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Hi everybody. Changeling Seed chapter 2 WILL be finished tonight, even if I don't get to bed until 3 in the morning. I don't have to work tomorrow, so that's not such a big deal. :)

After that, I have to write the "alpha version" of the Side World RPG, which is due to my editor by the end of the month.

After THAT, I *MIGHT* write Freelance episode 4, just for a break. A lot depends on how well my outline for CS ch 3 goes. If I think it's going to take all month to write the next chapter, then I won't have time to do the fanfic. However, now even my little brother is badgering me about the next episode, so I'm thinking about it.

Jannie> I'm praying for you.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:08:50 AM
IP: usr12-dialup168.mix1.irving.cw.net

Anne: The guy who wrote Supernova is doing WHAT? Great, I guess we're going to see another excellent franchise ruined by stupid Hollywood effects bullc*^p. Fantastic. <sighs> Hope the movies are good, doubt they will be. Whatever happens, I still have no intention of wasting my time with s&*t like Supernova any time in the near or far future. ;(

Christine: Great job on Becca's fansite. Hope she appreciates all the work you did for her. Out of all the drawings of Lex on it I think I like hers best (they remind me of my own meager but still good drawing skills) out of all the unofficial ones. My favorite official ones are the Evil Lex pics, the ad-like ones, and especially the ones with him and the rest of the Trio. Great emotion captured in those. Yeah, I know I can't give you full credit for them, but still...:) Thanks from me for putting up the good work, hope you're getting something similar from Becca. <grin>

AotN: No problem with your dislike of the pictures, you're entitled to your opinion. As am I, and I still like them. :) Agree with you about Johnny Depp, who could look the part of Raistlin easily too IMO. Just hope they remember to give his golden-eye contacts hourglass pupils when the movie comes round and don't call any more attention to them than is necessary. (Yeah, I know only the real fans will care about this little detail, but still...:)

Tim P.: You're quite welcome, friend. And don't worry, a lot of people probably agree with you about Mr. Manson (I know I'm one of them). If you end up needing a poster for your fics, I'd be happy to help. Just send all the details, E-mail's at bottom of this post.

That's all for tonight, have other stuff to do. Be back later in the week. Bye for now.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, January 16, 2000 11:32:51 PM
IP: 209.138.202.22

Sorry for the double post?!

AotN
Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:59:54 PM
IP: 216.28.39.62

I *just* read "Second in Command", aftering spending all last Monday going, "WHAT?! NO STORY?!?". :P

Doug> Kay, you may get upset when I say this, but I really don't like Larry Elmore's Raistlin paintings. The guy does one heck of a Tanis, but... well, is it just me, or does Raistlin look different on the front of every cover?! However, I *love* the pic on the front cover of "Brothers in Arms". It's so, well, Raistlin! I have no idea who painted it, but it's incredible! Anyway...

Aaron> After seeing "Sleepy Hollow" last week, I have decided that Johnny Depp would make a pretty fair Raistlin. I don't think the guy smiled *once* throughout the whole movie! Plus, his character was intelligent and logical, which are a part of Raistlin's demeanor. Just take away the girly fear of spiders, give some velvety black robes and a weird pair of golden contacts... :)

All right, I'm ready for the next DA story! :)
AotN
Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:53:30 PM
IP: fn-39-62.sssnet.com

Hey, anyone know when the gargoyles TGS series is gonna start?
Wondering
Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:29:47 PM
IP: spider-wa011.proxy.aol.com

Sorry for the 2X post, but...

OK this is officially weird> For some reason, downloading from my link results in getting an HTML file with the WAV imbedded in it. o_O
Wilek again
Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:28:44 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Check out my name link for Lexy's 'I Wish I Were A Backstreet Boy' sound clip. ^_^

Hm...weirdoid server blip> Even though I'm using the text-only comment room, the first four posts have pictures beside them. O_o

Full post later. ^_^
Wilek
Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:25:26 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Jewel> web page: Comes up fine here. Looks nice, but "My name is Kamiko Tagakushi" tends to blend in with the backgraound. Perhaps it's bexause I am reading it from a laptop.

Puck the Trixter> Mrs. Morgan is a renowned Garg fanfic author and has a published novel, but the novel (and furure ones) are unrelated to the Garg universe.
!@$# Lexy got it before me.

Skippy and other RHPS fans> Check my link.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, January 16, 2000 09:23:34 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Puck the Trixter- Well, not exactly. Christine dosn't write any Gargoyle books per say..er..that would be a LOT of cash for rights;) er..did I spell that wrong? *shrugs* whatever. But she DOES on the other hand write Awsome fan fiction of Gargoyles and you can go to her webpage to check that out at http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/ffiction.htm

She also has a published book entitled "Curse Of The Shadow Beasts" which is also an Excelent read. We are all crossing are talons for the sequal!!
Lexy
Sunday, January 16, 2000 09:18:06 PM
IP: 98ad6d82.ipt.aol.com

Jannie- Now-- no words
jenna
Sunday, January 16, 2000 08:16:26 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-143-187.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

Jannie---

Oh my sister- there are now words.. HUGS in double.

jenna
Sunday, January 16, 2000 08:15:32 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-143-187.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

ATTENTION DALLAS ROCKY HORROR FANS!!!!

Next Saturday is a good weekend to see the show up in Bedford! It turns out that the local ABC news affiliate will be filming a piece on the Rocky Horror cult phenomenon and they want as many people as possible out there! It's safe to say that yours truly will be there. So come on out!
My name link goes to the cast website. you can get directions and info there...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Sunday, January 16, 2000 07:30:34 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-39.ultravision.net

<blinks> Well, that was weird. It's always fun when the CR hiccups, and my comment getting posted twice, with someone posting in between, was quite the weird little hiccup...
jewel
Sunday, January 16, 2000 06:57:39 PM
IP: atlnb104-19.splitrock.net

<wanders in bleary-eyed> I have spent the last six hours in front of a computer working on one stupid website. Yeah, OK, that time was spent downloading fonts, downloading kanji gifs, playing with Photoshop, and teaching myself Dreamweaver, but still...six hours for one stupid website.

Anyway. my point for posting...

I want opinions on this "stupid website." I'm about to start an overhaul of the fanfic page on my site, and decided I might as well start by making pages to explain all the characters i have running around. So this is a test page, and incomplete, but I just wanted to know if it looks OK so far. The bit at the bottom needs jazzing up, but the main part I worry about is the bit you see before scrolling down. Any of y'all mind looking at me and letting me know if it looks ok? Y'all don't have to have read any of my stuff; just ignore the fact you have no idea who the naked chick in the middle of the screen is, and tell me if it looks decent, and just try to ignore the ugly "Xoom" bar at the top; when I move it to my real website (which currently has no free space yet), that will be gone...

Xie.xie!

http://members.xoom.com/jfaulkne/kamiko/
jewel
Sunday, January 16, 2000 06:56:24 PM
IP: atlnb104-19.splitrock.net

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you to the writers of TGS, this place is probably my Number 1 visited site on the net. I would like to know, however, when the new episodes are posted.

I also have read that someone (I think it is Christine) writes Gargoyle books???? If this is so, how do I get in touch with her to find out how much they cost, or is there a website that I can visit to learn more?

Keep up the excellent work!

Puck The Trixter
Puck the Trixter - [puckthetrixter@hotmail.com]
Sunday, January 16, 2000 06:56:02 PM
IP: 209.206.168.98

<--- *What am I looking at up there?*

Doug: Thanks for the praise. I wasn't sure if people just thogh I sucked or if they were just PO'd at me for that comment about Mary Manson's lack of musical talent or something.

I think my service provider is fubar. If I don't get that archive problem fixed soon, I might have to asked somebody if I can e-mail my fanfics to them and upload them for me.
Tim P.
Sunday, January 16, 2000 06:49:34 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Yikes! I have a lot of catching up to do, but right now my family's heading to a friend's so I promise I'll post longer tomorrow night. But I have this to say:
Unfortunate news to everyone who likes The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day--at Corona they're saying that the person who made Supernova is now writing Terminator 3 and is going to write the fourth and fifth installments. I'll check later tonight to give a more specific posting...
Anne
Sunday, January 16, 2000 06:40:35 PM
IP: 204-246-241-133.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Why haven't there been any gargoyles, Pendragons, or timedancers for a long time? Does everyone there have writers block or are you waiting to finist Dark Ages Season 2?
Guardian - [mikesurf16@hotmail.com]
Mandan, North Dakota, USA
Sunday, January 16, 2000 04:55:04 PM
IP: c5800-10-bis.p134.btigate.com

I HAVE RETURNED!!!

<Infinity throws off the Cloak of Invisibility and steps out of the shadows>

Hello everybody! Seems like I've missed a lot since I was last here so I'm gonna try to catch up. I just finished reading Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Not a bad read. It has lots of neat little twists near the end. Someone posted earlier that there' s currently a battle going on to get the rights for the HP movie. All I can say is if it's done right it should be entertaining. I hope they actually take the time to develope the characters and not just make it a special effects romp like The Lost World or Lost in Space.

Cuban crisis- We were talking about this in my Morals and Ethics class on Wednesday. The discussion went round and round and never came to any definite conclusion on whether he should atay in the US or return to Cuba. It is a big decision but no matter how it turns out that poor boy's life is already irreversibly screwed up.

Demona's intelligence- I'll have to go with what seems to be the majority oppinion around here that Demona is extremely intelligent but blinded by hatred. But maybe with a little help from Angela she'll start to lose some of her anger toward humanity. I've been reading Season 1 and 2 of Gargoyles stored in the archive and have really liked how Demona's character has been changing. She's gotten a bit softer due to her motherly relationship with Angela and I like a villain that has more than one dimension to their personality.

Computer games- I owe Xanathur a big thanks for directing me to the save patch for Aliens vs Predator. That games a lot more fun now! Have you got any tips on how to get off the Ferarco when you get to Alien/Level 3? I hope this doesn't spoil anything for you but at the end of level 3 they give you 30sec. to get off this shuttle before it blows so far I've gone down with the ship every single time.

Well, I better go before this post gets any longer. Cheers!

<Infinity wraps the Cloak around herself and vanishes>

Infinity
Sunday, January 16, 2000 04:52:48 PM
IP: nltc-57-62.nltc.net

Jannie> Veni, vidi, vici: right, but I messed up the grammer on scribi. I forgot to check the latin half of the dictionary because it tells me all the forms of the verbs. Scribi is acrually supposed to be scripsi. Eh, que sera sera.

I've always wondered why Puck didn't get more mileage out of the "protect Alexaner" clause. i.e.: "The gargoyles protect the castle; Alexander lives in the castle; therefore the gargoyles protect Alexander; the gargoyles need help; if I help the gargoyles, they can protect Alexander more efficiently; therefore, by helping the gargoyles, I am protecting Alexander."

This is most likely my last post at home. Here's hoping the network upgrade over break didn't kill my connnection.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, January 16, 2000 03:30:43 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Elian Gonzalez > It seems 99% of the people commenting on this case in the news are only concerned with the politics and care very little about the child himself. While the phrase "best interests of the child" is bandied about, it's lip service at best in an event that has become much more a competition between political adversaries.

Unfortunately for Elian, a great deal of the damage has already been done - he has nothing but disappointment to look forward to regardless of whether he stays in the US or is returned to his father in Cuba. Even if the U.S. courts decide that another thumbing of the nose at Fidel Castro is more important than a father's right to raise his own son, Elian will never be anything more than another flavor of the week news story. His 15 seconds of fame over at age 6, he will fade into obscurity, lucky to become a trivia item on a future episode of "Jeopardy" or "Who Wants to be a Millionaire." There will be no more cheering crowds... no more all-expenses-paid trips to Disneyworld... no more lavish gifts of toys once the general public and the politicians have made their point and look for their next cause-of-the-moment.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, January 16, 2000 03:09:49 PM
IP: 98cfcade.ipt.aol.com

Hey everyone, thanks for your support. Hows it going?
Jaden: Freaky clock, wonder why the wires are reversed...
EVERYONE: Why hasn't there been a new Time Dancer or anything in a verry long time?????? I mean come on!

RANT WARNING RANT

X FILES: Can't wait till tonight to see whats going on, sadly last time there was no new ep, so I'm hopefull.

POKEMON: Bye Brock, ya he's the one going to those of you are have little brothers or sisters watching the show, it hooks you.

GARGOYLES: Word is there's a new series coming on TV, could be a rumor, but lets keep hopes up!

COMPUTER GAMES: Myth 2 is a great game, I recomend to go and get it, you have to kill all these myths so you can make your way to the castle and save them. HArd but cool.

STUART LITTLE: Brought my little sis to see it, good movie. Thumbs up

WIZARDS FIRST RULE: Good book by Troy Fanatsy, Author is Terry Goodkind, funny as hell. Did you know that in medievil times Bags meant Dam#?
Getting the sequal today. The first one is 836 pages, the second one, stone of Tears, is 1,983 so keep your eyes out!

LORDS OF CHAOS: Also a good book, only 734, lots of mythical cratures, and names that are verry hard to say. So watch out for those books.

<Hugs Jaden> Bye, sorry for not sending in a while Jaden, been busy. Check your e mail. BYE
Brooklyn - [brooklyn_wyvern@hotmail.com]
Glendale Hights, IL, USA
Sunday, January 16, 2000 01:00:20 PM
IP: dialup-209.244.66.178.chicago1.level3.net

Every once in a while, I see something that makes me think, "My *God*, is it sick world."
Bennington, of the "United Colors of" fame has begun a new ad cmapaing. The subjects, all wearing bright Benington clothes?

Death Row Inmates.

http://slate.msn.com/Code/chatterbox/chatterbox.asp?Show=1/13/00&idMessage=4367

I went directly to the Benington website as well, and managed to find myself wanting to actually be sick.

Turly, it is a sick world after all.
jewel
Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:14:20 PM
IP: 98a9e782.ipt.aol.com

Unwanted Slash fic>
I had this nasty idea for a Worf/Lwaxana Troi fic. Should that be added to the list?

Elian Gonzalez> Honestly, I'd see his life better off in Cuba with his father than here in America. For the next few years I'd expect he would be given exellent treatment by the goverment and people without as much propaganda spin as he would recive in Miami. I'm sorry, I have no sympathy for the plight of the Cuban expatriates (calling them Cuban-Americans is wrong because they obviously don't give a sh!t about this country, just what they can freeload off of our goverment)

It is high time to change our immigration laws to eliminate the preferential treatment of Cubans. The Cold War is over, I think we need to make efforts towards getting along with our neigbors even if we don't share similar political views. We should lift the embargo, we should repeal the Helms/Burton act (any law connected to Jesse Helms ought to be repealed :) and we should treat Cuba like any other Carribiean nations. The threat Cuba poses to us is minimal, there is no reason to keep on treaing them like the most dangerous nation in the world...

tootles
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Skippy The Klingon
Sunday, January 16, 2000 11:25:58 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-26.ultravision.net

Hey, all. I got this forward yesterday, and while it is a wee bit risque, I thought I would share....

****Warning! Potentially offensive material!****

Characters We *Don't* Want to See "Slash"ed

1.Luke/Yoda
2.Boss Hog/Roscoe P. Coltrane
3.Gilligan/Skipper
4.R2D2/C3P0
5.Dief/Rin Tin Tin
6.Lurch/Fester
7.Ken/GI Joe
8.Bugs/Daffy
9.Rimmer/Holly
10.Frohike/Langly/Byers
11.Michael Knight/Kitt
12.Ricky Ricardo/Fred Mertz
13.Frank Burns/Radar O'Reilly
14.Jake/The Fatman
15.Quark/Worf
16.Marshall Dillon/Festus
17.Andy Griffith/Barney Fyffe
18.Yogi Bear/Boo Boo
19.Scooby Doo/Huckleberry Hound
20.Chip/Dale
21.Tom/Jerry
22.Scotty/Harry Mudd
23.Archie/Jughead/Reggie
24.Screech/Mr. Belding
25.Steve Urkel/Eddie
26.Ren/Stimpy
27.Darwin/Flipper
28.Beevis/Buthead
29.Col. Klinck/Sgt. Shultz
30.Larry/Moe/Curly
31.Han Solo/Jaba the Hut
32.Mulder/Flukeman
33.Popeye/Brutus
34.Bozo the Clown/Ronald MacDonald
35.Homer Simpson/Montgomery Burns
36.Norm Peterson/Cliff Clavin
37.Les Nessman/Herb Tarlek
38.Spawn/Violator
39.Mr. Drisdele/Jethro Bodine
40.Egor/Renfield
41.Gladis Kravitz/Endora
42.Darren Stevens/Larry Tate
43.Hoss/Little Joe
44.Ralph/Potsy
45.Maxell Smart/Agent 13
46.Mr. Raines/Broots
47.The Professor/Mr. Howell
48.Dudley Doright/Underdog
49.The Penguin/The Riddler
50.Peter Parker/J.J.Jamison
51.CC Babcock/Nanny Fine
52.The Beast/Gaston
53.The Brawny Paper Towel Guy/The Green Giant
54.Kramer/Newman
55.Jerry Seinfeld/George Costanza
56.Mr.Rogers/Mr. McFeely
57.X the Owl/King Friday
58.Orac/The Batcave Computer
59.Mrs. Brady/Alice
60.Freddy/Jason
61.Gumby/Pokey
62.Homer/Mr. Burns
63.Bart/Nelson
64.Marge/Ms. Crabapple
65.Phineas Bogg/Jeffrey Jones
66.Roadrunner/Coyote
67.Skanke/Frohike
68.Chewbacca/The Carebears
69.Lenny/Squiggy
70.Principle Synder/Giles
71.Mulder/Cigarette-Smoking Man
72.Fred Flintstone/Barney Rubble
73.RoseAnne/Nancy (Sandra Bernhardt)
74.Dan Conner/Arnie (Tom Arnold)
75.Mr. Kotter/Horshack
76.Mr. Carlson/Dr. Johnny Fever
77.Marvin the Martian/K9
78.Hank Hill/Boomhauer
79.Eric Cartman/Kenny (He'd Kill Kenny!)
80.Darth Vader/Boba Fett
81.The Doctor/Adric
82.Quinn Mallory/Maximillian Arturo
83.Any combination involving the Holograms and the Misfits
84.Any or all of the Power Rangers or Ninja Turtles
85.Scooby/Shaggy
86.Flynn/Tron
87.Logan/Rem/Jessica (Old Logan's Run TV series)
88.Dave/HAL
89.Bashir/Worf
90.Cmdr. Walsh/Sen. Wheiner (Galaxy Rangers cartoon)
91.Mumm-Ra/ANYONE!
92.Skeletor/Beastman
93.Adam/Man-at-arms
94.Catra/She-Ra
95.Hunk/Chip (Voltron Lions Series)
96.Rocky/Bullwinkle
97.Fred/Barney
98.Wilma/Betty
99.Methos/Maurice
100.Tootie/Mrs. Garrett
101.Willie/Alf

***End potentially offensive material!***

I gotta admit, the ones I'd heard of, I had to agree with. I found myself more than once going, "Eww, gross! They're right, I wouldn't want to see *them* slashed..."
jewel
Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:39:59 AM
IP: atlnb208-12.splitrock.net

Gside> the original line is I came, I saw, I conquered.

Tim> Happy belated Birthday! Call around for prices - just don't call Best Buy ;)

Anne> slumber party: heh, I remember those. For some reason I always ended up being in deep crapoyla afterwards and grounded for weeks - but it was worth it ;) *feigns innocent look* The only slumber party I'll have now will be with Denis and I *wiggles eyebrows*

Lexy> I went back and read your post more thoroughly. You did say that being manipulative required some intelligence (at least at that level) Sorry, fever was not allowing me total concentration.

I received a phone call and visit from my wayward daughter (or as I normally refer to her: "Person formally known as my daughter") this week. She called claiming that I owed her $75 - from a year & a half ago.... I didn't, but I could tell she was desperate. It seems that now she is in her own apt. and no longer mooching off of friends, she has found things to be quite difficult & was short this week's rent. She's in some type of apt. that pays by the week. As usual, she acted as if nothing had ever happened between us & continues living in her fantasy world. After questioning, I found out that she was short on her rent and only had 4 eggs left in her fridge to eat (no other food). She showed up at my house the next day - I gave her the money and 6 bags of groceries along with a hug & told her that I loved her. She made false promises of staying in contact (I've heard that before - Christmas '98) and she left. Until she can admit she has a problem & is willing to seek help, none of this means anything. This is not a step towards reconcilliation, she just needed something. I'm not willing to forget the lies that she told about us or the pain that she has caused until she can face up to reality. A couple of examples of her lies are that the reason she ran away from home was that she was physically abused by her father. Her reason for quitting high school was that if she didn't make straight A's on her report card, I would beat her close to death and she couldn't handle any more beatings. *blinks* Apparently I didn't beat her hard enough ;) No, I didn't beat her! She was grounded a week for D she would make. *rolls eyes* Her IQ is 142 - there were no excuses for D's.
Anyway, after she left, I crawled back into bed and dealt with the 103 fever I was currently running and as soon as it all hits me, it's going to be a rough ride.
At least I know she's safe. She still was secretative & didn't offer address nor phone number to contact her.
My brother seems to think that she is beginning to realize the mistake that she made and is trying to save face at the same time. Under most circumstances, I would allow her to remain with as much dignity as possible and would reach out to her. However, considering what she has done, the magnitude of the situation - I think she needs a good dose of reality. *sighs* I guess once again I'll play the waiting game to see if she is possibly serious about wanting to make amends this time or not. I refuse to build my hopes - the crash is too painful and deadly for me....
Sorry for the ramblings.

*picks up Juanita, (my chihuahua) and goes back to bed*
Jannie
Sunday, January 16, 2000 08:50:16 AM
IP: 196-114.c.esc4.net

**RP HERE**

In the Avatar of Ganon's hangar, the Black Ravens are all watching as the alien Miriam brought in (an MIB-worm-type who looks very tired) works on the bomb. "Somebody's messed up this thing's circuits beyond belief!" he warbles angrily. "Who worked on it before I got here?" "Uh, that would be me," Jammer says. "And just for the record, I did disarm most of it." "Whatever," the worm snaps, looking away. "It's okay, Jim," Kit says when Jammer scowls at him. "Just let the guy do his work." "Right," Jammer sighs. "I just hope he doesn't blow us all up." "He shouldn't," says Miriam. "This worm is the best as they come when dealing with bombs." Suddenly several lights on the explosive device flash on. "Uh," Doug asks, "what do those mean?" The worm looks at them and gulps. "Someone just set off the bomb by remote control. But it's not exploding." Quickly he reaches in and snips a pair of wires, making all the lights go out. "There, completely disarmed." "I'll call a team to get it off the station," Miriam says, walking off. "You must have scrambled that thing's wires so much it couldn't work right any more, huh, Jammer?" Stephanie grins at the Ravens' driver. Jammer nods. "Uh yeah, wow. And I wasn't even sure what I was doing with that thing." "You did fine," Doug tells him. "We're all alive. No problems." "All personnel!" the station's comm shouts just then. "Prepare to recieve Protoss Battle Cruiser Duran 9 in Hangar M-7! This ship has sent us a distress call and we are taking it on board. I repeat, all personnel..." "That sounds like a problem," Shap says. "A Protoss Battle Cruiser?" Gubio frowns. "I thought they didn't exist." "Lots of things exist out here," said Kit. "Should we go check it out, Doug?" Doug nods. "Is the bomb completely disarmed now?" "As long as no one gets down here with an open flame," the worm replies. "Good," Doug smiles. "Okay, we'll go check out that cruiser, see if we can help. Lathrop, you and Boris stay here just in case someone wants to know where we've wandered off to. Everyone else, let's be traveling on." Most of the Ravens nod and follow him down the hangar aisle as the screen's image fades.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Greetings. How is the room doing right now? Fine, I hope. Kit and I are both having a good weekend so far, we saw a couple good movies. (Look further down for reviews.) School for us starts next Tuesday of course, so this is our last weekend as free people. For another semester anyway. <sigh> Oh well, as we've said before, the time and price will be worth it as long as the things we learn are interesting enough. :)

Fanfic Progress: Dormant should be finished by next week, I have it at that point where I know what to put down and I just have to get it there. The new semester and the last wave of fun parties before the new semester are probably going to hold me up a bit, but the story will be done, don't worry! :) Eight scenes or so left, and I'm pretty much feeling good about the story. Of course only feedback when it comes out will let me know if my feelings are right.

Fleur: Welcome back. Yes, of course we remember you. :) Glad to see you in here again.

Jaden: Don't worry, I've taken your advice on the power so far. ;) Just hope the credit lasts. $ Hope I haven't ruined any of your RP plans by disarming the bomb so fast. Don't worry, we're not going to have any reason to suspect you of setting it, so you'll have the opportunity to do something else at a later time. :) $

Demona's Intelligence: Good posts on this since I left. I think the final verdict is that Demona is very smart and adaptable, but her hatred and rage limit her. Now that they're going away, and she's trying to learn from her mistakes, she may become a much more formidable opponent. Definitely a development I can sponsor and agree with, thank goodness Demona probably won't continue to be working against the clan. (Though Xanatos is a possibility, if she can get Nightstone to compete with XE enough. :) I agree with Kaioto about her wisdom and Hudson's, and with Jenna about the concept of intelligence, don't feel the need to say more than that.

Crzy: People have said it before, I'll say it again- Good Demona pic!

Stephen: Congrats on getting published again. Read your story last night, and found it very interesting and well-written. Hope much more success is waiting for you in the future ahead.

The Fay- Threat or Menace?: I personally agree with the people who have spoken out against killing all the fay, though the ones for it have made some good points. I think this debate's pretty much over, but I will say one more thing- It's pretty clear to me that things in the Gargoyles Universe can not stay as they are if humans should discover the fay exist. Basically, humans must either go on being ignorant of them (the way Oberon likes it) while the fay have their Gathering and other reasons to not mess with them, or the humans must discover that fay are real, which will change everything. Religion, myth, science, the very concepts of magic and time, human perception, history, all these things have the potential to be altered severely (some would say damaged beyond repair) if humans should become aware that powerful godlike beings like fay exist in the world. We are bound to find out sooner or later, and I think that when we do discover fay exist things like aiming nuclear missiles at Avalon, putting fay on trial for treating humanity like their playthings, and the other things people have mentioned are likely to happen. :( Things may even lead to a war between the fay and humanity the like of which the world has never seen, and I'm not sure who would win such a conflict if it began. Therefore, I'm kind of divided on what should happen. Part of me says keeping the humans ignorant and the fay isolationist would truly be best for both species. At the same time, I know that we can't keep having such a situation. Besides, some fay (like Madoc and the Weird Sisters) are still going to meddle with humanity no matter what, and they need to be stopped if they haven't already been. Their actions are also of the sort that will lend itself to discovery sometime ahead. Therefore I am sure that the day when humans discover the fay exist and decide what to do about them can not be far off. This causes me to hope that humans and gargoyles can keep living peacefully together, so that we humans can come to tolerate difference more and be more willing to seek peaceful coexistence when it is revealed that the fay exist in the world. I also hope that good and wise fay such as Titania, Anubis, Coyote, Shiva (if this guy's a fay he'd be a good and wise one IMO, destruction being a part of nature and all that), etc. predominate on Avalon when the time comes for humans and fay to meet, so that the fay will pretty much realize our full potential and strength as a race and not be out to get us like so many of them have in the past. Then they'll be more willing to work with us too. :) Both of these will be needed very much for us to live together, because ideally humans must be willing to recognize the fay's right to exist and learn from them what they can, while fay must recognize humanity's right to determine its own destiny and be willing to deal with them not as superiors who will lord it over lesser races but as equals in potential if not power who are both living in the same world. :) I know in my ficverse, things will work out fine (helped along by gargoyle and dragon intermediaries negotiating peace between the races, and a war which will kill off 90% of the fay in the world, including most of the bad ones, and force the rest to depend on alliance with the remaining humans for their very survival as a species; humans will need the alliance for a similar reason of course), but in TGS or other ficverses, who can say? Oh well, it's really not my decision to make. I'm just one human, and a pretty insignificant one on a political scale at that. :( I just keep hoping the things I mentioned above and praying that when the time for the decision does come, cool and knowledgable heads in touch with reality on both sides prevail. :) As long as both races can find some way to be other than selfish and ignorant by choice (yes, Kaioto, this includes the fay abandoning their brattiness), everything should be fine.

Coyote: Glad you got the bios, looking forward to the next story. Thanks again for letting Kit and me know of your need. Good luck getting your energy back and dealing with the high level of work if it continues into the days ahead.

SOROW: Thanks for the hug, it was sorely needed. And for accepting the apology. Hope the need to give one doesn't come up again any time soon. :) Have fun in Austria. I too am wondering about Fang and Bronx in Dark Ages. Hope they both appear soon, or we at least find out what's up with the former. :)

Elian Gonzalez: Like a lot of people, I'm disgusted by how this kid is being used as a political monkey by both sides in the debate over him. Don't know how things should turn out, I've pretty much chosen not to worry about it and let someone else make the decision since someone else will anyway. :( Still, though, I hope things turn out okay for Elian, and that somehow he gets a good home. I try to concentrate on his fate because I've realized a disturbing fact about this situation- No matter what happens to the kid, we're going to come out of this with a dangerous enemy. It'll either be Cuba, worse than before, or the radical side of the Cuban-American community, who are very numerous and a lot closer to home. Either way, America's going to have problems with Cubans because of this. I won't pass judgement on it, but I think the situation is really being handled wrong. There's a lot of reasons why the kid should stay here and a lot of reasons why he should go back to his dad. Unfortunately a lot of people are choosing to forget those reasons, and yell to the rooftops that the decision is theirs to make and they're right (the Cubans in Miami are definitely doing this and so's the kid's father, I'm sorry to say). I don't know who's right, but I do know that right now we need someone impartial to make the right decision. They need to make it quickly, too, before things erupt too much. I just hope that when it is made it's the right decision for Elian and somehow allows him to return to the somewhat normal life he had before this mess started. <shakes head> If not, well, his life will continue to be ruined by papparazzi, Cubans or Cuban-Americans who insist on making him their hero, and other people who want to use him for their own minds. That is not a good life for anybody, especially not for a kid. <sighs> Given this perspective, I'm almost willing to send him back to Cuba, just so Elian can easily fade back into obscurity once the situation with him here is over and done. And yet, I still want him to stay here, because when judging America and Cuba, I'll always think America is a better place. <sighs again> May the decision be made quickly, and please, may it be right. <prayer>

Xander as Spiderman: I'm all for it, as I've said before. Yeah, it's unlikely since he's not seen as much of a heartthrob when next to Damon and diCrapio, but you never know, Nick Brendan might get a chance. Mostly I'm just hoping the Spiderman film gets the right director and script. Whoever's the star will probably do fine. Brendan's the best choice IMO, but whoever gets it I'll probably still see the movie as long as those two things are up to standard. (The supporting cast should also be good, of course. I've posted my picks for them before.)

Anne: Thanks for the feedback, I will try to keep the good work going. :) Kit and I haven't had a slumber party in a while, though there have been times we've considered it (they're a little harder to coordinate when you're our age :). Hope you enjoy yours.

Tim P: Hope your fanfic posting problems are resolved soon, along with the archive's other problems. I'll be looking forward to your next fic when it's posted (yes, I do read your stuff, sorry I haven't commented on it much in the past. It's quite good). Happy birthday, hope you enjoyed it a lot. :)

Pistoff: Thanks for the good fic advice, I've pretty much been taking it in the past few days. And the fic is going better, thankfully. :) I'll have it done soon. Thanks for the assurances about hate mail too, they made me doubly glad I didn't get any (and even more faithful that you're my friend :). Good comments, hope I sometime have the occasion to make ones of similar quality to you and other people (don't know if I will, everyone in here seems pretty knowledgable, but you can never be sure). Congrats on finding the good Internet service provider, and I look forward to your next fic whenever it comes out.

Coldsteel: I agree with a lot of David G's points about him, the guy does make a good villain and he has been underused. If he could stop worrying about envy, he'd be a serious problem for a lot of people. Of course, he'd stop being the evil gargoyle we know too. :) Personally, I think Coldsteel's two main problems are that he is unwilling to admit that he needs others, and that he is so convinced he's the smartest and best suited to just about anything gargoyle out there. This has caused him to constantly require a standard to measure himself against, and a person to prove he is better than (ie work against and betray). This limits his growth severely, and keeps him ignorant as well as a villain. I hope that in Dark Ages someone soon realizes his true nature and deals with things accordingly (social shunning of Iago by everyone would be best and is probably what's gonna happen :). In my ficverse, he'll continue to be bitter and selfish whether he's working with Thailog to secure a place for himself as something besides the Illuminati's flunky (what he's doing now), serving as Ras al'Ghul's minion (he'll be doing this in the future), playing Jafar to Jadriel's Sultan (Coldsteel will be doing this eventually too and probably get himself blasted out of existence once Jadriel realizes what kind of guy he is, their characters are similar but the dragon's a heck of a lot smarter :), or whatever. He'll probably be the same in TGS, whenever he comes back. Unlike Demona, there's unfortunately little chance that Coldsteel will EVER change his ways. :(

Christine: Sorry to hear Black Roses got rejected, good luck self-publishing it and your other books as I feel you probably must. Read Damien and liked it, there was a lot of great plot and character development. I can hardly wait to see Angela and Brooklyn's reactions to what Jerk-o did, and though I am REALLY enjoying what's happening with Jason I hope he is saved from being the Hunter before it's too late. Whatever happens, keep up the good work! :)

Robby: Changes to the CR? Hope they're not really big changes, the room is great the way it is now. <shrugs> I'll be watching and waiting, continuing to hope they're good.

Weekend Media: Good Batman Beyond episode this morning, though it did get a little predictable. It was fun watching Hapless Howard's troubles, hope he matures because of what happened (also liked the Max development, though not the lack of such on Terry and Bruce. Hope more comes in the next ep.) Pokemon was also good, though very predictable thanks to the hype Fox did over it. :( Enjoyed the new MIB most of all, because it had cool villains and commercials for Greg Weisman's new series Max Steel. Wish they'd told us more about it, but I look forward to when it comes out. :)

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR WEEKEND MOVIES**

Out of all the movies that came out this weekend, Kit and I only found two worth seeing. (Supernova we definitely won't be wasting our time on, and I can't remember the others just now.) They are Girl Interrupted and The Hurricane. Saw them both yesterday, and if anyone's wondering, yes, they were good! :) The Hurricane had action that was a little too easy to follow and predict, and it wasn't completely historically accurate, but nevertheless it had a great script, acting, and plot. Girl Interrupted was much better, with all the various elements that make a good movie (acting, script, plot, character development, direction, and so on) present in large quality. The acting was especially good, I think Winona Ryder deserved an Oscar for her work and Angelina Jolie was definitely good too (yeah, I know neither has acted especially well before, but this film really proves they have talent. Go see it now!). Emotion was tangible throughout the movie, too, and that made it even better, especially when one tries to get in touch with the characters and looks for lessons about life (Both movies succeeded at this, in fact- Hurricane with stuff we've heard a thousand times over that was still presented well once again, and Girl Interrupted with things that were innovative and new). I recommend everyone here go see both, especially the latter. Hurricane gets 8/10, Girl Interrupted 10/10, both thumbs up for both. Go see them, everyone, and enjoy! :)

**WEEKEND MOVIE SPOILERS END**

Okay, that's all for tonight. I'm going to go check out Becca's new fan site and then hit the sack. Will work more on "Dormant" tomorrow, along with all the other things I need to do before Tuesday. See y'all later, good night.

