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Kit > "Bimbos" is a great book and I'm glad you are getting a kick out of it!

Bombs > I know it's simplistic of me, but I've always considered it kinda chicken***t to kill from a safe distance ... especially when those being killed are thousands of civilians. IMO, war should be between those who _want_ to fight (volunteers, not draftees). Better yet, put the leaders of the opposing sides in a ring and let them duke it out, rather than squander the lives of their people. I'm naive and idealistic enough to hope that maybe then, if it affected them _personally_, they'd be a little more reluctant.
:P This is why all my games and most of my books are fantasy novels, and why I was so damn disturbed about describing the war between the Emerin and Montennor in which the elves use killer destructive magic and the dwarven war machines can annihiliate hundreds with one catapult-bomb. Uck, uck, uck.

Deuce > Why? Advertising and peer pressue, I think, two of the main but suckiest reasons to do something self-detrimental ...

Sheesh, I'm in a negative mood today!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Sunday, October 10, 1999 09:59:50 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Shogun Raptor- Of course Karen and Kirby look like they were stolen from Southpark.
The Cat and Birdy Warneroonie Pinkie Brainy Big Cartoonie Show
OR
The Cat and Bunny Warneroonie Super Loony Big Cartoonie Show
is just a cheap amalgation of show clips Warner Brothers no longer thinks are worthy of having their own timeslot. As a result, they assume the shows, even amalgated, aren't going to pull in any viewers, and so they try and take something froma very popular show and cash in on it. (And as a result cut the reused clip number from 4-6 down to a mesley 3-4...) The same logistics are probably the cause of Dende in Dragonball Z saying "Hey! Don't piss off the god of love!" even though the line makes absolutley no sense. Of course, Yamcha and Tenshinhan using bad outdated slang is even worse...
Robby
Sunday, October 10, 1999 09:15:12 PM
IP: spider-te033.proxy.aol.com

is it me or do Karen and Kirby look eerily like something B@stardized from South Park? "OH MY GOD THEY KILLED KAREN AND KIRBY!!! SWEET!"
shogun raptor
Sunday, October 10, 1999 08:31:49 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

History: revisionist and otherwise>
I believe the incident Theresa was citing was the Bombing of Coventry. In which the Brits had cracked Enigma, the German's code and learned of the plan to bomb the town, but alerting the people of Coventry would have tipped off the Germans that their super-code had been cracked. So knowing the situation, they didn't warn Coventry and it was bombed. That's as strong as I remember it.

As far as judging history out of context, I wouldn't mind that, but be fair. Don't call someone who judges one set of actions with disgust as a PC revisionist. And someone who judges that same set with romanticism and a sense of nobility as normal. If you don't want the people who dropped the bomb or fight in wars judged, that is fine, but turning around and creating noble figures out of them is just as bad. While my opinion of Politically correcting history is low, PC still has a long way to go to match the warping effects romance has had on history.

War is Hell> I shouldn't have do dignify this, but since it's brought on to the table liet me ask a couple of questions. If war is hell, how come human beings excel at it so well? If war is hell, why is it an enterprise that is so heavily romanticized. An example I cite is the history circulum in my school where each section is divided up by war. (Colonial Period highlighted by the Revolution. The 19th cent. highlighted by the Civil War and so on.) For a society that generally accepts the 'War is Hell', it certainly doesn't show by the actions.

***I should warn everyone, I'm going to get real mean and nasty on this topic. This is one of the chief reasons I'm a misanthrop, an agnostic with attitude, and a cynic. So you may want to skip it.***

War is Hell> You know, I think there is one thing we can do to honor the people who died in any war, whether they be civilian or solidier and that is to remember it honestly.

I don't subscribe to the notion that America was only doing what it thought was right. WWII had been commencing for several years before America got involved and it only did because of an attack on Pearl Harbor. My opinion is that America got into the war not out some moral obligation, not out of some need to fight a fascist dictator, but because their ego got spanked and nothing feels better than payback.

I also don't subscribe to the idea that America was some 'heroic good guy' fighting to save the world. At the end of both WWI and WWII, the victors immediate got down to the business of carving up the world. Many of the problems in the last part of this century, Vietnam, Korea, the Persian Gulf are consequences of events like the Treaty of Versaille. Just because one used an ink pen and the other a bayonet doesn't register as difference in my opinion. In some cases the ink pen is worse for at least the one who uses the bayonet has made their intentions knows.

This is my opinion. That humans as a group are stupid, wrathful and cruel creatures. Wars aren't hell. Wars are effective. Something offends your collective sense of ego and it must be dealt with. A war gets that point across in the most blunt and straightforward way possible. But doing something to stroke one's ego is a poor excuse, so we wrap it up in patriotism, in nobility. We romanticize the enterprise so we think it's the best we can do. Or we rationalize it saying, "Oh well, we have to do it." I refuse to buy those accoutrements perfering to see the ugly truth.

If you want history told truthfully, the restrict it to the facts; the causes, the actions and the consequences. But we don't want to do that. We want our pride, we want our nobility. We want to think this enobles us. And it's all the more ennobling if they didn't want to do this, but had to.

I thik if we as a people are to mature we should at least have the intestinal fortitude (the guts) to see things as they are. People die in war. Yes. More to the point, people are turned into to ugly creatures for the purpose of war. And we do it because we want to. I think that will ensure that so many who have died since the existance of this wretched species didn't die in vain.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Sunday, October 10, 1999 08:29:13 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

**enters the room, switching out the candles and replacing it with a HUGE green and white candle.**

What a wonderful time to be a Michigan State fan ... just beat Michigan yesterday, 6-0 for the first time since 1966, and to top it off they're #5 on the AP poll. Life is good. :)

(Incidentally, apologies to any Michigan fans that may be in here for the bottom of this post, and also those it might offend ... I just gotta let it out, it's been three years since MSU's beaten the Wolverines. Trust me, you *don't* want to hear the second half!!)

Stephen: Check your e-mail, I believe my instructions for the decal should have arrived last night. :)

One last bit on the holocaust Legos: Interesting that Jannie should mention the holocaust museum in Houston ... a similar museum in New York, according to the article, was quite impressed by the concentration camp Legos, impressed enough to request a set (the artist made multiple sets) for display.

Dropping the Bomb: Oh, how ironic ...
Gunjack speaks of the Dolittle raid immortalized in the film "Thirty Seconds over Tokyo" While they were quite horrific in their own right, they don't hold a candle to the end result of the two bombs.
It's long been the opinion of historians that it was World War I that ushered in the modern age of warfare, war that has no rules and no glory. I disagree. World War II was that war ... while there was quite a bit of nationalistic jingoism on all sides (the Nazi propaganda machine ... hell, the Americans weren't much better, check out some of the theatrical cartoons of the era; how many of them do you recall end with "Buy War Bonds?" *The* definitive WWII cartoon propaganda short was actually put out by Disney ... it was a Donald Duck 'toon called "Der Fuhrer's Face" where DD has a nightmare about working in a Nazi munitions factory), those who fought in the field *knew* there was no honor in this war ... no glory ... the only victory there would be for them would be *survival,* plain and simple.
Even on the homefront ... we mourn the Holocaust, but we selectively seem to forget that the United States used similar tactics in rounding up Japanese-Americans, many of whom were born in the US, on suspicion that they would be "spies" for the Japanese. (George Takei being a notable internment camp survivor)
While ultimately the bombs would end the war without a terrible cost in blood on both sides had the Americans gone ahead with an invasion of the Japanese mainland, it left us conversely with a terrible legacy and the threat of nuclear armageddon even to the present day ... don't tell me nobody in here wasn't worried about India and Pakistan showing off just this past year.
We may think that the Allies won the war. But in reality, it's becoming more and more clear that WWII *had* no winners. If the cost wasn't in blood, it was in souls. I can certainly imagine how J. Robert Oppenheimer or Albert Einstein must have felt when the weapon they had helped to develop was used at tremendous cost in human life.

**whew** That was deep.

Deuce: Yeesh, whatta terrible party. Ranks right up there with Homecoming my senior year when the people I thought were my friends thought it'd be fun to TP my car.

Fire Storm: Count me in on that 2002 group if you get yer act together, dude! :)

**looks around** Not much else to say. Hope this doesn't get lost in the shuffle when the room wipes. :)

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating on the candle's brightly burning flame.**
Coyote the Elated Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
"Hail to those mother****ers, Hail to those big ****suckers, Hail Hail to Michigan, the cesspool of the West!"
Sunday, October 10, 1999 07:14:31 PM
IP: modem62.i-is.com

Aris: Think about it for a second. What the hell would’ve been accomplished by killing American civilians? Unlike the Germans, Italians, and Japanese, the Americans weren’t fighting to conquer, we were fighting for peace and freedom. We did not colonize any of our defeated foes, or round up all their Jews and put them in ovens. Some of our actions in the war were unfair, but always remember that war is not fair. War is bad. War is started by an aggressor, and the US did not start WWII, we finished the damnable thing. Hell yes! If we started a war like that, and it was the only efficient way to make us remove our fascist leadership and military that was conquering other nations by force, then bomb the living *&^$ out of this country. I’ll have moved to Canada rather than support a country like that. … That’s how you stop the aggressor in a modern war.

About the Bomb: A reality check.

A basic rule people seem to be missing about the horror of modern war.

WHEN YOU FIGHT A DICTATORSHIP, THE CIVILIANS ALWAYS DIE!

Whether by fire-bomb, atomic bomb, starvation, or hand to hand killing, the civilians will die because they are the base level that supports the military industrial complex which supplies that military with power. Men like Saddam Husein and Hitler don’t surrender. They don’t give a damn about their people, since they are themselves safe away from the fighting. You beat them by making their own people oust them and their generals. Killing enough soldiers or leaders to stop an aggressor nation and make them surrender is next to impossible. Instead you kill their military industrial complex. That is modern warfare, and you can’t fight and win in this day and age in any other way. It is the art of war by intimidation and industrial crippling.

Why don’t some people understand why war is So Damned Terrible? It is because it ISN’T A GAME!!! You can’t play by nice clean rules. The armies from both sides don’t line up in a vacuum and shoot until one side gives up. This isn’t chess where there are only military pieces on the table. Hell, we have conscription! Our soldiers didn’t even Want to fight! The pieces hide in cities and towns behind civilians. They make the civilians build bombs and factories and weapons. They make the civilians fight.

And the US couldn’t just quit and declare peace either. They had to remove the conquerors, the fascists with guns and control over an entire country. WWII doesn’t end until one side surrenders. Refusing to drop the bomb wouldn’t have saved any damn lives, civilian or military. It would’ve cost them, a lot of them.

If we removed the atomic bomb from the equation, do you know what we would’ve done?! We’d have instead used fire-bombings on Bigger cities, with More civilians, because that is how you Win The Damn War! If you don’t blow enough factories that make weapons, and force the compliant populace to remove their leaders and army, the only other way is direct land conquest and slaughter.

We had to conquer Berlin in Germany. We bombed the crap out of the place. Allied armies ran over the country-side, destroying resistance until the soldiers and civilians quit fighting. The Russians were even more devastating. But Hell, if we could’ve killed only a fraction of the people we did in our bombings of Germany and made them turn over Hitler and his minions and sign a declaration of surrender, I’d say it would’ve been a better option. Having a people voluntarily remove their military industrial complex is always better than taking it (and them) apart piece by peace until all of the damn country is rubble.

The reason why only the Japanese civilians were killed? Duh, we were fighting in JAPAN, where they lived. That is what happens when your country decides to conquer the world! It isn’t fair. It isn’t good. It is WAR, damn it!

WAR IS HELL!
Don’t start wars.

But, Jeez, if one country decides to conquer the world, and we fight back, don’t blame us for the casualties. Blame those fascist @$$-holes who started this war, and wouldn’t surrender before this. The military government of Japan is to blame, not the United States.

Not dropping the bomb wouldn’t have statistically saved one damn Civilian life. For every man woman and child spared in Nagasaki, a dozen more would’ve died in larger cities like Tokyo during bombing runs.

Now here's a question: Why didn't we nuke Tokyo instead of Nagasaki?

Think about it.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Sunday, October 10, 1999 06:55:08 PM
IP: 1cust7.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Aris the scenario you described did happen in England during the war. If someone has the fine details please feel free to fill them in.

During the war a high Nazi code was broken, and the British found out about the bombing of one of their towns. Churchill made the decision to let them go ahead with the bombing without warning the people of that town.


Theresa
Sunday, October 10, 1999 06:36:52 PM
IP: proxy-363.public.rwc.webtv.net

Oh goodie, the "Should we have dropped the bomb" argument. I love this one.

I'm going to keep my opinion to myself, though. What I really wanted to comment on was two side issues:

I think it was Patrick who said something about not being able to judge historical figures by the standards of our time. To which I reply, EXACTLY. When I was still in college, I ran into this idea in both history and literature. In fact, my absolute loathing for the politically correct, moraly superior nonsense that passes as literary criticism now is the main reason I quit Grad school. Expecting someone raised in Victorian society to live up to ideals that wouldn't be developed for almost 100 years isn't very fair. The most ridiculous case that comes to mind is the contreversy about Huck Finn. Calling Mark Twain a racist - in his historical context - is like calling Ghandi violent.

Point 2 (from Jenna, I think) - the validity of abstract and "shock" art. I have more trouble with this topic. My basic opinion is that, like free verse poetry, abstract art is very, very hard to do well, but easy to fake. There are some (not many) modern, abstract artists who really do create shocking, disturbing works of art to communicate a difficult message. These people honestly don't care if you respect them, or how much money they make. They have a vision and a message, and can not do anything other than try to communicate it.

There are a lot more fakers, people hungry for publicity, and for NEA grant money, who just do things that they know will shock and offend, then hide behind "freedom of expression" and "artistic license" and try to convince other people that being offended is wrong.

I'd love for the issue to be very clear cut. (For instance, I have a friend who refuses to accept the validity of any work of art that isn't literally representational) As it stands, I have a hard time seperating the two. The recent thing about the lego death camps is a good example. I personally believe (for now) that the artist was trying to make a real, valid statement, and even though it makes me uncomfortable, I support his right to do it. If I find out that he turns around and sells his censored legos for thousands of dollars and does the daytime talk show circuit, I'll change my mind and decide he's a worthless hack, and a waste of carbon.

OK, that's about enough for today. I need to clean up my living room and find something for lunch. See y'all later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, October 10, 1999 01:51:34 PM
IP: pppa20-fortworth12-2r235.saturn.bbn.com

Regarding "Were we right to drop the bomb" and other such questions... these discussions have become more and more common as the educational system as a whole takes more and more of a revisionist view of history. The 20/20 hindsight reasoning that accompies these "discussions" ussually ignores the historical context - i.e., the time period itself and the actual people/personalities involved - in favor of being politically correct.

It's not reasonable to judge the decisions that were made by our government and military in 1945 by late 20th century values. Whether the bomb was used or not, everyone involved knew that lives were going to be lost either way. Based on the data from previous campaigns like Midway and Guadalcanal, causualty rates for an all-out ground invasion of the Japanese mainland were projected to be well over 2/3 for BOTH SIDES. Even the troops knew what their odds of survival were, yet plans still went ahead for that invasion. Troops were massed. Equipment was shipped out and readied. The decision to try using the new atomic weapon was litterally made at the eleventh hour... and by no means could anyone involved in that decision guarantee that it would induce a Japanese surrender. To the military, it was just another weapon in the arsonal.

For lack of a better term, we lucked out in the bomb being much more effective than we had ever imagined, not as a weapon of destruction, but as one of intimidation. Yes, a lot of Japanese civilians died. But a lot of British, French, and German civilians died, too, in the massive bombing campaigns in Europe. Not to mention the 9 million plus civilians who died systematically at the hands of the Nazis, and the untold numbers the Japanese killed during their invasions of China and the Pacific islands.

What matters more is how many lives were SAVED by the use of the atomic bomb - beginning with the many men ready for the invasion that never happened who knew they faced almost certain death once they stepped off their landing boats.

So what's my point, after rambling on like this? The same as it was in my last post. Don't just take at face value what you read in a history book. Think, look for other input, and always try to see that there are often many, many sides to a story, and that "right" answers often do not exist. History is not a science. The events and facts do not change, but the way we interpret them is constantly changing. And sometimes that means we tend to lose sight of the context of the events we are trying to understand.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, October 10, 1999 10:00:55 AM
IP: 98cc3f1c.ipt.aol.com

Atom bomb discussion> I won't take a side here (actually I will - I think it was wrong to drop it - but that's not the point of my post) but I want to ask a question to be answered by those who said that they support the bombing for it saved more lives than it destroyed: If in a hypothetical scenario the death of hundreds of thousands of *American* civilians were required to save more lifes both foreign and American (basically replacing Japanese civilians with American civilians) would you similarly be willing to push the button? Or do you think that the fact the dead civilians belonged in the enemy country makes them more acceptable losses than if they belonged in your own country?
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, October 10, 1999 09:56:52 AM
IP: athe530-b019.otenet.gr

AAron: <floor plan of Notre Dame cathedral>
Yeah, there is a Puz-3D Notre Dame Cathedral that is pretty accurate.

Coyote: LM's eyes only bother her when she is working on the computer. Her glasses are already anti-glare and UV protected, and the perscription is too high to just get glasses at the store.
Her eyes are too dry and too teary at the same time. The headaches come from eye strain while she is working on the photo. Other problems are blurry vision and double vision after working for a few hours. (FYF, she had been trying to take breaks when she can, but the customers are bugging her so much that she feels bad for taking a break and it occasionally makes her feel worse because she feels that she isn't getting far on the photo (but she is) and almost punishes herself for not having it done by now.)
(PLUS massive lack of sleep in the past 2 months AND the fact that these photos are black and white, VERY fuzzy, and very high resolution doesn't help. <NOTE: For the first time in a long time, she is looking forward to working on the websites because it involves COLOR!>
PS: I would help her with the photos, but anyone who knows Photoshop would agree that you can't work on a 150mb file with only 32 mb of ram. (ALL of my ram is in LM's computer to make the job easier on her.)
But thanks for the advice!

OH yeah, everyone who cares, PLEASE cross your fingers for us! We aren't sure of they will pay and there is a few more things with this customer, and there is another customer that shows promise.

Gathering: Coyote: If all goes well over the next year or so, LM and I may try to put together a bid for G2002. We have been trying to figure which hotel would be best since the trip from the airport when we returned from the gathering 1999. (Well, thats not all we have been thinking about.)
(Actually, at first it started as a plan for a local clan idea for all of us within 200 miles of Michigan)

Jannie: If your mind is in the gutter, mine is right there next to it. That picture is JUST what you thought!

Deuce: Went to a party like that once... MAN... that punch that was poured into a cooler for easy access probaly could have been poured into my gas tank! Not a single person was over 18, one guy was walking around asking if anyone had a condom, and I was afraid to drink even Coke for fear someone would spike it or something (and man, was I thirsty!). My date was drinking too, and it is quite possible that she did have sex when she disapeared upstairs for a while. Oh well...
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, October 10, 1999 07:17:15 AM
IP: 216.90.45.161

Wilek-thanx for the link, this is now in my faves file. but........ OH MY GOD, WHATS WITH THE GARGOYLE PUPPET. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Well ,thats not a real garg[one of ours] so it doesn't count. So , thanx.
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 10, 1999 01:53:44 AM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

Hello all. Sorry , I broke my promise. I've tried to get here but my mom's either on the phone , the webtv box is breaking , or someone has something planned[ usually some small trip to an aunt's house that only results in me falling asleep on the couch].just a few replies for now , I'm sooooooo tired.It's 12:30 and everyone 'cept for me is wide awake.

Jannie-HA! I see it. Probaly because my 14 year old immaturity is kicking in.

me being weird-I was actually in a good mood at that moment and just felt like acting weird for once , so if you know me well [whoever said that I'm sorry I forgot your name] I'm a pretty quiet person. That's why I'm partially afraid to go to the gatherings , I'm afraid that I might bore you all to death.

Net/black market fetuses-Excuse me for a sec. while I go and vomit.

Concentration camp legos-this is not art , it's sick. Anybody could do this with various sets, I don't know of anybody who is brave enough to suffer the consequences yet. But in this town it wouldn't matter. I don't feel like saying why right now.

Princess mononoke-I must see this movie , I first heard of it here about a week ago but I know that if this movie does good that a certain greatest show ever might have some new plans. I can be hopeful can't I?

Everyone-did you all get that group reply I sent of the 48 questions, the not a joke e-mail. I was hoping If i sent it right. My last few atempts for a group e-mail weren't good.

Also I was hoping [before I first saw six degrees of gargoyles] That I could do this segment that I had called actor/actress loop. It's bacicaly the same thing exept I would chain gargs to gargs. It desn't only include gargoyles though I would've used it at least once. Since someone already had that and top ten does anybody have an idea for something that I could use?

Bjork-I heard that she had a new song out for the "Being John Malkovich " soundtrack called "Amphibian". This is great , but I don't know what the film is about , does anybody have any idea?

Well , gotta get some sleep.

Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters. love you all.


night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, October 10, 1999 01:44:48 AM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

**SPOILERS FOR FOX SATURDAY MORNING CARTOONS**

Big Guy and Rusty> I was fully prepared to hate this. The cheesy theme song didn't help. But...I got to liking it quite soon after it started. The technology is incredible, the Big Guy techsuit is amazing, and Rusty has this whole 50s-kawaii Mega Man-esque aura. Kind of neat.

Beast Machines> I LOVE THIS SHOW! I LOVE THIS SHOW I LOVE THIS SHOW I LOVE THIS SHOW! OH SWEET BELCHING MOTHER OF CTHULHU ON A POGO STICK, HOW I LOVE THIS SHOW! (I just got the *weirdest* mental image there.) The CGI is *wonderful*--better than Starship Troopers, IMHO. The Maximals' new forms are great (although Rattrap and Optimus took some getting used to), and I LOVE the Vehicons. Megatron especially has this whole excruciatingly kewl Borg Queen/Kosh/Baron Harkonnen air. (And he's stopped saying 'Yes' every other word. I'm glad he got over that particular nervous tic.) And the liquidy explosions and fires are very, very novel. It's the kind of thing that shouldn't work, but works spectacularly. And the busy signal in today's ep was one of the most chilling things I've ever heard, somehow. Two very, very miniscule nitpicks, though--when did the iron kong become a Jedi, and how does Megatron's gigantic dragon form cram itself into that encounter suit? Oh well, it's all still very kewl. ^_^ (And I do wonder what's behind the magnetically-sealed door across the Tetrad bridge in Megs' throne room...)

**END**

Hiroshima and Nagasaki> After so many ppl's masterful words on this, I'm just not going to bother. ;)

Gunjack> ACK, what an awful experience. <does things to Sli Sludge which would probably make *everyone* throw up>

Deuce> :O That party sounds like something right out of a nightmare. I'm thankful you got out alive and <shudder> undefiled. <<what the hell gave these kids—and none of them were of legal drinking age, so they were kids—the idea that getting themselves piss-drunk would be conducive to a good time?>> I have no idea--a lot of ppl seem to think that a party isn't a party without booze for some bizarre reason. Ecch. <<More than half of them aren't going to remember any of this (good thing me and a couple other guys took pictures... >:-|)>> Heh heh heh...blackmail is a fine art, no? <G> j/k

Zath> <<This is connected to the Hamster Dance somehow. It just has to be...>> <gasp> Of course...I never thought of that...Well. The hamsters aren't taking our world or any other. We fight rodents with rodents. Boyz? [Pinky, Brain, the rats of NIMH, and a horde of genetically-engineered black rats belonging to the MIB gather round the CR.] You have a job to do...

Shogun Raptor> <<I just had an interesting thought: if you combined the lego castle/fright nights with Lego town sets, you could make your own lego evil dead/army of darkness set>> Fascinating...if I had the talent, I'd try that...Speaking of interesting Legos, has anyone here been to Downtown Disney in Florida? There's a Lego sculpture garden there that is nothing short of legendary.

Pistoff> <<And when you consider the way certain people were treated just because they were Japanese (yet they were American citizens)...it just makes me angry.>> Ohh, that is what *really* ticks me off. I will never, never understand why this country imprisoned its own citizens just because they happened to have Japanese ancestors. >:( (If I'm not mistaken, didn't George Takei spend some time in the internment camps in his youth?) <<REMAINS IDENTIFIED; POLICE BELIEVE VICTIM DIED>> I can just see it--Clem: "What do ya think happened ta this guy, Earl?" Earl: "Well Clem, he don't have a pulse and he don't have most of his arms 'n' legs. Ah thank he's daid." Clem: "Case closed. Hey, whut say we stop in Tammy Mae's diner? She serves great donuts." Earl: "Yup. And some damn fine coffee and GOOD bud."

Oh, and check out my name link. Disturbingly enough, these are all real. O_o

Kitania> <<So far Ryan Stout has taken over two years.>> Thanks much for that; suddenly I'm a tad more confident. ;) <<Keep up the good work on your fifth story, hope it gets done soon.>> Thanks. Things are looking up, in fact...;D <<Thanks for telling us about the upcoming Evil Dead game (I will definitely be buying and playing it!) and for the entertaining Hamster Based Technology link.>> <bows> All in a day's work. ^_^

SJ> <<I'm not sure where some of you were getting "Thrust's character is more like SB" last week, cause Thrust had what, 2 lines and about 30 seconds of screen time last ep???>> Maybe a process of elimination? Tankorr's more like Rhinox, and we don't know what's up with Jetstorm (or whatever his name is, the smart-aleck hovering jet dude), so Thrust is the only one left. (I would almost compare Jetstorm to Waspinator, but I heard somewhere that that's kind of implausible?)
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, October 10, 1999 01:21:41 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

The Bombings: The thing to remember here, folks, is exactly what Kaioto said--War is Hell. There is, essentially, no real such thing as a "jyhad" or "holy" war. War is violent, it's disturbing, it can't really be described as "just". There's pretty much no right or wrong side in war; there's your side, and their's the other side. The Spartans would kill just about anything that moved on the battlefield, with little discretion. Terms like "poisoning the well" and "scorch and burn" were invented because of war practices. You can have compassion for both, but the bottom line is, I believe that America did the right thing. Was it the "just" thing, dooming thousands of civilians to die? Not especially. I believe it was the pilot of one of those planes who was quoted as saying seconds after his bombing run, "I am not an evil man, but I do an evil thing". Something to that effect. Were we just in dropping the bomb? Probably not. Were we right in doing it? I believe yes, we absolutely were. Perhaps I'm just latently sociopathic, but if it took killing thousands of innocents to save multiple thousands more, both Japanese and American...I would have probably chosen to drop the bomb too.

We can't beat ourselves up over this issue with regret. It was a horrible choice to make in any circumstance, but it was one we did make, and although things went to hell and back for a while, the wounds, as they say, have healed. No doubt the resentment will always be there, but it was a choice I think we had to make, and I think it was the right one. I applaud your compassion for the Japanese, but I don't think we should take the ultimate bleeding-heart view of "we should never have dropped it". How about "the Japanese should never have been a militarstic dictatorship to begin with"? Better yet, how about "the world shouldn't be so screwed up that two countries are willing to kill thousands/millions of each other". War is hell, and as such we must committ various infernal deeds before the fighting is done.

I can this one thing, which may sound harsh and very cold. I personally do not think it is wise to have an overly sympathetic military. With the exception of civilians, the "enemy" should not be given much compassion, unless they seek it (as in surrendering). This is necessary in war, and why our military (especially the Marines--see "Full Metal Jacket") turns its soldiers (especially the Marines) into walking killing machines; because that is what is necessary. There is very little, if anything, that is "just" about war.

I am glad that you are disturbed by the bombings, though. It just shows what a caring compassionate individual you really are. While I think we were right in doing what we did, I do not by any stretch of the imagination think it was a "wonderful" thing that we did.

Guns of the South: Part of what made this novel so interesting for me was that Harry got you to care about the Southern army and its signature characters (Lee, Davis, Nate Caudell and Mollie Bean)...even though, essentially, their cause was wrong. I mean, you can't keep oppressing an entire race of people! I was more than pleased, however, that..
***SPOILER***
...slavery ended up being abolished (or going to be abolished, albeit slowly) by Lee. That, coupled with the defeat of the Rivington men and the marriage of Nate and Mollie, made the book very satsifying to me. :)
**END SPOILERS***

Weekend TV: Good eps of Batman Beyond, Pokemon, Beast Machines, Big Guy, Digimon, even Xyber 9....
After today's Beast Machines, I am sorta convinced Thrust is Silverbolt (although not last week--I'm not sure where some of you were getting "Thrust's character is more like SB" last week, cause Thrust had what, 2 lines and about 30 seconds of screen time last ep???). And I think Tankorr is Rhinox; he's one of the Maximals at any rate, Optimus all but gave that away when he said Tankorr's spark "seemed familiar". Good ep.
I also sort of like Xyber 9. It's fun; sort of reminds me of Star Wars in a way (young protagonist against super-evil dictator). Ang you gotta love Rene Auberjanois (sp?) as a talking sphere-on-a-stick.
I also must say I've totally gone 180 on Digimon. I thought this show was a complete rip-off of Pokemon, and in truth I think there some strong similarities. But this is actually a pretty decent show, with a plot and hokey villains. It's fun for the campy stories, anyway. :)

Kitiana: Being a conservative, I'd be more than happy to see Sen. John McCann get the Republican nomination than Bush. From what I've read and heard about McCann, he's a pretty stand-up guy, a real patriot (spent about 5 years in a Vietnam POW camp), and seems to be pretty dern honest (is coming out and telling pretty much *everything* he did wrong in his life, unlike the "maybe I did something bad when I was younger" style of the younger Bush). And he's not afraid to criticize the Republican/GOP leadership (which needs some criticism if you ask me. If you wanted to buy some backbones, don't go looking in there direction for extra inventory). I know you probably don't really share my views on politics, but you and I sort of share the same opinion of Bush.

Deuce: I would like to applaud you, sir, for your wise decision not to get drilled out of your skull. That proves to me (well, it doesn't *prove*, I knew all along) that you are more intelligent than most of your peers; you didn't go with peer pressure and submit, you decided not to do something foolish, like get hammered. There are precious too little of your kind, my friend.
To sound like an old man, you can have a good time without getting faced. I don't see the fun in it either; I've gotten drunk a couple times before, and I absolutely *hated* it. Praying to the porcelain god at 3 in the morning, having to brush your teeth 5 times to get rid of the vomit smell, having to launder your clothes at dawn to get the booze stench out so no one (least of all your family) notices it....don't get it. Don't think ones so underage should either. It's okay to drink responsibly (the adults in the room can attest to the taste of a good one now and then, no?), but I never liked getting wasted, and I'm glad you chose not too either.
Jalapena, don't I sound like my father. That's scary...
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:45:50 AM
IP: 207-172-52-89.s89.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

**RP ALERT**

Tom, Mist, and Janice reach the top of the smallest of the three pyramids, the other Ravens keeping Phalanx drones from harrassing them. Just as Tom is preparing the unassimilation crystal, a Phalanx tentacle erupts from the pyramid and grabs for Janice's leg. She screams as it twines around her, nearly knocking the former FBI agent down. Mist quickly spins around and hisses at the tentacle, then ventilates it with a chaingun burst. "Thank you," Janice sighs in relief, nodding at the cat, who meows in reply. "Crystal's set!" Tom yells. "Let's get on to the next one." The other two nod and they jump back down to join the Ravens. "Good work, guys!" Kit yells their way, firing a rocket to blow away a group of Phalanx-assimilated humanoids moving in from the left. "Come on, we have two more of those to put down!" The team all nod and battle their way onwards.

Some distance away, the commander of the Egyptian army battalion salutes the stranger standing before him and smiles. "I will let you handle this, General," he says. "Your forces appear to have things well in hand. Call us if you need us. Let's turn around and withdraw for now, men!" Harthoth is barely able to keep himself from sighing in relief as the troops depart.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Greetings. Sorry I haven't been able to post in here earlier in the week, those damned professors flooded me with tests and other work. I also had a five-page paper today that delayed things somewhat (and I have another next week, this is only the first half of a take-home exam. Ack!). Right now I'm just glad I finally have time to say a few words. <grin>

New Shows: The new ep of Batman Beyond this morning was great, though I was surprised Paxton Powers didn't play at least some role in it. Good Pokemon too. The season premiere of Buffy was also good, as was the one of Angel. I won't go into detail about them because pretty much everything I could say has already been said by SJ and Doug. Now and Again likewise had a good third episode last night, I look forward to seeing more of that show and another interesting and well-acted villain like Eggman was. I caught the premiere of Harsh Realm thanks to my VCR, and like SJ have high hopes for the show. It had good preformances by all the main characters, good plot and character development, exciting action and a great story too. Santiago's a good antagonist, but he needs some principal minions other than the generic grunts. Hope he gets some in upcoming eps. :) The only bad new show I've looked at so far this season is Roswell, which I agree with SJ and Skippy about. The only thing worst than alien-related angst is alien-related comedy (such as what can be seen in an awful show that has now thankfully ended production called 3rd Rock from the sun). I prefer aliens as mysterious and interesting heroes or fearsome villains, not boring teenagers with vapid personalities like the Backstreet Boys. If they wanted a show with teen alien protagonists, WB should have kept Invasion America. It had two of them (Sonya and David) and is superior to their new show Roswell in so many ways. <sighs> Why must c^&p like that get high ratings while great shows like IA are too quickly thrown off the air?

Christine: I have to thank you for something. A while ago you mentioned in here having read and enjoyed a murder mystery called Bimbos of the Death Sun. Yesterday I went to the bookstore, bought it, and have been reading it when I have the chance since. The novel is hilarious, and shows a very enjoyable (not to mention frighteningly realistic) view of gaming and sci-fi convention life. I definitely give it five/five stars, and I'm not yet half through with it. And to think I never would have known about this classic book if it wasn't for you! :)

Coyote: Thanks for the happy anniversary, and congrats on overcoming your latest illness. Same to all people who have recently been sick.

Traveler: You live? Then why aren't you posting? :) You probably have bad RL stuff too, right? <sighs> Hope you can come back soon, friend. Thanks for saying the little bit you have this week.

Pistoff: Thanks for the Vinnie series info, I'm looking forward to it too. Hope you can start writing it (and finish Injustice for All) soon. <grin>

Batya: You do plan to get back to them? Good, I'll be waiting. :) I agree with you about Xander being Key Guy.

Ironwolf: Doug and I are from Texas. Both born in Houston, and we've lived here much of our lives (practically all of it for me). We agree with you that good taste is often bred here (but not always, this is after all the birthplace of wackos like David Koresh and egotistical pretty boys like George W. Bush [the latter is a personal opinion]. We also have crazed racists like the jerks who drug that black man behind a truck a few years ago, and we're known as the most intolerant state when it comes to crime. What a place Texas is. <shakes head>).

