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****THIS GOOFY RP BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE GOOD FOLKS OF THE MAIN CR****
Kari grabbed a handful of Ally McBeal's hair and pulled. CLumps of it came out in her hands, leaving the waifish lawyer screaming in agony and shock.
"My hair! My beautiful hair! How can I hit on every single male that moves without my lovely hair!" Ally wailed.
"Stuff it, witch," Kari sneered, and she yanked the anorexic tv character up to her feet. Several more blows left Ally dazed and confused. Before she could finish Ally off with a knockout blow, she was inadvertantly knocked to the side by a brawling SJ and Regis.
"Old....man! Get.....off..of...*oof!** me!!!" SJ grunted, as he shoved Regis to the side.
"I've got a surprise for you!" the game show host said. He grinned, showing his perfect row of capped teeth. One of the teeth began to wiggle oddly. SJ arched his eyebrows in surprise, but quickly ducked as the wiggling tooth suddenly came lose and shot forward with explosive speed. "Ha!" Regis said proudly. "My fake teeth double as projectile weaponry! Who wants to be a dead hero?" He prepared another mouthful of dental firepower...
****PAUSE RP***

Ah...the Tampa Bay game. I was pulling for them. But the Rams....the Rams may be the best team in football this year. I think they may be unstoppable, and more than likely will win the Superbowl this year. But at least Tampa made it to the championship, and played very well year round. You can't call them losers in my book.

Golden Globe awards: Did anybody else watch these tonight? I caught a glimpse of them, in between the crummy X-Files that was on tonight. It seems that, as usual, the favorites won. Only real upset was that Hilary Swank won over Annette Benning for "Boys Don't Cry". Can't say I wasn't pulling for her, she did a great job in that movie. And for you Sixth Sense fans, blame Tom Cruise for stealing the award from that litle kid. :(

Jack of All Trades: Caught the premiere today. It looks like fun :) Bruce Campbell sticks to what he's exceptionally good at--a real smartass superhero. Jack Stiles is a pretty fun character; he seems more like Autolycus than Ash, but it's Bruce at his best :) I'm looking forward to more episodes of this show; it's kind of campy, in a good way, with some good action thrown in.
Anybody see the other show, Cleopatra 2525? A bit odd....not that bad, but it does seem to hope to draw its largest audience based upon the attributes of is female leads (but to that end, actress Jennifer Sky is damn cute ;).

Wilek: Hmm....Poe and Jay wouldn't work. Poe was kind of short, with thick black hair, I believe sideburns, and a moustache. He looked perpetually melancholy and solemn, which I suppose he really was. Jay, if I'm not mistaken, is of average height (if not tall), is probably at least in his late fifties/early sixties, has a receding hair line with grey hair on the edges, usually sports a goatee. and (I think) has a rather angular face. He's got one freaky, evil voice though ;)
BTW, do you mean that G.I.Joe episode where the Joes went to Transylvania to stop Dr. Mindbender from obtaining Vlad Tepes DNA? That was cool! Skeletons and ghosts and stuff! The old Joe show was fun. Wish I could find reruns of it.
And you're not alone--Captain Power was *awesome*! It only lasted like one season, though. Ah, I too am a child of the 80s ;)

***RESUME RP****
Kari and SJ cower together against a bulkhead as Ally and Regis approach. Philbin's mouth was wide open, as he prepared to send a mouthful of teeth towards the two young heroes to finish them off.
"Kari, remember always that I love you!" SJ said, holding her hand.
"I...I love you too, SJ!" she replied. They waited for the end.
It happened a second later....the end of Ally and Regis, that is. In a flash of light, both annoying tv personalities were vaporized from behind. Standing a few feet away was a very weary, ugly little creature holding a captured pulse rifle.
"Hey! It's him!" SJ cried happily.
"Who?" Kari asked, thorougly confused.
"My little friend! The one I wanted you to meet on the basketball course! Dyssentry, right?"
"No, Dyspare," the little demon sighed. "Look, Sammael, we don't have time for this. I just found out that Seeker knows you're here. We gotta move outta here, now!"
"Sammael?" Kari asked, turning to SJ.
"Long story," he replied. "Look, Dyspare, I'm trying to help my friends here. And Kari--"
"You wanna bring the lady? Fine. But let's go!" And with that, the little demon began to pull at their clothing in a frantic effort to escape.
***END RP FOR NOW***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, January 23, 2000 11:48:26 PM
IP: 207-172-60-72.s72.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

*Comes in looking pale*
Jeez, this is really scary. Why, oh WHY, did the writers of Xena become so low? They're having a sixties throwback music--1960's. Nothing's wrong with that besides the fact that this is XENA, not some flower shower. I'm turning the TV off now. RIGHT NOW. This is just really scary.
Anne
Sunday, January 23, 2000 11:14:52 PM
IP: 209-130-164-172.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Jannie - Try http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/comment.html
That's the link I use for the Station 8 CR. And there's a link at the top of the page for 'Ask Greg' if you want to read that.

Patrick - My reason for not commenting on the "Dark Ages" eps is partly due to my not coming in here so much anymore. I used to have more time and enjoyed reading all the posts. I'm glad the rooms are different. They serve different purposes.

"Prequelitis" doesn't really affect me. I just tell myself "Dark Ages" is happening in an alternate universe so it isn't certain that the events of "Awakening" will ever come to pass. I am good at self-delusion. Demona is my model. So I don't have a good excuse for not commenting on the "Dark Ages" eps. But I have enjoyed them.

Jenniren
Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:39:15 PM
IP: user-2ivf1q2.dialup.mindspring.com

Mr. Toman> <<"Deprecating"? That word sounds almost obscene...>>: Deprecate: "to (say that you do) not approve of (something)". I thought it was appropriate, so what if it only differs from defecate by only two letters?
And, I was not offended, I only thought it appropriate to relay information about a discussion on this forum to the "inhabitants" of this forum.

SOROW> Good luck on your SATs. When are you going to take subject SATs?
<<cause my real brothers are scary>>: You just don't get to see the full versions of all the males here. I think most of the vulgarity inherent in the y-chromosome loses its effect (affect? !$@#$! homonyms) in a text based media, lacing visual aids.

Jannie> vanilla Garg CR URL: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/comment.html

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:39:01 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

I'm inclined to agree, the reason for a lack of response on TGS at the moment is because most people don't read Dark Ages... Heck, I'm a staff member and I haven't even read them.. But on the same account, I was there during breakdowns and have a good idea of how the story goes anyhow... *Shrugs* I'm sure responses will pick up come Timedancer.
Robby
Sunday, January 23, 2000 09:21:49 PM
IP: spider-tj013.proxy.aol.com

PATRICK - I think that much of the reason why TGS is being ignored here is that the current cycle running is "Dark Ages", and the general impression that I get is that a lot of the people here don't read it because of the "prequelitis" problem - i.e., we already know what happens at the end (most of the gargoyles, including the ColdTrio, get smashed, Goliath, Hudson, the trio and Bronx get turned to stone by the Magus, Demona leaves the castle and spends the next thousand years wandering and becoming increasingly bitter and vengeful towards humans, etc.). Maybe things will pick up a bit when the later cycles get launched.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 23, 2000 09:10:19 PM
IP: 216.87.46.37.dialup-stl.primary.net

Patrick> what is the URL for the other comment room? I'm still learning my way around s8 and their rooms. Thanks!
Jannie
Sunday, January 23, 2000 08:36:52 PM
IP: 168-171-197-35.academicplanet.com

I think I did pretty well on my SATs yesterday but everytime I say that, I end up doing bad. So I don't know how I did, but we'll see. I went to see my high school musical last night and it was hilarious. The play was "How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying" and a friend of mine was the main star. He is absolutely fabulous! He wants to be an actor/director and has already made a few short films, so I know we'll be seeing his name on the big screen in the future.

Doug> I want you to know that you and Kit are very special friends of mine and I really appreciate all the warm feelings and sympathies. I already feel much better.

Jaden> Unfortunately, most of the time I don't have anyone around who cares enough to hear my problems. My parents work all day, and when they aren't working they are complaining. That's probably why I love this room so much. You're all more of my friends than anyone around here (except for Joe).

Don> Thanks. *hugs*

Xanathar & Wilek> You *are* my big brothers to me, cause my real brothers are scary. Thanks for making me a part of the family!

Joe> I really appreciate how we talked last night and I'm sorry that I seemed a little snippy on Thursday. It was unintentional. I'm sorry that I got upset after the play with you, but it was just miscommunication. I love you, and you are most definitely not a stress factor in my life! You are my angel. *hugs*
SOROW
Sunday, January 23, 2000 08:14:18 PM
IP: dll2a010-0651.splitrock.net

Gside wrote: "If you haven't noticed, there is a little controversy over in the other CR. A small group has started an RP, and there has been a backlash by the regulars (who are also deprecating the TGSCR for its approval of RP)."

"Deprecating"? That word sounds almost obscene... but if by it you mean that some of us didn't have kind things to say about the huge amount of RP in here, then I guess you'd be correct. I used to like to come here and see the discussion on the latest TGS stories, but hardly anyone even seems to even acknowledge the new ones that are being posted anymore. The last time I made a comment on a story, it was buried immediately beneath a novel-length RP post and totally ignored. Heck, I wonder why this is even still called the "TGS Comment Room."

And I know I'm not the only person who feels this way... and that's evidenced by the other comments at Station 8. So don't be offended when we ask that the RP not start invading Station 8, too. If the CR administrators want to allow it here, that's fine... those of us who don't like having to filter through it for relevant posts will simply continue to avoid this room in favor of Station 8.

And just for the record, I thought this week's DA episode was excellent, both in the writing and the artwork... and I'm both surprised and dismayed that so few comments were made on it.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, January 23, 2000 07:49:38 PM
IP: abddb42c.ipt.aol.com

[Enters the CR, wearing his Bucs shirt... a sad look on his face, but still proud all the same...]

Well, my boys did a good showing, but they got zapped by a 4th quarter TD and some bad bad calls. Still, I'm proud of my Bucs. They did their damndest, and they stood tall until the end. <tips his hat> Good job, Tampa Bay... Just wait until next year when we have a chance to take it to Raymon James and host it!

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, January 23, 2000 07:38:12 PM
IP: m42.ieway.com

Changed the mp3 to Drunken Sailor. (and check out the can tower)

My roomie and I are both currently having Hellfire for Diablo burned. This will match our illegeal copies of Diablo.

If you haven't noticed, there is a little controversy over in the other CR. A small group has started an RP, and there has been a backlash by the regulars (who are also deprecating the TGSCR for its approval of RP).

Saturday> <<Chris, I think you'll love this one!>>: Yes I think I would, but how didi you know? :)
Sorry about the Bucs.

Auction for literary immortality: Hmm.. I created an ebay account, but should I wait for the last day or not?

Birds: No problem here, and I think its neat that my mother has "addopted" the local crows (next best thing to ravens). I think it woud be fun to take up falconry (Mmmm squab).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, January 23, 2000 07:28:49 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

CHRISTINE (Re: Jack of All Trades) - I caught that late last night looking for it and that "Cleopatra 2025"... It looks hokey enough to be a hit! Loved the opening part, and of course Bruce is in top form in this show. I loved the fact that his character did the "Dragoon" character, and they followed the same "Buckle the Swash with a Tounge in Cheek" quality that they did with Atolycus in "Hercules"... I don't know who the lead female was, but she was a perfect counter part for Bruce's character. And there was enough inuendo to make some of the situations perky. :)

Chris, I think you'll love this one!

