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Wilek: Gameboy Advanced: Yes, but I fail to see HOW it would have driven up the costs too much. I can buy a large panel that could light 20+ gamegoys for only $20, and it is good for years. Has anyone here who has a laptop EVER had thier light burn out?

SOROW: I am curious... what brand of scanner?

Zath: Ow... please tell me it wasn't hydro-floric acid.

Wilek: ODD purity tests! (I backtracked a little from your link.)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:19:16 PM
IP: 216.90.45.163

Ok Where have I been.
I have been here and there and back again wich is rare but often.
(((HUGS)))

Lets See um

Loved Frieza's transformations

chuckled at the joke of Ronin...that the villians are named after Egyption Gods.

Er what else...Oh yeah Happy Belated Annivarsary
and the Medevil test I ranked "Benevelant Ruler" hmmm
Spcebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, October 3, 1999 08:51:23 PM
IP: ts002d19.orl-fl.concentric.net

Shameless Plug- I have a new fanfic called "Law Enforcement" now up at GFW. If you want to, please go read it. Thanks.

More later.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 07:45:14 PM
IP: pool-209-138-215-112.dlls.grid.net

testing testing
Anonymous
Sunday, October 3, 1999 06:09:49 PM
IP: spider-wo034.proxy.aol.com

Sarge> You ain't the only one who's weird... ;-)

Jessie Feff> Hey, I thought that filk was pretty good. :-)

Adrienne> I found your page nicely demented and funny. So, you're a Darth Maul fan, eh? Well, I'm an Obi-Wan fan myself, so... no comment. ;-) (j/k)

Sunday Slowdown> Yep. Tis slow 'round here. And I'll finish off the Demon of Procrastination later (ironic, isn't it? :-).
Blue Caeru
Sunday, October 3, 1999 06:07:31 PM
IP: spider-wo034.proxy.aol.com

I'm saying Hi...because I'm weird

Sarge
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 04:57:51 PM
IP: spider-wn054.proxy.aol.com

Hei, y'awll!

SUNDAY SLOWDOWN- hmm. WEll, Sunday morning stuffs always seemed to suck, but...... Hercules! And RECESS! HURRAY! Is it just me, or is Recess one of tha best shows out there?
YAY!

Uhm... shameless plug, but..... it got last last post.... could y'awll click an' tell me what ye thinks of me stuffs? Thank you so much!

Uhm...... 28 days until X-FILES SEASON 7!

WEll, au revoirs!
Adrienne. :) - [<----CLICKIE! :D]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 03:45:52 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Robby > Oooh, fun! Here goes...just of the top of my head, so I'm sure someone will outdo me... ;)

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
took place while it was dark.
The cops brought in an old guy with
a boat in Central Park.
He took Goliath and Elisa
out to see his skiff
And said that they should come with him
to Avalon if
to Avalon if
They wanted to protect the eggs from
an Archmage who was pissed.
Tom spoke an incatation and
they floated into mist
they floated into mist.
The skiff ran aground on the shore of this
uncharted magic isle
With Goliath
Elisa, too
The Guardian, and the "Eggs"
Princess Katherine
The Magus
And Boudicca...
Here on Avalon's shores!
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 03:39:38 PM
IP: ctrts3-3.mrs.umn.edu

Just searching a couple of midi sites, and came accross something a bit appropriate to the Avalon World Tour...
I'm thinking a filk of this particular tune might be in order...

Robby the CR DJ
Sunday, October 3, 1999 01:45:40 PM
IP: spider-wm043.proxy.aol.com

Wilek> *chuckles* some of the symptoms of DHMO exposure sounds like what happens when we eat a bad batch of gulf shrimp ;) Heh, I wonder if the shrimp has been exposed to it too? *blinks* j/k! You're right - these fanatics are scary O.O
Jannie
Sunday, October 3, 1999 01:28:41 PM
IP: 196-222.c.esc4.net

Just a reminder, Animal Farm starring Partick Stewart as the voice of Napoleon come on tonight on TNT! I'm gonna be watching it!

I'll make a real post after I clear the room later.

Oh, and...

26 MORE DAYS UNTIL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE!
Robby
Sunday, October 3, 1999 01:27:18 PM
IP: spider-wm051.proxy.aol.com

Hi folks. In the continuing saga of my not-exactly-broken computer, now my internet connection program is acting strange. If I disconnect, then re-connect without shutting down the machine, the computer seems to lock up.

Weird. Anyway, here's a couple of comments:

Jessie Feff> If I remember correctly, Harley carried a Jester's Head puppet and a really big cork gun. The jester looked like a charactiture of the Joker, and the pop gun was a huge revolver.

Spiderman Unlimited> I liked it. I'm hardly ever at home on Saturday morning (or at least awake and at home on saturday morning..) but I did catch the first episode. It was cool to see several elements from early Marvel history worked in: Counter Earth, The High Evolutionary, etc... I wonder when John Jamison is going to get turned into a werewolf. In the comics, he was an astronout who went to the moon and found a strange green rock, which transformed him into a white werewolf like creature. I bet that in the comics, it will have to do with the High Evolutionary.

Doug, Kit> Thanks to both of you. I'm glad you like the series. I can't give any date for when the next installment will be done. I'm kind of busy now. Besides, I'm always wrong about how long the writing will take. :)
I do plan to work on it today, though.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, October 3, 1999 11:27:17 AM
IP: pppa19-fortworth2-3r774.saturn.bbn.com

Hi all!!

Blue Caeru:I asked this earlier, but I guess it got lost: In TGS, has Matt revealed to anyone his connection to the Illuminati? I just can't remember.>>Matt hasn't revealed his connection to the Illuminati yet If I remember right.

Wilek:Oh, and click my name. These ppl scare me>>Hmm,a Santa cruz address,I thought we trashed half the place on the Joyride>;)

Good night all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Sunday, October 3, 1999 08:24:56 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Hi, everyone.

I know there are quite a few people in here who are also fans of Batman: the Animated Series as well as Gargoyles. I'm seeking some advice. I'm going as Harley Quinn for Halloween this year. I just started sewing my costume and all is going well with that. Okay, here's where I need some help: I haven't seen BTAS in pretty much forever, so my memory on it is pretty foggy. Basically, I am wondering what sort of props would be good for my costume. What sort of things did Harley carry around? I know there were a few things, just can't remember what... Any help is appreciated. :)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 06:33:52 AM
IP: ctrts1-4.mrs.umn.edu

I went out and saw American Beauty tonight. It wasn't free like Superstar was, but that's okay because this movie was *worth* paying money for. Kevin Spacey was great (as was most of the cast) and I don't think I'll ever look at rose petals the same way again. Anyway, my friends and I had some weirdness after the movie. It was around 2am and we had just gotten out of a traffic jam (a car had somehow gotten flipped over and everyone was stopping to rubberneck) when everyone started to slow down again. We looked to see what was going on and saw that several cars ahead of us, a police car was swerving and zigzagging across *all* lanes of the freeway. After a minute or two of this, it stopped in the middle of the road perpendicular to the flow of traffic and just sat there (we were in the far left lane, so we could have gotten by, but the people in front of us weren't moving). Then, some guy with a video camera (the big, professional looking kind, not a camcorder) jumped out of the cop car and started running around, filming the car from different sides. Then, he got back into the cop car and it started zigzagging all over the road again, so we could only go about 10mph. Eventually it pulled over to the side of the road and we could get by. I have no idea what any of it was about, but it was certainly strange.

SJ> <<sometimes I feel like changing my name into a simple symbol that everyone can
understand, and has great social relevance (hint--it involves one single, solitary finger. No further explanation is needed ;) One time I read a book where a time traveler used that as his coat of arms. It also included a race of aliens who had superhuman powers and could only be killed by iron (they were even split into an equivalent of the Seelie and Unseelie).

Fire Storm> <Acid burns? YEOW! But, please, do tell.>> Let's just say chem lab and I aren't getting along very well and I am now the not so proud owner of several scabs where drops of very strong acid landed on my bare skin and some nasty crusty yellow spots on my hands where it ate through my gloves. I also apparently got some on my pants because when I took them out of the wash last night, they had a hole in one leg that wasn't there before and it looks all wrong to be a cut or a tear.

Wilek> << click my name. These ppl scare me>> *LOL* Someone out there has way too much free time on their hands... **Zath stands up** I have a confession to make... I'm addicted to dihydrogen monoxide, and so is everyone else in my family!

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 06:27:07 AM
IP: ppp-223-098.usc.edu

Fire Storm> <> True, but it would have driven up the price, and it would have been next to impossible to replace when it eventually burned out. <<Toon Disney is re-working thier ENTIRE lineup, and I think Gargoyles may get canned.>> NOOOOOOOOOO!!! What do those idiots think they're DOING???!!!! >8(

SOROW> <<My dad was calling a friend to ask which one we should get, and during the call the last scanner we needed was bought. AUGH!>> That stinks. Although at least you know he's willing to get one if the right one is available. :) <<Just wait til the new seasons start back up! This place will be a zoo!>> As if it isn't already? <G> (Well, this has been kind of a slow day...)

Blue Caeru> <> Um...neither can I. :)

VW Beetles> They're kinda cute (especially the Pika-Beetle), although I prefer larger cars. :)

Oh, and click my name. These ppl scare me.
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, October 3, 1999 05:21:51 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Just stopped by to make a quick post.

Fire Storm-<Gargoyles may get canned> If they do, I guess we'll just have to hurt...er...bug some people till they bring it BACK!

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 01:34:04 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

I LOVE four day weekends! I think this has been my laziest day ever.

Blue Caeru> The comment on Matt and Sara was mine. That would be one of those Kodak moments.

Kit> Thanks. I can't wait to hit my second.
SOROW
Saturday, October 2, 1999 10:41:16 PM
IP: dll2b102-08.splitrock.net

**enters the room, still sniffling, switching out the candles. Sits in the massage chair and coughs a bit**

Don't get too close to me, you might get infected. Went to the doctor yesterday and got some meds ... hopefully they'll help me out without making me go loopy ... *plus* I've got two days off work starting tomorrow, so that's nice. :)

Doug/Kitainia: Happy belated anniversary!

Jenna, re work situation: That just plain sucks, mi amiga. Hope that resolves itself soon.

Stephen: Too bad about the rejection ... hope ye have better luck soon! (BTW, I pondered getting my first rejection bronzed ... it came from DC Comics. :)

Beetles: I happen to like them ... I "tried one on" at the Detroit Auto Show two years ago and was utterly *shocked* by the amount of headroom I had! Of course, the one vehicle I absolutely *had* to try out at last year's show was the Escalade ... **sigh** It is to dream. :)

SJ, re: Jimmy Kimmel: Actually, he now has *three* gigs going at once ... he's also a guest prognosticator on Fox's NFL pregame show, and has already gotten himself in trouble with Terry Bradshaw by wearing a hat during one of his segments that read "Terry Is Bald." :)

SJ again, re: end of the world: Besides that, all of those guys who reference Nostradamus when they say the world is ending in 2000 are full of it anyway ... Nostradamus predicted the world wouldn't end until somewhere in the 3500's.

Yggdrasil: Welcome to the madhouse!

**sneezes, fixating once again on the candle's flame.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, October 2, 1999 10:33:38 PM
IP: modem47.i-is.com

***** Another silly RP! *****
Blue Caeru enters the CR, wearing a midnight-blue kevlar-lined trench coat (courtesy of Kaioto :-). As usual, the Demon of Procrastination is following her and being an all-round pain in the- well, you know. Caeru abruptly stops and whirls around to confront the Demon.
B.C.: *in an even tone of voice* Look, I'm getting sick of you and your evil distractions, but I can handle it. However, you seem to be referring some of my friends to your colleagues... and that is something I won't tolerate.

Demon: *arrogantly* I don't know what you're talking about. *pulls out a movie ticket* How about if you go catch a film instead of sticking around here or doing some other boring task like studying?

Caeru is distracted for a moment, but manages to shake herself out of the Demon's powerful persuasive trance.
B.C.: No! *pulls out the Holy Time Planner and the Sacred Alarm Clock from her coat*
Demon: *laughs loudly in the typically menacing fashion all evil demons enjoy* It's too late for _that_! I've become too powerful for those trinkets of yours, can't you tell? *grins widely, which irritates Caeru* You've already had to cram at the VERY LAST MINUTE for... let's see here... two exams _and_ a quiz this week!
B.C.: *horrified* ...Really? I hadn't realized...
Demon: *laughs again, snorting this time* Oh yeah, and don't forget that 1000-word paper you pulled an all-nighter for! *steps forward and knocks the Holy Time Planner and Sacred Alarm Clock out of Caeru's hands*

***** Pause RP *****

Sorry I haven't been around too much to reply and stuff. As you can see, I've been sorta busy. ;-)

Fleur> WB!! Too bad you can't stop by more often. And I hope they get that guy who hit you. Grr... I know how traumatizing it is to get hit; I was in a car with my friend when we were side-swiped. My friend is _still_ afraid to drive sometimes, even though that was almost 2 years ago.

Doug and Kitainia> Hope all goes well with your classes and such. <:-) And Doug, I'm looking forward to your next fics.

Batya> Thanks for the link! Great sketches for TGS, though I don't consider them mere sketches. :-)

 Okay, I don't remember who said this, but it made me laugh. :-)

Spiderman Unlimited> I saw it this morning, but didn't really like it. Seemed to be too many implausibilities in the story.

Kingdomality> I'm a White Knight, but I took it only once, and under slightly unusual conditions (I was half-dead at the time :-P) If I took it again, maybe I'd get a different result, because I don't think I'm THAT nice and optimistic.

I asked this earlier, but I guess it got lost: In TGS, has Matt revealed to anyone his connection to the Illuminati? I just can't remember.

***** Resume RP *****
Startled, Blue Caeru takes a step back, but then she looks the Demon in the eye.
B.C.: Fine then. I guess I'll have to handle this some _other_ way.
Without warning, she pulls out from her trench coat a gold-plated black fountain pen engraved with the name "Darth Margaret" and stabs the Demon in the chest with it, a la Buffy. While the Demon is distracted, she takes out her portable bo, extends it, and angrily attacks.
***** End silly RP *****
Anyone else having problems with procrastination is free to jump in and help me finish the Demon off. ^_^ Take the time to de-stress or something. *g*
Blue Caeru
Saturday, October 2, 1999 09:23:59 PM
IP: spider-wc024.proxy.aol.com

SEVARIUS JR - Re: BATMAN BEYOND - My main problem with BB comes from the fact that I just have a very hard time accepting Terry as Batman. To me he's just some kid in a suit. (Plus I can't buy the idea that Bruce would ever give up. If his body gave up on him then he'd go the KINGDOM COME route more than the one he was given in BB.)

**BEAST MACHINES COMMENTS AND SPOILERS BELOW**

ROBBY - You wrote: [Also, I fully believe Tankor is Rhinox. Same voice and similar head... And I believe Jetstream is Silverbolt, due to attitude and Scott McNeil apparently providing the voice.]

It seems that two of the three sparks that Megatron used probably belong to Rhinox and Silverbolt. The episode guide that's floating around that Bob Skir said is fake but that seems to match with the episodes shown so far also leans in favor of this theory. Even some of the personality traits of Rhinox and Silverbolt can be seen shining through in Tankorr and Thrust (Rhinox had a terrible anger that his spiritual side kept in check and without his mind or spiritual side his anger is running rampant in Tankorr's personality while Silverbolt was a quiet and introspective character and Thrust seems to have inherited some of that quiet nature. Plus the voice that Blackarachnia first heard in her vision that is supposed to be Silverbolt did sound kind of like Thrust).

But I've begun to wonder - considering that amount of betrayal Megatron got in BEAST WARS from using Maximal protoforms/sparks, why go through that again now? Not only that but it seems too obvious. I'm hoping that the three sparks used were just from Random Transformers and that this is just a red herring.

I was so glad to see Silverbolt make a reappearance and that this is now a legitimate plot point. (I'm just a sucker for romance - the best parts of today's episode were Blackarachnia's first vision of Silverbolt and then when she got her memories of him back - the CGI and acting at that point were just superb.) I can't wait to see what's going to be done with that plot. I'm convinced that by the end of it Silverbolt will make a reappearance as Silverbolt for two simple reasons - the first is that today's episode made a big deal about emphasising visually how Silverbolt and Blackarachnia are literal soulmates (especially in the first vision) and second there is supposed to be a BM Maximal Wolf toy coming out eventually. Like I said, I can't wait to see how this plot develops - that romance was the best part of BEAST WARS and it looks now like it's going to be one of the better parts of BEAST MACHINES.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, October 2, 1999 09:18:37 PM
IP: 91.new-york-31-32rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Is it my imagination, or has the Sunday slow-down grown to include Saturday too?
Zath
Saturday, October 2, 1999 07:43:10 PM
IP: ppp-223-069.usc.edu

**RP HERE**

Lying in a bacta tank on board the Avatar, Kaioto watches as the Ravens' ship descends towards Earth. "Good luck, my friends," he silently prays. "God guide your path."

On board the ship, Doug, Kit, and the other Ravens step out of their rejuvenation chambers. "Wow!" Jaden smiles as he stretches his muscles. "I feel like I could take on the world." "Yeah," Doug nods. "What those chambers can do is amazing, but temporary. We better get the Phalanx taken care of quickly so we don't have to spend several days asleep." "We're coming up on Giza," says the ship's pilot. "Are you all ready?" "As we'll ever be," Keith answers. Jammer nods and looks at Gubio. "Say, Alex, about your girlfriend..." "What about her?" Gubio asks. "Does she have any training? Combat experience? Any skills at all other than computer stuff?" "Well," Gubio grins, "she did fight in the Gulf War." "On whose side?" asks Doug. "Ours," Gubio answers. "She's also been in several skirmishes in the former Yugoslavia against Milosevic and in Afghanistan against the Taliban." "Why would she be battling all these various forces?" inquires Kit. "Erin's with the Society of Desert Night," Gubio replies with a smile. "That's a secret Arabian order of expert warriors and assassins. They were started thirteen hundred years ago by one of Mohammed's sucessors to watch over and protect the people who follow Islam." Keith raises an eyebrow. "Does that mean she's a Muslim fanatic?" "True Islam, Dragonboy," Gubio tells the ninja. "Not the mockery of it megalomaniac jerks like the fanatics of today support. That's why she was fighting the Taliban and Saddam, not joining them. Other members of her order are still helping the rebels against corrupt Muslim regimes all over Africa and the Middle East. They're like Islamic paladins." "Well, then," Shap smiles, "I guess we can count on her." "As long as she's on our side, and she can fight," says Doug, "I'll be happy to have her help. Now let's get ready, guys. We got a battle ahead." "Right," Kit nods, cocking her laser as the ship begins to land.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi everybody. As promised, this post is going to contain lots of reviews. So be warned, there are mild spoilers ahead. Let's get into the comments. :)

**SPOILERS FOR THREE KINGS**

Everyone go see this film, it is excellent. Great preformances by all the actors involved, nice plot and script, and wonderful storyline. I liked that it had several good bits of comedy as well as the nicely done action and moral uplift. The part where the Republican Guard runs away from "Saddam" inspired a particulary large amount of laughs. Overall, Three Kings was the best war film I've seen in years, definitely better than Thin Red Line and Saving Ryan's Privates. 9/10, thumbs up. It should definitely be in the running for Oscars this year. :)

**END SPOILERS FOR THREE KINGS**

Saturday TV Shows: Had to sleep in and miss Beast Machines this morning. <sighs> Hope a friend of mine recorded it, reviews in here and the other room make it sound like there was a really good new ep. I did watch the new eps of Batman Beyond, Pokemon, and MIB though. All were excellent, especially the MIB one. It, like Pokemon, seems to be shaping up for a great new season. The new Xena and Hercules episodes were also very cool, I liked the character development done on everyone. Hope the new seasons of these shows don't butcher mythology like their previous ones have. <fingers crossed>

Pistoff: Thanks for the update on what's ahead in Gargs 2K, I can hardly wait to read it. Hope to soon see Part 2 of Injustice for All.

Playboy Magazine: I agree with Spike, the articles in Playboy are often suprisingly interesting. That's why I sometimes check them out at the local Tower Records. The pictures I usually flip past out of boredom, though occassionally I do like to compare my looks and/or personality to a particularly ugly, ditzy, or too-artificial woman and smile as I come out ahead.

SOROW: Happy first-year anniversary! May you have many more!! :) (and stay away from Jackal <grin>)

Christine: Thanks for the Kingdomality link. Hail to my fellow Black Knight! :)

Nightwalker: You're welcome. Hope the relationship continues to go well, though the first one is not always the best. :(

David G: Looking forward to your Freelance stories as well. Hope to see them soon. Thanks for the information.

Jenna: Sorry to hear you almost got fired, glad you weren't. Congrats on finally making the change of name. And thanks for the good bit on Armageddon and Ragnarok.

Stephen: The latest rejection of your work saddens me. :( Good luck finding someone else who will accept it soon.

Angie: <nods> Thanks for the excellent advice.

Mandi: Thanks for reviewing last night's new Now and Again ep, you said everything I wanted to. I also enjoyed the episode, especially the fight and Michael's talks with his wife and Roger. This show is turning out to be very original, excellently acted, and wonderfully well-written. Our paper's critics said it wouldn't go anywhere, glad they've been proven wrong. Can't wait till next week's ep and hope the show goes on. <prayer>

Tests: Hope the professors who gave bad tests to the people in here learn from their mistakes. And that the people in question (Doug and Mandi) make somewhat good grades regardless of the tests' faults.

Welcome newcomer Yggdrasil!

Sarge: I didn't manage to catch the new Spiderman Unlimited ep, but if your review is correct, I didn't miss anything. <sighs> It's bad that they're not following continuity with Fox's old Spiderman, I'm glad Doug is in his fics. :) Maybe they'll start doing continuity with next week's ep, hope so.

And that's all I have to say for now, as there are no more topics. :( Later!

**RESUME RP**

The Ravens disembark from their shuttle and run towards Giza, ready to face the Phalanx. Most of the enemy drones do not notice them until it is too late, too busy with fighting the Avatar's forces of Daleks and Borg. Quickly all the Ravens but Keith, Stephanie, and Jaden fire off laser, bullet, arrow, missile, or magical projectiles, each shot taking out a drone. That makes some of the Phalanx turn and leap to attack them, forcing the Ravens to draw hand weapons and fight the drones up close. Jaden lets out a rabid battle howl and charges in to help. Stephanie and Keith are about to follow when another group of Phalanx come bursting out of the ground to surround them. Leading this new bunch is the Phalanx-assimilated rock star Lenny Kravitz. "You'll want to get away!" he sings at the two Ravens. "You'll want to fly away!! Yeah!!" Stephanie growls and pulls out her katana. "Shut up!" she shouts. "Don't you know your music sucks, you stupid Tommy Hilfiger clone?" Kravitz's face blanches for a moment, then turns to worry as Stephanie starts advancing on him. "American woman," he sings, "get away from me...." "No thanks," Kit's sister snaps, slashing her weapon out and neatly cutting the Phalanx rocker down. "That ought to get his music off the radio." "Uh, Stef?" Keith calls. "A little help?" "Right, sorry," Stephanie nods, turning and rushing to assist Keith with the other Phalanx drones. Around them on the battlefield, Kit, Doug, and the other Ravens continue fighting their way through the Phalanx's ranks to the pyramids, the Avatar forces helping out as much as they can.

On a high ridge above the battle, a pair of figures lower their binoculars. "Hmm," frowns a dark-skinned man in golden and white robes. "This battle is intensifying. Worrisome." "That's an understatement!" barks the harsh-featured Egyptian woman standing next to him, angrily clutching a bolo in her left hand. "We'll need the power of the Pyramids and Sphinx to free my father! If they're destroyed..." "They won't be," Harthoth calmly assures her. "And even if they are, they can always be rebuilt." Isfet glares at the sorcerer. "Not the same way! I'm going down there to make sure they aren't leveled by this fight!" "But what can you do?" Harthoth asks her. "There are two armies down there!" "I'll find some way to halt their fighting," snaps the half-dragon. "You can either help me or wait here!" She leaves him behind and runs on. Harthoth frowns, then turns around as he hears a sudden noise. "A detachment of the Egyptian government's army," he says after raising his binoculars and looking through them at an approaching battalion of soldiers, jeeps, APCs, and tanks. "I was wondering when they would show up." Then a flash catches his eye and the sorcerer turns again. "It's her," he gasps, recognizing a golden gargoyle statue standing on another hill beside a covered jeep with tinted windows. "Hmm. All we need now is the Timedancer, and another battle in the eternal conflict will begin." Deciding to see if he can stop the Egyptian Army battalion, Harthoth lowers his binoculars and starts heading down the hill.

**SCREEN FADES OUT, END THIS RP**
Kitainia
Saturday, October 2, 1999 06:31:31 PM
IP: pool-209-138-163-238.dlls.grid.net

I really like this Ajax person....

I'm back. The chicken pot pie dinner last night went wacko. First of all my friend(and editor) didn't show up, so his brother and I spent half the night prank calling him. Then the drying machine in the kitchen broke and we had to speed things up to get the dishes dried!

Saturday Morning Cartoonies:

Beast Machines: IT WAS THE BEST! I'm a sucker for mysterious and sad scenes, so when Blackarachnia remembered falling in the crevice and Silverbolt rescuing her I instantly loved the show. The following skit is a prediction of what may happen in the show....This is jes' a prediction kiddies so don't give yer hopes up!

(Cheetor and Blackarachnia just caused Jetstorm to crash and hurt himself)

Cheetor: let's go Blackarachnia!
Black: Wait....I
Cheetor: Come on! What are you waiting for?
Black: Are you...are you hurt?
Jetstorm(or whoever Silverbolt is): Ughhh....just...just enough to make me look.....interesting....

That is when she realizes who he is!

If the show continues more with the sentimental scenes I'm betting Blackarachnia will have more rememberances of Silverbolt such as that.

Digimon: They are focusing more on the adventure. I hope they will get back to dilemas that real kids have, (such as siblingship or teamwork).

Pokemon: Funny, didn't expect a show like that...glad they brought back that music, the same one they used when Charmeleon evolved into Charizard....why the heck am I even watching this show???

Spiderman: Okay I like it...I like it....and brining Jamison into the show was such a cool idea! But where on earth did Mary Jane come from? I thought she was trapped in a demesionless void...or what ever it was. Obviously they aren't considering much of the old show....nott like Beast Machines...me favorite show (next to gargies of course!)!

Okay that about wraps it up!

72743 If anyone can realize why I put this number down, I'll make another top ten!

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Saturday, October 2, 1999 02:44:19 PM
IP: spider-wd032.proxy.aol.com

Dammit! I was soooo close to getting a scanner a couple days ago! My dad was calling a friend to ask which one we should get, and during the call the last scanner we needed was bought. AUGH! Well, at least I know my dad is serious about it, so it'll come soon enough!

I'm suppose to be at a PSAT class right now, but I think I'll prefer to study at home. Talk about boring teachers!

Wilek, Xanathar, Robby, SJ, Doug, and everyone else> Thanks for the anniversary wishes! I plan to make many more years out of this and only Lord knows when I'll be able to meet you wonderful people. You're in my hearts!

Robby> My mother taped every ep of Beauty and the Beast with Linda Hamilton. She sure likes her TV!

Sarge> Top 10 List was hilarious! I wonder what Sara would say to Matt if she found out? ;) Probably put a gun to his head...

Green Baron> I don't believe I'll be able to go to G2K next year :( Though my drill team camp won't be during that weekend, my dad wouldn't be so nice as to help me pay for the trip. Instead, I'll make sure you get your round of annual spankings!

night walker> July 25 is your b-day? Gotta write that down so you'll get what's coming to ya ;)

JackaL> Awwww, you're gonna make me cry. *HUGZ*

Welcome to all newbies! May you stay to claim CR anniversaries of your own.

Welcome back to those who we have missed! Just wait til the new seasons start back up! This place will be a zoo!

My ex-boyfriend and his band just cut their first CD, and they kick @$$! So watch out for them in the future. OG Burrito rocks!
SOROW
Saturday, October 2, 1999 02:38:23 PM
IP: dll2b202-04.splitrock.net

27 DAYS UNTIL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE!

Can't stay on long, I'm getting ready to go see Beauty and the Beast: The Broadway Version.... FUn.

**BEAST MACHINES SPOILERS**

However I will say that today's episode of Beast Machines finally won me over. The liquid explosions are still bothersome, but now that plot holes have become plot points (THe writers didn't forget Silverbolt and Rhinox, the characters did) and there's actual villains now, its getting good.
Also, I fully believe Tankor is Rhinox. Same voice and similar head... And I believe Jetstream is Silverbolt, due to attitude and Scott McNeil apparently providing the voice. (Not that it means much since he voiced Dinobot, Rattrap, Silverbolt, Waspinator and I think Tigertron in Beast Wars...) Sudden creativity demons come forth when Black Arachnia realizes who Jetstream is...
Black Arachnia: Jetstream... I want you to return with me, to the Maximals..."
Jetstream: Get a clue! I'm a Vehicon! I'm EVIL. I'll shoot you!
BA: No. My heart and six eyes tell me you will not.
JS: Oh yeah? *THWACK*
BA: You SHOT me!

**END BEAST MACHINES SPOILERS

Robby
Saturday, October 2, 1999 01:05:35 PM
IP: spider-wl032.proxy.aol.com

DURID> I took that test twice. The time I was really thinking carefully, I did get "Shepherd." When I breezed through it the first time, though, I got "Black Knight." For fun, I reversed my true rankings, and I got "Discoverer."
Pogo - [O]
Saturday, October 2, 1999 12:58:50 PM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

Hei! Hugs ta awll yawll!

*Scowls* *baffs self*
Here's tha link.

HOORAY FOR TRENT REZNOR!

Au revoirs!
Adrienne. :)
Saturday, October 2, 1999 12:29:37 PM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Hi all!!

Kingdomality:I got Benevolent Ruler.(I could see that....maybe:))

SOROW:Today marks a very special day because exactly one year ago I made my very first post in this room>>Happy anniversary!!:)

Coyote:Sorry to hear that your sick,I hope you get better soon.

jenna:Okay- why am I upset. Had to go to ssn office to get my name changed--- told my boss yesterday, and he said it was okay, the waiting took way longer than I thought, and I didn't have access to a phone. Like a 4 hour wait or something- come to work and am told I do that again- and I'm fired. Reegardless that it was not my fault..>>That completely sucks Jenna*Hugs*,I don't blame you for being upset.

Sarge:Great top ten list,as always:)

Stephen R. Sobotka:Talebones rejected my story, so I am off to the rat race of finding a new market again. :/>>I'm sorry,I hope you have better luck next time.

Amber/Yggdrasil:Welcome to our den of insanity:)

Adrienne/Durid:Welcome back!

Angie re accident:Such a shame:(,I hope that guy gets a nice long jail term and never gets his licence back.

SJ:You'll be happy to know that Trent's new CD (well, at this point, Trent IS NIN, pure and simple) was at the top of the Billboard charts, blowing away all the other pretenders to the throne such as Ricky Martin, Britney Spears, and the Backside Boyz. It's where he belongs, too, at the top. I haven't heard the whole CD, but what I have listened to I think is some of the best work he's ever done, and is quite possibly a masterpiece of the genre.>>That's great news:),Trent thoroughly deserves to be at number one(he's at number two here,but I expect that will change),time to show the Ricky Martin's of this world what real artistic expression is:)

Fire Storm:Toon Disney is re-working thier ENTIRE lineup, and I think Gargoyles may get canned.>>Not you guys too!,First Disney Australia dumps Gargs now Maybe Toon Disney*Wimpers*

Good night all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Saturday, October 2, 1999 06:45:37 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Christine: i took that test and it said I was Prime Minister material. REALLY fits me too:
You are a strategist who pursues the most efficient and logical path toward the realization of the goal that
you perceive or visualize. You will often only associate with those people who can assist you in the
implementation of your plan. Inept assistants may be immediately discarded as excess baggage. To do
otherwise could be seen as inefficient and illogical. On the positive side, you can be rationally idealistic
and analytically ideological. You can be a bold decision maker and risk taker who can move society ahead
by years instead of minutes. On the negative side, you may be unmerciful, impatient, arrogant, impetuous
and impulsive. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms.
I am unmerciful to morons that I have to work with
I am impatient for people that just don't underdstand
arrogant, impetuous and impulsive: Hmm... well, I don't really think I am these, I hope.

TJ: Gameboy Advance: I read the article and one thing did NOT make sense. NOT having a light. I mean, it isn't THAT much more difficult to create a panel light behind that! (Think INDIGLO watches and laptop screens)

Aaron: <first conract hit>
Man... THAT brings back some memories!

Christine: <Self-publishing>
Hmm... VERY true. Too many great artists to choose from.
MAYBE have a contest and the bast one gets to be on the cover. Who knows?

night walker: <Aren't most crossover stories creativity demons?>
Yeah. Pretty much.

Toku Kaioto: Well, I didn't think they were ACTUAL gems!
Ahh... Ok. I wondered what they were for.

Zath: Acid burns? YEOW! But, please, do tell.

Batman Beyond: I have to agree with SJ. They actually arn't too bad from what I have seen. Alot of paralell plots to the origional B:TAS, but some interesting twists.

Schools: I have 2 teachers in my family, and belive you me, I KNOW how bad the system is.
DOWN WITH ENGLER!

Robby: Scanner problems: Let me guess... you have a Hewlet Packard printer and a scanner thats not a Hewlet Packard?
I've seen this problem MANY times. Even though HP SAYS there is a way around this, their solution is unreliable.

Toon Disney: BAD news, I fear. Toon Disney is re-working thier ENTIRE lineup, and I think Gargoyles may get canned.
My Dish Network mag says that it will still be on, but that thing is wrong alot.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, October 2, 1999 04:12:10 AM
IP: 216.90.45.171

Hm, link didn't work. Well, it's at http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/MaraInsanity/darthpika.jpg anyhow. :)
Wilek
Saturday, October 2, 1999 03:42:42 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

**RP!**

[In the Sphinx, the team is attempting to take down a large Phalanx scorpion mech, and so far they've been doing well, having impaled it and amputated one of its claws, but still it keeps coming, and it's excessively well-armed. Most of their weaponry does little to harm it--until Black Tiger has an idea. Greatly daring, he leaps onto the huge arthropod's back, barely managing to evade its numerous particle weapons, and begins clawing at it. The scorpion instinctively lashes out at whatever's causing its injuries--and accidentally stings itself. It screeches in agony as its own acid venom slowly dissolves its innards, reducing it to a smoking heap of trashed hardware. Kari: "Wow...I think that's one of the bravest things I've ever seen anyone do!" Black Tiger: "Or the stupidest..." In either case, now that the massive Phalanx warmech warmech is officially dead, SJ leads the way into the research sector, hoping soon to find his father and free him from the evil Phalanx...]

**PAUSE RP!**

<grr> My mail server's down, just when I needed to send and possibly recieve a few e-mails. <pours acid down DC's throat>

TJ Veil> <<"I would feel infinitely more comfortable in your presence if you would agree to treat gravity as a law, rather than one of a number of suggested options.">> <LOL> I HAVE to use that in my fics! :D

Doug> <<Another Lone Ranger secret- "Tonto" is Spanish for "stupid and foolish.">> ACK. I wonder if the makers of the show were actually aware of this? I mean, that kind of thing wouldn't be tolerated today... <<This test is only 15% of our final grade, hopefully with the other midterm, the paper, and the final exam that determine the rest I can somehow make up for it.>> Let's hope so. Tests like that are the *worst*. <> <MUHAHAHAHA> I can just see one of the lawyers getting his brain fried by a Mewtwo. >:)

SOROW> <<Today marks a very special day because exactly one year ago I made my very first post in this room and made friends that I place all my trust and love with.>> Kewl! Happy anniversary! :D

Stormy> Airvee> Too cute. ^_^

Aaron> <<Ah, the male rights of passage. First cigarettes, first porno, first beer, first conract hit...>> Eh...I never really bothered with most of that (although I'll still remember my first hit; that deer-in-the-headlights expression is always great); I've always went in for more geekish pastimes, like--well, the Internet. <G> <<Pikachu wearing a little blue and white outfit and a conical hat. He is.. Raidenchu!>> <LOL> I love it! :D <<And for more Pikachu weirdness, ask Wilek for the link to Darth Pikachu.>> <muhahaha> I was hoping someone in here would ask about that. >8) It's at my name link. Sick, weird stuff. ^_^

Christine> Kewl test...apparently I'm a Minstrel/Dreamer. Hm...musically inclined, weird imagination...it could work. ^_^

Night Walker> <<Bjork had her first CD out 20 years ago [at age 11] and has been doing music in general since she was 5.>> <blink> Wow. I'm impressed. :) <<oh , never mind , one of my other personalities is looking at me funny.>> You have those too? I managed to get mine under control by turning them into fic characters. >8) <<Do any of you think that I'm crazy to choose the Taurus ove a sportscar [which is actually chris's car] .>> Not really; a friend of mine has a rather nice Taurus. :)

Coyote> Hope you'll be feeling better soon. :/

Jenna> <<told my boss yesterday, and he said it was okay, the waiting took way longer than I thought, and I didn't have access to a phone. Like a 4 hour wait or something- come to work and am told I do that again- and I'm fired. Reegardless that it was not my fault..>> ACK! Didn't he understand the concept of you not being responsible for really long lines?! <sigh> <<in reality, I don't think it will be y2k-- again to ovious. --- try april fools day :P-->> April Fool's Day...oh, that would be *quite* the prank. (Although, of course, I do hope that particular April Fools' is more than a few years away...) <<It was a "christian" comic about archangels-- they were fighting these gargoyles. Of course the angels looked like buff guys.>> <GRR> That's..that's...ugh. It's almost as bad as this little cheap 70s horror movie called, you guessed it, Gargoyles, although it didn't deserve the name. It was mentioned here a while back, but...I had no idea just how awful it was until I happened to see the opening. It was a montage of stained-glass windows and cathedral paintings showing gargoyles serving as soldiers of darkness against the forces of good. I had to be restrained from tossing the TV out the window. (Restraint, in this case, consisting of a masterfully-administered Vulcan nerve pinch.)

Shogun Raptor> <<"you heard the judge, take your eyes of your tongue and put them back in your face">> ROTFL! :D Oh how I'd love to see that...

Sarge> <<Matt- Elisa...there is something I need to tell you...I'm a woman......>> Wouldn't THAT put a sick little spin on TGS...

Jannie> <<I received a $600 net bill from SWBT once - with no way of proving them wrong. I paid it and now have a different server. I would have had to been online 24/7 for about 3 weeks to have justified the amount they said I owed.>> ACK! I'm glad you got away from those idiots. (I'm also glad my service has a flat rate...) Oh, and excellent public vs private school rant. A friend of mine went to a public school, and it was one of the worst experiences of his life. Fortunately, a form of selective amnesia has kept him from having to remember much of it, although it wouldn't surprise me if he had a mild form of post-traumatic stress disorder. <> YEAH! :D I was so glad when I got that channel; finally, I had not only Gargoyles but a lot of Disney's other decent series (TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, DuckTales). I'm very glad you're getting it too. :)

Stephen> Sorry to hear of the rejection. (Maybe *all* of us should chip in and start our own publishing house! S8 Publishing...hm...)

Zath> <<Well, as the perfect end to a perfectly rotten week that included everything I've already mentioned as well as acid burns, regular burns, headaches, more oversleeping, more lack of sleep, and other stuff, I found out what one of my Thursday midterm grades was today... **shudder**>> ACK. A lot of us seem to be having awful weeks lately... <> Oh, yes. Maybe we can have the bit with Japan and America on it (which would admittedly be a rather large 'bit'...). ^_^

SJ> <<I'm a little sick of hearing about the end of the world.>> Me too! If they don't back off, these death-cult idiots are gonna blow my cover! The last ones almost revealed the date I've set for the vortex bombs to--I'd better shut up...<<sometimes I feel like changing my name into a simple symbol that everyone can understand, and has great social relevance (hint--it involves one single, solitary finger. No further explanation is needed ;)>> <muhahah> I hear Rosanne was going to do the same thing. ;)

Robby> <<It seems that some time yesterday or early this morning, someone took a magic marker and wrote the word "sex" in the upper left hand corner of every brick on one school wall. I'm not going to count, but thats at least two hundred writings of the word...>> o_O' Ok, that sounds like the work of a borderline (if not full-tilt) psychotic. Time to find a new school.

All newcomers> Welcome! :D Allow Deuce to confiscate your sanity and liberate your mind, allowing you to fully appreciate the chaotic environment of the CR. ^_^

Durid and Adrienne> Welcome back! :D

Jaden> <<Ok, right now I have Primestar and when I turn the channel the screen tells me what's currently showing. Well when I turned on Toondisney to watch Gargoyles it instead said that Mighty Ducks was playing.>> That exact thing happened to me too, and I have DirecTv instead of Primestar! O_o
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, October 2, 1999 03:41:37 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

HEI, Y'AWLL! *bone-crushing hugs everyone* OH, man, I haven't posted in a long time....WEll, I haveta get off, so......YEEHAW! MY GALLERY IS UP! *shrieks* Uhm...can y'awll tell me what ye think? THanks!

Oh- WElcome ta the CR, Yggdrasil!

WEll, Au Revoirs!

Adrienne. :) - [beowulf2@pacbell.net]
Saturday, October 2, 1999 02:07:03 AM
IP: adsl-216-103-53-143.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

**** NO RP TONIGHT****

I just had one of the biggest scares in my life. Ok, right now I have Primestar and when I turn the channel the screen tells me what's currently showing. Well when I turned on Toondisney to watch Gargoyles it instead said that Mighty Ducks was playing. I swear that my heart stopped until I realized that it was a mistake and Gargoyles was still going showing.

Lexy- That's a terrible thing to happen to anyone. I hope things work out for you sooner than later.

Kingdom test- I was hoping to turn out to be a Knight or something, but I got 'Benevolent Ruler' so what can I say. I'll just have to change my name from David Christensen to David Xanatos.

Sarge- Ha. Funny top ten.

Angie- How sad. It's terrible to think that things like that happen just because someone wanted to shave a few minutes off their schedule by speeding.

Well I think that's all I have for now.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Saturday, October 2, 1999 01:57:41 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Greetings!
This is my first post on this site. I just wanted to make any Canadian(or US readers if you're on one of the boarder states and can somehow get a signal) readers that Gargoyles is back on TV!!!
Family is airing Gargoyles as of Oct. 1st starting with the movie(You know the massively edited compilation of the first 4 episodes.) It will then air on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I'm not sure about the times so check the site listed in the URL section of this post.
P.S. I am waiting with rapt anticipation for the new TGS episodes. Good job all those involved.
P.P.S. If anyone checked the Ask Greg Page on Station 8 he made a referral to the possibility of a Live Action Gargoyles movie.(Not something that he, himself appears to be working on.) I don't think it can properly capture the essence of the show. Questions, comments, let me know.
Yggdrasil - [gperry@iprimus.ca]
Ontario, Canada
Saturday, October 2, 1999 01:02:18 AM
IP: dialin148.hamilton.globalserve.net

Sevarius Jr.> concerning private -vs- public schools, I agree 150%. Private schools can afford to provide more programs, have lower teacher-student ratio, etc. simply because they receive more money per student and they have the right to exclude students. Public schools do not have the luxury. There is such a financial drain on the school systems from students who do not wish to have an education, but the law states otherwise... with no regard to the cost involved. Yes, the public school system needs a total revamping and a whole new attitude! If a student decides that he/she does not want to be educated and expresses himself/herself in a violent or disrespectful manner, then we should bend over backwards escorting that student to the door. But the government says otherwise. So, yeah.. if I had the choice, I would choose Private schools hands down. But I will stand up for 98% of the teachers in public schools! *g*
I know how dedicated and yet how tight their hands are tied nowadays. It's really a shame and sucks watermelons.

Jenna> I will be attending the Ren Fest this weekend myself *smiles* at least I am planning on attending... depends on how much energy I have left over by Sunday. *chuckles*
Have fun there! I hope Bob is there again - he cracks me up!
Jannie
Saturday, October 2, 1999 01:00:13 AM
IP: 196-243.c.esc4.net

One last post- the comic I mentioned in last post of course miffed me because I'm a garg fan--grrrr!!!
jenna
Saturday, October 2, 1999 12:13:57 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-194.hstntx.swbell.net

well back here--

Servarus Jr- I got my last name changed. I got married in March and hadn't had a chance to change my last name tll now finally. Yeah, I'm old fashioned what can I say... :P

Feeling better here- the neighbors here were at each other's throats for the past week- really bad. kept the whole apt complex up- and the cops had to be called out. I finally just got some sleep.

End of the world-- nah, won't be Y2k- too ovious and predicable. And I don't know that when the armagetton everyone fears comes, that it will be what people suspect. Alot of people misunderstand Revelations. It isn't so much about the end of the earth, as it is about the end of the old system. The earth is supposed to go through varius changes-but it won't be destoryed- I use alot of these images in the fanfic I am working on "The first Ragnarok" -- blood falling from the skies like rain, earth quakes, ect--- but in reality, I don't think it will be y2k-- again to ovious. --- try april fools day :P--

This weekend me , my hubby, and his family are going to the Tesas Rennissance Festival-- anyone here heard of it? It's pretty awesome- I think it's the best part of Texas frankly- jousting, revealry, awesome food, dance-- very very cool! :)

Pist off-- I got your em- hope to respond soon. - had the bank withdrawl thing my self.

Because of the neighbors keeping me up, my mind was a whirlwind last night. I was thinking alot about my fanfic coming up, and the nature of the evil. It's a little spoiler for Misbegotten Son - matters of fate part 2-- In it I have a character who is called Titan. He is beautiful, and very angelic looking- yellow skin, white feathered wings, and he radiates slightly. And, he is bad as hell- a rapist, child murder, and son of--a demon. I got this inspired to do this character for two things. First, Lucifer is called "the son of the morning" and he's supposed to radiate. And second, I got the idea from something I saw.

