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thankyou everyone for your paryeres and well thoughts.......i will not be here for a while. my Best Friend just died i.....he was only 28 i guess i didn't pray hard enough i have to let all his friends know

Goodbye and thankyou for all the warmth and friendship
ironwolf
Sunday, October 31, 1999 07:22:01 PM
IP: host-216-78-83-37.cha.bellsouth.net

Just a quick post to say: I know the answer to the riddle. It's really rather simple if your read it carefully enough. That's enough of a clue for now. ;-) Hope I don't drive anyone insane with this post.

Oh, and scary Halloween. Or Samhein, or whatever you're celebrating.
(sounds much more interesting than 'happy halloween doesn't it).

More to come later
T. J. Veil
Sunday, October 31, 1999 06:01:30 PM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Yes I know "Riddler" is the title for another villain, but hey, I like it.

Warpmind- The word "gry" is not the answer to Robby's riddle. It is not found or used everyday, and most people don't use it or even know about it. As well, it does not end the word. It does not work or fit. Reread the riddle, and hunt for the real answer. It will be given after the CR wipe.
Lonny the Riddler
Sunday, October 31, 1999 03:38:43 PM
IP: spider-wa081.proxy.aol.com

Oopsie ... I was so excited about finally getting Team Delta posted that I put up the wrong URL!!! **face turns bright red** Here's a good link. Sorry!
Coyote the Red-Faced Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 31, 1999 03:04:16 PM
IP: modem45.i-is.com

I know, I know, I've made too many posts tonight... but I think some of you might be interested in this: It's an Adventure game called "The Longest Journey", from a Norwegian company called FunCom. Now, I checked out the trailer, and with what little foreknowledge I have of the actual work behind this game, I'm tempted to be optimistic. Especially if they keep all their promises, regarding the lip-synch speech etc.

Just click my name, eh?
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 31, 1999 02:28:26 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**jogs in still wearing the Eddie costume**

Happy Hallowe'en!! And just a quickie post for now, becase I'm soooo HAPPY!

Doug, Kitainia, and everyone else, wait no longer. I finally finished it ... click on my name link for "TEAM DELTA!!"
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 31, 1999 02:18:29 PM
IP: modem45.i-is.com

Hi. I"m back. The Con was pathetic. We ended up canceling the LARP and returning the one player who had done pre-reg's money.

Oh well. After that, we went out to eat, then played House of the Dead 2 on my friend Margot's dreamcast. With full autofire, HotD is almost possible.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, October 31, 1999 02:10:32 PM
IP: pppa13-fortworth4-2r201.saturn.bbn.com

*Warpmind enters the CR, cocky as heck.*

Okay, ladies and regulars, I've solved that infernal riddle! Sound the trumpets! The word is "gry". Gry, meaning "one tenth of a line", an aspect of the decimal system. I'll admit it, I cheated a bit, but I found it! MOAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

So much for the feelin' good about it. Now, I feel like the same ol' sumbitch I've always been.

Well, time for a bit of fun...

**DC DISTORTION!**
DC is sitting by himself, taking a break from all the suffering he has been put through. Unfortunately, Warpmind appears, blocking the only exit. He draws a strange-looking gun from his little gray sack. "Hi, DC. Prepare to suffer. A lot." With that, Warpmind shoots DC with a strange ray. Afterwards, DC is still standing, grinning. "Hah, and you thought you could kill me with that?" Warpmind grins wickedly. "Nope, that's just the Negro Ray. Look at yourself." DC runs to the nearest mirror, an behold! He is now a black man. Warpmind casually pulls up something resembling those big guns in Men In Black, and fidgets with a few dials. "You know, DC, there are worse things to be than a black man in a CR in the 1990's. Like, say... a black man at a KKK meeting in Alabama in the 1960's?" With that, Warpmind fires at DC, who in return vanishes out of his assigned time/space coordinates. Warpmind smiles and polishes his gun a little before returning it to within the sack. "Heh. I knew I made a sweet deal on this Temporal Displacer Gun..."
**DC DISPLACEMENT ENDED**

Later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 31, 1999 01:35:43 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**SCOOBY DOO ON ZOMBIE ISLAND SPOILERS**

Saw Scooby Doo on Zombie Island this morning mized in with some new Pokemon. Rather interesting film... I particularly enjoyed the scene where Fred was dressing for dinner and considered for a moment wearing that ascot of his, and then deciding "naaaah." Quite a fun bit. Tee hee.


**END SCOOBY DOO ON ZOMBIE ISLAND SPOILERS**

Yes, my evil sinister laugh is a soft and fairly cute "tee hee". You have a problem with that?

Doug- Expect an e-mail on how todays Pokemon episode went shortly...

Wilek- No, actually, evil does die. I suffered a rather nasty death actually... Connection Denied threw me off the Dark Star 2 into a vast chasm full of jagged rocks 10,000 feet below. Twice... Then he cut me up into little piece, checked to make sure I wasn't an clone of myself and that no cell samples were missing to make another clone, and then he pureed me in a blender and burned me. I'm really *quite* dead. Just walking the earth in ghostly form right now...

Thailog Horror- Nice ta see you. Been a while.

Warpmind- When looking at the riddle, be sure to read the proper one, the second one posted. The first one has no answer...

Ed- No announced month for other upcoming TGS projects, they are still very much in development. But Dark Ages is nearly here. (Oooh, I like that series title... It's got the word "dark" in it...)

Christine- Scary thing to think about. WHile searching th furry archives, I stumbled accross that Scooby Doo story you did a couple years back... Uh... Interesting piece...

Zombie Pikachu eh? Hmm...

Spacebabie- Looks like DC has blue eyes, one blew this way... Tee heee... That's funny!

And now, click my name for the MICHAEL JACKSON song that scares the spit out of me... And its NOT Thriller...
Lonny, Dead Evil Twin
Sunday, October 31, 1999 12:59:09 PM
IP: spider-tp014.proxy.aol.com

Im back!
HAPPY SAMHAIN to all us fellow Pagans and Wiccans in the room
And
HAPPY HALLOWEEN to the rest in the room

I will post again on Wensday or Thursday.
Bye
Lawrence Stone - [craft_celtic@yahoo.com]
Chillicothe, Ohio, USA
Sunday, October 31, 1999 12:48:24 PM
IP: chil-ras4-2-cs-2.dial.bright.net

Begin DC torture

Using Sta's strong hands Spacie grabs DC's head and begings squeezing inwards, Suddenly his eyeballs shoot out of his eye sockets leaving blood trickling out of the holes.

"Looks like DC has Blue eyes. One Blew this way and the other blew that way."

Ok Today is the first day of my brother's first JOB!!!!! pray he doesnt get any dumb @$$ customers on his first day.

Central Floridians are confused, authority's advised celebrating Holiday yesterday instead of today due to Sunday being a schoolnight and yesterday was "Fall back" day; the result confusion. We only had one group of kids yesterday and I believe the rest of them are Trick-or-treating tonight. Is anyone else suffering from similar confusion.

Speaking of my brother he nearly wet his couch yesterday watchinbg digimon when Garurumon evolved into WereGarurumon. My brother has a fascination with wolves and werewolves. I don't whats the del but its my guess that Sora and Beomon are playing Garudian angels wathcing over their friends and then probably joinging them when they find Izzy and Mimi


Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Sunday, October 31, 1999 12:40:30 PM
IP: ts004d04.orl-fl.concentric.net

Warpmind > that'd be a pretty amazing coincidence, wouldn't it? Fully intentional. So were a few other choices for names in that one.

Becca wore her Lexington suit to a safe trick-or-treat run by the businesses along Greenwood Ave. yesterday ... nobody knew what she was ... "a dragon? a dinosaur?" ... all of our pumpkins are rotted ... knew I carved 'em too early, and I shouldn't have kept them in the house, but squashed rinds all over the neighborhood the other morning showed me I was prudent to do that. Becca's Pikachu pumpkin is now "Zombie Pikachu" ...

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Sunday, October 31, 1999 12:00:30 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

While I remember: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

I forgot that in my previous posts today.

Wilek: Were you the guy who also had a copy of the Call of Cthulhu RPG? Say, have you checked out Chaosium's site yet? There's a couple of investigations available for download there, as well as a "novelty", namely "The Drooler in the Dark: The Dog that Should Not Be". Trust me; when you're the Master of the game, I believe you, too, may find that one hilarious. It's all the cruel, sadistic dogs you've ever met, and more!

Well, I must go, due to the stupidity of the SysAdmin.

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 31, 1999 11:50:52 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Darn it Bronx Wyvern! That's what I was going to post ;) HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE! Look out for gargoyles in disguise and watch "Eye of the Beholder" to set the mood!

Kit> I hope you got me email.
SOROW
Sunday, October 31, 1999 11:23:52 AM
IP: dll2b110-38.splitrock.net

Wilek: <TWISTED. :) >
Well, I thought I should at least mention the children I had from that long and dark time of my life.

Lady Mystic: HOPEFULLY I can get her in here today to post and respod to the birthday wishes personally.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, October 31, 1999 10:39:27 AM
IP: t2-40.visitus.net

"Happy Hallowe'en"? Isn't that something of a conflict in terms? Perhaps not so much as it being called a "holiday"...

Anyway, at the risk of seeming a bother could you update backwards old me who hasn't been paying attention... I gathered that DA starts soon (two weeks someone said?). Is there an announced month for season 3 launches of the remaining series, or is this still up in the air?
Ed
Sunday, October 31, 1999 10:34:11 AM
IP: webcachew01a.cache.pol.co.uk

Spike: Um... okay, that clears things up a bit... uh... my "gallery", so to speak, is at http://members.xoom.com/de_InzanE/gallery.html (or, reachable by clicking my name), but, alas, due to infuriating problems, I cannot upload Manxine to the gallery, so if you might... help me out with that one for now, I'd be much obliged (provided you still have a scanned copy). If not, well, thanks anyway. And sorry if I sounded bitchy. I meant it merely inquisitively (though, it's hard to get through the inflections when stuck with mere text...) and not in any way offensive or insulting.

Well, I can't help but quit with a quote right now:
"Don't use big words where a singular, adequate synonym will suffice..."

Later, everyone, and best of happiness and luck to y'all.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 31, 1999 09:56:27 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi everyone! I'm baackk... and what more of a fitting day.

As the trio would say:

"Aw Halloween! Tonight is the night!"

"Yes! We can go out on the streets and noone will know who we are!"

"Better yet what we are!"

Have a Happy Halloween everyone!

*scampers out*
The indispensible Bronx Wyvern - [Bronx Wyvern4@aol.com]
Sunday, October 31, 1999 09:55:24 AM
IP: spider-wg011.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind>> Two reasons:
1) I'm remarkably slow at updating my pages, especially the Private Collections page. Once a commission leaves my door, it belongs to the client, not me.
2) I have NO idea where these pictures would be on your website. Most people provide me a link.
Spike
Sunday, October 31, 1999 09:28:36 AM
IP: ppp39-19.ght.iadfw.net

Sorry for the double post, but it seems nobody else posts at these hours...

Christine: Just read "Blood of the Jedi". Was the name Darth Tepes a coincidence, or was it intentional? I look to the name of another bloodsucker, known as Dracula...

Well, later, I gotta keep translating "Bodyguards"...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 31, 1999 09:01:33 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Okay, I'm back... and by gosh, I had a good time on my birthday. By the merest coincidence, there was a Halloween Party (which I believe I may have mentioned previously), and naturally, I figured it a good idea to go. I originally planned to go as a vampire, but I could not find convenient fangs my size (over here, they usually only come in sizes 7-12 years), thus I was forced to choose otherwise. I went as a Local Illuminati Political Contact, since I was unable to allocate a gauntlet and a sawed-off. I alone unnerved more people than the present witches, vampires and demons ALONE! But, I'll admit, there were weird events, also. For instance, at one time the line to the john consisted of: One Pumpkin Head, Two Vampires, a Demon, and a Mad Doctor. Had it been any other occasion, I would have left the building... of course, there were also other interesting costumes, like for instance the cutest little she-devil I've ever seen. (Oh, and don't ask.) Plus, there was one vampire who wasn't aware of the Star Wars phenomenon; he looked more like a Sith than a vampire... But on to the important matters at hand; the replies!

First: Thanks to all who have congratulated me. I feel older already. ;)

Spacebabie: Thank you for the card. It was amusing. I've always found Cartman dancing worthy of a great laugh.

Pistoff: That Star Wars list was priceless... maybe we should examine all four existing films for more?

Wilek: So, now you know my name. Don't spread it, okay?

Spike: One thing I've wondered about: There has been no mention of neither Manxine nor Jason Evermore on your "Private Collections" page, and you've asked Pistoff for permission to link to his pictures... I can't recall you asking me permession for the same thing, but, hey, trust me, I'd be honored to see my characters on your "Private Collections" page. Oh, and I might be orderin' more soon... depends on a few things... like economy.

Jenna: I know this makes me look like the King of @$$holes, but your little rant about your finances/living situation actually made me feel better... someone who lives in conditions worse than I do... but believe me, you have my full sympathy. Best of luck to you and yours.

Coyote: *Hands back the remote.* Thanks, but I tripped into a king-size cake on my way in here last time... I think that should suffice. How many others here have managed to pie themselves by accident?

Jannie: A guide for geeks? *ROFLMAO* The worst thing is... I can actually see myself pulling one of these tricks...

Gunjack Valentine: If I don't remember incorrectly, the laser is just for aiming, the particle beam itself is invisible...

Robby: That riddle is TOUGH! I've assigned some rarely-functional neurons to the task.

My TGS project: Hooray, I've finished ripping away the HTML code from all of TimeDancer season 1, plus the five first episodes of season two! If I can keep this up, I should be done by December...

Well, I must leave temporarily. Catch you all later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 31, 1999 07:01:08 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**Thailog Horror walks into the CR**

Uh, hi... Zath couldn't make it tonight, so I'm here instead. Everyone else in the apartment is getting s#!%faced off jello shots and who knows what else, so Zath's stuck in the bedroom with a mug of milk (they have all the glasses) and a box of butterscotch krimpets. Things aren't good right now. She still has a lot of replies to make, but she's saving the monster post for after the wipe.

To end on an up note, today (Halloween) is my cloning day!

**T. Horror sits down in a corner to wait and see if everything turns out okay at home...**
Thailog Horror - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, October 31, 1999 03:46:53 AM
IP: ppp-227-135.usc.edu

**RP HERE**

Near the remains of Area 51-A, a strange-looking dog and cat watch as Green Baron and his friends depart for their home base, the ashes that are left of Clinton's Shadow Brides blowing away in the wind. "Bill's going to be upset about this," Socks whispers to Buddy. "Yeah," the dog agrees. "Especially since his brides died screaming in ecstasy. They never made that noise for him." "That doesn't concern us," the cat snaps. "Once again, the Baron has escaped. I'd engage him, but the bane of our existence might be nearby and I don't want to mess with that little kitty." Buddy nods. "Let's just go back and tell our master the bad news." They sigh and leave the area, which is now finally clear of RP activity. :)

Back in the Sphinx, several of the Ravens cheer as Prime is incapacitated by the Administrator's assimilation nanites. "Now for you, doctor!" Shauna yells, then aims her bow at Sevarius. "Wait!" SJ shouts. "He's my dad!" "He's right, Shaun," Kit says. "Better let SJ handle his father." Shauna sighs and lowers her weapon. "Okay, whatever. But isn't he a bad guy?" Doug frowns in their direction, then looks over at Wilek's wounded team members. Shap and Orion are already in their midst applying spells. "Are you guys alright?" Doug asks. "Fine," says Wilek. "Thanks for coming in to help." "Anytime," Gubio replies. "By the way, this is my girlfriend, Erin. You haven't met her yet." "I have now," Wilek says, shaking Erin's hand and then turning to introduce his teammates while Gubio looks on. Doug turns from them and walks back to join Mist, Boris, Tricia, Lathrop and Jammer beside Prime's convulsing form. "Is he dead?" Jaden asks, walking up with Stephanie to flank Doug on either side. "Not yet," the Ravens' leader shakes his head. "Or at least it doesn't look like it. Until he does die, we aren't through here. Let's keep an eye on him while the others regroup."

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi everybody. Happy Halloween! Kit and I just got back from a huge party spread out over the clubs and sidewalks of 6th Street, Austin's local entertainment district. Huge crowds there tonight, as there are every Halloween. We saw lots of great costumes, and had a lot of fun. <smiles> I'm just glad we didn't get egged this year. (Year before last we did. Cops were nearby, and the perps thankfully got arrested. Glad nobody has since made the same mistake.) There will probably be more partying there tomorrow night. Wish we didn't have to study for midterms on Monday, or we'd go enjoy it. Oh well.

Pistoff: I remember that Andy and the bear bit. One of my favorite Conan moments. :) The two bears in the audience deal is another great one, as are all the times we've seen him kissing pretty girls on the show (like Kari Wuhrer and Brooke Shields). And my personal favorite guest out of all the ones I've seen recently was Claire Danes. She and Conan discussed a very interesting topic. :) Still not sure if Demona will go on his show in "Inner Demons." If she does it will probably be at the end, and I'd need to go through some big character moments with her first. (Already plan to do that of course, but whether it'll be geared towards getting her to go on Conan as well as treat humans with more tolerance instead of contempt is still unclear. Yeah, I know Demona has made some human friends in my ficverse, but she still takes every opportunity to express bias against the majority of the population. :) If anyone's wondering, "Inner Demons" is shaping up to be a really big story (24 pages so far and I haven't even begun the main action), but it is coming along.

Political Correctness, Stereotypes, and Related Topics: Like Scott, I too deplore political correctness in all its forms. Stereotypes are also a bad thing in my opinion (which is one reason so many of the bad guys in my stories are stereotypes of a certain race, religion, or other thing as far as their character goes). Both are a problem in real life, and I don't know exactly how they came about, but I do know the best way to get rid of them. First, every person who is somehow unfairly stereotyped must deny that stereotype and act in a way opposite to it. This way we can decrease the stereotype's incidence in real life, and even better destroy the idea of it if enough people see that there are people of a certain race, religion, etc who aren't like the stereotype says they are. Second, we must get people to stop demanding poltical correctness be used as a basis of treating your neighbor. As recent history has proven, it breeds stereotyping and does not work for making friends. Third, we have to let the TV networks and other stereotyping institutions know that most of their viewers don't like stereotyping (example- instead of watching shows where the Hispanics are lazy bums or gang members, campaign for more developed and interesting Hispanic characters like Captain Chavez of Gargoyles or Simone of NYPD Blue). This is a difficult thing to accomplish, since networks unfortunately hardly ever listen to their viewers these days. But if it can be done, I believe that the power of stereotyping in the media (and by extension that of political correctness, since PC is largely a result of stereotyping) can be destroyed.

AJ: The new season of Dark Ages begins in two weeks, I think. I'm also looking forward to it. Oh, and welcome to the CR.

Happy Birthday Warpmind, Lady Mystic, and anyone else who's recently aged another year.

Warpmind: If you want to read and criticize my fics, that'd be fine with me. <grins> I'm sorry, but I probably have the time any time soon to do the same to yours, though. Thanks for the offer. :)

Skippy: A redo of Phantom Menace? Yeah, I agree that would be a great idea. :) The movie was okay, but it did have a lot of downsides. Hope you'll go through on this plan, and let me know where to find the end results when it's done. I'll compare your version to Lucas's and see who comes out on top. <grin>

Saturday Morning Cartoons: Good Beast Machines ep this morning. The new MIB episode was also great. Three disappointments though. One, no new Batman Beyond. <sighs> Two, we didn't get to see much of that "Halloween Bash at Wayne Manor" Fox has been billing all week (I was quite entertained by its commericals- "No Pokemon allowed in the Batcave!"). Three, halfway through the new Pokemon episode my antenna shorted out and I never got to see how Ash defeated that pretentious first opponent of his. <sighs> If anyone caught the second half of Pokemon this morning, please send me a synopsis at the address below. I would really appreciate it. :)

Stephen: Welcome back! Glad to know you weren't gone forever. $ In answer to your RP question, it's going to be a LONG time before we actually confront Thailog directly. First we have to finish this deal with the Phalanx, then we're planning to fight a grand battle with Asil and the forces of Ted Turner in Hollywood. After that we have to cut off Thailog's supply lines by eliminating his demonic allies in Hell. Once that's done, we will return home to Earth and confront him for the big final battle. Of course, other things may get in the way between all this. You never know in the RP. :) Hope you weren't wanting us to confront him sooner than we've planned. If so, I'm sorry. :) Hope you can at least work your characters into the currently planned action, I liked them and it'd be good to see them again. I also look forward to BJ's revelation. $

Coyote: Yep, we pulled our costumes off. And so far they've been working out great for us. This has been a wonderful Halloween. :) Hope it's been the same for you up where you are. BTW, any news on the progress of WCC?

Christine: <I wrote myself into a corner> Augh, I hate when that happens! Good luck getting out of the mess soon. Also my congratulations to Becca on getting well.

Guess that's all for tonight. I'll get to bed now, rest up to do homework tomorrow morning. Good night everyone, and if you haven't already, have a Happy Halloween.

**RESUME RP**

"This guy's toast, Doug," Jammer insists as he watches Prime keep twitching. "Let's put him out of his misery." "Wait," Kit says as she and Shauna return to stand beside them, leaving SJ to look over his dad. "We may not be able to hurt this guy. Hodge and the Omega Weapon both were able to regenerate. Who says this head Phalanx can't as well?" "He probably can," Gubio frowns as he Erin, Orion, Shap, and Wilek's party spread out to surround Prime's form. "I got an arrow that should handle things if that's true," Shauna snaps, raising a bolt with flaming tip. "We should all hit him at once," Lathrop says. "That way we can overwhelm his regeneration." "Let's do it while he's still down fighting those nanites," says Wilek. "Yeah," agrees Erin. "Wouldn't want him to fight back." Doug nods and cocks his shotgun. The others also raise their weapons and begin taking aim at Phalanx Prime while SJ and Sevarius Sr. look on.

Meanwhile in Los Angeles, Asil and Storm Eagle continue to cruise the freeway in their stolen Batmobile. "Wonder who that weirdo was back there," Storm Eagle says, pointing to where they left Grifis behind. "Forget him," Asil says. "He was obviously someone too formidable for us to handle. We can call in reinforcements later if he becomes a threat." "Okay," Storm Eagle nods. "You're in charge. Anyway, what do we do now?" "We have to find some goons," Asil answers. "And Hollywood is the best place to do that. There's a lot of scum in this city, and most of it is looking for employment. Like those guys." Slowing down, she points to a small group of people clustered around a laundry truck parked on the highway's shoulder. All of them look pained and hungry, and several are holding up signs that say things like "Thugs Seek Ruthless Boss," and "Experienced but Unemployed Henchmen. Will Work For Food." (Cyber-cookie to the one who names the movie from which these slogans came.) "You're thinking of hiring those people?" Storm Eagle frowns. "They don't exactly look like the best." "Well, we'll never know if they aren't until we interview them," Asil points out. "Let's go over there and take a look." With that she pulls off the freeway and starts heading towards the suddenly-cheering Dirty Laundry Gang.

**TO BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME. FOR NOW WE MUST END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, October 31, 1999 02:54:12 AM
IP: pool-209-138-163-144.dlls.grid.net

Happy Samhain, everyone. <G> (Or is this Beltane? I always get them confused.)

I strongly suggest y'all (especially White Wolf fans) stop by www.planetvampire.com. Not only do they have a lot of information about the Vampire: The Masquerade PC game, but they have an MP3 of the *incredible* theme song.

Skippy> <<Making sure the story is 100% Gungan free is a first step>> Actually, the only Gungan I really had issues with was Jar Jar; the rest either weren't all that annoying or didn't get enough screen time to become that way. <<what would you think would improve the story?>>
**TPM SPOILER**
Well...I like it mostly as it is, except I would have allowed Darth Maul to be able to come back at some point in the future instead of killing him off so absolutely.
**END**

Robby> <<I still don't like ANY of the character designs except maybe Cheetor's and Jetscream's...>> Those are my favorites, but I also rather like Blackarachnia and the rest of the Vehicons, and the others tend to grow on you over time (well, me anyhow, but I'm weird). :) <<today's episode started the plotline thats a direct rip off of whats already been done!>> I noticed the similarity...but I figured it was intentional. Sort of foreshadowing in reverse. Hehe.

Stephen Sobotka> <<I started working on a synopsis of my own to detail what happens in Episode 2; Bascially leading up to the start of the Clone Wars, and the creation of the Imperial Forces.>> Interestingly enough, my creativity divas are nagging me into envisioning my own version of Episode III...

Gunjack> Welcome back! :D <<Could anybody give me a rundown on the technology behind the beam weapons in gargoyles? I seem to remember Owen saying that they were particle weapons, but it's been a while...>> Well...I remember something about the actual beams being invisible, and the visible portion being a targeting laser. (Interestingly enough, the same has been speculated about the energy weapons in Star Wars...)

Green Baron> <<soem comments I made a few weeks ago that upset a few fiends.>> You've upset Fiends? Bad move, friend; those things are HORRIBLE to deal with. The last time I tangled with one, it took an entire cabal of Celestial Chorus exorcists and a few dudes with mallets to get rid of it. 8P j/k

GRY riddle> I've seen now that my earlier guess was wildly inaccurate. Perhaps...'language'? ;)

Lonny> Evil never dies, eh? ;)
Wilek Nereus - [<--Devilbunnies! Eek!]
Sunday, October 31, 1999 02:46:47 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

SOROW: My personal e-mail address is below. Doug and I normally share the other one, but when the message must go to just me...you get the idea. Again, you don't have to tell me if you don't want to. Hope to hear from you soon. (And also see a picture of that garg-o-lantern. :)
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Sunday, October 31, 1999 01:47:01 AM
IP: pool-209-138-60-111.dlls.grid.net

Slightly off topic, but nessesary:

POGO, if you see this, please get in touch with me. I need the advice and knowledge of a law person. Please contact me ASAP.

Maintain and check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, October 31, 1999 01:47:15 AM
IP: m136.ieway.com

It took me three hours, but I finished my garg-o-lantern! He is the coolest and most intricate pumpkin on the block! I'll take a picture for you guys to see later *wishing for a scanner* And I finally get to wear my medeival dress!

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TO LADY MYSTIC! We love you! *hugs*

November Birthdays: (Wasn't it great to be conceived on Valentines?)

3rd-Spacebabie
5-Jessie
15-SJ
16-ironwolf
17-Pistoff
18-Jannie & SOROW
23-Peter
30-Lexy
?-jenna

Any more?

Kit> *long pause* For a somewhat reasonable explanation, you'll have to give me your email. :/
SOROW
Sunday, October 31, 1999 01:30:15 AM
IP: dll2b110-41.splitrock.net

And for my second Halloween activity, I shall kill Dis Connect... **Throws knives at the creep, they all connect** for not letting that wonderful midi of "Tubular Bells" work... Try this one instead...
Lonny, the Evil Twin
Sunday, October 31, 1999 01:11:18 AM
IP: spider-tj032.proxy.aol.com

**Robby enters the room wearing black leather and a goatee... And it quickly becomes apparent, it is not R, but his evil twin Lonny. Someone from the CR comments.

"Hey, I thought you were dead."
"I got better." Lonny smiles an evil sharp toothed smile and greets the CR.**

Hello all! Yes, I *am* dead, but just for today I thought I'd come back and host Halloween festivities... And to start it off, I'm going to include a few spiffy Halloween midis... Including this particular little classic... Clickie!
Lonny, the evil Halloween CR DJ
Sunday, October 31, 1999 01:08:26 AM
IP: spider-tj032.proxy.aol.com

New on my site:
3 pics in the Gallery -- a version of Jericho from Mike's fics, a really cool Ventura, and in honor of Halloween, a darling one of Amber and Goliath ; )
Also updated my list o' links.
Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Avalon Mists > don't forget the Artists'/Writers/ Challenge! Current topic: "Other Eras"
http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/avmists/sep99_wch.html

Fanfic progress > wrote myself into a corner, drat it all. Will be a few more days while I wrestle with how to get from where I am to the scene I already wrote for the end.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:51:32 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Ach, hit Submit too soon. Anyhow, or did I just make myself look like an idiot again? :P

Real post later.
Me again
Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:42:51 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Robby> <<"Think of words ending in "GRY". Angry and hungry are two of them. There are only three words in the English language. What is the third word? The word is something that everyone uses every day. If you have listened carefully, I have already told you what it is.">> Is the answer "What"?
Wilek
Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:40:59 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Well, upon being told the riddle wasn't right and in its current form it didn't work, I did some hunting, and found the original riddle. And this one makes sense...

"Think of words ending in "GRY". Angry and hungry are two of them. There are only three words in the English language. What is the third word? The word is something that everyone uses every day. If you have listened carefully, I have already told you what it is."

This one actually has an answer...
Robby
Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:39:12 PM
IP: spider-wa053.proxy.aol.com

The GRY riddle> I looked it up on Yahoo! and, well, NOBODY'S figured this one out yet. Nobody. The best explanation one linguist came up with was that the riddle was worded differently, making "hungry" be "the third word." Apparently, the way the riddle was originally worded set it up so that it could be construed as asking for the third word of the sentence "One is hungry, the other is angry." But that's only a possible explanation.

Food for thought before you send that riddle to everyone you know. :)
Mandolin
Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:06:30 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Okay, this riddle came to my attention and I haven't been able to crack it, maybe someone in here can figure it out or has heard the answer before...

There are three words in the English language that end in "gry". ONE is angry, the other is hungry. EveryONE knows what the third ONE means and what it stands for. Everyone uses them everyday, and if you listened very carefully, I've given you the third word. What is it? _______gry?

Send it to 5 people and you'll get the answer to pop up on your screen.
Robby
Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:00:54 PM
IP: spider-wa053.proxy.aol.com

**CONTAINS BEAST MACHINES SPOILERS/COMMENTS**

ROBBY - You wrote: [But having Ratrap betray his friends has apparently had no reprucussions for him like they did for Dinobot in Beast Wars]

I'd say that things were different in this situation than they were with Dinobot.

Dinobot as far as I remember decided that with everything the way they were, perhaps he'd be better off with the Predacons, only to discover that in the time he was gone, he had changed too much to every go back to what he was.

Rattrap here didn't go to Megatron with a Golden Disk in hand and beg admission into the ranks of the Vehicons. He came with an offer that wasn't really going to compromise anything (Cheetor had said that they were all going to stay to protect Optimus so that meant that agreeing that Maximal's weren't going to attack Megatron that night is meaningless since they weren't going to attack anyway) and it could even be argued that he wasn't in his right mind, that he was at the end of his rope and in complete desperation due to first his inability to transform and then his weaponless robot mode.

You wrote: [today's episode started the plotline thats a direct rip off of whats already been done! (Black Arachnia and Silverbolt/Thrust being on opposing sides because a spark has been screwed with...)

I agree that it's starting out that way and that it might probably go down that way but let's give it some time. We don't know if Thrust wants to be Silverbolt. We don't know if he can be Silverbolt again. He might find that he loves Blackarachnia but that he wants them to be together as Vehicons. There are still tons of possibilities.

I consider the last two episodes to be extremely good. Last weeks episode was consistant with the buildup that was done in BM since episode 1. And today's episode is a favorite because I love the Silverbolt/Blackarachnia romance plot. It's why I started watching BW and it's what keeps me watching BM. Can't wait to see part 2 next week.


STEPHEN - You wrote: [from the way things are going from the
previews, it looks like either Tankorr and Thrust will be joining the Maximals]

I think that it's going to be Thrust/Silverbolt. He has the most reason to switch sides once he gets some more of his memories back. Besides, his spark can always be moved to a new body and a new spark can always be put in a Thrust shell so the balance of power can always stay more or less the same.

**END OF BEAST MACHINES SPOILERS/COMMENTS**
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, October 30, 1999 09:44:33 PM
IP: 44.new-york-31-32rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

So few posts, and so many interesting things to comment on ... !

First off ... hope ya see this, LM ... Happy B-Day! WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!!
**moving crew wheels in another patented Execution cake, hands Lady Mystic a remote** Pick yer flavor. :)

Kitainia, re: costumes: You mean you guys *actually pulled it off?!* SWEET! **chuckles** And here I am, yesterday just finishing up the last bit of purchasing I need for my own costume, and this is something I'll be able to use this year, at least. (It's a pair of standard-issue biker steel-toe boots ... they're Harley-Davidson license. Cost just under $90, but I *really* needed a decent new pair of boots.)
So Eddie takes to the streets of Algonac tomorrow night ... accompanied by a 50's teeny-bopper (my mother's costume) and the Purple Web (my grandmother's costume ... she *always* dresses up, but this year her old wicked witch costume didn't pass muster.).

Green Baron, re: Buchanan: My friend, there is something I figured out a long, long time ago about Buchanan ... one thing that he can never get away from and that is this: he's a stupid hypocrite. Look at his first Presidential campaign ... he touted preserving American jobs, but at the same time campaigned in Detroit while driving a Mercedes-Benz fresh off the factory line in Stuttgart (keeping in mind this was in 1992, seven *years* before DaimlerChrysler was even conceivable). Trust me, if the man is dumb enough to parade a foreign-built car in front of what amounts to ... oh, I'd say about 75% of the United Auto Workers' card-carrying members, this is a man who is *definitely* not intelligent enough to run this nation.
Then again, if good ol' Slick Willie With Bad Aim could get in the White House ... **shudder**

And one last thing before I leave for the night ... see, I'm planning on singing in costume tomorrow night, and I have to make sure I've got the lyrics to Eddie's song memorized ... so please, bear with me.

**leaves for a moment, returns in complete Eddie regalia ... his new biker boots, black jeans, a blue jean jacket with the sleeves cut off with "Bat Out of Hell" in red across the back, black t-shirt reading "COSTUME," temporary tattoos, grey mortified-looking face, gold-rimmed sunglasses with long sideburns attached to the wings, squashed pompadour hairdo and a large, sloppy lobotomy scar across his forehead. Clears his throat**

Whatever Happened to Saturday Night (aka Hot Patootie)
(R. O'Brien)
--------

What Ever happened to Saturday night,
When ya dressed up sharp and ya felt all right?
It don't seem the same since cosmic light
Came into my life, I thought I was divine

I used to go for a ride with a chick who'd go
And listen to the music on the radio
The saxophone was blowin' on the rock 'n' roll show
We climbed in the back seat ... really had a good time

Hot patootie, bless my soul, I really love that rock 'n' roll!
(repeats four times)

My head used to swim from the perfume I smelled
My hands kind of fumbled with her white plastic belt
I'd taste her baby pink lipstick and that's when I'd melt
And she'd whisper in my ear tonight she really was mine

Get back in front, put some hair oil on
Buddy Holly was singing his very last song
With your arms around your girl you'd try to sing along
It felt pretty good ... Woo, you really had a good time ...

Hot patootie, bless my soul, I really love that rock 'n' roll!
(repeats 12 times)

------

Well? Whaddya think, sirs? Oh, and for those familiar with RHPS, if you're wondering why the costume's kinda inaccurate, it's partly because I threw it together and partly because it's based on both the movie and Broadway versions of Eddie, which were both played by Meat Loaf (on Broadway he wore sunglasses).

Ho-kay ... I feel REEEEEEEAL silly now ... :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, October 30, 1999 07:31:59 PM
IP: modem47.i-is.com

RP WARNING (one day late, thanks to net going down at Loyola)!!

The Catholic schoolgirl scouts are fighting and defeating the Shadow Brides, blasting them to ash. Attila takes his axe and chops through Darth Jordan.

GB is now trying to give Ave Maria CPR and she then opens her eyes coming to. She then wraps her arms around him and takes advantage of his mouth's location. GB is rather shocked, but only grabs her in an embrace, until they both come up for air.

"Whoa! Thanks, Ave, I haven't been kissed in months."
"No porblem, cutie. I've been wanting to do that to you for a long time, but don't get the wrong idea. I'm just gonna be your kissing buddy."**
END RP!!

Christine> Well, here's one RP with mild violence and some tame sexual references.

Jenna> I hope things imporve for you. I really hope you cna avoid going on public assistance and I hope you're not upset, but my opinion of your brotehr-in-law is pretty low. What is Mike studying, anyway? Remind him that with his degree, he can make a lot more in the long run.

Jewel> If I recall ebonics started in Oaklandby soem school administrators who I guess were looking for an excus as to why students were doing so poorly.

Janine> I'm all for using discipline and soem healthy fear. My mother gave me my share of bumps on the head for being an @$$, though she got too soft after she turned 40.

I think it's great your son is in Honors Latin. I loved Latin, though my father mocked me for not taking a spoken language, though his father was a Latin scholar.

Hispanic Culture and predjudice> By and large, thsi si not really an issue in New Olreans. While, we have teh largest Honduran population in American, most Hispanics I know live in the suburbs and all are middle or upper-middle class.

I think one other big problem is the lumping of all hispanics into one generic group. I think most sterotypes are nasty (like how those adulterous WASP pigs attacked the Irish last century) and a sign of that is typical of the know-nothing mentality against the Irish. As I ahve seen form teh Cubans in Miami, our hispanic citizens will provide potential to make America even greater and I hope they all have the same success the Irish have, so we can unite and crush the remaining WASPs in power :)

Buchanan> Because he is an Irish Catholic, I looked for ways to see some good in him and I was convinced for a long time he was part of a liberal media sting operation (like teh sh*t they pulled on Clarence Thomas), but now I know better, and I am really pissed off with that clown. How the hell can a fellow Eire ever buy into that xenophobic crap that attacked his ancestors a century or so ago.

Besides, the immigrants that will be coming in form Latin America and Africa are largely Catholic and very conservative. He should welcome them, since they share the views I like about Pat, though others offer Pat's godo attributes without the bad, so I'm gald Pat left the GOP. I hope he whines about job losses all throughout his bid for President that he will LOSE.

Predjudices> I am guilty of afew of my own, which led to soem comments I made a few weeks ago that upset a few fiends. It's good I'm more aware of them so I can put an end to such irrational feelings.

Now, I'm off. Have a Happy All Hallows Eve
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Saturday, October 30, 1999 05:20:16 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

*Valentine strolls in, leaning nonchalantly on a blackthorne cane, and grinning like the cheshire cat*

I've got my computer back.

Hmm... I think that lacked the proper emphasis...

AFTER TWO MONTHS OF WAITING, A WEEK AND A HALF OF LIVING WITH A PIECE OF CRAP THAT CRASHED EVERY FIVE SECONDS, WEEK UPON WEEK OF VOILENCE WITHDRAWEL, AND THE RIGORS OF A LIFE WITHOUT ENTERTAINMENT, ALL IS RESTOREd!

No more walking to the library every time I need a dose of the internet! No more getting stiffed by little girls who want to read about the backstreet boys' eating habits! No more dealing with a flood of boorish, vapid fourth-graders every afternoon! Now I can surf to my heart's content, finish catching up on TGS, and get down to absorbing the entire fanfic archive! Only one thing could possibely make this moment better!

*Valentine looks around impatiently, and then sighs*

Oh, well... I suppose it was a bit much to wish for a free plane ride to Harding... Nuts!

Anyway, I'll kick out a real post later when I come up for air. In the meantime, one technical question: Could anybody give me a rundown on the technology behind the beam weapons in gargoyles? I seem to remember Owen saying that they were particle weapons, but it's been a while...
Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, October 30, 1999 05:12:23 PM
IP: 1cust233.tnt9.dfw5.da.uu.net

Stephen> I wouldn't say that I really hate the Gungans, but considering all of the inherant problems with the story (Anakin being too young to acomplish all that he did, the virgin birth origin for Anakin, Darth Sidious' too obvious presence from the begining etc..) all I want to do is make an interpretation of the story that I feel would more live up to the mythology of Star Wars...

I see nothing wrong in redoing Star Wars. Seeing how many of the diehard fans have been disappointed by the movie, I don't feel like I am in the minority when I suggest an online remake...
Skippy the Klingon
Saturday, October 30, 1999 04:34:49 PM
IP: uv1-36.ultravision.net

SKIPPY: Re: TPM - Oh, come on! I'll admit that Jar Jar was a bit loopy at times (see annoying), but redoing Episode one to be void of all Gungans?!? Isn't this taking Jar-Jar Hate just a wee too far?

Seriously though, as an exercise for writing, I started working on a synopsis of my own to detail what happens in Episode 2; Bascially leading up to the start of the Clone Wars, and the creation of the Imperial Forces. Jar Jar does make a brief appearance, but that's early in the synopsis, and from my reckoning, only accounts for about 2 minutes of screen time (if a movie was made).

ROBBY: Re: BEAST MACHINES - Actually, this new ep isn't a ripoff, since the same writers that worked on BW are doing BM. And I was pleased to see them finally getting around to revealing which spark was in Thrust... I was betting on Jetstorm, but after seeing Thrust save Black Arachnia THREE times, well, that clinches it! And from the way things are going from the previews, it looks like either Tankorr and Thrust will be joining the Maximals, which will shift the ballance of power greatly, or Megs is going to have to wise up and start using Predecon sparks in his Vehicons if he wants to insure the loyalty of his troops.

I wasn't too thrilled with the final designs myself, but I've taken a gradual shine to them... I'm just wondering what's going to happen next, should Primal and the others DO get their former comrades to defect for good. Will they remain Vehicon formats, or will Primal re-format them into Maximal modes?

More to comment later... oh, Doug & Kit? When will the Ravens confront Thailog directly in your RP? I haven't forgotten Big Jake and Jessesondra, since BJ still has a revelation to drop... but he has to be there when the gang finally gets a face-to-face with the indigo overlord...

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, October 30, 1999 03:55:07 PM
IP: m11.ieway.com

**RP HERE**

Jim's clone runs not nearly at top speed towards the battle with Phalanx prime, and while the theory is he could be there in a couple of seconds, he's keeping his speed down for Black Tiger, who's head is dropped, and is dragging his feet along.
"Come on BT, we gotta help the others! Why, SJ could be getting strangles by a phalanx or been turned into a borg or something by now?"
"It doesn't matter."
"WHAT? They're our friends! Kari is my sister sorta, and she's your aunt! We have to help them!"
"Why?"
The Jim's clone's pure heart and innocent mind does not know. "Because," BT continues, "They'll die if we don't."
"Yeah... So why don't we hurry up and help?"
Black Tiger sighs. "Because there's no point, we're all good as dead anyway."
"Wha?"
"The cyber smurf said something that terrifies me. He mentioned the ten..." Black Tiger goes silent, and then reaches for something in his suit. He pulls out a pokeball and hits a trigger. Out pops a Sandslash, the evolved form of Sandshrew. (Who belonged to the Original Jim before he got sent to the next dimension.) "All right," Black Tiger says, going into his best Panthro impression. "If we're gonna do it, lets do it!" And so the trio races towards the battle, hoiping they aren't too late to help.

**END RP FOR NOW**

Pokemon- Yesterday they replayed the "Pikachus Goodbye" episode, and I cried, AGAIN! Cripes, whats with that episode? And really spiffy news, the movie release has been moved up! From November 12 to November 10! YESSSSS... Wait, thats a Wensday.. I have mentor meetings Wensday... Durn it...

**BEAST MACHINES SPOILERS**

Hmm... Interesting episodes the last two weeks. The plot is interesting, if not an exact repeat of what they've already done... I dunno, I just can't get into Beast Machines like I did Beast Wars... Maybe its the liquid animation,(those explosions still bug me.) maybe its the lousy character design... (I still don't like ANY of the character designs except maybe Cheetor's and Jetscream's...) Maybe its the lack of Dinobot and Waspinator... But having Ratrap betray his friends has apparently had no reprucussions for him like they did for Dinobot in Beast Wars, and today's episode started the plotline thats a direct rip off of whats already been done! (Black Arachnia and Silverbolt/Thrust being on opposing sides because a spark has been screwed with...) Ah well...

**END BEAST MACHINES SPOILERS**

Aaron- I brought up ANTZ cause you mentioned it on Monday...

Pogo- I don't know what the deal with Kenny the CR Lawyer is. He was around when I first got here. Well, I named him... In fact, I named him on Haloween last year when I posted as him. Hmm.

All Birthdays coming up or recently past- Have a good one!

SJ- Sorry, my joke came off badly I'm afraid...

Conan O' Brian- Last night's episode was one of the classics... Got into a big discussion about an ivory something or other and an Egyptian guy which got really out of hand...
Robby
Saturday, October 30, 1999 01:20:36 PM
IP: spider-wb014.proxy.aol.com

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Gunjack Valentin
Saturday, October 30, 1999 01:19:02 PM
IP: 1cust90.tnt3.dfw5.da.uu.net

Robby>
<<Phantom Menace- In retrospect, except for the lousy acting, plot holes, and Jar Jar, I liked it.>>

Same here, I thought Lucas just was busier playing with his new electronic toys than directing the flick...

In fact, I've had this idea floating around my head the past few days. I discovered this spoiler sight a couple moths before TPM came out called Virtual Edition. Basicly it was a online comic telling the whole plot for the movieusing digitally composited images ...check my name link

Anyway, I went to this Halloween party last weekend, not suprisingly Star Wars was the favored theme. What was amazing was this guy from a sci-fi fan club was a dead ringer for Qui Gon Jin. That was the thing that really got me thinking...

Why not rewrite TPM, get some models, and do a TPM remake on the internet? I'm sure voluteers from the sci-fi comunity here in Dallas might jump on the bandwagon. With live models digitally composited into artifical enviromet (hey, it worked for Lucas!:) the effect ought to look good...

Big thing is, where do the story improvements need to be? Making sure the story is 100% Gungan free is a first step, but besides that, what would you think would improve the story?
Skippy The Klingon
Saturday, October 30, 1999 12:16:42 PM
IP: uv1-51.ultravision.net

Wilek> *chuckles* yeah, I can relate to your foreign language dilema :) I can't get my tongue to move how it needs to in order to make all of those hocking loogie sounds *LOL* My son is in Honors Latin and I just sit and blink at him a lot. ;) I am at least starting to recognize certain french words in text form, so at least if someone writes to me, I can pick out a word or two. *L*

je t'aime mon Denis *winks*

Disclaimer, Surgeon's General Warning, etc:
I found this link and I thought it was funny. However, I do not wish to offend anyone nor insinuate that anyone here is applicable. It is just for humor and an opportunity to chuckle at one's self (if any of it applies) - which is good for the soul ;) It is "How to Get Babes for Geeks". So, if you are offended, please do not click on the link - I don't want to have to defend a little humor ;) [Humor as in my opinion :)]
Jannie
Saturday, October 30, 1999 10:39:24 AM
IP: 168.171.196.138

**RP!**

[The Phalanx Prime has the Sevarii held hostage, daring the Administrator to either let him kill them or surrender and be killed herself. Instead, she chooses None Of The Above. Plan B consists of firing assimilation darts at father and son. SJ: "What the--" Sevarius: "What are you doing?!" Administrator: "There is no time to explain. Trust me."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Interesting day at Borders. Remember when they showed Animal Farm, and I said something about wishing they would release the soundtrack, but figuring they probably wouldn't because it was a made for TV special? Guess what I found. :) Say what y'all will about the movie, the music was incredible. Discovering that the thing existed was almost enough to send me off the deep end and into an overjoyed frenzy of celebratory slaughter. ^_^ Also got the Antz soundtrack. Normally I hate this kind of music, but this particular soundtrack is extremely kewl; it's amazing they were able to make this style work so well. :)

Mandolin> <<that friend hurt herself last night because she had to go down the back steps and they didn't turn the work lights on. The director said she didn't have to take the steps yet, but the assistant director screeched at her to get her ass down. She nearly fell off the platform. I'm walking her down to the Health Center to get her knee checked out today; she's all but threatening to quit.>> ACK! I hope she's not too badly hurt!

