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Robby-- <I know the ElfQuest pic you are referring to and I refuse to do that with Gargs--too many> That's okay- no one's asking for you specifially to draw it -- alot of people have thought it was a great idea, including Aimee Major and Spike-- as for being too many-- I disagree.
Jenna
Sunday, August 22, 1999 08:04:26 PM
IP: 161.38.5.170

DC punishment
Ironwolf walks in to the cr with Felecia the guardian behind him and a sad sorry computer tied to a leash at her belt. “I don’t like this Felecia are you sure? I can not punish him” she then purrs ” but they can” a portal opens up and 3 women in red leather caring small maces walk into the cr quickly followed by a young man with a sword. Felecia walks up “welcome sisters of the Mord-sith he used his power the minute you walked through the portal made by my User” The gentleman with the sword looks around “why are we here? Just repaying a debt my lord” replies one of the young women “and we told you not to come. Travel through the sylph is dangerous without my protection” the young man replies. Mean while DC opens a portal to escape only to be slammed at the feet of a red headed Mord-sith. She smiles “Is he really immortal. MMmmm he is going to be such fun.” She gently caresses him with her mace leaving a trail of blood and listens to his screams. “ Iron wolf looks around “um you can’t keep him no you can’t, but you can um play with him” Ironwolf shudders “just do what you want to him in your on realm and return him when your done. How rude Ironwolf” Felecia shakes her head “Sorry ladies he is in a bad mood and doesn’t like torture.” The ladies walk out with DC in tow again followed by the young man with the sword. Well at least my computer works now looks down at the computer ”and the next time you team up with DC I will let Felecia do what she wants with you”

SOROW congrats hope you have a good time.

Ok new topic what’s everyone doing for Halloween and what are you going as?

ironwolf
Sunday, August 22, 1999 07:58:17 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-4.cha.bellsouth.net

Will someone find out who invented voice mail and help fulfill that person's deathwish. I HATE VOICE MAIL. I HATE VOICE MAIL. I CAN'T GET OUT OF THE STUPID LOOP. YEAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!

Starsinger
Who is still looking for her back up grocery truck.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 07:47:37 PM
IP: proxy-543.public.rwc.webtv.net

Christine: (re: Sevarius pun) Ohhhhh gaaaawwwd! Uh...heh...as Duke Nukem would say, "Holy $hit!!" :P

Delphi: Glad you enjoyed the jokes. I'll find some more later... :)

traveler?: Sure, you belong here. If you're a fan, this is one of the places to be. :) As for music, I do listen to Prodigy and Chemical Brothers occasionally, though I get sick of it fast, and have to wait a while before listening to more. (Incidentally, since we're talking about techno, there's an interesting rendition of the Flintstones theme song that was done by a group called ASSI, I think. I don't remember for certain what the name of the group is, but I think that's it.) I also get a kick out of the Timelords' "Doctorin' the Tardis." ;) Otherwise, my favorites include Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, a few Judas Priest songs (a lot of their songs annoy me, for some reason), Queen, and the Dead Kennedys. :D

jewel: Ehh...Data and Lore?! Oh, PUKE!!!!

Spike: Actually, adding Matt Watson to "Catfight" might've been interesting. :) Probably the rest of Brooklyn's mates would've ganged up on him and Joyrided his ass. :) :) :)

Argent: Welcome back!
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 07:35:06 PM
IP: wire-5.koalas.com

I'm walking on the clouds! This guy that I've like for about a year might finally ask me out! He asked for my phone number, though I know he already had it, and invited me to a party! Oh, YYYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!!

On a different note, my dad switched Internet servers without telling me (thanks a lot Dad) so my e-mail address has changed. I'm not sure what it is at the moment, but when I find out I'll inform you all :)

I just bought the last two Loreena McKennitt CDs, so now I have all seven! If you have never heard of her, check it out! She's wonderful!

Irina> That bad huh? Well, I recently applied to Ulta 3 Cosmetics and they'll hopefully call me back. Natural Wonders just always looked like so much fun. I'd be the employee playing with all the toys in the corner!

Don't forget about Gargs on the Disney Channel tonight! OKIloveyoubyebye!
SOROW
Sunday, August 22, 1999 06:41:55 PM
IP: dll2b204-29.splitrock.net

Adrienne> That picture kicks so much ass. I always saw Cloud as a punk-rocker....it was the hair. I always thought Cid looked a bit like Greg Graffen (lead singer for Bad Religion, only blonde), but that's just me.

Note to all: Gargoyles will air on the Disney Channel tonight at 7:30 Central. Yes, the Disney Channel, not Toon Disney.......also, it seems Disney bought the domain www.gargoyles.com, though it just leads to thier main site. I guess they're stating to take another interest in the show after all......

Later all....
Ordell - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 06:02:14 PM
IP: ppp-156.ode.cableone.net

Since not all of you come to S8, I thought of telling this here as well: Greg Weisman has answered a number of questions in "Ask Greg". However they didn't all fit in 'latest responses': So people will have to check out many of the archives as well...

The best tidbit btw was that there was a sentient race that predated all three we know of, but which is no more around...

jewel> Christine as christ figure... Hadn't thought of it. I wonder if that's part of the reason that her 'mirror twin' has been symbolised by "The Devil" tarot card...

Christine> "without kin stash the first clone?" Ouch.
All these puns reminded me of Nancy Brown's "Firstborn" story...
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 05:41:01 PM
IP: athe530-b032.otenet.gr

I think you missed Una from M.I.A.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 05:04:20 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net

Cloud and Sephiroth slash: <little kid voice> B-b-but Cloud is Sephiroth's *clone* and that's really kinda sick... I mean talk about it--it takes narcissism to an all new level... Y'know, slash, in any form, is something of an interesting topic. Character pairings and the situations within them say a lot about the socital norms and taboos of a culture. Also, in reference to slash, a lot of it is written by woman about male relationships, which also says both a lot about society, and, smome culd argue, about the, in general, lack of strongly developped female characters in most sci-fi.<smacks head before she can go further> Out of academia mode! Out! <snort> Yeah, you can tell I wrote a 30 page paper on porn one year (18th Century French Political Pornography, focusing on clerical sodomy, if anyone cares--gave me interesting dinner conversation for a year). Sheesh... ANyway, Sephiroth and Cloud are just kinda sick because Cloud is a 'defective' clone of Sephiroth. I mean, that's just incest to a whole new level... Bleeeeh.
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumane.brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 05:03:37 PM
IP: 207-172-74-59.s59.tnt2.man.va.dialup.rcn.com

HOT DAMN!
sorry...didnae catch up....

*pouts* whaddaya mean? Maul and Obi-Wan are a *lovely* couple!
(clickie!)

The Artist Formerly KNown as Traveler- Woohoo! GGArbage! One of my *fave* bands.....Atarisomethin' hunh? Korn...mmmmm....the others I've *heard* of, an' have prolly heard their stuff, but ???


aDRIENNE. - [<--------The Sith Academy! ]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 04:23:28 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Hei, Y'awll!

JEWEL- Uhm, the first time, I think......Christine snapped her neck and went catatonic.....And, yeah, Yakko has a certain sex appeal. Heh, Vincent's hotter, though. Het Goth..*purrs*
*ahems*

ON CLOUD AND SEPH SLASH.....hmmmm. WEll, I don't think they could ever have been a full out *couple*, but the angst and UST possibilities in there are just too yummy to pass up...Yeah, Cloud definitely had a whammy of a crush on Seph, I think, although I'm fairly sure he was in denial about it...more fuel for the fire. And think about what effects having *feelings*...for another *man*...would have on the (dammit, what's the masculine for "Ice Queen"?)General Seph.... lovely , lovely angst.

ANYWAYS......
About the Women of Gargoyles Pic....here's a list of them...

1.) Demona.
2.) Elisa.
3.) Angela.
4.) Fox.
5.) Titania.
6.) The Wierd Sisters.
7.) Diane Maza.
8.) Beth Maza.
9.) Delilah.
10.) Sora.
11.) Desdemona.
12.) Gruoch.
13.) Mary.
14.) Finella.
15.) Princess Katharine.
16.) Hyena.
17.) Robyn Canmore.
18.) Fleance.
19.) Captain Chavez.
20.) Margot Yale.
21.) Grandmother.
22.) Obsidiana.
23.) Turquesa.
24.) Banshee/Molly.
25.) Maggie Reed.
26.) Tea.


I didn't see all of the eps, so I may be missing a few....If you know of anyon that's not here, could ye please tell me who and what ep they were in? Thanks!

Oh....in the spirit of the FF comments...*grinz* clicki fer a pic! *proud of it* Its....PUNK AERITH!

Adrienne. :) - [<-----CLICKIE! ]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 04:16:23 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Hm, here the comic was more crippled as a result of the company itself. Fleetway’s new owners just see each of their comics as ‘cash cows’. There’s no creative reason why it couldn’t have stayed at the same quality. Most of the staff is the same (or was, before most were laid off), and some of the plots canned for various reasons sound sensational. (Like, Sonic trapped in the past of Planet Mobius and as he struggles to get back to his own time witnessing the Echidna/Drakon War – and meeting Knuckles). There were still good stories being produced right up until they fired the chief writer and made it mostly reprint. As for killing Robotnik… Fleetway did it too (after a fashion – he was only shrunk to a sub-atomic universe but at the time nobody thought this possible), but we still got nice stories where nice stories were and bad stories where bad stories were. More worrying was when they axed the Knuckles strip. Still, 4 or 5 years of *at least* half-good/half-bad isn't too bad, eh?
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:59:21 PM
IP: p30-grouse-gui.tch.virgin.net

Travler wanderer or nighwalker> heard of half of the artist. Just not much of a groupie or music fanactic

Irina I hope you get this I hate posting on Sundays because some time the messages get unread.
Broken Halo
Produced and written by darrell c.l. donald
Pencils joe vigil (and he rocks)
And I hope this address is right but as this is my first stop after wipping my computer in to shap well www.brokenhalos.com.

Try and catch up later on the room

ironwolf
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:57:31 PM
IP: host-216-78-83-4.cha.bellsouth.net

Robby> Actually, all that was on an old site I had once. All I really added was the synopsis for the last few videos, so it wasn't like I sat here for an hour typing it up. Well, actually I did, but it was a while back and I saved it.

For all those interested, the next two Dragonball Z videos come out on September 2 (USA, anyways).....

Later all
Ordell - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:56:40 PM
IP: ppp-156.ode.cableone.net

And for those of you who have never heard of "Waltzing Matilda" before... Click!
Robby the CR DJ
Sunday, August 22, 1999 01:59:48 PM
IP: spider-we083.proxy.aol.com

Christine- I don't get the joke...

Ordell/Dennis- Ack, the room is going into all out DBZ spoiler mode. Heh. Interesting recap of Dragonball anyhow. Bit more complicated and spoiler giving than newbies need tho... I think what is wanted is an explanation of WHAT'S going on, not major spoilers and storytelling. (For that there's websites that have the whole thing already written down...) Maybe I shoulda just written my answers in here and saved you two the trouble instead of sending it via e-mail to SJ...

Wilek- A Pikachu can beat a Raichu in this manner.

**SPOILERS FOR THE POKEMON EPISODE "ELECTRIC SHOCK SHOW DOWN"**

Basically what happened was, the Raichu Pikachu had to fight had been evolved early. (Pikachus have to have their evolution forced by a thunder stone, they can't upgrade by themselves.) And since the Raichu had been evolved so early, it never had a chance to learn any of a Pikachu's speed attacks. So Ash's Pikachu ran circles around it and beat the snot out of it using speed. And when the Raichu used an actual electric attack (that blew out the nearby windows and tore up the floor) Pikachu stuck his tail in the ground and grounded himself, so the electric attack had no effect. After that, the Raichu was worn out, and Pikachu beat it easily.

**END POKEMON SPOILERS**

Indiana traveler- heh. I kind of like "Swagman" myself. Its an old Australian name, used in their unofficial national anthem, "Waltzing Matilda." Of course, a few years back they finally got themselves an official anthem, but its not nearly as good as Waltzing Matilda...

Shogun raptor- Well, when you put it like that...

Ed- Okay, your Sonic co ic suffered the same thing as ours then. It was great for a short while, about two years, and then went icky poo after they killed off Robotnik...


Robby
Sunday, August 22, 1999 01:28:32 PM
IP: spider-we043.proxy.aol.com

New story > "Night Saber," the threatened / promised Obi-Wan fic, is now posted. Mature readers only; clickie or go to http://members.xoom.com/Sabledrake/n_saber.html

traveler > ohh, I'm so _old_ ... I haven't even _heard_ of any of those groups ...

Male pairings > as you might imagine, with my reputation, I've gotten some scary, scaaaaary requests ... brrrrr!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 01:10:27 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Wilek>You have played Phantasmagoria also? wich one the first or the second? my brother played the second,and here is what I found wierd. The main hero in PII PuzzleofFlesh was nicknamed ratboy and look a lot like Nicholas Leah from the X-files.(Alex Krycek aka Ratboy).

DragonballZ: hmmm you guys pretty much coverd it but if you want to learn about how Goku met ChiChi and when {Piccolo was a bad guy go rent or buy the original DragonBall videos

I agree about Frieza:sounds like a woman, and that Zanty Misfit face doesnt help.IMHO my favorite of Freiza's cronies is Zarbon love that Austrailian accent.

Whoa I had a wierd dream last night it was a TGS one where the Unseelie where getting ready to take over the world and my boyfriend had to leave me becasue he was one ofthem and he really didnt want to see me hurt even if I was a strange mortal...now for the really wierd part. I was a CONTACT meaning I had this chip in my sinus cavity and I communicated with aliens this way,but these were good aliens who injected some of their DNA into some earthlings including myself and we helped them fight an enemy of the Galactic Order(like the federation) and spring some of their allies from 51, Well the aliens promised us that they would help the good Fey,and mortals against the unseelie and I had to convince my boyfriend to leve the unseelie

"Has anyone of your kind been to outerspace?"

"No,why"

"We could take a crusie through the stars"

Another interesting point was that many ofthe unseeli spells had no effect on the aliens, that part I was trying to figure out when I woke up.
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:01:07 PM
IP: ts002d42.orl-fl.concentric.net

After a week of being eaten alive by gnats and whitewater rafting in Gatlinburg, Tenn, and doing practically nothing (and loving every minute of it) for another week in Atwood Lake, Ohio, I'm back! And now that I see the room is still intact, on with the post!

WILEK> [Pikachu vs. Raichu) Not necessarily. For a Pikachu to evolve into a Raichu, it has to be exposed to the radiation from a special stone (in this case, a thunder stone). There are quite a few Pokemon that need stones to evolve, and they can be made to at any time. However, once you evolve these Pokemon, they won't learn any more attacks.
***POKEMON SPOILER***
Actually, Raichu _did_ wipe the floor with Pikachu the first time they battled. Pikachu won their rematch by using attacks Raichu never learned.
***END SPOILER***
I hope I have been able to explain this without making your head explode. :)
SJ> Yes, Napa was the big bald guy who looked like he was on steroids (though personally I don't think steroids would have much effect on Saiyans :))
Frieza is leading his own private army. (And who knows what Saban was thinking when they cast the voice!)
There were a couple of groups of 'funky looking green dudes': Napa's saibamen (SP?) or the Nameks (a race that Piccolo, Kami, and Dende are members of)
The fat pink alien was Dodoria, one of Frieza's henchmen

Any RPers>$Can you please tell me what I missed, and where that little device I gave Pikachu ended up?$

Don't forget about the Gargoyles ep on Disney tonight!

Gotta Jet, Go Tribe!
(3 weeks, 3 days until DBZ season 3)
Argent
stable, USA
Sunday, August 22, 1999 09:58:54 AM
IP: calamari.frognet.net

Wilek & Irina - I think the *wrongest* male-character homosexual pairing I've ever seen was Data and Lore. I mean, euuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhh. I can see why people would write Bashir and Garek, though.
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 09:37:49 AM
IP: 207-172-74-103.s103.tnt2.man.va.dialup.rcn.com

Hello all you Gents and ladies, and the in-betweens. I'm back! ::waits for you all to turn the lights off and pretend your not home::

writing- Thank-you all for giving me some comfort in that. Properly with the right disclaimer I will be able to post fan-fics up at either Chris' site or my own. Still it doesn't elude all my fears, but enough to start posting.

However because I have a slow computer and it takes me centuries to update my page, or download a story to the fan-fic archive, don't expect them sooner.


The book of Sarge. 13:4 " And let it be known that Sarge is the all annoying, and weird"
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Sunday, August 22, 1999 08:23:10 AM
IP: spider-wd081.proxy.aol.com

Hi all!!

Spike re Gargoyles Celebrity Deathmatch:great stuff:)

Delphi/Pistoff/Jenniren re jokes:UUggghhh!!!:)

shogun raptor:A black van/battle platform with a stylized blood-red 7 on the side, sort of like a cross between the Punisher's battle wagon and the Rhino from M.A.S.K. (anyone remember that? it was the brownish semi truck that turned into that battle platform>>Hell yeah!:),I've still got it somewhere around my house.

traveler: as Wilek said you're a Gargoyles,fan you belong here as for music,I prefer Korn(but not as much as Marilyn Manson or Rob Zombie)

Oh well back to work for me tommorow,The weekend always seems to go by too fast:(

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Sunday, August 22, 1999 08:08:05 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

the continuation of Ordell's review of Dragon Ball Z

Ordell left at Dende being killed, right?
Well, Vegita attack Frieza, now in his ultimate power form.
It's soon evident that he's not match
meanwhile, Goku, wounded when he was possessed by Ginyu, heal from the healing cuve and join his son and allies, only to find a dying Vegita. After his passing, Goku bury him, as a warrior, and oath to venge him.
The fight, but not even the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) can
defeat Frieza, and it's now a totally pissed one who get back to face the Z-Soldiers. He wounds Piccolo in the chest, and destroy Krilin.
it's too much for Goku who, under the shock and the anger, become a Super Saiyan, his hairs got straight up and gold in color, with a glowing aura around him. with a cold tone, he orders Gohan to take Piccolo and find Bulma, then leave the planet with the Capsule
during the fight, Frieza launch a supper blow that hit the heart of Namek, and proudly announce to Goku that Namek will be destroyed in less than 5 minutes.
Meanwhile, Gohan brings Piccolo to the Capsule, and find Bulma, then goes back to the battle field to find his father.
On earth, Mr Popo had gathered the Dragon Balls and summon Shenron.

TO BE CONTINUED...

more to come later!

Denis - [wyrmwolf@lft.be]
ICQ 20713180
Sunday, August 22, 1999 05:36:08 AM
IP: dialup1856.brussels.skynet.be

Robby: Maybe because it’s the original and best Sonic the Hedgehog comic? :) (it was set up in the May of ’93, before Archie began I believe). Unfortunately, lame 5-year-old trash is the name of the game nowadays with STC, and while we had a decent saga last February to April, the main writer (and the best one), was fired to make reprint space. So we get the second-string one who has severely missed the boat on what made the comics so exciting before now. Nowadays, the publishers have gone cash-mad and so 3 of the 4 strips are reprint and the new stuff is typically of terrible quality. The artwork (or at least the colouring, now done on computer) has gone downhill too. Sorry to disappoint you, but I guess we should be thankful that for a few years we got some truly brilliant series in it, even though now it's "on a lonely path to extinction," as Robotnik once said.
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 04:30:48 AM
IP: p28-scoter-gui.tch.virgin.net

dang, wrong color, sorry
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:17:54 AM
IP: 207.14.200.176

Pistoff>>>hahahahahahaha,I'm trying not to wake up my husband, I just love a good joke
Chritine>>I was expecting some interesting tidbit on Sevariuos and it turned out to be a joke!!!!!
Okay here's one more to go to bed on-don't anyone get mad at me----
Subject: FW: E-mail from God
>
One day God was looking down at Earth and saw all of the evil that was going on. He decided to send an angel down to Earth to check it out.
So he called on a female angel and sent her to Earth for a time. When she returned she told God, yes it is bad on Earth, 95% is bad and 5% is good.
Well, he thought for a moment and said maybe I had better send down a male angel; to get both points of view. So God called a male angel and sent him to Earth for a time. When the male angel returned he went to God and told him yes, the Earth was in decline, 95% was bad and 5% was good.

God said this was not good. He decided to E-mail the 5% that were good and encourage them, a little something to help them keep going.
*
> *
> Do you know what that E-mail said?
>

> Oh! You didn't get one either?

Goodnight all
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:15:08 AM
IP: 207.14.200.176

Wilek> Dash rendar's ship was in there? where?
speaking of which, when I read Shadows of the Empire, somehow I always got the feeling that if they did a movie of it that Jonathan Frakes should play Xixor (the guy's a big green Xanatos) Marina Sirtis would be Guri and perhaps Rendar would be Bruce Campbell
ironic isn't it? Trek Actors in a SW film, but so help me, They just have that sort of Chemistry
shogun raptor
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:07:59 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

Irina> There is indeed a way to date Barret in FF7, though I think it's completely random. I've done it, all it really does is take away from the main story. Think about this, Cloud also dresses up in drag, so I didn't think the date with Barret was going any futher than that did.
Ordell - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:01:36 AM
IP: ppp-5.ode.cableone.net

Robby> I know about T2 DB and Rampage being hardly immortal, but lemme put it this way: Rampage and Dinobot are connected by the same spark, both can heal themselves and inflict pain on each other, sort of, and Depth charge is hunting rampage, a psychotic who can only be killed by extreme measures, as was demonstrated in "nemesis part 1"
Demona and Macbeth can only be killed by each other's hand and inflict pain on each other, in addition they can also heal themselves and demona (easily the more psychotic of the two) is being hunted by the canmore clan (see the parallel yet?) at any rate, I am fully aware of the whole "protoform X" angle, my following of Beast wars is as strong as my following of Gargoyles

Conan the adventurer> I remember this show, the evil snake villain was Rathaman, he was created by another sorcerer named Rammaman, the femalre sorceress was mesmira and it was she who turned Greywolf's (the middle eastern wind mage) brother and sister into werewolves (who were water and fire mages)
I forget the name of the african guy, but I remember he was a member of the wasai tribe who could summon animals to their aid by making the sign of the jebal-sahg, meanwhile, there was also a viking guy, it was also the snake-demon Set that Rathaman worked for, but he had another warrior, an undead fellow named skulker, he used to be a man named sekumbe who was a member of the damballas, who worshipped a skeletal snake (another incarnation of Set) Conan also had a baby phoenix named needle who was sort of a "magic sensor" among other things, I used to watch that Conan show all the time, scary how much cartoon trivia I can recall
shogun raptor
Sunday, August 22, 1999 02:01:10 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

traveler (I'll call you that until you decide what name you want, then I'll call you whatever that is) - yes, of course you belong here; you make intelligent conversation, you like Gargoyles. Yes, I know bjork, but it takes a Lot to get me "into" a particular artist, and bjork was not one of the ones that happened with. Same goes for the others you mentioned. I mean, they're all good, but I can only think of about two artists I've really gotten into to any degree.

Wilek - When I mentioned them being animated, I was referring to the characters I would mention, not all video games. :)
As for relationships between characters, I think Star Trek has some of the worst ones ever to be postulated by fans:
Kirk/Spock
Bashir/Garak
Kirk/McCoy
Spock/McCoy
Kirk/Spock/McCoy
Picard/Q
And those are just a few. *shudder*
Yeah, Darth Maul and Obi-Wan is a pretty bad combo too, I must say. There could be a *lot* worse in Star Wars, though, I gotta say.
Speaking of homosexual relations in FF7, is it true there's a way to get Cloud to date Barret? I've heard there is, and I was wondering if anyone had any more information as to the truthfulness of that rumor.
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 01:51:38 AM
IP: 165.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

<<Give me some slack, I can't draw worth snot.>> I apparently can't type worth it either--it's CUT me some slack. I am an idiot.
Me again
Sunday, August 22, 1999 01:42:49 AM
IP: tnt-3-184-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Even yet insanely more puns> Ah, the horrorible, the horrorible! I'm melting! I'm melting! Diga a esposa e crianças que eu nunca tive que eu teria os amei! <gasp> :P

Doug and Kit> <<Kit and I have to go out of town this afternoon on important business, we won't get back till Wednesday.>> Leaving again? <sigh> Hope whatever it is turns out well. :)

Irina> These customers...ACK. Makes me wonder why some people haven't Darwined themselves right out of the genepool yet...<<Ok, ppl, I'm including video games here, since technically they are animated. :)>> Actually, some aren't, at least not entirely--the 11th Hour features mostly real actors, as do Phantasmagoria, Harvest, The Journeyman Project series...Games have come a long way. ^_^ <<If I see ONE MORE fanfic where Sephiroth and Cloud get paired up in a homosexual relationship, I'm going to scream.>> Ecch. But it's not as bad as putting Darth Maul and Obi-Wan Kenobi into such a relationship (I've seen it done). Such authors will be dre'kketh food in the new order...

Jewel> <<I am a Mawrter, there are no hormones. I am a Mawrter, there are no...oh, who the hell am I trying to kid?>> Want mine? I tormented them into submission years ago. ^_^

Spike> Ah good, another Deathmatch. [Wilek opens the link in a new window and reads...and soon can do nothing but stare at the screen in awe.] There are no words. INCREDIBLE. (And I'm glad Matthew Watson wasn't in it <g>...) Heh heh heh...the above bit about hormones? If I were in Brook's situation here, I'd most likely kill as many of the psychos as I could and make a break for it. A few days later, Miriam's organization's nuke-equipped black helicopters would pay the arena a visit. Hee hee, I'm evil. >;) Hey, is your deathmatch thingie in need of a mad mage or a psychotic shapeshifting Halfling? :)

Spacebabie> I remember that Simpsons bit. Thanks mostly to the fact of its presence on the 'Songs In The Key Of Springfield' (I think) soundtrack CD, which I have the good fortune to own. ^_^

Shogun Raptor> <<I know Exar Kun was the first one, but more people associate it with Maul, pity really, some mention of Exar Kun would've been nice>> It would have; too bad Lucasarts can't use much in the way of non-official material. I still don't know how they got away with sticking Dash Rendar's Outrider in the Special Edition versions of the classic trilogy.

Fire Storm> <<Theres a program called Photomodeler that can take a few photo's of an object (Or a person in the same pose) and make a 3d model out of it. I got a copy of it around here somewhere... Bonnieway, you can download it from the site. <Clickie my linkie for it.>>> Thanks! ^_^ Hm...interesting little program...

Sarge> <<I am afraid that people will steal my ideas and re invent them to make stories of their own and produce them in actual book stores.>> I wouldn't worry; the way copyright law operates; you'd be within your rights to sue their tails off.

Robby> <<If possible, I'll start working on that Pokemon stuff Monday. For now, I've gotta try and get four comic pages from various series and art styles done this weekend.>> No problem at all; I'm quite patient about this sort of thing. :) <<And I'm suddenly reminded of the Raichu episode of Pokemon...>> How was Pikachu able to defeat a Raichu? Shouldn't Raichu have wiped the floor with him?

SOROW> <<We need straitjackets with the Gargoyles Logo...>> Ooh...black straitjackets, perhaps, with red lining? Love it! :D

Random bit> I'm sure most of you are familiar with the colossally twisted liquid metal whackaloon known to the few who have survived encounters with him as Forfexx? Click my name for something of a pic of him. (Alright, it's an altered Vampire Hunter D pic. Give me some slack, I can't draw worth snot. :P )

SJ> <<Why do all the "aliens" dress alike>> I always thought it was because they were all in some alien military. $<<I'm been sort of holding things off for a while till I see what Wilek and the others are going to do while Doug and Kit are "away" on their mission.>> Come to think of it, I can't think of anything to do either. Sort of a lull in the action. I wonder if Jim really is sincerely dead...$

Utter randomness> Does anyone here have the Star Wars novel 'Spectre Of The Past'? There are apparently two exceptionally subtle references in it to Disney World's Star Tours ride. Heh.

traveler> <<Maybe if none of you like bjork there are other musical artists that I like. If you like[or possibly even know ] any of these people tell me. Atari Teenage Riot , Fiona Apple, Goldie, Garbage, Prodigy, Roni Size, Crystal Method, Korn, Propellerheads , and Method Man.If you know about any of these people tell me, and I will feel even less alone.>> I've heard of some of them, but I prefer the likes of Mozart, Danny Elfman, and John Williams. :) <<Please tell me what you think of me. Do you guys think I belong here? And tell me what name you think is better.>> Hey, if you're a Gargoyles fan, you definitely belong here. :) As for the name, I personally prefer Nightwalker, but it's really your decision. :)
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, August 22, 1999 01:39:13 AM
IP: tnt-3-184-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Do any of you even know [or care] about who bjork is. with this topic alone I feel like I am talking to a bunch of brick walls. If none of you care even a little bit about who I'm talking about then tell me so I'll stop talking about her[promise].Just say so and I'll shut up about her.

New name-At this point it's down to either night walker or wanderer.Although night walker is more like gargoyles [Xanathar],wanderer is more like traveler[forgot who].

Maybe if none of you like bjork there are other musical artists that I like. If you like[or possibly even know ] any of these people tell me. Atari Teenage Riot , Fiona Apple, Goldie, Garbage, Prodigy, Roni Size, Crystal Method, Korn, Propellerheads , and Method Man.If you know about any of these people tell me, and I will feel even less alone.

Not really a Deathmatch but I was wondering what would happen if Owen and Preston Vogoul ever met.Anyway owen would win because of the fist.

Everyone-Please tell me what you think of me. Do you guys think I belong here? And tell me what name you think is better.Good night my ever growing rookery brothers and sisters.
traveler - [goliath01]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, August 22, 1999 01:29:29 AM
IP: proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net

ROBBY - You wrote: [The image issue of Turtles you got was back when Mirage was still around. They were in control of that mini-series, (Which I believe crossed over into Savage Dragon.) Its the Image SERIES, from after the death of Mirage, that stinks so much...]

I do know about that Mirage mini-series but the issue I had was number 21 of the Image series. It has Horridus from the Savage Dragon series on the cover. Reading the letters page in that issue, it seems that they had brought her in as a supporting character, and a girlfriend for Michael-Angelo. It also mentioned that the series was being cancelled at issue number 23 so I figured I might as well pick up the last two issues but I'm not sure if they came out or not. Do you happen to know if they did?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:57:11 AM
IP: 132.new-york-18-19rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

'Allo all. Moving can be a pain in the ass, I wouldn't recommend it.

Sevarius Jr.> Dragonball Z questions, eh? I guess I'll take a shot at this: I'm not sure how much you know, so I'll start at the beginning....The following contains spoilers for about the entire series. Um, the first four episodes are known as 'Arrival'. It is revealed that Goku is an alien who was originally sent to Earth to destroy all the humans. As a child, his "programming" was messed up, and it never happened. Goku and Gohan are Sayians, a species who turn into a monkey with the light of a full moon. Goku doesn't as he had his tail removed. Goku's brother Raditz arrives and ask why he hasn't fulfilled his mission. Goky refuses to go with him, and Raditz attacks. He is killed by Piccolo, but not before killing Goku. Raditz warns that two other Sayians will arrive on Earth in less than a year. Piccolo, the strongest non-Saiyan warrior, starts to train Gohan, who has more potential than any of them because he is only half-Sayian.

Vegita and Nappa, the two Sayians headed for Earth, cause destruction in their path as Gohan becomes increasingly stronger. Goku has landed on Snake Way (the way to Heaven) and must reach the end to recieve training from King Kai (God). Gohan continues to try to escape Piccolo, but is reminded that he is Earth's only hope once Vegita and Nappa arrive.

Meanwhile the warriors of Earth (Krillin, Tien, Chiaotzu and Yamcha) start to recieve training from Kami, protector of the Dragonballs. Goku reaches King Kai and begins training. He teaches Goku the Kaio-Ken and Spirit Bomb to help in his training.

Vegita and Nappa reach Earth. It is revealed that they (and Goku) are the last remaining Sayians (besides some other like Brolly, but those haven't even been seen here yet). They want the Dragonballs to wish for immortality. Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, Tien, Chiaotzu and Yamcha start to battle the two. Vegita eventually calls a three hour time out to see if Goku will arrive. As Nappa is about to kill Krillin and Gohan, Piccolo sacrifices himself to save himself. This also destroys Kami and the Earth Dragonballs, along with the chance to wish everyone back to life.

Vegita kills Nappa after Goku arrives and attacks him. Goku, now with a power level of 5,000, starts the attack using his new power and techniques against Vegita. After taking a beating, Vegita transforms into a were-monkey, but has his tail cut off by Yajirobe, who has been watching the entire battle. Vegita is eventually defeated and leaves Earth, vowing revenge.

The remaining warriors decide to journey to Namek, homeworld of Piccolo and house of the Namekian Dragonballs, so they can wish the decesed warriors back to life. Vegita arrives at Frieza's army base to recover, and once Freiza leaves for Namek to search for the Dragonballs there, so does Vegita.

Goku, who remained on Earth to train more, goes to Namek when he learns Frieza and Vegita are both there. (Note: Freiza's dubbed voice chances in the new 'season', as does Piccolo's). Vegita and Freiza both contune thier search for the Namekian Dragonballs, and Goku continues his journey to meet up with Krillin, Gohan and Bulma.

At King Kai's, the deceased warriors arrive and start their training, the same as Goku did. Krillin recieves a power up from the eldest Namek, and Vegita is able to steal the Dragonballs from Frieza. Vegita, with five Dragonballs, follow Krillin and Gohan, who have the other two, as they travel to see the Eldest Namek.

The Ginyu Force arrives, on a mission from Frieza, and Vegita makes a truce with the Krillin and the others to protect the Dragonballs. Krillin, Gohan and Vegita start to battle the Ginyu Force, when Frieza steals all the Dragonballs, but is unable to activate them. Goku finally arrives, much stronger than he was before.

(Note: the following is from the unaired episodes that will start in the beginning of September. The first few are available on video) Goku deafeats most of the Ginyu Force, and soon Captain Ginyu arrives, thinking he can defeat Goku. Ginyu switches bodies with Goku, and is unable to use it because of the power. Krillin and Gohan cripple Goku, in Ginyu's body. Frieza battles with Nail, a Namek, so he can find the password for the Dragonballs.

Krillin and Gohan, with the Namekian Dragonballs, wish Piccolo back to life, thereby resotring Kami and the Earth Dragonballs. Piccolo discovers an injured Nail, and the two fuse together, creating a super-being capable of battling Freiza.

It is revealed that Freiza was the one who destroyed the Sayian homeworld, giving Vegita a reason to fight. While Krillin, Gohan and Picollo/Nail battle Freiza, Vegita tries to become Super-Sayian by being healed by Dende. His plan fails for the time being as Freiza continues the battle.

Dende is killed in battle, destroying the healing power of the warriors and Vegita's hopes to become Super-Sayian. Goku arrives from healing, and holds his own with Freiza, a new goal in his mind.

*****

That's really all I know, as the reast hasn't been translated yet. There's plenty of episode and movies left, and I have some sub-titles movies from later on in the series (with Trunks, Goten and SS4 Goku). They'll get around to it eventually, I'm sure.

The preceding post was brought to by boredom.

Later all....
Ordell - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:41:17 AM
IP: ppp-170.ode.cableone.net

Dr. Sevarius finally went public with his perfected cloning technology. The Illuminati decided to make it available to everyone in the world.

Each person would have a copy, which would be kept in storage until the individual died, and then the clone would be allowed to live on in their place.

They were going to do this alphabetically, but then some people with no living relatives pitched a fit, saying they should be first, to preserve their genetic material and carry on their names.

The Illuminati decided this was fair and issued their decree -- Let him who is without kin stash the first clone.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:24:43 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

To all those puns out there: *retch* *cringe* HAHAHA!

SOROW: Don't work at Natural Wonders. Corporate is just crap. It took us three months to get a working vacuum cleaner, and we still haven't managed to get enough extension cords (which, btw, you have to order through the district manager, you can't just order them like you can some other supplies, like the light fixtures we need oh so often).

Spacebabie:
Glad to see others who have read plays they didn't have to read for school...
And yes, I remember "I'm Just A Bill."
So you think Cloud and Vincent are hot. I agree with you to some extent, they probably would have been 11 and 12, but I was just doing a top ten.

Guys out there: I know most of you think Tifa is hot, if you've seen her, what are the opinions on Aeris (or Aerith, if you prefer that spelling)? Just curious.

Btw, on the subject of FF7, if you want to see some examples of really *atrocious* fanfic, look up some of the FF7 stuff that's out there.
If I see ONE MORE fanfic where Sephiroth and Cloud get paired up in a homosexual relationship, I'm going to scream. I have absolutely nothing against homosexuality, understand. It's just that These Two Are Not Gay And Do Not Belong Together. Ugh.
Occasionally, though, there are some good ones, I've seen one or two, and some decent poetry.
There's one site that's collecting essays. I'm considering fleshing out my analysis of Sephiroth and Cloud as tragic characters and sending it in. What do y'all think?
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 11:54:36 PM
IP: 249.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

No RP tonight.

I just got finished watching (again) the best (IMHO) zombie film ever made--Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive". If you've never seen this film, you should--it's hilarious, well-acted and well-written, and it's got more than enough gore for even the most die-hard splatter geeks. Zombie sex, zombie babies, evil cursed poisonous rat monkeys, decaying corpses, dog eating, kung-fu ninja priests who kick ass for the Lord, and a "final solution" for zombies involving a lawnmower and puddles of blood and body parts--in other words, I recommend it highly. :) And remember--Jackson is the man behind the new Lord of the Rings movies.

Streetfighter: This was one of the worst movies I've ever seen, period. All I can say is, I'm depressed that a wonderfully talented actor like Raul Julia died with this abomination as his last piece of celluloid. Almost none of the characters were like their video counterparts (don't get me started on Blanka or Dhalsim), and everyone gave terrible performances across the board. This movie was abyssmal, and I'm sorry that it ever got made. Jaysus, it makes the Mortal Kombat movies look like freakin' Ben Hur.

Orson Scott Card fans: As you may or may not know, Card has chosen to return to the world of Ender. Another book in the Ender series is to be expected sometime in September, entitled "Ender's Shadow". Look for it at book stores everywhere!

Robby: Thanks for the DBZ info. I'm somewhat less confused, but there's still a lot I don't understand. Was Nappa the big bald guy who looked like Bill Goldberg on animal steroids? Why do all the "aliens" dress alike--what kind of group is Frieza leading (for that matter, why oh why did Saban use that voice for him--I just spent the last few episodes thinking he was a she!!)? Who are all the funky looking green dudes? Who the hell was that big pink fat-ass alien that Vegeta wasted (I'm sorry--"sent to another dimension") when he began to turn? What's with the turning into a giant ape creature? So many questions! ;) And personally, I seem to like Krillin, the little bald monk, best. I don't know, he strikes me as kind of the underdog, and I sort of like his character.
As for the RP.....I'm been sort of holding things off for a while till I see what Wilek and the others are going to do while Doug and Kit are "away" on their mission. I suppose I could explain it as one of two ways: SJ doesn't know of Jim's "death" yet (and therefore he's still waiting for him to arrive), or that he does know but doesn't want to upset Kari yet. Either way, though, I'll resolve it soon, don't worry. :)

Conan the Adventurer: I remember this show!! I was pretty cool. You had Conan (I loved the guy who did his voice--he had that perfect sort of superhero sound, I thought), this big African warrior guy, this sort of Middle Eastern magician (who's siblings were werewolves, if memory serves me), and this cute female warrior that was almost like a sidekick. The villains were cool too--you had the lizardmen, their leader Rathomon, and this evil sorceress who had the hots for Conan. All in all, I remember the show fondly. By Crom!!!

Coyote: Yep, first printing there, my boy. I was once lucky to find an issue of Wolverine #1 at a thrift shop--yes, a thrift shop. It was in good condition, and I paid all of 25 cents for it. At the time, it was worth 40 bucks. That will never happen to me again in a million years! ;-p

Spike: EXCELLENT deathmatch!!! I was laughing my arse off!! I still think my sides are hurting. Only a battle of Brooklyn's mates could be so rewarding. ;) And Sata looked mighty good in that sumo outfit! BTW, if you ever start taking requests....well, I'd like to throw myself into a deathmatch down the road. My luck though, I'd probably not survive it! ;-)




Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 11:44:23 PM
IP: 207-172-69-82.s273.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

YEP! OVER 60 OF US REGULARS!!!! We need straitjackets with the Gargoyles Logo...

Irina> I picked up an application for Natural Wonders a couple months ago cause I always went in there to buy the garg statues. But the store was too far away :( Oh well...

shogun> I agree with your comment on Shredder from TMNT. He *was* a formidable villian. The reason why I like him so much is from the cartoon series, he actually seems *human*! I've never heard a viallian so hysterical in my life! Like that ep with his mother...HAH!
SOROW
Saturday, August 21, 1999 11:32:15 PM
IP: usr11-dialup222.mix1.irving.cw.net

Wilek: <You are evil. ;P> Why, thank you. :) **bows** And guess what? I've got a few more!....

Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused his dentist's Novocain during root canal work? He wanted to transcend dental medication

A doctor made it his regular habit to stop off at a bar for a hazelnut daiquiri on his way home. The bartender knew of his habit, and would always have the drink waiting at precisely 5:03 p.m. One afternoon, as the end of the work day approached, the bartender was dismayed to find that he was out of hazelnut extract. Thinking quickly, he threw together a daiquiri made with hickory nuts and set it on the bar. The doctor came in at his regular time, took one sip of the drink and exclaimed, "This isn't a hazelnut daiquiri!" "No, I'm sorry," replied the bartender, "it's a hickory daiquiri, Doc."

A hungry lion was roaming through the jungle looking for something to eat. He came across two men. One was sitting under a tree reading a book; the other was typing away on his typewriter. The lion quickly pounced on the man reading the book and devoured him. Even the king of the jungle knows readers digest and writers cramp.

A woman has twins, and gives them up for adoption. One of them goes to a family in Egypt and is named "Amal." The other goes to a family in Spain; they name him "Juan." Years later, Juan sends a picture of himself to his mom. Upon receiving the picture, she tells her husband that she wishes she also had a picture of Amal. Her husband responds, "But they are twins. If you've seen Juan, you've seen Amal.

Hee hee hee! :P

Doug: Aw, you and Kitainia are leaving again? We'll miss ya.

Irina: Ack! That guy didn't know what a kaleidoscope is?!?! Yeesh!! Glad you were able to get out of that mess. I've got a friend who works at Fred Meyer, who has similar stories. One guy went in to get a garden hose, but ended up getting a soaker hose without realizing it. Then, for some reason, he hooked it to his kitchen sink and ran the hose through the house and out the back door. Then he tried to sue the company for the damage to his carpet and furniture. O_o But at least customers leave fairly quickly. I've got an idiot that I have to work with. I was showing him how to roll out thin-crust pizzas. I did one for him, showing him in detail every step of the process. He nodded, said, "Okay"--then proceeded to do something completely different from what I had showed him, and he had the balls to wonder why it didn't work. For one thing, I told him NOT to shove the dough into the roller, or it would jam up. He, of course, shoved it in, and it jammed. I cleared it out and repeated, "DON'T shove it in." He shoved it in again. And he kept pushing and pushing, jamming it farther in, packing it tighter... I went through that over and over for more than an hour. Man, I wanted to pour a whole bottle of degreaser down his throat....

BTW, I agree about Highlander. The first movie ended in a way that should've prevented anybody from even *considering* doing a sequal. And Methos rocks! The spinoff should've been centered on him, not that white-haired twit...

Jewel: I have the same problem. Sometimes I just start typing too fast, and don't notice until it's too late. But it's something that happens to everybody. :)

Delphi: LMAO! Ohh...gaaawd... hehehehehehe! (see above for more groaners :)

Jenniren: Pillsbury doughboy died of a severe yeast infection? Oh, dear gawd! ROTFL

Lexy: The money's on the way, I mailed it this morning. :)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:58:45 PM
IP: wire-22.koalas.com

Spike > Loved the "Deathmatch" mini-fic. The only thing missing was Mills Lane as the referee. :P

Sarge > You needed worry about anyone stealing stuff from your fanfics and publishing them as a book. The only people who are allowed to make money from anything related to Gargoyles is Disney.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:14:38 PM
IP: 98cc7915.ipt.aol.com

SPIKE'S CELEB DEATHMATCH - A great one! Of course, one of my characters was involved! :) Even though she didn't win, she made a good showing. Waydigo Roxanna!

Speaking of promoting new GCDM's, I've submitted a pair for Amy to mull over. One is a battle between my characters, David DeGuy and Alexander Xanatos (my version) vs. Jericho and Thailog. The other is between Amber and Rosanna Maza vs. Avery Bishop and Steven Edwards in a steel cage with special referee Katt (in her new mode, Vixen)...

Of course, I just suggested the match. Whether or not it come to fruitation is up to Amy Cyrway, and of course, Spike, Christine, and Coyote Bando as to whether or not I have permission to write the story of the fight. :)

But both would make a fantastic fight, no?

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:05:41 PM
IP: m97.ieway.com

Eesh, the room seems so wierd with so many newbies...
Ah well, welcome newbies! Allow me to take your sanity and store it in a jar. I don't know what I'm gonna do with all of it yet but I'll come up with something.

Jonathan Frakes is 47? And bald? Eek.

Lexy- Hmm... I'm getting a scanner hooked up soon... After I do my mentorship stuff and TGS stuff and that Pokemon thing for Wilek, I might find time to do some gargs swimsuit stuff...

Irina- You're absolutley right, Lucas screwed up Darth Maul. The jerk.

Also, that Kentucky Bluegrass color used to be mine! Way back, many months ago...

Wilek- If possible, I'll start working on that Pokemon stuff Monday. For now, I've gotta try and get four comic pages from various series and art styles done this weekend.

Indiana traveler- Nope, I've been completley ignoring your posts. Thats why I know you're asking if we've been paying attention. 8)

Puns- All the people making them should be hurt. Although ANimaniacs once did an episode with nothing but jokes that were puns. Wierd. And I'm suddenly reminded of the Raichu episode of Pokemon...

"What a SHOCKING devlopment."
"That was quite a TAIL."
*slash* "You've both been PUNished."

Airwalker- Heh. The image issue of Turtles you got was back when Mirage was still around. They were in control of that mini-series, (Which I believe crossed over into Savage Dragon.) Its the Image SERIES, from after the death of Mirage, that stinks so much...

Histeria- The new season? Heh. Those are NOT new Histeria episodes. What happened was, season one was supposed to have 52 episodes. Well, some of the episodes for whatever reason took extra long to make. At this point, only about 40 episodes of that lousy show have been released. The remaining 12, which were on the season 1 budget, will be released this fall as "a new season". While I'm not happy this show will still be taking air time, I am satisfied that at least, more of the drivel isn't being paid for.

Conan and Thundar- I loved the first Conan animated series. Good plot, good stories, good characters and animation. (The story with the lizard people was never resolved tho...) The series that followed with three royal brats rather sucked, especially since one had a magic amulet that made him invincible... As far as Thundar... Before my time. I saw it once on cartoon Network and found it funny the comet hit in like 1986...

Jenna- I know which Elfquest picture you're referring to, and I REFUSE to try and do that for Gargs! Considering how many females are in there...

Male or female characters dominating a show- Heh. Dragonball Z. The girls can't do jack in that series. Its not until very late in the series that any female characters that can stand up to the rest come along, and then its just 18 and Videl... The rest of the series its Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Trunks doing all the fun stuff...

Superman and emotion- I will give credit to the first Darksied two parter credit for one thing... Despite being an all action 2-parter, there was some emotion when they killed Dan Turpin, who's model sheet was based off of Jack Kirby. Then they tributed the episode to Jack. Nice.

SJ- In case you haven't checked your mail yet, I sent you about as simplified a version of the Dragonball series as I could muster...

Ed- Grr... Why do you guys in the UK get the cool Sonic comicwhile over here we get lame 5 year old trash?

Shogun Raptor- Actually, Dinobot 2 and Rampage were hardly immortal. They TRIED to clone Starscream's immortal spark when they made Rampage. The end result was pretty durable, but hardly immortal as they were both killed in the final two episodes.


Robby
Saturday, August 21, 1999 09:12:12 PM
IP: spider-te032.proxy.aol.com

I have a few questions to ask the artists and writers of this world out there.

Writers- If you ever have visited my web site you'll notice that I do not tend to keep many stories up. This is for a reason. I was born paranoid. I am afraid that people will steal my ideas and re invent them to make stories of their own and produce them in actual book stores.

I have MANY ideas, and they are very good. And I defiantly have the ability to write them out and post them up. But the thought of someone stealing my stories haunts me.

My question is does anybody have any words of advice to help easse those tensions? I would like to post the many fan-fics I have but fear crawls up my back.


Artists- I am an excellent pencil drawer and if need be I will switch to color pencils. I have no problem with that and I have many pictures of gargoyles I can post up.

I just want to know, from all the ink and pen drawers out there, how long did it take you to get the feel of the pen? I'm just starting and I'm a little curious.


Add two cups of flour. 1 cup sugur. 1 whole Sarge and stir. In fifteen minuets you'll have annoyance from hell!
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Saturday, August 21, 1999 08:56:22 PM
IP: spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com

The most common reason for Titania's refusing to heal Elisa is the law that cannot be broken, a law the fey seem to bend all to hell when it is convenient for them. And now Elisa, and Goliath have not the least bit of resentment at this? That is not in any way realistic, even in the gargoyles universe. At some point Elisa, and Goliath's help is going to be needed, and it would provide great pleasure to see them tell Titania where to go, and to clean there own messes. You have to admit the fey's arrogant attitude, and holding themselves above it all makes one want to place a 30 megaton thermonuclear bomb in Avalon, and vaporize the whole island. Would serve them right.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 08:45:27 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp47.fltg.net

Irina> you like Sandman and Marmalade Boy. Oh wow. I'm in love. (Well, not really, but you have, within a very short ammount of time, managed to establish yourself on my list of people who aren't a waste of effort.)

By the way, have you seen Fushigi Yuugi and/ or Escaflone. If so, which did you like better? I have a running argument with a friend over which of the two was the most perfectly stereotypical Anime ever.

FY managed, even though all the action took place in mythic China, to destroy Tokyo with a giant lizard.

Escaflone had the psychic girl, the Best Swordsman in the Universe, and giant battle mechs, but its' giant lizard only ravaged a minor suburb.

It's a tough choice.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, August 21, 1999 08:20:21 PM
IP: pppa43-fortworthb8-3r523.saturn.bbn.com

Spike- read "Catfight" it was a howl!!(And that's a compliment)

SJ- :P "in bikinis!!" REally! Down, boy, Down!!

Glad there are so many besides me that liked Thundar-- Actually when I was little, my nick name was Jendar-- I liked the show THAT Much-- scary, huh!? :P

Own fanfic progress-- well hoped to have part 2 of matters of Fate out by now-- looks like it will be in the beginning of Sept.

Tragedy-- hmmm-- some times I think there is a diff between Tragedy and NIHILISM. Tragedy, as it is shown in alot of Japanese Animation, I love-- it effects me. There seems to be more poincy in it than just nihisltic (sp- ack) stories-- does this make sense to anyone?

I write alot about Fate in my fanfic and orginal stories-- I just love the concept of fate- that the hero/heroine is called on to do something they were born to do-- that it could be done by no one else. I love to play with the idea of prophesy, and that prophesy doesn't always come in the front door, and usually doesn't mean what everyone expects it too. I intend to play alot with the Future Tense dream/prophesy in my story, but I don't intend to display it as what everyones else expects or has written already-- Fate/ and God writes straight with crooked lines-- that is a paradox I have always loved to write about.

How's that for a teaser--:P
Jenna
Saturday, August 21, 1999 08:05:03 PM
IP: 161.38.7.213

Quick post because I jsut thought of something. If y'all want to see an image of Akira Hojo and Chiaki Asami (1 and 2, altough in different orders, on me and Irina's respective "hot animated males" list), click on my name--I was working on a webpage dedicated to the manga "Sanctuary", (I don't know when I'll get to actually finish the bloody page. Maybe after I move and get a scanner and my books) but they look the exact same in the anime that was made from the series. And Cyring Freeman is from the manga/anime by the same name, and was drawn by the same guy as drew "Sanctuary." <sigh> And to think, all of *them* pale in comparison to Shingo Kusaka in "Strain," also drawn by Ryoichi Ikegami.
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 08:04:34 PM
IP: 207-172-74-91.s91.tnt2.man.va.dialup.rcn.com

Just a quick post--I just posted Part I of "Goetterdaemmerung"--"Dies Irae."

=)

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 07:29:01 PM
IP: 207-172-74-91.s91.tnt2.man.va.dialup.rcn.com

Spike>>>liked deathmatch LOL

Well I just got back from shopping with my youngest, we went and got her hair cut, hit Mc D's for lunch and the bought her school clothes, I am so happy that she is going to school this year, but I know I'm going to miss having her around on my day's off during school. I havn't started crying yet about sending my baby off to school, but I just might on the 30th when school starts.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, August 21, 1999 07:13:15 PM
IP: 207.14.195.78

Spike>Loved that deathmatch. Bravo! Excellent job! :)
Mary Flanders
Saturday, August 21, 1999 06:56:17 PM
IP: stk-ts3-h2-20-140.ispmodems.net

**enters the room, switching out the candles with one that looks kind of like a '58 Fairlane on its trunk**

Hey, thought I'd do something Gargs *and* car related tonight, on the biggest night for classic car enthusaists everywhere ... that's right, it's the WOODWARD DREAM CRUISE!! YEAHHH!!!

**composes self**

Sorry. But yeah, I have fun gawking. And I hope that in the next couple of years I can become a participant with "Now and Forever" ... and here's some *really* wishful thinking for ya, maybe with Ravyn as my backup driver.

**sighs, glances at the candle for a brief moment, then continues**

Fire Storm: Ifn's ya want 3-D modeling, talk to my ex ... she took a college course on Lightwave 3D.
About Gibraltar ... ain't that place sweet? I myself went there yesterday to have that plate made, and am going back tomorrow to have the frame for it engraved with something Garg-related that seems somewhat suitable for this Cadillac:
"The spell is broken ...
WE LIVE AGAIN!"

SJ: Thanks for the clarification on Brion James ... too bad about him, yeah. **sigh**
Second printing for "Harley Quinn?" Whoa, I've got an instant collector's item (mine's is a first printing! YESS!! Combine that with my first printing "Preacher" #1 around here somewhere and I can put 'em in a safe deposit box and have gold later on down the line. :).

Pissy and Delphi: Unnnnnnnnhhhhh ... **rolls on floor in convulsions** ;)

Wilek: Possibly construed as such ... but the thing is, the duality of the character is what put her on my (extended) list.

Jewel and Irina: Nice lists.

Jenniren: Seen that one before, but it's still painful. ;)

Shogun: Have ye seen the other two deathmatches that Cyrway has up at the page? One of them is special for me, because I co-wrote it with Cyrway (writing our own characters' attacks ... for those who didn't see it, the match was Kat vs. Samson). The other one I liked because it was all cars (the drag race between Cyrway's Artemis and the infamous Maza Fairlane.).

Fire Storm: Congrats on the comp. being up, and please pass along my congratulations to LM on the potential job, as well.

And just in time ... the DREAM CRUISE is comin' on!!!

**sits back down on the floor with a portable TV tuned in to Detroit's Channel 7, watching the Woodward Dream Cruise from the (relative ;) safety of the CR.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, August 21, 1999 06:55:34 PM
IP: modem96.i-is.com

<>SYSTEM CHECK<>
<>MAINFRAME: ONLINE AND ALL SYSTEMS FUNCTIONAL<>

YES! My desktop is FINALLY able to go on-line after 3 months of not being able to. No idea WHY it suddenly decided to work, though.

My lovely Lady Mystic was offered a job at a place while helping me set up thier computer network. She was just there helping me, and they asked if she wanted to work for them. Now she's just deciding wether to take it or not. It's a company that's on it's way up, and I will also be suplying them with computer stuff.The president of the company asked her and he said that he liked her from when he first met her!
WAY TO GO LM!

Entity: Batgirl dieing was aparently a dream sequence of Batman/Superman. Batgirl is the comissioner in Batman Beyond.

Wilek: Hey, 3d models of people are FAIRLY easy. Theres a program called Photomodeler that can take a few photo's of an object (Or a person in the same pose) and make a 3d model out of it. I got a copy of it around here somewhere...
Bonnieway, you can download it from the site.
<Clickie my linkie for it.>

Irina: Congratulations for getting out of retail! I was stuck there for almost 2 years and I will NEVER go back there again to work! (Hell, I only plan on going there once to shop, then I will try to NEVER set foot in that store again!)

<PRAISE//GIVER OF WILL>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 05:51:32 PM
IP: t2-31.visitus.net

Wilek> I know Exar Kun was the first one, but more people associate it with Maul, pity really, some mention of Exar Kun would've been nice
the deadly seven's vehicle> A black van/battle platform with a stylized blood-red 7 on the side, sort of like a cross between the Punisher's battle wagon and the Rhino from M.A.S.K. (anyone remember that? it was the brownish semi truck that turned into that battle platform
shogun raptor
Saturday, August 21, 1999 05:08:21 PM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

I'm back all you crazey people!

I'm a bit woozy because my family's painting the house and the fumes are getting to me. SO if I dumb anything I say, you reason now know why...:)

First off I didn't realize there were 60 people in this chat room now. That adds to my lists of headaches...:P

Spike- I read that Celeberty Deathmatch thing. First off I don't watch Celeberty Deathmatch in Real Life because my Television doesn't get the channel. ::pauses for a sob or two::, thankfully that uplifted my spirits. It was funny and I thought the picture was awsomely cool. Too bad you can't put ALL of Brooklyn's girlfriends from every fan-fic in..........then again maybe not......(imagines about 25 to 50 girls attacking Brooklyn)

Jenniren- Nice Pun story. Although I think my brain has been warped.

Now I just want to write. So here is 10 Gargoyle love matches with Pokemon to annoy the heck out of you. ( If your not a Pokemon fan then you won't know these...) If this has already been done then fine.....

10. Goliath Bulbasuar
9. Angela and Cubone
8. Demona and Electrabuzz (considering Electrabuzz kills anything wearing red, this suits just fine with Demona since she can't die....)
7. Zafrio and Arbok (he needs another like him)
6. David Xanatoos and Squirtle
5. Lexington and Charizard
4. Hudson and Ditto
3. Coldstone and Magnemite (get 'em sparks flying)
2. Elisa Maza and Tentacruel (?)
and the number one match....
1. Broadway and JigglyPuff

At least I didn't mention Pikachu.....although he and Owen was a nice match.....so now that I've utterly made you sick...........

Sarge. If swallowed or comes in contact with eyes call a mortrician.

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Saturday, August 21, 1999 05:01:43 PM
IP: spider-wd042.proxy.aol.com

Spike> you should see my gargs celebrity deathmatch fic, it's not like yours, more like a traditional celebrity deathmatch with gargoyles, the fight card was Coldstone vs. "stone cold" steve Austin, Jackal & Hyena vs. Hugh and seven of nine and the main event: Oberon vs. Darth Vader, I also have yet to work on the sequel, Gargs vs. Beat wars, for that little gem, Lexington will take on Waspinator (green and easily beaten)
Fang will battle Rattrap (both lechers as well as the whole cat/mouse bit) and in a main event that will raise the art of violence to new lows: Demona, Macbeth and Jon Canmore(none of that quarry BS, he's all hunter in this bout)
Vs. Rampage, Transmetal 2 Dinobot and Depth charge (both are immortals with heavily armed mortals hunting them)
shogun raptor
Saturday, August 21, 1999 04:59:31 PM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

Here's my contribution to the bad-pun collection, forwarded to me by my cousin:

PILLSBURY DOUGHBOY DEAD AT 71

Veteran Pillsbury spokesman Pop N Fresh died yesterday of a severe yeast infection. He was 71.

Fresh was buried in one of the largest funeral ceremonies in
recent years. Dozens of celebrities turned out, including
Mrs. Butterworth, the California Raisins, Hungry Jack, Betty
Crocker, and the Hostess Twinkies.

The graveside was piled with flours as longtime friend Aunt
Jemima delivered the eulogy, describing Fresh as a man who
"never knew how much he was kneaded."

Fresh rose quickly in show business, but his later life was
filled with many turnovers.

He was not considered a very smart cookie, wasting much of
his dough on half-baked schemes. Still, even as a crusty old man, he was a roll model for millions.

Fresh is survived by his second wife, they have two children
and one in the oven.

The funeral was held at 2:25 for 20 minutes.

Jenniren
Saturday, August 21, 1999 02:14:52 PM
IP: user-2ivf754.dialup.mindspring.com

Reading all your Dumb Customers posts has me thinking off
"Jay Walking" A segment from the Tonight show,looks like there are idiots everywhere.

I already put my list of hot cartoon guys but if there are video game charachters, ok then

1.Brooklyn
2.Lexington
3.Darien/Mamarou(From SailorMoon)
4.Bob (Reboot)
5.Vegeta
6.Trunks
7.Terry (Batman Beyond)
8. Fry(Futurerama)
9.Hugh(The guy Lisa was going to marry in a future vison of the Simpsons)
10.Cloud(FF7)
11.Vincent(FF7,there just something about a tall dark mysterious guy)

NOSTALGIA!!!! anyone remember this?

"I'm just a bill on captiol hill"?

and the version on the Krusty the Klown show

"Im an amendment to be yeah an amendment to be, just sitting here till the ratify me."

Bart:"What the hell is this?"

Lisa:"its one of those campy 70's throwbacks that appeall to generationXers"
I have read Antigone,Oedipus Rex,and Helen of Troy, i also saw the play Medea
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, August 21, 1999 02:06:47 PM
IP: ts002d41.orl-fl.concentric.net

Goodmorning everyone
More consumer labels for your enjoyment

On Marks & Spencer Bread Pudding: Product will be hot after heating.
(Are you sure???Let's experiment.)

On packaging for a Rowenta iron: Do not iron clothes on body.
(But wouldn't that save more time?)

On Boot's Children's cough medicine:
Do not drive car or operate machinery.
(We could do a lot to reduce the rate of construction incidents if we just kept those 5 year olds off those fork lifts.)

Pistoff>>ROTFL
bye for now
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, August 21, 1999 01:33:12 PM
IP: 207.14.200.185

Spike> I laughed until I cried. Though you might want to warn folks of the PG-13 rating. (My definition of PG-13 is very different from the motion pictures standard) Thought i have to say after tha Brooklyn should have no right to complain about his love life. If I were in the position, I'd be trying to sublet the others to my two brothers. "You know there's more of me back home." It was funny.

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 01:05:43 PM
IP: 12.73.26.2

Jewel - I LOVED that ST ep... now ya got me all worked up. ::takes a cold shower and tries not to think of Spock::

:)
CrzyDemona
Saturday, August 21, 1999 12:16:27 PM
IP: mp2e8.ez2.net

Now up at the Rockaway for a limited time --- the latest installment of the Gargoyles Celebrity Deathmatch!

"Catfight"
Spike
Saturday, August 21, 1999 11:33:07 AM
IP: ppp07-24.ght.iadfw.net

OK, I need to amend my list, because somehow, I managed to forget Xanatos. D'oh.

Hot males, revised:
1. Hojo (from the anime "Sanctuary"--I had to say which one because I know some of y'all play FF7 and there's a Hojo in there)
2. Asami (from "Sanctuary") (all I gotta say about these two is *daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn*)
3. Xanatos
4. Crying Freeman
5. Gambit
6. Captain Sheng from "Mulan"
7. Brooklyn
8. Owen
9. Wolverine
10. Yakko (don't ask me why; I have no idea)

Oh, and Irina forgot to preface her list (she was all hjyper to get it out, she forgot to say what it was) Her list o'characters was "Hot animated men", too.

Damn, the hormones are thick right now. (I am a Mawrter, there are no hormones. I am a Mawrter, there are no...oh, who the hell am I trying to kid?)

(That reference, BTW, is to the ST episode "Operation: Annihilate!" in which Spock, who looked really, *really* hot the whole bloody ep, started saying "I am a Vulcan, there is no pain." The room full of hormonal women started saying, "I am a Mawrter [nickname for a Bryn Mawr student or alum], there are no hormones...oh, who are we *kidding*?")