It was a "christian" comic about archangels-- they were fighting these gargoyles. Of course the angels looked like buff guys. I thought- well, that's really rather shallow. Evil hardly ever comes in the tradional forms- horns, red skin, the nine yards. Rather, it often comes cloathed in rightousness. It is rarely so easy to recognize. Well, anyway, I was thinking about this last night....

jenna
Saturday, October 2, 1999 12:10:03 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-194.hstntx.swbell.net

***
Durid step out from the shadows "Hey, I'm still around. Just lettting everyone know." Smiles.
***

Kingdom's test - Saw the link and took it quick... Am I the only one here that got "Sheperd"?
Your distinct personality, The Shepherd is to tend to your human flock. You understand the needs of those for whom you are responsible. Shepherds are vigilant and reliable. You realize your obligation and commitment to the well being of those entrusted to your care. Shepherds are very dependable. You engender a feeling of comfort and stability to those within your charge. On the positive side, Shepherds can be empathic, caring, understanding, practical and realistic. On the negative side, you may be manipulative, close-minded and sentimentally rigid. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms.

*****
Durid fades back into the shadows of the commet room.
*****
Durid the Druid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 11:59:59 PM
IP: dialupaa64.mpls.uswest.net

28 DAYS UNTIL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE!

Yeah! I finally got my scanner working! Seems the problem was its incompatible with the printer, so one has to be disconnected for the other to work... Go fig. ANyhow, this means I'll probably be doing more TGS illustrations this season...

Interesting going ons at school... It seems that some time yesterday or early this morning, someone took a magic marker and wrote the word "sex" in the upper left hand corner of every brick on one school wall. I'm not going to count, but thats at least two hundred writings of the word... Very strange... I'm curious as to how the school is going to hide this. Are they going to sandblast every brick or pretend its not there or what?

Nightwalker- You have other personalities too? Hmm. I have at least a dozen to keep up with... (Thank goodness the Lonny persona is dead tho. He was hard to control! THough his voice still comes out every now and again. It likely will this halloween...)

Kaioto-
"Collecting things is fine and good, its value not substantial...
Things are only worth what people think when it comes to things financial..."
Hmm, has possibilities...

SJ- Sorry about the car troubles man. Part of the reason I only take the bus.

Coyote- Happy belated birthday! Tho I think I said that when we were IMing the other night...

Sorow- One year in this CR, congrats! I'm approaching that point pretty soon as well...

Jenna- That kinda... Sucks. Hope things work out for ya.

Sarge- Interesting top ten...

Midieval occupation- "Benevolent Ruler". Hmm.

**RP HERE**

The group that had fought the cyber-smurf looks on as the giant bug thingie sprouts a ton of weapons.
"Joy." Musoke Punzara Noying, aka the Black Tiger tosses of sarcastically before jumping in front of SJ and his aunt Kari to be pummelled with a spray of bullets. His armor gets a little damaged, but he is otherwise unhurt, since it is armor from the Next Dimension, its pretty tough stuff. He powers up energy in his gauntlets and prepares to blast the thing, protecting his aunt and friends. A brief gauntleted fireball does nothing.
"Um guys, if you have a plan, nows the time to put it into action..."
Jim's clone uses his superspeed to get behind the creature, (Remember, he RAN to the Dark Star 2 faster than a jet could get there, and it was in space!) and he uses his unique vocal ability to imitate the sound of a thousand warriors coming from the creature's left. Naturally it turns to investigate.
Kari grins wickedly and charges up her spear with magical energy. She hurls the thing at the bug and it goes right on through, splattering out green blood. And yet the bug keeps on coming.
"Hoo boy..."
Robby
Friday, October 1, 1999 11:53:50 PM
IP: spider-wj082.proxy.aol.com

Stephen> Sorry about the rejection. At least they made a quick decision instead of letting you twist in the wind. Good luck on your next submission!
Pogo
Friday, October 1, 1999 11:38:47 PM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

***BEGIN RP***
"What the heck is *that*?" Kari screamed, looking straight up at the scorpion-like Phalanx mecha-drone.
"That is one big bug," SJ commented, then ducked out of the way as the huge Phalanx swiped at him with it's tail
appendage. "We need to take this thing down, quick!"
"I'm on it," Black Tiger said. He quickly dodged one of the beast's large, spindly legs before it could come crashing down upon him, and lashed out with his claws. Seconds later, the appendage fell to the ground, neatly amputated by the Tiger.
SJ pumped pulse after pulse from his PPG pulse rifle into the creature's body. "Dang it, go down!" he shouted.
"Let me help," Kari offered. She ran forward and drove her spear deep into the creature's side, illiciting a howl of pain from the techno-organic being. "I think I got it!" she said triumphantly.
That's when the drone sprouted about a dozen different particle beam weapons. "Aw, crap," SJ said with a frown. "I hate it when their guns are bigger than mine..."
***END RP***

Lots of stuff to talk about tonight....hopefully this weekend will be somewhat less tiresome--and crappy--as the rest of this week has been.

Comic Book news: Well, looks like us X-Men fans have just dodged a bullet by *this* much. Seems that Rob Liefeld was
all set to make some "radical" changes to most of the X-titles, but the deal between him and Marvel fell through. I don't know about you guys, but I find that a Rob Liefeld-driven X-universe is infinitely more frightening and potentially disastrous than the usually discontinuous X-universe. I'm sorry, but I don't want Liefeld anywhere near any of the titles that I enjoy. Let him go back to turning out about a hundred different Youngblood #1s over at Image.
On a more uplifting note, the rumor going around is that Warren Ellis is going to spring onto the X-Men bandwagon.
However, Ellis has before stated that he doesn't want to work for any lengthy stint on any ongoing series.....could he have changed his mind? Personally, I'd love to see him sign on. With the return of Chris Claremont imminent in 2000, he'd be a great addition to the creative team.

***Warning, rant up ahead***
I'm a little sick of hearing about the end of the world.
You see, with all this recent crap happening in the world (storms, earthquakes, that nuclear explosion in Japan), the ol' "the world's gonna end in 2000" crap is surfacing again. If one more person mentions Nostradamus' name again, I'm gonna rip their tongue out. Look, the world ain't ending. Y2K is probably gonna do jack. At the very least, you won't need to stockpile gallons and gallons of water or tons of can food. Okay? You're not gonna need to hide in your little bunker and kill the neighbors for food. It just ain't gonna happen. Yes, weird crap is happening. But weird crap ALWAYS happens. The world will still be here Jan. 2, 2000. So enough with the doom and gloom already!!!
***end rant***

Batman Beyond: I finally watched my tapes of the last two episodes of this show....and I gotta disagree with you folks in here who didn't think they were that good. I thought they were pretty solid. If anything, I like that they've sort of gained a new, darker flavor (the Chimera's final form was horrific, and the decayed corpse look of Earthmover was like something out of TftC!). I don't want to conjecture as to what some of you are thinking, but I think perhaps the criticism around the show stems from it being more of a superhero program instead of the more character-driven, story-heavy episodes of, say, the earlier Batman. Does that mean I like Beyond more? No, but I do think it is a very good show for what it is. It's a different beast even than the original Batman:TAS.

Xanathar: You'll be happy to know that Trent's new CD (well, at this point, Trent IS NIN, pure and simple) was at the top of the Billboard charts, blowing away all the other pretenders to the throne such as Ricky Martin, Britney Spears, and the Backside Boyz. It's where he belongs, too, at the top. I haven't heard the whole CD, but what I have listened to I think is some of the best work he's ever done, and is quite possibly a masterpiece of the genre.

Public vs. Private schools: Having served time in both, I found that private schools provide the better education, simply cause they can. They can afford to spend the money to have the better programs for the kids....namely cause the parents are paying for them. I don't have a high opinion of our public school system, especially since we get our butts kicked by like, EVERY country in the world when they do those education system testings. The sad thing was that all the kids in the U.S. who did real good--definitely immigrants or sons of immigrants! We have to outsource for our real intelligent students. We need some educaional reforms, stat. How about having kids who can count to 100 *without* using their fingers instead of putting a goddamn metal detector in every hallway???

Jenna: You got your name changed? Into what? I don't have the nerve to do it, but sometimes I feel like changing my name into a simple symbol that everyone can understand, and has great social relevance (hint--it involves one single, solitary finger. No further explanation is needed ;)

Fic Preview: Well, I shouldn't write this, cause I am the King of Procrastination, and by the time I finish my Gargoyles "masterpiece" (heh heh), it'll be sometime late next century....but I plan a "five-year arc", with an underlying theme throughout. Look for more supernatural entities than you can shake a stick out, changelings on acid, the Clan versus God (well, not *the* God. But *a* god.), and the **music plays** end of the world as we know it.....it's the end of the world as we know it....**end music**

***3 KINGS REVIEW****
I won't get into this in depth, cause I don't want to steal Doug & Kit's thunder. But I loved this film!!! The critics were right, it was an excellent movie, with some good humor, good action, and some good themes. George Clooney is a great actor (yeah, you heard me, and if you don't agree, go watch "Out of Sight", that film was one of last year's BEST movies.), and I hope that this film is the one that really lets him break through, as he's yet to have a real big hit. Good movie, I'm glad I went to it. I'd like to go see Mystery, Alaska too, but I'm a little iffy on that. It looks kinda cheesy and it's gotten either lukewarm-to-bad reviews.....but it does have Russel Crowe in it. And he's just so dreamy! ;-p
****END REVIEW***

Now & Again: Caught tonight's episode. I'm greatly confused, as I missed last week's episode, but this show looks interesting enough. Don't know what the heck was up with that egg-full-of-ebola at the end. I hope this show lasts....it's interesting, and seems to be both intelligent and well-done. And in Hollywood, that's a death sentence.

Speaking of TV, I gotta watch the "E! True Hollywood Story" this weekend. It's on Punky Brewster....who grew up to be a
super-robo-hottie! Who knew??

SOROW: One year already?! **hugz** Well, we're all glad to still have you in here, hopefully for many more years to
come!!!

The Man Show: I've watched this show a few times. It's sometimes okay. It's largely saved by the comedy of Jimmy
Kimmel, but I find the show just falls apart when that 'tard from Loveline shows up. I'm sorry to any of his fans in the CR, but who the heck told this guy he had talent??? If he didn't have Loveline, he'd be nowhere. From what I've seen from the Loveline tv show (and their radio show), all Adam does is sit there and tell dick jokes while the stiff-as-a-board Dr. Drew drones on beside him. Still, the Man Show has a couple interesting bits. The Helpful Hints with the porn stars are amusing, as are the infamous "Girls on Trampolines".

My Medieval Personality: I'm the White Knight. It says here that:
"Your distinct personality, The White Knight, might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. Don Quixote was a White Knight as was Joan of Arc, the Lone Ranger and Crusader Rabbit. As a White Knight you expect nothing in return for your good deeds. You are one of the true "Givers" of the world. You are the anonymous philanthropist who shares your wealth, your time and your life with others. To give, is its own reward and as a White Knight you seek no other. On the positive side you are merciful, sympathetic, helpful, giving and heroic. On the negative side you may be impulsively decisive, sentimental and misdirected. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today'scorporate kingdoms."
Yeah, I'm in the same category as a crazy Spaniard, a French teenager who heard the Virgin Mary and got burned at the
stake, and racist cowboy (I was tempted to use 3 other letters than "c"). Ah well, at least I'm merciful....Bwah ha ha ha!!!

Sarge: Another fine list. Personally, I'd like, for once, the subject of FASHION discussed in the Gargoyles universe.

Goliath: Elisa.....we have to talk.
Elisa: Oh?
Goliath: It's your clothes. Don't you have *anything* else in your closet? That red jacket is soooo last Tuesday.
Elisa: Oh yeah? You're one to talk, Mr. Loincloth. Who do you think you are, Tarzan, King of the Apes???

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, October 1, 1999 11:20:20 PM
IP: 207-172-44-208.s208.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Angie> Oh, lord... that's terrible. Some of these dumbasses they give licenses these days shouldn't be on the road now.

Doug> Welcome to the club, my friend. I crammed my brains out for Brit Lit - and I'm sure I blew it on the midterm. The questions were so off-the-wall... and although I read the General Prologue to the Canterbury Tales over again, I couldn't match up the pilgrim to the ONE LINE of Middle English that supposedly described him or her. And half the test points were on a question that asked how you would explain the impact on feminine consciousness, if there is any, in Beowulf. THERE IS NONE! The only thing I could pull out was the significance with Grendel's *mother* being the tougher adversary. *Sigh* I am not looking forward to getting that exam back on Monday...

Okay. I saw N&A tonight, and I've got to respond now.

**SPOILERS FOR NOW AND AGAIN: "ON THE TOWN"**

Now *THAT* was more like it!

My main nit with the pilot was that it was slow and all setup, but that was not the case here. Oh, no, no, no.

Finally, we got to see a little bit of what Michael could do in the exhibition (I really wish that part hadn't been so brief), but even then, he was still himself - checking to see if the guy he downed was okay, and the comment when opponent #3 started up the chainsaw: "Great. I'm fighting Gallagher?"

The tone in this ep was actually a bit more consistent - yeah, it still shifted back and forth a bit, but not so jarringly. I've got to go back and make some sound clips of a few lines, especially Roger's reaction to his idea that Michael's his reincarnated self, and Morris attempting to play God to a blindfolded Roger. (At which point I fell off the bed laughing.)

Seriously, though, the romantic aspects were just as well done - especially Michael "spying" on Lisa. That expression on his face when she and the lawyer stepped out of the limo was perfect. I was surprised by *how* the lawyer turned out to be a sleaze, although the fact that he was didn't really surprise me.

What I didn't expect, however, was Michael actually encountering Lisa... and that last couple of scenes were really touching. It made it pretty clear by the end of the ep why Michael no longer "wanted his death back" after seeing Lisa again.

I'm also betting there was no Green Beret who'd just had a skiing accident... something gives me the impression that Morris has been testing Michael from the beginning. Besides, that's waaay too convenient.

The pilot was promising, but this second episode was great. I'm definitely hooked. Next week looks great. :)

**END NOW AND AGAIN SPOILERS!**

Amber> We're still working on it! Dark Ages season 2 comes out before anything else, though...

Stephen> <<Talebones rejected my story, so I am off to the rat race of finding a new market again. >> I'm sorry.

Well, I'm going to work on my paper a bit... night all...
Mandolin
Friday, October 1, 1999 10:28:19 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Oh yeah , I forgot to say in my mornings post that in order to RP I need to know what exactly is going on right now. I was going to use that idea about barging into that guys room [robby , was that your suggestion?]. I forgot all the details .Sorry

night walker
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:53:48 PM
IP: proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net

Sarge-ROTFLMAO!!!!
night walker
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:47:58 PM
IP: proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net

Oh, I forgot to tell you the boy died in the hospital. I think the accident happened around 7:00 PM. I heard it on the news, flowers, balloons, and a cross with flowers on it and a large group of people and the boy's parents. It was just so awful. This was the 2nd accident in three years that happened on that road. I just hope people won't speed down that street anymore and I hope the town will build more sidewalks too.
Angie
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:35:05 PM
IP: dial124.b2.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Oh, I forgot to tell you the boy died in the hospital. I think the accident happened around 7:00 PM. I saw it on the news, flowers, balloons, and a cross with flowers on it and a large group of people and the boy's parents. It was just so awful. This was the 2nd accident in three years that happened on that road. I just hope people won't speed down that street anymore and I hope the town will build more sidewalks too.
Angie
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:34:53 PM
IP: dial124.b2.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Well, as the perfect end to a perfectly rotten week that included everything I've already mentioned as well as acid burns, regular burns, headaches, more oversleeping, more lack of sleep, and other stuff, I found out what one of my Thursday midterm grades was today... **shudder** I think I did better on the other one, but I won't know until late next week.

More stuff about The Anubis Gates> Well, I finally had time to sit down and do a big chunk of reading and I've found more garg/TGS related stuff. There are several nice time loops worthy of MIA, there is some cloning (though it's done by magical means), the main antagonist's goal seems very similar to what Harthoth (sp?) *claimed* his goal was in "For Old Times Sake" (take back Egypt for the ancient Egyptians), and there was something else, but I can't remember what it is at the moment...

shogun> <<Clerk: very well, "pika, pika-chu, cha, chu pika pika pika! pika-pi, pika-chuuuuuu!" Judge: this is worse than the infamous Hutt vs. Binks trial >> *LOL*

Pistoff> <<For some reason, every time I look at an iMac, I immediately think of the new Volkswagen Beetle. *shudders*>> The new Beetles are ugly and look like they should have a big wind-up key sticking out the top, but they're surprisingly roomy inside and pretty maneuverable (a friend has one).

Sarge> <<First Turkey, then Taiwan, now Mexico?>> I think the world is about to break in half. Why don't us garg fans take one half and let everyone else have the other?

night walker> <<So would someone who enjoyed seeing SNL's mary katheren galleger falling enjoy the film? And where do you live ? the movie doesn't come out until oct.8 here.>> If you like the sketches, you'd probably like the movie. I'm at USC in Los Angeles, and the local theater had a free preview showing. **sigh** I hope they eventually have a free preview of a *good* movie... <<cornbread-I only eat homemade and the kind from the blue box>> That stuff makes great cornmeal pancakes.

Medieval Occupation> Hmmm... It claims I'm the Benevolent Ruler type, but the description doesn't fit very well. I think I'd be more of the *Apparently* Benevolent Ruler. >: )

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:24:53 PM
IP: ppp-224-159.usc.edu

(sadly) Hi, everyone. Something utterly horrible happened last night, there was a hit and run accident about half a block away from where I live, about 25 yards down the street from my high school. The boy who was hit was 13 and he was riding his bike. I guess the driver was speeding and he had to swerve to miss some kids and ended up hitting him. I didn't find out about until I today at school. I had seen two news trucks near the school and wondered what happened because I didn't see anything. Then when I was walking home, I saw flowers and baloons by where the boy was hit. I guess the guy who hit the boy turned himself in today. That shows how stupid and careless people can be. Next time you think about speeding, think again because you can not only save your life but someone else's as well. Well, that's all I have to say. (weak smile) Bye.
Angie - [Goliathgirl5@yahoo.com]
WA, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:06:50 PM
IP: dial149.b2.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Anyone know when the third season of TGS actually starts? Thanks.
Amber
Friday, October 1, 1999 07:06:44 PM
IP: spider-ta046.proxy.aol.com

Anyone know when the third season of TGS actually starts? Thanks.
Amber
Friday, October 1, 1999 07:02:45 PM
IP: spider-ta046.proxy.aol.com

Greetings all...

Sad news: Talebones rejected my story, so I am off to the rat race of finding a new market again. :/

Maintain and check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 06:40:20 PM
IP: m83.ieway.com

Jenna> eesh... what a bummer! I know what it's like though.. I was 5 minutes late to class (there's a reg. ed teacher already in the class) a couple of weeks ago and my principal chewed on me for at least another 5 minutes. I just looked at her with a deadpan face and kept saying, "yes ma'am".."no ma'am" - which really infuriated her for not getting a reaction out of me *snickers* I just hope she takes some of her $20,000 bonus money this year and invests in some estrogen... *rolls eyes*

Lexy> Ack! Death to the phone company!! I received a $600 net bill from SWBT once - with no way of proving them wrong. I paid it and now have a different server. I would have had to been online 24/7 for about 3 weeks to have justified the amount they said I owed. *shakes head* And they wonder why they are loosing customers for their internet services.. du'h! But I am really sorry that you've been screwed like this. =(

Sarge> Pokemon... you mentioned the children being in front of the TV all day and loosing their ability to be socialable and outgoing. You are absolutely correct! The parents are the ones who have allowed this to happen. I do commmend Pokemon for addressing this concern with making the games interactive and therefore encouraging the kids to associate with others. *smiles*

The lawsuit? *shakes head* the parents have refused to accept responsibility once again and it's easier to blame others and scream lawsuit than it is to admit that they were jerks in allowing their children to spend that kind of money on cards. The parents become more involved in the frenzy thus creating the attitude of "must have" certain cards. It was the same with Cabbage Patch dolls, Beanie Babies, etc. You saw the parents pushing and clawing each other to get to them, not the kids. O.o

Green Baron> *low growl* School administration... those that sit in their ivory towers and have never step foot in the classroom and are quick to tell those who have spent YEARS of their lives teaching, should be shot at one minute past midnight. They make decisions to buy educational programs based on the best salesperson for the company... I have yet to meet any teacher that was asked her/his opinion of a program.
Private -vs- public in operational costs.. well, the private school can get away with refusing services that the public schools cannot. Usually what parents demand, we have to provide. You would be horrified if you knew the number of lawsuits pending against any given school district. We had one a couple of years ago because the parents wanted Horticultural Therapy for their 4 yr old child who was in our Early Childhood class. I had never even heard of it before! The child was in EC because of a minor speech impediment... *blinks* Thank goodness, they lost that lawsuit, but there are plenty more in waiting. I had a dad tell me once that since his daughter had CP, the school was going to provide every thing so that he didn't have to pay for anything. Some people are always searching for others to take responsibility for their own.
ack! got off on a rant.. sorry! and it's only the first 6 weeks of school!! *falls over*

Pistoff> O.O hehehehe

I called the cable company and they say that I *should* be able to receive Disney Toon channel by the end of the year! YESSS!!
Jannie
Friday, October 1, 1999 06:15:20 PM
IP: 196-101.c.esc4.net

Wheeeee Hi all...jes' checkin' in.......

::presses on Stormy's Airvee link::

Connection Timed out

::Growls and presses again::

Connection timed out

Oh never mind, I'll check it out later.....

I'm just checking in and checking out. I'm at my dad's church. We are having a Chicken Pot Pie dinner. They always make it scrumpsous (Is that correct?)

How about a Top ten? Hmmmm I need an idea.....

Top ten Things you wouldn't expect to hear on Gargoyles

10: Goliath- Elisa? How do you get your hair to stay like that I comb this rag for hours and nothing happens!

9: Goliath- hey elisa! big wings, big tail, big hands, big feet.........

8: Diane maza- (talking to some friends) you see marcie, milk keeps my son's coat shiny...I mean...uhhh...strong

7: Brooklyn- Elisa, you do realize that by the time Goliath is getting grey hair, you might as well be dead?

6: Demona- You know I think I've done enough evil today

5: Broadway- Oh no thank you...I'm watching my diet

4: Demona: That is it! I can't take this anymore Riker! Errr......Xanatoos..

Xanatoos: It's okay troy...I mean...Demona...UGH! Data can you come and....Awww man I did it again!

3: Bronx- Meow......

2: Owen- Alex why can't you sleep? oh very well......ahem.....jiggggly Puff! Jiggly Puf Puff Puff...Jiggggg..

1: Matt- Elisa...there is something I need to tell you...I'm a woman......

Sarge
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 05:41:25 PM
IP: spider-wc072.proxy.aol.com

aaron- thanks-- Hugs right back at you. I feel a little bit better now. Will post longer tonight...took Christine's test- came out as dreamer- Minstrel-- pretty much on the mark...
jenna
Friday, October 1, 1999 05:19:55 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

I took the kingdomality test and ranked "discoverer"
The Discoverer, might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. Your overriding goal is to go where no one else has ever gone before. Regardless of the number of available natural problems to be solved, it is not unusual for you to continually challenge yourself with new situations or obstacles that you have created. You are an insatiable explorer of people, places, things and ideas. You thrive on constant change and anything new or different. On the positive side, you can be creatively rational as well as open minded and just. On the negative side, you might be an impractical and indecisive procrastinator. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms.

and now, a few more scenes from the Poketrial
"If the defendant does not refrain from such outburst I will hold it in contempt!"
"you heard the judge, take your eyes of your tongue and put them back in your face"
"haunter?"

"this doesn't look good, well time to use our ace in the hole"
"DNA EVIDENCE I CHOOSE YOU!"

shogun raptor
Friday, October 1, 1999 04:58:26 PM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

Jenna> That really sucks. Sorry you're having a bad day. (Hugz)

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 04:51:39 PM
IP: ppp-68.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Enters cr quietly- well, will make bigger comment later-- right now, I'm too upset to talk very much--

first off, Doug- thanks your little comment has been the one bright part in my day :) Thanks again-

Pist off- didn't get your em- please send it again, okay-

Okay- why am I upset. Had to go to ssn office to get my name changed--- told my boss yesterday, and he said it was okay, the waiting took way longer than I thought, and I didn't have access to a phone. Like a 4 hour wait or something- come to work and am told I do that again- and I'm fired. Reegardless that it was not my fault..

So needless to say, I'm very upset- I can hardly talk right now.>>>>

Will post later when I feel a bit better...
jenna
Friday, October 1, 1999 04:02:58 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

I dunno about this Kingdomality thing. It says I'm a merchant.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 03:03:09 PM
IP: ppp-151.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

I'm very stressed out now, and posting usually helps relieve it, so...:)

**FIRST A LITTLE RP**

Tricia enters the meeting room again, a smiling Gubio following her. "You look happy," Doug observes. "Of course I'm happy," the hacker smiles. "Just e-mailed my girlfriend Erin. Tyl may have trashed her server earlier, but now she's finally back online!" "That's great," Kit grins. "Uh, we have a computer problem here you might want to look at, though." She explains what's going on with the Phalanx and points to where Agent Rho is working on getting communications restored. Gubio runs over and enters a few commands of his own, and soon an image of the assimilated area replaces the static on screen. "Hmm," Doug says as he looks over it. "It looks like Wilek and his team just blasted their way into the Sphinx while the Dalek and Borg from the station are fighting the Phalanx outside. We may best be able to help them by clearing out the Pyramids, it looks like they've been assimilated and are full of Phalanx drones." "I'll give you some special equipment to reverse the assimilation," Rho says. "Just place one of the charge crystal at the top of each pyramid, activate them, and they'll do their work." "Hmm, three pyramids," Kit frowns. "That could take a while." "Erin could help us do it," Gubio says. "She's been wanting to join up with us for a while anyway. I could have her meet us at the site, she lives in Turkey and that's real close." "Um, she doesn't have any parents keeping her at home, does she, Gubio?" Jammer asks. "No," he grins, "she moved out on her own a while back. And don't worry about her fighting abilities either, her family's got a long tradition of being trained warriors. Erin's kept it up." Doug grimaces. "If she wants to help us, Gubio, and understands the breadth and danger of this situation, your girlfriend is welcome to come in. But I seriously doubt she can reach us in time." "You're underestimating her." "Maybe," Kit chuckles, turning back to Rho. "Get a shuttle ready to take us down there. Make sure it has some of those special rejuvenation chambers so we can rest up on the way." The Avatar's captain nods and transmits his orders to the dock personnel.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi everyone. <sighs> Just got through with the test, it was awful. I went in knowing what I wanted to put down, but I ended up getting so harried by the ticking clock that I only was able to write the most concise statements, especially on the big essay portion that counted for 70%. <sighs> I have a feeling I'm not going to do too well, simply because I ran out of time. Oh well, this has happened before, and I guess I can deal with it. This test is only 15% of our final grade, hopefully with the other midterm, the paper, and the final exam that determine the rest I can somehow make up for it. Or maybe concise and not very detailed statements will be enough. I doubt it, but you never know. It's over, and I guess all I can really do now is pray.

Christine: Thanks for the Medieval jobs link. I just took the test there and got "Benevolent Ruler- Your distinct personality, The Benevolent Ruler might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. You are the idealistic social dreamer. Your overriding goal is to solve the people problems of your world. You are a social reformer who wants everyone to be happy in a world that you can visualize.
You are exceptionally perceptive about the woes and needs of humankind. You often have the understanding and skill to readily conceive and implement the solutions to your perceptions. On the positive side, you are creatively persuasive, charismatic and ideologically concerned. On the negative side, you may be unrealistically sentimental, scattered and impulsive, as well as deviously manipulative.
Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms." It states my personality pretty well, too bad I probably won't end up like Xanatos or some other modern practitoner of the ruler's craft (I also don't want to be president). Maybe I can carry it out somehow through writing or police work, the only two modern jobs I find interesting enough to want.

Thanks to those who have posted info on their upcoming fanfics. I'm glad I was for once able to inspire a topic of conversation in the room. Looking forward to reading all the various works, especially Jenna's and Coyote's (still awaiting a new episode of WCC).

Nightwalker: Good luck to you and your girlfriend. About your decision to get a Taurus over a sports car, I would probably do the same thing if given an identical choice. I don't like sports cars much, think they're overrated in many ways. I would prefer a van or a Hummer over one of them any day. A Taurus, Lincoln Town Car, or Buick Roadmaster would also be great vehicles to have. Or even better- a helicopter. :) I'll probably eventually end up with a van.

Married With Children: <nods> I miss that show too. The series finale was excellent. Still remember its many great episodes. My faves were the one where they went to Hell, the one where the dog died, a couple of the Bud-and-Kelly at college ones, the one where Peg's father took Al bear-hunting, and the episode where Al turned No Ma'am into a church. Also liked most eps with Griff and Geri. <sighs> TV comedy has never been the same since MWC went off the air.

SJ: I agree with you about Snoops, I don't plan to be watching that show again in the weeks ahead. Good points about the Practice's season opener, thanks for telling me some things I didn't know (and may still not want to, since reading your post coupled with the episode nearly made me want to throw up).

Jackal, Batya: Sorry I didn't say this earlier- Welcome back!

Christine: re e-mail withdrawal- I know all about that. The only e-mails I've been getting lately are junk, spam, and messages from my mother. No feedback, no info from friends, nothing really interesting to me at all. <sighs> Hope this will change after I put up Law Enforcement next week (if it's done).

SOROW: Happy anniversary. (Kit and I had our second year one of those a week ago, btw, sorry I forgot to mention it in here.) I too support you for the position of CR spanker, hope I never do anything to arouse your wrath. :)

Shogun: Great Pokemon lawsuit creativity demons. I wonder if any of the attorneys might also piss off a Pokemon witness (like Bulbasaur or Charazard) and get hurt. That would be nice to see. <grin>

Playboy: I check that magazine out sometimes too. The articles are often interesting, as Spike said. The women are also occasionally nice to look at, despite their often too-obvious surgical augmentations. IMO completely natural beauty like Kit's outdoes them all. :)

Mandi: Don't worry, we will be reviewing Three Kings. Kit will probably post it tomorrow. Our newspaper critics liked it, and they're usually right about movies they give more than three stars, so it should be good. :)

Kaioto: $ It's okay, I can understand that the RP is sometimes confusing. Don't worry, I will continue to tell you when you screw up. :) $ Thanks for the info on Magic cards.

David G: Looking forward to the upcoming Freelance eps, thanks for posting data on them. I especially want to see your "St. George and the Dragon" story, hope it doesn't take too long to come out. <grins>

Coyote: Sorry you're sick, I pray you soon feel better.

That seems to be all for now. I'll get on to my next class (one more before Friday freedom!). Later, all.

**MORE RP**

The Ravens assemble in the shuttle docking bay, most of them looking a little tired but still ready to fight with spells and weapons prepared. "Would it be alright if I remained behind on this one?" Orion asks Doug as they are getting on board the ship. "I'm still exhausted from all I did in our last big fight." "We all are," Doug replies. "That's why I had Rho make sure there were rejuvenation units on board our transportation. They'll get rid of our fatigue right off." "I hope we can get sleep after using them," Kit says. "They're good devices, but they can't permanently replace the need for rest." "Let's make this fast then," suggests Lathrop. Everyone nods in agreement and then boards the waiting shuttle. They then get into the special chambers and let them begin their rejuvenation cycles as the shuttle begins its trip to Earth.

Meanwhile, in a small cluttered apartment in the city of Istanbul, a Turkish girl in her late twenties recieves Gubio's e-mail about the Phalanx and for a moment ponders whether she should go to help him and his friends. "I better," Erin Bey eventually decides. "I've been wanting to meet them anyway. And it's my duty as a member of the Desert Night Society to every so often save the world." Quickly she slips on a blue chador over a suit of Kevlar armor, adjusting the headscarf to cover her sunset-colored (dyed of course) hair, then grabs a scimitar and Kalashnikov rifle before running out of the apartment to a waiting Humvee. Picking up the car phone as she starts it, Erin dials the number of an old friend. "M.I.? It's Erin. There's a bad situation going on in your homeland." She gives a few details about the Phalanx. "Want to meet me there and help take care of this? Great, see you in a few." Erin then smiles and pulls out of her parking space, bound for Giza at high speed. At the same time in an apartment in Cairo, a living gold statue also hangs up a phone and begins to get ready to make a similar trip.

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, October 1, 1999 02:01:04 PM
IP: fac-b-a8.lib.utexas.edu

**enters the room hacking and coughing, switching out the candles and quickly delivering a nut-shot to Sli Sludge.**

I'll have more later after I get back from my doctor's appointment (had to call in sick to work because I could *almost* breathe!!), but I just wanted to toss this 'un up.

Christine: Neato quiz. I came up as a "Benevolent Ruler."

More later, and also an explanation of my color and the page linked to my name. **hack, sneeze**

**fixates briefly before a sneezing fit shoots him out of the room**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 1, 1999 01:04:51 PM
IP: modem76.i-is.com

Gotta be quick. I'm on lunch break now, and I want to have time to actually eat lunch. Radical, I know. I'm an original thinker :)

Cool link. I love those things. I came up with White Knight. Accurate enough, I suppose. Here's my fanfic preview:

Freelance series preview
First of all, I want to provide some background on my series, so the rest of this makes sense. Freelance is a series about James Conroy, a former Interpol agent who now works as a security consultant, investigator, and bodyguard. The stories take place in the same world as the Gargoyles Saga, but concern different characters. I wanted to explore parts of the world that the TGS staff weren't doing much with, and to illustrate the impact of TGS events on people who weren't directly involved.

Next Episode: the long awaited "Hot Lead and Coldsteel." James is hired by Halcyon Renyard to investigate an abberant Cyberbiotics facility, and falls into the middle of the Cold Trio's conflict.

Near Future: a trilogy of episodes guest staring Demona and possibly Macbeth. The working titles are "Devil with a Blue Dress," "Black Magic Woman," and "Missionary Man."

After that, the series takes a more mystical turn. Brigit's parentage, and James' connection with the Seelie Court will be revealed. (You didn't know James was connected to the Seelie court? Well, He still doesn't, but he's going to find out...)

By the time my continuity catches up to TGS Season 2, James will be up against a threat rising up in the shadow of the Unseelie, one the Gargoyles and their allies are unaware of, and don't have the resources to fight. (Just a hint, I really like the St. George and the Dragon part of the Faerie Queen...)

In upcoming stories I'd like to have James meet the inhabitants of the Labrynth, and to tangle with Sevarius (who has to do SOMETHING besides work for Xanatos, Nightstone, and Maddox. It seems like he's always getting stiffed for his pay, and those gene cylinders don't come cheap)

I don't have any plans yet for TGS Season 3, since I don't know what the staff has in mind. (That's the big problem with writing an unathourized spin-off)

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 12:58:55 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Thank you for that link christine , I'm a minstel.
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 1, 1999 12:53:09 PM
IP: cacheflow-301.public.rwc.webtv.net

$Doug$: Mea culpa! I got disoriented in the last few posts. For some reason I thought I was still with Shap since he�d been putting me back together for a while. I read back again and realized that I�m with the other Cleric in your party in the next room. I�m sorry about that. No, I�m not offended. I screwed up. When I screw up, you can tell me that I screwed up. : )

Pissy: <<Besides, I've seen stuff done in here that's just about as bad �>> OK, then likely I wasn�t thinking what you were thinking, so nevermind me. <<Just be glad you didn't see what I was planning for DC, after all the times he screwed around with me today.... ;) >> Oh, I don�t mind it when you rip apart DC and the other immortal characters in the CR. *shrugs* I actually find it quite amusing.

Firestorm: Ah � actually, they are glass. ;) No, the thing about the beads are that they are used as counters. Loose change works just as well but it isn�t as flashy. They are for keeping track of stuff that isn�t represented on the printed text of a card, such as if one card turns another card a different color for the rest of the game, you mark the changed card with a counter to remind everyone it is now red. : )

T.J. Veil: Actually, there is a show called "The Man Show" With Jimmy Kimball (sp) from "Win Ben Stein�s Money" which is also on Comedy Centeral, and that Adam guy from "Love Line" on MTV. "The X Show" is on FX and is very similar from what I hear. Of course, I only pick up comercials. We don�t get Comedy Center or FX out in the dorms.

Hm � A Dreamer-Minstral, that seems to be where I am bound. Ah well, there are worst things in life, and in MIS I can even get away with it. ;) Actually, when I went through the tes again in "Practical Marty Mode" I turned out as a Black Knight ... hm ... makes me think ...

Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 12:35:06 PM
IP: 141.133.119.169

Hey all. Just a few replies right now . We're not doing anything today so I'll have time later.

Creativity demon-Thanx all who helped define this , I get it. Aren't most crossover stories creativity demons? Well , if they're just wierd little ideas that grow theneveryone of my stories is one.

Greg's birthday card-I hope he got my message , I wrote mine on the one cristine put a link to.

P.T. conferences-**sigh** , mom's a little upset because of my grades [which aren't bad , but they could be better] . Actually I don't know how she feels , last night she kept talking about it and so far today she hasn't mentioned it once.Well , at least I got off of school at 9:15 today.HA HA!

Zath-So would someone who enjoyed seeing SNL's mary katheren galleger falling enjoy the film? And where do you live ? the movie doesn't come out until oct.8 here.

Mambo#5-What in the world , this song is already annoying , but I heard it on the way to school at 7:00, and again at 9:20, I hate this song.

N'stink and the backstreet girls-I agree with whoever said this [sorry , I forgot], but bands like the backstreet boys , n'sync, the spice girls , and five better feel pretty dang lucky for their fame. Bjork had her first CD out 20 years ago [at age 11] and has been doing music in general since she was 5. And she doesn't have nearly the amount of sucess and popuality that these planned bands have.

Sorrow-Oh , I get it, lol. Just for the record , my birthday is july 25.he he.

cornbread-I only eat homemade and the kind from the blue box , uh jiffy I think.

Mellisa Joan Hart-I applaud her , she's just doing what she want's, and they can't kick her off for that.

Robby-Oh I get it, So I'll have to treat him with more respect, I just thought he was one of us non-administrators.
Who did he get mad at....oh , never mind , one of my other personalities is looking at me funny.

Coyote-thanx , I should take this less seriously.take my time . I'll get it.

Kitania-Thank you for yer kind words, I hope it lasts.As I've never had a girlfriend before.

TJ veil-No , I meant the Man Show, I never watch FX. It's on comedy central . It's hosted by Adam carrola from loveline and Jimmy Kimmel from win ben steins money.Plus Cindy crawford has a little skit she does every once in a while , and they have Household Tips from Adult Film Stars.

Taurus-Do any of you think that I'm crazy to choose the Taurus ove a sportscar [which is actually chris's car] . I've already chosen a lisence plate . WTCRATC . Can anybody guess what that means?

I'll see you guys later. bye now.

night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Friday, October 1, 1999 12:24:34 PM
IP: cacheflow-301.public.rwc.webtv.net

I hate links...this one's right.
Stormy - [<--No, HERE it is]
Friday, October 1, 1999 12:19:30 PM
IP: pc19.huron.uwo.ca

Christine: Thanks for the link...

...so...guess what? I'm the Prime Minister of the Kingdom...*fanfic characters roll their eyes and set Monster Magnet's song POWERTRIP playing on the CD player* Yeah, sounds like me....

Here's the link to my MGC tribute to Garth Ennis

Stormy - [<--Hey, I already had a HITMAN and a PREACHER of my own...]
Friday, October 1, 1999 12:18:28 PM
IP: pc19.huron.uwo.ca

Fun link -- take the career aptitude test to see what job you'd be best suited for in the Middle Ages! Clickie or go to http://www.cmi-lmi.com/kingdomality.html

I got "Black Knight," and it's one of the most uncannily apt personailty test results I've ever gotten ... "Your overriding goal is to win ... analytically empathic and logically persuasive ... unemotionally manipulative, arrogant, selfish, and impulsive."

As I said to Crzy, "It's me to a T! Hiss, put it on my luggage!"

Self-publishing > the hardest part about doing that (besides coming up with the money) would be dealing with the cover art ... I know too many great artists! How to choose? Worse, how to choose without stirring up bad feelings?

We put up the Halloween stuff yesterday, and the costume & display store near us (we buy some more every year) had a jointed cardboard castle 4 feet tall, plus cardstock gargoyles! So they have joined our decorations, along with the skeletons, pirates, witches, ghosts, window silhouettes, and other fun stuff. I love Halloween!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, October 1, 1999 11:31:45 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Well, I saw what I believe is the most recent Gamera movie last night. All I can say is, damn but I wish Joel and the Bots were still around.

SJ> Ah, the male rights of passage. First cigarettes, first porno, first beer, first conract hit... Um, forget I said that.

Wilek> Well, you seem to at least have a framework for your stuff. I have one ep nearly finished, two more in need of revision, and then the rest are mostly images. Then there's the stuff from forty years in the future...

Sarge> I think the Pikachu bug is cute. I'm probably going to see it tomorrow.

Stormy> Dang, I wish I could draw. I've always wanted to show what I think Pikachu will evolve into from staying a pikachu so long after he should've become a Raiachu. Aaron conjures image of Pikachu wearing a little blue and white outfit and a conical hat. He is.. Raidenchu!

And for more Pikachu weirdness, ask Wilek for the link to Darth Pikachu.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 11:05:22 AM
IP: ppp-209.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Hmmm...while I still read the CR a lot, I don't post here as often as I used to...can't wait to give comments on the new Dark Ages.

Spike: "hitman with a conscience" Hmmm...sounds interesting...must remember to check those (books, are they?) out....

Pokemon: This show exists to drive Dylan P. Blacquiere insane, and much as he'd love to hate it, he can't help but start to appreciate it ever since I hooked him on anime. Needless to say, in order to torture him I had to invent a Pokemon worse than anything on the TV show...

Click my name to see what happens when you mix Pokemon with the Air Cadet Gliding Program....

(BTW--who in here is a Garth Ennis fan? I couldn't help but take him as inspiration for my MGC entry...)
Stormy - [<--The fourth evolution of Eevee...]
Friday, October 1, 1999 10:39:22 AM
IP: pc19.huron.uwo.ca

Just found out I'm not the only one with an N&A page out there (I thought I was obsessed, but apparently not as much as some... scary, huh?) Since I've given up on attempting to cram for my Brit Lit exam - no matter how much I try to focus on it, I can't retain anything from "Beowulf" in my brain - a short post.

Lexy> The check will be in the mail this weekend, now that my account woes have been straightened out. Now I can safely write a check and I know it won't bounce. :)

Doug and Kit> Please do review "Three Kings;" that's one of the few flicks I'm tempted to go to the crappy theater here for. (Tonight I'm going to a free viewing of Hitchcock's "Psycho," though.) And of course, I'll also supply an N&A review of my own. :) If the previews prove true, I had a Gargs/N&A vig idea... but I'd have to see "On the Town" first.

Pistoff> Sorry you had such a lousy day. Sounds like it was hell.

Seth Green leaving BtVS> Oh, man, I heard about this from EW Online... and I'm so disappointed. I really, really like Oz's character, and Oz/Willow have always been my fave couple on that show. If Seth Green's getting enough offers to confidently leave BtVS for a movie deal, more power to him - but we'll still miss Oz. Darn it.

It's 10:30... I probably should attempt to reread "The Franklin's Tale" since I *know* there's going to be an essay question on that one...
Mandolin
Friday, October 1, 1999 10:35:19 AM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Today marks a very special day because exactly one year ago I made my very first post in this room and made friends that I place all my trust and love with. Thank you for all the memories and I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!
SOROW
Friday, October 1, 1999 10:09:50 AM
IP: dll2b111-01.splitrock.net

A good thing about Playboy:

Great fiction!! Strange but true. I've discovered authors that I wouldn't have normally read through Playboy. Lawrence Bloch has a fabulous series of stories that feature a hitman with a conscience and Brendan Dubois is another terrific writer with a dark sense of humor. They also sponsor a yearly College short story contest with a nice cash prize. That's nothing to sneeze at!

The pictures are useful for art references but after a while you go, "Oh, phooey. Another blonde." and go on reading the articles.
Spike
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:54:32 AM
IP: pppt05-246.ght.iadfw.net

Kaioto: $ Uh, I hope I'm not offending you by asking this- but could you please try to keep your RPs in continuity with the rest of ours? We weren't even in your room at the end of the last bit, let alone splitting the party to go to hell and Egypt. (We'll be getting the business in Egypt done first before we even consider a trip down below.) Don't worry, Kit and I will probably work parts of your post in somehow. It's just that we'd appreciate it if you'd make your RP installments with our characters and what they're doing in mind as well as what yours are. Thanks. $

Lone Ranger: The "Kemosabe" joke comes from a Far Side cartoon. And a good one at that. :) Another Lone Ranger secret- "Tonto" is Spanish for "stupid and foolish." Perhaps the Lone Ranger's friend knew this, so he traded insult for insult. Who knows? :)

Thanks to everyone who's wished me luck on the test. I'm going to go take it now. Later!
Doug
Friday, October 1, 1999 09:08:56 AM
IP: pool-207-205-150-209.dlls.grid.net

Hi all!!

Lexy:I really hope this bad situation works itself out for the better*hugs*

Onions:I love onions especially fried(good on just about anything)

Aaron:JackaL, or anybody else who has The Fragile> Is that a cover of Black Sabbath's "Into the void"?>>I've never listened to any of Black Sabbath's music before so I'll just put up the lyrics for NIN's Into the Void(I hope it helps)

********************************************************

Into the Void

Tried to save myself but myself keeps slipping away

Talking to myself all the way to the station
pictures in my head of the final destination

All lined up
(All the ones that aren't allowed to stay)
Tried to save myself but myself keeps slipping away

Tried to save a place from the cuts and the scratches
Tried to overcome the complications and the catches
nothing ever grows and the sun doesn't shine all day
Tried to save myself but myself keeps slipping away

Tried to save myself but myself keeps slipping away

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Pistoff re joyride:*LOL*Twisted>:)

Pistoff again:I bought a deck of Gargoyles poker cards at Fred Meyer...for $1.99. :)>>Dang I gotta' get some of them:)

Wilek:<sigh> It seems like all the kewl stuff gets delayed or dropped. First the B5 game and now this. :/>>Ugh!,tell me about it,remember "Into the Shadows"

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Friday, October 1, 1999 08:16:01 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Pistoff-<Getting an iMac, eh? *g* For some reason, every time I look at an iMac, I immediately
think of the new Volkswagen Beetle. *shudders* ;) > I get that reaction too....but don't worry, I don't want a beetle. I want an Accord.....

Speaking of Beetles I saw this picture of a yellow beetle that was dresses up like Pikachu! YEACH......

Nintendo: I wouldn't mind paying a couple hundred more for a backtrack system. Maybe they will make it a seperate adapter? You know....something you could add on to the counsole......