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, January 23, 2000 06:03:48 PM
IP: m42.ieway.com

Warpmind> Yes, "Wing Commander" the movie, and no Mark Hammil. It's out on VHS, and DVD.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Sunday, January 23, 2000 05:16:19 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp30.fltg.net

*Warpmind stumbles in, laughing.*
I just found something HILARIOUS! Something called the Blair Imp Project... some guys actually managed to make a Doom/Blair Withc Project crossover! If you're interested, you can click my name.
On to replies.

Jannie: I'm really glad I suffer from no such phobias. Well, with the possible exception of xenomorphophobia, that is. Actually, that bird was a beautiful sight... though I suppose you wouldn't be able to see that. Have you, by any chance, seen too many Hitchcock movies? ;)

Christine: Never mind the bidding stuff; I've got it covered from here. I never intended bribery, extortion is more my style. Er... oops, said too much again... "Jack of All Trades"? Sounds like something a certain lass I know would like... so, is the show as good as the Evil Dead movies? If so, I guess I have to ask Wilek to ship over some of the security equipment from the Avatar of Ganon, including some Borg guards, so that I can "convince" the Norwegian TV stations... hmmm... come to think of it... Gargoyles never ran in Norway either... I guess that's another reason...

*Warpmind looks around.*
WILEK! Dude, could ya ship over anything to help me convince the TV station managers in Norway to start broadcasting *good* shows? Seinfeld, Sunset Beach and Teletubbies just don't cut it, man.

Gyre: Sound track to Wing Commander? As in Wing Commander, the movie? Gee, I just hope they haven't given the hero part to Mark Hammill... no offense, guys. I've moderated my contempt for him; he can do villain roles really good, but as a hero... he's a farce. Ever seen "Hamilton"? Villain role, good job. Ever seen "Watchers Reborn"? Hero role, the movie sucked so bad, I'm not even touching the BOOK again.

Well, glad to see there's some motion in this room.
*Chibi-Purgie and Chibi-Otto look up at Warpmind.*
Uh... I didn't mean you two... and by the way, Purgie, I don't think Chibi-Otto's Maggie-chan's type, anyway. I suspect either chibi Brooklyn or chibi Talon...
*Chibi-Otto wipes off his forehead, seeming releived.*

Well, I guess I gotta saunter off. I need food, I gotta do laundry, and... well, I could use a good woman, too. But I guess I'll just have to do my own laundry in the meantime. ;)

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, January 23, 2000 03:16:31 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Jannie > well, _that_ wasn't exactly the double standard I meant ... it's the attitude that evil-and-beauty is apparently excusable for Demona (female) but not for Jericho (male). Though personally I don't really give much of a hoot; I'm a sadistic old harpy by nature and get a kick out of calling people on stuff like that ; )

Warpmind > okay; though normally I'm not adverse to bribes ; )

New Bruce Campbell show > anybody seen "Jack of All Trades" yet? Oh, LOL, I love it, I love _him_ ... Bruce Campbell, capes, swashbuckling ... honey, you cannot go wrong! Woo!

Christine
Sunday, January 23, 2000 02:41:34 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Just got the sound track to "Wing Commander", and wow, I like it. Get's all kinds of idea flowing.:)
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Sunday, January 23, 2000 02:33:53 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp30.fltg.net

Chibi-Purgie: "Chibi-Otto! I heard something about wondering who the daddy was for one of the pregnant chibis" *crosses arms and taps foot*
Chibi-Otto: *gasps* Baby! you know you're the only chibi for me! *sweat breaks out across upper lip*
Chibi-Purgie: *not so convinced look* well... alright, but if you had anything to do with that... you'll be joining the All Female Chibi Choir!

Warped> a bird at your window??? *feels faint* *shudders* just the thought of one that close...
A bird once hit my front door and looked as if it were dead from the impact. I couldn't get out of my door because I couldn't get that near to a bird.. dead or alive! I called my asst. principal (she's nice!) because she knew of my fear of birds.... she was going to come remove it so that I could get out of the house to come to work. *L* She kept assuring me it was dead (over the phone) though, I still couldn't open my door from the sight of a bird so close. When she got there and went to pick it up... it flew away!!!
I screamed and slammed the door. That damn thing was faking it and just waiting for me to step out of my house! It had been on it's back the entire time with feet up in the air. She said it was just stunned... no way! I_Know_ it was faking and just waiting to peck my eyes out or something! *beads of sweat form across forehead and turns pale*

*chibi-otto & chibi-purgie runs to Jan to help her sit down*
Thanks kids... just the memory of that damn bird *shudders* it makes me nauseous.

Birds seem to seek me out. A huge black bird, the size of a turkey did a dive bomb at eye level the other morning while I was on duty. Some parents got a nice performance of Jan's "Get the Hell Away From Me" dance ;) *blushes* it was quite embarassing....

I've had a fear of birds ever since I could remember. Nothing in particular caused it. I've watched The Birds - both of them. I almost threw up both times. I do laugh at myself, but it really does send me into the freak zone when a bird gets near me. Spiders and snakes don't bother me though. Not gonna' kiss or touch one, but I only have a very strong healthy respect for them ;) I avoid them.

Christine> I know what you are saying about the double standards ;) I wonder if it's because Demona is featured so many other places that you don't automatically think of her as boinking her son, that only happens in your fanfic. Jericho however is only featured in your fanfic and that's the association he is known for. Does that make sense?
If a naked Demona shirt is made... I would like to place my order/request for a naked Goliath shirt ;) *L*
I agree with you on disciplining and the school system. I personally target bullies when I see them and make their life a living hell while at school and pay extra attention to those who are "different" or "nerdy" or is being picked on. Nothing makes me madder than to see that type of behavior happening.
My son is very different himself. He's the intelligent nerdy type and I'm very proud of him. I also know that he will make it much further in life than some of these "jocks" or the cool kids. As long as his morals are straight, he remains kind and gentle - he's going to be able to support his mother in the fashion in which I would like to become accustomed to ;) *L* He's going to be very successful in life. :) Good for you for allowing your daughter to be the person she is and not trying to mold her into what the "norm" is. I commend you for that. I see too many moms doing everything in their power so that their child will be the most popular. *shakes head at them* get a life, you know?

Katara> Snapping the fingers and the children behaving... I can raise one eyebrow and Michael still knows that it's time to seize the behavior or conversation ;) (he's 17 yrs old)
Behavior/consequence. You maintain that and you've got a better than good chance of children knowing how to behave.
Good for you for being able to control your children :) It's always such a pleasure to see and hear about. Like you said, it doesn't taking "beatings" to have discipline, but spankings should definitely be a part of the vocabulary, combined with love, understanding, encouragment, and praise :)

Speaking of discipline... it's time for me to use some self discipline and finish laundry.

*scoops up Chibi-Otto and Chibi-Purgie in their basket*
*basket begins swaying back and forth*
Oh for the love of ketchup... can't you two EVER give it a rest?? *shakes head and holds on to the basket with both hands*
Denis> this is YOUR fault! ;) If you hadn't given Chibi-Otto that book....
Chibi-Purgie: ummmm... Chibi-Otto wrote the book *giggles*
Jannie
Sunday, January 23, 2000 02:15:29 PM
IP: 168-171-197-35.academicplanet.com

**SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT**

Everyone- "Comatose" (yeah, it was "Dormant", I changed the title back) is now complete and posted at GFW. If you wish to, go read and enjoy it. :)

**THIS HAS BEEN A SHAMELESS PLUG**
Doug
Sunday, January 23, 2000 01:42:52 PM
IP: pool-209-138-160-96.dlls.grid.net

*Warpmind walks in again, looks around and sighs.*
Slow day/night/whatever, eh?

Christine: Never mind about the bidding thing; another means of bidding opened up. (But I'm not telling ya who's helping me!)

Later, folks.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, January 23, 2000 01:19:53 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Skippy: It wasn't the fact that the bird was so close to a humanoid (me) that surprised me. The surprise was due to the fact that I've never heard of any predatory birds of those kinds (falcon or hawk or whatever) in this part of Norway before. It was a geographical issue, not an urban one.

*Warpmind shimmers away, seemingly phased out of the CR.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:34:20 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Warpmind - hawks about>> Don't be suprised, I've heard of hawks living right in the middle of New York city. They fed off all the pidgeons hanging about and lived pretty well. So it's not impossible for birds of prey to adapt to life in urban areas....

Skippy The Klingon
Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:16:26 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-31.ultravision.net

*Warpmind walks in,seeming slightly puzzled.*
I just had a weird experience... what seemed to be some kind of hawk or falcon - I'm not too got at recognizing birds, but it was quite clearly a bird of prey - knocked on the window a few minutes ago. Then, when I went to look, I saw nobody; I opened the window and looked out, and lo and behold! The bird was sitting there, looking at me, before it flew off. I didn't even know we HAD that kind of birds in the area, far less ones doing fly-by operations near the school area... Oh, well.

If you click my name, you are likely to hate me for a long time. The reason? Clickomania! Its nature? More addictive than Tetris.

Christine: No, I wasn't thinking of bribing you. But since you brought it up... *Looks around.* ...Nah. I just wondered if you could help me out registering bids for the part, since I can't seem able to register with eBay for some preposterous, unreasonable reasons. Thus, I was hoping to reach a means for me to let you know my offer, even if it meant outbidding the highest offer at the eBay site... Which, really, would be the big point, no? As I said, there are currently 15$ "to my name", so to speak, that I'm ready to donate to the book. And before you get suspicious now: I can see the bids on eBay, I just can't bid, myself. And as for the Demona stuff... for some reason, the term "in your dreams" seems strangely appropriate here. ;)

*Warpmind turns to leave, then halts, as if remembering something.*
That's right. I almost forgot.
*Warpmind makes his way to the chibi area, swiftly hunts down chibi Brooklyn and chibi Talon, grabbing them by their necks and lifting them to eye level.*
"Okay, you two. Which one of you is going to be a father soon?"
*The two chibis exchange a terrified glance, then point at each other.*
"I can see we're getting nicely along here... but I'll keep an eye on the two of you. And when I find out..."
*The two chibis swallow hard before being placed on the floor again.*
Which brings me onto another question. Mara, how long do chibis tend to go pregnant?
*Warpmind heads for the door, looking a bit grim.*
I'll be back.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, January 23, 2000 09:54:30 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Gah, I'm an idiot! Hurried up and posted Damien 2 without changing the title on the page or looking up a piece of armor. Fixed it now, so no need to deluge me with mail saying, "It's _vambrace_, you dolt!" ; )

Warpmind > but she _is_ boinking her own ... ah, never mind, let it rest ... dontcha love double standards? And just what do you mean by "help you out" with the auction? Are we talking bribes here? ; )

Parenting > it's not just the school systems, it's the whole darn country that has the dumbed-down-make-'em-feel-good thing going on. Just look at the difference between the _real_ trivia shows of the 50's and the stampede of them we've got happening today! :P As a parent, I will probably send Becca to public school for the first couple of years, then round about 3rd grade will home-teach her until probably high school. Tim and I were both bored and dissatisfied in school as kids, and the situation doesn't seem to have improved. And so many people whinge about the lack of social interaction home-schooled kids get ... :P again! Are they saying the weird/outcast kids _need_ to be taunted on the bus and end up breaking their Snoopy lunchbox over Mikey Nelson's head? ::oops, flashback:: But anyway, since Becca is going to be a weird kid (and indeed is already), with our full approval, why deliberately expose her to the slope-browed Neandertals in grade school?