**RP AGAIN**

The screen flicks on again, this time displaying an office in the Los Angeles Fox Studios, where Jennifer Love Hewitt is arguing with her show's director. "The sports bra for my scene this afternoon is too small," she declares. "I need people to keep thinking I have a D cup. If it comes out I'm really a C, my fan base is dead and so is this show's. You know it and I know it, so deliver." The director nods. "Yes, ma'am. I'll get costumes on it at once. Anything else?" Jennifer nods, tapping her script. "There's too much stuff with Romy and Maguire in this next episode. Not enough with me. I thought the show was supposed to be about me." "It is," the director says, "but lately fans have been complaining..." "I don't care what they complain about! This is my show, not theirs!" "Yes, ma'am, but..." "But nothing. They're going to keep watching my show no matter what, we both know they are. So stop worrying about keeping them happy, worry about me! That's what your bosses want, you know. You want me to have you replaced?" "No ma'am," the director says quickly, rolling his eyes and trying to hide the gesture. "I'll tell the writers to switch things around." "Good," the selfish b&^ch starlet continues. "And another thing. What's this I hear about Scott Wolfe coming on the show for a while? I thought I was through with him, over, kaput." "Well, there are a lot of fans who want you back with him, since there was always such good chemistry between you two on Party of Five." "That was Party of Five! This is a different show! It will be different! Okay?" The director is about to answer when suddenly his secretary runs in screaming and collapses halfway, a bolt of static electricty hitting her in the back. Jennifer and the director leap to their feet, the latter stepping back as Bleach Man, Lint Man, Static, Socko, and Scrubber step into the room. "Jennifer Love Hewitt?" Bleach Man asks with a knowing smile, trying to keep his eyes from bugging out. "Yes," Jennifer says, "and who are you?" "He's your new hunk boy," Socko says, handing Bleach Man Asil's Love-ray gun (on which the polarity has just been reversed). "I think not!" Jennifer shouts. "I have a boyfriend who I'm quite happy with even if he is a shallow spineless..." She is cut off as Bleach Man zaps her in the chest. "I'm, uh, afraid you don't have any choice, lady," he chuckles as she slumps to the ground. "You are going to be mine!" Scrubber nods, and he and Lint Man scoop up Jennifer's body. "Don't interfere!" Static snaps at the scared-looking director, crackling electricity between his hands. "I'm not going to!" he shouts. "Just get her out of here, please!" "Happy to oblige, man," Socko says. "Let's go, BM." Bleach Man nods with a smile and they walk out. The director shakes his head after them. This is for the best, he thinks to himself. The show can be cancelled now, it was getting low ratings anyway. Hope we can bring back Action to replace it, I always liked that show. Peter Dragon and I have a lot in common. Hmm. He continues to think such thoughts and pray they come true as the screen goes blank.

**END RP (Note to Atilla and Green Baron- You were waiting for this. Hope you're ready to move when it's time. :)**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, January 16, 2000 01:27:11 AM
IP: pool-209-138-202-132-dlls.grid.net

Just stopped by before I get an early rest for work in the morning.

Sorrow-A trip? I'm jealous.

Wilek><<I've met normal people...>> Where I live it's kind of hard not to meet someone normal. Always saying "Why can't you act normal?" or "Why can't be like everyone else?"
Well I say "Forget that!" and as for the Galaxy Quest soundtrack I hope there is one, but I can't find it. Maybe I should try looking in music stores. ;)

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Sunday, January 16, 2000 01:16:02 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

We start them at an early age ... Becca now has her own fan site! All devoted to Lexington! Loads of pics. Way too many pics. I have been scanning all day. Drop on by at http://members.xoom.com/Sabledrake/beccalex.html or clickie-click!

Delphi > thanks, I thought it might be fun!

Michael > I love your stuff, so keep 'em coming! You really zinged Oberon in that last batch! And another comic strip will _not_ distress me! They're fantastic!

Christine
Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:21:30 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Oops...
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:17:40 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Xanathar> <<what I do know is that we'll have a new person to blame for all are Windows related problems. >;)>> Which in my case are surprisingly few. O_o

Thomas> Welcome! :D Hand in your sanity, enjoy the chaos, and stay clear of the alligators...

Christine> <<How about I just whomp up another batch of query letters and try again?>> All things considered, it's probably a good idea. ;) MageLore II auction> Kewl! ^_^

Simon> <<Actually, the planet is pronounced "Yer-uh-nuss", not like "Your anus". It's just so much more fun to say the latter, though. Like in this novel I read: "Man, what's up with you? You're like, on the moon today!" "Closer to Uranus." "WHAT?!!?">> <muhahahahaha> <<The one that lost (for being a Likely Country Song) was "I've Been On The Range For 45 Days And Those Cows Are Starting To Look Good".>> And I can see why it lost; I could have sworn I heard of one like that...<<All my friends are f**king idiots when it comes to this show. I can see the occasional quote cropping up in conversation, and I understand going to see it in costume when it comes to the Princess Theater downtown every couple years. But spending an entire lunch hour doing a two-person reenactment in the cafeteria, insisting it is the greatest movie of all time, and in short, making assholes of themselves over it is too much.>> Oi...that movie is fun to make fun of, and there's this one sound clip that's hilarious (Tim Curry: "What charming underclothes you both have"), but I will never, *never* understand what goes on at the theaters. When I see a movie, I don't like to be in the presence of ten thousand screaming maniacs doing sacrifices and 'audience participation'. <shudder> Cthulhu reference> <muhhahahaha> Ohh, I love this... <<Well, I've been on the computer way too long>> Too much of a good thing is still a good thing. 8)

Gside> MP3> COOL! 8D

Gyre> <<Anyone have an idea on what Meave's torture/punishment would be? Here's an idea, she locked in a dungeon with a mirror that shows nothing but Oberon's speeches.>> <L> That would drive *anyone* mad...I'm thinking something along the lines of an iron cheese grater. >8)
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:17:11 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Jannie> <>: That's what I wanted to say, but what is wrong?

Anne> sleepovers: That pretty much describes college dorm life. "It's 1:00, who wants to see Animal House again?" "Sure, call Jimmy's, I'll take eight wings." "Mike, put me down for a Fat Koko."

p.s. Fat Koko=Philly steak, mozzerella sticks, fries, and marinara sauce on a 6" roll. It's a Rutgers thing, started with a Fat Cat, and never stopped. Long live the Grease Trucks!
And yes, Mike is our official liason with Jimmy's.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, January 15, 2000 10:12:17 PM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

*delurks for a moment*

Anne> Yeah! I still do sleepovers, those are fun :) especialy the all night movie ones hehe

*presses the lurk button once more*
Bronx - [Bronx Wyvern4]
Saturday, January 15, 2000 10:02:40 PM
IP: spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com

Hi all! :) Just skimmed the CR posts and I'll comment more later (sleepovers...does anyone else do that still???) but I'll give congratulations to Sorow for going to Austria and happy birthday Tim P. ^_^ Bye all. :)
Anne
Saturday, January 15, 2000 09:45:04 PM
IP: 209-130-164-87.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Tim P> You could probably get about 32Meg for 70 bucks, that's about what I paid over at Fry's for the chips I have in my system...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Saturday, January 15, 2000 09:26:20 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-05.ultravision.net

Tim P. > Re: I was wondering how much computer RAM a person could buy with that. Any suggestions where I can buy some real cheap? >> Http://www.killerspp.com and http://www.pricewatch.com are the two *best* sources, they were highly recommended to me by my comp tech person.

XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Saturday, January 15, 2000 09:24:32 PM
IP: spider-to086.proxy.aol.com

Anyone have an idea on what Meave's torture/punishment would be? Here's an idea, she locked in a dungeon with a mirror that shows nothing but Oberon's speeches.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Saturday, January 15, 2000 08:18:03 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp37.fltg.net

Today was my birthday and I raked in about $70 bucks from my relatives so far. I was wondering how much computer RAM a person could buy with that. Any suggestions where I can buy some real cheap?
Tim P.
Saturday, January 15, 2000 07:52:18 PM
IP: s0-onawa.pionet.net

[Enters the room with a bunch of happy guys in red and pewter jerseys, with names like Sapp, King, Alstott, Lynch, and Dunn, as cannons roar and the red flags fly...]

Sorry to toot my bugle, folks... but I can't resist!

BUCS WIN!!! BUCS WIN!!! BUCS WIN!!!

We are in the NFC Final game, and are going to face either the Vikings or Rams next week! Can you feel it!? We're in the best season ever, and all we need to do is get by one more game and the Bucs will be where they've never been before... DA BIG BOWL!!! :) <High-fives Coyote!> YEAH!!!

We now return you to your usual CR madness...

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, January 15, 2000 07:27:26 PM
IP: m3.ieway.com

Gside> "Veni, vidi, scribi" I came, I saw, I wrote ?
Jannie
Saturday, January 15, 2000 07:26:19 PM
IP: 196-227.c.esc4.net

Christine>Oh, these cartoons were some stuff I had right then and I thought you might like to see them...for Avalon Mists, I planned another comic strip...;)(and maybe some more action figures)(but of course, if you wanna use the toons I sent you, I don't mind)
Michael - [michael_heitz@bluewin.de]
Saturday, January 15, 2000 06:53:24 PM
IP: fwi-cip96.wiwi.uni-karlsruhe.de

okay, I'm now one more day closer to my vacation, tic toc tic toc......

spike>> great pic of becca and lex

Christine>> cool idea auctioning off parts in your book

Kaito>> loved the michael/oberon bit, of course- I couldn't get the picture of John Travolta out of my mind during that scene LOL

well I'll check back later

Pissy>> did the email make it???
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, January 15, 2000 06:48:59 PM
IP: twin58ww.magiclink.com

For those who don't know, this was posted in the other CR:
<<Just a brief announcement -- Gargoyles: The Reunion Guestbook is now up and running. I'd like to ask everyone to stop by
and leave a note ("I was here!" is perfectly fine!) ... I'd like to see how many fans are really out there. Add your name to the list
of fans ... :)

BTW site has had a TON of hits -- 314 the first week.

I'd also like to encourage everyone to stop and cast your vote for the fandom awards ... you don't have to vote in every
category if you're not familiar with all the categories.

Thanks!

*heads off to go do battle with Flash*
Leva
Saturday, January 15, 2000 04:11:39 PM
IP: 208-48-174-76.nas-2.scf.primenet.com >>
Followed by the link http://www.firefox.org/reunion/

Latin question: I just found an error in my little snippet, can you find it? "Veni, vidi, scribi"

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, January 15, 2000 06:10:23 PM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Will the Gargoyles, TGS stories be starting up this fall, like the Dark Ages started up last fall? Will the series begin before the fall?
Anonymous
CA
Saturday, January 15, 2000 04:19:28 PM
IP: spider-wd084.proxy.aol.com

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Anonymous
CA
Saturday, January 15, 2000 04:16:33 PM
IP: spider-wd084.proxy.aol.com

I was going through mp3.com today, and found something that might interest you people. Check my link.

Mrs. Morgan> <<higher recognition factor>>: Well, yeah, but I'll still root for the underdog.

Simon> <<music up to 10>>: Pump it up to 11!
<<Well, I've been on the computer way too long>>: Impossible. Completely impossible.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, January 15, 2000 03:04:37 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Oh, yeah: updates on my page. Go see.
Simon
Saturday, January 15, 2000 02:55:11 PM
IP: pppa81.connect.ab.ca

** Simon walks in, Radiohead's "Lucky" playing way too loud. **

I love being home alone... you can play your music up to 10 on the stereo and nobody complains. :-)

Bill Gates: I say good for him. If I were in his position, I'd want to go back to coding, too. All that money could get kinda boring. :-)

SOROW> Going to Austria, eh? Congratulations! You'll have fun; it's a very nice country (have picture books of it... pretty....)

Wilek> ["Ah well, there's always Uranus. No one goes to Uranus. >;)"] Heh-heh. Actually, the planet is pronounced "Yer-uh-nuss", not like "Your anus". It's just so much more fun to say the latter, though. Like in this novel I read:

"Man, what's up with you? You're like, on the moon today!"
"Closer to Uranus."
"WHAT?!!?"

I heard the kewlest song yesterday on MP3.com: "Hating Ricky Martin" by the Anarchy Steering Committee. :-) It contains such great lines as "He's George Michael with a goatee" and "When God was ladling out raw animal sexuality from the genetic stockpot, Ricky Martin pushed me aside and took two portions. I want mine back." Go to mp3.com, click on "Comedy", and find the song; it's only 900K. You will love it, I promise.

Jannie> ["...she said, 'because management tells me to'."] The sheer irony of this is she probably doesn't know WHY management is telling her to. o_O

Pissy> ["...the song's called 'Jesus is Gonna Whup your Heathen Ass.'"] **shrieks, and laughs his ass right off** Oh, God, I can so totally see that. I was watching Whose Line Is It Anyway? the other night, and they had "Unlikely Country Songs". Titles were along the lines of (these are fake... I think): "My Woman Stayed True And I'm Sober", "I Can't Wait To Go To Harlem", "I Have Too Many Shotguns", etc. The one that lost (for being a Likely Country Song) was "I've Been On The Range For 45 Days And Those Cows Are Starting To Look Good". :-D ["Rocky Horror Picture Show: Without a doubt one of the worst films I've ever seen."] <RANT>You too, eh? All my friends are f**king idiots when it comes to this show. I can see the occasional quote cropping up in conversation, and I understand going to see it in costume when it comes to the Princess Theater downtown every couple years. But spending an entire lunch hour doing a two-person reenactment in the cafeteria, insisting it is the greatest movie of all time, and in short, making assholes of themselves over it is too much. Especially over a 1970s B-movie that SUCKED. It SUCKED!</RANT>

Cthulhu fans: BIG IMPORTANT COOLIES! Click my name for the funniest Cthulhu reference I've ever seen... www.penny-arcade.com/index.html has the story behind the strip. *LOL*

SJ> ["Xander....is....Spider-Man!"] I don't think so, only because we're not that lucky. :-) I love Nicholas Brendan, but seeing as how he never made heartthrob status (damn David Boreanaz) he won't pull in the un-freakin'-believably huge 12�17-year-old girl demographic. Maybe. ["BTW, do any of you teenage girls actually read those things?"] Hell, man, _I_ read those things sometimes. They're fascinating! (It's mostly for reference: there's a "how my boyfriend was the most romantic guy ever" section that's great for tips, and the quizzes are hilarious.)

Well, I've been on the computer way too long, I'd better go. See you guys on Monday!

** walks out, music still way loud **
Simon - [karmacop@curtain.cjb.net]
Pull me out of the aircrash, pull me out of the lake, I'm your superhero...
Saturday, January 15, 2000 02:53:35 PM
IP: pppa81.connect.ab.ca

Kyryn: Many, many thanks for the requested into. :)
Static-Pulse
Saturday, January 15, 2000 02:00:25 PM
IP: ppp14-pool1b.sel.zebra.net

Thomas> Well, hello. I need to keep in touch with you until the summer so I can find out cool stuff about Austria.
SOROW
Saturday, January 15, 2000 12:42:59 PM
IP: dll2a010-0214.splitrock.net

Gside > higher recognition factor ; )

Wilek > Hmm ... on consideration, I think I'll pass on going clear to New Jersey to nail roadkill to someone's door ... ; ) How about I just whomp up another batch of query letters and try again?

OFF-TOPIC BLATANT MONEY-GRUBBING SCHEME ALERT!!!!!
As a fundraiser to help with the costs of self-publishing MageLore Book II, we are going to have a little auction.

Yes, folks, your name can appear in Dark of the Elvenwood! You too can be a citizen of the glorious city-state of Thanis!

I've got four bit parts, two gents and two ladies (all human), and the auction winners will have their names and likenesses used for those characters!

More details pending as we work out how we're going to handle the auction end (ie -- soon as I make Tim do all the work). But a quick peek at the lineup shows that we have available:
1. (Male) -- one of the Highlord's own Guardsmen who will face a loathsome beastie while investigating a crucial murder.
2. (Male) -- a scribe who takes down the confession of the dastardly Lord Marl.
3. (Female) -- Archmage Talus Yor's lovely and luscious date for an evening at the Highlord's Palace.
4. (Female) -- a midwife working at the Temple of Talopea, who delivers Sybil's new baby.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, January 15, 2000 09:43:22 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

SOROW--
Well well, an american is comming to austria, wish you good luck on your trip :)
Gunjack Valentine--
Sorry, no lederhose :)
Thomas - [m9535047@unileoben.ac.at]
Leoben, Steiermark, AUSTRIA
Saturday, January 15, 2000 08:54:48 AM
IP: goehheim1.unileoben.ac.at

Hi all!!

Jaden:<<Well just like Dennis Miller said when he refered to Gates as the rich man alive..."Yeah but is he happy? He is? Aw S**t!>>*LOL*:)

Wilek:<<:O Wow...hadn't heard about that...I wonder who'll replace him?>>I don't know,but what I do know is that we'll have a new person to blame for all are Windows related problems. >;)

Robby:<<CHANGES ARE COMING TO THE CR! WATCH FOR THEM!>>Hmm,Fire Storm mentioned this a while ago,I can't wait to see what you guys have been doing. :)

C'yas'later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Saturday, January 15, 2000 08:03:42 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

**RP!**

[Pinhead: "What could you possibly have to offer us?" Shaftiel: "An ally against Deavik, and a library full of forgotten knowledge." Pinhead: "Indeed...?" Shaftiel: "Indeed. Many of the souls in the Forest Of Suicides put themselves there because they learned things they couldn't live with. Mystical, evil things. Things that could jeapordize Deavik's plans to overthrow the Grand Council and take over Hell. My employer, Baphomet, records these things in our library, which Deavik has tried time and again to destroy before this knowledge could be used against him. We are among the most valuable repositories of ancient knowledge in the Three Planes, and we will be willing to share it with you if you offer us protection from Deavik's hordes." Pinhead thinks for a moment, clearly tempted by the demon knight's deal. Pinhead: "I have a better offer: We will help you utterly obliterate Deavik and all his allies." Shaftiel: "What...? How is that possible?" Pinhead: "Someday soon, a group of powerful warriors will be arriving here from the mortal world. Deavik has designs upon their world as well, and together, we intend to destroy all those who would bring chaos to Hell's order. You and your master will prove valuable allies..."]

**END**

Xanathar> <<Guys,I just heard that Bill Gates has stepped down as head of Microsoft(in that He's quit as CEO)>> :O Wow...hadn't heard about that...I wonder who'll replace him?

Zath> DC Death> :O <applause> <<Wouldn't that require making a lot of clones of yourself and then slaughtering them? ; )>> Interesting idea...hehehehe <<You're upset you're not getting enough snow?>> I'm upset we're not getting ANY snow. There have been perhaps two pathetic little flurries of snow since winter started, and neither was even enough to cover the ground. :/ <<I'm upset it's cool enough for me to need a light jacket when I go outside, but then most people say I'm a reptile who would only be happy living on the sun. : )>> I'm the exact opposite--I prefer cold weather. Not sure why... <<Why don't you get a bayonet? Then you could have the best of both world, ripping and slashing coupled with shooting and splattering....>> Or better, a Final Fantasy 8-style gunblade. 8)

Static Pulse> Where have you been anyhow? :P Welcome back! :D

Gside> <<Assuming it can't alter neuclei, the Matrix is whatever-based, because I takes whatever materials are at hand "grow".>> Interesting...I always thought it consumed whatever was at hand and converted it into building materials for the manufacture of more nanites? <<Yes, but how thick does it need to be? One atom? It could electroplated.>> I doubt a single-atom layer of iron would be much good against Fey magic. It'd probably have to be at least a millimeter.

Christine> <<the agent returned Black Roses with a rejection letter. I said bad words and got depressed.>> Next time you're rejected, try nailing a dead animal to the publisher's door. They might be a little more cooperative if they think you'll do the same thing to them. >;)

Robby> <<CHANGES ARE COMING TO THE CR! WATCH FOR THEM!>> Any word on when? :)

SOROW> Austria> Kewl. ^_^

Kaioto> Oberon/Michael scene> <evil laugh> Ohh, how I like this...

Jaden> <<does anyone know if there's a Galaxy Quest soundtrack?>> The movie? Probably; every movie that comes out nowadays has one (including the Blair Witch Project, oddly enough). Try www.borders.com; if anyone has it, they will (they even had the Young Frankenstein soundtrack, which I didn't even know existed). :) <<I've found that normal is rather boring.>> You as well? >:) 'Normal' stinks. I've met normal people, and I NEVER want to be normal...
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, January 15, 2000 03:44:19 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

****RP!!!****
"Oh I swear!" Jaden rants as he walks down an empty corridor. "Do they have ANY idea how long it takes to get vomit out of fur! This is worse than the time at that party, and I drank floor cleaner. Well, this should be far enough." He then pulls out a small remote. <snife> <snife> "I hope I don't blow-up all the showers." With an evil grin he presses the button.
****END RP!!!****

Nuke the Fae- Um no. I don't think so. First of all it would be just plain wrong and second if there were survivors I don't think humanity would last very long. I mean they can change reality at will. Think Dark City on a really large scale. Now you see missles, now you don't.

Galaxy Quest-BTW does anyone know if there's a Galaxy Quest soundtrack?

Pistoff><<The marvels of modern technology, eh?>> I'm sure someone somewhere must have said "opps". ;)

Wilek><<Don't know what would make them think that...>> I know, it's like they think someone is weird just because they act different than most other people. Maybe they are just scared that if they don't act like "normal" people a bunch of strangers that they will never meet might think less of them. I don't know call me crazy, weird I've found that normal is rather boring.

Gates stepping down- Well just like Dennis Miller said when he refered to Gates as the rich man alive..."Yeah but is he happy? He is? Aw S**t!

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Saturday, January 15, 2000 02:28:06 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

The Revered Mrs. Morgan> Just finished pt. 1. Very good!
So, why not Ismene? Just because she didn't get her own play?

Random idea for a filk: Transforming "The W. S. Walcott Medicine Show" by The Band to "The Sevarius Medicine Show"

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, January 15, 2000 02:21:50 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

<<Since we bring up all kinds of topics in here....I just wanted to bring up that little Cuban boy we've all been hearing about in the news. Kind of to bring in some current events into the room. I was wondering how the folks in here viewed the whole matter. Should Elian be allowed to stay here in the United States, or should he be sent back to Cuba? Personally, I feel he should stay. This is a matter of doing what's best for the child. Which is better--to have him reunited with his surviving parent, or to let him stay in a free society? Personally, I feel it's a no-brainer, but there are many who feel he should leave. His mother died to bring him here; should her death be in vain just so he can live with his biological father?
I feel his situation is yet another incident in a rather disturbing trend of isolationism. This child, as well as anyone who desires a better life here, deserves a chance to come to this country and succeed. Cause like I've said before--even though we as Americans are not free of problems, we're still a better place to live than a country like Cuba.>>

Immigration law is very clear on this subject. The boy should return to his father. It was written specificly to avoid these kind of custody battles. The only reason this issue has come up is because Elian is from Cuba...

What I think isthe worst element of this story is the fact that the Cuba Expatriate community in Miami has turned the boy into a pawn of their political manuvering. Of all the people involved I blame them most of all for using this boy. Arguably if it wasn't for their loudmouthed decrying of the child's need/right to stay in this country, Cuba would not have become involved. They don't really give a sh*t about the kid's welfare, just how many photo ops and soundbites his story generates for the Expats. Every one from that stupid judge who filed that illegal injunction to have the child remain to the US Senator who has subpena'd the boy to sit before a Senate comittee are just using him to grab a bit of the limelight. I think it is dispicable and I want to slap every new face I see associated with the story....

Skippy The Klingon
Saturday, January 15, 2000 01:31:08 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-48.ultravision.net

Zath: I will agree that part of the general fear of the Fay comes from their place on the food chain. I would also make a point, however, that from my perspective at least, the distinction between Fay and Humans and Gargoyles over animals comes from our races having Sentience. Killing a sentient creature, be it Fay, Gargoyle, or Human, is a far cry different than killing a cow. An elf eating a human is NOT remotely the same as a human eating a cow. The cow is not Sentient. More importantly (from the religious mode) being non-sentient, the cow does not have a soul, while humans, gargoyles, and Fay would qualify.

Fay play reality-altering games with the lives of other sentient beings, and that is an abomination. It is usually deplorable when humans do it to each other, let alone factoring in ~ magic ~ and total immunity to accountability.

They also sometimes treat humans and gargoyles in ways that the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals wouldn�t allow a man to treat a dog.

Wilek> <<There would be, if there were actually a good and fair king occupying the throne in place of that idiot Oberon... >> I think Oberon is just another Fay, and thusly must be held accountable to a higher power. In my mind, that would be God. In some of my own writings I invented nice little ways for the Celestial Powers that Be to hold the reality altering elves in check. Not the least of which are mortal paladins. For references on this, see GURPS basic rules for level 5 magic resistance and level 5 strong will. Add in a blessing for heroic feats, some unpleasant weaponry, and a general fanatical disposition, and you have a demon-slayer/elf-hunter type character in the making. Not too far fetched in a world where Puck can turn all of Manhattan into Gargoyles. Pretty tame if you think about the biblical YHWH flooding the Earth and turning cities into dust and wicked men into pillars of salt. I mean hell, I�d find it very amusing if Oberon came home from �The Gathering� episode to this.

**scene opens after �The Gathering� to the throne room of Avalon, empty and abandonned.**
A shrouded figure sits on the Throne of Avalon, obscured in darkness.

�Who dares occupy my throne in my absence? If this be a jest, it be in poor taste and poorer sense. This insult shall not be borne �� Oberon stalks towards the throne angrily.

The being in the throne begins to radiate a faint aura of white light himself, making his white feathery wings apparent as he parts them. A very annoyed looking Archangel Michael sits atop Oberon�s throne, toying with a sword. �Oh, do be quiet. I�m here on the business of messages, and it is your place to listen.�

Oberon stands, fuming but shuts his mouth.

�Didn�t we have this discussion about interference after the whole Atlantis incident?� Michael begins, raising an eyebrow.

**Over the next hour Oberon stands there, muted and rendered completely immobile while the Archangel drones on and on scolding him and threatening to confine him to various unpleasant places in the underworld should he again violate the directive of non-interference.**

�I mean ~ really ~,� Michael concluded in an exasperated tone, �If you are going to be king, you are going to have to lead by example,� a slight hint of menace touched his voice for the first time in the entire hour, �Or be made an example of. Have I made my Master�s message perfectly clear?�

�Crystal,� Oberon forces out through clenched teeth.

�Good,� Michael says as he steps down off the throne and cuts a shining rift in the fabric of space and time with his sword blade. �I don�t want to have to come back here again for this,� he adds, pausing before he exits. �You are lucky no one was severely injured in this whole ugly incident, or there would be hell to pay, literally.� With that, Michael the Archangel steps through the portal and disappears, and all is like he had never been .

Except for Oberon, who is unfit to live with for at least a week afterwards, throwing tantrums the like of which Avalon had not seen in years.

**end useless scene**

Gargs and intelligence.

You know, intelligence itself is usually defined mostly by a capacity to learn knowledge-based skills and retain information. Lexington does indeed show perhaps the greatest capacity for assimilating new knowledge.

As for Iago and Thailog, I�ve never seen a game-system where built-in information and skills either from wet-ware or mental programming counted as the actual attribute of intelligence. The are certainly knowledge, but they don�t define a capacity to learn, process, or assimilate new information. Thailog does seem to learn a bit more than he was programmed, enough to manipulate Xanathos. Iago was never given enough depth or time to evaluate, especially outside of The Goliath Chronicles (ICK :P).

Demona has had 1000 years to have a butt load of information and learning basically beaten into her by life. That doesn�t necessarily make her more intelligent, just more experienced and knowledgeable. Her capacity to learn isn�t really demonstrated that much in the series because of that extended time frame and her access to large amounts of assets and tech-support. In Dark Ages, Demona exhibits a lot more obvious intelligence, however. She obviously isn�t stupid as she can complete many complex mental tasks, but that doesn�t make her an Einstein.

I would note, however, that Lexington rebuilt a helicopter from scrapped bits and manuals after less than a year fresh out from the 900s. That�s freaking Einstein material, or at least Jiffy-lube ^_^. Lexington also displays an ability to handle concepts like computers and invention very well, which indicates incredible intelligence rather than just mechanical aptitude.

Wits, tactics, wisdom, insight, and intuition are all generally left separate from the intelligence attribute in most RPGS. While intelligence might make it easier for you to learn tactics or accumulate knowledge, tactics and knowledge did not automatically make you intelligent.

When in doubt, see GURPS.

"Budda's Ass! I ~ REALLY ~ hate elves!!"

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Saturday, January 15, 2000 01:28:41 AM
IP: 1cust110.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

SOROW> Fang: Nah, he hasn't been forgotten, they're just waiting to get around to Bad Guys. (I think)

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, January 15, 2000 12:32:17 AM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Sorry, one more.

Spike> I've just finished "Deep In the Heart" and I'm still reading your stuff. You are a goddess! I LOVE your work!
SOROW
Saturday, January 15, 2000 12:22:06 AM
IP: dll2a010-0313.splitrock.net

Great news: My parents said as long as I work really hard to pay for this trip, I can go! I'M GOING TO AUSTRIA THIS SUMMER! SEE THE WORLD! GET IN TROUBLE! YES, YES, YES!

Coyote> I know that I'm going to have to sell about a million boxes of candy. Whee, my ass :)

Kit> I *wish* I could take my sweetie, but from the schedule they sent us...we have a whole two minutes to ourselves. The entire week is planned already by the day. But it'll be worth it! It *was* a good idea, though.

Gunjack> Okay, I'll remember to do that. I'll be in Austria and think to myself, "Self, you absolutely HAVE to get Gunjack Leederhosen or he'll just cry." ;P Man, I love you.

Xanathar> Thanks, it's going to be an awfully lot of work.

delphi> Thanks. I'm really excited!

Question about TGS....
How long has it been since Fang ran away? I think he's been forgotten.

Question about Dark Ages....
When does Bronx hatch? I have been hoping to hear about him as of late.

I have to work tomorrow, so I'm off to bed. Love ya.
SOROW
Saturday, January 15, 2000 12:20:46 AM
IP: dll2a010-0313.splitrock.net

Hi all
Jannie>> 80 degrees, send some of that my way it was only 29 degrees this morning here!

Sorrow>> wow Austria congrats
Pistoff>> glad you found a new ISP, hope it works out better, and thanks for the support- I'm trying to send you an email again let me know if you get it.

well catch you all next time
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, January 15, 2000 12:02:56 AM
IP: twin58l.magiclink.com

Wondering> Official answer: It's coming, ask the staff.
Real answer: We don't know, and the staff isn't telling.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, January 14, 2000 11:56:47 PM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Anyone know when the TGS series of Gargoyles will start up again?
Wondering
Friday, January 14, 2000 11:17:56 PM
IP: spider-to057.proxy.aol.com

I'm still here, I've just been too busy to post. But I've been reading everything and keeping track, I still know whats going on... As for WHAT'S been keeping me busy, I'd rather keep that a secret until a little bit later when its closer to completion...

Oh, and...

VISIT STATION 8'S CR! WE ALMOST KNOW ALL OF THE ARTHURIAN SURVIVORS NOW!

and also...

CHANGES ARE COMING TO THE CR! WATCH FOR THEM!
Robby
Friday, January 14, 2000 10:24:46 PM
IP: spider-wm067.proxy.aol.com

My whole point was that the fey as a whole must realize that mortals are not their play things. To continue to treat them as such risk setting something in motion that could come back to haunt them. I mentioned nukes as a possibility as a concession to the fey's power. If you were going to take your shot, make it your best, because one in all probabilty is all you would have. There, I've had my say.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, January 14, 2000 08:54:40 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp49.fltg.net

Jenna- ER!!*is sorry for the double post* er..forgot to post this one sorry!

yes, I agree with you on some levels..but I guess its just a matter of opinions...to me its like, Thailog knew the captiol of Vermont not cuz he 'learned it' but cuz Xantos' programmed him to know. You are right though. It is all a matter of genetics and it would be unfair to compare any character in that event. But we all know that. We have basically narrowed it down to 'adaptaion' which also narrows it down to 'technology in this century'. We could have thrown in a whole pile of variables..*L* but that would have REALLY been complex. You are correct though. What I was saying was that it is unfair to compare something that came fresh out the tube with lots of info to someone who was born with no info and learned through life experience..in that way he is too different to compare with the others IMO. *hugs you also for writing to her;)*
Lexy
Friday, January 14, 2000 07:50:34 PM
IP: 98c9c9d1.ipt.aol.com

Jannie- Yes, And if you read again I did mention that. His manipulation is on a WHOLE nuther level and so is Demona's..but my point was that it is easy to do if you have been practicing for your whole life! *L* but thanks for your responses:) *makes her feel speical* I just love when ppl comment!;D!
Lexy
Friday, January 14, 2000 07:43:37 PM
IP: 98c9c9d1.ipt.aol.com

Jannie- Hugz, hang in there Mama fox and watch for an em from me this weekend. Lots of love..
jenna
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:26:11 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Lexy> good argument and points...however, while I don't wish to debate who is the most intelligent of the characters, I do wish to comment about your statement concerning manipulation. True, the simplest form of manipulating is easily done and we all do it to some degree thru out our lives, whether we really intend to or not. However, one must be extremely clever to be able to pull off manipulation beyond just wanting a cookie or pursuading a friend to see the movie you want to see. The scariest forms of manipulation are the ones who can use you and you never even suspect that you've been manipulated. They know just the right things to say, the exact timing, the false acts of concern and at the same time - they make perfect sense and you cannot find fault in whatever they are saying - even though you also know that it's not in your best interest. These people are clever, smooth, and precise. They can also be very dangerous. There's no age mimimum on a *good* manipulator and the older they become, the better they get at it. Also, a manipulator is as good as people allow them to be ;) I've seen some that have mastered the art of manipulation and it makes me shudder to see how they control those around them.

Thanks to all with the get well wishes. I think I'm going to be able to walk amongst the living now :) Still have some days of recovery ahead of me, but I think I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now.

To top it off.... my daughter showed up needing money for rent and groceries. I'll tell more later when I'm feeling up to it. *deep sigh*
Jannie
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:23:35 PM
IP: 196-086.c.esc4.net

Lexy- whew! What a comment :P -- Thailog's intelligence seems legit to me. Yes it is programmed, but so is the genetic structure of everyone. Cloning/artifical programing seeks to imitate nature, so it seems to me to be contradictory to accept that on a genetic level some people are more intellgent than others, but a clone who is similarly programed is discounted.
jenna
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:14:27 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

What a day was yesterday!
Bad News -- the agent returned Black Roses with a rejection letter. I said bad words and got depressed.
Good News -- royalty check from Sterling House!
Interesting News -- got much info from the self-publisher we're considering using for MageLore Book II.

New on my site --
Damien Part One: Atonement (mature eyes only). Those of you who don't like Jericho will want to give this one a miss, he's not getting killed quite yet! ; )
Many new pics! A couple of you-know-who (as always <g>), one of Dee as a grown-up (inspired by something I wrote in AvMists, apparently), and a bunch on the Obi-Wan is Hot page.
Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Spike > Here's what Becca said when I showed her:
"Who's th ... that's ME!!! Me on Lex!!!" ::squeal::
So now she wants me to make her a Lex page like my Obi-Wan page, my project for the weekend. Thank you; you totally made her day!