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:37:36 AM
IP: 96.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

1. Asami
2. Hojo ("Sanctuary," of course, Not FF7)
3. Crying Freeman
4. Gambit
5. Captain Sheng from "Mulan"
6. Xanatos
7. Miwa from "Marmalade Boy"
8. Wolverine

Ok, ppl, I'm including video games here, since technically they are animated. :)
9. Squall Leonheart, upcoming hero of FFVIII. I mean, good God... well, that pretty much covers it...
10. Sephiroth. I'm sorry, people, but he just Is. At the end there, especially...

Btw, I"m only putting these two as 9 and 10 because only technically do they fit in the category. They would otherwise fit in slots 4 and 5, respectively. Just move all the others down.

Okay, we've now done hot males, to some extent, I still want to see some other responses to this one. But how about favorite male animated characters?
I'll have to think about this one for a while...
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:31:42 AM
IP: 96.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Pistoff: <chuckles> Yup, I noticed my typo right after I posted, and had quite a good laugh over it. Hey, what can I say, my foot has a good home in my mouth. That seems to be its default location...

Adrienne: You stopped reading after Belinda died which time? I'm just curious...

OK, now we gotta be fair. If we're mentioning hot *female* characters, you have to do hot male ones. My list:

1. Hojo (from the anime "Sanctuary"--I had to say which one because I know some of y'all play FF7 and there's a Hojo in there)
2. Asami (from "Sanctuary") (all I gotta say about these two is *daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn*)
3. Crying Freeman
4. Gambit
5. Captain Sheng from "Mulan"
6. Brooklyn
7. Goliath
8. Wolverine
9. Yakko (don't ask me why; I have no idea)
10. Tigra from "Thundercats"


jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:18:22 AM
IP: 130.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Sorry about the double, there was just something I wanted to say on the subject of Highlander.
The most complete story in Highlander that has been told is probably the series.
As for the movies, let me just say There Should Have Been Only One! Though the first movie made plenty of mistakes, most of which were corrected in the series. But it was still by far better than the other two travesties.
In my opinion, the best character of the whole thing was in the series, Methos.
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 09:58:56 AM
IP: 130.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Pistoff-
I work retail, in the store Natural Wonders (Today is my last day, thank God). The other day, I had a shift, and I had to work with a couple of people who took me around the store, pointing to items and asking what the price tags said. This took about a half an hour. Then they took me Back through the store, asking what everything was.
Here's the most memorable quote for the day, this was after I had kind of degenerated into sarcasm:
Stupid people: "Kaleidoscope? What is a kaleidoscope? How does it work?"
Me: "You look through it. Scope. It's pretty."
Part of the reason I let myself get sarcastic was because one of the first things they said was "we are not here to buy, but..."
I love retail. :|

Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 09:49:14 AM
IP: 130.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Hi all!!

Todd:Happy Birthday!

Watership down:I remember that,that bright eye's song always makes me misty eyed,makes me remember rainy Sunday mornings watching cartoons and playing with my Transformers,happy days....AWWW now I'm depressed:(

ironwolf re Starblazers:He he I am soooo old I remember trying to stay out of kidengarden to watch this.Hehheh yeah,the Yamato RULED!:)

traveler?:Wanderer and Nightwalker sound like good names(Nightwalker especially,feels more like Gargolyes)

Irina:Loved your rant on tragedy,the fact that you mentioned Final Fantasy was coincidental for me seeing as I went out and bought a copy of Final Fantasy VII today:)

SOROW:WOW! there's 60 of us(That's a lot of straitjackets:))

Oh well gotta go to bed.

C'yas later!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Saturday, August 21, 1999 09:45:56 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

**RP HERE**

Doug returns to the transport room to find the others waiting for him, including Jaden and Shogun Raptor's group. "I'm coming with you guys," Jaden says, and Doug nods. "Alright. Jammer, did you find Fleur?" "She was in the ladies room," the Ravens' driver sighs. "I couldn't go in there. I left a note for her with the Avatar's bartender, I guess Fleur can meet us in Akron if she wants to join us later." "Okay," Doug sighs. "I suppose that will be good enough." "This is Shogun," Kit introduces the strangers, "and his friends. They helped out some in the Borg battle and want to come with us now." Doug smiles and shakes their hands. "Okay, let's go," he says after doing so and they all step through the prepared gateways, having already said their goodbyes to those staying on the Avatar. They come out in a Chicago MIB parking garage where they find Jammer's station wagon, Stephanie's Taurus, and whatever vehicle Shogun's team will be using waiting for them. "On to Akron?" Stephanie asks as they pile into the cars. "First we take Ruth home," Doug answers, noticing the girl's look of sullen disappointment. "Cheer up," he tells her. "You knew you couldn't stay with us forever." "Yeah," Ruth agrees sadly. "But why did my stay have to be so short?" "That's the way it went," Kit replies, Ruth nodding agreement as they pull out and start heading for her mother's house.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi everyone. Time for another of my posts, and I'm sorry to say it will be the last one for a while. Kit and I have to go out of town this afternoon on important business, we won't get back till Wednesday. I don't want to say what the business is yet, but will when we get back. Hopefully it will be good news. :) $ Note- The RP is not suspended during our absence, those players who are still around can and should do whatever they want to continue its story. We just won't be participating much until our return Wednesday night. Until then just assume our team is headed for Akron and in our next post we will arrive. :) $

Fanfic Progress: I'm glad to say I'll be leaving Part 2 of Protected Species at a good stopping point. Sunset, to be exact. :) I'll pick it up after Kit and I get back, and it will probably take a few more weeks after that. I'd finish it faster, but school for us starts next Thursday, and so we'll be busy. :(

Welcome to all newcomers. Happy Belated Birthday to all who've had one recently that I missed.

Hot Animated Characters: My personal list includes Elisa, Angela, Demona, Fox, Titainia (Gargoyles), AndrAIa (Reboot), Teela (He-Man), Dana (Batman Beyond), Agent L (MIB), Felicia Hardy/Black Cat (Spiderman), Sata, Brianna, Ari (TGS), Laura Powers (The Simpsons), Daria (from the MTV show of the same name), Sonia (Invasion America), Sakura (Street Fighter), Natsu, Akira (Rival Schools- United by Fate), Emeralda (Xenogears), Jessica (Lunar Silver Star Story), Tifa Lockheart (Final Fantasy 7), Mulan (Disney film of same name), and Rynn (Drakan).

Interesting Tidbit: I know why the pastor in that article Wilek showed us was pissed off about Pokemon named Abra and Cadabra. According to the research on demons I've done for my fanfic, there were supposedly a pair of minor devils related to magic and necromancy with those names. This kind of paranoia fits in perfectly with FE mentality. <shakes head slowly> Wonder what my dad (who lives in Colarado Springs) thinks about it. <shrugs> Maybe I should ask him soon.

Irina: Good statement about tragedy, I agree with every word of it. I've read and enjoyed all those stories you've mentioned, and have to say now that I've thought about it, they had way better plots, characters, and quotes than any videogame I've ever played. Especially Xenogears. That's my opinion and I think it's also that of most critics. :)

traveler: Hmm, what name would be best for you? <feels song coming on> Hobo, Wanderer, Nomad, Vagabond, call me what you will...<stops> Wanderer sounds fine to me.

Paul: Thanks for your further explanation on how you percieve the Fei and Elly relationship, I'm glad to know the differences between the way I see it and the way you do. I'll drop that subject now. As for what I thought of Lunar 2, IMO it's one of the best RPGs ever made. I can hardly wait for the remake this winter, hope they don't change things around too much and wreck everything as sometimes happens with remakes. Zophar made an especially good villain, we enjoyed wiping the arrogant smirk off his face so to speak. <grin> Most of what else I thought has already been said by Kit. Oh, btw, we did find Leo in the epilogue. He didn't say anything particularly special, but it was nice to see all the game's plotlines resolved at the end. With new possibilities on the Blue Star. :)

Van Damme: I agree with everyone else about his poor acting ability, though I have enjoyed some of his older movies. Universal Soldier was entertaining, mainly because of Dolph Lundgren's excellent preformance. (I didn't like the two HBO Unisol sequels much, but they did have pretty good villains. And Chandra West is one hot babe. :)

Street Fighter was one of the better films with Van Damme in it IMO, but that's mainly due to Raul Julia's great preformance. The script was pretty good too, except for Dhalsim and Blanka. Ken and Ryu weren't that great either. Only Sagat, Bison, Vega, Deejay, and Zangief were perfectly done and thus memorable. They made the movie tolerable for me.

**WEEKEND MOVIE SPOILERS AHEAD**

Speaking of Van Damme Kit and I saw his new film yesterday (we were in the mood for action). It's his worst movie yet. Plot has more craters than the moon, no character development or continuity with the other Universal Soldier films, no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Even Goldberg's decent preformance didn't make it entertaining. They're gonna lose money on this one. Bigtime. 1/10, thumbs pointing at the lowest circle of Inferno.

A much better film to see this weekend would be Mickey Blue Eyes, which we also checked out. It's full of great jokes, and the plot and script are quite entertaining, if not that well-written. Hugh Grant and Jeanne Tripplehorn give pretty good preformances, and James Caan delivers one of the best of his career. This one gets a 9/10, thumbs way up. Go see it, if you like Mafia action and romantic comedy you will definitely enjoy!

**SPOILERS END**

Mary: Thanks for the link to your school's webpage, it looks like a very nice place to get educated. Good luck with your work there this year.

Kaioto: Get well soon. And thanks for posting the great commentary on evil, nihilism, and selfishness. I'll be remembering it as I develop Jadriel in some of my upcoming fics.

Lady Arianna: Welcome back! And congrats on getting the new PC.

Dungeons and Dragons: I used to watch that show, but unfortunately don't remember it too well. :( I've enjoyed the game it's based on a lot, though, and often still do. :)

Dags: Sorry to hear about your accident, hope everything works out for you soon.

Traveler: Thanks for the great Zophar joke, that had me ROFLMAO.

<Moment of silence for Brion James> Sorry to hear that guy's dead, I liked his roles a lot. Maybe I'll honor his memory by having Laura express grief over the passing of a favorite relative in an upcoming fic. :)

Thundarr: I watched that show too. It was pretty cool. Neat action and characters. I've always liked Conan the Barbarian better than Thundarr the Barbarian, though, especially in his Conan the Adventurer show.

Male vs. Female Characters: I agree that too often in TV shows and stories characters of one gender seem more powerful and developed than those of the other. Hope that so far I'm avoiding that in my fics. (No one's accused me of it yet, that's a good sign. :) I hate PC stuff too.

Tailchaser's Song: Sounds like I better read that book soon. Thanks for the info that recommended it to me, Aaron. Hope it's as good as Tad Williams' Green Angel Tower trilogy (which I've read and enjoyed a lot).

And that's all I had to say, I'll see you all again Wednesday night. Hail and farewell!! <waves>

**RESUME RPING**

The Ravens' convoy arrives at Ruth's mother's house and knock on the door. Mrs. Potter comes to the door and immediately bursts into tears as she embraces her daughter. "I heard what happened on the news. I was so worried, thank God you're alive." She turns to the Ravens. "Thank you, thank you for watching over my daughter." "No problem, ma'am," Doug smiles. "You know, your daughter's quite a formidable shot with an assault rifle. We didn't have to watch over her very much." Ruth smiles in thanks while her mother frowns and looks concerned. "Um," she recovers, "would you all like to come in for a drink?" "Sorry, but we have to get back on the road," says Kitainia. "More to do ahead in our continuing mission to save the world from hostile takeover." Mrs. Potter nods. "Alright then. I wish you all good luck. You'll be in my prayers." "Mine too," Ruth agrees. "Thanks again for all the great fun we had together." She and her mother wave goodbye as the Ravens get back into their cars and drive off, headed towards the freeway that will get them to Akron.

Meanwhile, in the enemy's secret base, Kharsus walks into Thailog's office with a smile on his face. "Our imp friend Zezil just picked up the Ravens' trail again," he reports. "They came out of the Chicago MIB garage, just like you thought they would. They should be headed for Akron now." "Good," Thailog chuckles wryly. "Have him keep them under surveillance, and get Agent Tau and his men to Akron so they can set up the trap. As soon as the Ravens are captured, Phalanx Prime will begin enacting our next plan." Kharsus nods and leaves to carry out his orders as the screen goes blank.

**END RP AND POST**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 08:59:37 AM
IP: pool-207-205-151-244.dlls.grid.net

AIRWALKER - For that matter, one almost wonders how Gotham City was able to survive for 20 years without Batman around, given that the mood of that place was a gloom-ridden decaying city overrun by freakish and bizarre criminals that the regular police were unable to hold back. Either Batman must have handled permanently practically all the "rogues' gallery" members so that it was just the regular criminals and not the "super-villain" ones left to plague Gotham, or else the city's defences must have stepped up a bit (either via the police, or possibly Derek Powers giving some help to Gotham in return for getting more power to control Gotham as he wanted).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, August 21, 1999 07:11:27 AM
IP: 208-19-232-146.dialup-stl.primary.net

**No RP tonight <sigh>...**

Paul> <<"If I sleep here, mom comes into my dreams."-Yua>> The guy's mom is Freddy Krueger? Ack. (Why are these games so easy to MST? ;P )

Delphi> Sinko de Mayo and Mary Poppins. OH THE PAIN! ;P

Todd> It's your birthday too? Kewlies! Hm...what would be an appropriate present...a Phoenix Gate? Nah, more trouble than it's worth...

Fave cartoon girls> I rarely if ever think in terms of physical attraction, but there are a few who make the list for other reasons, such as Rebecca Cunningham, Harley Quinn, and Mercy (from Superman).

Aaron> <<Forget Janeway, I said great captains.>> Still, anyone who's disappointed when the *Borg* get away from *her*... :)

Christine> <<found out last night that my father the Confederate soldier was an extra in Wild Wild West!>> Woah. Which scene? I'll remember it when I get the DVD. ^_^

Kitainia> << <kills Deanna Troi in some gruesomely painful manner involving a straight razor> >> Heh...[The sun sets, and the former corpse of Deanna Troi regenerates into a ticked-off looking gargoyle, who fortunately is sedated and carted off before she can cause too much trouble.] Considering the actress involved, I couldn't resist doing something sick, wrong, and evil with this. >;)

The Artist Soon To Be Formerly Known As traveler?> <<so now to make everything right again I need some help in coming up with a name that Helps sum up who I am like traveler did>> How 'bout Sojourner? Or, failing that, Nightwalker.

DarkAngel> Heh...the Jar Jar Project has a half-second or two scene with George Lucas, who is explicitly identified as such just so there can be no mistake, going after Jar Jar and ranting something about Jar Jar having 'ruined my masterpiece'. >:)

Coyote> <<Dang, if I'd known I coulda included movies [...]>> Couldn't one of your comments be considered a major spoiler for 'Mask Of The Phantasm'?

SOROW> <<Do you know that there are more than 60 of us???!!!>> WOW. Now there's a good-sized asylum. ^_^

Fire Storm> <<Has anyone made any Gargoyles 3d models?>> Er...I'm not sure if it's 3d Studio or not, but I think someone's done an unfinished Bronx model. Heh, if I knew a really good 3D artist who took free commissions, I'd have him/her do a render of me. (Big surprise there. :P ) <<I saw the Brittney video (In my head) and Jar-Jar was wearing a school girl outfit dancing in the hall with Brittney.>> That's a fairly accurate description of Hell.

SJ> <<I'm trying to get into it, watching the eps on Cartoon Network thanks to everyone's (and especially yours) recommendation, and I am friggin lost as can be.>> You too? Some MIT scientists were given tapes of this series and told to find out what in the name of the Force was going on. They have yet to succeed. Speaking of DBZ, what's up with the pronunciation of Namek? I always thought it was 'Nay-mek' (kinda named one of my fic characters after it), but in recent eps it's been the awful 'Nammick'. Eesh.

Shogun Raptor> <<Galtar and the golden lance (two swords that became one double-bladed weapon that just SCREAMED Darth Maul, had he come out yet)>> Hm...you know, I do believe that Maul wasn't the first Star Wars villain to have a lightsaber like that. I think that honor goes to a Star Wars comic book (I think) villain named Exar Kun.

Pistoff> Jokes> You are evil. ;P <<When she told me I was average, she was just being mean.>> Heh...you know, it took me a few seconds to figure this one out...
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, August 21, 1999 03:39:23 AM
IP: tnt-2-184-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Van damme> I got two words for you: STREET FIGHTER!
I dunno which was worse, their spitting on the game plots or the casting of that bicep-brained Belgian as Guile, and what they did to Blanka and Dhalsim..HONESTLY!!!! Poor Raul Julia, one of the last films he did was that load o' cr@p

Bob Skir, or the future of transformers is tense> I'm reminded of a quote by Dave Lister (Red Dwarf) "Just because she has an IQ of twelve hundred thousand doesn't mean she can play pool" In other words, these guys can write great eps like "future tense" but it doesn't mean they can carry a Transformers series, especially seeing as how they up and whizzed on continuity...AND MANGLED MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS FOR THE SAKE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS@!!!!!!
shogun raptor
Saturday, August 21, 1999 03:39:09 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

Coyote: No prob. :) I know how people can be. Honestly, with all the crap people like us have to put up with, I'm amazed that we've managed to stay outta jail. :P Incidentally, I've got another one for ya. This guy called this morning, and had a coupon for two medium pizzas. He also wanted a 2-liter Coke. Okay, fine, no problem...but when I told him the total, he said, "Can'tcha go any cheaper 'n 'at?"

"No," I said. "You already have a coupon, you're getting a discount already."

"I know. But can't ya, y'know, make it cheaper?"

All I could do was shake my head. What a stupid son of a bitch! Fell out of a stupid tree and hit every f--kin' branch!

Ah, I feel better now... :)

Delphi: Oh, gaaaaawwwwwd! Have to admit, that one caught me by surprise, though it shouldn't have. ;) This one was pretty bad. So, for a bit of revenge, I offer the following groaners...

Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, but when they lit a fire in the craft it sank - proving once and for all that you can't have your kayak and heat it, too.

Two boll weevils grew up in South Carolina. One went to Hollywood and became a famous actor. The other stayed behind in the cotton fields and never amounted to much. The second one, naturally, became known as the lesser of two weevils.

This guy goes into a restaurant for a Christmas breakfast while in his home town for the holidays. After looking over the menu he says, "I'll just have the eggs Benedict." His order comes a while later and it's served on a big, shiny hubcap. He asks the waiter, "What's with the hubcap?" The waiter sings, "Oh, there's no plate like chrome for the hollandaise!"

When she told me I was average, she was just being mean.

A group of chess enthusiasts checked into a hotel and were standing in the lobby discussing their recent tournament victories. After about an hour, the manager came out of the office and asked them to disperse. "But why?," they asked, as they moved off. "Because," he said, "I can't stand chess nuts boasting in an open foyer."

Okay, I guess that's enough torture for now... ;)

SJ: Actually, in an interview Van Damme mentioned that he used to deliver pizzas. I'm not sure how to feel about that.... ;) He must not have been doing it very long, otherwise he wouldn't come across as such a nice guy in his interviews--or even his movies. He's got the kind of voice that makes him hard to take seriously as a tough guy. Every time he says one of his lines, he just sounds...nice. But I agree, it would be fun to send him right back to that pizza-delivery purgatory and I could take a...heh...whack at a movie career. Though I probably wouldn't vivisect people. It'd be over too quickly. ;)

Universal Soldier sequals: Why make a sequal? Leaving all the other problems with the original aside, I think the first one told a complete story, and there's simply no need for sequels. Just as Highlander told a complete story--and at the end, it was OVER. There shouldn't have been any sequels...or a TV series, for that matter. But at least the TV show was damn good.

Jewel: Ummm...ahem. SJ's "Pist of the North Star" comment wasn't a typo. He was referring to me, since I occasionally tag my posts with that phrase (I've only done it a few times, just for the hell of it). It was Denis De Plaen's idea, actually. It hadn't even occurred to me until he suggested it, so I said to myself, hey, why not? But, uh...speaking of typos...you typed it, "Pist of the *Norht* Star." **chuckles** Irony can be so ironic... ;)

More Universal Soldier stuff: It was pretty good, as far as action movies go. But I think it would've been a lot more interesting to see the inner, psychological goings-on regarding a guy who was murdered, brought back to life as a killing machine, and then started to regain his memories. It would've been interesting to see him try to put his life back together. Heh, could've made a fairly decent TV series...
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 03:23:54 AM
IP: wire-6.koalas.com

*no RP for now*
Thundarr, I remember him, and I remember his friend who looked like a cross between a Wookie and a scooby-doo villain, as I recall, the comet hit in 1994, according to the show, speaking of shows, I remember the Herculoids as well, my fave was Zok (the dragon-looking thing), secondly was Tundro (the rock-shooting twelve-legged triceratops thing)
but then I've always been a sucker for self-generated projectile attacks, speaking of which, anyone remember a cartoon called Samson and Goliath, there were two heroes, a guy who turned into the biblical strongman and his lion, Goliath who had some sort of heat-vision thing going on.
and speaking of hanna-barbera cartoons with cool weapons, remember Galtar and the golden lance (two swords that became one double-bladed weapon that just SCREAMED Darth Maul, had he come out yet)
what about Robotix, or Bigfoot and the muscle machines, and all those old 80's toons, but I digress, I was a big TMNT fan, I was partial to Don, both for his lex-esque affinity for machines (ror does lex have a Don-esque affinity for machines) and that cool-@$$ Bo of his, but then of all the villains in the cartoons I just mentioned, Shredder was one of if not the most formidable villain, even without any minions, henchmen, or technology, he was a formidable foe, but he was no Megatron, but I've always been a transfan, geez, imagine if instead of Krang, shredder allied himself with the decepticons, talk about turtle soup
shogun raptor
Saturday, August 21, 1999 02:59:20 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

Just passin' through...

Universal Soldier> I agree, Van Damme can't act worth a dime and he isn't taking on any movies with the potential to prove otherwise (same with Seagal). The first Universal Soldier was a great film, because Van Damme's role was that of a non-talkative, expressionless character. Lungren carried the movie, he was fantastic! But now they've not only got two sequels, they've got two Part 2's. *shakes head* Talk about confused continuity. My family owns a small video store, so I've seen the direct-to-video Part 2. They re-enacted the final battle scene from the original with new actors for Van Damme and Lungren!

Batman> In which did they kill off Batgirl, Batman Beyond or the Batman/Superman one? I don't really care about the Batman/Superman version... I don't like Nightwing. He has no point in being there. But ah well... If they're maintaining some semblence of continuity between the two shows then I'm guessing Batgirl dies in Batman Beyond? Pity... I thought her character had evolved nicely. I agree, that if Batman's going to have one last time in the spotlight it should be with Joker, not Bane. Hmmm...I really should start watching the eps again, but they're on sooo early...

SJ> Here are two links to DBZ pages:

http://www.goes.com/~dbzinfo/frames.html
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/3067/dbz/zhome.htm

The second one has short episode summaries, while the first has a series timeline.

Entity - [cotleur@ix.netcom.com]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 12:34:30 AM
IP: ely-oh3-17.ix.netcom.com

SJ: "The *Pist* of the Norht Star"? I have to say, that typo gives the sentance a whole new level of meaning (and Irina is now the one convulsing on the floor. And yes, I'm over ather house again. I had to get out of the house where I was. I need my own space, and like, now) Oh, and Irina is a BIG Ellison fan--she was the one who introduced me to Ellison, and I had the fun of watching her follow Ellison around for 2 days and running at top speed to get front row seats for every panel he was speaking in (and to think,I wondered for a while why Ellison declared me the "protector of the virginal waifs"...)

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Saturday, August 21, 1999 12:06:03 AM
IP: 106.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

***BEGIN RP****
In one of the guest quarters of the Avatar of Ganon, SJ waits patiently as Kari finishes getting ready. After her ordeal, she had desired a shower and some clean clothes. Now dressed in a simple jumpsuit on loan from the station's clothes racks, she dried her hair with a towel and listened to SJ explain to her what happened in detail. "Well, one of those Borg kids--Brendan I think it was--was able to hide further up the corridor as we took out Berg and his two pals. Before any of us could react, he had fired, hit you, and sent the rest of us scrambling."
"So you brought me here," Kari said.
"Yep. It had the best medical facilities nearby for your type of injuries. Somehow I don't think any of the locals hospitals would know how to handle a laser wound. So anyway, I came here with you, and the others took out the Devastator."
"How long was I in a coma?"
"Hmm....a few days. Things were real touch and go there for a while."
"But the staff healed me, right?"
SJ looked uncomfortable. He had yet to explain to anyone why Kari was suddenly well and fit....least of all the Borg doctors, who were confused by her sudden recovery. "Um...yeah, they made you all better."
Kari walked over and sat down beside SJ. She carefully took his hand in her own, her eyes facing downwards. "Junior....I...I'd just like to thank you. You know, for being there for me. For staying beside me while I was hurt."
SJ's face went serious. "It was the least I could do. I mean...I was responsible for what happened to you. If you hadn't come along--"
"Don't say that," Kari interrupted him. "I went with you because I'm fighting for the same things you are. I'm a big girl, I know the risks, and I can handle them. It's not your fault. I think it's sweet you stayed with me the whole time. I won't forget it, Junior." And with that, she gave him a quick kiss on the cheek and ruffled his hair with her hand.
SJ blushed. "Oh..um...thank you. Um....shall we see what Wilek's up too?"
****END RP FOR NOW****

Irina: Are you an Ellison fan as well? I love the man's work. I'm currently reading "Slippage" again, for about the dozenth time. The man is absolutely brilliant!
And for the record, "Antigone" is one of my favorite tragedies. I was extraordinarily moved by her death. They don't write them any better than the Greeks did, that's for sure.

Robby: Brion James played General Munro in "The Fifth Element". It wasn't a major role, but it was a decent part, and Brion was no stranger to sci-fi. It was nice to see him play a hero, though; he was usually typecast as a villain.
BTW, can you point me to a good (i.e. *informative*) web/fansite for Dragonball Z? I'm trying to get into it, watching the eps on Cartoon Network thanks to everyone's (and especially yours) recommendation, and I am friggin lost as can be. All I know is Goku, Gohan, and some little bald guy are the good guys (I actually think baldy is kind of cool ;) and all the villains dress off the same rack......oh, and some badass mofo named Vegetable (j/k ;) is gonna kill everyone. I need the 411! :)

Coyote: The Harlequin one-shot is so dern popular, they're already going to issue a second printing in a couple weeks. I thought it was great--Harly belongs soooo much in the original, comic Bats universe. I need her infectious brand of psycho-demented cuteness!

Batgirl's Dead: I too enjoyed this episode, although, being the hardcore Bats fan that I am, I would have preferred the final hurray of Batman be between him and Joker, not Bane. However, Bane was more fitting for the story. Kudos to the creative team behind this episode--it was far more dark and foreboding (not to mention apocalyptic and depressing) than most of the other WB Bats episodes.

Jenna: A "Women of Gargoyles" pic, huh? Are they all gonna be in bikinis???
Okay, I was trying to be sexist there. ;-p :)

Universal Solider 2 & 3: Sweet merciful Jaysus, they DID make 2 sequels to the original. The immortal question is, WHY??? I mean, the first one was a decent action/adventure film with sci-fi overtones, but did it really warrant a sequel? I think it's a sad state of affairs for Jean-Claude's career that he has to return to this well again. Why is this man still making movies? Why can't he follow Steven Seagal's direction and drop off the face of the planet? (Look, I say that now, and Segal will probably have about 10 films in the next year....sigh)
Personally, if I was running things, Van Damme would be hocking deep dishes down at the Pizza Hut and we'd be seeing the Pist of the North Star vivisecting people on the big screen. :)

Thundarr: I remember this show. Very odd, and I only have vague recollections of it. I know that I thought his alien sidekick was pretty cool. Don't they still show this sometimes on Cartoon Network? Or am I thinking of that peachy keen "Herculoids" show?


Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:54:44 PM
IP: 207-172-120-52.s52.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Okay, don't kill me for this one, but it was funny to me the second time around, so I just had to share it

Mary Poppins was traveling home, but due to worsening weather,she decided to stop at a hotel for the night. She approached the receptionist and asked for a room for the night.
"Certainly madam," he replied courteously.
"Is the restaurant open still?" inquired Mary.
"Sorry, no," came the reply, "but room service is available all night.
"Would you care to select something from this menu?"
Mary smiled and took the menu and perused it. "Hmm, I would like cauliflower cheese please," said Mary.
"Certainly, madam," he replied.
"And can I have breakfast in bed?" asked Mary politely.
The receptionist nodded and smiled.
"In that case, I would love a couple of poached eggs, please," Mary mused.
After confirming the order, Mary signed in and went up to her room for the night.
The night passed uneventfully and the next morning Mary came down early to check out. The same guy was still on the Desk.
"Morning madam...sleep well?"
"Yes, thank you," Mary replied.
"Food to your liking?"
"Well, I have to say the cauliflower cheese was exceptional, I don't think I have had better. Shame about the eggs, though....they really weren't that nice at all," replied Mary truthfully.
"Oh...well, perhaps you could contribute these thoughts to our Guest Comments Book. We are always looking to improve our service and would value your opinion," said the Receptionist.
"OK, I will...thanks!" replied Mary....who checked out, then scribbled a comment into the book. Waving, she left to continue her journey.
Curious, the receptionist picked up the book to see the comment Mary had written.

"Supercauliflowercheesebuteggswerequiteatrocious!"


Goodnight all
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:44:38 PM
IP: 207.14.195.165

Xanathar: You're absolutely right, Jar Jar *is* a tool of the devil.
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:44:26 PM
IP: 106.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

*the Lone Gunmen's decrepit orange VW Bus speeds into the room and Adrienne falls out the back* Hei, Y'awll!
Jewel- Yer essay was *lovely*...*THAT'S* the reason I read nearly all Ryan Stout's Athenaverse fics so I could understand what the *** was going on after stumbling across your fics during my short stint as an (almost) Owenite Nun....... I *really* need to go back and read them over, that was a *long* time ago.....I think I stopped after Belinda's death.
*sigh* There's *nothing* like a nice dark fic.

Oh....does anyone know where the House of Stones and Sprites is? THanks!

*Adrienne is beamed up by the Klingons*
Au Revoirs!
Adrienne. :) - [beowulf2@pacbell.net]
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:42:01 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Traveler: Ya know what? A similar tatic kept me bully free in high school. Go figure.

SJ: Hey, I REALLY like the Superman/Batman series. Personally, though, I prefer the older ones before they changed Robin into a kid and never showed Nightwing again.

SJ: Nope, Universal Soldier 2 AND Universal Soldier 3. Neither of them had Van-Damme.
(Taken from Dish Entertainment Magazine)
Universal Soldier II: Brothers in Arms
A Government-generated superhuman reunites with his brother to battle a corrupt official and a vicious mercenary. A sequel to 1992's "Universal Soldier." Matt Battaglia, Chandra West (R, 1:33) SHOEX 8-27-99 2:25pm, 8:25pm 8-28-99 3:20am
Universal Soldier III: Unfinished Business
A planned $1 billion gold heist involves a yet more powerful and deadly superhuman fighting machine. Matt Battaglia, Chandra West (R, 1:35) SHOEX 8-26-99 3:00am

Robby: What type of scanner?

EARTHWORM JIM!!!!!!
Groovy!

Irina: 6am? Hell, thats when I am going to bed!

Wilek: <<I seem to remember an alternate-universe episode where I think Lex (!) Luthor ruled the world,and Superman was his enforcer or something. >>
YEAH! One of my faves! I just love those dark twists of fate and the world! (Or is that already aparent?)

Jaden: I know... BUT, the games that have good stories in thier manuals are usually VERY good. (Fallout 2, for example.)

Trenchcoat: Debating wether to make one (Black fabric) or to just buy that leather one I have been drooling over for the past 4 years at Gibralter. ($300)

3d Studio: Has anyone made any Gargoyles 3d models?

Jar-Jar: Last night I had a REALLY annoying song in my head (Brittney Spears, baby one more time) and I, for some odd reason, thought of Jar-Jar, then I saw the Brittney video (In my head) and Jar-Jar was wearing a school girl outfit dancing in the hall with Brittney.
Speaking of Brittany...

DARIA!: Anyone see wendsday's episode? And just when Trent was starting to like Daria...
BTW... I think Jane is *HOT*!

Traveler: How about "Nomad"?

FF7: GOt the game, but haven't played it yet.

<PRAISE//GIVER OF WILL>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:41:32 PM
IP: t1-11.visitus.net

Well I just got back from watching a cool movie. October Sky. It was awesome....anyway I just came back to check on things.

SOROW- Yeah. Allison was on top of her apartment building when she just HAPPENED to glance over at another building to see Ralph on it. TMNT, Gargoyles, and Beast WArs were the only shows I loved the most, even though I am hooked on everything.

M-i-c-k-e-y M-o-u-s-e! la da ta......C-r-a-z-e-y S-a-r-g-e!
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:27:54 PM
IP: spider-wc033.proxy.aol.com

Okay, three quickies and then I absolutely *have* to crash!!

Irina: My lord, what a magnificent analysis of tragedy! You certainly have your stuff together, and I'm sure that if ye wanted to you could give every writer in here (with the only possible exception being Jewel) a lesson or two on injecting just the right amount of tragedy in our works, just by reading ours. (I know I'm a great sucker for tragedy, I'd love to hear your opinions.)

"Watership Down": Read the novel before seeing the 'toon. The 'toon was nowhere *near* the quality of the novel, if ya ask me ... the novel was quite an experience for me.

Pistoff: Thank you for sympathizing. :)

Okay, four more ... Lexy: The money order is in the mail ... just so ya know, in order to make things easy on ya I made it out in Heather's name already.

**fixates for the rest of the night**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:22:39 PM
IP: modem20.i-is.com

Ah, Watership Down. Scared the living sh*t out of me when I was little, and I still can't watch it.

Hehe, but then I did the same thing with The Hobbit when I was about three. Hehe. This requires a little explanation, being afraid of Tolkien's work, of all people (NOTHING against Tolkien, he's still the father of modern fantasy, but on the horror scale, it's just not there). Anyway, I was watching the animated movie of it, and absolutely flipped when Gollum calls the One Ring "my precious," because that was my mother's nickname for me. I screamed bloody murder, and find Gollum terrifying to this day.
Welcome to another of my psychoses. (Jewel says "You should fit in here quite well...")
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:15:07 PM
IP: 106.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Zao! Ni hao bu hao? (Randome bit of Chinese that just popped into my head. It means "How are you?")

Jenna: I remember "Thundar the Barabarian" too...

Christine: Congrats on being an aunt!

Wilek: <g> Well, I was voted "most likely to kill her mother in a psychotic fit" one day in High School. Oh, well. I have to say one thing (and here's looking for the silver lining) if my mother hadn't been an uncaring, psychopathic, self-centered b, I wouldn't have used my imagination as much for an escape mechanism...and I doubt that I ever would have started writing.

Happy b-day all b-day people!

Watership Down: <happy sigh> I first saw that cartoon was I was in 2nd grade, then found the book in 5th, and it's still my favorite book. <makes face> But the sequel he put out stinks.

Favorite female cartoon characters:
1. Cheetara from "Thundercats"
2. Dot from "Animaniacs"
3. Esmerelda from "Hunchback"
4. Sirabi from "Lion King"
5. Miriam from "Prince of Egypt."
6. Elisa

And last but not least.
Paul: This has been coming for about two weeks. I put it off, and wasn't gonna say anything, because of the myriad of flame wars in various stages. But screw that. Just a warning, I have no intention on starting a flame war, and if the attempt to start one commences, I ignore it because i have no intenion on screeching like a hyperactive, whiny two year old throwing a temper tantrum. But, I had to say something, because this has been nagging me. And i would have said it in an e-mail, but, hell, the whole thing got brought up in a public forum, and it involves my writing and my characters (and no, I am not rehashing in any way, shape, or form the fiasco that was last week.)
First off, thanks for liking "Lightning Crashes" enough to talk about it for so long. I do appreciate it, and the compliments in there.

But to quote my ranting friend, "Tragedy seems to be a theme today." This will become evident in my post, because I have to clarify something.
When I first read what you wrote last week about my characters, my first thought was "God, he's romantisized my characters." WHen I read what you wrote about "Lightning Crashes," my first thought was, "Man, is *he* ever gonna be disappointed by the ending." Then I thought, "How on earth could he have missed the point of my writing so much?"

Paul, somehow, you have managed to completely miss my point. And the only reason I'm responding is that I feel that other people might read your interpretation and give it some credence--else I would have replied to it in an e-mail. But when it involves my writing and characters, well, I'm protective. And I feel like I should explain a few things about my writing. So I am... in this public forum.

My characters started out, period point blank, as tragic mulatta archetypes. The tragic mulatto/a, for those who don't know, is an American archetype for a character--usually female--who is of mixed race, and who is more or less destroyed because of that fact--because they belong no where because they are of no race--they are half, and because they are half, they can be accepted by neither. Usually, tragedy is a result of their trying to escape from one race into another, but other times because they have no place to belong. Y'all can argue the validity (or lack thereof) of the archetype if y'all want--I just thought it would be a cool archetype to use in the Gargoyles universe, because it is a case where the races are *drastically* different, with different cultures as well. I saw potential, and jumped. More than any other character (so far), Christine is a tragic mulatta. But in "The Child" she was also a *Christ* figure (<g> Now y'all know another reason I named her like I did). And as Apokalypsis draws to a close, she will return to her roots as tragic mulatta and destroying-Christ figure. She isn't a saviour, she's a destroyer. And I explain *that* because an understanding of the main character is necessary for an understanding of *everything* I've written since, and the world view within my writing.
My fanfics are not about life. In my fanfic realm, the Christ figure is a destroyer. That alone should say something. She redeems through sin. And death is a necessary part of redemption, but the redemption has to be won through blood.
You said my characters illustrate the struggle to find a place, reason, and a way to live. This is true. But you miss the most important aspect: their *failure* to do so. It is in this way that they are tragic. They struggle, they fail, the struggle, they succeed, they struggle, they fail again. The struggle is important; the failure through flaws (their own and others) the tragedy.
Now for my main point: you romantisized my characters in such as way as to make my attempts with them seem to utterly fail. When I read your take on Kamiko, Gabe, and Michaela's "mindsets," I actually cringed, because it was the opposite of who they were. None of my characters is perfect in any way (although, I grant, Hope comes the closest of any of them). They are all hopelessly and humanly flawed; far from the pre-Fall characters yoyu painted them to be. Yes, they are innocent. But my stories, at the root, are stories of the loss of innocence, and of the fall from their personal Edens...and the Fall of which I speak has nothign at all to do with actions but with the loss of *mental* innocence--and for Gabe, that's not coming for a while.
There is one other major theme in my stories. All actions have repercussions. It might take 20 years, but it all will happen. It is not Fate manipulating, it is the results of actions taken...or the actions *not* taken.

******WARNING MILD CHARACTER SPOILERS FOR GOETTERDAEMMERUNG********
The Fates are not manipulators. I had the idea for them way before I was introduced to Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" series, but reading "The Kindly Ones" did influence he direct that my incarnation of the Fates took--although I still say they are wholly mine. The Fates fulfil a role. They are not malevolent beings. They are no more malevolent than the Death Gods. They have no designs on Avalon--Avalon is nothing to them and never was. Hecate was their sister in that she was a trinity--in the same way, there Weird Sisters are the Fates' "sisters." They were never in cahoots in any way.
In the same way, Thoth can't do anything. He is the God of Wisdom, the Scribe of the Gods, and, in my incarnation, he is the Watcher. He watches. It is what he does, it is his function. He *can not* act. He can only watch, and can only act when what is transcribed from the Fate's Tapestry says he must. That is Thoth's tragedy. His hands are tied. the Fates' hands are tied. They do not act of their own volition, any more than the Death Gods do.
"Apokalypsis" is exactly what it is entitled. It is a Lifting of the Veil. It is the light being shed, clarity being given. This is the major theme of the series. And it is also the Apocalypse. It is the end, it is the final redemption.
Christine, my destroyer, is the Christ figure of my dark little corner of fanfic. I write in a world where she, the one who destroys, is the only one who can redeem, and can only do so by sin.
******END******

Sorry to take up so long, guys. :)
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:10:28 PM
IP: 106.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Coyote: That customer you mentioned...ACK! I've had quite a few like that one, myself. We've got this policy about checks--in addition to the address and phone number and stuff, it also has to have a work phone number (I don't know why, that's just one of the requirements of the outfit that processes our checks). People are always getting pissed about it, which is understandable, but what they don't seem to realize is that the drivers had nothing to do with it. We don't make policy, we just get nailed to the cross because of it. The customers always blame us. Anyway, this one guy argued and got all pissy, and told me that it's illegal to ask for a work phone number (it isn't, btw), and just kept arguing, so I finally shrugged and walked away with the pizzas. He changed his mind, but wouldn't stop bitching. I tried to explain the policy again, and he yelled at me, telling me to stop "giving me lip" or he'd call my boss and complain. I whipped out my cellphone and said, "Go ahead, call her. She'll tell you the same thing I just told you." He handed me the check and I gave him the pizzas, and then walked away. His parting shot was something about not needing to take any crap from me. GRRRRR!! Man, I just wanted to really do a number on him. I wanted to connect his nuts to my car battery.

And then there was the guy who made the mistake of throwing the pizzas at me when I asked for the work number...but I'll save that one for later. ;)

Glad the service desk girl got even with your bitch customer, though. That was a nice touch. :)

Wilek: <Why did I just envision a chorus line of beaked females. :P> Heh heh...you should see what *I'm* envisioning... tee hee hee...

Xanathar: (re: Raiders Gang vs. Crips) Oh yeah, it was glorious! As Duke Nukem would say, "Heh heh heh, what a mess!"

Delphi: Sinko de Mayo...ROTFL

DarkAngel: Right on!! "Have you ever tried reading the Bill of Rights to a cop?" --Jello Biafra :P Hmm...what's the message you're gonna put on your trenchcoat? Or am I better off not knowing? ;) And I do the same thing when I get home from work--I shed the work clothes and put on the "comfy" jeans and T-shirt. I just wish I could work in a place that would let me wear my Vandals "Puking Guy" shirt... ;P

Happy birthday, Todd!

Jenna: Thundar the Barbarian!! Oh, yeah, I remember that one! Had some interesting animation, creatures, etc, and very good stories. But I had a few problems with the concept, even when I was 8 or 9 or whatever, when I watched it. Particularly the opening credits. Even at that young age, I understood that a comet strong enough to split the moon in half just by the force of its gravity well as it passes by, it would do a helluva lot more damage to Earth than we saw on the show. I've always been a stickler for scientific accuracy, even when I was that young. It was a fun show, once I got past that opening sequence...but it took a *lot* of effort to get past that. But I enjoyed it anyway. :) And interesting points about the depiction of fatherhood female characters in Gargs as apposed to other shows. I agree.

Christine: Your dad was in WWW?? Cool! :D

Ed: Good points about PC and obligatory characters. It would be nice if other shows had characters who actually needed to be there, rather than thrown in because the writers thought they *had* to be there to please every group/clique/whatever.
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:46:16 PM
IP: wire-12.koalas.com

Irina>>nope, "delphi" is first some syllables(sp?)from one of my favorite things, which happens to also be my favorite color,(this represents part of who I am) and the who I want to be is in reality a collection of ideas and images which I picture in my mind. It is this which I strive to become.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:17:36 PM
IP: 207.14.200.93

Sorry I haven't been in here a while... what with packing, the return of my best friend from three months in India (and now she's married and gonna move to VA! Nooo! *sob*), et cetera, I haven't had as much of a chance to post. Of course, I'm off work, so I'm back on a dialup.

Jenna> <<Has anyone noticed that the going trend in shows, (not all but most) is that they can be divided into one of three catagories: strong women, emasculated men; strong men, weak women; everyone is emasculated, and fairly stupid/shallow (ie Friends).>> Yeah, although a few have started out that way and grown quite a bit... I remember when Stargate: SG-1 began, and groaned when Sam Carter was starting to be treated like the token female or a love interest for O'Neill. (The only good thing about that "Emancipation" episode was the Oprah line.) Second season, though, that started to change - most notably with "In the Line of Duty." Her role in that could have been given to any of the SG team members; for once, she wasn't placed in a role you would assign to a female out of habit. The writers are still playing around with the possibility of a relationship with Col. O'Neill (please, no. I'd only accept it if they showed interest in each other in the very last scene of the very last ep of the series), but they've gotten better at portraying her character. Hey, she is the only regular character who's earned a promotion since the series began...

ironwolf> Yeah, I've got to agree about the male characters on BtVS - "The Zeppo" tried to fix it in Xander's case, but failed. As for the rest of 'em: Oz doesn't have a great deal to do mainly because his character's so blase, Wesley was a wimp, Angel spent too much time moping (with good reason, I guess, but he's leaving), Xander is frequently the butt of jokes, Spike showed up to moan that Dru had left him, which was funny, but still. Which leaves Giles. Ehhh... I would have liked to see a little more of Ripper this season aside from the comic version in "Band Candy," but I couldn't blame him for skewering the Mayor like that in "Graduation Day, part 1."

Darn it, the storm's hit Bel Air! I'll finish this post later... Happy Birthday, Todd!!
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:01:21 PM
IP: pm3-3-ppp16.iximd.com

Batman...
He was one of the few DC-type (DC, in this case) superheroes I really liked. The Dark Knight was a very compelling image.
My favorite tellings of his story are the original very dark portrayals of the character, and Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Also, gotta love KINGDOM COME, though that was a better Superman story than it was a Batman story, I thought (and one of the few stories in which I likek Superman).
As for BATMAN BEYOND, I gotta say, I'm a little wary of it.
As I am an original series Trekkie, so I am a fan of the original Batman.
To reveal another of my fannish obsessions...
There can be only one!

Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 09:55:32 PM
IP: 106.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

TODD - I have to believe that they brought back HISTERIA to fill up the educational programming requirement. If it has any popularity at all, it would just be a real sad and frightening comment on today's society.

And yes, when I mentioned The Demon, I was talking about Etrigan. He's already shown up in the BATMAN BEYOND comic book. It would be interesting to see the reaction of Jason and Bruce to each other. The cartoon continuity has them on very friendly terms and I wonder how the old, close to death Bruce would react to a still young Jason.

(And I do hope they explain why Bruce didn't just go out and find a Lazarus Pit the moment he started to show signs of age. I understand that he is a mortal character, but he is also a very human character under every wall he puts up. After everything, there must be some fear of death. And if not a fear of death, then a fear of leaving everything unresolved, or leaving his war unfinished and in the hands of some undriven, unexperienced youngster. If this doesn't come up when Ras Al Gul shows up, I'll be very disappointed.

Actually I'm already a little disappointed since I could never believe that Bruce would ever give up on his war even when his body starts to fail him. They did give good reasons in the first BB episode but still, it just doesn't sit right with me. If all else failed, he would have found a way to do something, not just give up and widthdraw from everything. In KINGDOM COME when he got old, and his body started to fail him, and he just couldn't do the job anymore, he set himself up a command center in the Batcave and built dozens of robots to partol in his place. That seems like something Batman would do, not just simply give up.)


TRAVELER? - On the name search, I'd pick Wanderer if I were you. It has a stronger feeling than any of the other names you suggested.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, August 20, 1999 09:39:50 PM
IP: 37.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Quick question for Paul - btw, you mention the "*very* manipulative creature." Who do you think is manipulating whom there?

Delphi - are you referring to the oracle? I personally would never in a million years want to know the future. *shudder* What a horrible fate...
I would say "traveler" is someone worth aspiring to. Someone who undertakes a quest bravely, knowing the dangers, with a goal in mind. How many of us truly know our destinations?

Btw, sorry for so many posts.
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:13:53 PM
IP: 209.arlington-01.va.dial-access.att.net

Sorry, forgot a couple quotes I wanted to include.

One is about relationships, and people making the best of bad situations. The other is about humanity. Enjoy.

"When we hold each other, in the darkness, it doesn't make the darkness go away. The bad things are still out there. The nightmares are still walking. When we hold each other, we feel -- not safe, but better. 'It's all right,' we whisper. 'I'm here. I Love you.' And we lie, 'I'll never leave you.' For just a moment or two the darkness doesn't seem so bad. When we hold each other."
-Neil Gaiman, Hellblazer #27

"We look at our race, this parade of men and women, and the unbelieveable harm and cruelty they do. And we sigh, and we say, 'Perhaps our time is past, let the sharks or the cockroaches take over.' And then, without knowing why, without even thinking of it, the worst among us does the great thing, the noble deed, that spark of impossible human godliness. And we say 'Perhaps the human race is entitled to a litlle more sufferance. Let them keep trying to reach the dream.'"
-Harlan Ellison, "City on The Edge Of Forever," original script (Captain Kirk speaks this line in that script, btw)

Just thought those two quotes would round out my points nicely.
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:08:23 PM
IP: 209.arlington-01.va.dial-access.att.net

Good afternoon everyone,
HIPHIPHOOORAY!!!!!!it's FRIDAY. AND I HAVE THE WEEKEND OFF YAHOOOO****
sorry about the yelling, but I needed to do that

traveler<new names>>> Here's a thought, if traveler is what you have been(past tense) how about a name that reflects who you want to BECOME, perhaps right now you feel out of place, and you are still growing and changing, learning the person that you will become....SO who do you want to be, want do you want the world to think of you? Perhaps knowing this first will help you chose your name.

My name (Delphi)is not just part of what I am it represents who I want to become.

Delphi - [c,iller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:05:41 PM
IP: 207.14.195.69

We had extra time in Business Computers today and I spent half an hour typing a list of all the regular TGS CR members. Damn! Do you know that there are more than 60 of us???!!!

Spacebabie> I have The Last Unicorn on tape. My only problem is that the girl can't sing worth crap ;)

Welcome Irina and all other newbies!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Todd! HUGZ and KISSES!

Sarge> My first favorite cartoon was TMNT too!!! I use to wake up two hours before school just so I could watch it every morning. And Raph has always been my favorite. So your Allison character is Raph's girlfriend? Awesome (coincidence ? :) Is she a mutant or human?
SOROW
Friday, August 20, 1999 07:55:43 PM
IP: usr11-dialup79.mix1.irving.cw.net

ironwolf: Broken Halo? Who wrote it, who published it? Don't leave me hanging here, the title has me intrigued...

Aaron: Confiscate what remaining sanity? I have none.

Thanks to everyone who welcomed me here.

Now for the longest response of this post.

****LONG QUASI-RANT AHEAD****

Okay, before I actually start ranting, let me explain something, so this won't seem completely out of the blue.
Tragedy is a subject and a genre about which I feel very, *very* deeply. It is a form of literature I have studied because I feel it is more meaningful than just about any other, and because I feel it may be the most universal. I believe that reading great tragedy leads to a better understanding of oneself and of what it means to be human. Being told I do not understand tragedy is a great insult to me, and one I feel absolutely unable to overlook. If my quasi-rant offends anyone, I apologize in advance, but Jewel was on the phone with me, and will testify as to the mildness of the rant below relative to what I was actually saying into the phone. Now, on to the rant.

Paul Allen Nathans - So, you think I don't understand tragedy, do you?
First, let me ask a question of you, just a brief one, feel free not to answer:
Have you read any of the following (all of which I read in seventh grade, btw, many of them since in the original Latin and Greek):
by Euripides - Medea, Hecabe, Electra, Heracles, Ion, Trojan Women, Helen of Troy, or The Bacchae?
by Aeschylus - the Oresteian Trilogy, Prometheus Bound (my favorite, personally), The Supplicants, The Seven Against Thebes, or The Persians?
by Sophocles - Oedipus Rex, Antigone, Oedipus at Colonus?
Any tragedies by Seneca?
These are the works which, 2000 years ago, formed the foundations of the genre we know today as tragedy. These are the works, not FINAL FANTASY of any number, which will give an understanding of tragedy, and of human emotion. The better games of FINAL FANTASY may enhance that understanding, and will certainly provide an emotional experience if one truly understands what one is seeing.
Of course I understood the Nibelheim flashback in FF7. And just so you know, I'm well into the second CD. For future reference, though, you might want to mark spoilers for people who *haven't* played that far.
And about Sephiroth. Yes, he is a tragic character. As opposed to being a tragic hero, he is a tragic villain. One thing about those two archetypes which his character highlights very vividly, is the fact that the main difference between a tragic hero and a tragic villain, is that a tragic hero manages to break free of the tragic flaw, whereas the villain does not. In other words, the difference between the hero and villain is the simple fact that the hero wins. And part of the whole tragedy which surrounds Sephiroth (which, btw, you didn't even begin to touch on, but which I'd rather not go into here, for two reasons: one, it would take too much space, I could go on for hours; and two, I don't want to spoil some of the pieces of his heritage, etc., which are part of what make the game so good), is that it infuses every aspect of his life, and his character. His situation was hopeless from the start. Even though I know what he has done to that planet, I can't hate him. I pity him too much. Hojo, now him, I can hate, and do, for obvious reasons.
FF7 has some of the most profoundly sad images I have ever seen, embedded in the characters, especially that of Sephiroth.
About FF-Tactics. It's a fun little game, it really is. However, there's a very good reason it's called "Tactics." It's a fighting game, that's what it's for. If you go to a computer gaming store, or talk to an expert, which, btw, I don't pretend to be in the least, he or she will refer to Tactics as a fighting game, and FF7, or most of the others, as a Role-Playing Game. This makes sense, considering what the main point of each is. Let me contrast them for a moment.
Tactics: You fight, as one might guess from the term "fighting game."
FF7: You play a role. You witness a story almost as if it is happening around you, with a degree of realism and personal impact which is difficult to achieve in any other medium.
This is nothing against fighting games. They're a perfectly valid form of entertainment, though I prefer role-playing. However, you speak of Tactics in terms of story, and of tragedy. That's not the point of Tactics. That is very much the point of FF7.
And there really is so much more to FF7 than you seem to notice (though, I'll give benefit of the doubt here, you may just be protecting spoilers or have not played that far). Sephiroth is not the only tragic character in the game, most of them are. Cloud himself is a tragic hero. Barret, and Red XIII (aka Nanaki) too, are tragic characters in their own way, though it's not as important to those characters as it is to Cloud and Sephiroth.
What a tragedy was always meant to be, according to Aristotle, was a moving story which induced pity and fear. Also, a great tragedy is usually considered to be one which makes you prouder to be human. FF7 takes a very roundabout route to do this (in fact it doesn't come anywhere close until the end - have you played that far? I'd argue some more about Sephiroth, but I don't want to spoil anything for you either), but it's a decent example. And that's what FF7 was gearing up for the whole time. That's what the Final Fantasy series is about, btw, according to the series' creator. This is the reason it's called Final Fantasy, in fact. Each one is the story of the struggle for the life of a world, and for the life of the human race. In each one, at various points, whatever veneer of civilization and culture any character has is peeled away, revealing the true human impulses underneath. And also, each game posits the uplifting idea that the human race is really worth fighting for. And posits it better than most other examples of tragedy in existence.
Another facet of tragedy. Tragic stories are about people. Not about all-powerful forces. They usually begin with powerful forces opposing one another, but not always. And what's more, these are stories about people trying desperately to make the best of bad situations, relying on pure human instincts and motivations to see them through. And the great irony of the whole thing, is that human instinct and motivation, and human fallibility, is almost ivariably what brought about the situations. Take Sephiroth's as an example. In case people haven't read your post or played that far, I'll simply say you did a good outline of the actual events in Nibelheim, if anyone wants to see it. I will say that he is a brilliant example of another facet of the tragic character, hero or villain. For the hero side, my main example is Oedipus; for the villain, I cite Creon, from the play "Antigone." Often, the tragic character will be faced with the possibility of finding out something about him/herself which he/she *really* doesn't want to know. They have an opportunity to turn back, and they don't. Creon entered the cave where his son had killed himself, even though he was warned against it. Oedipus pursued the truth about his identity, even though he was warned against it. Sephiroth was not warned, but he did go to the library and research extensively to find out his own truth, knowing to some extent what he would find.
A question for you, truly just of curiosity: have you read Neil Gaiman's Sandman series? I'd be interested to hear your interpretation of that one, a fantastic example of tragedy, btw.
Speaking of interpretation, on a completely different topic, I'm still trying to get my mind around your intperpretations of Jewel's fanfics. I just don't get it. The interpretations, I mean.
Btw, as an aside, I'm Not going to argue this here. I refuse to bring Jewel into Another flame war (yes, I know about the previous one). As a friend of mine, she deserves better.
****END LONG QUASI-RANT****

Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 07:55:06 PM
IP: 209.arlington-01.va.dial-access.att.net

Ok where to start?

WARNING LABELS hmmm I remember renting a game called Cavemen..wich was like the game Lemmings,guide the cavemen through tricky situations.

The manule that came with the game was funny,it gave a funny summary of human history(better than HisteriaBTW) it also talked about what the cavemen wore what they ate and yadda yadda yadda. here where some of the warnings

Knives dont kill cavemen, Cavemen kill cavemn for more information contact the yadda yadda ydda

about the cartridge:
Submergin objects in acid can destroy them do not submerg the game cartridge in acid.

Dont put the cartridge in the microwave

don't eat the catridge
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Dungeons and Dragons and Thundar

boy I remeber them, I always liked Uni of course I love unicorns and horeses.

to me Thundar was a predesessor to He-man, I loved both Heman and Shera. You can still see those old Thundar eps on CN

back to unicorns one of the best animated movies IMHO is The Last Unicorn and I also read the book,mand I think that movie was what got me hooked on My Little Ponies, i enjoyed them more that Cabbage Patch Kids and Barbie. I have all the original six, Minty,Blossom,Butterscotch,Hazel,Cotton Candy, and BlueBelle.

Back to cartoons D&D sigh those were the days when they only had the big three and back then they had Saturday Cartoons on their network now its just Fox and WB
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Friday, August 20, 1999 07:25:33 PM
IP: ts003d19.orl-fl.concentric.net

Okay, I looked in a thesaurus [as adrianne had said , sorry if I spelled your name wrong, I'm in a hurry] .Here's what I found.In two catagories, the first ones are the synonims that i've heard of the second is words that I've never heard of.

traveler-wayfarer , voyager, explorer, adventurer, wanderer, trekker,gypsey,nightwalker,sleepwalker[not as wierd as the others but still, a little out of place].

what?words that I've never heard of or never expected to mean the same thing.
Traveler-itinerant, peregrinator,bird of passage, gadabout,peripatetic,somnabulist,booly,noctombulist[night traveler?],zingano,zingaro,beach comber,palmer,rover,alpine club[?],and swagsman. Anyone ever hear of these words and think traveler.

The ones that I am considering are night walker,wanderer,and night gypsey. If you respond to this please tell me which one you would pick.bye now , be back later.I be back reborn and with bjork quote that fit situation.

Traveler[original]- I forgot to say this earlier but you said I write in a brownish color. It says gold . but don't worry , I'll be reborn with a new color too.
traveler? - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Friday, August 20, 1999 07:01:00 PM
IP: proxy-513.public.rwc.webtv.net

GREG - Madoc looks like Venger, eh? Truth to tell, I've sometimes thought that myself. It's probably the combination of the cape and the blue skin. (Actually, I might have had Venger at the back of my head when I came up with Madoc's appearance for TGS. After all, they're the same variety of villain; a superhuman Lord of Darkness).

There were a few weaknesses that I will admit the D&D cartoon did have. One was that the objective of the characters was to get home, so they always had to fail (even one of the production team members has since admitted that this was a big mistake). Another was that the world portrayed in the series was overly fantastic, with things like four suns in the sky (I can't buy the concept of Earth-like life forms surviving on a planet with four suns) and rain that lasts for three years (the rain that caused Noah's Flood only lasted 40 days!) A third was that whenever Venger got his hands on the magical McGuffins from the kids that he needed to take over the world, he never seemed to do anything with them, but just locked them up somewhere in his castle. The Archmage was a bit on the slow side, but even he didn't just stick the Grimorum, Eye, and Gate away somewhere and save them for later; he went off to Avalon and actually did things with them.

AIRWALKER - I also saw that "Histeria" promo announcing new episodes for the coming fall. I suppose that WB decided that they couldn't cancel it because they still needed educational programming, although I think that "Histeria" bombed on that accord; it spent more time dealing with the misadventures of a dim-witted overweight baby that is probably the least funny character WB animation produced since the Hip Hippoes on "Animaniacs" than on proper history.

Who is the Demon that you mention, by the way? Etrigan? He seems the most likely candidate. (Interestingly enough, according to what I've read, in the original DC Comics, Etrigan was at one point portrayed as being Merlin's half-brother, they sharing the same demonic father - who wasn't Madoc in DC, of course - frankly, I think that the Merlin of TGS is Madoc's only offspring).

Got to agree with you on the episode about Batgirl getting "killed" was a good one - I particularly liked the bit where Bruce turns to the portrait of his parents just before fleeing to the Batcave and says to it, "I'm sorry" - and they even avoided the revelation at the end that it was all a dream being too much of a cop-out by making the nightmare being fueled by Barbara's fears about her father not knowing that she's Batgirl, and having her have to face that fear when she wakes up and defeat it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, August 20, 1999 06:52:13 PM
IP: 208-19-232-136.dialup-stl.primary.net

**enters the room singing along to his new CD, switching out the candles ...**

"Why did our mothers start this war?/What the **** are they fighting for?/When did this song become a marathooon?"

**laughs hysterically, then composes self**

Sorry. I didn't catch that line when I saw the movie ... now that I can hear it fairly clearly it's hilarious!!

Adrienne: No need for self-violence, it's easy to miss. :)
I like your take on the Batman/Superman situation (BTW, Lex's bodyguard is Mercy, by far one of the kewlest henchmen ... she's Superman's answer to Harley Quinn). I wonder, have ye seen the comic that introduces Harley Quinn to the regular Batman continuity? Two words: instant classic. 'Tis magnificent work Mr. Dini has done with the story ...

**SPOILERS AHEAD!!**

... basically a reiteration of Harley's origins that he laid out in "Mad Love," with the added element of Poison Ivy giving her limited powers with a concoction to make her immune to all the nasty crap in Ivy's lab ('twas a side effect.). Of course, Harley's kept her unique speech patterns (there actually *is* a part in the book where she goes "sneak, sneak, sneak!" :) and her misplaced fanatical love for everybody's favorite pasty-white faced psychopath.
**END SPOILERS FOR "BATMAN: HARLEY QUINN"**

Irina: ALL RIGHT!! It's another Bryn Mawr ... well ... **ahem** Welcome to our warm and cuddly asylum. :)

My question from yesterday: I'll tell ya what would happen to me, at least ... if I drove "Now and Forever" through Los Angeles with that situation, more than likely ye'd see a replay of the Rodney King video (considering that I'm a member of *la raza,* you know for sure that I'm gonna be a target!!).

Delphi: **doubles over in pain from the joke of the morning**

Jenna: I remember Thundar. Used to watch it religiously when I was a wee young'un (about 4 or 5). Now, though, after all the 'toons that have come and gone, that show just makes me cringe, despite its comics cred (the characters were designed by Jack Kirby).

**raises eyebrow** The last track on the "South Park" soundtrack is a rendition of O Canada sung by two members of Rush and Terrence and Phillip. Hmm.

Aaron: Glad ye asked. Since you've seen the OVA ...
Akiko is the president of Mishima Heavy Industries ... she's also Ryunosuke's mother. Her main gig is that she's trying to get Ryunosuke back from his father (who ran away with him and his prototype android which eventually became Nuku Nuku), usually sending her witless henchgirls Kyouko and Arisa after him. And most of the time Kyouko and Arisa wind up getting their @$$es handed to 'em by Nuku Nuku.
Akiko was on my list because ... well, quite frankly, she's totally and completely nuts. :)

Jenna again: Dang, if I'd known I coulda included movies, I would've thrown in Taarna (from Heavy Metal), Mulan, Jane (from Tarzan, "flying-wild-man-in-a-loincloth" line be damned), Andrea Beaumont/Phantasm and Tzipporah (from "Prince of Egypt") on my list and made it an even 20! :)

The divide between the sexes: Heh ... a pet subject of mine. :)
I for one am a staunch champion of placing female characters into traditionally male roles, while attempting to keep a handle on their femininity in the situation. Side effect from growing up with a divorced 20-year Navy mom, I suppose, but I've always been one to believe that any woman can do what any man can do, and maybe even better. Which is probably why in the three most recent things I've written, women/female characters have been in roles traditionally taken by male characters. (Rosanna as leader of the Clan, a role that (other than Demona) we've not seen a lot of gargesses in; my cybercomic had an entire team of female police detectives; and in my screenplay, half of the fighter squadron is female, including the squadron commander.)

