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JACKAL!!!!????? My prayers worked! Where have you been? Oh, who cares!!!!!! KISSKISSKISSKISSKISS SPANKYSPANKYSPANKY...this could take a while ;)
SOROW
Sunday, August 15, 1999 08:16:17 PM
IP: usr12-dialup80.mix1.irving.cw.net

**enters the room laughing maniacally, switching out the candles. Sits in the big chair and struggles to control himself**

Hee hee ... go to the GFW ... hee hee ... Mara Cordova's MSTing of "Sleepover" was posted today ... hee hee ... I haven't been able to stop laughing!!

**takes a deep breath, then continues**

Okay, try to reply a bit, suck it up ... you can do it ...

The "Young Lovers" Fund: Good to see that it's nearly halfway there. :)

Fleur, re: radiator: Oh no ... if they find those bastards, take out an extra piece of flesh for that poor radiator!
And thanks for the complements on "Team Bravo."

Crzy: **stands up an applauds**

Wilek, re: Michigan mountains: If you're looking for a place those other French gargs would've gone, the only mountains in Michigan that aren't manmade ski resorts are in the upper peninsula (the Iron Mountains). Sadly, Michigan also happens to be one of the *flattest* states in the Union, so mountain climbers have to make do with health spas. :)
If you're looking for more French gargs in Michigan, I would recommend going along the state's water-formed border with Canada. Just a suggestion.

Stephen: **rises to feet again, applauding**

JackaL: THANK GOD!!!

Robby: **face changes shade** Thanks for your high regard, friend. That goes to everyone. **big group hug**

**sits back in the big chair, fixating once more**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, August 15, 1999 08:04:47 PM
IP: modem61.i-is.com

My stupid computer is not loading the whole room, so forgive me if I missed some posts...

Lexy> I'll contribute $5 to your fund! Anything to keep my friends in here together! E-mail me...

Wilek> Ha ha. I'm feeling much better though. Thanks :)
SOROW - [jim.abadie@cwix.com]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 07:23:53 PM
IP: usr12-dialup173.mix1.irving.cw.net

Just sticking my head in real quick.

Lexy> $123.00?? All right!

Paul> *sigh* I have no problem with your opinions, really. But I have difficulties with the way you express them. Most of your comments on Christine's fics were such that they should have been restricted to a private EM. A simple comment like "I just don't think Christine's stories are as true to the characters as they are in Jewel's" would have been a lot better.

Most of your comments and opinions have come off as very personal - perhaps they really aren't, but the way you express your opinions makes it seem like you take these things a lot more personally than you should. You state a lot of opinions as if they were facts, and while any smart person could determine that you're just expressing your opinion... it still comes off fairly harsh. Personally, I was a little disappointed that certain authors didn't make the poll, but hey, life goes on. You're entitled to your opinions - and I have to hand it to you, admitting that you don't prefer the works of an author who almost no one doesn't like is pretty brave. Just back down a bit, all right? :)

As for your reasons for not liking Christine's fanfic, well, I have one thing to say: do NOT read any of my fanfics. If you don't care for Christine's stuff, you will hate mine. I have a tendency to let my original characters run amuck. It's not intentional, but it happens.

Jackal> What? You're alive! Yaaay!

Okay, dinner's in a few minutes... got to go...
Mandolin
Sunday, August 15, 1999 05:42:12 PM
IP: pm3-1-ppp11.iximd.com

Jackel/Deuce glad to hear from you. It's been too long. Try to keep in contact.

Lexy put me down for five. Your math is right on, much better than your spelling ;)

Auntie Starsinger the wet, as in it waited til I got off work to open up.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 04:45:35 PM
IP: proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net

Well, I've always held to this old reliable adage:

"If you can't say anything nice, don't say nothing at ALL."

because if you do give into the urge, and speak without the brain in gear, you might just prove another popular saying:

"It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Spike
Sunday, August 15, 1999 04:42:11 PM
IP: bart.airmail.net

Anonymous Person-Ah, yes, the one who was most likely the person who Sent me around 2,000 Electronic Mails with the f-word in them every second word or so. If you think that's going to change anything, forget it. Don't hack into my Electronic Mail again, or else.

The Fanfiction Debate-First of all, I saw the Comment Room Rules before, Robby. I know about them, and know not to insult someone's story. I was just telling the truth, as I saw it. I stated it was my opinions. As for the whole Post, I explained beforehand I don't do things like this, but someone asked me why I didn't like her stories. So I responded. I was asked a question, and answered.
The comment on the Fanfiction Poll was just some stupid comment that shouldn't have been taken seriously. The one about Christine Morgan being higher up, that is. Jewel Faulkner is a much better writer. I shouldn't have said that, if Christine's offended I'll apologize. The comments yesterday, though, were in response to a question posed by someone else. If I'm asked why I think Jewel Faulkner's a better writer, I'll answer the question.
These are opinions. A friend of mine bashed XENOGEARS around, I didn't snap at him, because I understood why he didn't like the Game. A lot of other people bashed him around, so he put up a notice on his Webpage about how there will be opinions in the Webpage, and if someone will feel the need to do anything nasty about the opinions, to please click the Back Button on the person's browser.
I was asked, I gave my opinion, and I did not intend to insult anyone with it. If I'm asked I question I can answer I will answer. My comments were my evaluation, not insults. They were meant as an answer. I am not looking down at Christine Morgan's work, I'm answering a question. The comment on the Polls was uncalled for, but I'm not perfect. I do look at my Posts, but I thought that that wouldn't do much harm, it was just a little side comment.
I made mistake.
Therefore I will apologize if Christine feels offended. I don't intend to insult anyone's Fanfiction, no matter how bad it is. I was asked a question and answered.
I know Fanfiction is meant to take the Series in various directions, but the characters, if original characters, can't just be used in an unrealistic way. Jenniren, you made an interesting point on the Electronic Mail last night on how that would be room for Comment Room Discussion, so I'll give my point on it now.
If there are characters from shows, they need to hold true to form initially. If they undergo character development to be used differently, the change needs to be understandable.
As for romance not being a main theme, I know Goliath, and Elisa liked each other as perhaps more than friends long before THE GATHERING line, possibly, but not until then was I sure how much there was. I saw the lines in other cases, but the romance in itself isn't the theme. Its Elisa being the close friend to the gargoyles that is.
Yeah, she had her hands on his in EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. There was nothing beyond friendship in that gesture, in my opinion. In this case, though, at least for that part of EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, I think I'm right here. There's no evidence it was anything else.
The relationship had nothing to do with any form of physical relationships, it had to do with trust, and support. That's where the importance of their relationship is to the plotline, in my opinion. Not on a romantic standpoint, but on one person being able to be trusted. Elisa's important as a friend to the whole Clan, not just to Goliath.
I don't mean to upset anyone, I don't want to hurt anyone. Someone, forget the name, pointed out that I was just expressing my opinions. Stop bashing me around for giving my opinions. Yeesh!
I am not insulting a story, I am answering a question, and that was all. I am not going to change my mind about the opinions, and I will apologize to Christine if she's offended if she tells me. I'm not bashing her around, or her stories, I was just pointing out that I don't like them, and giving the reasons why, so I wouldn't be sounding insulting.
I was explaining I don't like the stories because I was asked if I had some sort of grudge against her, and I attempted to show I most certainly do not. I don't hold grudges against people.
The comment on the Poll, like I said, was stupid. I'm human, and I'm not perfect, and I don't need to be bashed around for making a mistake. I just need to have it pointed out and then I'll correct it.
Oh, and why I don't write my own Fanfiction: Actually, I do, but I need to wait until A STITCH IN TIME is finished.
The criticism was constructive, in my opinion.
If you don't think it was, that's your opinion.
To the main point on the 'story bashing'.
First of all, I noticed Jewel Faulkner was upset at the commentary, but forgot to add in the apology. That one I'm doing right now.
I'm sorry for inadvertently insulting you, or whatever you didn't like.
If Christine Morgan feels insulted, then I will apologize, too. She hasn't made any comments yet, concerning this, so I'm unsure as to her standing. If she's insulted, I'll apologize. I do not intend to hurt anyone.
If I make a stupid remark like before, next time, point it out to me. If I make a mistake and someone points them out, then I'll correct them. There's always the chance I'll discover I made the mistake myself, but it could take longer, so to avoid me having to realize later on that I've said something wrong, tell me I did, and explain why, and I'll fix the mistake.
I can't notice every mistake I've made myself immediately, some I may never notice. I'm human, I'm not perfect, just point out if I make another dumb remark, and I'll fix it. If anyone needs an Example:
This is for something rather similar, but in a way, the same.
At one point a while ago I'd been rather confused as to Athenaverse Canonicity. Before I figured out the right answer to how it fits in with the real Shows, Scott Iskow was nice enough to tell me. He helped me beforehand, and gave me his points on it, and showed me where I was mistaken. He didn't bash me around for having the wrong opinions, he showed me where I was wrong.
The same thing could work if I make a stupid comment.
The reason for the comment could have to do with having that dislike of Christine Morgan's Stories, and I didn't Send her criticsm simply because I thought that'd be mean. I'm not perfect, I can't always do the right thing.
Humans are supposed to help each other correct their mistakes, not pile on top of the people who make the mistakes, and bash them around. If this happens again, I hope I'll be helped, not whacked around.
I'm not upset or anything, but I would prefer being helped. Can anyone understand my point now?

Brooklyn and Angela-I forgot to mention this yesterday. Similarities still don't give any indication on various arcs. I didn't see Angela as being more inclined to choose Brooklyn. I can understand why others would think so, I didn't. Can others understand why I didn't think so?

XENOGEARS: First of all, Stephen, if you're referring to Gameplay, or whatever, well, that's not what makes a Game great. RPGs, at least. Its the Storyline and the Characterization that do, something I doubt will be mentioned in any Reviews. Well, any Reviews where someone (I forget the name) suggested to look for Reviews.
The Storyline and the Characterization make a Role-Playing Game. So because of the wonderful Storyline and wonderful Characterization, XENOGEARS is my favorite Story anywhere.
I am not obsessed with XENOGEARS. I love the Game so much because of many aspects, the reason its mentioned here so often is because its got great lines. I Quote great lines from various Stories, and XENOGEARS has a ton of excellent lines. I like to Quote at the end of Electronic Mails and Comment Room Posts. That's just me.
As for why I love XENOGEARS so much, well, it has fully realistic characters, and situations that are incredible. Like reasons for living, what it means to live. It shows each individual and their emotions and at the same time looks at the human race as a whole. The emotional value in that story is something found hardly anywhere else.
I know what is real and what isn't.
I hope I've explained the reasons for what I said yesterday up above, I thought I'd mentioned them yesterday. Again, I do not wish to insult stories, but if I'm asked why I seem to dislike someone, and/or am not able to be very cordial to them, I will give an answer. Its not fair to ignore a question like that, if I have a problem with someone, or don't, I need to explain. How else am I going to continue to be able to associate with people? I can't have the wrong judgements of what I think going around if I can help it.

Kaioto-I'm not rereading the Post because if it wasn't what I thought it was, I feel no need to comment.

I'd comment on LIGHTNING CRASHES, I've finally read it, but I've spent enough time in here, and I have a story to write. I'll comment tomorrow, or so, most likely, and in-depth, which means I'll have to use Spoiler Warnings. I don't need rules to tell me that.
The Spoiler Warnings I use when necessary, I'd do so even if it weren't a rule, I don't like giving Spoilers.
I'll probably have commentary tomorrow.

