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Anonymous
Monday, November 22, 1999 12:18:56 PM
IP: spider-tn042.proxy.aol.com

SJ- "Babylon Files"- ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't do anything too exciting this weekend- just packed and packed and packed- I'm sick of looking at boxes- and I only have more to go :P

Did anyone see the full ep of Buffy- was watching it here and the network did a major boo boo and started showing Angel in the middle of Buffy -so I have no idea what happened. What happened??

Ironwolf- interbreeding w/ dragons- hmm - well the biggest problem- (blushes) the size differance- shape shifting on part of the dragon my be needed to ackomplish this.

Updates on my site- thought I'd have it done by Thanksgiving, but no avail- looks like Dec. It really pos me when I write so damn slow- I wish I could get things done faster. rrrahhh!

Well, that's all for now- :)
jenna
Monday, November 22, 1999 12:00:34 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

For anyone interested I found an address where you can dowload the new Mission Impossible 2 teaser:
www.ign.com/special/mi2
It looks kind of lame. JOhn Woo is directing and they have Tom Cruise doing roundhouse kicks and super flips. Ah, well, at least Ving Rhames is in it.

Marc - [dadigan@uiuc.edu]
IL
Monday, November 22, 1999 11:58:11 AM
IP: farm1-cache2.gw.uiuc.edu

well the room is back *looks at DC* i'd leave they are going to kill you. ok crossbreeding we have had half human and fay and read about human garg. what about a garg/dragon halfbreed?
ironwolf
Monday, November 22, 1999 11:33:06 AM
IP: host-209-215-8-95.cha.bellsouth.net

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Anonymous
Monday, November 22, 1999 11:30:07 AM
IP: host-209-215-8-95.cha.bellsouth.net

Mara: ROTFL at the Pamela bit. SlayersGREAT, huh? I'll have to see that
... :)

The best part is when

(SPOILER!) Lina and Naga are in the cores of the Golems and begin to fight each other with magic. Lina's magic comes out from within th SD Lina's head while Naga's magic come out of her cleavage!!

As for dubbed Slayers ... which Zel is it, early or late? (after the
battle with the original Rezo, a different guy does the voice in the
dubs)

Before the battle with Rezo... when Lina has... "that time of the month". Zel has a major hottie voice then... but after... eh... a little too depressive for my tastes.

Oh, BTW, did you get the link I e-mailed you? Yup... lucky B8 gets to touch Hudson Leick... *mutters string of unrepeatable and nearly unintelligible curses*
Mara Cordova - [<==== actually got a working page going!]
Sunday, November 21, 1999 11:28:17 PM
IP: spider-tp063.proxy.aol.com

Bando> re. Don Coyote: Of course, you have to realize the the first is both at once.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, November 21, 1999 11:00:08 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

*screams like a girl* My retina's are burned!!! I clicked on Wilek's link... the pain, the horror, the torture!
Not only that, I clicked on a link there and it froze my computer! geesh.. cheap piece of sh!t.. *w*
Jannie
Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:54:22 PM
IP: 196-101.c.esc4.net

listen up all ye transfromer fans. there is a guy on ebay selling transfomers beast machines fig new not in usa yet. the figures? Mirage! Yep racecar robot but he is a evile vechcon????? and a new maximal Buzzsaw????? umm are these orginal names for a autobot and a decepticon?
ironwolf
Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:51:34 PM
IP: host-216-78-83-198.cha.bellsouth.net

Folks are waiting for the wipe ... may as well post now. :)

Mara: ROTFL at the Pamela bit. SlayersGREAT, huh? I'll have to see that ... :)
As for dubbed Slayers ... which Zel is it, early or late? (after the battle with the original Rezo, a different guy does the voice in the dubs)
Oh, BTW, did you get the link I e-mailed you?

Mandi: **smiles**

Gside: You're right, I *do* find that intriguing, considering there's a very long and convoluted story which leads to my handle (suffice it to say it involves the SMB Series marching cadence and howling). Of course, the problem also is that my handle, when preceded by my IRL name, turns into your choice, either a cartoon character name or a really, really bad Spanish literature pun (Don Coyote).

Jannie: Seems to me you mentioned this video before ... yes, I was in the contest (as Rain), yes I wear glasses, and yes I wore a white sleeveless tee to the dinner.

Wilek: Actually, I prefer subs ... the thing is, though, Slayers is an exception to the rule that some content is lost when it's dubbed. A prime example (from the first season):
**SPOILERS AHEAD, UNFORTUNATE BUT NECESSARY TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT!**
Lina and Gourry are sitting in the back of a wheat wagon, checking Lina's personal inventory of magical items, one of which is a dagger, which had just made a merchant go psychotic on them in the previous episode. When Lina casts what amounts to an Identify spell over all the magical items (the dagger and a statue), she recaps what she's learned about them, starting with the dagger.
Subtitles: "Well, the dagger has an enchantment to make the blade sharper ..."
Dubbed (same point): "Well, the dagger has a curse on it to make the blade sharper and the user go crazy ... good for bandits, bad for shopkeepers."

So you see ... that's why I took the dubs of Slayers. Anything else I'll go subbed.
**END SPOILERS!!**

Zath: Oh my oh me ... how do I explain Naga's laugh in terms you can understand without ever having experienced it? Hmm ... picture this, if you will:
Imagine Santa Claus' laugh.
Now imagine how Santa Claus would laugh if he simultaneously sucked down a tank of helium and was kicked in the 'nads by Mrs. Claus.
That should give you some idea.

Jenna: A very good list of rules to live by when your resources are limited, I agree.

SJ, re: Babylon Files: ROTFLMSAO!!

Kitainia, re: A&M disaster: Yes, I heard about this. It *is* very terrible, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. In fact, I heard about one gentleman who was saying it should've been him who had died in the disaster ... he had built the bonfire pyramid for the past 15 or so years, and this was the first year in that amount of time that he hadn't built it.

Wilek again, re: link: Sick and wrong ... sick ... and ... wrong!!!

Night Walker: Yeah, I've been listening to it ... it's really contrived. And I just *loved* the disclaimer at the beginning ... like *that's* gonna reassure all of the paranoid survivalist wackos who are prepared to live off of beer, ammo and toilet paper for 30 years. :)

On that note, I suppose I can look forward to the wipe ...
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:49:08 PM
IP: zzz-209252248095.splitrock.net

**Xanathar clicks on Wilek's name link and then runs SCREAMING out of the room** THE HORROR!!!:)
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:25:25 PM
IP: 139.134.27.66

Hey guys , sorry no big post tonight. I'm watching the biggest peice of crap that has been shown on tv since the N'sync christmas video. Y2K:the movie. If you wanna take a peek at all the insanity turn to NBC right now. I'm laughing so hard. It's so cheesy too. And they keep making referances to the "new millenium. But we know better.Just thought you guys would like to know.

Wilek-Although that was pretty mean it almost made me pee in my pants from the strange mix of hilarousness and the fact that it was probably the most terrifying thing I've ever seen . Thanx for the good laugh.

Well , gotta get back to my crappy movie.

Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters.

night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:00:29 PM
IP: proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net

Wilek- ::looks at the webpage in horror::: This is probably the most scariest thing I have ever graced my eyes apon
Bronx - [Bronx Wyvern4@aol.com]
Sunday, November 21, 1999 09:41:12 PM
IP: spider-tq041.proxy.aol.com

Zath> Coming from a family of *slumlords*, I'm checking on what you can legally do about your disgusting and greedy landlord. I'll get back to you as soon as I hear from my brothers (one being a landlord and the other being an attorney) :)
Also, one more tidbit concerning "plus-size" clothing - Lane Bryant (world's largest retail manufacturer of plus size clothing) stopped several years ago of using plus size models. The reason? Women who purchased the clothing did not want to see a plus size woman modeling the clothing they were purchasing - was too much reality for them. Sales went up when they switched to the thinner models. And..... several clothing lines have changed the sizing of clothing. What was once a size 14 is now sized at a 12, and so forth. Gives the illusion of being thinner than you actually are, boosting your ego and therefore buying that particular line of clothing because you can wear a size smaller. ("you" being generic) It's never ending with the mind games manufacturers play on the consumer... especially to those who are gullible enough to be sucked in by it. O_o
Jannie
Sunday, November 21, 1999 08:58:00 PM
IP: 196-101.c.esc4.net

Wilek> Seiken Densetsu 3: Yeah, I've heard of it. I've finished it twice. A group has released a translation patch. So, I you don't care, you could get an emulator (zsnes), find the rom, and patch it. Check my link for the translation page. Or maybe I read you wrong, and you laready have it.

I love translations. In addition to SD3, I have Final Fantasy II/IV full, FFV, & Rockman and Forte.

Ok, I've already asked about colors, but when to I get to complain about my personal life here? I don't feel like I know you enough yet.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.esu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, November 21, 1999 06:18:02 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

hey all!

to all November b-days< Happy Birthday!!!! I hope you have wonderful birthdays that make you feel an entire year older :P

Christine< yes, its for artwork, she is making a huge drawing of Lexington and Aiden for the Gathering. The other day we were discussing what their positions were going to be, and well, lets just say its going to be a rather interesting drawing. hehe

byebye!!!!

cherry blossom
WI, USA
Sunday, November 21, 1999 03:22:42 PM
IP: abd45b18.ipt.aol.com

HEY!! Got updates to my Guest Art page! Some really great stuff from Aimee, Kenna, Kythera and more! Check it out!!

Thanks to all of you who keep sending me such great artwork! :)
CrzyDemona - [<--- Guest Art UPDATE!]
Sunday, November 21, 1999 02:35:50 PM
IP: 209.150.94.77

Help me.

I am so creeped out right now its not even funny.

The reason? Well, its a long story. Basically...My friend Jon-Paul was renting an apartment from a Chinese lawyer named Mr. Lee. Jon-Paul got really sick, couldn't go to work, and they fired him. He didn't have enough money for rent. He was evicted. Mr. Lee, who turned out to be a little bit psycho, made it a habit of calling all of Jon-Paul's friends and family and screaming about what a horrible person JP was. *sigh* Jon-Paul got well, got a new job, and paid his back-rent. All good, right? Well...no. Mr. Lee (who has got to be at least fifty) called me a couple weeks ago. I thought it was going to be about Jon-Paul again. Nope. He asked me out. Uhm, aaahhh! I declined, of course, and thought that was that. I come home this afternoon to THREE messages from the man! Probably should change my phone number....

Okay, happy thought: I saw Sleepy Hollow! (No spoilers.) An excellant movie. Say what you will about Johnny Depp as a person, but the man is a superb actor. Beautiful looking film, lush and dreamlike; in other words, typical Burton.

Oh, happy birthday to those I might have missed.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Sunday, November 21, 1999 02:11:50 PM
IP: ctrts3-3.mrs.umn.edu

SJ: *Loved* the Babylon Files! I was giggling the whole way through it!

Neverwhere casting: Ewan McGreggor would be a good choice--after all, Richard wasn't English. I think he was Scottish, but I don't remember.
Islington *would* have to be someone very androgynous. Some slender little wimpy man.

Snadman: yeah, thank god the movie's dead. The line was "Foolish mortals, you think your weapons can harm me? I am the Sandman!" Ummm, *no*. I just can't see Johnny Depp as the Sandman. I just can't...
I think that Tori's to old to be Delirium--Delirium is supposed to be a young girl. And she *was* Death on the cover of "Death: The High Cost of Living" (Oh, and I *do* have the new Tori CD--I got it the day it came out! I love "Bliss", although so far, the second CD--her live stuff--is my favorite. The live version of "Precious Things *rocks*. And if you like that, get the new Indigo Girls CD--the words "Radical departure" came to mind when I heard the first song, "Go"--Indigo Girls do electric guitar. "Go" reaffirmed my belief that maybe rock isn't completely dead, despite the attempts to kill it by Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit...)

Wilek: If yu haven't read Neil Gaiman, you're *definitely* missing out. Go pick up a copy of the graphic novel "Preludes and Nocturns"--it's the first "Sandman" book. "<<Or maybe even Keanu Reeves (although I am in mortal terror of the thought of him trying the accent), because his default state is "Huh? Wha?">> You know, that is a chillingly accurate description of me. :)" And didn't you say you were blond, too? Ohh, my... ;) "Needless to say I've never been concerned with such things...but really, I've always found it amusing that many of you humans find enormous sacks of fat hanging off a girl's chest to be attractive, but many would be turned off if it were distributed elsewhere. ;)" <jewel starts giggling. GIves up and starts laughing hysterically> I *like* you.

jewel
Sunday, November 21, 1999 12:56:52 PM
IP: 98a71ebe.ipt.aol.com

Sevarius Jr.> He he your funny...nice x-files story. I can't wait to show my editor. he's a big X-files's fan.

Anyway gotta fly....some nasty homework to accomplish!

Sarge #152
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, USA
Sunday, November 21, 1999 12:16:34 PM
IP: spider-tn071.proxy.aol.com

Check out my name link if y'all are really, really brave. This site just makes me scream in horror. o_o'
Wilek
Sunday, November 21, 1999 12:14:10 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Hi all!!

SJ re The Babylon Files:*LOL*:)

Zath:That place sounds terrible:(

Wilek re Unicron figure:<<Probably whoever controls the conspiracy to keep cool stuff like this in Japan where no one else can get it...<sigh> >>Oh okay*Xanathar whips out a chainsaw and walks out of the room and returns half an hour later carrying the severed head of a Disney exec*I got him,Now where can I get the Unicron figures. >;)

Goodnight all!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Sunday, November 21, 1999 06:25:54 AM
IP: 139.134.27.66

SEVARIUS JR. - Thanks for the "Babylon Files" bit - it was quite funny. (That's at least the second "X-Files" spoof posted here; I recall that a little under a year ago, I posted a Christmas "X-Files" bit about Mulder and Scully on the trail of Santa Claus in this room that I'd found in a newsgroup).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, November 21, 1999 06:23:37 AM
IP: 216.87.40.232.dialup-stl.primary.net

*quick post*

Kit > your welcome and I found out the offical date that From Dusk 'Till Dawn 3 comes out in rental stores is suppose to be January 8, 2000.....

well, gtg....

*fades into thin air*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Sunday, November 21, 1999 01:51:02 AM
IP: host-209-214-119-35.bna.bellsouth.net

sorry guys , I'll hafta do that super-long post tomorrow. I'm just way too tired. just a few replies abd I'm off to bed.

Kitania-That sounds great, Do you have any suggestions for a good time in to which I should jump in? Possibly in the next big battle.

Jannie- good , then I got it right , I'm glad I did , that way I don't get embarassed. LOL

exploding tv- Hey I don't really think that's a bad thing , at least it wasn't your computer. What I would do though is use that as inspiration for a fanfic. But that's just me.

list of the day:top ten favorite female characters[based on decisions and actions , not appearence]

1.Demona-Gargoyles
2.Elisa-Gargoyles
3.San[princess mononoke]-princess mononoke
4.Toki-princess mononoke
5.Angela-Gargoyles
6.Lady Eboshi-princess mononoke
7.Jen-Downtown
8.Moro-Princess momomoke
9.Daria-Daria
10.Rinoa-Final Fantasy 8

These were all from cartoons except for #10[for those of you who didn't know already, which is problbly nobody]. I counted her because of the cgi-suquences in the game.

goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters , I've missed you all.

oh , and my hotmail account is almost full , I was hoping to get a second address where I'd put all of my gargoyles related stuff . Is Wyvrn-Web a good choice?
night walker - [goliath01hotmail.com]
hobart , IN, usa
Sunday, November 21, 1999 01:26:09 AM
IP: proxy-543.public.rwc.webtv.net

A friend of mine in the BobLarson fan club came up with these rules for a Televangelist card game...
*******
As for rules, here's a game I'd been toying with for a while. It's really a "fake out your opponent" game, so it doesn't work well withcomputers. Therefore, I'll make it my Christmas gift to the BLFC. Give it a try, and lemme know how well it plays. If you guys like it, maybe we can get some budding artists out there to do some art for it. . .

NUMBER OF PLAYERS

Two to four.

EQUIPMENT

Each player needs ten money-cards numbered one through ten (playing cards will do fine). One YOINK token (a quarter). Fourteen item-cards, which can be anything (business cards or index cards would work well).
On the item cards is the following:

Vail Ski-mansion worth $11
Margo Hamilton in the Yacht Club Hotel worth $10
Trophy-wife and kids worth $9
New show on a crooked religious TV network worth $8
New radio station to milk worth $7
New trend to exploit worth $6
New "best-selling" book worth $5
DWJD member worth $4
Vacation in Paris worth $3
Appearance on Larry King worth $2
new tape to hawk on the air worth $1
Phony phone-caller worth $-1
Nosey dumpster-diver worth $-2
Summons to appear in court worth $-3

BACKGROUND

Flash back to early 1940's. Due to a freak accident involving a solar flare, an eclipse, secret atomic experiments, and some weird stuff that can happen only in Nebraska, the still-embryonic Bob Larson split into
multiple incarnations. Therefore, you and you partners are ALL Bob Larson. You are all crooked little hair-plugged adulterers. In order to solve the problem of scarce resources to exploit, you have come up with
a bidding system. . .

OBJECT

To get the most stuff by being a devious little weasel, faking out your opponent, and stealing if necessary. Duh.

PLAY

Shuffle the item-cards and place the stack in front of you, face-up.
Place the YOINK token next to the stack. The item showing on top is the item for which you are bidding. Each player chooses what to bid for that item and places the corresponding money-card in front of him, face-down.
When all players have their money-cards in front of them, turn them up simultaneously. The player with the highest money-card wins the item-card. Both money-cards are then discarded, and the round continues to the next item on the top of the stack.

If there is a tie, a player can do one of two things:
- Choose to continue to the next round, in which you will bid on that item and the next item in the deck.
- Shout "Yoink!", grab the YOINK token, and claim the item for yourself! The first player to grab the token gets the item, and every player can Yoink an item only once during the game. Be sure to put the YOINK token back for the next round.

THREE OR FOUR PLAYER RULES

Not really much different. If there's a two, three, or four-way tie for highest bid, ALL players who haven't yet Yoinked are permitted to Yoink the prize, not just the highest bid.

GAME OVER
**********

I'm already thinking about a Jim and Tammy Bakker expansion set :)
Skippy The Klingon
Sunday, November 21, 1999 12:03:04 AM
IP: 207.22.234.82

**RP HERE**

Kitainia walks up to Tom and puts a hand on his shoulder. "What's the matter?" He shrugs it off and walks away. "You wouldn't understand." "Why wouldn't she?" Doug asks, stepping in front of Tom. The engineer waves him away. "It's Janice, isn't it?" Shauna barks and Tom looks at her in surprise. "I knew it," the archer goes on. "Damn it, boy, you should have told her how you feel and stop leading the woman on." "I did tell her," Tom sighs, "and she refused." "I'm sorry," Doug says, not knowing what else to tell him in the situation. Kitainia frowns and puts her hand on Tom's shoulder again. "Did she say why she didn't want you?" "Yeah," Shap adds. "Why wouldn't she? You're a great guy, man, and Janice doesn't exactly have men hanging around her." "Guys," Tom tells them, "thanks for your help, but I don't think any of you can understand this. When you've gone looking for a person to care about and found the one you know is perfect, you've all been able to have them. I have not." "Well," Gubio says, "it took us all a lot of searching. Maybe you still have some time left on your own quest to find someone." "No, Janice is the one. I know it, and if she can't like me..." "A wise man once told me," Erin interrupts him, "that if you love someone and they love you but refuse to show it the best thing to do is wait until they come around. Love is fickle but persistent, and until it is satisfied it continues to wear on a person's heart." Tom pauses for a moment, considering this, then nods. "Okay," he says, "I'll try to do that. In the meantime, I need a place to lie down." "There's some rooms downstairs," Wilek tells him, then gives directions. Tom nods and thanks everyone for their help, then leaves. "You think he'll be alright?" Doug asks Kitainia worriedly. "We can only pray that he can be," Orion says. "Yeah," Lathrop nods in agreement. "I hate to say it, but I'm glad I've never felt his pain." "Few of us have," sighs Kitainia. "I guess that's why he knows we can never understand it." Orion shakes his head. "Perhaps some of us can. I too lost someone once." "You did?" Shap asks. "You've never told us about that." "It's a long story. It happened before I met you." "Can you please tell us now?" Doug asks. "We got some time while we wait to see SJ." He looks at the others and they nod, Wilek looking especially interested. Only Jaden turns away looking like he's about to be bored. Orion fails to notice this and sits down in a chair. The others cluster around him, looking expectant. "Go on," says Kitainia. "We're your friends, you needn't be afraid." "I know," he says. "It's just that the memory is painful." He closes his eyes, then opens them, looking determined. "But I can talk about it. It happened eleven years ago, five years before I met all of you. I was a young lad of twenty-four then, attending the seminary college in San Antonio to earn my status as a priest. I had not found true faith then as I have now, nor my powers of clerical investment. She led me to them, and in doing so sacrificed herself. Her name was Tanith Rodgers, and she was a Wiccan priestess attending the university of Texas in San Antonio, at which I took courses in subjects the seminary could not teach. We shared many classes. For the first six months we had known one another, I tried to be only a good friend to her, keeping in mind our difference in religion and the vows I had decided to eventually make. But in the end, I could not deny the love I felt for Tanith, the emotion that killed her in the end." He looks particularly sad as the Ravens' faces adopt interested and confused expressions. "There is more, of course," Orion says. "I am almost too pained to go on. But nevertheless I shall."

**THIS RP WILL BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME, NOW WE MUST POST**

<walks in with somber look on her face, adopts a Droopy voice> Hello, all you happy people. <sighs> Wondering why I'm so sad? Well, something terrible happened two nights ago. How many people here know of the rivalry between UT-Austin and Texas A&M? Well, I'm sure most of you know of the recent tragedy that happened at the latter college. They were holding their annual bonfire celebration to give the school good luck for their football game for us this week, and the ten-story bonfire they built collapsed. Twelve people were crushed to death under the huge flaming logs and at least thirty others were injured. All of A&M, and despite the rivalry all of UT as well, has since been grieving because of the occurence. We canceled the Hex Rally we traditionally hold to make A&M lose the football game, the Tower was darkened, and all over the campus flags fly at half-staff. Doug and I, though we did not even know any of the people at A&M who are now dead, share in the pain of their families and friends. For that reason, I hope you'll excuse the somber note of this posting. <moment of silence for A&M's departed> On with replies.

Dags: Thanks for letting us know about Dusk till Dawn 3. Hope it's soon available to the general public and is better than the first prequel.

SJ: I agree with you about female firefighters, hope the qualification boards wise up soon. Re- computer porn viewers- You know what I do to people I see browsing sites like that on school machines? I reach over and restart their computers by flipping the on-off button. The look on my face when they turn to snap at me usually tells them that getting angry about it is not a good idea and they leave (this has worked so far at least). Five minutes later, the computer is available for a different person's use. Best way to deal with it short of calling a monitor. :)

Buffy and Angel this week: Enjoyed both episodes, the former more than the latter. Would fully review them, but enough people already have, saying just about everything I could, so as usual I don't see the need. :) Liked the Riley development in Buffy the most, hope to see more of it ahead along with further development on the whole Campus Inquisition and on Spike now that he has a starring role.

Mandi: I too agree that you are physically attractive (having seen photos), and from what Doug's told me are also a wonderful person. Hope we can meet someday. <grins> After reading that rant I agree with you about Lizz. How she's managed to hold on to the job of editor with that attitude is beyond my knowledge. :(

Zath: Nope, not that car. I meant any vehicle that goes at a reasonable speed (up to and 120 mph), so Jeff Gordon could probably still outrun me in the Dreammobile. :) Good devil story idea. I bet the guy would not accept the charges at the end of it, right? :)

Spike: Glad to hear AI is going well. Keep up the good work, hope to read it soon. :)

Pistoff: Thanks for the continued compliments, and for explaining Clyde's origins. Doug and I continue to look forward to the story when it comes out.

Green Baron: Pretty much agree with you about Tom Hanks and with you and TJ about Jesse Jackson (especially after hearing his speeches here on the campus last year). $ Keep up the great and hilarious Blackadder RPs.$

Memnoch the Devil: Read that book and enjoyed it. I was kinda disappointed in the ending, but other than that thought it was great, with the best portrayal of the Devil as a character that I'd ever seen.

Happy Birthday to all who have recently had one. My congratulations and good thoughts go out to you, and also to those who are currently spending quality time with the people they love. Hope you continue to enjoy it. :)

Richard Simmons: For all the reasons mentioned already, I hate him too. He's very high on my personal RP death list. Soon as I can think of some suitable method, he will meet his end at either the hands of me or Asil. :)

Susan Powter: Don't know who this is, but if Pistoff doesn't like her I probably wouldn't either. Who is she, Pist, just so I can be sure?

Heather: I too do not want you to leave. Hope you'll stay around, because I value you as a good friend (like I value everyone in here). I think that so far everyone shares this feeling. What makes you think we'd ever want you to leave?

Macbeth as Falstaff: Interesting idea. I too can see it happening, and because of it I'm very curious as to how he would respond to Shakespeare protraying him in two such different ways (as Falstaff and as himself). Hope someone writes a good story someday that allows us to find out the answer. <grin>

Nightwalker: Don't worry, we're not mad that you haven't been here, though we have been missing you. :) Welcome back. $ Since you asked, the RP is kind of at a lull now. In the past month, we've battled the Phalanx in Egypt and defeated them, though at the cost of SJ's life. We're now back on the Avatar recuperating and undergoing various human dramas while waiting for SJ's body, which is now demon-posessed for some reason, to reawaken (I'll let you fill in more on what has happened with that). Meanwhile my evil clone Asil is causing havoc in Hollywood with the help of her pals Storm Eagle and the Dirty Laundry Gang. They'll probably be our next opponents. If you want to jump in and join us, this could be a great time. $

Today's Shows: Batman Beyond was okay this morning, though it didn't have very interesting development or villains. Liked Pokemon a lot, Richie was an interesting character and the plot next week has great development possibilities (Creativity Demon- "Ash," Richie cries, "you may have defeated Zippo, but you cannot beat my master. Duncan, I choose you!" He throws down a Pokeball and releases a very POed Duncan McLeod.) Sorry, couldn't resist. <grin>

Jenna: Thank you for that most excellent advice. I shall take it to heart and use it when Doug and I start and begin a family of our own as well as now.

Anne: Ack, sounds like there was a poltergeist in your TV set. Spooky. Gside gave the best and most realistic explanation for it, I think. Hope you were able to buy a new one. :)

**BEGIN WEEKEND MOVIE SPOILER-REVIEWS**

Saw the new Bond and Sleepy Hollow last night. Christine pretty much summed up my opinion on the former. It had a weak formulaic plot with a script that was much too predictable. I thought Denise Richards and Sophie Marceau did okay preformances as the Bond girls, but they could have done a lot better (and the script gave them little to do, but that's beside the point). Same deal with Renard and M. Only parts of the movie I really liked were the action and R (John Cleese was excellent, I look forward to what he does next). Brosnan made a decent Bond as he has so far, but he wasn't as memorable this time around (like he was in Goldeneye) since the film was so easy to follow and predict. Hope that next time they surprise us. Overall, World is Not Enough gets a 5/10, thumbs down except on the action. I recommend it if you like Bond movies, but not if you're indifferent or don't.

Sleepy Hollow was a lot better. In the beginning I had trouble getting into it because of all the plot holes but as the film moved on and erased them I got to enjoy it a lot. Good preformances abounded from all the actors, especially Depp and the one who played young Moseby. The script, while weak in the beginning, turned out to be great in the end. Tim Burton did some superb direction and the sense of horror and mystery he made present throughout the movie really helped to add to its mood. I gave it an 8/10 in the end, thumbs up. It was good, and should have come out earlier (like at Halloween). There were a few problems to it, though. One, it was too dark up until the end. I didn't like that and thought it could have used a few more moments of sunshine to make the darkness more prevalent. There was also too much unnecessary gore, though I recognize that it too added to the horror mood. My biggest gripe was that Christopher Walken wasn't used to his full potential. He made a good Headless Horseman, but IMO could have done better if his menace relied more on character, acting, and presence than computer special effects. He also should have had some lines, I think the creepiest thing about Walken is his voice. :) Despite these faults, I still recommend the movie. Go see it, and enjoy.

**THESE SPOILER/REVIEWS END. COMING NEXT WEEK- PRINCESS MONONOKE, TOY STORY 2, AND END OF DAYS**

Also coming next week, Thanksgiving. :) Hope you all have a good one. Doug and I will be going to Houston for ours, so we'll be out of the room from Wednesday to Saturday nights. $ The RP is not suspended during that time, hope some of you will move ahead with your sides of it (looking especially forward to anything Wilek and SJ do soon, and Jaden, if you've been waiting for a lull in the action to make your move, the time is now). You can use the Ravens during it if you want, and Asil's party as long as you don't kill them. We hope to finish Orion's tale before leaving on Wednesday, and the Asil-Matthew Perry death. $

That's all for tonight, I guess. Talk to you again soon. Later!

**RESUME ASIL'S JOYRIDE RP**

Asil and the Dirty Laundry Gang return to their penthouse hideout, carrying with them a bound and gagged Matthew Perry. Storm Eagle looks up from her copy of Seventeen magazine as they enter and leaps to her feet with a cry of joy. "You brought him! Thank you, thank you!" "No trouble," Asil snaps, motioning Scrubber and Lint Man to set Perry down on the room's bed. "I assume you'll want some time alone?" She nods eagerly. "Alright then," Asil says. "We're going out for supplies. Take all you need." She turns to leave, but Detergent stops her. "Before we leave," he says, "I need to know. Are my gang and I hired or not?" Asil rolls her eyes. "Since you've proven yourselves, and I don't feel the urge to go looking for other applicants, yes, you're all hired." The DLG immediately breaks out into loud amazed cheers. "You won't regret this," grins Socko. "We'll serve you well," Nylon Man agrees. "Thank you." "No problem," Asil says. "Now come along, we need to gather supplies for the things I want to do in this city before returning to Thailog. We'll need food, drinks, explosives, chewing gum, cigarettes, ammunitions, and guns. Lots and lots of guns." "I know just the place to get all that stuff," Detergent says. "You guys go out and find it then," says Storm Eagle, who is untying Matthew Perry and giggling as she feels his body. "I'll be here with this dreamboat. Don't come back too soon, okay?" "Don't worry," Asil grimaces in disgust. "Yeah," Bleach Man nods. "You have a good time, Stormy. And listen, if you and this guy don't work out, I'll be right nearby." "Whatever," Storm Eagle groans, walking to the closet. "See you guys later." The Dirty Laundry Gang nod farewell and then go, Asil following after one last angry shake of the head. "They just can't understand me," Storm Eagle laments, taking a revealing teddy out of the closet and holding it against her in front of the room's mirror. "Well, I know you will, Matthew. I've watched your show enough. And now, I will have someone who will care about me, and a handsome guy too." She grins and laughs, then continues to get ready for when Perry comes around.

**COMING SOON- STORM EAGLE'S RUDE AWAKENING. FOR NOW END RP**
Kitainia
Sunday, November 21, 1999 12:01:06 AM
IP: pool-209-138-63-94.dlls.grid.net

Zath: <Curious George holding a glass stopper in his hand and lying on his back, unconscious next to an open bottle of
ether.>
"Curious George goes to the hospital", I believe

Exploding TV's: Hmm... Well, LM says that:
1. you have ghosts
2. Someone in your family has a phycological problem and it is manifesting itself in the form of physical damage to household things (possibly the thing causing him/her the stress, such as the house)

You may laugh at #1, but I have seen the ghosts in this house, although not as much as LM and her family have.

SORROW: <Dork ;P>
And proud of it!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 11:53:45 PM
IP: 216.90.45.189

Anyone else seen the first Addams Family movie? I was watching it tonight, and a realization hit me like a Vorlon planetkiller right between the eyes--Ms. Craven and Gordon remind me *eerily* of Demona and Jericho. <blink> Not in every little detail of course, but...well, look at their first scene and tell me you can't imagine Demmy and Jerry in their place. :P I will never watch that movie the same way again...

Anne> <<When I last posted here I signed out and then went to go watch Dusk Till Dawn 3. But the VCR ate the film up and we couldn't get the tape out. Later that night, when we were all asleep, the TV EXPLODED--literally, it blew up in a bunch of pieces. Wanna know the really scary thing? It wasn't plugged in. How the #!*% can a TV explode if it _isn't_ even _plugged in_? My sister got paranoid about it and started talking about ghosts and finally I had to cup her mouth when she wouldn't be quiet. And then, later this morning, every light bulb in the house cracked. The night before that our heater broke down. And my sister keeps saying, "The dolls are alive!">> O_o This is weird...if it weren't for the doll thing I'd think it was a weird contraction/expansion problem caused by temperature extremes, but this...eek...

Shogun Raptor> <<I had Windcharger, all five dinobots, the targetmaster seacons, crosshairs, mindwipe, skullcruncher, scorponok,submarauder, optimus prime, cliffjumper, all 6 constructicons, divebomb, headstrong, tantrum, cindersaur, all three monsterbots, rippersnapper, shockwave, omega supreme (who I exchanged for shockwave) hot rod, quickswitch, blurr, wreck-gar, all three insecticons, punch-counterpunch,brainstorm, astrotrain, springer, gnaw (sharkticon), frenzy, ratbat, warpath, cosmos and that's all I can think of for now, but later on I got into beast wars, and I've got Noctorro, quickstrike, Silverbolt, Transmetal Optimus primal, T2 and repaint dinobot, T2 Cheetor, T2 Blackarachnia, Tigerhawk, T2 Megs, transmetal tarantulus, Rampage and Tripredacus>> O_O <bows> I'M NOT WORTHY!!!

Xanathar> <<who do I have to kill to obtain one of these :)>> Probably whoever controls the conspiracy to keep cool stuff like this in Japan where no one else can get it...<sigh> I'd probably move there if it were an option. I mean, there's an insanity of ever-kewl stuff there and less than half of it ever makes it overseas. :/ Anyone ever hear of a little SNES game called Seiken Densetsu 3? Thought not...

Warpmind> <<Ooh-kay... I gotta get to read that series, too... I read very few fanseries, but those I read, I read thoroughly... Christine's, Spike's, TGS... I guess Wilek is next to be properly added...>> Hehehe. It's not quite as insane as that little preview yet (the first few kind of stink, to be perfectly honest), but give it time. ;) (A *lot* of time, if my pace so far is any indication...)

Jewel> forgot last time> <<Or maybe even Keanu Reeves (although I am in mortal terror of the thought of him trying the accent), because his default state is "Huh? Wha?">> You know, that is a chillingly accurate description of me. :)

Zath> Oh...ye...GODZ...That place sounds like a nightmare!!! Mushrooms...oh, by the Triat, what is this place...You're right, lass; burn the place to the ground, collect the insurance, and find a new one. Dear gawds, *mushrooms*...<> Oii, I've done that so many times...I'm a night person anyhow, and it's very easy to spend hours in a place like this. :)

Oh, I downloaded the Sleepy Hollow trailer today. Wow. Just, WOW. (Although I do believe Mr. Disconnect designed their blasted website...)

Sarge> <<We had some things switch places, go disappear. And there was a ghostly figure on the hill that never moved. I called it the nun with a bible because that is what it kinda looked like. I dunno if it was the mist er' not....but we have had a suicide in our neighborhood area and my friends once found bones in the backyard. But now it's gone.>> O_O' Ack...I'm glad that's not going on anymore...I wonder what causes this kind of thing...

Jannie: <<it left me with a very good message; to have faith and not allow my "traditions" to get in the way so much.>> [Kosh strolls in and says, "Formality...ritual...you should be informed."] <blink> WTF was that...?

Neil Gaiman stuff> I get the feeling I've missed something?

SJ> <<Oh, and I agree with you about breasts. It's not necessary for a woman to have large ones...>> Needless to say I've never been concerned with such things...but really, I've always found it amusing that many of you humans find enormous sacks of fat hanging off a girl's chest to be attractive, but many would be turned off if it were distributed elsewhere. ;) That, plus the fact that the things are of no real use except to babies anyhow, makes me wonder if most of the rest of the male gender isn't psychologically defective. (Like there's a female alive who isn't aware of *that*.) :) B5/X-Files bit> O_O ROTFLMTO!!! :D
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, November 20, 1999 11:32:22 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Cherry Blossom > Lexy wants to use Aiden for what? If it's artwork, absolutely, I just wanna see! ; )

Mara > for pics, I can be a little more flexible. Say by Saturday, if that helps. Flapper Angela? Sounds most intriguing!

Movies > saw the new Bond yesterday. Kind of weak, overall. A shame. M got a bigger role but still didn't get to _do_ anything; I was wishing to watch her kick some bottom. John Cleese will probably be a most worthy successor as R once Q retires. The Denise Richards character was one of the worst "Bond Girls" yet. Robert Carlyle would have been a fun villain if they'd given him a little more zing. And Pierce, well, what can I say, he's got the accent, he's got the look, he's silvering nicely around the temples ... IMO, he's the best Bond (note: I adore Connery, but I adore Connery _now_ and thought Connery as Bond was actually kinda goofy-lookin'.) No good previews, which was another letdown. Next, I wanna see all the gruesome, realistic decapitations our paper griped about in Sleepy Hollow! ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 11:00:15 PM
IP: dial45.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Dangit, forgot to wish a happy belated birthday to all of those I missed while I was out. That's Pistoff, Jannie, SOROW, and Ironwolf....Hope I didn't leave anyone out. I don't love you any less if I did!

Here's a little something I found over at Zealot Online. Apperently, there's a rumor out now that Chris Carter (X-Files) and J. Michael Strazcynski (Babylon 5) have teamed up, possibly for a tv show, possibly for a movie. The folks over at Zealot did a nice, funny piece about how the show may go. It's long, so be forewarned. Here's THE BABYLON FILES:

Behind the Scenes at The Babylon Files
MULDER: It was the dawning of the third age of mankind...
SCULLY: "Third age?" It's the third millenium, Mulder, not the third "Age." And it's only the third millenium since the birth of
Jesus Christ, not the third millenium of humanity.
MULDER: I'm trying to narrate, Scully, give me a break.
SCULLY: And what's this about "mankind," anyway? Isn't that a little unnecessarily exclusive?
MULDER: It's a term of art, now will you let me finish this?
SCULLY: Fine. Go right ahead.
MULDER: All right. Where was I? Right. It was the dawning of the third age of HUMANITY...
SCULLY: That's a little better.
MULDER: Thank you.
SCULLY: You're welcome.
MULDER: (clears throat) It was the dawning of the third age of humanity, and the first interstellar war was upon us. It was an
unwinnable war, a war in which we were destined to be the conquered, a war which nobody even knew was being fought
except those who died... and those few of us who saw the truth and survived.
FRANK BLACK: Did somebody say something about Millennium?
MULDER: Oh, for crying out loud.
BLACK: What?
SCULLY: Don't mind him. He's the "narrator."
BLACK: Oh. So, what's this about Millenium?
MULDER: Nothing. It's the dawning of the Third Age, and it just happens to coincide with thebeginning of the millenium.
BLACK: I'm supposed to guest star, this week.
SCULLY: Another coincidence.
MULDER: I don't believe in coincidences. Who put you up to this, Black?
SCULLY: Mulder--
BLACK: No, it's all right. Chris Carter invited me to guest-star so we could tie up some loose ends relating to the Millenium
Project.
MULDER: The what?
BLACK: Uh, it's not important. What's this about a third age? When was the first one?
SCULLY: Good question.
MULDER: A long time ago, all right? And how do we know we can trust this guy?
BLACK: I'm retired FBI. I've tracked serial killers for--
MULDER: So have I. Come on, Scully, look at him, with those buggy eyes and that pale skin. What if he's one of THEM?
BLACK: Hey, I saw last week's episode. You're the only alien, here.
SCULLY: What?
BLACK: Didn't you watch it?
SCULLY: It's on tape. What's he talking about, Mulder?
MULDER: Nothing! Forget it, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
BLACK: They said explicitly that you were the first successful human-alien hybrid of the project, and they've been trying for
years to replicate that success.
MULDER: This is--
SCULLY: God! I can't believe I almost KISSED you all those times!
BLACK: Oh, you were ready to go to town, all right.
SCULLY: Gross!
MULDER: Will you shut up, Black? We have an opening narration to record!
SCULLY: I am NEVER almost kissing you again. I don't care how good you look in a Speedo. Put THAT in the record.
MULDER: Fine. What do I care? I was hot for your sister, anyway.
SCULLY: WHAT? You creep!
BLACK: I, uh, I don't think this is--
MULDER: Oh, shut up!
SCULLY: I'm not talking to you, anymore. That's it.
BLACK: I, uh, am not sure this is conducive--
MULDER: IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE THIRD AGE OF MANKIND! Big alien war, very hush-hush, it sucked
for everybody except hardly anybody knew about it.
BLACK: What's up with those faceless guys? You know, with the torch-things?
SCULLY: They're alien rebels.
BLACK: Like Mulder?
MULDER: Shut up!
BLACK: What? I'm just asking--
SCULLY: No, they're not immune to the black oil. That's why they sew their eyelids and mouths shut.
BLACK: What about their noses?
SCULLY: I guess they sew those up, too.
BLACK: Ears?
MULDER: A lot of ear wax. Look, can we--
BLACK: What about their--
SCULLY: Ah, I really don't want to know any more about the alien rebels' orifices, thank you. Except from a purely medical
standpoint.
MULDER: She likes to play doctor.
SCULLY: I told you, I am not talking to you anymore.
MULDER: Oh, come on! I'm your rock, remember?
SCULLY: That was before I knew you were thinking dirty about my sister.
MULDER: So? I thought dirty about that entomologist, too. You remember B.J.
SCULLY: You are a half-breed creep. Go back to your porn collection.
BLACK: Look, uh, can we get back to--
MULDER: Fine! Fine! Third Age, aliens bad, humans suck, whatever. I can't believe the Cancerman is my father. I mean--
BLACK: He looks a little like David Prowse.
MULDER: What?
BLACK: Darth Vader. David Prowse. Not the voice, but the body. In most scenes. "Luke, I am your father, take my hand,"
all that?
MULDER: I never saw those movies. I don't know what you're talking about.
BLACK: Yeah, right.
MULDER: I didn't.
SCULLY: You're so full of it.
MULDER: What?!
BLACK: I bet you saw Close Encounters, though.
SCULLY: That would have been like a family reunion.
MULDER: That's not funny!
BLACK: "Hey! It's Aunt Martha, coming out of that ship!"
SCULLY: "With all her itty-bitty cousins!"
MULDER: Shut up! I am NOT an alien! Look, no acid blood! Remember the acid blood?!
SCULLY: I don't care. I'm still never almost kissing you again.
BLACK: It was about time to resolve that issue, anyway.
MULDER: Shut up, Black!
SCULLY: I don't know why you insist on trying to transfer blame to--
MULDER: You have to almost kiss me! I'm the rock, remember?
SCULLY: Forget about it, Mulder. My brother's going to kick your ass when I tell him the way you talked about our sister.
MULDER: I'M THE ROCK! I'M THE ROCK!
BLACK: If you make a gratuitous pro-wrestling reference, I'm leaving.
MULDER: Good! CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE--
BLACK: Good grief.
LONDO MOLARI: Vill you get ON vith the STORY, olready? I have a convention to attend in the morning, and my people
reqvire exposition before ve can invade your vorld!
BLACK: You're behind the Greys? I thought they were another race altogether--that episode with Sheridan and the Narn in
that prison-ship thing?
MOLARI: No, no, no--
MULDER: It's time to SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND KNOW YOUR ROLE!
CHRIS CARTER and J. MICHAEL STRACZINSKI: Oh, forget it.

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 10:50:09 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Sorrow> awwwww.. sounds like you had a great birthday :) Unfortunately I am not able to spend time IRL with Denis - at least not yet (he lives in Belgium). I did, however, get to talk to him on the phone *g* I don't even want to think of what I'd do without him!!

***MOVIE REVIEW**
I saw Dogma today - very good movie. It was not a slam towards Christianity, but instead was very supportive of the belief in God. The improper language could have been curtailed, but other than that, it left me with a very good message; to have faith and not allow my "traditions" to get in the way so much. There were some moments when the movie lagged, but made up for it with the comedy one-liners. Heh, Jay and Silent Bob should receive an Emmy Award *g*
**END OF MOVIE REVIEW**

Jenna> glad you enjoyed Pokemon! *smiles* Also, excellent list for newlyweds! You are so on the target with those. The only suggestion that I could add is to leave the credit cards alone! Stay out of as much debt as you possibly can - especially for the first couple of years. The number one stress in a new marriage is finances - buying a home is 2nd and having children is 3rd. O.O
Jannie
Saturday, November 20, 1999 10:32:03 PM
IP: 168-171-197-39.academicplanet.com

Whoo! Back after a couple days. Had a hectic last couple of days, with lots of school crap going on (basically, I studied for a test I'm sure I failed), and last night I spent most of the evening in an unconscious stupor due to chronic insomnia during the course of the week....Oh well, on with the comments, and forgive me if they aren't exactly 100 percent timely.

Neverwhere Casting: I loved the book. Dearly. Felt it was classic Gaiman, and I'm jacked about the movie being made, especially with a competent director (I would have liked to see someone like Alex Proyas direct it, but he'd take too long). Here's a few of my picks for the cast:
Richard: For some reason, I wanted Ewan McGregor. Then again, he's Scottish not British. But I think he can play off the dazed and confused look.
Door: Jewel, I love you! When I read the book, I immediately wanted Natalie Portman to play her, but I've always thought that was sort of a long shot. Glad to see another choose her.
Marquis: Again, I have a sort of odd choice. I'd like to see Laurence Fishburne play the Marquis, if for no other reason than he impressed me in "The Matrix".
As for the rest...I don't have much of a clue. I think Islington should be androgynous, though. Wasn't it in the book?

Sandman casting: The movie is mercifully dead, now. For those who don't know the history about the proposed film, it was being done by Jon "Hey Kevin Smith, be sure to put lots of polar bears in your Superman script!" Peters, the same man who helped bring us abominations like WWW and Money Train. It started off with Morpheus kicking the Corinthian's ass Bruce Lee-style while quoting such inspired lines as "Foolish mortals!" That film has died, and we are all the best for it. Should a Sandman movie ever get made, however, here are my picks for the Endless.
Dream: Going to go with popular favorite Johnny Depp. True, he looks the part, but I actually feel that he's a good enough actor that he could pull it off. Jewel, I'm afraid that Depp's stoned behavior is unfortunately a natural state of being for him ;)
Death: Christ, I have no idea, really. Maybe Natalie Portman. At one time, the favorite was Faruza Balk, but that's just 'cause she was in "The Craft", I think.
Desire: I read this outta Wizard Magazine, and I like it--K.D. Lang. Pretty good choice, if you ask me, since Desire looks either like a mannish woman or a feminine man. Lang is one of those two, I think.
Despair: Kathy Bates is a good choice. I would have chosen either Rosanne way back when (but she's lost weight) and I'd pick Rosie O'Donnell, but that's just because I find her repulsive enough to play Despair WITHOUT any makeup (But that wouldn't work cause the b!tch would break out in song with that horrible New Yawk accent at some pivotal moment).
Delirium: Forget Tori Amos as Death, she deserves to be Delirium! (BTW, go buy her new double album, NOW!! ;)
Destiny: Terence Stamp. Kneel Son of Jor-El! Kneel before Zod!!! ;D
Destruction: Tough. John Goodman seems like a good choice for Destruction when he's in his full war garb, long beard and all, but the painting-on-the-island-with-Barnabus-the-talking-dog version of Des...hmm, maybe Russel Crowe? Then again, I'm a huge Crowe fan. Oh well...

Angels & Demons: Not to reopen this, but for more reference to angels and demons, check out the Apocrypha.

Lord of the Rings News: Word out now is that Denethor may be played by Donald Sutherlan. Hmmm, interesting...

Why the Beautiful People act like @$$holes: Just like others have said, the reason these poor, deluded trophies are so thick-headed is because they've been raised since the cradle to think about how good-looking they are and how unattractive everyone else is. They come to expect things handed to them. I feel sorry for their lot. They never see the world when it's about to come crashing down on them. When their beauty fades, so do they.

Pistoff: Have you seen Richard "I make fat people cry cause I can!" Simmons lately? If you have, you'd know that he does not have much claim to telling others to lose any weight--his ass has seen smaller times. Please, the man's an aging queen who doesn't have anything better to do with his time than embarass people with serious weight problems just so he can make money. He's a sycophant, a parasite.
Oh, and I agree with you about breasts. It's not necessary for a woman to have large ones....I'm more concerned that they actually *are* women in these days and times....but it doesn't hurt, does it? Ahh....Jennifer Love Hewitt. ;]

Mandolin: Keyhole pupil? What the hell is that? Does that mean you have like an hourglass-shaped pupil? Maybe I'm just a little freaky, but I think that'd actually look kind of cool. No joke, either, I'm being serious.
And please, no worries about your looks. You're a very attractive young woman. :)
Of course, you all realize this is just an insidious ploy by me to get all you females to pose for a "Women of the CR" calendar, right? I'll make millions! BWAH HA!! BWAH HA HA H!!!! ;0) j/k!!!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 10:30:15 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Hello everyone!