Kaioto> <<Thanks for your well-wishes.>> You're welcome. ^_^

Jewel> Wow. Incredible art there. Had no idea you drew on top of everything else. :)

Jenna> :O Oh no--I--there are just no words. :( You're in my thoughts, friend. <hugZ>

Jannie> <<I'm foreign language-retarded>> You too? :) I've always wanted to learn another language or two (especially Latin), but for some reason, I can never grasp much more than the basic rudiments of the grammar. And that's only for the languages descended from Latin (English, French, Spanish, German, etc); I probably couldn't even get that far with some of the more exotic languages like Japanese or Russian.

Coyote> Rant> <shudder> Scary, evil possibilities there...Duke/Buchanan and company in power...<shudders again>

Lady Mystic> Happy birthday! :D (Wow there are a lot of birthdays this time of year...)

Fire Storm> DC Death> TWISTED. :)

$SJ> <<do you think we could finish things up by Sunday (i.e. kill Prime?) It'd be cool to end things on the holiday, but I can understand if some of you want to take it a little longer. Thanks.>> Hm...I think sometime around then would be the perfect time for that. :)$

Kitainia> Just to be weird, I put your Spanish Team Rocket manifesto into Babelfish, even though I knew what it was. <g> Amusingly enough, here are the results: "It prepares by pain" "Beam doubles to him" "To protect the world it is of devastation." "Unitar all the people in its nation." "To really denounce bad and the love." "To above extend our reach to us to stars" "Equipment Rocket, to fly at the speed of light" "Renda now or prepares to peliar" "Me-owth, this reason". A Trek-style Universal Translator it ain't. :P

T.J. Veil> <<Lately, I've been noticing that several other fanfic venues have held awards for favorite fanfics and authors etc... I was wondering if anyone had done this before for Gargoyles, and if not, I was considering organizing one of these.>> Um...I think we had a bit of a vote thingie a while back? (Or does that count? I'm not sure...)

**RESUME RP!**

[The assimilation nanites spread, not all over the bodies of Sevarius and son, but just to those portions which are in contact with the Prime's tentacles...assimilation tubules sprout from the hostage humans and inject nanites into the Prime. The grey infection spreads halfway down Prime's strange appendages, petrifying and amputating them, freeing his captives, from whom the Borg nanomachines retreat, leaving them unassimilated. SJ: "What just happened?" Administrator: "The beginning of the end...and our victory." SJ and his dad exchange a suspicious glance, which the Borg queen notices. "You need not be concerned; the nanites within you are permanently inactive now, and will soon be destroyed by your immune systems. But *his* torment--" she casts a haughty glance at the Phalanx leader-- "is only beginning." Her expression is a chilling grin, the kind a spider might have just before ensnaring an insect...] RPers: It'll take about until whenever you desire to end this for Prime to be killed. Hehehehe. 8)

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, October 30, 1999 03:17:58 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Lately, I've been noticing that several other fanfic venues have held awards for favorite fanfics and authors etc... I was wondering if anyone had done this before for Gargoyles, and if not, I was considering organizing one of these. I would be interested in hearing other peoples input on this. Feel free to comment here or send me an email with your opinion.

Fan Mail - I must confess that I haven't sent fan mail in a long time. The last time I sent fan mail to someone, it was comments on a story that included some of what I considered to be constructive criticism (I thought one of the characters was way out of character from the series and I said why). A reply came back that pretty much said that they didn't agree with me and told me where to go. Since then, I've been wary to send any mail, because I tend to point out things that I don't agree with when I see them.

FireStorm - <<when Pokemon go bad>> sounds like a Fox special in the makings.

jannie - I have to agree with you completely on the stadium issue. Too many people think more about a sports team than about the everyday needs of the city. Asking the city itself to build a stadium to host a team is stupid. It's just another way for the govenrment to be screwed out of money. And its one that nobody thinks about. And then they complain when the taxes go up.

jenna - (the gal with the jag) I think that people with money assume that everyone should be in awe of their wealth and they should get their way. I personally would have told her what she could go do in that spot she needed.

Sorow - Congrats on your new job. I hope you enjoy it.

jenna - about the clan structure on gargoyles... I also noticed this, but not in those terms. What I noticed, is that it was the type of family that you see pretty much everywhere in the world except the 'most developed' countries. It seems that in America everyone thinks its more important to look out for themselves then for a whole family or clan.

jewel - The reason for racism is very simple. It's much easier to assume that people who look or act different are worse than we are than to get to know them on an equal footing. And if there's anything true about the world today, it's that most people would rather do waht's eassy than what's right. And yes, it has been going on since the early days of America and before. The histry of the world tells of people subjugating or demeaning others who are different than they are. And until people as a whole are willing to look at the past and learn from it, we will be doomed to repeat it.

ironwolf - My prayers are with your friend. And it's not you that's bad luck so don't blame yourself. I went through all that when my father died several years back. It's the world that's bad luck. We just happen to live in it.

Mandi - Good to see you back. I hope your friend is all right.

jenna - **big hugs** I hope you're going to be okay. My prayers will be with you, and I hope that your husband doesn't have to drop out of school. As for your brother-in-law, I don't like to say this, but you may need to get him some kind of help. I've seen firsthand how someone who is carried through life acts, and until you can get him to take some responsiblity fo himself, the situation will not get any better.

Thought for the Day:
"It's a bad sun. Fight's so hard, postures and roars its bravado. Listen to it roar... so angry, but filled with more despair than drowning lovers. It's whimpering now. Terribly sad, really. Day after day, it puffs its chest with power and pride. Yet night after night, the dark grapples with the poor sun, restling it down, suffocating it. Knows it'll lose, but every morning it has hope that the next time will be different."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Saturday, October 30, 1999 02:08:19 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

**RP HERE**

Outside the Sphinx, a large Avatar assault shuttle comes in for a landing. Keith and Elena leap out as its doors opened, followed by Agent Rho and a squad of commandos and high-tech-wielding MIBs. Quickly they run to assist the Avatar Borg in mopping up the remaining Phalanx drones outside the Sphinx, who are surprisingly being led by an assimilated Jon Lovitz. "Hey you two!" he shouts at the disembarking Ravens. "I know you think I'm not funny! You both will die now!" Keith responds to this by swatting away the bad comedian's appendages with blows from his nunchuks while Elena blizzards Lovitz's body with assault rifle cartridges, all the while shouting that she is taking revenge on behalf of Conan O'Brien (if you've seen the awful jokes Lovitz made when he appeared on that talk show recently, you'll know this is justified <grin>). "Stop that!" Lovitz screams at them. Then his face blanches as a spear blade stabs into his heart from behind. "Oh no!" he wails. "Last Deathbed Confession- I don't have a.." He dies before being able to complete the phrase and Meryt smiles wryly as she withdraws her spear from his corpse. "Hey, it's you," Elena says, recognizing her from earlier. "Things going well here?" The gold statue nods. "Yeah, we almost have these guys mopped up. I think your friends went inside the Sphinx." "Then let's get in there," Keith says, pointing at it. "It's this way, come on!"

The scene shifts to inside the Sphinx, where the Ravens are still battling Hodge. "You know something?" he cackles as they attack him. "I am invincible! Nothing can kill me thanks to my special Phalanx powers! You fools will never be able to destroy me! Surrender now!" "Never!" Stephanie snaps back, going into a berserk frenzy and hacking off tentacles left and right. "Uh, Sis," Kitainia looks worried as she watches. "That's not a good idea!" Her point is soon proved, because for every tentacle severed, Hodge grows two more from the stump. "That's right, Ravens!" he roars. "I am a Hydra! I regenerate all hurts you cause!" "Until you die," Doug corrects him, continuing to fire plasma shells. Hodge shrugs off the damage and keeps fighting. Soon the Ravens, despite the ease of the fight, are wondering if they will even be able to make a dent in Hodge. Beside them, the other party members continue to duel with Prime.

**SUSPEND RP TILL AFTER MAIN POST IS OVER**

Hi everyone. Are you ready for the weekend? :) Hope so. Doug and I will be having some fun on it thanks to Halloween, I assume you will all be doing the same. :) We wore our costumes to classes today, and raised a lot of eyebrows. Confused a lot of people too. I'll never forget the look on our Spanish professor's face when we told her the Team Rocket motto. :) ("Prepara por pena!" "Haz le doble!" "Proteger el mundo es de devastacion." "Unitar todos las personas en su nacion." "Denunciar los malos de verdad y amor." "Extendernos nuestro alcance a los estrellas arriba!" "Equipo Cohete, volar a el velocidad de luz!" "Renda ahora o prepara peliar!" And then of course someone chimed in- "Me-owth, esta razon!") Yeah, I know it sounds better in English, but we still got a lot of laughs. :)

Kaioto: I agree with you, we need more mooks in life. <grin> Thanks for the continued good philisophical posts, CR Sage.

Happy Birthday Lady Mystic! Same to Warpmind, and anyone else who I've missed. :)

SOROW: Glad you got a job and checking account, congratulations. Hope you enjoy both. <All these topics (egg adoption, dating) are a little off-base for me. But I will say that the sweetest things I've ever heard said to me are from Mr. Joe Boxer in here :)> If this is true, (just out of curiosity) why isn't Joe still your boyfriend? You don't have to tell me if it's private, I'm just wondering. If a guy said really sweet things to me and was as nice and interesting a person as Joe seems to be by his posts, and he wanted to date me I'd probably hold on to him. <grins at Doug>

SJ: Glad you got our RP plans and agree with them. :) I'm sad to know I was right about Fox showing World's Most Sucky Moments and World's Dumbest Most Obviously Fake Police Chases tonight. Especially since the Ryan Caulfield and Harsh Realm eps they were supposed to have shown sounded really interesting. (The former was about cops dealing with racism, too. Doug wanted to watch it for ideas to use in his upcoming fic.) Now we may never see get to see them. <sighs> If you or anyone else finds a website with episode scripts for these shows or even better Real Player tapes of them (like there were for the delayed Season 3 Buffy episodes), the link would be very much appreciated. :)

Pistoff: My praise goes out to the makers of those great pics on your website. Also, thanks for the great rant.

My prayers are with your friends, Ironwolf. Same to you and your husband, Jenna. And anyone else in here who's currently suffering misfortune. May all your troubles end soon.

Christine: Read and really enjoyed your latest Jedi story. Sounds like Obi-wan has lots of good memories to occupy his thoughts when he eventually grows old and retires to the Tatooine waste. :) Thanks for the entertainment. Looking forward to your next story and glad Becca is getting well.

Hispanic Culture: I agree that there is a great wealth of character and potential in this minority group. Unfortunately, it is not recognized by a lot of people. In my opinion and a lot of others', that's really sad. <sighs> I agree that Hispanics deserve less negative stereotyping and more positive recognition for the great things they can do and the wonderful sorts of people they can be. This opinion has been reached despite much contact with the stereotypes, mostly thanks to the good Hispanic friends I have (such as Elena), my Spanish studies, and the fact that I've enjoyed many things Hispanic people have put out (Mexican Mariachi music, Mexican and Spanish food, and Robert Rodriguez movies are a few good examples). Hopefully more people will soon come to recognize the culture's strengths, especially the ones mentioned by Jenna (such as how their family structure is akin to a clan). No one, including these people, deserves to be treated like dogs.

Mandi: You missed the Halloween Buffy and Angel eps? That's terrible, they were great entertainment. If you want synopses, drop me an e-mail and I'll send them to you. Hope you get your VCR fixed soon and good luck with the upcoming play.

TGS Dark Ages Season 2 begins in just two weeks now, I can hardly wait for it! :)

And that's all for tonight, I guess. No good films this weekend, unfortunately. Hope something comes out in the next. Everyone have a good weekend. Stay safe, but party down and enjoy Halloween. <grins> Later.

**RESUME RP**

"We have to help them!" Shap shouts, seeing the trouble Prime is giving Wilek and SJ's groups. "Come on, people, we have to take this guy down!" "I'm afraid that could be difficult," sighs Shauna. "My arrows aren't even putting a permanent dent in him." "Neither are any of our weapons," Kit glowers and fumes, in the same instant dodging a tentacle swipe. Stepping back from the battle to study Hodge, Lathrop frowns. "There may be a way to handle this opponent," he whispers to Boris, Orion, and Gubio. "Cover me." The other three nod and start batting off tentacles while Lathrop begins to chant a powerful spell. Hodge grimaces at the sight of this and is about to shoot at Lathrop with his eyeball lasers, but Mist fires her chaingun at his neck area and spoils his aim. Just then Hodge is distracted as Prime grabs SJ and Sevarius, then delivers his ultimatum. Thinking victory is imminent, the Phalanx lieutenant smiles. The look is stuck on his face as Lathrop completes casting and a sheet of ice appears around Hodge, freezing him in place and rendering him unable to make any further attacks. "Good move!" Tricia cheers. "Yeah," Jaden agrees. "Way to cool down this battle!" "I'm not done yet," Lathrop smiles. He then sends a barrage of fireballs into the ice around Hodge, and the Phalanx lieutenant is vaporized by them and dies screaming even as he thaws. "A small matter," Prime shrugs off his demise. "I still have the upper hand. Choose, Administrator!" "Let's just ventilate this guy," Jammer suggests. Doug shakes his head and looks at the Administrator. "We can't do that while he's got SJ. I hope Wilek has something up his sleeve."

**(note- more of Asil's LA joyride will come next time, don't worry) END RP IN THIS POST**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, October 30, 1999 01:30:26 AM
IP: pool-207-205-146-243.dlls.grid.net

SOROW> I'm turning 19 on November 23rd

Jenna> I can understand what you are going through, my family's been there. *hugs* I'll be praying for you.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Saturday, October 30, 1999 01:25:55 AM
IP: dial-237.ocis.net

***BEGIN RP***
The pressure was beginning to get to Prime. His hideous face twitched in anger. "You....are ruining...all my plans," he stammered through the gnashing of his teeth. "I'm getting very tired of this."
Kari took that opportunity to leap at Prime. He cut her down before she could reach him with an energy blast that eminated from his eyes. The two globes glowed with a blinding light. "Enough of this soft-core crap. I'm through with you-all." Coldly, he unleashed another optical blast, catching Terri square in her right shoulder. She felt it grow numb instantly. The Phalanx moved with precision, taking aim and firing with deadly accuracy. Before long, most of the initial fighting force was momentarily stunned from Prime's firepower. The Administrator remained. "Well, my dear. We could do this little dance all night long, but I have more important things to do. So please do me the favor of surrendering to me. Your death will be relatively painless."
The Administrator sneered, emotion blossoming on her face. "That is irrelevant, Prime. I will not leave here until you are no longer operational. I will destroy you for the collective--"
"Yes, and I suppose resistance is futile, or something like that, hmm? Let me rephrase my request." In a motion that was almost too quick to follow with human eyes, Prime used two of his remaining tentacle appendages to snake out and grab Anton Sevarius and his son, Sevarius Jr. Both men tried to escape the serpentine clutches of the Phalanx commander, but his arms were far too powerful to break by themselves.
"New deal. You surrender, and submitt yourself to summary execution, or these two die now."
The Administrator glared at Prime, hate in her eyes.
"Yes, quite the dilemma, isn't it? Either damn these two to an early demise, or save the world. You lose either way; at least have the dignity to die honorably."
***END RP***

Just a quick RP message to Wilek and the others; do you think we could finish things up by Sunday (i.e. kill Prime?) It'd be cool to end things on the holiday, but I can understand if some of you want to take it a little longer. Thanks.

Geez, I think maybe we need to discontinue the whole racial thing. It started out harmless, but it's getting to the point where it could get ugly. We need to perhaps drop it.

But Jenna, I don't think it's fair, as Kaioto said, to just take the perspective of "you don't know how bad it is". Because, based upon the varied ethnic background of the individuals in this room, most of us CAN claim to know how bad it is. Coyote is but one example. Jewel is another. I personally haven't experienced it myself, but members of my family, such as my mother, can. Almost 100 percent of her heritage (and thus my heritage) is Native American; she has naturally tan skin. She's been mistaken for Latin, for Persian, for Iranian, even for Greek; it's led to a few cases of prejudice against her. We can all feel for you, and most of us can relate on some level.

And for what it's worth, Jenna, I will be praying for you. Financial difficulties are something I can relate to, although I've been blessed with the essentials in life (food, clothes, shelter). I'll be thinking of you and your family, and will be praying that things get better for you fast. :)

Birthdays!!! Okay, who wants a Birthday Spanking? **SJ pulls on a latex glove** Alright you birthday boys and girls, bend over!! **SJ ducks as the CR dwellers throw various objects at him** Ow! Okay, who threw the brick?! I get the point!
Anyway, add me to the calendar--I got a very important day coming up Nov. 15. I shall be a man, for real! My brother's promising a visit to one of D.C.'s finer strip clubs....I'm not joking about that. My brother's crazy enough to give JackaL a lesson or two ;)

Spacebabie: I love that Blink 182 video as well. But boy, they sure do like getting naked, don't they? That's a little creepy, IMO, but they do know how to make one entertaining video! ;)

Finally, for all you Dungeons and Dragons fans, click on my name to go to a sight giving info on the upcoming movie, as well as lots of pics!!!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, October 30, 1999 12:05:00 AM
IP: 207-172-35-62.s62.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

<WARNING! DC DEATH!>

Fire Storm walks into the CR carying something small in a blanket, making baby noises to it.

"Would you like to see my baby, Mr. DC?"

Mr. DC walks over to Fire Storm and looks at the bundle of joy. Suddenly, the bundle leaps from the blanket and wraps it's fingers around DC's head and tail around his neck.

"Aww... he likes you. Thats it, precious. Show him how much you love him!" Fire Storm says to his little bundle of xeno-morphic joy.

And THAT is for making me reset my connection with my ISP every few minutes!

<END DC DEATH!>

Pissy: Arianna: EWWWWW! You have gargoyles dating humans? I would NEVER write stuff like that! Oh, wait... Elisa and Goliath... Brooklyn... Angela... Lex... Ok, ok... <G>
(But I see your point about her. I just can't see her like that right now. Too young in TGS.)
(Thank you on an odd concept for a TGS fanfic. Not Ari and a human, but... well, wait until I write it! <VEG>)

Mandolin: <Is this coming out on video any time soon?>
Yes. VERY soon.

Jenna: You are in my prayers also

Warpmind: Happy brithday to you too!

Happy birthday LM! And I hope you enjoyed you turkey dinner and chocolate cake!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, October 29, 1999 11:18:03 PM
IP: t2-44.visitus.net

<>WARNING! BIRTHDAY PATROL! WARNING!<>

<Hunter Fire Storm and Bubba enter the CR from the woods, searching for their target.>
"Dern lot boys! She ain't here, Bubba!" HFS curses.
Bubba makes a few gestures to HFS, who listens with a look of deep concentration on his face.
"Hmm… yer right! Thanks." HFS exclaims as he pulls a magic stick of beef jerky out of his vest.
"Defler… er… Desecrate… uh… oh fergettit. LADY MYSTIC, GET YER BUTT IN HERE!" HFS yells as he waves his magic jerky, causing LM to appear in a ball of fire in a sitting position. Having no chair to support her, LM falls on her bottom.
"Wha…" LM looks around and sees the CR, then HFS. "Hunter Fire Storm! Why did you bring me here?" LM questions the mighty hunter.
"You know why yer here." HFS says as he pats his vest. LM sighs and stands.
"I guess I have this coming, don't I?"
"Yep." HFS says as he pulls Mr. Carter out of his vest and aims it at Lady Mystic. Just before he pulls the trigger, a wormhole appears between LM and HFS. Out from the wormhole steps Fire Storm, who is armed with his plasma rifle and has it aimed at HFS's head.
"WHY did you take her NOW? You KNEW we were just starting dinner, didn't you?" Fire Storm yells at the hunter. "Do you know how long it took me to cook dinner?"
"Well, it's my job!" HFS yells back.
"I KNOW! But couldn't it wait until AFTER dinner?"
"Nope."
"Well then… *I* get to pie her!"
"Now wait just a dern minute! That's MY job!"
"Well, she's MY fiancee!" Fire Storm says, crossing his arms.
"Well… I am the 'Birthday Pie Guy!'" HFS states proudly.
"Well, I am going to pie her!"
"So am I."
Both Fire Storm and HFS smile.
"On three, HFS?"
"Yep."
Fire Storm pulls out the Mr. Carter that HFS gave him for his birthday and aims it at Lady Mystic.
"WAIT!" LM yells as she tries to stop the two Fire Storms. "Don't I get a say in this?"
The two Fire Storms look at each other then turn to LM and say in unison. "No."
LM sighs and prepares to take her punishment.
"THREE!" both Fire Storms yell as they pull the triggers on the Mr. Carters. HFS fires a fresh strawberry pie at LM, while Fire Storm fires a triple-berry pie at LM, both pies covering her with berries. Mission accomplished, both Fire Storms put their Mr. Carters away.
"Well, enjoy yer dinners, K?" HFS says as he turns and walks back into the forest.
Bubba signs to LM.
"Aww… Thank you Bubba. That's so sweet!"
Bubba blushes, then turns and joins HFS.
"Shall we?" FS says as he offers his arm to LM. She takes his arm, then he opens a worm hole in the CR. Before walking through the wormhole, FS whispers something to LM.
"Mmmmmm! Maybe later!" LM says with a playfull smile on her face as they both walk through the worm hole.

HAPPY 21ST BRITHDAY LADY MYSTIC!
Hunter Fire Storm, Bubba and Fire Storm
Friday, October 29, 1999 10:48:05 PM
IP: t2-49.visitus.net

The causes of not learning English are complex. Some cultures don't believe an education will help you get ahead. That is part of the problem here in New Mexico with a high drop out rate. The parents don't encourage their children to stay in school because they see no sense in it. This sets up some extremely bright and talented young people to menial jobs because they lack the education to get ahead.

Other causes can be simply embarassement. It is quite humiliating to get up in front of anyone and know the words are not coming out correctly. This is esspecially true if you are older and don't read English. Manys the time someone's child has given the food order because their English is better.

You have to work through accents and slang and all the little things that no one really thinks about. When you grow up with a language you have some built in checks and balances.

Many of these people aren't lazy. They may not know of the resources available. No one tells them and not being able to read or a least read the local language they have no idea of anything available.

Another reason maybe getting something like a GED is hard. I've seen some of the requirements and all I can say is "Stay In School!!" My younger brother dropped out and he sweated getting his GED
so he could get his contractor's liscense.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Friday, October 29, 1999 09:58:29 PM
IP: proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net

Thanks everyone for there prayers and hugz- Mike and I cried and talked a long time about things. He told my brohter in law to pitch in and he did- it won't be much but at least it's something. My best hope is to endure simply before he finds a place of his own in the next two month-

Thanks again and love to you all
jenna
Friday, October 29, 1999 09:29:10 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-105.hstntx.swbell.net

*quick post*

Mandolin > yeah, It was quite amusing. especially with two of the muppets hitting on Joey Potter(Katie Holmes). and it is already out on video for rent and buy. it came out last tuesday.

well, gtg get some rest before my midnight shift at Blockbuster Video

*fades into thin air*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 29, 1999 09:12:20 PM
IP: host-216-76-150-2.bna.bellsouth.net

Quikie post.

Happy Birthday Warpy!

Sorrow:Mine is on the 3rd

Oh no I'm gonna be 23

"Nobody likes you when your 23
what the heck is caller ID, my friends tell me I should act my age. whats my age again"

I love Blink's new video making fun of all those Boy bands. Of course they look good in those boyband clothes. The look godd Nekkid to but thats my own rambling opinons.
Spacebabie - [spacebabie@hotmail.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, October 29, 1999 08:12:03 PM
IP: ts001d11.orl-fl.concentric.net

COYOTE> About the getting-pulled-over thing, in LA: It's possible. Although my provincial prejudice is that I think it'd be MORE likely in some other large cities than here, there are quite a lot of complaints by non-whites that they were pulled over, in essence, for what is sardonically referred to as "DWB" or "DWL," for Driving While Black / Latino.

Right now there's a major scandal wracking LAPD, and apparently rightly so, as the cause of it all was the admission by two cops that they shot and framed (including perjury in court) two Latino guys, in part out of ethnic distaste, or so it's been reported. Sad.
Pogo
Friday, October 29, 1999 08:10:36 PM
IP: fwnt.dorseylaw.com

OOpsie!! Of course, if I were driving through LA, I wouldn't be pulled over by the NYPD, it'd be the LAPD!!! My bad! So sorry!!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 29, 1999 08:03:24 PM
IP: modem85.i-is.com

**breathes heavily** Hoo boy ... ya'll know how to bring up a topic that'll fire up a guy ...

**WARNING, SOMEWHAT-RANT AND MAJOR LEAGUE OPINION AHEAD!!**

The conversation which started with Ebonics and English variant dialects has now strayed to the topic of prejudice against Hispanics. This is a topic that I hold very close, as I am half Mexican by my father (who incidentally is a natural born citizen of the United States, from the fine city of Denver, Colorado).

Now while my mannerisms and speech patterns are definitely that of a Caucasian, I can't help to think that it might've been different had my father raised me rather than my mother. Even spending a month with him in Denver after graduating from high school, I noticed my mannerisms and speech patterns changing to reflect my Hispanic family I was living with.
Now I can't help but wonder what would happen to me if I drove my Caddy down a Los Angeles street ... would I be pulled over by NYPD and suspected of being a gangsta'? Would I be accused of falsifying an ID when I show them my Michigan driver's license? Would I get deported?

While those might be idle worries, as I'm never planning on taking my car through Los Angeles (hell, a Michigan emission in 1979 would get me thrown in the slammer in 1999 California!), it still worries me that should some extremist idiot like Pat Buchanan or ... even worse ... David Duke ever *blunder* their way into the White House, I might wind up getting thrown on my ass on a plane headed for some banana republic in the middle of nowhere that I *barely* know the language of ... just because my last name is "Martinez." God *FORBID* that some *immigrant* like little ol' me, the guy who up until about four years ago held a dual citizenship (the other country wasn't Mexico, it was Japan), leeching off of the good, white, Anglo-Saxon, God-fearing, xenophobic citizens of these great United States of Aryan America!! (note *dripping sarcasm* here)

**composes self**

Sorry. But I weep for my country if one of those Klansman-wannabes ever gets into a position of power. I also weep for mi raza if they do, as well, for how long behind the deportations would genocide be?
**END MAJOR LEAGUE OPINION!!**

Jenna: **hugs** I feel for you, chica, really, on both accounts.

Kaioto: I do agree that English should be standard across the board. However, before a lot of effort goes into trying to teach immigrants English as their second language, maybe we should start making sure that the folks within the country know how to speak the language ... know how to *read* the language, too. (Seriously ... had this one guy come into the store ... at least 36 years old and he was friggin' illiterate! And this wasn't an immigrant, either ... this was some redneck from up the road.)

Warpmind: Happy B-day! WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!! **moving crew moves in another Execution cake, hands Warp a remote** Pick yer flavor. :)

Ironwolf, re: rolling R's: One reason why my Spanish is sketchy at best is because ... believe it or not ... due to an anchored tongue, it is *physically impossible* for me to roll an R. As far as other things with the tongue go, though ...

**WAP!!**

Sorry, I'll move on!! In fact, then I'll end this post!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 29, 1999 08:01:08 PM
IP: modem85.i-is.com

Wilek> thank you *smiles* My guardian angel was indeed working overtime that day... there was one fatality and a few others seriously injured. I recommend everyone to learn basic CPR/1st Aid! I always thought I would forget what to do - but it's amazing how one's mind snaps into gear when the need arises.

Jenna> I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. *hugs* What are the chances of kicking your brother in law out?

Sorrow> *giggles* *high fives* yeppers! the 18th was a mighty fine day, huh? ;) How old will I be, you ask.. hummm.. older than you.. *winks*

Toku> *applauds* well said :) I do know that there are free public services for non-speaking english people to attend to learn english. My friend volunteers at one such place. It doesn't matter what language you speak to attend either. Schools have the ESL classes now for the children. I can only begin to imagine how difficult it would be to come to a foreign country and have to learn a new language, customs, etc. I'm foreign language-retarded.. heh, ask Denis! *L* I keep trying to explain to him that speaking french with a thick southern accent just doesn't cut it. But he's very patient and continues giving me short french lessons :)
Anyway, while I certainly understand the plight of the immigrant and admire their desire for a better life, learning the language should be included in their plans, even if it's the most basic of conversation. And as I stated earlier, english classes are available (evening classes at least) Personally, I would want to make every effort to learn the basic language if I were to move to a foreign country. I really do sympathize for those who do not speak english here. I would be terrified! But, assistance is available - they just have to make the initiative to take advantage of it.
Jannie
Friday, October 29, 1999 05:43:55 PM
IP: 168.171.197.67

My prayers are always with my friends, but I shall keep you especially in mind, Jenna. *hugs*
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, October 29, 1999 04:27:07 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Jannie> AACK! We have the same birthday! *hugs* May I ask how old you are going to be? I'll be 17.

Birthday List:
5th - Jessie
16th - ironwolf
17th - Pissy
18th - SOROW & Jannie
30th - Lexy
? - jenna (What is your date?)

Anyone else???????

Spike> Oh, don't worry about it. Looking in the mailbox every afternoon was always the highlight of my day cause I knew it was coming sooner or later :)

Warp> I *do* have a little free time before the game so I'll say it again... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
SOROW
Friday, October 29, 1999 04:10:09 PM
IP: dll2b202-45.splitrock.net

Jenna, we are pretty much all friends here and you need to get it off your chest. I, too, am praying for you. ALl the best.
Stormy
Friday, October 29, 1999 04:04:26 PM
IP: pc20.huron.uwo.ca

jenna> It will be OK. I'm praying for you. I wish there was more I could say or do. If it were in my power, I'd take all the pain everyone else had to suffer into myself. I'll take as much of yours as you want to give me if you think talking to me would help.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, October 29, 1999 03:48:22 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Well, what happened..got payed today.that would normally be a good thing. except that after rent, and bare necessities, well have twenty buck to live on--for three people for two weeks. I suppose we can do it, wev'e gone on less. But it is hard, very hard, and I was shook up. Mike is ready to drop out of school (this is why so many people don't finish) to work. His school is so intense that it's hard for him to finish a project and work part time. My brother in law contributes nothing. He's lived with us for three months, and has started working. He's worked quite a bit, and he brings home 25o a week and so far he as only saved one weeks salory to get his own place. I think he's drinking the rest. And if we ask him to get a bag of chicken he acts like an absolute ass about it-- like how dare we ask.. and you all know about when he yells at us when he's drunk. He was supposed to be saving his money so he can get a place of his own- but frankly it feels like were going to have bear with him forever. Think I'm gonna have to go on foodstamps or something- I get my medicine I need through public assitance, and I tell you if you want to be treated like absoulute pig filth, go to public assistance. god, poverty hurts, more than can ever be said. I suppose that is why I had such a kneejerk reaction to what you said, Kioto, because I'm living it now- god I don't know what else to say, except pray for us. We need it.Hope this wasn't too personal for some..
jenna
Friday, October 29, 1999 03:18:30 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hello from Bryn Mawr! I can't say much, since I';m about to go visit a prof before she heads out for the day. I just wanted to say that if any of you have been to my website and seen my drawings, I just added some more--three of Kamiko, one of Gabe, and one of a character from a non-fanfic story that just came out so well I wanted to show it off. Just click on my name to see them. =) Here's the URL:
http://bartik.brynmawr.edu/~jfaulkne/ficimage.html

Oh, and while spekaing of fanfic, I'm hard at work on the next section of "Goetterdaemmerung," and it look slike it's gonna break 50 pages, easy, and I might have to fight to keep it under 75. Gues it's making up for how short Dies Irae was...
jewel
Friday, October 29, 1999 03:13:26 PM
IP: macimage.brynmawr.edu

Hi everybody

Have you ever noticed that it's really hard to convey that forlorn aura you give off when you're really depressed, but trying to sound happy in a text only format?

Maybe I should stop track looping my Sarah McLachlan cd's for eight hours a day.

Several of you have been having problems, and I've been too busy/self absorbed to say much about them. You've been in my prayers, if not in my comments.

Anyway, the LARP is tomorrow. God, I'm nervous. It's like being the director of a play with all the responsibility and none of the power. It'll be fun though (I hope)

In other news (as if my weekend wasn't stressful enough) the guys who want me to be thier designer for a video game are getting together for breakfast Saturday morning. Obviously, I can't stay for the whole meeting, but I do want to go talk to them for a few minutes.

I've also been talking to Christine about doing a serial for Sabledrake. That sounds like fun. I intend to recycle some ideas I used in my first (not terribly good) novel. I hope I do better with them this time. :)

Now, back to the dating/love subject. This is not my long rant on the true meaning of love (which I don't know myself - I was going to ramble on about my ideas and see if anyone else had any better answers). This is an exerpt from a story I wrote about two years ago. The characters are Jim (a player on the high school basketball team) and Tina (the girl he's attracted to, but who has sufficient emotional issues not to be attracted to him). I never really intended to write this. The story started out as a description of Tina from Jim's point of view, because I thought that would be more interesting than just a flat description.

I thought you folks might like it.

This scene is where he finally works up enough courage to ask her out:

...So for a minute we're alone.

The lump in my throat feels like a watermelon. "Uh... Tina...I kinda wanted to ask you something, sort of." I keep going while I can, cause if I stop now, I'll never get another chance. "Do you maybe want to go out with me some time? The Drama Club has this dance coming up, and I thought maybe we could..."

She's sitting on the couch just across from me. Actually, I sat down on the couch to be across from her. Anyway, she's all curled up on herself and she leans forward on her knees. She puts a finger to my lips, and her touch is so light that I could be imagining it. I don't think I've ever seen her touch anybody on purpose before tonight, not even to shake hands.

And she says, "Jim, shhh."

I stop talking, which is good, cause I'm pretty sure I was about to say something stupid.

"God, this is rough." she says. "Jim. I don't want to go out with you..."

I knew that's what she was going to say, but knowing didn't make it any better.

And she's still talking. "I don't want to go out with anybody. Not right now...ya know?"

So I have to say, "Yeah, I understand. No big deal." What else am I gonna do? Tell her she's a bitch? If I thought that, I wouldn't want to date her.

"It's not you, not at all. You have to understand that. My life...right now..." I can tell that it hurts her, and that she's trying to make me feel better, but that just makes it worse.

It would be easier to hate her, to say something to make her hate me, but I say, "Yeah, OK, but we'll still see each other in class, right? And maybe we can go out to a movie or something some time, just as friends."

She says, "Yeah, maybe." and looks down at her lap. She leaves out, "And maybe a giant meteor will smack into Jersey tomorrow."

Then Mr. Barrows comes out with his coat and keys, and we head out.

Before we're out the door, Tina says, real soft, "Jim?" and I look back at her. "I'll see you tomorrow."
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, October 29, 1999 02:22:57 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Jenna: *hugs* Don't worry about it. Do what you have to do. A little geo-political speculation on a comment board doesn't mean much. Make sure everything and everybody you care about is taken care of first. We care about you here, and want you to be well first and foremost.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, October 29, 1999 01:40:25 PM
IP: 141.133.117.253

Kioto- would respond to you , but something just happened here. i'm shaking and can hardly write, let alone think-- later..
jenna
Friday, October 29, 1999 01:27:09 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Jenna:

<<People who sermonzie like this, pardon me, really have no idea of how difficult the plight of [M]mexican immigrants is. They have no idea. I had no idea. I know different now.>>

I know you didn’t want me too, but hell, when I see somebody giving a rolling sermon about how people who don’t know their talking about and shouldn’t talk - in response to my post - I’m a might bit inclined to be offended.

The only people in my family who’ve been in this damn country for more than 5 generations were Native Americans! The only side of my family who’ve been here for 5 generations are Swedish Homesteaders who set up a farm in Iowa. Everyone else in my family leaves me at best third to fourth generation immigrant. My grandfather grew up on a farm during the Great Depression. He joined the Navy and learned electronics and carpentry and worked in them until he retired. My grandmother worked the Navy yards in Boston during WWII. Her son (my father) worked three jobs to put himself through college and support his wife and child. He may be a small business manager and computer programmer now, but he started out as a janitor, a security guard, and a worker in a quarry. I may have been a lot more in the way of fortune in my childhood, but I’m still working my way through college.

I may be able to enjoy a life outside of poverty, but I sure as hell have never looked into my father of my grand father’s face without remembering the sacrifices that it took to get my family to where it is. I’ll never forget my roots, I don’t ignore poverty and prejudices, I’m no smarmy little yuppie ingrate. Don’t treat me as such. Don’t condescend to me as such. We are discussing issues and policies, not talking about how so-and-so such people are. Don’t dismiss someone’s ideas by trying to dismiss their right to hold an opinion. Don’t try to win a debate by saying that your opponent is ignorant and no one should listen to him or her. Don’t make a discussion or an argument into a fight by resorting to defamation of character.

<<If only it were that easy. Learning [E]english is something that a not a lot of immigrants are taught, and if you have the choice between feeding your family and going to school- what would you choose? … the bottem line- taking lessons in [E]english takes money, which a lot of people just don't have.>>

Now I made it VERY clear that I believe that every possible accommodation within reason should be made to make education in English available. That means making accommodation for the fact that people have to work, and raise families, etc. That means having bilingual instructors. Also, if there is money somewhere for all these proposals I keep seeing for bilingual this and bilingual that, there should be enough money for Publicly Funded English education, shouldn’t there? How about we spend our tax dollars ~ solving ~ a problem, as opposed to making feel-good programs and half-assed solutions? Alas, that is not a function our elected government seems equal too *mutters* bureaucrats.

<<People who sermonzie like this, pardon me, really have no idea of how difficult the plight of [M]mexican immigrants is. They have no idea. I had no idea. I know different now.>>

I’ve never mentioned anything about Mexicans. Actually, my best friend at work, Henry, is from Ecuador. The last time someone who wasn’t his close friend called him a Mexican, Henry had words with the man. : ) Mexico is one nation in the huge and rich cultural treasure that is Latin-America. Yes, there are a lot of immigrants and migrant workers traveling to southern states from our neighbor to the South, but not every Latino is a Mexican, and Mexicans are not the only ones suffering.

Ultimately, it is the Exploitation of the immigrant which makes everything else so damn difficult, like learning English. Hand in hand should go the effort towards eliminating exploitation and making the common language accessible and mandatory.

Exploitation and neglect of the poor is a problem that most people try to solve by throwing money at it. The truth is that all we wind up doing are building more inefficient, and unhelpful institutions and bureaucracies. We need to move to more effective and localized supervision to provide quality services to eliminate the exploitation of those who are left vulnerable in our country. This means not only immigrants, but children (just look at the mess we have from Department of Social Services), battered women (DOVE shelters and such are a noble cause), disabled Veterans, and many, many more who go forgotten in our nation. I think we should take a good long look at fixing and localizing these failing government systems.

Being an immigrant is hard, but there are consequences to every action. I just don’t think that Xenophobia and exploitation should be part of those consequences. I do think that learning the language should be.

The simple fact is that an understanding of English is vital to being a full citizen of this country. If you are drafted, do you expect to be getting bilingual orders at the front? We don’t segregate our fighting men, so there will be no Spanish-speaking or Italian-speaking units sent into the field. The laws of this country are in English, and our legal system is messed up enough without going multilingual.

That is another thing that irks me about the politicians who advocate bilingual this and bilingual that, how fair is making everything subtitled in Spanish to the Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Chinese immigrants in this country, huh? If we make accommodations for one ethnic group, we must make them for everyone. This is why we need to make sure that EVERYONE has free and Opportune access to learning the English language.

What I mean by the above exercise in essay is to present the point that English can not be perceived or treated as a luxury or an option, it is an inevitable Necessity to the continuation of this nation. That applies to the politicians who should be funding these programs as well as the people who should be in them. Without an enforced, common language, we can not function properly as a nation. One day, all these little pockets of language and ethnocentric culture will be called on to work together or die, and when everyone starts realizing that no one understands what anyone else is saying, we are going to perish.

Jenna: I do here you. I do sympathize and even understand (believe it or not). I simply see that the solution to this problem involves enforcing a common language effectively and accommodatingly. The solution also involves treating ALL people with human dignity, respect, and equality. It involves fighting exploitation and poverty. It involves caring, and it involves changing the status quo. To put it simply: We should be making every accommodation to make English a most accessible language to learn in our country, but we WILL be required to learn it. The trick here, is making sure the system that actualizes this is a good system, a system that is so effective that the mandatory nature of enforcement is all but forgotten. The enforcement of English shouldn’t be some silly mandate with no thought or accommodation attached to it. Too much of what the government does is not thought through. You ARE right, many people look at the problem and dismiss it with a "Why don’t they learn the language?" I’m not one of them. The solution is not easy, or as you say "simplistic"… few things worth doing ever are.

Spike: That was a wonderful picture btw.

Wilek: Thanks for your well-wishes.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, October 29, 1999 12:56:47 PM
IP: 141.133.117.253

Had an okay day yesterday. Picked up a copy of the Poison Elves TPB #5 (Rapidly becoming one of my all time fave comics), and I frightened a security guard. (Post-Littleton trenchcoat effect)

Pistoff> Your Dasher and my nova must be related. It's back at the shop, but I think they just adjusted the timing wrong so I *hope* this'll be quick.

Robby> I loved ANTZ. I actually refused to go see A bug's life, even if Kevin Spacey was in it. Not sure what prompted the comment.

Warpmind> Toadie was the midget ogre who was nominally the bad guy's second in command. Actually, he was more of a gopher, and the other, full sized ogres used to do all kinds of mean things to him, like using him as a yoyo.

Jenna> Thanks for the hugs.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, October 29, 1999 12:42:43 PM
IP: ppp-210.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

6 days til "Jane Eyre" opens... and everyone wants to hurt our asst. director...

Ugh, I've been away too long. But Hell Week approaches here; we did the first full run-through last night, and it took us four hours. FOUR HOURS. I think the only people who really have their lines down are me, the girl who plays Jane, and my friend who's playing Miss Scatcherd, Grace Poole, and Lady Ingram. Worse, that friend hurt herself last night because she had to go down the back steps and they didn't turn the work lights on. The director said she didn't have to take the steps yet, but the assistant director screeched at her to get her ass down. She nearly fell off the platform. I'm walking her down to the Health Center to get her knee checked out today; she's all but threatening to quit. *sigh*

TV cancellations and pickups> Never saw "Ryan Caulfield," although Dave got me to watch "Harsh Realm," and I'm sorry to see that one die so soon. On the up-side, they did order a full season of "Now and Again," one of my faves. Can't wait to see the Nov. 12th ep of that - the daughter gets struck by lightning. What the networks will do during sweeps...

SJ> <<Apperently, Todd McFarlane Toys is going to produce
an "Ash" figure for his next series of Movie Maniacs.>> REALLY??? Ooh, if I could only keep this from Dave... that would be a great Christmas present.

BtVS> I'm still steaming that I missed the BtVS Halloween ep (Giles with a chainsaw, that says it all!) but my VCR should be hooked up next week again.

"Letters to Jenny"> This compilation is what started me reading Anthony's stuff.

Warpmind> Happy belated birthday!

Fanfic progress> "New Blood", my BtVS fic, is now my longest fic ever - and the end is in sight. I posted part 18 to the Buffy creative NG this week, and all that's left is the epilogue. After that, I'm taking a month hiatus from independent fanfic to devote my time to TGS. I'm amazed certain co-writers haven't strangled me for my slow ep progress.

Whoever mentioned "Oscar"> Yes! Yes! I saw that too! A friend made us watch it, and I was laughing my head off!

Dags re: Muppets From Space> <<did anyone else notice that Joshua Jackson and Katie Holmes are in this film?>> *snerk* Yes, I did, and although I despise Dawson's Creek, I found their appearance quite amusing. It was brief, too. :) Is this coming out on video any time soon?

SOROW> You've heard it from everyone else, but congrats on the new job!

Fabio> Okay, *I* don't fall into the category of women who want a Fabio lookalike AT ALL. Yuck.

Buffy and Angel> Missed both of those this week, and I'm so mad at myself - Giles with a chainsaw just says it all! :)

Llewwellyn Gaelfire> **sighs and adds "Cross my Heart" to the list of fanfics she still has to read**

Fan feedback> I've been so behind in reading fanfics, much less sending feedback... *sigh*

Christine> Might have an AvMists submission for ya... depends on if I survive the weekend.

Gargs 5th Anniversary> Came home from school, turned the TV on for an hour, halfway into it "Awakenings Part One" started. Been a fan since the beginning. :)

I have an hour til Brit Lit... eep, I'd better get moving for the flu immunizations. Later, all.
Mandolin
Friday, October 29, 1999 11:47:53 AM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Wilek- Maybe if we introduce that gal to you AT-AT --that would be --too cool! :P ^_^

ironwolf- yeah, I know what your saying-- I've felt prejudice on both sides. Still hurts no matter where you come from

Warp-- hang in there, man. I hear you -- Hugz

Aaron-- HugZ for you too!! Hope that helped.

Pistoff- thanks ^_^ yeah, I got teary eyed writing that.

and at last, Kioto-- If only it were that easy. Learning english is something that a not a lot of immigrants are taught, and if you have the choice between feeding your family and going to school- what would you choose? You make it sound, forgive me, very simplistic. If you really want to see the plight of hispanics in America I suggest renting the movie "Mi familia" or "MY FAMILY". That sheds a little light on how difficult it is. Take particular notice of when the mom is picked up and sent back to mexico--Even though she is an AMERICAN CITIZEN.

All this talk of "why don't they just learn it" sounds so simplistic to my ears. People who sermonzie like this, pardon me, really have no idea of how difficult the plight of mexican immigrants is. They have no idea. I had no idea. I know different now.

And learning another language when you are an adult is 100 times more difficult than as a child. And again, the bottem line- taking lessons in english takes money, which a lot of people just don't have. And if you don't have it, you don't have it.

Another awesome movie about this topic is called "the city" or "la citidad" in theatres now. Go see it. In it there is a story of a father who lives in his car with his daughter. He wants to send her to school, but as they have no fixed address, she can't go. Someone tells him, why don't they just go to a shelter. He says he is afraid of the girl getting sick. I think everyone who talks like the guy that is so conviently giving this man "advise" should go check themselves into a shelter for three weeks, where you can get mugged, raped, or at the very least sick. Maybe then they won't be so preachy.

And think about it- would you want to live in a car, where at least you could lock the door; or in a shelter?

So many times, hispanics and the poor in general are blamed for there own problems by those who have never known real want. Like want for a home, want for enough food, want for education and you are denied it. How easy it is for people to sit at home in there comfortable homes and talk like this-- my answer- spend one year in their lives, sweating like a dog for less than minimum wage-- the come back and tell me they are at fault--

man this turned into a long rant!