"Everyone needs somebody to love them."-Elhaym 'Elly' van Houten
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 02:38:23 PM
IP: 93.morristown-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Ok it seems another weed of bad vibes as sprouted again and the root of it is Paul. Let me get this off my chest.. I am not a die hard romantic. I'm not weven an XF shipper,but a little romance should pop up in sereis now and then. Your were tactgul yet Rude whne you bashed Christine Morgan's writing. You could have been a bit more constructive or say "Christine isnt my favorite of the writers" Something more along the line. As for saying the romance ruins it...hello? I have seen all the ep of the first two seasons and a few of TGC... and well their are many romantic eps. and personaly i think you are too obsesive with Xenogears.
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Fleur: I hope your car gets better

Angie:Goliath and Sailormoon????hmmm sounds a bit like the GL's...interesting Scenario Lita(Jupiter) meeting Brooklyn

Brooklyn: That was pretty amazing what you did with that lighting

Lita: Thanks your were pratty good yourself. You know. you look just like my old boyrfirend, except your hair is nicer

Brooklyn:(says nothing just blushes)

Oh great now I have the gigglefits. :Snickers
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Sunday, August 15, 1999 02:28:15 PM
IP: ts001d13.orl-fl.concentric.net

Regarding Paul's Comments: I have just one comment; Who's business of ours regarding what he says about Christine? I by no means condone what he says but it's between Paul and Christine. It ain't friggin' Kosovo! Let them settle the problems between them, not the rest of us. He offended ONE person, not everyone. If somone screws with me, it's just between the two of us and possibly the people who have to clean up the other person's remains. Yeah, it sounds ignorant but I'm not saying the same thing over and over again.

Right now, you're probably thing about critisizing me because I critized people in here. Am I right?

God, I miss the old days when two people would settle their differences by walking 20 paces in opposite directions and draw their guns. It sure saved everyone from the incessant bickering. ;)
Anonymous
Sunday, August 15, 1999 02:27:20 PM
IP: s20-onawa.pionet.net

Wilek Nereus hmm I remember a lot of the dream. Do you really want the whole dream with it 200+ characters or just the ending?
The Fundraiser. Not to rain on the parade, but want do the parents think or do they even know. The reason I ask is I remember a member having problems coming to this room because the parents were worried about the room. Man I hate being the downer, but well I just want to make sure everyone ain’t heading for a problem. Now that I have been the horrible romance killing dweeb um if everything is kosher put me down for 20 and email me with an address so I can send a money order.

The Paul Christine thing> I don’t think he was attacking her, but yes he should not have been critiquing her work in a public forum (it is not polite Paul). Everyone has his or her own likes and taste. Personally I like the TGS stories the best. My reason because they do stay true to the characters. That is why I like the regular writers and this series better than Christine’s and Jewels series (though I think a Texan character is cool). Notice that I said I; it is my opinion it is neither right or wrong. The poll just cataloged everyone’s opinions of those who voted. So Paul have your opinion but remember that you need to be polite and respect peoples feelings when expressing them, and every one like I said I don’t think he was attacking her. I think he just was suffering from a moment of lack of tact.

Message in a bottle spoilers
It SUCKED I was watching this on tape with a couple of my girlfriends (friends who are girls not the other meaning like I am that lucky). Any way two of them had seen it and knew he DIED. Akhhhhh you watch they fall in love and you think happily ever after right. NO. He dies that sucks. I get involved with the characters feel their lives and then a sad ending? If I want a sad ending I live my life Thank you.

Jackyl hey nice to here from you
D- man nice to here from you and hope you can make it back soon

Ironwolf - [cag16@bellsouth.net]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 02:11:33 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-154.cha.bellsouth.net

::Looks down at the battered remains of Paul Nathans:: Never has a public dressing down been more deserved. Paul, many words of wisdom have been offered over the last two days. I would suggest that you take them to heart.

So very much to catch up on, so little time.

Happy birthday both past and present to those August babies, too numerous to mention. ::Adds a cake to the side board next to the punch bowl::

Movies: Why is it there's nothing to see for about two years and now there's more movies then time? Feast or famine. Btw, if you haven't seen "Mystery Men" I'd reccomend it. Yes, it was silly, but it had heart.

Old news, but thank you for the recognition in Robby's recent Fanfic Favorites Poll. It was more appreciated than you know.

Other stuff, something vaguely TGS related... you know, it's really hard to come up with a reader response question that won't be construed as either a spoiler or hint because I spent so long on staff. ::Ponders:: Can't think of a thing right now. Oh well, not for lack of trying.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what next season brings. DARK AGES was something of a favorite in terms of deconstructing the present day characters to figure out what might have happened in their pasts to make them become who they became. (o_O) That was convoluted, but it led to lively discussions during the planning phase of the first DA season.

Denis > Hope you feel better soon.
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 12:31:53 PM
IP: client24095.atl.mediaone.net

Patrick - I've attached a link to a Xenogears review to my name. It should give you some idea of what the game is like if you are interested. http://www.gamecenter.com/Consoles/Sony/Xenogears/

Poor Paul. I don't think he meant to bash anyone. He just has his opinions and this is how he happens to express them. But Paul, since it is obvious that so many people don't like the way you express yourself, you need to find a way to tone it down. Look over your letters before you submit them and try to avoid saying something which is going to cause a fuss. Calling Christine's writing "lousy" is not only inaccurate, it is insulting, and there are a lot of people in here who don't want to see her insulted (as you've no doubt noticed). The points you made about Christine's "take" on the Gargoyles characters not being accurate and her stories being more like romance novels than the original show could have been made without being so insulting to her. I realize you have strong opinions, but when you express them the way you do, most people only see the insults. Instead of noting what you have to say, people just get mad at you. Since that isn't what you want to happen, you need to examine the way you express yourself and make the necessary changes.

Fleur - I'm sorry to hear your car is ailing. I hope you're able to get it operational soon.

Skippy - [Darth Maul in garters and stockings?] ROTFL!!!

Hey JackaL posted!!! I was afraid he'd done himself after his previous post... and then nothing for so long.

Robby - Glad to hear you're feeling better and your depression was a short-term thing. Is Lonny dead or undead? ;-)

Deuce is coming back? Good.

Lexy - I'll send you an email.

Jenniren
Sunday, August 15, 1999 11:07:13 AM
IP: user-2ivf72f.dialup.mindspring.com

Patrick Toman> Xenogears is supposably the best RPG ever
James Birdsong
Sunday, August 15, 1999 11:06:36 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

Xanather- Ofcouse! That is no problem at all. Here is my Email again lex@hnet.net

OK heres the latest update

Coyote- 50.00
Kaioto- 26.00
Lexy- 10.00
Mandi- 10.00
Heather- 8.00
Delphi- 5.00
"Shakdown"- 5.00
Skippy- 5.00
Cherry- 2.00
Xanather- (1.00)
Someonesensitive- 1.00
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123.00

*points out that she is tired* OK if i totled it wrong im sorry!;)

GREAT JOB PP'lS!!


Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 10:20:16 AM
IP: d095.hnet.net

Paul Nathans > You went way over the line this time. If you've got something to say to somebody, or criticism to offer them on their work, then write to them privately. Don't come into a public forum and totally trash on them as if you are the Ultimate Authority on Fanfic.

And for the record, I agree with CrzyDemona's comments on the romance angle of the show. You've obviously missed a lot when you've watched if you can say it wasn't an important element.

Also... could someone please tell me what the heck XENOGEARS is? I have never heard of it. :: does the little thing with his pinky finger :: "Somebody throw me a bone here..."

Pistoff > Don't get too excited, my friend... Crzy pretty much asks EVERYBODY to marry her. :P

:: hurries off before Crzy can thwap him with her tail ::
Patrick Toman
Sunday, August 15, 1999 09:37:04 AM
IP: 98adbdaa.ipt.aol.com

Hi all!!

Lexy:I'd love to send out a donation only trouble is you'd have to change it for American money at the bank,Do you want me to Email you?

Paul:You bashed Christine's writing style in a public forum!,THAT WAS LOW!!!How would you like it if somebody did that to you and openly critisized something that you put your heart into!

Denis:since I suffer a bad ear infection, I'll make it short>>Ouch!I feel for you,I used to get them a lot.:(

Fleur:Got your Email and I've sent on a reply,I'm sorry to hear about your continuing car troubles.:(

JackaL:Hey there JackaL!:)

Someone sensitive:Hi Deuce!:)

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Sunday, August 15, 1999 06:24:09 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

Dang it! know should be no.
Angie
Sunday, August 15, 1999 04:38:23 AM
IP: dial193.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Ironwolf: "Angie did you steal part of that line about being the Goliath defender from sailor moon or am I just crazy" I sure did wolfy. How did you guess? :)
Warpmind: "When you managed to tick off Pistoff, maybe you should have finisthed with something like 'why aren't you sharing with the rest of us?'" Huh?
traveler: "I have never seen this pic, I hope it's good. I'm suprised that it's the only goliath picture, there should be more." I'm not suprised, and yes, there should be more.
Paul: Lay off Christine! She's one of the best fanfic writers out there. And know one should have to ASK you for an apology. You should give to them, because they deserve one. Follow my example and apologize.
traveler(again): I have a lot garg episodes on tape, too. I never told my parents about them. I don't plan to, because they might start lecturing to me about how I'm too old to be watching cartoons. You should hide your tapes in your room, like me. I never keep them where my parents could just easily pick them up. I hide mine in one of my old book bags. I have about 54 episodes from the Gargoyle series. I wish I had them all. I can't get the ones I missed 'cause we don't have satellite anymore. Darn! Oh well, that's life.

(says in kissy-face voice)Isn't that just a cute wittle picture. Wittle Goliath's all skinny and little and CUUTE. I can just eat him all up. teeeheee
Angie - [Goliathgirl5@yahoo.com]
WA, USA
Sunday, August 15, 1999 04:30:33 AM
IP: dial193.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net

I usually just lurk here, but I had to say this:

JackaL--You're alive! *hugz* Don't scare us again like that!
Llewwellyn Gaelfire - [llewwellyn@hotmail.com]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 04:21:40 AM
IP: ctrts1-2.mrs.umn.edu

Umm... Congrats to CrzyDemona and Pistoff? The newly engaged or something I guess...

Fanfic progress- Today I decided it was time to put my blasted fanfics out so I started going over them and editing them... Depending on how school and TGS work get in the way, I may be putting up my series soon...

Those contributing to the "Get Robby and Heather together fund"- Um... Thanks. Really means alot, even if the soonest we can feasibly get together is Spring Break in March.. Thanks for throwing this together Lexy, even if I didn't ask you to do it... As far as how much I'm going to throw into the fund? Whatever I got when the time comes.

And Coyote- You KNOW we'd do it for you and Ravyn. Heck, you two probably would've raised the full fundage needed by now.

Someone sensitive- Nice to see ya again Deuce.

Doug- I shoulda said it sooner, but I was waiting for ya to get back... moot point really considering how the CR works... but condolances on the job man.

Wilek- Nothing to worry about. i was in a bit of a bad mood this morning between school, new sleep schedual, and not getting a drawing right in like 3 weeks... But an extra 10 hours of sleep and some time at a drawing table and the fun activities of this room cheered me right up.

Also, if you take over Sony, could you get me a Playstation 2?

Fleur- What is it with people in here and car problems? Ah well, hope it fixes itself...

**RP HERE**

Aboard the Dark Star Two, Connection Denied writhes in pain as a device saps his energy and regeneration powers. He looks at the one who has bested him, and will soon kill him.
"Who... Are you?" CD groans and gasps between breaths.
The figures eyes glow a mechanical red, and a booming voice emits. "You know full well who I am. You all thought me dead. But now I'm back to take control of this mighty vessel."
"Lonny?" CD asks in horror?
"Who?" The figure replies. Suddenly, the figure's eyes glow brighter, and for a moment, Connection Denied sees and recongizes his enemy.
"YOU!"
"Yes." And suddenly, the last of CD's energy zaps out of his body, and he turns to dust, all evidence of Dis Connect ever having an evil twin gone.
The evil figure laughs and surveys his new vessel.
Robby
Sunday, August 15, 1999 04:19:02 AM
IP: spider-wj081.proxy.aol.com

Haven't read anyone's posts yet...., just wanted to say that ..., "I'm drunk. And I'm sooo in love with you!!" YaY!!!! Lynn hurt me.., but whatever, what can you do?!?? I'm soo far beyond pastered it ain't funny. But I feel better and that's what matteres!