Thanks to Jannie, Green Baron, Spacebabie, jenna, Aaron, Coyote, Pistoff, Xanathar, and all those I missed for wishing me a happy birthday! It was the best I've ever had for two reasons: 1) My favorite guy in the whole world (our very own Joe Boxer) actually made me a free standing model of Brooklyn out of wire! It is the most awesome and wonderful thing anyone has ever done for me...I cried. 2) I got to spend the whole day with him :) *sniff*

FireStorm> Dork ;P

Vectors> I couldn't believe it! I took the Physics test, and I swear I was positive that I failed... but I made an 82 on it! Not that I love vectors now or anything...but that rocks!

Jannie> Did you have a good birthday? You spent it with your sweetie too?! :) What would we do without them?
SOROW
Saturday, November 20, 1999 09:33:32 PM
IP: dll2a030-0500.splitrock.net

Saw today's Pokemon- liked Richie a lot- very interested to see where this goes.
jenna
Saturday, November 20, 1999 07:49:41 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-142-218.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

Never has this pic been more appropriate...:D

There's a technical term for the way I feel right now, but it's not for polite company... For some reason, hyperrealistic dreams don't give you much in the way of sleep. Especially when they involve swimming for your life from REALLY big sharks... :P

Fortunately, I've got Mera here to keep me awake. If I can snag some nice, peaceful sleep tonight, I just might pull through. Otherwise, I wish my corpse to be redistributed by high explosive...:P

Oh, crud. I forgot the multiple birthdays that just went by... *sheepish grin* Well, a very merry un-birthday to all of you!

Ooo, "March of Cambreadth"! Suddenly, I'm awake again! Now, where'd I put that SPAS 12? Anybody ever hear of an artist named Heather Alexander?

*Scans through the last few days' worth of posts, and notices the disproportionate number dealing with bosoms*
Yeesh... What a topic. And this right after that whole incest run...:P Where's some good attention grabbing violence when you need it?
*A large shotgun autoejects from a drawer, and Valentine blows DC's head off*

Oh, there it is! Yes, I know that the shutdown doohicky on thursday wasn't his fault, but he's a convinient target...:)

I spent most of the week wasting my brain on MechCommander, so I haven't been able to post in the longest time... And I don't really have the time now, so I'll have to make this semi-short.
Which means very long by anyone else's standards...

Sarge><> Hey! :D
Major congratulations appear to be in order! *Pulls open a drawer and retrieves a brightly decorated cake*
Yeah, I know, not as visually impressive as those moving-crew requireing Execution Cakes, but you should see some of the ingridients...;)
Have fun, laddie! You can bet I am! <<Biology101 classs went from an A- to a D+ in two weeks! Luckily I got it back up to a B-....>>

Anne (wierd night) - Uh, I'd be worried if most of your appliences suddenly bit the dust for no apperent reason... Could it have been aliens?
Ooo, Mera just hit the perfect explanation... A Quickening probably took place nearby... I'd be on the lookout for headless bodies if I were you!
Hope you guys figure out what's wrong... :P

Heh... Mera has discovered the fun that can be had with a good prac/tac knife...:) Now, if only Harding U would allow sharps and points in the Dorms...
Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, November 20, 1999 07:20:46 PM
IP: dialup-209.245.233.182.dallas1.level3.net

cherry blossom>> Tell Lexy she has my permission to use the picture as long as it's okay with Christine.

*has spent 3 hours in mall with boys and must lie down now*
Spike
Saturday, November 20, 1999 06:41:03 PM
IP: pppt01-225.ght.iadfw.net

Hey everyone just a quick post for a friend

Spike and Christine (I think it was you two) < Lexy wants to know if she has your permission to use the Aiden character, and a drawing that Spike did. She also said thank you for letting her use it last year.

*shakes her head* you would think taking notes helps, geez, then I just lose the notes! *g*

bye everyone!!
cherry blossom - [Chryblsm15@aol.com]
WI, USA
Saturday, November 20, 1999 06:17:09 PM
IP: abd5a1f1.ipt.aol.com

Anne> I have twp explanations for the TV, one mundane, the other weird. First, TV tubes contain almost a vacuum, so there might have been hairline cracks, and a high pressure system finally killed it (made it implode). I also asked my roomies, and one said that recently a particle physicist was having problems with his computer monitors blowing up. He looked into the problem more, and found that the conditions inside his monitor were such that some of the particles would make his screen explode. Believe what you want.

Warpmind> colors: Yeah, no colors are claimed, but it almost seems like it. You have Mre. Morgan on white, Sev. Jr. and Det. Stoff on red, Xanathar has dark grey, you have yellow, and Green baron and Gunjack use green. I feel like I should take scarlet (RU's colors), but it's not there and too many people use red already.

Registration: I have a slightly different problem than you others. Here we register via touchtone depending on the number of credits, but when it opens 6:30 in the morning, everyone else has been trying it for the past five minutes, and you usually don't get on until around the 20th or so time you dial.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, November 20, 1999 06:10:37 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Jenna (re: Boy Meets World): I don�t know what�s going on this season (it won�t come here for several months yet) but I wouldn�t be too hard on Cory�s dad, Alan (unless you mean Jedidiah? In which case I suspect he has his own axe to grind). I think the series shows that he�s generally a pretty good dad. Also, both parents can empathise with Cory and Topanga because they married young.

Attila: (re: Sunday, November 14, 1999 03:27:12 PM) Yes, of course there were a lot of Jewish victims but it seems worrying to me that it seems to be increasingly the case that the German Holocaust is increasingly seen only as a Jewish massacre. That makes it a lot easier for people to distance themselves from it, if you don�t chuck in all the other minorities that were killed. I wasn�t really comparing the IRA with the Nazis for the way they operate; but I did want to note that the sly, destructive and (for Ireland) suicidal way that the IRA operates is in many ways less noble (and yet more accepted) than the National Socialists.

Green Baron: (re: Chamberlain) Oh, THAT early? I think the hatred that would be extended towards the British for enforcing a ridiculously unfair treaty would echo down to the present day if we did that. (And much of it still does � which is why we should not join Europe IMO). If you want to blame something, blame Versailles. That encouraged a situation where Hitler was allowed to rise to power.

***LAST BUT NOT LEAST� �NOWHERE TO RUN PART ONE�***

When I caught a glance of the title, I knew that producing anything less than a cool story was out. When I scanned down the page to download the pics my jaw was resting on my knee. And when I read it�

�not bad. Demona�s absences are given some nice consequences. Javin was a nice new character and well-developed internally. Iago�s character seemed bang-on except because he�s younger he�s less set in his ambitions. Priming Goliath as the obvious choice for second, and thus evoking jealousy is nice. We also saw glimpses of a load of other characters.

So IMO a good story?

I did start to have a few problems with it. Partly, it took so damn long to get going. It felt empty somehow as a result. Also, the way Javin�s plan slowly grew to encompass a load of character made it seem like a Dark Ages tag-team of characters joining the throng.

Such little niggles are easily overcome by the ending. The drama is truly outstanding here� I love the introduction of Roland to complicate things and thus merit the brilliant title. And the artwork really is absolutely fantastic.

It was nice to see that this episode had more of a spine than many of last season�s Gargs/Pendragon which seemed to work by a web instead. That is to say, here all the plots bore relevance to Javin�s plan in some way and that was used as a basis to draft in a whole load of character development. (As opposed to having a bunch of plots thrown in with equal merit and left to amble around the story).

So basically a solid first half with oodles of excitement left to ferment. Looking forward to part 2!!

8/10

***END OF SPOILERS***
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Saturday, November 20, 1999 03:31:14 PM
IP: webcachew02a.cache.pol.co.uk

Zath>>They are growing Mushrooms? Are you sure the guys are not growing them intentionally...they could be the "Magic" kind

People getting thier chests augmented need to know this little warning

Its hard to buy bra sizes in D cup and its practically impossible to get them strapless. If more women knew this they might as well leave them alone.

POKemon today>> I liked Richie and I hope he and Ash will be goodsportman. I also like they way Richie named his pokemon. my brother loved Zippo the charmander(Zippo lighters) and I was hoping sparky would be voltorb becuase thats what I named my Voltorb. Yeah I have a lot of lame names for my pokemon.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, November 20, 1999 01:34:53 PM
IP: ts002d13.orl-fl.concentric.net

Ehh....exuse all typos for sure....eech...I should do beter next time....

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Saturday, November 20, 1999 01:02:15 PM
IP: spider-wd012.proxy.aol.com

I have had an interesting week. I finnaly got a girlfried.....for the first time....and that caused me to wake up. My Biology101 classs went from an A- to a D+ in two weeks! Luckily I got it back up to a B-....I've been working on a new addition to my web page....the AOL garg clan tribute page for all the old garg fans that Role-played on AOL. I didn't realize how many PEOPLE there were in that........then I finnaly got back to my fan-fics for Beast Wars after a long while...it's taking me a long time....but I've noticed that the longer you take the better the story really is....(i.e. Dylan Blacquiere).....so now I'm doing homework.....I'm suppose to dissect the Book "A Separate Peace" for biblical allusion, and i need to finsih reading "Our Town" for English.
I finnaly made a breakthrough with my art. I found that while spending a long three hours on a good detailed picture of a garg is somewhat easy...I always longed for quick comic art but could never get it right. it wasn't until i got Scott McCloud's "understanding comics" that i understood the meaning of art, comics, and caartoons....best book ever! I suggest you read it if you want to draw....

Zath- Interesting building you live in....:P....myabe you should change the building's name to...."Zath's belive it or not apartment building" maybe you can get some money by making it a sideshow then pay for all the damage yourself. I've been worse places however....in D.C I lived in a house with holes you can look through to the bottom floor, the milk was sour because the refridgerator was never closed, the pipes seemed busted and there were many other problems going on....not to mention the crime going on OUTSIDE the street......

Anne- Maybe your house is haunted..... I dunno....I alwaysed liked the idea of a haunted house. We had a haunting scare at my house too....but it didn't get as bad as yours. We had some things switch places, go disappear. And there was a ghostly figure on the hill that never moved. I called it the nun with a bible because that is what it kinda looked like. I dunno if it was the mist er' not....but we have had a suicide in our neighborhood area and my friends once found bones in the backyard. But now it's gone.

I really wish they gove Gargoyles back to basic cable. I don't have the episode where Angela meets the Loch Ness, the "Vows" episode is screwed up, and I mising one other....I jes' can't think of it right now.....::sigh:: I need cable.......unfortunately...like jeana mentioned(I think ti was her)...you need to mange your money.....so no cable....

Phillsbery Sarge
Excuse all Typos!

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Saturday, November 20, 1999 01:00:29 PM
IP: spider-wd012.proxy.aol.com

Hi, guys...

Zath: *Looks at housing rant.* Oh... My... God... Aren't such living conditions in violation of a half-dozen laws?

Jenna: Well, I know those tips well enough... and I've lived by them for a few years now... I make a mean pizza (Down, boy, down! Good pizza.) and a truly exquisite bowl of noodles. In other words, dorm food...

**JOYRIDE**
Warpmind looks into the room where the others are messing around, and points Green Baron in their general direction.
"Look, buddy, talk to Jack, Pistoff or Xanathar, they're somewhere in the mess. Me, I'm going out to Cthulhu to fix a few things."
Warpmind steps outside and pulls up the electronics he "confiscated" from the storage cabinet, along with a little handbook titled "How to make a time machine from a car and spare parts" from his backpack, then sits down in the back seat of Cthulhu and starts attaching various pieces of circuitry while waiting for the others.
**JOYRIDE END**
Warpmin de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:34:23 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Well, will not be on line very much today, as I will spend the majority of it packing.

Pistoff- <regarding people who do this for a living> LOL, why? Because essentially that is what I do. I work in a mailroom at a major oil and gas company, and many times my job entails trying out how to pack a crystal vase and filling out the proper paperwork for it to be shipped overseas. And it has to get there without a scratch on it. I must say, I do it pretty well :) Amazing how much I'm using what I learned at the job today as I pack our stuff.

Hmm- watched the end of Boy meets world last night. I usually don't watch that show, but last night's ep got to me. It was close to home, because I myself am a newlywed and trying to stuggle to make it right now. I thought the dad was very harsh- I tell you sometimes if it wasn't for both my family and mikes and our beloved friends- I don't know how we would survive. Many times that's how we got rent payed, got to eat, and our wedding itself was almost 100 percent volunetered by friends and family.

The ep also showed how unprepared they were, and I hate to say, some of that is the parents fault- they didn't teach the kids how to survive, just provided for them. There's an old saying, give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. TEach him to fish and he'll never go hungrey.

The young couple had a frightening lack of survial skills that Mike and I are blessed to have. So I just want to share with you all my litte list of skills that were the most useful (and we still use) for a young married couple to survive hard finacial times. It will be long, so bear with me. Hopefully this will help some of the couples in this room if they ever get married. Here we go.

1) Learn to do without.
When you are really hard on money, learn to do without. If you can't afford something, like new clothes, learn to live without them. If you can't see a movie on the first run, see it at the dollar.

2) But allow yourself some fun money. Face it, we all need to have fun or we would go crazy- but insead of 25 dollars, make it 10.

3) learn to have fun at free things.
Go to the liberay, take a walk, write. These activies are relativley cheap, and available.

4) Learn to shop-
Learn where the food is cheapest, and go there. Learn how to shop around and get the most for your money.

5) Learn to cook, and cook well.
Boy I cannot emphasie this enough. If you learn to cook, you can save so much money and usually come up with something better than what you would buy.Plus you are ensured that it will be good food, and not purposely contaminated. It takes time, but its worth it. Get books at the liberary, use spices, and experement. Spices like at Walmart are very cheap, and pretty good. Everyone likes to eat well, and preparing food and eating together can really be a bonding experience.

6) Learn how to fix both your car and home/apt.
Boy again, cannot empasize this enough. Most mechaincs will charge you an arm and a leg to do what you could do yourself for ten dollars (and this is not an exaggeration). And most won't do as good a job as you. Also if you have to take your car to an expert, they will be less able to pull a fast one if you know what your talking about. This is esp . true for women.

Also ladies, learn to change tires, and emergency maintence. YOu don't want to be at the mercy of every guy who offers to help you, sweetie. It's no good being helpless.

As for apt maintance- well , you cannot depend on apt management that much- so learning to do it your self makes for a more reliable household.

7) Pull together not apart- look for strength in eachother. And start thinking of yourself as a unit, rather than two individual people. That goes along way.

8) Learn how to clean- again, can't be over emphasised- I'm not saying you have to be Martha Sweart, but domenstic skills can prove to be very useful. Learn to sew to repair minor damages to cloathing, and keeping your place tidy will cut down on germs.

9) Be inventive. If you can't afford to decorate - find a way to do it anyway. Who said everything has to come from a maufacurer? In my room, I have pics of things that I like that I've cut out- and pillows that I've made.

10) Never lose sight of each other.

11) ladies, respect your partners masculinity. Boy in finacial hardship this in very important. Many men, if they can't provide a martha steward home/ existance for their mate, may feel emasculated. Be aware of this, and confirm his masculity and his role as husband/head of household. (Some feminists will shoot me down for this, but it is very important in my opinon that men feel- well- like men, to be able to function at their best.)

12) Dont be afraid to get your hands dirty or break a sweat.
Never was I so glad to be a tomboy then when i first had to take care of things myself. Again, being helpless doesn't do any good. For either sex. Survial is work, but so is life. That doesn't mean, however, that it has to be a pain all the time.

13) network, network, network
Family and friends are a treasured asset- don't be afraid to call on them in dire need, or just if you need a helping hand. These "clan members" should help you in the hardest times, and you'll do the same for them when it's your turn.

Well, I hope that I haven't gone on too long.
jenna
Saturday, November 20, 1999 11:52:53 AM
IP: ppp-216-62-143-143.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

***** WARNING, RANT/WHINE-FEST AHEAD *****
*Sigh* I'm really starting to get tired of all my apartment's maintenance problems. One of our sink's drainpipes has been leaking ever since we moved in (but someone keeps using it anyway, although no one will admit to it. Twice the maintenance guy has shown up, claimed that he'll be back the next day with the tools/parts to fix it and then forgotten about us) so there is a perpetual wet spot in the outer hall carpet. I think I've already mentioned the several occasions where the guys across the hall made their toilet overflow, but since the last time *MUSHROOMS* have started growing out of the carpet in the hall along their side of the wall. Our oven is broken so no matter what temperature you set it to it'll just keep getting hotter and hotter and hotter. There's something wrong with the electrical sockets in my bedroom and the phone jack in the kitchen so even the slightest touch to the cord will cause the plug to fall out (I ended up having to push my bed against the socket so my alarm clock would stay plugged in through the night). I think the wiring in the kitchen is starting to go bad because when I turn on the light is flickers and takes almost a minute to reach full brightness as if it's an old fluorescent tube, but it's a regular light bulb! And then last night, I was checking my e-mail just before leaving to do some research at the library (all hail 24-hour Leavey library, the savior of procrastinating students) when I heard a dripping sound. I thought someone hadn't completely shut off one of the faucets in the bathroom, so I got up to turn it off only to discover that it was the smoke detector in the hall ceiling that was dripping. Then, as I tried to find a bowl or something to catch the water, the alarm started going off. Apparently it's a water detector as well as a smoke detector >: ( Anyway, I went to get the hall's RA, but he wasn't home, so I went to get the other two RA's on the floor, but neither of them were home either. I went upstairs and didn't get any RA's there either. Fortunately, one of the upper floor's RA's roommate was home and gave me the number for the RA who was *Supposed* to be on duty at the time. Unfortunately, when I called I just got his answering machine and when I paged him he never called. Finally (by this time the alarm had stopped going off. Either the battery went dead or the water destroyed the detection mechanism, I'm not sure which) I got ahold of maintenance and they said the apartment above us had an overflowing toilet and they'd be right over to fix it. I told them that was impossible because I had just been in the apartment above us because that had been exactly what I had suspected, but nothing was wrong there. It turns out it was actually the toilet in the apartment 2 floors above us and the water was somehow bypassing the apartment on the floor between and only going into ours. I finally gave up trying to get anything done because I had already wasted over an hour and a half and the rest of the people in the apartment didn't seem to care about the problem once we got a bowl to catch the falling water. I then went and spent the rest of the night and most of the morning (with no nap breaks) in the library. As far as I know, the maintenance guy never showed up, as usual. **grrr** In a way it's ironic because when we first moved in, someone asked about the strange yellow marks on the ceiling (which turned out to be glow-in-the-dark paint), I joked that it was urine, and everyone commented on how weird I was for thinking of something like that. Now we really do have urine stains on our ceiling. Everyone keeps claiming the building is going to be renovated this summer, but I'm becoming more and more of the opinion that they should just torch the place (to save the time/cash of using a bulldozer and get some insurance money in the process) and start over from the ground up.
***** END RANT/WHINE-FEST *****

Happy Birthday to ironwolf, Pistoff, Jannie, and whoever else I happened to miss! : )

Pistoff> <<Well, a critical phone line went down in Cottage Grove, and long-distance service for the entire Oregon coast was cut off since about 1 PM, and was just now fixed at sometime around 11 PM>> How on earth do you get all the calls for that many people being routed through a single phone line!?! Is Pacific Bell or whoever was responsible insane (in the bad way)!?! <<That book doesn't come in a plain brown wrapper, does it?>> I'd feel even better if it came encased in lead... <<Beak is Beautiful.>> That could make an interesting bumper sticker or t-shirt <<we used to have a paper mill that...aaauuuugh! Y'know that smell when somebody eats a lot of boiled eggs and then farts alot?>> I know it all too well. I used to live in a place that had a paper mill/newspaper recycling plant right *IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN*!! The stench was especially bad in the early mornings and evenings when the air was still and humid, trapping it all in the area instead of letting it dissipate. <> Oh yeah! She had that wide-eyed "oh $#!+" look that I never knew a feline face was capable of making. : ) <<Just because of what we look like, people expect us to steal their stuff or beat 'em up or something.>> I suppose it would be better to look like someone people should be afraid of rather than seeming like an easy mark, at least as far as safety is concerned. <<some of these ultra-skinny people might break like cheap glass... ;)>> or stab you with a collarbone...

Wilek> <<My Heart Will Go On? Never heard it>> *high, whiny British voice* You lucky b******, you lucky, lucky b******...

Green Baron> <<Dante's Inferno had suicide a worse sin than murder>> Actually, didn't Dante stick Judas down in the lowest ring with Brutus and Cassius because all three comitted "the ultimate betrayal" or something like that? Or am I way off on this one?

Aaron> <<Curious George and the High-Voltage Fence>> That reminds me of that t-shirt I've seen sold in various places that has Curious George holding a glass stopper in his hand and lying on his back, unconscious next to an open bottle of ether. <<The Pop-Up Book of Human Anatomy>> I've actually seen this one in stores, but it probably skipped the anatomy parents might object to.

Green Baron> <<Maybe have Attila captured by Ted Turner and forced to read fanfic, with a few otehr unfortunates>> Attila, Kitty, Mist, and Fang starring in Mystery Feline Theater 3000 : )

Christine> <<some unsettling Ouija board experiences>> I've never even had any of those, because the few times I've ever touched an Ouija board I was always the one *causing* the unsettling experences for everyone else >: ) I know, it's mean, but it was just so much fun messing with the heads of girls who believed a piece of cardboard manufactured by Parker Bros. could contact spirits who knew the future. This also reminds me of one of the first stories I ever read on the net way back before I discovered fanfic. It was about a group of roommates whose cat gets hit by a car, limps into the kitchen, and dies under the table. They get into a big argument because no one wants to be the one to have to dispose of the body. Eventually, they build an Ouija board out of things they have lying around to try to contact the cat and get its opinion on the matter. They actually reach the cat's spirit only to discover it's illiterate so it can't communicate with them. The story ends with them all moving out and going their separate ways shortly thereafter because they didn't know how to send away the cat's spirit so it decided to hang around and haunt the apartment, leaving phantom puddles of spilled milk and floating mice. And guess what... the cat's name was Jericho : ) I actually still have a copy printed out and lying around somewhere in my bedroom in Pennsylvania. <<But I am very much looking forward to The Green Mile>> I get to go to a screening of it on Tuesday, but it's been so long since I read the story (and reading it broken up as each part came out didn't help) that I'm not sure I remember enough to make much of a judgment about how close the movie is to the original.

Spacebabie> <<My brother once recieved the Transformers 3 mode Base that transfromed into a battlestation and then in a huge robot, there were other two robots two. one changed into the Staruions head and the other one became the head's head>> I have that one (in my closet in PA). Unfortunately, shortly after I got it, I lost the head's head, but seeing as how I rarely used toys for their intended purposes that didn't keep me from having a lot of fun with it. Strangely, I also had a lot of fun with the giant chunk of Styrofoam it was packed in, which made an excellent castle/fort/base for battle beasts. : ) <> I really wish I could say that. They mailed out cards *months* ago telling everyone the date they could register on (the system can only handle so many people at a time, so registration is spread out over a couple of weeks) but they sent it so long ago that it has long since disappeared never to be seen again, so for all I know I could have registered a week ago (as if I had time) or I might not be able to do it until right before I leave for Thanksgiving in Michigan. I tired to find out from the web site, but it claimed the computer wasn't responding. Oh well, however it turns out, at least I won't have to do it while under anesthetic and bleeding out the mouth like last time.

Jannie> <<It's just a shame that manufactures choose to ignore that the average american woman is a size 14 or 16>> I agree. I hate seeing so called "plus sized models" who still look like they're just this side of passing out from malnutrition. Every once in a while I'll see one who looks like she's of a reasonably average weight, but I think calling these people plus sized only enforces the idea that someone needs to be skinnier than that if they don't want to be thought of as overweight. >: ( <<once the bird dog was barking in the backyard and wouldn't shut-up. She broke all four of it's legs with her cane.>> Where's divine justice in the form of Karma based reincarnation when you need it?

jewel> <<Or maybe even Keanu Reeves (although I am in mortal terror of the thought of him trying the accent), because his default state is "Huh? Wha?" and that would be perfect for RIchard>> Since you put it that way, he might make a tolerable Arthur Dent once he gets a little older. Now all we need is someone to play Ford. : ) <> That sounds interesting. What's the title? <<It also didn't undestand the line to change the link colors. Bleh. I double-checked my code, thinking maybe I was a doofus and got the colors mixed up, and no, I was right>> Uh-oh, this doesn't bode well for the major update/overhaul I had been planning to do to my site as soon as I got enough new stuff to do a major update/overhaul with... Why must Yahoo corrupt everything it touches?

ironwolf> <<casting for the new Dragon Riders of Pern tv series is this month>> Oh really, where? I'm no actor, but it might be an interesting way to waste a weekend. When the shoe airs, I hope they make cute firelizard plushies. : )

Heather> <<It seemed to be that what you guys talk about it sometimes way over my head.>> I think everyone feels a little like that from time to time. Please don't leave. Just do what I do and skip the parts you don't care about (in my case, most of the political stuff) and try to start discussions on topics that interest you. Our little community here wouldn't be the same if you left...

Robby> <<me and Heather have been dating for exactly 11 months as of yesterday>> Aaaaaaawww... : ) <<Titanic- Eh, it would have been better had it focused on the band I think... Those guys were cool>> I agree. That last scene with them starting to walk away then coming back to play one last song was the only part of the whole movie that made me feel for any of the characters.

Todd Jensen> <> I always thought that was mostly just about his weight, but I could be wrong.

Coyote> <<Naga's laugh ... it *is* pretty grating>> Is it worse than Hyena's?

Anne> << the TV EXPLODED--literally, it blew up in a bunch of pieces. Wanna know the really scary thing? It wasn't plugged in. How the #!*% can a TV explode if it _isn't_ even _plugged in_? My sister got paranoid about it and started talking about ghosts and finally I had to cup her mouth when she wouldn't be quiet. And then, later this morning, every light bulb in the house cracked. The night before that our heater broke down>> Wow, and I thought my place was bad. At least most of my problems are explainable.

Wow, I guess I should go to bed now. I sepnt longer on these replies than I meant to, and since I didn't even start until after 3am I ended up staying up all night (for the second time in a row) in the process. If I had known I was going to be doing that, I would have gone and hung out with all the nutballs/diehard USC fans staying up all night to guard the statue of Tommy Trojan before tomorrow's (actually, I guess now it's today's) game against UCLA. Oh well, good night and/or good morning everyone. It's long past dawn, and I'm now going to get some much-needed sleep.

**Zath turns and starts walking out of the room, but turns to stone with one foot in the air before reaching the door.**

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 09:59:24 AM
IP: ppp-229-236.usc.edu

Yabaday, I'm back! (And a whole lot crazier than last time, it seems.)

David G.: Yup, Desire and Drift are the same person. The Translator obviously is none too fond of his life... I feel a Joyride coming...

Aaron: Okay, just a misread from my side... I need new glasses, I guess... and I can relate to that skinny stuff... one thing is being skinny, but being both short AND skinny, now that can be tough on people with weak spirits... I was the only seventh-grader back home who had the physique of a first-grader... I was lucky; I grew stronger from it...

Pistoff: The book Christine referred to, where the hermaphrodite impregnated him/herself... that was the real McCoy. There was some REAL freaky business in that book... I recommend it. I recommend it cheerfully. As I do all the Koontz books... And as for the supernatural stuff, well... there's the concept of belief... if you believe, something just might happen, but if you don't... not a chance. As fo Tales from the Far End of the Dark Side... YEEHAA! Go get'em, boy!

Maeve singing Jigglypuff: Okay, I never heard that song... I guess I'm lucky...

Mara: Your cloning question: Maybe Elisa's clone would be identical to Elisa, maybe she's have different coloring... I'll personally believe she'd be identical in all physical aspects; there are still largely uncharted areas of the DNA, of humans and gargoyles alike...

As for the "caught sleeping"-situation: I usually respond that "I'm trying to focus all my mental energies into causing a heart-attack in any person who disturbs me... I obviously need some more practice."

Coyote: The job has been started... I am MiSTing like a madman... um, you know what I mean... I already got WCCBravo, and I've already gotten a fair bit into it.

Jewel: I know your feelings toward Geoshitties... I had the same problem when I cancelled my account this summer, and moved to Xoom... and I STILL get harped by Yahoo about my password and account there running... I can't shut the f*cker down...

The Gargoyles sliding from verse to verse... I can imagine mine:
"We're in Warpmind's universe now, it seems."
"Hm. Better keep Lex away from that catwoman, then."
"Hey, don't talk like that. He himself doesn't have a clue, remember?"
I guess I ought to let poor Lexington figure it out soon... Manxine is constantly hounding me about it...

Pistoff: You're officially signed up... we've got three MiSTers... WE NEED MORE, FOLKS!

Mandolin: Keep the MiST offer open for someone else, since I've already picked one for now... have a word with Pissy about it, maybe? I must say, I liked those two standalone fics, by the way. Very nice. And such fun to see Demona and MacBeth on peaceful terms for once...

Gside: No colors are "claimed". We take what we approve of... we may even swap colors according to mood here!

Mara: You DID get that text I sent you, right?

*Looks at Wilek's comment about the sliding into the Wilekverse.* Ooh-kay... I gotta get to read that series, too... I read very few fanseries, but those I read, I read thoroughly... Christine's, Spike's, TGS... I guess Wilek is next to be properly added...

Anne: You don't think that your fanfic writing and the weirdness in the house are related somehow? ;) After all, it requires quite a build-up of mental energy to finish your first fanfic...

Well, that's about it for now, so 'll check back later.

Until the, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, November 20, 1999 09:35:05 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi all!!

*Xanathar walks into the CR and inserts a chainsaw up DC's rectum*
That's for last nights server troubles.

Jannie/SOROW:HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Aaron re Children's Books That Just Didn't Make It>>*ROTFLMAO*:)

Heather:DON'T LEAVE!!!!:(

Wilek:I hear they're working on a Unicron figure that will be a limited release in Japan. <sigh> >>*Drools*,who do I have to kill to obtain one of these :)

I gotta go Guy's,C'ya later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Saturday, November 20, 1999 06:45:22 AM
IP: 139.134.27.66

Transformers eh? I had Windcharger, all five dinobots, the targetmaster seacons, crosshairs, mindwipe, skullcruncher, scorponok,submarauder, optimus prime, cliffjumper, all 6 constructicons, divebomb, headstrong, tantrum, cindersaur, all three monsterbots, rippersnapper, shockwave, omega supreme (who I exchanged for shockwave) hot rod, quickswitch, blurr, wreck-gar, all three insecticons, punch-counterpunch,brainstorm, astrotrain, springer, gnaw (sharkticon), frenzy, ratbat, warpath, cosmos and that's all I can think of for now, but later on I got into beast wars, and I've got Noctorro, quickstrike, Silverbolt, Transmetal Optimus primal, T2 and repaint dinobot, T2 Cheetor, T2 Blackarachnia, Tigerhawk, T2 Megs, transmetal tarantulus, Rampage and Tripredacus
shogun raptor
Saturday, November 20, 1999 03:14:00 AM
IP: miami-trans3.firn.edu

Pistoff: <Besides, I'd be VERY nervous if I were sitting next to a pervert with a raging hard-on... O_O >
ROFL!
"Hey... WTF are you doing? WHAT THE... GET THE F%$& AWAY FROM ME! NO! I AM A GUY, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! NO!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
Your "Cure": Oh man... THAT is funny!

Boy meets world: THEIR LIVES ARE MISERABLE!
<Happy dance! Happy dance!>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 02:22:11 AM
IP: t2-3.visitus.net

Hi everybody!!!:}

Some of the weirdest things that ever happened in my life happened the last few nights :( When I last posted here I signed out and then went to go watch Dusk Till Dawn 3. But the VCR ate the film up and we couldn't get the tape out. Later that night, when we were all asleep, the TV EXPLODED--literally, it blew up in a bunch of pieces. Wanna know the really scary thing? It wasn't plugged in. How the #!*% can a TV explode if it _isn't_ even _plugged in_? My sister got paranoid about it and started talking about ghosts and finally I had to cup her mouth when she wouldn't be quiet. And then, later this morning, every light bulb in the house cracked. The night before that our heater broke down. And my sister keeps saying, "The dolls are alive!" Oh god, I don't know how much I can take--I don't mean to be a whiner, but my sister's ramblings are really starting to get to me. Oh yeah, the CR was down all night too! Gull, the next thing that happens will probably involve the garage door or something *zips lips and prays that nothing more happens*. But that's just the bad stuff. The good stuff is that I've finished with my first fanfic and just need to put the final touches on it. I hope I can download it right! *crosses fingers*

Pistoff> Thank-you for your compliments:) Now that I've much more thought about it, I don't really know who would make a good second-in-command if we adopted gargoyle customs. My Uncle And is great for leader, but Second? My mom's side of the family is pretty dysfunctional, and my dad's side is more brains then muscles but not in the Second's required terms. Second needs brains but not the kind my dad's side has. Well, adults anyway. My eldest cousin, Uncle And's son, would make a great Second when he turns sixteen years old (he's going to be turning fifteen in a few months). My mom's side lives in California, and my dad's side lives really closeby to us, so I know them better. When I was younger I used to always hang out with Uncle And's son, Matt, because I was born second eldest cousin, first girl cousin, and Matt and I used to endlessly play together. And then my third cousin, also a boy, gets born and I guess my childhood centered around the two of them. Then the girl cousins were born, two of them, and they were always trying to make me play with them but they were too much into the "girl-thang", like the beauty rant we're still talking about. I am kinda wary between a tom-boy and a "modern lady" as my grandma says. After my two girl cousins were born, my little sister came, and after her was my adorable little cousin who is somewhat of a wildcat when wrestling. But anyway, I hope work gets better for ya and if I ever find time I'll check out your stupid customers page. Now _that_ sounds fun! :)

Oh yeah, before I forget: everybody with recent birthdays, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!:) or HAPPY HATCHDAY!!!:)

Jenna> Sleepy Hollow was an okay movie. I've never read the book but I've decided to read it as an up-coming reading assignment (I like reading so this is good). I'll kind of admit that the ending's special effects look too much like computer graphics, and the romance sounds kind of corny, but it does leave you feeling some emotions at the end. =)

Green Baron> I'm going to post my first fic later tonight or else tomorrow, depending on how many typos I've made. Where can I find your fic? Sounds really interesting! ^_^

Jeez, wish I could go to the Gathering '99, but my parents like gargoyles but aren't die-hard fanatics. Someday I'll cruise to a Gathering in my future-car, but until then, it'll be all fanfic for me.

My sister and I were attempting to draw characters from the show and TGS. She made a not half bad Ari and a brown version of Graeme. I don't know where my drawings stand but I think they look similar enough to be gargoyle-identifiable.

Well, see you all later! Bye!^_^

Anne
MN, USA
Saturday, November 20, 1999 01:54:48 AM
IP: 204-246-241-136.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Pistoff> *hugs* I'm just teasing with you! ;) You are one of the most sweetest guys I know and I know that you don't obsess nor fixate on the "physical attributes" of a woman - you would never be that shallow!
Between you and Denis - I feel like the most beautiful woman that has ever walked on this Earth! (because ya'll don't judge by appearances) love ya, bud! *bear hug*
Jannie
Saturday, November 20, 1999 01:52:42 AM
IP: 196-117.c.esc4.net

Ooo... comfy... :)

Change in plans, people! Instead of Mera getting here saturday night, she's sitting next to me right now.

I was planning on writing more, but she's currently shutting down my brain... wicked females!

Anyway, see y'all in tommorow... or next week... I'm not sure when I'm gonna have time to post again.

*Valentine swithes on his chameleon gear, and disappears from sight... except for a goofy grin that hangs in the air like the cheshire cat's smile*

:D
Valentine & Mera - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 01:50:24 AM
IP: dialup-209.244.93.11.dallas1.level3.net

[Wilek storms into the CR ready to pulp Mr. Disconnect, until reading the messages in the main CR about the downtime being due to a server move.] Hm.

BATMAN AND ALIEN FANS TAKE NOTICE> I saw something of interest today at Waldenbooks: a Batman/Alien crossover comic. Fun stuff...

T.J. Veil> <<Titanic 2 - Oh no, not another three hours of utter drek.>> Heh...you missed my first post of the week with my creativity spawn, didn't you. ;) Although I agree, the first Titanic stunk.

Xanathar> <<I had Optimus Prime,Starscream,Metroplex,Jetfire(called skyfire on the show for some reason),Ramjet,Wheeljack,Soundwave and two tapes Buzzsaw and Ravage,Bumblebee,Sunstreaker,Sideswipe,all of the Aerialbots,all of the Combaticons,Bombshell(Insecticon),Brawn,Jazz,Sludge(Dinobot),Powerglide...>> :O <bows before thee in reverent worship> <> Ohhh, do I. That thing was so darn kewl. Right off the top of my head I can think of a *lot* of stuff back in the '80s that I would have gotten if I'd known how kewl it was. <sigh> Great, now I'm all nostalgic. :P If I ever discover time travel, my first use of it will be an '80s shopping spree. ;) <<Do you remember which ones you had?>> Um...I still have them, actually, although one or two are lost somewhere in some alternate dimension that a lot of my stuff seems to fall into for no apparent reason. :P Let's see...Ultra Magnus, the Seacons, an Enginemasters version of Optimus Prime, a Headmasters thingie that looked like a critter from Alien, Galvatron (one whole one and bits of another; no I don't know why), Rodimus Prime, a whole mess of little micro machine transformer plane thingoids, an Enginemasters missile carrier that changes into a robot or a vulture depending on which engine it has in it, a Decepticon sixchanger, a couple tapes that merge into one robot, a blue car that changes into both an Autobot and a Decepticon, and I can't remember any of the others. :) I hear they're working on a Unicron figure that will be a limited release in Japan. <sigh>

Everyone else who just had birthdays> Eesh, there are so many this month it's hard to keep track! :P In any case, happy birthday! :D

Aaron> <<The Man in the Moon is Actually Satan>> <gasp> It explains everything...

Green Baron> <<Beelzebub was the Assyrian god of Flies>> I have to wonder what kind of twisted office prank would put someone in charge of *flies*. I can just picture the other gods: "Hey, which poor sap are we gonna stick with the fly department?" "Give it to Beelzebub; he's a mook anyhow. <snicker> Tell him flies are important to the survival of humanity or something; he's dumb enough to believe it." :P

Jannie> <<She was a very mean woman - once the bird dog was barking in the backyard and wouldn't shut-up. She broke all four of it's legs with her cane. O.o>> Dear...gads...Maybe I should have her resurrected just so the ASPCA can go medieval on her revenant buttocks. :P

Pistoff> <<Anyway, you'll need a small bottle of water for this, like a squeeze bottle of Evian or something. When a guy is looking at porn stuff on a school computer, silently walk up behind him, then start making smacking sounds, grunt "Oh YEAH!" and then spurt some of the water on the back of the pervo's neck. When he spins around, turn around and pretend to zip up your pants... ;)>> :O That...is just...evil. <applauds> Stupid Customers> Oi...such idiotic people...there are no words. <shudder> <<"Uh-oh, we're in the Pissyverse now." "Brooklyn would like it here. He actually got laid in this one...">> Heh heh heh. I can just see the sliders arriving in my universe... ["I think it's the Wilekverse." "This one looks pretty normal for once..." Forfexx strolls by, trailing someone's intestines from his claws. "Oh...dear...*gods*...<choke>" "<looks up> Please tell me that wasn't a TIE fighter I just saw overhead?" Someone else runs by, being chased by a xenomorph. "SOMEBODY GET US THE <censored> OUTTA HERE!!!!"] >8) <<Oooohhhhh! Thanks for the nifty cattle prod! I'll put it to use right away! >8D>> You're welcome, friend! :D

Heather> Welcome back! :D We'd been wondering where you'd gone off to. ^_^ <<Another reason I haven't been here is because... I don't know what to comment about. It seemed to be that what you guys talk about it sometimes way over my head. *sighs** If you guys want me gone, I'll go.>> Want you gone? Whatever for?! You're always welcome here! :)

Robby> <<Who is John Galt? Anyone know?>> Um...there are search results at http://www.egosurf.com/e.cgi?tx=John+Galt&ty=na although I have no idea which one you're looking for...

Coyote> <<I've tried both subbed *and* dubbed. And the reason I chose the dubs over the subs was because (shock of shocks) there was actually *more* content in the dubs than there was in the subs!>> Glad to see I'm not the only one who prefers dubbed anime. :)

Jewel> <<Geocitites sucks big hairy monkey balls!!!!>> Thank you EVER so blasted much for *that* lovely image. :P j/k Yeah, GeoCities is pretty awful; even if it weren't for the whole copyright thing, I probably would have bailed out sooner or later.
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, November 20, 1999 01:42:31 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Coyote> I've been making a copy of the "home" video that I took at Gathering '99 for Pistoff.... were you in the costume contest thingy too? If so, what did you wear? Also, do you wear glasses? I think I have a real good (but too quick) footage of you in the foyer before dinner was served :)

Nightwalker> yes and thank you and everyone else who wished me a happy birthday! It was truly appreciated!! :)

Pistoff> *tries to maintain a straight face* you are not obsessed with large breasts? ummm... okie dokie *exaggerated wink* *LOL* ;D
Jannie
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:50:08 AM
IP: 196-117.c.esc4.net

Che ches:There are some, however, that are so big that they probably cause back problems. And I'd be worried about getting suffocated by them

*badly dubbed citizen's of Tokyo watch in amazement as two gargantuan flesh-colored ... *things* go on a rampage, unable to tell what sort of monster it is they're so big*

(in a godzilla like song) Pa-me-la... Pa-me-la...

*mothra comes to help the poor people of the city against this latest threat, but falls victim to the power of the bosom!*

Hee hee... sorry about that. Been drinking iced tea after midnight again...

Mara: Good points about Brooklyn. Personally, I do think he's cute, for a guy.

Well, he'd be horrendous as a girl.. ;)

That's probably why I have the hots for Ari (the adult version in
Vaccum Riders, not the TGS version...just wanna make sure I cover my ass
on that one. *g*). As I said earlier, Beak is Better. ;)
(paraphrasing from Cheyne's Taboo)

Demona:(on the phone) If you really are Brooklyn, tell me what's my favorite thing about you *giggle*
Brooklyn:: My beak... you love my beak...

Anyway...yeah,
Brooklyn's attitude and overall personality make him areally
interesting guy, and now that I think about it, I think his looks and his personality somehow complement each other perfectly.

Yup yup yup...

Even Antonio Banderas is in danger of being usurped by the power of Fanfic Brooklyn, you know.

And great job on the MiSTS, by the way! You have a natural talent for that, and the characterizations of Joel and the Bots are absolutely dead-on. :)

Gracious. Althouh i've been concentrating on doing Demona's redemption, the guys will get a MiST out soon, doing Warpie's (going to stay unnamed!) fic.

Hey Pissy... send me your pic, i wanna know what "intimidating" is suppose ta mean!

Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:45:38 AM
IP: spider-we013.proxy.aol.com

...
Anonymous
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:42:33 AM
IP: proxy-1.cbn.net.id

Oops! Knew I'd forget something.... Warpmind, click my name to go to my fanfic page.
Mandolin
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:20:23 AM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Coyote: If you find it interesting that I am a bando, you may find it strange that I have been called Coyote in the past. (Though not in band)

Mr. Jensen: thanks for the Dingo info, but there is no real old man in denial, as Falstaff is. Wolf may be active for his age, but he actually has his health.

Mandolin: As engineers, we here make fun of english majors, but then we also quote our physics and statics(sigma F=0, sigma M=0) professors for fun.

BTW, what text colors have not been claimed?
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:16:00 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Hey everyone

You know what , Let's just start everything over again. I've been gone and then back and then gone and then back again. So much has happened , but now things are slowing down. Chris is gone, the webtv isn't shutting itself off[although it now takes forever to load], and pretty much everything else is at a standstill. So tomorrow I'll come in the room and I want everyone to pretend that I was on a long vacation........wait , no , I was on a long battle with MR. DC and finally he is dead. I hope I didn't miss much in the RPG , but just in case could someone fill me in on what has happened in the last month? I'd really appreciate it. I hope no one is mad that I haven't been here. I apologize to all of you. So tomorrow I'll start anew.

I'll leave it at that , and I'll have a super-long post tomorrow.

Oh , and Happy B day to Pistoff and Jannie, I got it right didn't I?

Well , Goodnight my rookery brothers and sisters. I hope that this never happends again.

Night walker - [Goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:11:36 AM
IP: proxy-513.public.rwc.webtv.net

Knew I forgot something ...

Aaron: You have my permission to use my ficverse if you go through with your "Sliders" idea. **pictures a scene ...**

"Hm ... appears to be the Rokkanverse."

"Why do I think I've been here before?"

"You probably have."
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:06:02 AM
IP: modem58.i-is.com

Oops, forgot something again...

Thanks to everybody who wished me a happy birthday! 8D
Pis
Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:02:38 AM
IP: wire-18.koalas.com

Okay. I have now been given reason to seriously join the crusade to get our editor booted. Before, I tried to cut her some slack, she was new at this... but today was the last straw. After the hell she put me through, I'm done being the peacemaker. All the suggestions I've gotten have become extremely tempting. :)

But I've had some sugar, IMmed Dave, and watched a surprisingly funny ep of N&A (it was fluff, yes, but good fluff), and I'm better now.

Rodlox> *sigh* Timedancer will come out when we get to it. I'm working on something pertaining to that as fast as I can.

Robby> <<Who is John Galt? Anyone know? >> Um... a Scottish novelist whose works popped up in the early nineteenth century. Moved to Canada, wrote Scottish country novels and a biography of Lord Byron. Why do you ask? :)

(See, an English major's good for something.)

Heather> GONE?? Why on earth would we want you gone? Welcome back and don't run off like that!

Warpmind> Hello! I did say you're welcome to MiST some of my stuff... well, some pieces are off limits, but you can ask... Click my name to go to my fanfic page.

Coyote, Stephen> Aw, geez... **blushes bright red** Stop it, you're embarrassing me! But I appreciate hearing that. I'll take what you said to heart. :)

Pistoff, Jannie> Happy birthday!

Well, I'll get to my usual TV watching.

**N&A SPOILERS!**

Okay, okay, this episode was definitely fluff... but it was good, enjoyable, entertaining fluff. The explanation for the entire insane setup wasn't as far-fetched as I thought it would be, although it was a bit off for the curator to let Roger walk off handcuffed to that priceless treasure. And after the hard-ass act he's put on, the doc seemed shockingly lenient this time out. But despite all that, the episode didn't disappoint. I was laughing my head off almost the entire time. 9/10 - yes, it was silly, but I enjoyed every minute of it.

**END SPOILERS!**

All right. Must go do work now. :)
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:54:17 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Well, here I am, still playing catch-up...

Green Baron: <> Oh, I'm not offended. All things considered, I'd prefer to be intimidating rather than one of the Beautiful People. *g* <<Pick a scout. :)>> O_O Huh? That one sailed over my head. ;) <<The treatment I got from other children made me enjoy movies like Nightmare on Elm Street, since I pictured Freddy getting those kids who teased me :)>> Ah yeah, that's a good way to look at it. I like playing Duke Nukem for similar reasons. I just pretend the aliens are actually people who have gone out of their way to piss me off. As Duke would say..."Bitchin'!!!" :D

Rude Furbies: Hmm...if we could get these together with the Humpin' Action Pikachu, we might really be onto something... ;)

Aaron: <<Just thought I'd mention this. The Pizza Hut I go to just took out their jukebox, saying they were "Tired of listening to Livin' La Vida Loca six times a night.">> ROTFLMAO!! That's the same reason I wanna take the radio at my Pizza Hut, haul it out somewhere and shoot it. :) And the children's books...ROTFLMAO!! Oh, and I've been wanting to say, about your fic idea of having characters "sliding" from ficverse to ficverse, I love it! Feel free to use my ficverse for this. :) Hmm..that's giving me ideas already...

"Uh-oh, we're in the Pissyverse now."

"Brooklyn would like it here. He actually got laid in this one..."

Tee hee hee...

Mandolin: ACK! Sorry about your work troubles. Your boss sounds a lot like one I used to have--she'd just go out and sleep in her truck, leaving me in charge even though I wasn't a certified shift manager, or sometimes she'd take off, go home and putter around the house or something...eesh! But that's nothing compared to what you went through. Here's hoping that never happens again.

