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Greetings: Everyone

Yeah, its midterm time!(Please kill me.

Oh Well:

Ninjitsu: This is a topic with which I am only versed in its history and I am not exactly up to date on the current status of the art. Western society has embraced the idea of the Ninja as a killer who is dressed in form fitting black clothes who dissappears into shadows and kills without a sound. This imagery is false, for the most part.
The Ninja were organized into clans diring the 11-16th century.(Please note that I could not accurately confirm the latter date.)They were both spies and assasins. In other words they did what was considered dishonorable to the ruling class of Japan. They were hired thugs.
The dress of the Ninja was not composed of the garb favoured by Holywood. Normally a Ninja would be dressed in comon street clothes and would simply blend in to the crowd. Also it should be noted that black was not the normal colour for a night operation, purple was.
The actual combat style used by the Ninja was not the incredible leaps and flips that have come to ba associated with the Ninja in this century. Their combat style can most closely be related to Military Hand to Hand, fast, dirty and effective. The techniques were designed to cause the most damage as possible in the least amount of time. The most common targets in combat were the eyes, throat, groin and knees.
The image of the Ninja as a combat master is not wntirely well deserved as their normal method of killing was through poison.(On a side note they did use the trick of transfering the poison down a string into the targets mouth.)
As for the style today, I can't say that it would be the style used in the time of the Ninja as the styles varied wildly from clan to clan. I would expect that it is a conglomeration of several styles.
Unfortunelty Ninjitsu is one of the arts that I do not have much information on. I have only trained in T.K.D., Karate and Iaido.
Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Sunday, October 24, 1999 07:41:16 PM
IP: 209.167.129.24

**WARNING!! PROBABLY RELATIVELY MINOR RANT AHEAD!!**

**groans** For some reason, the last two days at the store, it's seemed like someone up the street was offering discount lobotomies to all comers, then sending them to us. **rolls eyes** It actually started on Friday, when someone asked me if we sold rebuilt antifreeze (Uhm, excuse me, but unless I missed something in school, HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU REBUILD A FRICKIN' FLUID?!?!). It continued to the next day, when there were at least four incidents of people coming in to talk to me, and they had engines in their vehicles that weren't supposed to be *in* them (only two I can recall: a guy who wanted a hose for his '82 Jeep CJ7 that he'd just happened to drop a 350 Chevy V8 into ... and a guy who wanted a replacement engine for his '76 AMC Javelin, but wanted a direct replacement for the engine he'd swapped into it, a Ford 390. :P). *Then* there were the two guys, who I will refer to as Tweedle-Dumbass and Tweedle-Dumb$#!t, who were trying to find out specs that we simply don't have about their two Ford engines they were going to swap ... specifically about the flywheel. Keeping in mind that the V8 they wanted to put in place of an inline-6 in an F-150 came from an automatic and *DIDN'T HAVE A FRIGGIN' FLYWHEEL IN THE FIRST PLACE*, and the truck they were putting it into was set up for a stick ...
The capper, though, came today. Our store offers oil recycling free of charge to customers, limited to 5 gallons per household per day. Aside from the folks who give us gasoline, too much oil, or other mystery fluids (one drunk last week left what appeared to be a pint of new oil and three ounces of urine mixed with a quart of milk), the most annoying ones are folks who try to slip fast ones on us. Like some jerkface did today ... gave his fluids, signed the book and left. As it turned out, three of his gallon bottles had about a pint of oil ... and the rest of the gallons were NEW ANTIFREEZE!!!!

**pounds head into conveniently placed brick wall for a few minutes, then composes self slightly**

Whew ... my apologies, I really hadda get all that happy horsecrap off of my chest.

**END RANT!!**

Blue Caeru: **stands and applauds** That's right, stand up for us kinda-soft-around-the-middle guys! **claps loudly**

Wilek: Thanks for the condolences on Mom's job. She's jumping back into the job hunt with both feet ... but it gets harder for her to find work every year. She's got two things going against her in her chosen field (office help ... specifically, accounts receivable clerk):
1) Her age ... she's not exactly a spring chicken. (she's 54)
2) Her experience. 20 years in the Navy left her *incredibly* overqualified for anything that she'd be applying for. I mean, when was the last time knowledge of N-B-C warfare was necessary to collect payment? Top it off with the fact that her computer experience is on military systems that are basically precursors to modern tech ... she's run a UNIX system before, but it was the military version, which from what I understand is light years behind the civilian UNIX. And don't even *mention* LINUX. :P
But she'll find something. I'm sure of it.

Pissy: Stopped by your site ... y'know, the pics of you are pretty much what I was expecting ... I looked at those and said, "Yep, that's *definitely* a guy delivering pizzas and kicking asses in Coos Bay." :)

Fire Storm: Copyright law isn't my forte, but the way I would translate it is that proprietary rights remain with the photographer/artist, not with the manufacturer of the product. If that were the case, anytime someone took a picture of Gatorade cooler on a sideline, they could be sued for copyright infringement by whoever it is that makes Gatorade (damn, I can't remember who it is right now). They're on very shaky ground, I think.

Christine, re: submission guidelines: Thankee. :)

Rulok: Just as an aside, I personally think that if your costume is still in even *half* of the shape it was in Dallas ... if they have a costume contest at that thing you're going to, you'll clean up! :)

Marc Dadigan: Welcome, welcome ... hmm, film student? Coolies ... Screenwriting? Super coolies!! :)

Okay, I'm out ...
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 24, 1999 07:16:27 PM
IP: modem86.i-is.com

SOROW>> re: Shirt>> As it turns out, she handed off the mailing of shirts to me. I'll try to have your shirt to you this week.
Spike
Sunday, October 24, 1999 06:49:09 PM
IP: pppt07-236.ght.iadfw.net

Damn Web Server!!!!!! Either the net is screwing everyone... or it's a *really* slow week.

Aris> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I guess you have some spankin' in store for ya ;)

Spike> You're *very* welcome! I'm going to read your series completely as of now! And as far as the G99 shirt...no, I haven't received yet. Maybe it's just taking a little longer than expected. *shrug*

Warp> Don't worry. I've made a point to read all of Christi's work....hopefully before Dark Ages comes back up.

Marc> Welcome to our happy home and may you stay forever. You're writing a garg screenplay?! AWESOME! Keep up the great work.
SOROW
Sunday, October 24, 1999 06:21:28 PM
IP: dll2b102-26.splitrock.net

Hello, fellow gargoyle fans. I'm a newcomer to the board, but I bring some serious questions. I'm minoring in film, and some friends at USC who have provided me some small links to Hollywood. I'm currently working on a Gargoyles screenplay that may actually have a chance(albeit small) of being seen by someone out there. Anything would be better than a Dean Devlin script. I know fans like you guys have lots of awesome ideas, so if there's anything you'd like to share or any ideas of mine you'd like to hear and criticize feel free to email me, and if you have ICQ you can chat with me tonight on the same email address. Thanks.
Marc Dadigan - [dadigan@uiuc.edu]
IL
Sunday, October 24, 1999 05:22:57 PM
IP: farm1-cache1.gw.uiuc.edu

So the server is up again. Yay... It gets just a wee bit annoying when it keeps going down...
Robby
Sunday, October 24, 1999 02:19:28 PM
IP: spider-wm042.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind de InzanE> I don't agree with what "Doctor" Nguyen did either, but why do the social sciences have such a bad rap? (rhetorical question - I already know why. The whole thing about it being used to control people's behavior) My family already doesn't quite agree with my major, and I admit now I'm starting to feel a bit defensive about it. Social scientists study behavior, they don't necessarily try to mold it or control it outright. Like studying some type of negative behavior and then setting up programs to encourage people to be more careful (e.g. unprotected, random sex - use condoms and birth control, or encourage abstinence). Now, I also admit that there are social scientists who coldly treat people like dumb subjects to mess with however they please, but I would like to think that I have a sense of ethics that won't allow me to do that. *takes a deep breath* I realize I could just be acting like a big baby over the topic, so I'll stop now. I hope this isn't considered a flame, because that was not my intention.
Blue Caeru
Sunday, October 24, 1999 01:51:22 PM
IP: spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com

BIRTHDAY BOYS> Happy birthday (timely-wished or not) to Aris and Warpmind!
Pogo
Sunday, October 24, 1999 01:18:59 PM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

Hi again...

Aris: So, you're but a mere five days older than me? I'll drink to that. (And between us, I agree with you on the subtleties, but Natalie Portman alone is reason good enough for me to see it again.)

Well, I'll be hangin' out at Callahan's for a while... maybe some of you will drop in?

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 24, 1999 12:05:46 PM
IP: 193.217.217.170

My 20th birthday is today. Yipee. :-)

Last week I also saw Phantom Menace - strangely enough I did enjoy it quite a bit: a more decent movie than many led me to expect - I'd say it's certainly as good as the first three, and quite possibly better. Some things I didn't care for admittedly, and in the first half of the movie Jar-Jar Binks's race was extremely annoying : but that improved somewhat in the second half. I'm seriously considering of going to see it again (something which I've *never* cared to do before for any movie) because there were indeed some subtleties that I want to check out to see if I am correct...

Warpmind> I also had problems with the server.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, October 24, 1999 11:36:25 AM
IP: athe530-g092.otenet.gr

Hi, guys. Anyone else had trouble with the WyvernWeb Server today?

Oh, well, here goes...

Spacebabie: Glad you remember my date. Thouhg, considering the difference of time zones, I'll probably be in a small, poorly lit room, Mastering a Call of Cthulhu Roleplaying game at the time (I got the Basic Book yesterday! Yay!) and as such unable to check any e-mails etc. But still, any greetings accepted in gratitude...

Menessah: Hmmm, so there ARE actually surviving Ninja clans? True, the Ninja were skilled fighters, with an awesome arsenal, but remove their weapons, and you remove their skills. The Ninjas were masters of a lot of weapons, but absolutely incapable of standing their ground in unarmed combat... Well, personally, I'd rather find myself a decent temporal loop (something like Brooklyn's TimeDance) and take maybe twenty or thirty years in the Shaolin Temple a few hundred years ago... now THEY know combat! Oh, heck, what's the chance of me getting my talons on the Phoenix Gate, anyway?

All who plan their Halloween Costume: Lucky buggers... in Norway, we don't have the "Trick or treat"-custom whatsoever... in fact, maybe a couple of percents of the Norwegian population are even AWARE of the date... another thing that sucks about Norway (and believe you me, that list is ever growing) and a reason to move to the States...

SOROW: I take it you haven't gotten around to "Despair and Deliverance" or "Faith" yet, then? Enjoy those, but make sure you read all the stories building up toward'em...

Jenna: Keep up the Good Work... *Crosses fingers for a plane ticket to G2K*

Blue Caeru: I warn thee, shun Sociology, for it will be thine Doom! And besides, I think we at the TGS CR have had enough of Sociologists for a lifetime... a guy named Nguyen. *Blinks at high rate* Why the heck haven't we thought of Joyriding Doctor Nguyen?

Spike: Yeah! Another 'Fic in progress? (I figure your archive hasn't been updated too recently... have you written ANY fics since "Home for the Holidays"? 'Cause if so, I wanna know...

Oh-kayyy... at the moment, my hair is at an exact length of six millimeters... and I love it.

**WARNING: DC TORMENT/DEATH**
DC sits in his little "office", giggling sadistically at his controls, when one lights up unexpectedly. "Oh, hell and buckshoot... it's HIM again..." The door is shot down, and Warpmind de InzanE stands in the doorway, wielding a double-barreled gnawed-off shotgun. "Hi, DC. Guess my next move." Warpmind flicks up a nailgun with four-inch nails, grips DC in the neck, and slams him against the wall. A swift pull of the trigger, and DC cries in soprano. "Aw, poor widdle DC... maybe I shouldn't nail your schlong to the wall? Well, here's something that'll leave you thinking what's more important..." Warpmind picks up a HUGE Bowie-knife and slams it into the wall. Then, he steps back and throws a jar at the wall. "South American Army Ants... they'll follow the wall and devour any flesh they find... and now you'll have to decide what you value more... See ya." Warpmind then leaves, checking his watch casually. "Ah, it's time for that Capoera show on TV... hope there are some good ones."
**DC TORMENT ENDED**

Later, guys.
Warpmind de InanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 24, 1999 11:14:27 AM
IP: mp-217-228-126.daxnet.no

Sorrow>> Thank you very much!! It always amazes me that anyone actually reads my stuff these days. [Incidentally, if you still haven't received your G99 T-shirt, please let me know. I'm picking leftover G99 merchandise this afternoon.]

Coming soon to an Adult Archive near you.....

"A.I. -- Asrial Interactive."
Spike
Sunday, October 24, 1999 11:04:46 AM
IP: pppt06-86.ght.iadfw.net

Gig went good- :)

Blue Crau- (sorry if the spelling is wrong) Yeah I heard about the model egg thing-- reminds me too much of the Movie Gattica--and that's not good--
jenna
Sunday, October 24, 1999 10:33:39 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-13.hstntx.swbell.net

Hey, all. I was just wondering if anyone has heard about the fashion photographer who's auctioning off the eggs of 8 supermodels.

***** Uh-oh, a RANT! *****
At first I was completely repulsed by it, but then I thought, "Well, what about sperm banks, which list the physical characteristics of the donors?" I don't think it is right however to try to "create" a child who is physically "perfect," which is what the people who buy the models' eggs will likely be doing. The point is that rather than being a benevolent act (even if there is money being exchanged), the donation of sperm and eggs seems to take an eerie turn toward eugenics at times. This brings to mind a news story from a while ago about a couple who bought ads in newspapers at Ivy League schools offering a lot of money for the eggs of an athletic, blonde female, at least 5'8 with an IQ of such-and-such. *shakes her head* Okay, on a related but different topic: The expectations of parents can be so unbelievable and unattainable. Childhood is always portrayed as something so carefree and enjoyable. But where does one draw the line at encouraging your child to develop the mind or talents he/she was born with or basically pushing him/her, trying too hard to mold him/her into something you can be proud of? This topic really resounds with me because by the time I was 8, I was saying I wanted to play classical concertos on the piano, go to Harvard and become a lawyer (or a doctor, depending on what mood I was in :-P). Heh, I know I've disappointed my parents on some level, but I think they just lower their expectations ever so slightly to make themselves feel better. Now, I don't want to demonize my parents, because I've seen much worse cases than mine on pressure. I just happened to snap before I could be transformed into a true overachiever *wryly*. I know I've said this before already, but I swear that if I ever become a full-fledged sociologist, I'm going to study family pressure on children to "perform."
***** End rant! *****

Pistoff> Well, I admit that if I met you IRL, I'd be too intimidated to try to get to know you better. I mean, you're a big, tough-looking guy. <:-)

Mandolin> Hope you get more rest so you don't feel so crummy. But I'm impressed that you manage to do all the things you do. I have a rotten sense of time management.:-P
Blue Caeru
Saturday, October 23, 1999 06:53:46 PM
IP: spider-wo062.proxy.aol.com

Will make fuller posts later-- keep your fingers crossed for me, I have a belly dance gig tonight--:)
jenna
Saturday, October 23, 1999 06:32:03 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-141.hstntx.swbell.net

I think it's a miracle, but my dad finally fixed our damn printer. I think I've printed about 20 pictures from the Monthly Gargoyles Contest galleries in a fit of hysteria. If only it were a color printer *sigh*

Spike> In a sense of curiousity, I read "Daddy's Girl" from your archive. I think it's probably one of the best stories I've ever read. You're a goddess!
SOROW
Saturday, October 23, 1999 04:14:12 PM
IP: dll2b110-39.splitrock.net

Aaron - Since we both live in SA I thought I'd let you know that I'm going to the Haunted River thing downtown on October 30th. (The day before Halloween. Go figure.)
Anyway, It would be cool if you came down too. I'd like to meet you. I'll be wearing the Graeme costume. Can't miss me. Later. E-mail me directly if you like.
Rulok - [jmiller@netxpress.com]
San Antonio, texas, USA
Saturday, October 23, 1999 04:02:44 PM
IP: samax2-218.aip.realtime.net

woops, Matsumi=Hatsumi
Menessah
Saturday, October 23, 1999 03:47:15 PM
IP: filter.lds.net

I have to disagree about the Ninjutsu thing. Ninjutsu is still alive, I don't know the current grand master, though. The last one was Dr. Hatsumi Sensei, but I think he's dead. You were sort of right about it being dead, though. After the Shogun/Samauri people took control of Japan, I think Ninjutsu became outlawed. A few families continued to practice it, so it survived, though barely.
As for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle thing, I know that's not what Ninja are like. I've read many books on Ninjutsu, and yes, they were stealth assassins, but they were also efficient fighters, with a wide range of weapons at their disposal. Matsumi Sensei, even in his old age, was capable of taking down several opponents at one time. If you want to see how they fight, look for books by the BDS (Black Dragon Society), Stephen K. Hayes, or Matsumi Sensei (I don't know his real name, but it's something like that).
So the word is not Dojo? Oh, well, I just always use that word in conjunction with any Martial Arts schools.
Cool link to LoTR place. I'm a big Tolkien fan.

Menessah
Saturday, October 23, 1999 03:45:55 PM
IP: filter.lds.net

OUCH! I just recently came back from recieving a flu shot.
No I'm not afraid of needles
No the needle doesnt hurt
No the pressure itnt too much
yes it starts to hurt about 15 minutes later. but anything is better than getting the flu. I had that two years ago and I'm not taking anymore chances.

6 MORE DAYS TIL WARPMIND'S BIRTHDAY.

I'm going to send you a cool E-mail card

About Asrial..hmmmm I don't really believe in this myself but what if..and a pretty big IF...what if Asrial was reincarnated into Liz?

gotta dash
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, October 23, 1999 03:41:15 PM
IP: ts004d16.orl-fl.concentric.net

Oops! Forgot to actually LINK my name... "Options" can be found at the link below.
Mandolin
Saturday, October 23, 1999 03:06:23 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

**Mandi stumbles into the CR after what must be forever**

God, what a week... but at least my midterms are done. I'm not quite coherent yet, thanks to my sinuses, but I'm okay. Still avoiding being full-blown sick **knock on wood** so sinus pressure is tolerable compared to the alternative. Besides, Jane Eyre opens in two weeks and I'm starting to freak because I still can't fake an English accent to save my life...

I am not playing catch up. I know better. Although I will say this: Doug, I have read almost no fanfic in the past few months, so I'm unbelievably behind on your fic cycle. Which is why I haven't sent feedback.

**N&A SPOILERS!**

Note of interest: This ep was originally called "Like a Good Neighbor," in reference to State Farm Insurance's slogan, but it got changed early this week. I'll bet State Farm wasn't happy. :)

Okay, "One for the Money" was disappointing. But "Insurance Man" finally proved that someone OTHER than Glenn Gordon Caron can write good episodes of this show. Chad Lowe made Spence one hell of an arrogant, irritating jackass, and of course that made it fun when we got to the ledge scene. Lisa should have thrown the glass in his face with the drink, however. The comeuppance wasn't the best part of this episode. While it was fitting, I would have liked to see a bit of extra humiliation. What made up for it was everything else in the episode. The issue with Michael's diet - I had to feel sorry for him when Morris confiscated that hot dog. The door scene (and the fact that agonizing over Lisa was what got him through a metal door). Roger reacting to all the insanity. The look on Michael's face while he was listening to Spence talk about him - you could tell he was tempted to kill the guy, and you could see why.

The best two scenes didn't involve Spence at all: first, Michael confronting Morris and demanding help. When Michael told him he'd only come back for help, Morris almost looked hurt. And of course, the part when Lisa led Michael through a tour of the house... that was touching, especially the piano scene. It made it all the more poignant hearing "Chopsticks" in the background in the very last shot. Next ep doesn't look like it'll be quite as good... and since this week was satisfying, I think I can make it two weeks. 9/10, deducted only because Spence deserved worse and because Heather still needs development.

**END SPOILERS**

Selanit> I agree with you about the English language. I'm amazed at people who speak broken English as well as their native tongue; our language is so screwy it's a wonder some people who don't have it as their native language speak it so well. I had enough trouble - and still do - with Spanish. <<Argh, can't TGS hurry up? I'm dying of anticipation!>> We're trying, believe me...

*sigh* In the middle of studying for a midterm, I had a fanfic idea which was so persistent and so annoying that I sat down and wrote the damn thing in one sitting so I could go to sleep. It's not Gargs, it's "Now and Again," I know I have other commitments, but I had to get it out of my head. Click my name to read it...

In the meantime, I must lie down. I'm feeling a bit dizzy, and since I nearly fell off the platform during set construction this morning, that should indicate I'm due for a nap.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 03:05:38 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Sorry, guys. Dud link. This one should work.

P.S. My hair is now the exact length of six millimeters. I like it that way.

Later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 23, 1999 02:52:26 PM
IP: mp-217-239-72.daxnet.no

Hi guys, I have a feeling this link will be slightly popular with some of these noble inhabitants... The Lord Of The Rings Movie News And Rumors Page! Just clickie my name.

Clicka mah name, y'hear?

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 23, 1999 01:56:25 PM
IP: mp-217-218-62.daxnet.no

Hi, all. This following is going to be a long one.

Language debates> English, a *simple* language? <raises eyebrow> Funny, I've always been told that it's a real pain to learn as a second language. The grammar is tortuous; every word must be in its proper place, else the sentence becomes gibberish. The grammatical "exceptions" drive people nuts, (even native speakers such as myself), and and the spelling is insane. The great vowel shifts of the 13th-15th centuries left us with way too many silent letters and such. Faced with all that, I'll take a nice inflected language like Latin any day. (Latin has 3 genders of noun, female/male/neuter, and five declensions worth of endings in the nominatave, genitive, dative, accusative, and ablative cases, plus remnants of the locative and vocative cases. But once you know the rules, you know everything -- there are maybe a total of 5 exceptions to the rules in classical Latin.)

Anglo-Saxon, English's forebear, was inflected. That is, the endings of nouns were changed to reflect their purpose in the sentence. Inflected languages add precision to speech. You can play "telephone" in an inflected language and arise with fewer mutations than in a non-inflected language, because there is a sort of error-correction built into the language itself. If you mistake one word, the forms of the other words alert you to your error and let you correct it, which makes it easier to maintain cultural cohesion over long distances without benefit of instant communication. Some linguists have speculated that Indo-European had as many as 26 cases, and that a story told in India could reach Spain by word of mouth without little or no change.

On the other hand, the chaotic nature of English makes it a fantastic language for expressing yourself. There are so many words, borrowed for so many different cultures, with so many subtle shades of meaning. This fluidity of speech can tend to stimulate creativity, IMHO, as much as any language *can* stimulate the creation of wordless concepts. And, as a non sequitur, Frisian is English's closest living relative, spoken only along one coastal area of the Netherlands.

Every language has its own strengths -- and its own weaknesses. And we are losing too many languages, too many words, and the concepts that go with them. In Brazil, along the banks of the Amazon river, there is a language which is spoken without any labial consonants. It is the *only* language in the world without labial consonants, and it is dying. There are only 26 speakers of it left. That language is just one of thousands of dying languages. With every one of those languages that dies the breadth of human experience narrows a little more. And there is little, very little, we can do to stop it.

<End language stuff>

Argh, can't TGS hurry up? I'm dying of anticipation! <G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 01:39:23 PM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

Coyote > submission guidelines can be found at http://www.sabledrake.com ; they're due to be updated soon, maybe this weekend.

I had more to say but it slipped right out of my head ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 01:11:49 PM
IP: 33-ppp-a.tnt01.agis.net

Menessah, forget about Ninjitsu. First, the term Dojo is only for Karate, if I'm not mistaken, second, as far as I know, Ninjitsu is a dead art, third, Ninjitsu is the art of the Stealth Assassin. Movies like Turtles etc. portray ninjas as fierce warriors... this is utterly wrong. Ninjas would lurk in shadows, waiting patiently for their target to appear, and then attack from behind rather than engage in combat. A ninja was a poor fighter, as opposed to a master of Kung-Fu or Tae-Kwon-Do. I'd advise you to seek out a Tae-Kwon-Do Do-Jang instead.

Any errors are welcome to be corrected, though I doubt there are many. Still, I am not the expert, this is merely what I have been told by a friend with Blue Belt in Tae-Kwon-Do...

Well, there's candy waiting for me in the living room... catch ya later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 23, 1999 11:40:10 AM
IP: mp-217-230-77.daxnet.no

Anybody know when DA season 2 starts? That's my favorite one.
Warpmind likes Metallica? Cool. And did somebody say they liked Creed? They're a cool band, too. "One" is probably my favorite of theirs, but their new song is pretty cool.
Does anybody here know of any Ninjutsu Dojos? I've been wanting to study for a long time, but I can't find any.
Menessah
Saturday, October 23, 1999 10:46:57 AM
IP: filter.lds.net

Hi, y'all.

Pistoff: Congrats on your online home.

Zath: Wouldn't surprise me if you can handle more... but the real question is: Are they of any use in an ordinary conversation? (After all, few people bother to consider foul language as part of their vocabulary.)

Pogo: The English grammatical rules are astonishingly simple compared to German... and the grammatical layout in English is quite similar to Norwegian, as well. Norwegian is not a "case-sensitive" language like German, thus the construction of sentences is almost identical to English. By the way, we have three noun genders in Norway, as well... masculine, feminine and neutral. It's very easy to grasp, really. Particularly when you don't have to worry about the cases. In Norwegian, we also use the term "The Man", though in Norwegian words, of course. ;)
My personal belief is that should the German language die completely as a language around the millennium... it wouldn't be a great loss. No ill will toward Germany, mind you, only that gruesome language...

Menessah: Hey, another Metallica Man! Welcome aboard!

Sevarius Jr.: Hey, you happened to see the Blooper sequence in Rush Hour? Where Jackie Chan says "Hey, I speak English, and he can't even say three words in Chinese?" Oh, and to my knowledge, Jackie Chan speaks CANTONESE Chinese, not Mandarin... And I what I said was that he speaks about as well as most of my old classmates... but I'm a little better (brag) than the others. Of course, much due to fanfiction, untranslated books... (blushes slightly) imported pornography... um... well, I do read quality magazines of the sorts... I mean, who doesn't? (Okay, maybe not so many actually READ it, but still)... next question, please...

Pistoff again: Hey, one thing: If you want a few suggestions on HTML for your page, lemme know, eh? After all, I did all my own coding (except for the few Javascripts).

Well, gotta scoot.

Catch y'all alter, humans, gargoyles, fey and otherwise...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 23, 1999 08:12:36 AM
IP: mp-217-241-102.daxnet.no

Well everybody, I am happy, because #1 My friend Daniel, whom I haven't seen in a year, is up from Brazil and #2 I may get to see "Princess Mononoke" when it opens in Minneapolis. It opens on my birthday, and one of my pals is trying to organize a caravan of all my friends to drive there, see it, and then, well, party. Hot diggity!

Robby > Sorry, I don't have the specific name of that Monty Python "Intermission/End" music. Oh, well.

Pistoff > Wow, I like your site. Will we get a chance to see some of your non-fanfic writing? (hint, hint) But why are your pictures shot from below? We need a straight-on view of your lovely mug. BTW, I just finished inking a drawing of The Dude for you. Haven't seen "The Big Lebowski" for a while, but I think he looks all right...

This is a kinda interesting: I work as a part-time DJ/radio announcer. I went in yesterday to get my paycheck, and my superviser says, "Hey, Jessie, got a minute? I need you to sign your termination notice." I was like, "..._What_?" It turns out that the station was sold, and everyone was just being fired and rehired for some paperwork reason. I didn't know that, though; I couldn't figure out why I was being abruptly fired...until it was explained. ("Oh, that's right, you weren't at that meeting!") Dur.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 05:31:49 AM
IP: ctrts1-3.mrs.umn.edu

MIA> (Ah, well I hope that noone minds if I contribute something here) Actually (if I remember the episode correctly) I don't think Goliath ever saw the plane coming towards them. The string of coincidences would have ended one way or another with either both Goliath and Griff dead, or both Goliath and Griff in the 90s - even if Goliath stayed there history wouldn't have been altered. That's how I always saw the situation...
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 04:37:24 AM
IP: athe530-h001.otenet.gr

Jenna: From the way school looks on the news, it has changed alot since I left! (Class of 1996)

Kitania: <why do you want to know how to make an EMP device?>
Why not?

Zath: <Words cannot describe how low that was....>
Yeah... and they have the nerve to think that I will continue to do things for them!

Coyote: <Sue their asses off>
Who said they were my corporate lawyers? Let me ask you this: Is it illegeal to use copyrighted images for the cover of a for-profit catalog without permission and without paying royalties? They say that because they sell the product they can scan the front art for use as the cover page. (I can name at LEAST 2 events in the past week alone!)
ALTHOUGH, I would like to get the money for the photos. At least LM is going to use the copies in her portfolio, and she did get alot of Photoshop experience, so it wasn't a total waste.
<And even if it *is* a rant, it'll be nice to see LM in here again.>
I hope she can come in here soon. I'll tell her you said that. I think it might make her feel a little better.

Truth be told, they DID offer to pay $75... for both sets of photos (Both origionals were VERY badly damaged)... total of 6 8x10's AND 18 wallets.
We took that as an insult. When we told them the price we would charge, they said that they could get both done for a REDICULIOUSLY low price (The price they offered didn't cover materials. But they really expected us to do it for free. On an odd note, they didn't even TRY to get us to lower our price like they have always done in the past). We left. When we got home, we counted all of our photos, and we had 5 8x10's (I only printed 5) and *16* wallets. I KNOW I went there with 18.
And they STILL want me to work for them. I don't care how much they pay me. It's not worth it.
BTW... we arn't too mad about them not paying. If they just didn't pay, I may still work for them. But the fact that they TOOK 2 pictures is where I draw the line.
(NOTE: There is only ONE place where they could have been lost, and that was in his office. We checked everyplace in sight, and took all of the photos we saw.)

Everyone, thanks for your support. This may be a small setback, but we will not let this ruin this business.

Wilek: <Heh...you know, you'd make a great mad scientist. ;)>
Wait until you see the future of my company. <Evil Grin>
I have so many projects lined up and I have started to do some of the calculations and testing, so I WILL be able to do some of them.
And oh yes... they will be fun.

Robby: < I've stopped counting down to Dark Ages because so many people complained about it...>
Actually, I would like to see more cruel spoilers for Dark Ages. So I like to be cruel!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 02:54:04 AM
IP: 216.90.45.157

Wilek: (re: mosquito problems) I've heard that there's a severe cockroach problem in Hawaii. My boss told me that she's heard stories from a friend of hers who worked in a pizza place in Hawaii. The guy said there were roaches EVERYWHERE. The things would even crawl into empty pizza boxes. They'd have to dump 'em out of the boxed before putting a pizza into 'em. They couldn't even throw the boxes away and fold new ones, because it would be filled with roaches before the pizza could be cut and placed in the box. O_O (Re: David Lynch directing "Jedi") Oh lordy, that was a close call! I'll give the guy's films points for weirdness, but that's about all.

Jaden: <<Did you ever think that all those near death experiences that happened to Goliath happened just so he would return to the present and bring Griff with him?>> Yeah, that's definitely one possibility. As is the thought that the same string of near-fatal incidents might've ended after the plane crash. As you said, there are lots of possibilities.

T.J.: <<In the (rather unlikely) event that I didn't make my feelings clear yesterday, I think that bringing Asrial back at any point would be a mistake.>> Um, yeah, we saw your comment. "Kill the bitch." Some of us agree, and some of us don't. She wouldn't necessarily play the same role as Lexington, since Lex seems to be more into the "inner" stuff like programming, while Asrial likes to build things. *shrugs* The way I'm playing it in my ficverse is that they're opposite sides of the same coin, Lex handles the software and Asrial ("Cornelia" in G2K) takes care of the hardware end of things. It just seems like a logical way for them to team up, and if the TGS staff bring her back (which I honestly doubt, but it's fun to speculate anyway), I don't think her presence would "take away" from stories about other characters. In fact, it'd be fun to see Liz's reaction to Asrial if she appeared and teamed up with Lex... ;)

Delphi: <<Never hold a dust buster and a cat at the same time.>> That one had me ROTFL for a solid five minutes. :)

Doug: Glad you're feeling better, and thanks for the good luck wishes. I'm slowly getting things straightened out IRL...but then I wasted two days getting that website put together when I should've been reading fics or writing. But when I get started on a project like that, and it keeps failing, it just makes me all the more determined to make it work. Even if it's just spite...even if it's nothing more than a refusal to admit defeat. Don't Let the Bastards Win. Anyway, now that it's working and I got the hang of the Cool Page program, I won't have to stay up all night working on the damn thing. ;) "Hmm...sleep? What's that?" Things are smoothing out, though, and with luck, you'll be getting feedback soon. :) As for our next fic, things are beginning to start rolling again, hopefully it'll be done in 2 or 3 more weeks. Also, be watching out for "Vacuum Riders" in the next Avalon Mists. :D

Taleweaver: Good point about the "Asrial AI" subject. No matter how memories of her used in the AI's creation, it still wouldn't be a true "copy" of her...and without her mind/consciousness/soul--or whatever you want to call it--it just wouldn't be *her.* If something like this were created, the whole clan would probably find it dreadfully depressing because it would remind them of a loved one who is long gone...which in itself would make an interesting story... ;)

jewel: Your job sounded really $h!tty. Congrats on turning in your two-week notice. :) Sorry about the dilemma with your big brother and the other job offer. Whatever you decide to do, we all wish you the best of luck. :)

Christine: Sabledrake Magazine? YAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!! *begins searching hard drive and file cabinets...*

Warp: <<A thought occured to me: What if it's true? All things considered, each and every one of us could be stuck in a small tank of fluid right now, and just THINK we're sitting in front of computers.>> I've had the same thought, off and on, since I saw The Matrix. If this really is true, I'd like to have a chat with the @$$hole programmer who decided to put me in this series of freaky delivery jobs.... *cracks knuckles* Oh, and I loved your creativity demon about Asrial missing the massacre because she was working on a project...

Hey, that kinda gives me an idea. Kinda far-fetched, but what the hell. Suppose Asrial somehow...maybe she found some alien artifacts (possibly left behind by some of Nokkar's people)...or whatever...but suppose she somehow built...a time machine? Oh boy...I *definitely* need to get some sleep. ;)

Zath: Interesting comments about how the clan might react if they were all brought forward. I admit I haven't done a whole lot with that in my series, other than to mention that the Elders are really grumpy about it and would rather be back "home." So far, many of them are adjusting pretty well...but imagine the Elder's reaction the first time they saw The Dude wearing a shirt with the words "ROLL A FAT ONE TODAY" printed on it. ;) Anyway, as I mentioned the other day, gaining citizenship is bringing on a whole lot of new problems and responsibilities. And some, who are being forced to attend high school, are *really* disgusted.... *evil grin*

Deuce: Good to see ya in here again. :) Sorry about your RL problems and failing French. I hope you get things worked out soon. :)

Jannie: Ack! Sorry about the insurance premium thing... :( *hugs*

Jenna: That thing about the kid who was killed--despicable, shocking and disappointing. I graduated from high school almost 8 years ago, and things weren't nearly that bad then. :( Thanks for the compliments on the website. Yeah, I'm planning to put my fanfics on the site, and some other stuff, when I get around to it. No "original" stories, though, since Xoom has terms that are similar to what Geocities recently did, claiming everything you put on your site is their property as soon as it's posted, etc. So I'll just have my fics on my site.

Which reminds me...last time, I forgot to mention that the site also has an "about me" page. There's a graphic on that one that's quite amusing, I think.... *g*

Aaron: Thanks! :D

Zath again: Thanks to you, too. :) Steve, eh? Hmmm...no, not that I know of. But then, I don't think I know about *all* of my relatives, so you never know. ;)

FS & LM: ACK!! They didn't pay--AND stole the photos? They deserve no mercy! Rip 'em a new orifice!