Pistoff > ::re: editors:: I know :P It just is not fair!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:10:24 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Wilek- Are you saying you can? *L* I know that is how..but..see I dont have a page and cant really make one right now. I also dont know how to post links even if I could in the first place. I was just wondering if anyone out there would allow me to humbly send them the sound bite so that they may post it for all to hear:) thanks for the post though *hugs*

Anyone??? EM ME!!! :D
Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:10:05 PM
IP: 98ad019d.ipt.aol.com

Gargoyles intelligence debate- I'm going to have to beg to differ. I don't think Coldsteel is that smart at all. The only two things he has to stand on are being a minipulative Jerk off and using the Coldstone body to his advantage. But lets look at both those points. Being minipulative insn't a cake walk to be sure, but it sertainly isn't _THAT_ hard either. Hell, I know I could do it if I tried. I KNOW I HAVE done it and so has anyone else..heck two year olds even know that trick. I.E make mom and dad feel bad and get that cookie, or cry your brains out and make grandma forget about that plate you broke, or even at an older age telling your mom or dad its too COLD to go out side and rake leaves and isn't it _wrong_ to have you doing that when you could be doing your homework? Even a DOG for crying out loud can whine its head off and get a bone *L* For this reason I don't think that makes Iago very smart. He is ofcourse on a whole new level of trickery..but lets be real here..the guy has been devoting his _life_ to this, its not really that big a deal. Any junki off the street, child, or animal can preform this trick with a lil practice and baby this guy has had a lifetime of it!
Second point, he used the Coldstone body against its own inhabitance and keeps himself alive against both Desdemona and Othello. Well , lets check these out as well. True, he did catch on to using the body well and fast..but..didnt the others do the same? If you ask me seeing that the body is practically part of all of them, and the were constantly in it, shouldnt it be something you just get used to? And that whole attempt to get Desdemona wasnt just his deal, Xanatos had done goodness knows what with the programming, and even though Iago was smart enough to use that to get what he wanted, he certainly wasnt smart enough to play his cards right. He was more interested in getting at Desdemona as usuall instead of just crushing his enimies and getting on with it. That to me shows that he is just another jerk with a lil more then average brains learning things only if it aids his own sick on-going crusade to score with a chick that has told him "NO WAY" pretty clearly. And you would think that with both Othello and Desdemona there they could have put a stop to him together right? Well, remember what they once said? Othello asked, "Why wont he leave us in peace?" and Desdemona replied, "Let him lurk, he no longer has the power to come between us." The power being that whole deal with "oooh Goliath wants your girlfriend." A couple of points here. For one I dont think they really cared. At that point they really were just overjoyed to have found eachother once again and too hell with that annoying guy. Second..a good question is..could they have killed him even if they wanted to? I mean, the Coldstone body is composed of all three of their bodies..if one dies while they were connected..could the others still function? *shrugs* I dont know for sure..but I were them..and _I_ didnt know for sure..I probably wouldnt mess with things ya know? I mean.. think about it from Coldstones point of view? His body was banged up as it is. That and Gargs dont usually kill eachother unless it is a VERY good reason. Being an annoying SOB isnt one of those reasons. I think they figured they would just have to deal with him like they always have untill he did something they could really stop him for doing. It is true he isnt dumb, and it is true he has potential, and it is true he didnt get a lot of plugs. I'm am even posistive that if we had seen later episodes he would have learned more of computers and used them as his next tool to get his grimy lil talons on Desdemona....or perhaps now he's just out for revenge? *shrugs* Kinda makes you wonder why a jerk like that wasnt banished long ago ya know? I mean..with only 30 to 40 members in a clan that could get pretty annoying dont ya think? *shrugs*
Asrial cant reallly be counted since she was only given life due to the fandom. With Demona it is hard to tell. There are A LOT of ways to judge intelligence..but it seems that for the most part we have been looking at adaptation and that involves a lot to do about computers in such. In which case one could argue that Demona is very smart. She works with comps all the time in her business and in dealings with the Garg's. But then again as someone pointed out..is she pushing all the buttons or is she just using her acumulation of wealth to hire help or even buy one to meny "Computers For Dummies" books? *L* Well, Im sure after all the time shes had, she probably does know a thing or two about comps that say Goliath dosn't. But how quick was she? We dont know. I would like to put in for her defese though that she was the Archmage's apprentice. Magic isnt just waveing your hands and bla'ing in latin, she had to be cleaver to some extent or the Archmage just simply wouldnt put up with her to begin with. And if you wanna talk about minipulative behavior! She has shown more then enough that she can pull that off without a hitch, partly cuz we, (and the characters on the show) have known her for a long time and know she has been through a lot. She's just a lil insane;) Anyway, putting all the time shes had and her money aside, She is a pretty smart cookie.
Thailog has an edge on everyone simply cuz he wasnt exactly 'born' dumb. This guy had all his smarts installed on him. His intelligence is quite evident but its hard to really call him 'smart' seeing as how he didnt earn any of it. I mean..look at the other clones? It is all in the programming really. If he had been made to be dumb..hed be dumb..it just so happens he has been 'blessed' with all of Xanatos' business intelligence, Goliath's strong body, and enough of Xanatos' underhandedness to snatch up a good amount of his own creators cash which definatly helps him out. To really determine 'smart' as far as adapting to surroundings you have to be able to adapt..which brings up the whole argument..can the clones adapt? Or are the given what they are given when created and thats pretty much how far they go? We assume that the clones Derek is watching will learn to communicate more and mabey even learn to read..but Greg has already told us that their primary programming still has the ultimate say. I.E- Thailog comes back and their back to "must obey Thailog" mode. In that event..one could argue that since whatever they learn can be dusted in an instant..it is their basic programming that is in control. And if that is so..then it is kinda unfair to put them in any kind of 'adaptaion' contest cuz they arnt really on the same level that say Demona, Lexington, or Iago are. So lets just say that Thailog is smart..but its programmed smarts and thus..he isnt eligible to be considered.
Last we come to Lexington. Lex has a lot of problems dealing with emotions and basic social situations. That in itself shows that he is on the childish side. I just wanted to get that out so knowone would think I am being partial. Im not. Part of the reason I like Lex so much is his clever mind. But Lex isnt really like Demona or Thailog or Iago, (yet) *wont get her butt in a sling over that one;)* All of the above has some insane motivation that drives them to do what they do..and to do what they do effectivly they must learn to adapt. Lex on the other hand, while he does use his smarts to aid the clan when he can, mostly just does what he does..well for fun. He likes what he does, he would be tinkering away weather it helped the clan or not. He likes to learn new things and therefor has a very open mind. That is what allows him to learn so fast, hes not forcing himself or doing it for someone or something, he is doing it purly for fun. Let us also remember that he is younger then all the others mentioned. What he has adapted to so far has took him only a few years. He still has meny more to go (hopfully!) meaning that he has the potential to do a WHOLE lot more with himself..will he? *shrugs* probably not. Again, he likes what he does..but is getting more and more into it purly cuz theres nothing else to do. Most likely when he gets more involved with the clan, and with a family he will have other things that are more important. We tend to think that technology is a part of Lex that just cant be removed from him. Its just not so. It is his hobby, and hes damn good at it. But if he had to, he could take it or leave it..come on ..someone tell me RIGHT NOW that if he had a choice between a loving mate and hatchlings he wouldnt take them over his laptop? Lex does what he wants to, when he wants to with comps. As far as intelligence in adapting to the years technology I would say he is the quickest out of Demona and Iago. Since Asrial isnt from the show persay, and Thailog was a programmed clone. Demona had A LOT of time to accumulate what knowledge she has..but shes still pretty smart. So I would put her second. I think that if Her and Lex had a battle of the comps they would be pretty even matched. But if we put Lex at Her age now and start it off from there I dont think Lex would lose. Iago I would put in third for the gargs we know of so far because of his dealings with the Coldstone body he was thrown head first into todays technology and thats going to help him a lot.

*shrugs* well anywhoo..this was a REALLY fun debate and I'm open to anyone who is reading this right now and wants to punch me one *smiles* I love a good debate! It gets me so hyper;) I know I KNOW!! I love lex and so this means nothing..*shrugs* but its not like im saying he IS THE SMARTEST garg..im sure hes not:P But out of those Id say hes a good shoe in next to Demona. Id say they are the smartest..heck ..I've even thought to myself plenty of times.."If those two got together..ohhhh boy" Goliath would just be screwed..just plain screwed.

*runs out for now*
Lexy
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:01:57 PM
IP: 98ad019d.ipt.aol.com

Quick post to take care of stuff I missed earlier (oops):
Bombing the Fey> I stayed mostly out of this one, but I do have a bit to add. I don't think the humans should blow up Avalon just for the hell of it, but the option WOULD be nice, as a way to protect humanity from Fey atrocities. If you were going to do it, planes wouldn't be the way to go, though. I'd use submarines, giving each captain the Avalon spell. Subs could have hulls with lots of iron content. The fey would never know what hit them.

The only problem is that there are probably acquatic fey that we haven't seen yet (besdies the Sea Court). It would really ruin a sub commander's day if his boat was eaten by a kraken, or crushed by a leviathan.

(Of course, krakens are real - they're just giant squids. Leviathans may be real, too. The description of the leviathan in the Book of Job is relativly similar to an allagigator or croccodile)

Zath> I forgot to answer you earlier. Macbeth did use magic once that I remember for sure, but he seemed to be more of a dabbler than Demona. For him, magic was a useful edge, but not a vocation.

He probably could have been as wealthy as Demona is if he had applied himself, too. However, his failure to do so shows a lack of vision. An army of assult robots might have come in really handy on his Hunt, but he was too focused on the immediate picture to see the value in long range planning.

Of course, if I had to choose, I'd rather have Macbeth mad at me than Demona. He'd just hunt me to the ends of the earth. She'd try to wipe out my species. :)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, January 14, 2000 05:05:03 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Gunjack> Drunken Sailor: You are welcome.
Antimatter theory: Since this universe is mostly matter (due to a probability imbalance in pair production), I would expect that the first boom would send the rest of the antimatter colliding into matter in a negligable amount of time.
Matrix> Assuming it can't alter neuclei, the Matrix is whatever-based, because I takes whatever materials are at hand "grow".
Gampling fae: That all depends on how far into the furture they can see (prophesy, etc.).

Wilek> <>: That's just what they want you to think.
<<completely sheathed in iron>>: Yes, but how thick does it need to be? One atom? It could electroplated.

Zath> <<but how is this different from the way humans treat every other species on earth?>>: Maybe it has something to do with sentience and communication.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, January 14, 2000 03:35:27 PM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Hi everybody. The discussion on the smartest gargoyle seems to be dying down, so I guess now is a good time to put out my opinion. If one of you was just about to guess, and I ruined your chance by posting this, then I'll send you a prize anyway. All it was going to be was a riddle or one of my stories, or something along those lines and I'd like to share those anyway.

First, the candidates. These are the five gargoyles who, for various reasons, might be considered the "smartest." (At least by me. Other people may have different opinions, and I'd love to hear them.)

Asrial, Coldsteel, Demona, Lexington, Thailog.

I think the gargoyle with the highest blend of technical knowledge, human perception, wits, and cunning is probably Coldsteel. There's not a lot of evidence to support that, because he doesn't get a lot of spotlight time, but here's my basic reasoning:
1 - Iago's manipulation of other gargoyles in the Dark Ages period. (I don't read DA, so I don't know how the TGS staff is portraying him. I'm basing my opinion on the animated series only.) This shows his cunning and understanding of others.
2 - Coldsteel's ability to survive against Coldstone and Coldfire. Presumably, their combined power level is about twice his. Besides that, they can use team tactics to increase their effeciency. Even so, Coldsteel has managed to elude capture, and even score some good hits from time to time.
3 - Coldsteel's ability to manipulate machines. His cybernetic nature probably gives him a boost, but even so, he has mastered the intricacies of computer programing even more swiftly than Lex did, and under much worse conditions. He is probably NOT the in the same league as Lex or one of the other technical characters, but he is still formitable.

Given the above, I think Coldsteel is a very underused villian. His psychological hangups aren't as severe as Demona's, though they still hamper him. His main problems seem to be a lack of vision, and a tendency to be ruled by envy.

Now that he's no longer being chased by the Duo, he will be in a position to accrue power unmolested. He also doesn't seem to be as motivated by blind vengance as some of the other Gargoyles villians, so he's more likely to go to ground and operate quietly than to stupidly attack the castle or try to lure the clan into a deathtrap that also happens to be his base of operations.

I could really see him teaming up with someone like Tony Dracon or Sevarius and becoming a real problem somewhere down the road. Of course, then his natural tendency to betray would eventually get in his way...

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, January 14, 2000 02:00:59 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Greetings Everyone.

It's beena while since I have been able to post. I'm picking up a few more classes and there killing me. This would normally be a problem but the wierdest thing is that I'm loving it. The only thing that I have been told is not to bring my work home with me(I'm doing some work in Virology).

Pistoff: Yes! Yes! A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!! I agree with you on the Highlander thing with all my heart. The series ended with the first movie. Even the second movie was a stretch. Now with the TV series there are immortals jumping out of every shadow. This could have bbeen handled by changing worlds or something like that but no, Connor is still alive in the wrold of the two series.
This new movie is just an attempt to cash in on a lucrative market. I will admit that the choreography is better in the series that it was in the movies, and I probably will spend the $10.00 to see the movie, but that doesen't mean that I am happy with the concept.

On a side note. The Rocky Horror Picture Show. I was like you the first time I saw this movie/musical. Then I saw it with friends again, and again, and again. Sometime during this endless drone I must have been brain-washed because I just started loving this movie. I have thus far been able to resist going to see it live, but.....I ..don't know......how ......Long.

SAVE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!
Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, January 14, 2000 12:48:53 PM
IP: 209.167.129.12

Aaron walks in in time to corral Hyena-chan before she can do some of the other chibis bodily harm. Trying to shake the bloody lemon juice off, he retrieves his wallet from her and shakes his head.

C'mon, I need my cash. I have to pay Firestorm. (FS, I know what it sounds like, but the check is in the mail. Really)

(Accepts cookie from Toku, or tries too. Hyena-chan beats him to it, and scarfs it in one bite) Hmm, not bad for something I only say one episode of five months ago.

jewel> Gov. rewrites. Now that's scary. I'm glad nothing similar ever happened with gargs.

Gunjack> You know, I've never believed the Matrix's escape was accidental. But then, I trust most of the fey as far as I do demons.

Zath> Hmmm, gargs toys at the Titty Twister. I think that'd be worth risking the ol' life and limb a bit.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, January 14, 2000 12:30:29 PM
IP: ppp-61.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Oops, sorry Kyryn, ya sneaked in the post before I could. :)
Anne
Friday, January 14, 2000 11:54:18 AM
IP: 204-246-241-43.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Hi all, just woke up after a restless sleep. Dang that sugarhigh! Staying up for 43 hours & having fun sure keeled over... Oiiiiyyyy...what a hangover! :/

*chibi-Claw-kun runs busily by, getting ready to ambush other chibis with Maggie-chan and Talon-kun* Wha-??? *Claw and Talon smirk as chibi-Fang pickpockets from other chibis* Hey, guys--y'know what Hyena will do if she catches you! *chibi-Claw and Talon exchange worried looks before Maggie steps on Talon's tail <OOOWWWWW!>. He hands her some tobacco and she's about to leave the chibis to do the ambush but then decides to spark Hyena* Oh oh... *Talon, Claw, and Fang lunge at the CR door to get out before Hyena gets a chance to rip them apart for the spark (which Maggie smirks as she blames them) and Hyena's missing the forty bucks to go spend with Xellos-kun tonight* I _really_ feel sorry for them...

Static-Pulse> I think you're wondering about the Prince of Thieves Trilogy, correct? It's in season three, check the archive (it's small) and you'll see "Prince of Thieves" three times, each of them with a part 1, 2, or 3 at the end. Hope that helps.

Well, I better be going. I have a lot of catching up to do with the CR so I'll be back.

*As walking out, Claw, Fang, and Talon manage to separate but Hyena catches them. Before she can do damage though, Talon points out the DC has a wallet that'll have more then forty bucks in it. Meanwhile, Fang sneaks over and puts Hyena's money regretfully (for his sake, not DC's) into DC's pocket before running as Hyena turns her fury towards DC. DC's shriek lasts for a few seconds before slashing can be heard* Uh, I think I'll be going now... *Picks up a curious Claw (staring at Hyena's attack at DC) before walking out*
Anne
Friday, January 14, 2000 11:52:14 AM
IP: 204-246-241-43.nas2.apv.gblx.net

***Kyryn sneaks in from work****

Static Pulse> The story is a three-parter called "Prince of Thieves"

Click my name and it will take you to the Season 1 archive page for Dark Ages.

*****Kyryn sneaks out to work again*****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Friday, January 14, 2000 11:45:14 AM
IP: 207.115.148.178

I'm just now getting around to reading Christi Smith Hayden's story 'Astrial Interactive', and I was wondering if someone could help me. Which 'Dark Ages' story is about Asrial's kidnapping? I'd love to go back and get "the rest of the story." Thanks.
Static-Pulse - [darkbeast@darkbeast.com]
Friday, January 14, 2000 09:23:45 AM
IP: ppp60-pool1b.sel.zebra.net

Coyote: > Re: Disney? Coolies, we can get someone on the inside (so to speak) ... ;) **huggles** >> :oP uh huh.... I guess you could, could you? Even if applying for the position doesnt work... I am planing to do the say kind of thing I did at TV-6 of Lansing. Work for free! How can one say 'No' to free labor? (I also have a phone screen with Disney this afternoon too! *Plus* according to my firm, Disney is out to hire a number of permanent positions this year. Hmmm.....

Coyote Again: >> You signed off before I could tell you that I have an interview with the graphics division of AAA last night. :o( I'll let you know about it tonight... see ya then.

Star Trek News: >> Don't know how many Trekkers are in this room, but a bit of news of the internet. Jennifer Lien aka Elle from MIB Animated Series aka Kes from Voyager will be making a guest appearance on ST Voy this season. (Now you can 'drool' Coyote.... I know how much you love her :o) ).

Pistoff: > Re: Oh...gawd. Those idiots who couldn't get your DVD-ROM to work should be forced to return the $200 to you. That's just ridiculous and wrong. They should be broken, screwed, and chased out of town like the rats that they are. >> I'm still waiting to see if Richard (the one who got it up and running in 15 minutes on an AMD, gave them a call. *grins* I am no longer gonna bring my CPU to any shops... I will just pay the extra postage to ship it to Richard, (or give him and his wife a free trip down?) or find someone like him down here in Orlando. I've learned my lesson.

Kitainia: > Re: Coyote: Yep, Xenatrek's a great person and she fits in well here. So naturally we've become friends. :) >> Awww.... you're so *sweet* *wipes tears from eyes and blows nose into tissue, blushing*

Talk with you all later. :o)
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Friday, January 14, 2000 08:13:58 AM
IP: gopher0.national.aaa.com

*De-lurks*

Zath re Nuking the Fey:Well said! :)

*Re-lurks*

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Friday, January 14, 2000 07:32:39 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

***** WARNING: REALLY LONG DC DEATH *****
**Zath wanders into the CR, followed by Thailog Horror, who is pushing a large cart carrying something roughly the size and shape of a new VW Beetle obscured by a sheet, and Chibi-Sevarius, who is carrying a box and looks extremely excited about something. Zath approaches Mr. Disconnect while Chibi-Sevarius opens his box and runs around distributing cheese graters to all the other chibis in the CR. Whatever is under the sheet wiggles slightly. "So DC, I see you've been busy..."
Mr. DC looks nervous, but remains somewhat calm because Zath is unarmed and everyone else is currently too far away to reach him. "Uh, yeah, I guess so," he manages to stammer as his gaze darts around the room. Through the normal noise of conversation in the CR, DC hears the ominous sound of giggling chibis. At first it had been just a few, but as Chibi-Sevarius made his rounds handing out cheese graters, whispering and pointing at DC, the number of small snickering creatures grew. DC glances down and sees his fly is open. He zips it up, but the giggling of the chibis continues.
"In fact, I bet you've been so busy, you haven't had time to meet my ward." Zath waves to Chibi Seavrius, who scampers over carrying the last cheese grater. "He's young, he's wild, and he likes to wear garters and fishnet stockings under his little lab coat, but Anton-kun has many of the original Anton Sevarius's talents." Then Zath turns and addresses the chibi. "Why don't you show the nice hacker your latest project?" DC tries to protest, but Chibi-Sevarius runs over and starts yanking on the sheet. He's too small to pull it off, so T Horror helps him, revealing...
"A giant lemon?" DC stares at the large fruit, wondering if Zath has gone even more insane than usual.
"Oh, it's not just any old giant lemon. It's-"
"The biggest lemon in the world?" asks DC, deciding to humor the madwoman and her friends.
"Well, yes, it is that, but it's also a semi-sentient hybrid of plant and animal DNA. You see before you Hugo the shark-lemon!" Zath gestures grandly, and as if recognizing its name, Hugo gurgles and wiggles a little.
"But it doesn't seem very shark-like, except for those bumps that look slightly like small fins," Mr. DC begins uncertainly.
"Hugo usually only becomes active when exposed to stimuli that would interest a shark, such as the scent of blood."
"So the lemon isn't doing anything because no one's bleeding?"
"Yes, but that's easily remedied." A snap of Zath's fingers signals all the chibis with cheese graters to start running towards the unfortunate hacker.
"Wha?� AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrggggg!!!" After a few short seconds of gleeful squeals from the chibis and agonized screams from the hacker, the chibis all retreat back to whatever they had been doing before, leaving DC lying in a painful heap on the floor, completely lacking clothing and skin. Hugo begins to stir, wiggling and sniffing the air. What had appeared to be a deep wrinkle in the peel splits open, revealing an enormous toothless mouth. The shark-lemon hops off the cart and starts bounding towards the skinless hacker. Mr. DC screams again and tries to get up to run away, but he slips and falls in a puddle of his own various bodily fluids. Hugo downs him in a single gulp, burps contentedly, and settles down to continue its nap. DC's screams can still be heard, coming from within the giant shark-lemon.
* * * *
Several Hours later, Chibi-Sevarius is scampering around, recording notes about his creation's behavior, and DC is still screaming from inside.
Thailog Horror walks up to Zath and says, "Hey, shouldn't he be dead by now?"
"No," Zath replies. "Hugo has a digestive system kind of like a Venus-fly-trap's, so right now DC is soaking in a bath of concentrated lemon juice and salt, slowly being dissolved by the citric acid and enzymes."
"Without any skin? That's gotta hurt." TH gave something that sounded not quite like a maniacal laugh, but at least like an evil chuckle.
"It should, and since Hugo is half cold blooded and half plant, it doesn't require that much food, so it'll probably just suck on DC for a week or two and then spit him out when it gets tired of him."
"Nifty." The two friends sit back and enjoy DC's muffled screams while Zath makes replies.
***** END DC DEATH *****

Well, I've survived the first week of the spring semester, and I've already turned in one writing assignment and need to be working on two more. At least the long weekend is here and I get to go northern California for the break. It'll be fun to see a new place. Too bad I still haven't been able to find a suitable replacement for my stolen camera, so I can't take any pictures. Anyway, on with the replies!

Jannie> <<came thru Houston?? If you do that again, let me know and if your layover is long enough for a visit, I'll be happy to come to the airport and visit with you for a while>> Thanks, I'll have to remember that : ) However, I don't know when I'll be back, and usually my layovers are so short I only have time to run from one plane to the other and maybe grab a snack as I go shooting past if I'm lucky.

Aaron> <<Well, there's a closer river down here I could cross if I wanted to go drinking. The Rio Grande. But given my luck, I'd end up at the Titty Twister>> Who knows, that might not be entirely bad. Maybe somewhere in that giant stash of stolen truck cargo there's a crate or two of Gargoyles toys ; ) You could give Mr. DC to the vampires, and in exchange for a constantly regenerating source of blood, they might let you leave with your life, the toys, and some booze (seeing how that would have been what you went there for in the first place).

David G.> <<Macbeth has had almost the same amount of time, and an easier time of interacting with humanity, but so far has not demonstrated Demona's skills in magic, science, or business>> I have a feeling he could if he wanted to. Didn't he cast a spell of some sort when he opened the scrolls of Merlin? As far as wealth goes, I thing he has a lot more money than is obvious at first glance. He probably puts most of it into things like his underground hangar, his harrier, hiring mercenaries, and who knows what else, rather than using it for flashy displays that would attract the unwanted attention of the general public. Also, the show and then TGS always paid more attention to Demona than Macbeth, so there were very few details indicating exactly what he was capable of doing.

SJ> <If you're talking about survival, Demona reigns supreme>> but for most of her 1000+ years she only had to worry about avoiding one guy in order to stay alive. The only time she really had to worry about survival was the time between the Wyvern massacre and when she teamed up with Macbeth. Sure, she managed to keep from dying, but other than that, she didn't seem very successful.

Wilek> <<I'd probably go on a self-destructive killing spree.>> Wouldn't that require making a lot of clones of yourself and then slaughtering them? ; ) <<somehow I get the feeling that the infamous large stone face on Mars is some civilization's equivalent of Keep Off The Grass (or rock or whatever)>> Or is it just "Relzarn was here"? <<Snow> We're getting a little here, but it's still pretty pathetic>> You're upset you're not getting enough snow? I'm upset it's cool enough for me to need a light jacket when I go outside, but then most people say I'm a reptile who would only be happy living on the sun. : )

Anne> <<we bought the kittens (or the yearlings) a few toy mouses that are now in cotton shreds around the house. Oh well, at least they got that out of there system (and at least we didn't give em party hats and a cake!>> *LOL* Have you tried those realistic looking toy mice made out of rabbit fur? They look like they might be a little more durable. As for getting it out of their systems, we've had Kitty for several years now, and she still hasn't gotten it all out of her system. : )

XenaTrek> <<more coke or pepsi machines thru-out campus?>> USC is exclusively Pepsi. Whenever I want a Coke or a Minute-Maid (which I believe is a branch of the Coke company) orange soda, I have to go off campus. : (

Jannie> <<Now, I will drag this flu-ridden body back to bed>> I hope you feel better soon.

Christine> <<You should just start selling the T-shirts>> Just make sure you don't get dragged off in chains by cops wearing Mickey Mouse ears on their hats....

Pistoff> <> Didn't that happen in the <> You still have a few sentence fragments scattered here and there, but for the most part everything seems okay. However, unless I just misread that part, Beth jogging 4 miles in 10 minutes seems a little odd. Maybe I'm just even lazier than I thought I was, but going 24 miles an hour seems a little fast for a jog. Oh well, if I'm focusing on little random nitpicks like that, it means there isn't anything bigger that I caught. : ) <<Rocky Horror Picture Show: Without a doubt one of the worst films I've ever seen>> Just because something is bad doesn't mean it can't be extremely amusing. It's not meant to be profound, just a bunch of oddballs engaging in sex and violence.

Gunjack> <<there's definately appeal in a good unseeming-from-nave-to-chops that only a sword can provide...>> Why don't you get a bayonet? Then you could have the best of both world, ripping and slashing coupled with shooting and splattering....

Nuking the Fey> Is it my imagination, or are many people in here simply mad at the fey because they messed with *humans*? It seems to me that many are more upset over the violation of *human* freedom than the violation of life in general? Sure, the fey jerked around the humans, manipulating and or killing them, but how is this different from the way humans treat every other species on earth? With the exception of the fey, everything is at the mercy of humanity, so it seems to me that people are just upset that they aren't on top of the food chain. Humans don't like the fey, because to the fey humans are just like cows, so everyone gets offended because they believe they are better than the cows and the fey must be evil for believing otherwise. Humans don't like being treated the way they treat everything else. If the fey were content to play with all the other animals, but leave humanity alone, people would still get upset, but it would be along the lines of "Hey, that fey is messing with *my* animal!" rather than "Hey, that fey is abusing that animal's freedom!" I don't think humanity would be truly happy to have the fey around unless humans could control them just like they control everything else. That being said, I think I'll go have a nice bloody rare steak before I get killed and eaten by an elf....

Okay, I now have less than 3 hours before I need to leave for the airport. I guess I should go pack and then try to get at least a little sleep. I'll be back in a couple of days. Bye for now.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:49:34 AM
IP: ppp-229-226.usc.edu

Hi all!!

Guys,I just heard that Bill Gates has stepped down as head of Microsoft(in that He's quit as CEO)

Warpmind:<<You've upgraded the old 486 to a P200? I hate you. ;)>>I guess now would be a bad time to mention that both my P200 and my PII233 are hooked up to a LAN for the perposes of playing Quake deathmatch. ;)

Firestorm:<>Great! :),what do you think of it so far?,what did you think of the changes made to the first level from the demo?(changes of the transparent,turn up out of nowhere and scare the c@#p! out of you variety,I think you'll know what I'm talking about >:) )<>My mistake,I'm sorry.And as for my PC setup,I wouldn't be supprised if you could beat it,I've been thinking about putting another 100MHZ into it and 200 meg of RAM.

Jewel re Microsoft:<<the gov't wants to split them up. Ahh, the true Great Satan falls...and a new one (AOL-Time/Warner) rises to take it's place...>>*Adopts omminous voice*"True evil can never be distroyed completely!">;)

SOROW:<>Congratulations!:),I'm sure that you'll be able to find the funds.

Pistoff:<<Nice Joyride. >8D Chibi-Duke says "Bitchin'!!!" ;)>>Thanks bud! :)

C'yas' later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Friday, January 14, 2000 06:02:27 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

**RP!**

[Aboard the Avatar Of Ganon, Wilek has set about registering Warpmind with the system, so that he can begin his work with the Avatar. They both step up to a computer console, and Wilek types something into the computer. Wilek: "Name? Never mind, I know that...Species, gender or genders, mutation, yadda yadda...Rank and position?" Warpmind: "Um...I'll be doing general helping out kinds of things." Wilek: "General consultant, then. It's what me and pretty much all the other non-MIB serving here are, officially." Wilek types something else into the console, and then another touchscreen displays a set of handprint readers and what looks like a high-tech oscilloscope. Wilek: "Put your hands there and say your name; it's for voiceprint, handprint, and DNA identification." Warpmind does so, and the computer responds, "Consultant Warpmind De Inzane registered." After a few moments of computation, the screen changes to a map of the station, with an unoccupied room highlighted in red. "Well, here you are. Room 27-Red-17. Have a nice stay. <grin> The controls for things in general here are pretty intuitive, although you can ask the computer for help with anything." Warpmind: "Interesting...thanks."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Gside> <<And the Great Red Spot isn't, huh? And I'm willing to bet that Shoemaker-Levy happened right after some other hapless interplanetary settlers landed.>> Eh? And here I was under the impression those were natural phenomena... O_o' Ah well, there's always Uranus. No one goes to Uranus. >;)

Poe Pah> Welcome! :D Go have your sanity extracted; it just gets in the way... :)

Jaden> <<Most people around here just think I'm weird.>> Me too, actually. Don't know what would make them think that... <grins innocently>

Warpmind> <<As the speed of light is constant only in vacuum, does that mean that if you were travelling with the speed of light and suddenly passed through a solid object, you would be slowed down? Or would you just be very unconcious in a very you-shaped hole in that solid object? ;)>> Um...Probably both you and the object would be in really bad shape, no matter what happened...<<Ignore my previous comment about missing that t-shirt design... Aaron: I WANT one, if I have to challenge you to a joust to get one!>> You could simply print out the colored version and take it to a place that transfers pictures onto T-shirts. I did that with Caitlingoyle's pic of me at my site; both of the local malls have places like that. :) $Um...I think you got the names of two of my characters mixed up. :) Agent Rho is the human in charge of the station; the Administrator is the Borg Queen who maintains the computers and such (officially, she's the sysadmin; her Collective is tolerated aboard the station because they're so darn useful). But ye got everything else right. :) $

Xanathar> <<No need,we Joyrided them remember.>;)>> Oh, now I remember. >:) hehe

Nuking Avalon> Ehh...nah. There are only a few Fey I can think of offhand that really deserve it, and fewer still that are actually on Avalon (Madoc's dead, Maeve is still being tortured, I think Loki's dead, I don't know where Garlon has buggered off to). I would like to slap Oberon across the face with an iron gauntlet, though (as, of course, a prelude to doing horrible things to him with iron needles). >:) As for the Sisters...deserving they may be, but the world's more interesting with them in it. hehehe Besides, we all saw what happened when Anubis was made unable to act--*no one could die*. If all the death Fey were killed...our planet would rapidly choke on its own ever-increasing population, even more than it is now. And think of the non-Fey casualties--Catherine, the garg clan, the other guy whose name I forget, etc. (Besides, it's a moot point--any airplane approaching Avalon with hostile intent would most likely be disintegrated by an irate Oberon anyhow, unless it were completely sheathed in iron, which would probably make it too heavy to fly.)

Jannie> <<this flu is the pits. eesh, I haven't had the flu in years so I guess it's making up for lost time.>> ACK. Get well soon, friend. <rams a cattle prod up Sli Sludge's <censored>> <<The other day when I was leaving Wal-Mart, I was detained at the exit by a sweet elder lady who was checking receipts and packages. (She saw me come from the register) She wanted to see my receipt and I asked her why. Shocked, she said, "because management tells me to".>> I've encountered that. Probably they've had problems with shoplifters in the past, and they're being extra careful. <shrug>

Fire Storm> <<Did you know that game will actually work on a 386? It worked ok on mine. (As long as you have it at the absolutely smallest window!)>> Well, my 386 only had 2MB of RAM, so pretty much *nothing* worked on it. :P

Aaron> <<*Every* planet they visit gets blown up. It's kind of like killing Kenny, just on a grand scale.>> :O Ohhh, I have to see this! >:D

Jewel> <<Don't worry about Max--it's normal for snakes to not eat during winter; last winter, he only ate twice in three months, and it looks like he'll do the same this winter>> Ah. Hm...I kinda thought reptile dormancy was connected directly to ambient temperature? Although I don't know much about such things...<<my big brother said it was likely Mina woulnd't mate with him since he's albino and she isn't>> Wow, racist rats. There's something you don't see every day. ;P

Snow> We're getting a little here, but it's still pretty pathetic. :/

Lexy> <> The same way links are posted; enter the URL of the WAV file. :) It has to be on the Internet somewhere, so if it isn't already, you'll need some web space. A little inconvenient, but oh well.

Pistoff> <<when the new account is up and running, I will be here with Chibi-Duke to conduct a special...ceremony to...commemorate the event. *evil chuckle which blossoms into maniacal laughter*>> <EVIL GRIN> This should be interesting... >8) <<a woman called and wanted one of our "16-inch pizzas with pepperoni." Okay, fine. Our New Yorker is 16 inches. But as I was typing the order in, she said, "How big is that?">> :O This kind of person is why they invented chainsaws...Repulsive.com> I qualify as 'quirky', I think...<shuddeR> <<then was awakened at 2:30 by some son of a bitch who fired a shotgun outside my bedroom window. He's dead now. :)>> He suffered adequately, I trust? >;) <<That would be too quick for him. :) Maybe I'll play accupuncture with some of the larger splinters... ^_^>> <muhahaha> Perhaps you could drive some of them in with a sledgehammer? >:) <<I think the next product I'll review is ICQ. For some reason, it's really popular...but ever since I got the 99alpha version, I've had nothing but problems. When I chat with somebody, it either drops them from the chat, or freezes their windows, or kicks me out...I don't get disconnected from the net, just dropped out of the chat program. I "upgraded" to the 99beta version, and it's even worse. Quite often I get "illegal operation" error messages and the whole thing shuts down. So basically, I'm not using ICQ anymore. Screw 'em.>> Wow...I've never liked ICQ, but I never knew it had *that* many problems...Hey, didn't AOL buy them a while back? It'd explain a lot...<<Koalas.com crashed...or something...and nothing could get through, so it probably got bounced back to you a few times.>> Just once, fortunately. ;) <> Ack, I've been there...<> They actually had a guest starring role in an earlier episode, 'Trust No One' I think it was called. Gillian Anderson herself did the voice of the Scully binome. :) <<one of my favorite cameo thingies was a battleship that was chasing the Saucy Mare--at one point, as the ship passed by, you could see the name painted on the side: SS CAMERON. And of course, the ship sank... >;)>> <muhahahaha> Sounds interesting. >:) I'll have to keep an eye out for that one...<<Oh, and I noticed Sorow mentioned that you had a birthday last month, so...HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :D>> Thanks! :D Best Buy carnage> <muhahaha> Excellent. ^_^ Chibi Octabrain sounds like a handy critter to have around. :) <<Honestly, I think even AOhelL would provide more competent service than the scuds I'm currently stuck with.>> O_O Dear *gods*...<<that reminds me of a news story I read once (though there was no stupidity involved in this one) about a construction worker who fell and got knocked out...and when he woke, he realized that he had one of those huge drill bits stuck in his skull. There was nobody else around, so he had to go into the building and look in the bathroom mirror, switch the drill into reverse and...back that sucker out of his skull.>> >_< Ack...

