individual story, individual illustration, male character, female character, and villain. All TGS stuff including writers, artists, stories, and characters count.
Also, let me be the first to say, HAPPY BIRTHDAY GREEN BARON! (And tommorrow is my birthday, and after that like two more people have them...) It's time for a Leo birthday celebration!
Sorow- Gee, you seem to be in a good mood... Lotsa kisses going around...
Greg Bishansky- The Columbia shooting reinforced the R rating system and basically made it more along the lines of R being equivilent to NC-17. As a result, I wasn't able to see the South Park movie with my cousin a couple weeks back, which rather ticked me off... And the Matrix in my personal opinion had nothing that deserved an R rating, it was more of a PG-13 movie.
SJ- Mister Mxyzptlk is the spelling you're looking for. (Though yours was pretty close!) But him teamed up with Puck... Thats scary...
TRC- Its funny you should mention that Elisa looks bare chested in that shot with Goliath from the season finale... The picture almost got cut for that very reason! The staff took a while to decide, that yes, there was a blue dress involved, and that if anyone thought otherwise we'd have to be ready to explain that she was wearing the dress from the Journey...
Wilek- There's three ways out of that continuity problem in my RP. Eithe rassume that Jim was headed for something spaceworthy and thats what was meant by heading to SJ's location. Or assume that Jim's friggin' rich he actually does have a helicopter that's spaceworthy. Or just figure its not that important to the plot since he's not going to get there. However I did screw up by saying Connection Denied was on the Death Star Two and not the Dark Star Two...
Katainia- Congrats on the raise!
Coyote- Glad your grandmother is better.
Entity- First Contact was certainley full of flaws. Me and my cousin Bryan decided to nitpick the movie for the heck of it and gave up about half way in when we lost count of all the nits we'd found...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 03:17:53 AM
IP: spider-ta081.proxy.aol.com
First Contact> I know that I am in the minority in my opinion of this film. For some reason that I have been unable to fathom everyone, fans and nonfans alike, have loved it. It is for this reason that I am in the process of putting up a webpage to denounce the film, by pointing out its many unforgivable flaws. This is a pre-written, several-page-long rant that originally got written a couple years back to vent my frustrations. While the webpage isn't up yet, I do have the document. If anyone is curious to know why I think First Contact was forged from Hell's fires, I'll e-mail you the rant. :)
I'm Sorry> I have seen one too many people not know the person responsible for this great work. Me, I memorized his name first time I read the fic. His name is Aaron Ziegler. Are TGSers allowed to vote in your poll, Robby? If so, then I'd like to nominate Aaron Ziegler for my choice of FAVORITE WRITER. There are so many other good writers out there (eyes several in the room) but for that one unsurmountable masterpiece Aaron takes the cake, IMO.
Stephen> You agree with the enforcement of the R-rating thing? *shiver* We're all entitled to our opinion, but I am in 100 percent vehement disagreement with ya.
As for "The Matrix" not coming out on VHS.... are you sure? That sounds like a bogus rumor to me. But if it is true, I hardly see the action as brave on WB's part. In fact, I see it as despicable. The only reason WB would do such a thing was if they thought it would be in their best interests. They, and all the other big companies that have been reacting so radically to the Columbine thing, are not doing it because they care. They are doing it because they want to win public favor. It's superficial and totally detestable.
I didn't gun down my classmates, and I'd like to go see R-rated films (I am 17, but have no driver's license) and to watch "The Matrix" on home video. I have seen violant films since I was 10 and they have not warped me. If anything, they have done just the opposite. It's like making someone immune to a virus by exposing their body to it. It isn't violant films that make people shoot other people, it is warped minds.
Censorship is a joke. But alas, it isn't a very funny one.
Entity - [cotleur@ix.netcom.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 01:59:44 AM
IP: ely-oh3-34.ix.netcom.com
**No RP tonight.**
Strange bit> The Disney Channel showed, of all movies, Beetlejuice, tonight. Mostly uncut, too. They left in stuff I was *sure* they wouldn't allow. Maybe they're having a bit of a change of heart about such things...?
Pistoff> Thin-pan? DANG. Such customers teach us an essential lesson: People CAN be that stupid. :) Although...perhaps you could derive a twisted sort of inspiration from these customers, by realizing just how superior you are to them. ^_^
Scott Iskow> <<Who do you think would win in a fight: Oberon or the Space Spawn?>> Well...that depends. One-on-one fight, or all-out war? I do believe an armada of starships orbitally bombarding Oberon's palace would be cause for concern. I doubt even a Fey could survive a direct hit from a turbolaser.
Aris> <<Have you never joked about Star Trek's redshirts?>> This reminds me...who in Starfleet was STUNNINGLY IGNORANT enough to change Command's color from gold to red? This is like...like jogging in an episode of Gargoyles, or...or...something else I can't remember. :} <sigh> And don't get me started on the movie-era uniforms. They were snazzy, sure, but they were ALL RED. EVERY SINGLE OFFICER IN STARFLEET was a target for the swift shears of Atropos. (I think that's her name; one of the Greek fates that cut the life-threads of mortals.) Now, what do you think *that* did to recruitment?
Mandolin> Er...ant invasion?! AACCKK. For ant invasions, I suggest the use of a flamethrower until the Orkin guy/gal can arrive.
Jenniren> <<Clearly Jar Jar is even more evil than I had previously imagined.>> You don't know the half of it, friend; the site at my name link is *eerily* plausible...
Trey Oaks> Welcome! Allow Robby (or whoever does it now) to confiscate your sanity, and--um, we've officially disowned The Goliath Chronicles.
Aaron> <<Shame on you! Alive.>> Ah. Well, I figured since it was a hearse...<g>
The size of Avalon> I never really thought about it...perhaps it's about half as big as Britain? For some reason that figure just popped into my head. Of course, maybe it's whatever size it's current ruler wants it to be...
Tim P.> <<He was only suspended for three days and the next year he was assigned to the locker next to me.>> Err...what? <grr> I would have sued the faculty and the idiot's family unless he were expelled, then issued a restraining order against him. Failing that, the guy would have met with an unfortunate accident involving a cement mixer. Or a steamroller. Or a combine.
Ash> <<I wonder, with all of the gargoyles living on Avalon whether or not they might be soon be interbred with the third race.>> Interesting...maybe that answers Jenniren's (?) question of what the gargoyles do all the time on Avalon. <grins innocently>
JEB> Wow...a fan-created Tobin's Spirit Guide? Hm...I hope you find it again; that might be an interesting contribution to the Ghostbusters fandom. :)
Entity> <<I compare TPM to Star Trek: First Contact in a lot of ways -- both ruined their respective franchises.>> Really? I rather liked First Contact...
$Robby> <<Within twenty minutes the group is ready to go, and on one of Jim's helicopters. It heads towards SJ's location at a pretty spiffy speed>> It must be a fairly interesting helicopter if it can reach a space station. ;)$
Coyote> If I were contemplating suicide, that song would probably drive me right over the edge. <shudder> Oh, and I'm very glad your grandmother is doing so well. :)
Kitainia> Congratulations on getting a raise. Most companies aren't even *that* generous. :) <<I wonder if any writers would be interested in rewriting movies with gargs involved, I would be very interested to read those fics.>> Didja read the Lion King rewrite at the GFW? :)
Stephen> <<Recently it was revealed that Warner Bros. will not release "The Matrix" on general distribution VHS. They feel it's violent scenes will be too much for under-17 people, so the only way you can see that film is either rental copies, or to have it on DVD.>> I heard about that quite a long time ago. I didn't think much of it one way or the other, since I have a DVD-ROM drive and I'll probably never see that movie anyhow, but I can see why this decision would be so poorly recieved.
SJ> <<Oberon vs. the Star Wars aliens: Hmm....Wookies would give him a problem, I would think....Trandoshans could be tricky as well.....Gungans? Hell, they'd be jello in five seconds. Still, Obie Ron Kenobi wins.>> Heh...there's a race in the Star Wars universe called the Shi'ido, who can use a form of telepathy to make observers think that they're *anyone*. One of these could sneak into the Palace and impale Oberon on an iron pike and then take his place without anyone ever realizing he was gone (until the assassin tried to cast a spell, of course). >:)
TRC> Welcome back! :D
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 01:51:57 AM
IP: tnt-3-177-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Greetings and salutations .
Well folks , here I am , I was absent for the past couple of weeks because of my job down on the port , I did'nt get a chance to go too deep into the past three weeks so forgive me where appropriate . I was not a human pack mule , I spent my time updating text and pictures for manuals , a tedious , repetitive , monotonous dreary , mind numbing task . But it put my US120$ closer to the possibility of attending the gathering , so it was worth it . I made more than that but it looks like I'm going to have to donate a third of my total earning into fixing the dent I put in my sis-in-law's car a year ago I'm trying to weasel my way out of that one though by doing some manual labour to make up for some of it .
Last Action Hero - I liked the show too . I just do'nt consider it a show to be seen at the movies , cable or rental only . But I did love alot of the scenes like the lethal cranial perferation by the detonation propelled ice cream cone . But my favourite scene was when Slater slapped the villain on the wrist for blowing up his ex-wife's house .
Family Reunions - Does no one else here approve of family reunions ? When I find out that I'm going to a reunion of any kind (of the Aitcheson clan at least , I've never been to a large Cooke reunion) I jump for joy it means that I'll be able to see familiar faces who I have'nt seen for years and get to bond as well as just do basic things together , be it bike riding , swimming , arguing (I get a hell of alot of that done) , eating or even just pulling out deck of cards and playing a round of poker . I get to see all my cousins , aunts , uncles and other further relations all at once and great fun is had by all . Maybe it has something to do with the fact that all my family has left for greener pastures in Toronto , Kitchener , Florida , Miami and basically across the globe (god**** you Michael Manley ), so it's a rare and treasured event when I get to hang with people I love and who love me (in RL I mean). I feel sorry for those who've never experienced this but I'm sure if you do'nt get it there you get it elsewhere .
**SPOILER FOR LATEST EP**
All I have to say about that engagement is "IT'S 'BOUT D**** TIME ." I loved the way the whole story came together and I was'nt the least bit bothered by the interwoven plot threads . I really liked the pictures (though it looked to me like Elisa was bare chested in that shot where she was hugging Goliath) and finally finding out what happened at the halloween party , it was worth the wait and suspense . I nearly choked myself on a few of the lines in there . It really brought up some topics with serious potential for next season . I'm particular interested in Arthur the fugitive and the Gargoyle gathering . Though the location kinda caught me off guard . Loved it and nuff said .
**END SPOILERS**
Poll -
FAVORITE WRITER : The entire TGS staff (yes I am sucking up but it is true), Christine and the author of "I'm Sorry" lead the pack .
FAVORITE ARTIST : Spike , Raptor woman , Aime Major .
FAVORITE CYCLE : If you mean what I think , then Coming of Age from dark ages . Why you ask , Asrial beat Atalanta to a bloody pulp , I need no other reason .
FAVORITE INDIVIDUAL STORY : Almost perfect .
FAVORITE INDIVIDUAL ILLUSTRATION : Sorry , too many .
FAVORITE MALE CHARACTER : Lex / Goliath .
FAVORITE FEMALE CHARACTER : Asrial .
FAVORITE VILLAIN : Thailog and Harthoth (I'm a sucker for the reluctant villain schtik , even if he does it so well) .
To those who've made it back after a period of absence . Hope you enjoyed yourself and I'm glad you've made it back safely .
Appropriate salutations to those of you who have had a significant event occur in your lives since my departure . (look's over last sentence) That sounds way too mechanical and cold . HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY / ANNIVERSERY and I hope you have many more .
Coyote : Sorry to hear about you're Grandma . I hope she recovers completely .
To those who welcomed me back , (oh alright , and to those who did'nt too) Thanks and it's nice to be among friends , despite the unrest .
Pistoff/Xanathar : This hearse strikes me as a "smelted in the flames of hell" kind of vehicle . Did you remember the studs and / or chains on the wheels . Should be interesting when you finally run him over . Kinda sorry I missed how this grand romp started .
Fanfics roots : I actually got into the whole thing via TGS . I caught the show on USA first and then when I really got into it I looked it up and found S8 , lurked there a bit , then found TGS , thus began a three week long literary orgy of sorts the likes of which I look forward to experiencing again . Even though it shaved a good three years off of my period for good eye sight .
Traveller : I was wondering what happened to you . Barely a peep for over a month and when you come back you do'nt even treat us to a standard length post . For shame . :-) I also just took that test , I got a 145 so I'm happy . Course I got my report card for last term today . And since I told Mommy what the test suggested I had a lot of trouble explaining it . Maybe it's not so reliable .
Zath : EIGHT?!?!?!?!?! , Man , you have my sympathy .
SJ : You got my e-mail a month after I sent it ? I might as well have sent it airmail , it would've reached you faster .
What kind of puppetmaster would you like to be ? The old guy with the animate puppets which go around butchering you're enemies ? Or one of those little parasites that hook on to your back and ensnare your spinal cord ?
Have you eer conidered that it might be easier to genetically alter a large number of people with a retro virus carrying the desired genes ?
I think there was something about bumper stickers . How's this ne grab you ? Picture if you will a head shot of the grim reaper with an expression of dare on his features , with his scythe off to the left and above his head , and "Come closer . It's been a slow day ." I drew this one at work with another of Thersites having trouble getting out of his egg . I'll make them available once they're scanned for anyone who'd like to see .
Later folks .
Rolling Calf - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 12:29:43 AM
IP: 208.244.41.216
***BEGIN RP*****
In the medical ward of the Avatar of Ganon....
After hanging up the phone from calling Jim, SJ searched out and grabbed hold of one of the medical drones. "How are my friends? The ones I brought in here?" he asked nervously.
"Your animals seem to be doing quite well," the drone said. "Remarkably, although Sable suffered heavy bullet damage, none of her vital areas were injured. Drake's case was a bit more severe; he suffered a punctured lung and heavy blood loss as a result of his stab wound. However, both of them have responded well to treatment, and are recovering nicely. It will take a bit of time, but both should return to full health before too long."
SJ smiled a little. "Yeah....I made sure to build them pretty tough. We've been through some pretty rough spots together, them and me." His face became grave. "How...how is she?"
"She suffered heavy blaster fire to her chest cavity. To be perfectly honest, she should have died immediately. However, her energy readings are extraordinarily high..."
"That's because she's the avatar to the goddess of Athena."
"Hmm...yes. That is what probably kept her alive. She is in very serious condition. We are doing what we can for her, but the next few hours are critical."
"May.....may I see her?"
"Certainly. She's in the ICU."
SJ slowly made his way to the Intensive Care unit, his insides twisting upon themselves. Even though he was a scientist and had seen his fair share of medical training, he did not terribly enjoy hospitals....they always reminded him of sickness and death. He entered Kari's room with some reluctance.
Kari was laying unconscious on a medical bed. Tubes ran into and out of her, as sophisticated alien technology monitored her progress. He came to stand beside her, and took her hand in his. "This is my fault," he muttered to himself. "My fault...." A single tear fell from his cheek to the floor below.
*****END RP*****
JackaL: Bro.....I don't know what you're going through right now. I wish I did.....I also wish I was there with you, maybe I could help. What I *do* know, is that you can't give up. I know it's hard, but you have to keep fighting, if not for yourself, than for your kids, and yeah, for us. Cause I don't want to see anything happen to you, and nobody else in here does either. We all love ya, no matter what. You're clan. And we're always gonna be here for you.
If you want to, drop me an email. I'm always there to hear you out, and I'm willing to give you any help you need.
Coyote: Well, at least you have a very happy ending!!! I'm glad to hear that your grandmother is home and doing well. Call it prayers, call it "good vibes", call it what you will--I'm just glad she's doing better and things can maybe go back to normal for you. I know how crazy things can get when a loved one is ill, and I'm happy to see things turn out well for you, your grandma, and your whole family. :)
Paul: Dude, no offense, but grow a little thicker skin. As someone else said, you have to be able to laugh at yourself. I don't understand where you're coming from with this whole "Traveler making fun of human suffering" mumbo jumbo. The way I see it, Traveler was parodying the whole fantasy RP genre of video games, which, c'mon, you have to admitt, can get overly melodramatic, regardless of the depth of their characterization or development. If Traveler specifically targeted Xenogears, it could be because at times, you do seem to be a bit obsessed with it. Learn to take a good ribbing every now and again.
Matrix Banned: Probably the biggest example of a select few individuals who think they know everything, making decisions for the majority of the public without their consent. Matrix was a damn great movie, probably among the top 5 best of the year. However, cause it has guns and trenchcoats in it, it's evil. Screw the jackasses that banned it.
Oberon Vs. Space Spawn: This depends upon what exactly the space spawn look like....howzabout we do a battle royale of matches involving Oberon vs. various space aliens??? (I'm bored, might as well eat up some space. ;)
1. Oberon vs. the Aliens: Hmm.....Aliens have wicked jaws, bleed acid, and reproduce by implanting their eggs in living hosts......then again, Oberon is essentially a god....Oberon wins.
2. Oberon vs. the Predator aliens: Actually a pretty interesting fight....I'd see Oberon turning the Avalon clan loose on the Preds, with the Clan sustaining heavy losses (cause frankly, Preds kick ass!!!)....but in the end, unless them aliens are packing a hell of a lot of iron, Oberon still wins!
3. Oberon vs. the Star Wars aliens: Hmm....Wookies would give him a problem, I would think....Trandoshans could be tricky as well.....Gungans? Hell, they'd be jello in five seconds. Still, Obie Ron Kenobi wins.
4. Oberon vs. the Klingon Empire: Noble warrior race, fighting to the death with the Lord of the Seelie! I actually, for some reason, think that the Klingons could give Oberon a hell of a fight, just cause they're such persistent badass bastards :). Still, eventually Oberon would get tired of them and wipe them out. Sorry Skippy. ;)
Finally....the main event.....
5. Oberon vs. Superman!!!!! Forget fighting the Hulk, or Darkseid, or Doomsday, this is the Clash of the Titans! This is truly a battle that could rip Avalon--and all of earth--asunder. Supes, I would think, would get the early advantage, based upon the arrogance of Oberon, who would no doubt discount Supes as nothing more than an undy-wearing human. Once he realized Clark meant business, he'd start fighting the best way he knows how--dirty. Now Supes has a well publicized weakness to magic, so get ready to see his butt get kicked a little while. ["Kneel, Son of Jor-El! Kneel before Zod!!!"] Eventually, I think Clark, smarty-pants that he is, would figure out Oberon isn't too keen on iron. After that, I'm sure Clark could whip up something impressive, like maybe some iron boxing gloves or something. Honestly, while I think Oberon is powerful enough to give Supes a run for his money, I don't think he can beat the Man of Steel. However, I don't think Supes is good enough to stop Oberon. Thus, the result? A draw.
In my own twisted way, though, I'd like to see Supes vs. Mr. Myzxptlyck (I won't even try to spell it right) and PUCK. Metropolis would never be the same!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, August 4, 1999 12:09:14 AM
IP: 207-172-52-25.s25.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
GREG BISHANSKY - Actually, it's been recently, since the Columbine Shooting, that congress and Prez Bubba Clinton have been pushing the entertainment and movie industries to try to limit access to R-rated material, so that under 17 year olds don't get exposed to "objectionable" material (gore, violence, sex, etc.). So, one of the things they have been asking is that movie theaters, video stores and retailers start ID checks on teenagers, so that they don't get their hands on video or DVD's that are R-rated, or get into see movies rated similarly.
Personally, and this is not a crack on any of the younger people in here, I applaud such actions to an extent. There are just some subject matters in movies, and movies in general that should not be viewed by younger people, until they get older. Now, a lot of teenagers will shout, "But I watch R movies at home! I should be allowed to watch them in a theater!", but there in lies the rub: What you do in your own home is your business. BUT, in a public place, where a theater owner makes his/her own policy, you have no say in the matter. If your local theater cards underage people for R-rated and above, that's their right to do so, and if congress has their way, it will be the law! (I can only hope so.)
Of course, something like this has a bad side. Recently it was revealed that Warner Bros. will not release "The Matrix" on general distribution VHS. They feel it's violent scenes will be too much for under-17 people, so the only way you can see that film is either rental copies, or to have it on DVD. I'm kind of divided on this... I applaud the fact WB is brave enough to take such measures, but I'm miffed because now it limits my options to see this film.
So, you see, this has a double edge to it.
Hope that helps, Greg! :)
Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr.
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:55:05 PM
IP: m175.ieway.com
$ RP Note- That should have been the Devastator's control room, not the Behemoth's. Sorry! $
Kit again
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:50:17 PM
IP: pool-209-138-214-137.dlls.grid.net
**GRAPHIC RP HERE**
The latest bomb from the Ignie Ferroque hits the Devastator's roof right in the middle of the huge Wave Cannon, destroying the incredible weapon before it could even be fired. It also sends the still-shaking Stephanie flying off the ship to land at Gubio and Tricia's feet. "Ouch!" Kitainia's immortal sister groans as the other two Ravens bend down to help her up. "Who was responsible for that, guys? What blithering idiot decided to bomb the Devastator while I was still on top of it?" All eyes flick to Traveler as he grins and takes a bow. "You again?!!" Stephanie shouts, leaping to her feet and waving her sword (which she has somehow still managed to hang onto) in Traveler's face. "Whoa, Steffie!" Traveler screams in terror. "Calm down, wiil ya?!!" Stephanie hisses an obscenity and soon she is chasing Traveler across the field past the piles of dead Borg as the others share a chuckle and bemused sigh before going back to their own fights.
The display switches to inside the Behemoth's control room. While Jess continues her catfight with Two-of-One, and most of the Ravens are wiping out her borg legions with Big Jake's help, Doug and Kitainia are faced with a maniacally laughing Guod. "You two have scattered my plans like butterflies in the wind!" Guod shouts at them. Lathrop points his staff at the Borg leader but is shot down by one of his arm cannons and knocked unconscious. "Now it is time for you to die!" "Guod," Doug snaps, "you knock out my friend and teacher, you threaten me and my lady, you try to assimilate everything and mold the world to your own specifications, and worst of all you're preverting Blade Runner dialogue! I'm gonna kill you just on general principle!" "And I'll help him," Kitainia agrees, shooting her Steamer cannon into Guod's face. The evil Borg clone screams in agony and his two adversaries move in with guns blazing, ready for a battle royal.
**PAUSE RP**
Hi everyone. Something really good happened today. The boss gave me a raise! <whoops> Sure, it's only fifty cents more per hour, but it's still a good thing, right? :) Anyway, it made me feel like posting tonight, so here goes.
Wilek: $ Glad we impressed you. BTW, that was Stephanie's idea, as was the RP bit with Traveler. My sister has a good creativity demon every now and then. <dodges flying fist> $
Paul: Again, my initial reaction to Ghaelon's return was great surprise. His comeback was unexpected. :) Thanks for the continued encouragement on finishing Lunar, we're currently stuck trying to beat Bargon the evil mage. Hope we are soon able to get him, the guy is damn tough! As for Myria's Legacy, we're in the middle of Chapter 11 right now, you'll get a commentary e-mail once we finish 14.