Stephen: Good luck with your story! We've all got our fingers crossed for ya. :)

Doug: <<One thing I've unfortunately found true about beautiful people that you may have forgot to mention is that they generally develop a snotty attitude due to their looks.>> Yeah, I've noticed that, and you're right, I forgot to add that to the rant. In fact, you can see that in the arrogant expression of every "supermodel" who walks out on that runway. They always have that same looking-down-their-nose-at-everybody look. People like that, I immediately take 'em down a few notches. It's a reflex. If there's one thing I can NOT stand, it's people who have a superiority complex. I'm glad the people in here know better than that. :)

Garbage Pail Kids: Oh, $h!t, I remember those. Several of the proto-criminals I went to school with delighted in showing me the one called Dead Fred... :/

Zath: <<You could always go to some of those adult garg sites, make sure he sees the pictures, and try to freak him out enough that he goes and sits next to someone else (or it'll get him interested in Gargoyles, either way, you win) >: )>> Hey, that's not a bad idea... *g*

Jenna: Packing--oh, do I know how you feel! I've probably moved 20 times in the past ten years or so. It sucks! And the really disturbing thing--there are people who move furniture and stuff for a living!! Must be a chemical imbalance of some kind... ;)

Mara: Good points about Brooklyn. Personally, I do think he's cute, for a guy. That's probably why I have the hots for Ari (the adult version in Vaccum Riders, not the TGS version...just wanna make sure I cover my ass on that one. *g*). As I said earlier, Beak is Better. ;) Anyway...yeah, Brooklyn's attitude and overall personality make him a really interesting guy, and now that I think about it, I think his looks and his personality somehow complement each other perfectly. And great job on the MiSTS, by the way! You have a natural talent for that, and the characterizations of Joel and the Bots are absolutely dead-on. :)

Delphi: <<any special bday requests???>> Hmmm...well, none that I can print in here without getting in serious trouble. *g* As for my email addy, it'll remain as it is now, for the time being.

SOROW: Awwwww, thanks! You're so sweet. :) Somebody mentioned that you had a birthday too, so HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! So...who gets to spank the CR Spanker? *g*

Jessie: Congrats to you and your aunt! That really is amazing, and wonderful that she finally had a baby after all this time. :D

Warp: <<Funny, I kinda imagined you to have more like hatched or something... ;)>> LMAO!! Well, my birth is one of the _few_ things about me that's normal. ;) About MiSTing fics--yeah, I know it's all in good fun. Thing is, it's not easy to have somebody making fun of your stories after you've put so much time and effort into their creation. But as I said, we should do things that make us feel uncomfortable now and then, just to keep us on our toes. ;) So I'm willing to give it a shot. Also, I'd be nervous about MiSTing somebody else's work for the same reasons--what if I did something that pissed the author off? But I'll give it a try and see what happens. Might be fun. :) Is there one of my fics in particular that you or somebody else would like to take a shot at, or should I just toss one out?

Wilek: Oooohhhhh! Thanks for the nifty cattle prod! I'll put it to use right away! >8D

Heather: No, we don't want you to leave! Whatever gave you that idea?

Spacebabie: yep, I have a stupid customers page. It's on my site now. I put it on my name link in my last post, and I'll put it on this one, too. :)

Delphi: Ah, well, I just thought I'd check. heheheh...anyway, it was an elegant solution to the problem. ^_^

jewel: Heh, I'm not that fixated on breasts. As I've said earlier, Sigourney Weaver barely has any breasts at all, yet I think she's one of the hottest ladies on the face of the earth. ;) However, I have nothing against big breasts, either. :D There are some, however, that are so big that they probably cause back problems. And I'd be worried about getting suffocated by them. ;) But yeah, I bet it's a hoot, getting those guys in their hotrod cars to almost crash. I'd pay good money to see that happen. *g* And I agree that it can be fun to play with people's minds, and in ultra-conservative places, it's so easy. All I have to do is walk down the street in my trenchcoat, and people think I'm gonna pull out a pair of Uzis and go Chow Yun-Fat on 'em. Even when I'm carrying a delivery bag and wearing my Pizza Hut hat and uniform, people act as if they think I've got a shotgun where the pizza is... *rolls eyes* But sometimes I like to mess with people. If they stare at me too much, I just slip my right hand into my trenchcoat pocket. That's all it takes. People run like hell. *g* Of course, sometimes it backfires...such as when a police car is driving by.... O_o

"Have you ever tried reading the Bill of Rights to a cop?" --Jello Biafra
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:48:13 PM
IP: wire-18.koalas.com

ummm.....is the TIMEDANCER going to be updated anytime?? just wondering. {i'm gettting off now - if there's a reply, please email me - politely!}.
Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
N/A, n/a, n/a
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:19:22 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

I agree about Naga's laugh ... it *is* pretty grating, I have the subbed
edition of the Slayers feature and I cringe every time she laughs. ;)

Hee hee... go get SlayersGREAT. it has a golem Naga (whose boobs jiggle) and PicoPico Lina golem (whose feet makes cute pico pico sounds) It's like MTV's battle of the weird i swear!

Oh hohohohohoho

as for first series dub having mroe scens i wouldnt know, i still havent gotten up to Kopi Rezo yet. (although dubbed zlegadiss is so HOT!)

Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:01:22 PM
IP: spider-we013.proxy.aol.com

Warning! Rant!!

Geocitites sucks big hairy monkey balls!!!! Arrrrrrg! I was just doing regular maintenace on the myriad of pages I have floating around, and realized I hadn't uploaded my lst two stories onto my geocities site. So after digging out the password, I headed over to see what I had to post, and discovered that Geocities didn't understand a simple line of coding to make the background *black*. It also didn't undestand the line to change the link colors. Bleh. I double-checked my code, thinking maybe I was a doofus and got the colors mixed up, and no, I was right. And considering all the sh!te I had to get just to get to the site (<sarcasm>thank you, Yahoo!</sarcasm>), and the time it took just to save any chnages I made, I got *so* fed up I said, "To Dis with this. I'm moving everything over to chickpages." So what chickpages loads even slower and I can only upload one thing at a time. At least it won't mangle a simple piece of coding. Arrrrrrg.

End Rant!

Warning! Dis Connect Death!
I was in too good a mood to do this ealier, but now, oh...
<in a sweet voice> "Oh, Mr. Dis COnnect...c'mere...I want to introduce you to my pet Max. He's a little hungry, since the PetSmart down the street said they won't sell me rats to feed him, so I'm *really* sure he'll be happy to see you..."
Jewel opens her python's cage. Max perks up, tenses, and looks expectantly at the top of the cage.
"Aww, he's a cute little snake!"
"Yes, he is, Mr. Disconnect. WHy don't you look in a bit closer? Here, let me help you..."
Flurry of motion in the cage and a squeal from Dis Connect. Then a very loud *crunch* sound, and silence.
"Oooh, Max...silly snake, don't eat him *backwards*. Head first."

Pistoff: Yeah, from a guy's perspective, I guess a girl getting a little extra from the breast fairy wouldn't be such a bad thing. ;) It can be a royal pain sometimes, (ie, guys talk to them and not to me), but it is fun when you have a middle-aged guy in a little red sportscar almost hit a stop sign cause he's staring so hard. hee hee...almost as much fun as walking down the street in a "Catholic schoolgirl" out (white blouse, black tie, pleated skirt, white knee socks, and the black Mary Janes). hee hee hee (if they're gonna be so rude as to stare, the least I can do is make them almost crash for being so silly). And *yes*, I do have an evil streak in me... As for scaring people--it can be fun to play with that. When I was at Bryn Mawr, the city of Bryn Mawr was this hyper-conservative little town. So if I had to go into town, I already knew I was going to scare the little old ladies, so sometimes, I figured, "Oh, what the hell--I might as well make them slip out" and would go into town wearing a bandana on over my hair, jeans, and a flannel shirt. Used to scare the bejesus out of some of the old biddies-- either that, or it'd backfire, and all the little onld ladies would decide to ask me to get the stuff off the tall shelf at the grocery story, or the crazies would pick me out to be their special friend (a la "Animaniacs").
jewel
Friday, November 19, 1999 10:27:08 PM
IP: spider-wa052.proxy.aol.com

**sees the damage inflicted upon DC, adds some more excruciating (to watch!) pain upon his person** That's for Wyvernweb, and for knocking out my ISP's backdoor server!! ARRRG!! It took me six tries to friggin' dial up tonight, and I didn't get throgh until I changed the number!! **kicks the scapegoat again before continuing**

Mara: This might come as a shock to you, but at least on the first season of Slayers, I've tried both subbed *and* dubbed. And the reason I chose the dubs over the subs was because (shock of shocks) there was actually *more* content in the dubs than there was in the subs!
I agree about Naga's laugh ... it *is* pretty grating, I have the subbed edition of the Slayers feature and I cringe every time she laughs. ;)
Oh, and now I'm especially looking forward to seeing what you and Matt teaming up can do to his work. :)

Fire Storm: Who says they didn't? MIOSHA just called 'em wimps and shoved 'em away. Speaking of whom ... thanks for the reminder! WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!

**flatbed truck pulls into the CR, carrying another two Execution^TM cakes. Tosses the new remotes to Jannie and SOROW** Happy birthday! Pick yer flavors ... ;)

Gside: Holy crap, you're a BANDO!!! WOO HOO!!

**composes self**

Sorry. It's nice to see a fellow bando in here ... and a collegian, no less! (FYI, I was in the SMB (Spartan Marching Band, Michigan State University) for three and a half seasons)

Green Baron: All righty then, just don't take anything that's already been done ... which reminds me ...

Warpmind: "Team Bravo" is yours for the MSTing, nobody had claimed it yet. As I stated before, Mara did "Sleepover" (my AvMists fic), and Cyrway's got Tome 1 (the first seven stories of my original cycle before WCC). Clicky on my name link ... if it's hard to read let me know and I'll send a text version.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, November 19, 1999 10:26:55 PM
IP: modem58.i-is.com

hello everyone, so much to catch up on!
before I forget, since I missed some bday wishes, and its been awhile since I've sung my bday song....

for all November bdays!!!>>>

Oh we love you , love you, love you,
and we'll sing it once again,
Oh we love you , love you, love you,
comes back the glad refrain,
from the mountains to the prairies,
to the islands of the sea,
you can hear the whole world singing
our joyous melody.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Pisstoff>>the email about the girl's bathroom didn't tell me where it took place at.

catch ya'll later
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, November 19, 1999 09:51:27 PM
IP: twin58x.magiclink.com

RICHARD III - I haven't seen the "updated" movie starring McKellen, but I do have a book version of the screenplay with McKellen's notes about the background of it, and it's great reading. Ian points out that they reset the play in the 1930's since a lot of people nowadays aren't as familiar with the original 15th century setting as they were in Shakespeare's day, when the Wars of the Roses were relatively recent history - kind of like the Civil War is to us Americans nowadays - and the 1930's setting with Richard III as a sort of Hitlerian fascist dictator made the story a bit clearer to those people in the audience who aren't that familiar with late medieval English history. Of course, I'll admit that the anachronism is a bit jarring, but since there is always the debate over how historically accurate Shakespeare's portrayal of Richard III really is (not to mention that Will got a lot of anachronisms in his history plays - in one of them, he actually has King John planning to make use of cannons in his wars against the French even though gunpowder hadn't cropped up in Europe as yet during John's reign), it may not matter that much.

FALSTAFF - I don't know what role he played in the Gargoyles Universe (the notion that he was Macbeth in disguise is certainly intriguing), but it's worth pointing out that Greg's mentioned that in his plans, Dingo's real name is Harry Monmouth, an aka of Prince Hal's. (In which case, the Pack might be considered equivalent to Falstaff and his associates - although Falstaff, even at his worst, was never quite as bad as Jackal, Hyena, and Wolf).

I have seen Falstaff occasionally compared to Broadway.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 19, 1999 07:57:56 PM
IP: 216.87.40.195.dialup-stl.primary.net

D'oh! I have my CLASSES picked out

er sorry fro the double post. I really do need some sleep.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Friday, November 19, 1999 07:54:19 PM
IP: ts002d26.orl-fl.concentric.net

Crashes into the CR room.

I woke up at 5;am so I could be at the UCF student union by 8:00(its like an hour drive from my house) Orientation went great and I had to change my major from English-lit to English-Creative Writing ;)

I also have my picked out YESSSS!

Pissy your making a Stupid cutomers page? post the URl when your done. We sort of have the same thing down here. Its in a section of the paper called ticked off.

Nepsy and Uranus Sisters?!?!?SCheea ya know what Uh Uh.

Good News! Princess Mononoke finally opened up here in Central Florida

Well I'm going to surf a little and finally get some much needed sleep.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, November 19, 1999 07:52:45 PM
IP: ts002d26.orl-fl.concentric.net

**Dis Connect walks into the room, and raises his hands into the air. "I quit!" he says. "Ya see, after the Wyvernweb crash again last night, I know I'm gonna get maimed, so I quit. Kenny the CR Lawyer will back me up in saying that by quitting, I get out of all the responsibilities I normally have, so you have no reason to kill me. Right?"
Kenny shaked his head 'no.' "I'll do no such thing DC. I'd say you're about to get maimed and good."**

CR's been blocked to me for the last... 3 or so days, I have no idea where to start... Lets see...

Using the ol' Griff pic since me and Heather have been dating for exactly 11 months as of yesterday... Hee...

Who is John Galt? Anyone know?

Gside- I have no idea... I'm not quite as versed in Shakesphere as I should be...

Jannie- If I'm caught sleeping, and then asked "What are you doing?" My response is always as follows...

"Thinking of imaginary numbers, swimming with dolphins, and looking for the fourth dimension..."

Mara- Naga's laugh... AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Hmm, new Sailor Moon volume eh? Pity I haven't the funds since I'm saving up for Slayers NEXT volume 5-8...

Sailor Moon- Of course, Sailor Mars kissing Venus that once is nothing compared to Uranus and Neptune... Who are *gag* "sisters" in the season three translation ...(Or so I've heard...)

Warmind Mother and son? Ehh... Interesting... Course, Monster Rancher did father and Daughter...

Titanic- Eh, it would have been better had it focused on the band I think... Those guys were cool!

Pokemon- Hey, I like it, will tape it when it gets back to the first episode again, I've seen the movie twice, bought or read all the comics, own the series soundtrack and have been playing the game like its crack lately. I can't really defend it, I'm not sure what I like about it.

Poke-crack. Hmm...

Transformers figures- I have Silverbolt, and am looking for a transmetal 2 Cheetor... SOme of the figures I've almost gotten but ditched because they screw up so badly in design compared to the show at times... I also have Grimlock laying around in storage somewhere. Not to mention an original Voltron with all 5 lions and members of the Voltron force!

Aaron- Hmm, those would be fun children's books...

Robby
Friday, November 19, 1999 07:25:11 PM
IP: spider-wo051.proxy.aol.com

*walks in, carting SD Angie-chan on her shoulders*

Konba wa!

The Sailor kiss: Well, it wasn't *actually* Rei who kissed Mina...

Well... no.. not exactly, but it was rei's body.. close enough.

But did you see the inside of one of the books, where Mina has her hand all over Usagi's [of the books, where Mina has her hand all over Usagi's [Bunny/Sailor Moon] chest?

Lol! really? I know I've seen the one where usaig (i think) is pulling up another girl's skirt.(i forget which scout)

Looks like all of them are going to way of Uranus and Neptune...(althoug, according the to translated versions, they're sisters. Mmm hmm. Right.

RENT's Maureen mode on:: Hey Mister! She's my sister!

Christine:: I'm going to *try* my best to get a couple of pictures I've done recently scanned for Av Mists. Flapper Angela and Tango Demona. I just hope I can get to my high school before Wed.

I have a questions about cloning. (at least when it relates to Gargoyles)If Servarius had cloned just Elisa's
DNA, without mixing in gargoyle DNA, would her clone have the negative coloration?

ta!
Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Friday, November 19, 1999 07:21:31 PM
IP: spider-te014.proxy.aol.com

Heather- Do not leave. You are welcome here. :)
jenna
Friday, November 19, 1999 06:28:54 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

**walks in and blushes red** Hi, you thought you wouldn't see me again huh ? Well, I'm here but I'm just been lurking lately because of ROTc, which I'm going to be in a Christmas parade. Marching of course.
Another reason I haven't been here is because... I don't know what to comment about. It seemed to be that what you guys talk about it sometimes way over my head. *sighs** If you guys want me gone, I'll go.
Anyway, next month is Robby and mine first year anniversary of dating... December 18th.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, November 19, 1999 06:01:21 PM
IP: abd2ab1e.ipt.aol.com

Stoned Morpheus: The point of him is that he *isn't* like the rest of the Dreaming--Morpheus is always deadly serious, and takes his function seriously. Johnny Depp just couldn't do it.

jewel
Friday, November 19, 1999 05:10:10 PM
IP: 98cf0539.ipt.aol.com

Jewel > What do you mean "too stoned"? All of the Dreaming looks like an LSD hallucination! Why not find a Morpheus to match it?

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Friday, November 19, 1999 04:45:20 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Oops, I screwed up...

jewel: That line was supposed to be, "People have offered me drugs, and tried to _buy some from me._" Eek...coffee! I need some damn coffee!!! ;)
Pis
Friday, November 19, 1999 03:55:10 PM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com

It figures. When I finally have a chance to catch up on this stuff, Wyvernweb crashes again. Oh well, I'll try to get another chunk of it done while I have a few moments... ;)

jewel: Glad you enjoyed the rant. It was good to get that out of my system. :) <> Exactly! Just because of what we look like, people expect us to steal their stuff or beat 'em up or something. Another thing I've noticed is that, when I walk by, quite often women will grab their children's hands and pull them closer and scowl at me from the corners of their eyes until I'm out of arm's reach, then they relax. *rolls eyes* People have offered me drugs, or tried to sell some to me. My usual response is, "I earn minimum wage. Do you think I can afford your smack?" The funny thing is, quite often, the rich kids with the fancy cars and expensive clothes are the ones who are the heavy drug users, simply because they're the ones who can afford that kind of stuff. I saw this kind of thing a lot in high school--the "in" crowd would look down on anybody who smoked pot once every six or eight months...but the same uppity people would then go to mind-bending drug parties on the weekend, and come back to school on Monday with dilated pupils and white stuff on their faces....

This obsession with beauty just baffles me. As Doug mentioned, a lot of Beautiful People become stuck-up, and people still go out of their way to suck up to them. This is one of the other things that really bothers me--the attitude that, "You're not equal to my stature because you're not beautiful/handsome." Very often, the Beautiful People are, on the inside, some of the ugliest motherf--kers you could ever have the misfortune to encounter. One thing about the movie "Escape from LA" that made me laugh my ass off was the scene with the Beverly Hills people who had too much cosmetic surgery done, and their faces completely fell apart. Let that be a lesson to the Beautiful People out there. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

As for Calvin Klein and his "Women shouldn't let themselves get that big" attitude, all I can say is, "Calvin...F--K YOU!!!" I mean, what difference does it make, really? As long as it doesn't cause health problems, why worry about it? If somebody is so heavy that they have to be lifted out of bed with a crane, something should be done, but short of that, there's no reason to get all obsessed about weight. In fact... <<some of us out there had the breast fairy go a *wee* bit overboard>> *big goofy grin* Well, at the risk of sounding tacky, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. :D A fun way to pass the time, apparently, is to find out whether or not they can be squeezed into a lisence plate frame... heh, sorry, it's an inside joke between me and Jannie. *L* As for your sister in law thinking she's fat when she's only 147 pounds...sheesh! Seems like a pretty reasonable weight, to me. Anything less than that, and I'd be afraid to even bump into her 'cause y'never know, some of these ultra-skinny people might break like cheap glass... ;) Congrats on being a future aunt, too! 8D

Christine: <<wasn't meant to be hostile, just meant to be firm.>> Oops, sorry about the misunderstanding. Sometimes it's difficult to discern the tone when you're just reading text on a screen. No facial expressions or body language to read with it. As for that stuff about the incest thing in Dean Koontz's novel...well, just from what I've read on the subject of hermaphrodites impregnating themselves, it seems that it's not possible. For some biological reason, it just doesn't work. The sources I checked could be wrong, of course, but this is what I've heard, anyway.... Anyway, glad you had a good time at the book fest. Sounds like a real hoot. :) <<The weirdest question asked was from a middle-aged woman who wanted to know, and she was _serious_, if any of us had ever really personally witnessed or experienced magic/fairies/etc.>> O_O Umm...people like her make me nervous. *g* Reminds me of Jonathon Frakes talking about the stupidest question he was asked at a convention--"Does Riker have hemorrhoids?" :O Ye gods... As for Ouija boards, some friends and I tried one a few years ago...and nothing happened. Not even a twitch. I simply don't buy into any of this supernatural stuff--magic, faeries, ghosts, Tarot cards, whatever. They make for interesting stuff to add to stories, but as far as real life is concerned, I just don't buy it. :)

shogun raptor: <Maeve singing Jigglypuff> Oh gawd...LMAO! What an image that brings to mind... :)

Jessie: <<Does anyone know a good place to get obscure CD's online?>> Well, you could try www.recordstore.com --they have a search engine that looks through a large number of databases, finds the one you're looking for, and gives you a list of the sellers and their prices, so you can find the best deal. I used this one to find a CD of the Dead Kennedys' "Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" which I was just unable to find in stores anywhere, and I got a great deal on it--$6.99 plus $2 postage. :D If Recordstore.com can't find it, chances are, it doesn't exist.

Mandolin: *bows* I'm glad you enjoyed it. :) <<I have a colaboma - that's a keyhole pupil - in my left eye, which to top that off is a bit of a lazy eye. Would you believe that in middle school, some jackass thought I was retarded just by looking at me?>> Ack!! People like this guy are the _real_ retards. I think little details like these just make people more unique and interesting. My own face is pretty boring, really, except for the right eyelid, which doesn't open all the way. Man, I used to take so much flak about that! Until I grew this mustache and started shaving my head. Now people are too busy avoiding me instead of commenting about my screwed-up eyelid... *evil grin* And that size-9 girl you mentioned...oh, for crying out loud! People like her have serious problems going on upstairs. Heh, which reminds me, two people I absolutely cannot stand are Richard Simmons and Susan Powter...

Richard Simmons: This guy acts like the only way for people to be "accepted" is to be as thin as he is. Good lord!! When this guy turns sideways, he vanishes! And one time he even said that fat people are lazy! Say that when you're around me and my friends, Richie boy, and you'd better hope you can outrun me. Say what you want about David Letterman, but one memory I'll always treasure is the time Letterman emptied a fire extinguisher all over that runt. >8D

Susan Powter: Stop the Insanity, eh? Couldn't have said it better myself. The best way to stop the insanity is for people like Susan Powter to SHUT THE F--K UP and just leave people alone. I think Denis Leary said it best, when he was talking about the time he almost ran over Susan Powter: "I almost stopped the insanity _permanently._" :D

Kitainia: Thanks for the compliments. :) <<Physical beauty is indeed a terrible mistress, especially because it is held up as an ideal by so many misguided people. :( Hope that they all are someday able to learn that it brings no true lasting rewards, and that one should seek a deeper, more true, way of being beautiful if one wants to be happy and truly shine. Intelligence, determination, friendship, caring, love, selflessness, understanding, tolerance, and freedom are of course all parts of that emotion, as well as appreciating the gifts you do have no matter what anyone says. :)>> *applause* Words like those represent _true_ beauty. :)

Jaden: Yeah, that's rough when you're expecting to get off work at a certain time, especially if you've made specific plans that'll be screwed up if you don't get to leave at that time. At least that guy had a good reason for not being there--but he definitely should've called and let the bosses know he wouldn't be there, so they could have time to bring in a replacement.

Anne: Your ideas about humans adopting gargoyle customs is really interesting. :) I'd like to see some more comments on that. Of course, I'm still catching up on stuff I missed days and days ago, so somebody might've commented already and I just haven't seen it yet. But such is the way my life works... ;)

Delphi: That middle school in Oregon that you mentioned...it wasn't in Coquille, was it? 'Cause that's where I grew up and went to school before moving to Coos Bay, and what happened there certainly sounds like the things that went on in my middle school... ;)

SJ: The guy who was looking at porno stuff while sitting next to you...that's extremely disturbing. That shouldn't be done in a public place, especially at a school. Besides, I'd be VERY nervous if I were sitting next to a pervert with a raging hard-on... O_O

jenna: <<At mikes school, where I sometimes go, half of the computers are on sites like that.>> Okay, now that's _really_ giving me the creeps. Actually, I know a good way to "cure" these perverts--or at least make them think twice about doing it again. Hmm, actually, this would work better if guys do it, so...

SJ, you might want to pay attention to this, too...

Anyway, you'll need a small bottle of water for this, like a squeeze bottle of Evian or something. When a guy is looking at porn stuff on a school computer, silently walk up behind him, then start making smacking sounds, grunt "Oh YEAH!" and then spurt some of the water on the back of the pervo's neck. When he spins around, turn around and pretend to zip up your pants... ;)

And, finally, my Stupid Customers page is up. :D There are only a few anecdotes on it so far, but I'll be adding plenty more as time permits. Heh, stupid-customer stories is one thing we'll _never_ run out of. ;) Click my name to check it out...

Well, I gotta run. Places to see, people to do, etc. I've almost reached the halfway point in replies, heh. I'll be back later on this afternoon or evening, if the CR doesn't go down again... ;)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Friday, November 19, 1999 03:46:28 PM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com

Yay! Server's up! Seems to mike like DC deserves an extra-gristly death today, but I'm in too good a mood since I finally found my lost CD case.

GB and Jannie: Oh, I hear you about the families. When I lived at home, I was about 180, 190--but still only about a size 13/14. EVen when I gained the freshman 15 (Ok, OK, 25), the largest my clothes ever got was a 15/16--so I know I wasn't the giant behemeth she was treating me like. And if I lost weight, she'd ask if I was getting fatter. Mom was downright mean at times, but I think the worst was the relatives giving the "good-natured" teasing. My relatives all seemed to be obssessed with my weight, when, if left alone about it, I didn't give a flying fig. It was more irritating if they made a fuss over when I *did* lose weight. I know Mom's going to say something this Thanksgiving when I see her abut the fact that I've lost weight. And I'm likely to just tell her off--it's not like our relationship is in good of shape anyway, and it's already going to be in a state when she finds out I've been back in Georgia for a month and didn't tell her. It's all gonna hit the fan anyway...

Morpheus: I saw him on Leno. He seemed to stupid..or stoned...to play the King of Dreams.
jewel
Friday, November 19, 1999 02:57:34 PM
IP: 98a7cc4d.ipt.aol.com

Hello all
looks at DC I couldn�t get in the room last night. So you have a choice clean up the shot glasses and valises on the table or�..*DC begins to clean the table* opps I�ll take that everfull bottle of Sauza comenentairo.

Thanks for the bday wishes oh and happy bday in return.

Aaron you know I have a friend who chained his sister to a tree mabey he read the 28 book on your list :o)

Glad to se the Neverwhere movie coming along. Weird thought when I was a kid I can remember that no one was really into fantasy stuff (ok I just turned 29 so yea I am kinda old yuck 29 bleah) yet now a days it seems like everyone is into fandom. I mean if you had asked me when I was 10 if I thought I would ever see an xmen cartoon show I would have said no. oh btw casting for the new Dragon Riders of Pern tv series is this month. Don�t know if there are any actors in here but�..

More latter

ironwolf - [cag16@bellsouth.net]
Friday, November 19, 1999 02:10:38 PM
IP: host-209-215-8-40.cha.bellsouth.net

Um Warpmind, that was Kirk *Hammet*, one of the guys from Metallica.

Actually being skinny isn't all it's cracked up to be. That's one of the reasons I love my trenchcoat so much. It conceals the fact that I look like someone who'd be easy to pick on.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, November 19, 1999 02:02:50 PM
IP: ppp-75.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Christine> *chuckles* you and I should shop together... I have to cut about 4 inches off of my pants (I'm 5'1") so we could use my extra material to add to your length! *L* Then to get the top to fit around my boobs - it bags like a potato sack! eesh!

Green Baron> *nods* know the feeling well! I've lost 55 pounds in the past year and to this day certain family members still refer to me as being "fat". *shrugs* I realize I'm still not a skinny-minney.. but geesh! My family is full of heart disease too - and I've been stricken with it myself. Some smoke, some drink, some have never touched any of it and they've all had heart attacks.. go figure! Kinda' shoots the surgeon generals warning all to shit, huh? *L* It's all in the genetics.
Jannie
Friday, November 19, 1999 01:55:20 PM
IP: 196-084.c.esc4.net

Warpmind (and anybody else who's interested)> Each of the Endless had a sigil. Dream's was his mask. Death's was the Ankh (which has a pleasing irony to it). Destiny's was the book. Desire's was a heart. Despair's was a ring with a hook on it. Destruction's was a sword, but nobody ever saw it, since he quit. I can't remember what Delight/Delirium's was. I THINK it was a flower (if so, probably a poppy).

The main use for them was that cool "I'm standing in my gallery and I'm holding your sigil, will you speak to me>?" line they all used to communicate with each other.

So, since we're talking about Sandman these days, any of you read "The Girl Who Would Be Death?" I thought it was too cool that Eblias O'shaugnesee (SP?) was Death's champion.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, November 19, 1999 01:43:58 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Birthday greetings to all the November-born!

Submission reminders > Avalon Mists deadline next Wednesday; and Sabledrake Magazine is still looking for articles, game reviews, artwork, etc!

Plus sizes > ::rueful chuckle:: Another thing the clothes-makers don't seem to realize is not all uf us women of substance are 5'6 and under, with "huge tracts o' land" ... I get stuck with pants that hit well above the ankles and tops that bag so much in the front I could have a career as a smuggler ... ; )

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, November 19, 1999 12:26:03 PM
IP: dial145.b1.tnt4.wa.freei.net

Well, I am checking in, though I do not know how much time I have, so I'll be swift.

Aaron: Possibly the same... did Desire have a heart-shaped crystal or something as her symbol, like Death's symbol is the ankh? That would account for the soon-to-be possible dismemberment of the translator... Nice book titles, by the way... I'd read'em for kicks, that's for sure.

Christine: Damn. But, it's your decision, and I respect it. Now, let's see... I believe Coyote made me an offer...

Coyote: I chose When Clans Collide; Team Bravo (I believe it was called), but if it's been done, I'll have to swap.

*Looks at Mara's singing and groans quietly.* And I thought *I* made weird filks... But I sent you the current beginning and end sequence of the MiST project, as you asked. Unless the LAN server is eating e-mails again, like it did with the last I sent to Spike...

Jannie's birthday? Man, I gotta begin paying attention... one of these years, I'm likely to forget my OWN birthday...

Aaron: Kirk Hammer... hmmm... Pistoff, is Kirk and Jack Hammer related, by any chance?

Pistoff: I guess authors would be welcome to mist their own stories for the project... if you're interested, let me know, and I'll add you to the ever-growing list of interested MiSTers... I think you'd be number three... But, anyhow, maybe look at it this way: I don't think ANYBODY who MiSTs fanfics are intentionally insultive... it's more along the lines of religious humor... particularly the jokes on your own faith...

Neverwhere debate: I aree with Scott... Johnny Depp would make a pretty good Morpheus...

Well, gotta be running...

Later, humans, gargoyles and fey alike...

Oooh, and I'm down to 14 eps left of TGS Gagoyles... YAY! (And I must say... Lethe was fun to read... por widdle ol' Demmie, typing with way-too-thick talons, and how they got rid of Darien...)

I'll be back.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:14:17 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Sandman Actors > For Morpheus, I think Johnny Depp could pull it off (in appearance, if not in acting talent). In my opinion, Morpheus somewhat resembles Edward Scissorhands.

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:10:51 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Good morning. Well, It seems it was down since Chris was relocating, but I think it's all in better shape now.

Jewel> Sounds like an interesting book. I studied soem of that and got in trouble back in grade school.. Of course, my intentions were power and not research, so it's probably for the better I stopped that until my attitude changes. What would be inetresting is to get some of the books the Vatican uses to train its Exorcists (yes, we do have Exorcists =)).

It's inetresting to mention Richard III an dthe Nazis, because Hitler had plans of taking England and making Edward VI and Wallis Simpson puppet rulers of England (My grandftaher is very embarrassed that Wallis is his distant cousin).

Janine> It seems your family is more dysfunctional than mine. I'm 5'10" and I weighed 175 lbs and according to my mother, I was fat. Supposedly, she says she's worried about heart disease, since most of my family have died of heart attacks (they were also heavy smokers and alchoholics, but I don't smoke or drink). When I went down to 170 lbs, she asked me if I gained weight, and I actually lost some. One day, I'll get her back, though,a nd hopefully seize ehr assets in the porcess :)

Pistoff> The treatment I got from other children made me enjoy movies like Nightmare on Elm Street, since I pictured Freddy getting those kids who teased me :)

Kathy> I signed it. I will gladly keep taxes out of the Internet.

Christine> I figured he was due for the RPs. He;s going to pull a nice BlackAdder move in the RP, too.

More posts later. I have a test coming up.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:01:24 AM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Looks like it. Say, does that mean we get to do an extra top ten? If so, I'm in.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, November 19, 1999 11:01:17 AM
IP: ppp-33.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Has this CR been down all night?
jenna
Friday, November 19, 1999 10:43:15 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

To play Morpheus> How about David Thuless (sp) from Dragonheart?

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 06:09:20 PM
IP: ppp-99.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

This post is *very* Neil Gaiman heavy...

Death: She is cool. Although maybe a little *too* perky at times. I liked both of the Death miniseries that got written, especially "The High Cost of Living."

Delirium: I hope, I hope, I *hope* Gaiman writes a miniseries on her as well--he said he planned to do all of the Endless. I liked Del more than Death by the end, though. Although Morpheus will always be my favorite. There's just something about a tragic figure...

Dream Hunters: I didn't think it was the best Sandman story (I reserve best story to "Kindly Ones") but I thought it was really really good...mainly because of Amano's artwork. That fold out of Morpheus was so..lush I hope that they make it into a poster, because I'd buy it.

Neverwhere: I had heard about them getting a director. I beleive Loncrane did the updated version of "Richard III," whihc took place during WWII. If that's the right one, that was supposed to be excellent, and everyone said it was amazingly well directed. As for casting...
Richard-the guy from the BBC production, because he was excellent. Or maybe even Keanu Reeves (although I am in mortal terror of the thought of him trying the accent), because his default state is "Huh? Wha?" and that would be perfect for RIchard.
Jessica-Gwyneth Paltrow because Jessica is a b, and I think Gwennie is a b, so it would make me happy (kinda in the way that I would see Titanic just to watch Leo turn blue and die, and kinda hope they cast him for Anikin Skywalker, so I can see him thrown into a fiery pit--OK, he won't die, but it'll be fun to watch him burn on the big screen).
Marquis-no idea.
Door-Natalie Portman
Hunter-Grace Jones all the way.
Croup-Christopher Walken
Vandemeer-that guy that played "Mr Hoom" on ST:TNG
Since there are so many Sandman fans in here, have any of y'all ever thought about who you would cast if they wevre *actuall* made the Sandman movie (currently in "production hell" and, to quote Gaiman, "I hope it stays there.")? I was thinking I would love to get David Fincher to direct it ("Se7en" and "Fight Club." But more importantly, he did the video for Aerosmith's "Janie Gotta Gun," and the use of light and shadow was *amazing*, and something "Sandman" would need)
Lucifer-Leo DeCaprio because, weird as this sounds, he'd do a good job--he looks the part, and I think he could actually pull it off.
Death-Tori Amos
Despair-Kathy Bates.
Delirium-oh, there's some 12 year old who could play her
Destiny-the guy that played Frank Black on "Millenium"
Desire-it would have to be a guy who would be a very pretty woman when in drag.
Destruction-Jon Goodman
Dream-I actually have no idea. I can't think of any actor with the brooding air whose young enough to play Morpheus.

The Sailor kiss: Well, it wasn't *actually* Rei who kissed Mina... But did you see the inside of one of the books, where Mina has her hand all over Usagi's [Bunny/Sailor Moon] chest? Looks like all of them are going to way of Uranus and Neptune...(althoug, according the to translated versions, they're sisters. Mmm hmm. Right. I saw "sisters" like them on the Jerry Springer show.)

green Baron: Actually, I read it in a book on Demons and the Demonic Hierarchies. But I am reading some Kaballistic texts now, oddly enough...

Jesse Jackson: Did he even bother to read up on some of this paragons of virtue? A bunch of them are 3rd year freshman, for goodness' sake. And all of them have prior records at the school. Yeah, maybe 2 years was too much, but *still*.

Happy belated b-day, Pistoff and Jannie
jewel
Thursday, November 18, 1999 05:27:55 PM
IP: 98a74cea.ipt.aol.com

wow! Thanks everyone who has wished me a happy birthday! It's so sweet of you!! :)

Jenna> *blushes* yeah, Denis makes my heart flutter! ;) I talked to him this morning and I LOVE hearing that french accent! *giggles*

Fred> glad you are still able to come online!
Thank you for that boost of size 14 and up! ;) It's just a shame that manufactures choose to ignore that the average american woman is a size 14 or 16. They do this because the "beautiful people" find it repulsive to see anyone larger than a size 10 and a lot of them have the attitude that larger people are just lazy and love to eat potato chips and ice cream. *rolls eyes* This has actually been said to me in conversations! I have cousins that weigh over 300 pounds and they eat VERY healthy meals, no snacks, have cholestrol counts of over 400 and are extremely healthy. No blockage forming in their arteries, no high blood pressure, etc. Overweight does not always mean poor health. They wear expensive clothing, they're clean, hair and make-up is perfect, etc. and they still must endure harassment and ridicule from others. *shakes head* Sometimes it is really hard to believe the shallowness of some people.
My paternal grandmother: *shrugs* she's dead and I didn't attend the funeral. She was a very mean woman - once the bird dog was barking in the backyard and wouldn't shut-up. She broke all four of it's legs with her cane. O.o And my dad used to wonder why it would piss me off when he'd say, "you are just like your Grandmother"... O_O
My dad: he's from the old school and back hills of Missouri. I think he thought shock treatment was an acceptable form of punishment or teaching. Heh, just one of the many reasons I haven't spoken to him in almost a year now.
I will be online later tonight after I finish teaching at scouts.. hope you are here also! *hugs*

Denis> awwwww!!! *blushes and giggles* I love you too!! Thanks, my love! *hugs close*

*scampers out to open more birthday gifts!*
Jannie
Thursday, November 18, 1999 05:23:27 PM
IP: 168.171.197.6

Meow!!

Happy Birthday Janine
::Reverend Attila comes out on stage as a Chippendale dancer and dances around Janine, while he throws off all his clothes, until he's naked and then he just starts purring on Janine's lap::

Reverend Attila
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, November 18, 1999 05:10:06 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102

OOPS before I sing off.
.
.
.Happy Birthday Jannie
Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida, U.SA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 04:02:52 PM
IP: ts002d11.orl-fl.concentric.net

ACK!! Haven't had enough coffee, brain's not working...

Jannie: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! *hugs* :D
Pissy
Thursday, November 18, 1999 03:20:37 PM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com

Okay, finally some replies that I should've done a long time ago...

Warp: <<Did I have an idea for the Gargoyles/Sliders crossover?>> Well, it wasn't exactly a Sliders crossover. Aaron had that idea about characters "sliding" from one ficverse to the next, and then you (I _think- it was you, anyway) mentioned your idea about MiSTing a story from each author, with Goliath and some others being forced to do it. I thought it was a pretty nifty idea. I wasn't too clear on how it would be done--would each author MiST one of his/her own stories? Or would each one MiST a story by a different author? I have to admit that I'm not really comfortable with the idea of somebody MiSTing my stories, but then again, we need to do things that make us uncomfortable from time to time, just to keep from falling into a rut. So what the hell, I guess I'll give it a shot, just so I don't seem like a poor sport. ;) <<Oh, and I'd say you're just as sick as the Jericho groupies... only you've come to terms with it, as you yourself stated.>> Hmm...you're probably right. I'm just as sick and twisted, but in a _different_ way. Thank the gods... ;) Oh, and thanks for sending the caption. I'll add it to the Revenge Page as soon as I can... hee hee hee...

Zath: <<Unfortunately, I discovered Los Angeles is like a dog and stinks when it gets wet. : P>> *L* As opposed to Coos Bay and North Bend, which stink *all* the time. ;) Seriously, we used to have a paper mill that...aaauuuugh! Y'know that smell when somebody eats a lot of boiled eggs and then farts alot? Amplify that by about 50,000 times and you'll get the idea. The only regret I have about that place shutting down is all the jobs that were eleminated. :( That talk Jerry Springer did sounds interesting. The guy's show is garbage, but at least he admits it. The truly sad thing is that there's such a high demand for this crap. <<*groan* Bad joke! Bad, bad joke, no chocolate cake for you tonight! : )>> Hehehehe...sometimes I just can't help myself. ;) Thanks for clearing up the thing about inbreeding and genetics. That was really interesting. Your idea about Demona mating with her descendents until she got one that looked just like her made me think of a certain scene in Star Trek IV... "I can't believe I kissed you!" "Must've been your life-long ambition!" :P Anyway...I had some email problems, but I'll get those descriptions to you ASAP. :) That Pistoffgoyle sounds intriguing... :D <<It worked for Kitty's real life counterpart. She would always jump and chew on people's heads until my brother picked her up and put her head in his mouth. Now she prefers to attack hands and feet : )>> LMAO! I bet that was a Kodak moment! <<Do you at least get paid extra for the overtime?>> Well, I get paid $6.65/hour unless I go over 40 hours a week, then I get paid for overtime...thing is, that hardly ever happens. I usually end up covering somebody else's shift, but not enough to put me into overtime.

Jannie: Thanks for your comments on the Beauty rant, etc. I've noticed the same thing about "plus-size" clothing for women. It's like society (or more likely, the media) didn't want to admit that anyone other than Beautiful People exist. I'd like to see more models parading around in clothing that's size 14 and up. Whenever I see these skinny "supermodels" who look like they'd snap in half if a good gust of wind came along, I just want to scream at the top of my lungs, "EAT SOMETHING!!!!!!!" ;) <<She begins to fawn and carry on about how beautiful Karen is, how she is the most beautiful grandchild that she has, etc. (Karen favors that side of the family) I began my usual comedy act & start coughing real loud to alert & remind grandmother of my presence. She looks at me and says, "oh but Jan...you have such a nice personality".>> *growls* That woman should've been slapped stupid. That's a terrible thing to do to somebody. <<Even my dad used to tell me, "you ain't gonna' get by on your looks, so you'd better sharpen your social skills">> *whips out cattle prod* Let me at 'im!! Somebody who says things like that to their own kids is asking for a beat-down. <<Anyway, I've seen several pictures of you IRL and I would be proud to be seen with you in public! :)>> Awwwwwwwww! Thanks. :)

Green Baron: <<As a whole, children are exceptionally cruel and unthinking and much of that is weathered by theiur maturity and a proper learning. Perhaps this is a sign that age does not equal maturity :)>> *high fives* Well said. :) I've had personal, painful experience with this very thing as a child... *flashbacks* Yaaaaah!! O_O Children can be unbelievably cruel...

night walker: <<And this is coming from someone who has played the odd man out for about 6 years running but......Hell yeah. I totally agree.>> Thanks. :) Something like this is a terrible experience, but it helps to know that you're not alone.

Ack, that's all I have time for, right now. I'll try to finish the replies later on today... *sighs* RL never stops getting in the way... ;)
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 03:17:28 PM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com

Warpmind: <how does that affect those who can break wooden boards with their forehead?>
I don't know. Just don't concentrate on the pain?

Aaron: <Children's Books That Just Didn't Make It...>
ROFL, ROFL, ROFL!!!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 03:10:12 PM
IP: t2-2.visitus.net

::kathy wanders into the comment room and posts a small rectangular piece of cardboard on the CR door::

It reads:

Public Service Announcement of Interest to Anyone Who Shops on the Internet.

Clickie my name to sign the No Sales Tax Petition

::kathy waves to one and all and goes back to work::

kathy
Thursday, November 18, 1999 02:43:41 PM
IP: mail.avon.com

Aaron- (sings) O, Christmas Tree, O Christmas Tree.. :P
jenna
Thursday, November 18, 1999 02:37:10 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hey Jenna, got your EM. Really puts you in the christmas spirit, doesn't it?

Happy Birthday SOROW.

Oh, and it's Kirk Hammet's birthday today too.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 02:19:52 PM
IP: ppp-45.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Doh!! **slaps head***

forgive me!

JANNIE-- HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MAMAFOX!!!!!! :)
jenna yet again
Thursday, November 18, 1999 01:52:31 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

VECTORS: Urg! That was the easiest part of Physics for me..I'd learned it all on flight training! So I got to sleep for the first two weeks of class and was in HELL for teh rest!!

TRANSFORMERS: Cyrway got me started on that...in fact, she did a pic of me as a Transformer...click and scroll down (dont' know where the URL for the colour version is right nwo and I'm in a rush to get to class!!)
Stormy
Thursday, November 18, 1999 01:51:40 PM
IP: pc20.huron.uwo.ca

*jumps in, kiss Jannie*
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SWEETHEART! I love you!
*kiss Jannie and jumps out*
Denis
Thursday, November 18, 1999 01:42:50 PM
IP: 212.166.1.12

other than gargs of course..
jenna again
Thursday, November 18, 1999 01:31:45 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Beast Machines- This show is pretty good. The animation is awesome, as is the writing. I don't know of any other show that has the kuhdos to tackle metaphysical topics.
jenna
Thursday, November 18, 1999 01:30:56 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Lots to comment to in here, but first thing is first--

Sorow--HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! 8D

Janie- you sound so cute when you talk about Denis- I know how it is :P

Warp- glad you got the em. As for the apt managment- don't pity them. You reap what you sow after all. They are either to lazy or incompetant to take care of there tenats, yet they big this huge office for themselves. I guess they want to sit in their palace and watch the serfs, huh?

Firestorm- actually it isn't the fact that Mike's stuff is tacky- it's that he saves everyting-- everything!! Sometimes though, that's really helped out. Most of his stuff is pretty cool: wolves, harleys, and fantasy, and elfquest.

Anne- good to hear that Sleepy Hollow was good. I want to see it even though I do know that it is only named after the short story by irving and has the horseman as the only similarity. Still, I'll look at it on it's own. I may see it at the dollar..

Hmmm-- while this topic is still in here, I will say it now..

PERMISSION TO MYST ANY OF MY FICS IS EXPRESSLIY DENIED
GIVEN THE SUBJECT MATTER OF MY CURRENT AND UPCOMING FICS IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRITE AT BEST.

there. That takes care of that.

Jannie- well, regarding l@yoffs- they fear them here because this is an oil and gas comp. Oil and Gas took a beating last year, but it seems to be on the rise. If the worse happens, I'll be okay- last year I got laid off three times. Once I was a victim of a drive by merger, one the assignment ended; and last I was working in a horrible yuppie office that wanted to clone everyone. Lot of politics there. (glad I'm out of that place, I've mentioned it in here before. That was were I was let go because I didn't take my job serously because I didn't want to be a career b!tch.)

One thing I did learn that year was how to survive. You know that old saying, "That which does not kill us...."

regarding pokemon cards- hmm, I remeber schools did the same with marbles in the 70s

Lucifer and Satan- well, I think they are the same, just differnt title. but to each his own.

Regarding Pokemon- Roll your eyes all you want people, I like this show. I think one of the reasons I like it is it's innocence. Everything is so dark and menacing either in RL or television, a little escape is welcome some time. I like the way Ash is not an a$$ with all these snappy come backs. He doesn't have an attitude, and he isn't perfect. He's a kid, a normal kid with no powers, but lots of heart. I like that.

After a long day of work, stuggling to fix the car for three hours, and having the management try to swindle us again, sitting and watching the pokemon Mike taped for me is like a breath of fresh air or a ray of sunshine. (yeah, I know it's corny)
jenna
Thursday, November 18, 1999 01:25:35 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Mara> I can't wait to read that..I'm getting my Manga via e-mail..part of a mailing list and I recently read parts of S.

Happy Birthday SORROW and PISSY

Transformers>I loved that show and my brother played with the toys.. I havent watched Beast Machines yet..I don't know why.
Heres more to the list

Grimlock=Dinobot t-rex
Sludge=Dinobot Apatosaurus
Slag=Dinobot Triceratops
Snarl=Dinobot Stegasaur
Swoop=Dinobot Pterodactyl

There were the Constructicons
The Predicons
Stuntacons

hmmm My brother once recieved the Transformers 3 mode Base
that transfromed into a battlestation and then in a huge robot, there were other two robots two. one changed into the Staruions head and the other one became the head's head.

The one thing I regret never getting is the Blueberry Muffin doll from strawberry Shortcake.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Thursday, November 18, 1999 01:19:41 PM
IP: ts001d20.orl-fl.concentric.net

*walks in, still dressed like Naga and carrying SD Xelloss-kun on her back
*

OH hohohohoho! Oh Hohohohoho! My this is fun.. right SD Xelloss-kun?

*SD Xelloss* Oi-oi...

MISTies: Dumb question, probably, but did Mara get permission to Mistie Matthew Watson's fic? Pretty funny stuff, true, but abit horrifying if done without his ok. Anybody ever Mistied my stuff would get it both barrels, cause a) I'm insecure about my writing as is, and b) I don't take bad criticism well (that's from years of being screamed at by family).