Kaioto> <> There would be, if there were actually a good and fair king occupying the throne in place of that idiot Oberon... <<regarding the Fay as any other country that can destroy us with a big nasty weapon, magical or scientific.>> Well...if their machinations--and weaknesses--are ever discovered, I can easily see some of them being put on trial for crimes against humanity. Granted, there are probably Egyptologists (to use one example) who'll have trouble thinking of Set and Sekhmet as war criminals instead of old legends, and probably *everyone* would be confused when they found out Oberon was real (why do I get the feeling he'd be judged incompetent to stand trial?), but oh well. :P

Gunjack> <<Therefore, simply exposing a 25kg chunk of antimatter to the open air wouldn't be enough; to get that 1000 MT blast, you'd have to find a way to bring EVERY ATOM of both materials into contact with each other almost simultaneously. The only way I can think of would be to use explosives to crush a sphere of AM, but I'm not sure if even that would work...>> Hm...is there any way to store antimatter in dust or gas form? If so, it could be mixed with matter in the same state to cause the explosion. (Granted, storing antimatter at all is a pretty complex matter...) :) <<Assuming that the Matrix is iron based, you can't begin to find a more selective weapon against the fey...>> Hm...I'm not sure what the thing is made of, actually. I believe it's constructed from a few trillion nanites...but aren't they made of something other than iron? Of course, the Matrix could probably have each individual nanite construct a layer of iron plating for itself; the weight difference probably wouldn't be much... <<What was Titania doing in Australia helping Fox design the Matrix? Suddenly, the clans arrival and the Matrix's break from control don't look quite as random as they used to...>> :O Of course...

**RESUME RP!**

[Somewhere in the Labyrinth, Shaftiel has been left standing while Pinhead finishes whatever he's off doing. Left to himself, he wonders just what Leviathan thinks it's getting away with, constructing all this. Rumors circulate around Hell just like anywhere in the lands of the living, and the rumors surrounding this place and its denizens suggest that they, much like Deavik, are in flagrant violation of the Pax Infernae, Hell's cease-fire with the worlds above that forbids intervention in mortal affairs until after death. Leviathan escaped censure by claiming that the mortals it dragged into this maze *asked* for it, by opening the blasted puzzle boxes that some lunatic had scattered around the mortal world. A dubious defense, but a loophole in the treaty allowed it to go almost unchallenged. Shaftiel is almost sure that Phillip LeMarchand, the lunatic in question, was down here somewhere; he resolves to find him someday and ask him what the heavens he was thinking when he made the abominable things. Right after he hired a few of the lawyers that seemed so plentiful here to check the validity of Leviathan's claim to immunity.

The demon knight is interrupted in his musings by a deep voice intoning from behind him, "You wish to see me?" He turns to find the arch-Cenobite, Pinhead, staring at him with that cold, inscrutable look every Cenobite seemed to possess. Shaftiel snaps out of his reverie and responds, "Of course. I wish to make you an offer you can't refuse..."]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Friday, January 14, 2000 03:20:30 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Double Post, Ick ... sorry.

Aaron> Sorry, the first "A" got cut off.

And, just so people are clear, I don't advocate nuking the Fay. I would, however, say that aiming nuclear weapons at Avalon is just another practical move. It seems pretty stupid to have mutual assured destruction with the rest of the human world, and then leave the continent-sinking Fay out of the fun. Hey, they can wipe out my country, and I can wipe out their's. That is how MAD works.

The nukes aren't about genocide to me, they are about regarding the Fay as any other country that can destroy us with a big nasty weapon, magical or scientific.

Genocide ~is~ bad, and I ~do~ like some of the Fay as people, but I'll never like the idea of little bratty godlings running around. That is too much power to "cheat" at the game of life, and too much power to manipulate and destory the ideas of freedom and free will.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, January 14, 2000 01:40:42 AM
IP: 1cust33.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

*Gunjack Valentine walks through the door whistleing "what shall we do with the drunken sailor".*
Hey, guys and gals... long time no see. Apparently, the deities of the net decided that I was spending too much time on here, so they cut me out. :P
Anyway, it looks like I've been granted a reprieve, so I'm posting while of got the chance. Oh, and before I forget...
*Valentine's hand disappears under his jacket and returns carrying a monster Colt SAA revolver. He spins the pistol twice, flips it to his right hand, and lays out DC with a .50 hollowpoint to the guts. He them drags DC over to his desk and begins to skin him as he scans through the posts.*

Ooo, look at all the fun... nuking the fey, antimatter detonation physics, fun Fun FUN! On to comments!

Gside - Thanks for the "Drunken Sailor" DC deaths... not only has the freaker screwed my connection over for the last three weeks, but I happen to really love that song.:) Double the fun! <<That would release ~4.5*10^18 Joules of energy. 1 Megaton releases 4.2*10^15 J. Therefore, that is about 1000 Megatons.>> Ouch. That would probably do the trick, as far as Avalon is concerned... But one question. If I understand antimatter, atoms of matter and AM have to come into contact to effect the whole mass/energy conversion thingy. Therefore, simply exposing a 25kg chunk of antimatter to the open air wouldn't be enough; to get that 1000 MT blast, you'd have to find a way to bring EVERY ATOM of both materials into contact with each other almost simultaneously. The only way I can think of would be to use explosives to crush a sphere of AM, but I'm not sure if even that would work...

As for nuking the fey, why bother? Xanatos has the specs for a much more efficient weapon on archive: the Matrix (That name sounds REALLY wrong now that I've seen the movie...). Assuming that the Matrix is iron based, you can't begin to find a more selective weapon against the fey... The freaker can move underground, underwater, can repair damage at an incredible rate, and grows like kudzu on speed, crack, and amphetimines. That's about as bad as it gets from anybody's viewpoint.

Which raises a question... What was Titania doing in Australia helping Fox design the Matrix? Suddenly, the clans arrival and the Matrix's break from control don't look quite as random as they used to...

Sorow - Gratz on the european travel! :) Bring us back some liederhosen...:)

Aaron><<As for the Way of the Sword, I prefer the Way of Smith & Wesson myself.>> Heh. At least I wasn't the one who said it... Although, know that I think about it, there's definately appeal in a good unseeming-from-nave-to-chops that only a sword can provide...

Tim P. - Ooo, goody! Another site to add to my weaponlist! Thanks, man! :D

**********TGS SPOILERS (If you're REALLY behind...)*********
Gyre><<Titania better? Are we talking about the same Titania who refused to heal Elisa siting the law forbidding interference in mortal affairs?>> My impression of this has always been that Titania was forcing Demona to let go of her hate of Elisa, and that she KNEW that Demona wouldn't let Elisa die... In which case, her actions were understandable, even admirable. <<And if you still say Titania is not so bad, remember Titania gambled with Elisa's life that Demona would do the right thing.>> A gamble to give peace to one of the most tortured creatures in existence sounds like a good deal to me... And besides, I could believe that Titania can read people well enough for it to be hardly a gamble.
**************END SPOILERS**********************************

David G.><<Somehow that makes more sense than a literal interpritation of the lyrics, so I tend to believe him. (Sounds like a lot of fun for punishing DC, too.)>> I donno. It sounded to me like regular old sailor irreverence; sorta like "Hey, we could do this to him, or that, but how about the MOST TRYING PUNISHMENT OF ALL..."
Besides, I'd just love to see the scene of Goliath discovering DC in the sack with his daughter... It appeals to my sense of the visceral.:)

SJ><<Ah, the old "we should make them pay" debate. Be careful here, my friend. I suggested once that Demona should get the axe taken to her pretty little head once, and I had the goddamn fire and brimstone of hell tossed down upon me by a certin individual who claimed I wasn't given Demmie a chance to "redeem" herself. I believe my initial point about that whole matter was that, eventually, a person runs out of "second chances", and when that happens, you just have to drop the hammer on them like the thunder god Thor.>>I'd agree on principle with the "limited chances" idea, but I think Demona's case is special. Given the amount of damage and horror that she has wreaked, I'd say that simple death should no longer be an option. She needs to EARN an exit. Make her work hard to repair the damage she's done. How? Well, there's always the possibility of using Angela as a hostage...
Ooo, I think a fic is forming in the old grey matter...

As to the weird sisters, I've always thought that they were acting with a higher purpose in mind. If so, they're just machavelien pragmatists, and I can take that. It wouldn't keep me from hosing the trio with automatic weapons, but it WOULD keep iron out of the bullets.
If, on the other hand, they've just been screwing around for the heck of it, I can think of some inventive uses for a corkscrew...

Fluer><<Methinks there's a lot of seriously pissed off survivalists out there, sitting amongst their provisions, coming to the slow realisation that their 'Y2K' assault rifle will be absolutely no use after all.>> Impossible. The provisions might be worthless, but you can ALWAYS find a use for a good semi-auto rifle... If nothing else, you can sell it to me! :D <<(yes, for those who were not aware, they memorialised the paranoia with a high powered weapon. Nothing more needs to be said.)>> I think I've seen this... Not a bad effort. I'd buy one!:)
Then again, I'd buy just about anything with a thirty-round magazine and a folding stock...

Speaking of guns, I was looking at that USCMC Pulse rifle link that someone posted a while back, and a thought occured to me: it wouldn't be that hard to build a REAL pulse rifle! Take a real thompson and whatever shotgun they used, do a little cosmetic work, and voila! You're a Colonial Marine, baby!:)

Well, that's about all for today... I still need to hunt down a few GURPS weapon pages. See y'all in a few, if I can...

Ugh, three monster posts landed while I wasn't looking. I'll get to 'em next time...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, January 14, 2000 01:39:46 AM
IP: 4.50.182.185

aron: *hands him a cookie* Yup, �Those who hunt elves.� Man, I ~love~ that anime.

Nuke the Fay:

You know, one sick part of me says to get rid of them all and be done with it, but genocide is a poor answer to a problem. I would agree, however, that Avalon should be targeted with nuclear weapons. Hell, if Russia has nukes trained on their crumbling little �democracy,� Avalon should. It is the simplest fact that the Fay are a threat to freedom and free will of the �mortal� races and that Oberon has proven he can sink entire CONTINENTS!!! (cfc �Atlantis�)

Now, as much as Selanit�s words are eloquent and logical, no amount of pretty philosophy changes the fact that the Fay (as creatures) are NOT human. They are not mortal. They are not �personifications of humanity� in the Gargoyles universe. They are individuals, all too human in behavior, but with abusive amounts of supernatural power and no one to account to but the Lord of Self-Absorbed, Irresponsible Hissy-Fits himself, Oberon.

In a very real way, the Fay are an abomination because they represent power gone amok. It is power without true, enforceable responsibility. Sure, in their own circles they can self-regulate, but their power in this case is abominable because it allows they reality manipulation over the human race. Simply put, they can do as they please to �cheat� reality to manipulate men�s lives, while men can�t do it back. Sure, if everyone where on the same playing field, it would be like normal humanity with more control over their environment. This, however, is a matter of one race having complete power over another (via magic), the power to kill, maim, transmute, reprogram memories, etc. etc. etc. just as a freaking ~ birth right ~. Gargoyles Fay are like children, and human�s are their play things. Whether some of the children have learned not to abuse their toys or not is irrelevant! Human lives are NOT playthings for the likes of Oberon�s children.

In my mind, I liken the Fay to the Nazi�s, controlling the destiny of the Jewish race because they have the abominable power to. Or whites in my own America before the civil war, making black second class citizens at best and typically property to be utilized or played with as one of the �masters� saw fit. Yes, some whites were good people, and treated blacks fairly, but the kind of power they wielded over blacks, and � what is worse � the casual acceptance that this is the way things are ~ supposed ~ to be. No, I see nothing good about the position the Fay hold in the Gargoyle�s universe, and I would think that behind the scenes SOME sort of reasonable force keeps them in check. I certainly like to write about one �

�Budda�s ass! I ~ Really ~ hate elves!!�

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, January 14, 2000 01:20:06 AM
IP: 1cust33.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

**RP HERE**

In the Dirty Laundry Gang's Los Angeles penthouse hideout, Nylon Man stands up from the table where he and Al Detergent are going over various papers related to the gang's payroll and says, "I'm going out of coffee, anyone want some?" The gang and Storm Eagle all give him their drink orders and after he leaves, the latter sits close to Static as they watch a Fox "World's Stupidest and Most Obviously Faked Police Videos" special. "Geez," Bleach Man shakes his head as he watches them quickly cuddle up. "I have to get me someone. Asil's got that loverboy she's been in the bedroom with for the past hour, and now Stormy might be getting one of us. Damn!" "Hey, ease up, man," Socko grins. "There are plenty of girls around." "Yeah, try for Staina," Scrubber adds. "She likes you." "In a big brother way," Bleach Man snaps. "That don't count. Besides, she's too young. I gotta get me someone hot and my age, like I don't know Sarah Gellar, or Neve Campbell. Somebody." Lint Man taps him on the shoulder and points toward the bedroom. "What?" Bleach Man asks. Lint Man makes some gestures and Bleach Man frowns. "You want me to go steal the boss lady's love-ray gizmo?" "Hey, that's a plan," Scrubber laughs. "No," Bleach Man shakes his head. "Bad idea. Besides, I think it probably only works on guys and I'm not going there." "Reverse the polarity," Socko shrugs. "Then it will work for you." "I don't know, pal," Bleach Man says. "If the boss lady finds it gone..." "Take a chance," yells Static, who's been listening in. "You're never gonna get any the natural way." "I won't tell her," Storm Eagle assures him, sipping a bottle of beer. "Just get it back fast after you use it and there'll be no problems." Bleach Man considers the idea for a moment, then sighs. "What the heck." He gets up and goes into the bedroom, coming out a minute later with the weapon in hand and a smile of relief on his face. "I don't believe it, but they're asleep." "They'll probably need it," says Al Detergent. "I have some questions for Asil when she wakes up. You want a girl, go find one. Just get back quick." Bleach Man nods. "Okay." He then walks out, Scrubber and Socko following with Static just behind. "Why you guys coming?" Bleach Man asks them. "We want to see who you get," Scrubber explains. "Oh. Well, okay, come on." They head on towards the stairs.

**COMING SOON- WHO WILL BLEACH MAN ZAP WITH THE LOVE GUN? CAN'T TELL YOU NOW, CAUSE IT'S TIME TO END THIS RP AND BRING ON THE POST :)**

Hi there CR dwellers. <looks around> Well, room's a little slow, but it's good to see everyone in high spirits. Slowness is probably due to us being down earlier, wonder what did that. <strangles DC to death> It better not happen again until day after never. :) Well, it looks like lots of you have good news, too bad I don't have any of my own to share. My life's been pretty quiet since I posted last week, hope there are some good movies opening tomorrow to lighten things up before school starts next Tuesday. <sighs> Welcome to the CR, newcomers (if there are any). Now on to replies.

Christine: Glad Damien is coming along. I'll definitely be reading it when it's posted. Hope it's worth the wait and hype. (I know it will be 'cause you're the writer, but it never hurts to say this just in case. :)

Happy belated birthday Aaron! Sorry I missed it last week. Happy birthday also to any other people I missed. <shakes head> Hope you all enjoy having survived in this world another year, and that many more are ahead of you. :)

Coyote: Yep, Xenatrek's a great person and she fits in well here. So naturally we've become friends. :) Thanks for bringing her in, man. You're welcome about the character listings, hope you are soon able to put them to good use in WCC.

SJ: You like Cristina Aguilera because she appeals to your shallow male chauvinistic side? Funny, I hate her for similar reasons (she also appeals to the shallow male chauvinistic sides of many guys I know in RL, including Jammer, Boris, and my brother Ray, I'm sorry to say :( ). Not faulting your opinion, but there's no way I'm going to share it. She may be cute, but I've heard '50s musical stars who sing better than that girl (no, I'm not a fan of '50s musicals). Britney isn't squeaky clean either, I don't think. IMO, no squeaky clean girl gets a boob job. No girl in her right mind gets one either, but that's beside the point. :) Anyway, the issue is moot. Neither Brittany nor Cristina is a suitable role model, nor do they deserve awards for their music. May they fade into obscurity quickly and not win! <smirk>

Kaioto: Welcome back. Thanks for the excellent posts on art and Demona. Once again you've delivering such encompassing and noteworthy orations on a couple of topics that I have been left speechless. Thank you for sparing me the burden of thinking up something to say. :) Good fay bit too, though I kinda disagree with the elf bashing parts. Some elves are okay people (Coyote, Grandmother, Puck, Tanis & Laurana from Dragonlance, etc). Yes, I agree, the majority of them are bad news, but we must not forget that the fay can be as diverse as we humans! :) Hopefully the bad ones will get their just desserts someday and then we can forever live in harmony with the good. (Yeah, and the fiery part of Hell will become ice. <sigh>)

Jaden: Thanks for the good luck wishes. Classes have me down currently, but I'm getting over it. Just trying to enjoy the freedom I have left, and hoping the semester ahead is interesting enough to be worth the high prices I'm paying for it. <bemused grin> Thanks also for the congrats about the free power, we're enjoying it now. :)

Skippy: I completely agree with you about Sinatra, Martin, and the Beatles. They're not just entertainers but artists as well, and that is why they remain in our minds. U2, Tom Petty, and Dylan also fall into the same category IMO, as do Van Halen, Tupac, Meatloaf, and a few other more obscure singers and bands. Too bad most of them aren't as popular as the bland manufactured entertainment stars like Britney and the Backstreet Boys. Oh well, their popularity has to be temporary. I'll just keep waiting it out. :)

Pistoff: Thanks for the welcome back. Read Injustice for All 2, and liked it a lot. You really upped the foreshadowing quotient in your stories with it, I can hardly wait to find out what the Gratthi have planned next. Also really enjoyed the character and plot developments, especially on Iris and Jon's ex. Hope Elisa and Goliath are able to patch things up soon, don't blame me but I just can't see them with anyone else but each other (though I do like the new character Alan somewhat). Also, like Doug, I hope the Swordie thugs get their butts kicked soon and painfully. Tell Jack and the gang to shoot them a few extra times for me, okay? :) And whatever happens, you and Denis keep up the good work!

SOROW: You're welcome, and thanks for not minding about the good luck wishes. They still apply (and double since you're a junior). Hope you're able to go to Austria and enjoy it. I think you should take Joe with you, make it romantic. Oh wait, that would probably cost too much. Never mind. :)

David G: Glad you're feeling a lot better, hope it continues to be so. Looking forward to the next chapter of your Sabledrake story when it comes out.

Stephen: You're welcome for the Kindred Spirits comments. May your next story be just as excellent. <grin>

Marlos: What? No episode of TGS this week? Why? <nearly freaks out, then reads on and sighs in relief> Oh, phew, there will be one, don't do that! :)

**MILD SPOILERS FOR NEW DARK AGES EP**

Good job on Second in Command, all TGS Staff. The plot was excellent, and I really liked the development on Goliath, Demona, Hudson, and Iago, especially in their reactions to the spying plot. The action was good too and so was the art. This was definitely an important episode, glad it was handled well. Don't know what else I can say that hasn't been said already, except good job. I give the ep a 10, keep it up with however many eps are still in the season ahead.

**MILD SPOILERS FOR DA END**

Harry Potter Films: I personally would like for Spielberg to get his hands on them more than Fincher. Mostly because the books themselves are not dark, and Fincher only seems to be doing dark movies. But if he gets the director slot and does a good job I won't fault him. I know he'll do Voldemort and the other villains right anyway. :)

Jannie: <reads about principal> Jeez, I knew that woman was terrible, but hearing this goes beyond my expectations. They took the kid in, they should at least befriend him. <growl> May she soon perish from the rotting plague and join her soulmate Snyder (Buffy's principal) in Hell. There, now the woman's cursed. :) Good luck surviving her, for however much longer the nightmare lasts. Hope you soon get over the flu too. <grins, shoots Sli Sludge>

Demona's Intelligence: I can't really contribute much to this topic, it's all been said already (Kaioto's, Jenna's, and David G's posts being the best IMO). I'll just add that I agree with the viewpoint that Demona is currently too young and immature to scheme against the Archmage, but she is fast reaching the point where she may be able to do something. :) When she gets there, it will be a very interesting story. I also agree that she is a very smart gargoyle, if not the smartest alive. Not sure who that is, all the ones currently around seem pretty smart, just in different ways. Which is good, since they all have their strengths. Same deal for Macbeth, Xanatos, Coldsteel, etc, all are smart but in different ways. That's part of what makes them all interesting characters. :) The third point I agree on is that Demona's hatred is blinding her to much growth in her mental capacity, hope she's able to get around it soon. Overall, she remains a very interesting character, smartest gargoyle or not. Hope she continues to be so for a long time to come.

Fleur: Welcome back to you too. I agree about Y2K, hope none of those survivalists decide to use their stuff for apocalypse terrorism. Oh well, some of them are probably figuring they'll just wait for 2001 and something will happen then. <sigh>

Crzy: _Very_ nice Demona picture. That is definitely worth making a T-shirt. Better contact my friend Mark Garrison about it (he's a local T-shirt artist, has made Coyote's pic of me in garg form into a shirt recently among other things). Thanks for creating it and posting it up for all to see. <grin>

Xander as Spidey: I too think this would be a good idea. He would definitely be able to do Spidey's wisecracking image. Now if the movie can just find the right director and script so it doesn't end up the kind of c&*p I know X-Men's gonna be...

Nuking the Fay: Gyre, I really hate to say this, but I think you brought up this topic just to start an argument and assert that you're right and any contenders who disagree with you are wrong. I cite Todd's bit on the topic, and your response to it, as evidence. Please remember that the CR is not meant as a discussion board for things of this sort, and drop the topic, okay? As for my opinion on things, I only agree with you that some of the fay need to be shown the way the world is, and that most of them have already learned it (others have learned to take advantage of things being the way they are, of course, but that's only natural and thus not important). Otherwise I pretty much agree with Todd, Jenna, and Selanit. Destroying the Third Race would be genocide, and that is always wrong, no matter what our greivances with the victims. Also, like I said above, a lot of the fay are okay people. Therefore they should not all die. IMO, the Weird Sisters and Unseelie are definitely worthy candidates for death by iron firing squad. Oberon could also use a severe attitude adjustment as far as humans are concerned, but I don't think it should be lethal in his case. Most of the fay who are fairly disposed towards humans are that way because of him, after all. Titania I'm neutral on. Ordinarily I'd be mad at her deciding not to help the elfshot Elisa like she did last season, but since she did it for a good reason (helping Demona do it instead and thus advance farther down the road to goodness) I find myself welcoming the gesture. Besides, I can't really advocate the death of my favorite Third Race member, now can I? :) Grandmother, Anubis, Puck, and the other "good fay" should also not be put to death, at the very least they're worth too much to the world alive by making life more interesting. The ones who deserve the death penalty can have it, but not them.

The Cuban Boy: Don't know what to say about this topic, I personally just want the best for the kid, like a lot of folk. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what that is. Yeah, America is a good place, but we have our share of problems too. There's street violence, drugs, political corruption, an economy that may soon crash and burn if it doesn't slow down on its rise, parents who spoil their kids too much, racism, need I go on? Yeah, Cuba's a poor communist backwater, but at least it doesn't have all these things to the degree we do (at least as far as I know). Plus, the kid's father is there, and I've always been an advocate of children being raised by committed parents. At the same time I do agree that his mom's sacrifice shouldn't have been in vain and would not send him back to Cuba if the father was a bad guy of some kind (don't know if he is or not, yet). If the decison were up to me, I would probably have to investigate things further before making any choice. First I would want to know what the father can provide for the child and what kind of person he is, then I would want to find out the same from his relatives here. I would judge the custody suit on the people involved, not the countries. Of course, before I reached a verdict, I would have to ask a question no one has yet- How is Elian Gonzalez feeling, being fought over like this by so many people, and with whom does he really want to be?

And on that note, I'll leave you now. It's been a long day, and I need a rest. :) Thanks to all who took the time to read my comments, hope I didn't offend anyone with them (apologize if so). Hopefully I will be in better spirits next time. Later all!

**MORE RP COMING UP**

In the Avatar's hangar bay, all the Ravens are gathering around the Onslaught. "Hey Doug, Kit," Elena greets them. "What did I hear about being a bomb being on our vehicle?" "It's okay now, ER," Kit assures her. "Jammer disarmed it." "Oh good. Suprising, but good." "Hey!" Jammer growls. He is about to say more, but is interrupted by some horrid singing that causes several of the group to cover their ears. "Ew," Shauna mumbles. "What is that? It ain't rap, but it's worse." She is answered by the sight of Gubio and Erin pushing a VERY drunk Tom into the hangar. "Hey guys," Tom stops singing and grins between hiccups, walking over to them with a gait that suggests he's about to fall over. "How's it going?" "We found him like that in the bar," Gubio explains. "Must have been trying to deal with his depression over Agent Ripowski." "Looks that way," Doug nods. "Hey man, I'm fine," Tom smiles, waving his arm around and chuckling. "I ain't drunk. Look, I can say the alphabet backwards. Tebahpla eht. See?" He looks at everyone again, then suddenly vomits all over Jaden. "Whoops, sorry!" The werewolf looks at him and growls, only Boris and Keith's grabbing his arms stopping him from attacking. Erin walks forward and knocks Tom unconscious with a hard slap upside the head. "Now I know why the Prophet forbids alcohol," she says as the engineer slumps unconscious on the floor. "I'll take charge of him," Orion says. "Okay," Kit shrugs. "Put him in a room downstairs or something, I don't care." She rolls her eyes as the cleric walks off with Mist following, dragging Tom behind her by the scruff of his neck (his drunkenness is the only reason he's not being awakened by the pain). "Calm down, Jaden," Keith says as the werewolf lunges after them. "He wasn't in control of himself." Jaden looks at him and glares, then pulls his arms free of their gasp and storms off in a huff. "Wonder what his problem is?" says Boris. "Hello?" Stephanie asks. "Somebody just threw up on that guy?" "I think it's something besides that." "Whatever, Bore," Kit terminates the conversation. "Right now, we have to worry about the bomb." Keith frowns. "Didn't Jammer disarm it?" "That's the deal," Tricia says. "He says he did and it appears so, but he's not the best with explosives and..." "Say no more," Lathrop interrupts, looking at the bomb and casting a quick augury. "It's still dangerous. There's a remote control trigger." "There is?" Jammer gulps. "Uh, okay, I didn't see that before. Let me..." "No," Doug stops him. "We wait for the Avatar's bomb experts. You're not doing this anymore." "Good thing they're here now, man," Shap says, pointing at Miriam and an alien carrying a tool kit who are approaching from the elevator. "Whatever," Jim sighs. "Just hope they fix the damn thing so it won't blow." "Amen," agrees Doug. They all stand and wait as the Avatar people draw near. Meanwhile, outside, a large Protoss battlecruiser clears Earth's atmosphere and blasts into hyperspace. Seconds later, it comes out of hyperspace just past Saturn and then slowly turns around and begins approaching the station. "Soon," Leo diCaprio thinks as it gets closer. "Soon I will do what is necessary for Asil to be mine." He grins evilly as the screen goes blank.

**END THIS POST'S RP**
Kitainia
Friday, January 14, 2000 01:02:09 AM
IP: pool-207-205-146-123.dlls.grid.net

Well, FINALLY some good news. I kept checking the list Fire Storm pointed me toward, and finally found an ISP that didn't ask for a credit card number AND had a local dial-up. :D I signed up, but they won't activate the account until they receive the first payment, which is for two months at once. But that shouldn't be much of a problem. I just happened to have twenty bucks left in my wallet, and a $20 money order that _would've_ been sent to my current ISP if they hadn't pissed me off so many times. So, in a few days things should be smoothing out, finally. And when the new account is up and running, I will be here with Chibi-Duke to conduct a special...ceremony to...commemorate the event. *evil chuckle which blossoms into maniacal laughter*

Anyway, on to replies...

Y2K stuff: Hehe...I still have trouble accepting the idea that anybody HONESTLY believed the world would end at midnight on December 31st. To borrow one of Charles Nelson Reilley's lines from an episode of Millennium--"The new millennium will bring us one thousand years...of the SAME OLD _CRAP_!!!" ;)

Xanathar: <<Yeah!,Make that publishers life a living hell >:)>> Oh, I'm not gonna leave this guy alone. I haven't heard from him, but that's possibly because of my email problems. When that's fixed, we'll see...if I still don't hear anything from him, I'll keep after him until he either caves in or files a restraining order against me. :)

And speaking of dumb$h!t editors, a few days ago I got one of my stories returned again. I'd sent it to Asimov's back in October, and they finally sent it back (most likely without even reading it) and sent a standard rejection letter telling me that the story failed to rise above the other 800 or 900 manuscripts they received that month. Well, that tears it. I've spent literally thousands of dollars on this for ten years. Screw those magazine editors. They wouldn't know a good story if it was tattooed on the end of their own pricks. Playing by the rules hasn't gotten me anywhere, so I'm changing my tactics, starting with the moron who rejected Jock Itch. If I have to harass these people until their hair turns gray, then so be it. I'm not gonna take it anymore.

Fire Storm: <<I have this one customer that called me on Christmas eve, Christmas day, 8 times Sunday, and 5 Monday before I picked up the phone. I told him I was sick and to call back later in the week. He said that he would call back Tuesday or Wendsday.>> O_O Ye gods. I guess he didn't understand the concept of "later".... Reminds me of one I had last week--a woman called and wanted one of our "16-inch pizzas with pepperoni." Okay, fine. Our New Yorker is 16 inches. But as I was typing the order in, she said, "How big is that?" *blink...blink-blink* So I said, "The biggest one you'll ever see!" <> *applause* I couldn't agree more. It's the same with any network, I think. Just look at TNT, they canceled Crusade before it even aired just because there wasn't enough explosions and T&A.... <<Read your review. I take it that you reccomend the movie to everyone, right? :)>> Hehehe...yep. Absolutely. Everybody should see this movie...as an example of how NOT to make a movie. ;) About the Lexmark printer--"Good luck. You'll need it." *blinks* I have one, and never had any problems with it...

Gyre: Like that mini-fic. That would be so much fun... :D I'll send some feedback on Enter Laura ASAP. Things have just been more insane than usual, the last few weeks...

Christine: <Y2K idiot> Uhh...light bulbs? But...*aneurysm* qsdukfheubuxhe... <> *blinks* And this $h!thead has the power to decide whose stories will be published? That's it. That does it. Now I'm convinced. "Justice" is a concept that resides purely in the imagination. It doesn't exist in the world. This moron should be stripped naked and chased through the city streets by a large group of guys wearing leather masks and carrying bullwhips, and the whole thing should be videotaped and uploaded onto Repulsive.com ... As for Jericho's fate...Hoo-ah!!! For me, that'll be one of the most eagerly-awaited developments of the entire year. ^_^

Warpmind: I got your email the other day, but didn't have time to respond until this morning--and then my email wouldn't work. I noticed that it just now started working, so I hope it gets through. In case it doesn't, thanks for the info. Mandolin let me use "Moving on Up," and I've been working on it for a couple of days. I'm almost finished with it...heh, it's addictive. ONce I got started, I almost couldn't stop. I'll see if I can finish it in a day or two... Damn, this is fun! Oh, which reminds me--has anybody wanted to take a shot at one of my fics? I've been fading in and out so much that I don't remember if Mara is doing one of mine or somebody else's, or whatever... *blinks* I need more coffee...

Jannie: Harry Utter? :O Remember, when a door closes, a window opens. *hugs*>> *hugs back* Thanks. And if no windows open, I'll take a chainsaw and cut a hole in the f--king wall. ;-D Love that thing about the Congress. That's why I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. As far as I'm concerned, the ones running the government are all the same. Each group screws things up, just in different ways. ;) Honestly, I like Michael Moore's idea of downsizing the government and moving it to Tijuana, so we can pay them ten cents per hour. And then the White House could be filled by the homeless people who are tired of freezing across the street....

Simon: "Did I Shave my Legs for this?" That was the title track?? Oh gawd... Reminds me of a C&W song mentioned in William Gibson's novel Virtual Light (I don't know if it's a real song or one he just made up...but considering the ones I've already heard, it's entirely possible that it's real...)...the song's called "Jesus is Gonna Whup your Heathen Ass." O_o

SOROW: Lexmark printer, eh? That's the one I've got. :) Had it for something like two or three years, and never had any problem with it. The only down side is that ink cartridges for it cost almost $30 each. So when I have to replace both the black ink and the colored...*cringes*...

Redneck Rampage: I just won a copy of that on ebay. ^_^ I played the demo a while back, and laughed my ass off. I just love the way it starts--Leonard yelling "Holy sheeeiit!!" >8D And drinking beer and whiskey to increase your health level...nice touch, there. Of course, drink too much and you can't run straight... *insane giggle*

I just got a copy of Deer Avenger, too. heheheheheeeee! "I have pizza...and I'm naked." :D

Anne: Heh, actually, seeing one's parents get drunk and have hangovers the next day sounds amazingly entertaining. ;) "Better drive, mom and dad. You're too screwed up to walk..." :P

Aaron: <<Pictures Picard shouting at his crew: "Do not fire at Will, he is my number one!" :)>> ROTFLMAO!!! Good one. :) Actually, it's too bad Riker never called Picard "Number Two." ;)

Spacebabie: Yeah, that 2000 vs. 2001 thing is really frustrating. A lot of times people get pissed at me when I try to point out when the millennium _really_ begins. In which case I am forced to beat them to death with their own severed limbs. :) As for Dick Clark...I think he should've guest starred as an immortal on "Highlander." It would've explained a lot... The "Jess" situation--I'm so sorry this happened. Things like this drive me insane with rage. I absolutely DESPISE people who get off on playing around with other people's emotions. It's one of the most heinous things one person could do to another, and anybody who thinks it's just a "harmless prank" should get their asses kicked up between their shoulder blades. *hugs* This will pass, as everything does, but that doesn't make it any easier...but we're all here for you. I hope things are better now, and wish you luck with your classes at UCF, and a speedy recovery for your mother. :)

Gside: <<millennium: Well, we can always celebrate this one as the roll over of every single number in the date.>> Heh, I hadn't noticed that. Good point. :)

Zath: <<This is shaping up to be even more dull and depressing than Halloween was.>> I know the feeling. My New Year's Eve consisted of working more than 11 hours because the driver who was supposed to replace me that evening called in and said he wouldn't be there because he was drunk...then I just sat here in front of my computer, getting disconnected every five or ten minutes, doing a little writing, and so on. I ended up going to bed at somewhere around 2:15 AM...got to sleep a few minutes later...then was awakened at 2:30 by some son of a bitch who fired a shotgun outside my bedroom window. He's dead now. :) <> Why, thank you! 8D I guess I started fixing the typos and reposting them just in time... ;)

Wilek: <<After you've kicked the door off its hinges, I suggest you break it into a few pieces, carve one of the pieces into a stake, and drive the stake through the eye socket of the next idiot who rejects you out of hand...>> That would be too quick for him. :) Maybe I'll play accupuncture with some of the larger splinters... ^_^ Thanks for the compliments on the Dr. Moreau review. :D It was a lot of fun to write. I'll have to do some more reviews if I ever have time...I think the next product I'll review is ICQ. For some reason, it's really popular...but ever since I got the 99alpha version, I've had nothing but problems. When I chat with somebody, it either drops them from the chat, or freezes their windows, or kicks me out...I don't get disconnected from the net, just dropped out of the chat program. I "upgraded" to the 99beta version, and it's even worse. Quite often I get "illegal operation" error messages and the whole thing shuts down. So basically, I'm not using ICQ anymore. Screw 'em. <<Oh, BTW, did you ever get my e-mail? Because I had a rather difficult time sending it...>> Yeah, I got it. Koalas.com crashed...or something...and nothing could get through, so it probably got bounced back to you a few times. I got it, though, and will try to reply to it today or tonight. With everything hitting the fan lately, sometimes I feel like I'll never get caught up....