Avalon: I expect it's of pretty fair size, since the fay need a lot of space to run around on. Domains such as Asgard probably border on it somehow, I know in Doug's fanfics at least that Vingard is a part of Avalon (and that was also a home of the gods in Norse mythology, it was supposed to be very close to Asgard). There are probably portals to other dimensions such as Gehenna, Concordance, and Tarterus somewhere on the island. I can only really be sure there are in my SO's ficverse, though. Haven't read too many other fanfics that explore Avalon. I wonder what the island contains (besides the lake, the Hollow Hill, the clan castle and Oberon's Palace) in TGS.
Aaron: Saffron Burrows was in that awful Wing Commander movie earlier this year. Don't know what else she's been in. I think she's a fair actress, and IMO did a good preformance in Deep Blue Sea (though Sam Jackson and LL Cool J were far better).
Zath: My sympathies go out to you. Though I wonder how anyone can have so many wisdom teeth. :) I only had four myself.
Stephen: $ Sorry for the RP mix-up, we'll try our best to avoid those in the future. Oh, and btw, you're spelling the Borg leader's name wrong. It's Guod (Doug backwards since the guy is Doug's evil clone), the u comes before the o. Just thought I'd point this out.
Mary: That is truly a demented invention. :) Wonder if someone could install remote trigger bombs in those inventions to take out all the stupid idiots in this world who only care about boobs and not personality. <jk>
Traveler: Welcome back. I've missed you a lot, and so has Stephanie. :) I too would like a copy of Rustygears, if only because I really like parodies of things I've enjoyed and am sure a Xenogears parody will be no different. Hope you reveal your source for that game very soon.
Dark Ages Season 2: I hope to see all the things Doug mentioned and more. Specifically some more eps with Lord Ravyn (who made an interesting villain), development with the English refugees, and maybe the season finale can do the events in Vows. Also there's one thing I don't want to see- the idiot fox from season 1 coming back again. I never liked that character and thought that unlike previous Gargs comic relief characters (such as Vinnie) he added little to the overall plot.
SOROW: Congrats on finishing DA. I've imagined a few movies with Garg characters. The Postman was the most recent one, I've also seen possible parts for them in The Shadow (anyone else think it would have been cool for Lamont to have had a garg friend?), the original Star Wars trilogy, and Rumble in the Bronx among other films. :) Like Xanathar, I also find myself comparing movie lovers to Goliath and Elisa and/or Xanatos and Fox. I wonder if any writers would be interested in rewriting movies with gargs involved, I would be very interested to read those fics.
SJ: Lucas killed Maul for what reason? <growls and fumes loudly for several minutes> Does that man want us to keep hating him? If not, why does he continue to say things like that in public? <shakes head> He's not only a bastard IMO now, he's a moron! I have lost all respect I once had for him now. It'll take either a profound and sincere apology, a miracle, or a really really good Episode 2 (with no Jarjar) to make me get any of it back. (Note, I feel this way even though I agree with Jenniren about Darth Maul.)
Gunjack: That is a great creativity demon. :)
Jackal: You tried to kill yourself? <sighs, wipes away sudden tears> I am really glad you didn't go through with that, pal. You're a friend to everyone in here, and we'd hate to lose you forever and worse never know what happened to you. Thank goodness you're still with us, hope you'll stick around. If you ever need to vent, we're willing to listen to it. And if you need a shoulder to cry on, ours are waiting for you. Never forget we are your friends. Everything else I could say to you has already been said.
TimP: Congrats on winning what sounds like an excellent fight. :) Also thanks for posting the good advice to James, I'm glad he seems to be listening to it. :)
Coyote: Glad we know for sure about your grandmother now, hope she continues to feel fine.
Note to all Doug's Readers: If you can, please read Voyage and his other already-posted work. My SO is really hoping for some feedback right now, and I want him to get some so he can stop moping in between writing and working before Eruption is posted at the end of the week. Please, everyone, if you have the time and will, send him some feedback. Even criticism will be appreciated! The address is below by my name.
And I believe that's all for now. Good night everybody, see you again soon.
**BACK WITH MORE RP ACTION**
Doug and Kitainia fight Guod bravely and violently, yet for every gun and other weapon implant they manage to blast or rip off him, he has another ready to extend and challenge them with. It seems the battle will never end. "Give it up, fools!" Guod advises them. "You will never ever defeat me!" "Okay, then I will," a strange voice suddenly jumps in. Then OJ Simpson leaps out of the nearby chaos and crashes into Guod, landing on top of him as they both fall to the floor. Doug and Kitainia back up in shock as the crazed killer chops Guod into many pieces with his switchblade and while cackling maniacally like Hannibal Lecter flings them about the control room. "Heh, touchdown!" OJ finally shouts in triumph, leaping off the fluid-soaked remains of Guod's torso as Doug and Kit try to keep themselves from throwing up. "Uh, good job, OJ!" Doug cheers sheepishly. "Thanks for helping us out." "No problem, friends!" OJ smiles. "The cat did tell me to assist you. If you'll excuse me, I have to go find that guy's real killer now!"
He turns to walk off, but is stopped by a large gavel hitting him in the face. OJ is knocked back to the floor and gasps as he gets up. "Judge Ito?" "Correct," the Borgified Ito shouts, stepping forward and raising his gavel to attack OJ again. "It's time to give you your sentence!" "The Jap's right, darkie," Borg-Mark Fuhrman chuckles as he steps to flank Ito with pistol drawn. "We shall correct your jury's mistake," adds Borg Marcia Clark, standing on Ito's other flank and looking very angry. "Uh, guys," OJ stammers. "Can we talk about..." "OJ!" a voice yells from behind him. The killer turns to see Borg versions of his former lawyers F. Lee Bailey, Robert Shapiro, and Johnnie Cochran advancing on him, a moronically grinning Borg Kato Kaelin just behind them. "My friends!" OJ shouts. "You've come to assist me!" "Wrong, OJ," Cochran sighs, pointing a heavy ray gun at his former client. "We're here to collect the fees you still owe us." "Uh, guys..." Doug and Kit look at each other, wondering if they should help him. Kit's expressions shows that she thinks they should and Doug agrees. But before they can rush in to aid OJ, a disembodied hand grabs each of their legs and pushes them down with incredible force. "It's not over yet, Ravens!" Guod's head chuckles as his independently moving scattered parts all move in to attack Doug and Kitainia. "It will never be over!"
**ONCE AGAIN, RP WILL BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:49:16 PM
IP: pool-209-138-214-137.dlls.grid.net
I finished Dark Ages! YYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAA.......
Aaron> Great.
Xanathar> Very interesting. I just watched The Last of the Mohicans (I LOVE that movie!) and tried picturing that as gargs. There is a lot of death, so I went into another fit of sobbing. Everything is sadder the garg way! And now I have that movie's theme song stuck in my head! Grrrrr...
Coyote> That's wonderful news about your grandmother! I knew everything would be alright :) KISS!
Jackal> I don't think I've ever written anything to you before, but you've been here for as long as I remember. So this cannot be unsaid or ignored... We all love you very much. You make a very special (and happily twisted ;) part of this room. If you left us, what would that do to those who love you? This reminds me of Dylan Blacquiere's fic called "Immortal Beloved" where Brooklyn tries to commit suicide. He is convinced that the people who love him NEED him, and that he's a very special part of the clan. This is true with you and us! We love you, and DO NOT leave us! We're clan! We'll always listen! KISS!
Lots of kisses tonight! WHEW... I'm off to bed. OKIloveyoubyebye!
SOROW
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:11:30 PM
IP: usr12-dialup122.mix1.irving.cw.net
**re-enters, sitting down in the big chair**
**sigh** Haven't done stock in a while ... wore me out. :P
Status: She's been released from the hospital and is now comfortably settled in with my uncle. They have all the facilities set up for her now, and from what I understand she's in rare form now. So I know for *sure* that she's feeling better. :)
JackaL: Oh man, don't be doin' this to us! Come on, life is much better than *that,* it has to be. Hmm ... Mr. DJ, if you could, please find me a midi for our friend JackaL, a song which always tends to make *me* feel better when I'm *that* depressed, mainly because it gives me an excuse to scream aloud: "Life is a Lemon (And I Want My Money Back)." And here's the best part for ya, JackaL, if he finds it, sing along. (it's the bridge):
"What about love? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's always breakin' in half.
What about sex? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's never built to really last.
What about your family? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
All the batteries are shot.
What about your friends? (THEY'RE DEFECTIVE!)
All the parts are out of stock.
What about hope? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's corroded and decayed.
What about faith? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's tattered and it's frayed.
What about your gods? (THEY'RE DEFECTIVE!)
They forgot the warranty.
What about your town? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's a dead end street to me.
What about your school? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's a pack of useless lies.
What about your work? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's a crock and then you die.
What about your childhood? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
It's dead and buried in the past!
What about your future? (IT'S DEFECTIVE!)
AND YOU CAN SHOVE IT UP YOUR @$$!!!"
It's just the adrenaline rush from screaming the lines that makes me feel much better. I *love* singin' along to this 'un during rush hour. :)
Paul: Hey man, take it easy ... you're starting to sound like Coolio telling off Weird Al. Parody is a wonderful thing, and besides that, I'm very sure that Traveler has some sense of human suffering. In fact, most comedians do. As that magnificent philosopher Brent Spiner once said, "If it don't hurt, it ain't funny."
I mean, I myself am willing to laugh at things that I would normally take seriously. Why else would I actively search out people to MSTie my fics (as Mara Cordova and Cyrway are going to do, and hopefully Mandi if she ever takes me up on the offer)? If I can't laugh, then you may as well kill me.
Hell, other people who you might think would be super sensitive about their work aren't as serious about them as you think ... witness Meat Loaf basically parodying himself in "Spice World" and the South Park "Chef Aid" album. In fact, here's my favorite bit from his track:
Chef: "Here, have a taco."
ML: "Oh, great, a taco, I could go for a taco ..." (munch munch)
Chef: "Now Meat, take it easy. This song's about Meredith Baxter Birney, not a splinter of wood in your eye."
Of course, this is after Meat Loaf wrecked the mood of one of Chef's typical slow, sexy ballads with something that sounded like a mutated version of "Bat Out of Hell."
Where was I? Oh yeah, the point. Lighten up!!
Trey Oaks: Welcome.
Kyryn, re: weird tranny on the Saturn: Heh, the Saturn happens to be the only car whose automatic transmission *doesn't* need to be opened up to change the filter (it's a spin-on similar to an oil filter, but a lot smaller; most automatics, you have to drop the pan and physically remove the filter from the bottom of the tranny.). They do a lot of strange things on their cars, anyway ...
Jenniren: Didn't work for me. Oh poo.
JEB: Great update on yer site. :)
And oh look, it's late. Time to end this post.
**sits back in the chair, nearly fixating on the two remaining candles' flames, before succumbing to sleep**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 10:48:44 PM
IP: modem22.i-is.com
David G>> Get any writing done today? Sent an email w/ a sample of my own, let me know what you think, thanks
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 10:23:03 PM
IP: 207.14.200.169
Jackal> I'm not sure what to say, except that I hope you continue to choose living, it does suck a lot of the time, but I do find it preferable to the alternative...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 10:16:37 PM
IP: uv1-48.ultravision.net
Tim P- Reminds me of the Gargs/Mighty Ducks crossover I did briefly in here some months back... The end result being they slapped Owen's alter ego around the court.
George Lucas- He killed Dath Maul BECAUSE HE KNEW THE FANS WOULD WANT HIM BACK? This confirms it, Lucas is a certafiable mook. Whats worse is, he hasn't seemed to notice how many people really dislike Jar Jar...
Galvatron- I saw that report while waiting for Conan O Brian the other night... I thought it was pretty stupid myself. Yes, I can sympathize with the handicapped, but their getting ticked off because villains often have handicaps... Eeesh. Generally the disability is not an actual disability, and more often that not, it reflects their own twistedness.
Paul- Calm down a bit. You like Xenogears. We know that. But not all of us like it as much as you do. (Heck, a lot of us haven't even had the opportunity to play it.) Don't go off bashing Traveler for it. If he had said something along the lines of YOU were stupid for playing the game, it would be another matter entirely.
By the way, you ever play a Playstation game called "Unholy War"? Fun stuff, despite the title.
Jeb- I know I woulda been better of having seen the first two sasons of Transformers before the movie, but I haven't much choice in the matter do I? Ah well..
Also, the Infinity Gems series WAS a Marvel series, but shortly before the Ninja Turtle comic ended they had a one page preview of a five parter titled "The Infinity War". The picture showed Shredder with a fairly well defeated future Donatello. It looked promising. Instead the next issue had a young baby turtle flashback. Guess they found out they were getting cancelled and had to scrap their plans.
Aaron- I'm supposed to remind you to do something or another...
Jenniren- Avalon like Dr. Who's Tardis? Hmm... Even more interesting idea... Dr. Who meets Xanatos... It's the steel clan version of K-9! Or Xanatos starts playing the role of the Master! hmm...
Warpmind- Actually, the first Neverending story was pretty good, taking almost directly from the book, and it had good special effects for the time.
Greg Bishansky- Unicron was beaten far too easily. Considering that in his planet form he DEVOURED planets and was able to harm Megatron/Galvatron from long distance. While his transformation was impressive, he apparently lost a lot of power doing it. His eyes both got blown out and explosions started doing damage. Early in the movie, nothing could touch him. AH well...
Entity- Star Trek 8 had what was expected of it- humor, the old characters, and a major enemy. Its not that any of the Next Gen films have been bad perse, as much as its been, they've merely been two part episodes of the show. That, and they've been coming out every two years... Give them a five year rest period with no new episodes of any given series coming out, and they'll start to get better agian probably.
**RP HERE**
Jim Iza Noying, Steve Irwin the Crocadile Hunter, a Sandshrew Pokemon, and Tina the wererat are STILL off on a tropical resort, out of danger, when Jim gets a telephone call.
"Hello?"
"Jim, this is SJ. You uh... Need to come here."
Jim's eyes light up with excitement. "Is there danger? Do you need backup? Do I need to bring my army of giant anime-style mecha?"
"Um, thats not it at all... Your sister Kari has been hurt..."
Within twenty minutes the group is ready to go, and on one of Jim's helicopters. It heads towards SJ's location at a pretty spiffy speed, when suddenly, the engine sparks.
"What the? But this is brand new!"
A sinister chuckle emits from no where, and Jim begins to recognize a voice.
"Hello Jim Iza Noying. This is Connection Denied, Dis Connect's evil twin?"
"But DC was already evil... So shouldn't you be his good twin?"
"No, DC is only somewhat annoying. I'm evil. Anyhow, I'm taking control of your helicopter from up here on the Death Star Two, and I just wanted you to know, you're about to die."
Robby
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 07:29:42 PM
IP: spider-we062.proxy.aol.com
Jackel, I absolutly forbid you to ever do something so stupid again. Your son needs you. Not a memory. YOU!!! You are a part of this clan and we will listen if you want someone to talk to. We all have problems. Some of us are very upfront and others try to hide them, while some never mention them. If you must, you know who you can drop a note to in order to get a listening ear. Remember, you are important to us, if you leave in that manner we will all be deminished. «««HUGS»»»
Kyryn I have an alt key on my wireless keyboard. Push shift, alt and the key you want to change. If it's on the key board it will apprear. !¡ ?¿ €€€ŽŽ‰‰‰ ‰¤£ßßðƒ©®ªµº k-†l-¬÷÷÷÷///÷/÷²²²²²••••**±±±±±
Kind of fun. Not all the keys seem to be logical the K‡ k† has two different alts depending on whether you push shift or not.
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Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 06:44:30 PM
IP: proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net
I'm please to see the Goliath/Elisa relationship move forward. It's long overdue.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 06:44:02 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp19.fltg.net
SCOTT ISKOW - Just one problem with that question of yours; we can't tell whether Oberon would be able to defeat the Space-Spawn or not as yet because we know almost nothing about the Space-Spawn, what sort of weapons they have, what their strengths and weaknesses are, etc. Until we get that sort of information, they're an unknown quantity and it's anybody's guess as to who would be the stronger therefore. Now, if we were pitting Oberon against a known quantity - say, Superman, following somebody's Death Match suggestion from last year - then we'd have a better idea of how to answer that question.
AVALON - I think that Asgard, at least, is a separate place from Avalon, judging from the end of "Eye of the Storm" (where we see Odin riding off across a rainbow that must be Bifrost). Mt. Olympus perhaps as well, since it is a real place in northern Greece - some Children of Oberon or very early New Olympians (before they retreated from human contact) could have lived there.
As for what the Avalon gargoyles do - well, I'm sure that they must have developed hobbies and interests during the time before the Archmage launched his attack. (I've sometimes wondered, for that matter, what the New Olympian gargoyles do. The only troublemaker on the island is Proteus, who spends most of his time in prison, and the island had remained inviolate until the Avalon World Tour brought Goliath, Elisa, and co. there. So there can't be that much crime to deal with).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 06:43:09 PM
IP: 205-242-93-5.dialup-stl.primary.net
Entity> First Contact ruined the franchise? I thought it was one of the better ones, myself. I thought Patrick Stewart got robbed at the Oscars.
But that's just me.
Later.
Aaron wanders off, singing Garbage's "Paranoid"
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 06:10:29 PM
IP: ppp-18.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
Entity> Since when do you need proof of age to see an R rated movie? I've been going to R rated movies by myself since I was 11.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 06:00:24 PM
IP: spider-wb072.proxy.aol.com
JackaL-- I don't know you personally, but I do hope things get better for you.
Jenna
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 05:49:44 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Lucas> I have lost all respect for him. In a way, I kind of feel for the man... I mean, all these years he's been waiting to bring back Star Wars to what we thought would be an accepting audience, and he's being torn down instead and met with criticism. But on the other hand, what he did with The Phantom Menace was genuine crap -- sorry if that offends anybody. I compare TPM to Star Trek: First Contact in a lot of ways -- both ruined their respective franchises. But First Contact I've been able to vent about... TPM has simply left me with an empty feeling... I'd rather just not think about it. Waited for Ep 1 since I was five. Now, I totally do not care if Eps 2 or 3 even get made. Its been that kind of 180-degree turnaround.
Blair Witch> I looked in the paper, and lo and behold, it *is* playing in a theatre near me. That's only the first step, though.... I presume the film is rated R? And I don't have proof of age. *mumble*
Galvatron> You're saying that disabled people have been offended by the portrayel of villains as disabled? Give me a break!
Tim P> The fact that you felt the need to put a disclaimer at the end of your pep talk is mildly disturbing. IMO, we need some stronger good samaritan laws in this country.
James> Don't let yourself fall victim to social conditioning.
JackaL> Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary state of mind. Whatever you feel when you consider taking your life, that will not last forever. Suicide, on the other hand, will. And you don't want to leave your son fatherless.
And think of those poor traumatized hospital staff. :)
Entity
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 05:38:49 PM
IP: ely-oh3-18.ix.netcom.com
JEB--Sent you an em! :)
Jenna
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 05:02:09 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
You know, after I thought about what I posted about gargoyles and fae offspring I had a flash in my of a gargoyle that looked like both Goliath and the TGS Unseelie Morrigan. It was pretty freaky...
Ash
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:59:53 PM
IP: yktnsk01d01040122.sk.sympatico.ca
Hey all! I had a nice weekend, saw "Inspector Gadget" (see below for review). My co-workers took me and some others out to lunch today at a great Italian place called the Macaroni Grill, since we leave in two weeks. Nice of them, I thought. :)
I also updated my website, for those who didn't get my mail. Check it out. :)
*SPOILERS FOR "Inspector Gadget"*
Not a classic of film, but still a good, fun movie all the same. :) Some great lines and in-jokes, and the villains and henchmen were fun. There were also some great special effects. :) I was pleased that some of the lamer scenes from the preview were converted into dream snippets in the final film, but their appearance as those snippets did seem a
bit odd. Overall, nice film, give it a 8.5 out of 10. :)
*SPOILERS END*
Steve Gooch> Ouch! :/ Sucks about your computer... hope you catch the jerk. >:[
Coyote> Glad your grandmother has made such marked improvement. :)
James Birdsong> I would say something to you, sir, but you have already been chastised sufficiently by the other members of this room.
Zath> EIGHT teeth? Yowsa. O_O
Starsinger> May I say, it's good to see you posting frequently again. :)
TRC> Welcome back!
Jackal> WB, was wondering where you'd gone. <:) You tried to commit suicide? Not the way to go, man... like Wilek says, if you need to talk to someone about your problems, we're all here.
Robby> Thanks for the TMNTA/DBZ info. I thought the Infinity War one of Marvel's big summer crossovers...?
Transformers the Movie, BTW, is really helped if you've seen the first two seasons of the original series.
Spike> Like the comic. Very cool. :)
Mary Flanders> <<As you can see, my mother does not like Buffy and finds it to be very strange. [snip] And then after she stopped laughing a bit, I flipped my mother the bird (which I do quite often when my mother makes a sarcastic joke about me) and I felt much better! >:)>> *grins* Good for you! ;)
<<The Velcro Breast.>> o_O O_o O_O o_o
David G.> I eagerly await your website. :)
Wilek> Thanks for the mention! :) And very cool linking site, thanks fer showing it to us! :D
Demona May> Hm... maybe you should just download the version on the web? I could zip them up and post them on my site for download...
Gunjack> I read Avalon Mists back in late '95 and '96, but the fanfics didn't make much of an impact on me then. (Still thought it was a kewl 'zine, tho. :) I started reading individual fanfics in early '97- they're what mostly changed me from being just someone who likes the show into a part of the fandom. I found the GFW on Yahoo, like most people, and me and my mom decided to check out the stories there. I was
enthralled by the works of Merlin Missy, Scott Mercure, Leva Mevis, A Fan, Constance Cochran, Dylan Blacquiere, and later (I was wary of reading more adult stuff until then <:) Ryan Stout, Jewel Faulkner, and Christine Morgan. By the time I was actually part of the fandom in May '97, I had read most of the authors in the archive, and had a ton of fave writers, some of which I by then knew as friends. :)
Pistoff and Xanathar> You two are having WAY too much fun in the Ricky Martin RP. ;)
Aaron> <<I always wanted a copy of Tobin's Spirit Guide, that book Egon was always quoting.>> Wanna know something freaky? When I was about 7 or 8, I WROTE a Tobin's Spirit Guide for myself on my Dad's TRS-80 computer. Wish I knew where it got to...
Traveler> Huh? What? Oh, that old forward? I think Stormy (the one who entitled it that) was just trying to get me in trouble. ;) It's just a 'get-to-know-you-better' thing, yes.
Ah well. Seeya!
JEB - [JEb215@aol.com]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:58:23 PM
IP: 98afe90b.ipt.aol.com
David G-- about the fae empire idea-- oooo! I like it! :)
jENNA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:53:14 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Ash> That's right, summer. Thanks. I remembered that there were no seasons on Avalon, but I couldn't remember what the weather was like. Based on the pictures, I would have guessed late spring to summer, but I didn't want to commit myself without knowing for sure.