Ack, this is what happens when I wake up at 5:30 in the morning because I realized I made a mistake on that story!

Damien > thanks for the feedback; I have a couple other things I really must attend to so I will probably begin work on the apocalyptic Part Three on Monday night ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, January 23, 2000 08:57:04 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

*Warpmind walks in, pretty much covered in snow.*
Hi guys. Guess what kind of weather we got here in Norway right now.

Christine: Damien Part 2 was great! And I particularly liked the reference to The Horror of Innsbrook. I wonder how many other of you gentlebeings here noticed...

Coyote: Why sodomize the villain who is responsible for editing out gun scenes from Gargoyles with a splintery broomstick? After all... there are far worse means of punishment, that will leave him alive and in great pain for an even more extended period of time... just ask Pistoff...

*Warpmind sneers, then goes on stressing with this eBay stuff (registering and stuff).* What the f*ck do they mean, they don't like xoommail? *Warpmind roars.* Very well, there SHALL be a Joyride. It seems I cannot register with eBay due to A: Anonymous e-mail and B: A LAN server firewall that keeps me from accessing the eBay secure server. Oh, and C: I am *THIS* close to become crazy-violent right now. So,my suggestion is as follows: I make a quiet bid outside eBay, with all respect to eBay bidders. Alas, had the auction been taken to Amazon.Com, I could participate, as I have a user account there, but eBay? Forget about it.

Wilek: You refuse to acknowledge "heart" as the fifth element? Why should you? It has already been proven that the fifth element, that epitome of perfection... is Milla Jovovich. Which reminds me... I gotta find a copy of "Return to the Blue Lagoon" one of these days... Oh, and I suspect the downfall of quality cartoons began sometime while Gargoyles still ran... just about the time when Greg Weisman was kicked off the team...

**JOYRIDE!**
Warpmind and Miriam rush into the pervert meeting hall, only to find that they are too late. The only ones still in one piece are the Joyriders, and the occasional insect.
"Dang. You guys are too efficient."
Wilek grins.
"You say that as if it were a bad thing."
"Well, it is. How are they supposed to suffer when you kill, then disassemble?"
"Good point... hey, who's that?"
Everyone turns toward the door.
"Why, it's the SysAdmin of eBay!"
Warpmind cracks his knuckles and lunges. The eBay guy realizes his impending doom just a little too late, and is briskly propelled into the nearest wall with a loud CRACK!
"You bastard! Keeping me out from eBay auctions, just because I have trouble with a firewall and don't have my own internet connection! Has it occured to you guys that there are many of us who only have those free, anonymous webspace/e-mail providers, and that we use public machinery for access?"
The eBay SysAdmin whines, clutching his chest, where a rib or two obvoiusly has cracked.
"Well, I'm FED UP with that approach. Sometimes, having access to the internet from ones own PC is quite difficult, and now... no, I won't kill you. Not right away, anyway."
The SysAdmin drops to the floor and gazes up at Warpmind. Who is pointing an impossibly large rifle at his forehead.
"I changed my mind. Say hello to Sharps' Big Fifty."
A loud BOOM ensues, and the wall displays a large hole and a new wallpaper. Wilek and Pistoff make their way over.
"Uh... where did you get a bison rifle, Warps?"
"I wrote this segment. Reality is mine to alter then. C'mon, Pis, you did the same thing once."
Xanathar nods at Pistoff.
"He's got a point, buddy. But seriously, we've been hanging here for a while; what do you say, shall we leave the premises?"
The Joyriders scamper off.
**JOYRIDE END**

Well, that really, really felt good.

Catch you later, then. Oh, and Christine: I'm bidding 15$ for the Scribe part in Dark of the Elvenwood. Mind helping me out there?
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, January 23, 2000 06:26:28 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi all!!

Sevarius Jr:Loved that list,I'm glad that I'm not alone in my hatred of all things Captain Planet. :)<<I've just heard that they'll be making Crocodile Hunter toys. If McFarlane Toys is behind this, I think I may soil myself!>>Your kidding me! :),I never thought I'd see the day when a show like Crocodile Hunter would get action figures.

Wilek:<<Trust me, friend, it's not a problem. ^_^>>Okay :)<< Even the shows made for the *really* little kids were superior to their modern counterparts. Like Smurfs. Inane, sure, but it beats Barney and the Teletubbies.>>*Snikkers*Yeah,Smurfs taught me a lot of things when I was a kid,take the character of Jokie smurf for example,he showed kids that it was funny to blow up others with home made bombs.*sarcasim*(J/K)>;)

C'yas'later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Sunday, January 23, 2000 06:09:04 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

**de-lurks and grasps head in pain at having to catch up with 2 days worth of postings**

Christine/Pistoff >> RE Alaskan author...That's nothing, when I was living in Guam a few years ago, there was an editoral in the local paper. Seems that someone had ordered something from a company on the mainland. The check they sent in as payment was drawn from the Bank of Hawaii. A few weeks later, they received a letter from the company saying that payment must be in US funds, either by money order or a check from a bank in the United States. Last any of us had heard, Hawaii was part of the US. For that matter, Guam is a US territory. *shakes head* SHEESH

Janie>> RE control of children.. I agree 100%. It's up to the parents to instill disciple in their children from day 1. My kids are 12(b) and 10(g) and they know how to behave when we are out in public. I've only had to spank them once or twice...and that was back when they were each about 2, for them to get the message. These days I can tell them that I'm going to bust their butts if they don't straighten up, or worse, give them "THE LOOK", and they know that mom is not a happy camper and has had enough. Once when they were about 5 & 3 respectively, we were at the airport. All I had to do was snap my fingers, and they stopped acting crazy. The ticket agent laughed about "how well trained" they were. Sometimes I really have a problem with all this PC bull-crap about not spanking or even using a strong tone of voice on kids. I don't condone beating kids. Quite the opposite, kids should be loved and cherished. However, sometimes, when all else fails it may take a firm smack on the the bottom to get the childs attention. From day 1, kids know just how far to push their parents before they have had enough. I like to think that my kids and I have a pretty open relationship. They can (and have) told me when I was stressing and going off the deep-end for nothing. Of course at the time I did yell at them, but once I'd regained my cool, I apologized to them and told them that they were right.

**starts to nod off at her own long-winded ramblings. Decides to go rumage in the fridge for something to nibble on**
Katara (Joadster) - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Sunday, January 23, 2000 04:28:57 AM
IP: abd4ecbb.ipt.aol.com

**RP!**

[Wilek lunges at Paul Crouch, apparently failing to notice the dagger he's holding...until the last minute, leaping to one side just in time to avoid being fatally stabbed, although the knife manages to cut rather deeply into his left arm. Wilek punches Paul in the gut, then tries to drive his right elbow into the back of his head when he doubles over, but he manages to recover in time to get out of the way. Paul tries to kill Wilek with the knife again, but the gargoyle, through a stroke of good luck, manages to grab the false minister's wrist and tries to wrench the dagger from his hand. Eventually, Paul drops the crucifix-handled knife, which clatters to the deck. Wilek grabs Paul by the lapels and throws him several feet away from the knife, then grabs it...then realizes that he and his opponent have wandered near an airlock. Wilek opens the airlock and steps almost into the inner door, taking one last look back at Paul...who gets up and charges at him. Wilek sidesteps him as he runs right into the airlock, then closes and seals the inner door. He tries to open the outer door and eject Paul into the vacuum of space, and is met with an error message: "Pressure not equalized. Occupant is not properly attired for extravehicular activity." Wilek: "Override safety protocols, authorization Nereus 17-Alpha." Computer: "Confirmed." The outer door opens, and Paul suddenly finds himself very cold and unable to breathe. Wilek, no longer under attack, examines the dagger he stole from his opponent. "Nice craftsmanship. Anoth's going to love this thing..." Now that the adrenaline rush of someone trying to kill him has worn off, Wilek notices that his arm hurts like crazy, and makes plans to try to get to sickbay before he bleeds to death...]

**END**

Warpmind> <<Dude, didn't you mention the turbine-based artificial hearts a while back? With one of those installed, it is fully possible to have a ULC Reverend without a pulse... ;)>> <baffs self> I'm dumb, you know that? ;P <<And as for you not giving them your mailing adress... what, you afraid to take a chance or two? ;)>> When it comes to chances like this? Yup. I wonder if they'll take a fake address...$<<Oh, and I forgot the word "remnants" after "Protoss ship" in the RP. My bad; I'll admit the error and fix it later.>> Hey, no problem (trust me, I've made worse mistakes). :) $ Goliath/Arnold creativity demon> LOL! :D <<Guys? You know how it is when characters you've created begin talking to you?>> Mine are in the habit of *arguing* with me. One or two have even sent me death threats. Being an author is dangerous sometimes...

Xanathar> <<BTW my apologiese,I accidently mispelled your name in my last post*Kicks typo demon into a bloody pulp*>> Trust me, friend, it's not a problem. ^_^

SJ> <<Top Ten Morals found in Modern-day cartoons>> <ROTFL> I especially like #4; I've found that taking over the world is a more complex affair than it looks...<<Cause Captain Planet may be the most vile, PC-infested toon ever produced. Go Planet, my ass! ;p>> Ohh, don't I know it. The whole creature-summoned-from-the-four-elements (I refuse to acknowledge 'heart' as the fifth element) concept is kinda kewl in theory, but apply an obnoxious Power Rangers-esque hopelessly optimistic personality and a few layers of PC to it, and it breaks down rather spectacularly in practice. <<Remember that insidious rumor about Mikey Jackson playing Edgar Allan Poe in a big budget film about the lost last days of Poe's life? Well, that rumor looks even more and more horrifically true as the days go buy. Word out now is that Jackson will use CGI morphing to look more like Poe.>> Please someone just kill this man (?) and save me the trouble of nuking his little private amusement park. You know who I think would make an interesting Edgar Allen Poe? Tony Jay. Admittedly, I don't know what Poe (or Jay for that matter) looks like, so he may be the wrong choice from a practical standpoint, but can't you just imagine his voice reading 'The Raven'? :)

Steve> Welcome! Now please forfeit your sanity. :) <<Could someone please tell me why The episode where Elisa is accidentally shot by Broadway never airs on Toon Disney.>> Because the censors at Disney are a bunch of political-correctness-addled morons who wouldn't know mature and intelligent animation if it crawled down their throats and attached itself to their spinal cords. (Bitter? Me? Nah.)

Parenting> I'm staying out of this. I can not even raise a Tamagotchi. Besides, whatever is wrong with my mind (normal people do not invent things like Mr. Thingy) is probably genetic and would cause any kid of mine to become a serial killer or a professional torture engineer or a lawyer or something. I must never be allowed to breed.