Doug and Kit: Welcome back! Good to see ya in here again!

Jenniren: Love those country music titles! ROTFLMAO!

SJ: (re: fics) My pleasure, bro. :) Sorry I haven't been around much, but RL has been especially vicious lately. I'm hoping that'll change soon.... As for the Uri Gellar thing...all I can do is shake my head. That guy just needs to be bitch-slapped. :) Excellent rant about the Rapture, etc. I agree--it makes me nervous to be standing too close to anybody who seems eager for the end of the world to happen...

Wilek again: <<Even if the thing was inspired by Geller, I'm not sure if what he's claiming was 'ripped off' can be copyrighted...if that were the case, then half a dozen studios could sue Mainframe for some of their parody cameo thingies in Reboot (anyone remember their Sailor Moon, Star Trek, and Indiana Jones binomes, not to mention the Ash User?)>> Heh, I missed some of those, but saw the Star Trek ones, and I remember glimpsing a pair of Mulder and Scully binomes in one of the final episodes. And one of my favorite cameo thingies was a battleship that was chasing the Saucy Mare--at one point, as the ship passed by, you could see the name painted on the side: SS CAMERON. And of course, the ship sank... >;) Oh, and I noticed Sorow mentioned that you had a birthday last month, so...HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :D

Aaron: <<Saw a bit of the festivities in Times Square. I kept expecting to see Demmie and Koz fly by in the background.>> LOL! That would've been something. Heh, this gives me an idea...when/if I get around to revising "Truce" and fixing the typos, etc, maybe I'll add a scene where they drop a water balloon on Dick Clark.... :P j/k <<Best Buy> I always find the staff to be *very* attentive. ie, they're following me around, acting like I'm going to stuff a DVD player under my coat and walk out with it.>> I've had the same thing happen very often, whether at Wal-Mart or Fred Meyer or anywhere else. A bald guy with sunglasses and a trenchcoat--he's bound to be trying to steal something or beat somebody up or whatever... *rolls eyes* The ones you REALLY have to watch out for are the white-collar criminals like Bill Gates...

Jewel: (Best Buy stuff) Ye gods! That's absolutely despicable! Rip those people a bunch of new @$$holes! Now that I've found out about this, if I'm ever near a Best Buy, I won't even _think about_ walking through their door. Screw 'em. In fact... *A Best Buy store materializes and Chibi-Octabrain floats into the CR, followed by Chibi-Duke. Pistoff points at the store and says, "Do 'em." Chibi-Octabrain floats through Best Buy's front door. A moment later screaming can be heard, followed by the wet splat of tearing flesh, and several mangled bodies of Best Buy employees explode out the windows. Chibi-Duke grins. "Yer face, yer ass, what's the difference?" Chibi-Octa returns, munching on something that used to be a spleen. Pistoff nods approvingly. "Excellent work."* There. I feel much better about life in general, now. =)

Coyote: <<case in point: a manga called "Star Trekkers" that was given a Cease-And-Desist riot act by Paramount.>> That figures. The people who feed at the Star Trek trough, as Harlan Ellison likes to phrase it, have no sense of humor or appreciation of the fact that these references are made in an affectionate way... Best Buy stuff--oh gods, you too? I hope those inept bastards go bankrupt.

Jannie: Well, it seems Best Buy is battin' a thousand, eh? I hope the above slaughter helped a little. ;)

Fire Storm again: Thanks for that ISP list again. It looks like one of 'em is finally gonna work out. 8D <<I don't want to go off on a rant here, but there is this guy that is calling me at LEAST twice a day for tech support. I HAVE BEEN SICK AND HE KNOWS THAT! yet he still calls. He calls on holidays, and even durring LM's birthday dinner. (Sorry LM). How do I cut him off?>> Well, my first tactic would be to annoy the guy until he can't bear the thought of calling you again. One way to accomplish this is to keep an empty potato-chip bag next to the phone. When this moron calls you, hold the bag up to the phone and start crumpling it and mumble, "Hello?...Hello? I'm sorry, I can't hear you? Are you still there...?" Then hang up on him. :D <<Hell, maybe all of us should sign a petition saying we will not shop there until your comp is replaced.>> Hey, I'm all for that! Where do I sign? :)

XenaTrek: (tech support) Oh...gawd. Those idiots who couldn't get your DVD-ROM to work should be forced to return the $200 to you. That's just ridiculous and wrong. They should be broken, screwed, and chased out of town like the rats that they are.

Jenna: <<the whole y2k scare was concerning IBM computer chips- call me suspicious, but I think Bill Gates knew about it, and let it happen- that way people wkould have to purchase more of his computers, and if the gov knew this they let it happen because it would boost the economy.>> I think you've hit the nail right on the head. The reason so much software has all these bugs that need to be fixed is because the company can sell upgrades and patches a few months later and take even more of our money. Bill Gates is the worst of them all. He's a greedy swine. That's why I stopped using Internet Explorer as soon as I discovered Neoplanet. ^_^

Brooklyn: My deepest condolences on the loss of your friends. Words are never adequate for something like this, but know that we're here for you.

Doug: <<But at least there wasn't any hate mail either.>> I'm glad to hear that. Writers work hard at what we do. We sit in front of our computers and tap buttons instead of going out and doing the things other people do (though some writers manage to do both...I have no idea how, since I barely have time to write...but if the choice is between writing and going to a party, I'll choose writing every time). Writers (usually, at least) work their asses off to make their stories as good as possible, and to be greeted by hate mail is the last thing any of us wants. Constructive criticism is fine--it's how we learn to improve our writing. But if anybody ever tells me, "This story is crap!"...they'd better be ready to run. (I'm sure you remember the time when somebody calling himself "Madoc Morfryn" pulled that kind of stunt with me, and paid a terrible price for it. *evil grin*) But be assured that you know what you're doing, you're good at it, and anybody who sends you hate mail is just some brainless punk asshole who's trying to pick a fight. <<It's like every scene comes out just the way I want it too, and that way is really bad writing. Or at least for some reason it looks that way to me. Any other writers in here ever felt like that? If anyone can tell me how to get through it, it'd be appreciated.>> Hmm...I haven't really gone through anything like that...I have certain plot points that I try to hit with each story, and when it goes the way I planned it, that's great. Though I do like it when the story starts to write itself, the characters seem to come to life and determine their own actions. But I get frustrated when a scene I'm writing veers off course and goes straight down the toilet, and nothing I do can pull it out. In either case, the best advice I could offer is to just get the scene done and move on to the next one. You can always go back later and change anything that doesn't seem to work, and if you wait a while you can look at it with a fresh perspective, and maybe a new idea will come to mind. Sometimes, though, it doesn't have to be pretty, it just has to work. The rough spots can be smoothed out later. :)

Jessie: Congrats on getting the scanner! You're gonna have a lot of fun with that... :D <<My sister broke one of our VCRs by putting (are you ready for this) a tape that she had spilled pop on into it when it was still wet.>> Ye gods...I just had a flashback to that commercial on TV with the kid feeding oatmeal or something into his dad's VCR.... Thank the gods, the only thing my mom ever did to our VCR was try to put a tape into it backwards...tried repeatedly... :P Sorry I'm taking so long to reply to your last email...I had one ready to send last night, and the latest storm knocked the power out just as I was clicking the send button, and I lost the whole thing. I'll make another attempt tonight...and believe me, I'll be saving the draft every ten seconds...

Jaden: Your millennium coundown--uh, count_up_ clock...LMAO! The marvels of modern technology, eh?

Xanathar: Nice Joyride. >8D Chibi-Duke says "Bitchin'!!!" ;)

David G: The flu--ye gods. I hope you're feeling better now.

Delphi: Garden shop permit problems--ack!! I hope this works out. I'm part of a dying business, myself, and it isn't fun, to say the least. I hope the people next door sign that waiver. We're rootin' for ya. :)

Belated happy birthday to Clancy Brown. :) He's one of my all-time favorite actors. We don't get to see enough of him...

Simon: Your stalker--that is SO wrong! Whoever it is, I hope he/she develops premature arthritis and is unable to type on a computer...

Zath again: <> Already? Wow... :) I love the pics you sent. I'll try to add them to my site tonight, if nothing else goes wrong... <<The other, a quick doodle I decided to color, might be better off never seeing the light of day, the glow of screen, or whatever, but I�ll let you draw your own conclusions when you see them.>> Actually, I love that one. :D I saw it after a truly rotten day, and that picture put a smile on my face for the first time in at least six hours. Thanks! 8D

Highlander 4: Well, I'll probably go see it out of morbid curiosity, if I ever have a couple of hours to spare. Honestly, the first movie said everything that needed to be said on the entire matter. Everything else is not only redundant, but makes no sense because at the end of the first movie, it was OVER! Connor was the last immortal. That's it. Period. Highlander II at least put forth an interesting way to continue the battle that didn't really clash with what happened in the first movie...too bad the rest of the film made no sense at all. The Director's Cut of "II" made quite a bit more sense and is actually pretty good if you ignore the "Highlander" connection (one night I compulsively bought the widescreen version of the Director's Cut...for some reason, I just couldn't stop myself...). The third one, however, sucked like a Dirt Devil. It not only clashed with the end of the first movie (let's face it, in "III" Connor finds out there's three immortals left...but if that was the case, why the hell did he receive "the Prize" at the end of the first film?), but it was also nearly a scene-for-scene remake, only with better special effects. I hope the next film at least makes sense and is watchable....

Speaking of unwatchable movies...I'm afraid I'm in the minority here, but what the hell. Rocky Horror Picture Show: Without a doubt one of the worst films I've ever seen. Of course, I hate musicals anyway, but this one...*shudders*...

Warpmind again: <<Just got through your three last 'fics. Love'em.>> Wow...why, thank you! 8D <<Let me guess... you liked "Event Horizon", didn't you?>> Ehh...actually, no. I saw Even Horizon shortly after it was released on VHS, and I must say it was absolutely dreadful, a total piece of crap. I would've demanded my $3 back if I'd thought they would do it.... It started out promisingly enough...I really like the design of the ships and the way everything looked...but then it just degenerated into a typical "scary movie" that wasn't the least bit scary. The only reason there were any references to that film in "Creeper" is because Denis wrote the outline and for some reason he seems to like Event Horizon. Of course, he's been putting a lot of Buffy references in his outlines, too--and I hate that show with a passion. I tried to watch it several times, but could never sit through more than five minutes. I honestly don't understand the appeal. I can't stand vampire crap anyway, and this show's popularity is a constant irratant to me. Heh...didn't mean to go into a rant, but I just wanted to make clear who was responsible for those references. (By the way, I felt that there were far too many Buffy and Angel references in part 2 of Injustice for All...and several people have told me the same thing...and that was even after I'd edited out several of the references...but from now on, I'll be cutting down on that stuff even if it's in the outlines... *g*) Oh, and I got your email with the line for the revenge page...I'll update the site as soon as I have time... :)

Tim P: I love your ideas for Aliens 5. :D Go for it!

Wilek again: <<If I didn't know better, I would think your ISP was AOL. ;P>> Honestly, I think even AOhelL would provide more competent service than the scuds I'm currently stuck with. But in a few days, with luck, that will change. <<Once you're back online, or at least reliably so, why don't we give these idiots a Joyride they'll never forget...>> heh heh heh...Chibi-Duke will handle that... >:)

Warpmind again: <<If your ISP is screwing up, and you are the victim, victimize THEM.>> Heh heh heh...MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAH! *cracks knuckles* :) <<Why haven't you left your ancestral home for a better place?>> Well, I'd like to, but that would require an amount of money that I don't have and probably never will...if I had a job lined up wherever I was planning to move to, I'd give it a shot...but my job-hunting experience has showed me that the people invariably decide not to hire me the instant I walk in the door--even when I dress "nice" for the occasion. Once, a video store kept one of their positions open for three months after I turned in the application...rather than interview me, they just kept the hole in their schedule for three months. *shrugs* Besides, idiots like the ones I talk about are EVERYWHERE. There's just no escape. If it weren't the ones I deal with, it'd be somebody coming in and asking for rebuilt antifreeze... ;)

Aaron again: Happy birthday! 8D

Spacebabie again: <<This guy on New years eve got drunk and fired what he thought was an empty nail gun into his head. The next day at work his boss noticed that he had a bruise on his temple. He went to the dr and the x-ray showed he had a 6 inch nail in his head...>> Ye gods...somehow, that reminds me of a news story I read once (though there was no stupidity involved in this one) about a construction worker who fell and got knocked out...and when he woke, he realized that he had one of those huge drill bits stuck in his skull. There was nobody else around, so he had to go into the building and look in the bathroom mirror, switch the drill into reverse and...back that sucker out of his skull. O_O

Jessie again: Your embarrassing moment--eek! *L* But it could've been worse. One night, my boss was putting some pizza into the proofer (the thingy that heats 'em up and makes 'em raise, for anybody who doesn't know...), and...heh...for some reason, she shut the proofer door on her head. *blinks* Uh...how...? Or do I even want to know? :P

Okay...finally caught up with the two previous CRs. The words are blurring and running together, so I'd better take a break before anybody starts making jokes about why I went blind. ;) (And blindness is not caused by _that_...trust me on this one, I know what I'm talking about. ;) Anyway, I'll try to catch up with the current CR ASAP...

Gonna try to reply to a couple of emails soon...with luck, it may even work...
Pistoff - [phred@koalas.com]
Friday, January 14, 2000 12:59:08 AM
IP: 64.5.12.123

Lexy> posting sounds: The way I would do it, if you have an account on a web server, would be to bury the sound in an unused subdirectory on the server, then post a link. (see mine for an example)
Kindred Spirits: Dark Ages season 2, ep. 10. Check the archive.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:49:26 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Hey..just where _is_ Kindred Spirits???? Can somone tell me? or is it not posted yet?
Lexy
Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:25:34 PM
IP: abd00781.ipt.aol.com

*waves to everyone who said hi* *G* I am going to post better tommorrow but im so tired *has to sleep* I was just wondering if anyone out there can post sounds in the comment room cuz i wanted to post that Lexington wanting to be a backstreet boy sound bite but I dont know how. thanks!
Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:19:00 PM
IP: abd00781.ipt.aol.com

**shuffles his feet as he enters, collapsing on the wall ... this time not exactly happy**

No, I'm not coming from the gym ... I had a class for my job today ... but then at the first break I get a call from the store: "Can you come in and work after you're done, someone called in." I get there after the class and find out that *two* people called in, and I get stuck working six days this week (true, today was only less than 3 1/2 hours, but still ... it's the principle of the thing!!) :(

Crzy: Great pic, I must agree ... I'm looking forward to the next one. :)

Jessie Feff: Trust me ... it's worth it to suffer through Sorceror's Apprentice, if only to get to Firebird 1919. Of course, me and my mother also enjoyed Pomp and Circumstance as well (considering my mother *hates* Donald Duck, that's saying something) because both of us are "helpless romantics," as she puts it. :)

Anne: My thanks for your compliments. Have you sampled the rest of my work, beyond what's at the GFW? If you like, follow my name link to my site which has the 35 stories that precede WCC. :)

XenaTrek: Disney? Coolies, we can get someone on the inside (so to speak) ... ;) **huggles**
Oh, and as far as I recall, MSU's soft drink contracts went Coke for fountain outlets and Pepsi for vending ... that's why there were nothing but Pepsi machines, but in the cafeterias and sports arenas the fountains give Coke.

Snow: We're glad we don't live in Cleveland, I understand they got it worse'n us.

FS, re: Auto Hall of Fame: I certainly don't doubt it's changed since me and XenaTrek were there. I'd love to see it now, especially with the kind of knowledge about cars that I have now from my job. :)

SOROW, re: Austria: Way to go, girl! Let us know what Austria's like, I don't know how many of us in the States have ever been there (I know I haven't.). I have every confidence that you can raise the money. **hugs**

Useless factoid: The name of the Sorceror's Apprentice wizard is Yensid, which if you look carefully you'll see it's someone's name spelled backward, because he was based on his reverse-namesake. :)

That's all from me for now ... **crawls out of the room, not looking forward to having to wake up super early tomorrow**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:13:17 PM
IP: 209.252.248.87

Attn: TGS staff
Would the writers of "Gothic Twilight" please contact me in regards to your story illustrations? I'd like to get started ASAP and your email addys were not available with the story. Thanks!!

There was a earlier mention of Lex pics down the page so here's my latest -- but the little girl in the pic is the property of Christine Morgan!
Spike - [cshayden@juno.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:52:30 PM
IP: pppt13-152.ght.iadfw.net

Hellooooo to all! I have some very exciting news, but it's not really definite. I've been invited to dance in Austria for a week this July!!!! This invitation only goes out to those who made All-American in summer camps, and I really, really hope I can go. There's even a tour to Venice, Munich, and Innsbruck. It's going to cost $3,000 so I'll have to have my parents say it's okay. I guess I have to start fundraising now, huh?
SOROW
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:04:44 PM
IP: dll2a010-0635.splitrock.net

Warpmind> <<Military intelligence>>: Perhaps the most famous oxymoron...

XenaTrek> Soda machines: At Rutgers, Coke owns your soul. There is no way you can get any Pepsi product in a University owned building. However, judging from the fact that the majority of the now deceased can tower was Mountain Dew (!$@# pun-I still don't get it), we have no real problems supplying ourselves.

David G.> cat o' nine tails: Haven't heard that, But I'd believe it.

Warpmind> Nukes: That was Gyre, not me.

Selanit> Are you gunning for Toku's position?
Earthsea trilogy: Yep, I've red 'em. What is the power in a name?

Fire Storm> <<25kg of anti-mater>>:That would release ~4.5*10^18 Joules of energy. 1 Megaton releases 4.2*10^15 J. Therefore, that is about 1000 Megatons.

I was going to say something, but I forgot. **random cheering**

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, January 13, 2000 07:27:47 PM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

I'd like to point out that when I say put the fey under the nuclear gun, that does not necessarily mean nuke them out of existance, though some deserve it. I mean drive home to the fey that they are no longer above events, and that their manipulations, and interferance could come back to haunt them if they are not careful. And in truth, I think some fey have figured this out already. Danu comes to mind.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 07:22:58 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp87.fltg.net

Ahh, a double post...

SJ: About that Cuban kid. I have to disagree with you. I think he should go back to his father. Now, originally, I felt he should stay her--his mom and stepfather died to get him here, this is a free country and Cuba isn't, at the very least his father should have to come to the US and petition for custody like everyone else, blah-buh-de-blah.
And then I read an article in Salon.com, and while it was too bleeding-heart liberal in many places, it had some good points that pretty much changed my mind when I thought about it. I won't go into all the details here; I'll just post the link to the article and let anyone who wants to read it go to it.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2000/01/13/gonzales/index.html

Also: this edition of salon has an interesting (and kinda creppy when you think about it) cover story of how the government is getting it's anti-drug message into prime-time TV shows. Definite read.

OK, off to make myself soup and go to bed. Or write. Whatever.
jewel
Thursday, January 13, 2000 06:53:53 PM
IP: spider-wb012.proxy.aol.com

Hey, all. Sorry I've been rather non-existent here lately--I've managed to pick up some bug that's had me sneezing my head off and feverish. Bleh.

Wilek: Don't worry about Max--it's normal for snakes to not eat during winter; last winter, he only ate twice in three months, and it looks like he'll do the same this winter (last winter was the first winter he decided to skip meals, and it terrified me to no end--it wsa only because he was still active that I didn't flip out and resort to something drastic, like force-feeding him).

SJ: Normally, the cuteness doesn't stop me from feeding the little furballs to Max...only since he's not eating them, I'm kinda stuck. ALthough Vlad is likely to go back into the snake's lair next week, since he cr@ps all over the place (Mina doesn't) and my big brother said it was likely Mina woulnd't mate with him since he's albino and she isn't (dang it, if I'm gonna be stuck with more rats, I better get *more* rats so I don't have to buy Max any more to feed him). Although it was sadistically fun to see my big brother trying to get Vlad out of teh cage and puthim into the plastic "rat ball" i bought--he kept mumbling, "Great, I'm gonna get but by a rat!" and then, when he finally got Vlad into the thing (Vlad almost escaped), he said, "OK, soccer time!" and pretended to kick the rat ball.
<snort> And I wonder why the rats get skittish if anyone gets near their cage...

Coyote: Three points for you!

Microsoft: the gov't wants to split them up. Ahh, the true Great Satan falls...and a new one (AOL-Time/Warner) rises to take it's place...
jewel
Thursday, January 13, 2000 06:44:31 PM
IP: spider-wb012.proxy.aol.com

heh, life could be worse... it could be snowing here ;) I hate snow. It's 80 degrees here today.

I've been to the Wal-Mart museum! *silly grin* I really have... it's located in Bentonville, Arkansas. Very interesting stuff too.

*curls up in Denis's lap* *sniffles, coughs, and sneezes*
Jannie
Thursday, January 13, 2000 06:00:19 PM
IP: 196-151.c.esc4.net

I WANT ANSWERS!!!!!!!!

To any and all who are connected to the Fan Fiction archives at the GFW...
I cannot access my fanfic account nor am I able to set up a new one. I have followed the instructions to the letter and it still doesn't work. Please correct the problem very quickly. I have not been able to use it in MONTHS. I sent numerous notes to you and they have not been replied to or the problem fixed. Please get in contact with me and have the problem fixed immediatly.
Tim Phipps - [dtkphipp@pionet.net]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 05:47:41 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Hi all, wow wonderful disscussions in here today!

CrzyD>>GREAT pic of Demie
catch you all later
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Thursday, January 13, 2000 03:20:50 PM
IP: twin58gg.magiclink.com

Fire Storm:> Re: Coyote.... we will take you to the "Automotive Hall of Fame." I know you would love it because LM's dad (works at Ford) and her sister loved it! >> I believe Coyote and I went there years ago... I think it was in 96 or 97. Wonder if it changed much. << Re: Hmm... good stuff or bad stuff? <G> If all goes well, we will be going to G2K. >> Hmmm.... that's for you do decide *L* good stuff! Be sure to let me know. << Re: Don't worry. Only 3 inches of snow. This year a flurry is a severe weather advisory. >> *L* Thats good. *hugs*

XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, January 13, 2000 03:20:29 PM
IP: gopher0.national.aaa.com

Aaron wander in, looks at Crzy's pic, and stops. Like for five minutes. Hyena-chan runs up, steals his wallet, and runs off before he can shake himself out of his trance.

Crzy> (Wipes away drool) Ye know, I'm not sure a shirt is the right medium for that pic. And I've still got plenty of space on my back... ;)

Fleur, Lexy> Welcome back.

Toku> Unless that quote is from Those Who Hunt Elves, I've got no clue.

Warpmind> A joust eh? Well, you get lance and get on your ostridge, and I'll.... have a pointless eighties flashback. Sorry. As for the Way of the Sword, I prefer the Way of Smith & Wesson myself. (And no, that is not the art of being a smart@$$)

Xanathar, Greg "X" B., anybody else who wants a shirt> If Crzy's agreeable, and I can figure a way to do it so I don't make any money off it, and thus don't attract the attention of the mouse, I wouldn't be adverse to making more. But why don't we wait and see what the design looks like after adding the legs and tail? I know I'm shivering with antci-

pation.

Jannie>Ugh, I've had that happen. Where? Best Buy, where else?

Jenna>Congrats on the new bike.

SJ> Meant to mention this earlier. About Lexx, you were cheesed that they blew up the planet. That's apparently the running gag of the show. *Every* planet they visit gets blown up. It's kind of like killing Kenny, just on a grand scale.

And now I've got to catch Hyena-chan before she spends all my cash on "entertainment" items for she and Xellos.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, January 13, 2000 03:04:20 PM
IP: ppp-78.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Xanathar: I got System Shock 2! YEAH!
<but judging buy your IP address,you've got a T2 line so that shouldn't be to much of a problem>
I *SO* wish! The T2 part of my IP addy is the T2 line my ISP uses to connect to the net. I am trying to get a DSL line, though.
I never thought I would want to buy a Barney book!
< PII 233 64 meg of RAM,V3 card,Soundblaster Live with a Cambridge soundworks Sub woofer and four satellite speakers.
OH! OH! I can beat that!

Doom2: Did you know that game will actually work on a 386? It worked ok on mine. (As long as you have it at the absolutely smallest window!)

Coyote: Oh, I noticed something as you were pulling away Monday. When we were late for the show, we parked right in front of your car!
Next time you come down here (on a weekend. Weekdays are a mess to clear), we will take you to the "Automotive Hall of Fame." I know you would love it because LM's dad (works at Ford) and her sister loved it!

Pistoff: Well, I tried. Good luck anyway!

XenaTrek: 
Hmm... good stuff or bad stuff? <G> If all goes well, we will be going to G2K.
<Severe Weather advisory>
Don't worry. Only 3 inches of snow. This year a flurry is a severe weather advisory.

Gside: How many megatons would a detonation of 25kg of anti-mater cause? (I realize this would yeild a detonation resulting from the mater-energy conversion of 50kg of whatever the material is.)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 02:23:03 PM
IP: t1-47.visitus.net

Warpmind: <<Send in a few USMC teams armed with automatics and iron-tipped bullets, then maybe... well, I think even Oberon would ponder exile, then... >> If you are anyone else ever decides to write a story like that or any other military Sci-Fi , I found a web page put up by a retired Marine NCO who is a big science-fiction fan who got sick of all of those ridiculous Jackie Chan and Rambo type movies. The site offers info on martial arts, small unit tactics, equipment, and the future of warfare (directed energy weapons, battle suits, ect ).
Tim P.
Thursday, January 13, 2000 01:56:13 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Boy, we really do need a piccy of Oberon in here--

Warp- I don't get your comment. Are we on the same page? In the same book? Granted those have been used to get people what they want, but I was talking about more intellectual problems vs. relationships.

One thing about Demona that I will give her- she is one hell of a manipulator. What ever she lacks for in intellect, this more than makes up for it. I don't know if I would put that in the same basket as creative thinking though- Lex is more of a canidate for creative thinking, as is Brooklyn.

nuke the fae? Uh no. Yes the fae have done some bad things, but guess what folks, so have we. Let he who has done no wrong be the one throw the first nuke...something to think about...
jenna
Thursday, January 13, 2000 01:55:42 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

I hate missing coming here for three days and then having to catch up ... probably won't remember half of what I wanted to say ... anyway:

Damien > I am probably going to post Part One tomorrow; a word of explanation might be in order about the title but that would give too much away so just trust me, okay? And this'll be a mature-eyes-only one; it's pretty gory in places and of course there is some sex ... whaddaya want, it's a Jericho story! ; )

Sabledrake > next issue should be ready Feb. 1st. We're aiming for the beginning of each month. Theme for Feb. is "Romance", and our cover will be courtesy of our own CrzyDemona! Still plenty of time to send in submissions!

And speaking of submissions > Avalon Mists can always use more! Need Character Spotlights, Parties on Avalon, etc. And I am very thrilled to say that Michael sent me a heap o' toons and they are _hysterical_!!!

Spike > got it, LOVE it! Becca will go NUTS! Thank you!

Other stuff > I plan / hope to update my site and catch up on e-mail tomorrow; if you've been waiting to hear from me, apologies, shouldn't be much longer!

Crzy > lovely pic! You should just start selling the T-shirts; I know I'd buy one!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 01:20:30 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

PS Anyone read _A Wizard of Earthsea_, _The Tombs of Atuan_, or _The Farthest Shroe_ by Ursula K. LeGuin? Fantastic books. I recommend 'em.

<G>
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:54:52 PM
IP: leicester.lancs.ac.uk

Nuking the fae> Personally, I think this is a sickening idea. They're *people* -- some good, some bad, most in between. It *would* count as genocide.

Besides which -- they are what we have made them. The fae of the gargoyles universe are a creation of humans, namely the folks at Disney/Buena Vista and later the TGS crew and fandom in general. They have human motivations and human ambitions and human feelings, because they were created by *humans.* We may try to envisage them as alien creatures, with alien motivations, but any such attempt is bound to fail, because any motivation we are capable of imagining is automatically human in nature. If we can concieve of an emotion, it is human. If we can imagine a feeling, it is human. If we can name an impulse, an action, a reason, it is human!

We have created the fae, and the image we have created them in is our own. There is no aspect of humanity they do not reflect. And the fact that we have given them power merely magnifies their human traits; in them we see all the potential for evil that we find in ourselves, magnified and focussed a hundredfold. There is good in them as well -- power for such good as saints have only dreamed of.

But we see only the evil, the bad, and we wish to destroy that evil because it is our own evil. And it wouldn't work. Trying to destroy the fae would be like trying destroy one's shadow. Shining a light to banish one shadow creates another shadow in its stead. If we destroyed the fae, we would only go on to create some other race or object to replace them.

We are human. We love, we hate, we live, we die, we laugh, we learn, we forgive, we weep, we forget, and we blame. When we have destroyed our own creations, who shall we send a rainbow to?
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:52:36 PM
IP: leicester.lancs.ac.uk

Todd Jensen: Titania better? Are we talking about the same Titania who refused to heal Elisa siting the law forbidding interference in mortal affairs? A law the fey seen to bend all to hell when it suits them. Perhaps you like being a fey's pawn, but I think it's time to jam down the fey's throat that their meddling, and gambling with mortal lives is no longer acceptable. Killing the Wierd Sisters for creating Demona, then placing Avalon under the nuclear gun would do exactly that. And if you still say Titania is not so bad, remember Titania gambled with Elisa's life that Demona would do the right thing.
Gyre - [wseeley@epis.net]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:40:41 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp87.fltg.net

NUKING THE FAY - I don't know about this. True, a lot of the Third Race are problems, but a good many of them (such as Grandmother and Anubis) do show a lot of maturity and responsibility, and many of them have learned better (as Titania did). Also, isn't this coming dangerously close to genocide? We all agree that Demona's efforts to wipe out humanity and Castaway's efforts to wipe out the gargoyle race were wrong; why is it that we feel differently about destroying the faerie-folk? What is it about them that makes their complete destruction not count as genocide?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:01:35 PM
IP: 216.87.46.237.dialup-stl.primary.net

Warpmind:Your idea for sending in the marines to blow the fey away is a good one, and certainly less impersonal then nuking Avalon out of existence. But how can you say a nuke would not be efficient enough to take out Avalon, and wouldn't that be a function of the yield of the device? If you look at history, in one of the H-bomb test in the pacific, an entire island was vaporised. If memory serves, that yield of that device was 35 megatons.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:47:12 AM
IP: fltg3-ppp87.fltg.net

*Warpmind comes limping in, cursing a blue streak all the while, and rubbing various obviously painful parts of his own anatomy. Maggie-chan follows in, using her own wings as means of transportation.*
When I get my hands, sai, knife, whip and cane-sword on that damn director of traffic management around here, he'll wish he was never born... the sidewalk is in a condition of... well, you are familiar with the term "Bambi on ice" around here, right?

Oh, well, on to replies.

Xanathar: You've upgraded the old 486 to a P200? I hate you. ;)

Gside: A nuke might not be efficient enough to take out Avalon. Send in a few USMC teams armed with automatics and iron-tipped bullets, then maybe... well, I think even Oberon would ponder exile, then...

*Warpmind blinks at the CR.*
You know, I'm actually amazed. None of you have made any Anne Rice jokes about my name yet... true, I specifically asked you not to, but with you guys... wel, thanks anyway.

Jenna: You say Demona lacks "creative intelligence"... well, it is said that if sex can't fix it, violence will. Or vice versa. Choose sequence of experimentation according to own better judgement. ;)

Well, catch you guys later...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:37:09 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Jenna comes pedaling in on a bright red mongoose 10 speed bike. After she breaks she says, "like my bike- the best thing about her- I didn't pay a cent for her- not one red cent- someone was moving at the new apt complex that I live at now and they were getting rid of it-- awesome condition, and under about 2 years of storage- guess it was sitting in storage.

Jannie- get better hon-

Hmmm- Intelligence of Demona- this is a good topic- I think she is reasonably intelligent, but not genius; she knows what she knows because of the time she has had to accumilate that knowledge.

When I first read this topic something immediately came to mind, here is my two bits.

How do we precieve intelligence? We usually precieve intelligence by accumilation of facts, grades, and exterior signs. Having come from an intellectual family, I know that there is a thing such as "intellectural snobbery" where intelligence becomes synomous with arrogance.

Being intelligent is often seen as being aloof, cold, and belonging to this intellctual snobbery. Yet this is not the measure of intelligence. Also intelligence is not necessarily as important as the ability to grow and learn.

Where do these beliefs/opinons come from - well from my own experience. Someone once told me that they were amazed as to the fact that I was "very intellgent" because I was, so nice. Apparently being kind is synomous with being stupid to many people. and in the working world that is very true- if your not a shark, you're a yutz. And because I don't show off my trivia knowledge to my family, they often underestimate me-

As for school- school is an institution first and formost. Some people thrive in a structured atmosphere, some do not. Remeber Eistien flunked out, Edison was kicked out. Grades don't necessarly mean intelligence, they mean you can spit back the necessary information, and you know how to thrive in this particular institution.

There is a certian level of intelligence that I like to call "creative thinking". Rather than the assimilation of various facts, this type of thinking sumises the ability to be able to look at things in a new way. In a differnt way. This type of intelligence I find more valuable, and more productive than the usual accumilation of factiods.

AS for Demona, she has a lot of intelligence. It does take someone with some brain to know the various languages, and spells that she does. But she has no "creative intelligence". She cannot think of a new way to address an old problem. Her hatred has stunted her growth in this area. But that is the nature of hatred and bitterness.

jenna
Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:48:38 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Anne>> re: "Kindred Spirits" pic>>
*laughs* Actually, when I was drawing that particular picture and had the Trio and the Apprentice pencilled in, I realized I needed some more little gargs. My son Ryan was sitting in the next room watching TV in exactly that pose so I just garged him up a bit and put him in the picture. Any resemblance to Aiden is purely coincidental.

Christine>> Interesting email coming your way today!
Spike
Thursday, January 13, 2000 09:33:54 AM
IP: ppp41-70.ght.iadfw.net

Jannie:ACK!!,get well soon.

Gotta' get some sleep,goodnight everyone.!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Thursday, January 13, 2000 09:30:48 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

One quick thing, I may have time for a longer post later.
Gside> Would it interest you to know that the "captain's daughter" is probably a reference to a cat-o-nine-tails? I have a friend who's an amature historian. Nautical history is one of his fields. He tells me that that verse is refering to beating the sailor into unconsciousness with a whip.

Somehow that makes more sense than a literal interpritation of the lyrics, so I tend to believe him. (Sounds like a lot of fun for punishing DC, too.)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:59:05 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*shuffles in with blanket wrapped over shoulders* this flu is the pits. eesh, I haven't had the flu in years so I guess it's making up for lost time.

Thanks to all who have offered their names for my worksheets. :) I've used them all many times over now.