In the model I used, that would put Avalon at the pole of Summer, evenly devided between Day and Night. Another option I kind of like is that all the mythical countries (or at least a lot of them) are 'real' in the Fey lands. Thus, Olympus is out there somewhere, as is Asgard, with Avalon as the capital of an empire.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:47:54 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3
I wonder, with all of the gargoyles living on Avalon whether or not they might be soon be interbred with the third race. It might be interesting to see what the succeeding generations of Avalon gargoyles become with the influx of magical genes.
Ash
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:39:40 PM
IP: yktnsk01d01040122.sk.sympatico.ca
David G. (Avalon... "we don't know what the weather is like") Angela remarks in "Eye of the Storm" that she had never seen snow or ice before because it was always summer on Avalon.
I think Avalon is an alternate reality that serves as the center for Oberon's court. There may be other realities... and I imagine all the Fae have areas where they won't be bothered by others of their kind. (Maybe Oberon has a sanctuary on one particular moon in our solar system when all the fairies just get too damn annoying ;) )
Ash
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:35:07 PM
IP: yktnsk01d01040122.sk.sympatico.ca
Short and sweet today:
Delphi> got your e-mail. I'll try to get around to a reply tonight, but I haven't been able to write for 2 days, so that's what I'm going to focus on.
Warpmind> according to Terry Prattchet, all libraries are connected in both space and time through something called L-Space, such that a librarian in any library can go to any other library, in any time period, so long as he re-shelves his books right back where he got them. If you ever get lost in the stacks, maybe we'll run into eachother.
James Birdsong> Despite what you think, you can change yourself. In fact, you're the only one who can change you. You have to decide what's important to you, and how much you're willing to sacrifice to get it. Growing into the person you want to be is the hardest thing there is to do, and, ultimately, the only thing worth doing.
Paul> Sometimes you take things too seriously. I don't know if you read this the first time I said it, so I'll say it again. When you take your self so seriously that you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will do it for you. Obviously Xenogears means a lot to you, but try to realize that other people don't have the same emotional attachment you do.
Size of Avalon> I've always kind of figured that there was more to the lands of the Fey than the Isle. One popular view of the faerie realms was that there were four poles of reality: Night vs Day, and Summer vs Winter acting like the points on a compass. Moving toward Summer and Day moves you to a progressivly warmer, brighter land. Moving toward Winter and Night moves you to a colder, darker place.
Perhaps Avalon is the center of all that, with seasons that never change... Or maybe it's just in there somewhere. Day and night are regular, we assume, so it has to be in the middle of the Day and Night poles, but we don't know what the weather is like.
There are other views of the faerie lands, as well, but that one's the most interesting to me at the moment.
What the Avalon Clan does> I'd have to guess that it's not really all that fun to be a Gargoyle on Avalon these days. They're surrounded by vastly powerful, BORED, beings with little regard for mortal lives. Oberon only tolerates them, and probably doesn't reign in his children very much where they're concerned. Titania defends them, but she has her own agenda. If I was a young gargoyle on Avalon, I'd be looking for new vistas.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:28:40 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3
Jackal> Hope you feel better soon.
Robby> I wouldn't say that Unicron was beaten that easily. He demolished most of the Decepticon army. If you see the sequal "Five Faces of Darkness", in it the Decepticons retreated to a burned out planet called Charr, and they were in horrible condition. And Galvatron went insane after the movie.
Anyone who wants to see my custom made figures of Madoc and Maeve, click on my name. The pic was taken by JEB at G99 in the Con Suite.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 03:58:33 PM
IP: spider-ti044.proxy.aol.com
Jackal: Sucks what happeneded, man. I hope things get better.
James Birdsong: While you're not exactly admirable, we don't hate you, not me anyways. I was a loner throughout highschool as well. Depression was a problem. Theripists said that I'd be on Ritalin and anti-depressants for the rest of my life. I proved them wrong by being off both for 3 years. Someone I used to consider my best friend turned on me because I wasn't "cool" anymore, and even threatened me with a knife at school.
Here's the real kicker: He was only suspended for three days and the next year he was assigned to the locker next to me. I complained to the school but they didn't do anything. A few months later,an all out brawl broke out with me victorious and unharmed. An exciting fight, I'm told. We both had some martial arts training, so it was pretty feirce. Me and my parents managed to keep the school from seriously punishing me and even a couple of the teachers said "Good job, Tim." Within a few weeks, this "best friend" dissapeared from the school system almost completly.
I'm not saying you should go on a shooting rampage, but do *something*. As long as it doen't cause any serious trouble.
You want to join the Air Force? Go for it, Man! Give yourself a goal that you can try to acheive. You still have some time to change before you head out. Even if you don't make it, you'll know that you have the capability to work towards something.
I better stop here. I'm starting to sound like one of those ridiculous "inspirational speakers" those go around highschools.
I'd also like to point out that I don't have a degree in psychology or have a permit to practice therapy. This is done out of concern for those in the comment room.
Tim P.
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 03:42:45 PM
IP: s11-onawa.pionet.net
Voting's open for the July MGC Contest: Gargoyles Panel!! Please drop by and place your vote!
Spike
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 03:10:35 PM
IP: pppt17-31.ght.iadfw.net
**Warpmind walks into the CR, flips a switch in the wall, and half a dozen candles light up. Warpmind stares blankly at the light switch, then at his hand. "Que?"**
Jenniren: You know what? I think that IQ test has to be accepted with a liberal handful of salt. Maybe even a bucket. No offense intended to any of you others who received improbably high scores.
**RICKY'S JOYRIDE**
Warpmind sneaks up on Xanathar, Pistoff and Jack, delighting in the display of agony taking place by the hearse. "Uh, guys? Can I have the head, pleeease?" Jack says nothing, just nods and throws the body part over. Warpmind picks the severed head up from the ground, holds it in his palm, and quotes. "Alas, poor Ricky. I never knew him, guys." He then bounces the head a few times and kicks it to some place where the sun don't shine. "Have fun, y'all, and send me some polaroids of the scattered remnants, eh?" Warpmind leaves the deeply engrossed trio to their own business, and returns to his job in the library.
**JOYRIDE ENDED**
Hope I didn't offend anyone just now (Ricky Martin not included. Offending him is mandatory.) but I just had to do that.
Oh, and Jenniren again: About the size(s) of Avalon, it's magic. I think there was a house akin to your idea in "The Neverending Story" (The book, mind you, not the *shudder* film), a building with sentience. The "larger on the inside than the outside"-idea also rings another bell, but I'm shooting blanks here... hmmm... I'm in a library with a fair amount of books... **Goes off to do some research**
Later, guys.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 02:11:09 PM
IP: ti24a01-0030.dialup.online.no
Robby - [Between what we've seen on the show, with Goliath flying around the island in a few hours and Elisa getting to wherever Arthur was and back, Avalon is probably a fairly small island.]
I always imagined Avalon would be kind of like Dr. Who's Tardis. Small when you look at it from the outside, but really big inside. And it could be different sizes depending on which direction you travelled or what method of travel you chose to use. Maybe it would even have hidden pools that could serve as "dimensional portals" to other worlds. So perhaps the Space Spawn could attack Earth by first breaking into Avalon. Wouldn't that just hit Oberon where he lives? (Oops, bad pun)
Kyryn - Make sure your number lock is on, hold down the Alt key, and type 173 on the number pad and look what you get when you release the Alt key ¡
(Oh dear. Looks like the backside of a cat.)
Jenniren
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 02:07:10 PM
IP: user-2ivf86a.dialup.mindspring.com
Aaron wanders in, clutching his head.
Ughhhhhhhhhh. Abstract spatial awareness problems. Ughhhhh.
I didn't like that IQ test, as you might have guessed.
I've had about three hours sleep, and I feel grrrrrreat! Anyway, replies.
Robby> Remind me, and I'll e-mail you directions to SAAS' new meeting place. (Our current one is being remodeled out from under us)
SOROW><<ust started reading The Great Gatsby for school today, and I sure hope it gets better!>> I'm afraid it's not going to get any better.
Gunjack> <<Somebody, PUT THIS IN A FIC!!!>>I might get around to it one of these days, but if anybody else wants a crack at it, (Switches to Mickey Knox voice) I say go for it. (Switches back) If Christine wanted to have a go at Wilek's suggestion, I'd be honored.
Wilek> Shame on you! Alive. Jack and Delilah should, hopefully, be getting together soon. (Vid last scene in Truce) Uh-oh, horrible thought. I hope the reason for Jack's kicking Oberon's smurf-colored butt from one end of Avalon to the other isn't because he did something to Del.
JackaL>Welcome back. Remember, we're here for you. And remember also that if you kill yourself I'll kick your @$$!
Today's sensless question: Does the Magus have a real name, or is he just generically the Magus? Does anyone know if Greg answered this?
Later.
Aaron wanders off, humming "Dog New Tricks" by Garbage.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 01:33:41 PM
IP: ppp-98.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
***Kyryn delurks***
Zath> USC?!! Hey, congrats from a USC alumnus. I hope that you enjoy going to school there. I certainly did.
Iron Giant> Okami and I am really looking forward to seeing this.
Avalon Gargs and Fey> I too have wondered about what the heck they do besides protect, but I haven't been able to come up with any good plotlines yet. You've got to figure that protecting for the whole time is going to be boring. They should at least have some hobbies to keep them busy.
Coyote> Happy hugs! I'm glad to hear that she's doing better. I'll keep the good thoughts flowing.
Starsinger> How'd you get the exclamation points to post upside down?!? That's neat!!
Doug> *l* regarding the new DA stuff. Wait and see...
Jackal> I hope that things get better for you. Hey, when life gets too tough, think of your kids and how much you love them. :)
Car problems> Well, I had a transmission leak appear on the run from Uvalde to Denton. I took it to one place (since Saturn was booked solid on Saturday) and they told me that there was a crack in the tranny. This would be very unusual if it were true, so I took it to Saturn on Monday. Turns out that it was just a loose filter and the way that the leak was dripping and the housing is cast made it appear to be a crack in the housing. (Whew!)After that, I just needed a change of fluid and filter. This is kind of funny since I went through almost the same thing about a year ago with the radiator, when the guys who were going to flush it said that the spigot was cracked. Shrug. Saturns are just built a little different than other cars.
***Kyryn relurks***
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 12:54:12 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86
DEAR,SIR
I writing to you because I love Gargoyles I watch it every night.I am 11 years old and I have an idea for Goliath cronicals ok here it goes.From the hatchlings that were on Avilon when the first one hatched a group of raders some how got on the land of Avilon.So to pretect this gargoyle the Magus put him in a time warp.This gargoyle named Oomnose witch was a magicale word at that time he looked like Goliath and Brookland and had the coloring of Demona he was a mix like Golith.He had just came out of the warp as old as Angela but when Angla saw him she knew who he was becaus she had seen him before in her dreams.That is all that have thought of so far so plese e-mail me telling me what you think.
Your fan,
Trey
TREY OAKS - [FRODO5493@AOL.COM]
BATESVILLE, IN, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:55:31 AM
IP: spider-wi014.proxy.aol.com
**enters the room, switching out the candles**
Heh ... two quick replies before I work, and they're car-related anyway ... ;)
Pistoff: I've seen that hearse site before ... they have a '78 limo there that I've been tempted by, mainly because its parts are compatible with my '79 and I could use a good commercial-grade brake system. ;) But they also have that '47 hearse chassis there ... one *could* turn that into one *hell* of a dragster. :)
Mandi: **strokes chin while reading description of car problem** New battery? Check the alternator, because *something's* draining it, and that's the most likely candidate ... if the alternator isn't putting out any power, more than likely the car's being forced to run entirely off the battery, something that normal car batteries just ain't designed to handle (they're only designed to be used to run the starter, the lights, and the radio at max, unless it's a deep-cycle marine battery). What kind of car is it? I know there are certain models that have very weird alternator tendencies (and most of them are Fords ... '86-'91 Tempo/Topaz models tend to have alternators light on fire, and '92-'94 Escort/Tracer models had some put out with loose brushes in the alternator ... a simple fix if you're mechanically inclined and can put the alternator back together without breaking anything, but if you can't it's a $200 alternator. :P)
**skitters out the door to go to work**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:19:55 AM
IP: modem86.i-is.com
Warpmind - I almost did as good as you on that IQ test. I got a 162. I think the test is biased in favor of people who like doing puzzles for fun and also those who are able to visualize geometric shapes with no problem. Being able to think fast helps too. My previous high score on an IQ test was 144 so I think this one is "flattering."
On Darth Maul - It was fun to watch him fight, but it didn't really mean much when he died. I wish more time had spent developing his character and less (a lot less) on annoying Jar Jar. I think I know the audience Jar Jar was aimed at. I was in the drug store when this woman with 2 eeny weeny little kids in her cart passed nearby. The kids were mindlessly repeating "Jaw Jaw, Jaw Jaw, I like Jaw Jaw" while staring blankly at the hair implements and suntan lotion display. It was scary. I felt so sorry for their Momma, who looked very tired. Clearly Jar Jar is even more evil than I had previously imagined.
JackaL - I really don't know what to say to you. I'm very sorry you were feeling so bad you tried to commit suicide. Was it because of your legal problems? It's none of my business of course, but I think most all of us in here are worried about you now and would like to help out if we only knew how. Just don't try committing suicide again. It isn't really what you want or you wouldn't have gone to the hospital afterwards.
Jenniren
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:13:11 AM
IP: user-2ivf7o8.dialup.mindspring.com
David G> sent an email, if you don't get it let me know, my ISP is having sometrouble with their 56 K lines
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclilnk.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 11:12:15 AM
IP: 207.14.200.137
Okay, at work, only got a few mins, playing catch-up.
Zath> EIGHT teeth?? Owowow! Poor thing... You have my sympathies, since I'm a regular staple in the dentist's office. :(
Coyote> It wasn't how it sounded, but the battery needed a jump-start twice this week. I hadn't left the lights on or anything, and this is a new car battery. This, like the ant invasion in the kitchen, probably only started because the world sensed my folks weren't home... :)
Paul> <<I do not appreciate XENOGEARS Parodies, I do not like them in the least bit.>> Whoa, hold on, stop! Before you get into major commentary, hear me out. First off, I know very little about XENOGEARS in the first place, but don't you think you're taking this a bit personally? Yes, I've heard there's a lot of great character development and suffering... but it's fictional. I've gotten frustrated in the past when people have made fun of shows and films I like, but then I've usually let it go. Aris has a point: no matter how absorbing and well-done any fiction is (be it books, movies, TV, video games, etc.) it's still fiction. Let it go. Please. We really don't need a flame war in here. It's not worth it.
As for the PlayStation: *sigh* Well, I would, but that would be a waste of cash since I'm not allowed to bring a game system to school with me. Mainly because knowing me, I'd spend more time playing games than I would on papers.
Seeds of Change> All I'll say is that in her human guise, Molly's hair hasn't changed from "Hound of Ulster" or "Hazards," if anyone wants to get a better look at that pic.
Pistoff> A "thin-pan?" Oh, God...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 10:52:24 AM
IP: ch164-10.apgea.army.mil
Xanathar>>Oh pleaseeee! I will never again be able to look at one of those pink pigs with out picturing them passing gas.
Of course that reminds me of when they first came in the store, someone took one put batteries in it and hid it under the desk in the office, hoping to get one of the Assitant managers to jump out of their skin. Well instead one of the part time helpers came into the office, set the thing off, only from where it was located the sound was muffled and it sound like someone let one rip. Being very polite the young man got what he came for, and left casting sly glances at the person he thought was responsible for the uncouth deed.
When he left we all lost it!!!
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 10:42:23 AM
IP: 207.14.200.137
Paul Allen Nathans> I think that you going overboard by trying to connect suffering within fictional stories with suffering in the real world. I mean... didn't you ever laugh with Monty Python's dismembered knight (what are you gonna do? Bite my kneecaps off?)? Have you never joked about Star Trek's redshirts?
It's just fiction, you know. Laughing with the situations there is certainly allowed. It doesn't mean one is insensitive. It just means that one can recognize the difference between fiction and reality.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 10:30:25 AM
IP: athe530-c085.otenet.gr
Lucas > Geez, I'm getting tired of all the Lucas-bashing. The guy's not perfect, okay? Personally, I'm glad he had Maul killed. It showed us that the Jedi don't always need their *dads* to step in to save them from the big, bad Sith! (forgive me, Luke)
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 09:11:45 AM
IP: 156.40.117.111
Hi all!!
**Ricky's Joyride**
**WARNING THIS COULD GET MESSY**
Xanathar,Pistoff and Jack get out of the hearse and make their way towards the still twiching remains of Ricky Martin.
Xanathar picks up Rickys head holds it at eye level.
"I've been waiting a long time for this,not that it hasn't been fun watching you suffer agony after agony"said Xanathar with an evil grin.
Xanathar then trust his hand into Rickys exposed throat and ripped out his vacal cords.
Xanathar then dropped Rickys head onthe ground and pulled out his trusty twin bladed chainsaw and shredded rickys head in a shower of blood,flesh and brain matter.
"So what are you going to do with those vocal cords now that you have them" said Pistoff questioningly.
"I think I'll hang them on my wall as a trophy,or I'll feed them to my dogs which ever comes first"said Xanathar and then stands back and watches Pistoff an Jack go to work on the remains of Rickys body.
**To be Continued**
**WARNING OVER YOU CAN COME OUT NOW**>:)
Zath:8 teeth!!*Shudders*
Traveller:Welcome back!
Fleur:Thanks for the compliments to Pistoff and myself regarding Rickys joyride:)
Jackal:You tried to comit suicide! Why?
SOROW:Have you guys ever imagined a movie or show the garg way? Was it good or bad? Curious...>>All the time,I'm forever comparing movies and tv shows to Gargs and wondering how certain characters would react in certain scenes EG..Demona and the Brady Bunch,I can see it now,Demona brutally kills them all in the first 5 seconds of meeting them and then stuffs the maid into the oven at gun point and then lights the gas,Now I would pay to see that!>:),I also like to compare some of the romantic couples on tv to Goliath an Elisa as well.
Delphi:What was worse was the pig pig that oinked when you walked by, not quit as bad as the croaking frog.>>People are going to think im really imature about this but I've always wanted to get my hands on one of the and change it so that it makes fart noises instead of croaks and then place it in a busy shopping mall:)
SJ:*Reads rant about Star Wars*I agree completely,I've really begun to hate George Lucas of late and I can't believe that I used to respect him.
Mary:*snicker*you indeed have such a wonderfully dark sense of humor>:)
Theresa:While perusing the Onelist list of craft lists, I ran accross one devolted to making clothes for yard ducks. That's right. People make clothes for their lawn ornaments. Now if it were lawn gargoyles I could understand.>>Thats it! the world is now oficially F,U,B,A,R,:)
C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 08:44:31 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
Hmm... got to thinking about the possibility of someone being more powerful than Oberon.
Who do you think would win in a fight: Oberon or the Space Spawn?
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Gaithersburg, Maryland
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 08:44:27 AM
IP: 156.40.117.111
First of all-Before I forget again, I kept on forgetting on, and off over the past week, or two since the comment itself, or maybe I did say this, I don't remember... I know Goliath isn't really a 'sentimental fool', but he can be kinda' like one occasionally. As in, make mistakes.
Avalon Gargoyles-I believe I stated there might or might not be the possibility of someone who could threaten Oberon, but hey, there's the possibility. Besides, if there isn't anything to protect, then living a peaceful, normal life is fine. Foolish dreamers just hurt themselves. What about Anakin, leaving Tatooine, and what it'll do to him, because he wanted to become a Jedi Knight? After he was freed he could've stayed with his mother. Or Alex, in LUNAR: SILVER STAR STORY: COMPLETE. Oh, sure, he achieved his dream, but in the process nearly lost his closest friend! Looking for adventures is crazy!
Doug-Durandal's Cabin, to Quote a friend: D'Oh! As for Taben, write a Fanfiction about him if you wish. I'll give you the Link for the Fanfiction Site when LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE is finished, or you may get severe Spoilers from Fanfiction Descriptions, or not-so-severe Spoilers.
As for Ghaleon, Kitainia gave her opinion, yes, but I don't think she gave her reaction, like you did.
For BREATH OF FIRE: MYRIA'S LEGACY, please give me the Commentary over Electronic Mail. I'd like to keep Story Elements out of this Room.
Jewel Faulkner-You might be interested in reading the below commentary, as part of it pertains to your characters. I'm interested to know, could you see Christine doing any of what's described below?
Traveler-1.) I do not appreciate XENOGEARS Parodies, I do not like them in the least bit.
2.) If you are bashing XENOGEARS, you are going to receive a whole heck of a lot of commentary. I will try, try to be cordial, but I cannot guardantee it.
Although if you're making fun of the anguish these Characters go through, well, then, you need to learn about life. People have emotions, they have problems. If you're making fun of them then you're making fun of perhaps nearly every Character like this from Christine and Davida/Belinda, Daniel Straussmore/Ares, Christian, Hope, countless others up to Nina Winland, and some of my own Characters. You're making fun of them because they suffer!? What kind of person are you to make fun of people like that!? You've presumedly read the Athenaverse Stories. Mars, Christine, Davida/Belinda, you can't make fun of them! You can't make fun of anyone like Krelian and Lacan and Fei and Elly and Nina Winland. Do you know anything about human emotions!? I could see Christine possibly, if she gets hurt again, attempting to hack into a nuclear base, and launch warheads all over the planet to destroy all of it, just to end everyone's suffering. I'd pity her, maybe cry a bit, and what would you do!? You, sir, or miss, are apparently in need of understanding people's emotions. Seriously.
And if it is a joke, well, I just said that it isn't nice to joke about suffering! People like you are possible reasons why other people suffer in the first place! Okay, maybe not that far, but still...
Learn to understand emotions, and do not laugh at them, or bash them. If you're bashing XENOGEARS, there's one whole heck of a lot more commentary I have here.
TARZAN-I'm not so sure TARZAN had romance in the term you're thinking of. Love, caring, obviously, Nara, Jane, Kerchak, Tarzan, various aspects. TARZAN was a lot about caring, and, as Christi Smith Hayden can attest to after WHEN THE BOUGH BREAKS, families of the heart.
"So, Krelian, reach out with your fist, and with your open hand gently hold the people who will continue to live..."-Sophia
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 08:34:58 AM
IP: 44.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net
David G: Sorry you had a bad day. I know what that's like, myself, heh. Hope things get better tomorrow. :)
Coyote: About your license plate--awwww! That's so cool! :) Say, if you're looking for a hearse, click my name link. :) Personally, I'd love to have the kind of hearse that Mad Max might drive. :) Which is the basic idea for Cthulhu... I'd love to hear some of your ideas. :)
Speaking of which...
**RICKY'S JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
Jack cranks it up to sixth gear, now cruising at 220 miles per. "Don't worry about the blood. This isn't the first time bodily fluids have been spilled in here."
"Ah..." Pistoff wiggles his eyebrows. "You and Delilah, you mean?"
"I *wish!* You're the one who's writing our scenes, Pissy. I hope you don't keep me in suspense much longer."
"Ahh, that would be a spoiler. Sorry."
Jack grumbles and shifts up to seventh and chugs some Fukola.