Coyote> <<It'll either be that or an extensive book of her poetry that my mother has and plans on making some copies of for us ... I might give *that* a shot at getting it published.>> Poetry as well? She was a very talented lass; I think I now know where you inherited your own writing skills. ^_^ <<Oh, but we can't DARE risk insulting any bisexual albino pygmies we might have in our classroom, that wouldn't be wise. So what if he's defecating in our coffee mugs, we can't punish him because he's *special* and we'd get in trouble!>> O_o <ROTFL> I really have to remember that one...<<Oh GAWD, I hate being a child of the '80s!!! :P>> Ah, the 80s. Back when animation was still considered an art form. Anyone remember the shows of the 80s? Thundercats, Silverhawks, Mask, Wheeled Warriors, Transformers...if I'm not too much mistaken, there was even a Legend Of Zelda animated series. Animated series actually had decent and mature plots and characterization back then, instead of being kiddie PC cures for insomnia. (There was this one episode of GI Joe, I forget the name, but it was pretty much the creepiest thing ever made for 'childrens' television. It's the kind of thing that would never be allowed to be made today; it *really* messed with people's minds.) By the gods, I miss the 80s. When did we, as a nation, lose our minds? When did animation degenerate into childish dreck? And what caused this? At first, I thought it was Nickelodeon's horror, Doug Funnie, who was to blame, but one single show couldn't singlehandedly take down the entire industry...could it? o_O Oh, and the toy industry...back then, they had some imagination. Maybe it was because the figures and such were based on great shows, but 80s toys just plain rocked. (Anyone remember Captain Power and the Soldiers Of The Future?) Nowadays, you have to go to Japan to get anything *really* cool (I have a set of Rockman X3 figures that are among the kewlest objets d'art ever to grace the surface of the earth); most American shelves are full of <shudder> figures of pro wrestlers, surely in defiance of ordinances regarding the corruption of minors. Even the shows made for the *really* little kids were superior to their modern counterparts. Like Smurfs. Inane, sure, but it beats Barney and the Teletubbies. (<looks at above ramble> I really should hire an editor for these things...) <<after we found out about these creative edits, we all came to the decision that whoever decided on these edits should be sodomized with a splintery broomstick.>> I would have used a chainsaw myself, but your idea's interesting as well...it'd certainly take longer. >:)
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, January 23, 2000 02:36:46 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

****BEGIN RP!!!****
Searching throw the pile of dead bodies Jaden finally finds what he was looking for. A grenade. He checks to make sure that no one is looking, he pulls the pin and throws to where Doug and Kitainia are fighting.
****END RP!!!****

Hey everyone. I hope your doing fine. I actually had a nice day at work. Got a little warm, but other than that I had no problems.

Jannie-Kid in the grocery store-You know that reminds me of something that one of my Soc. teachers told me. She said that if your child ever gets out-of-control in a store, leave immediately without buying anything and when s/he wants something to eat make a peanut-butter and mayo sandwich and say "since we had to leave the grocery store this is all we have to eat."

Sorow-Hey no problem and in case I didn't say this last time if you're still feeling stressed find someone that really cares and that you trust and just let it all come out. Getting your problem out in the open feels great after bottling them up.

Doug-history major-Oh yeah. You said that already, sorry cold + late night = brain failure. Good luck! I hope my ONE class provides a little challenge (watch now that I've said that it will probably be super-hard :P).

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Sunday, January 23, 2000 01:19:19 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

SJ> Parentage and discipline: *stands and applauds* Very well said, my friend!
Thanks for your kind words concerning my daughter. It took me almost a year of therapy to realize that it wasn't MY fault that she did what she did. You'll never know how important it has been to me to have you say what you have said to me. *hugs*
Jannie
Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:35:24 AM
IP: 168.171.197.106

The List: That list was courtesy of the fine bunch of smart alecks over at zealot.com. I'm rather partial to numba 3 myself (cause you know the Maximals had to do *something* to screw up prehistoric culture!), but number one is good too. Cause Captain Planet may be the most vile, PC-infested toon ever produced. Go Planet, my ass! ;p

Wait! The World May Still End! Here's a Sign!!! Remember that insidious rumor about Mikey Jackson playing Edgar Allan Poe in a big budget film about the lost last days of Poe's life? Well, that rumor looks even more and more horrifically true as the days go buy. Word out now is that Jackson will use CGI morphing to look more like Poe. (It shouldn't be that hard--Jacko's already white. Whiter than I am, at this point....). Now, if he just had the slightest degree of acting talent or a voice that didn't sound like a prepubescent girl, he'd be perfect.

God Answers Prayers: I've just heard that they'll be making Crocodile Hunter toys. If McFarlane Toys is behind this, I think I may soil myself!

Ordained Ministry: I'm not 100 percent sure, but I've heard there's some organization out in California (or the West Coast, at least) that will ordain you as a real minister for about 75 bucks. Seriously. You can actually do fun stuff like give weddings and crap like that. Hell, I'd do it. The "Reverend" SJ sounds good! Maybe Attila and I could start our own primetime gospel hour! ;)

Doug: Don't worry about me and stress. Not to continuously harp on my life (even though it is something of a catharsis to bitch about it in here), but I live in a constant, neverchanging stress environment. There's usually only two settings--stress and depths of hell stress. Sometimes I sink into the other one....like this past weekend. But I've learned to cope with it. One day, I'll write a book on the wacky life I honestly do live, and nobody in there right mind will ever believe it's non-fiction.
BTW, I suppose I was exagerrating a tad about the weather....but not by much at all. People around this area do seem to go crazy when it snows (I partially blame the news media. I can't begin to tell you how much I loathe it when the weather announcers call a 4 inch minor snow storm "Blizzard of 2000!"). Come to think of it, the average IQ of most drivers in this area seems to drop about 50 points if it's just raining. But as for the city and the metro area itself....it may be a bit crazy, but I love it. It's a mecca, a metropolis, and I don't think I'd trade it for the world. Eh, it's home ;)
BTW, BTW, nice work in the RP with Antonio. I like the guy too (for some inexplicable reason), and wouldn't want to see him get wasted by one of us. ;)

Children and Parentage: Whoo boy. This is a rather large can of worms, isn't it? My take on the matter is this:
Half the problems with kids today....strike that, almost ALL of the problems with kids today, is that they have no respect for their elders. That sounds ridiculously corny out of anyone's mouth, but the cliche works. Nowadays, I feel that the disturbing trend is towards a Dr. Spock riddled, "PC" soft shoe approach to child-rearing. Kids don't get enough discipline. I'm not talking about necessarily smacking a kid, I'm talking about discipline in general, like that freak in the supermarket that Jannie mentioned. You have to discipline children, or they'll never respect you. Likewise, with the (largely public) schools, we have all this PC bullcrap. You know the reason why American kids get pummeled in international educational competition? Cause our goddamn public school system curriculum focuses on self-approval. That's right! We dumb down everything so the morons in the room feel better. The school environment also has to be free from any hint of negative stereotyping and whatnot....please. Give the kid some discipline, a firm set of morals, they should be fine.
But where do "good kids go bad?" Sometimes its the parents fault. Sometimes its the schools. Sometimes it's as plain and simple as the kids themselves.

Jannie: Don't feel bad about your daughter. You are not alone. I have an older sister, who has two teenage children. She got divorced when they were both very young (not really her choice, unless she wanted to continue to sport black eyes as a fashion statement). Her ex is the King of Pricks (our nickname for him is A-hole); not only was he usually a month behind on child support, but he hardly ever visited the kids, and when he said he would, he'd "cancel at the last minute"....leaving my sister with the fallout. She has had to suffer for the past few years to try and scrape together a living for the three of them. She's sacrificed more for her children then ordinary people should ever have to. And how due her kids treat her? Generally, with contempt. They take out their rage and frustration on her.
I think....and I realize that I have no real right to comment on your situation.....that perhaps is your daughter's own inner demons causing her to act this way. It's not your fault. Even good parents can have children break their hearts. I will simply pray for you and your daughter, and hope that somehow soon your situation is resolved.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:17:44 AM
IP: 207-172-119-149.s149.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Me> <<only one course that was worth anything>>: Nope, it wasn't psych, it was using zudio visual aids in the class room.

You know, $10 does not seem like much for immortality in the annals of literature, especially if it is being used to finance publishing (10x even seems low).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, January 22, 2000 08:30:40 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Mrs. Morgan> Very nice, once again.
"One two, one two,/And through and through/The vorpal blade went snicker snack./He left it dead and with its head he went galumpfing back."
And no, I did not look it up. I do have it memorized (but not the spelling) (along with Robin's farewell speach in Bill's MND).

Teaching in modern times: Hmm... my father got his masters in the early eighties (apparently I was alive, but I don't remember it), and he claims there was only one course that was worth anything. If I remember correctly, it was some psych course...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, January 22, 2000 06:27:24 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

**enters and immediately walks over to Kyryn, giving her a long hug** I understand, friend. Just as I'll muddle through without my grandma, you guys will survive without yours. My heart goes out to you.

Well, the funeral was today (last night was the viewing, that's why I wasn't here) ... it was beautiful. Grandma was made up wonderfully, and the pictures I'd scanned for the corkboards around the room (56 or so pics in total) were a wonderful way to look into her life. And of course, there was our fair share of tears and sorrow ... one of my uncles, an Army veteran and a man who I always looked upon as being like a rock in emotional situations, broke down several times during the viewing and the funeral, something that was very difficult for all of us ... then my mother's breakdown came; we had both just put on our coats, and suddenly she bursts into tears and moans "I don't want to leave her."
It has been a really difficult week for all of us. **sigh** But the funeral's over with ... now is the time for us to resume our normal lives, albeit with one big hole in them.

Thank you everyone who has helped me ... and to a certain extent, Mom as well ... through this crisis period in our lives. We really appreciate it. Kitainia, thanks for your very personal message, it was touching, same with Doug's as well. And in the same measure, I'll be here to comfort you as well, Kyryn. **big group hugs**

Well now ... let's try some replies .. emphasis on *try* ...

**reads LM's e-mail**
Fire Storm: Geez, sorry I didn't see this message sooner, you would've been more than welcome to come by the funeral ... it was right here in Algonac (at Gilbert Funeral Home, just a couple blocks down the street from the house). Dang ... well, your condolences and support are more than welcome. **hugs**

**hugs Kyryn again** Y'know ... the same could be said for my grandma ... she was a damn fine woman and it was an honor to be *raised* by her.

Wilek: Thanks, bud. It'll either be that or an extensive book of her poetry that my mother has and plans on making some copies of for us ... I might give *that* a shot at getting it published.

**takes a look at Mara-ko's outfit, babbles for a short moment, then walks over and kisses her** Nice to see ya. sweetie ... sorry I missed you last night, I'll try calling again tonight.

Parental responsibility: Perhaps it's about time I chimed in on this, since before I left college I was studying to become a teacher on the high school level.
The problems we have in educating kids is a broad-banded problem that can't be fixed by legislation or educators or Tough Love alone. There's a lot of change that has to occur on several levels before we can finally start turning around truancy or discipline problems. Case in point ... at Michigan State, what do you suppose the highest amount of teacher-education courses dealt with? Controlling classrooms? Dealing with emotional problems in students?
No.
Most of the teacher-education courses taught *political correctness in lesson planning.*
Uhmm ... excuse me, but what the f**k does trying to be kindly yet insulting have to do with teaching kids? In the real world, by my observation, not a damn thing. However, the only teacher-education course I was ever allowed to take at MSU dealt with social standings and diversity. That ... was ... IT. An entire semester which could've been used to teach disciplinary methods or philosophies was pissed away with subject matter that could have *easily* been covered in two weeks by the standards of a normal classroom. (but the opinion of the faculty was basically "Oh, but we can't DARE risk insulting any bisexual albino pygmies we might have in our classroom, that wouldn't be wise. So what if he's defecating in our coffee mugs, we can't punish him because he's *special* and we'd get in trouble!")