I'll readf posts and rtesponsed later..., bye!!!
JackaL - [Sucdeth89@aol.com]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 03:41:05 AM
IP: spider-wg014.proxy.aol.com

Fleur: Ack! Sorry about your car. Hope you can get it fixed soon. If you can find the scumbag who damaged it, you could try to make him pay for it. Or at least put him in jail. Either way, I wish you the best of luck.

Kaioto: Right on! :)

CrzyDemona: <you rock!> Uh, wow, thanks. **blushes** You're pretty rockin', yourself. :) <Will you marry me?? ::wicked laughter and a wink::> Sure. Where and when? <g> ;)
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 03:26:36 AM
IP: wire-8.koalas.com

Greetings all!

I finally got out to see "The Iron Giant" today. Wow! A great film, and nice the way they treated the characters. A future classic for animation annals.

ANNONYMUS - Patience, lad/lass! We're not ignoring you!

TGS will be starting up again with new episodes soon. I can give an exact start date, but expect at least the new season of "Dark Ages" to show up possibly in September or October... that is subject to change, though, so don't quote me on that.

RECENT CHRISTINE BASHING: Here's my view...

Paul,

Please understand this... first and formost, there is one cardinal rule that people should ALWAYS follow, no matter if they are a fan or not:

NEVER TRASH ANOTHER WRITER IN PUBLIC!

Your comments as of late have been juvenile, uncoordinated, and insulting to an unbelievable degree, especially where Christine Morgan is concerned. I'd ask you to apologize, but I seriously doubt that you'd even consider doing that.

If you have such an opinion about Christine's writing, why don't you write your own Gargoyles fan fiction stories, and prove your point? If you say so many of us flub the 'true theme' of the show in our work, then prove what you say. Write some stories, and show us.

Otherwise, keep your opinions to yourself and never bring them up again, unless you can show CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM or can more maturely speak your piece.

And, once again Paul, drop Xenogears. I've been playing console RPG's since the first Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior games were out on the Original NES, and even as far as ADVENTURE for the old Atari consoles. I recently gave Xenogears a run, and while it is impressive in some aspects, it in no way is the end product of all RPG's.

****

Well, that's all from me for now. Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, August 15, 1999 01:32:59 AM
IP: m190.ieway.com

I thought I would give Lexy a break...for now.

FUND MONEY DONATED

Coyote- 50.00
Lexy- 10.00
Heather- 8.00 (all in quarters)
skippy- 5.00
Delphi- 5.00
Cherry- 2.00
mandolin- 1.00
Kaioto- 26.00 ( Lexy added one dollar)
someone sensitive- 1.00
--------------------------
108.00

We're getting closer! Guys, all of you that are doing this..I think you...so very much.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Sunday, August 15, 1999 01:31:09 AM
IP: 98a94b43.ipt.aol.com

Wilek Nereus> oh
James Birdsong
Sunday, August 15, 1999 12:47:40 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

**RP!**

[In Jashin and Dark Eternal's assigned quarters on the Avatar Of Ganon...Eternal: "We have been here for *hours*. Do they not recognize the importance of our request?" Jashin: "Patience, friend; our time will come soon enough. Besides, this wait is not our problem--the real challenge will be convincing the Administrator to give us the technology. Not to mention adapting it to our own systems, although I imagine the Borg will take care of that..."]

**PAUSE RP!**

James> <<You'd think that but you aren't remembering how imune fey are to human weapons like silver bullets, wooden arrows, grenades, steel cannonballs, and spitwads.>> Trust me, friend; nukes are on a completely different level than those toys. A nuclear explosion is a huge release of energy, and since the Fey are sentient energy structures, then they might be affected even more than corporeal beings.

Anonymous> <<Hey, is it just my computer, or have they stopped making episodes for a while?>> For a while, yes, although there'll probably be more new eps in...well, I'm not sure...

SOROW> <<Well, I hope everyone ELSE had a good morning cause I woke up and everything bit my ass at once! *sigh*>> Heh...have you seen a vet? Those things might carry rabies. ;P j/k

Lexy> <<clears her thought loudly>> I had no idea clearing one's mind made any sound at all. Zen meditation? Or perhaps a psionic phenomenon? 8P j/k <<Well I propose we have a fundrive!! THATS RIGHT ! Fellow CR'ers unite! "Donate a doller" Thats right! Donate a doller for Heather and Robby fund!>> Wow...it's so psychotic, it just might work! aND THOSE FOOLS AT THE UNIVERSITY SAID WE WERE MAD!! wE'LL SHOW THEM MAD!!!!! HAAAAAHhaHAhhaHAHHHhaHhaHAhaHHhahaHhahahhhaAAAAAhhhhhhhhHHHHH! <blink> Seriously...oh how I wish I could contribute to this...Would projecting good vibes help? <projects>

Paul> [Darth Jashin trundles in. <<Keep in mind that in STAR WARS, the Dark Side of the Force was originally used for good, until the Sith warped it.>> Jashin: "Of course...this explains everything..." <leaves>] Er...don't mind him. Now...as to your little review of Christine's work. <sigh> Granted, I haven't read much of her (or anyone's) fanfic. But really, from what I *have* encountered, I fail to see why her characterizations could be considered 'trashed'. What I've seen of it was done perfectly. As for focusing on romance more than the show did...ISN'T THAT THE ENTIRE POINT OF WRITING FANFIC?!! To do things the show wouldn't or couldn't do, to create things that the original designers weren't twisted enough to create, to boldly go where no one has gone before? As someone here has said, if one keeps the characterization right (which IMO Christine has done), one can do just about anything with the source material. I know my own stories depart WAY away from the original direction of the show. So does almost anyone else's, I'd wager. This is why we write our own stuff--so we can expand the Gargs universe. Granted, I consider Jewel a great writer, but...having a favorite writer is one thing, but trashing another for the simple reason that she isn't as much to your taste is quite another. Gaia knows, erotica isn't to *my* tastes (although my tastes aren't exactly normal), but she does it well. Oh, and...I myself am a great fan of video games, but...well...you *do* seem to be a tad too absorbed in this Xenogears.

Heather> <<**looks at Robby** If only I can get him out of his depression.>> Depressed? Robby, is everything OK? If there's anything you need to talk about, we're all here to help.

Theresa> <<I love planning the future of the almost unsuspecting.>> Oh, *yes*. Nothing's quite so fun as engaging in a bit of megalomania. >8) <checks his take-over-the-world schedule> Next step: acquire Sony...

Denis> Ear infection? ACK! Get well soon! <puts a spatula through Sli Sludge's skull>

Coyote> <<I'm pretty sure that the possibility exists for more of the French gargs to have settled around the state.>> Ah, good...are there any mountains or anything in the vicinity of the Great Lakes...?

Skippy> <<Darth Maul in garters and stockings?>> Heh...I am speechless...or perhaps afraid to comment... :P

Person whose return draws near> YEAH! <high five> Can't wait! :D

Fleur> <<I don’t know if this is a normal thing, but I’ve got mixed feelings about my first fics. I’m proud of them, ‘cos I got the guts to post them, but it’s also like *cringe* ‘I _really_ hope I’m getting better at this.’>> You do that too? I'm always so nervous when I announce a new fic (which happens all too infrequently).

Delphi> <<I'm suprised no one else noticed or perhaps they were just being polite?>> Heh...I was just being a smart-arse (something I've been doing a lot lately). ^_^

**RESUME RP!**

[Suddenly, the comm panel in Jashin's quarters signals an incoming call. Jashin answers, and before the person on the other end can say anything, he says, "Greetings, Administrator." Admin: "Darth Jashin. You...have something to offer us?" Jashin: "Indeed, in return for the donation of some simple equipment." Admin: "What...sort of equipment?" Jashin: "Perhaps this negotiation would be more suited to a private meeting...?"]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, August 15, 1999 12:07:04 AM
IP: tnt-2-39-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Sorry for the second post but...

Pistoff - you rock! Will you marry me?? ::wicked laughter and a wink::
CrzyDemona
Sunday, August 15, 1999 12:02:40 AM
IP: abd6756e.ipt.aol.com

Everyone: Thank you for your thoughts. It makes posting worthwhile. Many of you are more than too kind. What I write is just what strikes me that survives editing, no biggy.

Doug: I’m very sorry to here about your situation. Downsizing is a terrible thing. I wish you the best of luck finding a new job. If there is anything I can do, let me know.

Pledge: I’m not sure how my financial situation will be when the pledge comes due, but I’ll pledge at least $25 now because I Know for Sure I’ll have that. Anything else I have available is yours, you two.

Paul:
You did skim my post. Maybe it would be wise to read for content before opening your mouth.

You did trash out Christine. You may have raised some legit points about Christine’s fic. Yes, some of it does fall out of character. Yes, some of it does fall more out as a romance novel than Gargoyles was originally written. That is, however, the theme or spin of Christine’s own unique take of the Gargoyles universe. She’s entitled to it just as much as you are entitled to dislike it. You did not, however, express your opinion in a constructive or courteous manner. Instead of contributing any evidence of simple explanation of your opinion, you instead repetitively hammered at Christine’s work, trying to make it out to be poor workmanship rather than something not suiting your tastes. Your tastes are not objective. Things you dislike are not objectively bad. Maybe you should reflect some more before you post.

Your obsession with a lack of any black and white extremes has made you presumptuous and overbearing in your personal opinions. You speak as if they carry as much wait as fact, because you see little distinction. They don’t. This attitude is what makes everything you say come out as so freaking irritating and rude.

If you have criticism so extensive, send it to someone in private. What you have done is the equivalent of the rude drunk standing up on the barstool just to tell the person across the hall that in they are dressed funny.

Thought of the day: “Light of so many shades and hues can not be unless bound by light and darkness above and below. From white are all colors shattered from. Into the dark falls all shades as they fade away to nothingness. Only in between the absolutes does color exist.”

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Saturday, August 14, 1999 11:59:36 PM
IP: 1cust86.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Coyote- 50.00
Lexy- 10.00
skippy- 5.00
Delphi- 5.00
Cherry- 2.00
mandolin- 1.00
Kaioto- 1.00
someone sensitive- 1.00
--------------------------
75.00

*updates runs out*

Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 11:45:44 PM
IP: d081.hnet.net

Paul Nathans: Gargoyles NOT about romance? Wow... are you watching the same show I am watching? I think you missed something. Perhaps you should go back and watch some episodes like... hmmm... SANCTUARY, VOWS, EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, THE MIRROR... Heck... even start with AWAKENINGS (in case you didn't notice the look that passed between E&G when Goliath literally swept Elisa off her feet).

Or better yet... Read ASK GREG. Or go to a Gathering and hear what Creator, Greg Weisman has to say about E&G and their relationship and future sex life. You are WAY off on your perspective of what Gargoyles is all about.

Oh... and I have some REALLY amazing news for you. You don't HAVE to read ANYONES fanfic if you don't like it. ISNT THAT AMAZING??? I thought you would like to know... It is your god given right to JUST SAY NO! You don't like it... don't watch it... don't read it. But don't come in here and nag at all of us about what you don't like. Isn't there a nice XENOGEARS chat room you can write to and spare us all?

Hugs and kisses... :)
CrzyDemona - [demonacrzy@aol.com]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 11:44:42 PM
IP: abd6756e.ipt.aol.com

Lexy>> count me in for $5.00, email below

Wilex>>Elisha=Elisa This is what happens when I don't proof what I've written BEFORE clicking submit (I'm suprised no one else noticed or perhaps they were just being polite?)