Fan-Pic: I finally got Brookyn's ears down pat, so I don't have that problem anymore.

Mexico City Earthquake: First Turkey, then Taiwan, now Mexico? At least the numbers aren't going up as fast as the last two. Let's pray that it doesn't trigger the fault in San Fransico!

Pokemon card: Nice lawsuit. I have about 400 cards. I've spent way over a hundred. I have enough cards to sell that would get me past a hundred. (I have a place in Vermont that sells them for 3.15...a lot cheaper than what most stores sells them for. That is why they won't win. It isn't the pokemon industry that jacks the price up, because they only cost 3.15....it's the stores like KB and other places that jacks the price up because of rent)

Ophra Winfrey: She's a professor at a college now? Man she does everything.....

Warren: Vote Warren! Why?!? I don't know!

Sarge. The sane choice.
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, Vt, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 07:43:58 AM
IP: 209.198.65.194

Fanfic preview: I finally came up with a name for my series of stories: Stormrider. It'll actually make sense after I get a couple more out too. Anyway, the second story, titled 'Scattered Shards' deals with the reactions that various inhabitants of Manhattan have after the Quarrymen attack. It includes most of the (surviving) characters who are in manhattan, as well as the reactions of the media and the people.

Also, I would highly recomend that you all pick up the new comic series 'Rising Star' from the publisher Top Cow. The premise of the series is that a comet struck earth, somehow gifting all children in utero in the area with super abilities. I know this sounds like an old premise, but in the hands of writer J. Michael Straczynski it is not. So far there have been two issues, and no superpowered battles. It has been about the lives of the 'specials' and how the world is affected by their presence. It makes for an excellent read.

night walker: <<It is the most sexist, ignorant, and just plain stupid show on t.v. right now. And it's so funny.>> I think the show to which you are referring is actually 'The X Show' on FX network. And I'd have to agree with you on all counts. I tend to watch it alot, as there's not much good on at that time here.

Skippy: I think someone may already have touched on this, but several years back Richard Garfield or WotC (or both, can't remember off the top of my head) tried to pattent the entire CCG shebang. What they got a patent on was the idea of 'tapping' (rotating) a card to signify the use of a resource. So any game that involves this owes royalties to WotC. However, not all the games do. For example, Decipher (the second largest CCG producer behind WotC) currently has three CCG's out: Star Trek, Star Wars and Young Jedi (based on Episode 1) and are in production of a fourth based on the Austin Powers movies. None of the three currently available involve 'tapping' so Decipher has to pay no royalties to anyone.

Tolien: How I originally intended my comment on LotR to be taken is apparently not how it was taken. What I meant was that the average reader could probably look at it and see Christian parallels if they wanted too, just as someone reading Narnia could see Christian parallels. What the author intended has no meaning if the reader isn't aware of it. Many of the themes in the Narnia series (the hero reborn, the skeptic, the final confrontation between good and evil) have been used in fiction for years. The difference is that readers are often aware that Lewis intentionally is referring to the Bible, while Tolkien is not. Without knowledge of either authors intent of the books, it would be just as easy to call LotR biblical as it is to call Narnia biblical.

Toku: <> I thought that was my job. Well, since I didn't post one yesterday I suppose I'll let it go this time. ;-)

Lexy: Good luck with your problems. I hope that you can find some way out of it without selling your stuff. I know how much I would hate to sell some of the things I have but don't really need.

SJ: Normally I would say that I hate to see Seth leave the show, but since nobody will be carrying the WB around here this season, I can't say that it matters that much to me. Besides, I never really Willow and Oz would work out together, it just seems too un-Joss like to give any character a lasting good romantic relationship.

Firestorm: I think there are two reasons the gameboy has stuck around and the Sega one hasn't. The first is that Nintendo offers more support for the gameboy, first with the Super Gameboy which let you play your gameboy games on the SNES, the gameboy pocket, which was smaller and more portable, and now with the color gameboy, whereas Sega hasn't changed their's at all. Also, the Sega handheld drained batteries like you wouldn't believe. If I remember right it took about 4 hours to completely use 4 batteries, whereas the Gameboy lasted from 15-20 hours (can't remember for certain.)

Thought for the day:
"I would feel infinitely more comfortable in your presence if you would agree to treat gravity as a law, rather than one of a number of suggested options."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Friday, October 1, 1999 04:41:14 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

FS> <<When are they going to come out with a REAL upgrade to the Gameboy?>> Probably next year (clicky). ^_^
Wilek
Friday, October 1, 1999 03:43:42 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Christine: Thanks for the Magic info. I have no idea what all that means, but thanks anyway! (BTW... I DID buy the Magic The Gathering PC game a few years ago. Never really took a look at it, though.)

Toku Kaioto: YOW. WAY too much information. Ok, heres a question: Whats with the bag of gems I always see Magic players carying around?

Green Baron: Well, I am glad that you have thought about it and you are sure on your decision.

Fanfic Previews: Well, I won't preview mine, but I will say that I have 9 <blinks> (WOAH. Didn't think I had THAT many written!) stories that are pretty much done. I just need to wait a few weeks before LM has time to proof them.

Sarge: Well, in the iMac VS PC debate, I have always found that the Mac fans are hard-core, not a single thing you can say will make them change their mind, kind of people.
Personally, I am a PC fan mainly because I wouldn't buy a prebuilt machine except for parts. I like the ability to build my own system. THAT, and there are more programs that I like for a PC.
Just my opinion.
Console Industry: Yes, they are outdating thier older equiptment almost as fast as the PC world, but at least with the console world, you KNOW when you absolutely need to replace your system. No upgrading here. (And no, I didn't forget about SEGA's upgrade systems. It's just that they arn't the industry standard.)

Gameboy: When are they going to come out with a REAL upgrade to the Gameboy? Personally, I REALLY liked the Genesis version. Wish I bought one when I had the chance. MUCH better than my Gameboy. Could get a TV tuner for the Genesis one too. Will they ever make one for Gameboy Color?

Onions: For me, Onion rolls are the BEST thing to happen to hamburgers!

SJ: <You can see more risque material on the average Saturday night on Cinemax!>
Definately. Heffs stuff is probally the tamest adult mag on the market. Same poses, little "spreading," etc. without getting into detail. I almost see risque stuff on network television!

Coyote: <Spend a week on the Isle of Lesbos.>
<Gasp> Are you saying that Xena is gay? Who would have guessed? <G>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, October 1, 1999 02:32:42 AM
IP: 216.90.45.175

**RP!**

[Somewhere in Hell, above a grey stone labythinth, the ancient crystal demon Leviathan calls out to Pinhead, its chief follower. If its telepathic communication could have been rendered into words, it would have read something like, ~My servant, the Five have arisen. They bring chaos to our order, both in Hell and in the world of mortals. Go there, and find the mortals known as the Black Ravens, some of whom even now plan to enter the Outer Darkness to bring about the end of our mutual foes, and tell them of our war.~ Pinhead replies, "Master, we can only enter the mortal coil if someone on that side opens a LeMarchand Box." Leviathan: ~An apostle of Hell on the mortal side will attend to that. Prepare.~]

**PAUSE RP!**

Matt Dymond> <> Thanks. :)

Zath> <<Thanks muchly>> You're quite welcome. >;D

Xanathar> <> <sigh> It seems like all the kewl stuff gets delayed or dropped. First the B5 game and now this. :/

Aaron> <<My future stuff is probably more nebulous and tentative the Wileks, so...>> <L> I didn't realize that was even possible! ;)

Jackal and SOROW> You two are such an incredibly cute couple. <G>

Jackal> <<But I will wait for you until the sun dies! The really sad thing is I can't determine if that's a nice thing, or sick thing to say....>> It's nice, believe me (at least in this context). :)

Ironwolf> <<TSR was claiming to have invented and thus owned: elves dwarves hobbits orcs goblins thieves( we like adventures or acquirereres)paladins rangers dragons i think yall get the idea.>> <stunned horror> What?! I hope that moronic lawsuit was thrown out; it's almost as bad as the Pokemon suit. Eesh.

Cornbread> Can't stand it.

Coyote> Did you get my reply to your e-mail? My mail program is being weird again. >:/

Sarge> <<However the game of Pokemon can only be won if you go out and "link up" with another friend>> Which is one reason I didn't buy it; even if there was anyone else around here with a Game Boy and Pokemon, I wouldn't bother finding them. (I'm the kind of person who would upload his mind to the Internet given half a chance. <G>)

Peter> <<Just a correction. The main clock speed for the PS2 is 300MHz, not 350MHz.>> Ah. Thanks. :)

Lexy> <<Wilek- You, I like.>> <bows> Glad to be of service. <G> As for selling anything...ugh, I hate to see anyone being driven to that. That should be an action of absolute last resort if at all possible. Maybe we should start another fund? Or who knows, this could be grounds for a class action lawsuit against AltaVista; surely they've bilked others like this.

Shogun Raptor> Trial scene> ROTFL! :D

Robby> $<<No RP tonight, I'm trying to figure out whats going on...>> Basically, several of the teams are headed to the Phalanx's assimilated Sphinx in Egypt in order to get them off our planet and rescue Dr. Sevarius. No idea what the other bad guys are up to though...$ Oh and I got your e-mail. I'll reply as soon as I know my mail program will send it. <strangles Mr. Disconnect with his own spinal cord>

SJ> <<Kick Bell right in the seat of their pants!>> Heh...all things considered, I think I'd rather turn them around first. MUHAHAHAH.

Kitania> <<Doug and I have our first round of tests coming up shortly. His first big one is tomorrow, in fact. Everyone wish him luck, he may possibly need it. :)>> Sure thing. Good luck, both of you (better early than never)! :) <<kemosabe- old Apache word for "horse's rear end">> <remembers the Lone Ranger and falls over laughing>

Pistoff> $Joyride> <stunned silence, then ROTFLs>$ <<One of the cops was interviewed, and he said, "We're not used to seeing this kind of quality here in Pendleton. This looked like some GOOD bud.">> :O There are no words...

Kaioto> <<Pistoff: *shrugs* *Shakes his head* Are you QUITE, alright, my friend?>> <G> If any of us were 'alright'...would we be *here*? <laughs maniacally> Besides, 'alright' is BORING. :D

**RESUME RP!**

[In Egypt, the team finally makes it to the Sphinx, where SJ blasts down the front door with his assault rifle and leads the way to the monument's interior. Phalanx battle drones attack at every opportunity, but our heroes typically mow them down before they can fire a shot. Following close behind, the Avatar's Borg troops storm into the landmark, assimilating drones and machinery as they go. Soon, they make it to the sector that the Phalanx have set aside for developing new assimilation weaponry. SJ: "This is where they're keeping my dad, I'm sure of it!" Jake: "Looks like we're about done here..." No sooner does he speak than an enormous scorpionlike Phalanx warmech stalk into the corridor and open fire, the team barely dodging in time...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Friday, October 1, 1999 02:22:42 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Kaioto: No, I'm NOT alright. I haven't been "alright" in quite a while. Today was just worse than usual, is all. Sometimes I just have to get it out of my system. That's probably all that keeps me from flipping out IRL. *shrugs* Besides, I've seen stuff done in here that's just about as bad, things involving chainsaws and other torture devices, (and a whole lot more graphic and descriptive than this was) and nobody got upset about it. But I guess this is my week for being singled out. *shrugs again* Whatever. Just be glad you didn't see what I was planning for DC, after all the times he screwed around with me today.... ;)
Pissy
Friday, October 1, 1999 02:10:45 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com

**RP HERE**
The Seeker, Toku Kaioto, looked up with grim shadows in his gray eyes as he glanced about the technological marvel that was the space station. His mind, usually delighted in such creations, had no time for such pleasant thoughts. He cleared his throat and rose to speak.
"There is an impasse, then. What good is saving the world if only to deliver it into the hands of Asmodeus or letting it slip down into the Abyss ? In the other respect, what good is it to defeat the Unholy if Phalanx reduces everyone on this planet into mindless, soul-less drones? Both threats must be addressed, and quickly, lest life as we know it on this planet come to an end."
The gravity of the Seeker's words sink in at the assembled crowd grimly.
"We have to decide who goes to the Outer Realms to deal with the Devils and Demons, and who stays to fight the Phalanx," he concludes, stating the obvious, but forcing the issue out to the immediate attention of the floor.
The group gradually draws its lines in the proverbial sand, until only Kaioto, having returned to his seat and staring at the floor, is the only person undeclared.
**Pause RP**

I don't have anything against onions personally, guys. I just don't like the taste, and was making a point about something with an analogy. :)

Pistoff: *shrugs* *Shakes his head* Are you QUITE, alright, my friend? Ah � I REALLY hope that wasn't what I thought it was � this is a PG comment room � implied or not � I mean, torturing fictional immortal cartoonish figures is one thing �

Lexy: *hugs* You always brighten up my this place, my love. :)

Robby: You think so? � It does have a bit of cadence, don't it?

Shogun: *ROTFLMAO* I'd love to see that addressed. All in all though, I hope they don't call Richard Garfield, creator of Magic: The Gathering. The man has an affinity for pastel greens and oranges on the same outfit. :)

JackaL: Hey, it is good to see you back and posting. :)

**Continue RP**
Shap looks over at him, "You're coming with us, right? We'll need men of God to pass Hell's gate, and you have experience with these things."
The Seeker looks up sadly and shakes his head. "I have to remain here. You're invasion will hopefully force Hell and the Abyss to recall their escaped forces back beyond the Veil," he stood up and regarded Doug, Kitainia, and all the others volunteering for duty on the Lower Realms. "If you are defeated, not only will the forces of darkness be able to continue their interference and raiding; but they will use your traversal and death energies to solidify their breaches in the Veil," he breathed heavily. "They will be able to stage much more effective invasions."
"However," he said, not letting the air stay silent enough to fill with dread, "There is a chance to turn this against them. I can seal breaches and banish demons with a limited range of effect, however, a precipitous swing between the forces of good and evil against the barrier could let me heal a much larger amount of the damage caused by these demons and devils. Should you defeat your foes, I can seal their passages, forcing them to try and create new ones again, effectively crippling their avenue of invasion. It'll take at least a century to punch these many holes in the Veil again.
"On the other hand, if you are losing," dark static lightening danced over his knuckles as he clenched his fist, "I can use your intrusion into Hell as a level against the Darkness, and force it back long enough to seal the Veil." He took another breath and unclenched his fist, "There is only one problem: I'll sever all your Silver Threads." A mixture of horror and blankness crossed the faces of the assembled. "You're souls will be cut from this realm, and your physical presence in this world will be eliminated. You will be irrevocably dead."
He sighed again and looked at the floor, "And I must do so with or without your consent. I have no choice."
**End RP**

Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, October 1, 1999 01:25:23 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Ack! I knew I was forgetting something. Here's a bit of news from the west coast...a few days ago, there was a 70+ car pile-up on I-84. In one of the cars, the cops found 150 pounds of marijuana, valued at about $500,000. One of the cops was interviewed, and he said, "We're not used to seeing this kind of quality here in Pendleton. This looked like some GOOD bud." :)
Pissy
Friday, October 1, 1999 01:13:54 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com

Ack, what a week! Once again I find myself way behind in replies and comments. I'll do my best to catch up, but if I miss anybody, I apologize in advance.

Well, first things first...

Joyriders: Sorry I've been slacking, but now I'm back...with a vengeance. :)

**JOYRIDE!**
This one's a double-whammy, folks. The Stagecoach bit is for me, and the coach's passenger is done as a favor to a dear friend of mine. Let the ride begin...

The Joyriders look around, frowning, as they hear the sound of...horses?

"What the hell's that?" Jack says.

Just then, the Wells Fargo stagecoach thunders by. Pistoff glares at it for a moment, then something in his mind snaps. He howls like a wild animal and chases the coach...on foot...and catches up with it!

"What the...?" Wilek blinks as he watches Pistoff give the coach's driver such a savage pounding that a doctor will have to do a DNA test to identify what's left of him.

"Oh, he's just working out a little frustration," Jack says. "His bank screwed him today. He had an overdraw of $1.34. He deposited some money the same day to cover it, but they hit him with a $25 charge anyway--and they waited a whole week before they told him about it. So he's a little upset."

Pistoff grabs the reins and steers the coach back to where the rest of the Joyriders are standing. He detaches the horses and sends them on their way. "The stagecoach ain't gonna need 'em anymore." He opens the door and looks inside...and slowly grins. "Well, hello, Oracle. I've got a bone to pick with you." He reaches out for her and she screams....

The others look on in varying stages of horror and disgust as Oracle's screams grow louder and louder.

"Oh...my god." Warpmind looks away. "What's gotten into him?!"

Jack shrugs. "Well, remember, he hasn't been laid in eight years."

Wilek blinks. "I know, but...well...DANG!"

"Isn't that a little...extreme?" Xanathar says, grimacing.

Jack merely raises an eyebrow. "I guess it finally got to him and he went sideways on us."

"On Oracle, you mean."

"That, too." Jack raises the other eyebrow as Pistoff's actions draw his full attention. "Yikes. That's kinda disgusting, even for *me.*"

Wilek's jaw drops. "Dear god...he's...he's...ACK!" He turns away and leans against Cthulhu. "What did she do to deserve that?"

"She was talkin' $h!t about a good friend of his. He's teaching her a lesson."

The rest of them continue to watch in horrified fascination...Pistoff eventually finishes what he's doing with a long, drawn-out scream. "Haaaaaaallllllleeeeeellllluuuuujjjjjaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!"

Warpmind shudders. "Uggh!"

Jack cups his hands around his mouth and shouts, "I know you created me, Pissy...but you're NOT getting in my car until you wash that blood...and other fluids...off!"

The rest of them get back in the car and wait....

**JOYRIDE OVER FOR NOW**

Okay...now, on to replies...

Jenna: Yup, got your email. Sent ya one, too. :)

Sarge: Getting an iMac, eh? *g* For some reason, every time I look at an iMac, I immediately think of the new Volkswagen Beetle. *shudders* ;)

SJ: Sorry about your car troubles. That's one subject that most of us can identify with. Like the old Volkswagen Dasher I used to have...quite often went into first gear when I tried to put it in reverse. That created a lot of interesting situations. ;)

Ironwolf: That TSR lawsuit...interesting, very interesting. Reminds me of the time Autodesk, Inc. tried to copyright the word "cyberspace." William Gibson and his attorney put an end to that. As Gibson said, "I heard about it and gave them my opinion." ;) MUAHAHAHAHA!

Christine: Ack! Sorry about your computer troubles. I can relate to that, too. :( I hope you can get it fixed soon.

Coyote: Happy Birthday! Sorry I'm late, but I haven't been in here for a while... :(

Lexy: Welcome back!!! Sorry about the phone-bill problem. That's why I never even considered using a "free" service provider or one of the national ones like AOL. Just paying a local one $20 a month is a far better deal. I hope you can get it straightened out soon. :)

Pokemon lawsuit: Ye gods. These people never learn....

And while I'm on the topic, why would anybody pay so much for cards?? I guess I just don't "get it," since I'm on minimum wage and have to make every nickel count. As far as cards go, a couple years ago I bought a deck of Gargoyles poker cards at Fred Meyer...for $1.99. :)

Deuce: Sorry I vanished when we were talking on ICQ the other night. It booted me off, and wouldn't let me on. And it did it to me again today. Over and over. When I finally got online, it wouldn't let me send messages or receive chat requests from Denis. I'm really fed up with ICQ. Grrr....

Zath and Doug: Good luck with your tests! :)

In fic news, in addition to the latest G2K story, I've been working on a story/novelette to be sent to a magazine. It's a sequal to "War Toys," the one I sent to Asimov's a couple weeks ago. This one's called "Flavor of the Month," and I'm taking some potshots at the media and paparazzi and so on. I've done 38 pages so far, and it's showing no signs of slowing down... *g* And I've also done one called "Vacuum Riders," which I sent to Christine for Avalon Mists. :)

**POSSIBLE GARGOYLES 2K SPOILERS**
As far as fic previews go...I can't really give away any of the surprises...but I can say that sooner or later I need to get around to showing how Vinnie and Sora got together. It'll probably involve a fight between Vinnie and Yama...but I doubt Mr. Carter will be used in it. ;) The storyline will probably be a mini-series that begins in 1996, when Vinnie first arrives in Japan. As I see it now, it'll be a limited number of episodes. Background info, really, but it should be fun. Maybe it'll get the reaction I've been expecting ever since I posted "Remember Tomorrow." (i.e.: "Sora...with Vinnie?!?! Are you outta your mind?!?!" *chuckles*

**GARGS 2K SPOILERS OVER**

Well, that's about all that the lump of silly putty that passes for my brain can come up with, for now. If I missed anybody, just let me know. :) And now I'll leave you with another meaningful quote... :)

"Achieving success in Hollywood is like climbing an enormous mountain of cow flop so that you can pluck one perfect rose from the top, and you find after you've made that hideous ascent that you've lost the sense of smell." ---Charles Beaumont
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Friday, October 1, 1999 12:45:42 AM
IP: wire-7.koalas.com

Forgot two things:

$ Atilla's line in the beginning RP should have read- "That _man_ must be insane. I have seen Tukingenese crones that look better than his _women_ do." Sorry for the mistake. $

Onions: I enjoy eating them too. The tears they sometimes bring to my eyes are bothersome, as is the smell onions give my breath. But otherwise, I think they're delicious. :)
Kitainia
Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:49:47 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-243.dlls.grid.net

**RP BEGINS NOW**

Shogun's teammate Abel throws the war mech that was fighting them into the mountain on which the Area 51-A complex rests, destroying all its remaining buildings as the machine's ammo and fuel explode. Green Baron, Atilla the Hun, and the Schoolgirl Scouts (who were thankfully safely out of the area) kill off Kincaid's remaing agents and then watch as Shogun's team takes off. "I wonder where they're going," says Green Baron. "Maybe we can catch up with them and find out," suggests Ave Maria. "It looks like there's nothing else to do here." Suddenly a book flies out of nowhere and hits her in the back of the head, knocking the Schoolgirl Scout leader down. The other Scouts, along with GB and Atilla the Hun, spin around to face the one who threw it as she gets back up. They see four chubby horse-faced women dressed in felt and looking ready to fight. "Greetings," the women's leader says. "I am Moni-Ka, leader of the Shadow Brides of Darth Clinton." "And I'm one of Darth Clinton's apprentices," says a tall black man in a white suit and hat holding a lightsaber-cane. "Darth Vernon-Jordan. Our master has ordered us to kill the apprentices of Obi-One Bob. These are Moni-ka and mine's lovely associates- Kathleen, Paula, and Gennifer." The other three women do several karate moves as their names are said. Atilla raises an eyebrow and looks at Green Baron. "These women must be insane. I have seen Tukingenese crones who look better than they do!" "An insult!" Moni-Ka shouts. "Fool! Now you shall face our unbridled wrath!" She and the other three women pull lightsaber-lipsticks out of their purses as Green Baron and his associates prepare to fight. (Please continue this if you want to, GB!)

Meanwhile, on the Avatar of Ganon, Agent Rho has just finished telling the Ravens where Wilek and the others have gone and why. "Just great," Kitainia says. "We barely escape from the enemy's prison complex, kill a whole bunch of them, and now the Phalanx are making trouble again." "Yeah," Doug sighs. "This better be the last time. We need to make a decision, people. Do we go after Wilek and try to give him some help? I'm sure he'd appreciate it." Most of the others nod. "Uh, Doug," Shap dissents, "we may have another problem. Remember that demon back in Area 51-A who used to be Pastor John?" "What about it?" Kitainia asks, turning to listen to the paladin's words.

**PAUSE RP TILL POST'S END**

Hi there. Everyone having a good week? Hope so. Doug and I have our first round of tests coming up shortly. His first big one is tomorrow, in fact. Everyone wish him luck, he may possibly need it. :) And we hope you'll do it again next week, when more of his tests and all of mine roll around. <sighs>

**SPOILERS FOR ACTION**

Action had its third ep tonight, and my favorite so far. It had great character development on just about everybody, a nice plot, and many wonderful jokes. I particularly enjoyed the dead goat bits ("The truth is- I have run out of goats.") and Sandra Bullock's appearance. I'm really worried about Adam, though I can sympathize with the reasons for his condition (and thank God that Doug has never had it so bad!), hope they pick up the thread next week. The gay actor subplot was also entertaining, Jay Mohr had some very well-written dialogue related to it (and as the movie Go proves, he can do a great job at playing a "gay" role!). I kinda have mixed feelings about this plot point coming up in the next episode, though. On the one hand I would be very entertained by seeing Peter Dragon getting himself in trouble with the things he did in this ep (great character development opportunity). But I definitely do not want to see them treat it like what happened to the main characters of movies like In and Out and Three to Tango. I think films like those do more to inspire gay prejudice than the Christian Right could ever hope to accomplish. Their jokes aren't very funny either IMO.

**ACTION SPOILERS END**

Looking forward to finding out what Micheal tells Roger in tomorrow night's Now and Again, it will probably be something very original. <grin> Also looking forward to the same night's Conan O'Brien, which will feature Mr. Excellent Actor and Hunk (IMO) Kevin Spacey. :) (Speaking of whom, I read an interview with Spacey in today's paper. His response to the rumors that he's gay- "I've actually come to appreciate those rumors. They've recently made a lot of women try seducing me since they want to be the one who brings me around. I let them." Smart man, isn't he? :)

SJ: Good luck with your website, hope it's not too long before you can show the finished product to all your friends in here. :) Thanks for the Jack of All Trades info, I look forward to checking it out despite the lack of originality to its plot.
Re: Oz leaving Buffy- This is upsetting to me, Oz was always my favorite male character on B:tVS since he first appeared. <sighs> Guess I'll have to be content with Spike, Xander, Giles, and whoever Buffy's new love interest will be.

Blue: Ack, glad you got over the illness you mentioned. Good luck with your schoolwork, as people have already said. And please tell your Demon of Procastination to get its twin away from me!

Jaden: <nods> I'm like that with colds too.

Skippy: <grins> Thanks for the Bob Larson info, you made me laugh. Definitely check out the Harry Potter books if you get the chance. I'm buying the entire set as they come and saving them for my children. :)

Batya: Welcome back and thanks for the beautiful and excellently written TGS poem. BTW, are you ever planning to resume your archetype posts? I was really interested in them. (You were up to Shadow, if you're wondering.) Hope you can get back to them soon.

Nightwalker: Congrats to you and Angela. May your love last for a long and wonderful time. On the Chris issue, I agree that he is moving a little fast. I'd stay cautious but keep enjoying the benefits of what he's giving you, and not worry about him too much. Though I agree your feelings may come true. :(

Christine: Sorry to hear about the computer crash, hope your problems are fixed soon. Also hope that you can somehow get the rest of your books published. I've been going mad waiting to find out what happens with Arien, Cat, and the rest of the CotSB crew. I also want to read the Black Roses novel. And the damn agents and publishers have to keep being such idiots! <sighs> If I were you, I would definitely publish the novels by Sabledrake Publications, and tell the jerks who rejected you to shove it. We'd make sure you got what's important to you. :)

Delphi: Thanks for the info about the historical results of accomodating kemosabes (kemosabe- old Apache word for "horse's rear end"), you too made me smile when I read the CR tonight.

Stephen: Thanks for letting us know TGS is on track. I look forward to the upcoming Dark Ages eps.

Green Baron: Doug and I would like your economics professor too. Having to do all these graphs stinks! The philosophical part of economics is more relevant to our lives, and they have to make us do math instead. <growls> Oh well, at least one of us is getting taught economics the right way. $ Hope you don't mind me doing the above bit with your characters in the RP. $

Coyote: <moment of silence for Tiger Stadium> May I add to that a moment of silence for the Astrodome as well? No more baseball games will be played in it after this season's over, only three (maybe two now) games are left. <sighs> The spectacles in that place will be greatly missed, and I honestly believe that losing the Dome as their home base is the reason for the Astros' recent poor preformance when they've been doing so well the rest of the season. <shakes head, sniffs> Why did they have to kick both our baseball teams out of the places in which they belong?

Welcome back Fleur!!! Hope you'll be sticking around, $ and jumping back into the RP. $

Pokemon Lawsuit: SJ, Kaioto, Doug, Robby, Lexy, and Shogun have already given my opinion on this latest insult to the American courts. (Thanks to Shogun for the laughs.) May Hasbro's lawyers kick serious a-dolt mental-case parent bootie! <grin>

Thanks to everyone who's posted their lists of upcoming fanfics. I hope to read many of them (will definitely be checking out Coyote's, Jenna's, Wilek's, Christine's, and of course Doug's).

Happy Belated Birthdays to Coyote, Greg, and whoever else I've missed.

Lexy: Thanks for stopping by, glad that bill hasn't totally killed your Internet service. Good luck eventually getting it paid off. You're welcome. :)

And I suppose that's all for tonight. Doug and I will be back Saturday with a review of Kevin Spacey's skit on Conan, the new Now and Again ep, (possibly) the new Batman Beyond and Beast Wars episodes, and the new George Clooney movie Three Kings. Until then! <waves>

**MORE RP**

"That Pastor John demon wasn't the only bad demon around, guys," Tom says. "They left me at the motel in Akron when they grabbed all of you, remember?" "Oh yeah," Jammer nods. "We still need to pick up a couple of our vehicles from that place." "No need," Rho says. "I had them beamed up here." "Oh," Kit smiles. "Thanks." "No problem." "Anyway," Tom jumps in, "getting back to the demons, there were two more of them that attacked me in my room shortly after Tau left with all of you in tow. That Seeker Kaioto came and saved me from them. You're not going to believe this, but the demons used to be Jerry and Bishop Galante. I think someone is taking the souls of our dead enemies, imbuing them with demonic essence, and putting them back on Earth to challenge us again. We need to stop these people." "You're right, Tom," says Shap. "Pastor John told me and Shauna that five lords of the underworld have gotten together and are doing just what you said. They're also supplying Thailog with his weapons. One of them is Gothmenes, our old friend." "Just great," sighs Doug. "Looks like we're going to have to shut down his arms business. Who are the other demon lords, Shap?" "One of them is the pit fiend who was Pastor John's wife of course," the paladin replies. "Then there were three I haven't heard of- Valerian of the Githyanki, Cromwell of the hordlings, and Deavik of the yugoloths." "Yugoloths?" Keith asks. "That guy must have been the one who sent those monsters after Dumlao-X." Kit nods. "We have to take them down. I guess our next destination is Hell."

"Hold on," Janice interjects, "should we not first help your friend Wilek defeat the Phalanx? I remember when they assimilated and destroyed the Dark Star, we can't let them do the same to Earth!" "You'll be staying around to help us then?" Doug asks her. She nods. "Of course." Janice then glances at Agent Rho. "Provided you'll let me join your agency. I don't exactly have any more of a future left in the FBI." "We'd be happy to have you with us," Rho smiles. "There is a training period involved of course, but you can begin it after the Phalanx have been destroyed." "Speaking of the Phalanx," says Kitainia, "can you show us some recon on the area they're occupying? If we're going down there to help Wilek, we'll need to know what we're up against." "Certainly," Rho replies. "The Administrator has a satellite in place over the area in which our forces now fight." He flicks on a nearby monitor and grimaces as nothing but static appears. "It appears the Phalanx are scrambling communications. They must have picked up on Wilek's last call for help and activated this. Let me see if I can get around it." Doug turns to Tricia as Rho starts tapping keys. "Go call Gubio in here. Rho may need his help." The psychic nods and runs off.

**END THIS SEGMENT OF RP**
Kitainia
Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:44:58 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-243.dlls.grid.net

Buffy correction> the actor's name is Seth Green. Scott was the name of his character in the Austin Powers movies (other AP news Verne Troyner aka Mini Me has a recurring role on UPN's Shast McNasty series)
Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:48:21 PM
IP: uv1-49.ultravision.net

Not much to say tonight...

Buffy Fans: In case you haven't heard, Oz is leaving the show...perhaps indefinitely. Scott Green is leaving the show midseason to work on a movie, and the departure could be....well, quite lengthy. As it stands, look for only about half as much Oz as you'd usually get.

Lexy: I'd hate to have to see you have to sell your stuff to get some cash. You could try Ebay, though. Usually anime sells pretty well there...but like I said, it really would be sad to see you have to depart from your prized collection. I hope you find another method to pay without having to resort to that. Perhaps we could all create a "help pay Lexy's phone bill" fund? Kick Bell right in the seat of their pants!

Coyote: Hey, don't feel so embarassed over buying Playboy. One of the great rites of passages for young men is the ability to purchase pornography legally. Besides, at this point, ol' Heff's the tame guy on the block. You can see more risque material on the average Saturday night on Cinemax! ;P
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:42:01 PM
IP: 207-172-33-118.s118.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

**enters the room, switching out the candles. Kicks DC in the butt before sitting down in the big chair**

That's for making Geocities so damned busy that I can't set up my Grey Day page. Grrr ...

Let's see what's going on around this den of insanity ... :)

SOROW: I officially second GB's nomination of you as Official CR Spanker. :)

Night Walker: You're young, kid ... you'll get it in time. ;)

Onions: And what the hell's wrong with an onion every once in a while? I can't stand eating anything without flavor ... onions definitely add *that.* Besides, you have to find the right ones ... from what I understand vidalia onions have such a light flavor to them that you can eat them almost like apples.

Jaden: Thankee. :)

Fire Storm: Fortunately the neanderthal man *learned* from his bad experience ... even though it did give him a case of the industrial-strength sniffles, he wore a jacket the next day. :)

"The Black Orchid": Seems like there's a hyperpowerful card like this in *every* CCG ... one that it seems like nothing can turn it around (two I can think of in particular: in the ST:TNG CCG it was The Borg (wipes out players on a regular basis unless destroyed, and that was not bloody likely), and in INWO it would probably have to be ... hmm ... Comet Hail-Bob! (destroys a group just Automatically Taken Over ... play Cthulhu and load your deck with nothing but Comet Hal-Bob! and you win in three turns.).

Fire Storm again, re: "Playboy": I *am* willing to admit that I have bought exactly *ONE* issue of the magazine, and that was for my ex because *she* wanted an article (IIRC it was a "20 Questions" interview with Lucy Lawless ... I read it, as well, and the best response she gave was to the last question:
"Q: What would Xena do on a vacation?
A: Spend a week on the Isle of Lesbos.")

Lexy: Like I said earlier to yer man, I'm fully supporting you guys because you two are the *last* ones I'd ever wish the situation me and Ravyn are in upon. **hugs**

Shogun: Nice CD on the Pokemon lawsuit. Then again, I can also picture it degenerating into a Pokemon match between WotC and the suers. :)

And on that note ... I suppose I should go somewhere and nurse this blasted cold ...

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating fully on the candle's flame and nursing his cold.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:17:24 PM
IP: modem66.i-is.com

29 DAYS UNTIL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE!

One mentorship page down, three to go... And then this Saturday I'm seeing the broadway version of Beauty and the Beast... This weekend is shaping up to be much better than the last...

Pokemon cards lawsuit- **Rolls eyes** Idiots. I have a complete set of cards myself, (Not counting those rare holographic chase cards) and I got them by buying a completed set for 15 bucks. Geez... (Okay, I splurged three bucks on a holographic Mewtwo... But hey, I actually play, so its not like I'm just buying the cards for their own sake...) But personally, I'm really glad these Pokemon cards are doing so well, because Pokemon is revitalizing the comic book and cartoon market, and allowing anime to become more mainstream. Yes, its towards little kids, but you have to develop a liking of comics and animation when you're young. Once you're older, its harder to convert. (ALthough I think a few people in my Creative Writing class were converted when I played some clips from Akira, Vampire Hunter D, Slayers, and Fist of the Northstar as part of a project...)

Nightwalker- Deuce is indeed the other CR Co-Administrator, but some time back he got really ticked off at someone, cursed, and put himself in self-exile. So for a couple of months I was the only ropom admin. Now that he's back, he's reinstated since I can't handle the technical stuff...

Mellissa Joan Heart- Um, they really *can't* pull her off Sabrina. If they do, the show with die a quick and much deserved death... Look at the show Step by Step. Once they pulled Cody off the series, the show died slowly, but it died. granted, the guy beat his wife and was thrown in jail, but still... And Wings also lacked once Loel left... Most of the time, you can't drop an important cast member after the first three seasons without hurting or killing the show. I mean, look at what happened to Beauty and the Beast once Linda Hamilton left...

Onions- Hate the things. In fact,t here's an old Doctor Demento-ish song where the entire lyrics basicllly go "Onions onions la la la... Onions onions la la la..." Only songs worse are tiptoe through the tulips, and the sound of the worm song...

Fic previews- Well at the moment I still haven't exactly released much of my original stuff, and what I'm working on now is TGS related, so I've got nothing to share on this subject...

Gregh Weisman's birthday card- Hmm, the message I left on it doesn't seem to have been left... Dang.

Toku- Thanks for the card clarification stuff... "THings are only worth what people believe they are worth when it comes to matters financial"... Hmm, with a bit of editing that sounds like it could fit into a filk of "Model of a modern major general"... Hmmm...

No RP tonight, I'm trying to figure out whats going on...
Robby
Thursday, September 30, 1999 09:48:06 PM
IP: spider-wa063.proxy.aol.com

*begin RP*
Shogun, Fenrir, Abel and Doc Congo are facing off against Blackwing who has taken Flypside hostage in their vehicle, suddenly, their vehicle transforms into a huge mecha, Doc begins to launch grenades at the thing but they only bounce off and Flyp's screams of pain are heard
"I wouldn't do that Monkey, every attack you launch at me, your dear little flypside feels the pain of, now all you can do is sit back and die!....AUUUGH!"
Suddenly, a hole is cut in the mecha's torso and Flypside is hurled out, three voices are heard over the commlink
"Kabu!"
"magna!"
"Triform"
moments later, three odd-looking pokemon jump from the hole, one looks like a machamp wearing the exoskeleton of a kabutops, with the upper two arms of the Machamp being kabutops claws, the second one is a strange green color and posesses the features of a Jolteon, Flareon and Vaporeon, the final and oddest one looks like a scyther with half a magnemite 0grafted on to either shoulder and a third one on it's head
Abel turns to the others
"you remember my bodyguards, Kabuchamp, Triformeon and Magnascythe, better known as the cerberus force,former experiments of mine"
the others shrug
"very clever, concealing your pets in my vehicle, but rest assured, this is not over! I've set this thing to self-destruct and any attempt to stop it will detonate it!" yells blackwing
with that the head and chest of the mechanoid detach from the body and fly away
Abel gestures and the remaining body of the mechanoid levitates off the ground and flies against a mountain, exploding
Shogun is dumbstruck
"How?"
"the cerberus force aren't the only pokefusions here, I'll explain later"
"Shogun!" yells Flypside "I just heard from the ravens, they're headed for egypt, something about the Phalanx"
"What?"
"Blackwing was wiretapping them"
"then that's where he's headed!"
Doc Congo shuddered before he signalled the Original Sin for emergency pick-up, in a matter of moments, their ship landed and the seven were on their way to Egypt
*end RP*

Pokemon Lawsuit> Yeesh! I can just see it
WoTC lawyer: Your honor, I would like to introduce my surprise character witnesses
judge:very well counselor, you may do so
Witness one: prepare for trouble
Witness two: make it doublr
W1:To protect the world from devatation
W2:To unite all people within our nation
*later on*
Judge:Clerk, would you please read back the witness testimony
Clerk: very well, "pika, pika-chu, cha, chu pika pika pika!
pika-pi, pika-chuuuuuu!"
Judge: this is worse than the infamous Hutt vs. Binks trial

A moment of silence for the two celebrities who passed on

Yogi> talk about self-mockery
Xyber-9> I saw an ad for the toys, they pronounced the queen's name tie-tainia *shudder*
Ronin warriors> this show is the coolest thing on toonami short of DBZ and Reboot season 3, now all they need is Transformers or some other great 80's action toons, or early 90's, or just any really good anime
speaking of RW, I saw some action figures for the show they had on sale, I would've gotten some but all they had was Sage, and they all had overall LOUSY likenesses that and the spring joints supposedly make posing near impossible
shogun raptor
Thursday, September 30, 1999 08:56:13 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

Lexy>I am sooo sorry that happened to you! *BIG HUGGLES* I hope things work out and get better soon!

Mary Flanders
Thursday, September 30, 1999 08:45:24 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*walks in and hugs ppl's* *kisses her love*
*is using a friends comp*

well, As you have all pretty wall summed up for yourselves..yes..this DOSE indeed suck. That was my money for starting this semester of college..I guess..now I probably wont get to go. It hurts a lot. I feel so stupid. *hugs her love* I do have Kaioto and my mom, but I wish I could just do this on my own. I STILL say *gives kai a look* that he should save for hotel fair since my mom wont let him stay with us..*sighs* or let me go see him, rather then blow it on a silly bill cuz of my folly.

Wilek- You, I like.

Pokemon Lawsuit- Pathetic! Parents need to take responsibility into their own hands and tell lil Timmy and Susie that they can have ONE pack a week MABEY and only if they clean their rooms and study NOT sue a stupid corperation. Give me a break.

ALL YOU ANIME FANS- ok..as much as I DO NOT ever want to sell my stuff..I..I dont know what else to do..I cant get another job..cuz I am underage. I _need_ the money..so sadly..im at my wits end..there are some things I just _wont_ part with. But..I have a lot of items which I take good care of. Cards, posters, wall scrolls, figures, post cards, comics..tapes and shirts too..*L* but I dont think anyone would buy them! *L* anyway..I collect stuff that is mostly from Dragonball. But I also have pokemon, NeonGenisis, Ranama, Your under arrest, Ah, My Goddess and some randoms...
So if you, or someone you know is interested in seeing what I got go for it ok?

*dosnt know anything else* ..umm well OH YA as far as Robby and Heather I KNOW some of you havent payed yet! *L* kai! cherry!! *g* its No biggy cuz i know I have been off and on due to problems..SO here is my addy again ok?

izzolexington3@yahoo.com

thanks;)

Thanks to all who are there for me and Kaioto!

Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 08:14:13 PM
IP: abd04578.ipt.aol.com

And the hard drive cable was re-connected for the third time, and this time, when the case was put on, the stupid user was careful not to pull it loose again...
And there was great rejoicing.

OK, I had to get that out of my system.
This is the first official post from my new place, and my new phone line.
Unfortunately, I don't really have anything to say. There seems to be a trend rising for Fanfic writers to provide previews. I'll have to think about that. At the very least, that would make me actually write down my plans for the series, instead of just storing them in my head.

Maybe later. For now, my supper is about to burn. See y'all later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 08:01:04 PM
IP: pppa27-fortworth7-1r234.saturn.bbn.com

Green Baron> I know better than to be getting into the Northern Ireland debate. Begorrah ...
Pogo
Thursday, September 30, 1999 07:49:09 PM
IP: fwnt.dw.dorseylaw.com

Sarge> The next Nintendo system will not be backwards compatible with the N64 for several reasons.
1. The N64 uses cartridges as a format while the Dolphin will use a DVD-ROM.
2. The internal structure of the two systems are totally different.
3. Backwards compatibility is not worth the cost of adding it in this case.
Also, gaming consoles have always gone obselete every 4-6 years, from the Atari 2600 to the NES to the SNES and Genesis. The only exception seems to be the Gameboy. Don't worry though, the N64 has another 2-3 years left in it.

Wilek> Just a correction. The main clock speed for the PS2 is 300MHz, not 350MHz.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Thursday, September 30, 1999 07:13:16 PM
IP: border1.cariboo.bc.ca

Green Baron: Thanks for the feedback, glad you enjoyed Protected Species. As for Father Greene, he may or may not be doing what you suggested eventually. I know he won't be leading any KoC groups in "Sword of Prejudice" (Father Sanders is more involved with the local KofC anyway). Maybe in a later appearance, SofP will hardly be the first appearance the Sword of God makes. If you're wondering, I don't have many plans for Father Greene right now. I do plan to give him one scene with Charlie in "Comatose" and play a somewhat important role in "Vampire Plague," but those won't be out for a while. He'll be around in "Night of the Symbiotes" too. :)

Have to get back to work on Law Enforcement, later.
Doug
Thursday, September 30, 1999 06:48:04 PM
IP: pool-207-205-148-126.dlls.grid.net

Bayta: Thanks for understanding. :)

Oh, that quote is mine. I just put it in quotes because ... well, *shrugs* It seemed like a nice thought for the day ...
Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 06:32:43 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

I'm back. Missed me?

Nintendo: If it doesn't come out with a way to backtrack with games then I won't buy it. I'm perfectly happy with the ol' N64 and I am not wasting my money on something totally new which would probably go out of stock AGAIN in five more years. I've been noticing that the games counsoles are mimicing the computer industry. They are creating machines that go out of style within four to six years.

Pokemon- I am not even getting into the lawsuit. I am hoping that Pokemon wins. I will like to bring attention to something else about Pokemon. If you noticed, most games requiered the child to sit home and stare at the Tv, and with the growth of the interent and frequent hours on TV kids are becoming more drawn to the virtal world instead of the reality world. We can't stop technology though.
But that doesn't deny the fact that kids are losing their ability to be outgoing, and socially developed. However the game of Pokemon can only be won if you go out and "link up" with another friend, and the cards are easily tradeable. Here we have something that gets kids together, and help them keep their social life instead of a Virtual Life.
We need more games LIKE Pokemon that can only be won when you link up small gameboys together(linking them up across the interent doesn't count). These games let children be aware of the Virtual world, and be more aware of the reality world.
But that still doesn't stop the problem. It gives kids more 'reality' but not enough. So while I urge games like Pokemon to proceed, I also encourage more events and programs at school and rules in the family about the TV and internet, especially for the young years of a child's life.

Computers: I've been trying to buy a computer and I noticed how stupid the world is, including the game counsole world. The motto of the computer industry is..."Don't trust anyone"....I have talked from person to person, all saying things that contradict eachother, and all of them being wrong!
I still don't know why there are people that fight the war of "Windows" vs. "Macintosh". Why do you need to care about getting the ultimate computer when it probably be out of date the second you buy it? I'm getting an iMac. It isn't the world's leading producer, it will eventually not be the fastest, and it may seem weird.....but it writes, it scans, it prints, and it has the interent. That is all I need and I don't need anything else to ruin my life!

Sarge. Not Surge. Sarge.
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 06:19:50 PM
IP: spider-tq071.proxy.aol.com

Toku Kaioto> Semantics, yes. It's a stumbling block that's brought down greater folk than we. :) Like my old debate teacher used to tell us: first, _define your terms_.
And that quote ("Man has justified his actions in the name of religion" etc.) is wonderful. Can you tell me the source? because I'd like to use it again.