Garg Cuts: These have always bothered me since I first heard about them. I don't like Disney messing with a classic show because they want it be politically correct more than anyone else here does (heck, I hate political correctness period!). Hope Princess Mononoke will succeed as a film and teach them a lesson about what the public wants. <fingers crossed>

Green Baron: The economics professor Doug and I have gives three things to us- boring lectures on economic principles, Scantron tests with too-easy questions, and experiments in which we are supposed to buy and sell imaginary goods to one another and thus learn about economics in action. The latter usually end up being more chaotic than beneficial. We never talk about the philosophy behind economics, or the reason things work the way they do. The textbook is also uninteresting. Overall, it's pretty much a loser of a class. :(

Harry Turtledove: I too have read his books and enjoyed them. Guns of the South was great historical science fiction and had an enjoyable plot combined with its well-written fights. I also really liked his World War series when I read them, he did a great job of combining magic with technology and creating a conflict where all sides had access to both. I hope to get Doug to read the series himself before he starts trying to write a similar war in his fics.

Wilek: <<But please don't take as long as Ryan Stout is with Stitch of Time 4! :)>> Heh...can't be as long as I've taken with my fifth fic. <looks at what he has so far> What's this stupid thing been now, three months?>> So far Ryan Stout has taken over two years. And there's no sign of him making any progress. <sighs> Keep up the good work on your fifth story, hope it gets done soon. Thanks for telling us about the upcoming Evil Dead game (I will definitely be buying and playing it!) and for the entertaining Hamster Based Technology link.

Kaioto: Thanks for posting the excellent remarks on parental upbringing vs. personal choices and the Atomic Bomb. Definite disertation(sp?) material in both of those posts, and I agree with every word. Hope that more people will learn the lessons you suggested in the years ahead. <kneels in prayer>

Jenna: Same to you for the post on destroying and rebuilding. I agree that we are doing way too much of the former and not enough of the latter these days. Violence and destruction should not be glamorized, IMO. They should be seen as an often good way to defend our families, values, interests, or what-have-you, but also as something with which people should be careful, because we all know what happens if they get too out-of-hand. A good way to stop that from happening in many cases, I think, might be for more people to read and pay attention to words like yours.

New Little Mermaid Movie: I agree with Robby, there's not much story left to tell. On the other hand, they could create new story elements like they did for the Lion King sequel and it could work. <shrugs> Only time will tell.

Deuce: I agree with you that drinking can too often ruin good parties. That's why Doug and I avoid it as much as possible (and will continue to even when we become of legal age). Congrats on getting out of that very worrisome event alive.

That's all for tonight. I didn't really say much, did I? <sighs> Guess that's my punishment for coming in late in the week. Oh well, at least I let everyone know I'm alive. :) No movie review this week because Doug and I didn't have time to go see one, and there weren't any good-looking movies. Hope there will be next week. Until I post again, good night!

**MORE RP...RIGHT NOW!**

The Ravens hack and shoot their way on to the second pyramid, to find it guarded by two misshapen and very poorly-drawn cartoon character drones. "Hey!" Gubio yells at them. "I know you guys! You're Karen and Kirby, those new hosts of the Big Cartoonie Show on WB!" The two drones nod. "Yes," Kirby says, "that is correct." Doug smiles. "You kids know what? Before you got on it, we actually enjoyed watching the Big Cartoonie Show! Now thanks to you it's one of the worst things on Saturday morning television! You add nothing to the show but deplorable commentary that is compeletely unnecessary and takes up valuable cartoon time!" Karen and Kirby glare angrily at the Ravens as they all nod in agreement. "You've insulted us!" Karen screams. "No one should be able to do that!" "Actually, we should and can," grins Jammer. "That is one purpose of fandom, after all." Tricia nods. "And you guys aren't the only problem with the BCS, either. There's also Elmyra, and that stupid little boy who does nothing but waste viewers' time telling vulgar and uninteresting tales." "You're right, Trish," agrees Shauna, pointing at another drone standing beside Karen and Kirby. "Hey, look, there he is!" The boy smiles and steps forward. "Okay," he begins, "so one time Billy's mom got constipated and..." Before he can complete the story, Kitainia raises her rocket launcher and blows him away. "Get them!" Karen shouts, realizing at last the Ravens are enemies who want to fight, not talk. She and Kirby transform parts of their bodies into weapons and charge the Ravens, only to have Doug and Boris kill them both with thrown grenades. "Phew," Jaden smiles. "Glad we got rid of those annoying jerks." "Yeah," Kit nods. "Come on, before they regroup. We have to get that next crystal placed."

**SCREEN FADES OUT, END RP**
Kitainia
Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:26:35 AM
IP: pool-207-205-148-43.dlls.grid.net

Robby> I know that you were not blaming teachers and I hope that I didn't sound harsh. I really didn't intend to if I did. I understand, accept and appreciate your comments and opinions *smiles* Of course I'm a little sensitive when the topic of teachers come up *winks* It has gotten bad enough with the politics and hands being tied along with the expectations that are impossible to achieve, I'm seriously considering finding another profession. I love the kids (I teach special education) but the rest of the nonesense is really reaching it's max with me.... *shakes head* and it's only October! 7 more LOONGGG months! eesh! Anyway, I'm sorry again if I sounded harsh or that I thought you were dishing teachers!

Pistoff> yes, the results of the bomb were horrid. Unfortunately that happens in war... innocent victims die or are scarred for life. It's a tragedy and should be reminders before another war is ever started.
Glad to have you back! I've missed you! *hugs*
Jannie
Saturday, October 9, 1999 11:52:42 PM
IP: 196-100.c.esc4.net

The Atomic Bomb:

We used a weapon that vaporized thousands of men, women, and children; soldiers, manufacturers, and those simply stuck living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not only did we vaporize people, but we left thousands more burned, slowly or quickly dying of agonizing radiation poisoning. We left orphaned children and maimed parents. Mothers held their dying children in their arms, their flesh burned, blistered and charred, listening to their final, feeble cries of pain before their life was snuffed out of the world. Mother and fathers cried over the corpses of their children and spouses before they themselves fell to the electro-magnetic poison in their systems.

We used it because they only other option next to capitulating a war too a bunch of vicious, tin-plated, aspiring conquerors of the world was a campaign of brutal, crippling conventional bombings and land invasions. For each one of those men, woman, and children would have been spared from the power of the split atom, dozens more would have been consumed in the fires of bombings and invasion. Civilian and soldier alike would’ve been maimed by explosion, riddled with bullets, or ripped apart in brutal hand to hand fighting. If the battles in the South Pacific over islands like Midway were any indicating of how the Japanese fought over Conquered territory, how ferociously would they defend their homes? House to house, town to town fighting would be common in any place that wasn’t leveled by air.

I would present to you that there are three main things that make us more squeamish about the Atom Bomb than other methods of mass murder necessary for winning this war. First, the method of destruction, the toll on the victims, so disgusting and devastatingly brutal, turns our stomach and makes us question the kind of world we live in where they can be done to human beings. Second, the bomb happened, the brutal invasion required without the bomb is only a fictional image we mostly try not to think about. Third, we have problems accepting the reality of modern warfare.

Do not blame the military of our country for killing civilians. That is modern war. The military dictators put their factories and armed forces stations in civilian population centers. They employ civilian workers to allow them to fight a war. It is a method of human shield. As well, conscription has created a military system that can not be stopped unless the civilian populations cease to create weapons and/or submit to a government that is fighting a war of conquest. You must either convince the populous to stop the war, or the leaders, or destroy their ability to fight by eliminating their military industrial complex.

Civilian populations under dictatorships are the support structure of the military. To win a war you must do one of three things: destroy the industrial complex, or destroy the leadership, or all the soldiers. The soldiers are impossible. The leaders require mass assassination. The industrial complex requires the destruction of weapon factories and the discouragement of civilian support. This last, viable action, however, has the consequence of killing civilians. The workers in factories, the citizens of the cities the military hides their factories of death within.

It is brutal. It is war. This is why we aren’t suppose to start wars. This is why it is such a tragedy when you have to stop an evil with such violence. The horror of war, however, does not make the evil people squeamish. If we shun the path to peace and permit brutality and dictatorship to sweep the world unchecked, we risk that this world we have will be plunged into darkness. A necessary evil IS an evil, none the less, but it is also necessary. So is life.

We want to learn these lessons, but we can not control the actions of others. We can deem it an evil, but we can not blame those pressed by such circumstances as conquest by a dictatorship when they chose the method they thought would save the most lives on both sides.

The bomb was horrifying. A land invasion might have even been more so. But the Truth of everything is that War, is the horror, not the weapons. Murder is the tragedy, not the gun. Suffering is the enemy, not the people.

We have to learn these lessons as a species. We have to stop celebrating murder, and instead morn the dead. We need to remember those who were brave enough to make sacrifices to save the lives and freedoms of others. The Bomb was nothing to be proud of, but is nothing to be ashame of for being an American or a soldier. We should be ashamed for being Human, capable of such a war and creating such weapons to kill.

Violence is a sad state of affairs.
Logistics is a nasty business.
War is hell.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Saturday, October 9, 1999 09:56:57 PM
IP: 1cust215.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Aye, its a pity teachers get blamed for everything... I never for a moment meant to blame any teachers if I came off that way, indeed its often been the teachers that were the only redeeming factor of the course. In all honesty, I blame the political corectness and the mass market appeal... For instance... Two years ago I had a history textbook that had 36 pages of Marilyn Monroe and about two paragraphs of George Washington. This same textbook also claimed the statue of Liberty was made out of rusted gold. Oii...
Robby
Saturday, October 9, 1999 09:32:50 PM
IP: spider-wa054.proxy.aol.com

Sorry I haven't been in here for a while, but I haven't had any time to post. I'll make a big post and reply to comments directed at me after the room is cleared, so I don't do a lot of writing and have it wiped out the next day. *g*

For now, I'll just throw in my two cents on the current topic.

Dropping the Bomb: Sure, it prevented a larger number of people from being killed...but here's my problem: Most of the people who were vaporized or left with their skin melting and eyeballs falling out were *civilians.* They weren't military targets, they weren't the ones shooting at us, they were people like us, going about their daily routines when suddenly a plane flew overhead and they got cooked off. Taking out a military target is what war is about--eliminating the enemy's ability to shoot at you. That's fine. But slaughtering civilians...that's just plain despicable. And when you consider the way certain people were treated just because they were Japanese (yet they were American citizens)...it just makes me angry. Innocent people were butchered because of something their government and military did. Civilians should not, under any circumstances, be chosen as military targets.

*sighs* Okay...now that I got that off my chest, I'll see if I can lighten up a bit, before I get depressed. Here's something to ponder--a headline from an Associated Press story, taken from the 365 Stupidest Things Ever Said....

REMAINS IDENTIFIED; POLICE BELIEVE VICTIM DIED

:O
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Saturday, October 9, 1999 09:22:48 PM
IP: wire-5.koalas.com

Zath> I agree with you! And you are absolutely correct - it depends on the teacher on how much she/he is willing to expand on subjects such as this and whether or not they are willing to take the heat when a parent calls the school board and complains. A good teacher knows how to work a lot of the information into conversation without getting caught ;)
My point about there MIGHT be someone in class that was related to a Japanese solider was that we have become so "politically correct" that we are restricted in what we are able to teach. Most teachers that I know teaches the true facts of history and tries to relay both sides. I have heard many teachers talk about the horror and injustice of what the US government did in their panic after the Pearl Harbor bombings to their own citizens just because of their heritage. I do understand your points and appreciate what you are saying! :)
Jannie
Saturday, October 9, 1999 09:15:15 PM
IP: 196-100.c.esc4.net

I just had an interesting thought: if you combined the lego castle/fright nights with Lego town sets, you could make your own lego evil dead/army of darkness set
shogun raptor
Saturday, October 9, 1999 09:01:37 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Wilek> <<If I ever get my printer working, I'll have a lot of pics to take to a place at the mall that puts them on T-shirts...>> There are actually kits where you can print directly onto iron-on papers. I got one for a present one year and never used it. Maybe I should dig it out of wherever it is some day. <<click my name. It all makes a terrible kind of sense now...>> This is connected to the Hamster Dance somehow. It just has to be...

Robby> <<When I got home I bought a copy of Barefoot Gen, and made sure every history class in the school saw it. (Or thats the theory anyway.)>> It's interesting how differently this subject is taught in different areas. In PA, we saw videos (taken right when it happened, not animation or reenactments) showing what life was like on all sides of the battles. One video showed exactly what the people looked like who weren't lucky enough to be killed instantly by the bomb. What everyone at first thought was baggy clothing was actually the children's skin falling off. We studied in detain what would have happened if the 2 bombs hadn't been dropped. On the other hand, when we covered the subject in TX, the teacher spent 15 minutes on the subject, and tried to make it sound like the US did Japan a favor by dropping those bombs and that no one of any importance was harmed. This latter view just made me sick. Personally, I believe dropping the bomb probably did keep a larger number of people from dying, but I don't think it should be glorified as the US's gift to humanity. Another interesting fact is that both of my schools tried to downplay/ignore how Japanese Americans were treated by their own government during this time period. **Sigh** I'm tired of "history" class being nothing but pro-US propaganda, editing out all the less than wonderful things this country has done over the years. If the teachers are going to pick apart and sometimes magnify all the flaws of other cultures, they should do the same to their own as well. It would feel more honest.

Jannie> <<we wouldn't want to say something because a student MIGHT have a relative who was in the war and fought for the Japanese.>> Do they also not say anything because a student MIGHT have a relative who was a legal citizen of the United States but was thrown into an internment camp just because they happened to have dark hair and asian eyes? <<teachers seem to get blamed for every woe and misdeed that happens nowadays>> I don't just blame teachers. I also blame the writers of the text books, the people in charge of deciding what is and isn't "fit" to be taught in classrooms, and anyone else who feels facts should be altered/left out because someone might get offended. Teachers are just the most visible part of the system, so people tend to give them most of the blame. I want to learn what *really* happened in a specific situation right down to the gritty and often unpleasant details, not some sanitized for mass consumption version designed to make people happy about living in America.

**Zath steps off the soap box**

Sorry if I irked anyone with this post, but these things have always been touchy subjects for me and I didn't feel like holding back.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Saturday, October 9, 1999 08:39:35 PM
IP: ppp-227-068.usc.edu

RANT RANT RANT WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AUGH! I was writing to tis very cr room with some comments. And then I made a top ten. it was a difficult top ten to write because It composed of editing punctuation a lot. And as I press the 'send' button I was KICKED off by my dad! .....then I couldn't well re make the top ten this morning because we are working on the house...(still construction)....so I won't be able to make the top ten until Monday!

Thanks for listening to my small little rant.

Sarge.

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Saturday, October 9, 1999 08:20:55 PM
IP: spider-wi033.proxy.aol.com

Robby> I understand the point you were making. However, it is not the fault of the public education system that has created this - it's the people who have demanded that we in public teaching no teach such issues as to being sensitive. We are dictated and held to a tight rope on being politically correct... afterall, we wouldn't want to say something because a student MIGHT have a relative who was in the war and fought for the Japanese. I realize you meant it in a general text, but teachers seem to get blamed for every woe and misdeed that happens nowadays... if someone does something that is harsh or inappropriate, the public education system is blamed. We are so tied with what we can and cannot say, what we can or cannot teach, etc. All of these rules come from the state and local board of educations and they are generally influenced by the parents of the district or state. So, basically - it is the fault of the parents and "concerned citizens". The public education system in mandated by the public.... we follow their guidelines. Besides, many of us were educated by the public school systems and I personally have tried very hard to continue to be sensitive to what is going on in the world and still maintain a level of shock that is needed to keep this way.
Jannie
Saturday, October 9, 1999 08:17:07 PM
IP: 196-100.c.esc4.net

Okay, let me rephrase that some...

I have never once for a moment since thought that we were FULLY IN THE right to drop an atomic bomb. I'm well aware it was probably the only way to end it with a minimum of casualties. (Claiming we had a third bomb when we didn't was almost a mistake though...) But up until that point, I had believed that yep, we were totally justified and their was no sad cost to it, because basically, thats what all the textbooks and school videos say. (Indeed, all the points brought up are points I made in my essay about why we were right...) Anyhow, the previous post was supposed to be one about being desensitized as a nation. Part of that is the public education system...
Robby
Saturday, October 9, 1999 07:41:28 PM
IP: spider-tm043.proxy.aol.com

** Deuce walks in looking tired and sad. He shoves his sister's curling iron (on) up DC's butt. **

So anyway, I went to this party last night... it was supposed to be a birthday/going away party for Mel (y'all remember her, I think—she's moving to Louisiana... :-(...). Anyway, about 50 people showed up, and the night started off pretty fun: loud music, no parents, good time. Then out came the booze.

I'd have to say that within 45 minutes I was one of 6 people in the whole house who wasn't plastered out of their mind. There was beer, coolers, daquiris(sp?), vodka, rum... you name it, someone was drinking it. I got there at 7:00 and before 8:30 one girl had taken off her shirt, there was a couple having sex in the bathroom, and I had been propositioned by several girls and one guy. (Honestly. Yuck.) The music got progressively louder and worse, and more peopel were passing out on the dance floor. Things just went to hell. I managed to hide downstairs and kick Mel's computer into submission, where I spent much of the night looking for friends in various chat rooms and on AOL IM. After talking to a few people (who know who they are but don't know how much I owe them), I went upstairs to check on everyone. They had started to sober up, and everybody was crying about something or other. I know of two long-term relationships that died last night.

My question is this: what the hell gave these kids—and none of them were of legal drinking age, so they were kids—the idea that getting themselves piss-drunk would be conducive to a good time? More than half of them aren't going to remember any of this (good thing me and a couple other guys took pictures... >:-|), and it's a good thing: you would not believe what went on there. People who are normally only slightly strange went completely random after 6 or 7 coolers, and did things with other people's significant others that they wouldn't even do with their own.

For a while there, I was scared sh*tless. There was a very good chance I'd either get beat up, mauled, or stripped, and there were 1:1 odds I'd get liquor spilled on me. Try explaining THAT one to Mom add Dad, eh?

Anyway, sorry for ranting... I'd better get back to work. Talk to y'all later.

** leaves **
Deuce
Saturday, October 9, 1999 07:25:16 PM
IP: pppa109.connect.ab.ca

Robby, before you get totally sympathetic about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the aftermath. remember, it was war and by it's very nature it's not playing by the Marques of Queensbury rules. Whole families were wiped out due to the bombings and the aftermath. I read several issues of the Barefoot Gen comic. It was very graphic. And while I do feel sorry that anyone had to got throught that sort of hell, I won't be politically correct and say I wish it had never happened. It did. It is something that must and should stand like the concentration camps as something that must never happen again.

I suggest you also read about the Bataan Death March, the "comfort" girls who were basically prostitutes for the Japanese solders and other things the Japanese did to China and anyone else who fell by the way. There are Koreans born and living in Japan who had not choice in the initial relocation and are third and four generation and still considered second class citizens.

The Japanese brought hell to many places in the pacific rim. In return they didn't suffer nearly as much and were lucky that there was no wholesale invasion of their land. After the war they had help in rebuilding and as a result they are indeed a stronger and even more unified country.

The problem with war is that the people who are really hurt are the helpless such a children. I fear were are still a good many generations away from a truly integrated world. And when we are, I hope that the lessons learned from the wars of this century are used as a lesson in things not to do.


Theresa
Saturday, October 9, 1999 06:58:52 PM
IP: proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net

*Vallentine walks in, leaning heavily on a cane and looking a bit pale*

Lordy be, what a way to start the weekend... I was up until one in the morning last night trying to throw together a GURPS adventure for a friend that was supposed to drop by today, and when I funally got to bed my brain was too keyed up for sleep. The sandman waited until three in the morning to show up, and then my dad woke me up at seven this morning to help him change the oil filter on our car. While we were getting ready to do that, my mom called the friend's parent's to see about him coming up, and his dad decided to postpone his visit till next week.
After I heard that, I went inside and tried to go back to sleep, but the stress made me leave my breakfast on my bedroom floor.

Not a fun way to start the day.

*Jacks into his terminal, and absorbs the last week's worth of posts*

Well, well, well... Intersesting topics abound...

Robby - As horrible as the nagisaki and hiroshima bombings were, they still don't hold a candle to the firebombings that preceded them. It's been a while since I read up on the stats of the raids, but the firebombing of tokyo erased a good portion of the city... and I'm pretty sure Tokyo was a heck of a lot bigger than either of the other two...

As to the justifacation of the bombings, it should be mentioned that the radical Japanese generals had already started handing out pointy sticks to the general populace, and that the American generals were gearing up for a war of extirmination. Projected losses for the invasion of Japan were three million Americans, and it is likely that Japanese losses would have been at least triple that. I seem to remember a quote from an American general to the effect that by the time he was done, the Japanese language would be spoken only in hell. aiaf it weren't for the bomb, there might not BE a Japan.

Duece - Grats on the one year anniversery! Haven't gotten a chance to read the whole speech, but I hop to on monday...

Sarge - Loved the "Drunk" song! Keep 'em coming...

*Valentine checks his watch*

Hmm... Looks like it's time to go... See y'all on monday, and here's to hopin' all of us sick people will be well by then...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
dallas
Saturday, October 9, 1999 05:28:22 PM
IP: 205.165.166.140

Hello, all. Bruce Campbell/Evil Dead fans might like to check out my name link. ^_^
Wilek
Saturday, October 9, 1999 05:11:11 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Jenna> thanks =)

Robby> I certainly understand why you felt as you have since seeing the 'other side' of the story - you have great compassion and it's comforting to see that. However, we must not loose sight of why the bombing took place. We had the technology, yes... but also during that war, the Japanese were trained and determined to fight until death with no backing down. The decision was made to drop the bomb to end the incredible numbers of deaths that would have ocurred if we had stuck to the ground war. Far more numbers - on both sides - would have been killed if the war had been allowed to continue. IF Japan had been allowed to win, we could currently be under Japanese influence/empire... for those who would have been allowed to survive. During the war, the Japanese slaughtered many of the captured Americans because they considered anyone who was captured or surrendered as dogs, lowest form of life, a disgrace, etc. That was their culture and their way of thinking at the time. Writings have been discovered of their plans on what to do with americans here in the states when "they won the war" and they were not of compassion, I assure you.
It is good to have compassion and to remember that the solider or innocent victim in a war battle has a family too, they have love, they hate, they feel, they have dreams and ambitions just as you or I do - that is what keeps us a civilized nation. But sometimes, you just gotta' do what you have to do. Where would we have been now if none of the wars had ever been fought? I'm not a "whoop 'em up, kick their ass, and jump right into war" kind of person, but I do think that there are times that it can not be avoided. Yes, there are tragedies on both sides and we should always keep a sense of compassion when considering the need for a war. But, should we have dropped the bomb? IMO, yes.
Are we going to whoop it up and strut around like peacocks because we won that war? *nods* yep, it's human nature. But I don't for a moment think that it was done without a great emotional loss to many of our men fighting that war, because they too had compassion. No matter who wins the war, there are great losses on both sides and for all involved.
Jannie
Saturday, October 9, 1999 03:07:08 PM
IP: 196-058.c.esc4.net

Jannie- well, you took the words right out of my mouth. (and you were far more calm about it then I was -;) ) I suppose this is a topic that is ...well, way too close to home for me. If this artst really wanted to do a quaility piece he should not have opted to use children's toys. He may be trying to show irony, but he is in reality trivalizing the entire thing.

And to those who died, and survived, and lost loved ones and are going though it now-- I don't think genecide is very trivial.

There I go again, pardon me while I put the rant in low gear--back, jen, back.

But Jannie I think you nailed it. Thanks.

One thing that really disturbs me that is illustrates is the use of "sbock art". There are many talented artists in here, so what do you all think- is anything art ? To me, art should require effort, thought.

Some people have smashed cars together and called it art, I don't see it like that. Some times I wonder if this air of "sophesitcation" that some shock artists hide behind, is more of a smoke screen to hide there own lack of talent. Paint me or draw me a pic, then I'll call you an artist. But smash cars, pervert children's toys, put bodily extrements on paintings of deieties- then well, your not some one with a message, your looking to shock not to enlighten.

To me that is not art at all--
jenna
Saturday, October 9, 1999 02:12:11 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-43.hstntx.swbell.net

Holocaust- All of this talk about desensitizing has brought forth memories of Hiroshima for me... Back in oh, 8th grade, we were assigned an essay on the subject of "Were Americans right to drop the bomb"? My essay's answer was a resounding "Yes", as it saved lives in the long run and ended the war. That summer, on my annual visit to my cousin Bryan, he introduced me to an anime video titled "Barefoot Gen". Basically it was a movie that showed the OTHER side's point of view. Here we're so bombarded with slogans of "We were right to do what we did" and textbooks glorifying this, that when I saw Barefoot Gen, I cried, and changed my opinion completely around. I have never once for a moment since thought we were right to drop an atomic bomb... Basically what I'm trying to say is, we ARE being desensitized because we as a society try to cover up what we don't like to think about. Its sad really. When I got home I bought a copy of Barefoot Gen, and made sure every history class in the school saw it. (Or thats the theory anyway.) Hopefully, it made a difference...

By the by, Barefoor Gen is DEFINATLEY worth seeing if you can find it. Its not exactly a thrill ride, but its not meant to be...
Robby
Saturday, October 9, 1999 02:02:25 PM
IP: spider-wb023.proxy.aol.com

Jenna> touche' I agree 300% with you. We have become a society of being desensitized and swinging so far to be "politically correct" that sometimes people loose their perspective and sensitivity. I see such a rapid decrease in just plain ol' respect, that it sickens me sometimes. If someone doesn't believe the same as you do, that's fine - but show some common courtesy, good manners and respect for others. It really doesn't take that much. I won't try to impose my beliefs on anyone - (I am entitled to state my opinions and beliefs, but not force them or expect everyone else to abide by them.) But, if someone has a different belief, then I will respect that and not insult them or what they believe in. Like I said, it boils down to having little respect.
BTW, have you been to the Holocust museum in Houston? Brought tears to my eyes..... we should never forget nor never become desensitize to such horror.
Jannie
Saturday, October 9, 1999 01:05:35 PM
IP: 196-058.c.esc4.net

read my post and realized I forgot one thing.

Remember that these millions of people were people too. Sometimes we get so lost in the numbers we loose sight of the people. I think it's most important to remeber the humanity of people who died or survived through anytype of genecide. The best way I have seen this ever portrayed is through the holocost museum in DC. When it opened, I remeber seeing the photo shoot that the post did, that's where I saw the piles of personal items. That really got to me, more than anything. Esp. the photos and shoes. It drives home that every one of those who died had family, and hopes and dreams like me. And it shows how they had there humanity stolen from them in such a systematic manner as the nazis did.

The nazis saw the people pretty much as legos, as animals, as stick figures. Once you see someone as less than human, it makes it easier to do terrible things to them.

i think we should talk about the holocost. But we should also talk about those who did die as people, not as pieces of meat or numbers. Only when we see the humanity of the victims, does the horrible awefulness of genecide hit home. They were more than legos, they were flesh and blood. Not animals, but children of God.

That's it-- I'm done.
jenna
Saturday, October 9, 1999 11:54:50 AM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-117.hstntx.swbell.net

hmmm- sorry, I'm still of the opinion that I dislike this legos stuff- I just don't think some thing like that should be talked with in legos-- I think it;s innaproriate. If you want to show the horror of what happened, and what is happening, go with photos and personal accounts. Or show the piles and pile of shoes, and photos, and teeth, and other personal items that were found at the camps. These are items that were taken from people who were killed.

This is a very, hot subject with me. I know people who are the only surviors of there entire family. And they were the lucky ones. I am all for talking about these atrocities. But I look at those damned lego sets and I think, what if my brother, or father was one of those who are supposed to be represented. It chills me, because this artist is taking the humanity out of the victims. And when we take out the humanity, it makes it easier to allow things like this to happen again, weather we do it in the name of art or country, or god or political correctness.

Some will call me self rightous, but this reminds me of someone trying to show the sacredness of God by putting fecies on a picture of Jesus, and watching how people react. It's insensitive.

That's all I'm going to say about this damned "art" piece.




jenna
Saturday, October 9, 1999 11:36:41 AM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-117.hstntx.swbell.net

Today, I saw something from a nightmare. Something forged in the pits of Hell itself. Something that could make even the strongest gargoyle's very existence vomit forth from his nose onto the ground before him. Something that simply should not be. Friends, I have seen evil, I have seen horror, I have seen the unholy maggots which feast in the depths of the human soul, but until now, I had never seen...Jar Jar's Journeys. <dramatic music> It's this new computer game/animated storybook, and it is a hideous perversion of all that is Star Wars. <shudder> I'm OK now, but it took me quite a while to stop roaring and clawing at my eyes. We have to kill this thing, this creature, this blight upon the Gungan race, this lone amphibian of the Apocalypse, before it can claim our children, before it can drag us into whatever Hell it has constructed for all who truly love Star Wars. $(Jespe from the RP made me add the 'blight upon the Gungan race' bit. He knows upward of 50 different ways to kill someone just with that machete he carries around, so I'm inclined to follow his suggestions.)$

TJ Veil> <<How many other people here will not recieve the WB now that it has dropped WGN (if you got it before)? And what area do you live in?>> I won't, and I live in the upper Midwest. :/

Jessie Feff> <<Gad, how can I last until November? SLEEPY HOLLOW, DOGMA, and MONONOKE...three movies I have been waiting almost a year for.>> Ah, Sleepy Hollow...I am gonna love this. Not only is it a marvellously sick little tale all by itself, but...it's directed by Tim Burton, no? So there's a fair chance that Danny Elfman will be doing the music, which itself will make the movie worth seeing. Oh, and isn't Christina Ricci going to be in it? ^_^

Jenna> <<about finding gargs on Genesis-- look on ebay, under games, and also on the link I have here. It's too a company called Funco.com- all they do is sell used games and such, and they have a huge selection, and very good quality. I got my gargoyles game there for the Sega. They also sell the older game players like Sega, Nintendo, ect. to contact them. They may have what your looking for.>> Thanks! :D Oh, and wonderfully written commentary. :) And you needn't worry too much about spelling my name wrong, it's not that big a deal. :)

Deuce> Trephination> Extremely kewl song. ^_^ <<The scariest thing: I didn't have to use a dictionary to spell trephination>> You neither? ;) <<C'mon here: the Jews are the skeletons from the Castle sets! The freakin' SKELETONS! It's not just shocking, it's insensitive.>> Ugh, I noticed that. Somehow, it's what does more than anything to push this whole thing right over the edge of good taste (as if it weren't already way outside that edge). Thing is, I like the skeleton figures, but not when they're used like *this*. <shudder>

Mandolin> <<I've got to say that one of the most vocal organizations on this campus is TEA (Tolerance, Education, Acceptance). Why? At 10 pm, they're sponsoring Hood's first annual "drag ball.">> O_o' If you see a guy there with red hair and an English accent, ask him about recombinant DNA theory. :P j/k

Coyote> <<Hey, that dearth of Garg merchandise leaves us with only one option, one I've taken on numerous occasions...MAKE YER OWN!>> Hee hee hee--I came to a similar conclusion a while back. :D If I ever get my printer working, I'll have a lot of pics to take to a place at the mall that puts them on T-shirts...

SJ> <<especially the love triangle between Anita and the vampire who has the hots for her....and the werewolf who has the hots for her>> O_O <LOL> Oh, does this sound fun! I HAVE to check this out! :D

Oh, and click my name. It all makes a terrible kind of sense now...
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, October 9, 1999 04:30:48 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Greetings all...

Some good news! The missus and I went out car shopping, and, while we didn't get the first one we liked, we did get a nice '88 Ford Aerostar minivan that fit what we needed. :)

Now, I just need to put my Garg-Power vinyl decal on one of the windows... Bando! How do you make this think work, eh?

Will have more to say later! :)
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, October 9, 1999 03:35:09 AM
IP: m176.ieway.com

Legos > have the Lego people landed on this guy with both feet yet? I recall reading something SJ had posted about a fellow who built Lego Hell or something like that, and he got in plenty of hot water for it.

Book stuff > spoke too soon; rejection letter waiting in the mail today :P

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, October 9, 1999 01:11:51 AM
IP: dial18.b2.tnt5.wa.freei.net

Heeeellllooo... I just went hunting for midis and since the old Garg theme I had didn't work, I hunted for that, and found a VERY cool version of it! Unfortunatley, a direct link won't work, so ya have to just go to the site... Its a VERY cool rendition... Just clickie my name or if that doesn't work use the addy below...
http://www.ifrance.com/Simbatoad/animes.htm


Robby the CR DJ
Saturday, October 9, 1999 01:09:37 AM
IP: spider-we071.proxy.aol.com

CrzyDemona> ["Deuce, you seem to think Canada is immune to the troubles of the rest of the world."] No... but it's a hell of a lot nicer than other places in the world. No psychotic genocidal leader, no civil war, no famine, very little poverty... "Wake up"? No. Canada is a part of the world, but we have very little in the ways of the world's problems.

And I'd say more but I'm scared I'd totally tell you off. Basically, Crzy, you've got me pegged wrong. Now I"m going to go hide in a corner and wait for my mom to come pick me up. Good night.
Deuce
Saturday, October 9, 1999 12:40:26 AM
IP: dialin023.connect.ab.ca

Our Homecoming game was a loss of 21 to 28, and it's no big surprise. This was probably one of the longest days of my life. It never ended! Had to be at school at 6:30 am, took a lot of freakin' tests, had to haul four Homecoming mums around, had a parade where I got dehydrated, had a band run- through of the show, and ended with the game. I think sleeping is my second favorite thing to do, and I'm all for it right now. First is a tie between dancing and chatting with you wonderful friends. *weak hugs*

Deuce> I have the CD of my ex's band, but I have no clue how to download and send anything like that. When I get a scanner very soon, I'll probably get my genius neighbor to do it all at once with pictures and music.

Wilek> Thanks!
SOROW
Saturday, October 9, 1999 12:37:30 AM
IP: dll2b112-22.splitrock.net

Spent a large part of today writing and drawing and playign Dragon Force. Saw a hilarious new Pokemon episode. Have spent good deal of time with Heather. Good day all in all.

Hmm, not much to say, its pretty much one topic today and I don't care to talk about the holocaust legos... Those poor legos went through a terrible tragedy, just leave them alone! Oh wait, its a different subject entirely...

Little Mermaid 2- I liked the original, and lets face it, if it weren't for that movie, Disney might just be out of the animation buisness today. It just irks me that they're making a sequal! I mean, whats left to tell?