Paul>> WOW YOU DESCRIBED CHRISTINE'S WORKS AS SOMETHING THAT WILL REALLY INTEREST ME, I'm a sucker for tear jerkers and romance, and I just love a good twist on an old theme. SPICE in life is great. And honey if you don't want others to critize your favorite things then you need to learn TACT. There is a time and a place for everything, treat others how you would like to be treated yourself.


Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, August 14, 1999 11:40:50 PM
IP: 207.14.200.84

*RP*
“It all started when my father died,” Fleur begins slowly, “He was a gargoyle, but my mother wasn’t from Earth. She’s from a planet in the Adromeda, and she was exploring Earth when she met my father. You can guess the rest. When Dad died, my mum and I went back to her planet. But...” Fleur sighs. “There’s two races there, the Marnia and the Kalya. My mother’s one of the Marnia. They rule the planet - they’re the only ones allowed to be educated, or do anything really. The Kalya are little more than slaves. The entire basis of this is their religion. According to that, a couple of thousand years ago, two Marnia were blessed by a diety, who gave them magical powers, and to all their descendants. They were called the First, and they used their powers to defeat the Kalya, who were the ‘evil overlords,’ and bring peace and freedom to their people. These” Fleur holds up the sword and the blade “were their weapons, and they’re suppose to contain their power. Some even say it is the source of the powers of their descendants.”
“So why did you take them?” Lathrop asks.
“Two reasons really. The first was because the story is a lie. Only one of the First was a Marnia. The other was a Kalya. They didn’t use their powers to defeat the Kalya, who _weren’t_ evil overlords. They used them to join the two races together, to bring peace to them all. But somewhere along the line, the story was changed, and the Kalya were enslaved. The Marnia have known all along, but they’ve done nothing about it. I thought if I destroyed the weapons, perhaps the Marnia would lose their powers and then they wouldn’t be able to conrol the Kalya anymore. But maybe the damn things _do_ contain the First’s power, because I just couldn’t destroy them, no matter what I tried.” Fleur takes a deep breath, then goes on, her eyes glowing. “The second reason is a lot simpler. Revenge. My mother dared to question the way the Marnia treated the Kalya and was punished for it. What was her punishment? Death. By the blade and the sword.”
*END RP*

Hi all,
Well, my car-saga continues. Now the radiator’s started leaking all over the place. I don’t know if it was because of the accident, or because it was about to do it’s Niagra Falls impersonation anyway, but either way, my poor little car is now grounded. :( But on a lighter note, Deuce asked me to say hi to everyone and that’s he thinking of us. :)

Robby> >I was too busy being hurt at the time to notice the guy's license plate, so, nope.< Oh no!! Man, that sucks. My sympathies.

Wilek> >And Gaia forbid that Ewan himself (not to mention Alec Guiness!) finds out about this. >;) < *imagines Ewan going trainspotting-style troppo and Alec rambling about the force while slicing and dicing and falls over laughing* :)

Warpmind> Stupid customer story - oh my god. How the heck did this idiot make it to puberty, let alone adulthood? :)

Coyote> >'tis a relief to know I drive a car that could (theoretically) saw a Honda in half. :)< Yep, that would be pretty reassuring. ;) BTW, read Team Bravo, loved it. :)

David G> Kewl stuff on the illuminati.

Christine> >Nah ... there's been a story out there for years called something like "The Interrogation of Princess Leia", and that icked even _me_ out < The woman who wrote _that_ Scooby doo story? It must have been bad. ;) But seriously, I can’t wait to read your Obi story. Let us know when you've finished it. (If you haven't already guessed, patience is not a virtue I possess in any way, shape or form. ;))

Atilla> Thanks *Pats*

Heather> Don’t worry too much about your first day at High School... The first day is usually absolutely frantic and very confusing, but not too bad, overall. It’s the couple of hundred days after you have to worry about. (Just joking :)).

Traveller> > Especially *when* he reported it stolen, and what his driving record looks like.< Yeah, if he reported it stolen after I was hit, he’d better have a damn good alibi. >Depending on how they hit you and the make of the van, they might have done more damage to the van than to your car.< Nah, it was older than mine. But from what my neighbour told me about what it looked like when she saw it dumped, they must have hit a pole that was older and stronger than the van. >:) >also I believe your writing style is improving from your earlier efforts. < Thanks. I don’t know if this is a normal thing, but I’ve got mixed feelings about my first fics. I’m proud of them, ‘cos I got the guts to post them, but it’s also like *cringe* ‘I _really_ hope I’m getting better at this.’ :)

Kitania> *blushes* Thanks.

Lexy and Kai> *grins* I’m so glad you guys had a good time together. Here's to many more visits that are even better!!

Welcome to the newbies! :)

Mandolin> Buff witch project> *ROTFLMAO* I would _love_ to see that!!

ironwolf> >Has anyone else ever had a serial dream?< Yes, a couple of years ago. I hated every second of it. Basically, it involved one of my best friends getting hit by a car and going to hospital. The next night, I dreamt she died. Two nights after that, I dreamt of her funeral. The big mistake was that, the night after I dreamt she got hit by the car (before I dreamt she died), I told my friend about it - just one of those ‘I had a really weird/horrible dream last night’ things. The next day she asked me, just joking, had I had anymore dreams about her. I’m a hopeless liar when it comes to these sorts of things, so as you can imagine, those three dreams pretty much scared the crap out of us. Fortunately, they didn’t come true. :)

Doug> Oh no!! My condolences, and I hope you get a new job soon.

traveler> I hope you find those tapes soon.

Paul> I understand you were just expressing your opinion, and I respect that, but I don’t think it was something for the public forum. There’s a bit of an unspoken rule, (at least, one that I always try to follow) that if you don’t like the way a certain author writes, you either simply don’t read their work, or you email them and tell them, as politely as possible, what you didn’t like. You don’t do it in a public forum like the CR. It’s very rude.

Denis> *Fleur covers Sli Sludge in lighter fluid and sets fire to him. As he runs, burning and screaming around the CR, he spots the moat and leaps in to put out the flames. The fire goes out, which only makes it easier for the alligators to eat him.* Get well soon, buddy.

Xanathar> I sent you an em. Hope it arrived.

TTFN!

**OBNOXIOUSLY LONG RP - SORRY!**
“I don’t get it,” Doug says, “You said you wanted to destroy the weapons, but you couldn’t. So why have you got them with you?”
“I met somebody, a Kalya named Rhoama. He was like a resistance leader. After my mother was killed, he got in contact with me. When I first came to the planet, they started training me to be a Priestess because I seemed to have a natural talent for it. Then after... well, Rhoama convinced me to stay in the Church so that I could get to the sword and the blade. When we realised I couldn’t destroy them, we decided to steal them and ransom them in exchange for making the Marnia reveal the truth. But,” Fleur shrugs sadly, “some Marnia soldiers... they attacked the people we were hiding with. Some of us managed to get away with the weapons, but I just don’t know about the others. Rhoama convinced me to leave, to go back to Earth and take them with me. He told me that he would find descendants of the First a Kalya and a Marnia, and when he did, we’d give _them_ the weapons and see if maybe history would repeat itself, that they’d do what the First did.”
“What happened?” Kitania asks gently. Fleur touches the medallion around her neck.
“The Marnia must have found out where I was, or maybe they just suspected I would go back to Earth. They sent out a party to bring me and the weapons back. The leader of the party, he told me.... they caught Rhoama. He’s dead.”
“What about the party they sent after you?” Lathrop asks.
“They’re not going to be a problem.” Fleur replies darkly, “I hope I’ve bought some time, but I doubt it. When they don’t report back, the Marnia are going to know, if they didn’t know already, that I’m here. That’s why I asked Wilek to keep an eye out for their ships. There’s other people like Rhoama. They’re doing the same thing he is, I mean, was. They’ve already found one suitable person, it won’t take them too long to find another. Until then, I _can’t_ let the Marnia get their hands on these weapons.”
“How much danger is Earth in?” Doug asks.
“They're not out to harm anyone on Earth - they only want the weapons, but they’ll do anything to get their hands on them. That’s why I need your help. I’ll fight the Marnia. It’s my battle, and my fault they’re here, so you shouldn’t have to risk your lives for this. But if there is a battle, and there probably will be, please, keep people away. I don’t want any innocent by-standers getting hurt,” Fleur sighs, and looks up at the Ravens, “I know I haven’t been the best person lately, but will you forgive me for leaving and help me?”
**END INCREDIBLY LONG RP**

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 11:33:47 PM
IP: pig.cc.monash.edu.au

ok
someone sensitive- 1.00
Coyote- 50.00
Lexy- 10.00
Kaioto- 1.00
Cherry- 2.00
Skippy- 5.00
Mandolin- 1.00
------------------------
70.00

Coolies! *keeps the tally going*
Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 11:26:42 PM
IP: d081.hnet.net

Oh, yeah: I'd donate a buck for the Robby & Heather fund.
He's romantic, too
But don't hold your breath....Saturday, August 14, 1999 10:54:14 PM
IP: pppa124.connect.ab.ca

Paul, remember what happened last time someone insulted a friend of mine? Of course, this time the rage will be directed via email, but I guarantee it will be no less vicious. Shape up. NOW.


Someone sensitive - [2]
The time of my return draws nearer....Saturday, August 14, 1999 10:50:42 PM
IP: pppa124.connect.ab.ca

HERE Is my addy again!!!!

lex@hnet.net
Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 10:16:44 PM
IP: d081.hnet.net

Paul Nathans: Okay, bubba, enough is enough. All you have ever done since you first came in here is piss people off, and for some reason you've focused your hatred on Christine Morgan. She's a damn fine writer, but if you don't like her stories, fine. DON'T READ 'EM! That's as simple as it gets. If you want to "enlighten" her, send her some constructive criticism. The key word being CONSTRUCTIVE. But what did you do instead? You posted in a public place and bashed Christine. You don't pull that kind of crap and expect to get away with it. The best way I can illustrate this is by telling you my own personal reaction to feedback. If somebody tells me, "Well, this part works, but that part doesn't," that's fine. That's constructive, and it helps me improve the story and my writing in general, and I'm thankful for it. But if somebody tells me, "Your writing is lousy"--which you said about Christine's work--if somebody said that to me, I would kick his pathetic ass. I don't know how Christine will react, but I hope the punishment she chooses will leave you scarred for life. You've gone too far, bubba. And by the way, if you think Christine "trashes" the characters, then you've got your head up your ass. Yeesh! Not only are you an asshole, but you're completely full of shit.
Extremely Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 10:06:24 PM
IP: wire-9.koalas.com

THANKS!!

Coyote- 50.00
Lexy- 10.00
Skippy- 5.00
Cherry- 2.00
Kaioto- 1.00
Mandolin- 1.00
--------------
69.00

GREAT JOB PPL!!!
Lexy
Saturday, August 14, 1999 10:02:27 PM
IP: d081.hnet.net

Lexy> you should have an e-m from me saying I'll be putting up five for the cause :)

On a note to all Dallas residents, it looks like the only Rocky Horror Picture Show theatrical group in Dallas is loosing their theater.

Small Furry Animals with Duct Tape has been doing RHPS out at the Walnut Twin theater in Garland for some time now. But I just checked out their website and discovered the theater they were performing will now be featuring Star Wars Episode One for their midnight matinee starting August 28...

While watching these guys do a x-over parody of the two films might be interesting (Darth Maul in garters and stockings?) It's safe to say it's most likely not happening... if your in the area it would be cool if you could come and show some support to these guys for these last two performances. Check my name link for more info...
Skippy the Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Transexual, Transylvania, In the State of Orgasm
Saturday, August 14, 1999 09:59:38 PM
IP: uv1-50.ultravision.net

*wipes a tear* *nods to Coyote* Yes, We would, and still will help you in any way we can *shakes your hand* thank you very much for your help

Coyote- 50.00
Lexy- 10.00
Kaioto- 1.00 ( as of now;)*
Cheery- 2.00
Mandonlin- 1.00
----------------
64.00

Great job ppls!!