**composes self**

Sorry. But this is kind of a sore spot in the modern teaching profession that has always stuck in my craw.

SOROW: By all means, you may call me by my real name (XenaTrek, Stephen, Heather, GB and Mara-ko already do). Good luck getting through your own stressful times. **hugs**

SJ: Nice list there. And actually, #3 is a running gag between me and XenaTrek that started when we were together and has never quit, no matter how much we wish it would. (one of us (usually me) winds up saying "Now you know," and the other finishes, "and knowing is half the battle. GI JOOOOOE!!") :)

Oh GAWD, I hate being a child of the '80s!!! :P

Steve: The reason is because Toon Disney has a moronic policy regarding gun use in "Gargoyles" eps shown on the network. They can't be fired or brandished threateningly toward another character on screen. As a result, the oh so wise decision was made (note dripping sarcasm) to scrap the ep "Deadly Force" (the ep you're referring to), not to mention edit out scenes from certain episodes which involved Elisa pointing her service pistol at anyone. Of course, after we found out about these creative edits, we all came to the decision that whoever decided on these edits should be sodomized with a splintery broomstick.

**Rosanna enters the room and thwacks him**
What?
**She rolls her eyes and drags him out of the room, finally**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 22, 2000 03:36:21 PM
IP: zzz-209252248194.splitrock.net

Could someone please tell me why The episode where Elisa is accidentally shot by Broadway never airs on Toon Disney. I've been watching for a while and have not seen it. Does anyone know where I could get it? Please e-mail me back at nyyankees2536. I love the TGS. I'm so glad Gargoyles live on.
Steve - [nyyankees2536]
Brewster, NY, USA
Saturday, January 22, 2000 02:55:19 PM
IP: spider-wo051.proxy.aol.com

*Warpmind saunters back into the CR, ducking behind a couch as something is hurled after him.*
Guys? You know how it is when characters you've created begin talking to you? Right now, I have a BIG problem here; in my latest fic (check the fanfic archive, darn it!), Lex and Manxine came to a realization. But, as Manxine... *Warpmind dodges a metal urn thrown at him.* discovered, there was no actual bonga involved... Seeing as I'm inexperienced in these matters, I think I could use some help or counsel for such a scene. *Warpmind catches a porcelain dish just before it hits him in the face.* Counsel, and a tranquilizer, I guess...

On to the irregularly scheduled insanity.

SJ: Where'd you get that list? I love it!

Gside: I see. I don't think I ever saw that play, anyway. Besides, in today's society, most people are sufficiently literate to sign their name, anyway. With the potential exception of medical doctors, of course. And if you accidentally beat someone at Trivial Pursuit, just tell them that it is only trivial, anyway. It says so right there in the title! ;)

Christine: Seems I got away with it, true. I suspect two reasons: Either the Demona Testosterone Brigade has a majority in this CR, or it's just because we haven't seen Demona boinking her own mother yet... which, as far as I'm concerned, is neither good or bad. I don't think we ever learned who Demona's biological mother was, anyway. ;) Oh, well, off to read Damien part 2, I guess.

*Warpmind looks around and pulls up a VERY large shield before he scurries out. Clattering of dishes being crushed against metal ensues.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, January 22, 2000 01:59:26 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Character Auction > It's now up and running on E-bay! All four characters:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243192578
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243194852
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243198057
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243200247

Mara > Great, thanks! Can't wait to see the pics, and I'm glad you're enjoying the story! (see below)

David > looks like Ch. 2 came through okay, thanks!

Warpmind > but I see that _you_ got away with it ...

New on my site >
"Damien Part Two: Unholy Alliances"
Also updated my Timeline
Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, January 22, 2000 01:40:29 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

One thing I forgot to note about DBZ though... The fact that Cartoon Network purchased an entire 50 episodes this season instead of just the 40 needed to finish the Frieza saga is a good sign, and that they will likely purchase 50 episodes every season if ratings keep up, meaning we'll be at the end of DBZ in just... 4 seasons. (We're on just about episode 100 now, and there's 290 in all...) However, if the popularity and rating are good enough, they may actually opt for MORE per season, since all they're paying for is the dubbing, not actual production, which is far cheaper than any of their homemade, non-ratings geting series. But the entire 100 or so episode Trunks/Android/Cell Saga being dubbed right now before Garlic Jr. is even done? Nuh uh.
Robby
Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:42:37 PM
IP: spider-we011.proxy.aol.com

Alan- Hate to burst your little DBZ bubble but... EIther your friend is BSing you or your friend has been BSed. There is no freaking WAY the Cell saga is being dubbed all at once. Cartoon Network is the one basically paying for all the dubbing, and they're not even through the *shudder* Garlic Junior Saga yet. (I've watched this horror in its original Japenese, I really don't want to see it in ENglish! The only high point of the whole thing is Maron...) And then there almost 50 episodes dedicated to the Androids Saga and Trunk's Story and the return of Frieza (Who's a total wuss the second time around)before Cell even comes in. And as for 18 episodes per DVD? HAH! No competent marketing team would EVER do that. DBZ is so popular they could put a mere two episodes on a tape horribly dubbed and it would still sell. (As is, its almost miraculous thy put 3-4 eps on each tape and DVD.) 18 eps on one DVD when they could instead sell 6 DVDs with the same number of episodes? No freakin' way in HFIL with a property like DBZ. Cartoon Network has to air the remaining 10 episodes they purchased first and see what kind of ratings it grabs, THEN they'll consider paying for the next season. (Which will start in the fall no doubt... Granted, at this point thats pretty much a given since DBZ is their highest rating grabber) Paying for nearly THREE seasons of material (Which is what the android and cell sagas are almost equivilent to) before they've even finished airing the season their on... Fraid not. Your friend doesn't know what they're talking about.

On the upside, a somewhat more official rumor that is all but confirmed by FUNimation is that the DVD releases for season 3 will likely have both dubbed and subtitled versions, with choice of music track, English or Japanese. But still only 3 or 4 eps per DVD.
Robby
Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:36:58 PM
IP: spider-we011.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind> <>: Nor was I. I just added the following line, which itself is followed by the execution of a man (the clerk of Catham) just because he can write his own name (instead of having "a mark to [him]self, like an honest plain-dealing man"). I would have quickly jioned him if I was anywhere3 in the vicinity.
Another good quote from a couple scenes later: Up Fish Street! down Saint Magnus' Corner! Kill and knock down!
Oh yes, congratulations on your ordination, a new title is always good.

Is it a wise idea to beat your preceptor (RA) at Trivial Pursuit?
Oh yes, here your dorm people are doing something very stupid: they are recording in a public area the number of rules violations committed by each floor. The idea is to reward the floor with the least, but you just know someone(s) is going to try to "break" the graph.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:03:04 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Real post later, but I just found this, and had to share it:

Top Ten Morals found in Modern-day cartoons:

10. It's not if you win or lose but how many endorsements you get.

9. How to constructively channel your obsessive compulsive disorder. (i.e. mumbling "gottacatchemall, gottacatchemall...)

8. Dress for success. (Keep your super hero costume on under your clothing.)

7. Violence with guns is never an answer to life's problems. However, body armor and a laser stun cannon offer solutions to many disagreeable situations. (Hey, this applies to US!)

6. Never use anything made by Acme, avoid it like it's made in USA.

5. From Dragonball Z, we learn: Be nice to the foreigners, and just make it look like you didn't mean to beat the hell out of 'em.

4. Just because you've had a few setbacks doesn't mean you should stop trying to take over the world. Narf!

3. (Fade in.)

(Scene opens with the little prehistoric boy and girl playing with two flint rocks, enjoying the spark they make.)
Boy and Girl (together): Oooooo
(Rattrap and Optimus Primal show up.)
Rattrap: Hey there! Ya kids shouldn't be playin' with those things!
Kids: Oo?
Optimus: Rattrap is right. Flint rocks can be dangerous for children. If you two aren't careful, you might start a forest fire.
Kids: Ank Attap un Opinus. Ow ee oh.
Rattrap and Optimus (together): And knowing is half the battle. (They both give a "thumbs-up" sign.)

2. To succeed in life, you MUST be able to transform into something else.

1. From Captain Planet: YOU are not as important as a weed or a bug.
GO PLANET!!!

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, January 22, 2000 11:00:55 AM
IP: 207-172-52-153.s153.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Dragonball Z News> A friend told me that they're currently dubbing the Cell saga in it's entirity. That's like two seasons worth of episodes. And, they're going to release the enitre saga on DVD before it's aired on television. Only three disc, the DVD-18 kind, which are an ingenious idea (The Stand is great on there)...

Anyway, I thought that was damn cool...
All for now...
Alan "Ordell" - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Saturday, January 22, 2000 10:50:54 AM
IP: ppp-18.ode.cableone.net

Wilek:<<I encountered the funniest thing I've ever seen at a store today. They're having some kind of fund raiser, to help finance a World War 2 memorial. There was this large clear plastic box where the money was to be deposited. What was so funny about all this...the WW2 memorial collection box...was made in Japan. :)>>LOL!!:),BTW my apologiese,I accidently mispelled your name in my last post*Kicks typo demon into a bloody pulp*

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Saturday, January 22, 2000 08:57:10 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

*Warpmind returns, chuckling.*
Well, I just read Pissy's "Rising Sun 1: They Are Us". I love it! Magnificent Matrix parodies/rip-offs. Particularly the Lobby scene.

Wilek: The ULC takes in anything with a pulse? Dude, didn't you mention the turbine-based artificial hearts a while back? With one of those installed, it is fully possible to have a ULC Reverend without a pulse... ;) And as for you not giving them your mailing adress... what, you afraid to take a chance or two? ;) Oh, and that WWII memorial fund box... "Made In Japan".... ROFLMAO! Oh, and I forgot the word "remnants" after "Protoss ship" in the RP. My bad; I'll admit the error and fix it later.