TRIVIAL MINI-RANT
The other day when I was leaving Wal-Mart, I was detained at the exit by a sweet elder lady who was checking receipts and packages. (She saw me come from the register) She wanted to see my receipt and I asked her why. Shocked, she said, "because management tells me to". I told her that I understood she was following orders but that unless she had reason to suspect me of shoplifting, it was none of their business and the merchandise was mine. She was not allowed to detain me nor search my personal belongings without just cause. I'm tired of being assumed that I am of the 1% that shoplifts from the store and I'm tired of waiting in line to get OUT of the freakin' store. I'm sure that the fact that I had already been standing for over 8 hours and was in the beginning stages of the flu had something to do with my irritability and lack of patience. Too bad, too sad. Unless they have a reasonable cause or they suspect me of shoplifting (and it's not posted anywhere that packages/receipts would be checked at the exit) then they can bite me. Not all Wal-Marts do this & I told the manager that I would spend my money at the ones who do not automatically assume that everyone is a criminal.
END OF TRIVIAL MINI RANT

Now, I will drag this flu-ridden body back to bed and wait until it's time to talk to Denis on the phone :)

Don't forget that Injustice Part 2 is now out for your reading pleasure ;D *shameless plug*
Jannie
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:49:55 AM
IP: 196-066.c.esc4.net

Coyote & Fire Storm: >> Just saw that parts of Michigan (actually Lansing as pose where you two are, Dearborn/Algonac) was under "Severe Weather Advisory"... the white stuff as returned? Be safe guys. *hugs*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:10:00 AM
IP: gopher0.national.aaa.com

Assuming it might one day be possible to open a portal to Avalon through science, putting Avalon under the nuclear gun would serve to jam down the throats of all fey that humans are no longer what they once were, and that their continued manipulations might blow up in their faces. And as for calling the fey a superior race, bull. They are powerful, long lived, but can be killed, have weaknesses that can be exploited. Make them battle on your terms, and you win. The problem with immortals is that they've never faced death, they wouldn't know how to handle it if suddenly confronted with the possibility that they might suddenly die.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:07:45 AM
IP: fltg2-ppp16.fltg.net

CrzyD> I LOVE THE PIC!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! Demona looks so sexy in that pic, and we all know how I feel about Demona. Arron, I'd be interested in a T-Shirt too.

::Walks off saying to himself "Gotta have it, gotta have it, gotta have it..."
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:07:08 AM
IP: 166.109.44.131

Doug: > Thanks for not making a big deal out of my pairings last week, ... >> You're welcome. *hugs*

Mara: > WWF >> After talking with you last night, I realized that I do know some WWF wrestlers.... Stone Cold Austin, the Minn. Governer... Venturea? and of course "The Rock". Sorry if I 'lied' when I said I didn't know anything about WWF. My brothers watch more WCW than WWF. Anyway, have fun at the 'show' on the 23rd. I hope you get to 'touch' your heart-throbs. :o)

Spacebabie: > Re: Soda Machines >> Sorry to hear that they broke down. Question, actually its more of a curiosity survey... does UCF have more coke or pepsi machines thru-out campus? At Michigan State, there is *always* a pepsi machine, rarely a coke. And I think U. of Mich is more coke than pepsi. How about the rest of you (if you can recall your college days).

Coyote: >> I should know about my 'Freelance' opportunity with the graphics division today, tomorrow or Monday. Hopefully my current firm will find me something soon. I *am* however gonna go down to the Disney casting center to pick up an application... I found out why they dont talk to you when you only give them your resume. They want the application first before considering a resume. (Talk about a democracy!) I'll keep you posted. Talk with you tonite.

Re: Fantasia 2K: >> Coyote told me they only kept "The Socerer's Apprentice" in the new one then there are a half dozen new ones. My friend is still re-arranging his schedule for next week, so hopefully we'll get to see it then.

FireStorm: > I think you already told me... but are you and LM coming down for G2K? Coyote told me quiet a bit about you two, and if you are, I look forward to meeting you.

Talk with you all later. *runs back to desk to give it a good clean*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, January 13, 2000 08:00:10 AM
IP: gopher0.national.aaa.com

Hi all!!

Forgive me if some of this is old but I have a lot of catching up to do.:(

Fleur:I know that I said this in my Email the other day but Welcome Back :)<<Thanks for letting everyone know I was okay>>I was happy to help :)<>I noticed ;),all those thankyou's made my week*Hugs*<<As for that web-site� LOL!>>*snickers*,The newly revised Barney theme song...."I love you,you love me,and I love Pornography..." >;)

Lexy:Welcome back!:)<<*LOL* nice barny site>>HehHeh,I've always hated that dinosaur(Give me seasame street anyday) and when I saw that website I was*ROTFLMAO*>:)

Crzy:That picture of Demona is @#$%!*! KEWL!!! :),Aaron if your going to make more of those T-shirts,I'd be interested.:)

Wilek re Barney website:<<Dear gods... O_O'>>Your suprised!?!(J/K):)<>I agree,that was my favorite piece from Fantasia.<<If I heard Lex say he wanted to be one of the thrice-accursed Backstreet Boys, I'd probably go on a self-destructive killing spree. >;P>>No need,we Joyrided them remember.>;)

Warpmind:<<You had that game when you had a new 486, too? Me too, and I still have that game. Unfortunately, I'm also still stuck with the same 486...>>I've still got the game but the 486 has since been converted into a P200(the PC I'm using at the moment is a PII 233 64 meg of RAM,V3 card,Soundblaster Live with a Cambridge soundworks Sub woofer and four satellite speakers.

Anne:<<Yoo-hooooo?? Anyone awake??? Xanathar??? Someone??? Me Mother and I did a naughty thing and bought fudge for ice cream, and she just allowed me to have a bowl (she got up to go put one of our yowling cats downstairs). So I might be staying up a little more--or a lot--later then I usually do. Goodie :)>>Yep I'm here,cool you got a sugar rush,this could be fun,I think I'll stick around for a while:)

C'yas'later

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Thursday, January 13, 2000 06:43:30 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

*Knock knock*
Yoo-hooooo?? Anyone awake??? Xanathar??? Someone??? Me Mother and I did a naughty thing and bought fudge for ice cream, and she just allowed me to have a bowl (she got up to go put one of our yowling cats downstairs). So I might be staying up a little more--or a lot--later then I usually do. Goodie :)
Anne
Thursday, January 13, 2000 05:31:52 AM
IP: 204-246-241-203.nas2.apv.gblx.net

*Warpmind and Maggie-chan come rushing in.*
Well, we were stuck with the flu on Monday and Tuesday, and were for some obscure reason unable to log in on Wednesday... but no we're here...
*Warpmind and Maggie-chan high-five each other.*
On to replies...

To all who offer their sympathy for the loss of my younger cousin: Thanks. It has been eighteen years, but it still feels like something's missing...

Fire Storm: Oh, you're forgiven, friend. After all, you seem to have evolved beyond AOL... ;)

Coyote: Those mallets wouldn't be of the three metric ton variety? Okay, okay, I'll be nice. Though, I'm still about a thousand $ away from G2K. (Plus a little fun money.)

The Speed of Light: As the speed of light is constant only in vacuum, does that mean that if you were travelling with the speed of light and suddenly passed through a solid object, you would be slowed down? Or would you just be very unconcious in a very you-shaped hole in that solid object? ;)

SJ: Dude, I didn't mention Star Trek because... well, I saw a nice joke about "Generations" once; Kirk says to Picard: "You know how all those alien species have similar DNA patterns? That was me." And as for the Tomb Raider/Indy thing: Can't wait to see it.

Wilek: Dude, DC has regenerated from more sick stuff than Demona has... if he has offspring, I wouldn't be surprised... but then again, I'm a Norwegian, and only three things can surprise me... ;)

Zath: Those pun buttons are available from Snapdragon Gifts... and building a "prototype" neuralyzer with a bulky look could be fun...

Xanathar: You had that game when you had a new 486, too? Me too, and I still have that game. Unfortunately, I'm also still stuck with the same 486... And as for the Barney stuff... great, just great. And they even said the picture text was in Norwegian... I gotta emigrate...

Mara: Nice Withcblade scan - I got that comic. Love it! (Hormones or plot enjoyment? Both! How does the Payback MiSTing go? First ep is in the fanfic archive; we're waiting for you, then Pissy. And by the way... are YOU the one who taught Maggie-chan here to eat tobacco? *Maggie-chan looks up, grinning.*

David G.: Demona may be the smartest gargoyle alive... *may* be. Remember, they're talking about seven types of intelligence (Military intelligence not counting), and I think Lex could leave Demona in the dust in a few of those types...

Crzy/Aaron: Bwaah, I didn't get a chance to see that t-shirt design! *Warpmind sits down, weeping softly. Maggie-chan starts wiping his tears with a rather "I-don't-know-why-I-bother"-type frown.*

Jewel: So, you decided to name your second rat after a Romanian (?) count with the nickname "The Impaler"? I'm impressed...

Gside: She may have bought the guns, but she had Sevarius develop the carrier virus in her own labs, and it seemed to me as though she prettu well understood how it worked... and you don't have to have experience in genetic engineering to understand the concepts, eh?

Hiya, Lexy! Here to stay now?

Crzy/Aaron: Ignore my previous comment about missing that t-shirt design... Aaron: I WANT one, if I have to challenge you to a joust to get one! And I have a guy who can train me in the Way of the Sword... Blue belt, one stripe in Tae Kwon Do, I'm not sure of his ranks in Escrima and Kama (I think that third style is called)...

Gside: Beautifully interpreted song...

**RP HERE**
Administrator Rho turns a corner and meets Wilek Nereus and Warpmind de InzanE. Wilek closes the comms link and grins.
"Well that's the explosive taken care of. Administrator, this is Warpmind de InzanE, a newcomer."
Administrator Rho looks at Warpmind, who calmly returns the gaze.
"Newcomer? I have heard nothing of recent shuttle arrivals or anything of the sort."
Warpmind grins sheepishly and flashes his little Illuminati pin.
"Actually, I was teleported here from a public restroom, somehow. Don't ask me how, but I'm here. But now that I'm here, we might have a fruitful work relationship? I'm a freelance Illuminatus, and this seems like an interesting place."
Rho strokes his chin thoughtfully.
"Freelance?"
"Well, there are 23 of us, who have no actual Society rank, but we can pull strings just about anywhere in the hierarchy. We're mostly on a mercenary system, actually. We do assassinations, hostage extractions, break-ins, break-outs, you name it."
"But you don't look..."
"Strong? Well-trained? No, but that is to my benefit. We are granted unlimited storage access... but I've just temporarily assigned myself to assist in general hero-type work here on the Avatar... if you want me around, that is."
Administrator Rho raises a brow.
"You're quite bold... I like that. What are your skills?"
"I have some knowledge, though painfully little practice, in Martial Arts. I'm a dead shot with my tranq/poison dart gun, and I have a rather large, advanced arsenal at my disposal. Plus, I can call on extra favors from the Illuminati on occasion. I am trained in biochemistry, and have had some practice in general medical practice."
"Well... I'm sure Mr. Nereus here can fill you in on security procedures... and give you the necessary keycards, et cetera. Nereus, find this gentleman some available quarters, I'll have another word with him later. Right now, I have pressing business to attend to."
Wilek and Warpmind nod to the Administrator, who resumes his pace.
"Um, Administrator, you lost one of your 200-chips. I don't know the stakes you play with, but you might want it."
Rho glares at Warpmind, then retrieves his chip and moves on. Wilek leans conspiratorily toward Warpmind.
"Dude, you better keep this under the carpet, okay?"
"Very well. What would my interest in relating this information be, anyway?"
"True."
**RP END**

Catch ya later, CR friends...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, January 13, 2000 05:30:27 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Oops--
Xandie as Spidey?! God, I love this guy! >:)

SJ> Referring to you question if teens read Seventeen, I know that a few of my friends read it, my Mom and her friends definitely get it, and I've glanced at it though I have to go with other unique mags that fit my own Dark Ages taste. :)

Well, more later...
Anne
Thursday, January 13, 2000 03:50:26 AM
IP: 204-246-241-203.nas2.apv.gblx.net

*Comes in, dragging an orange fuzzy ball with*
Hi all :) Guess who got into my piggybank and then HAD to take a real soaker?
*Chibi-Claw-kun pouts before wringing out his wet fur before going off to play with the other chibis*

Well, I'm back after a long few days because our computer's acting up again, and our memory is down to a capacity of 17.3 MGs. Real frustrating trying to get into the CR and only getting half of it <grr!>.

Thanks to all who have helped support my family, my family is deeply grateful and gives hugs out to all who have helped and are praying, and are also mourning.

Fanfic> I've been reading fan fic at GFW and also at a number of sights--so far, I've finished Pistoff's "Injustice for All, part 2" (great job, BTW! ^_^) and I'm anticipating part 3. Coyote--WCC is fantastic, and the timing is perfect! :) Doug, great work! Keep it going! >:)Christine, I was in your fic, yeah yeah I know, but oh well *shrugs*. I can't wait for "Damien"--kick @ss! Am I the only one that noticed that in last week's story (I'm tired and I don't care to look back to find the title at the moment), in the picture where the Elder is telling the hatchlings stories, that the little gargess sitting by Lex looks A LOT like a mini-Aiden? Hmm...
I'm planning to read Jenna's and a bunch o'others fics soon, 'cluding Mara's MiST's--this will be fun >:)

A different subject...On the tenth, we bought the kittens (or the yearlings) a few toy mouses that are now in cotton shreds around the house. Oh well, at least they got that out of there system (and at least we didn't give em party hats and a cake! :P )

Tim P.> Kewl! Dangit, why is my money always gone or vanishes when I need it?! *L* BTW, love the outline for Alien: CM, and as soon as you get it signed up, I'll be one of the first to go & see it! (Don't cha love being a hardcore Alien fan?) ^_^

Demona/smart/survival thingie> Well, I'm not sure what to say on this matter. Personally, I think Demona is smart but can be irrational (as many of us have pointed out). Maybe another thing that I'm holding back is the thought that Demona won't *always* remain irrational, because when you look at some instances she can contain control. Although Greg mentions that Demona commits suicide around the nth century, and not much else, so I might be way _way_ off the scale. I know many will disagree but I think that if Demona learns to not only tolerate humans, but to enjoy our customs, then she'll eventually fall into the same category that our dear Angel has fallen into--please, look at his case. Instead of going around and trying to destroy the world now that he's not evil, he found himself at the temptation to be a bloodsucker again. But that was changed with Doyle's arrival, and since then Angel has committed himself to protecting people. I don't even know what I'm getting at, but it's just a thought if you wanna look at a comparison between Angel/Demona.

Well, I have more to say but I have to get back to the outlines for my own fanfic. SYL, all! :)
Anne
Thursday, January 13, 2000 03:43:48 AM
IP: 204-246-241-203.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Great to have the CR back up. I just got finished reading Pandora by Anne Rice. It is alittle weird, but I like that so I would recommend it. I just have one wish. To make books longer. I read the more interesting books during the boring moments at work and I end up going through them really fast. Anybody know of any really interesting books that are like 500 pages or over?

Wilek-A stoner? Most people around here just think I'm weird.

Xander as Spider-man- Sure, why not? I'm open to just about everything.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Thursday, January 13, 2000 02:55:59 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Glad the room is back up.

Welp, it snowed here today...eight inches. Not stormy though, just constant snowfall. It's still snowing now, actually. Heh...during the 'Blizzard of '97' we got some ridiculous amount, like 13 inches though, so this is nothing.

FANTASIA 2000 > you know, originally it was going to include more segments from the first one. I know for certain "Dance of the Hours" was slated to be included, for it was my favorite segment. But now they left in only "The Sorceror's Apprentice?" Bleah. That is the one segment I always fast-forward when watching Fantasia. I loathe Mickey Mouse anyway, and the whole segment just annoys me.

Question about Fantasia (the original)> Wasn't Chernobog rotoscoped, based on some famous actor guy....er, _who_ was he based on? I knew this, but I can't recall. It's driving me nuts.

Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 02:50:33 AM
IP: ctrts2-3.mrs.umn.edu

hello, I was reading Lethe and longest day part one, both of these stories are to big to be fully seen with a webtv browser and I only got around half way through each story is there anyway that these stories could be posted in two parts, or someone could send me the last halves of each story, I would greatly apriecieate it.
Poepah@webv.net
Poe Pah - [poepah@webtv.net]
seattle, wa, usa
Thursday, January 13, 2000 02:37:04 AM
IP: proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net

Wilek> <<the infamous large stone face on Mars is some civilization's equivalent of Keep Off The Grass>>: And the Great Red Spot isn't, huh? And I'm willing to bet that Shoemaker-Levy happened right after some other hapless interplanetary settlers landed.

Night on Bald Mountain: You know, I think I want to collect all the pictures that Mussorgsky based Pictures at an Exhibition on. Hut on Fowl's Legs (Baba Yaga) seems neat. (what's really sick is that I didn't need to research any spellings or names there)

Every now and then, I reccommend you get a new perspective on things. I did that today on my roof (after taking down the Christmas lights). Not quite cathartic, but quite fun.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, January 13, 2000 02:26:51 AM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

**DC...SOMETHING**

[We see Mr. Disconnect working frantically upon the Wyvernweb servers, trying desperately to crash them again after their repair...but his work is in vain, as a blue talon taps him on the shoulder. He yelps and turns around, to see Wilek holding a sheaf of papers and wearing what looks like safety glasses. Wilek: "Come here." Wilek grabs DC by the throat and drags him into a cubical room with plain white walls. He then begins gluing the papers to the walls, floor, and ceiling...whereupon we see that these papers are images printed out from the newsgroup alt.hillary-c.newt-g.binaries.pictures.erotica (this is a real newsgroup, the gods help us all). Understandably, Mr. Disconnect attempts to scratch out his own eyes. To prevent this, Wilek ties him down and sews his eyelids open. Wilek finishes papering the room and leaves, while Mr. Disconnect screams...and screams...and *screams*. He doesn't stop for two hours. He was never the same after that...]

**END**

Selanit, Lexy, and everyone else who's returned> There sure are a lot of you! ^_^ Welcome back! :D

Simon> <<AOL and Microsoft will merge... it's just a matter of time. Save me a seat on the interplanetary shuttle, eh?>> Better--I'll rebuild the Comment Rooms into a self-sustaining and preferably hyperspace-capable starbase. 8)

Lexy> <<this guy's voice comes in and goes, "I wish _I_ were a Backstreet Boy." I SWORE That the voice was Lexington>> If I heard Lex say he wanted to be one of the thrice-accursed Backstreet Boys, I'd probably go on a self-destructive killing spree. >;P

Pistoff> <> Hey, no problem; delays aren't that big a deal to me. :)

Gside> <<Mars is too close?>> Possibly, since AOLSoft, as it will probably be known, will most likely either be able to develop interplanetary weapons or spacecraft capable of nuking Mars back to whatever passes for its Stone Age. Jupiter, on the other hand, is a little harder to reach. Granted, there's high gravity and a weird atmosphere to contend with, but there are ways around such things. Besides, somehow I get the feeling that the infamous large stone face on Mars is some civilization's equivalent of Keep Off The Grass (or rock or whatever). :P DC Death> You're twisted. I like. >:)

Kyryn> <<Although I didn't think that they should have kept Sorcerer's Apprentice in.>> Me neither; I think Night On Bald Mountain was much better. (Of course, they could have done a CGI version. ^_^)

$SJ> <<To all RPers--I'll probably be leaving tomorrow afternoon to go out of town, and I won't be back till early/middle of next week. It may seem like a lot to ask, but could you possible slow things down a little in the RP, concerning my character in Hell, till I get back?>> Sure thing. :) $

**RP!**

[Shaftiel, Baphomet's strange enforcer, steps from the shadows in the Labyrinth and looks around, wondering where the staff has gotten to. He turns a corner to find a Cenobite with what looks like five pairs of scissors embedded in its skull. Shaftiel raises an eyebrow at the strangeness of it, then asks, "Are you...in charge here?" The Cenobite responds, "No, that'll be Pinhead. He's in conference with Leviathan at the moment; you'll have to wait here." The Cenobite then shambles off, undoubtedly to do something ghastly to some undeserving victim, leaving Shaftiel to wonder what kind of person would become one of these *things*...]

**END**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, January 13, 2000 01:59:09 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Urk ... my color!!! *Sighs* *pouts* *kicks rocks* Ah well, I'll be more careful next time, won't I?
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 01:11:55 AM
IP: 1cust66.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Xander as Peter Parker? I could see that. It would work. Actually, I think it could work well. Something to think about.

Demona and smarts.

Well, intelligence tend to be our capacity to acquire and apply knowledge, not knowledge itself, so Demona's experiences prove nothing. She obviously is capable of learning and applying fairly well or she never would've adapted and survived, let alone grasped complicated magical theorems and modern concepts like science and business ventures. Still, Lexington adapted to the 20th Century with such speed, I'd say he's more intelligent that Demona.

Still, there are distinctly different traits in both wisdom and wits. Wisdom branches out from common sense, the Understanding of things where knowledge lends only information. We are often Forced to acquire some wisdom along with knowledge when we are Forced to adapt by experiences. We also gain generally deeper wisdom through reflection and open-minded pursuit. Demona's obsessions and denial would put an obvious cramp on her gaining extensive wisdom over her long life. Hudson's long life has given him wisdom because he's approached it with an open mind, which is why he is wiser than Demona.

Demon does have sharp wits though. She has a good eye for picking out the strings that manipulate people at the very least. I'd say Hudson has a real edge over her here if you go by the episodes where they let Hudson excel. He is constantly more aware of his surroundings, and always finding an edge. Demona's anger tends to cloud her wits.

You know � I must say that I personally agree with the entire sentiment of killing the Weird Sisters. Of course, just because I WANT to, doesn't mean I could necessarily justify or do it. They HAVE committed the most grave transgressions of manipulation, violation of free will, and abuse of power that put the Fey and most elf races in most fantasies high on my hit list. I don't like the kind of games they play. In fact, they outright offend and enrage me to the point of violating my usual pacifism. They have violated a severe human rights moral law in my mind, and I'd have them removed from any position that would allow them to affect any more lives. If that was not feasible, ~ then ~ I'd probably drive iron stakes right into their chests with a hammer � and enjoy the screams.

For some reason Fey and Elves and other "superior" races that like to use magic to lord over and manipulate people's lives like gods � they tend to bring out a vicious streak in me a mile long. Of course, we must judge each individual as just that, but the very notion that an entire race can be ~ born ~ with unconditional supernatural powers like those just � offends me.

"Budda's ass! I ~ really ~ hate elves!"

A cookie to one besides Lexy who can place my new favorite quote.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, January 13, 2000 01:10:49 AM
IP: 1cust66.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

CRZY>> LOOOVE the pic!!

The guy that plays Xander as Peter Parker? humm.. might work. He's pretty much got the look.

G2K>> *crosses fingers and toes* Well folks, yesterday I got my turn at the vacation sign-up for the coming year. I put in for the week of July 30-Aug 5. I get Sun/Mon off, so I'm also putting in for Aug 8th, once the sign-up for single days comes around. So folks, if the PTB favor me, I'll be seeing some of you this summer in Orlando. I'm really looking forward to it. =}
Jodi/Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:45:40 AM
IP: abdbdf52.ipt.aol.com

Ah damnit, I sent before the RP was done.....can't make this an RP only post, so.....

I hear that Hilary Clinton is going to be on David Letterman tonight. I have 3 words to express my sentiments on that monumentous occasion:

BIG F@#$&IN DEAL.

Okay, now on to the RP. Sorry if it seems a little rushed tonight:

**RP***
After about an hour or two upon the roads of Hell, Mephisto's carriage finally arrived in the City of the Dead. The City was ancient; it had existed for millenia in Hell. Legend has it that it did not originate in the nether planes, but rather was something of an effigy; a copy, if you will, of a city that had once existed upon the face of the world. It was a grand city at one time, the legend said, at the pinnacle of civilization and culture, but it fell into deviance and debauchery, and was eventually destroyed by the Host of Heaven. Now, the architecture was crumbling after centuries of decay. It's surface was grey an ashen. Nothing living walked its streets. It was the very epitomoe of lost greatness. Its inhabitants were silent and ethereal, appearing as almost translucent shades that solemnly marched along without meaning. The demons of the underworld used the City occasionally as a neutral meeting place to hold discussions or to make negotiations.
Mephisto, adorned by several of his servants (all of whom appeared as small, stout little figures made of grey clay--except for his Primary, a very thin, gauntish creature with a cheshire smile full of razor teeth) and, unbeknownest to him, Sevarius Jr., entered the Colosseum. It was a rather large arena that was used as a favorite meeting place. Mephisto strolled in calmly to observe Deavik already present.
"Lord Deavik," Mephisto called out, exchanging a pleasantry he really didn't feel. "I understand you requested my presence to answer some...questions."
"Yes, let's get right to the point, Mephisto," the other demon lord shot back. "I want to know why you have an operative working for you on the Avatar, when you KNOW that I have one placed there myself!"
"I was not aware of that fact, no," Mephisto corrected. His eyes burned like coals. "But my reasons for placing an operative there are my own."
"You WILL tell me, Mephisto, or I swear, I'll--"
"You're threats never frightened me, Deavik. But if you must know something at all, let us just say that I am...concerned with a certain group of individuals there."
"Who?"
Mephisto smiled. "I don't suppose it will hurt to tell you. You can't use the information to your advantage at any rate. But have you heard of those humans named Kaioto and the Black Ravens?"
****END RP FOR NOW***
Sevarius Jr.
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:36:58 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

***BEGIN RP***

***END RP***

Kind of a slow night tonight. Good to see things up and running after the server crashed for the Nth time.
$To all RPers--I'll probably be leaving tomorrow afternoon to go out of town, and I won't be back till early/middle of next week. It may seem like a lot to ask, but could you possible slow things down a little in the RP, concerning my character in Hell, till I get back? Thanks. $

Xander....is....Spider-Man! I don't know if this is true or not. In some sort of teenage girl magazine (I've heard it was "Seventeen"....BTW, do any of you teenage girls actually read those things? I suppose you do. I suppose those are like the Maxims for the female persuasion), they list ol' Nick Brendan as being the front runner for the film. Personally, I feel that's wishful thinking. He'd make a great PETER PARKER....not Spidey. Spidey should be CGI effects with Nick's voice dubbed in. Still, he'd be an excellent choice for Peter. But I don't think he's "mainstream" enough. He may be popular in fandom, but the majority of the nation does *not* watch Buffy. And, as such, they probably won't care if one of that show's characters headlines a movie. Watch, they'll probably give the role to Matt Damon, or Ben Affleck, or Leo, or some other good-looking man-boy.

Since we bring up all kinds of topics in here....I just wanted to bring up that little Cuban boy we've all been hearing about in the news. Kind of to bring in some current events into the room. I was wondering how the folks in here viewed the whole matter. Should Elian be allowed to stay here in the United States, or should he be sent back to Cuba? Personally, I feel he should stay. This is a matter of doing what's best for the child. Which is better--to have him reunited with his surviving parent, or to let him stay in a free society? Personally, I feel it's a no-brainer, but there are many who feel he should leave. His mother died to bring him here; should her death be in vain just so he can live with his biological father?
I feel his situation is yet another incident in a rather disturbing trend of isolationism. This child, as well as anyone who desires a better life here, deserves a chance to come to this country and succeed. Cause like I've said before--even though we as Americans are not free of problems, we're still a better place to live than a country like Cuba.

Gyre: Ah, the old "we should make them pay" debate. Be careful here, my friend. I suggested once that Demona should get the axe taken to her pretty little head once, and I had the goddamn fire and brimstone of hell tossed down upon me by a certin individual who claimed I wasn't given Demmie a chance to "redeem" herself. I believe my initial point about that whole matter was that, eventually, a person runs out of "second chances", and when that happens, you just have to drop the hammer on them like the thunder god Thor. Personally, I agree with you--the Weird Sisters need to be punished. Exactly how is the question. They have manipulated two lives and, while it can be argued that Demona's life was destroyed before she encountered them, Macbeth's life sure hasn't been any happier since the three crones visited him. And simply through their use of these two individuals, the Sisters have caused considerable pain and suffering. What should be their punishment? Death is an option.
I on the other hand, find that to easy. Let the witches *really* pay. Puck got banished just cause he had the balls to stand up to the grand A.Hole of them all, Oberon. I say banish the 3 sisters, and make *them* live a few lifetimes as humans. Perhaps that'd earn them some respect for the "weaker" races.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:19:03 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

I couldn't get in here yesterday, so sorry it's been a while...

Fleur> Ummm, I *think* you have me mixed up with someone else?

Doug & XenaTrek> It's okay, you guys. Apologies accepted and we still love you. *group hug*

Joe> Har har har...
SOROW
Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:00:21 AM
IP: dll2a010-0560.splitrock.net

We all agree what kind of villian Demona is, and that she's dangerous. But for making her more dangerious then she would normally have been, the Wierd Sisters should answer for what they've done. They gambled, but they gambled with with what they had no right, they were in danger of loosing nothing. For that, the Wierd Sisters should be killed. Iron buckshot comes to mind. And I think there are more then one fey who would not mind too much if the Sisters had an unfortunate accident.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:06:53 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp92.fltg.net

***Kyryn sneaks in from editing***

Pistoff> Just don't go with GTE internet service. I work for them currently. Not recommended. Mainly because they limit your access to 150 hrs per month. And, whatever you do, don't get involved with GTE Communications. I've heard more horror stories about them...

Skippy> Wearing a costume? Self-conscious? *grin* Hey I usually end up wearing costumes that are referred to in the anime/comics groups as 'battle bikinis'. One-liners and attitude come naturally when you're a girl in skimpy armored outfits.

Coyote>Fantasia 2000: Personally I loved the flamingos. Although I didn't think that they should have kept Sorcerer's Apprentice in.

***Kyryn sneaks back out to do more editing***

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:55:26 PM
IP: 207.43.204.33

**looks around**

Hookay ... bimonthly server brain fart took its toll ... **kicks DC's butt, leaving his boot lodged in it and removing his foot** Sorry, I don't have the energy to kill 'im.

**SPOILERS AHEAD FOR FANTASIA 2000!!**

Wonderful, wonderful movie ... y'know how I say a movie's not worth seeing if I can't cry at it? This one was worth it twice over ... by far the best segments are "Pines of Rome" (the flying whales) and "Firebird Suite 1919" (nature vs. destruction, with a nod to Mt. St. Helens and "Princess Mononoke"). And the celebrities giving intros weren't even tedious (the best one was James Earl Jones: "Here is the "Parade of the Animals," which answers the age-old question of man's relationship with nature and ... oh, thank you. Here now it "Parade of the Animals," which answers the age-old question ... what happens when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?! Who wrote this?" :)

**END SPOILERS!!**

Mara-ko: **hugs and kisses** Nice to see ya back in action once more ... stick around for a while this time.

Fleur: Same to you, welcome back! **hugs**

Harker's first name: Y'know, you're right, it *was* Jonathan. Silly me. :)

Garg schemers: Really, though, it's open to interpretation. Take a look at the different takes on the various villains in the gargfic and you'll see numerous interpretations, many of them being ones you might never expect. Everyone probably agrees, though, that Demmie is the favorite among writers to be plotting schemes to her own benefit. It's just a matter of the level of her scheming ... whenever I read a story of Christine's involving Jericho, I just have this deep feeling that however much she thinks she loves him, she's using him for something. And of course I made her Nazi-level genocidal ... :)

Doug: Thanks for the character bits. They'll be put to good use. The note's probably going to be posted before the end of the week, it's already in Skydancer's mailbox (she posts the stories for me).

Simon, re: Nada Surf: Oh yeah, "Popular" was their one hit. You're right, the song's hilarious, especially if you were never one of the popular ones in high school ... please *do* post those lyrics. :)

Lexy: Your ears dinnae deceive you, lass, that *is* Thom. He appears in another ad for the same company (leaves an answering machine message that says "Hey, thanks for the root canal! Oh, and I got tickets for Game 6.") And welcome back to you, too. **hugs**

XenaTrek, re: dutch: Of course, that's why I said I'd pay for me and Mara-ko ... but if you insist ... :) **hugs**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:12:42 PM
IP: zzz-209252248239.splitrock.net

Hi all, so good to be able to get back in here again! :)

well we fifnished inventory at work today, so very glad - now I can take my last week of vacation for this past year.

we had some encouraging news from all parties involved in the required agreements needed to get the permits for our gardenshop addition, it seems that all parties (this now includes: our store, the store behind us, the store beside us, and the company that owns the lot just to the east of the store beside us) anyway- everyone needs to sign and file a letter of intent that they each agree to certain change on their properties (changes which will in the end be good for all parties)once these letters are filed with the city-then the city can issue our permit and we can start the gardenshop remodel. Now we just need this to happen quickly -so I'm keeping my mental figures crossed.

here's another joke:
>a three-year-old put his shoes on by himself. His mother noticed that the left shoe was on the right foot. She said, "Son,your shoes are on the wrong feet."

He looked up at her with a raised brow and said, "Don't kid me, Mom.
They're the only feet I got!."

LOL! CATCH YOU ALL LATER

delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 09:09:38 PM
IP: twin56ss.magiclink.com

Wilek> <>: Mars is too close?

You know, recently I realized that the song "What Shall We Do With the Drunken Sailor" contains some very cruel ideas. Ergo:
**DC death (my first-isn't it precious)**
verse 1: What shall we do with (the fully consious) DC?
verse 2: "Put him in the long boat 'till he's sober": Not painful, so all I need is a bucket of ravenous piranah, a hard topped llng boat cover, a hose, and a faucet. **puts DC and the bucket in the long boat, attaches the cover, ataches the hose to the faucet and a valve on the cover, than turns on the faucet. Screaming ensues after a reasonable delay.**
verse 3: "Pull out the bung and wet him all over": Right, now to make sure its falmmable... Who has a match?
verse 4: "Put him in the scuppers with the deck pump on him": I'm not sure about this, so let's assume a deck pump is heavy and drop it from a reasonable height (six stories?).
verse 5: "Heave him by the leg in a runnin' bowlin'": Again I'm not sure, so lets heave him by the legs into a wall o' spikes.
verse 6: "Tie him to the taffrail when she's yard-arm under": Right, Let's tie him to a rail and lower it a yard-arm's length under water. **much bubbling and thrashing ensues**
verse 7: "Put him in the bilge and make him drink it," bilge: the bottom inside part of a ship where dirty water collects. 'Nuff said.
verse 8: "Shave his belly with a rusty razor" **a good bit of screaming** That wasn't bad enough, so let's use the verse that I misheard: willy instead of belly. **much more screaming, this time a couple octaves higher**
verse 8: "Soak 'im in oil till he sprouts some flippers" sounds like fun.
verse 10: "Put 'im in bed with the Captain's daughter" We need to change this for our pruposes. **takes chibification gun, shoots DC, then knocks him unconsious** Ok, I'll need to borrow some stuff, I promise it won't be damaged. Mara, if I may, **takes chibi-Angela, anethetatizes her**. Jannie, Denis? **takes the basket, evicts Otto and Purgie; places Angela and Dc in the basket, and calls over chibi Goliath, who promptly drags him outside**
**end DC torture**

Bishansky> Deep Purple: did they do Hush with 8thG 8thG 8thG 16thF 16thG 16thRest 8thG 16thF 4thG? (sorry, I only have the tenor music, and there is no easy way to do sheet music in ASCII).

Lexy> Welcome back to the relm of the connected.

Simon> 3x5 card: by college physics II, I ran out of room on the card and had to take the full 8.5x11. I have just abour everyting from (v sub(2))^2=(v sub(1))^2+2as to the conservation laws for nuclear reactions (energy/momentum, charge, baryon #, lepton #; if only hadrons: srtangeness, charm & bottomness).

Intelegence/insanity: The Bedlam chess team once played Cambridge, and won.

**screaming** Oops, DC woke up :).

Do you know how expensive it is to commission a painting? I asked my brother, and he said ~$10,000.

As a little preview of my future mp3-type nature, check my link. (anime fans should be most interested)

I have had this window open for ~6 hours. Of course, I did go to New Brunswick in the middle of that, but anyway.
On a side note, I got my school books. "Discrete Mathematics and its Applications" Fun.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 08:31:53 PM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Woohhoo!!,the rooms back!:)

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 08:11:51 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

<<Anonymous>>
Skippy> The Star Wars geek armor brigade or whatever you called them? *laughs* I've entertained the notion of perhaps wearing a costume (not of a storm trooper or droid or Boba Fett) to a convention someday, but then I figure I could never pull it off without totally humiliating myself in a humorless way. Besides, I don't have the skills, money, or patience to make my own costume. *wry grin* I love SW, but I think it's, er, excessive when some fans practically foam at the mouth when they get to meet some extra who was in one of the movies.