*smiles at Robby* OH good im glad your not killing me..kai may have a bone to pick if ya did *smiles*

OK as of the specific details I purposfully waited for a while to post them. As of Now the best Idea is to send the money to my addy so that I can send it either to Robby or to Heather. This is to avoid giving out Heathers address and scaring her poor mother. But ofcourse If Robby is able, it would be best to send it to him.

Robby, is that ok with you? IF so..postEE *grins*

If not here is my Email me and I can hook up with you and give my address.

As for time limit..well THERE ISNT ONE so go nuts. The faster of course the better..but we dont wanna rush ya.

Again, thank you all for dealing with my insanity trying to get couples together..and also..dont give up Coyote ok? We are all here for ya..*wishes the best for you*

THANKS *will be back later* *half threat/half promise*
Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 09:32:22 PM
IP: d083.hnet.net

Coyote : **runs towards him and hugs him tightly** Two words : THANK YOU ! **hugs him** Anyway, Warner Robins is two hours south of Atlanta.
All money will be mailed to Lexy anyway.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 09:26:54 PM
IP: 98a94b43.ipt.aol.com

Well....I dont post often due to some factors...but I feel that I must speak out now because of my respect for those Involved....

Paul> I shall try to be brief and as diplomatic as I can, my intention is not to: start,continue or ad to a flame war of any kind. This I must say, Im a fan of Christine's fiction and feel that she is a great author, because of her deep, detailed and belivable characters. The 'realistic feeling' of her universe and the great writing style. NOw I have not read much of Jewel's works...but what I have read is also great....and Im not going to compare the two of them...or any fanfic writers..... the point is that, although you were 'just stating your opinion' you were dooing it in a very agressive and deconstructing way...in public. This kind of behavior gets a bit under my skin......but thats my problem. The bottom line: If you dont like someone's work, attitude, habits...... then it is better to politely inform the subject in private...or not at all. Now lets all try to be polite adults here.
Frodo
Saturday, August 14, 1999 09:14:35 PM
IP: ras158.vortex.is

**enters the room, switching out the candles, then sitting in the big chair**

Not a lot this evening, but I can make do with what I've got to work with ...

Wilek, re: Clan Detroit: Actually, the main reason why I had them go to Detroit was because the city started out as Fort Michlimackinac ... *literally,* it was a fort. They were used to defend the fort against enemy forces (i.e. Native Americans and English), keeping the settlers inside safe. In other words, the fort was a North American version of a castle, which led them to naturally gravitate to the fort.
However, I'm unsure whether there were any similar forts further into the state. I'm pretty sure that the possibility exists for more of the French gargs to have settled around the state. If you can find a map of Michigan, check the amount of cities around my lovely home state that have French names.

Paul: I must concur with everyone else in here that you *are* obsessed with Xenogears. I have *yet* to see you post without mentioning it once in comparison to something totally unrelated. Now while some obsessions aren't as bad as others (for instance, my own two pet obsessions: Gargoyles and Cadillacs), you my friend seem to be campaigning to *live* in Xenogears. Take this as you will ... but sometime put *down* the controller and enter the real world.

Lexy: I must be thoroughly insane, but I'm going to contribute to your fund. **walks up to Lexy and counts out $50** For three reasons. One, Robby is a good friend. Two, Heather is almost like a sister to me. Three, because I know for sure that you'd do the same for me and Ravyn ... right? **looks expectantly**

Theresa: Okay, the details as I know it ... the trip is Heather going to Robby. Robby lives in San Antonio. Heather lives in Georgia, unsure about the area but IIRC it's north of Atlanta (right, Heather? Correct me if I'm wrong).

**sits back in the big chair, sighing and fixating on the candle's flame**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, August 14, 1999 09:07:44 PM
IP: modem89.i-is.com

hello, all
since I suffer a bad ear infection, I'll make it short

Paul Allen Nathans> Buddy, if there's something that can piss me off, it's insulting my friends. And you see, Christine Morgan is my best friend, somebody I regard as a sister.
You don't like her writing? fine, nobody couldn't please everybody. but the way you flamed her is pure rudeness in my book.
Everybody is free to explore the gargdom in his/her fanfic as it please to him/her.
In my opinion, Christine is a great writer, both of fanfics and professional writers as Will Gibson, Nigel Findley, Marion Zimmer Bradley or Ann Rice.
there's some ficverse I don't like, but then I just don't read them and leave their authors alone as long as they do the same.
I'm sorry if I sound tough and mean
but, as we say in french: "j'ai vu rouge".

now, on a more pleasant topic:
Garg 2K episode #17: Injustice For All: It's growing, guys, but goes a bit slower those days due to my health situation. but be patient. a trailer will be post soon. Won't it, Fred?


On this I'm off to bed. 7 pills to get before and sleep!

bye!

Denis "Wyrmwolf" De Plaen - [wyrmwolf@lft.be]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 08:53:35 PM
IP: dialup1309.brussels.skynet.be

Lexy lets get your plan in a little more detail. Are we sending Heather to Robby, Robby to Heather, or are we trying to get the two of them together for Orlando? What is our time frame and where is Hearther, were is Robby (Texas?¿ I think I meet the evil one at the Gathering.) I love planning the future of the almost unsuspecting.

Auntie Starsinger the hopless romantic.


Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 08:10:39 PM
IP: proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net

Hmm, haven't used my piccie in a while...

Paul Allan Nathans- Okay, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt in this one case and assume for some reason you did not read the recently reposted CR rules. Go back to Wensday and read them. Among the rules is "NO FLAMES TO ANOTHER PERSON". Your blatant insulting of Christine strikes me as a flame, and I don't like it. I see that there IS an opinion of sorts in there, but it comes off as more of an insult in my eyes. I would say more, but others have already said it. You're recieving a first warning now from the CR Administrator.

And off that note, whether you admit it or not, you ARE obsessed with Xenogears. Yes, its a good game, but it is not by any means the story, game, or soundtrack to end all. I've played it, and while good, I've far more enjoyed
other books, (Ender's Game for instance) other soundtracks, (Final Fantasy 3, Tarzan, Land Before Time for instance) and other games. (Tetris, Unholy War, and Mega Man off the top of my head.) Get over it man, Xenogears is a GAME and should not be the center of your life.

Jenniren- Dark Rich Orange, despite being the color of my dead evil twin, seems to work well with the Asrial pic. And since Lonny is dead and never coming back, I say go with it.

Jaden- If more people visit Station 8 I won't insist.

Anonymous- Geez, a bit of patience, please! TGS is not putting out any more episodes at the moment, but Dark Ages season 2 is nearing completion and will be coming soon.

Sorow- Okay.

Lexy- The charity drive is a nice thought. A bit embarrassing, but a nice thought. I won't kill you for it, indeed, the method you chose to present the idea in gave me a chuckle. I'll put forward just about whatever I have at the time. (But sorry, not giving up my comic books! It costs far more to get them in backstock, AND they're harder to find!)


Robby
Saturday, August 14, 1999 08:02:47 PM
IP: spider-to044.proxy.aol.com

anonymous>> Please have some patience. It's a very slow day for this place. If you choose to include your e-mail addy people will reply to you privately. If not, please have some patience and courtesy to those who are here. I just got off an eight hour shift and one of the first things I do is check the comment rooms and help newbies out.

Paul>> Ever since you arrived in this comment room all you have done is trash Christine. In case you haven't noticed, you upset Jewel very much with your negative remarks. I have read Christine's work but not yet Jewel's. That's only because I don't feel ready for them yet. Almost everyone WITHOUT exception thinks very highly of of her and her writings. They also think equally high of Christine's.

The problem with you is you are so stuck in your stupid Xenogears universe that's all you think about and compare even your real life to it. Grow up and wake up. If your whole life revolves around a stupid game, you are ill. You are obsessed and you don't really have a clue to what's going on outside that game.

Fanfic by it's very nature is written by and for fans. It is not written for just one person. IF you don't like someone's work don't read it. Plain and simple. But I warn you, don't keep trashing Christine.
I feel that you still don't have a clue to the Goliath and Elisa relationship. Even in the show they were showing that it was possible for to different species to find common enough ground to actually be in love with one another. One of the earliest clues was "Eye of the Beholder" where Elisa was in costume and said "I've wanted to do this for a long time." Even before that in the episode, Goliath was holding her hand when she'd let him know about the werefox's attack. If Goliath is one of the pivotal characters so is Elisa. She is his point/counterpoint in life. She is the balance that he needs in the new life.

Many fanfic writers do write about romance. Some of us are hopeless romantics and we like to read about that love between people. Not all fanfic writers do Goliath and Elisa. Christie Smyth Hayden does Lexington/Tina and Brooklyn/Avery. Except for a few brief paragraphs in her stories, she writes almost nothing about Goliath and Elisa.

Skydance and Lisette write G&E. Others write their own characters into the equation. I read each author's writing on that author and that author alone. I do not compare aside from did I like the story or not to any other author.

By the way, can you even answer ONE post without something from that stupid game. I don't think so. Can't think an original thought if it's not from that game can you.??¿¿

Starsinger the less than diplomatic.


Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 07:15:34 PM
IP: proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net

**looks in the shadows and smiles at Lexy** Thank you everyone. This would mean about to Robby and myself. **looks at Robby** If only I can get him out of his depression.
**frowns**
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 06:19:40 PM
IP: 98a94b43.ipt.aol.com

THANKS!!!

Mandolin- 1.00
Kaioto- 1.00
Cherry- 2.00
Lexy- 10.00
----------------
14.00

thanks!!

*keeps tally at home* remember ppl HONOR SYSTEM HERE *grins* i expect nothing less of you guys *grins*
lexy
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:35:11 PM
IP: d122.hnet.net

Anonymous> My God, and I thought I had no patience! It's a Saturday afternoon, and you couldn't wait more than three hours for someone who's knowledgeable about TGS to get through all of his/her real-life garbage, make it to the computer, get online, load the room, and answer your question??? This is a COMMENT room, not a chat room, and most people can't find the time to get on and check it every twenty minutes.

As for your question - if you're referring to The Gargoyles Saga, Season 2 of Gargoyles, Pendragon, and Timedancer have ended. The TGS staff is TRYING to get Season 2 of Dark Ages out and we're working on story arcs for Season 3. Keep in mind, the TGS staff is comprised of fans of the show who are not paid to do this and often have to juggle time along with full- or part-time jobs as well as classes. Hey, I'd love to blow off my job and my education and do nothing but write fanfic, but you know what? I'd be broke, uneducated, and Mom would kick me out if I tried to pull something like that.


Paul> Christine trashes the characters?? Ouch! If you have a problem with her writing, why don't you EM her more constructive criticism rather than posting all that in a public forum? Now I'm betting Christine has a thicker skin than me, but as an aspiring writer, if someone posted something like that about my fanfics, I'd be in tears right now. I love both Christine and Jewel's writings for different reasons, because their writing styles are entirely different. I also know a few fanfic writers whose stuff I'm not thrilled with, but I'll send them criticism privately. I don't care WHY you don't like Christine's writing, I'm just surprised you're so upset about the poll. You don't need to justify your opinion, just why you express your opinions that way.


Lexy> I would be happy to contribute to this fund. :)

Now where was I? Oh, yes...

**BOWFINGER REVIEW!**

Okay... to anyone who's turned off by the apparent "stupidity" of the trailers, don't be. Mostly, the ads show Murphy as Jiff, the delivery boy lookalike of Kit Ramsey, Murphy's other role. Murphy is even funnier as Ramsey himself, a top action star who's a completely paranoid basketcase.