Coyote: (re: Asrial's cybernetic adjustments) Thanks. *bows* :) Now that I'm thinking about that...I'll have to arrange for Cornelia to use that line some time in the future. ;)

Robby: Thanks. :) And I agree with you about vampires. *snores* :P

Blue Caeru: <<You don't look like what I thought you would look like (no offense intended).>> None taken. :) Heh, it's nice to know that I can surprise people on occasion. ;) That's what's nifty about the Net--you can get to know people without having the outer shell getting in the way. Here, we have to pay attention to what's being said because it's all just text on a screen--where IRL people's appearences--and other people's prejudices) often get in the way. That's one of the reasons I love the Net. :)

Wilek: Glad you like the site. :) It has a definite "do-it-yourself" look, like stuff just kinda thrown against the wall. And I'll enjoy writing out and posting those stupid customer stories as much as you'll enjoy reading them. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 02:01:51 AM
IP: wire-16.koalas.com

Sorry for the quite unnecessary 2X post, but...

DC is apparently quite the masochist. When I hit Submit, I was greeted with a 'Connection to the server was reset' message, of which I've seen hundreds lately for no apparent reason. I almost hit submit again, before a disturbance in the Force led me to check the CR. My post had submitted anyhow, despite the error message, and I wouldn't have seen it unless I'd checked. So I almost submitted that rather large post twice in a row. Sick, that. <GRRRRRRR>

And it just happened again...
Wilek
Saturday, October 23, 1999 01:16:08 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Sorry everyone..just got back from a football game and I'm kind of tired... will write tomorrow.. (pleasent dreams)

JOE BOXER
Saturday, October 23, 1999 01:06:57 AM
IP: spider-tn022.proxy.aol.com

**A SMALLISH BIT OF DELECTABLE RP STUFF IS COMING AT YOU!**

[The Administrator comes within earshot of the exchange between Phalanx Prime and SJ...Admin (thinking): ~The new leader of the Phalanx is the clone of Sevarius Jr.? Strange...what, then, has become of the original Prime...?~]

**PAUSE RP!**

Anyone here seen Antz? Interesting little movie. Much better than A Bug's Life IMHO...

Fire Storm> <<Oh boy, do LM and I have a Rant! You all know the photos she was working on? (you should... I ranted enough about it.) Not only did they not pay, but they stole two copies from us.>> What...?!! <GRR> A joyride *is* too merciful. So, for that matter, are lawyers, but it's the most one can do IRL...unless...hm...<<BTW... does anyone have any guesses on how to make a non-nuclear EMP grenade? All of the ideas for EMP pulse weaponry that I can think of (and have it actually work) call for the device to be quite large and use up more power than my house. ALSO, does anyone know how to focus radio waves? Based on the previous question. (A magnetic field just won't work, though.)>> Heh...you know, you'd make a great mad scientist. ;)

Scott Iskow> <<This marked the first time that a whirled Ceres was held with a double-header.>> That joke should be taken out and shot. :P

Jenna> News> <shudder> This kind of thing is why I keep a healthy distance from RL as much as possible. I haven't watched the news in quite a while, and when I watch any news other than the weather (or perhaps ZDTV) it tends to scare me to death. <<Right now, home schooling looks better and better, and this from someone who thought she would never say it.>> Do it. I have a friend who's been to both public and private schools, and he has horror stories about both that have given me nightmares.

Jewel> Good luck with the interview! :)

Pistoff> Rather kewl site. I think I'm going to *really* enjoy the customer stories. >;)

Coyote> <<I also feel for ya because my mom just got downsized today.>> Oh no! :( That always stinks. Best of luck to her finding a new job. <<As much as I hate to admit it ... there's also a current pop song that gives me chills when I hear a particular chord progression in it. **whimpers, thinking of the room's potential reaction** Unfortunately, the song is Ricky Martin's "She's All I Ever Had.">> Ah well, not even his music can be purely and uniformly awful. :)

Music that affects me> Often (although not exclusively), my tastes run to music that speaks to something dark and strange somewhere in my mind, something that makes me feel sinister, or in the presence of something ancient and evil, or at least awe-inspiring. Most Disney villains' themes, the soundtrack to The Hunchback Of Notre Dame, the Omen soundtracks, Duel Of The Fates, much of Danny Elfman's music, some of the Blair Witch Project soundtrack, a bit of the Simpsons soundtrack, that kind of thing. (Although Latin music can be nice if it's done *just* right; Senor Burns from the aforementioned Simpsons album and the Gerudo theme from Zelda 64 are great. ^_^)

Robby> <<I'm more of a werewolf person myself...>> The doggies can be fun, can't they. :) There's a lot more comedic potential with them than with vampires for some reason...why did I immediately think of that...

Blue Caeru> Well, there's a pic of Kitainia at Coyote's site, and there are a few pics of me and Miriam at my site (at my name link and quite recently updated, if I may plug shamelessly). :)

$SJ> <<Now, if you could, perhaps you'd like for the Administrator and the others to join Prime....things are afoot! ;)>> Will do! ^_^ Oh, when would you like Hodge done away with? >:)$

**RESUME RP!**

[The Administrator orders the team following her, "Follow. Watch. Tend to SJ if he is injured, but do not otherwise interfere unless you are summoned." With that, she strides into the chamber where the Phalanx Prime, SJ's clone, is about to finish off his master print, and taunts him, "You never were one for subtlety." The Phalanx leader turns to face his old enemy. "Ah...so you've decided to show your face, 'my Queen'? I'm impressed; usually you send your mindless lackies to do your dirty work." Admin: "I am known as the Administrator now." Prime: "You've had more names than this place has bricks; you can't expect me to keep track." Admin: "You will leave here, and take your pathetic remnant forces with you, or you will be assimilated." Prime: "Is that all you bunch of soulless paper-pushers know how to say? Your Node has always lacked willpower, backbone, initiative. It's what comes of destroying your inductees' individuality, I suppose. The Phalanx are on the verge of taking this world, while your anemic 'True Borg' are sitting about in some puny space station, waiting for the end--which we will bring about, shortly after claiming this planet..."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, October 23, 1999 01:05:03 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

***BEGIN RP***
SJ felt numb. He had finally reached the control center of the Sphinx, ready to face the Phalanx leader, Phalanx Prime. This one battle was the culmination of weeks of searching for his father...and just when it seemed as if he could possibly prevail and rescue his father, the unexpected happens.
Like, for instance, the main bad guy having your face.
"A bit confused, are you?" Prime sneered. Kari, behind SJ, gasped as she made it back to her feet and glanced at her enemy. "Perhaps I should explain, for your benefit."
"Two..." SJ stammered. "But, y-you're dead..."
"Yes and no," Prime laughed viciously. "You see, I *was* dead. But I'm better now." With that, he backhanded SJ brutally, sending the scientist falling to the floor. He received a swift kick in the ribs. As Kari came to his defense, Prime extended his arm into a long, serpentine appendage and aimed a blow at the young warrior. Before she could react, he connected with her stomach, leaving her gasping on the floor.
Prime moved over to SJ, and slammed his fist into the young hero's jaw. "You see, you did leave me to die. After that Frankenstein abomination broke my neck, you ejected me into the cold recesses of space. But I wasn't quite dead yet. I drifted aimlessly for god knows how long until the Phalanx found me....and merged with me. Now I lead them. And momentarily, I will lead this planet."
SJ rammed himself into Prime's midsection with a hard tackle, but it had little effect on the villain. Prime brought his elbow down, slamming it in between SJ's shoulder blades.
***END RP***

WIlek: Yep, part one of my little surprise, but more will be explained soon! :) Now, if you could, perhaps you'd like for the Administrator and the others to join Prime....things are afoot! ;)

Coyote: Yeah, the guy who runs the Two-Handed Candy site must have a great sense of humor ;) If you look closely, you'll see that the "This is not a joke" blinks off--except for the not (leaving, as you said, "This is a joke"). It's a total parody site. Like that "RPG are evil" article? The author is really an avid gamer, and has been playing AD&D for years. ;)

Warpmind: Really! English is that easy? I wish you could tell that to a few more people who live in my country. I mean, I'm all for the American dream and a melting pot society, but I see a lot of folks in my area who have no clue as to what English is....I swear, I don't mean to prejudicial or anything, but there's this one shopping market where I live, and it's like buying groceries in the freakin' United Nations. I have no problem with a multicultural society, but I'd like for once to have a cashier that at leasts speaks my language. For convenience sake, at least.
As for Jackie Chan speaking English well.....hmm, don't know if I can agree with you there....I love the little guy, but his diction could use a little work. Of course, I'm not likely to be spouting off any Mandarin Chinese in the near future myself ;)

Kitiana: Hope you enjoy "Bringing Out the Dead". It's getting good reviews, even though lots of critics are claiming its boring. I sorta gathered that from Nic Cage's interviews....I'm sorry, he's a talented actor and all, but I can't get through this guy talking. No energy whatsoever. Why can't they send the energetic actors to promote films? Send Ving Rhames for crying out loud, at least he talks like he has a thought in his head!

Zath: Ah, Simon and Hecubus were some of my favorites too (along with the Chicken Lady and Buddy ;)
Simon: Hecubus, have you seen "Presumed Innocent"?
Hecubus: Yes, master! And his wife did it!
Simon: But Hecubus, I haven't seen the movie yet! EVIL! EEEEEVIL!!! ;)

Chilling music: Usually music that has a lot of emotion in it works for me. This can range from all different kinds of genres. Stuff like Tori Amos, the occasionally religious symbolism of Creed ("Human Clay" is a GREAT album), Live (great new album too), even the often intense rage of Nine Inch Nails....I can't really list all of them. Some artists are more moving than others.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:19:30 AM
IP: 207-172-117-106.s106.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

****** continuation of the Demon of Procrastination RP (finally) *****
~ during the battle ~
*thwack thwap thwack* Sweating, Blue Caeru strikes the Demon of Procrastination with her bo several times in succession across the face. He staggers back, clutching the fountain pen still embedded in his chest. Caeru isn't sure how much longer she can keep it up; perhaps she had underestimated him. Then again, she hasn't had a chance yet to use the Slayer weapons Mandolin had so kindly left in the room. She kicks him in the abdomen and ruefully wonders how many times scenes like this have appeared in the movies. The Demon stumbles to the floor but leaps back up on his feet and swipes his tail.

"Hey!" Caeru gasps as she lands on her back, hard. "Since when did you have a tail?!"

"_All_ greater demons have tails!" he says with a rumbling laugh, "And I can _definitely_ be considered a greater demon, if I do say so myself." He casually places a clawed foot on Caeru to keep her from getting back up. Then wincing a little, he pulls out the fountain pen from his chest and preens, checking his hair and the condition of his scales. Disbelieving what she is seeing, Caeru just rolls her eyes and lies very still - for the moment anyway.
~ TBC ~
***** end RP for now *****

Greetings everyone, I hope you are all having a good Friday evening. :-)

Pistoff> The site looks promising. You don't look like what I thought you would look like (no offense intended). Not that I really have a clear image in my head of what everyone here looks like (except for a few exceptions like Kaioto and Lexy whose pics I've seen). But I guess that happens all the time with people on the Net. <:-)

Jewel> Eek, I hope things work out for you soon. :-P

Language: My friend said she read somewhere that French was the easiest foreign language to learn. I don't know if I agree though because I'm taking it right now and don't find it terribly easy - I also have trouble with pronunciation. Still have to take another course next semester. :-P

Firestorm and Lady M.> Ack, I think they need to be sued. :-(

Jenna> That is depressing. :-( I've often wondered whether or not I want children, and there are 2 things that make me say no: I don't think I would be a good mother (kids annoy me sometimes!) and society just seems so bad now.

Delphi> I agree with the thought of the day!

Beerbellies> I don't mind if it's a small one. It's actually kind of cute in some guys and makes them seem more huggable (as opposed to just a solid mass of muscle - that just seems more cold and impersonal to me). *l* As long as the guy doesn't look pregnant. I just don't see any point in always expecting potential mates to have the perfect body that is always being shoved in our faces by the media. Down with the double standard too.
*gets off the soapbox*
I'll shut up now.
Blue Caeru
Friday, October 22, 1999 10:52:05 PM
IP: spider-wd072.proxy.aol.com

Busy, busy, busy. Between my mentorship, TGS, school, and an annoying thing called sleep, I have no free time anymore!

Lets see... I've given up counting down to Mononoke since its release is going to be lame at best, and I've stopped counting down to Dark Ages because so many people complained about it... So what does that leave... Oh, I know...

21 DAYS UNTIL THE POKEMON MOVIE!

Jessie Feff- Um, if you know the more accurate title for the Monty Python intermission I might be able to, but as it is, my searches can't find it.

Aaron- Linda Hamilton as the terminator? WOrks for me.

Deuce- Failing French eh? Better than failing English...

Vampires- Personally, I've always found them boring. I'm more of a werewolf person myself...

Aperson not to be confused with Ape person- Thats the Beauty and the Beast intro pretty exactly... For both the movie and Broadway version... Ah, the broadway version was so dang cool...

SJ- Heh, I'd wondered just the other night what ever happened to your clone...

Scott- Hey, nice play on words! I haven't heard a good pun like that in some time.

Christine- James Earl Jones is signed on for Star Wars three eh? Gee, guess he'll be playing Jar Jar...

Pistoff- Neat page...

Hmm, not much else to say. SO I guess its RP time...

**RP HERE**

Jim's Clone and Black Tiger, (Who's the son of the original Jim) have been fighting the remade cyber smurf in the last few minutes even though I haven't written that part... And even though this cyber smurf has only one tenth the power of the original, its still more than capable of hurting them. Jim's super speed and Black Tiger's armor help, but not enough...
"ALl right," Black Tiger starts, "If we can't use the spirit bombm we gotta use our other biggest gun..." Pulling his arms back and holding his palms together, BT yells out. "KAME! AMEH! HAAAAAAAA!!!!" A large blue fire beam blasts straight into the smurf and slams it into the wall. The smurf groans in pain, and it is suffering from a large dent.
Then, as the three battle, the walls begin to shift from the yellow Phalanx coloration to the black of the borg.
"Hmm, it seems the Phalanx are losing a battle," the smurf comments. "Very well then, it is time to leave and return to my ORIGINAL creator."
"Original creator?" Black Tiger asks.
"Yes. Out in space, there is a great one... He created the original cyber smurf... And the cyber smurf was his tenth most powerful troop..."
"TENTH most powerful? But the original form of you was dang near unstoppable..."
"Scary thought ain't it? Now, I suggest you go help your friends..." The smurf smiles as he teleports away...
Robby
Friday, October 22, 1999 10:08:54 PM
IP: spider-wa043.proxy.aol.com

I have a few songs that send chills down my spine, but usually they pump me up and make me want to hit something. Metallica "Of Wolf and Man" really does that to me, "Unforgiven" does the same thing, too.
That's the kind of music I usually listen too, but I mostly like music that makes me remember, and makes me feel sort of introspective.
On a completely different note, I had a very strange substitute teacher today. He kept calling everybody things like Chuckles, or Blondie, but mostly just boy and girl. He wasn't very nice, either.
What's that about a Jar Jar love doll?(shudder) Some people.
Menessah
Menessah - [holymage@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 22, 1999 09:28:39 PM
IP: filter.lds.net

Whew ... been a while ... haven't had much to say. :)

Jar Jar sex toy: Yeesh ... those people need to find a much *better* use of their free time ... and as for the "Two-Handed Candy" page, is it just a little defeating of its purpose if they repeatedly put "THIS IS NOT A JOKE!" at the bottom of the page, but the background says "THIS *IS* A JOKE"?
**reads further on SJ's post** Oh, so it actually *is* a joke. I get it. :)

Asrial: As I'm on staff, I'm not at liberty to say anything ... except that Pissy's scene making adjustments on the cyborg Asrial had me LMSAO. :)

Skippy, re: "The Omega Code": Thank GAWD the closest theater to me showing this cinematic crapola is in Ohio!! :)

Fire Storm: See, that's what I get for jumping to conclusions because of domain names. I saw "Top Flite" and immediately thought golf balls as opposed to model planes. My mistake, mea culpa.
And real bummer about the pictures. Sue their asses off, they're not honoring their part of the contract, man.
(Tell the truth, though, I also feel for ya because my mom just got downsized today. :( )
And even if it *is* a rant, it'll be nice to see LM in here again. :)

Wilek. re: music: As much as I hate to admit it ... there's also a current pop song that gives me chills when I hear a particular chord progression in it. **whimpers, thinking of the room's potential reaction** Unfortunately, the song is Ricky Martin's "She's All I Ever Had." **ducks inevitable produce tossing**

Karlyl: Hey, welcome aboard! :)

Jewel, re: job offers: Man, that's really gotta suck. :P

Christine, re: Sabledrake: Ifn's ya got submission guidelines drawn up, mind sending a copy my way? :)

Scott Iskow: **falls on floor writhing in pain** Bad joke ... VERY bad joke ... send that joke to bed without supper!!! :)

And on that note ... I shall return later.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 22, 1999 06:11:59 PM
IP: modem80.i-is.com

Warpmind> Wow, English is that easy compared to German? I guess I think of English as difficult because of all the "exceptions to rules" -- rules of pronunciation, grammar, etc. I studied German in school for many years, though I never went to Germany except as part of a short vacation ... and the only really hard part for me was the difficulty of having three genders for nouns (not two, as in French .. oh no, THREE!) ... coupled with the fact that each gender and "case" (nominative, accusative, dative, genitive) takes a different ending. Is Norwegian the same (as German)? See, by contrast, in English, we just say THE MAN, but in German, in can be der Mann, den Mann, (von) dem Mann, or des Mann(e)s ... depending on the case.

(I know Norway sits just north of Germany, but that is the extent of my "vast" knowledge.) Thanks for the insight.
Pogo
Friday, October 22, 1999 05:02:16 PM
IP: fwnt.dorseylaw.com

kitainia> Actually that is prettty much the way Buffy vampires are handled. i think the way they handle them is that it is a soul that lets us fight off our darker natures and deafeat demonic inluenses. Also blood is like an addiction. A person may start out nice but get them hooked on crack and how long do they stay nice? How long till they do anything till thier next fix? Some yea can fight the urge, but the majority give in. A see vampirism the same way.

yet who would want to be a Clasic vamp like in buffy. i mean come on when is Xander gonna get a clue and buy a super soaker and go nuts? i mean can't you just see Xander in fatigues covered with water ballons with a giant super soaker backpack! Come to think of it Dusk to Dawn is the only movie or book were some one has done that. Well mabey lost boys but they needed beter equipment then what the used.
ironwolf
Friday, October 22, 1999 04:50:22 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-147.cha.bellsouth.net

Fire Storm and LM> <<Not only did they not pay, but they stole two copies from us.>> WHAT?!? Words cannot describe how low that was....

jenna> <<I was like "What!!!!" When I was in middle school that type of crap was unthinkable-->> Yeah, I was just watching the news last night and one of the local high schools had a fight involving something like 200 kids, and cops with riot gear had to be brought in. The reporter may have mentioned something about the SWAT team too, but at that point my roommates were making so much noise I couldn't hear.

Warpmind> <<most people estimate their grasp of foreign language way too low... the think they can handle 10000 words, and they're really comfortable with 15000>> Does that mean that since I think I know about 100 words of Spanish (after taking it for 7 years), I actually know 150? : P

pistoff> <<my website is finally up.>> I like the page, but that picture of you looks so much like my RA it's scary... You don't happen to have an identical twin brother named Steve do you? : )

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Friday, October 22, 1999 04:47:34 PM
IP: ppp-225-078.usc.edu

Hey, cool page. Congratulations on getting it up and running.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, October 22, 1999 03:53:08 PM
IP: ppp-66.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Pist off-- nice set up-- think the page will be great--like the fan art section. You gonna put up your work (ie writing) up-- fan and otherwise?

jenna
Friday, October 22, 1999 03:39:03 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Just a quick announcement, real post later.

Well, I finally did it. Been wanting to do this for over a year, but didn't get around to it until a couple of days ago. After much trial and error (emphasis on *error*), my website is finally up. I tried about a dozen servers, and they all failed in one way or another (a few deleted my account minutes after it was opened, AcmeCity just plain sucks, and Freeservers wouldn't let me upload anything, etc). So I finally set one up at Xoom, and I'll be damned, it actually works. *blinks*

The site is pretty simplistic...in fact, in many ways it's pathetic...but I'm new at this, and at this point I'm more concerned with getting the damned thing to work, rather than making it look good. I'll spiff it up later. For now, it has a main page, a photo album, a links page, and an art gallery of pictures drawn for me and Denis by Bapgoyle, Christi Hayden Smith, Zath, Jessie Feff, and Tana McCarthy. More stuff will be added later, as time permits.

Clickie clickie! :)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Friday, October 22, 1999 03:25:34 PM
IP: wire-8.koalas.com

Hi, y'all. Woulda been here yestereve, but I was unfortunately unable... and now for replies.

Jaden: Your educational problems stand as an example of today's educational standards... good luck in the future, for you will sorely need it...

Celano: Yeah, well, speak for yourself... some humans may have beer guts, but I prefer to stay somewhat slim, thank you. (Point taken, though.)

Karlyl: Welcome to our little world of madness (or is it group intellect?) where we purify the Homo Neophilius. Or whatever I'm talking about.

Asrial: *Puffs up like a toad* Hah! I knew that was a good idea. And just think of the potential!

Sevarius Jr. on English: I am from Norway, and, thus, English is my second language. And, quite frankly, English is a LOT easier to learn than for instance German (due to its gross grammatical grotesqueness), which is directly RELATED to Norwegian. And not to brag, but I met a chap from Manchester a few weeks ago... he stated that I speak Oxford English. Granted, I am above the National Average for Norway when it comes to lingual ability, but still... Ah, well, English is one of the easiest languages to learn, due to its simple grammatical system, compared to many others... just look at Jackie Chan, he's Chinese, and his grasp of English equals that of many with whom I've studied... most people estimate their grasp of foreign language way too low... the think they can handle 10000 words, and they're really comfortable with 15000... ah, well, I'm ranting, so I'd better find the next subject.

Aperson: I know how you feel about the Disney films, friend...

Fire Storm: They used an EMP in Small Soldiers... wasted a transformer, or something (and I'm not talking about those robots, guys) to create the pulse... and on a side note, I used an EMP gun in one of my fics... but enough about my work...

Scott: *Sighs at the joke* Hooboy... Greek gods never cease to amuse, do they?

Jenna: I ceased watching news years ago... they always depressed me, and that threw off the rest of my day.

Well, catch ya later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, October 22, 1999 02:52:51 PM
IP: mp-217-240-9.daxnet.no

Warning! This is a good-for-nothing ad! I am going to auction a Gargoyles cel off on Ebay next week. It's from the original Awakenings series. I am also going to *give* a *SIGNED SCRIPT* of Awakenings to the person who buys the cel. This message will not be repeated. For more info, follow my URL: http://members.xoom.com/Heartwisp/gindex.html
Pegasia - [Pegasia@aol.com]
LA, CA, USA
Friday, October 22, 1999 02:39:31 PM
IP: spider-wa082.proxy.aol.com

**RP HERE**

On the Avatar of Ganon, Janice Ripowski lies unconscious on a medical exam table, various tubes and other devices draining the Phalanx contamination from her body as the three Ravens who brought her in look on. "Can you save her, Doctor?" Tom asks the Avatar medical staff standing nearby. "Please tell me yes." The Wookie who leads the Avatar's medical staff shrugs and growls something. A human standing next to her translates. "She says we're doing our best. However, we've never worked with such a case before. Taking the Phalanx contamination out may save her, or kill her. Until the procedure's over, we won't know." Tom sighs and turns away, pressing his face against the glass between them and Janice. "It's gotta save her. It has to. She has to live!" Keith raises an eyebrow and looks at Elena. The Mexican girl shakes her head. "We obviously can't do anything else for her," she sighs. "Come on, let's go back down and help the others." "Yeah," Keith agrees. "They probably need us. I'll ask Agent Rho for a situation update before we go down to make sure. Coming, Tom?" Tom does not reply and continues watching through the glass. Keith and Elena look at each other and nod, deciding to leave him. They then walk out to find Agent Rho, hoping their friends on Earth are doing alright.

Said friends are of course currently still fighting the Omega Weapon and having significant trouble with it. "What is going on here?" Lathrop asks, throwing several fireballs that barely dent the beast's hide. "Usually by now our opponents fall down!" "He's right!" Jammer shouts, firing his MAG rifle and grimacing as it only scratches Omega Weapon's skin. "What's the problem with this thing?" "Lighten up!" yells Tricia. "At least it's not still regenerating." "And we're going to take a lot of time killing it anyway," points out Erin. "In the game, this thing has like 1.7 million HP." "1.7 million?" Doug drops his jaw. "Calm down, Doug," Kit tells him. "We've taken care of stronger things." The Taco Bell dog laughs just then, and hits the Ravens with a minor earthquake and then right after it a small tornado, followed by bolts of lightning in each of them as they continue to scratch its armored form. Orion quickly fires off a white wind cure spell, healing the Ravens' injuries as they all get back to their feet and resume fighting back.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Greetings. Felt it time to post, so I'm doing so. :) Hope you all have had a good week, mine was alright. I'm looking more forward to the upcoming weekend of course. On to comments and replies.

Jewel: You're welcome for the explanation. Have fun with your move (hope it's to the right place) or with the new job if you decide to take it instead. And if you do kill someone over Princess Mononoke, please do us a favor and make sure it's someone who's getting poetic justice and deserves to die. (Maybe the guy most responsible for keeping it out of so many theaters would be best. :)

Buffy and Angel: Good eps of both of those two nights ago, mostly because Spike was in them (he's such a good villain to watch, most of my favorite Buffy episodes have him involved). Liked the love themes in the first one (though I agree with Doug about Buffy's new relationship being more than a little wrong. Xander and Anya were thankfully also in there and much more interesting, enjoyable, and well-written :) and the "should I become invincible?" plot in the second (particularly enjoyed Angel's reaction to seeing the sun). Everything else about the eps, both good and bad, has already been said. <mutters something about coming in late>

Oh well, at least I can be the first to comment about last night's new Action episode. It was okay, good development on Adam. I hope he enjoys his new agent. :) The ep was also funny, though I didn't laugh at seeing Peter in trouble trying to build an image he shouldn't have to that doesn't fit him at all. <sighs> His speech to Congress was very memorable and true. It was most of the reason I enjoyed this ep. 7/10, thumbs up most of the time (especially at the beginning). That's all I have to say about that.

Spike: Glad you enjoyed my creativity demon, and were able to put some good twists on it. I hope you do write a story with the idea, though of course you don't have to. :) Hope to see some more work from you in the upcoming new season of TGS.

Christine: Congrats on getting Sabledrake Magazine off the ground. Make sure you let us know where to find the first issue (when it's ready)! :)

Buffy Vampires: I don't like them being all evil either. The way Doug treats them in his stories "Slayer Senshi" and "Beneath the Streets" is IMO a much better way to look at it. For those who don't know, in there vamps are all still individuals when they get turned, but they also get a "bloodlust demon" inside them who the vast majority are unable to control. Thus it takes over and they become motivated to fulfill its needs, in the process losing restraint and giving in to their various dark sides. Some few vampires are able to control their demon and remain with human motivation and emotion, but they aren't very numerous (and as the development on one of them proves, you can stay human as a vampire and still be a bad guy). This is much more realistic and enjoyable than the whole "demons taking over our bodies" bit, at least I think so. And it works with Whedon's image too, which like SJ said by the way is still very enjoyable, even with the anti-vampire discrimination and monotonous demon villains. :)

SJ: $ Thanks for the great RP surprise! I was wondering when you were going to bring back SJ2. :) $ Glad you understood about Fight Club. I liked the movie, except for the parts I mentioned. As I said, Project Mayhem was interesting at first, but it would have been more so if they'd written more of the transition to it from Fight Club. And the Twist of course ruined it. <sighs> Oh well.

Firestorm, LM: Sorry about what happened with the photos. Hope you are able to take some sweet revenge. :) As for EMP, I don't know anything about it myself, but our friend Tom might (he's taken some electrical engineering courses). Out of curiousity, why do you want to know how to make an EMP device?

That's all for now, I have to get on to my next class before seeing Bringing Out the Dead tonight. Later!

**RP AGAIN**

"Damn!" Jaden rants, hitting the Omega Weapon's leg with his axe and not even wounding it. "How long is it going to take this thing to die?" "Too long!" Stephanie shouts, trying to slash open its left side with her sword and immediately getting thrown off by the beast's hand. "This stinks," Doug growls. "Even without Phalanx regeneration power, we still can't seriously wound this thing. And if it hits us with those powerful magic spells again..." "I know," Gubio nods. "In the game it comes from the only way to beat this thing is with patience and perserverance. That and lots of really powerful desperation attacks, the like of which we don't have." "We'll have to use what we do have then!" Shap shouts, dodging another of the Weapon's laser beams. "Come on, people give this thing all you got!" They nod and keep fighting the Omega Weapon as it attacks them, hoping to defeat it soon.

**THIS BIT OF RP ENDS**
Kitainia
Friday, October 22, 1999 12:57:45 PM
IP: pool-207-205-150-39.dlls.grid.net

Sorry to sound the downer people

Jewel-- glad your going to the interview--if you didn't you might have always wondered "what if". Good luck-- hope what ever is best for you happens.
jenna
Friday, October 22, 1999 12:25:56 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Life's little insanities: I called one of the job places that e-mailed me. They want to set up an interview next week. I'm actually going to go on it, just to see. If they do offer me a job, and I have access to all of the webdesign tools I'd need to help out my big brother (who, BTW, would be paying me by giving me a roof over my head, and I'd have to get a parttime job to pay off student loans,hospital bills, and the my car), I'll take it--only because it would save him having to buy all the *really expensive* programs I would need to do his page. That, and I've been guilted ito giving this area something more of a chance by friends who are only a few hours away when I'm here, but many many many hours away in Georgia. Arg. I'll see. Manybe they won't offer me the job, and the decision will be made more me. Excuse me, if I have to rip out some hair...

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Friday, October 22, 1999 12:12:20 PM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

12 manifesto-- meant 12 page manifesto
jenna again
Friday, October 22, 1999 12:10:43 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Scott- liked the joke- cute

I think I'm gonna have to swear off the news for a while- the stuff I've heard is awful-- I mean, really bad. We had a kid here in HOuston stab another kid threw the skull with a screwdriver- the kid died--13 years old and honor student, clean kid. (the one who died)

And then there is the friend of the kids in Colorado who said he was gonna finish the job-- and they arrested him on Terroristic Threats-- had a map complete with entire lay outs, plans of how to kill as many people as possible, and a 12 manifesto. Scary, Scary--s$it.

I wasn't in High school that long ago- 7 yrs at the most-- god, has it changed that much?

the school commisioner of the Houston where the kid was killed was bragging about how crime rates went down in the school district, talking about how sexual assault rates were down. I was like "What!!!!" When I was in middle school that type of crap was unthinkable--

Last night my husband and I got to talking about when we have children, what are we going to do? Right now, home schooling looks better and better, and this from someone who thought she would never say it. I haven;t decided, and probally wont for some time-- but man, this type of violence done by those who are little more than children, makes my hair stand on end. Granted kids have always been used as soldiers and such, ect, but this is during peace time.

anyway, decided to do some research on the matter-

Servarus Jr-- thanks for the link
jenna
Friday, October 22, 1999 12:09:49 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Scott > ROFL! Love it!

Book news > this is fun; in addition to the Northwest Book Fest (clickie), I've been invited to a signing and reception at the UW Bookstore Nov. 30.

Star Wars > they said on the radio recently that James Earl Jones said he would appear (well, vocally, you know what I mean) in Episode 3 ... and also that he personally favored the idea of Leonardo as Anakin ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, October 22, 1999 11:40:56 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

A friend of mine sent me this joke:

The scene was Mount Olympus, where Bacchus, the Greek god of wine, had thrown a party for a pair of visiting Roman deities-Ceres, the goddess of agriculture, and Janus, the two-faced god of doors and beginnings. Everyone overdid it, more or less. Ceres at one point was staggering and turning in circles; Janus, equally submerged, was trying to dance with her. Bacchus feared that the pair might fall over, so he went to steady them.

This marked the first time that a whirled Ceres was held with a double-header.

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Friday, October 22, 1999 10:40:30 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Goodmorning all:: today is ribbon cutting day at work for the grand RE-opening of our store- whew so glad-soon things can go back to normal.
David G>> congrats on the raise
jewel>> hope your new job is great for you

Thought for today:

People will forget what you said.
People will forget what you did, but
People will never forget how you made them feel.

delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, October 22, 1999 08:39:52 AM
IP: twin6102.magiclink.com

<A Image Fire Storm armed with his trusty plasma rifle appears on the screen. Looking around, he sees his targets: The Company's computer that hold it's records. Fire Storm stows his rifle and pulls out a EMP grenade, placing it on top of their computer. With his free hand, he pulls out a detonator and presses a button on it. The screen goes blank from the EMP>

Oh boy, do LM and I have a Rant! You all know the photos she was working on? (you should... I ranted enough about it.)
Not only did they not pay, but they stole two copies from us.
LM put 400 hours of work into those photos.
BE WARNED! She WILL rant in here soon!
A joyride is too mercyfull. I will sic some corporate lawyers on them. <NOTE: IRL>

ALL MUSIC LOVERS: What record label is Brittany Spears and EVE (Or EVA. i have no idea.) from? I need to know ASAP.

Matrix/Gargoyles crossover: Bald kid to Lex: "Do not try to bend the stone, for that is impossible. Instead, it is yourself who must bend."

Aaron: EMP: Well, I have kinda researched nuclear devices, so I am quite aware of thier effects.
EMP does not effect PURE biological creatures. I am pretty sure that would REALLY screw up a cyborg, though.

BTW... does anyone have any guesses on how to make a non-nuclear EMP grenade? All of the ideas for EMP pulse weaponry that I can think of (and have it actually work) call for the device to be quite large and use up more power than my house.
ALSO, does anyone know how to focus radio waves? Based on the previous question. (A magnetic field just won't work, though.)

In fact, I am testing my EMP device right no..
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, October 22, 1999 08:35:31 AM
IP: 216.90.45.102

Wilek> <<maybe engineer them into slug-lemur hybrids?>> Or just let them get eaten by the slug-lemur hybrids he already has lying around... >: ) (so *that's* what really happened to the kids from Scooby Doo...)

SJ> <<Hey, a fellow Kids in the Hall fan!>> And don't forget Simon and Hecubus (sp?) I think they were my favorite. Hmmm... I have a sudden KitH/Garg CD; Sevarius meets the Chicken Lady! Anton just wants some DNA, but the Chicken Lady wants so much more... Heh heh heh heh...
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Friday, October 22, 1999 04:38:31 AM
IP: ppp-224-063.usc.edu

Deuce> Hey, welcome back! :D <<I just found that, on top of everything else, I'm failing French. _French_. My best subject last year.>> Eek...good luck improving that.