And now for... *Maggie-chan snickers and sits down on Warpmind's shoulder.* A little creativity demon.
I'm sure you've all noticed how *strong* Goliath really is. Well, I'm imagining him going to Hollywood to star with Aaah-nold.
"That's it, Goliath. Now raise those two gatlings, good. Point them at Arnold, and try to make your eyes glow a little, ok? Good. Now pull the triggers."
*BRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIII*
"Good. Now toss away the gatlings and pounce... good. CUT!"
*Creativity demon ended!*
Damn, there's a story there, too...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, January 22, 2000 08:13:18 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**MORE RP STUFF! (I knew I forgot something last time...)**

[The battle in the hangar rages on unabated. The Administrator has ordered that all enemy Digimon and Monster Rancher critters be assimilated rather than destroyed, and the converted creatures are doing an admirable job of clearing out the enemy troops. Wilek and Miriam watch the carnage with satisfaction...until they're almost blindsided by a televangelist with helmet-like hair and a hideous Tammy Fae Bakker lookalike whose makeup is eclipsed in horridness only by Michael Jackson's. Wilek: "Paul and Jan Crouch?!" Paul: "You've heard of us?" Miriam: "How could we not? The two of you are infamous: you give all the faithful a *very* bad name..." Wilek: "You commercialize the Christian faith..." Miriam: "You harbor such criminals as Bob Larson and Pat Robertson..." Wilek: "You used contributions from your viewers to build what amounts to a theme park..." Miriam: "And you, Mrs. Crouch, have the most monstrous hair I have ever had the displeasure of viewing." Jan: "The nerve!" Miriam: "Fortunately, the latter problem is quite easily corrected." In one swift motion, Miriam steps behind Jan and steals her wig, revealing that Jan is quite bald. Wilek nearly doubles over with laughter, and Paul takes the opportunity to draw a dagger with a crucifix hilt and try to plunge into his heart. The gargoyle looks up just in time, and manages to dodge the silver blade, sustaining only a flesh wound. Wilek swipes at the moneygrubbing hypocrite with his claw; Paul leaps back and taunts, "Bring it on, demon!" Wilek's eyes glow, and in one of the most spectacularly unintelligent career moves of his life, he lunges at Paul, apparently having forgotten about the knife...]

**PAUSE!**

I encountered the funniest thing I've ever seen at a store today. They're having some kind of fund raiser, to help finance a World War 2 memorial. There was this large clear plastic box where the money was to be deposited. What was so funny about all this...the WW2 memorial collection box...was made in Japan. :)

Rev. Warpmind> <<Hello, children. Today, I was ordained as a Reverend. True, it was an easy feat; the Universal Life Church is quite manageable that way. As far as I understand, they'll take you as long as you've got a navel. Maybe they don't even require that... ;)>> I always thought they'd take anything with a pulse. ;D (Except me, because I won't give them my mailing address...)

Fire Storm> <<Oh! There can be NOTHING ELSE in that file except for those codes. Learned that through trial and error.>> Interesting...thanks. :)

Christine> <> Dear gods, not you as well... :(

Mara> Welcome back! :D <<besides.. i dont wanna get stung by a mosquito in heaven>> Well...there's no reproduction there, from what I've heard (I don't think the celestials would take kindly to, um, procreative activity there), and the only reason mosquitos sting is to nourish their eggs... :) <> :( What's going on...so many people losing grandparents...<shudder>

Kaioto> <<Erg � flu bad � I haven�t vomited in 6 years � until Tuesday. I had to miss the first day of all my classes too. This is NOT a good thing.>> Man...this *has* been a bad week for the CR...get well soon, friend. O_o

Birds> I rather like them, although I can understand why someone would be afraid of them. They're strange, in a way...there's a look about their eyes that suggests they know more than they ever let on...

SOROW> <> Aww...That's among the nicest things anyone's ever said to me. :)

Gunjack> <<add me to the sick list... I've been overrun by the creeping crud.:P>> Ack. Get well soon...where did I leave my antiviral equipment...

BTW, does anyone know what's wrong with the SJGames website? I try to download their GURPS character creator, and it gives me an 'error during transfer' error... O_o

Doug> <<Thailog has an interesting relationship with one of them which will be revealed in my next story (the Discordian in question happens to be CEO of Nile.Org, my universe's echo of Amazon.Com. Got the creativity demon after seeing Amazon's CEO on CNN and finding it impossible to take him seriously. I then figured he must have a lot of good advisers for his business dealings, and that gave me an idea. :)>> Interesting...I'll have to find a chance to check that out. :) <<Thanks for passing on that interesting Social Studies fic.>> You're welcome. :) (It seems like the exact opposite of 'let's kill all the lawyers'...)

Jewel> <<I got an e-mail from my mother. It was very, very, *very* strange. AFter this Christmas, my big brother had begun to wonder in mom was finally losing it for *real*, and after this e-mail, I kinda am, too. It was only one line: "My mother bought this house i am not going anywhere." The subject line was "Computer.">> What the...?! o_o' I knew she was a rather bad person to say the least, but I had no idea she might be completely losing it...

$Warpmind> <<Turning back, he sees Warpmind on the move again, heading for the Protoss ship DiCaprio and his gang arrived on.>> Um...what's left of it, which isn't much. ;) Of course, there's always salvage...$

**RESUME!**

[Meanwhile, Miriam and Jan are engaged in one of the most impressive catfights to which the Avatar Of Ganon has ever played host. One wouldn't think to look at Jan that she had Tae Kwan Leep (boot to the head!) training, but, absurdly enough, Jan's martial arts abilities seem almost a match for Miriam's own formidable training. Miriam tries to play fair for the first few minutes, then decides, "I have officially had enough." The next time Jan leaps at her, Miriam draws her lightsaber and slashes her in two in midair, making an amazing mess.]

**END!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, January 22, 2000 07:35:30 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Hi all!!

Wulek:<<Sounds better than what ends up in my dreams...All my life, I have had exactly one dream that didn't disturb me, and it was about a week ago. o_O>>No it isn't,trust me :(

Fire Storm:<<By all means no! Why do you think you offended me?>>I always have trouble telling peoples emotions online,but at the time it felt you were getting irritated with the conversation,but I'm glad that I was wrong bud!:)<<Actually, I enjoy the little conversation we have been having for the past few weeks.>>As have I :)there's so many good things to talk about with SS2,the games pure class(Icidently,I've got another game that I'd like to recomend,It's called "Thief the Dark Project"(Another Looking glass Studio's game),Actually better yet get "Thief GOLD",It's a special edition of TTDP with Three new levels woven into the plot(I love this game,I've beaten it soo many times I've lost count,but I still keep comming back to it)<<Have you won SS2?>>yes,I beat it a few months ago:),and I'm still playing it now,I can't wait for the sequel:).Whats your favourite SS2 moment,Mine's The part wher Shodan Officially introduces herself to you on the operations deck(Ever felt like a bug caught in a jar :) ),also I don't know weather you know this or not but watch the proticol droid in the window on your third year of training at the start of the game to see something truly disturbing ;)

SOROW:<>I remember a lot of things and people long gone:(,but I'm glad I was able to make you smile Happy Queen :)<<? I feel like you, Xanathar, Green Baron, and Wilek have been my big brothers since I posted here more than a year ago. You're very special to me :)>>Thanks SOROW :)

C'yas' later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Saturday, January 22, 2000 07:14:04 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

*Warpmind walks in, whistling a merry tune, and skims through old comments. Spotting the image linked to by Mara earlier this week, he pops it up. Unfortunately, Chibi Hyena notices it also, and REALLY begins hunting for Xelloss.*
Oh, dear. I think this might even be a bit much for that guy...

By the way, episode 13 in my ongoing saga is up in the fanfic archive. Give me a word, eh?

Fire Storm: Glad to help boost your God complex. Now, if you go have a word with those nice gentlemen in the white lab coats... ;)

Christine: Don't you think that was part of the plan when I made that comment about Demona? Really. Oh, and I'm glad you got that third (I think it is) entry of mine for Sabledrake Magazine. As for part three of Damien being a killer... how so? Finally putting Jericho's head on the block?

Mara: "Unexpected Visitor"? Oh, God, the horror, the horror... Oh, wait, come to think of it, that wasn't all that bad, after all... I've done worse. And you guys will NEVER see that one! HAHAHAHAHA! 'Cause the worst piece I ever did has been DELETED! *Warpmind falls over, laughing maniacally. He gets back up, then scratches his head.* Hm, "Rent"? Can't seem to recall ever hearing that title before... oh, well, I guess I should try to find it somewhere... *Warpmind carefully stores the link somewhere on the hard drive.*

Stormy/Jannie: Fear of birds? Isn't that supposed to be "Aviaphobia"? Such a fowl thing... And I admit it; I commented on this subject just for the pun! :)

Jannie: Prevention doesn't begin at birth. Prevention usually begins about nine months before a *potential* birth. Otherwise, I'm with ya all the way.

Gside: Hey, dude, when I mentioned the total obliteration of lawmen, I wasn't pointing fingers at any particular person. Besides, there are alternatives; Anarchy, for instance. Order without higher authoroties. Though, Anarchy is quite unlikely in our world, so I guess we'll have to settle for Democracy instead...

Gunjack Valentine: I'm not kidding you, compadre. Anastasia Renard hed here own business running in Australia, which was where Matrix was created. Remember, it was on Dingo's home turf, and in one of the Avalon Quest episodes. Oh, and you say an A-10 is hard to put in a shoulder holster; we'', you just need the gun... and it should be fairly easy to mount on a car... no more traffic jams.

Doug: The RP note... is noted. I'll keep out of your fights... uh, I mean... oh, heck. You know what I mean. Nice Banderas piece, by the way.

**RP**
Warpmind looks over at Doug and Kit, who managed to dispose of their assailant before he could get them.
"Good work you two."
The two give him a brief thumbs-up before returning to the battle. Warpmind starts moving, looking for any who should not be in the hangar.
"Antonio Banderas? Why are you here? Are you one of these preposterous attackers, too?"
Banderas ceases fire for a second, then shakes his head.
"I was, but no longer. I was misguided by my lesser actors. I help... whoever you guys are, now."
"Oh, good. I like your movies, and would hate to have to incapacitate you. LEFT!"
Banderas spins to his left, spreading bullets into a fanboy leaping at him. Turning back, he sees Warpmind on the move again, heading for the Protoss ship DiCaprio and his gang arrived on.
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, January 22, 2000 06:34:42 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

David G>>it's done and I emailed ot to your yahoo account.
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, January 22, 2000 04:03:19 AM
IP: twin58e.magiclink.com

Coyote: I'm very sorry about what happened. you have my deepest sympathies.

Doug and Kit: Thanks for your support and advice. I know that your friendship makes her feel better(not to mention that it makes my job easier as well)

SOROW:I'm sorry about the way I acted on Thursday. I was a little angry at you for being snappy, but I should have been more understanding. You know that I love you, but if I am any one of the factors contributing to your stress, I hope you'll tell me so....I hope you did well on your SATs. I don't think I'll be able to see you on Saturday unless it's after you come back from the musical. But if we do, I'll try to have a letter ready for you:)..call me on Saturday night anyway. love ya *soft kiss on the forehead*

later everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JOE BOXER - [jboxer@hotmail.com]
Saturday, January 22, 2000 02:43:45 AM
IP: spider-th061.proxy.aol.com

Hey, all...sorry it's been a while since I posted, I've been busy. I haven't even read all of the CR playing catch-up (y'know, you miss a day or two and forget it...) Eh, well. I'll make a real post later, right now, I just need to freak out mildly...