Answer:: Originally for The Beuatiful People (which was MiSTED by the Joel & bots crew, not the gargrrls) was not done with permission, and he wrote me about that. We talked and once he understood it was NOT a personal attact (seeing as I don't know the boy from Adam) he waas OK with it. In fact, i got an e-mail from him the other day saying he liked WEEDS and can't wait for Timelessness to be MiSTed. SO there *blows rasberry* HE and I are going to be doing something for Timelesssness but *waves no-no finger* is a secret.

Yup, Mina is Sailor Venus.

*SD XEL and Mara-Naga sing to the tune of I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus*

We saw Rei-chan kissing Minako-chan
Out in the playground this day
Mina didnt see
how Rei-chan crept up like a sheep
She was too busy fighting youma
with her hyper Cresent Beam.
And we saw Rei-chan turn into Barbara S.
As she screamed "i'll eat you up, you wild kity!"
Oh what a laugh it would have been,
if Darien had only seen
Rei-chan kissing Minak-chan last night!

*takes bows before running away from angry villagers who complain that the meter's terrible and the songs in teh wrong pentameter!*
Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:53:41 PM
IP: 143.55.129.157

GB> Well, it's not technically my list but, I thought that was a memoir. The full title is It Takes A Village To Watch My Husband.

Tom Hanks> Truthfully, the last movie I liked him in was The Burbs. But Forrest Gump was made to be MiSTed, so I did. (Though to my eternal regret. *I* wanted to go see Natural Born Killers, which was playing in the other theatre, but nooooo)

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:07:28 PM
IP: ppp-45.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

**Gside pays his bar tab and tips the hunchback**

As I have been welcomed twice, I feel it is time to introduce myself. First of all, sanity removal is unnecessary, as I have now seen mine in many years. I am now working on a double major in Computer Science and Computer Engineering, and I feel it is about time the CR got some left brainers in here.

This may interest SOROW, Mr. Boker, and the Bando: I have recently finished my 5th marching season (http://bands.rutgers.edu/).

Enough about me, time for my first replies (I feel so excited):

SOROW>vectors: As an engineer, I have learned vectors somewhere around 7 times. My roomies and I have concluded that we should get vector certified so we don't have to go to that first lecture when you learn about vectors.

p.s. For the link, try to find my picture (not for the faint of heart):). Only an engineer would post a link to his physics class.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:54:23 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Spoiling Becca > aww, it's not as bad as that made it sound; she just came home from shopping with quite a few trinkets. Nothing too big.

Spike > Did you get him the tan pants to go with it? ; )

Warpmind > upon much consideration, I think I'd rather decline a public MiSTing, thanks.

Re: Vampires > let me clarify -- I'm an _emotional_ vampire; I don't do the fang thing (except on the occasional Halloween). And being nocturnal is a job-enforced lifestyle choice ; )

Tom Hanks > I haven't seen any of his big movies -- Saving Private Ryan, Forrest Gump, even Apollo 13. But I am very much looking forward to The Green Mile, because it means that they're gonna so right by SK this time. Much more Shawshank Redemption than Tommyknockers, thank goodness!

Green Baron > I see you've brought Blackadder into things; funny, a crossover is on my list of upcoming stories!

Avalon Mists > deadline is next Wednesday and I've gotten very few submissions! Please send them soon!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:49:24 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

RP WARNING!!!
**BlackAdder Estate
While Percy and Baldrick try to capture Reverend Attila, some other guards, the scouts decide to use teh distraction to look for Pinochet. The five split up and look for his room, while each individual scout is followed by one of Ted Turner's goons. Christopher Hitchens follows Brigitte, while Judge Garzon (the guy trying to send Pinochet to Spain) follows Bernadette. Angelica is followed by Unabomber, one of the new planeteers, Therese is followed by Lord Melchett, the bank manager who will soon own BlackAdder Estate, and Ave Maria is under the watch of Calvin, the Orange Duke's evil line dancing pet hamster. Eventually, Bernadette finds Pinochet in a locked room guarded by two crazy-looking men in white robes that appear to have been involved with the Heaven's Gate cult. As soon as she tries to blast open the lock, Balthasar Garzon grabs her and gags her.
"I have you, now. Pinochet will be taken to Spain and imprisoned for thwarting our plots to make Chile another Cuba, so we could launch our attack into America, but now we shall do that, and soon Spain shall recapture her glory as we butt our noses into Latin America and retake nations we cannot afford to govern. Our old Empire shall be restored and you capitalist pigs will not be able to stop us."
The other socuts are grabbed at the same time, except for Ave Maria who is under the trance of Clavin's line dancing, until the Estate's current owner, Lord Edmund Blackadder, grabs her.
"You may wonder why I have my power back. It's simple. We cut a deal with the Labour Party some years back, and certain oldliners have offered me this power an dmoney to replace Tony Blair with one more suited to the old line of the Labour Party. I shall serve on the Cabinet."
"Yes, let's return to the old Labour Party and bankrupt jolly old England. Well, it was good, because it led the people to come to tehir senses and elect Margaret Thatcher,"
Attila jeered at BlackAdder. As he talked, Percy and Bladrick almost had him, but he darted a few feet away and the two bumblers nettes themselves.
"Don't just stand there, you village idiots. Get that cat!"
The scouts were captured and Attila was evading capture, but ten Heavne's Gate cultists appeared in the courtyard. Attila needed a plan, but what. He looked at they yard and saw that it could be a golf course.**
TO BE CONTINUED

Stormy> Well, Lucifer was some culture's god of light, but you may be right about Lucifer and Satan being different demons. Milton alludes to that, and let's not foget Mephistopheles and Beelzebub. That habit of mixing them up was shown when some people saw the Exorcist and thought Stan possessed Reagan, though it was Pazuzu, an Assyrian Wind Demon. BTW, Beelzebub was the Assyrian god of Flies, which is why he was later called "Lord of the Flies", though Golding used Beelzebub as a Lucifer figure.

Entity>I haven't read Memnoch the Devil (is that Anne Rice) or seen Dogma. I don't know if I would take Dogma seriously, but Smith may have been accurate in describing the hierarchy.

Jewel> Let me guess. You read about that in The Kaballah, right? A Fan told me something about a figure named The Satan who is some sort of prosecutor of the dead according to Jewish law. I imagine they are seperate beings, but inmodern age, things have been dumbed down and we just seem to forget that there is more than one demon about, like how so many people didn't know the villain in The Exorcist was Pazuzu.

BTW, you're quite welcome, but I'm just being honest :)

JackaL> Well, I admit that was tough in retrospect to other punishmnets, but maybe we can use this as a strating point to get tougher on bad kids. Now, we just need to have parents use a can of whoop@$$ when their kids misbehave.

Coyote> I might consider the MiST idea. Maybe have Attila captured by Ted Turner and forced to read fanfic, with a few otehr unfortunates, though I can see Attila more likely to make others read the fics.

Gside> Welcome to the insnaity.

Janine> Here's a funy ticket Buchanan/Jackson 2000. Let's really screw up free trade :)

Sevarius Jr> I agree with you on Speilburg. I find him to be an obnoxious Clinton-loving sycophant, along with Tom Hanks. When I saw how big Tom Hanks's donation to Clinton's Legal Defense Fund, I immediately pictured Forrest Gump giving Slick Willie a check saying, "Stupid is as stupid does." :)

Ken Hamblin worte a book called Pick a Better Country basically saying that the country isn't perfect, but find a better place. I agree with your opinions of Hanks and Speilberg for the most part, but I just feel differnetly about the Memorial. I'm surprised you missed my little quip about Speilberg and WWII, though :)

Jewel> I was looking in US News and World Report, and it said Microsoft's Empire includes a portion of Dreamworks. Scary, huh :)

Anne> Have you posted any fics, yet. I have one that I worte, but I just need to type onto my computer and have it edited. It will be a lost episode of the Avalon Tour.

Firestorm> I actually like Angela :) In my firts attempt at fanfic, I made a story about a Mary Sue character who got Angela's attention, so to speak. I think Todd and Chrstine read it. It was bad,s o I nixed, but now I wish I stillhad it, so I could give it to Mara for a well deserved MiSTing.

Wilek> $Maybe in the RPs, DiCaprio can run afoul of OJ Simpson$

SOROW> Happy Birthday. Now, what do you want me to give you for your Birthday :) ::hugs and a few spankings::

SOUTH PARK SPOILERS
::This epsiode should really get soem laughs out of Tim Phipps. The show amde fun of Pat Robertson and CBN as a whole. At first, the Sister part surprised me since I though this was a nun,a nd I was hoping he'd blast those nuns without habits, but this was much better. Starvin' Marvin was good in his quest to find a new place for his nation, though I doubt Australia would be that willing to allow that many people to emigrate. The accnets were funny, though. Sally Struthers was perfect as Jabba the Hut and carbonizing Kenny was the best death yet. The end was also funny considering the recent talk of Jesse Jackson when Cartman said that they'd visit when Jesse Jackson became President.::
END SPOLIERS

Aaron> You forgot It Takes a Village in your list :)

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:04:59 AM
IP: 141.164.77.32

Stormy> So Lucifer isn't the devil eh? Cool. That means it's still possible to tie the Preacher and Sandman universes together.

Pistoff> Congratulations! You've survived another year.

SJ> If he's the guy who directed the Ian McKellan/Nazi version of Richard III, I think you won't be disappointed.

SOROW>I HATED physics. It was one of only two classes I ever failed.

Warpmind> Good luck with the MiST thing, it'll probably be easier then mine, which would've required the permission of a huge number of fic authors, and then I'd have to spend a month doing nothing but reading fic so my characters could visit more places then the five or six fic verses I'm farmiliar with. And who is Drift, BTW? The only hermephrodite I remember from the endless was Desire.

Death> I've always found that to be one of the greatest ironies of the Sandman universe. Not only is Death cute, she's the nicest one of the endless. Think about it: Destiny's almost completely emotionless, Desire's a b!tch, Despair's a downer, Delerium's disturbing just to be around, Destruction's okay, but kind of a flake, and Dream... Well, who knows *what* Dream's thinking most of the time.

TJ Veil> Remember the first time KFC had the toys and Colonel Sanders went around saying Po-kay-mon.

Christine> Forgive me, I must have missed something. Last time I looked, you wanted to be talked out of writing that story. My bad.

Scarlet just sent me these, so I thought I'd share them.

hildren's Books That Just Didn't Make It...

1. You Are Different And That's Bad
2. The Boy Who Died From Eating All His Vegetables
3. Dad's New Wife, Robert
4. Fun Four-Letter Words to Know and Share
5. Hammers, Screwdrivers & Scissors: An I-Can-Do-It Book
6. The Kid's Guide to Hitchhiking
7. Kathy Was So Bad Her Mom Stopped Loving Her
8. Curious George and the High-Voltage Fence
9. All Cats Go to Hell
10. The Little Sissy Who Snitched
11. Some Kittens Can Fly
12. That's It, I'm Putting You Up For Adoption
13. The Magic World Inside the Refrigerator
14. Let's Visit a Crematorium
15. Garfield Gets Feline Leukemia
16. The Pop-Up Book of Human Anatomy
17. Strangers Have the Best Candy
18. Whining, Kicking and Crying to Get Your Way
19. You Were an Accident
20. Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will
21. Pop! Goes the Hamster...And Other Great Microwave Games
22. The Man in the Moon is Actually Satan
23. Your Nightmares Are Real
24. Where Would You Like to be Buried?
25. Eggs, Toilet Paper and Your School
26. Why Can't Mr. Fork and Ms. Electrical Outlet Be Friends?
27. Places Where Mommy and Daddy Hide Neat Things
28. Twenty Rope Tricks to Try on Little Sister
29. Daddy Drinks Because You Cry
30. Fun Questions to Ask Mommy While Waiting in Line

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:52:26 AM
IP: ppp-45.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Okay, brief check-in.

T.J.Veil: I fear I haven't had the pleasure of seeing Delirium... though, I'll have to admit, Drift seems to be an odd character... a hermaphrodite, if I haven't misinterpreted the whole deal... but I doubt I'll ever get over Death's first appearance. "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", I think the word was...? Indeed...

The Second Creativity Demon:
Christmas Eve. Two men are looking up at the night sky when one of them spots something high above.
"Is it a bird?"
"No."
"Is it a plane?"
"Nope."
"Oooh, hey, is it Superman?"
".... Naah, it ain't him either..."
"Then it must be..."
(Both gasp)
"SANTA CLAUS!!!"

Please don't hate me, guys...

Well, I gotta go.

Catch you later, everyone. (Unless someone catches me first, that is.)
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, November 18, 1999 07:03:19 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Sorrow> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! =) Hope you have a wonderful day and receive many gifts and suprises! My best gift is that I'm going to talk to my Denis on the phone later this morning! *giggles*
Jannie
Thursday, November 18, 1999 07:02:24 AM
IP: 196-107.c.esc4.net

Hi all!!

Pistoff:HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

Jannie re Top 15 best things to say if you get caught sleeping at your desk:*ROTFLMAO*:)

Jenna:<<we turned in our notice. the management here is whining that we didn't give them there thiry days, and they want to keep our deposit, and give us a bad rep. Boy, did that get us fired up- Mikes' gonna see them tomorrow- amazing how those greedy swine droppped everything once they heard they weren't going to get their money- Ha! Joke's on them>>Good for you:)

Jessie:Congratulations:)

Wilek re Transformers figures:<<You too? :) I never got a lot of the ones I had my eye on either, though I did get a lot of them (notably Galvatron, the Seacons, Metroplex, and I think that one guy's name is Ultra Magnus, the car carrier truck dude).>>Cool a fellow collecter:),I had a lot of them as well(I still do)lets see if I can remember them all...(Note these are all originals)
I had Optimus Prime,Starscream,Metroplex,Jetfire(called skyfire on the show for some reason),Ramjet,Wheeljack,Soundwave and two tapes Buzzsaw and Ravage,Bumblebee,Sunstreaker,Sideswipe,all of the Aerialbots,all of the Combaticons,Bombshell(Insecticon),Brawn,Jazz,Sludge(Dinobot),Powerglide...thats all I can remember at the moment although I did have more than that,I was also insanely envious of a friend of mine a long time ago who had Omega Supreme(remember him).Do you remember which ones you had?

Goodnight all!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Thursday, November 18, 1999 06:08:58 AM
IP: exip-t-009-p-212-32.tmns.net.au

Warpmind - I have to agree that in The Sandman, Death is probably the hottest character in the series, which is one of the many inherent ironies. My favorite character though is probably Delirium. She has some of the funniest and the most profound lines, some of which fit in both categories. One of my favorite scenes from the series has to be the following scene when Dream and Delirium are approaching Pharamond's secretary in Brief Lives:

Secretary: Can I have a name?
Delirium: Don't you have one? That's sad. Not haveing a name. I used to have one name, then I had to get another one. If you don't have a name, what do people call you? I mean, do they just wave and smile, or jingle little silver bells or what?
Secretary: Can I have YOUR names?
Delirium: You don't want my name. Trust me. You really don't. Sometimes I don't want my name, and I'm sort of used to it by now. It would really mess you up.
Secretary (to Dream): I'm sorry. Is this person with you?
Delirium: I'm not a person.

Toku (on judges) - Actually, if a judge doesn't like the verdict, they can't do anything about it unless the attorney's make the first move. And although what you describe may be the current application of the law, it is not the intent of the law. Of course, intent and application have nothing to do with each other in today's society.

SJ - I feel for you about the porno guy. I'm lucky that the policy here, at least in the comp sci labs, is that if you get caught viewing 'offensive' materials you will first be asked to stop, then be asked to leave if you don't. Repeated offenses can get limitations placed on the student's access account.

jewel - I've read The Dream Hunters. It's an excellent story, although it is fairly morbid. But then, what can you expect from a series that's token hot chick is Death.

Mandi - I feel for you about that editor. That didn't sound like a petty rant at all. More like a fully justified one. She should be fired (preferably with gasoline and matches).

A brief personal rant. At one point I thought that nothing could be more annoying than Pokemon. Then I heard about the Pokemon movie, at which point I thought there could be nothing more annoying than the movie. Now, I have been forced to reconsider. With the influx of commercials for the movie and movie related products, I can't believe the sheer stupidity of the advertisers in the simple fact that over 90% of the commercials, including some of those for the movie, don't even pronounce the damn word 'Pokemon' correctly. The variations range from Pokeemon to Pokuhmon to Pokemen, and that's just a few. Can't they even pronounce the name of their own damn product? What kind of illiterates to we have that don't recognize that there is an accent over the e. It's a long A sound. And if I hear it wrong one more frickin' time I'm gonna hit something.

Stephen - If you're story get's published in the e-zene be sure to let us know. I hope it does.

Titanic 2 - Oh no, not another three hours of utter drek. I think the most amusing thing I've seen about the movie Titanic was a comic in which a bunch of sharks are in the theater commenting on how much they love movies with happy endings.

Jesse Jackson - I personally have a very intense dislike for the man. Sure he's done some good things over the years, but even then everything he does is to draw the spotlight to himself. The truly great people are those that do the sort of things he does and don't care whether they get credit for it. I think he's just a stuck up prick.

jenna - Glad you're getting a better apartment. That sort of thing makes the pain of packing worthwhile. Hopefully you won't have any serious problems with your current landlord. Oh, and the B5 episode is from early season three titled 'Passing Through Gethsemane.' It's probably my favorite non-arc episode, possibly because it seems to have shades of the Twilight Zone.

Neverwhere - I'm glad to see that this movie is moving along. I think the biggest problem with the BBC version was that it was low budget. Some of the actors were very good in it though. I especially liked the Marquis and Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemere. Those two were just plain creepy. I think the biggest problem actingwise was in the characters with the smaller roles. Also, I didn't think the guy that did Islington was that great.

Jessie - Congrats. You can never have too many cousins. Especially cute little ones.

Thought for the Day:
"Sorry, I was lost in thought. It was new territory for me."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 05:43:10 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Xanathar> <> You too? :) I never got a lot of the ones I had my eye on either, though I did get a lot of them (notably Galvatron, the Seacons, Metroplex, and I think that one guy's name is Ultra Magnus, the car carrier truck dude).

Christine> <<actually I'm kinda lukewarm on the whole thing because I never watched the show in the first place.>> Heh...I've only seen one or two eps; I think we've both missed a lot. :)

Green Baron> <<How about Titanic: The Series :)>> Does that mean we'd get to see Leo die every week? 8)

Coyote> <<Mandi's editor: Better idea ... let's each grab a limb and pull. :)>> <muhaha> Or maybe tie each limb to a motorcycle and have each rider go off in a different direction? >:)

Gside> Welcome! :D Go let Deuce suck your sanity out of your head. It's not as if you need it. (Your sanity I mean. You need your head.)

Pistoff> Happy birthday lad! :D <hands him a gift-wrapped v2.0 long-range cattle prod with a micro-fusion reactor> Enjoy. >:)

Jessie> Wow...Congratulations on the new cousin! :D

Warpmind> Star Wars creativity demon> ROTFL!!! :D
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, November 18, 1999 05:12:38 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Ooooooooouuuuuugggghhhh! Finally got my email working again. Turns out the ISP people had decided to start upgrading the system while that major phone line was down. It finally started working this evening, so I guess thost dumb bastards get to live another day or two...

OH man, I missed a lot. Just have time for a few replies, then I'll do the rest tomorrow... Ack, where do I start...? eek! Well, I guess I'll start with...

Thanks, everybody, for the happy birthday wishes. :) I'm 26 today...but quite often I feel older. O_o *takes the remote control from Coyote and giggles insanely, pressing a button* Thanks, bud. :)

Okay, quick response to the first thing I noticed when I checked in here...

Fire Storm: <<What are your opinions of Angelas looks?>> Hmm...I guess she looks okay. There's something about her forehead and hairline that I've always found disturbing, for some reason I can't really pin down. I sorta like her personality, though it's a little _too_ soft and sweet. (That changed in my ficverse, though--the night after Demona almost released her bioengineered plague, Angela showed up at Desting Manor and beat the living $h!t out of her. Angie hasn't been the same since that night... ;) But as far as looks go, most people would consider her "lovely" or whatever...but if I could choose between her and Ari Brooks, I'd definitely choose Ari. Heh, Beak is Beautiful. *g*

Dags: Glad you enjoyed the beauty rant. :) And I know how you feel, regarding the customer who didn't have his card. At Pizza Hut, we've got a new policy that requires a work phone number on the check, if the customer has one. Of course, most of the customers get really belligerant when we ask for the work number. One of the other drivers had a customer throw the pizzas at him when he asked for the number. I know it's annoying, but it's the company policy. The drivers had nothing to do with the decision, but we're the ones who always get nailed to the cross.... Sorry about all the other work problems, too, especially the guy who wanted the porno tapes. *sighs* I don't understand why people spend so much money on that crap, anyway. Far as I'm concerned, porno is for people who have no imagination, or are just too stupid to use what little imagination they might have. It's really pitiful....

Heh, you can probably tell that I'm picking these at random as I scroll down to find my earlier post, so I can start with the first response after that. My brain's not working properly right now....

SJ: Thanks, and I agree about Pamela Anderson Lee--I think she's hideous. Never found her attractive at all. Maybe if she'd stayed with all her original parts...but no, she had to get those implants that looked completely fake...and her voice just grates on my nerves. She and Tommy Lee deserve each other. Y'know who I think is hot? Sigourney Weaver. She has no lips at all, a horrendous underbite, and the chest of a 12-year-old boy...but she's successful anyway, been in some great movies, and that badass attitude she had in the "Aliens" films...hoo-ah! Whenever I look at her...*BOIOIOIOIOIOINNNNG!!" :)

But then, I look at Ari again... *sigh* She's got Sigourney beat. :D

*yawn* Jeez...almost 1:30 in the morning. Gotta get some sleep. I'll do more replies tomorrow...

"The White House has always attracted the mentally ill." --Secret Serviceman Vincent Charles, explaining why security was heightened around the White House
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 04:25:10 AM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com

Hokay, guys, checking in, as usual.

Christine: Now, quite frankly... those two fics of yours I did... you ARE the only living person I know of who have seen them... maybe except for your hubby... And I doubt I'll even post those anywhere in plain sight... but I take it an official MiSTing of one of your 'fics is okay, then? As for the picture of Amber... Awwwww.... ;)

Jenna: Got your mail... thanks, it sure lightened up my day. (I don't get e-mails too often...)

Green Baron: Hey, careful... if Titanic ran as a series, DiCaprio wouldn still be swimming...

Mara: Thanks for the translation... that'll give me a few cheap laughs... ;) Sore wa himitsu desu... hehehehehe...

Spike: Well, if you haven't received any e-mail requesting permission to MiST one of your fics, the LAN server here must have swallowed it. Wouldn't be the first time. *Warpmind picks up a rather large axe, and pulls up his sleeves.* So, I guess I'll just have to go down to the basement and do some "reprogramming", then. And on a side note... MiSTing your work would, from my side, never be intended as any form of mockery, rather like a clumsy form of praise, if you get my drift... But, never the less, I'll respect your decision. Oh, well, could have been worse, I could have gotten further than writing the introduction sequence... I could have been half-way through the thing. I guess I'll have to turn to other sources, then... and I had a few good puns lined up, too... *Sighs* But, I guess those were never meant to be.

Pissy: It's your birthday? Funny, I kinda imagined you to have more like hatched or something... ;) Congrats, oh Founder of the Joyride...

Coyote: Appreciate the offer, bud. I might take you up on it... and I feel the same way as you do about MiSTing of my work... heck, on that subject, I'll have a first-man-to-the-mill policy. I'll keep your offer in mind, though. And feel free to work out a few laughs at my expanse... uh, I mean expense, of course...

Jenna: I almost pity those guys in management... almost...

Fire Storm: You suffered from a 20 Meg HD? All is forgiven, friend... As for Windows... that does not mean lack of space, that means WASTE of space... Windows 95... Just another pane in the glass... As for those physics calculations... how does that affect those who can break wooden boards with their forehead? *Suddenly imagining a student headbutting himself in the crotch.* Ouuuuuch...

Well, then on to more entertaining stuff:
**BRIEF REVIEW OF "ZOMBIES OF THE GENE POOL"**
Well, to be frank, this book was not quite the book "Bimbos" was, but worth reading nonetheless. The plot was quite good, the surprises were, well, surprising, and there was scant space between the laughs (or time, if you prefer) and groaners. As in "Bimbos", a murder occurs, and Jay Omega, aided by his lovely Marion, saves the day by use of unconventional means of investigation... and there's a real good surprise in the last chapter. As for that... Sore wa himitsu desu. *Winks at Mara.* Recommended material for those who liked "Bimbos of the Death Sun".
**REVIEW END**

And now for a couple of Creativity Demons:
Creativity Demon #1:
The scene toward the end of The Empire Strikes Back:
Darth Vader: "Join me, Luke, and we can rule the galaxy as mother and son!"
Brief pause.
Darth Vader: "GEORGE! Someone's been monkeying about with my script again!"

Creativity Demon #2:
Hmmm... on second thought, that one may be a bit too much to digest at the moment... I'll leave it for later...

Catch y'all later, oh dear CR residents.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, November 18, 1999 04:04:53 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Xellos/Demona shrine???? Why would someone do something like that?.. "THAT... is a secret"

Pistoff - Happy belated birthday!
CrzyDemona
Thursday, November 18, 1999 03:27:53 AM
IP: 209.150.94.68

SORROW: DERN IT! I just re-checked my math. I thought v=at^2, but it is just v=at.
So to travel the .25 meters from upright to the table still takes .16 seconds, but your head hits the table at about 1.6 meters per second.
Hmm... yep, that WOULD hurt, wouldn't it?
Fire Storm
Thursday, November 18, 1999 02:32:38 AM
IP: 216.90.45.179

Pistoff: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
What are your opinions of Angelas looks? (If you do not like her because everyone likes her just because she is pretty, then you would probally like to hear that I do not like her.)

Spike: TGS: Ok. Thanks for the info. I just figured that, at the very least, it would be polite to ask the author of the story along with the organization that published it.

Warpmind: <Fire Storm grabs the paddle and makes a overhand swing at Warpmind. The paddle whaps Warpmind on the head, and Fire Storm curses and rubs the back of his head>
Damn it... I hate tennis.
Bonnieway...
HEY! I frequently filled up my 20meg HD when I was running Winblows 3.1! Talk about lack of space...
I wanted to play a game that required an ABSOLUTE minimum of 20 megs, so I had to completely wipe my HD so I could play the game. I could NOT quit the game because it saved a file about 40k in size, then the game would not start again unless I re-installed the game.

Coyote: Execution Cake^TM People: Why don't they call MIOSHA and demand a forklift? <G>

Jenna: Packing: Remember, when you are packing, place the dishes and the china under the television, ok? <G>
And "It must have gotten lost in the move" is NOT a legitimate excuse to throw away his things that annoy you! (EG: Light made out of a manequin leg, Budweiser mirror, The Spool Table...)

Mara Cordova: Rei kissing Mina? Hmm... Now, where's those books at Borders... <G>
(Mina=Sailor Venus, right?)

SORROW: Just remember this when you are falling asleep in class:
When your head drops the .25 meters to the desk from sitting and you do not try to stop it before it hits the hard desk, it will be traveling at approx .25 meters per second. That may not sound like much, but since the table will not give flex much when your head hits the table, the inertia that your head built up in that .16 seconds will be enough to leave a nasty bruise on your head.
<Maniacal laughter>
If you want, check my math!
<Yet more maniacal laughter>
Man... I LOVE toruturing people with physics!

I do physics calcualtions for fun! (EG: If you were rotating at 1RPM, at what radius would the outward acceleration be 9.8m/s? (NOTE: 9.8m/s is 1G)
Hmmm? <G>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 02:09:28 AM
IP: 216.90.45.175

Ack...double post!

Pistoff> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :)
Anne
MN, USA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:31:56 AM
IP: 209-130-164-199.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Hi everybody :)

I just got to see "Sleepy Hollow" tonight from Mall of America and it's a really good movie--scary, funny, romantic, serious, and also freaky, everything that a good movie should be. The guy that plays the headless horseman is very, very scary--he has fangs (please take no offense Christine and all other vampires) and huge gray eyes and an ugly leer that makes the demons we see on "Buffy" look like mere mushrooms. I searched for "Princess Monooke" but the theatre isn't playing it anymore, so I'll be looking for it in other theatres :(

Green Baron> Since "Future Tense" took forty years, the fanfic has been folded into four different series or else three, each one containing forty or seventy stories in each taking place after the last but rolling towards Future Tense. I've just started on #1 "Distrust", which I'll post up once I finish and edit it. "Distrust" will be a short simple story but introduces Queen Mab, Oberon's mother, hinting the clan about things to come. #2, "New Fates", will probably be the real beginning of the future for the clan.

Well, I've been avoiding this too long, but we've had Dusk Till Dawn 3: The Hangman's Daughter, for about a week now. My dad used to work at Video Update and they'd send us things before they hit video stores but after my dad quit movies stopped coming, and Dusk Till Dawn 3 is probably the last order that came in. The reason I've been avoiding it is because the first one was awesome, but the second one was just plain bad, horrible actually. And if they've ruined the first movie yet again with the third installment, I'll be more then angry *shrugs* I think I'll post tonight after I see the movie and give ratings.

Bye all! :)
Anne
MN, USA
Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:21:24 AM
IP: 209-130-164-199.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Happy Birthday, Pistoff!

And guess what--I'm in an incredibly good mood right now, because I just found out my aunt had a baby girl today. About a week early, and perfectly heathly. Named Bobbi Marie, I think. This is really great, because this particular aunt has been trying to have children for about ten years now...she was unable to conceive. Then, she and her husband began to try for adoption...last spring, she announced she was pregnant! With no fertility treatment or anything...truly a little miracle. So happy birthday to Bobbi, too! :D
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:18:45 AM
IP: ctrts2-6.mrs.umn.edu

Jannie> Are you ready for our birthday tomorrow?! :)

Pistoff> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! We all love you very much and hope you'll stay forever! I guess you know what your present from me is ;) *warms up hand*

ironwolf> Did I wish you a happy birthday on Monday? I can't seem to remember if I did and I had it written down. Well, if I did forget...HAPPY BIRTHDAY! *hugs*

JackaL> :)

FireStorm> Physics From Hell 101. Yeah, it's general physics (laws of motion, gravity) but we're studying vectors right now and I want them to DIE!!!!!!!

SJ> You are very, VERY welcome ;)
SOROW
Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:14:01 AM
IP: dll2a020-0420.splitrock.net

Jesse Jackson: Many of you are right, what he did was nothing but a publicity stunt, which I realized immediately after I posted my earlier comment. Jackson doesn't care about a little arrest for protesting, and it only makes him look better. He's being an opportunist here. I expect that kind of behavior from Al Sharpton, I am sorry to see it come from Jesse.
While I think Jackson has done some great things in the past, I do not like at all what he is doing now. I am unsure of his true motives (unless they are merely just to improve his self-image), but I feel campaigning for these kids is totally misguided. None of us saw the whole video of the incidents there--not only did those kids beat the other student brutally, they then proceeded to heed nature's call and urinate on him. If I was the principal, I'd have kicked them out too. I'd have shut the door so fast on them they'd still have splinters stuck in their ass.

Green Baron: I bleed red, white, and blue. I actually have gotten in trouble before (in here, no less, with certain members of the CR who shall remain nameless....they aren't in here anyway) because at times I am what some may call "overly-patriotic". As bad as America may be, on its worse day it's a MILLION times better than someplace like Iraq. I still think we're the greatest nation on Earth. I doubt feel bad in believing that; I consider it a trade off for the fact that so much of the rest of the world hates the USA. But I'm sure other citizens of other countries feel the same way about their own homeland.
But I can't stand Tom Hanks. I feel he's one of the most self-righteous a-holes in the entire business. This isn't an overnight thing, either. Go back to when he first won his first Oscar--that's when the change from "Tom Hanks, funny guy actor" to "Tom Hanks, most important man in showbiz" happened. Like I said, he wants to build a memorial, build it his own damn self. I agree, there should be a memorial, but I find it very, very hard to see a man with more money in his sock drawer than I'll ever see in my entire LIFETIME go out and beg for MY dough to build a memorial that no doubt costs less (even if it costs several mill) than his last paycheck. [And if you want, to sort of go along with your Spielberg comments, he's a leftist Clinton-ass-kisser]. If you like the guy, that's fine, but I...I can't bring myself to care about him at all.

X-Files: Folks, that was NOT "the Kiss". Of course it wasn't, why would it be? That's the way the Kiss SHOULD be, a nice, friendly peck on the forehead to show non-sexual affection between friends. But no, it's an upcoming episode (the one guest-starring Lance Henriksen, actually) where they neck like two horny 9th graders. Forgive the extra bitterness and contempt.

MISTies: Dumb question, probably, but did Mara get permission to Mistie Matthew Watson's fic? Pretty funny stuff, true, but a bit horrifying if done without his ok. Anybody ever Mistied my stuff would get it both barrels, cause a) I'm insecure about my writing as is, and b) I don't take bad criticism well (that's from years of being screamed at by family).

Jewel: Did you hear they got a director for Neverwhere? Guy by the name of Richard Loncrane. Never heard of him, but he supposedly directed "Richard III" or something. The budget's clocking in at about 30 mill. Not too bad, could be better. Here's hoping it's better than the BBC miniseries, which I understand wasn't that great.
BTW, just for fun, who could you picture in any of the roles? ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:07:27 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

" Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that *your* copies of Slayers
and Slayers NEXT are subtitled as opposed to dubs? ;)"

Because the dubs of Sailor Moon have taught me that out of the two, always choose the subtitled version. Besides... I like how people sound when they talk in Japanese...

Speaking of Sailor Moon, if you collect the manga there's a new SuperS book out, which is great cuz it has the little short stories about the girls during the time they study for their high school entrance exams. There's even a part when Rei (possessed by the spirit Barbara S.) goes yuri (lesbian) and tries to kiss several girls at her school, including Mina!!! It's hilarious!

*SD Rei-chan appears out of no where and chases SD Angie-chan around the comment room before eventually vanishing*

Well.. that was... *special*

**suddenly sees Mara in the Naga costume and doing Naga's trademark
laugh** Oh no, you can do that laugh too?? **writhes on the floor** ;)
j/k

Naga's laugh... the only force on earth that can destroy a galaxy...

Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:34:43 PM
IP: spider-we052.proxy.aol.com

Sorry for the double post, but just received this in an email and thought it was funny. Wanted to share :)

Top 15 best things to say if you get caught sleeping at your desk:

15. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen."

14. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in the last
time management course you sent me to."

13. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the liquid paper"

12. "I wasn't sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and
envisioning a new paradigm!"

11. "This is one of the seven habits of highly effective people!"

10. "I was testing the keyboard for drool resistance"

9. "Actually I'm doing a "Stress Level Elimination Exercise Plan" (SLEEP) I
learned it at the last mandatory seminar you made me attend.

8. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve work related
stress."

7. "Darn! Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to
our biggest problem."

6. "The coffee machine is broken...."

5. "Someone must've put decaf in the wrong pot."

4. "Boy, that cold medicine I took last night just won't wear off!"

3. "Ah, the unique and unpredictable circadian rhythms of the workaholic!"

2. "I wasn't sleeping, I was trying to pick up a contact lens without
hands."

AND THE #1 BEST THING TO SAY IF YOU GET CAUGHT SLEEPING AT YOUR DESK:

1. "Amen"
Jannie
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:18:14 PM
IP: 196-210.c.esc4.net

Green Baron> loved your comments concerning Jesse Jackson *chuckles* true.. so probably true!

Sevarius Jr.> you commented that you felt as if the arrest of Jesse Jackson was extreme. He was told beforehand that if he stepped on the property, he would be arrested. He made that decision the moment he stepped onto the property. Of course, that's exactly what he wanted done to him - in hopes of bringing more media attention to himself. *rolls eyes*
I do agree with your assessment on the lack of discipline in the schools. :)
From what I understand - these boys have been offered a reduced expulsion till the end of this school year and serve time in the alternative school... but they've refused. I am not sure what they are asking for - no punishment? (I don't know.)

Spacebabie> you asked why the Garbage Pail kid cards were not banned from school and yet Pokemon has been. I don't recall any stabbings or fights occuring over the GPK cards. There has been over Pokemon cards. Technically speaking - toys are not allowed at school anyway and the playing cards are classified as toys. I know that we don't allow playing cards of any kind to be brought to school - Pokemon are just the most recent ones. *shrugs*

Update on the Current Event's test... the boy who wrote "penus"... he was trying to write "penal system" - he had heard that in another topic of current events.. *L*
*shakes head* ohyeah.. I do love my job! *snickers*

Jenna> packing..*shudders at the memories* The only good thing about moving is that my house gets a thorough cleaning! *L*
On your job situation - if they merge, will you loose your job since you are a temp employee? (or least have a greater chance of loosing it)
Jannie
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 10:46:41 PM
IP: 196-210.c.esc4.net

Ugh- well, my car over heated and Mike spent the past 2 hours getting it to work again. Ugh,

and we turned in our notice. the management here is whining that we didn't give them there thiry days, and they want to keep our deposit, and give us a bad rep. Boy, did that get us fired up- Mikes' gonna see them tomorrow- amazing how those greedy swine droppped everything once they heard they weren't going to get their money- Ha! Joke's on them-

Mike will give em hell!!
jenna
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 10:15:58 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-37.hstntx.swbell.net

Found: creativity demon

Somehow, a creativity demon found its way to an engineer, and as everyone knows, the habitat of engineers is extremely hazardous to creativity demons of this breed. Please, this creativity demon needs a home.

As the works of Shakespear are extremely prevalent in the Gargoyles universe, I have been wondering about the placement of certain characters, specifically Falstaff from the Henry IVs. For those who don't know, Falstaff is an old, fat, drunk, lewd, knight who is the price's companion. Would Falstaff be a garg whit similar traits, like Othello and co.? Then it hit me, what was Macbeth doing in the early 1400s? Perhaps he was going through a bad point in his life. Or, even better, Shakespeare got it wrong again and Macbeth was actually teaching the prince on how to work with the people.

Thank you
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 09:58:06 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

**takes off his shiny new BWH, tips it to Stephen and puts it back on** Thanks, bruddah! :)

Spacebabie, re: Garbage Pail Kids: I definitely remember them (and in fact have one friend who uses both versions of "Blasted Bill" as the top images on his Website). They have got to be heads and shoulders above Pokemon on the disgust-and-total-disrespect-o-meter.

Fire Storm: Sweet! I'll be looking forward to gettin' 'em ...

Mara: Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that *your* copies of Slayers and Slayers NEXT are subtitled as opposed to dubs? ;)
BTW, Slayers fans, check out page 3 of the most recent Generation X comic, released today. Something tells me also that Terry Dodson (GenX artist) is a Slayers fan as well, because he put an image of Lina Inverse on a character's shirt (colors changed to make her a blonde, but she's recognizable enough. :).

Mandi: Whew ... boy, you guys need an editorial shakeup, like, now. This Lizz person doesn't seem like she really wants to do her job. Of course, that's probably the understatement of the soon-to-be-ended millennium ...
Seriously, though, I sympathize. Hope things start looking up for the mag soon. :)

Wilek, re: Mandi's editor: Better idea ... let's each grab a limb and pull. :)

Pissy: Ohhh, a birthday! WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!
**moving crew pulls another Execution^TM cake into the CR, stopping to briefly catch their breath before leaving. Tosses a remote to Pistoff** Pick yer flavor. :)

Warpmind: I offered before, I'll offer again. Not only do I allow folks to MST my works ... I actually *encourage* it (ask Mara and Cyrway, they've either MSTed my works (Mara's take on "Sleepover") or have one in the works (Cyrway's working on Tome 1)). If nobody lets you, I will. Just pick something that hasn't been done yet. :)

**suddenly sees Mara in the Naga costume and doing Naga's trademark laugh** Oh no, you can do that laugh too?? **writhes on the floor** ;) j/k

MSTing hurting feelings: I agree, this is possible, especially if the comments and shots taken are particularly personal in nature ... however, there's one *big* reason why I encourage folks to MST my work:
I am a RAGING PERFECTIONIST!! I'm *never* satisfied with a story, or a picture, or anything. I believe that all of my work is quite MSTieable (Mara did a wonderful job on "Sleepover", and the bits I've seen of Cyrway's work is great, too), and in fact if you want to take your shots at my cycle, I'll even direct you to the stories that I feel are my weakest.
Then again, that's just me. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 08:47:37 PM
IP: modem2028.netexp.com

Aww you don't agree with about Jesse Jackson? Well that bites ass. My point of view is, the punishment doesn't fit the crime here..., Did the students cause a problem.., Yes. Expelling them for 2 years..., No. That's crazy. I am more than sure that there's other students that fought and continue to fight in that school and still attend it. I hate to sound like a famous Laywer with the frist name of Johnny..., but ya know.....

The porn guy- You could've just whipped it out and starting wacking off over his shoulder. :o)
JackaL
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 07:10:49 PM
IP: spider-wa073.proxy.aol.com

Evil characters: They *are* a lot of fun. I had a field day when I got to make Christine evil in my "Gli Enigmi Sono Tre" series. And the evil Straussmore was a lot of fun, too. OK, sure, they were little sickos, but still...

Satan: The name means "The Adversary," and according to one book I read on the subject, neither Satan nor Lucifer were the actual devil--it was Sammael who became the devil, and Lucider and Satan are just to high-ups.

Green Baron: Well, thanks you. =)
jewel
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 06:46:45 PM
IP: abdbeb4c.ipt.aol.com

THE DEVIL> Although I do not believe in his actual existence, I am fascinated (as anyone would be) by his story. Who in here has read "Memnoch the Devil"? That and "Dogma" are kind of similar in their literal, well-researched approach to the history and infrastructure of God, the Angels, Heaven, and Hell. (Is there a collective term for all of that?)

Incidentally, ever since "Dogma" I can't help but imagine God as female. Whenever I try to picture him as a male I just can't do it.

***BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS***

I liked the ep (Buffy), of course, but IMHO I'm starting to seriously doubt that, physically, Sunnydale can accomodate so many creatures of the night! I mean, there are only so many square feet. For this secret agency and Buffy to have both been having full schedules, and never crossed paths, is beyond unimagineable.

I liked "Angel", too, a lot more than it seems most people did. I really like Doyle. They BETTER give him a good death. I just have to wonder who's gonna replace him? They can't continue the show with only a duo. Anyone they replaced him with wouldn't be able to live up.

***END SPOILERS***
Entity
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 06:14:36 PM
IP: ely-oh3-22.ix.netcom.com

Happy Birthday, Pist!!! :P
jenna
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 06:13:17 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Lucifer: Actually, Lucifer and Satan are more likely two completely different entities. The Bible only mentions "Lucifer" once as "the morning star, fallen from heaven". The quote (I forget exactly where it is, I think one of the Psalms) is worded in such a way that it seems to refer more to an allusion to a city (that's one theory) or some other metaphor rather than to a literal being, and there is NOTHING explicitly saying that Lucifer=Satan. The idea of Lucifer being the Devil was a later construction of the church.

OF course, nowadays, you use the word Lucifer, people think "Devil." THey've become synonyms...

...though I can clearly imagine the REAL devil blinking sometime during the middle ages and saying "who's this Lucifer guy?"

Killing characters in fics: Stating that someone's destined to die well before the death tends to ruin the storyline...people are always thinking, "oh, he's gonna die" in everythign up till that point.

However, something I found once my fic storyline began to span upwards of 300 years...I suddenly realized "hey, if this character's going to be in this story, he'll be like 250 years old which is pretty unrealistically old, even for a gargoyle." Most of those characters had quiet deaths offscreen, so to say.

Even when I determined that one of my major characters would die in 2201, it didn't ruin things for me...I don't write my fics in chronological order, so just because I can't put this individual in any fics set AFTER 2201 (at least, not ALIVE>...well, I won't get into that) I still can do lots to the guy BEFORE (and there's always flashbacks for you more chronologically minded...in fact, Dark ages is one HUUUGE flashback...)

I think there's only one character I've got who was destined to die in the meaning that the first incident I thought of about this individual was their death. (I'd be more specific, but it would wreck some upcoming fics.) However, since I havent' SAID in a fic that this person's going to get it, no one knows yet, and I'm currently building a proper backstory to give them real character BEFORE the big D.

It's when you introduce someone and kill them off before they've got any real character...and then fail to have their death really affect anyone...that killing characters is inappropriate.

Christine: I'm sure Jericho's eventual death...whenever it occurs...will have great impact on Demona and doubtless other characters. Support for you here. (And the Fan Club might appreciate a few flashbacks later ;-)

Warpmind: Cyrway did a hilarious MiST of her own fic "No Mouth." It *IS* possible if you're able to poke fun at yourself and laugh about it. In fact, I think it's EASIEST to MiST your own stuff, because then no one's feelings get hurt.

Good MiSTs/satires are hard to do--most of the time, it's like leeching someone else's story, unless you can consistently come up with enough funny stuff to hold its own (otherwise a reader might as well stick with the original.)

At the very least, a MiST of someone else's story should be done *first* with explicit permission granted and *secondly* with the author of the original piece able to proofread the MiST before allowing the public to see it. The line between satire and maliciousness is easy to cross inavertantly.
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Stormy - [<--My MGC Entry]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 05:39:17 PM
IP: dynixpc2.huron.uwo.ca

Hi all, stopped in here again- I'm really just procratinating- since there are things I'm supposto (sp?) being doing right now. The most important is finally getting started on a writing project I've been carting around in my for- well it seems like forever.

Happy bday Pissy>> any special bday requests??? Oh and pass on your new email when you get it- I've got some more good jokes when your ready.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 05:29:16 PM
IP: twin6127.magiclink.com

Warpmind>> Well, I've done a thorough check of all my email accounts and you NEVER asked me about this whole MiST thing. The answer is still a big NO.

I don't mean to sound cruel or anything but I have never, ever liked being teased or being made fun of. That's why I gave up writing for 10 years. MiSTing may be a lot of fun for some people but I just can't see it that way. All I see is the hurt it causes.

Christine>> Heh.... I've reached the height of holiday madness -- I bought Ryan a green-striped "Steve" shirt for Christmas!
Spike
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 04:32:58 PM
IP: pppt09-120.ght.iadfw.net

*walks in, in her human form and dressed like Naga the Serpent, holding SD Xelloss-kun by the hand, since her other SD pets are either stone or sleeping*

Oh what a beautiful afternoon!

Warpie-kun:: "I'll e-mail you the opening sequence and the end sequence as soon as those parts are done... but you won't see the piece in its entirety before I'm ready to post it... (hehehehehe)"

That's only fair..

By the way... "Sore wa himitsu desu"... and what in the blue blazes is that supposed to mean? My grasp of japanese limits itself to a few select terms of bodily harm...

It means "That is a secret" in English. OR in other words, I ain't tellin. Hee hee.. blue blazes...

Oh, and I'm not the guy hiding behind your shower curtain... better ask Xelloss about that one.

*Glances at SD Xelloss-kun, who smiles innocently, his eyes closed*

Er... he tells me nothing. You know how creativity demons are.

Pissy:"One thing I've noticed in the Gargs fandom is that a lot of women think Brooklyn is hot. This gives me a lot of hope. He's what a lot of people might consider "ugly"--but I think a case could definitely be made that he's really cute. I guess I find myself drooling over Zath's pics of Arianna for similar reasons. :)~~~"

I think maybe it's all in the attitude. Brooklyn has a certain something that makes him a lil more like that guy you crush on in sophomore year (although he has no clue) than Broadway or Lex. Also by human standards, you may consider him "ugly", but when you realize he *isn't* human.. you have to kinda change your perspective a little. I mean, for a red beaked guy, he ain't too bad...

*walks out, laughing like Naga and breaking windows*
OH hohohohohohoho! OH hohohohohohoho!
Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 03:15:38 PM
IP: spider-wk064.proxy.aol.com

RP WARNING!!!
**London, England
BlackAdder Estate (where Pinochet is being held)

Five girls and a cat sneak into the yard of the home avoiding a number of armed guards. Attila uses his non-descript feline appearance to sneak around the area and look for Pinochet. In the distance two guards see the cat.

"Blimey!! That's that cat about five bigshots have huge bounties on. Why, just the money Geoffrey Fieger promised for that cat is worth trying to bag it. Are you with me, Baldrick?"
"Why, yes, Percy, but then we have to keep m'lord from stealing it from us."
"At least we'll be able to have some money at least. All in all, 100 million pounds worth of bounties is nothing to sneeze at."**
TO BE CONTINUED.....

Spacebabie> Does your furby make fart noises, too?
I also had Garbage Pail Kids and my school didn't allow them to be shown in public because it distracted students. I still have them, knowing that when they got sued by Coleco, those cards would be worth something some day.

Jenna> I figure Iago to be rather lusty. Maybe Pistoff should be generous and allow him into his Universe :)

David G> You're kidding, right? I need to see thsi book. I beleive in what the Gospels say, but I never expected any concrete proof to support them. This could be a real breakdown of faith.

Mara> Yeah. Poor Angie :) I can't wait to read your next fics. My Marketing Professor and I will MSTie his video collection. We had some real fun with the Blair Witch project and making fun of people we both know at Loyola. WE even did a little satiring of Exorcist II.