Of coruse, the Hercules video "Zero to Hero" advertized as all new adventure was just a compilation of three television episodes... At least one of them was "The Mysterious Avenger", an ep written by Greg Weisman. I don't know about the other two though...

Midsummer's Night Dream- Considering I still know all the lines from it from when I had to play Puck... I'm kinda biased about the story now... By the way Scott, I *also* got smacked in the back of the head by Oberon... Which is odd cause its not really in the script... Neat coincy dink eh? (Or maybe I was just THAT annoying...)

Jessie Feff- Princess Mononoke's nationwide release is October 29. But since Disney is being a bunch of dumb***** about it and clearly don't thing a PG-13 movie is going to make it, they don't seem to be advertising any, and its onyl going to be released in X ammount of theaters, not nearly the treatment it should get. **Sigh** I suppose if it does at all wel, THEN the idiots will make it a real release...

Oh yeah...
21 DAYS UNTIL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE!

Robby
Friday, October 8, 1999 10:52:32 PM
IP: spider-we011.proxy.aol.com

A few comments. Hopefully a RP tomorrow.

Lord of the Rings News!!!
The exciting news is that production on the films begins MONDAY!!! Pre-production is over, now on to the real stuff! Plus, more casting announcements have been made. The following people are now cast in the following roles:
The lovely CATE BLANCHETT as Galadriel
KEVIN CONWAY as Theoden
BRAD DOURIF as Grima Wormtongue
and ANDY SERKIS as the voice of Golem.
I'm fairly pleased with these casting decisions. Serkis is essentially an unknown this side of the Atlantic, and Conway is a veteran actor (note to Skippy--he played Kahless in TNG!). And you can't go wrong with Cate Blanchett!! But I'm perhaps most excited with the casting of Brad Douriff. I would have been more pleased with the initial rumored casting of Jeffrey Combs in this part, but Brad is a fine actor, one that is regrettable underappreciated and often type-cast. If you don't believe he's a capable actor, check him out in the classic "One Flew Over a Cuckoo's Nest", or even the wonderful Babylon 5 episode "Passing Through Gethsemane"....or if you want to see him in some low-rent stuff, he played Chucky in the Child's Play films....

Nazi Legos: Okay, some of you don't understand what I'm trying to say with this, and you've totally misunderstood my initial comments. I don't mind if the guy wants to bring attention to a horrible moment in history with the intent of burning into our cerebral cortexs that all important message of "Never Again". Okay, got you there. I have no problem talking about the Holocaust; it is a dark point in our existence as a species, true, but we cannot ignore it, for that old addage of those who do not remember the past live to repeat it is frighteningly true. Modern day neo nazi movements that have the testicular fortitude to claim the Holocaust never happened are proof of that. I vehemently disagree with this man's methods of getting his message across. "Shock" is not the best way in which to enlighten the masses of such a heavy subject, no matter how dense he conceives the masses to be.
Come on. He builds concentration camps out of legos. He built JEWISH SKELETONS in little plastic cells guarded by the Gestapo. And he calls it art, and he can hide behind his "art", no matter that the level of bad taste he implements is staggering, because his "art" has a message. Yes, the Holocause was horrible, and we should remember it for that. Should we have to be reminded of that through the aid of children's toys twisted into deathheads? The harsh bigotry and racism centered towards African-Americans, today and yesterday, is a horrible thing to, you don't see me building a lynch mob scene with G.I.Joes do you? Hey, maybe I can scrounge up some Rugrats toys, and put together a nice little diorama of Hasidic tots being led to the ovens. This guy's work is FU!!ED UP, "art" or not. That's my point. You want to educate us on the Holocaust, try something a little less offensive. If I was Jewish, I'd be *really* pissed. I don't know, maybe that's just me. Maybe I'm "sensitive" or some crap like that.

Ironwolf: I too am a fan of the Anita Blake series, written by Laurell K. Hamilton. I've greatly enjoyed the series; it's got good action, nice characterization (especially the love triangle between Anita and the vampire who has the hots for her....and the werewolf who has the hots for her...), some dark humor in there....Overall, a fun, nicely done set of books. I have most of them, and I'd recommend them to everybody.

***HARSH REALM***
Caught the premiere of Harsh Realm tonight. I'm not too sure....I liked it better than Millennium, but it lacks what X-Files initially had...still, it was interesting, I suppose. I think the virtuall reality bit has been done better in the Matrix (with which this show has been compared), but there seems to be enough intrigue and conflict to carry the show. I was pleased to see the always enjoyable D.B. Sweeney in a starring role, as well as the lovely Samantha Mathis and Millennium regular Terry O'Quinn. It was fun to see cameos by Lance Henriksen and Gillian Anderson (well, her voice anyway) also. I didn't think it quite lived up to the hype that has surrounded it, but it's certainly interesting enough for me to give it a second look.
****END HARSH REALM REVIEW***

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, October 8, 1999 10:02:58 PM
IP: 207-172-53-11.s11.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

**enters glumly, switching out the candles and flopping down in the massage chair**

**sigh** I hate when life seems to gang up on me ... I have a cold, I'm working crappy hours, and on top of everything else the transmission in the Caddy decided to go on strike. It's back in the shop again, and I'm back to bumming rides ... *again* ... until I can get it fixed. :(

**heavy sigh** Oh well, maybe some replies can get my mood back up ... then again, considering the recent subject matter ...

Concentration Camp Lego Sets: I'm leaning in the direction of Patrick and Crzy's viewpoint, that the artist isn't trying to poke fun at anyone with the Lego sets. I actually find his choice of skeletons to portray the Jews as quite fitting, since by the time those who had survived were liberated from the camps, skeletons were pretty much all they were due to starvation and disease. It's shocking, true, but look at the other works the artist is undertaking which involve toys (mentioned in the LA Times article), and you'll see that this is pretty much keeping in tune with his body of work.
Incidentally, the Lego company *is* in Denmark, *but* Denmark, while not mentioned a lot in WWII texts, was under Nazi control during the war ... or at the very least, they were isolated from anything *but* the Nazis by their location on the European continent. (Not entirely sure about it being controlled by Germany, if anyone knows otherwise, feel free to correct me.)
Folks, I'll take it one step further ... while I wouldn't take it quite as far as this artist, if there was some sort of product aimed at children that served to educate them about anything in history, I would buy it. Because we can't put our children in ivory towers forever ... true, the Holocaust was a horrible episode in the history of the world, but as a great philosopher said, *if we forget our past, we are doomed to forever repeat it.* 'Tis obvious that nations such as Bosnia and Somalia *have* forgotten the lessons that the rise and fall of Nazi Germany taught the world.
And don't think I'm being insensitive, either ... on the contrary, I find the Holocaust to be appalling, especially considering that I have a Jewish half-brother.

Wilek: Hey, that dearth of Garg merchandise leaves us with only one option, one I've taken on numerous occasions ...
MAKE YER OWN! As folks can attest who've seen my airbrushed shirt, as you all can attest by the way I've been talking about my car, I definitely take this option every time. :)

Jannie, re: link: Sick and wrong ... sick ... and ... wrong!! We've got a town here in Michigan that holds huge Bavarian-themed festivals (Frankenmuth, which I sometimes think was transplanted, soil and all, direct from southern Germany), but *they* never put something like *THAT* in their newspaper ads!!!

**shudders**

Oh, and for those who've been trying to figure out the song lyrics I've been leaving in place of a location this week ... put them together in chronological order and you get the refrain to the Michigan State fight song. Tomorrow's the big game with Michigan ... it's probably the highest-profile this game has *ever* been in my lifetime (both teams are undefeated and within the top 15 in the polls, and pretty much the winner's going to be *guaranteed* a New Year's Day bowl game). Even though I work tomorrow, I'm taping the game ... don't NOBODY tell me how it comes out until I watch it!! :)

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating on the candle ... which this evening is green and white.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
"Victory for MSU!"
Friday, October 8, 1999 09:27:35 PM
IP: modem15.i-is.com

Jannie - ::BUSTING UP!:: The other OTHER white meat!
CrzyDemona
Friday, October 8, 1999 08:19:38 PM
IP: 209.150.94.67

*waves* hi all!
busy busy room!! *looks at her piccie choice* who's Asrial? i guess I'll find out!!

Valentine< thanks :) I asked my mom about that and she couldn't remember either.

Kaioto< awesome essay!!!!

Green Baron< we do have a library that Lexy could go to but its still about 2 miles away from her house, and she can only go on for a half hour... so she is better off coming to my house which is another 4 blocks away. then she can stay on for as long as she wants, and then she can talk to ppl on ICQ too.

Little Mermaid 2< *gags* help!!!!! my little sisters would be in Seventh Heaven, but help me god!! I hated that movie....

T.J.< I"m not totally sure what you meant, but I still watch the WB, but I don't pay for it either :)

Deuce< the world is going to hell?? man, it went a long time ago!!! it went when they legalized abortion and took prayer out of schools, and even more when Clinton came to presidency. sorry, just my opinion that is.

gotta go! bye everybody!
cherry blossom - [Chryblsm15@aol.com]
WI, US of A
Friday, October 8, 1999 08:15:49 PM
IP: 98afc952.ipt.aol.com

Hi. I'm back.
Denmark, huh? I remember reading somewhere that the big Lego factory was in Germany. Or at least that A big Lego factory was in Germany.

When I saw Wilek's link, that's what came into my mind. I figured the guy was trying to make a statement, something along the lines of using a cute, harmless, loveable product from Germany to cry out against the Holocaust (Or at least rub salt in the wounds).

I'm also willing to consider the idea that he was just trying to be shocking and objectionable. Some people who lack the talent and vision for real, valid artistic expression settle for being crass instead. Then they try to tell anybody who takes offense that they're just misunderstood, or that their detractors are trying to take away their freedom of expression.

I think that's enough ranting for one evening, especially since I'm getting away from my main point.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, October 8, 1999 08:06:53 PM
IP: pppa42-fortworth7-1r234.saturn.bbn.com

Denis> umm sorry hon.. typo.. I didn't "chunk" after hugging you.. hehehe... I meant chuckLing ;)
Jannie
Friday, October 8, 1999 08:01:07 PM
IP: 196-067.c.esc4.net

click on my name to see an ad that appeared in our local newspaper... *blinks* Does it appear to look like to you what it does to me, or is my mind way down in the gutter yet again? ;) *coughs* why yes, we grow EVERYTHING big in Texas and so damn proud of it, we have a festival in it's honor and mount them on sticks.... *snickers* That lady sure has a really BIG smile on her face!! *g*
*hugs her Denis and walks out chucking*
Jannie
Friday, October 8, 1999 07:59:32 PM
IP: 196-067.c.esc4.net

Patrick - AMEN BROTHER! I totally agree. I think all of you need to go back and read the WHOLE article. (really there are more than just pictures on the page... HONEST!) I perhaps don't agree with it... but this isn't just some skin head bashing on Jewish people. Don't be cattle, my friends... have your own minds and make your own decisions and do your own research before coming to a conclusion.

Deuce, you seem to think Canada is immune to the troubles of the rest of the world. Perhaps you and your way of thinking is why this man chose to make such shocking subjects his life. Shake us up and wake us up a little to the real world. We all live on this planet. We are all one race... one people... until we understand that... there will never be peace.
CrzyDemona
Friday, October 8, 1999 07:43:49 PM
IP: 209.150.94.67

Patrick> My biggest problem isn't that this guy "dares" to discuss the Holocaust, it's that he trivializing it by lowering it to the level of an "AquaShark Undersea Base". C'mon here: the Jews are the skeletons from the Castle sets! The freakin' SKELETONS! It's not just shocking, it's insensitive.

Did anyone lampoon Spielberg for Schindler's List? Bengini for Life Is Beautiful? I don't mind being reminded of horrors; it makes me thankful that I live in Canada where stuff like that is far, far away. But this guy is mocking one of the most disgusting and horrifying eras in human history and calling it "art". And that's what pisses me off.
Deuce
Friday, October 8, 1999 07:09:58 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

My 2 cents on the Legos issue...

First, Legos were invented in Denmark. Whoever said it's a German company is mistaken.

Second, how many of you posting how "shocked, shocked!" you are actually took a moment or two to scroll down and read the article that accompanied the photos?

Seems to me that the artist who created these works has already suceeded in making his point. Modern society preaches the slogan "Never Forget / Never Again," yet at the same time it seemingly can't stand it when someone dares bring the topic up. "How dare you challenge me to think... how dare you remind me that the world has not always been perfect like it is right now" - those kind of reactions pervade, often with a healthy does of righteous indignation heaped on top.

We find it comforting to our own sense of modern, politically correct values to look back on WWII and the Holocaust and dismissively say "Yes, that was terrible, but it could surely never happen again." Yet the same kind of things are happening right now, in places like Bosnia. (Can you say "ethnic cleansing," boys and girls? I knew you could...)

So if the glaring contrast created when an until-now unknown Polish artist renders a tragic episode of history in child's building blocks can keep people thinking and talking, I'm all for it. The minute we brush any piece of history aside and refuse to discuss it because we find the topic too abhorent for our 21st century sensibilities (yes, that's sarcasm), we're doomed to repeat it.

:: end editorial ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, October 8, 1999 06:53:13 PM
IP: abd0c89f.ipt.aol.com

I've stopped posting with my e-mail addy temporarily... the spam is starting to annoy me...

David G> <<I'm probably going to regret saying this, but I have a comment about the Concentration Camp legos: Did it strike anyone but me as just a bit significant that the guy who made them was Polish, and Legos is a German company? >> Yeah, I thought about that too... and frankly, as a result I really don't know what to make of this. It's just the fact that the maker is using Legos to depict something like the Holocaust, which really lends a sick irony to it. *sigh* I don't know. I just do not know.

Selling fetuses> I'm not sure about this either. I don't like the idea of SELLING fetuses, period. There should not be a market for that. I understand the aim of medical research, of course, but making a market out of that just sickens me. Of course, I have no alternative options for how to deal with that, but...

Now to get to some more light-hearted stuff.

Real tired today. I'm committing myself to doing something productive for the next three hours (either homework or TGS) then N&A is on at 9, and at 10 pm... well, I've got to say that one of the most vocal organizations on this campus is TEA (Tolerance, Education, Acceptance). Why? At 10 pm, they're sponsoring Hood's first annual "drag ball." I'm going as a strict spectator, but I'm bringing my camera... rumor is that some of the guys from IT are participating. Blackmail material is always useful. :)

And just because I know there are a couple people who watch the show in here...

**N&A SPOILERS/RUMORS!**

Just got some info on the October 22nd ep, although I can't verify it quite yet:

"Like a Good Neighbor" -- When Michael discovers that Lisa had to put their house up for sale for financial reasons, he convinces Theo to let him become his old nemesis' assistant. Chad Lowe guest stars as Craig Spence, Michael's former apprentice, who took the promotion that belonged to Michael. When Theo realizes that Michael will never accept his new life if he is constantly consumed with his family's well-being, he agrees to let Michael infiltrate his old insurance company and squeeze the money out of Spence.

Still surprised that Morris is actually letting him get away with this... but if it's true, who else would love to see it? :)

**END SPOILERS!**

Deuce> What an absolutely lovely anniversary page... *sigh* Maybe I should show Dave that to torture him (just kidding). Seriously, happy anniversary to both of you.

Midwest Gathering> I could deal with that... and you know, since so many Gargs fans are also Buffy fans, Cleveland would have a special significance. :)

*thuds head on desk* Okay. Got to wake up and work a bit...
Mandolin
Friday, October 8, 1999 06:06:36 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

I'm probably going to regret saying this, but I have a comment about the Concentration Camp legos: Did it strike anyone but me as just a bit significant that the guy who made them was Polish, and Legos is a German company?

Ironwolf> I noticed the same thing about Doyle. I wonder if the series writers did? (I hope so)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, October 8, 1999 04:12:18 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

I really need to stop posting at work. If I don't proof read I sound like Jar Jar Binks eck.
Ironwolf
Friday, October 8, 1999 03:15:59 PM
IP: host-216-78-82-173.cha.bellsouth.net

WB I kind of lucky in that a station is picking up some show and airing them late at night, but wb kids is gone for good in my area. I still get to see buffy and angel just at weird times angel came on last night
Spoilers I guess though I think everyone saw b and a by now**
Really like angel; good music nice action. I like that the bad guy was so used to protecting himself from justice and had such a corp mind set that he forgot about good old fashion violence. Now who wants to see spike and drue? Sorry I really like spike yea he is a blood sucking parasite form hell, but he loves drue so mabey it is the romantic in me but I can’t really hate a guy that can love as totally as he dose.
Buffy at first I didn’t like it because she was starting all over. She was going through the I am not good enough stage like the beginning of the show. Then I realized that 1 her boyfriend left her 2 moved to a new location 3insecure about the rest of her life because of 1 and 2 . So her going through a little self doubt and getting her but kicked made sense.

Ps did any one noticing something familiar about angels side kick?
1 half demon
2 sees future
3 human mother
here is a hint if he starts talking about a sword Angel need to bite him
End of spoilers

Speaking of vampires laurell hamilton has a series of books out. Anita Blake vampire slayer is the series and Guilty Pleasures is the first book. They are really good a horror/detective/romance kind of story.

Disturbing stuff> selling fetuses. Well all I can say is Parkinson’s disease(yea I misspelled it sorry all you medical guy and gals) fetal research is leading to a cure for this. Even though I personally think abortion is wrong I am a guy and so I have no right to tell a women if she can or can’t have one. That is her decision not mine. so if it is going to happen then at least some good should come out of such a sad situation.

ironwolf
Friday, October 8, 1999 02:43:18 PM
IP: host-216-78-82-173.cha.bellsouth.net

Good Afternoon(At least it is here)

I don't want to start up a real debate about this but about the mail order fetus issue I must say that there is a reason why this type of industry exists.
As a university student(Currently working towards my p.h.d. and I am still looking towards the medical field when I am finished.) we do a large amount of research that requires live, dead, or preserved tissue. I won't get into the details by when we need the stuff we just call up to the biotech company and say that we need X amount of Y delivered by tomorrow or two months of work will go down the tube because the bacterial culture was not transferred to the proper medium at the right time.
These companies are not there to provide these things to the general public and I would be quite surprised if it were possible for a normal person to just purchase one of these things. Normally there is an excessive amount of work involved with the first order that you send to a biotech company. In canada they check to see if you are currently working for a university, doing research for a private company or are doing legitamate research with private funding. If you don't fall into one of these catagories, good luck because they take precidence. A normal citizen would normally not be permitted a shipment of human body parts, biohazard level 3-4 deseases or some chemicals that are restricted. After the first shipment it gets easy because they know who you are and will only ship it to the same address without another check.
The human fetus is probably for research companies and medical schools. What type of research needs these items you might ask. embryology, microbiology, biochemistry, neurology, genetics, kinesiology, molecular biology and lets not forget the medical fields that use the samples.
As distressing as this may be to some people these products are generally for research and not for the general public. Someone may get their hands on the material but that is not who it is intended for.
These companies provide samples for universities across North America and sometimes around the world. They do alot of work that nobody else wants to do. How many prople would like to euthanize 1000 cats and then fill their circulatory systems with latex so that students can learn anatomy from them, and don't start with the computer simulation. I've tried both, the computer is a great guide for a dissection but it can't compare to the tactile feel of the specimne. Without a real dissection I would never know the difference between connective tissue and muscle tissue except for a visual image and a description of the tactile difference. It's just not the same. It may not be pretty but these businesses serve a purpose in the research field. I do not condone the sale of these tissues if they are for a private citizen to have in his closet, but if they are for research then I support it.
Yggdrasil - [gperry@iprimus.ca]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, October 8, 1999 01:44:36 PM
IP: dialin18.kitchener.globalserve.net

Lego concentration camp: Oh, God... what the f*ck is wrong with these people? WHY IS THE WHOLE FRIGGING WORLD GOING TO HELL?!?!?

Many thanks to all those who wished Catherine and me a happy anniversary. It was, and the present I got was fantastic. *holds a sheet of poems* Believe me, the whole library thought I was insane when I broke down crying at 8:00 in the morning. :-)

Wilek> Click my name for the lyrics to "Trephination". Yes, it's a primitive form of brain surgery, but in context it refers to drilling a hole in the skull to relieve pressure on the brain. A warning to ye: it's a VERY sick song. (The scariest thing: I didn't have to use a dictionary to spell trephination.) ["And there are no decent Gargs T-shirts either."] My little brother won a Gargoyles T-shirt from Fox network several years ago, the lucky little rat. :-) It doesn't fit me at all, sadly.

That reminds me: I went to the store the other day to buy a Pokémon shirt. NONE OF THEM FIT ME! With the popularity of the show amoung 13-19 year olds as well as 6-11 year olds, I don't see why they dont make them in XXXXL (even the XLs were very tight, and I'm not a big person).

SOROW> *hugs* I'm glad you had such a good time at the show. Could you hook me up with some RealAudio files of the band's stuff? They sound pretty damn neat.

G2001 in California: Bob and I are planning a road trip for Summer '01; we're going to Detroit, Iowa (YES!!!), New York, and Washington DC among other places... maybe we could make a stop.

I've gotta go now... TTYL.
Deuce - [bipolar@curtain.cjb.net]
Friday, October 8, 1999 01:25:32 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Jenna: *simply bows deeply* Profound.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, October 8, 1999 01:25:21 PM
IP: 141.133.123.131

Wilek, Wilek, Wilek-- there I got the spelling right, finally--

May make a more personal post later..

jenna
Friday, October 8, 1999 12:40:38 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

BTW- Weleik (forgive my spelling) I just did a search on Funco and they have the Gargoyles game for the Genesis for $4.99 !!!!

Hope my ramble below was not too preachy for some people..
jenna
Friday, October 8, 1999 12:37:51 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Pist off- havent heard from you in some time...

Weilk-- about finding gargs on Genesis-- look on ebay, under games, and also on the link I have here. It's too a company called Funco.com- all they do is sell used games and such, and they have a huge selection, and very good quality. I got my gargoyles game there for the Sega. They also sell the older game players like Sega, Nintendo, ect. to contact them. They may have what your looking for. And you can order from online!!

Cherry blossem- I love CS Lewis works- he has always been a big influence in both my writing and life.

Aaron-- did the link I gave you help?

Now for more serious commentary--

Both of these things (the legos/death camps & selling of destroyed fetus' ) is disgusting. I totally agree with Servious Jr, and those who have commented on these unpleasent topics already..here's my two cents.

We live in a world where atrocities and brutality has become chick and glamorized. It has become fashionable to believe in nothing. But when you believe in nothing, then nothing is sacred. Not life, yours or others. This is the world around us, a world that believes in nothing, and produces nothing.

How it got to be this bad, or why it is this bad can be answered both by psychologists, religious scholars, and pretty much every armchair scholar ever to speak. We all have our own theories, and really the reason why is not as important as this: What do we do now?

I would be an idiot to say evil does not exist in men's hearts. That there are those who would rape and kill you without so much as a second thought. How do we choose to exist in a world such as this?

The world around us does affect us, but we can choose to believe in the sanctity of life, when others do not. Remeber that there are mothers who would lay down there life for there children if needed, and that there are people who how would stop to help someone in need.

You have to be wise of the ways of the world, but you have to power to choose not to follow them.

It also helps me when I read things like the links here, some words of the bible "Before you were formed in the womb, I knew you." Those children may have been nothing to those who aborted them, and to those to use there parts, but they matter to someone. They have not been forgotten. (hope I dont sound to preachy here- if so, sorry)

Deleen in B5 once said "Destorying is easy, Building is hard." We can choose to destroy eachother and ourselves, or we can choose to builld. And if what we create is destroyed, build it again, and build it better. To choose to be positive and hopeful is not weakness, as everyone thinks-- it is a sign of strength.

End of ramble


jenna
Friday, October 8, 1999 12:26:11 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

New on my site > a whole heap o' new pics! Four or five Jerichos, Amber, Dee, Ventura, and Raven from "Night Saber". Also a book review of "Meg" by Steve Alten. Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Book progress > no new rejection letters yet; I've still got three queries out there. And I am 3 and 1/2 chaps from the end of finishing the new one. Should be all done in a week! Yay! A few Gargoyle influences ... Quisfahr the shaper-mage, who loved turning things into other things, is pretty much Sevarius with pointy ears ; ) But then. Lord Taron in the 2nd and 3rd MageLore books kept wanting to be Xanatos ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, October 8, 1999 11:33:27 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Wilek > <<EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!>> Yeah, tell me about it. And it was worse, 'cause there were gargoyles involved. Such "gargoyle-bashing" never would have affected me five years ago, though.

Whew, I dunno about those Lego kits...sadly, I was already aware of the fetis situation.

Hey, Robby, do you know when MONONOKE will be released wide? Gad, how can I last until November? SLEEPY HOLLOW, DOGMA, and MONONOKE...three movies I have been waiting almost a year for.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 8, 1999 11:20:22 AM
IP: ctrpc08.mrs.umn.edu

Wow-- lot of things to comment to on in here. I will comment on Wilek's and Duece's posts first-- but I may save that for later when I have more time..

First things first--

Aaron- don't know if I gave you hugs back-- if not :hugs:


Green Baron- :Thanks bud. Hugs back to ya too:: ^_^

Kioto- loved your post- well done-not much I can really add to it.

ironwolf- yes ded bob was selling his shirts at the Ren Faire- he's running for president-- ^_^

Xanathar- thanks :hugs:

more later...
jenna
Friday, October 8, 1999 11:10:46 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Wilek and Deuce's links> Geez, those'll wake you up in the morning.

Deuce's link> I agree, selling them, and talking about them like spare parts is pretty sick. On the other hand, if they weren't used for research, they'd just be destroyed as medical waste. At least this way *maybe* some good can come of this. I gotta say, I like the other link you left us *much* better.

Wilek's link> I don't even know what to say about this, except that there are probably people out there who'd want a set of these.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, October 8, 1999 10:31:58 AM
IP: ppp-147.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Good Morning to all>> well it's countdown time at work for finishing the remodel, construction is to be done by the 10TH (ha ha) it seems that everytime a new aspect of the project is started something comes up missing or damaged and has to be ordered. One case is in the new "pantery" area of the store- it required all new counters, only one eighty foot counter never arrived, so they order it. This however leaves 160 counter feet of merchandise with no home, because we have to put other stuff in it's old place. BIG MESS. Then the counter shows up, construction crew assembles it, only to find out that the parts for ten feet of the counter did not arrive with it-- so again we cannot complete the counter. It has been like this all over the store. I'm telling you those MURPHY demons are working overtime here.

Stephen S>>Honor Harrington books, more good stuff to come, I just finished "Echos of Honor" and can't wait for the next
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, October 8, 1999 09:01:39 AM
IP: 216.190.241.200

Midsummer Night's Dream > I saw this performance in elementary school, and I believe it was the first Shakespeare I'd ever seen on stage. I think it was at the Kennedy Center. Anyway, being too young to remember any of the dialogue, I can recall some visual aspects of the play. First, all the fairyfolk wore roller blades and, as they talked, they would roll across the stage. They wanted to create something similar to flight... but without all the wires.

There was a great moment, where Puck (invisible) was tickling a sleeping, helpless Dimitrius. Oberon, more intent on what was going on in center stage, smacked Puck on the back of the head, as if to say, "Knock it off."

Gotta love slapstick!


Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Friday, October 8, 1999 08:47:35 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

A MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S DREAM - I saw a production of this once with a few interesting features of its own. Oberon had a Brooklyn accent and read all of his spells out carefully from a little notebook that he carried around with him. It was a modern-dress production, and in it they "updated" the professions of Bottom and Co. so that Bottom, for example, was a bus driver - only he phrased it "Bottom the transportation engineer". Perhaps one of the most intriguing features about it from a "Gargoyles" perspective was that Theseus's Master of the Revels, Philostrate, in this production was portrayed as a woman - and a woman who would best be described in her overall bearing as a sort of "female Owen" (that same very stiff, almost emotionless, extremely efficient tone). It kind of makes you wonder if Preston Vogel was Puck's only inspiration for Owen.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, October 8, 1999 06:44:35 AM
IP: 216.87.46.134.dialup-stl.primary.net

Hi all!!

Part of this post was supposed to have been sent last night but connection difficulties prevented me from getting online*kicks DC in the groin*,but today was better day than yesterday,I had to do my taxes but I was able to get a refund*Woohooo!!!*:)

Lexy:It's good to hear from you,do stop by again soon.

Jenna:I'm sorry to hear about the situation with your brother-in-law.

Wilek:Paralysis?! :O Have you seen a doctor about this?>>Woah! relax there bud,I was refering to that brain awake body asleep condition that was a topic of conversation in here a few months ago,but thankyou for your concern just the same.:)

Wilek re Lego:THAT'S SICK!!,This is the same sort of "Shock art" as Pissed Christ was,Bad taste and Guaranteed offened just about anybody.>:(

Robby re The Little Mermaid 2:Ugh!!,come on Disney,Gargoyles is far more disserving of a movie release than this is.>:(

Deuce:I can't believe this.... Click my name.... This is the sickest f*cking thing I've ever heard of.>>Your right that is sick,but I'm not suprised,some people will sell anything:(

Deuce:Happy aniversary.

Good night all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Friday, October 8, 1999 05:22:46 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

First off, I'd like to conduct a little survey. How many other people here will not recieve the WB now that it has dropped WGN (if you got it before)? And what area do you live in? I won't, and I live in central Iowa

Deuce: Happy aniversary.

Green Baron: Yeah, it was as lively as Bob Dole. Actually it was just a bunch of guys trying to buy votes with free stuff. I personally didn't vote (didn't want to waste money to register).

Toku: I have to agree with you. Our background influences us, but our own choices make us what we are.

J2 fans: I know there were several of you. There have been short (6 page) J2 stories in the back of issues 2 and 3 of Wild Thing. In WT2, J2 takes on his father for the rights to the Juggernaut powers. In WT3 J2 takes on Big Julie.

Thought for the Day:
"I don't have anyone I hate. I mean, I know a hell of a lot of a$$holes. But thats all they are. A$$holes."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Friday, October 8, 1999 03:53:02 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Stormy> forgot last time> connor.jpg> The collective subconscious strikes again--this dude looks *eerily* like one of my own characters. (I'm told I have latent psionic abilities...hm...^_^)

Jessie> <<It was pretty good, but it had gargoyles in it...and this interpretation of them had them as the spawn of the mating of a male human and a female hellhound.>> EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

Zath> Um...Oberon was a stoner, and Puck was a ballerina...?! O_o What were these ppl on, and why aren't they sharing. :P

Jaden> <<I just watched an episode and when Titania is telling Fox that she plans to check in on Alex and hints that she manipulated the whole thing, then hugs Fox. Does anyone else think that it looks (and sounds?) like Titania is whispering something to her?>> Go visit S8's Ask Greg. Ppl have been pestering him to tell them what she said (somewhere in the archives, at least). His straightest answer so far--"Something that made her smile". :)

Deuce> Trephination...? <blink> If I'm not mistaken, that refers to a very primitive form of brain surgery. This should be an interesting little song. >;) And your anniversary page...<snif> Beautiful. Just beautiful. As for that article...Aborted baby parts for research purposes...?! <SHUDDER> ECCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHH. Words fail me. These ppl make Sevarius look like Florence Nightengale.

Kaioto> Yet another masterfully written essay. :)

Robby> <<In other Disney news, it seems their next straight to video project will be available soon... Its a sequal to a certain film we all know of... Thats right... "The Little Mermaid 2".>> Um...why are they making a sequel to a movie where the single interesting character was killed off (very graphically, I might add)?

Coyote> <<Being a Midwestern Garg fan tends to suck after a while. :)>> Testify, brother. There is nothing of Gargoyles anywhere within MILES of where I live. And I mean hundreds of miles, as in out of state. Just try finding the Gargs video game for the Genesis. For that matter, try finding a Genesis anymore. (Although at least the thing died mercifully, instead of flaming out in pyrotechnic lameness like the Saturn.) And as for Gargs figures and the like, asking after them in any of the stores around here will result in nothing other than confused looks. And there are no decent Gargs T-shirts either. :/ (Of course, matters aren't improved by the fact that Disney World itself is similarly barren of Gargological stuff...)

SJ> I am in total agreement. What in the worlds could motivate someone to believe that this is...art? <shudder> "Art" like this is the stuff that nightmares are made of, and not in the kewl Giger/Escher way either. >:(

SOROW> Glad the concert went so well. ^_^
Wilek Nereus
Friday, October 8, 1999 02:38:55 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

OOPS sorry about the double post.
Jaden
Friday, October 8, 1999 02:33:59 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Just wanted to make a quick post.

Fortune cookie- The last one I opened gave me a prediction,
"You will get an offer that will be hard to turn down." I can't wait to find out if it's true and what the offer will be. I've always wanted to get the one that sayed "May you live in interesting times." I hear that's considered a curse, though I don't know why.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 8, 1999 02:33:20 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Just wanted to make a quick post.

Fortune cookie- The last one I opened gave me a prediction,
"You will get an offer that will be hard to turn down." I can't wait to find out if it's true and what the offer will be.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 8, 1999 02:31:57 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Oh, my f*cking ----!!!! I'm crying because I am sooooo incredibly happy right now! My ex-boyfriend's band just premiered tonight at our school Talent Show and they were %$#^%*&^%$@(*^^ awesome!!! I'm talking, the entire auditorium on their feet screaming with a mesh pit in the front (myself included) acting like a group of N'Sync fans jamming our @$$'s off! They sold out of all their CDs, everyone knew the words, and now they are out in public! I'm sooooo happy for him because I know it's been hard since we broke up and this band has been his dream his whole life. All he could say after the show was, "Oh my God. I never expected anything like that. Oh my God. I never expected anything like that..." It was the greatest moment of his life, and I am so proud and excited for him. He promised me he'd take me to the Music Awards when they get their first nomination. Look out, OG Burrito is coming at ya!

Green Baron> Awwww, I'll dance with you in a second. No... a fraction of a second! *kiss*

Zath> Yeah, parents can be really Nazi sometimes.

Deuce> That e-mail was beautiful. I hope that I'll ever be that loved in someone's eyes.

cherry> Thanks. I'm really excited!
SOROW
Friday, October 8, 1999 12:42:16 AM
IP: dll2b204-03.splitrock.net

Jesus F***ing Christ.

I come in here to relax after a long, tiring day of studying for a test I know I'm gonna fail anyway, and what do I see? Two little obscure links from Wilek and Deuce that scare the s*** out of me.

First we got people selling aborted fetuses through mail order. Wha.....my mind can not process how unbelievably f***ed that is, in the name of science or not. Does anyone in here remember when human life was worth a damn? And God, how can they be so casual about it? You know, great marketing campaign folks. Selling dead kids. Hope business picks up for you. Reminds me one hell of a lot of Neil Gaiman's truly chilling "Babycakes" short story, without the social commentary on environmentalism.