Don't take personal offense Kioto.
jenna
Friday, October 29, 1999 10:07:52 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Warpmind>> Happy Birthday!!! And yes, if the Redwood clan had survived, there probably would have never been an Avery. There might have been a female gargoyle not unlike Harley, however....

Pistoff>> Would you mind terribly if I add your Art Gallery as a link on my Private Collections page? It's where I direct people to various commission pieces I've done. I would appreciate it, thanks.
Spike
Friday, October 29, 1999 09:28:47 AM
IP: ppp14-31.ght.iadfw.net

**RP!**

[Prime stalks towards the Administrator. "You shouldn't have to have others fight your battles for you, my dear," he taunts. "This has always really been just between you and me." Administrator: "You forget, Prime...I *am* the Borg." With that, two huge drones, ten feet tall with four arms, stalk into the chamber, the heavy combat drones the Administrator summoned. They deploy the antimatter streamer cannons and fire them at the Phalanx Prime, the eight flares of destructive antimatter wearing away at Prime's shielding. Prime knocks them over with another seismic wave and disables them with a directed electromagnetic pulse. Prime: "That was *most* unwise..."]

**END RP!**

I notice with concern that my attendance here has been slightly more erratic than usual of late. Hm...wonder what it would take to bring about the end of RL...

Scott Iskow> <<What, you can't appreciate the attributes of more than one console? ;)>> :P Sure I can. :) In fact, ever since Sony shot themselves in the foot with that hideous Playstation II, I've been taking a second look at Sega's Dreamcast. I used to have the same respect for Sega as a pigeon has for a sleeping gargoyle, but it's starting to look like they've learned from their many, many mistakes...<<Playstation is the first NON-Nintendo product I've ever owned. So far, it's also the only one.>> You too? :) I'm the exact same way, if one doesn't count the Atari 2600 gathering dust on a shelf somewhere. <<See what happens when you don't insult everyone equally? ;)>> Hehehe...Just to cover my own tail here, YOU ARE ALL SPOONY BARDS! :P

Warpmind> <<Ignore Blomkvist. That was a d*ckhead here trying to impersonate me. He has no realistic intelligence, and the lowest form of humor known to man. In other words, he's just trying to annoy me. I noticed you spotted my warning about him, but I warn you again: HE IS NOT A REAL CR DWELLER! He popped in, using MY surname as a signature. If he pops in again, I shall hunt him down in RL. And by the way, he is NOT called Blomkvist, in any case. And pardon me for ranting like this.>> Ah. <sound of gears turning> Joyride time! :D <<I am a five-foot-ten (or so) dark-haired student named Marius>> Marius Blomkvist? Intensely kewl name. :) Oh, and if I haven't already said it, happy birthday! :D

Jenna> <<this gal in this jag who was in front of me backs up, and backs up, and backs up and is way to close and before I can find the horn, bumps me. Well, luckly there wasn't any damage to my car, or hers and given the number of cons out there I didn't give any of my info for this little bump. But what made me really mad is that then she asks if I can back up so she can get in her spot going to the bank.>> What...?! <grr> <hehehe> Why don't we introduce her Jag to my AT-AT. STOMP!!! :D

Green Baron> <<I hope that didn't violate CR decency standards>> Actually, I think it was PG-13. :)

Ironwolf> <<his fiancée is another story. I love her to death she is sweet nice witty the happy homemaker type who is studying to be a nurse. I always thought of her as sweet as apple pie… until….his parents pulled that at the funeral and some more stuff two days latter. She pulled out a truck load of canned whuppa$$ and laid in to his parents. It was the most horrible frightening verbal tongue lashing I had ever seen in my life… I loved it!>> HEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHA! <applauds> <<I know I ask a lot but…. I need the room’s prayers and well thoughts. I just got back form the hospital my best friend who is only 28 …..He had a heart attack. Me and his roommate rushed him to the hospital and after 4 hours he is stable and in ICU.>> Oh no! Sincerest hopes for his recovery. :(

Jannie> <<Was in a near miss accident on I45 a couple of summers ago. A tire blew in a vehicle 2 up in front of me (we were once again going around 80-85 mph)... slamming brakes and I drove quite a distance in the median - thank goodness it was grass! It ended up being quite a pile up before everyone was stopped.>> ACK! I'm glad you weren't hurt!

Pistoff> <<Seems that Coca-Cola is wanting to build vending machines that automatically raise their prices during hot weather.>> What...?! <GRR> I don't even know where to START on how low that is!!! <<Thanks for the htmlgoodies site, and for the compliments on the Rant Page. 8D Wow...framed and placed in schools.>> Yer quite welcome, lad. :) Heh...one reason I was so enthusiastic in my support of 'Jock Itch' (besides the simple fact that it's extremely well-written and makes several excellent points) is the fact that a friend of mine went to several schools that are quite guilty of a lot of the things you mentioned. Awful places, darn near sent him off the deep end. Fortunately, he's managed to escape--er, graduate--and one of the schools has since collapsed in on itself in a fit of poetic justice. Hehehe. <<one of my ex-bosses used to waste labor by bringing in a second driver during the day shift so she could go out in her truck and sleep! While still on the clock!!!! She'd put me in charge, even though I wasn't technically a shift manager, hadn't taken any of the training courses and tests, wasn't certified as a shift manager...and she'd leave me in charge and go sleep in her truck withoug clocking out.>> Eh? >:( To say that that stinks is to understate the situation. <sigh> Such...such...ugh, there are no words...<<Remember when he bellowed, "For god's sake, let the bear masturbate!" ? LOL!>> Heh...I don't want to know, do I. :P <<I learned computers on a Commodore 64, too. Like an idiot, I talked my parents into buying one because that's the only one I knew how to use, because that was the best the school could do.>> Heh...a public school near me only has Apple II-E computers. Ack...<<YOU ARE ALL DISEASED!! Relax, I'm only kidding. ;)>> Hee hee hee. Psychologically, you're not that far wrong. <G> <tries his fanart page link> Um...Pis? Did you double check your site's URL at that last name link? Because I tried backtracking to your main page, and...it's not there... o_o'

Spike> EXTREMELY kewl pic! :D

Skippy> She almost sued you...for what? <sigh> I've heard civil litigation in this country described as parasitic, surreal, and predatory; now I have proof...

Pogo> <<Is this a totemistic convention of, first, personifying (as Mr. DC) the frustration of being disconnected ... and second, kicking the **** out of "him"? :)>> Something like that, I think.

Jewel> Fat Guys Kick Ass> Wow. Almost made me want to gain a few pounds. :P

Kaioto> <<It looks like I may have Lexy-chan back online soon. :)>> That's great! :D I'm glad that's getting cleared up. ^_^

SJ> <<I went to a baseball game a couple of weeks ago. I swear, they must have had every drunk for 100 miles around in that stadium that night....>> Hm....then a single dimension shifter bomb would take care of the entire matter...<<Apperently, Todd McFarlane Toys is going to produce an "Ash" figure for his next series of Movie Maniacs.>> YES! HAHA! That will be SO kewl! :D (Now, if he'll hurry up with that Pinhead figure...)
Wilek Nereus
Friday, October 29, 1999 08:42:11 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Hi all!!

Oh boy am I glad this week is over,it's getting close to christmas so things are getting busy at work.

Spike:Great pic!

Pistoff:<<I was watching CNN this morning, and gathered some more material for my Rant Page. Seems that Coca-Cola is wanting to build vending machines that automatically raise their prices during hot weather. Grrr! Money-grubbing scumf--ks! What depth will they sink to next?>>Oh I'd say about twenty thousand feet below sea level...*watches grinning as a screaming Coca Cola exec with cement boots is thrown into the ocean*,One less name on the Joyride list>:)

Pistoff again:<<And that was a great stupid-customer story. It makes me wonder how people like that can even function. People who are so damned stupid should be placed in a special care center and fed apple sauce....>>True,I still can't belive the guy had the balls to tell me to get him twenty boxes of soft drink right in the middle of a delivery(but then again,cr@p like this is just a regular part of the day for me)

Robby:<<The new season of Dark Ages starts next week.>>WOOHHOOO!!!!:)

Warpmind:Happy Birthday fellow Joyrider!

Ironwolf:<<I know I ask a lot but…. I need the room’s prayers and well thoughts. I just got back form the hospital my best friend who is only 28 …..He had a heart attack. Me and his roommate rushed him to the hospital and after 4 hours he is stable and in ICU. I wonder if I am bad luck first one friend looses his grandfather and now my best friend nearly his life.>>I wish him a speedy recovery.

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Friday, October 29, 1999 07:32:38 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

*Warpmind walks merrily into the CR, carrying a GIGANTIC birthday cake. He trips on the threshold and falls face down into the cake. "Mmmmph, mmmph mmph." Crawling to his knees, he removes his glasses and looks down at the havic. "Figures."*

Okay, guys, checking in on my 20th birthday.

Aaron: A midget ogre from Gummi Bears? Well, truthfully... I constantly praise all available deities that I cannot recall much from those series... the choice of voice actors in the dubbing was TERRIBLE!

Jenna: I still haven't found anything new... but it seems I have legally two more months stay... but living in a pile of sawdust does not tempt much... new owners have started fixing up the place already. I'd just wish they would at least keep the kitchen doors in place first...

Doug: You've received no criticism either? Hmmm... okay, if I read your fics and you read mine, should we criticize each other? ;) Actually, I agree. I want some constructive criticism... I don't always spot all inconcistencies myself.

Spike: Nice pic... um, kind of... different from what one might expect from Spike, after reading your fics... *gasps* Hey, if the Redwood Clan survived... that would mean... no Avery? *Sobs loudly*

Pissy: Nice thoughts about the English language... "Can I acks you a question" indeed...

Robby: The new Dark Ages start next week? Aw, man! More HTML ripping work to do... and I still have most of Timedancer plus ALL of TGS Gargoyles to cleanse...

SOROW: Thanks for congratulating me. *Rubs butt gingerly.* It was a... new variety of congratulation, let me tell you.

Toku: I agree. Bilinguality is a great thing. Of course, I am in a rather peculiar situation thatwise, myself. I am told I speak Oxford English, which should be able to make me understood worldwide. Now, that being the case, what the heck use can I have for my native tongue, Norwegian...?

Jessie: Sorry to hear about the broken water heater...

*Warpmind lights up a cigar and puffs slowly, good-naturedly. He then fishes up a cell phone and presses the speed dial combination. "Yo, Doc? Look, I'm in kind of a tight spot for a Halloween Party tonight, you wouldn't... you're out... oh, the last batch was destroyed when Goliath wrecked the Gen-U-Tech labs? Well, sorry I disturbed ya, you get back to... whatever you were messing with." Warpmind slams the cellphone shut and walks out of the CR, pondering a costume.*

Well, catch y'all later, ok?
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, October 29, 1999 03:45:37 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hey, everyone.

Well, I've had a bad couple of days...on Tuesday morn, I woke up for class, jumped out of bed, and realized that my hall carpet was soaking wet. Yes, my hot water heater has burst. Grrr...Amazingly, I was able to rescue most of my stuff, so it's not as bad as it might have been. The plumber finally came and installed a new one yesterday, but my house smells all nasty now. I've got fans running nonstop to dry it out.

November birthdays > Hey, mine's on the 5th :)

Tarot cards > I don't know that I will be selling any of the sets; depends on a number of factors. They won't be done for a while yet anyway.

Ur, dang. I know I had more things to say, but for the life of me, I can't remember them right now. Oh, well...
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 29, 1999 03:36:56 AM
IP: ctrts1-2.mrs.umn.edu

****RP!!!****
"Is it ever?" Jaden hears Shauna say. "Oh believe me Shauna, the real hard times are just beginning." he thinks with a smile. Suddenly one of the tentacles knocks Jaden out the room and into a wall. An axe flies through the room and takes a chunk out of one of the tentacles. Jaden then reenters the room hunched over like an old man. "Oh yes that hurt." he says then forces himself to stand straight and arch is back, he hears his back make a very odd sound and his muscles freeze which causes him to fall face-first on the floor. Starting to get up he says, "Geez that sucked in so many ways." Shephanie yells to Doug, "First it's a talking chihuahua and now it's a tentacled monster, what could possibly be next?"
****END RP!!!****

Hey everyone, how's life?

Doug-<Time between classes> Ah you to suffer from that. I've got about three hours between two of mine and if I can't find something productive to do I go crazy. I'd almost wish I could have classes back to back but then I would probably get bored and fall asleep.

Pistoff-A refund, oh yes I can get some of the money refunded, but it's like dealing with the IRS. You have to do and wait for a bunch of different things before you even see a dime.

Christine-I hope Becca gets better soon.

Well that all for now.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Friday, October 29, 1999 02:46:17 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Jenna> Being white can bring racism against you too. Many ethnic groups see White people as stupid and lazy too. Why bring this up? Well mom was a white southern bell and dad a full blooded Latino from Texas. Me I came out almost Vampire white with reddish brown hair and eyes. I just wanted to say bigotry works in both directions. O btw don’t try and force a separate language on the kids I didn’t like when my dad forced me to speak Spanish (it didn’t help that I had a speech problem and it took forever to train my tongue to roll those R’s. of course all that tongue training paid off in other areas :o) )

Gawd coming here just makes me feel better. I know I ask a lot but…. I need the room’s prayers and well thoughts. I just got back form the hospital my best friend who is only 28 …..He had a heart attack. Me and his roommate rushed him to the hospital and after 4 hours he is stable and in ICU. I wonder if I am bad luck first one friend looses his grandfather and now my best friend nearly his life.

Sorry I am a little shook up back to normal cr stuff

SOROW November 16 is the day the docs pulled me out so count me in

I am not even going to profread this night yall
ironwolf
Friday, October 29, 1999 02:35:31 AM
IP: host-209-215-8-219.cha.bellsouth.net

Fire Storm: Crap! That link doesn't work. Try this one...
Pissy
Friday, October 29, 1999 02:14:05 AM
IP: wire-22.koalas.com

Christine: Sorry Becca's been sick. :( Glad to hear she's better now. I hope she keeps improving. :)

Skippy: You became a substitute teacher...after you dropped out of high school? Irony can be so ironic. ;) Glad you took no crap, though. Bravo! To hell with the kid's trailer trash mother. That never would've happened if she'd taught the kid how to behave in the first place.

Robby: I can empathize about not having any time. Glad your mentorship is going so well. :)

Dags: Thanks, glad you enjoyed 'em. :D Interesting work hours, too. My schedule the last couple of weeks was almost as screwed-up... :P

Scott: <<See what happens when you don't insult everyone equally? ;)>> Good point. From now on, I'll make general, blanket insults. To balance things out... *cups hands around mouth and yells* YOU ARE ALL DISEASED!!

Relax, I'm only kidding. ;)

Fire Storm: <Zath's Arianna picture> I'll put the link to my art gallery on my name. The last two pics on the page are by Zath--one is Ari and the other is Ari and her boyfriend Clyde. (The lucky bastard--Clyde gets some every night... *g*)

Jewel: Okay, seems we had a communications misfire. I went back and re-read my comment, and I still don't see how it was implied that ebonics is somehow more acceptable for blacks. But I'm sorry if it seemed that way. That wasn't my intention. As for ebonics, I absolutely despise it. The idea that some schools started teaching it as a legitimate English class makes me want to run to the nearest toilet. As you said, it's just an excuse people use for not learning proper grammar. Ebonics is pure bull$h!t, even worse than ValleySpeak. Heh, as Bill Mahar once said, "This be causin' quite a stir." ;) Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Jenna: *applause* Very good points, there. It's really sad that people like your coworker are so xenophobic. Here we are, on the edge of the 21st century, and there are people still acting as if it's the 1800s. On a very basic level, the only real difference between the races (aside from different languages) is that some have more skin pigment than others. *blinks* Oh yeah, that's a real good reason to get xenophobic. Sure. Might as well hate certain people because they have green eyes instead of blue, or red hair instead of blond. It would make just as much sense. It's just a pitiful excuse certain people use for acting like @$$holes, because there's no valid reason for it at all.

Jannie: Thanks. :) Hey, your birthday is Nov. 18th? Mine's Nov. 17th. O_O

Kaioto: Excellent points you made. Yes, not knowing the native language doesn't make people subhuman, though it's a disadvantage. If I were living in a foreign country, I'd have to learn as much as the language as possible in order to survive on a daily basis--give directions to taxi drivers, order meals at a fast food place...and even be able to tell when somebody's making fun of me behind my back, thinking I can't understand them. ;) Funny thing is, the words you truly need to know, are never taught in a classroom. *g*

SJ: It's not turning into a flame war, so don't worry about it. I think we all understand your points. People who live here should speak the language, and people who live elsewhere should speak whatever the local language happens to be. Sounds reasonable enough to me. As for ebonics, I'm the one who brought that up, but it's okay, Jewel and I both agree that ebonics is crap. ;) As for "Jock Itch"...O_O Wow...it was really that good?? *bows* Well, thank you. Heh, now my head's not gonna be able to fit through the door. :) <<Grown men get paid millions to do the same stuff they did for free in their backyard when they were 10 years old!!!>> Exactly! When people focus on nothing but the money, it takes all the fun out of the game. <<Don't get me started on the idiot fans....I went to a baseball game a couple of weeks ago. I swear, they must have had every drunk for 100 miles around in that stadium that night....>> Sounds kinda like the people I meet while delivering...except you got 'em all at once instead of one at a time... ;)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Friday, October 29, 1999 02:07:51 AM
IP: wire-22.koalas.com

***BEGIN RP***
One of Anoth's lightning bolts singed Prime's side. The Phalanx grunted in annoyance, and sent one of his tentacle arms to attack him. Forfexx had other plans, however. He attacked the dangerous limb, morphing his hands and forearms into two deadly curved blades. With a defiant cry, Forfexx leaned into his attack, bringing his blades down upon the tentacle and severing it neatly. It fell to the ground, squirmed and writhed on the floor for a moment, then grew still. Prime roared in a mixture of pain and irritation.
"I suddenly know the meaning of the human term, 'hen pecked'. You insects are severly trying my patience."
"Heads up!" someone shouted. Before Prime could react, Wilek and Miriam had delivered a vicious double jumpkick to his head. The Phalanx's cranium snapped back violently, and for a moment, he staggered. But he quickly recovered, and with a sweep of one of his tentacle arms, he swatted them away.
He reached up past his shoulder, where Forfexx had managed to gain hold on his body and was attempting to cut open the thick technoorganic skin. Like brushing off an insect, Prime picked up Forfexx and tossed him in Terri and Jake's direction. With a battle cry, he slammed his fist down onto the ground, sending a seismic wave in his enemy's direction. Those standing in it's path were thrown to the ground rather unceremoniously.
Prime stalked towards the Administrator. "You shouldn't have to have others fight your battles for you, my dear," he taunted. "This has always really been just between you and me."
***END RP***

Okay, let me begin things by making a big apology to all of you. I sort of....well, know, I DID...start this whole "enforcing English" debate. I did not mean any harm by it, but unfortunately things did go a little south and for a second there, it looked as if tensions flared. *sigh* I really do have a big mouth. I'm sorry for leading us down this path. I just meant to imply that, if one is going to live in another country, to be part of it's culture and community for any long length of time, one should make an attempt to learn the language. I suppose it shouldn't be "enforce". But then we got into a whole ebonics thing, and...well, I'm sorry guys. If anyone took offense to some of the things said in the debate, I'll take responsibility. I hope there are no long term hard feelings, though :)
I did not mean to imply anything negative about somebody's culture, specifically not that of the Latin community. I greatly admire Latin culture; they have a beautiful language and a rich history, both in Europe and in the South and Central Americas. I too agree that the societal ostracization of certain ethnic groups is deplorable and one of the truly dark spots of not just human society, but human nature.

Jewel: "Humpin' Action Pikachu" Sweet Mary Mother of God, this sounds like some sort of evil, Spice Channel version of Pokemon. Disturbing, but incredibly amusing ;)

Pistoff: *wipes tears from his eyes* God, you should write for a nationally syndicated column. I haven't read anything as beautiful as "Jock Itch" in a long time. And it's so true! I like sports, but c'mon, they're just games! Grown men get paid millions to do the same stuff they did for free in their backyard when they were 10 years old!!! And you're right about the obscene money in sports. Daniel Snyder, new owner of the Redskins here in D.C., shelled out 800 million for the team and their stadium. Do you know how many starving children 800 mill will feed? Don't get me started on the idiot fans....I went to a baseball game a couple of weeks ago. I swear, they must have had every drunk for 100 miles around in that stadium that night....

SOROW: <<Keeping an image in here? You'll always have the best image in here cause you have one of the best hearts! :) >> Wow! That's sweet of you to say! Well, I'll try to keep that up image, that's for sure ;)

Doug & Kit: So "Time of Your Life" was *that* bad? Glad I didn't watch it then. Yep, it's a shame it gets a chance and other good shows, like Ryan Caulfield, or Harsh Realm, or Brimstone, get the boot. Then again, I suppose Fox is trying to bank on Jennifer Love Hewitt's most noticeable...*ahem* attributes...for ratings.
BTW, Thanks for the RP info! I'll try to work my plans around them. :)

Robby: Ha, ha, very funny. You think it was fun being housebroken? You try getting bopped in the nose with a newspaper everytime you have to tinkle. I am not an animal!!!! ;0)

Well, gotta get some sleep...got some good news though, before I go. Apperently, Todd McFarlane Toys is going to produce an "Ash" figure for his next series of Movie Maniacs. I guess God is listening to my prayers. An Ash figure will be groovy! Hail to the King, baby.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, October 29, 1999 01:17:08 AM
IP: 207-172-53-53.s53.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Hm … English:

Hell yes, enforce English. It is supposed to be part of the naturalization process for legal aliens. It is part of the mandatory high school education for the youth citizens of our country. Our Constitution and all our laws are written in English. Also, if you are drafted, you're orders will be given to you in English. With these things in mind, all citizens and productive members of these United States capable should be either fluent or learning/developing fluency in English.

Bilingual is a great strength, something I often times regret I lack, as Latin is a dead tongue. However, if you are know only one language and are planning to stay that way, and you are an American citizen without a handicap, that one language had best be English.

Not being able to speak English is not some sort of horrible plague that makes people into sub-humans. It is an issue of education and notion more. If you don't care to be ~ able ~ to speak English, don't live in this country. If you aren't willing to learn the language in which the elections are held, the laws are printed, and the law enforcement officers speak, you shouldn't be a citizen. The country should make no accommodations to provide an English-free environment for these people.

HOWEVER, as a country that has gained the bulk of its population through immigration and as a country that thrives off of a diversity of individuals, we should afford every opportunity to provide instruction and education to promote fluency of English. No one willing to learn should be denied the opportunity.

Only with a common language are we able to communicate effectively as a distinct body of individuals with a common country. We are individuals, but as citizens of the same nation, we owe a certain amount of loyalty and unity. We can not stand as a bunch of segregated communities and live in equity. We can not be defined as merely black people and white people, Chinese-Americans and Latinos, Italian-Americans and Native Americans. We are well served to retain our rich, independent cultures - true - as part of our individual character, but we are not Chinese, Africans, Italians, or Irishmen. We are individuals, each as different and wonderfully beautiful as snowflakes. We are also Americans, each EQUAL in Rights as well as Responsibilities. We must utilize at least base level commonality in order to survive as a nation.

ANYONE who isn't interested in surviving as a nation ought best to leave, not a specific ethnic group or race. You pay your damn taxes and obey the laws like everyone else if you are going to be using public schools and enjoy the protection of the US Armed forces. If you are in the army (drafted or no), you sure as hell ain't going to endanger anyone's life or safety because you don't get along with someone else in your unit. I don't give two #$%s if you don't like the color of his or his skin. Part of being a country is that there are some times when you just such it up, (forgive the non-PC metaphor) grow some balls, and take one for the team. Even that thorn in my side Ayn Rand agrees with me on that one. If you rely on the body, you must protect and encourage the prosperity of the body.

That goes for those who want to do their own thing and let everyone else go hang when push comes to shove AND those who want to hang anyone who is different. :)

We are ~ Supposed ~ to be a common body of distinct, freedom-loving individuals. That is the paradox of these United States.

Anyway … ahem …

Oracle: Thanks for the advisement. :) I think we may have something in the mix.

Thanks to everyone who gave advise and support. It looks like I may have Lexy-chan back online soon. :)

BTW, November 30th is Lexy-chan's birthday. Anyone can send her a greeting at: izzolexington3@yahoo.com

She'll check it on her friend's E-mail on Monday or Tuesday I'd suspect … or I'll read them to her at some point. :)

Jewel: Actually, my dad grew up in an Italian family and had the term "Guinea" thrown around before. It is used on the swarthy dwellers of Roman descent I'm afraid. The Irish boys who sometimes got into these little passes of the Dozens where referred to as "Dego" (sp) (Da' go). We were also answer to WOP (With Out Papers)

Well, I'll catch you guys later.

Dream of the Light.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, October 29, 1999 12:27:49 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Jewel- ^_^ hug-- good comments and good history lesson--

Your comment about old ladies grabbing their purses made me laugh, because it reminded me of something.

When I was working in a yuppie super white office, I got pretty badly treated. Until Mike would come by at the end of the day, then the coordinators (this was a temp agency) would get all saccrine. We used to laugh about it Mike and me, that they were afraid of him..was kind of funny to see those gals squirm..!
jenna
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:59:20 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-234.hstntx.swbell.net

ATTENTION EVERYONE!!! ON THE ACCOUNT OF ME BEING SUCH A PUNKB*TCH TO SOROW, I WOULD PUBLICLY LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO HER> "I am very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very sorry."

Green Baron: <Friendship with a little physical aspects?> Sounds like you've got it made brother! But I do sympathize. I myself and much like the rest of the male population have been screwed over and over by many a women. Don't feel too bad. It happenes to all of us. And I understand about the multiple dating situation as well. I've tried it but found it very difficult to not feel guilty. I mean it's just dating but sometimes it feels like more than one at time is too much.

SOROW: Of course I mean it. And I will never do it again. I like my other head. <lose my other head?> Mmmm... "SOROW: official CR spanker" to "SOROW: official CR Bobitizer." <(better watch it out there guys.)

Warp: I will be out all day at a football game as well so..HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!
JOE BOXER - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:54:55 PM
IP: spider-tl041.proxy.aol.com

jenna: I can empathisize fully with all those points. It truly sucks to have to live with stereotypes raining down all over you. I'm reminded of this song called "Little Black Girl" where this woman sings, "That woman on TV with the curlers in her hair isn't you." Nothing like seeing the news pull the *stupidest* Black person, usually missing teeth and with their hair not done--to interview and show on the nightly news when something happens. When I was little, I was always embarressed by the fools--my mom always referred to that kind of Black as a "Negro" in such a way as to indicate that "negro" was not the word she would like to use, and with a look of disgust on her face--and knew that that image was the one I was always going to have to be up against. I personally am sick of the little old ladies clutching their purses tighter when I walk past them, of that look of "oh no, is she gonna rob me?" and of the sales people peering at me around aisles to make sure I'm not about to steal anything (one such asshole who was making no effort to disguse the fact that he was expecting me to try and make off with someting cost his store a $300 purchase).
And side note, too--my dad really liked Gargoyles because there was a major character, Elisa, who was intelligent and good at her job, and who wasn't White--he saw her as a kind of validation, a feeling of "see, a Black woman whose not stupid or a ho." Elisa not being White was actually what got me started watching the show--I remember being surprised that there was a character who was obviously of another ethnicity (a fact that has only recently been brought to the attention of the media...even if I do think people are whining too much about the whole thing).

***Warning! Another history lesson!****
I just want to give all these people screeching about "America for Americans" and all that crap a quick history lesson on immigration and perspectives on those immigrants. We always pick some group to be the ones we don't want coming. It started out being the Germans in the 1700's. Then the Italians. Then the Irish. Then the Japanese. Then the Chinese. Then the Eastern Europeans. Then the Koreans. Now the Hispanics. People say the exact same thing now as they did back then. It's sad and digusting, and i hpe we never start doing the same sort of things we used to do to keep the "undesireables" out (an example: quotas were fixed in the early 1900's to make sure as few CHinese as possible could get into America. And about the same tiem, in order to keep the Japanese out, we made a deal with the Emperor of Japan so no Japanese would be given visas to come to America. And during the early Nazi years, we kept the quota system in so a hell of a lot of Jews couldn't flee Europe and come here. Lawmakers play around with what year to base to quotas off of in order to ensure only the right groups can come over.)
Before I end this, an interesting and rather sad tidbit. Almost all of the insults we used for differing ethnic groups peopel didn't want in America stemmed from epithats against Blacks. In Anti-Chinese politcal cartoons from the turn of the century, parallels were drawn between CHinese and Blacks. "Guinea," which was a derogatory term against Irish, whad it's root in a derogatory terms for Blacks. There are other examples, but I forgot them. What can I say, it's been a few months since my class on Immigration and Ethnicity...
***End lesson***

OK, I'm going to stop for now, before I really start ranting and raving.
jewel
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:40:31 PM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

SOROW>> I'll admit to doing the initial design work on the G99 mascots but the T-shirt design was done by Karine Charlebois aka Kanthara. Glad to hear you finally got your shirt at last and I'm sorry that it took so long to get there!
Spike
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:37:35 PM
IP: pppt06-235.ght.iadfw.net

*blinks* I didn't assume that Pistoff was condoning Ebonics for blacks but not for whites. eesh!

My birthday is in November too!! =) the 18th *g*
Jannie
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:08:53 PM
IP: 196-104.c.esc4.net

Pist off brings something to mind with this enforced english, and no it's not about ebonics. I don't think the enforced english is aimed at blacks at all. I think it is mainly aimed at hispanics.

Hispanics are basically, invisible in todays society. If they are shown in the media it is only as lazy, slutty maids and gang members. This is very painful for me to see, because it is so misconstrewed. What is most painful, that prejudice against hispanics, and partularly those who speak more spanish than in english is really seen as okay. They are treated less than dogs.

Now for the record, not that it matters, but I am white. But my husband and his family is hispanic. One of the biggest objections to our marriage in the beginning was the ethic differances, by some of my extended famliy members. It wasn't that they were going to disown me, but it certianly made them uncomfortable. That hurt.

I have a coworker who conviently forgets at times that I recently changed my name to Garcia to reflect my marriage (yeah, I'm old fashioned). She, like me, is white. And she will go into this xenophobic stance that America is for Americans- but she means White Americans- and of her religious sect only. This is painful to me, because she always afterwards looks at me like a "oops, I'm sorry I forgot you were married to a hispanic look." Some white do treat you diffrently when they find out you have a hispanic surname. Mostly everyone just laughs and goes on but it does make some uncomfortable.

The thing about this coworkers speels that gets to me the most is the amount of unbridled hostility in her voice when she talks about "mexicans". It is as if she is using the raza as a personal scapegoat for her own problems.

There is such a richness to the hispanic culture in America. I have lived in it, I have seen it. (this is the reason why I am so lividly against making everybody damn white!) But it's a hidden richness. My father in law works hard labor--at 50-- in the oil fields hot smelly work. And yet people call him lazy and stupid because of his ethnicity. It is very painful. I have never known anyone who is more kind, more decent than him (hell, he's the reason my hubby turned out so good :P). It is very painful for me when I hear people blast hispanics in general. Most of those who do have not known the suffering of prejudice, or the dire poverty that most hispanics have known.

When Mike and I have kids there is no question that they will know both spanish and english, like he does. I only speak english, and I can tell you being bilingual is a strength. But what is more, I want to teach them that survival against hard odds, which his family has faced, is victory enough, even if society in general does not see it of acknowledge it.

man, I'm getting teary now...



But on another note, one thing Mike pointed out about gargs, when he first saw it last year was that the clan stucture of our beloved Manhatten clan reminded him alot of hispanic or other ethinic minority families. Not just having the three generations (Hudson, Goliath, and the trio) but also the role of leader that Goliath plays , and everyone pitching in to help the clan, the family, survive in a hostile world.

Food for thought....
jenna
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:05:53 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-234.hstntx.swbell.net

"WARNING" Really stupid question about to be asked....
Does anyone out there know when the new season will begin...I always seem to miss the obvious and I thought that somehow I missed the premiere date or something....Thanks

A.J. - [Avalon1024@aol.com]
Pitt, PA
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:03:34 PM
IP: spider-wn042.proxy.aol.com

Scott: Yeah, it is going to be assumed if something is specifically phrased in terms of race. Welcome to America. It's sad, but it's the state of how things are. And before this argument, which we've had many times in the past continues here in the CR, let this be the end of it here until I visit you on Sunday (barring me being hung over from the Hallowe'en Party at Bryn Mawrand not drivign back until late), and we can yell at each other to our heart's content.

Pistoff: No, no, no, *no*, I was *not* accusing you of being a racist. That is an accusation I am extremely loathe to use on anyone, because there's just no way for one to defend themselves against it when one is attacked as such. The only way for anyone to get called a racist by me is if they fully *earn* it--and you didn't. I got up into arms for two reasons: 1) as Scott noted, it seemed to be implied that it was somehow worse for Whites to use ebonics than Blacks--that it was for whatever reason more acceptable for Blacks. 2) I hate Ebonics. With a passion. The rant started out with me saying, "Whoa, why are you getting like that with only Whites pissing on English?" to a rant about Ebonics in general. There was no aparent demarcation, because one blended into the next as my thoughts transitioned, and I went from needing clairification on something that instantly rankled wrong and wanting it straightened out quickly to full blown "I hate Ebonics and all the stupid excuses people give for bad grammar" mode. I assure you again, I'm not calling you racist, and I apologize for you thinking I was.


jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:56:02 PM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

Aaron: <Wish I could say I came up with it.>
Don't worry. What is important is that you posted it.

Coyote: Thanks for the conversion info.

Skippy The Klingon: Rant: WOAH! Your place sounded VERY stupid, and yet surpisingly similar.

Jewel: Pokemon: Ya know, for some reason I enjoying hearing about when Pokemon go bad.
Makes me laugh.

Website Graphics: Does anyone know of a good plug-in for Photoshop to better slice-and-dice a single graphic into many pieces for use as links?

Pistoff: <female Fabio> I agree. i almost had to activate BURN|CYCLE.
Zath's Arianna picture? Hmm... I gotta check this one out. Where can I check it out?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:40:43 PM
IP: t1-42.visitus.net

Now that I have more time, here are a couple of things I forgot to say earlier:

First, some good news- Kit and I will be seeing Princess Mononoke next month. On Thanksgiving in fact, in Houston. We plan to introduce our parents to each other, then all go see the movie together and hopefully enjoy. It better still be out Thanksgiving weekend. <grin>

Inner Demons: Glad a few people are looking forward to it (thank you Robby, Pistoff, and Dags!). If anyone's wondering about the title, it suits the story because the bad guys in it are all motivated by one of the dangerous "inner demons" lurking in human nature, and/or they use it as a part of their methods. These demons include racism (which inspires most of the story's action), greed, egotism (mostly on the part of Jadriel, who is a special guest villain :), and various assorted forms of lunacy. It should all be entertaining when it comes out. :) Seth, Rachel, the Sparks, and the gargoyles will of course be battling these emotions, and they will discover that not all battles can be won with a straight fight.

**ON THAT NOTE, HERE'S LAST POST'S MISSING END RP**

In the Avatar of Ganon's briefing room, Keith frowns as he looks over a computer screen that shows the continuing battle with the Phalanx. "It looks like we're winning," he says, "unless of course the bad guys have a trick up their sleeve. And they probably do." Elena looks at him and shakes her head. "You are so cynical." "Of course I am," Keith declares. "It's the only way to survive in this dangerous insane world." Elena rolls her eyes and sighs heavily, glad she prefers less emotional men. "Well, guys," Tom interrupts her thought train, "are you going to go back down there and help the others? They might need you?" "Wouldn't you be coming with us?" Elena asks. "No," Tom replies. "I'm sorry, but I can't. Janice is still being operated on. Someone has to stay here and watch over her." Keith frowns. "The Avatar's staff can do that." "I know, but I want to stay too just in case." "Fine, loverboy," shrugs Elena. "See you later." Cocking her AK-47, she walks out of the room heading for a shuttle. Keith follows, sharpening a ninja star as he moves. "Wait, guys!" Tom calls after them. "What do you mean, calling me 'loverboy?'" The other two Ravens do not answer, though Keith hides a brief laugh. Sighing heavily, Tom shakes his head in their direction and heads back to the infirmary to see if Janice's operation is completed yet.

**END RP AND POST**
Doug
Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:19:06 PM
IP: pool-209-138-213-111.dlls.grid.net

*** BEGIN MULTIPLE RANTS ***

Pistoff > See what happens when you don't insult everyone equally? ;)

Aside from the insinuation that you were being racist, I'd have to say that you and Jewel are *both* right. It is interesting, though, when you think about her reaction. You weren't even specifically talking about black people, yet it was assumed. That's what happens when you talk about <metaphor> one side of a coin; people will assume you mean the opposite for the other.

If people hear you say that it's *not* okay for white people to speak ebonics, then they will assume you are saying it's *okay* for black people to speak ebonics. In other words, you will be attacked no matter *what* you say!

Such are the times of political correctness.

South Park > While I'm on the topic of political correctness, I just have to commend the writers of "South Park." Having vulgarity, racism, and political incorrectness thrown into our faces by the four main characters is an excellent way of pointing out just how *stupid* all of those things are.

I should rephrase that for the people who are eager to pick bones with other people: The show eagerly points out the stupidity of...

1) People who take offense at everything non-PC.
2) People who are racist.
3) People who wish to keep words off the television that children can easily look up in any dictionary or hear from their parents.

*** END MULTIPLE RANTS ***
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:18:45 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

*walks in, a bit tired from working on his new computer*

boy I've had an interesting week......I've managed end work a few nights without that blasted skunk showing up, got to see dennis Leary's "No Cure for Cancer" tape, found some comics I wanted, found out that another anne Rice book is getting comics made out of it, got two Blair Witch Project posters for free, found a movie on VHS that I thought I'd never see again, found all the official Gargoyle tapes for sale and bought them for a good low price, etc.

Doug > your welcome for the brief comments on Control and I'm looking forward to reading "Inner Demons".

Christine > glad to hear Becca is doing better. looking forward to your next story

Pistoff > enjoyed your rants, they were good and reasonable

Muppets in space > did anyone else notice that Joshua Jackson and Katie Holmes are in this film?

Dating > well, being at all guys boarding schools for 6 yrs made it kinda hard for me to date girls, but I found some ways to do so anyways. and except for one of my dating relationships while I was at boarding school they never lasted more than a month or two and the girls were dumping me because they found someone better looking than me or something, but things are looking up now that I'm no longer in boarding school.

and I have interesting work hours tommorrow.....9am-5pm, then midnight till somewhere around like 5am but it gets me money so I dont mind that much, atleast I have saturday off......well, time to rest up for work tommorrow.....

*fades into thin air*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
TN
Thursday, October 28, 1999 09:50:26 PM
IP: host-209-214-119-194.bna.bellsouth.net

jewel: Whoa, whoa, whoa! That's NOT what I meant at ALL! I feel the same way about ebonics as you, it pisses me off no matter WHO uses it. My point was, I just get aggravated with white people who try to "act black" and have this idea that black people are "supposed" to speak ebonics. And I wanted to insult Vanilla Ice while I was at it, simply because I can't stand the son of a bitch. ;) I was NOT implying that black people are "supposed" to speak a certain way of that I "expect" them to speak a certain way. I was simply venting frustration with a particular, select group of annoying people, that's all. I was NOT being racist, that was NOT my intention, and I'm hurt by the implication that it *was* my intention. I know better than that, for chrissake.

*sigh* More responses later. I just had to take care of this one....
Pistoff
Thursday, October 28, 1999 09:32:36 PM
IP: wire-16.koalas.com

On the link below I've started a new round-robin. I'm going to stop posting them here since it seems people aren't interested but I though I'd just leave a synopsis. Demona finds a legendary artifact which can drain the power from a fairy or those of their blood and let them use it. Her first target is Fox. Anyone interested in this round-robin or starting one of their own then use this link and add or start your own.
Jason Barnett - [barnett@shentel.net]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 09:31:15 PM
IP: ha14s202.d.shentel.net

OK, two quick posts, because I saw something I *had* to respond to.

Pistoff: <But what about the white people
who were born and raised in America, who can barely speak English?...And when I hear a white guy speaking "ebonics," I just want to stab him in the neck with a No. 2
pencil...Learn to speak the native language and go on with your life. > Umm, I hope you aren't saying that it's OK for Blacks to mangle English, but not Whites. I'm Black, I grew up in the South, and I'm just barely one generation out the the tobacco and cotton fields. My parents grew up dirt poor in rural Virgina--in the county that had the hightest ratio of Black slaves to White owners in the entire Confederacy, and yet *NONE* of my family, neither the dirt-poorest who works in the tobacco fields for extra money nor the most well off lawyer in DC, have *ever* spoken "Ebonics." Ebonics is a load of crap, and just an excuse for people not to speak English properly. There is nothing cultural about it. There is nothing that makes it acceptable for Blacks to use Ebonics and Whites not to. I find Ebonics a horrendous abuse of the English language; it fairly lacerates the ear to hear it and I cringe when I do...and no one should have permission to use it. It is not a 'dialect,' it is an abomination--and I choose that word because of the pseudo-acceptance Ebonics has gotten, as a result of left-over White guilt over slavery (hence that stupid line of "Oh, the not conjugating of "to be" is a remnant of some African langauges" and such drek), over-educated Blacks trying to find their roots, and Blacks too mazy to LEARN THE DAMNED LANGUAGE. You don't see Native Americans speaking some f-ed up version of English, and I think we can safely say English was imposed on them, too.
Blacks were born and raised here, too. There's no excuse for them to speak Ebonics, either.
OK, rant over. For now.
jewel
Thursday, October 28, 1999 09:05:30 PM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

Spike> I GOT THE SHIRT TODAY!!!!!!!! OH, IT'S SOOOOO BEAUTIFUL! I LOVE IT! I LOVE YOU! *hugs* Phew, that took a lot out of me! Now that I have it, I'm afraid to wear it cause I don't want it to get dirty or fade. Maybe once a month... But thank you sooooo much! You are now one of my very, very, very best friends :) And the pencils are awesome, that is so sweet of you! Did you draw the shirt pic?! It's wonderful artwork!

jenna, jewel, Xanathar, Wilek, Doug, GB, ironwolf, Pissy> Thanks to all for the congrats on the job! For those who asked, I'm working at Ulta Cosmetics. My first job! Oh, and I had to get a checking account too!

SJ> Keeping an image in here? You'll always have the best image in here cause you have one of the best hearts! :)

Warp> Since tomorrow's a football night and I won't be able to post until late....HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO WARP (TOMORROW)! We love you very much and wish that all your dreams come true! Here come the spankings.... *WHAP* Hee hee hee *WHAP* Hee hee hee... I'm having too much fun!

Joe> *sniff* You really mean that! Awwww... But I'm still a little mad at you from today! What you said about Brooklyn was highly inappropriate! Though it was a good picture. Hmmmm... I guess I'll forgive you, but don't ever cross me like that again or I'll make sure that you personally won't have that other head you were talking about. Hahaha *laughing sarcastically*

Last thing: For November Birthday Bash! All whose b-days lie in the month of November need to make it known so we can make our exploding cakes ;) So far, there's me, Pissy, jenna, and ....?
SOROW
Thursday, October 28, 1999 08:38:14 PM
IP: dll2b208-40.splitrock.net

just a quick post. I read this article in salon.com a while back, and all this recent stuff in here about dating and body image made me think some of y'all in here might get as much of a kick out of this article as I did. The title is "Fat Guys Kick Ass," and that alone should tell you something. Made me wanna go grab a doughnut or two. Here's the URL, http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/10/15/fat_guys/index.html , or just click on my name. =)
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 08:35:40 PM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

Robby> Thanks for the explanation. I suppose, then, that this isn't the place to be an openly lawyerly person? :P
Pogo
Thursday, October 28, 1999 08:07:52 PM
IP: fwnt.dorseylaw.com

Is it already Thursday? Dang I've been busy. Still am actually... And I'm not gonna try and catch up on the CR, I know better... Of course, this is breaking into a weekly routinenow... Clear the CR on Sunday, post a couple of two line posts saying I'm busy Monday and Tuesday, do nothing on my ultra busy Wensday, and then say on Thursday I'm too busy to catch up... In some ways, I really wish I had the free time to spend in the CR that I used to, but in other ways, I'm LOVING my mentorship, I've never had this much fun in my life, busy and tiring as the work is... Its the second greatest and funnest thing I've ever been involved in.

Dating- Well, I can't say I'm actually all that experianced with this. I've only dated one girl in my life, (Heather for those of you who actually don't know) I am still dating hear almost a year later, its a long distance relationship... Not normal at all. But she's the *first* greatest and funnest thing in my life.

As for beauty- Who cares? Its not whats outside that counts. (But then I ended up getting lucky with Heather in that aspect anyway...)

Aaron- ANTZ was a FAR better movie than Bugs Life. ANTZ had drama, comedy, pathos, good villains, mood and more. Bugs life had... A Blooper real.

Phantom Menace- In retrospect, except for the lousy acting, plot holes, and Jar Jar, I liked it.

Doug- "FUUCK"? Interesting acronymn...

SJ- Dang, you were cute as a kid... That fuzzy brown mussle... Those big puppydog eyes and floppy ears... But who was the kid in the red and white shirt?

"Letters to Jenny"- Actually, the Pini's were involved in a comic adaptation of this I believe...

Jannie- Neat quotes... And they're all real! Ahhh!

Gyre- On the same note, Gore is up for potential preidency running because his party has no one else to support thats as likely to win. Besides, George Bush did worse...

Silver Arrow- The new season of Dark Ages starts next week.

Female Fabio- Isn't that who Vendela is supposed to be? In fact, Conan had a lot of fun with that when she was on his show... Speaking of which...

Conan O' Brian and Demona- Oh dang, that would be fun...

Fanfic responses- The main reason I don't say anything about fanfic anymore is because um... Well, for one, I'm on TGS staff so I'm not supposed to, and two I don't have the time to read the CR or my regularly visited websites now adays, and unfortunately I certainley don't have the time to read fanfic. Pity, I enjoyed it a lot back when I did...

Pokemon- I'm on a pokemon high due to the league games and the movie coming out. Unfortunatley, I've read detailed spoilers on the movie and the comics have pretty much spoiled the ending of the league games... Still, since Mononoke isn't coming out, I have to put all that pent up enthusiasm somewhere...

Pogo- Mr. Dis Connect is an invention I brought in some months ago when I realized the CR lawyer was getting killed for no reason other than he was immortal. (And the RPs were making him into a nice guy). We blame ALL electronic frustrations on Dis Connect, and kill his immortal self for it... (For a while I had worked him into the RP but eventually worked him out of it when I realized he was too fun to kill to muck with...)