But I'm getting ahead of myself here. "Bowfinger" is a sharp, funny satire of Hollywood - everything from Scientology to Method acting gets blasted here. Yes, there is some stupid humor, but in context it works. One scene to worry about: don't let impressionable children watch Jiff running across the freeway. It's a hysterically funny (and kind of scary when you think about it) scene, but not one you want to imitate. But the rest of the movie had me laughing my ass off. Go see it, it's worth the ticket price.

**END REVIEW!**

Doug> Ack! I'm so sorry to hear you lost your job, and because of DOWNSIZING? Geez...

Okay, a friend of mine is sitting and reading, waiting for me to finish this up so we can leave. So that's all for now.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:31:02 PM
IP: pm3-3-ppp35.iximd.com

ALRIGHT PPL great job! We already have pleadged 13.00 in the last hour or so! Great job!

Lexy- 10.00
Cherry- 2.00
Kaioto- 1.00 (thus far *grins)

*looks at Kai* YES you did donate *glares*

THANKS for your support so far!
Lexy
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:29:56 PM
IP: d122.hnet.net

hi all!!

you know, if its ok with all of you I'll stick with this piccie

lexy< I think that would work!! I would totally get a dollar or two for them, I mean, I got to see how happy you and Kai were right??*lol* as for Lex having experience being a dad because of his experiences with Alex, I think he would have more simply because Alex had magic that he has to learn to control, you know?

Coyote< wow, I hadn't heard that Columbine was openening up again! with all those cameras and security guard they must be geting, I think I would agree with you, metal detectors wouldn't hurt.

traveler<I don't know what tapes you're talking about, but if you're still looking for them look under the couch cushion, thats where I find the majority of things I lose *g* that or in the kitchen cupboards

I'm still really new at this so if anybody has any tips, that would be very nice, thankee!
Bye all!!

cherry blossom - [Chryblsm15@AOL.com]
WI, US of A
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:23:51 PM
IP: abd1e6d2.ipt.aol.com

Seeds of Change Is the latest ep. You just have to wait till they make some more *L*
Lexy
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:23:03 PM
IP: d122.hnet.net

Where do you find the new episodes. Are they in the Current Episodes place, because I haven't been able to get any new ones since Seeds of change. What's up?
Anonymous
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:19:37 PM
IP: filter.burgoyne.com

Ill answer that ..I guess..the new eps come out on a daily basis. Say like a new ep of Gargoyles will come out late sunday, I dont know what the days are for the other eps. but that is how it goes. Thanks
Lexy
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:06:21 PM
IP: d122.hnet.net

HEY, SOMEBODY WANT TO ANSWER ME PLEASE INSTEAD OF TOTALLY IGNORING MY QUESTION???? WHERE ARE THE NEW CURRENT EPISODES, HAVE THEY NOT MADE THEM YET, OR CAN I JUST NOT GET THEM ON MY COMPUTER????? PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!
thank you
Anonymous
Saturday, August 14, 1999 05:01:58 PM
IP: filter.burgoyne.com

Paul Allen< Ok first off I understand that you are mearly giving an opinion and are not trying to throw rocks and I will respect that. But I dont think your evaluation is fair at all. First off KNOWONES FAN FIC fallows the show. THEY arent supposed to. That is the point of it being a FAN FIC it is THE FANS fic they can do as they wish. DO you also judge fics that are crossovers? Gee..gargs never had animainacts there..boy this sure is a bad fic. NO its not. It just happens to be different. Fanfic is there to sustain us from the lack of the show. Not to reproduce it in its entirety. You can judge her writing in fanfiction in that way at all. IF anything. If you want to look at her writing skills you had better be judging, "Curse of the Shadow Beasts". Only that would be a fair evaluation. Comparing her unique fan fic to that of the Orginal show is silly. I havent read this other authers works, and Ive no doubts it is well written. Better? well I cant say. But I still think U have a right to your opinion ofcourse..but the way u are comparing is wrong.
Lexy
Saturday, August 14, 1999 04:41:40 PM
IP: d122.hnet.net

Traveler-I know you were poking fun at me too. I know you probably wanted a reaction. Therefore I intended to not give one. I defended the Game, and I will do so whenever necessary. The Game is the best story out there, its my opinion, and I am not obsessed. I just like Stories.
My comment on the XENOGEARS Music, too, is based on my opinion. I like Music, not modern music, actually, but plenty of other types. XENOGEARS Music is my favorite Music. Don't insult something you know nothing about, please.
As for your attitude about emotions, and my opinion of it, if you have paid a lot of attention you'd know why I compliment the Game. Totally realistic characters, wonderful Music, incredible story. So on. I Quote from it a lot because of the great lines.
As for calling me names, well, I've got a Reply here: Takes a fool to know a fool. <----- If that actually offended you I'll apologize.
I would advise ceasing to insult something you know nothing about. As much as you think I'm taking this to far, and I'm not, in my opinion, plenty of people love XENOGEARS as much, or more, than I do... Well, keep in mind that you know nothing about the Game, so you cannot insult it.
I do not worship the Game either. Yeesh, you can't just say things to someone when you don't even understand what the point is. You don't insult people on misinterpretations.

Posting Absence-I was busy with other aspects. I finally checked the Comment Room today.

Kaioto-I only skimmed the Post, so I may have misunderstood part of it, but it seems you're trying to explain your opinion on weaponry. First of all, the weapons don't slay people in most cases, unless by accident. Its the people who hurt each other. Not all people do, though... You might've said this, but I'm getting this part clear to support what may come after.
People hurt each other because some people like to. Those who do do. Others unintentionally hurt others. Mutual coexistence isn't exactly so easy. As for hurting... There's no light and dark, they're colors, they don't always represent good, and evil. Keep in mind that in STAR WARS, the Dark Side of the Force was originally used for good, until the Sith warped it.
Humans hurt each other because they get hurt or have reasons to hurt. Each person has reasons to not hurt or to hurt. Not everyone does.
If that's what you were showing then consider this a supportive commentary, if it isn't, consider it a Reply.

Christine Morgan's Writing Versus Jewel Faulkner's Writing:
I haven't mentioned this before, because I won't say something derogatory, but since this was brought up, now I need to state why I view Jewel Faulkner's stories as better. So I'll give both sides of the viewpoint.
I didn't intend to insult anyone before, I just intended to give my views of the Poll. Now, however, I am giving my explanation, so if someone feels insulted, ask for an apology, and I'll give it. Insult me and you'll be ignored or politely responded to as I see fit.
First of all, I have no superiority complex. Secondly, I hold no grudge against Christine Morgan. Third, Jewel Faulkner is a better writer, I didn't like seeing Christine Morgan beat her because she, although she writes well, trashes the characterization in many, many cases.
She's ruined the personalities of many of the characters in the show. Furthermore, she doesn't even keep with the GARGOYLES Theme, she focuses mainly on romance, which was never a strong point of GARGOYLES to begin with. She messed up the whole concept of Elisa and Goliath's relationship, made the characters do things very unbelievable, and turned them into people who seemed to care only about romance in many, many cases where they would not have. Plus, the aspect of physical relationships was brought up way too much. Not one of the characters, save maybe Brooklyn, cares about what anyone looks like, and in CONFESSIONS, that was going too far with Brooklyn.
Most of the time I can barely stand reading any of the stories, the only one I think I've really read was BREEDING SEASON, because it said Season Finale, and I did want to know how good she could do with a Season Finale. All in all, it was okay, but there were still plenty trashed aspects. Nevermind Hudson barely able to maintain composure in a certain scene with Delilah when she wants him to help her have children. That's very out of character.
As is every single mating insinuation scene that used the original characters. New characters she can shape as she sees fit, but with the original characters... They're way out of character. Not one of them would act as they did in those cases. Nor would there be the prospect of a physical relationship anywhere anyway save perhaps with Brooklyn. Again, though, CONFESSIONS takes that too far, he would not have done what he did.
She writes well, but she has trashed the characters so much that I do not like her writing, and I don't read it anymore. The last piece of her writing I read was BREEDING SEASON. It was okay, but that was really the only one I wanted to read. The others... Well, I'm not reading any after because I don't want to see the characters trashed anymore.
Nor the overusage of the romance, nor a physical relationship in the romance aspect, which is also severely trashing the storyline.
Jewel Faulkner, on the other hand, from the start, took the GARGOYLES Theme of finding a place to live, a reason to live, and what it means to live. She created great characters. Better than anything Christine Morgan has done, although the characters alone don't make her writing better. If she'd trashed the characters from the show I might not have been too amused. However, her creating better characters, and this one is definitely opinion, made her writing much better.
She kept with the theme of life. She made a beautiful tapestry out of that theme, out of two characters, and out of what's happened to them. She made them incredibly realistic, something Christine Morgan has done, but again, I already stated why her writing's lousy, in my opinion. Jewel Faulkner was better at showing emotion, and had better characters. The tragedies and the constant struggles to live didn't cease, each situation was dealt with, and worked through, and the theme of life wasn't yet lost. The situations of the characters were very much in keeping with the theme of GARGOYLES, another aspect that makes Jewel Faulkner's writing much better. There was real emotion in any romantic aspects, Christine Morgan had some, but concentrated mostly on physical relationships, which mean nothing in truly caring for someone. Jewel Faulkner had physical relationships in the stories, but they were various sides to the relationships, and didn't become anything major at all, except when used as plot elements, like Mark Adams in portions of LUX PERPETUA, Christine, and Alexander in MISERERE MEI DEUS, and Christian's nightmares, and how they were handled at the start of APOKALYPSIS. The original characters were handled very well, there's one exception, but that's just my own view on how Titania would react to what happened in the stories. Well, in APOKALYPSIS.
The characters are extremely well done, the plot twists are great, the emotions are shown on a full scale, the theme of GARGOYLES is recounted fully, and made even greater than anything in the actual show. LUX PERPETUA, PART II was simply beautiful, MISERERE MEI DEUS, and how it dealt with a final resolution to how Christine seems to often run back, and forth from people, with no reason to live, how it dealt with why Mark really cares about her, the whole redemption part... Despite Jewel's protestations to the contrary, things did happen in MISERERE MEI DEUS.
Granted, Chrstine's still partially running, I haven't read PART VI yet. But she lost her family, can anyone blame her!? Humans aren't perfect, she can make plenty of mistakes, and she certainly has. Thinking that taking lives was really the sole reason she had left was touching in how it showed how depressed she was. Many people latch onto constants like destruction and ending lives when hurt. Christine thought that taking lives was the reason to live then, her reason to live, and responded accordingly. Owen may have halted this, for a time.
The stories are very, very beautiful, and very, very moving. I'll be reading APOKALYPSIS, PART VI, upon getting more BREATH OF FIRE: MYRIA'S LEGACY done. I'm hoping for a lot of things to happen, namely, the Fates getting trashed for manipulating others' lives. Not harmfully, obviously, I don't like violence. If it comes to that, though...
Even if they don't work out, I'll still like the story. Once again, the characters are really, really good. The only original characters better belong to Mieu Sedai's REBORN AGAIN and XENOGEARS.
Hope's one of my all-time favorites. How much she gives up for the people she loves is really cool. Considering the general decadence of society, seeing someone like her in an 'Earth World' is really cool. She's obviously no perfect angel either, but she's the GARGOYLES' Athenaverse's closest thing to a perfect angel right now.
She understands how to live, what living is for.
The following Quote:

"People support each other to live... That's what makes us happy... So share that happiness with others... And please, Lacan, live!!"-Sophia
XENOGEARS

That emphasizes what it means to live very well.
You try to keep on living, and you live by being supported by others, and by supporting others. Hope understood this.
The other characters, too, were great in their emotional depth, despite their perceptions of life. Hope was an example, and her character depth is shown very well.
She's just an example/analysis of a character.
All of the characters have incredible depth. The writing is wonderful, the best of all the GARGOYLES Fanfiction. Scott Iskow has the best interpretation of the original characters, his is just as good as Jewel Faulkner's, but he shows them more, so that's why he wins on that aspect. Discounting who shows them more, they both tie. Jewel Faulkner is the best GARGOYLES Fanfiction Writer in my opinion, and I will stand by that.