DarkAngel: Hmm, I've gotta check that site myself ... :)

**sits back down on the floor, back on his hands, sighing, looking up and fixating on the candle's flame ... only momentarily, though**

Oh, almost forgot ... went today and got another item for "Now and Forever" ... a front license plate. Putting the GargoyleDM font to good use, I now am the proud owner of a blue license plate with a pink Cadillac crest on it ... and across the crest, in the Garg font, in gold: "Cadillac; Now and Forever." Figured it'd be a good match with the back plate ... whenever I get it (my temp sticker expires October 2nd.).

**now fixates**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, August 20, 1999 06:51:45 PM
IP: modem20.i-is.com

Tailchaser's Song>I remember having a conversation about a month ago speculating why this had never been picked up as an animated property. It's a beautiful story, and it's got all the elements that make it pitchable: hero, cute female lead, cute little sidekick, comic relief, scary henchmen, and a final monster that'll give little kids nightmares for *years*.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, August 20, 1999 05:37:24 PM
IP: ppp-238.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

"They say the trailer was better than the movie... what if there was no movie?"

Found this really funny site, www.trailervision.com. Only trailers of non-existent movies that are parodies of Hollywood movies. Latest is The Jar Jar Binks Project. I unfortunatly have no sound on my office's computer and no broadband internet access at home, so I can't fully appreciate the site. I get the video though, so I know that Jar Jar Binks Project is a parody of Heather's Camera Confession scene (I'm so scared!) with Jar Jar in it (mesa scared).

They also have Bullies, Evil Jocks 2, Y2K, and a couple more that probably aren't for a younger audience.
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Friday, August 20, 1999 04:56:02 PM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca

*waltzes in singing Brian Setzer Orchestra songs...*
Hei, y'awll!

traveler?- (Nae the original) Hmmmm...the youngest one here? I *jes* turned 15, so mebbe by a bit....*shrugs* Doesnae matter. and- Aaaaack! Dinna leave! THat would really be awful! The real Traveler prolly thought you were a Troll- when they start using people's names, it's *really* annoying..... but it was just a misunderstanding, no reason to flip out.... We don't hate you for it. I've gone through those depressed bits and they are awful. *grinz* Oh- "traveler" has heaps of synonyms. Check thy thesaurus!

BATMAN/SUPERMAN- Hmm. Rather saddening- but I don't really expect Batman to die- it's been a show/comic for- what? 40 years now? BAtman: the Animated had been dead for some time before the WB took it in..... Actually? I *really* don't like the new Batman very much. The animation style is sorta sloppy, and the charactrs are *much* more two-dimensional than in the original. In the old series, you got a profound ense that these characters had *serious* issues, whereas now they're more just the Bad Guys. And I guess the fucked-uppedness of the Villians was my fave part of Batman- Joker's a psycopath, Two-face has MPS as well as anger-management issues and a plethora of other sucess-realted stuffs, ClayFace- alright, he and Mr. Freeze are *classic* examples of why I like the Villians more than the Bat. These people have been screwed over by Fate, and when they try to reclaim their lives, Bats destroys them because their means were illegal. Take ClayFace's murder. Yes, MURDER. Bats had NO REASONABLE CAUSE to shut off that machine other than his own somewhat twisted sense of justice and vengeance- that was OVERKILL. Who does he think he is, anyways, the LAPD?
And Harley. Oh, Harley. She's my fave character, just because she's so colossaly screwed up. Anyone here listen to Loveline? Well, she could be a poster child for it. I'm guessing something majorly unkosher happened to her as a young kid.....and she displays classic co-dependent behavior. Her relationship with Joker is *definitely* abusive, I'm guessing both physically and sexually.
And in the WB's take on BAtman, she's just portrayed as a ditz.

Alright, not all the villians are screwed up. Catwoman, Ivy- YAAAAY!

SUperman...is....well.....blah. I can't say I'm too sorry to see it go. The ending sounds cool, but.....h'rm. The problem with Supes is that they made him invincible. So they started throwing thigs in hither and thither- Magic, The PHantom Zone, that evil apocalyptic guy......there weren't very many emotional eps (except the Supes-and-Lex-rule-the-world-one...so *sad* *snif*). Oh- Chastity? What was her name? Lex's bodygaurd? HEavens, she rocked.
Oh, dear, that was a rather long rant. :P

(singing) *I recaalll, Central Park in fall, how you tore your dress, what a mess, I confess...*

*A red Ferrari GT California roars into the comment room, brakes screaming in protest. The two men driving it are dressed in mechanic's jumpsuits and look as if they have left their sanity at the garage. Adrienne jumps into the back seat, and waves. With much screeching of tires, the Ferrari speeds off.*
Au Revoirs!

Adrienne. :) - [beowulf2@pacbell.net]
Friday, August 20, 1999 04:37:16 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Jenna: Nice topic.

The trouble is, if female characters aren’t included in the majority of shows that aren’t overtly girl-powery by nature and completely capable, the shows tend to be tarnished as sexist. If they do, they’re tarnished as PC.

Me, I hate PC; I think it cripples creativity and flattens characters. Making women characters the mirror of their male counterparts for equality doesn’t always work because they're different (or should be).

Most PC takes on characters are pretty flat, or at least contrived. Trouble is, as one of my friends said to me recently, PC is just another form of stereotype.

I can’t stand obligatory characters. Hate the damsel in distress. Hate the bland girl-power heroes with little depth. Hate the obvious male superheroes. Hate the spotty nerd with glasses. Hate the divorced single-mother who goes through hell in a movie but is ultimately remarried.

Gargoyles, thankfully, had none of these – at least, they weren’t dealt as such. Angela was a strong character without the whole ‘oh, she’s female’ bit being played on more than is realistic. Fox is a brilliant character from this p.o.v. IMHO – she is a strong character, but she’s completely realistic, has flaws and strengths, has emotions that although they aren’t PC (like her motherly instincts), don’t detract from her character… it just worked. The blokes worked too, and as Jenna said the fathers are shown to be good ones on the whole. TGS crossed the line a bit far IMO with BLOOD MOON where the impression I got was that they did the story with the feminine cast members because they were female, not because of the people involved. Which didn’t work awfully well anyway, because half the Gargoyles cast is a pretty big number to squeeze into an episode.

I guess the thing is, Gargoyles never went for making icon characters and thus didn’t need an icon female lead to match the male icon.

For those shows that do go into such stereotyping, they play down the flaws of the side to which they seem biased far too much. The characters – IMO – should have flaws as noticeable as their positive traits.

An interesting example that fans of Sonic the Hedgehog might recognise, is one that appeared in the UK Sonic comic over here (which I collect). The scenario was that Sonic had to rescue some citizens that had been imprisoned unlawfully by mad dictator Robotnik as he tried to crush the feelings of unrest in the Metropolis City. A plasma monster, accompanied by an inconspicuous scientist who kept well out of the limelight attacked Sonic who was with fellow Freedom Fighters Amy and Johnny. The egotistical Sonic couldn’t defeat the Plasma monster, but Amy kept him fighting when he began to lose hope by persuading him that ‘he looked worried that time’, while she stopped the scientist at his controls. When the monster was turned off and disappeared, she persuaded Sonic that he’d won with his most recent attack and fed his ego (“You’re so brave, Sonic!” etc. and all this twaddle; Sonic lectured her in return, “you see Amy? You should never give up!”) in front of the people that had been imprisoned. Johnny had seen it all and realised that Amy was the real victor, but Amy explained that Sonic was the hero of the resistance, and an inspiration to the people – it was important that the people thought that it was him that saved the day. I think that’s a much more worthwhile female character (with realistic characterisations) than if Amy had run off with the praise and been your average smart-alec heroine.
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Friday, August 20, 1999 04:25:30 PM
IP: p49-coot-gui.tch.virgin.net

Delphi (and anybody else who cares)> I've been lurking lately. I haven't had anything interesting to say. Episode 3 is about 2/3 done. It's a depressing story, and depressing stories always take me a long time. It's hard to have an ending that leaves the protagonist in bad shape, but is still satisfying.
David G - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, August 20, 1999 04:13:18 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Jenna you will like the sequel while not as good as the first it is still a good read. Plauge dogs was down right depressing though. you know the garg universe was strong in family values. all the characters have strong family ties and the clans is set up like a family grandfather father and kids.

Traveler searching for a name> how about Wanderer basically means the same thing and sounds cool

I love slow days at work

this is my last post till sat. hopefully my home system will be up by tonight.
ironwolf
Friday, August 20, 1999 03:39:43 PM
IP: host-216-78-83-37.cha.bellsouth.net

Everyone-Okay, I hope that everyone reads this,I am going to try to set the story straight on who I am. Be prepared for alot of things to be repeated.

Why I am here -I am a huge gargoyle fan [of course] , But at the time I had discovered it [94] to about'99 I had absolutly no internet experience. I was an internet virgin living in Lompoc California with only one friend who just happened to be the only gargoyles fan that I have ever known in real life that was not related to me.I moved to Indiana in March and have since not made contact with her. She said that she goes on garg-websites often.Anyone know or can find a Heather Strand ?Anyway when I moved here I had no friends and still no contact with a computer.I eventually made friends but kept it secret that I was actually afraid , no , terrified of them. They were like these Cristian punks [I swear to God ] and they were really nice , but they reminded me of this group of kids in CA that hated me so much[I still don't know why]that they actually threw rocks at me . Anyway now that I have a computer[webtv] I can find others that are sorta like me. Now wasn't that a sappy story.I havn't even told my mom that story.

Traveler name- When I chose this name I was thnking about my life and the one word that describes me. Then I thought about all of the times that I had to change schools [17] and how many times I had to move period [20] and then I thuoght of this short story that I'm working on which is entitled "Traveler". So the name just came to me and it seemed to fit.
Traveler-I'm so sorry for my making another mistake. It was actually a week before I even learned that there was a traveler here already. I wouldn't want to start another flame war, or try to put my two cents in one again , it is unnessesary to do so.I will make it right. but I need some help , I felt very strongly about that name and used it in everything I have participated in [including my author name] so now to make everything right again I need some help in coming up with a name that Helps sum up who I am like traveler did.And if I don't come up with a name by tomorrow this same time I just simply won't come back.And I hope it dosen't come to that.Also traveler, please don't accuse me any more. I have not or will never try to be an imposter. You made me sound like a convicted felon. It was not intentional.

Misc.- I am usually a very quiet person[or so I am told, by everyone] . Picture this, A 6-foot-1-inch 14 year old with his gut sticking out. This boy is as hairy as Robbin Williams from the waist down and his voice is as low as his 11 year old brothers. It seems as thought parts of his body have matured a whole lot faster that others . A freak of nature am I [or so I have been told, by everyone] . And if you ever saw me you would think that I was trying to hide in a corner or shrivel up . But here I am not afraid , because none of you can see me , but now that I have described myself so vividly cyber-rocks will be thrown. Oh,well, there are many other comment rooms to go to.

Bjork-Yes I am a huge fan. I have been listening to her music ever since I was 9 [now that I think about it that wasn't that long ago] . I won't say much more than that , exept if you want to know who the hell I'm talking about click on my name or go to www.bjork.co.uk/bjork . thats all.

Oh, and if any of you have any suggestions for names that you think would fit my personality [what personality Jeremy] please tell me. It took me an hour to come up with traveler. thanx.
Fanfics-I'm still figuring this out , webt.v. dosen't offer much , but if any of you are interested[yeah, right] I'll tell you more when I figure out what they have to offer.

Everyone-Thank you for listening to me ramble[ if you did, if you didn't I don't blame you]. One question, Am I the youngest one here?
traveler? - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Friday, August 20, 1999 02:00:16 PM
IP: proxy-523.public.rwc.webtv.net

Iron wolf--I read the book Secret of Nimh book and Watership Down and Tailchasers song. Just went to the bookstore during lunch and pick myself up a copy of Richard Adam's new sequel out to Watership Down-- Tales from Watership Down--it's a collections of folk tales the characters tell each other.

I agree with you about Buffy-- the male characters are weak as water. Have you seen Charmed-?- It's even worse--the guys are not only emasculated, but incompetant and stupid as well- uck!! I can't stand them---

My husband also made a comment the other day, when I was watching a Garg tape I have, Gargs is one of the few shows that show a competant male father figure. Esp when compared to other show like the Simpsons, and Family Guy-- now granted these are comedys, where gargs is a drama-- but still the message the other shows send out is the cynical one about how stupid dad is. Granted it has it's merits as comedy, but even Fred Flintstone could be a good dad when needed.-- How times have changed.

Fatherhood in gargoyles is something that is seen as lifechanging and worth a man's energy time and effort. And to nurture as a Father wasn't shown as making Xantos or Goliath any "less of a man or gargoyle" for lack of another way to put it-- it made them more of one.

Just some thoughts.


Jenna
Friday, August 20, 1999 01:47:30 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

All these posts about stupid people reminded me of a short article I clipped out of the newspaper a while back. Enjoy:

"Go Play in Traffic"

"Every day some new do-gooder is trying to save us from ourselves. We have so many laws and safety commissions to ensure our safety that it seems nearly impossible to have an accident. The problem is that we need accidents, and lots of them.
"Danger is nature's way of eliminating stupid people. Without safety, stupid people die in accidents...
"With safety, however well-intentioned it may be, we are devolving into half-witted mutants, because idiots, who by all rights should be dead, are spared from their rightful early graves and are free to breed even more imbeciles.
"Let's do away with safety and improve our species. Take up smoking. Jaywalk. Play with blasting caps. Swim right after a big meal. Stick something small in your ear. Take your choice of dangerous activity and do it with gusto. Future generations will thank you."

(article is credited to one Lawrence A. Bullis of Phoenix, in a missive to The Arizona Republic and reprinted in Harper's.)

Jenniren
Friday, August 20, 1999 01:09:36 PM
IP: user-2ivf72m.dialup.mindspring.com

Aaron> Sure, I'll let you all know ASAP. Right now, I'm in the process of moving back to my parent's house because I'm done with my coop summer job in Ottawa and I study in the same city I always lived in since I was a kid. I may not start the modifications until next weekend, depending on how much time I can find in between this weekend's moving back home and getting back to school Wednesday. I need to find what I'll write on it. I do have a few ideas but I need more.
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Friday, August 20, 1999 01:03:27 PM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca

And here I thought I was done for the day dang it jenna. Those are some good points about the divide among the sexes. Hmm reboot had has a good mix of strong male and female characters and of course( ironwolf blows off the dust from the title) Starblazers did too. He he I am soooo old I remember trying to stay out of kidengarden to watch this. Buffy nope that show has weak guys sorry but the vamps in the show are pathetic. I could slay them with one arm behind my back(one super soaker and holy water and its bye vamp, heck Texas has shrines with water faucets hose attachments of holy water uh real short fanfic**Xander standing with a water hose “oh its ok buffy we got it under control” as he hose down a hoard of Vamps and watches them flame up”. BTW have you read the book Secret of Nihm? It is very different form the movie. Oh and check out Tailchaser’s song by tad Williams it is watersship down with cats
ironwolf
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:51:30 PM
IP: host-216-78-83-37.cha.bellsouth.net

Frakes' Beard: He better have grown it back! I thought he looked terrible without it! <kills Deanna Troi in some gruesomely painful manner involving a straight razor>

Happy Birthday Tood Jensen!!! Happy Belated Birthday Other People Who've Recently Had One!!!

More later.
Kitainia
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:34:17 PM
IP: pool-209-138-62-231.dlls.grid.net

Last post--I promise at least for a while :P

Steve-- I thought Okla's horse was a mutant
Jenna, yet again
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:26:11 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Now that was a humdinger! *L*

Iron wolf-- no Thundar came out first- in the late 70's. D&D came out in the 80's
Jenna
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:22:58 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hey there fellow Thundarnites, Aaron and Steve! Yeah, steve, Thundar was dense but he was funny, and the irony is that he was sexist, but the show itself was not. It showed women in a very postitive light, who actively took control of there lives, and he often looked silly with his prejudice-- very clever writing that show.

Females in shows-- well wrote a huge long comment about this, but it got cleared by accident-- so let me start again with a shortened version.

Has anyone noticed that the going trend in shows, (not all but most) is that they can be divided into one of three catagories: strong women, emasculated men; strong men, weak women; everyone is emasculated, and fairly stupid/shallow (ie Friends) This might be a good topic for discussion here.

Gargoyles I loved, because both the females were strong, and Goliath and Xantos, were not afraid to jump into the fray and get there hands dirty. it was a balance of both genders -- I liked that. This is something that I ironically see more in animatied shows than adult shows--

So any thoughts anyone?

Great Idea for a pic for all artists ( I have already mentioned this in Aimee's comment room) Wouldn't it be great to have a group pic of all the females from the Gargoyles series, and call it "The women of Gargoyles" This would be similar to something I once saw drawn by Wendi Pini that she did for her comic series "ElfQuest". In the pic she had all the females of the series in a group shot and called it "The women of ElfQuest>"

So what do the artists think of this idea- any takers?

Speaking of women here is my list for animated females I liked ( and I'm including movies)

1) the enitire female cast of Gargoyles
2. The cop and poison ivy and catwoman from the first animated series of Batman
3. The heroines of the Disney Renniannce movies--
4. Ariel from Thundar
5. L
6. Hysenfy (sp) from Watership Down
7. and Mrs. Brisby from Secreat of NIMH-- she showed viewers that motherhood could be heroic and she was not a heroine because of romantic involvement or looks

That's my list for now--
Laters
Jenna
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:21:13 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

New on my site > two new Jericho pics and Spike's young Hudson, finally posted. Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

My nephew > thanks, all! I salute my sis-in-law, she let both her mom and mine be in the room for the delivery!

Odd news > found out last night that my father the Confederate soldier was an extra in Wild Wild West! Now I have to see it! Got $150 a day for five days, plus they fed the extras, _and_ he got to talk with Kevin Kline! Dad's apparently been doing quite a few documentaries and movies lately, even a Civil War video game. Still kinda hard to reconcile with the quiet, reclusive member of the family that I remember from growing up. But then, _I_ used to be quiet and reclusive too ... go figure ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:14:44 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Irina >nice choice of comics. If you like preacher and sandman you might like broken halo. The artwork is great and so is the story (though it is a tad blasphemous) the only problem is the guy doing it is sloooooow, only 5 or 6 issues and its been out over a year.
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Sevarius Jr. Actually there were two sequels to universal solder that hit video only. Of course if you want to be a stickler since van damnit was not in those two you could say they don’t count.

Spike Thank you Thank you Thank you for the Ad&d site now that my exosquad figs are complete I think I gonna work on the video collection for this. Oh BTW why be nervous about doing art the whole 5 min I got to go to the site, before my computer suckered punched me, the art work was great. I saw a lot of black and white that were fantastic.

Jenna I though Ad&D came out before thundar? you are probably right about the kids whining (Eric anyway) but I thought the scenery and animation was better in the Ad&d cartoon. Thundar tended to reuse the same strips over and over. But hey to each their own.

Traveler nope not ignored just didn’t have anything to say

Only one thing left, Hopefully I can beat my computer submission with the help of Guardian Felicia; (I installed a guardian program and well I have watched to much reboot) so I can go to the sites but oh well hehe break-in the law surfin on company time hehe oops big boss lady bye bye

ironwolf
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:58:26 AM
IP: host-216-78-83-37.cha.bellsouth.net

Aaron wanders in, takes off his sunglasses, and removes the earpiece, revealing the blade underneath. He sneaks up on DC, sticks the blade into the back of the neck where the spine meets the head, and DC drops like a sack of rocks.

Today, I had a rather disconcerting encounter with somebody driving down the wrong side of the street. Anyway...

D&D> If I remember correctly, Frank Welker did the "voice" of Uni, the main reason why they could never get home.

CrzyDemona> Obviously, Frakes is bucking to be made a captain. All the great captains are bald. Shatner's bald, Picard is way bald, and Sisko didn't make captain until after he shaved his head. Janeway... Forget Janeway, I said great captains. BTW, do *you* know what happened to the stuff we left for Greg and Thom to sign after the auction.

Zath> Sam and Twitch are, sadly, not in the live action movie. But they do have some of the best lines in the animated series. BTW, whereabouts in South TX are you?

Kitainia> You do know Frakes shaved the beard in Insurrection, don't you? Or has he grown it back?

Coyote>I've seen the Nuku-Nuku OVA, but it was in japanese, and I didn't catch most of the names. Could you describe which girl you're talking about?

Irina> Welcome. Please allow Robby to confiscate any remaining sanity you have, and I think you'll have a lot of fun here.

Wilek><<Cull the herds.>> Yes. Let the system take over.

DarkAngel>Let us know how the coat modification turns out. I keep meaning to find a black sportcoat and do the anarchy symbol on the back in white, but I never seem to get around to it. (There's a cookie for anyone who knows what that's from)

Jenna>Of course I remember Thundar. He had that cool lightsword. I loved that show.

This may be a little belated, but I finally tracked down a copy of Running with Scissors. I think The Saga Begins is better then TPM, and better captures the spirit of what a Star Wars movie should be.

I had a really great creativity demon, but it seems to have escaped me for right now. I'll have to go hunt it down.

Later.

Aaron wanders away humming "2X4" by Metallica. Yes, that is from Load. I'm tasteless.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:55:40 AM
IP: ppp-222.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

***** SHORT RP *****

At one point, on the Avatar, Doug and Kit come upon Big Jake as he is fixing Sara-Jane in preparation to leave.

"Hey, Jake? Where are you going?" Doug asks.

"I have some unfinished business to take care off," the big man replies. "But, I'll be back when you guys need me."

**** PAUSE ****

THUNDARR - I remember this show! Especially the obvious SW refs (Ookla the Mok/Chewie, the Sunsword/Lightsaber), but it was a cool show, action packed. But Thundarr was a bit dense at times:

Princess Ariel - "That's a powerful wizard! And he's got hundreds of minions!"
Thundarr - "WIZARD! YOU DIE NOW! <battlecry>" [Thundarr charges in without any thought to what could happen to him]

One thing that bugged me: Ariel and Thundarr had normal horses, but what is that thick-tailed, alien looking critter that Ookla rides?!?

***** RESUME *****

Doug shakes Jake's hand. "We appreciate the save on the Devestator, Jake. And you're always welcome in the Ravens."

"Thanks, Doug. You two take care now."

Kit suddenly asks, "Wait! How are you going to get back down to Earth? We could have a shuttle made ready."

Jake smirks. "That's okay. I have my own way." Flipping on a commlink as he mounts Sara-Jane, Jake says, "Jess, you still with me?"

"Still here, but not sure on how much longer," comes the reply. "The battle made me use a lot of my power, and I'm this close to blacking out again."

"Don't worry then. I just need a lift back to the garage," Jake tells her. "I'll take care of things after I'm there."

"Okay, tell anyone around you to step back."

Jake waves the two Ravens back, giving them a departing smile, just as a nimbus of energy envelops him and the bike. In a flash, they vanish without a trace.

***** END RP *****

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:54:57 AM
IP: m172.ieway.com

D&D-- I remeber that show. I may be one of the few- but I didn't care for the characters all that much--some of them were too whiney for my tastes- granted they were lost in another world, but ack! I just couldn't stand them- and I was just in 4th grade when it came out. The only character I could stand was the acrobat and the ranger-- the others- yuck! :P The adventure was the only redeeming quality.

One show I don't know if anyone remebers there was one called "Thundar the Barbarian". Does anyone remeber that? You all may find it funny, but that was my fav animated show for the longest time- I was in first grade when it came out, and I still remeber it. It was dark, and if I remeber correctly people died on it too. -- Back before PC existed and it was okay not to sugarcoat everything. I liked the adventure, and the characters were well defined and I loved them-- very differnt from the whiny teens and preteens that came out in D&D, several years later. The animation wasn't the best, but the story telling was awesome. Found a tape of Thundar at the video store once and I pounced on it.
Jenna
Friday, August 20, 1999 11:04:14 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

SEVARIUS JR - You wrote: [I know that most folks in here probably don't give a rats ass about the Superman/Batman adventures, but I'm pretty upset that they're *both* ending.]

I'm not particularly happy about that either but I can understand that Paul Dini can only have so much of a workload before a vein in his brain pops. I would have prefered to have seen the original BATMAN series continue rather than a BATMAN BEYOND or a SUPERMAN series though.

But again, like I've been saying in the other room, we have to remember the audience that is being shot for on Saturday mornings. It's a younger audience that doesn't want the burden of continuity. It wants lots of technology, huge explosions, and colorful characters. BATMAN on Saturday morning was bound to die off sooner or later.

When the show first started, it was a weekday afternoon show with the dark, gothic tone of the first Batman movie. When it was brought to Saturday morning, the attempt to fix it up for Saturday morning resulted in a redesign that lightened that mood up a bit. (Although to be honest, I prefer the Dark Knight Returns costume over the one from the original series. I also like that the WB finally had Robin become Nightwing.) It was never going to work. You can't lighten up BATMAN.

The WB did do some very good BATMAN episodes - that one where Batgirl "died", the Mad Love episode, and the Legends of the Dark Knight adaption stand out in my mind. But even then it had a different feel from the original series. They were good but anyone who has seen both versions of the series can understand what I mean.

BATMAN BEYOND is a perfect series for the audience it's shooting for. You have a young Batman, lots of technology, a futuristic setting, and little continuity. It's got a little bit of a dark setting but nowhere near the original BATMAN series. Enough for the audience of 5-12 years old to get the best of both worlds - grim and happy. That's why it's so popular. We and other long time Batman fans aren't the people they are trying to get to watch.

Personally the best episodes of BB are the ones that deal with old BATMAN continuity. The Mr. Freeze episode for example was a particularly good episode. I never really like Terry. He gets on my nerves. Not only that but I can't really imagine Bruce completely giving up. If he couldn't physically do anything he would have done the same thing he did in KINGDOM COME.


ROBBY - You wrote: [No new Histeria]

I've got some bad news. I've already seen commercials on the WB that say: "HISTERIA! Brand New Episode this Fall!" It's a tragedy I tell you, a tragedy!

You wrote: [I like BB, but if this season was any indication, they've already run low on ideas]

There are at least three good ideas left that they could use. And their names are Superman, Ras Al Gul, and The Demon. After that, BB is just going to degenerate into what's it's meant to be - a bunch of colorful characters that get into 20 minute long fights that have lots of explosions and where the damsel in distress gets rescued by the hero. Exactly what the 5-12 year old Saturday morning audience it has wants.

You wrote: [You're looking at one of the biggest TMNT fans ever! I have every issue of both Archie and Mirage series! Only have the first 4 issues of the image series though... It kinda... Well... Sucked.]

I picked up an issue of the Image series. It wasn't so bad but I that was because I enjoyed seeing the presence of SAVAGE DRAGON characters. Do you happen to know if the last two issues of the Image series have come out or not?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:57:07 AM
IP: 142.new-york-13-14rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Okay. I'm just checking who's in the CR as of now. I have got to get a new computer...mine is so slow still.

Irina- Welcome to the CR. I'm new too, just remeber to have your trays in an upright position, seat belts buckled, and don't feed the animals....;)

To everyone else.....ummm.....hi

I've decided to rethink my list of favorite cartoon girls so here they are....
10. Beth from gargoyles
9. Sailor Jupiter ( I don't even like the show)
8. Misty from Pokemon
7. Terry's girlfriend from Batman Beyond ( I can't remember her name)
6. Fox
5. Elisa
4. Lady of the Lake from Gargoyles
3. Blackarachnia
2. Demona
1. Angela

Anyway that's it. So now I will no longer bug you.

Coming soon....Sarge the Movie! Satrring Sarge as Sarge...co actor Sarge....Directed by Sarge...rated S for Sarge!
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:51:41 AM
IP: spider-tk071.proxy.aol.com

**enters the room**

Going to be out and about for a while today ... have to make sure I did this before I forgot.

Happy B-day, Todd. **tosses a remote to Todd** WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!

**moving crew pushes in yet another Execution cake**

I think ye know the deal by now. :)

**walks out**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:43:13 AM
IP: modem60.i-is.com

::checking in::

Happy Birthday to Jon Frakes and Todd Jensen.

Thanks to all who wished me a happy birthday.

Dungeons & Dragons> I remember this very vaguely. I took a look at Spike's link, it looks like a show that would appeal to me.

One thing that did catch my eye; "Holy sh!t, Venger looks like Madoc."
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:29:09 AM
IP: spider-wk012.proxy.aol.com

Delphi:Reads joke *groan*
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Friday, August 20, 1999 10:05:23 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

Wilek Nereus> << I would, if I had one [trenchcoat]. No one around here sells them.>> I bought mine at a used clothes store. Cost me 6$. I'm currently in the process of modifying it. I don't want to buy a bunch of 10-15$ patches at my local underground music store, so I just got myself some white paint in a spraycan, stencils and cardboard. I pencil in a message on cardboard using the stencil, cut it out and spraypaint it on the trenchcoat. Hope to finish it before going back to school.

Pistoff> <<Jello Biafra>> I like this guy! :) Got a few DK CDs and vinyls, those guys rock! And they're not a bunch of revolutionary poseurs like, say, the Sex Pistols. "Step right up folks. Anarchy for Sale!"

<<$1,000...on special?!?! Ye gods!>> This includes 5 shirts (ironing is *really* boring), three pairs of pants, a vest, socks that go with the whole thing, a belt and 'decent' shoes. All in all, I had to get a whole new wardrobe (sp?), so now I have two: 'decent' clothes and 'weirdo' clothes. First thing I do when I get back home is change back into my original clothes. I hate my work clothes, I hate 'em, I hate 'em. And I hate the society that makes it necessary to dress up for a job.

Oh, and BTW, all prices I mention in my posts are Canadian dollars. 1 CAN$ = 0.66 US$ right now, and dropping.
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Friday, August 20, 1999 09:53:58 AM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca

Sorry for the dbl post,
Lexy will mail dough on sat
DavidG>>havn't heard from you in awhile....how go's the projects???
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclnik.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:55:57 AM
IP: 207.14.200.160

Gooodmorning CR!!!!!!!
Here's your A.M. joke fix>

There are many stories related to the sinking of the "Titanic".
Some have just come to light due to the success of the recent movie. For example, most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellman's mayonnaise was manufactured in England. The "Titanic" was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after New York City.
The Mexican people were eagerly awaiting delivery and were
disconsolate at the loss. So much so that they declared a
national day of mourning which they still observe today.
>>
>> It is known, of course, as:
>> (You're going to hate me for this....)
>>
>> Sinko de Mayo
>>
>> ("I just pass 'em on")
Have a great day!!!!!!

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclinl.com]
twin falls, idaho
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:52:34 AM
IP: 207.14.200.160

Ignore, just a test post... lessee if this makes it.
Mandolin
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:44:42 AM
IP: pm3-3-ppp17.iximd.com

Trey Palmer-I'll ignore the Electronic Mail Sent yesterday. The situation with Christine is over and I'm going to keep it that way.

Traveler-Heh, the LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE joke is fitting. If you want to make fun of Zophar, go ahead! :) As for Robby, I know he could kick me out of the THE GARGOYLES SAGA Comment Room, but because he's a nice person he won't.

Irina-FINAL FANTASY TACTICS has no Plot!? Lol (Laughing Out Loud for those who don't know). FINAL FANTASY TACTICS has one of the most tragic Plots there is, and one of the best. The Characterization is also beautiful. Yeesh.
FINAL FANTASY VII is an okay Game. Sephiroth is a tragic character. Did you understand any of the emotions going on in the Kalm Town Nibelheim Flashback or not? Hopefully so. If not, well, I'll explain here. It was quite obvious he'd been created to be a weapon, that was his purpose, why he was given birth to. He was created and honed to be a weapon and prevented from receiving any real emotions. He was obviously different, and after finding out what he did... Finding out he might not be human... His rage and hatred for the world for doing this and supposedly slaughtering his kind, for causing so much pain to who he thinks are his kind... He'd already grown to hate the world because that's all he could do, hate. He was forged as a 'perfect weapon'. So the question a certain SOLDIER asked him snapped him. His despair afterwards, combined with all that rage, and hatred, caused him to lash out. Which caused him to become easily opened to a certain *very* manipulative creature.
I don't know how far along you are, but hopefully that was free of Spoilers. I'm not sure exactly when the manipulative creature 'took the stage', but it could have been at any time when he was unstable. I say after he trashed Nibleheim, I say he was venting his own rage then.
The 'perfect weapon'.
Poor guy.

"If I sleep here, mom comes into my dreams."-Yua
BREATH OF FIRE II
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:38:19 AM
IP: 254.morristown-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Hi all!!

Delphi re labels:*ROTFLMAO*

DarkAngel:As an aside, how many people here are wearing trenchcoats? Seeing so many people who do makes me feel so... normal <grin>. I'm the only one at my school who wears one.>>I'm planning on getting a black trenchcoat,I've always wanted one.

Coyote:What would happen ... to *us* ... if a gang chose a character from our show as a gang emblem?>>We'ed be in serious Josta!as Wilek said we'd all be hunted down.:(

Arianna:Welcome back and happy belated birthday!:)

Christine:congadulations on becoming an aunt!

Aaron:My luck officially sucks. Up the road from my office, there's a little cafe, where I get sent to pick up tacos for one paralegal or other, almost every morning. Today, one of them came in late, and decided to get his own tacos. Of course, the *one* day I don't go there is the day that Tommy Lee Jones is having breakfast there. Sigh.>>AAWW Man!!,that sucks!!

Happy Birthday Johnathan Frakes!

Lexy:The cash is on it's way,I just hope it gets there.

Dungeons and Dragons:I remember that show,along with the Pirates of Darkwater,Ulyssies(SP)31,StarBlasers and Transformers,ah so many happy memories.:)

indiana traveler:Do you work on that site? I've seen the picture archives before and you are right , they have way more that enough pictures. But web builders said that I need permission from someone that workes on the site or they'd sue my fat @$$. Do I need permission from that site , or did I already get it ? Thanx xanthar.>>No I don't work on either websites(I don't know anything about website design) but you can E-mail Gorbash the Station eight webmaster for permission.

indiana traveler:Has anyone really been paying attention to my posts besides goliathgirl5 , xanthar, and starsinger. and speeking of goliathgirl5 and starsinger, where are they.>>Nobody ignores you or anybody else in this room as where angie and starsinger are,they are probably too busy in RL add comments to the CR right now,I'm sure they'll be back.

Adrienne:Did anyone notice that Demona's amination seemed to deviate a lot? Not that it wasn't well done...she (facial features, etc.) just seemed to look..different from show to show (check the video clip in s8 where she kisses GOliath goodbye (*snif*)....when it starts, she looks about 40, but by the time she's bidding farewell, she looks like she's 25......h'rm.>>Yeah I noticed it too,Demona seemed to keep alternating between young and old appearence in City of Stone especially in parts one and two.

Pistoff Heh, when the Raiders gang met a *real* street gang...well, you can imagine it was a beautiful thing to see. :)>>My imaginations pretty creative in that department>:)those Raiders must've been begging for mercy by the end>:)

shogun raptor:you think the pokemon and star trek fanatics are bad, you should've seen the conservative christian website that declared Jar jar "jar" Binks a tool of the devil>>That would be the *ONLY* time that I'd be inclined to agree with them:)

Shares a moment of silence for Brion James.

SJ:It appears as if the DEMON HIMSELF, evil incarnate....Joel Schumacher.....is ready to helm another Batman film>>AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!THAT DOES IT!!! Fellow Joyriders add Joel Schumacher to the hit list,he's goin down!

Irina:Welcome!:)

**THE JOYRIDE**
"Alright guy's split up and search each room,we've got to find Angela Davis before the cops get here"said Warpmind and everybody began searching for the govenor of Santa Cruz.

Xanathar decided to begin his search in the govenor's office,he was just about to move on when he heard a noise comming from a nearby closet,Xanathar opened the door and began grinning "Why hello Dean Devlin,I have no idea what your doing here but I'm soo glad you could join us"said Xanathar and began revving his chainsaw

"NOOOOO!!"said Dean screaming at the top of his lungs

**TO BE CONTINUED**

C'yas later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Friday, August 20, 1999 08:12:09 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

*Looks at Coyote's POst* *baffs self*
Adrienne.
Friday, August 20, 1999 03:11:24 AM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

GArgoyles Swimsuit GAllery- There already is one....dernit, what's the link? AACK! WEll, I *think* it's linked to at Christine's page....although I'm not sure anymore...

The Heather and Robby Fund- how do you contribute?

Adrienne. :) - [beowulf2@pacbell.net]
Friday, August 20, 1999 02:55:45 AM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

****NO RP TONIGHT****

Kitainia-Thanks again for telling me. (check e-mail if you don't know what I mean)

Christine-Congrats. Hmmmm Auntie Christine, has a nice ring to it.

Fire Storm- I like a story line too, but it's just when you need to press like four buttons to make something happen that's went reading a long instruction manual gets boring. <Press this, press that, press this one again and press these three in this combination for that to happen. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T PRESS THAT ONE!!!!> You know how it is.

Jonathan Frakes- You realize of course that now we must have a PARTY!!!!!

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Friday, August 20, 1999 02:45:06 AM
IP: cache2.avtel.net

**RP!**

[On the cloaked Dislumini vessel orbiting the earth...Science officer: "Captain? I've detected something. It's barely there, and it could be simply sensor artifact..." Captain: "What is it?" Science officer: "Multiphasic resonations, in the exact frequency range the Psyll Synod told us to scan for. It could be anything..." Captain: "But that's not likely, is it. We figured the Trih Xeem would be here. Is he preparing to engage it?" Sci.: "No, the intensity is remaining constant rather than constinually increasing." Cpt. "Good. We're not to interfere unless that weapon is about to be used. If what it was able to do to the Psyll was any indication...<shudder>"]

**END RP!**

Delphi> warning labels> What frightens me about this kind of thing is that there is a statistically significant portion of the population who would DO these things if the labels weren't there. I've seen on one of those car window shade things, 'Do not drive with this in place'. Uh huh. I say, start leaving off the more outlandish and obvious warnings. Cull the herds. >:) <<For myself, I make comments as something strikes my fancy, and if I don't have anything interesting to say, well I just sit in the corner and pay attention to what is going on around me.>> You do that too? :)

DarkAngel> <<I had to buy 1000$ worth of clothes (on special, no less) to conform to the freakin' business suit attire. I hate those clothes with a passion.>> Oh, so do I. I would HATE to wear a suit. I always feel like I'm choking to death. <<As an aside, how many people here are wearing trenchcoats?>> I would, if I had one. No one around here sells them. :/ But one of my fic characters wears a black trenchcoat.

Jewel> <<for the second morning in a row, I woke up with a stomach ache. Arg. I think my ulcer is coming back...>> Eek. I've heard stress can cause that, and you've been through a lot lately. <<Remember the woman who sued the makers of a spermicidal jelly because she got pregnant--she saw the word "jelly" and thought it meant she was supposed to eat it.>> I heard about that. I hope she was laughed out of the courtroom. <<The Reverend Taylor-Faulkner (yes, she is ordained, but no, she doesn't preach--I think she was ordained just for the prestege and for tax purposes) *fired* two of her agents (she owns a real estate agnecy) because they went to my big brother's wedding.>> Ugh. I think it's clear that Madame Psycho-B***h doesn't deserve to have any place in your life. I'm amazed you're not a murderous sociopath by now; I know I would be. :) Either way, I hope things improve.

Coyote> <<Disney/ABC's executives are basically in a lifelong self-rectal exam>> That occurred to me at about the same time as the premiere of One Saturday Morning. <gag> <<What would happen ... to *us* ... if a gang chose a character from our show as a gang emblem?>> <long moment of stunned, cold, shuddering fear> I...I don't want to imagine it. It'd be a holocaust. We'd...we'd all be hunted down and executed...

Lady Arianna> WELCOME BACK ARI! :D Hm, wonder what I'll do with this candle now...

Christine> Congratulations on your new aunthood! :D

It's Jonathan Frakes' birthday? Kewlies! Where's the cakes...

Aaron> <<Of course, the *one* day I don't go there is the day that Tommy Lee Jones is having breakfast there.>> ACK. Is it me, or do we of the Gargs fandom have the *weirdest* luck? Is this the price we must pay for our brilliant insanity...?

Mary Flanders> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!! That...that...ugh, that's...there are no words. <shudder>

Lexy> <<Any one else want to contribute to Xantose Bday list??>> Hm...[Demona kicks in the door to Xanatos' office and levels what looks like a bazooka at him. Before anyone can react, she fires--out comes confetti and a Happy Birthday flag. She collapses with psychotic laughter and has to be dragged off.] Heh.

Adrienne> <<Uhm...oh, dear, I forgot your name....but what is the fund-raiser thing (I think ye use mint green or summat) that's been goin' on? Looketh kewl, but...???>> That's Lexy, and she's having a fund-raiser so Robby and Heather can meet IRL. ^_^

Heather> <<Geez...you guys are living "Get Well" cards.>> I'll take that as a compliment. ^_^ <careful hugZ> <<Robby : I'm glad you had fun yesterday. I know you have a scanner now...>> He does? Very kewl...I'd better get started... 8)

Crzy> <<I doubt you would think Jonathan Frakes looks as good for his age if you have seen him without his wig. Yes... the man is bald.>> o_o' I hope I don't become besieged by this mental image...WHAT IS IT WITH STAR TREK AND BALD PPL?!!! SHATNER, STEWART, BROOKS, KHAMBATTA, NOW FRAKES...I have absolutely nothing against bald ppl, but this is WEIRD. Makes me wonder about Mulgrew.

Zath> <<Are they in the movie (which I haven't seen yet either)?>> Depends which one you mean. There are two animated movies and one live action. They're in the first animated movie (haven't seen the second one so I don't know), but not the live action. <<I wonder if anyone's done a crossover with gargs...>> Well...the Spawn universe is part of my ficverse, but I doubt I'll be doing anything with it.

Spike> <<How did I know about the D&D fandom? *laughs nervously* Simple... I've done art for them.>> WoW!

Todd> <<Then Mark came along, and while the production team naturally had some initial difficulty imagining him doing the Joker, given whom Mark Hamill is most famous for playing, they signed him up once they heard the way that he delivered the Joker's laugh.>> Heh...I've heard that he'd developed this great insane laugh and was looking for something to use it for. Says something, really. >;)

Pistoff> <<And sure, feel free to draw as many beakgirls as you like.>> Why did I just envision a chorus line of beaked females. :P

Fire Storm> <<REALLY destructive virui (Is that plural for virus?)>> Actually, it's viri. :) <<EVIL Superman? AW, MAN! I NEED to see that episode!>> I seem to remember an alternate-universe episode where I think Lex (!) Luthor ruled the world, and Superman was his enforcer or something. He had the kewlest costume ever--a black jumpsuit (as opposed to his current red and blue one) with black gloves, black boots, no cape (I normally like capes, but this was an exception), and a red S written in what looked like the same font as the Nazi SS insignia (or the KISS sigil). <<I ESPECIALLY like it when company's include a story novel with thier games.>> Nostalgia attack--this REALLY REALLY old game called Weird Dreams came with an extremely kewl novella which not only told the game's ENTIRE BACKSTORY but also provided copy protection (the game is that old). There was also a weird old Buck Rogers RPG that came with a novel that I'm not sure what it had to do with the game since it never worked but the novel was really good. ^_^ It also came with a few books of some kind that told about the different races in the game's universe and its timeline and such. That was so cool. Ah, for the old days.

Traveler> <<Myself, spelled “Traveler”, and the impostor Traveler which is spelled “traveler” and sometimes referred to as “Indiana traveler” because of him listing Indiana as the state he lives in.>> I wouldn't exactly call him an 'impostor', but oh well. :) <<BTW, did you get my e-mail?>> Yup, I just haven't been able to get around to responding yet. There simply aren't enough hours in the day. ;)

traveler> <<Has anyone really been paying attention to my posts besides goliathgirl5 , xanthar, and starsinger. and speeking of goliathgirl5 and starsinger, where are they.>> I haven't been ignoring you; I don't do that to anyone.

<moment of silence for Brion James>

By the way...was that Gargs Swimsuit page supposed to be as *funny* as I thought it was...?

Robby> <<So go ahead and request whatever kind of piccie it was you wanted me to draw, and be a bit more specific.>> heh heh heh...I tend to be *relentlessly* specific. Hope you don't mind. >;) I'll compose the e-mail right after finishing this post (if I have time, which I hope I do...). <<However, it may take a bit longer than I would normally>> No problem; I'm quite patient. ^_^

Newcomers> Welcome! Allow me or whoever does it to confiscate your sanity, and join the legions of fractal minds, never to know the gloomy thralldom of sanity again...

Irina> Oh, that Bryn Mawr weirdness will be *most* welcome here; and having *two* Bryn Mawr students here will be even more fun than one. This place has been too sane lately; we need ppl like you and Jewel to make up for it. ;)

**JOYRIDE!**

[The team looks on in horror as Barney begins tormenting the surviving Backstreet Boys with his satanically sappy singing. Wilek instinctually aims his triad cannon at the beast, but is talked out of it by Jack Hammer: "He's annoying, yeah, but he's apparently on our side for once. Maybe it's the police we should worry about." Miriam: "Indeed. Governor Davis must realize we're here. Our primary objective is to eliminate her and escape as quickly as possible. Computer, engage cloak." "Confirmed." "I pre-programmed it to automatically cloak both our vehicle and Mr. Hammer's. If the police are initially uncertain of our presence here, it will buy us some time."]

**END!**
Wilek Nereus
Friday, August 20, 1999 01:54:15 AM
IP: tnt-2-171-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

I like this "Kentucky Bluegrass" color.
Anyway, I just wanted to apologize for Jewel and me taking up so much space.
Sorry.
Irina
Friday, August 20, 1999 01:19:45 AM
IP: 103.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Okay, this is the last one, I swear it.
I just had to see what color "Kentucky Bluegrass" was.
No, seriously, I realized a minute ago that in my posts ("Jewel, shut up about my typos. At least I don't sound Scottish...") ("No, you just sound mentally handicapped.") ("Bite me. And I don't care if it's as unoriginal as The Phantom Menace.")
Anyway, the reason I'm posting one last time ("Shut *up,* Jewel, yes, I know payback's a b*tch, and there ain't no b*tch like a Bryn Mawr b*tch, you know it's really annoying bleeping out letters all the time, but remember, I'm a Bryn Mawr b*tch too.)
Ah, run on sentences. Gotta love 'em.
Anyway, I digress (Naw, we didn't notice...).
I realized that in my other posts, I managed to go on for quite a while and say absolutely nothing about myself, which was what I originally intended to do.
As you've probably gathered, I don't particularly like Star Wars, especially The Phantom Menace.
Darth Maul hot?! He's short, for one thing. (Jewel comments, "As Irina climbs up on her soapbox..." You know, she once told me to stand on a table while ranting about something or other, and I actually did... this tells you something right there) Anyway, in The Phantom Menace, George Lucas violated one of the prime rules of science fiction: give your villains kick@ss lines. Darth Maul had how many lines, total, in the whole movie? Two, I believe. "Yes, my Master," and "And now we shall get our revenge."
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
(Ok, Jewel, you were right...)
However, I'll save the rest of my rant for when someone says "How dare you knock Star Wars," or some such thing as that.
You have been warned... enjoy.
Let's see, other stuff. (Foetus rant, Jewel? Is that what you called this post? Well, that may change eventually... and that's just a sick image to begin with. "It hasn't finished developing yet," protests Jewel. Yuck, is all I have to say about that.)
Anyway, other stuff. I read comics, especially Vertigo. Hellblazer, Transmet, Sandman (my favorite), some Preacher, some others.
I read a *lot* of science fiction and fantasy, some of my rather misguided friends call me obsessed (hehe) (Jewel <cough cough (btw, in case anyone's interested, that was originally mistyped as "couch couch," which results in ye olde Jewele being in hysterics on my floor again)> "Understatement... <cough cough> Understatement..." Fine, fine, I admit it, I'm a little obsessive.)
I was one of the people who went with Jewel to that sci fi convention where we met Harlan Ellison (and got called "virginal waifs" and "cute" at various times, though also once "an unstoppable force," which I still take as a high compliment, and also told I was going to get murdered, probably by him).
Long story. If you really want to know, ask. One of us will tell you. Maybe both.
Anyway, I'm also a fairly mild Trekkie (original series, always... Jewel, don't argue with me right now, we'll argue this *later,* Spock is better than Data, and that's just it...)
I've also gotten into Final Fantasy relatively recently, and I gotta say, I think VII is the best so far (Tactics?! Let's put a little plot into our games, shall we? It tends to improve them). And Sephiroth kicks @ss. Though some of those Sephiroth-worship sites are just scary...
I could say the same thing about plot to George Lucas about his movies, but I refuse to start ranting yet.
Bring it on, bring it on...
(ye olde Jewle <covers up typo cleverly> shakes her head...)
I actually have seen Gargoyles once or twice, and Jewel's explained a lot of it to me, though I haven't had the opportunity to see much more. Ya see, this requires a little explanation. Jewel was starting her campaign to get me into the series.
She would have done it, had it not been that we got interrupted by some strange noises coming from the next room. See, her roommate was in there with... well, let's just quote Jewel for a moment: "Squee-ee, squee-ee, squee-ee, aaa-aah."
Ah, college life. Gotta love it.
Anyway, I wonder how many times I've said "anyway" in this post. Too many.
That pretty much covers it, I think. Cya all around...

Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 01:17:16 AM
IP: 103.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

*Growles* HEY dang it!! I just posted something about swimsuits and now its gone! or..*wonders* mabye my comp is just playing mind games with me..now what? should I re-write my old post..and hope that there isnt another post in there that my comp just wasnt showing me? Or should I just leave it alone and not have my swimsuit post! Oh darn..I hate thinking this late at night..um..umm..OH heck..here goes..

Well..I basically said that I think it would be REALLY COOL to have a gargoyles swimsuit site totally devoted to our heros and heroins in their swimming suits and trunks! I also think that one piccy of Brooklyn and Lexington in swim trunks from the comic would be a wonderful choice for the cover.

*watches the poster's below her* hmmm..sleepovers will do that to you..take away what lil sanity you have i mean
Lexy
Friday, August 20, 1999 01:14:41 AM
IP: milwb205-16.splitrock.net

No, we haven't lost our minds. We never had 'em to begin with. And it's 1 am--surely all y'all know the phenomenon. After 1, you start to act as if your drunk because of sleep deprevation--you hit the sillies. To quote the nutcase standing next to me, "Stupid-o'clock in the morning."
<after long bout of laughter,,,gives up and has another fit.>
Ohhh, dear. The side of me y'all usually never see--the insanely silly side.

<deep breath> OK, now for the half-@ssed attempt at a serious post <interrupted by typos, Irina making fun of me and talking with a Scottish accent, schreeching "'Cause that's what yer typoos sound like, lass!", and me laughing so hard I have to put my head on the desk> I'm over at Irina's house because i was kicked out o where I'm staying for the night--they're having like, a gajillion and a half people over, and ran out of beds. I had stayed over at her house last night, and my dad's cousin asked if I could stay over here ("Shut up, Irina. Leave me and my typos alone.") So I'm here. Going to work is gonna be fun tomorrow, after the half hour of sleep I'm expecting to get. <singing in background: "Who needs sleep? Never gonna get it! Who needs sleep? Oh, what's that for?"> In case y'all couldn't tell, I am in better spirits now ("It's just my irresistible personality," says Irina) (Your neuroses, you mean) ("Well, of course. Insanity laughs under pressure.")--insane laughter does make one feel better. (No, Irina, not *psychotic* laughter. Leave that to me.) (<puppy-dog face> "But...but psychotic is *so* much fun...")
I might be getting my apartment next week! I'm hoping to take over the lease of a woman I work with--she's moving to Fairfax to be closer to her boyfriend. She's going to talk to the leasing agent tomorrow before she comes to work. I have my fingers *so* crossed--if one thing in my life settles down, everything else should, too. Here's hoping...

SJ: We're that close to each other? Cool.

Warning labels: I agree with that commedian, who said we should put "stupid" signs on people. It would save a lot of people time, energy, and frustration...

JOHNATHAN FRAKES IS *47*?!!!? You're kidding. He doesn't look that old. Oh, random--how old is Brent Spiner?

OK, Jewel go now. Jewel must sleep. Jewel post something thought provoking and intelligent when Jewel not speaking in third person.

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:57:15 AM
IP: 103.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Poor Jewel, she's lost it completely, she's scared of her own reflection... let me guess: "Bite me?" Nah, she says it's too unoriginal. To quote a favorite author of mine (Neil Gaiman, in case anyone's interested), "Been there, Remiel. Done that. Wore the Tee shirt, ate the burger, bought the original cast album, choreographed the legions of the damned, and orchestrated the screaming..."
Jewel's comment: "You scare me sometimes."
My comment: "ditto."
Jewel, isn't sticking out your tongue unoriginal? Ah, Calvin face. Understood...
Jewel, you scare me sometimes.
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:40:52 AM
IP: 103.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Irina, you scare me.

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:36:33 AM
IP: 103.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Hi, I'm Irina, I'll be joining this comment room in a big way probably some time early next week. You've heard me, though you didn't know it. I'm Jewel's ranting friend, now non-ranting. I'm sure Jewel's mentioned the saying "There ain't no bitch like a Bryn Mawr bitch," and I hope to give you all plenty of fun rants and Bryn Mawr stories (even after a year, I have so many the number itself is frightening).
Ah, wierd sh*t, gotta love it.
Btw, Jewel says hi, she's watching me type (non-rantingly), etc., etc., etc.
Inside jokes, gotta love 'em.
Ah, I love it when it's 1am. I'm wondering if this post will seem half as humorous when I look at it again in the morning. Well, nothing seems particularly humorous in the morning, so maybe I should amend that to afternoon.
(Jewel's comment to me: "You actually get up in the mornings?" Answer: no, not if I can help it. Jewel's the one who gets up at 6am... though, "not willingly," she protests. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. "Bite me," Jewel says.)
Ah, long drawn out conversations recorded for your reading pleasure. Gotta love 'em.
Anyway, it really is about 1am, and I"m now rambling, and I'd better stop now before Jewel has a seizure... oops, too late... sorry, all fans of her fanfic, I think she won't be writing for a while... Jewel... are you okay... Jewel... yeah, that gasping is just hysterical laughter... I think... I hope... Jewel... don't die... oops, now she really is in hysterics, seriously. Literally, rolling on the floor wheezing.
I didn't know I was that funny... maybe it's just that it's 1am.
Gotta love it.
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:35:27 AM
IP: 103.arlington-02.va.dial-access.att.net

Wilek- I now possess a scanner, its just a matter of hooking the sucker up... Hee... So go ahead and request whatever kind of piccie it was you wanted me to draw, and be a bit more specific. However, it may take a bit longer than I would normally, as I now have to start putting together sample stuff for my sessions with Ben Dunn...

Warpmind- COuld you be a bit more specific about the midi you want me to find? Full title? Artist? Group? Something? As it is, all a search for "Champions" pulls up is the Queen song, "We Are The Champions"...

Superman finale- Can't wait to see this... Darksied was always so much fun... Shame the shows are being wasted on Batman Beyond... I mean, I like BB, but if this season was any indication, they've already run low on ideas, considering the plots repeated a lot of times... (The best one being the freeze one, meybe the royal Flush Gang...) ANd no new Animaniacs or Pinky and the Brain... (Thou P&B was a mercy killing after they added Elmyra...) No new Histeria or Sylvester and Tweety thankfully... So whats that leave? MIB, Batman Beyond, and their new, lousy looking "Detention"? Come on, this kinda... Sucks coming from the WB. (Bring back Freakazoid, Earthworm Jim and Road Rovers!)

Protesting and general stupidity of the american populace- So what else is new?

Christine- COngrats on being an Aunt! Does that mean you're gonna start ruining picnics?

Aaron- I know GD2 is out. I got a copy at the source. Hee.

Lexy- I wasn't being nitpicky, I was just curious. trunk's two hairstyles are RADICALLY different after all...

Hmm. Suddenly the Brianna picture is being used a LOT...

Sarge- You're looking at one of the biggest TMNT fans ever! I have every issue of both Archie and Mirage series! Only have the first 4 issues of the image series though... It kinda... Well... Sucked.

Traveler- The creep with the red glowing mechanical eyes on the Dark Star Two who killed Connection Denied and took the place over is going to be a new major villain. I'm gonna control him and go against the heroes, just for a change of pace. As far as who he is? He's an old villain who's been thought dead before, he is NOT Lonny, and I've already given two clues in previous posts. But nothing huge is gonna happen yet, as everyone else is a bit busy at the moment... For now he's just gonna rip off a Tick episode...

By the by, loved your paraody Lunar end quote.

Coyote- Hey, I recognize Akiko.

**RP HERE**

The guy who's taken over the Dark Star Two, (But shall remain annonymous and in shadows for a while yet...) decides something.
"You know, writing my name in the moon might be really cool. No heroes know I exist so no one is out to stop me, I haven't pissed off any other villains, its a really cool thing to do... This is the perfect time to do it!"
So with a minimum of effort the villain aims the Dark Star Two's powerful laser weaponry at the moon, and starts to engrave his namje where everyone in the world can see it.
"C... H... A..." Near the end of the "A" the villain stops, and the A remains unfinished, as the nasty character suddenly realizes. "Oh shoot, my name's not Chairface Chipendale! It's... Oh, never mind... But I made a mistake. Oh well." He shrugs and goes back to doing something else to fill his time, completley forgetting about this task.

And the moon is left with the letters CH and a part of an A in it.
Robby
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:29:43 AM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

Spike > ah, so _that's_ why you had no trouble with Solarrin's description! ; )

Adrienne > gosh, I never even _considered_ Darth Maul ... my eyes were glued to Obi-Wan the whole time! ; )

My site's supposed to be updated but Eskimo's being persnickety ... soon, I hope!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:08:58 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

CRAPCRAPCRAP!!

Sorry for the double post ... you'd think I could remember what I named my own friggin' Web pages!! Other link was a bad link ... sent to bed without supper. This is the good link.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, August 20, 1999 12:00:39 AM
IP: modem26.i-is.com

**stops fixating for a moment, still sitting on the floor**

Milady Arianna: Happy (very) belated B-Day. **hands Arianna her remote** There's still a corner of the giant Execution cake left ... pick yer flavor. :)
Oh yeah, welcome back and congrats on the new computer!! :)

Stephen: Omar the Tentmaker ... gotta remember that one ... :)

The 'Toon Girls List, the CTB version: Glad ya liked the list, Jenna ... I don't particularly care for bimbos, which is why everyone on my list has to have demonstrated that they have at least three-quarters of a working brain. :)
For those who were complaining about omissions ... I cut it off this morning when I started naming anime characters that not everyone might have heard of (in particular, Lina Inverse). The entire list is 15 characters ... as follows:
1) Angela
2) Demona
3) AndrAIa
4) L
5) Dot Matrix
6) Catwoman
7) Lina Inverse
8) Elisa Maza
9) Mouse (ReBoot)
10) Sylphiel (The Slayers)
11) Poison Ivy (Batman)
12) Harley Quinn (Batman ... believe me, she's smarter than she acts!!)
13) Jessie Bannon (Real Adventures of Jonny Quest)
14) Amelia (The Slayers)
15) ... and the one that probably only myself and Stephen are going to recognize ... Akiko Mishima (All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku).

There, the list's done. :)

Christine: Congrats!

Aaron: Key the Dog? From your description it sounds like repackaged grape Nehi (which I've actually tried on a bowl trip ... not bad stuff at all.).
Oh, and as for those bumper stickers, I could've used the "Disgruntled Employee" one today ... oyyy ... had this one customer who decided to be the ultimate queen of the uber-prom-queen-b***hes, complaining about how her friggin' power inverter had no cables with it. And the service desk girl asked me to look for a compartment they might be in on the inverter ... the customer gets snippy with me, I reply, and she goes "You don't need to get nasty with me." This after only having said three words to her. **fumes** To which I replied "I'm not. You don't get nasty with me, and I won't get nasty with you." At which point, she asked for the manager and basically called me a moron.
At about that point I was thisclose to saying "Lady, as far as I'm concerned you can take this power inverter, go around the corner and F**K YOURSELF WITH IT!!!"

**growls, fumes, then continues**

The service desk girl got creative revenge on her, though ... made her go out in a pelting rainstorm with three squallin' little kids and get her driver's license before she'd refund the money from the inverter. :)

Mary: Oh, that's terrible. I hope things resolve themselves soon ... but at the same time I hope those two guys get what's coming to them, and I'm sorry that you have to be involved in that horrible mess like you are. **hugs**

Indiana traveler: I'm not ignoring you, man. I read your posts.

Adrienne, re: leaving Rogue off my list: There's a really good reason I left her off ... you may not believe this, but I think I'm the only heterosexual man in the whole *world* who really doesn't care for Rogue as a character. She seems too one-dimensional every time I've seen her protrayal, be it in comics or on TV ... her life seems to revolve around one set of parameters:
I can't touch anyone.
I can't do it with Remy.
I'm miserable.
I'm going nuts because of this isolation.
Interesting if it's only once in a while, but on a regular basis when you don't do *anything* but focus on stuff like that, you become a static character ... which sadly Rogue has become.

Pistoff: Heh ... with my luck, one of those @$$holes will wind up being my boss one of these days. Yes, I admit it, my luck sucks *that* bad.

Fire Storm: Hey, I'll forgive ye the 125 2-liters-at-a-time Coke habit. Considering that I take a 1-liter of Pepsi with me to work every day and can stretch that to last me 8 hours ...

SJ, re: Brion Jones: Who did he play in "The Fifth Element?"

Gargoyle Swimsuit Gallery: Uhmm ... there actually *is* a page called the "Gargoyles Swimsuit Edition." Check my name link ... it's my links page, I have it linked up (mainly because I gave 'im a Rosanna bikini pic. :).

**sits back on his hands again, fixating once more on the candle's flame.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:50:28 PM
IP: modem26.i-is.com

**Moment of silence for Brion James.**

Damn. I really liked that guy. Why do we lose people like him and DeForest Kelley, yet scumbags like Jerry Springer live on and on? It's just not fair....

SJ: <Apperently, curling irons have the warning "Do not insert into any bodily orifice" on them.> Oh...my...GAWD!!! It...I...eh...uhhh...AAAAAAAACK!

Delphi: (warning labels) ROTFLMAO!!! Oh god...gonna pee my pants!...can't...breathe... ;)

And more stuff on the whole fashion/yuppie thing...

George Carlin had a good way of explaining the way our social classes work. "We have a few people who have all the money and pay none of the taxes. The middle class has little money and pays all the taxes. The poor people are there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class and keep 'em coming back to their jobs!"

And according to Jello Biafra: "Let's hear it for revolution! The kind of revolution that the people in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Nicaragua thought was impossible until they actually went out and did it. The kind that can only happen over here...when more people realize that overthrowing the rich is not just in our own best interest, it's a helluva lot of fun!!!"

Gargoyles Swimsuit Special: Yessssss! Do it! Do it! Do it! :D
Pist of the North Star - [phred@koalas.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:48:27 PM
IP: wire-9.koalas.com

RP Posts> I'll keep in mind of the suggestion next time I go gunning for Saban >:)

Gargoyles Swimsuit Special> Or whatever you want to call it, since the Garg Fan site does have an art section, why not do one? sounds like the Brooklyn Estrogen Brigade is all in favor of it :)

Brion James> sorry to hear about his passing, he was one of those under-rated supporting actors that hardly ever got the lead, but he always did stood out in the roles he played...


Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:44:05 PM
IP: uv1-52.ultravision.net

hi all!!

I baack!!hehehe
I'm at my cousin's now!
SOROW< I'm so sorry about the credit mix up, but you know seeing Brooklyn in a swimsuit wouldn't be a bad idea!! *g*

Adrienne< you think Darth Maul is hot???!! eewww... I think he is one of the ugliest things ever!