And next we got from Wilek a nice little article about a man building Nazi Death Camps out of Legos. Legos. LEGOS!!! How insensitive is THIS??? Yeah, fun for the whole family, let's recreate one of the most horrific events in all of time, perhaps the darkest period in the entire history of human existence, with little plastic blocks. And he calls it "art".

Sometimes I begin to lose all faith in the human race.

Families: I can't even begin to describe my family situation, other than to say I feel for all of us in here who have poor or strained relationships with relatives. I'm in the same boat more often than not, so I feel for you. Hope things get better between you and your mother, Ironwolf. She, at least, seems to think there's some hardship there, and I hope whatever problems that exist are resolved.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, October 8, 1999 12:29:31 AM
IP: 207-172-52-41.s41.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Click my name for something that ranks awfully high on my list of Inappropriate Things To Do With Toys. I dare y'all to ask Santa for one of these. <shudder>

Real post quite soon.
Wilek
Thursday, October 7, 1999 11:57:19 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

**stops fixating briefly**

Deuce: I just read your anniversary page to Catherine ... **snif** now my sniffles aren't just from the cold. That ... was *beautiful,* man. Let me just hope that the love you two have is one that stands the test of time and any trial. And may you two never be in the same straits I am in right now ...

**sniffles a bit more, fixating on the candle once more, letting his emotions out**
Coyote the Emotional Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, October 7, 1999 11:35:12 PM
IP: modem71.i-is.com

Toku Kaioto >thanks for the word and the wisdom I guess I was just feeling low that day and what she said was an unexpected um I don’t want to say blow so surprise that sounds like a good word. I guess that is why it got to me

Green Baron I wonder why families are falling apart? Mabey that is why I like fandom it is still a strong and healthy family (well as healthy as escapism can be ;))

Beast wars/ machines ok I am a little hindered as the final shows were never aired here $30 bucks + shipping for whoever can get me the eps cutting the rubicon to nemis part 2 I really want those 5 eps anyway my theory on the new show. What if all the transformers downloaded themselves to protect themselves from some threat (like an em wave) and were supposed to be revived afterwards, but Megatron shows up and stops the reactivation so he can rule? The scene were he makes the fearacons shows a huge number of containment units that could be holding other sparks.

Dead bob got to see him in Ga ren fair. was he still selling the many moods of Bob tshrits in the tx ren fiar?

ironwolf
Thursday, October 7, 1999 11:33:26 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-185.cha.bellsouth.net

I have heard *rumors* since the Gathering '99 that Gathering 2001 will be held in California. I have absolutely no idea how much truth is tied to this, but I wonder if this could be true in an effort to "spread" the location around for the convenience of the participants. O.O I will enjoy it and participate while it's here in the deep south! :)
Jannie
Thursday, October 7, 1999 10:18:50 PM
IP: 196-158.c.esc4.net

Princess Mononoke cuts- No need to worry. Disney CAN'T make *ANY* footage cuts, since the thing won every award in Japan and its also part of the deal. As well, it's PG-13 so I don't think the dialouge is gonna suffer. ANd heck, they got an all star cast voicing the characters, including Gilian Anderson as the goddess wolf mother...
Robby
Thursday, October 7, 1999 10:09:31 PM
IP: spider-tm044.proxy.aol.com

**enters the CR, switching out the candles and making a beeline for the massage chair, nursing his cold.**

Oyy ... I hope I get over this soon, my nose hurts from blowing it so much and I really don't like the thought of my head holding so much orange slime. :P

Mandi: Yeah, when ya gonna send me that info? I'm definitely gonna need it, that's the main holdup right now. (Cyrway took care of the other main holdup)
Seriously, though ... don't sweat it.

TJ Veil: Yeah, tell me about it. Being a Midwestern Garg fan tends to suck after a while. :)

Sarge: Stressing isn't the word. "Total and complete mental meltdown" is more like it. :)

Hmm ... Rene Auberjonois (sp?) is on "Chicago Hope" tonight playing a cardiac surgeon with Tourette's syndrome ... quite interesting. :)

Robby: Hey, once you're done with alla your commitments, I'll take ye up on that offer. :)

Deuce: Yep, that's pretty sick. And unfortunately enough, that's *also* probably the only way we're ever gonna find a cure for AIDS. Truly sad when ya think about it.

David G.: No need to fear any dumbing down of "Princess Mononoke" ... they kept a line from the Gaiman script when a character insults an old woman's cooking by telling her that her soup tastes like "donkey piss," so I *really* doubt they'll cut *anything.*

And that seems to be all for me tonight.

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating firmly on the candle's flame.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
"FIGHT, FIGHT, RAH TEAM FIGHT!"
Thursday, October 7, 1999 09:39:03 PM
IP: modem71.i-is.com

Robby> I saw about half of Mononoke at a con last year, subtitled, and it was awesome. I'm only afraid of two things, bad "That's too graphic for kids" editing, and bad voice acting.

Since Disney's doing it, I'm only slightly afraid of bad dubbing, but I'm terrified of the editing possiblilities.

Deuce> Thanks. I was in danger of developing a grain of trust in human nature. Your post saved me from a potential blow to my carefully constructed cynicism. :)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, October 7, 1999 09:18:08 PM
IP: pppa62-fortworth1-3r775.saturn.bbn.com

Wow. I just openned a fortune cookie:
"Time is precious, but Truth is even more precious than time."

Boy, that's one well aimed cookie ... what are the odds?

Zath & Green Baron: Having the Gathering at New Orleans sounds like fun, but Mardi Gras would have to be a no-go. We have small children to consider, and hotel booking. Think about it for a second. It would be cool to run around in costume with no harassment, but hotels will be booked solid. On top of that, small children and minors running the streets in such a fashion would be rather ill-timed at Mardi-Gras. It isn't the safest of festivals.

Lexy: *hugs* Things will get better, my love, they already have. I'll call you for other details. :)

Ironwolf:
Fundamentally, though, I want to tell you something, ironwolf, my friend.
Don't let people condemn you to a life of a screw-up just because they disapprove of how or where you were raised. Don't let that be an excuse that seduces you to mediocrity either.
Be proud of the person you are, and what you have and have the potential to achieve. You are not your parent's creation, but an individual, with the freedom to choose your destiny and achieve greatness. YOUR choices, not their's, will dictate the most important paths of your adult life.
It's sad if your mom can't see you for the person you really are. She's missing out.

Beyond that, this topic spawned an essay :)

I am sick and tired of this mentality that human beings are manufactured from their environment. We are creatures of choice. Once a sentient creature reaches the ability to reason, the only withholding the ability to choose a set of values is information. We live amidst a sea of information. Unless one is excruciatingly isolated, one can not help but be exposed to various concepts, like the law and the Golden Rule. Whether one chooses to accept a new value system is one's own choice, and however, one is responsible for the value system one lives by. If your value system makes you act contrary to the law, you are guilty of violating the law. If your acting in your value system you injures others, you are still guilty of injuring others. Our choices are own.

Maturity in choice is defined by being able to assert a choice of values in one's own life. A mature individual can not cost by, still holding a value system of mimicking that of their parents. At a certain point you even make the choice whether or not to continue to mimics your parents. You may choose to hold all their values, yes, but you can not avoid that choice, or its responsibilities. In the same respect, you can not dismiss responsibility on the basis of any value system you choose for yourself (or choose to submit to). If your religion leads you to harm others, you can not pass responsibility for those harmful acts off of yourself onto your religion. YOU chose to abide to those values.

The root of a person's values and choices stems from the individuals human equation, something no biological nor social science can nail down in any specific terms. We must accept when working through the fundamentals of human choice that the human equation is either: A.) Random B.) Undefined C.) At Least Partially Metaphysical. Either way, the claim that human behavior, choices, and values is controlled (or even unwillingly influenced in a particular direction) at root by biological, genetic, or environmental influences is nothing but wild speculation founded in a need to believe in simplistic, tenable understanding and exact predictability of the human being. Humans do not behave as machines do. Humans do not behave as animals do. We behave as sentience creatures, something that neither animals nor computers are capable of as far as we can tell.

The human person is exposed to both animal impulse and rational construction as well as environmental stimuli and even internal imagination. We choose how we balance these influences and feeling in the way we act, defining our character. They do NOT, however, mold us. We choose to be manipulated by submitting to it. We choose to submit to animal instincts, or to repress them. We choose whether or not to follow logic, or emotion, or collectivity. We choose to be Atheistic, Buddhist, Catholic, Daoist, Agnostic, Nihilistic, Anglican, Hindu, Jewish, or Moslem.

Most fundamental, however, is the proper perspective on experience. Experience does not mold an individual. Far more accurately, experience forces reevaluation of reality, including that of the self. How we adapt to each experience is a matter of choices as well. We do choose how experience effects us. We are forced to. We can choose to submit to "whatever" but a choice is always made. Our home life is likewise an experience. It is a very early and long experience, but we choose how it affects us once we reach an age of reason. We choose how our past effects our present. We choose how we act as adults, not our childhood. Our parents do not live our lives, nor do they mold us. They contribute to our ability to mold ourselves, for good or ill.

Mommy Gates did not found Microsoft. Bill Gates founded Microsoft. He might not have founded it without his particular childhood. He might have. Someone entirely different might have founded the company instead. Mommy gates can't claim credit for the founding of Microsoft, she only contributed indirectly to Bill Gate's choices which allowed him to achieve such an empire.

I would contribute that, short of abuse or extreme negligence, a parental influence can not be blamed for an adult being so maladjusted that they are a "bad" person. Also, some kids just flat out choose to be selfish and rotten, without being spoiled or anything. You can't place the blame for how everyone grows up on their family. You can't take that much credit, either, accept for providing an environment their child could be free to grow in.
Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, October 7, 1999 09:13:31 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

** Deuce walks in, pale and shaking. **

I can't believe this.... Click my name.... This is the sickest f*cking thing I've ever heard of. How can we stop this?

** Deuce drops the link on the floor and wanders out. **
Deuce
Thursday, October 7, 1999 09:02:53 PM
IP: pppa67.connect.ab.ca

Yeesh, what a week. I started off last friday with a smattering of theoretical weapons design, and was just getting up to speed when I came down with a nasty sore throat/fever/cold type illness. :P Today's the first day that I've been out of the house, and I haven't had time to catch up on this week's posts. plus, I probably won't have a chance to post again until monday, so I'll just squeeze in what I can...

*Valentine glances over his shoulder, and a worried expression comes over his face*

Oh dear, a librarian just had a choking fit a few feet away... I thought for a minute there I was about to see someone die... Fortunately, it looks like she'll be okay...

On to replies!

Cherry Blossom><<C.S.Lewis is/was (not sure if he's dead or alive) a christian. So yes, there was christian overtones in his books..... if you read some of his books like the ones with letters from Wormwood or is it to Wormwood from his master, teacher, leader guy whatever you want to call it..... I haven't read the book in a while>> The book was "The Screwtape Letters". Excellent read! C. S. Lewis also wrote a whole strack of books on theology, christianity, and related subjects.

Robby><<Well the main reason people argue so violently about it is simple. As humans, we're lazy and want things as soon as possible. And since 2000 is two months off, while 2001 is 14 months off, we'll say 2000 is the new millenium and party like crazy, (barring Y2K difficulties). Then, come 2001, everyone will say "Lets celebrate the TRUE new millenium!" and make a big deal out of that, and all year long. Far as I can tell, the next day of sanity will be January 2nd, 2002. (Since January 1rst, 2002 will still be celebrating the new year).>> Ah, but 2002 will be the only dual-numerically palindromic year containing the numbers used to represent the past century this millinium! That calls for special celebration too, no?

Yggdrasil><<The author's name is David Weber. He is probably my favourite sci-fi author to date and I have read all of his books to date.>> Only one of his I've read was "Path of the Fury" but that sucker is one of my favorite sci-fi novels. good stuff!

I'll try to fit in a real (ie L-O-N-G) post early next week, but for now, it's time to get back to 20mm rifles and Powered armor.

See ya!


Gunjack Valentine
Thursday, October 7, 1999 08:46:59 PM
IP: 205.165.166.148

*runs in and waves* hi all :)

still playing with the piccies...

Jenna- I think it was you anyways, C.S.Lewis is/was (not sure if he's dead or alive) a christian. So yes, there was christian overtones in his books..... if you read some of his books like the ones with letters from Wormwood or is it to Wormwood from his master, teacher, leader guy whatever you want to call it..... I haven't read the book in a while. I loved his Narnia books and wished he would have made more than 7. anyways, thats why he had christian overtones in it.
Wilek< thanks for the tip :) too bad I didn't read the post till Thursday and don't have cable.... :þ
SOROW< congratulations on having your crush take you!! I wish that would have happened with me... it ended up being my cousin Dana though...
Stephen< call me dumb, but why do you put Maintain and check Six at the end of all your posts?? I've tried to think and I just don't_ get it.

well, I think I am going to go now... bye all!
cherry blossom - [Chryblsm15@aol.com]
WI, US of A
Thursday, October 7, 1999 08:11:35 PM
IP: 98ccc327.ipt.aol.com

And so the five day weekend for me has begun. Ah, bliss. So for the next few days I'll be able to post normally again, but in a few minutes I'm going to go and try to put the kibosh on a Timedancer story I've been working on, so I can get to the next one! And for those of you wondering about Dark Ages, several episodes are in their final, "Last minute check for grammar" phase and they will be ready very soon... Just hang in there a little longer...

22 DAYS UNTIL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE IN SELECT THEATERS! (Dangit Disney, you're making this a LIMITED release? Idiots...)

In other Disney news, it seems their next straight to video project will be available soon... Its a sequal to a certain film we all know of... Thats right... "The Little Mermaid 2". **shudders** Now come on, this movie does NOT need a sequal peoples! Oii...

Coyote- 400 WCC characters slowly driving you mad eh? Well, my offer to illustrate one giant poster with all of those characters still stands... And thats even madder!

Pogo, Coyote- Actually, I have no Mononoke links. (Luckilly soemone else did.) I don't know why everyone assumed I did. I just know its a movie that won every freaking award Japan has to offer and that the clips I've seen and magazine articles I've read all make it sound very cool. Now if only Disney, er... "Mirimax" would start advertising already... (On the upside nothings being cut so it'll be PG-13...)

Nightwaler- Actually, I'm about as lost in the RP as you are. I think this is sorta an off week, most people haven't done much in it...

2000/2001 new millenium buisness- Well the main reason people argue so violently about it is simple. As humans, we're lazy and want things as soon as possible. And since 2000 is two months off, while 2001 is 14 months off, we'll say 2000 is the new millenium and party like crazy, (barring Y2K difficulties). Then, come 2001, everyone will say "Lets celebrate the TRUE new millenium!" and make a big deal out of that, and all year long. Far as I can tell, the next day of sanity will be January 2nd, 2002. (Since January 1rst, 2002 will still be celebrating the new year).

That explanation failing, remember only about 10% of the population is intelligent...

Christine- "How many of their other shows have a 4th annual convention coming up?" I think Talespin fans get together every year, but that would be the only one I can think of... (Then Transformers fans have Botcon...)

Buffy- Hoo boy, another season of spoilers and reviews of the show... THe room seems different without everyone in the room praising the show...

**BEAST MACHINES THINGIE AND BEAST WARS SPOILERS**

Anybody thinking that Megatron is using sparks from Beastwars other than Rhinox or Silverbolt is more likely than not, wrong, since all of the villains met with a painful demise away from Megs and he had no chance to salvage anything from them. (Ditto for Tigerhawk and Depthcharge) Oh wait, Waspinator got the "Waspinator happy, at last..." bit... But none of Meg's three new troops seem nearly that stupid. Well, there's always Starscream's immortal Spark, but considering Rampage, Dinobot 2, and Starscream (who all shared that spark) had a history of turning on Megs, that doesn't seem likely.

**END BEAST WARS/MACHINES TALK**

Anyhow, that looks to be about it for now...
Robby
Thursday, October 7, 1999 06:46:54 PM
IP: spider-wm074.proxy.aol.com

Good Day to you All.

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.: Just a small correction. The author's name is David Weber. He is probably my favourite sci-fi author to date and I have read all of his books to date. Just for interest sake the next Harington novel will be titled something like Ashes of Victory and is due out in March 2000. The first 6 chapters are up on the Baen website.
Yggdrasil - [gperry@iprimus.ca]
Ontario, canada
Thursday, October 7, 1999 06:38:48 PM
IP: 209.167.129.11

Hello all!!

I had a nice rough day. I had two midterms (Financial Institutions and Intermediate Micro Economics) today and a Constitutional Law midterm yesterday. I also gave a speech in Managerial Communications this morning. I feel like vegging out in front of a computer for five hours.

Gathering in New Orleans> Well, by the time it could be there, I won't be living in New Orleans. My house could maybe fit two extra people at most, unless someone wants to spend a few nights with the Green Baron. well Kenna would get that deal so I guess that's not an option :)

I owuld not recommend Gathering '01 at Mardi Gras, becuase it would be too distracting with the parades to keep everyone there, and most people would still have school then. I have to get back to class that Thursday. I also doubt you coudl find anything affordable for the Gathering and the Convention Cenetr would probably be booked.

The Summer would be a good time, but it can be incredibly hot, so it would be best done in June or late May. There are affordable places to stay and the streetcar can get you from where I live (uptown) to where the Gathering will probably be (downtown). JEB was here last summer, so he might give soem advice, but he never took the Streetcar.

Zath and Aaron> If you still plan to go to Mardi Gras, I hope you tell me so I can give both of you a proper New Orleans greeting, and don't forget the money to bribe the cops :)

Jenna> ::hugs::

Deuce> I'm impressed.

TJ Veil> I thought the Ames Straw Poll was a happening event ;)

SOROW> I hope you get a scanner, soon. The dance sounds like fun. Brings back memories though no one would dance with me :(

Ironwolf>. Mothers can be eccentric. Mine never did anything like that, but I'll be gald to be on my own and away from her for a while (liek a few years). I am so happy I won't be spending Christmas with my family. They've ruined the holiday for me through and through.

Batya> I like that theory :)

Doug> What sort of stuff do you have to do in Economics? My next project is to analyse a policy issue from an Economic standpoint. My Professor did a good article on how the Family Medical Leave actually hurts women in teh workforce, instead of helping them. She has soem very logical arguments.

Lexy> I hope things get better for you. It's too bad there's no nearby place with a computer like a library.

Aaron> Maybe you should set aside that amd money and just buy some Internet stock. That could give you a much higher return than a pair of cheeta pants :p




Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, October 7, 1999 05:08:55 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

SJ re: Roswell> I turned it on for maybe 10 minutes, got bored, changed the channel. :) I think if the show took some lessons from BtVS and didn't take itself so seriously, I'd watch... but I'm surprised this show's been singled out as one of the best new shows.

Wilek> <<Heh...mine are pestering me to do a Pokemon fic that crosses over with my ficverse>> LOL! Well, I'll spoil mine somewhat then: "The Waiting Game" is a Gargoyles/N&A cross... nothing really significant happens, it's more of a "missing scene" fic.

Coyote re: WCC> Ack! I was going to send you some info for that!

Anyway, must do work now. It's not Friday yet...
Mandolin
Thursday, October 7, 1999 04:18:42 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

A masked figure who looks suspiciously like Aaron kicks in the door of the CR, brandishing an enormous dueling pistol. He points the pistol at DC.

Stand and deliver! Your money and your life! DC forks over his wallet.

Shouldn't that be, your money *or* your life?

Not in your case. Blam!

Okay, I've got to say this now. Everybody go see Plunkett and MacLaine!

**************Review w/spoilers for Plunkett and MacLaine******

This is the best movie that no one's talking about. In fact, I'd say it's the best western of the year, and it's set in Georgian England.

Starring Robert Carlyle and John Lee Miller (Begby and Sick Boy from Trainspotting, respectively) and Liv Tyler.

The premise is simple: Captain MacLaine, (Miller) a very down on his luck gentleman, is not exactly befriended by a highwayman (Carlyle) who has a plan. He sets MacLaine up in society, and MacLaine finds out who to rob, and when.

Not only does Liv Tyler look quite fetching as a highborn lady, but suprising bonus, she can act too. Who knew? Also, slow motion gunfights with precussion cap pistols look really cool.

I won't give away any more of the story, because I want you to go see it for yourselves, but it's a swashbuckling adventure with all the humor that was missing from WWW, and the restraint not to go for the cheap laughs that was missing from The Mask of Zorro.

Sadly, finding P&M may be something of a challenge. I know I live in a cultural backwater, but it was only showing on two screens in the whole city. And there were all of five people in the showing I went to, myself included. So run to the theater nearest you showing P&M and see it before it's run ends.

Aaron Bob says 4/5 skulls, check it out.

*********************End Review************************

Zath> I almost suggested a Madi Gras Gathering too. That'd be really cool. There's just one hitch. If we started looking today, we *might* get rooms for Madi Gras 2001, and they'd be expensive rooms too. Unless we can all come crash at Green Baron's place, that is.

Later.

Aaron wanders off, humming "Gypsies in the Palace" by Jimmy Buffet.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, October 7, 1999 02:36:28 PM
IP: ppp-194.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Have to pop in for a couple quick comments. Doing better health-wise, but school-work is keeping me bogged down. Don't know when I'll be able to post in here again on a daily basis....hopefully tomorrow, maybe not.

Roswell: HORRIBLE show. Seriously. I saw no redeemable aspects of this show whatsoever. It's classic WB fodder--stick attractive young folk in a school, through some angst in there, and voila! Instant hit! It's crap!!!! I swear before God, Kevin Williamson should have had his foul hands all over this piece of garbage (and don't get me started on what an Antichrist HE is). NOBODY in high school looks this good, acts this way, I don't care if they are aliens. What has become of ye, o Jonathan Frakes? I hope this show dies. Quickly.

Fight Club: Hey, who didn't like the looks of this movie? This is on my "Must See" list for the Fall. I've heard great things about this movie, and you can't go wrong with the folks behind it: Edward Norton, one of the best actors of our generation; it's directed (written?) by the same guy who did Se7en; it stars 2 time Oscar nominated actress Helena Bonham Carter; and Brad Pitt....who, I must admitt, isn't too bad at playing a crazy guy (check out 12 Monkeys). Plus it looks dark and as violent-as-all-hell. I can't wait till it opens!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, October 7, 1999 02:25:37 PM
IP: 207-172-120-112.s112.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

ANOTHER CEL ON EBAY> A nice Goliath, where he's handing "the disk" (from "Awakenings") off to Xanatos, I'm guessing. Click. (Sorry for all the posts about cels. It's so rare to see them up for auction, and even rarer when there's more than one at a time.)
Pogo
Thursday, October 7, 1999 12:35:52 PM
IP: mail.dorseylaw.com

Jenna enters the cr-- she looks a little tired, but not as bad as yesterday. --

Thanks for your support guys, I really appreciate it. I think the main thing my brother in law has wrong is that he is very jealous of Mike and me, and our happiness. I know it's not excuse, but I think that's the reason- he really doesn't have anyone, I feel bad for him. But above all, I feel bad for Mike- It really broke his heart. It's going to take us a while to get over it...

So again, keep us in your thoughts guys-- every bit helps. And every bit is appreciated.

One thing that has come out of this is that I may use this experience for some of my stories-- like with Madoc and Oberon-- that always helps, when I write about it, and the best things are drawn from life anyway--\

Thanks again for the hugs and support-- again ^_^

jenna
Thursday, October 7, 1999 11:11:06 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Doug> I'll send you an MP3 of "Trephination" if/when Bob finishes it.

OK, everybody, listen up. Exactly one year ago today, I got an email from Catherine. Today's our one year anniversary. Click my name to see exactly what I've set up. *sighs* I'm the luckiest and unluckiest man alive....

** Deuce leaves, an odd look on his face **
Deuce - [i.don't.deserve.this@curtain.cjb.net]
Thursday, October 7, 1999 10:11:39 AM
IP: edtn001958.hs.telusplanet.net

My editor is here and he picked out the pic. ::smiles::

Coyote- Doing a large project eh? 400 characters? You aren't stressing are you? Anyway I look foward to reading it.

Stormy- I saw Dylan's web page. I thought it was cool, especially his "What was I thinking?" page. That was a little weird to read.

I have the Brooklyn picture and my own character picture on a computer in my school. I have to get them on disk and send them to people and my web site. The Brooklyn picture is sketching.

Norm Show- I like their Pokemon skit. Anyone see that? It was hilarious!

Anyway gotta go, class is about to start.

Sarge
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
barre, VT, USA
Thursday, October 7, 1999 08:11:15 AM
IP: 209.198.65.194

jenna: Really sorry to hear about your brother-im-law. And don't worry. Things will get better. They always do. **hug**

Lexy: I hope everything works out with your computer. And I think we can all understand about you getting mushy. Hopefully you'll be able to drop in as you are now before you get your computer and internet worked out at home.

*** Buffy and Angel Spoilers ***

I caught both premiers last night, and now I'm more pissed off than ever that I won't be getting the WB. The Buffy episode was a good episode, as Buffy made yet another transition in her life. And I have a different theory about the masked guys than anyone has mentioned. You never actually see them dust the vampire, and they didn't seem to have anything wooden on them. I think they were out not to kill the vamp, but to capture it. Perhaps they're running tests on the vampires, using them as lab rats or something.

As for Angel, I thought it rocked. I liked the darker feel that it had to it, and was glad to see that Cordelia wasn't portrayed as a brainless ditz. I think she seemed more human in this episode than she did in any ep of Buffy, and I liked it. Especially when she realized she was in a room with a vampire. Her actually thinking for herself was something that didn't happen much on Buffy. I also liked Angel as the 'Avenging Angel' istead of 'Mysterious Guy' or 'Buffy's true love.'

*** End Spoilers ***

Todd: <<I hope that they do bring Whistler back into the series. He always rather intrigued me; the whole business of a "good demon" was something that I wanted to know more about.>> Actually, if I remember correctly, Whistler was actually a 'neutral' demon. In fact, I've got a creativity demon that may eventually turn into a Buffy/First Wave story in which this is one of the plot points.

Coyote: Yeah, I think Cleveland would be good too. It jsut seems like most things tend to happen on the coast states like Florida and California and New York. It'd be nice to have something happening somewhere closer to the middle. (Especially when I live closer to the middle.)

Mandolin: Most of the time, the people saying something is 'implausable' are the ones who are too stupid to understand it. A lot of popular TV series have had implausable premises. Just look at Star Trek, The X-Files, Babylon 5, and almost any other Sci-Fi or Fantasy show. A lot of people claimed they were stupid when they came out, but now they all have huge followings. The problem tends to be that the stupid few are the most vocal about it, and the people who like the shows tend to not stand up to them. Kudos to you for doing it.

night walker: <<maybe futher maturing has brought another person into my mind? Maybe I'm just being wierd.>> Would we be able to tell the difference?

Thought for the Day:
"This is the way it happened. Not the way I would like to think it happened. Or even the way it probably happened. Just the truth about the way it happened..."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Thursday, October 7, 1999 03:55:26 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

****BEGIN RP!!!****
"'...hit me as hard as you can.' Well he asked for it. Now who's next?" Jaden glances as Doug and suddenly a single driving thought runs through his mind. KILL HIM!!!!! Raising his axe he charges, but an enemy explosion from behind knocks him over and shocks him back to normal. Confused Jaden wonders. "What just happened, where did that come from?"
****END RP!!!****

Jenna- That's terrible. Something like that happened to me once. I was working as a security guard for this party and this one guy got drunk and started to get verbally abusive with everyone. Well, we had to escort him out of the building, but he calmed down and left. He probably felt very foolish for doing that...if he remembers doing it.

Gargoyle showings-I love the new time changes at 7 and 10. Now I can watch it all week, instead of missing it because I'm at class. BTW I just watched an episode and when Titania is telling Fox that she plans to check in on Alex and hints that she manipulated the whole thing, then hugs Fox. Does anyone else think that it looks (and sounds?) like Titania is whispering something to her?

Doug- Spanish test? OH the memories! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! I never had a problem with speaking or writing Spanish, but I always blanked on the tests.

Zath- <cases that are unreported> That is scary, I hope someday that we won't have to worry about that anymore.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, October 7, 1999 02:38:48 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Ugh, I finally got logged on. **puts on steel-toed boots and kicks Mr. Disconnect in various tender areas of his anatomy** I tried and tried to get on last night but kept getting bust signals from USC's server even at midnight. >: ( Oh well, at least so far this week hasn't been quite as bad as the last one.

Pistoff> <<They should give you gloves when you're dealing with stuff that can peel the skin right off your hands>> I *was* wearing gloves. In fact, the only spot that hasn't healed is one of the one where it had to go through the rubber first.

Fire Storm> <<LM's eyes are burning from staring at the screen too long. Does anyone know how to either stop that or to make it better for her?>> I used to have problems like that. If her situation is anything like mine was, supposedly, the harder you concentrate on something, the less you blink and the more your eyes hurt. Try getting her to focus on something else (like a snack) every once in a while. A squirt gun might work too, but I don't think she'd like that as much. : )

Wilek> << Did he happen to be accompanied by a Great Dane and have a constant case of the munchies?>> No, but Puck was played by a little girl in a pink tutu. The strange part was that everyone else looked like the "normal" type of person you'd expect to see in a Shakespeare play, complete with a regular costume.

Spacebabie> <<The Dr. Pepper Company is in Dallas!!! >> No wonder the stuff is so popular. I had always wondered about that.

Green Baron> <<How does a Gathering a New Orleans sound?>> Let's do it during Mardi Gras, then we could run through the streets in our gargoyle costumes without people running away screaming or calling the cops. : )

Skippy> << They offer a 64 oz. Steak that if you can eat it in less than an hour it's on the house.>> I've heard about a place like that in Amarillo. The only problem is that if you don't eat it in an hour, it costs something like $50. On the flip side, there have supposedly been a couple of people who managed *TWO* in an hour!!! That's more meat than I eat in a week.

SOROW> <<So even though I was home at nine at night, they were about to call the police cause they thought I was in a car wreck. *sigh* Crazy parents!>> My parents are like that too. For the longest time, they'd demand to know what was wrong if I didn't pick up the phone before the third ring, even if they knew I'd be asleep when they called.

night walker> <<I've been having this strain of disturbing dreams , that always forshadows something terrible.>> I've had freaky dreams almost all my life. It's gotten to the point where now I worry if I go for any length of time *without* one, but maybe mine are a different kind of freaky.

Jaden> <<there are six reports of child abuse every minute.>> The *really* scary part comes when you think of haw many cases go unreported... : (

Aaron> <<Picture yourself next to a cool blue ocean. The water ripples gently against the shore. Take a deep breath. Now picture the person who's causing you the stress. You
seem to be holding them under the water. Take several more deep breaths, and savor the sounds of the ocean. Feel better?>> *LOL*

Lexy> I'm sorry there's no better solution to your phone bill problem. <<THEN I get to have the utmost pleasure in Re-installing my scanner..which for the record took like a month the first time cuz of some screwy problem>> It seems like everyone has problems with their scanners. When I got mine I had to install it 4 times just to discover that the machine itself didn't work right either and needed to be returned. One of my friends had one that flipped out if you tried to scan anything with a large amount of diagonal lines, and another friend has *never* gotten his to work correctly. I wonder why scanners are such troublesome pieces of hardware.

Sarge> <<Right now I feel like putting a can of lysol in my mouth so I can lose all feeling.>> Are you sour you don't mean Ambisol(sp?)?

Doug> <<Two good lines from the episode- "Somebody's been a BAD computer!">> I wonder if I could find a .wav file of that. It would make a great error message.

Well, that's it for now. Hopefully I'll be back soon, weather, school work, and server permitting...

Bye all.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, October 7, 1999 02:03:34 AM
IP: ppp-224-011.usc.edu

Zath > "I Am Not A Liar"...I _would_ share this, but I haven't got it here with me. It's packed away somewhere in my parents' house. I'll let you know if I get it, though.

We-e-ell, I just read a story the other day called, "The Evil Within" by Sara Douglass. It was pretty good, but it had gargoyles in it...and this interpretation of them had them as the spawn of the mating of a male human and a female hellhound. I kinda gave an indigant little, "Hey!" when I read that. These gargoyles weren't particularly smart. _Or_ nice. They killed evil things. That included any person who had ever sinned. Sooo...everyone, basically.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 7, 1999 02:02:44 AM
IP: ctrts1-8.mrs.umn.edu

I had the *oddest* dream this morning. It involved a huge mansion (and I'm talking the size of the Death Star here) that contained a secret 'asylum' (which is what it was called in the dream, although it was more like a laboratory/prison), where someone was keeping kidnapped gargoyles and 'supernaturals' (werewolves, mages, Fey, and the like) and studying them. (And guess who one of the test subjects was. Yup, yours truly. <SHUDDER>)

Xanathar> <<At least you didn't have the semi pralyisises(SP)that I had last night>> Paralysis?! :O Have you seen a doctor about this?

Jenna> <<My brother-in-law came home drunk and verbally attacked my husband and me, and one thing led to another--and the final result is my brother in law stormed out of our apt, telling us to "f*ck off">> <grr> A perfect target for Mr. Thingy. <adds a few more disgusting looking instruments> I wonder why the Iron Law Of Murphy has kicked into overdrive these past few weeks...?

Lexy> <<SO we went through and reconfigurated..*hopes that is the correct terminology* and wiped my comp clean...everything>> AAACCCKKK!!! My condolences, friend; I hope you can replace everything you lost. Me, I probably couldn't; there are things on my system that I don't know how to find again on the Web, and others that simply don't exist on the Internet anymore...

Sarge> <<I'm plum out of top tens for Gargoyles, all I have left is for everything in life. I don't know if that will suit people in here.>> Trust me, friend--there's no such thing as off-topic in here. <G> <<I always wondered about a huge story with everyone's(I know)character in it fighting some big force. He he...I can jes' imagine Dylan Blacquiere's Whitbourne and hayden's Avery fighting a Madoc writin by Christine Morgan.......has someone done that yet? Could be an interesting group project.>> Well, there's Coyote's excellent When Clans Collide project, which I think he's provided a link to. Some of my characters are in it. ^_^ Oh, and really fun poem. <<the alcofluence of incohol>> Incohol? Sounds like liquor for incubi. ;D

Doug> <<But please don't take as long as Ryan Stout is with Stitch of Time 4! :)>> Heh...can't be as long as I've taken with my fifth fic. <looks at what he has so far> What's this stupid thing been now, three months?