Pistoff glances over his shoulder and his eyes pop out. "Holy $h!t!! There went his head!"
"Oh, that must be why he suddenly stopped screaming," Xanathar comments. "Hey, we need to go back and pick up his head! I want to have his vocal cords!"
Jack sighs. "Damn. Just when I was gettin' the ol' adrenalin goin'."
**TO BE CONTINUED**
Robby: A lot of people do that. And no matter how many times I spell it out, they just don't get it. hehehe The stuffed crust is basically a hand-tossed crust, stretched and folded around the string cheese.
Here's another typical conversation...
Me: "And what kind of crust would you like? We have thin, pan, hand-tossed, and stuffed crust."
Customer: "I want a thin-pan!"
**rolls eyes**
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:44:36 AM
IP: wire-5.koalas.com
**RP!**
[Wilek and his team are standing about in the World Devastator's engine room, when...Jake: "<snif snif> Do you guys smell that?" Teri: "There's...there's some kind of gas in here!" Wilek: "I don't smell anything..." Anoth: "Their sense of smell is far more acute than a human's or gargoyle's. I suggest we evacuate." Just then a familiar dark portal opens in their midst, and Traveler is seen through it. Traveler: "Did I hear you say you need to leave?" Wilek looks concerned for a moment, then realizes that the only other choice is to go back through the ship, so he leads his team through the portal, which leads to just outside the vessel. Wilek: "Thanks. That place needs a few canaries." Traveler: "<hehehe> I'll mention it at their next meeting." Then, much of the team is quite startled to hear and see the Ignie Ferroque bombarding the Devastator and the surrounding area. Wilek: "Great. We'll be blown to bits instead of suffocating." Traveler: "I wouldn't worry; the Ferroque's guns are quite precise..." Just at that moment, a squeaky voice is heard at Wilek's feet..."Pika-pika?"]
**PAUSE RP!**
Zath> <<For starters, the dorm building I stayed in was in the process of being renovated, and due to some mix up with the contractor, none of the bathrooms had stalls separating the toilets for the first night and half of the next day.>> Um...what? Shouldn't all buildings that have restrooms have *private* facilities? <<The next morning (Friday) I got eight teeth taken out and pretty much spent the rest of the day unconscious except for a half hour long distance call where I wrestled with USC's touch-tone registration system>> 8 TEETH?!!! AAACCCKKK!! I'm the kind of person who'd probably sooner go to a healing mage than a dentist; anyone who enjoys putting power tools in people's mouths for any purpose other than revenge is the kind of person I don't want to associate with. Eight teeth...*dang*. My condolences on the week you've had, especially *that*. Ick.
Pistoff> <<Open 24 hours. Lifeguard on duty 8 AM to 8 PM. Drowning absolutely probibited.>> Um...what? If they're going to be stupid enough to *prohibit* drowning (I can just see the lifeguard yelling at a drowned, fish-chewed corpse for a procedures violation), they could at least SPELL it right. Eesh. <<Could be possible...except the surface temperature is hot enough to melt lead, and the atmospheric pressure would crush you like a beer can...>> Maybe it wasn't always like that; there's evidence that Mars may have been habitable in the distant past. The main nitpick I have with gargs being from Venus is this: Isn't Venus' gravity a little lower than Earth's? So wouldn't gargs be physically weaker than humans? Which is obviously not the case. But who knows; evolution may have taken care of that. Of course, if Venus' gravity isn't substantially lower than Earth's, then I've just made myself look like an idiot. :P
Theresa> <<It's bad enough that most people can't speak English all that well, but now you want it translated into JarJar speak. You are warped.>> <takes a bow> Thank you, thank you very much. I try. >:) <<I'M IN CHARGE. Power is mine. HAHAHAHHAHAHA!! Not only that but my yarn kit came in the mail today.>> Come on, get happy now! ;P <<While perusing the Onelist list of craft lists, I ran accross one devolted to making clothes for yard ducks. That's right. People make clothes for their lawn ornaments.>> Um...what? How much do y'all want to bet that most of the buyers for this kind of thing are...well, ppl like most of Pistoff's more disturbing customers?
David G.> <<Hope I spelled your name right - I usually just paste it in to save the trouble>> You did, but even if you hadn't, it's no big deal. :) <<When I signed up, I said "no" to almost everything they wanted to send me e-mail about. I really just wanted the buyer's club stuff.>> Ah. Hm...I think my problem is that I *tried* to sign up for Xoom, but Mr. Disconnect did something to my browser before the process was finished. So now I have space at Xoom under the name I wanted, but I can't get into it, and Xoom is merrily vomiting into my Yahoo box. There's a delightful irony somewhere in there, if I could be bothered to find it. Sometimes, I look at the stuff that happens to me, and I feel like I'm trying to read tea leaves. There's a pattern here, if only I could see it. Or maybe I'm just weird. <shrugs> <<I was kind of worried that people wouldn't like my series since it ranges so far from the original characters.>> Mine does too, and I had the same fears at first, but they turned out to be unfounded. :)
Jenniren> <<First off, I want to say thank you to Robby, Theresa (Starsinger), and Wilek for sticking up for me. It's been a long time since anyone stuck up for me like that so it kind of brings a tear to my eye.>> Anytime. I think it's been proven many times over that One Does Not Mess With The Clan And Get Away With It. >:) <<Does it have wild areas with hidden treasures which Titania might want someone to go in search of? - or something potentially dangerous which Titania would want investigated?>> Potential idea...some kind of sleeping relic, a closed gate, is uncovered deep in the woods? Sort of Lovecraftian elder gods, do-not-meddle-in-affairs-beyond-thy-understanding sort of thing? Hm... <<Has anyone written fanfics about the Avalon clan?>> Well...they might be killed in a future fic of mine. You haven't seen spectacular until you've seen a meteorite to the skull. (Except for Gabriel. He reminds me too much of me. So I have to keep him alive to torture.) <<Does the fanfic archives cause as much trouble for Netscape users as it does for IE4?>> Err...I have IE4 and it doesn't cause any problems at all for me, at least none that it doesn't cause for anyone else.
Aaron> <<Jack also uses the space in back to hold his pizza deliveries. And maybe, in future fics, Delilah.>> Interesting...dead or alive? <<Coyote would go Frankenstein and demand to be built a mate. Maybe something named Vixen. (Aaron conjures vision of COYOTI 6.0 singing The Doors' "Build Me a Woman">> <blink> Words fail me. You just know someone in here is going to write an unconscionably twisted story along these lines, quite possibly for the adult archive. I might, if not for the fact that I would probably go right off the deep end in the process, and, well, I don't have the time for that. ;P
Gunjack> <<if you're still looking, try a company called Cold Steel at: (http://www.coldsteel.com) Go to Cold Steel Products, and check out the Lathi. Good stuff>> Is...this located anywhere near Cold Stone's ice cream parlor...? <G> <<It doesn't help that I keep expanding the story, and that the expansions keep causing contradictions in the plot...>> I had that problem with mine; I'm still working a few bugs out of my little saga.
Mary> <<I got this funny idea of an invention for the American woman. The Velcro Breast. See, if you don't like your chest size, you can swap them with someone>> <blink> I bet SJ's dad could use a set of those for the next sequel to Rocky Horror...
Traveler> WB! :D <<My only problem is weaning myself away from the novels I tend to write.... I mean... my user name in this room has become a bloody reference word!!!>> Heh heh heh...that, I think, is a BIG honor. :) <<But how would you explain where all of the gargoyles technology went to... Or is it just waiting to be found...>> Oooh...I can just see it: huge skyships, fantastic weapons, amazing whatever else there is...*wow*. I'll have a few droids start digging. :) <<Three reasons: Sure plasma will just rip through people and other stuff, but napalm BURNS...>> Ah...for some reason, I never thought of that. >:) <<I got a great deal on a truck load of them from some crazy Klingon arms dealer that Coyote the Bando once said he frequents...>> Hm...I'll have to find--wait a minute...Didn't a Klingon become a regular poster in here recently...? <G> <accepts flamethrower> Thank you. ^_^ Now to find...well, the CR Lawyer, actually. I used to like him, but he's done something recently that will require a prolonged death to make things even...<<Now all I have to do is keep myself from going completely bonkers until the new season comes out.>> Heh heh heh...no comment. >:) $Oh, and...I think there are several other cloaked ships in orbit. Namely, Oscura-class Dislumini Warbirds. They've remained quiet for now because they haven't detected the Trih Xeem, although they're probably getting suspicious now that they know your other ship is there. If you like, I can send you an e-mail clarifying all this. :) And SJ was on the same team as me and my team, but he went back to the station to see to the recovery of Kari and the Hounds.$ Um...Rustygears? You're twisted. :P
Fleur> <<Would you mind if I used that line if I ever feed half the Creativity demons that lecture spawned?>> Not at all. :) <<And that DIS death... awe-inspiring. :)>> Thanks. :) (Err, which one? I've done so many they kind of run together. :} ) <<Send the people responsible to the deepest pits of hell!!!>> And then tell them to start digging. >:) <<Do you remember the name of that story?>> Err...I'm afraid not, but if I ever find it again, I'll be sure to tell you. :) <<Well, that perfectly finishes off another visit to the CR. Jar-Jargonizer, dancing monkeys, that *shudders* Site Which Shall Remain Nameless, jumpers for lawn ornaments and velcro breasts *snickers (Mary, you're not the only one with a twisted sense of humour)*. This is why I don't miss my sanity!!!! *GRINS*>> Muhahahaha. Someday, the insane shall inherit the earth. Those who are unfortunate enough to be sane will be reconditioned via daily exposure to the CR. If that doesn't work, we'll have them do taxes until they're homicidal, then draft them into the military. >:)
$Doug> <<BTW, if I remember correctly the engine room should be flooding with poison gas any minute. Guod pushed the button, remember? You and your team better get out of there fast>> Eh? I must have missed that (I do that a lot). Thanks for telling me! :)$
Coyote> <<In fact, I can tell you *exactly* the first Gargfic I ever read: Christine Morgan's "Passions.">> A first impression is a lasting impression. ;) I think my first fic was either Merlin Missy's 'Forever' or one of the numerous X-Files crossovers. Which may or may not have influenced my current style...<<Wanna have big fun with the Jar-Jargonizer? Run the CR through it. :)>> Heh...that's the first thing I did. ^_^ <<"Strawberry and Chocolate," a Cuban film about homosexuality and Communism>> Er...those things go together about as well as a Volkswagon Beetle and a deformed bison. (Why am I suddenly reminded of the song 'Sex And Candy'? "I smell homosexuality and Communism, I smell homosexuality and Communism here...")
SOROW> <<Have you guys ever imagined a movie or show the garg way? Was it good or bad?>> Err...not that I can remember, although maybe I should start. :)
SJ> <<But what *really* pissed me off was how he dismissed Darth Maul. Apperently, Lucas purposefully killed Maul the way he did (like halving a PB & J sandwich) because "I knew some people would want him to return, and I didn't want him to.">> Um, what? WHAT??!!!!! <grr> One of the kewlest characters for anything ever, gets all of five minutes of screen time and basically zero character development, and Lucas makes certain that he really is sincerely dead just to drive home the point that he's not coming back?!! And I was holding out the hope that he'd become a more complete character in the next few movies...<GRR> [Wilek faces the general direction of George Lucas and gives an incomprehensibly obscene gesture with his hands and tail.] Vorox exim’ha, cruento pestis caecux! >8(
Galvatron> <<I think this makes an interesting discussion: do you think the "disabled" stereotype is too cliched, and presents a bad image? Or do you think that it's just a harmless way to portray a villian as twisted (given that a twisted body could merely be construed as an extension of a twisted mind)?>> I don't know; I've always found that 'disabled' characters are typically more interesting than non-disabled ones, whether they're villains or heroes. Look at, for example, Jobe, or Darth Vader. $One of my RP characters, who I hope to incorporate into my fics, is disabled, and he's one of the kewlest characters I've ever created.$
Jackal> Welcome back! :D Er...you tried to commit suicide? What was the matter? Trust me, that's no way to go. If you need to talk to us about anything, we're here to listen.
**RESUME RP!**
[Traveler: "What the..." Pikachu: "Pika! Pikachu-pikapikapikaaa!" The team notices that the Pokemon is carrying something, a white crystal with a silver button-like feature built into it, which it is trying to give to whoever will accept it. Wilek, being nearest, takes it, and enquires to no one in particular, "I wonder what this is..." Pikachu: "Chu! Pikaka-pika! Pikachu!" Wilek: "Uh huh. I have to find a Pikcahu-English dictionary..."]
**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 04:36:36 AM
IP: tnt-1-23-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
Gunjack Valentine: You recommend a site called Coldsteel? I dunno, I reckon most in this place agrees with me on this: you can't trust Coldsteel. Coldstone or Coldfire, maybe, but not Coldsteel... oh, wait, other referance... okay... might check it out...
IQ Test: What do my specs reflect upon? Nobody's busted my IQ top at 165? Hehehehehe... HAW HAW HAW! I'm the MAN! MY MIND WILL... oh, um, oops, said too much again ;)
**SHAMELESS PLUG**
Okay, you guys (with possible exeption of Robby), my latest fanfic is finally typed, clicka mah name, and Thailog is back, blind as a bat. Plus, Brooklyn goes off to ride a brand new Harley, and the reason for why he wears his hair so long is revealed.
**PLUG ENDED**
Well, gotta go to work, guys, call of the library.
"Librarians are guardians of knowledge. Never f*ck with a librarian."
-Uncertain origin, might have been Reader's Digest
Until later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 03:37:21 AM
IP: mp-217-239-232.daxnet.no
Reader Discretion is Advised
°°°°°JackaL steps up in the CR- checks out what everyone's been sayin- then looks James B. up and down°°°
Ok, just to let you know, I've been thur some hell in the past few dayz, so I may not be in a good mood - I understand where you're comin from about bein an outcast or geek or whatever..., and that's fine. Hey, I'm a freak/outcast myself. But you're whining about cursing is what got me. You never been to jail have you?! What do you think will happen if a muth***a get up in your face and demand your "bed" sheets?! Cusses you the f*** out, because in his opinion you're a punk ass b*tch? Huh?! I wish you were in a cell with me (when I was locked up), I'd cuss you out and have you thanking me for it!!!! Point is, muthaf***a's say sh*t that you ain't gonna like, and there's gonna be not one damn thing you can do about it!
Now there's difference in what people say and do..., F**K what people say..., but you devote your attention to what they DO. Remember that sh*t for the rest of your muthf***in life cause it's the best godd**n thing you've ever been told....
<<<Moving on>>>
::Sigh::
Anyway, I had a friend tell and really... begged me NOT to watch the Blair Witch movie thing.., whatever it's called, she said- to her, it was "neither disturbing nor frightening". But, I'm gonna end up watching it anyway, just because someone told me not to! :o)
Then I turned around and recommended The Haunting to her, I really LOVED that movie!!
I had to get stitches... :o(
...in my left wrist. The cuts on my chest and stomach will heal on their own and become scars or just go away entirely.. ::looks down:: I was trying to work up the nerve to commit suicide. But on the positive side, I was completely sober! Anyway, it was kinda funny actually, I walked in the ER and said, "I decided I don't wanna die tonight after all."
Heh, and.., I had blood all over me because I was playing with and smearing it from my stomach to everywhere else, plus the blood coming from my wrist (which was the last cut I made). So, I pretty much looked like I just got off the set of Saving Private Ryan..., the lady in there gave me that "Holy Sh*t" look..., you know the look I'm talking about??? When I finally got to my parents house to pick up my son, I had to talk to them and my son about it... It's weirdness.
So, in light of recent events I created a new screen name.. YaY 4 me! I took the "i" out because I thought that would be alittle too..., I don't know..., obvious?
JackaL - [Sucdeth89@aol.com]
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 03:20:39 AM
IP: spider-wj032.proxy.aol.com
****RP!!!****
"Hey Fleur!" Jaden says as he rejoins the battle. "Need some help?"
"Gee what gave you that idea?" replys Fleur. "Don't know, but I'm glad to have my axe back, felt almost naked without it." Suddenly he looks down, seeing what was left of his clothes after his fight with Hades. "That was my favorite jacket!" Screen fades out and the battle continues.
****END RP!!!****
Wilek- <Y'all have to see this> My God! Jar Jars back! AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
Zath-Eight? That's about how many I've had pulled, but not all at once. Ouch. Did you get the laughing gas? Makes you feel really good.
Well I'm off to bed.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 02:34:12 AM
IP: pm0-25.vpop1.avtel.net
Here's an interesting tidbit I found while watching too many late-night "newsmagazines": there apparently is a group of people who are opposed to the cliched stereotypes of "disabled" villians. Examples like Dr. Claw (in the latest Inspector Gadget movie), Captain Hook, etc. were pointed to, and this group of people took the position that, by portraying disabled people as villians (or by portraying villains as physically disabled), it sends a bad message to the public.
I think this makes an interesting discussion: do you think the "disabled" stereotype is too cliched, and presents a bad image? Or do you think that it's just a harmless way to portray a villian as twisted (given that a twisted body could merely be construed as an extension of a twisted mind)?
Also, I think we should contact these people and point out Gargoyles as an exception to this rule. After all, the main villian (Xanatos) of the show is a perfectly fit, athletic, prosperous, well-respected (in most circles) businessman. In the meantime, some of the most dignified "good guys" are physically scarred or disabled, as in the cases of Hudson and Halcyon Reynard.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Galvatron - [tbramfeld@hotmail.com]
Nearalake, IN, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 02:14:36 AM
IP: niobium.helios.nd.edu
Thanks for understanding David G. I have the morals and am honorable but I have I am not good at admiration. I am a square, uncool, unpopular kinda dude IRL with no friends at all (no don't pity me for not having friends, it's my own fault for not trying to make friends). I am very sane Robby. I was a could be more mature Tim P but I can't as you want obviously. My mom says I'm very mature for my age but ah Tim P please try and see I am the time that would rather play tag or hide and go seek with young kids then go to parties or meetings like grown ups do. I never went to prom or anything in high school. I am just a geek I guess and proud of it. Same info goes out to you Sevarious Jr. The one reason I wanted to join the Air Force was so they could whoop me into a grown up ready for the real world which I am not. Hate me all who want to, I do deserve it. Like it or not I can't change myself for others not even for myself.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 12:55:24 AM
IP: dt041n34.san.rr.com
Goodevning all
Starsinger> would you believe you can buy those clothes for your goose at Kmart? What was worse was the pig pig that oinked when you walked by, not quit as bad as the croaking frog.
David G>> Thanks, appreciate the encouragement, I guess I need to take my own advice and start put more of my mental effort on paper, (vision of fancy contantly live in my brain- it is a relief to know I am not the only one.
When did you first start to read fanfic?>> I found this site about 2 1/2 months ago. Started first with the main saga, then TDancer, then Pendragon now working my way thru the fanfic archives and enjoying them.
Speaking of picturing movies as gargs-- imagine Richard geer as a garg--long silver hair, black and silver bat like wings, dress in silver and black armor oh yeahhh
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, idaho
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 12:12:09 AM
IP: 207.14.195.122
*Valentine walks into the CR flipping, spinning, and twirling a foot-long knife blank*
Heh. I was looking for a music tape in my room earlier today, and stumbled across an old knife blade my parents picked up for me right after my Excellent Summer Adventure started. Apparently, they just stuck it in my room and forgot about it. Nice piece of Shefield steel; I'll have to start working on it next week.
On to the responces...
Robby><<Finished 1984 last night. Interesting book...>> I was rereading that book last winter, when an interesting little creativity demon hit me.
*******Minor Spoilers and Excessive Technicality*********
Big Brother's control is totally dependant on the Thought Police's ability to pinpoint subversives before they can even begin to take action. However, from what I can tell, the TP's mind reading system is based on interpreting responces based on a library of psychological profiles and studies, rather than psychic abilities or any other mystical power. In other words, the TP says something disturbing to you, notes your responce, checks your profile, and tells you what you're thinking. The flaw in this system is that if the TP run into someone who's mind is sufficiently differant, they'll be unable to read him. That was the insperation for a nasty little story that could be called "The Thought Police Meet Hannibal Lecter"
*********End Excessive Technicality*************
Zath - Ouch. I've got two wisdom teeth coming out this summer, but EIGHT?!? Why eight?
Aaron><<
Frankenstein> If I was Xanatos, this would've been one of my biggest fears: That Coyote would go Frankenstein and demand to be built a mate. Maybe something named Vixen. (Aaron conjures vision of COYOTI 6.0 singing The Doors' "Build Me a Woman">>< There are times, ladies and gentlemen, when no comment seems adiquate. Somebody, PUT THIS IN A FIC!!!
Paul><<Gargoyles protect. End of story. You don't notice the Manhattan Gargoyles out looking for adventure, they patrol. Just like the Avalon Gargoyles presumedly do. Sure, Avalon's probably not going to be easily found, but gargoyles don't take chances. Gargoyles protect. End of story.><< Against what? From what I gathered from the show, the Avalon clan lived in total isolation until the return of Oberon, and until then, there was never anything to protect against. And now that Oberon, arguably the most powerfull being in the series, has returned, the gargoyles seem to be little more than honor gaurds.
*Valentine checks his watch, and frowns*
Well, it's thirty minutes before my enforced bedtime, and I still haven't figured out how I want to handle the story tomorrow. It doesn't help that I keep expanding the story, and that the expansions keep causing contradictions in the plot... Oh, well, I'll think of something...
Gunjack Valentine
Dallas, TX
Tuesday, August 3, 1999 12:08:06 AM
IP: spider-tl054.proxy.aol.com
Maybe RP tomorrow, but I don't want to get too into anything, seeing as I'll probably have to leave by the end of the week.
Entity: The Blair Witch Project only opened on about a 1,000 screens this past weekend, but don't worry, it should hit more in the next couple of weeks. You'll have plenty of chances to see the film. :)
BTW, I'm finally happy that there was at least ONE film I really liked this summer that's doing well. Word out now is that BWP could stand to be the most successful film EVER, seeing as total production and promotion only cost about 350 Gs....while the film has already made about 35 million. Take that, Titanic!
Sorry if I'm going overboard with this film, but I've tracked it's progress for months now....and after The Colossal Disappointment That Was Star Wars: Episode 1: The Phantom Cartoon...(I mean Menace...)....I need at least one film that I really enjoyed this summer to do well. In my opinion, overall this summer's movies have sucked the big hard one.
Speaking of STAR WARS: Lucas did another interview, this time for the UK. *sigh* I'm really, really, really starting to hate this man. Seriously. In this recent interview, he bitched (oh my! cursing!!!) and moaned about how "some people don't want to have a comedic sidekick"; of course, he was talking about the almost universal hatred of the abomination named Jar Jar. But what *really* pissed me off was how he dismissed Darth Maul. Apperently, Lucas purposefully killed Maul the way he did (like halving a PB & J sandwich) because "I knew some people would want him to return, and I didn't want him to." God, what a prick. Maul was the best damn thing in that movie, for all of the five minutes he graced the screen. Of course, Jar Jar has to be in ever damn shot......
Sorry, but the more I remember that movie, the more I realize Lucas screwed everybody with it. Especially the fans.