Jewel> <<The day after I decide I'm moving to Ga, and I give my two weeks because I hate my job, and tell my big brother that I'm moving down with him and helping him because I hate this stupid job so much I have *got* to go, I get *three* e-mails from companies in this area that need webdesigners and are willing to pay me top dollar>> Oh ye gads...oh well, perhaps the job in Georgia will pay as much (eventually, at least). :)

$Shogun> Stealth...cows. Heh...interesting...$

SJ> $<<That "surprise" I had planned sort of kicks off tonight. The first part of it, anyway. There's another more "shocking" part yet to come.>> More shocking than that?! This should be fun. :)$ J.K. Rowling interview> So the Harry Potter books contain...evil and gore? Maybe I should look into these... ;)

Newcomers> Welcome! Now give us your sanity; it's not as if you need it... :D
Wilek Nereus
Friday, October 22, 1999 03:27:52 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Once upon a time, in a faraway land, a prince lived in a shining castle. All though he had everything his heart desired, the prince was spoiled, selfish, and unkind. Then, one winters night, an old begger woman came to the castle and offered him a single rose in return for shelter from the bitter cold. Repulsed by her haggered appearence, the prince sneared at the gift and turned the old woman away. But she warned him, not to be decieved by appearences...for beauty..is found within. And when he dismissed her again, the old woman's ugliness melted away..to reveal, a beautiful enchantrus. The prince tried to appologize but it was too late, for she had seen that there was no love in his heart. And his punishment, she transformed him into a hidious beast, and placed a powerful spell on the castle..and all who lived there. Ashamed of his monsterous form, the beast concealed himself inside his castle, with a magic mirror, as his only window to the outside world. The rose she had offered, was truly an enchanted rose which would bloom until his 21 year. If he could learn to love another, and earn her love in return by the time the last petal fell..then..the spell would be broken. If not, he would be doomed to remain a beast for all time. As the years past..he fell into despair, and lost all hope, for who could ever learn to love a beast?

Ok sure..some of it _may_ be out of place..but I just wanted to bring back that image and voice in your heads..you remember..that beautiful sceen? witht he castle and stuff? *L* if you ask me it looked better with the gargoyles..but anyway, I wish there was enough money in it for Disney to really do a GOOD animated film..I mean I LOVE what they do now..but something really adult..not with tons of gore or sex:P just something..that is REAL ya know? something draw with lotsa detail that we can appreciate..and something with a plot that way too. *sighs* hey I can dream right?
Aperson not to be confused with Ape person
Friday, October 22, 1999 01:47:33 AM
IP: spider-wa063.proxy.aol.com

Shameless Plug!

"Control" is now up at GFW. I managed to finish it early. :) Please go read it and send feedback if you like. This one may be the last fanfic I write for a while. (don't worry, it's not depression again, I just know I'm going to have a ton of papers and other assignments to do in the next month and a half. So thus I may not have as much time as I would like for the next very important story. <sighs> Oh well.)

Real post later.
Doug
Friday, October 22, 1999 01:46:47 AM
IP: pool-209-138-163-233.dlls.grid.net

Ok here is just Something to think about...just for fun mind you.

Everyone always just assumes that Brooklyn's son Nashville will look like him, IE the beak and all. Well, what if Nash has his dads coloring but his MOMS face unlike the ever popular mom's color and dads physical characteristics hmm? Just liked to put that image in your head. Weird ha?
Anonymous
Friday, October 22, 1999 01:27:10 AM
IP: spider-wa063.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP***
The Phalanx Prime was enraged. "I am about to assimilate this chamberpot of a planet, and this mission is teetering on the edge of failure thanks to the incompetence of EVERYONE of you!" He screamed. Hodge! Make sure that damn Borg doesn't get in here."
"S-sir?" Hodge stammered.
"You are *Phalanx*, Hodge. Act like the superior lifeform you are and go eliminate the others!"
Hodge reluctantly nodded. "Yes s-sir." And with that he departed.
***PAUSE RP***

Wilek & others in the RP: That "surprise" I had planned sort of kicks off tonight. The first part of it, anyway. There's another more "shocking" part yet to come. Just roll with it for now, till my next post! ;)

Entertainment News!
If you people are developing an attachment to the new show "Harsh Realm"....perhaps you shouldn't. Things don't look good for it. After just 2 weeks, ratings are pretty...well, pretty bad. It's getting it's hiney kicked by "Now & Again", and popular chick show "Providence".

Harry Potter: Since this topic was discussed in here just recently, you might want to click on my name. It's a recent article (just a couple of days ago) that the Washington Post did on the author of the Harry Potter books, J.K. Rowling. Pretty interesting stuff ;)

Deuce: You're flunking French? Hmm....how can I say this without offending all French-speaking, or French-loving, or French-heritage individuals in the room.....but hey, is that really such a bad thing? Who speaks French knowadays besides...well, the French? Now, English, such a perfect language....all the nuances, the lovely double entendres....
Okay, I'm kidding, but I do hope your grades pick up, I unfortunately know all to well how that goes :(. I mean, I studied Spanish for 5 years. FIVE years. And to this day, I barely know the difference between a toaster and a record player, vocabulary-wise. This is an honest question to all those individuals in the room to whom English is not a first language; is it (English) hard to learn? I've had friends from other countries claim that it is, but I would like some confirmation.

Vampires: While I like Buffy, I've never enjoyed their take on vampirism. The whole demon-taking-over-the-body thing sort of irked me. What you have, then, is nothing but a bunch of villains who have no humanity. Then it gets kind of contradictory, because the most interesting vampires (Angel, Spike, Drusilla) seem to have some humanity within them, and I don't really like the idea of those demons merely assuming some of the original individual's personalities. Or are the personalities we see those of the demons? If they are nothing but demons in human form, wouldn't they have their own distinctive demonic personas instead of acting like the human they now possess? Ponderous, f-ing ponderous. Can't complain really, cause regardless Joss and the crew give us one heck of a great, entertaining show.

Zath: Hey, a fellow Kids in the Hall fan! That has to be one of my favorite comedy shows of all time. So many funny sketches....I remember the bit you referred to. Dave Foley: Yes, please, if I could just borrow an axe, I could finish right up and be gone. Old Lady (I think it was Kevin?): Well, I do have this...(hands Dave a plastic Atlanta Braves tomahawk) Dave: Oh, now, this would work but it's made out of plastic. Don't you have a nice axe I could use? Old Lady: Well, I do have a little hatchet... Dave: Hmmmmm....I'm really more of a AXE murderer... :)

***RESUME RP***
Prime roared in anger. "I can not even enjoy killing a hated foe without *them* showing up....the Borg...long has it been my dream to completely engulf the Collective. They are old and inefficient. They would not learn to change....so we had to defy them. But it is of no matter now. With Earth assimilated, the Phalanx will have *billions* of new drones. The last remnants of the Borg will be absorbed. This is just a matter of mere annoyance."
The techno-organic monstrosity looked at Dr. Sevarius, still clutched in its enormous claw. With a sigh, it tossed him aside like a rag doll. The good doctor hit one of the walls with a thud and a groan, where he fell to the ground in an unconcious heap. "I had hoped to savor your deaths as well as his, but I am afraid this will have to be a rush job."
Kari and SJ attacked at once. SJ fired from his rifle, laying down some cover fire as Kari dove in to attack at close range with her spear. SHe buried it deep into the Phalanx's side, but with a shrug Prime merely ejected it and swatted her away like a fly. She hit the ground several feet away.
SJ moved in, bringing his rifle up and swinging it like a club. The blow was aimed at Prime's head, and it rang true, striking the creature's hooded countenance with a loud clang. Prime seemed stunned for a moment, and his hood fell off his head and onto his back, revealing his face....
SJ froze in horror. "Oh my god.....no. That...that's impossible!"
It was a face twisted and misshapen, deformed by Phalanx biomechanical/techno-organical implants. But it was a face Sevarius Jr. was intimately familiar with.
It was his own.
****END RP FOR NOW***

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:33:57 PM
IP: 207-172-54-204.s204.tnt16.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Todd Jensen > Actually the vamps in the buffy universe are a mixture of a demonic possession and the original person. Angel stated that fact in one of the episodes. Basically it is you but with no conscience.

Aaron yep you are right he dose bemoan his fate don’t he. I guess nick and angel need to scoot over so he can join the whiners poker night. I now know this is wrong but I once thought Drue was the gypsy princess that angel tortured and killed, but I was wrong she was just a nun that angel tortured and killed. Now I just wonder if there is a mad gypsy princess vampire roaming the world?

ironwolf
Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:17:48 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-140.cha.bellsouth.net

*begin RP* Blackwing readies himself to strike when suddenly the borg nanites who affected the phalanx pyramid begin to affect him, his large form crumbling to his original form, sans an arm and a leg "this is a minor inconvenience" grumbles Blackwing
Shogun looks down at him, eyes glowing
"resistance....is futile"
barely an instant later he is pelted to death with psionic blasts, energy blade projectiles, frost giant fists, solarbeam shots and stealth cows
there is a moment of silence until flypside speaks up
"well that was fun who's for chinese?"
Fenrir walks up to Shogun
"just how long HAVE you been waiting to use that one?"
"you do NOT want to know"
Doc turns to them, "what now?" he asks
Shogun gets an evil glint in his eye
"to the phalanx pyramid, we'll do a little cleanup and maybe help SJ if he needs it, but I doubt it, those ravens are a capable lot"
Doc sees through Shogun's words, as is indicated by his skeptical look
"If you must know, I want to see Junior's Dad, I'd like a few words with the good doctor concerning his hand in my....makeover
*Just what is Shogun talking about and what are his plans with Sevarius, tune in next time for "Variety is the splice of life" or "what's up doc?"* end RP

3 kings review> I'll keep it brief, good story, had some funny and thought provoking moments, but a lot of the gore was a trifle gratuitous, a lot of that stuff didn't have to be done, it didn't help the plot. BTW i've seen Robotech/macross eps with better anti-war messages (like having to deal with minmei singing wasn't enough of an arguement)

Vampires> in the "legacy of kain" series (blood omen, soul reaver and the as-yet unnamed and inevetable sequel) a vampire is created by necromancy, stealing a soul from the underworld and bonding it to a body via some strange vampiric gift
shogun raptor
Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:11:06 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Another day of Hotel hunting has ended. Well Now I think we have the hotel. Just waiting for a reply from my fellow staff member Jubes. We shall see. Anyway for those who might be interested the t-shirts for the Gathering 2K. If you want to see them here is an address you need to cut and paste: http://members.aol.com/camaro532/gargoyles1.jpg
They are worth checking out.

later, Draconis

Draconis - [Gathering2k@nycmail.com]
orlando, florida, home of the next Gargoyles convention
Thursday, October 21, 1999 10:49:55 PM
IP: 179-19.kua.net

SKIPPY - In the series, they stated that vampires, technically speaking, aren't so much the person who was vampirized but rather a demon inhabiting the person's body, who imitates the original's mannerisms but isn't actually that person. (Which was, by the way, the original belief about vampires back in the Middle Ages). Angel is the one exception because of that gypsy curse, which gave him back his soul. Thus, for example, Harmony, as seen as a vampire, isn't so much the Harmony in Cordelia's crowd that we all knew and - well, had to put up with - but rather a demon inhabiting Harmony's body who's picked up a lot of Harmony's traits, though twisted into a vampire style.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, October 21, 1999 08:56:44 PM
IP: 216.87.46.5.dialup-stl.primary.net

David G> Sorry to say this, but it looks like I won't be doinmg the table out at Arlingcon after all. I just couldn't round up enough interest in my club to do it...I do plan on getting out to the con though :)

Buffy& Angel thoughts>
The thing I really wonder about is why are all the vamps are evil? It isn't like they totally lose all of their emotional capacity except the desire to feed on blood. Admittedly, they do seem to lose a lot of their restraint when they change, but doesn't mean they lose the ability to feel. Harmony is sitting there crying over Spike, Spike was pining over Drusilla last season. But why is Angel the only nice vampire? I guess the question I am really asking is do you think it is part of the vampire's nature to be evil, or is it simply beacuse the vampire's enviroment made them an asshole before they got bitten? I'm inclined to think enviroment...
Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, October 21, 1999 08:12:56 PM
IP: uv1-57.ultravision.net

Proof that God laughs at me: The day after I decide I'm moving to Ga, and I give my two weeks because I hate my job, and tell my big brother that I'm moving down with him and helping him because I hate this stupid job so much I have *got* to go, I get *three* e-mails from companies in this area that need webdesigners and are willing to pay me top dollar. Why couldn't these e-mails have come in *yesterday*, before I made up my mind? Oh, well. Too late now--I already told the apartment lady I wasn't taking the apartment. But this is definitely my life...

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 07:22:36 PM
IP: 199.196.144.12

David> *chuckles* yeppers, I noticed the correct spelling ;) Sam Houston would be proud :) *gives you a small hand held Texas flag*
Congrats on your raise!! I received a nice one from the state.... but found out yesterday that my insurace premiums tripled, therefore using my entire raise to now pay for it. So, I've broken even O.o Oh well, at least I didn't go in the hole! *L*
Jannie
Thursday, October 21, 1999 07:19:11 PM
IP: 168.171.196.107

Deuce> Hey brother! We missed you! *hugs*

Jaden> "Humanity is a disease" from the Matrix... During that whole scene, I was thinking to myself that somebody from that movie must have really liked Demona. Probably not, but I thought it was funny.

Scott> Tom Wilson is the voice of Matt Bluestone. Was he Biff in Back to the Future?

Warp> I like your thinking on Asrial. It's a really cool possibility.
SOROW
Thursday, October 21, 1999 05:27:34 PM
IP: dll2b102-37.splitrock.net

It's not like I'm busy enough, insult is added to injury by having my only net access through the freakin' _ugliest_ UNIX GUI interface I've ever seen... and it's a 9600 bps connection to boot.

Sorry I haven't been around much lately: RL obligations are slowly piling up to the point where I feel like joining the Witness Protection Program. I just found that, on top of everything else, I'm failing French. _French_. My best subject last year. F*ck.

Anyway, just wanted to drop in and say hi... I'm still here and can be emailed. Greetings to all newcomers; I'll take your sanity right now. *does so* Isn't that better?

I'd better get home, for now you can check out the latest additions to my site (clickie). They were uploaded in haste: excuse any mistakes.
Deuce - [webmaster@curtain.cjb.net]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 05:19:20 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

ironwolf> Maybe, but nobody whines more then Richard does. I honestly do not know what Anita sees in him. For an alpha werewolf, and a pack leader, he is *such* a wuss.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, October 21, 1999 04:18:45 PM
IP: ppp-111.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Hi everybody. I'm goofing off at work, so I thought I'd say hello.

Karlyl> Welcome to the room. Someone will be along to remove your sanity presently.

Anonymous> Is that an evaluation of your mood, or your sanity? :)

Boring personal life stuff> One week and a couple of days until the LARP. Then my life can resume regular programing (except for all the other things I have to do). One bright spot, The city of Arlington just gave almost all its employees big raises. I'm getting almost $200 extra every month. This is exceptionally cool.

OK, enough goofing off, and bragging. See ya'll later.
(I spelled ya'll correctly for you, Jannie. I hope you appreciated it.)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, October 21, 1999 03:11:36 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Jewel congrats on quitting hmm is that the right word? You hated the job you were at and have a new one lined up soo…. Yep congrats is the right word.
******POSIBLE SPOILERS FOR BUFFY
Saw buffy last night. Just one question what man hating fenazi got a hold of the script? Show made out men to look worse than the monsters. I mean even I wanted to slap Xander around. He could have said “have you seen buffy? Look we can talk later I have to go and try and fight a powerful master vampire let him beat me up so I can provide the distraction so buffy can save the day.” I did notice that they kind of put Oz in the background. I guess he didn’t fit the “all men are bad” motif they were going for. After all he did forgive Willow when she cheated on him. Now here is a question if you become a werewolf by catching a disease in the saliva of a werewolf how come Willow is not one? They had sex and I believe that is an exchange of bodily fluids. Of course Oz may have always been a werewolf. It was a Cousin that bit him so mabey it is genetic and the bite just triggered the gene. Also the cousin was human when he bit Oz so you can't use the excuse that it is only spread in its hairy form.

Aaron> None of Hamilton's vamps ever sit and whine about their lot. >Nope just the people dating them. You got to admit Anita whines about jean claude a little tooo much.

ironwolf
Thursday, October 21, 1999 03:01:06 PM
IP: host-209-214-41-135.cha.bellsouth.net

*wings in*

Jewel> Good luck! :)

Warpmind> I say we're already trapped in bags of fluid--our bodies. ;)

*wings out*
Celano - [<--The Harpy's Nest]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 01:13:16 PM
IP: dial-92.r15.nccncr.infoave.net

jewel> Best of luck to you.

FS>Okay, thanks for the info in EMP. I guess I should actually research this stuff instead of using DS9 novels for reference.

Zath><Why do I suddenly have a creativity demon about him, Nick Knight, and Ann Rice's Louis getting together to sit around and whine about how awful it is to be a vampire?>> That's why I much prefer Hamilton to Rice. None of Hamilton's vamps ever sit and whine about their lot. They get out and enjoy themselves.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:33:29 AM
IP: ppp-235.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Wing Commander > Also, one of the cadets was Matt Bluestone himself. (the actor's name doesn't come to mind, but I know he was the villain[s] in "Back to the Future")

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:11:15 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Real post later...

Jewel: You're moving to Georgia? Oh....well, I must say, that does sadden me a little, cause it's always nice to know a fellow CR dweller is in the area (most of you seem to be down south in Texas or up north in Michigan or Canada...). But, as a friend, I must say I'm happy for you. It did not seem like you were having a good time where you were, to make a gross understatement. I hope things work out for you; it sounds as if they will, what with you working with your brother and finally having something that constitutes a life and a little freedom now. :) So, I'll be pulling (and praying) for you. Good luck, and make tons of money doing what you love! :-) ;)

Christine: YES!!! Sabledrake magazine is now a reality! Man, that means that now I've got to get off my lazy hiney and actually start writing something to be submitted..

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 09:35:49 AM
IP: 164.106.134.5

Yes, I know I'm using the wrong color. For some reason, the color and image box thingies don't seem to be showing up on my computer. >8(

Delphi> <<Never hold a dust buster and a cat at the same time. - Kyoyo, 9>> Eh...I hope she didn't find that out the hard way...

Doug> <<Nazi speeches to his army of bloodsuckers in my upcoming fic "Vampire Plague.">> <raises eyeridge> Nazi...vampires. Two great tastes that taste great together. :P This should be interesting...

And now for something completely different> I've made a slight update or two to my little web site (clicky). ^_^

Aaron> <<I would've thought you'd root *for* a David Lynch directed Star Wars. Aren't you the one who likes Dune so much?>> I'm just a walking mass of paradoxes aren't I. ;) Somehow, I'm not sure Lynch's style is all that compatible with Star Wars. Oh well. :)

Anonymous> Welcome! :D <<I am mad>> Oh, your sanity's already been taken care of? Kewl. ^_^

Karlyl> Welcome to you as well! If it hasn't already been done, have Deuce extract your sanity. :)

Jewel> <<I'm giving my two weeks notice tomorrow morning.>> You're finally getting away from that place? <high-five> Best of luck to ya! :D

Christine> Sabledrake Magazine?! Wow...<starts rummaging about for something cool enough to submit>

Scott Iskow> <<Anyone remember him from Wing Commander IV?>> I remember seeing a blooper from that--he was talking to a couple of cadets or whatever and then walked offscreen, whereupon one of the cadets proceeded to ad-lib something to the effect of, "Does he remind you of Luke Skywalker?" :P

Jaden> <<Today my teacher called me to tell me that she never recieved an important piece of work from me when I turned it in to her over a week ago.>> Malicious, incompetent apathy. Those three words sum up the entirety of the modern public school system.

Zath> <<Or how about they get bored with sitting under the table during a meeting (why are the parents always too cheap to get a babysitter?) they could wander away and end up in Sevarius's lab. Fun ensues.>> Heh heh heh...maybe engineer them into slug-lemur hybrids? >8)
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, October 21, 1999 07:35:54 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Hi all. I would have posted sooner, but the school's server has been really slow lately, so I could only load about a fifth of the room before it would claim that it had the whole thing, leaving me with not even all of Tuesday's posts. I also got really sick of having things come in at around 200 *bytes* a second. If someone gets inspired, please feel free to kill Mr. DC for me.

Pistoff> <<Maybe I'd get a custom-made set, with inch-long fangs...>> Between that and the shaved head, all you'd need would be some long pointy fingernails and you'd start looking like a nosferatu...

Aaron> <<the palm sized spider who lives on my back porch (who we've nicknamed Shelob)>> For some reason, that makes me think of Gary Larson, but I don't know why. <<I say Linda Hamilton gets to be the Terminator this time around.>> *That* could be interesting...

shogun> <<there's the typical "lunch with the new boss" episode, in this case one Ms. Dominique Destine with the requisite rugrat mayhem,>> Or how about they get bored with sitting under the table during a meeting (why are the parents always too cheap to get a babysitter?) they could wander away and end up in Sevarius's lab. Fun ensues.

Jessie Feff> <<The wedding dance is going to be a masquerade ball.>> That sounds cool.

David G.> <<but I think that if I did, I'd turn into a raging psychotic axe murderer, and I don't have the spare cash for a good axe right now. Damn. Oh well, I'm sure someone else will be willing to kill him for me, or buy me an axe.>> That reminds me of that sketch from Kids in the Hall where the ax murderer broke his ax in the middle of dismembering someone and had to go borrow one from the neighbors.

ironwolf> <<He drinks animal blood but he is so tempted by the other white meat.>> Why do I suddenly have a creativity demon about him, Nick Knight, and Ann Rice's Louis getting together to sit around and whine about how awful it is to be a vampire?

Robby> << whoever said no DOn Bluth films had musical numbers was wrong, An American Tail had a ton, and while most were good, the actors playing Fieval and his sister could NOT sing...>> That makes it more realistic. Most children can't sing very well, unless you're in Disney's universe where everyone has a wonderful singing voice and a full time choreographer.

jewel> <<I did it. I just sent in my letter giving my 2 weeks notice. Whoa...>> Good luck.

Warpmind> <<her sitting in her cave working at the time of the viking assault, and emerging a week later, completely oblivious to the outside events.>> Of all the methods of saving her suggested so far, that seems the most in character, which brings me to a new topic...

Saving Characters> All this talk of saving Asrial and how she would react made me wonder what the other characters would do. I'm not looking to continue the "they should/shouldn't be saved" debate. Just assume that the characters were brought forward somehow either alone or together. How would they feel about it and react to the 20th and 21st century? I think everyone has basically agreed that Asrial would love it and adjust well, but what about the others? Personally, I think Ajax wouldn't really care. He'd just see it as a new place to do what he did before. Agamemnon might see it as a great excuse to go into more lectures about how everything has changed since he was young. Thersites would probably have an interesting reaction because on the one hand he'd love all the modern conveniences but he had enough trouble dealing with life in the 10th century so he probably wouldn't enjoy the chaos that passes for the normal life of a modern gargoyle (or human for that matter). What does everyone else thing?

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 05:58:21 AM
IP: ppp-223-147.usc.edu

Hi, y'all. Would have posted yesterday, but I had a technical difficulty.

Asrial's survival: Noooo, I don't wanna see her diiieeee... *Whine* Actually, I got this weird creativity demon, her sitting in her cave working at the time of the viking assault, and emerging a week later, completely oblivious to the outside events. And when she looks at the ruined castle, she panics, then asks herself "What have I done wrong THIS time?" or something to that effect... but that's just me being at my usual level of weirdness... Hey, maybe Brooklyn can save her while he is Timedancing...? (Hope, hope) Would make an interesting crossover, no? Maybe leave her as an apprentice to Leonardo Da Vinci?

Sabledrake Magazine: Well, looks like I'll just hafta translate "Bodyguards", then. I just know I'll have to wrestle a lot with the jokes within... sometimes I loathe my own sense of humor...

Scott Iskow: I remember Mark Hamill from WC4. Frankly, there were times I felt like going Gung-Ho just to kill him, but those times generally ended the game... and the cutscene system was REALLY annoying. Oh, well, at least he died in the following game, if I'm not mistaken (eaten by a giant ant, according to a friend of mine).

The Matrix: A thought occured to me: What if it's true? All things considered, each and every one of us could be stuck in a small tank of fluid right now, and just THINK we're sitting in front of computers. *Shudder* Kinda freaky thought, no?

Jessie: Congrats on recovery. And hey, next time you're sick, bring the disease to school... infect the faculty... that way they can't kick you all out for being away for sickness. Of course, food poisoning is a more difficult problem.

Well, gotta shut off for a while, and make sure I've got all the TGS Gargoyles episodes intact. I've found about half a dozen episodes where about half was missing (unreliable download), and it annoys the heck out of me. Now I'm done with Dark Ages (please... don't start the next season juuust yet) and at episode 11 of Pendragon... and that's since Monday. I'm impressed with myself. Particularly since I have to manually rip out the HTML while I read the stories. Thank you, God, for the gift of Speed Reading...

Well, later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, October 21, 1999 04:30:45 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Thanks everyone who wished me quick recovery from my food poisoning. I'm doing much better now and could actually attend class today--good thing too. One of my teachers was going to try and have me dropped from her class list. Grr. When it rains, it pours. Got everything straightened out, though. Now I'd just better stay healthy for the rest of the year!

******Possible SPOILERS for THE MATRIX***********
All this talk of "The Matrix" and EMP waves have got me thinking. I enjoyed "Matrix" when it came out; despite its plot holes and stuff, it was a pretty good movie. Now, I haven't seen it since it first was in theatres, so perhaps my memory is a bit foggy, but didn't they have to use their EMP weapon without shutting down their ship's systems? I had interpreted at the end of the movie--that last bit with Neo flying/leaping into the sky--Neo's body and his shipmates had all died, since their ship's systems were probably fried and the chances of them being rescued were slim. However, Neo's conciousness lived on, since he had truly conquered the Matrix. I should probably rent it and see if that still makes sense--I might have missed something, or misremembered--anyhow, I think that the ending is pretty ambigious anyway...I hope the sequels live up to their potencial.
**************end possible spoilers******************

Christine > Wow, that is so great! *brain churning with ideas*

Robby > Think you could find that nifty "Intermission/End" music from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" too? :)

jenna > Not the Romance period, huh? I'll have to try and find a timeline or something. Thanks for the info, though. I was wondering, because I just completed a project--letters to an imaginary person, written in a Jane Austen style of writing--and I was couldn't remember the period. The teacher didn't ask anyway, but now I need to know for my own mental well-being. ;)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 03:48:57 AM
IP: ctrts2-4.mrs.umn.edu

Slow room today.

Doug - Glad your feeling better.

jenna - Actually, her mom slowly adapts to Buffy being the slayer over the course of the third season. Not a lot happens with her in most episodes, but she does go through some tough times over having a Slayer as a daughter. And as for going to the prom, lets face it. She sees all the girls like Cordelia and Harmony as what she was before she was the Slayer and what she sometimes wishes she could still be. And many high schoolers see Prom as the last big party before graduation.

Cerau - I kinda enjoy Under the Sea too, but not because of the song. Part of one of out concerts in high school involved a Disney songs tribute, and in Under the Sea we had a girl dressed like a mermaid. About halfway through the song, her top came undone. It was a memorable performance.

Karlyl - Welcome to the CR.Glad we could amuse you. Feel free to post whenever you feel like it.

jewel - Good luck to you. I'm sure that you and your brother will do a great job.

jaden - Yeah, that's about the gist of it. Everything Sheridan did to try to prevent the destruction of Centauri Prime just furthered it. He went to Z'ha'dum, thinking to prevent it, but that just led the Shadows to move more forces there. He chose a different planet for the final confrontation, but that just left it open and defenseless. And in the end, all his efforts to stop the war with the Centauri were doomed.

AsrAIl - Just to play devil('s advocate) I really don't see this as something Lex would do, at least not in the TGS universe. Granted he's lonely, but seen how the Cold-trio reacted to not having real bodies, he knows how he felt about being cybernetically enhanced without reason. He wouldn't wish that upon anyone, especially a member of his clan.

Thought for the Day:
"The universe is already mad. Anything else would be redundant,"
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 03:23:24 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

****SHORT RP****
Diving behind some rubble to avoid the heavy lasers Jaden yells to his companions, "We'd better be able to beat this thing," *Master Thailog wants to destroy you personally he thinks to himself.* "Or I have a feeling we'll all be working at Taco Bell for the rest of our short lives."
****END RP!!!****

You know I think that my college is out to get me. Every time I think that things are going well something happens to mess me up. Today my teacher called me to tell me that she never recieved an important piece of work from me when I turned it in to her over a week ago. I just have to keep telling myself "Only till December then I'm done, Only till December then I'm done."

The Matrix again- You know I was thinking about the movie earlier and this came up. You know when that Agent said "Humanity is a disease." Does that sound like anyone else that we know?

T.J.- Babylon 5 time travel- It's weird. When Sheridan saw all the destruction when he went into the future, they tried to do everything they could to prevent it, but instead all they did we insure that it would all happen. Centauri Prime was attacked, Aliens took over that planet, and Lando and G'Kar killed each other.

Doug- No problem, like I said relaxing and doing things on the spur of the moment gets the creative forces moving.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, October 21, 1999 02:32:07 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Mark Hammil- I seem to recall the one time he was on the Muppet Show, Kermit was exstatic that they had Luke Skywalker on the show. Luke then made some comments along the lines of, "Sorry, I don't do television. You're thinking of my cousin Mark." And throughout the rest of the episode Mark Hammil and Luke SKywalker kept switching off...

Whatever happened to the Muppet Show? I miss it...
Robby
Thursday, October 21, 1999 01:35:13 AM
IP: spider-wk033.proxy.aol.com

Aaron: EMP: Well, most scientific studies conclude that EMP cannot hurt people. If someone was at ground zero of a nuclear detonation (One of the largest producers of EMP made by man), and just counting the EMP, you would be fine.

jewel: <I'm giving my two weeks notice tomorrow morning.>
CONGRATULATIONS! I am so proud of you! DAMN THE MAN! Start your own company! I hope you are sucessfull. Word of note, though: you may not be busy right away, so have enough cash to survive for at least two months before you quit, just in case.

Scott Iskow: Mark Hammil: Well, you do know that he was also the Joker from Batman:TAS
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 01:29:07 AM
IP: t2-32.visitus.net

Chewie > Heroic sacrifice is an excellent plot device. Obi-wan did it. Vader did it. And now Chewie did it. One thing Lucas did well with the movies was that he made all the characters *mortal*. Now, I'm not sure how many people here have been keeping up with the novels, but until now the heroes have been portrayed as either uber-powerful Jedi or ridiculously lucky. Chewie has been misused throughout the whole thing, not really contributing to the stories until now. Quite a contribution, eh?

BTW, I heard that Mark Hamill himself will be doing voice-overs for the novel advertisements for "Vector Prime." The poor fella's been typecast...

Anyone remember him from Wing Commander IV?

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Thursday, October 21, 1999 01:09:49 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Hi all,
Robby, thanks for posting the answer to those questions- I was just lieing in bed wondering what show they came from--(I really should be getting to sleep, now perhaps my brain will shut down)
Spike>>I like that idea about computer Asriel sp? sounds very interesting (we've just watched flubber for about the 3 or 4th time this week tis a kiddo favorite, and my favorite charater is weebo the AI helper of Dr. Brainard)

catch ya'll next time
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:39:18 PM
IP: twin57t.magiclink.com

Christine-- jenna claps hands and looks excited--ooh!!

Robby-
Jenna
I seek the holy grail.
What do you mean? An African swallow of a English swallow?

:P
jenna
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:16:17 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-113.hstntx.swbell.net

I did it. I just sent in my letter giving my 2 weeks notice. Whoa...
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:15:10 PM
IP: 199.196.144.12

Totally off-topic:
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Star Wars > well, I don't suppose I'd kick Qui-Gon outta bed for eating crackers either ... the more I watch the movie, the more I do like him ...

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:03:32 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Hey, all. Quick post because Big Brother is watching me, and I was reminded of that fact today when I cam into work, and the chick I work with warned me to not go on-line too much, because they seriuosly monitor us, and told me to stop checking my e-mail when I come in (never mind I start e-mail when I first come in because it's something I need to have running for certain aspects of the job--like checking where people are located, etc, etc.).

Anyway. My big news.

I'm giving my two weeks notice tomorrow morning.

I hate this area (it's the land of the Stepford people), I hate my job, I hate the feeling of being monitored 24-7 and of being at a job that is frankly beneath my qualifications, and which I was *lied* to to get me to accept. So I'm quitting and moving back to Georgia, to help my big brother out with an internet company he's about to start. I'm going to be part-owner and webmistress...so even if the business fails (god forbid), I'll have experience running a business website, and will be able to get a job that way. I'll be doing a lot more work--Keith said probably 16 hours a day to get it started up, but it'll be helping him and me. My big brother said this was "his windmill," and everyone's got to have their windmills to tilt at. It's his...but it's also mine. =)

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 10:31:46 PM
IP: 199.196.144.12

No time for a real post, not that there's all that much to say anyway... But for those of you who don't know where the three questions come from...
What is your name?
What is your quest?
What is the average FLIGHT speed of a swallow? (I accidentally left out the flight part last time...) its from Monty Python and the Holy Grail... Fun movie, we're watching it in English. ANd since I'm on the subject anyway, clickie my name for a midi of the movie's theme...
Robby
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 10:18:26 PM
IP: spider-wm084.proxy.aol.com

Buffy & Angel> I laughed and then I laughed some more. I'm not all together thrilled with Buffy's little girl lost in college. On the one hand, these are some real things college things go through, but it's hard to reconcile the unsue Buffy with the one that kicks demon butt. spike is definately one of the memorable villians that make me watch ever week. I was scream "Harmony! You went from Drusilla to Harmony?" Though the torure was effective, I thought "Come on. Angel's been in hell for who knows how many centuries and before that Drusilla had her claws in him." This torture expert is going to have to log a lot of overtime to break him.

As for the curse. I'd keep it for two reason. 1) Hope. Angel didn't spin off into a series to remain broody. He believes, he hopes that there is a way to atone. Without that hope, I'd do myself in, but All sales aren't finally where life is concerned. 2) Hell. Given the glimpse of the Buffy version of hell, immortality doesn't seem that bad. Eternal torment vs. eternal guilty. Guilt I can pretend I don't have, but torment is something that you can't ignore.

Asrial AI> I've had philosophical arguments about this when we hit identity and reality. Who a person is, isn't just what people remember of them. Even your mother doesn't know everything about you. It sparked a whole lot of arguments.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 09:15:21 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Hi everyone ^_^

I've been wandering around the TGS site since it opened, but never actually took the time to venture into the wonderful (wacky:) depths of the comment room. Wow! You people really have some topics and I love the "top ten" thing that you do when the room is wiped at the beginning of the week. Reminds me of simplier times, so to speak;)

Ah well, just wanted to comment on how I enjoyed reading through the postings. Many of everyone's posts had me cracking up--that was something that I actually needed;)
Karlyl
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 08:32:00 PM
IP: unknown-84-74.lmu.edu

Nothing much to post tonight. I wish everyone sweet dreams.
SOROW
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 08:13:20 PM
IP: dll2b202-40.splitrock.net

I am mad
Anonymous
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 06:50:31 PM
IP: proxy1.lrl.prodigy.net

I am mad
Anonymous
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 06:50:29 PM
IP: proxy1.lrl.prodigy.net

*BUFFY AND ANGEL SPOILERS *

I forgot to post this this morning, but - a few of my overall impressions of last night's episodes of them.

1. Harmony. I was genuinely surprised to see her; I'd spotted her getting bitten by a vampire in the Season Three Finale, but had assumed that she was getting killed rather than "converted". I found her quite amusing in her new role, too - one almost feels sorry for Spike, in fact. She obviously didn't change that much in the course of getting vampirized.

2. I got a weird Buffy/Gargoyles creativity demon in the middle of "Buffy". When Giles mentioned that vampires were looking for the Gem of Amara in the 10th century, I found myself wondering what if those vampires had come to Castle Wyvern in the course of their search and had a run-in with Goliath and Co. (All thanks to the role that that century had in "Gargoyles", naturally!)

3. I agree with the others that Spike's little "Angel and rescued girl" dialogue at the beginning of "Angel" was very funny. Just one of those things that makes him a fun villain.

*BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 06:50:22 PM
IP: 216.87.46.105.dialup-stl.primary.net

Still swamped with homework, but what the heck? ;-)

Robby> I am known as Blue Caeru. My quest is to find balance in all areas of my existense (so I don't go mad) and to contribute somehow to society (no, that does not mean I want to enter politics :-P).

Chewbacca's Demise: Wow. That surprised me because Chewie just seems to be such an integral character to Star Wars and he was in all of the trilogy. It does't feel right that he should die, even if it's just in EU. Then again, I'm a fan (obsessive? well, not quite ;-) who felt bad for Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon even though they HAD to die.

Disney songs> Yeah, there are some that are too annoying, but a couple of the ones everyone else didn't like I sorta enjoy. "Under the Sea" and "Hakuna Matata" are just funny, happy songs to me.

Selanit> Hello there! Hmm, Ballpitria... haven't been there for a while unfortunately.
Blue Caeru
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 06:16:20 PM
IP: spider-wg083.proxy.aol.com

You know I really like all the answers on the question on Angel’s curse. Every one gave a different answer and there were a lot of I don’t knows to yea I would end it. Me I couldn’t live with the thought of becoming a monster again just to rid myself of a conscience and centuries of guilt, but I did rethink the decision but the guilt itself would stop me form ending it. Guess it comes from a Catholic upbringing :0) Looking forward to buffy tonight and Angel tomorrow (messed up time schedules, but at least I get to see them)
Well renfair this weekend and Halloween party/con next weekend looks like I’m gonna be busy. Got to think of a costume since I don’t think my original ideal is going to work. I am hoping the renfair will, well not really cheer up, but distract my friend from his problems.

ironwolf
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 03:50:16 PM
IP: host-209-214-41-144.cha.bellsouth.net

Aaron- hey there!

Spike- nice fanfic idea!

TJ- yeah, tests yeck!!

Servuris Jr- don't call me a weenie, but the Blair witch commercial makes my hair stand on end-- just the way she's screaming at the end...

Pistoff- got you em, replied with one of my own.

Buffy-- hmm, can't really get into this series. Call em old fashioned but balances slaying and going to the prom is a little much for me. Saw on ep, and couldn't stand her mom--I don't know anymom that would just let her kid do that, but it would be cool if she herself was a slayer or married to one, or something like that. I got the feeling that her mom was just too plain a character- but hey, I may be totally off.

All for now...
jenna
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 03:07:43 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Robby> T3 without Cameron or Arnold? Who needs 'em? I say Linda Hamilton gets to be the Terminator this time around.

Pistoff> I maybe wrong, but I *think* powerful EMP fries the nervous systems of people who're exposed to them, but I could be wrong. Maybe someone who's a little more up on this stuff can correct me.

Wilek> I would've thought you'd root *for* a David Lynch directed Star Wars. Aren't you the one who likes Dune so much? Lynch directed that. Personally, I'd like to see this. For some reason, Palpatine's inner sanctum has a chessboard-tile floor and lots of red drapes... ;)

Delphi><When you want a kitten, ask for a horse first.>> That kid has a brilliant future as a corporate negotiator ahead of him.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 02:15:40 PM
IP: ppp-243.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

**WARNING- RP**

Jaden looks over the approaching Omega Weapon and says his lines from the previous post. Doug rolls his eyes at the first question, then frowns as he hears Jaden's second sentence. "What dog?" "That dog!" Kitainia points, seeing a small grinning chihuahua encased in the Omega Weapon's chest. "He must be controlling this thing!" "Of course I am controlling this thing," the dog laughs. "It is a WEAPON, not a CREATURE, after all." "Actually," Shap points out, "both you and it are symbols. You're a symbol of annoying character-oriented advertising, and the Omega Weapon is a symbol of the recent unfortunate trend to make videogames skill-oriented instead of story-oriented. By destroying you, we're hoping to end both." "Thank you for reminding us of our purpose, paladin," Shauna smiles. "Now let's just kill this thing!" She fires another arrow, that bounces off the Omega Weapon's head. "Damn, no effect." "Let me try something," Lathrop suggests. He then points his staff at the Weapon and fires off several meteors. They all hit the giant automaton and knock it back, but do no damage. "It's no use, losers!" the chihuahua declares. "My Weapon is invincible! There is no way you can defeat it, even with a bigger box!" "I hate having to listen to this guy!" Gubio growls. "Isn't there any way we can fight him?" Doug grimaces. Boris, who has just been revived by one of Orion's spells, nods to show he agrees. Mist likewise purrs worriedly. "I don't see how we can beat this thing," laments Erin. "We don't have cheat codes or extra lives in the real world, and if it uses that light pillar again, or worse, level 5 death..." "Wait," interrupts Tricia, who has been intently studying the Omega Weapon with a mental probe. "I think I see a way."

**TO BE CONTINUED AT END OF POST**

Hi there. Is everyone having a good week so far? Hope so. I'm happy to say I'm feeling much better now. Thanks to all the people in here who have helped with kind words. I would have liked to get some actual feedback e-mails too, but I understand that people may not have time to send them. :( I guess that's okay. Maybe I'll be getting some soon anyway, as I always do after posting a new fic. (Control is almost done. I'm currently about to start writing the end battle scene. After that, I just have to wrap things up with character development and that never takes as long. So it should be out by next week. ;) Glad to be feeling better, hope I will continue to do so in the days ahead.

Stephen: Thanks for the compliment. Coming from a great fanfic writer like you, it means a lot. Hope you soon stop meaning to send me feedback and actually do it. <grin> Same goes for everyone else with similar plans.

Joe Boxer: If you want to read my work, go ahead. I'd be thrilled to hear your thoughts on it. :) The stories are all in the fanfic archive at www.gargoyles-fans.org under Doug Elder, newest at the top. They're all pretty long and a lot of the older ones are full of editorial mistakes, but as my feedback has told me, neither is a barrier to quality (however I am doing as much as I can to correct the latter problem in recent tales). Hope you can read one soon, and that when you do, you'll enjoy.

Jaden: Thanks for the great advice. I did what you suggested Sunday night and it worked (though as Kit said, the movie we saw wasn't especially good). Glad to know I have your support.

Asrial: I too like Kitainia's "ghost in the machine" creativity demon out of all the ideas for using her outside Dark Ages that have been proposed. (BTW, she'd be honored if you wrote the fanfic, Spike. :) However, I don't really want to see her out of DA myself. I think her character works best there and so it should remain within that spinoff, affecting that series as much as possible and of course increasing the tragedy of the massacre. I'd be perfectly happy if DA is where Asrial stays until death. However, if the TGS Staff or some other good writer is able to churn out a well-written and interesting story with her coming to the present in any way, shape, or form; running off with Harthoth, or any of the other ideas proposed in here, I will of course read and enjoy it just as much as I enjoy Asrial in DA only now. I don't intend to write any such story myself (if she appears in my fanfic saga, it will be only in flashbacks, mostly because I don't think I could adequately handle her possible differences in character in modern times), but will read stories by others that do it. That said, I hope some stories about Asrial in either DA or the main series get written soon. (I like Asrial and have been missing her and all of the TGS cast these past few months.)

<Moment of Silence for the Great Chewbacca> Damn, this is upsetting. I know his life had to end sooner or later, but somehow I thought he would outlive all of us. :) Lucas and Salvatore have ended that hope. They were within their rights to do so, I know. I still will miss him though. <sighs> Farewell, Chewie. Your legend will never die.

Pistoff: Thanks for the sympathy, it helped. I understand that you couldn't get feedback out, hope you're soon able to. Good luck with your saga and publishing, I will be eagerly waiting for the next story you write.

Harry Potter Books: Yeah, I've read them. In the middle of the third one now. Some good character material in its villain. :) I definitely recommend them to everyone in here; despite what the FE losers say, they are very well-written, good, and enjoyable reading. (Those should be the standards for judging books, IMO.) The recent outcry against them makes me wish even more that some do-gooder out there would find all the losers who are screaming about books like this and give them something better to do with their time.

Kaioto: Very good poem. I sent copies of it (and your disclaimer) to a bunch of public figures whose e-mails I know, hope you don't mind. I doubt they'll read it, let alone take it to heart and change their speeches about learning vs. being taught accordingly, but one can dream. :)

Angel's Curse: I don't know if I would end it if I had it. Probably not, since I'm usually able to keep control of my sex drive. And if my life keeps sucking as much as it often does, I wouldn't have to worry about any other "moments of true happiness." :) The curse would probably greatly upset Kit if I did have it, though, and she'd force me to end it somehow. My lady is canniving in that way. <grin> Then we'd probably become the real-life Spike and Drusilla. (Run for the hills!) Without her in my life, I could probably get used to a curse like Angel's, as I honestly believe true happiness would be impossible for me. <shrugs> So I would keep the curse in that case. Overall, I guess I really don't know what I would do with the curse. Glad I don't have it now.

Jewel: I'm glad to know I'm not the only writer who's fallen into the dissatisfaction trap. Your confidence and kind words helped me get out of it. Thank you very much. :)

SJ: I found Project Mayhem disturbing too, I liked it inititally. In fact up until The Twist, Fight Club was a very enjoyable movie for me. I'll definitely be using it for inspiration when I do Salton's character development and Nazi speeches to his army of bloodsuckers in my upcoming fic "Vampire Plague." The film was good, though it could have been better. I'm still glad I saw it. I think with more realism and fewer insane and convoulted plot twists (and possibly more development with Marla) it could have been the third best movie of the year (after American Beauty and the Matrix). <sighs> You're right, I will probably enjoy Bringing Out the Dead more. :)

**BUFFY AND ANGEL SPOILERS**

Good eps of these shows last night. Spike did an excellent job as villain in both of them, I too was laughing out loud at his imitation of Angel and the girl ("To the Angelmobile!") Good character development on Angel and Doyle in the latter half, too. I especially enjoyed seeing Doyle's demon form, I can't help but wonder if he has an relative named Pinhead. :) The Angel ep was the better of the two in terms of plot, IMO. Buffy was good, but like SJ I found it a little out of character for her to progress so fast with that Parker creep. Oh well, I never liked him anyway and I'm glad their relationship is over now. Hopefully he will get vamped somehow in the future and Buffy can literally break his heart. L Mostly enjoyed the Buffy ep because of the Spike and Harmony bits (I agree that the latter is a very annoying and yet amusing new villainess) and the Xander-Anya development. Hope she sticks around, it's enjoyable to see them together and yet at-odds. Both eps get thumbs-up, Angel a 9 and Buffy an 8.7. Keep up the good work on this season, Whedon. Hope you introduce its main villain (equivalent of what the Master was for Season 1, Spike was for Season 2, and the Mayor was for Season 3) very soon.

**BUFFY AND ANGEL SPOILERS END**

I guess that's all I have to say for now. Thanks again to all who have supported me, I will try to reward you with a story soon (if that and my thanks isn't enough reward for you,...well, I'll just hope that it is :). Later!

**RESUME RP**

"What, Trish?" Jammer asks. "You have some secret ability you haven't told us about?" "No," she replies, "I've just noticed that the reason we're not hurting it is that it regenerates damage practically instanteneously. That's not something the Omega Weapon can do in FF7, it's probably due to the Phalanx cells." "So if we can unassimilate it, we can kill it," Doug conjectures. "Right. Unfortunately this thing is supposed to be very agressive and dangerous, so even if we do get rid of its Phalanx power, it will still be tough to beat." "We have to try," Kit sighs heavily. "That dog controlling it has obviously ordered to keep us from getting past him, not kill us." "Yeah," agrees Boris. "Maybe Prime wants us assimilated?" "No!" the listening dog declares. "I do! Prime is an idiot! I will assimilate the planet in ways he has never dreamed, and with your group at my side, it will be even easier." "You know, pal," Shauna raises her eyebrow, "it seems to me you're being the bigger idiot. If you want to assimilate us, why haven't you tried yet? You've just stood there and let us discuss strategy all this time!" The dog frowns and gasps. "You are right! I guess I should attack you! Prepare to die!" "Nice going, Shauna," Jaden mutters as the Omega Weapon rears up and lets out a battle scream. "Keep it distracted, guys!" Tricia yells at the others. "I'm going to run out and bring back one of those unassimilation crystals!" "Uh, wait a second," Jammer stops her. "What's that?" He points at several lines of Borg cells that are sweeping over the walls and floor from behind the Omega Weapon. "Borg assimilation nanites?" Gubio asks, confused. Then he smiles and snaps his fingers. "It has to be Wilek! He's gonna save our lives!" "Oh yeah!" Stephanie cheers as the nanites engulf the Omega Weapon and drain it of Phalanx contamination. "Let's pound this puppy!" "Oh dear," the dog mumbles as they all spread out to flank him and charge in. "You still cannot defeat me!" he shouts at the Ravens. "I have weaponry on this machine the like of which you cannot get past!" "Then we'll just have to destroy it," Orion says calmly, preparing to call down holy fire. The other Ravens all likewise prepare their own weapons and begin charging to attack the Omega Weapon as it begins firing multiple high-powered laser beams at them and the screen fades out. Will they defeat it? Tune in next time to find out!

**END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 01:17:20 PM
IP: fac-b-b8.lib.utexas.edu

regarding Asrial>>

Hmm.... The most intriquing possibility is the "ghost in the machine" scenario, suggested farther down the page. (Sorry if I've forgetten who suggested it, but all this scrolling up and down makes me dizzy!) I could see Lex venturing out on his own computer project, possibly urged on by Liz or by something Xanatos is doing, and developing an A.I. personality for his computer system. He decides to give it a gargoyle personality and after much soul-searching, he decides to give it Asrial's. Lex puts in his recollections of her and is unsatisfied with it, so he goes to each of his clanmates in turn, adding in their perspectives so that with each entry, the Asrial A.I. becomes more real. Soon he has an interactive holographic Asrial to be a companion during those dark times when Lex feels most alone.

*fingers twitch on keyboard* Damn, there's a fanfic here! I hate it when I do that.
Spike
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:08:50 AM
IP: pppt10-56.ght.iadfw.net

Goodmorning everyone--not much time this AM sooo here is just a few more wise advise from kids.....

>Never hold a dust buster and a cat at the same time. - Kyoyo, 9

>You can't hide a piece of broccoli in a glass of milk. - Armir, 9

>Don't wear polka-dot underwear under white shorts. - Kellie, 11

>15. If you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse. Naomi, 15 (boy, has this kid got the system figured out or what!!!)
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 09:02:53 AM
IP: twin5938.magiclink.com

Okay, a brief pair o' replies...

Matrix: Okay. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I never meant to say that The Matrix was an effects film. I liked the plot, and the views of Trinity (hey, I can't help it, I'm male, ok?). But the special effects were great. (How many of you can see that they used CGI for Trinity's jump when the camera angle panned around her?)

Robby: Youse got some strange questions, chum. But here goes:
1: My name is Warpmind de InzanE.
2: My quest is to spread chivalry and honest ridicule to humanity.
3: Depends on what you're swallowing.

Fire Storm: Pot smoking? Nah, not Sweden. That's the Netherlands. Here, you almost need a medical prescription to break a wind... well, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit. But not much.

Wilek: I, too, have been searching for DOS browsers... but I gave up a long time ago.

Time Travel: Oh, no, not again... I seem to recall a lot of rigidity last time... but what the heck, if I had the Phoenix gate, I'd be sure to have a few laughs with it... a jump forward here, and backward there, after all, history is unchangeable, right?

Well, must run. Later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 04:54:56 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

*wings in*

Fire Storm> Yes, the Netherlands.

I hope it does well enough that it receives wide release. I can't believe that it's only gonna be released in 13 theaters. :)

*wings out*
Celano - [<--The Harpy's Nest]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 03:33:06 AM
IP: dial-82.r12.nccncr.infoave.net

Pistoff> Okay; sorry if I had sounded arrogant - I hadn't intended to. And I'm sorry if I mistook your response for something it wasn't and overreacting to that.

jewel> You as the oracle? That's a weird thought... Though I have to say that the the Sybil in the stories also reminded me a bit of the Oracle (though she reminded me most of the old (witch?) woman in the series Beauty and the Beast - I don't remember her name)
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 03:15:18 AM
IP: zeus.di.uoa.gr

Ghost Asrial - In the (rather unlikely) event that I didn't make my feelings clear yesterday, I think that bringing Asrial back at any point would be a mistake. TGS already has so many background characters and clan memebers that adding another would just take away stories about ones we're already interested in. Plus, I have a feeling that Asrial won't be there at the massacre. I tend to have a good ear for foreshadowing, and it tells me she'll either die soon or leave of her own free will.

jenna - I don't blame you for feeling violated. I know I would be if someone even thought that I was doing drugs unless they had a good reason. I don't know the laws where you are, but here unless your contract specifies that you can be required to take drug tests, you can't be. And in my school, it was never the staff that needed tested, just the students.

Tim P. - I hate to point this out, but except for the VR part, your description of the plot could be used to describe Return of the Jedi. And you didn't touch on all the points of the plot. But everyone has their own point of view. One of the nice things about being human is that I can choose to disagree with your ideas, as you choose to disagree with those people that say the Matrix is a great movie.

jenna again - I agree that too many people assume that animated movies should be musicals. I don't mind music as long as it isn't put in just to have a song there. But then again, too many TV shows are afraid to use music. There are times when music is called for and other times when it is not. IMHO very few if any animated movies have ever gotten this right, and about the only TV show I've seen that has is due South.

Mononoke - I have a feeling that it'll be a cold day in hell before that movie gets show at any theaters in Iowa. And this is one I really want to see, too. Hopefully, after Disn... err Mirimax fu@(s up with the theater release it'll come to video soon.

Robby - In response to your questions:
1. What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
2. I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. Or at least cut out your tounge.
3. Depends on if it's carrying a coconut.

And ReBoot had no season four because they couldn't get enough money to make it. Season 3 was made and released pretty much everywhere except the U.S. And yes, ABC has a bunch of idiots. But the current reasoning seems to be that kids only watch their shows for a couple of years, so they keep replacing them.

Time Travel - Although I perfer the Gargoyles type of time travel over that of Star Trek (which has caused so many paradoxes that the universe whould have imploded from confusion) I prefer a mix of the two. For example, in Babylon 5 there was one instance of time travel, taking Babylon 4 back to the past. And there were only two possible futures, one where they took it back, and one where they didn't. Instead of locking down the past or the future, it gave a choice of what to do.

Thought for the Day:
"Life... is a disease: sexually transmitted and invariably fatal."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 03:04:41 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

***BEGIN RP!!!***
"This Omega weapon is based on a video-game? Does that mean we get extra lives?" Jaden asks annoyingly and glances at the little animal controling the weapon. "Hey Kit, maybe if we give that dog a taco it will leave up alone!"
****END RP!!!****

Time travel- Here we go again. There are infinate possiblities when it comes to dealing with time travel and we won't really know what will happen until it's tried. I'm sticking with Captain Janeway's view "AVOID TIME TRAVEL AT ALL COSTS!"

Pistoff- Did you ever think that all those near death experiences that happened to Goliath happened just so he would return to the present and bring Griff with him? I mean all these things started happening right after another and Goliath decided to go back to the 1990s and Griff ended up going with him. Then he met up with King Arthur, gave him the answer to that riddle and became a Knight. Non of which would have happened if he hadn't been brought forward in time. Like I said way to many possiblities.

The Matrix- I heard that they were planning to make at least 3 movies all together. I wonder if I'll get the chance to see the new ones.

Robby-time travel- No, actually my head ALMOST exploded (just like now since we are back on the subject). I'm glad it didn't, my room would have been a mess if it did go boom.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 02:40:32 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

**RP!**

[The Administrator smiles slightly as she monitors the extent of her sabotage; within hours, the monuments will be disassimilated and she will have control over most of the Phalanx Prime's lesser drones. Admin: "The Phalanx will not be nearly as dangerous, now that the very building around them no longer obeys their commands. Come." With that, they continue their trek...]

**PAUSE RP!**

Asrial As A Ghost> The more I think of this, the more I like it...it would work perfectly for my ficverse, since it's partly based on White Wolf Games' World Of Darkness, so she'd still be 'living', if you can call it that, at Castle Wyvern. She'd probably have great fun with Arcanoi. <G>

Selanit> <<I was forced to remove the Ballpitria site -- I ran low on web space. If anyone else wants to host it, I still have the requisite files (on CD, no less), and can post a redirect page.>> Really...? Well...I have theoretically unlimited web space; I'd be honored to host it. :)

Warpmind> <<I run MS-DOS 6.Whatever (not entirely too sure), and I have previously had a web browser. That was, however, such an entirely displeasing experience, I have since disacknowledged Arachne as a fully valid browser. So, to my knowledge, there is no MS-DOS web browser.>> Hm... :/ Sorry to hear that...I looked around for DOS browsers at Yahoo, but the only one was Arachne. :(

Delphi> Kids' advice> They're so much smarter than adults sometimes, no? ^_^

Jenna> <<at work there making us do compulsory drug testing. I don't know about you, I know the principal is good, yada, yada, yada, but there's something so violating about it..I mean we all gotta line up to go into the bathroom with our coworkers- could make for some funny, crude jokes..>> Eek...I wish there was a way to do drug testing that didn't involve cups or needles. <shudder>

Aaron> <<"A friend is someone who'll help you move furniture. A real friend is someone who'll help you move a body.">> Ah, memories...

Kitania> $The Phalanx made a war drone of a video game character? We may be more alike than we think. <G>$ Oh, and very, very kewl site. Hm...possible ideas here...<blink> Apparently there's a Marvel villain named Goliath...not great for *our* public relations, to be sure...

Menessah> <<"A fire brigade once got me head out from between some railings." "Did you want them to?" "No. I used to leave it there when I wasn't using it for school. You can see a lot of the world through railings.">> Um...of course...

Jewel> <<Irina, me, and another Mawrter are working on a novel where one of the characters went to Bryn Mawr and is most decidedly a Bryn Mawr b*--there's a scene where she curses out Spock--in Old High Vulcan>> LOL! Oh, I *have* to see this one. 8) <<Things you don't want to hear during surgery: (from a forward I got a few years back) "Oh, Lord of Darkness, accept our sacrifice...">> Heh heh heh...I remember having a Conspiracy hospital do one of those. DC woke up wondering why an arcane sigil was tatooed onto his forehead...<<It was a bulletin board, with two Atlanta Braves Tomahawks and the wrods "Chop! Chop!" The company that put up the sign? The Atlanta Vasectomy Center.>> Eek...One has to wonder what rocket scientist thinks these up...<<Umm, I probably don't want to know, but what are people doing with the dolls?>> No, you *don't* want to know.

Robby> <<Except maybe for that Rosie O Donnel song in Tarzan and most of Pocahontas and Hunchback, Disney music is generally pretty good...>> Mostly, yes, but...almost every Disney movie has one song that makes me want to ram a filing cabinet up someone's arse. Hunchback has 'A Guy Like You', Little Mermaid has 'Under The Sea', Simba's Pride has 'Upendi', the original Lion King has an astounding *two* such songs--'Can't Wait To Be King' and 'Hakuna Matata' (ironic since it's one of my favorite movies)...even the great Nightmare Before Christmas had the villain's ill-advised jazz piece (oh well, even Danny Elfman isn't perfect). <<WHat is your name, what is your quest, and what is the average speed of a swallow?>> I am Baron Nereus of Cantrev Malkavia, my quest is to take control of the earth in the name of madness and the gargoyle race, and the average speed of a swallow is...hm...I'll have one assimilated and find out for you.

Coyote> <<The sheer *force* behind this piece is enough to pin ye down in your seat ... then it goes into one of the most emotionally-wringing key changes of any musical I've ever heard>> Kinda reminds me of the end music to The Omen III...it starts out as this sort of thingie in the vein and mood of Handel's Messiah, then downshifts into the very evil main theme of the movie. If I ever find a space provider that allows such things, I'll give y'all the MP3. :)

SJ> <<I'm not a very big fan of his or of Martin Scorcese (sorry, I know I shouldn't be that way, but even the man responsible for such masterpieces as the Godfather films cannot make up to me a little film called "The Last Temptation of Christ")>> Ecch...I've heard of that thing. I'm amazed the man hasn't been exiled. <<I can give you the addy to the site I originally got that from, a beautiful little gem called "Two-Handed Candy". It's a nice little PC conservative site that thinks the following: Roleplaying games, Star Trek, Star Wars, & George Lucas, are satan's tools and that Hitler was a good Christian.>> Interesting little site there...heh, ironic that what appears to be the Get Of Fenris sigil seems to be all over the place. <G>

Blair Witch Project> I, for one, can't wait to see this movie. I hear the DVD's going to incorporate a lot of exclusive footage that was cut from the movie, plus the Curse Of The Blair Witch documentary. (Is this the same DVD that will be released soon, or is it a 'special edition' thing that'll be coming out later?)

Pistoff> <<We've got a major problem with mosquitos where I live. I've seen some that are bigger than my fist... *gulp*>> Eee... I've heard Florida has a similar problem. One was mistaken for an unmarked helicopter; they didn't figure things out until they tried to refuel it. :P <<It would've given the movie an edge that those damned Ewoks blunted....>> True...although the movie as it is could have been much worse...I heard somewhere that David Lynch (name?) was given an offer to direct it, which he refused, thankfully. This is the guy who made Eraserhead. <SHUDDER>

SOROW> <<Not *all* Disney songs are gay. In fact, a great deal of them are very meaningful to me. But there are some that just make you want to pull out a gun, don't you agree? :)>> Oh, true; see my response to Robby. :)

Jessie> forgot last time> Food poisoning?! Eek...Hope that clears up soon.

Fire Storm> <<Who in here thought Star Wars: Episode 1 sucked? Why? Was it because of the special effects? Hmm... no, those were top notch. Was it Jar-Jar? Maybe... But what sucked was the story line.>> I rather liked the story, but then I'm a little odd, and perhaps I like convoluted political sci-fi stuff more than I should. :)

**RESUME RP!**

[The team approaches a recently-formed vaultlike door, encrusted with brittle, rapidly-dying Phalanx tentacles. A gentle push from the Administrator, and it falls, in a cloud of grey dust. With the door gone, the team can hear the Phalanx Prime speaking in the distance. Administrator: "We are very close..."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 01:50:48 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

<>WARNING! TAME RANT! WARNING!<>

Warpmind de InzanE: <Who cares about the plot?>
That, I am afraid, is what Hollywood thinks about. What is the plot besides something to allow for more special effetcs? Plot writers are expensive, so just throw somthing together so we can have explosions.

I did like the effects in the Matrix, but I thought it was a great movie because of it's plot, not it's effects.

Who in here thought Star Wars: Episode 1 sucked? Why? Was it because of the special effects? Hmm... no, those were top notch. Was it Jar-Jar? Maybe... But what sucked was the story line.

How about Alien Resurection? It had some damn fine special effects in it. Was it a good movie? Hell no. No real story line.

The thing I loved about The Matrix was the story and how the special effects helped boost the plot, not make the plot. Neo could dodge bullets not only because it looked cool on the screen, but because it was an important plot point. Would that movie be the best selling DVD ever if it was just 90 minutes of pure kung-fu fighting, guns and explosions?

No. It wouldn't have. Did Rambo 3 sell alot of VHS cassetes?
Why are there so many re-makes of Shakespere movies? is it because of all of the gun fights and explosions? Of course not. Without a plot, a movie or show is a failure.

Maybe I like good plots. I know most of the people in here like good plots. We all like Gargoyles. Gargoyles was one of the best animated shows, and almost one of the best shows PERIOD because of it's great character development, good story lines, etc. Thats the plot of a show/movie.

Why does shows like Power Rangers and Pokemon rule the airwaves? Special effects and fight scenes. What about the plot? It is almost an after thought. The plot is based on the action, not the action based on the plot like The Matrix was.

Of course, thats not too much of a surprise that violence and special effects rule the airwaves. What are some of the most popular and most watched shows? Sports. Mindless fighting (I am mainly speaking of WWF, but it can also apply to other sports). And COPS. Police chases, shootings, blood, and carnage. Makes me want to grunt just thinking about it.

Yes, The Matrix had alot of violence in it, but it was justified by the plot. Did Neo and Trinity shoot up that building just because they could? No. There was a story behind that, just as there was a good story behind each and every act of violence in that film.

And the ending may have been open ended, but I personally believe that anything following that should be done in one's own head.
"I am not here to tell you how things will end, but how they will begin. When I hang up this phone, I am going to show these people a life without you." (Not verbatium, I know. My DVD is on the fritz)

Now, is it just me, or does those sentances offer an infinate number of possibilites. SHOULD this story really have an end?

<>END TAME RANT!<>

Robby: Thanks for the Asriel/TGS Spoiler! Really told me alot about her future.
"Fire Storm, to seek the holy grail, african or european?"

Coyote: ROFL on your response to that question!
This is the link I posted. It is for model aircraft covering film made by Top Flite called Monokote.
Golf balls?

Warpmind: Norway dosn't allow caffine pills? Man... but dosn't a country within a few hundred miles of you legally allow pot smoking? Sweden maybe?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, October 20, 1999 01:19:55 AM
IP: t2-14.visitus.net

Movie deserving MST3K treatment:> The Omega Code.
Why? It's a schmaltzy piece of Fundamentalist propoganda featuring B-grade actor Casper Van Dien (Starship Troopers) as a researcher who discovers this Earth shatering secret within the Bible Code. He's being persuded by the AntiChrist, The European Union President (of course!-played by Micheal York) who wants said secret for himself... Pretty much every critic in America has dismissed this film as a waste of celuloid. What is scary is that it just came out in limited realese (300 screens), yet has made $2.4 it's opening weekend and placed #10 at the box office. How? Because TBN has been hawking this Turkey like crazy on their network (what do you expect, the producer is the Network Owner's son)


Skippy the Klingon
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:58:58 PM
IP: uv1-50.ultravision.net

Airwalker> Asrial and Harthoth?! The more I think about it, the more I like it! I never would have thought of them together, but it does seem very possible.

Celano> Well, I think Once Upon a December is beautiful, IMO. And I admire a lot of the background music as well. But that's just me.

Robby & Wilek> I said that wrong. Not *all* Disney songs are gay. In fact, a great deal of them are very meaningful to me. But there are some that just make you want to pull out a gun, don't you agree? :)

Aaron> Me too.

jenna> YES! The Prince of Egypt is probably my favorite animated soundtrack because the music is so absolutely beautiful! *Every* time I hear The Plagues, I get the chills. And I even used the one song I Will Get There in a school project.
SOROW
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:46:15 PM
IP: dll2b111-21.splitrock.net

Warp: Coffee is okay there? Ohhhhhh, thank god! Of course, back when I was doing a paper route at 4 AM, I was also into the Vivarin quite a bit...take a couple of those and wash 'em down with six or seven pots of coffee... ;)

Jessie: Food poisoning?! Ack! Oh man, I hope you get well soon.

Delphi: Thanks, I loved those signs. ^_^ Liked the kids' advice thingies, too.

Jenna: Yep, seeing The Matrix was the best three dollars I spent all year. :) Heheh, I'll see if I can smuggle out a couple of bottles of that purple stuff. It's so powerful, they have to dilute it--a LOT--with water, otherwise it'll eat through just about everything it touches. O_O Got your em, I'll reply to it when I'm done here. :)

Vinnie: At first I didn't care about him one way or another...but he kinda grew on me. He's kinda like the Gargoyles version of Ash, except he doesn't have a chainsaw and a lot of catch phrases (except "Can ya believe it?" and "Uh-oh..."). I watched "Vendettas" several times before I started to like this character. IMO, he's what makes that such a fun episode. Otherwise, it'd be nothing but half an hour of Goliath and Wolf beating the crap out of each other, and that would get stale after the first ten minutes or so....

Ironwolf: You're welcome. We're all happy to help whenever we can. :)

Celano: <more spiders=less mosquitos> Ahh, good point. We've got a major problem with mosquitos where I live. I've seen some that are bigger than my fist... *gulp*

Aaron: First I heard that Cameron was doing T3...then I heard he wasn't, then I heard he is saying "maybe"...I figure I'll just wait and see what happens. And I hope finishing when you did is indeed a good omen. Good luck! :)

jewel: Welcome back! Hope to see you in here more often. :) Um...$2000?!?! The really freaky thing is...there's somebody out there who will pay that much for it! O_O "Chop chop!" Oh god...*crosses legs* And you're right about Lando--I remember reading somewhere that the original version of the script had the Falcon flying through the Death Star, trying to escape before it explodes...Lando looks at his copilot and shakes his head...and then the ship is engulfed in flames and explodes. Would've been much more dramatic, and shown that victory sometimes comes with a price. It would've given the movie an edge that those damned Ewoks blunted.... Probably sounds hypocritical after what I've said about being reluctant to let characters die...though now that I think about it, it might've been fun if Lando had been crippled somehow in the battle, and ended up really messed up and really pissed off.... ;)

Airwalker: Good points, there. Now that I think about it, bringing Asrial back as a ghost has some potential. Especially if she possesses Elisa during a..ahem...critical moment with Goliath. *g* She would definitely be so intrigued by the world she's in that she might not notice her lack of substance...at least, she'd be distracted enough to forget about it on occasion. And if her isolation warps her sense of humor enough, she might do something like...possess the nearest Quarryman and then walk up behind Demona and grab her butt. ;) I hadn't thought about a ghost's "magical" powers because I'm not used to thinking in those terms.

Anyway, once I read your post and started thinking about it, I'm starting to agree. I don't think she would remain *entirely* as she once was...maybe she wouldn't let it consume her and get lost in dispair...but I do think it would seriously mess her up. Which would definitely be interesting (while I don't like to kill a character unless he/she has been developed enough and all, or at least most, avenues have been explored...I have no objection to really screwing them over ;).

As for Coldstone and Coldfire, I agree that what happened to them was too easy. After they were so badly damaged, it would've made more sense to just replace their damaged parts. Eventually, as technology improves, they could slowly be given more life-like bodies...which would have certain disadvantages (a good EMP near 'em would probably be fatal, while it wouldn't affect organic bodies, etc.). And since these two were once ghosts that were placed in robot bodies, something similar could be done to Asrial--in fact, if she came back as a ghost and learned enough about the world and discovered cybernetics, this might actually be her first course of action--possess somebody who is in a position to build one...or at least talk to Xanatos and get him to have it done.... The price here would be that, sooner or later, she'll realize that she's practically immortal (barring any serious damage or power drain or whatever), and she'll have to watch her friends grow old and die. Of course, she could always pull her own plug...but what if the body had been pre-programmed with a subroutine that blocks her from that action?

And there could be all kinds of fun to be had with this. As her parts malfunction or wear out and have to be replaced, you could see conversations like this...

Xanatos: "Is that arm working alright now?"
Asrial: "Yes...but now the middle finger seems to have a mind of its own...."

But you're right, what I did in my ficverse wouldn't be right for TGS. And the things I did might seem easy on the surface (bringing the clan back, giving them bodies that no longer turn to stone, etc.), but underneath that, there's all kinds of little prices to be paid. Not huge ones, but ones that accumulate and nibble at you until you're ripping your own hair out by the roots. ;) For instance, the nano-virus that alters their DNA and prevents them from turning to stone--right now in Gargoyles 2K, Goliath is being stubborn about it and not taking the injection, and Elisa's getting more and more pissed, and it's straining their relationship. Another example--when the gargoyles are granted citizenship, they think it'll make things easier...until they encounter the purely human contrivance known as Red Tape. Heh...the law forbids them from protecting people because it's considered vigilantism. Each time a garg beats up a burglar, the garg is subject to arrest and even a lawsuit from the criminal, for assault and battery, among other things. Plus, the clan Elders don't like what happened at all (except one or two, really...), and have pretty much cut themselves off from the rest of the clan. Mainly, I was looking at how they might deal with this kind of change.