Fic previews: Everyone seems to be doing them, but I make it a rule not to announce in advance any story that's less than half done, or whose ending I don't actually know. But I will tell you all (if you're interested) that I'm working on a Buffy fanfic or two....

Green Baron> Pillsbury? Tchah. Give me my dad's homemade southern cornbread any day. :)

Firestorm> I believe Constance is still collecting other people's essays about creativity demons. Send her yours! :)

Gotta run, got a date with an essay workshop....
Batya the Toon
Thursday, September 30, 1999 06:01:02 PM
IP: s15h063.lab.qc.edu

RP WARNING!!!
**The Reno beast is now apporaching Obi One Bob and OJ Simpson. OJ takes out a gun and aims it at the Reno beast, only to be corrected by Obi One.
"Don't shoot it. You'll only make it mad. You have to outsmart.....Bob Dole knows this script. I'm ripping off Blazing Saddles here."
"Well, let's think of something fast. It feels like it's a 120 out in this sun."
"It can't be more than 114."
The beast keeps climbing, until it reaches the top. Now, the 15' monster grabs OJ and begins squeezing.
"You may be trouble for Bill in the future. I think I can end that now." She keeps squeezing, until OJ appears to be dead. Then she rips him apart and starts eating him. Once she has had her OJ, she focuses her gaze on Obi One Bob.
"You'll be sorry, Reno."
"Shut up! I won't be cautioned by the likes of you..."
A knife comes right out of her belly as OJ cuts free from Janet Reno.
"And you think she looks bad on the outside. Well, no more Janet. I guess I should return to finding the real killer."**
END RP!!

Well, that was quite pointless, but the Star Wars reference just had to be done :)

Aris> I am amazed at how well you know your Tolkien, but I pity the poor guy who says something wrong about him :)

Fire Storm> <<So you are definately not going to become a priest?>> No, I'm afraid not. I realized I wantd to be one for the wrong reasons, but I still feel guilty about taking a different route. Hopefully, I'll have soem sons becoem priests.

Kaioto> Sometimes an act of martyrdom can inspire a thousand lives. Other times, it is not appropriate.

Batya> We love you too :)

Pogo> As soemoen who feels strongly about Northern Ireland, I'd say Green is better than Orange anyday :)

Nightwalker> Well, with SOROW as CR spanker, it's not a disciplanary procedure. More of a great birthday treatment for the guys here :)

A sportscar? My preference is a green Saturn, not that I have a liscence yet, or could afford to drive in Uptown New Orleans. I would agree that it is innapropriate for Chris to move in, especially with an 11 year old and a 14 year old in the house. Maybe he has to, because he sold his house to buy all those nice things :)

Doug> I just finished your Protected Species and I am quite impressed. Will Fr. Greene lead the NYC KofC in a battle against the Sword of God?

Skippy> Basically, God is a solipsist, but I find God to be more complex than that, though I would basically agree.

Cornbread- If it's not Pillsbury, it's crap :)

SOROW> How many times can I take the ride :) If you can make it to G2K, I turn 23 on the first day :)

My own fic previews.

I have finished writing "An Uncharted Isle". I should have it on disk tommorrow, and I am looking for any brave souls to prrof read it. It's not long, an dmy fics won't usually be long anyway. I also have some others in the works, including, "The Archmage's Apprentice", but that's not the next one.

Now, I'm outta here.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, September 30, 1999 05:15:19 PM
IP: 141.164.133.110

i should be back in here regular in a few days but saw the lawsuit issue and thought yall would like this.

Tsr Sued gary over dangours journeys. at a convention (moc 9 or one of the dragon con i can't recall) i managed to umm free up er acquire yea a copy of the suit. TSR was claiming to have invented and thus owned: elves dwarves hobbits orcs goblins thieves( we like adventures or acquirereres)paladins rangers dragons i think yall get the idea. this document was huge just to list every fantasy character they could think of. Yep clever of them inventing the game in 74 but going back all those centuries to start the legends and getting tolkien to write about them. I wonder were they keep the time machine.
ironwolf
Thursday, September 30, 1999 03:44:41 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-178.cha.bellsouth.net

JackaL, or anybody else who has The Fragile> Is that a cover of Black Sabbath's "Into the void"?

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 02:57:52 PM
IP: ppp-218.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Sorow...., my beloved Sorow.., as much as it upsets me, I'll leave you be. :o( ::sniff, sniff:: But I will wait for you until the sun dies! The really sad thing is I can't determine if that's a nice thing, or sick thing to say.... hmmmmm

Anywayz, about the tongue thing.... Yeah, I've done that before... once. Don't really want to do it again..., I don't know get me drunk enuf and I like ya..., sure. But more than likely I won't.

New NiN- There's only one song I hate with an ungodly passion...., the 2nd song on the 2nd disk, "into the void". God I hate that song... but I like the other 22 songs/instrumentals/whatever. The ones I really like, "Somewhat Damaged", and "Please".
JackaL - [Jackal1127@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 02:21:15 PM
IP: spider-wa022.proxy.aol.com

I realised that the link I gave pointed to the wrong Tolkien essay: The number at the end of the URL should be 25112.
Aris Katsaris
Thursday, September 30, 1999 01:22:45 PM
IP: athe530-c093.otenet.gr

Despite the peer pressure, I'm not going to do a fic preview. My future stuff is probably more nebulous and tentative the Wileks, so...

SJ> Sorry about your car, man. I'm starting to wonder if DC doesn't have an automotive cousin.

Later.

Aaron wanders off, humming "Iron Man" by Black Sabbath.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 01:14:20 PM
IP: ppp-83.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Black Lotus: I figure I'll chime this in since it is my field of expertise.

A.) The Black Lotus is the most expensive, non-misprint card in Magic. It ranges around $300-$500 American when in mint condition.

B.) The most expensive Magic card ever is a Foil "Lightening Bolt" with no text printed on it. In the current market, it is a unique error card on the rare premium foil cardstock. Last time I checked it was being auctioned on E-Bay for between $1,000 and $2,000 American a few days ago.

C.) The Black Lotus is a very old card from the original Alpha and Beta print runs of Magic, as well as the first standard "unlimited" edition. When the Design team made their first revisions to the basic set (removing the old print run to replace it with "Revised" edition) they eliminated 9 cards that were so degenerate they were limited to one per deck in sanctioned tournement play. These cards included Black Lotus.

Since then, the Black Lotus has never been on the printing press again. The basic set, however, is on its 6th Edition since Alpha. The sheer volume of Magic players and card stock has increased so greatly since Black Lotus was taken off the presses around 5 years ago that the card is extremely hard to find. The fact that there are a very small, fixed amount of Black Loti in the market makes it expensive as a collectable.

D.) Wizards of the Coast has no direct participation in the secondary card market, and can not pull such tricks as cornering the market on a particular card to generate increased prices for their own resale.

E.) Black Lotus is to be played under the current rules template of Magic as if it reads as follows: "Tap, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add 3 mana of any one color to your mana pool."

F.) In the game of Magic, basic lands produce one mana when you tap them (rendering it useful effectively one time for each turn you have) and you can only put one land into play in a turn. Black Lotus is not a land, it is an artifact with a casting cost of zero. It costs you nothing to play a land or a Lotus, but the lotus allows you two dangerous factors that lead to abuse:

1.) It produced any color. Basic lands only produced one preassigned color of the 5 colors in Magic.

2.) It produced 3 mana, accelerating the ability of a player to pay for more expensive creatures and spells earlier in the game than they were intended to be used. This meant that a player could play bigger monsters and more earth-shattering spells before his opponent had an oportunity, or even play multiple card combinations and kill his opponent before the other guy even got his first turn.

There is a reason there is a one land per turn limity in the basic rules of magic.

G.) Black Lotus is only playable in the Vintage Format of sanctioned Magic Tournements. No professional level events include Vintage format in their tournement. It is hard to find Vintage tournements anymore, so the unavailability of Black Lotus and other discontinued cards is not detrimental to new players in Standard Constructed Deck formats, and much less detrimental in Extended Constructed Deck format. The card sets available in both of these common tournement formats are rotated around the new set releases and the end of print runs so that card availability based on the printing presses does not create "rich boy syndrome" which ruins the chances of players on a budget winning games.

H.) Premium Foil Cardstock in Pokemon and Magic booster packs are do not affect the play value or abilites of any of these cards. They are played as exactly the same cards as their non-foil counterparts. The only reason they cost more on the secondary market is for collectors who are impressed by the "oooh ... shiny" factor combined with the more limited printing of foil stock.

I.) Foil stock cards have been printed in Baseball Carde sets for many years prior. No one leveled a law-suit.

J.) Things are only worth what people believe they are worth when it comes to matters financial. :)

Wow ... I have too much free time on my hands ...
Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 12:43:08 PM
IP: 141.133.119.169

Fire Storm > if I remember correctly, the Black Lotus could be tapped for 3 mana of any color, but then had to be discarded. And to think I sold mine for 50 bucks way back when and thought I was getting a good deal :P

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:34:38 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

I'm still computer impaired, and I have no idea what's wrong now. We found and replaced the loose hard drive cable, so the stupid machine should be working.

It's not.

Anyway, there's a lot I'd like to comment on, but time grows short. I'll just stick in one reply for now. Maybe the computer will really be fixed this time, and I'll be able to talk longer tomorrow.

Aris> Apology accepted. I actually appreciated the correction, if not the emotional tone. No hard feelings in any way.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 09:54:04 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

DOUG - Thanks for the reply.

I must admit that I find it a bit ironic that a hatemonger determined to destroy gargoyles, dragons, and mutants would be named Kurtz, in view of the fact that the Kurtz that I'm most familiar with is the author of the Deryni books (which involve similar themes to "Gargoyles" about prejudice and fear towards a minority group that appears demonic to the antagonists); of course, I know (since you've already told me) that he's named after the Kurtz of "Heart of Darkness", but it still is a bit odd.

ARIS - Thanks for the Tolkien site that you mentioned; I've already bookmarked it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 30, 1999 08:46:21 AM
IP: 216.87.46.92.dialup-stl.primary.net

Quick response to Aris: No. No, I would not be annoyed. I'd simply point them in the right direction. If they still thought less of the show, eh, that's their loss. Maybe I'm not as passionate about Tolkien as you are.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 08:33:38 AM
IP: 164.106.134.32

Hi all!!

Skippy re N-Synch: A real band develops it's sound through trail and error, not by focus group polls..>>I agree*Xanathar grabs his copy of NIN's the Fragile*this is music with heart unlike that manufactured rubish bands like N-Synch produce en-mass.

SJ:Ugh, what a day. Severe car problems....had my car battery die on me. While I was about 45 minutes and many miles from
my home. In the pouring rain.>>Ugh!,that sucks man!,and I thought I had a bad day.

Happy belated birthday to Airwalker and Happy birthday to anyone who has one at this time.

Wilek:Speaking of which, y'all may be interested to know that there's a first-person shooter coming out for the PC soon, based on...Werewolf: The Apocalypse. I can't wait to see this one. :D I would have thought it would work better as an RPG, but this could be kewl. ^_^>>I have some bad news for you my friend,Werewolf: The Apocalypse has been put on hold indefinately due to time constraints :( ,Click on my name to get the detail's

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Thursday, September 30, 1999 06:56:45 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

David G./Warpmind> Again sorry if I was rather too harsh in my rant. It's mainly the saying about immortality that annoyed me, since it's one of the most important themes in his work, and it was completely misrepresented.

Sevarius Jr> You mean to say that if you were in a forum where someone said that the Gargoyles of Disney are supposed to be demons sent by the devil to kill all humanity while good people like Hakon and Canmore tried to do God's work and destroy them, that you wouldn't correct them somewhat annoyed?

Pogo> The most important aspect of Tolkien's philosophy in his works is IMO his take on mortality vs immortality. (I said it's opposed to christianity since christianity says that death is a punishment or the result of a sin, while Tolkien says it's a gift) It isn't that obvious in LoTR, except perhaps somewhat in the tale of Aragorn and Arwen, but in Silmarillion (which was Tolkien's lifetime work, published posthumously) it's pretty much the most important theme, from Beren and Luthien to the fall of Numenor and so on. And if one wants to go to the books of "History of Middle Earth" (which contain unpublished, unfinished writings of Tolkien or previous versions of the same) Tolkien has created a whole philosophical discussion between the fictional characters of the elf Finrod (brother of Galadriel) and Andreth (a human wise-woman) concerning the mortality of humans, the immortality of elves and their status as gifts or curses. It's in "Morgoth's Ring", I think, the tenth book.

I'd say that there are various themes throughout LoTR. "Power corrupts" is also one I'd thought about but I'm not that certain anymore about. I'd say that the importance of compassion and forgiveness are perhaps stronger themes than the themes of power - Frodo is saved by Gollum due to his repeated deeds of compassion earlier on, Bilbo was similarly saved from the ring's power since his first deed after acquiring it was one of compassion. But that's rather simplistic I'm afraid and it doesn't describe what was perhaps the most striking event of all: that Frodo after his victory isn't thriumphant, healthy not even happy - he has saved Middle-earth but not for himself, he can't enjoy it any longer the same way the Elves can't enjoy Middle-earth anymore. So the themes of self-sacrifice are also strong.

However there's a guy I know from the newsgroups who has written a very good essay, supporting that the theme of LoTR was also one of mortality-vs-immortality or more accurately "death and the search for deathlessness". Here's the link:

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/tolkien/25744

It's a real good essay, as are all the later ones he wrote (you'll find link from in there)
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 05:08:16 AM
IP: athe530-b098.otenet.gr

Fire Storm> <<Have you read the articles in a Playboy?>> Can't say that I have, but I have noticed in the front of my Kurt Vonnegut Jr. (sp?) anthologies that a lot of his short stories were first published there.

Wilek> <<Seeing no other escape, the rat begins chewing through his abdomen.] Enjoy.>> Thanks muchly. >: )

SJ> <<Jack of All Trades". I'm not one hundred percent sure on the show's premise, but I think it involves him being some sort 007-like secret agent back in the 1700 or 1800s, fighting pirates or crap like that.>> Why does this sound like Brisco without a horse? **sigh** It was fun the first time around, but there's no need to drag it out again and claim it's new. I want something fresh!

***** MOVIE REVIEW *****
I saw the movie "Superstar" today. It had a few amusing moments, but on the whole I'd say save your cash. I never really liked SNL's character Marry Catherine Gallager, and the movie didn't do anything to change that. However, the tickets were free, so I can only complain about wasted time. My friends enjoyed it, but as I mentioned before, we have very different tastes when it comes to anything on a screen.
***** END REVIEW *****

Oh well, gotta go study a lot for 2 midterms I have tomorrow, and I've already gone 2 nights without sleep this week, I'd really rather not try for a third...

Bye all.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 04:38:39 AM
IP: ppp-223-096.usc.edu

Hi, all.
There's a line to the computer, so I'll be brief.

Stephen: Sorry, dude, I don't think you can enter this contest. First, it's in Norway, second, it's for people between 13 and 19. (The deadline is on October 15th, and I turn twenty on the 29th... I'm covered.) Third, I frankly doubt you'd be able to write an entire fantasy short story in Norwegian.

Gotta go, later everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, September 30, 1999 04:15:54 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Wilek> <<Really...? Does this store accept orders by phone?>>
I don't know. I'm not sure that they SEND stuff overseas - they certainly import a lot of stuff though - I'll ask.

Next Nintendo> Eh? I thought some developers already had devkits...
Not according to their top games creator. Inclined to believe him.
>Um...I kinda thought the Dolphin would have a clock speed of 400MHz, compared to the 350MHz of the PlayStation II?
Possibly, but clock speed doesn't mean that much. The 200Mhz Risc chip in the Dreamcast is (according to a hardware site that did an evaluation) as powerful in terms of 3D operations as an Athlon 700Mhz.
Similarly, the lower PS2 clock speed is offset by the powerful custom hardware, whereas the Nintendo machine is using a fast IBM chip. We'll have to see what results in both cases, but it won't be THAT much more powerful.

Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKThursday, September 30, 1999 03:53:35 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

Fleur: Honest Salesman: Strange but true. I have yet to really find another, though, so i think I am an endangered species.

Matt Dymond:<Nintendo are finding themself in the same position as last time>
it may very well turn out to be for the last time.

David G: Windows 98: DOn't even bother upgrading unless you have at least 48 mb of ram.

Green Baron: <when I was considering the priesthood.>
So you are definately not going to become a priest?

Pokemon cards: How in the world do kids get $1000 to spend on trading cards?
"Mom, can you buy me some Pomemon cards?"
"Sure Sweety. Heres my credit card." The mother says between glasses of burbon.

Trading Cards: I remember hearing about a Magic The Gathering card called "The Black Lotus." Only about 20-100 of them in existance. People were offering $1500 to $2000 for this card. Have no idea what it did, but it was not the most powerful card, if what I have been told is correct.

Coyote: Caught out there in the rain? Eck. I know here the temperature dropped roughly 20-30 degrees in a matter of minutes.

night walker: For the definition of "Creativity Demon", check out my link, then go to the bottom of the page. I wrote a definition and a small history of them.
But basicailly, they are wierd story ideas.
(Ya know... I think Batya's link would be much better.)

Sevarius Jr.: You can take my onions, but you can never take MY GARLIC!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 03:33:03 AM
IP: 216.90.45.189

Bayta: Excellent commentary. I'm sorry if I trampled on your interpretation of the values of the religion you choose to belong to.

I think we come most fundamentally to a stumbling block in semantics.

I had a different view of what constitutes self-sacrifice than you do.
I also have a different interpretation of the word "guidelines."

I would, however, agree that in the Talmud, there are few indications that one is expected to die so one's brother may live. In fact, I agree with you completely. However, in the case of your brother's demise, you ~ were ~ supposed to take your brother's wife into your own household and make her your responsibility. In my interpretation, that is self-sacrifice.

I would offer to you that it is much more of a step to give up one's life in service, rather than in death. Death lasts but for a moment, and is inevitable anyway. There is a lifetime of service to be endured. I observe that in the Old Testament, the prophets of Israel were very effective at obedience and service for long periods of time. In the early days of Christianity, however, we had a tendency to get more caught up in getting martyred messily rather than continuing to serve as best we could. In my eyes, I find a truer meaning of "self-sacrifice" in truly submitting one's entire life of many more years in service than in dying spectacularly. I see this in general. Sometimes a death means more than a life, but more often, a single life will serve more effectively than a thousand deaths would.

On the Ten Commandments, I offer to you that there were no one ever entered all the exceptions into canon scripture of either of our religions. So we are called upon as creatures of responsibility and soul to use the Spirit of the Commandments to guide us in our actions so we know when the exceptions are. The Letter of the Commandments are merely guidelines to understanding the Spirit of the Law. They are, however, as you've very accurately stated, not the "Ten Suggestions." I take the idea of guidelines a bit more seriously than others, I guess. *shrugs* Sorry if I startled you.

And I did know the more accurate translation of that Commandment, but I thank you for making the point. I didn't want to saddle the post with a long explanation because it would've made me wander way too far off to make my point. Thanks for keeping the issue honest thought. :)

"Man has justified his actions in the name of religion for as long as he has known a god-head. A sub-conscious choice, between what his religion dictates and what his own interest dictate, determines whether he lives his life to fulfil his religion, or interprets his religion to justify his life."

Pax vobis, mei amici, dono, pacem haec terra donare posest.

Somne bene.

*hears creaking* Ack � 2 years out of high school and my Latin's gone rusty. :P I'm not even going to try the subjunctive in there �

Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 02:16:21 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

****BEGIN RP!!!****
"Alchemist!" Thailog roars. "When are you going to take control of Jaden?"
"<sigh> I'm going to wait a few more days, we tried to do it to fast and now Jaden and some of the others are suspicious. I told you it was going to take time, so until then find something else to do. Go blow up a major city or something."
****END RP!!!****
You know, I like my speech class because it's really funny to be there. Everyone (including the teacher) is just a bunch of clowns. It's doing the actual speech is the part I don't like. Tomorrow I have to give an analogy speech. Oh it's going to be fun. :/

Coyote-Happy Birthday, sorry it took me so long.

Christine- That's too bad. I know what your going through. When my older computer failed it took weeks to find the problem, try to fix it, realize that it was never going to be as good as it used to be and finally get this new computer that I love so much. By then I was half crazy with internet withdrawal.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, September 30, 1999 01:42:01 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

SJ > Bruce Campbell and pirates? Be still my heart! There _is_ a God!!! When and what channel? I am so there!!!

Computer woes > still no progress. Am going into e-mail withdrawal. Developed a serious tic.

Greg's birthday card > he's seen it, and posted a thank-you to us all out in the main s8 CR.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, September 30, 1999 01:11:36 AM
IP: dial211.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Night Walker: The term "creativity demon" was actually coined by my clan and spread around the fandom. Check out Constance Cochran's essay detailing the concept here, or click my name:
http://home.earthlink.net/~eilonwy/stories/essays/demons.htm

Oh dear, it's going to be another long response on a touchy topic....
General disclaimer here: Toku Kaioto wrote a few things I'd like to respond to. Please do not take any of the following as Me trying to tell You what to do or what to think. What I'm trying to do here is clarify my own beliefs, not impose them on you.

"I made a point that an 'educated opinion' is not always a sound foundation for decision making, that is all." I guess my comment about random numbers was a little too flippant. I didn't mean to dismiss your point, I was trying to make a counterpoint: that is, what are you going to base your decisions on, if not what you've learned and what you think and what you believe? *reads further* Okay, I guess you agree with that more or less. As long as one has a healthy understanding that it's entirely possible for one's "educated opinion" to be faulty. (I wrote an essay on that in high school, actually, titled "Skeptic, Doubt Thyself; or, I Could Be Wrong, You Know.") And speaking of which....

"<<Self-sacrifice is not a Jewish ideal.>> Actually, if you read Scripture carefully, that is totally wrong...." <snip, including bits about Nazi propaganda>
Yikes. Um. Not sure where to start here. What I _meant_ by "self-sacrifice" is the giving up of one's _life_ for another. You might find a place or two in the Hebrew Bible where that's done, but you won't find a place where it's advocated. Giving up certain things, for another person or for God, is certainly advocated and is quite common -- but you're just not expected to sacrifice your life. (Again, there are exceptions, as always. The point is that _in general_, in Jewish tradition, the sacrifice of one's life is not glorified as a noble act. Sometimes it's necessary. But it's not glorious.)
I've been reading the Hebrew Bible, and Jewish commentators, in and out of school since I was about seven; I don't claim to be an expert but I do have a more than passing familiarity with the content. Keep in mind, please, that Christian and Jewish traditions can differ radically in their interpretations of Biblical texts. Where what I've said about Scripture contradicts what you've learned, it's very likely that a difference in interpretation is the cause.

"Even the Ten Commandments are not absolutes, but guidelines.... There came a time in many men's lives in the 1930s and 40s when they have to reevaluate 'thou shalt not kill'..." Erk. Um, okay, let's take that a piece at a time. Here's my understanding of the matter, as it differs from yours.
The Ten Commandments aren't absolutes in that many of them have conditional exceptions ("I am the Lord thy God" doesn't, as far as I know, but there are conditions under which one is not required to honor his parents or keep the Sabbath). But they're a good deal more than guidelines; they're not called The Ten Suggestions. God didn't say "Here are ten pretty good ideas, let me know what you think." Of course, one has to re-evaluate (constantly!) the extent to which one will follow the law, and that's just as true of secular law as of religious law. But that's a measure of free will, not a lessening of the law's force.
And "Thou shalt not kill" is, er, a mistranslation. The text actually says "lo tirtzach", which means "Thou shalt not murder". ("Thou shalt not kill" would have been "lo taharog.") Not all killing is murder; that Hebrew word is not used to denote killing in war, or killing someone who is trying to kill you. (Okay, you might consider that a needlessly fine distinction. Sorry. But while much of the above is opinion, the mistranslation is a point of linguistic fact. Interpretation of said linguistic fact is, of course, open.)

And a final clarification of my own position here. I have no problem with anyone whose beliefs about God (Goddess, gods, no-god, whatever) contradict mine. I have no problem with anyone (Christian, Jewish, secular scholar, whatever again) whose interpretation of the Bible, and/or God's intent therein, differs from mine. I start to get a little uncomfortable when your beliefs about _my_ religion contradict mine, but it's my discomfort and I can deal with it. I just want you to know where I stand.

Goodnight, rookery sibs. You know I love you.
Batya the Toon
Thursday, September 30, 1999 12:52:01 AM
IP: spider-we083.proxy.aol.com

**RP!**

[The team makes its way through the Phalanx's security perimiter, destroying Phalanx battle drones with their various advanced weapons, until they come within sight of the Phalanx's assimilated Sphinx, their main operations node...and see several hundred Phalanx surrounding the structure, outnumbering the team by a significant margin. SJ: "Oh, shoot..." Wilek: "Avatar, this is Nereus; we need *major* reinforcements ASAP!"]

**PAUSE RP AND BEGIN SPOILERS FOR STARSHIP TROOPERS AND YOGI BEAR**

Bet you never thought you'd hear those two things mentioned in the same sentence. :P The Yogi Bear in question refers to John Kricfalusi's new Yogi cartoons. I normally despise Yogi, but *these*...I almost laughed my tail off. The best one was when Boo-Boo LOST HIS MIND. >:D I haven't seen a twisted Freudian psychodrama (emphasis on the psycho) like this since the first season of Ren & Stimpy.

Now, for Starship Troopers. The ep in question involved the Marines being sent to capture an infant Plasma Bug for study. I have to wonder at the kind of mind that creates an insect that can only be subdued by shooting tranquilizers up its arse.

**END**

Warpmind> <<I'm working on a fantasy short story, for a national contest. I've read the rules carefully, and I've already gotten into the actual process of writing the damn thing. Now, all I really need is the willpower to not rip off COTSB.>> Good luck! :D <<Well, gotta go, I've received an e-mail asking me to write, and I quote, "An insect story.">> ACK. I just bet this is one of Pistoff's customers...

Xanathar> <<Strange,I would have thought leading thousands of tiny soldiers to their gory deaths would have been just your style>;)>> Heh heh heh. In video games, it's always more fun to do that kind of thing firsthand IMO. >:) Speaking of which, y'all may be interested to know that there's a first-person shooter coming out for the PC soon, based on...Werewolf: The Apocalypse. I can't wait to see this one. :D I would have thought it would work better as an RPG, but this could be kewl. ^_^ <<BTW have you ever played a game called "Thief,the dark project">> No, although I might like to check it out...

Delphi> <<"I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live
forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever.">> Um...O_o With such little intelligence, I'm amazed this kid had the linguistic skills to pull off that tongue twister...

Matt Dymond> <<A Dalek figure - I may be able to help you out on that. Pretty sure i've seen them in Forbidden Planet TV/Movie/Sci-fi merchandise store. I'll check this weekend if you're interested, let you know price - quality, colours etc..>> Really...? Does this store accept orders by phone? :) <<According to Mario creator, Shigeru Myamato the basic hardware is still undergoing testing - to see if it integrates correctly, so there are no games beyond the basic planning stages and not even development software to write it on yet.>> Eh? I thought some developers already had devkits...<<Nintendo are finding themself in the same position as last time. Last by far to release a machine with not enough of a difference in power to become as widespread as those released a couple of years before it.>> Um...I kinda thought the Dolphin would have a clock speed of 400MHz, compared to the 350MHz of the PlayStation II?

Christine> <<we had a computer crash over the weekend. Can't e-mail, can't download, can't update.>> ANOTHER one?! <sigh> How many ppl has DC been visiting?! <tosses the aforementioned Mr. Disconnect into Mr. Thingy and sets it to slow torture>

Aaron> <<the Pope took a liking to Bono's shades. He tried them on, and ended up keeping them.>> LOL I *have* to find a pic of that...<<Actually, I spoke a little too soon about the car. I had it back for about five hours before the connections to the radiator fan quit.>> ACK. Where'd I leave my rabid hamsters...

Might as well>
Fic previews: Can't say too much here, except that each of my five cycles will have a different theme--intrigue, dark fantasy, theological horror, etc. And, in the unlikely event that I ever get those done, there might be one or two spinoff series, taking place in the past and future. <hopes>

Kaioto> <<Bell is going to let the bill stretch over a long term payment plan, so it isn't going to destroy everything. I can help some now, still go see Liz-chan, and help out after Christmas as well. Things look better and I feel a lot better, even if I do still want to ring Alta Vista's neck.>> I'm glad Bell is being reasonable about this whole mess. Still, I'm almost sure that AltaVista's assigning Lexy a long-distance dialin number without bothering to tell her constitutes some manner of violation of some law or other. If they can be proven culpable in this whole mess, there's a chance that the courts *might* make them pay the bill. (Or not; I'm rather ignorant in such matters, so take the above with an asteroid or two of salt. But it would be the fairest course of action.)

Angie> forgot last time> Welcome back! :D

Coyote> <<Just FYI the name is spelled "Mnemnosyne.">> Ah. Thank you. ^_^

Night Walker> <<Chris-He's taking us to look at computers this weekend. He bought my mom a VCR and t.v. last week , and he offered to buy me a sportscar when I get my permit[I said no , I said I'd rather have the taurus, but d@mn , that would bring some attention to me at the gathering] . It's not that I don't apreciate his generausity, I'm probaly the only one that feels this way, but I feel that he's moving way too fast. It's hardly been a month since I first met him and he's already talking of moving in with us.>> o_o' Moving in...?! OK, now I'm *really* suspicious. He *is* taking this too fast. I'm not sure what you can do, though... :/ <<I'm just wondering what "creativity demon" means.>> It's kinda hard to put into words, but it's basically an odd but intriguing little idea that tends to take on a life of its own. :)

SJ> <<Severe car problems....had my car battery die on me. While I was about 45 minutes and many miles from
my home. In the pouring rain.>> Yet more electronic problems...Who else here thinks that this may all be part of some master plan? Perhaps Mr. Disconnect trying to keep us too busy with our own problems to track him down? <<This damn human fallibility is a real pisser.>> Isn't it though! And for some reason even gargoyles aren't exempt from it--sometimes I'm convinced my brain has multiple defects. Sometimes, I'll forget something I've known by heart for *years*, only to remember it again at the *weirdest* times. Or sometimes I'll find myself thinking of something (a TV show, a piece of music, whatever) for no apparent reason. Side effects of insanity, perhaps?

**RESUME RP!**

[The mass of Phalanx war drones descends upon our heroes, who fight bravely but never manage to get any closer to the Sphinx--until weapons fire from above begins incinerating Phalanx drones left and right. Teri: "I think the cavalry's here!" Above the battleground hovers a Dalek carrier, rapidly disgorging Dalek hoverbouts and troop carriers. With their help, the enemy forces are thinned out just enough for the team to make it to the Sphinx (unless the Phalanx has something else up its collective sleeve...)]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, September 30, 1999 12:22:48 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

COLORS> Robby, I'll try to remember to go with bright green, then ... it's hard undoing my Rich Orange habit, so I'm bound to get this wrong a number of times. APologies, therefore, in advance :P
Pogo
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:57:07 PM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

***BEGIN RP***
As the Phalanx drones approach them, SJ, Kari, and the others in their group plot a course of action.
"We definitely need to get inside the Sphinx," SJ was thinking aloud. "That seems to be their main node of activity. If we can hit that, we'll take out their whole network here in Egypt. And, my dad's probably inside that thing. We need to figure out a way to get inside and take things down from internally."
"Easier said than done," Black Tiger commented. "There's dozens of drones here, maybe even hundreds."
"I'm up to it," Kari said with a smile. Since SJ returned her goddess power to her, she felt much better. Unfortunately, Sevarius Jr. was still a little worse for wear after the brutal beating he took at the hands of the Cyber Smurf. "Will you be okay, though?"
"I'll be fine enough," he muttered. "I just want to finally get my dad back. I know he's responsible for some horrible things, but I can't help but think that I could change him....like Angela did with Demona." He held in his hands an assault rifle.
Unlike the regular particle beam weaponry, this gun was equipped more like a PPG blaster from Babylon 5. "First though, we got to take care of business. Looks like there's quite a few of those Phalanx, and they've got their sights set right on us. Let's change that, shall we?"
***END RP***

Ugh, what a day. Severe car problems....had my car battery die on me. While I was about 45 minutes and many miles from
my home. In the pouring rain.

Lord of the Rings news: Not much to say now, since most of the cast is already complete. However, there are now talks
about Cate Blanchett getting the role of Galadriel. They've even gone so far as to say she's currently negotiating for the part. Personally, I'd like to see Cate as Eowyn. Or maybe the lovely Gwyneth Paltrow would be right for that role....

Bruce Campbell fans! If you're a Bruce stalke--....um, I mean, *fan*, like I am, you'll be happy to hear that he's decided to play the lead role in the upcoming action/adventure series "Jack of All Trades". I'm not one hundred percent sure on the show's premise, but I think it involves him being some sort 007-like secret agent back in the 1700 or 1800s, fighting pirates or crap like that. Whatever the show is, it'll involve lots of swashbuckling action, which Bruce is great at! Aw heck, who am I kidding.....I love the guy. I'd probably pay to watch him read his grocery list, if he throws in a "Groovy" or "Hail to the king, baby" somewhere along the way.

On the heels of the Pokemon fiasco, another loony news bit has sprung up. Apperently Archie Comics wants Melissa
Joan-Hart *fired* from the "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" tv show cause she participated in some somewhat-naughty
interviews and pictorials with the magazines "Bikini" and "Maxim" (I've got that Maxim issue.....damn. Sweet merciful madre de Dios, has Clarissa grown up!!!). What do you guys think? Should they can her just cause she was being herself, instead of some sort of saccahrine character on a tv show?

The Practice: Good show, even if it is written by David E. Kelley (I'm sorry, I don't get him. Practice I like, but I absolutely loathe Ally Mc-I-need-to-eat-a-Meal, and I could care less about Chicago Hope). Excellent characters, but I thought that last season's ender wasn't that great....a bit too whacked out, what with Vogelman probably being the psychotic Nun and all.
I gotta disagree with Doug, I thought this week's Practice was pretty good. And particularly relevant too. In case you guys didn't know, the next big sexual fetish thing is "crush" films that show scantily clad women crushing insects (or even small animals like rats or squirrels) with high heels. I guess some people get off on "Puppy Torture vol. 10" or something, but they're currently trying to outlaw that stuff. **receives a stern eye from Deuce** Well.....it was interesting, and darkly humorous, to see the Fonz himself admitt in character that he liked that sort of thing.
What I didn't like was the new David E. Kelly show "Snoops". I'd peform many an illegal act if my reward was spending a
few brief moments in Gina Gershon's presence, but I didn't dig this show. Thought it was annoying, especially that guy who kept singing seventies' disco tunes. Who liked this show? It was supposed to be "humorous" (notice the quotes) like Ally, so I'm sure it had to have made some new fans already.

Skippy: The BSB and N*Sync had better get on their knees and be thankful for what they have. It's not easy to get fame like theirs, and they should acknowledge that they are the flavors of the month. If they play it smart, for the fifteen minutes that the public actually cares for them they could become millionaires, and invest that money to be set for life. And in about 10 years they can star in one of those VH1 "Where are they now" specials. They better know their role and shut their hole.

JackaL: You got your tongue pierced? Really! A good friend of mine has hers pierced as well. I must ask you, though, even though I fear the answer: Is it true what Chris Rock said about those with pierced tongues? You know what I'm talking about!

Aris: Well, we shall bow before your superior knowledge of Tolkien. Forgive those of us who dared to print a
misconception of the man. This damn human fallibility is a real pisser.

Kaioto: Ah, a fellow onion hater! I can't stand the things. "Good for the circulation" my hiney. And what's up with McDonalds? Ever try to eat a Quarter Pounder anymore? They have to put a whole onion under that bun! Down with
onions!!!

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:49:55 PM
IP: 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

D'oh , I forgot to�write these down.

SJ-I feel exactly as you do about this lawsuit buisness. and other card companies have been doing the same thing. Why , even the gargoyles trading cards had special cards that would only appear in 1 out of 20 packs. These people had better wake up and smeel their stupidity.

Sorow-What exactly did you mean when you said you were the official CR spanker? Is it a disiplinary action or somthing else.LOL . And what did you mean by line?

I never got the actual definition , I have an idea but I'm just wondering what "creativity demon" means. I feel really stupid now.

Deuce-just wondering, are you one of the CR administators? You've said a couple of time that you and Robby are trying to keep order or whatever. Or are you just trying to help, which I wish I could do but wouldn't know how.

Parent teacher conferances tomorrow, yikes. First year that my mom's ever going to any of mine.

Okay now, goodnight all.
night walker - [goliath01hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:36:32 PM
IP: proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net

Todd: You're welcome. And yes, what Arianna undergoes in "Comatose" will be basically the same deal Buffy underwent in "Helpless." However, since the potion the Council uses had to be upgraded for gargoyles, it's going to have somewhat of a stronger effect on Ari than it did on Buffy. And her Watcher is going to have no problem carrying out the Council's will. (Read my fics Slayer Senshi and Beneath the Streets to learn more about him.) I agree with you that the Joker one will be intriguing, I'm looking forward to when I eventually get to that. He won't be the only Batman villain who comes to New York either. Harley Quinn will definitely also show up, and so will Killer Croc (I have a creativity demon I need to indulge about Goliath getting into a fight with that guy). Perhaps some others, too, I haven't thought about it much. And if Batman shows up, he will probably be alone but may have Catwoman with him (she became good a long time ago in my ficverse, since it includes Merlin Missy's story All Through the Night).

If anyone's wondering, the story after "Blind Date" I also have plans for. It will be called "Sword of Prejudice." Its plot- On the eve of the year 2000, Reverend Simon Kurtz decides he must purge the world, beginning with New York City, of all "demons." This includes gargoyles of course, as well as dragons (who have by this time been revealed to the public) and mutants. New York and the world are of course still getting used to the existence of dragons, the gov't has sent Agents Mulder and Scully to New York to "find out as much as they can about this mysterious hidden race." So it's kind of an X-Files crossover. There will be a bit of conflict over dragons-gargs-humans relationship in it, but also action involving a Christian right terrorist organization Kurtz creates to carry out his plans- the Sword of God, borrowed from Pistoff's universe. Ai, that one will be a doozy. :)
Doug
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:31:14 PM
IP: pool-209-138-213-169.dlls.grid.net

Green Baron> Actually I'm not studing theology, I've just picked up some ideas from the resident theologian in the Bob Larson Fan Club; Dr. Dave Barnett. Cool guy, he's a professor of theology in Dallas

Though personally I have decided God is a solipsist, so I must be a figment of the supreme being's imagination :)

Other thoughts> Saw the Tuesday 60 minutes, they featured a puff peice on that producer who manufactured both the Backscratch Boys and N-suck. Not suprising the two bands sound exactly them same eh? Turns out he has a whole factory system set up churning out pop bands like this. he's already got two or three bands in the queue waiting for mega-stardom. they'll probably achive it once NSynch's contract runs out (that's what happend to the BSB's)

The N-Synch guys bristled at the notion that their band was manufactured. But I would say when the producer and promoters are directly involved in the bands evolution the band is being manufactured. A real band develops it's sound through trail and error, not by focus group polls...
Skippy The Figmentary Klingon
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:24:22 PM
IP: uv1-33.ultravision.net

Well, my mentorship workload this week is much better than last. Only have to do four pages this week. Much more managable.

Scanner is still acting funny, and now that we've updated to AOL version 5.0, there may be a few fun quirks DC has in store for mefor the next few days...

Also of note, the "Jesus Virus" hoax is circulating again. I don't know whats worse, that people make up stupid hoaxes liek this in the first place, or that its still circulating six months later...

Anyhow, while I have my freetime back more or less, I don't have enough that I really have time to catch up on the last 3 days of CR, so I won't try. I'll just try to get back into the swing of things now...

Pogo- I normally don't have a problem with anyone else using my color, its just since soemone else mistook you for me without my even being in here this week, that could clearly lead to problems later on. (Mostly I think because I'm the onyl one to regularly use this color...) Just trying to avoid hassles later... But if ya don't like yellow, bright green is a pretty spiffy color that hasn't really been used in a while...

Ronin Warriors- Interesting show so far. It does somewhat bother me that the voice cast has changed all three days so far...
Robby
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:09:20 PM
IP: spider-tr034.proxy.aol.com

I know I've been scarce the past few days , but starting this weekend I'll be here a lot more.

Chris-He's taking us to look at computers this weekend. He bought my mom a VCR and t.v. last week , and he offered to buy me a sportscar when I get my permit[I said no , I said I'd rather have the taurus, but d@mn , that would bring some attention to me at the gathering] . It's not that I don't apreciate his generausity, I'm probaly the only one that feels this way, but I feel that he's moving way too fast. It's hardly been a month since I first met him and he's already talking of moving in with us. Am I crazy to feel this way. He's really nice, but it just doesn't feel right.I'm probaly just imagining this feeling.

Pokemon lawsuit-ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I knew this would happen. They made the front page in almost all of the IN newspapers when the cards were banned here. Something really big is going to happen with this , I can feel it. Gargoyles never caused anything like this, that was good quality programming. I'm serious about that.

Goliathgirl-Angie, I'm sorry to admit , but I didn't know your name before, I know I already said this when I replied to your e-mail but :WELCOME BACK!!!

Married with children-I saw a rerun today and remembered how much I liked this show , how much I missed it. But you know , AT LEAST THIS SHOW GOT A TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF SEASONS AND AN ACTUAL SERIES FINALE. WITH OUR LUCK , GARGOYLES WILL NEVER GET ANYMORE THAN WHAT IT'S GETTING NOW. WHY GOD WHY. WAHHHHHHHH!!!!! you can tell that i miss gargs.**sigh**

cornbread-Ain't nothing wrong with that.lol

My angela-Well I'm not really sure what she'll go to. She thought at first that this was a chat room . If she doesn't care then I'll tell her to come here. If she wants to go to a chat room , maybe TGS chat room will do. Be nice though. LoL.And goliathgirl, can I call you Angie and her Angela if she decides to come here? It is a strange coincidence your right.Oh well.

The man show-My 11year old brother is watching this right now. It is the most sexist, ignorant, and just plain stupid show on t.v. right now. And it's so funny.lol.

Well , things are going pretty good on the writting side. If I am getting a computer I won't have to get someone else to post it for me [which no one offered to do anyway]. Which is really goo , because I now have six fics planned out in my mind . It's tiring trying to keep ahold of them all at once though.

And I'm RPing tomorrow using that one idea about coming just an hour or two late , so that last fic I wrote , just forget it ever happened. I still fell stupid that I didn't even know that it ended.

Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters. I love you all. Still feels wierd saying that.

Eg fylgist med per
Hvernig du hreyfir dig
Bak vid veggfodrid.....
Sidasta eg....
eg leita ad
til ad horfa a....
leita ad rigningu...
til ad ganga i.

nice huh, It's a bjork song that was written by the Elgar sisters. It's only parts of it. I'll write the translation tomorrow . and tell you where it's found if anybody cares to know.

bye now

night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:06:47 PM
IP: proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net

Green Baron & Coyote> You asked for it! Everyone in single file behind the dotted line and the thorough spanking procedure will begin. Make sure you are securely fastened with all carry on items safely put away. Please keep all hands, feet, arms, and legs inside the car and to yourself. When exited the ride, please enter again. Thank you for your cooperation... should I charge you too? ;) I love you guys! HUGZ

JackaL> Sorry, baby. My heart's been taken and it may be a while. But I'll make one exception... when your tongue heals, you have my permission to lick me! *kiss*

Spike> Thank you again for your help! I'll be getting that shirt (finally) soon enough!
SOROW
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:52:37 PM
IP: dll2b108-35.splitrock.net

**enters, still wielding his Desert Eagle. This time he caps Sli Sludge on his way to changing out the candles ... once again, using the spent cartridge to light it**

That's for giving me a magilla of a sinus headache for the *entire* shift today ... the entire *11 FREAKING HOUR* shift!! (Got talked into going into work an hour early ... at 7:30 in the morning, leaving me just enough time to shower and leave the house. :P)

**kicks Sli's corpse hard in the genitalia before sitting down in the massage chair**

Angie: Welcome back!

FS: That's what I thought ... that they couldn't tear it down because it was a historical landmark.
Oh, and it's been raining fairly consistently all day out here. I got nice and drenched ... not helping my headache any, I left my coat at home and wound up walking to the car after work in quickly dropping temperatures and driving rain. :P

Mandolin, re: singing: Why not? :)

SJ, re: Pokemon lawsuit: Ohh my Gawd, has society become this friggin' stupid?! **pulls out his copies of the INWO cards "No Beer!" and "Lemmings"** I bought an entire box of "Assassins" edition INWO cards to get these two cards. They're considered "ultra-rares" in the set. I have no problem with that. Opening card packs is always going to be a gamble ... you never know when you're going to get a gem. **pulls out a baseball card in a lucite case ... it's an '88 Donruss Ken Griffey Jr. "Rated Rookie" card** I don't recall how I came across this 'un, but I know that its value has skyrocketed. (Anyone familiar with card prices ... d'you happen to know the value of this card? Just curious.)

Fleur: Welcome back. And as far as looking at mug shots go ... I remember your telling us about that incident. Just see if you can find pictures of the guys grinning like maniacs, and I think you've got it made. **hugs** We're behind ya.

Wilek, re: memory goddess: Just FYI the name is spelled "Mnemnosyne." Though considering the guys Fleur's dealing with, I think possibly a HAIL ERIS! would be a bit more efficient.

Belated birthday wishes: Thank you so much, all of ye.

Christine: Condolences on the hardware suckiness ... good luck in getting back up.

Aaron, re: odd pieces of clothing on the Pope: You should've seen the crowd at the final game at Tiger Stadium. Someone had resurrected a banner from the '84 season (when the team's unofficial motto was "Bless You Boys") which depicted the Pope wearing a Detroit Tigers baseball cap. :)

Stephen, re: stadiums: I remember the Big Sombrero ... I remember Barry Sanders having a 200-yard rushing game there. :)
Tiger Stadium had its fair share of special events, too ... the most recent ones I can think of was that three years ago, KISS started their comeback tour with a mega-concert at the Corner ... then there was Nelson Mandela making an appearance there ... and the Three Tenors this past summer.

Fanfic previews: Hmm ... since everyone else is doing 'em ... I may as well, too ...