Ironwolf> Ack. My sincerest condolences regarding the issue at home. :(

Mandolin> <<Got a short that has nothing to do with my fic cycle half-written to pacify my creativity demons.>> Heh...mine are pestering me to do a Pokemon fic that crosses over with my ficverse. [Scene: Ash points his Pokedex in the general direction of a certain hapless little blue gargoyle. "Gargoyle: Pokemon #161. An extremely rare and unusually strong species of Pokemon that hibernates during the day." Fun ensues.] I'm currently considering tossing one of these heretical creativity divas into a blender as an example to the rest, but these things are psionically powerful, not to mention that the entire Psyll Synod (the divas' species) would get ticked off at me and I don't much enjoy the idea of being the object of a vendetta by my ficverse's equivalent of the Vorlons. o_o' Besides, one of the main characters from my sixth fic is a Psyll diplomat and--oh, better stop before I say too much...
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, October 7, 1999 01:39:30 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

ANGEL > Missed it, but I saw a commercial that I thought was hilarious.

Cordelia: "So, are you still, you know, 'grrr!'?"
Angel: "Um, there isn't a cure for that."


Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Thursday, October 7, 1999 01:26:19 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Since everyone has already reviewed Buffy and Angel, I'll get on with the Woob's other big new show: Roswell

Describing it as My So Called X-Files would be most appropriate especially the so-called part.
The fact that I missed Star Trek Voyager for this thing irks me slighly. It's too much of a sterotypical teen melodrama with sci-fi elements thrown. The fact that Johnathan Frakes is one of the executive producers for this show (and had a small cameo in the last few minutes as the MC at the Crash Festival) is starting to make me think his career is really starting to go down hill...

I would be providing some more thopughts on the show, but most memories of the show have already been forgotten, except that the UFO geek was seriously annoying...

I missed the last minute of the show and flipped on Voyager, the preview featured Tuvok laughing, The captian having Paris fondling her butt, and Seven posing in the nude for a painting (yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!!!!) I know what has my interset next week :)
Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, October 7, 1999 01:09:35 AM
IP: uv1-42.ultravision.net

Blue: You win the cyber-cookie. Thanks for the congrats.

Todd: No, they probably won't. <grins>
Doug
Thursday, October 7, 1999 01:07:07 AM
IP: pool-207-205-150-98.dlls.grid.net

Someone mentioned earlier (either this week or last) that they wondered if anyone read any of David Warner's "Honor Harrington" books... Well, I've read "On Basalisk Station", and am chewing through "Fields of Dishonor" right now. I did read one of the anthologies on "Honor"; the one where we learn when the first Treecat met with one of Honor's ancestors. Call me crazy, but between McCaffrey's Fire Lizards and Warner's 'Cats, I just wish God had created empathic or telepathic critters that we poor humans could talk to. :) I also find it funny that the 'Cats treat celery as a mind-expanding substance!

Heck, I've been eating the stuff with ketchup for years... it works wonders for a flagging imagination! :)

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 11:50:52 PM
IP: m49.ieway.com

Hey all , just wanted to stop by and say hi.

Protest-You guys are going to protest at the gathering , you should have done something like this when disney didn't give greg weisman full comtrol of the second series. Either way, disney will find a way to destroy our beloved series , I hate them.

Tralalalala.....hehe.

What was that? who was that , maybe futher maturing has brought another person into my mind? Maybe I'm just being wierd.

Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters. Love you all.
night walker - [goliath01hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 11:49:42 PM
IP: proxy-343.public.rwc.webtv.net

My mother just finished my medieval dress and it is by far the most beautiful thing in the world that I've ever seen! When I get my hair done for the Homecoming dance on Saturday, I'll take a picture in it and when I hopefully get a scanner I'll show ya! Soooooooo excited!

Tomorrow's the Lion Review show and I'll probably fall and break my toes as always, so wish me luck. OKIloveyoubyebye!
SOROW
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 11:34:29 PM
IP: dll2b103-08.splitrock.net

Another quick post because Assembly Language shorted out a lot of synapses.

Jason: << "Help me! Someone help!" He was heading for the voice in seconds mentally praising the person. A lot of people still didn't think to scream for help when in trouble. >> I only know this because a friend of mine was attacked when she was living in Baltimore... it's generally believed that the best thing to do when attacked is not to scream for help - no one's going to come - but to scream "Fire!" instead. *That's* what you're supposed to do, I think... but of course, you never think to do that when something actually happens...

I'm going to be hiding in here and avoiding rec.arts.tv for a little while... someone started griping for the TENTH time about how implausible the premise of Now and Again was... and I just went off on how we'd been over this, the premise is impossible, but it's just a @(#&$% TV show and if she couldn't accept that it was mainly fantasy, she just shouldn't watch. I probably got on a lot of people's nerves, but I was tired of everyone complaining about the same thing. If you've got to complain, do it creatively... :)

**BTVS AND ANGEL SPOILERS**

Buffy: Not a bad premiere, liked the new characters, actually liked Sunday... but I was relieved when Xander showed up. With Cordelia gone, he's the resident wiseass, and "The Freshman" started off kind of slow for me. I'm *not* looking forward to Seth Green leaving the show. I do hope Giles still continues to take part in Buffy's slaying, college or not... and I'd like to see a little bit more of Maggie Walsh.

Angel: I kind of liked this, although it'll take a while to get me to warm to it. Like SJ said, the whole ep wasn't Angel angst, and Cordelia's presence helped a lot to lighten the tone... yeah, she is an airhead, but you had to smile at the look on Russell's face when she mentioned vampires. Of all the girls to grab... The ending was a tiny bit overdone with the background music, but that's the only nit I had. I came, I saw, I liked, I'll be taping next week during rehearsal. :)

**SPOILERS END**

Fanfic update> Got a short that has nothing to do with my fic cycle half-written to pacify my creativity demons. As for my fic cycle, oh, don't ask...

Okay, that's it, I'm fried. Night all...
Mandolin
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 11:26:34 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Really quick post 'cause I'm still tired from that all-nighter I pulled a couple of days ago and I've got some homework... *sigh*

Lexy> *hugs* Glad you're okay and stuff. :-) I'm here for ya (and pretty much everyone else here).

Doug> Would that character from a dumb-looking upcoming movie be Brad Pitt in "Fight Club?" I don't think the movie looks _that_ bad - seems to be some sort of dark comedy. And congrats on a good job on your Spanish exam. I'm not exactly having an easy time in my French class (not that I'm failing, it's just that I really want an A and my average is just a frustratingly high B), so I know it must feel pretty satisfying. :-)
Blue Caeru - [BlueCaeru@cs.com]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 10:06:11 PM
IP: spider-tr052.proxy.aol.com

SEVARIUS JR - You wrote: [Has anyone in here read anything by author Harry Turtledove? The guy's like, supposedly the king of "alternate history" novels. I just finished his "Guns of the South", and I loved it. Thought it was amazing. Anybody else read any of his stuff?]

Yeah, I'm a huge fan of his books. He's done a huge amount of great alternate history. He's done plenty of other fine books that I have on my shelves - WORLDWAR (4 volume series that has aliens invade Earth in 1942), HOW FEW REMAIN (Story of the 2nd Civil War set in the West in the 1880's), THE GREAT WAR (4 voume series of which the first volume has come out - set in the same universe as HOW FEW REMAIN - alternate WW 1 between US and Confederacy), AGENT OF BYZANTIUM (set in Byzantine Empire in 14th century in a universe where Muhammed converted to Christianity instead of founding Islam) and A DIFFERENT FLESH (In which Homo Erectus were the one's that Colombus encountered in the America's instead of the Indians). Plus he's got a sequel to WORLDWAR coming out called COLONIZATION - set in the same universe as WORLDWAR except 20 year later. The first volume of that came out in hardcover but I'm waiting to get it in paperback.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 09:54:24 PM
IP: 237.new-york-01-02rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Interactive story- I'm also posting this to the link I've included.

Searching for a connection

Officer Morgan was doing a foot patrol of Central Park tonight.

"Help me! Someone help!"

He was heading for the voice in seconds mentally praising the person. A lot of people still didn't think to scream for help when in trouble.

He stopped short as someone was tossed directly into his path like a rag doll. "What the...?"

He jumped over the fallen body and was shocked to see three gargoyles throwing around a small group of thugs. There was a yuppie couple on the ground looking fearfully at the scene. The woman looked up at the uniformed officer a breathed a sigh of relief. It was obvious he was the only one there she wanted to see. He had his gun in one hand and shined his flashlight to geta better look.

The female looked up and he just about dropped his flashlight.

"Mal, Brent, have to go now!" she ordered.

"My god, she looked and sounded a lot like Elisa."
******

"Should have listened to Talon and stayed below," Malibu said.
Jason Barnett - [barnett@shentel.net]
Lebanon Church, VA, USA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 09:20:36 PM
IP: ha18s157.d.shentel.net

Had a run in with mom today couldn’t be helped it was about my nephew and she said something that disturbed me. Long story, but whatever issues I have with my mom she is 10000 times better than my sister will ever be. Any way we started talking about his behavior and I said she should be stricter. She looked my straight in the eye and said “I know you think I was a bad mother” me “ I never said that nor implied that to you. Have I ever said that?” I asked her. She looks away and says” no but I know you think it. I know I threw too much on you as a child. When I went a little crazy and left you to raise your sister and well me, but you can’t crush a child’s sprit and I won’t let it happen to nick like your father did it to you.” Crying now “coming home to find you kneeling at attention and” here she sobs “I won’t have him broken like you are”
Broken. That is what disturbs me I don’t think my sprit and will have been crushed or broken. Would I know? If you live in a shattered house your whole life do you know it is shattered?

Well on to a brighter note in my new place and almost unpacked. Living on my own and while I am broke it dose feel good not to have a room mate and I should be able to post regular now that my computer is unpacked and running so off to catch up on the cr and see what’s going on

ironwolf
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 08:48:06 PM
IP: host-216-78-82-204.cha.bellsouth.net

**enters the room, switching out the candle and sniffling**

Still trying to lick this thing ... **sits in the big chair**

Shogun: Okay, I found the time and brought my page back up. :)

T. J. Veil, re: Gathering location: What about Cleveland? That'd be closer, and there's a group putting together a bid. Hell, if I could do it I'd try gettin' together a bid for Detroit ... and I've already stated that I'll back Cyrway if she wants to put together a Portland, ME bid. :)

Lexy: Hey, we understand. I understand more than any of us, I'm sure, as I've done the same rambling blindly to Ravyn.
**sighs briefly, fixing at the candle's flame, then continues**

Sarge: As Stormy's informed ye already, I've got WCC. Click my name link to see my progress ... yeesh, I have *got* to get writing, RL has been kicking my ass *too* long ... but I digress.
Among the notables who have given permission for me to use characters is Cyrway (who managed to get at least one character on every team), Stephen R. Sobotka, Merlin Missy, Doug Elder, about half of the MiniClan, Skydancer, Lady Foxglove, Fleur, Mandolin ... the list goes on and on. It added up eventually to 73 creators (increased to 75 to include Stormy and Christine Morgan ... during mails while working on "Rain and Rosanna," she kind of belatedly gave me permission to ue Jericho, but I declined because I was already writing it, but since she put her own characters into the Silver Flame story the blanket permission extended to her.), contributing over 400 characters. And I'm slowly going mad. :)

**WCC contributors start kicking his butt** Okay, okay, I'll get some more written!!

Stormy: Of course, the match I'm wondering about in the Deathmatch (if it ever gets written) is Sombrero vs. Buick ... **images run through mind of Buick driving his Skylark into the ring and running over Sombrero. :)**

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating on the candle**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
"See their team is weakening, We're going to win this game ..."
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 08:23:42 PM
IP: modem36.i-is.com

No picture eh? All well. I didn't want to put Ajax up again. Who thought up that character anyway?

Here's a poem I was sent from my friend. It has an unknown author but it is Funny!

*SOTALLY TOBER*

starkle starkle little twink
who the hell you are I think
I'm not under what you call
the alcofluence of incohol
I'm just a little slort of sheep
I'm not drunk like tinkle peep
I don't know who is me yet
but the drunker I stand here
the longer I get
Just give me one more drink
to fill me cup
'cuz I got all day sober
to Sunday up

unknown author


funny eh?

Stormy- Clan Newfie page? Oooooo I jes' gotta sees this me girl!

Sarge
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 07:49:00 PM
IP: spider-wi054.proxy.aol.com

BUFFY AND ANGEL - I liked both episodes from last night. (They must have made quite an impression on me, too; last night I dreamed that I was in Sunnydale on the day of the Mayor's Ascension, although I didn't meet any of the characters in it). I got a chuckle out of Xander's role in it. (BTW, I've read that Whedon mentioned once that Xander was modelled a bit after himself - shades of Greg Weisman's mention that Vinnie was modelled a bit after himself!) I also noticed the "Weisman Hall" bit (although my closed captioning gave it as "Wiesman", alas). And I, too, am intrigued by these mysterious gargoyle-hunters; hadn't even thought that they had some connection to the "Take Back the Night" organization at the beginning.

The "Angel" premiere was good, too; I hope that they do bring Whistler back into the series. He always rather intrigued me; the whole business of a "good demon" was something that I wanted to know more about. (So all the vampires in the board room with Russell at the end were vampires? Very interesting indeed).

DOUG - By any chance, when the gargoyles have their run-in with Reis el Ghul (sp?) in Prague, will they notice the way that he's a sound-alike for the Archmage? :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 06:55:19 PM
IP: 216.87.46.240.dialup-stl.primary.net

Sarge: Coyote is writing a storyline like that, called "When Clans Collide," using a whole bunch of ppl's characters. (unfortunately I heard about it too late to have mine join in, and Dylan's just lazy...*grins*) It does have Cyrway's characters in it among other notables...

Cyrway also has a "Gargoyles Fanfic Deathmatch" project at her webpage
(http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/7900/index.html)

with currently two fights up--Artemis vs. Elisa's Ford Fairlane, and Coyote's Samson versus Cyrway's Kat.

Aaron: Ah, feedback on the Garth Ennis Tribute--I misread ya, since the last link I'd put up was the mutant pokemon...Thanks! I was hoping to get something after the big Preacher discussion in here a few months back!

And speaking of clan Newfie, while I haven't had time to start yet, I'm taking over Dylan's art gallery so all the Clan Newfie pics will be organized on the Clan Newfie website. In the meantime...what image spoiler? *innocent smile*
Stormy - [<--Spoiler? Who, Me?]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 06:16:37 PM
IP: 50753a.huron.uwo.ca

2000/2001: My husband Alex has a theory. 01/01/2000 is the beginning of the "Millenium". You know, with only one N. Common misconception, common misspelling -- I think it works. :) The Millennium, of course, doesn't start till 01/01/2001.

Okay. Saw Buffy last night. Taped Angel, haven't seen it yet but caught the last ten minutes. REACTIONS AND SPOILERS AHEAD!
First off: Xander. Love Xander. The whole episode picked up when he came in. He really is Key Guy, isn't he? And always has been, whether or not anyone noticed.... And his mangling of Yoda's line was priceless, as was Buffy's response: "Thank you for the Dadaist pep talk. I feel much more abstract now." (That's going in my sig file!)
Sunday. I _liked_ her; the ultimate Predatory Upperclassthing. Wish they'd kept her for another episode or two. (At least long enough for someone to call her "Sunday Bloody Sunday.")
Giles. Was it me, or was he WAY off his game? *frown* Wasn't pleased at all with his depiction. (Except for the absolutely gorgeous Lydia; that was very pleasing. Wish we'd seen more of that.) This ep made him look silly, and I strongly disapprove.
Buffy herself. Also WAY off her game, but in a somewhat more believable fashion. First few days of college can shake up your self-confidence in a big way. Good to see she got over that when she had to.
Take Back the Night -- On Barnard/Columbia campus, this is a rally protesting violence-against-women; the idea is that women should be able to go out alone at night in safety. I have a sneaking feeling that in Sunnydale, it might mean something entirely else. Related to the techno-vampire-hunter squad? Maybe....

G'night, rookery sibs. You know I love you.
Batya the Toon
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 06:15:02 PM
IP: s15h074.lab.qc.edu

**RP ALERT**

On the battlefield at Giza, Stephanie and Keith finish off the Phalanx who were attacking them and rush to help Doug, Kit, and the others with another bunch of Phalanx. The Ravens are currently shooting bullets, arrows, grenades, and magic at the advancing horde, while Jaden cuts down the few who make it past the barrage (Stephanie and Keith are soon helping him). One particularly ugly-looking Phalanx drone manages who faces them tells Jaden, "I want you to hit me as hard as you can." (Cyber-cookie to the person who identifies the upcoming dumb-looking movie this guy is from.) Jaden grins, "Okay!" and knocks his opponent in half with a single chop from his axe. The rest of the attacking Phalanx division is soon decimated, and the Ravens press on toward the entrance to the Pyramids area. A large covered jeep catches up to them just as they reach the gate, and the Ravens are surprised when a golden gargoyle statue looks out at them. "I'm Meryt," she identifies herself. "Erin said I might find some people like you here. Don't worry, I came to assist." "Thanks," Doug tells her. "Just follow her in." Meryt nods and drives to the back of the party. The Ravens run ahead of her towards the Pyramids, shooting down whatever Phalanx get in their way. The living statue is about to follow when suddenly a bolt of magic chips off her jeep's door. Meryt leaps out as a fireball destroys the vehicle, jumping back to her feet just in time to face the one who threw it. "Well, well," Isfet chuckles, twirling a bolo in preparation. "I was going to stop that fight down there, but first I should settle an old score." Meryt growls and tackles her. Soon a huge catfight has began between the two, and they become oblivious to their respective goals.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi everyone. Good news. I had a Spanish test today, and I think I did a very good job on it. :) This is really good because I haven't done that well on most of the quizzes before it. It's also a bit of good news due to that test in the other class Friday that I know I bombed. <sigh> Economics test tomorrow, hope I do as well on it. <fingers crossed> Keep the prayers coming, friends. :)

Fanfic Progress: Thanks again to the one person who sent feedback on Law Enforcement, and thanks also to the other people who may have read it and just gave stars. Hope I get more feedback on the story soon, like all writers I want to know what I'm doing right and wrong. :) Control is coming along well, I'm currently up to the scene in which the Avalon travellers meet the Golem, Janus, and Max. Lots of work ahead, I hope to get the whole tale done by Halloween. If anyone knows of any good websites for info on Ras al'Ghul (who as you know will be the story's villain) please give me the links. I would really appreciate it. The BatmanTAS eps featuring him can only tell you so much.

Sick People: Get well soon, all of you. Until Sli stops pestering you, I'll keep you all in my prayers. Ditto for your loved ones. :)

Jenna: You're welcome about the comment last week. I agree with you about the end of the world.

Mandi: Congrats on succeeding at that difficult exam. Too bad I can't say the same for what happened with my test. <sighs>

Spiderman Unlimited: Watched the first ep of that show on Sunday, and like most people in here I disliked it. <shakes head> I hated what they've done to Spidey, Venom and Carnage were out of character beyond belief, and the High Evolutionary made a somewhat interesting antagonist but no more (he didn't have the depth of character that great antagonists such as Xanatos, Demona, and Darth Vader do, and that was disappointing). I definitely won't be using any of its elements in my fanfic saga. (Heck, in fact I'll be departing from official Spiderman continuity in a lot of ways. You'll have to wait for Night of the Symbiotes to find out how much. <grin> Only hints I can give are that I'll be continuing the original Fox animated series; Spidey won't end up with Mary Jane (who I never liked); and that anyone who wants an idea of my plans for Venom should read RA Salvatore's Passage to Dawn.:)

David G: However long you take to finish Freelance 4 is okay with me and Kit, we know the end result will be good. But please don't take as long as Ryan Stout is with Stitch of Time 4! :) Good luck with the LARP you're doing.

Disney and Gargs: I really hope they're not canning the show. The fact that they're editing it alone distresses me. Oh well, if they do end up seriously considering taking it off the air, I'm sure a little organized protest at next year's Gathering will help change their minds. :)

**SPOILERS AHEAD FOR A FEW NEW TV SHOWS**

Buffy's Season Premiere: The ep this week was okay, I liked what they did with Buffy, Willow, Oz, and Xander. The vamp gang made excellent villains, and the psychology class professor and TA seemed like good characters. The "Take Back the Night" vigilante squad was also a possibly interesting plot premise, and there was good action in the episode, as well as great comedy and a realistic portrait of college life. One thing that really attracted me as a Gargs fan was that one of the campus buildings was named Weisman Hall. :) My only gripes with the episode were that we didn't see anything of Anya (who I hoped would show up again, maybe she will soon), not seeing Buffy and Willow as roomies (why wouldn't they be?), and I also thought Giles was out of character until the end. Overall, though, pretty good ep. 8/10.

Angel: This show is looking like it will be very neat. The first ep had a wonderful plot and great development on each of the three leads. The villain was also an excellent character and I really enjoyed his interaction with Cordy and Angel, especially in the moment just before his death. The vampire law firm made pretty good villains too, I hope we'll see more of them in the eps ahead. Everything else I wanted to say about this show has already been said, I'm looking forward to its upcoming episodes. :)

Futurama: The episode of this show Sunday night was hilarious, hope some of you caught it. I thought it did a very good job critiquing college life as well as making me laugh. Two good lines from the episode- "Somebody's been a BAD computer!" and "I don't know how to teach! I'm a professor!" The second one is unfortunately too often true in modern times.

**SPOILERS END**

Deuce: Thanks for the good song, wonder what its tune is like. I think you should definitely buy the Stigmata soundtrack, it has some very cool music by Bjork, David Bowie, and Natalie Imbruglia in addition to Billy Corgan's stupendous score. Those Rolling Stone critics Nightwalker mentioned should get new jobs if they can't see the merits of this CD. (The David Bowie song was particularly inspiring for my fanfic saga, especially when coupled with Venom and ideas from the aforementioned RA Salvatore book. It'll also be a great theme for a far-in-the-future story that was originally spawned in my mind by a creature from the computer game Drakan. [Big award to whoever guesses the creature in question, if you've read some of my recent fanfic and played the game it should be easy to do.])

Princess Mononoke: Definitely going to check this out, hope it lives up to the hype. Even if it doesn't, it should be somewhat enjoyable since it has Claire Danes. :)

Jaden: <Way too many reports of child abuse> I agree, wish there was something I could do to help.

Lexy: Thanks for stopping by again, it's good to know you're doing okay. :)

That's all for now, I'm off to relax a little before studying for my economics test tomorrow. Later, ppl! <waves>

**MORE RP COMING UP**

The Ravens do not have time to notice Meryt hasn't followed them, too occupied with facing another bunch of Phalanx blocking their way to the Great Pyramid of Chufu and its smaller twins. Kit blasts down the front rank of the group with her friends' help and soon they reach the first pyramid. "We'll secure this one," Tom tells Doug, holding up one of the deassimilation crystals Rho gave them and waving Mist and Janice to his side. "You guys cover us." "Right," Doug nods, and turns to help the others on the ground hold back the enemy while Tom and his companions scale the assimilated building's side. "Hey Gubio!" Jammer shouts as he shoots down a bunch of Phalanx who look suspiciously like the cast of Mummies Alive. "When do you think your girlfriend's gonna get here?" "Probably not for a while," the hacker replies. "She does have to drive all the way from Istanbul." "Hope she drives fast!" Jammer chuckles. "She's missing some great fun!" The other Ravens roll their eyes at this pronouncement and continue their shooting. "You think Wilek and SJ are okay inside the Sphinx?" Kit asks Doug as they blow away a group of assimilated Egyptian tour guides. "They probably are," he replies. "Or at least we should hope they are. After all the outcome of our whole battle here is resting on whether or not their part of the mission succeeds." Kit nods in agreement as the screen goes blank.

**END TODAY'S RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 05:03:09 PM
IP: fac-b-a7.lib.utexas.edu

I'm back all. No one figured out that number eh? Oh well I don't even have an idea for a top ten. I'm plum out of top tens for Gargoyles, all I have left is for everything in life. I don't know if that will suit people in here.

Beast machines- One of the best shows! I thought one of the three generals had an odd coloration of Trantulas and one of them had the voice of Depth Charge...but I didn't see who played the voices and so I don't know. And it isn't good to rely on someone who is half deaf! :)

Digimon- SkullGreymon. I think this is actually kinda cool. Wish Pokemon would put more dreded mosters into their long list of animals. Have you noticed that kids can memorize over 150 pokemon but they can't even remember the ten commandments or when they were suppose to pick their room up?

Well I can't think of anything else to say. My house is still being constructed on. My room has been painted and it looks so cool! I jes' need to get the two windows in, plate up the outlets, and paint my mural of a dragon on the bare wall. Hopefully I'll be able to extend my mural across the whole room and get a gargie into it!

My fan-art pic- Sketching process is done! I'll probably scan it at the school (the only place I know where there is a scanner. unless someone knows where a bigger scanner can be FOUND so that large pieces of artwork can be placed on.

my fan-fics- Not good news. I've been noticing something lately. I lost my flare for garg fan-fics. I have no need to write them. At least a main series. I will still be writing small stories and cross overs still though. I always wondered about a huge story with everyone's(I know)character in it fighting some big force. He he...I can jes' imagine Dylan Blacquiere's Whitbourne and hayden's Avery fighting a Madoc writin by Christine Morgan.......has someone done that yet? Could be an interesting group project.

I've also noticied that I spend a lot of time on my series for Beast Wars. In truth I have written a lot, it's jes' being delayed posting at the fan-fic page(there's one for every show). Maybe the fact that they are still making new episodes turns on my flare for writing them? I've also noticied that I tend to keep invented characters out of my beast Wars stories, but originally I wanted to put a whole new clan into the garg series. I really wish I could write more in gargship, but I haven't had a good flare ever since my story, "The sword" part 1. (And that was bad! Well my editor liked it....)

Kankersores- Right now I feel like putting a can of lysol in my mouth so I can lose all feeling. I hate kankersores.......why the HECK did I even mention this?

I gotta go before people start wondering why I am in here staring at a computer and not even typing! It took me 30 mins. jes' to write this! Ah caramba!

Sarge. Be afraid. Be very very afriad.(Sorry for any spelling mistakes!)
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 03:53:42 PM
IP: 209.198.65.194

Hi folks. I've been kind of busy lately, or I would have posted more often. My Live Game is on the 30th, and my little brother moved in last Sunday. That's pretty well killed my free time for the next month.

Freelance Update> I really don't think episode 4 will be finished before the end of October. I hate to wait that long, but I've got to get the LARP ready. After that, I may be able to pick up the pace a bit.

Starting around the tail end of November, I'm going to start writing the text of Goth: the ennui, so it will be ready around the first of the year.

Other interesting stuff> I haven't heard much about the video game lately. I've been too busy to think about it myself, but in a couple of weeks, I'll probably send out an "is anybody out there?" e-mail.

I also have a friend who's talking about playtesting an RPG, but that's pretty far in the future. (a year or so, I think)

***Buffy and Angel Spoilers***
Actually, the only thing I have to say about Angel is "What happened to Whistler?" They introduced this kinda cool character at the end of Buffy season 2, and then he disappeared. I think Doyle is supposed to be his replacement, which is OK.

I liked the first episode. It was so refreshing to meet a vampire who didn't want to live in a broken down ruin. (My friend Chris said "Finally, a Ventrue instead of all these Brujah")

As for Buffy, the opener was good. My theory on the guys in ski-masks at the end is that they're a vigilante group, the one passing out flyers about "Taking back the night" that Willow and Buffy talked about. They probably don't even know what vampires are, but they will.

My bet is that she and they will tangle in the future, since their methods are not subtle, and tend to endanger innocents.

OK, gotta go. I'll be back one of these days, particularly if something interesting happens.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 03:52:11 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Sevarius Jr.> I taped Buffy last night for Denis and I ended up watching it - for the first time in my life. I have to admit that I really enjoyed the show! :) (Sorry, Fred.. hehehe) My favorite line in the show was, "bing fat is what makes you look fat, that sweater just makes you look.... purple." I have a lot of catching up to do on the characters and background, but I plan on continuing watching it. Denis is quite pleased, but Fred is going to tie me to the rack...*chuckles* *holds tightly to Denis* ack! save me from Fred's grip!! *g* *winks at Fred* hehehe
I haven't had a chance to watch Angel yet, but am looking forward to it. I have received some basic background on his character - but would appreciate any updating that you can give me. :) (on Angel and Buffy) Yes, I agree... a secret society of sorts to hunt down vampires, but yet I don't think they will be friends of Buffy. O.O
Jannie
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 01:56:37 PM
IP: 196-149.c.esc4.net

Toon Dis > it looks to me like they might actually be getting better about acknowledging our show ... they moved it to a slightly more accessible, less middle-of-the-night timeslot ... they have new ads (and hopefully ditched that nauseating G-Team crap!), and the characters have been showing up in their montage commercials, like that villains one with Demona and Puck or "toon faces" with Goliath. So I'm hoping here that they're beginning to realize people are still out there, still loving the show, obsessed and insane as we may be ... how many of their other shows have a 4th annual convention coming up? We may be slowly getting their attention. As long as _I_ don't get their attention ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 01:15:14 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

HEY EVERYBODY!!!

*is babysitting at Cherry's house today*

*sighs* I miss my comp so much..no wait..thats not true..I want to throw that off the balcony. What is true is that I miss you guys and the freedom of surfing..yes..that is more appropriate. *hugs all* *wipes a tear*

Well, as things go now..we are _pretty_ sure that the bill is not going away..*waves bub-bye to her college tuition for another year* goodgrief.. As far as just getting back online at all..well

I called A bunch of tech support lines untill I found one that didnt hang up on me. We checked my Hard drive and found that there were no problems with it..so It had to be soft wear or something like a wire brakage. SO we went through and reconfigurated..*hopes that is the correct terminology* and wiped my comp clean...everything..*sniffs* ALL GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*pouts* and THEN they tell me, "Well,..just in case it IS just your mouse acting up, (as I suggested), "-we will send you a new mouse it will be there in about 4 weeks:P"
OH GREAT! I dont know weather I want the damn thing to work or not! IF it does I have a chance in heck of getting back here sometime next month, but it also means I just dissed everything saved for a stupid mouse problem:P Kaioto tried to help me save stuff on some disks..but I just didnt know where it was all saved *shrugs* Im really bad with comp stuff..and heck..I thought it all saved in Documents..I THOUGHT THAT WAS the file name *shrugs*
SO to rap things up here..I am waiting for my mouse..if that dosnt unfreeze the comp..then *shrugs* back to square one..if it does then I can start looking for my new provider and get back on da'net. THEN I get to have the utmost pleasure in Re-installing my scanner..which for the record took like a month the first time cuz of some screwy problem..idunno...like I have a DVD player and it was messing with the space? Something along those lines and so I had to wait for a tech peron to get back to me and the phone bill took another hit for that..*rolls eyes* great..ANOTHER bill. Then all I have to do is re-download..well eveything and catch up on email..that parts not so bad though *wipes brow*
*sighs* I cant wait to get back!!

Kaioto- *blushes deeply* Turn some heads hey? Ya, in the other direction *L* aww *sees your bewildered I give up look* *gives you a kiss* sorry love..I just couldnt resist:)

Love..if..you dont want the job that you are heading for..then dont do it. I want you to be happy. You being happy means I am happy as well..*shrugs* My dream as a girl (about 1 year ago when I even considered boys:P *L*) was that if I was to marry it would be a man who worked for God..so its not like it is a horrible blow to me! *huggles* I know..money wise..it would hurt us. But dont just throw your life into something you dont want, your tooooo young to do that yet:P *pouts* dang ..if ..IF ONLY *mumbles something about child expenses* no matter how hard I try I KNOW cuz im trying to avoid it.. Too bad too..*is very fond of children* *pouts* well..love mabye there is another job you can get? *suggests feebly* ..er..mabye? And dont forget I will be working too..not the greatest income in the world..but teaching isnt that bad. *hugs tightly* We will do ok no matter what you do love. Just promise me you will listen carfully to what your heart is telling you ok? If God needs you..then he does, and if this job you may get will suck..then screw it. We can just travle the world selling comics and running shows ok love! *L* It will be so fun!

*looks around at the gagging ppl's* sorry guys, I have no other way to talk ..to I have to ramble when I get the chance;)

Blue- Ya, I cant dance either...dont wanna anyway. BUT if I had the chance to go anywhere with my love I'd do it in a heart beat *smiles wistfully* *sighs*

Well, I had better finish breakfast and do some more homework *has to finish reading Wuthering Heights* geez..I and thought MY family was disfunctional..I feel like im reading Jerry's memoirs:P

*kisses her love deeply and runs*
Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 11:59:02 AM
IP: abd9bfc0.ipt.aol.com

SJ>I've read some of Harry Turtledove's books. I own the Worldwar series and Colonization: Second Contact and all are very good books IMO.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 11:20:48 AM
IP: border1.cariboo.bc.ca

I have really got to stop going shopping. I can't buy anything practical anymore. My tastes seem to have turned to the fantastic. Last night I bought a pair of cheetah print pants. I have no idea when I'll get to wear them, except to SAAS meetings, but I liked them too much to pass them up. BTW, I'm a size five. Just for the record.

Jenna> Gods, but it's not your week, is it? (Hugz) Try this stress reduction exercise:

Picture yourself next to a cool blue ocean. The water ripples gently against the shore. Take a deep breath. Now picture the person who's causing you the stress. You seem to be holding them under the water. Take several more deep breaths, and savor the sounds of the ocean. Feel better?

SJ> Yeah, I've read most of Turtledove's stuff. I think I liked GOTS best, but the World War series is well worth checking out, too.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 10:46:37 AM
IP: ppp-77.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Drank two huge mugs of Neo Citran last night and passed out for eight hours. Best sleep I've had in weeks. o_O

2000/2001: Oh, well, we've got the "New Millennium" and the "True Millennium". Better thing about '01 is that I'll be able to go out; this year my dad (who's on the y2k project where he works) will be working until 4:00 am New Year's Day, and I have to stay home and make sure the generator is working if the power goes out. :-P No long, long New Year's chats with Cathy this year, I'm afraid.

night walker> You've got the Stigmata soundtrack? Now I'm infinitely jealous of you. Billy Corgan is a frickin' genius.... How good is the rest of the music; I'm thinking of buying it.

And I'm so damned tired I can't think of anything else to say. Talk to y'all later.
Deuce - [notmuch@curtain.cjb.net]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 10:12:00 AM
IP: edtn001958.hs.telusplanet.net

Just a few quick comments here....couldn't post last night, since I was pretty much in an unconscious heap for most of the evening (the best part about being sick is the medication!!! ;)

Has anyone in here read anything by author Harry Turtledove? The guy's like, supposedly the king of "alternate history" novels. I just finished his "Guns of the South", and I loved it. Thought it was amazing. Anybody else read any of his stuff?