Well, basically, I do this because I really wanted to mess around with the characters--something they don't let you do if you write scripts for the actual TV show. But you're right, this shouldn't be done in TGS. So now that I've thought about it, I kinda like that "ghost Asrial" idea. There's just so many possibilities... *mental gears turning...*

Robby: <However time travel works, I like Timedancer cause its all Brooklyn, all the time!> Ah yeah, VERY good point. There's definitely something to be said for Brooklyn's presence. And this did result in the hatching of Arianna and Graeme, which are two of the most interesting characters in the series.... :)

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." ---George Bernard Shaw
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:14:51 PM
IP: wire-3.koalas.com

***BEGIN RP***
The group was still a bit shocked to learn all that the Administrator had told them; it was definitely a surprise to hear that the Phalanx had once been part of the Borg collective!
"Do you think you can handle Prime?" Wilek asked her.
She gave him a stern stare.
"Right, look who I'm asking..." He said. "Can SJ and Kari handle him until we arrive."
The Administrator paused for a second. "No. No, I don't think so. They are both valiant young warriors, but they can not hope to stop him here. We must hurry to reach them before he does any...permanent damage." She walked over to one of the walls. "This should help things, though." From her arm snaked out to assimiliation tendrils, that proceded to inject the very structure of the wall....
***PAUSE RP***

Aris: I applaud you for your decision to discontinue the time travel debate. That was a long, stressful headache of a conversation the last time it came up, and if memory serves it ended up with everyone having different opinions and tensions raised.
I do, however, don't understand your responses to Pistoff. <<I was planning a response but your post made me decide against it. IMHO you are far too ready to take offense.>> That's pretty much a loaded statement right there. It's like saying to him, "I'd like to have a nice, intellectual conversation with you on an interesting subject, but I don't think you are mature enough to handle it without taking insult." Pistoff has his views, you have yours. I don't get the whole "not-understanding" thing, other than he not understanding your p.o.v. (which he claims he does, he just doesn't agree with it). I don't get the "too sophisticated" comment either. That's almost an insult to the people in here; they're more than intelligent enough to understand the discussion, they just may not share your own views on the matter. I don't see how that's unsophisticated.

***BUFFY AND ANGEL SPOILERS***
Good episodes again tonight. Buffy had a sort of love-themed episode, but parts of it left me a little cold. I don't think it's characteristic of Buffy to just give in to a guy like that, unless it's because she's still vulnerable after Angel (and, of course, I'm sure the whole point was that here she is doing something that's so *totally* uncharacteristice of her). Good to see Anya back; I do hope that they further develop her relationship with Xander, as I think it has potential as a very interesting subplot. Harmony makes a rather interesting...and wonderfully annoying....new villain. And, of course, it was good to see Spike back, and definitely nastier than ever. I liked seeing Spike being a little goofy and love-sick last season, heart-broken and having a talk with Buffy's mom, but I must admitt I have a guilty pleasure in seeing him at his most ruthless. :)

Angel was pretty good too. I'm not sure who's writing the show--Joss?--but it does have some beautiful dialogue between the characters. As usual, Spike gets all the best lines: Spike (as girl and Angel) "Is there some way I can repay you?" "Oh no, goodness is it's own reward" "I understand, I have a nephew who's gay..." "Come, I must be going. I'm running out of that nancy-boy hair gel I love so much. To the Angelmobile!"
Tuesday nights are fast becoming my favorties nights for tv. :)

The sad news to report is that there are rumors out now that Doyle may be leaving the show. Word is that the executives (curse the suits!) feel he has "no further purpose in the show". Hello! That's cause you haven't GIVEN him one yet. It's only the 3rd episode. Hope this is just what it is now--an ugly rumor.
***END SPOILERS***

Ironwolf: Hmmm....would I break Angel's curse? On one hand, becoming a hellish monster of extreme depravity. On the other, I get to sleep with Sarah Michelle Gellar. Tough choice. Really.
Seriously, I would think that after what I had done...I'd live with the guilt rather than be nothing more than a killing machine. He may be miserable, but at least Angel has a soul. I wouldn't give up sanity and salvation just for one night of carnal knowledge, even if it was with the woman I loved.

Blair Witch Sequels: I still think it is one of the best films of the year and one of the best horror films in the past decade (*sigh* no, my intelligence was not insulted, certainly not anymore than learning the ooooh! [enter sarcasm] shocking secret of Bruce Willis' character in Sixth Sense...THAT wasn't scary IMO, just well acted and written), but even I, one of it's biggest supporters, feel that it should not have any sequels. You have the movie, you have the truly excellent website, you have the Blair Witch Dossier (which is sort of like a printed version of the website's info), you have the Sci-Fi channel's mockumentary "Curse of the Blair Witch", you even have a nicely done comic book by Oni Press. That should be enough. To make another movie would, in my opinion, cheapen the original and the overall mythology that surrounds the film. The second film would not be able to capture the magic or the fun of the first.

Matrix: C'mon, Tim, I don't think it was that bad enough to warrant a MST3K treatment. That's a little harsh. Yes, the story was simplistic, but it didn't need to be complex. That's why I consider it a sci-fi ACTION flick. It combines elements of both. It's key appeal is that it's just so damn stylish. Cool looking fx, good looking stars dressed in fine, sometimes pseudo-gothic clothing, tons of action. If the plot isn't to emotionally involving, I don't see that as a really large detriment in the overall finished product. It was, for me, one of the most enjoyable films of the year (a sad thing, IMO. Haven't been too many movies out that interested me).

Kit: I'm sorry you didn't like Fight Club (but you did give it a 6 out of 10; on my scale, that at least ranks it as an average flick ;). But as soon as I walked out of the theaters, I knew that some people (like me) would love it, and some would hate it. I think I mentioned that in my review? Anyway, most seemed to dislike it ( :[ ), but it did top the box office with about 11 million. Didn't like Project Mayhem or "the Twist", huh? Personally, I thought it was a nice little way of showing his own personal descent into madness and hell as his psychosis finally progressed to a point where when he realized it was present, he couldn't stop it. And I found Project Mayhem disturbing, because it marked the change from a harmful weeknight obsession into a full-blown anarchist cult...showing that the individuals in the Fight Club had become as brainwashed to their cause as they claimed the consumers they rebelled against were to theirs. Still, this is the kind of movie that's made for controversy and displeasure. Oh well, que sera sera. Maybe you'll like the new Nic Cage movie. I'm not a very big fan of his or of Martin Scorcese (sorry, I know I shouldn't be that way, but even the man responsible for such masterpieces as the Godfather films cannot make up to me a little film called "The Last Temptation of Christ"), but I've heard some good things about it :)

Wilek: You liked the Landover Christian site? I can give you the addy to the site I originally got that from, a beautiful little gem called "Two-Handed Candy". It's a nice little PC conservative site that thinks the following: Roleplaying games, Star Trek, Star Wars, & George Lucas, are satan's tools and that Hitler was a good Christian.
It's actually a nicely done little parody site that some smartass put together as a goof one day, lampooning some of the less tolerant and more extreme PC Christian groups out there. It started with one simple article. The sad thing? He began to get so many emails from people who didn't realize it was a parody and AGREED with his fake intolerant beliefs that he build a whole site full of the stuff in response. Click on my name to get there ;)

BTW, has anyone in here ever read anything by author Jonathan Carroll? I just read 2 of his books in the past week. First "The Land of Laughs" (which was funny, engrossing, and chilling at the same time) and then "From the Teeth of Angels". I think he's an amazing author; and he comes with good recommendations, as such fellow writers as Stephen King and Neil Gaiman count themselves among his fans. Anyone else in here ever read anything by him? I recommend you do if you haven't. His style is hard to define; he's not really completely fantasy, or horror, but he uses elements of both quite liberally (for instance, "From the Teeth of Angels" had Death as it's antagonist...and man, he was a nasty SOB!).

***RESUME RP***
"Now," Prime began, "with no further distractions, I shall go about the business of elminating the Sevarius clan. What portion of your father would you like me to remove first? A leg? An arm? How about the insides? I can remove quite a few organs before death sets in. Ironic, isn't it? The good Dr. is now himself a test subject, waiting for the knife."
"Let....me....go!!" Anton choked, but Prime still held him tight in his enlarged claw.
"You son of a ..... Let him go! You don't need him! Let him go! You want me, I'm here!" SJ growled between grunts.
"He poses a threat. If he created the virus, he can create an antidote. But you'll have your turn, too."
"Prime, sir?"
"What is it, Hodge?"
The Phalanx was looking Kari up and down. "If you don't mind....I would like to have the female..."
Prime sighed. "Very well. In a moment."
Suddenly and without warning, the tendrils holding SJ and Kari began to decompose. The Yellowish hue that all Phalanx tissue had began to turn grey and crack, until the tendrils themselves fractured and shattered into millions of tiny pieces. SJ and Kari fell to the ground, unhurt but a little confused. The grey corruption that inflicted the tendrils began to spread out onto the floor...
"Sir! What....What is this!"
Prime roared. "It's HER, damn it. She's here, and she's infested the node with her damn Borg assimiliation nanites!"
***END RP FOR NOW***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:10:30 PM
IP: 207-172-87-8.s8.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Blair Witch Project on video... now people can have their intelligence insulted in the privacy of their homes! eesh!! The only thing scary about that movie was what the popcorn butter was doing to my arteries! I've never been to a theater where people actually boo'ed at the end of a movie... until now. *chuckles*
The previews and hype was 1,000 times better than the actual movie.. IMO ;)

Denis> *hugs tight and kiss* happy anniversary babe! Love you!!
Jannie
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:03:52 PM
IP: 196-195.c.esc4.net

Princess Monoke> I saw something that you guys waiting for it, but can't see it might be intersted. In Yahoo's auction, they have the movie dubbed. I know it doesn't compare to seeing it on screen, but you don't have to wait months for it to come out on video.

Disney Music> I like most if it. The sad thing is that some of the best songs you don't hear unless you get the soundtrack. In Hunchback and Pocohontas, it could have been better with one less buddy song and a couple of the hidden songs. Tarzan wasn't as bad. The moive would have been great if they hadn't gone formula and stuck a love story in there. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:41:50 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Jar Jar candy> Landover Baptist is in an uproar about that as well as the doll (clicky). At first I thought these ppl were psychotic, but anyone who has it in for Jar Jar this badly can't be *too* far wrong. <G>
Wilek
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:04:29 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

First off this evening ...

Jewel/Ironwolf, re: Jar Jar candy facehugger: I saw that Leno bit. I was laughing ... my ... ass ... off. Of course, a lot of Leno's bits tend to do that to me ... (correcting a crossword puzzle's wrong answers: "23 Down, 'What Dan Quayle turns to for guidance.' You put ... 'Prayer.' Actually the real answer is ... 'Pokemon.'" :)

Shogun, re: similarities: And they think Gargs had no influence on the animation industry. :)

SJ, re: Jackie Chan: Don't forget, he filmed half of "Rumble in the Bronx" with a broken foot in a cast disguised with a rubber boot molded to look like a sneaker and the bottom of a pant leg.

FS: Your link when you were talking about the only "monokote" you knew of ... you linked up to a website for golf balls.

Selanit: Dude, welcome back, was wonderin' what happened to ya.

Celan0: Hey, nice to see you here, too. :)

Aaron: Yeah, I've seen "Oscar." Funnier'n hell! :)

Ironwolf again: My thoughts are with you and your friend.

Disney music: Anyone who's known me for long enough knows that I have a ... *thing* ... for music with a *lot* of muscle behind it. Powerful, bombastic music, that's my speed. :)
That being said, my own personal favorite piece of music (NOT necessarily "song") in any Disney feature is the closing music to "The Lion King." The sheer *force* behind this piece is enough to pin ye down in your seat ... then it goes into one of the most emotionally-wringing key changes of any musical I've ever heard and ohh man ... **shudders**
Trust me, I react the same way to the ending of "Tommy" (the film version), and the entire thing of "Bat Out of Hell" (the song.).

Jewel again: Oops, appears you've already mentioned the trick in "Rumble in the Bronx." :)

Robby: "Sir Coyote of Bando. To retrieve the Holy Grail. Blue ... no wait ... AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"

**composes self after pulling self out of Pit of Despair**

Whoa, where did *that* come from?! :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 09:36:50 PM
IP: modem57.i-is.com

Robby: I am Toku Kaioto. My quest is to retrieve the Holy Grail. Would that be an African, or European swallow?
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 09:29:25 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Sorry for the double post...

ironwolf: Yeah, I'd heard about that one. I found out about it on Jay Leno, when he showed the add and said, "Yeah, let's teach our kids how to French the monster!"

I'm in a good mood. My videos "Sanctuary" are in the mail. "Sanctuary," for those of you who haven't heard of the manga, is my single biggest obessions. WEll, correction: second, after "Strain," which is the newest SHo FUmimura (Buronson) ["Fist of the North Star"] and Ryoichi Ikegami ["Mai, the psychich Girl," "Crying Freeman," the Japanese version of "Spiderman"]collaboration. You can't get the anime version anymore--I had been to the official distributors, and it was *nowhere*. I found a (happy happy joy joy) subtitled tape of it when I was looking for "Blade of the Immortal," and the Canadian company that has it is shipping a copy out to me this week. And they have the live action move that was made, and has the two single hottest Japanese men I have personally ever seen in my life (my roommate last year responce when we were watching the rental: "Hi, I'd like to order one of those...and one of those..." Jewel: "Hellooooooo, Tashiro!" Irina: "Damn. *Hel*-lo.") Soon, I will have both videos in my hot little hands... and when Irina comes back to VA for winter break, I'll probably have to wrestle the live action version out of *her* hot little hands...

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 08:50:26 PM
IP: 199.196.144.13

**RP HERE**

Masoke Punzara Noying, aka Black TIger, rounds the corner to see Jim's clone, severely battered and bruised.
"What did this?" He asks wide eyed. Jim merely looks towards his foe, and Black Tiger gasps. Standing there, now with golden Phalanx sytle mechanics instead of the spiffy metal ones prior, is the cyber smurf.

**END RP FOR THE MOMENT...**

The fate of Asrial- I would love to speculate on this topic, but I *know* what happens to her, so I really can't... Being on staff does have some disadvantages...

Celano- Simpsons, a perfect universe? But, but... Two of the characters have died!

Dragonball Z- AH, its so nice to finally see Goku the way he's supposed to be on American airwaves...

Aris- Um, the Death Star 2's shield was taken down on Endor, there was no technobabble about it, a large part of the movie's plot was the fact that winning the battle on Endor was the key to success... I should know, I watched the movie like... Yesterday...

Time travel- Didn't we blow up someone's head last time we talked about this? My personal favorite theory is, the more a timetraveler tries to change something, the more extreme the measure nature will go to to keep it proper.

Pistoff- No porblem. However time travel works, I like Timedancer cause its all Brooklyn, all the time!

Bobba Fett being cool- I think the appeal is that he was mysterious, had neato armor, went toe to toe with Luke and Han, found the millenium Falcon, and only had about 7 lines, making him all the more curious and interesting. Not to mention all the speculation that his armor is clone war armor...

Jenna- So Pini got lazy near the end. Pity. If they'd just given credit where it was due, it would have been the ultimate move in fan relations, but what they did... Ick. Still, up through Hidden Years 9 1/2, as I've said before, greatest comic ever so I respect that much still...

Matrix 2 & 3- Um, the original story was MADE to be a trilogy. Thats why they brought in prophesies and the like and had such an open ending... Personally though I didn't care for the movie, because well, I didn't care for the fight scenes. Once you've seen some of Dragonball Z's later stuff, nopthing else compares. Sure its animated, but still...

Terminator 3- Well lets see, they don't have Cameron, and they don't have Arnold yet... How can the movie possibly work without at least one of those two? It can't really... (As for actual plot, there's plenty of ways to continue the story. After all, Arnie's arm got stuck in that machinery at the end of part 2...)

Aaron- Ahh. Okay, I see now. Pity animation is still treated as it is, otherwise it'd be allowed to do more... If Mononoke would be given a FAIR release, (Just 4 theaters opening week, come on!), alongside the Pokemon movie and Dragonball movies 5-8 getting a theatrical release, anime, and then American animation, would get a much needed boost. (But if they bring Dragonball Z movie 4 to theaters... I shudder to think of seeing Slug on the big screen...)

"When I was a child, we had three kittens. Othello, Desdemona, and Iago. Sometime later, Iago gave birth and Desdemona was a proud father." -Chuck Jones (Seems Chuck's father had an odd senser of humor, naming a male cat Desdemona and a female cat Iago...)

Wilek- WHy did ReBoot have no season 4? Because those guys at ABC are idiots and jerks. Cartoon Network is much for forgiving. They've imported Reboot Season 3, the rest of Sailor Moon season 2, and are currently paying to have seasons 3 of Dragonball Z and Sailor Moon translated. (Though DBZ is the one airing now...)

Sorow- Disney songs are gay? Exqueeze me? Except maybe for that Rosie O Donnel song in Tarzan and most of Pocahontas and Hunchback, Disney music is generally pretty good...

ALso, whoever said no DOn Bluth films had musical numbers was wrong, An American Tail had a ton, and while most were good, the actors playing Fieval and his sister could NOT sing... Bad vocals didn't hurt "Somewhere Out There" though, one of my fave songs ever...

"WHat is your name, what is your quest, and what is the average speed of a swallow?" Bonus points to whoever can answer all three questions correctly first!

Jenna- Thanks for the link!

Airwalker- The start dates of the other series... Um... I don't know? We're working on them, believe me! I'm personally working on four Timedancer stories! (With help of course...)

**RESUME RP**

Black Tiger is shocked. "But... But... How?"
"Your genki dama, your... spirit bomb did its trick fully well. It killed and decimated the cyber smurf. However, the Phalanx observed, studied, and did their best to recreate the cyber smurf, and failed miserably. I am the result. I'm not nearly as powerful as the original, indeed, I probably have less than one tenth of the original's strength, but that should be plenty to deal with you two."
Jim's clone gained a determined look, and thrusted his arms into the air. "Then there's no reason to fool around then, we gotta hit you with our most powerful attack now!" He closed his eyes. "I call upon the plants..."
Black Tiger shouted. "No Jim! You can't! The excess energy Earth had to give for a spirit bomb has already been used! To make another one so soon would kill everything on the planet!"
"What?" Jim's clone turned and looked at the cyber smurf. "Oh spit."

(Note: No one interfear with this, I've got a plan...)
Robby
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 08:38:55 PM
IP: spider-ti052.proxy.aol.com

jar jar binks> heheheh i have a better one than the sex toy. this really exist so hold on to your lunch. there is a candy holder that is a plastic replica of jar jar's head. you pull down the handle his mouth opens and his tounge is the candy. Yep you get to suck face with jar jar.
Now that every one is sick to their stomachs at that thought good night and pleasant dreams muahahahahah

ironwolf
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 08:27:23 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-110.cha.bellsouth.net

PISTOFF - You wrote: [If Asrial came back as a ghost, unable to touch anything or appear to anybody except a few people... she wouldn't remain Asrial for very long. She'd probably go insane, I think, and eventually her entire existence would be focused around one thing: Ending it.]

I was going to agree on this point but then I started thinking about the Coldtrio. They were all trapped in metal bodies with extremely dulled senses, and on top of it they were all anatomically incorrect. Until TGS put them back into live flesh, Coldstone and Coldfire had the equivilent of metal life sized barbie dolls for bodies. A situation that could be considered worse than being a ghost. At least a ghost gets magical powers of some sort as evidenced by Hakon and the Captain. Coldstone and Coldfire are not dead and not alive. Can they even die in the state that they were in, bonded to metal bodies or were they eternally trapped on this plane, standing next to people they loved yet unable to feel them, able to see the sun yet not feel it's warmth? They didn't lose their minds. I don't think that a Ghost Asrial would either. Not as long as she had what they had during their time as souls in machines. As long as Ghost Asrial has a goal of some sort, something to keep her mind off her situation, then she would keep her sanity, same as the Coldduo did. And with the mind that Asrial has been shown to have in DARK AGES, I think that it would be perfectly in character for her to get so lost in examining and learning about the modern world that she would forget that she was even a Ghost, which could lead to some interesting situations and storytelling.

As for what you did in your series, bringing back the Wyvern clan characters who died in the Massacure, I can't say that I really agree with it but if you have idea's for them that are burning in your mind that need to be told then I don't see a problem with it. That's what Fan-Fiction is for after all. But TGS is trying to stay within parameters of the original series. And in those terms it would be a horrible idea to bring back the original 971-994 Wyvern clan or to selectively transport DARK AGES characters into main TGS. (I already think that TGS made a horrible mistake in making Coldstone and Coldfire flesh and blood and renaming them Othello and Desdemona. It seems like a terrible regression and an abandonment of some great potential in those two characters. Bringing a living Asrial to modern times without any painful price being pain whatsoever would feel the same way. It would be nice to see her around but the price to bring her present would either be so expensive as to transform her into a completely different character or would ruin the attempt to keep TGS in the tone of the original series.)


SELANIT - That's not a bad idea, having a Ghost Asrial practice possessions at random. I could just see her possess Elisa for a little while. That would be a great story to see. But there is another answer. She could do what Hakon and the Captain did in SHADOWS OF THE PAST. She could animate some rock reformed to look like her. That way she would have the ability to function for limited periods of time in the physical world and at the same would be still paying a price for being in the physcial world. (I say limited amount of time since I think that if she did do such a thing she would need to not abuse and use up the magical energy that is keeping her in the mortal world. It would be an interesting twist if she could only mainfest at night.)


ROBBY - Just out of curisoity, since DARK AGES is going to be starting up soon, when will TIMEDANCER new season start up? Sooner, later, November, December, etc?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 07:55:41 PM
IP: 88.new-york-40-45rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Just a warning, this is a *looooooooooooooong* post...

First off, thanks to everyone who gave me such a warm welcome back! It was as good as getting jumped on by a friend the second she saw me when I got back to Bryn Mawr. =)

Jackie Chan: I am in awe of this man. I mean, my god. Jackie Chan is just uber-cool. COnsidering that for one movie, he broke his foot, and then had the cast painted to look like his tennis shoes, and kept on filming...

Wilek: That Janeway-Borg story was cool. Janeway could be a Mawrter... (Oh, and speaking of the Mawr and ST, Irina, me, and another Mawrter are working on a novel where one of the characters went to Bryn Mawr and is most decidedly a Bryn Mawr b*--there's a scene where she curses out Spock--in Old High Vulcan).

Jannie: Waking up during a hysterectomy? Gaaaack.... <twitch>

Things you don't want to hear during surgery: (from a forward I got a few years back) "Oh, Lord of Darkness, accept our sacrifice..."

Love Dolls: THere's one out there called the "Real doll" or something like that, and it's *$2000*.

Mononoke: If I don't get to see this in the theatres, I will kill someone...

Music in Prince of Egypt: I was extremely impressed with the music. The only f*ck up was "Playing with the Big Boys Now," and only because they made it such a Disney scene.

Lando: Actually, Lucas had planned on killing him in the movie, but test audeinces picthed such a fit he changed it.

Spacebabie: <lol> That guy with the apple pie deserves what he got. You would think that if it's too hot to eat, it's too hot to...

ironwolf: I really hope things are going better for you and your friend. I'm not religious, but I'll say a prayer for you.

Signs: The best sign I ever saw was years ago, in Atlanta. It was a bulletin board, with two Atlanta Braves Tomahawks and the wrods "Chop! Chop!" The company that put up the sign? The Atlanta Vasectomy Center.

Blair WItch: It's coming out Friday! Yay! I'll finally get to see it! (And yeah, if you couldn't tell, I have this amazing knack for missing good movies in the theatres...)

T3: No, no, no, no, no, no, NO. A thrid one will destroy the meaning in the second. No!

Jar Jar Dolls: Umm, I probably don't want to know, but what are people doing with the dolls?

Kitania: Thanks oodles for explaining. I head tried back reading to figure out what was up with DOug, but there was too much to wade through, and I have limited time on line... (or did before I started 2nd shift...)

DOug: I'm glad you're feeling better about writing and being appreciated. Believe me, I know how you feel--for the longest time, I wondered if *anyone* was reading my stuff...

Matrix: I could go on and on about how much I loved this movie. It was amazing. I can't *wait* for the next two. As soon as I move into my new apartment, I'm watching my video of it. Oh, and on the surreal side--at breakfast the day after watching the movie, a friend of mine looked at me and said, "Oh, you saw that last night? Yeah, I fihgured you'd like it. After all, you're the Oracle." Everyone at breakfast stopped, froze, stared at me, and then Irina let out an, "Oh my God, you're right." and all of them said they could see me baking cookies and talking and acting just like the oracle. This after the night before, I had seen the woman who played her, and the first words out of my mouth were, "God, she's just like every single woman on my Dad's side of the family!"


jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 07:41:31 PM
IP: 199.196.144.12

"A fire brigade once got me head out from between some railings."
"Did you want them to?"
"No. I used to leave it there when I wasn't using it for school. You can see a lot of the world through railings."
Menessah
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 07:03:40 PM
IP: filter.lds.net

Real post later, just one thing I need to clear up first...

Aris: I wasn't trying to suppress your opinion, or anything like that. I'm sorry if that's the way my comment came across. I was just taking issue with the way your previous comments were phrased--first you said that this subject was "too sophisticated" for some people to understand, then you continued to insist that I didn't understand what you were saying. Look at it objectively and maybe you'll see how that sounds. Looking back on it, you probably didn't mean it that way, but it still seemed rather smarmy. If I misinterpereted it, then I apologize.

Also, I was merely saying that while I understand the concept, I just have a different view on it, and I probably won't agree with whatever "mega-response" you were planning.

Anyway, I have no intention of suppressing opinions or getting into a flame war on this topic. Everybody is giving their opinions, I stated mine, and I'm pretty much done with it, except to say that the "history can't be changed" theory is probably the most realistic one (assuming that time travel is even possible)...but when we're talking about writing fiction, this one simply closes out too many story possibilities, and is, IMO, not nearly as interesting or fun as the idea that history *can* be altered.

Everything else I could say on this subject, I said last night. I have nothing new to add to it that wouldn't simply be rehashing what I already said. This is just my personal view of the time-travel stuff. I'm sure that whatever you were going to say about it would be interesting, and might make a good article for the Grimorum. Something to consider, at least....

At any rate, my original point was that we just don't see eye to eye on this, and I guess we can just agree to disagree. No hard feelings, I hope? :)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 06:30:46 PM
IP: wire-6.koalas.com

**RP HERE**

Leaving the ashes that are all that remain of Whiffle behind, the Black Ravens continue to head down the tunnel before them. "See anything?" Boris asks Orion, who is in the front. "No," the cleric replies. "I think this part of the area is pretty much empty." "Wait," Kitainia says. "What's that noise?" "What noise?" asks Doug. "That noise," says Jammer, as a loud booming begins to echo throughout the chamber they've stepped into. "I don't think I want to know what's making that," Shauna mumbles, just as a huge shadow falls over the party. They all turn and gasp, seeing that the source of the shadow is a huge red centaur-like beast dressed in gleaming black armor covered with Phalanx contamination. "I know this thing," Erin gapes. "It's an Omega Weapon!" "Omega Weapon?" Gubio asks. "What the hell is an..." "Obviously you haven't gotten very far in that birthday present I gave you last month, have you?" Stephanie asks the hacker. "Omega Weapon is the toughest boss in Final Fantasy 8. Nobody alive can face it and live!" "She's right," Erin nods. "I've tried to beat it fifty times and lost every one!" Doug sighs heavily. "Don't you just hate that skill and tough monsters have become more important than story to roleplaying games?" "Shut up," snaps Boris. "Let's just blast this thing. It's a videogame character, it can't be for real. Probably just a giant robot of some kind." He raises his bazooka and fires, hitting the roaring Omega Weapon in the center of its chest. The shell explodes, but does no damage whatsoever. Boris gasps as the beast raises a palm and zaps him with a ray of obliterating light. "AAHH!" he shouts before slumping unconscious. "Are we going to be able to fight this thing?" Lathrop stammers. "With the power of God on your side, all thing are possible," Shap declares, drawing his holy avenger. "Kitainia, Doug, you guys wanna flank me?" Kitainia grimaces as she looks from the paladin to the waiting Omega Weapon and back again. "Uh, maybe we should just run away." As she says this, the Weapon begins emotionlessly walking forward again. Shauna, Jammer, and Gubio each fire at it, but their shots harmlessly bounce off. The prospects of the battle that is sure to come do not look good.

**END RP BEFORE THE POST**

Hi. Well, as promised, I will say more now that I finally have the time (Got my homework done, even what I intended to boycott, <sigh>). :) Let's see, what topics are there to cover?

Thanks (for the first time or again) to everyone who has sent Doug kind words in the last few days. He's almost out of his funk now. (Jewel- It wasn't writer's block, it was writer's dissatisfaction. He was starting to think no one really cared about his work. He's thankfully past that now.) A story progress update will probably be posted tomorrow along with thanks from the one who should be delivering it. :)

Joe Boxer: Congrats on the sweepstakes award, and thanks for the CD info. Doug and I would definitely be glad to get one by mail, just give us the address. Thanks for the schoolwork sympathy, too. I'm glad someone has more than I do. <smirk> And like Doug said, we are together. And very happily so.

**SPOILERS FOR FIGHT CLUB**

Doug and I went out to see this movie Sunday night, thanks to a baseball game taking precedence over all the good TV shows again (Damn you, network TV and people who can actually watch those ultra-boring games! Sorry. :). The ride down to the theater and back was wonderfully relaxing (and helped Doug get over some of his inspiration lack as such rides usually do), but the movie itself was very much not worth the price of admission. SJ, I'm sorry, but we're only giving it 6/10, thumbs way down.

In the beginning, Fight Club was interesting. I liked seeing the development of Norton's character, his situation was well-shown, and it was pretty believable. Tyler Durden also made a sinister and interesting villain, which was of course helped by the well-written dialogue between him and the Narrator, and the great preformances Pitt and Norton both turned in. Up until Project Mayhem started, I was enjoying the movie. It all seemed very believable, interesting, and realistic. Fight Club was still something I would never want to engage in, but the concept of it sparked a lot of ideas. Even the scenes with Helena Bonham-Carter's character were okay, despite the fact that she didn't really contribute much to the film.

Then it all went downhill. First we had the utter confusion of Project Mayhem's beginning, without anything that showed how the members of Fight Club made the leap to it from their original occupation. Taken like that, the transition seemed really thrown-in and contrived. Then for a while it looked okay, because I thought Norton's character would become disillusioned with the project and somehow shut it down. (I was looking forward to seeing him kill Brad Pitt. :) But then they had to have that whole implausible development where it turned out Tyler and the Narrator were the same person. That turned the whole movie around, yes, but Doug and I thought it did it in a bad way. Sure, turning a movie's story around and making us rethink it has worked in the past. Sixth Sense is an excellent example. It did not work here. Instead it ruined the movie's realism. Yeah, I know the movie wasn't supposed to be real, but up until that revelation it almost felt like it was. Then we had this whole stupid split-personality thing that sank it all. You rethink the movie, and initially you're willing to accept the development. Then you get to wondering what the hell is going on, you realize no sane person would look up to a man who sometimes beats the hell out of himself for no apparent reason as a mentor figure, and you start to wonder if you're not sitting through the Narrator's ungodly depraved fantasy instead of the interesting social commentary-dark comedy film you paid seven bucks to see. As the film rolls on, events get more and more wacked-out, and by the Narrator's "suicide" there is no possibility for suspension of disbelief. Because of this ending, IMO, the movie sucked. If they had done it some other way, it might have suceeded. Unfortunately, I have no idea how that could happen. Oh well.

**FIGHT CLUB SPOILERS END**

SOROW: Glad you liked American Beauty. Doug and I think it's the best film we've seen all year (and we've seen a lot). When we do our own first annual personal Oscars ceremony in Janurary, it will surely be a contender for most, if not all, of the awards. :)

Chewbacca's Death: I'm sad to hear this has happened. Hope he was given a good ending. (I haven't read the book yet, though I intend to. Its storyline looked good, and you can usually count on RA Salvatore for excellent writing. He is the creator of the Drizzt Do'Urden AD&D Forgotten Realms series, after all.) I shall continue to mourn Chewbacca and hope he is enjoying Wookie Heaven, but I won't scream about it too much as Lucas and the other authors were well within their rights to bump him off (and yes, it was war, in war people die). I just hope that in Episode 2 or 3 (if he comes back) Jarjar suffers an equally dire or even worse fate.

Asrial: I like her as a TGS- Dark Ages character, and agree that she could work in other parts of the series, but I also agree that she should not survive the massacre without some cost. Airwalker's idea for a ghost Asrial would be great, IMO. It could heighten the tragedy of the Wyvern massacre, develop all the characters (Asrial especially), and still allow for her to have some kind of relationship with Lex (I think she would be fascinated by his cyborg implants if she knew about them, and that combined with their shared love of machines could make them friends and later more. Perhaps this could be the source of the tragedy that makes Lex a computer program in 2153. He could try loading himself and Asrial onto the same set of data so they could be together (ghost in the machine romance, original and cool :), and then a computer virus somehow separates him from Asrial (it wouldn't have to kill her) and traps Lex in the data. Because of this he and everyone are forever sad. Yeah, I know this sounds a little contrived, but it might also be interesting to see :). I don't know if Asrial will survive the massacre or not, from some viewpoints I don't want her to and from others I do. More than either I hope she gets as much good character development as possible while she is around (all people die eventually) and that she continues to be a character we can enjoy seeing in TGS.

Zath: Congrats on surviving the earthquake even though its effects in your area were small (hope this is the only one you have to face in your life :).

Jenna: I've read the Harry Potter books. They're excellent, with great plots and characters. I can see why the conservative housefraus and related idiots of the world hate them, but I like them even more because of that. What other people complain about in books is usually what I like to read. :) Hope you enjoy the Harry Potter books since you've recently started the first.

Kaioto: Thank you for posting the wonderful poem. It went into my inspiration book. :)

Movie Sequels: I too look forward to more Matrix films coming out soon (the first was excellent, even with Keanu's bad acting and the somewhat predictable plot.). As for the next Blair Witch film, Doug and I will probably boycott it. We hated the first one. A lot of people didn't, though, so a sequel may make some money. <shrugs> I don't know or care.

Angel's Curse: Hmm. I don't know what to say about this. On the one hand, I never intend to do the kind of things that Angel did in his past and now feels sorry for, so I probably wouldn't be the kind of bad guy he became when his curse ended. From another perspective, if I had the curse and I hadn't done anything bad, but instead the next time I had a "moment of true happiness" I would become like my fictional RP evil clone Asil, well, I don't know. I hate to say it, but I would probably end the curse. I'm the kind of person, who when I fall in love, I get to needing to be close to the person I'm in love with. This of course includes physical comfort. And with that physical comfort would come the curse's ending. I could deny myself that comfort and become a nun, but it would be a very difficult trial and I really doubt I could do it for the rest of my life, thinking about it now. <sighs> And of course after the curse was ended, I wouldn't care about the person I used to be. I guess I would end up a raving psycho-b^&*h and have to be killed. :) Oh well, that might be a good way to depart this crazy planet. <maniacal laugh>

That appears to be all for now, I'll be back later in the week of tonight's new Buffy-Angel crossover (it looks like a good one!) Ta ta for now.