I'm gonna go now! bye!
cherry blossom
WI, US of A
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:30:37 PM
IP: 227-98.netwurx.net

Goodevening all

Robby>> great news that Ben Dunn things your work shows promise

Stephen Sabotka(sp?)Perhaps I'm just really tired but what's "Here's Your Sign"?//I'd like to know

Christine>> CONGRATS AUNTIE CHRISTINE

HAPPY BIRTHDAY XANATOS

Zath>> I think I remember where that camp is at, I left PA right after I graduated in 1980 (I miss a lot of things from PA, but I love being a long way from most of my relatives. Sooo, much better way out here without their headtrips and pressure.

indiana traveler>> speaking for myself, no your not getting ignored. It's great to see another face in here, but it's like a big family gathering, with lots of different conversations going on at once. For myself, I make comments as something strikes my fancy, and if I don't have anything interesting to say, well I just sit in the corner and pay attention to what is going on around me.(sometimes I even take notes...THE FOOL SPOUTS ALL THAT HE KNOWS: WISE MEN SOW THEIR KNOWLEDGE SPARINGLY, HOLDING IN RESERVE FOR A TIME OF NEED (oh no, now I'm qouting things from my past...Who got another piece of my sanity)

Here's some more
Actual Label Instructions on consumer goods:

On some Swann frozen dinners: Serving suggestion: Defrost.
(But it's *just* a suggestion!)

On a hotel provided shower cap in a box: Fits one head.
(really?)

On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert: (printed on bottom of the box)
Do not turn upside down. (Too late! You lose!)
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
twin Falls, Idaho
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:09:02 PM
IP: 207.14.195.117

No RP tonight. I wanna see what Wilek and the others do first before I join in. Yep, being lazy tonight. ;)

***ENTERTAINMENT NEWS*****
Well, I'll be slitting my wrists later this evening. Why such drastic measures? I have heard the most shocking, horrible news of my lifetime. Scarier than the Blair Witch Project (or *sigh* the "Sixth Sense", whichever movie got your groove on). It appears as if the DEMON HIMSELF, evil incarnate....Joel Schumacher.....is ready to helm another Batman film. Mmm hmmm. Excuse me for a moment.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you. Let it be known that if that abomination of a director gets his vile mitts on another Batman film, I shall kill him with these bare hands, the ones typing away at this keyboard. I wish I was joking. >:-(
***END ENT-NEWS****

A moment of silence, if you will, for character actor Brion James. Brion died of a heart attack recently. You may remember Brion from....well, over a hundred different film and tv roles. He was best known as Leon in "Blade Runner" ["Wake up....it's time to die!!"] or more recently in such films as the Fifth Element. I always liked the guy--he was one of the heroes of the B-movies.

Todd: The article I read about the Superman finale did not list an airdated, just that it would be airing sometime this fall. And even though Batman Beyond is apperently expanding its season to 39 episodes, I'm still pissed that they have to cancel two shows for this one.
I know that most folks in here probably don't give a rats ass about the Superman/Batman adventures, but I'm pretty upset that they're *both* ending. To be perfectly blasphemous, I personally view the Batman animated series as the best cartoon show--EVER. Yes, even more so than my beloved Gargoyles, which comes in a close second. I'm biased, I know, but I've been a Batman fan almost since birth, and probably will be for the remainder of my life. I'm a bit upset that the show is being canceled for a show that, in my eyes, while good, is an inferior product to the original. To me, it's like Gargoyles being canceled to make way for the Goliath Chronicles (only I don't view Beyond as any where near that bad). I'm terribly frustrated.

Fire Storm: Um....you can't have watched Universal Soldier 2, they've only just made it. You probably saw either one of the Cyborg movies (the original had Van Damme in it, the two sequels were nothing but direct-to-video tripe) or the even lesser valued "Nemesis" series of android films. Those flicks will still be running on the premium channels when mankind is nothing but a memory (along with Beastmaster 2. How many times has *that* movie been played on The Movie Channel? ;)

Jewel: Woodbridge?? Jaysus, that's only about a half hour drive from where I live! Cool!!!
And I continue to give you all my sympathy and well wishes with all your current "situations". I can totally sympathize with the family woes, and I hope your finances and health get better as well. :)

Warning Labels: Jewel's story reminds me of (I believe) a Hispanic woman who, not understanding the English instructions on a container of spermicidal jelly, took the stuff orally. Sheesh.
I know that this one comedian, I think his name was Bill Engvall (he's sort of like Jeff Foxworthy), used to do these "Stupid" sign jokes. The premise was that some people should be made to wear a sign announcing to the world their low level of intelligence. Like for instance, the guy who came over to buy Bill's car. He road-tested the vehicle for about half an hour, then got out and absentmindedly grabbed the *scorching* exhaust pipe, screaming "Damn that's hot!". Mmm hmm. Here's your sign, sir.
Bill did tell one really funny warning label bit about a curling iron. Apperently, curling irons have the warning "Do not insert into any bodily orifice" on them. That's sad, cause you know some dumb mofo had to have done it. But when have you, in your wildest throws of passion, ever called out: "Whoo Hooo!!! Honey, grab the curling iron!!!" ;)

Traveler: Oh my.....you seem to have inadvertently given away some of my RP plans.....hmm, I don't suppose I can kill you now......perhaps later? ;)
BTW, it's good to see you back. You should make more posts more often--or at least give us one good-and-mind-bogglingly-long post per week. Say, you know how to make some crude nerve gas? Really? Hmm....the possibilities are endless! **laughs sinisterly**

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:48:15 PM
IP: 207-172-52-38.s38.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Err.....this may not be the perfect time, but if you do send me a letter explaining what this RP stuff is in the CR, please entitle it with something catchy so I don't accidently delete it. I get a lot of mail and usually delete most of it.

Sorow(allison)- ECCH! I didn't even REALIZE that I still had my TMNT page up! So the secret is out huh? TMNT were my first cartoon I ever loved...:P....When I was in fourth grade I wrote fan-fics about them. However they were four pages long, and badly written. The characters also included me, my brother, my best pal, and Tails from Sonic the Hedgehog.

Don't ask for them.

Later as I matured into highschool my writing improved! A LOT! I finished my first gargoyle fan-fic which should be in Chris' fan-fic archive under Sarge. At the time I thought it was good....but now I hate it. :P

I then decided that maybe writing TMNT stories again was good, and I was about to..... but I realized I had to much because I write fan-fics for EVERYTHING! Gargoyles, Beast Wars, TMNT, Tank Girl, Mortal Kombat, FX-Zero Racing, Pokemon.......::sigh:: So I deleted making fan-fics for all except Beast Wars and Gargoyles.

But if I get convinced enough I might write a couple TMNT ones...

Oh. Allison in my stories was suppose to be Ralph's girlfriend.....(Ralph was my favorite turtle)

Tickle-me-Sarge! From Matel!
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:47:37 PM
IP: spider-wn012.proxy.aol.com

Shogun Raptor: $ Don't forget to contact Doug and me about our RP coordination ASAP! $ (e-mail address below).

Jonathan Frakes: He doesn't look bald to me either. Oh well, at least the beard's real. That's the sexiest thing about him IMO. <grin>
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:28:24 PM
IP: pool-207-205-235-204.dlls.grid.net

Dilbert: Two wrongs made a right.
Dogbert: Welcome to my reality.

****WARNING: YES, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY GUESSED THIS IS IN FACT, AN RP.****

Scene: In a darkened corner of the Avatar of Gannon’s recently vacated rec room, Traveler continues to pound away on a muliplayer game of StarCraft. Letting loose the occasional giggle as he continuously clicks on various units until they “get annoyed” and say something.... funny. Protoss Observer: “Zephrin Cochran, is that you?” Traveler: hehehehehheheh.... I wonder how many people got that one... hehehehhehe.... *Gets up and looks around, for the first time noticing everyone’s left the game room.* Gee, I wonder where everyone went. Hmmm.... either back out on another suicide mission, or we’re out of dip.... Nope there’s still dip, and it’s cold. I suppose I should go poke around the station and see what’s up. But first.... *opens a coded channel to CC* CC, have you parked the Boomer where I told you to yet? CC: Oh, hi Traveler. Yes it’s in place. We’re inside the firing range and the Trih Xeem is operational should we need to
use it. *Traveler nods and looks out one of the viewing windows into space where the visual outline of something is seen for a moment reflected in the sunlight then it’s gone.* Traveler: Good, now I want you to... wait what’s that? The Ignie Ferroque isn’t parked there... CC, take the Klingon Bird of Prey under cloak over to the Ferroque, then I want you to do a passive mass and thermal scan of the surrounding area. I think we might have some would-be party crashers..... heheheheheh.

****WARNING: THIS IS THE END OF THE FIRST PART OF THE RP. YOU ARE SAFE, FOR NOW.>:))****

Ramble ramble ramble, I’m a rambling man....>:)) Hello everybody!!! Hmmm.... apparently I didn’t explain this clearly enough last week... There are two “TRAVELERS” in this room now. Myself, spelled “Traveler”, and the impostor Traveler which is spelled “traveler” and sometimes referred to as “Indiana traveler” because of him listing Indiana as the state he lives in. “Indiana traveler” usually makes short posts in the default brownish color, I on the other hand always post in dark gray and use the Macbeth pic. I am slightly *snickers* insane. He does not appear to be.

>”Indiana traveler” a.k.a. “The Great Impostor”>:))- I already explained to you how long I’ve been using this user name and my stance on it a post or two ago. Apparently you missed it.

>CrzyDemona- <<BTW... always wanted to ask if your name was Trek related.>> Since you addressed it to <<Traveler>> I’ll assume you meant me since I've been here longer.>:)) As for your question, no. And if I ever get my hands on that alien..... he’s going to pay.>:]

>Paul Allen Nathans- You know I read your reply, and I just couldn’t stop laughing again. Keep it up, your infantile responses towards myself and the rest of the room amuse me so. Especially the one where you stated that you would ignore threats from Robby and all others since they accomplish nothing. Well, either you don’t care about getting kicked out of this room or your a complete whacko because Robby is the CR Administrator. HE CAN KICK YOU OUT.

>Robby- To bad you were absent from the room back when all this hub-bub started with Paul insulting me then moving on tto insult Christine... And who the heck is the guy with the glowing cybernetic eyes on the Dark Star 2???

>Jewel Faulkner- Damn. I say take the car, have her sign it over, then just refuse her existence. Take the Mercedes, sell it and get a nice used early to mid 90’s Mercury Cougar, then keep the rest of the money. Or... there’s always the IRS. You know if they receive a tip on a tax cheat and after the LENGHTY audit they find out that she was, well not only fines and possible jail time for her but the tipper gets... I think 10 percent of the amount the cheater owes the government.>:))

>Wilek- <<Nudnik, still a puppy, manages to escape into the Eyrie's ventilation system. Hudson proclaims, "There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman." He proceeds to prove it.>> MMMMUUUUAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh, oh, that was good.... hehehehehhehehe... BTW, did you get my e-mail?

>Shogun Raptor- <<you should've seen the conservative christian website that declared Jar jar "jar" Binks a tool of the devil>> WHAT?!!? You mean they were actually right about something???>:))

>Random insanity- <<What is Happy '99???>> Well, to Network Engineers and Administrators, it’s a worm that makes the bad mojo in the mail server....

>High School- Ya know it’s funny, but during my freshman year I was picked on a little bit as well, until they overheard me discussing the fine art of death by explosives and many other applications... and just how to use them in detail with one of my friends.... One of them finally asked me “Dude, so like you can build bombs and $hit?” To which I replied “ Umm, yeah child’s play, doesn’t everybody know how? I mean there’s that and you can make a crude nerve gas out of ...*omitted*.... And then their’s always the good old gas leak in the basement....” They left me alone after that for some reason.... hehehehehheehehe... I had come into my own, from that moment on, I was one of the eccentric crazies of the school.>:)) See, hobbies can be fun and useful!!!

****WARNING: THIS IS THE OTHER PART OF THE RP THAT YOU WERE WARNED ABOUT. NO, DON’T LOOK SO SURPRISED...>:))****

Scene: Traveler’s aimlessly wandering down one of the many hallways on the Avatar of Gannon looking for anyone he knows. Eventually he somehow makes his way towards the medical wing where he walks past a pale man in a red trench coat who he immediately recognizes. (Yes the same one with whom SJ just made a deal with.>::)) Traveler: Heeeyyy, how’s tricks? Oops is that SJ in there? *Traveler skids around the corner and walks into the waiting room.* *The man in the red trench coat stops dead in his tracks and whips his head around trying to confirm what he refuses to believe who his eyes just saw... but Traveler has already turned the corner in the busy hallway and cannot be seen.* (Man in the red trench): No.... it couldn’t be.... But if it is they’re in for even more trouble than I’m up to. *he then shrugs it off and continues on his way. Meanwhile in the waiting room:* Traveler: Hey SJ, havn’t seen you in awhile. What’s shaking.... oh and on the off chance, you didn’t recently make any deals with the devil? SJ: Uhh... maybe... But something else has come up. Doug, Kitainia and the Black Ravens are going to a meeting with a possible defector from Thailog’s camp. Traveler: The old walking straight into a trap eh? SJ: Yeah, Wilek told me he tried to warn them, and they knew it was a trap.... Traveler: ....but they’re heroes so they had to go anyway. Blah blah blah, and that ladies and gentlemen is one of the reasons it pays to be at *least* a semi-evil or quasi-evil mad scientist or villain, or in my case just plain pschyo-chaotic nuts. You aren’t bound by the cliché hero/super hero rules.>:)) Traveler and SJ together: “The more you know...”

****WARNING: THIS IS THE END OF THE RP. THAT IS ALL****

“Zophar, it’s time to die!!”-Hiro
*Someone’s watch alarm goes off.*
“No it’s not, it’s time for tea. Are you partial to French Vanilla?”-Zophar
Lunar XVIIII: Finite Azure: The Colors Found Only In Yarn
(The One and Only) Traveler - [traveler45@geocities.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:26:38 PM
IP: 98add371.ipt.aol.com

REALLY AWFUL CREATIVTY DEMON
(scene, Xanatos' office)
Owen: may I ask, Mr. Xanatos why you wish to see all the magical talismans, spells and artifacts that were used in your quest for immortality? forgive my presumption, but I thought you gave up that quest after Alex was born
Xanatos: whoever said I was looking for immortality? I just want to see if I can use the stuff to see if it can stop my going bald
shogun raptor
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:10:23 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

Sarge> I just went to your page. You're a big TMNT fan too? That's awesome! They were my heroes when I was young, much like Gargs are for me now. I can totally understand not wanting to post your stories or pics due to stealing... but they sound so awesome! Raph committing suicide???!!! I've *got* to see that! And who's Allison, a character you made up? I ask cause my name's Allison! (No one else spells it with two Ls like mine!)
SOROW
Thursday, August 19, 1999 09:53:06 PM
IP: usr12-dialup324.mix1.irving.cw.net

Thank goodness tomorrow's Friday! I just bought a little gargoyle snow globe out of a Halloween department, and it's soooo cute! So start looking around people! On another note, I burned my mouth on hot pizza... I'm a smart one!

Arianna> Welcome back! Your internet was taken away cause your parents bought you a computer?! That's sooooo sweet, I wish my parents would buy me a computer!

Zath> I checked out your pics...awesome! And as far as my ghetto school, about 70 percent go around (Can't Hardly Wait impression) "Class, or sex. What shall I do?" Nuff said...

Dags> Car accident? Aww man, I hope everything works out! HUGZ

Lexy> Loved your B-Day list!

Heather> You're welcome. I appreciate your kind words :)

Cherry blossom> The Garg Beauty Pageant was my idea. I just want to see Brooklyn in a swimsuit... yuuuummmmyyy!

Crzy Demona> Jonathan Frakes is bald?! He sure hides it pretty darn well!
SOROW
Thursday, August 19, 1999 09:43:10 PM
IP: usr12-dialup324.mix1.irving.cw.net

Wilek> you think the pokemon and star trek fanatics are bad, you should've seen the conservative christian website that declared Jar jar "jar" Binks a tool of the devil
shogun raptor
Thursday, August 19, 1999 09:05:55 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

WEBSITE UPDATE!
The site is almost done, thanks to the hard work of Lady Mystic. She is taking so long because she is working on about three sites right now, and oodles of pages.
Thanks, hon!

Xanatos's B-Day? Hmm...
<>WARNING! Birthday RP!<>

<Hunter Fire Storm and Bubba appear at Castle Wyvern. A man with blonde hair and a stone fist approaches the intrepid duo.>
"May I help you..." Owen lookes at the hunters carefully. "Gentlemen?"
"Yup. We's 'ere ta give Mr. Xanatos a berthday pie!" HFS exclaims. Bubba makes a few signs to Owen, and Owen raises a eyebrow.
"Indeed. One moment. I have to get ready." And Owen walks away. After a few moments, Owen returns with a young boy in his arms. Owen's features shifts into those of Puck.
"Alexander, it's time for a fun lesson. We're going to give your dad a nice birthday wish!" Puck looks at the hunters, thier eyes not blinking. "What, you've never seen a fae before?"
"Just my long lost brother." HFS speaks, blinking. Puck and Alex start floating down the hallway and the hunters follow.
"Now Alex, here's how you magicailly clone people..."

David Xanatos is going over some paperwork when there is a knock at the door. Without looking up from his papers, her speaks.
"Come in."
Puck and Alex float into the room, and Alex speaks.
"Happy berthday, Daddy!" Alex speaks, making his dad smile.
"Puck, why are you here instead of Owen?"
"Well, Davie, some people are here to give you a surprise, and I thought it would be a good time to teach Alex avout magicailly cloning people." David Xanatos looks at Puck suspiciously. "You know! The more, the merrier!" Puck turns towards the door and yells. "LET'S GO!"
HFS and Bubba, each carrying a MR. Carter, daance into the room like a chorus line, followed by 20 clones of each of them. All the hunters aim thier cannons at Xanatos when Puck yells.
"WAIT!" He snapps his fingers and a raincoat appears on Alex. He then reaches into his pocket at pulls out a very large lit candle and places it on Xanatos's desk. "Now, make a wish and blow out the candle." Puck smiles.
David Xanatos takes a deep breath and blows out the candle. As soon as the flame goes out, all the hunters fire various flavors of pie at Xanatos, covering him, and everything in the room, with pie filling. Their mission complete, they dance back out of the room.
Puck's features shift back to Owens and Alex lands on Xanatos's desk.
"Did your wish come true, Mr. Xanatos?" Owen asked with the smallest of smiles. Xanatos wiped some of the creame pie off of his face.
"No, it didn't, Owen. I still got hit with pie."
Owen turned to go and get Xanatos a towel to clean off with.

<>END BIRTHDAY RP!<>


8mm: My family rented that movie, and I kinda wanted to watch it, but more of me didn't.
BUT, my family rented Payback, and I REALLY like dark comedy's like that!

Christine: Hey, I am interested in the on-line 'zine!

Universal Soldier 2: I just saw this on one of the Showtimes Wendsday night. (I kid thee not.)
Ok... I just checked my satelite magazine, and UniSol *3* is on tonight!
(Neither of them have Jean Claude Van-Damme)

Kitania: Hey, I can respect that opinion. Thats the great thing about this country. We can all have our own opinion and not get in trouble for it.

Happy99: Oh, so it is just annoying, nothing really bad about it, just like Melissa. Ok. Notice how no REALLY destructive virui (Is that plural for virus?) make the news?

SJ: EVIL Superman? AW, MAN! I NEED to see that episode!

Lables: I still love that website that has TRUE stories of stupid criminals!

Coyote: CRANBERRY Soda? Hmm... Cranberry and Coke?
<FS Goes to the fridge and mixes a 50-50 blend of Coke and Cran-Raspberry, then drinks it.>
Interesting... but I prefer apple cider and Coke.
<Fire Storm. Probaly the only person in here that buys Coke 125 2-liters at a time.>

Fashion: Yuck. Don't get me started. For TOTAL fiction, check out the stats of your average Playboy centerfold:
5'11", 100 lbs, 36-24-36.
No freaking way.

Pistoff: <but one can of Kick would keep me vibrating like a dildo for several days>
ROFL!

Jaden: Actually, I like when companys create large manuals for thier games. I ESPECIALLY like it when company's include a story novel with thier games. Makes you REALLY feel for the characters and brings you into the universe!
Speaking of which...

<PRAISE\\GIVER OF WILL>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 08:40:58 PM
IP: t1-15.visitus.net

Wilek: Well, my ISP email is supposed to be able to access web-based email accounts and put everything into a single inbox, but the damn thing never did work right. When I was using Anti-social.com, it got to the point where I was getting ten spams for every one or two "real" messages. Outgun.com has a nice little "block sender" feature, so you can just put a block on spam senders...but then the site crashed. It's working again, so I'll probably use it and Anti-social as backups, in case koalas.com goes down--which it's done several times. I just decided to keep using the ISP service because of pure laziness. But between the three of them, I should have 24-7 email, heh...

Warpmind: Kevorkian. Nice touch. :) Oh, and I finally got a pic of Jack. I'll email it this afternoon. :)

Xanathar: Yeah, those Raiders Gang types are so annoying. I remember one afternoon, I came back from lunch and found several of the Raiders gang members being surrounded by several big black guys carrying knives and chains. I found out later that one of the Raiders dimps had gone to LA and fooled around with one of the big gang members' girlfriends. (They were either Crips or Bloods, it's been eight years, so I don't remember which they were.) So the LA guys drove all the way up here to Coos Bay to teach the Raiders guys a lesson. Heh, when the Raiders gang met a *real* street gang...well, you can imagine it was a beautiful thing to see. :)

Delphi: LOL! Those labels reminded me of one of George Carlin's bits, about a package of cookies. On one end were the words, "Open here." Carlin said, "Thank god it didn't say, 'Open somewhere else'!" Also, I've seen instructions on store-bought pizza that went like this....

1. Remove pizza from box.
2. Remove plastic wrapping from pizza before putting pizza in oven.

Dang, no wonder my pizza was always hard and shiny after I cooked it! ;)

And, finally, here's one from one of Jeff Foxworthy's routines: One of the things they told him and his wife in Lamaz (sp?) class was, "Do not have sex after the water breaks." He immediately raised his hand and said, "Somebody has actually done this, haven't they?" :)

DarkAngel: I agree completely about the facist/fashion industry and the business-attire stuff. They'll only hire you if you wear a suit to the interview, but if you can't afford the suit, you don't have a chance in hell. But...$1,000...on special?!?! Ye gods! Now I know I'll never wear a suit, as long as I live. And, <As an aside, how many people here are wearing trenchcoats? Seeing so many people who do makes me feel so... normal <grin>.> LOL! :)

Jewel: Get well soon, 'kay? And...a woman who ate spermicidal jelly? Ewwwwww! O_o Did she eat it with peanut butter? ;) Junior high was the worst for me, too, since I was one of maybe three kids in the whole school that got picked on by the other five or six hundred students. I was beat up, stabbed with pencils, taunted mercilessly when all I wanted was to get the schoolwork done and go home. Little kids can be far more cruel than most adults. I finally snapped somewhere around the end of 8th grade, and hammered a guy in PE class to a bloody pulp with a baseball bat. Then I started wearing the trenchcoat and people started leaving me alone.... ;) Sorry about all the continuing problems with your mom. You're probably right, it would be best to just stay away from her...but it would be nice to stick it to her, just once, right? ;) Well, either way, best of luck to ya. :) And about your rant--**applause** Right on!

Coyote: OK Cola? Huh, I never heard of it. Sounds interesting, though. There was a nifty one that was marketed for a while around here, produced by RC, which was called "Kick." It was like Jolt, only Kick was a citrus soda--and it was about ten times as powerful as Jolt. Jolt actually would put me to sleep, but one can of Kick would keep me vibrating like a dildo for several days. Unfortunately, Coca-Cola started marketing Surge, which was a blatant ripoff of Kick...and of course everybody bought Surge instead, and Kick just disappeared from the shelves. The really annoying thing about this is that Surge absolutely SUCKS!!!! Tastes like crap, and it won't keep me awake even if I drank a whole sixpack...and if I did that, I'd puke my guts out. ;) And about the school stuff--Jesus, the bullies picked on you and *you* were told that you needed counseling?! That's like people blaming the rape victims for being raped! What a buncha crap! I'm glad you were able to survive it, though. If there's any justice in the world, the bastards who gave you such a hard time will never amount to anything. Hopefully, they'll spend the rest of their lives pumping gas, working for some guy named Slappy who's been sniffing gasolene fumes for so long that his feet never touch the ground....

Dags: Aw, man, you got in a wreck, too? Hope you get well soon, dude. :)

The Star of David thing: SUE THEIR ASSES! SUE THEIR ASSES!

Coyote again, re "Homies": **speechless, just slaps forehead and stares at the ceiling...**

Arianna: Welcome back!

Trey: Another tricked-out hearse?? Damn, every time I come up with a good idea, I find out somebody else thought of the same thing. ;) Anyway, Cthulhu's modifications are: Lift kit, huge tires (like a monster truck, basically), 16-cylinder engine, 9-speed manual transmission (stick shift) with 3 reverse gears, six exhaust pipes on each side, 4-wheel-drive, a stereo that can make people six blocks away lose control of their bowels, and a dashboard clock that keeps accurate time. :)

Christine: (re: 'zine launching) YAY!!! And congratulations on becoming an aunt! :)

Aaron: You missed Tommy Lee Jones! Aw, damn, man! Sorry about that. And...a gang wearing...polo shirts? Ehh...ye gods! And...Key the Dog?! What the f**k?! O_o Love those bumper stickers, too, BTW. :)

Mary: Oh my god! Wh...eh...Christ, I just don't understand why some people do things like that. What the hell is wrong with them?? **hugz**

CrzyDemona: <I think some bald men are VERY sexy. ;)> Hey, I'm bald, y'know.... ;)

Zath: I know how your brother must feel about the near-broken-neck thing, I've done that a few times myself. ;) And...<Because they're hungry.> ROTFLMAO!!!! And sure, feel free to draw as many beakgirls as you like. The more, the merrier. :) Say, do you do commissions? And if so, do you charge (and if so, how much?)? You're really talented! :) Oh, and if you're looking for a trenchcoat, try looking in the thrift stores, like the Salvation Army. I got my trenchcoat there--actually, I got several trenchcoats there. The latest one is a Navy-issue trench, complete with lining that zips in for cold weather, and I got it for $2.80. :D We'll miss ya while you're on your roadtrip.

**JOYRIDE!!!**

Miriam descends the stairs and grimaces at the gore scattered across the room. "Most impressive."

"Thanks," Xanathar says, using one of the Backstreet Boys' shirts to wipe the blood off of his chainsaw.

A beeping sound comes from one of Miriam's pockets and she takes out one of her gadget and studies it. "The police are on their way."

Jack frowns. "How many?"

Pistoff looks at the device and raises his eyebrows. "Uh, I dunno. I can't count that high."

**TO BE CONTINUED...**

Adrienne: You're right, the style of the animation varied a lot. Especially in TGC. "The Journey" had pretty good animation, but "Runaways" had animation that was just as crappy as the writing. And "Seeing isn't Believing" had well-drawn animation, but the style was kinda creepy. As I've mentioned before, (long ago, when this topic came up) this particular episode had Elisa drawn with huge eyes and exaggerated curves, like Jessica Rabbit. And Goliath's head was enormous in comparison with his body in several scenes...yet in others, his head was normal size. And Elisa was sauntering around like a fifty-dollar hooker... ;)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 07:00:38 PM
IP: wire-9.koalas.com

Shool subject: I used to get teased constantly.... until I got mad and made one of the little jackasses meet the wall, then the floor.

My high school: I still have nightmares about this place: Hair in the food, cockroaches in the water fountains, more hicks than could be counted (there's a difference between good ol' country boys and hicks, BIG difference), that and the time someone leaned on a wall and it collapsed... no joke.
Jackson
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:38:52 PM
IP: lex65.kih.net

AIRWALKER - Thanks for the "Batman Beyond" info.

I was interested to note the bit about Tim Curry having been considered for the voice of the Joker before Mark Hamill got the job; I'd read about it myself once. It seems that Curry just didn't have the right voice for the job. Then Mark came along, and while the production team naturally had some initial difficulty imagining him doing the Joker, given whom Mark Hamill is most famous for playing, they signed him up once they heard the way that he delivered the Joker's laugh. (I wonder sometimes whether the Joker's "May the floss be with you" line in "Mad Love" might have been an in-joke referring to who his voice actor was, by the way).

And the "Splicers" concept does sound quite chilling. Definitely something to intrigue both Mordeau and Sevarius.

DUNGEONS & DRAGONS - I remember that show. I rather liked it - indeed, it was my favorite animated series before "Gargoyles" came along. Of course, it did have one main weakness: the fact that the protagonists' goal was to get home so that they had to keep on failing to ensure that the series would continue.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:37:24 PM
IP: 208-19-232-153.dialup-stl.primary.net

Oh,. gawd, triple post...Sorry, everyone, for being such a pain.
Wilek- Whaddaya mean, *some* women....find Darth MAul attractive? He's *HOT*, dammit! :)
Adreinne. - [beowulf2@pacbell.net]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:25:48 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Dernit, mistyped the link. WEyall, here 'tis.
Adrienne. :) - [dernit, try this. ]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:16:53 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Dark Angel- yep, I'm a girl! Oh- but what about Scully?

Coyote- Hmmm....is Elisa on your list? And..HEY! What about Poison Ivy? And Rogue, and......uhm.....

Jes' a comment on Gargs (the show) Did anyone notice that Demona's amination seemed to deviate a lot? Not that it wasn't well done...she (facial features, etc.) just seemed to look..different from show to show (check the video clip in s8 where she kisses GOliath goodbye (*snif*)....when it starts, she looks about 40, but by the time she's bidding farewell, she looks like she's 25......h'rm.

Well, Au Revoirs!

Adrienne. :) - [<-----funeeeeee site! Go! Go now! And read ALL the stories! ]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:14:53 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Hi all!!
(I'm on the comp at the library)hehehe my mommy's at work and I'm all alone in my house hehehe that means I'm going to the library on the net, yay!!

Zath< I've heard of Tastykakes and I love them, they rule!! (my pastor brings them back from PA whenever he goes home)

Jewel< I would take the car that she is offering, you, I think she thinks that you won't take it and so she offers it to you?

Wilek< you said something about a beauty pageant?? that would be soo cool!!

to everyone that is wondering still< the fundraiser is to bring Robby and Heather together!!

Lexy< I remembered what I was going to tell you on Wed. night!! I need to get that money to you!! *g* not that I could have remembered it then when we were standing on front of each other! if I see you or you see me again, I'll have to give that to you before I forget, because I am getting paid today.

to Anybody that is reading this< What is Happy '99???

Kitainia<to stay on the net with a free server you have to click on the advertisements every once in a while

"Xanatos"< happy belated B-day!!

Hound of Truth< awesome poem!! I have no clue who you are, but I sure like your poem!

Kai< I hope you get better soon!! awesome post on the nihilism thing

Delphi< I loved the labels!! *ROTFL* my cousin and I went through my kitchen and found some really funny things

I gotta go now or I'm gonna be very very late for an appointment I have. Bye Bye all!!

cherry blossom
WI, USA
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:11:40 PM
IP: wbcml.hnet.net

Ironwolf>> The show is "Dungeons & Dragons", the girls were Sheila (redhead) and Diana, and yes... they've got a cozy little fandom too. Click here for one of their main sites.

How did I know about the D&D fandom? *laughs nervously* Simple... I've done art for them.
Spike
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:10:27 PM
IP: pppt09-07.ght.iadfw.net

Green Baron> When I follow your link for the pic of Rev. Atilla, Fortune City claims "file not found" : (

SOROW> <<My justification for school being so cold... all the teachers are going through menapause >> heh heh heh, that would explain all the mood swings too. <<All I can say about my school is ...G...H...E...T...T...O...>> That's better than my high school (either of them). All you could say about it was "hick" and "football"

jewel> Your mother did all *that*?!? Words do not begin to describe my horror. She should get together with the parents of some of my friends from school, with luck they'd all end up slitting each other's throats in the night... Even if you don't take one of the cars, at least take the hood ornaments... **Evil Grin**

Delphi> You were from Lancaster? Cool, I used to go to summer camp in that area. The place was called Camp Shand Kawanis, ah the memories... : ) Personally, I always liked the jelly krimpets, the chocolate juniors, and the peanut butter kandy kakes (which I'm eating a package of right now) better than the butterscotch krimpets. Unfortunately, like you, I've only seen them in PA, so I make sure to stock up on them whenever I visit my dad. Wow, thanks for the web site. It claims I should be able to find them when I move to LA. **Homer Simpson voice** Mmmmm, Tastykakes...

Gargoyle Dreams> I had another one last night (actually it was this morning, but who cares...). This time I was in some guy's house at some kind of party, and he pulls out this big bucket of weird looking cookie sticks (kinda like those Keebler ones, only bigger and with more chocolate chips). We all start eating them and then the guy says something like "You know, the gypsy I got these from said they were cursed and would bring out your true self, but I don't believe her." All of a sudden everyone starts turning into cats and, dogs and, monkeys and, stuff. I was the only one to turn into a gargoyle. : ) I was just about to try out my wings when the phone rang and woke me up. **grrr**

Pistoff> << Did he ever tell you any good horror stories?>> Nothing more interesting than almost breaking his neck on steep, icy walkways on a regular basis (we lived in a really hilly area, unlike where I live at the moment, which doesn't have a hill for 60 miles in any direction). <<One thing I've always wondered about supermodels- why do they always look so pissed off when they walk out on that runway?>> Because they're hungry.

Cadillacs and Dinosaurs> It was an okay series. I remember liking the dinosaurs but thinking most of the human characters were pretty one dimensional.

Kaioto> get well soon

shogun raptor> <<the next unseelie war would not be led by whoever and Maeve, but rather Penn and Teller>> I don't know, Penn and Teller seem more like the trickster type. They'd probably fill Loki's position while David Copperfield led the attack. ; P

Wilek and Aaron> <<They're a couple of cops working in the NYPD>> Oh, I didn't know that (obviously: P). I only ever saw one episode of Spawn (right before my family dropped HBO) and have never read the comic. Are they in the movie (which I haven't seen yet either)? I wonder if anyone's done a crossover with gargs...

Warpmind and Pistoff> I'm glad you liked beakgirl, maybe I should draw a second so you two won't fight ; P

Wilek> <<Nudnik, still a puppy, manages to escape into the Eyrie's ventilation system. Hudson proclaims, "There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman." He proceeds to prove it.>> LOL!!!

Jenniren> <<"A Jewish boy plans to file suit this week against a Mississippi school board that declared the Star of David a gang symbol and ordered him to remove it from his clothing, a lawyer said Wednesday.">> Why does that sound like something my school would have tried to do? : (

Dags> I'm sorry to hear about your wreck.

Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka> <<Yep, the 'fashion' industry is a little biased towards people with 'normal' body type and size>> Actually, I think they're biased towards stick figures. I'm what most people would call average size, and I still can't find anything that fits. I can understand about shoes, I have strange shaped feet, but there's no reason I should have to but pants with legs that go past my toes just so I can breathe.

DarkAngel> <<I never saw a trenchcoat-wearing girl before>> Lots of girls wear trench coats. I'd probably have one too if that whole Littleton thing hadn't made all the stores yank them off the racks just when I finally got the cash for one. Oh well, I probably wouldn't be very comfortable wearing it in south Texas in the summer anyway. Maybe I'll try to find one when I move to LA, where it's colder.

Wow, I just spent nearly 3 hours catching up on the room. It seems like it fills up faster every week. Oh well, this is probably my last post for a while. The road trip starts tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be back in a week or so, but I have no idea what my net access will be like at school. Bye for now.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:06:01 PM
IP: ns10-15.viptx.net

Coyote-- and what about this gal?
Jenna
Thursday, August 19, 1999 06:04:45 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Coyote- add Desdemona to your list !
Jenna
Thursday, August 19, 1999 05:48:39 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Adrienne> The problem with work clothes is that if I don't wear them, I'll be fired. And if I'm fired, I'm out of the coop program. And if I'm fired, I won't have the added work experience for my resume. Which could then mean trouble if I want to get another job, where I'll still have to wear the friggin' work clothes anyway. Damn, I hate fascistic ideals in otherwise semi-democratic societies.

BTW, are you a girl? I ask because of the name being somewhat feminine in French, but I never saw a trenchcoat-wearing girl before... and I'd like to think that girls actually wear those too. :)

Oh, and there's probably no one more leftist than me in North America, so don't even try. :)
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Thursday, August 19, 1999 05:27:17 PM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca

Aaron - I doubt you would think Jonathan Frakes looks as good for his age if you have seen him without his wig. Yes... the man is bald. This isn't just word of mouth... I have seen it with my own eyes. Not that I mind... I think some bald men are VERY sexy. ;)

Traveler- (BTW... always wanted to ask if your name was Trek related). What did you mean by wrong picture?
CrzyDemona
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:48:08 PM
IP: mp2e12.ez2.net

Geez...you guys are living "Get Well" cards. **hugs everyone slowly** I thank you very much. I wish I colud say what happened to be but...you would understand why.

Sorow : Yes, I got your e-mail and I was happy by what you said. Thank you. That also goes to StarSinger.

Coyote : **looks at him and nods** I know...**hugs again**

Robby : I'm glad you had fun yesterday. I know you have a scanner now...**blushes slightly** can I have a picture of you ?
Oh... thanks for helping me with my homework with the metric system last night. **hugs him tightly and smiles**

Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:24:48 PM
IP: 98cb3d96.ipt.aol.com

DArk Angel- (Aack, didnae see) Trench Coats? HELLS YAH! I'm one of the only ones, too.....there were a group of senoirs that wore them to look Lawyerly and MAfioso (As in organizing stuff, not killing people) that stopped after the Littleton thing....I stopped for a week, and after got to rant at people about how disgusting the reactionary media mess is and how the press was trying to stifle individuality when they told me I wasn't showing respect for the victims.
Adrienne. :) - [beowulf2@pacbell.net]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:18:47 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Hmmm....HEI, Y'AWLL!

FASHION- Muahahahhah...YOU ASKED FOR IT! WEll, I'm not exactly skinny, but I'm not really big either...but I AM a ranting leftist feminazi....so I talk my head off about the evils of Modern Beauty Standards whenever I get a chance......MARYLIN MONROE WAS A SIZE 12! THERE ARE BILLIONS OF WOMEN THAT DONT LOOK LIKE SUPERMODELS AND ONLY EIGHT THAT DO! BARBIE IS TOO THIN TO BE ABLE TO MENSTRUATE! STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS! STAND UP FOR INDIVIDUALITY!
*ahems*
Anyways..on fashion? I'm still in high school, so perhaps I don't *need* work clothes....but my attitude is....SCREW IT! Well, sorta. My policy: if YOU like it, wear it! To hell with "in" stuff! Maybe (maybe?) I'm wierd, but I see "trendy" as a stigma......I find that local thrift and vintage stores (Aaardvarks, Out of the Closet, etc.) are often an awful lot better than anything else....most importantly, why give a **** if you don't blend in- because who wants to do that? (opinion from "the girl with the weird clothes")

HIGH SCHOOL TRAUMA- Hmmm. Goin' into sophomore year(and I've read nearly all of Christine's stuff! Bad, bad Adrienne!;))....an' it's pretty dern good! MOst teasin' occurred in elementary and Middle School.....an' now pretty much all stress comes from schoolwork....Anyways...my advice? BE YOURSLF. If the "cool" cliques don't like who you are, SCREW THEM. If you can't find your Crowd in your grade, look somewhere else, don't wallow in misery hanging out with people you don't fit with. My best friends are a year younger than me......doesn't matter. Be nice and civil, but if people give you a hard time, don't let them. (not if they're the beating-up type, though, be careful) My policy- when provoked, turn into KAt Stratford from 10 things I Hate About You. *coughs* Uhm.......well, Highschool is a bit scary at first, but it's really great. Oh, yeah- drugs are *really* easy to get, so be careful.

GAds, I NEED SOMETHING GARG-RELATED!!!
Uhm...oh, dear, I forgot your name....but what is the fund-raiser thing (I think ye use mint green or summat) that's been goin' on? Looketh kewl, but...???
Adrienne. :) - [beowulf2@pacbell.net]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:12:17 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Sorry CRZYDemona, I picked the wrong pic.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:06:11 PM
IP: proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net

Lexy-- loved your b'day party list for MR.X!! Funny! LOL!
Jenna
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:04:27 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Has anyone really been paying attention to my posts besides goliathgirl5 , xanthar, and starsinger. and speeking of goliathgirl5 and starsinger, where are they.
traveler
hobart, IN, usa
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:02:52 PM
IP: proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net

Start school next friday unh.

Star of david: this kind of reminds me of the time I showed someone a picture of bjork's tatoo[a modernized version of the norse god symbols in the shape of a circle, I ended up staying after class.

Xanathar-Do you work on that site? I've seen the picture archives before and you are right , they have way more that enough pictures. But web builders said that I need permission from someone that workes on the site or they'd sue my fat @$$. Do I need permission from that site , or did I already get it ? Thanx xanthar.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Thursday, August 19, 1999 03:58:15 PM
IP: proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net

Oversensitive Wiccan> I don't agree with the fact that they're protesting BWP, but I can understand the (faulty) reasoning behind it. It's the same for every minority that are being/have ever been villified. The fear is that if you let one jab at the group get past the censors without a fight, then some worse jab at the group will then seem normal. And down we go, down the slippery slope.

Check on the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, the Catholic League, American Atheists, etc... for examples of this behavior.

School shootings> What makes the whole deal even more ridiculous is that school violence has *decreased* in the last few years. It's just that the killings are more high profile.
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Thursday, August 19, 1999 03:53:34 PM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca

Personally, I hope a good 99.9% of these idiot newsmedia vultures end up burning in the darkest pits of hell. "Blame the video games! Blame the Movies! Blame ADND and Magic!" sheesh, makes me wish I knew how my druidic ancestors threw lightning bolts at people.......

*RP thing, clueless here, but trying* Jackson Surveys the carnage with a sadistic grin.
"Y'know, if we really want 'em to suffer.....
Jackson's eyes burn bright gold as he begins opening a portal into the darkest pit of hell.
"Uhh, plug yer ears and close your eyes, fellas. This ain't gonna be pretty...."
The most wretched, evil, depraved demon ever to crawl out of Satan's Kingdom bursts from the portal. A massive Barney begins hugging the 'Boys and singing to them.
"Since you boys like singing, here's you a new bandmate! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!"

*End pathetic attempt at this RP*
Jackson
Thursday, August 19, 1999 03:29:04 PM
IP: lex78.kih.net

Jewel> check your blood pressure too my family not only gave me an ulcer but increase it too. Like I said I separated myself form them and no ulcer (or at least it don’t bug me) and my blood pressure went down 20 units. What’s the saying stress kills?

Highschool You know peoples we might be scaring the younger clan members; yea it was hell but there were some heavenly moments too. The best time happened when I stopped caring what other people thought and listened to what I thought did what I wanted. Well that and good friends; especially the female type. I never have and never will hit a female, but as my friend said “that an admirable quality a man should never lay a hand on a women” then she went on to say “ but that doesn’t apply to me and those b*tches” well I can’t quote her as it well violate the pg rating.

BTW funny thing just happened at work a young lady is working on a proposal and asked my help for the layout. Here the funny part she swore me to secrecy. So I said shall I pinky swear. She got serious and said yes stopped and look at me funny and said “how did you know about that? I didn’t think guys did that.” My response “hey I raised a younger sister so I know all the secrets. Heck I know how to move my hands around while singing about the virtues of a Ms Lucy”. She was LOL I don’t know if it was of what I said or if she had the imaging software on in her head and was imagining me sitting on the floor singing and clapping away with my sister.

Speaking of toon babes what about ohoh I forgot the name um bobby barbarian eric cavalier presto mage uh shoot I can’t remember the other 3 oh well the red head form Advanced Dungeons and Dragons cartoon. hmm i wonder if there is fanfic.

ironwolf
Thursday, August 19, 1999 03:16:56 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-43.cha.bellsouth.net

*grins to everyone*

HEY great job!!! U all are doing a wonderful job!! *pats on back to everyone*

Its Xanatos' B-Day??? REALLY? WELL IN THAT CASE! *hands everyone party hats* ALL TOGETHER NOW!!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO XANATOS
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO XANATOS
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO XANATOSSSS
HAPPY B-DAY TO HIM!!

*looks around* ok..that could have had more feeling I think ppls..

well anyhoo ...

Top Ten Gifts given (imo) to David on his B-day

1.) Goliath- How bout a nice book..something to keep him occupied..."101 safe and happy hobbies" from the same writer that brought you "Why do I feel the need to Rule The World?: A look into ones selfesteem"

2.) Fox- umm ya..(insert your imagination here)

3.) Owen- *sighs* well..I dunno..a nice tie perhaps? Though..if he were feeling a lil puckish.. cab fair..mabey?

4.) Broadway- aww heck..im sure hed just bake him a nice b-day cake

5.) Demona- nothing fancy. Perhaps a nice exploding card, just to show him she cares.

6.) Mutants- Some DNA to toy with

7.) Elisa- A GIENT PAIR OF UNDERWEAR!! ..ah just to be funny

8.) Brooklyn- Some hair gel..he needs a new doo

9.) Lex- a free juice up on the ol' security systems

10.)His Daddy- a penny roll, though I think it would be more fun if he brought over the homemovies..


*looks at Robby* *rolls eyes* YOU would be the one to nit pick...purple ofcourse. Saiyan hair just dosnt do much for me. Thats normal..not furture Trunks to feild your next question.

Any one else want to contribute to Xantose Bday list??

*will be in later with the latest tally*





Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 02:45:47 PM
IP: milwb205-04.splitrock.net

Awww man, I've got some baaaaaaaad news. These two brothers I know, the younger one since grammar school, the other was in my biology class, did something VERY bad at their church. And their younger sister caught them doing it. I can't say the word but I'll give you two hints. 1)involves children. 2)M-o-l-e-s-t-i-n-g them. The worst part is that my dad is their father's partner at UCD. *shudders* And I used to have a crush on the younger brother! blech! We have to keep this a secret from my dad because if he knew, he would not control himself and that would ruin the business relationship. Also the sister had a nervous break down. God, I don't know what else I can possibly think or say at this point...
Mary Flanders
Thursday, August 19, 1999 02:40:09 PM
IP: ramp-1-39.ucdavis.edu

Anyone looking for new bumperstickers should check out Wherehouse Music (fka Blockbuster Music) Two of my favorites are "You're a naughty boy/girl. (They have two versions) Go to my room." And the Pistoff special: "Disgruntled Employee of the Month."

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, August 19, 1999 02:24:58 PM
IP: ppp-32.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

TODD - You wrote: [I was under the impression that "Batman Beyond" was getting 52 new episodes this coming season, rather than a mere 13, and that WB was going to start showing it on weekdays.]

BATMAN BEYOND has the green light for 39 new episodes and a straight to video movie. Also the WB is going to start showing the series on weekdays last I heard. Reruns on the weekdays and new episodes on the weekends.

There's an article up at the Comic Book Continuum on some of the developments for the new season. Click my name to get to it. One of the more interesting bits of information is that Cree Summer is going to be the voice of a recurring side-kick, described as one step short of being Robin.

(I wonder if she'll look anything like Carrie Kelly from Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS?)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, August 19, 1999 02:01:36 PM
IP: 163.new-york-08-09rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Hey there Aaron!

About Tommy Lee JOnes Taco story-- awww! you poor guy!
jenna
Thursday, August 19, 1999 02:01:31 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Aaron wanders in, blows DC away with a noisy cricket, picks himself up off the opposite wall, and pulls a cake shaped like the Eyrie Building out from under his coat.

Today is Johnathan Frakes' b-day. He looks pretty good for 47 doesn't he.

My luck officially sucks. Up the road from my office, there's a little cafe, where I get sent to pick up tacos for one paralegal or other, almost every morning. Today, one of them came in late, and decided to get his own tacos. Of course, the *one* day I don't go there is the day that Tommy Lee Jones is having breakfast there. Sigh.

The Star of David thing> Further proof that humanity if seriously f**ked up. As for gang attire, there used to be a local gang around here who wore polo shirts. I can just see those getting banned.

Fashion> Not to insensitive to larger people, but at least y'all have big 'n tall shops. You ever seen a short 'n skinny shop? Finding any clothing my size is a pain in the butt. I exist in this sort of nebulous zone between the mens and boys department.

Anime Babes> Don't forget Rallye (sp) from Gunsmith Cats. Come to think of it, the ex-KGB Colonel from GC was pretty cute too.

Robby> Yes, Cog and Sprocket are very friendly. And GD2 is out.

DarkAngel> Well, I'm not wearing either of them right now, because we're on our third straight 100 degree plus ozone action day, but as soon as it cools down, I'll be back to my usual look.

Jewel> Ahh, the ambulance ride. One of the things we hear from PI clients all the time is disbelief that they have to pay for that. Most people seem to think it's a free public service.

Coyote><<but if you had to put up with *half* of the bullcrap I had to put up with just to get an education in 7th and 8th grades, you'd understand. Believe me.)>> We do. Understand, I mean. And speaking of weird drinks, Coke test marketed a grape soda called Key the Dog around here about two years ago.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, August 19, 1999 01:56:57 PM
IP: ppp-32.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Coyote-- liked your list- been one of the few lists about who is a good looking toon without also being a bimbo list!
Jenna
Thursday, August 19, 1999 01:55:54 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Adrienne > ::hugs back:: Hey, somebody's got to be the school tramp; I sure didn't do it in real life! ; )

Jackson > LOL, if I was thin-skinned about that, I would have curled up and blown away like a dry leaf the first time someone was horrified by A Matter of Pride, my first-ever fanfic! ; )

Fashion stuff > ah, yes, the trials of the abundant ... not only is it assumed that all large women like _ugly_ fabrics, but also that they're all short and big-busted. As someone who's 5'9 and meagerly-chested ... well, it basically is torture to go clothes shopping.

Avalon Mists > deadline in one week! Hurry, hurry! ; )

'Zine stuff > talked it over with Tim and we've decided to launch the as-yet-untitled thing in January. Will be working out more details soon.

Happy news > I am an aunt! My brother Matt has produced a son to carry on the family name. Big round of applause for Dylan Matthew Atkins, who also carries on the Atkins tradition by which sons have their father's first name as their middle name. Which now means that Becca is the oldest and only girl, with one cousin and two second-cousins to boss around at future family gatherings ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 01:31:34 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Coyote>> You need to add Mouse (Reboot) to your Babes list!!!
Spike
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:52:38 PM
IP: pppt19-124.ght.iadfw.net

From Trey Palmer

Sorry for the quiet. Didn't honestly feel like I could contribute to the discussions going on.

Jewell - Not surprised in the least it happened in Mississippi. Let's here it for ignorance and failure to think through the consequences of actions (on the school board's part). <shakes head> Idiots!
Well, they set themselves up for it. And I honestly hope the B'nai Brith (spelling?) don't get involved, then it may get nasty (trained attack lawyers). Already the Christian Coalition is in on it, on the side of the kid and his family.
Strange world ain't it?

Pistoff - May I ask a favor?
In a RPG a friend of mine is running one of the characters has a tricked out hearse, similar to Cthulhu. Could you please tell me what the modifications to Cthulhu are?
Thanks in advance.
Later all.
Trey - [trey_palmer@yahoo.com]
Jackson, MS, USA
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:45:23 PM
IP: stargate.mtel.com

I've given up on retail stores as a way of making me look good. I buy things from department or chain stores for the purposes of modesty (because the clothes are cheaper there), but for looking good you need to visit your tailor. He knows just what to do to make it look like you do (and don't) have the proper things in the proper places :)
Ash
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:43:10 PM
IP: yktnsk01d01040177.sk.sympatico.ca

"bid" -- ugh-- meant "big"
Jenna again
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:17:19 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hmmmm-- the fashion industry-- yuck!!! Where 1% of body fat to considered to bid, and women try there best to be as skinny as an 11 year old, prubescent male.

Dark Angel-- totally agree with you about the class thing. I work in the back office now, and I love it because I can wear the same things over and over again and no one cares. I used to work at a place where appearance was everything, so I spent alot of my salory on clothes. Now I don't have to bother with that, and I am much happier.

About the star of David-- Did anyone notice that this happened in Georgia- where there is alot of racism still? Could this be a disguised form of racism, rearing it's ugly head in the south yet again?-- I wonder.


Jenna
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:16:31 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Greetings all...

COYOTE - Yep, the 'fashion' industry is a little biased towards people with 'normal' body type and size. I can remember once I found a pair of white denim jeans in a 46 size, and I wore the heck out of them, due to the fact I love wearing white. But, when I ask around for a similar pair, the retailers all tell me the highest a piece of clothing like that will go to is Size 44 now...

Makes me want to tell the clothiers: WAKE UP! Start considering us Big People for a change!

And, Bando, yes I agree. It's disconcerting to go out in public and not feel like Omar the Tentmaker (one of my dad's phrases) just got a little richer because of you.

DELPHI - Been listening to "Here's Your Sign"? :)

ROBBY - Cool! Keep going bud! Hope you learn a lot from Ben!

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:45:27 AM
IP: m153.ieway.com

*Arianna enters the room for the first time in a couple of weeks.*
Hey everybody! I'm back! Plus I found out why my parents took away my Internet. THEY BOUGHT ME A NEW COMPUTER FOR MY BIRTHDAY! I was actually back on-line the Saturday before last, but they wouldn't leave me alone, and they really don't like CRs. So I couldn't get back until after I went to Florida. :) So here I am!

I missed a bunch of birthdays I know of (I missed Birthday Week! I couldn't believe it!) -- and probably some I don't know of -- so, Happy Birthday to all who had them!

Let's see...Salli Elise Richardson was Elisa, wasn't she? She was on Star Trek last night. Deep Space Nine. "Second Sight". A nice ep.

Ummm...well, I haven't read the week's room yet, forget last week's...I start back to school on Monday. Got books and schedule Tuesday. They screwed up and dropped me out of Honors Politics/Economics. I've survived two years of Honors History -- I was recommended to continue. Now there is no room in the class because they let in non-Honors people, and my chances of getting in are entirely dependent on the teacher, who I don't think likes me. And if I'm getting it fixed I have to do it the first day. Lord help us. Oh, and I got AP French. There are only three people in the class, so I'm not sure I'll survive, but that's all right. :)

Well, I gotta go...I'm taking up too much space with absolutely nothing to say. :) Later!
*Arianna disappears.*
Lady Arianna of Annwn
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:34:21 AM
IP: spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com

Jenniren: Then schools would be thoroughly screwed if they were trying to eliminate all gang signs, wouldn't they? ;)

Addendum to the odd thought: What would happen ... to *us* ... if a gang chose a character from our show as a gang emblem? I mention this because of the controversy I read about in the most recent "Lowrider" about a series of toy chicano figurines called "Homies," which have been banned from Los Angeles-area supermarkets (or as the magazine said, "supermercados") because the LAPD thinks they're glamorizing the gang life (the *real* "la vida loca."). Considering that these characters have been in existence in a comic strip since the early '90's, and the creator says they're based on real people he knew growing up in LA, it's really kinda ridiculous.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:08:37 AM
IP: modem95.i-is.com

Odd thought: I wonder what would happen if gangs started using the American flag as a gang symbol... or the Statue of Liberty.

Jenniren
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:56:40 AM
IP: user-2ivf805.dialup.mindspring.com

Sorry for the double post, but I forgot a few things:

Over-sensitive wiccans: Oh, for god's sake. It's a movie. A *movie*. And to quote my ranting friend beside me: "It's called the Blair WITCH Project, not the Blair Wiccan project! Get through your..." etc, etc, etc.

Mississippi and the Star of David: Again, to quote my ranting friend beside me, "SUE THEIR ASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!" etc, etc, etc. Now, for my opinion. SUE THEIR ASSES. That, and, no offense to any Mississippi people, but is anyone surprised this happened in Mississippi?

****WARNING! RANT AHEAD****
For the love of God, people in power. Stop overreacting. Get a grip. Columbine happened, it was horrible, it's over, move on. Yes, there have been a string of shootings, etc. But what do you expect, when the media is plastering this all over the place, glorifying it in the eyes of the few nutcases out there who want to go out in a blaze of glory and take everyone ou with them. I understand that school officials now have the glare of the fifth estate on them, but, come on, do your damned job. And this goes for the parents out there more than anyone else. Pay attention to your kids and stop letting the TV raise them for you. If you do that, instead of trying to blame everyone else or not raising your kids for you, we wouldn't have a problem, would we?
****END RANT****

All better now. To quote my now non-ranting friend behind me, "Happy Jewel." etc etc etc.

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:25:25 AM
IP: 109.arlington-01.va.dial-access.att.net

**enters the room, switching out the candles. Returns to the floor again**

Heather can keep the chair until she says I can have it back. 'S fine by me.

To all those ailing (especially Heather, Kaioto, and Dags): Here's hoping you all are soon making a quick recovery.

Aaron: I don't recall ever seeing the Wyvern standard at any time, though if ya think about it there's probably going to be a dragon on it somewhere. Not only that, but people are more likely to associate with the Scottish flag than the Wyvern banner. (There's also personal reasons, too ... one of the half-thoughts about this was to honor both halves of my heritage by having one flag be Scotland's and the other be Mexico's.)

Adrienne: Welcome back to the fold.

Heather: **hugs right back** It's going to be like that for a while, there's nothing you can do but hope to move on.

Hound of Truth: Wow ... sad story there ... I wish ye the best, and like everyone else said, we're here for ye. To a certain extent, we're all friends here.

Listing attractive 'toon characters: I have one of these lists that I modified earlier this summer. Here goes ...
1) Angela
2) Demona
3) AndrAIa (ReBoot)
4) L (Men in Black)
5) Dot (ReBoot)
6) Catwoman (Batman)
7) Lina Inverse (Slayers)

Okay, I'm drifting into anime videos, so I think I'd better cut it off there. ;)

Lexy: My uncle tried to get me to do a free ISP. However, after finding out that the closest server for the ISP was a local toll call, I figured I'd rather pay $45 every three months than $70 in phone bills (knowing how long I tend to stay online) *every* month.

Kitainia: Yikes. Weird-o dream there ... and yet that McBain-ish line Xanatos said at the end almost seems like something Xanatos *would* say, too.

Pistoff: No problem, it was a miscommunication problem. I'm cool. :)
As for weird soft drinks ... my freshman year Coca Cola test-marketed a bizarre concoction called "OK Cola" on the MSU campus. This one I actually kinda liked ... would ye believe, *cranberry soda.* Too bad that OK didn't last longer than it did (exactly three months, then it faded away).

Wilek: Another brilliant Simpgoyles CD!! :)

SJ: Hmm ... sounds interesting for the Superman finale. As far as the BWP bit goes ... Jeepers H. Cookies, when are people gonna LIGHTEN UP?!?!

Jackson: Hey, nice to see ya, stick around, pull up a chair ... except this one, it's Heather's.

Robby, re: ABC's cancellation history: That only goes to prove what I've said about them so often ... Disney/ABC's executives are basically in a lifelong self-rectal exam, if ye know what I mean. :)

Fashion industry: Grrrr ... when they figure out that humongous folks (myself and Stephen, for example) want to dress in *normal* clothes rather than CIRCUS TENTS, then I will have something positive to say about fashion. The only decent, reasonably high-profile fashionable thing I've ever been able to wear was one ... you heard me, *one* ... pair of Eddie Bauer jean shorts. In fact, the outdoors stores are really the only ones that even come *close* to catering to men of our enormous size. I mean, Stephen, you're up on me, I can imagine the trouble *you* have finding clothes that you can wear that won't make you look like you're wearing half the campground.

Jewel, re: school troubles: Yeesh, your experience sounds like mine ... though I received more harassment because of my weight. And they told me that *I* was the one that needed counselling. Though I admit it did help me in the log run, ultimately I think they were aiming their crosshairs at the absolute wrong direction. Heather, Doug, Kitainia and Ravyn *sigh* can tell ya about the kind of crap I hadda go through, mainly because I was the underdog. Not only that, but in elementary school I learned a harsh lesson ... I could never fight back, because I would always be the one accused of starting everything, just because I'm the big fat f**k. I'm still bitter about that. And I swear, if any of those tormentors I had ever crosses my path, well ... they'd better hope that I'm not armed.
(Normally I'm not a violent person ... but if you had to put up with *half* of the bullcrap I had to put up with just to get an education in 7th and 8th grades, you'd understand. Believe me.)

**sits back on his hands, gazing at the candle's flame, though his memories have affected him ... a single tear rolls down his cheek**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:21:09 AM
IP: modem95.i-is.com

Hey, all. I took the day off of work because I'm not feeling well--for the second morning in a row, I woke up with a stomach ache. Arg. I think my ulcer is coming back... I should expect such things when I'm over-stressed. I hate being a grown-up. I think I wanna be 5 again.

Labels: the sad thing is that the labels are there because people have tried to do those stupid things. Remember the woman who sued the makers of a spermicidal jelly because she got pregnant--she saw the word "jelly" and thought it meant she was supposed to eat it.

Heather: I hope you're feeling better.

High Schoool Hell: I think a lot of us have been there--either elementary, junior, or high school. It was the junior high years for me, and the only way I got it to end was when I finally got sick of it and kicked one of the guys. I picked the wrong one to kick, however--I kicked the guy who was *really* *really* violent (and who now is currently in jail, and one time, when he was beating his girlfriend, his own father shot him to protect the girlfriend.) and ended up needing stitches and with a broken nose--but I got left alone after I showed up at school right after I got the stitches, when my face was still swollen and the stitches all nicely crusted over. I went to a small school that had only just started (and was the show-off magnet school for the county and DeKalb county's big prayer for getting out of a 30 year old school desegregation case), and when this all happened, it all hit the fan, because the administrators found out (and, two years into the school starting and within the first guinea-pig class, the *last* thing they needed was for something like this to get out, because the press was still kinda following the school, and harassment didn't fit the "high achievers best-and-brightest-in-the-county" profile they were selling), and the guys harassing me felt bad and suddenly realized it wasn't "all just in fun" anymore. I have to say that being ignored was the far better end of the deal. Sh*t like that really leaves a mark on you--I was just picked on, I was sexually harrassed by these jokers, and so for years I did my best to always just be ignored and was shy as all else with zilcho by way of self-esteem. The only thing that helped me, honestly, was going to the college I did--Bryn Mawr is a school that's big on personal development, and if I hadn't gone there, there's no way I would be the opinionated, loudmouthed b* I am today. ;) <snort> And even then, I still have no idea how to really act around men, because I caught so much hell at the complete wrong age.

SJ: Yup, I'm in the DC area now. Specifically, Woodbridge, Va. I work in Springfield, answering the Helpdesk phones for the Customs Dept.

Mom: Well, I thought she had only just screwed me over, but nope. The Reverend Taylor-Faulkner (yes, she is ordained, but no, she doesn't preach--I think she was ordained just for the prestege and for tax purposes) *fired* two of her agents (she owns a real estate agnecy) because they went to my big brother's wedding. And I found out that the ticket for PA was supposed to have been paid by *LAST MONTH*. I called them, and found out it had already gone into warrent, and my driver's lisence may have already been revoked. They guy I spoke to on the phone said to just send the check along with a letter explaining what happened. I'm about ready to scream. Oh, well. On the up (kinda) side, I did call all the hospitals and such about the bills from my car accident, and gave them my insurance claim number. It looks like insurance will pay most everything, although I might have to pay $2000. But if it takes out the big chunks--half of the bill from the day after, the cost of the ambulance ride (a big ouchie of almost $500) and the random bills for x-rays I had done later, me only paying $2000 will be a lot better than the $3000 I had been staring at. <ironic laugh> And to think, I wondered why my stomach was bothering me.

Thanks everyone who was supportive of the cr*p I'm going through with my mom. Ugh. I think, though, that I'm just going to tell her "thanks, but keep your damned car." and get her out of my life. <g> I don't think my stomach can take any more.

GB: I'll try to e-mail you later today.