Scott Iscow- I gotta agree with ya wholeheartedly on Pokemon and Monster Rancher. Pokemon works because there's *something* about the relationships involved that works, while Monster Rancher is hurt a bit by the very premise...
Robby
Thursday, October 28, 1999 07:54:25 PM
IP: spider-we073.proxy.aol.com

DC thing> Um, could someone help out the newbie here and explain just what the deal is with the DC abuse? Is this a totemistic convention of, first, personifying (as Mr. DC) the frustration of being disconnected ... and second, kicking the **** out of "him"? :)
Pogo
Thursday, October 28, 1999 06:57:34 PM
IP: fwnt.dorseylaw.com

Progress report > Becca is doing better, well enough to go to school today. Me, I wrote ten pages on my next fic last night. I think after the action and gore of the Jedi story, I needed a more light-hearted change of pace. Might have it done next week sometime.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 06:28:42 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Jannine> Speaking of schoolyard terrors: I have a pretty good story on that end...

One of the first jobs I got after dropping out of high school was to be a substitute teacher (no litereally!) I'd moved to this small town and they hired anyone with a GED to fill in for the teachers. Just to fill in for a day and play babysitter mostly...

Anyway, I got stradled with this 4th grade class and one student was being a little SOB. The brat got me angry and when he refused to be sent down to the office I picked him up and carried the little monster out the door....right in front of all of his classmates and the school :)

As you might expect, his trailer trash mother came in and started ranting, with threats of lawsuits and legal action.
I did in fact get served legal notice from her ambulance chaser, Thankfully the school system wasn't going to put up with this crap and gave her what she deserved. Zip. I was never called back for further asignments, and honestly it sure wasn't with $60 all things considered...

Maybe that kid might have learned something from the incident, but I'm doubtful of it...
Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, October 28, 1999 06:26:13 PM
IP: uv1-44.ultravision.net

I was watching CNN this morning, and gathered some more material for my Rant Page. Seems that Coca-Cola is wanting to build vending machines that automatically raise their prices during hot weather. Grrr! Money-grubbing scumf--ks! What depth will they sink to next?

Xanathar: Thanks for the compliments. :) And that was a great stupid-customer story. It makes me wonder how people like that can even function. People who are so damned stupid should be placed in a special care center and fed apple sauce....

Wilek: Thanks for signing my guestbook. :) About the oven thing...the first time that happened to me, I was kinda nervous. This time, I was just pissed. I went in, heard the oven running and smelled the propane, and just said, "Dumbass!" and then walked over, shut the oven off and turned on the vent, and opened the doors and window to air the place out. Heh...after doing this for 5 years, I guess I've run out of things to be afraid of. I just started airing the place out and went on about my job. Which is rather scary in itself... O_o Guy who got his nose broken> Yeah, these things make ya wonder, don't they? So much for the theory of evolution. DC torment> *bows* Thanks. Torture is so much more fun than outright killing. Though DC later died from internal bleeding, because everything from his rectum to the top of his colon was...well, shredded. >;D Thanks for the htmlgoodies site, and for the compliments on the Rant Page. 8D Wow...framed and placed in schools. Hey, since Jannie's a teacher, maybe she can print "Jock Itch" out and find a prominent place to hang it.... *g*

Fire Storm: Send him in with a Zippo...I like that. :) Actually...this guy *does* smoke. So it could be made to look like an accident... *gears turning* Well, at any rate, maybe I'll Joyride him later, if I have time. I have something...appropriate...in mind. MUAHAHAHAHA!!!

What's this about a female Fabio?? *pictures it, gags* Oh gawd...now I'm afraid I'll never be able to get it up again. *stares at Zath's drawing of Arianna for a moment* Okay, I was wrong about that. It's workin' just fine. *mops brow* Whew! ;)

Fan mail: This is something that continues to trip me out to this very day. After ten years of magazine editors telling me that I'm worthless, I'm always shocked when people like my stuff. I still haven't recovered from my first email from Denis, in which he casually mentioned that he read "Two Minutes to Midnight" on the train to Paris. That knocked me on my ass. It's very weird to be getting fanmail...but I love it! 8D Thank the gods for the internet!

Enforcing English: There's a lot of talk about making non-caucasians learn to speak English (and I do agree that if they live here for years, they should at least make the effort, just as I should try to learn the native language if I were to live in a nother country), but what about the white people who were born and raised in America, who can barely speak English? I mean, there are so many people who have no excuse whatsoever who can't spell, can't read above a 5th-grade level, and can't speak like an average sober person. I'm always hearing things like, "Can I acks ya a question?" To which I reply, "Absolutely not. However, if you really feel the need, you may certainly _ASK_ me a question."

And when I hear a white guy speaking "ebonics," I just want to stab him in the neck with a No. 2 pencil. Vanilla Ice is gone, @$$hole! He's an unpleasent memory! A bad dream! Pretend that he never existed! It's over. Learn to speak the native language and go on with your life.

Well...seems I have the beginning for another Rant. *jots down notes*

Jenna: Thanks for the sympathy and the compliments. 8D Lookin' forward to seeing your comments in the guest book. :) Got your em, will reply to it this evening.... :)

SOROW: Congrats on getting the job!! :D Hmm, CR Spanker? I've got a birthday coming in November.... ;)

Skippy: ACK!! That situation at your last job was lousy. Glad you were able to get out of it. I can sympathize about the impossible employer stories--one of my ex-bosses used to waste labor by bringing in a second driver during the day shift so she could go out in her truck and sleep! While still on the clock!!!! She'd put me in charge, even though I wasn't technically a shift manager, hadn't taken any of the training courses and tests, wasn't certified as a shift manager...and she'd leave me in charge and go sleep in her truck withoug clocking out. O_O

SJ: <<Thanks for the fics, and your kind words on the photo.>> Hey, my pleasure, bro. :) I'll have another fic or two ready soon, probably tonight. Just gotta fix the typos and stuff. Love your site, BTW. Love that eyeball on the main page. 8D <<I can only hope my future, "modern day me" pics will be in a similar bad-as-all-hell--kick-ass-and-don't-even-bother-takin'-names style as your recent photos ;)>> Heh...wow! Thanks! If that's the effect you're going for, try having the picture taken from below, and just look kinda disgusted with everything. The up-angle seems to make one look bigger and more intimidating. *g* I can sympathize about "not being photogenic." That's why I experimented with the up-angle and stuff. Heh, it seems to have worked better than I expected.... ;)

jewel: Thanks, I'm glad nobody was hurt, too...and I was able to give the guy responsible a good scare when he arrived that morning. All I had to do was explain the situation, and his eyes almost launched out of his skull. ;) He genuinely regretted it, it was a mistake because he was new at closing...but I made sure he understood that I wouldn't let it slide next time. If he does it again, he'd better be able to run real fast. Heh...one thing can be said about this stuff--it gives me plenty of ammo, so I can keep making the CR a little "crunchier." ;D Hmm...humpin' action Pikachu. Ye gods. Now I want to buy one of the damned things, just to freak people out with that. Heh, probably some parent will see it and try to sue the company for pushing lewd products on their kids. *L* It could be called...the Poke-achu! ;)

Jaden: ACK!! Sorry about the class being cancelled. Not to beat a dead horse or anything...but the sports programs are never in danger of being cancelled, right? O_o Sorry you bought that expensive book that can't be used now. Is there any chance of getting a refund?

Jannie: *bows* Thank you, thank you! I'm just one little guy, but I do what I can. Um...$135 to see a football game? I had no idea it was _that_ bad. When people can see the same game on TV in their own living rooms...ack! And since there are already two stadiums there...what the f--k do they need another one for?! Hmm...time for another Joyride, I think... *cracks knuckles*

Warp: Thanks for signing my guestbook. And yes, I've got plenty of material for rants--and I'm constantly adding more. *g* And I loved that "Illuminate THIS!" creativity demon. ROTFLMAO!

Aaron: Glad you got your car back, hope it keeps working this time. I can definitely empathize about car problems, especially after the '81 Volkswagen Dasher I owned for 4 months...and it did NOT dash...heheh. As for the incentives and stuff--sports isn't the same thing as corporations, despite the many similarities. Besides, why put ANOTHER stadium in a town that already has TWO? Especially when people can watch the games on TV from the comfort of their couches, and for a lot less money.... ;)

Jenna again: ACK! WTF??? The bitch in a Jaguar backs into you--then asks you to back up so she can get to the bank?! I'm glad your car wasn't damaged...but the nerve of that twit! *adds her to the ever-growing Joyride hit list with an evil chuckle*

Doug: I'd love to see Demona on Conan's show. Even if Conan doesn't hit on her, maybe Andy could do something...he gets some good moments in, sometimes. (Remember when he bellowed, "For god's sake, let the bear masturbate!" ? LOL! ;)

Green Baron: Attila's a naughty boy, eh? heheeheh! <<I just wish consumers had the same demand for eductaion.> I couldn't agree more. *high fives* :)

Ironwolf: I learned computers on a Commodore 64, too. Like an idiot, I talked my parents into buying one because that's the only one I knew how to use, because that was the best the school could do. So a few years later, the thing was pretty much worthless, except as a toy. ;) And good for your friend's gf! *applause* I'm glad she told those people off. I bet it was a real Kodak moment. *g* Too bad I missed it. ;)

Oops, all I have time for, now. Heh, I'm _almost_ caught up. I'll finish the rest of the responses tonight...

"I would probably breed a more stupid dog, since I consider stupidity in dogs to be a virtue. You don't want a smart dog. It's like a smart politician. You don't want a smart politician. You know, if we could just find the part of the genome that turns a person into a politician or a lawyer and apply the right restriction to snip it out--but I guess that's just wishful thinking." ---author Charles Sheffield, on genetic experimentation
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 06:12:57 PM
IP: wire-13.koalas.com

Jannie-- well, I gotta be honest-- I haven't really kept my ear to the ground on this subject-- I know- I know- I should be more informed, but I gotta be honest- I really don't know what is going on with this issue--- local politics has never been of intrest to me, maybe it should...
jenna
Thursday, October 28, 1999 06:12:14 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Aaron> yes, unfortunately there are those incidents when situations such as that in Louisiana should have never been sponsored or assisted by government funds.
From my understanding, the new owner of the future Houston football team is not putting up any funds for this stadium. I personally love attending the professional football games and was saddened when the Oilers left. =( I'm excited that we are going to have another team! *happy feet dance*
I've attended Astros games...Snoozzzzzers! Heh, I was even caught on the big screen taking a nap! *blushes* I went to a hockey game and while I enjoyed the action, I was completely lost in what was happening since I know zilch about hockey. I did however enjoy the faces smashed against the plexiglass ;)
I'm glad to hear that the Tennessee team, FKA Oilers, is putting money up towards a new stadium. Funny though - that was one of Bud Adams's reasons for leaving Houston... he was asked to fork out some of his own bucks for a stadium & he wanted them to pay for it completely... *blinks*
But, I may have misunderstood myself as far as the new team owner paying anything towards the stadium.
Jenna? do you know or have you heard?
=)
Jannie
Thursday, October 28, 1999 05:55:59 PM
IP: 196-104.c.esc4.net

Jannie> I agree, there's nothing wrong with these incentives, in reason. But sometimes city, or state governments just end up giving up way too much, be it in tax money, lost revenues, or quality of life. I wish I could find that Time article I read a year ago on the pros and cons of these things. There was one, someplace in Louisiana ,where they'd managed to attract some kind of really, really toxic manufacturing to the state, and spent all kinds of tax money helping them get started so they could turn around and start polluting great chunks of LA's ecologically significant wetland. (If I'm wrong about any, or most of this, it's been a while since the article. I maybe misremembering)

Also, when I said that, I was thinking they organization going into Houston would be putting up some of the money. I was actually thinking of the Titans(FKA the Houston Oilers) who're at least putting up something like 130 million dollars toward their new stadium in Tennessee. My bad.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, October 28, 1999 05:40:11 PM
IP: ppp-30.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Jannie- :P
jenna
Thursday, October 28, 1999 05:16:34 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Green Baron> Bless you!! A group of us teachers were talking just yesterday about the "good ol' days" when each teacher had a paddle hanging in her classroom. *chuckles* I assure you that discipline was not the problem back then that it is today! Nowadays, however, the parents need a good hard spanking as much as their child does! I swear if I hear, "He doesn't do this at home!" I'm going to take someone out. O.o We had this one boy who was a living, breathing, walking monster & his mom constantly defended him and telling us that he wasn't like this at home & how we must be provoking him, etc. Then we found out that they had bars placed on the windows at his home because he was constantly sneaking out & they were replacing broken windows as a result of his tantrums. *blinks* ummmm.. sssuuureeee he's an angel at home.. *rolls eyes*
Just give me 30 minutes in isolation with him with no witnesses *winks* We'll have a come to Jesus meeting and he'll be born again, I assure you ;) (And I do not beat or strike any children) I can have a student pinned and in a theraputic sitting hold position in about 10 seconds :) Call me a bitch, he's down. Threaten to kill me, he's down. Cuss at me, he's down. Hit or kick me, he's down... get the picture? *g* We must go thru all of these procedures, evaluations, observations just to get to this point of discipline - at a very high cost to the taxpayers - when a trip to the principal's office for a swift paddling would have solved the problem to begin with.

Iron> Astroworld is still alive and kicking with new rides added :) Traffic is just as fun as ever though *chuckles*. I consider it a time of prayer and rededication every time I get on the 610 Bypass. *L*
Galveston... ahhhh! I love that place!! I go there to walk the Strand, walk the beach, watch the ships and was fortunate enough to see dolphins the last time I was there! Galveston is one of the first places I'm taking Denis when he comes here! :)

Aaron> I don't see anything wrong with incentives for businesses when the business benefits a large number of citizens of that city/town. Small businesses also receive many benefits and tax breaks of their own, so usually no one is left out when starting an enterprise. There are just different programs and assistance available based on the size of the company. :)

Angel.... I heard that they were going to be pulling Doyle off of the show! ack! He's my favorite supporting actor. *sighs* Has anyone heard WHY?? bummer.

Jenna> the question is though - DID you back up for her? *chuckles* j/k
some people... *shakes head* I've been fortunate so far and have not had even a fender bender my years here. Was zooming down I45 one night (around 11pm) at a breezy 85 mph when I came around a short curve and centered a dolly! (one of those dolly thingys that you use to move heavy items) I could feel it thumping the entire length of my mini van. Remarkable enough though - only left a small scratch in my front fender guard. O.O Was in a near miss accident on I45 a couple of summers ago. A tire blew in a vehicle 2 up in front of me (we were once again going around 80-85 mph)... slamming brakes and I drove quite a distance in the median - thank goodness it was grass! It ended up being quite a pile up before everyone was stopped. Was grateful for my CPR training at that point too! I've been blessed so far with driving experiences in Houston! :)

Is anyone else having problems with ICQ? good grief almighty! Enough is enough! geesh!! *kicks ICQ to Iceland*
Jannie
Thursday, October 28, 1999 05:07:13 PM
IP: 196-104.c.esc4.net

SOROW: Glad you liked the story! Keep an eye on your mailbox -- I mailed your G99 stuff yesterday.

Speaking of "The Last Gargoyle", here's what Spike might have looked like had the Redwood Clan survived. <click!>
Spike
Thursday, October 28, 1999 03:52:03 PM
IP: pppt06-10.ght.iadfw.net

Hmm lots of Scorpio’s in the room. Well to all that have had bdays happy!! To all that are going to (like me) happy!!
Speaking of Joan and all you history buffs you ever wonder why all these heroes like her and wallace get their countries to the brink of freedom only to have the rulers of their countries betray them? Sorry I did a paper on Joan and well I really don’t like the french or the english now ;o)
Congrats SORROW on the job
Houston and schools hehehe I remember learning about computers on a commodore 64 because the schools were to cheap to by real computers! Heck my system at home was better. I really miss astroworld it was and hopefully still is tons better than six flags over Ga. Of course to get there you had to brave Houston traffic!!! :o) hmm nope I think I miss Galveston and the ocean the most. Dang it now I am home sick :o(

Update on my friend. He didn’t even notice what his family did at the funeral till like 2 days later. He said he was sitting at home thinking about the funeral “nice of them to mention me, hey wait….HEY!!!” he didn’t get to mad because he was so amused at himself for only noticing 2 day later! Of course his fiancée is another story. I love her to death she is sweet nice witty the happy homemaker type who is studying to be a nurse. I always thought of her as sweet as apple pie… until….his parents pulled that at the funeral and some more stuff two days latter. She pulled out a truck load of canned whuppa$$ and laid in to his parents. It was the most horrible frightening verbal tongue lashing I had ever seen in my life… I loved it! (of course me the loyal friend was well out of blast radius of her unleashing heheheh). Matter of fact they are having a Scottish wedding and well me 3 guys and the lucky guy will unfortunately be in formal kilts. I made the mistake of asking if I could paint my face blue and got the gaze…..with a no! sit! I thought she was going to follow with beg and roll over but I sat and stayed so puppies, guys apparently a stern voice and the gaze works on both. Now I do have some…mischief planned and if live after the wedding I tell
ironwolf
Thursday, October 28, 1999 03:22:36 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-81.cha.bellsouth.net

WARNING R-rated entrance**

Reverend Attila races through the CR with a green bathrobe, pursued by GB wearing only his underwear. Green Baron catches Attila and grabs his robe, but he then notices where he is and sees everyone staring at him. He blushes while winking at a few ladies and put son his robe.**

That bad kitty!!

Robby> I hope that didn't violate CR decency standards :)

SOROW> Conratulations on the job. You cna cry on my shoulder when you see how much you get gutted in taxes, especially FICA which should be privatized :) ::hugs::

Jewel> My advice is to find some friend, perhaps soemone you find a total sweetheart, and just bring him with you to eevnts so your firends will not bother setting you up with someone. Did I send you an e-mail last, or did you send me one?

Aaron> Mara worte new fic? Must read now!!! :)

Joe> Well, I agree tehre is something about dating and finding the right woman, but I go into a habit of one date and committing myself, which has had disastrous implications. I'm 22 and far too young to eevn think about engagements, let alone marriage (I don't plan to get married until I'm 35). I am also terrified of dating, becuase she will say yes and then hurt me. Now, I just enjoy friendships with a little physical additions :)

Firestorm> Well, Jen was a nice volunteer, though she was delivering a message from Kenna. Kenna will be volunteering for me in G2K :)

Janine> I don't like tax subsidies at all. It is teh sam esort of sick business practice that stifles free trade and the true spirit of capitalism, which I love. I think the best way to deal with the school situation, is to turn the Department of Eductaion into block grants to school districts, then to focus more on education, like raising standards for teachers, merit-based pay raises, locking up the leaders of the NEA in a white-collar prison, and cutting back on teh beaurecracy, plus we need tos top panicking over air conditioning and asbestos, and instead make certain kids get education and discipline. Too bad we can't send in nuns with rulers to handle bad kids :)

Pistoff> Jocks provide entertainment value, but I do agree we are a little too focused on it. I coudl care less about sports, but I don't get upset about their salary. It answers perfectly to consumer demand. I just wish consumers had the same demand for eductaion.

Class calls. Bye bye :)

**Attila takes GBs underwear, but luckily he as his robe on, so he chases Attila trying to keep his robe decent so he doesn't flash anyone**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, October 28, 1999 02:58:24 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

**RP HERE**

Inside the Sphinx tunnels, Doug, Kit, and their friends step over the corpse of the Taco Bell chihuahua and continue walking down the passage ahead. "Pika!" Pikachu shouts behind them, running to catch up. "You want to come with us?" Gubio asks the rodent. "Well, I guess it's okay. Isn't it?" "Yeah, it's fine," Doug shrugs. "Come on!" They run on through two huge empty caverns, passing the corpses of the scorpion and sphinx drones Wilek and SJ's groups destroyed. "We must be getting close to Prime," Boris conjectures. Suddenly they stop, hearing the sounds of a great battle and maniacal laughter ahead. "I think we are close to Prime," grins Jammer. "Okay, people," Kit says. "Get ready." They all nod and begin checking their gear. "It is madness to delay!" Erin shouts before they can finish, swinging wildly with her scimitar. "We have to help your friends and save Egypt, right?" With that she charges off towards the noise. "Hey!" Stephanie calls, running after her. "Wait for me!" The others sigh and also pursue, Mist mewing loudly as they catch up. They then turn the corner and behold the scene of Prime fighting off most of Wilek's party while SJ tries to help his dad and Cameron Hodge stands on the sidelines cheering for his master. "Whoa!" Shap gasps, looking at Prime's face. "It's that clone SJ made of himself! I thought he was dead!" "Obviously not," frowns Lathrop, tapping the end of his staff. "Shall we help remedy that?" "Since God surely wills it," shrugs Orion, "yes." Just then Prime notices them and shouts, "Hodge! Get rid of those reinforcements!" "Okay!" Hodge grins, flow-leaping over Prime and those in combat with him to engage the Ravens. Laughing, he sprouts a large number of weapon-holding tentacles and begins to attack. "This is not our day," Jaden sighs, jumping back and barely avoiding one of them. "Is it ever?" asks Shauna. The werewolf shakes his head, the others laugh, and they all start attacking Hodge.

**END RP FOR POST**

Hi everyone. Ah, school days. Lots of boring classes, large amounts of tedious time-consuming homework, and practically the only time I have to post is between classes in the library. I love these times...NOT! They're terrible. Oh well, at least I'm making decent grades, and probably learning something too. Or I can hope I am. :) That's the way it goes. On to replies.

Fanfic Progress: Have begun "Inner Demons," but it's proceeding slowly (mainly due to schoolwork). Currently am in the middle of the bad guys' plotting scenes, the action won't start for a while. So far the story is going okay, hope it continues like this. :) As always, more updates will be posted as I put parts of it out.

SJ: Cute picture of yourself, thanks for posting it. Congrats on the scanner too. As for the entertainment news- <sighs> Why did they have to cancel Ryan Caulfield and Harsh Realm without even giving them a chance? Kit, myself, and the Ravens liked them. I'm sure lots of other people also did. <sighs> Now we'll definitely be boycotting World's Dumbest Lunacies as we always have Friday nights thanks to this stupid decision. Hopefully a lot of other people will keep on doing the same (and give Fox's programming idiots what they deserve for this). Oh well, at least Fox still has a few good shows- Simpsons, (hopefully) the new season of X-Files, Ally McBeal, and Action (which is on tonight. :)

Speaking of Fox shows, did anyone besides me and Kit watch that new Jennifer Love Hewitt venue Time of Your Life on Monday? Kit and I did. You know what? It was terrible! One of the most boring time of our lives we ever had watching TV. This is the show that Fox should have canceled, not Harsh Realm. But it's unfortunately probably going to stay. :( Which really stinks, because the first episode had a bad plot that did not flow well, poor development and charecterization, a vapid ditzy preformance by JLH worse than anything else I've seen her do, and no interesting features whatsoever. If this foretells what future episodes of the show will be like (and pilots usually do), I am not going to continue watching this series. <sighs> JLH should have stayed with Bailey on Potty of Five, made him happy. Now that show's even less entertaining than it was before. I hate her new venue, and so does Kit. Her character may make an appearance in my fanfic soon- Criminals are going to attack her, they are going to brutally kill her, and gargoyles will NOT arrive in time to save the day. (This isn't really going to happen, btw. But if I was absorbing Time of Your Life (which I'm not!), it would. :)

Dags: Thanks for the brief "Control" feedback. Glad you enjoyed the tale.

Wilek: Actually, I thought up that acronym myself. :) $ Could you please tell Kit and me by e-mail who these new adversaries (Sol and Griffix) you've given Asil are? We like them, especially their element of mystery, but want to make sure they won't be too dangerous. :) $

Green Baron: Welcome back. $ Glad you'll be handling the Shadow Brides on Friday. I assume Obi One Bob and OJ's situation will also be updated soon after that. Look forward to both. BTW, Kit wants to know if it's okay for Asil to have an encounter with Demon Ted Turner on her joyride in Los Angeles (we also want to fight Ted's forces soon, but have made plans to wait until you have more time to join in that fight). $

Fanfic Letters: One further comment on these. Like David G, I desire criticism as well as praise. So far for nearly all my stories, praise is all I've gotten. Please, people, criticism helps a writer. Don't be shy, send me some. It's appreciated as much as praise is, maybe even more. Send praise, send criticism, send feedback of any kind, I've appreciated what I've gotten but still want more. :) That is all.

Buffy and Angel: Good episodes of those shows two nights ago, see Kit's earlier posts for more of my thoughts on them. The latter show especially is looking like it will have some really good stories ahead, as it has so far. Hope the trend keeps up, and that they don't off my favorite supporting character Doyle. They should also feature some more dark creepy villains. :) Buffy was also good, mostly made so by the comedy of it as well as the acting and horror. In my book, both eps got a 10/10. (I also liked the little demon.)

Blue: Thanks for the wish of good luck. Same to you. Also, you're welcome for the e-mail. Glad I could slightly cheer you up.

Pistoff: I'll be looking forward to the feedback when it comes, thanks for letting me know it's still on your agenda. :) Thanks for the compliments on the fanfic teaser too, I'm glad it got some attention. As of now, I don't know if I will be putting any more Conan references into the fic other than that letter to Demona and one character mentioning that Conan is married in my ficverse (to one of those beautiful female guests who's kissed him) so Demona won't have to worry about him hitting on her if she goes on. (Though Conan should probably be the worried one if he does that. <grin>) I may put in more, I don't know (this is only a minor subplot anyhow). <shrugs> It'll be a long time before the story gets finished, so I do have a while to see if it fits and decide. :)

SOROW: Congrats on the new job. Hope it's a good one that gives you wonderful experiences and lessons as well as resume filler. :)

That's all I have time to say now. Have to go attend yet another boring class. <waves> Later, everyone.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 02:47:19 PM
IP: fac-b-b6.lib.utexas.edu

rrrff!!!

Well, I was comin back from lunch in my old Taurus (that can't take much abuse) and this gal in this jag who was in front of me backs up, and backs up, and backs up and is way to close and before I can find the horn, bumps me. Well, luckly there wasn't any damage to my car, or hers and given the number of cons out there I didn't give any of my info for this little bump. But what made me really mad is that then she asks if I can back up so she can get in her spot going to the bank.

As I said before--rrrrffff!

Warp- <reg. imposter> I thought something weird was going on.. man, hang in there- how's the living quarters situation?


jenna
Thursday, October 28, 1999 02:02:22 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Aaron> yes, a lot of major corporations do receive incentives to put their business in a certain town/city - but with the sports arenas it is financed 100% (or close to that) by the city - a.k.a. taxpayers. I think it's competitive to offer incentives, tax breaks, etc. to lure a major corporation into your city because of the benefits that will trickle into the economy, etc. They are asking us to completely pay for this new stadium thru increased prices of parking, admission tickets, bond issues, etc. That's my beef about this - if the owners want a new stadium, that's fine - but pay the bulk of it themselves. The city of Houston should be spending this money on the fire dept., police dept., and educational system. :)
Jannie
Thursday, October 28, 1999 01:57:03 PM
IP: 196-121.c.esc4.net

jewel> What *hasn't* been wrong with my car lately?

Jannie>Actually, other industries get tax breaks, civic funds, and other incentives too. They just get less publicity then sports teams. That's how Alabama got a Mercedes plant smack in the middle of the state.

Warpmind> A gnome huh? I'd probably end up as... Um, do you remember Toadie, the midgit ogre from Gummi Bears? That's probably what my life would be like.

Must go now and read Christine and Mara's new fics.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, October 28, 1999 01:12:59 PM
IP: ppp-30.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Hi, y'all. Quick replies I hope to get out in time...


Wilek: Ignore Blomkvist. That was a d*ckhead here trying to impersonate me. He has no realistic intelligence, and the lowest form of humor known to man. In other words, he's just trying to annoy me. I noticed you spotted my warning about him, but I warn you again: HE IS NOT A REAL CR DWELLER! He popped in, using MY surname as a signature. If he pops in again, I shall hunt him down in RL. And by the way, he is NOT called Blomkvist, in any case. And pardon me for ranting like this.

Fire Storm: Uh... my mathematical skills are quite impeded by my creative center, but I know that 1 cubic Decimeter equals 1 liter. However many cubic centimeters that equals...

Female Fabio: Isn't that what already exists? Or... *Shudders*

Toku Kaioto: Forgive, forgotten, friend. Just translate all you want, just don't do it in public. ;)

Christine: I reviewed "Monky Business" today, and I see it needs some work... I thought it was done, but it seems that was just in my mind, and alas, I don't type as fast as I think... but I believe I may have it ready by next week. As for the filks... I feel discharged, but I'm pondering C&W... you have been warned. Hope Becca's feeling better.

Aaron: Well, the more I look at it, the less likely that particular concept is. We'd probably have more than those two genotypes... and with my luck, I'd wind up a gnome.

Jenna: I know, but at the time, my mind was in shambles. A case of the flu, I think, but that's all over now. Besides, I may have more fans, but you're the only one who has yet sent me fanfic-related mail...

SOROW: Yep, Friday, October 29th. And as for the CR Joyride Chronicler... do you think I should contact Tarantino?

Jewel: No, I am not a 6-foot-plus blond named Sven who sings opera. I am a five-foot-ten (or so) dark-haired student named Marius, who by far prefers Metallica ballads and C&W, and who positively can't STAND the very CONCEPT of Opera. Did that clear things up? But I'm a gentleman with a great sense of honor, will that do?

Hmmm... for some reason, I just envisioned Elisa getting fed up with Matt's Illuminati talk, and gives him a rude gesture while saying something like, "Matt! Illuminate THIS!" I hate such unbidden creativity demons...

Pistoff: I'll check out your new rant as soon as I can... and I believe you have a LOT of base material for more rants.

Wilek: You don't want to meet the Gatekeeper. As soon as something happens, she'll smell like toasted canine...

SOROW: Oh, you got a job? My sympathy... ;)

Well, catch ya later, everyone. Gotta go before shutoff... damn SysAdmins.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:55:58 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Wilek > What, you can't appreciate the attributes of more than one console? ;) Playstation is the first NON-Nintendo product I've ever owned. So far, it's also the only one.

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:36:03 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Pistoff- loved your words on the subject of fanfic; beautiful- took the words right out of my mouth. As for the rant--excellent!!! hit the nail on the head, keep at it! ^_^

LLew-- new story sister? Have to take a lookie right away!!

Taleweaver- thanks!!

Jannie- yeah, I'm getting tired of that stadium and team stuff too, I just igonore it.

all from this end for now..


jenna
Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:31:24 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Pistoff> *stands and applaudes while wiping tear from eye* Beautiful, man... simply beautiful. Your Jock Itch rant hit the nail on the head. The priorities of society have really becomed screwed up!
Houston is currently doing battle over building a new stadium even though we already have the Astrodome and the COMPAQ Center. The owner of the new football team that is coming to Houston will make over a billion dollars and yet we are asked to pay at least 30 million for this stadium. Estimated cost to attend a football game for a family of four will be around $135. O.o
In the meantime and elsewhere in the city.... kids are still using Apple IIE computers - if they are fortunate enough to have computers...teachers are supplying their classrooms with supplies from their own paycheck...teachers are buying playground equipment (balls, jump ropes, etc.) at garage sales or discount stores. Yeeeaaaah Buddy! let's pay for a stadium that we don't need. Like you said, it is a business!! I don't see any company coming into Houston and asking the taxpayers to pay for their building or to maintain the expenses of their company - why should this be any different??? A sports arena does not benefit me in the least, so why should I have to pay for one - especially when we already have two perfectly good ones????
argh! anyway.... great rant! :)
Now, after paying an $87 base rate bill for my phone service... Southwestern Bell and the monopoly that the local phone services have.... O.o *rant material* ;)
Jannie
Thursday, October 28, 1999 08:13:53 AM
IP: 196-121.c.esc4.net

**RP!**

[Somewhere near the west coast, a familiar black Lamborghini cruises toward home, its familiar driver communicating with a familiar voice... Sol: "Griffex, I have an idea. Launch a few seeker probes; I want to know where those lunatics from a while ago are off to." Griffex: "Er...why?" Sol: "Because I have a feeling they're part of something big, something that we'd better set about figuring out how to stop." Griffex: "Hm...should I alert the others?" Sol: "Not just yet. If these two turn out to be little more than asylum escapees, I think I can take them down myself. Besides, I imagine Warner Brothers wants their new Batmobile back; these lunatics appear to have stolen it."]

**PAUSE RP!**

I notice they're showing Gremlins quite a lot on DirecTv this time of year. Hee hee hee...nothing spices up the holidays like a horde of rampaging booger monkeys. :P

Fire Storm> <<E-mail: Ok people, how many e-mail adresses does everyone have?>> Um...one at Yahoo, one at IGNMail, one at CJB, one at mail.com, one at my ISP. I think. <<Cultural Diversity? HERE? NO WAY!>> Oi, can I sympathize. Around where I live, darn near everyone is a Caucasian or a variant thereof. Bloody boring, that.

Kaioto> <<Mea culpa. Mea malafacta.>> Um...'my mistake, my bad' (or something to that effect), right? ^_^

Scott Iskow> <<However... he *was* playing a Playstation, so he couldn't be *that* bad.>> It's tough being a Nintendo loyalist these days. ;)

Christine> Extremely kewl Ramblings. Heh...I'd be almost tempted to do something like that for my own fics, if I could keep it from being a ripoff. :) <<Didn't work on it last night because Becca's sick and so I had to miss work. Poor kid.>> Hope she gets well soon. :(

David G> <<Hi ya'll. I'm just killing time until it will be politically expedient for me to leave work. I did some looking, and found the people who bought White Wolf. Click my name or (in case it doesn't work) go to this site>> Oh ye gods, it's the Society Of Leopold. <shudder> This is bad. This is *very* bad...On a lighter note, I took the political affiliation quiz at their party website. Apparently I'm extremely moderate (and their evaluation of my political beliefs is quite accurate). And here I thought I was conservative. :)

SOROW> <<I FINALLY GOT A JOB!!!!!!!!>> Congratulations! :D What kind of job is it?

Official CR titles> I happen to be the Keeper Of The Keys To Weird Web Sites. Hehehe. (We have a Keymaster, now where's the Gatekeeper? <G>)

Skippy> ACK! I am SO glad you left that place; I think I would have been a raving murderous wreck by then. (Oh, wait...)

Yggdrasil> It...was all...a HOAX?!!! >:O Ooh, somebody gon' DIE.

Jewel> <<Looking at the track record of many of my friends and their choice in men, I truly fear for who they think the "perfect man" for me *is*. Currently, they're looking for a 6 foot-plus blond named Sven (ya mention once that Daddy was a Black Panther and your friends start getting evil gleams in their eyes...) who sings opera. To say I'm afraid of their choice is something of an understatement, actually...>> Ack...nothing is as annoying as matchmaker friends, no? :P (I'm a six-foot-plus blonde, but my name isn't Sven and I sing death ballads instead of opera. Close enough? :P ) <<And if you put him on his stomach when he's vibrating, he looks like he's humping the couch. Which, of course, led me to call him, "humpin' action Pikachu" and my friends to start saying "Pika-pika-pikachu!" in ways the name was not origianlly meant to be said...>> Um...wow. <blink> For once, I'm completely speechless...

Pistoff> Rant> :O <stands and applauds> That...was...INCREDIBLE. That is exactly what I have wanted to scream in the ear of every idiotic school administration official I have ever met (admittedly very few, but oh well). That is the kind of thing that should be framed and affixed to the wall of every public (and private!) education facility in the country. That is...so brilliant...<<God...damn. NICE Joyride! :D>> <bows> Thank you. All in a day's work. >:D

**RESUME RP!**

[The battle with the Phalanx Prime begins in earnest. Wilek and Miriam treat him to large doses of fire from their triad cannon and vortex rifle, Anoth bombards him with lightning and soulfire, Jake is making an impressive effort to pull off one of his tentacles and choke him with it, Teri's looking for an opening so she can jump up and snap his neck, and everyone else is doing whatever it is that they do. Meanwhile, the Administrator has temporarily fallen back to a safer position, so she can let the others distract him while she figures out Prime's shield frequency and summons several heavy combat drones to help in the fight...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, October 28, 1999 07:59:59 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Hi all!!

Skippy:<<I kinow the feeling, I used to work in a warehouse, I don't have any stupid customer stories, just impossible employer stories...>>Thankyou for understanding.*Reads Skippy's ex-employer rant*Man,that was harsh!,I don't blame you for quitting.I hate it when employers start acting like that,it's okay for them they don't have to do the work,they just stay in their warm offices and drink coffee>:(

SOROW:<<I FINALLY GOT A JOB!!!!!!!!>>Good for you!:),what type of job is it may I ask?

Pistoff re Jock itch:BRAVO!!!,you hit the nail right on the head there bud:),more money needs to be spent on more important subjects like history and english and less on sports stadiums and such.

Pistoff again:<<It's kinda similar to "the customer is always right." Heh...NO THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!!!>>Damn strait!!!

Goodnight all!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Thursday, October 28, 1999 07:21:56 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Hi all. I just thought I'd pop in here real quick to let everyone know I havent disappeared again. I have a lot of replies I want to make, but my schoolwork load has suddenly increased drastically (so much so that I'm currently in the computer lab even though it's after 2am *sigh*), so it may be a couple of days more before I get to them. Hopefully I'll have time to catch up on friday night or saturday, but until then... bleh. So, I'll hopefully be back soon, but bye for now.
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 05:04:08 AM
IP: lvl-pc340.usc.edu

Well, new stuff on my site--an addition to the Rant Page. I call this one "Jock Itch." MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Gargoyles' 5th anniversary: Wow, it's been that long? I didn't see the original run of Gargoyles. I saw a thing about it in TV Guide and didn't pay much attention. As soon as I saw the mention of Disney's involvement, I just shrugged it off. I never expected Disney to have anything to do with such a well-written, intelligent show. It wasn't until the summer just before The Goliath Chronicles premiered (and hammered the final nail into the TV series' coffin) that I discovered the show, quite by accident, while channel-surfing. I had just switched to the local Fox affiliate, KLSR, which was showing Gargoyles at that time. At first I said to myself, "What the f--k??" But I kept watching, and watched again the next day, and so on...and I was hooked.

Then the show jumped to ABC--which might as well be called the _other_ Disney Channel--and I saw "The Journey." Not too bad, all things considered. The opening sequence was half-slick high-tech CGI, and half-schlock. The music was pretty cool. The characters were pretty much "in character" and there was an interesting dynamic that was set up, with the gargoyles exposed to the public and the formation of the Quarrymen. It looked like things were gonna get real interesting.

Well, we all know how that turned out. Disney dumbed the show down and sealed its fate. I'm damned thankful we got two years of a good show, and I'm thankful for the fanfic, which not only keeps the show alive in its own way, but also gives us writers an outlet for our creativity. If it weren't for fanfic, nobody would be reading any of my stories while at the same time the magazine editors would continue to reject everything I sent them, and I would've toiled away in obscurity and finally sunk into dispair...and who knows what might've happened after it became too much for me to bear?

So I'm eternally grateful to the fandom and the feedback I've gotten and the support and the friends I've made. Happy anniversary, Gargoyles.

Doug: Thanks for the compliments on the website, and thanks for being understanding about the slowness in feedback. As you could see in my last post, I've still got some RL Bad Craziness going on, but I'm doing everything I can to get caught up. With luck, I'll be able to get you some feedback soon. :) Oh, and I loved that preview of your new fic. Demona on the Conan O'Brien show. Absolutely priceless. Heh, I can just see it--"Hmm, yes, suddenly, we're the biggest thing since Dick Assman...." ;)

The egg auction: Yeesh...that's about all I can say at the moment, since it's past 1:30 AM. Maybe I'll do something for my Rant Page... *g*

SJ: Congrats on getting the scanner! Those things are a lot of fun, aren't they? *g* Glad you like the website. :) Sorry about your family problems. Being called "worthless" by one of your own family...wrong, just plain wrong. I hope things get straightened out soon...and if they don't, feel free to Joyride whoever is responsible. ;)

Dags: Thanks for the compliments, and congrats on getting the new computer. :D

Gattaca: That's the only movie that has ever been able to creep me out completely. So-called scary movies never scare me at all...but this one was just...unnerving....

Jenna: <<uhm, and I the only one who isn't scaried by it??>> Hmmm...apparently. ;)

Jewel: (re: dating) You're right, you meet the assholes everywhere. People who think "no means yes" are among the most aggravating people on the face of the earth. It's kinda similar to "the customer is always right." Heh...NO THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!!! *g* And no means NO! People can be so damned stupid...

Dating: Oh boy...the last time I got anywhere near a girl, she turned out to be such a flake that I couldn't stand to be within 20 feet of her. (Anybody who has read my fic "Love and Bullets" has already seen why I can't stand that twit. ;) Maybe I'll do a Rant about her, too... Anyway, after this particular debacle, I pretty much gave up on the dating thing. There were some possibilities I met online, but my heart was broken every time. Just as I thought we were making that connection--blammo! She'd tell me that she fell for some muscular guy, a football player or a marine or something. So I've pretty much given up on it....

Wilek: God...damn. NICE Joyride! :D

Coyote: Ack! How could I miss that one?? Sorry about your mom's situation. Best of luck to her in finding a new job. :)

Warp: Thanks for the compliments on my first Rant. :D And yes, I'm familiar with the "humans as The Great Diplomats" stuff. Especially on Star Trek...but then, if I start talking about Star Trek, I'll come up with enough material for a dozen Rants... ;) Anyway, if the @$$holes I went to school with are any indication, the "Great Diplomat" thing is right out. ;)

Blue Caeru: I got the Cool Page program from www.softseek.com. Here's the URL for the description of Cool Page: http://www.softseek.com/Internet/Web_Publishing_Tools/HTML_Editors___Visual_WYSIWYG/Review_20732_index.html :)

Ack! There's been a severe storm going all night, and I just started hearing thunder, so I'd better post this and shut down, just in case. I'll catch up with the rest tomorrow, hopefully.

Clickie for the new Rant! :)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 04:55:26 AM
IP: wire-8.koalas.com

I just stopped by to get this off my chest.

One of my classes was cancelled! I went to the administration building and asked if it was and they said "no" so I was happy and went and bought the really expensive book for the class. Then I get a message on my machine telling me that they've cancelled it. Does that suck or what? But it's ok...I'm calm. Breath in, breath out. It just means that I might be stuck in this junior college for at least an extra 8 weeks. :/

Wilek<Reverse order>-Heeeeeeeeey, that's a good idea.

Well I feel better now.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, October 28, 1999 02:26:49 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

***New in the Gargoyles Fanfic Archive***

Ooga-booga! Just in time for Halloween: "Cross My Heart"

(Okay, okay, technically it's not a Halloween story; more of an interpretation of Elisa and Derek's relationship with one another; and, true, it _does_ take place in November--but there is a scary monster in it! Honest!)

Llewwellyn Gaelfire - [llewwellyn@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 02:04:31 AM
IP: ctrts1-11.mrs.umn.edu

DATING(my 2 cen....hundred dollar bills)<j/k: Well I can honestly say that I haven't dated as nearly as much as I have been involved with girls, but here's what I gathered. Perspectives on dating change. Before I went out with SOROW, I only dated girls I knew I could get poonanny from (and if I could get it without actually dating them, it was even better) BUT, my perspectives have changed. After you get so much (you know what), it gets boring, and the need for a relationship becomes meaningless. When I was with SOROW, I would much rather hold her in my arms than F*ck two girls at the same time(not to say that I have or haven't)That's how easily and drastically one's thoughts about dating can change. And, I've seen it happen( even to me.) Dating is also a good way to meet and get to know people as well. Thus, if things don't work out, you might end up gaining a good friend (SOROW). And if a friendship didn't last, the friendship was probably not worth keeping in the first place. Dating shouldn't only be held off to wait for the right person either. The whole idea of dating is to find out what you want in the person that is right for you.( and may be even find the person in the process)But, I will say that nothing is certain in highschool, atleast not the way these krazy kids act today j/k:)

SOROW: Thankyou. That was a very nice thing you said. Hopefully, I'll keep saying those nice comments cause the only reason I say them is cause you deserve it <<<(there's another one...Am I good or what?:)
JOE BOXER - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 28, 1999 01:45:01 AM
IP: spider-wi021.proxy.aol.com

Pistoff: Aiya! What a day! Thank goodness everything turned ok with no one getting killed or anything...sheesh... I think it's time you start asking for hazardous duty pay.

Wilek: Yeah, she did some low stuff. But on the plus side, if she hadn't been such a b, I never would have turned to my imagination as an excape mechanism...and if I hadn't had to grow up with Madame Mood Swing for a parent, I doubt I'd have even half the ability to write psychological insights as I seem to have. Look on the bright side and all that rot.
And as for my friends wanting to set me up...
When most of one's friends are in happy, stable relationships (two engaged, three almost engaged [as intheir boys asked if they can ask in a year or so], and three in brand-spankin' new relationships) they start looking to spread the wealth (ie, see everyone has happy as they are), and especialy to the lone straggler to the bunch to getting involved. They were OK with my line of "I don't want to date in college. I don't need the distraction"...but I can't use that excuse anymore. Luckily, my friends have only *thought* about setting me up...and I daresay they haven't actually tried to because they haven't found the right guy yet. Oh, wait, one of them told me that was the reason. Looking at the track record of many of my friends and their choice in men, I truly fear for who they think the "perfect man" for me *is*. Currently, they're looking for a 6 foot-plus blond named Sven (ya mention once that Daddy was a Black Panther and your friends start getting evil gleams in their eyes...) who sings opera. To say I'm afraid of their choice is something of an understatement, actually...

Warpmind: <g> Are you a 6-foot-plus blond named Sven who sings opera? ;)

SJ: Hey, cynicism is a way of life. ;) Whoa...I just realized I'm cynical and yet considered to be extremely naive and oblivious. Umm, wait...
<g> And you're a *fine* one to talk about not being down on myself about looks. Look at your own comments about "I was a cute kid...what happened?" Anyway, being self-depreciating can be an artform. Although in my case, I think it more stems from complete and total obliviousness. I remember once I tacked a picture of me, my dad, and my big brother on my door when I was a frosh in college, and a day later I had a junior grab me and say, "Ohmigod, who is that hottie in that picture?!!? Can you introduce me to him?!!?" After being highly confused for quite a few minutes, I choked out, "Wait...you mean my big brohter?!!? Toadboy?!!?" "That's your brother? Ohmigod, he's hot." I just started at her in disbelief for a few more minutes. I didn't see it at all. And I look too much like everyone in my family for me to be able to see past that resemblance. But thanks for the compliment (although I'll only concede as far as 'cute,' and that's grudgingly).

Pokemon: <twitch> Pikachu is cute and all, but...hell, whenever I see him, I think of my friend Lauren's Pikachu doll her boyfriend got for her. When you press his hand, his cheeks light up, he starts playing the Pokemon themesong in Japanese, and he starts vibrating. It's really scary (even more so than "Molest Me Elmo"...um, "Tickle Me Elmo"). And if you put him on his stomach when he's vibrating, he looks like he's humping the couch. Which, of course, led me to call him, "humpin' action Pikachu" and my friends to start saying "Pika-pika-pikachu!" in ways the name was not origianlly meant to be said...

Blue Careau: Yeah, the CR does seem a little slow...

SOROW: Congrats on the job!