Yeah, and down here in Dallas, that'sNO mistaking it!!! MAN I wanna get that on a tape!! *goes to read the rest of the room*
Lexy
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 05:28:47 PM
IP: 98cd942f.ipt.aol.com

Hey everyone... finals are upon me, and I am besieged by learning every verb tense in the entire French language, memorizing a 3x5" card covering in Physics formulae, trying to understand geometry, and desperately recalling details of the First World War. In short, I shouldn't be posting here. But hey, I promised I"d be back this week, and liars suck. (I've also promised dozens of other things in the past taht I never completed, but sh** happens, right?)

Fleur> YOU'RE BACK!!!! **big ol' welcome-back bear hug** Long time no see! You will drop by more often now, eh? [re: Sydney fireworks] Hey, yeah, I saw those on CNN around eleventeen zillion times... almost as often as the SIX HUNDRED BILLION TIMES they showed the London fireworks! Of course, being there live must have been way neater.

Intelligence vs. Insanity: Yeah, I know everyone's already talked about this, but here's my 2 cents. In my experience, these are totally seperate concepts, and in the presence of both, one determines how you use the other. (I am both intelligent and insane--so I've been told.) In a battle of wits, the insane genius might actually do better than the boring--er, sane-- genius, because insanity is conducive to out-of-the-box thinking. Or something. :-)

Selanit> Hey, good to see you back, too! This is a time for returns, I see.

AOL/Time Warner merger: Yeah, I'd call this scary as hell. Bad enough that Big Brother is watching us, now we have to watch Big Brother! o_O I just _know_ the future will only have one corporation: Micro-Disney-Coca-Cola-Soft. You just watch... I'll be proven right. Friggin' monopolies. Wilek> AOL and Microsoft will merge... it's just a matter of time. Save me a seat on the interplanetary shuttle, eh?

Hey, has anyone ever heard of the band Nada Surf? They had a song in heavy rotation on MTV & MuchMusic a while back called "Popular" and it was a riot. I'm getting their disc soon, and I will post the lyrics; it's a cynical ode to those preppie-overpopular assholes everybody know in high school.

Spacebabie> ["he cnack machine's didnt work"] You either mean snack machines or crack machines; either would be good to have and bad if they broke down. :-)

Well, I'm off to try and catch my bus.... Oh, never mind. Too cold out. TTYL!
Simon - [grphbxxt@curtain.cjb.net]
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 04:48:15 PM
IP: 198.161.203.152

Yay the room is back up good news!!!

bad news the vending machines in the Comm room of UCF are @#&*$! up. The soda machines didnt work,the cnack machine's didnt work,the ice cream machine didn't work there was only on flavor of Fruitopia left in its machine....

Good news> We found a quicker way to UCF I save about twenty minutes.

I made an interesting observation the other day while surfing around the net. THere are barley any Digimon site's that deal with the anime. So I'm thinking about building one. If anybody want's to be my partner in crime just e-mail me.
Demona topic>> Yes she is smart in book sense,strategy,fighting,magic and buisness but she has one problem...learning from her mistakes and accepting respnsibility for them.

I also think Hudson is pretty smart in his own way too.

XF Spoilers. I also liked this ep. The first time I saw Donny was in "Irresistable" ofthe second season wich was the only episode that ever scared me.

Well I'm outie
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 04:04:09 PM
IP: user-37kap77.dialup.mindspring.com

Glad to see the room is back up.

Demona's intelligence> She is very intelligent, she just has sanity problems. But people can be insane and intelligent. Take most dictators for example. Jackal is crazy but intelligent. Another example I like to use is Galvatron from "Transformers", when he thinks rationally he can be quite brilliant.

60's Music> I love most 60's music. Give me bands like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Who, Jimi Hendrix, Deep Purple. What's not to like? I can't stand disco, and I dispise most 80s music. I like early 90s music like Nirvana (my all time favorite band), Pearl Jam, NIN, Rage Against the Machine, and many other bands.

Christine> Can't wait for "Damien". I really can't wait for it. Oh, btw, I finally got a chance to take a look at Sabledrake Magazine. Nice job, when is the next issue coming out.

Stephen> I liked your essay on crossovers. I hope mine turns out well when it is done. It has been a lot of help for the next few installments. Speaking of which...

Fanfic Progress> "Unions Part 2" is on hold for now, I need to work on a couple of TGS assignements.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 03:23:32 PM
IP: spider-wk064.proxy.aol.com

*sigh of relief* whew... CR is still alive and kicking.
*turns the lurk button on again*
Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 02:54:24 PM
IP: spider-wn063.proxy.aol.com

Oh good, the room's back, and this discussion is getting interesting. To add a bit more fuel to the fire, here's a bit of discussion on how to rate a character's intelligence:

Intelligence is a very complex subject, encompasing intuition, empathy, reason, memory, and a whole host of processes too difficult to measure without extensive testing. Since all we can do is interprit the characters' actions, here are my criteria:

Technology - The ability to master computers, etc... is a good measure of a character's brain power (not perfect, but good) By that measure, Lex and Asrial score very high (so does Coldsteel). Demona and Thailog score slightly lower, since we're not sure whether they really understand the tools they use. They are smart enough to figure out how to apply technology, though, and are more comfortable with it than any of the other modern gargoyles (excluding the Future Brooklyn).

Reasoning - the ability to figure things out like a detective can also be observed. By this measure, Brooklyn scores fairly high in his Timedancer incarnation. None of the others have proven to be really adept at deduction, thus Goliath "needs a detective." They're not bad at it, just not terribly good, either. Even Brooklyn is no Sherlock Holmes - but he's a pretty good Mike Hammer. :)

Human Perception - by this measure, only Thailog and Iago/Coldsteel (both master manipulatiors) really shine. Angela is also somewhat gifted at figuring out what other people are thinking. Sata scores somewhere high on this scale, as well.

Strategy/Tactics - Hudson, when he's being portrayed up to his full potential, is perhaps the most canny tactitian on the show. I've always kind of wanted to see what would happen if he and Macbeth crossed wits while Hudson was really ready for the contest. Thailog is very smart here, but blinded by his ego, and possibly by the deeply hidden fear that since he's a clone, he's not really as good as the original. Either Coldsteel really has something on the ball, or else the other two cyborgs really lack talent, because he was able to elude both of them quite successfully. He's no genius, though, or he might have found a way to kill his pursuers.

OK, that's about enough of that. There are other ways to try to measure a character's intelligence. I look forward to seeing what the rest of you think. I also want to mention that I think the smartest gargoyle might not be the most successful - due to limitations of personality or fortune. For example, many of you have mentioned Demona's psychological problems. They DO keep her from reaping the full benifits of her intelligence, but they don't really LOWER her intelligence.

From this post, you might be able to guess who I think is actually the smartest gargoyle. I'll e-mail something interesting to the first person to guess correctly.

Oh yeah, one last comment:
Gside> I basically agree with you. My only point was that time alone is not responsible for Demona's success or learning or whatever. I was just using Macbeth as a foil for Demona. She spent most of her life as a hunted fugitive who had no easy way to interact with humanity, so the amount of education or influence she could acquire would be limited by those problems. Her successes had to be attributable, at least partially, to better than average intelligence.

I can't really do much to compare her to Asrial, since I don't read Dark Ages. One of these days, I'll have time to hit the archive. Then, perhaps, I can do a better job with this discussion.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 02:36:34 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

David G> Hmm . . . an interesting suggestion, but I do not think that Demona is deliberately making the Archmage underestimate her at this point in DA. She is not yet that cunning; at this stage, she is still quite a young gargoyle, and it is made clear in the stories that she does suffer from anxiety and stress caused by the Archmage's demeaning attitude. Certainly an older Demona wouldn't think twice about such manipulation, but so far she has yet to become Goliath's "Angel of the Night." It will be quite some time before she becomes a "fallen" angel.

Gargoyle intelligence> Hmm. Interesting. I shall watch this attentively.

Language question> Given the time-frame of Dark Ages, what language would be spoken at Castle Wyvvern? Would it be Old Scots Gaelic, a northern form of Anglo-Saxon, or something else? I am inclined to think that Anglo-Saxon would be the predominant language, or at least present in the population at large. Scotland at the time was a rather mixed state in terms of language; the Scots were originally from Ireland, and spoke Gaelic. But later Anglo-Saxon did come to the fore, particularly during the reign of Malcom III, Macbeth's successor/murderer. After his accession to the throne the Scottish court began to imitate Anglo-Norman culture. I know that Anglo-Saxon was the language of choice in Eidyn (Edinburgh) from somewhat earlier than that.

So I suppose it depends on how far north Castle Wyvvern was. Is there a specific location decided upon for Castle Wyvvern, or is it just "In Scotland on the coast?" Which coast, anyway? If it's the west coast, then Gaelic is more likely to have been the predominant language. Anglo-Saxon was more common along the east coast than the west.

Let's see. When Demona left the castle to sleep on the beach prior to Wyvvern's fall, did the sun rise over the sea or over the land? I seem to remember the sun rising over the water, which means that the castle lies on the east coast somewhere. No clues as to how far north, though. And it's entirely possible that the animators didn't have a set orientation for the castle, and that the sun could rise from whichever direction was most dramatically appropriate. <G>

So anyway, what do you think?
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 02:29:21 PM
IP: host62-6-9-13.btinternet.com

Yessss! We are back!

(Points Hyena-chan at DC) Go get him, girl.

Hyena-chan metes out the first in what is sure to be a long series of today's DC deaths. Aaron looks on, intrigued.

Ohhhh, that's gotta hurt.

Well, with everything being down, I had a chance to catch up on my reading a bit. Got through Injustice for All 2.

Pistoff, Dennis, me boyos, it was worth the wait.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 01:50:10 PM
IP: ppp-93.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Looks like we are back in business
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 01:06:15 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

**RP!**

[Somewhere in the center of the Forest Of Suicides in Hell sits a palatial library, filled with books of evil and suffering. In the center of that library sits a desk, made of the blackened and charred skeletons of evil souls who died by fire. Upon that desk sits a nameplate made of mystically frozen blood, enscribed with the name 'Baphomet'. Behind that desk sits an almost-human looking demon with black hair, black feathered wings, black robes, glasses, and pale skin, recording something in a book bound in human flesh. He is interrupted in his task, whatever it is, by the arrival of another demon, of a similar 'species', wearing armor forged from shadows and human souls, stepping out of the deep shadows that drape the library like cobwebs. "Sir, there's something going on at the City Of The Dead. I just saw Deavik arrive with about two dozen of his insects." Baphomet: "Deavik? <sigh> And I was hoping we'd heard the last of him. The psychopath burned down our last library; what more could he want with us?!" "I'm not sure if this even has anything to do with us. I overheard him mention the name of Mephisto." Baphomet: "Well, at least they'll keep each other occupied. The only thing that's protected us from either of them so far is our location; no one's willing to come deep enough into the Forest to become a threat to us. Something tells me that's about to change...I think it's time we acquired an ally or two. Shaftiel, go arrange a meeting with whichever of the Cenobites happens to be in charge of the Labyrinth just now. Discreetly, of course. We don't want to draw attention to ourselves." Shaftiel: "Are you certain, sir? They're almost as bad as Deavik." Baphomet: "Perhaps, but at least they keep to themselves, for the most part anyway. Now go." Shaftiel bows and returns to the shadows, and Baphomet returns to his work.]

**END RP!**

Zath> <> Therein lies the problem--I probably couldn't have handled it properly. Big conspiracies are more my style, and I'm not fond of Tomb Raider anyhow. ;)

Xanathar> <<Doom 2 was the first game that I ever got for my PC when it was a brand new 486(With PC speaker providing sound effects*BEEP* :) ).>> Heh...when I first got my copy of Doom 2, I had a PC that couldn't even play it. It was months before I had a computer that could actually run the thing. (Interestingly enough, the exact same situation applies to The 7th Guest, which was the first game I ever got for *my* first computer...) <<Sorry for the triple post everyone but CLICK on my name,this is priceless ;)>> Dear gods... O_O'

Jannie> Principal> Just kill her; there isn't a jury in this world or the next that would dare convict you. >:(

XenaTrek> <<Its under the options tab on Yahoo Mail. Or better yet, while you're reading the email, there is an item next to the name that saids: 'block address'. Click on that and it *should* prevent you from getting email from that 'person'... so far it has worked for me on one 'person'.>> Kewl. Thanks! ^_^

Jewel> <<...and Jewel acquires another rat, because her stupid snake won't eat. He tried to bite me when I was putting him in Mina's cage, so his name is Vlad (if y'all get the whole joke, three bonus points). This is the last one. I put my foot down. With any luck, Vlad and Mina will reproduce and I won't have to buy any more rats to feed Max (as wacked out as the idea is...)>> I'll admit, I'm not fond of snakes, but starving to death seems like an awful way for any creature to die; are you sure the thing will only eat live bait?

Demona's Intelligence> She's *extremely* knowledgable about quite a lot of things, I think, but she is also (somewhat understandably) so far out of her tree that she could probably climb back into it from the other side, and that tends to limit what one is willing to do with one's resources.

SJ> <<Good God, AOhelL is about to conquer the planet. If Bill Gates doesn't do it first, they'll be next in line. Is no one else as frightened as I am that my least favorite internet provider is now the proud owner of one of the largest multimedia agencies in existence?>> The AOL/Time Warner merger? <shudder> That, indeed, is one of the most terrifying announcements of the decade. First Netscape, now this...If AOL ever merges with Microsoft, I'll know it's time to leave the planet. I hear Jupiter is nice this time of year...

Doug> <<I found out Kit and I have some CR (CRedit, that is) with the local electric company here in Austin. Don't know how it happened, but apparently they're not charging me and Kit for electricity this month, nor the one coming up. Cool, huh? The guy at the power company said we must have overpaid them on our last bill, but I know we didn't. So this is just a little lucky twist of fate. :)>> Kewl. ^_^ I wonder how that happened... Y2K glitch? ;) j/k <<the dent some dumbass stupid dork put in Kit's motorbike when they scraped their car against it last night>> Ack. Hope it doesn't cost very much to fix. O_o <<lately I've thankfully been feeling better about the scenes I'm writing, which is good, thanks to Wilek for the small amount of help he gave>> You're welcome lad. ^_^

Fleur> Welcome back! :D <<Methinks there's a lot of seriously pissed off survivalists out there, sitting amongst their provisions, coming to the slow realisation that their 'Y2K' assault rifle will be absolutely no use after all.>> And they're the ones who worry me--after finding that the world hasn't come to an end, they just might attempt to do something about it themselves. o_o' <<for those who were not aware, they memorialised the paranoia with a high powered weapon.>> o_O OK, this *is* a sign of the apocalypse...<<Happy belated birthday!!!! HUGS>> Thanks friend! ^_^

Jaden> <> Yours too? Sometimes someone will be talking, and my mind will be on Neptune somewhere, working on a character design or something equally inopportune. Then, they address me, and I'm like, "Um...huh?" I bet half the people I've interacted with think I'm a stoner. :P
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, January 11, 2000 04:31:27 AM
IP: tnt-2-114-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

****BEING RP!!!****
"Galaxy Quest fan or a sick sense of humor? Both actually.
Thailog!" Alchemist yells, "They've disarmed the bombs timer and are about to get rid of it. Jaden can still remote detonate but I'd like to wait to get him far enough away to survive the blast. Remember I'd prefer him to be alive."
"Hurry! I want as much damage done as possible." Thailog says, "Make him do it now!"
****End RP!!!****
Hey people, I had a nice enough day. How was yours?

Doug-Credit? Lucky. Don't ask questions, just be glad for the free power.

Zath><> And one that fits this time! ;P

Wilek><<Actually I just find a way to refer to it or convey the same idea without having to try and use the word I just forgot>> I do that too, but sometimes my brain will take a nap in the middle of a conversation.

Fleur-Oh we're supposed to run AWAY from you. Stupid me. Welcome back!

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, January 11, 2000 02:32:46 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Fleur wanders in. FLEUR. Remember me? Of course you do. I can tell by the way you're trying to run away. :)*
Hi all,
Well, the world didn't end and the millenium bug didn't crash every computer system on earth. *evil grin* Methinks there's a lot of seriously pissed off survivalists out there, sitting amongst their provisions, coming to the slow realisation that their 'Y2K' assault rifle will be absolutely no use after all. (yes, for those who were not aware, they memorialised the paranoia with a high powered weapon. Nothing more needs to be said.) I spent New Years in Sydney, watching the fireworks (all together now: ohhhh. Ahhhhh. Prit-tee.) Now I'm back at work, and all I can ask myself is: why?

SOROW> That lying sack of vomit should be electrocuted by their computer. Sorry to hear about your mum, I hope she gets better.

Jewel> >*I* *am* *pissed*.< grins Go, girl. Kick some best buy butt.

Wilek, Aaron> Happy belated birthday!!!! HUGS

Matt Dymond>> The new Discworld book, "The Fifth Elephant" is fantastic, buy with confidence.< Got it for christmas, and I've decided Ventari is Xanatos' identical twin. There's no other way to explain it - maybe Terry Pratchet is a Gargoyles fan?

Resident Evil> Has anybody got through the first one in under three hours and gotten that flame-thrower thing, then gone on a massive rampage? Fuuunnn. :) (No, I am not sick. Well, not really sick. I just enjoy it when I can go back in a game and crispy fry the critters who kept killing me the last time I played, okay? :))

Brooklyn> My condolences for your friends. *hugs*

To the person stalking Simon> LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!

Anne> *hugs* No, you aren't suppose to forget about people who died. Remembering them keeps a very small part of them alive.

Xanathar> Thanks for letting everyone know I was okay. I owe you a lot more thanks, but they're in my email. :) As for that web-site� LOL!

Longer post next time - my brain's melted.
TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 11, 2000 01:10:36 AM
IP: cow.cc.monash.edu.au

**RP HERE- BE ADVISED**

In the central square of the City of the Dead on the Plane of Hell, a portal of black fire opens and the demon lord Deavik steps out, flanked by his chronicler Mikus and troop sergeant Lobien. Twenty-four of his insect-demon soldiers follow and then fan out to secure the area. "Where is that fool Mephisto?" Deavik wonders, looking at an hourglass inside which one soul is screaming at the thought of sand pouring down to cover him while another above him sighs in relief as it drains away. The last grains spill out into the bottom and Deavik reverses the glass and the two souls' reactions. "He will be here, Master," Mikus assures him. "Mephisto knows well what will happen if he does not arrive." "No he doesn't," Deavik chuckles. "Because I haven't decided yet what will happen. Having a battle of the Blood War destroy his mansion has come to mind, though." One of the insect-demons makes a warbling noise just then and Deavik's eyes light up, the closest his featureless face can get to a smile, as hoofbeats approach them. "Ah, that should be him now. Lobien, take a detachment of mezzoloths to escort his carriage here." The sergeant bows and then lashes his whip at five insect demons, urging them to comply with the master's command.

The screen changes to the Avatar of Ganon, where Doug, Tricia, Jaden, and Kitainia are watching anxiously as Jammer cuts wires and pulls pins to disarm the bomb on the Onslaught. "You sure you don't need help with that?" Doug asks him. "I just told Wilek you're the best with explosives, but we both know that's not entirely true." "Shut up," Jammer snaps. "Just let me concentrate." With that he cuts one last wire and wipes the sweat from his brow. "There, that should do it. Twenty seconds left, too." "Uh, Jammer," Tricia breaks in. "The timer's still going." Jammer looks down and gasps, then breathes a sigh of relief as it stops at one second. "Obviously whoever put this here is a GalaxyQuest fan." "Or they have a sick sense of humor," sighs Kit. "Let's get the rest of the guys down here to get this equipment out of the truck and into the nearest disposal black hole." Tricia nods and sends out a mass telepathic signal. "Done. By the way, Jim, are you sure you disarmed every trigger on that thing?" "Sure as I can be," he answers hesitantly. "Okay," Doug nods. "I'll call down an expert from Wilek to make sure, but for now that asessment will have to do." He picks up his cell phone to call Wilek again as the screen image fades.

**END FIRST BIT OF THIS POST'S RP**

Greetings, CR dwellers. :) Good news today. I found out Kit and I have some CR (CRedit, that is) with the local electric company here in Austin. Don't know how it happened, but apparently they're not charging me and Kit for electricity this month, nor the one coming up. Cool, huh? The guy at the power company said we must have overpaid them on our last bill, but I know we didn't. So this is just a little lucky twist of fate. :) It's good news because we're spending enough this month on textbooks, school stuff, and the dent some dumbass stupid dork put in Kit's motorbike when they scraped their car against it last night (Kit will tell you more about that, we'd make the guy pay for the dent but he convienently disappeared after doing the deed <grrr>). Anyway, typical stuff going on in our lives. Let's see what I can talk about that's going on in here. :)

Fanfic Progress: Dormant is moving along. I've just finished the introduction scene for the story's one-shot vampire villain (a former English lord named Martin Chesterfield who can actually do a few of the things vampires in stories can do but vampires on Buffy haven't been seen doing so far, such as turn to mist and hypnotize people by looking at them. Very creepy guy.) and his token thugs. Soon they will be attacking the castle but of course first I have to do more Ari development as far as her response to being without her Slayer powers. And the oncoming new semester is of course getting in the way of things. So this story may take a while longer. I make no promises, but I'll try to have it out by the end of the month. Hope it's well recieved when it comes out (lately I've thankfully been feeling better about the scenes I'm writing, which is good, thanks to Wilek for the small amount of help he gave). On to replies.

Zombie Revenge: I have no special tips for it that haven't already been given, except that checking every crate, extra room, and other thing in the game is a good idea. You never know where a good secret weapon will pop up. Two especially good places to find them are in rooms beside the main canal in the sewer level and inside the cars on the train (you can climb down and go inside each one, lots of great stuff in each).

Jannie: So the three ghosts had no effect on your principal? Okay, they've lost two possible customers. <shakes head at Ghost of Christmas Future, saying he expected more at least from him> Sorry to hear your daughter apparently doesn't care about you much, but glad you're handling the situation appropriately. Hope she wises up soon, it's not good for a child to treat a parent the way she treated you (I'm sad to say, though, lots of kids have at times done something like that to their parents, myself included. :( I've since learned it's not right, hope your daughter does someday too). Don't worry about using my name and Kit's in your school stories, it's perfectly okay with us. If you need more, I recommend my stories. Plenty of good names in there, and characters to match them. :) <This has been a shameless plug>

Notting Hill: That's one of my favorite Julia Roberts movies and romance flicks in general, even with Hugh Grant (who I generally don't like) involved. The characterization and script in the film are excellent, as is the development all throughout. Rented it again this weekend (Dusk Till Dawn 3's release has been delayed, <sigh>) and enjoyed it once more. I too recommend the film to everyone in here, and won't say more for fear of creating spoilers. :)

AotN: You've been doing some Raistlin pics? Great. Please let me know when you get them scanned. I'm sure they won't be as good as the Dragonlance covers with him have been, but they'll be nice to see nonetheless. :)

Tim P: Great plans for Alien 5, I think I would be interested in seeing the film if it had your script. Good luck getting it produced.

Jenna: Don't worry, Kit and I have your co-worker in our prayers. Hope he soon gets out of the hospital okay. (Similar wishes to all whose relatives or friends are currently suffering somehow.)

Anne: Re- your brother: <sighs> I know all too well the emotions you're describing. A good childhood friend of mine died when I was twelve, fell off a mountain. Immediately after learning of it and since, I've felt many of the same things you're feeling about your brother now. At the time, I had not seen Leander in years, nor could I really remember much of our time together. But still I grieved, and I continue to. <hugs> So at least one person in here can have a clear idea what you're going through. Hang in there, friend.

Robby: Accessed the DA season 2 premiere recently and that picture came up okay, thanks for mentioning it again. Glad you acknowledged the loading problems, I too was experiencing them earlier. Hope they've been dealt with now.

Grammy Awards: I too agree that they're no big deal anymore, and that 80% or more of the artists nominated don't deserve to be. Don't know who does, since I follow the music industry only through songs and artists I like. I won't say any more than this, except that I hope the fame of the artists that have been nominated for Grammies this year who don't deserve them dies out fast. I know I've been saying this for months, and it hasn't worked, but I'll say it again. :) (And yes, this does include Cristina Aguilera, whose music I detest. Yes, she is cute, but IMO that is no excuse for her driving me crazy with awful songs that the radio DJ insists on playing over and over again. Nor do I like her trying to be a bad girl, IMO she doesn't live up to the image as well as a lot of real ones I know. <grins> And they're a lot cuter and sing better too.)

'60s Music: I too can't stand most of it. Today's pop is much better, "War- What is it good for?" is the only Vietnam protest song with a halfway decent beat, and don't even get me started about hippie music. Some artists of the period, though, are exceptions, and they include Dylan, Martin, and Sinatra. Why has already been stated by other fans of theirs in here (thanks, Skippy, Stephen, and Kit). I enjoy their music whenever I listen to it and will continue to do so, no matter how much other songs from the period make me want to snap CDs in half. :)

Christine: Glad Damien's coming along well. Still looking forward to it, hope it comes out soon. (Same to Coyote on the rest of WCC.)

Pistoff, Denis: Great job on Injustice For All Part 2. I liked all the character development done except for that concerning Elisa (Goliath should have been involved in the story, then it might have been better). Glad to see Castaway's ex wising up about gargs, and especially liked the bits with Jack and Harthoth. The Sword of God goons have to be some of the most viciously portrayed sickos I've ever read of, hope they get theirs soon from some real warriors of good. All in all, great job. I give it a 9/10. Keep up the good work!

Kaioto: Welcome back. Good bit on art and talent, it reminded me how much I've been missing your wise words. :) Hope you'll soon be able to return to your previous posting rate and get back in the RP.

Batman Beyond: I liked this week's ep too, it had good Shriek development and as Tood mentioned, excellent development on Bruce and Terry. Hope to see more eps like this ahead instead of just Terry vs. the bad guy of the week. (I also continue to hope they bring back Paxton Powers and Blight, who I'm considering going out as this Halloween. :)

David G: Glad you're coming out of your sickness okay, hope you continue to do so. Same to anyone else who's sick.

**BEGIN TGS SPOILERS**

Glad there was actually an ep this week, Kit and I freaked when Marlos said there wasn't going to be one. (We'd expected such a thing on April Fool's Day, but not now. Yes, we know it wasn't a trick.) Anyway, read "Second in Command" and found it slightly formulaic but still very good. All the clan were developed well, Goliath especially (his reactions to the selection process were very in character and written well, as was his development all throughout. Same deal with Iago and to a slightly lesser extent Demona). The story also moved along well, and I liked the pic. I too though am wondering why Demona and the Archmage are maintaining such a bad relationship, hope something in it changes soon (though from the way they were in Vows, it might not happen for at least a year). Other than this, the left-out Previously section I mentioned earlier and a few accompanying editing mistakes, and the somewhat formulaic plot in the episode, no problems. 9/10, keep up the good work.

**DA SPOILERS END**

This Week's X-Files: Good new episode last night, surprised no one has yet commented on it. Lots going on that wasn't mentioned in the script, which was good for the atmosphere. The bad guy was cool too. Hope for one at least as good next week (still waiting for them to bring back Krycek and CSM).

Xenatrek: Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely follow it. :) Thanks for not making a big deal out of my pairings last week, too. Apologies to anyone in here who was offended by allusions that were made as a result of such (don't know of anyone who was, but just in case).

Demona: As I said above, I agree that the Archmage's relationship with her needs to move ahead. Hope it does soon, the double blackmail approach sounds like one good way in which it might. As for her being the smartest gargoyle, I will say that while Demona isn't the smartest gargoyle alive, she is the smartest female gargoyle villain I know of, even if her character flaws often get in the way of her intelligence (SJ's most recent post has already pretty much given my assessment of that quality, I won't say it over again). Three guesses as to who my pick for the smartest male gargoyle villain would be, and the first two don't count. <laughs maniacally to provide a hint>

Gargoyle Schemer: Of the three top schemers in gargoyle kind we've seen so far, I think Demona is the most driven, while Iago is the most cunning and Thailog the most adaptable. All these are strengths, and they have molded the characters differently to make all three good villains. Don't know who's the better schemer even though Thailog's my personal fave, they've all had their own measures of failure and success.

AOL-Time Warner Merger: Not surprised it went through, though I am worried about the implications of it. $ Oh well, at least this will give me an excuse to blow AO-HelL's home officers up along with Time-Warner's later in the RP. :) $

Okay, that looks like about all for tonight. I'm tired, so I'll be going now. Later, people!

**RP AGAIN**

In Los Angeles, Asil returns to her penthouse hideout with James VanDerBeek slung over her shoulder. "Whoa!" Storm Eagle gasps. "Signing up with you was the best thing of my life, you just keep bringing in the cute guys!" "Yeah, well, hands off this one," Asil snaps. "He's mine. Provided, of course, he's not the disappointment Leo was." The Dirty Laundry Gang listens and frowns at each other as she says this. "I don't know why she keeps bringing back those boys," Staina whispers to Scrubber and Lint Man. "Aren't there enough here already?" "I agree," says Static, who overheard. "I'm also getting the feeling she's wasting her time with them, that we should be doing something else." "Yeah," Bleach Man nods. "Especially when I'm perfectly willing to give her anything they can." "Shut up, guys," Nylon Man hisses. "You want her to hear you?" The others all immediately close their mouths as Al Detergent walks up to Asil. "What if this one's not what you want?" he asks. "Are you going to get another?" She nods. "Possibly. There's certainly no shortage of possible boytoy candidates here." VanDerBeek awakens just then and looks at her, smiling. "Excuse me," he says, adopting a cocky expression. "I don't know you, but you have to be the most beautiful woman I have ever seen and for some reason I also feel you're the most interesting. Can I please have your name, and know if I'm your type?" Asil regards him with a raised eyebrow and then says, "My name is Asil, and yes, I think you may be my... type." "Well, then," the young teen star chuckles and bows. "I'm at your service, my lady Asil. Just tell me your wish and if it is within my power, it will be fulfilled." Asil smiles, realizing her ray gun has worked the way she wanted it to this time. She walks over and kisses VanDerBeek, then takes the now-smiling young star out of the room after shouting to the others not to disturb them. The DLG watches them go, many rolling their eyes while Socko shakes his head in amazement, Bleach Man sighs heavily, and Staina adopts a Calvin and Hobbes style grossed-out face. "Damn," Storm Eagle says enviously as the bedroom door slams shut. "Asil has to be the luckiest girl alive. Wish I had that gun of hers." "You and me both, lady," says Bleach Man. "You and me both." Detergent hears this and frowns, then turns to answer the telephone as it begins to ring. "Hello? Oh hi, um, Mr. Thailog. This is Al Detergent, I work for Asil. She's indisposed at the moment. Yes, I'll tell her to call you. Right, as soon as she can. Okay, bye." He hangs up and looks confusedly at Storm Eagle. "Uh, is Thailog your boss?" "He is," she confirms. "Hope he didn't get mad at you." "No, but he did say it's time for Asil to be accomplishing her mission here. May I ask what that is?" "I don't know," Storm Eagle replies. "I think only Asil does and she hasn't told us yet." Socko looks at the closed door and raises his eyebrows. "Great. I have a feeling it's not to rob WalMart and build explosives, or kidnap and seduce young movie stars." "Whatever it is," says Scrubber, "she'll tell us in her own good time. All we have to do is wait." The others can only nod in hopeful agreement as the screen goes blank.

**END THIS POST'S RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:32:20 AM
IP: pool-207-205-149-72.dlls.grid.net

Coyote the Bando> I think name's Jonathan Harker, not Benjamin. Been a while since I've read Dracula though.

Skippy> The Star Wars geek armor brigade or whatever you called them? *laughs* I've entertained the notion of perhaps wearing a costume (not of a storm trooper or droid or Boba Fett) to a convention someday, but then I figure I could never pull it off without totally humiliating myself in a humorless way. Besides, I don't have the skills, money, or patience to make my own costume. *wry grin* I love SW, but I think it's, er, excessive when some fans practically foam at the mouth when they get to meet some extra who was in one of the movies.
Anonymous
Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:12:56 AM
IP: spider-wd043.proxy.aol.com

Gner> smartest gargoyle: Are you sure Demona has mastered science? I always worked under the assumption that she bought her viri (not to be confused with viroids or prions), big honking guns, etc.
Also, Macbeth probably could have been as rich as Xanatos, if he wanted to spend the time. However, he decided to dedicate his life to finding Demona. Demona was thinking big, and knew that she needed the resources to completely eliminate the human race, therefore she had a stronger motivation for the acumulation of power.
Odd question: After Sancturary, since Ms. Destine is so much richer than Mr. MacDuff, does Macbeth now collect alimony from Demona?

Different odd questin (relating to the smartest): Who is the better (smarter) schemer: Demona or Iago?

Jewel> Thank you for so honoring one of my countrymen. (family legend has it that we came from the Carpathian Mountains)

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:11:21 AM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Good God, AOhelL is about to conquer the planet. If Bill Gates doesn't do it first, they'll be next in line. Is no one else as frightened as I am that my least favorite internet provider is now the proud owner of one of the largest multimedia agencies in existence?

Jewel: No! ANOTHER rodent! Get a grip on ye, me lass. I had a friend like this before. Couldn't bear to feed the cute little rats to his snake. He wound up with a rather disproportionate rat to snake ratio that wasn't fully resolved. His snake became more aggressive too...I'm sorry, I just hate rats. Let the little buggers get eaten....although I'm none to fond of snakes either.
Of course, I'm one to talk. It's not like I'd enjoy feeding mice to a snake, or any other animal, really. I'm terribly soft-hearted with animals. I could never own a snake because I'd never have the guts to feed another living creature to one of them. I swear, if I was a liberal or had a bleeding heart, I'd probably be into one of those PETA type groups.

Aaron: It was the replacement Zev. Attractive young woman, true, but her character was devoid of anything except a seemingly constant desire for sex. Not that I'm really complaining...

Selanit: I've always been under the assumption that the Archmage underestimates *everybody*, so Demona shouldn't be the exception to the rule. He's always treated others as inferior to him, and his downfall has always been underestimating his foes. He was supremely confidant that he'd kick Goliath's hiney, and he was doing quite well....but he obviously underestimated Goliath and his foes, cause at the end of the day G-money was alive and well while Arch did a David Copperfield and disappeared.

Demona debate: This depends upon your definition of "being smart". If you mean the egg-head type of stuff, maybe Asrial or Lexington are at the top. If you're talking about survival, Demona reigns supreme. Any way you look at it, I don't know how anyone can say Demona's not smart. Her prejudices stand in the way of her REASONING--not her intelligence. She's definitely "smart". Magic, seduction, weaponry, business and finance, manipulation, combat....these are but a few of her traits. Just because she may be blinded by hatred doesn't mean that she's stupid or unintelligent. Her logic is just impeded, and thus her rationality is all screwed up. But that doesn't negate her intellectual abilities. The reason she hasn't killed Elisa or the rest of humanity yet is because she is acting irrationally. That's the thing to remember here--*irrationally*, not *unintelligently*. Example--she wants to kill Elisa. She acts irrationally, and decides to kill her with her bare hands, instead of just picking up a gun and blowing the detective's pretty head off. When she doesn't rip Maza's throat out in the first 3 seconds, her fury builds, until she's this ball of rage that *really* doesn't act logically.
Let's take a look at the theory of multiple intelligences. It's been fairly widely received. A man by the name of Howard Gardner, in 1985, identified six "intelligences": linguistic, musical, logical-mathematical, spatial, bodily-kinesthetic, and personal. I believe that I have studied more than these in one of my psychology clases, but I can't remember more than these six. EVERYONE has somewhat of a degree in all of these IQs. It's simply a matter of which ones one is strongest in. I'd rank Demona high in most of them (can't say much for musical), although, like I said, her logic may be off (although it probably wouldn't effect the mathematical aspect of the IQ). Lex would definitely be high in logical/mathematical, but I find him somewhat lacking in other categories. That's if you want to go down and dirty and get technical with everything.
The point is, you have to focus on numerous areas when regarding IQ or "smartness". I personally feel that Demona is very intelligent, and is in no way a simpleton or an idiot. Her bane is and probably always will be the fact that she continues to let her emotions and prejudices overrule her logic. That doesn't signal a lack of IQ, though. Once she receives clarity, then everyone of the clan is in deep dog doo.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 11:51:40 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

[That was strange, the Add to the Comment Room page just disappeared. If this posts double, I apologize]

Smartest Gargoyle Debate> This is shaping up nicely, but I need to direct things slightly better than I did before (I was sneaking in a post at work).