MC2 cancellations: I can only assume that Marvel is still trying to recuperate from their bankruptcy, so if the MC2 books didn't do outstanding in their first few issues, they get the can (and Marvel is still hurting. Try reading one of their titles; all their comics seem to be about 48 pages now, but it ain't story, it's mostly ads!!!). Another could be interest in the books. Perhaps the casual comic book fan, the fan who doesn't have much to spend on comics every month (like me), wasn't willing to spend 2 bucks for them. I'm sorry to say this is me. If I only have 2 bucks to spend on a book, I'd rather buy the latest issue of Batman (which has been GREAT these past few months) or Avengers, or what have you, than "Wild Thing", etc.

***BUFFY SPOILERS****
Good new season episode. Not the greatest I've ever seen, but it did set up the mood and give us a sign of what's to come. Some of the hight points, I thought, were Xander's little talk with Buffy ("Male dancing?" "No power on this earth."), and of course, Giles the Stud (hey, who knew???). Good episode, I look forward for more. BTW, who do you think those goons in the ski masks who took down the vamp were? I smell a secret society!!!)
***END BUFFY SPOILERS***

***BEGIN ANGEL SPOILERS***
EXCELLENT episode!!! After so many lukewarm or crappy premieres for new shows this season, we finally get a strong showing for what looks to be a great new program. I've heard good things about the show--it's more violent, more adult--and I must say, I was greatly impressed with this first episode. I thought Angel is very well suited as Batman....rather, a urban vigilante, and placing Cordy and the half-human/half-demon? Doyle in there as his allies was a welcome touch. Some strong villains are established, and I thought overall, from the writing to the acting, everything was solid and very well done. I'm really looking forward to the next episode.
But best of all, this episode had none of the usual Angel angst!!!!!
***END ANGEL SPOILERS***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 10:00:10 AM
IP: 207-172-35-178.s178.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

*** Jenna enters in with a tired face and bloodshot eyes **

Well the good news is, everything at work is honkey dory-- me and my boss both agreed that she was in the wrong, and he's going to keep an eye on her from now on--

The bad news--It was ground zero at my apt last night. My brother-in-law came home drunk and verbally attacked my husband and me, and one thing led to another--and the final result is my brother in law stormed out of our apt, telling us to "f*ck off"--- needless to say he has some serious issues and such-- to much to go into now-- I'm too bloody tired anyway....

This doesn't seem to be my last couple of days....
jenna
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 09:48:05 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Autographs, Trek Stars and Miscellany> I know the guy who runs the websites for Jeri Ryan, Chase Masterson, and James Darren. In fact several of the stars personal fan clubs are connected to Dallas fandom. Chase Masterson especially, she swings through Dallas at least once a year on the con tours.

Lately here in Dallas though, the only cons getting put on are ben Stevens' Sci-Fi Expos which are mostly Star Wars (check out their website and you will notice Ethan Phillps got third billing behind those overrated extras from Star Wars. If I was Ethan, I would be pissed)
Skippy The Klingon
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 08:58:06 AM
IP: uv1-46.ultravision.net

Goodmorn
well Toon Disney DID have gargs on last night (1 hour earlier than previously) very glad, cause we like catching our favorites when they are showing.

catch you all later
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 08:30:53 AM
IP: 216.190.241.168

Hi all!!

jenna re coworker:If that sort of thing keeps up,I'd suggest you speak to your union rep,you shouldn't have to put up with stuff like that.

Angie:No, the rumor's aren't true about Toon Disney getting rid of Gargoyles. I don't think they're dumb enough to do that>>Don't be so sure of that Angie,Disney Australia took Gargoyles of the air last week(much to my anger)and replaced it with cr@p like Ernest goes to Hollywood>:(

Night walker re disturbing dreams:At least you didn't have the semi pralyisises(SP)that I had last night:(

C'yas later!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 08:15:58 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

No, the rumor's aren't true about Toon Disney getting rid of Gargoyles. I don't think they're dumb enough to do that. All they did was move Gargoyles up an hour to 7:00PMpacific time 10:00PM eastern. I think they probably saw the polls or something because now they making more commercials featuring Gargoyles in part of them. Before, they only had one Gargoyle commercial, but now, I think they've come to their senses. Well that's all I have to say for now, bye. (waves)
Angie - [Goliathgirl5@yahoo.com]
USAWednesday, October 6, 1999 07:34:42 AM
IP: dial66.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net

I saw a *most* interesting commercial on Toon Disney recently. It was advertising their late night lineup, and guess which show featured prominently in the commercial. It wasn't like those stupid G-Team commercials either--they portrayed Gargoyles fairly well for once. Maybe the rumor isn't true...?

Xanathar> <<this guy almost beat up his own mother(He was being really abusive and swearing a blue streak) because he had to foot the bill for the shopping>> What...?! <grr> When I take over, ppl like this will be killed, slowly and creatively.

Pogo> <<All I can imagine a Disney spokesperson saying is something like, "Of course the unedited shows are great -- we obviously think so or we'd never have aired them -- but, in putting together Toon Disney, we're trying to compete with Nick in the sense of providing 'absolutely no worries' shows suitable for the very, very youngest viewers. So even though the shows are great, they may be a little rough for the tots.">> Somehow, that rings *very* true. Why they didn't just show it later or run it on one of their main channels is anyone's guess...

2000/2001> I read from a reliable source that 2001 is indeed the technical start of the new milennium. Whatever--I'll just celebrate both times. 2000 as the 'Milennium's Shadow' has an interesting ring to it. ;)

Batya> <<shogun raptor> You _prefer_ the long involved ones? But the whole point of the game is to make the connection in as few "degrees" as possible!>> I always figured the game was what one made of it. ^_^

Jenna> <<this gal is notorious for bringing personal problems to work, and she's going through a rough time right now. My supervisor was off, and when ever that happens she gets worse, because she thinks she can get away with it. Very bossy, very aggressive- very in your face yelling at you. Well, she flipped out on me today, and then she made some super bitchy comment that I better not cry about it either. (Because this b*tch put me in tears once.) And when I talk about flipping out, I mean like weird flipping out-- like taking all the aggressions of her life out on your truely, and then telling me that I had an attitude problem.>> <GRR> Kill her. Make it look like suicide. If you can forge a fairly disturbing note, so much the better. No one messes with us this way. >8(

Mononoke sites> http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Comics_and_Animation/Animation/Anime/Titles/Princess_Mononoke/ (at my name link) has a small list of them.

Night Walker> <<Really , impressed with bjork. Uh, oh .My mom said that a few days ago and then I saw her roll her eyes when I started telling her about her song "Bedtime stories" .>> Don't worry, friend; I was being sincere. ^_^ <<IF ANYBODY IS REALLY ANNOYED WITH ME AND WANTS ME TO STOP TALKING ABOUT BJORK PLEASE SAY SO , SO I'LL KNOW TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT>> Trust me, it's not getting annoying. Now, spending entire posts talking about nothing but Bjork, and posting like that day in and day out, THAT would be annoying. <G> <<Even though this doesn't effect me the least bit, I'M STILL PISSED. WHY!!!!!!!!!>> Righteous indignation. ;) <<If FF7 was nearly this good please somebody tell me the plot>> OK...
**SPOILERS FOR FINAL FANTASY 7**

I'm not sure of all the details, but it involves the hero, Cloud Strife, being involved with some kind of rebellion that's destroying reactors belonging to some huge corporation that are slowly killing the planet. In classic Squaresoft fashion, the plot thickens when an experiment by this same company manages to escape and try to destroy the world. (There's a lot more to it than that, but I don't know what it is since I've never made it very far. :} )

**END**
$<<I've been away so long, I need to know what has become of the RP>> We're currently in Giza, Egypt, in the Sphinx which has been assimilated by a Borglike alien race called the Phalanx, trying to rescue Sevarius Jr.'s dad and destroy the enemy forces (preferably without destroying any of the ancient Egyptian stuff).$ <<what is normal anyway?>> Friend, it's been a long time since any of us have had any idea. <G> <<I've been having this strain of disturbing dreams , that always forshadows something terrible.>> ACK. My dreams are pretty disturbing as well; I know what it's like. Good luck getting rid of those.
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 05:36:38 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

check

Anonymous
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 03:18:53 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Sorry about the double post, but I accidently hit the submit button.

jenna: I hope if your boss does anything, it is to reprimand the other B!tch. You shouldn't have to take that crap from anyone.

Shogun: J2 and A-Next have already been canned. They stopped several months ago. Spider-Girl is the only one of the three original MC2 comics still coming out.

Gargs on TD: I would like to remind you all that while this would suck, it was orginally posted as a rumor last week. Nobody has said anything official yet.

night walker: <<I've been having this strain of disturbing dreams , that always forshadows something terrible.>> I hope your dreams are just that, dreams. Sometimes it can be your own belief that something bad is coming that is more frightening than the nightmares. My opinion on worrying about this sort of thing is that we can't change the past, or predict the future, so we should worry about what's happening now. I hope you get over these nightmares, but we're all here to support you.

Thought for the Day:
"There's a fine and wonderful moment near the end of 'The Phantom Tollbooth'... where Milo, the Hero, having succeeded in a mighty quest is told the one piece of information he was denied at the start of his journey.
"He's told the task he has just accomplished was impossible.
"When he asks why they hadn't told him that before, it is pointed out to him that, had he known it was impossible, he wouldn't have done it."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 03:18:07 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Pogo: My response to that would be something of this nature. 'So it's OK for kids to see cartoon violence, which shows no consequenses for hitting people, but not see what really happens when people get hit.'

Autographs: I can't remember their names, but the guys that play Martok and Gowron are going to be doing a signing at our local comics shop. One of our regulars worked at a summer camp with Chase Masterson and they became friends. She even got invited to the DS9 series wrap party. She arranged the session, although I can't remember offhand just when it will be.

2001: The biggest problem of the millenium changing is fear. People are afraid of what will happen. With all the Y2Krazies around, it's sure that next year someone will cause a big thing about 2001 being the true millenium and we'll have to put up with an extra year of this crap.

Gatherings in the South: I'd really like to go to a Gathering, but I live in Iowa and the chances of me actually getting the chance to drive halfway accross the country are slim. So maybe next time something more centered. Like Colorado or something.
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 03:03:50 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

I just got some disturbing information. For my speech I'm talking about child abuse and on one of my info sources it says that there are six reports of child abuse every minute.
That's waaaaaaaay too many.

jenna- Tell your co-worker that she needs therapy. Taking out personal problems on someone else is a major no no in my book. It takes a lot of work to stop from doing that.

Coyote- Get well soon. Colds suck.

Night walker-<disturbing dreams> Hey I know all about those kinds. My family finds my dreams so disturbing that I'm afraid that they think I'm crazy...and I only tell them about my 'normal' dreams.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 02:26:46 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

2000/2001 > I should send Tim in here so he'd have a support group ... about the only thing that gets him more riled up is any sort of medieval historical inaccuracy. Me, I don't care either way; all it means is that my checks, which read 19____, won't be much good, now, will they? Well, that and the possibility that milooniums will go nuts and destroy civilization even if the computers don't collapse.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 01:03:51 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Night Walker> Re 2001/"millenium": Keep preaching. Dangit, there WAS no "year zero" ... so ... GAH! You know whereof I speak :)
Pogo
Wednesday, October 6, 1999 12:37:40 AM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

Greetings, once again:

Well My biochem assigenent is done, The textbook readings are done and I get a full 7hr of sleep bofore class again(Yeah!!). If anyone is thinking of getting a Phd. in molecular biology you might want to ask yourself, "Do I really like having a social life?". If you answer yes, don't try this field.

Oh well, my Rant's done.

Night Walker: It might interest you to know that history agrees with you on the 2000/2001 debate. I actually did a fair amount of research on this during my 2hr break today and I confirmed that the millenium will only begin as of Jan 1, 2001 00:00:01. The actual reason for the hysteria surrounding the year 2000 is more out of the novelty of the situation tha out of a chronological ignorance. The 1000nd digit changing is much more exiting that seeing the date change from 2000 to 2001. This is also combined with the fact that most people don't realize that the millenial dates are counted from 1-1000 inclusive(1001-2000) in this case. Hmm, perhaps a switch to Psychology might be in order. How does a Thesis on the year 2000 effect on the population with respect to the mob mentality phenominon sound.

Skippy the Klingon: An interesting mix of autographs, Just think If you get them all they can also be used as the start of a Gargoyles Cast Autograph Set.

Well my bed is calling to me. Farewell.
Yggdrasil - [gperry@iprimus.ca]
Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 11:47:45 PM
IP: 209.167.129.5

ebay? why did I say that? I meant ITC. that was strange.
night walker
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 11:20:26 PM
IP: proxy-443.public.paix.webtv.net

Oh yeah.

2001-I've been telling people this for years and they still don't get it. Even my family won't believe me [um, bad example]. I saw that ep. of seinfeld were that guy was planing a millenium party and seinfeld corrected him. My respect for him went up a couple of points there. I'm glad that most of you think the same way about this as I do.

Wilek- Really , impressed with bjork. Uh, oh .My mom said that a few days ago and then I saw her roll her eyes when I started telling her about her song "Bedtime stories" . That's it , sorry all. IF ANYBODY IS REALLY ANNOYED WITH ME AND WANTS ME TO STOP TALKING ABOUT BJORK PLEASE SAY SO , SO I'LL KNOW TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT.**sigh**.

gargs getting the boot on TD-Oh well , I knew this was going to happen . You know what? Even though this doesn't effect me the least bit, I'M STILL PISSED. WHY!!!!!!!!! lol. TD isn't offered where I live . And it wouldn't matter if they put it on Cartton network BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OFFERED THAT EITHER, AHHHHHHHHH. ahem. It just keeps getting worse.

Greenbaron-thanx for the e-mails , I'll send you a few that I just got.

Ebay cels-I've had that site in my favorites file for almost a month now, and ever time I think about I cry. These are my daydreams, because we can't afford them , and if we could I know my mom wouldn't let me spend my money on them. **a tear falls from jeremy's eye**.

I'm waiting right now for a reply from my angela **sigh** has not yet come.

I have another reason for not being here. CONFESSION: I rented FF8. I know I shouldn't have , because I never rent video games that I want to buy in the near future **thinks back to legeand of legia , which he defeated on the third day of a five day rental**. You know what ? I haven't gotton past the 1st disk yet , and this game is amazing. It's a definate buy. If FF7 was nearly this good please somebody tell me the plot, it's in the greatest hits series[$19.99!].
I have this really neat idea[that's concited of me?] for a beginning story to my fics , but I'm afraid of what might happen if someone had already used this idea , and if I ask here , what if someone steals it before I get a chance to write it down? Can somebody help me?

Robby-I've been away so long, I need to know what has become of the RP. And I forgot what that idea that you had for me was . Sorry. I need to get back into my RPing, and quick.

MP-Yes , I have them , many me's. I have 9.They are sadness, anger , paranioa, extrovert, introvert, ignorance, fear , tranquility, and this one that I don't know , the one that only comes when it's truly the wrong moment. He's the one where I can't think or run , there is only this scared unknowing person that sneekes through my mind trying to come out, but at the slightest noise [tears] he runs. Only when I am happy with my life does he come out and take over, and make me miserable , I wish he would just stay where he is. I can never balence them out like "normal" people can [what is normal anyway?] it only one of them which is in control at a time, right now I'm extrovert. I know that as I grow and mature further my mind will give birth to more of me , but right now trying to control 9 is enough.

**sigh** , 10:00 and she still hasn't sent me anything. She's very social, practicaly the opposite of me , but our fondness for each other breaks through those walls.

I have to get off now. I'll come back tomorrow. love you all.

Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters. Dream nice dreams tonight. I've been having this strain of disturbing dreams , that always forshadows something terrible. Maybe if you all have good dreams I'll do the same.

"In Iceland , even the hippies are workaholics".-Bjork
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 11:10:19 PM
IP: proxy-443.public.paix.webtv.net

I just scared the crap out of my parents. How, you ask? I was the only officer to find out that there was a dress rehearsal tonight for our Lion Review show... I went, did a solo dance that's meant for five people, and was pretty much at school all day long. It was okay though because all my best friends are in the show. The problem was that I didn't leave a note for my parents and didn't show up at the pizza party. So even though I was home at nine at night, they were about to call the police cause they thought I was in a car wreck. *sigh* Crazy parents!

JackaL> Thanks for the hugs, bro!

Pistoff> I want to see the Trio on rollercoasters!
SOROW
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:49:05 PM
IP: dll2b211-06.splitrock.net

Shogun: Heh ... would you believe I'm trying to make up for not being able to post the page until Grey Day was 9 hours old?

**clears throat** The real reason is because I just plain haven't had the time to take down the Grey Day page. If ye want my regular page, click my name link right now, it goes to the renamed original entry page. I am *hoping* to get the page changed before the weekend. Sorry.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
"Spartan teams are bound to win, They're fighting with a vim, RAH! RAH! RAH!"
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:31:29 PM
IP: modem52.i-is.com

Bando> what's up with your page? Gray day ended four days ago
shogun raptor
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:22:17 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

**enters the room, switching out the candles**

Feeling better for two reasons ... my cold seems to be on the downside ... *plus* I got official notification tonight. That bus sign is *MINE!* :)
Oh, for those who might be curious ... there's another one up for sale right now, current bid is $11 last I checked ... it's not mounted, I don't think, but it's the same image.

Pissy: Tell the truth, sometimes I think some of my customers might actually get *smarter* if they took a hit. Case in point ... a woman on the phone this afternoon trying to price a power brake booster for her '67 Mustang. Here I am trying to give her prices (there's two styles of booster on that vehicle, and two versions of each one, you have your choice of whether you want a master cylinder or not), and she's blathering on, not letting me get in a word edgewise, about how she's been all over hell trying to find the booster and this blasted catalog she ordered one from that said it was on backorder ... she's basically saying the same thing over and over and over ... FOR FIVE FRICKIN' MINUTES!!
*Then* when I call her back to tell her I can get the boosters ... using the number *she* had just given me not three minutes before ... SHE WON'T PICK UP THE DAMNED PHONE!! I had to leave a message on a blankety-blankin' voice mail system, which if I'm guessing this woman's IQ right is going to probably be checked sometime in the spring of 3288. :P

Fire Storm: Are LM's eyes drying out? Ye might try some rewetting eye drops. If it's the light itself that's bugging her, there's actually some specialized tinted glasses you can get for computer glare ... and I'm guessing that this restoration's strain on her eyes is about equal to computer screen glare. If it gets so bad that she can't even take normal light without getting a migraine, she should see a doctor, pronto. Hope this helps.

B.G.: We'd prefer that ye made yer posts longer, but you're on the right track. Welcome.

Thanks to everyone who congratulated me on my successful first encounter with eBay. :)

Deuce: Actually, I have a thought about that ... I have two options here. One is, I can plaster it on a wall in my room (framed, of course). Other is, I can use it when I start entering "Now and Forever" in car shows as part of a panel to cover the floor of the back seat. Bottom line is, I wanted it because it was an *unusual* bit of Garg merchandise, and not one you could have normally picked up unless you ran public transportation at Walt Disney World. :)
(speaking of unusual ... someone has some more unusual Gargs stuff available: some equipment used to promote Gargs toys in Burger King kids' meals. I'm not bidding on that stuff, though, it's not exactly high quality.)

Robby: I agree with Pogo ... any good Mononoke sites?

Jenna: I'm behind ye, chica. There's no excuse for that kind of happy horse$#!t ... I don't have to deal with a customer giving me that, for sure you shouldn't have to deal with a co-worker blaming you for every f**kup that goes on in her life. **hugs**

**sits back in the massage chair, fixating once more on the candle's flame**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:20:20 PM
IP: modem52.i-is.com

to all newcomers> You know where you are? you're in the jungle baby! yer gonna die! (ceremonial GNR greeting)

M2> does this mean they're canning J2 as well? I rather liked that one, if for nothing else than it's almost tick-esque sense of humor
oh and time for another overly done six degrees
Archie Bunker to Gargoyles...go!
AB had guest shots by Bea Arthur....
who was on "the golden girls" with Estelle Getty....
who was in "stop or my mom will shoot" with Sylvester Stallone...
who was in Rocky 4 with Dolph Lundgren(sp?)....
Who was in Masters of the universe: the movie with Frank Langella....
Who was in Small soldiers with Robert Picardo...
who was on Voyager with Kate Mulgrew...
who does Titania on Gargs
shogun raptor
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:19:16 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

rrff!

Well had a run in with a coworker today- this just doesn't seem to be my week at work does it? Anyway, this gal is notorious for bringing personal problems to work, and she's going through a rough time right now. My supervisor was off, and when ever that happens she gets worse, because she thinks she can get away with it. Very bossy, very aggressive- very in your face yelling at you. Well, she flipped out on me today, and then she made some super bitchy comment that I better not cry about it either. (Because this b*tch put me in tears once.) And when I talk about flipping out, I mean like weird flipping out-- like taking all the aggressions of her life out on your truely, and then telling me that I had an attitude problem. I got so mad, I had to leave the room, leave the damned building for about 5 minutes. When I got back I gave my boss, who was absent, a voice mail about her, and yeah, he knows she does this all the time. (they went through ten temps before they got me-- and I'm not exaggerating!)

To my credit I was pretty calm in the voice mail. well, calmer at least than I was. I guess I'm telling you all this to ask you all to keep me in your thoughts tomorrow, because, well, I really hate crap like that. My boss is usually pretty cool, but sense the ssn office ep not a few days ago, I feel on shaky ground. And I really need this job.. not only am I supporting my self and Mike while he goes to school, I am also supporting my brother-in-law who is living with us in our apt for a while. So I'm in bit of a bind. Maybe I shouldn't have left the voice mail, but I was furious, and she really really went to far with that one snappy ass comment.

So again, keep me in your thoughts.

I hate to say, but sometimes I wish I was a b$tch like her, then at least I wouldn't be such a target for people like her. Well, I guess I never could be a B$tch....oh well,

I
jenna
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:07:55 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-92-31.hstntx.swbell.net

Hey all, I've missed you guys alot, sorry that I've been away so long.I was **cough, sigh** grounded.** embarassment, sigh** I'll definatly come more often from now on [I hope].

BEGIN RANT**
Well right now I'm listening to the stigmata soundtrack [love it] , and at the same time looking at it's review in Rolling Stone. What's stange about this is the fact that both the movie and soundtrack reviews are i one magazine . That isn't strange until you read.I'll tell you what it says.The soundtrack review strait from the pages [not all of it , just the really good parts , mostly the bjork one's , particularly because I'm listening to that song right now <<Like the film itself, the album is a study in possesion [david bowie's the pretty things are going to hell], obsession [bjork's all is full of love] , and disintegrating identity [Natalie Imbrulia's Identify].... A remix of bjork's all is full of love transforms a song of sentimental longing into a paean [?] to the unobtainable, as her wistful voice splits and duets in a field of distressed melodies>>. Wow , and I thought it was just a good mix , they have to make it mean something [LOL] . Similar things were said for billy corgan, David Bowie , And Natalie Imbrulia's contributions to the CD , exept theirs were were said to be their best efforts in a while. Movie review<<There should be a place in hell for hacks who turn out derivitive terror trash and pretend that they're doing an important piece on Vatican corruption. Perhaps the director and producers should be forced to watch Stigmata for all eternity. No, that's too cruel>>. Wow , I didn't think it was that bad . This is strange. Comments on this? I have nothing further to rant about this.
END RANT***

South park- my brothers watching the movie right now, it's been the 4th time already , and it's getting on my nerves.

Oh crap , I forgot what I was going to comment on next , I'll have to double post. Sorry , next time I'll write it all down.
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:01:03 PM
IP: proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net

ROBBY> Can you link us to any good Mononoke sites? Thanks.
Pogo
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:40:30 PM
IP: mail.dorseylaw.com

SAtill busy busy busy... This Friday starts a five day weekend, so naturally all our teachers are pushing to have big projects done before then, which means lotsa homework... So Friday at the latest I'll have time to post...

24 MORE DAYS UNTIL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE! (So where are the commercials dangit? Come on Disney, this could be the bigget success you guys ever had, but if you don't advertize you're gonna blow it...)
Robby
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:27:22 PM
IP: spider-wj072.proxy.aol.com

Speaking about the Texas Renissaiance Festival, My father happens to be running the blacksmith shop out there. I worked out at the show one weekend last year, while I thought the fair was impressive. I thought the food at Scarborough was much better...

Has anybody eaten at that little roadhouse cafe outside of the show? They offer a 64 oz. Steak that if you can eat it in less than an hour it's on the house. Heck I've got an appetite but that way beyond me...
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 06:25:00 PM
IP: uv1-31.ultravision.net

about ren faires--- yeah, I know there not realistic, but I don't know about you, but I for one enjoy the escape from reality-- i could use it a little more often
jenna
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 04:42:47 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

"Hiya kids, hiya, hiya, hiya" -- Don't forget the other clue: "You will put the spaghetti in your hair, you will, you will." No, it wasn't Binky. Any other guesses? :)

shogun raptor> You _prefer_ the long involved ones? But the whole point of the game is to make the connection in as few "degrees" as possible! o.O

Pistoff> The introduction to the first Callahan's Place book! *bounce*

T.J. Veil> I've never read that issue of Sandman -- good point about Renaissance Faires. Of course, these Faires are already ignoring historical accuracy in terms of sexist $h!t, racist $h!t, antisemitic $h!t, and so forth, they might as well ignore the _literal_ $h!t while they're at it....

*poofle*
Batya the Toon
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 04:26:44 PM
IP: s15h066.lab.qc.edu

Stephen> I'd get his autograph, but I'm not even sure I'm getting one for myself. It would be cool though, seeing how I have this painting I did that I've been collecting Trek star autographs on. I've got 15 on it right now including:

Rene Auberjonois, Majel Barret, Josh Clark, Roxanne Dawson, John Delancie, Johnathan Del Arco, Jame Doohan, Micheal Dorn, Walter Koenig, Chase Masterson, Colm Meaney,
Robert Picardo, George Takei, Nana Visitor, Grace Lee Whitney.

I've been collecting autographs on this thing since 92 and I've been to just about every convention to come through D-FW since then. I still have plenty of room on this thing so I'll be lugging it cons for a quite a while still
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 03:29:24 PM
IP: uv1-34.ultravision.net

Living in Texas>>
Well, I was born and raised in Oklahoma, but I got to Texas as fast as I could! My hubs and I did spend about 5 years in Las Cruces, NM, about 50 miles from the border which was... interesting. As a dark-haired, dark-eyed person, I sometimes was spoken to in Spanish (which I don't speak) and frequently got scrutinized by the Border Patrol. It was a whole new perspective...!
Spike
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 03:14:09 PM
IP: pppt13-81.ght.iadfw.net

RP WARNING!!!
**Ave Maria is unconscious as GB tries to revive her. For now, he has her head resting on his lap as he applies a wet cloth and prays with his rosary.

The other four scouts square off against four of the brides. Attila the Hun faces off against Darth Vernon Jordan, though his light sabre proves as powerful as Attila's battle axe.

Brigitte fights Moni-Ka and decides to light a cigar and flick the ashes onto Moni-Ka, causing her to hide her face, which is turning red. Bernadette and Gennifer battle, while Angelica squares off against Paula, Therese battles Kathleen, until they decide to use their transformation power and become the Catholic Schoolgirl Virgin Warriors. Moni-Ka then rolls her eyes and says, "This is pathetic. We're about to be taken out by the few Catholic schoolgirls who are still virgins."**
END RP for now!!

Ordell> I agree with your dissapointment about Animal Farm, though even in the animated version, Benjamin sees the pigs and walks off to what could eb expected to be a Revolution. I thought it was good, but you can't honestly expect it to be too great since Ted Turner is behind it :)

Here are the comparisons I drew:

Old Major=Marx
Farmer Jones=Romanovs
Pinkerton=United States (Bill and Hillary factor)
Frederick=Nazi Germany
The Crow=Russian Orthodox Church
Napoleon=Stalin
Snowball=Trotsky
Boxer=The People of Stalingrad
Squealer=Goebels
Puppies=Nazi and Communist youth groups

Those are the ones I remember right now. I can't think of any others. My Poli Sci teacher reviewed this book a few years ago an ddid a good review of it. You'd like this guy, too Aaron. Dr. McKee is a lot like PJ O'Rourke in personality and political views.

Kit and Aaron> Well, Dr. Wlaker wants us to understand teh graphs so we can function in Economics, but she prefers to discuss teh human fatcor and general human nature, making it Philosophy for non-bleeding-hearts :)

Homecoming> I went to them, but only as duty to my HS. Now, i wish I skipped most of them. It was a waste of my time in retrospect. I especially detest Prom since my prom date later dumps me the day before I graduate because I was too boring :(

Pogo> I figured you could make a nice bit of money as an Attorney for Disney. If I were you, I'd probably try to use my legal connections to form a niche in Orange County politics, but that is me :)

e-Bay> Kenna has actually made a lot of money buying products and selling them on e-Bay immediately afetr purchasing them.

Jenna> Ded Bob for President? LOL!! Better than Al the Tree :)

Janine and SJ> The main problem public schools face, IMO, is the NEA and the fact that the Department of Education get sthe money that should go IMMEDIATELY to the public schools. In DC, the schools should get about 8,500 a year for a student, but I wonder how much that goes to the classrooms. That's enough to send two kids to my High School for a year.

TJ> You're right that Adam and Eve apply to three major Religions, but CS Lewis was an Anglican two beads away from being a Catholic, so by default I would guess the stories are from a Christian point-of-view, more precisely, a High Church Anglican point-of-view, but that's just my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree with it.

Jenna> I haven't heard of Chas Williams, but that sounds like a good book.

Texans> Texas may be a whole different country, but Louisiana is it's own third-world nation with a former Government under indictment again :)

Gatherings in the South> How does a Gathering a New Orleans sound?

I'm off to my Econ class. Bye-bye


Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 02:51:09 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

TJ I agree with you on the 2001 comment and so does

Commander Coconut(Has an editorial in the Calender section the the newspaper)

The Rooms to go people

Arthur C Clarke

Jerry Seinfeld and

Slim Shady Himself EmenEm

Ok I have foun folks the biazzare little facotry that pumps out these teeny bopper bands. The putpour in the igrediants that include pansy's saccarine and other crap and out pops out another boy band IO was going to destroy it but then I caught wind of a bunch of 12 yearolds wiedlidng switchblades.

Renassaince festivels? they have one in Sarasota every year. My English class went since we were studying British Literature and my teacher told us the Truth about"The Play"

About Texas..I was born in Irving. moved to Orlando when I was three weeks old. Moved to Midland TX when my paretns were sepetrtated. Saw snow for the first time. Watched rescue crew rescue baby Jessica. Moved back to Orlando and Started jr high.

Although my other fellow Texans mya have listed thier faveorite reasons they Love TX here is another one

The Dr. Pepper Company is in Dallas!!!
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 02:06:08 PM
IP: ts005d22.orl-fl.concentric.net

Deuce> No, don't work for the Mouse House. Thought about it. Couldn't take the pay cut :P

GARG CEL ON EBAY, and it's a BEAUT. Goliath and Demona under the moon. Click my name.
Pogo
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 01:54:51 PM
IP: mail.dorseylaw.com

** Deuce walks in, carrying a Backstreet Boys CD whose edges have been carefully sharpened. He flings it like a Frisbee, and it decapitates both DC and Sli Sludge before embedding itself in the floor, where it melts into a puddle and evaporates. **

Finally found a use for those five pansy-asses. I am SO sick... just got over this goddamned flu, and now I've got the mother of all head colds. *sneezes and curses* Sounds like what you got, SJ.

Y'all know that Family Channel is showing (presumably unedited) Gargoyles Saturday afternoons now in Canada? I'm quite pleased with this... of course, with Family's history of shuffling shows around, I doubt it will last long where it is, if at all on the network. o_O

Mandolin> ["his German song, "Who the F*** is Alice," which is now stuck in my head."] *L* Sorry about that. Alice was the first girl's name that came to my head that _didn't_ belong to somebody I knew. No Lewis Carroll connections, I'm afraid.

Coyore re: eBay> You lucky, lucky bastard. :-) Congratulations; what are you going to do with it?

School dances: Suck, suck, suck. Sluuuurrp, they suck. I stay away from them as much as possible, although I am going to a youth rally/dance a couple weekends from now—church dances always seem to be more charged, for some reason.

Pogo> Are you _sure_ you don't work for Disney? That sounds way too real.... :-)

Well, better get to my email... there's somebody who deserves a very, VERY long letter....

** Deuce leaves **
Deuce - [achoo@curtain.cjb.net]
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 01:25:45 PM
IP: edtn001958.hs.telusplanet.net

TJ> Yeah, the cuts bother me too. All I can imagine a Disney spokesperson saying is something like, "Of course the unedited shows are great -- we obviously think so or we'd never have aired them -- but, in putting together Toon Disney, we're trying to compete with Nick in the sense of providing 'absolutely no worries' shows suitable for the very, very youngest viewers. So even though the shows are great, they may be a little rough for the tots."

Or something like that. <grump> Personally I want to respond, "Well, then just don't cut it. Run it later in the schedule."
Pogo
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 12:51:35 PM
IP: mail.dorseylaw.com

Stormy>Actually, I meant the Hitman/Preacher pic. But the mutant pokemon are cool too.

Coyote> Congratulations on getting that sign.

Pistoff> A drunk and his money are soon parted, eh? I'll have to try that.

Jenna> Thanks for the link. I'm exploring it right now.

Later.

Aaron wanders off, whistling the theme to Braveheart.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 12:15:25 PM
IP: ppp-33.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

SKIPPY - Ethan Phillips is going to be there?!? Can you PLEASE get his autograph? Aside from Armin Shimerman (Quark), Jeri Ryan (7of9), and the guy that played Liquidator Brunt/Weyoon, I've been trying to get a autograph from Ethan for the longest time! (It's so cool to see one of the former stars of "Benson" get work these days... the other being Rene Auberjonis(?), who did play Odo on DS9)
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 11:08:53 AM
IP: m109.ieway.com

Jannie-- Yes, Ded Bob was there -- and he's running for president!!!--*L* he's got my vote!! heehee!

TJ veil- good comments. Still the mentioning of Adam/Eve coupled with the death and ressurrection of a perfect character really rings Christian doctrine with me- even as a 4th grader I got it. Sorry, but that's my stance on it...

Pist off-- liked your drunkard story!! Yeah, I guess they would be much more easily parted with their $ than when there sober- and he did tell you to keep the change --:P I would have!!!