Jewel Faulkner-Why I didn't Send you Electronic Mail is that I didn't get around to it. GARGOYLES Fanfiction isn't exactly my top priority, I probably would have Sent you Electronic Mail eventually. I got around to Sending Electronic Mail to Scott Iskow, I would have gotten around to Sending Electronic Mail to you.

Goliath and Elisa-Their relationship isn't as important to the main theme of the story. Actually, neither were Fei's, and Elly's, Kitainia. Their relationship wasn't as important as the 'humans supporting each other' point.

Doug and Kitainia-Have you finished LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE yet? Don't forget to check your Save Files after winning, in case you forgot me mentioning this before.

"It is for this very reason, because humans have this wretched 'will', or whatnot, that humans must continue to live in a state of imperfection! 'As is', 'as will be'... It is impossible for humans to live in a state of mutual understanding!"-Krelian
"Well, that's okay, too. Being imperfect is what makes humans live by helping one another. That's 'mutual understanding'. That's 'unity' and 'love'! I'm glad, no, I'm proud, to be human!"-Fei Fong Wong
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 04:30:37 PM
IP: 60.morristown-03-04rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

*walks in and takes her seat at the podium* *clears her thought loudly* Laides and gentlmen of this comment room..Have you ever had a really dumb idea? So dumb..so Crazy..so Radical that It may just work? Well my friends..I have had such a thought just a while ago. Let me explain. You all know our good friends Heather and Robby right? The poor lil couple that cant see eachother? OH THE NIGHTS they have cried! DO YOU FEEL guitly? YOU BET YOU DO! Do you want to help them?? YOU BET YOU DO! Am I leading you on _just_ a little here?? YOU BET I AM! But what is my point you ask? OK OK Ill get to it..my point is..that these two cant see eachother unless TWO things happen. 1) Heather needs to get good grades on her report card..she can do that herself. 2.) They need to save up 286.00 cash. Now..Heather can give up her comics and books for a while..that goes for Robby too..and Heather can get that job at Office Max..oh sure..but is that enough??? HOW ARE WE the comment room going to show our support to this couple! Well I propose we have a fundrive!! THATS RIGHT ! Fellow CR'ers unite! "Donate a doller" Thats right! Donate a doller for Heather and Robby fund! Am i joking? NO IM NOT! Is this compleatly crazy? YES IT IS! And to show im a compleat pycho I hearby donate not 1 but 10 dollers to this more then worthy cause! We are asking humbly that you send a minimum donation of a doller to help Robby and Heather finally meet in person! What better a cause for that old rinkled doller in your pocked hey?? We ofcourse do not expect to earn all the money off of donations..but hey..it is a help as small as it may be. SO show your support! A fallow up post will come later after I find out how compleatly crazy you ppl think we are. If you go along with it, then we will put up an addy for you to send this cash to. THANK YOU for reading this! Your support is needed and very appreciated! OH and if Kaioto, Robby, Or Gorbesh (sp) kill me for this post..please remember me as the crazy girl in the back that loved Lexington! THANKS AGAIN! *runs out*

Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 03:22:49 PM
IP: d122.hnet.net

* Test!*
Trying to see if I can do this..
Bronx Wyvern - [Bronx4me@aol.com]
Saturday, August 14, 1999 03:05:54 PM
IP: spider-to044.proxy.aol.com

Well, I hope everyone ELSE had a good morning cause I woke up and everything bit my ass at once! *sigh*

Robby> Shut up :)

Wilek> I had that dream a couple months ago after I had watched all my tapes on a sudden gargoyle spree. When watching Awakenings Pt 5, I noticed how good Brooklyn looks in glasses *without* the lenses. Since then I always thought he'd make a really good college professor or some other studious degree. And then I thought of my brother and...BAM! Doctor Brooklyn, expert surgeon! He'd look really good on the set of ER :)
SOROW
Saturday, August 14, 1999 02:32:38 PM
IP: usr12-dialup114.mix1.irving.cw.net

Hey, is it just my computer, or have they stopped making episodes for a while?
Anonymous
Saturday, August 14, 1999 02:20:49 PM
IP: filter.burgoyne.com

Wilek Nereus> You'd think that but you aren't remembering how imune fey are to human weapons like silver bullets, wooden arrows, grenades, steel cannonballs, and spitwads.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, August 14, 1999 09:41:47 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

Hi all!!

Delphi:Thank you for telling me what Zoog Disney is.:)

Warpmind:why do I have a feeling we'd be able to get a buttload of laughs from the surroundings, should we ever meet? I get a very distinct feeling we could do a lot of good in this world. Or bad, depending on the flip of the coin. Of course, considering we're pretty much on opposite sides of the planet, you in Australia, me in Norway, it'll have to wait a while. Or maybe we meet at G2000? I'll try, for all it's worth. **Starts polishing the shotgun before visiting the bank**>>I'd love to get to go to a Gathering one of these days but being a minimum wage earner I will have problems getting arline tickets.:(

lucid dreaming:I think I've had these but Im not sure,I often get dreams where I can repeat segments of the dream over and over again until Im happy with it,but most of the time I wake up when I realise it's a dream.

Doug:Sorry to hear you lost your job.:(

Aaron:(Reads G2001 plans)*LOL*Cool!:)

Welcome to all newbies:)


**THE JOYRIDE**
Everybody in the hearse watches as the grenade goes off and spreads a greenish gas all over the Police and army personel and one by one they are overcome by violent siezures and fits of swearing,effectively paralizing them.

"Now we go in!"said Jack slamming his foot to the floor sending the hearse rocketing towards the mansion and strait through the front door sending cement,wood and glass flying in all directions with the hearse finally comming to rest in one of the living rooms.

"Everybody out!"said Jack as the Joyriders got out and began to search the rooms looking for the govenor and the remaining Backstreet Boys...

**TO BE CONTINUED**

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Saturday, August 14, 1999 07:58:48 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

****BEGIN RP!!!****
"That's a very impressive creation you have there." The evil scientist says as he walks up behind Thailog and his companions. Startled Thailog turns and says, "You have five seconds to tell me who you are and how you got in here!"
"How I got in here was easy for a man of my intelligence," replies the new comer. "...and as for who I am well lets just say that you've already met two of MY creations. Namely Tracker and Hades."
"Ah. So you're their master. I must tell you that your little monsters have not been very successful in dealing with our enemies."
"Well neither have any of yours I might add, but you know the old saying...'At first you don't succeed, try and try again.' This time with your help we will win."
"Tell me more." Thailog says with an evil grin.
To be continued.
****END RP!!!****

Jenniren-<Lucid dreamin> That's the term I was trying to think of. Thanks.

Robby-Well if you insist.

13th Warrior and Sixth Sense-I must see these!

See ya later!

Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Saturday, August 14, 1999 01:57:26 AM
IP: pm0-21.vpop1.avtel.net

So do I. I was just trying not to panic. I've already done enough of that over these tapes. If I never Find those tapes again I am going to go crazy. I'm going to bed now , but if anyone has a frw comforting words for me when I wake up , maybe it'll prevent me from pulling my hair out. Good night my rookery brothers and sisters.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, August 14, 1999 01:28:29 AM
IP: liverpool-143.comnetcom.net

**RP!**

[In the Avatar of Ganon's hangar bay, the mysterious new arrival, a heavily modified Naboo N-1 has just landed and is being closely watched by the security team. Strangely, the canopy doesn't open--a hatch directly beneath the cockpit opens and a mechanism deposits a familiar black hoverchair onto the floor, a hoverchair which trundles in the general direction of the team. It's Darth Jashin. "Interesting. I don't usually get this warm a welcome from the kinds of places I'm in the habit of visiting." Dark Eternal: "It's not exactly a welcome, Lord Jashin. I get the distinct impression that you're not trusted here." Jashin: "Little me? <chuckles evilly> I understand, though; we of the Sith do have a bad reputation--one that I'm afraid most of us have done much to deserve. But no matter." He finds the highest ranking officer present, which turns out to be Commander Khesaat. Jashin: "I would speak with your Administrator." Khesaat: "I'm afraid you'll have to make an appointment." Jashin (a little more authoritatively): "I will speak with your Administrator." Khesaat: "You will speak--" Jespe activates a device on his belt. Jashin: "What in--" Jespe: "Force-blanking device. Same thing we use in de cells where we keep Dark Jedi. No mind tricks on de senior staff." Jashin: "<sigh> Very well; tell her I'd like to see her at her earliest convenience." Khesaat: "Very well; I'll have Jespe assign you a room for now." Jashin: "Thank you. Come." With that, he proceeds out of the hangar bay, Dark Eternal following close behind...]

**END RP!**

Y'all probably want to know exactly why I wasn't in last night with my usual clockish precision. Apparently, my ISP decided to move their servers to a new location late last night, right when I was about to post. I was unable to connect for EIGHT ****ING HOURS. Guess what's about to happen.

**ISP DEATH!**

[The crack monkeys at Wilek's ISP are slaving away, wondering how next to inconvenience their customers...when a bunch of strange-looking and heavily-armed individuals in black jumpsuits with red pentagram commbadges breaks in the building through every possible entry--the fire escape, the doors, the windows, the skylight, everything, taking the staff hostage, including a fellow who for reasons that may become clear is named Jason Murphy. When the soldiers have secured the area, one speaks an all-clear into his commbadge, whereupon Wilek strides in wielding a gauss cannon. Wilek: "I have been having the *weirdest* day." Wilek shoots one of the tech support people in the head. Wilek: "First, I am denied access to the internet for almost an entire night." Wilek slashes the throat of one of the sysadmins, who turns out to be Mr. Disconnect. Wilek: "Then, I manage to oversleep. LONG ENOUGH TO MISS REBOOT. AGAIN." Wilek tosses Jason Murphy out the window of the tall building. Wilek: "Then, I am caught in a storm. WHILE THE SUN IS SHINING. Granted, it looked cool, especially the rainbow right in front of my house, but, well, I still have to kill y'all on principle." As if on cue, Wilek and the pentagram squad put on gas masks, and then Wilek produces a grenade. Wilek: "This is a specialized gas grenade. The wonderfully clever little concoction within will first render all of you immobile, and then mutate you, slowly and painfully, into twisted abominations that are in constant agony, incapable of mobility or coherent thought, knowing only an infinity of torment. Have fun." Wilek tosses the gas grenade into the midst of the staff and watches it do its evil work...]

**END!**

<sigh> This is all rather strange, since Friday the 13th is usually a paradoxically lucky day for me. <shrug> Oh well; maybe I'll have better luck next time...

Fire Storm> <<Mr. Disconnect: Did this character effectively replace the CR Lawyer for mindless destruction, or is the CR Lawyer still cannon fodder?>> Well, that depends. Mr. Disconnect is the fellow who we all blame for computer/electronic troubles. The Lawyer...well, we have little reason to beat him up anymore. That was recreational; DC's deaths are *payback*. >:) $Besides, the Lawyer kinda redeemed himself a while back.$ <<The Omen: Ok, I saw the first one, and it was pretty good. Is it really worth it to see all the sequels?>> I saw the last half of the second one, and it's rather good (I'm looking for MP3s from the soundtrack).