**MORE RP**

Elsewhere in the Sphinx's tunnels, a smiling Cameron Hodge slithers up to stand beside Phalanx Prime as he laughs at the immbolized forms of SJ and Kari. "Those others who broke in won't be getting any farther," Prime's lieutenant gleefully tells his master. "I sent our collective's second most powerful member, after yourself, to kill them all." "The Omega Weapon," Prime laughs. "Excellent." Hodge nods. "Yes, I thought so. Shall I stay around to help you handle these two in case they break free?" "I doubt they will," Prime shrugs, "but if you like." "Okay then," Hodge returns his master's grin, assuming a fighting stance as SJ and Kari continue to struggle against their bonds. (Note to SJ- click my name for a site with info on practically all Marvel villains if you need to know about Hodge, his entry is under the "X-Villians" link. I suggest you convienently forget about his immortality for RP purposes (ie, make him killable), but you don't have to if you don't want to. :) If you need us to, the Ravens will also come help you fight him and Prime after we're done with the Omega Weapon and its controller- The Taco Bell Dog. :)

**END POST AND RP**
Kitainia
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 06:13:12 PM
IP: pool-209-138-214-19.dlls.grid.net

Here's a link I KNOW YOU ALL WILL LOVE

SECREAT OF NIMH SITE WITH THE INFAMOUS KISS

sorry for all the posts and enjoy the link--
jenna
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 03:06:28 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

one more comment-- you thought I was threw didn't you-- as Celano was mentioning Don Bluth stuff we just got last night from Ebay, Bluth's games Dragon's Lair 1 &2 and Space ace. Mike , my hubby, was up playing Space Ace all night-- the animaion was awesome!! and talk about hilarious!!!

Music in cartoons- well being a formal music major, i have to say I'm biased to having music. But now every animaion film thinks it has to be a musical. That's wrong, some things just lend themselves better to a musical than others. I like it when they use music to tell a story. If you want to see this watch the opening of the Prince of Egypt- awesome use of middle eastern sounding music, and does not dumb down. Also there is a part where they have one song as an inner monologue for Moses, but his lips don't move- it's him thinking and it's done as voiceover of his innermost thoughts-- that was pretty cool. Check that movie out- and the animaion is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
jenna
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 03:00:50 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Time Travel> Are we going over this AGAIN? Has anyone considered the possibiltiy that time is nothing more than a *clock*?

The Matrix> My Dad is a big fan of X-Files-action thrillers, saw this movie with me once, and HE thought this movie sucked. The plot is pathetically simple: A geek played by Keanu Reeves is awakened from a VR world to relize that he is a sort of messiah in a chliched apocalyptic future. A traitor is found in their ranks. Keanu saves one of his comrades who was captured. Keanu fights and defeats one of the main villians. In between all this, there's a bunch of psuedo-philosophical dialogue, chase scenes, and several fights that are well done but don't improve the quality of the plot. It's a shamed MST3K didn't stay around long enough to critique that movie.

It's one of those movies like "Tommy Boy" and "Happy Gilmore" that make alot of money but lack real substance. They're fun while you're watching them, but when it's all over, you ask yourself, "What the hell was all that about?" When I watch a movie, I want it to have an emotional wallop that sticks with me for a few days. You know, when the end credits start rolling and the audience sits there quietly stunned for a moment before they get up and leave.

Few movies have affected me in that way, such as, SCHINDLERS LIST, AMISTAD, FULL METAL JACKET, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL, THREE KINGS, STRANGE DAYS, THE SIXTH SENSE, and a couple others.
Tim P.
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 02:50:20 PM
IP: bn706-01.wsc.edu

Matrix sequels> Well, I figured they must've wanted to do a sequel, or they wouldn't have veered away from the ending they'd spent the whole movie building toward.

SOROW> Don't get me wrong, I love The Secret of NIMH. I think it's one of the top 5 american animated movies of all time, and a great example of animations potential. I just would've liked to see that kiss.

Pistoff>I think work on T3 is underway now, but without James Cameron. Yes, it does feel good to be back in my coat. I felt kinda nekkid without it. And yeah, I thought finishing right then was freaky too. Maybe it was an omen. (Hopefully a good one) Thanks for the good wishes.

Warpmind> True, but at least The Butcher is from the Pointy-Haired Boss class of monsters. I mean, c'mon, he's a million year old demon, and he can't figure out how a doorknob works? And if that door is by a grating... Score another one for the Rogue. Be nice if Leoric was that dumb.

Celano> Thanks for the spider info.

Hi Jenna. Thanks for the good vibes.

Later.

"A friend is someone who'll help you move furniture. A real friend is someone who'll help you move a body."


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 02:49:19 PM
IP: ppp-247.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

ironwolf- thanks for the summery. now the series makes a little more sense looking at it.

Aaron- I think Celano is right about baby spiders dispersersing-
jenna
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 02:29:27 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

*wings in*

Aaron> Don't worry about the spiders. The eggs probably won't hatch until spring, and when do, the young spiders will disperse pretty quickly. All you'll have left is an empty sack and maybe a Shelob II. Besides, more spiders=less moquitos.

Wilek> As Disney songs go, I like "God Bless the Outcasts" myself. Not to mention the animation that accompanies it is spectacular.

*wings out*
Celano - [<--The Harpy's Nest]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 02:21:06 PM
IP: dial-50.r13.nccncr.infoave.net

Angel is a vampire. He Was the most sadistic evil sob that there ever was. Other vampires feared him he was so evil. He tortured a Gypsy princess and was cursed. The curse was to have his mortal soul given back to him. He went form being a total monster to person with a conscience who can love and feel remorse. The last part is the curse he feels remorse for all his victims. He didn’t just kill for food he hurt people for pleasure and now he has a conscience. You gotta admit it is a nasty thing to do. Take someone who has become a demon and turn the back to human with the knowledge of what they have done. Ps did I mention that they left him a vamp! He drinks animal blood but he is so tempted by the other white meat.
Oh and to break the curse. One moment of ultimate joy. I.e. sex with his true love buffy.
thats the background on Angel ok it was brief put the knives down some one else can do the whole history:)

ironwolf
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 02:05:16 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-178.cha.bellsouth.net

ironwolf--hey no problem.

And about the Angel thing- I never really watched, so I cant' say. But what is the curse anyway, that he can't be with Buffy (in that way yes) or hell die, or what? How did that happen? and Who arranged it? Or why would it be that way? -- I don't get it-- for those of you who do watch, what is the deal with it??

jenna
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 01:32:14 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

ironwolf> RE: Angel's curse: Real people live with tremendous burdens of grief and pain all the time. Belileve me, I know.

Lots of them resist the urge to take the easy way out (suicide) for years, either on their own, or through their faith, or with help from their friends.

Of course, with Angel, it's somewhat different since he's probably about 10,000 years old now, and has spent most of that time in Hell.

I don't think he'd sleep with Buffy again, but he might slip in another way. I can see an interesting plot for "Angel" where Doyle and Cordelia have to save Angel from himself.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 01:06:08 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Sevarius Jr.> Your analogy with Naught helped me understand the Boba Fett obsession. I freely admit I'm a far greater fan of Gargoyles than I am of Starwars...

Pistoff> I was planning a response but your post made me decide against it. IMHO you are far too ready to take offense, and I've promised myself I won't start another flame war. (and therefore this is my last post on the thread) So instead of a reply I'll most probably just write in the next few days a small essay on the logic, illogic and paradoxes of time-travel as found in both gargoyles and other series (And as for a matter of fact the thing I believe you don't understand is the reason that predestination isn't opposed to free will and the way history is subservient to its makers rather the other way around - nothing wrong about that btw: I certainly hope that the fact I don't understand how an electron can be both a wave and a particle doesn't make my mind "puny"...)
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:50:26 AM
IP: athe530-h028.otenet.gr

Jenna, Pistoff, Celano, wilek nereus, SOROW I want to thank yall and anyone I missed for their prayers and well wishes. It really means a lot to me… thank you.

I have a fandom question for all you angel fans. I was watching the show with a friend (and explaining the curse) He liked the show but said it was doomed. Why? He said that angel would sleep with buffy to end the curse. He believes that a real person would stop the torture of guilt and become a monster all over again, To have the freedom of no morals and live for pleasure. His argument was that no one would live with that kind of guilt if they didn’t have too. Me I don’t think I could become a monster again (of course he said I wouldn’t have the will not too, which lead to some thrust and parries of the vocal nature) So the question; if you were under Angel’s curse would you end the curse?

Jackal if you are lurking post ppls are starting to worry.

Oh btw vampire books I don’t think anyone mentioned Nancy Collins. “Sunglasses after dark” is a really good book and a start of a really good trilogy. She also has books out about; werewolves, angels, and demons.

ironwolf
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:58:56 AM
IP: host-209-215-9-217.cha.bellsouth.net

hmmm- at work there making us do compulsory drug testing. I don't know about you, I know the principal is good, yada, yada, yada, but there's something so violating about it..I mean we all gotta line up to go into the bathroom with our coworkers- could make for some funny, crude jokes..

Jessie Feff- Jane Austen lived in the period before the romantic period in literature. I believe it's called the Enlightenment Period. But check on that, but I do know for sure it was definately before the turmoil of the romantic period, and the industral revolution. That's why her writing is not so strongly emotional as say the Bronte's.

Kaioto- Liked the poem!! :) Wow!! Talk about great imagery, I could really see it in my head as I was reading it. WEll Done!!!! ^_^

Aaron-- now I am more than anxious to read your story!!! So glad you got it done, sorry youve been feeling yck lately, I know how that goes. But Pistoff's right, at least now you can wear your trenchcoat, and hey, the sweltering heat is gone!!

Warp- I loved the Matrix personally- I loved the intriacies of the plot, and the no formula approach they took to things. When Morpheus was captured, I thought, ok the coolest character is gonna die- so typical. When he didn't I thought, wow, now that's unusual-- I like this writing!!!!! So excited now that I know that they are going to continue the series, I cannot wait until we get to see the fight with the harvesters. That will be awesome visually.

ASriel-- hmm, she should die. Sorry. And I don't mean that harshly. But for the massacure to mean something, there must be casualties. Sometimes I think fans of the gargs want to prevent the tragedy, because we are taught in today's society that dying is losing. But it's not. To quote Iron Giant "It's bad to kill, but it not bad to die." There is no shame in dying, really, and it is inevitable. and yes, it scares me too, but I don't view it as failure. Maybe my beliefs help me I don't know-- and I can't believe I'm talking this deep early in the morning!! Ugh, coffee, coffee--

Pistoff- I figured you'd be a Matrix fan! :P The cleaner you all use at work- uhm, can I have some to use at home :P Keep your eyes peeled for a em.

Vinnie-- hmm, at first I must honestly say, I didn't like Vinnie at first- but he kind of grew on me. I like the fact that he is not too overused. I plan to use him later in my fanfic saga, so I'll give you all a little spoiler. Someone once thought of odd cartoon pairs, not necessarly, couples but would be funny to see together- I thought having Xanatos and Vinnie having to team up to solve a problem would be hilarious, because Xanatos strikes me as someone who can't stand incompetance, which Vinnie has in spades. Vinnie goes to Japan, like in the show, and basically hooks up with Taro. one thing leads to another, and well, he ends up having to team up with Xanatos to get out a fix that could both kill them. I imagine Xanatos being all polite, and then saying stuff under his breath.-- now everyone--this is my idea!!! Mine!! mine !! mine!! Talons off !! :P:P
jenna
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:43:27 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Aris: Oh, I still don't completely understand the concept, eh? Gee, it must be "too sophisticated" for my puny little mind to grasp. *shakes head* I assure you, I understand completely. I simply have a different view of the matter, that's all. *shrugs* Whatever. I'm sure that your response will be interesting, and I'm sure I'll completely disagree with it. :)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:27:40 AM
IP: wire-23.koalas.com

Sorry for the double post.
Aris Katsaris
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 09:34:09 AM
IP: pc-20.di.uoa.gr

Warpmind> Matrix was only about the special effects?!? Did we even see the same movie? Sheesh!

Time-Travel> Interesting comments there Pistoff, and ones I completely disagree with. :) I don't have much time right now, but I'm preparing a mega-response. I still think that you are not understanding the concept, and I believe that a new time-travel discussion *could* be quite interesting. But later.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 09:33:44 AM
IP: pc-20.di.uoa.gr

Warpmind> Matrix was only about the special effects?!? Did we even see the same movie? Sheesh!

Time-Travel> Interesting comments there Pistoff, and ones I completely disagree with. :) I don't have much time right now, but I'm preparing a mega-response. I still think that you are not understanding the concept, and I believe that a new time-travel discussion *could* be quite interesting. But later.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 09:33:28 AM
IP: pc-20.di.uoa.gr

Good Morning everyone,
Pistoff>>some of those signs reminded me of you, thought you would enjoy them.

David G>>thanks for the reply

I was searching my "funny" folder this A.M. and ran into my wise advise from kid's-- so here is a few more of them

>Don't squat with your spurs on. - Noronha, 13

>Don't pull dad's finger when he tells you to. - Emily, 10

>When your mom is mad at your dad, don't let her brush your hair. - Taylia, 11

>Never allow your three-year old brother in the same room as your school assignment. - Traci, 14

>Don't sneeze in front of mom when you're eating crackers. Mitchell, 12
and my personal favorite......
>Puppies still have bad breath even after eating a tic tac. - Andrew, 9
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 08:58:09 AM
IP: twin5917.magiclink.com

Gotta go in a sec, so I'll just reply quickly.

Wilek: I run MS-DOS 6.Whatever (not entirely too sure), and I have previously had a web browser. That was, however, such an entirely displeasing experience, I have since disacknowledged Arachne as a fully valid browser. So, to my knowledge, there is no MS-DOS web browser. Tough luck.

Later, everyone. Must... have... food...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 08:07:00 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Sorry for the double post.

Wilek> I was forced to remove the Ballpitria site -- I ran low on web space. If anyone else wants to host it, I still have the requisite files (on CD, no less), and can post a redirect page.
Selanit
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 08:02:15 AM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

Salutations, people.

Pistoff et al.> I've been round and about, these last few months. My 'Net access was limited to modem speed, which cut back on my reading and posting drastically. I simply am not patient enough to wait for the comment room to load at 26.4 baud. Now, however, I have access to a LAN again, and can resume posting. Yay! In the meantime, everyone go read my two newest 'fics, if you haven't already done so.

I am currently in Lancaster England on a student exchange. I will be here all year, and I'm loving it so far. Just like the man who jumped off the Empire State Building: all the way to the bottom he said "OK so far, OK so far . . ."

Lady Foxglove> Sorry I didn't get feedback back to you on that last fic. I just forgot. I was working. I had to wash my hair. Ok, so I don't have any decent excuse. :-ţ Send me an email.

Asrial as a Ghost> Hey, that would be kind of neat. I can't remember who said it, but I like that idea. It would still need some careful set up, of course, but that could really be kind of cool. Poor Asrial would hate it, though. Having to watch while others did for her? Not her style. She'd start practicing possession so she could take people over long enough to put things together, I'm sure.


Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 07:59:54 AM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

**RP!**

[Wilek: "Um...'True Borg'?" Administrator: "It is a long and involved tale. In short, the Phalanx were formerly a Node, or branch, of the Collective, as were my own branch, the Vilomaxia. They seceded from the Collective under the guise of technical difficulties, but it was a ruse, to hide the fact that they intended to separate the other Nodes from each other, causing us to descend into chaos and disorder. They ultimately intend to assimilate the other Nodes and become the one true Collective. If they do, they will become virtually unstoppable. Already they have consumed the Ex Nihilati, Guod's branch." Wilek: "Wow...I had no idea there was so much infighting among the Borg." Administrator: "Most of the other Nodes are extinct. The only ones I know to still exist are mine and the Phalanx. Soon, there will be only one."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Guess what, y'all. I almost didn't make it here tonight. I logged in, ran my browser--and it came up with a blank page. Hearty WTF there. I still haven't figured out what those idiots at my ISP are up to, and on top of that, I still have yet to try my repair for my MIDI cable. >8(

Pistoff> <<He's lucky he slammed into that tree and killed himself. It was a far quicker death than I would've given him. *cracks knuckles*>> Heh heh heh...hey, what's this guy's name? Maybe he's eligible for a Darwin Award? >;) <<actually, I might be able to help. We've got some industrial cleaning supplies at Pizza Hut that can strip the varnish off a foot locker. ;) The purple stuff is especially effective. It would remove that stain in no time...of course, it might also dissolve your celing... O_o>> Heh...thanks but no thanks; I'm fond of my ceiling. :) (Although if the screaming face that's starting to form in the stain gets any more distinct, I'd be more than happy to take you up on that offer...) <<yes, the surgeons amputated the *wrong* leg--and still needed to cut off the one that should've been cut off in the first place. And there was another a few years ago, a guy who went in to be circumscized (why, I'll never understand...that's a part of the body that should NEVER have ANYTHING cut off of it...)...and...*crosses legs*...the doctor chopped the whole thing off. Bobbittized him.>> :O <shudder> There are no words...

Robby> <<Scary thought... Jackie Chan meets Steve Irwin, Crocadile Hunter...>> Eee...I can just see them daring each other to do increasingly stupid stuff...Steve: "Yo, Jackie, wanna drive a motorcycle off this waterfall?" Chan: "Sure, if you'll stick your head in this tiger's mouth!" They'd Darwin themselves right out of the genepool in five minutes.

Warpmind> <<No, I do NOT have any version of Windows whatsoever, so coming to me with Netscape won't do.>> Hm...what OS do you have? Maybe there's a browser for it? <<I thought the Death Star 2 force field generator was located on Endor's surface?>> The generator that protected the entire Death Star was on Endor; I think there was another one inside the Death Star protecting some crucial part of the reactor core. Although I could be mistaken.

Celano> Hey, good to see you here! :D

Scott Iskow> So that's how Chewie died...Well, the author escapes death this time. But if I disapprove of any future deaths...Mr. Thingy and I will be ready. <muhahaha>

Spacebabie> <<A teenager in Boise Idaho had to be rushed to the hospital after trying to reinact a "Certain" scene from "American pie" with a real piping hot pie. He suffered second degree burns on his "Special" part.>> Yet another Darwin Award candidate, hopefully! >8)

Ironwolf> <<To make matters worse his family basically stuck a knife in his back and took turns twisting it. He is an atheist and well in every sermon or speech given by the different members of the family; they would rub it in.>> WHAT...?!! <GRR> Clearly they didn't care too much about him, not like a family should. >8( As if the death of his grandfather weren't bad enough by itself...

Jenna> Rugrats In Paris...?! Oh dear godz, will it never end?!!

Zath> <<I came across something somewhere that claimed an angle named Azareel was the curer of stupidity.>> Indeed? <blink> Looking at much of the world outside the CR, it would seem that she's retired. :P

Aaron> <<Then I take a look outside and see that the palm sized spider who lives on my back porch (who we've nicknamed Shelob) seems to have an egg sack. I'm *really* not sure how to feel about that. I like spiders, but...>> Flamethrower. Now. <<Now I'm having a really weird vision of glam rock Daleks, a la Velvet Goldmine, on stage croaking out "20th century Boy">> ROTFLMTO!!! :D

Selanit> Hey, welcome back! :D Hey, whatever happened to the Ballpitria site? It's 404 now...

Shogun Raptor> <<everyone's favorite plasma rifle-toting immortal blue nutcase sneaks into their hotel, kidnaps them, "joyrides" them (and we all know what THOSE entail) and then torches the hotel to A) get rid of any evidence and B) to deep-six any she might've missed>> <MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA> Oh, how I love the way your mind works! >8D

SOROW> <<they don't have those gay songs like Disney does!>> I wouldn't say all Disney songs are 'gay'; stuff like 'My Lullaby' and 'Poor Unfortunate Souls' is pretty kewl. :)

SJ> <<Speaking of Star Wars....I found a very humorous little Star Wars article....it's about the Jar Jar Binks doll being used for some VERY nefarious purposes.>> I've run across that. Eeek...what kind of mind could come up with those uses for that doll?!

David G> <<I guess I could use one of my swords instead, but "Psychotic Sword Murderer" just doesn't have the same ring.>> Have a spare chainsaw? 'Psychotic Chainsaw Murderer' sounds great. >:)

Fire Storm> <<I don't know who posted the link to the Voyager Borg story, but thanks! Good readings!>> I think it was me, and you're welcome! ^_^

Kaioto> Poem> :O <stands and applauds, too overcome with awe to do much else>

T.J. Veil> <<Seriously though, if the show had gone to another season, I think that without Megabyte, the show would bring in Daemon as the main antagonist.>> Oh, how I would have loved to see that. In fact, there were quite a few other loose ends to take care of--the no less than four budding romances (Dot/Bob, Enzo/Andraia, Mouse/Ray, Boola/the little accountant dude), Hexidecimal's transformation from a nutcase into a ditz (I preferred the former, but oh well), the Tale Of Two Enzoes, the loss of the Saucy Mare...why oh why wasn't there a fourth season?! <<one fan kept sending in scripts and story ideas for the show, even though they kept telling him they couldn't even look at them. The fan, Jose Chung, was almost certainly surprised when his name (but not any of his ideas) was used in a story as a science fiction novelist.>> :O Wow...and that character's episode is one of my favorites, too! I'm speechless...

**RESUME RP!**

[Administrator: "When we reach the Phalanx Prime, *I* will attend to him. This is *my* battle, and this is *my* debt to collect." The team continues to stride toward the command center, the Administrator at its head, when she stops, just as they reach a corner. "He is *very* near. Wait here; you may proceed when he is...no longer a concern."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 06:04:53 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

T.J. Veil: I thought the Death Star 2 force field generator was located on Endor's surface? And because of that, the Rebels had to enlist the aid of those damned annoying ewoks?

And I don't even think I'm wrong on that one...

Well, gotta go.

I'll see y'all later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 05:37:39 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hello everyone. Sorry it's been so long since I posted, but I had some RL stuff going on last week, including mid-terms and other assorted crap.

shogun raptor - ReBoot: Sounds like a cool idea. They had so many cameo-style binomes in that show that one of my favorite things to do when watching it was just to look in the background and see who I could find. Seriously though, if the show had gone to another season, I think that without Megabyte, the show would bring in Daemon as the main antagonist.

The Matrix - I loved this movie. The FX kicked ass, and it actually had a cool plot. I think that if more action movies had decent plots I'd enjoy them more.

Chewie's death - Although the basic storylines for the books may go through Lucas, from what I've heard, George Lucas only considers six of the books as cannon. Those are: Shadows of the Empire, Truce at Bakura, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and the Zahn trilogy. He may have changed this at some point, but this is what I heard about a year ago. So Chewie may not be as dead as you think.

On a different Wookie note, If you're into CCG's you might want to check out the upcoming (next week I believe) Young Jedi expansion. One of the common cards is the Wookie Senator, who completely kicks butt in the Galactic Senate. He can even take on the new Starter Set version of Darth Maul in an even fight there. It is not wise to piss off the Wookies.

Fanfic/Series relations - In almost every TV series today, series writers do not look at fanfic. It is considered bad form to take ideas from someone else. In fact, they don't usually take unsolicited spec scripts or story ideas. One of the more amusing X-Files anecdotes is that one fan kept sending in scripts and story ideas for the show, even though they kept telling him they couldn't even look at them. The fan, Jose Chung, was almost certainly surprised when his name (but not any of his ideas) was used in a story as a science fiction novelist.

Vinnie fans - I didn't know there were so many of you. Fight now I'm trying to come up with some creative ways to kill him off in my stories...

Aris - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remeber RoTJ right, they didn't use technobabble. They merely had another ship shoot out the force field generator so they could get a shot at the core with the big guns on the Millenium Falcon. Of course, this is just memory, so it could be wrong.

Asrial - Since nobody else has said it, I will. Kill the B!tch. I never liked her that much anyways. For the most part, she's Lex without the warrior spirit. I think that putting her in the present would be pointless (except for maybe causing some Goliath/Elisa angst). The clan already has a techno-geek type person. It doesn't need another. And in the past, although she does have her decent points, I've never warmed to her as I have to other Dark Ages characters. In fact, from what I've seen of her so far, she shouldn't last until the massacre. I just see her as someone that Goliath is destined to lose.

Jessie - Food poisoning at Dairy Queen? I believe it. My mom and sister have gotten food poisoning from a fast-food place (Taco Johns) before. They were both throwing up off and on for the next couple of days. Hope you get feeling better soon.

Thought for the Day:
"There's a very easy way to define friendship. A friend is someone who won't stop until he finds you and brings you home."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 03:26:55 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

SW Ep I blooper > Yeah, I noticed that, too. I'm sort of a nitpicky person, so I tend to catch things like that. Like, "Jurassic Park" is absolutely _full_ of errors. My favorite editing type of error is in "Anaconda"...pretty dumb movie, but one scene made me do a double-take and rewind--and sure enough, they ran a shot backwards...making a waterfall flow _up_. Heeheehee.

Pistoff > Yeah, my old dentist was a wierd guy. That suction hose thing was named Charlie...I don't remember any other names.

Well, I haven't been feeling so well lately, and finally went to the clinic today. And--Whoo-hoo!--I probably have a case of food poisoning...I think it was those damn chicken strips from Dairy Queen...Grr.

Uhmm, does anyone know/remember the name of the period Jane Austin lived in and wrote about? Pre-Victorian...was it the Romance period? I can't for the life of me remember.

People who were discussing pagan holidays > My friend Allison is getting married on Samhaim (Grr, did I spell that right?). The wedding dance is going to be a masquerade ball.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 02:56:52 AM
IP: ctrts3-3.mrs.umn.edu

Have no fear, Warpmind is here :)

Okay, my work on translating the HTML codes into pure text is progressing... 22 episodes done so far (14 of Dark Ages and 6 of Pendragon) and I hope to get more done later today. Stonekeep'll just hafta wait.

*Gives Jewel Thumbs Up.* Of COURSE Matrix is a cool movie. And *I* caught it in one of the best "normal" theatres in Norway... hehehehehe...

Wilek: Jackie Chan's life isurance premiums? Dude, I think the companies rightdown REFUSE to insure him.

Pissy: Hey, coffee is okay... no prescriptions there. It's the CAFFEINE TABS that are prescription only.

Fire Storm: I have to strip the HTML tags when I am to read because A: HTML tags makes the text next to unreadable when using a plain text editor like MS-DOS Edit, and B: I have no HTML reader whatsoever. I did have one, once, it was called Arachne, a DOS HTML reader, but it was pretty crummy and basic... and before you ask: No, I do NOT have any version of Windows whatsoever, so coming to me with Netscape won't do. (I am apparently forever doomed to use school internet to access the TGS CR.)

Aaron: "Don't die, you'll only die tired." *Snicker* Most amusing. And true. Speaking of which, don't you agree that the Butcher is one of the worst adversaries in the game, surpassed only by Leoric, at least in the first few levels when you have squat armor and only a crummy POS bow?

Delphi: Groovy signs. (I'm a Scorpio myself, pun intended.)

Christine: SW1 Blooper? Hmmm... a worthwhile pursuit indeed, an intriguing idea for the next time I shall see it...

Fire Storm: You worry about cheapening the plot in Matrix 2&3 (which are in the works even now)? What the F***? Who cares about the plot? It's all about the Special Effects! No offense.

Okay, all things replied to (that really were of any consequence... and a few that weren't), so I'll just leave for now. But I'll be back.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 02:16:13 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

*wings in* Ah, yes. Harry Potter. I've been meaning to pick up one of those. But I'm kinda having a Piers Anthony fest at the moment right now and it keeps getting in the way. ;)

Ironwolf> Your poor friend! He has my sympathies, and my prayers.

SOROW> Anastasia didn't have gay songs??

Kaioto> Naah. My Icq is still dead. But soon, my friend. Verry soon. Nifty poem, btw. :)

*wings out*
Celano - [has a new Pikachu plush!]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 01:10:31 AM
IP: dial-22.r13.nccncr.infoave.net

Ah well … I've just totally lost my motivation, between being sick and everything else, I've not been able to take time out to write a descent post in weeks. Boy, that is pretty depressing.

But now I'm pretty much done with the sickness thing. I did some writing, completed some projects, did some laundry. Now I feel that maybe I've got enough of a warm up to make a contribution.

Blue Caeru + Christine: I had to admit that when I watched "Star Wars: TPM" I had to occasionally do double takes on Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and just shake my head and muse about which eye I was willing to give up to have those kind of hair styles. :)

Selanit: Hey, where have you been hiding?

Celano: Hiyas, Harpy-girl! Are you ever getting your ICQ back up again?

A few friends let me in on a fun campaign they just started up, hybridizing Mechwarrior and the GURPS role-playing system. I designed a character I find quite amusing, a walking pile of complexes.

Well, besides getting caught up in Final Fantasy VII, I also had this poem that kept chasing me down to finish its first draft. I figured I'd share it here, but I just wanted to tag a disclaimer on this that it is not a poem about my life, or my personal experiences, even though it has first person references. It is about what happens when our society decides we are to be taught instead of being allowed to learn.

I trusted you, a friend of my father.
I trusted you, when you took me in.
I trusted you, in every trial.
I trusted you, when you made me perch, hushed to silence, the only proper way to learn.
I trusted you, when you fed me Ritalin, pale colored drugs, to combat my normal state, which made it so hard for ~ you ~ to concentrate.
I trusted you, when you clipped my wings.

You called me clay; I had a name; you ignored it.
You called me clay, and kneaded me, and beat out my air.
You called me clay, and fired my soul, and dried my water.
You called me clay, having molded me, having twisted me, to suit your designs.
You called me clay, all the while working, driving out my spirit, my individuality, burning my very humanity.
You called me clay, from table to kiln, to make me hard.
You called me clay, and made a tool, and called this 'teaching.'

You took your tool, and sold me off.
You sold me off, to a user of tools.
This user of tools, would put me to wear.
He'd where me down, and dull my edge, chip and crack my unyielding self, and then throw me away.
He'd throw me away, at the end of my usefulness, to finally shatter, to gray-bleached dust, my life consumed.
He'd consume my life, if I stayed clay.

… But I am a man …

I was a man, sower of dreams, rider of dragons.
I was a man, maker of worlds, skilled artisan.
I was a man, master of self, friend of the other.
I was a man, creative, noble, True.
I was a man, 'fore you made me forget, my fancies with freedom, my youth with my family, my soul with my God.
I was a man, an angel - now fallen; you clipped my wings.

And now I stand, this wingless angel.
Unable to fly, I must walk.
This concrete jungle, of black-souled beasts.
The price of Truth, to be forgotten, to be despised, to lose illusion,
The grim reality, your trash-lined streets, your broken boulevards, your smoke-filled skies, your hollow towers of shattered glass.
You like to play god? - Well now I'm the fallen angel.

Because you stole my wings …

Because you stole my wings, so now I'll take your kingdom.
Now I'll kill you lies, with the fires of Truth.
You servant of Lucifer, mark me well!
For when I return, to your ill-gained height, He'll walk with me, the True Prince of Light.
Your false heavens, shall be torn asunder, your shroud of darkness, burned in the Light of Truth.
For our Maker shall lift up, what you cast down.

On eagle's wings …


Toku Kaioto - CR Sage - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:30:33 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Asriel's death: Personally, even though I like her, I hope she DOES die. I mean, if she lived to the modern times, in a way it would kind of cheapen the massacre. ALTHOUGH I would like to see Goliath's reaction to seeing his Rookery sister that he had a crush on (and kinda still does) and Elisa's reaction to him.

Spacebabie: American Pie: Geez... Well, I guess that in a few years he will win the Darwin Award.

Matrix Sequels: Hmm... no sir, I don't like it. The ending of The Matrix made it so that any sequels would basicailly cheapen the plot.

Janeway: I don't know who posted the link to the Voyager Borg story, but thanks! Good readings!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:25:38 AM
IP: 216.90.45.159

Robby: Well, even if history doesn't always record what Brooklyn might've done...history is history, whether anybody records it or not. The thing that bugs me about this kind of time travel is that everything is locked down. Even if Brooklyn *thinks* he's making his own decisions, the reality is that every action he takes has been predetermined--he does it because it's what he did before. As for Goliath influencing the timeline by bringing Griff to the present...again, Goliath thought his actions were his own, but what he did was already a part of history. He was simply completing the circle.

Now, we can examine this a little more. Goliath went back through time and prevented Griff from being killed. Immediately, a building almost fell on Griff, except Goliath saved his ass again. Then a plane almost crashed on him, and Goliath once again rescued him. Now, this could mean that Griff was "meant" to die...which implies predetermination or destiny or fate, or whatever you want to call it--and that's one of those concepts that just annoys me...or, we can speculate that this was nothing more than a rapid-fire string of coincidences, and maybe if Goliath had left Griff there after the plane crash, nothing more would've happened and Griff would've returned home safe and sound, and everything connected to Griff would've turned out different. But because history can't be altered (at least while using the Phoenix Gate), Goliath was locked into a cycle that he wasn't aware existed. To me, that's rather aggravating, because no matter what this character or that one chooses to do, the outcome is already determined. I simply don't buy into that, because the future hasn't happened yet (in fact, IMO, time travel is a little too far-fetched, even though I've used it myself--one of those ideas that just wouldn't leave me alone...and even then, I wrote it so the past could be altered; in the "original" future, the earth was destroyed, and the hero goes back 39 years and prevents the world's destruction)...the future hasn't happened yet, therefore we make changes with every action, every word. The idea that my actions are part of somebody else's past, that my actions have already been mapped out even though I believe I'm in control...that just irks the hell out of me. *shrugs* Anyway, this is one of the reasons this particular series doesn't really interest me. If I get into the other reasons (mainly, the Phoenix Gate being a "magical" artifact--uggh! As I've mentioned before, the concept of magic is another thing that pisses me off... ;), I'd end up writing a rant that would overload the CR. *evil grin*

Anyway, I didn't mean to sound grumpy or insulting when I made those comments last night. If that's the way it came across, I apologize. I also wasn't saying that I don't intend to read "Trust no Future." I was just explaining why I haven't read Timedancer (except for "Requiem") and why I wasn't aware of Minnie. I'll read "Trust no Future" as soon as I have time. I've been swamped lately, is all. Hey, I've sorta become a Vinnie fan myself, so if it's a Vinnie story ("of sorts" ;), I'll read it. :)

Oh, and I loved that Jackie Chan quote. LOL :) And the idea of Jackie meeting Steve Irwin... *shudder* Jackie is the cool kind of nuts, but Irwin just reminds me of a lot of my idiot customers. This guy *allows* snakes to bite him, for chrissake! That isn't crazy, it's STUPID. Every time he wrestles another crocodile, I find myself rooting for the croc. ;)

Stormy: Yeah, I'd love it if Asrial could be brought forward in TGS. Actually, I sorta did that in my own stories...emphasis on "sorta." I had seen the character in one of the early TGS Gargoyles stories (I think the title was "Past Imperfect," or something like that). I only saw a scene or two with Asrial in that one, and her name wasn't mentioned. Since I haven't read any of Dark Ages, I didn't know what her name was or what she looked like, except that she had orange skin. It wasn't until I'd given her a name (Cornelia, aka Corny--or, after getting together with Lexington, "Horny Corny" :) that I found out her "real" name was Asrial. Furthermore, since I didn't know what she looked like, I didn't know she had horns. Jessie Feff drew a picture of Cornelia for me a while back, which I absolutely loved--then I saw a pic of Asrial...heh...honestly, I prefer Jessie's pic, in which Corny doesn't have horns, and she has fan-style ears. IMO, Asrial's horns look rather...goofy. *shrugs* Anyway, my version of Asrial is a bit different from the TGS character she's based on...but aside from the unintentional differences, she's basically the same gargoyle. :)

Celano: Hey! Good to see ya in here! Sorry I haven't been popping up in the S8 room, but I've been too busy. Sheesh, I used to be able to keep up with both of these CRs, plus the Adult one, every night. But then I got bored and disgusted with the Adult CR (most of the posts in there were about "I want to see another naughty picture" or "When will there be more naughty stories posted?" kind of childish crap...), and I just haven't had time to keep up with both of the remaining CRs. Heh, besides, Todd and Airwalker usually cover every angle of each new topic as soon as it's brought up... *g* Well, anyway, nice to see you in here. And I loved your comment about money being a greater power than the Force. LOL!