Consider, of course, that this would all be written *after* WCC is finished. I have ideas for three separate fic cycles which stem from G:CM.
One of which has already had a story written within its confines, "Rose of Connecticut." ("Sleepover" was the story in question) Goes through Rose's high school years in Connecticut, and plans right now are to include the proposed "Twin Peaks" cross with the cycle, and (with Amy K. Cyrway's blessing) an altered version of everyone's favorite degenerate gargoyle clan, the Outklaws.
Another prequel cycle that stems from G:CM would be a cycle I have in mind about the Detroit clan, specifically while Lexington is with them. Some stories I have in mind are Lex and Pontiac's courtship, outlining the relationship the clan has with the Detroit PD, *possibly* a crossover with my old cybercomic, and an eventual explanation of whose jersey Cadillac wears and why. (Still haven't decided which Red Wing it is, BTW, but I *have* done sketches of her in a #16 Vladimir Konstantinov sweater.)
Finally, a cycle taking place into the future from G:CM and WCC. This cycle would involve the children of my Clan rebuilding their lives in New York, many years after the invasion. Among those children are Solomon (Clan Manhattan's leader), Jun (a currently-unborn daughter of Graeme and Liberty), Cadillac (the Clan's resident arms expert in he future), Karynna (whose parentage will remain secret for now ... let's just say her parents *do* appear in G:CM), and Torrent (the way Rain and Rosanna get around their confinement to Avalon). The cycle will mainly involve the troubles that the Clan gets into trying to keep the status quo alive in Manhattan, and especially the internal obstacles they start running into ... in particular Jun's Rokkan instincts for conquest kicking in. :)

There ... that should be sufficient. And like I said, it's all after I finish WCC.

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating and massaging his sinuses**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 09:58:19 PM
IP: modem79.i-is.com

Greetings all...

COYOTE (Re: Tiger Stadium) - Happy for you bud, but I do understand what anxiety over a favored landmark is like. Down in Tampa, before the latest owners of the Buccaneers built the new stadium (forget the name just now), we Tampa citizens had the famed Tampa Stadium as our hallowed hill.

Lovingly nicknamed "The Ol' Sombrero", because of its shape, not only did the Bucs play there, but it was also the site for tons of special events: Truck rallys, motocross, and lots of concerts! Even the Rolling Stones played there during the "Voodoo Lounge Tour". I got to go there to see the very last game the Bucs played in under the Cullverhouse ownership, going against the Green Bay Packers (Bucs lost, but it was an incredible experience!).

Sadly, the city tore the Ol' Sombrero down... I think the space is now a parking lot for the new stadium. I still remember it though. You couldn't go to Tampa Bay Mall or to the Airport without seeing a glimpse of her. <sigh> she shall be missed.

WARPMIND - Contest!? Where? Need the info, people! Please!?

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 09:32:32 PM
IP: m61.ieway.com

Thanks, Green Baron, for the "welcome back". Thank you too, T.J.
Ange
USAWednesday, September 29, 1999 07:59:47 PM
IP: dial61.b2.tnt4.wa.freei.net

ARIS - Good corrections on the "Tolkien misconceptions". You really know this subject.

DOUG - Thanks for the "list of fanfics to come". BTW, is this test that Arianna is undergoing in "Comatose" supposed to be the same (more or less) to the one that Buffy underwent in the series (the episode where Giles got fired by the Council)? I wonder, if so, how Ari's Watcher is going to be feeling through this trial; will he also, like Giles, feel uncomfortable at having to participate in this betrayal of his charge?

And the Joker's encounter with the gargoyles should be interesting; it'll definitely be fun when he discovers that what he's up against in New York is even more unnerving than Batman. (And it would be even more fun if Batman does indeed show up in Manhattan as well, as you mentioned considering).

HARRY POTTER - I've read all three books released so far (there's going to be seven in all) and agree that they're great.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 06:44:18 PM
IP: 216.87.46.232.dialup-stl.primary.net

Batya- good responses. enjoyed the read.

LOTR-- I must admit I know nothing about Tolken perse, and have not read the complete trilogy. I know a lot more about Lewis, because of my own back ground--

Hmmm.....Christine inspired some one else to write about what they have planned fic wise. Hmmmmm--- that inspires me::

Preview:

Shauntell's story: The Blue Guardian will be on my site, and I plan on putting in also into the archive.. Not only can this garg gal draw like no one's buisness-- she can write wonderfully as well!!! I predict this will be up in 1.5 weeks tops--- You all must look at it!!! Very, very very good work!!!!! -- other than that, I'm not telling you any spoilers :P hehehehe!!!!

************Works of my own in progress/ or that I have planned*******************

1) It was a time of carnage and fire- the first Ragnarok.

will be written in the same vein of "let there be gargoyles" and covers among many things: the birth of Oberon and Madoc, the birth of the Unseelie Court, the birth of Avalon and Titana, and the overthrowing of Mab by Oberon.

2) matters of fate part 2-- teaser up on my site--

3) Poetry for my cycle as well will eventually be up

4) other plans for Misbegotten Son Saga--- ain't tellin' just yet!!! hehehe

jenna
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 06:26:03 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Pokemon Cards and Wizards of the Coast: I've been intimate with the Wizards of the Coast product line for years. I'm a Certified judge and time tested tournament organizer and staffer as well as a good friend with their employees in the area. This case is such a joke it isn't even funny. Incidentally, Richard Garfield, the inventor of Magic, filed patent claims on his main construct of Collectable Card Games a few years ago. He may be going for a broader interpretation now. Wizards of the Coast also owns TSR, the makers of Dungeons and Dragons. Another interesting tid-bit, however, is that WoTC is in the middle of being bought out by Hasbro (makers of Monopoly and many other games.) They are going to become an owned subsidiary. If WoTC couldn't beat this on their own, Hasbro's legal department would take these fundies and kick them to the curb so fast their heads would spin � *g* Ah yes � I remember the Exorcist � :)

Bayta: <> Sure � whatever. Dismiss the real point however you wish. *rolls his eyes and chuckles*

Bayta: And that manger comment, in fact nothing after the paragraph addressed specifically to you was addressed to you, so don't take it personally. I made a point that an "educated opinion" is not always a sound foundation for decision making, that is all.

Bayta: <<Self-sacrifice is not a Jewish ideal.>> Actually, if you read Scripture carefully, that is totally wrong. Abraham sacrifices much. Job loses everything. Prophets give up their lives. The thing is, they don't make these sacrifices for Man, they make them got YHWH. Man, in the Talmud, was a depicted more often than not a ****-head. Those who were the redemption of Israel were those men who gave their lives to set better examples by submitting to YHWH's guidance. Self-sacrifice is one of many ideals that have endured for thousands of years in the noble Jewish tradition.

(for everyone, not addressed to Bayta)
The assumption that self-sacrifice is not a Jewish ideal was just another root to anti-Semitic views that have ingrained themselves in Western culture since the Romans days, lasted right on through the "Golden Age" of "Christian Virtue" and into the modern era of Nazi Germany and even into present day America. It just contributes to the "Greedy Jew" stereotype.

(The below paragraphs are for everyone to share, and are written intended as such)

An educated opinion is generally the best resource we have available. Other times, however, our intuition points in another direction altogether, and is even right. In some cases random number theory WOULD serve better than an "educated opinion." I'm not saying people shouldn't develop "educated opinions." I'm saying that many stuffed-shirt, ego-swollen intellectuals I've known have a nasty habit of handing down their "educated opinions" like the Voice of God. This is an unhealthy attitude. I've know way too many "educated" folks who use their degrees and experiences as an excuse to stop learning and growing and walk around with a closed mind and a condescending attitude. The main point I make is that people are better served by reevaluating situations instead of working from their "educated opinions" (aka "prejudices") whenever it is cost effective.

Reevaluating your "educated opinion" about the solidity of your baseball bat is not cost effective when you are staring down a 100 mph fast-ball at the plate. You just trust that it is solid and concentrate on connecting.

Statistically, you aren't going to get cancer. Your educated opinion is that you are healthy. You still go in to have yourself examined when recommended because the cost of the time it takes to be examined is worth the additional chance of survival with early detection.

Racists think they have viable "educated opinions" about those they hate, too. Shows you how much an "educated opinion" is really worth sometimes. One man's "educated opinion" doesn't mean much more than a drop in the bucket in this universe, even mine. :) People's "educated opinions" are not supposed to be a declaration of absolutes and how to react in a situation, but the stimulation and addition of energies and ideas so that when we make choices, we have more to draw from; and when we need to act quickly, we have something to fall back upon. Even the Ten Commandments are not absolutes, but guidelines towards basic personal and social morality. There came a time in many men's lives in the 1930s and 40s when they have to reevaluate "thou shalt not kill." There came many times in war where soldiers had to reevaluate their dedication to the chain of command.

Finally, I'd like to thank everyone who offered their words of support. Bell is going to let the bill stretch over a long term payment plan, so it isn't going to destroy everything. I can help some now, still go see Liz-chan, and help out after Christmas as well. Things look better and I feel a lot better, even if I do still want to ring Alta Vista's neck. Thanks for the support *hugs*

Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 06:22:28 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

**TIME FOR SOME RP**

Kincaid's missile impacts hard against the side of the Avatar shuttle, tearing right through its shields and delivering a devastating explosion. "Wasn't that supposed to bounce off us?" Jammer asks Surge. "Yes," the stormtrooper commander replies. "They must have some kind of special pentration warhead on the missiles of that jet!" Doug looks out at the Stealth fighter, which is continuing to circle their shuttle even as it ascends. "We have to shoot Kincaid down," he calmly declares, waving to Kit. "Come on!" She nods and follows him up into the dual gunports on top of the shuttle. Jammer and Tricia hop into the ports below them. "What's the plan?" Kit asks. "He may be aiming another missile even now!" "Just shoot him," Doug says, looking down at their many worried friends. Kincaid's jet pulls back and makes another bombing run on the shuttle from above. Doug and Kit quickly fire proton blasts at him, destroying the two missiles launched and scoring several rents along the jet's underside. One of their shots penetrates the jet's cockpit armor and slices Foster in the leg. Kincaid's copilot screams with the pain, while Kincaid himself banks the jet out of the line of shots, arcing to dive under the shuttle. Jammer and Tricia are waiting for him and blizzard the jet with another duo of proton blasts. Spinning end over end and heavily damaged, the Stealth fighter still comes on, now barreling up to meet them. Surge chooses that moment to ignite the shuttle's warp engines, and the suddenly unleased immense G-force and downdraft from them hits Kincaid's jet hard and sends it crashing all the way back down to earth. There it crashes into the ground and explodes, neither Kincaid nor his co-pilot Foster surviving the wreck. Jaden sees this through the craft's instruments and breathes a sigh of relief. Doug and the others come back to the cabin from the gunports, thank Surge for his help, and accept their own kudos. "How long till we reach the station?" Tom asks Surge. "A few minutes," he replies, "provided there are no more interruptions like that jet." The Ravens nod in agreement and then let him get back to flying the ship.

**END RP FIRST BIT**

Greetings everyone. Sorry I haven't been able to post earlier in the week, school's been taking its toll. My first round of tests is coming up this week and next. <sighs> Hope I can handle them. Some good news- I've been working hard on my next story along with school, and I may have it done by the end of next week. Provided tests don't get in the way of it too much. I'm sure all my fans will be looking forward to reading it, and hopefully giving feedback other than stars. <disappointed sigh>

Happy Belated Birthday Coyote, and Happy Birthday to anyone else I missed.

Now and Again: The episode of it last week was pretty good, looking forward to this week's too. I hope it has a little more action as well as all the character stuff. And that it does more with Micheal's daughter, I agree with Mandi that her character was pretty much wasted in the first ep.

The Practice: I've watched this show in the past, think it's pretty good. The plots, characters, and deciption of the legal perspective have been excellently written. In fact I've liked the show enough to consider two of its stars ideal voices for some of my fanfic saga's dragon characters based solely on what I've seen of them on The Practice (the stars in question are Camryn Manheim as Tiamat and Dylan McDermott as Mortesan and Tyrac). I hated the first episode of this season of the Practice, though. Its main topic was sick and they didn't pick up the cliffhanger from last season's finale. No good plot or character development either (and that stunk, especially since I'd come to expect it from watching the show's previous eps). Hope the other Practice episodes this season are better than the first one was.

Stephen King: So he bought the van that hit him just so he could destroy it? Great idea. Wish I had the money to do something like that. :) Hope he has fun when it comes time to smash the thing up. <puts Quarryman-style sledgehammer in package and sends it to Stephen King in case he wants a more horrifying weapon than an ordinary sledgehammer would be>

Greg: Hope you have time for the reviews soon, I look forward to reading them (same to you, Pistoff). Once again, I'm glad you enjoyed my fics.

Welcome back to Blue! Missed you much. Good luck with your schoolwork ahead. Hope everyone wishes me the same, I could use it. :)

Fleur: Welcome back to you also. Good luck recognizing and helping the cops catch those jerks that hit you with the van.

Harry Potter Books: I've read the first two and will start on the third once I finish the huge backlog of books I've planned to read before it. They're very good stories, especially in the development of Harry and the villain, I liked a lot what was done with the latter in the second installment and can't wait for more to happen in the third. The supporting cast is also made up of good characters, and they've inspired me much. <grin>

Aaron: Thanks for explaining the Benny joke, I get it now. L Also thanks for the Pope in shades bit. I'll have to get a picture of that.

Todd: Thanks for the interesting Batman Beyond development idea, and the cool Jarjar creativity demon. I can actually see the latter happening. <grin>

Kaioto: That stinks about Lexy's phone bill. Hope she is able to find a better company and soon come back to us. Glad that so far you haven't also left.

Stephen: Thanks for posting the TGS info, glad to know the season is coming along well and being well-written in the meantime. I can not wait to see the finished products when they finally get posted to the site.

Pokemon Lawsuit: I don't collect Pokemon cards or anything else related to Pokemon, but like most people in here, I do not like this lawsuit. I agree that kids are spending too much on those cards, but the parents should worry about what their children are doing, not what a company is. If they do something to help make their kids be more responsible with cash, they will be correcting this problem in the future as well as the present. Suing the company that makes the products kids are spending big bucks on will only cause a big stir, get some attention, and not really do anything to solve the problem. That's my opinion, anyway. Of course, the idiot parents will probably go ahead and continue this foolish idiot's crusade. <sighs>

Jewel: Congrats on the end of your writer's block, glad it's over, I look forward to reading your new fic when it comes out. <grin>

Christine: Sorry to hear about your computer's crash. Hope its problems are soon fixed. :) Thanks for posting the info about your upcoming stories, I look forward to reading them all (especially Frolicsome Matings, hope you will write that. <grin>). Like everyone else in here, I hope and pray that you will get some letter that doesn't reject Black Roses very soon. <fingers crossed>

BTW, since Christine did it last week, and some people might be curious, here's a rough outline of the fics I plan to be working on over the next year:
Law Enforcement- (this one may be out next week) The Punisher's come to New York and is stirring up trouble. It of course falls to our heroes in the Manhattan Clan to do something to stop his mad vigilante crusade before it kills anyone else. Meanwhile, Matt and Elisa are assigned to track down a mole in the NYPD's Rose Task Force, unaware that when they finally confront him the traitor will be a very surprising and dangerous foe.
Control- The latest Avalon travelers reach Prague, where they encounter not only the Golem, but also Ras al'Ghul and an enigmatic exiled fay.
Inner Demons- The travelers return to Manhattan, and Seth has to deal with regaining the life he had and now may not be able to easily resume. Meanwhile, the Rose and Jadriel inspire a spree of race riots in Harlem, and the Manhattan Clan is forced to become involved.
Comatose- When Ari comes down with a mysterious case of chronic fatigue syndrome, the clan does not know what to do. Meanwhile, her Watcher continues to ensure she remains helpless, preparing her for a trial no Slayer should have to face.
The Test- A new evil immortal is stalking Zack, one who wants a fight with him and will stop at nothing to get it. Even the clan's aid may not be able to save their friend.
Night of the Symbiotes- Broadway and Angela are finally getting formally mated, so the clan will have a night of rejoicing. Their friends Spiderman and the Black Cat have returned to celebrate with them, and mourn the deaths of people they were forced to leave behind. The festivities may be cut short, though, when a powerful demon, his symbiotic minions (including Venom and Carnage), and an army of killer robots invades New York. (This will be a big one, of course, probably a two-parter.)
Vampire Plague- Can Manhattan face another crisis just as it is recovering from the one mentioned above? A master vampire planning to take over the city with his kindred certainly hopes not. Our heroes will have to get in his way.
Immigrants- The Joker, tiring of having his schemes spoiled by Batman, comes to Manhattan with several other Gotham criminals in tow. They soon find out that even in this new city they will still have problems with bat-winged crimefighters. Bruce Wayne may also make an appearance.
Inquisitor- When his life's work is destroyed by the Illuminati Society, Spiderman's old friend Robbie Robertson has only one person to turn to- Mr. Chapel of Vengeance Unlimited. Unfortunately this time Chapel will be facing a foe so powerful he will not be able to defeat it without the Manhattan Clan's help.
And finally, Blind Date, in which Matt and Nikki are going to go out for a relaxing evening that Jadriel just has to mess up. :) I'll get in more if I have time, hope I've sparked the interest of many people in here. <grins>

And that's it for now. Have to go, see you all again later. Bye!

**BEGIN ENDING RP**

The Avatar shuttle arrives at the station, and the Ravens disembark. Kaioto is quickly wheeled to the medical room, for treatment of his many injuries. Orion goes along to learn more about his fellow holy warrior. Only Jammer, Tricia, Stephanie, Shap, Keith, Tom, and Janice remain with Doug and Kitainia, the others excusing themselves to take a brief rest. "We need to talk about Pastor John," Shap tells the Ravens' leaders. "It worries me that he came back like that, especially considering some of the things he said." Doug nods. "Let's speak with Wilek first, we need to tell him we're here." He looks at Janice. "You will be staying with us?" She nods. "For a while, I suppose. I have nowhere else to go right now." Doug smiles. "Good, I'm sure Wilek will want to talk with you. Thanks again for the help at Area 51-A." He then turns to Agent Rho, who is approaching them. "Hi. Is Wilek here?" Rho shakes his head. "He has gone to Egypt, to battle the Phalanx." "The Phalanx?" Kitainia asks. "They're causing trouble again?" "I'm afraid so," Rho nods. "Please come into the meeting room and allow me to explain."

The display switches to the Phalanx's control center, where Phalanx Prime is discussing a new way to assimilate the planet with his generals. "We should try a virus again," Whiplash says. "Only put it in bombs instead of missiles. Have agents place them in cities. That way the Avatar can't stop us." "No," says George Whiffle (the Charmin toilet tissue man). "I propose something else." He goes into detail, and Prime grimaces. "No, we will not be doing that," he declares, looking at the Taco Bell chihuahua, who has just politely coughed. "How about we make them eat food and be assimilated?" the dog asks. "Viva Phalanx Gorditas." Prime frowns. "Hmm." Suddenly Cameron Hodge bursts into the room. "Sir! Pardon the interruption, but we have just come under attack!"

**ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CAN CONTINUE THIS, FOR NOW END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 05:39:27 PM
IP: pool-207-205-236-208.dlls.grid.net

Hey everyone!!
How much crack are the schools smokin when they try to ban Pokemon stuff? I mean, isn't it better than bringing guns to school? Ahh well..
I got my tongue periced on Friday..., I'm gonna lick all of you when it gets better! OKay????

Sorow, you can spank me!!!! I'll take the blame for all trouble caused in the CR!
Are you sure you don't want me to be your boyfriend?????????? :o(
JackaL
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 05:37:04 PM
IP: spider-wb064.proxy.aol.com

CS Lewis, mythological/religious fiction, et al: Lot of discussion here. :)
Jenna, you wrote: "...refusing to read something becasue it "dares" contain any type of religious refrences seems to be -- well, more of a knee-jerk reaction than anything else." As I wrote before, sometimes it _is_ a knee-jerk reaction. But sometimes it's a rational decision to avoid entertainment that embodies ideals you don't share. What's wrong with that? (As long as you don't try to impose said decision on others, of course.)
Toku Kaioto, you wrote: "All an 'educated opinion' really is, when you make a choice based on it, is a prejudice based on limited experience." Dang, you're right! I guess I'll have to start basing my choices on a random numbers generator instead.... :P :)
For the record, I don't object to manger scenes either, as long as no one tries to get _me_ to put one up.
T.J. Veil, you wrote: "I think that if someone who was Jewish...were to read his work without knowing that it was deliberitely likened to certain bible stories, then they would enjoy it." Well, I know _I_ did. I read the Narnia books when I was about eight or so, and I didn't know from Christian symbology. It wasn't til the last paragraph of "The Last Battle" ("And as He spoke He looked no longer to them like a lion....") that I realized that the series had anything to do with religion. Thing is, now that I _do_ know, I still like them.

The thing is, though ... there are undeniably Christian attitudes in that series and in others, all below the surface of the story, where one might internalize them without knowing. For instance, the concept of self-sacrifice as a noble ideal. Self-sacrifice is not a Jewish ideal; the Talmud tells us that in a situation where one must choose between one's own life and that of another, one should preserve one's own life first. (There are exceptions to this, as to everything, but that's the basic concept.) I remember, not too long ago, first realizing that I had internalized the ideal of noble self-sacrifice, despite the fact that my own religion does not espouse that ideal. Where did it come from? Hard to specify, but almost certainly from all the fiction I read -- fiction in which that ideal was an underlying assumption, never stated aloud but simply taken for granted.
Every so often, a foreign idea floats past below the surface of a story. Sometimes they're ideas I disagree with, sometimes I find truth or beauty in them; but either way, these days I make a point of _noticing_. Am I going to stop reading that kind of stuff? Hell no. But that's a decision I'll only make for myself, and I understand the reasoning of anyone who decides otherwise.

Stephen> Good to hear that TGS is taking the extra time to ensure quality this season. I look forward to reading the new episodes.

Blue Caeru> You wrote "...I like your artwork. Will we get to see some of it any time soon?" Funny you should mention it... :) I've finally gotten a bunch of my TGS fanart scanned and colorized. Click on my name to go to my webpage, and follow the links.

G'night all. Clear skies, high winds.
Batya the Toon
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 05:17:04 PM
IP: s15h077.lab.qc.edu

Aris> calm down. It's not that big a deal. Also, note the accuracy disclaimer at the begining of the post. When I know something definantly (usually having just looked it up) I don't include a disclaimer. When I'm not sure about what I'm saying, but am sure enough to say it anyway, I do include the disclaimer. The idea there is that people are supposed to keep the disclaimer in mind while reading the rest of the statement...

There are a couple of clarifications I need to make, though:
1 - I don't remember saying LOTR or any of the rest was a tribute to the bible. Was that somebody else? I did say that the mythology was built from a Christian basis to some extent. The point was that Toliken was a devout christian, and constructed a myth structure built around the diametric good-evil continium of Christianity (also Islam and Judiasim), as opposed to, for instance, the ballance-imballance continium of Navajo belief. (No, Tolkien wouldn't have known anything about the Navajo, I'm just using them as an example of a different religion)

2 - The Elves Immortality thing. That comment was something I read probably in Jr. High (more years ago than I like to contemplate). It was probably something someone else said, not original Tolkien. I't's been four years since I've even read the Hobbit, so things are a little fuzzy in my memory.

3 - Tolkien's background. I remembered WWI correctly, and thought I was wrong, and I remembered his religious background incorrectly, then second guessed myself with the right one. Go figure. (I'm pretty sure I was right about his being a communications specalist, though.)

4 - LOTR as alegory. (a)If LOTR was a retelling of a war, it would have been WW1, not WW2. (b)I said that other people had interpreted it that way. Tolkien specifically said it wasn't.

That pretty well covers it. I probably shouldn't have tried to write that particular post over my lunch break, but my home PC hasn't worked for 2 days, and I was going through withdrawls.

Since I'm having trouble being clear today, let me make sure to mention that I'm not offended in the least that you corrected me.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 04:45:25 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Whoops. Anonymous be me.

RE: COLORS> Thanks, folks. Just don't wanna step on any toes here chromatically :)
Pogo
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 04:28:43 PM
IP: fwnt.dw.dorseylaw.com

ARIS> Very interesting stuff about Tolkien. I'm curious what aspect you were referring to when you wrote, "the most important aspect of Tolkien's philosophy in his works is in *direct* contradiction to Christianity." (I've read the big 4 Tolkien books in a couple of languages, plus some relatively low-level publications about his work, but obviously nothing as thoroughgoing as your scholarship on this subject. The main message I get from LOTR was that power corrupts, and that good ends don't justify evil means, but I want to hear your view -- which I'm betting is informed by a lot more reading on the subject than I've done.)

Anonymous
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 04:27:31 PM
IP: fwnt.dw.dorseylaw.com

Quickie post:

I was looking through the "Ask Greg" archives and saw that someone had asked why Matt Bluestone didn't reveal that he had become a member of the Illuminati to Elisa or the Gargoyles. It's been so long since I've watched the show that I didn't even remember that he'd never told anyone. Well, I'm curious now as to whether or not he told them somewhere in TGS... I just don't remember!
Blue Caeru
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 03:50:26 PM
IP: spider-wg043.proxy.aol.com

**Warpmind walks in, notices Aris' rant ,and cringes.**
Ouch, that hurt. Just goes to show, you can't really trust your own memory. Besides, I fear it has been two, maybe three years since I read LOTR, and thus I believe I did mention that might details were a bit fuzzy. If I did not, that is YET another detail on which my memory is f**king with me. In other words... no hard feelings, Aris. In fact, I'm glad you corrected my statement, and I'm pretty sure Dave here agrees, too. Now, if I could only find out who unlawfully acquired my untranslated copy of Silmarillion, I'd show him a few neat tricks I can do with my body. Then I'd show him the even more amazing things I can do with HIS body. Anyway, I have a feeling that I might be ordering more books from Amazon.com soon...

And now for a rather disgusting thought of the day...
What would Elmer Fudd be doing in a Top Ten-list? (Remember his speech impediment, everyone.)

Look, now I really gotta go, but if you check the link on my name, you should have reason to worry. I know I do...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 03:29:45 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

RP WARNING!!!!
**Obi One Bob and Darth Clinton keep sparring, until Obi One uses his powers to leap to a rare golf course in the canyon, and Darth Clinton follows him. Once there, OJ Simpson appears and takes out his machete to join Obi One in the fight. Darth Clinton keeps hacking OJ with his cigar sabre, only to have OJ reform in seconds. While Clinton is distracted, Obi One Bob takes his laser beam and cuts the cigar in half, rendering it useless. Instead of accepting a gracious defeat, Darth Clinton presses a red button and dissapears.

The ground begins to shake and a 15' beast that looks like aman, but is really a woman starts climbing teh canyon, while Darth Clinton yells out, "You're Reno fodder, suckers."**
END RP for now!!

David G> Actually, Tholkein was a Roman Catholic (though Anglicans are quite similar). One of Tholkein's sons is currently in the same Order that runs my High School (Brothers of the Christian Schools, aka Christian Brothers). I didn't know that about CS Lewis, though. I know that he was a devout Anglican, though there was talk that he'd become a Catholic, like GK Chesterton and Cardinal Newman did.

Aaron> Well, BB King donated his guitar to the Pope a few years ago. I would give him my shades, too, if I had any :)

Fleur> WB ::hugs::

Janine> The fact that some School Boards spend 5+% of their budget on Administration can lead to why public schools have trouble. In Chicago, the Archdiocese and the school board both educate the same number of students. The Archdiocese employes 90 beaurecrats while the School Board employs 1,500!! maybe public schools need to look for better administrative models, though I doubt many would go for a vow of poverty like my Principal took :)

SJ> Let's see that hold up in the Supreme Court. Hmm...you live neard DC. I say invite Justices Kennedy, Souter, and O'Connor to lunch to discuss this. They're the swing votes on the Court :)

Skippy> It's an easy mistake to make :) What theology are you taking? I've considered studying theology, back when I was considering the priesthood.

Welcome to teh fold, Silver Fox

WB Angie

SOROW> <<So, am I like the official CR Spanker now?>> Hey, why not?

Class is starting in teh comp lab. I'll be back.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 03:27:19 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102

TOLKIEN> Aiiii! The errors concerning him and his work that I've read about today.... It literally made me cringe and seethe inside. Inaccuracies always annoy me greatly...

Let me correct a number of fallacies by Warpmind and David G. I hope none of the two of you takes offense.

First of all, Tolkien was a soldier in WWI. He began writing the Silmarillion there, NOT the Hobbit and certainly not The Lords of the Rings. In particular what he started writing about was Tuor and the fall of Gondolin.

His son was a soldier in WWII. However Tolkien had started writing and had pretty much outlined the novel far, far before WWII broke out. So there's no allegory; Tolkien has said that he hated allegory in all its form - applicability is another question. Warpmind is correct with this but he wasn't correct in his quotation: Tolkien said that if it truly had been an allegory of WWII, the ring (Atom bomb) would have been used against Sauron, Sauron (Germany) would have been enslaved rather than destroyed, while Saruman (Soviet Union) would have found in Mordor the tools (Nazi scientists) to create a new Ruling Ring to challenge the West (the West). No Hobbit would have survived long, not even as slaves.

It was not a World War 2 allegory though, so that didn't happen.

Tolkien was a Catholic, not an Anglican.

And you *read* that the whole book was a tribute to the Holy Bible?!? Where the hell did you read that? Other than the hero-figures Gandalf, Frodo, Aragorn who all either die or pass through hell to be reborn triumphant (an analogy with Christ, and since Tolkien was Christian he knew it) something which is though repeated in myths ever since the time of Dionysus, Orpheus, Dante, or John Sheridan (and John Sheridan was created by an atheist while Orpheus and Dionysus come from paganism, so Christianity doesn't have the copyright on resurrected heroes), there's precious little mention of christianity, christian symbols or christian ideology. In fact the most important aspect of Tolkien's philosophy in his works is in *direct* contradiction to Christianity.

And thus I come to my final and most important correction, the one that made me truly cringe, and one correction which is vitally important to be made, if people are not to have the wrong idea about Tolkien:

<<One tidbit I remember is that the High Elves were never supposed to have fallen from grace, and thus were still immortal>>

This is absolutely, absolutely, ABSOLUTELY wrong. You can't get more wrong than that. It's impossible to get more wrong than that. It's so wrong that I don't know where to begin correcting it. If you had said that Neil Armstrong was a Soviet swimmer who first stepped on America, I would have the same reaction.

The story says that death was a *gift* to humans that came from Iluvatar (by god) and it had nothing to do with their fall from Grace (assuming that a fall from grace did indeed exist - Adam and Eve certainly didn't exist though in Tolkien's universe). It was Morgoth (devil) who made humans be afraid of death, filling the idea with darkness. A few Elves (like Luthien and Arwen) on the contrary were allowed as a special *privilege* to die indeed, and leave the circles of the world. The High Elves Noldor did fall from Grace and *were* exiled from the earthly paradise of Valinor. But they didn't lose their immortality. Rebellion and obedience had nothing to do with mortality or immortality. That's what the kings of Numenor (Atlantis) failed to understand, thinking themselves wronged and saying 'We are punished for no reason, since we ourselves did not rebel, only our distant ancestors, while the Elves even the Elves who did rebel have immortal lives and are not punished'. They were ignorant for neither immortality nor death was a punishment or a reward, just the fulfillment of each creature's being.

Sorry for the rant, and I hope there are no hard feelings.

Please if you have newsgroup access, go to rec.arts.book.tolkien and there you can ask about Tolkien's work in more detail. Please don't spread around such errors though.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 03:07:06 PM
IP: athe530-g093.otenet.gr

Aris> <<Noone can possess a color. It has been long decided (or atleast long believed - by me atleast) that everyone is free to choose whatever color they want. >> Yeah, I realized that mid-post... and frankly, Pogo, stick with yellow, since it's a readable color (and I don't have to highlight the text to read it without eyestrain).
Mandolin
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 02:20:38 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Hi, y'all. Not much response since my last post, it seems, but here goes anyway:

**WARNING: GODAWFULLY LONG REPLY COMIN' UP!**

David G.: I didn't know Tolkien served actively during war, but if I'm to make an educated guess, I'd say he was a soldier during WWI, since I figure he'd be a little too old for the job in WWII. Furthermore, if I'm not entirely mistaken, parts of The Hobbit (or was it Silmarillion?) was actually written in trenches. Lord of the Rings, however, was often claimed to be a fantasy version of WWII, arguing that there were all too many parallels (I never get that nasty word right anyway, so don't harp about parralels, ok?) for it not to be the author retelling WWII. However, as Tolkien himself frequently pointed out, had Lord of the Rings been identical to WWII, Aragorn himself, probably, or maybe Boromir (or was it Faramir? I seem to mix those two up all the time.) would have seized the Ring as his own and used its powers against Sauron in war. Obviously, this would have ended the war in an entirely different manner, with the Ring-bearer eventually turning to darkness, and Sauron winding up somewhere else, not to mention what might have finally become of Sarumann. Good thing that never happened, I guess. At best, I read that trilogy in about two weeks. I have no social life, and I practice speed reading. It's about time I read the damn thing again, I guess.

**REPLY ENDED!**

Well, gotta go, I've received an e-mail asking me to write, and I quote, "An insect story." Obviously, the person who sent me the mail has some touch-studies to attend to, but I shall nevertheless write it after I am done with my fantasy short story. And I'll just bet the person is gonna have a LOT of things to tell me after he get what he ordered. He even offered me money! <G> Maybe I should just pass the ball to Christine, I doubt he'd be able to tell the difference between our writing styles, anyway. Not that a normally intelligent person would be incapable of telling them apart, mind you.

Well, later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 02:12:28 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi folks. I think the computer's fixed. I won't know for sure until I get it plugged back in, but I found a loose cable to the hard drive, and I fixed that. (Actually, my friend Steve fixed it)

Better yet, I may be upgrading to Windows 98 soon. Then I can hate the most current version of Microsoft's attempt to drive me crazy, instead of an obsolete one.

Now, since I haven't done it in a while, a completely non-gargoyles related... Obnoxiously Long Post. (Actually, it's not as long as some of them have been.)

A few thoughts on Narnia, Middle Earth, etc...

For those interested, here's some background on J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. I picked this up from several sources, including a biography of Tolkien. Some of it dates from Jr. High, so I may not remember it all correctly.

Tolkien was raised in the church (I think he was Anglican, but some part of my brain wants to say Catholic). He studied mythology, particularly Norse, and Linguistics. He has said that Middle Earth and all the myths associated with it were designed as part of a massive language project. (Essentially, he wanted a place where someone spoke Quenya (sp?)).

He built his myth cycle around a blend of Christian beliefs and Norse structures, wiht other things I can't begin to remember thrown in as well. (Celtic/Welsh stuff particularly)

If I remember correctly, Lord of the Rings was not primarily a religious alegory, but it WAS written around a theological structure that reflected Tolkien's religious beliefs. (One tidbit I remember is that the High Elves were never supposed to have fallen from grace, and thus were still immortal)

Incidentally, there are several other possible interpritations of Tolkien's work. One that many literary students favor, even though Tolkien denied it, is that the Lord of the Rings is an alegorical description of the Great War. (Or was it WWII - Tolkien was a British soldier during one of the wars - a communications specalist - I just can't remember which one)

C.S. Lewis was an Athiest (more of an Agnostic, really) until Tolkien converted him to Christianity. Like many converted Athiests, his faith was much more active than the faith of many people raised as christians. All of his literature that I know of WAS written for religious purposes. In effect, as he explored his faith, he shared his discoveries with his readers.

Narnia is a religious alegory. The cycle has a symbolic level beneath the surface story. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, in particular, is a direct alegory of the Christ story. The world is trapped in evil, and a Savior (Aslan) comes, heralded by prophets (The children). He faces the forces of evil (the White Queen), and is killed, then rises from the grave to defeat his enemies. Along the way, Lewis also explains the fall, repentance, and redemption of man (through Edmund) and the gifts of the spirit (through the childrens' presents). The whole story presents Christian ideas in a form that will appeal to children. The Last Battle is a simialr recasting of "Armageddon" and the final triumph of good over evil. (I hope I'm remembering the titles correctly. It's been a while.)

Pelandria (sp?) is a more advanced alegory, and attempts to illustrate more complicated ideas about the nature of evil. I've only read the first book, then somebody moved the boxed set, and I can't find them. One of these days I need to get new copies.

This is probably more on that subject than anybody cared to read, but I haven't done a long post in a while, and I was feeling verbose.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 01:50:11 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Aaron enters, pulls the Executioner's Blade, a demonic falchion, from under his coat, and slices DC into ribbons.

Amusing snippit I read this morning. Apparently at a meeting last week between the Pope and Bono from U2, the Pope took a liking to Bono's shades. He tried them on, and ended up keeping them. I wish I had a picture of that.

Wilek> Actually, I spoke a little too soon about the car. I had it back for about five hours before the connections to the radiator fan quit. (Glares at DC) I hope to get it back this afternoon.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 01:05:38 PM
IP: ppp-237.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Cruddy news > we had a computer crash over the weekend. Can't e-mail, can't download, can't update. So if you're waiting to hear from me or sent me something recently, please wait and maybe try again after we get it fixed. Also, I won't be updating my page soon, which is a bummer because I had a couple cool new pics to add.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:29:06 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Okay, back for the evening. Not much to say at the moment, but I guess I'll post again later, anyway.

Wilek & TJ: Thanks for the faith you display. I'll let you know if I get it done on time (deadline is October 15th). Actually, I could probably find some way to post it, but I doubt you'd understand it... it'll be in (shudder) Norwegian. Well, apart from the bits that might be elven or orcish. <G> I read what I had so far to a friend. He laughed, as I had hoped he would. Of course, he is a friend, so...

TJ on Lord of the Rings: Uh, I don't think there's just Biblical references there, I read somewhere that the entire BOOK was written as a tribute to the Holy Bible. Don't get me wrong, I have all possible respect for any faith, and I like Tolkien's books, but I'm inclined to say what I once overheard: "I believe in God. It's his messengers I doubt." By the way, ever read Silmarillion? Worth a shot.

Gotta go surfin' now. Must... Find... Doom2... WADs...

Later, ladies and regulars.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:59:28 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Pogo> Noone can possess a color. It has been long decided (or atleast long believed - by me atleast) that everyone is free to choose whatever color they want.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:42:13 AM
IP: athe530-h085.otenet.gr

Pokemon Lawsuit> Actually the legal company who is suing Nintendo is also suing or has sued just about every other successful trading card franchise in existance.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:40:35 AM
IP: dial-158.ocis.net

Wilek> A Dalek figure - I may be able to help you out on that. Pretty sure i've seen them in Forbidden Planet TV/Movie/Sci-fi merchandise store. I'll check this weekend if you're interested, let you know price - quality, colours etc..

The new Nintendo console> I wouldn't hold you're breath waiting for it this year. According to Mario creator, Shigeru Myamato the basic hardware is still undergoing testing - to see if it integrates correctly, so there are no games beyond the basic planning stages and not even development software to write it on yet.
Click on my name to see one of the articles reporting it.
He reckons once the testing is done (but doesn't even guess at how long it will take), the first games will take at least a year to complete. Personally given Nintendo's rep of delayed releases, I wouldn't expect to see it in Japan before mid 2001. As for price - word is it's aiming at $150-200. Given it's delays though, I'd expect Dreamcast to be under $100 by then, and PS2 may even be down to a resonable price. It's almost certain to lack DVD movie playback (the more expensive movie playing version is to be released in Japan only). Nintendo are finding themself in the same position as last time. Last by far to release a machine with not enough of a difference in power to become as widespread as those released a couple of years before it.
Let's face it though - with a great proportion of their money coming from the Gameboy and Pokemon, they can afford to wait.

Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKWednesday, September 29, 1999 10:28:18 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

Good morn everyone,
I was cleaning out the email and ran across one that has some comments for Days when you feel a little dumb, so here's one....if you like I'll post a few more of the better ones
WHENEVER I FEEL PARTICULARLY STUPID, I READ THIS...
* Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss USA contest...her response

Question: If you could live forever, would you and why?
Answer: "I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live
forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever."

have a great day whatever your doing

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 08:54:08 AM
IP: 216.190.241.115

Pokemon lawsuit> I have heard of it too, and since the cards have no intrinsic vaue except in the secondary collector market the case has no foot to stand on. The judge would do well to throw it out without review.

My guess as to this is happening probably has more to do with those same Fundies that hate CCG's like Magic and Pokemon with such a passion that they are trying to force the company out of business.

Oh, has everyone also heard that WotC just recently file patent claims on the whole CCG concept? From now on every CCG that comes out has to pay royalties to WotC.

I hate this bit of new even more than the Pokemon story. Forcing these startup companies to pay these royalties will most likely stiffle diversity and competition in the market. Those products that will come out will be more of the big name product tie-ins (Satr Trek, Star Wars, Pokemon) with lots of merchandising behind them than independent ideas...
Skippy The Klingon
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 08:16:43 AM
IP: uv1-49.ultravision.net

Hi all!!

Fleur:Welcome back!,sorry to hear that you've been sick(loved the DC/Sly Sludge death BTW>:))and I hope your able to get your car troubles sorted out soon.<<Is your computer fixed? If not, I�ll give you a call. :)>>No it's still a mess at the moment,I hope I can get it sorted out over the weekend*crosses fingers*,I would be delighted if you called.:)<<Erk, sorry about your little adventure with the doctor. *Shudders* Sounds horrible. *realises what she just said and ducks flying rotten fruit* I didn�t mean that! No pun intended!>>That's a sick mind you've got there Fleur...I like it!>:)

Stephen:Thankyou for the info on the new season of TGS,It sounds like it's gonna' ROCK!:)

Angie:Welcome Back!

Jannie:That's quite a story,at least you weren't hurt.

Wilek:Actually, RTS isn't quite to my tastes. But they're probably great for fans of the genre. :)>>Strange,I would have thought leading thousands of tiny soldiers to their gory deaths would have been just your style>;)BTW have you ever played a game called "Thief,the dark project"it's my second favourite game,System Shock 2 being the first(S.H.O.D.A.N.'s such great antagonist)

Warpmind:I'm working on a fantasy short story, for a national contest. I've read the rules carefully, and I've already gotten into the actual process of writing the damn thing. Now, all I really need is the willpower to not rip off COTSB. I can do it, I'm sure I can.>>Good luck Fellow Joyrider!:)

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 07:54:02 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Selanit> Welcome back. What country are you going to?

C. S. Lewis> I first read the Narnia books when I was a little kid (9 or 10). I liked them because it was a great story, and I didn't even think about biblical paralels. Granted, I was alot younger, but I didn't care what statement it made, I cared about the story. I think that if someone who was Jewish, or an Atheist that liked fantasy type books were to read his work without knowing that it was deliberitely likened to certain bible stories, then they would enjoy it. Granted, I was born and raised a Christian, but that doesn't mean anything. I could point to practically any fantasy novel and say that there were parallels to the bible. If someone is offended by references to an Christianity, they might as well not read Lord of The Rings. I could point out several areas that can be just as well construed as having biblical symbolism as the Narnia books.

Jannie> I understand why you feel that way. I think one of the problems with our schools is that some administrators tend to think only of themselves and not the teachers and staff. Not all are like that, but enough are to cause problems. As for jobs that can be assigned, some he may not legally be able to, it depends on the contract.

Coyote> Happy Birthday

Angie> Welcome back.

Mandi> Great job on that HUGE update! And as for the creativity demons, I know how that can be. I have characters I haven't written a line about yet tellling me to hurry up and get to them.

Pokemon Lawsuit> I've already stated how much I abhor Pokemon and the card game, but this is just plain rediculous. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Can you imagine how widespread lawsuits could be if this actually succeeds? You could sue any company that had an instant win game, any product with variable contents, and that's just the beginning. This lawsuit should be thrown out without any consideration whatsoever.

Fleur> Hope you get the car stuff sorted out.

Warpmind> Good luck with the story. I'm sure you'll do a great job. Let us know when its done. I'm sure you could find lots of people here to help you edit it.

Thought for the day:
"I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look for it."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 06:31:01 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Hi, guys. Not much time to write anything now, but I'll try to churn out something.

I'm working on a fantasy short story, for a national contest. I've read the rules carefully, and I've already gotten into the actual process of writing the damn thing. Now, all I really need is the willpower to not rip off COTSB. I can do it, I'm sure I can.

Wilek: About the toad breeding season: no, you don't really wanna know. Trust me.

Well, gotta run. Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 06:00:37 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**RP!**

[The two craft containing our heroes come under heavy weapons fire as they near the Phalanx base of operations, and as the come closer, it looks as though they won't make it--until a squadron of TIE Defenders from the Avatar Of Ganon arrive to divert the enemy's fire, while a few fighters escort the teams to the main Phalanx installation. After a few minutes of frantic evasive maneuvers and *very* close calls, the teams finally manage to land near the main entrance...where a slew of Phalanx soldier drones awaits them.]

**PAUSE RP!**

T. J. Veil> <> Really? Interesting; I never heard about that...mainly because, with a *very* few exceptions (like a TIE Defender toy I consider myself fortunate to have found), rare/old toys avoid me like the plague, and of *course* these tend to be rather kewl. [For lack of a better target, Wilek gnaws off Mr. Disconnect's head and drop-kicks it out the window.] What I wouldn't give for a figure of Ulkesh (aka Darth Kosh, the purple dude who replaced Kosh as the Vorlon ambassador). Or perhaps a Dalek figure. <sigh> Am I whining again? I'll stop. <<if Ertl doesn't come out with a station model, the people that do B5 Wars (the space combat game) might. They already have about 20-30 figurines of various ships from the Humans, Narn, Minbari and Centauri.>> Really...? Hm...there's a Hobbytown USA near where I live; I'll have to check that out. :)

Selanit> Welcome back! :D And good luck with the move. Ack. Hey, whatever happened to the Ballpitria homepage?