On another note, Gargoyles cannot be on Cartoon Network, unless Disney sells the rights to Time Warner.

Mandi> It seems you've had a rough weekend. ::big hugs:: I agree with Coyote. Your appearance is fine the way it is. You are very lovely and you look healthy, so I don't think you need to lose any wieght. If you want to fit into your jeans, I recommend eating more foods with higher water content like salads and fruits, and a little more exercise, but I find nothing wrong with your appearance.

Pistoff> Happy Birthday. Pick a scout :)

Shogun Raptor> I've seen that list :)

Christine> I like the pic. Your motehr is spoiling Becca? Uh Oh! I'll have to be careful with how much influence I'll let my mother have. Of course, when I get married and have kids, she'll be nearly 70 (she's 53 now, probably older than your mother), so I have no idea what my mother will do.

Priness Mera> I agree with your comments, plus Judas's taking his own life was what reallys ealed his fate. Dante's Inferno had suicide a worse sin than murder, probably because you can't repent for suicide.

This reminds me of a theroy I heard on Mother Angelica :)

Pride Thoery about Lucifer's Fall: One theory popular among many Catholics, yet not affirmed by any official source is that God informed his angels that he will come to the Earth and his human mother (Mary) will become Queen of Heaven and that included the angels. Basically, Lucifer and his(?) supporters refused to consider the thought of serving a human as their Queen, so they rebelled and were dirven out St. Michael and the other angel police. There is no official position on the theory, Though after learning it, I have decided that I like it and unless it is later ruled out by the Vatican (not likely under this pro-Mary Pope), I will incorportae it into my own beliefs :)

Sevarius Jr> I agree with you about Jesse Jackson. By and large, I see this guy as a phony always appearing when the cameras around. He makes a name for himself protesting any and everything,a nd even though he's a minister, when was the last time he preached? When Dr. King was shot in 68, Andrew Young was by his side risking his own life, but Jesse was probably hiding somewhere.

Now, I disagree with you about Tom Hanks. While I find Hanks to normally be just another Hollywood actor, I like his being a spokesman for the National Memorial. The Memorial is much more expensive than a few million dollars and I feel very good about dnating the mere $35 I put in, and that was before Hanks made his commercials. I personally think Tom Hanks is genuine in his advocacy of the Memorial and I also applaud Bob Dole, Jack Valenti, and Fred Smith for their role. I am actually surprised you feel the way you do, since you strike me as much more patriotic than I am. As for Steven Speilburg, he amy make good movies, but he's an out-of-touch Hollywood leftist slightly less annoying than David Geffen (plus both support that putz Gore). There was a joke that Steven Speilburg has made more money off WWII than most Swiss Banks.

I'm also another heterosexual American who is bothered by that kind of stuff, too.

Doug> Jerking my chain, huh? ::noogies:: How's that :)

Well, I was only mentioning those physical attributes I find attractive. I can run a nice laundry list of other attributes, mostly being personality and intelligence traits.

Wilek> How about Titanic: The Series :)

Jenna> I'm glad you like it :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 03:04:26 PM
IP: 141.164.133.110

Green Baron- I got the dancing turkeys!! Thanks! ^_^
jenna
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 01:51:10 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

New on my site:
Baby pic of Amber, by Eva. Awwww!
Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Zath > a pic of Brand? Oh, good; he was cool ...

Aaron > no, no, my friend, you seem to have mistaken me ... I said I _wasn't_ gonna write that one ; ) And after the pajama party episode when Julia Louis-Dreyfuss showed up, I don't know as I actually _need_ to anyway!

Warpmind > you've already done mine; actually I'm kinda lukewarm on the whole thing because I never watched the show in the first place.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 12:12:09 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

So, I check in tonight again...

*Warpmind walks in with a ping-pong paddle and whaps Fire Storm. "You complay about having 31 Gigs filled up, and don't even spare a thought to my Ahasverus, which has had its 635 Megs filled up frequently! Shame on you." Warpmind then rids himself of the paddle.*

Mara: I'll e-mail you the opening sequence and the end sequence as soon as those parts are done... but you won't see the piece in its entirety before I'm ready to post it... (hehehehehe) By the way... "Sore wa himitsu desu"... and what in the blue blazes is that supposed to mean? My grasp of japanese limits itself to a few select terms of bodily harm... Oh, and I'm not the guy hiding behind your shower curtain... better ask Xelloss about that one.

Spike: *Warpmind sheds a few tears and looks at Spike with HUGE puppy-eyes.* But... but... *Sniff* MiSTing one's own work cannot be done properly... *Sniff* Aww, c'mon, Spike... puh-leez? Besides, I DID send an e-mail to you first, asking you to say so if you had any objections... and I received no reply. I'll just BET it's the local server screwing up again. Well, all right, then, I'll try to find some other author's work... but I was positive you had been properly notified, so if you feel angry about this, feel free to take it out on me, and I'll pass it on to the LAN server... But I say again: Puh-leez? If not... Christine? Wanna let me pick one of your 'fics?

Sevarius Jr.: I agree. It's horribly wrong. Now, who mentioned the Michael Jackson Daycare Center... ?

Wilek Nereus: Get up, you're worthy.

Well, seems I must leave prematurely... Adult Computer Education Evening School... and I, who am supposed to be keeping the computer room open for the students who laboe here on a daily basis, have not been notified... Hmmm... is two decades in prison worth the brief pleasure of completely, deliberately dismembering the headmaster... naah, I'll just clobber him a bit, I guess.

Well, catch y'all later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:50:44 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

***Deep sigh of relief** well talked to someone here who is in the know- he hasn't heard anything substanicial, so he told me not to worry about it...

Doug- intend to read your fic this week

Fanfic progress-- I hope to have it up before thanksgiving

Packing- yuck!! what can I say more about this- **shrug** oh well..at least were going to a better apt.
jenna
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:50:05 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Aaron -- :P hehe!
jenna
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:08:19 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Won't have much time to comment today..

Pistoff- is it your bday?

SJ- Like your comment about that comic- I'll have to take a look at it. Have you ever seen B5's ep "in the garden of Gethsemane?" That has quite a bit about forgiveness in it--

Well rumors floating around here, as they have been for a while, of an upcoming merger- heard this from busy bodies who do nothing but worry all day, but lets hope it's just a rumor- keep talons crossed for me ..

jenna
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:07:10 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Ahhh, free at last. If Rob Zombie's "Dragula" didn't get that dang Blue's Clues theme out of my head nothing would. Which reminds me... Christine, how's that Blue's Clues Hentai fic going? ;)

Jenna> I'm not sick, (Well, not physically). I just felt like doing Holy Grail.

Stephen> Best of luck with that story.

Later.

Aaron wander off, still humming Dragula.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:02:35 AM
IP: ppp-45.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Coupple of quick replies before I go to hell--uh, I mean, go to work...

Jannie: Thanks for the birthday wish and the card. :) Sorry I kept you and Denis waiting last night. I was trying to connect all night, and couldn't get online until after 11 PM, and by then I was so tired and pissed that I just left a quick message in here and went to bed. My email still isn't working. I've had it with my ISP. I've had problems with them from the very beginning, and it just keeps getting worse. Screw 'em. I'll probably be switching over to a new one today. If these bastards are lucky, I just might let them live... *cracks knuckles*

Doug: Actually, that little boy you rememer from "Injustice 1" is Jonny, Jr. *g* He's about 7 now, but eventually he'll be Clyde's father. He'll make an appearance in the Vacuum Riders pilot that'll be posted in the upcoming AvMists. As for Jonny Jr.'s mother, things will get very...interesting...for her. That's all I can say for now. *sinister chuckle*
Pistoff
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 10:20:47 AM
IP: wire-11.koalas.com

Quick replies.

Todd: Interesting Quarryman idea. I agree that it might have been nice to see. :)

Pistoff: Okay, I remember Clyde now. Thanks for the little tidbit. I remember his mom too. <sighs heavily> Boy, am I hoping she gets it soon (preferably from somewhere she doesn't expect, like the Swordies :).

Spike: AI's coming along? That's good. Thanks for the update, Kit and I will be waiting.
Doug
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 09:49:08 AM
IP: pool-209-138-214-200.dlls.grid.net

Firestorm>>
If I wrote it for TGS, then it belongs to TGS. You'll need to acknowledge them on that.

TGS staff>> Speaking of which, I was contacted by a person named Cassandra about using some TGS pics I did in a collage on her website. I said it was fine with me as long as she acknowledged the artist but that she'd also have to clear it with the TGS staff since she'd gotten the pics off the TGS Art Site. If you guys don't hear from her soon, let me know and I'll pass on her email addy.

Doug>> Progress on "A.I. -- Asrial Interactive" is going remarkably well. Might finish it sometime this week if I can find the time between art jobs.
Spike
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 09:28:35 AM
IP: ppp43-66.ght.iadfw.net

Good Morning everyone,

A friend sent me this story, no not a joke, but I liked it so I'm going to share it with you guys.

>One day an expert in time management was speaking to a
group of business students and, to drive home a point, used an illustration those students will never forget. As he stood in front of the group of high powered overachievers he said, "Okay, time for a quiz."

He pulled out a one-gallon, wide mouthed Mason jar and set it on the table in front of him. Then he produced about a dozen fist-sized rocks and carefully placed them, one at a time, into the jar. When the jar was filled to the top and no more rocks would fit inside, he asked, "Is this jar full?" Everyone in the class said, "Yes." He replied, "Really?" He reached under the table and pulled out a bucket of gravel, dumped some in, and shook the jar causing pieces of gravel to work themselves down into the space between the big rocks.

Then he asked the group once more "Is the jar full?" By this time the class was on to him. "Probably not," one of them answered. "Good!" he replied. Next he reached under the table and brought out a bucket of sand. He started dumping the sand in the jar and it went into all of the spaces left between the rocks and the gravel. Once more he asked the question, "Is this jar full?" "No!" the class shouted. Once again he said, "Good." Then he grabbed a pitcher of water and began to pour it in until the jar was filled to the brim.

Then he looked at the class and asked, "What is the point
of this illustration?" One eager beaver raised his hand and said, "The point is, no matter how full your schedule is, if you try really hard you can always fit some more things in it!"
"No," the speaker replied, "That's not the point."

The truth this illustration teaches us is: "If you don't put the big rocks in first, you'll never get them in at all.
What are the 'big rocks' in your life?
Your children.... Your loved ones.... Your education... Your dreams.... A worthy cause... Teaching or mentoring others..... Doing things that you love.... Time for yourself..... Your health.

Remember to put these BIG ROCKS in first or you'll never get them in at all.
If you sweat the little stuff (the gravel, the sand) then you'll fill your life with little things you worry about that don't really matter, and you'll never have the real quality time you need to spend on the big, important stuff
(the big rocks).

So, tonight, or in the morning, when you are reflecting on
this short story, ask yourself this question: What are the 'big rocks'in my life?
Then, put those in your jar first."

Have a great day!

delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 09:01:15 AM
IP: twin57k.magiclink.com

I'm back. No one cares....but I'm back.

I'm now working on my web page now. I'm adding a huge addition to it so it is taking some of my time. I'm almost done though! :) It is going to contain chat room logs of my obsession days with gargoyles. Five hour long scripts of non-stop gargoyle talk...wheeeeeeee::laughs::

Here are me comments for the day....

Beast Machines: I love this show. Excellent writeres. But did they have ta get rid of Rhinox so horribly?

Blah...the only comments I have....there isn't much I'm watching or paying attention to....latley I'm only writing and working on my web page. ANd I think I have a job somewhere in there.....

Stay tuned for weirdness....and annoyanceeeeee....
Sarge.
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 08:13:39 AM
IP: 209.198.65.194

* BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS *

BUFFY: I agree that this episode was a very good one. The revelation that Walsh and Riley were actually members of this secret vampire-hunting team was a very big surprise for me, and one that I liked. I also liked the irony about Riley pondering the fact that what discourages him from reaching out to Buffy is his double life, not realizing that she has a similar one to his. (And I'm finding myself wondering what will happen if/when Buffy finds out about Riley's double life. Somehow I'm picturing something slightly similar to Elisa's response upon discovering that Jason Canmore was the same as the chief Hunter).

Which leads me to something that the "campus-vampire-hunters" as depicted last night triggered in me; a reassessment of my assumptions about the Quarrymen. Probably from the influence of "The Goliath Chronicles", I'd taken it for granted that the Quarrymen would be a public organization, one which everyone in New York would know about. But after seeing last night's "Buffy", I found myself reconsidering that notion. What if the Quarrymen were to have been hidden in the same way that those "campus-vampire-hunters" were hidden? Secret meetings, coming out only at night in those hoods, a general cover-up tone about it? Indeed, there is a certain similarity between the two organizations - both secret organizations of humans hunting mythical "creatures of the night" with high-tech weaponry, although the difference is that the vampires really are a threat, and the gargoyles aren't.

Other parts of the episode that I enjoyed: Spike's scene with Willow (one almost feels sorry for the guy now), and Xander's monologue when he and Giles were out in the woods (with Giles cutting him short with "Oh, shut up"). This was definitely a good one.

ANGEL: I found it a funny episode, but I'll admit that it was mainly that. It was fun to find out more about Doyle, who's such an interesting character that it will be a shame when they drop him. But it didn't really linger with me as much as last night's "Buffy" did.

* BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 07:38:11 AM
IP: 216.87.46.92.dialup-stl.primary.net

Pistoff> ack!! Den and I waited for you last night. I figured it was either you were having problems connecting again or that you had gotten called into work. =\ I sent you an email - but it came back. My server says that it will keep trying to send it... which means your server is still messed up. *kicks your server* Anyway, in case you can at least get into CR.......
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! *birthday hug* :) love ya!
Jannie
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 07:08:41 AM
IP: 168-171-196-55.academicplanet.com

Hi all!!

Not really much going on in my neck of the woods at the moment exept work of course(oh how I'd love just to have a few days off).Hmm Gargoyles is still ahead in the DVD survey,I wonder if Disney will take notice this time*Hopes*.

delphi:<<He took out a long-handled squeegee, DIPPED IT INTO THE TOILET and then cleaned the mirror. Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.>>*ROTFL*that's a classic!:)

SJ:<<Oh god....just browsing the CR here at school, and the guy sitting at the computer next to me is checking out some VERY hardcore pornography. If this isn't an uncomfortable moment, I don't know what is....>>Oh man,thats grose!some people have got no sense of shame>:(,I don't blame you for feeling uncomfortable.

SJ again:<<This also kind of goes along with my near pathological hatred of Titanic. I've never seen that either, but I know I hate it. And I'm not just talking about the Leo DiCap factor here. I've heard from so many people how GREAT the film is, that I HATE it. I get like that....as soon as *everyone* tells me how great something is, the little "conformity bells" in my head start ringing, and part of me lashes out.>>I think I know what you talking about and I feel the same,Case point STAR WARS EPISODE I,Remember back when the movie hype was in full swing and the beutiful people were all over it saying things like"we've always been Star Wars fans"and I kept thinking Bulls@#t!! their only saying that because the movie was popular>:(.

Spacebabie:<>I remember them,on reflection I thought they were okay but I wouldn't have wasted money on them,I was more interested in aquiring Transformers action figures(never did get the original Megatron*pouts*)

JackaL:<<NiN The Fragile- I had it, but some little teenage punk bitches stole it from me...>>Man that really bites,The Fragile kicks ass!:(

Stephen R. Sobotka:<<I sent of a query to a online e-zine, to see if I could finally get one of my original stories published, and they replied back saying that they want to look at what I have. I sent off one of my more recent stories tonight... here's hoping that it makes the grade! :)>>Good luck!:)

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 06:33:55 AM
IP: 139.134.27.66

Titanic 2 feedback> Wow, I wasn't expecting quite so much positive feedback. :)

Jaden> <<Hey everyone what's up? I'm beginning to think that Religion has become the word of the day today. It started out this morning with my World Religions test, then I went to see Stigmatta (good movie by the way), then we almost got into a religious discussion in my Administration of Justice class (I don't know how that one happened) and now everyone here is talking about Jesus and Judas. Every weird. Theme song to The Twilight Zone please.>> Hm...this plus the sudden outbreak of fire alarm pranks...this can't be good...

Anne> <<*laughing* Titanice 2?! I like the summary but when do we get to see it in the theatres?>> When I've taken over the world, I'll commission a studio to do it. (Oh, and Leo really will be killed during filming. Hehe.) <<I like it but seriously I don't want to hear THAT song again! Otherwise I'd say, "I'll bring the popcorn if you bring the car" but if THAT song plays one more time I really will go insane! Seriously! Please say you agree (about the song)!>> My Heart Will Go On? Never heard it, so I'm in no real position to judge (although it sounds like the kind of thing that's capable of inducing projectile vomiting). When this thing goes into production, I'll probably hire This Ascension or The Machine In The Garden to do the theme, "My Heart Will Go On (A Plate)". >:)

Delphi> <<[...] There are teachers and then there are Teachers...>> O_O ROTFLMTO!!! >:D

SJ> <<just browsing the CR here at school, and the guy sitting at the computer next to me is checking out some VERY hardcore pornography.>> Point him in the direction of the adult GFW archive. If that doesn't scare him off, I don't know what will. >;) <<You may not fixate on it, but for one moment, you were probably fascinated ;)>> Actually, I'm probably one of four or five straight males in the country who is turned *off* by that kind of thing... :) <<the guy next to me was checking out the Gore Gallery. If you've seen this site, you know what it's like, and you know that only the truly f***ed in the head enjoy that crap. I'm trying to work on a presentation and at the same time burn a hole in the monitor with my eyes so that I don't catch a peripheral glimpse of the psycho next to me drooling over some autopsy pics.>> Gore Gallery, eh? Wonder if there's anything there that could spice up my own stories; a pic of blood-spattered stone walls would be perfect for my fifth fic... <<I've heard from so many people how GREAT the film is, that I HATE it. I get like that....as soon as *everyone* tells me how great something is, the little "conformity bells" in my head start ringing, and part of me lashes out.>> Heh...I think my hatred of it stems from the fact that, not only is it a love story, it has a predestined bad ending (I'm a believer in happy endings, paradoxically enough), it's three and a half hours long (What kind of love story can keep people awake for that long?), the conformity thing you mentioned, and it played a near-direct role in the partial shutdown of an excellent Phantasmagoria site (don't ask). >8( <<But the big news is that he's looking for a distributor for the book he's just done. It's a picture book about his love of children. I'm not making that up. Please, someone agree with me when I say how horribly wrong that this.>> After I'm done here I'll go outside and roar obscenities in obscure languages for a few hours, whereupon I will delve into my copy of the Domus Durbentia and look up a ritual for causing many exotic diseases to befall a victim at long range, so that the scourge known as Micheal Jackson will forever be eliminated from the planet Earth. <<Why must my hands work faster than my tiny little brain? It's a consipracy I tell you....like that story "The Body Politic" by Clive Barker, they (the Hands, the Hands!!!) have a life of their own...>> That would explain a lot, actually...

Warpmind> <<Been there, done that, strung the bugger up in the nearest tree using cord... he was "tied up" for the rest of the night, and wasn't rescued before breakfast next morning... and the temperature lows were at three plus Celsius...>> :O <bows> I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy! ;D

Spacebabie> <<About those cards and parents and some Uberrelicious people I can remeber when I was in elementary school and all the kids were collecting and trading Garbage Pail Kids stickers (Anybody remember them)>> I have vague memories of them being the most disgusting things I'd ever seen at the time (I was a good deal more naive back then). I also seem to remember them bearing a distinct resemblance to the ever-annoying Cabbage Patch Kids. HMMM...

Jackal> <<There's some extreme weirdness goin on in here>> Like that's anything new? ;)

Mandolin> Lizz> Into how many pieces would you like her torn? >:)

Stephen Sobotka> <<GREAT NEWS! - I sent of a query to a online e-zine, to see if I could finally get one of my original stories published, and they replied back saying that they want to look at what I have. I sent off one of my more recent stories tonight... here's hoping that it makes the grade!>> Good luck friend! :D
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 03:50:16 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

this is just a quick post.......

"From Dusk 'Till Dawn 3: The Hangman's Daughter" isnt out for rent YET.....but since I work at Blockbuster's, I got to borrow the Screener for this tape. I'm not exactly sure when it will come out to rent. but when I find out, I'll let you all know......

*fades into thin air*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 03:08:29 AM
IP: host-209-214-115-173.bna.bellsouth.net

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

*Pistoff chases DisConnect into the room with a sledge hammer. "Remember this, you piece of $h!t?" He catches up with DC and begins to slowly beat him to death. Slowly. Slllloooowwwwwwwllllyyyy. Smashes a toe here, a kneecap there, just whacking away, giggling insanely the entire time. Finally, after everything except DC's head has been turned into silly putty, Pistoff lifts the sledge hammer and brings it crashing down with every last ounce of strength, and DC's head splatters like a watermelon at Gallagher show.*

I feel...so...cleansed. :)

What was that about, you may be wondering? Well, a critical phone line went down in Cottage Grove, and long-distance service for the entire Oregon coast was cut off since about 1 PM, and was just now fixed at sometime around 11 PM. The phone call to my ISP is local, but obviously they have to do long-distance calls. So I could hook up to my ISP's server, but that's as far as I could go. I didn't even get a chance to read the CR, the last couple of days. So I'll make a couple of quick comments, then do replies tomorrow or the next day, if RL ever gives me a break. Please forgive me if anything I say isn't quite coherent, because I'm tired and raging pissed about the interruption of my internet service...

First, I want to thank everybody who complimented me on the "beautiful people" rant. I'm glad to know so many people who have overcome society's programming. :) I'll make more detailed responses as soon as I can.

One thing I've noticed in the Gargs fandom is that a lot of women think Brooklyn is hot. This gives me a lot of hope. He's what a lot of people might consider "ugly"--but I think a case could definitely be made that he's really cute. I guess I find myself drooling over Zath's pics of Arianna for similar reasons. :)~~~

Okay, just a couple of things I happened to notice when I _finally_ was able to connect...

Doug: Actually, Clyde Canmore came from a relationship Jon had before he met Machiko--back when he was still a Quarryman. (Here's a hint--she showed up briefly in "Injustice" Part One...she's the one who punched Jon in the face, in the courtroom. She's pretty much a die-hard gargoyle hater, so imagine how shocked she would be if she knew who her grandson will eventually marry... ;)

SJ: Michael Jackson...did a picture book...about his love of children??????? Oh...[extremely vulgar and violent profanity] That book doesn't come in a plain brown wrapper, does it?

Okay, that's all I can handle for now. I just tried to access my email, and guess what? I can't get in! It's rejecting my password! *incoherent screaming* I type in the _CORRECT_ password, and it just pops up a new window asking for the password. *more screaming* Sorry, I'll finish the replies as soon as I can...when I'm no longer in a blind rage...

*Pistoff urinates on DC's corpse before leaving.*
EXTREMELY Pistoff
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 02:38:16 AM
IP: wire-20.koalas.com

Robby: Mind if I have a go at trying to make use of all of the CR pics in the archive? (Sorry about that. Just saw Shakespere in Love. GREAT movie!)

Robby: Can I try to make the unused images in the CR Pictures directory available? The images are already there (Such as Nimue, a Mourning Fox, Goliath and Elisa, ETC,) and the coding just has to be done.

Mandolin: QUERY: HOMICIDE
RESULT: JUSTIFYABLE

Spike: I know your policy regarding your personal fan-fic, but do you have objections to people using material from the TGS episodes you write?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 02:04:36 AM
IP: t2-13.visitus.net

Evil Overlord Rules> Go to http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html for the whole list of them, or just click my name : )

Coyote> <<The main reason why the CIA banned Furbys from their offices>> **snicker** And here I was thinking they did it because Furbies went against their image of being an intimidating government agency >: )

Christine> <<what's this pic and when do I get to see it?>> It's a picture of Brand, because I noticed people seemed to always leave him out whenever they did the pirate clan (unless there's some of him in the adult archive, which I don't look at). Hopefully, I'll be able to find time for the final touch-ups within a week or so. <<We'd still have to allow for natural mutations>> True, and since this is the Gargoyles universe, we'd have to allow for *unnatural* mutations as well...

Robby> <<serve the same function as they do in the rest of the animal kingdom>> Actually, they only serve that function in mammals. Hmmm... I have a sudden creativity demon of the missing link between gargoyles and the rest of mammals being discovered, and it's a duckbilled platypus that turns to stone. : )

Mandolin> <> *LOL* <<That does it. Lizz, the editor of the lit magazine must die.>> Well, if she's like that to everyone, I'm sure there'll be plenty of people willing to help make it look like an accident and/or dispose of the body. >: )

Kitainia <<be able to outrun any other ground vehicle>> Even that one with the jet engine that broke the sound barrier a little while ago (and I'm not talking about the urban legend involving the flying Impala), or just standard ground vehicles? <<As for Lucifer, well, he was a guy with problems and still is.>> Heh heh heh, one of these days I need to haul out and finish the story I started way back in 10th grade when we were discussing the Faust legend. The protagonist meets the devil and gets to hear his version of events. The only problem is that I'd have to find my english notes too, because it was supposed to be a spoof of the format outlined in class (for example, most stories based on the Faust legend end with the devil "calling to collect" on the deal, mine was going to have devil calling collect).

Warpmind> <<you scare me. Much. Very much...>> <<It was even Season 1 Episode 2, just to make that clear; possibly the best episode that ever was! (That was four years ago now, by the way.)>> Wow, Norway is really behind on American programs. I think we're now on season six or seven here, but you're right about the early ones being some of the best.

Toku> <<OK, who's the wiseass who pulls the fire alarm at 6:30 in the morning?>> Probably a relative of whoever was pulling the one here last night. Around 11:40pm I was lying in bed, just about to fall asleep, when suddenly this awful racket starts up because apparently someone got bored and pulled the fire alarm. Figuring it wasn't entirely bad because I needed to get up and eat dinner anyway, I hauled myself out of bed, grabbed my wallet, and shuffled outside (as usual, I was falling asleep in my clothes, so at least there wasn't any need to get dressed). I went out to buy dinner, but when I came back we still weren't allowed back inside yet (whenever the alarm gets pulled, the fire department has to come and check out the building and whoever they find still inside gets fined). So I stand around with my friends and the all clear is finally given around midnight. We all went back in and I had just started eating when someone pulls the alarm *AGAIN*!!! This time we aren't allowed back inside until 12:30. Then someone must have been tampering with the alarm or something because it was giving random honks and blasts (but not the constant blaring that means it's completely engaged) for the next hour. **grrr**

delphi> <<He took out a long-handled squeegee, DIPPED IT INTO THE TOILET and then cleaned the mirror. Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. There are teachers and then there are Teachers...>> *LOL* Several of the schools I went to were badly in need of a demonstration like that.

SJ> <<just browsing the CR here at school, and the guy sitting at the computer next to me is checking out some VERY hardcore pornography.>> You could always go to some of those adult garg sites, make sure he sees the pictures, and try to freak him out enough that he goes and sits next to someone else (or it'll get him interested in Gargoyles, either way, you win) >: )

Spacebabie> <<Garbage Pail Kids stickers (Anybody remember them) And I don't remember being told they were banned from schools. and they were disgusting>> Ah, memories of my childhood.. Personally, I don't think they were all that bad, but most of you have seen how my mind tends to work, so who am I to judge? : )

Aaron> <<Only in a world where everything else has gone completely to Hell can Brooklyn have a successful relationship>> *LOL* I never thought of it that way before, but it's so true!

JackaL> <<Who's ready to start partin for the new year?!? This big of an occation can't be done in 2 dayz.., a week.. nahh..., 2 months!!>> Sorry JackaL, but you're a little late. You're already down to just a month and a half of potential partying. On the other hand, once that's out of the way, you'll have a whole year to celebrate the coming of the real end of the millennium ; )

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 01:48:14 AM
IP: ppp-229-236.usc.edu

**RP HERE**

The Ravens are now back in the infirmary room, chatting with one another and waiting for news of SJ. "You guys don't need to be so worried," Wilek is telling Gubio, Erin, Doug, and Kitainia. "Our medical staff here is excellent. SJ will be fine." "We know," Kitainia says. "We just wish he'd come out of that room and tell us so himself. That would be the next best thing since we can't go in there." "It would be better in some ways," Doug agrees. "You're right," Wilek nods. "I guess we'll just have to wait for Corrie to finish taking a look at him. Speaking of which, guys, you know we mopped the Phalanx up good." "We did," Doug smiles, "thanks in part to Erin." "Yeah, she was great down there." Erin smiles in thanks. "All of you were," Wilek continues. "Including Shogun's team, who have since gone MIA." "MIA?" Kit frowns. "That's two groups of our allies now, them and Traveler's party." "Traveler is not exactly our ally," Doug reminds her. "I know." She counts off on her fingers. "I forgot, Big Jake is out of action for now too. And Coyote went out permanently after getting rid of the bad guys' forces in Arizona." "Yep," Gubio chimes in from nearby. "Looks like it's just us, Wilek, and SJ now." "Don't forget Fleur," Wilek says. "She's still up on the base, though she hasn't done a lot lately. And Green Baron's party is around somewhere doing I know not what." "And there's me too," a voice says. They turn to see DumlaoX walking into the infimary. "Hey DX," Doug greets him. "How are you?" "Doing fine. Thought I'd find you guys here. I wanted to tell you that T-Loco and I finished fixing your truck. We also made a few improvements on it. Any time you want to use it, it's available now." "That's great," replies Kit. "Thank you." "No problem. That's the good news. The bad news is, T-Loco and I have been given other committments that we need to fulfill. We wish we could stay and keep helping you, but something very important has happened back down on Earth that concerns us greatly. We have to go deal with it, and it could take us the rest of this campaign." "Can you give us the details?" asks Gubio. "Maybe we can help." DumlaoX shakes his head. "I'm afraid we have to do it alone. Sorry, guys. We'll miss you." He turns and leaves, not even saying goodbye. Kit watches him go, then sighs heavily. "Gosh, I wonder what was bothering him." "Whatever it is, I'm sure he can deal with it," says Doug. "DX is a resourceful guy." "I'm just glad he got the truck fixed before taking off like that," Jammer chimes in. "Um, if you guys will excuse me I'm going to go check out the improvements he made. We might need the Onslaught in our next mission, you know." He gets up and walks out. Tricia, Keith, Stephanie, Boris, and Elena follow. "That reminds me," Wilek says after the door shuts behind them. "What are we going to do next?" Doug shrugs. "Beats me. Since we don't know where any more of Thailog's forces are, I'm not exactly sure." Just then Tom walks in looking very down in the dumps. "Uh oh," Kit frowns. "Uh, excuse me, guys." She turns and walks over to ask the engineer what's going on. The others, growing concerned, stop their conversations to listen in.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Hi everybody. Enjoy your Tuesday? :) Mine was pretty good. Classes are going well, I think I'm doing well in most of them. As for the ones I'm not..., well, I'm trying my best. :) Hope it's the same for the rest of you who are still in school. <sighs> I'm feeling a little tired tonight, but not too exhausted to make this post, so I'll finish writing it, then sleep. On to replies.

Fanfic Progress: Thanks to all the people who have read Inner Demons Part 1 so far (thanks especially to Todd, Dags, and Peter for their feedback). I've begun work on Part 2, it's coming along. Should be a while before it's out, what with Thanksgiving break and finals soon after it interfering. Hope to get it done before Christmas. <fingers crossed> If anyone wants it, here's a small teaser scene:
*
"You can't keep a gargoyle employed here, brother!" the greasy-haired man snapped. "Don't you know she killed one of us? It's injustice to even allow them in black man's turf!" The other men grouped around him nodded in agreement.
Doc watched this and sighed heavily. "Guys, I understand how you feel, but I'm not going to fire Mona. She's one of my best workers, and I do not think that she was responsible for killing that man."
"That doesn't matter!" one of the angry toughs replied. "All her race are bad!"
"Can you please say that to my face, human?" asked a voice behind them. Doc and the group of protesters turned to see Demona standing next to them with her arms crossed and eyes flashing. She wore an expression of aroused anger greater than any Doc had ever before seen. "Or are you a coward?" the redhaired gargoyle continued, leaning close to stare down her detractor. The tough who had spoken shook his head and tried to maintain eye contact with her, while at the same time doing his best to hide the sudden fear visible in his posture and face. "I thought so," Demona noticed it and laughed.
*
This and more coming soon. Hope that you'll all be waiting for it.:)

Thanks to everyone who's welcomed me back. It's great to be back. <grins> Hope to continue to stay in here for a very long time. Happy belated birthday to SJ and Jenna, and welcome to any newcomers who have recently arrived.

Pistoff: Ari's mate in your ficverse is going to be a Canmore? Okay, this should be interesting. :) Thanks for dropping that little tidbit. I suppose he's somehow related to Machiko and Jon?

X-Files: Liked the second half of the season premiere even if it in many ways did not feel like that good a story. The development on Mulder and Scully was worth sitting through, as were some parts of the plot (like the long-awaited kiss). I'll miss Fowley a little, glad she died well in the end (though she and Scully never got to have a catfight like I wanted...sigh). Hope CSM is still alive and able to come back to wreak more havoc, and that they soon kill off Krycek before he causes any more damage to the good side.

Wilek: I remember MASK, as I've said before. I thought it was one of the five masterpieces of 80s cartoons (the others being He-Man, GI Joe, Thundercats, and Transformers). Gargoyles, Animaniacs, Pokemon, Batman: TAS, Batman Beyond, and the Garfield TV show are my picks for the nineties, and of course Simpsons remains on the list for all the many years it's been around. :) Like your idea for Titanic 2.

Robby: Saw a preview for El Dorado when I watched Pokemon. I didn't think it looked that great. Tigger Movie doesn't sound worth it either. <sighs> This weekend I'll be posting reviews of Sleepy Hollow and the new Bond film, hope both live up to their hype. (Sleepy Hollow probably will, with Mr. Walken at least. Not sure about the latest Bond movie, I didn't like the last one. Oh well, it looks to have some great action, a really pretty young girl (Denise Richards), and an exciting plot, so I can at least enjoy those things. I just pray the bad guy's first name doesn't turn out to be Halcyon or Fox. :)

Evil Characters: Yep, Warpmind, they're fun to write. As people have said, villains often get the best dialogue, equipment, sinister laughs, etc. They can be real fun characters to explore just because of their twisted emotions. Of course it's especially good when you get to take out frustration by having them or their minions beat up. :)

Atilla: <nods> I knew it was a typo, just pulling your master's chain. :) Thanks for the interesting Rommel tidbit.

Fleur: Congrats on the job and making it through those exams alive (four in one day? Boy, am I glad I don't go to your school!). Like Kit, I hope all the stress ends soon and you can soon return to your regular posting rate. :)

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR THE NEW DARK AGES**

Nowhere to Run: Great job on this episode, TGS people. I thought the plot was very good, with well-written dialogue and well-developed characters (two musts for any story that I'm going to like). Iago had some especially interesting scenes, I like how he's getting involved with Asrial. Good development with him and Javin too. (The fun thing about Iago as a Dark Ages villain IMO is that no one suspects the guy of wanting to cause trouble for his own gain. He's a true master of behind the scenes work. Can hardly wait to see more evidence of this ahead.) Liked what was done with Goliath, Fuchsia, Demona, Hudson, and Asrial too (though I agree with TJ that Goliath should not have called Javin by name). The pics were some of the best I've seen in all of TGS, especially the end cliffhanger one. Hope that Roland and Atalanta will get more screen time in Part 2, I definitely welcome their return as antagonists. Overall the episode gets a 9.5/10, and thumbs way up. May Part 2 be at least as good.

**THESE SPOILERS END, BEGIN SOME FOR BUFFY AND ANGEL**

New Buffy Ep: Tonight's story was great, one of the most interesting all season. Like SJ, I too am wondering what the heck the people of UC-Sunnydale are up to with their commando squads and vampire-examination labs. Walsh talked about some "initiave," I can't help but think that means they're some kind of terrorist group. <gulps> Looking forward to finding out their true motives, hope Whedon reveals them in due time. Enjoyed the development on Riley (like SJ, I can now more easily see Buffy and him together, and I am REALLY looking forward to when they find out what each other do in their spare time), and that on Willow and Walsh too (wonder how Giles will react when he finds out his old friend is such an important part of this season's main villain group). Spike also had some good development and scenes in this episode, I'm very glad to see him as a star of the show. Hope he gets more scenes soon (poor guy, though, not being able to attack people any more, wonder how he's going to survive :). Only one small gripe with this episode- Anya was left out of it, as she has been in many episodes lately. I like her and hope she soon comes back, for the development she gave Xander at least. :) (Not that Xander didn't shine in this episode, he was great, but I've grown to like him when he's in a relationship more than when he's by himself). Other than that, it was terrific. 10/10, thumbs up. Looking forward to more development on the Campus Commandos (what I'll call them until Whedon reveals their real name), their members, and motives. Especially wondering who and what kind of person their supreme leader is (if it's not Walsh). Whedon, if you're reading this, keep up the good work.

Tonight's Angel: This new ep wasn't as good as previous ones have been. It had a decent plot, and I liked the development on Doyle and Cordelia (looking forward to when she finds out he's half-demon, and now hoping even more that they don't really kill him off). The villains, though, were too bland and uninteresting. I like demons better when they act the part, not when they try to show us humans how similar they are to us in some ways. Oh well, this particular bunch probably won't be back any time soon, and next week Angel can get on to darker adversaries. If they do come back, I hope they all get killed off fast. :) Ep gets a 7/10, thumbs down on the villains and up on everything else.

**SPOILERS FOR BUFFY AND ANGEL END**

Pistoff: Good job on the beauty rant. I'd give specific comments but what I could say has already been said by a lot of other people. :) One thing I've unfortunately found true about beautiful people that you may have forgot to mention is that they generally develop a snotty attitude due to their looks. IE they assume that because everyone says they look great they are above everyone else and treat the rest of the world like that. And because people don't want to get these beautiful jerks angry at them, they too often give in to the implications of the snobby attitudes and assume their assessments are correct. :( Worst thing is, I used to be one of the dupes who fall victim to this. Glad I'm not anymore. Hope that soon all the people out there who look good physically and think they're beautiful but are really not take your advice and wake up. True beauty, IMO, must shine from good qualities within someone, not just be visible on the outside.

Green Baron: I too find long dark hair a beautiful quality in a woman (glad Kit has it, <grin>). Of course, a nice self-sufficient personality, a positive mature attitude, and all the qualities Kit listed earlier are even more nice to see in someone, IMO. No matter how they look.

SJ: Indeed we do have some lovely ladies in here <smiles at them>. I'll be your backup in the verbal execution of anyone who badmouths them, friend. :) BTW, you and Jackal don't need to worry about me having a guilt complex, especially not over a guy like Aris (you all know what I think of him as a result of our recent flame war, right?). Guilt is an emotion I gave up having a long time ago, and since then I've done my best to live without it. IMO, I think as a result I have had a much better life.

Dusk Till Dawn 3: Thanks for letting me know it's out, Dags. I have to stop by my local video store. Hope it's at least as good as number 1 (which was excellent except for the lack of romance) and better than number 2 was (I hated number 2).

Spike: Glad I'm not the only writer in here who doesn't want their stuff MSTed. :) BTW, any progress on that Asrial Interactive story you said you'd be writing a few weeks back?

Stephen: I too hope your story gets in the magazine. Good luck.

Mandi: Coyote gave you good advice, I'll second it. I like your face too. :) Your personality makes you even more beautiful. Hope you are able to realize this and keep your chin up, I'll be pulling for you. :) <reads editor rant, grimaces> Uh oh, sounds like there's a jerk in charge of your magazine. If I were in charge, I'd fire her. <sighs> My best advice to you is just deal with it for now and hope that someday she will get the loss of position she deserves (and that you'll have a better editor). Keep doing your part of the magazine, too, no matter what. To slack off on it is to let the people like her win your fight.

<grins contentedly> Listening to Primitive Radio Gods' "Broken Phone Booth" on the radio now. I think it's one of the best songs of this decade, despite the fact that it doesn't mention its title in the lyrics (which I like because they say a lot of good things about history and human behavior. The song's got a catchy tune too). I'd appreciate it, Robby, if you could find me a file version of it. Good luck. And since that's all for now, good night. <bows and leaves>

**MORE RP, PLEASE EXCUSE THE VIOLENT DEATHS**

Inside a CBS studio in downtown Los Angeles, the cast of Friends, along with their director, producer, and crew have assembled to tape a new episode. "Alright," the director is telling them. "Now remember in this one we're going to add a little more character to each of your roles. Try to develop it." "Uh, this character is going to be gone and forgotten by the time the episode ends, right?" Courtney Cox asks. "It better be," says Dave Schwimmer. "You know how we like to treat these roles as never really changing in relationships, problems, or personalities." The others nod in agreement. "Relax," says the producer. "Our viewers don't like it either, so yes, the development will be edited out. We're just throwing it in for now so the people who care will keep thinking we're an intelligent show." "That's good," says Jennifer Aniston. "I would hate to be acting in something that stayed intelligent. It's so much easier to act dumb." The guy who plays Joey (forgot his name) laughs in agreement. "Yeah, especially when you're dumb and funny, and you look good. I can't believe how the public eats it up." "Their choice," Lisa Kudrow chuckles, "and their problem, which we are only too happy to cause for a million dollars each every month." "Guys," the director interrupts them. "We have to start taping. Places!" The actors all nod and rush to spots on the set of Chandler's apartment. "Okay," the director tells them, "you all know the scene. Lights, camera, three, two, one, action!" He and the producer sit back to watch. "Ross," Aniston begins, "we need to talk." "Yes?" Schwimmer asks, slipping easily into his dumb deluded alter-ego. "What is it, Rachel?" Aniston looks around at the gathered characters, frowns, and then shrugs, her expression saying she is willing to talk with them nearby. "This marriage of ours, I'm starting to think it might be a good thing after all, I..."

She is interrupted as the noise of a grenade exploding suddenly goes off and smoke fills the room. "What the hell?" Joey coughs. "This isn't in the script!" "Of course it isn't," Asil's voice laughs out of the fog. "We're making a new episode of your show here. The final episode. The One Where Everybody Dies!" The smoke clears at that dramatic instant, revealing that Kit's evil clone and the Dirty Laundry Gang are now in the studio. "Cut!" the director yells at them. "Get off the set! You're not supposed to be here!" "Shut up, loser!" Static snaps back at him. "You're not in charge here anymore!" He fires a bolt of electricity and fries the director to a crisp, then does the same to the cameraman and several of the fleeing crew. The other DLG meanwhile turn their fury on the Friends stars. Scrubber grabs Jennifer Aniston and crushes her head like a melon, creating a sudden rush of air. Staina cackles maniacally and sprays Dave Schwimmer with highly acidic contact poison, ruining his face behind all recognition before he dies of the pain. Lint Man gets Joey in a choke hold and allows Socko to pummel him repeatedly in vital areas, one blow for every bad episode of his show and some extra (needless to say, he dies). Bleach Man grabs the protesting Courtney Cox and pulls her to him, kissing her full on the lips. "Ah!" she pushes him away. "No! Get off me!" She breaks free of the shocked womanizer's grip just in time for Al Detergent to mow down both her and the whining and screaming Lisa Kudrow with a machine gun while Nylon Man looks on and tries to keep from throwing up at the sight of blood. "What are you doing?" the producer whines at them. "Stop this! You can't kill our station's most popular stars!" "I can and we are," Asil replies, raising her BFG rifle and blowing him away before he can make any more protests. She then turns and points it at Matthew Perry, who is looking very worried. "Uh, are you guys going to kill me now?" he asks. Asil shakes her head, though she does look disappointed. "For you we have other plans. Hope you enjoy them." She gestures at Scrubber, who knocks Perry out with a blow to the head and then picks him up. "We're done here, Detergent," Asil says. "You preformed well." He grins. "So are we hired now?" "I'll tell you back at the base," Asil replies. "Come on, let's go." They leave the building and rush back to their vehicles just as studio security forces begin to arrive on the blood-drenched set of the show formerly known as Friends.

**END THIS RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 01:08:17 AM
IP: pool-207-205-237-159.dlls.grid.net

*enters, holding SD Xelloss-kun, who is fast asleep and looking diabolically cute.* My, my it's late. I have to stop taking in so much caffiene.

Mandolin:: Uh... there there... here, have some tea. It's good for you.

*Wakes up SD Xelloss, who politely fetches some tea for the ranter before going back to sleep*

Shogun Rpator:: Yeah, I know I saw that post somewhere this summer.. it was great. Lemme see if I remember any...

"When escaping, I will never stop to pose dramatically and toss off a one-liner"

"I will never have a son. Although his half-baked schemes for usurping my throne will undoubtedly fail, they may distract me from conctrating on destroying my nemisis."

"If a messenger runs into the room, panting and obviously having vital information that cannot wait, I will not ignore him in lieu of having my hair trimmed"

"I will not grow a goatee, in the old days it used to make you look diabolical, no it just makes you look like another disenfranchised member of Generation X"

"I will never utter 'I am invincible', for that will be the exact momnet of my demise"

"I will never have a daughter, for although she will be as evil as she is beautiful, on look at the Hero's rugged countanence and she will willing turn on her parents and become a critical part of the Resistance."

That's all i can think of right now.. need sleep..

Goodnight y'all!

*leaves, humming "Lullaby" to SD Xelloss-kun, teh pot of tea out for any one needing tea*

Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 12:36:48 AM
IP: spider-tp043.proxy.aol.com

COYOTE - Had to comment on what you said to Mandi, brother... <pats Don on the back and hands him a honorary Big White Hat> Fantastic! When someone tells someone something like that, they have to be one of the good guys! Welcome to the club, Bubba! :) <tips his own BWH>

Mandi, is this a great guy or what? :)

GREAT NEWS! - I sent of a query to a online e-zine, to see if I could finally get one of my original stories published, and they replied back saying that they want to look at what I have. I sent off one of my more recent stories tonight... here's hoping that it makes the grade! :)

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 12:23:07 AM
IP: ppp-442.icehouse.net

**At first, there is silence. Then the unmistakable roar of a hoarse throat screaming into a megaphone is heard.**

AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaagggggghhh!!!!!

**RANT WARNING!! MAJOR PETTY RANT WARNING!**

That does it. Lizz, the editor of the lit magazine must die. I am only the ASSOCIATE editor, and I've done more work than she.

1) She tells us Friday that the rough draft of the layout has to be done by Monday - only she neglects to tell Jen, our layout expert, the bit about the rough draft.
2) Jen and Michelle go mental over the weekend trying to put something into MS Publisher. Not all the submissions fit into 32 pages. Lizz is unreachable for the entire weekend.
3) Sunday night she leaves a message on my machine explaining that she thinks 10 X 10 pages are "absurdly large" for the issue and that we should go down to 8 x 8. When Jen learns the layout has to be in Thursday, she and Michelle start plotting homicide. I get to be peacemaker, although I agree with them.
4) Monday night meeting: Jen, Michelle, and I basically tell Lizz to go to hell. She backs off on the page size... but it appears she forgot to check with the publisher if MS Publisher works or not for them.
5) This morning, she calls me. Oops, she forgot to check, and we have to use Quark XPress. Ruth and I search all over campus for a Quark CD we can use and finally wheedle one out of the IT department. Lizz promises to come over and help me redo layout tonight
6) I spend maybe three hours getting the picture files uploaded to my computer (the PC in our office has a faulty CD-ROM drive) and convert all the written pieces into text format. I leave three messages on Lizz's machine.
7) Finally, I try to run the Quark installer. It doesn't work. All evidence points to a faulty CD-ROM disc.
8) Message number four to Lizz. I get some ice cream and kick Ruth and Michelle out of my room so I can maybe get around to study for my Culture of India exam. It is now 11:30.

To top it all off, while I have no proof, she also apparently lost the $2100 check the Media Board gave us to publish this damn thing. (Okay, maybe it was our adviser, maybe it was our treasurer, I know I'm biased... but *I* never lost a check when I was editor!)