Aris: While I pride myself on being "hardwired in a different way" from most people, I assure you that I *do* get the concept. I understand completely. I simply don't agree with it. (See my comment to Robby for a detailed explanation.)

Spacebabie: <I heard this on the radio this morning. The woman reporting the news couldent keep from laughing when she reptrted it. A teenager in Boise Idaho had to be rushed to the hospital after trying to reinact a "Certain" scene from "American pie" with a real piping hot pie. He suffered second degree burns on his "Special" part.> Oh, how I hope the damage will be severe enough to prevent this guy from further polluting the gene pool with his dumb$h!t DNA. :)

Ironwolf: Sorry about the death of your friend's grandfather. It's not fair or right for his family to "rub it in" during the sermons just because he's an athiest. I'm sure he's in just as much pain as the rest of them are. I'm an athiest myself, and while I don't pray, I will send all the good vibes I can muster. :)

Christine: The Episode One blooper sounds like one of the postproduction people spliced the film in backward. It's somehow comforting to know that, even on a big-budget movie like this one, they still screw things up. ;) But if you wanna see a MAJOR blooper that few people seem to have noticed, go watch Episode IV again. Did you notice the scene where one of those gilloutine-speed doors on the Death Star almost decapitated one of the stormtroopers? It's the part of the movie where the stormtroopers are searching for Artoo and Threepio. A squad of troopers marches through a door, and the door starts to come down--and one of the stragglers smacks his forehead into the bottom edge of the door at maximum speed and almost knocks himself on his ass. I went to see the Special Edition of this movie, and guess what? Even with all the revamping and new special effects--nobody fixed that scene! When it came up, I leaned forward in my seat, watching for it, expecting that it had been caught and removed...but no. KAPOW! Everybody around me was wondering why I was ROTFL... ;)

Jenna: Yeah, The Matrix did have an ending that left a door open for sequels. I can't wait to see 'em! But Blair Witch 2?? No way! I have no intention of seeing the first one, and I'm sure as hell not watching a sequel. Terminator 3 should be pretty good if James Cameron writes and directs it, but if anybody else does it, I don't see how it could match the first two. And Rugrats in Paris...oh, for crying out f--kin' loud! Sounds like a direct-to-video movie, to me. ;)

Aaron: Ack! Sorry about all the problems. But I'm glad you can at least wear your trenchcoat now. :) I've got my fingers and everything else crossed for ya. And...heh...you finished your first fic at two minutes to midnight? That's...eerie. O_o

Selanit: Good to see ya in here again! :) As for how to bring Asrial into the present without it being contrived...well, I *sorta* did it (see my comment to Stormy for details :). In fact, I brought the whole clan forward...I wanted to play around with the wide variety of reactions they would have to suddenly waking up in 1999, and finding out about the other changes they've gone through. Asrial (or, in this case, Cornelia) loves where she ended up. On the other hand, the clan elders are being rather grumpy about the whole thing...while one of the elders quickly fell in love with a guy she met online, and was shocked to find out that he was 13 years old, and that alienated her from the rest of the elders...oops, I'm babbling again. What was my point? Oh, yeah...I hope the way I brought them forward wasn't contrived, but I think it *was* rather convoluted.... I don't know how it would be done in TGS, if it's done at all, but this is one possibility. Asrial's a fun character, and it'd be a shame and a disappointment if she were among the casualties of the Wyvern Massacre--or if she was killed even earlier, as I've heard some people speculating a while back....

Delphi: LMAO at those signs. :) Reminds me of a bumper sticker that my ex-boss got for me when she was on a trip a couple of months ago: "You can have my gun when you pry it from my paranoid, mentally disturbed, physically-abusive, cold, dead hand." She said she thought of me as soon as she saw it. ;)

Airwalker: Well, as mentioned above, I did that to the whole clan (see my comments to Stormy and Selanit). I've been told that it's "too happy"...but it was one of those ideas that wouldn't leave me alone until I wrote it out. It was one of those "Will I be able to make it work?" kinds of things. The main reason I write stories is to put the characters into weird situations and see what happens. This doesn't mean that none of them will die later...some might, others might not. It all depends on how the story arc progresses. I usually prefer to continually rake characters over a cheese grater, rather than letting them die...because when they die, it's over. If absolutely necessary to the plot, yes, I kill characters when needed...but to me it's more fun to torment them as much as possible. Give them a breather now and then, let things go easily for a while, so they become complacent...then hit 'em with a real hum-dinger. *evil, evil grin* Still, if Asrial came back as a ghost, unable to touch anything or appear to anybody except a few people...she wouldn't remain Asrial for very long. She'd probably go insane, I think, and eventually her entire existence would be focused around one thing: Ending it. Heh...I don't mind a little darkness...but too much of it is just depressing....

SJ: I agree that the ability to alter the past opens up a lot more story possibilities, which is why I prefer it. And I've heard about that Jar Jar doll...heh...I wouldn't mind seeing a female one (Imagine what those lips could do... ;) but not Jar Jar. Oh god, please, no... *shudders* ;)

"The business of writing cartoons has always been tough; it's a bunny-eat-bunny world out there." ---Anonymous
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Oh my god, I actually posted two nights in a row! O_O
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:05:50 AM
IP: wire-16.koalas.com

Hi everybody. I haven't said anything for a while, and thought I'd better mention that I wasn't dead. (Of course, none of you would know all the reasons that I might be dead... [joke-don't worry])

I don't really have any opinions on the current topics of discussion. I haven't read New Jedi Order, and I've only read about three Dark Ages episodes. The series never grabbed me, but then, I was short on time when I started it. The stories I read were good, just not as compelling as the other three series'.

Let's see, I guess I could blather about my personal life. Some of you might enjoy it (and SOMEBODY should be enjoying it [another joke, mostly]). Steve and Matt are still moving ahead with the video game. I spent my lunch break today designing cool power ups, which Matt will get to see tomorrow. We're getting to the point in this thing that I need to start protecting my interests. I don't think these guys would steal from me, but I want to make sure.

My other big venture is a seedling RPG publisher that a friend of mine wants to start. I really can't say much about this at all, but I will tell you that the first world book we're doing is mine, maybe the second, too. This is incredibly cool.

Now if the damn main computer system at work would stop crashing, life would be rosy. I walked in today, found a list of corrupted records on my desk, saw a note taped to my monitor that said one of my main cataloging tools wouldn't work all day, then started getting calls that every terminal in the building was down...

I'm trying to think of a sutibly terrible death for DC, but I think that if I did, I'd turn into a raging psychotic axe murderer, and I don't have the spare cash for a good axe right now. Damn. Oh well, I'm sure someone else will be willing to kill him for me, or buy me an axe.

I guess I could use one of my swords instead, but "Psychotic Sword Murderer" just doesn't have the same ring.

Oh well, that's about enough for one night. All I really have left to complain about is the incredible game my GM ran Saturday. Wow, were we ever screwed, and all he had to do was sit there and let us do all the work. I stand in awe, even as I'm incredibly depressed by the whole thing since I tend to empathize with my characters, and my PC really suffered in that session.

Bye now.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, October 18, 1999 11:38:29 PM
IP: pppa37-fortworth1-3r775.saturn.bbn.com

***BEGIN RP***
SJ and Kari continued to run down the right corridor in their urgent quest to reach the control room before Prime had the chance to eliminate the elder Sevarius.
Kari looked over her shoulder. "Um....I don't see Jim. Or Black Tiger. They were right behind us..."
"I'm sure they can handle themselves." SJ said. The sound of Jim's screams reached them. "Well, *relatively* sure."
At that moment, they finally reached the entrance to the control room. Beyond, in the twisted technoorganic innards of the Sphinx's belly, lay the heart and center of the Phalanx's Earth node. It also held the Phalanx's commander-in-chief, the Phalanx Prime...and SJ knew that was where his father was imprisoned. His jaw set, he picked up the pace and prepared to run into the room with his rifle blazing and hell bent on rescuing his father.
He slammed back to the ground as if he had just ran straight into a brick wall.
It was not too far from the truth, although the construct was not made of brick. A mass of Phalanx tissue had abruptly formed in the brief seconds it took SJ to reach the entrance. The passage was blocked, permitting no one from entering. SJ picked himself up off from the floor, blood running out of one nostril; the impact was not without injury. He leveled his rifle at the wall, and fired, but to no avail. Kari too joined in, but neither could destroy much of the Phalanx wall without the damaged sections repairing themselves in mere seconds.
"NO!" SJ shouted, pounding on the wall with his fists. "NO! I'm so close!"
Without warning, tendrils snaked up from the floor, wrapping themselves around the two heroes. They were completely immobolized within seconds. As soon as they were subdued, the wall began to recede...before long it was completely gone.
Prime appeared in the entrance. "Ah...good to see you made it. I was so hoping you would."
"Bastard, let me go!" SJ screamed, struggling against his bonds.
"No, no, dear boy. Not yet. You'll have your turn. But first, you shall be given the grand pleasure of seeing your beloved father literally fall to pieces. He's no further use to us...and I do so love to tie up loose ends."
****PAUSE RP***

Boba Fett: I think Scott summed it up best. Regardless of Mr. Lucas' obvious disinterest in him, Fett was an intriguing character that struck a chord with many fans because he was so mysterious. We knew nothing about him, yet he was able to go toe-to-toe (for a moment or two, anyway) with Luke and Han. Fans wanted more of him, so we get to see him in some of the literary Star Wars supplements, like the "Bounty Hunter Wars" trilogy. Plus, he has a sort of rogue/anti-hero sort charm about him, which can be quite interesting.

Aris: Look at it this way--remember how in Gargoyles people wanted to know who that guy in the fedora/trenchcoat was during the Gathering scene? (Wasn't his name Naught?). People wanted to know who he was, and what he was doing there. Greg gave us some 411 on him. Now, to a casual Gargoyles fan, the question could have been posed "Who the hell cares who he is, he only has 2 seconds of air time and adds nothing to the plot." But a die-hard Gargs fan wants to know who he is, what he does, etc. Same way with Fett. Fans saw an interesting character and wanted more of him.

Speaking of Star Wars....I found a very humorous little Star Wars article....it's about the Jar Jar Binks doll being used for some VERY nefarious purposes. Click on my name to go there.
And before you ask, it's a *joke* ;)
And YES, I am resorting to a Jar Jar sex story in an effort to get our beloved Jackal to post in here. Here that Jack? A story about Jar Jar involving sex! Don't miss it!

Good news....I just heard that the Blair Witch Project comes out on video this Friday. In time for Halloween no less!

Joe Boxer: Hmm, like Limp and Rage? Sounds good to me :) But yeah, maybe you could get a little mail order thing going, at least to those who are abroad and want to order your CD. Are you guys mainly a local band? If so, do you get some airplay on the local radios? If not, you should pester the hell out of them. I rememeber Jimmie's Chicken Shack when they were just a few local boys here in the DC/Maryland/Virginia area, playing small clubs. Now they're huge, and on freakin' MTV. I only hope you guys do as well as they seem to have :)

Time Travel: Oh boy, are we going to start that headache again? All I'll say is that it's fine to have the theory that you can travel through time and *not* change anything; that's probably a scientific probability, taking for granted we could actually time travel in the first place. All I'm saying is that it's more interesting (well, to me at least) to have plots where the past *can* be changed; much more possibilities, even though there's the danger of things getting out of hand, storywise. The "time is like a river", never-changing flow type of time travel storytelling was always too limiting to me....Except in 12 Monkeys. It worked in 12 Monkeys...
I'd better shut up right now. This is going to start another time travel debate, and the last one we had (several months back) strained a few neurons.
***RESUME RP***
"We'd better hurry," Wilek commented. "If we want to stop Prime and save SJ's dad, we need to get moving."
"But can we stop Prime?" Terri asked. "He's supposed to be the head of the Phalanx, right? He won't exactly be a pushover like his drones."
"Leave that to me," the Administrator said coldly. "We'll see how well he fairs against the true Borg!"
" 'True' Borg?" Wilek muttered under his breath...
***END RP****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, October 18, 1999 11:27:49 PM
IP: 207-172-41-42.s42.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

STORMY - You wrote: [Would you be happy if Asrial was brought forward in time, or should she be among one of the fallen at the Wyvern massacre?]

Asrial is a great character, defintely my favorite from DARK AGES. And as much as I'd love to see her appear in main TGS, I don't think that it should be done. Sometimes there just aren't happy endings and sometimes characters we like don't always make it. If she's brought forward somehow then why not some other DARK AGES character? If it's done once then it becomes easier the next time and the time after that until almost nobody dies in the Wyvern Massacure and it becomes just a minor inconvience in Goliath's life.

Goliath, Hudson, and the Trio survived the Massacure and made it to the present due to a magical curse. Demona survived due to a magical blessing/curse (depending on how you look at immortality). The Coldtrio are around in modern times only at the highest of prices (that's why I was so disappointed when this was just wiped away in a few seconds when Titania restored Coldstone and Coldfire to true flesh; it just made their ordeal an inconvience that is now gone instead of a real price that has to be paid for semi-ressurection). Asrial can't be brought forward intact without it lessening the series feel that TGS strives for and if she was brought forward at a heavy price then she wouldn't be the Asrial that we are currently reading about, anymore than Demona 1994 was the same as Angel 971.

Now that doesn't mean that Asrial has to die in the Wyvern Massacure. It's possible that she died years before, killed by an exploding invention or in an attack on the castle or even in battle. It's possible that she could have left the castle some time after 979 (the last flashback we got of her was dated 979) for a variety of reasons. Maybe she decided to travel the world with Harthoth since after all he has a great interest and love for knowledge. She might even have been a little ray of light for him in millienia of darkness if they did meet and get to know each other.

And if it's really necessary to bring her into the present there is a simple option open that would be in the spirit of the show. She could always come back as a Ghost. Wyvern is there on top of the Eyrie. If she died in that place some years earlier, it's possible that the combined magic of a Fey, a Halfling, a Quaterling, and the various magical battles as well as the energy released by the dying Unseelie might allow her to manifest in the physical realm. She'd still be the same character mentally more or less but the price for being in this time would be paid. It would be interesting to see a Ghost Asrial, unable to touch anything physical so she is denied the ability to create any of her inventions, watching from the sidelines and only able to manifest herself to only a few of the characters like Goliath, Hudson, and Lexington. Still there, still a bit seperate from everyone, but still Asrial and still having hope.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, October 18, 1999 10:54:05 PM
IP: 92.new-york-01-02rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Sevarius: Thanks. That is a good idea. I really hadn't thought about mail ordering. Actually the problem is that we're not big enough to have poeple want our cd by mail. But, I guess if you guys really wanted it that bad, that you could send me a couple bucks, and I could send it to you. Something really cool is that we have a friend who's an intern at this radio station called the EDGE. Well, he said he could bring this guy from the staion who actually works for Capricorn records (311)..... Our band has a really versatile sound. We don't even know how to describe it. We mix a lot of funk and rock together (kind of like fusing Limp Bizkit, Rage, and Miles Davis or something). But most of our stuff is in the Limp, Rage type rock. These days, we've been horsing around some reggae styles to get the 311 sound going. It's pretty confusing, but I hope I answered your question. Thanks for asking.


JOE BOXER
Monday, October 18, 1999 10:30:39 PM
IP: spider-th052.proxy.aol.com

ironwolf> I will happily pray for your friend. Keep the spirits up! *hugs*

Aaron> Personally, I think that The Secret of NIMH is the most beautifully animated movie of its time. If you watch any Don Bluth production, they all create that excellent mastery of animation! (Land Before Time, Anastasia, American Tail, Balto,) And they don't have those gay songs like Disney does!

Christine> Oooooooo, gotta read another *STEAMING* masterpiece of yours ;)
SOROW
Monday, October 18, 1999 10:01:42 PM
IP: dll2b102-01.splitrock.net

Firestorm> In "Pendragon", Arthur's Skiff sank, I never said that the traveler's skiff was the one I meant
Dead wookie> I'm sorry, this must be said *clears throat*...... OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED CHEWIE!! YOU NERFHERDERS!

Rugrats in Paris (who's abbrevaition is RIP *demonic chuckle) somehow I have this sick dea about Pickles toys becoming a nightstone subsidiary, there's the typical "lunch with the new boss" episode, in this case one Ms. Dominique Destine with the requisite rugrat mayhem, later she drops them off at their hotel and later that night, everyone's favorite plasma rifle-toting immortal blue nutcase sneaks into their hotel, kidnaps them, "joyrides" them (and we all know what THOSE entail) and then torches the hotel to A) get rid of any evidence and B) to deep-six any she might've missed
shogun raptor
Monday, October 18, 1999 09:52:38 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Hi everyone. I would have killed or maimed the Demon of Procrastination last week, but the creativity well was dry. Hopefully I'll think of something by the end of this week. :-P I am swamped with a backlog of homework, but I just had to say this:

Christine> Okay, so I'm not the only who keeps staring at Obi-Wan every time he's on-screen in TPM! ;-) I remember the first time I watched it, I was so busy looking at him that I sometimes missed what occurred in the scene completely. I can't help it! He just seems to exude some sort of charisma. Qui-Gon is attractive too, though. *glances around* Um, maybe I've said too much...
*slinks out of the CR*
Blue Caeru
Monday, October 18, 1999 09:50:57 PM
IP: spider-wg041.proxy.aol.com

Aaron: Yes, we've eaten at Katz's many times. It's one of our favorite restaurants here.

Can't say more now, damn homework is preventing me. I'll probably be back tomorrow. See you then.
Kitainia
Monday, October 18, 1999 09:11:28 PM
IP: pool-207-205-147-52.dlls.grid.net

Wow, did I ever miss alot. we were temp. disconnected this weekend. but here's some more of those clever signs I posted sometime ago....hope you all enjoy them::

>On a maternity room door, "Push, Push, Push."
>On a front door, "Everyone on the premises is a vegetarian except the dog."
>At an optometrist's office, "If you don't see what you're looking for, you've come to the right place."
>On a taxidermist's window, "We really know our stuff."
>On a butcher's window, "Let me meat your needs."
>On a fence, "Salesmen welcome. Dog food is expensive."
>At a car dealership, "The best way to get back on your feet - miss a car payment."
>Outside a muffler shop, No appointment necessary. We'll hear you coming."
>In a dry cleaner's emporium, "Drop your pants here."
>On a desk in a reception room, "We shoot every 3rd salesman, and the 2nd one just left."
>In a veterinarian's waiting room, "Be back in 5 minutes. Sit! Stay!"
>In a Beauty Shop, "Dye now!"
>In a restaurant window, "Don't stand there and be hungry, come in and get fed up."
>Inside a bowling alley, "Please be quiet. We need to hear a pin drop."

That's all for now catch ya'll tommorrow

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Monday, October 18, 1999 08:51:20 PM
IP: twin56ff.magiclink.com

TIME TRAVEL - I should add that I've never had any problems with how "Gargoyles" time travel worked - partly because I'd come up with the same concept for my own style of fictional time travel in my writing before "Gargoyles" ever came out. In it, as in "Gargoyles", time travellers can't change the past because their presence there was already part of it even before they left.

This is the focus of a fantasy time travel novel that I'm writing, but I can't deal with the details of the particular "failed effort at time travel" notion that's a major part of the story. However, I will give a parallel notion that I also had for a time traveller attempting to change history that isn't in the book, but which I had thought of as an example of how my style goes.

Somebody with access to time travel and a desire to prevent the assassination of Julius Caesar travels back to ancient Rome on the Ides of March, 44 B.C., to warn Julius Caesar that Brutus, Cassius, and the rest are plotting to do away with him. When Caesar is on his way to meet with the Senate at Pompey's Theatre that morning, the time traveller manages to get to the front of the crowd lining the streets and passes him a note warning him about it. Caesar takes the note and makes a few attempts to read it, but so many people are crowding about him and asking favors of him that he never gets the opportunity, and it's still unopened by the time that Brutus and the rest close in on him.

(The idea was partly inspired by the fact that, according to Plutarch, somebody indeed made the effort to warn Caesar about the assassination that failed in the manner that I mentioned. I came up with the idea that that somebody might have been a time traveller.

Incidentally, this isn't the only "disastrously unopened warning note" in history. During the American Revolution, when George Washington was crossing the Delaware, somebody sent a message to the Hessian commander on the other side that the colonists were going to attack him and his men. The Hessian leader, however, was busy playing cards at the time, and decided to save the note for later. He only opened and read it after George Washington and his men had already come and defeated the Hessians at the Battle of Trenton and left; I imagine that he must have felt pretty stupid after reading that note).

JENNA - I've read the Harry Potter books myself, and found them quite good.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, October 18, 1999 08:03:00 PM
IP: 216.87.46.28.dialup-stl.primary.net

(By the way -- that little ellipsis from Anonymous prior to my note was me. The terminal I was using burped and submitted a blank form. <G>)
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 18, 1999 07:24:44 PM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

Evening all.

Asrial's redemption> I am of mixed feeling on this. On the one hand, Asrial is my all time favorite TGS character, and so it is depressing to think that she fell in the sacking of Wyvvern. On the other hand, it would be extremely difficult to bring her forward in the TGS universe; that is, it would be difficult to do it without it appearing contrived.

And so, here is my opinion: no. I would not want to see Asrial brought forward to join the Manhattan clan *in TGS.* I stress this -- I don't think such an attempt should be made in the Gargoyles Saga universe. On the other hand, I wholeheartedly encourage writers to use Asrial in fanfics. I may do so myself -- I have been thinking of creating a new clan for my universe, based largely in the area of Denver, or its immediate environs. (This is assuming, of course, that TGS characters are fair game for fanfics. Are they, or does one need permission from someone?)

Oooo, I can hardly wait for Dark Ages!
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
UK (for now!)Monday, October 18, 1999 07:23:03 PM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

...
Anonymous
Monday, October 18, 1999 07:11:31 PM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

Ohhhhh. Has anybody seen a movie called Oscar? I don't care what the critics say, I loved it. Anyway, there's a line in there that pretty much describes my weekend: "What an emotional rollercoaster this day has been."

Friday, (I'm not making this up) I finished "Love and Affection" my first fic, at two minutes to midnight. Much rejoycing. I stagger off to bed.

Get up the next day, go see American Beauty. Good movie, even if I feel like I've seen Kevin Spacey do this role before. (Here's a hint, he took a fireplace poker to his christmas tree) Now I'm having really bizarre thoughts about Team Rocket, because of that rose James always has. Including a vision of Jesse that... um, never mind.

Come home from the movie. Find out my car won't start. A little dip before the main event. My brother loads up Might and Magic VII, does something to the computer, and now Windows won't boot up. I have to be restrained from dismembering him.

Sunday> My tech guy says problem is fixable, bring it in monday. Then the weather turns wet, and cold. (And hasn't changed as of this posting) I'm happy. It's trenchcoat season again, and not a nanosecond too soon. Then I take a look outside and see that the palm sized spider who lives on my back porch (who we've nicknamed Shelob) seems to have an egg sack. I'm *really* not sure how to feel about that. I like spiders, but...

Tech guy has now taken computer away, hope to have it back tomorrow. (Cross everything possible)

But enough of my ramblings.

Robby>In the script for The Secret of NIMH, there was a scene towards the end, where Justin and Ms. Brisby were supposed to share a kiss. Unfortunatly, it got cut before they started animating. Sigh...

Daleks with glittery paint on them> Now I'm having a really weird vision of glam rock Daleks, a la Velvet Goldmine, on stage croaking out "20th century Boy"

Doug, Kit> Have y'all ever eaten at a place in Austin called Katz's? There slogan: "Katz's never Kloses" They're quite good.

Warpmind> Actually, it's a combination thereof. The rogue is great to look at, and as she gets to the upper levels, you get into this sniper mode. As in "One shot, one kill" and "Don't run, you'll only die tired."

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, October 18, 1999 06:03:32 PM
IP: ppp-28.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Asrial> I came across something somewhere that claimed an angle named Azareel was the curer of stupidity. That seems a little more fitting for her than being named after the angel of death.

Hmmm... There was something else I had meant to say, but I don't know what it was. Oh well, maybe I'll remember later. Bye for now...

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, October 18, 1999 06:01:18 PM
IP: ppp-224-136.usc.edu

Ed- thanks brother.

Found this Princess Mononoke site. Probally over half of you have it all ready, but just in case here it is.
jenna
Monday, October 18, 1999 05:58:17 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Jenna: I read a couple of Harry Potter books this summer following all the hoo-haa. It's a nice series, and I can see the attraction. Further, it incorporates a range of real mythical characters amongst the twaddle which doesn't hurt and rather than seeming a flaw, the fact that it's so outrageous strengthens its appeal. And its surprising which doesn't hurt. OK, it's a bit pathetic when I packed Lord of the Rings, Gormenghast et al to read as well... but it's still pretty cool. Well, I should say 'they'.
Ed
Monday, October 18, 1999 04:09:41 PM
IP: p36-seedeater-gui.tch.virgin.net

Sevarius Jr: Hey, no problem...

...the reason why ya got a serious answer is, I used to find the idea kind of funny myself until I found out that a friend of mine was Wiccan and did some reading, learning that it is a very serious issue to some people--and one that ppl should be aware of. I mean, I've known this friend for four years and it was only lately she got up the courage to go public with her faith. Not directed primarily at you--it was info for the whole room--but face it, you asked the question
! :-)

Todd: Interesting...anyway, the spelling pretty much distiguishes "Asrial" from "Azrael", especially since the deliberate connections ie Ajax are spelled properly.
Stormy
Monday, October 18, 1999 04:04:05 PM
IP: pc18.huron.uwo.ca

For all you cats and gargies:

Here is a link I found showing scheduled release dates form movies. Some I rejoiced at (matrix 2 & 3-- yes, from what I heard it was designed from the initial get go as a trilogy.--with the way lucas is heading, he may have a new rival in town; toy story 2- cgi!! Titan A.E. (another cgi movie)The road to El Dorado; ) others leave me not knowing what to think-- like Blair Witch 2; and Termenator 3; others have me cringing in fear: Rugrats in Paris ---NO!!!

Take a lookie
jenna
Monday, October 18, 1999 04:02:57 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

New on my site --
Two naughty Jericho pics and one clean one, by Demona May
A Silver Flame birthday story for Jessie (mature eyes only please)
Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Star Wars > caught a blooper in Episode One on Saturday ... Obi-Wan's braid switches sides on Tatooine. Of course, I probably only noticed because I was staring raptly at him every time he was on-screen ... I think Tim may have an ulterior motive in his choice of Halloween costume this year ... mmmmrrrrrooww! ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, October 18, 1999 01:52:19 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

ironwolf- I will. That's terrible for your friend having that rubbed in, esp. at a time like that. That must make it esp. difficult. There's a time to talk and a time to be quiet and just comfort each other. I've always been of the belief that kindness is matters more than preaching at someone.

Hope things get better for both you and your friend...
jenna
Monday, October 18, 1999 01:45:53 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hey guys and gals. Sorry I haven’t posted much but I have had a bad week. I got a favor to ask all the religious types in the group. My friends grandfather died and he and his grandmother are taking it bad so if yall could say a little pray for them I would appreciate it. That is actually the worst part of my week yea my radiator is dead and my car in the shop, but I can’t really stand seeing my friend in pain. To make matters worse his family basically stuck a knife in his back and took turns twisting it. He is an atheist and well in every sermon or speech given by the different members of the family; they would rub it in. I am gonna try and catch up on the room and see if there are any response that I need to address. Thanks everyone
Btw. Someone mentioned “those who hunt the night” there is a sequel “traveling with the dead” and she is working on a 3rd book too.

ironwolf
Monday, October 18, 1999 01:17:50 PM
IP: host-216-78-82-114.cha.bellsouth.net

Enters the room wearing Mardi Gras beads

Greetings everyone. I only had five hours of sleep last night, but hey the reason was fun. Last Gasp Halloween Horror nights 9 Ruled!

Many of the rides were still open and My Dad never been to Jaws T2 and Twister.

Poor Helen Hunt her screen image wasn't in Sync with the sound. It was like watching dubbed foreign film. We went throught two of the mazes. Doomsday and the 3-d one. doomsday was really scary. I scremed about five times. The 3-d maze wear you had to wear special glasses featured Mike Myers(Not the shagadelic one)Jason,Freddy,Chucky, and the Scream guy.

People were nervous on Friday. there were reports that someone took a rifle to one of the highschools. It turned out it was an ROTC student with a wooden rifle.

I heard this on the radio this morning. The woman reporting the news couldent keep from laughing when she reptrted it. A teenager in Boise Idaho had to be rushed to the hospital after trying to reinact a "Certain" scene from "American pie" with a real piping hot pie. He suffered second degree burns on his "Special" part.


Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Monday, October 18, 1999 11:10:14 AM
IP: ts001d29.orl-fl.concentric.net

Double Post...

*** WOOKIEE SPOILERS ***

Chewbacca died fulfilling his life-debt to Han and his family. It was a sacrifice, and it *meant* something... or so I've heard.

BTW, the whole "New Jedi Order" series that this book begins wasn't the sole brainchild of Sir Salvatore. Other writers are involved, and the whole storyline was approved by George Lucas.

Personally, I think the whole NJO thing'll be great.

*** END WOOKIEE SPOILERS ***

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Monday, October 18, 1999 10:35:34 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Robby- sorry, bud. But it was Wendi who looked at the stuff, and her alone. So only she could have know about it. I know it's hard to accept, but that's the truth. I know, it's ugly.

Wookie- gotta agree with Celano on this-- Lucas seems to be more swayed by the almighty dollar, now. Perhaps this is just a rumor to boost sales. Remember superman..

Man, I gotta have my coffee- this type of bitterness this early in the morning just isnt me. Think of pleasent things girl-- hopefully, I'll have Shauntell and my stuff up by the end of this month--oh, rl :P

Has anyone here read the Harry Porter books? Because of the hubub I did my little bit for freedom of speech and picked up the first book. Haven't started into it yet, but it looks good so far.


jenna
Monday, October 18, 1999 10:34:08 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Boba Fett > I think what made him so popular was the mystery surrounding his presence in the movie. In "Empire Strikes Back" he is clever enough to find the Milennium Falcon. In "Return of the Jedi," he managed to bind the would-be Jedi. Of course, all of this was ruined via the way he was killed.

It is my understanding that George Lucas creates the backstory for all of the characters that have more than five seconds of screen time. Sometimes even less than that. There is a female bounty hunter in "Phantom Menace," for instance, named Aurra Sing. She's there in the podracing scene, but barely noticeable, (I didn't spot her). She's supposed to have a more important role in the future movies.

A lot of the appeal of these barely-cameo characters is, like I said, the mystery. You can look at what they *do* and think, "What's the big deal?" Or, you can look at who they *are* and think, "Hmm... I wonder what *his* story is."


Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Monday, October 18, 1999 10:26:05 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Wookie> They killed off Wookie in one of the books? It depends on how it was portrayed I suppose but I wouldn't disagree at all with such a development. Some change should happen - and while some changed can be for the "better" (Han and Leia having children etc) others must be for the worse - some people need to die in war if it's supposed to be an even vaguely believable universe...

They should have also killed Lando in Return of the Jedi. In an ideal universe, Lando would have rammed the Millenium falcon against the shield protecting the core rather than use a technobabble-style solution. ("They've got a shield up! Our <fictional weapon> can't penetrate it." "But I have a <fictional weapon> which can indeed penetrate it.") Sheesh...

Boba fett> Okay I've got to ask this. What's all the fuss about this character? Before I went on the Internet I didn't even know the guy's name or who he was. I still don't remember whether he spoke a single line! Why do people care about him? He was no more important to either movie than a random stormtrooper... Why not kill him off? He didn't have a character in the first place!

Matrix> Yeah, it was a very good movie. I went to see it in the cinema with both my brother and my father... I was the only who liked it for some reason - I think neither of them really appreciates *dark* science fiction...

Time Travel/Timedancing> I have come to the conclusion that this is rather too sophisticated a concept to be understood by the majority of the population... Or perhaps like Greg once suggested perhaps some people, even intelligent people, are simply hardwired in a different way and they don't get the concept...

Time travel (in the gargoyles way) doesn't limit the freedom or influence of the timetraveller or of anyone else. Brooklyn had a *tremendous* influence in the historical periods he visited. He saved all the New Olympians for starters. If he had not been there, history would been vastly different. He and *we* are part of history though and of the timeline. That people say "The timeline can't be changed" doesn't mean that it was never *formed*, that it was not Brooklyn's deeds and decisions that formed it in the first place. It simply means that Brooklyn can't change what he at one point (in the past or future) decided to do. None of us can do that, whether we are timetravellers or not... Brooklyn's timetravelling makes him in only *one* way different to others, in that he can have partial knowledge of the future. It gives him an advantage, but no disadvantage in limiting his freedom. (And no - that he has knowledge of the future, doesn't mean that he's forced to follow a path he wouldn't choose by himself: if he would not choose it then his knowledge would have been different: that his superior knowledge sometimes tells him what path will be chosen, doesn't mean that it was *not* chosen. That Xanatos knew Goliath won't decide to leave him in the 980s doesn't mean that Goliath didn't freely decide it...)

I hope that made sense, but I'm pretty sure it didn't... :-)
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Monday, October 18, 1999 07:46:23 AM
IP: 195.134.66.18

SJ - no offense taken, but just a word of advice...

Tell Us When You Are Joking. Okay? :)

Maintain and check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, October 18, 1999 03:11:36 AM
IP: m175.ieway.com

*wings in*

Stephen> Basically, if Star Wars was a perfect universe, it'd be a lot like "The Simpsons". ;)

Sevarios> Money...perhaps an even greater power than the force. ;)

*wings out*
Celano - [<--The Harpy's Nest]
Monday, October 18, 1999 03:05:57 AM
IP: dial-25.r15.nccncr.infoave.net

Gotta do this quick before I get thrown off the computer!

Stormy-YES! I'm so glad I'm not the only one to think about bringing Asrial forward.

Sevarius Jr.-I know what you mean. I thought that Vector Prime was going to be a really good book, but then it happened. I had to read that chapter three times before I had to admit that he died. HE WASN'T supposed to! He was supposed to live to be an old Wookie with dozens of grandchildren to tell stories to or something like that. Maybe we'll be extremely lucky and those extragalactic aliens somehow captured him and the hero will rescue him in a sequel or something.

EEP! gotta go.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 18, 1999 02:48:19 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Jenna- Hmm, are you sure Wendi herself is responsible? After all, she had very little to do with Hidden Years after issue 9 1/2... Granted, she and Richard probably had to approve plot arcs first... Hmm. It may be WaRP itself at fault and not Wendi. Whatever the case, I still respect her and Richard for making Elfquest in the first place, in a time when independants rarely made it. And besides, Elfquest from the first issue through Hidden Years 9 1/2 is still basically the best comic series ever made... (Considering I don't consider anything after canon anyway... I mean, Wild Hunt ripped off the original storyline! The story kept going but it didn't get anywhere...)

Jackie Chan- I like the guy's films, and he's usually a riot when he's on talk shows, because he talks about his injuries...
"I saw a movie with a guy jumping over a train and I thought wow, he's better than I am! And then later on I found out about blue screens and felt like an idiot for doing it the hard way all this time..." I mean, the guy did a running sequence with a broken leg once by standing in place and having the camera just shoot his upper torso while he faked jogging. THe guy may be nuts, but he's the cool kind of nuts... Scary thought... Jackie Chan meets Steve Irwin, Crocadile Hunter...

Jewel- Unfortunatley, Princess Mononoke is being released pretty much no where. Opening day its only going to be in 4 theaters nationwide, and only about 15 a week later. Apparently Disney, no excuse me "Mirimax" thinks that not advertising a movie and releasing it no where when it won every major award Japan has is a good idea...