I got an e-mail from my mother. It was very, very, *very* strange. AFter this Christmas, my big brother had begun to wonder in mom was finally losing it for *real*, and after this e-mail, I kinda am, too. It was only one line: "My mother bought this house i am not going anywhere." The subject line was "Computer." I just kinda sat, staring at the computer, blinking for several minutes, completely confused and mildly freaked out, going, "What in the hell...?" My big brother and sister-in-law saw it as well, and there was a long, confused silence out of them, too. Mom's always been kinda paranoid, but...well, this was just *weird* in a scary, confused kinda weird. My big brother said, "Well, maybe Mike [my adopted little brother] sent it." Problem is every e-mail he's ever sent me from Mom's account has his name in it and just doesn't have that same cadence to it. This, although brief, kinda felt like the e-mails Mom has sent me before when she's mad at me. I think my big brother's grasping at straws, but I won't know until tomorrow--I'm going over to her house to set up my little brothers' new computer (I just want to see the boys and make sure the chess game I gave Mike, that he's been wanting for a year or so, actually gets installed.) I'm going to ask Mike if he sent me an e-mail, although I kinda think I know the answer.
I'm freaked. I know I shouldn't freak out until I know for sure, but...well...even though my mom is a <fill in long string of curses and not so nice words>, the idea that she might actually be really and truly *for real* crazy is scary. I've known for a long time the woman wasn't exactly sane, but... She's gotten a lot worse, lately. She was always the Mood Swing Queen when I was little, and any little thing could set her off, and she was always vindictive and living in her paranoid little bubble world. It's kinda like, all of a sudden, this year, her rather tenuous grip on things just got a lot *more* tenuous, and maybe is almost gone.
<sigh> I'm going to try not to freak out any further. I'm really hoping I'll be able to laugh at *myself* tomorrow for *me* being the paranoid one. I'm going to try and get soem sleep now, but I know full well I'm going to spend most of tonight staring at the ceiling and wondering if my mom's going insane.
Bleh. Maybe I'ljust play ff8...
jewel
Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:59:03 AM
IP: atlnb109-12.splitrock.net

**RP HERE, BE ADVISED**

The battle in the Avatar's hangar continues, the enemy slowly becoming surrounded and taken down. On one side, Stephanie is saved from one of Puff Daddy's proteges by a mysterious figure who sprints off immediately afterwards. "Was that who I thought it was?" she asks herself. "No, it couldn't have been. At least I hope it wasn't him, because he took his sword back!" She gasps and runs to follow Kaioto but is intercepted by a squad of all-too familiar teenagers in futuristic costumes. "The Lost Galaxy Power Rangers?" Kit's sister asks. "In the flesh," one of them confirms, and then all rush to attack her. Nearby, Boris staggers under one of Antonio Banderas's blows and looks at him in shock. "Hey man, what are you doing?" he asks the action star. "You shouldn't be fighting me! I've always admired you and liked your films!" Banderas stops and frowns. "What was that?" "Don't listen to him, Antonio," Woody Harrelson snaps. "This jerk's just trying to survive." "Hold on, Woody," Banderas says. "What did you say, sir? Are you a fan of mine?" "A very big fan," Boris nods. "You're an idol to me. We shouldn't be fighting." Banderas looks at Woody. "You assured me that if I came here I could have fun and kill many people who hated me. This one does not. Explain." "Well, uh," Harrelson frowns, "Leo said that..." "With all due respect, Mr. Banderas," Boris interrupts him, "your friend Leo is a total dumbass. My friends and I are also very big fans of yours. We've loved nearly all of your movies. Most of us also admire your acting ability and fighting style, and my girlfriend has fantasies about you all the time." "Which one is she?" Banderas asks. Boris points out Elena, who has just succeeded in breaking Lucy Liu's neck and shifted back to her normal human form. "She is beautiful," Banderas declares. "You, sir, are a lucky man." "Thanks," Boris grins with what teeth he has remaining. Now, uh, can we make peace, okay? Like I've said, we shouldn't be fighting one another." "Like hell we shouldn't!" Harrelson yells. "Leo's paying me a fortune to kill you and all your friends!" "Is money all you care about?" Banderas asks him. "Yeah," Harrelson snaps. "It's the only satisfying thing in my life! Do you know how much all my movies stink and how deep the rut they've put me in?" He is about to say more but an energy blast from Elena blows him to ash. Banderas shakes his head, obviously seeing it as no great loss. Elena then looks at him and gasps. "You're Antonion Banderas! You shouldn't be our enemy! What are you doing here?" "The truth?" Banderas asks. "I thought I had reasons but now I honestly do not know. However, I do have a pretty good idea of the people I should be helping." With that he picks a guitar case up off the ground and takes out a machine gun, then says, "Let us see if we can make my other fans here survive." Boris and Elena gasp in relief, happy they won't have to fight their idol any longer. They and Antonio then rush to help Stephanie. Meanwhile, Doug and Kit hear Warpmind's shout, and turn to see Leo apparently running towards them just as the las Aguilera groupie is killed or KOed. They immediately bring up their weapons and fire, knocking the attacker down. "Kit, we shouldn't have killed him!" Doug groans. "He mentioned Asil's name." "That wasn't Leo, Doug," Kit says. "Don't worry, I noticed he looks a lot like him but it wasn't the real deal. Probably just a stuntman." "A stuntman?" Doug grins. "Figures. Come on then, let's find the real Leo. He has to be around here somewhere." Kit nods and they begin hunting for diCaprio, unaware that he is also hunting them. ($ RP Note to Warpmind: Please let us fight Leo on our own terms, okay? We have plans that shouldn't be disrupted by encountering him too early. Don't worry, your mistake was honest, so it's alright. Just from now on, please let us handle our own fights. You worry about yours. Good luck. $)

**END RP FIRST HALF**

<sighs> The first week of the new semester is over now. Do I feel any better? No, not really. Like Kit, I'm tired, and thanks to all the reading and other assignments college is giving me this time around I'm also feeling overwhelmed. Yeah, I'll feel better when it's done, but until then...:( Also right now, even if I didn't have school getting me down I think there are many situations in here which would still make me sad, tired, and worried. I speak of course of the various crises occurring in people's lives, from the deaths of Coyote and Kyryn's beloved relatives, to SOROW's stress and Deuce's depression, to SJ's frustration and whatever else is going on in here that's affecting us negatively and I've missed. <shakes head> Everyone, I feel your pain, I really do. And I will support you in it as a friend with all I can. I too have been stressed out, POed, and frustrated at times, in some ways I am right now. I've also lost relatives dear to me, from my great-grandparents when I was seven to my dearest childhood friend when I was 12 and many more before, after, and in between. I grieve for them now and will continue to do so forever, I am sure. I, however, have been able to get over it all and keep going, despite the constant reminders of the past pains that keep coming my way. I don't let these things get me down for more than a little while, I persevere and keep on with doing my life. I know all of you will too, and right now I'm really hoping that you are able to do it soon. I know this sounds harsh, but the fact is, all the sadness, frustration, and pain I'm feeling coming off you my friends this week has combined with my own stress brought on by the first week of the new semester to make my mind a veritable emotional storm of depression. I'm wondering why the fates chose this week to pick on all of us, and I want them to stop. I want the negative nightmares to end, I want to be able to return to the good lives we all had before these things occurred! Of course, that's impossible now. Therefore, I can only pray that the good lives we had before we can soon have again, no matter what it takes. I also hope that by sharing all your pain I can help make it go away a little faster. I'm here for all of you, hoping that our stresses are soon relieved and willing to do whatever it takes to make it so. Frankly, right now I'm at the point where I can't take it being otherwise any longer. <tired grin>

Fanfic Update: Almost done with "Dormant." The big battle is over, two more scenes and I'll be ready to post it at GFW. Unfortunately, school may delay that posting somewhat and also the fics that come afterwards. I have a lot of work this semester. <sigh> Yes, I'm sure you all can understand that. I will do my best to keep the fics coming even with school going on, you have my vow. Just expect me to honor it at a pace MUCH slower than usual. :(

Jaden: Well, history is my major. :) Therefore, I do have to take lots of classes related to it. Wish me luck with the ones this semester, okay? They're doozies. I do the same for you in all the courses you have. :)

Coyote: Like I said above and I've said before, you have my greatest friendship and support in your time of mourning. I feel your pain greatly. All my grandparents are still alive, but two of them are suffering from severe Alzheimer's and don't even know me anymore. Both they and the ones still of sound mind have all been great influences on me, I treasure the things they've given me time and again. My maternal grandfather taught me to work hard and that success was the best revenge, my maternal grandmother how to always be cheerful and helpful even when there are a thousand stresses on you and much about raising children. My paternal grandparents (the ones with Alzheimer's) were some of the nicest and wisest people I knew before their disorder, and losing them has made me very sad because of that. If I ever lose my other grandparents, I know I will probably feel the same, if not worse. Thus I know how you must be feeling right now, if your grandmother was anything like all my grandparents are to me. You've lost someone who was very important to you, and you don't know if you can keep going. Well, as someone who's felt that way many times and who knows he probably will again in the future, I can tell you that you will keep going. Somehow. All you have to do is find a way. Your grief will always be there, but so will your memories. Just concentrate on the latter, and the person you lost will still be with you. <hug> May you soon get over your grief, my friend. If you need anything from me, I'm here. <shares in tears>

Kyryn: The above all goes out to you too. Hope you and your husband find some way to get through your loss and keep going with good memories in your minds. I honestly don't know else what to say, since I don't know as much about your situation as Coyote's. But you still have my friendship and emotional support in this time, as always. If you need anything, just let Kit and me know. :) Same to Anne concerning her brother (wish I'd known to say this before).

SOROW: Once again, good luck getting through your stress. I know how difficult it can be for a person. Showers, good music, and sleep would probably be best to ease things (I'll be doing them myself soon as I finish this). Of course, nothing helps as much as bearing the stress inducers while they last and getting through the situations they cause. That generally makes a person come out happier and stronger. :) Here's hoping it happens to you. If you need a friend, like everyone else here seems to lately, just let me and Kit know.

Stormy: You're very welcome. I'll be giving you more feedback in the future, I know all too well how it drives and inspires writers to keep up their work (hint hint). Looking forward to your next story whenever it comes out. :)

Animals in Heaven: Honestly, I've never really thought about this. Mostly because few animals have meant that much to me over the years. :( Good reasons why animals should get in have already been stated by a lot of people, and IMO no real good reasons why they shouldn't have been raised that haven't been disproved. Therefore I'm gonna go with the majority and say there is a place for animals in heaven. It only seems logical, given all the various points made in the room this week about it. :)

Ryan Stout: He's been keeping me in suspense too. Too bad he's pretty much out of the fandom. I would have liked to known how they finally killed Shiva off. Oh well, the reality is probably not as good as my imagination. <grin and sigh>

SJ: The general public in Washington think snow means the end of the world? Okay, you've convinced me, that place is NUTS! Don't they know it's just a natural process and will be going away quickly? Haven't they learned it's not anything that bad over the years? Haven't the children shown them how it can often be quite fun? <shakes head> Well, I'm glad you at least know these things. Good luck surviving all the frustration caused by people who don't, however much longer it lasts. :) I'll give you my friendly support to you too if you're in need. BTW, thanks for reminding me why I've stopped watching Xena and hate Micheal Jordan, and for the Batman Beyond info too.

Simon: Don't get depressed, man. We're here for you. As friends, helpers, or whatever you need. :) Just keep going on with your life, and don't become dependent on your medication. We'll keep you in our prayers. :) <views site link> You're right, that guy would have fit in here perfectly. Too bad he had to pass on before he could discover us. :(

Pistoff: Good to know I'll always have a friend in you. :) Read Rising Sun and while I do have some disagreement with the way you handled the Ishimurans and a few of the sex-related comments made me groan I enjoyed the story a lot. Good action, and a very nice portrayal of Vinnie. I look forward to future parts of the story, as well as to Injustice Part 3 and Jack's revenge on the Swordies (I know who I'm cheering for :). The developing situation with Elisa and Goliath should also be entertaining to follow. Hope you get the story out soon.
Re- my series> The next one in line is "To Be Immortal." Please just go ahead and read all the parts before commenting on any single one of them. I had trouble posting that story and had to split it up. Unlike the multi-parters after it, the parts of TBI don't really stand alone. Hope you enjoy it, it has a lot of good developments. I look forward to your feedback when it comes.