How I discovered fanfic: I honestly don't remember how I discovered my *first* fanfic, but I initially came across the GFW from Karen Nicholas' page full of links. If you haven't seen her site, you really have to. There's literally hundreds of different links, for dozens of different shows, ranging from regular tv shows to anime to toons.....hell, I think they even have some links to MacGyver fan fic. Sheesh. Click on my name to go there.
IF YOU LOVE FAN FIC, CLICK ON MY NAME TO GO TO A REALLY COOL SITE!!!!
Evil Arthur episode: It wasn't that great, but it had its moments. Merlin was way to damn annoying--I was pretty much waiting for Arthur and Maeve to waste his hiney; Hercules, demigod or not, could not have taken out the true Once and Future King so easily, (with or without Excalibur); but at least the actress who played Maeve was kind of cute.
James: You're 19? I don't believe it. To be truthful, the way you act, I've honestly thought you were no older than....hmm, 14. (No offense to our other resident 14 year old, the still-on-hiatus Mr. Crowley). Sorry, dude, but if you want to be "honorable" you have to start acting your age, none of this kindergarten "I'm ignoring you!!!" bullcrap. Join the Air Force, and see how long they put up with that kind of crap.
Traveler: Welcome back!!!!
Say, I forgot that you were a Republican. Yes!!! Join us!!! Join us, the Evil Party, as we sell guns to children, oppress minorities and homosexuals, take away welfare, and make the rich even richer!!! Come, puppets, dance as we pull your strings!!!! Bwah ha ha ha!!!!
Well, that's the Republican stereotype, anyways. I wouldn't mind being a real "puppet master", though, every now and again. ;)
BTW, Where can I get MY copy of Rustygears? It sounds like the best game EVER!!! By golly, I'll have to buy a copy for my N64, my Playstation, my Gameboy.....I'll have to buy a copy to sleep with at night, buy another copy to carry with me throughout the day....Long live the power of RustyGears!!!!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, August 2, 1999 11:55:39 PM
IP: 207-172-60-103.s103.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
Just started reading The Great Gatsby for school today, and I sure hope it gets better!
Blair Witch Project> Seeing this on Thursday with my mom and my cousin.
Mary> HHHAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!! Maybe I can trade my flabby thighs too!
Gunjack> On my door..."The Procrastination Support Group meeting has been POSTPONED."
Fanfic> Honestly, I am ashamed to say that I cannot for the life of me remember when I first started reading fanfic! When I first received the Net on my computer, I searched for Gargoyles first thing. (This might have been the beginning of 98). I went to this site first and did some exploring. I'm *pretty sure* I began Timedancer first just cause it had Brooklyn in it. Somewhere in there I began TGS and have been hooked ever since! I really don't read any other fanfic than this site's (shrugs). I believe I first posted in here on October 1, 1998 but who knows? I'm now proud ot say that I'll be totally finished with Dark Ages by tomorrow! I was really determined, three eps per day! WHEW...
To all> I watched Titanic last night, and somehow imagined the whole thing as one big Timedancer ep. I have never cried so hard over a movie! Have you guys ever imagined a movie or show the garg way? Was it good or bad? Curious...
I'm trying to get back to my school sleeping schedule, which means that I should be in bed or doing some stupid project! OKIloveyoubyebye!
SOROW
Monday, August 2, 1999 11:52:40 PM
IP: usr11-dialup42.mix1.irving.cw.net
I scored 162 on the IQ test and my 11 year old sister scored 156.
Zath> Actually Venus' gravity is only slightly lower than Earth's which translates into being maybe 5-10 lbs lighter.
8 teeth?! Yikes!
Christine>Hilarious want ad.
Fanfic>I started with TGS last September and found the main archive a month later.
Peter - [peter_bijl@hotmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Monday, August 2, 1999 11:11:19 PM
IP: kam-53-0123.direct.ca
<----- "Wanna play hockey?"
"Puck," get it?
I scored a 135 on the IQ test! That's a entry level genius rating.
James Birdsong: It's good that you have high moral standards (at least it appears so) but try to act a little more mature when someone uses fithy f--king language. If you feel so strongly about that you might consider a career other than the Air Force. I don't want to discourage you (everyone bugs me 'cause I want to join the USMC), but your're gonna have a DI shouting profanity in your face with that wide brim hat bumping into your forehead, not because he's standing too close, but becuase your head is in the way.
Tim P. - [dtkphipp@pionet.net]
Monday, August 2, 1999 10:38:13 PM
IP: s1-onawa.pionet.net
Finished 1984 last night. Interesting book...
Also saw Transformers: The Movie for the first time. Pretty cool, though I couldn't keep up with the three dozen or so characters and Unicron was beaten a bit easily...
Pistoff- Ever have a customer who's asked for a stuffed crust pizza with a thick crust? I did that once...
Jenniren- Between what we've seen on the show, with Goliath flying around the island in a few hours and Elisa getting to wherever Arthur was and back, Avalon is probably a fairly small island.
Aaron- Yet another funny creativity demon... **Thinks back to the one a few days ago.** And I was an even greater fool to sleep with you? Alright, who slipped that in there?" Heh heh...
Ya know, I really need to attend a SAAS meeting some time...
Zath- 8 teeth? Ouch...
Mary- Interesting sense of dark humor indeed...
Traveler- Been a while man. What, no part where you go "Dragons dragons dragons"?
Fanfics- Hmm... Actually, I started writing mine shortly after the final episode of Goliath Chronicle came on for the first time and I knew there would be no more. Did it for about 2 and a half years, a ten page or so fic every two or three weeks... SHortly after I started coming online, I stopped almost dead short in my tracks, when I discovered others had already been doing this, and quite a few of them, much better than I ever could. (F'r instance, I have a story that follows almost entirely the exact same plot as Spike's Avery story "Mockingbird", cept hers is much longer and better... Ah well...) Since then I've signed up with TGS, and so far have worked on three stories, one of them I pretty much wrote entirely myself, (Timedancer: Trust No Future) and the other being the Dark Ages season 2 premiere which I'm helping with and illustrating... And as far as that hint you want Doug... So far the two illos I've done have Brooklyn in them. Thats all I'm gonna say.
As for how I ran into TGS, well... Demona May found it first and told me about it. Its one of the first things I hunted down when I came online.
Pokemon movie- Actually, its going to be two movies in one. A half hour movie, and then an 80 minute movie titled "Mewtwo Strikes Back." the first is supposedly a total bore, but the Mewtwo one is supposed to be real good. WB made a smooth move picking up this license. All they have to pay for is the dubbing, and they get to market it as original WB stuff!
James- To be quite honest, given your recent actions, attitude, and partial appology, not to mention what you've said in the other CR, I truly believe you are nuts.
Entity- Our school expanded passing periods from five minutes to six last semester, because people weren't getting to class on time. Funny, I was able to make it across campus, and up and down stairs in under three minutes usually...
And I was about to do an RP, but someone's trying to make a phone call... Dang...
Robby
Monday, August 2, 1999 10:37:42 PM
IP: spider-wj083.proxy.aol.com
**enters the room, switching out the candles. Sits down in the big chair, taking a deep breath**
Well ... things get interesting around here ...
Jenniren, re: Clan Avalon: Lots of people have theorized about what the Clan has been doing ... all I can speak for is my own fics: Clan Avalon has only shown up *once,* in "By the Grace of Oberon," and then only in the first half of the story, as Gabriel sends Lina and Rain to Manhattan. Avalon's mists take the two where they need to be ... into a pond in a small park across the street from the Eyrie Building. :)
They were mostly bit players, but I needed them to establish certain things about two of my characters ... that Lina was the rebel-without-a-cause of the Clan, and Rain previously *had* no clan (Gabriel simply assumed he was Clan when Lina volunteered him ... never mind that he should've known everyone in the Clan since birth. ;), not to mention he also had no memory.
Gunjack, re: fanfic scene: Heh ... here you enter into a long and twisted tale as far as I go ... ;)
The first fanfiction of *any* kind that I recall reading was waay back in '95, when the Web was a very new concept to me. The fic in question was a Generation X multipart fic titled "After the Flood" (no relation to Doug's AtF), and I suppose in certain ways it's one of G:CM's influences; the storyline took place 20 years after current continuity and dealt with major occurrances happening which changed the world order drastically. Main reason I found it was through "The Spark," a mailing-list Jubilee fan club (Jubes was the protagonist of AtF).
The first Gargfic I read was about the same time ... I'd sporadically seen eps of the series and bought the "Heroes Awaken" video. On a whim I went looking around for Gargfics. In fact, I can tell you *exactly* the first Gargfic I ever read: Christine Morgan's "Passions."
When I got back into the Garg fandom after leaving college (two years ago) and got my Web access back (last year), I started looking around to see if I could find any more Gargfics ... hoping to find "Passions" again and check out more of Christine's stuff ... and stumbled across Skydancer's Damien series (first one of hers that I read was ... oh shoot, I think it was "Eyes in the Dark"). After reading what she'd written of it to that point (it was up to "Discoveries," IIRC), two things happened:
1) I got inspired, and
2) I sent off an e-mail to Sky asking her when Elisa was gonna have her baby and asking for her opinion on a basic sketch of the character that would eventually become Rosanna.
And now we're at the point we are now ... because of Gargfic, I've become less and less lonely, my heart's been mended **sighs briefly**, and I've made some very good friends ... among that group I wholeheartedly count Christine and Skydancer. :)
Entity: "Blair Witch" *did* go into national release last week ... it was all over the entertainment news (mainly because that move caused "Mystery Men" to be delayed a week to keep it from getting stomped at the box office by "Blair Witch") ... but your best bet is going to be finding your closest multiplex of at least 10 or more screens. Only theater in my area showing it was Chesterfield Crossing, which is a 12-plex.
Wilek: Wanna have big fun with the Jar-Jargonizer? Run the CR through it. :)
I've seen pages like that before ... most infamous of them being the Exonizer. This page (created during the CDA mess) would scan a Website and censor out anything that the program determined had even a remote sexual connotation ... it would censor seemingly innocent words like "foot," "tongue," "slide," and "hot." If it appeared in that letter seqence in any word in the document, the Exonizer would censor it.
Pistoff: Believe me, the stuff I'm planning on doing with my '79 Sedan De Ville is *kid's stuff* compared to what I could do with a hearse if I had one. You're talking some serious headgames I'd be playing ... get me a '68 era Cadillac hearse, drop a Northstar engine in that badboy (after first getting rid of the stupid fuel injection in favor of a six-pack intake), rack the rear end and you're talkin' some serious draggin'!
Oh, speaking of Caddies ... went to renew the registration on mine this afternoon. And yep ... I *did* get the custom plates. In 6 to 8 weeks, my car will have a nice, shiny new Michigan license plate that has NWNFRVR stamped across sunset over the Mackinac Bridge. ;)
Starsinger, re: Arts-in-the-Park: I'm willing to bet good money that *somebody* was walking around that fair in her Gathering garb. ;)
Mary: YOU ARE ZICK, ZICK, ZICK!!! ;) j/k
Zath: Speaking as someone who had intensive surgery performed on his hard palate at the tender age of 12, I sympathize, friend. My dental woes at that age have left me (unfortunately) with a lifelong phobia of all things related to dentistry.
David G, re: speedometer cable disconnected: Hey, at least it's something you can deal with, just keep pace with the rest of traffic and you should be okay. Not like the situation with my Cadillac ... God help me, I love that car, but as long as I've owned it, the fuel gauge has *never* worked, and because of the electrical ministrations of my cousin's soon-to-be-ex husband, I doubt it's ever going to work ... he found a loose hot wire in the instrument panel cavity while hooking up my radio, said it was making him "nervous," and cut it back. Unfortunately, that particular wire is the one that was disconnected from the fuel gauge (from what I understand, it's an electrician thing: this particular fuel gauge will read constantly "full" if the hot wire is disconnected, and constantly "empty" if the ground is dc'd. It reads constantly "full." You do the math.). :P
Mandi, re: car battery: Before ye make any judgments about the battery's condition, have it checked at a shop. Most shops should be able to do battery testing ... hell, most auto parts retail shops should be able to test it. Wait ... contact me over e-mail about this, tell me what it's doing and I'll give you my honest opinion of what it sounds like.
Entity again: Oh, film classes are fun, if not for the chance to watch movies in class every day then just for the kind of thing that Zath was doing. My own film class in college (the one taught by the "Army of Darkness" extra) allowed me the chance to watch a lot of movies I'd never get a chance to watch on a normal basis (or *want* to, for that matter ... case in point: "Strawberry and Chocolate," a Cuban film about homosexuality and Communism. Interesting movie, but it'll make you want a shower after watching it. And I hadda watch it two days in a row, twice, completely through!).
**sits back in the big chair, fixating on the candles' flames ... sighing once again and reminiscing about the wonderful person he met through the fandom ...**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, August 2, 1999 10:16:06 PM
IP: modem23.i-is.com
Wilek> Assigned summer reading is a foriegn concept to you?! Take me to your reality! I bet you also have 4-minute intermissions between classes instead of 3...
Zath> LOL, you got to nitpick the Frankenstien movie for a grade? Lucky :)
Coyote> Happy to know your grandma's better.
Starsinger> LOL!!! I, too, btw, thought Macbeth was being *extremely* honorable in his decision to exhile young Canmore. How could anyone think otherwise?
Traveler> I think I took the IQ test you're referring to. IMHO, the results are far from reliable. I don't know anyone who has gotten lower than a genius-level score on it, making the "average" percentile a pretty slim majority...
Doug> I don't think those requests for the upcoming DA season are too unreasonable...not by a long-shot...
Entity
Monday, August 2, 1999 09:46:57 PM
IP: ely-oh5-32.ix.netcom.com
This was not a pleasant day. It wasn't one of those days where you feel like being a jew in 15th century Spain would have been easier, but it was not a pleasant day. The best part was when I got my car back from the shop, and they hadn't hooked the speedometer back up, and when I called, they had just closed.
Oh well, I'm home now, and if things get worse, I won't know about it till tomorrow. On to some replies.
Traveler> Thanks for the compliments. I was kind of worried that people wouldn't like my series since it ranges so far from the original characters. It's good to see that people are getting the idea.
Delphi> I'd love to see some more of your writing. I've been trying to figure out what to tell you about your poem, but I can't find anything to criticize. There might be a few words I'd alter, but not very much, and we'd be getting down to the point of what I personally like, as opposed to what's good or bad in general.
CR Inhabitants> Sorry, I'll try to stick to comments about things the rest of you would have heard of. I'm just too lazy to open the e-mail app right now.
Robby> I guess I just have a low tolerance for ethnic dance. Also, I'm a marathon Tetris player, and after you've heard him six times in half an hour, he starts to get annoying. Unfortunately, by then you need to let the song play so feeling will return to your wrist.
***Preaching Alert***
James Birdsong> I don't know exactly what to say to you. If you want to ignore people's posts because they use language you don't approve of, that's OK. It's kind of immature to call everyone's attention to it by posting the fact you're ignoring them. It also takes up space that could be used for something else.
If your intent is to have a positive effect on the lives of the CR users, to be a good example, then you have to be not only more moral and honoralbe, but more admirable. People will be more likely to learn from your example if you are likeable.
I try to watch my language, and would rather not have people curse in front of me. As far as that goes, I agree with you. I'm just saying you should think about the effects of your actions, and try to make sure that they are good ones.
Anyway, people ragged on you all morning, and that's not my intent here. I want to help you live up to the standard you've set for yourself, becasue I admire you for setting it. It's always easier to go along with the majority than to stand up for what you believe in.
Everybody else> If you know James doesn't like cursing, maybe you could try to watch for it. The Delete key isn't all that hard to use, and showing consideration for a friend, even when you think he's being silly, is always a good thing to do.
I'm not trying to tell people how to behave. It's just a suggestion.
***End Preaching***
That's enough of that. I'm not sure enough of my own morality to be really comfortable telling other people about theirs. If anybody was offended, annoyed, etc... I'm sorry.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, August 2, 1999 09:33:30 PM
IP: pppa33-fortworth13-3r235.saturn.bbn.com
Zath: Eight teeth?! Oh my GOD! **hugz**
To answer the question of how I discovered fanfic, well, I got hooked up to the internet for the first time, last October or so. At some point it dawned on me that I should run a search on Gargoyles and see what happened. The GFW was at the top of the list, and I took a peek. Honestly, I was surprised by what I found. I'd expected to be one of a tiny handful who even remembered that show, heh. Guess I was wrong about that one. ;) I found TGS and started reading, then I read some of Christine's fics and a few others. Then I got it into my head that I could give this a shot. I obviously wasn't having any success with the publishing industry (I'm fed up with that whole mess, screw those people), so I thought this would at least be a way for people to see what I have to offer. I figured that I could at least get samples of my work out there and get some feedback. Heh, it seems to have worked fairly well. :)
Starsinger: Uhhh...people make clothes for lawn ornaments? Ehhh... Yikes!
Fleur: Glad you're enjoying Ricky's Joyride. :) I'll ad another bit to it later this evening, some time.
About gargoyles being from Venus: Could be possible...except the surface temperature is hot enough to melt lead, and the atmospheric pressure would crush you like a beer can... O_o
Mary: LMAO! But then, if real breasts could come unattached to a body, a lot of guys would just buy them and play with them for hours and hours... ;) j/k ...and imagine what might happen if other body parts became available, "sold separately." hehehehe
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Monday, August 2, 1999 09:08:20 PM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com
Doug>I could try marketing it but see, no woman is willing to let a 16-year-old hack off their breasts and stick velcro on the back. ;P
Mary
Monday, August 2, 1999 09:03:33 PM
IP: stk-ts2-h1-37-188.ispmodems.net
Gunjack> The first fanfic I got into was Trek, the fan club I belong to used a lot of it in our newsletters and got interested in it that way...
My first exposure to Gargoyles fan-fic was due to your conversation with that fellow out there in the hallway out a G99. I overheard the reference to the Gargoyles Saga, so I did a search on the net, and wound up here! I started reading shortly after I started posting and I have completed the whole Gargoyles series (reading two or three stories a night and got case of eye-strain :)
Blair Witch> I do plan on seeing it ASAP, but living almost fourty miles away from the nearest convienent theater makes that slightly difficult. Most likely I'll Mystery Men this Friday with some friends, so I might not have the time this weekend
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Monday, August 2, 1999 08:37:26 PM
IP: uv1-42.ultravision.net
**THIS POST WILL START WITH RP**
Outside the Devastator, while Tricia and Gubio (now joined by Traveler and Fleur's team) help the Avatar forces mop up the last of the Borg drones coming out to attack them, Stephanie continues her duel with Amanda Raven. "Do you like this?" Amanda asks as she cuts a neat line across Stephanie's cheek. "My strength reflexes have been upgraded by Borg implants, I am now the greatest immortal fighter of them all! You can not defeat me!" Stephanie ignores her opponent's taunts and hits her with a dizzying series of cuts and slashes that seem to do no real damage. "Try and catch me!" Stephanie shouts as she knocks Amanda down and then somersaults up to the top of the Devastator using a convienent set of protuding metal bars sticking out of its side. Amanda roars and follows her, and soon they are fighting again on the roof of the huge ship. Kit's sister hits her opponent with another series of dizzying cuts that seem to do no real damage. Amanda laughs and comes on, only to suddenly find herself unable to move as fast as she was before. "That's right!" Stephanie shouts as understanding crystallizes on Amanda's face. "I just cut the last of your nerve-implant connections! Time to die!" Her sword slashes down and chops Amanda in the neck before the other immortal can react. Then Stephanie drops her blade and assumes a ready position, knowing what is about to arrive. In the next second she, the sky above the Devastator, and the titanic ship itself are engulfed in a huge storm of electricity that seems to shake the ground.
Meanwhile inside the Devastator's control room, Guod is lining up his laser guns to take out Doug and Kitainia. "You two are lucky that torpedo wasn't a direct hit!" the evil clone shouts. "Now I will destroy you!" He fires the laser guns but their beams bounce off a magical force field Lathrop has hastily erected. Doug and Kit yell their thanks to the wizard, then quickly down some of their reserve healing potions to relieve the many wounds given them by the proton torpedo blast. "My shield can't stop his lasers forever!" Lathrop shouts as Guod continues to yell and shoot at them while Doug answers a communication from Wilek. "What are we going to do?" "Hold on," Doug says as he ends the communication, studying the X-Wing, Guod, the Borg astromech on the back of the fighter's fuselage, and the electricity that is arcing through the metal walls around them. He grins. "I've got an idea."
**MORE RP AT THE END**
Okay, time for my first post of the week. :) No major fanfic progress to report today, I don't want to do any teasers since the next story isn't that important to the saga's plot (but still it must be done <grin>). So on with replies.
Herc Episode: I didn't like the idea of an "evil King Arthur" either. But the ep did have its moments. The battle with the giant was pretty neat, and Maeve made a decent villain. But other than that it was full of blatant mythological fallacies and a pretty convoulted plotline so all in all it wasn't that great. That episode is one of the main reasons I'm glad Hercules will be ending soon.
Robby: They're making a Pokemon movie? I didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it. Hope it has more plot and character development than the Pokemon cartoon show usually does. Oh well, if it has good animation, and involves Pikachu, Arbok, and Squirtle (my personal favorite Pokemon), it should at least be bearable. :)
Coyote: Good idea for the Zorro/garg bedtime story. Glad to hear your grandmother's being released from the hospital, hope she's feeling better now.
Welcome back TRC.
Wilek: Thanks for the neat Jarjar link. $ Yes, Guod's ship does have a Borg astromech droid servicing it. I'm going to use that against it at the end of this post. :) BTW, if I remember correctly the engine room should be flooding with poison gas any minute. Guod pushed the button, remember? You and your team better get out of there fast. $
Paul: Yes, we did notice that Taben's Peak is the remains of the Grindery, Kit and I thought it was pretty cool. (Wonder whatever happened to Taben after Lunar 1.) Just so you know, Kit's already given her opinion of Ghaelon's return. I guess you missed it, sorry about that. We'll give you a review of Myria's Legacy once we have finished reading the fourteen chapters you've already posted. So far we think it's a good story that is proceeding very well. :) One nit, though- It's not Emitai's house that's outside the walls of Wyndia. It's Durandal's. That's not important, but I thought I'd point it out anyway. <shrugs>
Jenniren: I've written a few fics about Avalon. They haven't been about the Avalon clan much, but they have somewhat detailed its less-known "wild and unexplored" areas. Check out After the Flood, Choices, and Voyage. I hope to do some more stories featuring the island in the future, maybe the Avalon clan will have more of a part in them next time.
The Fanfic Archive: I haven't had too many problems with it using Netscape. All the authors' names and most of the stories have somehow been quadriplicated though, so parts of it do take a while to load. Oh well, one can still post stories to the thing, so at least it's not all messed-up. :)
Mary: That is one heck of a bizzare idea. Worse than that Isis stuff. <grin> You should try to market it to comedy people, George Carlin and the SNL folk would probably pay you a lot to use it on their shows.