Aaron: What was wrong with the car?
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 11:58:29 PM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

***BEGIN RP***
Prime was the first to strike. He lashed out with one of his tentacle arms, ending with a viscious stinger, the hideous and deadly appendage aimed straight at the Administrator. With reflexes almost too fast for the eye to register, she swatted it away and fired an assimiliation dart straight at Prime.
It bounced off an unseen force field. Prime laughed. "It'll take you some time to configure your weapons so that they match the frequency of my shield and are able to permeate it. You won't have that time, I assure you." He moved forward swiftly and gracefully, landing a hard punch into the Administrator's midsection, causing the Borg to grunt softly, but it was more surprise than pain.
Prime's head jerked to the side as Kari whacked him upside the head with her spear. The young female warrior put on a show of bravado, even if deep down she was afraid. "C'mon!" she urged. "We all take him down if we work together!"
Inspired by her, the others readied themselves for the battle with their deadly foe...
***END RP***

About this whole White Wolf fiasco...I was horrified last night when I first found out about it. I literally figured it was the end for the company, and that line of thinking was enforced when I found the White Wolf site down this morning. Then I went on the newsgroup and got a message from Bruce Baugh, one of the main writers for the company, and he informed us fans that indeed, it was all a hoax, one that he and many others were not in on. Judging by the response from most of the other WW fans out there, they were NOT amused. In fact, most are PISSED. I know I am. Do the idiots behind this joke realize that we've been dicked around with so much, that we believed it totally? Better publicity stunts have been done than this crap. This isn't the way to get someone to buy your stuff.
BTW, Hunter: the Reckoning should be in stores next week. I'm gonna probably buy it, but remember: it's NOT a 2nd edition of Hunter's Hunted. You probably won't be playing your standard witch hunters; all signs point to the Hunters being "more than human" the ways that mages are "more than human", and they'll primarily be fighting the new legions of Risen and zombies that emerged with the Ends of Empire. Vamps are next on the list, though.

Kitiana: What are you, psychic? Cause you actually hit the proverbial nail on the head--Fox is indeed replacing Ryan Caulfield and Harsh Realm with some of their primetime schlock. I think movies will ultimately replace the shows, but as of now they'll be showing some of those classic "World's Most Shocking Moments" and "When Animals Attack!" shows. Yecch.
BTW, can you and Doug email me your RP plans, for the immediate (or long-term) future? It kind of coincides with something I'll be doing in my RP. Thanks ;)

SOROW: Well, like I said before, while I may have been a cute kid, I grew up and became...well, not terribly photogenic ;0) So I want to come up with some "cool" pics of me to slap on the web. Gotta keep an image here! ;)

Pistoff: Thanks for the fics, and your kind words on the photo. I can only hope my future, "modern day me" pics will be in a similar bad-as-all-hell--kick-ass-and-don't-even-bother-takin'-names style as your recent photos ;)

Blue: I know it's a rather extreme, Pat Buchananish view to to *enforce* the official language, but I have to admitt, on some levels I think it's needed. Let me give an example. I'm a Administration of Justice major in college; part of my grade for a certain class it to go and observe such things as court cases. I went to court this past Monday to see a few simple arraignments, bond hearings, and criminal trials. Some of the defendants were Hispanic gentlemen, which is not uncommon because my area has a rather sizeable Latin community. I have no problem with that, I love it actually. Part of what makes this nation so great is that we aren't just one culture; we're several unified together. But some of these latin gentlemen had been in the country for as long as SEVEN years, and they STILL could not speak the language. At that point, I have to draw the line. I mean, personally, If I was to live in another, non-English speaking country for longer than, say, a *month*, I'd make a very concerted effort to learn the language, as much as I could. But seven years? That's way to long, in my book. I honestly apologize to you if that offends you, I don't mean it too. It is just frustrating to not be able to communicate with some members of my own community, whom I consider my neighbors.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 11:44:40 PM
IP: 207-172-33-24.s24.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

*glances around the CR*
Is the page not properly loading for me or has it been a bit quieter than usual tonight?

Doug> Thanks for the email. :-) I guess I feel better now.
Blue Caeru - [BlueCaeru@cs.com]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 11:03:46 PM
IP: spider-wc012.proxy.aol.com

Greetings.

White Wolf Publishing has not been sold!

It was all a publicity stunt in order to promote their now game Hunter. I appologize for my previous post. At the time where it was posted the information on the "buyer" was not on the web site.

According to the hoax the company was bought by a group dedicated to eliminating the supernatural influence from our government. For fans of the White Wolf line this is very much like the creedo of the Witch Hunter.

Upon reading this it became clear that this was a publicity stunt and that White Wolf has not been sold. White Wolf later confirmed this.
Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:32:29 PM
IP: 209.167.129.2

Lepreachuans> Try NBC's website. They are the network that's airing the movie.
taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:11:17 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

SOROW-- Congrads girl!!! ^_^

Question for any one-- I have heard of a movie coming our called Leperechans that is about a war between the leprechans and the fairies. It's supposed to come out in Nov. Does anyone know about this?? I tried to find a link but nada..
jenna
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 09:48:50 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-196.hstntx.swbell.net

Xanathar
<<<"Picture the scene if you will...It's 8 o'clock in the morning and I was working in the storeroom at Bi-Lo(the shop where I work)taking a delivery of fourteen pallets of stock(stock pallets vary in weight depending on whats been loaded on to them and we use "manually operated pallet jax's" to move them)and another five trucks waiting in line to make their deliveries,when this customer walks into the storeroom(ignoring the fact that the sign above the door that says "staff only")and utters the question that I have grown to hate over the years"exuse me,do you work here?".

Me(Trying to move a half ton pallet of Coke at the time)No!,hauling heavy pallets is a hobby of mine!*dripping sarcasim*>>>

I kinow the feeling, I used to work in a warehouse, I don't have any stupid customer stories, just impossible employer stories...

***WARNING! A WHY I HATE MY EX-EMPLOYER RANT!****

What lead to my quiting was a set of new rules they installed into my part of the operation. I was the single individual responsible for pulling and packing international orders at this place (a medical supply company) I admit I was probably slacking off at the job slightly after being stuck in it for over a year. But their response to a few incorect orders IMO was ludicrous!

for some reason, the international people wanted every individual itme in the boxes labeled. Considering that the average box of needles contains 100 and that I am pulling 20 to 30 boxes per order typicaly, that's something like 3000 needle packages they have to put a label on! So, suddenly an order that took me two or three days to complete now took a whole week. Thankfuly I wasn't doing the labeling, but having this kind of intrusion into my work was just damn annoying.

But what really broke the camel's back was the thirty or so pallets that had been sitting in the warehouse for 2 weeks then one Friday she tells me THEY HAVE TO GO AIR FREIGHT THIS AFTERNOON!!! Since that entails breaking the pallets down and making sure they are less than 42" tall (and all of them are at least double that) when that is combined with the fact that my usual staging area is full up with an order being labeled that could have gone three days ago if I had done it the old way, it's safe to say that I am in a most sour mood... THE MY BOSS HAS THE AUDACITY TO COME UP AND TELL ME THAT I SHOULD AT LEAST LOOK LIKE I WANT TO BE HERE!!!! That was it, I told the general manager that I have had enough and I will not be coming back Monday...

I am a quite individual and it honestly suprised a lot of people I was running off like that, I honestly didn't care enough to worry what they thought. I walked away and never bothered to care about the plaxce ever again.

To end the day on a really depressing note I went and saw that asteroid movie Deep Impact after work :)

Still I ended up with the job I have now, and I am happy with where I am, though I wish I could actually get some money saved up. But things have not been that bad since then...
Skippy The Klingon
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 09:28:46 PM
IP: uv1-59.ultravision.net

Not a lot of time this evening, just passing through ... coupla comments, though ...

Baby Fey: Nice to see ye again.

Thanks all who have wished my mother luck in getting a new job. She appreciates the support, and so do I.

Fire Storm: After working in auto retail for a year, I can tell you definitely that yes, 100 cubic centimeters comes to a liter. I know this because most import engines' displacements are measured in cubic *millimeters* ... and some domestics as well (Oldsmobile markets a "3800" engine ... 3800 is the engine's displacement in cubic millimeters, which comes out to 3.8 liters.).
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 08:41:12 PM
IP: modem64.i-is.com

Sorry I didn't post yesterday, but if you want to go through hell... work on a Pre Calculus project for four weeks! And on a happy note... I FINALLY GOT A JOB!!!!!!!!

Stormy> I didn't know you and Dylan are together! I can see why you two go so well. And "Immortal Beloved" is one of my favorite fics too :)

SJ> AWWWWWW... what an adorable picture! Are you going to post a recent pic for us? I gotta know where all my spanks are going! ;)

Spike> I finished "The Last Gargoyle" and I loved it! You cease to amaze me.

Warp> CR Joyride Chronicler?! I LOVE IT! And don't forget that I'm CR Spanker... heheheh. And isn't your birthday on Friday, or did I miss it? Darn, I can't remember!

All these topics (egg adoption, dating) are a little off-base for me. But I will say that the sweetest things I've ever heard said to me are from Mr. Joe Boxer in here :)
SOROW
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 08:06:10 PM
IP: dll2b203-33.splitrock.net

NEW FANFIC > Check out "Seeds" at the archive. :)


Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 07:24:53 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Mononoke fans: CLick on my name to see an article on it by salon.com.

And for any Alan Moore fans ("The Watchmen") they have an article on his "From Hell" series being published in a graphic novel.
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 06:10:28 PM
IP: 199.196.144.12

Did a little site tracking too ... their org site is password protected ... hm ... suspicious as hell.
Toku Kaioto
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 05:53:43 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Just realized it woman warrior month in November. The release of Princess Mononoke and Joan of Arc: the Messenger.


and my birthday--

go fig.:P
jenna
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 05:47:32 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

My first reaction to these Anonymous-Liberty guys:

"Alright, Libertarians, my people!"

I continue to read ...

"Ah ... OK ... so they're a little strange, like all of us."

Continued ...

"Wait just a darn minute. This ain't right. Anonymous, but give us all your personal information? Get my E-mail address instead of my name ... so you can get my info from Yahoo or something? So you can have me spammed? WTF?"

Continue to concussion.

OK, why the hell am I supposed to trust these guys? Jeez! They are looking like the oldest government trick in the book, "Everybody's out to get us, it is just you and me, buddy. We got to trust eachother implicitly or the Man will get us," Wow, does this smell any more like a government/megacorporate spying trap or what? Jeez, anyone truly as paranoid as they claim to be with half a brain would know better than to fill out their survey. Either you aren't paranoid and fill it out, or you are and you are stupid.

*rolls his eyes* Wow, what a bunch of crazies. It is one thing to take responsibility for your choices, it is quite another to escape the consequences of those choices. Criminals thrive on both publicity (politics) and anonymity (murder). These guys are sounding nuts, like I said.

Jeez. On that note of paranoia, if I were a psycho myself I'd half expect these guys are being backed by Wizards of the Coast to scare off everyone from White Wolf since Steve Jackson threatened to sue WoTC for trying at a monopoly. *L*

These guys are NOT inspiring a lot of confidence in me as either a libertarian, or a gamer.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 05:43:10 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Hi ya'll. I'm just killing time until it will be politically expedient for me to leave work. I did some looking, and found the people who bought White Wolf.
Click my name or (in case it doesn't work) go to this site

anonymous-liberty.com/

This is an ...interesting development.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 04:57:02 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Aaron <got my car fixed, hope everything else falls in to line> I'll keep my talons crossed for ya bud.
jenna
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 04:41:15 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Warp de- reg <my only fan is one Jennifer Garcia> Ahem, that's me. That's my full legal name..:P

fanletters I get-- I love em' who doesn't? I print them out and reread them whenever I feel discourgaed, ect. I love responses to my work, esp. since I am relatively new at fanfic writing. I had a six year writer's block and so now, that I'm actually writing again, I love any letter I get. I try to write as many letter out too. I like responding with other writers, and it's sprung a good many friendship

Pistoff-- about the oven and other shift--- Ugh, my sympathies you poor guy !! YUCK!! hopeing to sign your guestbook once I'm done here. good you have your stories up--

nothing very exciting here, other wise. Reading CS Lewis's space trilogy- got it on good ol ebay, and working on site updates..
jenna
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 04:39:42 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Christine > Great rambles, as usual! It's always interesting to know what goes on in another writer's head... and this is as close as anyone can get!


Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 04:01:41 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

great white wolf sells the company right before they release the hunters rules! i was going to run a "anita blake" kind of game when they came out with that set grrr<resisting the urge to kill> well there is always Ad&d
ironwolf
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 03:42:34 PM
IP: host-209-214-40-89.cha.bellsouth.net

Just a quick post today. I got my car back. Now if I could just get everything else to fall into line...

Warpmind> Elves vs. Orcs. Hee hee. I like that.

FS>Glad you liked the Pokemon bit. Wish I could say I came up with it.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 03:36:00 PM
IP: ppp-238.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Greetings

I don't have much time but I just wanted to advise any RPG players out there that White Wolf Game Studios has been sold!

There isn't any info on what will be happening with the White Wolf game line(Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Wraith, Changeling and Hunter)and more details will be coming soon. check the White Wolf Site for more details.
Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 01:29:25 PM
IP: 209.167.129.44

Oops, that last one should've been white ...
Forgot some stuff:

Wilek > no, no, I'm talking about the people who _like_ my stories! ; )

Stephen > sorry Sunday didn't work out! Hey, maybe you guys can make another trip for the Book Fest!

Scott > thanks to your reminder, I finished my Rablings! ; ) All caught up now!

Fic stuff > "The Boy With the Healing Hands" is coming along. Didn't work on it last night because Becca's sick and so I had to miss work. Poor kid.

Warpmind > a Party on Avalon? Oh, good, please do! And I'm hoping to see some more filks from you!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 12:37:05 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

New on my site:
Updated my "Ramblings"
Added a pic of Puck and Gossamer by Amy da Tigger
Posted "Blood of the Jedi," a new Star Wars fic for adult eyes only
Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 12:28:38 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Toku Kaioto i not sure where lez is located but this has worked for friends of mine in isolated areas. tell her to check with the local phone company. many small and all of the large phone companies are offeringing internet conections, and you get a local number. now they might not have all the bells and whistles that aol or mindspring have but they will get you to the net.
hope this helps back to work sigh
ironwolf
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:31:25 AM
IP: host-216-78-82-3.cha.bellsouth.net

Monster Rancher > To quote the commercial (with moderate disgust): "Yaaaaaaay!!!!!! It's here, it's here, it's here!!!!!!"

*** BEGIN SELF-RIGHTEOUS RANTING ***

Being sucked into a video game is hardly original. Also, knowing that the characters are only "digital" (or whatever) doesn't make me care for them very much. The characters on "Pokemon" are much more interesting. The show has *heart*, and somehow (with Ash's intense determination, struggles, and ambitions) speaks to me on a more human level.

At first, I thought "Pokemon" the show was stupid, because I just didn't understand the deal behind all the monsters. It took me a while, but I figured out that the show's not *about* the monsters. The monsters are the *sidekicks*.

Now, I haven't watched "Digimon" or "Monster Rancher" enough to determine whether or not the monsters are the stars, or the humans. I've seen enough "Digimon" to know that I have no idea where the characters are going, or what their goal is. They're just walking around and meeting people/things. I saw the first episode of "Monster Rancher" and saw a kid forsaking reality for his precious, precious fantasy world. The kid seemed completely oblivious and his misplaced enthusiasm was really annoying. However... he *was* playing a Playstation, so he couldn't be *that* bad.

*** END SELF-RIGHTEOUS RANTING ***

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:25:58 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Warpmind: I'm sorry about stepping on your Latin quote. It's been two years now since I've been able to take a course in it, so I'm slightly jonesing over it at times ya' know? Mea culpa. Mea malafacta.

... must ... restrain ... urge ... to ... translate ... :)
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 09:55:53 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Kaioto> *shoots him with a water pistol in the face* :-) I don't tend to focus on one particular aspect anyway; I prefer to look at the whole package, thank you very much. *g* And I mean editing as in the way the story was being told. Some things seemed to go by too quickly or weren't fully explained because scenes had to be cut for time constraints.

Pistoff> Being a weenie when it comes to technical matters, I was wondering where you got that program to help you make your webpage. I don't know if I'll ever manage to set up my own, but I'll continue to entertain the thought. :-)

SJ> Well, um, enforcing the official language is kind of an odd idea to me. Yes, new immigrants should definitely make an effort to learn the language of the country they will be residing in for the forseeable future, but _forcing_ people to learn it? Er... Okay, I'm probably just acting too serious. I'm not attacking you personally. I was just wondering _how_ and should it could be enforced. :-P

Harsh Realm> I only managed to watch the first episode, but it seemed interesting enough. Too bad it's being cancelled.

Kit and Doug> Good luck with your exams!

Speaking of exams, things would be a lot nicer for me if my family wasn't making me go visit home only 3 weeks before Thanksgiving. Sorry, but my own family annoys me when I have to spend a lot of time with them. And my entire childhood was enforced with "family closeness" with my younger sisters. Eecchh. Sorry about the whining.
Blue Caeru
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 09:52:36 AM
IP: smathersl1.uflib.ufl.edu

Warpmind: Does 100 cubic centimeters equal 1 liter?

Aaron: <Followed by two hours of Pokemon basically beating the crap out of each other. >
Man, after reading that I couldn't stop laughing!

Scott Iskow: <Monster Rancher>
Actually, I like this show better than Pokemon
Why don't you people like monster rancher?

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.: <WHY?!?>
The answer to that question, my friend, is the secret of life.

Fan Mail: Well, the main reason I don't send it is, well... what do you say to the masters? Given, I don't read much fan-fic (mainly only Merlin Missy, Christine, Spike and TGS), and how do you compliment the best writers in the fandom?
The wierdest thing is that *I* get fan-mail from people saying that they really like my stories. Now thats just wierd!

Jannie: Well, it's because no one really cares about Gore. Hell, I really haven't heard much about him in the past 6 years!

Green Baron: <Any volunteers :) >
Are you telling me there wern't any volunteers at G99?

E-mail: Ok people, how many e-mail adresses does everyone have? Personally, I have 4. No... Well... ok, ok...
I personally have 4
LM has 1
We share 2

Blue Caeru: <*A* Fabio-lookalike>
A female Fabio? Hmm.... NO NO NO NO NO! EVIL THOUGHT!

SJ: <I suppose I should keep my fingers crossed, huh? ;p >
Well, you got it working. Thats VERY good!
As far as shopping, there are large supermarkets (Farmer Jack's) 2 miles, 3 miles, and 10 miles from me, and 3 Meijers (another large store) 12 miles from me. And all are open late at night! Yeah!
Cultural Diversity? HERE? NO WAY! Most of the people within 5 miles of me are Arabic (What country, I do not know). Everyone else is a minority.

Kitania: <Could I please have a real answer to my EMP question?>
To quote Greg: I have already answered this question. Check the archives. <G>
Truth be told, though, the ability to harness EMP waves could help me achieve quite a few ideas and dreams (Those I will NOT tell for a few years, or until I have started implimenting those plans, which ever come first.)
And no, my plans are non-violent.

Toku Kaioto: <ISP>
Check my link.
or
http://thelist.internet.com/

Pissy: <Nothing like starting the evening with a bang. ;) >
Be glad your night didn't END with a bang.
Should he REALLY be allowed to live? Maybe the next time he does that, send him in with a Zippo.

Wilek: <O_O 90% of all Mustek scanners didn't work?! :O Is the company even still in business?!! >
Well, the same could be said for:
Xerox Inkjet Printers.
E-machine computers sold between Febuary and March 1999

Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 09:40:18 AM
IP: 216.90.45.161

**RP!**

[The team looks in despair at the Phalanx Prime's new form. Wilek: "Oh, shoot..." Jake: "We're all gonna die..." Although some are a little more optimistic. Administrator: "No matter what form he takes, he is an inferior life form and will be destroyed. Even in the unlikely event that I am neutralized, the Borg will continue." The others think for a moment about that perplexing statement before joining the battle....]

**PAUSE RP AND BEGIN STARSHIP TROOPERS SPOILERS!**

Great episode. I had no idea the Marines were in the habit of recruiting psychics. :) Impressive scene with the bug hive, and...the bug starship is one of the kewlest things I've ever seen. I wonder if there will be more of them in coming eps. ^_^

**END**

T. J. Veil> <<Gattaca is a movie from several years back that took place about thirty to forty years down the road. In it there are two classes of people: valids and invalids. The valids are people who were genetically engineered to a point(if I remember correctly they would choose one egg from the mother and one sperm from the father that would provide the child with the wanted abilities). The invalids were the children born naturally. The invalids were pretty much reduced to menial labor such as janitors and had poorer living conditions.>> Eek...no wonder people are scared of this thing...

Blomkvist> Welcome. I would mention the confiscation of your sanity here, but I have a feeling that's taken care of. ;)

Fire Storm> <<We had a 90% return rate on those things.>> O_O 90% of all Mustek scanners didn't work?! :O Is the company even still in business?!!

Warpmind> <<You and I should someday join forces... my luck is the precise opposite: A Lot Of Freaky Stuff Happens Around Me, and I am the one you can be SURE suffers no direct consequences, save the possible vengefulness of those unfortunate enough to surround me. Someone throws a snowball at me, you can be certain that I sneeze, and the ball hits the person next to me. I stay away from school with a case of the flu, and you can be sure that something freaky happens at school...>> Hehehahahaha! Maybe we *should* join forces--I could redirect my weird luck into everyone else in the vicinity, use it as a weapon...we could do little more than walk into a place and have it fall apart around us...muhahahaha!!!! >:D <<Oh, and I am not reminded of any Pokémon by Ye Tome of Lovecraftian Roleplay... but that is only because we don't have Pokémon in Norway yet... in any size, shape or flavour. Can you possibly IMAGINE why I have such negative feelings about my own homeland?>> No Pokemon at all?! Eesh....first the overly strict medical community, and now this...ack...Anyhow, the reason Daoloth reminds me of Missingno is that neither has a consistent appearance and both have a viral affect on their surroundings. Weird, huh? :) I wonder how many Pokemon are really Lovecraft beasties...or perhaps vice versa? <chuckles as he imagines a Nightgaunt Pokemon> <<When your New World Order... hey, think you could fix me a job, giving me direct command over Europe, or at least Scandinavia? I've got a bone to pick with their politicians, Tax Politics in particular...>> Possibly. Hehehe. <<Dat was a MARVELOUS Joyride...>> <bows> Thank you, thank you very much. ^_^ <<I see that whoever this Blomkvist fellow is, he is to be ignored. Blomkvist is my RL(?) name, and whoever typed that comment is a worthless humanoid impersonating me (or so he believes) and quite deserving an up-close-and-personal demonstration of... well, I dunno... Dim Mak? Nah, maybe a little too harsh... hmmm... but, I figure I cna at least give him a few aching joints through nerve manipulations...>> Or perhaps he's an alternate personality...? That's happened to me sometimes. <<By the way, nice party, Spike. Any chance of inviting me to the next one?>> Come to think of it, Spike...on second thought, never mind; every party I go to ends up turning into a battlefield...

Spike> <L> Great pic. :) (Oh, and I ROTLFMTO when I realized exactly why Brooklyn was in disco gear...)

Scott Iskow> <<"Big Guy and Rusty" and "Spider-man Unlimited" are being dropped, along with "Harsh Realm.">> What?! <snif> I rather liked Big Guy and Rusty...

Fan Mail> Heh...I am *really* bad about this. Often, if I like a fic, I'm in the bad habit of posting it here in the Comment Room instead of actually mailing someone. Don't know why. Heh...although, someone I've always wanted to send fanmail to, but never got around to it, is... H.R. Giger. Heh. Oh well, he's in my address book, if I ever work up the nerve...

Coyote> <<**gets sudden image of the "Sperm 100 Meter Hurdles" in Sydney next year ...**>> I think I just did too...ecchh...

Jannie> Al Gore quotes> O_O I had no idea...

Jewel> <<I suppose I can thank years of being told I was fat and forced onto diets by my mom--never mind that I'm a whopping size 14.>> What...? I knew she was despicable, but...<shudder> That is *really* low... <<especially when one's friends have decided that it's time to Find Jewel A Man (tm)...help...>> Eek...heh, maybe you should make it your business to try and drive off every male your friends try to stick you with? >8)

Christine> <<The part that often boggles me is when said people say something to the tune of how they've wanted to write to me for *yea* months and haven't dared ... I'm not that scary, honest!>> Maybe they've read your Scooby Doo fic... :P j/k! :D

Baby Fey> Hey, welcome back! :D

SJ> <<While it was previously reported that both "Spider-Man Unlimited" and "Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot" were canceled, this is not the case. Fox Kids has backtracked now and said that both shows will return, but no definitive date is set, and Fox said they will be placed at times where they can "find" their "respective audiences". This probably means the geniuses at Fox will stick them at the 6 a.m. block.>> Eh? <sigh> At least they're not being cancelled, but...they didn't need to be rescheduled...<<I've just been informed that the White Wolf gaming company has been bought by *shudder* an internet company.>> What...? <blink> That doesn't sound good...

$Kitainia> Ooh, the bad guys on a joyride of their own? I like this...hehehe...$

Kaioto> <<Does anybody out there know an ISP in the Midwest that might be of some assistance? Liz-chan is having problems finding a local carrier. No matter what I try, they don't offer local calls outside of major metropolitan areas for their servers. The last thing Liz-chan needs are more calls to Milwaukee. *growls* We are trying to look into AOL, but the last person in West Bend to use them had to jump through some serious hoops to get a local number, and Liz-chan has terrible luck calling in anything computer or net related for customer service.>> Hm...there's a list of ISPs sorted by area code at http://thelist.internet.com/areacode.html. Hope it helps. :) (Oh, and stay away from AOL as though your very soul depended on it.)

Pistoff> <<I went to work at 8:30 AM to make the dough, and guess what I found when I opened the door? The idiot who closed the night before FORGOT TO TURN THE OVEN OFF!!!!! He did, however, remember to turn off the vent. That's a propane oven. So by the time I got there, the inside of the building was really warm, really stinky, and the slightest spark would've taken out half the block. The edge of the front door is metal, and so is the doorframe. It that had made a spark when I opened it, the remains of my charred corpse would've been blown into the bay.>> :O Eeeek! If i'd walked into a place full of propane gas...ack, I think I would have walked right out again. (Either that or set a time-delay firebomb, if I had a job like that. >8D ) <<I had to cover part of another driver's shift. Why? He had gotten in a fight with his roommate, that's why. Turns out he and some buddies were drinking, and he fell on his roommate's coffee table and broke it. Well, the roommate went into a rage, grabbed his guitar and smashed the windshield out of this guy's truck--then grabbed a 2x4, went back into the house and smashed him in the face with it. Broke the guy's nose in three places, broke his glasses, sliced his face all up, left shards of glass in his eyes. So I got to work part of his shift. Today was supposed to be my day off, but guess what? Yes, that's right--I ended up having to work because this guy was still FUBAR on painkillers.>> Um...what? <GRR> Sometimes I wonder how ppl like this have survived for as long as they have without drinking from any container with a skull on it... DC Torment> Sick, wrong, twisted, disgusting, and downright evil. Very kewl. >:) <<The boss told me, "I get to fire everybody--including myself!" I got to pick the reason for being fired, too. First thought was, "Hmm...fired 'cause I beat up a customer?" She said that was too extreme, so I settled for "being rude to a customer." She said, "_That_ they'll believe." ;)>> Hee hee! OH, that would be great fun. I think my reason for being fired would be...let's see...ritual sacrifice on company time. >:) <<Once I reach the point where I need to use HTML for fine-tuning things, I'll definitely need help. *g*>> There are a lot of HTML pointers at www.htmlgoodies.com. :) Oh, and *masterful* rant page. <G>

Xanathar> <<Forgot to mention last night,great Joyride>:)>> Why thank you. ^_^

**RESUME RP! This one's kinda long...**

[Asil and Storm Eagle careen about in their stolen Batmobile, passing a black Lamborghini. Asil exults from the driver's seat, "Hey, this guy looks promising. Why don't we make him our first recruit, eh? <hehehe> Hey! You in the sports car! Pull over, we got a deal for you!" The driver, a twentyish human male in very dark sunglasses, a leather jacket, and jeans, casts a dubious expression in the general direction of the two lunatics in the other car, and speeds up to get away from them. Storm Eagle: "We don't take no for an answer!" With that, Asil proceeds to run the Lamborghini off the road, and get out to maim its occupant. He leaves his own car, carrying an elegant-looking black walking stick that looks quite at odds with his casual appearance, and asks of them, "What is it you two want? I have a *lot* to do." Asil: "Any reason why you turned down the opportunity to work with the future rulers of the world? <hehehe>" Other guy: "Because you're obviously quite insane. If you'll excuse me..." He starts back toward his car, when Storm Eagle gets in his way. Eagle: "You're either with us, or against us. And if you're against us..." She charges up an energy bolt and throws it right at the guy--who, suddenly, isn't there, and the charge almost hits Asil. "Will you watch it with those things?!" Eagle: "But he was right th--OOF!" Eagle's been hit in the head from behind--by the guy who just disappeared? "Ladies, it isn't nice to run people off the road and attack them. Why don't you try, oh, a polite e-mail or somesuch?" Asil snarls and fires off a shot from her BFG--which again fails to hit its mark, thanks to its target being not where he was a moment ago. Asil: "What the--" She then falls down, thanks to a spinning kick to her knees delivered from behind, by--that same guy? Eagle: "Can't you stay in one place?!" "I happen to think the idea of 'one place' is an illusion." He then picks up the BFG that Asil dropped. "Impressive toy. I could do a lot with this..." Asil, now back on her feet, knocks it out of his hands. "Claws off, geek boy, it's *mine*." "As you wish. If that's all, I'll be going now." He starts back toward his car, when Asil leaps at him from behind, intending to feed him his liver. She recieves a walking stick to the gut for her trouble. Asil and Eagle, now limping and gasping, hurry back to their car and speed off, knowing they're outmatched. The guy presses a button on a wristwatch-looking communications device he's wearing. "Guys, it's me." A voice answers, "Griffex here. What's happened?" "I just had a run-in with a gargoyle and a magess. They're not usually this hostile. I'm thinking of going after them and giving them what for..." Griffex: "In my humble opinion, Sol, they're most likely not worth it." "You're probably right. Although I think we'd better keep an eye on them, just in case..."]

**END**
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 08:26:49 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

*BUFFY AND ANGEL SPOILERS *

I rather liked both episodes last night. The Halloween episode was very funny - I got a chuckle out of Giles' method of getting into the haunted house and out of Anya's costume. Unlike Kitaina, I didn't have any problem with the demon being so small; I found it funny as well, and I think that it made a good statement about how fear turns out to be not so fearsome when you confront it head on. (I also liked the bit at the end about the "actual size" caption).

Willow's dressing up as Joan of Arc particularly intrigued me, since one of Doug Elder's fanfics portrayed Joan as a pre-Buffy Slayer before she entered the Hundred Years' War.

As for "Angel" - I definitely considered the antagonist in that episode one of the creepiest ones yet. Although, I couldn't help thinking, when Cordelia talked about the name Jensen not sounding terribly appropriate for an international firm - "On behalf of my surname, hey!" :)

*SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 08:00:46 AM
IP: 216.87.46.93.dialup-stl.primary.net

Hi all!!

Wilek:Forgot to mention last night,great Joyride>:)

Jannie:Loved the AL Gore quotes:),whilst I don't know much about American politics,I get the impression Al Gore would press the nuke button thinking it was the room service button or something.<G>

Oracle:As a side note to this whole "supermodel eggs" topic. They are not supermodels. They are models>>Ouch!,Sorry,my bad:(


**Stupid customer story**

Picture the scene if you will...It's 8 o'clock in the morning and I was working in the storeroom at Bi-Lo(the shop where I work)taking a delivery of fourteen pallets of stock(stock pallets vary in weight depending on whats been loaded on to them and we use "manually operated pallet jax's" to move them)and another five trucks waiting in line to make their deliveries,when this customer walks into the storeroom(ignoring the fact that the sign above the door that says "staff only")and utters the question that I have grown to hate over the years"exuse me,do you work here?".

Me(Trying to move a half ton pallet of Coke at the time)No!,hauling heavy pallets is a hobby of mine!*dripping sarcasim*

Customer*confused look*Huh?

Me*Smacks self on the face and looks up at the ceiling wondering what I did to desserve this*

**End story**

*sighs*,I needed to get that of my chest and belive me,my day only got worse.

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 07:45:17 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Hi, guys. Now, it is time for a lengthy post of replies... you have been warmed... uh, warned.

Fan Mail: Uh, I think I got mail from one fan... *Scratches head* If I could just access my server right now... I think it was from Jennifer Garcia... Well, naturally, me saying I got mail from one fan does exclude the dialogue between Christine and myself in the past, present and future. (Hey, while I'm at it, thanks for the pep talks, Christine!)

As I said: Nice party pic, Spike. I'd love to see myself in the next one. ;)

Aaron: You've got some undesirable genes, too? Heh, I'm probably one of the lucky ones on the planet... I've got a bona fide diagnose, and I am thus labeled "anomaly", which does have its benefits. Like about ten grand a year in social services... *Chuckles* But fortunately, the manner of my anomaly allows me to function ALMOST like a "normal" person, with only slight social defects... and on a side note: Over the last few centuries, particularly in psychology and psychiatry, there has been made definition after definition of what is "anomalous" and "abnormal". Since the dawn of time, there has been made NO definition whatsoever of what can be considered "normal". And after all, only about 900 out of 10000 people worldwide are defined as "normal". This is, most likely, because they haven't been so fortunate as to be diagnosed yet...

*Looks at Stormy's comment about dating and love*
Hmmm, for some reason, I am reminded of a Callahan's Quote... "He learned about sex by trial and error. Now they have him on trial for one or two of those errors." Not that I myself even see the connection, mind you... But man learns through observation, trial and error. Or not at all. And in matters of love... most never learn ANYthing, since such emotions generally overrides logic.

Stephen R. Sobotka: So, your body type isn't what women look for first? Well, if it's any consolation, you and me both, pal. While the wit is quite convenient for Stage Two of the Legendary Seduction, the Flesh is the key to stage one... and while I'm anything but fat, believe you me, having a chest the same width as the waistline (found to better word for it, though I suspect that there is a more masculine term for it) is obviously NOT a valuable asset...

Ironwolf: Not just cowboys are mostly in hiding, bud. Us knights are mostly gone, too. "Chivalry ain't dead. It's just... (cough) very... (gasp) badly... (choke) injured."

Egg auction: For some reasons, I can't help envisioning supermodels hatching...

Peer Gynt? Do I see traces of Norwegian pieces of culture, seeping into this noble CR? Ugh. That play brings back a lot of baaaad memories... from fifth grade. I was so thoroughly emotionally scarred that I have a lot of problems reading ANYthing from that era... A lot of nice music, though. Grieg WAS a skilled and cunning composer...

Jannie: Al Gore managed to mess up ALL THAT in so little time as THIS DECADE? Whew, makes one wonder what makes politicians tick...

Green Baron: I agree with you somewhat about what appearance consists of; the way I see it, beauty is not skin deep: It is made up of flesh and spirit. Someone may look like, pardon my saying so, Roland, the rogue gargoyle, and still be pleasant to stay around. Me, I don't put to much emphasis on good looks (well, I try, at least) and try to judge people by their attitudes and actions, rather than the color of their hair, the size of their bras, or other such outward things. Of course, there are certain outward traits that I can't help noticing, that I myself find appealing; a particular gleam in the eyes, a pretty smile, the oh-so-important symmetric features that EVERYONE looks for, regardless of gender, race or even species, fur... oh, and her response to how I somehow manage to cleanse my windpipe with my toenails every time I start talking to someone... But let's face it, somewhere, there's a nice, pleasant girl who'd rather have an honorable guy than someone who looks like DiCrappio...

Jewel: Your friends are trying to set you up with a man? Hmmm... pity we obviously don't live anywhere near each other, or else Id suggest we could team up for a so-called "mercy date", just to keep our "friends" off our backs. (Yes, I occasionally have the same problem. Luckily, it has only occured twice or thrice in my life...)

Toku Kaioto: Hmmm, I enjoyed the game, "Companions of Xanth", maybe I should read the books? Such forms of literature isn't exactly readily available over here (and I just keep thanking any deity I can think of for the fact that those books haven't been translated), and thus... but while you're still there... I should have specified that YOU were "unwelcome" to try to translate my latin comment... only because I should have known you to translate it as soon as you saw it... and now you've probably ruined the fun for the others...

Scott Iskow: Being antisocial in a Comment Room? That's not a paradox, it's damn near a PRIVILEGE! *Blinks* Whoa, I just had a TERRIBLE vision: by 2100, the world will be populated by two groups of humans; the frail but good-looking ones, and the strong, but ugly ones... *shudder* Is that where we're headed? It'll be the Elves agains the Orcs...

Blue Caeru: Anytime. Glad to be supportive.

Shogun Raptor: You call that a Joyride? Alas, it seems you may have failed to grasp the very concept of it... but maybe we'll make room for you in the car, no? I think there's some space left in the trunk, the back seat is pretty crowded these days... ;) Nice thought, though.

Christine: There's just a month left until the Deadline for Avalon Mists? *Slaps forehead* And I have got a Party On Avalon episode (directly interwoven in my saga, mind you) stuck on my hard drive? Well, it seems I must make sure to send you "Monky Business" one of these days, then... And the pun is intentional, mind you...

Sevarius Jr.: Okay, so you have poor grammar... I'll leave it at that, even though I have a lot of comments tempting the dark recesses of my soul... <g>

Well, I must leave... History class in a few... so I'll catch you later, or to quote one of the greater philosophical persons this century:

"I'll be back."
Warpmind de InzanE, the CR Joyride Chronicler - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 07:08:34 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi, guys. Wish I had time for some lengthy replies, but it will have to be for later. Having said that, I can move on to the first point on the agenda:

Pissy: Nice rant about that homeless place... and those poor, helpless real estate owners ,who suffer the intolerable decrease in property value... makes me even more amazed how the humans have gotten as far as they have, both in terms of civilization, expansion and technology. You guys familiar with all the Sci-Fi shows, movies and books where the humans are "The Great Diplomats"? Take a look at our history, and consider the plausibility of such stories... Nah! I Think Not. Oh, well, maybe there's another rant for you there, Pistoff.

Well, I'm working on a new fanfic, the thirteenth in my saga, and I am growing ever so much more annoyed with my SysAdmin that he denies me access to FTP, so that my page may see the updates... oh, and in the manner that Robby is the CR DJ, and Toku is the CR Sage, I have found a title for myself, too.

By the way, nice party, Spike. Any chance of inviting me to the next one?

Well, gotta run, English class comin' up, and I've got some SERIOUS showin' off to do. <G>

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE, the CR Joyride Chronicler - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 05:03:16 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Gaaaaawwwwwwd, what a week! It started Sunday morning, and went downhill form there. I went to work at 8:30 AM to make the dough, and guess what I found when I opened the door? The idiot who closed the night before FORGOT TO TURN THE OVEN OFF!!!!! He did, however, remember to turn off the vent. That's a propane oven. So by the time I got there, the inside of the building was really warm, really stinky, and the slightest spark would've taken out half the block. The edge of the front door is metal, and so is the doorframe. It that had made a spark when I opened it, the remains of my charred corpse would've been blown into the bay.

This is the second time this has happened to me. The last guy who did it got fired later (for something entirely unrelated, though). This time it was a new guy, it was only his second time closing, so it's _kinda_ understandable. But if he ever does it again, he's lunchmeat.

Then, that evening, I had to cover part of another driver's shift. Why? He had gotten in a fight with his roommate, that's why. Turns out he and some buddies were drinking, and he fell on his roommate's coffee table and broke it. Well, the roommate went into a rage, grabbed his guitar and smashed the windshield out of this guy's truck--then grabbed a 2x4, went back into the house and smashed him in the face with it. Broke the guy's nose in three places, broke his glasses, sliced his face all up, left shards of glass in his eyes. So I got to work part of his shift. Today was supposed to be my day off, but guess what? Yes, that's right--I ended up having to work because this guy was still FUBAR on painkillers.

And I'm still smelling phantom propane fumes, even though I'm sitting here in my bedroom. That's the kind of smell that just stays in your memory for weeks. I've smelled rotting corpses that didn't stink nearly as bad.
*sighs* So, anyway...I'll try to catch up on responses again. If I miss any because I can't see straight tonight, I apologize. Gotta get some sleep soon.

But first things first. Had MAJOR DC problems, the last few days. So, here comes some more twisted, sick $h!t....

**WARNING! DC TORTURE**

Pistoff grabs DC, throws him over a table, face down, and hammers railroad spikes through his shoulders to pin him down. He then removes DC's pants, leaving his ass exposed. Pissy walks away and opens the door. A huge bull squeezes through and stands there, waiting.

"Oh, DC...this is a pet I borrowed from one of my customers...the guy owed me a favor--'cause I let him live, once...anyway, don't be alarmed if he does anything weird. It's because he's in heat." Pissy looks at the bull, waves at DC, and says, "He's all yours."

The bull charges. DC's screams are drowned out by the bull's roars. Your own imagination can fill in the rest.

**DC TORMENT OVER**

Nothing like starting the evening with a bang. ;)

Jessie: Glad you like my site. :) Shooting the pictures from below was just a sort of artsy-fartsy idea I had. Had some straight-on shots as well, but they didn't come out right. I'll try again later. OOOOOOO, a pic of The Dude? Can't wait to see it. :D And that thing that happened to you at work--I went through that, too, when PacPizza bought several Pizza Huts along the coast. The boss told me, "I get to fire everybody--including myself!" I got to pick the reason for being fired, too. First thought was, "Hmm...fired 'cause I beat up a customer?" She said that was too extreme, so I settled for "being rude to a customer." She said, "_That_ they'll believe." ;)

Warp: Thanks. :) Actually, I haven't used HTML at all. I just used a program called Cool Page. Basically, I just plop everything down on the screen, add the links where necessary, and upload it. I'm such a techno-weenie... ;) Thanks for the offer, though. Once I reach the point where I need to use HTML for fine-tuning things, I'll definitely need help. *g*

Oh, speaking of my site, I've added a guest book, the first 9 eps of G2K (more to follow when I have time) and a Rant Page. The rant page only has one rant on it, so far, and it's rather civilized, compared to what I usually do. ;) A conversation with Jannie last night gave me inspiration for another rant on the sports business, athletes that are paid entirely too much, and the emphasis society places on sports over acedemics. I'd planned to write it tonight, but RL problems kept me from working on it, and now I'm just too damn tired. Tomorrow, hopefully. The rant will be called..."Jock Itch." Sometimes I can't help myself.... ;-)

Mandolin: Hope ya get well soon. :)

Blue Caeru: <<Well, I admit that if I met you IRL, I'd be too intimidated to try to get to know you better. I mean, you're a big, tough-looking guy. <:-)>> Heh, don't worry, I'm usually pretty mellow...except when I've been dealing with customers. ;)

Happy belated birthday to Warpmind and Aris! :D

Coyote: Uhh...rebuilt antifreeze?! I've heard some real hum-dingers, but this one...ooooohhhhh gawwwd! Well, there you have it--proof that people can survive after being born without a brain. And my pics--pretty much what you were expecting? Weird...most people have been telling me that it's not even close to what they imagined I'd look like. Which got me to wondering...what pictures of me did people form in their minds, anyway? Or am I better off not finding out? *g* j/k

Denis: If you happen to see this--sorry I wasn't able to chat this morning...RL problems...what Hunter Thompson would call Bad Craziness...haven't been able to get near the computer all night, and I can barely see straight. Gotta get to bed. I'll try to work on the updates in the morning....

Jannie: Actually, according to my sources, "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure," was actually said by Quayle. Sowwy. ;) As for Gore, I think Dennis Miller said it best--his favorite movie is TRON, for chrissake!!! Also, his wife Tipper is one of the scariest people on the face of the earth--anybody remember the PMRC? *shudders*

Adult GFW crash: I couldn't care less. I haven't been in there in months, and have no intention of going back. *L*

I'll try to catch up with everything else tomorrow. Gotta get some sleep before... *passes out and smacks head on desk*

"[Tipper Gore] is so uptight, she walks with her legs crossed." ---Dennis Miller
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 04:44:16 AM
IP: wire-24.koalas.com

Hmm, I rather think I forgot to thank everyone who wished me a happy birthday here, and I only did it in the other comment room. Anyway, thanks!
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 04:18:12 AM
IP: pc-14.di.uoa.gr

**Disconnect Death Advisory**
Kiaoto stalks in from God knows where, his eyes gone gray like flint. His hands are half-shaking as he wanders up to the bar, walking up behind Mr. Disconnect. DC glances over his shoulder and goes back to his drink, sure in the fact that another denizen of the CR isn't going to disembowel him. Quite surprisingly, he feels a hand on his shoulder.
"Something I can do for you, Kai?" DC asks without turning around.
"Actually, I need to borrow something."
"What?"
"This," the grip on DCs shoulder suddenly becomes fiery agony as his collar bone and shoulder are crushed. Kaioto's strong right hand grips DC's upper arm and braces with the crushed shoulder. With a sickening sound, Dis Connect's arm is ripped from his socket.
"Gaaaaah!" DC screams as he clutches at his bleeding wound.
"Get your candyass over here, you @#$%!" Kaioto grabs DC by the scruff of his neck and holds him up.
DC sees gray fire burning on Kaioto's clenched fist, as unyielding as the gray flecks in his eyes. "Die," he says with quiet menace. A fury of punches laced with gray, pain-fire bury themselves in DC's chest, cracking open and shattering his ribcage and sternum. The bones shatter back in shrapnel, piercing his lungs to cut off DC's screaming.
Kaioto draws back his hand again, forcing him clenched fist apart to a form called the "Eagle's Claw." With a grunt, he launches another barrage of strikes into DC's lower abdomen. Ripping, tearing, wrenching, his fingers shred apart DC's flesh and soft internal organs and spilling them out on the floor.
With a casual brutality, Kaioto drops DC's wretched form to the ground.
A grim, dark smile crosses his lips as he take the torn limb of Dis Connect and began to pulp the CR immortal's head in with it. The arm comes down again and again, splattering gray matter and bodily fluid left and right. By the time he is done, DC's face is nothing but a bloody smudge on the floor.
Kaioto turns to one side and takes a deep, therapeutic breath and begins to walk away, then pauses thoughtfully. "You can have this back now, I'm done with it, thanks," he chimes pleasantly as he tossed the arm back onto DC's corpse.
"A word of advice though, don't mess with the one's I love. You have a problem, you come to me. We'll work it out like civilized folks. You hurt someone I care about, you keep me from someone I love, this will be a pleasant memory to what I do to your #$@!-@$$."
**End DC Death**

Hm … that helped a little. But it didn't solve anything. Of course trying to solve problems is part of what has me in such a foul mood to begin with.

Does anybody out there know an ISP in the Midwest that might be of some assistance? Liz-chan is having problems finding a local carrier. No matter what I try, they don't offer local calls outside of major metropolitan areas for their servers. The last thing Liz-chan needs are more calls to Milwaukee. *growls* We are trying to look into AOL, but the last person in West Bend to use them had to jump through some serious hoops to get a local number, and Liz-chan has terrible luck calling in anything computer or net related for customer service.

Ironwolf: Thanks for the update. I'd heard something about that, but I couldn't remember, it being years ago. I didn't want to drop a half-truth in my writing so I didn't pay much attention. I'm glad you spoke up about it.