Coyote- good lookin sign!! Yeah, I'm addict for ebay- my Mike used to say "why you look at that stuff" until I introduced him to the wonders of online bidding!! NOw he can;t get off it either! :P

Aaron -- I don't know about plans for Notre dame- but look at this link under Churches and abby's you may find something there- It's Castles on the Web.
jenna
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:32:30 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Phew...I guess I can put these hideous morning shifts at the computer lab to good use. My Art Page is FINALLY in functioning order, though I still need to re-do the Guest Artists page. *klick*

COYOTE: Ooooh, I'd be jealous if I wasn't so happy for ya. That's really neat.

I guess Disney did some promoting of Gargoyles after all ;-)

Say...that reminds me...it's only a few weeks until the fifth anniversary of Gargoyles first airing on TV. Hard to believe it's been five years already. October 1994...I was in Grade 12, I'd just gotten my glider pilot's license...was ten months away from a power pilot license and a full year from a driver's license...whoa. Let's Do The Time Warp Again.
Stormy - [<--done at last...]
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 09:08:13 AM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Sevarius Jr. > thank you for the update and info. Geesh! Well, that would explain all of the reruns then... It's a great show and I will watch my TV guide for the return. :)
Jannie
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:34:10 AM
IP: 196-198.c.esc4.net

*Sorry for the double post*

Delphi,your sick to!?!,I hope you feel better soon*HUG*

Bye!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:30:12 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Hi all!!

Deuce:Good song.

Mandolin:Like the lyrics to Alice... but the name brought up an unfortunate association with this German song, "Who the F*** is Alice," which is now stuck in my head. :)>>Hey I remember that song "Alice,ALICE Who the F*** is Alice!",Dammit!,it's stuck in MY head now.<G>

Deuce/SJ/Coyote:Get well soon guy's ya' hear!:)

Coyote:Clicky on my name link to see what I just bought for $15.51.>>O-o you bought a Gargoyles bus sign!...KEWL!!:)

Pistoff:click my name for the chance to kill N-Synch. Be careful, though--these guys are such wussies, the folks at Assassin had to arm them just to give them a fighting chance. ;)>>YES!!!,Thanks Pissy:),I was playing around with that for half an hour,I loved it!>:)

B.G:Hello B.G,welcome to our hideaway:)as for weather your doing things right,observation is always a good teacher,look at how the others in this room make there replys and emulate it.(The best way is to make all your replys in one big post)

O_o The average intelligence of the planet remains constant, but the population continues to increase...>>Tell me about it:/,just last week I saw this guy almost beat up his own mother(He was being really abusive and swearing a blue streak) because he had to foot the bill for the shopping,and people in RL wonder why I'm so cynical:(

Good night all!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:26:41 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Good Morn
Pistoff>>thanks for the well wishs, I am feeling better, now if my nose would just stop being stuffed up.

here's some Clever Signs someone compiled and email me>>>>

In the front yard of a funeral home,
"Drive carefully, we'll wait."

On an electrician's truck,
"Let us remove your shorts."

Outside a radiator repair shop,
"Best place in town to take a leak."

In a nonsmoking area,
If we see you smoking, we will assume you are
on fire and take appropriate action."

Toon Disney has cut Gargoyles??? It was listed on our DSS program as being 1 hour earlier last night, but we didn't actually check to see if it was really showing.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:24:13 AM
IP: 216.190.241.131

Jannie: They've pulled Starship Troopers from syndication (and from Sci-Fi) until all of the episodes are completed. Once production has finally come to a close, we'll be seeing the show again, but it may be a while.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:12:20 AM
IP: 129.174.56.150

Coyote> *grins* welcome to Ebay! ;) I'm addicted to that place! *L* I saw your bid and thought that was you - I have a bid on another one, but it doesn't come up until later. I wouldn't bid against you (or at least I *thought* it was you at the time) I've gotten some really cool Gargoyle stuff this past week - *whispers* some of it's for Denis too ;) They also have nifty things in other categories =) Good luck on your future biddings *smiles*


Has anyone noticed that Starship Troopers is off the air already? bummer! At least my cable server has removed it - is this the case elsewhere??

Jenna> glad to hear you had such a great time at Ren Fest! :) I didn't make it this past weekend - but am going this upcoming weekend. I didn't realize it was the anniversary, so I'm excited to see what all they are doing :) Was Bob there? (The guy walking around with the skelton puppet that is so hilarious) Sometimes he doesn't show up out there and I'm always disappointed. He makes me go into convulsions with laughter... heh, just like when Pistoff tells me his jokes and stories over the phone... *L*
Jannie
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 08:07:44 AM
IP: 196-198.c.esc4.net

Xanathar> <<this customer came up to me at work and asked me to explain the difference between short and long matches>> O_o The average intelligence of the planet remains constant, but the population continues to increase...

Cherry Blossom> <<is this a new movie that is out or something?>> Yes, a made-for-TV special. It'll be on Wednesday at 8:00 PM on TNT.

Deuce> Kewl song. ^_^

Aaron> <<I showed a friend of mine Darth Pikachu, and now he wants to make a shirt out of it. Thanks again.>> Kewl! And you're welcome. ^_^

Mandi> <<That's almost as bad as the Star Wars fanatic who calls the Toys R' Us back at home every other day and rambles for half an hour at whoever's stuck at Customer Service.>> Ack...oh well, the virus will be done soon...

Zath> <<You know things are getting out of hand when people are running up and down the hall throwing flour at each other>> All things considered, are you SURE it was flour...? <<one school portrayed Oberon as a surfer guy with long blond hair, a tie-dyed shirt, flip-flops, and spider webs in his armpits...>> Did he happen to be accompanied by a Great Dane and have a constant case of the munchies? :P

Ordell> THAT's the ending to the book...?! Glad I saw the movie...

Christine> <<All you dreamers and benevolent types out there ... boy, do I feel more evil than ever!>> <hehehe> Wonderful feeling, no? >:) Although us minstrel-dreamers can be fairly evil too; you should see the reasonably disturbing lyrics I wrote for Evil Tidings (the kewl MID file I uncovered a while back)...

Stormy> I love these mutant Pokemon. Maybe next time we could see a mutated Flareon from the Marine Corps or something? <G>

SJ> <<To be perfectly gross, I'm coughing and sneezing up things I didn't even knew existed outside of my dad's laboratory.>> ACK! That sounds hideous! [Wilek shoves a sandblaster up Sli Sludge's <censored>.]

Coyote> VERY kewl Gargs sign thingie. It'll look great on your roof. <G>

Pistoff> <<LMAO! I'll have to remember that one.>> <bows> Glad to be of service. :D

Fire Storm> <<I have been hit by cars a few times. And not one single time I was actually IN a car. Sprained wrist and shaken nerves were the worst of my injuries. OH YEAH! Somthing I just rememberd! A few years ago I was delivering papers at 2am and I saw a somthing in the middle of the street, dark and large, moving towards me. During this time Free Press delievery guys were targets. So I point my flashlight at the car and saw that it was a black car. Driving without any lights on. at 2am. ...then the cops turned on thier headlights and drove past me.>> :O Did you get their license plate number? Because I'm almost sure they can be punished for that.

BG> <<I'm new here so PLEASE somebody let me know if I'm doing this right.>> You're doing well so far. (Although it's not like we grade these things. <G>)

TJ Veil> <<Oh, and someone asked about using one of my quotes in one of their stories. Feel free to. I take most of them from some other source anyway ;)>> That was me, and thanks! :D <<"The first thing that's wrong with this place is there's no $h!t. I mean, that's the thing about the past people forget. All the $h!t. Animal $h!t. People $h!t. Cow $h!t. Horse $h!t. You waded through the stuff... You should spray 'em all with $h!t as they come through the gates...">> ROFLMTO!
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 06:39:08 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

MC2 Universe getting the boot> I have come to the conclusion that Marvel's top brass has attention deffict dissorder. They seem to throw all their energy into these new projects like M2 (remember how many 2099 books their were?) But all too quickly drop them once some other shiny new idea pops into their heads.

What exactly are they expecting from their books? Largest sales records getting broken every month? Does DC go through books like this?(I really don't know since I don't read their stuff)

****CONVENTION MENTION****
For all you D/FW folks, the Sci-Fi Expo is coming back on the 23-24 to Plano with Ethan Phillips (Voyager's Neelix) plus Silas Carson and Jerome Blake (the Nimodian Viceroys and two of the Jedi Councilors)

Another thing you might be interseted in that day is the USS Joshua's annual Halloween party. It's being held at the Officer's Club at the American Armed Forces Exhange Service Building (AAFES) off of Loop 12/ Walton Walker Blvd in Dallas. I include this because the Joshua has offered an open invitation to the Sci-Fi Expo guests to come party with them after the convention so it might be interesting to come on out. Tickets for the event are $12 If you want more info, e-mail me. My name link gives you the Expo site...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 03:11:31 AM
IP: uv1-47.ultravision.net

Edited Gargoyles: While I don't get Toon Disney, I really don't understand why they edit some shows, Gargoyles included. For example, the removal of the ep Deadly Force. I feel that this was one of the best first season episodes. Cutting it removes characterization done on Broadway, as well as the reason why Elisa is wounded in future episodes. I did notice (when Disney plays Gargs) that they did not cut anything out of the 'Previously on Gargoyles' part that included this ep. Also, they may have removed it because it dealt with one of the main characters getting shot. However, the point of this episode was gun control. And I've also noticed that shows aimed at kids (such as Power Rangers) never show blood. What are we trying to teach our kids, that they can fight each other and it doesn't hurt? Argh. I didn't start this intending to rant, but censorship tends to really bother me.

Oh, and someone asked about using one of my quotes in one of their stories. Feel free to. I take most of them from some other source anyway ;)

Animal Farm: I only watched about the first half of it. I enjoyed it, but there was another show I really wanted to see. And it's being replayed on Wednesday evening for those of you who wondered.

Wilek: Moby Dick was made by USA network. But Patrick Stewart does seem to be in alot of Made-for-TV movies lately. He has great talent and I'm glad to see someone making use of it.

Blue Caeru: I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same guy who voiced Jason Canmore. The great thing about cartoons is that we don't have to see what the voice actors look like to enjoy it.

Shogun: Actually, in the original cartoon, he did reveal his identity to MJ. It was at the end of the episode 'The Haunting of Mary Jane Watson' (I'm pretty sure that's the title) and the scene carried over to the next episode, which I dont know the name of, but I'm pretty sure it was the one with the army of pseudo-Lizards.

jenna: Not to beat a dead horse even deader, but Christianity isn't the only religion in which the Adam and Eve story appears. And the Renaisance festeval sounds like a lot of fun. But every time I think of one, I can't help but think of the issue of 'The Sandman' where a 700 year old man goes to a Renaisance festival and starts going on about how its nothing like the real middle ages. ("The first thing that's wrong with this place is there's no $h!t. I mean, that's the thing about the past people forget. All the $h!t. Animal $h!t. People $h!t. Cow $h!t. Horse $h!t. You waded through the stuff... You should spray 'em all with $h!t as they come through the gates..."

Mandolin: <<for some bizarre reason he loved my answer on the Beowulf question that was half the test grade.>>It could be that he asked that question hoping someone would understand the story and write what you did. Glad you did well on the test.

SJ: They're canning Wild Thing and Fantastic Five? I'm disappointed. While Wild Thing didn't really catch my eye, the Fantastic Five was pretty good. But I don't see Spider-Girl being stopped anytime soon. It's currently the best Spider-title, although the others have been improving. I really liked the Chameleon thread in Webspinners, and some of the other recent stories have been good. I'm really looking forward to the next Amazing A-M and Peter Parker S-M which (Unless they changed plans) will both be double sized issues featuring the Sinister Six, with their newest member being Venom.

Kingdomality: I got the Dreamer-Minsterel response.

And finally, to all the milooniums, a Thought of the Day:
"The millenium doesn't even start until 2001."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 02:54:03 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Well everyone is starting out slow this week. I don't have much to say myself except...DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO WRITE A SIX TO TEN MINUTE SPEECH!!!!!

Well that's all I have for now.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 02:16:15 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Cherry Blossom: I went to Parochial School. Homecoming and proms just didn't carry the same weight in an all boys' school, I guess. Sure, people went to the dances and stuff, but I never really felt much need to meet perfect strangers from the all-girl schools that were invited to these things. On top of that, my class had a lot of heavy drinkers in the party crowds. They weren't a whole lot of fun, so I like to rationalize to myself that I didn't miss much. :) Still, I regret now that I never got to show off my Liz-chan at a dance like that. She certainly would've turned some heads. * sighs wistfully * :)

Coyote: Congratulations on the auction win. :)

Zath: My friend Mark Bhenke, he's a research chemist. I saw one of the marks on his hand … *shudders* It ATE through the LAB GLOVES! He said something about pouring something that sounded like Hydrogen-bromide in the glove. The burn was ugly though.

Pistoff: You know, your customers always make me feel better about my customers. :) I love people who don't understand that if I say "no we don't have it" it means "no we don't have it, no I won't invent it, and no you don't get to carry it out of here." The inherent danger with doing anything nice for any of your customers is that @$$ hole customers will demand the same service. I hate that. I do extra stuff for my regulars, and they tip me, or at least no not to piss me off. Superior than requisite service is not an entitlement, it is a privilege few people are willing to actually earn.

My prayers for all who are sick today.

You know, sometimes I fear, very much so, that I'm not going to come out of college with any actual marketable skills. *shakes his head* I dunno. I'd probably make a better clergyman or philosopher than anything else in this world. *Shrugs* But philosophy doesn't pay much, and the Lord has seen fit to entrust me to a path of marriage. I guess I'll just have to settle for managing an IS department and pretending I know what's going on. :)

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 02:05:34 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Uhmm...hi! I'm new here so PLEASE somebody let me know if I'm doing this right.
B.G
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 01:24:30 AM
IP: nltc-57-87.nltc.net

Hit by cars: Yeah, I have been hit by cars a few times. And not one single time I was actually IN a car. Sprained wrist and shaken nerves were the worst of my injuries.
OH YEAH! Somthing I just rememberd! A few years ago I was delivering papers at 2am and I saw a somthing in the middle of the street, dark and large, moving towards me. During this time Free Press delievery guys were targets. So I point my flashlight at the car and saw that it was a black car. Driving without any lights on. at 2am.
...then the cops turned on thier headlights and drove past me.
If I was in my car, I would NOT have seen them, even with my headlights on. Of all the people out there, THEY should have thier lights on. I know they were probally looking for someone suspicious, and it was probally me.
If I didn't see that car, they would have hit me!

Lady Mystic: Yes, she is alive and extremely busy. When she is able to she will post. Until then you have ME to keep you company! :)

Rennisannce Festival: We missed it because a customer wants a major miracle done to his torn-ripped-crumpled up and sat on photos. At first, he wanted the two photos done in a week. NO FRIGGING WAY! They will be done this week, though (thank Oberon.)
LM is doing such a wonderful job on the photos, though! <Smiles>
I know I have mentioned these photos in all the CR's, and if they allow us to (They had better as hell) use them for our portfolio, we will show you all!
BTW... LM's eyes are burning from staring at the screen too long. Does anyone know how to either stop that or to make it better for her?

LONG rant from both LM and myself when these photos are done!
AND THEY HAD BETTER AS HELL PAY!

Zath: Phew! I am glad it wasn't hydrofloric!
(For those of you non-chemistry people, not only is hydrofloric acid nearly the strongest acid know to man, it also has the nasty tendancy to cause MAJOR damage to the human circulatory and nervous system, usually resulting in death unless medical attention can be applied ASAP!)

JackaL: Hey, could I get some feedback from you (about the Future Tense CD-ROM) that I can use on my feedback page? Thanx

Drunks: Man, I KNOW I have some good ones, but I can't remember them!
ALTHOUGH when I call my little sister, she usually sounds stoned or drunk.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 5, 1999 01:22:46 AM
IP: t2-1.visitus.net

Dammit!! That link didn't work. Try this one...
Pissy
Monday, October 4, 1999 11:40:10 PM
IP: wire-20.koalas.com

Jessie: Oh, I'm not worried about the pictures. They'll get done when they get done. :) I figured you were busy with work or school or whatever (I know what it's like, believe me--I racked up another 11 hours today...). Sorry to hear you were so sick, though. I hope you're feeling better now. :)

Wilek: <the end of the genepool that needed a little more chlorine> LMAO! I'll have to remember that one. Actually, since I've been doing this for five years, I'm not sure why I haven't flipped out and butchered somebody. Things like the Joyride helps me vent in a safe way, though. *g*

Toon Disney canning Gargs: It had to happen sooner or later. An intelligent animated show just can't compete with all the childish trash that the number-crunchers use to push their toys on parents who think their kids need another Power Ranger action figure. We can only hope that Gargs is picked up by the Cartoon Network--which will most likely air the episodes without the moronic edits...and they should even show "Deadly Force," as well. :)

Xanathar: <Ugh!! oh boy!!,that sorta' remindes me of the time this customer came up to me at work and asked me to explain the difference between short and long matches>:(> Oh, dear god. That reminds me--last week, I had to explain to a customer...several times...what a 'one-topping' pizza is. :O

Delphi: Ack! You've been sick, too? It's really getting around. Hope you're feeling better now. :)

Blue Caeru: THAT'S who voiced Jason Canmore?! I thought he sounded slightly familiar...but I just couldn't place the voice. But...I NEVER would've guessed.... O_o

Jenna: I'm glad the situation at work has settled down, and that you had such a good time at the festival. Really sounded like you needed it. :) And I agree about drunk people...though, on the positive side, you can get a drunk guy to give you all of his money. Quite often they get rather generous when they're plastered. :) One time I delivered to this drunk grouch in a motel room, the pizza was something like $11, and he gave me a twenty and snarled, "Keep the change!" Then he slammed the door in my face. I just smiled and said, "Okay." One way you can look at it--if you have all his money, he can't buy any more booze for a while. :)

Deuce: Welcome back! Sorry you've been sick, too. Get well soon. :)

Spacebabie: Actually, most of my customers have mental conditions of one kind or another...usually it's just plain stupidity, but there are others who are in serious need of medication.... o_O

Mandolin: (re: Star Wars fanatic) Ye gods! That must've been...educational. ;) Glad you didn't have to be exposed to that yourself, though.

SOROW: Yeah, the cover art is excellent on that deck of cards. Very high quality. It's just the idea of gargs on skateboards that tripped me out...though they certainly can ride those if they want to. *g*

Zath: Acid burns? Ack! I hope it wasn't too bad. They should give you gloves when you're dealing with stuff that can peel the skin right off your hands. I almost had a similar experience, a couple years ago. I was gonna head off to my writing class at the college, but my truck's battery was dead. Tried jumpstarting it, and it wouldn't work. Finally I just walked down to the Les Schwab shop and got a new battery, then walked back...uphill (no, not both ways, heheheh). I took the old battery out and put the new one in, and made it to my class only half an hour late...but I noticed later that I must've gotten acid on my hands and then wiped them on my pants, because my pants were disintigrating! Nothing happened to my hands, but my jeans were a total loss.... *L*

As for the partiers in your apartment building...I used to live next to somebody like that...one next door and one above my apt. They would run up and down the stairs all night, every night, laughing and yelling and playing loud music. That was back when I delivered newspapers at 4:00 every morning, and I needed my damn sleep. I was only getting about 3 hours a night, as it was. I kept complaining to the landlord, and he ended up kicking them out. :D

Christine: Glad to hear you've got your computer fixed. :) I'll send another copy of the revised "Vacuum Riders" later on, if I have a spare moment, in case the one I sent went poof. ;)

JackaL: Good point about private and public schools. Reminds me of a quote from Spider Robinson, which I'll put at the end of my post. :) Also... <what's the worst that can happen? Jesus Christ greets us along side Dick Clark?!> LMAO!!

Hmm...y'know...that thing about Dick Clark got me to thinking...it would've been fun if he could've guest-starred on Highlander. It would've explained a lot.... *g*

SJ: ACK!! Not you, too?! **Grabs Sludge, shoves a gaffing hook down his throat, twists it a couple of times, then pulls, turning him inside out.** Get well soon, bud. :)

Coyote: Oh yeah, stoners are among the worst. Especially in my line of work, because...well, y'know what happens when a guy smokes a roach. *g* And of course, we're the ones they call when the munchies hit.... ;) And congrats on winning the auction! That's a nifty little item. :D

And now, in honor of the Backstreet Boys and N-Synch and other pre-fab bands, click my name for the chance to kill N-Synch. Be careful, though--these guys are such wussies, the folks at Assassin had to arm them just to give them a fighting chance. ;)

And finally, the quote I promised...

"In 1971, after seven years in college, with that Magic Piece of Paper clutched triumphantly in my fist, the best job I was able to get was night watchman on a sewer project in Babylon, New York--guarding a hole in the ground to prevent anyone from stealing it. God bless the American educational system." --Spider Robinson
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 11:36:43 PM
IP: wire-20.koalas.com

**takes eyes off of eBay**

Apologies for the delayed double-post, but I won the item in question. Clicky on my name link to see what I just bought for $15.51.

**fixates once more**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, October 4, 1999 11:20:31 PM
IP: modem36.i-is.com

**enters the room, switching out the candles but not sniffling as much as before**

I'm feeling a little better than I was before. Sli's gonna get off for tonight from me, at least. :)

**nervously checks eBay** Pardon me, I'm tracking an auction. Just got an eBay account this evening and am about an hour away from having the winning bid on a particular Garg-related item ... :)

Animal Farm: Didn't watch it so much as listen ... and while the ending was kind of cruel to the novel, everything else was there, especially the allegorical caricatures of the Soviet figures (Old Major/Marx, Snowball/Lenin, Boxer/Trotsky, Napoleon/Stalin ... I guess that would make Jessie into Alexander Solzhenitsyn (sp??)).

Pissy: Man, that drunk sounds bad. Though I've dealt with my fair share of drunks, both over the phone and face to face ... and that's nothing compared to the *stoners.* Woo boy, you get one reefer in you then try working on your car, next thing you know they're calling up asking how to remove the spark plug wires from the eyeballs of their buddy who just got electrocuted because they wanted a buzz. :P (of course, that hasn't happened yet, but I'm waitin'. :)

Newcomers: Wilkommen! Abandon all sanity, all those who enter here. :)

Cherry Blossom, re: homecoming: I personally dislike my memories of high school homecoming dances.

Spacebabie, re: college football: You think you've got it bad because Florida lost? Imagine being the only Michigan State fan in a workplace where most of the others *bleed* maize and blue, *especially* the week before the annual Michigan-Michigan State game. I'm just waitin' to LAUGH IN THEIR FACES when MSU kicks the living CRAP outta Michigan on Saturday!!! **evil grin**

**composes self**

Sorry. Got a little carried away there.

**checks eBay** Still ahead! WOOHOO!!!

Mandi: Thanks for the well wishes.

SJ, re: MC2: Man, they're cancelling "Wild Thing??" Just goes to show, the curse of Ron Lim strikes again ... (IIRC Lim was the last artist on "Sovereign Seven" before its untimely demise, too)

**checks eBay again** Under 45 minutes ... unless a miracle occurs, it's gonna be MINE!! Yee-haw! (no matter what happens, after the auction expires I'll reveal what it is I bid on.)

**sits back in the massage chair, using one eye to fixate on the candle and the other to track eBay.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
"Go right through for MSU, Watch the points keep growing ..."
Monday, October 4, 1999 10:32:03 PM
IP: modem36.i-is.com

SCOTT ISKOW - You wrote: [I agree that Tankorr is Rhynox. I strongly believe that Thrust is Silverbolt.]

Until a few minutes ago, I would have pushed the theory that two of the three Vehicon generals weren't Rhinox and Silverbolt. But then I went to the FoxKids website and took a look at the synopsis for this Saturday's BM episode. It is the same as the one listed in the "fake" episode guide. So now I am sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that the episode guide that Bob Skir declared false is now true. Which means that according to that episode guide:

**BM SPOILER SPACE**

like you already posted Blackarachnia and Thrust discover a fatal attraction for one another as mentioned in the synopsis for Episode 7. So Thrust is most probably Silverbolt.

(And if he was going to be any of the Generals, Thrust would seem to fit the most. Jetstorm is just too different personality wise from Silverbolt and Tankorr is beyond a complete personality departure for Silverbolt. So that only leaves Thrust.)

I'm really not sure how to take it if this is true. It's not a horrible development and it has a lot of potential in it but still it's basically a role reversal from what Silverbolt and Blackarachnia went through in the 2nd season of BW. And I was hoping that Silverbolt would appear as Silverbolt rather than as someone else. Still, as long as the relationship between the two characters is a major plot point and this isn't used to dismiss it, I'll probably be happy.

**END BM SPOILERS**


SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED - It wasn't so bad but there were just too many leaps in logic in order to get Peter to the Counter-Earth. Not to mention the fact that there is no explination of how everything got in order from the end of the last series. (I've heard that this series is in continuity with the old series.) I did enjoy the Counter-Earth portions and the Knights of Wundagore. But it probably would have been a better idea to use the actual Spider-Man 2099 and not Peter Parker. I'll give the show a few more episodes before I condemn or praise it. For now, it's got too many plot holes for my taste. (What about Peter's responsibility to MJ and Aunt May is the major thing that stood out in my mind. Plus how is it that Spider-man as a wanted man is allowed to take off in a multi-million dollar shuttle when all that's needed to keep him on the ground is to flip some switches in the mission control?)


SEVARIUS JR - I heard about the cancellations of F5 and Wild Thing. I just don't understand why it's being cancelled so fast. Those two books started out pretty strong in sales on the first issue and suddenly they are cancelled by #5. That's no time whatsoever to build an audience or even to judge the existing sales since the first 3 issues are a result of the guesses comic shop owners are making on how much they think the book will sell rather than actual sales of the book. What could have been the reason for these cancellations? After all these books were created as a result of a fan vote. People voted on what concept they wanted to see made into an MC2 book with F5 and Wild Thing getting the most votes. Why cancel it so quickly?

(I'm not suprised that Spider-Girl is holding on although if the line has really gotten the axe completely then I wonder how much longer it'll keep going. It's a pity really. Spider-Girl is the best Spider-book Marvel is putting out at the moment and F5 is a pretty good read. I really hope that there is still some way for this line to be salvaged. Maybe F5 and Wild Thing could be merged into some sort of 48 page MC2 anthology book?)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, October 4, 1999 10:27:37 PM
IP: 12.new-york-11-12rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Ugh, I can't say much in here. Why? I am yet the next casualty in the neverending war with Sli Sludge. Yep, I'm sick, sick as a dog, with what appears to be a massive cold. To be perfectly gross, I'm coughing and sneezing up things I didn't even knew existed outside of my dad's laboratory. Somebody kill him (Sludge) for me, I don't have the strength.
Did I mention I also have to study for 2 big tests this week? Greeeeeeeeat time to be sick, huh?

Airwalker: You're the one in here who likes the MC2 line, right? Word out now is that they're canceling most of the line. Fantastic Five and Wild Thing are supposed to be done as of issue 5, with Spider-Girl still being produced....as of now. No word as to why they're giving the books the axe yet.

Jewel and any other Neil Gaiman fans: The folks over at Another Universe did an interview with him recently, talking about his adaptation of Princess Mononoke and his return to the world of Sandman with the forthcoming "Dream Hunters". Click on my name to go to the interview.

Mambo no.5: This song is everything I find wrong with the music industry. I rank it alongside the dancing monkeys as That Horror Which Drains All Life From My Soul.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 10:03:51 PM
IP: 207-172-52-104.s104.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Batya> I appreciate the editing, but I prefer to do these long and involved ones
shogun raptor
Monday, October 4, 1999 09:22:37 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

KINGDOMALITY: I'm a Prime Minister. Dylan Blacquiere's a Dreamer-Minstrel. Ah well....every ruler needs a minstrel ;-)

AARON: Glad you liked my Airvee...here's another mutant pokemon. (Number significance: Airvee #895--895 was my home squadron. #323 is Dylan's old sea cadet corps.)

Click my name to see the horror that results from a pokemon exposed to the sea cadet program...
Stormy - [<--Vaporeon evolves...]
Monday, October 4, 1999 08:46:23 PM
IP: pc18.huron.uwo.ca

Hey everyone!
I seen something about acid..., I'm just gonna say it's great! :o)
About schools- If it was legal I would say that no one should go. Public schools will kill you, private schools produce people like Marilyn Manson and me... so ya know...., both have there ups and downs... I would say I've gotten really no GOOD education in any school, but that's jus the state of Ga.

Sorow- HUGS to you too!!!! YaY!!!! And nevermind what anyone says..., I'm really a good person, ya don't need to stay away from me!! :o)

Mombo no.5- I hated it at frist, but I'm starton to dig it kinda!!!

Y2K (end of the world)- WE ALL GONNA DIE!!! F**k it I don't care what happens..., I mean really..., what's the worst that can happen? Jesus Christ greets us along side Dick Clark?! I know people who are mad crazy about the new year..., there's no need in that, things will be fine even if something does happen. Nevermind, I forgot my point in sayin this.... duhh....

::Takes offense to drunk comments:: Hmmppphhhh...
JackaL - [Jackal1127@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 08:22:43 PM
IP: spider-we051.proxy.aol.com

I'm back! Finally! Computer seems to be working now. Though we may have lost about a week's worth of e-mail. So if anyone doesn't hear from me soon and thinks they oughtta, drop me another line because your message might have been devoured. :(

Kingdomality > glad people had fun with this! All you dreamers and benevolent types out there ... boy, do I feel more evil than ever! ; )

Stephen > aww, sorry to hear it!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 08:10:18 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

****REVIEW OF ANIMAL FARM****
My God, this movie was truely and uterlly awful. To all those that liked it and haven't read the book, read it. It's only about 100 pages, and it's ALOT better. I was so disapointed, considering I've been waiting over a year for this. I couldn't believe how much they changed and took out....including the ending. The book is VERY over ending, with Jesse and some of the others looking into the house and seeing Napoleon acting like a human. None of them could tell him and the humans apart. They added an actual ending in the movie, though it was mimicing the Soviet Union. The book was made to mimic Stalin (Napoleon) and that other guy who's name escapes me (Snowball, somebody help me with this).....the movie's ending just added what had happed to the Soviet Union now, and I honestly think they shouldn't of done that. Again, if you missed it, read the book, it 100 times better and one of the greatest stories ever written.

Ordell - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Monday, October 4, 1999 08:07:31 PM
IP: ppp-166.ode.cableone.net

Grrr!! Here is the link--
jenna
Monday, October 4, 1999 07:34:34 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-64.hstntx.swbell.net

Zath-- it's in Plattersville, TX-- here's the link

Oh, and I don't think I could handle seeing Oberon as a surfer dude...

to all those intrested-- here is the link to the TEXAS RENNISSANCE FESTIVAL


jenna
Monday, October 4, 1999 07:28:27 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-92-228.hstntx.swbell.net

Fire Storm> <<please tell me it wasn't hydro-floric acid>> Don't worry, it wasn't and if I ever find out we have to use it in lab, I'm skipping class. That stuff scares me. I was using nitric acid (12 molar I think) when I got splashed and the stuff that ended up on my pants was probably the 6 molar HCl.

Pistoff> <<I hope things improve soon.>> It could be worse. If all your stupid customers come to LA and move into my apartment building, then I'll start worrying (although, judging from some of the parties thrown down the hall, I think that drunk guy might already be visiting on the weekends : ) You know things are getting out of hand when people are running up and down the hall throwing flour at each other and you can smell the alcohol through 2 closed doors...).

Jessie Feff> <<My crowning achievement was "I Am Not A Liar (Horatio's Musical Retelling of the Elsinor Tragedy)," an eighteen verse parody of "We Didn't Start the Fire.">> I don't suppose you'd be willing to share that with us would you? It sounds interesting.

Wilek> <<Don't know how true it was to the book, since I've never even encountered it>> You're lucky. I had to read it in junior high, and after 2 weeks of completely over analyzing it and memorizing random quotes that had nothing to do with the plot, we had to watch the old cartoon version where only the pigs talked and all the other characters just grunted.

jenna> <<went to the Texas Rennisannce Festival,>> Just where is that? A lot of my friends mentioned it from time to time, but the only one in the area (and I use the term loosely) I ever saw advertised was some one day only thing in Corpus. There was a great one in PA I went to on occasion. <<a guy who was dressed as Oberon. He looked incredible. NOt at all what the garg's rendition of him was, sort of the Henry the 8th with gargatuan butterfly wings>> That sounds even freakier than the interpretation I saw one year at the junior high Shakespeare Festival where one school portrayed Oberon as a surfer guy with long blond hair, a tie-dyed shirt, flip-flops, and spider webs in his armpits...

ironwolf> <<how many poster are form Tx?>> I spent the past 2 years in Texas, but now I'm in California, so I've gone from the east coast to the gulf coast to the west coast. Personally, I think I'm making a better Californian than I did a Texan. Everyone in Victoria was just way too conservative for my tastes.

Mandolin> <<That's why I took Physics for my lab science here>> My problem is that I'm even worse at physics. Not only do I always forget all the formulas, but I get my fingers crunched by all the ball bearings and toy cars in lab.

Blue Caeru>> Don't hurt the procrastination Demon! If you kill it, who will keep me company at 4am while I doodle when I'm supposed to be doing homework? **sniffle** It's my friend... ; )

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 07:08:36 PM
IP: ppp-227-112.usc.edu

not to throw anymore fat on the fire, but I was searching Amazon.com and found this book title-- I may check it out:

Myth, Allegory, and Gospel:An interpretation of JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis, GK Chesterton, Chas Williams
by John Warwick Montgomery

Bethany House; Isbn: 087 1233584

My intrest is peaked because of the conversation in this room-- just thought I'd pass this tid bit along..
jenna
Monday, October 4, 1999 06:14:15 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

ANIMAL FARM > Well, It was pretty good, I guess, except for the last 10-15 minutes. Not every movie has to have a happy ending, dammit!
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 05:27:20 PM
IP: ctrts2-7.mrs.umn.edu

Freakin' slow room! What's up in here?

cherry blossom> My Homecoming is next weekend and I am totally buzzed about it. My two year crush is taking me! YEHAAAAAAAA!

Pistoff> I have that card set with the Trio on skateboards. The cover is awesome isn't it?
SOROW
Monday, October 4, 1999 04:53:40 PM
IP: dll2b106-10.splitrock.net

*Blue Caeru pops in again before she has to get back to studying*

Batya: <Hiya kids, hiya, hiya, hiya! (30-point reference.)> Um, was it Binky the Clown who said that?

Aaron: <Oswald was Jason?!? Great, now I have this vision of the Hunters playing pool in the rain, and forgetting where they parked their hovercraft.> *LOL*

Deuce: Glad you're still alive! <:-) Hope you can stop by again soon.

Jenna: Oh cool, I wish I had gone to the local Renaissance Fair. Glad to hear you enjoyed yourself and that the work problems have cleared up.