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:09:20 AM
IP: 109.arlington-01.va.dial-access.att.net

Doug-In my opinion, you have to count the whole Series. I also say he's not a villian in the remake, but we've been through that before. I say he never was a villian, especially in the remake, but we've been through that before.
He was definitely not a villian in LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE, as it seems we both agree on?
Looking forward to your Review of LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE.

Kitainia-Everything LUNAR is better than anything FINAL FANTASY. Exception, FINAL FANTASY TACTICS, which is tied. My opinion, of course.
There's a new FINAL FANTASY Game coming out, which from a brief glimpse looks to be okay. It may be good, but I'm wondering if it'll ace FINAL FANTASY VI. I doubt it'll ace FINAL FANTASY TACTICS but it could ace the other good one. The theme's supposed to be love.
Originally, I wondered what type of love they'd be covering, then I decided they'd probably be covering all aspects. For the people who keep on thinking its boyfriend/girlfriend style, if there's not much more than in any other Game with those types of relationships, then I'm wondering whether, or not there'll be more Squaresoft bashing going on. A *lot* of people tend to think love means only boyfriend/girlfriend, and they certainly seemed to show it when the Game was announced by wondering 'who's the love interest(s) for who?' rather often.
If you know anything, don't spoil, obviously. I go by no spoiler policies, although hearing about the theme was pretty hard to miss. The only Game I started with no knowledge of what lay beyond in the past two years was XENOGEARS.
If you don't, care to speculate.
Those weren't 'evil twins', they're Dopplegangers, and they're random monsters. Not in the Ancient Ruins, but they're still random elsewhere. Did you find Leo in the Epilogue? I figured out where he was but decided I didn't want to waste time fighting through the place necessary to get to him. So I completed the Epilogue without him. If I could fix my Sega CD I'd be going to fetch him and/or starting the Epilogue again.
Zophar is arrogant. I don't know how many times he keeps on saying something like "I am Zophar, master of the world!!", or "I am Zophar, master of the universe!!". As one of my friends remarked once when beating the Game (<s are comments from me) ,"He must've said that <forget number> times by now!" Then I think he started going into a parody of those lines.
I had a blast with how he says ,"I am Zophar, master of the universe!! I will never totally be defeated!!" right before he detonates. Doug, Kitainia, what do you think of the arrogant lines, as well as the quote I'm going to give at the end of this Post!?
Will await Doug's commentary on my views on Fei's and Elly's relationship now.
Here's the Link for the Lunar Fanfiction Site.
The Library of Vane:
http://rune.simplenet.com/ghaleon/fanfic.html

Enjoy!
The LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE Remake arrives this winter.
Other Role-Playing Games you two might want to play if you haven't already. PARASITE EVE.
SUIKODEN II is coming soon. Yaaaaay!! :)

"Zophar, its time to die!!"-Hiro
"Indeed. But you shall be the first to go."-Zophar
LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 09:41:09 AM
IP: 107.morristown-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Pistoff> Ooohh. Don't get me started on the fascist... er, I mean *fashion* industry. I'm in Computer Science with a coop program (we alternate between studies and work experiences) and I had to buy 1000$ worth of clothes (on special, no less) to conform to the freakin' business suit attire. I hate those clothes with a passion.

I have a theory that the 'suit' is a mean to keep the working class in their place. How many of them have the bucks to buy these clothes? And if they don't buy them before getting the job, how are they going to get past the interview? It's a conspiracy, I tell you :).

As an aside, how many people here are wearing trenchcoats? Seeing so many people who do makes me feel so... normal <grin>. I'm the only one at my school who wears one.
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Thursday, August 19, 1999 09:40:58 AM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca

Good morning everyone
Here's something funny I recieved on email last night:
Actual label Instructions on consumer goods:

ON SEARS HAIRDRYER:: "DO NOT USE WHILE SLEEPING"
(Gee, that's the only time I have to do my hair)

On a bag of Fritos:You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. Details inside. (The shoplifter special!)

On a bar of Dial soap: Directions: Use like regular soap.
(and that would be how?)

There's more but I'll save them for later

Wilex>>no, it was virus related, we were getting cut off all the time the last week or so, and since I've cleaned it out I havn't had any warnings at all.

Skippy>>everything is working fine again, thankyou.

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Thursday, August 19, 1999 08:44:49 AM
IP: 207.14.195.146

Hi all!!

Kaioto:Your sick!,I hope you get better soon.:(

Jenniren:And I was used to being alone anyway by that time. I suppose my social skills have been messed up for life - my body language is unintelligible to most people and I seem to make certain people feel uncomfortable for reasons I cannot fathom.>>That sounds very similar to my life at school,I now also have a lot of trouble communicating with people these days almost to the point of reclusiveness.

Jenniren again:"A Jewish boy plans to file suit this week against a Mississippi school board that declared the Star of David a gang symbol and ordered him to remove it from his clothing, a lawyer said Wednesday.">>I will never understand paranoia such as this,to say that that was a stupid and uneducated is an understatement.

Pistoff/Sj:good comments on appearence.those Raider's/tracksuit types that Pistoff decribed always used too irritate me the most,always standing around trying to look cool and not giving a damn about anybody else exept themselves and their reputations,Made me wanna push 'em out a fifth story window!

Heather:Whatever happened to you sounds terrible,I won't ask you what it was But I do hope that you feel better soon*HUG*

Wilek:Nudnik, still a puppy, manages to escape into the Eyrie's ventilation system. Hudson proclaims, "There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman." He proceeds to prove it.>>*LOL*

Wilek again:Ooh...detachable limbs; removable organs, things of that sort? Heh heh heh...I love it. >:)>>Yeah!that's what I was thinking of>:)

Hound of Truth:Welcome to are little sanctuary from the horribleness of reality!

Jackson:Welcome to the TGS Comment room!:)

**THE JOYRIDE**
The Joyrider's are advancing on the two remaining Backstreet Boys,"Please don't kill us,we won't bother you again"said one of the terrified boys.

"oh you WILL die,but not just yet"said Xanathar as he produced a hammer and some large iron spikes"hold them down while I nail their arms and legs to the floor guys"

the boys are quicky crash tackled and their arms and legs are held out and a spike is hammered into each limb causing them to scream in agony.

"there that'll hold them"said Pistoff

""Now the fun really begins"said Xanathar grinning

**TO BE CONTINUED**

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Thursday, August 19, 1999 08:32:29 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

SEVARIUS JR. - Actually, I was under the impression that "Batman Beyond" was getting 52 new episodes this coming season, rather than a mere 13, and that WB was going to start showing it on weekdays.

Incidentally, when is this "Superman Finale" that you mention due to first be shown?

(It does sound good that they're ending it with another clash with Darkseid, considering that that was one of the best parts of the series).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 19, 1999 07:41:53 AM
IP: 208-19-232-151.dialup-stl.primary.net

Pardon the double post...

I just remembered something: This weekend I'll be away, I'll visit the stragest place on the plausible face of the planet, again, to get a movie OD. First, friday, it's SW1:TPM, then it'll probably be South Park: The Movie (which still hasn't reached the big screen here, God I love friends with ISDN and a lot of time on their hands), Austin Powers 2, and maybe a couple of others... Mmmmm-hmmm!

Well, gotta go. Classes... again.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:48:29 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Okay, briefly checking in...

Mary: Your place of study as a ghetto? Lucky you... come see my school, you'll be homesick by the end of the day... this has got to be the D*U*L*L*E*S*T educational institution ever.

Wilek: I asked you for links to Champions? **Blushes like a twenty-pound tomato.** Sorry. I must have meant Robby. Sorry, Robby, I didn't mean to mess up like that.

**JOYRIDE**
Warpmind stands at the cellar door, looking at the terrified Backstreet Boys remnants. He picks up a small phone-shaped notebook and starts flipping through the pages.
"Dum de dum... doctors... ah, here."
He pulls up a cellphone and dials a number swiftly.
"Yo, Doc, we got some patients for you at the Governor's Mansion in Santa Cruz... Yeah... Yep... So you're coming over? Good, but listen, you might want to give us two hours before you show up with your stuff, so that we can finish here and get out... Right... Ok, thanks, Jack."
Wilek and Xanathar stares at Warpmind.
"What the heck are you calling a doctor for? I thought you were on our side!"
"Oh, I am. I just called a doctor to take care of them when we leave."
"Oh, yeah? What doctor? Quincy?"
"Nope, not Quincy. Kevorkian. He tried to teach me everything he knew, but I never got the full grasp of that machine of his... still, he's a great guy, and he, too, holds a grudge to these kids."

The - yet - surviving Backstreet Boys look at each other in horror, as the Joyriders start closing in...
**TO BE CONTINUED**

Oh, and sorry about the Joyride RP post being longer than the rest... but I guess it kind of evens out in the end, aye?

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:30:08 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**RP!**

[Wilek encounters Doug at one of the transporters. Wilek: "I was told you wanted to speak with me?" Doug: "Yeah. We've receieved an e-mail from someone on Thailog's side. Apparently they want to defect. The other Ravens and Kit and I are going to go to Akron, Ohio to meet him; he might have some information we need." Wilek: "Kewl." Doug: "But the operative word here is 'apparently'. Either this is a trap, or Corax will be unknowingly leading Thailog's goons to us. Either way, we want to risk as few people as possible, so we need you, SJ, the Green Baron, and your respective teams to stay on the station." Wilek: "Of course."]

**END RP!**

Shogun Raptor> <<say, can I see that article about the pikachu-hating minister?>> It's down a bit, in one of my really really short posts. :)

Warpmind> <<Wilek: I'd like a few links to the Champions midi. Thanks.>> <blink> Huh? Could you possibly be thinking of Robby? <<by the way, who's Dr. Nguyen?>> He's this idiot who flamed Theresa a while back just to see how everyone would react. He was most surprised to receive so many death threats. >:)

Xanathar> <<those idea's were pretty much what I was thinking of as well only I'd have celebrity models included with are figures so that we can try are weapons on them>> Ooh...detachable limbs; removable organs, things of that sort? Heh heh heh...I love it. >:)

Coyote> <<Ideas, huh?>> Ohhh, *yes*. DM is even now working on something. (He said something about having six fresh corpses ready and requested as many Power Rangers outfits and the use of Mr. Thingy. Uh oh.)

Paul> <<I see you like using Song Titles or lines for Story Titles. Me, too>> Another one who does that? I've been using song and band names for fic titles. I already have one called This Ascension, and I hope to name one Innocence Bleeding at some point. ^_^

Jenniren> Glad your appointment went well. :) <<I got hit and my arm was broken. It hasn't been the same since - keeps developing ganglion cysts near the place it was broken.>> Ack. I hope it's not too serious. <<But I think they do have the idea that kids with big buck teeth or really big schnozzes are stupid.>> Perhaps Goofy's the cause of that? Or perhaps simply influenced by it? <<A Jewish boy plans to file suit this week against a Mississippi school board that declared the Star of David a gang symbol>> What? The Star, a gang symbol?! <sigh> More proof of an all-too-true axiom: "People ARE that stupid."

Kaioto> forgot last time> You're sick too? Hm...where's my chicken soup thrower... :P Get well soon! :D

All newcomers> Welcome! Has your sanity been confiscated? Good, good. Then we may proceed...

Adrienne> <<EBs are quite popular.....I know quite a few charas that have them (Darth MAul, for example)>> Er...what? There are women...who consider...Darth Maul...*attractive*? O_o

The Hound Of Truth> <snif> That was so sad...<<Hello, you may of been reading the work I do.>> I'm afraid I've not heard of you. Is it at the GFW? In any case, we're always here to talk to. As someone has said, in here you're never alone. :)

Lexy> Wow, we're close to our goal! ^_^

$Kitainia> <<Sounds like Pastor John has found a new associate, and Drunk Pikachu a new victim.>> Heh heh heh...I'll bet Pikachu vomit is horribly acidic; I mean the things are living storage batteries. >:) <<Wilek, I must ask that your party, Green Baron's, and SJ's stay behind. Someone will have to deal with the Phalanx invasion of Earth that will take place during our imprisonment and you three are the best candidates.>> Sure thing. :) $

Pistoff> <<I was avoiding using my ISP email because I wanted to keep it off of spam mailing lists>> Hm...you could 'screen' your e-mail using your ISP's web-mail interface (does it have one?) before downloading it. Failing that, you could list it as phred at koalas dot com' instead of the standard format, so spambots can't pick it up as easily. $<<Joyride: I've fallen behind on this, but don't hold back on my account.>> Ack, so have I. Mostly because I've been doing so much of the normal RP; I figured doing two RP and one Joyride paragraph would be taking up a bit too much space for various RPs. :} $

Delphi> <<As far a what it did the only thing I noticed was we were having a lot warnings saying that Netscape preform an illeal act and then the system would shut netscape down, and I had not been able to figure out what was causing it.>> Are you sure that didn't happen *before* you got this virus? Some of the more complex web sites can do that, or sometimes the browser (Both MSIE and Netscape do this, on my system at least) just does it by itself. More complex systems are sometimes more unstable. <<Oh, the delivery guy took them back to use for the NEXT 5 pizzas>> o_O Doesn't that violate some manner of health code?!

Lil> <<is there any pagans here?>> Um...yes, but I forget who they are (boy I'm dumb). :} <<what is all the money for?>> We're having a telethon (sorry, netethon ;) ) so Robby and Heather can meet.

Dags> ACK! Are you alright? (At least you're alive!) Is it me, or has there been a lot of people getting hurt here lately?

**JOYRIDE!**

[At Angela Davis' mansion, the Riders have just found the Backstreet Boys cowering in a corner of the basement. Xanathar: "Heh heh heh... <revs chainsaw> It's feeding time!" They try to make a break for it, rushing at our heroes (?) hoping to somehow make it back to the basement door--but their strategy is flawed, as Xanathar's chainsaw rips one of them neatly in two, spilling his intestines onto the floor. Wilek trips another one with his tail, and kicks him to death before manually eviscerating him, while Miriam takes one down with a quick and relatively clean slash to the throat, followed by a knife to the eye socket. The remaining Boys are paralyzed in terror at the violent disposal of their comrades, left to the nonexistent mercy of the team...]

**END!**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, August 19, 1999 03:53:16 AM
IP: tnt-1-187-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

*walks in, mumbling and rubbing his right arm*

well, I'm definately not in great terms with the parental units right now. Especially after that wreck I just had earlier....the piece of junk station wagon is _really_ a piece of junk now and beyond repair this time..... *sighs* oh, well....there's nothing I can really do about it now....well, I'd better go.......bye.....

*walks away and fades out at the same time*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 02:53:55 AM
IP: 216.1.24.229

****RP!!!****
Jaden felt like he had been playing that thing for days and all he had to show for it was a blister on the palm of his paw/hand. Kitainia notices him holding an arcade-game control stick.
"Hey Jaden. What happened?" she asks.
"Oh nothing, that stupid machine sort of blew up."
Confused, "How did that happen?"
He mumbles something about hitting it too hard.
"Well," she says changing the subject. "before you try another game, I have something to ask you." (about going to Akron)
****END RP!!!****
Has anyone noticed that instructions for computer and video games are getting longer. I mean I just bought StarFleet Command and the instruction booklet is over 150 pages long. Another game I have is about 200 pages. Soon you'll have to take a class to figure out how to play a game.

Jenniren-Mistook the Star of David as a gang symbol. Someone made a big mistake. I'm guessing that this is going to turn into some country wide media stories.

Kitainia-You got my e-mail right?

Lexy-We're almost at the fund mark!

Well that's all I can think of saying right now.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, August 19, 1999 02:17:54 AM
IP: cache2.avtel.net

*think I'll take a look at Loki*

Robby: You could do that, but I haven't had any for a few years anyway, truthfully, for most of my life. Ever since my older brother showed me "Pet Semetary" when I was five....

And to any who are wondering, yes I am THE Jackson, the one who's been booted out of both the GFW and s8 Chat Rooms so many times it ain't funny and the author of the super-gruesome "Reaper Pentad" and the sci-fi series "Alterverse" (link leads to my "Alterverse site, which basically has the stories and the one low quality concept sketch of Azariel I scanned so far).

Christine:Don't let people get to you. It takes a brave person to do what they feel should be done. That's why I like your work so much, you don't worry about what you write, you worry about telling a good story. And maybe I'll manage to get one of my nutty crossover ideas in in time for the art challenge (I'm not a GREAT artist, but I manage. Pretty good with cartoons)

Thailog: Airwalker's right. Goliath is serious, Thailog's not, and it's for a reason. It just makes Thailog the "darker" aspect of Goliath
Jackson
Thursday, August 19, 1999 01:15:39 AM
IP: car68.kih.net

Welcome all Newbies! Allow me the room administrator to confiscate your sanity and hold onto it for safe keeping!

RPERS/JOYRIDERS/WHATEVER- This is just a small request from the room admin... When you do an RP, could you try to make it so that your actual post is at least as long as the RP? Several people have been giving one or two line messages, followed by huge page filling RP's. I love the RP's, heck, I participate in them. But it would be nice if a bit of restraint were shown when doing them and so that more topics could actually be covered. Avoiding the "No RP only posts" rule by having a short message to get past it just doesn't seem fair to those who don't read the RPs and have to wade through them.

Spent a large ammount of time earlier tutoring Heather on the metric system... Surprisingly fun given the subject matter... Must have been the company.

Meeting Ben Dunn- Met the guy today. Seems like a nice enough guy. He said I had some skill, and if I worked at it, within a year's time, I might be publishable, which is pretty much what I had expected and hoped for. He also gave a couple of materials suggestions and such, and basically I'm gonna train my butt off drawing 2 or 3 hours a day (Which I already did anyway...) More or less, I'm gonna meet him every Monday for about an hour. What I'm going to do has yet to be established, but we'll see.

I also found out that the Antarctic Press mascots, Cog and Sprocket, are real cats! Neato.

The first Dark Ages illustration I did has now been scanned in, so thats out of the way...

Right now I'm downloading that huge 27 Meg file Roy Sato left in the other CR...

Cute male characters? Um... I think by mere necessity I need to skip this topic... But I think we've done this one before..

Entertainment news- It seems Whoopi Goldberg will be joining the cast of "Sabrina, Teenage Witch" this coming season... Sorta... She's going to be voicing a new cat character. Seems Salem is getting a girlfriend... (If they name the character Shenzi tho...)

Dragonball Z, season 3: AKA the Friaza Battle and Garlic Junior Saga, has been moved up about a week. Cartoon Network will now start showing their 50 new episodes September 6th. CR denizens beware, come September 6th, I may well develop a Dragonball Z high and talk about little else for a while... (Nah, not too likely. I've seen the eps in question uncensored and in Japanese...)

Stephen- Heck ya, apprenticing under Fred Perry would be cool, but Ben Dunn is just about as good and bedsides, my "mentor" is going to have very little influence on my actual art style. He's gonna teach me tricks and stuff tho...

SJ- $Now's probably not the greatest time to tell Kari that her brother was killed in a helicopter explosion caused by Connection Denied is it?$

Kiaoto- The remaining Unseelie as Penn and Teller? Hmm.

Cadillacs and Dinosaurs- I barely remember that. Shame it went to the same place as Pirates of Dark Water... (Lovely series PODW was... Shame it never reached the end of the series. Stupid ABC... Cancells that, Sonic, Reboot, technically Gargs...)

Jenniren- They're banning POKEMON at school? Cripes, thats... thats... Much as I hate to do it, I'm gonna quote an americanized, Sabanized version of Kullilen (Krillen) from Dragonball Z... "THIS IS NUTS!"

Lexy- When you say you like Trunks for the hair, which haircut? Short? Long? Super?

SJ- The Superman and Batman series are ending? The sad thing is, I can't say I honestly care. Batman started to stink years ago when they changed the animation style and Supes... Well, some of the Darksied episodes and the one with Mxyzsptlck and the Batman crossovers were fun but otherwise... I won't miss it that much. Pity, considering I should.

Ender's Game- I am terrified of that stupid kid from Star Wars playing the title role... Jonathan Taylor Thomas and Elijah Wood were both FAR better actors when they were little, why can't they find someone else with talent?

**RP HERE**

Aboard the Dark Star Two, the mysterious new stranger examines his stronghold. His evil, mechanical eyes glow red.
"I have chosen a good fortress here. It was worth the effort to destroy Connection Denied for it. Now, I just need to upgrade it some, wait for a few members of my oposition to be taken care of, and then... Heh heh heh..." The figure begins humming a haunting but familiar tune, but in a sinister way. "Tra la la lala..." And then he pauses.
"Hmm, I wonder if I could write my name in the moon?"
Robby
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:44:52 AM
IP: spider-wa012.proxy.aol.com

*enter Jackson, former reg of the GFW chat room, now a reg at the s8 CR and occasional visitor to the s8 chat room*

Well, I guess I should say why I came here. Mainly for one reason: The fact that RPs still happen!

Appearance: I know EXACTLY how you feel. But then I learned that I could SCARE people. Leather cot that could easily hide a weapon if I wanted to do so (which I don't, but it's all part of the image) black jeans, "tough guy" shirts, steel toed boots, hair that grows long in the back, sideburns, and teeth like a monster ensures most ppl don't come close enough to harass you, and those who are brave enough to can meet mr. wall!



Jackson
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:39:37 AM
IP: car68.kih.net

Delphi: I've had to do multiple-delivery runs before. Five or six pizzas per delivery, every 30 minutes. It's an interesting experience. I hadn't thought of re-using the boxes, though. But then, most customers grab the boxes and shut the door as soon as I give their change back, so I've never had a chance to try. ;) "OOOH, I wonder who got to use them before US???" LMAO! :)

Jenniren: The Star of David...a gang symbol?!?! Sheesh, just when you think you've heard everything.... And you're right, the fashion industry probably doesn't influence little kids, but still it's a symptom of the focus our society puts on appearence. It starts with little kids picking on anybody who is different (I got my ass kicked a lot because I was buck-toothed and wore glasses...heh, and I'm still buck-toothed and wear glasses--but the shaved head and trenchcoat is a pretty good bully deterrent ;), and the supermodel thing is a more advanced manifestation of that, as well as an example of how society tries to program us. As for the cyst, that's horrible! I know how it must feel because I've got a cyst, myself--a pilodontal one, near the tailbone. It bleeds all the time, and a couple of times it got infected and I had to have it lanced. Of course, the hospital didn't want anything to do with it at first, because I don't have enough money to pay the bill in full, and I have no medical insurance for the same reason (not enough money), but after explaining to them several times that the infection could spread to my spine, then my brain, and kill me they started to worry about a potential lawsuit, so they went ahead and lanced it. But that's all they can do, it seems, so I'll probably be stuck with it for the rest of my life. Anyway, I hope the periodic draining helps yours, but I wish they could find a way to remove the thing permanently.

Joyride: I've fallen behind on this, but don't hold back on my account. I'll jump in wherever the latest one leaves off, probably tomorrow, when I have time to think up something wicked and goofy... :)

SJ: I agree about the BWP thing. It seems that people are just dying to be offended by something. Their lives are so bankrupt that they think going off about trivial crap is the only way they can feel important, the only way they think they can give their lives a little meaning. And do you think the Wiccans who are protesting BWP actually saw the movie they're bitching about? I have a feeling that they haven't seen it, and don't intend to see it--they're just reacting to the fact that the word "witch" is in the title and it's a horror movie. This reminds me of the Christians who protested Monty Python's "The Life of Brian." They were carrying signs with phrases like "The Life of Brian is a Vicious attack upon Christianity!" The caption under a photo of this scene, in the book "The First 20 Years of Monty Python," was something like, "Yet another religious group protesting a movie they've never seen, and who have yet to learn how to work it out for themselves." It's the same thing with the Wiccans protesting BWP. They should actually watch the movie, they might find out that it's a good movie and isn't the kind of attack they're assuming it is. And then they should get a friggin' life.

And I agree about the fashion stuff. In my high school, there were several "in" crowds--yuppies (expensive, business-like attire), rednecks (ripped jeans, hickory shirts, and yellow Papé hats, and the most important accessory, SKOAL!), and the Raiders Gang (Raiders jackets, hats, and pickups that had tinted windows and were slammed down so low that they would high-center on a pack of cigarettes). I had nothing but contempt for all three groups, and all of the minor ones who dressed and acted like others in the same group just for the sake of fitting in. I just stuck with my trenchcoat, heavy work boots, and a cute little inch-long dagger dangling from my left ear. Heh, everybody thought I was some kind of goon or whacko or something...and they'd always be surprised when I knew the answer to a question in my advanced English classes. ;) I love to remind people about the whole book-vs.-cover thing. ;)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:23:12 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com

Thanks to all who recognize my existeance.....(few ever do...including my parents....)....in the few days that I have read your comments a few things came to my attention.

A. You type a lot........no offense....so do I!.....

B. There are a lot of you....so if I add all my Telnet buddies, which is 15, my AOL RP buddies which is 45 or so, my Real Life buddies which is about 40, relatives, political and celebrities... I now have to know...... a somehwat large number of people. aTAma GA iTAi n desu........

C. There is something with RPing matters within this CR. I will demand a letter explaining fully what it is because I love Role playing......

I would like to explain just a tad about myself so I can be better acquainted with this room!

I am single.

That is all.

Just kidding! I'm just a guy that loves the pen in so many ways. Of writing and drawing. I'd actually show some of my artwork if it wasn't for one problem. I need a scanner.

My writing I don't usually show because I'm paranoid of people stealing it. The few pieces that I do have are up at my web site. http://members.xoom.com/SargeMM/

That's just a bit of my self. Sounds like I'm your ordinary cartoonie, annoying, shmoo....

Sarge ( I don't have anything else funny to say)

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 11:54:13 PM
IP: spider-wd071.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP*****
SJ grabbed Kari in a giant hug. "You're alright!!! You're okay!!!"
"Of course I am," she replied, a bit chagrined. "Why wouldn't I be?"
"You don't remember? We were all inside the Devastator, getting ready to take out the engine room, when you got shot by a Borg sniper. You had to be taken to the Avatar. You...you were near death there for a while." His face lit up. "But you're all better now! Good as new!!"
"Really? I...I don't remember anything. One minute I was in the Devastator, the next I'm here with you."
"Don't worry, things are okay. The others blew up the Devastator and took out the evil Borg. We're all sort of cooling our jets here on the Avatar, recuperating."
"I see," she said. "Now if you don't mind, please leave the room."
"What? Why?"
She gave him a half-smile. "Because I'm half-naked in a hospital gown and I want to put my clothes back on. Okay?"
SJ grinned sheepishly. "Um....right. Well, after that, maybe we can see what Wilek and the others are doing, huh?"
*****END RP FOR NOW****

Kaioto: As usual, excellent social commentary about evil and nihilism. You once again show us why you are the CR sage. :) I hope you get better real soon, bro.

More Ridiculous Nonsense: Let me preface my comments by saying I have nothing against wiccans. Hell, some of us in here are wiccans. But forgive me when I say that some members of that order are reacting a little loopy. Apperently, a bunch of modern day witches are blasting the Blair Witch Project because it perpetuates the myth of the "evil witch". Jesus f'ing Christ, people!!! It's just a damn movie!!! It's not as if the makers of the BWP have some sort of grudge against wiccans or anything like that (in which case I feel the outcry would be justified), they just wanted to make a movie, and they happened to choose a witch as the basis for their story. Christ, what the hell is wrong with people nowadays? People will take offense at everything nowadays. This would be different if the filmmakers had meant to blast the wiccans, but as I see it, this is just more P.C. BS.

Pistoff: I agree that fashion can be the catalyst for a lot of social ostracization. Unfortunately, we live in a culture that places more emphasis on looking good than actually being good. I myself have experienced this; in high school, I never dressed like the "incrowd". Part of it was financial (I didn't have the money to buy the "best" fashions) but mostly I didn't want to be a damn sheep and dress like the retards who were cool based upon which article of GAP clothing they were wearing that particular day. Like you said, we are all force-fed our images of perfection. This is beautiful, this is not. This is sexy, this is not. Never does intelligence enter into the equation. Never does the internal self, the true beauty that lies within, get considered. Instead, we are told to worship the Brad Pitts and the Kate Mosses and the Jennifer Anistons of the world because we are told that they are what beauty is. If we don't look good, wear the latest fashions, blah blah blah, we are not acceptable. Our culture is pretty screwed up that way; as for if we'll ever learn from that mistake.....to be perfectly cynical, no, I don't think we ever will. Vanity for vanity's sake is here to stay. Sing after me, folks: "The Beautiful People, the Beautiful People..."
BTW, I've had that damn GAP vest ad in my head for the last week. "I'll dress you up in my love...." AAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

****SPOILERS FOR THE FINAL "SUPERMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES" EPISODES*****
Well, I'm pretty sore to see the show end, it's finale coupled with the news that the Batman series is, for all purposes, dead in the water leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I'm more than a little pissed with Bruce Timm and Paul Dini as well--they're leaving both Superman and Batman to work on Batman Beyond, and that show has only what, 13 episodes in an entire season? It's a good show--but IMO, it's NOT good enough to warrant the end of Superman/Batman. However, the finale of Supes seems to be pretty interesting.
The two parter, called "Legacy", finishes up all the Apokolips/Darkseid storylines. It opens with a planet being conquered by Parademons--led by Superman. Yep, it seems as if Kal-El has been brainwashed by Darkseid into thinking he's ol' granite faces' son. And Supes then takes it upon himself to conquer earth, making short work of the world's armies. This stands to be the most violent and dark Supes episode *ever*. You see....people finally DIE. Earth army soldiers die under Superman's attack, Parademons and Darkseid's soldiers die under Superman's attack....it's an orgy of violence, and it sounds as if the series is leaving with a bang. As the show comes to an end, Supes has returned to his righteous roots (after seemingly killing Darkseid)--but it's a very dark future ahead, as pretty much all of Earth lives in fear of him for his crimes. Sounds cool, and I'd recommend it to all you folks.
****END SPOILERS****

Ender's Game Fans: The movie is moving right along. It looks as if Jake Lloyd, aka Anakin Skywalker, will be playing Ender (I hear some groans already ;). If you Card fans want a sneek peak at the script (written by Card himself), click on my name to check out a portion of it, nice and ready for you to read.

Starship Troopers: I thought the movie was surprisingly good. It was not as good as Heinlein's original novel, mind you, but then again Heinlein's book was ripe with more ideology than action scenes. Still, the movie was fun, and I liked the Bugs. It will be interesting to see how the Starship Troopers CGI tv show (which, as most of you probably know, has some contributions from Greg Weisman) turns out.

Doug and Kitiana: Sorry to see that you guys won't be participating in the Phalanx invasion. I guess it's up to Wilek, me, GB, and anybody else who wants to join up. So, all you other guys, what next? Email me if you got some plans. :)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 11:15:23 PM
IP: 207-172-70-15.s15.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Just realized I forgot something else.

Shogun: When you can contact Doug and me, our e-mail address is below. Hope to hear from you soon.

Later,
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 10:39:29 PM
IP: pool-209-138-63-3.dlls.grid.net

Thanks everybody who gave me info on Happy 99. About two minutes after I posted it occured to me to check the Norton page.

Thanks, also, to Yahoo's virus scanning, which, as far as I can tell, prevented me from picking up the worm, if I ever had it at all.

Writer's tip for the day: When writing stories that feature a prominant Tarot Card reading as a major element of exposition...Know how to read Tarot. I just finished one for Freelance Episode 3 (guest starring Una, and other Pendragon characters), and it took me over two hours.
David G - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 10:05:26 PM
IP: pppa18-fortworthb14-1r662.saturn.bbn.com

Wilek,Xanathar,Sorow & Delphi: thank you thank you thank you thank you (^_^)

I was wondering: 1-is there any pagans here?
2-what is all the money for?
Lil
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:52:00 PM
IP: dialup-951.hip.cam.org

*Walks in turning off her cloaking device*

Hound Of truth> Where ever you may be, or if you decided to come back and see anyone responded to your comment.. Here I am. Just wanted to let you know, if you want someone to talk to, I'd be glad to listen.

I apologize that this post doesn't have anything gargoyles related, though I will post something later dedicated to it. However, hound's post made be concerned...

*yawn* Perhaps I can finaly get some sleep

"Twidle blain and Twidle brain? If it's all the same I'll play your game!"
The Disturbed Bronx Wyvern - [Bronx4me@aol.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:49:12 PM
IP: spider-tn014.proxy.aol.com

Lexy> The check is in the mail, should have it by sometime early next week :)

Dephi> go ahead and send the e-m. We'll see what happens...

Info on Happy99: As Jennrien pointed out, happy99 is a worm that attaches itself to email programs, specificly MS Outlook Express (and Outlook 97 as well I believe)It comes in the form of an attachement labeled happy99.exe If you activate it, it opens a little window that shows a computer generated fireworks display. It then attaches itself to the e-mail program and really starts wrecking havoc. The version Delphi has apparently sends out a duplicate message to any people you write to. I have heard of versions that send out messages to your whole address book.
As long as you don't open any files labeled happy99.exe you should be fine.Using web based e-mail should keep your system free as well (since no files are being exchanged) If you are running a Mac system, you are immune. Since the worm only works with MS's mail clients, if you use any other e-mail client program you should be safe.

Skippy The Klingon (and closet tech geek) - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:08:10 PM
IP: uv1-41.ultravision.net

Kitainia>cerntainly. :) Davis, California. Click my name for the webpage. :)
Mary Flanders - [<---Davis Senior High Webpage]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:04:33 PM
IP: ramp-2-1.ucdavis.edu

David G. - Here's a weblink where you can look up different computer viruses:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html

The direct link to their Happy99 entry is

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html

if you want more info about it.

*****
Wilek - [Hudson proclaims, "There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman." He proceeds to prove it.]

That I'd like to see. ROTFLMSAO again and again and again...

******
Pistoff - I don't really know whether the fashion industry has that much effect on what elementary school kids think is attractive. But I think they do have the idea that kids with big buck teeth or really big schnozzes are stupid. That sort of appearance seems to have been typecast in cartoons and kid's story illustrations. And any kid that looks too far from the norm is automatically considered fair game for harrassment. Unfortunately some people never outgrow this sort of attitude.

And you wrote [Can anything be done to stop the cysts that keep developing?]

I wish. They grow right in my wrist joint and I have to avoid doing anything where I flex my right wrist much. I've had two cysts removed, but they just grew back. The last time the doctor tried to be thorough and I had my hand in a bandage like a small cast. It looked like a paw - just little fingertips sticking out. And after the cast came off it was so stiff. It took over six months for the stiffness to be gone... and the dern cyst still grew back. So I'm trying a different approach with my current cyst. I had the doctor drain the cyst with a needle. It was full of thick yellow fluid (ugh!). The cyst is still there, but as long as I don't flex the wrist too much or lift anything like a gallon of milk with that hand, it won't build up fluid too quickly. I think it's better to periodically drain the cysts that form than to keep getting them removed, only to have them grow back. This was more than you wanted to know, wasn't it. :)

*********
I found this article in Yahoo News today:

"A Jewish boy plans to file suit this week against a Mississippi school board that declared the Star of David a gang symbol and ordered him to remove it from his clothing, a lawyer said Wednesday."

Check out the link at
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990818/ts/rights_mississippi_1.html

if you are interested. Stupidity is an amazing thing.

*********
Heather - I wish there was something I could say to make you feel better. I'm very sorry about what happened to you and I hope you make a full recovery. I doubt you'd want to talk to me since you hardly know me, but at least there are other members of this CR who you can confide in. Please keep posting and let us know if there's anything we can do.

Jenniren
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:02:41 PM
IP: user-2ivf0k5.dialup.mindspring.com

Lil>> very cool pictures, I loved Mauve and Sleipner. You are a very talented artist.

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 08:26:18 PM
IP: 207.14.200.96

Hello everyone

David G>>one my system it acted like a mole because we never recieved anything w/ happy99 that I know of and the virus sent out a second email to skippy that I never sent. the cleaner program removed two files from my hard drive and had to clean out one of the files that belows there. As far a what it did the only thing I noticed was we were having a lot warnings saying that Netscape preform an illeal act and then the system would shut netscape down, and I had not been able to figure out what was causing it. I love this new computer, but it is so much more complecated than my old 286. I've only scratched the surface in learning about this thing.

Skippy>>do you have anymore info? Would you mind if I sent a test email to you since you were able to catch it right away. I would feel much better"knowing" every thing is okay before I send out anymore emails.

Lexy>> I don't want to send emails yet so, I have two address try either one and I'll send the $ out of my check on friday cmiller@magiclink.com or cmiller16@netscape.net

Pistoff>>We had a pizza party at work today(our store is going through a remodel and on weds they are providing lunch) I thought of you while munching pizza. A local mom & pop operation delivered the pizza, and our assit. manager had them deliver 5 pizza every 30 min, so that they would be fresh for those eating in the next shift. Well, the delivery person was eco-minded, delivered the first 5, saved the boxes, then went back to make the next. Somebody asks "Where are the Boxes?" "Oh, the delivery guy took them back to use for the NEXT 5 pizzas." "OOOH, I wonder who got to use them before US???" That left everyone ROTFL.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 08:07:50 PM
IP: 207.14.200.96

Back...

Heather> I hope my e-mail reaches you :)

Hound of Truth> Welcome to our happy home! If you ever need a friendly ear or just want to hang, this is definately the place :)

Lil> Awesome pics! You're very talented!
SOROW
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 07:03:35 PM
IP: usr12-dialup266.mix1.irving.cw.net

Greg "Xanatos" B> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Ed> Thank you for clearing up that Dark Ages thing for me! I was really confused...

Doug> The McBain-Goliath thing...LOL! Would you believe me if I said I have every Simpsons ep on tape?

Wilek> How about that swimsuit competition? Yummmy ;)

Mary> All I can say about my school is ...G...H...E...T...T...O...

Jaden> Cute.

Lexy> You're welcome! Tell me when you get it in the mail.

Jenna> Welcome :)

Green Baron> You know what I always say? The QUIET ones are always the most creative... hee hee ;)

More posts in a sec...
SOROW
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 06:45:52 PM
IP: usr12-dialup266.mix1.irving.cw.net

Doug & Kitainia> You think those Simpsons creativity demons are weird? Scenario: Nudnik, still a puppy, manages to escape into the Eyrie's ventilation system. Hudson proclaims, "There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman." He proceeds to prove it.

>:)

I am warped. Real post later.
Wilek
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 06:21:03 PM
IP: tnt-2-218-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Forgot something:

Get well soon Kaioto!!!
Kitainia
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 05:16:58 PM
IP: pool-209-138-215-10.dlls.grid.net

Coyote: Sorry I misunderstood. I didn't mean to offend you, and I wasn't suggesting that you were dense. I'm not waiting for Heather to explain in detail what happened. I was just letting her know that we're here if she chooses to talk about it. :) Again, sorry for the mix-up. About Josta: I've tried this stuff, too, before I knew what the name translated as. All I can really say about it is that the translation *is* appropriate. :)

Kaioto: Good comments on nihilism, I agree. And get well soon. :)

Jenniren: So glad the dental appointment went so well. And you're right--appearences *do* matter because our society is so shallow. Everywhere you look, you see supermodels pushing the latest fashions on billboards, magazines, TV, and on and on. (One thing I've always wondered about supermodels--why do they always look so pissed off when they walk out on that runway? ;) We're constantly bombarded with images that show us what is "acceptable" and "desirable" and our perception has been warped accordingly. Hell, for a long time I couldn't even get a job because I'm not photogenic enough. I had to practically bully the manager of Pizza Hut into hiring me, and she once told me that she hadn't intended to hire me because of the way I look, but she finally realized that would've been a mistake. Stuff like that happens all the time, and yet people never learn. So many of us are rejected in one way or another because we don't look like somebody in a Loreal or Calvin Cline ad. It starts in school, with us being picked on and beat up because we don't fit the "standard" of attractiveness that society imposes on us. Fortunately, I've pretty much managed to reprogram myself so that I'm not the least bit interested in the supermodel types. Instead... **eyes Zath's "Beakgirl" picture and wiggles eyebrows...** Sorry about your car accident, too. I'm glad you weren't hurt even worse than that. Still, that's a terrible thing to happen. Can anything be done to stop the cysts that keep developing?

Heather: Oh, man...I won't ask what happened again, but it's obviously someting terrible. Whatever the situation is, I hope it gets resolved and you feel better soon. **more hugz**

Lexy: Glad you got that problem straightened out. As for the fundraising, I should be able to donate between one dollar and five. I'm not sure of the exact amount. It all depends on how much tip money I have left over after buying gas and a few groceries... :)

And once again, it seems my email has gone boobs-up. I was avoiding using my ISP email because I wanted to keep it off of spam mailing lists, but I've finally given up. From now on, my email will be the one listed below. If anybody sent me anything since last night, I can't get to it, so please send it to the new addy. Sorry about this, hopefully it won't happen again. :(
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 05:13:37 PM
IP: wire-12.koalas.com

**BEGIN SOME RP**

Kitainia enters the Avatar of Ganon's video arcade to find Ruth letting off some very inventive curses as her Drakan character is vaporized. "Sorry, Kit," the young girl says sadly, turning away from the machine. "I was about to get you the Dragon Scale Armor, but I got killed." "That's alright, Ruth," Kit replies. "You got me pretty far, I can get the armor myself later. Right now it's time for us to take you home." "What?" Ruth asks, her voice a sigh. "I've been having so much fun here!" Kit nods. "I'm afraid even all good things must come to an end. At least you'll have the memories." Ruth sighs in agreement. "I guess. Let's get going then." Kit smiles in relief. "Right. The others are waiting for us in the station's transport room."

**END RP BEFORE THE POST**

Hi everyone. Good news! Today Doug and I picked up a new computer game called Drakan. Haven't played it yet, but the graphics and storyline look totally awesome, so it should be neat. I'll give a full report on the game later, hope it lives up to its hype. :)

Paul: Thanks for explaining your feelings about Fei and Elly's relationship, I understand your opinion better now. I don't agree with it, but I do understand it. :) Good news, we finished Lunar: Eternal Blue a few seconds ago. It had a pretty good ending, hope Hiro and Lucia have a great life together on the Blue Star. :) You probably want to know what we thought of the game, so here's a brief review:

**WARNING- AHEAD ARE SPOILERS FOR SEGA CD GAME LUNAR 2**

Very cool graphics and sound, excellent gameplay. Decent story, great characters. IMO better than the story and characters in Lunar Silver Star Story Complete and most Final Fantasy games (but not 3, whose characters are just as good). Especially good development on Hiro, Ronfar, Jean, Lucia, and Ghaelon. Favorite moments include Ghaelon's last words (I liked how he realized his error in the end) as well as the whole "Pentagulia approach" bit, the karate tournament, the defeat of Omni-Zophar, and the fight in the epilogue with the party's evil twins. Least favorite moments include the early bits with Lucia (she turns out to be a very nice and interesting character, but in the beginning she's not really that at all), the arguments between Ruby and Nall (one obnoxious little dragon is funny, two made for a somewhat boring and predictable conversation), and just about any scene with Leo (I don't know about you, but I never really liked that guy. His ship was cool, but not him). Overall the game gets a 9/10, thumbs way up. :)

**END SPOILERS FOR LUNAR 2**

Welcome newcomers! Welcome back Green Baron and Zath!

Gargoyles Dreams: At least Doug's Gargs McBain dream wasn't as bad as the one I had last night. Prepare, cause here it comes. <grin>
<Scene- Nicholas Maddox, Mavis O'Connor, and all the other Unseelie in human form are grouped in a boardroom having a meeting. "And so we shall soon be taking over the world," Loki is saying. "As soon as my ship of dead man's nails is built and I find a suitable captain." "One shall be found, Laufeyson," Maddox promises. "Now the next item on the agenda..." He is interrupted as David Xanatos, Fox, and Owen suddenly break into the room, attack the Unseelie, and kick everyone's butt. The scene ends with Owen punching Maddox several times with his stone fist (which happens to be encased in an iron glove for some reason) and throwing him out a window. "Meeting adjourned, sir," he tells Xanatos. "Excellent work, Owen," Xanatos nods. "So what are we going to do now, David?" Fox asks, kicking Maeve one last time in the neck. Xanatos flashes her a smile. "Right now I'm thinking you and I should have another meeting. In bed." Fox grins.>
That's bad, isn't it? :) I've said it before, I'll say it again. Doug and I watch too much Simpsons! (But then it is our favorite cartoon next to Gargs and Animaniacs, so it can't be helped.)

Wilek: Very disturbing site you've found there. $ Sounds like Pastor John has found a new associate, and Drunk Pikachu a new victim. <"Pika-hic-chu!"> :) $

Firestorm: Good opinions. I agree with all of them, except the last. Personal gun control might work, but only if the world had fewer people willing to use guns for stupid, dangerous, and/or foolish things.

Heather: Sorry to hear you got hurt so badly. Hope you gave as good as you got, or if that's not possible, you are able to pay the offender back someday somehow. If it was an accident and there is no offender, never mind. :) Whatever happened, you have my condolences and prayers that you will be feeling better very soon.

Mary: Sounds like you attend one of the best high schools in the nation. Other schools could learn a lot from it. Mind please telling us where this school is located, so Doug and I can send our kids there when and if we have any? :)

Sarge Abernathy: Great Gargs publicity stunt. Sounds like you fit in here very well. Welcome to the CR.

Kaioto: Are you planning to be a psychologist too? Just curious, because once again you've said everything I could say about the kids-and-parents debate. Thanks. :)

Lexy: Congrats on getting back in here. Interesting to hear you're trying a free Internet Access Service. Doug and I did something like that once, but it kept cutting us off every five minutes so we went back to our more dependable pay server. Does the one you're using work any better? Hope so.

Stephen: $ Yeah, of course we're curious about your characters. There's a bit expressing that in the RP below. Hope you'll write what has happened to them very soon. $

$ Notice to all RP Players: Doug and I plan to have our characters go to Akron to meet Corax. Your characters can come along with us if you and they want to, but I wouldn't recommend it. The reason is, it *is* a trap, and we plan for it to end with the Ravens captured in their sleep by Agent Tau and Kincaid (don't worry, this is just a plot device, we have plans to free our party later. We are not bowing out of the RP!). So if you come along, you risk the same thing happening to your characters. They may also get involved in one heck of a fight. :) Wilek, I must ask that your party, Green Baron's, and SJ's stay behind. Someone will have to deal with the Phalanx invasion of Earth that will take place during our imprisonment and you three are the best candidates. Shogun, it seems your group wants to come along, and that will be perfectly okay. Just one request- can you please contact Doug and me real soon by e-mail (or I'll be on AOL IM later tonight if you have that, user name Kitainia) so we can talk about coordinating our groups' actions? Thank you. Everyone else, how you respond to this situation is your choice. Hope you make the right decisions. :) $

And that's all for now. Gotta go play Drakan. Later!!

**BACK TO THE RP**

Kit and Ruth reach the station's transport room to find the other Ravens (except for Doug, who's still looking for Wilek) waiting for them. "You're looking better, Lathrop," Kit says to the team wizard, noticing he's up and about. "Yes," Lathrop replies, leaning lightly on his staff. "I'm feeling better too." "That's good," Kit smiles, turning to Jammer. "So are we ready to go back to Chicago?" Jammer nods. "The Administrator's already beamed down our cars, they'll be waiting for us in the parking lot of the Sears Tower. We can drop Ruth off at her house, and then get on to meet this Corax guy." "Hope he's on the level," says Gubio. "If not, it could be a problem." Shap shrugs and smiles. "We can handle problems." "Yeah," Keith agrees. "I think our friends are smart, though, to not be going with us. I asked SJ if he wanted to come, but he was too busy moping over his friend Kari's condition to answer. The Schoolgirl Scouts had something else to do, Wilek probably has too much other business, and I couldn't find Jake and Jess. Wonder where they are." "I'm sure they'll turn up," Kit says. "What about Fleur and Jaden?" "Oh, right!" says Jammer. "We forgot to ask them. C'mon, Tricia!" He runs off to find the half-alien gargoyle and werewolf, his girlfriend just behind. Kit and the others watch them go, until a throat being cleared nearby interrupts them. "Excuse me," a tall stranger says, stepping into the light along with his numerous companions. "Shogun Raptor's the name. Can we talk?" "Uh, sure," says Kitainia. "What's the topic?"

**TO BE CONTINUED, END THIS BIT OF RP**
Kitainia
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 05:13:12 PM
IP: pool-209-138-215-10.dlls.grid.net

OK here we go!!!!

coyote-50.00
kaioto-26.00
lexy-10.00
Jaden-40.00
Skippy-10.00
mandi-10.00
Sorow-5.00
Thereasa-5.00
Jenniren-5.00
heather-8.00
Xanather-(approx. 18.00 us dollers)
Delphi-5.00
LawrenceS-6.00
Cherry-2.00
SomeoneS-1.00
Aaron-5.00
Jermy Ortiz/Travler-5.00
ColdS-5.00
GreenB-(unknown)
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216.00!!

GREAT JOB ppls!!!
lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:58:03 PM
IP: milwb210-02.splitrock.net

OK!! *grins* IM BACK I finally got back in! It turns out that it didnt have to do with my new server at all! I em'ed Gorbash and he said that he banned some ppl who had a similar Ip as mine a few months back..that was why I wasnt allowed in here *smiles* but he fixed it so now im back. The problem I had was that I switched over to that new Altavista free access thing. My mom wanted me to. Well..it is working..a bit slow sometimes but it works pretty well otherwise. The prob was that I didnt know that you had to switch your email addy and account befor dissing your internet providers..so I had Two of them at once..and I couldnt recive mail from anyone who emailed me from 2pm monday untill now..so if you need to re-email me PLEASE do so...my new em is

izzolexington3@yahoo.com

OK SO let me TRY and catch up here!!

Sorow- THANKS!

Delphi- For some reason I cant em you from your link. But just make a check out to Elizabeth Izzo. Do you need me to email you later for an address?

GreenBaron- *L* gee thanks! That will be more effective..i will put you down for amount unknown till I get your em with the amount ok? Em me with the em link below:)

Xanather- Yup I got it! thanks so much!

Cherry- Yes..they really are great arnt they *smiles*. Got it! see ya laterz!

Jenniren- Elizabeth Izzo. Just make out the check to that name *smilz* sorry for the trouble!

Aaron- You email me!:)

Warpmind de InzanE- WELL we are having a fundrasier for Heather and Robby. A couple in this room who havent gotten the chance to meet in person yet. They have gotton permission to see eachother this christmas, we are helping them with the plane expenses:) The minimum donation is 1.00. If you want to donate just Email me OK?

Jaden- THANKS kindly!;)

Coyote- Thank you!!

ColdStone- NO its not to late at all! Go right ahead and donate if you wish:) the minumum again is a doller and just go ahead and email me alright?? When you do we can discuss a certain script too *L*

Spacebabie- YA i have one of those lists too!

Lexington- too cute LOVE The voice!
Brooklyn- again voice..and..well..his eyes just do something for me. Nice hair too;)
Keichii- again..toooo cute
Trunks- THE HAIR definatly the hair
and ofcourse the cutest of them all Kaioto *grins* ok..he isnt animated..but..*shrugs* whatever *grins*

Heather- *hugs you again* *smiles* *slaps you five* GREAT IM so glad she changed her mind! Hope you too have lots of fun *L*

LawrenceS- THANKS!

Traveler- OH OK! sorry about that!

OK..ill post the tally next...




lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:50:53 PM
IP: milwb210-02.splitrock.net

happy 99 is not a virus but a worm. Form what i read at the norton web page it just saves itself on your computer and sends itself to whoever it can via your email. if this is wrong someone correct me but i belive this info is right, but hey i a male so according to the female i only right half of the time:)
Anonymous
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:39:10 PM
IP: host-209-214-41-11.cha.bellsouth.net

Heather if you want to talk I think everyone here will listen if you don’t because it is to personal we won’t pry. Instead if you want we can send our prays, wishes, love, etc. I don’t what you told Robby but I bet he was more in shock then anything else.

Hound of truth. This is the first post I have seen of you and the first time I have heard of you. If you want to talk we will listen and if you have stories you want read post were they are.

Jewel if you need a car well I guess you should take your mother up on it, but once (and this comes form experience) you do she will have something to hang over your head. I hate to say this but if your family life is as bad as mine you are probably better off not seeing her and excepting nothing form her. I cut myself off form part of my family and heck my ulcer cleared up I stopped loosing so much of my hair and I generally feel a lot better mentally and physically. Yea sometimes its lonely but hey that why I like this room so much. Here your never alone (hey jackal did ya hear that post more y donch ya).

Well that enough for today the only way I can keep in touch is at work (hehehe surfin on the clock) Me and my computer at home are gonna rumble to the death only one shall leave alive.


ironwolf
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:36:22 PM
IP: host-209-214-41-11.cha.bellsouth.net

Delphi, Ironwolf, Skippy, or anybody else who cares to comment> What, exactly, does Happy 99 do? My system is potentially infected, but I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. I use web based e-mail, and hardly ever save any of it to my hard-drive, which might have some effect.

I'm going to run the cleaner anyway, but I was just curious.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:33:27 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

GONE
The Hound of Truth
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:12:27 PM
IP: 207.57.117.17

Hello, you may of been reading the work I do. Some may believe that I should turn to stone like our faith full friends here, for looking back.
But you don't get it! I watch gargoyles every night because I find guidence in their tails.
I would turn to my family and ask what they say, but I do not have family, my family died, and I'm in an orphanage, my age is 16 and soon I'll be on the streets. I'll be posting a bio soon, but other then that, your in the dark.
Look, post things aabout me in here, I need your help, and maybe with you at my side, we can figure out some of the things that haunt us like a hound to the end.
But alas, I have a sickness, theat says that my end is near. So time is not of the esence, I need your hand in knoledge, and I need you to guid me.
I wish I could tell you who I am, and where I live but I must say, have you ever read the Readers digest where the poem was found, called, WHO EVER Finds this, I love you! That was me long ago.
But I say to you as a final word, I need you, and who ever sees this, I love you!
The Hound of Truth - [NOT TELLING!]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:07:56 PM
IP: 207.57.117.17

Well....I can't really say without getting graphic. I only told Robby, Coyote, Lexy, and Kaioto. I only told them because they are the closest to me...like my adopted family.
Well...**looks at everyone** I don't know what to say....**looks down, tearing up** I just feel so violated still. I couldn't sleep, eat, or anything.
**looks at Robby and Coyote and hugs them both** Robby...are you mad at me ? Because when I told you, you were...like you didn't believe me. You know I would never lie to you.
**leaves**
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 04:07:28 PM
IP: 98ae9d45.ipt.aol.com

HEI, Y'AWLL!

ON THE PAUL FIASCO- *hugs Christine* Y'know, I just realize d that since I joined tha GArg fandom way back in '96 there has ALWAYS been *someone* or other that has cropped up complaining about Christine's fics.......*nostalgic sigh*....

*catching up on backissues from last CR* Oh- it would be the Brooklyn Estrogen *Brigade*. EBs are quite popular.....I know quite a few charas that have them (Darth MAul, for example)

*hugs everyone*
Adrienne. - [bepwulf2@pacbell.net]

Wednesday, August 18, 1999 02:40:56 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Christine: Thanks for the Aiden tips and the compliment. :) Better check over the story with your trained editor's eye anyway, just in case.
Doug
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 02:13:52 PM
IP: pool-209-138-60-225.dlls.grid.net

No weird entrance or DC death today. Maybe later.

I will say Universal Soldier was better then I thought, and now that I know Van-Damme is *in* the sequel, a fact that escaped the prospectus I read on it, I'll probably go see it. But I'm rambling again.

Zath> Nah, heat doesn't really bother me. (Cold, on the other hand..) Besides, if the hotel is anything like the one we had a G99, I'll probably want my coat. As for Sam and Twitch, do you watch the Spawn animated series on HBO, or read the comic book? They're NYPD cops who seem to end up dealing with the fallout Spawn leaves in his wake. Sam's sort of a bigger, more foulmouthed version of Detective Bullock from Batman:TAS, who could probably out eat Broadway. Twitch is sort of like Owen, if they let Owen say cuttingly sarcastic things in that deadpan voice of his.

Skippy>"Can you validate my parking?" LMSorryAO

Lexy>Do I mail you or do you mail me? I was serious about sending the money.

Coyote> Did we ever see the banner of Wyvern in the show? I'd make a neat addition to your car, if we knew what it looked like.

Later.

Aaron wanders away, humming Rob Zombie's "Dragula"


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 02:06:45 PM
IP: ppp-61.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Pistoff, Wilek - My dental appointment actually wasn't bad at all. I guess the filling that needed replacing wasn't very deep. It hardly hurt at all and I didn't require novocaine - always a good thing because I can't stand that rubbermouth feeling I get from novocaine (or that dreadful *gasp* needle! 8Ţ ). So I was worried for nothing. But thanks for the good wishes.

Heather - I won't ask what happened but I hope you feel better soon.

High school was not so bad for me. It was elementary school that was the worst. But once I got braces practically all the harrassment stopped - almost immediately. My teeth stuck way out when I was little. In fact, I could suck my thumb with my teeth clenched if I were so inclined. Don't ever try to tell me that appearances don't matter. Once my teeth were within normal range people quit picking on me. In high school I was pretty much ignored, but I felt that was an improvement over the previous harrassment. And I was used to being alone anyway by that time. I suppose my social skills have been messed up for life - my body language is unintelligible to most people and I seem to make certain people feel uncomfortable for reasons I cannot fathom. This tends to make job interviews spectacularly unsuccessful. But such is life.

Jewel - I'd advise taking one of your mother's cars, but I'd also suggest taking it to a dealer (or a mechanically inclined friend) first to make sure it doesn't have hidden problems. Your mother owes it to you and I wouldn't want you driving a deathtrap around. I used to have a car which was not it great shape. It stalled in the middle of the street when I was pulling out to turn left. I got hit and my arm was broken. It hasn't been the same since - keeps developing ganglion cysts near the place it was broken. Whether you trade in one of your mother's cars or decide to use the one you get from her, it's better to have a dependable car. Even if the deathtrap never let you down, you'd always be worrying about it.

There was a recent newspaper article about Pokemon cards being banned in schools near where I live. Too many playground fights were resulting from arguments over Pokemon cards. So now teachers are confiscating the cards when they see them and holding them until the end of the school year. To me this amounts to stealing. And I wonder if it will promote a desire to break into the school and steal back the cards.

I don't think Happy99 virus spreads to your computer unless you try to open the .exe file. I've received emails with Happy99 in them. I just deleted the messages and never got the virus.

Toku Kaioto - You're sick? - and not in a good way? ;) Hope you feel better soon.

Bye.

Jenniren
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 01:16:35 PM
IP: user-2ivf1dg.dialup.mindspring.com

Whew! Quick comment here--

Christine- count me as one intrested in the the on line magazine.

Sorow! :beams: Thanks!

Kioto- liked your comments--may say some more later. Liked all your comments about nihilsm- very well,said.

That's all from this neck of the woods-- crazy here!

Pistoff--well, it always helps to look scary-- My mike looks like a biker and not lot of people mess with him.
Jenna
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 12:24:15 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

'Zine > wow! Responses just pouring in! Great! And here Tim was grousing and griping that we wouldn't get any interest. Hah! Showed him! So now we're definitely going to do it. No idea when, yet, but I will be sure to let everyone know!

Doug > d'oh! I still haven't read that; I think I just figured it would naturally be a good 'un for AvMists because I know you're a talented writer who wouldn't let me down! As for Aiden's reaction to Lex's cybernetics, it would depend on which Aiden ... the one from my stories has seen a little of it in "Future Imperfect;" she'd be worried for him and for that possible future, but she wouldn't ever think he was going to turn evil on her. She'd be more hung up on the terrible sadness of him getting so badly hurt that he'd even need implants.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 12:20:00 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

**re-enters for a moment, switching out the candles but remaining on the floor.**

Okay, okay, I'm sorry if I sounded like a jerk late last night. I wasn't thinking clearly, and was quite upset. As I stated this morning, I'm not so dense as to think y'all don't care.

Wilek: After having read the article about that minister ... I only have one thing to say: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Pardon my skepticism, but Pokemon giving a God complex?! Next thing someone's going to tell us that there's too many phallic-looking Pokemon. Good gravy, what the hell are these people smoking?!

Pistoff: I should've answered this earlier ... I stepped into the elevator drinking the stuff, the prof told me what it meant ... I finished the can and never picked up another one. (The stuff was crappy, anyway (no pun intended))

Garg-related, sorta: Another opinion I'd like on the car ... when I go to have the murals done, I'm considering having part of the motif of the car contain the Scottish flag (probably on the trunk, maybe two flying flags flanking the Cadillac crest that covers the trunk lock). I figured what the heck, the Clan came from Scotland, it'd be only right, y'know?

**gets up, sighing.** I have to work, unfortunately. Maybe more later. **sighs once more, walking out of the room**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 10:35:22 AM
IP: modem71.i-is.com

Paul: I meant he was still a villain in the remake. Forgot those last three words, thanks for reminding me. Ai yi yi.

BTW, a soliloqouy(sp?) is a long speech in a play or story by one character that explores and reveals a lot of their feelings. Hamlet's "To be or not to be" speech is a famous example. An example you might be more familiar with would be Fei and Elly's "I loved one woman (or one man)" bits at the beginning of Xenogears Disc 2.

More later.
Doug
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 10:25:42 AM
IP: pool-209-138-215-179.dlls.grid.net

Correction-Argh, I messed up again. It should've been 'the question'.
Now its really over.

Wilek Nereus-Now *that* is my opinion of a good XENOGEARS joke. Believe it or not, that actually does happen, in a way, later. In Nortune a bunch of people keep bugging Fei to use his Gear in a tournament, and since he hates fighting, and they won't listen to a polite refusal he finally yells at them to leave him alone.
Heh.

Doug-Why is Ghaleon still a villian? In the Sega CD Version of LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE it continued from the version of the original on the Sega CD, where Ghaleon did everything to avenge Dyne having supposedly perished at the hands of the Black Dragon when he went insane. So not so much was needed for Ghaleon to accept what he did was wrong and atone. In the remake, he'll need a lot more. The other continuations of the original version were the scene in the Ancient Ruins, obviously, and why Althena remained as Luna, also obviously. Either way, it does seem like Ghaleon accepted what he did as wrong. He saw how society functioned after over one thousand years without a Goddess and saw that he and the Cult of Althena were really the ones contributing to making things wrong. He saw how Hiro and his friends with their determination were helping to make life better, and finally understood he was wrong. Originally, he, in thinking he needed revenge, so no one would be sent off to perish, thought he had to supplant Althena. He realized afterwards that people really could function like Althena had wanted them to, he saw how much Hiro accomplished, and believed in them. In the case of LUNAR: SILVER STAR STORY: COMPLETE he would've seen that he was wrong for the reasons they were healing the world. He saw he was wrong and admitted it.

Fei and Elly-You forgot one scene. In the forest after Fei and Elly wake up... I think you forgot it, I'm not sure. That scene, Elly's words to Citan, and, I believe Emeralda, although I think mainly to Citan, afterwards... Then the talk on the Yggdrasil... They held romantic aspects to them. But anything before that... Both of them admitted they were just running to each other with their problems. After losing her parents did their relationship transform to genuine caring, and, of course, that would have romantic aspects to it. Romantic seems too shallow a term, though. True human compassion and caring is better, romantic usually means kissing, and such. Or just being in love, not why. That's why there were so few. Even in the discussion with Citan.
The relationship was important, I just think of saying its romantic as being very, very shallow. After Deus was dealt with, Fei went after Elly to save her, quite obviously. The world wasn't in danger then, only Elly was. And Krelian, but he was attempting to walk with God by himself.
If the planet had still been in danger, that would have been interesting to see. Fei would've probably still chosen to go after Elly, to him friends are more important than the world in general. I am also not a fan of 'one not as important as the many', by the way.
What the heck does solloliquy, or whatever, mean?
Their relationship was as important as you stated, acutally, even moreso. It represented humans supporting each other a great deal. Plus you have to include their past lives. Lacan became Grahf and attempted to obliterate everything so Elly wouldn't have to be reborn again and again only to suffer and perish... That's what he thought would happen. The helplessness as all three of the prior lives lost the people they loved and could do *nothing* about it.
There should be others, too. There might not be, but there's probably plenty of other aspects you didn't mention, don't remember, or missed and I haven't mentioned, don't remember, or missed.
As to how important the relationship between Fei and Elly is to the storyline...
I'd say 80% at least, but that's because I may have a lot of other views to other aspects of XENOGEARS, so the percentage stays the same because the other aspects are bigger. There's a great deal of life message in plenty of other aspects, and a great deal of characterization.
Fei's and Elly's relationship was very, very important, but it wasn't romantic, at least in terms of that definition. I'm just trying to say I view it as real human compassion.