Zath> <<Someone please kill Mr. Disconnect in the slowest, most horrible way they can imagine for me.>> Hehehe. [Wilek straps a cage with an open bottom to Mr. Disconnect's stomach; the cage contains a rat. Seeing no other escape, the rat begins chewing through his abdomen.] Enjoy. ^_^ <<Actually, this book is from the 80's, so I don't think the author could be hinting he's a gargs fan, but who knows, maybe he became one later : ) >> o_o' Wait a minute...apparently the GFSC (Garg Fans' Sub-Collective, a sort of unconscious hive-mind) predates the actual creation of the show...this is a *major* discovery...I'd better start keeping track of all the Gargoylian weirdnesses I encounter (Anyone want to contribute? <g>)... <<Thanks for the link, I didn't know about that.>> You're welcome. :)

Xanathar> <<BTW did you ever play DUNE 2 or DUNE 2000 games by Westwood studio's(Dune 2 started the whole RTS genre)great games>> Actually, RTS isn't quite to my tastes. But they're probably great for fans of the genre. :)

Delphi> MilSpecs live forever, it seems. :P

Jenna> Thanks for the link. :) Interesting little site, there...<blink> There was once a Shadow figure...?! <sigh>

David G> You're having computer troubles, too?! O_O

Aaron> <> I'm glad there's *something* technological in this fandom that DC isn't currently messing with. :D

Jannie> Campfire tale> ACK. I'm amazed you got out alive! O_o

Night Walker> <<she's a webtv user , like me , so she[ like most of us, not including me] don't know what a comment room is, so that's why I was wondering if I could set something up for anybody that wanted to meet her in the chat room. She still doesn't know what comment rooms are. I'll explain, and she'll probaly think it's wierd , but she'll come [I hope].LOL She's looking forward to meeting you guys. And was hoping to do it via chat room>> Ah. Interesting idea. I'd volunteer, if I could be trusted to keep appointments. :/

Sarge> <<Does anyone know when the new Nintendo counsol is out? I know it is next year.>> Um...sometime next year, although I don't know more than that. :/ <<And does anyone know yet if they will make it so it can back track with old games?>> Um, no. The new system uses CDs, the current ones use cartridges, and backward compatibility would drive up the price by a few hundred dollars, significantly higher than the $99-$150 range the thing's estimated to be priced in. (Cheaper than Dreamcast and more powerful than PlayStation II. Great deal, no?) But the next generation Game Boy, which will be out next year or the year after, will be able to play original GB and GB Color games (probably). :)

Kaioto> <<Spent seven years studying Classical Greek and Roman culture as well as Latin from grades 6-12.>> Kewl, you know Latin? :) I love Latin. A lot of my favorite songs' lyrics are in Latin. (They'll come in handy when I'm writing spells. ^_^) <<The devil worship rituals or human sacrifice and outright evil acts involved in some stories I've seen is not itself ruining the book, nor keeping me from reading. It is simply something I'm opposed to, not even dislike but tolerate, but Oppose directly. It doesn't mean I can't read the book. It means if I found any of the characters involved in such things IRL I'd beat them to death with a garbage can (half joking, I CAN'T get away with that in my values system, though I might want to do it at the time)>> <hehehe> You'd probably find my values sustem a little odd--I've always thought that ppl who commit atrocities like that have forfeited their right to live and can be killed, and made to suffer, with impunity. >:) <> I thought I was the only one who did that! ^_^

Silver Fox> Welcome to the Asylum! Do ignore the screaming corpses scattered about, and allow the CR administrator, Deuce, to extract your sanity. ^_^

SJ> <<The Wizards of the Coast, the company that makes those insufferable Pokemon game cards, is being sued by a bunch of parents. They claim that by the gaming company placing special "premium" cards in certain packs, they are inspiring gambling in their kids. Apperently the kids buy the packs to get the reward of a premium card (that's supposed to be gambling I guess, buying card packs to get a special card). Apperently, some kids have even spent up to 1000 dollars on packs to try to obtain these cards.>> I read about that. EESH! Who are these ppl?!! If you ask me, they were trying to find an excuse to sue something associated with video games. I've heard parents are weird about those. <sigh>

Fleur> Welcome back! :D Ooh, we have a bartender now. I wonder if he knows much about poisons and explosives...<<So if any of you are in contact with the god or goddess in charge of memory, please give them my name.>> Sure thing. :) MNEMNICYNE (sp?), GODDESS OF MEMORY, AID THY CHILD KNOWN AS FLEUR RINE! I OFFER THIS SACRIFICE! [Wilek ritually slaughters Mr. Disconnect, just as Mnemnicyne ptoofs in from Avalon and says, "Those kinds of theatrics haven't been necessary for milennia. I'd be just as happy with a nice potted plant or something..."] <<Where in this ever-expanding universe do you find these web-sites?>> Um...I'm not sure myself, actually. I happen to stumble over them from time to time. Kinda like what Avalon does to travellers. :) (Oh, check out the Fireduck page at my name link. No that wasn't a typo. Bizarre.) <<If no one objects, I think you should be named the CR�s Keeper of the keys to the WWS (Weird Web sites :)).>> Wow...<blushes> Thanks... :D Wow, I have an official job here. Kewl. ^_^ <graciously accepts keys, which appear to be made of various colors of crystal>

**RESUME RP!**

[The team leaps out of their craft and proceeds to fire madly at the Phalanx guards before storming into the assimilated <whatever Egyptian landmark is serving as their base>. SJ exults, "Now all we have to do is find my dad and beam out!" Jake: "Um, dude? Easier said than done..." He gestures down the hall with his triad cannon, drawing the team's attention to a large congregation of various models of Phalanx battle units...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 02:08:49 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

*STRANGE BUT VERY DESERVED DEATH*
The door to the CR bursts open, and Fleur walks in, wearing a lab-coat and carrying a little black leather bag, a strange and frightening look in her eyes. A little hunch-backed guy wanders in after her. Both Mr Dis and Sli Sludge spot her and try to bolt, but the hunch-back, who is surprisingly strong, grabs them before they can get away.
"My mithtreth wisheth revenge upon you," the hunchback lisps, dragging them to a long metal table. "thhe thays that you thopped her from getting into the network for an entire week and then giving her the flu. Perthonally, thankth guyth." The hunchback adds quietly, "thhe'd never have gone inthane if not for you, and I'd thill be ringing those damn bellth."
"Wh..why don't you let us go in gratitude?" Dis begs. The hunchback shakes his head.
"Oh no. I'm her thervant. thhe wantth revenge, I help her get it. It'th in my contract, you know."
"IGOR!" Fleur screams, "Bring them here!"
Igor drags them over to the table and straps them down to it. Her eyes glittering with madness, Fleur pulls out several scaples, a couple of squiggly looking metal things, and a chain saw.
"I think I should perform some autopsies." she says
"But, we�re not dead," Sli whimpers. Fleur smiles.
"That's easily fixed."
What follows lasts several hours, and is even kinda interesting and educational. When Igor has cleaned up the last of the mess, he turns back to Fleur, who's blinking and looking around, confused.
"What now Mithtreth?"
"Mistress?" Fleur asks, and she sounds completely sane "What are you talking about? Last thing I remember is feeling like something died in the back of my throat. I keep seeing the words �Access denied�, too. What happened?"
Igor sighs. "You went inthane. I'm your thervant now."
"You are?" When Igor nods, Fleur sighs.
"But I don�t need a servant."
Igor looks devastated. "You mean I have to go back to thothe bellth?"
"Is there anything else you can do?"
Igor mumbles something bashfully.
"What?"
"I�ve always wanted to mix drinks. Like Tom Cruise in Cocktail."
Fleur frowns. "Where did your lisp go?"
"Oh, do you want me to lisp? I don�t usually, but it�s traditional for a hunchback to lisp."
"Personally, I prefer not getting showered whenever I talk to you. Now, do we have a bar here?" Fleur wonders aloud.
"Of course!" comes a shout from the shadows of the CR. "That�s where we lurkers hang out! And we need a new barkeeper. The only cocktail our current one knows how to make is a Molotov. Come on over, buddy!"
As Igor shambles off happily, Fleur runs around hugging everybody.
*END STUPIDLY LONG DEATH*

Hi all! Erk. Looks like I�m not the only one Dis and Sli have been messing with. But man, it�s good to be back!!

NEWS ON THE CAR FRONT!!!
I got a phone call from the police two days ago (when I could barely talk, and sounded like a criminal J). The guy who owned the van that hit me reported it _two_ days after the accident, and his story was incredibly dodgy. Something like: �I drove home from work late that night (note: he�d lost his licence, so he shouldn�t have been driving in the first place), left the van in the street, left the keys in the _foot well_ and when I went out that afternoon it was gone.� HEELOOO?! What kind of moron leaves the keys to the car in the foot well when it�s parked in the street?! One who�s probably smarter than anyone who�d expect a person to actually believe a story like that, I think. So the police officer got suspicious and has asked me to look at some photos. *bites lip* Only problem is, the accident was nearly two months ago, and I was so terrified at the time, I didn�t really get a good look at their faces. I�m hoping one of the pictures will jog my memory. So if any of you are in contact with the god or goddess in charge of memory, please give them my name.

Nightwalker> About Chris, I think he's buying you and your brother all this stuff and being so nice because he wants you to like him. What I mean is, maybe he likes your mother a lot (love at first sight kind of thing :)), and really, really wants you guys to like him, so he's trying to show what a great guy he is by acting really nice and spoiling you and your family absolutely rotten. Buying your friendship, so to speak. My advice, for what it's worth, is to try to get to know him better. Maybe when you do, you�ll discover he has a few faults, so he won�t seem so perfect anymore, or so creepy. BTW, I LOVED that T-shirt idea. LOL.
Xanathar> Is your computer fixed? If not, I�ll give you a call. :) Erk, sorry about your little adventure with the doctor. *Shudders* Sounds horrible. *realises what she just said and ducks flying rotten fruit* I didn�t mean that! No pun intended! >Disney channel Australia has removed Gargoyles from it's line-up.< What?! Well, there goes my only reason to get cable.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BIRTHDAY PEOPLE!!!!

Fire Storm> You were an _honest_ salesman? Wow, I thought they went the way of the dodo. :) Good on you for sticking to your convictions.

Hey Jackal, long time no hear! *welcome back hug*

Deuce> The picture wasn�t that bad. You remind me a bit of my brother (he doesn�t smile in photographs either, to my mother�s eternal anguish :)).

Wilek> Where in this ever-expanding universe do you find these web-sites? If no one objects, I think you should be named the CR�s Keeper of the keys to the WWS (Weird Web sites :)).

Kiaoto> *Reads �rant� and applauds* Oh well said, but my friend, every time you make one of your rants, I end up thinking it makes _my_ rants sound like they�re from some sort of ignorant red-neck whingeing in the woods with a beer in one hand and a rifle in the other. ;) Crud, that�s some bad news about Lexy. I hope it works out. Send her my warm and fuzzies, �kay?

Pistoff, Cristine and Steven> Good luck with your stories.

Welcome back Blue!! Cute RP, but do you think your demon of procrastination has a twin? He looks a lot like the one who�s been following me around the past couple of weeks. :)

SJ>> Stephen King has just bought the van from the guy that hit him! He actually bought the vehicle that nearly took his life! He says he plans to take a sledgehammer to it as soon as he's able. < *blinks, then falls about laughing* Okay, he just won my eternal respect.

Heather> Hey, I always like seeing your pictures, so link up your newest the next time you post. :)

Aaron>> Question of the day: Which was better, the gunfight in The Crow, or the one in The Matrix?< Ooooh, tough call. But since you said _gun-fight_, I�d have to say Matrix, simply for the amount of bullets used. (But The Crow would have won if you�d said fight scene.:))

Jannie> *reads campfire story and laughs helplessly for, oh, about an hour.* People are giving me weird looks. I�ve just about bitten through my bottom lip trying not to laugh like Hyena. Thanks :).

TTFN!

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 01:38:39 AM
IP: pig.cc.monash.edu.au

Mandolin> (re: colors) Tell you what. Why don't you give me a few bright colors that others aren't going to claim exclusive rights to? I'll be glad to pick one that is different from yours, but I'm not going to just jump from one to another to another, chased away by "only I may use this color" posts again and again. I think that's fair. ANyway, let me know; if it's going to bother you, let me know what other bright colors go largely unused and I'll pick one of those.
Pogo
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:49:41 AM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

Oooooooooh I've had a long day. I don't have a lot to say before I sign off for tonight and fall into a deep unconsciousness. At this point, I'm so tired I don't care if I hit the bed. Or anywhere near the bed. If it's the shag carpeting, I'll be happy.
The hamster-running-in-a-wheel that passes for my brain has just about melted down for tonight...but here's a couple comments for you.

Brimstone fans!!! Well, we don't get another season (or really all of a first one), but the Sci-Fi channel will air what few episodes actually got made starting this December. It's after the fact, true, but I'll take what I can get.

Wilek: I'll be looking for that Xena game. I, for one, can't wait to show Xena some kung fu moves, Ash-style! Of course, if I really wanted to play Ash in a video game, I'd just go buy Duke Nukem, cause the makers totally RIPPED OFF Bruce and the gang. What a shemp (that's an obscure Bruce Campbell reference, sorry!)

Pokemon Lawsuit: Has anyone in here heard of this? The Wizards of the Coast, the company that makes those insufferable Pokemon game cards, is being sued by a bunch of parents. They claim that by the gaming company placing special "premium" cards in certain packs, they are inspiring gambling in their kids. Apperently the kids buy the packs to get the reward of a premium card (that's supposed to be gambling I guess, buying card packs to get a special card). Apperently, some kids have even spent up to 1000 dollars on packs to try to obtain these cards.
Ahem.
Are these people out of the F***in' minds??? It's a damn card game? What, nobody ever collected baseball cards before? Same principle! What the hell was I spending the dough on baseball cards, for that brick of gum they sent with it? The damn gum was a hard as the Rock of Gibralter and had edges sharp enough to perform a appendictomy!!! You bought the cards cause some were worth something, the rest weren't. You didn't put your Mickey Mantle rookie card in the spokes of your bike to get that cool Harley sound. Let the damn kids buy their Pokemon cards!
What is up with this, though? Are we that litigious of a society that we have to sue for EVERYTHING??? And for that matter, what moron of a parent lets their kid have a grand to buy f@#$ing Pokemon cards??? Jesus Christ, if my parents ever gave me a grand for ANY reason I'd probably have a heart attack from the shock of it. And if I spent that grand on Pokemon cards--hell, on any sort of "card"--you have my permission to shoot me in the head. We live in a whacked out world. Goddamn Pokemon cards driving everyone crazy.
Hey, an entire Pokemon rant and I didn't even mention porn!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:27:16 AM
IP: 207-172-33-186.s186.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Just realized something while doing my first web page update in over a month - my personal web page turned three years old a couple weeks ago. Three years. Geez. You'd think I'd know better by now than to put up yet another small fan page on my site. (I'm not saying for what - I'm guessing most people on this board can figure that one out.)

**Mandi's creativity demons from other fandoms all start shrieking madly at once when they see what it is** Oh, shut up, all of you! It's your own fault for not giving me ideas on how to FINISH the fics you've been pestering me with!

Coyote> **does double take** Oh! Happy Birthday! I'd have presented you with a little chorus, but I don't think any of my creativity demons are up to singing now... (and you don't want to hear me trying to).

Kaioto> $1200??? That's horrible! And all because those jackasses assigned her a long-distance number?? I suppose this, too, will pass, but Alta Vista *should* be liable for that somehow. Man...

Deuce> I'm sorry. I should have kept that comment to a private e-mail to those who asked. But I wasn't the one who said it originally...

Selanit> Welcome back! **hugs** Nothing to do? Nothing to do? You want my schedule? :)

Pogo> I've been sticking to Bright Yellow for over a year now... **stops and catches herself, remembering a similar flamewar she started with Paul Nathans over this** Never mind. :)

All right, I'm done for the night. Clickie to see the first tiny update I've done in forever.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:21:27 AM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Coyote: Tiger Stadium itself is an historical site now, so legally they can't touch it. The stadium will stay the same, but around it will be sports themed resurants and medical offices, AND a few residential lofts! (Kewlies, eh?)
Hows the weather up there? Pouring rain here and lots of thunder and lightning.

<Fire Storm dumps a truckload of Pooh feathers on the oil-soaked Coyote.>
Fire Storm
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:19:58 AM
IP: 216.90.45.197

Toku> On Seperation of Church and State. I see your point there about The Menora and Nativity on the Courthouse lawn. but if the Atheists want to put up a "Happy Solstice" sign they ought to be allowed to. They did just that in a town near here and it proceeded to get egged and graphitti painted on it....Some holiday spirit.
Skippy Again ^-^
Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:12:23 AM
IP: uv1-37.ultravision.net

Fire Storm: "Batman: Harley Quinn" is currently in its second printing (first printing sold out ... I got lucky and scored me a first printing!!). It has a beautiful Alex Ross painting on the cover of the Joker and Harley in a dancing pose.
They aren't tearing it down? **fans self out of relief** So what're they gonna do with it then, if there's not gonna be baseball?!
As for the oil ... ahh, what the hell, I get doused in enough of it at work, I'm kinda used to it by now. **lies back in the massage chair as FS dumps the contents of his 50-gallon drum of 10W-30 on him**

Oh, and for those who are wondering why me and FS are getting so emotional about a baseball stadium, check my name link ... it's a short article at ESPN.com which should probably explain it.

**returns to oily fixation**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:57:30 PM
IP: modem5.i-is.com

Giger & Dune> There was in fact a Dune movie set for production in the 70's and HR Giger (fresh off of his production designer role for Aliens) did the production design for this project. I remember seeing some ad in Starlog for some kind of poster for this movie...

Obi One Bob> Sorry bout the mix up, I still have Larson on the brain... spaking of which:

Toku> As a serious student of theology, I recommed picking up Bob Larson's "In the Name of Satan" his Gonzo Chirstian outlook on exorcism ought to be a laugh riot for you.. (available in the next-stop-the-dumpster bin of your favorite second hand bookstore)
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:48:54 PM
IP: uv1-37.ultravision.net

SJ: I was just wondering why you were starting a archive. Just curious. By all means, have a fan site. The more the merryier!

Zath: Have you read the articles in a Playboy? Some of them are actually quite intelligent.
But I would LOVE to have the wireframes from that show. They were SO cool!
<LM: I got my father a compilation book of all of the articles because he really likes reading the articles.>
FS again: Actually, I like the jokes and cartoons.
BUT the funniest thing that LM and I see regulary are the stats on the playmate of the month. 36"-24"-36", 5'8" 120lbs? Yeah right.
And we have fun trying to find the bunny on the front cover. Fun!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. 
Welcome to G99 <G>

Green Baron: eunech: Well, all I know is that its as simple as Grip-Snip-and Flip.

Pokemon Crossover: I am thinking of writing a Pokemon/Starseige crossover. A SHORT fic, to say the least! (Little Pokemon VS 90 ton robots armed with enough firepower to level a city.)

Coyote: Tiger Stadium: At least the earlier rumors of them tearing it down were false.
Batman: Harley Quinn: Can I still get a copy of that?
BTW... HAPPY BIRTHDAY! HFS is nowhere to be found, so I thought I would just dump the contents of a 50 gallon of 10w/30 on your head, ok?

Silver Fox: Been there, got one.

<ACKNOWLEDGE\\SUBMIT>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:46:05 PM
IP: 216.90.45.197

Hello, everyone! I'm ba-ack! (YOU: Oh, no! ME: Oh, yes! Hahaha! Okay, I'll stop) Anyway, the reason I was gone is because I didn't have any access to the internet for a while. My dad decided he wanted to say some money, so he had our service terminated without telling me. So, I didn't even get a chance to say good-bye. Now we have cheaper service, so everything is cool now. Night walker, hmm. Cool name. So you have an online girlfriend named Angela, huh? Isn't that a coincidence? Ooh, and it's almost time for me to get my driver's permit! I'm going to learn how to drive, oh yeah!!! Wish me good luck! Well, that's all I have to say for now. Bye!
Angie - [Goliathgirl5@yahoo.com]
USATuesday, September 28, 1999 10:49:05 PM
IP: dial35.b3.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Have you guys thought of getting an actual java script chat room rather then this message/comment room?

BTW, good picture of Brooklyn, I commend the artist who drew it.
Silver Fox - [silverfox@pugetsound.net]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 10:40:31 PM
IP: e172.pioneernet.net

**enters the room, pulling out a leftover Desert Eagle from his long-ago part of the RP and capping DC prior to switching out the candles. Uses the spent cartridge from the gun to light the candle this evening.**

That's for crashing my server on my *birthday*, of all the nights!! **kicks DC's corpse as he sits in the massage chair**

Thanks everyone for your birthday wishes ... while I wish mine had come to fruition, I still must wait ... ah well. SOROW, JackaL's B-day is the same as mine IIRC. Deuce, I saw the card when I got home ... **sniff** that was beautiful, man. :)

**briefly pauses as he falls under SOROW's loving assault, then continues as she moves on. ;)**

Moment of silence for a fantasy mainstay, Marion Zimmer Bradley ...

Another moment of silence for a historic monolith of the game of baseball, Tiger Stadium (the last-ever game was yesterday).

Fire Storm, re: "Beware the Creeper": It got past S&P the same way "Mad Love" got past S&P. You gotta remember that little masterpiece when you think of questionable S&P decisions.
Seriously, though ... check out the "Batman: Harley Quinn" one-shot comic that introduced Harley into the regular continuity ... he *knows* that she's hopelessly devoted to him, and uses that to his advantage ... witness this exchange from the comic:
**WARNING, SPOILERS AHEAD!!**
This isn't a direct quote, but you'll get the gist ... it's Harley telling Poison Ivy about a ... shall we say, "romantic interlude" with Mr. J:
Ivy: "Oh, come on, the Joker is many things but sexy isn't one of them!"
Harley: "You just gotta get to know him ... that night was wonderful! My heart did the flim-flams! The world was spinning at a fantastic rate! I don't remember much, but I know it was a warm blur ..."
Ivy: "Drugged you, huh?"
**END SPOILERS!!**

Shogun: **shudder** Send that Creativity Demon to bed without supper!!

Kaioto, re: Lexy's situation: Aww man, if there *definitely* was someone I didn't wish my situation on, it would be you. You have my best wishes and prayers that this situation, as all other do, will soon pass. Still, at least you have snail-mail and (to a certain extent) Lexy has a much more understanding of the situation set of parents than Ravyn's.
**sighs shakily, looking to the candle for a brief moment before continuing**
Still, buddy, I'm here for ya. **hugs**

T.J. Veil: **shudders harder, but giggles** Another Creativity Demon that needs to be sent to bed without supper!!

**sits back in the massage chair** And to think, I have *three more* of these blasted 10-hour days to go ...

**whimpers quietly while fixating**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 10:00:58 PM
IP: modem5.i-is.com

Robby> Ooh, crunch time... hey, I have a 1000 word paper due tomorrow morning and I only have 200 words done - of the ROUGH draft! I think I need some help slaying the Demon of Procrastination before the semester is too far along. :-P
Blue Caeru
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 09:38:05 PM
IP: spider-th041.proxy.aol.com

I haven't used this picture in a long time! *drool* Must... restrain... hormones... AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!

Green Baron> So, am I like the official CR Spanker now?.... ;P Heeee heeee... too much booty in the pants...

The evil spirit of Pre Calculus is calling my name... Alliiiisoooon, yoooou knoooow yoooou waaaant mmmmmyyyyy diiiigiiiits... HHHHAAAAAHHHHHHAAAA! Sweet dreams to all my rookery kin. OKIloveyoubyebye!
SOROW
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 09:35:00 PM
IP: dll2b105-35.splitrock.net

Its last minute crunch time, and I have 7 pages of artwork due tommarrow, and only four and three half pages done... So basically, I gotta do finishing touches on like, 3 pages, so, I'm STILL too busy to say much. Oii... I'm gonna have a lotta catching up to do when I get back on track...
Robby
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 09:23:30 PM
IP: spider-we062.proxy.aol.com

Toku-
So you've studied mythology... and Latin!?
I'm probably going to major in Latin at Bryn Mawr, and I've been studying it for eight years. Both the language and the mythology are things I take very seriously, and things I enjoy tremendously.
Cool, new discussion topics...
Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 08:50:40 PM
IP: peme-162.brynmawr.edu

Pogo: Well, I haven't looked at C.S. Lewis in about 10 years. My loss, true ... I should go back and take a closer look at things ...
Toku Kaioto
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 08:02:50 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

TOKU> Given what you've posted about your religious background and frame of reference,

I'm curious about your take on the various works of C.S. Lewis, as mentioned by Jenna in part. (Narnia Chronicles, sure, but also his Perelandra (sp??) trilogy and other stuff.) Do you find them successful as Christian apologetics as well as fantasy stories generally? See, I'm not religious (or religiously knowledgeable) enough to judge the first of those two points.
Pogo
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 07:01:51 PM
IP: fwnt.dw.dorseylaw.com

Well, Today I found something worse than being woken up at 7:58 by someone asking "Don't you have an 8:00am class?"... Being woken up at 10:00 by someone asking "Didn't you have a 8:00am class?" **sigh** and it was a class I actually liked too, not to mention there's a midterm thursday. Also, it looks like the zip disk the library computer ate is gone for good. I got an e-mail telling me they had finally gotten it out of the machine, but when I went to get it, no one knew where it was. Looks like my bad day is turning into a bad week. Hopefully I'll have a happier post later.
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 06:57:16 PM
IP: ppp-225-060.usc.edu

On mythological references:
I'm a very serious Roman Catholic. Spent seven years studying Classical Greek and Roman culture as well as Latin from grades 6-12. I spent 3 years in Parochial Highschool. In Parochial school, we read The Iliad, the Odyssey as well as the Aeniad. We studied Roman and Greek mythology under the tutelage of Jesuit priests. They did not take away our texts because they objected to the stories about other gods and pagan religious acts. The books didn't even come with disclaimers.

I've made it a hobby to study philosophy and religion on a broad scale. I've looked into the mythology of the Classics as well as Native American culture and Eastern philosophies. I've found nothing to justify putting my fingers in my ears and shouting "La! La! La!" Until it went away. I've not been offended by exposure to anything, even in Dungeons and Dragons, short of things that make my stomach churn, but I never lodged a complaint.

Lord help me, but the last thing that really was hard to work through were some of the rituals of the Neophandi for White Wolf's game Mage: the Ascension. I'm almost positive it was independent work, but the background for the Dephilers I found was quite explicit and nauseating. Of course, I don't really like reading about torture, rape, and child sacrifices. It nauseates me to think about it. The reason is not a matter of taste, either, but the offense to my morality. What makes it scary is that things like that have been done. When Herod slaughtered the Holy Innocents, right there in the bible, a horrible, evil, repugnant deed the likes of which give me the shivers. It didn't make me so upset I couldn't finish reading, on account of its lack of vivid description. The devil worship rituals or human sacrifice and outright evil acts involved in some stories I've seen is not itself ruining the book, nor keeping me from reading. It is simply something I'm opposed to, not even dislike but tolerate, but Oppose directly. It doesn't mean I can't read the book. It means if I found any of the characters involved in such things IRL I'd beat them to death with a garbage can (half joking, I CAN'T get away with that in my values system, though I might want to do it at the time) but I can still read the book.

I read literature that has symbolism and value systems I don't myself hold. I have friends who likewise have value systems I don not hold. I don't object to them because they harm no one. I can deal with them in text because I appreciate good literature. I don't have my enjoyment lessened any by these values and themes in stories because I am not insecure about my own stance and I've learned to enjoy and benefit from the boundless diversity of culture and thought in America.

Bayta: <<(A simplified analogy: you can refuse to eat the broccoli casserole because it looks unfamiliar and green and yucky, or you can refuse to eat it because you've tasted broccoli before and you _know_ what it tastes like. On the other hand, that's no excuse to say that nobody anywhere should ever eat broccoli casserole, or to take it off the supermarket shelves....)>> I hate onions. I take them off my salads and my burgers. However, I eat onion rings. Sometimes, it is about how a food is prepared that changes the taste. Sometimes, as we grow up, so do our tastes. In the same respect, our "educated" opinions need to grow with us as well.

On the idea of the "Educate" Opinion though � something has crossed my mind.

All an "educated opinion" really is, when you make a choice based on it, is a prejudice based on limited experience. While it is all we have to go on as human beings, it is still a poor guide for predicting the future in the grand scheme of things. When applied to an individual based on experiences with countless numbers of individuals of the same race, the assumption that "Jews are greedy" is still racist, no matter how many Jewish people you encounter are greedy. How much individual attention we have to pay beyond our "educated" opinions is based on the complexity and weight of the decisions we make.

Facts are things that are very, very consistent as well as basic, and are generally based somewhere in how we classify things in our heads anyway. "A group of more than 8 is a plethoral." May be a scientific fact, but it is really a definition by which we classify people. Definitions' contra-positives are true. "A group of less than 8 is no a plethora." A group of more than 9 is still a plethora, but it's contra-positive is not necessarily true, so it is not a definition, merely a fact.

So, definitions serve as perhaps the most simple level. Follow them with facts. Then perhaps statistical trends. Then gut feelings. Etc �

The further from definitions you stray, the more likely it is your truth value in an assumption will be worthless. The more potential harm in acting under a false assumption rather than treating it as an individual case, the more vital your truth value be meaningful.

One other related issue that has struck me before:
I don't object to Jews putting up a Minora (sp) in my town hall. I think people who want the manger scenes ripped down from public places need to grow up and understand that they live in a world where (in public) they have to deal with other people, with other beliefs and values. They have no more right to an Atheistic public domain than I have to an Islamic Fundamentalism in these United States. Just because they've not chosen any icons of their own to put up, does not mean they get to ruin everyone else's. Icons, religious or otherwise, which promote a positive message that goes hand in hand with the government's desires towards peace and domestic tranquility should be permissible to display on public property. They do not violate the Separation of Church and State as a religion is not wielding government resources, nor is the government wielding religious authority. Certainly, as our fore-fathers meant when they wrote the thing, there is not being established a religion of the government.

Welcome back, Selanit. I'm sure Lexy would be over-joyed to see you. *sighs, wanders out sullenly*

Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 06:33:42 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Night Walker> which chat room has your girlfriend been wanting to chat in? Since I'm new here too, I'll be happy to have someone to chat with! *grins*
Jannie
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 06:27:44 PM
IP: 196-056.c.esc4.net

Okay I'm back! YEAHHHH!!!!.....

ICQ: To everyone who thinks I'm never on. Sorry. In the meantime, fopr those who DO own it, can someone tell me how to change my profile details do I can put my new address in? It won't do it for some reason!

Nintendo: Does anyone know when the new Nintendo counsol is out? I know it is next year. And does anyone know yet if they will make it so it can back track with old games?

Gargoyles: Bring them back!....Sigh....falsehope again....::sniff::

Art work: A complicated question for this, I'm hoping an artist would answer it. I am currently drawing a picture of Brooklyn crying, the top of his head is pointing directly at me and I am trying to figure out how to draw the ears since they are pointy. My teacher can't figure it out and neither can I......any help?

Fan-Fiction: Sniffers. I have no enusiasm to write when my computer is so slow I can't even type! Only one more week and I can install my new computer.....

100 minuets ago, man and the keyboard ruled. It was an age of ignorance, it was an age of Stupidity, it was the age of...Sarge.....
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 06:04:08 PM
IP: spider-wd012.proxy.aol.com

incest, dumb typo.

Oh yeah , wait , I forgot what I was going to say. Maybe later I'll figure it out.
night walker
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 05:42:00 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net

Batya- hmmm-- comments about CS Lewis-- sorry I gotta side with Green Baron on this one. You don't have to believe in something to find it interesting and wonderful reading. I adore greek, native american, and indian mythologies. These mythologies were/still are deemed as sacred truths at some time or another. I don't see the divine in that light, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy other religion's writings and myths.

This problem- refusing to read something becasue it "dares" contain any type of religious refrences seems to be -- well, more of a knee-jerk reaction than anything else. Usually the reader may have some issues regarding religion, and cannot seperate himself (or herself- lets be PC here) from the text in question. Usually the best remedy for this is to return to the text at a later date, when this may not be such an issue.
jenna
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 05:41:49 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Few short replies

Pokemon insets-Disgusting, that's all I have to say.

Greenbaron-No , this is a different Angela. Although that would be wierd. I'm still wondering what happened to her.

everyone that cares-Okay , see , she's a webtv user , like me , so she[ like most of us, not including me] don't know what a comment room is, so that's why I was wondering if I could set something up for anybody that wanted to meet her in the chat room. She still doesn't know what comment rooms are. I'll explain, and she'll probaly think it's wierd , but she'll come [I hope].LOL She's looking forward to meeting you guys. And was hoping to do it via chat room.**sigh**
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 05:37:21 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net

Deuce> *nods*

Stephen> Thanks muchly for the TGS update! I'm one of those fans just sort of eagerly awaiting ANY kind of word about it. ;-)

Coyote> Happy Birthday!

Green Baron> Love the Star Wars references in the RP. ;-)

Kaioto and Lexy> Urgh... that... just... REEKS. Sorry to hear about that unfortunate incident. :-( Grr... greedy corporations... >:-( Hope things work out well for you.

Selanit> Long time no see! (And probably for a long time after this since you're so busy.) Enjoy your "trip!"

Batya> Great sonnet. :-) Also, I like your artwork. Will we get to see some of it any time soon? <:-)
Blue Caeru
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 05:19:30 PM
IP: spider-wd064.proxy.aol.com

Pistoff> when it rains, it pours... now my email won't load.. ack! The phone co. says everything will be back in order soon. *rolls eyes* yeah right! I was able to read your email though and I truly appreciate your reaction to my incident last Friday night. It's nice to see protectiveness from someone ;) No offense taken on what you said about him, I assure you! The names and vocabulary that came from my lips would have made your ears bleed. *g* You are most certainly, without a doubt the best friend anyone could ever ask for! *hugs* Thanks friend of mine! *smiles*

But I gotta' tell you about the campfire!! *L* I hope no one minds me telling you about this here in the CR. Sorry to those who do mind! I'll try to make this short :)
The opening skit that we wrote, remember? The two rows of gun powder for the "fizzle" lines... ok.. the guy sets them up, but apparently didn't know how much (or how LITTLE) gun powder to put in the trays, he puts them too close together, and most importantly... they forget to tell me where these lines are.. O.O *nods* Yeppers! I call on the "Spirit of the West" and BOOM! right between my legs! They said I jumped about 2 feet straight up into the air (like an armadillo)and then high stepped it straight into the participants... *LOL* I did this 25 yrd "shhheeeaatttt" along the way! *LOL* I had been wearing this fake fox tail tied to a back belt loop all day and this lady jumps up and is chasing me & swatting at my butt - my tail was smoking! *LMAO* I have a tendency to blurt out things when I'm frightened or in distress so I turned around to this lady and said, "damn! I finally remember to wear my underwear and it just HAD to be the nylon ones and now they are melted to my ass" *blushes* Hehehehehe I wasn't hurt, so it was alright to joke and laugh about it - which was good b/c I had lost total control of the audience and it was the OPENING skit! *L* The next morning the scout leaders were all calling me "Hot Pants Jan" and looking for flash burns! *LOL* Soooo... I made a definite impression on these leaders as the "guest" trainer for the weekend..*LOL*
Heh, I am certainly going to tweak this skit before performing it again.. that or wear asbestos underwear ;)
Sorry that you are working so many hours... *chuckles* but think of the all that overtime and big bucks you are making! *winks* J/K!!
I found out yesterday that the district is trying to take away my pittance of a stipend for doing the extra job of special ed. materials clerk. The principals are the ones complaining... saying that we are being paid double for doing a job that they could just assign us to.. *blinks*
Ummm...I don't see them giving up their $20,000 bonus when their school passes the TAAS test! Mine is $500 - compared to theirs..??? and it doesn't even come out of the school's budget, it's from a general fund budget! I'm sure my principal was front and center complaining about it. *rolls eyes* They'll get what they pay for if it's taken away from me. *shrugs*
OK.. I'm shutting up now.. sorry everyone!
Jannie
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 05:16:02 PM
IP: 196-056.c.esc4.net

News
This page was updated on 26 September 1999. Marion Zimmer Bradley suffered a major heart attack on Tuesday, September 21, and died Saturday, September 25, 1999. Funeral arrangements are pending and will be posted here when final. Memorial donations may be sent to her church:
Saint Mark's Episcopal Church, 2300 Bancroft Way, Berkeley, CA 94704.
http://www.mzbfm.com/news.htm

Anonymous
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 05:15:14 PM
IP: proxy-383.public.rwc.webtv.net

I was going to say this earlier today, but then the school's proxy screwed up, I got sick, I came home... this had better work, or DC's getting it bad.

As CR Administrators, Robby and I have been very lenient in what we've been letting pass. You can use profanity a little more freely, we can discuss more adult topics, and generally just wreak a little move havoc that before. The room went from a mild PG to a moderate PG-13, and Robby and I are OK with that.

But the past couple days, we've been pushing that envelope. I've participated in it, too, but this whole hentai-Pok�mon-ReBoot sex coversation is over as of NOW, OK? I was going back over the room looking for a URL, and it just struck me what kind of wrath we would have brought down from DumlaoX twelve months ago. Let's back up a little with the sex, OK? I've had images of the WEIRDEST things running through my head all day... this really isn't the place for that kinda stuff, all right?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled insanity.
Deuce - [cr-admin@curtain.cjb.net]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 04:42:13 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

GB> Oh, I wish I had that professor. I'd like anybody who'd stop with the graphs already.

I got my car back. I'm mobile again. (And there was much rejoicing)

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 04:16:17 PM
IP: ppp-242.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

*wanders in again* Hi all.

Thanks to all who appreciated the poem. So glad you liked. :) (And let me tell you, the chain-sonnet poem form is HARD.)

C.S. Lewis: I've always been fond of the Narnia books in spite of the relentless Christian symbology; I've also read and enjoyed _Till We Have Faces_, and want to someday take a look at _Screwtape Letters_. But I can understand the feelings of those who reject a fantasy because it's based too heavily on a belief system they don't share. Closed-minded? Maybe, but no more so than the rejection of the belief system itself -- and that depends on whether the rejection stems from preconceptions or from actual knowledge of the thing one rejects.
(A simplified analogy: you can refuse to eat the broccoli casserole because it looks unfamiliar and green and yucky, or you can refuse to eat it because you've tasted broccoli before and you _know_ what it tastes like. On the other hand, that's no excuse to say that nobody anywhere should ever eat broccoli casserole, or to take it off the supermarket shelves.... Stopping this analogy before it gets silly.)

Reboot/Pokemon visual crossover: Gnaaaa... It's going to take me _hours_ to get that image out of my head.
As for hentai pics and stories -- hey, whatever floats your boat... but I'm just not going there. (At least not in public.) (I didn't say that. o.O)

Bruce Timm et al: Not going to rant about this much, just going to point out that "namby-pamby celtic fantasy" is a phrase that could only be put together by someone who has NO BLOODY CLUE about celtic fantasy.

G'night, rookery sibs. Clear skies, high winds.
Batya "The Toon" Wittenberg
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 03:46:56 PM
IP: s15h070.lab.qc.edu

Hey all,
I don't want to be a pain. But are we sure Marion Zimmer Bradley passed away? I was looking around for details and haven't found any metnion of it at CNN, MSNBC or SCIFI. I don't want to come off as morbid, but I just wanted to verify if it was true.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 03:20:16 PM
IP: 134.71.32.54

Skippy> Obi One Bob is referring to Bob Dole. In my RP before that, Tuxedo Bob Dole was challenged and Darth Clinton used his old title of Obi One Bob :) Why would I make Larson a good guy?

Jenna> I guess we'll have to see :)

Wilek> Yep, St. peter chose to be crucified upside down, because he claimed his death should not be as pleasant as Jesus'. Truthfully, that is saintly humility.

WB to Irina, Durid and Batya

Firestorm> According to Attila, it's spelled eunech. He oughtta know :)

Night Walker> is this the same Angela as Goliathgirl?

Pogo> You can't afford it? I guess you're a principled lawyer :)

Happy Birthday Coyote. I hope you enjoy SOROW's present as much as I did :)

SJ> Well, it doesn't surprise me, since Bob Jones declared Pope John Paul II to be the anti-Christ a few years back, I beleive. I guess it's that kind of mentality that would attack anything in the fantasy realm. Bob Jones University may offer a good homeschooling program as my ex-girlfirend is evidence of, but it seems that's not all she picked up from him :(

Beisdes, CS Lewis's stuff makes the list in the Conservative Book Club and some Christian Book Clubs, so I guess that camp who proclaims the stuff to be evil also burns books, too.

Kaioto> Truly, that is unfortunate. That may violate consumer protection laws, though. You and she may want to look into that.

Jenna> I read Screwtape letters and never saw any evidence of criticism towards Orgainzed Religions. It seemed to criticize outcome based education and egalitarianism, as well as pacifism to some extent. The only problem was an anti-semitic comment in regard to Pharisees, though that stems from Propaganda in the New Testament. If Lewis did mean to criticize Organized Religion (odd for a conservative Anglican)), it is ironic that teh religions attacking his stuff is not what I'd call Organized.

Anyone who refuses to read or support something, because it has religious roots is as closed-minded as any religious zealot.

Selanit> How was Oxford?

Now, I'm off to Intermediate Microeconomics. Luckily, this professor doesn't think too much of the graph mentality that most Economics classes preach. She's more into teh Philosophy angle. You'd like her, Aaron.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 02:46:37 PM
IP: 141.164.64.90

Hi folks. I got moved into my new apartment with no fatalities. I may even be unpacked by the time my lease is up. :)

I would have posted sooner, but my computer is not working. I'm thinking about using the opportunity of getting it fixed for some minor upgrades, so I may be scarce for a little while.

Obviously, since I can't use my computer, FL 4 is being delayed. (Bummer. I want to get it finished so I can start on the next one)

Oh well, see y'all later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 01:43:46 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

That's supposed to be *can do*. Geez, but I can't type some days.

Aaron
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:22:31 PM
IP: ppp-242.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Hehheh. Had a really bizarre thought last night. If TJ from Christine's fics and do magic on machines, what can he do to Hyena? ;> Mwah hah heh heh heh (Maniacal Bevis and Butthead laughter)

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:21:32 PM
IP: ppp-242.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Greetings all... forgive the shortness of post, but I do this as Head of TGS.

TGS will soon resume posting episodes, and we will be opening up Season 3 with a new season (acutally Season 2) of "Dark Ages".

Progress has been slow, due to RL concerns and some slight problems with our support system, but we are back on track now. To explain, one of the reasons we haven't released anything by now is because of two reasons: 1) We've done a complete revision of our format, so instead of a long series of eps, each series will be shorter than Season Two; 2) We are only releasing QUALITY eps for Season 3. We have been listening to the fans comments and complaints over what went on last season, and we are striving to meet some, if not all, of these concerns.

I will meet with the rest of the staff to confer on just how much more we can say at this point, but I have to ask that everyone please continue to be patient with us for a while longer. Trust me, when the new season finally hits, you will understand why we took so long to get this done.

And you should see it was worth the time and effort. :)

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:35:17 AM
IP: m15.ieway.com

Wilek-- BAB 5 STUFF ON THE WEB-- Look under ebay, my friend, and then "browse" under collectables. There is an entire Bab 5 section with hundreds and hundreds of entries. From the figures, to t-shirts, to works of art, posters, cds, signed photos- you name it!!! Put a link to ebay on my name.

Ebay also carries alot of gargoyle stuff-- take a look at the results under a search for "gargoyles"
jenna
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 10:27:56 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

If you're interested in the Harry Potter books by J.K. Rowling, drop by here. <CLICK!> This is easily the best Harry Potter site on the 'Net with info on everything from a character listing to movie news to J.K. Rowling's U.S. book tour. (I'm so jealous -- she doesn't have a stop in Dallas!)
Spike
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 09:48:56 AM
IP: pppt06-174.ght.iadfw.net

Got nuttin' much to say at the mo... but if you click my name, you will reach a quite extensive humor page, including a lot of computer humor, Star Trek humor, rough humor, Darwin Awards, etc. Nothing is too sacred for this guy, it seems.

Oh, and a small creativity demon that occured to me last night:
Jackie Chan. TV commercial. Folding chairs.

Just a thought.

Well, every sentient being, until later.

Sorry to hear about Lexy, by the way. Such evil things that occur by merest chance. Why can't one ever find the right person to blame?

Later, dudes and chicks.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 08:53:05 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Good morn everyone someone e-m me this interesting tidbit so I thought I would share it with you all....

>Subject: And now you know
>The US Standard railroad gauge (distance between rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?
>Because that's the way they built them in England, and the first U.S. railroads were built by English expatriates.

>Why did the English people build them like that?
>Because the first rail lines in Europe were designed and built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.
>
>Why did "they" use that gauge then?
>Because the people who designed and built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that same wheel spacing.
>
>Okay, why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing?
>Well, when they tried to use any other spacing, the wagons were prone to breaking down on some of the old, long distance roads, because that's the spacing of the old wheel ruts.
>
>So who built these old rutted roads?
>The first long distance roads in Europe were built by Imperial Rome for the benefit of their legions. The roads have been used ever since.
>
>And the ruts?
>The initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagons, were first made by Roman war chariots. Since the chariots were all made to certain specifications for or by Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.
>
>Thus, we have the answer to the original questions. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification (Military, as it were) for an Imperial Roman Army war chariot.
>
>But one "nagging" question still remains. Why did the design of the Roman army war chariots incorporate that specific wheelbase?
>Answer: Because the chariots were designed to be just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses.
>
>So . . . the next time you are handed some odd ball specification and you assume that some horse's ass was responsible for coming up with it, you may be exactly right!

have a great day every one!

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 08:47:48 AM
IP: 216.190.241.146

Hi all!!

The start of this post is a repeat of the same message I put up in the Station Eight CR

**ATTENTION AUSTRALIAN GARGOYLES FANS**

I recived my monthly copy of the Optus Vision cable guide today and noticed to my horror that Disney channel Australia has removed Gargoyles from it's line-up.

**END MESSAGE**

although I knew this was inevitable I'm still very depressed by this news,at least I was able to get all the ep's on tape but it's not the same as having it on T.V.....I miss it already.*Sniff*:(

Batya:Loved the poem:)

Selanit:Welcome Back!!

Sarge:Hmmm,it seems a lot of people are having technical difficulties lately(Myself included,I still don't have a fully functioning internet connection:()

Todd:Great Jar Jar Binks creativity demon:)

Sevarius Jr:I would never start critisizing Batman just because one of the shows writers said negative things about Gargoyles,(And I'm sure everybody in this room feels the same way)our grievence is with Bruce Timm not Batman.