**END RANT! YOU CAN COME OUT NOW!**

My freshman "little sis" and I are finally watching this week's X-Files I taped... and she's getting a little too wrapped up in the episode. Better go keep an eye on her. :)
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 12:05:51 AM
IP: 144.175.18.15

They say the mind works much faster than one can speak or even listen. And type. That's not true for me, as I typed "future ex-MR. SJ" instead of the correct "future ex-MRS. SJ". Why must my hands work faster than my tiny little brain? It's a consipracy I tell you....like that story "The Body Politic" by Clive Barker, they (the Hands, the Hands!!!) have a life of their own...
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 12:00:34 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

***BEGIN RP***
In the medical lab of the Avatar, SJ's health seems to be improving at a steady rate.
<> Corrie the Wookie medical chief told them. <<His condition has stabilized and is progressing rather well. He will still need much time to recover, but he no longer needs intensive care.>>
"I want to stay with him," Kari said rather matter-of-factly.
"Yes," Sevarius chimed in. "And so do I."
Corrie nodded her large, shaggy head. <>
***END RP***

The Porn Guy: Yeah, it was waaaay uncomfortable. Not the first time this has happened to me though. I mean, I'm a supporter of the first amendment, so I suppose I think that the guy has a right to check out some porn. I mean, if you're a heterosexual male in this country (or in other countries, not just Americans are pervs! ;), you've seen a pair of naked breasts somewhere in a magazine or on Skinemax. You may not fixate on it, but for one moment, you were probably fascinated ;) The thing is, it was so totally out of place, and downright disrespectful to be viewing that stuff *right there*, in the open, when others are trying to work. Like I said, it was just an uncomfortable feeling. I try to browse the CR, and Porn Boy over there is scoping out the Triple X Anal Adventures of Ginger Lynn.
That's not the worst, though. Last week I was in the same lab, doing some work, and the guy next to me was checking out the Gore Gallery. If you've seen this site, you know what it's like, and you know that only the truly f***ed in the head enjoy that crap. I'm trying to work on a presentation and at the same time burn a hole in the monitor with my eyes so that I don't catch a peripheral glimpse of the psycho next to me drooling over some autopsy pics. Messed up, man, messed up.

JackaL: Where you been? Can't say we didn't miss you, cause we all did. Don't be gone so long next time! :) BTW, is Aris gone? Always thought you'd be the one to do that...but you're right, trying to lay a guilt trip on Doug would be pretty damn low. That passive-aggressive bullsh*t doesn't fly with me.

Gotta disagree with you about Jesse Jackson, though. I heard he got arrested today, which I think was excessive. But he shouldn't be campaigning for those boys who fought at that football game. This is EXACTLY what is wrong with our school system--kids acting like freaks and beating the crap out of each other, committing violent acts, and when they are actually punished (justly, I believe) for their behavior, they get none other than Jesse Jackson trying to get them off. They damn near rioted over a football game. If we had more schools expelling kids when they started crap like this, maybe schools would be a little safer.

Lucifer: I like the take that the folks working on the Cliffhanger comic book "Crimson" have on ol' Beelzebub. In that book, Lucifer fell cause he wanted more power than he was given, and he continues to lead evil cause of the power it gives him. He's stronger than almost anyone else (save God and maybe the archangel Michael). What I find very pleasing is that, in the comic, God has a standing offer to completely forgive Satan, THE Archenemy. I find it rewarding to see God portrayed as so forgiving that he (she? God did appear as a little girl in the issue I'm thinking of) is willing to embrace the most evil creature on earth back into the heavenly fold.
I do not sympathize with the Devil in real life (I say RL because I personally believe in a Lucifer/Satan being). Goes in with free will--Lucifer made his choice, and boy, it was a bad one. I also happen to believe that he (or "it", cause, being an angel, it is supposed to be genderless, no?) is extremely sorry of the choice it made, but is unwilling to change and admitt error. Pride was its first sin, remember. It must live the most miserable existence in al of reality.

From Dusk Til Dawn 3: God, I hope it's better than part 2. That was the biggest turdfest I've ever seen. I rented it cause I heard my man Bruce Campbell was in it, and he was....for about a minute. The rest was about a bunch of vampires tyring to rob a bank. Horrible effects, virtually non-existent plot, and Rob Patrick is NO George Clooney.

Saving Private Ryan: I have never watched this film, nor do I have any attention to, thanks in full to Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg. I could maybe get into the movie....except that these two jabronies had to go on every talk show and talk about what a great thing they were doing, making a big screen history legend about the horrors of WW2. Puh-lease. Make a goddamn movie about WW2, okay. Don't preach about what a great benefit you're giving society by making said movie. I hate them both...self-important bastards. The final blow came when I heard Tom Hanks ask people to send in donations to help build a memorial for WW2 vets. Good idea, huh? But think about what I just said--he asked OTHER PEOPLE FOR MONEY. Hello! You're Mr. rich movie star. You care so much about the damn veterans, YOU pay for the damn memorial yourself. What would a really nice one cost? A million? Not only could you afford it, but people would love you for it, and hell, you could maybe right it off your income taxes. Man, I have such rage against these two. Self-righteous jerks. Neither have ever been in anything remotely resembling combat before.
This also kind of goes along with my near pathological hatred of Titanic. I've never seen that either, but I know I hate it. And I'm not just talking about the Leo DiCap factor here. I've heard from so many people how GREAT the film is, that I HATE it. I get like that....as soon as *everyone* tells me how great something is, the little "conformity bells" in my head start ringing, and part of me lashes out.
Isn't it great to be me? That's two irrational hatreds of people and things that have done me no harm. Then again, if I ever did become rational, even I would be scared of me ;0)

Women firefighters: They changed the standards? That's brilliant, real brilliant. Now we have underqualified individuals fighting fires. Who would you rather have save you from a burning building, a woman who has passed the standards for the average male, or the woman who got the job because somebody lowered the bar to please feminists? I know my choice. There are many women capable of passing the rigorous tests without getting any preferential treatment.

Sort of an update on Michael Jackson...it looks more and more like he will portray Poe. That's a mystery that ranks up there with Amelia Earheart or the Roanoke disappearance if you ask me.
But the big news is that he's looking for a distributor for the book he's just done. It's a picture book about his love of children. I'm not making that up. Please, someone agree with me when I say how horribly wrong that this.

***BUFFY & ANGEL REVIEWS***

BUFFY: Holy Van Helsing, Batman, it IS the Inquisition!
Well, one jam-packed episode tonight! Personally, big, big, big hats off to Joss Whedon. Going into this season, he promised that the college would not be what it seemed...and boy, he was right! (I wish MY college had an elite demon-hunting group...) Even more shocking to see Riley and the Psych teacher as rather influential members of the group. But it does make me wonder why they are subduing and experimenting on the monsters instead of outright killing them. Those behavior suppressing chips work wonders, though!
Very nice development on Riley. We get to see him as both love-struck regular guy, and take charge monster-hunter. I his dual identity both amusing and ironic--perhaps he is Buffy's perfect mate. They certainly seem to share some of the same interests! I'm excited to see how things turn out when one or the other discovers who they really are.
Nice work with Willow, too. God I love her. She was great as Riley's "accomplice", and was absolutely hilarious with Spike (well, after the unpleasant almost rape-like attack he made on her before the commercial break). "You don't really want to bite me, do you? I've heard it before. 'You're like a sister to me...'" Somewhere, in a perfect world, Alison Hannigan would be the future ex-Mr. SJ. ;)
Spike was great too, especially when his bloodlust departed him. He's a nasty villain, but you just can't help liking the guy. The best thing about Spike, though, is that I think he's gonna be a full-time cast member for this season. Anybody else notice the opening credits? He was listed with the regular cast! No "guest starring", just "Starring". Hope this lasts the full season ;)
And finally, Xander and Giles made a perfect team. Hope Giles enjoyed the raspberry fruit punch.

Angel: Not the best episode of the series; the humor was fun, and I suppose we needed a lighter episode, but I think Angel works best when the real dark side of LA is involved. Best thing about the episode was that we learn much more about Doyle's background. It's getting hard for me to watch him, though, cause I'm really growing to like the character (and so does Cordy, it would seem)...and as we all unfortunately know, he's gonna get martyred before too long.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:48:37 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

my bad, THIS is how that passage went
If I have children and subsequently grandchildren, I will keep my three-year-old granddaughter near me at all times. When the hero enters to kill me, I will ask him to first explain to her why it is necessary to kill her beloved grandpa. When the hero launches into an explanation of morality way over her head, that will be her cue to pull the lever and send him into the pit of crocodiles. After all, small children like crocodiles almost as much as Evil Overlords and it's important to spend quality time with the grandkids.
shogun raptor
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:44:26 PM
IP: mia1-wc2.atlas.digex.net

Princess mera> roses do have a deadly beauty, why just the other day my cousin was walking home, minding his own business, buying some roses when he was hit by a bus (J/K, they were marigolds)
shogun raptor
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:32:24 PM
IP: user-38lddn1.dialup.mindspring.com

**Walks in and sees the roses on the table. Takes one with lots of thorns.**

Thank you, I have always liked roses. I think of them as deadly beauty. Although that is not much of a surprise to anyone, considering the things Valentine has been saying about me. :) I don't know what he's talking about, I am always kind and gentle.

Beauty- I loved the rant. I always hate it when people are cruel to someone because of how they look. In 8th grade I got taunted and made fun of every day by a couple of jerks.

Religous Stuff- First of all, in the Garden, God told Adam and Eve that they were not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil lest they die. This did not mean that they would physicaly drop dead the moment they ate the fruit. He meant that their souls would be condemned to eternal death, Hell. But God loved man and so he sent his son to earth to die for the sins of the world. Through the death and resurection of Jesus we can have eternal life with God in heaven if we obey God's commands.

As for Judas, he did not have to betray Jesus, he chose to. God did not made him do it, he only knew he would do it. Judas could have repented and been forgiven, but he chose not to.

Pilat was afraid of the people. He did not want to kill an innocent man, but even more he wanted to satisfy the crowd.

FOUR DAYS UNTIL I AM WITH VALENTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **Runs around the room in very unprincess-like excitement, shouting ** "ONLY FOUR DAYS, ONLY FOUR DAYS" **Steps on the hem of her dress, falls to the ground and rolls forward for a few seconds, then quickly gets up. Looks around innocently while murmering softly** "No, nothing happened, nothing at all."

Princess Mera
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:17:46 PM
IP: library.harding.edu

Bookfest > it was in Seattle at the Convention Center, for whoever asked that I forgot ; )

Pistoff > got the 'beauty' thing; I will read it soon! Thanks for sending it.

Not much else to say; Mom arrived last night and is spoiling Becca terribly ... and we haven't even gotten to the mall yet!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 09:43:14 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

this talk of villains and cool stuff reminds me of a passage someone once told me from "If I ever become an evil overlord"
"...I would have many children and they would bear forth many adorable grandchildren, that way when the hero breached my inner sanctum, he would have to contend with all those children and while he explained to little doe-eyed stephanie and billy why he needed to kill her beloved grandpa I could behead him and throw him in the alligator pit (kids just love alligators)
shogun raptor
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 09:29:00 PM
IP: user-38lddn1.dialup.mindspring.com

**Mandi comes in, still talking through the megaphone.**

Yep, I still sound like the chain-smoking makeup artist from _The Critic._ And it probably won't go away soon. Oh well, it could be worse.... this could have happened the week before the play. :)

Coyote> *blush* Awww... thanks. I just want to fit into my jeans more comfortably.

MiSTings> Okay, I used to frequent the Dibs List, which is supposedly the "official" venue for putting dibs on pieces to MiST (not that everyone goes that route, anyway). This was basically their policy on MiSTings: PERMISSION is a must. If the author doesn't want you to MiST it, don't. There are plenty of authors who are good sports, who will let you if you ask... maybe under a few conditions, but they will. You have to ASK. One such author is me, depending on the fic.

Okay. Our esteemed lit magazine editor is not showing, so it seems I'm going to be pulling an all-nighter redoing the layout by myself. I just watched Buffy, found it interesting, but don't have time to comment. Night all.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 09:08:17 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

>>>MiST project: Now, I have already begun the first story in the project, which I have called "Demona's Payback" for quite obvious
reasons... I won't reveal any of the action, but I guess I should state that I have chosen Avery's Bad Day to be MiSTed... unless
Spike has a reasonable objection, that is. Mara, what do you say you're in line to write episode two? Obviously based on my fic,
that is. :)

Spike objects MOST heavily.
No, you may NOT do anything with "Avery's Bad Day."

Warpmind, if you're going to MiST anything, kindly confine it to your own stories. At the very LEAST, if you're going to do some sort of humorous satire based on SOMEONE ELSE'S STORIES, do have the courtesy to ASK THEIR PERMISSION *before* they have to read about it in a public forum like THIS one.
Spike
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 08:07:05 PM
IP: pppt03-27.ght.iadfw.net

Goddamn Doug, is Aris really gone?!?? Don't let him put a guilt trip on you. As Jonathan Davis of KoRn would say, "F**k all that bullsh*t!"

Thanks for the welcome back yall!! I love all of you!!! (Sorow)- not that I'm singling anybody out or nothin... :o)

There's some extreme weirdness goin on in here..., I don't know what to say about it..., for once I'm speechless.

Yall heard about Jesse Jackson??? He's the bomb now! :o)

Who's ready to start partin for the new year?!? This big of an occation can't be done in 2 dayz.., a week.. nahh..., 2 months!!

NiN The Fragile- I had it, but some little teenage punk bitches stole it from me..., but if I'm not mistaken (which I could be), I think I reviewed it..., it's coolness.

KoRn Issues- Haven't got it nor heard it yet....
JackaL - [Jackal1127@hotmail.com]
Center of Hell, Ga
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 07:26:16 PM
IP: spider-we074.proxy.aol.com

*walks in, in gargoyle form, SD Demmie-chan and SD Xelloss-kun folling and holding hands like good little creativity demons should*

Hi folks!

Aaron: "(That was actually my favorite thing about Future Tense: Only in a world where everything else has gone completely to Hell can Brooklyn have a successful relationship)"

LOL! So very true... so very true...

Spacebabie:"*Begins dancing* My Subtitaled Sailormoon tapes arived recently and VKLL does a great job at subtitaling. "

I recently got to see episode199 and 200 (?) of Stars when Sailor moon battle Galaxia... really good... especially after trying to figure out what they were saying all this time in the little Quicktime movies I have in the original Japanese.

Green baron::Mara> I read them all and I love them. I wonder how the ones inbetween will be like. I do begin to pity Demona a little for her pnishment :)

If anything, pity Angela.. she didn't do anythin wrong and still she has to read em... Angie-chan's the real victim.
As for 2-4, Demona probably will seem much more openly hostile and harsh-spoken in comparison to WEEDS. t'll be as funny as possible, but remember... the garg's going through issues during all of this since she is trying to "redeem" herself.

Warpie-sama::
MiST project: Now, I have already begun the first story in the project, which I have called "Demona's Payback" "Demona's Payback" for quite obvious reasons... I won't reveal any of the action, but I guess I should state that I have chosen Avery's Bad Day to be MiSTed... unless
Spike has a reasonable objection, that is. Mara, what do you say you're in line to write episode two? Obviously based on m

I'll be happy to. :) Just let me know the format in advance and you got it!

Coyote Hmm ... interesting shrine combo (Demona and Xelloss). I've got to check it out sometime

Take your time, it's not fully up yet, I have a ton of images ot upload. As for the combo, you can't get more zarbi, ne?

*SD Demmie-chan and SD Xelloss-kun nod solemnly"*

Delphi:: great anecdote on teachers...

Warpie-dear again:
Mara Cordova: You still haven't told me which of my 'fics you plan to MiST yet... and now I know where you live... ;)
So You're the guy hiding behind my shower curtain, aren't you? ;)

But seriously, I'm really curious now. And the really fun thing is, I can't complain afterwards, either! I asked for it. Literally.

He hee... ain't it great? As for which one I'm using, I'll let Xelloss answer that one... How about it, Xel?

*SD Xelloss-kun opens adorable violet eye, holding a plump SD finger to his cute chibi lips. (can you tell I'm hung up on this anime character, or what?) *

Xelloss::Sore wa... himitsu desu.

And on that note... we're outta here

*leaves, SD Demmie-chan and SD Xelloss-kun arm in arm and chanting "I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves and this is how it goes.I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves and this is how it goes.....I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves and this is how it goes... ad nauseum.*

Mara Cordova - [<===The last word in Zarbi couple shrines...]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 07:08:46 PM
IP: spider-tj043.proxy.aol.com

RRrfff!!

All right all this talk about false fire alarms I've been reading has officially jinxed me!! We just had a false one here at work, and I had to walk down 11 flights of stairs!!

Whew!!!
jenna
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 06:28:48 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Just thought I'd share something I found at work today. (Lucky for you guys I'm not a sewer maintainance worker or a homicide detective)

Faith on Trial, by Pamela Binnings Ewen
ISBN 0805420266

The author is a lawyer who examines the four gospels according to the federal rules of evidence. Her conclusions are that the gospel accounts of the life, death, and ressurection of Jesus would be admissible as evidence, and would be convincing enough to prove the case.
I've only finished half the book, so I don't know how she pulls that last part off, but from the introduction, I gather that she means to try.

I just thought some of you might be interested, in light of our recent topics of discussion.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 06:02:15 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Aaron- you better get better grrrr!! :P Hope you get better Roomie- HUGZ

Love the new ep-- awesome job!!!!!!!! Regarding Iago being too shallow- well, I just don't see it; because there is another motive he has besides jealosy. Another motive that you may have to read between the lines to see, and given the writer's sublty on this, I must say it was excellently well written- making it approptiate to Y7-

His other motive -L - U- S- T. He wants a female, and it sounds like any female will do. And if it serves to spite Goliath, that only makes it better. But this must be a motive of his, otherwise he would not be open to the suggestion of taking "Goliath's tinkering mate." Lust has to be present to want to seduce someone, and as it sounds like he would cheat on anyone if Desdemona gave him the option, so he lusts for her too.

Again, Shauntell and Johnathan delt with this potentially adult topic in such a way that it is approprite for Y7 readers. Excellently well written and well drawn.
jenna
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 05:08:15 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

I'm getting better! Really!

jewel> Well, my Car-o-scope said my Nova and I were way unsuited for each other, but I think no matter what you say it says you're incompatible. And I did finally find a copy of The Dream Hunters. Beautiful, but what a downer. (Like I should have expected anything else. It is a japanese legend set in the Sandman universe, neither of which are real cheery)

Anne> Well, I'm a sucker for Brooklyn/Demona universes personally. (That was actually my favorite thing about Future Tense: Only in a world where everything else has gone completely to Hell can Brooklyn have a successful relationship) It's almost a pity I can't do that with my own fics. Then again... Demmie's immortal, and Frank is a lot older the Brooklyn, and does lead a dangerous life, so who knows what might happen in the future....

Wilek><Villians have the coolest stuff> Right on! And as long as they stay away from classic villian mistakes, they can do pretty much what they want to, whereas heroes are sort of bound by a set of heroic expectations. (On the other hand, that's why it's so cool when a hero violates one or more of those expectations)

Jenna> Happy Birthday! Hugz.

SJ> Happy B-day to you too. Asner's 70, since you were wondering. And you're right about L F Boyle. WTF is up with that? She used to be so pretty too.

Pistoff> Just thought I'd mention this. The Pizza Hut I go to just took out their jukebox, saying they were "Tired of listening to Livin' La Vida Loca six times a night."

Satan> I always loved that Sandman where he realizes that God suckered him, and he quits. I wish DC would TPB The Morningstar Gambit, which showed what he did afterwards.

Well, I must go now in search of office supplies.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 04:20:26 PM
IP: ppp-185.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

**SPOILERS FOR CURRENT DARK AGES EPISODE**

I liked this episode although I did feel that it had one or two problems with it.

First I think that Iago is being portrayed a bit shallow with only one major motivation in his mind - jealousy. It seems to be the only thing that causes him to do anything. I've always pictured him as starting out truly in love with Desdemona except that she never felt the same way towards him and unintentionally shunned him in favor of Othello. And from that point his feelings warped into jealousy and hate. Here he is being shown to have started out as just a villian, who just wants Desdemona because he became infatuated with her but who would be willing to move his desire of her to any other female Gargoyle as long as it would cause trouble. With the Archmage I could accept shallow motivations but Iago should have a little more depth to him.

Also I thought his plot to manipulate Javin seems too similier to what we saw him do in LEGION. I could believe though how easily Javin was manipulated. With him and the other newly introduced characters, the writers have managed to keep their ages in perspective. Remember that it's 972 or 973 - Goliath and his generation are only in the area of 16 or 17 years old. Goliath, even being responsible and in obvious training for second in command seems way too stiff and adult for a 17 year old. I'm not saying he should be acting like 1995 Brooklyn but I think that he should be a much more easy going individual in 972 when he has almost no responsibility than in 994 when he is leader.

Second is what seems to be the imprinting of a democratic system on the 970's Wyvern Clan. It's one thing for Hudson to have some of his generation giving him advice (although to be honest, shouldn't most of them be dead by now given that Gargoyles lead such violent lives in this era especially?) and to have the Eldest trying to influence him but all this pressure and heartache they seem to be giving him over picking a second in command seems more in line with a human system than with a Gargoyle system. The leader let's not forget is the final word in everything. He can and will listion to the advice of others in his clan but once he makes a decision, the others fall in line. There are just too few Gargoyles for the idea of leaving in protest to work. This isn't a democracy. So when he tells everyone to basically buzz off and stop bugging him, they should listion except maybe the Eldest who should be the only one left who should be able to speak her mind without any care for what Hudson orders them to do.

I did like the entire Demona/what's his name plot. It makes sense that her relationship would fall apart trying to work for the Archmage. What I do think though is that the Archmage should be much more in control of his temper when dealing with her than he's being shown to have. Demona is eager to learn but I don't think that even at 17 that she was a pushover and that she would take all that abuse. She's not Ian after all.

All in all this was a pretty good episode despite what I thought were one or two weak points. And it had magnificent illustrations plus of course it had a great cliffhanger ending. I eagerly await part 2.

**END OF SPOILERS FOR CURRENT DARK AGES EPISODE**
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 04:10:13 PM
IP: 4.new-york-33-34rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Jannie: <However, I still find it in great distaste for a very large person to wear biker shorts! *shudders*>
<Shudder> I suddenly have horrifying thoughts about G98's costume party.

Zath: <Hypothetical Incest>
Hmm... interesting...Well, there is also the chance that the child at the end could be comprised of only half of Demona's genetic structure.
Disk Space: Eeek... I am a packrat too. I am just too lazy to back up. (BTW... at one point I had three hard drives full (31gb) just because I didn't want to backup.

Coyote: Yep, I will send you the photos.

draconis: Petition: Hmm... Gargoyles is up to 208 signatures... makes me wonder...

Night walker: <she just graduated from nursing school>
Hmm.... <Opens mouth to speak, but decides that joke is not for this room, then closes mouth>

shogun raptor: Jiggly Puff: Ok, now that's just cruel. <G>

Jessie Feff: Hack the Furby: Hmm... well, it IS just a voice chip with a few other circuits. Let me see what I can find...
Oh boy... did I find alot of stuff! Check my link for a LIST of Furby Hack sites.
(Or just check out www.hackfurby.com) (That is a FUNNY site!)

SOROW: General physics?

PRAISE <FIRST-THOUGHT//GIVER-OF-WILL>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 03:27:44 PM
IP: 216.90.45.197

Spacebabie: Gah, yeah I remember Garbage Pail Kids. This one boy brought a bunch to school one time and grossed everyone out. Seems like you could get away with bringing stuff like that to school back then.
I hope this Pokemon craze dies out soon. Seems like everytime I turn on the tv I'm confronted with that maddeningly cute little rodent Pikachu.

For anyone with B-days: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
Infinity
New Castle, IN, USA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 03:18:01 PM
IP: nltc2-152.nltc.net

*Enters the room with Goochy the Jellyfish and Neon the Seahorse*

Wow I go away for a little while and everybody gets religious

I speak on the subject but everybody said what I was going to say.

A cursing Furby? Mine doesnt curse it belches,hiccups and blows rasberry's but it doesnt curse.

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAYS TO JENNA AND SJ

I don't no about you but When I see Christmas Commercial on tv I turn it off. At least Publix is airing a Thanksgiving one.

*Begins dancing* My Subtitaled Sailormoon tapes arived recently and VKLL does a great job at subtitaling.

Yes I've also been playing Pokemon but I'm not bad as my brother who orders the BK kids meals just for the prizesand I don't collect those cards*Knocks the pokemon cards on the floor and bringins out her magic the gathering cards* Who wants to play.

About those cards and parents and some Uberrelicious people I can remeber when I was in elementary school and all the kids were collecting and trading Garbage Pail Kids stickers
(Anybody remember them) And I don't remember being told they were banned from schools. and they were disgusting...compared to the cute pokemon...geez things have gone downhill.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida, USA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:37:15 PM
IP: ts004d46.orl-fl.concentric.net

RP WARNING!!!
**Margaret Thatcher's hideaway in Switzerland. Margaret Thatcher is sitting on a sofa petting Attila, while the Catholic schoolgirl scouts listen to her plans.
"As you know there is a code among us Barons. As a Baroness and a former Prime Minsiter of Great Britain, I contacted your cute boss and fellow Baron. While many of us may not apporve of some methods Pinochet used to save Chile from Communism and make it a model of South America economically, we all agree that apprehending a man in the middle of back surgery is wrong, especially since hsi indictment is an act of revenge by the elite left who resented his overthrow of a Communist plot to make Chile a sattllite for the evil Empire, now ocnfined to Cuba and the Humanities Departmnets of a few American Colleges, like UC Sanat Cruz and the Ivy League.

I will pay you all 50,000 pounds to release Generalissimo Aususte Pinochet Ugarto and return him to my home in London, where David Horwoitz and his pilot will fly him to Santiago. After that, we will let God judge the actions of this 87 year old statesman, not some slipshod Spanish Judge who cannot even link Pinochet to the alleged attrocities, which pale in comparison to any other Latin American country. You will leave with me to London tommorrow and by the week's end, Pinochet shall be a free man.**
END RP for now!!

SJ> I have a similar wierd story. Some kids went to a pre-College program at Loyola and accsed porn sites on these information desks in one of Loyola's building,a nd just left the images on there for all to see, which my motehr found a bit amusing, but disgusting. Some people really have poor taste.

Ironwolf> Well said and of course, I would expect such valor from a fellow Baron. I od wish I came up with the roses idea first, but I can promise a showing of the Full Monty by Attila and myself to all the ladies who are in the proper age group :)

As for the drink, I don't drink Alchohol generally, but Attila might like a second helping :) ::Attila drinks a second glass of tequilla and passes out:: I guess two shots is too much for a 12 pound cat :)

Jewel> Well, as appearances go, I've seen pictures of you and I think you are very attractive, and if I saw you on the street, I wouldn't be worried about you trying to mug me.

Pistoff> I don't think you're ugly, but you do look a little intimadting. I hope you're not offended, but if I saw you, I would do best to stay on your good side.

Janine> Well, I think a healthy woman is much more attractive than someone who looks like they need an Ally McBeal. If someone appears too large, I'd be a little concerned, because of health reasons, but that would be it.

Kaioto> I remember fire alarms and I hate them too. I wanted to find the guys who did it and make them skinny dip in the pool on a cold winter night.

As fo rour Court system, it's a good thing we have those three swing voters on the bench (O'Connor, Souter, and Kennedy), so no side can become too powerful.

Warpmind> Such fanatics are a dime a dozen. Luckily, most are all talk and just annoying.

Jenna> In that same Religion class, we saw a vidoe about the equality of men and women, and varying opinions of it. Most of the class would agree with your take after that video. I also thnk Phyllis Schlafly had soem good things to say on the subject, too :)

Anne> How far are you in fic completion?

Mara> I read them all and I love them. I wonder how the ones inbetween will be like. I do begin to pity Demona a little for her pnishment :)

Kaioto> It may have been more noble of Pilate to spare Jesus, but the people wanted Barabas released and Jesus would decline a pardon. I also doubt that Pontius Pilate would have done the noble thing. He is an official of the Roman Empire and Rome was not known for decency at all. He was also a very corrupt man outside of the trial. Pilate was not a Roman citizen, though. he was born in Southern Italy and sent there by Livius Sejanus, a corrupt Praefect under Tiberius. Sejanus was later killed when his treachery was dsicovered and so were his allies, except for some remote folks like Pilate (basically a police chief of Jerusalem). Pilate was also a greedy man who later slaughtered a Jewish household on a tip about a treasure hoard and a cache of weapons to be used by zealots. There was no treasure and the Jewish official swere pretty POed, so they sent word to Tiberius and he sent back for Pilate, and realized Pilate was a Sejanus crony who wwas not killed. When Tiberius arrived back at Rome, Calligula was Emperor and he threw Pilate in prison, then tapped him with a sword saying, "You're dead. Now get out of Rome or you will truly be dead." I guess Pilate must be pretty awful if Calligula spared him :)

Judas> When I learned he was the book keeper for the apostles, I put him down as my favorite, until my Religion teacher said I shoudl choose another, becasue Judas was a fink, so I chose St. Thomas. Another interesting thought is that of the group that Jesus created (with Jesus being teh first man), Judas was number 13. Just an interetsing numerological tidbit.

Mary movie> I can't beleive I forgot to tape it. Most of you know how much I adore Mary. I hope it comes on again.

Jewel and Kaioto> Actually, there is nothing official about St. Mary Magdalene being the adultress Jesus saved form the stoners. It is just a popular belief thats he was the adultress. The Bible leaves it pretty open either way, so I'll stick to the theory that she was the adultress, since Miss Magdalene was a repentant sinner and she met Jesus before she kissed his feet asking for forgiveness.

SJ> I agree with you in free will. I believe God knows all that will happen and Jesus was merely saying what was to happen, but none of it was planned by God. I beleive Jesus chose to betray Jesus, Lucifer chose to defy God, and Mary chose to be the Mother of God and be a lifelong virgin. Truly, God wants his creations free, so they can chose Him instead of just being robots. Evil may exist do to free will, but so does goodness, so it's a fair trade.

Happy Birthday to Ed Asner, and a moment of silence for the death of the voice actor on South Park.

Class approaches. I'll talk to all of you later.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:54:29 AM
IP: 141.164.77.236

Hi, y'all. Checking back, if there be time to post before the server malfunctions again...

*Walks into the CR with a bottle of Dom Perignon and two glasses in hand, muttering something like "I have NO idea why I haven't done this earlier..." Warpmind places the glasses on a table, pours gently, and gives one glass to Jenna. "Here's to new homes, lass!"*

Toku Kaioto: Fire alarm prankster: Been there, done that, strung the bugger up in the nearest tree using cord... he was "tied up" for the rest of the night, and wasn't rescued before breakfast next morning... and the temperature lows were at three plus Celsius... that's what he deserves for pulling the fire alarm at the same time as X-Files started. It was even Season 1 Episode 2, just to make that clear; possibly the best episode that ever was! (That was four years ago now, by the way.) If you ever find out who the perpetrator is, let me and the Joyride Crew know, and maybe we can, y'know, exchange ideas?

Delphi: So now we know... should anyone here ever kiss someone with a foul taste on their mouth... we now are aware of the reason... ;)

Sevarius Jr.: Your uncomfortable situation: *Whinces, whines, is clearly under a lot of stress, and finally concedes to the reply brewing within.* Oh, well, as long as the guy is looking at adult humans ONLY, I guess the situation is bearable... it is when other kinds of participants are entered you REALLY have to be on the lookout... I'm tellin' ya, I do some work here at school, keeping the computer room open for students two evenings per week, and I am subsequently needed to - quite frequently - clean up the machines when Windows 95 (yet again) ceases to function... and MAN some of those cache folders have disturbing contents. I shall say no more than that in some of the cached pages... about half of the participants were human... and I believe a new cleanup is necessary soon, too...

Jewel: "Dream Hunters": Ack, alas, I fear I have not yet had the opportunity... the Norwegian translations are quite often rather... bad. There is no other word for it than Bad. Besides, I prefer Death to Dream, myself, anyway. Heck, it's the most charming version of Death I've ever seen... cute girl who walks around quoting Mary Poppins...

*Picks up one of the shot glasses Ironwolf has placed there, and raises it. "Now, I'm still only 20, but what the heck... in Norway, that's legal age for drinking ANYTHING with alcohol in it..." Warpmind pours the shot down, blinks a couple of times, sheds a few tears, then wheezes "Of course, I'm not used to drinking anyway..." Warpmind coughs loudly. "Nope, guess I prefer scotch..."*

MiST project: Now, I have already begun the first story in the project, which I have called "Demona's Payback" for quite obvious reasons... I won't reveal any of the action, but I guess I should state that I have chosen Avery's Bad Day to be MiSTed... unless Spike has a reasonable objection, that is. Mara, what do you say you're in line to write episode two? Obviously based on my fic, that is. :)

Well, the server is starting to grow unstable...
This is Warpmind de InzanE, sole survivor of... uh, no, that was another story... Well, I'm signing off anyway. By Act of God I might post later, though I doubt it...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:38:55 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Jessie: Furbys learning words was one of the *BIG* gimmicks around them when they were so popular as Christmas toys. That's why the CIA banned them, because for all intents and purposes they're *playback devices.*
And as for my Car-O-Scope, it was quite amusing. In one sentence they're telling me that me and my DeVille are a near perfect match ... in the next, they're tellin' me that *I'm too young and take too good care of my car to be a DeVille owner?!* HAH!! And then they give me a list of more compatible cars, four of which are GM products, two are four-bangers, and three I absolutely *hate* with a passion (Olds Cutlass, Chevy Camaro, and Chevy Monte Carlo ... the other two were the Pontiac Firebird and Dodge Daytona. :P).
I'm sorry ... but I ain't givin' up my big block Cadillac V8 for love or money!! :)

Mandolin: You ask me, ye don't need to lose any weight at all. I'm sure many of us who met you in Dallas are gonna agree, but I'm definitely going to stand behind that statement, and add on that the colaboma, if you ask me, gives ye a unique face, which if you put it on the overall package adds up to make you ... hmm, how do I put this that it won't get me roughed up? ... I know. It makes you ... one *very* beautiful woman. :) And I ain't just suckin' up here.

SJ: That's so tragic ... **sigh**

Mara: Hmm ... interesting shrine combo (Demona and Xelloss). I've got to check it out sometime ...

SJ again, re: neighbor: Yeah, that *would* be a little awkward ... reminds me of the one time that I passed by someone in a Net cafe surfing some hardcore in the middle of everyone ... fortunately enough I wasn't sitting next to him. :)

Probably going to be back later when there's more posts ...
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:12:46 AM
IP: zzz-209252248218.splitrock.net

Hey!

To all the birthday boys and girls that I missed happy birthday and may all of you have many more.

Beauty> It is scary how much I agree with green baron on the subject. Yet are not all women beautiful?! I think one of my heroes said it best. Baron Manchuaser (yea I misspelled his name) walks up to 3 women of various size looks and age and presents each of them with a rose. �you (addressing all 3 women) remind me of the goddess Aphrodite who it was my pleasure to meet� interrupted by one of his followers �how can all of them remind you of her? They all look different.� An irritated baron �nose here lips there all women have a piece of prefect beauty in them� of course I never thought Aphrodite was the prefect woman but I do think almost all women are beautiful. Hmmmm* evil smile * I always like to do stuff for my friends on my bday so *walking up to the table Ironwolf begins to pull red roses out from his trenchcoat and placing them in valises that appear on the table on the opposite side from the candles. * One for each of the ladies that visit the room. Know that the beauty of these flowers pale in comparison to each of you. Oops in the name of equality I got do something for the guys * Ironwolf glares at the table and shot glasses appear. Ironwolf pulls out an ice cold bottle of Sauza tequila from his coat pocket and pours himself a shot* to Charles. Enjoy guys especially you sj since it legal (yep I know now all the funs is gone out of drinking now that you can do it legally :o) )

Satan> Isn�t there a old Hebrew legend that satan took the job of evil voluntarily? That God asked him to do it and he did it out of love for God and well hatred for us? Sorry old legend I heard like the 3 wives of Adam. Not sure if i belive it and i can't remember all of it oh well

Try and post more later friends

ironwolf - [cag16@bellsouth.net]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:06:54 AM
IP: host-209-214-41-120.cha.bellsouth.net

shauntell- just saw the art work for the current ep- all I can say is----AWESOME!!!!!! I'm off to read it now!!
jenna
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:36:31 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Kaioto: <g> Have you had the fire alarm at 2 am during a snowstorm yet?

Sandman: Yay! Sandman fans! Have y'all read "Dream Hunters"?
jewel
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:34:00 AM
IP: 98a7034e.ipt.aol.com

Sj- don't you want to say to people like that "uhm, get a room, please?" At mikes school, where I sometimes go, half of the computers are on sites like that.
jenna
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:33:25 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

SJ: Gaack! Yeah, that's uncomfortable as all else. <g> When I was still attemding Bryn Mawr, I was at work one day, and the other Help Desk chick was perusing some lesbian porn sites....

jewel
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:27:30 AM
IP: 98a7034e.ipt.aol.com

I love to see all the conversation in this room- very nice.

Well, when my coworker had his b'day in the summer, Mike and I took him to see Phantom Menace. This week he repayed the favor and we got to see Pokemon for my birthday-his treat! Yea!! I loved it!! Mewtwo reminded me so much of Thailog!!!!

jenna
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:26:35 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Oh god....just browsing the CR here at school, and the guy sitting at the computer next to me is checking out some VERY hardcore pornography. If this isn't an uncomfortable moment, I don't know what is....
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 09:39:47 AM
IP: 164.106.134.5

Good Morning everyone, thanks for the complement SJ, us ladies accept it with delight!!!!

a friend send this interesting story and I aplaude the person who thought up the solution to this problem....

> According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their lipstick they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little lip prints.
>
> Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.
>
> She explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to clean one of the mirrors.
>
> He took out a long-handled squeegee, DIPPED IT INTO THE TOILET and then cleaned the mirror. Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.
>
> There are teachers and then there are Teachers...

Have a great day everyone, catch ya'll next time
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 08:49:40 AM
IP: twin6133.magiclink.com

Sevarius Jr.> <And BTW, I'd like to be the first to verbally take apart anyone who says anything negative about the
physical appearance of any of our dear CR women. To "toot our own horn", so to speak, we here in
the TGS CR have quite a few lovely ladies in our midst, right fellas? :) >
wow! *blushes* thanks! that's very kind of you to say!
Jannie
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 07:34:03 AM
IP: 168-171-196-137.academicplanet.com

Ack ... Double post ...

Pilate himself said that there was no reason to put Christ to death other than that he anger this unruly mob for some reason, and that it wasn't good enough reason. He has Christ scourged in an attempt to pacify the mob's blood-lust, to no avail. He basically knew better and whussed out ...
Toku Kaioto
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 06:38:36 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Hi all!!

Gargoyles DVD Pole:I Just put in my vote and Gargs is winning,YEESS!:).

Happy Birthday Ed Asner!*Raises a glass*

Mandolin:<>Your sick!?!,come ere'*simpathy hug*Hope you feel better soon.

SJ:<<The actress who supplied virtually all the female voices for the show, including the Mayor and Cartman's mother, died this past weekend. Apperently of suicide. Sheesh>>Awww crud!:(,I stopped watching the show a while back but still,that's bad news indeed.

Warpmind:<<Thanks, mate. Not that the knowledge matters munch, since I'll probably never get that game...>>No problem bud. :)

oh well I have to be up for work in the morning so Goodnight all!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 06:38:15 AM
IP: exip-t-008-p-209-213.tmns.net.au

Oh .... I ... am so ... Pissed OFF .... right now ... you guys ... seriously ... *Eric Cartman Voice*

OK, who's the wiseass who pulls the fire alarm at 6:30 in the morning? I'm getting up at 11 and someone sets the #$%^$%^ thing off ... Not to mention it is mid-November in New England. I forget how spoiled the First World makes me ...

T.J.> Actually, that isn't what judges in reality do much at all. They change sentenses and even dismiss charges as they see fit. There is only the requirement of a conviction by a jury, not an aquital.

Also, the appeal's process, in which a jury plays absolutely NO part in America. The Appelate and Supreme Court Judges just basically say, "This jury screwed up." And then make up an excuse like "They were improperly instructed in how to do X," and send it back to a new jury who is more likely to do what the judges want.

A judges first duty is not to the Jury, but to Law, if not to Justice. Pilate himself said tha
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 06:35:08 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Hi, everyone... I am still alive, as is Ahasverus.

T.J. Veil: Oooh, another Sandman fan? Oh, well, I kind of prefer Death myself. (HEY! Don't look at me like that!)

Xanathar: XCom: Apocalypse? Thanks, mate. Not that the knowledge matters munch, since I'll probably never get that game...

*Reads "Weeds" by Matt Watson, MiSTed my Mara Cordova.* Christ, that DoorMatt (Thanks for that one, Mara... nice pun) fella needs proofreading. I've never ever expected to see the line "Angela geld Brooklyn to the bed". As Xelloss said: "Please be a typo."

Zath: When you entered Sevarius mode there... you scare me. Much. Very much... And sorry you choked.

Beautiful People: I, too, agreed with Pissy's rant about the Beautiful People... but, let's face it, guys... who the heck are we to judge? After all, beaks, pointy ears, brow ridges, wings and arced feet are considered appealing traits by most of us... I hardly believe we're in a position to counsel society on values...

Mara Cordova: You still haven't told me which of my 'fics you plan to MiST yet... and now I know where you live... ;) But seriously, I'm really curious now. And the really fun thing is, I can't complain afterwards, either! I asked for it. Literally.

Mail: Received something very. very disturbing the other day... some woman wrote a two-page rant that "was directly the word of God", where she preached against abortion, Norway's participation in the peace process in the Middle East, homosexuality, and so on, and so on, etc... Such people scare the livin' daylights out of me... and the scariest part: If I should try to condemn her for those opinions, I'd be just as bad myself...

Jenna: You got the idea of gender-equality right. I believe BBC made an interesting TV series about that once (unfortunately, I cannot recall the name of the host), that, according to my (faaaaaaaar from perfect) memory was called something along the lines of "The Little Difference", which showed the little differences between men and wonen in general. I take as examples: Males are better at navigating through unknown terrain. Women are better at asking for directions. Males are better at efficient, short-term strategy, and are better at handling unexpected situations. Women are better long-term strategists, and have plans for any situation that may occur, and thus rarely come into unexpected situations. Now, these are general traits, not necessarily valid for everyone. I myself would rather not see males and females as 100% medically equal, instead of socially equal. Imagine; men giving birth? Ouch indeedio. Someone should have a word, and maybe a hacksaw with that teacher of yours... As for the religious comment, I basically have one basic rule about other people's opinions: Never Argue. That rule has, oddly enough, saved my bacon quite frequently...

*Raises glass.* Here's ta Ed Asner.

Christine: The Koontz book you referred to... I believe that title was Cold Fire... or was that the one about the psychic guy who travelled around and saved people? *Scratches head* I gotta start remembering those books by their original titles and not the translations... but as you said, it's a good book indeed.

Bronx: What young hatchlings eat? Um... food? Or in Broadway's case, he probably ate anything and everything... ;) And Robby: Hey, those eggs take ten years to hatch... if those attributes follow a pregnancy cycle like in humans, that's a LONG(!) wait...

Toku Kaioto: This is the last time I comment on your posts, until quality drops. I can only give so much praise before my fingers wear out... Nice one.

The Christ Debate: I guess this is quite off-subject, but I recently saw this amusing kid's drawing of Pontius the Pilot...

Dags: From Dusk till Dawn 3 is out? Oooh, gotta visit a friend... be back after the movie... ;)

**JOYRIDE**
Warpmind gives Green Baron a once-over.
"Well, you look like you can fight, but, quite frankly, it's not my decision to make. Follow me, the car belongs to Jack Hammer and Xanathar, and Xanathar was one of the trio who started this fun. I'll take you to them."
Warpmind flicks up a gnawed-off double-barreled shotgun and heads toward the commotion near the stage.
"OKAY, GUYS! I'VE GOT WHAT WE NEED NOW, SO WHAT DO YOU SAY WE SPLIT RIGHT NOW?"
**JOYRIDE END**

Well, gotta go. Didn't have anything more to say, that I can think of right now, anyway.

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 04:10:41 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi all:)

Just had a weird thougt. Maybe an up-coming topic? Don't know but I was thinking about human customs and gargoyle customs. Gargoyles have converted to human customs more and more. Well...what if humans dwelled in the gargoyle customs? If suddenly we were warriors, out of your whole family and other relations (which would be your clan and all friends would be welcomed so everybody could have a mate), who would become the leader? The second-in-command? Apart of the Eldest? In my family I think my uncle would be the leader, and second-in-command could be...gotta think a little more on that one. Anyway, that's my weird thought for the day.

Valentine> "Saving Private Ryan" was one of the best movies I've ever seen...but it was also the scariest. It's darkness and brutal, painful, and nauseating honesty contrasted nicely with the hope and the longing throughout most of the movie...and though I didn't have any nightmares doesn't mean that I've stopped thinking about it. This movie is still haunting me even when my sister cracks a joke, even one that she used when she recently heard it from one of my friends saying, "Ya friggin horny toad!" (She said this to the daddy kitty because he wouldn't let her alone) and my sister, Lindsay, tells me that Parker from Buffy is a "Friggin horny toad!" I smile of course, but this movie won't leave my mind. But I'm slowly heading back to real insanity....

Christine> Vampire, aye? *smiles* Care to share some of the customs your race has? From Station 8 Greg Weisman says that he would have eventually put vampires upon "Gargoyles" if the show didn't get canceled. Oh...V.C. Andrews? I used to love her books too, and then they got the guy (who wrote "The Advocate" which would later be turned into the movie), Andrew Neiderman, to replace her when she died in 1986 and since then most of her books have gone downhill. Finally got killed with the miniseries. Sad...sad...

Wilek> *laughing* Titanice 2?! I like the summary but when do we get to see it in the theatres? *rolls eyes* I like it but seriously I don't want to hear THAT song again! Otherwise I'd say, "I'll bring the popcorn if you bring the car" but if THAT song plays one more time I really will go insane! Seriously! Please say you agree (about the song)!

Green Baron: RE above for Saving Private Ryan> Well...I'm willing to give one more "hint" away. Well...Demona has a softspot for kids (minus humans)...that's all I'm letting out for the fanfic of how things led up to "Future Tense". Normally I don't tell these things about stories and all but I'm really excited about it :)

Bye all!
Anne
MN, USA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 04:02:47 AM
IP: 209-130-164-185.nas1.apv.gblx.net

*********WARNING!!! WORK RANT COMING UP!!!!!****************
ok, this weekend at work was pretty bad. thursday, Friday and saturday I was working 5pm-close. thursday wasnt that bad but friday and saturday were. we had so many freakin' stupid custumers this past weekend. ok, here's a good example of one that was on thursday:

*custumer hands me his videos that he's going to ckeck out*
Me: can I see your card?

custumer: I dont have my card, my last name is.....

me: can I see your licence?

custumer: Why? I come in here every week, you've see me enough times time know who I am

me: that doesnt matter. its a new policy, if you dont have your card we have to see your lincence. can I see your licence?

custumer: let me talk to the manager

*I get the manager up there and I explain to the manager the situation, the manager explains to him the exact same thing I told him and then the manager finally conviences him to let her see his lincence and pulls up his account, while I make him a new card and custumer leaves*

Manager says to me: if he's here every week then he should've known by now that he has to have either his card or Driver's licence. good job, you did exactly what you were supposed to do.

and on saturday, when I came in I noticed that the Anime section was in bad shape, so I started straightening it up. one of the cases that was infront of the coverbox was partly open and I lift it up and it was too light so I open the cax up and there was no movie inside. somebody stole the feakin' tape. I tell the manager and it gets her pissed also. she helps me search the rest of the Amine tapes and we find the Blockbuster stickers that would be on the tape on the shelf, behind some of the other Anime. this ticks us off some more. then the rest of the night goes on with the regular stupid custumers, like one spanish guy asking where our porno video's were. I had to tell the sick fuck that we dont carry them. its time to close and we are behind on our closing duties because one of the workers is 'supposely' sick (which I seriously doubted). and the store is in a wreck so the manager and I didnt clock out till 'bout 3am becausse we had to straighten the whole store. I get home and its about 4 am before I can get to sleep. then my stupid father wakes me up around 9am and makes me go to freakin' church. Bunch of savages in this town. about the only good thing about that weekend was getting to borrow the screener for From Dusk 'till Dawn 3: The Hangman's Daughter.
*********************END WORK RANT**********************

*breathes deeply* ok, I feel much better now......

NOWHERE TO RUN > kewl story, I enjoyed it a lot.

From Dusk 'till Dawn 3: The Hangman's Daughter > awesome movie. it takes place before From Dusk 'till Dawn 1. it shows how that main vampire lady in the first one came to be.

Dogma > That movie was incredibly funny. I loved it. Jason Lee, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck played great Villians. the Mooby, the Golden Caff scene with all the top people of the enterprise was funny as hell. I highly recomend this film

Pistoff > loved the Beauty Rant. that is so true.

Inner Demons > great job, Doug. I really enjoyed the story and I look forward to the second part of it.

well, I better be going to bed, but before I forget.....I found the script to Gargoyles The Movie: The Heroes Awaken.....its pretty kewl.....well, goodnight *fades into thin air*
Dags - [Dagastino_2000@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 03:53:45 AM
IP: host-209-214-112-30.bna.bellsouth.net

jenna - That essay you wrote sounds interesting, and also fairly true. I think one of the biggest problems I have with the 'equal rights' momement is how often what they want is not truly equal rights. One example of this is a story I heard three or four years ago. One of the larger cities in California (can't remember which offhand) was recieving complaints from womens groups because so few women who tried out to be firefighters were actually accepted. The counter-arguement was to point out that, in general, men are physically stronger than women. This is not a universal truth, but on average it is so. And strength is important in firefighting as they must lift the hoses, carry people, and other things, so strength is more important than physical grace, which is where women tend to be better. What ended up happening, was that they changed the standards for women to be accepted so it was easier for them to get the job, therefore more women became firefighters. The problem was that most of the current firefighters, including the women already employed, were angry about this. In fact, some of the women were the most upset because it lessened there achievement of passing the same standards that the males had to be accepted. I don't know how this ended up, but I think that women and men still have seperate standards to be accepted as firefighters there. Truly a victory for 'equal rights.'