New TGS-related Topic: Everyone knows the new season of Dark Ages is coming up soon, right? I wonder what everyone would like to see in it. Maybe the staff can give a few hints. Personally, I hope for more development on the Goliath and Demona relationship, Iago's plotting to turn Othello against Goliath using Desdemona, some more Roland episodes, and of course a story or two focusing on Asrial. Mixed in with good plots, character development, and pics. Hope I'm not asking for more than the writers can produce. :)
Traveler: Welcome back. Good to see you again. $ BTW, did you have to kill off Walker Texas Ranger? Doug and I happen to like that show, you know. Oh well, it doesn't matter. Thanks for at least not doing it onscreen. And also thanks for getting Fleur and co. out of the Devastator before it blew. $ Good luck making shorter posts in the future. BTW, where can we find this interesting-sounding game called Rustygears? :)
That's all for now, good night till next time. Later everyone.
**BEGIN RP SECOND HALF**
Lathrop's shield finally crumples under Guod's laser barrage. "Correction," the Borg leader declares, "NOW I will kill you!" "Distract him, guys!" Doug shouts at Lathrop and Kitainia, taking off to stand in front of Guod's cockpit. "Okay pal!" Doug shouts. "Get ready!" "Get ready for what?" Guod asks, his voice a mocking cackle. "Are you going to take on my X-Wing with your bare hands?" Doug holsters the shotgun and nods, drawing a length of electrical cable. In that instant Kitainia hits the X-Wing's underbelly with a rocket and Lathrop with a fireball, causing Guod to scream and bank into a tight roll as his fighter is knocked off balance (the Borg astro-mech is still repairing its shields). Doug zooms down beside the fighter's tail as Guod tries to connect his course and plugs his cable into the Borg astro-mech's side access panel. The droid wails in protest and extends an arm to remove the cable, but not before Doug touches the other end of it to the wall of the ship. Said wall is still sparking from Stephanie's Quickening, and the electricity immediately courses along the cable right into the droid and the X-Wing. Just as Guod gets his ship balanced again, and starts being able to shrug off the fireballs and rockets Kit and Lathrop continue to throw his way, the electricity arcs into his ship and causes an immense explosion. Doug quickly lets go of the cable and zips away from it (his insulated gloves can only absorb so much shock) as the X-Wing comes crashing down and makes a huge hole in the control room's floor. "Goodbye, Guod!" Doug smiles as he lands beside Kit and Lathrop, exchanging a hug and kiss with the former. They hold on to each other as the Devastator shakes from Traveler's bombardment. "Agent Rho must be using heavy ordinance," Kit speculates. "Yep," Doug nods. "I suppose that'll do the job on the rest of these jerks." "Uh, guys," Lathrop interrupts them suddenly, pointing at the pit. They turn to see Guod's hand holding onto the edge. "I'm not dead yet, fools!" the evil clone declares as he pulls himself up. "We're going to have to do something about that," Doug declares, drawing his shotgun once more as Guod leaps out and stands before them, extending his implanted weapons and looking ready to fight.
**TO BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME, END THIS BIT OF RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, August 2, 1999 08:34:48 PM
IP: pool-207-205-237-140.dlls.grid.net
**WARNING!! DEALINGS WITH DIS AND SLI SLUDGE**
We have: Our dear friends, Dis and Sli, tied up and wide-eyed. Standing behind them, we also have Fleur, who's deciding what could possibly be painful enough for them. Suddenly, she clicks her fingers.
"I know!" She picks them up, walks over to one of the dozen doors in the CR and throws them through it. Then she closes the door, locks it, bolts it, covers it with chains and padlocks, shoves a heavy bookcase in front of it and finally, digs out the moat so the alligators can swim around directly in front of it.
Meanwhile, Dis and Sli look around and see....dozens of dancing monkeys.
"AARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!"
**END DEALINGS*
Hmm, do you think that might have been _too_ cruel? *Thinks for a minute, then shrugs* Nah. They deserved it.
Wilek> >Hm...men are from Mars, gargs are from Venus?:)< *LOL!* Would you mind if I used that line if I ever feed half the Creativity demons that lecture spawned? And that DIS death... awe-inspiring. :)
BTW, my childlike innocence has been crushed, as has my love for life. I have experienced the terror that is 'Janet Reno's girly dance'. *mumbles* The horror...the horror. I think what scares me even more is that there are TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY of these sites! Decent sites get shut down for a billion different reasons, all of them stupid, and monstrosities like this are allowed to remain on the internet!! Do we really want young children exposed to this kind of evil? KILL THE MONKEYS!!! KILL THE JANET RENO GIRLY DANCE!! Send the people responsible to the deepest pits of hell!!!
Xanathan>I still have a set of series one gargoyles trading cards that I'd be happy to give to you< *blinks, stunned* Wow, thank-you!! :)
Christine> Job application> *LOL*
Wilek again> >in the GFW archive, I seem to remember
tripping over a fic series that postulated that gargoyles were native to Earth...but that humans originated on Mars.< Do you remember the name of that story?
Coyote> Your Grandma's getting better? Yea! *does a little happy dance.* Hope she keeps improving!
Zath> You've had EIGHT teeth removed? Rant all you want, girl, you've got the right to. >That would also explain why gargoyle wings seem to be so well developed, but are only good for gliding. With Venus's lower gravity, they'd be able to fly.< Wow, I didn't think of that. You know, at this rate, I'm going to _have_ to write a fic about this - it's just too tempting to resist. :)
Pistoff and Xanathan> *reads 'Ricky's ride of pain' and starts clapping.* Bravo!
Gunjack> It took me a while to get to the fanfics, since I read all of the TGS stuff first. I think the first fanfic I read was one by Christine Morgan. Need I say more? :)
Aaron> Vixen? *ROTFL!*
Theresa> 'We have a life' - Somebody should talk to these people. What are they afraid of, the concrete ornaments catching a cold? :)
Traveler> WELCOME BACK!! >But how would you explain where all of the gargoyles technology went to... Or is it just waiting to be found...>:))< Hmmmm. Maybe, after several messy encounters with over-curious humans, they decided to hide all their technology away until we Earthlings were advanced enough to handle it. But, after five thousand years, they've forgot about it. Or... *stops for a second, realising what she is doing.* Okay. I give in. Resistance to this Creativity Demon is futile. :)
Well, that perfectly finishes off another visit to the CR. Jar-Jargonizer, dancing monkeys, that *shudders* Site Which Shall Remain Nameless, jumpers for lawn ornaments and velcro breasts *snickers (Mary, you're not the only one with a twisted sense of humour)*. This is why I don't miss my sanity!!!! *GRINS*
TTFN!
*RP*
Outside the Devestator, Fleur and her team, Traveler, the remaining Ravens, Shogun and his team are fighting the Borg that are not being crispy-fried by Traveler's orbital bombardment.
"Traveler," Fleur says, "One thing's been bugging me. We were attacking the Marsh Building to get his main computer. Why on earth, since you _owned_ Marsh, didn't you just order him to give you the information?"
Traveler grins insanely. "It was more fun blowing it up."
Fleur blinks, then shrugs and goes back to killing borg. "True."
*END RP*
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Monday, August 2, 1999 08:27:09 PM
IP: cow.cc.monash.edu.au
Can I play with Madness?
****WARNING: THIS IS AN RP. ACCORDING TO THE SURGEN GENERAL, AND ROBBY AND DUCE, TAKEING PART IN THESE OR EVEN READING THEM WILL CAUSE PERMANT INSANITY. SO READ ON AND JOIN OUR HAPPILY TWISTED RANKS!!! Join us... Join us...>: ****
Scene: Fleur's search and destroy party heading down a poorly lit corridor towards the next drone factory. *As they're heading down the corridor, Mist suddenly comes to a dead stop as if she senses something in the hall with them...* Mist*readying her chain gun*: Something not smell... feel right. Fleur: From where!? *Draws her sword from it's sheath.* Mist: Don't know... all around us... *Abruptly the shadows around them *PEEL* themselves from the walls and coalesce into a black form in front of them.* Traveler: How very perceptive of you Mist, here you get a gold star. *Traveler tosses the mutated cat a slightly bloody and Borgafied Texas Rangers badge.* Lets just say we won't be seeing any more Walker, Texas Ranger on CBS. hheheheheeheh... *Mist growls* Fleur: Traveler! I haven't seen you in awhile! What are you up to here? Doug, Kitainia, and the others had a little time to fill me in on what's been happening while I've been gone... and not all of it's been good whenever your name was mentioned. Traveler: Well, I haven't seen you around either for quite some time so I could ask you the same thing... But as for what I'm doing here, well I was off to the lower levels to lend a hand and a couple of thousand gallons of napalm to SJ and Wilek's group. You see, they're going to the engine room. Engine room means reactor. Reactor properly fiddled with or with a few well placed explosives means.... Fleur: KA-BOOM. Right? Traveler: hehehhahahahah Yep!!! Unfortunately, a few seconds ago I picked up a transmission from Wilek to Doug informing him that the charges were already set, so that kinda scrubs those plans... Hey since Wilek’s about to blow this place “into the next dimention” you and your team want to step outside to help Gubio and the rest of his team with the remaining Borg hords? That’s where I’m headed now, I’ve got a toy with me that I haven’t used in awhile. *Opens a dark energy vortex to the battleground outside of the Devastatior.* Fleur: Well I’m sure no one here, myself included, wants to be around when Wilek blows this thing, so let’s go. *As Fleur, Traveler and the rest of the team rush through the portal.*
*The portal closes and the scene fades out*
****WARNING: (Well actually this part is more like an announcement rather than a warning, but anyway...) END OF RP FOR NOW. (At least until the end of the body of this post.>:))****
Here I am again, and this time I will *TRY* and make this a short post. Okay.... you can stop laughing now.>:) But really I have a theory that if I can make shorter posts, I can post more often. My only problem is weaning myself away from the novels I tend to write.... I mean... my user name in this room has become a bloody reference word!!! And that gives me such a little ego boost and laugh since it proves that I’ve made enough of an impression on the rest of the regulars of this room that you still remember me... *hehehhehehehe* Now on to the dementia...
>To Everyone- HUGBEES!!!
>To all who have had Birthdays lately- HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!*Passes out Traveler Brand Flame Throwers with gift wrapping bows on them to each of the birthday boys and girls.* *Than with a slightly devilish lit to his voice* Enjoy! HEHEHEHHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
>Cyrway- *Falls to his knees and begins groveling* The keeper of the Multiverse has returned!!! (And there was much rejoicing.>:) Ahhh.... found a part time job AND got the State to stick it to your former employer after he tried to stick it to you eh? Bravo!!!>:)) <<Herbie the Love Bug/Outklaws crossover is ITP>> Your're sick. You do know that, right? I can't wait. <<MiSTing Dylan's Shadowplay series.>> EGADS!!!! ARE YE CRACKERS??? I read that... novel once when almost nobody knew about it and he was still releasing the last few chapters on the Can-Clan site... IT'S FREAKIN' HUGE!!! BTW, I found that Bio thing you sent me and all the other people on your mailing list with the header that JEB had started it. What exactly is it? Something along the lines of getting to better know your online buddies? Was I supposed to make up a bio for myself and send it to you and JEB? (JEB, if you're reading this feel free to jump in and answer if you can.) heheheheh... Jellybeans in the Grail... I wonder if that would keep them from going stale? >:)) Also, I read "The Shape of Things To Come" and "Party Krashers, Inc, The MiSTy Years: With No Mouth, It Is Difficult To Scream".... I will make more lengthy comments about them to you in an e-mail, but their is one thing I HAVE to know right now that's annoying the Hell out of me. It's something from the MiSTy of "No Mouth". Why exactly doesn’t White Zombie/Rob Zombie and Psychics mix? <<In case most ppl don't know, I hate most of the crap they play on the radio these days.>> Well it's not much better where I live either. (The Buffalo area. I'm close enough to pick up radio stations from it and the Canadian side of Niagara Falls, but far enough from the city that my chances of surviving a 20 Megaton Nuke aimed for it are around 90-100 percent!!! The best of both worlds!!! hahahhahaahhaa!!!) But really, the local stations only play (if ever) the same five Metallica tunes and ONCE recently I heard the local classic rock station play an Iron Maiden tune. I don't think I've ever heard an Iron Maiden tune on the radio before. As for the previously mentioned White Zombie/Rob Zombie stuff... heh, tune it to a Canadian station like 97.7 Hits FM It's sad but they play more metal than the US stations. They're pretty much it if you want to hear anything from the "Metal" category... Perhaps I should start my own pirate radio station... hehehehhe.... "Khaos radio, a wholly owned subsidiary of Khaos Inc. "Making life just a little bit more interesting for everyone."" The station slogan could be "F*#& tHe FcC!!!!". MMMUUUUAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!! And yes Metallica does seem to have... mellowed, unfortunately.
>Fleur- FLEUR!!!!!! You're back!!! Yea! Regarding the "Venus" theory. Interesting idea for a story if you played with the time frame "just a tad". But how would you explain where all of the gargoyles technology went to... Or is it just waiting to be found...>:))
>Wilek- Why don't I use a charged plasma thrower instead of my trusty flame thrower? Three reasons: Sure plasma will just rip through people and other stuff, but napalm BURNS... Next reason I'm a pyro. Fire! Fire! Fire! Last reason, I got a great deal on a truck load of them from some crazy Klingon arms dealer that Coyote the Bando once said he frequents... Why do you think I liberally pass them out?>:)) BTW, Here have one. *DisConnect witnesses the exchange and just starts to run for the hills.*
>Sevarius Jr.- An Orgy of Violence!!! An Orgy of Violence!!! An Orgy of Violence!!! (I like saying that for some reason...) On another note I also agree with your conclusion of the season finale Buffy Episode. Hope you don't mind me tagging along with your group in the RP for now.
>Duce- Hmmm... how to put this? Get your ass back in here.
>David G.- I read your first story and that "different" perspective your doing with your series looks like it will work very well. It felt fresh seeing things from the prospective of an "outsider" Also worth a mention is that you seemingly have a talent for action sequences.
****WARNING: THIS IS AN EPISODE SPOILER. THIS MEANS THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE LATEST EPISODE YET... DON'T READ THIS!!!!****
>Seeds of Change- For a season finally it was good. Note to all who said it had too many plot threads... Well gee, it's a season finale and a lot of stuff happened this season that needed to be at least partially resolved, PLUS the ground work for next season! Geez... Anyway to clarify a few points: First, that was the Morrigan in that picture, not the Banshee. Until I hear different from the TGS Staff, that's who it looks like to me. Secondly, the letter Matt Bluestone received <<"I got a federal grand jury summons, Hacker. What am I supposed to do?">> means that he has been called upon to TESTIFY before a Federal Grand Jury, not serve upon it. Hmmm... I wonder what about... hehhehehehe Only two signifigant complaints though. First with this being the season finally, there should have been more Pendragon episodes before this. These last couple of weeks sorely lacked them. Next was the quasi-world tour Brooklyn and crew went on. We defiantly should have seen much more of that. Especially when they met up with the London, Caledonian, Ishimura, New Olympian, and Chinese Clans. And Brooklyn's description of the battlefield outside of Rome reminds me of DragonBall Z for some reason.... hehehehhe "Spirit Bomb!!!" But anyway... A decent episode all around although the Pendragon parts WERE good (Arthur's in trouble... Arthur's in trouble... na na nyha na!!!) they felt like they were shoe horned in there. One last thing, Demona getting sloshed... pure brilliance. Okay two things that cannot go unmentioned: excellent art work, congratulations to all of the contributing artists. (Does anyone else realize that that pic of Deliala and Sharon is the first pic that actually shows us what Sharon's final mutate form is?) And the pics of Demona struggling with Andrea and her dress, and the Timedancer family were hilarious. Now all I have to do is keep myself from going completely bonkers until the new season comes out. Weather it's Dark Ages, Timedancer, Pendragon, or Gargoyles it doesn't matter because I read them all, I just want something good to read!!!
>To Kathy and Patrick Toman- Sorry to see you both leaving the staff, especially since often when I read the list of people responsible for "this week's episode", one or both of your names were frequently in there. But as you both implied, real life calls and we must all eventually answer. Great job on the series, and don't be strangers to this CR.
****WARNING: THIS IS THE END OF THE EPISODE SPOLIERS. FROM THIS POINT ON IT IS GENERALY SAFE TO READ WITHOUT FEAR OF SPOLIAGE. (WELL EXCEPT FOR FRUIT, VEGITABLES, DARIY PRODUCTS, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE REFREGIATED... WELL, YOU GET THE IDEA.)****
>IQ test- I took the IQ Test at http://www.iqtest.com/. (Thanks to Warpmind de InzanE) And guess what? I scored a 149 average. They also supplied a list of what your IQ score roughly means:
100 The average IQ Score.
120 Smart enough to finish most college undergraduate level courses.
130 Entry level "genius" score.
140 Definitely genius level.
150 Less than 1/2 of 1% of all IQ test takers achieve this score or higher.
My conclusion? If 100 is average... then this world truly is a scary place... And I'm smart enough to be one of the puppet masters... MMMUUUAAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Of course this may help explain why I'm a Republican...>:))
>Jewel Faulkner- Hey!!! Look who's back!!! Again!!! heheheh You mentioned learning Linux and becoming a computer geek? Well it's not so bad, and if you've seen "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" enough times to have most of the movie memorized... YOU'RE HALF WAY THERE!!! "A Duck!" "Correct! Who are you that is so wise is the ways of science?" hehehehehe
>To Someone whose name I regrettably can't recall right now- *Returns the secret Bungie Software handshake then whispers* Shhh... not so loud about the world domination plans... the walls here have ears...>:))
>Mary- <<I have very dark, sick humor. And man do I love it!!! Hehehehehehehehe....>> That my friend, is the best kind of humor.
****YEP, IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN!!! IT'S RP TIME!!!****
Scene: The battlefield outside the World Devastatior. Traveler’s portal opens close to the continuing battle between the Borg and Shogun Raptor’s team, Gubio and Tricia have just joined him, and Kitainia’s sister Stephanie is still trying to hack off Amanda’s head. Shogun Raptor*notices the portal while mowing down Borg with his claws*: Hey Gubio!!! What’s that? *Points to the portal* Gubio*Recognizing the distinctive dark energy portal*: Oh-no, not him again. *At this point Traveler pops out of the portal and Fleur and her team follows closely behind and join the on going battle.* Traveler*In a Dr. Nick Rivera way*: Hi everybody! Gubio*Turns to Shogun.*: That’s Traveler, you haven’t met him yet, but he pops in from time to time. He has a fondness for flame-throwers and very large explosions. Not to mention an extremely twisted sense of humor. If he’s here, just be ready to take cover.... Fleur: That’s sound advice if I ever heard any... Traveler: Hey?! What’s that for? We blew up a building together! Fleur: Actually, you blew it up, and that’s my point exactly. That reminds me what did you mean when you said you had a “toy” with you that you hadn’t used in a while? Oh, and duck. *Traveler does so and Fleur beheads a damaged borg who had snuck up behind Traveler and was about to impale him with its damaged weapons arm.* Traveler: Ouch. Thanks, that would have hurt... But to answer you question... *Opens a com channel on his forearm computer.* Traveler: Ignie Ferroque, this is Traveler. Target the remaining large clusters of Borg troops excluding the one we’re currently adjacent to. I want to see them BURN... Load the conventional Napalm and Incendiary loads. Target the surrounding area of the World Devestator with turbo lasers to clean up any Borg stragglers and target the Devastatior itself with the 4th particle beam array set to 11 percent power. Damage the outer hull ONLY, aim clear of the command center and engine room, I just what to shake things up a little bit on that thing. *Across the holographic screen the orbiting ship replies: “Commands received and acknowledged.* Fleur*Starting to get worried.*: Traveler.... what did you just... Traveler*Reaches into his duster and pulls out a Vietnam era US Army Air Cavalry hat which he places over his helmet.*: That’s right, I’m going to introduce the Borg to “The MAGIC of orbital bombardment”. *In the sky several flashes are seen as the cloaked ship begins to carry out its orders.* I love the smell of Napalm in the morning. It smells like..... Bar-be-que!!! MMMUUUAAAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! *Traveler then begins again to toast the surrounding Borg with streams of napalm from his flame-thrower while laughing insanely.* Shogun*Overhears Fleur and Travelers conversation as he rips a Borg’s arms off and begins to beat it with them. He turns to Gubio and says*: Is that what you meant by “just be ready to take cover”? Gubio*takes a look at the incoming ordnance from space then goes back to blasting apart the Borg.*: Yep...
*Scene fades out.*
****YES, CHILD. HAVE NO FEAR, FOR THIS TRULY IS THE END OF THE RP AND THIS POST.****
"Don't you understand!? How can you not!? I must destroy this world and all who exist upon it because when I was a young demi-god, no more than 800 years old, I had explosive flatulence!!! AND ALL OF THE OTHER DEMI-GODS AND HUMANS LAUGHED AT ME!!!! It was so humilating... They nick-named me little poo-poo. But it also proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that all other beings besides me are imperfect and cannot feel real emotions for each other... it's all lies... lies... because they laughed... So I must destroy it all and start anew." -Fei Fong Poo
"Yes Fei Fong Poo, we understand now. You are INSANE!!! You're so caught up with your self pity that you never understood the singular truth of the universe: Toilet humor is the hallmark of truly advanced and intelligent beings. Take the British or the North Americas' for example." -Lactos Theintolerant
RUSTYGEARS (The greatest friggan' game that was and will ever be made because I say so.>:))
Traveler - [traveler45@geocities.com]
Monday, August 2, 1999 08:00:45 PM
IP: 98aad0f4.ipt.aol.com
People, I'm happy to report 'We Have A Life'¡¡¡
While perusing the Onelist list of craft lists, I ran accross one devolted to making clothes for yard ducks. That's right. People make clothes for their lawn ornaments. Now if it were lawn gargoyles I could understand.
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, August 2, 1999 07:46:15 PM
IP: proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net
OK, one more post for the day and this is pretty funny (or sick).
I got this funny idea of an invention for the American woman. The Velcro Breast. See, if you don't like your chest size, you can swap them with someone. And these aren't fake breasts, these are the real thing with Velcro attached to the back and to your chest where it goes. Plus if you're on a date with a touchy-feely type and you're not in the mood, just take them off and say, "Here! You want to touch 'em? Go play with these for about a half hour!" Another nice thing is that with the Velcro Breast, you can wear any kind of shirt, dress or whatever! You can be any size to wear anything! :P
I have very dark, sick humor. And man do I love it!!! Hehehehehehehehe....
Mary
Monday, August 2, 1999 07:34:39 PM
IP: stk-ts4-h1-21-180.ispmodems.net
Oops. Welik=Wilek *rips typo demon's throat out* hehehehe... :)
Mary
Monday, August 2, 1999 06:56:28 PM
IP: stk-ts4-h1-21-102.ispmodems.net
Welik>Actually, somebody of that medical field is already having a field day with me. ;P BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mary Flanders
Monday, August 2, 1999 06:53:21 PM
IP: stk-ts4-h1-21-102.ispmodems.net
Warpmind><<Unbreakable composite bo? Forget about it, I'm looking for Rattan bamboo, which at least is able to bend slightly; you can tak a bo, swing it with all your might into a brick wall, and lo and behold: the bo is unscathed, and there be a dent in the wall.... Oh, all right, you might get some minor splinters off of the bo afterwards, but still...>> Good stuff, rattan... if you're still looking, try a company called Cold Steel at: (http://www.coldsteel.com) Go to Cold Steel Products, and check out the Lathi. Good stuff
Gunjack Valentine
Monday, August 2, 1999 06:01:17 PM
IP: spider-wk021.proxy.aol.com
Well, the boss is out of town until Thursday. AND I'M IN CHARGE. Power is mine. HAHAHAHHAHAHA!! Not only that but my yarn kit came in the mail today.