Blue Caeru: << Hey, I liked that movie overall. :-D I think the problem was the way the film was edited.
Personally, if a longer version was made available, I'd buy it! >>
You mean as long as they pick up more shots of Obi-Wan's butt off the cutting room floor you'll by it, right? ^_^ *evil grin and chuckle*

Thought of the Day: You know, if life were like wrestling or a good action movie, it'd be cool because there would be "mooks." I'd have a bunch of non-pain-feeling, non-persons to remorselessly beat into a pulp when things like this happen. I've already got the musical tracks picked out. Maybe we need mook bosses too … somebody to pound on for extended periods of time.

Night folks.

**Walks out the CR, to door hitting him on the ass as he goes.**

Yes folks, I do permit myself 15 minutes of personal angst whining, vulgarity, and venting in public once every year. Sorry to anyone this disappoints, but it keeps me regular. :)

"Nothing worst than being frustrated and alone, with the notable exception of frustrated, alone, and constipated. That's why its called the Sh**s." ^_^

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 02:38:01 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

**RP HERE, BEGINNING A NEW THREAD**

At his secret base, Thailog is once again in a strategy meeting with his various allies. "I'm afraid I have some bad news," the evil fay Dahak laments. "The Phalanx forces in Egypt have just been decimated. As you requested, I was observing the battle via magic. The Avatar's armies have just about cleaned them out." "I too have observed that part of the world," says the wizard Kharsus. "It appears Prime and a few others are still alive, but they're getting wiped out fast. We may have to abandon the Phalanx." "Fine," Thailog sighs. "I never trusted them anyhow. It is good they are no longer of use or danger to us. We shall devise an alternate plan. Dr. Edison, I want you to continue sculpting our army of super-soldier clones. Admiral Nipon, you continue to upgrade your lone remaining Star Destroyer." "Yes sir," Nipon says. "Will it be needed soon?" "I am not sure," Thailog replies. "Jerec, I want you to work with Dahak and Kharsus. Create some powerful battalion of beings imbued with both magic and the Force. They shall make excellent shock troops when our takeover campaign begins. Tyl, you keep monitoring our enemies by computer while General Zale continues to train the soldiers Dr. Edison turns out. Alchemist." "Yes sir?" "When will your creation Jaden be ready to eliminate the Ravens?" "He's ready now. Just give the word and I will activate him." "Hmm. Hold off on that for a while. I'll tell you when to do it. In the meantime, keep assisting Edison." "What about me, boss?" asks Asil. "You haven't given me any orders in quite a while." "I have a very special assignment for you, Asil," Thailog chuckles. "I need you to recruit some new all-purpose goons for us. Go wherever you like to find them, just make sure they have appropriate loyalty and skills." "May I make a request?" Zale asks. "Take Storm Eagle with you. She's been growing restless of late." "Fine," Asil shrugs. "I'll find us some goons. Trust me, it should be easy." "Excellent," Thailog nods. "I shall contact Gothmenes's cartel for more weapons. Let us adjourn this meeting and get on to our tasks." The bad guy leaders nod and stand up.

**END PART 1 OF THIS POST'S RP**

Hi everyone. Having a good week so far? Mine's going okay. Second round of midterms is about to begin, and this Friday Doug and I get to register for spring courses. <sighs> Hope we can get the grades and classes we want. Wish us luck, okay? On to replies.

Ironwolf: Glad we're in agreement about vampires. :) As for your Xander creativity demon, I too would like to see it. Preferably with Anya backing him up carrying a crossbow and bandolier of stakes.

SJ: Congrats on the scanner and cute picture. Thanks for your hopes last week. Bringing Out the Dead had its moments, but as Doug said it was mostly boring. <sighs> Hope Nic Cage's next movie Gone in Sixty Seconds will be more enjoyable, and it should be since it's action-packed. :)
Thanks also for the entertainment news. I regret to hear that Ryan Caulfield and Harsh Realm are getting the boot. I enjoyed both those shows while they were on the air, and killing them this early is an awful deed on the part of Fox. Mike O'Malley's show deserved the early canning, but these shows did not. In any way. The network people should have given them a chance, they could have proven themselves. <sighs heavily> But we all know this, and I guess there's probably no way to stop it from happening now. Wonder what Fox will replace them with. World's Stupidest Dumbass Whatzits or some other show like it that no one with half a brain will watch? <shakes head> I think they will. <sigh> And I thought this stupid fad was dead. It better soon be. <fingers crossed> Keanu as Terry-Batman upsets me too. I'm even more angered by the possible new Schumacher Batman movie. <grins> To find out exactly what I think of the idea, check out the RP below.

Firestorm: Could I please have a real answer to my EMP question? If not, I guess I can understand why you want to keep secret your reasons for wanting such a device. :)

Model Eggs: I hate that this is happening as much as anyone, for the human greed it represents as well as the eugenics implications. It's IMO a terrible forecast of the future if this auction goes off without a hitch. What are they going to auction off next, hookers? Dates? "Soulmates?" Kids sculpted to a personal ideal of perfection? What is this world coming to? I look forward to the time when we'll have colonies on the moon and all the idiots who fall for stupid scams like this decide to move into them. That time is hopefully not too far away.

Spike: "Asrial Interactive?" Woo Hoo!! I actually inspired a fic idea in one of my favorite writers! Yes! Yes! Yes! <insane victory dance> Uh, sorry, moment reflex, no embarassment meant. :) Um, hope the story comes out soon, I'll be watching for it. With the quality of your writing, it should be good. <grin>

Happy belated Birthday Aris and Warpmind! Happy Fifth Anniversary Gargs!

Welcome Marc Dadigan (and any other newcomers I've missed).

Coyote: I too wish your mom good luck in her job hunt. And the same goes to you in both ending your work woes soon, and being able to resume writing WCC. I look forward to the next part!

Halloween Costumes: Doug and I got ours finalized yesterday. We now have the wig (for him) and the dye (for me) in addition to the clothes, Pokeballs, and jewelry. Team Rocket will be saving the UT campus from devestation and blasting off all over 6th Street's club district come this weekend. :)

Dating: So much has been said about this subject already. <sighs> I don't know if I can add any more to it. I have dated a lot of guys in my time, and not all of them for the right reasons. Yes, I admit it, I've gone out with all-around losers, "popular" preppies, dumb jocks, and even a Bible-pounder once just because dating them could get me higher social status and/or tickets to some sold-out event I really wanted to attend. My advice to others after doing this? Don't do it. The benefits are not worth the annoyances and costs. Dating life is best if you let no one but yourself control yours. Not friends, not parents, no one. Especially not your local cliques. You and your significant other can manage it, leave all other people out. Keep them as counselors, but no more. After all, you alone know what's best for yourself when it comes to relationships. That's all I can say really. Doug, Kaioto, SJ, and Jenna have pretty much covered the rest. Oh yeah, one more thing. Once you find the right person, and you know for sure they're it (they want you too, there are no others, etc.) hold on to them and never let them go. Congrats to those who have found their soulmates, and to those who haven't- good luck and don't give up. <smiles, hugs Doug>

Christine: *You're* locked out of the adult archive? What insane sysop is responsible for this? :) Good luck getting back in soon. I hope to soon be able to read your latest fics.

Jannie: LOL! Thanks for the hilarious Al Gore quotes. Now I'm reminded even more why this guy should not be our next President. (Of course, there are worse choices. Such as (IMO) Pat Buchanan and George Bush.)

Green Baron: Welcome back for a brief moment! Hope you can come again soon. :) $ I can hardly wait to see how you handle the Shadow Brides. $

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR TONIGHT'S BUFFY AND ANGEL**

Good episodes of both shows tonight, I'm glad the latter is being kept. Tonight's Buffy gets a 9/10, star off for two reasons. One, Buffy was out of character again. It was not like her to be avoiding that Parker poophead. She should put him behind her and get on with her life, she's tough enough to do that (or at least I thought she was). <sighs> The other thing I didn't like about this was the tiny demon. The haunted frat house he created was interesting cool, but the demon himself was disappointing. And unfunny too, IMO. On the plus side, the episode had a decent plot and lots of great character development, especially on Xander and Anya. It had some good comedy moments too. Among them were Willow and Oz's costumes (Oz as God :); Anya's "scary outfit" (wonder what she'd think of Monty Python and the Holy Grail); and especially Giles with a chainsaw. I don't know why, but the latter image had me laughing my head off. If he could only have found a hockey mask to go with it...no, wait that wouldn't work. :) All in all, pretty good episode. Hope they kick the Parker subplot off the show so it can be better real soon. (And that they do something with the campus vampire hunters, the mystery surrounding them is driving me nuts!)

The Angel ep tonight was even better. Its plot was excellent, with good development on Cordelia, Doyle (who I'm liking even more that Cordy is kinda friends with him, hope they're not really going to kill him off), Angel, and Kate. Decent action too, and nice dialogue. The thing I really liked about this episode, though, was the tres creepy bad guy. Dr. Carter had to be the scariest villain I've ever seen Whedon dream up, because of his attitude and powers (more the former, of course, but the latter were also neat). Angel is definitely looking dark and good with a guy like him around, hope this means more good and frightening villains will soon also be on it. :) Ep tonight gets a 10/10, thumbs way up.

**SPOILERS END**

Nightwalker: Good luck being able to post again soon. I'll be praying for you. And please kick DC an extra couple times for me when it comes time for revenge.

That's all for now, I'll be logging off till next time. Good night, everybody. <waves> $ By the way, RP players, I'm starting a new subplot in the action below. Interfere with it if you like, just please don't kill the main players. :) Some of you (like Green Baron) may already know what's ahead. Don't worry, we haven't abandoned the Ravens' part of the action. Doug will pick that up in his next post. I've just been wanting to do this new thread for a while, and so now I will. :) $

**RESUME RP AND BEGIN ASIL'S INSANE RECRUITMENT ADVENTURES**

The RP screen flickers and changes, revealing a scene straight out of Hell itself, or one of the ways Hollywood can come close to it. It is one of the sets for the new Batman movie, with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck standing outside the Batmobile dressed in Batman and Robin outfits. Michelle Williams (from Dawson's Creek) is nearby dressed as Batgirl. "Okay, people," Director Joel Schumacher says from the camera setup next to her. "Get ready to do the spring into action scene. Remember, your latest lameass adversary has just made his move to attack Gotham, and you're about to run after him. You all know your lines? No? Okay, I don't care, ad-lib! Ready? Lights, camera, ac..." He is cut off by a loud BAMF and a huge puff of smoke. Out of the latter step two deadly-looking femme fatales. One is a cackling brunette female half-gargoyle with two-toned hair and harsh features dressed in skintight leather and carrying an immense double-barrelled DOOM BFG. The other is a maniacally grinning twentysomething girl with long ash-blonde hair bound in a red headband who wears a camoflauge military uniform. Globes of black energy surround her fists. "What's going on here?" Matt Damon asks as the two turn towards them. "Who are you girls?" "Yeah," adds Ben Affleck. "And why haven't you dated us yet?" In response to this, Asil snarls at them. "I loved you guys in Dogma," she tells the two young actors. "But I'm sorry to say that's the last film in which you will star." With that, she raises her BFG and uncerimoniously blows them both to cinders. "Hey!" Michelle Williams screams. "You can't do that!" "We can," growls Storm Eagle, vaporizing her with an energy beam, "and we did." "Nice shot," Asil laughs at her partner as Schumacher looks on in horror and the camera crew flees. "Now we need a vehicle to look for goons in the area." She points at the set's Batmobile (which by the way looks more like a black convertible with a bunch of fancy gear glued onto it than the way the Batmobile should). "That will do!" Storm Eagle nods and the two of them quickly run over and hop onto it. Schumacher finally recovers as Asil starts the engine and begins yelling at her for ruining his new movie, killing his stars, and stealing his property. Kitainia's evil clone ignores the dorky director's cries and runs over him on her way out. "Woo hoo!" Storm Eagle shouts, letting her hair blow in the wind as they smash through the studio wall. "Action at last!" "That's right," Asil nods. "Let's go find some goons like Thailog said to." "Okay. Oh, and by the way, joyriding around in this car is fun and all, but I'll be upset if you start calling me Thelma." "Okay, Louise," Asil grins, chuckling at the replying glare. She then pulls onto the nearest LA highway and starts heading downtown. The police may soon be in hot pursuit.

**END THIS JUSTICE BIT OF RP**
Kitainia
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 02:22:41 AM
IP: pool-207-205-144-57.dlls.grid.net

Okay, could someone please e-mail me back and tell me what "Cornbread...ain't nothing wrong with that!" is from? I'd really appreciate it!
Stephanie Wood - [stephiew@hotmail.com]
Provo, UT, USA
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 01:06:52 AM
IP: proxy.rn.byu.edu

Hey all.

Sorry but I'll have to make this quick before this thing shut's off. Mr.DC will get what he deserves when this get's better. I really hope this thing's not busted. I still have 2 month's untill I get my comp.

I didn't have time to read any comments 'cuz it seems that whenever I'm in the CR for more that 20 secs it shut's off. Sorry again.

I did send an e-mail to some of you [those that I managed to get into my buddy system]. I hope to come back here for real soon.

DANG!! I had planned to be here for the 5th anniversery/ hunter's moon or garg's . I hope everybody had a good 24th.

I'll try to get back on tomorrow and try to read the comments. Until then I guess I'll try to come up with some new topics.

Oh , one thing [the only thing] that I have been able to read from here since last monday[?] was that I was the second to the last post since the wipe. Oh well.

I have soooo much more to post. I'll try again tomorrow, a few times at least[or at least until I get so frustrated with this thing that I break it].

I love you all. My friend's.

Goodnight my rookery brother's and sisters. I've missed you.
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:52:58 PM
IP: proxy-563.public.rwc.webtv.net

***BEGIN RP***
SJ was able to carefully pull his father to his feet. The elder Sevarius' face twisted in pain. He clutched his side, and it was clear that he was favoring his ribs. He was bruised and battered from Prime's maltreatment, but otherwise he was alive and in relatively good shape. He was exhausted, however, and he leaned on his son for support. "I'm beginning to think I may be a bit old to be roughed up by bizarre alien lifeforms." he quipped.
"Don't worry, dad. I've seen the Administrator angry before--it's not a pretty sight. If anyone can take my clone down, for good this time, it's her. "We need to see about getting you out of here."
"I'll be fine now, son. I'm just glad you're here with me now."
Meanwhile, Prime stepped up his assault. "This is ridiculous," he spat with disgust. "I have an entire planet to assimilate, and I'm wasting time with you insects!" He began to grow in size....his girth increased, as did his muscle mass. Technoorganic tissue reformed itself, until Prime stood at least 10 feet tall. His body had shaped itself into a more combat ready form; sharp spikes and deadly razor-edged blades, all formed from his own matter, adorned his bodies, especially his arms and legs. From his back arced out a half-dozen extra tentacle appendages, each boasting what appeared to be a deadly scorpion-like stinger on the end. "First, I kill you. Then, I assimilate this world. After that, I kill that worm Thailog; I never liked him anyway. Finally, I waste what's left of the Collective! But enough delays! This battle ends NOW." And with a roar, he dove into the attack...
***END RP***

Entertainment News!
Well, as Scott mentioned, "Harsh Realm" is over and one with. That's right, it made it through 3 whole episodes before officially tanking (maybe 4 if they show this Friday's episode). I can't really say I feel any regret or sympathy for it. It had 3 episodes to catch viewers, and it didn't seem to do it (I suspect most were flocking over to "Now and Again", although I have some concerns on that show as well). Fox also canceled "Ryan Caulfield: Year One" as well. Some of the more mean-spirited critics are already dubbing it "Ryan Caulfield: The Two Episodes".
While it was previously reported that both "Spider-Man Unlimited" and "Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot" were canceled, this is not the case. Fox Kids has backtracked now and said that both shows will return, but no definitive date is set, and Fox said they will be placed at times where they can "find" their "respective audiences". This probably means the geniuses at Fox will stick them at the 6 a.m. block. If memory serves, they pulled the same crap with the Iron Man and Fantastic Four shows a few years ago.
You know what this is, though? It's the Curse of the Pokemon Wannabees. Fox doesn't have Pokemon, so they stick the Pokemon ripoffs--namely Digimon and the godawful Monster Rancher--in the time slots resevered for Spider-Man and Big Guy. Which is a shame, because Spider-Man had the potential to get better, and I thought that, with the possible exclusion of Beast Machines, Big Guy was the most enjoyable show on Fox's Saturday lineup.

Also good news for us Angel fans--the show gets a full season! They had ordered just 13 eps, but that's been changed to a full 22 now. Thank God *one* good new show is saved from the chopping block.

Warpmind: Actually, I shop at the "Shopper's Food Warehouse", a rather large American supermarket chain. The one in my area is a pretty big one, serving a large portion of the community. Which is both good and bad. Good because you can find all your groceries at bargain prices, bad because with all the cultural diversity in my area it's not inconceivable to spend the day shopping with individuals who don't speak one word of your own language. *sigh* At the risk of sounding somewhat racist, I wish that English was actually enforced in this country. I really do.
Oh, and you are reading too much into my language. Hey, I have poor grammar, okay? Don't rub it in ;)

Jewel: Oh yeah, the website....I've given up on my Geocities site, really. I haven't updated it in months, and I loathe the Geocities/Yahoo merger (I mean, I thought 'Cities was crummy *before*). That's why I'm very, veeeeery slowly building another page on another web hoster. Hopefully I'll have it up....well, before the next millennium (that being 2001, for the purists ;) If there's a ton of broken links, it wouldn't surprise me.
And you shouldn't be so cynical or down on yourself about your looks. I think you are a very lovely young lady, and I think most of the males in here would agree with that statement. :)

Firestorm: Hmm....yep, I did get it installed, and so far it is working fine. I suppose I should keep my fingers crossed, huh? ;p

Jannie: Very funny....and kinda scary....Al Gore quotes. Those are almost as good as the Quayle quotes I've seen on the web. The thought of Gore as President...political preferences aside, that kind of scares me...but then again, *all* the candidates in this upcoming election scare me.

Jenna: Yeah, I was cute as a kid, huh? *sigh* Then I grew up! Oh well. Anyway, that little puppy was my German Shepherd "Duchess". I loved her to death (and she was only a few weeks old in that photo), but unfortunately she developed a tumor at about age 7 and did not survive. She was a cool dog, though, I must admitt :)

Oh well, I've talked enough for tonight. I have to go put on sackcloth and sit in ashes....I've just been informed that the White Wolf gaming company has been bought by *shudder* an internet company. My kneejerk reaction (and the reaction of many WW fans) is that it just might be the end for the WoD. Gehenna is upon us...
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:48:22 PM
IP: 207-172-121-196.s196.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

**Robby wakes up for a moment and gets up off the floor**

Am I awake now? yup. Do I have time to post? Nope. Mentor meeting tommarrow, yeah...

**Robby goes over to a corner of the CR that apparently has a drawing table all set up and sets to work trying to meet a deadline...**
Robby
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:34:43 PM
IP: spider-ta077.proxy.aol.com

Christine> There was a slight crash in GFW, and I guess some of the information was moved, but I guess all the passwords are null. Get a new one and you'll be good to go. Same thing happened with me.
Baby Fey
Flagstaff, AZ
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:19:51 PM
IP: dorm894.resnet.nau.edu

as for more diginmon and monster rancher, Digimon I can take, at least those look cool and it's somewhat different from pokemon, but as for monster rancher, NO SMEGGING WAY! that is the most derivative load o' cr@p I ever saw,
shogun raptor
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:16:35 PM
IP: user-38ld828.dialup.mindspring.com

Is it just me, or is something wrong with the Adult site? Have I been banned without knowing it? Has something happened to the password program? Anybody got any insights?

Fan Mail > I love and thrive on attention, as we all know, so I hugely enjoy hearing from people who've liked my work. The part that often boggles me is when said people say something to the tune of how they've wanted to write to me for *yea* months and haven't dared ... I'm not that scary, honest! I do bite, but I don't generally draw blood ; ) But it is awe-inspiring to hear that what I've written has had an impact on someone's life. That's quite a privilege, a flattery, and a strange feeling of responsibility as well.

Avalon Mists > deadline for the Winter issue is four weeks from tomorrow!

Bummer of a note > due to greatly increased demands on my time lately (Sabledrake Magazine, books, etc.), I will henceforth no longer be available to beta-read stories. I've enjoyed reading the ones I've been sent, but I simply do not have the time to give proper critique-type comments.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:09:20 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

oops that should be left out not at darn typo demons

Anonymous
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:00:27 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-22.cha.bellsouth.net

*slaps herself* I just caught a typo in my post.

It should say women wanting to be *WITH* a Fabio-lookalike, not *A* Fabio-lookalike. Sheesh, but that's an embarrassing typo.
Blue Caeru
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:59:07 PM
IP: spider-wm073.proxy.aol.com

Toku Kaioto you left at one thing part of the money form each sale of the book went to help her medical cost. I had to by the hard back when I found out. Then anthony came to dragon con so I got him to autograph it. He is a very pleasant man, and I too recommend reading it

there is other stuff to say, but it is late, but Letters to Jenny well that could not wait i can't belive i didn't mention it
night bros and sis
ironwolf
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:58:11 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-22.cha.bellsouth.net

big guy & rusty cancelled> geez, I rather liked that show, reminded me of the tick, and to think if it lasted for about three seasons, Comedy central might pick it up like they did with the tick
batsy scripts & joel Sh*tmonger> NO! NO FRAGGIN' WAY!
Beyond does NOT need a live-action movie! and as for year one! FORGET AFLECK/DAMON & REAVES!!!! *scary thought* if reaves was mcginnis, Alex winter was derek powers and George Carlin was Wayne, it'd be bill & ted 3
as for this eugenics stuff, I'M GENETICALLY IMPERFECT AND D@MN PROUD OF IT!!!!!! speaking of which, this whole thing smacks of a bad Huxley novel
oh, and as for the batman ideas
*JOYRIDE*
Shogun whips out a communicator"yeah, this Lobo? listen bastitch I got a little job for you..."
Moments later, the main man rounds up the offending individuals mentioned earlier and****YOUR COMPUTER IS NOT ABLE TO PROCESS THE VAST AMOUNTS OF GORE AT THIS TIME, PLEASE WAIT A MOMENT**** Lobo flies off as shogun burns the blood-soaked sponge containing all that was left of them, he then impales Disconnect on a red-hot poker for messing up that bit*end joyride*
shogun raptor
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:56:13 PM
IP: user-38ld828.dialup.mindspring.com

Ack, my email was wrong in my post. Here's the right one, not that anyone ever emails me anyway. ;-)
Blue Caeru - [BlueCaeru@cs.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:30:04 PM
IP: spider-wm052.proxy.aol.com

Jewel> <<We can all claim that too much is made of beauty but, to be honest, we do still make first judgements based on appearance. Sad, but true. Likewise, the pretty kids usually can get away with acting like asses because they're forgiven everything by being cute.>> How true! I've been saying stuff like that for a while. ;-) And I totally agree with your post on dating -- that's pretty much how I feel.

Kaioto> "Letters to Jenny" That sounds beautiful. I'll have to read it some time.

Jannie> LOL at the Al Gore Quotes!

Oracle> <<As a side note to this whole "supermodel eggs" topic. They are not supermodels. They are models>> Ah, mea culpa. When I first mentioned it, I said "supermodels" instead of just models. I've read about the process to donate ova too, and I don't care much for the invasive part either. ^_^
You brought up good points about the women and the guy selling their eggs. You know, I can hardly believe that fashion photographer said all that stuff about needing beauty to get ahead in this world and blah blah blah about that; what if he had homely children, then what would he tell them? Or DO to them if he actually stuck to his words?

SW: TPM> Hey, I liked that movie overall. :-D I think the problem was the way the film was edited. Personally, if a longer version was made available, I'd buy it!

Aaron> <<Actually, the part about Gattica I found scariest wasn't the unborn genetic tampering, but the evaluation of the rest of us strictly by our genes. If we get to that, I'm pretty much screwed.>> Ah, yes, that part is frightening too. *gets the chills* And to think insurance companies want to deny ppl coverage based on their mere potential to inherit a disease.

Warpmind de InzanE> Thanks for your support. :-)

Beauty> I think I'm just bitter, but I was thinking that maybe people will be so obsessed with wanting only attractive mates who have low IQ's that humans will breed themselves out of existence. *suddenly has a thought about "the shallow end of the gene pool"*

Dating> I've never dated and there has been only one guy who was ever seriously interested in me. Frankly, I'm fine with being single, and the situation looks so difficult that I don't want to bother dating. Anyhow, personality is very important to me, and as others here have said before, that makes the person you are with more attractive. I am not one of those women who obsess with "hunks" and will do just about anything to get one. Hmm, well, if I ever get past dating and start going steady with a guy, there's still the problem of making sure the relationship doesn't crash and burn.

As for the women who stay with abusive husbands/ boyfriends: They have low self-esteem and have been beaten into submission. They are afraid of losing the man's "love" or are convinced that he will eventually change. They are not necessarily stupid and shallow and just want to be a Fabio-lookalike -- they are blinded by love. The person in the relationship with the least commitment has the most power (to wield over their partner). These women may also feel socially pressured to "stand by their man," even if he is a brute. There may also be safety or financial concerns; what if the woman has young children and so cannot work, or the man threatens to track her down and harm the children if she leaves?
Blue Caeru - [BlueCaer@cs.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:27:34 PM
IP: spider-wm052.proxy.aol.com

Hi ya'll
Three days till my LARP (4 counting saturday, but if I'm doing things on saturday, I'm so screwed...). Stress factor is high. I hate being in charge of things.

I'm still trying to decide if I want to chime in on this whole dating/love/attraction thing. Other people have said most of what I would want to say. If I decide to add to the discussion, I'll go off on a tangent about what it really means to love someone, as opposed to being scared and lonely, and hoping they'll fill the void.

Don't count on it, though.

Fan fic letters> I get very few. Since I calculate that I have 8 fans, (including some who never actually read the fan-fic archive since it's easier for them just to open the files off my floppies) that's not surprising. I'm also terrible about answering my mail. (This is only partly my fault - some of the blame goes to a weird ISP and trouble with my mail server)

What I have gotten has been very flattering. I'd still like to hear from that one person who slammed my last Freelance story. I do Freelance mostly as a way to work on my writing. The nature of the project forces me to do some things I ordinaraly wouldn't. The people who DON'T like my work are the ones who probably have something important to tell me.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 07:25:28 PM
IP: pppa24-fortworth5-3r201.saturn.bbn.com

Dating > There's a certain amount of confidence necessary for dating. First, you have to be comfortable enough with yourself to approach the object of your affections/lusts and ask her/him out. Then, you have to be confident enough that you won't screw up all the necessary rituals: the peck on the cheek, opening the door, paying the bill... whatever.

Screw that. It doesn't sound like fun at *all*.

Of course, some friends of mine have told me that this is what "ugly" people say.

So, obviously, you have to *look* good to date.

Bitter? Me? Naaah...

But sometimes bitterness is good, because then you get to notice just how messed up the world is, and how shallow people can be.

Ugh. I'm being antisocial in a comment room. That's a paradox, plain and simple.

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 07:23:16 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Hey does anyone know when the new season will start????

Please tell
Silver Arrow
Silver Arrow - [Slvrairo@aol.com]
USATuesday, October 26, 1999 06:46:11 PM
IP: abd9889a.ipt.aol.com

Stormy: Aw … that is so sweet. ^_^ Reminds me of my own experiences with Lexy-chan.

*Sighs wistfully* But nobody wants to here me ramble on for paragraphs and paragraphs about that story, so I'll spare you all. :)

Fan Letters:

I have only in my whole life written one gushy groveling fan-letter to an author. I wrote to Piers Anthony a few years ago, for a very special reason. I didn't write about how impressed I was with "On a Pale Horse", or how enchanted I was with his world of Xanth. I wrote to him after reading, "Letters to Jenny."

For those of you who haven't read about it, one of Piers Anthony's fans named Jenny was hit by a drunken driver and nearly killed many years ago. Her physical recovery took a most of a decade, and her emotional recovery almost never began. It may never have worked out as well as it did if Jenny's parents hadn't written to Piers.

The plight of their daughter moved Piers Anthony deeply. He wrote Jenny countless letter, and introduced a character for her into his world of Xanth that most of us fantasy crazies know as Jenny Elf. Piers visited her in person and they even traveled to conventions together. He was a very strong influence on her recovery and a dedicated friend. This is made all the more remarkable, however, as Piers Anthony prefers to live in pseudo-isolation in a his home in Florida, far away from maddening crowds and has expressed several times how he loathes to travel. For this one little girl, Piers Anthony stepped out from behind his desk, and his comfortable life, and helped give her another chance at living.

"Letters to Jenny" is a compilation of letters and excerpts from their correspondence. Through that book I peeked through a window. That window let me glance at human drama, compassion, and strength. I also let me appreciate the powerful, meaningful tool art can become in someone's life. How it allows us to reach out and touch real people, whereby, making a better world one life at a time.

For me, this lesson was the culmination of something I'd been learning, the process of shaking off a demon that had been plaguing me since my childhood. When I was young, my favorite uncle whom I took after committed suicide because he perceived himself as a failure. As a little kid, I associated his suffering, his failure, and his leaving me on a sub-conscious level with Art. As I grew up, I looked at Art as a petty diversion, a waste of time, and an arrogant dedication to the shallow notions of beauty and popularity. As I grew some more, I realized how my feelings were working against me, and I began to get a better grip on what art, especially writing and poetry, really meant. "Letters to Jenny," helped prove to me what my heart and my head both wanted me to believe. It helped me heal some dark scars on my soul.

Because of that, I wrote him a letter in gratitude, as well as to say how inspirational his actions in life, rather than just his writing, had made Piers Anthony someone whom I respected so deeply. That was the first, and only fan letter I ever wrote.

Warpmind: I came, I saw, I wan'na go home. ^_^ ,V..

On that note, I've got to check my E-mail.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 06:42:55 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

SJ: "being told you're worthless by a family member" Ohh, I can emphasize with *that* one.

Fanfic praise: e-mail is nice, but it's always so surreal. I mean, I had one kid out of the blue e-mail to say he wanted to meet me (but added "I'm not weird or anything!") Eep. And it's odd when the people writing you assume you must have an inbox full of these e-mails; I'm always tempted to say, "Well, actually, um..."

Dating and Beauty: I don't get it at all. While I freely admit to enjoy watching a nice bit of eyecandy walk by, I entertain *no* notions whatsoever of actually dating somone whose drop-dead gorgeous (unless they suffer from Funny-Lookin'-Child-Syndrome: they were funny-lookin' when they were little kids, but when puberty hit, everything just went right--they still see themselves as funny-lookin', but to the rest of the world...) because I'm scarcely the type to attract them. (I've been told, alternately, that I'm "cute" (bleh) and "beautiful" (whaaa...?), but I've never seen it--I suppose I can thank years of being told I was fat and forced onto diets by my mom--never mind that I'm a whopping size 14. Oh, call out Weight Watchers <sarcasm>.) We can all claim that too much is made of beauty but, to be honest, we do still make first judgements based on appearance. Sad, but true. Likewise, the pretty kids usually can get away with acting like asses because they're forgiven everything by being cute. Personally, I'm content to not even bother with the whole dating thing. Who needs the complication? (especially when one's friends have decided that it's time to Find Jewel A Man (tm)...help...)

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 06:27:26 PM
IP: 199.196.144.13

<Jannie> Nice Al Gore quotes. Makes one wonder how anyone could consider voting for him for President.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 06:05:34 PM
IP: genv-124ppp93.epix.net

coyote-dropped you an em..
jenna
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 05:49:10 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hello everyone. I am back form the homeowrk front and I can spare a bit of my time. I'll comment on a few things, since my time is limited.

Doug> $I'll handle the shadow brides as soon as I have more free time to do it. Hopefully, on Friday :)$

Dating> I've had a total of three girlfirends my whole life, and I am 22. Largely, I am afraid of dating, not because she will say no, but because she wills ay yes and then hurt me. Last time, I wasn't as badly hurt as I was when I was 18. What hurt me about that break up is that Jessica largely avoided me afterwards and did not want me to be her friend anymore, which makes me wish I never made the mistake of asking her out. Perhaps I shoudl stop looking for a commitment and all that. I'm 22 for God's sake. I don't plan to get amrried until I'm 35. I woudl like a nice female friend who will plant a few kisses and other things on me, though. Any volunteers :)

Appearance> Well, I really shoudln't talk, since I am considered by many to be handsome and/or cute. I find physical appearance consists of two things, genetic qualities and perosnal decisions. I would never find a beauty model overly attractive. Appearance is more important to me as far as how she presents herself. I find things like hygiene and proper clothes important. I also find a woman to be attractive if she has long hair and/or wears glasses. These are not absolute criteria, but general preferences. I find that as I get to know a woman, her appearance changes. If she is nice,f riendly,a nd easy to talk to, she begins to llok more attractive, and if she is mena to me and treats me very poorly, she looks less attractive. One thing I like about the Internet is that people can have an intelligent converstaiona nd not worry about soemoen else's appearance. If someone is not overly attractive, but you know what they are like on a personal/intellectual level, their appearance is not overly important, unless they do not take care of themselves.

What really shocks me is that some women find a guy who is acomplete slob more attractive. I imagine part of my cuteness factor is from my well-groomed clean shaven, three-piece suit appearance :)

Jewel> I agree with you wholeheartedly. If anything, I'd rather adopt than have children naturally, and as for race. I have four cousins who are adopted and two of them are black. I think I mentioend my cousins Tommy and Ann Marie to you. You'd find Cousin Tommy to be a real hoot, too and so would a lot of folks in the CR.

Christine> I agree with you about the issue of rogan sales. I think it should be legal since organs can be used for better purposes. I do not like teh idea of selling eggs or sperm though I do not see any reasons why that shoudl be illegal.

<<if someone really _did_ try to auction-adopt off their unborn child>>

Well, auctoning off an unborn child could constitue slavery, but as for adoption services, there are on-line crisis pregancy centers, but their purpose is much more altruistic than the eBay auctioning :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 05:33:33 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Sorry this is long, but I wanted to share these quotes with everyone..... ummmm, where was the same media that bashed Dan Quayle unmerciful when he made a slip up? O.o For the record - potato can be spelled with or without an "e" at the end. :)


>>IT'S AL GORE, OUR VICE PRESIDENT!!!!
>>
>>Thrill at his logic! Be amazed at his wisdom! Let the quotes begin....
>>
>> "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." --Al Gore
>>
>> "Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and
>>child."-Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow
>>astronauts"-Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same
>>distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures
>>where there are canals, we believe, & water. If there is water, that means
>>there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."-Vice President
>>Al Gore, 8/11/94
>>
>> "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean
>>in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live
>>in this
>>century." -- Vice President Al Gore, 9/15/95
>>
>> "I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and
>>democracy - but that could change."--Vice President Al Gore, 5/22/98
>>
>>"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president,&
>>that one word is 'to be prepared'."--Vice President Al Gore,12/6/93
>>
>> "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." --Vice President Al
>>Gore, 11/30/96
>>
>> "I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in
>>the future."- Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "The future will be better tomorrow." Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "We're going to have the best-educated American people in the
>>world."-Vice President Al Gore, 9/21/97
>>
>> "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions
>>and have a tremendous impact on history."-Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." --Vice President Al
>>Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93
>>
>> "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a
>>firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."-Vice President Al
>>Gore
>>
>> "Public speaking is very easy." --Vice President Al Gore to reporters
>>10/95
>>
>> "I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat." --Vice President Al
>>Gore
>>
>> "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the
>>polls."-Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in L.A.,
>>my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The
>>rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are
>>to blame.-Al Gore
>>
>> "Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having
>>it."-Vice President Al Gore, 5/20/96
>>
>> "We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
>>Vice President Al Gore, 9/22/97
>>
>> "For NASA, space is still a high priority."-Vice President Al Gore,
>>9/5/93
>>
>> "Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our
>>children."-Vice President Al Gore, 9/18/95
>>
>> "The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Al
>>Gore may or may not make."-Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on
>>the mistakes we may or may not have made."-Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities
>>in our air and water that are doing it." -Vice President Al Gore
>>
>> "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." --Vice
>>President Al Gore
>>
>> AND, OF COURSE, (TO ALL USERS OF THE INTERNET), THE ALL TIME FAVORITE
>>QUOTATION OF MR. AL GORE:
>>
>> "As many of you know, I was very instrumental in the founding of the
>>Internet" -AL Gore to Katie Couric 3/99 (To which Dan Quayle responded:
>>"And I invented spell-check!")
Jannie
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 05:05:48 PM
IP: 196-208.c.esc4.net

**rubs temples** Oyy ... of course, I don't get any chance to write on my day off ... I went with my mother to the unemployment office today (she said she needed *moral support.*). I can understand her being nervous ... she's never gone on unemployment in her life ... but I *also* know the kind of firebreathing dragon she turns into when she has to deal with too much bureaucratic bullcrap, so I was kinda like ... "okay, mom ... I'll just stand over here ..." :)
**sigh** At least she didn't go medieval on anyone ... 'tis a good sign ...

Egg auction: Sick and wrong. NEXT!!

Jessie Feff, re: Faerie Tarot: I'd be interested to see that ... considering that I got my uncle a copy of Steve Jackson Games' "Silicon Valley Tarot" for Christmas this year ... (he's a computer analyst.) :)

Aaron: Ahh yes, the wonderful "Peer Gynt" Suite! Two pieces of which have become stock movie mood music ("Hall of the Mountain King" and "Pastorale.") ...

Shogun, re: Ricky Ricardo baby: LMSAO!

Dating and body shape: Ohhh goody, one of my favorite fire-up topics ... mainly because of my own body shape.

Stephen, I hear where you're comin' from, Brother Big Man. Too many times, I've seen female friends who *know* that I care about them, would never hurt them, pass me up for some Adonis who treats them like camel $#!t. It gets disheartening after a while ... because of my gene makeup, there's slim to no chance I'll ever look like that (wish I'd actually been *able* to grow up to the 6' 5" I was *supposed* to be, maybe then I'd look less like the Goodyear Blimp).
When me and my ex were together, appearance was never an issue, mainly because we both had our flaws and knew it ... and looked past those flaws. For a while, at least ... then she turned into just another one of those appearance-obsessives. :( The good news though is that we are still friends, and are better for the experience.
I think that's another reason that I've turned to the Internet to soothe my pained heart. No appearance obstacles, really ... they don't know what I look like unless I either tell them, or flash that Xenacon picture (it's the only photo of me available on the Web.). That way, I know who actually cares for the substance of my character, rather than the substance of my body.

**snif** Sorry ... this is a topic I've cried myself to sleep over far too many times in my 24 years ...

Kaioto ... before I forget ... **applauds**

Doug: Uhmm ... errr ... rather *interesting*, and at the same time all too true, acronym.

Fan Mail: I know I've been bad about sending it myself ... I've read stories and wanted to send mail, but either have not had the time or just been too chicken (it took about eight months after reading Spike's cycle for me to send her one of those messages she was referring to. ;) ... as far as receiving it, the messages I've received have ranged from impressed to apologetic to downright scary ... and of course there was one message that I'll never forget. Two days after the Gathering, I received a letter from someone I met in Dallas who had *just then* figured out that I'd written one of his favorite fics, "Life as Seen from the Fish Bowl." :)

Spike again: I like the pic, and I agree ... after that 'un, you deserve that margarita! :)

Taleweaver: Yeah, those phrases make me chuckle too ... **gets sudden image of the "Sperm 100 Meter Hurdles" in Sydney next year ...**

Stormy: **wipes tear way** What's weird about that, it's so sweet ... **snif**

And on that note ... **curls up in his corner to *attempt* to write this evening ...**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 04:44:41 PM
IP: modem46.i-is.com

As a side note to this whole "supermodel eggs" topic. They are not supermodels. They are models. That covers a whole range of ppl. Hand models for example have nice hands, not always bodies and faces. In the article in USA Today (10/25/99), they mentioned they only have 2 doners as of now and they were both stuggling actresses in the L.A. area and are single mom's. Add to it that one of the "acresses" was named um..oh crap, I forgot. Anyway, from what I gathered and from what my co-workers gathered, these were not high payed models at all, not even with good contracts, ie: porn stars. One was wanting like, $30,000 for her egg(s), the other wanted $150,000. Riiiiiight. These are good natured, totally selfless individuals who want to help the needy. Um...no. The ppl that actually want these eggs are trashy, same as the ppl selling them like this.
As a side note, I was considering being an egg donor myself. I'm young and have 3 kids of my own and know my eggs are healthy and I have no probs making them...obviously. eesh. Anyway, I looked into it and really wanted to help some couple that couldn't have kids, but the time and effort was just too much for me. You have to take hormone shots so you can ovulate, be in the same area as the parents(usually), and then go thru this semi-painfull process of having this tube stuck up your yaa-yaa and then have your eggs sucked from your body. owwww..... Thanks, but I chose not to go thru such an invasive process. I want to help and all but geez.
All in all, the ppl selling their eggs on the internet don't give a crap about themselves, their eggs or the ppl getting them. They just want money. Oh what freedoms we have in America. Oh joy. =P~
Oracle
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 02:54:30 PM
IP: pppa66-kenosha2-3r755.saturn.bbn.com

Jenna hey no problem with taking yourself seriously. Every one should, heck if I didn’t take myself seriously who would? :o)
Oh and thanks for the hug. silly sounding but you know it cheered me up a little…that’s kinda pathetic isn’t it ? oh well it did cheer me up

Jewel and All Yea Authors concerning us the fans and the mail you get. Be prepared for more mail like that. When fans read you work and keep reading you touch there lives. Now I don’t mean to scare you just point out the facts. The characters you create and the lives you weave well you and the characters become our; Fathers, Mothers, Brothers, Lovers, Sisters, Friends,….. Family. I could have been a very…un nice person if I had not been raised by such great parents as Heinel, foster, mccaffery, anthony, and many more.
Their heroes taught me about the person I wanted to be. Ya’ll are beginning to touch people like this it forms a bond to well mabey not you (though some feel like it bonds them to the writer), but to your creativity and dreams, ideals. The reader enters the world you made and takes a little of it with him/her when they leave.

Speaking of books and stories I am going to recommend Losers to everyone here it is a fictional work set in American society about Social Services and the problem with it. It is written by David Eddings.

As for “were have all the Cowboys gone”. The real men are here and there, but we are just in the shadows of all the pretty boy players in the field. Mabey the internet will change this so that the person is the first thing you see and not the package, but I doubt it. As for becoming friend with a mate before dating yea it can work but most often doesn’t. Why? Usually the girl doesn’t want to risk a really good friend on the chance that it can grow. Heck even I have felt this fear. Once you take that step from being friends to actually asking her for a date….if she doesn’t feel that way it can put a strain on the friendship just for the fact that she might become uncomfortable. It has happened once or twice to me, the friendship… goes from a old comfortable sneaker to well a new shoe. Sometimes you can get back to being comfortable and sometimes you stick it in the closet till you forget. I have been forgotten twice and I …really miss the time I spent with them. I think it is because women have either been taught by society to not trust men who ask them out or other guys(players) have unfortunately taught them that through experience. You have to be able to trust a friend….it is what friendship is all about….

ironwolf
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:42:17 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-163.cha.bellsouth.net

T.J.Veil/The Phantom Menace>> <<I thought this was a good movie, but not as good as the other Star Wars movies. Empire Strikes Back remains my favorite. You don't get to see the bad guys win too often in movies...>>

*** Warning spoilers for Phantom Menace ***

Well, let's see, Qui-gon is killed, Anakin's training which will allow him to become a servant of the Dark side (and kill Obi-wan) begins despite the objection of many people wiser than young Obi-wan, and the most important outcome of "Phantom Menace" is that Senator Palpatine assumes a position of power. (and people who've read either the novels or the novelisation have recognised the name and know what he'll do in the future :-)

In part I liked Phantom Menace because the bad guys *did* win. Not as completely as they'd liked, true, but neither did they have as small a victory as the good guys would think... :-)

*** end spoilers ***
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:41:03 PM
IP: athe530-h118.otenet.gr

On a brighter topic--


Servarius Jr. I saw the pic of you as a kid. Very darling!! Tell me about the puppy- that too is cute--both of you make a very Kodac moment.

jenna
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:19:10 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Greetings all... didn't have much to say over the weekend, due to the fact me and the missus were on the road, trying to visit people in Portland and in Seattle. Nearly got together with Christine, but our traveling timing wasn't too well planned (sigh!)... Will try again soon, Chris! I promise!

Only good thing about this weekend was we got to spend time on a houseboat on the Columbia River in Portland. :)

DATING - I don't do much of that, and never did because I learned from an early age that my general body type (see fat) isn't what most women look for. Of course, I met my missus and we were head over heels for each other's spirit and personality, so our bodies were a moot point when we did meet...

As far as searching for a future mate goes, one thing has always puzzled me: Women say they want a man that's caring, supportive, a good father figure, who'll never abuse or cheat on them... all good qualities. BUT, they'll turn around and go for the Fabio-esque chump that will dump them in a heartbeat, or do all of the things they've said they don't want to happen... and yet they'll do everything to stay with such a creature, even if it means trauma or death!

WHY?!?

***end Rant***

Fan Letters - Never had the type like Spike gets on "Dispair & Deliverence" (Bows to the Mistress of the Pen)... but, someone at one time from Czechoslovakia wrote to tell me she considered me to be the #1 Fanfic writer for Gargoyles... Well, that ain't true, I'm not #1. But it's letters that tell me people ENJOY reading my stories are what gives me a boost! Sure, I'll accept critizisms and comments, but tell me that I entertained you... that will really make my head swell! :)

That's all for now... Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:47:06 AM
IP: m12.ieway.com

*** FOX CANCELLATIONS ***

"Big Guy and Rusty" and "Spider-man Unlimited" are being dropped, along with "Harsh Realm." Damn. I kinda liked "Big Guy and Rusty."

It's a sad thing when the most anticipated shows are the first ones to go.

Anyway, we'll be seeing more "Digimon" and "Monster Rancher."

Ugh.

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:35:24 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Dating AND Fan Letters--in the same post!

The first guy I dated was a friend from cadets. Dating your best friend is a BAD idea if you aren't both attracted to each other. Basically, I was attracted to him, and he was just lonely. The end was not pretty.

I never really "dated" conventionally because I couldn't be bothered. Very few people shared my interests. This was why I fell for my friend, who was a cadet, liked WWII, wrote military stories, etc. Most everyone else thought I was a freak. I didn't care. I'd learned when I was a little kid that the fastest way to be miserable is to pretend to be someone you're not. The fact that I was a tomboy, felt most comfortable in Docs and combat pants, and loved cartoons meant I didn't have a lot in common with most people. Interestingly enough, the friend I dated considered me his best friend and the only person who shared his interest, but was constantly falling for the ditzy prom-queen types. :-P

So since I couldn't be bothered actively looking for someone to date, since I didnt' care that much about dating and wasn't really looking for a boyfriend, I passed my evenings reading fan fic and one day made the fateful move of sending a fan letter to Dylan P. Blacquiere about his latest fic, "Immortal Beloved."

Two months later we were chatting regularly.
Four months later we were asking "does this count as going out?" (Answer: "I guess so")
Currently we have been a couple for 29 months (!! two and a half years!!) and spend every vacation together...

Moral: Love will hit you like a friggin' Mack truck when and where you least expect it.