Kaioto:Aww man,that suck's about Lexy,Give her my regards and tell her that I hope she is able to return to us soon:(.I also hope that you will be able to stick around as well.

jenna re Tolkien/lewis:great comments on religious zealot's,these people never do any could,they just try to impose their own twisted views on other people,how dare they try to slur Tolkiens and Lewis's works!>:(

Wilek re H.R.Giger/Dune:I remember seeing the scenes he had drawn up in my sisters Giger books,BTW did you ever play DUNE 2 or DUNE 2000 games by Westwood studio's(Dune 2 started the whole RTS genre)great games,It's too bad the Dune movie sucked it could have been a real winner.

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 07:59:03 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Ugh! Sunday/Monday (I didn't sleep last night so, to me, they count as one) was not a good day. One of the machines at the computer lab ate my zip disk and things went downhill from there... Someone please kill Mr. Disconnect in the slowest, most horrible way they can imagine for me.

Aaron> <<And does the book give instructions? I wanna be a were-jackal in the worst way. >> I don't know. I haven't had time to read any further yet. : (

Coyote> Happy Hatching Day!

Wilek> <<does Greg know about this? I mean, that combined with King Renard and Queen Titania from Xyber 9...this is getting weird>> Actually, this book is from the 80's, so I don't think the author could be hinting he's a gargs fan, but who knows, maybe he became one later : ) <> Thanks for the link, I didn't know about that. <<"Hey, you got your Pokemon in my incest!"...>> **snicker**

Naughty Pokemon> "Pika-OOOOOoooooooo...!"

Fire Storm> <<PLUS, it would be a bonus if I could get thewireframes for Matrix and AndrAIa>> That's even stranger than guys who claim "I only read it for the articles" ; )

Selanit> Welcome back!
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 07:33:28 AM
IP: ppp-223-038.usc.edu

<pops into existence>

HAHA! I'll bet you thought you were rid of me. Nope! Still around, but terribly incredibly AWFULLY busy. And even worse, I have nothing to do.

To clarify: For the last four months I have done absolutely nothing besides work, twiddle my thumbs, and write one fanfic. About two weeks ago, though, I went into hyperdrive mode. I'm leaving the country in 4 days, and guess how much preparation I've done? <hums jeopardy theme song>

Time's up! Player number 2, go ahead! Correct, the answer is NOT ENOUGH! <sigh>

New TGS> When can we expect new TGS episodes? More specifically, when can we expect new Dark Ages eps? I've always liked Dark Ages better than Pendragon, TD, or even TGS itself. And I seem to recall someone mentioning that, the new eps were due out in September? Is that right, or am I delusional? Please, e-me with the info, as I can't be sure when I'll next have a chance to read the room.
Selanit - [martinwd@colorado.edu]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 06:45:12 AM
IP: max1-114.denver.corecomm.net

I may as well start off with my opinion on the whole Bruce Timm/Batman thing. I think that Bruce Timm either never saw much of Gargoyles, because the mythology was not the main part of the series. It was the characters. This is why I think that Gargoyles is the best animated show ever. It was both original and character driven. I've always perfered the character driven stories to action driven ones. This is one of the reasons I perfer the Spider-man comics to the DC stuff. In DC, outside forces tend to cause the plot lines, like the earthquake that has led to the changes in the Batman series over the past year and a half. The events and action are the main plot advancement devices. On the other hand, Spider-man tends to be more personally oriented, being more about the life of Peter Parker and his friends than about his alter ego. For example, in the latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man the super-villain is in less than a third of the pages, and could just as easily have been replaced by several guys with guns. The story was great because you cared about what happened to the characters and how they relate to one another. I think that this is also the main difference between Gargoyles and Batman:TAS. Gargoyles tends to look at how events can develop characters. Batman tends to look at just one episode at a time, with the action taking precedence. I like both series, but I perfer Gargoyles. Some people perfer Batman. It's their right. Who knows, maybe Bruce Timm dislikes the way Gargoyles was presented. Or maybe he made judments without seeing the show. It's his right not to like it. But his comment was rude, and I would hope he would apologize.

New shows> I haven't seen many of the new shows myself. I do plan to catch Spider-man Unlimited. I (as stated above) am a huge Spider-man fan and I think this show will either be great or suck, depending on how it is presented. I hope it is in the true Spider-man nature and we see a large cast of characters as well as Spidey out of costume.

The Practice> I sometimes watch this. I like this show a lot, mainly because it looks at things from a perspective we don't see much on TV. This show lets us see another side to the Law and Order/NYPD Blue perspective, where it seems people are guilty til proven innocent.

Wilek> -B5 memorabelia- I don't know about the Koshes but I'm pretty sure the Bear-balon 5 dolls were sold at some point. And if Ertl doesn't come out with a station model, the people that do B5 Wars (the space combat game) might. They already have about 20-30 figurines of various ships from the Humans, Narn, Minbari and Centauri. And as for a computer game, a B5 combat game where you fly Starfurys and mabye other craft, is currently in development. Sierra, the company developing it, has recently dropped it from their itenerary, but they have stated they may be willing to sell the rights and all current development. The game is called Into the Fire.

night walker> We're always glad to have another member in the luny bin... er, I mean comment room. And any garg fan is welcome.

Christine> A Blue's Clues adult fic? I don't know wether to laugh or cry. Or both.

Mandolin> -the Matrix comment- ROTFLMAO... Seriously though, that does cause certain creativity demons...

***Warning: Incoming creativity demon***

Everyone Reboots...
Matrix(blushing): Looks like this must be one of those adult games.
AndrAIa: Remember the last time we were in one of these?
Mouse looks at Matrix, blinks, looks again.
Dot: Well, thats the last time I call you little brother...

***Creativity Demon Over***

Thought for the day:
"Super-powers? Bah! Who needs 'em? I've got a hand gernade! ... You'd be surprised at how much you can accomplish when people know you got one."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 04:27:39 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Robby> I understand. In my usual stomping grounds, I have that color, too. It is a DEEPLY ingrained habit (I go to the "color" field and type "R" twice, and end up with Rich Orange), so forgive me if I mess up and do posts in Orange out of habit.
Pogo
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 01:45:26 AM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

**A MOMENT OF CARNAGE STARRING OUR VERY OWN MR. DISCONNECT**

[We see Mr. Disconnect hanging upside down by his ankles in one of Wilek's favorite torture chambers, Wilek preparing his latest orgy of violence. Wilek: "Taking down the CR for hours last night, barring everyone from posting? Now, why on earth do you do this kind of thing? Or are you just dumb as a rock? No matter. I've got something special planned for you." Wilek uses his infamous hooked knife to shred off the outer layer of Mr. Disconect's skin, before seemingly inexplicably wrapping him in thin plastic, like Saran Wrap. Then, he covers DC with a highly flammable liquid and sets it aflame, the heat of the fire melting the plastic into DC's exposed flesh in a masterpiece of torment, DC's screams a symphony of agony. By the time it's done, the still alive DC looks much like the Crypt Keeper, except he's dripping profusely. Wilek: "And now I'll *really* start hurting you." Wilek rubs salt and lemon juice into the large severe second-degree burn that Mr. Disconnect has become before ripping out his intestines and tying them to a car, which takes off for a leisurely drive around the countryside. By the time they return, two hours later, DC has screamed so much that he has no voice left to scream, simply suffering in silent agony. Wilek now summons several moat gators to gang-rape DC. When THAT is finished, Wilek tosses DC into a large meat grinder.]

**END**

My copy of the Omen III soundtrack came in the mail today. YES! ^_^

Jannie> <<Have a funny story to tell you about what happened at the campfire...it consists of gunpowder, my butt, and a fox tail>> Um...heh. This I have to hear. :)

<moment of silence for Marion Zimmer Bradley>

Xanathar> <<You've gotta' love the Harkonnen>:)>> Oh yeah. I don't think anyone can do psychotic ranting like he does. >:) (I have to learn how he laughs like that...) <<BTW did you know that H.R.Giger did the artwork for that movie(Mostly the house Harkonnen scenes if I remember)>> He did...? <blink> I thought he did the art for a previous attempt at making a Dune movie that never worked out (I seem to remember that Salvador Dali would have portrayed the Baron). O_o Or am I remembering this wrong? (Granted, much of the design did seem Giger-inspired, especially the Guild Navigator and the Geidi Prime cityscapes.) <<and that Patrick Stewert's plays a minor roll in the movie as well.>> I noticed that. In fact...the actor who plays Piter DeVries also had a semi-regular role on Star Trek Voyager, and the Guild looked a LOT like the Borg. Hm...

Todd> Batman> Very, very interesting scenario there. Hm...<<Jar Jar Banks was actually created as a means of bringing about peace, harmony, and unification in the galaxy. Thanks to him, all other sentient beings in the galaxy would put aside their quarrels with each other and come together in mutual hatred against him .>> Heh heh heh...mutual hatred of Jar Jar as the key to galactic peace...I love it. >:)

Warpmind> <<It's toad breeding season here now, and my nine-iron is back at my folks' place.>> o_o' Do...I wanna know...?!

Jenna> <<Pokemon and incest?????!!!!! -- uh, can I say this loud enough-- YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK!!!!!!!!!>> I have to agree, quite honestly. Besides, I'm not sure there are very many characters on the show who are related to each other. :P

Deuce> <<Oh, God, that reminds me... I saw some ReBoot porn site a while back... ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. This site was a reason to license 3D modelling software, let me tell you....>> <shudder> ACK. Reminds me of a site I encountered a link to once (needless to say I didn't actually go in), of, and I quote, 'Perverted Sonic [The Hedgehog] Pix'. <shudders violently> I think Sega released their attack lawyers on it though, thank the stars. Radiohead site> <shudders more violently> That's gonna show up in my nightmares (even though they draw better than I do). O_O'

Stephen> <<Parusing a archive called "Sakura Lemon Archive", I found no less than ten Pokemon 'lemon' fic: most involving Ash and Misty, but a few that involved Misty and assorted Pokemon monsters... including Pikachu. Also, for some reason, someone on one of the old alt.binaries newsgroups sent me a hentai Pokemon picture of Misty>> <stares in stunned horror before shuddering so violently as to practically fall to a seizure> MISTY'S TEN @!#$%ING YEARS OLD!!!! <gags>

Almighty Bob>

Aaron> <<was a fandub called... (everyone brace yourself) Neon Genesis Southpark.>> LOL! That's just what I needed to see, after reading about <shudder> Misty hentai... :) <<Am I nuts, or was it Yahoo that prided itself on how kiddie friendly they were?>> Both. ;)

Green Baron> <<Well, getting crucified upside down is even more painful.>> St. Peter, no? (Or is it a different one? It's how some saint or other was martyred, at any rate.) Heh...this is why I'm always puzzled when an inverted crucifix is portrayed as a symbol of evil, in horror movies and such. I always considered it a symbol of humility. In fact, a chapel from my ficverse (Beltane Cathedral in Annwn, and yes I'm aware of the twisted irony) is decorated with mostly inverted crucifixes. :)

SJ> Being the resident Bruce Campbell stalker (:P j/k), I thought you'd enjoy hearing this--he'll be in a Xena fighting game coming out for the N64 later this year. :) (Now all we need is an Army Of Darkness game...) $<<Where were we in the RP again? Has the Phalanx fight begun yet?>> Our respective conveyances are approaching Egypt. Your craft is carrying you, Kari, Musoke, and whoever else came to the Dark Star II; my shuttle is carrying a load of Borg troops, battle droids, my team, and myself. We're going to infiltrate their base, assimilate them, and save Dad. :) $ <<I'm sorry that he said those things cause now this opens up the floor for all the Batman haters to just have free reign.>> Worry not, friend; I don't think any less of Batman for this. Just Bruce (Timm, not Wayne). >:)

Irina> Welcome back! ^_^

Batya> Poem> Wow. Just, WOW. <applause>

FS> <<Harley seductively slinked her way out of a pie singing Ms. Monroe's Happy Birthday song to Mr. J and he THREW HER OUT THE DOOR! Does he have anything, or is he a unic?>> Well, he's a psychopath. We barking headcases tend not to have time for such trivialities as romance. >8)

Sarge> This, my friend, is why we have Mr. Disconnect. <kicks the straitjacketed hacker in Sarge's direction and hands Sarge a variety of torture implements> Have fun. >:) <<Ever imagined a furby that looks like Sarge? If you knew what Sarge looked like?>> Not really, but I just now imagined Furbies of me and Miriam. O_o

Shogun Raptor> <<Scary creatity demon: Matrix, AndrAIa and Frisket rebooting as team rocket>> You are an evil genius. >:)

$Skippy> <<Obi One Bob? We ain't talking Bob Larson here are we?>> Bob Dole, actually. :) $

SOROW> <<Coyote> I wrote on my list that your birthday is the 30th of September>> 27 actually, but you're not far off. :)

Kaioto> [Wilek speaks the following in a chilling near-whisper. When he yells, he's ready to kill; when he whispers, he's ready to kill *everyone*.] They...charged...Lexy...$1,200...?! [Wilek calmly, almost nonchalantly, strides over to a console and types a command, whereupon the headquarters of Bell and AltaVista are consumed in nuclear explosions.]

Mandolin> <<One of my friends and I got into a discussion about ReBoot, and good-looking animated characters (a concept that the third member of our group didn't get at all), and she remarked that Enzo (the grown-up version, of course) was probably pretty well hung.>> [A pale and shuddering Wilek makes a valiant effort at trying not to run screaming from the CR.] There is a LOT of disturbing stuff here lately...[Teri: "Thing is, she's probably right."] Teri, do you want me to kill you off in the primary timeline as well?

Robby> You've been having computer problems as well? Ack. Looks like we're all going to be busy. Won't we, DC? <muhahaha>

**RP!**

["We're within visual range of Giza, Egypt," the pilot of Wilek's shuttle informs both teams. That's when weapons fire erupts from the Sphinx; the shuttle *just* manages to evade it.]

**END!**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 01:44:52 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Just a quick post no RP.

Wilek- Me too. What I'd really like is a computer game for B5. One with that new Warlock class Earth Destroyer. Only got to see a quick view of it in one of the Crusade eps, but it looked cool and mean.

Deuce-Yes, that qualifies as disturbing.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 01:43:58 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Okay, coupla quick comments after skimming the room, I haven't the time to get into any discussion, interesting as some are.

Toku- That just... Sucks man. Really.

SJ- Um, I haven't had a chance to post anything all week. I think the post you were looking at is Pogo's. After me being the only Rich Orange poster more or less for the last 9 months, its probably an easy mistake to make...

Pogo- On that note, would it be possible for you to switch to a different color, for that reason? I'm kinda associated with Rich Orange...
Robby
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:49:35 AM
IP: spider-to058.proxy.aol.com

Oii... My dad's been spending the entire day trying to get the scanner to work and the other computer is being a total ****, so I haven't even been able to come on until now... ANd this is only for half an hour, so I don't even have time to read the room, let alone respond to it. Oii, I just have *not* had computer time this week... I'll try to rectify that tommarrow...
Robby
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:33:22 AM
IP: spider-to058.proxy.aol.com

Just a quick post, no RP this time.

Todd: Excellent creativity demon, thanks for the laugh. :)

Kaioto: Please let Lexy know we shall miss her until she returns, and you if you also go. <growls something unintelligible about the evils of Bell>

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR MUMFORD**

Saw this movie today (it was Monday, we had nothing else to do in the afternoon). It wasn't as good as we thought it would be. No particularly good preformances or characters, and the script was weak and full of plot holes. It also didn't really spark the viewer's interest in psychology that much. I liked the psychologist's methods and may use some of them when I go into practice, but that was IMO the film's one redeeming feature. So it gets 4/10, thumbs diagonal down. <sighs> Hopefully Three Kings (our movie for this weekend) will be more worth our time.

**SPOILERS END**

Pokemon Hentai: I agree with SJ about Misty, hentai involving her is sick (and she's not that cute, either). Jessie, Cassidy, and Duplica are much better targets. As are Butch, James, Gary (he has to have something going on with all those girls who follow him around!), and of course Brock.

Gone now.
Kitainia
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:28:41 AM
IP: pool-207-205-147-52.dlls.grid.net

Jenna: Yeah, that's one of the reasons I love Lewis' Narnia books, especially "The Lion...". Aslan is obviously an allegory for Christ; Aslan dies saving the children and Narnia from the evil of the witch, but returns to life stronger than ever--Like Christ. The Witch is symbolic of Satan....Even when you get down to the end of the chronicles, like "The FInal Battle", it's an allegory to the Apocalypse and of false doctrines... Lewis was a magnificient author. One of the best, in my opinion.

Robby: I would say that if someone stops liking a book because they discover it's a Christian allegory, than they are truly shallow people indeed, and are unfortunately not individuals who are respectful of others beliefs/opinions.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:17:07 AM
IP: 207-172-87-93.s93.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Jenna> (Re Narnia Chronicles) Yeah, right you are. I'm not even that religious at all, but it bothers me when I hear acquaintances say that they quit liking those books once they learned that they were Christian allegories. If they don't like them as THAT, can't they enjoy them for what they are, on the surface -- namely, a great story for kids and their parents? :)
Pogo
Monday, September 27, 1999 11:54:43 PM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

Servaius Jr.--that is really unfortunate that some people are against Tolkin and Lewis--esp. Lewis. His chronicles of narnia basically tells pieces of the bible acurately in allagory-- all the way to using the same images. (Aslan is a lion-- and one term used for Christ in the Bible is the "Lion of Judea" Coincidink? Think not!!

The biggest objection the zealots have is the use of magic in these stories. I don't think God has a problem with it-- if anything, usually the way the zealots act is full of such malaice, I think He would be asahmed of them. (But that's just my personal opinon)

It is also amazing how ignorant these zealots are about the bible as well. The forget that there are adult sections of the bible that deal with incest, rape and murder. Check out Judges 19. Talks about the gang rape of a concubine, her murder, and then her master cutting up her body to bits. Israel is so disgusted by this act, that they go to war over it. Amazing how many zealots dont' know about this little tidbit or about Lot's daughters....

Lewis recieved alot of critism for "the Screwtape letters" which was a religious book, but written from the point of view of a demon. It pointed out the vast levels of hypocrasy in organized religion. It was seen as satanic by some.

Some people cannot see the forest from the trees......

Lewis gave me comfort during my parent's divorce-- he remains with me as an influence, even today. hope this rambling didn't bore anyone--
jenna
Monday, September 27, 1999 11:22:42 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-68.hstntx.swbell.net

You know I've got lots to do when I'm posting this frequently...

The ReBoot comment> Two of my friends and I went down to raid the Safeway the weekend before classes started; Marriott wasn't at their best, which isn't that great to begin with. One of my friends and I got into a discussion about ReBoot, and good-looking animated characters (a concept that the third member of our group didn't get at all), and she remarked that Enzo (the grown-up version, of course) was probably pretty well hung. We scared the living daylights out of everyone else in the frozen-foods section, we were laughing so hard. And we have yet to let her forget about that comment.

Sarge> Oh, for the love of... that really sucks. **produces a huge mallet the size of a Buick and crushes DC's spine with it** Feel better? :)

I've got about a hundred more pages of Edith Wharton to read, so I'd better go... at least it's not Billy Budd...
Mandolin
Monday, September 27, 1999 11:07:37 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Toku> I was only using the Etrigan example to showcase Timm's ignorance, he was quick to bash mythology, but his own show had a mythology episode
shogun raptor
Monday, September 27, 1999 11:01:58 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Alright. I'm going to make this as brief as possible, because if I don't I'll wind up dismembering someone. I don't want to dwell on this and bring the room down, so I'll just keep the relevant things up and about.

This regards Lexy, my Liz-chan.
One month ago, Lexy's mom decided she should switch to a "free" internet servive provided through Alta Vista.

Lexy complied. She went through everything Alta Vista asked of her as well. The one detail everyone neglected to mention, was that she didn't get to choose her dial up number. It was assigned. It turned out to be a Milwauke phone number ... a long distance call.

She received a phone bill for $1,200 today.
All Hell broke loose. Things will right themselves ... but Lexy won't be online for an indefinite amount of time. Anyone who needs to get in contact with her can ask me for her snail mail addy, or at least relay your messages through one of her friends.

I know, it seems very unfair. But this is basically at the discression of Bell ... and Bell is big ... to big to stop or reason with. This is screwed.

Trust me though, we'll get by, but just understand why she won't be around for a while.

If I'm not around for a while, it'll be obvious why. Don't worry about me. I'm not about to anything stupid. The most extreme thing on my mind right now is to redirect my Christmas travel funds towards this bill. I'll be ok, and I'm sure Liz-chan appreciates your support.

Good night, everyone.
Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, September 27, 1999 10:57:30 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Jewel > look for a book called the 1999 Guide to Literary Agents (or the 2000 one, which should be coming out anytime). Very detailed and helpful listings.

Frolicsome Matings > this one's just a maybe, guys, settle down! ; ) As for why the idea, it seemed to grow from discussions about how Angela and the rest comported themselves on Avalon, plus the opportunity to torture sweet innocent little Aiden (others have remarked that Brooklyn seems to be taking more of an interest in teasing and flirting with her lately). I just wonder what would happen if Angela broached the subject of a fun-filled evening ... Brooklyn would probably go for it, and I imagine Lex might be intrigued, but how would they talk Aiden into it? ; )

Durid > Sterling House has not offered me a contract for the other books, and given my disappointing experiences with them in terms of CotSB, the now older-and-wiser Christine would probably turn them down. But Tim and I have been batting around other possibilities, and might eventually decide to just do it ourselves. What's important to me right now isn't making scads of money (not that I'd turn it down, hey, I'm no dummy!) or having bestsellers (which fantasy authors generally don't), but the enjoyment that comes from having people whose opinions I value be able to read and own my books. We figure that a print run of a thousand copies would probably sell, maybe even turn a profit, and it would mean the people who've been clamoring for more of Cat and Arien's adventures would have the chance to read them. Then, who knows, maybe someday when I've had better luck (maybe if Black Roses sells; this one could be a biggie if only if only, it'd make a great movie too), other publishers might be interested in buying second rights or something.

Blue's Clues > I'm really trying _not_ to do this one, but when I mentioned it to a few folks in hopes they'd talk me out of it, instead I got encouragement and a smirking "Is Slippery Soap going to be in it?" ... I should have known better ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, September 27, 1999 10:45:03 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Where were we in the RP again? Has the Phalanx fight begun yet?

Batman comments: Oh my...*SIGH* I really wish that Bruce hadn't said those things. You know why? If this offends some of you, I'm sorry:
I'm sorry that he said those things cause now this opens up the floor for all the Batman haters to just have free reign.

I know that there are some folks in the comment rooms (I'm not pointing fingers) that really didn't care for the Batman or Superman shows, and that's okay. But I also think that some of those same folks will be quick to judge the SHOW, and not the MAN who made the comments. I've already heard some stuff like "Well, I never did like Superman anyway!" and the like. I beg of you, as a man who holds Batman supreme above almost all other Gods--please don't bash Batman cause of Bruce Timm. Please don't try and come up with long, researched posts exposing every element of the Batman show that you feel shows it is an inferior product to Gargoyles. I'm not saying anyone in here will necessarily do that, but the gates, as they say, are open for anyone to take potshots. Please don't make derisive or snooty posts along the lines of "Batman is just a superhero show, Gargoyles is so much more sophisticated and intelligent!" Please, I beg of you. This may seem silly to some of you, but I....I love Batman. More so than even Gargoyles (and if anyone questions, I love Gargoyles a LOT. More so than is probably healthy for me).
Bruce Timm was, unfortunately, being a bit of a a-hole. I don't understand where he was coming from. I'd like to think he was merely misinformed (he doesn't seem to me like he's even watched a full episode of the show). I can't defend his comments, cause they were wrong. I'm pissed too. I just ask that, if the situation arises, you refrain from insulting his work, i.e. the Batman series. We are better than him. We do not need to stoop to his level.

Tolkien/Lewis: Waitta minute, did you say that some people think they are evil? What kind of f-ed up crap is this? First off, Tolkien has given us some of the most fantastic literature, *period*, in the past century. And Lewis was a brilliant author who's works are so wonderfully spiritual I'm shocked that someone would even think ill of them (read "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe", it's full of Bilblical metaphors and symbolism). A TV evangelist said something bad about them? I shouldn't be surprised. What the heck is wrong with them??

Sarge: Yeah, I would say that Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot is sorta corny. But it's a good kind of corny. I'm talkin' juicy, full of flavor Delmonte corny!!! :)

Naughty Pokemon: Like I said before, I was just waiting for the hentai pics to hit the web. It doesn't surprise me they got some naughty fic up already. But why choose Misty? I mean, God, she's supposed to be what, 10 on the show? Yeah, well she looks 10. Ugh, a Misty hentai pic is like....ugh, pedophilia. Yeeeccch.
Jesse on the other hand. Hmmm......;0P

Moment of silence for Marion Zimmer Bradley.....never read her stuff, but she deserves some respect.

Fire Storm: Why not a garg page? Look, I'm not trying to compete with the Gargoyle Fan Fiction Archive, or Station 8, but I've wanted to have my own Gargoyle fan site for, no kidding, 2 YEARS. Ever since I got regular net access. I've only just now begun to get serious about it. Why shouldn't I do a fan site? Do I need like, permission or something to build one?

Shogun: The gunfight in the Crow was much cooler. I miss Branden Lee...I've always thought he'd be a big star right now had he lived. R.I.P. Branden.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, September 27, 1999 10:44:41 PM
IP: 207-172-119-213.s213.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

***
Lets go of the Pheonix's tailfeather and drops to the ground, madly blowing his hands. "Piece of advise. When handling a Pheonix, wear a good pair of heat resistant gloves! HOT HOT HOT HHOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!!"
**********

Sylvia - I know exactly what you mean. Just when you have everything in order.....

Jenna - They actually killed both Gabrielle and Xena? I'm going to have to watch that episode!

Christine - Your look for another publisher? What happened to the one who published "Curse of the Shadow Beasts"?
Durid the Druid - [durid@uswest.net]
MN, USA
Monday, September 27, 1999 10:06:50 PM
IP: 63.224.11.230

Hellooooo, I really have nothing to post. Ummmmm... I started reading a really good book today for outside of school reading. It's called "The Rapture of Canaan" by Sheri Reynolds. Talk about the epitome of a religious person!

Coyote> I wrote on my list that your birthday is the 30th of September, but if I'm wrong... HAPPY BIRTHDAY! *kissy, huggy, smoochy, spanky, yadda yadda. I hope all your wishes come true. Isn't JackaL's b-day coming up soon as well?

I haven't said this in a while... OKIloveyoubyebye! :)
SOROW
Monday, September 27, 1999 10:04:09 PM
IP: dll2b409-45.splitrock.net

NEW CREATIVITY DEMON - Jar Jar Banks was actually created as a means of bringing about peace, harmony, and unification in the galaxy. Thanks to him, all other sentient beings in the galaxy would put aside their quarrels with each other and come together in mutual hatred against him . :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, September 27, 1999 09:45:29 PM
IP: 216.87.46.126.dialup-stl.primary.net

Green Baron> Obi One Bob? We ain't talking Bob Larson here are we? He's more Jar Jar Bob, whiny, noisy and utterly useless....
Skippy The Klingon
Monday, September 27, 1999 09:42:55 PM
IP: uv1-43.ultravision.net

Scary creatity demon: Matrix, AndrAIa and Frisket rebooting as team rocket
shogun raptor
Monday, September 27, 1999 09:37:47 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

and as for that new spider-man show, I friend of mine summed it up best" Spiderman unlimited, or as I call it, Spiderman beyond" all we need now is to have madame web instructing him via spideycomputer
shogun raptor
Monday, September 27, 1999 09:34:01 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

sorry "namby-pamby celtic fantasy cr@p" that's it, to paraphrase Vegeta! THIS GUY IS HISTORY!!! saay, now there's a fun thought, turn this joker over to that oh so familar P*ssed-off Saiyan
shogun raptor
Monday, September 27, 1999 09:30:52 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

Timm's exact words were "that celtic fantasy cr@p" and batman was(sacrastic tone) completely devoid of that *cough* Etrigan *cough*
shogun raptor
Monday, September 27, 1999 09:29:06 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Pheonix flies in.

Why is it that every time I say that I'll try to come more often, something comes up that I can't go on the internet for a long time? AGHHHHH! Anyway, Hello agains and uh, well, I guess I just wanted to come in for a few minutes.

Pheonix flies out
Sylvia - [Sylsy@msn.com]
Monday, September 27, 1999 08:58:17 PM
IP: 1cust236.tnt4.colorado-springs.co.da.uu.net

GARGOYLES CELS> Not sure if this is sufficiently "on topic," but I occasionally look for cels from the show (which I cannot afford, but hey). Usually I find either nothing or perhaps one or two cels. CLICK for a site that appears to have a bunch of them.
Pogo
Monday, September 27, 1999 08:46:35 PM
IP: fwnt.dw.dorseylaw.com

What happened? Hmmmm , strange. I'm sorry I haven't been here in the past few days , I kept trying to post on Saturday . but for some reason when I pressed submit it would go to the "if you have any problems , report..... blah blah blah " screen. It did that 4 times , then I just gave up.Not much to say right now , only that I hope that Pistoff doesn't leave , sorry , I don't know what happened after Robby did the recap.

Manners-Okay guys , Either tonight or tomorrow a friend of mine said she's coming here to meet you guys , it's at times like this that I wish that this was a chat room.Her names Angela and she's a bjork lover and Garg-liker. She's my ,a-hem, On-line girlfriend. Okay. I want to know really quick if there's a way that any of you that want to meet her could go to the chat room at the same time we're in there. Probaly not . Anyway I want you guys to be easier on her , Although she'll probaly take the sanity-sucker better than I did. Actually , don't worry about that. Just treat her like you would anybody else.

WHAT-OKAY FILL MY IN THE @$$HOLE THAT SAID THAT GARGOYLES WAS CRAP, SO I CAN GO OVER THERE AND KICK HIM IN THE NUTS!! [Eric Cartman filling in for me.]
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Monday, September 27, 1999 08:20:21 PM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

what
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Monday, September 27, 1999 08:04:56 PM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

BATYA - Very lovely poem. Thank you for sharing it with us.

THE CREEPER - WB also did a little bit of self-plagiarism in that episode; I'm referring to the bit where Creeper quotes Mindy from "Animaniacs" in his "Okay, I love you, bye-bye!" line. (Not that it's the first time; I recall Barbara Gordon/Batgirl quoting from "Pinky and the Brain" in one episode - "Same thing we do every night, Pinky" - much to Bruce Wayne's bewilderment).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, September 27, 1999 07:14:53 PM
IP: 216.87.46.55.dialup-stl.primary.net

Am I nuts, or was it Yahoo that prided itself on how kiddie friendly they were? Type Hentai and see how many matches come up.

Question of the day: Which was better, the gunfight in The Crow, or the one in The Matrix?

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, September 27, 1999 06:11:12 PM
IP: ppp-187.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Cool! It did it! Well here is the comments of Saturday morning cartoonies!

Digimon: Good show. I can't wait until they all get back to the main island and face up to Devimon again. I wonder why this show appeals to me.

Pokemon: I seem like a kid to like these shows, but hey I don't care. This episode was a good one with mewtwo in it! I wonder why there is all this robotic stuff all over him? I think that the upcoming movie is based on him.

Beast Machines: The Graphics are so cool and much better, ecept for the constant liquid explosions. The old show did better with explosions. And I loved the old music, instead of the new tracks. I think the show will come out okay.

Godzilla: Ughhh the season is going to be boring......

Rusty and Big: I didn't see this show, it seemed corny, is it?

Spiderman 2099: I am not looking foward to this show. Good guys do not need new technical stuff just to be cool! I loved the old series and wondered why they eneded it....will they explain what happened to Mary Jane? Why is Brock (Venom) bad again? He seemed to have turned good in the last series. And the cartoon drawing is horrible...(in my opinion....still never judge a book by its cover....

Well gotta go! Bye!

Sarge
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Monday, September 27, 1999 06:04:16 PM
IP: spider-tf071.proxy.aol.com

****RANT WARNING!!!!**********

Okay here it goes. I've been waiting forever for the construction on my house to finish because it is driving me crazey that I have to answer my mail four days at a time. And this is really annoying because I joined so many mailing lists! UGHH! Then when I finally did get on at my dad's church I found out I had a hundread letters, most of which I had to delete! Which reminds me, if anyone sent anything e-mail me back....heh heh. Then I was waiting forever in my dad's office because I couldn't go anywhere and I fell asleep on the floor waiting for my family back home to get off the interent, once I did get back on I added my stress to the bunch of mail and the fact that my fan-fics at someone's site wasn't put up yet after five months! Then I was typing for this chat room about this rant and a bunch od comments, and then I was knocked off-line after I written a lot! I was really mad and had to cool off and then I came home and had tomato soup which burned my mouth, plus we almost ran over my poor cat this morning!...sniff...

*****END RANT********EXCUSE THE SPELLING MISTAKES

WEll I'll reply later tommorow after the room has been cleaned!

BYE Fer now!

Hey...I sent this and for some reason I got an error message saying the CR room was in use. Dunno if someone was sending a message at the same time or else the room was cleared. If it was I'd be first...but that's false hope

Okay I tried it again...good thing the computer didn't erase everything I wrote.....

Okay.....this is a third time!!!! One more try...I'd beter copy all this just to be safe......

Fourth time...there is probably some stupid reason why there is an error....maybe the room is filled....I notice a lot of messages lately...what's been going on? I didn't read it all.....

FIFTH TIME AND I'M ABOUT TO START RANTING AGAIN!

Sixth time...it says to report it to the webmaster of the site......who is that? I don't really know.......anyway there's a problem......

seventh time! I 'd be red if it turns out that I've been sending it each time and as it turns out I've posted this seven times alredy.....If i had I apologize GREATLY!!!

eigth time....ughh.....I don't get it....there is always an error when I send this and I always come back and add a tab on and wait for a few seconds before sending this....

NINTH TIME! @$^)&^!$&#@ RANT RANT RANT@#)(*#&$#@ I'm going to try ONE MORE TIME! and if it doesn't work, I'll be copying this and post the letter up again...

Tenth...ALRIGHT....I'll jes' be cursing at the error window which says it's being used....(whatever that means)....meantime I'm going to post this up later...with all these error mentions attached ......what a day...

Well I'm back and hopefully it will post it up without any trouble. I've waited a whole day! It should post up now...
If it does then prepare for a double post....
Ever imagined a furby that looks like Sarge? If you knew what Sarge looked like?
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Monday, September 27, 1999 05:57:00 PM
IP: spider-tf071.proxy.aol.com

Batman: I was watching BATMAN:TAS today and they had an episode with the Creeper in it. Now, I know that people say that the people who do Batman hate Gargoyles, but I have some evidence to the contrary:
1. Brooklyn voiced the Creeper
2. At the end of the episode, the castle was almost above the clouds (You had to see the episode to understand.)
3. He burst out from a winged statue.
To me, #3 is proof enough!

BTW... Does the Joker have any sex drive what so ever? Harley seductively slinked her way out of a pie singing Ms. Monroe's Happy Birthday song to Mr. J and he THREW HER OUT THE DOOR! Does he have anything, or is he a unic?
I have no idea HOW this episode got past S&P!

Deuce: ReBoot Porn: Man, I GOTTA find that site. Sounds too wierd to pass up! (PLUS, it would be a bonus if I could get the wireframes for Matrix and AndrAIa
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, September 27, 1999 05:36:34 PM
IP: 216.90.45.183

Batya-- awesome work!!!!
jenna
Monday, September 27, 1999 05:27:30 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

All-too-quick post from the bug-ugly X-Windows at the library....

Mandi> ["A friend of mine said something regarding Matrix in the supermarket..."] Elaborate when you have the time... but it sounds like something a friend of mine said regarding Goliath some months ago... I collapsed under the sheer weight of the mental imagery it thrust upon me....

Batya> *applauds* Bravo, bravo! EXCELLENT poem there.

Actually, I really shouldn't have read that, because I'm going to have to run like hell to catch my bus now. Damn.

** Deuce exits rapidly. **
Deuce - [inahurry@curtain.cjb.net]
Monday, September 27, 1999 05:17:12 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Hi all, it's time once again for my bimonthly posting! :)

Marion Zimmer Bradley: Oh no.
Truth to tell, I was never one of MZB's diehard fans and I have never agreed entirely with her worldview. But she was _the_ Magna Mater of the feminist fantasy genre, and she was the first to publish some of the finest writers I know -- who might have been dismissed as "scribbling women" by other publishers. Purely by virtue of how many people in the field she has influenced, she was one of the great ones.
Rest you gentle, Ms. Bradley.

Dune: The movie was made with little regard for story and even less regard for subtlety. It's one of the worst corruptions of a book I've ever seen ... second only to "The Neverending Story".

Harry Potter: I have GOT to get my hands these. Flipped through the first chapter and a half of the first one in a bookstore, and I'm well and truly hooked. (I suspect that the term "Muggle" will begin to replace "Mundane" among fantasy fans....)

Lastly for now: Click my name for my first independent piece based on the TGS cycle. No, it's not a fanfic ... it's a poem. [Disclaimer: The sentiments expressed in the poem do not necessarily reflect those intended by the TGS staff.]

G'night, rookery sibs. You know I love you.
Batya "The Toon" Wittenberg
Monday, September 27, 1999 04:58:02 PM
IP: s15h075.lab.qc.edu

Phew, being online is a good thing.
Long time no see, the computing center here at Bryn Mawr is inept.
I heard about Marion Zimmer Bradley today. She will be missed; she was, and always will be, one of the greats.

Irina - [iruden@brynmawr.edu]
Monday, September 27, 1999 03:13:37 PM
IP: peme-162.brynmawr.edu

Real quick post, and I'm breaking a promise.

Taleweaver> <<If you had to pick a recently dead guy for this project, why would you pick an insurance man?>> That confused me too, although if they didn't, that shoots down the entire premise... and it depends on availability. Volunteers - sane volunteers - might be hard to find, not to mention another accident victim better suited to the job. Besides, after thinking about it, I sort of got the impression that the project was rushed. Maybe these senators got a little impatient and wanted some results they could see, otherwise they'd pull their funding. $3 billion is already a hefty sum. So to keep the program running, they might have gone for the first possible sane and intelligent donor who was in no position to refuse the deal. Okay, I'm pulling all that out of thin air, but I'm trying to avoid work now.

Reboot and fantasies> A friend of mine said something regarding Matrix in the supermarket... it sent us into hysterics, you can probably get a general idea of what she said, and I can't go into details now since I need to head off to a conference with a prof. But we were giving her weird looks for the rest of the day. :)
Mandolin
Monday, September 27, 1999 02:25:58 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Green Baron- yeah I think they are dead, they will probally be back next season though....thought it was cool that they actually killed them though...

Jannie-- probally I'd like to end up in one of those little towns near San Marcus- out in the middle of nowhere of course-- ah, the silence of the country-- when my neightbors in the apt beneath us go at it (fighting I mean- and enough to call the cops out) I really miss it the most...

jenna
Monday, September 27, 1999 02:05:20 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

RP WARNING!!
**Grand Canyon, Arizona
Atop a plateu sits Darth Clinton, when Obi One Bob appears in his robe armed only with a laser pen. Darth Clinton takes out a cigar and holds teh middle, while two beams come out of each end of the cigar. Darth Clinton coninues swinging his cigar sabre at Bob, but Bob deflects each hit with his laser pen.**
END RP for now!!

Requiest in Pacem Marion Zimmer Bradley

Janine> Predjiduce exists everywhere, but it seems the little redneck hamlets are just more open about it, and more violent in expressing it. Northern Louisiana is about as hicksville. Now, Southern Louisiana has some nice friendly cajuns in the bayous, I guarontee :)

Jenna> You mean Xena and Gabrielle are actually dead, permanently? Well, getting crucified upside down is even more painful.

Kitainia> There are soem nuts who think Tholkein's books and CS Lewis's were works of evil. I admit the world view in Tholkein is odd sinc ehe's catholic, but CS Lewis was a very devout and conservative Anglican. I guess the televangelists will next go after St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas :(

SJ> You can count me in. I will send you some pics and some of Attila :) Thansk for the info on George C. Scott

Pistoff> I actually liked that angle fo Christine's stuff, though probably because it involved Demona :)

Stephen> SOROW sums it up well. Food is teh easiets choice for most people in making sacrifices. My former roomate who is Methodist also gives something up, and I have soem Lutheran and Episcoapl friends who practice Lent. It seems that none of the more recent Protestant faiths (1830 and after)practice it. I wonder why.

Deuce> Well, yeah, I guess I can't argue with you about my hair :)

Now, I'm off to eat. Food!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:47:24 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102

Well, my car's back in the shop again. Either I have an oil leak, a coolant leak, or maybe both. I dunno. What I do know is that my battery has come lose and in now sort of free floating in the engine compartment.

Other then that, it was an okay weekend. Saturday was a waste, but sunday... A SAAS meeting. The one time a month I get to pretend I have a life. It was like my dream schedule. Kenshin, Fushigi Yuugi, Marmalade Boy, Child's Toy, Maison Ingoku, most of my faves. And I got to wear my leather pants. ;)

But the highlight was a fandub called... (everyone brace yourself) Neon Genesis Southpark. Truely, it must be seen to be believed.

Plus, I found out that the Pokemon Mall Tour is coming here this coming weekend. They're bringing the Pikachu bug! I'm gonna go look for a plushie Nine Tails.

Christine> So we're not going to be seeing "Jesse's Awakening" anytime soon? :( (Kidding)

jewel> I'll have to try those. Carmina Barona would probably work pretty well too.

Doug> What I said about Benny was a joke reference to Kevin J. O'Connor's character in The Mummy. And American Beauty is already out? Dang, I've gotta get over to see it but fast.

Zath> When I was under some pretty bad stress in Jr. High, I started going grey at the temples. It's sorta receded now tho'. And does the book give instructions? I wanna be a were-jackal in the worst way.

Deuce> Hey, don't feel bad. You can see my ribs no matter what I do.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:46:31 PM
IP: ppp-187.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Jenna> Yes, the hill country is very nice :) A bit rocky for my taste though. I really like the Tyler area myself *g*
Ahhh yes, living in the country... I grew up most of my life on a farm in Missouri (after being ripped from the bossom of my home land, Texas). It was great though ;) I mentioned living out away from others when the time comes, but Denis informed me that he was strictly a "city guy" *L* I really don't care either way - both has it's advantages/disadvantages. :) Which area of the Hill country would you like to live in?

Is there no safe haven? Leave Pokemon alone! ;) Heh, the ideas do seem pretty funny though... hehehehe

Off to torture more young and innocent minds... *picks up grade book and red pen before walking out*
Jannie
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:43:32 PM
IP: 168.171.196.164

[enters the channel with a stand of white roses with a single black one in the center, placing it in the near corner with a holy cross]

In memorandum... Marion Zimmer Bradley. Writer, Pioneer, Mother, Guide. You will be missed...

****

POKEMON NAUGHTY FIC - Actually, this has been touched on already. Parusing a archive called "Sakura Lemon Archive", I found no less than ten Pokemon 'lemon' fic: most involving Ash and Misty, but a few that involved Misty and assorted Pokemon monsters... including Pikachu.

Also, for some reason, someone on one of the old alt.binaries newsgroups sent me a hentai Pokemon picture of Misty (which I deleted, so don't ask!)... it goes to show, folks. Something becomes popular enough, someone is bound to try to make naughty stuff from it. :/ Go fig...

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:33:25 PM
IP: m21.ieway.com

D'OH!!!! Now click.
Deuce
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:30:51 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

It's so c-c-cold in here... why don't they ever heat the friggin' school?

** Deuce points at the fireplace, and it bursts into flames. He walks over, and sits down right in front of the hearth. **

Mandi> Thanks for the names... I watched it at around 11:30 Friday night; the plot stuck, but the character names didn't. :-)

Coyote> ["...those fantasies by now have probably been replaced with AndrAIa..."] Oh, God, that reminds me... I saw some ReBoot porn site a while back... ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. This site was a reason to license 3D modelling software, let me tell you....

Adult fics: I've written some, but damned if I'm showing them to anybody. "Embarrassing" just isn't the word.

Moment of silence for Marion Zimmer Bradley.

...

Click my name to go to a REALLY disturbing site. Links are kinda tough to find, but I think you'll manage.

Let me say this: Radiohead makes kick-ass music, but I would not want to meet them IRL.

** Deuce leaves, pulling on a heavy winter coat. **
Deuce - [absolutezero@curtain.cjb.net]
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:30:18 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Bruce Timm Interview > Click my name see the interview at "The Critical Eye."

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:11:11 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Pistoff-- sent you and em, did you get it-???
jenna
Monday, September 27, 1999 12:39:12 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

*leaves everblooming flowers for Marion Zimmer Bradley*

There goes a gracious lady -- I remember her Darkover books fondly and especially her anthologies that featured the early works of such unknowns as Mercedes Lackey and Elizabeth Moon. She will be missed.
Spike
Monday, September 27, 1999 11:39:15 AM
IP: pppt01-152.ght.iadfw.net

jannie- yeah, east texas can be pretty bad, but I think small towns everywhere can have a tendancey to be more prejudice, and backward-- I must say, I do like Texas though-- esp the hill country-- Mike and I hope to live out there some where-- I think Texas is becoming one of the few places left where you can live in the country away from everyone-- which is what we want eventually, our little house in the country-- yeah, I know it's cheasy--

Pokemon and incest?????!!!!! -- uh, can I say this loud enough-- YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK!!!!!!!!! This is a children's show first and formost, and should be left as that in my opinion-- it's charming like it is-- and one of the best shows out there that's wholesome but not dull-- leave it to the japanesse.

Saw the season finale for Xena the other day, in which she and Gabriel are crucified on the ides of march. I haven't watched this show in several years for various reasons, one of which the way it turned into a goofy, gay soap- opera. But this was a damn good ep. I can't believe the writers actually had the guts to go through with killing off both Xena and Gabrielle. The later was not the whiney girl I remeber from years ago, and I liked her better. The violence of the actually crucifiction was incredibly well done- in a way that portrayed how painfull execution by that method was, and yet, not glorifying it.

more later>>>>
jenna
Monday, September 27, 1999 11:14:58 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

**Moment of silence for Marion Zimmer Bradley** Ack, there goes the second celebrity. (George C. Scott was the first.) Wonder who the third will be, they usually come in threes. :(

Todd: Interesting creativity demon. Of course Bruce will probably have to find out about such a thing through Powers's son now, unless of course they bring back Blight. WB probably wouldn't get much into it <sigh, but still it's a very good idea.