Sj- ABout people taking you seriously... I think its because you don't put those little smiley faces after your joke paragraphs, and that without that little ;) symbol thingie, people don't know if you're being serious or not. I dunno, I can usually tell what you mean. Or maybe its just a fun CR pass time to take you literally everytime. I dunno.

Chewbacca is dead? COnsidering I just spent the last two days watching all three films that's rather... Disheartening. Why? How?

Pokemon- I'm really looking forward to next weekend's episode, as thats when the Pokemon league tournament starts!

Pistoff- But the thing about Timedancer is... History doesn't always record what Brooklyn might have done. He *CAN* make a difference. You never know what he was responsible for... After all, Goliath influenced the timeline when he grabbed Griff and brought him to the present. You'd be surprised about some of the stuff Brooklyn has done by sheer accident or intentionally... (At any rate, read Trust No Future from season two, as its a Vinnie story of sorts... Emphasis on *sorts*)

Nightwalker- Um, the CR never clears on Saturday... Sometimes when I think I'll be busy I clear it a few hours before Monday, but never Saturday. Sunday at 7 is the earliest that I wipe the room...

**RP**

Jim's clone, (Or is that just plain ol' Jim?) kicked up his super speed and easily passed up his sister Kari and caught up with SJ.
Running backwards with his hands behind his head, Jim's clone is keeping pace with SJ. "Hey, maybe I should take point? I can run pretty durn fast ya know. I ran cross country and into space to reach the Dark Star 2 in under an hour..."
SJ doesn't respond but runs all the harder, determined to save his dad. Jim shrugs, turns around, and begins to run straight, easily passing up SJ and fading out of sight.
Sevarius Junior continues to dash his heart out in a mad sprint of salvation, when he hears a loud yell of "OUCH!"
"What happened?" he calls ahead.
"I just got the crud beaten out of me!"
"By what?"
"Doesn't matter! I'll hold it off! But take the right turn, NOT the left!"
"What turn..." he starts, when he soon realizes what is being referred to, as the hallway splits down two paths. The scientist's son has no time to stop and help Jim, as he takes the right turn and keeps going. Kari soon follows, and Black Tiger is running and thumbing through the script. "Yeah, I got a lot of lines in this episode didn't I?" And with that, he takes the LEFT turn, leaving SJ and Kari on their own...
Robby
Monday, October 18, 1999 01:54:16 AM
IP: spider-we024.proxy.aol.com

Coyote: Yeah, sounds good. (Carpool)
Golfer: Huh?

Jenna: TGS Fan Fic: Thats the cool thing about TGS. Most of the time that allow fans to write stories based on thier stuff. Even though they said I can use thier characters, I always make it a point of asking, just to be polite.

Warpmind: Why did you have to remove the HTML tags?
Epicenter: Trinity was in New Mexico, not California.

shogun raptor: When did the skiff actually get destroyed? (If you don't include "Future Tense")

Jewel: Trust me, The Matrix ROCKED in the theater! I saw that on May 20. Thats right. I saw The MAtrix instead of Episode One.

Pistoff: <"The Matrix" has already become the best-selling DVD of all time. >
Sweet! I LOVE that DVD. To tell the truth, a VHS casette cannot do that DVD justice! That is how a DVD SHOULD be made. Multiple audio tracks, interviews, behind the scenes (TWO behind the scenes videos!), COMPLETE storyboards AND script... DAMN!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, October 18, 1999 01:25:53 AM
IP: 216.90.45.176

Well, the way the last few weeks have been, I should've known I wouldn't be able to post in here two days in a row...anyway, time to play catch-up once again....

SJ: I like Jackie Chan and Chow Yun-Fat movies, too. I love John Woo's style. Woo's "Hard Target" is one of the very few Van Damme movies I can watch without running to the nearest toilet. ;) My point was that Americans in general prefer to watch mindless violence instead of something that might make them think. That's why "Blade Runner" was a box-office failure, even though it now has a large number of fans and a lot of praise from critics. It's the same reason an intelligent movie like "Strange Days" flopped while the brainless "Independence Day" earned $100 million in only six days. Personally, I don't mind violence, as long as it's there for a reason (same as my complaints about sex in movies/books/fics). If it arises from the character development and plot, that's fine. But if it's thrown in for pure titillation and cheap thrills, then to hell with it. In "Strange Days," the violence was a direct result of the conflicts and the actions the characters took. In "Independence Day," the violence *was* the entire point of the movie. And unfortunately, that's what the public seems to want to see, rather than something that had some thought put into it...which, incidentally, is probably why Gargoyles was dumbed down and then cancelled. :/

Still, there may be hope, because "The Matrix" has already become the best-selling DVD of all time. =D Yes, the makers of that film borrowed a lot from Asian action movies, but there was also an intelligent, philosophical plot...which the action no doubt makes easier for the public to swallow...but at least it's a start. :)

Doug: Sorry you've been so down lately. I know some feedback on your stories would help, but I've just been too busy to read *any*thing. Part of it is because I'm working on my own stuff, and I'm an obssessive writer--if I don't spend a considerable amount of time writing stories, I turn into an even worse @$$hole than I already am...and before you ask, yes, that really *is* possible. *g* Besides fanfics, I'm also getting more and more desperate to start publishing "original" stories, because tomorrow will mark my fifth year as a delivery driver, and my boss is beginning to refer to me as a "lifer." I don't mind tellin' ya, that scared the piss out of me. I had a sudden vision of myself, 90 years old, delivering pizzas in a Blade Runner flying car...and earning minimum wage. So I'm desperate to get something published and start making a living at it, because I'm sure as hell not good at anything else. And aside from that, life in general has been kicking me in the ass for the past several weeks. To show how little free time I have, remember that I used to post in here every night. Lately, I've been averaging something like once every three or four nights. So I haven't been able to read any fanfic lately--to see how far behind I am: I still haven't read TGS's "Seeds of Change"...but then, I got pissed at TGS when the Unseelie War dragged on so long, and especially when Sora was killed, so I'm in no real hurry to catch up...I will eventually, but it's not a priority right now...I know I'm thinking like a reader when I should be thinking like a writer, but Sora is one of my favorite "background" characters, even though she wasn't really developed at all...ack! I'm rambling. I just worked 10 hours today, and my brain is so fried that I can't shut up... *g* Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to keep goiong on and on like this. I promise, I'll send some feedback as soon as I have time. :) I do like your stories and think you're a talented writer. Don't let anything discourage you, and don't give up. I know it's hard...I've spent the past ten years being rejected by magazine editors, publishers and agents, seeing rejection letters calling my work "trite"...and a couple have told me that every other submission they got was better than the one I sent in...and I've been told that I'll never amount to anything as a writer. I haven't let that stop me (I plan to keep writing till they hammer the nails into my coffin, even if it's only out of spite...and when I finally do get published, I will call every bastard who rejected me and tell him that he's a stupid son of a bitch :)...and you shouldn't give up, either. :)

Warpmind: NyQuil is a *prescription* drug in Norway???? And caffeine?!?! Oh, dear gawd! No caffeine! I'd never survive more than a few hours in Norway. *convulsions* Ack! Must...have...coffee! ;)

Kaioto: Sorry you've been sick. I hope you're feeling better now. :)

Jannie: Waking up during a hysterectomy--aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!! *hugs* Oh, jaysus! And to hear the docs talking about GOLF, of all things! And when you're being operated on, "Oh shit!" is NOT something you want to hear. ;) (Another is, "Don't pull on that. You don't know what it might be attached to.") And after all that, to have the doc blame the heart attack on you...*shakes head* this just makes me want to find that guy and kick him right in the friggin' nuts. :) As for dentists, my mom had a tooth pulled one time--or, rather, the dentist *tried* to pull it. First one root snapped off, then the other root snapped a few seconds later. He had to take the drill and tunnel the roots out. And he said it wouldn't hurt. It did. She felt the pain, she felt her jaw heat up, and she swore that she would start to see smoke pouring out of her mouth at any moment. Yet another reason I never go to the dentist, aside from being unable to afford it. Screw it. If my teeth fall out, I'll get fake ones. Maybe I'd get a custom-made set, with inch-long fangs... MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Anyway, back to doctors. When I supposedly had my cyst removed, I had to go back to have the stitches removed (in a very uncomfortable spot--near my tailbone). Of course, this guy was none too gentle about it, and basically RIPPED the stitches out...or at least, that's what it felt like. Then he had the nerve to bellow at me, at the top of his lungs, "HOLD STILL, DAMN IT!" I immediately told HIM to try holding still when some klutz is yanking stitches out of the crack of HIS ass. *rolls eyes* He's lucky he slammed into that tree and killed himself. It was a far quicker death than I would've given him. *cracks knuckles*

David G: (re: advice) Hey, I'm glad I could help. :) Glad to hear you're gonna work with your own continuity. That really opens up the possibilities. Heh, it's a good thing I never tried to keep G2K true to TGS--one of the problems with using TGS continuity is that you can set up a plot point that suddenly gets nullified by a twist in the TGS story arc. For instance, I had mentioned in "Remember Tomorrow" that Vinnie and Sora had gotten together at some point and had a child--then, when Sora was killed in TGS, that would've really thrown a monkey wrench into G2K (in addition to pissing me off on a personal level, *g*). And once I realized I didn't have to keep it rated Y7, I knew I didn't have to pull any punches--and I don't. ;)

Jannie again: (re: mammogram) My sister had one recently, and boy, she had plenty to say about it. Basically, she'd rather not go through that again. Hey, it's fair enough if doctors have their...well, remember my DC torture that Wilek loved so much? *g* Well, 'nuff said. ;) As for a hysterectomy being comparable to being castrated/neutered/whatever...well, Denis might have a different opinion...*g*...at least, it certainly doesn't seem to apply in your case. *wiggles eyebrows*

Dags: Good to see you in here again. :D Injustice Part 2 has had some delays due to Denis's ear infection, but it seems to be back under control. He's writing the outline, so I'm just waiting for the next piece. He hasn't sent any in the last couple of days, but he's had a LOT on his mind lately. But we'll get back into the swing of things, and hopefully have Injustice II finished soon. :) And in the meantime, I'm also working on the first episode of Vinnie's Story. *g* I hope to have it finished within a week or so....

Zath: <Actually, since there's a dental college on campus, I could get my teeth cleaned and stuff for free, but that would mean going back to being practice dummy, which I'm just not desperate enough to do yet, so I'm getting my next cleaning when I'm home (TX) for Christmas. At least this guy seems competent so far.> You're right, being somebody's guinea pig wouldn't be worth it. Good luck with the other dentist, I hope the time you spend in his chair will be completely uneventful. :) <Every once in a while (though nowhere near often enough) that isn't completely true. Didn't Trainspotting do pretty well? (or did it get a lot of attention, but not enough money?)> As far as I remember (and I didn't pay much attention at the time, so I could be wrong) Transpotting got a lot of critical acclaim, but didn't make much money. At least, it never played in any of the theaters anywhere near where I live, and it ended up on video a lot faster than "successful" movies.

Robby: ULTIMATE Vinnie fan. Cool! I'll try to have the first of my Vinnie fics done ASAP, then. :) I hadn't realized you were a Vinnie fan because I haven't read any of Timedancer (well, I've read "Requiem," and I thought it was well-written yet depressing). I'm sure Timedancer is always well-written, since such talented writers are working on it, but I never really cared much for the concept of the series. I mean, because time-travelling with the Phoenix Gate means the traveller is unable to make any changes, then what's the point? Basically, Brooklyn is a tourist. He shows up, interacts with some of the characters, then vanishes. There's not much else he can do, if he's not able to make any changes in the timeline. In other words, events would unfold the same way whether Brooklyn is there or not. To me, for a story to hold my interest, there has to be the potential for change, whether in a character or a turning point in history. Because time travel in the Gargoyles universe prevents the traveller from being able to change anything, what's the point? We came, we saw, we left...doesn't make for an interesting story, IMO. That's not the fault of the writers. It's the way the time travel stuff was set up by Greg Weisman. If there's no danger of some outside influence changing the timeline, and no possibility for the main characters to change anything, and events will happen whether these characters are there or not, then why bother travelling through time at all?

Oops, didn't mean to get into a rant, there. It's just one of my own personality quirks. As I said earlier, my brain's fried tonight. When I'm like this, it's hard to keep my attention focused, and it's hard for me to shut up. ;) Anyway... *tries to remember original point...it takes a while...* Oh yeah, I hope to have the first Vinnie's Story done in a week or so...and hope you'll like it. I just hope I have his characterization right...this isn't the kind of character I'm used to writing. It's a challenge, which is what makes it so fun. I'm having a blast with this one. *g* And now I'm under a lot of pressure to somehow manage to write a good story and not disappoint one of the room administrators....*trembling* ;)

Wilek: (re: "damaged my gravel") <Eh...? <shakes head> Such people as these will die a slow, slow death...> Gawd, I hope so! 8) <Oh, and I encountered a copy of the Necronomicon at Waldenbooks. Heh. Almost bought it, then remembered what happened the *last* time demonic entities invaded my home (still haven't gotten the stains off the ceiling)...> Heheheh...actually, I might be able to help. We've got some industrial cleaning supplies at Pizza Hut that can strip the varnish off a foot locker. ;) The purple stuff is especially effective. It would remove that stain in no time...of course, it might also dissolve your celing... O_o ;)

More medical horror stories: There was a guy on the news a few years ago, who needed to have one of his legs amputated, and...you can probably see where this is going...yes, the surgeons amputated the *wrong* leg--and still needed to cut off the one that should've been cut off in the first place. And there was another a few years ago, a guy who went in to be circumscized (why, I'll never understand...that's a part of the body that should NEVER have ANYTHING cut off of it...)...and...*crosses legs*...the doctor chopped the whole thing off. Bobbittized him. *shudders* O_O

Warpmind again: More Alien Love Dolls, eh? Actually, $25 is a very good price. I've delivered pizzas to our local porno shop (that's how small Coos Bay is--we have ONE porno shop ;), and the only thing about that place that really shocked me was the price tage. The cheapest love doll (a "normal" one, not an alien one) was $75! The idea that somebody might pay that much for one of those...ack! And I've seen other dolls that cost more than $200. *shakes head*

Still...if they had one that looked like the Beakgirl picture Zath drew a while back... *lascivious grin*

Zath: Yikes! Earthquake?? Thank god you weren't hurt. Earthquakes are one of the only reasons I probably won't live in San Francisco, as much as I'd like to...another reason being the cost of everything there. ;) Had an earthquake here, quite a few years ago...I was in the theater, watching "Terminator 2," when suddenly the seat started lurching back and forth--and I mean *violently* lurching. I thought somebody behind me was shaking my seat just for a cheap laugh, then I heard somebody up front screaming about an earthquake. The theater here was built on...less than solid ground...and for a few seconds I was wondering if the whole thing was gonna sink into the bay... O_O Anyway, I'm glad yours was so mild. *whew!* :)

night walker: Some of those celebrities were already on our list. Thanks for giving us more ideas. *evil grin* Actually, the Assassin web page has done some nifty celebrity deaths. The one for Brittney Spears was particularly amusing. :) There's one for Pikachu, as well, and the Olsen Twins, and Kid Rock...anyway, click my name to go to the main Assassin page, where you'll find a whole list of annoying celebrities to whack. :D

Wilek again: <Because if it wasn't, then this R. A. Salvatore will be Joyridden, and it will be *legendary*. >:)> Ohhhh, I can't wait to see that one!!! 8D

Stephen: Relax, dude. SJ was just kidding around. Besides, if he wants to be pissed about a favorite character being killed, I can certainly understand that. I felt the same way about Sora in TGS. ;) No need to dunk SJ in ice water, for chrissake. O_o
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Monday, October 18, 1999 01:04:17 AM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com

What is it, my lot in life to be terminally misunderstood?

Stephen, take no offense, but did you read my response to Stormy? That Chewbacca bit was a JOKE. It was me being a smartass. I wasn't being serious in the least bit (although I do like Chewie, and I am sad to see him go, even if he is a fictional literary character). Short of Luke having gay sex with Han Solo, I could care less what Lucas does with his characters. If I don't like it, I have the ultimate control over Lucas, called The Money In My Wallet. If Lucas wants his hands on it, he'd better give me a good reason to give it to him. If enough people won't give him their Money, he loses his audience.

But that's beside the point. I was joking. When will you people realize I'm just a screwball that likes to poke fun?
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, October 18, 1999 12:42:13 AM
IP: 207-172-53-128.s128.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

**RP!**

[The Administrator and the sphinx beast glare at each other for a moment, sizing each other up...and then, the Sphinx swipes at her with its enormous claw. The Queen spreads the wings of her gargate mechanical body and somersaults gracefully out of the way before slashing the beast with her own claws. It roars with pain, then re-forms its tail into a whiplike appendage with a stinger on the end, striking at his smaller foe in the hope of injecting her with Phalanx assimilation nanites. She leaps out of range and slashes off the end of the tail in a shower of sparks and greyish oil.]

**PAUSE RP!**

My Internet connection has been having the *weirdest* problems lately. It hasn't been running at anywhere near full speed, and half the time images won't load or I get false-alarm 'connection with the server could not be established' errors. What in the worlds could be going on at my ISP...? <glares at DC> Clever, that.

Night Walker> <<MY MOM SAYS SHE'LL TAKE ME TO SEE PRINCESS MONONOKE . I'M STILL IN SHOCK. >> Congratulations! :D <<at this really small videogame stoe I bought FF7 for $15 bucks. It was pre-used , but there are no scratches on the disks at all. I feel so lucky.>> That brings back memories--when I bought a copy of FF7, it was pre-used. It was scratched up pretty badly, but it played well. At first--then, it locked up just after we blew the first Mako reactor. I took the thing back and bought a new copy. Which plays as it should, except my saved games keep commiting suicide. :/

Zath> <<**Zath beats head on wall repeatedly...** Bad brain, bad brain, still a day off! *sigh* I realized this just half an hour ago, which in a way is a good thing because I had gone to bed early (early for me anyway) only to wake up in a blind panic because I remembered I hadn't done any of my homework. Then reality smacked me upside the head and I felt really stupid... : P>> Heh...sometimes my own time sense messes up; occasionally I have to check my computer or DSS to see what day it is. :)

Warpmind> <<wasn't the epicenter around the site where they tested that first nuke?>> O_O If it was...hm...depending on how stable that area was before, that could be a Very Bad Thing...<<I saw a list of Jackie Chan's injuries recently... MAN has he ever been injured. Apparently, he is now unable to insure his movies, since the insurance companies know it's a no-win situation...>> I've heard a little about that. Heh, I'll bet his life insurance premiums are through the roof. :P

Jenna> Elfquest scandal> Oh ye gads...I've never heard of Pini or Elfquest, but this...<shudder> This is beyond awful.

SOROW> <<If JackaL doesn't write soon, I'm going to panic. Where are you dammit?!>> Hey...where *has* he been...?

Coyote> Speaking of Deer Avenger II...Are there any cheats for it? Codes, and the like? I'm thinking of getting it.

Shogun Raptor> <<* a tidal wave washes into the room, carrying debris and a thoroughly soaked shogun raptor* *sputter* okay people, for Floyd we get warnings up the wazoo, and for Irene, nothing until it's too late (joyride for the head of the national hurricane center!)>> Ack! I'm glad you got through it alright! <<REBOOT SEASON 3/ GARG WORLD TOUR SIMILARITIES>> Hm...never noticed all that...

Stormy> <<Y'know how there were certain "hints" that Asrial--or at least her binoculars--had contact with (frigg, I forget who! The sorcerers, I think...the Egyptians...)>> I think that was Harthoth and Isfet (I think that was her name, the half-dragon). <<Would you be happy if Asrial was brought forward in time, or should she be among one of the fallen at the Wyvern massacre?>> Um...can't say, since I don't know anything about her. :}

Jewel> <<Hey, all! One week until I move and come close to becoming a regular poster again!>> Glad to hear it; Bryn Mawr's special brand of psychosis has been noticably lacking these days. ;)

SJ> <<Chewbacca is dead. Did you guys hear about this? You know how they have dozens of those Star Wars novels out now? Well, in the latest one, titled "Vector Prime" (and written by R.A. Salvatore), they KILLED Chewbacca. KILLED him. As in dead, finito, bought the farm.>> What...?!! <GRR> And I was thinking of buying that novel when I saw it at Waldenbooks. <sigh> First I want to know how he died. Then, I want to know if it was at least an appropriately noble, interesting, or spectacular death, worthy of this great warrior (Wow, I sound Klingon tonight). Because if it wasn't, then this R. A. Salvatore will be Joyridden, and it will be *legendary*. >:) $Perhaps it is an appropriate time to mention that the Avatar Of Ganon's chief medical officer is a Wookie. She's not gonna like this. <<Yeah, I got your email. Good stuff in there. As for your Borg info and ideas....WOW!! Excellent, really cool stuff!! I think you should definitely go with it (I tried to incorporate some of the "family strife" into my RP tonight).>> Why thank you. ^_^ (And you did an excellent job of including it as well. :D )$ <<BTW, "Borg: The Reassimilation" doesn't sound like such a bad idea after all ;)>> Indeed? Then I shall have to get to work...<muhahaha>

Speaking of fun Borg stuff, click my name for an interesting Star Trek fanfic. You've never seen the Borg like this before. ;) $Somehow it reminds me of the RP...$

**RESUME RP!**

[The sphinx, now in great pain, lashes out randomly at the Administrator, who takes minimal damage from the warmech's flailings. Once she's close enough, she leaps onto the creature's back and extends her assimilation tubules from her wrists, plunging them into the neck of the cybernetic beast, injecting it with nanites. Instead of assimilating it, the Administrator causes the microscopic machines to trigger its pain receptors. She vaults off the sphinx's back just in time to watch her sabotage take effect, as the beast roars in agony until it has no voice left to roar, and collapses into a shuddering heap on the stone floor, tormented eyes beseeching someone, anyone, to put an end to its misery. The Administrator simply turns up her nose and begins striding in the direction of the command center, expecting the rest of the team to keep up. The others look briefly upon it, feeling sorry for a Phalanx for the first time ever.]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Monday, October 18, 1999 12:37:37 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

<<<Chewbacca is dead. Did you guys hear about this? [snip] In the latest one, titled "Vector Prime" (and written by R.A. Salvatore), they KILLED Chewbacca. KILLED him. [snip] I can't believe they did this....this is worse than when Fett died. [snip] They can't do this...they can't kill the Wookie, damn it! What kind of world is it where good, honest, lovable Wookies like Chewbacca die and wretched abominations like Jar Jar Binks live? [snip] I hate you George Lucas. You shall burn in hell for allowing this to happen!>>>

[Without mercy, Stephen takes a old-time water barrel full of ice water and dunks SJ into it, holding him down for a moment before allowing him up for air]

Cool down, bubba! Let's not get bent out of shape over what someone does to a character in a book. I mean, I love the big fuzzball too. But let's face some cold hard facts here:

1.) R.A. Salvatore did that, not Lucas. If you have to condemn someone, keep the focus on the actual writer, not the creator of the original character.

2.) Perhaps this was something Lucas intended all along. After all, no one character lives forever, especially if they were mortal to begin with. True, writer's have many a way to get around this, but let's face it; Chewbacca was never meant to live forever, or else Lucas would have made all wookies immortal.

In a way, I'm shocked and saddened to hear they killed Chewy. He was just as much an icon of Star Wars as Luke, Han, Leia, and everyone else. But, seeing that he died proves that Lucas is (by consious decision or unconcious consent) allowing his universe to grow and change. After all, if it were a so-called "perfect universe", Han's children would stay young forever, There woulld always be a Dark Jedi to fight, and the Empire would never die or surrender (which they sort of did in the latest Timothy Zahn books).

Now, granted Lucas has done things that isn't going to please everyone in the whole dang universe of fans (Jar Jar seems to be the strongest example here), but let's not forget: it's HIS universe! Period. The man can do what he wants with it, and he doesn't really have to answer to anyone for it. If he decided the next day to have someone write a novel where Luke, Han, and Leia die, and Jancen and Jania and Anakin the 2nd have to go forth and become Jedi without them, that's HIS CHOICE. And be danged with our opinions over the matter.

What I am trying to say, SJ, is that you can rant and damn Lucas until the end of time. I don't think it's going to matter one whit to him. And that's his right as a writer and a creator.

So, please, don't take this the wrong way, bubba... just cool down and let it pass, okay? You'll be better off in the long run if you do.

[lets SJ out, hands him some warm towels, pats him on the back and goes along his way...]

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, October 18, 1999 12:29:01 AM
IP: m175.ieway.com

***BEGIN RP***
SJ turned to see the Administrator begin to approach the Sphinx. Immediately, the Phalanx beast lost all interest in the other heroes. It's cold, inhuman gaze fell upon the Administrator alone. It snarled, and growled with renewed vigor.
"Boy, he *really* doesn't seem to like her..." Black Tiger said.
"It recognizes me," the Administrator said.
"What?" Kari asked. "What do you mean?"
"It is Phalanx," the Administrator began to explain. "It knows a Borg Queen when it sees one. We have a score to settle."
"What--" Kari began..
"I don't know, and I don't have time to listen," SJ began. "With her distracting that thing, I'm heading for my pop. NOW." And with that, he took off down the corridor headed straight for the control room, his rifle at the ready.
"JUNIOR!" Kari screamed after him in frustration. "Wait! Wait, you can't fight Prime alone! You...ooooh! Darn him! He never listens!" In anger, she ran after him, followed by Black Tiger and Jim.
Meanwhile, the others were tensely standing by as the Administrator faced the Sphinx. "What's gonna happen?" Terri whispered. "I have no idea," Jake replied. "But I'm willing to be it won't be very pleasant for the Sphinx."
****END RP***

Chewbacca is dead. Did you guys hear about this? You know how they have dozens of those Star Wars novels out now? Well, in the latest one, titled "Vector Prime" (and written by R.A. Salvatore), they KILLED Chewbacca. KILLED him. As in dead, finito, bought the farm. I can't believe they did this....this is worse than when Fett died. I mean, at least they had the decency to bring him back...I suddenly am faced with my own mortality. They can't do this...they can't kill the Wookie, damn it! What kind of world is it where good, honest, lovable Wookies like Chewbacca die and wretched abominations like Jar Jar Binks live? A sick, sad one indeed. I hate you George Lucas. You shall burn in hell fo r allowing this to happen.

Fight Club: Yep, I really did like it. I expect most everyone in this room to hate it....just cause it has that kind of vibe to it. This is a film that you either love or hate. Like I said, it steps on a LOT of toes, and some people may find the lampooning and social commentary cutting a little too close. Not to mention the violence and depravity. I thought it was brilliant though; a very well done film.

Joe Boxer: Can't you sell your CDs through mail order? I know you only had a limited number done, but selling it through the mail is always an option. Or have you already answered this question? Oh well, lots of luck to you. I hope you make it big :) BTW, how would you classify your music (what genre?)--rock, hard rock, alternative, etc.

Wilek: Yeah, I got your email. Good stuff in there. As for your Borg info and ideas....WOW!! Excellent, really cool stuff!! I think you should definitely go with it (I tried to incorporate some of the "family strife" into my RP tonight). BTW, "Borg: The Reassimilation" doesn't sound like such a bad idea after all ;)

Ripping off the fans: I think it's a definite threat to even the most honest creator. That's why I applaud Greg's wise move (hey, that was almost a witty little play on words--Weisman, "wise move"! I'm goofy tonight...) to never read any fan fiction; as much as we may like our hero to enjoy our own tributes to their genius, it's a danger for them to do so. You never know when you subconsciously may be "ripping someone off". It's sad to see that a creator actually did it outright. I have never been much of an Elfquest fan, but that down right disgusts me.
Someone brought up the question of a lawsuit. Can one technically be brought up? I mean, the young man essentially wrote what we would consider as fan fiction (which, unfortunately, many industry folks look down upon). He can't claim any financial gains from it without himself being brought up on charges of copyright infringement, right? So can, legally, Pini rip off his ideas and use them as her own? I don't see how he can sue her for using characters or ideas he created because they were created in a setting that he has no legal or financial claims to. I don't know; copyright law was never my strong suit.

Stormy: Please don't take offense, but my Wiccan Samhain holiday comment was a JOKE! I meant it to be a parody because I know that a)there aren't that many "out-of-the-broom-closet" Wiccans out there, and b) the ones who are wouldn't necessarily take off their "pagan" holidays. I merely meant it as a parody involving a situation that would not normally occurr in real life. Remember, I only half-serious in whatever I say; take me with a whole bag of salt. ;)

Jackie Chan: This man should be dead. I mean, what he puts himself through....I remember seeing on one of his blooper reels one of his most horrible accidents. He jumped off a cliff, attempted to grab a tree branch, but fell to the rocks below. Blood was pouring out of the poor guys head. Insurance companies avoid him like the Ebola virus on crack.
I admire him, though. Most of our action stars are big wimps. Anytime the action starts, they take a coffee break while some guy who only looks a fraction like them steps in to get hit by the bad guy. Jackie works on broken bones! God bless the insane. ;)

Jewel: *Hugs* Welcome back! I'm glad you'll be a regular poster again :) Yeah, "Matrix" was pretty cool, huh? Now that's how a sci-fi/action flick should be made. Keanu and Laurence kicking robot hiney in black leather, with John Woo gunfights thrown in. :)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, October 17, 1999 11:11:52 PM
IP: 207-172-53-128.s128.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Hey, all! One week until I move and come close to becoming a regular poster again!

I'm at work right now. Yup. Working at 10:40 on a Sunday night. Bleh. I've been here since 3. Bleh. I was visiting friends at Bryn Mawr this weekend, left this morning, and drove 3 hours straight to work. I think I can safely say that today has sucked.

<g> I just was skimming over last week's comment room. My, my...I think it's good I missed last week, given the various topics (menstruation and Dracula. Umm...)

Mononoke: Just where is this thing being released?

The Matrix: I just say this movie last night. Whoooooooa. I think I need to see it again, and not just for Keanu and Laurence Fishburne looking *mighty* hot. The visuals were stunning, and the whole movie just plain *cool*. I wish I'd seen it in the theatres.

Dracula: I read "Danse Macabre" by Stephen King, and he discussed "Dracula" and the idea of the vampire being a sigularly sexual being, and how Bram Stoker's imagery of the three women with Johnathan (is that his names--I don't remember) were imagery of oral sex.
(And yes, I have been at Bryn Mawr where the little sickos have been attempting again to corrupt me In a day or so, I'll be back to my standard wide-eyed innocent self and all will be good. They all spent the entire week-end shocking my sensabilities and now I'm desensatized...)

Doug-you're having writer's block?

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Sunday, October 17, 1999 10:47:49 PM
IP: 199.196.144.12

STORMY - About your Asrial/Azrael query - I don't think that we had the "Death Angel" in mind when we gave her that name. The person who came up with it (his nickname was "Foggy" but I can't remember his real name now; he was the brains behind a lot of "Dark Ages") was, IIRC, simply looking for something poetic-sounding.

(However, Agamemnon, Thersites, and Ajax were deliberately named by Foggy - who created them and named them as well - after the characters by those names in the Trojan War).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, October 17, 1999 09:51:40 PM
IP: 216.87.46.94.dialup-stl.primary.net

Sevarius Jr: Re: Gettting Samhain off as a religious holiday

A lot of Wiccans/Witches don't ask for Samhain off simply because they're not "out of the broom closet" shall we say. These people quietly go about practicing their religion in private and most people never know or even suspect them to be Witches. This isn't really a problem for Witches as Wicca/Witchcraft are not proseletyzing religions (meaning: they don't try to convert you--they believe that if you're ready to be a Witch, or interested in finding out about it, YOU'll come to THEM.)

Unfortunately Witches also suffer from a lot of discrimination (many have been "coincidentally" fired if their bosses learn of their religion) and so even those who admit to being Witches often don't want to call attention to the fact at work. There are a lot of Wiccan/Pagan anti-discrimination leagues who are trying to change this.

However, "open" witches encourage others to take Samhain and some of the other holidays off work as religious holidays, and many bosses ARE accomodating. And no wonder...if you give a Wiccan Yule off (Dec 21 or 22), they're usually happy to work on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.

DARK AGES: Can't wait can't wait...

I wonder...when they named Asrial here, did they have "Azrael" (Angel of Death in Jewish/Christian/Islamic lore) in mind? Because Asrial doesn't seem much like an Angel of Death at all...

Here's a Question of the Week, to get things going before TGS starts up again. Y'know how there were certain "hints" that Asrial--or at least her binoculars--had contact with (frigg, I forget who! The sorcerers, I think...the Egyptians...) Would you be happy if Asrial was brought forward in time, or should she be among one of the fallen at the Wyvern massacre?

JOE BOXER: Top Ten is a fun little list to be one of the first ten people to post after the room has been wiped clean for the start of the new week.
Stormy
Sunday, October 17, 1999 09:45:25 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

What's top ten?
JOE BOXER
Sunday, October 17, 1999 09:07:05 PM
IP: spider-tr071.proxy.aol.com

* a tidal wave washes into the room, carrying debris and a thoroughly soaked shogun raptor* *sputter* okay people, for Floyd we get warnings up the wazoo, and for Irene, nothing until it's too late (joyride for the head of the national hurricane center!) on the plus side I only spent about 8 hours sans electricity, never lost phone service and the only Tv-realated casualty was when I thought WAMI (the local fox affiliate) was out of commision, fortunately, it was on the air again in time for Beast machines and I must say, Nightscream RULES, but I digress, I had waterfront property for a day and a half, but with a six-foot high driveway, damage was nonexistant, however for those who were not so fortunate, my heart goes out to you
on a totally unrealated topic, I saw that disney villains commercial (what, no Thailog?) during an airing of "legion" at any rate, Robotnik (the AoStH, not the SatAM series) was on and I realized he and Capt.Gavin "the crimson Binome" Capacitor share something beyond voices: Facial hair style (handlebar moustache) and clothing (both wear red, and in one ep, Robotnik donned pirate garb) so this gave me the idea for season 4 of Reboot if they ever did it: Scratch and Grounder Binome cameos

on a slightly less different topic
REBOOT SEASON 3/ GARG WORLD TOUR SIMILARITIES
Both had their dogs
both had requisite couples
both had one person with a gun
both had another person who was the same gender as the gun-toting one
both had reunions with past characters
both ended in vicious battles and alliances with former foes
both had nightmarish dream episodes
both had vessels being destroyed

shogun raptor
Sunday, October 17, 1999 08:31:18 PM
IP: user-38ldffg.dialup.mindspring.com

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Anonymous
Sunday, October 17, 1999 08:28:03 PM
IP: proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net

Sqeaks in.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Sunday, October 17, 1999 08:15:25 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp25.fltg.net

TOP TEN!!!!
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Sunday, October 17, 1999 08:08:55 PM
IP: dial-197.ocis.net

Wow, this is early! Top Ten somewhere!!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:58:55 PM
IP: pig.cc.monash.edu.au

Top ten.

Mandi: If ye didn't see it before the room wiped ... resend the info I need from ye for Team Delta, please, I never received it.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:58:49 PM
IP: modem95.i-is.com

Doh! I took too long! :-P *feels stupid now*
Blue Caeru
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:38:16 PM
IP: ppp-15-ts8.nerdc.ufl.edu

*walks in holding hands* wow! we made the top ten! yippee!
Jannie & Denis
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:37:38 PM
IP: 168.171.197.54

I'm here! I'm still alive! Wow, I've never been second before. :-)
Blue Caeru
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:37:20 PM
IP: ppp-15-ts8.nerdc.ufl.edu

Top 10! :D
Wilek
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:37:05 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

1st!
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:36:56 PM
IP: abd7e360.ipt.aol.com

Gee, this is the slowest race for first I've seen in the entire year I've been here...
Robby
Sunday, October 17, 1999 07:35:22 PM
IP: spider-ti062.proxy.aol.com