Robby-Thanks for understanding. :) No problem about snapping at me, either. :)

Kaioto-I worry about generalizations because there are different people than what is viewed as the majority. I don't act self-centered in my definition of it. Critical, yes. Critical of life, yes. Hearing about all this fighting and pain and all that and the general normal way humans should supposedly live... Be interested in what so-and-so looks like, be one with the group, never laughing at yourself, or enjoying life because you'd look like a baby, having to be cool, how one should have to overcome peer pressure, judging people on their looks, or cars, fighting, hurting, selfish people... Its hard to find people out there who actually know what life really is, who try to enjoy life. I want to see other people understand life so I guess I'm becoming naturally critical. I've noticed this, but I didn't think it was getting as bad as you said it was. If it was, thanks for the one-up. Right now I'm not in a critical mood, but the next time I am, I'll have to watch it more. Thanks again.
As for my responses to the things that disgust me and why its so easy to get around them... Looks are nothing, its the personality, you don't need a group of friends, if you want friends, and some of them don't understand you, find more. If you can't laugh at yourself or do things like you could as a child without being criticized for not acting your age, that's rediculous. You're supposed to be able to enjoy life. Being cool, who cares, and even if others do, I don't care about being cool. I want to enjoy life. Peer pressure is something I'm not worried about, if someone tries to pressure me into doing something I don't want to do I just keep on refusing until I get my point across that I meant no. I also dislike having teachers talk too much about it, if I didn't need help there than they don't need to treat the whole class like they would. If I don't need help others can do as good or better. That's not bragging to those who might think it is, I'm pointing out that if I can do something so simple, others can too. People being judged by their looks is also stupid, if you don't look cool you can still be an okay person. Cars, same thing. Violence, never the answer to anything. Selfish people... That's a view applied to many people because they don't try to give support to others. As for why I think a lot of humans are selifsh, well, I'm not repeating my three-page commentary given in BREATH OF FIRE: MYRIA'S LEGACY by one of the characters, or the scene in XENOGEARS when Elly, the present one, obviously, with memories of the past Elly, Sophia, speaks to the people in Nisan. There's too much material and I have other things I wish to do.
I have my views, and they're sad ones, most likely. Doug, Kitainia, don't bother paying attention to what you've read so far in my Story, that part isn't Posted yet. Of course, you'd already know that.
It seems there are so few people who actually enjoy life.
So I get critical.

Jewel Faulkner-Another side of the dreams? Oh, yeah, great idea! And maybe this time have Christine somehow manage to aid the Resistance, and the rest of the people, into healing. Maybe heal Lexington, too. A better ending to the sad dream. The concept of her instead of Davida would be great, as I just said, and also like I just gave an example of, gives plenty of directions. Don't limit yourself to actual FUTURE TENSE canon this time, please.
I see you like using Song Titles or lines for Story Titles. Me, too, I take them off Soundtrack Names for Video Games, or lines from the actual Songs within. I still don't like that Stars of Tears was an OutTake from XENOGEARS, its only on the Soundtrack, but it is really, really cool.
The LUNAR Songs are some of the best pieces of music there are, I'm talking about the actual songs, obviously, and the XENOGEARS Songs, actual songs again, obviously, are probably the best songs there are.
I've been quoting Track Names or lines from Small Two of Pieces -Restored Pieces- as Chapter Titles in my BREATH OF FIRE Story a lot.

Doug and Kitainia-The Quote for this Post is one of my all-time favorites anywhere. I can Post it now because you're past that part of the Game, I could've yesterday, but I had another Quote I wanted to use.

"Are you watching in secret, Dyne? These children shine with your light."-Ghaleon
LUNAR II: ETERNAL BLUE
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:37:10 AM
IP: 153.morristown-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

damn nope delphi i bet it is my fault i got the happy virus 3 months ago and i thought norton got rid of it but if you just got it i bet it was form me sorry.:( email will be off for a while i have to do nasty things to my computer again sorry
ironwolf
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:14:35 AM
IP: host-209-215-8-56.cha.bellsouth.net

Goodmorning all

No time to read new comments this AM ...Waves bye as she heads out to work
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:10:57 AM
IP: 207.14.195.179

Pistoff: My apologies, I think I worded that wrong. All I was trying to say is that if you're waiting for her to go into more detail in the CR, she won't. I know everyone in here cares about her well-being, I'm not *that* dense.

Kaioto: Hmm ... good analysis, as always. :)

Wilek: Ideas, huh?
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:09:46 AM
IP: modem71.i-is.com

WARPMIND - You wrote: [You ever studied Scandinavian mythology?]

A little bit. I know the basics and a few stories but I'm not very well read in the subject.

You wrote: [This Tuesday, I think it was, the first issue of Spider-Man for about a decade appeared in the comic shelves... I am still in somewhat of a state of shock. Naturally, the shock is of the oh-goodie-can-this-be-happening-type. After all, the comic mag kicked the bucket ten years ago for a *reason*, not just on a whim. One may wonder about the sanity of reinstating a comic that has been dead for years... Of course, if there's a show? movie? coming up, well, it might sell a bit better this time.]

Spider-Man comics have been in continuious publication since the 1960's. The books however were revamped and rebooted last year on the idea that people would rather buy a Spider-Man comic that is at #1 than one that is at #446.

In fact Marvel has renumbered almost all of their books. The only books in the triple digits anymore are X-books. Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Captain America, Avengers, the Spider-titles - all of these books were recently set back to #1 in order to boost sales. And it seems to have worked too.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 09:02:20 AM
IP: 46.new-york-16-17rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Okay, this oughtta be the one to answer all questions etc. this far...

As I finished with in the previous posting:

Marina: Good lookin' fic. And welcome to our cozy little looney-bin.

Christine: You give your work far too little credit. You are a *great* author, and to smithereens with Paul. So, on another subject: How's the Black Roses book coming along? Found an interested publisher yet?

Hmmm... seems there was another high-school shooting incident that I missed... again. Sometimes it feels good not to be too interested in the goings-on in the outside world... of course, when you eventually return to this place called "reality", you'll get a few nasty surprises. Ever read... I think it's called "The Time Traveller" by Spider Robinson? Just my personal thought for the moment.

As for whether or not to have children: Well, I can control my exaggeration about becoming a father myself... but when the time comes, I'd really like to have the option.

Oooo, sudden creativity demon: When we're done with BB&Hanson in the Joyride... anybody know where Paul lives? Or is he kin to anyone in the CR? (Hehehehehehehe)

Action figures for the Joyride? Love the idea. **Digs up the little phone-shaped notebook.** Lemme see now... dang, they went broke... Well, my contacts won't do any good for that, now... but maybe someone else here...? **Looks hopefully out on the CR crew.** I can see the figures right now... Cthulhu being pushed over the floor, a Ricky Martin figure falling apart, hanging by the belt behind the car... magnificent...

Okay, this is probably not nice of me to say, but the joke's too obvious... Paul Allen Nathans: You thanked the people who tried to defend and understand you... seems to me like a typical case of "know thine enemy as thyself". :)

Um... by the way, who's Dr. Nguyen? The name rings a bell, but...

Christine: New zine? **Scribble, scribble, scribble** Workin' on a Jason Evermore Christmas Story myself, might be a nice place to start...

Yo, Sarge, you complain? MY PC is a five years old 486SX33 MHz, with no modem, no Windows, and a few upgraded things like a sound card and CD-ROM (bought second-hand, even). Don't come here complaining. Oh, and maybe you should check out your cache settings? Just a thought. By the way, there's a DOS browser called Arachne... It's all right, but the graphical bit is dreadful. Not to mention its nonexistant Java capacity. But it's relatively fast.

Zath: Oh, I managed to stay polite... I was too shocked to be anything else. Nice chick, by the way.

**Looks at term used as reference to female just a few seconds ago...** D'ohh!

Cadillacs & Dinosaurs... I seem to recall a comic on the subject... the main character was called Jack Cadillac, and rebuilt Cadillacs to run on dino dung... and there was also something about how dinosaurs had been remade from scratch... Oh, well, I might find that comic again someday...

Another thought on the Joyride action figures... Mine could be a problem... y'know, the backpack... but aside from that... hmmmm, happy, happy, joy, joy...

Ok, that's it, then.

Gotta go.

Later, everyone, old-timers and newcomers.

P.S. Has anyone noticed how this place can resemble Callahan's Place? People caring for each other etc.?
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 08:34:37 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi all!!

Kiaoto:Thank you for telling us about Lexy's server problems and for putting up her new E-mail addy.

ironwolf:I know what you mean highschool was pure torture.

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky:Happy Birthday!:)

Heather:I hope that you will feel better soon:(

Doug re McBain-Goliath:You've been watching*WAY* too much Simpsons<G>

Lil:those were great pictures and I like your website as well.

Wilek re Joyride figures:Wow those idea's were pretty much what I was thinking of as well only I'd have celebrity models included with are figures so that we can try are weapons on them(Zak Hanson strapped down to Mr Thingy for example)>:)

traveler:Click on my name,It should take you to the Station Eight archives BTW while you are there check the Avalon Archive links there's more pictures there than you will ever need:)

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 07:34:35 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

Hi, y'all. Saw 8MM with Nicholas Cage yestereve, followed by the Customers Suck site (thanks, dude). Now, I have this odd urge to write something long and violent for the Joyride... but since this is the school library computer, and it has a habit of acquiring surrounding population, I'll have to put that on hold, temporarily.

Now for some replies, ranging from last week up to the last ones today...

Wilek: I'd like a few links to the Champions midi. Thanks.

Lexy: What's these numbers you keep posting about? It may have been mentioned, but if so I've missed it.

Angie: You didn't get my "Why aren't you sharing"-joke? Why, what I hear, it's a very popular joke, along the lines of "What are you drinking/smoking, and why aren't you sharing?" Hope that cleared up your state of "Huh?" for now.

Shauntell: Nice list of Goliath's smiles. Might I suggest attempting to get a life? ;)

About X-Men (Saw them mentioned): This Tuesday, I think it was, the first issue of Spider-Man for about a decade appeared in the comic shelves... I am still in somewhat of a state of shock. Naturally, the shock is of the oh-goodie-can-this-be-happening-type. After all, the comic mag kicked the bucket ten years ago for a *reason*, not just on a whim. One may wonder about the sanity of reinstating a comic that has been dead for years... Of course, if there's a show? movie? coming up, well, it might sell a bit better this time.

Xanathar: Nice aspect of various death techniques... maybe we should give Lennox MacDuff a call and ask his opinion? :)
Oh, and I see you liked Starship Troopers, too? :)

Airwalker: Nice comments on Thor, as it could have been in "Eye of the storm". You ever studied Scandinavian mythology? The one Norse god I could have liked to see in such an event would be Brage, the peaceful one.

Marina: Good looking 'fic so far.

Gotta go now, another creature is waiting in line. More to follow.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 06:54:54 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Shogun Raptor wrote: "Scary thought> what if the remnants unseelie court were really in disguise as famous magicians? in other words, the next unseelie war would not be led by whoever and Maeve, but rather Penn and Teller."

Even scarier... what if it was "Zeigfried und Roy!"

I bet that'd make Sekhmet and her cheetahs awfully nervous. :P

:: scampers out ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 06:14:42 AM
IP: abd06cd6.ipt.aol.com

Warpmind: To be evil, or NOT to be evil...
Basicailly, I have a TOTALLY different character from Sara (MAYBE sharing the same name, though) for Broadway.
I guess you can use her, ALTHOUGH I am tempted to say no, just to be mean! ;)
Is this a single story? How is Sara in your story? (Attitude, appearance, ETC.) Can we continue this in E-Mail?
(Also, how were you able to write about her when I barely wrote anything about her in "Alone"?)

<ACKNOWLEDGE//SUBMIT>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 05:24:13 AM
IP: 216.90.45.191

Wilek: <Have I ever told you that I like the way your mind works? :)> Several times. But please, feel free to repeat it as often as you like. :D And thanks! :)
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 03:34:57 AM
IP: wire-5.koalas.com

Everyone-I'm currently making a website [eventhough I don't know how] and if anyone can tell me were I can find a truckload of gargoyle pics I would have you all in my prayers.
Oh, and in response to the person that asked if any of us had ever had a crazy idea,I was waching comedy central when thought, what if the game show VS. put two diehard gargoyles fans and greg weisman against dean devlin and two of the top disney executives[right before all three of them get joyrided,and if they win , the punishment is greater].It would be the greatest thing ever on t.v., exept for the gargoyles series itself.traveler LOL.
Enough rambling on to sleeping.Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 03:19:40 AM
IP: proxy-313.public.rwc.webtv.net

wilek> say, can I see that article about the pikachu-hating minister? I think this may be the next winner of the "you can't be serious" award, previously won by whoever was behind that site that linked Star Trek to Satan
shogun raptor
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 03:13:11 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

I meant to use this pic, smeg it all
shogun raptor
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 03:05:38 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

**RP!**

[Lathrop is just recieving a fresh bowl of sunflower seeds when he sees the familiar blue gargoyle stalk in through another door. Lathrop: "Ah. Wilek? There's something you--" He breaks off when he notices that this is not the correct Wilek--it's the Borg clone, followed by Darth Jashin and Dark Eternal. Lathrop: "Ah. My mistake. Er...if you see your brother, tell him Doug wants to speak with him. It's quite important." Borg clone: "Of course." He then leads the other two into another wing of the medical bay. Jashin and Lathrop glance at each other curiously before the former leaves the room. Lathrop: "Who in the world was *that*?"]

**PAUSE RP!**

Warpmind> <<That Dumb @$$ who entered the library: I met him on the bus when leaving home Friday! Turns out he's not such a nutso after all, it was a test! I was being exposed to a bloody test!>> Er...what? Hm...was this person's last name Nguyen...?

Xanathar> <<This machine is very similar exept it has a meat grinder for getting rid of the body>> Ah...that's something I never thought to add! Thanks for telling me about this. ^_^ $<<I hope this doesn't sound ecotistical but the more I think about this the more I like it just think of it,the Cthulhu and DeVille playsets with break apart celebrities OOHH the possibilities>> Oh, YEAH! The figure of me could come with a Mr. Thingy and a hooked knife, Miriam could come with a lightsaber, flashy thing, handgun, and remote, the hearse could come packaged with Jack Hammer and an arseload of weapons, your figure could include that dual-blade chainsaw, Warpmind's figure could come with the teleportal backpack and whatever else it is he uses, and Pistoff's figure could come with a cattle prod and...something else (I'm running out of ideas! Ack!). I should work for Hasbro. :P (Or rather, MacFarlaine Toys, as only they would produce stuff as twisted as this. >:) )$

Delphi> <<my kid's think I'm insane because I ALWAYS find something very funny in here>> Heh heh heh...trust me, friend, when you've come here long enough, you *will* be insane. This place does that to people. ^_^

Mandolin> <<You know, there are actually a lot of Power Rangers fans who'd want to beat the sh*t out of him, too, believe it or not...>> It wouldn't surprise me. The original Japanese series upon which Power Rangers was based was actually a rather deep and dramatic series. For some reason, it was perverted into the familiar travesty we all know and loathe when it was imported to the States. Did you know that the original Green Ranger was the Red Ranger's long-lost brother or something?

Paul> <<"Does one really need the power to destroy everything?"-Fei Fong Wong>> Well sure. Scenario: "Hello, we're from CyberPromotions and we have an offer--" "THAT'S IT! I AM THROUGH WITH YOU IDIOTS!" <BOOM> <muhahahaha>

Jenniren> A dental appointment? Ack. Hope it doesn't hurt *too* much.

Mary Flanders> <<Thanks, I plan to put her head on a stick in the front yard.>> Ah, the classics are always the best. ^_^ Make sure to leave most of the esophagus attached to the head; that's always a nice effect. Hm, it sounds like you live in what could be considered the ideal school. Certainly better than most of the ones in my area. Ack.

Heather> <gasp> What on earth *happened* to you?! Are you going to be alright? <considers hugging her, but fears it may hurt her even more>

Zath> <<<<Sam and Twitch, the only two cops who may have to deal with more weirdness then Matt and Elisa>> Are they anything like Sam and Max?>> Err, no. They're a couple of cops working in the NYPD (I think? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) in the Spawn universe. <<Kitty is less politically ambitious, she just wants to be worshipped as the goddess of destruction>> Ah. Perhaps she's an avatar of Shiva? <<That car reminds me of one my brother used to drive. In addition to many minor problems, it didn't have reverse.>> :O DANG. Are there really this many worthless cars out there?!! beakgirl.jpg> Kewl. ^_^

Green Baron> <<I know you're trying to make a joke, though I think you got confused. Little Tommy is six weeks old. Most babies don't like getting water poured on them like tehy do in a Baptism.>> I know, I was just being weird. ;)

SOROW> <<Let's have a Gargoyle Beauty Pagent!>> LOL!

Jewel> <stares for a long moment in horrified awe> There are no words. Between the bills thing and this whole thing with Mommie Dearest (NO WIRE HANGARS!!! ack), I am amazed and grateful that you have yet to engage in any five-state killsprees. You, miss, have incredible fortitude. <<But I wonder--what do y'all think? Should I take the car from her and trade it in? It would give her financial power, but as one of my co-workers pointed out, she did take my trust fund, so I should take the car as repayment. And even if I couldn't afford a new car anytime soon, the minivan (which is the one I would take) would be safer than the rattling deathtrap...>> I...I have no idea, actually. I don't know much about this kind of thing, although I'm sure some of the others here can help. <<all because he didn't list her as "reverend" instead of "Mrs." on his wedding invites.>> This psychopath is a REVEREND?!!! I hope someone in a position to do such things finds out exactly what she's been up to and excommunicates her or whatever. This kind of person is why the Church has such an image problem.

Doug> $<accepts cybercookie> Thank you. ^_^ A...drunk Pikachu...ROTFLMTO! :D$ McBain dream> Heh...interesting. Evokes flashbacks of 'The Simpgoyles'...heh...

Coyote> <<long story made short: the series involved a group of Japanese school boys who hold one of their female classmates hostage for a week, repeatedly rape and torture her, then seal her in a 50-gallon drum in cement to hide the evidence after they kill her>> AUGH! Ew! Ack! Ack! Ack! That's twisted! That's disgusting! That's...oh Mr. Disconnect...<<Vass he speakink in a bad Cherman accent, az vell?>> McBaine's accent was supposed to be German? I always thought it was Russian. Dopey moi. ^_^ <<The circumstances are extremely personal in nature, and Heather has asked that it not be discussed in a public forum.>> Ah. Then I'll ask about it no more, and simply offer my hopes that things will improve.

$Skippy> Impressive work there. ^_^ <<Comitiee for Asthetic Deletions>> LOL! I have to remember that one. <<BFG 9000 Mega-disruptor>> Have you seen the new 10000 model?$

Pistoff> <<I didn't get beat up all the time is because people were afraid I'd start doing weird $h!t like nailing dead possums to their front doors...>> Have I ever told you that I like the way your mind works? :)

SJ> <<What the HELL was that article about?>> That's what I'm still trying to figure out. I mean, the guy started getting concerned when he heard of two Pokemon called Abra and Cadabra? He's up in arms because a Pokemon site has a link to a Dungeons and Dragons site? I can't even begin to name all the cerebral malfunctions this guy has committed. And I do believe he was brainwashing his young audience; that bit of this whole thing is what really gave me the chills. I would suggest sterilizing this micro-brained sociopath in the interest of future generations, but it's not just his own family he's corrupting so it might be too late. O_o'

Lil> Kewl pics. ^_^

**RESUME RP!**

[In the second ward, the Borg clone of Wilek finds one of the medical assistants, this one being a Codru-Ji. "Take a blood sample from Jashin here and send it, and him, to the Administrator at once. I have something to attend to." With that, the Borg leaves and silently requests Wilek's location from the computer systems.

That location happens to be his quarters, where he's on the computer terminal familiarizing himself with starship recongnition protocols, when he hears the door open of its own volition. Wilek (thinks): ~Eh? Did I forget to lock that?~ He then steps into the main room (these quarters are basically three-room apartments), to see a familiar gargoyle standing in the shadows. Wilek: "DM, how did you get in here?" "Wrong brother, brother." The Borg clone steps into the light. Wilek: "Who the--?!" "I'll explain later. I suggest you find your friend Doug; it seems urgent." Wilek: "Um...sure..." With that, both Wileks leave the room, one to find Doug, the other to return to his mistress.]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 03:05:17 AM
IP: tnt-3-70-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

*begin RP* the deadly seven have taken off and hooked up the original sin to the docking bay of the avatar of Ganon and since then, Firewater had returned to Cybertron, Blackwing however opted to stay with the deadly seven, due to Shogun giving him a generous share of the profits from the waspinator job, that and the fact the pay is better than anything he was ever involved in before, meanwhile, Doc was tending to a battlefield casualty: one of the wild thornborgies' borigified jaguars, upon it's being separated from it's collective, Doc repaired it, set up a mental link to it, adopted it and named it Sabor-6. meanwhile, Fenrir and Abel were toasting the victiories with a few rounds of bloodwine from some warriror species or another when someone made mention of word of a borg defector and a hidden base, Fenrir passed the word on to Shogun and asked whether they would join them, the mutate wholeheartedly agreed
*end RP for now*

Mystery Men Review> All in all it was the best superhero parody I'd seen this side of the Tick

Scary thought> what if the remnants unseelie court were really in disguise as famous magicians? in other words, the next unseelie war would not be led by whoever and Maeve, but rather Penn and Teller
shogun raptor
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 03:05:08 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

sorry but I forgot
you have to write /dessins.html
ok babye.
Lil again
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 02:22:17 AM
IP: dialup-971.hip.cam.org

Hello everyone
if you a time, please go to this address:
www.multimania.com/wizards/dessins
I have made some gargoyles pics,some characters are from TGS.
please tell me what you think of it.
thanks!
Lil - [jrcougar@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 02:19:42 AM
IP: dialup-971.hip.cam.org

Jaden walks into the CR and looks at his last post. Oops that was supposed to be NO rp. <slaps fist against head>

Sorrow- Lex as computer club president. Broadway would be the ruler of the domain known as the cafeteria and Brooklyn would be president of anything that had to do with leather and bikes.

Doug- After having a dream like that I'd have to say something like...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Lexy- The money is on its merry little way.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 01:41:00 AM
IP: pm1-41.vpop1.avtel.net

Jenna: Oh, I've been there and done that with the upper-class families. My family managed to scrounge me out a place in a prep school for 4 years, until they raised the tuition and ousted me. I then spent 3 years in parochial school. I've seen the children of the rich and famous. I was in middle school with the Speaker of the Massachusetts House of Representatives daughter and types like her. The value clashes are enormous in respects to politics, socialization, and even morality. I also know kids who live in rich communities and have "cool" parents. These are the folks that buy their kids BMWs instead of playing baseball with their sons. These kids made up the largest drug/drinking crowd out of everyone. They generally committed the stupidest and most frequent offenses too. There is this sense of immortality that comes from elitist living. There is also a lack of structure and enforcement that stems from a lack of concerned parenting. Poor parenting and an irresponsible environment can certainly warp a child's values. This I will never dispute. Immortality complex, lack of accountability (morally or otherwise), and self-centeredness never make for a very well-constructed psyche.

This is, of course, not a mold or a stereotype cast on anyone. There are plenty of descent upper class people, but the general change in values and frequency of behavior leads to a pretty viable working model to worry about and be wary of when considering the future.

Nihilism itself has a ridiculous aura of coolness and danger about it. It reminds me of the 50s-60s fascination with the greasers and motorcycle riders. They are perceived by many as the intellectual tough guys. Many people where nihilism as a façade, because they at least care about their image. The few true nihilists I've ever met don't really care enough about anything to worry about what other people think. The image of nihilism is more often simply used as a weapon to abuse and bully others and, thereby, improve their own social status. True nihilism isn't aggressive. Image nihilism is, because it is all about reputation.

There is also another issue at work in the violence and decay we find in America today. Living in Massachusetts, I've seen the "liberal" socio-political machine slowly and blatantly attempt to replace objective, philosophical/religious morality with some form of subjective, social morality/ethics. They've heavily leaned into colleges and universities as well as the media, spawning the idea that their social morality is the only choice for the refined intellectual. It smacks of "godless communism" found in China and the Soviet Union, where religion and individual-respecting morality was replaced by some sort of collectivist/social ethics that fall apart when one turns a critical eye to society's flaws. If you create a social morality like many have been doing in America, you weed out a more objective morality found in religion or philosophy. Then, when the society rears its dark side, ostracizing or alienating some members, you are left with some folks who have NOTHING to hold themselves to. Then, once the selfish, immoral folks are pushed too far, they do some very evil things.

Example: Pushing someone to the point where their lives aren't worth living to them, and all of the sudden they don't mind risking their lives to get what they want, let alone the lives of others. Revenge? Why not go on a shooting spree? What do you have to lose? Why the hell not?

I'd certainly not say that you can blame things like Columbine on society rather than individual choice. The act of killing others for reasons other than defense are evil in my book. However, most evil folks are cowardly and uncommitted to act. Only when coupled with an evil undercurrent in society do these sheep become rams. Also, many people tend not to galvanize towards "evil" unless herded. We are all a little evil inside. Some people just let it burn and consume them. Some societies fan the flames dramatically. Some people go out in those flames with a big old explosion. I won't blame the acts of evil men flatly on society, nor will I absolve a society from evil. When you create a society that demeans morality and goodness and prizes selfishness and irresponsibility, you should not look so damn surprised when you start finding bumper crops of aggressively evil people. In the same way, when you taunt and abuse such people, you should not be surprised when they tear your throat out for it. Evil begets evil.

Paul: You keep bothering people about making generalizations. You need to get over that. People make generalizations. It is often necessary to communicate. She isn't stereotyping anyone.
You all too often judge and reproach others, but you come across as holding yourself above reproach or having your actions judged. Whenever someone tries to advise you to correct your behavior, you claim that they just don't understand you and basically dismiss them as ignorant or mean-spirited. Even when you ask for forgiveness or support, you make demands of the Clan like it is an entitlement, like you are the center of the universe. You demand to be treated as an equal, but you hardly treat people like brethren. Consideration is a two way street. You're attitude regarding people is tiresome and is grating on many nerves. You're not a bad person, but your behavior can be extremely irritating to most people at times.

However, I see that you must value and respect Something in this CR, something about the people and ideas, otherwise you would've gotten the hell out of Dodge. It must mean something to you to participate in this community, so I'd like to advise you as a friendly associate to try and keep your commentary with more manners and consideration of other people's feelings. You're manner of relating to the people here comes across as very self-centered, even though not intended as such. You also so a great deal of resistance to changing the way you act to accommodate others, but it Is sometimes necessary to adapt for the sake of others. It is like stepping out into the street against the light as demanding not to get hit because you don't think you should have to change your walking pattern. It not only disrupts the flow of traffic and irritates those around you, it could get you hurt, inadvertently or not.

A NOTE FROM LEXY:

My Liz-chan is sorry, but she just tried to switch ISPs and is getting screwed at the moment. She's trying to sort it all out. I'll keep people posted.

She set up a yahoo account at Izzolexington3@yahoo.com

Anyone E_Ming her in the last few days will need to try the new addy instead. Please, re-send such mail. She'll try using a friend's comp to get in here later, OK? Once again, she's over-joyed and amazed at our generousity and implores us to keep up the good work.

END NOTES FROM LEXY

Ack … *sniffles, coughs* I hate being sick. I'm glad most of this was typed last night. I'd do more but I'm just not with it.

BTW, I found, "Gargoyles Genesis" wonderful reading.

*lopes out of the room sniveling and viciously muttering something about spiked maces and black hole event horizons*

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 01:25:54 AM
IP: 1cust61.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Coyote: We're not prying. We're being concerned. We asked what happened because we care. If she wants to tell us, fine, and if she doesn't, fine. Either way, it's her decision, nobody else's. By asking what happened, we're showing that we're ready to listen to her, that we're here for her, and that we care about her. That's NOT prying.
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 01:24:33 AM
IP: wire-5.koalas.com

Two quickies before I have to crash this evening ...

Lexy: Thanks for the addy. I should be able to mail ya a money order on Friday.

**slips on a hat that reads "Protective Cyber-Big Brother"**

One request to everyone in the room, on behalf of Heather ... please do not pry into the nature of the injuries she sustained and mentioned in the earlier post. The circumstances are extremely personal in nature, and Heather has asked that it not be discussed in a public forum. Just so everyone knows, if ya ask how she got hurt, more than likely (unless it's privately) she will not tell you. That is all.

**slips the hat off, sits back down on the floor after giving Heather another hug, then fixates on the candle again.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 12:35:54 AM
IP: modem31.i-is.com

Oh wait--Jewel, you live in the DC area? Cool!!! So far, that makes about 4 of us who live in or near DC: Me, Jewel, Mandolin, and I believe JEB. Cool! I thought I'd have to move to Texas if I wanted to be geographically closer to you guys! ;)
(BTW, if you can get an apartment that cheap in DC, snatch it right up!!!)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, August 18, 1999 12:00:35 AM
IP: 207-172-59-218.s281.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

****BEGIN RP*****
SJ looked at the strange, pale man in the red trenchcoat with a stern gaze. "What's the offer? I'm listening, and it had better be good."
"Well, like I said," the man replied with a smile. "I'll heal your little girlfriend over there. She'll recover completely, be as good as new. Up and about in no time."
"You can do that? Who are you, a fey?"
"I can do that," the man answered. "And no, I'm not a fey. I'm something a bit...different. But I can help her, if you'll let me."
"What do you want from me in exchange?"
"Ah, a smart businessman! Getting right to the bottom line. Well, I want just a little something from you. Not now, mind you, but soon."
"What?"
The man leaned in closer, and whispered something in SJ's ear. The young scientist's eyes grew wider, and he paled visibly. He gulped several times. "You....you want that?" The man nodded. SJ closed his eyes, his teeth gnashing together. "I...I don't know--"
"It's the only way to save her. That is my offer. Are you willing to pay the price for her life? Do you care for her enough? Or are you willing to simply let her die here?"
****PAUSE RP FOR NOW****

Geez, had to go to the eye doctor today, for the old yearly check-up. The good news is that I'm no blinder than I was last year. The bad news is that my eyes are still freakin' dilated!!! I can't see josta!!!

Jenniren: In the case you mentioned about day care, I would think that perhaps it had been best if the woman in question never had any children at all. Perhaps she should have put more thought into having and raising a child than just her friends kids look so adorable. I think this was sort of what Dark Angel was trying to point out; people shouldn't just have kids cause they look like fun things to have.
However, I do agree that if a parent begins to have those sort of violent thoughts (and unfortunately, they are not uncommon thoughts), leaving the child in another's care would be the better option. However, the catch 22 on that decision is that the child still suffers either way. On one hand, the child faces possible abuse at the hands of the biological parents, and on the other, the child (especially if they are under a year of age) may experience psychological and behavioral problems as a result of they stay in day care. Day care can be quite beneficial for a young child, but unfortunately in America only something like 15 percent of U.S. daycares are of good quality.
I think the point I'm trying to make, and possibly Jenna as well, is that in modern times it seems as if a large majority of parents aren't able to cope with children. Perhaps it's because of selfishness, perhaps it's because they don't know how to handle them. Regardless, bad parenting is a very dangerous problem, and one that I feel is fairly common nowadays. To agree with Dark Angel in a sense, teenage parenthood can lead to the worst abuse (can we say leaving the baby in the school bathroom at prom night?).

Jewel: I'm sad to hear about your family woes, but I can relate to them. Your mom and my real dad should get together, they'd probably hit it off very well (don't get me started on the ways he's screwed up my family--and that's not an exaggeration, it's fact). As for the car situation, perhaps you should take one. But definitely have her sign over the title to you, and any other appropriate paperwork. Hopefully, if the car is then legally signed over to you, you can do whatever you damn well please with it, and your mom won't hold anything over your head. I hope that whatever choice you make, your financial woes are over soon. And it's good to hear you'll try to grace us more often. :)

Wilek: What the HELL was that article about? That "pastor" (and I use the term loosely) needs a serious noggin check. Pokemon? Evil? Yeah, watch me as I slay chickens over the Altar of Pikachu. Nice way to incorporate flamethrowers and swords too, let's get some violence in there to encourage the kiddies. That guy is sick, sick, sick in the head. He should get his ass thrown right out of the pulpit.

****RESUME RP****
SJ took several moments to decide. He walked over to Kari's bedside, where the young woman was blissfully experiencing a long, quiet rest. SJ knew, however, that it would be a rest that she would never awaken from if he did not act. He had to ask himself, how much did he care for her? Could he pay the price to save her life. He sighed.
Yes, he thought to himself. He could pay the price, no matter how high. And he would. He turned back to the strange man in the red coat. "Alright," he said grimly. "I'll do it. You have a deal. Just heal her."
The man smiled, and nodded his head. He stepped forward until he stood before Kari as she lay on her medical bed. He threw his arms out, held them above her, and began to mutter in an odd, archaic language. Crimson energy arced from his fingertips, as a glow radiated from the man's hands. The energy engulfed Kari, bathing her in power. Finally, the man finished his incantations, and stepped aside. "There," he said. "My work is done. She should come to in a matter of minutes. As for you," the man continued, turning to SJ. "Our business shall be concluded later. Look for me--I'll be around." And with that, he simply vanished from sight.
SJ was instantly at Kari's side. "Kari?" he called gently. "Kari?"
The young woman's eyes fluttered open. "Junior? W-where am I? What's going on?"
SJ couldn't answer. For several moments, all he could do was weep quietly in silent relief.
*****END RP FOR NOW*****

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:37:49 PM
IP: 207-172-59-218.s281.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

::Green Baron comes in and looks for Jewel, and she looks sad, so he coems up to her and gives her a big warm hug and doesn't let go, until she feels better::

Jewel> I hoep you're not too shocked by my response, but I think you really need this right now. I owuld recommend taking the most expensive car, then trading it for a Saturn or some nice Japanese car. I take back what I said, I really don't have any idea what you are going through. Your mother sounds even worse than my father. I am glad you are getting that lease, though it sounds expensive but you're in the DC area. I hope you can get a roomie. Hell, if I was up there, I'd join you and take the couch to help you with the rent. I don't knwo if you wnat much advice or sympathetic words, so I figured you'd just appreciate the cyber-hug. I hope things get better for you.

SOROW> You are bad, and I thought you were some sweet inncoent girl, but people thought I was a sweet, innocent, cute little Baron. I guess we both have the folks shocked :)

Coyote> I don't fault you. I am the finance man in here, afterall :)

SJ> Here's a thought. Jewel now lives in the Virginia suburbs of DC. You should pay her a visit, once you find out where she lives.

::GB keeps holding Jewel, while the screen fade::
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:37:37 PM
IP: abd75fe9.ipt.aol.com

Thanks Coyote :)... So in the meantime while I wait to get a new iMac (I'm a mac fan so sue me) I'll have to grin and bear it with this slow computer.

Still I'm glad I had found this comment room. The only other person I know in my town that loves Gargoyles is my best pal Joel. And he doesn't have the internet :P

I've tried to get other people to like my show by wearing a huge purple sweat suit and placing on wings and a tail. Unfortunately my younger brother's vampyre fangs were torn halfway through, but I think I got the gospel of Gargoyles through my home town! Man I never seen so many people stare at me! (For those who knows I'm just kidding I congradulate you) Now All I need to do is find a yellow tail and I can dress up as Pikachu next! WHEEE!! Pika!

In response to that person who mentioned all the boys she found hot in daily cartoons...(your name escapes me as of the moment)....I think that is a very good idea what you did! I will now rate the girls in all the millions of cartoons I watch.........1. Angela in Gargoyles........that is all......:)......( I'd count Blackarachnia from Beast Wars but she's a robot and it's a digitally made show so it don't really count....)

Sarge....for President.....we care for you because you can't spell president without resident ::pathetic smile::

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:37:09 PM
IP: spider-wd034.proxy.aol.com

Green Baron> I am never sarcastic
James Birdsong
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:33:07 PM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

David G & Ironwolf>> Sorry guys, check your email, I spread the @#$&ing virus to both of you.


Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:04:20 PM
IP: 207.14.200.102

Greetings all...

CHRISTINE - Webzine!? With you and Tim doing the editor-bit!? Where do I send the manuscripts??? :) I've got a couple of stories ready to go!

ROBBY - Re: Ben Dunn> Okay... Hope it does go well for you, bud! Man, if you could have done that with Fred Perry though... THAT would have been Sa-WEEET!

CADILLACS & DINO'S - I saw this series, and read some of the original comics too. I thought it was great! Mankind re-emerges from a holocost, finding that Dinosaurs have returned, and the people that they turn to for salvation are the mechanics that kept the life support machines in the fall out bunkers running. A cool series!

HEATHER - <BIG Gentle Teddy-Bear Hug> What's happened, hon? Hope you feel better soon.

DOUG - $BTW, no one in the RP has been wondering where Jake and Jess and Two-of-One went to... aren't you all curious? :)$

SKIPPY - <The Great and Glorious Klingon Warrior of Epic Legend Known Far and Wide As Skippy (tm)> ROTFLOL!!! I love it! A hearty K'rPLOP to you, warrior! :)

Will have more to add later, when I have time... right now, I'm trying to rest a pulled back muscle. Ouch!

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:54:28 PM
IP: m82.ieway.com

Skippy>>>>Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou, Do you have any idea how I can back track that virus? Thank goodness the girls and I havn't send too many emails.


Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:52:59 PM
IP: 207.14.200.102

Greg Bishansky: Happy birthday!!

Christine: Fortunately, I never promised not to put my enemies in my stories for revenge purposes, either. The guy who ripped me off a while back has already appeared in the current G2K fic, and it's only the beginning of his punishment. There are a few others on my list...many of whom will probably end up in either a novel or an original short story. **thinking evil, evil thoughts...** :) And that web-zine--Rockin'!! Hell, I'll do *anything* to increase my chances of getting published!

Warpmind: That was a TEST?!?!?! GRRRRR!

Xanathar: (re: Joyride playsets/break-apart celebs) Yeeeeaaaahh!! This is gettin' better and better! :)

Jenniren: Good luck with the dentist. I hope the whole thing passes uneventfully.

Jenna, Ironwolf: I agree completely--high school was a living hell. Probably the only reason I didn't get beat up all the time is because people were afraid I'd start doing weird $h!t like nailing dead possums to their front doors... (Yeah, I had a bit of a reputation, even then ;)

Zath: Wow, that was quite a car your brother had. And he delivered pizzas, too?? Did he ever tell you any good horror stories? :) BTW, there was a period of time when I had to park my old truck on hills, but facing down instead of up, because the starter was worn out and the only way to get it started was to pop the clutch. Of course, there were always times when there were no hills, only level streets, and I had to push the damn thing. I'd see people looking out their windows, staring at the pizza guy push-starting his old POS Toyota...uggh! Oh, and that's a cool pic! Heh, I don't mean to be shallow, but the first thing I thought when I saw it was, "Look at the hooters on HER!!!"

Okay...that was wrong, and I apologize. ;)

Heather: Bruise on your cheek?? My god, what happened? **HUGZ** Hope you feel better soon.

Robby: Don't feel too bad. Nobody can blame you for being sick of it.

Jewel: My god! Your mother screwed you over, has four cars (which, I'm guessing, cost at least $30,000 each)...and she's a *reverend*?!?! Is she a TV evangelist, by any chance? Anyway, IMO, I think you should go ahead and take one of the cars she's offering you, since she did steal your money, and it's better than continuing to drive a rattling deathtrap. Maybe you could get the deal in writing, so it would be as "legal" as her theft of your trust fund. So if she tries to back out of the deal or try to take advantage of it in any way, you'll have her by the balls, so to speak. And if a worst-case scenario comes up, and you need somebody to nail a dead possum to her door, I've got a hammer and some nails ready and waiting.... :) Anyway, don't feel bad about ranting. It's better to get this stuff our of your system, and we're glad to listen. We're all here for ya.

Doug: Welcome back!!

Coyote: LOL! Did he wait until you were actually sipping before he said, "By the way, Josta means "excrement"...? ;)
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:34:50 PM
IP: wire-28.koalas.com

Coyote: Nope. Sorry. :)

Cadillacs and Dinosaurs: I remember that too. Didn't like it much, but in Taiwan it did spawn a very cool Final Fight style arcade game.

That's all.
Doug
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:18:40 PM
IP: pool-207-205-234-140.dlls.grid.net

WARNING TO DELPHI: You have a case of the Happy99 virus, I got a second reply from you that contained the virus. I've already e-mailed you a cleaner program. But I wanted to make sure to warn you about that...

***AND NOW THE HAIM SABAN JOYRIDE***

The Great and Glorious Klingon Warrior of Epic Legend Known Far and Wide As Skippy (tm) Came storming down the streets of Hollywood atop Stragnort, his Faithful Giant Battle Targ.
All who witnessed his passing were cowed in fear of the awsome sight. He rode bareback on the beast, controling it by one handful of the creatures mane, his freehand swung a wickedly massive battleaxe over his head. Those who dared to look at him recived a bone chilling murderous stare in return.

The crowds fled in blind panic, running in all possible directions to escape the oncoming storm of violence that Skippy's presence heralded.

While the panic and belam that spread out before him filled him with a psychotic glee. Skippy knew it did not matter. For he was here on a much more important mission.

Ahead of him was the Headqarters of Saban Entertainment. Within that labaryinth of steel and glass lurked Haim Saban, his target.

His list of crimes against sentience were enormous. His latest effort, Digimon, had finally brought down the wrath of the Comitiee for Asthetic Deletions. So, Skippy was here, preparing to wreck havoc on the face of children's television.

He arrived at the doorstep of the building. Stragnort took his mighty tail and swiped an innocent Miata out of it's parking space and watched as it landed down the block with a most glorious crash! Taking only a moment to admire his beast's handywork, Skippy slid off the creature's back and tied it's leash onto a convienent parking meter.

As Skippy walked up to the doors of Saban Entertainment, he pulled out BFG 9000 Mega-disruptor, and leveled it at the hapless doorway.

With power at maximum, Skippy unleased a mighty blast of destructive force that ripped a train sized hole into the wall where the doorway had just stood.

The poor hapless doorman that had dissapeared behind a Mercedes when Skippy pulled his weapon out re-emerged hoping to escape before further carnage ensued. Skippy saw him and grabbed him by the collar.

"Well human," Skippy said with a vicous smile " I must ask you one question before I enter this building and ensue in my mission of undescribable destruction"

"Uh...er, well uh...yes?" the frightened doorman stuttered.

"Can you validate my parking?"

**MORE TO COME :)*****
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:00:14 PM
IP: uv1-46.ultravision.net

ARGH i cant believe I forgot to put my last post in the blue color i liked.
.
.Oh well
I think I watch too much cartoons oh well anyways I created a list on Cartoon guys that I think are hot
Brooklyn from Gargoyles..Yes he is hot!

Fry from FutureRama

Darien/Mamarou from SailorMoon

Vegeta from DBZ.(and Trunks)

Bob from Reboot

Terry from Batman Beyond

Ok enough of my ramblings...for now.
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 08:57:37 PM
IP: ts003d39.orl-fl.concentric.net

**enters the room, switching out the candles. Goes over to Heather and hugs her for a while, then sits on the floor.**

You take the big chair this evening, Heather. Sounds like you could use it more than I. (I'll be on IM later if ye need me.)

Lexy: I sent an e-mail asking ya to send me the information, and I have yet to get it from ya. Having e-mail problems? (as I've seen some folks have had messages get bounced) If ya need the addy, it's below.

Sarge Abernathy: Welcome to the madhouse! Unfortunately, this particular madhouse is only accessible through the Web ... but hey, I used to post to this room with a 14.4 modem, so I think you'll be able to hack it. :)

Green Baron: Heh ... don't stone me just because I don't follow the world currency values. :)

ROTFLMSAO: The "S" stands for "Sweet," as in "you bet your sweet @$$."

Jaden: **eyes fill up Warner Bros. style before cascading down** Ohh, thank you for your kindness.

**whimpers, looking to the candle, then continues**

Pistoff: Thought you'd like that. A music prof at Michigan State (who happens to be from Brazil) told me that one while I was drinking a sample can I'd received in the mail.

Wilek, re: extended DC deaths: Oyy ... you want an extended DC death, there's this particular manga miniseries I happened to see the last issue of entitled "Emblem." **shudders some more** Reading the last ish of that one made me feel nauseous ... someone's been watching a *little* too much bad snuff porn there.
(long story made short: the series involved a group of Japanese school boys who hold one of their female classmates hostage for a week, repeatedly rape and torture her, then seal her in a 50-gallon drum in cement to hide the evidence after they kill her.)

Aaron: I remember Cadillacs and Dinosaurs. I also remember that I didn't particularly care for it when it aired (mainly because the storylines made no sense to me), but the car in that one was spectacular (the *ultimate* '50s Caddy ... the '59 Series 62 convertible)!

Jewel, re: car dilemma: Hey, if your mom's gonna f**k you financially *that* bad, you may as well take the ride that has some style ... the Cadillac (depending on what year it is) ... but then again, I'm kinda biased, having one of my own. :)
As for your decision, ultimately it will be up to you how you choose to resolve this horrible situation you've been thrust into. But rest assured, depending on your beliefs, that if there's justice in this universe your mother will get what's coming to her for all the hurt she's caused you.
(Then again, the poetic justice I would enact on her would be to take the Cadillac and drive it at 5mph in front of her house sixteen times every day just to make her squirm, but that's just me. ;)

Doug, re: McBain-Goliath: Vass he speakink in a bad Cherman accent, az vell? ;)

**sits back on his hands, gazing up at the candle's flame and fixating from the floor this evening.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 08:24:51 PM
IP: modem31.i-is.com

DA and Othello> If you only knew what I've been through for the past two weeks. Actually, I did go through Othello recently and what surprised me was how the play version and the garogyle characters are *not* alike. Iago's motivations was hatred for the Moor. He had no interest in Desdemona other than a means to affect his designs. When I saw the Brannagh version. (And IMO Kenneth Brannagh hammed it up) It made me wonder if Iago was secretly in love with Othello. I know I've probably opened up a maelstrom with that comment, but the way of Iago's hate, made me wonder that.

Talk to you later
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 08:24:33 PM
IP: 117.albuquerque-08-09rs.nm.dial-access.att.net

Zath>> I found a tastycake site on the net, click my name, go into the "company store" button, you can then order them direct or look up your state to see if any one is selling them locally. and it seems that TX now has tastykakes in houston at least (they didn't when I lived there)
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 08:24:31 PM
IP: 207.14.200.134

**SOME RP HERE**

"Pika-hic-chu-pika?" the creature sitting next to Doug at the Avatar's bar asks him. Doug flips through his Pikachu-English dictionary and nods. "Uh, chu pika!" "Pika! Hic! Pikachu!!" "What's with him?" Jammer asks as he walks up. "He's drunk," Doug replies, grimacing as Argent's Pokemon pal gasps and throws up all over the floor. "Pika!" the drunk Pikachu (don't ask me where I got this creativity demon!) shouts at the Borg bouncers as they drag him off to sober up. Doug watches them leave, finishes his soda, and then turns back to Jammer. "What's up?" "Gubio got an interesting e-mail. You better come see it." Doug nods and stands up, then follows Jammer over to the others. "Okay, Gubio," says Kit, "what's the message say? I don't think Ruth can hold off the evil dragons for me much longer." "The message is from one of Thailog's hackers," Gubio answers. "Corax. Apparently he wants to defect." "Defect?" Doug asks. "This is interesting." "Yeah," Tom agrees. "Maybe he knows where their secret base is." "We're supposed to meet him in Akron, Ohio two days from now," Gubio continues, "if we want what he knows." "Hmm," Doug frowns. "Let's go to the infirmary and tell Lathrop about this. I'll think more about it on the way."

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi. Well, we're back. As Kit said yesterday. :) Thanks to all who gave me their condolences on my job loss. Hope I find another one soon. Right now, though, I'm concentrating on getting ready for the new school semester.

Fanfic Progress: Thanks to the few who have sent feedback on Protected Species Part One. Wish I had more, but oh well. Part 2 is coming along, I'm currently on the "council of war" scene. Hope to have it done by early next month. :)

Gargoyle Dreams: I had a new one last night. It was a really bad one. The subject? McBain-Goliath. It went something like this:
<Scene- Goliath and Elisa are sitting together at a lunch counter. Elisa shows him a picture and says, "You see this, partner? Dave just made the last payment on it yesterday. Soon as we nail Demona, you and I are going to sail away on it and have a nice vacation. Sun, surf, and you and me, big guy." Goliath nods. "You and me." Suddenly the counter clerk (who looks like Jackal) pulls out a pistol and fires, shooting Elisa several times as she screams. "NO!!" Goliath wails, tackling the clerk and tearing him to pieces. Then he falls to Elisa's side and wails again. "No! My Elisa!!" "Goliath," Elisa gasps, coughing up blood. "I need you to do something for me." He takes her hand. "Yes?" "Get...Demona." With that she slumps over and dies. Goliath leaps up with eyes glowing and roars, "DEMONA!!!!!" >
Pretty scary, isn't it? May I never have another like it. <grin>

Thanks to all who posted responses to my Lex's mates topics. I was hoping Christine would add her thoughts about Aiden's reaction to his cybernetics, but oh well. With her permission, I'll be writing that myself in Season 3 of Eternal Quest.

Wilek: $ Congrats. You get another cyber-cookie. :) Hope to see Frankenstein vs. Frankunsteen in some later RP. $

Paul: Thanks for the tips on Omni-Zophar, glad we didn't need them (beat the guy this morning). We're in the middle of the epilogue now, so far it's been pretty exciting. We thought the Pentagulia approach scenes, especially the one after Ghaelon's death were all neat, well-written, and in character. But Ghaelon's still a bad guy. :)

Xenogears Romance: I think you're wrong. Fei and Elly's relationship had lots of romantic aspects to it. Remember the two long soliloqouy(sp?) bits from the beginning of Disc 2? Remember the shower scene in Elly's room, the kiss scene and all its dialogue, the end where Fei runs after Elly to save her (as opposed to saving all humanity, though he does that too)? I think either you need to play the game again and look at it through realistic unbiased eyes, or you're trying to prove you're not obessed with Xenogears by denying the importance of what most reviewers would argue is the story's most important plot point (if that's the case, it's not working). And, btw, their romance was not just important because it developed their characters. It also developed Fei and Bart's relationship, Elly and Bart's, Fei and Citan's, Elly and Citan's, their relationships with Krelian and Miang, the relationship between Elly and Dominia, and a lot of other stuff too. When you think about it, over 80% of the plot revolves around it. And yes, I can back this up, so I hope you won't continue the argument. You have your opinions, I have mine. Let's leave it at that and not get angry. <hopes>

Jackal: Glad to see you alive and back in here. Hope you soon return.

Zath, SJ, Fleur: Welcome back. Thanks to SJ for the info on upcoming Fox shows.

Marvel's Thor: I've never liked him that much either, for reasons Airwalker's already stated. So needless to say, I'll be changing the character if he ever appears in my fanfics. Probably by making him a fay and replacing Odin with Oberon. Yeah, that should work.

Greg Bishanky: Have a good vacation, hope you get back soon. I look forward to receiving your fic reviews.

Green Baron: Welcome back to you too.

Christine: I agree with you about Iago. Cool idea for a webzine, too bad I don't have time to contribute. Hope to hear from you soon about the draft of Voyage that will be in Avalon Mists.

Welcome to all newcomers!

Heather: Oh man, what happened? How come you're so hurt? Hope you get to feeling better soon.

I have nothing to add to the parents-kids debate, so that's all for now. Later!

**SECOND HALF OF RP**

The Ravens walk into the infirmary to find Lathrop awake and sipping cider while munching on sunflower seeds. "How ya feeling?" Doug asks him. "Better," the wizard replies. "Thanks to this hyper-acclerated healing treatment the Borg here gave me, I'll be back on my feet shortly. Give me a few more hours and I'll be ready to go wherever you want." "That's good," Doug nods, "because we may soon be heading somewhere and would like you to come with us." He tells their wizard friend about the message from Corax. "It smells like a trap to me," says Elena. Orion nods in agreement. "The best way to handle traps is often to spring them, though." "And if he is defecting," Shap adds, "this chance might be too good to pass up." "Yeah," Kit frowns. "I guess we'll have to go to Akron and find out if it's true." Doug nods. "Okay, get everything ready. Jammer, you and Steph warm up your cars. I'll find Wilek, tell him we're leaving, and have him set up the transporters to beam us into Chicago. Shauna, get Ruth out of the arcade. We can drop her off at home on our way to Ohio. Let's go, everyone." They all nod and after saying temporary goodbyes to Lathrop run off to accomplish their tasks. Lathrop watches them leave, smiling as he finishes his current bowl of sunflower seeds and asks for more.

**END THIS BIT OF RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 08:12:01 PM
IP: pool-209-138-62-42.dlls.grid.net

good afternoon to everyone

Zath>>you lived in PA, wow I grew up in Manhiem, PA eastern side of PA in Lancaster county, Oh my, I could really go for some of those Tastykakes, I haven't had any since, um, sinceee, well it's probably been 9 years, the last time one of my PA relatives made it out here to ID. As far a I know the only place you can get them is PA. They sure don't have them in Idaho or Texas. Gosh now I'm craving one of their butterscotch krumpets, I'd even take some of those peanut butter ones they make. If you find a place to get them let me know.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 07:52:48 PM
IP: 207.14.200.134

Arrrrrrrrrrggggh!!!!!!!!

<deep breath> OK. I was just going through a bunch of bills that I got SUnday when Mom gave me all the stuff that went to her in Georgia. I have a *lot* of back bills to pay--there was a stack almost 2 inches high! What po-ed me, though was the bill from PA--for an unpaid ticket. An unpaid ticket they never notified me off. $100 down the drain. This added to the $200 down the drain for a rental car. My insurance from the car accient only cover $2000, and I've got $4000 just from one hospital, and several hundred from another...plus the cost of the ambulance. SO much for me trading in the rattlig deathtrap car dad got for me, and buying a newer one this weekend. I'll be stuck with it for a few months, at least, while I pay these off, plus the late fees they'll tack on. Arrrrrrrggggghhhh. Oh, well. On the plus side, one of the girls I work with wants to move out closer to her boyfriend, and wants someone to take over her lease, and asked me if I wanted it. It looks like a nice little complex, and it's a quick commute to work. And it's cheap--only $530 a month. I'm willing to just take over the lease without seeing the inside of the apartment--I trust Diane, and I need a place. I'm going to try to get over to see it tomorrow after work, Hopefully, I'll be moving in the next week or two. Yay!

SJ: I'm hoping to be posting more regularly. =)

Paul/Christine/Jewel thing: Dudes, leave me outta this mess. I said my peace a while back, and that was it.

Mommy Dearest: Yup, mom stole my trust fund (from when my great-grandfather died and his land was sold off--the money was split between all the great-grandkids), and legally. She made me sign it over to a joint account when I was 18. The money was there in December. by May, it was gone, and I hadn't touched it. She said she used it to pay for college...which would have been OK, had she just asked me. I would have then started saving money for when I got out, instead of counting on the trustfund money to help me get started. Then she stole a $2,400 refund check from college. Legally, because Bryn Mawr addressed it to Mom and me, instead of just to me like I asked. Then lied to my face about it. Then hung up on me when I called her on it a few days later. She claims the money was hers because she paid for my education. I think I should get it since she used my $3000 trust fund without my permission. She says she used it because there was a mistake from Fin Aid so they overcharged her, and she didn't have enough money. But when the mistake was corrected, they sent the refund check, which is another reason I think I should get the money. And the psychopath called my Dad 6:30 in the morning the day after I called and yelled about my money, explaining to him why she did everythign she did...and you know, she never *once* mentioned the trust fund? Funny how she managed to *forget* that little thing when explaining herself. (<g> Dad's responce to Mom was, "Why are you telling *me* this? I don't care.") She also said I should be grateful she paid $20,000 (total) so I could go to College...to a school, BTW, which costs $30,000 *per year* and when I have $17,600 in loans to pay for. This in the same phone conversation as when she informed me the trust fund was gone and the refund check was hers.
<makes face> She offered to give me one of her *four* cars (yes, four. A Mercedes, Explorer, Cadilliac, and Aerostar. But she didn't have enough to pay $3000 for my school) to trade in so I can get a new one. I'm hesitant to do anything to give her any more financial power over me. Last thing I need is her screwing me over again.
And yes, I'm really, *really* bitter. But, beleie it or not, I'm not taht mad over what she did to me--I'm mad at how she treated my big brother, all because he didn't list her as "reverend" instead of "Mrs." on his wedding invites. She fired him, kept his real estate liscence so he can't work, and messed up his loan applications for a house he and his fiance were trying to get, and convinced her firend who was supposed to perfomr the ceremony *not* to a few days before the wedding...then refused to come to the wedding because he was "disrespectful" to her (she did eventualy come, but it took several hours of Mom, my big brother, and the minister he managed to find at the last minute all talking to each other in a locked room...and left before the reception...then came back several hours later and refused to talk to Steph's family.)
I just hope the genes she gave me don't kick in. If I have to be insane, I'd prefer to be insane in the same way as Dad is. <snort> Actually, I am. Which is why Mom and I can't stand each other. I have the gross misfortune of looking and acing like Dad, and Mom's *still* bitter over the fact that he left her 15-odd years ago.

<deep cathartic breath> OK. I'm done. I'll try not to rant too much about the self-centered psychopath. It shouldn't happen again unless I'm in contact with her, and I'm trying to avoid her. But I wonder--what do y'all think? Should I take the car from her and trade it in? It would give her financial power, but as one of my co-workers pointed out, she did take my trust fund, so I should take the car as repayment. And even if I couldn't afford a new car anytime soon, the minivan (which is the one I would take) would be safer than the rattling deathtrap...

Opinons? Please? I honestly have no idea quite what to do.

Arg. (and sorry for the long post...)

Hell, let's make it a wee bit longer and actually have this relate to something Gargoyles (kinda). I did decide to finish the prequel to "Gli enigmi." But I had an idea while I was revising "Turandot," of an alternate universe to *that* alternate universe--if Lexington/Xanatos had sent Christine to infiltrate the Resistance instead of Vida. WOuld any of y'all want to read it if I wrote it? I am, after all, taking a short break from "Apokalypsis" so I can get all the upcoming events straight in my head... Opinions?

There. Done. And this time, I mean it. =)

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 07:44:53 PM
IP: 207-172-75-239.s239.tnt3.man.va.dialup.rcn.com

SOROW: If I understand your DARK AGES question properly, then Othello, Desdemona and Iago are the names Greg used to credit the actors before they came up with the names Coldfire, Coldstone and Coldsteel. (You can see them on the credits to LEGION and HIGH NOON). He suggested that Prince Malcolm might have used these names to make things easier for the viewer, but TGS used Brother Edmund instead. For consistency (and that they're so fitting) I guess the TGS: Gargoyles staff thought it better to stick with their original names.
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 07:29:10 PM
IP: 194.168.237.159

The way I acted yesterday- It was out of line, and uncalled for on my part. I had been patiently putting up with the whole Paul/Christine thing for days, and I was just sick of it, so I made a decision and spoke in anger, mirroring what others had suggested earlier, namely a ban. I was not in my best frame of mind when I chastized Paul, let alone criticized him for speaking of Xenogears all the time, though I did not officially do so as CR Admin. (Note I left that part out of my name) I appologize for the way I acted, though at the time I felt I was in the right. Since Paul has now formally appologized, I'm just going to drop the matter and never speak of it again. The new policy is next time ANYONE insults ANYONE, I stop it as soon as I see it, and no one else says a word about it.

Stephen- Uh, I kinda have to MEET Ben Dunn before I can start recommending him towards other people... Still, we'll see how my first meeting with him goes tommorrow...

And I have to go eat dinner now...
Robby
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 07:28:39 PM
IP: spider-tp073.proxy.aol.com

High School>Despite the fact that my schedule is going to be packed with tough stuff, I'm probably going to have another pretty good school year. Davis Senior High School is a very good school to go to if your not part of the 'in' crowd. My school doesn't really have any popluarity in it because the student body is HUGE and we don't even know everybody in each other's grade levels. We pretty much don't care how you dress or what your ideas are, and a lot of us are willing to listen to them. Since we had a murder on our grounds 16 years ago, we have a Human Relations Commitee to help people understand each other. We also don't tolerate teasing or anything like that, the seniors don't throw the underclassmen into the garbage or do anything to their stuff (but they will have Senioritis). But one time my friend lost her backpack when her back was turned. Turns out someone returned it to the office. :)We're also pretty d@mn proud of our school becasue we're the best in our League. Both academically and athletically. We have one of the highest SAT scores in the state and a few of college football players used to go to DHS. The teachers are good as long as you're willing to learn and work. For those of us who end up getting pregnant before we graduate, we have a teen parent center where they learn how to take care of their babies, but must take some academic classes with the rest of the school, and alomst all of them graduate. Plus the mothers don't really lose their freinds. I've seen the mothers and theirs kids at school with a lot of their freinds talking. It's also a nice school because the have clubs for the unusual things that most schools don't support like Anime Club and Science Fiction Club. Our newspaper is pretty humurous as well as informitive. It's good school to go to. :)
Mary Flanders
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 06:56:44 PM
IP: ramp-1-11.ucdavis.edu

Welcome Sarge to our happy (most of the time) home!

Zath> My justification for school being so cold... all the teachers are going through menapause ;)

Jaden> In that case, I'd buy like fifty yearbooks :) I was just thinking, what other awards would the Trio get if they were schol seniors? I think... Lex=Most Intelligent, Broadway=Most Creative, Brooklyn=Most Changed (depends how you look at it)

Green Baron> When I went to my brother's graduation (you still remember that!!??) my family and I went to the Catholic Chapel for the Baccalaeureate (sp?) Mass. It was very beautiful! Also... what do I have for you? Hmmmmmm.... when I get a scanner and post my picture, you can imagine me anyway you want ;) OHHHH! I'M SOOOO BAD!

Mary> Your junior schedule *is* hard! I have Business Computers, Latin 2, Drill Team, Drill Team Officer Period, AP English 3, World Geography, Pre AP Physics, and Pre AP Calculus. I guess we'll just have to stick together to get through this :)

Heather> What on earth has happened to you??!! How did you bruise your cheek? HUGZ

Firestorm> Brooklyn is the hottest in my opinion, but beauty of course is in the eye of the beholder. So as far as other clans, there would definately be some hotties! Let's have a Gargoyle Beauty Pagent!

Jenna> I loved it!

****SPOILER FOR DARK AGES****
I have a general question. I read TGS before I began reading Dark Ages. In DA, Brother Edmund refers to Coldstone & Coldfire as Othello & Desdemona. I know these are the names they receive after their transformation back to flesh not long ago in TGS, but isn't that the first time they've been called those outloud? My question... If DA knew what names they were going to get before TGS was even written, did Greg originally plan that out in advance? *confused*
**** END SPOILER FOR DARK AGES****
SOROW
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 06:37:40 PM
IP: usr12-dialup106.mix1.irving.cw.net

Hello everyone.

Warpmind> Click on my name for a picture of Attila.

Wilek> I know you're trying to make a joke, though I think you got confused. Little Tommy is six weeks old. Most babies don't like getting water poured on them like tehy do in a Baptism. Doug Elder gave a similar reaction when he was Baptised. So did I, and I was only three weeks old.

Demona Crzy> That day was spent at the Catholic Chapel in the Army base at CS. That incident may have occured at one of the churches my Uncle pointed out as he made fun of the ugly churches we saw. The ugliest was the Rio Vista United Church of Christ church. The Trenchcoat Mafia is in suburban Denver, not Colorado Springs :p

High School> I actually liked it. They teased me all throughout grade school, but High School was much nicer, though my mother gave me flack for being a suck-up. It kept me form ever getting a detention, though.