Zath were all the teeth on one side?? Last time the dentist saved a tooth by doing a rootcanel, I ended up finding out the hard way that I can't take amoxycilian. Stiff neck, and a rash and I still have a couple of scars from it. Hope you can at least eat. Poor baby <HUGS> I know I was miserable with only one pulled at a time.
Stephen did you get a copy of Marion's writers guide? She obscessivly picky about people who haven't. Wishing you luck.
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, August 2, 1999 05:58:27 PM
IP: proxy-443.public.paix.webtv.net
**Mandi does a double take.** Oh my God! The room is loading! It's loading! Yaaaay!
Ahem. Sorry, but the network at work today was so slow I couldn't get anything to load on Netscape or IE. It kept slowing down to 20 bytes/sec. Grrr... I'm so happy to be home tying up the phone line again...
Coyote> Glad to hear your grandma's doing better. :)
Gunjack> I first found out what fanfic was when I got off of AOL in June of '96 and did a search for "The Tomorrow People," a short-lived British sci-fi show that aired on Nickelodeon. I happened to chance across the TPFICT archive, and discovered fanfic. Out of curiosity, I started looking up other shows, and Gargoyles was the first that came to mind. I immediately found the GFW fanfic archive, and after going nuts reading everything I could, decided to try my hand at it. I was watching "Walkabout" at the time, and wondered how Dingo planned to teach that metal blob. From that came my first short fanfic. :)
Almost 5:30... better get off and call Mom to let her know the car battery's gone schizo...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, August 2, 1999 05:24:42 PM
IP: pm3-3-ppp32.iximd.com
Stephen: $ We didn't know that about proton torpedoes, thanks for telling us. As for it not having much effect on us inside the ship, the ship is probably assimilated to them already due to Wilek's fleet's bombardments, and so since the torpedo hit the floor it would probably absorb at least 80% of the blast. Guod may have downgraded his torpedoes into anti-personnel instead of anti-ship warheads too. $
Will post more later, I have to go now.
Doug
Monday, August 2, 1999 02:13:55 PM
IP: pool-209-138-62-13.dlls.grid.net
Argent - Atalanta was in "Coming of Age Part 2." I guess you see why her image isn't used very often. It doesn't work.
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - I'll look up your fanfics, though the fanfic archives is behaving very strangely for me. Keeps saying my browser did something illegal, which is a lie (which inspired me to use this particular image to accompany my post).
Does the fanfic archives cause as much trouble for Netscape users as it does for IE4?
Jenniren
Monday, August 2, 1999 01:26:59 PM
IP: user-2ivf18c.dialup.mindspring.com
Aaron: Unbreakable composite bo? Forget about it, I'm looking for Rattan bamboo, which at least is able to bend slightly; you can tak a bo, swing it with all your might into a brick wall, and lo and behold: the bo is unscathed, and there be a dent in the wall.... Oh, all right, you might get some minor splinters off of the bo afterwards, but still...
On a side note: I just re-read (oh, yet again) Harmful Intent by Robin Cook... anybody here ever read it? Anybody here going for pain instead of anaesthetics? Anybody get funny ideas? Oh, um, I mean...
While I recall, be careful with your elbows, it's the joint that is among the easiest to break through stupidity, and it's usually a slow healer.
And now for a quote before leaving:
"Son, it is my wish that you take over the family business."
"Forget about it, old-timer, the family business is a drop in the ocean anyway."
"True, but don't forget: a small drop in a big ocean can create very large rings."
-Unknown source
That's ale, folks.
**brings up a gatling from an A-10 and drains it into the body of DC! "Hey, that was fun. Anybody else cre to try?"**
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, August 2, 1999 12:48:57 PM
IP: mp-217-240-95.daxnet.no
Greetings all...
KITANIA - Um, just to clarify for the RP, Jake never got a shot off against Goud, because Two-of-one burst in with reinforcements. And further, taking care of Goud was the last thing furthest from my mind! I just needed a good excuse to have Jake and Jess show up to deal with Two-of-One. (BTW, don't you think detonating a proton torp in confined quarters-- even for this RP --is a tad unrealistic? Those things are meant to rip large sections of hullmetal to atoms! If one of those went off inside a ship... woe to personel too close to ground-zero!)
Besides, the battle to come between the girls should be interesting! :) Stay tuned.
PAUL NATHANS - Ah, I see! So this award is for Best Fanfic, according to you. Well, I'm glad to see that! :) Need to make a place for it on my page...
JENNIREN - Yes, I've delved into the Avalon clan in a few of my stories, more notably "In Avalon's Nursery" and "Longings" for my own fanfics, and "Reunions" for TGS has a glimpse of them as well. I'm also returning to Avalon in my closing chapter of my first fanfic series "Generations Quest", so you will be able to see more of the Avalon clan (at least my version) there.
AARON - Vixen? Hmmm... a plague of CD's are swarming! :)
A QUICK NOTE - I sent off my first original story to MZB's Fantasy Magazine, so here's crossing fingers that I either make it, or I get at least a positive rejection letter.
COYOTE - Glad to hear your Gran is improving! Will continue to pray for her continued recovery!
Well, that's all from me for now! Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, August 2, 1999 12:48:44 PM
IP: m98.ieway.com
Sorry Wilek Nereus and Jeniren. (doesn't think it was so hard for someone to demand an apolgy without cursing). I apologise for yelling. Oh yes Thresa honer has changed so much over the centuries (shakes head missing the old code as Draco called it)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, August 2, 1999 12:37:07 PM
IP: dt041n34.san.rr.com
Here's a pic that doesn't get alot of use. Anyone remember what DA story Atalanta is in?
(Argent finally breaks into the CR and throws a couple of water balloons filled with nitro glycerine at DC)
_That_ was for the glitch in the e-mail, not letting me connect all weekend, not letting me load all of last week's CR, and frustrating my sis with Microsoft Word's images.
(Argent looks at how far behind she is and falls over anime-style) Oooooh, man! I'm sorry if anyone posted anything to me, but I can only load 'bout half the CR and I don't have time to read it! :(
COYOTE> Glad your grandma's better!
ZATH> EIGHT teeth? Yeesh, my sympathies!
***RP!***
(On the spot where the Pokemon battle between Argent and Ash (anyone remember that?) was taking place, only one person is standing. Okay, technically the figure is leaning on a tree for support. Jewel*D is nowhere to be seen.)
"Game, set... match." (Argent grinds out, looking at the borgified Pokemon trainer sprawled on the ground.) "That was a cheap shot with the Muk." [a really nasty poison Pokemon, for those of you who don't know]
"Thanks for the help." (Argent says, addressing a small figure examining Ash.)
"Pika, pi pikachu." (Pikachu [One of the few Pokemon who wasn't assimilated] nods sadly.) "Pikachu pika?"
"I don't know. Maybe my friends will know a way to help him." (Argent hands Pikachu a white crystal with a silver button.) "If-no WHEN they come out of there, make sure someone gets this, okay?"
"Ka chu."
"Thanks. I'm just sorry I couldn't have helped more." (The sigh ends in a heavy fit of coughing. Argent taps a symbol on her wrist and disapears.)
***END RP***
$NOTE TO RPers> I need someone to pick up Pikachu and help him if you can, please. The device I've given him will be useful eventually, but not until I'm back from my RL vacation.$
Gotta Jet, I'm off to play Riven. Go Tribe!
Argent
in pain (the novicane is starting to wear off), USA
Monday, August 2, 1999 11:57:56 AM
IP: dyn038-nas02.marietta.frognet.net
Forgot to add-- Christine- thanks for responding about Ebon
Coyote- your'e still in my thoughts-hang in there.
Shauntell- hugs to ya girl!!
Jenna
Monday, August 2, 1999 11:12:23 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Aaron wrote - [If I was Xanatos, this would've been one of my biggest fears: That Coyote would go Frankenstein and demand to be built a mate. Maybe something named Vixen. (Aaron conjures vision of COYOTI 6.0 singing The Doors' "Build Me a Woman".]
Now that image will be with me the rest of the day and I won't be able to get anything done because I can't stop laughing. What, Hyena wasn't good enough?
hehehehehehehe :D
Shoot. People are staring at me...
Jenniren
Monday, August 2, 1999 11:12:16 AM
IP: user-2ivf1b1.dialup.mindspring.com
Aaron-- ah, thanks for the DeepBlueSea review-- I was wondering if it was any good.
Servious Jr-- Mentioned about 2 weeks ago that I saw the Blair Witch-- scared the hell out of me. Pretty much agree with your words on it.
Spike-- Liked your panels for GMC-- :)
Demona May-- hi!
Hello to the rest of ya all!
Jenna
Monday, August 2, 1999 11:04:10 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com
Aaron wanders into the CR, trying to see if DC Binks is still around. Finding this sadly to be the case, Aaron pulls an M-14 from under his coat and blows the new, more annoying critter's head off.
Ahhh, good old 7.62mm Full Metal Jacket.
Surprised to find no one talking about this thing in Atlanta. Hmmm, a 44-year old day trader walked into a brokerage office and shot a bunch of people. I don't think the powers that be can pin this one on Doom and Marilyn Manson. On with replies...
Robby> I get my Creativity Demons from the same place as most people, I guess. Too much caffine, and not enough sleep.
Real Ghostbusters> My fave cartoon as a kid. I always wanted a copy of Tobin's Spirit Guide, that book Egon was always quoting. Speaking of RGB, does anybody remember the ep where Egon started to get younger? Hmm, becoming possessed by another CD.
SOROW> If I see him, I'll let you know. BTW, if anybody in the Tallahasse area runs into my brother, a short dead ringer for the kid from Third Rock, smack him for me.
It is good to have him gone for a while. Without him to take up the computer, I now have no excuse not to get writing done. Hmmm, maybe that's not such a good thing.
Speaking of my brother, I will never understand that kid. For years, he has resisted all my attempts to get him intrested in anime. Then he goes to one meeting of our local anime club, (SAAS, run by the illustrious Elin Winkler) and he tells me he wants to go with me to A-kon next year. Go fig.
Warpmind> Maybe you should look for one of those "unbreakable" plastic composite bos.
Shogun Raptor> No way. Tim Curry looks way better in drag then Kevin Kleine. What? Quit looking at me like that.
David G> Kill the Tetris guy?!? No way! I always danced with along with him.
Frankenstein> If I was Xanatos, this would've been one of my biggest fears: That Coyote would go Frankenstein and demand to be built a mate. Maybe something named Vixen. (Aaron conjures vision of COYOTI 6.0 singing The Doors' "Build Me a Woman"
Rolling Calf> Welcome back.
Wilek> Jack also uses the space in back to hold his pizza deliveries. And maybe, in future fics, Delilah.
Coyote> Glad your grandmother is doing better.
***********Review w/spoilers for Deep Blue Sea***********
Not bad. Had some exciting moments, some good lines, kinda Jurassic Park meets Sphere, but much better then either. Not a stickler for formula either, as several people you don't expect get eaten. (BTW, what else has Saffron Burrows been in? I know I've seen her somewhere before)Personally, I thought LL Cool J stole that movie. My only complaint was that we didn't get clear enough looks at the sharks for them to develop clear personalities. Aaron Bob says 3.5/5 skulls, check it out.
Also, of the five previews before it, I didn't see one I wouldn't go see. Always a good sign.
******************End Review****************************
Almost forgot, Cyrway was right. Metallica should not do Bob Segar covers.
Later.
Aaron wanders away, singing "I wanna be a drill instructer"
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, August 2, 1999 10:56:18 AM
IP: ppp-73.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net
First off, I want to say thank you to Robby, Theresa (Starsinger), and Wilek for sticking up for me. It's been a long time since anyone stuck up for me like that so it kind of brings a tear to my eye.
Zath - You had eight teeth taken out?!? :€ Ouch!!! I hope you're able to find some decent classes to fill out your schedule.
Paul - I know gargoyles protect, but what would they be protecting Titania and Oberon from in Avalon? If there's something there that could threaten Titania and Oberon, I'd like to know more about it. If there isn't, at least some of the clan might be getting restless by now, especially if they've been honing their battle skills. And if a few of the Avalon gargoyles are getting restless, Titania might send them on a quest of some sort. I thought it might make an interesting story - and a way to get to know a few members of the Avalon clan a little better. We know so little about them. Maybe Brooklyn has a little brother who'd be interested in adventuring. Maybe Thersites has a little brother too, who'd be best buds with Brooklyn's brother and would be dragged along on the trip.
How big is Avalon? Does it have wild areas with hidden treasures which Titania might want someone to go in search of? - or something potentially dangerous which Titania would want investigated? If so, a quest wouldn't necessarily have to take place in the outside world.
Has anyone written fanfics about the Avalon clan?
Jenniren
Monday, August 2, 1999 10:31:06 AM
IP: user-2ivf1b1.dialup.mindspring.com
Wilek> (Hope I spelled your name right - I usually just paste it in to save the trouble) I use my Yahoo account whenever I think I might get spammed. It has a cool address blocker feature, and I can always dump it if I have to. So far though, Xoom hasn't been a problem. When I signed up, I said "no" to almost everything they wanted to send me e-mail about. I really just wanted the buyer's club stuff.
Delphi> I didn't get much done, because my brother came over to spend the night. He's thinking about moving to Arlington, and looking for a job. He also drove me to work this morning so I could put my car in the shop...again.
Gunjack> Oh. I started reading around the first of the year, mostly the TGS series', but also a little fanfic. Before that, I read an ocassional story that someone suggested to me, but not very much.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, August 2, 1999 09:02:16 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3
Stephen R. Sobotka-Sorry I forgot this last Post.
You're welcome.
The Alpha Award is my First Place Award for Fanfiction. There's Awards above it, something for Grand Prize, something for Award of Distinction, and then the XENOGEARS Award of Excellence, the highest I can give. The winner of the latter is Mieu Sedai for her REBORN AGAIN, which happens to be my second-favorite Story out of all forms of Stories. Its Fanfiction, but its my second-favorite Story. The Alpha Award is First Place in the normal Categories, for excellent Fanfictions.
Kitainia-Thank you for the compliments on BREATH OF FIRE: MYRIA'S LEGACY. Chapter 2 was not too swift compared to anything I've achieved later in the Story. Its got so much material to cover that it'll probably be around 75 Chapters. You can still make a Preliminary Review.
Avalon Gargoyles-Gargoyles protect. End of story. You don't notice the Manhattan Gargoyles out looking for adventure, they patrol. Just like the Avalon Gargoyles presumedly do. Sure, Avalon's probably not going to be easily found, but gargoyles don't take chances. Gargoyles protect. End of story.
Kitainia Again-Snobbish!? Now tht's one way to put Nall's behavior. I prefer to think he didn't like Ruby's attitude, nevermind being bitten. He's also protective of the kids, and that's not a bad thing.
Interesting part with Taben Peak.
I was so used to just going to talk to people that when I walked in to talk to Lucia when she was bathing it didn't occur to me until right before the Anime Scene that I wasn't supposed to be intruding on someone's privacy. Ah, well, it was apparently what I was supposed to do. Still, having the Game force someone to do that. Oysh.
Did you notice what Taben's Peak is the remains of?
Also, another question.
What was your initial reaction to hearing Ghaleon's voice and then seeing him, if you were there at that part? If not, what was your initial reaction from hearing it, since 9/1 Doug told you?
Concerning Azado, you're welcome, again.
"Why such reluctance to become one with God, Lacan? What possible attachment could you have to this wretched old world? Hurting others, hurting yourself, grinding each other down... Only to inevitably die and return to dust."-Krelian
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Monday, August 2, 1999 08:38:12 AM
IP: 102.morristown-01-02rs.nj.dial-access.att.net
Demona May>*just seen your odd Pix* YOU RULE! :):!!!
*bounces*
If ya want some artworx in any kind ,or a portrait of you or someone else ,Then Write me!
Exin - [exin@gmx.de]
Leipzig, Saxonia, Germany
Monday, August 2, 1999 07:43:23 AM
IP: 193.97.193.250
Hi all!!
**RICKY MARTIN'S JOYRIDE'O'PAIN CONTINUES**
Xanathar makes his way to the back hearse and opens the door again.
"what are you doing back there Xanathar?"said Pistoff.
"I'm just checking on Ricky,I think he might be unconcious" said Xanathar as he began hauling Ricky into the back of the moving hearse.
Ricky was indeed unconcious so Xanathar produced a bottle of smelling salts and waved it under whats left of Rickys nose.
Ricky immediately came round and found himself staring face to face with a grinning Xanathar chainsaw in hand.
G'DAY RICKY!! said Xanathar and then proceeded to saw of Rickys right arm provoking a fresh chorus of screams from Ricky,Xanathar then throws him out the back of the hearse once again and watches him bouncing off the gravel road briefly.
"Hey Pistoff you wanna take the next limb off him">:)said Xanathar and then turned towards Jack.
"Sorry bout the mess in the back of the car Jack BTW I think this would make a great hood ornament"gesturing towards Rickys severd arm>:)
**TO BE CONTINUED..**
Wilek:You're welcome and that Jar Jar Jargoniser*shakes head*and I thought I was demented:)
Pistoff re assassin website:*ROTFLMAO*EAT!,EAT!,EAT!,EAT!>:)
Iron Giant:Sounds like this is going to be a good movie and I agree with Entity I hope Disney will pick up their game after this.
Todd:Great comparison between Goliath and the Frankenstien monster.
C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Monday, August 2, 1999 07:34:43 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74
Pistoff>> I too have that problem. "Is this the Sonic on Central?" "Which one do you want?" "Is Mickey there?" "Which Sonic did you want? We don't have a Mickey." "The one on Central. I want to talk with the manager." "I am the manager." "Which Sonic did you want. There are three on Central." And we can go on and on this way. The real bad part is the Westside store and ours has the difference between 6320 SE -my store, and 6420 SW -the westside store. The handicap van has even taken our handicap helper Alex to the wrong store a couple of times. We worked it out with her so she can tell the driver how to find the correct store.
Wilek - It's bad enough that most people can't speak English all that well, but now you want it translated into JarJar speak. You are warped.
Station 8 comment room has been having a discussion about MacBeth, honor and listening to advisors.
How much has our concept of HONOR changed over the years. Is it still the same from when MacBeth was king? Is it better or worse when dealing with famility, kingdom, or the lower classes? Is there any separation between what you say and what you do. People are saying Macbeth had a quick reaction to banishing his nephew Canmore. I feel that since Canmore was family, Macbeth was reluctant to kill him and not that it was or was not the honorable thing to do.
Starsinger
Who had an enjoyable Sunday afternoon in the park with the SCA, bellydance troupes, and martial arts demos. It was Arts-in-the-Parks Renaissance Faire.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, August 2, 1999 07:09:01 AM
IP: proxy-383.public.rwc.webtv.net
**RICKY MARTIN'S JOYRIDE CONTINUES**
"Ninety-five in third gear," Pistoff says. "Not bad."
"Oh, you ain't seen nothin' yet." Jack shifts up to forth and guns it. Ricky screams again, his voice wavering like Katherine Hepburn's as he bounces on the ground at 120 miles per. Pistoff and Xanathar look over their shoulders at just the right moment.
"Oops, there goes the other leg!" Pistoff grins--then everyone bounces as the hearse lurches. "What was that?"
Xanathar stares out the back of the hearse, frowning. "It looks like...what's left of Jerry Springer."
"Oh," Jack says with a shrug. "No major loss, there. The guy was a dung beetle. This'll improve the gene pool."
He kicks it up to fifth gear and screws it on, increasing the speed to 150 mph. Ricky's screams are drowned out by the roar of the huge engine....
**TO BE CONTINUED**
Ahh, that felt good. After the way the last few days have gone, I really needed that. :)
STUPID CUSTOMER STORY!
Me: "Thank you for choosing Coos Bay Pizza Hut..."
Customer: "Do you deliver to North Bend?"
Me: "No, the North Bend Pizza Hut delivers there."
Customer: "You don't deliver here?"
Me: "That's what I said."
Customer: "Aren't you the North Bend Pizza Hut?"
Me: "Remember when I answered the phone? I said 'Coos Bay Pizza Hut,' didn't I?"
Customer: "Well...yeah..."
Me: "That's a pretty big clue, there, bubba."
Customer: "Huh...I must've called the wrong one, then."
Me: "I guess you did. Check out the phone numbers--Coos Bay's prefixes are 266, 267, and 269. The North Bend prefixes are 756 and 751. Not similar at all. Dunno how you can get those mixed up."
Customer: "Well...I guess I better call the North Bend one, then..."
Me: "That might be wise, yes."
That's when I hung up. The disturbing thing is that almost half of the phone calls I answer are like this one. Yeesh! Yeah, they always manage to find me....
Coyote: Glad your grandmother's doing better. **hugz right back :)** Glad you like the design of the hearse, too. I checked out the Motor Trend site, but didn't find the contest you mentioned. When does it start? Or did I just not see it there? Anyway, yes, Cthulhu is a stick-shift, and yes, it does have landau bars. :) Wow...every major trend in American automotive history, eh? Gee, I didn't realize I'd hit on all of that stuff. Basically, I was thinking of Jack's character and wondering what kind of car he would drive. The hearse seemed appropriate...but a guy who carries a cattle prod and a .54 Magnum on the job needed something *special* hehehe. ;)
TRC: Welcome back!
Wilek: Yeah, Jack stores lots of stuff in the back of his hearse. He's got a cooler there filled with Fukola Cola (and before Birdsong ignores this post, let me point out that the name is pronounced "foo-kola" :) and other Skeleteens beverages. The things he stores there depend on what he's currently up to. For instance, in my "Jack beats the crap out of Oberon" story, he loaded Cthulhu up with a wide variety of weapons, all loaded with iron bullets, of course.... ;) Oh, and the Jar-Jargonizer...oh gaaaaawwwwwd! ROTFLMAO!!!
And now for some more stupidity. This one comes from the 365 Stupidest Things Ever Said calendar. It's from a list of swimming pool suggestions posted at Plantation Bay Resort, Philippines....
Open 24 hours. Lifeguard on duty 8 AM to 8 PM.
Drowning absolutely probibited.