Cherry Blossom: High School Homecoming Dance... Hmm, I went to three of them. I embarrassed myself and became ill at the first one, felt okay the second time, and was rather bored at the last one. But I'm a real stick-in-the-mud who can't dance anyway, so I'm sure you'll have a great time. :-)

Zath: <Chemical burns> Eek, sorry to hear that! I am so glad I quit microbiology before I seriously injured myself in a chem lab - I'm a klutz in that environment! Plus last time I was surrounded by people who dropped things every other session. :-P>

Mandolin: <Gee, I think that Demon's been time-sharing between the two of us... want some help decimating it? **pulls out a Buffy-style arsenal of axes, crossbows, etc.**> *evil smile* Sure! But I won't have a chance to really finish him off till Wednesday or later - yet another exam tomorrow.

Texas Gargs Fans: With G2000 in Orlando, maybe we can get more Florida Gargs fans to come out of the woodwork. :-)

Blue Caeru
Monday, October 4, 1999 04:42:25 PM
IP: spider-wi041.proxy.aol.com

Iron> yup! *salutes the Texas flag* Native Texan - born in Dallas, now live in Spring - 26 miles north of Houston =)
Texas bred and raised *g* (except for the short time in Missouri & Kansas) but I've been blessed with returning to my home state! *smiles muchly*
Jannie
Monday, October 4, 1999 04:34:10 PM
IP: 168.171.196.241

Deuce> Aww. Hope you get better soon. Like the lyrics to Alice... but the name brought up an unfortunate association with this German song, "Who the F*** is Alice," which is now stuck in my head. :)

Batya> <<Hiya kids, hiya, hiya, hiya! (30-point reference.) >> Aggh! I KNOW I've heard this, and for the life of me I can't pull it out! I'm probably going to be smacking myself when you tell us what the ref is...

I missed Animal Farm too, but from the good reception it got I'm sure TNT will show it again. No worries.

BTW, if I requested that my Brit Lit prof be put on the Joyride... take him off RIGHT NOW. I somehow pulled a 94 on the exam... he gave it a 5 point curve, and for some bizarre reason he loved my answer on the Beowulf question that was half the test grade. Go figure. :)

Spider-Man Unlimited> Didn't watch it, a friend said it was cheesy, and now that SJ confirms that opinion, I'm not sorry I missed it...

Jenna> Ooh, the Texas Renaissance Festival sounds great... went to the MD RenFest a few weeks ago for Scottish Weekend, and while it's not as good as some, we got to follow the Rogues (a Scottish bagpipe band) around, I got a hat and a tape, and got to see "Shakespeare's Skum." *snerk* Next year, I'm going to try to go in costume... I had nothing on hand this time around.

Pistoff re: Drunk Bastard> Ow. That's almost as bad as the Star Wars fanatic who calls the Toys R' Us back at home every other day and rambles for half an hour at whoever's stuck at Customer Service. (I didn't work there, but my best friend did, and I got to hear lots of interesting stories...)

Zath> Chemical burns?? Yeeow! That's why I took Physics for my lab science here... the worst chemical burns I ever got were from a spilled bottle of Nair (long story how), so I can't imagine how much that must hurt.

Coyote> You get better too, dammit! :) Sorry, it's just that everyone around here's getting sick too, and I feel terrible seeing my friends miserable... but I've been avoiding sick friends like the plague since I just don't want to be sick during rehearsals this year and try to do a British accent around a head cold. :)

Blue Caeru> Gee, I think that Demon's been time-sharing between the two of us... want some help decimating it? **pulls out a Buffy-style arsenal of axes, crossbows, etc.**

Anyway... I do need to write up a response paper tonight. I've got to stop writing all my response papers in the morning before the class when they're due...
Mandolin
Monday, October 4, 1999 04:14:25 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Whoops, almost forgot. I pestered the local Disney store until they coughed up a phone number for direct orders from Disney. For those hard to find items, call (407) 363-6200. I haven't tried them yet, (need money first) but I'll let you know how it goes when I do.

Later.




Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, October 4, 1999 03:43:33 PM
IP: ppp-87.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

ironwolf-- reg. "texas breeds good taste" In her thickest texas drawl jenna yells---Yeeeeeehaaaaaaa!!!! amen to that brother!!! :P
jenna
houston, texas, usa
Monday, October 4, 1999 03:23:29 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

playboy> did ya know that james bond got his start in playboy. Not only are the stories great, but listen up all you writers the pay is too.

Ok rook sis and bros i got a favor. my area will not play any beast war eps past the em gun. now if some one has the last few eps on tape i would pay a resonable price for them. i really want to know what happened on the show.

new topic>in trying to catch up on the room i noticed something. how many poster are form Tx? yea i live in Tn now but spent the first 16 years of my life in a little town south of houston called friendswood. Now if i didn't go crossed eyed what a quater of the room come form tx? If just comfirms what i belived that Tx breeds good taste.
ironwolf - [cag16@bellsouth.net]
Monday, October 4, 1999 03:15:32 PM
IP: host-209-214-40-230.cha.bellsouth.net

Hiya kids, hiya, hiya, hiya! (30-point reference.)

Last week leftovers:
Toku> Quote's yours? Nicely worded. Good balance. May I use it? Attributed of course?

Kitania> Thanks! and yes, I do plan to get back to my archetype postings ... someday ... real soon now .... o.O

Blue Caeru> Thanks to you too! :) And okay, maybe some of the pics are a little more complex than "sketches"... :)

Jessie Feff> Constance Cochran and I already wrote "Oberon's Isle" to the same tune -- click my name to see it. :) (Good for a spontaneous filkbit, though!)

This week's stuff:

Must go see Princess Mononoke. Must go see Princess Mononoke. Must go see Princess Mononoke. Must go see Princess Mononoke. Must go see Princess Mononoke.
Oh god...can I wait another twenty-four days?

Shogun Raptor> Six Degrees of Gargoyles? I can shorten yours a bit.... :)
Yogi Bear to gargoyles...GO
0. Boo Boo was voiced by John Kricfalusi...
1. Who also creadted and did Ren & stimpy with Billy West....
2. Who stars in Futurama, which had a guest appearance by Leonard Nimoy...
3. Who has been in a ST:TNG episode with Jonathan Frakes ...
4. Who did a voice on Gargs.
:)

Jenna> The Renaissance Festival sounds terrific. My clan and I missed the local one this year. :(

*blinks* Darth Pikachu? I'm suddenly very glad I missed this....

G'night, rookery sibs. And remember: you _will_ put the spaghetti in your hair, you will, you will! (Same 30-point reference. Good until Thursday.)
Batya the Toon - [batyatoon at hotmail dot com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 03:12:48 PM
IP: s15h076.lab.qc.edu

Ugh, Pokemon maybe cute, but a lot of it's players are *so* not. BTW, the Pokemon mall tour was really disappointing. You got to stand in one Phantom Menace tickets-sized line, at the end of which, you get a Squirtil card. Big whoop. No plushies, no merchandise of any kind, and no tournament. At least the Pikachu bug was cute.

Stormy> I loved that pic.

Stephen> Sorry about your story. Better luck next time.

Wilek> I showed a friend of mine Darth Pikachu, and now he wants to make a shirt out of it. Thanks again.

Blue Ceru>Oswald was Jason?!? Great, now I have this vision of the Hunters playing pool in the rain, and forgetting where they parked their hovercraft.

Does anybody know where I could get a good floor plan of Notre Dame cathedral? I'm nearly finished with my fic, and this is holding me up. Thanks.

Later.

Aaron wanders out, humming B.O.C.'s "Godzilla"


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, October 4, 1999 03:09:45 PM
IP: ppp-87.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

THEYRE EDITING GARGS!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!
first they edit good anime and now they are Editing one of the best American Cartoon shows?
IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD!
Ok just kidding..deep breaths

If I do see one of those freaks walking around with the "End Is Near sign" I'm just going o start singing a very poular R.E.M song

Animal Farm...I missed it! Could somebody email me what happened at the last 15 minutes? I remember reading the book and during the last day of 7th grade we were watching a cartoon movie about it but during the last 15 minutes the bell rang.. and summer vacation begun.

Pisstoff>Geez! good thing the moron forgot you..about that dishwashing woman. I feel sorry for her she may have a mental condition.

There Something About Mary>>My Dad finally saw it last Saturday and I knew he liked it because He hardly ever laughs out loud.

Ok buh bye fer now*Does the Gator Chomp and hopes the team does better next time*
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Monday, October 4, 1999 02:57:32 PM
IP: ts002d35.orl-fl.concentric.net

Sorry I've been absent... illness, Dis Connect, school, and family problems are kinda keeping me busy. o_O I'll try to pop in tomorrow.

Anyway, just wanted to let y'all know I"m still here, and click my name for a new song I wrote this morning in Math: "Alice".
Deuce - [hackhackcoughcough@curtain.cjb.net]
Monday, October 4, 1999 01:39:49 PM
IP: edtn001958.hs.telusplanet.net

Hey there all--- well the work situation panned itself out, so that's cool!! Been a crazy day here, but I had a wonderful weekend. Mike and i went to the Texas Rennisannce Festival, and had an awesome time. It's the 25th annavery of the thing, so they really put on the dog. There was a masque that was kind of like a show, (lasted 2 hours) and fireworks afterward. It was incredible. There was also a lot of gardens, one of which was an english country garden called Titania's Bower. Very nice, but I liked the formal rose garden better-- I've always had a partiallity to roses.

I also got to ahh and ooh at a guy who was dressed as Oberon. He looked incredible. NOt at all what the garg's rendition of him was, sort of the Henry the 8th with gargatuan butterfly wings- that were incredible to see. He was very polite to us mortals. WE also got to see two people dressed as Henery the 8th and the queen (I forget which one but she was german) That was pretty cool too.

The music and food was incredible. The shows were fun as well. But I think the best thing was Mike and I got to spend the whole day by ourselves, lost in this world of pagentry. I didn't want to emerge to go back to real life. :P

Steve- sorry to hear about your rejection, keep at it though..

Pist off- drunks are such hell to deal with, huh? if people only knew what complete asses they make of them selves-- you'd think they'd never leave the house again.

fanfic progress- got some done, but not as much as I would have liked on Sunday. I spent most of sunday sleeping, as I was on my feet at the fair--

Oh, at the fair there was also a chariot race, and an awesome joust-- that was awesome to watch--now I know what they mean by saying "the thundering of hooves". There was also a sheepdog and falconry exhibition as well--

Started rereading the Chronicles of Narnia-- not to beat a dead horse, but I don't see how anyone can not notice the Christian overtones. Afterall, the children are called Sons of Adam, and Daughters of Eve. That's pretty blatent to me.

Cs. Lewis also had a science fiction trilogy that began with out of the silent planet-- excellent stuff...

That's all for now--!
jenna
Monday, October 4, 1999 01:08:40 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

SHOGUN (Re: Spiderman Un.) - Actually, I think they are looking at this from the continum from the comics (pre-The Spiderman Clone mix up), since I do remember that at one point they did reveal how Mary-Jane found out who Spidey really was (Turns out MJ is really a smart cookie; she figured out why Peter was always vanishing and then Spidey would show up, put 2 to 2, and Viola!). This is why we see Peter talking to MJ about his responsibilities as Spiderman in the SUn first Ep.

SJ - I could be wrong, but didn't Parker say that he went to Reed Richards to get his nano-suit? Sounds more likely that Mr. Fantastic would develop that sort of technology, and if I recall, Spidey and the FF are still on good-speaking terms.

And as for the overall speil on SUn, I liked it. True the "counter-earth" deal has been done to death (DC, John Norman, etc.), but it does offer one explination for why there are some similarities to the Planet Wundagore and Planet Earth. Don't always be so quick to judge a new show! After all, I wasn't too keen on Beast Machines when I first heard of it, now I think it's the best thing since sliced bread! :)

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, October 4, 1999 12:04:12 PM
IP: m184.ieway.com

"Gargoyles" edits on Toon Disney> Ack! Disney is editing the eps! THAT is probably old news in here, but does anyone have a compilation of the edits? (For example, last night I saw the end of the ep in which the gargs confront and defeat Coyote and the Pack on the oil tanker. Can't remember the ep's name. Anyway, Disney cut out a few moments of footage when Goliath gave the Coyote robot a coup de grace. ARrrgh! I'm looking for a compilation of these snips and cuts to the eps-as-they're-aired-on-Toon-Disney.)
Pogo
Monday, October 4, 1999 11:40:58 AM
IP: fwnt.dw.dorseylaw.com

hi all!!
its been sooo long since I have been in here!!
the animal farm< is this a new movie that is out or something? never heard of it.... but then again I've been so busy lately that its understandable.
homecoming< did anyone else go to homecoming? or at least the first high school dance? *g* I know some ppl are in different countries or not in high school anymore, but anyone?
well, I have to go to work now, so I will see you all later... bye!
cherry blossom - [Chryblsm15@AOL.com]
WI, US of A
Monday, October 4, 1999 10:41:45 AM
IP: wbcml.hnet.net

Argh! The Gators lost by one stinking point to Alabama, ending our 30 home game winning streak! *sighs*

Gargoyles on TV: Well, I'm _finally_ going to get cable, so I hope one of those channels I'm paying for shows it.

Jason Canmore: Can you believe Diedrich Bader voiced him? It just seems so unlikely... I mean, this guy plays Oswald on The Drew Carey Show, and Jason was such a... well... sexy character. Unless there's two people with the same name, but that's not likely. *g* Ah well.
Blue Caeru
Monday, October 4, 1999 09:49:59 AM
IP: smathersl1.uflib.ufl.edu

Hello everyone, sorry I haven't stopped by for awhile, spent the weekend in bed (nasty headcold), the upside was I got to read the next book in David Weber's Honor Harrington book----very good stuff anyone else read any of his stuff??

Have a great day, whatever you must do!!!!
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Monday, October 4, 1999 08:49:32 AM
IP: 216.190.241.91

I just found a better quote for my last post.

"They are going to skunk it!" - Sam Hughs
niner - [mmckinnongra@upei.ca]
P.E.I., Canada
Monday, October 4, 1999 07:10:29 AM
IP: asy02.dial.upei.ca

Hi all!!

Pistoff re stupid customer story:Ugh!! oh boy!!,that sorta' remindes me of the time this customer came up to me at work and asked me to explain the difference between short and long matches>:(

Jessie:Great Filk!

B.G:Welcome!

Zath:a police car was swerving and zigzagging across *all* lanes of the freeway. After a minute or two of this, it stopped in the middle of the road perpendicular to the flow of traffic and just sat there (we were in the far left lane, so we could have gotten by, but the people in front of us weren't moving). Then, some guy with a video camera (the big, professional looking kind, not a camcorder) jumped out of the cop car and started running around, filming the car from different sides. Then, he got back into the cop car and it started zigzagging all over the road again>>Sounds like they were filming one of those boring COPS programs.(trying to spice up a boring night on patrol)


Oh well,I have to go,I got myself a copy of Ghost in the Shell today and it's been a while since I last saw it so...

Good night all!!:)
Xanathar
Melbourne, victoria, Australia
Monday, October 4, 1999 06:40:02 AM
IP: cache1.mpx.com.au

Wilek - <<What if they really *are* canning Gargs...? o_o' I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this...>> Me too, it would suck for american fans to loose Gargoyles just as us Canadians got 'em back.

"One Punch! ONE PUNCH!" - Blue Beetle, Justice League #5

Well, back to my minion training...
niner - [mmckinnongra@upei.ca]
P.E.I., Canada
Monday, October 4, 1999 06:28:07 AM
IP: asy05.dial.upei.ca

Frightening thought> Remember when someone mentioned an error in their satellite listings--the title bar showed Mighty Ducks when they were really running an episode of Gargoyles? Other such errors are starting to show up. The relevance being that someone else mentioned a rumor that they'd be taking Gargoyles off Toon Disney. Now, this is pretty much paranoid rambling, but...what if the 'errors' were in fact Disney quietly updating whatever system shows the titles for currently-running episodes? What if they really *are* canning Gargs...? o_o' I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this...

I saw Animal Farm tonight. I love this movie. Don't know how true it was to the book, since I've never even encountered it, but it was still *quite* kewl (and inspired a fic scene or two). LOVED the music. I hope they release the soundtrack, although that's not very likely since this was a made-for-TV film. :/ (TNT seems to be awfully fond of having Patrick Stewart in the role of a villain, altough who can blame them. First this, then A Christmas Carol...and wasn't Moby Dick made for TNT? Hm.)

Zath> <<a police car was swerving and zigzagging across *all* lanes of the freeway. After a minute or two of this, it stopped in the middle of the road perpendicular to the flow of traffic and just sat there (we were in the far left lane, so we could have gotten by, but the people in front of us weren't moving). Then, some guy with a video camera (the big, professional looking kind, not a camcorder) jumped out of the cop car and started running around, filming the car from different sides. Then, he got back into the cop car and it started zigzagging all over the road again>> I do believe Sunnydale Sanitarium is missing a basketweaver...

Robby> <<the entire last 15 minutes were not in the book, which was upsetting.>> Really? Disappointing, that; I liked that sequence...

Newcomers> Welcome! Go get your sanity sooked. ;D

Pistoff> Stupid customer stories> ACK. This is why I will never, never, never work in retail or food service (or at all, if it can be helped)--enough encounters with the end of the genepool that needed a little more chlorine would send me screaming off the deep end and pretty soon I'd have to be put down like a rabid chihuahua for chainsawing a customer in half. o_O
Wilek Nereus
Monday, October 4, 1999 04:58:52 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

ANIMAL FARM > Just got home from work and am in the process of watching it.

Blue, Robby, Pissy > Hmm...well, glad you liked the filk. I had an English teacher in high school who liked to make the class write and perform song parodies based on Shakespearean plays. I always had fun in that class. :) My crowning achievement was "I Am Not A Liar (Horatio's Musical Retelling of the Elsinor Tragedy)," an eighteen verse parody of "We Didn't Start the Fire." Yes, I was very out of breath when I finished singing that. :)

Pistoff > Hi! Sorry about my slowness with your pictures. I was extremely sick for about a week and a half after school started, and it really screwed up my schedule. You should get them by the end of the month, though. Cool?

Christine > Did you get my email? Let me know please, so I can gush giddy praise again if you didn't. ;)

Finally, whoever offered suggestions for the Harley costume (sorry, I forgot who that was) : Thank you! Any other suggestions are also welcome.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 03:03:58 AM
IP: ctrts1-1.mrs.umn.edu

Oh man, got a big one brewin', here... *g*

Uggh, it's been another one of those weeks. Working ten hours one day, thirteen the next, because one of the shift managers got fired (and yes, he had it coming), so I got some of his hours. I would've posted a couple of nights ago, but after going to work at 8 AM and getting off at 9 PM, I went home, sat down to check my email...and that's all I remember until 7 AM, when the alarm went off--and I got to do another eight hours. *shrugs* But at least I'll be able to pay some bills, now.

Anyway, once again I gotta catch up with everything. Hope I don't miss any responses....

Wilek: *bows* Thank you. Glad you enjoyed my bit of the Joyride. *evil grin* That's what happens when somebody messes with my friends. *cracks knuckles* Heh...and the thing about the cop's quote...I'm picturing a doughnut shop that serves "damn fine coffee and GOOD bud." ;)

Xanathar: <joyride:*LOL*Twisted>:)> *bows again* Thank you! :) About the Gargoles poker deck...I haven't seen any around for a while. I got this one a couple of years ago. The cover has a picture of Brooklyn, Broadway and Lexington riding...heh...skateboards. O_o I can see Brook on a Harley...but a skateboard?!?!

Mandolin: <Sorry you had such a lousy day. Sounds like it was hell.> Thanks. :) I've had days like that one before, and I've had worse. And no doubt, I'll have more like it in the future, sometime. Occupational hazard. But at least it gives me stories like this one....

Actually, this one happened while I wasn't there, but at least I was able to get the scoop from my boss. One night a woman came in, ordered a pizza...then went into the kitchen and started washing dishes! O.O That's one of those moments when nobody knows just what to say or do...but somebody finally told her that she had to wait up front. ;)

And here's one I got to experience for myself...lucky me. ;) Some drunk guy called the other morning when, I was making the dough. He called about 10 in the morning. The conversation went something like this....

Me: "Coos Bay Pizza Hut..."
Drunk Bastard: "Heeeeeeyyyyyy, Coooooooosssss Baaaaayyyyy Piiiiiizzaaaa Huuuuuut...!"
Me (thinking, "Oh god, why'd I answer the phone?") "Yes?"
DB: "I wanna pizza!"
Me: "Well, we don't open until 11."
DB: "You're $h!ttin' me!"
Me: "No, I'm not $h!ttin' you. We open at 11."
DB: "Well, can I leave my address n' you can deliver it when you open?"
Me (suppressing a sigh): "Sure."
DB: "What time is it?"
Me: "Couple minutes after ten."
DB: "Ohhhh...then you'll be here soon, then?"
Me: "Well, our minimum delivery time is half an hour. So it'll be there at about 11:30."
DB (after stunned silence): "No way! I *know* you can get it here right at 11!"
Me (getting pissed): "I'm sorry, but we open at 11. It'll get there within half an hour after that."
DB: "C'mon, give me a break! You can get it here at 11, damn it!"

I hung up on him. I've been there for five years. I've paid my dues, and I won't put up with this stuff.

Well, he called right back. And I just let the phone ring. Later, my boss came in, and the guy called again. She answered the phone and had to go through the same thing. The guy had forgotten everything I'd just told him! *rolls eyes*

Jenna: Sorry about what happened with the name-change causing you to be late for work. If there was no phone around and no way to tell your boss, there wasn't much you could do. He shouldn't have gone off on you like that. :(

Stephen: Sorry about the rejection. I know how it feels, I've been dealing with it for 10 years. *sigh* There's something wrong when somebody like William Shatner could practically hand in 400 pages of blank paper and the publishers would go Jackie Chan on each other, trying to be the first to sign a contract...but those who are just starting out barely have a chance. I wish you the best of luck in finding another market. :)

Angie: (re: hit and run) Oh god, that's terrible! *shakes head* Will people ever learn? I spend so much time on the road, I'm always seeing people running traffic lights and stop signs. Hell, I've seen people do that right in front of cop cars, and the cops don't even give 'em a second glance. In fact, this is the reason it's now illegal to guarantee 30-minute delivery times here--a few years ago, a delivery driver ran over an 8-year-old girl because he wanted to get the pizza there on time. And the thing that makes me sick is...the bastard kept on going, delivered the pizza, then came back. The cops were waiting for him when he got back...but that won't bring the little girl back. Why can't people think about this before they decide to floor it? When I think of all the times I almost got run over or hit while driving...I'm amazed that I'm still alive....

Zath: Sorry you've been having such a rough time. I hope things improve soon.

SJ: (Re: end-of-the-world BS) I think it can best be summed up in a line from the TV series, Millennium. "It is my prediction that the new millennium will bring us one thousand years...of the same old CRAP!!" :)

Kitainia: You're welcome. :) The Vinnie story will be a separate series (or mini-series, rather), and so far I just have a few vague ideas. After it percolates for a few days, I should be able to start writing something out while waiting for Denis to send me another bit of the outline for Injustice II. :) I hope to get started on the Vinnie project soon. I think it'll be a hoot. ;)

Jessie: Hi! Been a while. :) Love the filk. You're a genius!

Coyote: Oh man, sorry you've been feeling so bad. Get well soon, 'k?

And finally, since a few of us have been talking about the end of the world, I'll leave you with the following quotes.... ;)

"This generation may be the one that will face Armageddon." --Ronald Reagan; People, December 26, 1985

"Ronald Reagan is an old man. It will be the rest of us who will face Armageddon." --Hunter S. Thompson
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Monday, October 4, 1999 02:36:44 AM
IP: wire-22.koalas.com

and as for Spiderman beyond ( I meant to call it that)....that thing had so many plot holes in the beginning, it whistles, namely...WHEN DID MJ LEARN PARKER WAS SPIDEY!?
all the other plot holes have been pointed out, all in all, it seemed a throwback to the 60's spidey with the animation style, dulled colors and voice-acting
shogun raptor
Monday, October 4, 1999 02:18:04 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

*begin RP* The deadly seven land in egypt, outside the perimeter of the phalanx base sensor range, the others disembark but doc stays aboard
"something troubles you friend congo?" questions Fenrir
"it's the phalanx, Fenrir, they can assimilate machines with little effort and I don't know what will happen" Abel interjects, "I have something that might help" he holds out a transparent cylinder with a pokeball floating in it "this was going my masterpiece, I was working on it when You, shogun, Fenrir and flypside attacked my lab before I joined the seven, the problem was it's mind was unstable, if it were released it would destroy all in it's path, even that which posed no threat to it, I had to put it in a pokeball in a stasis field to contain it, Moments later, Doc and Abel head to the cargo hold, Abel releases the stasis field and removes the pokeball and begins to shake, Doc transfers his conciousness into a transfer pyramid, abel holds the pyramid high as the pokeball explodes and his creature emerges, bearing the body of an aerodactyl, the horns of a pinsir and the plant of a venusaur, a beam of light shoots forth from the violet transfer pyramid, Doc's mind goes into the aeropinsaur's body and the aeropinsaur enters the conciousness pyramid, Doc and Abel rejoin the others and head off toward the base, when suddenly, shogun turns to the left
"something wrong?" asks Aerocongo?
"I just detected the energy source from Blackwing's escape pod due west, and did you get a haircut?"
"no, I just transferred into a biological form"
"anyway, the signal is coming from that assimilated pyramid with the statue out front of the five of us getting killed"
"think it's a trap?" inquired Flypside
"wouldn't be the first one we walked into" countered Fenrir
*RP END*

ANIMAL FARM REVIEW/ DANGER WILL ROBINSON, SPOILERS DETECTED

granted MAJOR liberties were taken from the book, but it was great, particulalrly toward the end, I had no Idea Patrick Stewart could play that kind of villain, now we know who could play Madoc if they ever brought gargs back and did their version of the unseelie war, still the part at the end was creepy with the new owners looking eeirly like Bill and Hillary Clinton
*end review*
and now: son of revenge of the ghost of....
SIX DEGREES OF GARGOYLES

Yogi Bear to gargoyles...GO
Boo Boo was voiced by John Kricfalusi...
who also creadted and did Ren & stimpy with Billy West....
Who stars in Futurama with Katey Sagal....
who starred in Married with Children with Ed O'neil....
who did a cameo in "wayne's world" with Mike Myers...
who was in Austin Powers with Seth Green...
who plays in BtVS with Armin Shimmerman....
who played in ST: DS9 with Colm meany....
who did a voice on Gargs

shogun raptor
Monday, October 4, 1999 02:15:18 AM
IP: miami-trans2.firn.edu

Double Post.

Beast Machines > I don't think that Jetstream is actually Silverbolt. I think he's gotta be one of the old Preds. The maximals, I think, would be subdued somehow, to prevent them from turning against Megatron. I agree that Tankorr is Rhynox. I strongly believe that Thrust is Silverbolt. Jetstream is very verbose, and enjoys going after the Maximals. Tankorr seems out of control, and Thrust seems very repressed, (All he says is "overdrive").

*** SPOILERS ***

This is a brief descriptions (unconfirmed) for episode 7 of this season.

"The Maximals discover a junkyard facility where the robot shells of the missing Transformers are stored. Meanwhile,
Black Arachnia and Thrust discover a fatal attraction for one another."

I found this at www.beastmachines.com (unofficial).

*** END SPOILERS ***


Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Monday, October 4, 1999 12:41:52 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Spider-man Unlimited > If it's as bad as Sevarius Jr. says, then I'm glad I chose to watch Pokemon instead. The surfing episode was great!


Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Monday, October 4, 1999 12:35:19 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Been one heck of a long weekend, and I don't have time but for a few brief comments:

Beast Machines: This is what I love!!! They're spreading out the story over the course of the 13 episodes, making it one big mystery that we discover as the characters discover it. I got to give props to the writing team, they're building up suspense nicely, and the animation is, as always, beautiful. I also, like many others, enjoyed the Black Arachnia/Silverbolt dream/flashback? sequences....I know totally believe that Tankkor is Rhinox and that Jetstream is Silverbolt. I personally also think that Thrust is one of Megatron's original Predacons....perhaps Waspinator? Good episode, though, the best one yet!

Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot: Pardon me, but is that Tom Hank's little brother voicing Big Guy's "human factor"?

***SPOILERS FOR SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED****
Well, caught the premiere for the new Spider-Man Unlimited show.
NOT impressed.
More than a little disappointed, however. I personally didn't like the animation quality (thought the more recent Spider-Man show was better, and that's not saying too much), and I absolutely hate the voice actor they've got voicing Spidey (I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss the movie Greg Brady!). But that's the technical aspect, let's move into the content.
I don't like the storyline at all. I'm usually one who loves the chaotic dystopia setting, but....why??? Counter-Earth my ass, Spidey belongs in the "REAL" world. I'd like to see him fight good ol' Doc Ock, or Green Goblin, instead of some bastard "alternate-earth" version of them. I did like seeing the High Evolutionary; I *didn't* like the idea of making him Counter-Earth's dictator with mutates running the dominant species. I think many of the characters acted out of...well, character, if you will. Venom and Carnage working together is *not* right....part of what made them fun in the comics is that they hate each other almost as much as they hate Spider-Man. Parker may be brilliant, but I don't think he'd build a nano-suit in his spare time.....and personally, I do NOT, no way no how, believe he'd stow away on a spaceship and head to Counter-Earth, leaving Mary Jane or Aunt May behind on what could be (probably will be) a suicide mission, even if it is to save someone he considers his responsibility, i.e. John Jameson. This show tried to be a bit Spider-Man, a bit Spider-Man 2099, and a bit something else, and in my opinion, it didn't do a good job in any regard. Maybe I'm being unjustly harsh of it, but I care about the Spider-Man character, and I don't want to see it screwed up. As of now, though, even though this show may have been conceived even before Batman Beyond.....I can't help but look at it as a BB clone.
****END SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED SPOILERS***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 11:37:27 PM
IP: 207-172-53-24.s24.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

I"m new here! Love the site!
B.G
New Castle, IN, USA
Sunday, October 3, 1999 11:33:25 PM
IP: nltc-57-84.nltc.net

Well, its been a busy week for me, as you well know. Between Dragon Force and mey mentorship and TGS stuff and everything else, I've been losing sleep... And I have two more comic pages to do by Wensday... One a day. *sigh*

Beauty and the Beast: The Broadway Show- I just can't describe how fantastic tthis thing was. The costumes, the lighting, the singing, the dancing... Not only did everything come surprisingly close to the movie, (Including all the actors and actresses, most of whom had voices identical to their movie counterparts!) but certain things were built upon and made better. For instance, LaFue was a far more humorus and enjoyable character, the Beast was far more humourous, childish, and likable, the enchanted characters in the castle had more to them, (There was a four minute sketch where they made lots of jokes about their friends turning into what they're personalities were like.) Some of the added song numbers were fantastic, (One or two got int he way though) the additions to others were great, (The Gaston song had a fantastic two or three minute beer mug clinking sequence. Hard to describe but incredible!) All of the players clearly had fun doing things, and the guy in the carpet doing summersaults was loads of fun. They deserved the standing ovation they got, (and while Gaston got some boos, he took it in in all fairness and fun). It was just a great experiance that I would love to see again... If any of you get the chance to see this thing if it goes to your town, make a point of doing so, it is quite worth it.

Incidentally, there was an added sequence where Belle read a book to the Beast. The book? King Arthur...

**REVIEW OF ANIMAL FARM**

Honestly, I was pretty underwhelmed by this. A lot of the book seems to be missing, (There needed to be at least another half hour) and the entire last 15 minutes were not in the book, which was upsetting. All in all, it was a fine attempt, but not a classic by any means. Ah well...

Jessie Fey- Thats a GREAT filk! Far better than what I was thinking! Coolness... I was just going to try and put together something about "A three hour tour... A three hour tour". Very cool.

And thats about it for now I guess... Laters!

**Checks time** Oh, close enough.

25 MORE DAYS TILL THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF PRINCESS MONONOKE!
Robby
Sunday, October 3, 1999 11:27:45 PM
IP: spider-we073.proxy.aol.com

NINE!!!

And in case anyone missed the plug earlier, I have a new fic up. <grin>
Doug
Sunday, October 3, 1999 11:27:45 PM
IP: pool-209-138-163-229.dlls.grid.net

Oh...yes. I live still.... NUMBER EIGHT!!!!
Traveler - [traveler45@geocities.com]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 11:09:24 PM
IP: 98a9be65.ipt.aol.com

TOP 10!!!!!
Spacebabie
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:57:52 PM
IP: ts002d19.orl-fl.concentric.net

**RP HERE**
From within the green pool of bacta, Toku Kaioto has to acknowledge that this technology has worked wonders healing his body. Such a confining space, however, was doing nothing positive for his mental state. There were certainly implications to being surrounded by liquid in a locked cylinder that were starting to outweigh Kaioto's good manners.
"Orion, I need to get out of this thing," he finally requested into his breathing mask.
"Kaioto, I already told you," the priest replied patiently, "The doctors have you scheduled for release two days from now."
"I know that," the Seeker gritted his teeth, "But I'm fine enough to get out of here now."
"It isn't my decision, Kai …"
"With all due respect, Father, it is mine. I do appreciate the hospitality of these facilities. But Get. Me. Out. Of. Her. Now. The last thing I want to do is bust out of this obviously expensive chamber in order to prove my point. This is absolutely ridiculous and I won't stand for - DON'T you DARE switch off that audio-feed!"
Orion drew back his hand from the controls sheepishly. He'd thought Kaioto hadn't been watching.
**Pause RP**
Banzai!

Didn't have enough time for a real post, sorry guys …

**CONTINUE RP**
With a sigh, the priest hit the comm panel, "Medical team, the Seeker is making a rather … ahem … pointed request to be released from Bacta therapy."
"And why should we release you, Mr. Kaioto," the Medical supervisor's voice cut in over his audio-feed.
The Seeker grinned evilly in the green goo, "Because it isn't covered under my HMO …"
"…"
The Seeker's smile grew broader.
"G a release unit down to Bacta tank 10, STAT," A muffled voice said in the background.
**End RP**


Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:55:07 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

TOP TEN BABY!!!!!!!
SOROW
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:48:02 PM
IP: dll2b110-31.splitrock.net

Top 10! :D
Wilek
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:46:29 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

TOP TEN.....real post later, including a review for the new Animal Farm....
Ordell - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:45:10 PM
IP: ppp-194.ode.cableone.net

...
Anonymous
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:42:35 PM
IP: proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net

**jogs in and switches out the candles**

Top ten? First?

**sneezes and jogs out**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 3, 1999 10:36:39 PM
IP: modem84.i-is.com