Coyote - Guess I must have heard that one wrong. Maybe its just that most cartoons don't make references to 'family jewels' so I wasn't paying that much attention to the actual words.

Christine - Glad you had fun at the book fest. sounds pretty interesting. where was it at?

Toku - I would hazard to guess that the females would lactate (after a certain delay to allow for hatching) after laying eggs. In many mammals, (at least if I remember biology correctly) lactation comes about from hormones released during pregnancy. It seems reasonable to me that female gargoyles would release this chemical into their bodies and start lactating at about the times eggs should hatch. Another possibility is that it is part of the normal cycle of a female gargoyle from ovulation to lactiation over about ten years and back again and whether an egg is concieved has nothing to do with it.

Tim P - Actually, the quote originates from Nietzsche. The full quote is something to the effect of: "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thous gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." Not sure if that's the actual text, but it's close.

Mandi - hope you get well soon.

jewel - congratulations on your impending aunt-hood.

religious stuff - I'm really not sure what to believe about Judas, I mean I've heard lots of theories. One of the few I've heard that hasn't been mentioned here is that Judas betrayed Jesus thinking that Jesus would pull another miracle and avoid being captured or whatever by the Romans, thereby showing his power. He may even have thought Jesus intended this, as Jesus pretty much told Judas at the last supper that he knew about the betrayal.

As for Pilate, I don't really think he was either a good guy or a bad guy, but then you could really say that about anyone. He did his job, tried to convince the people to ask for Jesus's freedom, but they chose someone else to free. (It was the custom that every year at that time a prisoner was set free.) After that, he pretty much said, this is what you want, it's not my responsibility to bear. He was in much the same position as judges are today. For example, if a judge believes someone is innocent, but the jury returns a guilty verdict it is the place of the judge to uphold the verdict despite his personal beliefs. This is pretty much the same situation that Pilate was in. He did his job. Whether it was right or wrong, it was his job. It didn't matter what he felt, after all, what if he was wrong and Jesus had deserved to be killed? He didn't stop it because he couldn't stop it. It wasn't his place to.

Thought for the Day:
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, arguement... and the occasional bar fight."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 03:07:49 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

****NO RP TONIGHT!!!****

Hey everyone what's up? I'm beginning to think that Religion has become the word of the day today. It started out this morning with my World Religions test, then I went to see Stigmatta (good movie by the way), then we almost got into a religious discussion in my Administration of Justice class (I don't know how that one happened) and now everyone here is talking about Jesus and Judas. Every weird. Theme song to The Twilight Zone please.

Pistoff- I know what that's like. This one time I was stuck at a post from 8 a.m. till past 9 p.m. and I was supposed to be relieved a 4 p.m. The guy never showed up and I had to wait for another guard to take my place. I would have been very upset but it turned out that his daughter had broken her leg to the point where the bone was sticking out through the skin, but he still should have called, faxed, sent up smoke signals or something.

DVD Vote- Well I'm sure you will be happy to know that when I checked Gargoyles was ahead.

Enough for now.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 02:38:47 AM
IP: cache2.avtel.net

**RP HERE**

Tom runs into the infirmary room where Janice is and nearly faints with shock when he finds her alive, well, and sitting up. "It's okay," a male nurse says, catching the engineer before he tumbles. "She's fine!" "Yes," Janice affirms as the other Ravens come in. "I'm quite alright. Is something wrong, Tom?" "No, uh," Tom mumbles. "I just..." "He's very relieved," Kitainia politely interrupts, walking to her side. "Are you sure you're okay?" The former FBI agent nods. "I just need a little rest to get my full strength back and I'll be ready to help you again if you need it. Thank you for your concern." "No problem," Doug says, looking at Tom. "Uh, are you okay, Mr. Chemical Freak?" Tom nods. "Chemical Super Freak, not just freak. And yes, I'm fine." He looks at Janice and smiles. "Uh, can you guys leave us alone for a minute?" The Ravens frown and look at each other. "Uh, sure," says Jammer. "We'll go back to the waiting room and see if we can see SJ yet." He and all the others except for Doug and Kit leave. "Tom?" Kit asks her friend. "Are you going to..." "It's not any of your business what I'm going to say or do here," Tom snaps in reply. "Just please, leave me alone. You too," he tells the nurse. "But sir," he protests. "We had to splice this patient with alien DNA in order to replace the parts of her tissue the Phalanx damaged! I have to stay here to monitor her until we can be sure she's fully adapted to the change." "What?" Tom gasps. "You mutated Janice with alien DNA?" "They had to," Janice sighs heavily. "Don't worry, Tom. None of it will make me turn against you again." "But now you're not human, and..." "Yo," Doug waves a hand in front of the engineer's face. "Kit's not fully human either. Neither is Mist or Wilek or Jake and Teri, or lots of other people we've fought with. And you've been able to call them friends." Tom nods in understanding. "Yes but..." He sighs. "Just leave me alone, please guys? I gotta talk this out." Kit smiles. "Okay. See you in a minute." She takes Doug's arm and pulls him back to the waiting room. The nurse follows them but stops just outside the door, still close to his post.

Tom watches them go, then approaches Janice's bedside and takes her hand. "Uh, listen, Jan, I...I was really worried about you. In a way I've never worried about anyone before. I..." "I know what you're going to say," Janice interrupts him. "You do?" Tom asks in surprise. She nods. "Did you really think I got into the FBI and now MIB on good fortune alone? You should be ashamed of yourself, Tom Miller. I'm almost nine years older than you." He shakes his head. "I know, but I don't care. I just...I want us to be together. I...I love you." "I've known that from the first moment you looked at me. This is a tragedy for you, Tom. I cannot return your love, you know that. I have a duty now that will demand all I can give it. I can give nothing to you. And besides you're just too young." "No!" Tom gasps, suddenly breaking down in tears. Then he stands up and wipes them away. "Fine then," he tells Janice. "Be coldhearted. See if I care. I'll just go back to my friends. Hope you get well." He turns and storms out, Janice sighing as she watches him go. "I don't mean to hurt you," she laments. "This is for the best. You must see, surely you can understand." She frowns and turns over, whispering a prayer. Tom does not hear it, continuing to walk back to rejoin his companions with a now very heavy heart.

**END FIRST BIT OF RP**

Salutations! :) Happy birthdays to SJ and Jenna (and congrats to the latter on her new apartment), hope you're both enjoying being a year older. Also hope that everyone else had a good weekend, surprised that no one has said much about theirs so far. Usually we talk lots about them in here. Oh well, some of you probably had a boring one of little but relaxation like Doug and I did (we saw a couple of good movies and got some important work done, but other than that we didn't do much). As for the rest, <shrugs> I guess you don't want to talk. No problem with that, though I hope the principle doesn't hold true in the future. <grin> On to replies.

Thanks to all our friends here for supporting Doug in his recent bout with depression. The CR is IMO bonded together stronger now because of this. :) Hope that in the future we continue to be this level of good friends.

Jewel: I too hope that job interview turns out well for you. Provided, of course, you want teh job. :)

Poe Movie: <sighs> Darn those Hollywood idiots. How dare they ruin such a potentially great film by choosing such an unfit actor by the star. Hope that if Micheal Jackson does get involved this, he dies soon after and goes to Hell where he suffers torments worse than anything Poe wrote about. <evil grin>

Kyryn: Give my best wishes to Okami's grandmother. I'm glad she's recovered and hope she continues to remain in good health. Also looking forward to your TGS work that's coming up.

Welcome back Jackal!! <waves>

Evil Attraction: I agree, it is often strangely enjoyable to cheer for the bad guy, or even think of yourself as one. Maybe it's that by doing so you can step aside from the concerns of morality and caring that motivates us to do this, maybe it's some twisted facet of human nature, maybe it's just some insanity that's frightfully common among a lot of people in the world. :) I just know that most of my friends like acting evil at times (including Doug, myself, and as evidenced by last week's posts many people in here) and am glad that we usually don't let this side of ourselves come out anywhere but in private. L.

Christine: Congratulations on finally getting up the courage to come out, fellow emotional vampire. <bares her fangs and laughs> I've been an emotional vampire myself for a long time. Every person is to some degree, I guess. We too often need other people's opinions of ourselves to define who we are, and how others would react to us frequently determines our actions. Thus we are compelled to make them react to us in some way, and deprive a weird sense of pleasure and confidence from the emotions we arouse. It's sad by some implications, but unfortunately I've found it to be very true.

Recent New Shows: Saw the Avengers episode SJ mentioned. Like him, I hated it. :( Kang the Conqueror made a terribly uninteresting villain, I actually found myself hoping the Avengers would run into another alien named Kang instead. This Kang would be the one with a single eye, tentacles, and a sister named Kodos. :) If he was around, I might have been able to laugh.
Batman Beyond and Pokemon had much better new episodes on Saturday, even if the latter felt somewhat formulaic. I liked the development on Max and Spellbinder in BB. Simpsons was also good last night, though not as good as past episodes have been this season. Futu-rama I found too vulgar to be enjoyable, though it did have a few memorable moments (like the Wonka satire and Slurms McKenzie). As for X-Files, don't get me started. I liked the episode's development on Mulder and Scully, and thought it did a good job showing off CSM's character too. But it was also predictable in terms of plot, the revelations I had hoped for turned out to be dreams (I hate when that happens!), and even Mulder and Scully's kiss didn't feel good to see. It felt like something they should have done a long time ago, instead of the event their relationship had been building towards all this time. <sighs> I'm really starting to mourn this show, it's not as great to watch as it used to be. Hope that it picks up soon (and if not, I'm glad this season is the last).

Fleur: Welcome back, and sorry to hear you've been under so much stress lately. Hope it ends soon, and with good results. I look forward to your coming return. :)

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR NOWHERE TO RUN**

Good job, TGS Staff. I thought this ep was the best so far in the season (of course it is only the third so that's not saying much :). The mistake of Goliath calling Javin by name was a little surprising, but other than that no complaints. Liked the development on Goliath, Asrial, Demona, and Thersites (the latter's scenes were especially fun to read). Iago made a nice antagonist as well, I liked his development (I agree with TJ Veil that he is somewhat one-dimensional, but that doesn't stop the guy from being an enjoyable villain IMO). Javin was a good new character too, and has a lot of potential. I look forward to more being done with him. The plot of the ep was also easy to follow and covered well all the various conflicts currently going on in Dark Ages. All felt charged with evident emotion- especially when supplemented by the excellent illustrations (liked the cliffhanger one at the end best). Roland and Atalanta's return is very much welcomed, hope to see some more development on them in Part 2. Keep up the good work, all TGS Staff, I will continue to read, look at, and be entertained by it. :)

**END SPOILERS FOR NOWHERE TO RUN**

Wilek: Great idea for Titanic 2. I think the plot you have in mind could be even better than the first film's if someone actually puts it to script and makes the movie. Doubt anyone will, but one can dream. :)

Dream Car: Hmm, I honestly don't know what kind of car I would want. Doug's idea sounds pretty cool, but I think my version would have to have a few important differences- it would be dark blue instead of black, be able to outrun any other ground vehicle, and in addition to its other transformations be able to turn into a drilling machine (for underground travel) and a short-range spaceship (so I could visit the moon).

Christ: No comment on all the issues recently raised about him. Everything I could say has already been said by somebody else. :) I'll just add that I have enough faith in the man to accept him as my Savior, and that some very good insights have been made by us CR dwellers on the characters of Jesus, Pilate, Judas, John, Mary Magdalene, etc. I agree with a lot of your opinions about them and the Bible. As for Lucifer, well, he was a guy with problems and still is. :) After seeing the insights into his character people have made in here. I can't help but have a little sympathy for the devil. I know it's useless since he's destined to suffer terribly if you believe in the Bible literally, but still you can't help but kinda feel for and want to forgive the guy. And not just because it's good to feel bad. :)

Pistoff: Great beauty rant. I fully agree with all the comments in it (though I can't give you more praise than SJ and Mandi already have). Physical beauty is indeed a terrible mistress, especially because it is held up as an ideal by so many misguided people. :( Hope that they all are someday able to learn that it brings no true lasting rewards, and that one should seek a deeper, more true, way of being beautiful if one wants to be happy and truly shine. Intelligence, determination, friendship, caring, love, selflessness, understanding, tolerance, and freedom are of course all parts of that emotion, as well as appreciating the gifts you do have no matter what anyone says. :)

SJ: <And BTW, I'd like to be the first to verbally take apart anyone who says anything negative about the physical appearance of any of our dear CR women. To "toot our own horn", so to speak, we here in the TGS CR have quite a few lovely ladies in our midst, right fellas? :)> Thank you for the compliments. :) I will gladly accept your offer of protection by verbal harangue.

And on that note, I'll be going now. It's been a very tiring Monday, and I need my rest. Later!

**TIME FOR MORE RP, CONTINUING THE ASIL SAGA**

In the penthouse of a large disreputable hotel in downtown Los Angeles, Asil, Storm Eagle, and the Dirty Laundry Gang are beginning to make themselves feel at home. Kit's evil clone sets down a box of VC Andrews novels and arranges them on a bookshelf (I don't care for those books much myself, but considering her personality I think Asil would like them a lot) while her ditzy sidekick obsessively casts cleaning magics on all the drapes, sheets, and carpets. Meanwhile Al Detergent sits at a table writing on a notepad, Socko and Scrubber stand watch at windows, and Bleach Man checks the bathroom to make sure they have all the beauty products he uses in full stock. Nylon Man goes around collecting laundry from the rest of the DLG to wash, Lint Man helps him carry it, and Staina watches them as she mixes up new potions for her spray gun. Static Cling stands off to one side making much-needed spot repairs on the gang's various other weapons, which not have seen use in time. "Well, mistress," Detergent stops writing. "I've drawn up a contract for our relationship." Asil frowns and walks over, snatching the pad and looking at it. She smiles after reading the paragrphs Detergent wrote, thinking he and the others must be nuts to agree to do anything she tells them for such a low salary with no benefits or job security guarentees. Either tehy're very stupid or very desperate, she cackles to herself, putting the contract back down on the table.

"This will do," she tells Detergent, "but I will not affix my signature until you have proved yourselves, as we earlier agreed." "What?" Socko asks in surprise. "We just helped you escape from nearly the entire LAPD and got you a hideout. Isn't that enough?" Asil shakes her head. "It wasn't. I still need you to preform a task." "Just say the word, pretty lady," Bleach Man grins. "We live to obey." Detergent nods in agreement. "Whatever you want us to do, you have only to say the word. We'll do anything to get a job here and keep from going back to the streets." "Very well then," Asil smiles. "I want you to execute some celebrities for me. Six actors and actresses, as well as the director and producer of their show." "We can do that easily," Static chuckles. "Who do you want us to kill?" "The cast of Friends," Asil answers with a mocking laugh. "What?" Storm Eagle gasps in horror. "No! You can't do that! I love their show! Lisa Kudrow is my idol!" "Oh good grief!" Asil rolls her eyes. "Listen, you idiotic bleached blonde boobie, that show is a symbol of everything that is wrong with modern comedy television! It has cliched plots, unfunny jokes that make even me want to puke, terrible acting, characters who show little or no development, writing that could have been done better by a child, and worst of all the actors seem able to somehow attract a star power that lets them waste the public's time and money with a series of awful excuses for films! The show must go off the air, its director, producer, stars must die!" Storm Eagle looks grief-stricken but backs off, not wanting to argue with the obviously angered Asil. "Cheer up," Scrubber tells her. "A show as popular as Friends was will have reruns for years." "I know," she cries, "but still...you can't kill Matthew Perry. I love him!" "Fine," Asil sighs. "I'll go with our new possible employees to supervise them and make sure we bring Perry back here to be your slave, Storm Eagle. Will that satisfy you?" "Can I have Dave Schwimmer too?" "Certainly not! One of those annoying people will be enough to put up with, so one is all you get." Storm Eagle shrugs and wipes her tears. "I guess I'll have to deal." "Good," Asil nods, shaking her head as she turns back to Detergent. "Can you carry out this assignment? I want you to kill them quickly and horribly, then escape with your freedom and lives. Think you can handle that?" Detergent nods. "We won't know until we try, but sure. How soon do we leave?"

**END THIS SEGMENT OF RP**
Kitainia
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 02:18:38 AM
IP: pool-209-138-63-240.dlls.grid.net

SJ, Jenna, and Ed Asner> Happy birthday!!! :D

Zath> <<the stuff that falls under the category of "I should delete it, but I can't stand deleting anything")>> Oi...do I know the feeling. I'm such a pack rat that I can't delete anything either. Which may explain why my 12 gigabyte hard drive is about half full after only a year... Hypothetical incest> That's one way of cloning oneself...

Pistoff> <applauds> Masterful rant!

Nightwalker> $<<Before then can someone summarize what has happened in the RP since the cyber smurf war. I'd really like to rejoin.>> Um...I'm not sure... :} $

Jewel> <<some of us out there had the breast fairy go a *wee* bit overboard>> LOL!! I can just see her flitting about carrying a tanker truck full of silicone. :P

Shogun Raptor> <<*she rolls up her sleeves and begins singing* Jigglypuff, jiggly puff jigglypuff jiggly*>> ROTFL!!! :D

Jessie> <<Does anyone know a good place to get obscure CD's online? I'm looking for a "Heavenly Creatures" soundtrack. Amazon.com has it out of stock...>> I tried www.borders.com but they don't have it, which is odd because they have darn near everything else (I FINALLY found Excelsis: A Dark Noel)...

SJ> <<The actress who supplied virtually all the female voices for the show, including the Mayor and Cartman's mother, died this past weekend. Apperently of suicide. Sheesh.>> Ack. I'm not into that show, but losing half the cast is bad news for *any* show...
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 02:13:57 AM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Dangit, forgot to tag on the RP...ah well, tomorrow I guess. Been a long day.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:17:50 AM
IP: 207-172-60-141.s141.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

***BEGIN RP***

***END RP****

Ah, thanks to all of you for the birthday wishes. :) I must admitt, today was *not* one big hectic party, but you know what? It didn't need to be. I had a nice, quiet day, spent with my family, who for once actually got together without killing each other...that in itself was a blessing. Plus I got some cool gifts (such as Hunter: The Reckoning--saved me the thirty bucks I had spent up!). No strip clubs like I was promised....okay, none YET. Knowing my brother, he's got something devious planned down the road ;)
Good to know I share a B-Day with ol' Ed Asner though. I'm turning 21, he's turning.....I have no idea, but I'd hate to see the candles on his cake. Fire hazard, I tell ya. I still love the guy, though!

Whoo hoo!!! Theological debates! Time to cash in on all that Sunday school material!

Judas: I have a somewhat complicated opinion on this. It stems from my intense belief in free will. There is a school of thought in Christianity, and I've seen examples of it in here, of something called (I believe the term is) predetermination. That's the belief that God has *everything* planned, and you can't really escape it. He preordains if you're gonna go to hell or not, or if you're gonna be saved. I don't really believe that view. Personally, I don't really believe that God has *everything* scripted. I perceive the future as an unknown quantity of possibilities, but no certainties, so everyone has an equal chance for salvation. But that's besides the point.
I believe that there was free will in the matter of the Betrayer. I don't necessarily believe that Judas was *fated* to play that part, although he is considered the individual most likely to do so. You must remember, the Apostles weren't always holy rollers. Paul used to be known as Saul, the Mad Dog of Tarsis. He killed Christians for sport. I am leaning more to the view that perhaps anyone of the disciples could have betrayed Christ. I don't ever recall Jesus specifically saying "Judas will sell me out", like he told Peter (it was Peter, no?) that he specifically would deny him 3 times. It was left up to free will. Who was weak enough to betray Christ? Judas. Perhaps Christ knew this was going to happen, perhaps he chose Judas on purpose for this task, perhaps Judas, as it was hypothesized, thought that even if he betrayed Christ it was no big thing because Jesus could handle it (in that latter regard, Judas would be guilty of grossly misinterpreting Jesus' true motives on earth). I don't know. I'm leaning to think the matter was not fated or set in stone. Then again, I'm not the authority here.
As for if he was damned....that too I have doubts about. I think Judas' true motives, which are not really known, would factor into it. I do think he cared for Christ in at least some regard, enough so that when they executed Jesus Judas was so wracked with guilt he committed suicide. I do not think he was some sort of demonic infidel who had planned the betrayal all along, as I was sometimes taught in church. I think that Judas was a weak man who gave into his desires and betrayed Christ, not because he was a supremely evil man, but just because he was flawed. I am not really sure God would damn him for that. The suicide, on the other hand, is another matter. I have long been taught that the destruction of one's own life ranks up there as one of the unforgiveable sins. I'd like to know other's beliefs on that.

As for Pilate, I will give him points for seeing the error in the judgement against Jesus, but like others have said, simply "washing" his hands of guilt is no real solution. He had the chance to do what was right, and he didn't. Poo on him.

Angels looking Demonic: Like Todd mentioned, the Bible has numerous accounts of humans being, literally, mortally afraid of angels. Almost every account I can think of where angels were present in mortal company, they had to say "Fear not, we mean you no harm." I have heard arguments that this is because angels reflect the face of God, and to show even the briefest glimpse at the might of God is enough to inspire terror (or in some accounts, death!) in a human. Regardless, angels, if you believe in them, are most definitely *not* human. I plan to use them in upcoming fics, but if they do exist in reality, they are completely alien to us.
For good reference to the secret wars of angels and demons, try Frank Peretti's "This Present Darkness" and "Piercing the Darkness".

Bad news, South Park fans. The actress who supplied virtually all the female voices for the show, including the Mayor and Cartman's mother, died this past weekend. Apperently of suicide. Sheesh.

Pistoff: EXCELLENT Beauty rant! Exactly as I feel. Beauty means nothing. Even the best plastic surgeon can only do so much, and eventually we ALL fall apart anyway (I'll be mean and single out Goldie Hawn--what the hell happened to her? Waaaaay to many facelifts if you ask me). I'll take the token male sex fantasy woman--Pamela Anderson. Personally, this woman repulses me. Why? Besides the fact that at this point she's probably about 98 percent plastic, she's only slightly smarter than a jar of mayonnaise. How dumb is she? Her loving husband Tommy Lee beat the hell out of her, while she was holding her infant son, no less, and she STILL took him back (he reminds me of Jer--no wait, I won't go there...) She's a whore. She's a goddamn Barbie doll, literally. But men drool over her. No brain, no personality, just breasts and a **CENSORED**. Right now I'm like, in love with actress Natalie Portman. You know why? Well...physical attraction aside, she's smart--way smarter than I could ever be. You have to look beyond beauty.
The last serious girlfriend I had was what people label as "plain". No giant Double D breasts, no big, sensous curves. I thought she was beautiful, but she was the kind of person the "normal" guys ignored. Their loss, cause she was one of the deepest, most beautiful people (beautiful on the *inside*) I've ever met. They'd rather date the head cheerleader or the prom queen....in other words, they want the cute "piece of ass" that somehow manages to be conceited, shallow, and stupid all at the same time.
I suppose this is why I do like the types of characters who are beautiful-but-evil and ugly-but-good. (Jericho is the exception!) I find the irony and the contrast satisfying. I love it in Gargoyles when handesome Xanatos is the corrupte villain, while the "monstrous" Goliath is the hero. Gargoyles handles this issue quite well.
Speaking of insidious ideals of "beauty", I see Lara Flynn Boyle is on the Tonight SHow right now. I've seen skeletons with more meat on their bones...
And BTW, I'd like to be the first to verbally take apart anyone who says anything negative about the physical appearance of any of our dear CR women. To "toot our own horn", so to speak, we here in the TGS CR have quite a few lovely ladies in our midst, right fellas? :)

Coyote: Chocolate! Gotta choose chocolate! **Insane grin appears on SJ's face** Flavor Chocolate, I choose you! Ah, must....control....homicidal Pokemon urges....

Green Baron: Oohh....a free birthday spanking from one of the girls, huh? Well, considering I have past "history" with Bernadette, I think I'll take you up on that offer...

***Bernadette enters the CR, a paddle in her hand and a sly, seductive smile on her face. SJ gives her a big, goofy grin.
At that moment, Kari appears. She's not happy. She glares at Bernadette, and then marches up and shoves her aside on her way to SJ. "Move it, toots."
"Oh, um, Kari! Hi! Um....I was just...uh...going to get a spanking. You know, for my birthday?"
"Oh, I'll give you a spanking alright," Kari said, and pulled back a fist...
"OUCH!! Not in the face! NOT IN THE FACE!!! ;0p*****

SOROW: Here's a great quote you can take out of context--Thanks for the red bottom! ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:16:23 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Jewel> It is a wonderful diocotomy, isn't it? Especially since the only people who didn't run out on Jesus were the two Mary's. Their love for Jesus was of such a sincere, personal, and unconditional nature, that they stood fast while Peter's hero worship and Judas's "practical friendship" failed to keep them at His side.

As for two Mary's becoming one, I'm a Catholic, which means I pretty much learned what the Jesuits taught and whatever else I picked up. Most of the history of Christ's time is debated around the historical circles to no-one's satisfaction, and much to the ignoring of the story aspect of the tale of Christ.

Also, during the reign of the Roman Empire, prostitutes were among some of the most influencial and wealthy independant women in the world. In fact, unless you were a widow (in middle-eastern and Roman societies of the day) you're wealth and posessions were owned by your father, and then taken into your husband's household. If you divorce in Rome, you could take it with you ... right back to your father's house again ...

Catullus, the Roman poet, was one of the most interesting subjects I've ever translated from Latin. His poems to or concerning a rather wealthy and high-class prostitute named "Lesbia" from the city of Rome are very impressive, and give some interesting insights into the difference between what the Romans deemed "whores" and "women of independant means".

It was very hard to be a wealthy and independant woman in the days of Christ.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:13:32 AM
IP: 141.133.150.161

I'm going to fail my physics test tomorrow and I'm going to LIKE IT!!!! Physics is not my life! Damn you, Mr. Hurst! Muhahahahah...

Green Baron> Oh.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO SJ! Don't drink too much liquor now! We still want to be able to understand you later. And due to my well earned official CR Spanker position, heeerrreee weeeee ggggooooo!!!!!! *slap* *slap* *slap* Heeeheeeheeeheeehee...

I'm still reading the new ep...but doesn't that Javin guy look a little like Brooklyn? No! NO! IT'S TOO SEXY! (Antonio Banderas)
SOROW
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:03:31 AM
IP: dll2a010-0555.splitrock.net

*walks in, in her gargoyle form, looking slightly haggard as she drags her SD pets in. SD Demmie-chan is hanging off of one of her pant legs, glomping happily on an obscenely large piece of cola-flavored Bubblicious. Sd Angie-chan is on the other leg, chop-sticks in her sable hair,composing haiku in honor of her mate Broadway's rather large tummy. SD Xelloss-kun is drinking green tea and begging to visit the Village's Republic resturant.. haven fallen for their unique ordering system and delisious barbeque pork platter.*

Wow... great food for thought on the Judas issue... i don't know where to begin in response other to say I've really been thinkin bout it and alot of what you all say, though a lil varied, makes sense...

Mary Magdalene:: there is a GREAT book out called "The Moon under her feet" that, although it's fiction, was wonderfuly written and well referenced. Anyone read it? It was from Mary Magdalene's (or Mari Anath, in that book) point of view and covered Goddess worship in Judeaism... Mari Almah (Jesus' mother, or Mary Virgin, if you trnaslate Almah) was actually a priestess, and Jesus's birth came from a sacred ritual, and Judas was Jesus's twin...

Although it was fiction, it was really well thought out and wonderfully done in a goddess-y sort of way, for instance Salome's dance of the seven veils wasnt actually a strip, but a sort of play inacting Inanna's descent to the netherworld... mixing in bits of the inanna/ashera/isis cult with judeaism... if you can find the book, read it.

Well... anyway... SD Angie-chan wants to share her haiku with you... take it away Angie

*SD Angei-chan glowers* DON'T CALL ME THAT! Ok... here goes

"Round and Turquiose, soft.
Like a pillow in the night.
How I love it's warmth."

*walks off, still dragging SD Angie-chan and SD Demmie-chan, SD Xelloss-kun fast on their heels, singing his image song from SlayersTRY*

" Come on, let's go! Everything will be alright. Are you ok? No doubt we'll be alright. There will be lots of delicious food there. Check...since you have unlimited hopes, let's persevere at this. Because I know you're a real gourmet, right?"

*SD Demmie-chan snaps, after popping an enormous bubble* is food all you think about!?!
Mara Cordova - [<=== Demona and Xelloss Shrine (under construction, but still!))]
Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:00:12 AM
IP: spider-ti063.proxy.aol.com

I hate being sick. I can't wait until I can actually get my voice back completely. The only good thing about this little throat cold I have is that I don't have to convince my profs I'm ill... all I have to do is open my mouth. ;)

**Mandi's creativity demons wheel out a megaphone with a mike.** Ah, there it is. **She turns it on.**

HAPPY 21ST BIRTHDAY, SJ!!!

**turning the megaphone to a reasonable level** Where was I?

Zath> By "Veruca Syndrome" I was referring to last week's Buffy - that is, the presence of a female character who gets in the way of an established relationship and all the viewers want her to die or disappear as a result. Which may occur on the Nov. 26th ep of N&A. But Rene Echevarria apparently wrote this one, and since he's done decent stuff before, I'm crossing my fingers. (I actually got an anonymous tip since someone affiliated with CBS saw my site. Go fig.)

Pistoff> Read your beautiful people rant. **starts applauding** Thank you, thank you, you are so right. I have a colaboma - that's a keyhole pupil - in my left eye, which to top that off is a bit of a lazy eye. Would you believe that in middle school, some jackass thought I was retarded just by looking at me? I sometimes get these odd looks from people, although not as much as I used to. As for the obsession with weight, I can't believe some people I know. A girl in my hall decided she was going to live on diet pills since she thought she was fat, and three hours of trying to pound reason into her head didn't work. She's a SIZE 9, for crying out loud! *sigh* Personally, I'm generally happy with myself... I could stand to lose a little weight, but I'm not going to go nuts over it. Besides, you've got to keep this little tidbit in mind: Marilyn Monroe was a size 14. :)

MJ as Edgar Allan Poe> I shared this little tidbit with four friends at a lit magazine meeting this evening, and they all screamed in unison.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, November 15, 1999 11:35:07 PM
IP: 144.175.18.15

Kaioto: But Mary Magdelene *wasn't* a prostitute. She was simply a wealthy, independant woman--and many think that she was actually Jesus's *wife* (and which state sthe wedding that Jesus turned the water into wine was his own--after all, a party running out of wine is hardly the business of a *guest*). It was another Mary who was a prostitute, and it was a pope in the 1300s who declared them to be one person, even though he knew they weren't--because that way, it was a nice little dichotomy between the two Marys--the virgin and the whore.

jewel
Monday, November 15, 1999 11:34:26 PM
IP: abda29e2.ipt.aol.com

Happy Birthday!!! to jenna and SJ...sorry I'm a lil late.

Coyote the Bando > Actually, I don't think Furbies actually learn any language. I _think_ there is just some preprogrammed vocabulary that is all they will ever say. Hmm...if you _can_ teach them stuff though, I think I could actually have a lil fun with my gift after all...Imagine the possiblities. ;) Hey, so are you and your car compatible?

Does anyone know a good place to get obscure CD's online? I'm looking for a "Heavenly Creatures" soundtrack. Amazon.com has it out of stock...

Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Monday, November 15, 1999 11:23:54 PM
IP: ctrts1-1.mrs.umn.edu

QUICK!!! EVERYONE GO VOTE FOR THE GAREGOYLES DVD NOW!!! TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY! CONTACT ALL THE COMMMENT ROOMS! WE CAN'T PASS THIS UP!

*GROAN* I feel soooo sore. I've been running 3 miles per day on Mondays, Wenesdays, and Fridays, an hour of Tae Bo and then 1 1/2 miles of running on Tuesdays and Thuresdays. My diet consist mostly of 2 slices of pizza for lunch and a sandwich for supper, and some ice cream or candy every couple days so I don't go nuts. At least I'm getting sone results. Man, the things I do to get in the USMC.

Titanic sequal: IF they should ever decide to a Titanic sequal (as crazy as it sounds) I hope they develop Bill Paxtons treasure hunting Lovell character more. He said himself said that Titanic has many stories to tell. Or he could explore some other mystery of the ocean.

"When you look down into the Abyss, The Abyss looks into you."-Forgotten, From THE ABYSS
Tim P.
Monday, November 15, 1999 10:33:16 PM
IP: bn706-01.wsc.edu

bizarre creativity demon> one of Oberon's chidren, let's say maeve returns to NY to attempt to steal alex, using Oberon's techniques, such as putting Manhattan to sleep:

Maeve: SLEEP! *nothing happens*
I said SLEEP D@MMIT! *still nothing*
so you wanna play it that way huh? okay the gloves are off
*she rolls up her sleeves and begins singing* Jigglypuff, jiggly puff jigglypuff jiggly*
shogun raptor
Monday, November 15, 1999 10:09:33 PM
IP: user-38ldemh.dialup.mindspring.com

David G- good comments and esp. good comments regarding Thailog

jenna
Monday, November 15, 1999 09:56:31 PM
IP: 206.185.162.10

Hi folks, I gotta chime in on this conversation about Judas. I've heard two interesting theories on why he betrayed Jesus. One was that he, in his role as keeper of the purse, had been misusing funds, and he thought he was going to get caught. I don't really like that one, and I've never read any really good evidence for it. The one I really like is that he thought Jesus could get away. Jesus had driven out demons, healed the lame, cured the blind, and raised the dead. What could the Sanhedren (sp?) possibly do to the son of God? What was to stop Judas from making a quick 30 shekels by "betraying" his master to them?

There's a lot of good basis for this just in the gospel accounts. None of the twelve apostles understood what Jesus meant about his death. If they had, they never would have been so afraid after the crusifixion. Moreover, they had all seen Jesus do amazing things, including escaping from a bloodthirsty mob by just walking past them all. Finally, this explains, in some measuer, the extent of Judas' self destructive guilt. If he thought Jesus would get away, then the shock of "really" having killed him would have been much worse. If Judas had just been cold enough to sell out his master, then his later guilt seems overblown.

Now for something really strange, a Gargoyles comment. Someone, last week I think, remarked on how odd it was that Demona was so quick to trust Thailog when she never trusted anybody else. I can see a pretty good explination of why she'd behave that way. She's been alone for 1000 years and change. She finally finds someone who (a) looks like Goliath, (b) doesn't hold her past against her, and (c) says all the right things. In her utter dispair and lonliness, it wouldn't be hard to blind herself to a great many things.

OK, I gotta stop procrastinating now. I need to finish chapter 1 on my novel. The bad guys are busy razing a temple dedicated to St. Simon-Magus, and I need to figure out how the good guys get away.
Once I get that done, the rest will be pretty easy, but first chapters are hard.

See ya'll later. Hope you liked that plug I snuck in at the end. :)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, November 15, 1999 09:26:55 PM
IP: pppa44-fortworth14-4r235.saturn.bbn.com

Mara: I think the Key to understanding Judas's betrayal stands upon his own pride and his nature. Judas is often described as a man who "know the price of everything and the value of nothing." He was a practical man, more suited to the revolutionary practices of Jesus Barrabas (whom the mobs demanded be released instead of Jesus Christ) or the conformist politics of the established Israelites. This is why the high priests and political figures singled him out and decided to use him.

Judas was not chosen like the other Disciples, to be a fisher of men. He had conservative Jewish values of the time, exhibited by his severe problems with Jesus ministering to and protecting a prostitute (Mary Magdalene) because of how bad it would make Him and his following look. Like Simon of the Zealots, Judas saw Christ's message in terms more of a socio-political movement contemporary of the time, rather than a socio-spiritual revolution. Judas also considered himself Jesus's right hand and, perhaps, the silent promoter/organizer of the movement.

When Judas is confronted with Jesus's messages and actions going beyond the boundaries of a socio-political environments, he fails to grasp or believe. He becomes frightened and disillusioned with the possibilities of success of the movement as Christ risks imprisonment and death as well as alienates the scribes, priests, and gentry of the Jewish community. Ultimately, it is Judas who betrays Christ out of fear of the Romans wiping out all the good they have done in the movements as well as inflicting more suffering. The priests and scribes certainly played this fear up in Judas's mind, but Judas did it because it was the kind of man Judas was.

The problem is � Christ knew exactly what kind of man Judas was when he picked him as a Disciple. He ~ knew ~ Judas was going to do it. He picked him for that reason, partially. The realization that Christ chose him, not to be an Apostle like the others, but to be his betrayer, was part of what drove Judas suicidal.

Pilate is another story *sighs*. He was a Roman, and he did what Romans were expected to do. If he hadn't, another Roman would've. I believe he sincerely did not want to kill Christ, or be responsible for it, hence, washing his hands. He knew what he was ~ supposed ~ to do as an appointed magistrate, calm the people by killing Jesus. He knew what he was ~ supposed ~ to do as a true servant of Rome, kill those inciting the rioters and break the spirit of the rabble. That would constitute having his centurions grab and gut the leader of the high priests and gentry. However, likely that would've gotten him killed or undermined by bribes to other officials. What he was ~ supposed ~ to do as a human being was to spare an innocent life.

Pilate chose to be a just another petty corrupt official, and to cover his own political but at the expense of his soul. He chose to covet his power, rather than use it for the good he saw before him. He did not choose to commit a murder, but he chose to "Wash his hands" of his responsibility in the matter, the responsibility that comes with power.

The Devil. Lucifer decided God had made an imperfect universe. He decided that the very nature of man was imperfect and unacceptable. Lucifer figured he was perfect and could create a perfect world without the "flaws" God had made, like humans. Satan went out of his way to prove that humans were imperfect, constantly seducing them from their loyalty to God with promises of power, comfort, or vice. Every soul he drew away was just another justification of his argument that God's grand Creation was flawed. Hence, the antagonism and the selling of souls.

The Devil is a symbol of putting one's selfishness ahead of Good or God, the sin of pride and of selfishness. The Devil sometimes comes into play when we assume we can play God. Sometimes the Devil comes into play when we slide back into animalistic selfishness. The Devil isn't a human, he's an angel. He's the personification of a particular way of thinking, not an actual person.

Anyway, Liz-chan demands I post the link to get more votes for Gargoyles on DVD. So go and vote already. :)

Happy birthday to everyone having a Day of Life Gift this month.

(cyber-cookie to anyone who knows what D&D setting this name for a birthday came from.)

Robby> Does that mean that females are able to lactate the entire time until they reach an age when they couldn't have a hatchling to feed? Or do only those who lay an egg lactate on a certain biological time when they "know" their eggs should hatch?

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, November 15, 1999 09:25:01 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Bronx- What do really young hatchlings eat? Well, female gargoyles have certain attributes in the chest area that I assume would serve the same function as they do in the rest of the animal kingdom...
Robby
Monday, November 15, 1999 09:04:56 PM
IP: spider-wg061.proxy.aol.com

Wilek> they already did something like that in Ghossbusters 2, the titanic arrives and the dockmaster (Cheech Marin) says "better late than never" still the idea has potential and merit perhaps with a bit more "army of darkness flavor" say perhaps a scene where James Cameron pitches the idea for a titanic sequel and falls victim to those phantom propellers, meanwhile it turns out Dicaprio's character was really some sort of all-powerful demon/old god and the blue diamond from the first film was something akin to the eye of Odin, only infinitely more powerful and the only ones that can stop him are an immortal demon slayer and his student (Bruce campbell and Sarah Michelle Gellar in blatant Ash and Buffy parodies)

y'know what was creepy and Ironic? that mary was portrayed by the same actress who did Shmi Skywalker, and in a way it's horribly appropriate, there was a lot of criticism about the coincidences between Jesus and Anakin, both are religious Icons, the jedi council was compared to the council of Rabbis, and later on, Vader's followers systematically exterminated the Jedi, as did professed followers of Christianity
shogun raptor
Monday, November 15, 1999 09:00:24 PM
IP: user-38ldemh.dialup.mindspring.com

Todd- well said- I may use your comment as a disclaimer :P
jenna
Monday, November 15, 1999 08:59:56 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-86-114.hstntx.swbell.net

Hi everyone! just popping in really quickly, reading this week's ep. :)

What the heck, I'll even throw in a possible topic, what do you think really young hatchlings eat? I'll put mine in a little later

bye!
Bronx - [Bronx Wyvern4@aol.com]
Monday, November 15, 1999 08:42:44 PM
IP: spider-to013.proxy.aol.com

Pistoff > wasn't meant to be hostile, just meant to be firm. I couldn't read your rant-on-beauty page; maybe send me a copy? I'm interested in reading it.

Zath > what's this pic and when do I get to see it? ; ) Also, liked the comments on genetics. We'd still have to allow for natural mutations, though.

**Might weird out some folks -- incest stuff**
Or how's this for a twisted gene pool? In one of Dean Koont'z books, he set forth a family in which the brother, a heavy LSD user, impregnated his sister. The resultant child was a fully-functioning hermaphrodite, who impregnated herself (collecting sperm and then inserting it, not physically able to ... gee, I guess 'bend around like a goose-necked lamp,' being the only thing to come to mind, will have to do).
**end all that, but it's a good book!**

Wilek > Titanic 2 ... I like that ... and the whole thing could have been triggered when she dropped the necklace into the drink ... it could have harbored some arcane powers ... and of course the whole thing made me remember Ghostbusters 2, when the Titanic finally arrived in port ; )

Book Fest > Oh, that was fun! I didn't sell many books, but I had a good time. The panel was called "Elves are People Too," on the reasons and uses for non-human character races in fantasy fiction. I was one of four, the total new kid, didn't know any of the others. Two people showed me their elf-art (one of whom also pored over Christi's pics, which I take with me to these events in a binder). I met a lot of gamers, too, so maybe I can make some connections and get a game going! The weirdest question asked was from a middle-aged woman who wanted to know, and she was _serious_, if any of us had ever really personally witnessed or experienced magic/fairies/etc. Now, admittedly, when I was a teen I went through the yearning quest-for-real-magic that many still do, but I had to disappoint her and tell her that aside from some unsettling Ouija board experiences, my life's been pretty dull in that regard.

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, November 15, 1999 08:42:41 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

ANGELS' APPEARANCE - As it happens, those who believe that angels look terrifying and awe-inspiring have support from the Bible for this attitude. As C. S. Lewis commented once, the biblical angels have to open practically every speech to the humans that they are sent to meet with the words "Fear not!" (even the angel who speaks to the shepherds in the Nativity story), implying that the humans are terrified of them. Then there's the description of the four angels waiting on God at the beginning of the Book of Ezekiel, full of eyes and with four heads, one humanlike, one of a lion, one of a bull, and one of an eagle. Not to mention that the Cherubim, according to the best biblical research, were conceived of looking like great winged bulls with human heads, rather than little Cupid-like creatures.

ABOUT JUDAS ISCARIOT - According to what I've read about him, a major root of his betrayal seems to have been this: Judas was expecting Jesus to take up a sword and drive the Romans out of Judea, the way a lot of people believed that the Messiah was going to behave. When it was clear to him that Jesus wasn't interested in changing Judea's political situation at all, he either felt disgusted and decided to betray Jesus in anger over having wasted his time following the man, or else thought that he could force Jesus into taking action against Rome by siccing the authorities on him. (Admittedly, it makes one wonder what took Judas so long in giving up any hope that Jesus was going to be a political deliverer; all that talk about "turning the other cheek" and "loving your enemies" is certainly not the sort of thing that the leader of an armed rebellion is likely to say, without falling into self-contradiction).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 15, 1999 07:52:18 PM
IP: 216.87.46.139.dialup-stl.primary.net

Happy birthday Jenna and SJ!

Shameless Plug Alert!

To everyone who cares- I have posted part one of a new story called Inner Demons at GFW. If you want to, go read it and enjoy! :)

Real post later in the week.
Doug
Monday, November 15, 1999 07:51:06 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-111.dlls.grid.net

Triple post! WHoa.
OK, Miss Stupid forgot to add this: I *finally* moved my main webpage to a new site. If anyone cares to see the site (and let me know what I forgot to port over, besides the Comics pages...), click below.
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Monday, November 15, 1999 07:44:47 PM
IP: 98ad8d88.ipt.aol.com

Double post! DOuble post!

Pistoff: Loved the rant, man. I can empathize with you totally on the little old ladies clutching their bags when they see you. Yeah, so I'm a 5'9' Black chick, I'm not gonna steal your purse. Ditto, Jannie, I hear ya about the family--the worst is getting, "But you would look so pretty if only you lost weight/did your hair/etc etc...why are you in such a bad mood?" I'm not one of the beautiful people, I have no desire to be one of them (although I think if I hear the word "cute" one more time I'll be perfectly justified in projectile vomiting.)
I don't get the obsession with beauty. Or worse, while all these women spend so much money trying to lose weight/stop wrinkles/augment breasts, etc. Thre are so many other things to speand money on--I know I'm perfectly content being a size 14/15 (or larger, depended on whether or not the idiot people making dressed stop to realize that no, not every woman is a C-cup...some of us out there had the breast fairy go a *wee* bit overboard). I still can't get over Calvin Klein not making jeans over a size 13--because, and I quote, "Women shouldn't let themselves get that big." It drives me bonkers when my sister in law (Oh, and guess who is gonna be an aunt! In about 7 months, they'll be another Faulkner around! Think on that, and tremble!) think hs'e getting fat, because she's all of 147 pounds--and for my money, I think she's gorgeous.
jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Monday, November 15, 1999 07:41:56 PM
IP: 98ad8d88.ipt.aol.com

Mara: I went to a rather odd church that celebrated different apostles each month. And in December, guess who? Judas Iscariot. I was taught that without him, no crucifixion, and that he was chosen by God for this--and as such, he's not burning in hell, because *someone* had to do it. I was taught that Judas wasn't evil, because he believed he was doing the right thing--and it was remorse more than anything else that led him to suicide. God gave him a hard burden to bear.

Satan: I read that Sandman as well. There's strand of Islam that believes that the reason Lucifer/Satan/Sammael fell was because he refused to bow to man, because God had said "Worship none above me." And some Satanist beleive that Satan was actually the good guy, and that God was the one who was doing evil, and Satan was the wronged party. Personally, I kinda think God did set him up for it, and that Lucifer isn't as evil as he's been portrayed.

SJ and Jenna: Happy b-day, y'all! SJ, to quote something my big brother said to me when I turned 21, "Have fun. But not as much fun as I had, because I don't remember any of it."

jewel - [Jewel.Faulkner@alumnae.brynmawr.edu]
Monday, November 15, 1999 07:07:14 PM
IP: spider-te081.proxy.aol.com

A few replies here ...

Jannie: Ehhh ... uhhhmmm .... errrhhh ... geez, poor kid, I haven't got the slightest idea what on God's green earth he could've meant by *that.* (Grading papers wasn't my cup of tea, anyway, that's why I wanted to be a music teacher. ;)

Wilek, re: cussing Furby: No hacking necessary. The main reason why the CIA banned Furbys from their offices was because they have a writeable voice chip installed in them ... they can record and play back dialogue, albeit in a Furby voice. If you use a tissue of profanity at an awake Furby, chances are it'll learn the lingo, so to speak.

Warpmind: Your MSTie idea, forcing characters to MST *good* fics.

The quote: TJ, the quote as I gave it was accurate (it was typed as I was listening to the show), she *did* say "family jewels." This has been confirmed by an independent resource (Starsinger, who passes along her best).

Pissy: No rush. And ya might want the information on the stories ... they actually turned out halfway decent, and the only one I've got remaining of them is the novel-length collection I wrote, even though it doesn't help with any backstory.

SJ: Happy B-day! WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!
**an exhausted moving crew rolls in another patented Execution^TM cake, tossing a remote to SJ** Pick yer flavor. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 15, 1999 06:18:15 PM
IP: zzz-209252248095.splitrock.net

Aaron- (raises glass) Aye, laddie!!
jenna
Monday, November 15, 1999 06:17:27 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Real post tomorrow, just letting y'all know, if no one's already mentioned it, that today is Ed Asner's birthday. So raise a glass and toast Hudson and Lou Grant.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, November 15, 1999 06:15:54 PM
IP: ppp-199.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Taleweaver- hmm. didn't see that movie- didn't want to see any tv movie nbc did after Leprechans was such a bust.
jenna
Monday, November 15, 1999 05:45:01 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Taleweaver- hmm. I disagree with you on this. He did lie. Man was supposed to be immortal, that is until he ate the fruit- it didn't kill him right then, but it brought death into the world.