Warpmind: I meant physically ill people, of course.

Gotta run now, later.
Kit
Monday, September 27, 1999 09:52:44 AM
IP: pool-209-138-163-18.dlls.grid.net

**Warpmind walks in with a glass of imported ale in his hand.**
Here's to ye, Marion Zimmer Bradley, and Thank Ye.
**Downs the glass and throws it into a fireplace that miraculously appears at the right space/time coordinates.**

Hmmm... admittedly, I cannot recall having ever read Mists of Avalon, but I figure it's about time... I think my father has a copy somewhere.

Typical. It's toad breeding season here now, and my nine-iron is back at my folks' place. Just typical.

Well, the bell has rung, and so I must begone.

Leter, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, September 27, 1999 08:01:06 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Count me as another person who doesn't like the way that Terry and Bruce, who are supposed to be the main characters, tend to get marginalized in "Batman Beyond", although that is the inevitable hazard in conventional super-hero stories. (A lot of the present-day "Batman" episodes struck me as having a similar tendency to make Batman more into a linking character than a central character). I certainly admit that this series definitely isn't the "worthy successor to 'Gargoyles'" that we've all been longing for.

By the way, I do have an odd little creativity demon/hypothesis about this series which could make a good episode, but I don't think that we're likely to see it. It stemmed from my noting something about Batman; in the original series, it's pretty clear that he's the one thing ensuring Gotham City not being renamed "Jokerville" or something like that, given how serious the crime problem is there and how much even the police can't handle it. So that raises the question; how did Gotham survive for the twenty years between Bruce Wayne hanging up his pointy-eared hood and Terry taking on the role? One possibility was that Batman might have made some sort of difference by the time of his last adventure that the city could manage without him, if just barely. But I've got another idea.

Remember how in the first episode, Terry mentioned that the police were pretty chummy with Derek Powers? That rather disturbed us since Barbara Gordon heads the Gotham police at this point and we certainly didn't like the notion of her working with that corrupt CEO. But I had an odd little idea. Picture this. After Bruce Wayne stops being Batman, the Gotham City police find themselves seriously swamped with a heavy crime wave, no longer able to have Batman for an ally. Derek Powers sees the situation, and decides to turn it to his own advantage. He offers his services in helping the police - maybe constructing a lot of high-tech equipment for them, or something like that - and while Barbara or whoever is Police Commissioner at the time doesn't really trust him, she knows that she doesn't have much of a choice. In this way, Derek is able to gain some sort of hold over the police through being their supplier, and strengthens his control over Gotham thereby.

The interesting part about this is the potential that it gives us for an episode. What if Bruce Wayne were to discover that by just quitting the Batman role, and without finding anything to replace him (something that some viewers brought up), he helped Derek Powers become stronger and become the behind-the-scenes master of Gotham? That Derek Powers' control of Gotham is partly thanks to him? That could be very interesting to see.

MARION ZIMMER BRADLEY - Sorry to hear about her passing.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, September 27, 1999 07:55:34 AM
IP: 216.87.46.77.dialup-stl.primary.net

Kitania <<Harry Potter books: Suprisingly, it's not just kids who like that series. I too have read and enjoyed them (so has Doug). They are very well-written, with excellent plots and character development. Probably the best children's books out these days. :) By saying they're evil, Bob Larson has IMO proved how much his head is stuck up his you-know-where.>> Well, Bob did have rectal surgery a coulpe years ago (I know this only because Bob was using this to beg for more money) so I guess the doctors didn't correct that cranial-rectal inversion problem...

Ihaven't had a chance to read the Harry Potter books, I saw an ad for them at B. Dalton. I might have to check them out.

Marion Zimmer Bradley. She will defintly be missed, I loved Mists of Avalon....

Skippy The Klingon
Monday, September 27, 1999 07:52:41 AM
IP: uv1-52.ultravision.net

Hi all!!

It seems that I wasn't the only one who couldn't post last night.

*Reads Theresa's post*oh dear...a Moment of silence for Marion Zimmer Bradley....

Pistoff:Bruce Timm calling Gargoyles "crap": Ladies and Gentlemen, I do believe we have our next Joyride target! :)>>You took the words right out of my mouth there bud!>:)

Pistoff again:Ahhh!! the Assassins website does it again:) (Is it just me or are they getting more imaginative by the day)

Coyote:Happy Birthday!

Zath:I just started reading a book called The Anubis Gates. The very first couple of pages involve someone using a a spell from the scroll of Thoth to summons Anubis into his body and he ends up turning into a were-jackal. Does this sound familiar to anyone else? ; ) Then, the next several pages go on to talk about time travel by means of passing through random holes connecting different points in time/space, which sounded a lot like Greg's explanation of how Brooklyn would travel in Timedancer. Who knows what the rest of the book will hold. I wonder if anyone on the Gargs team was a Tim Powers fan...>>That would be a good question for Ask Greg,I'd love to hear Greg's reply.

Wilek:Anyone here ever see the movie Dune? Weird (but kewl) little film. Inspired a few things for my own fics. ^_^>>I did!,You've gotta' love the Harkonnen>:)BTW did you know that H.R.Giger did the artwork for that movie(Mostly the house Harkonnen scenes if I remember)and that Patrick Stewert's plays a minor roll in the movie as well.

Wilek again:I need help. :P>>You sound fine to me>:)

Warpmind:You had you ears syringed? You mean like with that water gun? Ugh.>>Yeah that's the one,it's not the first time I've had them syringed either but it was worse when he put those long tweezers in my ear*starts cringing at the memory of cold metal inside my head*

shogun raptor:I have no idea what Blue's clues is but I loved that creativity demon:)

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Monday, September 27, 1999 07:16:29 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

ANST - Marion Zimmer Bradley: Mourning Song
Sincerely,
F. Havas
Dallas, Texas
motto: Numquam scribae ridente fide
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike C. Baker <kihe@ticnet.com>
To: <ansteorra@Ansteorra.ORG>
Cc: <elfsea@Ansteorra.ORG>; <central@Ansteorra.ORG>;
<adult_gamer-l@vetl.org>; <minstrel@pbm.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 1999 7:17 PM Subject: ANST - Marion Zimmer Bradley: Mourning Song
Apologies in advance to those who may receive more than one copy of the following. There are sorrowful things to relate, and reactions to be recorded as well.
Sir Galen of Bristol had forwarded the following to the Ansteorran mailing list
I have word, forwarded from the Caid list, that Marion Zimmer Bradley, author of _Mists of Avalon_ and the Darkover series (the lady who named the Society for Creative Anachronism), has suffered a heart attack and is presently in Alta Bates Hospital in Berkeley, CA.
According to sources close to the situation in California, Marion Zimmer Bradley passed from this existence to her next last evening (Saturday, September 25th, A.D.1999).
Author, editor, mother, teacher, and oh so much more, "Mama Marion" will be indeed missed.
The following composition is from the heart, composed upon the instant, and in no way meant to encompass all that this woman has meant, and by every measure STILL means, to the Society, to fans everywhere, and to her closest friends and loving family. It is only the first of my responses.
Would someone please forward this poem to the household in California?
��* * * * *
��Mourning: "Mama Marion"
��written by Mike C. Baker,
��known also as Rev. Kihe Blackeagle (the Dreamsinger Bard)
��and al-Sayyid Amr ibn Maid al-Bakri al-Amra
��September, AD1999, being Anno Societatis XXXIV
Lifetime of learning has gone on her way Departed the body, left here the cold clay But legacies of thought and ten lifetimes of lore Have passed into our keeping ere she left this shore.
��And the packbeasts mewl soft in their stable � � And the riderbeasts in their corral
��Their mistress strides roads where hooves cannot follow � � But our thoughts can, and evermore shall
Dwellers in mists and the dancers on tides Merchants on highroad and some poets besides Healers with thoughtforms and medical arts Chroniclers of unseen: all now play smaller parts.
��And the huntbirds cry harsh in the closed mews � � And the canines howl out at the moons
��Their mistress now ranges before them
��And her legacy lives on in tunes
She gave us Society's naming and more
She gave of herself, and knew well the full score: Laying no debts, she accepted them still, And so gave our thought-words new will.
��And the writers will pound on their keyboards � � And the singers will fumble their strings � � What's been long expected no more has rejected � � Soft night has spread out her kind wings
Now, the filkers will sing soft of Heller's cold night And the huxters sell tales of bold spaceships in flight The trufen remember, and the fringefen will know, Avalon's Lady can now watch the whole show.
��Marion, "Mama", we'll miss you
��Your kind words, and harsh, and brave smile � � Rest now, you have given us lifetimes
��We'll see you beyond the last mile.
��* * * * *
��Pax in requiescat, Mater Marion --
��may the Powers grant
��that you have taught us all enough.
Mike C. Baker
SCA: al-Sayyid Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC
��(the DreamSinger Bard)
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em
Anonymous
Monday, September 27, 1999 06:52:47 AM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

Jenna> I have just returned from Louisiana for the weekend where I had to drive east Texas - going and coming. It sickens me to think of what that poor man must have experienced before he died. I'm glad that Texas is a "if you do the crime, we'll fry your arse" kind of state. Even being caucasian, I even get nervous driving thru some of those small towns in east Texas. I put my windows down and slide Lee Greenwood's Patriotic Songs CD in the player and crank up the volume. Don't want anyone to mistake me for a non-supporter of the grand ol' USA. ;) God Bless America, beer and G.I. Joe!
It is an embarassment to the state of Texas that such hate crimes still exist..... we can always hope that the scumbags were from a different state and had recently just moved here, because this makes my Texas blood boil. But, I'm sure that they are going to make some Bruno a nice "girlfriend" in prison ;) Rednecks such as those slimes hate homosexuals as bad as they hate other races.... heh, poetic justice at the very least. :)

Pistoff> Ack! I hit a dead hole on the cell phone on Friday... ironically just as I was going thru the heart of "east Texas redneck country" o_O Then again, just as well, I couldn't hear you very well over Lee Greenwood singing, "Proud to Be An American" ;) I have missed you and look forward to seeing you again asap. Sorry I missed you when I called Sunday. Have a funny story to tell you about what happened at the campfire...it consists of gunpowder, my butt, and a fox tail ;) *hugs* love ya, Rocketman ;)!

After spending the weekend in the back woods of northern Louisiana, I kiss the ground of civilization and the metro of Houston. Must admit, the silence of the woods was pleasant and a welcomed change. :) Could have lived without the racoon sticking it's head in my tent though O.o But back to reality and the soothing sound of automobiles, sirens, neighbors screaming, FBI helicopters, trains, and Immigration 'copters flying overhead with spotlights =)
AAHhh yes, city life! I'll see like a baby now *g*
Jannie
Monday, September 27, 1999 06:13:25 AM
IP: 196-226.c.esc4.net

FS> <<Pok�mon/incest: What an odd combination...>> "Hey, you got your Pokemon in my incest!" "Hey, you got your incest in my Pokemon!" Both: "Two great tastes that taste great together!"

I need help. :P
Wilek
Monday, September 27, 1999 04:49:07 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

SJ: Out of curiousity, WHY are you creating a Gargoyles website complete with fan-fic archive?

Deuce: <Hell, man, _I_ was fantasizing about her later. o_O>
Can't say I blame ya!

Pok�mon/incest: What an odd combination...

<ACKNOWLEDGE\\SUBMIT>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, September 27, 1999 04:23:40 AM
IP: 216.90.45.177

Hi, all.
Time for a few replies.

Hair problems: Not many of those here. I usually have my hair cut to a length of 3-6 mm (that is about 1/8-1/4 inch). Very comfortable in the summer heat.

Robby: Okay, sorry. Consider me backed off/stepped down/whatever. I shall not speak of this debate again.

The Christine Pok�mon/incest debate: It's probably Pok�mon she won't touch. Technically, the relationship between Demona and Jericho... well, you know.

Stephen King Vengeance: Oh, I always *knew* he had it in him somewhere. Personally, I would have done the same if I had the money (in such a situation).

Wilek: Sniffle... Trilobyte is history? Aw, shoot. I LIKED 7th Guest.

Xanathar: You had you ears syringed? You mean like with that water gun? Ugh.

Adult rated fics: Well... I'd write some, only I chicken out all the time. I'm currently writing my 13th fic (No, it's not about a friday, or a guy in a hockey mask), and I STILL haven't gotten around to what I intended to happen *early* in my saga: letting Manxine seduce Lexington. Oh, well, I'll get around to it, I guess.

Christine: Interesting list of future fics... I gotta see that pun.

Kitania: When you said Sick People In Here, did you mean physically ill or...

Wilek: I saw Dune. The book was better, believe me. Waaaaay better. Never got around to the rest of'em, though.

Ok, gotta go now, but at least I got those replies out of the way. Gotta see about that Joyride, then, eh, guys?

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, September 27, 1999 03:24:48 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**RP!**

[The team that was sent to the Dark Star II (except for Decius, who stays behind to assimilate the station) is now on their way to Egypt, to defeat the Phalanx stationed there and to rescue SJ's dad, when the transport containing the Borg troops, battle droids, and much of Wilek's team (including Wilek himself) appears on their ship's sensors. Wilek: "Hey! I guess things went well on the Dark Star II." SJ: "We came, we saw, we kicked its butt. <grins> The Administrator's boy-toy is busy claiming the station for the Collective. Oh, and we got a new ally. Say hello to Musoke Punzara Noying, aka the Black Tiger." Wilek: "Noying, eh? Any relation?" Black Tiger: "He's my father." Wilek: "Um...huh?" Kari: "It's a long story..."]

**END RP!**

Anyone here ever see the movie Dune? Weird (but kewl) little film. Inspired a few things for my own fics. ^_^

Christine> <<it's _Pokemon_ I don't plan to touch fic-wise! Blue's Clues, maybe, but not Pokemon.>> Um...a Blue's Clues fic...?! <shudders violently> Frolicsome Matings...? Could you be a little MORE obvious, please? :P j/k <<one down, three to go in terms of pending rejection letters for Black Roses>> Ack. Publishers are idiots anyhow. :P

Jaden> <<'So you feel like you're being symbolically cast-...in a bad light.' (The doll was from a Babylon 5 memorabilia emporium)>> I loved that ep. <hehehe> And I found myself wishing there was a real store like that; I'd pay a *great* deal for one of those Kosh figures I could have sworn I saw on the shelves. (They have smaller ones, but I'm talking about the ones that were like a foot tall, like the old G.I. Joes.) Not to mention a B5 model (When, Ertl, WHEN?!!).

Robby> <<Strange... I didn't wipe the room...>> Umm...then who did...? o_o' <cue kreepy music>

Jewel> <<I'm about to start writing a novel (well, actually, three novellas that will be on a theme, so they'll get stuck together) and it's *guarenteed* to get me death threats if it gets published.>> Heh...I don't know whether to wish you luck getting it published or not. :P What's it about?

Shogun Raptor> <LOL> Now THAT would be an interesting Blue's Clues ep. >8)

Kitainia> Glad you're feeling better. :) <<Also enjoyed the new Beast Machines (damn, is Megatron's new look cool!) though I agree about its imperfections and hope they are soon resolved.>> Ah, Megatron. I haven't seen the show, but I've found a pic of Megatron in his new encounter suit thingie. Very kewl (and it helped me decide on a look for the encounter suits for some aliens from my ficverse). As for the imperfections...perhaps they're deliberate, intended to sidetrack the viewer so s/he'll be more surprised by something else they're planning. I might be--oops, better not say too much...

Pistoff> <<Bruce Timm calling Gargoyles "crap": Ladies and Gentlemen, I do believe we have our next Joyride target! :)>> YEAH! And while we're at it, we can get WB for pulling their Kids' WB shows from WGN. >:)

SJ> <<Bruce Timm's comments: Can somebody point me to the exact interview where he said whatever he said?>> I think part of it was in the S8 CR. I would copy it here, but the place needs more visitors. :) The gist of it was that he was asked about the possibilities for more serious animated series. Gargoyles was mentioned, and Bruce described the "entire premise" of Gargoyles as being "kind of namby-pamby anyway, with all that Celtic fantasy crap" (exact quote). >:( 'Fraid that's all I know. :/

Zath> <<I just started reading a book called The Anubis Gates. The very first couple of pages involve someone using a a spell from the scroll of Thoth to summons Anubis into his body and he ends up turning into a were-jackal. Does this sound familiar to anyone else? ; ) Then, the next several pages go on to talk about time travel by means of passing through random holes connecting different points in time/space, which sounded a lot like Greg's explanation of how Brooklyn would travel in Timedancer.>> Eh? Hm...does Greg know about this? I mean, that combined with King Renard and Queen Titania from Xyber 9...this is getting weird. <<now I'm thinking of ditching Geocities and finding some place that doesn't try to make me forfeit my copyright to my work when I post it>> Actually, I think they changed that; http://come.to/boycottyahoo has some details. (Although I won't be moving back anyhow; I prefer Spaceports. ^_^ )

Jenna> <<good sugestion about the CD burner- I think I'll do that!!>> Um...maybe you're thinking of Zath? :)

Blue Caeru> <<Oh, mea culpa... the fanfic archive seems fine now. When I had accessed it earlier today it was all weird. Oops.>> I went in earlier tonight and everything was listed four times--the authors, the fanfics, everything. It kinda made me dizzy. :P

Coyote> <<what looks like an odometer in his stomach>> I bet the implantation surgery was agonizing. :P In any case, let me be the...er, second...to wish you a happy birthday! ^_^ <ceremoniously presents him with a dual-blade Dath Maul-esque chainsaw staff thingie, wrapped with a cute ribbon and bow> This is to use on your more annoying and/or ignorant customers. >;) <<then again, those fantasies by now have probably been replaced with AndrAIa, considering she has a much more ... shall we say, *revealing* outfit.>> Heh...I'm not one to fantasize (my mind doesn't seem to want to work that way, which I don't mind), but if I did, it'd probably involve either Mouse or Hexidecimal (yes, Hexidecimal). <g>
Wilek Nereus
Monday, September 27, 1999 01:13:28 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Mandi: Thanks. Now it makes a lot more sense (and I really want to watch it too)! :)

Blue: I watch the Practice. It's a pretty good show. Not as good as LA Law or Ally McBeal IMO but still very entertaining.

Happy Birthday Coyote!
Kit
Monday, September 27, 1999 12:56:48 AM
IP: pool-207-205-150-63.dlls.grid.net

quick post

Kitainia- It's great that your feeling better. I hate colds, when I get them I can't sleep (sort of like right now), I can't think clearly, and I get annoyed more easily.

Pistoff- I can only hope so.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, September 27, 1999 12:27:08 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

**still sitting in the massage chair, an alarm goes off on him. Pulls up his shirt to reveal what looks like an odometer in his stomach, with two big digits. The odometer changes from "23" to "24."**

Midnight has hit. One more click gone on the ol' odometer ...

Shogun: Nice six degrees. I apologize for not keeping the page up ... things happen to interfere.

Wilek: Sure does. After all was said and done, three people had been fired, one had quit voluntarily, and our #2 parts manager is still in the hospital. Which leaves me with five consecutive days next week, the first four of which are *TEN* hour days.
The manager was nice enough to give me my B-day off, though ... :)

FS, Deuce re: Dot's song: I don't think there was a single male past puberty who wasn't fantasizing about Dot after *that* bit ... then again, those fantasies by now have probably been replaced with AndrAIa, considering she has a much more ... shall we say, *revealing* outfit. :)

Shogun again: You are certainly one twisted puppy, my friend ... I love it!! (Someone saw "Reawakenings" on Disney tonight, didntcha? :)

Christine: Hmm ... when'd ya get the idea for "Frolicsome Matings?" Just curious ...

Pissy: Yeah, that quote and a quick visit to customerssuck.com helped me immensely. :)

Mandolin: Yeep ... if drunken Mids are anything like your bargain-basement drunken sailor, you probably did the right thing in leaving. (years of mother's experience with drunken sailors, including my dad, bring me to *that* conclusion.)

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating once more**

I hope my wish comes true ...
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, September 27, 1999 12:21:26 AM
IP: modem87.i-is.com

Oh, mea culpa... the fanfic archive seems fine now. When I had accessed it earlier today it was all weird. Oops.
Blue Caeru
Monday, September 27, 1999 12:04:42 AM
IP: spider-tn012.proxy.aol.com

Kit> Glad you're feeling better! Man, I'll never forget how tired I was after getting the flu (2 or 3 times) a couple of semesters ago... grrr... that was also why I fell so far behind in my classes I had to withdraw completely, effectively making myself a college drop-out for a little while. *is smacked in the head by her Demon of Procrastination* Okay, I am not bitter, I am not bitter, I am not bitter...

Pistoff> I don't know if this'll make you feel any better, but my roomie and I are nice to delivery people and thank them. <:-)

"The Practice" > Anybody watch this? I only very recently got hooked on it, and I enjoyed the season premiere tonight.

Didn't all of Wyvernweb get funky? The fanfic section appears to have been wiped out.
Blue Caeru
Monday, September 27, 1999 12:01:12 AM
IP: spider-tn012.proxy.aol.com

Now and Again> My jury is still out on this one. Still too many questions on my part. If you had to pick a recently dead guy for this project, why would you pick an insurance man? Me, I'd choose a green baret or a blackops agent, not joe blow off the street. What does Michael bring to the group?
I didn't get the sense of menace from the agent, not like I'd get from Dr. Raines or CSM. I'll have to see the next episode to see if this all comes together.

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 11:59:25 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Servaures Jr. and Pissy-- I sent both of you guys an em!!

Been a long weekend here- my husband and I went on a walk on a bike trail - thinking it would loop around- and after 3.5 miles of walking, we asked some one if there was a way to get back where we started from-- we were told we simply had to turn around and walk back-- sooooooo three hours and 7 miles later- here we are alot worse for wear! Wooo-- are we tired!! :(

Wilek- good sugestion about the CD burner- I think I'll do that!!

jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 11:43:03 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-92-54.hstntx.swbell.net

I just started reading a book called The Anubis Gates. The very first couple of pages involve someone using a a spell from the scroll of Thoth to summons Anubis into his body and he ends up turning into a were-jackal. Does this sound familiar to anyone else? ; ) Then, the next several pages go on to talk about time travel by means of passing through random holes connecting different points in time/space, which sounded a lot like Greg's explanation of how Brooklyn would travel in Timedancer. Who knows what the rest of the book will hold. I wonder if anyone on the Gargs team was a Tim Powers fan...

And now for something completely different. Has anyone in here seen the movie "Happiness" from the guy who did "Welcome to the Dollhouse"? It's one freaky film...

Todd Jensen> <<Holmes's body is mentioned as having been preserved in honey>> Actually, I seem to recall hearing several old legends about various people's bodies being preserved in honey. I think one may have been Alexander the Great, but not sure.

jewel> <<"The Drawig of the Seven.">> Is it going to be anything like Stephen King's "The Drawing of the Three"?

Kitainia> Thank you : )

Pistoff> <> Go right ahead. : ) I was going to add your pics to my site, but now I'm thinking of ditching Geocities and finding some place that doesn't try to make me forfeit my copyright to my work when I post it, so I probably won't do ant site updates until I move it to wherever.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 11:27:17 PM
IP: ppp-224-174.usc.edu

Didn't I just post? Oh, wait, I had a huge post this morning and hit "Reload" by accident... I should start composing posts on WordPad again. Damn. Well, since I just remembered I didn't say it, Kit, I hoped you would get better soon, and to that end, I'm glad you do. :)

Anyway, Margaret Hood Ball was last night, and I got bored halfway through - it was decent, but they insist on shipping in a busload of midshipmen from the Naval Academy. Drunk mids aren't much fun to have around. So I went upstairs with some friends, we changed, sat around and watched the "Now and Again" pilot since most of them missed it and I taped it, then hauled off to Denny's. But since I was coherent that night, I noticed a few more things... and I promise I'll shut up about this show after this for a while. Promise.

**YET MORE NOW AND AGAIN SPOILERS!**

Deuce> The doctor was Dr. Morris; Michael's best bud was Roger; the lawyer was Meisenbach (sp?); the smarmy boss who we all wanted to throw out the window was Craig Spence. (sp?) <<Mucho character development on everyone involved, except Michael's daughter, but I have a feeling she'll be a flat, background character we won't see much of.>> I hope not. I've seen Heather Matarazzo in a couple things, and she *can* act if given the opportunity. In the pilot, she was wasted.

Anyway, this occurred to me last night: how in the HELL did that terrorist get the eggs on the plane in the first place? There's no way he would have gotten perishable food on an international flight, and according to my friend Michelle, they wouldn't have allowed him to carry on a brown paper shopping bag like that until it was emptied and searched. Huh?

Kit> If you have the TV Guide I do, they made a typo and cut off the first line. It should say: "Michael escapes and breaks into his former insurance firm to see Roger. He persuades Roger to take him to see Lisa - who is preparing for her first date since Michael's death." Does that make more sense? Either way, I'm definitely watching next week so we can see what Michael can do, and just what the hell he's going to tell Roger. :)

**SPOILERS END! HONEST!**

Christine> I hope you get a chance to get to some of those fics; they look great.

It's after 11, and I need to get to bed at a decent hour. Good night...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 11:19:59 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Not really much to say tonight either....

Thanks to all those who are letting me use your stuff for my website, I appreciate it. But you'll have to be patient--I'm weeks away from getting the thing to where it's fully functional. BTW, I signed up at homepage.com. I have no idea how good a web hoster it is, but I think they give you at least 10 megs (which may get eaten up pretty fast for what I'm planning), but still, I don't much care for the other hosters. Xoom isn't my type, I can't use Spaceport cause I don't have regular FTP access, angelfire isn't that great, and I don't trust Geocities (even though I do have a page there) ever since they merged with Yahoo (BTW, what's up with them? Who's running them, Bill Gates? They're buying everything!). So I'm gonna try Homepage out. I'll try to give you guys some updates if and when it progresses.

Deuce: You know, I only kid you cause I'm insanely jealous. I only wish I looked that good in high school! ;)

Bruce Timm's comments: Can somebody point me to the exact interview where he said whatever he said? This may be tantamount to betrayal, but I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt until I find out exactly what he said and the context under which he said it....
Sorry if that offends anybody, but I am a Batman lover since birth, always will be. I'd like to know what Timm said, verbatim, before I cast stones in his direction. I need to know if he was genuinely being a smartass or not, or if this is some sort of professional jealousy, or what's going on.

The site going down: I had a problem for about half a second this morning. But what's up with this? Isn't this like, the upteenth time the server's crashed in just a few months? Better watch out, or someone will start blaming RP length again.

Pistoff: So, I can use those pics...but can I use your fics? I need some G2K for the site, bro! :)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 11:02:42 PM
IP: 207-172-87-74.s74.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Well, I was reading the CR last night just before it went down. It loaded fine, I read it and wrote my comments in Notepad, then clicked the "Add to Comment Room" link...and WHAMMO! I couldn't get in. Talk about perfect timing...

Well, anyway, now I can respond to last night's comments....

Zath: Yahoo! taking over the world? *Imagines a world controlled by a sinister organization named..."Yahoo!"* Sounds like a job for James Bond.... ;) (re: hair problems) Well, mine isn't so bad, except when lint sticks to my head because I forgot to shave... *g* Going gray in 5th grade, though...that's gotta suck. :( (re: Removal of the Brain) If I ever saw this video, I'd probably see at least half of my customers appearing as the stars of the show....

Xanathar: Yeah, I love that site! I've wanted Seinfeld to be taken out for a looooonnnnng time. ;)

Bruce Timm calling Gargoyles "crap": Ladies and Gentlemen, I do believe we have our next Joyride target! :)

jewel: Good luck finding an apartment, and with your stories, play, and novel. :)

Incest: Well, since some of us were talking about this last night...as soon as I heard about the Jericho/Demona thing, I chugged a whole bottle of Maalox. *shudders* It's wonderful as a plot twist and great for character development (making Demona seem even more twisted and evil, etc.)...but uggh!! And the most disturbing thing of all is...the Jericho Estrogen Brigade, or whatever his fan club is called. I mean, come on...the guy's having sex with his mother. How attractive can that be? Still, as far as the plot itself goes, it works...but I wouldn't even touch it with rubber gloves. ;)

Blue Caeru: <It's just that there's injustice EVERYWHERE and that bothers me. Society makes me sick sometimes.> I know how you feel. I get a full dose of society every time I deliver a pizza. It's what George Carlin recently called "the true face of America." ;) As for injustice, I and the Joyriders are helping out in our own, warped way. :)

SJ: About your website--I don't have a site yet, myself, but I do have a fairly large collection of screen shots (a good portion of them featuring Demona, *horny grin* ;). I guess it's okay to use these, since I've seen many of the same ones appearing on different websites. I also have a few pictures of Gargs 2K characters done by various artists. I guess the artists wouldn't object as long as proper credit is given, since it would showcase their work a little more. So, let me know if these would help.... :)

Artists: If any who have done pics for me and Denis would rather not have their pictures put up on the site mentioned above, please let me know. I'm asking for permission here because it's quicker than asking individually. I can't think of a reason not to do it, but if anybody has an objection, sock it to me. :)

Coyote: Ack! Sounds like another rough day. I'm glad that quote made you feel better. I'll have another deep, meaningful and comforting quote at the end of this post.... ;)

Wilek: Thanks for the good-luck wish. :)

Christine: "Frolicsome Matings"?! *cue '70s porno-movie soundtrack...* heheheheh... j/k :P Sorry to hear about the latest rejection. :( I hope one of the next three accepts your book.

Jaden: <Well yesterday I discovered that if I stay awake for 25 hours straight, I am then able to get 6 hours of complete, uninterupted sleep.> Ehh...well, at least it's a step in the right direction.... I hope you reach the point where you can get a good night's sleep without such drastic measures, though....

And now for the aforementioned quote...one of my personal favorites, BTW... :)

"What do you say, for instance, about a generation that has been taught that rain is poison and sex is death? If making love might be fatal and if a cool spring rain on any summer afternoon can turn a crystal blue lake into a puddle of black poison scum right in front of your eyes, there is not much left except TV and relentless masturbation." ---Hunter S. Thompson

And, finally, this one's for anybody who is sick of Pokemon (I remember somebody in here mentioning hating that show...) ..clickie-clickie... :)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:26:11 PM
IP: wire-24.koalas.com

**RP TIME**

Pastor John flings another fireball at Shap but it dissipates upon hitting his sword's magic resistance field. Shauna shoots another arrow at the demon but he turns around and vaporizes it with a single glance. "Face it, sinners!" he shouts. "The power of Lucifer is too strong for you! Give it up now or..." "Or what?" Doug's voice suddenly interrupts. John spins around, just in time to be simultaneously hit by a blast of plasma energy, several laser blasts, an atomic rocket, two ninja stars, three bursts of machine gun fire, six magic missiles, a liberation beam, and a launched grenade. A storm of holy fire called down by Orion finally knocks him down, and he screams in agony as it envelops him. "This isn't over!" Pastor John screams. "It's only the end of the beginning!!!" Then he vanishes, fleeing back to Hell. Shap and Shauna breathe sighs of relief. "Guys!" Kit calls out to them. "You're alright!" "Of course we are," Shauna chuckles. "You seem alright too. Well, except some of you." Shap walks over and assists Janice by laying on hands. Soon she is once again able to stand on her own feet. "Well," he then says to the others. "Shall we get out of here?" "Aren't you forgetting someone?" Gubio asks, pointing to Kaioto, who is just struggling to his feet. "Oh, right!" Shap nods, running to assist the Seeker as best he can. "Get your ship," Doug tells Lieutenant Surge and the Avatar troopers. "We're leaving this place." "About time," says Jaden. Kit smiles and turns to make a quick post.

**RP PAUSED TILL POST'S END**

Hi everyone! Sorry I've been absent lately. Between schoolwork and a sudden illness that thankfully passed quickly <smiles in relief>, I haven't had much time to post. But now I'm back, and hopefully you all didn't miss me too much. :) Thanks for all the good wishes, I too am glad to be feeling better. Now, here's something that needs to be done:

<Grabs DC, screams loudly in his ear about the room's recent posting trouble, then throws the jerk into the room's gator pit and pours in a lot of rabid love chemicals. Soon DC's screams are splitting the air.> That should teach him a lesson, on to replies.

Weekend Movies: Saw American Beauty and adored it, Doug has already posted most of the reasons. Haven't seen any other films yet, I wanted to go see Mumford but then I got sick. <sighs> Maybe I'll get the chance to see it sometimes this week, if so I'll give you all a psychologist-in-training's review. :)

Deuce: Please don't diss your appearance. I think you look great! Yeah, there are a few guys cuter than you (Doug, for example, but that's just my opinion), but there are many many uglier ones (such as Leo diCrapio and Lukas Haas).

Mary: I knew your perfect school had to have something dangerous about it! Some poor girl got her finger hacked off? <gulps> I will never let my kids play field hockey because of this. My prayers are with that girl.

Sick People in Here: As someone who was sick recently, I feel your pain. My prayers are with you too, hope you all soon get better. :)

New Shows: I hate to say it, but after seeing the new episode this weekend I felt myself agreeing with Airwalker about Batman Beyond. The earth elemental bad guy was neat, but the rest of the episode stank. I especially didn't like having Terry and Bruce as bit players and deus ex machinas. Hope this doesn't become a trend. (Needless to say, I am NOT looking forward to Superman's upcoming appearance.) As for other new episodes and shows, Doug and I liked the new Pokemon ep this weekend (Giovanni makes an even more sinister bad guy now that his identity's been revealed, his super-powerful Pokemon is appropriately creepy and worrisome (though it should be easy for Pikachu to down with all those metal parts), and it was great to see Gary get some development as well as Team Rocket try to be gym leaders. :) Also enjoyed the new Beast Machines (damn, is Megatron's new look cool!) though I agree about its imperfections and hope they are soon resolved.

Now and Again also got off to a good start, we thought. Mandi and Deuce have already said most of what we could say about it. I didn't like the shifting tone deal, but otherwise the pilot was excellent. It's an interesting and entertaining show, though I have to admit the concept of next week's episode sounds a little weird (at least the way our paper TV Guide tells it, it does). The Season Premieres of Simpsons and Futu-rama tonight were also entertaining, the former especially thanks to its great Mel Gibson jokes. Futu-rama also had its moments (I liked seeing Bender in love).

**Moment of silence for great departed actor George C. Scott** You will be missed, as will your work. Hope you can accept the awards of heaven. :)

Harry Potter books: Suprisingly, it's not just kids who like that series. I too have read and enjoyed them (so has Doug). They are very well-written, with excellent plots and character development. Probably the best children's books out these days. :) By saying they're evil, Bob Larson has IMO proved how much his head is stuck up his you-know-where.

SJ: Thanks for the Stephen King info, I like his plans. :) Wonder if I should go back to a certain ski slope and chop down and burn a certain tree. Hmm. Nah, probably couldn't afford it. And that tree might be gone by now anyway. Oh well.

Zath: Saw the artwork on your site, it looks pretty good. Nice to know you can turn out drawing masterpieces in boring environments, isn't it? :) Keep up the good work!

Batman eps: I agree with Shogun about the good ones, though I would also like to add the one with the Scarecrow's antifear toxin. Batman's character development while under the drug's influence was very entertaining. So was Robin's reaction to it, wish more episodes as well-written had been made.

Christine: Sounds like you have some good fics planned. Hope you soon have time to prepare them for your fans to look over. :) Good luck with those idiot publishers, I pray one of them will send you a letter of interest and not rejection. <fingers crossed>

Jewel: Congrats on the end of your writer's block. Good feeling, isn't it? :)

That looks like about it for tonight. Later, people!

**MORE RP HEADED YOUR WAY**

Helping Kaioto to stand and healing his wounds, Shap brings him back to the others. Shauna has by now explained his presence to them, and they smile. "Thanks for the help," the Seeker tells everyone. "Good job wasting that demon." "No problem," Doug says. "It's great to have a new friend." As he is saying this, Lieutenant Surge's shuttle silently comes down beside them. "Let's go," he calls to everyone. "Your friends over there can mop up whoever's left." He indicates Green Baron's party and the Deadly Seven. Kit nods. "Let's be traveling on." They all collect their things and start getting on the ship. Agent Ripowski stops, looking back at the complex they have left behind them. "What is it?" Tom asks her. "Nothing," she answers. "It's just that I may have to leave the FBI behind now, and find a new life. It may be difficult." Tom shakes his head. "Not for someone as talented as you are." Janice turns and gives him an upraised eyebrow. For a moment, their eyes meet. Then Jammer shouts "Come on, guys!" and the moment is broken. They sigh and step into the shuttle.

A few seconds later, its bay door closes and the ship takes off. "We're airborne," Tricia smiles. "How long till we reach the Avatar?" Gubio asks. "A few minutes," Surge replies, preparing to engage the warp drive. All of a sudden laser blasts start pinging off the shuttle's shields. "What the..." begins Boris, just as a large
F-222A Nightshade Stealth Fighter fills the display window. Assistant Director Kincaid and his last remaing agent, Foster, are visible at the controls. "Ravens, you may not leave Area-51A airspace!" Kincaid orders over his plane's PA system. "Land your shuttle and surrender now, or we will shoot you down!" "This guy really thinks he can take on an Avatar assault ship in that archaic piece of machinery?" Surge asks. "Apparently so," says Keith. "He just fired a missile our way."

**TO BE CONTINUED, FOR NOW END RP**
Kitainia
Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:24:45 PM
IP: pool-207-205-236-100.dlls.grid.net

*interesting blue's clues creativity demon*
The programming execs decide to be edgy, and replace blue with Bronx (bear with me, this gets even more interesting) the show taking place during the day, bronx is sleeping
dorky human: it's time for,Bronx's clues!
Bronx: (sleeping in stone)
DH: come on boy!, come on! MOVE IT YOU STUPID DOG! *kicks bronx* OW! Son of a!....
(he is cut short as the whine of a jet engine behind him dies down and two loud crunches are heard)
Coldstone: a word of advice friend, Don't kick my dog!
DH: you couldn't I'm just a kid's show host, I'm only trying to entertain, PLEASE DON'T KILL MEEE!
Coldstone: you are right, I could not bring myself to take an innocent life...Rookery sister, you do it!
Demona(the second crunch): with pleasure, DIE PITIFUL DORKY HUMAN!!! *Particle cannon shot to the head, followed by a few more to render the body unidentifiable*
shogun raptor
Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:14:17 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

** Deuce walks in, and kicks DC in the temple for wiping the room at such an odd time. **

***EXTENDED SPOILERS/REVIEW FOR NOW AND AGAIN: "ORIGINS"***

Well, well, well.... This show is really neat. John Goodman shone for the first 20 minutes, and then he died. o_O He did an excellent job of portraying a very happy guy, content with his life, and by the time he died, you're wishing the show had a different premise. ;-)

The opening scene freaked me out. I _hate_ biological terrorism, and the bloody subway car matched a fantasy I had a couple weeks ago... anyway, freaky but cool. Michael-Alpha (Goodman) bouncing off the front of the subway was nicely done, but I really doubt a guy that big could have stayed airborne that long. Still, it looked really cool.

At first, I was miffed that they didn't show his funeral, but then I realised that would have been too clich�d. So good for them that they didn't. The scene with Michael's disembodied brain conversing with the boss (damnit what was his NAME?!) was just plain eerie, and did a nice job of giving us the setup for the whole show without being too obvious. Nevermind that. It WAS obvious, but not in a bad way.

Mucho character development on everyone involved, except Michael's daughter, but I have a feeling she'll be a flat, background character we won't see much of. *shrugs* Still, everybody else--the boss (his NAME!!!!!), Mrs. Wiseman (love the name, baby), Michael-Beta, the lawyer guy (NAME!!!!)... wonderful.

Now, some words on Eric Close as Michael-Beta: wow. The guy _looks_ genetically engineered (in a good way). I was expecting him to be a pretty-boy overacting fellow more suited to Dawson's Creek, but he is _good_. Good-looking, too, in a futuristic sort of way. When he "checked his package", I feel off the couch laughing. Of course, if _any_ guy got a body transplant, you _know_ he'd look there up front.

"Origins" gets 4 stars out of 5. It's an excellent pilot; a little weak in places, but next weeks episode looks killer.

***END SPOILER REVIEW***

SJ> Couldn't you just say "nice pic, Deuce"? ;-) Honestly, you do NOT want me to take my shirt off... I'm a stick boy. When I exhale, you can count my ribs. :-P

Robby> ["Well, the previews the WB has been showing for this weekend's Pokemon episode show a pair of space aliens..."] Oh... prepare to die laughing at that scene. Make sure you have closed-captioning on for that, and read backwards.

Fire Storm> ["When I saw that, I REALLY thought Enzo would be fantasizing about her later!"] Hell, man, _I_ was fantasizing about her later. o_O

Anyway, this being Sunday night, it's generally bad to stay on too long, which I already did typing that N&A review. See y'all tomorrow.

** Deuce leaves, giving DC another boot, this time somewhere besides the temple.... **

** In the ribs, you sicko. **
Deuce - [slatheringfool@curtain.cjb.net]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 09:23:28 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

After seeing what's been going on in here for the last few days, I'm kinda glad I wasn't able to post... but then again, it's heartbreaking to see your second home falling apart...

Spike> Thanks for the addresses! I'll try to get to her right away and I appreciate your help!

Stephen> I think you wrote something about Catholics and Marti Gras? Well, I don't know anything about a relation between Catholics and Marti Gras. But, you shouldn't ask me because I'm not really any religion. I'm a mesh (a religious person who believes a little of all religions). However, the sacrifices during Lent do not have to be food. The sacrifice each person makes is something they want to show God that they will give up for their faith. It can be television, or swearing, or anything! Or, it can be something that you start doing instead, like praying each night or doing something for the community. I hope this gives a little more light to the spirit of Lent.

Gunjack> Now don't start throwing stones or anything but.... I can't stand Elisa! Now that's only my opinion so don't hate me for it. Truthfully, I was not thinking of Elisa's dress when I told my mom what I wanted my dress to look like. I guess it's just beacause gold and burgundy are my favorite colors :)

I bought "Prince of Egypt" today. Thinking of Egypt, I really hope Harthoth comes back to TGS or Timedancer or whatever.
SOROW
Sunday, September 26, 1999 09:18:45 PM
IP: dll2b204-32.splitrock.net

12th!!!! No freakin' way!!!

Real post soon.
Deuce - [luckybastard@curtain.cjb.net]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 09:02:37 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

11th
WB Starsinger
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 08:44:32 PM
IP: 141.164.64.128

Christine>> A Blue's Clues fanfic? *wild-eyed stare* Only if you have both Blue and Magneta come down with foaming rabies and shred that dorky guy to pieces.

Yes, Ryan's addicted to the show. It makes Pokemon seem like a PBS documentary. AAAAaaaauuugghh!!!
Spike
Sunday, September 26, 1999 08:35:17 PM
IP: ppp36-46.ght.iadfw.net

**walks into the CR, switching out the candle**

Top ten? Maybe? Depending on criteria? :)

Real post later when a lot of posters are around ... maybe? :)

**sits in the massage chair, pulling out a pocketwatch and counting down to midnight ...**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, September 26, 1999 08:34:00 PM
IP: modem87.i-is.com

YES! The room is back! <glares at DC> Tomorrow, you die.
Top 10! ^_^
Wilek
Sunday, September 26, 1999 08:33:33 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Slays typo demon.
This is the correct address
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Sunday, September 26, 1999 08:16:42 PM
IP: dial-87.ocis.net

TOP TEN!!!!
And I have a new e-mail address.
Peter - [hybridone@ign.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Sunday, September 26, 1999 08:15:46 PM
IP: dial-87.ocis.net

Yay! The board is back up!

Kit: Glad you're feeling better! =)

SJ: One of the heavies of fanfic? Me? <blinks repeatedly> Whoa. Hmm. Actually, I guess I am. Weird. Anyway, feel free to use my fic! Likewise, if you want any of the drawings of my characters off on my website, feel free. =)

Aris: "Cute"? <starts writhing> Arrrg. I'll never escape that word... <chuckles> Ahh, the timing of these things--I only just yesterday accepted that "cute" is a word that will perinnially be applied to me. I've been told I give of an air of being a complete, wide-eyed innocent, and despite my sick, twisted, and dark little fic, this is actually true. <g> Which was why I was trauamtized by "Whirlwind." WHat flipped me out was the "But isn't that part of the appeal?" line.

Speaking of fanfic, guess who finally had the Muse come back? I'd had somethign of a case of writer's block with the second installment of "Goetterdaemmerung." and hadn't been able to write anything of it. Man, is that ever gone. I started working on revising and expanding a play, and that brought the Muse back, and then I got to work on "The Drawig of the Seven." I'm really excited, I think it's actually going to be pretty good--and considering the reason I got writer's block was because of anxiety that I would drop the ball while writing it, I'm in an especially good mood. I've finally figured out exactly what's going to happen (kinda) and have started doing research and all sorts of stuff. Coyote's got a biiiig part in this. I'm all excited... I actually think this might be the best one of the series. (No, no pressure now...)

Christine: Good luck with the book and finding an agent. And how *does* one go about finding an agent? I'm about to start writing a novel (well, actually, three novellas that will be on a theme, so they'll get stuck together) and it's *guarenteed* to get me death threats if it gets published. (So, of course, being the little glutton for punishment that I am, the second I finish "Apokalypsis," revising the play I was working on, and finish the last five pages of a short story I started earlier in the summer, I'm going to start working on it. Hell, who needs to wait for finishing those?)

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 08:07:08 PM
IP: 207-172-75-233.s233.tnt3.man.va.dialup.rcn.com

...
Anonymous
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:48:58 PM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

TOP TEN!!!!

And a 2nd Redskins win to boot! Good lookin' Sunday, everybody!!!
Sevarius Jr.
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:47:42 PM
IP: 207-172-33-46.s46.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Top ten...

(Although miffed about losing his post a few hours ago, Fire Storm still seems happy that the TGS board is back up.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:40:51 PM
IP: 216.90.45.153

Strange... I didn't wipe the room...
Robby
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:23:54 PM
IP: spider-we061.proxy.aol.com

Top Ten: 4th!

it works again! thanks, Gore!

Denis
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:19:46 PM
IP: 212.166.1.12

attempt to post

Denis
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:17:41 PM
IP: 212.166.1.12

Wow, first on an early wipe, nifty...
Zath
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:17:38 PM
IP: ppp-224-159.usc.edu

hello?
Zath
Sunday, September 26, 1999 07:16:34 PM
IP: ppp-224-159.usc.edu