Warpmind> <<guess what? They found out that it does apply to all situations, save the situations where one intends to prove its existence.>> Hm...that alone is proof of it. ^_^

James> <<Even better quiston: What would happen if it went off on Avalon?>> The nuke? I'm thinking, no more Fey. >:)

Aaron> <<maybe an empty trenchcoat filled with a swirling blackness, and a pair of red eyes.>> Hm...I saw a picture just like that in Werewolf: The Apocalypse. But it was in black and white, so I don't know if the eyes were red...As to what I'd turn into with the Eye Of Odin...Imagine a cross between me, a Specter, a Net Spider, and a Garou (all World of Darkness creatures). <shudder> <<In future in may be wise not to let Smith and Wesson be the events planning committee.>> I wonder if they're available for birtday parties...<<Is there, perchance a similar spell for other animals, like lawyers?>> You'd have to skin a lawyer for it. Have fun. >:)

traveler> <<I don't know were to write the story , were to type it down ] . Maybe this will clear up my problem . I don't have a computer . I never have. I'm not using a computer right now. I'm using web t.v.>> Err...I'm not sure you can even write fanfic on those (although I could be wrong)...<<I could've swarn that I saw someone [an adult I'm sure] get up in the middle of the night, when I was sleeping over at my grandmothers' house , Go into the livingroom [were I had three of my tapes, the ones with my favorite episodes] and then go into the kitchen and throw something in the garbage.>> WHAT...?! >:( To say that stinks would be a grave understatement. I hope you can find and tape those episodes again.

Batya> <<Keep to one POV throughout a whole story? Why?>> I agree. I have a series of novels written in first person format. By at least four of the characters; the POV switches every chapter or so. But they're great novels. <<Archetype posts! Cheesh, I forgot all about those... Um, I was up to "Shadow", right?>> I think.

Bronx> <<Was there a time any of you had a really cool Gargoyles Dream? And if so... what was it about?>> Er...I rarely remember my dreams, but if the ones I *do* remember are any indication, then I HOPE none of my dreams involved gargoyles. My dreams make Skippy's Freudian Star Wars Teletubby pizza orgy look absolutely normal. ;P <<This was to my benefit when I realized I was dreaming because I could now control it.>> <long, stunned silence> Miss, you just described lucid dreaming. And here I thought it was little more than a myth...If I could control my dreams...I could see everything...plan out a fic scene and *see* it happen...how does one go about doing this...? <<Don't use unbrellas (that's not hard seeing USA doesn't have any rain to offer)>> Heh...you weren't at my place today. ACK. <<how do you post midis? ;_; I forgot how>> Upload them to your web space, then enter their URL in the URL box. If you don't have web space, then go to whatever site they're on, right click the link to the MID, click Properties, copy the URL, and paste it to the URL box.

All newcomers> Welcome! Permanent CR membership costs only the teeny tiny price of your soul--I mean, your sanity. >;P

Gyre> <<PS queem? Am I the only one who makes typos?>> Heh...kidding. :)

Delphi> <<Yes, I've had a few, mostly about Goliath & Elisha, best not to describe them, wrong rating.>> You've had those kinds of dreams about Goliath and an ancient prophet? Ew. ;P j/k

Kaioto> Wow. Wonderfully written essay there. :) And I'm glad you and Lexy had such fun. ^_^

Spacebabie> <<what would Sevarius do if he got his creepy mitts on some alien DNA?>> Ooh...hm, it kind of depends on the species of alien. I just know he'd combine it with garg and Loch Ness Monster DNA.

David G> <<Usually, I just have nothing to write (generally timed for a period when I have lots of time, and a desire to write). Now, I know what I want to write, I just can't find the energy to do it. When I finally get in front of the computer and open the file my concentration shatters. Interesting dust motes can distract me. It's pathetic.>> You do that too? <sigh> It's why my next fic has taken so long...<<I did the re-write, and before they got back to me, the magazine folded.>> Um...ack. Sorry to hear that...I wonder if Mr. Disconnect had anything to do with that...<<You might get the chance to watch a Rennie spontaniously combust.>> Been there, was responsible for that. >:) <<my weekends are going to be full for a while, so, since I'm trying to kick the Internet-at-work habit, you might not see so much of me anymore.>> Ack. Oh well, at least you'll be having fun. :)

Coyote> <<And other dreams I've had, while wholly inappropriate to put into fics, have been ... rather interesting. Let's just say that they involve Ravyn in the form Wilek writes her and leave it at that.>> o_O' Heh...thanks...I think... :) <<To get the entire impact of the Unseelie storyline, read from about the midpoint of TGS Gargoyles season 1>> Which reminds me, I never got around to reading most of season 1...BTW, your Detroit Clan is mostly descended from a French garg clan...is it possible that this original clan might have an offshoot elsewhere in Michigan? Just wondering.

Stephen> Ack, sorry to hear of the rejection. But at least they liked your story. :)

Pistoff> Another moving and well-written treatise on the state of our culture today. There seems to be a lot of that in here. More proof of the superiority of the CR dweller over mere mortals, I suppose. ^_^ As for the kill-or-be-killed mindset...I'm afraid it's a little more common than it should be. A friend of mine has described his experience with the public educational system as an 'apocalyptic hellscape'; he dreaded every morning that he had to go willingly to a place where he was certain his body would be found someday. (And the excessive homework didn't help matters.) I'm just glad he wasn't into black magic and such, or I'm certain no one from that school would still be alive. <<It's strange, but once you close yourself into a particular fanfic universe, if you play it just right, you can push the envelope to infinity.>> <maniacal laughter> Oh, if you only knew... >:)

Jenniren> <<I want to fly up in the sky and look down at the earth as if from an airplane, but nearly always a ceiling appears and blocks my way. I suppose it is psychological - a metaphor for the story of my life.>> ACK. That sounds so sad...

Ironwolf> <<This went on for a week until well lets say it had a weird and really twisted ending, and no villain deserves what I did to Freddie K, but he should not have killed her.>> That sounds so kewl...do you remember enough of it to post it here? :)

Doug> You and Kit are leaving for now? Oh well, at least you won't be gone long. :) <<Dominos let me go on Tuesday of this week (God, I hate downsizing).>> <sigh> Sorry to hear about that, and I hope you can find a new (and better) job soon. <<It also helps me when I write new characters to imagine a certain actor doing their voice and/or role.>> You do that too? :) I've assigned ideal voices to most of my fic characters, and it really helps to keep their voices in mind when I write them. <<you're right, the battle between Seth and the Dragon King (not saying which one he'll fight yet) will be one heck of a fight.>> Which reminds me...does anyone here know much about dragons? I'm considering incorporating a grand council of dragons into my fics. Specifically, in that one Timedancer ep with the baby dragon whose name just flew out of my head, how old would she be, biologically, in the present day?

Lexy> <<Well..I guess I would just like to hear from those ficcy writers out there. Why did you make lex the way he was?>> Err...I haven't really written about him; I'm more concerned with my own characters and the CR. :) As for his mate...[Unable to speak further, Wilek laughs in the chilling manner exhibited by Joseph Stalin just before having most of his own senior staff executed.]

SOROW> <<and from another dream, Brooklyn is expertly performing surgery on one of Lex's robotic arms (VERY bloody).>> <sigh> Why can't I ever have dreams this kewl...and logical...

Robby> <<As far as the "As above, as below" phrase for beaked gargoyles, genetically speaking it shouldn't work that way, but considering how gargs vary anyway... Who knows?>> Well, the main reason I consider it impossible is...think about it: How would non-beaked gargs procreate? They couldn't. So, if the species survived at all, there'd only be beaked gargs. <<Scooby Doo- They WERE druggies.>> As were the people who created that show IMHO...

**JOYRIDE!**

[Wilek throws the grenade as Miriam activates the shield...then begins chuckling in a vaguely malevolent manner. Wilek: "You know, Warpmind...the last guy who said something of that effect to Miriam...they're still scraping his liquefied brain matter off the CR wall." Warpmind casts a concerned glance at Miriam, who is monitoring the shield's power consumption. Warpmind: "Really? When was that...?" Wilek: "Before you came to the CR. He was a clone of me so we were going to kill him eventually anyhow, and he wasn't on our side, so you're probably safe. But still...it was *so* amusing..."]

**END!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, August 14, 1999 01:05:36 AM
IP: tnt-2-09-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Well, so we have a Lex conversation now. I've been thinking up a story where there is a human that is somewhat of a mage. But the only thing she can do is to chang her form. There was a spell placed on her that allowed her to do this, but with a few limitations. The limit is 15 species, but once she's chosen a few forms, she can change parts of those. for example she might be able to have the eyes of a hawk on a bat. Another limitation is that there have to be three constants. One that she chose was her eye color. The second is a necklace she wears everywhere, and the final contant is being a female for every form. I don't know if she'd go with Lex or not.

I was planing on having her try the gargoyle form to see if she was able to. She'll be a pale blue with bright blue wingspars, black hair like Elisa's and bright blue wingspars. Her wings will be shaped like Goliath's, and her eye ridge will look somewhat like a rams horns. She changes her outfit along with forms (otherwise it'll be a bit awkward) So she wears an outfit made out of a cut-up oversized grey T-shirt that reaches to her knees and is tied around the waist with a leather belt. I say cut-up because she cut squares out of the bottom to make a pattern that looks like the top of a castle. Somewhat like this:

/\_/\_/\_/\_/\

What I need to know now is what to name her. She is a human after all, and she'll have two names, a first and a last.If you have a suggestion, send it to me under the title "Name" and give your suggestions within. I plan on doing a drawing of this to send to the archive along with my story.

( the way I plan on her meeting the Manhattan Clan is that for fun she changes into this form and repeatedly heads to Central Park at night to practice her flying and attracts a crowd. You get the idea. I have a wonderful idea for an experience with any gargoyle hunters. I'll sum it up in a few short words.

Shot with dart. Assumes younger form. Tricks guard. Let go. Tracker dropped in river. Meets bullies. Patience gone. Bulldog attacks bullies.

Happy Imagining.

-Marina
Marina - [marirose@excel.net]
Friday, August 13, 1999 11:21:04 PM
IP: shb0233.excel.net

Xanathar: You're right, people probably won't change in our lifetime. We can hope...but I'm too cynical to believe it's possible.

Jenna: Thanks. :) I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say on the subject.

Aaron: About your Rules for Friday the 13th--#2, Avoid drugs and alcohol...well, does caffeine count? ;) And #3, Avoid sex...I've bee doing that for eight years, but not voluntarily. :( And #5, Stay out of the woods...well, half of the places I deliver to can be classified as "woods"... ;)

Doug: Domino's cut you loose? Those evil bastards! Good luck finding another job, hope it's not as difficult where you live as it is where I live. And we'll miss you and Kitainia while you're gone.

How would Lex's other-ficverse mates would react if they found out he was a cyborg? Well, he's still fully organic in Gargs 2K...but if he ever does become a cyborg, Cornelia would probably think it's pretty cool, since she's so into computers and gadgets--and she's his mate, anyway. She'd be glad that he's still alive, if he were so severely injured that he required extensive cybernetic augmentation.

Lexy: Good questions. As for why we might think Lexington is a bit naughty, well, he's a hacker, basically. Hackers are known for getting into mischief and messing around with things (though that image is largely romanticized and mythological, rather than actual fact). Just speaking for my own characterization of him in stories such as "Sit on my Interface," he knew that his computer was the best weapon in his arsenal, enabling him to come to his friend's defence without putting himself or his mate or his friends in any physical danger. I definitely see him as mischievous on occasion, even when--or *especially* when--inflicting damage on people who mess with his friends. :) As for your question about Lex's mate: In my ficverse, Cornelia (okay, I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler, but I'm sure a lot of people have guessed it already--Cornelia is the "Gargoyles 2K" version of Asrial) has always been a tinkerer and a builder, constructing all kinds of gadgets and stuff. When she found herself on the eve of the 21st century, she immediately wanted to know about current technology--and who better to teach her than Lex? That's how they hooked up, and immediately realized they were soul-mates (they immediately "clicked" and this lead to a number of incidents that earned Cornelia the nickname "Horny Corny" :). Lex does the programming stuff, and Corny has a gift for the hardware side, building gadgets--but she also has a knack for programming. Their idea of a fun evening is playing Duke Nukem or Quake or Half-Life, or writing code, or constructing some kind of device, and