Who the hell would've thought that I'd get a very, very serious boyfriend from one little fan letter??

By some weird twist of fate, while Dylan fussed that he wasn't athletic-looking, he looked eerily like my ex. I know my jaw dropped when I saw his picture. Me, on the other hand, I ain't much to look at but luckily Dylan was already pretty much head-over-heels by the time he saw my picture...and fortunately by then he was so biased, he thought I got prettier every time he looked at it. :-)

Yeah, I know, weird but true...of course having any kind of NORMAL relationship would be beyond me ;-)
Stormy - [<--Check out the pic Spike did for me!]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:13:59 AM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Hugs again to you Aaron- hang in there!! :)
jenna
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:08:16 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Uhm,Servaris Jr. -hope I didn't totally misconstrew the topic with my response below.And put my foot in my mouth. If I did- please ignore it
jenna
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:05:25 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Jenna> Thanks. Hugz back.

Blue Caeru> Actually, the part about Gattica I found scariest wasn't the unborn genetic tampering, but the evaluation of the rest of us strictly by our genes. If we get to that, I'm pretty much screwed.

Wilek> A consentual version of what happened to the mutates?!? Sign me up.

Had a really weird thought sometime late last night: Pokemon type 501, Gravoid. Worm-type pokemon. Very dangerous. BTW, I've been told that Pikachu's Summer Vacation will be shown as a short before the Pokemon movie. I hope so. That means we get twenty minutes of peace, happiness, and "Teamwork can accomplish anything", followed by two hours of Pokemon basically beating the crap out of each other.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:59:24 AM
IP: ppp-37.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

hmmm-did not expect to get that many reactions to my little speel--

SErvauis Jr- whoa. uhmm, didn't mean to inspire that much a rant. uhm, I do think my husbands very good looking, for a fact. Others didn't think so, and the finaces were something that was brought to my attention by a lot of my family members. I was kind of encouraged to marry up the social ladder, and I chose to marry for love.
Sorry if I offended you, or gave you the wrong idea. I love Michael (my hubby) very much- more than anything else. Took me a while (in my life) to look for the things that matter, but I'm glad I finally did. and as I fell more in love with him, there became no one on earth who was a beautiful, exciting and handsome to me as Mike. Whatever reserves I had- that he wasn't picture perfect, or rich,or wasn't someone who mom wanted to see me with, have long sense passed. Indeed, now, I am ashamed that I ever felt them.And these were only in the beginning of our courtship mind you. Love replaced them. Now I know I never made a wiser choice.
jenna
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:28:43 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Twice in a week, that's almost arecord for me.
Dating> I remember one phrase. "Nice guys finish last, but isn't that what all women want?" Gave me a chuckle.

Egg auction> I'll take the advocate position, just to be contrarywise. I would argue that the egg auction is altogether appropriate. Parents look for every advantage to give their children. And beauty is advantage in this world. If you disagree with that take a look at the absorbiant fees the lastest teen hearthtrob or the sexiest man/woman alive demand to be in the next vacuous movie. You don't even need to go to Hollywood. Beauty is a survival technique in our society. As soon as a girl learns that if she flips her hair or smile a certain way, people do things for you, as soon as a guy realizes that girls find him so dream and other guys want to be associated with that, beauty gives them an advantage others don't. So I would argue that beauty while not a evolutionary trait, certainly adds to the survival and prosperity to an individual.

As far as the auction, I agree it's news because it's on the internet and it is about woman. My belief is that if this were sperm or if it were sold through another medium it wouldn't be news. For some reason, I hear 'Nobel Prize' and 'Olympic Gold Medal' sperm and laugh out hystericaly.

This doesn't scare as far as the genetic engineering. What sccares me is what's going on, that isn't making it to the news. The stuff done without anyone watching. I'd be more worried about that than someone selling eggs o nthe internet.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:22:03 AM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

*looks at previous post*
Bleah... it's too early in the morning for melodrama.

Here's your cheap laugh of the day.

There's 5 TGS characters.
There's 2 chat personnas.
There's 4 real people (all seen at G99, incidentally)
And all the rest are denizens of The Rockaway night club from my fanfics.
Spike
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:10:51 AM
IP: pppt04-84.ght.iadfw.net

Fanfic letters>>
Well, if there was one thing I'd change about the gargs-fan.org archive, I'd pull off that stupid star rating thing and replace it with an email button direct to the author. I *miss* fan letters. Oh, there's posts in comment rooms and congratulations in chats which is nice --- but it's not the same.

I've have some really great fan letters in my time. I've had several guys comment on my Lex saga on how much his experiences with love have mirrored their own. The most touching letters have been from "Despair and Deliverance." (Funny thing -- I almost didn't write this one because it didn't have that much to do with Gargoyles. Dylan Blacquiere talked me into it.) I've heard leukemia survivors and people who have family going through chemotherapy and the most touching was from an Army sergeant whose mother had just been diagnosed with an advanced state of liver(?) cancer. It had advanced to other organs so in her case, it was a case maintaining her quality of life for as long as she had. He wrote that by reading my story, it helped him to channel all the anger and helplessness that he felt over his mother's illness and that helped him to cry, which made it a little better. He wrote me back a few months later to tell me his mother had died and to thank me all over again. It still makes me teary.

It's curious but while we don't write necessarily for other people, sometimes we touch other lives in ways we'll never know.
Spike
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 09:47:12 AM
IP: pppt04-84.ght.iadfw.net

Hi, guys. The Norwegian Main Internet server seems to have been dead for the last two days...

Blue Caeru: Hey, if you wanna study sociology, I doubt there's any one in here that won't stand behind you. All the better to stab you in the back... ;) But seriously, I think it could be a good idea to have one of the intelligent, level-headed CR Dwellers in Sociology, as well as those we have in other branches of knowledge.

Marc Dadigan: Welcome to our humble Mental Institution... Enjoy your stay. Please leave your sanity at the door for proper disposal. Ooooo... you're in film? I envision a script for the movie known as "Joyride"... pleeeez?

Yggdrasil: The Ninjas were THAT bad? I knew they were hired assassins, but THAT sneaky? Oh, well, there goes the last ounce of respect for their warrior codes...

Sevarius Jr.: Uh... I must admit, your comment on my linguistic abilities left me slightly confused... <Let me say, that even for an individual who does not speak English as his native language, you are quite skilled at doing so.> EVEN for someone who does NOT have English etc.? Either the word "even" should be gone, or it should be replaced by "especially" or any of its synonyms... or maybe I'm just reading too much into things, as usual. As for the translator bit: You don't happen to buy your groceries from one of those Pakistani-owned shops, would you? That would explain a lot... of course, the worst thing about ANY language, in my book, is the concept of Dialects and Sociolects... those can be pretty hard to work out, and I myself often find certain terms in Norwegian baffling and incomprehensible...

Wilek: You and I should someday join forces... my luck is the precise opposite: A Lot Of Freaky Stuff Happens Around Me, and I am the one you can be SURE suffers no direct consequences, save the possible vengefulness of those unfortunate enough to surround me. Someone throws a snowball at me, you can be certain that I sneeze, and the ball hits the person next to me. I stay away from school with a case of the flu, and you can be sure that something freaky happens at school... at one such time there was a half-dozen dead rats in the ventilation system... and I was away for that day... weird.... just weird. But of course, such freaky fortune does NOT grant me the necessary fortune to hit the Lottery Jackpot, noooo, the biggest prize I ever won was the least, upward of ten bucks... Freaky, but if we team up, we could lead pretty normal lives, the both of us, aye? Oh, and I am not reminded of any Pokémon by Ye Tome of Lovecraftian Roleplay... but that is only because we don't have Pokémon in Norway yet... in any size, shape or flavour. Can you possibly IMAGINE why I have such negative feelings about my own homeland? When your New World Order... hey, think you could fix me a job, giving me direct command over Europe, or at least Scandinavia? I've got a bone to pick with their politicians, Tax Politics in particular...

Halloween Costumes: I may have mentioned this before, but we don't have that manner of celebration in Norway. Norway sucks.

Random Band Name Generator: Just about as silly as the Random Hero Name Generator... when do we get a Random Personality Generator?

Jessie: Tarot Cards? Uh, well, I have a Waite deck, but I haven't managed to work out much of it, since the deck and the little handbook are in German... and you may have detected my antipathy to that particular language... But the Faerie Tarot sounds intriguing... how much?

Fire Storm: Uh... lemme see, one US inch is about 2.5cm, or 25mm... so that would mean that 6mm is about... uhh... just less than a quarter inch, I reckon... The guy who's auctioning away those eggs calls it Natural Selection? Phah, ridicolous... UNnatural selection is more like it. Sevarius indeed. And merchandising body parts like that, I doubt it is illegal, provided you have the correct licenses for it. But I think you have to get the paperwork through... and I won't even speculate HOW he acquired those eggs...

Blue Caeru, again: You mix Sociology and Marketing, and you have a VERY powerful means of persuasion... and such powers shouldn't be given any man, woman or gargoyle... and FAR less any member of the Third Race...

Toku Kaioto: Man, another beautiful post from your fingertips... what the heck do you do all day? Looking at the World today, one single phrase comes to mind... Veni, vidi, volo im domum redire. I'll translate it for you unless someone beats me to it...

This wretched world: Nice Guys Finish Last, that is true... but on the bright side, Nice Guys have a better chance of enjoying the final steps in peace, than do the less nice...

Jenna: Well, at least you're happy with your choice of mate... Looks aren't everything, they just give you a head start... What's behind those looks is what will get you across the finish line in one piece.

The concept of Genetic Engineering: Ever seen the Koontz movie Watchers Reborn? Now there's a bit of scary stuff... based on the book Watchers. Unfortunately, if I'm not mistaken, Mark Hamill did the directing, as well as seizing the lead role for himself. You can probably imagine the result...

Toku Kaioto, again: ANOTHER brilliant post? Oh, well, I don't frequent parties, nor do I frequent bars etc. where chances would be good to pick up a one-night-stand. Basically because I'm looking for more, but also because I don't consider it worth the effort to pick up some girl who's basically sh*tfaced, anyway. I mean, where's the real challenge? Deep down, I guess you could say I'm a hopeless romantic, born about 1500 years too late... Oh, and those "slutty" guys you mentioned: I know quite a few of those, too... you have my sincere sympathy. Or apathy, whichever you prefer. ;)

Christine: Read your fresh mini-rant about the egg-selling, and a phrase struck my eye... "Genetic Roulette"... what's that, the Sevarius version of Russian Roulette? ;) Ooooo, new Star Wars fic? *Stretches arms toward monitor* Must get NOW!

Batman: Oh, please, God, put those geniuses behind those ideas out of my misery A.S.A.P...

Sevarius Jr.: Cute pic. You the boy or the puppy?

Wilek again: Dat was a MARVELOUS Joyride... and I GOTTA get that accursed, foul SysAdmin to open the FTP port so that I may update the pages...

I see that whoever this Blomkvist fellow is, he is to be ignored. Blomkvist is my RL(?) name, and whoever typed that comment is a worthless humanoid impersonating me (or so he believes) and quite deserving an up-close-and-personal demonstration of... well, I dunno... Dim Mak? Nah, maybe a little too harsh... hmmm... but, I figure I cna at least give him a few aching joints through nerve manipulations... ;)

Well, now my replying has come to an end, and my fingers are starting to ache...

Oh, almost forgot... I am now completely done with removing the HTML code from Dark Ages and Pendragon (Season one, I don't bother with Pendragon season Two since it's identical to some of the episodes in Gargoyles Season Two...), and I have now but the two Two-seasoners left... uuuuuurgh...

Well, I must be going. Soon dinner time.

Later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 09:29:10 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Blue Caeru: eugenics: Oh yeah. If that isn't the start of genetic engineering, I don't know what is.

BTW... soon they will have a MALE supermodel sperm acution.

TJ: WOAH! It *IS* legal?

Taleweaver: There is a phrase I like to remember: Nice guys finish last.
I try to be a nice guy, but at times it just dosn't seem worth it. People try to take advantage of my good nature and helpfullness. Pisses me off sometimes. Some people apreciate it, but no where near enough.
Almost makes me want to go bad so I can get ahead in life.

SJ: Well, just one question: Were you able to get it installed?
If so, you did better than 90% of Mustek scanner buyers at Office Depot.
Yep. We had a 90% return rate on those things.
If it works, DON'T TOUCH IT!
Aww... what a cute wittle puppy!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 08:40:41 AM
IP: t2-17.visitus.net

hello fellow devils
i have to go must......... have......................................foooooooooooooooooood...........................

Blomkvist
måløy, xxxxx, måløy
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 08:24:32 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Wilek - Gattaca is a movie from several years back that took place about thirty to forty years down the road. In it there are two classes of people: valids and invalids. The valids are people who were genetically engineered to a point(if I remember correctly they would choose one egg from the mother and one sperm from the father that would provide the child with the wanted abilities). The invalids were the children born naturally. The invalids were pretty much reduced to menial labor such as janitors and had poorer living conditions.
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 07:41:43 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Hi all!!

First off I'd like to say happy belated birthday to Gargoyles and to anybody else who had birthdays that I missed.

Super model eggs:Others have said this better than I could and I agree ,It's sick and wrong.

Dating:I'm afraid I've never had any experience in matters of love.I've often wondered what it's like.(Oh good God,that sounds so much like a Star Trek line:))

Hmm I guess I really don't that have much to say tonight,I've always been a better listener than a talker and I have a full days work ahead of me tommorrow so goodnight all!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 07:38:44 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

**JOYRIDE!**

[Wilek and the Riders (sounds like a bizarre 50's band) are cruising about in the modified hearse Chthulhu, the Cadillac following behind on autopilot, when Pistoff spots two hitchhikers...Pistoff: "Heh heh heh...Hey guys, guess who's looking for a ride home." Everyone looks out the window...Wilek: "Well if it isn't the good doctor Robert Nguyen and everyone's favorite hacker-gremlin Mr. Disconnect. What say we give them a lift? MUHAHAHAHA!!!" Jack Hammer stops the car, and the Riders get out and approach their latest victims, exuding an air of menace. DC: "Oh shoot..." Nguyen: "Who the...oh ye gods, let's get out of here!" Miriam keeps them from doing so by ensnaring them in a bola thingie (where in the world...?) and the others gather 'round to feast. Warpmind: "Well lookie here. Haven't seen you in a while, Doc." Nguyen: "I...I...uh..." Xanathar: "Eloquently put. Why don't we give these mooks a taste of old-fashioned vigilante justice, hm?" Pistoff: "First, you, Doc. We never did thank you properly for your research, did we?" Pistoff proceeds to ram his ever-present cattle prod up Nguyen's arse, then leave it there while pouring a foul-looking concoction down his throat. Wilek: "What is that?" Pistoff: "The purple stuff." Warpmind: "The cleaning fluid that can dissolve a person's roof?" Xanathar: "The stuff that's probably banned in seventeen states?!" Pistoff: "Yup. Between that and the prod, the coroner's going to have a *real* interesting specimen to study. Approprate, no?" Wilek: "I probably say this too much for your own good, Pis, but I like the way your mind works. <evil grin> Now, to you, DC..." Wilek retrieves a sleeping bag from the back of Cthulhu. He then handcuffs Mr. Disconnect--with razor-edged cuffs--and stuffs him in the sleeping bag. He then pours in a jar of carnivorous pirahna beetles and seals the sleeping bag shut. After DC's muffled screaming dulls to a shuddering whimper, DC picks up the sleeping bag and repeatedly slams it against the nearest tree, killing all the pirahna beetles and reducing DC to a sack of battered meat and bone shards. But he's still alive and conscious, so Wilek dumps him and the dead bugs out of the bag and proceeds to work him over with a few knives, whips, and other implements of pain for a while before covering him with bleach (which reacts interestingly with cuts and abrasions) and letting him marinate in his own agony for a while. When *that* is over with, Wilek pours kerosene on him and sets him on fire.]

**END**

Jessie> <<Is anyone in here interested in Tarot cards? I am printing an edition of 10 original sets for my Advanced Printmaking class. Two sets are going to go to Allison (the friend being married) and her hubby, because she inspired the design: The Faerie Tarot.>> Kewl. Admittedly, I have my doubts regarding the Tarot's ability to predict the future, but I do like Tarot cards (almost bought a set I found at Waldenbooks). :)

Fire Storm> <<Hmm... Ok, but I get to have Mars, ok?>> Um...<blink> Sure thing, although I'd suggest bringing along a few dreadnaughts to clear out the local population that NASA doesn't want us knowing about. ;)

Kaioto> Once again, you've spoken out on the whole egg issue better than I could ever hope to. :) <<There are people out there who want children who are of this hair color and this eye color. There are people who want children pre-disposed to be tall. There are people who want their children to have a genius level IQ. As you can see, each notch we raise the bar not only brings us closer and closer to genetic engineering, but also heaps so many unwarranted and more and more unlikely expectations on this child.>> <sigh> Sick, that. I mean, I can understand someone wanting to alter *oneself* (I'm given to believe that a consensual version of what was done to the Mutates would be quite popular; I know I'd be the first to sign up if I were human to begin with), but...to do something like that to a *child*...<shudder> Disturbing implications...

Aaron> <<My brother had a geneticist come talk to his 9th grade science class. (No it was not a melodramatic redhead) who said something along the lines of "Hey kids, ya seen Gattica? We're about five years from that.">> Um...if I knew anything about Gattica, somehow I get the feeling I would have run screaming from the classroom...<<And as for Pikachu killing the Chihuahua, they're both rats when you come right down to it. Pika's just cuter.>> True. That and he owns up to it--Pikachu's very name means something along the lines of 'electric rodent'. ^_^

Dating> Mad global domination conspirators like myself have little time for such nonsense...

SJ> <<Hope everyone's had a good day today. I did...until this evening. I won't go into it, but there's nothing like being told you're worthless by a family member. Really adds a nice touch to the day!>> What...?! That...it...<shudder> There are no words. >:( Batman News> Eh...? I hope neither of these are true; I'd much rather see the rumored script that has the Scarecrow as the villain. <<I don't agree with parents "choosing" their child's genes. I'm not talking about appearance, I'm talking about the whole thing--physical AND mental abilities. Jesus F-ing Christ, that has to be the ULTIMATE parental oppression/control. "I want my kid to not only be beautiful (by society's shallow surface standards), but I want them to be perfect in math, have an IQ of 200, and play the piano like a master!" If that kind of crap happens, you'll only be what your parents/elders want you to be. And, unfortunately, you can't rebel against your genes.>> Oh, so true. And the sick punchline: Stuff like IQ and math and music skills--and even some aspects of appearance--aren't inherited (for the most part, anyhow), they're *acquired*. So even if you're a clone of Mozart, there's no guarantee you can so much as play Chopsticks. So basically whoever's stupid enough to buy supermodel eggs will probably be spending a lot of money for nothing. $<<I think we should let the Prime kick us around--or have him get kicked around, either way :)-for another couple of days before he gets it. Plus, before he goes kablooey, there's part two of my "shocking" surprise ;)>> But of course. <g> This will be fun...hehehe...$

Jewel> <<A girl who read my fanfic e-mailed me to say that she liked what I was doing, and to say that I had inspired her to be able to "write and create music again" and that I helped her "find passion in life, music, and love once again." I haven't written her back yet, because I've been so floored that I haven't known what to say. I don't usually get all that much fanmail, so when I get any, I'm always rather floored, but one like this one really just leaves me stunned and in a state of disbelief that something I wrote could have an affect like that on someone. (I admit to thinking my writing is 'decent' in general and occasionally spikes at 'good,' so whenever anyone thinks otherwise, I'm always kinda in shock.) What have all you fanfic writers out in the CR done when you get letters like this, where someone says you've actually kinda, well, in some small way affected their life?>> Um...I've never gotten a letter like that. :)

Doug> <<Always be FUUCK towards your boyfriend/girlfriend. By the way, if anyone's curious, that stands for Friendly, Understanding, Unselfish, Caring, and Kind. :)>> That *has* to be from the same acronym department that thought up the Apogee Sound System...

Jaden> <<I don't whether to fall down crying or to just start CHOKING EVERYONE I COME ACROSS!!!!>> Sometimes it's very cathartic to do both in the reverse order. >;)

**RP!**

[Forfexx is in the process of furiously slashing at Phalanx Prime, and neither seems to be winning--Forfexx's liquid-metal physiology and Prime's healing abilities keep them from hurting each other for long, but Prime is severely distracted, long enough for the Administrator to start preparing a modified batch of assimilation nanites...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 04:23:40 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Arggh. Sorry I've been away again, but I had a migraine for a couple days. I don't know why, but they seem to stick around forever for me. Finally starting to feel better now, so I'm back.

As far as my fan fic goes, I've been stuck on my Gargs fic for a while now. I've got the whole story done, but there's one scene that every time I read, Elisa hits me up the back of the head and says "That's not what I would do." I've rewritten it three times, and I still can't get it to flow right. And I can't just sack the scene because its important to the plot.

Harsh Realm - I never did get a chance to see this show, but I'm sorry to see that it's getting canned. It seems like Fox isn't giving the show a chance. But then, they rarely give any of their SciFi type shows a chance. Strange Luck, VR.5, Brimstone, and several others were dropped after half a season or less. And I thought they all had a lot of potential.

Happy Birtday to Gargoyles and those in here who have had birthdays recently.

The Phantom Menace - I thought this was a good movie, but not as good as the other Star Wars movies. Empire Strikes Back remains my favorite. You don't get to see the bad guys win too often in movies...

Dating - I'm twenty, and I have never been on a serious date in my life. I mean by serious, that it is something romantic, rather than two friends doing something together. The fact is that most of the females I know, I wouldn't be interested in dating. I went to a small high school where everybody knew everyone else. I've always been kind of quiet and observant. Most of the girls I knew there were tramps. Not all of them, but most. In fact, two of the dozen or so who I knew weren't are the only ones that are still together (one couple is maried, the other is waiting until after college to decide for sure). In college, most of the women I've met I wouldn't even consider dating. The fact is, no matter how good looking they are I really am not interested in going out with someone who goes to parties several times a month.

The women I've been interested in dating (and there have been less than a handful) are people who know fairly well. The problem is that they either already had boyfriends or are currently elsewere (one is in California, quite a distance from Iowa).

I'll freely admit that I'm not that good looking of a guy. And conventional 'beauty' is not something I seriously look for. There are more things to consider than just this. In fact, one of the most 'beautiful' women I know a lot of people wouldn't think that much of. She dresses somewhat conservatively and wear's very little makeup, but is fun to be with and a very nice person. A female friend of mine once said something that puts my view of beauty in perfect perspective: "I want [a man] who's interested in the size of my heart, not just the size of my bra."

And as far as the women who have dated a bunch of losers and want to know where the 'good men' are, they have one of two problems. Either they aren't looking in the right place, or the 'good men' aren't interested in them.

S.J. - <<Chris Carter struck gold with X-Files; he had a decent thing--for the first season at least--with Millennium>> I actually think that the third (and final) season of Millennium was the best. In the first two seasons, Frank's wife was always there to some degree to help keep himself emotionally stable. In the third season we saw him have to deal with problems by himself.

jewel - wow! I can only hope that my fanfic someday gets a response like that. Congratulations. And as far as having an insomnia night, I know where you're coming from. I tend to be an insomniac myself (as evidenced by the fact that I'm still awake and coherent at nearly 3:00 AM.

Jaden - Sorry to hear about your problems at school. I hope you get everything worked out (it would majorly suck if you had to wait an extra semester to graduate).

The egg - I know this is legal, but I still think it's disgusting. To think that someone would auction off something like this is a sorry statement about our society. And to call it evolution is stupid. Evolution is something that allows a species to more easily survive. And beauty is not something people need to survive in this world. Besides, the selling of a female egg in this manner is something I don't agree with. Fertility clinics allow women to screen prospective donors to a certain measure. This seems to be reaching out to people not who are infertile, but who are rich.

And as far as eugenics goes, this is one of the true nightmares of our times. I think one of the biggest problems with science today is that too many people who are using it don't have many moral values. If this becomes a reality, it would be a sort of forced evolution. A society where children are not just encouraged, but expected to be the very best at everything they do. The problem with science, is that it can lead to horrors scarier than vampires and demons. I know it can also lead to good things, but everything good comes with a price.

Thought for the day:
"We are standing on the proverbial slippery slope, and if we're not careful, there's a big fall out there that's just waiting to happen."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 03:54:50 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Just a quick post.

I don't whether to fall down crying or to just start CHOKING EVERYONE I COME ACROSS!!!! First it turns out the this teacher I really wanted for two of my classes because he was nice and a good teacher, couldn't come to his classes because he's having open heart surgery. So now I have this much HARDER teacher and now he tells me that there is a good chance that one of my classes might be cancelled due to lack of enrollment. This means I might be stuck in school for another semester. You know I'm beginning to think that I'm in that one place...oh what's it call? Oh yes HELL!

Egg auction- I just had this conversation in my class tonight so I'll say the same thing here as I did there. Except for the auction itself this is kind of like a sperm bank. I don't think this would be such a big subject if it wasn't done on the Internet.

Dating- I've never been big on having dates. I'm looking for a long term relationship with someone, but I don't intend on staying in this boring area for the rest of my life so I don't want to start something I might not be able to finish. The best advice I could give when going out on a date is don't pretend to be something your not, because if you get into a long term relationship, your going to show your partner your true self sooner or later. I hope I got my meaning across.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 02:28:59 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Well, it's an insomnia night...

SJ: That picture is sooooooooooooooo cute! I mean, awwwwwww! Small child...puppy...awwwwwwww! And while speaking of broken links to pictures, the picture link on your bio page is broken--no pic, just that annoying "broken link" icon...

OK, Jewel try go sleep now. Try...
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 02:19:05 AM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

Just a couple of quick things tonight.

Jewel: I wouldn't know, I've never gotten that kind of letter. <sighs> Oh well, your writing definitely deserves that sort of praise WAY more than mine does. :)

Supermodel Eggs: Despicable. Not only that people are selling them, but that supermodels actually agreed to let it happen (if the eggs were obtained without their consent, I don't want to know how it happened!). Must be doing this to get all the losers who want to father their children off their backs without having to sleep with them (just my opinion). <shakes head sadly> Sometimes I think we live in a very sick and morally horrifing world. My conclusion on this topic? This would never have happened if the losers stopped pestering supermodels, got off their butts, and found a life. Same deal for the snake-oil merchants selling the eggs. That's all I have to say about that.

Dating: Great post on this troublesome subject, Kaioto. You too, Jewel and Taleweaver. Thanks for the good advice, I'm sure a lot of people in here can use it. I myself don't have to worry, having found my one and only. <grins, hugs Kit> I do remember my dating years, however, and they weren't pleasant. Well, parts of them were, but overall I got more rejections, fights, and bitter breakups than successes, kisses, and lifelong friends. But that's in the past. My last try at dating succeeded, and so I am happy. <grin> The best advice I can give to those still in the "trying things out" zone is to read the aforementioned posts and take them to heart. <flicks on Love Doctor Mode> Also remember these cardinal rules:
1. Never assume a girl/guy does or does not want to date you. It never hurts to ask them, sometimes you might even succeed. But if you fail, that's okay too, and the failure is lessened if you didn't go in assuming success. Success is also better if you go in without expectations. It's really good if you go in expecting to fail, but that's beside the point. :)
2. Always be FUUCK towards your boyfriend/girlfriend. By the way, if anyone's curious, that stands for Friendly, Understanding, Unselfish, Caring, and Kind. :)
3. Trust your friends above all else during the relationship. I know from unfortunate experience that people can sometimes see other people or even plan to break up with you behind your back. If your friends know about it, whether or not you have suspicions, listen to what they tell you (friends usually will say if they have reason to believe something's going on). Then quietly investigate the matter, hopefully without alerting your partner, and deal with it in your own way once you know whether or not the rumors are true.
4. Never move things too fast. If you or the other person wants the relationship to move ahead and you don't, talk to them and see if you can reach understanding. If not, the relationship was not meant to be.
5. Know when it's time to end a relationship and do so quickly to avoid heartbreak, keeping suggestions 2 and 3 in mind. A lot of emotional pain could be avoided if more people did this.
6. And finally, if your relationship does succeed, don't rest on your laurels. Remember, a relationship is NEVER supposed to be an easy thing. It continues to be an ongoing trial for as long as it goes on. Every argument, no matter how minor, has the potential to destroy the relationship if allowed to blow out of proportion too much. So always try your best to keep relations smooth, while following the above rules, and I can probably guarentee you'll have a good relationship. I hope you will, at least. That's all. <switches off Love Doctor Mode>

And that's all I had to say tonight. Later!
Doug
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 01:17:47 AM
IP: pool-207-205-237-103.dlls.grid.net

Jewel: Damn it, that link did not work....I forgot to put the http in the url box. Well, NOW it should work. Nice comments, btw ;)

CLICK ON MY NAME TO SEE THE REALLY CUTE ME! I'M ABOUT 7 YEARS OLD, AND I SWEAR, I WAS A CUTE KID! Don't know what the hell happened to me now. Guess I fell apart ;) But I was cute then, honest ;0]
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 01:09:46 AM
IP: 207-172-52-107.s107.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Sorry for the double post, but I got the coolest e-mail a few days ago. A girl who read my fanfic e-mailed me to say that she liked what I was doing, and to say that I had inspired her to be able to "write and create music again" and that I helped her "find passion in life, music, and love
once again." I haven't written her back yet, because I've been so floored that I haven't known what to say. I don't usually get all that much fanmail, so when I get any, I'm always rather floored, but one like this one really just leaves me stunned and in a state of disbelief that something I wrote could have an affect like that on someone. (I admit to thinking my writing is 'decent' in general and occasionally spikes at 'good,' so whenever anyone thinks otherwise, I'm always kinda in shock.) What have all you fanfic writers out in the CR done when you get letters like this, where someone says you've actually kinda, well, in some small way affected their life?
Eep.




jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:50:11 AM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

SJ: I tried your link; it gave a "404 not found" error...

Model eggs: I was disgusted when I saw this. EVen more taht I was when I found out about the adds in Ivy League colege papers from a couple who were willing to pay $35,000 for a blonde, 5'8" woman with an IQ of at least 135 or so to donate eggs. It does smack of Eugenics.

****Quick history lessons*****
Nazi Germany *did* have a eugenics program. It got started, in fact, because of the good U.S. of A--Buck v. Bell. This was a case where a girl considered of "low" stock (sub-intelligence, low morals) got pregnant. Never mind she was raped by a stepbrother. No, Carrie Buck's pregnancy was the result of low morals. The state of Virginia, I beleive, had passed a eugenics law, and they wanted to sterilize her.--her mother'd had low intelligence, she had low intelligence, and teh baby, only a few months old, looekd to have low intelligence (never mind the baby *didn't*) She fought it, it went to the supreme court, and the court found teh state had the right to sterilize her...with the immortal words, "Three generations of imbeciles is enough." About 20 states passed eugenics laws in the 20's and 30's. Hitler saw this, and pointed to "America's great strides" for purity, although said we weren't going far enough. Well, they made up for that.
In Nazi Germany, they created the term "Lebes unwertes Leben"--"Life unworthy of life." Anyone with a congenital--or *perceived* congenital--failing was billed to be unworthy of life. Doctors and nurses became killers. The first gas chambers were created to kill the life unworthy of life, and teh families lied to--it was only when it was discovered (through slip-ups being told someone died of appendicitis when they person'd had their appendix removed in childhood) that people realized what was going on and the killing of the "lebes unwertes leben" was halted. But the sterilizations continued. They were done quickly, with little thoughts to patient survival, and lot of teh women who were forciby sterilized died. Many prisioners in Aushwitz were tested on with radiation to find faster ways of mass sterilization. Y'all don't even want to know what happened to some of teh people this was done to. But anyway, peopel could be sterilized for being mischlinge--half Aryan, half Jew or Black; they could be sterilized for being blind, deaf...or not being Nazis (seen as being "morally deficient," which could be passed on to children).
******End lesson********

Adoption: WARNING. RANT. BIG TIME. It's disgusting the way kids get treated by the system. My mom used to keep foster children--specifically babies, since she was good with them--and we saw all kinds coming through. I still remember how both of us were in shock when we had a baby girl who was in *good* health, well feed, well dressed, and happy--we couldn't figure out why she wasin foster care (it turned out her mom had been arrested for shoplifting baby clothes--we said, "well, at least we know she was *trying* to take care of her kid"). My youngest brother, who was adopted, was born addicted to crack and went through withdrawl for ten months, and was on a heart monitor for the first year of his life. THere are so many little kids out there that need homes. All these little yupsters trying to buy the perfect baby...for God's sake, there are all these kids out there that *really* need someone...but these asses only want the perfect little Aryan babies. It makes me sick. And as for the Black people pitching fits when White couples want to adopt Black babies...they seem to forget most Black couples *don't* want dark-skinned Black babies. The preference, and this is documented, is for high yellas and bi-racial babies--the closer to White. How dare *anyone* get in the way of a child going to a stable home? I thought that crap was stupid before I lived in a house with foster kids, I really think so after, after seeing the hell these kids go through, being dragged from pillar to post by a government agency that doesn't pay as much attention as it needs to--seen by the fact that a seven year old we kept was given to another foster family, and she was raped by her new foster father. No. These kids need stability.

Dating: You meet the assholes everywhere. I met a prime example once at a Barnes and Nobles. The guy was French Algerian, to die for accent. I figured this was not *my* life to be asked out by someone like him (he thought I was 'exotic' and had 'cool hair', and it's because of him that I have the almost allergic reation to the word 'exotic'). I found out in about twenty minutes (if that) into our date precisely what he wanted from me (he seemed to think that me saying "No" was only a temporary thing, and I would change my mind five minutes later...and seemed to think that he had a right to put his hands wherever he wanted to, no matter how much I shoved him off) and he called me a bitch for not putting out (and this was the *very* Cliff-notes version of the date). That was my first, last, and *only* date, and, funny, I have no burning urge to suffer through another. Although I did observe my friends dating while I was in college. A lot of them went through the phase of hooking up with guys at parties and reveling in their sexuality, but all of them settled down after a year or two of being wild, and got into stable relationships. Most of them, in fact, seem to be on the marriage-track with their men. <g> I get the feeling in about two years, I'm going to be bridesmaid at a lot of weddings...

Keanu as Batman: No, no, no, no, no.
Ben Affleck as Batman: No, no, no, no, no.
Shumacher directing Batman: Please God, end the torture.

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:39:51 AM
IP: cj809262-a.dlcty1.va.home.com

**Robby walks in, carrying a note, and then collapses onto the ground. The note simply says "Too... ,uch... school work... too... Tired to post..."**
Robby
Monday, October 25, 1999 11:43:00 PM
IP: spider-ta013.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP***
"Enough with the foreplay," Prime growled. "Why don't we handle this with our own bare hands?"
"A lovely idea," the Administrator replied coldly.
"Um....guys, there are others in the room," Wilek began. "You should probably respect the safety of others--" He was cut off by a one of Prime's arms, which he had morphed into a blade-like appendage and taken a swing at the Administrator. The Borg barely ducked in time to avoid decapitation; Wilek, who was standing near her, nearly got his bangs trimmed the hard way.
"Maybe we should step aside for a moment, let them sort things out..." Kari mused.
"Naw," Forfexx said with a smile. "Why let them hog all the fun?" And with that, the warrior jumped into the battle, leaping at Prime...
***PAUSE RP***

Hope everyone's had a good day today. I did...until this evening. I won't go into it, but there's nothing like being told you're worthless by a family member. Really adds a nice touch to the day!

Anyway, lots of Entertainment Info.....
Harsh Realm stuff: Bad news is that this show could be DONE, as in CANCELED as early as *this* Friday. Ratings were never good, and they've been slipping. I myself caught some of the 3rd episode, and while better than the second, I still don't think it was much to be proud of. Chris Carter struck gold with X-Files; he had a decent thing--for the first season at least--with Millennium; but I think he may have struck out with this one.

Angel News: Looks like Doyle is gone from the show. They're supposed to kill his character off about the ninth episode (I don't count this as a spoiler because the friggin' news release mentions this). I think it's a shame; how can we get to know and care for a character in such a short amount of time? Doyle has room for a host of development, and interesting storylines (heck, his own complicated heritage is a story in itself!). The move to off him so quickly has me worried. The show's getting good ratings as it is, there's no need to start majorly screwing around with it.

Batman Movie News: I don't want to believe either of this is true....but the current rumor is now that there are TWO Batman scripts out there, and both are being considered. The first is a sort of "Batman: Year One" script with a younger Batman; not only is Schumacher (aka Satan, aka Mesphistopheles, aka Abaddon the Destroyer of All Things Holy, aka...) interested, but they're courting Ben "I'm Matt Damon's *Special* Friend" Affleck to play Bats. That's not the scary one.
The really frightening script is the one that's based on Batman Beyond. Starring guess who? Keanu Reeves as the new Batman. By Odin's Beard, what are they thinking? Yeah, Matrix was good, but Batman?! Let's not go crazy with the Keanu, okay? This is a guy who chose to not make any more films for a while to play with his grunge rock band. Sheesh.

BTW, Fight Club made more than the Scorcese flick. I only say this cause, well....I HATE Scorcese. I mean no offense to anyone in here, that's not my intent, I just am glad to see a Scorcese movie to do poorly...

Phantom Menace: I always thought it was a decent movie. The whole movie is enjoyable. Just parts of the whole are bad. Like, well, the acting was as stiff as a block of wood, the plot was thinner than paper, the villains were weak, many of the characterizations were flat (or in the case of certain characters--we know who--just downright annoying) and some of the alien CGI creatures looked like cartoons. But other than that, cool film. Not quite as good as Jedi, I think, but almost (I'm sorry, I'm one of those very strict SW fans that don't like the Ewoks ;)

Eugenics: This can be a very scary topic. Like Kaioto said, there's a very real "dark side" to this science. Wasn't it Hitler that was practicing his own form of eugenics in his quest for the master race? I agree with using the science to ensure the health of children in utero. However, the age of the "designer" gene is upon us. If you want a book that reflects upon this, go check out "Threshold" by Ben Mezrich. It's sort of a melodramatic pseudo-sci-fi thriller, but it does deal with eugenics and the human genome project. In the book, a group of researchers are working on mapping the human genes--all of them. Some, specifically, are working on particular ones, such as eye color. The result? Designer genes. Always wanted blue eyes, instead of those dull browns? No problem. Here's a quick shot, enjoy those baby blues for the rest of your life...or until you get tired of the color and come back for more. The reality of this is not that far off. It is perfection through science, but unfortunately, it's not *perfect health* through science, it's VANITY through science.
I don't agree with parents "choosing" their child's genes. I'm not talking about appearance, I'm talking about the whole thing--physical AND mental abilities. Jesus F-ing Christ, that has to be the ULTIMATE parental oppression/control. "I want my kid to not only be beautiful (by society's shallow surface standards), but I want them to be perfect in math, have an IQ of 200, and play the piano like a master!" If that kind of crap happens, you'll only be what your parents/elders want you to be. And, unfortunately, you can't rebel against your genes.

Dating: **WARNING: I am about to talk out of my ass here--forgive me if any offense is taken**
I have to agree with Kaioto and the others; dating today is atrocious, and almost not worthwhile. That sounds like a whine, I'm sure, but it is the way I see it. You figure, hey, do I really want to "party" with a girl or guy who are, often, as Kaioto puts it, sluts? I like to have a good enough time, alright, but do you really want a relationship with a woman (or for you ladies, a guy) who spends most of their time just getting bombed and dropping the buns? On a superficial level, that may be great, but it wears thin after a while.
Jenna, I don't want to single you out here, but you keep referring to how your husband was not the most attractive or the most affluent gentleman you dated. I know you are saying (at least I think you are) to prove that looks or money aren't as important as personality. The thing is, that line of thinking, while I think is correct, is met with unbelievable surprise and shock by most people. This, IMO, is what's wrong with relationships today; women are expected to date either a)real good-looking guys or b)real wealthy guys. Men are expected to date a)Real good looking girls or b)Real good looking girls who give up the buns easily. Jenna herself has said that the way her husband treated her was the deciding factor. Why is this such a surprise? I've known women who dated what you could call "sensitive" men, and are surprised at how well they treat them after the rows and rows of jerks they've been with. What the hell is this surprise? I'll out the men here, cause I'm most qualified to speak about them; most of the guys out in the dating pool are @$$holes. They're players. I went to a private school in high school, with lots and lots of the Beautiful People--almost all the good-looking guys were jerks, almost all the rich guys were jerks. They also broke up with their current girlfriends about every other week. The "sensitive" guys? Stayed with the same women for a minimum of 6 months to a year, if not longer. Like Kaioto sorta said, the saying "all the good men are taken" isn't exactly true; they're not taken, they just can't compete as well with the myriad of losers clogging up the system.
Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. If I have, I honestly, sincerely apologize.

Adoption: I can't even get into this. I'd go on a tyrade no on in here wants to hear. Let me just say this; anyone who legitimatelly adopts a kid and cares for them (instead of just using them as a tool to get a welfare check) as one of their own children has my total respect and admiration. There are so many individuals in this world who are not loved or cared for; to take a child, young or old, into your own home and give them the love they need; that qualifies for darn near sainthood in my book.

Wilek: I think we should let the Prime kick us around--or have him get kicked around, either way :)-for another couple of days before he gets it. Plus, before he goes kablooey, there's part two of my "shocking" surprise ;)

Fire Storm: Oh God....yep, it was a Mustek. That's bad, right? I figured as much. I got the thing dirt cheap, on sale. Oh well, it was within my pitifully small price range, and I figured I'd use the heck outta the thing than junk it if push came to shove. I'm not gonna use it for anything vitally important. Having a crummy one is better than having none, right? ;)

Jessie: What style Tarots are they? Is it the Order of the Golden Dawn? I've been looking for a good set of those; if they are, is there any chance you'd have a copy available for little ol' me?
BTW, I can sympathize with your radio station gig. I had a friend once who interned at a station, and he hated it. There was so much backbiting and petty fights all around, not to mention the program directors and general managers being jerks...Hope things work out there. Changing formats is not easy.

***RESUME RP***
Meanwhile, SJ crawled on his knees toward his father, who lay crumpled against the wall of the control center. The young hero coughed and winced in pain. "Dad? D-Dad, can you hear me?"
The elder Sevarius' eyes fluttered open. "Junior? I...I waited so long for you to come."
"I know dad. I got a little distracted. But I'm here now. I won't let him hurt you." He reached out with his hand and firmly grasped his father's shoulder. He gave him a small, weak smile. "I'll get you outta here, pop, if it's the last thing I do. You just wait and see."
***END RP FOR NOW***




Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, October 25, 1999 11:17:25 PM
IP: 207-172-52-107.s107.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Selling super model eggs, what is this world coming to? (sigh)
Good looks: Right on Jenna. The best looking guys usually turn out to be conceited and insensitive jerks, except for like 2.5% of them. I'm happy you found a good man. When I get older, I'm going to be looking for a man who's good in character instead of looks(not that I would object if he is good-looking). I want a man who's kind and sentive, one who really cares. A guy who appears impertinent, like nothing can effect when he's out in the public's eye, but once he's with me alone in the private sanctuary of our home, acts like an big ol' teddy bear(telling me how much he adores me and calling me pet names). Someone who's sober and stern, but light-hearted and kind at the same time. I want my man to be someone who has morals and has his family always come first, and MAN ENOUGH to EXPRESS his FEELINGS(when something's seriously depressing him. Not all the time of course, I know how you males are) He and I would cuddle up every once and a while and read a book or watch a game or a movie and fall asleep in each other arms(of course I wouldn't be expecting that every week or anything, because I mean...come on, most males, even sensitive ones aren't that cuddley).(Hmm, no wonder "G's" my favorite character. He's all of these things!) Yes, that would be the perfect husband or mate in my humble opinion. Perfect, even with personality flaws. Wow, I actually wrote something serious and level headed! I'm proud of myself. So tell me, what do you people look for in a man or woman. What would you want your spouse or life mate to be like?(Man, those question seem to come from a text book) Well, that's all for now, people.
Angie - [Goliathgirl5@yahoo.com]
WA, USA
Monday, October 25, 1999 10:56:25 PM
IP: dial193.b2.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Dating situation> Let me toss in my observations and two bits as a dissenting view. I know, I can hear the groans know. What does this misanthropic dragon have to say about dating? I'll keep it brief.

History in dating> When has it ever been about getting to know the other person? It's like my dad always says, "I remember the good old days, where were they?" Scarcely has there been a time when dating wasn't a jungle filled with predators, prey and hunters. Sure you may not have gotten to sex, but that led to many a unhappy marriage just to get to that point and another fifty years of growing resentment and affairs.

Ideal & Expectation> I agree with Kiato that the best way to find love is to get to know someone, but I disagree that love is what people want. One of the things I do is watch people and I've noticed that people often say (and in the arena of dating whine) one thing, but practice another. Men and women whine about being unable to find the ideal mate, but their actions tell a different story. I won't pretend to speak for either, but from their actions it seems that both want sluts. They get disappointed because they want no more and there is none to it.

I can speak as a nice guy (And if I could cut that out of myself I'd probably be a lot more sucessful in life) to nice guys everywhere. Don't be a sucker! From my observations, people, men and woman, consider consideration a weakness and no one dates weak people. Chances are if you have the same nice gene like I do. You automatically help out, so concern for others before you even think twice. I wouldn't try to stop you, but don't risk yourself in the bargain, you will be disappointed.

Just some cynical words from a dragon whose been burned once too often.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, October 25, 1999 10:49:44 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Why the hell does the Anakin Skywalker action figure's talking voice chip include "Wizards!" as one of the lines? To the best of my knowledge, that word was never once uttered in the entire movie! (Becca scored big-time on prezzies when Aunt Kathy came to visit).

Auctioning eggs > it must just be me, but it seems weird that eggs and sperm and blood can be donated, compensated-for commodities ... but they don't want to allow reimbursement for organ donations, squelched the kidney auction, and if someone really _did_ try to auction-adopt off their unborn child, everyone would hit the roof. I suppose one could say that it's because eggsies and spermsies and blood are all renewable resources, and that giving some away doesn't harm the original owner, whereas we only start with two kidneys (for instance) and would be in a real pinch if something went wrong with the remaining one.

The whole idea of shelling out that kind of bucks for a model's egg just strikes me as unforgivably dumb. There is no guarantee that the egg with even _take_ in the first place, so you're out thousands of dollars for nothing.

Then, if it does, it's still not certain that the kid will turn out looking anything at all like the donor-mom. There's still dad's contribution to consider (Alexa Ray Joel looks a lot more like Billy than Christie Brinkly, for instance). Or there's just the whole genetic roulette thing ... good-looking folks can have homely kids and vice versa.

And really, personally, if I _was_ going to do something that nutty, I'd be more interested in looking for genes for smarts and creativity, not beauty. I wonder how high the bids would go on eggs from a brilliant woman rather than a supermodel, and as my view of humanity as a whole is pretty negative, I bet it would be a lot less.

Wow, I didn't mean to go off on a big old rant here. Sorry!

In other news > "Blood of the Jedi" is finished (finally! the story that wouldn't _end_!) and I will be posting it soon. Tonight, I'll dive back into "The Boy With the Healing Hands."