And, finally, click my link to see the latest addition to the Assassin website. Yes, this time your target is The Taco Bell Chihuahua! Hoo-ah!! :)
Pistoff - [pistoff@anti-social.com]
Monday, August 2, 1999 04:32:04 AM
IP: wire-1.koalas.com
Hi all. I hope everyone had a better week than I did. I flew to LA for college orientation shortly after my last post. (A plane *did* crash a couple of days later, but this time I wasn't linked to it in any way like I was to the previous two) It looks like USC is going to be fun, but the trip could have been better. For starters, the dorm building I stayed in was in the process of being renovated, and due to some mix up with the contractor, none of the bathrooms had stalls separating the toilets for the first night and half of the next day. (I'm so glad I'm going to be in an apartment instead of a dorm. I'd rather share a single bathroom with 3 other people than have to worry about remembering to bring my keys when shower.) Then I fried my brain on the placement tests. When class registration finally rolled around, I ended up running out of time, so I had to leave for the airport without doing it. The next morning (Friday) I got eight teeth taken out and pretty much spent the rest of the day unconscious except for a half hour long distance call where I wrestled with USC's touch-tone registration system. The good news is that I got two of the classes I needed even though I was probably one of the very last people to register. The bad news is that there were two other classes I didn't get, so now I need to do a frantic search for something that still has space and doesn't conflict with the two classes I already have, because if I don't have at least 4 more credits in my schedule I'll only be considered a part time student and lose my scholarship (which would result in me having to attend the dinky local community college). The weekend itself has been spent lying around, catching up on the room, icing my face (I've swelled up so much that I look like either a chipmunk, or Jay Leno's long lost daughter), and waiting for my mouth to stop bleeding. **sigh** Sorry, I didn't mean to go on like that, but I needed to vent.
Fleur> <<Since we're an imaginative lot, it's not that big a leap to say that those winged beings may have come from Venus>> That would also explain why gargoyle wings seem to be so well developed, but are only good for gliding. With Venus's lower gravity, they'd be able to fly.
Christine> I loved the Sith want ad. I just wish I had read it while the anesthetic (the local stuff, not general) was still in effect, because I literally laughed so hard my face hurt.
Entity> <<How pathetic that in the attempt to stay true to the book, they do just what all the other Hollywood versions did and embellish... only the Hollywood versions never claimed to be faithfull.>> When my class read Frankenstein, we had an assignment where we had to watch that movie and list over a hundred ways it differed from the book. (I actually got up to around 110 or so before class was over)
Gunjack> <<Procrastinators unite!>> Maybe tomorrow... : )
Coyote> I'm glad your grandmother is doing better.
Zath
Monday, August 2, 1999 03:46:48 AM
IP: ns5-15.viptx.net
**RP!**
[The team has deactivated the force field around the engine core and is finished setting the proton charges. Wilek: "Command line: active recieve state." Indicator lights on the charges change from green to red, to signify that they will now blow up upon detecting the detonation signal. Wilek contacts Doug, only to hear gunfire and explosions over his commlock. Doug: "Wilek? We kinda have our hands full right now!" Wilek: "Then I'll keep it short: The charges are set and my team is ready to evacuate." Doug: "Then have a squadron or two of your best fighters patrol the area around the Devastator. I'll explain l--" The transmission is cut off. Wilek looks concerned for a moment, then contacts the station to inform Agent Rho of Doug's request. Jake: "Maybe we should go see if his team is OK." Wilek: "Our presence there could complicate what already sounds like a bad situation. We'll stay behind in case they call for backup, but we'd probably better not go charging into the command center or wherever they are."]
**END RP!**
Gunjack> <<When did you first get involved in fanfics, and what got you started?>> A Blaisism thingie in the other CR that everyone loved. Someone commented that I should write fanfic. And I did. :) <<actually, I was wondering when you had first started READING fanfics... or is that what you were refering to?>> Huh? Oh...honestly, I never really read much fanfic. I've read a few, but usually I don't have the time for much beyond TGS and WCC.
$Doug> You brought back the X-Wing. Kewl. Hey, does that fighter still have an astromech, or was that replaced by a Borg something-or-other? :) $
Demona May> Hi again. :) At the moment, I'm trying to think of a commission or two to give you. But, for once, I can't decide on one. Oh well. :)
Pistoff> Cthulhu sounds like an...interesting car. Tell me, does Jack use the space in back to store anything? Or do I want to know? ;)
Xanathar> <<BTW you do know about the save game patch that they made for it a while back,it does make it slightly easier.>> Yes, actually...but, for some reason, I had to make a batch file in order to get it to work. And it's supposed to enable the cheat codes, but...<sigh> Oh well. Thanks for informing me anyhow. :)
Mary Flanders> <<I don't know if Lecht is how you spell it, and Mutti is Mommy. I'm saying, "Lick my ass Mom!" or "F*** you Mom!">> Ah. Freud would have a field day with you. ;P j/k
David G.> You're putting your site on Xoom...? Er...word of advice, friend: Don't give them an e-mail address you use frequently. Give them a Yahoo account or something. I did this, and the resultant voluminous spam was fortunately directed away from my native mailbox.
James Birdsong> OK, that was out of line. I'd probably better let the CR administrator handle this, but I just want to say that you had no right to treat Jenniren that way. >:(
Todd> Fascinating little analysis; I had no idea Goliath had that much in common with Frankenstein's monster...
Entity> Wait a minute...<<I too am just now starting my summer assigned reading>> Um...your school makes you do what amounts to homework over the summer? <long stunned silence> Where is this school? I have to have fairly exact coordinates in order to orchestrate a tactical nuclear strike.
Coyote> I'm very glad your grandmother's recovering. :)
Jenniren> <<Do the Avalon gargoyles ever DO anything? Does Avalon ever send any of them out on quests? I would think hanging around Oberon's palace all their lives would get pretty boring and some of them might volunteer to go out on quests for Oberon or Titania.>> Hm, interesting question. There's always hunting for food. And perhaps they occasionally go out into the world to see what's changed every few years (our time) or so.
SJ> Family trip's been postponed again? Hm...with any luck, it'll be postponed until after school starts, and then you CAN'T go, and considering that you consider school to be the lesser of two evils...if this doesn't happen, then good luck surviving the thing.
Robby> <<And everyone else, if James does not appologize, do not say a single word to him whatever he posts.>> Will do. Or not do, as the case may be. Whatever. :) After this post, I shall set about actively ignoring Mr. Birdsong. <directs one final elaborate Sith expletive at James before commencing active ignorement>
TRC> Welcome back! :D
$Kitainia> Wild magic...pure chaos unleashed. I am duly impressed (and the irony of using this on Borg is not lost on me ^_^).$
Oh, and click my name. Y'all *have* to see this. :)
Wilek Nereus
Monday, August 2, 1999 03:22:44 AM
IP: tnt-2-202-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
**LONG RP HERE**
Guod flips away from Jake's shot, landing in the middle of his newly arrived legions. "Attack them!" he shouts at the group, gesturing at the Ravens. The Borg drones nod and rush to comply. Guod ignores Two-of-One as she pleads with him to flee, ignoring her as Jess attacks his lieutenant and the room erupts in battle. "I have to take out Doug," he says to himself, walking back to his X-Wing like a man posessed. "My original is here, now I must eliminate him. I may never get another chance." Chuckling he settles himself back into the X-Wing's cockpit. "I've made a few improvements to this ship," Guod laughs as he presses a few buttons. "Damage being regenerated," a disembodied computer voice from the X-Wing intones. "Rerouting weapon relay systems to B coupling." Guod starts to maniacally laugh.
Nearby, Doug, Kit, and the others stagger back as Jaden rushes to join them. "Found this on our way in," Shap says, handing the werewolf his axe as soon as he asks for it. "Been saving it for you." "Thanks," Jaden nods, accepting his weapon with a grin. "Thank you, Jake," Kit tells the other ally standing amongst them. "That was great how you came in and busted them all up." "They're not all dead yet!" Jake reminds her, pointing at the legion rushing towards them. "Let's not be celebrating!" The Ravens and Jaden nod in agreement, most of them rushing to Jake's side to hold back the legion while Jess and Two-of-One continue their fight. Doug, Kit, and Lathrop are about to rush toward the legion themselves when a chorus of familiar moronic chuckling echoes from close to them. "Oh no," Doug gasps. "Don't tell me those two are..." "That's right!" Stuart declares as he, Borgis, and Butt-Borg flow back into being. "Your friend forgot about our Phalanx regeneration upgrades! Now we shall kick your ass!" "Good speech, Stuart," Butt-Borg chuckles, laughing as he advances on the three Ravens. "Yeah," Borgis agrees, revving an implanted chainsaw. "Welcome to the jungle, baby! You're gonna die!! Dadadadadada!! Dadadadada!!"
**PUTTING RP IN SUSPENSE SO KITAINA MAY POST**
Greetings, sounds like most of us had a nice weekend overall. That's good. Doug and I both did a lot of work done today, and later we enjoyed an evening of me playing Lunar 2 on the borrowed Sega CD while he worked on his current fanfic project. It's been fun, hope we have more days like this in the four weeks of summer vacation that remain. :)
Thanks to everyone for the welcome backs, welcome to all newcomers. Welcome back to TRC, SJ, and Gunjack. Now on with a few replies.
Gunjack: I first got involved in reading Gargs fanfics in late '96. Like most people I found GFW through a Yahoo search and the first stories I read were Christine's and Merlin Missy's followed by the Athenaverse. Then I read Doug's, and found them pretty good despite the many imperfections (which we ended up discussing shortly after we first met and I realized who he was). Overall I'm really glad I got involved in reading fanfics and probably always will be. Many great stories have been posted on the web by a lot of interesting people I'm now glad to have made friends with via this room. I will keep reading their work and enjoying it as long as it continues to be posted. Thanks to all writers for the entertainment they've provided, hope I get more of it soon. :)
By the way, the story you're thinking of is "I'm Sorry." I can't remember who wrote it but I recall the plot you mentioned. I agree that it's very good.
Paul: Thanks for the links, and for the heads-up on Azado. I was surprised by how much Nall has grown into an obnoxious snob. :) On another note, Doug and I found time to read some of Myria's Legacy this afternoon. We think you're doing a great job so far, you have the characters grasped well and are taking their development and the plot in many interesting new directions. We're only up to the fourth chapter right now, so we really can't do a review, but I will say that so far the story is keeping us interested, and proceeding very well. Hope to soon be able to say more.
Iron Giant: Haven't seen this yet, hope it's as good as everyone's been saying it is. Doug and I will probably check it out this weekend along with Mystery Men.
Frankenstein: I too hated the movie but really enjoyed the book. I think the main reason the movie was inferior was not just the bad script and poor image of Frankenstein, it's also that you just can't easily show as much emotion on screen as Shelley's characters were able to display through her text.
Coyote: Your grandmother's being released? That is so good to hear! Hope she soon returns home soon, Doug and I share your elation at knowing things are looking up.
Jenniren: I wonder what the Avalon gargs do besides hang around the palace too. But more than that I'm curious about what the fay do. Oberon pretty much has them all forcibly cooped up for the Gathering and unable to do anything but talk to each other. <grin> Some of them must be getting pretty bored.
That's all for tonight, hope the room is a little livelier this week. See everyone again soon, bye for now.
**PICKING BACK UP THE RP**
"Lathrop, do you have a spell for this situation?" Kitainia asks nervously as she and Doug step forward to challenge the Borg morons, grimacing as their shots bounce off Borgis, Butt-Borg, and Stuart's assimilated hides. "Unfortunately the only spell I haven't used yet against these things is wild magic," Lathrop complains. "They'll be immune to everything else." "Then do it!" Doug shouts as Borgis and Butt-Borg continue to laugh. Lathrop nods. "Alright." He then waves his staff at the three Borg and chants loudly, enveloping them in a chaotically flickering mist. "What are you doing?" Stuart screams as he doubles over in pain, a unicorn horn bursting out of his skull and then exploding in a starburst that engulfs him and reduces him to dust. "This is impossible..." "Whoa!" Butt-Borg is yelling in the same instant as his body shakes. "Something's happening to me!" He collapses and changes into a large dung beetle, which Kitainia immediately squashes with her foot. Meanwhile, Borgis, who has taken the brunt of the chaotic effects, is shaking his head back and forth jabbering loudly. "I am Cornholio!" he wails. "I will destroy everything with my bunghole! My bunghole is coming out now. It will go bunghole-dungho-dungho ratatattatattata!!!!" He shakes wildly and collapses, the chaotic energy ripping his body apart and flinging it to all sides of the room. "Heh, that was cool," are the moron's last words just before Doug hits him with a plasma burst that destroys Borgis for good. "Nice job, Lathrop," the Ravens' leader grins. "I don't think I'll have to worry about those guys anymore." "Nope," Lathrop agrees, shaking his head slowly. "I'm surprised my wild magic actually did the job." Kitainia smiles. "There are some other Borg nearby," she reminds them. "Shall we handle them now?" The other two nod, but before they can turn around a proton torpedo smashes into the floor between them. Doug, Kit, and Lathrop are all knocked down by it. As they jump back to their feet, they gasp in surprise to see Guod hovering over them in his now fully restored X-Wing. "Prepare to taste my full fury, Ravens!" the Borg leader shouts as they bring up their weapons to challenge him. "Finally your time has come!!!"
**TO BE CONTINUED, FOR NOW END RP** $ (note to everyone- Doug wants to solve this situation in his next post, so please do not get him out of it! Thank you.) $
Kitainia
Monday, August 2, 1999 02:16:43 AM
IP: pool-207-205-236-11.dlls.grid.net
Todd> Nifty comparison between Frankenstien's monster and Goliath. I'm curious, did you see the movie I referred to?
SJ & Coyote> You two are so lucky. I wanna see Blair Witch, but no theatres (to my knowledge) are showing it around here. I recall hearing that it was gonna have a wider, nation-scale release...is that true, do you know? Hope so.
Even though I wanna see it, I was kind of let-down/annoyed by the revelation that it was all faked. I never fully bought it, but that's not the point; I think it was sort of sleazy.
Robby> Aw man, what is this? You get to read 1984 and Brave New World, and the closest I get to sci-fi is Frankenstien? Grrrr...
Oh sure, I could read the aforementioned books on my own, but it would be better to read them for school, that way I can read something I might *like* instead of slaving through something. There is nothing worse than reading a book you have no interest in; a movie you can sit through, but a book requires your focus and attention. The books haven't been as bad since hitting sophomore year (and getting Honors English, which, IMO, is way easier than regular...give me a thesis over writing vocabulary definitions any day), but still...
Iron Giant> I'm glad to hear all the positive talk about this one. From the description, it does indeed sound like a GREAT film. Can't wait to see it. Maybe (uh huh) it will get Disney to get their act together.
Entity
Monday, August 2, 1999 01:11:33 AM
IP: ely-oh7-36.ix.netcom.com
I've been considering a course of action to take for nearly twenty minutes now on what to do about you Mr. Birdsong, and I've come to a conclusion. In the last day you have insulted and yelled at Jenniren, ignored me and acted as if I am beneath you, and are now acting like an immature brat towards Starsinger, not only ignoring her words but insulting her at the same time and keeping up this superiority complex of yours. You have not made any move towards appologizing to any of the parties you have insulted and whats more, you have even aknowledged yourself that you know your actions are immature, so I can not hold out the belief you are simply unaware of what you are doing. You are on the verge of igniting a flame war against yourself by disrespecting members of this CR, and I can not tolerate that. I will not ban you yet, as I am giving you a chance to appologize. If you do not appologize, you will be the first CR denizen to be banned by the CR Administrator.
And everyone else, if James does not appologize, do not say a single word to him whatever he posts. We are all going to follow Starsinger's advice, and not say a word to him. Don't even aknowledge his existence unless he appologizes. What needs to be said has been said by Jenniren, myself, Starsinger, and now myself again EXPLICITLY, and I do not want a flame war breaking out.
And James, just to make my point more clear, you can continue your path or ignoring a post due to slightly foul language which will lead to your banning, as right now for the first time in the nine months I've been in this CR, I will purposely say the word "Bitch."
Robby the CR Administrator
Monday, August 2, 1999 01:06:03 AM
IP: spider-tn042.proxy.aol.com
****RP!!!****
Finding his way back to the battle had been rather easy, but the last thing Jaden had expected was Doug about to get blown away. Thankfully that didn't happen.
"Geez you really know how to cut things close." Jaden says as he rejoins the group.
"Jaden!" Doug says rather shocked. "How'd you find us?"
"I just followed the trail of death and destruction. By the way have you seen my axe?"
****END RP!!!****
AHHHHHHHHHH! My world is being turned upside-down. I'm lucky that I can even get here.
Herc-I saw that ep. with the King and Merlin. I didn't really think too much of it. It felt like it was missing a lot of information.
Well gotta go. See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Monday, August 2, 1999 12:57:43 AM
IP: pm1-12.vpop1.avtel.net
No time for an Entrance today, not enough time. My parents decided that, due to the fact that I'm two days behind on my sleep and am beginning to look like a zombie, it was time to put me back on a regularly scheduled bedtime. Crud.
Procrastinators unite! My buddy is comming over day after tomorrow, and I still haven't really started working on our next session. So basicly, if I don't get cracking, I'm toast. DMing tip #1: if you haven't prepared anything, sit your players down w/ a playstation and a sweet game. this will keep them occupied and out of your hair while you throw a mission together.
Works for me...
Dave G. - actually, I was wondering when you had first started READING fanfics... or is that what you were refering to?
Gunjack Valentine
Dallas, The United State of Texas
Monday, August 2, 1999 12:14:34 AM
IP: spider-wj052.proxy.aol.com
Goodeve all, took a quick look before turning in.
David G>> how's the writing going, I took the kid's to the park and actually got a few pages of my own writing done. Feels good to accomplish something.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Sunday, August 1, 1999 11:55:36 PM
IP: 207.14.200.121
Heidy Ho folks! Trying to relax a little tonight after a long Staurday.
I found my local toy and collectible shop was still selling packs of the Gargoyles cards (only 50 cents too!) so I bought a couple packs, mostly I wanted to get some images I could use for illustration references. The ones I got ought to work...
I went out and saw Rocky Horror Picture Show out at the theater that night, first time I'd seen it in years. Had a good time, too bad I live over fourty miles away, it might have been a much easier night...
As for my Skippy 2.0 project, I have the new appliance cast and I think it ought to work nicely. It's just a small ridge that goes over my nose and forehead instead of the full rubber forehead I wore out at the Gathering. I plan on getting some dark makeup and try for a dusky skinned look like the Original Series Klingons with the forehead piece providing extra detail. As soon as I can get a wig to go with it I should be all set...I'm thinking my first appearance with the new look might be back out at Rocky Horror. If they got girls runningaround in their underwear, one Klingon won't be that out of place :)
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Sunday, August 1, 1999 11:42:09 PM
IP: uv1-49.ultravision.net
(ignores Thresa due to cursing immature or not it's what I do)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, August 1, 1999 11:33:12 PM
IP: dt041n34.san.rr.com
The Calf came back .
Hey folks , hopefully top ten , real post later upon completion .
The Rolling Calf
Sunday, August 1, 1999 11:28:09 PM
IP: 208.244.41.229
TOP TEN!!!! And I'm not supposed to even be here!!!
Well, um.....vacation sort of got delayed. It could happen at the end of this week through next week. *sigh* My life is so colossally screwed up right now it's not even funny. :( No really, I tried to make a joke about it, but it's so wacked out right now, I couldn't.
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I can't wait till I have to restart school back again in about 3 weeks. Sure, I'll hate it--after all, with the summer classes I took, I only wound up with about a month of summer as is--but at least there will be some goddamn stability in my life, and I won't wind up stuck in worthless family vacations I don't want to go on in the first place.
Oh my, it seems as if I cursed in that last paragraph. What will James think of me? ;-P
BLAIR WITCH PROJECT: Well, I'm glad SOMEBODY else in here liked it as much as I did **nods to Coyote**. This is truly the best horror film I've seen in years, much better than any Scream/Scream clone or terrible Haunting remake. And, I'm happy to report, I guess this film has struck a chord with many others--apperently, early reports have it that the Blair Witch Project came up big this weekend, something like over 20 million bucks....not bad for a 30 G pic, huh? ;)
IRON GIANT: I'm glad a couple people in here have seen this. I haven't had the pleasure yet, but from what I've heard about the film, the worst reviews I've seen are "It's a great film", and the best are nothing short of "This film is a classic". Personally, I'm getting excited about this movie; not to be blasphemous, but I'd like to see a really good animated movie that *doesn't* have that tell-tale picture of a Mouse stamped all over it.
Oh well, that's if for me tonight. Maybe in the days I'm sitting here waiting for vacation to start, I can squeeze in an RP or two.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, August 1, 1999 11:05:16 PM
IP: 207-172-60-251.s251.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com
TOP TEN!!!
My site has been updated with some new roms.
Peter - [peter_bijl@hotmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Sunday, August 1, 1999 10:58:42 PM
IP: kam-53-0139.direct.ca
Top Ten! :)
Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, August 1, 1999 10:54:20 PM
IP: m127.ieway.com
Hi !!! Top Ten.
CAUTION RANT MODE ON HIGH!!!
JAMES BIRDSONG You owe Jenniren an apology.
You were worse than rude.
You keep up your "I ignore you because you cursed." stupidity and I will ask for a voluntary ostracising of you for a week. Requesting that NO ONE talk with you or acknowledge your presence for one week. You are 19. You have a horror of working and now I can see why. No one in the real world meets your impossibly high standards and no one can. We are not perfect. We are all at heart human being and fallible. SO ARE YOU!!!!!!! Get over the bit of "I AM BETTER THAN YOU BECAUSE YOU CURSE." The only word that might have been objectionable in her post is Bitch. It is also a word used to describe a female dog by dog breeders.
Your real problem is she got mad at you and you couldn't act like a grown up and say you were sorry for yelling at her.
Get your fingers out of your ears and start acting like a Man. You have a long way to go before you are gown up enough to earn the title.
Everyone here has the responsibility of checking local times when they are informed of a tv program that everyone likes to watch. Each of us lives in different time zones and on other continents. These people are being courteous letting us know something of interest is on. Getting yelled at by someone is worse that cursing.
A very Angry
Auntie Starsinger
Who gets very tired of dealing with children with no manners.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, August 1, 1999 10:40:39 PM
IP: proxy-423.public.paix.webtv.net
Forth!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Sunday, August 1, 1999 10:38:25 PM
IP: 203.29.192.74
Third!!! La! La! La!
**Gets carted away**
Green Baron
Sunday, August 1, 1999 10:31:04 PM
IP: abd76ded.ipt.aol.com
WHO IS NUMBER ONE?!
Hopefully me. ;) Top Ten, at any rate. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Sunday, August 1, 1999 10:29:41 PM
IP: modem14.i-is.com
Top ten! (Okay, so I cheat since I clear the room, but still...)
Anyhow, there's 6 days left in the fandom top five poll, so here are the categories once again...
FAVORITE WRITER
FAVORITE ARTIST
FAVORITE CYCLE
FAVORITE INDIVIDUAL STORY
FAVORITE INDIVIDUAL ILLUSTRATION
FAVORITE MALE CHARACTER
FAVORITE FEMALE CHARACTER
FAVORITE VILLAIN
Remember, you're allowed to vote for more than one thing since its totally open ballot, and TGS works count.
Robby the Viper - [MrNoying@aol.com]
"The Viper?" "Yes, I vash and vipe the vindows!"
Sunday, August 1, 1999 10:28:44 PM
IP: spider-wa023.proxy.aol.com