At least that's what I learned in sunday school...
jenna
Monday, November 15, 1999 05:26:47 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

I have a quick question. Does anyone remember that old Thanksgiving tradition of not eating turkey the month of Nov? I was telling my roommate about this and he looked at me like I lost my mind. It's one of those defunct traditions like wearing white after Labor Day, but I'm sure that it's there.

Last Week in TV> High points, Buffy, Beast Machines and That 70's Show. Low points, Leperachauns and Avengers.

Judas> since it's been a while since I've read the Bible. (Sometimes I think the last time was before Gutenberg) I won't wade too deep in this discussion. But I don't condemn Judas. I see him in the same vein as Pancho Villa in Don Quixote. He was sort of the manager of the group. While the apostles were content to be groupees, Judas was doing the practical things like where they'd spend the night, what they'd eat. He also saw the forces plotting against them and saw the danger for what it was. I believe he thought he was doing the right thing, but good intentions seldom create good results.

Was this discussion started by the NBC movie about Mary? I saw the first hour, but then went back to writing. I prefer stories that explore and this one didn't cover much ground to me. Now, the wise men, that seems like an interesting. Who were these guys? What did they do afterwards? But that's a tale for another time.

Jenna> I don't believe the serpent lied. Like I said it's been a while, but God told Adam and Eve if they ate the fruit they would die. That ate it and were still standing. In my contrarywise way of thinking, I believe the serpent got punished not for lying, but for spreading the truth around. Along the lines of kill the messenger. Well, I've caused enough chaos here. Toddles.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, November 15, 1999 05:18:53 PM
IP: 134.71.32.54

Oh yeah , saw the Silver Falcoln ep last night , it kicked serious rear, just like every other ep. of gargoyles. My mom actually watched a portion of it with me. She was impressed that elisa was dark-skinned. She liked that part of it. come to think of it , elisa kinda looks like my mom. woah. Why don't I look like a male version of her. must'vve got my dad's looks is what my aunt would say.

Ed, Wilek- thanx guys , I hope that comp comes sooner too. But i'm kinda wooried that I wouldn't be ably to chat with Angela. Oh , and if any of you would like to e-mail her [she just graduated from nursing school and is a ceritied nursin ast.] her addy is Cryztal-eyez@webtv.net. go ahead and congradulate her. and tell her in detail how to use the CR , she tried and couldn't figure it out. webtv doesn't have comment rooms.

bye again . longer post later
nightwalker
Monday, November 15, 1999 04:59:02 PM
IP: proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net

Hey all , just thought I'd pop in real quick, I'll make my real post later. Before then can someone summarize what has happened in the RP since the cyber smurf war. I'd really like to rejoin.

pistoff-I just read your rant on beautiful people. And this is coming from someone who has played the odd man out for about 6 years running but......Hell yeah. I totally agree.

I'll be back later , bye now everyone.
night walker - [goliath01@hotmail.com]
hobart, IN, usa
Monday, November 15, 1999 04:44:45 PM
IP: proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net

Pistoff- I liked your rant on Beautiful People
jenna
Monday, November 15, 1999 02:36:04 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

RP WARNING!!!
**Joyride
Attila the Hun apporaches Cthuhullu and talks to Warpmind.
"I heard you were going to trave through time soon, and Attila the Cat suggested I take his place, plus I figured you'd like a bad boy like the original Attila the Hun in your joyriding. You may ahve read about my credentials. What do you say?"**

Well, Mara, Honey :) I believe Judas still chose to betray Jesus even after the fact, just as St. Peter chose to deny Christ three times on that same night. I do find the betrayal was pivotal to the crucifixion and resurrection, and essentially the establishment of the new Church. Sadly, Judas doesn't get a break for it. My main theory as to the fate Judas reveived (it would be better that this man was never born) was more because of Judas reacted afetr Betraying Jesus. He took his own life and so had the sins of betrayal and self-murder on his soul. Perhaps, if Judas had decided to repent and return as st. peter and all the others did, his fate would be a better one, like that of St. Peter.

As for Pilate, I don't see him as particularly bad for washing his hands of the affair. To him, it was a routine execution and he took no pleasure of it. His decision to wash his hands of the affair was to say that he had no personal feelings about the execution and he was jsut enforcing the people's will. Now, Pilate was bad for other reasons, which can be learned of in Roman History. He was a corrupt magistrate and an appointee of Livius Sejanus, a very corrupt Praefect, but those are tales for another time.

If not Judas, I do not know who would be the betrayer. I personally find it a moot point, but an interesting question to ask. I guess it is quite possible there would be no Christianity. Of course, if not for Mary, Christianity would definitely never exist.

Beauty> Beauty is in teh eye of teh beholder and is not just skin deep. I personally find long dark hair to be very attractive in a woman. Others may prefer short blonde hair. These are minor preferences to me. When I meet someone and get to know their attitude and personality, their appearance changes. I have met soem who are not overly attractive, but after talking with them and getting to know them, the beauty of their personality begins to affect my perception of them, so they become more attractive. There are soem who consider me to be physically attractive, in fact downright cute, but that won't matter if my persoanlity is unreflective of those attributes. I see many couples where one partner is not very attractive, and it is because appearance is not overly important. In his youth Ted Kennedy was a handsome man, but probably still was a jerk back then and his reckless ways have taken a toll on his appearance now.

Janine> In some cases, children go out fo these stages. As a whole, children are exceptionally cruel and unthinking and much of that is weathered by theiur maturity and a proper learning. Perhaps this is a sign that age does not equal maturity :)

Zath> I figured Jerry was somewhat reedemable, though I'm glad he isn't running for the Senate in Ohio.

TJ Veil> <<In one story (form The Sandman) Lucifer realizes that perhaps his fall was planned by God from the beginning.>>
I'd have to disagree with this theory. I don't beleive God plans any such thing, He just knwos about it in advance. To some extent, I'm not too upset with the existence of evil To me, the reaosn evil exists is so that good folks can combat it. Without good and evil, life would be pretty boring.

Pistoff> I liked your rant. I saw soemthing similar on a tape for Religion class all about appearance and how much people fret over it.

Sevarius Jr> ::Two Csg scouts grab SJ by the arms:: Happy Birthday SJ. I'm just getting you read for SOROW's spankings. You can also pick one of my scouts to give you 21 spankings if you'd like :)

Jodi> Welcome to the carziness

Gunjack> <<Honestly, you have NO idea...:D>> Does she have a cousin who lives near New Orleans :)

AoTN> I haven't seen you in a long time.

SOROW> Well, Carrollton is named after Most Rev. John Carroll, first Catholic Bishop in the United States of America, and part of a very prominent Maryland family, including another Carroll who was the only Catholic to sign the Declaration of Independence.

Janine (again)> I think this kid was just trying to be silly.

Fleur> ::tackle hug:: Welcome back.

Anne> Your fics intrigue me. I heard Saving Private Ryan is very good, and it had a great effect on Tom Hanks who is now spokesman for the WWII Veterna's Memorial, which I donated $35.00 to :)

ED> I imagine you may be more knowledgable about this, being English, but I was always under the impression Hitler could have been stopped back when he was militarizing the Rhineland. I also must admit I am a major fan of Churchill (in fact, he, Disraeli, and Thatcher are my favorite Prime Ministers), and I am gla dhe became Prime Minsiter, becuase without him, we'd all be speaking German.

<<hahah... England have just scored against the Scots --- woo-hoo!! >>
I'll pretend I didn't hear that laddie :p

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, November 15, 1999 01:28:42 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Hello all here is some info that I can pass on to you. There is a DVD company that is holding a survey about Animation that should be turned into DVDs Gargoyles is on that list and not doing too well.

Go here and vote:
http://www.wildcoast.org/cgi-bin/petition.pl

draconis - [gathering2k@nycmail.comK]
Orlando, Florida
Monday, November 15, 1999 01:06:30 PM
IP: 179-13.kua.net

Happy birthday SJ! Happy (belated) birthday Jenna!
Anne
MN, USA
Monday, November 15, 1999 12:42:06 PM
IP: 204-246-241-45.nas2.apv.gblx.net

mara- I hope you don't mind if I say a little tidbit about the question you put up here: I may not give you a full answer as my time right now is limited, but let me take a jab.

First off- Creation (according to the text) was supposed to be Perfect. Lucifer, Adam, Eve, Creation, their decendents were NEVER supposed to fall. Why did they? Because of Pride. Lucifer essentially wanted to be God, wanted to be worshiped. So that got him kicked out.

Second, the tree that Adam and Eve ate off of was not the fruit of knowledge between good and evil. Look in the text and see who said that- the serpent- he lied. The fruit was essentially the food of mortality. That is why man was damned to die after he ate it.

As for Judas- I don't know about him.( I dont' know if he's damned or not? Or if he was fated to make his choice or not)But Remember that the religious authoirites pretty much had it out to get Jesus from the beginning. Judas was just weak, and he provided them with a way to do it. If he hadn't they would have found another way to get rid of him,(I think) he was a threat to their power.

Was Christ destined to die- in a word, yes. Why, well if you take the bible as to true, there are tons of prohseys in the old testment that referr to Chirst. As for him dying, well, it had to be one perfect life for one perfect life. Adam was perfect, faulted and brought death. Christ was perfect, did not faulter, sacraficed himself and brought life.

This may not be everyone's interepation, but this is what I believe to be true. I know everyone is not religious perse in this room, so I apologize if this made anyone uncomfortable.
jenna yet again
Monday, November 15, 1999 12:39:25 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

HAPPY 21ST SJ!!!!!!!!!!

*******Drives away in the new car, that looks a lot like Christine********
jenna again
Monday, November 15, 1999 12:20:59 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Thanks again to all of you for wishing me a happy hatching day !!! :) 8D

SJ- ***hmmm** I think I'll take the box that didn't move!! :P

Jannie- good comments- I agree with you 100 percent!

Tony "Marlos" Teakles- Where's the story?? I got all excited and then I couldn't find it anywhere!!! :(

Pist off- man does that sound like a major sucky day at work- hugz

About women having it harder and men getting off scott free- uhm, what about the play Cerno De Verrack?(okay so my spelling is terrible) Or Phantom of the Opera? Men have had it hard as well, granted women are judged more on appearances than men are, but so are men as well, though not to the same extreme.

And so what if men have done this in the past, does that mean women should do it now? Let's make up for past injustices by doing the same that has been done to us? Where will that end? Is the road to equality only by embracing the very things that have historially proven to be so destructive?

In one class I once wrote an essay saying essentually this. It acknowledged that men and women are different, and the road to equailty is not in making both genders identical. Or by women becoming more like men. Rather it will only be done when Both genders are seen as valid, not one over the other. The freedom of choice in what one choses to persue must be there.

My teacher didn't like it- I got a "B" Shrugs- oh well. I still believe it.

Gunjack Valentine- "why would Angels look demonic"? Well, there are several reasons- first off you are looking at it thourough man's stardards of beauty. NOt God's. It's not that I know what God thinks, but I do believe He is not is shallow as humans tend to be. After all, if He does exist, he created all races, both genders, all animals- there is a wide variety of beauty in the natral world. He must appreciate it otherwise he would have made us all identical.(hope this doesn't get too religious for you)

Second- well there is a biblical basis for my stance. I really try to do my research, but esp. when I write about anything that concerns the bible. I have four Gargoyles in my stories that will apprear, that are essentially the "four creatures" that John wrote about in Revelations.

jenna
Monday, November 15, 1999 12:17:46 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Warpie: so, you're just greedy, are you? *Raises a brow speculatively.* So, where you stayin'? ;) *Looks aroud defensively.* Hey, a guy's gotta seize any chance he's got, right?

*LOL!* In the strangest yuppie/minority/gay community of Brooklyn, NY (which is how you end up with crackpots such as I) . I think one of my favorite portrail of Satan is by Neil Gaiman.

TJ:: "In one story (form The Sandman) Lucifer realizes that perhaps his fall was planned by God from the beginning."
Kinky...very kinky. Which makes me wonder about Judas Iscariot. He has an extremely bad rap for betraying Jesus, but if he hadn't then Christ wouldn't have been crucified under Pilate (who also has a bad rep for teh hand washing bit), died and ressurected. (which i believe in, thanks)
Do you think if he hadn't betrayed Jesus, would there be Christianity at all? Or would someone else have done it?

Hmm... Green Baron.. any help?
Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Park SLope, Brooklyn
Monday, November 15, 1999 12:17:19 PM
IP: spider-ti073.proxy.aol.com

Pistoff> You rant page on "beauty" really hits the nail on the head! Christine's comment about shoe is on the other foot now is also very true. We are a society that unless you are picture perfect, you are discriminated against. Not only do you have to look pretty - you have to have a perfect Barbie or Ken doll figure to match. It's only been within the last few years that the clothing manufacturers have recognized that the majority of the women are size 14 and up. Now a "full figured woman" has more than mu-mu's to choose from. (However, I still find it in great distaste for a very large person to wear biker shorts! *shudders*)
An average looking overweight person has a daily struggle being accepted as an equal to the pretty & petite (or well-built in the case of males). I don't judge by appearances either, but unfortunately we are in the minority. This type of behavior starts at such a young age too. It sickens me to watch kindergartners ostracize someone because they are overweight, not as attractive, or doesn't wear the newest line of designer clothes. But, this also happens within families! My own personal experiences have been my paternal grandmother sitting in a recliner next to me in the den as my sister walked down the stairs. She begins to fawn and carry on about how beautiful Karen is, how she is the most beautiful grandchild that she has, etc. (Karen favors that side of the family) I began my usual comedy act & start coughing real loud to alert & remind grandmother of my presence. She looks at me and says, "oh but Jan...you have such a nice personality". *blinks* Even my dad used to tell me, "you ain't gonna' get by on your looks, so you'd better sharpen your social skills"
Families... don't you just love 'em? *rolls eyes*
Anyway, I've seen several pictures of you IRL and I would be proud to be seen with you in public! :)
You and everyone else in here are absolutely correct when you talk of the prejudices against those that are not "attractive" - at least not attractive by the magazine's standards. I've seen a LOT of beautiful people in here and have never seen a RL picture of them!
Jannie
Monday, November 15, 1999 08:07:01 AM
IP: 196-108.c.esc4.net

Doh! **smacks a grinning typo imp with a large text book** "almost the exact problem" was supposed to be "almost the exact opposite problem"
**Zath wanders away muttering "When will I learn to proofread?" over and over.**
Zath
Monday, November 15, 1999 07:54:22 AM
IP: lvl-pc340.usc.edu

Okay, here's that big post I promised earlier. Two major tests, two big writing assignments, and other stuff kept me from catching up sooner, but in a way I'm glad because it meant I didn't have to worry about resisting temptation to reply to the various posts that escalated into the flame war. **Zath looks around and notices what appear to be the bodies of several lurkers.** Uh-oh, looks like we lost a couple to smoke-inhalation�

After all my complaining last week about it never raining here, we finally got some precipitation last Sunday. True, it was only a light drizzle for a few hours, but every little bit is appreciated. Unfortunately, I discovered Los Angeles is like a dog and stinks when it gets wet. : P

On a more interesting note, Thursday afternoon/night (it's difficult to tell which these days now that it starts getting dark around 4:30pm) some of my friends come into my room, wake me up (I take naps whenever I can get them) and say "Let's go see Jerry Springer." I assumed they meant they were going to go watch his show on tv somewhere, but I didn't have anything better to do so I grabbed my wallet and keys and went with them. It turns out he was giving a talk on campus, so after a long wait in line (mostly because the school paper had claimed it started half an hour earlier than it really did) we got to see Jerry discuss his show, the media in general, and free speech issues. During this talk he admitted he had no talent and the stupidest show on television. When someone asked him if he would let his kid watch his show, he said something like "Yes, but she has better taste." He was surprisingly articulate and good at manipulating a crowd. I think the most interesting thing he mentioned was in the beginning he didn't want to do a talk show, but his boss told him to do it and he was under contract so he didn't have a choice. The talk didn't turn me into a Springer fan or anything, but it was a good waste of an evening.

Jannie> <<from the outside so that no one can enter any of the mulitude of doors that we have in our building - except the front door>> Okay, I guess I had it backwards. : )

Green Baron> <<your property rights are being violated by them exploring your computer and all>> Well, at the time it was the family computer, so there wasn't anything I could do to keep her from using it. It was just her reading my stories without asking that bugged me.

Toku Kaioto> <<Doesn't anyone respect people's privacy? That is just so ... so ... untrustworthy ...>> What really annoyed me was the fact that most of them (not quite all, but most) I would have been willing to show her without any hesitation if she had just asked first. The interesting part is that I had almost the exact problem with my poetry. I didn't want her to see my poems because rather than hating or not understanding it like some of my fiction, she'd choose the *stupidest* poems (the stuff that falls under the category of "I should delete it, but I can't stand deleting anything") I wrote and insist on printing it out, posting it on the fridge, and showing it to relatives/coworkers... **cringe**

Taleweaver> <<Just once, I'd like to see the human race do something truly original.>> With our luck, it would only be discovering a truly original way to be unpleasant to each other. : (

jenna> Happy Birthday! <<I have been told by people in rl that because of the difficulties interracially mixed kids in society have, that there shouldn't be any. --what? Were doing our kids a favor by not having them? What kind of logic is that?>> It's severely flawed logic. Ignore them. I've been teased about a lot of stuff over the years, but never because my mother isn't from the same ethnic group as my father. Sure, I've been made fun of because I didn't look like everyone else, but no more or less than the kids who were all asian, all black, all hispanic, etc. <<It's going to be right across from a police station, it's clean, and in a nice location- and the rent will be cheaper believe it or not-- well lose some footage, but we can manage. And well have a bigger balcony, nice kept up facilities, and alot closer to work>> That sounds great, congratulations! : )

Wilek> <<<<Let you who is without sin cast the first stone.>> Somehow, every time I read this, I can't help envisioning this huge rock falling out of the sky.>> *LOL*

SJ> Happy Birthday! <<It's about the mysterious last few days of Poe's life (Poe, as you may or may not know, was found inexplicably in a coma one day and died a few days later).>> I remember reading somewhere a little while ago one of the current theories is that he died of rabies. <<The reeeeeeally scary thing? I've heard Jackson wants to play Poe himself.>> **shudder** If he got the part, what would it be, the fourth or the fifth sign of the apocalypse? <<better horror writers such as Clive Barker and H.P. Lovecraft.>> I'm not so sure about old H.P. ... I'm currently working my way through Dream Quest For The Unknown Kaddath and while he's good at setting the tone, at times his writing reminds me of stuff my classmates and I did in junior high. Also, I don't know why, but whenever it mentions the Zoogs, I think they look a lot like Lexington, and other than the part about not having a face, the night gaunts sound a lot like Brooklyn. Perhaps our Timedancer made a brief appearance in a certain writer's bedroom late one night... <<He says that he is>> But that may have been part of the dream, so we can't even be certain of that... <<But if some annoying little brat pops up claiming he "sees dead people", I'm outta there>> That reminds me of something from that show I saw at Knotts for Halloween...

2 people each with a giant eyeball for a head walk out on stage and say in ghostly voices "we see dead people."
Then, 2 people each with a giant ear for a head walk out on stage and say in ghostly voices "we hear dead people."
Then, someone with a giant nose for a head walks out on stage and says in a ghostly voice "I smell dead people."
Finally, someone with a giant mouth for a head walks out on stage and says in a valley-girl voice, "I've eaten dead people!" Everyone turns to look at her and she goes, "What? It was at a sorority party..."

Pistoff> <> *groan* Bad joke! Bad, bad joke, no chocolate cake for you tonight! : ) <<to prevent genetic defects caused by inbreeding>> Inbreeding doesn't cause genetic defects. It just "distills" ones that are already present because there's no influx of fresh genes to keep the current ones from getting too "concentrated". Suppose Demona had a rare recessive gene for something strange like being born without a head, but she also had the "normal" dominant form of the gene (each parent contributed one), so she appears normal. Now assume she passed the gene for no head on to Jericho. He would also appear normal because he got a dominant version of the gene from Goliath. However, if Demona and Jericho had a child, it would be possible for it to be borm without a head because there would be a roughly 1 in 4 chance that *both* Demona and Jericho would give the "bad gene" to their offspring meaning it wouldn't get a dominant version of the gene from either parent. The act of inbreeding itself wouldn't have caused the headless hatchling, just the genes that happened to take part in the inbreeding. <<Next one I'd like to see (from Vacuum Riders) is Boiler, or (from the main G2K series) Otto Fellatio. A pic of him and Purgatory together would be fun.... *just brainstorming a little* I'll send a description or two, when I have time...>> Sounds interesting : ) This weekend was really slow (with the exception of a brief trip to the tattoo/piercing parlor to watch my friends get holes poked in their faces), so I just pulled a random picture out of my unfinished-pic-pile and spent my free time finishing it. It ended up bring one from Christine's universe (don't worry, it's not Jericho) so now it just needs the final touch-ups in Photopaint before it's ready to be sent off. Sooner or later I really need to get back to working on the Pistoffgoyle pic : ) <<Do you have anything that can bite him and show him what it feels like?>> It worked for Kitty's real life counterpart. She would always jump and chew on people's heads until my brother picked her up and put her head in his mouth. Now she prefers to attack hands and feet : ) <<It's like they're thinking, "Hey, Fred's working, let's stiff him!">> Do you at least get paid extra for the overtime?

** Zath enters the Anton Sevarius mode of thinking... **
***** WARNING, HYPOTHETICAL INCEST, PROBABLY OFFENSIVE TO MANY *****
If Jericho's son had survived, genetically, it would be 1/2 Demona and 1/2 Jericho, who was himself genetically 1/2 Demona and 1/2 Goliath, so the child would really be 3/4 Demona and 1/4 Goliath (assuming the gamete of Jericho's that did the deed ended up with exactly a 50/50 mix of DNA that originally came from Demona and Goliath and no mutations, but even if it didn't, with enough cycles of seduction, the end result would be the same). When the son was old enough, Demona could seduce him and have another son, who would genetically be 7/8 Demona and 1/8 Goliath. Do it again and the next child would be 15/16 Demona and 1/16 Goliath. If she did this enough times, eventually, she'd get a child almost genetically identical to herself, with the exception of Goliath's Y chromosome (or the gargoyle equivalent), which would always be needed for the child to be a son. I wonder how many times Demona could stand to do it before the son ended up looking so much like herself she wouldn't want to try anymore...
***** END TALK OF INCEST *****
** Zath blinks and returns to normal. **
Wow, that was stranger than usual...

Bronx> <> Oooo... What kind? (or do I not want to know because it's all the way on the other side of the country and would just make me jealous?)

Fire Storm> <<Thats where we get the term "Blueblood." In some royal families, they do not give the gene pool a chance to breathe.>> *LOL*

Mandolin> << I'm sensing possible Veruca Syndrome, and I don't like it.>> Do you mean there might be a spoiled brat, or do you mean you're going to get sick of waiting for the episode and start marching around singing "I want it now!"? ; )

Gunjack> <<she burst out laughing when the guy got his head ripped off>> That reminds me of my reaction to Macbeth's death in the Polanski version.

Warpmind> <<huge hollow spot inside>> **Zath starts choking on that-which-must-not-be-spoken-out-loud and Thailog Horror is forced to administer the Heimlich maneuver.**

Mara> <<although my computer died, through a mix of science, sorcery and kicking thedamn thing, it was resurrected.>> *LOL*

Fleur> Welcome back!

delphi> <<the wheel's spinning, but the hamster's dead.>> That's an almost perfect description of USC's dial-up server.

I think that's all for the moment. Now I need to get back to work. **sigh** It's just another sleepless Sunday night/Monday morning in the computer lab�

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, November 15, 1999 07:25:25 AM
IP: lvl-pc340.usc.edu

Hi all!!

Fleur:Welcome back!,I've been wondering were you got to,glad to hear that you got a job(*chuckles*you'll be able to join in on the stupid customer stories now;) ),Ack!! another car accident,my simpathies:(

Warpmind/Gunjack:Hey X-COM fans:),I just loved the X-COM games,months if not years of gamplay in them,oh and Warpmind the third game was known as X-COM Apocalypse.

Pistoff:Loved the Beautiful People rant,particularly the part about being thought of as a criminal based solely on your looks(having been followed all over department stores by security guards,I'd know all about this>:()

Jenna/SJ:Happy Birthday!!

New TGS story:I loved it,I can't wait for next week,the Pictures were great as well.

Wilek re Titanic 2:*LOL* at first when I saw the title I thought you had been possessed by a particularly sadistic demon,but as I read further,I thought it would actually be quite good>;)

Goodnight all!!
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, November 15, 1999 06:35:37 AM
IP: exip-t-007-p-208-187.tmns.net.au

Aaron - I saw that thing (top gaming women) in Inquest. Personally I think I would have to go with Lanfear as my choice, because she has something that sets her apart. The others in their own universes are irresistable sex symbols, or something of the sort (mostly). Lanfear is best known in WoT as the chick that the hero turned down. Not something you'd see about Lara Croft. And besides, gotta love the leather in that pic.

Christine - I'm not really going to say much on Jerico other than that I'm glad to see he'll be dieing. I don't mean that I didn't like the character or that he didn't make a great villain, it's just that too many authors, both in fanfic and in regular work, are afraid to kill off a character when the story demands (or at least suggests it). This seems to be even more the case with characters who are well recieved, or at least popular. Kudos to you.

character death (cont.) - As far as killing characters goes, it's something that is great to see if handled properly. And once gone, the character should stay gone. The two things I find most annoying about people killing off characters are these: That the character doesn't stay dead or is somehow able to comunicate with the others (thereby rendering the death pointless) and when a character is predestined to die. I just can't stand it when we're told from the start that someone is going to die and then are expected to feel something emotional from the actual act. But I think the other is worse. I really hate it when a character is killed, and then is brought back later because the author decides that maybe the character shouldn't have died or that there was something else they wanted to do with the character. I mean, in my series (more on the next story later) *if you haven't read 'Aftermath' spoilers will follow* I killed some of the main characters. I have no intention of bringing them back, and the only idea I had for such I decided was pointless and wouldn't satisfy any need in the greater story. I have a pretty good idea where my series will go and I don't need to bring them back. In fact, if I do, I authorize anyone here who feels like it to slap me silly. Nothing ruins a good death scene like the realization that the character isn't dead.

my fic - As for my progress, I think I have the scene I was working on fixed (finally) but I want to let it sit for a day or two and look at it again. But it's coming soon, hopefully by the end of the week.

Doug - I can understand liking writing villains. I think they can be some of the best characters to write because they represent our dark sides, and sometimes you just need to let that out. I loved writing Castaway in my story, but part of it was from the satisfaction I got from knowing that I was doing something with a well known character that I had never seen done before. I hadn't even planned on doing it at the start, but it was one of those things that I thought just seemed necessary. I don't want to give too much away, but I think it will be a very suprising scene, simply because of how the character is portrayed.

Mandi - assembly? *shuder* I feel for you.

Warpmind - <<Thus true Satanism, in fact, goes all the way back to God>> That is an interesting point. I think one of my favorite portrail of Satan is by Neil Gaiman. In one story (form The Sandman) Lucifer realizes that perhaps his fall was planned by God from the beginning.

Coyote - In that quote, I don't believe that the word Elisa says is 'family.' I can't recall what it is, but I think it might be 'grandfather's' I'm pretty sure that ain't it.

jenna - happy birthday, and congrats on your new place.

***** Spoilers for Nowhere to Run *****

This story was better than we've been seeing the last several weeks. We get to see several existing plot threads going forward as well as the main action of the piece. The relationships between the different gargoyle couples and potential couples were good. Also, it's good to see past villains coming back. I hope Atlanta and Roland stick around after part two.

And now, for what everyone expects from my posts, the problems I had with the story. I think that possibly the biggest problem I had with this story was that it tried to resolve or advance too many plot lines. It's not that I don't like seeing continuing threads, but pretty much every single existing loose end is coming up in this story. It sometimes felt like this story was trying to hard to include everything, so it sometimes lost its momentum. One of the things I'm afraid this story will do is try to tie up all the loose threads, just to introduce more. The only time a series should tie up everything is at its end, otherwise it seems like starting over.

The characterization of Coldsteel (Iago) also seemed poorly done to me, much as the Archmage's was last week. We have another one dimensional character, this one whose only driving force is jealousy. Here we had a chance to see how he became what he is, what motivations he had and a chance to have a bad guy we could care something about, but instead he's just a jealous schemer.

And then there is my single biggest complaint about the episode, one that although it was probably a slip should never have been allowed in the episode or any Dark Ages episode. Ever.

Goliath called Javin by name.

When I saw this I practically screamed at it. No gargoyle would ever call any by any given name. Not only that, but these are supposed to be names given to them by Brother Edmund, names that none of the gargoyles even know exist. This inconcistancy was so flaming in my eyes that it lowered my thoughts on the episode. It was hard enough dealing with the naming of the gargoyles in the past. This was just too much.

*****end spoilers*****

Well, that's about it for now. bye for now.

Thought for the Day:
"Devotion you've got. Perjury isn't in the job description."
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Monday, November 15, 1999 05:21:49 AM
IP: welch-roberts-187-24.res.iastate.edu

Pardon the double post; got off the hook quickly.

Mara: Currently occupied with reading "Weeds" MiSTed... so, you're just greedy, are you? *Raises a brow speculatively.* So, where you stayin'? ;) *Looks aroud defensively.* Hey, a guy's gotta seize any chance he's got, right?

Weird People In My Life: I just realized something: I have a very good friend in RL that is likely to remain single for a VERY looooong time... he's got one major obstacle when it comes to women, and one practically impassable; his standards are extremely high, that's the major obstacle. The impassable obstacle is that unfortunately, those very few women that meet his standards are likely to have standards of their own... and you hardly find them more non-standard... poor sot. On a side note: He's the second most annoying and disgusting person I know... he's the best student I ever had. ;)

Well, enough about me and my odd RL friends.

I'll catch you guys later, I have some stuff to catch up on.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, November 15, 1999 04:03:57 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi, everyone. Replies commence henceforth.

Christine: Best of luck, milady.

Reverend Attila: See ya later, Cat. Catch you in another Joyride, if we meet again before our time-travelling adventures.

Coyote: Family Jewels quote: Uuuuugh... Oh, by the way, what sounds like a neat idea? I have a SEVERELY faulty memory when I'm on my second day stretch in a caffeine-laced state.

Wilek Nereus: That Titanic joke has basically been done. Ever seen Ghostbusters 2? Glad you like the MiST idea, though...

Gunjack Valentine: You have a 400MHz computer and play 33MHz games? Our problems are opposites, friend... almostly. And yes, there are three XCOM Strategy games, then there's one flightsim and a 3D Clone (Not Sevarius work, though). The three Strategy games are titled thusly (at least on this side of the Atlantic) Ufo: Enemy Unknown, XCOM: Terror From the Deep and XCOM: uhh... I think it was Annihilation or Armageddon or something, not too sure... I don't think I'd like the third game anyway... seems much too complicated.

Sevarius Jr.: I am not corrupted. I am just ethically challenged. :)

Pistoff: Did I have an idea for the Gargoyles/Sliders crossover? Hm, maybe I did. See my previous comment on caffeine, waking hours and memory... Oh, and I'd say you're just as sick as the Jericho groupies... only you've come to terms with it, as you yourself stated.

Well, gotta run. Bye.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, November 15, 1999 03:43:46 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Oh man, what a day...worked 10 hours straight because the stupid bastard who was supposed to come in at 4:30 decided not to show up--and didn't bother to call us ahead of time so we could find a replacement. So I got to stay there till 7...This has happened so many times...the guy I mentioned a while back, who got his nose broken--he was late for work every damn time even BEFORE he got beat up. And always when _I_ was the one who was supposed to go home at that time. And then, a few days ago, a different driver was late, again when I was supposed to leave. And now yet _another_ driver didn't even bother to show up. It's like they're thinking, "Hey, Fred's working, let's stiff him!"

And today, of all days, this had to happen. Every single customer I dealt with was a complete, perfect, pure and unrefined idiot. And the capper was an order this evening that turned out to be a prank. Oh my god, this kind of stuff pisses me off to no end. When somebody places a prank order and I have to try to deliver it, it costs me money because I don't get paid for deliveries I don't make. So I waste gas and don't get paid even the piddly little fifty cents for the delivery. Why do people do things like this? Does this seem funny to anybody? What kind of satisfaction can you get out of sending a pizza guy on a prank delivery? You can't see it happen, you don't get a free pizza out of it, you don't get any money...all you get is the knowlege that you probably pissed somebody off.

*sigh* The truly frustrating thing is that I couldn't get my hands on either of those sons of bitches....

Anyway...

Mandolin: I agree about Jericho working well as a villain in Christine's stories, and in fact said so at least once during the Great Debate. And I also said, in my previous comment to Crzy, that I don't intend to continue it. There's obviously no point. Anything I could say now has already been said. I wouldn't have gone off the way I did last time, but her attempt to compare the insults to Ricky Martin and her crush on Jericho honestly annoyed me. There simply is no comparison. It's apples and oranges. So anyway, I don't plan to continue this, since it's a hopeless battle. :( But at least it diverted people's attention from the recent flame war. *winks* :)

Warp: I like your idea for Aaron's Gargs/Sliders thingie. Very interesting, indeed... As for your membership in the Jericho Fanclub...a pity...but I'm glad to know that it's because of his psychosis. I have to admit, looked at in a completely clinical manner, that would be interesting. I'm glad you're able to look at it that way, because I certainly can't. ;) As for Otto "WHAT?"...heh, quite a few people seem to react that way. ;) He hasn't really received that retort a lot, but he sure does fire off similar retorts of his own. :) He's just an example of how to make a fun, interesting character who's a good guy rather than a villain. For instance, in "House of Cards," the first story he appears in, he meets Demona for the first time. He oogles her for a moment, then says, "Yeah, this'll give me something to fantasize about when I masturbate later tonight." Just that one line provides quite a bit of character development, doesn't it? ;) Oh, and as for being "sicker than most of the chicks in the Jericho Fanclub"--no, not quite _that_ sick. But at least I admit that I _am_ pretty sick. Those people, however, are simply in denial. ;)

Dogma: I'm glad to hear it's a good movie, but I doubt I'll see it before it's released on video. The town I live in is so backwards that movies like Dogma never even show up in the local theaters. The nearest cities that would be showing it are Eugene or Portland, and I don't have the time or money or inclination to drive a couple hundred miles just to see a movie. :( Damn this town...

Jenna: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 8D

Christine: No need to be hostile about the Joyride comment I made. It was just a joke! As for your comments about Beautiful People...well, that triggered a rant that would've used up too much space in here, so I had to put it on my Rant Page. :) About the incest story you mentioned--you're right, that's absolutely hideous. That bitch (no matter _what_ she looks like) should be put in a room with soft walls and be fed apple sauce for the rest of her pathetic life.

Reverend Attila: Heh...that issue won't cause any more trouble. If what I've already said won't get through to these people, nothing will. Besides, I only earn 15 cents more than minimum wage. Fifty bucks per hour...can't afford it. ;)

Fleur: Good to see ya in here again! :D Congrats on the job, too! Now you'll be able to share stupid-customer stories with the rest of us. ;) But _another_ car accident? ACK! Jeez...how many does that make, now? Or have you lost count? :P I hope you weren't hurt.

Coyote: Uh...Star Trek and The Love Boat? Hmm... O_O Am...I better off not knowing? ;) Sorry about the email thing. I've been having problems with the server, in addition to other IRL crap...I'll try again soon. :)

Jannie: *bows* Thank you. :) Um..."penus"?!?! *shakes head, totally stumped* That thing about the homeless man...the fact that things like this are allowed to happen really says a lot about our society. That guy was probably living in some sort of shelter...until some yuppies decided to shut it down because it made the neighborhood look bad. :(

Delphi: "The wheel's turning, but the hamster's dead." *blinks, then ROTFLMAO!! :)

Wilek: Love the Titanic 2 idea. If we get to see DiCaprio die _again_, it'll be worth the price of admission. :) Redneck's Hot Date> Get your mind out of the gutter. ;) j/k

Gunjack: Define "okay"? Hmmm..."okay" is a word that, more often than not, can't be applied to me. ;) It's been this way for, oh...five years. *g* So I don't think I could define it... Glad I piqued your curiosity, though. My fics are in the archive...for some reason, some of them appear to be in quadruplicate...and I've put the first ten or so on my site. :)

SJ: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 8D

Now for a new addition to my Rant Page: "Don't Hate me Because I'm Beautiful" ;) Clickie clickie! :)

And speaking of Beautiful People, check _this_ out...

"I wish my butt did not go sideways, but I guess I have to face that." --Christie Brinkley
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Monday, November 15, 1999 03:01:21 AM
IP: wire-16.koalas.com

I'm going to make this quick because I have to get some sleep for my Philosophy test in the morning. That is one confusing class. I really don't know how I'm going to do. Probably somewhere inbetween really good and very, very bad.

Jenna & SJ- Happy Birthdays! Parties!

Anne- It was about $40 for me but it was worth it and don't be in such a hurry to grow up, being young is fun.

Fire Storm-not the only one-I'd better not be the only one.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Monday, November 15, 1999 02:45:40 AM
IP: cache2.avtel.net

>>SJ<< Happy 21st B-day!! Aren't you glad to be able to legally consume alcohol? Personally I never touch the stuff. *lifts her buttery nipple and salutes you*
Jodi - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, November 15, 1999 01:33:46 AM
IP: spider-ti013.proxy.aol.com

Well, by the time I post this, it shall be November 15. That's MY birthday. Big ol' 21!!! I can drink legally! If I drank that is. Oh well...But first things first--somebody else has had a birthday, haven't they?

JENNA!!!! Happy Birthday!!!!! Well, I'll forgo the usual birthday bumps, cause you're a lady and I'm not feeling naughty tonight. But I do have something special for you!

***SJ wheels in two very large, Buick-sized boxes, wrapped in brightly colored paper!***
Okay, in one of these boxes is a brand new automobile! And in the other, one of my mista----um, experiments, from the ol' laboratory. Either gift is great, so choose! You can only pick one, and--
**SJ suddenly notices that the box on the right is moving away. He produces a sledgehammer from behind his back.***
Um....hold on a sec.
***SJ moves out of view, and the sound of a struggle is heard, with frequent shouts of pain by SJ. Eventually, he reappears, the hammer covered in black ichor and his clothes rumpled.***
Dangit, I must remember to make them with less teeth next time....Anyway, um, take your pick! What? Whatta you mean you want the left one? Dangit, they always choose the gift that isn't breathing...

Warpmind: Oh, so you were introduced to Vampire: the Masquerade recently huh? Aw, another soul corrupted. Join the ranks of the Damned, my friend! ;)

Wilek: Titanic 2, huh? A bit odd, but certainly more entertaining than the first. Gotta be. I might watch that if the ghosts are sufficiently bloodthirsty and violent. But if some annoying little brat pops up claiming he "sees dead people", I'm outta there ;)

***X-FILES REVIEW***
Okay, better episode this week than last week, but still a lot of confusion on my end, probably stemming from the fact that, after 6 years of the show, we still have hardly any answers to the zillions of questions raised. Let's see what we find out so far:
CSM is Mulder's father. But it's not confirmed. He says that he is, and Mulder's mom seems real chummy with him, and he talks like Fox is his kid, but no concrete evidence. Where's a blood test when you need it?
Fowley gets it. Can't really say I shed a tear here. But she did die, conceivably, saving Mulder from (possible) death. And that weird guy from last week gets it in the forehead.
Mulder is some sort of alien hybrid now. This bugs the hell out of me. I really, really, REALLY don't like all this prophecy BS with Mulder being like, the "chosen one" who's destined to save Earth from the aliens. And now he's supposed to be part alien and the key to stopping the aliens cause he's immune to the Black Oil? I personally think that when Carter shovels it, he really uses both hands. Whatever.
And Crycek is still out there, killing people and hurting Skinner. For God knows what reason.
Overall, a blah blah episode for me. Still confusing as hell, and hardly impressive to me as the resolution to last year's "cliffhanger". Next week's episode goes back to basics with some sort of brain-eating mutant, so maybe it'll be better ;)
***END REVIEW***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, November 15, 1999 12:08:58 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

01101001011101010101******
Neural Diagnostic..........Done
Synapse Route Check...Done
Fastrack Processer Check.......................Done

Augmentation Online......
<<*wakeywakey*>>

*Valentine starts violently as he regains concoisness, and nearly loses it again when his head smacks into the underside of his desk*

Ouchywawa... Okay, enough of lying unconsious on the floor. Time to check up on what happened while I was out...

*After downing some Cyliborne Ale for the headache, Valentine jacks into his terminal and absorbs the latest posts*

First things first...
Warpmind - Thanks for the pun explanation... Now I've got to make sure that my dad (the king of the cornballs) NEVER sees it...
Also, thanks to Shogun for the Gargs CDM stuff. :)

Pisstoff><<Heh, glad I could provide some laughs. But... <<gibbergibbergibber*>> Um, are you gonna be okay?>> Define ok...:) Don't worry, a mental skip was almost inevitable. When you get to the point of starring blankly at a wall while extrapolating CQB scenarios, something's gonna give sooner or later... :) No permanent harm done.
I am now, however, EXTREMELY curious about this world of yours...:)

Jenna><< And that's why in "let there be gargoyles" I had gargoyles be a direct creation of God. It's kind of a reverse - what looks angelic, turns out to be demonic; and what appears demonic (the gargoyles and angels) turn out to be divine.>> *Valentine adds another item to his fics-that-need-to-be-read list* Um, one question. Why are the ANGELS demonic in appearence?

Robby - You swore off fanfics!?? Why??

Delphi - More groaners! Where do you find these things? :)

Wilek><<That, friend, is why I got into fic writing. It gives the author his very own universe, to build and populate and run as he sees fit. It's quite the power trip. Muhahahaha.>> Friggin' A. That whole power trip thing is why I like GMing games so much... The thrill of knowing that your players have just screwed themselves six ways in the last three minutes, and yet don't realise it...:)

Warpmind><<Oooh, you're an XCOM player, too? I frequently kick alien butt in the two first games, but, alas, Ahasverus will never have the capacity for the third of the series.>> Bought the game for ten bucks back just before I started my Big Summer Adventure (TM), and that was probably the best ten bucks I've ever spent on entertainment... Of course, thanks to various DC hijinks, I've had to start over about twenty times, but I still love the game... Now, if I could only scrounge up another copy of "Syndicate"...
Heh. Somehow, it seems wrong to play only 33mhz games on a 400mhz computer... :) Now what's this about a second game? I didn't know that there was a #2...:D

Warpmind(again)<<Goliath, MacBeth and Puck (the last of which is bound by magical iron) are somehow trapped in an underground cell, forced by Demona to MiST fanfics by all sorts of authors. Now, as most of the not-so-good fics have, no doubt, already been MiSTed, Demona is only willing to consider the release of the three males who have caused her most agony and frustration if they make wisecracks on the well-written Gargoyles fanfics that roam this world... Christine Morgan, Christi Smith Hayden, TGS (?) and so on, and so on, and so on...>> ROFL! I may actually have to try this...:)
Oh, and can anybody give me a line on where I can find a LARGE chunk of the aformentioned MST fics?

Anne><<OH yeah, I saw "Saving Private Ryan" last night *shudders* I can't believe I didn't get nightmares from that movie. It's awesome but so...so...tragic, um.... Don't wanna give any spoilers>> Good movie, don't you agree? That's the only movie I've ever seen that managed to convey the ugliness of real war, and the knifing part at the end screwed me over for two weeks...

R. Attila><<Mera sounds like she has a taste for violence. They're the best type of women around :)>> Honestly, you have NO idea...:D

Fluer - Welcome back! :)

Coyote><<
Elisa: "I know where Mace stashed your family jewels."
Dracon: "Don't play with me, Maza."

o_O Uh... Did I read that right? It must be my vision going. That's it. They would NEVER let THAT through the sensors... ;)

Wilek(T2) - I almost hate to say it, but that sounds like a supriseingly cool story...

Mmm. Eleven o'clock, and I want to do some plot work before I go to bed, so...
Gunjack Valentine
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:53:26 PM
IP: 1cust224.tnt4.dfw5.da.uu.net

**grrr** I really hate this connection through school. It took over half a minute just to find and load the add-comments page, so I guess I was top 11. Anyway, I promise I really will make a real post later tonight.
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:52:18 PM
IP: ppp-229-221.usc.edu

Top 10 I think/hope...
Zath
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:49:02 PM
IP: ppp-229-221.usc.edu

Ummm... thanks for the warning, Robby. :P

Luckily I noticed this and doubly-lucky that I had everything ready for the update in advance. You tryin' to make me look bad? :P

Anyhoo...

We now present to you for your reading pleasure:
Nowhere to Run (pt 1 or 2)

"Things aren't always as they seem."

Written by Shauntell Holm and Jonathan Cotleur.
Illustrations by Shauntell Holm. Computer colouring by Tony "Marlos" Teakles.

share.and.enjoy...share.and.enjoy.
Tony "Marlos" Teakles - [marlos@spottycat.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:48:36 PM
IP: ts7-93t-23.idirect.com

I think that I Am # TEN. Woo-hoo!
AotN
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:19:15 PM
IP: fn-39-22.sssnet.com

I thought I'd run this by y'all. The Muses saw fit to visit me in a dream and implant into me an idea for...Titanic 2. Put away your weapons, friends, ;) this one...well, it might stink as much as the first one, but maybe it won't. Here's the plot: It takes place in the modern day. In New York, no less (that was the ship's destination, no?). The police start finding people dead in mysterious ways, in ways that logic dictates that they couldn't have died. Drowning on dry land, for example, or being turned into chunky salsa by phantom propellers. Later, people start seeing ghosts in 1920s attire and perfectly landlocked buildings start filling with water, so by now the police start to realize that There's Something Odd Going On. This is confirmed when the Titanic pulls into the bay (what's left of it, at any rate). >:) Through a plot complication, it is determined or revealed that the whole thing is being orchestrated by the now evil, insane, and quite powerful ghost of the guy Leonardo DiCaprio played in the first movie, ticked off for being parted from Kate Winslett and taking it out on humanity in general. This is so we can get to see him die again (first in a flashback, then at the end of the movie). >;) Anyhow, the climax of the movie would be the heroes planting explosives around the ship while Leo tries to kill them with Poltergeist/Haunting-style special effects, and most of them manage to get off just before the ship is destroyed. Well? Thumbs up? Down? Joyride the author? ;P

Warpmind> MST idea> I love it! >:D Anyone want to do mine? ;) <<that sounds almost as amusing as the guy who called his dog "Sex"... I presume most of you here have encountered that story on one or more occasions...>> I haven't, and something tells me I don't want to... <<Pistoff: Redneck's Hot Date? Man, you are probably sicker than most of those chicks in the Jericho Fanclub that you mock... *Shudder*>> I don't think I want to know about this either...

Jenna> Happy birthday!!! :D

Fleur> Welcome back, lass! :D <<I'm kind to animals and I have a sunny disposition. (cyber cookie if you can guess where I got that quote from!)>> Like there's anyone here who can't? ;) <<One car accident. (Yes, another one. *pout* Not my fault the driver behind me forgot that we use the BRAKE to stop. *eternal optimist rears its annoyingly cheerful head* But at least the driver didn't _mean_ to hit you, and he was insured. *eternal cynic headbutts the optimist and adds* And he didn't back up and hit you again!)>> ACK!!! I'm glad it wasn't *too* bad. :/

Coyote> <<I've heard horror stories of adult employees of my store (different branch) getting transferred and leaving behind Furbys that will, without warning, cuss a blue streak like a sailor on crack. :)>> <blink> How in the WORLDS did they hack the sound chip?! <> That's the show I had in mind, but I was thinking more along the lines of a custom job. Maybe a Lamborghini that turns into a tank or something. ;)

Jannie> <<Martin Luther King was leader in the ______ rights movement in the 1960's. The boy wrote: penus O.O Now, some of the kids wrote siblizashun = civilization or sibil, sivle = civil (correct answer, of course) but for the love of pete, I can't figure out this one! I know what it is sounded out, but surely he didn't mean *that* ! *LOL* at least I HOPE he didn't mean that! *blinks*>> Um...ack. Not a clue, and maybe I don't want to know...
Wilek Nereus - [<--MST-able fics]
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:16:38 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

HaHA!
Toku Kaioto
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:14:19 PM
IP: 141.133.150.161

Top several!
Pogo
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:11:42 PM
IP: proxy5-external.alsv1.occa.home.com

Top FIVE!...SIX!....seven?
shogun raptor
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:09:23 PM
IP: mia1-wc1.atlas.digex.net

Top 10! :D
Wilek
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:08:58 PM
IP: spaceproxy.com

Top Ten! Maybe top five, if I'm fast enough!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:07:46 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

3rd
J. Random Lurker
NJ
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:04:49 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Second! Ye gods... O_O
Pistoff
Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:00:28 PM
IP: wire-4.koalas.com

I'm going to bed a bit early tonight, so I'm going to go ahead and wipe the CR now... Marlos hasn't posted the story yet, but he should soon...
Robby
Sunday, November 14, 1999 10:59:43 PM
IP: spider-wa054.proxy.aol.com