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, October 25, 1999 10:43:18 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Kioto- good comments--makes me very glad I'm not in the dating arena anymore...

Interesting show on PBS just now- talking about the nubian kings of egypt-- interesting- called the "Black Pharohs of the Nile". Talks about the little know lower Egypt that ruled the higher egypt for 1000 years.
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 09:58:15 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-49.hstntx.swbell.net

So, everyone's dating, hu? Lucky for me, I only just barely turned 16, so I haven't had to worry much about it.
Warpmind- sorry to bring up an old subject, but i haven't been able to post lately. What I meant was, in addition to being deadly unarmed fighters, they also had many different weapons.
They were, and are, good fighters, though. Think of it as feudal street fighting. The Ninja would do what had to be done in order to subdue or kill his/her opponent. Nothing fancy, just what would get the job done. They were very tough, too. One Ninja, Christopher Hunter, said that the main goal for a Ninja was to be able to have his body do what his mind could imagine.
Especially on this board, I've been hearing about the LoTR movies. Does anyone know where they are going to be released? If anyone could tell me, please do
Menessah
Menessah - [holymage@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 25, 1999 09:43:45 PM
IP: filter.lds.net

Jenna, Ironwolf, And anyone else:

Dating … dating as we know it in High School and College is an ugly business. *shakes his head* But I'll go into that later.

The first thing I want to address is superficial things interfering with true love. IRL, without the computer screens separating us from those superficial first impression, many who have fallen in love online never would have. There are also things that even some of the best of us find hurdles to building a relationship. Disfigurement is one thing that makes it hard to take someone as a mate, superficial as it may be. Someone who is scarred, burned, or missing a limb is pretty much nailed down as never having someone look at him or her as a potential mate without a lot of friendship first.

That is one of the problems with romance going into millenium though. At one time, dating was courtship. Now it is "hooking up" and such. Relationships are so much more physically greedy and spiritually and emotionally hollow in this day and age because instead of developing a relationship out of friendship, we develop relationships out of first impressions.

I know for myself, I've always been disgusted with the way guys I knew and still know in college and high school behave. The bulk of "normal" couples meet at parties when they are have trashed. The bulk of "normal" couples don't know a damn thing about one another when they decide to become an item. The bulk of "normal" couples I know break up in under a semester, and badly.

Then there are couples I know who meet through common interests and classes and working together. There are couples who meet through projects and hobbies. These are couples who evolve out of a basic friendship and mutual understanding. These are couples who tend to succeed in having a stable, growing relationship.

My best advice to the female species about dating is this. Don't pick up guys at parties. Don't even bother with them. Coming from a college filled with guys and parties, I understand the breed. The bulk of "normal" guys in my school are sluts, period. I'm sorry, but if we applied the same rude and obnoxious standards of behavioral condescension to guys as are applied to girls in such situations, most guys are sluts. The guys at parties are generally there for two reason. 1.) To get smashed. 2.) To act like sluts. "Normal" guys act in a degrading fashion towards women more often than not.

The one problem many of my female friends have with finding a decent guy, is that they are "all taken." It isn't that decent guys are all paired off. The bulk of decent guys simply aren't sluts, thusly aren't going around prowling. They won't come to you, and they don't go out to the meat markets. You need to become their friends. The sensitive male is not an endangered species. The simple fact is, most sensitive males don't do the "normal" dating game. Most sensitive guys don't do the frat scene.

The problem with getting to know a sensitive male, ladies, is that girls don't speak up.

Now I'm not going to start stereotyping and blaming, but that is the other big double-standard. Girls can't be academic leaders in the class rooms. They aren't supposed to raise their hands in class. They aren't supposed to talk about "deep" issues or politics or current events outside of music and fashion. Girls aren't suppose to use computers or play games or read. They aren't supposed to play the guitar or join a band or excel at the arts or student government. They also aren't supposed to eat or move their bowels.

*sighs*

This standard is bull-$#!%!

Seriously though, how do you expect to become friends with and get to know a guy unless you interact with him as an equal? You need to talk, do things together, come to understandings. Only that way will you be able to get to know the guys who aren't out at parties hawking themselves. Only that way will any guy get to know the real you. To find a sensitive male as a mate, most of the time you have to be his friend. That is the long and short of it in most cases from my experience.

As for guys, sometimes you have to take a chance and coax a woman out of her shell. You have to treat her both as a lady, and as an equal. You should get to know her, and become her friend before her boy-friend. That way, you aren't starting the relationship off on the shaky ground of objectifying one another as meat. Also, never try to "be yourself" when you're drinking. Again, making real friends and meeting your potential mate is not a task to undertake while intoxicated and surrounded by peer presure.

Forgive me if I said something stupid right now ... but I don't have time to edit ...

Night folks.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, October 25, 1999 09:09:14 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Egg selling> reminds me of a similar borderline eugenics story (whether it is true, I doubt it) a woman in some state was pregnant and was a huge "I love Lucy" fan, so she tried watching tape after tape of the show so her baby would turn out to be a wacky readheaded girl, instead she got a dark-haired boy whose first word was "babalu"

I recently saw an ad for a "blue's clues stuffed blue and talking book, as you turn the pages, blue's eyes close, well it got me to thinking about a bronx's clues tie-in, sme setup only it's a life-sized Bronx plush toy and a talking Grimoram, and as you turn the pages, Bronx turns to stone, it'd be a great toy if only kids wouldn't keep getting crushed to death by it
*and now a short bit of RP*
the deadly seven go to where their pets landed, pick them up and return to their former position**rp end**
*and now a REALLY short bit of RP*
Shogun
*rp end*
shogun raptor
Monday, October 25, 1999 09:00:26 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

Dammit! I couldn't get in the room yesterday and it was Hunter's Moon!? %$#%$#^%^&... okay, I feel better now. At least I still have all of you!

Spike> You are so sweet for taking care of me! Luv ya, sis! *hugs* And I finished "Daddy's Girl"... I cried :)
SOROW
Monday, October 25, 1999 07:59:32 PM
IP: dll2b109-45.splitrock.net

Jenna> (dating) You sure hit the nail on the head. Looks don't last and, short of abject poverty, money doesn't buy love (and, indeed, can make people asses). It's a "true cliche" that it is what's inside that counts.
Pogo
Monday, October 25, 1999 06:34:40 PM
IP: fwnt.dorseylaw.com

***** yipes, some more sort-of rants/replies *****

Kaioto> *nods* It's true, it's ridiculuous what people must go through to adopt a child. There's also the misperception of the system that "wants to keep families together." Sometimes keeping the children with their natural family is _not_ a good idea - just because it's his/her natural birth mother doesn't mean he/she will be living in a good, supportive home. It can be so obvious that the natural parents aren't interested at all in the nuances of child care.

Jenna> <<My mom thought for a while that I was settling for less- she wanted me to be married off to a doctor or something. But once she saw the type of man Mike was, she knew I made a right choice. Money and looks are something women are taught too look for- but really all that means nothing compared to the person inside.>> *applauds* I can only hope that if I ever meet the right guy someday, my mother (AND her family, sheesh - I'm telling you, Chinese families tend to want to know EVERYTHING) will understand what you just said. *mutters* And she calls me the too-cynical one.

<<we are tracing our family histories to look for any problems that we as parents should know of -- this gives us a guide line of what to look for in our children's behavior if problems come up.>> *nods* Now that's what I call open-minded, careful parenting - you can identify potential problems earlier and treat them. I wish my parents would be more open-minded about that; after displaying what I consider behavior indicative of emotional problems for the past few years, my younger sister is only now receiving counseling. And that's only because one of her teachers had called my mother up and suggested it! My parents still don't really believe she needs it, and it makes me angry that they are in such denial. They keep talking about how "all" teenagers go through "that." Dammit, not "all" teens think suicidal thoughts and think their lives are so horrible it's not worth living. I have felt that way before, and I never want to feel it again. Perhaps counseling would have helped me and prevented relapses into the "I'm so worthless and I hate the world" funk, but it's in the past now. *takes a deep breath* Okay, sorry about that. *sheepish* Anyway, the point is that there is a definite history of emotional/mental problems (undiagnosed, but I've seen enough to know) in my father's side of the family. From my mother's side, there isn't anything that is definite as far as I can tell.

Aaron> <<"Hey kids, ya seen Gattica? We're about five years from that.">> That's scary. Hmm, yet another person (or few) who I want to smack upside the head with a large, heavy copy of the code of ethics. Using such technology to prevent serious medical disorders is one thing, using it to mold the physical appearance of a potential child is quite another.
Blue Caeru - [BlueCaeru@cs.com]
Monday, October 25, 1999 04:44:06 PM
IP: spider-th031.proxy.aol.com

Sorry Ironwolf-- my biggest flaw I think is I take my self to seriously at times *hugs*

Aaron- hope things get better for you-- hang in there--
HUGZ
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 03:34:47 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

jenna was not picking and none of what i was saying was directed at you(well execpt for the little tease at the begining but i put a happy face on it so you would know i was teasing)like i said it the majority that go through life just looking at the covers and never reading the story. I don't think any one in this room could be part of the "majority" heck if this room represented the norm would they have cancled gargoyles? i have friends that put up with a lot of, hmmm lets say another word for dung, just because the person is handsome/beautifull.

so sorry none of the comments were personally just oblservational and at life not any one here. heck i even poked fun at myself. well i often suffer from foot in mouth disease i guess its time for a booster shot
ironwolf
Monday, October 25, 1999 03:22:22 PM
IP: host-209-215-9-21.cha.bellsouth.net

Well, my month just keeps getting better and better. But if I started whining about my problems we'd be here all day, so on with the replies.

SAAS weekend, so I got to hang with all the other otaku. Saw a really cool new series called Blue Submarine 6. It's kinda Waterworld meets Street Sharks, but much cooler and less formulaic then either. It's animated in an interesting mix of traditional and CGI, and there's this one ship... Picture the Maelstrom from The Pirates of Dark Water mated to a modern battleship. Tres cool. Also watched a *really* screwed-up series called Brother Dear Brother, and the first episode of Nazca in original japanese. I was the only one who'd seen a subbed version, and I ended up acting as translator, despite my japanese being limited to less then 20 words.

Chilling music> One of Blondie's songs off the No Exit album has an electric guitar rendition of Grieg's "In the hall of the mountain king."

Gattica> My brother had a geneticist come talk to his 9th grade science class. (No it was not a melodramatic redhead) who said something along the lines of "Hey kids, ya seen Gattica? We're about five years from that."

Wilek> I loved ANTZ. It was like a 70s Woody Allen movie. And as for Pikachu killing the Chihuahua, they're both rats when you come right down to it. Pika's just cuter.

Rulok> That sounds cool, but I have a previous engagement the 30th. A friend of mine from highschool invited me to her girlfriend's band's show at the Medevel Knights. Maybe next time.

Spike, anybody> Do you know how to get in touch with the G99 con staff. I'm still waiting for that CD I spent too much money on.

Stormy> I was there for the first broadcast too.

Jessie Feff> No thanks, but if you ever do a gargoyles tarot, let me know.

FS> 6mm equals... um, something really short.

ironwolf> Actually, according to Carlin, short guys finish last.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, October 25, 1999 02:55:09 PM
IP: ppp-71.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

ironwolf- on rereading the comments let me state this:

when you start dating someone, you really are discovering who they are- the reasons for dating someone in the first place vary from situation to situation. On many times, I thought some guy was nice, and he acted nice- for a while. The last guy I dated I was really bad, once I realized that he was not for me, I got out. I don't see anything hypocritcal with that. I was afronted later by a friend of his, and I told her why I broke up with him. That I essentually didn;t like be yelled at all the time, and being afraid I might get hit. Her response and I quote, "But he's so good looking."
I was kind of like- "What? Did I hear you right? I'ts ok if he's an ass so long as he's a good looking one??"
so I learned from experience a hard lesson- what is inside, and how a man treats you is more important. I don't think that's hypocritical of me. I think we all grow and change with time, hopefully for the better.

The next guy I dated was Mike-- I have said before, that, I did date other's who had more material wealth, and who were better looking. But noone,no one ever treated me like Mike did- He had been glazed over by other women because he wasn't "picture perfect"; but what I found in him was worth more than anything. Were married now.
My mom thought for a while that I was settling for less- she wanted me to be married off to a doctor or something. But once she saw the type of man Mike was, she knew I made a right choice. Money and looks are something women are taught too look for- but really all that means nothing compared to the person inside.
I think I can talk on this subject because I have learned it the hard way--
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 02:54:26 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

ironwolf--didn't know they were like that- people only show who they really are after a while- they came across as ok, but boy was it a hard lesson in reality.
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 02:29:12 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

but jenna if they were a$$holes why did you date them in the frist place??? :) not trying to pick it just seems people want to admire the cover of the book and not the story inside. same for kids everyone wants the 6'4" football star for a son and not a small nerdy book worm. i don't know mabey when i get a girlfriend my outlook would change (see i haven't given up hope i said when not if) about the majority of the human race.
btw i recomend american beauty to everyone here. no spoilers i will give nothing away by telling you that it is a great dark comedy.
ironwolf
Monday, October 25, 1999 02:10:06 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-129.cha.bellsouth.net

ironwolf- there's more to a mate than looks- some of the best looking guys I dates were complete a$$holes- and definately not good mate/husband material--if some one looks for looks only, they can't really cry too much when the relationship falls apart, or the person in question turns out to be unfaithful or abusive- they didn't look for the things that matter
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 12:55:32 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Toku Kaioto There is a book called losers by David Eddning that I think you would like. It kind of reflects the your attitude about social services.
as for looks being so improtant. always has been i am sad to say. you can make a lot of friends by being caring and kind, but it takes the looks to get anything. a mate interested , or a promotion. life works for the pretty people not the nice people. whats the saying nice guys finsh last?
Nothing else really to say so see yall later
ironwolf
Monday, October 25, 1999 12:43:43 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-145.cha.bellsouth.net

Kioto- interesting comments you made on the egg situation. One thing that really concerns me is this.

My husband and I are talking about in 5 or so years having kids. I doing so, we are tracing our family histories to look for any problems that we as parents should know of - for example alcohoism and mental illness (ie depression) are chronic on my father's side. Cancer on my mothers-- Mike has heart murmurs in his family tree-- this gives us a guide line of what to look for in our children's behavior if problems come up. Likewise, artictic ability, intellegence, and such are also what

My point is when you look at genetics, first off- we can override what has been encrypted into our genes- I know I have, and second-- there is so much more to look at how you look. To look at that , and that alone is shallow and irresponsible- don't ask for a beautiful baby first, ask for a healty child, a happy child-- the rest is really- unimportant.

It kind of scares me that in america looks have become everything- we look at flash over substance-as I said in my first big speeel here about love- there is so much more to a person than what we see.
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 12:36:23 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Rolls eyes reading own comment_ <and I the only one> AM I the only one..sheesh-- I need more coffee--

Wilek-- congrads on the job!
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 11:09:42 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Wilek- thanks :D

Ed- got your em, bro!

Pistoff--<your picture is scary> uhm, and I the only one who isn't scaried by it??

Fanfic progress-- almost finished with some major updates at my site- very excited about them.

Good day all
jenna
Monday, October 25, 1999 11:06:16 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Kaioto> As I say, every language has its ups and downs. Latin included. <G>

Must go -- things to do.
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 25, 1999 10:11:21 AM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

SJ: Congratulations on the scanner. =)

Selanit: Hm … I dunno. I’ll admit Latin makes a lot more sense than English, classical Latin anyway.

But even the Romans had their idiosyncracies and annoying corruptions of their language. It is rather frustrating to find Caesar using the same abreviated word forms in his writings as Virgil uses in his poetry. Latin also commits its own sins of omission and implied nouns and such, just not as brutally as English does. It also saves us from all those pain in the arse articles like "a" and "the" as well as basic pronouns. It does not save us from well, better, best though. "Bene, Magnopere, Optime" Is just as ugly. =)

Eggs: Hello, here is something even a Libertarian like me thinks that the government needs to step on a regulate. Auctioning off eggs. *shakes his head wearily* Don’t people have a clue as to why we have merchant licensing in this country?Almost anything produced and sold as a for-profit venture has to registered as such at least with the IRS, let alone state, local, and federal commerce boards. Charitable organizations need to go through even more registration. Then there is insurance and the FCC. I’d like to see what the AMA has to say about these guys too.

Then there are the ethical implications.

On one hand, we hold the important fact that rides so heavily in the issues of sperm banks and doners. You want to know what you are getting into when you have a child. You know this when you take a mate … unless you need to use artificial insemination or egg-donorship. Then, I’d certainly want to make sure that the genes I’m getting aren’t coming from a source that will later result in my child suffering some grievous misfortune. No, this isn’t red hair, but something like the gene for alcoholism, dwarfism, or a heavy chance at Downsyndrome would qualify.

On the other hand, we have eugenics. There is a dark side that goes beyond wanting to have a healthy baby with a good chance at a normal life. There are people out there who want children who are of this hair color and this eye color. There are people who want children pre-disposed to be tall. There are people who want their children to have a genius level IQ. As you can see, each notch we raise the bar not only brings us closer and closer to genetic engineering, but also heaps so many unwarranted and more and more unlikely expectations on this child.

I find myself inclined to believe that good parents should not be denied the oportunity to have children by some twist of fortune. I also find myself ready to say that as long as the child is healthy, they should be able to sufficienly care for that child. I also think that parents who can not have children should be more open to the idea of perhaps raising one of those millions of children without any parents to care for them. There is a market surplus of orphans in America. It really shouldn’t matter if the parent’s hair or eyes don’t match. Hell, it shouldn’t mean two damns if the skin color doesn’t match. Love between parent and child should transcend these kind of boundaries. I’m seen it happen serveral times, and it is quite a wonderful thing. Does it really matter so damn much that you find some way to circumvent nature and pass on your genes? Does it matter more than a perfectly wonderful child going without a parent’s love? Or worse, being given to a situation in which he or she is abused, neglected, and exploited?

The main problem with adoption is that adoption services in America are hopeless and helpless. Your chances of getting an infant to raise are so slim to none it isn’t even funny.

Personally, it saddens me that the adoption system in America is so pathetically managed. Good parents have to wait years to get the chance to raise a child who they may receive at the age of 7 years old, when all they wanted was a baby of their own. On the other hand, we have kids being dropped into abusive, drug-infested homes at the ripe old age of 10 months. The Department of Social Services would be better served by an internet marketing information survey and a few computers than the many lazy, incompitent hacks that so outnumber the able and well-meaning civil servants. Again, the danger of our political system lays in the fact that the people who we elect appoint the people that got them elected to various low-key government jobs. How many of you know the head of ~ your ~ state’s Department of Social Services? …

In an ideal world, good parents who were unable to conceive would be able to take care of orphaned children before they were even old enough to realize that they’d been abandonned in one manner or another. In an ideal world, parents wouldn’t get strange looks and ignorant comments because their child doesn’t look like them. In an idea world, there would be none of these sicks #$%’s auctioning off eggs next to a micro-wave casorole dish on Ebay.

Of course, in an idea world, there would be no orphans, no bad parents, and no infertility.

We’ll never have an ideal world, and I’ve always had to come to grips with that. I’ve also come to grips with the fact that even if you can’t achieve your ultimate goal or ideal, working towards that anyway is the point of leading a good life. Hell, it has never been about reaching the end of the Path, it has always been about walking it. In that journey, and in the tradition my Jesuit teachers have handed down to me, I pursue the Kingdom of God on this Earth, the idea of a world of perfect Feedom, Love, and Truth. I’ll never have that world, but the one I live in, I do my part to bring a little bit closer every day.

With that in mind, I would submit that though we may not now be able to create a perfect solution for the problems of infertility, I would call for us to find the most moral and fair alternatives we can come up with. We must come as close to perfect in oiur actions as we can, which mean we have to consider the world first, and our tastes and preferences in hair coloration second.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, October 25, 1999 10:05:53 AM
IP: 141.133.117.253

Wilek> *graciously accepts the assortment of "special treatment" items* ;-)

Sociology (again): I think marketing can be worse, making people want and covet things all the time. Then again, marketing can be used to figure out what consumers want and how to satisfy them. Hmm, 2 sides to everything, though it's not always clear if one is "good" or "bad."

Fire Storm> Oh gosh, that fashion photographer selling the models' eggs is sick. I feel like whacking him on the head with a large, heavy copy of the code of ethics! What he said is basically eugenics to me. And he's feeding off the parents' desire for their children to be "the best," with all the advantages to get ahead. Somebody mentioned the movie "Gattaca," and I agree that this sounds too much like it. Well, this is really mean, but I almost hope that whoever buys those eggs is really disappointed with the result. Maybe their kids will be ditzy, shallow, vapid beautiful people or something (not that I'm saying that all models are like that - it's not fair to stereotype). *feels bad now for saying that*
Anyway, I'm sure you all are getting tired of my rants.
Blue Caeru
Monday, October 25, 1999 10:03:42 AM
IP: smathersl1.uflib.ufl.edu

*After a seemingly long absense(from my perspective anyway) Xanathar returns to the CR,walks up to DC and shove's a stick of TNT in his mouth then lights it*

It's great to have net access again,I really missed you guys*Hugs everyone*,sorry for dissapearing so suddenly two weeks ago but my conection completely died on me and I was unable to get it back*watches DC running around trying to get the TNT out of his mouth*,but now I have a new ISP and a new PC(actually it's a spare that I had alongside the other)*there's a loud explosion closely followed by the sounds of limbs and other body parts bouncing off the walls of the CR*

If you will excuse me,I have to go and catch up on last weeks comment room,I hope I didn't miss anything big:)

*Xanathar turns to leave the CR but notices one of DC dismembered eyeballs on the ground,grins and crushes it under his heel on his way out*
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, October 25, 1999 07:02:08 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

On this link, look at:
Talking Heads -> Actors list
to see some familiar faces.
And don't worry. I told them that they missed giving our beloved show credit.
(Keith David, Cree Summer, Jeff Bennet, Michael Dorn, and a few others.)
Fire Storm
Monday, October 25, 1999 05:23:34 AM
IP: 216.90.45.184

Warpmind: <6mm>
Be nice to us! You know the US rejected the metric system! <G>

Blue Caeru: Oh boy... you read that article too?
Here 2 quotes I took from that article:
Harris (The guy auctioning the eggs) describes the egg auction as "Darwin's Natural Selection at it's very best."
AND
"Every organism is evolving to it's most perfect state" Harris writes. "Finding traits that repair your genetic flaws is what we are all about."
I am sorry, but this guy reminds me of Sevarius.
BTW... isn't selling body parts and the like illegal?
For those of you who are news deficient, my link goes to the website sponsoring it.

Spike: <"A.I. -- Asrial Interactive." >
Hmm... sounds interesting.

Aris: Happy Birthday!

Coyote: <They're on very shaky ground>
<Evil Grin> Excellent.

Gargoyles Birthday: Ya know... I am pretty sure the origional broadcast too. Looked cool. I was flipping through the preview channel, and I saw Gargoyles. Intrigued, I turned it on. I REALLY liked it! But since they kept changing the time and I had no working VCR, I wasn't able to see most of season 2...
Until I met LM. She was recording the entire series. Super cool!

SJ: Scanner: PLEASE tell me it isn't a Plustek, Mustek, or anything that ends with -tek.

Wilek: <when my New Order engulfs the earth>
Hmm... Ok, but I get to have Mars, ok?

Jessie Feff: <The Faerie Tarot>
Most definately interested!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, October 25, 1999 05:21:05 AM
IP: 216.90.45.184

*walks in, tired*

Oh man what a night.....I just got back home from work. it was a long night. one good thing about it though was I got to see "10 Things I Hate About You" again. but still it was a long night and my arms are worn out from carrying all those movies. and not to mention when me and the manager on duty were about to leave a freakin' skunk appears infront of the door. so we had to wait for the skunk to disappear before we set the store alarm and leave. and of course that reminded me of the time I went to the theaters and a skunk came in (and I believe) sprayed someone. then went into the room that was showing "George of the Jungle". And another person got fired this past week (but I didnt really like the guy anyways, so good riddence).

*takes a deep breath and relaxes* ok, I'm better now.....

Doug > great job on "Control". I really enjoyed it.

Spike > looking forward to reading your Asrial AI story.

Pistoff > kewl site. I enjoyed looking through it

And btw, I got a completely new Computer, its a hell lot faster than my old one......

Jessie Feff > I have the script to Dogma, its pretty kewl. and to get an idea of how Jay and Silent Bob ended up were they are, you'd need to refer to the "Jay and Silent Bob" 4 issue comics.

well I better hit the sack, I work till close again tonight.....

*yawns and fades into thin air*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 25, 1999 04:11:35 AM
IP: host-209-214-116-135.bna.bellsouth.net

Sorry about the double post but I just realized a mistake.
The post for T.J. was supposed to be for Pistoff. Sorry again.
Jaden
Monday, October 25, 1999 03:17:36 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Oh goody. The weekend is over and now I have two new classes starting and one of them I'm really not looking forward to going to. Well at least it's only going to be 8 weeks long and then...who can really say?

Hunter's Moon-Wow! This is rather amazing when you think about it. Five years so many little changes in that time and not just here, but everywhere else too.

T.J.- You know when I read your last post to me about time travel and possibilities it reminded me of the last episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. When Q said that humanities destiny is to chart the unknown possibilities of existence. It just popped inside me head, that happens a lot.

Wilek-<Malicious, incompetent apathy> Sometimes that is very true. Kind of sounds how Londo describes his wives- Pestilance, Famine Death.

Well I think that's all. If I missed anyone I'll try to get it in next time. Better go to sleep I don't want to fall asleep during class.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos , CA
Monday, October 25, 1999 03:12:02 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Wilek > <<Um... o_O' Have you been rehired yet? Because...somehow, I am VERY suspicious...>> Yes, I was rehired; basically I had to sign the termination form, then redid all my "new hire" paperwork. I don't know what it was about exactly, but my pay stays the same and everything. *shrug* Thanks for looking out for me, though. :)

Is anyone in here interested in Tarot cards? I am printing an edition of 10 original sets for my Advanced Printmaking class. Two sets are going to go to Allison (the friend being married) and her hubby, because she inspired the design: The Faerie Tarot. I may try to get a few sample images scanned if anyone wants to take a gander.

Ooh, and I finally saw a preview for "Dogma!" *squeal!*
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 25, 1999 02:52:34 AM
IP: ctrts2-5.mrs.umn.edu

**RP!**

[The Administrator leaps at the Phalanx Prime, claws ready to slash open his skull, but the Prime dodges artfully and attempts to strike a blow of his own, one which the Administrator avoids with ease, raking her claws across his arm and ruining it. Prime snarls in some forgotten language and casts a disruptor shot from a weapon mounted on his good arm, which the Administrator's Borg shields absorb quite readily before she casts a brief stream of fire from the flamethrowers mounted in her hands. This catches the Phalanx leader's cloak on fire, and he frantically replicates a smallish integrated fire extinguisher thingie to put it out. Prime: "You Borg have always been such cowards, relying on your ridiculous tricks and gadgets to see you through a conflict. This kind of thing is why the Phalanx are destined to inherit the earth..." Administrator: "Perhaps--after your collective comes under *my* control..."]

**END RP!**

It would seem that technology has been having great fun at my expense lately. My MIDI cable refuses to work, my Internet connection is incredibly unreliable of late (Deuce, are you also having problems with sites and images refusing to load?), my printer is down for no apparent reason, my pet Dalek has taken to singing Klingon opera, and now the room shuts down for several hours. If I weren't so busy with other things, DC would get a quite evil death from me. I think I'll devote tonight to thinking one up...Which reminds me, is anyone here still waiting for an e-mail from me? Because I may have sent one and it never got to you. >:(

Pistoff> <<I've heard that there's a severe cockroach problem in Hawaii. My boss told me that she's heard stories from a friend of hers who worked in a pizza place in Hawaii. The guy said there were roaches EVERYWHERE. The things would even crawl into empty pizza boxes. They'd have to dump 'em out of the boxed before putting a pizza into 'em. They couldn't even throw the boxes away and fold new ones, because it would be filled with roaches before the pizza could be cut and placed in the box.>> UGGHHH!!! ACK! In the unlikely event that I ever end up in Hawaii, remind me not to order a pizza! Ewwww.... <<I've had the same thought, off and on, since I saw The Matrix. If this really is true, I'd like to have a chat with the @$$hole programmer who decided to put me in this series of freaky delivery jobs...>> Come to think if it, I'd like to get my talons on whoever's writing my probability subroutines. I have the most bizarre luck. And I mean of the bad variety (usually, at least). The end of MIA is a typical day for me. :P (Slight exaggeration, but trust me, the resemblance is there.) If I inherited General Motors, they'd outlaw cars the next day. <<Which reminds me...last time, I forgot to mention that the site also has an "about me" page. There's a graphic on that one that's quite amusing, I think....>> I saw that. <L> Classic. :) <<That's what's nifty about the Net--you can get to know people without having the outer shell getting in the way. Here, we have to pay attention to what's being said because it's all just text on a screen--where IRL people's appearences--and other people's prejudices) often get in the way. That's one of the reasons I love the Net. :)>> Friend, I couldn't have said it better myself. ^_^

Fire Storm> <<I have so many projects lined up and I have started to do some of the calculations and testing, so I WILL be able to do some of them. And oh yes... they will be fun.>> Muhahahah...when my New Order engulfs the earth, you can be one of the directors of my R&D department. 8)

Jessie> <<turns out that the station was sold, and everyone was just being fired and rehired for some paperwork reason.>> Um... o_O' Have you been rehired yet? Because...somehow, I am VERY suspicious...

Warpmind> <<I'll probably be in a small, poorly lit room, Mastering a Call of Cthulhu Roleplaying game at the time (I got the Basic Book yesterday! Yay!)>> Kewl! I got the book a few weeks ago, and it's *really* neat. I'm still trying to figure out how to incorporate a few Lovecraftian beasties into my fics. ^_^ (Hey, does that one dude, I think his name is Daoloth, remind you of a Pokemon called Missingno...?) <<Why the heck haven't we thought of Joyriding Doctor Nguyen?>> Hey...why *haven't* we thought of that...? Heh heh heh...I'll take care of both him and DC tomorrow (hopefully)... >8)

Happy Birthday everyone who has one hereabouts! :D

Jenna> <<keep your fingers crossed for me, I have a belly dance gig tonight--:)>> Good luck with that! :D

Blue Caeru> <<Hey, all. I was just wondering if anyone has heard about the fashion photographer who's auctioning off the eggs of 8 supermodels.>> Um... O_o Why do I get the feeling this is going to become a sick kind of trend...? As for becoming a sociologist...heh, maybe you'll get the chance to meet Dr. Nguyen in person. <hands her quite a lot of dull knives, cheese graters, and a belt sander> Give him our...greetings...from the CR if you do. >8)

Spike> Kewl; glad you're writing the Asrial AI story. ^_^ Waitaminute...adult archive...? <blink> This should be fun...

Aris> <<Last week I also saw Phantom Menace - strangely enough I did enjoy it quite a bit: a more decent movie than many led me to expect - I'd say it's certainly as good as the first three, and quite possibly better.>> I'm glad someone else thinks so; you wouldn't believe how many negative reviews of this thing I've encountered on the Internet. I was beginning to wonder if I was one of about five or six Phantom Menace fans on the planet. ;) j/k

Marc Dadigan> <<I'm minoring in film, and some friends at USC who have provided me some small links to Hollywood. I'm currently working on a Gargoyles screenplay that may actually have a chance(albeit small) of being seen by someone out there.>> KEWL!!!! Best of luck with this, friend; we cannot allow Devlin to ruin our show!!! (Oh, and BTW, welcome. :) Let Deuce confiscate your sanity.)

Coyote> Stupid customers> Eek...Proof that Darwin was wrong... <<two guys, who I will refer to as Tweedle-Dumbass and Tweedle-Dumb$#!t>> <LOL> I have to remember that one! :D <<I mean, when was the last time knowledge of N-B-C warfare was necessary to collect payment?>> Maybe she could work for ABC or CBS. <blink> (Ugh. That was horrible on several levels and I apologize sincerely. You're within your rights to beat me into a stupor with a large fish. :/)

Robby> <<This marks the fifth anniversary of Gargoyles being on the air. And its also the night of the Hunter's Moon. Interesting coincidence isn't it?>> Cool...hey, maybe the new Jim can throw one of the parties his master print was so famous for! :D

$Doug> Pikachu killing the Chihuahua? <LOL> I love it! :D (And somehow I can't get it out of my head that it's symbolic of something...)$

Stormy> <<Man. I was there for the original broadcast.>> You too? :) I can still remember seeing the fascinating commercials on my local Fox affiliate. So much better than Toon Disney's...

SJ> <<Today I *finally* got a SCANNER! Got the darn thing dirt cheap too.>> Kewl! ^_^ I'd probably get a scanner, if I thought I could use it for very much--the only things I think it would be useful for are fan art (which I can't do) and a few pics in the World Of Darkness rulebooks I could have some fun with. <g> $Oh, when would you like me to have the Phalanx Prime taken down? >:)$ <<I've never understood the whole "overqualified" argument, though. Since when did that ever interfere with the job?>> I don't understand that either; I mean, wouldn't overqualification make a person a better worker? Or perhaps the employers think it's an unfair advantage?

Halloween Costumes> Usually, I don't need 'em. <G> Although I could probably trundle around as Davros if I put a lot of time and effort into it...

Oh, and y'all might be amused at the site at my name link. ^_^
Wilek Nereus
Monday, October 25, 1999 01:59:39 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

top ten or close enough glad the rooms back up. that or DC wouldn't let me in saturday real post later
ironwolf
Monday, October 25, 1999 01:00:37 AM
IP: host-209-214-40-16.cha.bellsouth.net

***BEGIN RP***
The Administrator glared at Prime. "I am just a bit confused, Prime. I sense that you are the original...yet you are also this young one's clone."
"Yes, that was something of a matter of convenience," Prime said with a sneer. "We found me--I mean, we found this body drifting through space. Out of curiosity, we obtained it from the ebony darkness. By accessing it's memories, we learned of Earth...but more importantly, we learned that *you* of all beings were wasting time mounting some sort of ridiculous war against a terran creature named Thailog." Prime laughed. "We thought the opportunity to delicious to pass up. We decided then and there to strike the final nail in the Borg coffin. I--the Phalanx Prime--merged with the body of this one's clone. His memories are my memories. OUR memories. From that point on, I knew everything he knew, about Earth and you. It was no problem at all to embark on a mission to earth. From the clone we knew that Dr. Sevarius could make us a virus that would allow us to assimilate the entire planet in a matter of hours, with no resistance...leaving us with another world in our grips and enough troops to launch the ultimate offensive--"
"Against the Borg," the Administrator finished for him. "It was not enough to shatter the Collective, you want to destroy us too!"
"Yes!" Prime shouted. "Once the Borg is destoryed--or absorbed into the Phalanx--WE will be the most powerful race in the universe! We will travel throughout the galaxy, purifying the filth of the cosmos, replacing it with the beautiful order of the Phalanx!"
"But you did not count on me arriving here to face you directly, did you, Prime?"
"It is a small setback, I assure you."
"More like a fatal flaw," she replied, and readied herself to attack...
***END RP***

Excellent news, everybody! Today I *finally* got a SCANNER! Got the darn thing dirt cheap too. Of course, it is a brand I've never heard of....and they sure did seem to be selling them awful cheap and in a hurry....Still, it's mine, and I've literally spent the whole freakin' day using the thing. Hopefully, in my future dealings with constructing web pages, it'll be useful.
However, I do have a special little something for everyone. It's a picture of me.....of course, it was taken when I was about 7 years old. But it's me, holding my (unfortunately) now-deceased German Shepherd (then just a puppy). I'd give a more recent photo, but I'm not terribly photogenic, and I want to make a "cool" photo of the modern day me. Plus I was so damn cute at that age. Click on my name!

Pistoff: Speaking of photos, I spent some time on your site. I like what I see so far, and I can't wait to see the virtual meltdowns that appear in the Customers and Rant pages ;) As for your photos, well....you scare me. And I mean that in a good way ;) Seriously, you look ready to bust some heads. If the pizza delivery guys here in D.C. looked half as tough, I'd be tipping like crazy. ;]

Warpmind: Let me say, that even for an individual who does not speak English as his native language, you are quite skilled at doing so. Like I said before, I sometimes feel I need a translator or "universal communicator" to go in the grocery store!

Auctioning off eggs: Is this a goof? Or is somebody seriously doing this? I'd like to know how he got the eggs in the first place. Then, I'd like to take him to task for doing something so highly unethical. It's one thing to visit a sperm bank, or get artificial insemination; it's another to sell pieces of your reproductive system on the open market. This is capitalism gone weird and wackey, to say the least.

Coyote: Sorry to hear about your mom, I'm hoping she finds another job soon. I've never understood the whole "overqualified" argument, though. Since when did that ever interfere with the job? As Weird Al once said when he was turned down from a job at McDonalds for the same excuse, "Yeah, I may be overqualified, but I gotta eat too."

Halloween Costumes: Man, I haven't even thought about it, and it's only a week away. One of my friends suggested a bunch of us get together and go as the Backstreet Boys. A pretty funny idea, considering that's about the scariest thing I can think of...but where to get all those "stylish" matching white suits? ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [<----Click to see me! And hey, I'm pretty darn cute! Honest! ;)]
Sunday, October 24, 1999 11:43:20 PM
IP: 207-172-53-250.s250.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

TOP TEN!!!
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Sunday, October 24, 1999 10:27:48 PM
IP: dial-95.ocis.net

happy BIiiiiiiIIRTH-day, dear Gar-goyles...

Man. I was there for the original broadcast.

(Who else in here was?)
Stormy
Sunday, October 24, 1999 09:36:14 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

OOOOOOO! Top 2,300,009! <G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:53:20 PM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

**RP HERE**

The Omega Weapon engulfs the room in scarlet flames, nearly charbroiling the Ravens alive. It follows that up with a rain of meteors and exploding stars which Lathrop's hastily erected forcefield fails to block. "How much longer till this thing dies?" Jammer asks, throwing a grenade at the Weapon and following it up with a spray of bullets. "I've no idea!" Tricia shouts back, hitting it with a concentrated psi-force bolt. Lathrop follows up with lightning bolts, Orion with waves of holy fire, Boris with a volley of atomic bazooka shells, Shauna with a whole quiver of Patriot Arrows (from the movie Ribin Hood- Men in Tights), Shap with a fullisade of blessed fletchettes, and Mist with a full explosive pulse ammo chaingun clip. Erin, Stephanie, and Jaden then attack it in a triple line formation, cutting the beast several times across the back and sides. Doug and Kitainia meanwhile keep firing plasma and laser bursts into it, grimacing as the beast keeps taking the hits. Then Gubio lines up a pistol shot on the chink in the Weapon's armor one of their blows opens and lets loose. The beast gives one last roar as all its armor suddenly cracks and explodes with light. Then it slumps over, shakes for a while, and then goes still. "We got it!" Gubio whoops in joy. "Yeah!" Kit screams, hopping up and down happily. "This is mostly thanks to you, Lathrop and Orion," Doug muses. "If it weren't for your healing spells and force fields, this thing would have kicked our ass in no time flat. Thank you." "No problem," the wizard replies, the cleric too involved in a prayer of thanks to do the same. "Uh, guys!" Stephanie shouts suddenly. "This thing isn't all dead!" "What?" Kit asks as they all spin to see the Taco Bell Dog climbing out of the Omega Weapon's wrecked body. "Oh no," it mutters. "You beat my war engine. I cannot win against you!" With that, the chihuahua whimpers and runs off down the tunnel. "After it!" Jammer cries. "Let's pay it back for the food poisoning I got from its restaurant's chalupas last week!" The Ravens nod in agreement and begin to give chase.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi everyone. I know this post is late in the week, and no one will probably read it before the CR clears, but that doesn't matter to me. I feel like posting now, and I will. :) So here goes-

Fanfic Progress and Teaser: Thanks to all the people who read Control, especially those who sent me feedback. Hope to be getting more of it very soon, especially from the people who gave it low numbers of stars in the beginning (I want to know what they didn't like). Began work today on "Inner Demons," it's coming along okay though it will probably take a good while to write. Here's a few teaser scenes to make people anticipate it:
"My brother forgave me," Seth insisted, trying to stay calm as the other two men glared at him. "So did the clan. And I'm sure the Judge has forgiven me, for the years of lies."
"And you want us to forgive you, too?" Zack asked, raising an eyebrow in disbelief.
"Yes. I understand if you won't, but I need you to know I've changed now. There's nothing that's going to make me do what I did to the two of you again."
"You killed our friends, our family," sighed Weston. "You ruined out lives. You can't expect us to forget all that."
"I'm not going to forget it either," Seth sighed. "I never will." Zack and Weston exchanged a confused look at hearing this, both wondering if this was really the same man who had slain nearly all their comrades just over nine months ago.
*
Goliath's charge hit the huge Gangsta Disciple hard, knocking him back and out of the alleyway. Bullova hit a building wall and fell off it to slam into the sidewalk, but then easily hopped back up with only a few minor bruises evident on his skin. "You see, gargie?" he chuckled. "Mr. Jade did something to me! He had me made strong, stronger than even you! You can never win!" With that the thug leaped away from Goliath, to land grinning beside a parked car. Goliath gasped as Bullova grabbed it by the rear bumper and easily lifted it, barely able to dodge as he heard the woman he'd just saved screaming and the thug hurled the vehicle his way.
*
"Another letter came for you this morning, Demona," Doc Perkins said, handing an envelope to her. "From NBC."
Demona snatched the envelope, took one look at it, and with a snarl of exasperation threw it into a nearby trash can. Zip Cassidy skated over and fished it out, frowning as he opened it and read the contents while Demona went back to her work looking glum.
"Hey Mona," Zip frowned. "This is from Conan O'Brien. His show is great, and he wants you on it. Why you throwing this away?"
"Because I do not want to waste my time talking to a human," the redhaired gargoyle snapped. "I have more important things to do than find a moment of fame."
"But come on! Everyone would watch you! You have to go! Chances like this don't come around every day!"
"You'd think that, wouldn't you?" Doc asked with a smile. "Well, Mona's been getting lots and lots of these letters recently."
"And I shall handle this one as I have the others," Demona said. "Throw it away, Victor. And Phillip, you also throw away any more that come. I do not wish to be troubled by this any longer, do you understand?"
"Yeah, Mona," Zip sighed heavily, "we understand. Though I think you're crazy."
***
All this and more coming in about a month!

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR BRINGING OUT THE DEAD**

Saw this on Friday. The critics were right, it did feel boring. :) Yet despite that it had a good realistic plot, nice dialogue, and high-caliber preformances by all the actors. Very emotional feel to it as well, and that we liked. I guess the fact that there wasn't a lot of explosions and death in a movie that was supposed to have action as well as good direction kinda spoiled it. Still a good movie, but could have been shorter and better. If you want a new Martin Scorsese flick, go see it. He has made better movies before though (like Taxi Driver and Mean Streets). BOtD gets 7/10, sideways thumb.

**SPOILERS END**

New Shows: Sorry to hear Harsh Realm may be going off the air soon. Kit and I have been enjoying it so far. The third episode had great plot and character development, I liked how it focused on the lesser bad guys instead of Santiago. Hope the show at least lasts until it can have a reasonable ending, unlike what happened with good shows like it such as Deadly Games and Brimstone. Missed Now and Again and Ryan Caulfield this week because we had to go see BOtD and forgot to reprogram the VCR for them. And we got back too late. :( Also saw good new episodes of Men in Black (cool bad guys in that one), Pokemon (liked the Olympic symbolism and watching Team Rocket get flamed), and Batman Beyond (Stalker was a great and very human new villain, I enjoyed seeing him in action and the panther symbolism when he was being attacked. Good development on Terry and Matt, too) yesterday. And Simpsons tonight is wonderfully hilarious (Krusty doing Shakespeare, LOL). :)

Pistoff: Nice website, glad you were able to build it. I liked the fanart section best. As I've said before, it's okay that you're taking so long on the feedback. I will continue to wait for it. Keep up your good work on the website and your fanfics, I will be looking forward to when the next one comes out. :)

Coyote: Sorry to hear about your recent work woes. I hope they end soon. Also anticipating Team Delta, any news on when it will be out?

Happy Anniversary Gargoyles!! Happy Birthday Aris and Warpmind!

Spike: So you will be doing an AI Asrial fic? Alright! <whoops> Thanks for revealing your plans. Kit and I will read the story as soon as it's out and give you a feedback review. Be sure to credit her in the disclaimer for her original idea, okay? :)

Traveler: Yes, you do need to make an encyclopedia length post soon. Hope your midterms will be over shortly so you can make it. :)

TOP TEN!

That's all for now. See y'all again next time. Later.

**RESUME RP**

The Taco Bell Chihuahua continues to run through the tunnels beneath the Sphinx, going suprisingly fast even with his little legs. The Ravens breathe heavily as they chase him, several firing off bullets, arrows, and spells that the dog is easily able to dodge. "It's useless, fools!" Chihuahua shouts back at them. "I will escape you and live to fight another day! Viva Gord...!" He is rudely interrupted as he crashes into something, knocking it over. "What the..." the dog asks, leaping off what he hit and looking at it. "Why, you're kind of cute." "Pikachu!" the thing he hit screams in reply, then zaps the dog with a thunderbolt. "Ouch," Chihuahua mumbles. "This is worse than my hot sauce!" With that, he slumps over and falls dead. The Ravens run up and look at Pikachua as he turns to face them. "Pika?" "Hi Pikachu," Doug says. "Did Wilek send you to help us?" The pokemon says something in its own language, and Gubio shakes his head. "It says it came here of its own will and that dog attacked it. Now the dog is dead." "Thanks for the recap," Erin nods. "We can see that. Your friend Wilek should be farther up here in these tunnels, right?" Kit nods. "Yeah, let's go find him. I hope he's okay." She gives Chihuahua's corpse a kick to make sure it's really dead and then runs on down the tunnel. The other Ravens reload their weapons and follow behind.

**END THIS BIT OF RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:40:47 PM
IP: pool-209-138-213-192.dlls.grid.net

6th! I think.
niner
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:39:10 PM
IP: asy20.dial.upei.ca

You know... after mid-terms are done, I really need to whip up an encyclopidea length post...>:)) Number FIVE!!!!!
Traveler - [traveler45@geocities.com]
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:37:44 PM
IP: abd0d01d.ipt.aol.com

Sowie my badd....not nt my badd...my stoopid server bad.
Spacebabie
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:15:34 PM
IP: ts001d33.orl-fl.concentric.net

...
Anonymous
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:13:43 PM
IP: proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net

Top Ten! 4th I think or maybe third?
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:09:14 PM
IP: ts001d08.orl-fl.concentric.net

Top Ten! 4th I think or maybe third?
Spacebabie - [Spacebabie76@yahoo.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:07:14 PM
IP: ts001d08.orl-fl.concentric.net

Tope Ten!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:03:52 PM
IP: modem86.i-is.com

Someone just pointed this out to me...

This marks the fifth anniversary of Gargoyles being on the air. And its also the night of the Hunter's Moon. Interesting coincidence isn't it?
Robby
Sunday, October 24, 1999 08:02:30 PM
IP: spider-wb043.proxy.aol.com