First, I'm not necessaraly saying Demona is the smartest gargoyle alive, just that she's one of the ones I would put on a list of the possible smartest gargoyles. I do have a personal opinion, and I will reveal it, but not just yet.

Second, I think this discussion will be most interesting if it covers both Dark Ages and modern characters. (among other things, I've only ever read 4 episodes of Dark Ages, so my ability to debate those characters is severely limited)

Third, what I'm really hoping for is to see who other people think is the smartest gargoyle, and why.

Gside> You don't have to call me Mr. Goodner. Mr Goodner is my dad. I am a believer in more than one type of inteligence. Some people are better at different things than others. Asrial is another good candidate, though.

Gyre> Interesting point of view. However, one might note that Macbeth has had almost the same amount of time, and an easier time of interacting with humanity, but so far has not demonstrated Demona's skills in magic, science, or business. With 800 years or so, he COULD have been as rich as Xanatos, yet he has only a third or so of that amount of wealth. Obviously, time isn't the ONLY factor in Demona's development.

Skippy> Demona is blinded by her own prejudices (and psychosis). However, she's still very smart within those limitations. She has mastered the disciplines of magic, science, and business. Any one of those would mark a person as being fairly gifted.

So, any other candidates? I think Demona's still in the running, but I can make a decent case for at least four other gargoyles.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 10:45:59 PM
IP: usr11-dialup250.mix1.irving.cw.net

Hey folks!

Had a pretty good weekend, I hit this convention here in Dallas, the biggest guest was Dirk Benedict from Battlestar Galactica and A-Team. My mom got his picture and thought he was a bit on the odd side...

After the appearnce of the usual Star Wars armor geek brigade at the show, I've decided I'm going to have to add a new element to my costume. I'm going to get a lightsaber handle made and mount a big can opener on the end! The perfect thing to deal with all those pesky Stromtroopers, Battledroids and Bounty Hunters who are over-compensating for personal inadaquecies (You have to admit that Boba Fett is excessively Freudian :)

Demona debate> She ain't that smart. Her anger at humanity is limiting her abilities.

Skippy The Klingon
Monday, January 10, 2000 10:28:50 PM
IP: uv1pm01-16.ultravision.net

Quickie because we just got home from Dearborn, seeing "Fantasia 2000" and just missing FS and LM (they got there late and weren't allowed in ... aww poopie), but I've gotta chime in on Jewel's little gag.

See, I get the joke about Vlad. Not only is Vlad the Impaler another name for Dracula, but in the novel "Dracula" he seduces Benjamin Harker's lovely young wife, Mina. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, January 10, 2000 10:07:54 PM
IP: zzz-209252248061.splitrock.net

Hello everyone, just stopped by to catch up on posts, here's another cute kid joke my sis sent me, hope you enjoy it:

>A three-year-old boy went with his dad to see a litter of kittens.
>On returning home, he breathlessly informed his mother, "There were 2 boy kittens and 2 girl kittens."
"How did you know?" his mother asked.
"Daddy picked them up and looked underneath," he replied.
"I think......
it's printed on the bottom."

catch ya'll next time
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Monday, January 10, 2000 08:59:04 PM
IP: twin6139.magiclink.com

Demona is not the smartest gargoyle alive. Her only advantage is that she has a lot of time on her hands. Given that amount of time, even an idiot can learn. Put another way, if Demona was smart, Elisa, and the rest of humanity would be dead, and Demona would be leading the clan.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Monday, January 10, 2000 08:08:28 PM
IP: genv-124ppp72.epix.net

HELLO AGAIN!

I WROTE MY MESSAGE OUT IN DARK RED, AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE OUT. PLEASE LOOK AT THE MESSAGE BELOW THIS ONE. I'M LOOKING FOR EPISODES.

THANX.
Nikki - [nikki2000@earthlink.net]
Monday, January 10, 2000 07:01:03 PM
IP: pool0434.cvx18-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net

...and Jewel acquires another rat, because her stupid snake won't eat. He tried to bite me when I was putting him in Mina's cage, so his name is Vlad (if y'all get the whole joke, three bonus points). This is the last one. I put my foot down. With any luck, Vlad and Mina will reproduce and I won't have to buy any more rats to feed Max (as wacked out as the idea is...)
jewel
Monday, January 10, 2000 06:59:49 PM
IP: atlnb106-39.splitrock.net

HELLO!

I WAS WONDERING IF BY CHANCE IF ANYONE RECORDED ANY EPISODES THE GARGOYLES SERIES? I AM CURRENTLY SEARCHING FOR A SELECT FEW EPISODES AND I WILL GLADLY PAY FOR YOUR COSTS. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL ME: nikki2000@earthlink.net OR RESPOND TO ME AT THIS SITE. IF ANYONE COULD HELP ME, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRICATED.

THANX!
Nikki - [nikki2000@earthlink.net]
Monday, January 10, 2000 06:59:03 PM
IP: pool0434.cvx18-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net

Crzy> I like. :) And yes, I would prefer colored, to get the full effect. Thanks for doing this so fast. I was serious when I said anytime between here and July.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 06:58:25 PM
IP: ppp-388.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

AARON - well... Here is your Demona... I think I got carried away... what do you think?

How do you want this colored? Or do you want it colored at all. ;) Let's talk!! :)
CrzyDemona - [<--- Demona for Aaron's Shirt]
Monday, January 10, 2000 06:54:35 PM
IP: 209.150.94.69

Mr. Goodner> <<Demona is possibly the smartest gargoyle alive>>: I know why you are expecting debate, and why you will ultimately support your statement. You are expecting people to bring up Asrial due to her pure mechanical/technical aptitude (who I will support). You are then going to bring up the concept of multiple intelegences. For those who don't know, this theory states that people can be just as smart, but in different areas, such as reasoning, computation, or social interaction. You would say that Demona is a genius in using others for her purposes, but looking at her recent concersation with Goliath, ond other similar previous conversations, I would disagree. I would say that she has yet to lean these shills, perhaps starting in Vows.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, January 10, 2000 06:03:23 PM
IP: proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

*** DA Spoilers (Which is weird, since I don't read DA)***
Selanit> I haven't read the stories in question, but one reason occurs to me. Demona may deliberately want the Archimage to underestimate her. If he were to recognize her true potential, he might see her as a threat. (She's already stronger than him, has a good ally base, and will outlive him by many decades even if she only has a normal gargoyle lifespan). If he decided she was a threat, he might refuse to teach her any more at all, or even move to destroy her.

Demona is possibly the smartest gargoyle alive. She'd probably have most of that figured out, and she's probably also learning more than the Archimage is teaching...

***End Spoilers, Resume slow day in CR***

And, yes, I'm hoping to generate some debate with that "Demona is possibly the smartest gargoyle alive" comment. I may come back later and explain my reasoning, but I hope some other people will post on the subject first.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 05:16:58 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*** DA spoilers, lash and stow! ***

I am a bit confused by the Archmage's treatment of Demona. He continues to ignore her except when he wants some scutwork done, and teach her as little as possible. Why? He is certainly an intelligent man, aware of Demona's magical potential; and he does not seem the sort to let predjudice against gargoyles in general prevent him from using her abilities to the utmost.

So why does he continue in the same vein? The Archmage is piping a tune that has gotten dull -- the subplot needs further development. It is stagnating.

To be fair, Demona is supporting this behavior in a strange sort of way. She is always subservient to him, and that surely must go against the grain. If she would confront him, give him a metaphorical kick in the pants, then he might step back, take a good hard look at her, and stop underestimating her.

Alternatively, she could do with a hold on him, such as he has on her. The Archmage bound Demona apprentice after she inadvertently summoned the Nuckleavee, making her 'prenticeship a condition of his silence on the matter. In effect, he blackmailed her. The Archmage is always scheming -- if Demona were to uncover something that she could use to blackmail him in return, he would *certainly* stop underestimating her. Besides which, blackmailing the Archmage would be a first, small step along the dark path to her betrayal of the clan.

So, that's my bit. Two cents is a high price for it. The ep was pretty good.

** END SPOILERS (even though I didn't really spoil much) **
Selanit - [martinwd@colorado.edu]
Monday, January 10, 2000 04:57:29 PM
IP: halifax.lancs.ac.uk

Waves at Mara, and offers her some cake.

One day, you must explain what that nickname means.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 02:49:45 PM
IP: ppp-60.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

**boogies in after, what, a week? Xelloss-kun rests on her shoulder, and promptly bolts as he sees Hyena-chan dressed up as Bellandy.**

How rude!

*Xelloss-kun sweet talks Hyena-chan in a low voice, catching the attention of several other chibis*

Anyway, sorry I haven't been posting, too lazy... What's up?
Mara "kill the children too" Franchetti ^_^ - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 02:27:21 PM
IP: spider-wj013.proxy.aol.com

Aaron takes a break from scarfing cake to pull out his enormous boombox from under his coat, which starts playing "Shadows of the Night" by Pat Benetar.

Today is the birthday of one of my fave rock 'n rollers, Pat Benetar.

Thanks.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 02:25:06 PM
IP: ppp-374.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Aaron wanders in with Hyena-chan, who's dressed like Belldandy from Oh, My Goddess for some reason, perched on his shoulder.

She says it's for my birthday wish... She's going to be with me forever. (Aaron mouths the words Help Me)

Had a quiet weekend, except for waking up with a "Spinner" Beanie Buddy on my face. (For those not into plush collectables, that's a stuffed spider the size of a dinner plate)

I did not panic. I like spiders, and besides, I know real ones aren't that soft and cuddly.

Finally got to see the first eps of Oh, My Goddess and Neon Genesis Evangelion, both of which were pretty good.

Well, the 'boys let me down. I predicted that they'd get beat by the Saints *and* the Rams this year. Of course, when I said that, I had no idea that (a) the Rams wouldn't suck this year and, (b) the Cowboys would have to beat the Vikes just to meet the Rams.

Robby> GD collection. True... Though I'm more proud of my Genus collection. ;)

Kit> Thanks. I thought that door looked promising, but we moved on before I could get to it. Will definately try it next time.

Coyote> (Accepts remote) I think I'll choose angel food. Anybody who wants a piece, come dig in. (Hyena-chan begins attacking the cake) And you get that hamstring feeling better, before I have to send someone over and bend you like Rocket Ishmial. :)

Delphi> The god joke. LMAO.

SJ> Lexx> Well, SCI-FI is showing a multi-season run in no order, so don't expect the show to make too much sense. BTW, who was playing Zev (en of nine) in the ep you saw. Apparently there are two Zevs, the original blonde one and her replacement, a redhead.

Wilek> Oh, good. I wasn't the only one who thought of Preacher when I heard that joke.

Warpmind> Well, I don't like scotch *or* coffee, but I will take a glass of that red to toast your cousin gone.

FS> Hmmmm. Well, there's a closer river down here I could cross if I wanted to go drinking. The Rio Grande. But given my luck, I'd end up at the Titty Twister.

Jodi>I believe Disney is going to build it's own IMAX here too, having been unable to come to a deal with our local IMAX. Apparently, they couldn't stop showing Alamo: The Price of Freedom for just a few weeks.

I think I better get some cake now, before the hordes of hungry chibi's get to it.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 01:51:44 PM
IP: ppp-79.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Gside> Interesting. I'd read about the Smoot somewhere, but I didn't remember it at the time I made that post. I guess that explains why the fictional MIT engineer in the comic called his drive the "Smoot Drive."

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 11:04:23 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Well, I'm just tickled to death this morning! We started getting entries for the Gargoyles Reunion Art Contest this weekend and the very first one is an illustration from the TGS story "Daylight." I'm really looking forward to seeing what other masterpieces will be entered!
Spike
Monday, January 10, 2000 11:00:22 AM
IP: pppt04-193.ght.iadfw.net

Hey Pokemon fans- check what I just put up on ebay-

More comments to ya all in a bit!!!
jenna
Monday, January 10, 2000 09:50:12 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Sorry for the triple post everyone but CLICK on my name,this is priceless ;)

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 10, 2000 08:30:07 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

*Excuse me everybody but there's something that I have to say*

Jannie re Principal:I've said it before but I'll say it again...That woman is a complete and total B!T#H!! >:(

*Xanathar goes back into lurk mode*

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 10, 2000 08:24:53 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Janie: Re: Steak Dinner >> *LOL* Yep... in today's society people *do* go dutch. I think it will be fun.

Joe: Re: You and Sorow >> Sorow already covered that area for me. Thanks, I'm still embarrassed. Doug's the one that paired you two together as well as GB and me. So I just assumed.... once again I apologized.

Doug Re: Pairing people >> For future referece, you may want to check with the people before assuming they are paired and if they are, maybe you can tell how they are paired, ie couples, engagement, etc., to avoid more embarrasments. Thanks. *hugs*

Wilek: Re: Someday soon, I'm going to have to find the address blocker feature thingie of Yahoo's mail interface... >> Its under the options tab on Yahoo Mail. Or better yet, while you're reading the email, there is an item next to the name that saids: 'block address'. Click on that and it *should* prevent you from getting email from that 'person'... so far it has worked for me on one 'person'.

XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, January 10, 2000 07:58:22 AM
IP: gopher0.national.aaa.com

Jodi/Katara> that was me that encouraged participants to get their reservations in early or asap. :) Email me and I'll either answer your questions or at least give you the links or resource you'll need.

Zath> I just read in the G2K newsletter that Disney was offering Gargoyle pins at Disneyworld....something about a pin-trading activity that is done between the customers and the employees. You came thru Houston?? If you do that again, let me know and if your layover is long enough for a visit, I'll be happy to come to the airport and visit with you for a while :)

My principal at work: her only child, a son and his wife had a child about 3 yrs ago... they adopted a child this past summer. She barely acknowledges the adopted grandchild and continues to spoil the "real" (her words) grandchild with toys, gifts, attention, etc. while basically ignoring the newest granchild. In her office you will find all kinds of framed photographs of the 1st grandchild and none of the 2nd. All because this child is adopted and not "real" blood of the family. *shakes head* She is truly a sick woman... she is mean & vicious and will rot in hell.
Now I must get ready for work and face another day with her being in the same building. *sighs*

Denis and Fred> Once again, great job on Injustice For All, part 2 =) I'm very proud of you two! *group hug*

*hugs and kiss for Denis*
Jannie - [jgmiller@teacher.esc4.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 07:34:05 AM
IP: 196-103.c.esc4.net

Hi all!!

Warpmind:Doom 2 was the first game that I ever got for my PC when it was a brand new 486(With PC speaker providing sound effects*BEEP* :) ).
I'd to offer my sincre condolences for your cousin my friend:(

Tim P:Woah!,That Pulse rifle is cool!

Fire Storm:<<Check this place out. http://www.ttlg.com>>Ah,Through the Looking glass.com,one of my favourite hang outs:)<<System Shock stuff. (I downloaded ALL of the MP3 files of the music. Fun!)>>Nab some MP3's from SS2 as well,Great music,Epecially the first one on the top of the list(It's from the game credits and has the voice of a cyborg assassin overlaid on top,it's cool!.
Also have you tried downloading the Thief 2 demo,It's a massive download(136 meg,but judging buy your IP address,you've got a T2 line so that shouldn't be to much of a problem:) )I'm just curious to know what it's like seeing as I loved the original.

Robby re Disney Calender:Gargoyles gets left out again,how typical! >:(

New Darkages story:Great story guys!!,The picture was good to.:)

C'yas'later!!(I have to try and finish painting my Blood Angels Death company)

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 10, 2000 07:14:50 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Classes start again tomorrow (today?), but I'm not tired yet, so I'll catch up on replies before going to bed

Aaron> <<Ahhh, you guys do the *tame* virgin sacrifice.>> Well, there were some others my friend told me about, but I don't think I could describe them very well without violating the PG/PG-13 rating of the CR.

Fire Storm> <<They do all that for Rocky Horror?>> They don't call it audience participation for nothing. : ) <<So they changed the name of the movie again?>> Anything is better than "The Search For Connor"

SJ> <<somebody has finally merged sci-fi entertainment with pseudo-soft-core pornography!>> What about that show "Perversions of Science" that was on HBO a couple of years ago. I saw one episode (I remember Kevin Pollok(sp?) played a guy whose girlfriend was forced to wear some sort of high-tech chastity belt by her parents, so he got desperate and ended up using a sex-droid, which malfunctioned so he couldn't get it off him) and immediately put it on my "never again if I can at all avoid it" list. <<Of course, I also feel that Johnny Neumonic wasn't a *totally* horrid film. That film, unlike the Matrix, suffered from far too much Keanu.>> *ugh* That movie had almost as little in common with the story it was based on as The Lawnmower Man had with the short story Stephen King wrote.

Jaden> <<I...uh, I wish for um...I wish for a shoe.>> At least that would give you something to wish for next year. "I wish for a second shoe." : )

Delphi> <<God is missing and they think we did it>> *LOL* <<Phew! Does this bathroom stink! Hu Flung Dung?>> That reminds me of some silly play I saw once that had a summer camp's cook named Hu Flung Chow and his brother Far Flung Chow.

Wilek> <<Wilek disintegrates, having been grossed out of existence>> *lol* I'll have to remember that one... << Then, a rare beneficial form of sanity (or perhaps an administrative form of insanity) stepped in and scrapped the project. Thank the stars for that.>> I don't know, it sounded like it could have been pretty good if handled properly.

Warpmind> <<"555 - The number of the wannabeast" "Sick, sick, sick - The humor of the beast">> *LOL* I want those two! <<that neuralyzer from MiB. And... oh, what's the point? I'll never be able to afford that stuff before it's out of stock, anyway.>> Lately I've been thinking it would be interesting to try to build a replica of one using the guts of a disposable camera, some red cellophane, and an old fat pen.

Jodi/Katara> <<they couldn't come to an agreement with the IMAX theater at the LA Exposition Park>> **pouts** That stinks! If they had, it would have been within walking distance for me. Exposition Park is right across the street from the campus, and all us freshmen were treated to a free IMAX movie about sharks the first week, a couple of days before classes started.

Gside> <<the Bruno, or the volume of asphalt displaced by the six story free fall of an upright piano, determined to be 1158 cm^3.>> *LOL* but since the tar in the asphalt would get softer as it got hotter, wouldn't the amount displaced by the piano vary with the temperature?

Pistoff> I should have those two pictures I mentioned last week scanned and ready to send to you in a day or two. Hopefully your wonky ISP will let them through to you...

Disney Pins> I forget who mentioned those pins in here earlier, but I had seen them on my way through the Houston airport before Christmas, and I noticed they were releasing new ones each week, so I was able to maintain at least a small hope that we would get a gargoyle pin releases in one of the remaining two batches of the year. Unfortunately, I looked again on Friday on my way back to school, and my last little bit of hope was shattered. I wonder if the pin we were hoping for was junked because the Davy Crocket pin they released a couple of months ago had the wrong date, so they had to re-do it and release it with the final batch. At least I think it was the Davy Crocket pin. They had a sign on the display mentioning how you wouldn't need the defective one "to complete your collection." I want to know who would be stupid enough to spend the $500 or whatever necessary to get that many silly little pins anyway. I can understand wanting a couple, but all of them?!? That's just nuts�

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 05:06:25 AM
IP: ppp-229-224.usc.edu

Jessie> <<I began to play "Wedding Bell Blues," by the 5th Dimension, turned off my mic, and started singing along with it, just belting it out at the top of my lungs: "Bill, I love you so; I always will..." At this point, something taps me on the shoulder. I just about jumped out of my skin, since I was alone here, and the place is locked. I whirled around in my chair to see my boss behind me. This in itself would've been embarrassing, but here's the kicker: my boss's name is Bill. He gave me a bemused smile, tapped his wedding ring and shrugged. "Sorry," he said, "I'm already taken.">> ACK! O_O' I would have just staged my death and become a recluse...

Warpmind> Check your e-mail. ^_^ <> After some of the stuff I've done to him, it'll be a miracle if he can even have descendants. >;) <<as Lore turned out to be a deceitful, greedy, power-mad lunatic android, I couldn't help realizing "Oh my God! It's Puck!". The behavior, the inflexions... so identical... I was part amazed, part amused...>> Wow...I've seen that ep (one of my favorites), but I never really noticed the similarities...I have it on tape; I'll have to watch it again. :) <> Not that there's much use for piracy anymore--Id Software has released the source code for the engine, and even now someone is working on an upgraded version of the executable. :) If I ever find it again, I'll link to it here...<<Eighteen years ago, on this day, he who would have been my youngest cousin died, at the early age of about two weeks... Upon the occasion, my kin have made it a custom to play "Tears in Heaven" on this date.>> My sincerest condolences, friend. :`(

Robby> <<And you notice... No Beauty and the Beast. No Gargoyles. No Talespin related stuff. No Fantasia or Fantasia 2000. NOTHING geared towards the more adult audience. (except maybe Hunchback and Black Cauldron). And unfortunatley, since Disney is lying their arses off about having anything to do with anime, no clue about Princess Mononoke.>> I knew they were dumb, but *eesh*... <sigh> It's time I took over, then. Where'd I leave my dimension shifter bombs...

XenaTrek> <<The first time I accessed it, several months ago, I got stuck with their redundant newsletter... so I called the place collect to have them remove me from the 'list'.... so far with the account I have yet to receive any....>> I hope they continue to leave you alone. :) Someday soon, I'm going to have to find the address blocker feature thingie of Yahoo's mail interface...

David G> <<My personal favorite ever FTL drive was introduced in a comic book called "Free Space" (I think). It was called the "Smoot drive." The idea was that some MIT engineer figured out how to build a small matter transmitter. Unfortunately, it could only teleport something one micron. Fortunately, he figured out that it could teleport something one micron over and over again, really fast. Basically, it was stop motion space travel.>> WoW...and the restrictions about relativity and light speed travel wouldn't apply because the ship would barely be 'moving', in the proper sense, at all...*brilliant*! >:D

Jaden> <<When you forget what somethings called do you ever try to describe it and you can't do it. "You know it's round like this, and you can use like you know to...kind of...um...like this size...oh what is it? Oh yeah a tennis ball.">> Actually, I just find a way to refer to it or convey the same idea without having to try and use the word I just forgot. That's part of the reason my writing style, both here and in my fics, is so convoluted sometimes. ;)
Wilek Nereus
Monday, January 10, 2000 02:43:55 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

**GRAON** the rooms been wiped already. *sigh* I need some help please. Sometime this weekend, someone posted some info RE making reservations at the Ramada for G2K. Idiot me forgot to copy it down, and right now I'm just to tired(ie lazy) to scroll through last weeks comment room. Basically it was about having the hotel hold your reservations for you now with the use of a credit card number. I have a few questions about that as the Powers That Be are smart enough not to give me one. =] Could who ever posted that info EM me? Thanks Mega-Bunches *huggles to all*
Jodi/Katara (Zoo7788-AOL) - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Monday, January 10, 2000 02:21:35 AM
IP: abdbf7e9.ipt.aol.com

Hey, just got off another boring day at work. What was nice is that I just started reading Pandora by Anne Rice. It's pretty good so far.

Wilek- <<And I am talking common works like 'proven' or 'sentence'.>> I know what that's like. I'm trying to remember this one word...GOT IT!...'the' ;) Seriously though, getting wires crossed in the brain seems dead on. When you forget what somethings called do you ever try to describe it and you can't do it. "You know it's round like this, and you can use like you know to...kind of...um...like this size...oh what is it? Oh yeah a tennis ball."

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Monday, January 10, 2000 01:59:16 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Xenatrek:ENGAGED? MARRIAGE? WHAT?*Joe runs and hides in the closet*j/k:)I love SOROW more than my own life, and would give my life for her, but I'm not ready to marry her and start making her pop out some babies. There's still plenty of time before we do anything like that. But like she said, we are very flattered. (LMAO)

SOROW: FACIAMUS INFANTES STATIM!
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:52:58 AM
IP: spider-th051.proxy.aol.com

TGS STAFF: Am reading new episode, and for some reason the Previously... section is for some reason missing. Thought I'd let you know. Now back to what looks like a good tale.
Doug
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:35:09 AM
IP: pool-207-205-146-231.dlls.grid.net

***BEGIN RP***
Meanwhile, in Hell....

The demon lord Mephisto readied himself for his meeting with Devik in the City of the Dead. As he stepped outside of his large mansion, a large carriage pulled up to the door. It was made from the bone and skin of sinners, and bridled to it were not horses of flesh and bone, but two large, viscious looking bestial demons. They gnashed their teeth as their master, accompanied by a handful of his servants and assistants, entered into the carriage. After a moment, the coach continued down the road towards the City of the Dead.
No one noticed that the lone figure of Sevarius Jr. held onto the rear of the coach as it proceeded onto the City, to the rendezvous with the demon lord Devik...
***END RP***

Movie News!!!! Latest word out of Tinsel Town now is that the oh-so-popular Harry Potter books are going to be adapted into movies. Well, the first one will at least. I believe that a screenplay is either already finished or currently being developed. The big news is the pair of directors who are rumored to be wanting a piece of the film. On the one hand, you have heavy hitter/fan favorite Stephen Spielberg interested in the pic. No doubt the thought of a Spielberg-helmed Harry Potter book appeals to many, and hey, let's be realistic--if he wants it, he'll probably get it. I'm none to thrilled at the idea, cause frankly, at this point I can't stand Spielberg at all, no matter if he makes good movies or not.
The other director rumored to be taking an interest in the film is....drumroll.....David Fincher!!!! God, would that be interesting!!! If you don't know who he is, he's the man responsible for such cinematic masterpieces as Se7en and Fight Club. Goddamn, I'd love to see him get his hands on Harry Potter. Let the cries of anguish and "he's too dark! I don't want my Harry to be dark!" begin!
Like I said, though, even though I love Fincher's work dearly, if Spielberg wants it, he'll get it. Cause EVERYONE bends over and takes it up the wazzoo for Spielberg. Feh.

Clive Barker news: For those who care, Clive Barker is reportedly working on a "Books of Blood" anthology movie. 3 of his "books" will be made into one film. The choices I've heard are "Humain Remains", "Dread" (this one should be REALLY freaky), and "Pig Blood Blues" (which always scared the hell out of me). Hopefully these will be done well....Barker suffers from Stephen King syndrome. His writing may be wonderful, but his work doesn't, for the life of him, translate well to the celluloid medium. Personally, I'm holding out for a big-screen Damnation Game (how f***ed up would *that* be?) or a Weaveworld miniseries/tv show (although it'd have to be on premium cable, so they'd both have a budget and keep it rated at least R)
He's also rumored to be working on developing for Universal 3 Poe like tales sort of like his classic "New Murders in the Rue Morgue". And there's talk of him writing another Books of Blood collection.

Stephen: Hey, I said we'd probably loose next week. We'll probably lose very, very badly, and will be very, very embarassed. But beside that point, it's just plain fun to joke and call the Buccs a sanitary napkin! ;) No hard feelings though, they're a hell of a team. :)

Coyote: Don't wanna add salt to the wound, but personally, I think you lost cause your team unfortunately has Gus "Headbutt the Wall" Frerotte as its quarterback. Boy, am I glad we lost him last year. Now we got us a good QB by the name of Huck Finn....uh, I mean Brad Johnson...
You do know the story of how Gus got that nickname, right? He scored a touchdown for us last year (something quarterbacks don't often get to do, honestly), but then the guy goes and headbutts the wall during his celebration....and gives himself a concussion. No offense, but I don't think he's really a mental giant. Charlie Batch wouldn't do something like that! ;)

Warpmind: I'd give the award for "Most Improbable Aliens" to the Star Trek Franchise. You can talk about Babylon 5, but at least a few of their aliens were clearly not human or even humanoid (like the Vorlons or the Shadows, and essentially all of the "First Ones"). Star Trek? They seem to have about 804 different kinds of aliens that are only discernibly alien cause they have a funky nose. I swear to God! Bajorans, Vulcans, Romulans, just about every alien on Voyager....I see more inhuman looking beings on the downtown subway system where I live. I wish they'd spend a little more money on their makeup budget.
Oh, and about the Tomb Raider thing....I was gonna figure out a way to have Lara time travel back to about the 30s or 40s, to team up with Indy in his prime. And to have an excuse for the two to suck face. It'd be an action story AND a romance novel! ;)

Jessie Feff: So you're a DJ, huh? Please, you aren't one of those jive-talking radio personalities are you? You can always tell those guys. You know who I'm talking about. "Bing Bong, traffic n' weather together! It's ten past the hour, and say, don't forget about the big chili cookoff this weekend!" Radio seems like a fun gig, but I've heard plenty of horror stories about program directors and general managers. I'm told they are often the bane of a DJ's existence.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:29:25 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

**Ladies and Gentlemen, apologies for technical confusion**

We now present for your reading pleasure:

Second In Command

Written by Shauntell Holm

Artwork by Shauntell Holm
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:17:34 AM
IP: denm1-17.iglobal.net

Top ten! :D
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:16:56 AM
IP: ctrts1-4.mrs.umn.edu

Top10

Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:16:46 AM
IP: spider-wg044.proxy.aol.com

Top 10?
Wilek Nereus
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:04:40 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Top ten!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:58:48 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Wow!! Top Ten.
Yooper_99
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:35:42 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

I'm also an engineering student and feel the compulsive need to delurk for this one...

Speed of light> The speed of light is constant only in a vacuum. Light slows down in any other material (glass, water, etc.) In fact, the different colors of light travel different speeds other materials, which is why a prism or a raindrop splits light into a spectrum.

As far as not knowing which event took first on a distant star> I recall reading about this in a book on relativity I checked out of the library where it explained why. I don't remember the exact reason for this, but I'll check the book out again and post it. (If I remember--my inability to remember to check e-mail and comment rooms is the reason I usually lurk. I forget to check for a couple of weeks every so often and miss all the threads.)
Yooper_99 - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
Houghton, MI, USA
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:34:08 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

Jannie> names: You are very welcome. At least you aren't asking me to write your exams for you.

Mr. Goodner> Smoot: Oliver Reed Smoot Jr. was an alumnus of MIT, and his mark has indeed been indellably left. For the uninitiated, a Smoot is a unit of measure ~5'7" long, and was first used to measure the Hahvahd Bridge (364.4 Smoots + one ear). The good Mr. Smoot was told to mark off the bridge in lengths of his body for his fraternity pledge (lambda chi alpha). The marks have since been repainted by the police and have gained accptance by the police who use them in accident reports.

Another MIT unit of measurement I enjoy is the Bruno, or the volume of asphalt displaced by the six story free fall of an upright piano, determined to be 1158 cm^3.

5th.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:26:36 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Top Ten...
Ordell - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:19:56 PM
IP: ppp-82.ode.cableone.net

Top Ten!!
AotN
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:18:07 PM
IP: fn-39-31.sssnet.com

TOP TEN!! WOO HOO!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:16:43 PM
IP: zzz-209252248212.splitrock.net

Just posting to let everyone know that there will be no episode of TGS this week. But, worry not, things will continue next week.

Off for a well-deserved cat nap.
Tony "Marlos" Teakles
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, January 9, 2000 11:13:46 PM
IP: ts7-79t-45.idirect.com

f his large mansion, a large carriage pulled up to the door. It was made from the bone and skin of sinners, and bridled to it were not horses of flesh and bone, but two large, viscious looking bestial demons. They gnashed their teeth as their master, accompanied by a handful of his servants and assistants, entered into the carriage. After a moment, the coach continued down the road towards the City of the Dead.
No one noticed that the lone figure of Sevarius Jr. held onto the rear of the coach as it proceeded onto the City, to the rendezvous with the demon lord Devik...
***END RP***

Movie News!!!! Latest word out of Tinsel Town now is that the oh-so-popular Harry Potter books are going to be adapted into movies. Well, the first one will at least. I believe that a screenplay is either already finished or currently being developed. The big news is the pair of directors who are rumored to be wanting a piece of the film. On the one hand, you have heavy hitter/fan favorite Stephen Spielberg interested in the pic. No doubt the thought of a Spielberg-helmed Harry Potter book appeals to many, and hey, let's be realistic--if he wants it, he'll probably get it. I'm none to thrilled at the idea, cause frankly, at this point I can't stand Spielberg at all, no matter if he makes good movies or not.
The other director rumored to be taking an interest in the film is....drumroll.....David Fincher!!!! God, would that be interesting!!! If you don't know who he is, he's the man responsible for such cinematic masterpieces as Se7en and Fight Club. Goddamn, I'd love to see him get his hands on Harry Potter. Let the cries of anguish and "he's too dark! I don't want my Harry to be dark!" begin!
Like I said, though, even though I love Fincher's work dearly, if Spielberg wants it, he'll get it. Cause EVERYONE bends over and takes it up the wazzoo for Spielberg. Feh.

Clive Barker news: For those who care, Clive Barker is reportedly working on a "Books of Blood" anthology movie. 3 of his "books" will be made into one film. The choices I've heard are "Humain Remains", "Dread" (this one should be REALLY freaky), and "Pig Blood Blues" (which always scared the hell out of me). Hopefully these will be done well....Barker suffers from Stephen King syndrome. His writing may be wonderful, but his work doesn't, for the life of him, translate well to the celluloid medium. Personally, I'm holding out for a big-screen Damnation Game (how f***ed up would *that* be?) or a Weaveworld miniseries/tv show (although it'd have to be on premium cable, so they'd both have a budget and keep it rated at least R)
He's also rumored to be working on developing for Universal 3 Poe like tales sort of like his classic "New Murders in the Rue Morgue". And there's talk of him writing another Books of Blood collection.

Stephen: Hey, I said we'd probably loose next week. We'll probably lose very, very badly, and will be very, very embarassed. But beside that point, it's just plain fun to joke and call the Buccs a sanitary napkin! ;) No hard feelings though, they're a hell of a team. :)

Coyote: Don't wanna add salt to the wound, but personally, I think you lost cause your team unfortunately has Gus "Headbutt the Wall" Frerotte as its quarterback. Boy, am I glad we lost him last year. Now we got us a good QB by the name of Huck Finn....uh, I mean Brad Johnson...
You do know the story of how Gus got that nickname, right? He scored a touchdown for us last year (something quarterbacks don't often get to do, honestly), but then the guy goes and headbutts the wall during his celebration....and gives himself a concussion. No offense, but I don't think he's really a mental giant. Charlie Batch wouldn't do something like that! ;)

Warpmind: I'd give the award for "Most Improbable Aliens" to the Star Trek Franchise. You can talk about Babylon 5, but at least a few of their aliens were clearly not human or even humanoid (like the Vorlons or the Shadows, and essentially all of the "First Ones"). Star Trek? They seem to have about 804 different kinds of aliens that are only discernibly alien cause they have a funky nose. I swear to God! Bajorans, Vulcans, Romulans, just about every alien on Voyager....I see more inhuman looking beings on the downtown subway system where I live. I wish they'd spend a little more money on their makeup budget.
Oh, and about the Tomb Raider thing....I was gonna figure out a way to have Lara time travel back to about the 30s or 40s, to team up with Indy in his prime. And to have an excuse for the two to suck face. It'd be an action story AND a romance novel! ;)

Jessie Feff: So you're a DJ, huh? Please, you aren't one of those jive-talking radio personalities are you? You can always tell those guys. You know who I'm talking about. "Bing Bong, traffic n' weather together! It's ten past the hour, and say, don't forget about the big chili cookoff this weekend!" Radio seems like a fun gig, but I've heard plenty of horror stories about program directors and general managers. I'm told they are often the bane of a DJ's existence.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, January 10, 2000 12:29:25 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net