Jenniren> It's too bad people don't think thinsg through. We are too short-term, and when it comes to kids, we are very short term. If soemone lacks patience or the love and time needed for a family, why bother having kids. As for daycare, what may be better is for a group of motehrs to let the kids play together and use the law of comparative advantage to raise the little kiddies, plus mothers have an edge over any sort of babysitting service usually.

Ironwolf> The kids also had problems and they were treated by the wonders of legal drugs. That and the teasing were bad for a couple of evil kids and the school. I also like to focus on the two kids who gave their life for their beleifs, and another young man who gave his life helping other students escape. I hope they are more embleatic of youth than Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris.

Jenna> I'll have to write my fics, first :) I read yours, and it is very similar to your own Ceation story, except the Gargs are also punished by being hated by the humans they must protecta until a Gargoyle saviour comes along. One who has slept for centuries and wakes up in a far away land.

James B.> You wrote <<Patrick Toman> Xenogears is supposably the best RPG ever>>

I guess you were just being sarcastic. Disregard my last comment, then.

Zath> Click on my name for a picture of my cuddle cat. I'm glad you missed me. Otherwise, I'd send you the drycleaning bill :p

Now, i'm off. Toodles
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 06:23:26 PM
IP: 141.164.241.79

Oh, I almost forgot... Warpmind, Pistoff, and anyone else who took part in the dating beaked females discussion last week, clickie on my name ; P
Zath
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 06:06:11 PM
IP: ns8-12.viptx.net

First of all, thanks everyone who liked my pictures. One of these days I really need to finish the "When Demona Met Jar Jar" picture, but that probably won't happen until after college starts. I've finally finished reading all of last week's room. I have the week before that on my hard drive, but reading it would take too long and most discussions from then are probably mostly forgotten by now anyway, so I'll just stick to this week and last week. I was just skimming in a lot of places, so I hope I didn't miss anything important.

SOROW> You had to start school on the 9th?!?!? You have my condolences. High school in my town started yesterday, and I thought that was early until I read your post. <<It's 100 degrees in Texas here and 60 degrees in the school. I HATE that!>> Yeah, I hate that too. Hopefully people will have better sense in Los Angeles. I don't know what it is about Texans and turning up the air-conditioner to the max. I remember almost everyone in my classes would start whining that they were burning up if the temperature rose above 70F. You'd think people living in a hot climate would be used to the heat. People never got so whiny when I lived in PA.

Ash> <<I've never understood why Brooklyn was so popular among the female veiwers. He is ugly and scrawny after all... with a rather sarcastic nature. Most human guys who are ugly, scrawny smart-asses are generally ignored>> I like Brooklyn, but I don't find him attractive. In a way, I like him *because* he's "ugly" (by human standards at least). I remember thinking ever since the first episode that all the other gargoyles were too human looking and Brooklyn "was what a gargoyle was supposed to look like" : ) As for his personality, smart-asses usually make interesting characters to watch or read about even if you wouldn't want to have to deal with them in real life.

Coyote> <<the "tattoos-to-fingers" ratio>> heh heh heh... I'll have to remember that one.

Warpmind> <<I kid ye not, he actually asked if we LENT OUT BOOKS! I answered that "No, sir, we do not. This is a joint hardware store and bakery.">> **snicker** <<The test was on how polite the official employees were, and I PASSED!>> Did you manage to stay polite after he told you that?

Getting Family to Like Gargoyles> I once got my brother to watch the episode Thrill Of The Hunt. He didn't hate it, but he kept calling Lexington "the little green monkey-looking one".

Scott Iskow> << I think that a Gargoyles movie would best be presented as a mystery, with Elisa following up on these vague encounters with "monsters.">> That's an interesting idea, but it may work better if it's Matt who is trying to figure what's going on. It would fit the show's continuity a little better and give him a chance for some character development. The early episodes could be condensed and given a fresh spin by being shown from Matt's POV and then the main action of the movie could start at the point when he gets partnered to Elisa.

Aaron> <<Yesterday, I bought a pair of leather pants. Combined with my coat, I can now be clothed from head to foot in the skin of a dead cow.>> **LOL** There's just something about the way you word it that makes it extremely funny... <<I'm planning to wear it to G2K too>> In Florida, in August? That might not be very comfortable. <<Aaron shudders as he is possessed by a three headed Creativity Demon carrying the Pheonix gate, a chainsaw, and a model of Castle Wyvern.>> Better yet, how about an AoD/Pendragon crossover? Use the "I slept too long ending" and have it be he really just ended up in London in the middle of the worst of the Unseelie attacks. Ash meets the *other* king Arthur... <<Sam and Twitch, the only two cops who may have to deal with more weirdness then Matt and Elisa>> Are they anything like Sam and Max?

Lexy and Kaioto> I'm glad you two had a good time meeting each other.

Wilek> <<I've heard freshman year is the worst.>> Actually, for me sophomore year was the worst, but in that school district the freshmen were in the junior high building, so maybe whatever year you're the youngest in the high school building is the worst. <<[as above, so below] Well, the main reason I consider it impossible is...think about it: How would non-beaked gargs procreate? They couldn't. So, if the species survived at all, there'd only be beaked gargs.>> I don't think it's quite that extreme. I always thought of it as being along the same lines as what people say about guys with big hands/feet. <<they're still scraping his liquefied brain matter off the CR wall>> So that's what that smell is... <<Lexy's holding a telethon for Heather and Robby>> or would that be a netethon? <<Is it me, or does RL Kitty look a lot like Rev. Atilla...?>> I don't know, I haven't seen any pictures of Rev. Atilla, but they do have relatively similar personalities (although Kitty is less politically ambitious, she just wants to be worshipped as the goddess of destruction).

Bronx Wyvern> I've had a couple of dreams where I was a gargoyle (no one from the show, just me with wings), but other than gliding around I didn't do anything very interesting. Hmmm... Now that I think about it, I've never really had "flying dreams" or "falling dreams" they've always specifically been gliding, even before the show came out. Odd...

Jaden> <<has anyone had a dream when you know you're dreaming?>> I have on a couple of occasions, but usually I just sit back and watch what happens because a lot of my dreams are like movies (complete with panning camera, close ups, zooms, multiple POV, music, etc...) and I like to see how the story comes out without any deliberate intervention.

Doug> sorry to hear you lost your job

Skippy> <<Darth Maul in garters and stockings?>> **LOL** I'd pay to see that twice, which is more than I can say about Ep.1 My old home town used to have midnight showings of RHPS and one of my friends was in the cast. Unfortunately they too lost their theater. They got kicked out because they weren't bring in enough people and then the theater was demolished to make room for a "Big K-mart" so they have no hope of getting a second chance. None of the other local theaters will even think of letting them in.

SJ> I'm sorry to hear you had such a rotten time with your family. At least it's over for now.

jewel> I'm sorry about your family situation too.

Pistoff> That car reminds me of one my brother used to drive. In addition to many minor problems, it didn't have reverse. At the time he was delivering pizzas for a living and always had to park facing uphill so he could coast out of the space. <<Hope you never have to go through anything like that again. >> Thanks, I hope I don't either. 8 more teeth and I don't think I'd have enough left to eat with : P

Xanthar> <<It'll be in Australian money I don't know it's worth over there>> Even if it's not worth much, Australian pocket change sure is cute, especially the 5 cent piece with the echidna on it...

cherry blossom> <<personally I can't imagine Goliath giggling>> Oh no, rabid creativity demon!
*****warning blatant rip-off of cannon episode*****
Goliath: *growls* "Surely you know I am not in the habit of giggling in the dark..."
Hudson: "Do ye even know how to giggle?"

Green Baron> <<I think Elisa likes Goliath to be stiff >> Ooooo, that's bad! >: P **tosses overripe fruit in GB's general direction, but misses. Mr. DC slips in the mess and falls out the window**

Mary Flanders> At least your drama and photography classes should be fun. I loved my photography class, just be sure to keep the chemicals off your clothes (I once had someone spill some of an old batch of dead fixer down my front, there wasn't much but boy did it STINK...)

JackaL> It’s good to hear you’re still okay.

Heather> Are you all right? What happened?

Random question> How many people here have heard of Tastykakes, and if you have heard of them, can you buy them where you live?

Wow, this post is becoming almost Traveleresque in size. I guess I should stare wrapping it up and such. Hopefully, I’ll be able to post again once or twice before I leave on Friday, but I have a lot of stuff to do before then (like scanning nearly 200 photographs I promised someone I’d do) so we’ll have to wait and see what happens. If I don’t post by Friday, I won’t be back again until at least the end of the month, so don’t worry when I disappear again. I think that’s it for the moment. Bye all.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 05:54:37 PM
IP: ns8-12.viptx.net

**walks in the CR wearing her housecoat and under it a hospital gown. She slowly limps her way to a chair, hissing in pain as she walks. She puts her hands on the arms of the chair and slowly sits down.** Hello.

Lexy > Hey, my mom and I were talking yesterday and she thought of an idea that maybe we can get the ticket of from San Antonio to Georgia. My mom said that Robby could visit me during Christmas Break if his parents let him. She got excited by the idea, I was in shock of her just thinking of that.
What is our latest total ?

**looks around, sad with a few tears in her eyes as she looks for Robby** Whree are you when I need you ? Especially today...**the tears fall and leaves, limping slightly. Hiding a bruise she has on her cheek.**
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 05:30:45 PM
IP: 98cbdfa4.ipt.aol.com

My computer is the slowest thing alive. We got it back in the stone age when they made 28modems and terrible moptherboards on a macintosh. I need a new one that's fast and reliable.

That was the reason why I asked if the chat room can be reached by telnet which operates many chat rooms. IF this is possible my computer won't take five minuets every time it reloads the Browser. :P

If any of you know how to fix the problem so I can enjoy the chat rooms better, (other than saying 'buy a computer dolt!'), let me know.

As in the meantime I'll just be here...... yeah.......ahem....::Coughs::......anyway ciao!

The 'eats his broccli with ketchup' Sarge :)
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 03:48:03 PM
IP: spider-tq044.proxy.aol.com

Quick post

Lexy> Got you E-mail I well mail the money to you tommorow

Green Baron> It was nice talking to you over ICQ last night
Lawrence Stone - [craft_celtic@yahoo.com]
Chillicothe, Ohio, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 03:23:24 PM
IP: chil-ras4-4-cs-1.dial.bright.net

Lexy - I got your email, but when I tried to answer the mailer daemon keeps returning it to me - "user unknown." I used lex@hnet.net as the email sendto address. For some reason, this email address worked last night but it isn't working today. I have no idea why. Anyway, here's the email I was trying to send:

At 12:01 PM 8/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>OH dear I forgot to tell you. To make the check out to Elizabeth Izzo.
> THANKS
>
>
The check is already in the mail - made out to Lexy Izzo. I hope this doesn't cause a problem.

Jenniren
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 02:50:08 PM
IP: user-2ivf04e.dialup.mindspring.com

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky> You too. I was Iago when we did Othello in class. I thought I was pretty good too, until I saw the Kenneth Braughnah (sp) version.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 02:16:26 PM
IP: ppp-228.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Wilek>Thanks, I plan to put her head on a stick in the front yard. :)

BTW, I have a interesting creativity demon. Picture it:The Trio as hatchlings running away from bath time butt naked around the courtyard. Hehehehe... ;P
Mary Flanders
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 02:04:49 PM
IP: ramp-2-30.ucdavis.edu

Hi, still on vacation.

Christine> I agree with you about Iago. When we read Othello orally in class, I read for Iago. It was a lot of fun to play someone so evil.

Gargoyle Dreams> I have them all the time. Most of them are about Demona ::grins::. I did have a vivid dream where I was present during "The Darkest Hour".

Thank you to all who have wished me a happy birthday so far. It's not until tommorow, but I have gotten some early birthday gifts. I got a scanner and I got a Beast Wars Dragon Megatron (very cool figure).

JEB> Did yo get the package I sent you?

Todd> Where do you get these creativity demons from? That Madoc/Clinton creativity demon was wicked. It's also a lot more merciful than what Maeve would do to him.

On other news, I'm almost done with the first part to my first independent fanfic "Unions of Darkness" which will be a five-parter to set up a saga I have in the works.

Well I gotta go. Be back soon
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@aol.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:43:07 PM
IP: spider-tf052.proxy.aol.com

Todd > yep, Iago said it; wow was he evil! Perhaps one of the greatest villains of all time. Doesn't make it any less true of a line, though!

Stephen > hey, congrats!

Gargoyle dreams > my fave was the one way back before I wrote "Passions;" the scene with Elisa on the rooftop being confronted by Vito's thugs, then lifted to safety by Goliath, was taken darn near verbatim from that dream.

Mandi and other concerned parties > I've said m'piece for now, I'm done unless provoked again. I don't hold grudges long. I never _forget_ them, though ...

Other stuff > I expect to have the Obi-Wan story done by the end of the week ; ) Woo-hoo!

Artists/Writers Question > okay, folks, I know we've got loads of talent out there ... what I'm wondering is how much interest there would be in submitting original fiction and artwork to a potential new webzine? Sabledrake Enterprises is contemplating beginning their own gaming and fantasy/sci-fi 'zine, each month with a different topic. With compensation such as merchandise discounts, free advertising, etc. Right now, it is all in the planning stages and I'd be in charge of the art and fiction end of things, so I'm scouting for interest. Drop me an e-mail, lemme know whatcha think! ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:16:21 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Ironwolf-- highschool was hell to for me and my husband. Know your not alone. And thank God- HS doesn't last forever
jenna
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 12:10:50 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Sorry the grammar was horrible on that post I guess it was a little too emotional.
ironwolf
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:20:11 AM
IP: host-209-215-9-109.cha.bellsouth.net

Robby> ok this is a post for the Administrator. This room while being dedicated to gargoyles dose have a lot of off topic talk. Banning a topic that dose not violate the pg. 13 rating is well wrong. You made a post as the admin to chastise the behavior of one of the dwellers here but mirrored his behavior?! If this comment upsets you sorry, but you were a tad out of line. If this gets me banned then so be it, but it is the off topics in this room that makes it so interesting and that is why I had to speak up. If you had posted as robby and not the admin then I would have ignored it, but you were speaking as the admin so I had too.

Ok real post now
Jenna the kids were doing mighty python skits during the shooting. Yea they were part of us not because they were out cast but because they shared likes and interests like books movies and rpg. I actually blamed the parents too until I dug a little deeper. I don’t approve of what they did but I understand why it happened like I said they broke and well decided on creative suicide. Mabey it is a little different for women in fandom on growing up I don’t I am male; but well their were three saving graces for me in highschool. One size. I was big and I could and did give out as much punishment as I took. The group beatings kinda stopped when I did my best to hurt them as much or more as they did to me. Fandom gave me the drive to want to be something better. Um ok this sounds conceited, but I always wanted to be a hero. Lastly I am to stubborn to commit suicide. Like I told jackal life is a b*tch and I refuse to give her the satisfaction. When I talk of beatings I don’t mean a black eye or a bloody nose I mean BEATINGS for some reason some groups can only get their jolly by physically torturing other people. It can be jocks hoods you name it. What have I seen it highschool? Here is a good double. Take one prep girl mabey a cheerleader. She picks her victim flirts with him rubs up against him in public to embrace him then let everyone know it was a dare or a joke then has the football team beat the snot out of him. You go through this every day and well you might snap. Yea those kids were nuts but that can happen if you go through the above enough. Why do kids do these things why do others let it happen I don’t know mabey fear. To my shame I have seen such a incident and thought thank god its not me I have also jumped in and helped as well, but too much it was the former; sigh. Somebody hits you in the head with a baseball bat and well you tend to plot their deaths. Its sanity that stops you, but how long can you remain sane? Highschool is the mortal equivalent of heaven and hell unfortunately for some it more of the later instead of the first.

ironwolf
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:17:37 AM
IP: host-209-215-9-109.cha.bellsouth.net

Whew!! I don't think I have ever gotten so many responses!! I may not get to everything just yet, so bear with me!

Sorow-- thanks! Glad you liked it.

Green Baron- hmmm-I'll have to read your fics-- my intrest is perked up.

Seravious JR-- thanks. That's exactly what I was trying to say. you hit the nail on the head as always.

Firestorm/ Pistoff -- thanks for responding. Pistoff- couldn't agree with you more.

Oracle- I didn't see it that way (you sh*tting Jenna)

Jenniren-- oh, I hate hypothetical situations! In this case, does she have any friends or family who can relieve her for a few hours or so? And what about Dad- what is he doing? Can he help- this is his kid too, and he has just as much invested in it. Try to solve the problem in the family first before just shipping the kid off.

I don't mean to bash daycare, or say people who have to work and use it are bad,ect.I was raised by a singele mom, so I know how hard it is, and many women are doing there damnest to make the best of a bad situation What bothers me is people who don't want to bother with there children, and have more intrest in themselves.Who if there is the slightest problem, shove the kid off to some outside source to deal with him. If this is the case, why did they have kids in the first place? WEll-- More later
Jenna
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:01:22 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Ugh, later I get to go downtown and test my nonexistant parallel parking skills. Anyway..

Robby> No fair! How come they didn't have cool classes like that when I went to high school? ;)

Coyote> Do you remember an old show called Cadillacs and Dinosaurs? Kind of a post-apocolypse where dinosaurs had returned to the earth. I was thinking about the gargoyles version. As for Josta, maybe that's why the quit selling it. Too bad, I used to get some of my best Creativity Demons from it.

******The following question contains spoilers for Mystery Men. If you have not seen the movie, do not read the question*************

Those who have seen it, was it just me, or did they never show anything happening to Cassanova Frankenstein's psychotherapist? It's like she just disappeared after the heroes busted in. Hmmmm, I smell sequel.

****************End spoilers*******************

I was wandering through a comic shop sunday, and guess who has their own book now? Sam and Twitch, the only two cops who may have to deal with more weirdness then Matt and Elisa.

Also picked up a cool Japanese book called Inu-Yasha: A Feudal Fairy Tale. Our heroes are a half-demon who spent fifty years pinned to a tree by an arrow and a Japanese schoolgirl from modern-day Tokyo who got sucked through a timewarp, and who seems to be the reincarnation of the priestess who defeated the half-demon and stuck him to the tree. Now the two of them have to wander through ancient Japan trying to find shards of the Jewel of Four Souls. Unfortunatly, I could only find bits and pieces of the story. I'll have to scrounge some cash and order the trade paperbacks. And I've rambled on way too long, so..

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:57:07 AM
IP: ppp-65.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Paul> First off, obviously you did listen since you responded and even posted your response. Second. Umm...what threat? gosh are you paranoid.
Oracle
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:24:28 AM
IP: dyn1-tnt2-146.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net

hi all!!

CR translations<thank you thank you thank you all of you whogave translations of the things that ppl will post I knew a couple, but soe of them I had yet to figure out!

Lexy< isn't this exciting!! I have never seen so many ppl willing to give money!! *g* I won't be on my comp for the next week, because my Mom is banning me from the comp for not geting off when I should have EX: when I was tired, or my time was up, that type of thing. So if you want to talk to me you will have to call me on the phone or come and see me! *pouts* oh well.

I gotta go to work now bye bye!! See ya Aug. 23 at 10:30 pm trust me I will be here!! bye! †
cherry blossom
WI, US of A
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:16:43 AM
IP: wbcml.hnet.net

Wilek - [ROTFLMSAO means Rolling On The Floor Laughing My <no idea> Arse Off.]

Maybe the S stands for silly? But I'm just guessing. I thought LOL meant "lots of laughs," though "laughing out loud" means pretty much the same thing.

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

Warpmind - [That Dumb @$$ who entered the library: I met him on the bus when leaving home Friday! Turns out he's not such a nutso after all, it was a test! I was being exposed to a bloody test! And what is odder: I PASSED! The test was on how polite the official employees were, and I PASSED!]

Sounds like Dr. Nguyen has reproduced. :Ţ

Jenna - What would you suggest in this situation. A woman thinks she wants to have kids. All her friends have kids and they look so adorable. Yes, she knows it will be work and require patience, but she believes she is prepared for that. Then she has a baby, and it is 100 times as difficult as she expected. She suffers from lack of sleep and the needs of the baby seem to be endless. Her husband may help out when he isn't at work, but this still doesn't give her much of a break. Then she starts to get these urges to beat the baby into silence and put an end to its incessant demands. She is horrified at herself and tries to put such thoughts out of her mind. But they keep recurring, and she is afraid that in a moment of frustration and despair she will do something she will regret the rest of her life. In such a case wouldn't you recommend day care, even at 5 weeks? Not everyone has the type of patience required to be a full-time Mom... and they may not realize it until they actually have the child. They may have to go to work to pay for the day care. I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes people have to choose the least of evils. Sending a child to daycare may be better than risking an uncontrollable surge of temper. Raising kids is really hard and requires more patience and a more stable personality than some parents have. Every time I hear in the news about a baby being beaten or smothered to death I think about this stuff. Getting a break by sending their kids (even babies) to day care may prevent a disaster.

I've got to go submit myself to my dentist's version of Mr. Thingy. I apologize for any typos or bad grammar - no time to go back and check.

Jenniren
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:14:09 AM
IP: user-2ivf1d7.dialup.mindspring.com

Mistakes made, correcting.
One, in the second, or third paragraph it should've been 'a question'.
Now it really is over.
Two, I forgot to respond to part of Kitainia's commentary.

Kitainia-The relationship between Fei and Elly was given attention because they were developing characters and all character developments were paid attention to in XENOGEARS. It was important in representing emotional support, I am not talking about romance here. There was a ton more emotional depth in the plot than just 'romance'. Supporting each other, later on that was used as a focal point to show how humans can understand each other, and can mutually coexist. Their relationship in terms of 'romantic aspects' was not important at all. Heck, the relationship didn't really have any romantic aspects to it, in this case it was pure human support, and caring. The relationship was really showing how humans need to depend on each other to get through their problems and mutually coexist.
If there was a romantic part of it, it was very slim. Hence Fei's and Elly's relationship had very little to do with the storyline in terms of romance.
If there was any romance in Fei's and Elly's relationship at all.

"Does one really need the power to destroy everything?"-Fei Fong Wong
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:47:40 AM
IP: 220.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Green Baron> Actually I don't. I only like Shining Force 2
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:35:12 AM
IP: dt049n74.san.rr.com

Oracle-Don't presume what's in my mind and don't attempt reverse psychology on me. I will do what I intended to do after reading Christine's response to my Post, and I will ignore threats from Robby, and the rest. Violence and threats achieve nothing, hence, I will not listen to them.

Points-As for the apology, it was sincere, Christine pointed out she didn't like the wording, so I'll rephrase it. It was an inadvertent insult, I was *told* by someone in here a better way to answer someone else's question.
I do not wish to insult anyone and was only answering a question. Even the most innocent of statements can be misinterpreted. Sure, the statement wasn't exactly innocent in terms of not being able to harm anyone, I'm referring to any statement having that possibility.
I do not have XENOGEARS memorized, I just have a good memory. I Quote from there, and I'll say it again, because it has a number of good lines. I am *not* trying to convince anyone to purchase the Game. There are plenty of other Quotes from other stories, but I use XENOGEARS mostly because it has the most lines.
You can either accept that or not, its your choice, everyone. I will not cease Quoting from various stories.
And I am not obsessed with XENOGEARS.

Comment-Before, someone said I didn't have to read the stories. I forget if I responded to this before. Why do you think I've stopped?

<Forget Name>-This isn't a continuation from something before. This is totally different.

Mandi-I know what you meant, I just don't think it takes courage. People are entitled to their own opinions.

Christine Morgan-All right, the apology was sincere, and the insults were inadvertent, in my mind, I was explaining why I didn't like your stories. But if you want that part to be ignored, and a fair apology... And even if you're don't, you're getting one, I'm not going to hurt anyone, I don't intend to hurt anyone.
My Errors: As has been pointed out by someone, I forget the name, I could have just said that 'I don't hold a grudge but I don't like Christine's stories because they aren't portrayed in-character.'. But then I wouldn't have been explaining why and it would've seemed insulting.
In my mind.
I made a mistake, can anyone accept that humans are imperfect, and can apologize, can be sorry, and so on.
I agree the other method would have answered the questions and would have been less potentially insulting. So I made a mistake. I think all of us have made mistakes in our lives, I've made a lot. As many people have pointed out when other people make mistakes, this room is supposed to be a Gargoyles Clan, in how the people support each other. If one of the Clan makes a mistake are the rest going to leave him/her in the dust or help him/her fix it!? Are the people going to support each other or not!!??
I know about the 'Public Form', I was just responding to a question. For whatever reason, it was a mistake. I said I'm sorry once before, I'll say it again, and if you people aren't satisfied, well, I'm not going to apologize again. If Christine isn't satisfied that's different.
I'm sorry for insulting you, and insulting your stories, whether it was advertent, or inadvertent. I'm sorry.
That's it.
That ends it, its over, let the past go by, and learn to forgive. Hasn't GARGOYLES taught anyone anything about forgiveness versus vengeance, vengeance versus forgiveness?
Again, thank you to the people who've attempted to understand me, and defend me.

The 'Who To Blame?' Debate-The parents aren't fully responsible for what their children do. They're supposed to protect and guide their children, but the kids have to make their own choices. Kids and teenagers aren't idiots, either. The people at Colorado wanted revenge, we all know how wrong that is. The person in Tennessee, or wherever it was, couldn't deal with that he lost one of his friends. Like he was quoted saying, he didn't have any reason to live anymore, or so he thought. Losing one friend isn't a big deal, but some people can be emotionally unstable. If you don't see what they're going through and don't attempt to support them people can do this. Humans are supposed to support each other to be able to live happily. No one can always get through every single situation by themselves.
Its the people, of course, but the blame goes to those who didn't comfort them, and the people who acted the wrong way itself.

Kitainia-Omni-Zophar giving you trouble, eh? When you see the disc of that (H-Word) Wave, what I'm guessing is giving you trouble, Defend if you need to run backwards to get off it, run forwards, and attack if you have it towards the back (right) area of the screen. Omni-Zophar can still be a problem, true. Just keep all your Healing Items for this battle, if you have any. I didn't, I talked to Ghaleon that final time before gathering Healing Items because I didn't know there'd be no way back once I got to Zophar's Citadel.
I still managed to win... But as to how, well, I'll give no hints here. Figuring it out is part of the fun.

Doug and Kitainia-What'd you think of the 'Pentagulia Approach', Lucia's choice after Hiro got encased in crystal, the revelations in Althena's Tower, the choice Lucia made there, the subsequent aftermath, and what happened to Ghaleon?
Now I trust you know what I'm saying when I say Ghaleon's not a villian?

"Does one really need the power to destroy everything?"-Fei Fong Wong
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:32:37 AM
IP: 220.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Haim Saban's Joyride> You know, there are actually a lot of Power Rangers fans who'd want to beat the sh*t out of him, too, believe it or not...
Mandolin
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 09:15:28 AM
IP: ch164-10.apgea.army.mil

Thankyou, skippy,wilek, & crzydemona for the answers,
crzydemona>> what do you mean you don't really LOL when reading this CR, my kid's think I'm insane because I ALWAYS find something very funny in here.

I have an observation for everyone here who is concerned about the Paul/Cristine/Jewel/& xenogears

It takes two to tango, two to argue, the simple solution is to reply to those things in the post that you can connect with, and then move on, it is difficult to argue with someone who will not argue back.

Off to work, perhaps to find some more fuel for our stupid customers collections.

Goodday all

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 08:57:20 AM
IP: 207.14.195.189

LEXY can you tell me if my E-mail is getting through,I just sent off a message but my ISP keeps throwing it back in my face:(
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 07:32:05 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

Hi all!!

Welcome all newbies to the CR!

Jenna/Ironwolf:Good points regarding Columbine.

Spacebabie:Have these people ben Joyrided yet? Brittney Spears and the Real World people?>>No they haven't but I'm sure we can add them to the list>:)

SJ:You know, I can't help but think, as the students return for the fall semester, that those kids would have a hell of a better time coping with returning if they *didn't* have every goddamn camera from every goddamn tv show from every goddamn network pointed at them. Jesus, can't we let these kids move on? Screw free speech or free press; this isn't that, it's just vultures hovering over carrion. Arseholes.>>I agree with you but the TV execs don't see it that way,so they'll just milk this story for all it's worth and then move on to the next disaster and repeat it all over again.

Coyote:"Happiness in Slavery": That was a ZICK ZICK ZICK video!!! Ohhhhh, the nightmares that video gave me ... and I saw the uncensored version too, so I know what part of that guy was fed into "Mr. Thingy" first ... **shudders**>>I've got the uncensored version as well so I know what your refering to>:)

Lexy:thank you for sending me your address I'll send off the cash asap.

Skippy:As for the Haim Saban Joyride, I want dib's on his ass! I'm sharpening my bat'leth and getting ready to kick some schlock-artist TV producer butt!!!>>your welcome to join in on the joyride if you want(There's always room for one more in the hearse)>:)

Wilek:Er...I've never heard of that. My Mr. Thingy looks rather like a surgical table (which can fold into something akin to a dentist's chair) with several mechanical arms, a tool rack, and a control panel.>>This machine is very similar exept it has a meat grinder for getting rid of the body>:)

Warpmind:That Dumb @$$ who entered the library: I met him on the bus when leaving home Friday! Turns out he's not such a nutso after all, it was a test! I was being exposed to a bloody test!>>Figures!

Joyride Action figures:I hope this doesn't sound ecotistical but the more I think about this the more I like it just think of it,the Cthulhu and DeVille playsets with break apart celebrities OOHH the possibilities>:)what do you think fellow Joyrider's?:)

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 07:07:58 AM
IP: 203.29.192.74

Hi, all.

I'm presently at school, writing this brief post. A few things I intend to mention, no more (and I do not need corrections on my grammar, this was intentional).

Joyriders: I might be able to gather the Joyride events from this week and last after all, but please... what happened after I checked in last time MUST be gathered and sent to me, because until the school's computers are upgraded completely, I cannot do more than read webpages and post here. And, naturally, check my web-based e-mail.

Got your description, Reverend Attila. No picture, though, but what the heck.

Fire Storm: Can't recall having seen you actually confirm that you let me borrow Sara, but the 'fic is basically done, and I'd really hate now if I were to lose one of the characters (and credit is given where credit is due... I just need to proofread and fine-tune a tad) and have to search for a new one. Had it been a mate for Lex or Brooklyn, it might have been easier... oh well, if I am allowed to post it, let me know, and if you won't allow it, well, better let me know then, too.

Christine: Preview is granted, as you requested. I'll see what I can do as soon as all the internet ports are opened again. And the card should be ok now. I think. Just try, and let me know if it's dysFUNctional, aye?

Ironwolf: Did I spot you commenting about all of Lex's mates coming from meetings online? Well, check out my writings, Episode 6(?): Abducted in particular. Now, Lex will eventually wise up, but he's still pretty oblivious to a certain female's attention... 'nuff said.

I think there was more, but right now I'm in a bit of a rush (ten people in the line to this computer, it's the only one that presently works). Oh, yes, now I remember.

That Dumb @$$ who entered the library: I met him on the bus when leaving home Friday! Turns out he's not such a nutso after all, it was a test! I was being exposed to a bloody test! And what is odder: I PASSED! The test was on how polite the official employees were, and I PASSED! Of course, politeness didn't help much for the helpful bit, so I doubt I'll ever get employed by the library again, but it was fun while it lasted... so whenever someone winds up asking such an unbelievably stupid question, don't utilize sarcasm. No matter how tempting. Okay, people are pricking me on the shoulder, so I better move. Might check back tomorrow.

So long.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 04:46:25 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Jenna> Wasn't disagreeing with you totally, just added a bit and was using yer topic of daycare and child rearing as a base for my post. Lots of ppl have blamed the parents for the shooting because they couldn't/did't want to/had cardboard bozes on their heads and they didn't expand as to why they felt this way.
And everyone else that seems to think I was sh*tting on Jenna> I wasn't. Never once said daycare or not paying attention to your kids was a cool thing to do. So blah.. =P~

SJ> Media vultures are exactly that - vultures. The story is dead and for some reason still feel the need to show it. Obviously no one cares about what the kids are thinking right now because I'll bet most of them want to forget about it.

This Paul/Christine?Jewel thing> Paul will never totally appologize, if appologize at all. He'll smoosh it between some crap like "I'm sorry if your sorry" or whatnot. I lurk constantly and have always seen this attutude from him that we're slightly lower on the totem pole because we're not eating, drinking a peeing Xenogears. I'm sure if Christine had some perverse obsession about it like he does, me might be more inclined to not crap on her so much. Might invite her to join his weekly worship ceremony. O.o OK, that was bad. Bad Oracle, BAD!!!

Oye... told you all I had PMS. *walks out*

Oracle
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 03:56:52 AM
IP: dyn1-tnt2-3.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net

**RP!**

[Darth Jashin: "What I want from you is...your replication technology. Your ability to exchange matter and energy." Administrator: "That technology is proprietary, to say nothing of its potential in the wrong hands." Jashin: "Believe me when I say that I will be no threat to you. Besides, isn't what I'm offering more than worth it? And, to you, this price is a trifle. As nothing. Nothing you can't easily replace, at any rate. There is no way that either of us can lose from this transaction." Admin: "What if we derive no benefits from your sample?" Jashin: "In that unlikely event, I offer my temporary services and those of my assistant. I'm willing to wager that there are no Force users currently in the employ of the station's owners, or you would not even consider my offer. Think carefully, miss, before dismissing my offer so easily."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Xanathar> <<Cool we could even end up being action figures(Now there's a disturbing tought):)>> I don't know; I think action figures of me and Miriam would be very kick-arse. ;) <<Is Mr. Thingy anything like the machine from the Nine inch Nails music video Happiness and slavery>> Er...I've never heard of that. My Mr. Thingy looks rather like a surgical table (which can fold into something akin to a dentist's chair) with several mechanical arms, a tool rack, and a control panel. It's named after something from the Far Side comic strip.

Jenna> <<Believe it or not, I have already got flamed for this piece>> Er...what? Why? What would someone not like about this?

Greg Bishansky> Happy birthday! :D

Marina> Interesting ficbit, but it's kind of against policy to post whole fics in here. But there's nothing wrong with shamelessly plugging them once they're in the archive. ^_^ Hm...I see Derk gets his hairstyling ideas from the same place I do. :P

All newcomers> Welcome! :D Now where's the sanity extraction equipment--oh wait, we've modified Mr. Thingy to do that. Who's first? Don't mind the stains...

Ravenhurst> <<I've read up to Seeds of Change, and haven't seen anything new in a while. I suppose it's possible everyone's gone on vacation...>> Actually, the second season's over; the third season starts in probably a few months.

Christine> <<I may have to stoop to breaking my motto about not writing anyone into a fic for the purposes of revenge ...>> Heh heh heh...I find myself glad I never made such a promise. I wonder what I'll be doing with Dr. Nguyen...

Mandolin> <<That report I've been agonizing over - the historical background part of it, that is - is FINALLY DONE!>> I'm glad; I've heard those things are a real pain in the tail. :)

Kitainia> <<Cool idea for a council of dragons>> Thanks. ^_^ <<The baby dragon you're thinking of was named Li>> Ah...somehow I knew it was something like that; it was hiding in the back of my head and wouldn't come out when I tried to remember it. My brain malfunctions like this all the time (believe it or not, I had this kind of experience with Lyta Alexander's name). Thanks! :D

Robby> <<And my ISM teacher has already set it up so that Wensday I meet Ben Dunn, one of the local comic gods who works at Antarctic Press!>> Wow. That sounds so kewl! <<I'll take that request!>> Kewlies!...er, how will I get the pics? Or have you gotten a scanner?

$Spacebabie> <<Have these people ben Joyrided yet? Brittney Spears and the Real World people?>> Not yet. Hm...who's on our list by now? Devlin, Saban, Spears, the Real World cast...we have ourselves a job to do. >:) $

Airwalker> Wow...if the Beast Machines pics on that site are any indication of what the show will be like...*woah*...

Hey, has anyone else here seen the odd obscure Japanese movie 'Story of Ricky'? I just read a review/synopsis of it, and it looks to me like an extended Mr. Disconnect death. :)

Jenniren> <<ROTFL Where do you hear about this stuff?>> Heh...www.rinkworks.com has this and all kinds of other bizarre stuff for the truly warped. >:) <<The dentist gets hold of me tomorrow - leaky filling needs replacing>> ACK. I am so sorry; no one should ever have to come within a mile of a dentist more than once in their life.

Fire Storm> Fifteen times? ACK!!! <brandishes a dual-blade chainsaw> Oh DC... <<what about other clans? Could there possibly be someone BETTER looking?>> Other than me? ;P

Delphi> <<now what do these mean? ROTFL ROTFLMSAO LOL>> ROTFL means Rolling On The Floor Laughing, LOL means Laughing Out Loud, and ROTFLMSAO means Rolling On The Floor Laughing My <no idea> Arse Off.

Sarge Abernathy> <<is there by chance a way to get to the chat room through a Telnet application?>> Er...I don't know. :} <<WAHHHGO BANZOOOO!!! WEHEHEHEHE HORAYYYYYY! YIP YIP YIP ! WONKA WONKA! ZIP BANG! BRoink BRoink!!!!! BEEP BEEP ZIP BANG!>> No thanks, I already have a penguin. Hope is NOT a thing with feathers, the thing with feathers is my nephew, and I have to take him to a specialist in Zurich. Some of my colleagues think that regular visits to the CR could potentially cause brain damage, however I think that fish crunchy bits of salami my new red hippie noodle. Naked pool frogs? (It's always the quiet ones.)

Mary Flanders> AAACCCKKK!!! That sounds hideous! Best of luck disposing of her. ;)

Green Baron> <<Little Tommy screams a little as the holy water is poured on his head>> O_o' Oh dear...Does the child have any...odd...birthmarks?

$Jaden> That was a short RP. :P j/k$

**RESUME RP!**

[Admin: "Very well. I accept your offer." Jashin: "Good. Have the equipment delivered to the starship Elysium's Bane, in one of the hangar bays. I take it I'm to report to sickbay?" "No need," a voice replies from the shadows. Its originator steps into the room--it's Wilek's Borg clone (who still has yet to be named). He extends his hand and deploys his assimilation tubules--then finds himself unable to move. Jashin: "I'm not going to allow anything that comes out of a Borg into my body." The Borg gargoyle staggers back a few steps, as if pushed by an invisible hand, and replies: "Freud would have a field day with you." Admin: "Escort him to the medical center." The Borg clone nods and leaves the room, expecting Jashin to follow. The Jedi and his droid exchange a somewhat suspicious glance before leaving.]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 03:17:26 AM
IP: tnt-3-175-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Wilek: A fund for me and Crzy? Awwwwww! I think she was just kidding, but what the hell. If she's willing, so am I. ;) And I've heard about the Pepsi translation, but not the others. Whooooaaaaa! I...had...*NO* idea! O_o

Xanathar: Action figures? Bitchin'!

Cherry Blossom: Well, Goliath *might* giggle if Elisa tickled him. Or maybe it would just be a normal-sounding laugh. If he's ticklish, anyway. Of course, if he ever *did* giggle, it would be a most amusing sound.... ;)

Jenna: **applause** Right on! I agree completely. It's terrible that you got fired just because you wanted to be there for your kids. For them to say you didn't take the job seriously because of that is just plain arrogant and uncaring. Children are our future, and if we start screwing 'em up from the moment of their birth, we might as well just push the button and get it over with. Instead of blaming all of our problems on movies, music, TV shows, guns and trenchcoats, we should, as you said, nurture and teach our children. We need to teach our kids the difference between right and wrong, and we need to make sure that they grow up to become decent, compassionate people--because, in a few decades, our kids will be running the show. How they run things depends on us.

Crzy: I didn't say I was kidding. I said, I thought *you* might just be kidding around, but I said yes anyway, just in case. If you're interested, so am I. Besides, apparently people are planning to take up a collection for us. So...sure, I'll marry you. :D Ball and chain, eh? Hey, whatever works is fine with me. :)

Kitainia: Welcome back! :)

Green Baron: Welcome back to you, too! And how much is Rev. Atilla's fee? I'm on minimum wage, here... ;)

Robby: Congrats!! :D

SJ: I agree about the Columbine thing. The media vultures are milking this one for all it's worth, just as they milked the JFK Jr. and Princess Di trajedies. Will those bastards *ever* learn to back off? I doubt it....

Coyote: Ehhh...josta translates as "excrement"?! Well...holy josta!! ;)
Pistoff - [pistoff@outgun.com]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 03:16:48 AM
IP: wire-26.koalas.com

traveler: I'm here traveler and I'll take a look at your e-mail message and reply, right after I make this post.

I'm glad some of you people realize that Goliath's not a stiff. Power to you people!

Shauntell: Wow! Those three are my favorite characters, too. That's how I was able to enjoy the Avalon World Tour thing. "...I just got tired of Goliath being called a 'stiff'." So did I. That's why I kept explaining a million times over why he's not a stiff. By the way, great list! Power to you!

CrazyDemona:"Just for the record, I think my version of cute widdle Demona beats my skinny widdle Goliath pic any day. Doesn't she just look like a barrel of trouble waiting to happen? SO CUTE!" (scoffs) I don't think so.(you drew it, didn't you?) You just drew that skinny widdle Goliath too cutely to beaten by the widdle Demona picture. He's just ADORABLE. Just look at this picture. That little loincloth and those skinny little legs are just too much. The Goliath one is the cutest, so there! (sticks out tongue) j/k


Angie - [Goliathgirl5@yahoo.com]
USATuesday, August 17, 1999 02:40:05 AM
IP: dial208.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net

...
+
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 02:09:00 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

****END RP!!!****
My God! There is like 2 1/2 nights worth of new posts here. I guess a lot has happened.

Well I have to hurry 'cause I need to sleep. I have to be up early since I too much finish my registration and go buy my college books. (I can't believe I'm paying money to take a speech class)

Robby- I'm just glad to help, we all are. I mean Coyote put in 50...by the way I think the next fund raiser should be for him.

Sorrow- I do believe that your right. He would. Everyone would want him to sign their yearbooks.

Lexy-It will be on its way by tomorrow I hope.

Well, bed time!
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:59:39 AM
IP: pm0-49.vpop1.avtel.net

Okay... first off... Ophelia is DA BOMB!

Now that that is out of my system....

DELPHI! Here are the answers to your questions:

ROTFL - Rolling on the floor laughing (we roll a lot around here)

ROFLMAO - (also known as Roll For Mayo) Rolling on floor laughing my @$$ off.

LOL - Laughing out loud. (generally we aren't actually doing these things... but it signifies that we are much amused)

***

Pistoff, oh Pistoff? ... Where for art thou? Hey love... I couldn't get you an engagement ring so I conjured up a ball and chain instead... how does that sound? I thought it was SO appropriate. ::snickers::

Skippy - YOU ARE MY SPECIAL FRIEND! Goodness, you crack me up.

Well... off to bed now... remember... Avoid Colorado Springs (home of Trench Coat Mafia and Pikachu slaughtering pastors) at all costs... Oh... sorry for the late info there, Green Baron. ::sheepish grin::
CrzyDemona
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:48:22 AM
IP: mp2e1.ez2.net

OK, everyone. Time for my itinerary on Colorado Springs.

***Friday***
I arrive in the afternoon at Colorado Springs airport and I am greeted by my Aunt Sarah and Uncle Tom (the grandparents of my godson). We go to my Cousin Tommy and I meet and hold my godson, little Tommy (who is Cousin Tommy's son). Then, my Uncle and I go to Seven Falls an dtake a nice long hike around the whole area. The terrain is beautiful and wonderful to see. After we return to my cousin's apartment, we are greeted by my Cousins Katie and Missy, Cosuin Tommy's sisters. After dinner there, I returend with my Aunta nd Uncle to Kitty's home where I stayed. Kitty is a friend of Aunt Sarah's and a retired Air Force Colonel.

***Saturday***
We go to the Catholic Chapel at the Army Base (Cousin Tommy is an Army Sergeant). Cosuin Katie and I (the godparents) stand next to Cousin Tommy and Manuela (his wife). The christening goes well, but Little Tommy screams a little as the holy water is poured on his head. We return to cousin Tommy's apartment and have a little Christening party. I drink some champagne and remember how awful it tastes. Next is the opening fo the presents and everyoen loves the littel rosary I got for my godson, though he is too young to use it now.

After the aprty we return to Kitty's and changed into more casual clothes to go up to Pike's Peak. It was a beautiful view especially for a kid who lives below sea level. Th etop was cold and windy, and it felt nice going down as I could breath easier and feel warmer.

***Sunday***
This was my last day. We arrived too late for the Latin Mass offered at St. Mary's Cathedral, so went to the Catholic Chapel at the Air Force Academy (my Uncle is very devout and an Air Force veteran, and I imagine little Tommy will serve in teh military too when he is older), which was very nice. After Mass, I arrived at the airport in time to leave for New Orleans

Okay. That's it. Not too exciting but a greta trip IMO. Did you see the Chapel on your trip to your brother's garduation, SOROW?

SOROW> You like, huh? ::gives her a few more spankings:: What do you have for me :)

Coyote> 700 lira equal $.31 :)

Kathy and Delphi> I am rather naughty and I owe much of it to Christine Morgan for corrupting me :)

Lexy> I'll give mroe, but that was for shock value :)

SJ> Very good points, too.

James Bridsong> You like Xenogears? I should have guessed :)

Now, I'm off. Goodnight





Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
God created man and woman; Colonel Colt made them equal
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:29:46 AM
IP: abd0f820.ipt.aol.com

*Enters*
SOMEBODY CHOP OFF MY SISTER'S HEAD, PULEEEEZE!!!!!!!!!! Ahhh....
Ye Gods, somebody save me from my miseries!!! OK, everybody knows that your junior year is pretty much the toughest year. I have Algebra 2/Trig, American Literature, Advanced Biology, Chemistry, Drama 1, photography, and German 4. The math, english, and biology will most likely have teachers that hate students and are very tough graders. *grumbles* bad enough to have my sister tell me how much I'm going to die...>:( I won't have much time for Anime Club or Science Fiction Club! :(

*pulls out giant bat and goes off hunting for The Evil One*
Mary Flanders
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:22:11 AM
IP: ramp-1-9.ucdavis.edu

Goliathgirl-Where are you, you haven't posted in a while and you didn't awnser my e-mail.

Everyone-I think that this Cristine-paul-Jewel thing would end a lot sooner if we just stopped posting about it and if paul would get his real apoligy out.

Paul-I would like to have alot of people to discuss my dislikes and likes with [thats why I came to an already crowded room], but it seemes that your love for Xenogears is stronger than your love for gargoyles. I think that most of us are obssesed with gargoyles , thats why we make the time to come here and disscuss that with others. But if you love quoting Xenogears so much in a gargoyles comment room, and you don't like the negative feedback , than why don't you find a Xenogears comment room or something like that. It has gotten way past annoying , and not all of us know what your talking about. Maybe you should try a Xenogears quote in every third post or one quote a day. Then see if you get as much negative feedback. I understand that you love other things besides gargoyles [I have other interests , not alot though , but some], but this is a gargoyles comment room , and we would like to keep it that way.
Maybe I should quote something out of place every post and see if I get alot of negative feedback, or maybe I should just quote every once in a while as not to run out of quotes.

It's real early morning , no-one is awake . I'm back at my cliff, still throwing things off. I listen to , the sounds they make, on their way down. I follow with my eyes 'till they crash. I wonder what my body would sound like slammin' against those rocks ,and when it lands,will my eyes, be closed or open. Bjork-Hyperballad
Signing off now. Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters.
So, what .I'm about as obsessed with bjork as paul is with Xenogears.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:20:57 AM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

OKAY! Here I go.....first off to be said by me is that I never added a comment to this room or gone to the chat room ever. Being a large Gargoyle fan this is a travesty for me.

I've loved the TGS season since the beginning. True I thought it a bit tacky that Brooklyn went through 40 years of travel but as soon as I started reading the series i thought that they were superb!

I myself am a fan-fic writer, my first story to the gargoyles was a complete flop (Don't laugh joel and Dylan), my ideas for fan-fics are in my head, but never on paper because I'm scared people will steal my ideas.

However I do have a question concerning your chat room.

I am slightly illeiterate at the internt world.....is there by chance a way to get to the chat room through a Telnet application?

If reading this made you feel that I may perhaps be pompus arrogant and weird then let the following make sure that the idea won't go into your head.

WAHHHGO BANZOOOO!!! WEHEHEHEHE HORAYYYYYY! YIP YIP YIP ! WONKA WONKA! ZIP BANG! BRoink BRoink!!!!! BEEP BEEP ZIP BANG!

Thank you....that is all.

The ever so weird and cheerful Sarge
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 01:00:44 AM
IP: spider-tf064.proxy.aol.com

Lexy> NP about the ID's I'm running about three different ones around the net at the moment, even I get confused :)

As for the Haim Saban Joyride, I want dib's on his ass! I'm sharpening my bat'leth and getting ready to kick some schlock-artist TV producer butt!!!

Gimme a day or two and I'll moiderize 'em!!!
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Tuesday, August 17, 1999 12:16:07 AM
IP: uv1-48.ultravision.net

Thanks for the abbr. definitions
now what do these mean?
ROTFL
ROTFLMSAO
LOL
??????
I haven't figured those out yet



Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:56:49 PM
IP: 207.14.195.134

Sorry for the 4x post, but....

YES! YES YES YES YES YES!

<Does happy dance>

Must have been the spaces.
Fire Storm
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:51:39 PM
IP: solaris1.visitus.net

DERN MR.DC! Disconnected me a few times when I was trying to press submit!

Christine and Paul: I have been watching this for most of the time it has happened, and I must say one thing about this whole thing:
Didn't sonthing like this happen a few months ago, or is this a continuation?

Jenna: I have to say that I agree with you on your issues. (Some are my own, and I am not sure if you wrote of them.)
1. Let us read/watch what we want. If you do not like it, don't make the rest of us suffer.
2. Parents should be more responsible for thier children
3. Teens and kids are WAY too stupid!
a. With all the anti-Drug/Smoking/drinking/unprotected sex/Gang stuff out there telling of the dangers of these things, THEY STILL DO IT!
b. They actually think they will get away with it!
4. Gun control should be in the hands of the PERSON, NOT the government

These are just a few of my opinions.

DarkAngel: (Cool name!) COOL to be a teenage mother? Oh, I wish you were joking! I can't believe it!

SORROW: I may agree that Brooklyn may be the best looking of his clan, but what about other clans? Could there possibly be someone BETTER looking?


(Guess someone posted before I did!)
15th times a charm...
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:50:46 PM
IP: solaris1.visitus.net

TO ANYONE WITHIN THE SOUND OF MY VOICE!

MR. DC is holding me hostage and WILL NOT allow me to finish my previous post!

Everytime I press SUBMIT, my computer disconnects from my ISP!
Fire Storm
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:49:07 PM
IP: 216.90.45.195

Skippy - That website devoted to Star Trek and the number 47 was great. Thanks for posting it. :D

Lexy - What's this? I "pleaged?" Oh dear. I didn't mean to. Not in public anyway. ;) But I got your email and I will mail my $5.00 pledge to the Robby/Heather fund tomorrow. It's all envoloped up and ready to go.

Jewel - Your mother stole over $2000 from you?!! I'm speechless. What disgusting behavior.

S.J. and Zath - Wellcome back.

Pistoff - [Somehow, he realized that he could make the wipers work by touching one of the wires against the window handle. An electric arc would jump from the exposed end of the wire to the handle, and the wipers would move.]

Ouch.

Wilek - [Pepsi was a little more ambitious; its slogan 'Pepsi comes alive' translated to 'Pepsi brings your ancestors back from the grave'... Monkey Spanker... Six Naked Pigs... fried hormones]

ROTFL Where do you hear about this stuff? :) :) :)

Robby - Congratulations on your ISM coup. You'll have to tell us how it goes.

David G. - [The Rosicrucians have a web page. So do the Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria.]

I found a website for the Rosicricians at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2092/

I couldn't find a legitimate Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria (Illuminati) website, but there are a number of tongue-in-cheek sites, including the following:
http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/illuminati_invitation.html

Thor in the Gargoyles universe - might be interesting. The Marvel Thor didn't bear much resemblance to the Thor of Norse mythology. The Gargoyles version would probably be closer to the original. I wonder if he'll ever show up in TGS.

The dentist gets hold of me tomorrow - leaky filling needs replacing :(

Jenniren
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:41:12 PM
IP: user-2ivf0eu.dialup.mindspring.com

ROBBY - <blinks!> You get to hang out with BEN DUNN!!?? Duuuuuuude! You are #1 luckest guy in the world! Wish I could have his ear for a few hours! I have a few new ideas that would really twist his interest knob!

I know it's dang bold of me, but would you ask him if he'd be willing to listen to a couple of ideas for some new books or comics? If not, I'll understand...

LEXY - Is it too late to donate? I can spare $5.00 I think...

More from me later... Maintain and Check Six! :)
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:35:00 PM
IP: m65.ieway.com

DERN LOT BOYS!

Hit TAB then SPACE.

Will continue to finish that post ASAP. Just wanted to put in this before anyone else posts.
Fire Storm
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:26:56 PM
IP: 216.90.45.155

**enters the room, switching out the candles. Pulls up two chairs to the Tea Table of Peace**

Okay you two ... settle your differences like the mature people I know ye are ... well, at least that I know Christine is. This thing is gettin' *way* out of control.

Wilek, re: Great Lakes: Take yer pick ... either Lake Huron or Lake Superior.

Shauntell: That's ... quite a thorough list there.

Sj, Kitainia: My sincere thanks on your complements on "Team Bravo." I'll make sure "Team Charlie" is up to the high standards ye have set. :)

Pistoff, re: bad translations: You're forgetting my all-time three favorites:
* Perdue Chicken's slogan "It takes a tough man to make a tender chicken" was translated into another language (don't remember which) as "It takes a sexually aroused man to make a chicken affectionate."
* Chevrolet had trouble marketing the Nova in Spanish speaking nations because "no va" translates to "it doesn't go."
* Most recently, Pepsi brought out a guarana-enriched citrus soft drink called Josta, trying to market it to health-conscious customers. Just hope they don't try to market it in Brazil or Portugal, as "josta" in Portuguese is "excrement." :)

Xanathar, re: "Happiness in Slavery": That was a ZICK ZICK ZICK video!!! Ohhhhh, the nightmares that video gave me ... and I saw the uncensored version too, so I know what part of that guy was fed into "Mr. Thingy" first ... **shudders**
Let's just put it this way ... Dallas notwithstanding, the next time I soak in a hotel bathtub, I'm wearin' a steel codpiece!!

Ravenhurst: Oh come on, be sociable. We don't bite ... hard, at least. ;)
Welcome to the posting section of the room.

Lil: Same to you. Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome!

Aaron: You'll be sure to share *that* CD with me ... seeings as how my two pet obsessions spawned it. :)
Oh, and don't feel too bad, Crzy hasn't proposed to me, either ... although I think Crow propositioned me in Mara's MSTing. :)

Mandi: You have every right to be thrilled to have that devilish project done. :)

GB: You naughty naughty man, you! Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but 700 lira is about $5, isn't it?

SJ: Congrats on the weight loss, wish I could lose that much.

David G.: Yeah, don'tcha just hate it when a book you like seems destined to die? 'Tis happened to me far too many times (the most painful of these being "Freex," mainly because when it was $#!t-canned it was getting at its most interesting ... and for sure I will *never* consider the terrible last issue the real ending, mainly because it was way too convenient.
**SPOILERS AND COMPLAINING AHEAD**
I mean come on, it's so convenient that Plug left half of his brain in an alien computer and is able to reroute the team's entire *reality* so that terrible things never happen ... f/i, Plug never dies because he never existed (replaced by AJ) and Sweet-Face is no longer pregnant. That would've been a *killer* storyline, and it was snuffed before it even had a friggin' CHANCE!!
**END SPOILERS AND COMPLAINTS**)

**sighs, sits back in the big chair and fixates on the candle's flame once more**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:26:23 PM
IP: modem68.i-is.com

Christine and Paul: I have been watching this for most of the time it has happened, and I must say one thing about this whole thing:
Didn't sonthing like this happen a few months ago, or is this a continuation?

Jenna: I have to say that I agree with you on your issues. (Some are my own, and I am not sure if you wrote of them.)
1. Let us read/watch what we want. If you do not like it, don't make the rest of us suffer.
2. Parents should be more responsible for thier children
3. Teens and kids are WAY too stupid!

Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:25:49 PM
IP: 216.90.45.155

of course Goliath is not ALWAYS stiff...
it's true that you can see a lot of emotions trought his eyes...
deep emotions and also passion.
when he begin one of is speach about family or gargoyles way or whatever,you see that he realy think what he's saying and that mean something to him.
Owen almost always say every thing with the same tone.
Lil
Montréal, nowhereland
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:25:22 PM
IP: dialup-894.hip.cam.org

Click my name if you want to be disturbed. I do believe we've found ourselves a member of the Fundamentalist Extreme. <shudder>

Real post later.
Wilek
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:15:04 PM
IP: tnt-3-175-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Airwalker> Eric Masterson. Thanks. That's been driving me crazy since I thought of it. You're right that the Eric and Rory aren't perfect parallels. The main idea I had in mind was the "normal guy suddenly thrown into an abnormal world" thing. The fact that a mystic artifact was the catalyst is another point of similarity, but I never meant to imply that they were really close.

If I gave it some thought, I could come up with some better examples, but talking about Thor reminded me about Thunderstrike.

I was a bit hard on the book, which was slightly unintentional. My main complaint was with Code Blue, which didn't ever really work for me. I liked the idea of cops trying to deal with supers. I just never really liked Code Blue.

The last couple of issues, where they were rushing to end the book because yet another new title didn't catch on also kind of soured me on it. I really liked the central ideas, just not always the execution of those ideas. I guess part of it was that I really liked the character while Masterson was hanging with Thor, and I realized the book was going to die about the same time I decided to start collecting it.

Some days I really hate the comic book industry.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:11:28 PM
IP: pppa25-fortworthb15-2r662.saturn.bbn.com

***BEGIN RP****
In the medical ward of the Avatar of Ganon, SJ still stood patiently--and nervously--by the bedside of the fallen Kari. The young hero held his friend and partner's hand in his own. He couldn't help feeling down, though. In his heart, he felt that he was responsible for her predicament, no matter if she had chosen to accompany him of her own accord or not. And he felt small, no bigger than an insect. He was a brilliant scientist, capable of marvelous wonders in genetics...yet he could not save this girl that he cared about.
"She's dying, you know," a voice called out from behind him. SJ spun around, but he could see no one there.
"What? Hello? Who's there?" he asked cautiously.
"She's dying. Her wounds are too severe, she'll never recover," the voice continued.
SJ began to grow a bit angry. "Who's there? Look, pal, I don't know who you are, but--"
"Her magic is the only thing keeping her alive, but even that will fail in time. She's a lost cause."
"You lying son of a....where are you? Coward! Show yourself." SJ's fists clenched.
"You know I'm not lying. It is the others who are lying to you, about her."
"Why would they lie to me? They'd tell me if her condition was fatal!"
"No, they wouldn't. They know your feelings for her. They didn't want you to lose hope. And they themselves hang on to the slim chance that she will recover. All in vain, of course."
"WHO ARE YOU??" SJ screamed, looking for the source of the voice.
A man appeared from the shadows. He was abnormally pale, with thick, long black-hair down to the middle of his back. He had a handsome face, and was dressed completely in black except for his trenchcoat--which was blood red. He smiled at the young scientist. "The name is not important," the man said. "What I'm offering is."
****PAUSE RP*****

Day Two of my blissful return back to the CR. Good to be back where I belong! First off, I'd like to give a shout out to....ME!!! What's the occasion? I went shopping for clothes today (cause school resumes next week), and thanks to the last few weeks of rigid dieting, I have now dropped down two sizes in my pants and one size in my shirts! While this may seem like nothing to some of you, to someone like me, who has unfortunately always had a bit of a gut, this is something of a personal victory. I'm nowhere near where I want to be (i.e. having the physique of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin or Bill Goldberg ;), but this fat ass of mine has gotten somewhat smaller!

Jenna: Kudos on a great story!!! Being a creationist, I enjoyed your sort of "religious" take on the creation of the Gargoyles. I'm sorry someone has flamed you, though. We're all supposed to be fairly tolerant; it would upset me if someone took offense to something other than an evolution slant on Gargoyle creation.

Jewel: Are you gonna be posting in here regularly from now on? I hope so. We've missed you, and 1 or 2 posts followed by several months of silence isn't enough Jewel for some of us :)
BTW, if you'd like, check over at Cinescape (www.cinescape.com). They have some links of Neil Gaiman talking about his upcoming film products. In summary: the Neverwhere movie is happening, they're just waiting for a director and a cast; the Books of Magic are making their way to the screen; a Death movie is still in development hell; and, mercifully, the Jon Peters' Sandman movie is going nowhere.

Columbine: You know, I can't help but think, as the students return for the fall semester, that those kids would have a hell of a better time coping with returning if they *didn't* have every goddamn camera from every goddamn tv show from every goddamn network pointed at them. Jesus, can't we let these kids move on? Screw free speech or free press; this isn't that, it's just vultures hovering over carrion. Arseholes.
And Ironwolf, I think you left out some important facts about the two shooters: yes, they may have been part of "fandom", and outcasts like some of us are, but that doesn't give them the excuse to do what they did. In fact, even though many of us have probably been pushed to the edge, and I'm sure some of us have felt like picking up a gun from time to time, NOTHING can excuse us from carrying out the kind of crime those kids committed. No matter how much punishment they experienced--no matter how much suffering *we* may experience--there is no justification, none whatsoever, for them shooting everyone to hell and back. I don't give a damn if they were part of fandom, they had no right to do what they did, and I for one don't enjoy being associated in any way with them, even if they did perchance happen to share my same tastes in movies or music or games.

Oracle and Dark Angel: I wish you both had seen the last episode of South Park, that aired last Wensday. In it, Stan's mother and father divorce, leaving Stan with a host of emotional problems. There was a throw away segment of that episode that struck me as quite ironic, and hideously true of modern day parenting:

Stan's Mom: Stanley, you're the most important thing in my life.
Stan: So does that mean you'll get back together with dad?
Stan's Mom: No, Stanley. I meant you're the most important thing in my life after _my_ happiness, _my_ personal life, and _my_ new romances.

I think this is the point that Jenna was trying to make. Nowadays, parents do seem to be taking less interest in their child's life, focusing more on their own careers, their own happiness, their own lives. Now I know that some parents *have* to work to make ends meet, but in more modern times parents do tend to be a bit more selfish than in the past. Children in a day care at 5 WEEKS??? Ask any child psychologist, ANY one, they'll tell you that an infant should remain in the home for the first year, not in a day care. It probably sounds like more right-wing, conservative, religious right BS, but families *have* begun to break down in America. That's part of social change, but again, ask any child psychologist, and they'll tell you that a child who grows up in a stable home with *both* parents who care for them is infinitely more capable of succeeding in life. Family is *not* overrated, it's absolutely precious. When parents don't put place their child's lives on an extraordinary high priority in their lives, problems can arise. I know, I speak from experience. Probably the only reason I'm not a total sociopath is because at least one of my parents actually gives a damn about me, and cared enough to raise me right.
Don't get me wrong, I'm placing the blame solely on the parents. I think that there were many reasons for the whole Columbine tragedy; it was a disaster that was unfortunately building up for a long time, and fingers can be pointed at many things (IMO, not movies, games, or music, but that's besides the point). However, I'm not willing to totally let parents off the hook, because in my experience, in today's modern age quite a few of the problems that children have are in some way related to their parents. Not all of them, mind you, but problems do exist. Perhaps this is my own slanted view on the situation, but that's the way I see things.

Thor vs. Gargoyles: Well, it's the Gargs show, so of course they'd win. Honestly though? No offense, but I see Goliath and the clan, when involved in a real fight with the old Norse God, as nothing more than smears on the wall within 10 minutes.
Personally, though, I like the fact that Marvel has humanized the Norse gods. I find them far more interesting if they are more "human" or relatable to "normal mortals". But then again I've always found the more "human" superheroes (Batman, Daredevil, etc.) to be far more interesting than any of the godlike heroes of comics, such as Thor or Superman.

***RESUME RP****
SJ approached the strange man cautiously. "What are you talking about? Who are you?"
"I'm a friend," the man said. "Or rather, I want to be, if you'll let me. And I'm here to help. As I've said before, your lady friend over there is dying."
"I don't believe you," SJ said, his jaw set.
The man shrugged. "Whatever. Do so if you wish. I'd suggest you talk to a medic before you make any final decisions as to my validity."
SJ reluctantly exited the room and grabbed a medical Borg. "What is Kari's condition?" he demanded.
"She is still in a coma, sir. We are doing the best we can, but it will still be some time befo--"
"She's not waking up, is she?"
The Borg tilted its head. "We are a bit confused by your query."
"She's not waking up, am I right? She's never coming out of her coma is she?"
"There is insufficient data to support that claim. She may awake in time--"
"In time? In time?!?! Tell me--what is the probability that she *will* recover?"
The Borg hesitated before answering. "30 percent. And falling with every day she does not come out of her coma. The damage to her systems was quite extensive...somewhat beyond even our ability to completely repair."
Stunned by this news, SJ, feeling numb to the core, returned to her room to face the strange man. "How...how did you know..."
"I know many things," the man said. "Like I said, I'm here to help you--and her. Does anything besides that really matter?"
"What can you do for her?" the young hero asked, his face ashen and his eyes closed.
"I can heal her completely. She'll be back to normal immediately."
"So what's the deal. Something tells me your motives are entirely altruistic."
The man smiled, his thin lips curling upwards. "Well, now that you mention it, I did have an offer prepared...."
****END RP FOR NOW****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, August 16, 1999 10:51:46 PM
IP: 207-172-53-75.s75.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Green Baron > You naughty, naughty boy! :)

Goliath's not always stiff. Stoic and moody, but that goes with his job. But we've seen him angry, frustrated, happy, proud, sad and even passionate over the last two years of TGS.

Happy Birthday Greg B.! Many happy returns of the day.

Christine > Welcome back. I hope Ashland was beautiful as always.
kathy
Monday, August 16, 1999 10:26:03 PM
IP: client24095.atl.mediaone.net

TO ALL NEWCOMERS - Welcome! Just so you know, there is another Gargoyles Comment Room at Station 8 that usually isn't as crowded as this place. Feel free to stop by there as well as here. (Click my name to get there.)


ROBBY - You wrote: [I don't know if I'm looking forward to this or not... All the characters are gonna be wierd...]

Look forward to BEAST MACHINES. The preview they showed this weekend was that impressive. I do admit though that the new designs on the Maximals do take a little getting used to - particularly Black Arachnia. (I think her Transmetal 2 look was much better but since that form never shows up in the new series, it's not worth complaining about.) The episodes are supposed to be interconnected and the people in charge of the series describe it as a novel that runs across 26 episodes/2 seasons.

Also just in case that hasn't assured you, consider this - The new team in charge of BEAST MACHINES are Marty Isenberg and Bob Skir - the writers of Gargoyle episodes LEGION, KINGDOM, FUTURE TENSE, and TURF.

(If you are looking for more information, they have a web site with tons of spoilers on the new series at bobskir.com)


DAVID G - You wrote: [There is a pretty good Marvel parallel for Rory, this guy named Thunder Strike.]

I wouldn't exactly describe Thuderstrike as a good parallel for Rory. Rory is the actual reincarnation of Cu Cullian. From what his father says, it's possible that Rory might even be the direct descendent of the Cu Cullian. Thunderstrike on the other hand was just an architect named Eric Masterson who Thor met while working under the alias Sigurd Jarelson. There was no connection between the two except for friendship. Eric just happened to get dragged into the whole Thuder God thing.

You wrote: [The writing on the book deteriorated rapidly, and it died a quick death, but for a couple of issues it was pretty good.]

Actually the book was pretty good in my opinion to the bitter end. They stuck with the main idea that circled around the character - that he was an everyman Avenger, a person who just happened to be dragged into the whole hero thing by chance.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, August 16, 1999 09:54:31 PM
IP: 140.new-york-36-37rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Quick CR/chat abbreviation guide for new people:

BTW = by the way
IMHO = in my humble opinion
IMO = in my opinion
IRL = in real life
AFK = away from keyboard
BRB = be right back
j/k = joking / kidding

Hope that clears up some confusion for folks. :)
Patrick Toman
Monday, August 16, 1999 09:45:59 PM
IP: abd0a5af.ipt.aol.com

BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID We are about to get another phone line ..So I'll be online more often... Mwa Ha Ha ha.

Ok

I finished reading Season1 of TGS nd I loved that series cant wait to tackle season two

Goliath stiff? No he does chuckle and smile now andd then but, like the other said he carries a wait of responsibility. He also was betrayed saw the remains of his clansmen and he lost his first love. althoughe he learned to love again. Stiff is what I'd call Owen and whe Vinnie shot that cream pie at Goliath and Goliath just stood there with pie cream on his face and the bewilderd look on hudson was just priceless.

Anyone else have a good stupid customer or stupid coworker tael? i love those.

Have these people ben Joyrided yet? Brittney Spears and the Real World people?

Starts to giggle and falls on the floor.
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Monday, August 16, 1999 09:19:29 PM
IP: ts005d46.orl-fl.concentric.net

Jenna> Just read your ep... BEAUTIFUL! I really admire you :)
SOROW
Monday, August 16, 1999 08:55:21 PM
IP: usr12-dialup87.mix1.irving.cw.net

hi all!

I have a coupla questions for everybody
what is BTW?? I never understood that

Green Baron< I'm confused, whats lira? because they don't need 700 dollars, and I can't think of what else you are talking about*g*

the god's< Thor is the thinder god in greek mythology right?
he walks around with a big hammer making thunder?

Beast machines< I hadn't heard anything about a new show? I loved Beast Wars and if Machines is anything like the Beast Wars, I think I'll like it. I liked Reboot a little better though.

the Columbine fault thing< Personally, I agree with both Jenna and Ironwolf, because I don't think you can place blame on just on sect of ppl's, like the school's or the parents. I think ultimately(sp?) it was the kids fault because they made the decision to pull the trigger and kill ppl. Sure they were influenced by getting beaten up and by getting ignored by parents and all, but they made the decision.

Lexy< I should of shouldn't I? it sure works well!I never thought that ppl would be so considerate!!

Everybody< I commend you all for sending money and chipping in like that!!

bye bye!!
cherry blossom - [Chryblsm15@Aol.com]
WI, US of A
Monday, August 16, 1999 08:46:43 PM
IP: 98ccb98d.ipt.aol.com

Goodevening everyone, gosh so much to catch up on, I really hate when I can't get in here to aleast read the comments everyday, But Sunday is the day Hubby gets free reign on the computer(golf eck, eck, eck).

Zath>>coooool pics

Robby>>ISM as part of your school course: very cool and lit will make the school year go so much better. (I did a stint during jr/sr years in highschool in a horticulture program where we actually got a job working in a related business during our sr year. Was a great thing for me, I know yours will be great for you.

Green Baron>>Goliath as stiff etc....>> naughty, naughty....Ohh, you didn't mean it that way, let me pull my head out of the gutter.

Lexy>> when do you want the funds? email is below, let me have an address to send it to, I'll send a money order, so who do you want it made out to?

David G.>> glad to hear the writing is going better
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Monday, August 16, 1999 08:46:05 PM
IP: 207.14.195.156

Jaden> If there was a school consisted of only gargoyles, Brooklyn would win most handsome of the class ;) IMO

Green Baron> Bring it on, baby ;P

Greg> We'll make sure to buy a nice cake for your birthday!

Lexy> I just made the Post Office deadline. It's on its way to you now!

Welcome to Lil, Ravenhurst, and any other newbies in the room!
SOROW
Monday, August 16, 1999 08:45:42 PM
IP: usr12-dialup87.mix1.irving.cw.net

Ha!! He He He. . . .
Told ya I'ld prove ya all wrong. ^_^
Still, there have been some very logical points on why Goliath is glum, not stiff. He's been through a lot and carries a lot of responsibility on his shoulders. It's not easy to laugh and joke a lot when you're in his position.
Still, I think that for TGS at least (considering Gargolyes is no longer airing new eps on television) could move into that a little more. Goliath smiling and laughing that is.
If things were to settle down, he would probably be smiling a lot more. Even laughing... and I can imagine when he marries to Elisa that he'll be doing that a lot. And personally, I've never seen him as a stiff. HE has a serious look, yes, but there's also a continual gleam of hope and optomism, something many 'stiffs' like Owen, never have. And despite all of his pain and frustrations, he still manages to hold on to joy. With new friends, a strong clan and now a daughter, he has a bigger reason to stay optomistic - not just for the survival of his species.
Also, there is Elisa. He has been struggling with a broken heart, and now he has a new chance at love. Yes, he understands the complications and may even wish for things to be better, but he loves Elisa for who she is and so manages to hang on. That's what builds his character so well. HE grows and learns, and continues to treat people with respect and love no matter what happens. He holds onto the different truths in the world and lives most righteously with the truths that bring peace and prosperity.
So, he is not at all a stiff. And, I'm glad that Jenna, Angie and the Traveler agree - of course others do too, but we all like different characters for different reasons. We see them each in a different fashion than anyone else, and can sometimes agree on things.
I totally love Goliath, Elisa and Angela. But. . it's not an obsession. ^_^
He, I just got tired of Goliath being called a 'stiff.' He's got a serious stance, yes. But he is not stiff.
Anyway, on a side note, in one of my fics Goliath reflects on an event that has him chuckling. I hope to have that posted soon, cause it's really funny!!
It's Goliath, a training session, and eggs. Tons of eggs! Imagine that! ^_^
Well, I gotta run. Had more to comment on, but I forgot what it was. Oh well. . .
Talkt to y'all later!! :-)
Shauntell - [sgargoyle9@aol.com]
Monday, August 16, 1999 08:13:33 PM
IP: spider-wm034.proxy.aol.com

I didn't want to enter this, but...

Robby> Oh, dear... It would have perhaps been better if you just asked everyone to stop talking on the subject. I don't think you could accurately judge whether Paul's apology is sincere or not: that as well as whether the apology would be accepted is for Christine to decide. The problem is that he doesn't believe he did anything wrong, he sees his sayings as an attack on the works of Christine, not on Christine herself; and doesn't understand that sometimes there's too small a difference. And I also think that your point about Xenogears shouldn't have been in this post if at all: People talk off-topic subjects here all the time and Paul has the right to talk about Xenogears. Whether he's obsessed about it or not, is his own affair to judge.

Paul> <sigh> you haven't understood the whole damn point of the anger directed towards you. It's not the opinions themselves, atleast not mainly that. It's that they were posted in a GODDAMN PUBLIC FORUM.

Send an E-mail. Send an E-mail. SEND AN E-MAIL!
It's just as easy and infinitely better, *especially* when you are posting criticism.

To insult someone in public is ten times the insult than to insult him in private. Apologies work the other way. It's better to do it both in email and in public.

I hope I haven't offended Paul, Christine or Robby with the above. My first and final post on this flame-war.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Monday, August 16, 1999 07:42:36 PM
IP: athe530-g062.otenet.gr

hey Nice to meet u DarkAngel(^_^)

Personnaly I like Goliath because he's stiff....
He have an authoritative look, which is great for his powerfull leader image.
I wouldnt be impressed by a Goliath with a big smile that goes an ear to the other.
It would look like a caricature or so.....
Lil
Montréal, Québec
Monday, August 16, 1999 07:22:46 PM
IP: dialup-1037.hip.cam.org

Green Baron> Cool. The O'Hearns (my mother's family) have one. My brother is trying to find a way to get a bolt of it from some company in Scotland before the tax laws change and the price becomes prohibitive.

Norse Gods discussion> This has been interesting. I'd like to point out that Odin giving Thor lessions in humility may really be represented in the literature. Norse myth isn't my field, but I seem to recall something along those lines. I've read other allusions to it (notibly in "Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul")

There is a pretty good Marvel parallel for Rory, this guy named Thunder Strike. During one of Thor's deaths, he picked up the hammer and played substitute. When Thor was resurected (again), Odin had the Dwarves make him a mace with similar powers. I can't remember his name, but he was an archetect, a pretty normal guy, who was sucked into this world of ancient gods and superbeings without much choice in the matter.

The writing on the book deteriorated rapidly, and it died a quick death, but for a couple of issues it was pretty good.

Here's an interesting tidbit I picked up at work. The Rosicrucians have a web page. So do the Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria. I didn't get addresses, but I found both pages by doing searches on Alta Vista, so they shouldn't be hard to find.

If you read them, then get visits from men in black coats and sunglasses, don't blame me...

Oh well, see ya'll later. I've got stuff to do.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, August 16, 1999 07:15:20 PM
IP: pppa23-fortworthb17-4r662.saturn.bbn.com

Now, on to more pleasant subject matter...

VERY COOL NEWS!- As some of you may know, and the rest of you don't, this year in school I'm taking a class called ISM, Independant Student Mentorship... In it, I get teamed up with a mentor from my field... And my ISM teacher has already set it up so that Wensday I meet Ben Dunn, one of the local comic gods who works at Antarctic Press! I'm psyched! He's a great, published artist who's not only going to take a serious look at my work and ability and offer advice, get me closer to publishing and be guaranteed to know me, but I'll get to see the iner workings of Antarctic Press and if all goes well, I'll be hanging with Ben Dunn once or twice a week for the next nine months! To quote Earthworm Jim, "Groovy!"

Fundraisers- Wow, gee... Uh.. Thanks... I'll contribute whatever I can when the time to use all of this comes to pass, but for now I have to save up for phone calls... Hee.

Jenniren- Lonny, my evil twin, posted for me in the CR a couple of times, and then took over during The Darkest Week, shortly afterwars he was killed by Connection Denied, then thought to be Dis Connect. Since he was dropped off a very high cliff into jagged rocks, twice, tossed into a blender, and then burned, not to mention genetically checked to ascertain if he was a clone or had made clones, its pretty safe to say... He's dead. As for who is on the Dark Star 2 right now... Thats another matter entirely.

Incidentally, depression is almost always a short term thing for me. The longest I've ever been depressed was four days.

New peoples- Welcome! Check your sanity in with me, I'm holding onto everyone's sanity until Deuce returns.

Shauntell- Okay, so Goliath SMILES a lot. But when was the last time he had a good old belly laugh? About the same time Owen last did... (I'd pay to see Goliath rolling on the floor reading a copy of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...)

CrzyDemona- Pistoff said he said "yes" just to play it safe... not that he was only kidding...

Beast Machines- I don't know if I'm looking forward to this or not... All the characters are gonna be wierd... But still, this time around, I start taping from episode one, instead of struggling to retape eps in order like I'm doing for Beast Wars now.. VCR set for... September 18... Other VCR set for September 15th for Dragonball...

Tim P- They have mail boxes in front of post offices for the same reason they have drive throughs at fast food places. People are too lazy to get out and walk ten feet, even though they're there!

Jaden- 40 bucks to the cause? Woah... I barely even know you man!

Wilek- I'll take that request! I'm a wee bit busy doing a few TGS illustrations right now, but the deadline is in a couple days so I'll be homefree after that...Though if all goes well with ISM, I may get busy in a hurry... As it is I still have to do a sketch of that Owen Pokemon...

Digimon- One word: RIPOFF! Nuff said.

Gargs and Thor- They'd deal with him the same way as every fay... They'd get their buts kicked by magic and still win somehow.

Marina- Room policy is don't post full fledged stories. Guess I forgot to put that in the rules...

Christine- Not at all against the rules to continue this cosidering these particular circumstances... But now one way or the other, its not going to go on any longer.

Aaron- Its to stop tantalizing that I've started doing some overhaul editing on my fics... With any luck, I'll have the entire series up and available within a month. But I'm editing and somewhat rewriting 20 or so stories,plus TGS stuff, so time is what is needed. But I'm newly motivated...

Anyhow, I'll RP later and reveal just who it is on the Dark Star 2 that killed Connection Denied... Until then, laters!
Robby
Monday, August 16, 1999 07:05:48 PM
IP: spider-wj044.proxy.aol.com

AIRWALKER - Good comments on the Norse gods. Odin actually got some flak, I recall, from the Vikings because of his preparations for Ragnarok. He needed the best warriors slain in battle to join his einherjar and fight the Fenris-wolf and its allies in the final battle, and so had to ensure the untimely ends of a lot of heroes - something that Loki even confronted him over once.

One notion that I did have of what could happen if Thor met the gargoyles: Thor and Broadway have an eating-contest. (Thor was notorious for his vast appetite). I wonder who'd win that one.

CHRISTINE MORGAN - I'm staying out of the current debate, but one thing I thought I'd bring up about your Othello quote. Ironically, it was spoken by Iago, who was all the while plotting to steal Desdemona's good name to the point that her husband would strangle her. (In fact, all throughout "Othello", Iago was constantly making noble speeches that were the exact opposite of what he really believed - kind of like his fellow Shakespearean figures the Weird Sisters in "City of Stone").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, August 16, 1999 06:53:11 PM
IP: 205-242-191-112.dialup-stl.primary.net

Paul- Alright, I gave you the benefit of the doubt before and assumed you did not read the CR rules, and so only gave you one strike for flaming. However, in the time since, you have corrected me and said you DID read the rules, which means I can no longer leave that benefit of doubt there, and so while I held back a strike before, I can not do so now since you knowingly flamed. Thats two strikes, and I'm REALLY close to making it three considering your current, and repeated attitude. You're next post had better be a SINCERE or at least sincere sounding apology, and in the future you had better not intentionally do anything like this again. I am really close to banning, I only hold back because it is not something I ever have, or ever want to do. But your attitude is disruptive to this room, insulting, causes unease, and adds almost nothing constructive or productive to the conversation as of late. You refuse to listen to any advice given to you about how to act in here. Shape up, ship out, or be banned. Its up to you Paul.

And incidentally, while this has nothing to do with your potential banning, you are obsessed with Xenogears. You know it well enough to say verbatum dozens and dozens of quotes, which means either you've played the game far too much to have them memorized, or you have them written down somewhere, which is almost as bad. Also, if you want to prove you aren't obsessed with this game, STOP POSTING ABOUT IT TO A ROOM THAT DOESN'T CARE! We know you think its a good game, you've convinced us to play it by now or you haven't, further talking about it just indicates you have a problem.

Now, I have other things to comment on, but I am following my own rule and dedicating a full post to this warning, so that you have no excuse to miss it Paul. Thats right, you get this entire post and a good half hour of my time dedicated to you, not to mention the time of so many others, so you had better appreciate this FINAL warning.
Robby
Monday, August 16, 1999 06:25:26 PM
IP: spider-wj033.proxy.aol.com

Doug> That really sucks. I hope you find more work soon.
Green Baron
Monday, August 16, 1999 06:23:42 PM
IP: 141.164.241.79

Hello everyone. Guess who's back form Colorado. I will post what I did later. I had something prepared, but I accidentally clicked on something, so it was erased when I went back to this screen. That may be a problem that needs correcting.

Tim P.> You're right. We need to stopf eeding the PAN troll. Now, Reverend Attila has sent some goons out to New Jersey to find him.

Ironwolf, Jenna, Kaioto, and Pistoff> You all have very good points about what has ahppened,a nd hopefully the students at Columbine will remember what led to these events and that the Golden Rule will help keep this form happening again.

Lexy> I'l put down 700 lira :)

Crzy and Pistoff> Attila can perform the wedding for a fee :)

Ravenhurst> Welcome and please be social :)

Marina> Welcome as well.

Christine and Jewel> E-mails will be coming soon.

Jenna> <<I supppose writing about incest,rape, dismemeberment and violence are okay- but to write about God is not to some people -- go fig.>>

They'll hate my fanfics, then.

Cherry Blossom> Welcome to our CR. You may have speoken to me earlier I think.

Warpmind> Attila will e-mail the stuff tonight. I had the computer off while I was away and he can't turn it on :)

Goliath as stiff> I think Elisa likes Goliath to be stiff :)

SOROW> **spanks her** You asked for it :) BTW< i'm gald you liked teh rpayer. I know it's a little late to say it, but I just kept forgetting :) It seems you're as naughty as I am :)

Jackal> Welcome Back, friend

Zath> Welcome back, and Wilek has a point about Reverend Attila and Kitty

David G.> I just checked my Guestbook and yes, the tartan is Forsyth plaid.

Now I'm off until later :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, August 16, 1999 06:15:08 PM
IP: 141.164.241.79

**RP HERE**

"Man," Shap shakes his head as Fleur finishes, "that's some story." "There's nothing to forgive, Fleur," Kit answers their friend's question. "You did what you had to. And if those bad aliens you just told us about show up, we'll do all we can to help you beat them. I hope they don't arrive any time soon." "Me neither," Doug agrees. "In the meantime, welcome back." He shakes hands with Fleur and then gets up. "I'm gonna go play a few of the games. See you guys in a minute." The other Ravens nod and also disperse, Stephanie and Tricia following Fleur towards the Quake 3 console while Kitainia goes to play Drakan (note- I don't have this game yet, but come this Wednesday, provided it's not delayed again, I will be playing it!!! :).

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi! Well, Doug and I are back. Our little vacations went okay, and so far everything is going fine. He's out shopping for our textbooks right now (school starts next week, argh!) while I post in here. Thanks to everyone who gave their condolences on his layoff, we're just as disappointed about it as you are (especially me). Welcome to all newcomers and welcome back to all who've returned. I have a lot to catch up on, so here's some replies:

Coyote: Great job on Team Bravo. I liked all the good plot and character development, the Graeme-Caligo scenes were my favorite bits. Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to seeing Team Charlie next week! :)

Lexy, Kaioto: Sounds like your time together went very well, thanks for telling us so much about it. Hope you are able to get more real soon (and somehow be happy during the time until then).

Gargoyles Dreams: I have them often. Most aren't of the type one can discuss in here (either too sexy or too violent), but a few have been interesting. One rather scary dream involves me falling off the Eyrie Building at sunset. I scream and scream, but no gargoyle comes. Instead I have a Demona-style transformation and glide to safety once the pain has passed. So it's a little enthralling in the end. <wipes sweat from face>

Artemisia: Yep, you're right about Xanatos. I used to have the biggest crush on him too. :) That was until I met Doug. BTW, I'll say to you what Doug told another CR dweller who uses a villain's name as their handle. Hope you don't mind him and me kicking your butt in FF8 soon after we buy the game next month (though we know it's going to be very hard!). <grin>

Kaioto, Pistoff: Good bits on hatred, anger, and self-control. I agree with them and am glad that some things I've said in here have been able to contribute (like my post last year about the Cookie Jar Syndrome). If only the world had more people like us in control! <sigh>

Aaron: You and Jammer both. :) But they didn't because of its negative implications, and IMO that was a good idea. More people will want to see the movie now. Besides, the new title implies that the film will concentrate more on developing Antonio Banderas's character than on showcasing the bad guys (the "Eaters of the Dead"). To people like Doug and me, that makes it much more worth seeing. Of course, we won't have a full review till the movie comes out.

Speaking of movies... **SPOILERS FOR BROKEDOWN PALACE**

This was pretty good. It had a plot that was decent and interesting, if hard to follow at times. Nice character development, and great performances by Bill Pullman and Claire Danes. Kate Beckinsdale can't act that well, but the film's script made up for that (kudos to the writer and director). All in all, okay movie. 7/10, thumbs up.

**SPOILERS END**

Wilek: Cool idea for a council of dragons, sorry I don't know much about them. The baby dragon you're thinking of was named Li.

Paul: No, we haven't finished Lunar 2 yet. We beat Ghaelon and easily finished off Zophar, but Omni-Zophar has been giving us major problems. And since our trip got in the way, we haven't had much time to play recently. Hope we get some soon. And no, we haven't forgotten the epilogue. BTW, I disagree with you about Fei and Elly's Xenogears relationship. If it wasn't important to the plot, why the heck was so much of the game's story spent on developing it? A lot of the plot revolved around it too. That's just my opinion. At the risk of further igniting the flame war with floods of negative fuel (most of what I could say has already been said anyway), I am not going to comment any on the terrible things you should not have said to Christine in here.

Fleur: Welcome back, sorry to hear about your continued car trouble. $ Kudos on the creativity of your RP story, hope you plan something interesting with those threads. $

Jackal: Welcome back, glad you're doing alright. Hope you are able to post more frequently real soon.

Young Lovers Fund: Good job on it so far, Lexy and everyone. Too bad Doug and I can't contribute. Limited finances. Oh well.

SJ: Welcome back to you too. $ Hope Wilek covered everything you needed to know in the e-mail he sent you. If not, don't hesitate to drop Doug and me a line asking what else you want to know. FYI, we are hoping to start the Phalanx invasion scenario very soon now. Hope you can agree with this. $ Thanks for the info on Fox's Fall lineup.

CrzyDemona: <grins> I agree with you about the Young Demona pic.

Mandi: Congrats on finishing your report.

That's all for now. Hope to be back in here later. Doug will be back too, he'll probably post tomorrow. Bye for now!

**RPING AGAIN**

Kitainia has by now made it to the War Giant boss and is having a huge amount of trouble dodging the stuff he's throwing while hitting him with arrows and sword. "Why can't I have my dragon pal do a bombing run on this guy?!!" she screams in anger as the giant picks her character up and throws it across the screen, inflicting heavy damage. Watching her from across the arcade, Gubio shakes his head and chuckles. Suddenly his computer beeps loudly. "You've got mail." The Ravens' hacker smiles, wondering if his net-girlfriend Erin has finally managed to get herself back online. Unfortunately this is not the case, instead he has seven apparent junk mail messages. He quickly skims and deletes six of them, but stops at the last, recognizing the sender's address. "Coraxoned@chainmail.edu," Gubio growls. "Sounds like Tyl's little buddy is sending me a virus." He grimaces as he scans the message and finds no such thing. Mist meows from beside him and Gubio nods. "You're right, I better read this." He does so and frowns. "Mist, we better call everyone over. This message is a little amazing, but if it's true, it could be our big break." The cat purrs her agreement and rushes off to gather the other good guys. Gubio prints up a copy of the message and ponders over it while he waits for the others to come to his side.

**END THIS BIT OF THE RP**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, August 16, 1999 06:02:57 PM
IP: pool-207-205-150-212.dlls.grid.net

*L* the last one was me--so this is my last one--:P Oracle- liked what you said.
jenna
Monday, August 16, 1999 05:56:16 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

L
last one
Monday, August 16, 1999 05:54:42 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Travler- Thank you for your kind words- they are much appreciated :) And glad you liked the mind candy.

DarkAngel-- I did not mean to imply that people should be forced to have children. I myself, did not want to have any until I met Mike (that's my husband) 3 or 4 years so ago. My Aunt doesn't have kids, and I have no problem with that, nor do any of my or my husband's siblings. There should be no one forced to be a parent. Sometimes,People are forced into it- and regret it and resent there kids later, that is unfortunate at best.
My point is that, kids aren't like a watch you can just by-- they are people, not things. And you shouldn't just pass them on to someone else when there is trouble.

And parenthood is work--hard, hard, hard, hard work. Yet this work is deemed as being unworthy of any merit in society's eyes. Because there is no income, it is deemed as worthless not priceless. I agree with you-- if you want to be a parent, you should give it your heart and soul-would people have wanted there own parents to have given any less?

Today is the most I have ever commented in this room-- this will probally be all until tomorrow-- going to an anime viewing.
Jenna
Monday, August 16, 1999 05:39:49 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

*pops in form her ever lurking spot*

~*~*~*~ Debate time, but civil debate ~*~*~*~
State of mind of the the Columbine kids and raising Kids in general: First off, sometime parents don't really have a choice about whether their kids go to day care or not. Assuming you DO have a choice, then I'd rather raise the kids at home and not by someone else. Ppl are not born teachers and must learn as they grow parenting wise. I don't know all the little cute projects to teach my kids counting and letters, but there are ways to do it. Parents give up too easily and toss their children in situations where the the ppl they are -supposed- to be learning from (the parents) aren't there. But you can't trash ppl for doing that, just doing it for the wrong reasons. And don't judge so much unless you are a parent, period.
~*~Skip ahead a few years when the kids are in high school~*~
How many parents know their kids teacher's names or even favorite teachers? Know what they had for homework? Know their child's best friend's names? Alot of parents don't and no matter how well you raise your kids, sometimes kinds just don't -want- to communicate with their parents. But everyone has flaws when you're a parent and they come shining thru right when you want or need your kids to talk to you. I heard that all the ammo and guns were stashed at the one kid's house. OK, thats WAY f**cked up no matter what. I do blame the parents for not even -trying- to keep track of their kid's actions. The kids from Columbine had reasons to go and attack their classmates but it was THEIR choice, not their rent's. Ppl can be raised in foster homes for years and years and still have more common sense than these wackos. When it comes down to it, most all parents try to raise their kids the best they can and no matter what, what these kids did or anyone in general does, its their choice. Their choice to buy the guns, their choice to walk to school and plan to kill ppl. The only thing the parents did wrong that we know of was not look in the bedroom and see a dozen guns laying around the room. Thats one big, huge, gigantic mistake but if they did find the guns, the kids still would have been messed up in the head, and not from just having working parents.
~*~*~*~ End ~*~*~*~

Anyway, thats my rant. Must have PMS or something. eeshh..
Oracle
Monday, August 16, 1999 05:34:09 PM
IP: dyn1-tnt1-242.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net

Jenna-I just read "let there be gargoyles" . you are a genious. And I thought that no-one would ever create a story like this. thank you for that bit of mind candy.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Monday, August 16, 1999 05:22:01 PM
IP: proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net

Lil> Heh. Only another Quebecois could say something so utterly blasphemous as 'décrissé'. Welcome. I happen to like blasphemy myself. :)

Paul> I must admit I never played Xenogears. I only tried the demo that was included with my friend's Parasite Eve (<cough>crappy RPG<cough>) CD. I was not impressed, but then I hate mechas. Anyway, I've been getting tired of RPGs lately, they all seem so cliché-ed. Big Evil Empire, hero joins Revolution and learns that some weirdo is trying to destroy the world. Reminds you of anything? Just, like, every RPG since FF4 (at least).

Jenna> I agree and disagree at the same time. I think family is way overated and that's its the rampant "if you don't have kids, you're crap" attitude of our society that's to blame. People are told that they have a right (and a duty to booth!) to have kids. Well guess what? There's already much too many people in the world without having every couple in the world making more. However, if people *do* have kids, they better do the darnest to raise them right.

Kids are a possession these days. They're a mean to attain social status. Do you know that it's actually starting to be *cool* to be a teenage mother? I mean, come on!

And I won't even speak of the intense villification of non-reproductive sexual gratification (you know what I'm talking about) that is occuring in our society. It's all part of the 'have kids at all cost' mentality.
DarkAngel
Quebec, Canada
Monday, August 16, 1999 05:03:35 PM
IP: cs-22.acdi-cida.gc.ca

Hey Jenna. :)

No, Lexy, that's not me.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, August 16, 1999 04:53:30 PM
IP: ppp-75.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Ironwolf--hmm, you are of course entitled to your opinion- but I couldn't disagree with you more. What length of involvement did these parents have- they ovioulsly had no clue as to what there own child was doing== living in the same house doesn't mean you have the faintest idea about what's going on in your kids head. Maybe they should have thought about there careers less and there kid more-That was my point.But no one will say it because it's not PC or fashionable to do so. - well, spilt milk now, I suppose.
But don't claim these guys because felt like outcasts-- they are no part of fandom, that I know of, I think that would have been brought out if that were the case. Granted we all have been outcasts and felt like striking out- but to think and do are two different things.
Again-- don't claim these guys as brotheren because they felt like outcasts-- we all have--and remember Hitler felt the same way too--and he killed millions. When all things are said and done- there is no excuse. Read my last comments again- these guys had the "hold nothing sacred" attitude that I was talking about- the kind of attitude that will shoot someone in the back and not think twice about it.
jenna
Monday, August 16, 1999 04:41:39 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Lexy, I chose the name traveler before seeing that someone else had the name first[Or did I have it first?I still don't know] but so some people won't confuse the two of us they sometimes call me Indiana traveler since I am from indiana. I'd rather just be called traveler in the tallies, since the other guy didn't put any in. When do you want the money by anyway?
I think I come in here more than the other guy too.
traveler - [goliath01hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Monday, August 16, 1999 04:10:08 PM
IP: proxy-413.public.paix.webtv.net

Paul: Although I'm not sure what anonymous post you were referring to, but for the time being I'll retract my rebuttal.

I came across my high school counsilor at work today and I asked him a question about situations like this;

ME: What do I do if some friends of mine are all argueing becuase one of them said something mean about another?

MR. LUCAS: Uh, well, ideally you try to get everyone to calm down a little, and try to get them to talk to each other reasonably.

ME: What if that doesn't work?

MR. LUCAS: Well, in my experience, all those concerned should just shut up. Works pretty well when my family gets together. [laughs]

ME: Hell, I knew that.

All that and he gets paid too. Sheesh. And judging by the way it looks, I'm afraid I have to agree. :(

A most sucky situation we're in. Let's NOT try to make the most out of it. We're not getting anywhere by arguing. I request an immediate cease-fire. Give peace a chance, Dudes. If the fight *has* to continue, may I suggests that it be done on another site were you can settle your differences.

Hmm. A UN-like internet site to settle conflicts. I might be onto somthing here.

Goliaths sense of humor: I can see him as having a sort of subtle wit like Walter Mathew (sp? Odd Couple) although it probably has trouble adapting to the 20th century.
Tim P.
Monday, August 16, 1999 04:07:34 PM
IP: s18-onawa.pionet.net

188 dollars ?! **mouth hangs open** I...I....thank you very much. I just found how that Spring Break (When I might be going to San Antonio) is around April 21 thru the 25th. I think, I was half listening when we got our yearbook pictures made today.
**looks at Robby** Yes, I'll be mailing you it. so your mom can see what I look like.

Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Monday, August 16, 1999 03:53:28 PM
IP: abd7bb5e.ipt.aol.com

i made a post sunday morning or early afternoon pre wipe. Basicly wondering about the parental thing for the fund raiser. You know what the parents think (they are minors) i won't repost it since its in the last week session, also i said if all was kosher put me down for 20 and email me with an address
ironwolf - [cag16@bellsouth.net]
Monday, August 16, 1999 03:51:06 PM
IP: host-216-78-82-38.cha.bellsouth.net

IronWolf< Im sorry did i miss something?? *checks* well..the last post from you on sunday says something about passing out cuz you made top ten *L* I guess im missing the other post..what did it say??
Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Monday, August 16, 1999 03:43:13 PM
IP: d114.hnet.net

Drum roll please... important announcement. **From out of nowhere, a drum roll begins.** That report I've been agonizing over - the historical background part of it, that is - is FINALLY DONE! Whoo-hoo! Just have to do a quickie clean-up. Sorry, but I'm thrilled about this.

Paul> I said that merely admitting you didn't care for a popular author was brave - not criticizing in public. <<Either way didn't seem to work, but it was just my opinion.>> That's exactly the problem - you worded your comments as if they were facts! There was no "I think" or "in my opinion" in your commentary.

Whether or not fanfic is entirely good or bad, what can and cannot be considered a theme of Gargoyles, when characterization is "trashed"... all of these are entirely subjective! One can argue that there is a romantic theme in the series as well as the tragic. One can also argue in some cases that characterization isn't messed up because of the situation and context. One can argue that so-and-so is the greatest writer because of certain strengths, and that someone else is the greatest based on entirely different strengths! In this, Paul, you cannot state your opinions as if they were facts. The field is too broad and too vague, the topics far too subjective.

Yes, I will finally shut up on this issue. I just wanted to make sure my comments weren't misinterpreted. Christine, I understand why you're angry, believe me I do, but please vent at him via e-mail. Please.

ironwolf> <<what is avolon mist?>> Avalon Mists is the quarterly Gargoyles fanzine, run by Christine. Which reminds me, I have a character spotlight to send her... Click my name to check it out.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, August 16, 1999 03:42:21 PM
IP: ch164-10.apgea.army.mil

OH im sorry..tell me if im wrong

Aaron, are you Indian Travler or are you diff ppl? Just checking cuz I got the em after your post. If so just tell me and ill change this..

but..if not then..the total is..... *drum roll*

************** $198.00!!************

Isnt that great!!! Way to go ppl!!! :D!!
Lexy
Monday, August 16, 1999 03:38:27 PM
IP: d114.hnet.net

Jenna sorry I have to disagree with some of what you said

“:When the student shooting in Colorado happened, a lot of people were suprised that the shooters came from higher income homes. I was not. In suburbia neglecting your kids seems to be more the norm than not. Everyone blames guns, the internet, but noone dare name the real culprit—OURSELVES”

The Colorado incident was not a case of neglect from the family. One of the kids parents were involved in their child’s life. There is proof of this, but you are right society is at fault but here is the real reason why.
The kids that did the shooting; they were us. They were part of fandom. How long could any of us stand prolonged torture before we broke? Some can stand it longer than others and some break sooner. Those kids were tortured every day by the other children at that highschool. They were beat and humiliated until they broke. How do I know; one it is on record that the parents went to the school to stop these incidents multiple times. What happened? The school denied it was going on covered up the wrong behavior and then the jocks beat them some more for letting the parents know what happened. Two I went to public highschool and if you are different form the norm, i.e. part of fandom, then you are ridiculed and beaten for the amusement of the masses. Those kids knew they were going to die and they just committed suicide in a way were they could try and win too. Those kids life became to painful to continue. Yet they did not want their tormentors to win so they decided to take the kids who tortured them with them

Jackal I don’t know why in some of my post I put jackyl sorry my biological hard drive must have some bad sectors. Don’t worry I know how to cure it TEQUILA.

Lastly Guys and gals do we have to have a flame war? Paul yes you were rude in stating your opinion about Christine’s work. Christine he has stated it was not meant as a personal attack. As a matter of fact the only really negative comment was the fact that he feels that you trash the characters. That was a rude comment paul if you wanted to state your opinion well here is an example. Now here is a funny fact I don’t have a favorite writer but a favorite staff; TGS. This series stays closes to the personalities of the characters. I have read both of Christine’s and Jewel’s work, and while both are good I like the TGS series better why my taste my opinion even; that why. It is my opinion that TGS is as close to what might have happened if Greg had stayed on. There I stated what I like with out any negative criticism, and that is what you should have done to keep hurt feelings at bay. Christine Paul was stating his opinion yes it might have been in a slightly rude way, but he was only trying to point out why he liked jewel’s (the fandom Arthur so we don’t get confused :o) ) work over yours. I believe he realize that could have worded it better but well dragging this out I don’t see the benefit. Well lets see what I get over this post
Ps lexy did you see my post Sunday?
pss what is avolon mist?
ironwolf
Monday, August 16, 1999 03:35:24 PM
IP: host-216-78-82-38.cha.bellsouth.net

Aaron< GEE thanks! *hugs*

*adds that on*

ALRIGHT ppl's we are now at 193.00!!! *hugs everyone* thats great!
Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Monday, August 16, 1999 03:31:42 PM
IP: d114.hnet.net

Aaron-- hey there! ;P
Jenna
Monday, August 16, 1999 02:41:10 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

As usual, hitting the submit button is a great memory-jogger. Has anyone who left things they bought at the auction at G99 gotten them yet? If not, who can contact about them? Thanx.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, August 16, 1999 02:38:00 PM
IP: ppp-142.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Aaron pokes his head cautiously into the CR.

Hmmmm, looks like P.A.N. has p!ssed off everybody *again*.

Aaron grabs DC, and tosses him into a solitary confinement cell where he will be forced to watch a televised golf tournanmet. That's for the weekend and morning I've had.

P.A.N.> I'm not gonna comment, since everything's already been said, with more viscious elequonce then I could. I will say this though. <<I am not obsessed with Xenogears.>> Riiiiiiiight. And *I'm* not obsessed with Demona, either.

Lexy> Geez, I feel like I'm watching PBS. ;) But seriously, even this die-hard unromantic'll kick in five bucks.

Coyote><<Gargoyles and Cadillacs>> I feel a Creativity Demon coming on.

JackaL> Yessssssss! You're alive! Alive! Ahahahahahahaha!

Patrick><<She asks everyone to marry her.>> She does? She didn't ask me. :(

Robby> Quit tantalizing us with bits and pieces and post those fics!

"As above, as below." Just never say that around Eddie, unless you want the mother of all @$$-kickings.

Yesterday, I bought a Hawkwind CD.

Wish Deuce would post. ;)

Later.

=Death before dishonor! Drugs before lunch!=


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, August 16, 1999 02:34:02 PM
IP: ppp-142.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Alright you two, time for counsiling. Paul , that apoligy didn't seem sincire. I think that your apoligy needs to be as long as your cristine bashing post. It seemed to me that you took a lot of time and effort into that post[it took me about 10 minutes to read it it was so long], and you must feel very strongly about those opinions because your post wouldn't have been that long if you hadn't been serious. your apoligy was not nearly as long so one would think that you are not as serious about being sorry[catching on] . And Cristine , I respect you as a writer and understand your decision not to forgive paul, but you can't be angry forever. Let's hope for pauls sake that he tries again to apoligize , and this time it better be as long as the post that started all of this. Let's end this and focus on something else shall we.
One more thing paul, 'tis not healthy for one to quote Xenogears in all of ones posts. It gets annoying.
traveler - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Monday, August 16, 1999 02:25:51 PM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

I got two words to sum up the whole on-going contraversy:

Site ban.

Somebody needs a time out.
Spike
Monday, August 16, 1999 01:50:37 PM
IP: bart.airmail.net

Sorow< Thanks:)
Cherry< :P ya ya why didnt YOU think of it first?
*grins* ya I should have stampped out at the very least..but hey ..*grins* gotta keep that ladie like air about me ya know. *wonders if she spelled ladie..like laddy..hmm oh well *shrugs*

OK PPL here is the latest! If i got anything wrong here..math or emails crossed do tell!

Coyote- 50.00
Jaden- 40.00
Kaioto- 26.00
Lexy- 10.00
Skippy- 10.00 (sorry for the screw up before;0)
Mandi- 10.00
Xanather- 10.00 (unsure of US doller amount)
Heather- 8.00
Lawrence S.- 6.00
Sorow- 5.00
Thereasa- 5.00
Delphi- 5.00
Cherry- 2.00
SomeoneS- 1.00
Jenniren- (not sure yet)
------------------------------------
188.00

YEA!! *hugs ppl's* GREAT JOB!! Again if I made any mistakes im rushed at the moment in this post so just tell me!


Lexy - [lex@hnet.net]
Monday, August 16, 1999 01:34:36 PM
IP: d098.hnet.net

Paul > ::I'm sorry for inadvertently insulting you:: Inadvertently? No. No way that was accidental and unintentional. You ranted about me "trashing" the characters for a page and a half and think that was an _inadvertent_ insult? I think not. Backpedaling now won't help you, sirrah. Nor will apologizing anyway. It's neither wanted nor accepted. You can criticize me all you want, but don't expect that an unwarranted bashing will be idly ignored.

"Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing; 'twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands; but he that filches from me my good name robs me of that which not enriches him and makes me poor indeed." -- Othello, Act III Scene III.

Okay, admittedly, mine may not be the best of good names. The stories that I write are of offense to some. That's their business. I am not a literary writer. I am not a _great_ writer. I don't want to be. Never set out to be the next Hemingway. There are no Pulitzers in my future, nor do I desire such. But I am a _good_ writer, and what's more, as the poll to which Mr. Nathans took such exception showed, I am apparently a _popular_ writer as well. That gets up some peoples' noses, evidently.

To Robby and all > I know it may well be against the rules to continue this, but I fear I'm not ready yet to let it drop. I came in late, and if I don't defend myself here, I may have to stoop to breaking my motto about not writing anyone into a fic for the purposes of revenge ...

On a happier note > the deadline for Avalon Mists is creeping ever closer! A week from Wednesday! Please send those fics, pics, filks, character spotlights, poems, cartoons, surveys, and more!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, August 16, 1999 01:24:37 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Paul - seems Christine was just in not accepting your apology... since it apparently wasn't very sincere. Heh, why say sorry if you don't really mean it, huh? Something to think about.
CrzyDemona
Monday, August 16, 1999 01:22:36 PM
IP: 209.150.94.74

Welcome Ravenhurst! To answer your question, TGS is currently on haitus. The series (s) take many months of preparation, writing, illustrating and editting, kind of like those done for television. "Seeds of Change" Was the last episode produced for Gargoyles and Pendragon, Crossroads 2 was the last for Timedancer. Since Dark Ages was put on hiatus for all of last year it will be the first to be revived this fall. The staff will make an announcement when it's able to predict a return date.

So keep watching both the main site and the comment room for updates.
kathy
Monday, August 16, 1999 01:16:52 PM
IP: client24095.atl.mediaone.net

Hello a tous!
I just decide that i want to be sociable once in my life so i decide to join yur beautiful comment room!!
escuse-me if my english is un peu "décrissé" but don't worry I'll practice....

I'll shut up now.
bubye.

Lil
Monday, August 16, 1999 01:07:57 PM
IP: dialup-902.hip.cam.org

test
Lil
Montréal
Monday, August 16, 1999 01:00:20 PM
IP: dialup-902.hip.cam.org

Tim-I wasn't referring to you. I didn't even notice your Post until after I Sent mine out. It took a while to type it, I was typing it at the same time you Posted obviously. I was referring to someone else who didn't give their name, not you.

Oberon's Fighting Skill-I keep forgetting to mention this, I'm putting it down now before I forget again. Recent events didn't jog my memory, I keep on forgetting to nearly every Post since this showed up. Well, since the little '5 Match', at least. I might've mentioned it before, maybe I didn't. Here's what I have to say on Oberon's fighting skills, though.
Power level doesn't mean anything against strategy, remember APOKALYPSIS, PART V: REVELATIONS? Oberon had much more power than Davida/Belinda yet she trashed him by masking her sai from sight. When Oberon grabbed her, I knew he'd probably be stabbed.

Forget Name, I Know it Isn't Lexy, Its Someone Else-Just when did I insult Kaioto, eh? I didn't, period. Nor did I bash, or criticize, anything he said, and/or did. My parents, though, have not yet had to say to me ,"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all.". So I don't remember them telling me that.

Jewel Faulkner-I meant to put upset in the apology, not insult. Just replace the words and you'll understand.

Christine Morgan-So you won't accept an apology, but you apparently feel insulted. Fine. I'm sorry for inadvertently insulting you. Oh, and I realized yesterday after Posting, I'd forgotten one part. I decided to put it today. I know I don't have to read the stories, I stopped reading them. I stated that.
Back to the main point.
I didn't know you were gone, either. Don't threaten me, that'll change nothing. All I did was make a point, I understand how I could've mentioned I held no grudges, and why I did make the comment on the Poll without possible insults, I guess. I think Mandi mentioned that, but if I used that way I might sound uninformed. I needed to give basis. Either way didn't seem to work, but it was just my opinion. I don't mean to insult anyone, the original statement was just that I'd thought Jewel Faulkner should've been higher up. It was a Poll Observation.
Thank you for the compliment to whoever said I was brave for criticizing Christine Morgan's Stories, I forget who it was. I don't think it was bravery or anything worth complimenting, but I mayaswell be polite.
Thanks for all the support to those who aided me, and thanks for the suggestions on how to deal with these situations to those who gave them.
Hopefully that closes that topic.

XENOGEARS: Graphics do not make a Game. XENOGEARS would not have worked on a Super Nintendo Entertainment System, either. The world is fully three-dimensional, with a ton of aspects that a Super Nintendo Entertainment System couldn't deal with very well. XENOGEARS does have the better Plot, the Demo just never gets into it. Role-Playing Games should be judged by Story and Characterization. If Gameplay was mentioned, and I'm not sure it was, XENOGEARS did have excellent Gameplay, but that made no difference.
My view on Role-Playing Games. Graphics, Gameplay, and Music need to reflect the Storyline, and Characters.

GARGOYLES and Love Aspects-I never said GARGOYLES was devoid of love. Caring about people is essential to living well. There was love and caring in GARGOYLES, I just don't feel it is more of a romantic style than actual genuine caring. There's really no difference, 'romantic love' is simply one aspect of caring, but the love in GARGOYLES is much broader than romance.

Jenna-Not true! There are people who know its not the weapons, and its the people. I've known that from the beginning when I hear about these tragedies... The school shootings, and all that. Its not the weapon, its the person. That's obvious. I also admit that its the people at fault in various actions, I don't attempt to blame other aspects. Please don't generalize, and don't feel like you're the only one who can understand. Not everyone's blind to the truths about how its the fault of the people for hurting each other. You're not the only one who knows this, I'm not the only other one.

Okay, asterisks, and percentages, as well as ats, and ands, and perhaps numericals, have been used. So I'm going to be trying something that should be original.

|||||Review For APOKALYPSIS, PART VI: LIGHTNING CRASHES|||||

Normal life.
Finally, finally, it seems Christine, and Belinda have a normal life. Their kids seem to as well. Gabriel Adams and Michaela Maza are normal, and innocent. They seem to enjoy life, Gabriel's got a really cool personality. Then there's Kameto Togakushi, who's also an innocent, and enjoys life.
Queen Titania finally figured out that they'd been provoking Christine and Davida/Belinda and their family, and ended the attacks. Now life truly seems to go on.
Except for the Fates, who probably are still trying to manipulate the fey, and Christine, and Belinda, and their family. The Wierd Sisters, though...
Christine finally managed to mature and live in MISERERE MEI DEUS. She pulled through losing her husband and baby son with help from the people who cared about her. O course, she lost them thanks to a mistake on Titania's part, and the fear of some false prophecy, which is quite obviously a fake tapestry designed to scare the fey into bringing about their own end, and take down any possible efficient magic-users who aren't fey, in the process. Then the Fates can step in and manipulate the people however they darn well please.
I think that's why they're manipulating people, the prophecy was obviously a contingency in the case of Hecate failing to take over Avalon. As for the motives of the Fates, well, I'll obviously find out. I knew they were pulling the strings since APOKALYPSIS, PART II. The whole 'Prophecy of the Seven Angels', I mean, obviously.
Christine pulled through losing her husband and baby son, she'd lost again, yet came out able to continue life. She's finally matured, she finally made it to fully living in MISERERE MEI DEUS, and then life won't leave her alone.
Or her family.
That's typical.
Hope is obviously not one of the Seven. I knew that once the Fates messed with her mind in PART III. I knew there had to be someone else, and sure enough, there was. As for the one who wants revenge, Demona, maybe? I didn't figure that out in PART III, but I can't always decipher riddles.
Thoth is still not trying his hardest to get through to the fey. He did so much for Christine, he helped her so much, and didn't give up with aiding her. Yet he won't do much now. PART V was an example, now in PART VI. If he'd just tell Titania the Wierd Sisters attacked Gabriel... Well, he might be going to, but he's not moving fast enough.
No one's perfect.
Thoth's not trying hard enough for whatever reason. There are plenty of other options he has, too. He could've told Goliath and Brooklyn what's going on... I'm surprised that Alexander Xanatos hasn't reported this. Goliath and/or Brooklyn could deal with the fey peaceably. No one's perfect, again, but a lot of mistakes are being made.
Of course, you can't always get out of every situation. You can make these mistakes, I'm sure by now the Manhattan Clan does know what's going on. I hope to see them get involved really soon, they should be able to shut this up really quickly. But Brooklyn's the Timedancer, and we all know once you go to the future the past becomes set, and can't be changed without destroying the universe.
If Belinda perishes, though, which was hinted at being a possibility, in PART V, and Christine could get hold of the Phoenix Gate, I doubt she'd really care. She might even deliberately try to destroy the universe just to end all of the suffering everyone seems to be going through. Innocence shattered, lives destroyed, an inescapable curse of existence.
It could seem like that to her, I'd bet, at many points.
Brooklyn might be halting any interference because if he does something not having happened, then the universe shatters. In real GARGOYLES Canon, I don't know if it'd be that drastic if someone did change history, but Ryan Stout clearly explained this. Maybe that's why the Manhattan Clan is keeping out of this. Of course, Christine might also act differently if she finds out what Brooklyn knows.
That'd destroy the universe, too, but she might view it as a lose/lose situation, with nonexistence better than endless suffering. Depnding, of course, on if she gets depressed again, but I can see her destroying the universe.
Gabriel, ugh, he just took a life. He's a really nice person, who has a great sense of humor. He and Michaela and Kameko, as I believe I've already said, do seem to enjoy life. Now Kameko has the burden of a so-called destiny, Gabriel just lost his innocence. Michaela... I'm not giving up hope she'll be spared this somehow.
The mistakes people make, the repercussions...

Quote from FINAL FANTASY TACTICS.

"The tiniest ripple may someday evolve into the largest wave."-Wiegraf Folles
FINAL FANTASY TACTICS

There's so much pain.
Two people, or three people, may lose their normal lives, Gabriel Adams, probably, Kameko Togakushi, possibly, Michaela Maza, I hope not.
At least they're happy.
They can even enjoy life on a scale that most people there age seem incapable of. If you don't go outside and play sports and prefer to read and talk about life you can be viewed as an idiot. That's rediculous. There's no such thing as 'acting one's age', either. People around 13 to 19 are expected, it seems, to think more about sports, and dating, and looks, than anything else. Or being 'one of the group', fitting in, and coolness.
Ha!
Not everyone who doesn't think like that is an idiot, we all know that. I don't give one heck about any of the six above, although the one I've gotten the most sharply criticized on, recently, is not paying attention to fashions, and looks. One of my friends has criticized that, although he doesn't care for outside activities, and fitting in, and sports, and stuff. He does care about what people look like.
He hasn't said I'm wrong for doing so.
It seems that he's right on how a lot of people do pay attention to what someone looks like, at least people my age. Well, maybe not, but in school I hear a lot of talk about dating, and from the school talk in this story I can see where plenty of people might act like those morons who were going nuts about Gabriel's singing and looks. The same with Michaela, no doubt.
A wretched, decadent society. Whatever happened to enjoying life, to genuine caring, instead of interpreting the word 'love' as 'physical attraction'. That's a lie!!
Caring about someone has nothing to do with physical attraction.
Why am I bringing these aspects up?
I'm sure you know. Because Gabriel and Kameto and most likely Michaela don't restrict themselves to these beliefs. They know about life, and enjoy it, in plenty of other ways. That much is apparent.
About the singing, its a mistake to not attempt to compete against Gabe, and Kaela. Some people could win, I know darn well that Luna from LUNAR: SILVER STAR STORY: COMPLETE would have Michaela replaced very easily. If she has potential, so do plenty others.
That's another thing that's so great about Jewel Faulkner's stories. Besides the beautiful characterization and the full emotional depth these two very things allow all of the characters to come alive to criticize and compliment their actions, and the actions of the people around them.
This Part of APOKALYPSIS shows normal life, and how people can enjoy life. Moreso than any other story. Excellent job Jewel Faulkner!! :)
|||||End Review for APOKALYPSIS, PART VI: LIGHTNING CRASHES|||||

Jewel Faulkner Again-Concerning splitting the Series, if you're looking for splitting the Series, I'd actually suggest ending APOKALYPSIS with APOKALYPSIS: PART V: REVELATIONS. Its a much better breaking point. Then have APOKALYPSIS: PART VI: LIGHTNING CRASHES as a one-shot, then have APOKALYPSIS: PART VII: GOTTERDAMMERUNG as a separate Series. That's if you're going to split the Series.
That's my suggestion.

"Besides, the fear is often worse than the danger itself. We should not let such fears hold us back!"-Doctor Citan Uzuki/Hyuga Ricdeau
XENOGEARS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Monday, August 16, 1999 12:54:04 PM
IP: 246.morristown-16-17rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Hi hi all,

Seeing as how I've never commented on this site, I'll refrain from trying to be social. Just wondering if anyone has any idea if the Gargoyles fanfic over here is still running. I've read up to Seeds of Change, and haven't seen anything new in a while. I suppose it's possible everyone's gone on vacation...

Ravenhurst
Ravenhurst - [ravenhurst@hotmail.com]
Houston, TX, USA
Monday, August 16, 1999 12:51:09 PM
IP: cumulus.bhi-net.com

Marina> Cool intro... but please don't post the rest of the fanfic here. It only pads out the CR faster, and I think in general people discourage posting of entire fanfics. Teasers are okay, but whole fanfic chunks aren't. I'd like to see the rest when it's done, though.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, August 16, 1999 12:16:13 PM
IP: ch164-10.apgea.army.mil

Pistoff - so does this mean we AREN'T getting married? ::heartbroken:: All the time I have invested in you and this is how it ends?? You know... now I have to try to kill you... ::shrugs:: no hard feelings.. just a habit of mine. ;)

Wilek - I am sure that I am not the only one who sees the irony in you stepping up to defend Christine... see... I knew we could sway you to the Dark Side. ;)

Just for the record, I think my version of cute widdle Demona beats my skinny widdle Goliath pic any day. Doesn't she just look like she is a barrel of trouble waiting to happen? SO CUTE!
CrzyDemona
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:31:14 AM
IP: 209.150.94.77

Hello Everyone, This is the start to a fan fiction story I'm writing, You'l get more of it later. E-mail me, tell me what you think of it so far...


The Nature of Things(segment One)
by Mari Rose

As he shuffled along the frozen pond, Tim wondered what tricks life was up to now. This would be his final year in High School, and already his parent s were leaving subtle clues that he'd be sent to a business school as soon as the school year was over. Snowflakes landed on him, but he paid them no mind, they were nothing compared to the troubles he may be facing. Tim even doubted that his parents thought about him as thier child instead of just a convenient way to take care of thier business when they died. Never mind that he wanted to do something else for a living. No choices. No cares. No happiness. That was his life. Anyone who'd like to have thier life planned out ahead of time has no more wits than a stone.

"If only I had a single thing I could look at and say 'I did this... all by myself...on my own.' Then I'd be happy. But I don't get a single chance. How can anyone hope for me to learn if I don't make any choices?" He stepped over a tree root frozen into the river. " 'Do this Tim, don't worry if it seems hard Tim...we'll help you with it' How about helping me with something that counts. Like getting out of this rut." Tim got to the point where he had to climb up the slope of the river and grabbed at the frozen grasses to help himself up. He mistook thier strength and they broke as he pulled himself up, causing him to land firmly on his butt. Groaning he reached behind to rub at the tender spot, but stopped as he looked ahead. There was a cave of some kind that was hidden by the grasses that would be almost impossible to reach when the water wasnn't frozen. Green eyes wide, he entered bending slightly to get inside. but once he was in the cave, he was able to stand up fully, despite his height of almost six feet, and he realized he was actually on an undergroud stream.

"Wow. this thing is bigger than I thought." Tim started traveling further into the tunnel made by the stream, going further underground. There was a huge cave system with enough space on the side so he could walk on firm stone. His thughts were inturupted by a harsh beeping from his watch.

"Oh no! 5:00 already?" He quickly started running back outside. "I'm really going to get it now." Tim paused at the exit and turned to look back breifly. "I'll come back tomorrow, with a flashlight." Leaving the cave, he started for an isolated snowy estate.

**********

"Where IS that boy!" Screamed a lovely brunette woman. "How could you let him WALK home? He should have been here an hour ago!" At this she picked up a small down pillow and threw it at the butler stending in front of her. He swerved downwards in order to avoid the pillow and it hit the wall behind him in a puff of feathers.

The butler that had just ducked the thrown pillow stood up, brushing a feather off his suit."Boys will be boys Madame. You can't govern them all the time. I tried to get him to take the normal ride home, but he insisted on walking."

Not that I blame him. Terry thought silently watching the melay caused by her mother. My brother probably wanted some time alone. God knows he never has a chance here. Or at least he has no time where he's not being watched.

"That is no excuse! What if he get eaten by a bear or something? Then what will we do?

Terry groaned and put a hand in her reddish brown hair. "Mom, that's impossible, there are no bears in this area. Believe me, I know." She stood up and put a hand on her mothers shoulder. "I've spent so much time camping and hiking through this area that I'd have noticed if there were any such creatures." She walked to the sofa and started petting the Black and brown cat curled up there. "In fact I wouldn't be suprised if Cody here is the most ferocious animal in these woods." The large tomcat started purring loudly at her petting and rubbed against her hand. Amazing how a small bit of falsehood can calm someone. I'm a bit worried myself, but words like these tend to comfort both the speaker and the listener.

Looking slightly relieved her mother sat down on a chair. But she was still a bit worried. She jumped at the slamming of a door and swiftly stood up.Cody jumped off Terry's lap and ran towards the door. That has GOT to be Tim, Cody has always liked him best of us all in this family.

Second later Her suspicions were confirmed when she heard her brother's voice from the hallway. "Hey Cody, nice to see you too boy. Sorry to leave you alone with these people."
Terry smiled, Definitely Tim. Her mother ran to the hallway, and Terry heard the starting of an argument. 'Where were you, why'd you leave us waiting like that' 'I was enjoying the walking' Terry didn't like arguments, so she started heading upstairs.

Closing the door to her room, she plopped down on the reading chair after turning on some music just loud enough so she couldn't hear the argument. Even then she heard the sounds of yelling voices. She simply tried to focus on her book, one she had read several times before and practically knew by heart. She read untill darkness came and was only taken away from her book by a distant roar. Maybe Mom was right about bears. She thought before going back to her book.

No sooner did she start reading then she heard a slight knocking at the door. "Come in." she called, putting down her bookand facing the door. Tim came inside and closed the door.

"Hey baby sis, mind if I borrow one of your nature books?"

"No, go right and help yourself." Terry watched her brother look throuhgt her shelves for a bit before adding onto her words. "Guess walking through the woods got you more than a good meley with mom. Nice to see you getting into nature."

"Momsaid that if I ever went back into the woods I'd BETTER know something about them, and since you've got just about every nature book there is, she told me to come and borrow a few. At least she didn't ground me, so I can still go to my friends house after school."

Even if you got grounded, it wouldn't be much of a punishment, I think thats why she didn't."

"Yeah, theres too much to do here to make it a punishment. By the way, don't expect to see me at dinnertime tomorrow, I'm planning on going out with some friends. Thanks for the books Terry."

"Don't mention it." she said as he left the room with the books.Terry started reading her book again where she left off. Eyes roamed over the words, she forgot the world around her for the reality inside the book.

**********

Two figures climbed up a hillside heading for a tall tree at the top. At first glance they appeared to be hikers that were still out at night. But a closer look revealed them to be more. One was male, the other was female. And both weren't human.

The guy gargoyle was a dark brown in color with blond hair grown long and tied back into a ponytail. His wings were a dark red and had tiny hands at the top. His eyeridge simply stuck strait out from the sides of his head and curled to meet the tips of his ears. His tail had a spiky globe at theend of it instead of the normal ending. He wore a silvery colored earing on his left ear. He wore the customary leather loincloth along with a leather vest that was made out of a darker leather at the top than at the bottom.

The female was a pale green with dark brown hair that went down to her neck then flared outwards. Her wings were a green that matched the color of a young pine tree and had a hook on top to hold the wings together when in cloaked form. Her eyeridge had four horns coming from it, two shorter ones at the sides and longer ones towards the middle. All of them curled slightly in a spiral as they came up. She wore what seemed like a pale leather Indian dress and carried a small bagg on the red and white sash that went around her waist.

"I can't believe this." Grumbled the guy gargoyle, his black eyes flared white momentarily while he turned to look at his female companion. "We should've been back at the lair last night, but no Marina, YOU wanted to catch that stag." No matter that even if we caught it some scavengers would get at it during the day." Talons digging deep into the wood, he started climbing the tree with a vengence.

"I told you I was sorry Derk. What else can I do?" Her green eyes looked pleadingly up at him.

"If a human discovered us we could've been killed! In case you forgot, we are defenseless during the day. As soon as we get back I'm going straight to the elders to tell them of YOUR mistake." Having reached the top of the tree Derk jumped off and glided towards the shore.

"I bet the humans don't even know about us anymore." Marina sighed. "We've hidden for so long. Mark my words Derk, one of these days we will encounter the humans again, and we won't be able to just run." Then she started climbing the tree too and in a moment she glided off as well.

To be Continued...

Marina - [marirose@excel.net]
Sheboygan, WI
Monday, August 16, 1999 11:31:13 AM
IP: shb0328.excel.net