Wilek: I agree with you about Discordianism, its followers scare me too. Of course, they're also fun to pick on sometimes. Thailog has an interesting relationship with one of them which will be revealed in my next story (the Discordian in question happens to be CEO of Nile.Org, my universe's echo of Amazon.Com. Got the creativity demon after seeing Amazon's CEO on CNN and finding it impossible to take him seriously. I then figured he must have a lot of good advisers for his business dealings, and that gave me an idea. :) Thanks for passing on that interesting Social Studies fic.

Welcome all newcomers! From the looks of your posts and websites you should fit in fine here. Hope you enjoy the place. :)

Controlling Children: Not going to comment on this topic, though I've read everyone else's posts on it and think that many good points have been made. I can only hope that I never have to deal with similar situations as the parents who brought this on have when I have kids. Of course, if they do happen, I will deal with them. However I must. :)

That's all for tonight, I'm just too tired to put down any more stuff. Also too stressed out from all the stuff going on. Maybe by tomorrow some of it will have eased up. See you all then, have a good night. :)

**MORE RP BEGINS NOW**

The small battles all over the Avatar's hangar keep going, the good guys now helped on by beams of light that Agent Rho and the Administrator are using to teleport random fans off the station and down to an MIB prison on Earth where they will be neuralyzed and released back into society, thus becoming no longer a threat. The Ravens and Dalek-Xenomorphs continue to kill off the real diehard fans and the loser celebrities who inspired them to aiding the cause of evil, showing no mercy whatsoever to the latter. Lathrop fireballs the Magic drones and then turns his spells on the family of a certain kid named Malcolm who have crept up to attack him along with an army of bribed and hypnotized critics who are forever chanting their praise. The wizard sighs heavily as he wonders if the battle will ever end. Nearby, Wilek helps Miriam stand and then guns down Geraldo Rivera as he tries to take aim at them with a grenade launcher. "Thanks," Miriam tells him, shaking her head at the corpse of Rosie O'Donnell. "Do you know how long it took me to silence that woman's fat irritating mouth?" "Tell me later," Wilek says. "There's still a lot of nutso Digimon around." Miriam nods and turns to help him fight them, smiling briefly as she watches Garumon get assimilated by the Avatar Borg. On the other side of the hangar, Shap and Shauna stand back to back shooting down gangstas with shotgun and bow, the former asking forgiveness with every kill while the latter just shoots. Suddenly there is the cock of a heavy machine gun near them and they turn to see that they are being covered by Reggie White. Standing next to him is Puff Daddy. "You two are a disgrace," White shakes his head. "Killing your own brothers and helping idiot jerkass white people and weird aliens. I am surprised and ashamed." "These people are not our brothers," Shauna snaps. "They're violent jerks who need to be shown the facts of life, which is what we're doing. And, oh yeah, they attacked us first." "You two are just a couple of black Uncle Tom losers," growls Sean "Puffy" Combs. "The facts of life, huh? You won't be showing our people them much longer. We're gonna smoke your ass." "We are not losers," Shap declares. "I have God on my side, watching my back right now." "Is that so?" White chuckles. "Real funny, pal. Like God would ever side with a guy like you, who's shooting his own brothers." "Better him than a dumb football steroidhead who's a racist jerk," Shauna retorts. White drops his jaw. "What was that? Hey, listen up, bitch, God's on my side too! I'm a born-again, been so all my life!" "Does that mean you're really in touch with God?" Shap inquires. "Hell yeah it does!" White snaps. "Well, judging by your sermons that I've heard, I'd say you're wrong," the paladin replies. "You seem more in touch with yourself and convinced that you and people like you are the only ones who know God. That ain't the way it is. Now, I'm not claiming I know God either, I don't. But my faith has shown me a lot." "My faith has too!" White interrupts. "I have faith in the Bible and its Words!" "That's a good start," Shap nods, "but you know, God's a lot more than just that." "No he isn't!" White counters. "Reggie!" Puffy cuts off his oncoming rant. "Shut up! Let's just shoot these niggers and be done with it. Their conception of God won't matter once they're dead, you can go back to minstering and I can go back to rap. No one will miss 'em, let's take them out." "Hold on!" Shauna yells. "No one will miss us? Look around! Don't you see our friends?" The two agitators glance around and shake their heads. "Just a bunch of white boys and aliens and demon gargoyles," Reggie White declares. "They're probably all hellbound." "Yeah, I see the same," Puffy agrees, drawing an Uzi from his jacket. "No more talk, you two. I'm gonna waste your ass with this gun the police say I ain't supposed to have!" "Yeah, let's do it, man," White nods. "Satan welcome these souls to Hell!" He flips the safety off his machine gun, and both he and Puffy prepare to fire. Shauna, however, is ready for them and faster. She immediately raises her bow and gets off two shots, knocking them both down. "Shoot them!" she yells at Shap as they both scream and fall over with arrows in the neck, guns firing harmlessly into the air. "God forgive me," the paladin says, "and them too." He then sighs and raises his gun. "You can't dispense forgiveness, pal," Reggie White musters the strength to snarl. "Go ahead," Puff Daddy adds. "Shoot us. Be no better than I am." Both are answered by a shotgun blast to the face and slump to the floor forever unconscious. Shap shakes his head and turns away. "What's the matter?" Shauna asks him. "That was self-defense, and those guys deserved what they got." Shap nods. "You're right about Puffy. As for Reggie White, though...I hate killing the misguided." "Yeah, me too," Shauna replies. "If only he'd learned his Christianity from someone besides a Pat Robertson type." "If only," Shap nods. "Oh well, maybe now God can show him the right way." He frowns and sniffs the air. "What?" Shauna asks, looking around to make sure no one is coming up on them. "Demon nearby," Shap says and starts walking towards what he senses. Shauna sighs and follows, glad he's getting on with his life and the hero business. A kick to a certain part of Puff Daddy's dead body and she is able to do the same. Soon they are back in the battle, which for all the Ravens under attack continues with no apparent end in sight as the screen goes blank.

**NEXT TIME- TOM VS. JERRY...AGAIN! AND KIT AND I MAY CONFRONT LEO. :) FOR NOW END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:57:08 AM
IP: pool-207-205-235-27.dlls.grid.net

*Valentine staggers in, wrapped in six blanckets and dragging a space heater.*

Well, add me to the sick list... I've been overrun by the creeping crud.:P

Warpmind><<Dude, Fox was visiting Titania, who was the person behind developing the Matrix. Xanatos Enterprises had nothing to do with the development of those nanites.>> You kid me. Dangit, I new I should have paid more attention to that episode... <<: Well, far preferrable to both the Way of S&W and the Way of the Sword is the Way of the A-10.>> I believe this is what they call an "arms race"... Besides, an A-10 is kinda hard to fit into a shoulder holster... <<You like GURPS just because you can design your own hardware there?>> That's not the ONLY reason, but it is a definate plus... <<I'm pondering the creation of a GURPS world where both science and magic flourishes...>> Sounds like fun.:) <<Besides, I'm too busy with Gargoyles fanfics, a new entry for Sabledrake Magazine, and a Call of Cthulhu campaign... I curse the need for sleep...>> you and me both, 'mano...

Firestorm><<Although, the hardest part would definitely be the production of all of those caseless rounds, and the tracking sensors for the gun�>> I'm talking about a pulse rifle not a smartgun... Although, now that you mention it...:D
Anyway, if you can accept cased ammo, it shouldn't be too hard to switch a thompson from .45 to 10mm... The only toughie would be the Grenade launcher... They used a 12 gauge for the movie, but the ATF has laws about barrel length....
As for the smartgun, let's say $25,000, a WWII MG42, a few little bits and pieces from Texas Instruments, some rudimentary aiming program, and some simple servos, and it's yours... <<OH� you meant a PROP of the real thing! Sorry! My mistake!>>Well, it'd shoot 10mm ammo... <<Ya know, you never really appreciate a headset for a phone until you are on hold with tech support for hours on end.>> Ouch...:P That sounds awful...

Delphi - Ooooooohhhhhhgggggg... Attacked by a raging pack of groaners... :) keep up the good work!

Gside><<na zdorov'ya: Pronounced "naz drove ya." Classic Ukranian toast. "Best of Health." Thought it was a good tagline.>> I see...:) Same to ya, buddy! spudgun: 3' pvc pipe + aerosol spray + potato = fun ?>> I've heard about these... cheap artillary! On the other hand, I've heard that they have a wicked kick...

Kaito><> Does THAT ever sound familiar... Maybe someday I'll put some stories somewhere, but I actually have a real problem right now in the fact that I don't like writing in New York City, when I know Boston so much better. *L* My favorite scenes all work so much better in places I know. In addition, I don't like writing the gargoyles themselves much. They don't FIT well enough to change the location. I would like to introduce the Fay, however, just to lay the smack down once in a while. I ~ do ~ have mages and demons and other fun stuff running around though. It is modern Boston plus unpleasant magical and spiritual plagues of many types. I just like the scenery in Boston. =)>> Before he left for college, my brother and I were working on a story/novel in the spirit of the original "dracula", which was set in Boston...

Yeesh... 11:40.:P Anyway I'll try to finish catching up later...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:44:05 AM
IP: 4.50.183.130

***Kyryn walks in and lights several candles on the table***

In memory of those who have gone on....

Ginger> Try this link to get to the DA Season 2 section. If it is still giving you problems, be sure to press reload on your browser as you may be trying to load an old cached copy.

Click on my name for the link

***Kyryn leaves quietly***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Friday, January 21, 2000 11:11:47 PM
IP: denm1-39.iglobal.net

Gside>Bureaucracies are a fact of life. Nobody likes them except perhaps a burecrat.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, January 21, 2000 10:04:09 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp23.fltg.net

Warpmind> <<First, let us kill all men of the law>>: "Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable
thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should
be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled
o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings:
but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal
once to a thing, and I was never mine own man
since."
There is no way I could have survived Cade's rebellion.

Random news: I managed to get the forms all done and to the right people for my double major (you can't start as a double major, and must apply 4th semester). I hate bureaucracies.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Friday, January 21, 2000 08:09:31 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Forgive me for not posting yesterday, but you know what happens the day after you go into a hyperventilation spaz? You have the biggest f***ing headache in the known universe! But today has been pretty good so far. My parents are out of town for the weekend and I have to get to bed early for my SATs tomorrow. Thank you to all who told me to hang on. Your thoughts are well appreciated :) I was able to lift a little stress this afternoon. I finished choreographing my solo for three hours and I feel really good right now.

Jaden & Kit> Thanks. All I can say is this particular girl is a nutcase and has all the symptoms of Senioritis.

Xanathar> I CANNOT BELIEVE you remember when I used to call myself the Happy Queen!!! I think that was forever ago! Your thought made me smile and I thank you for that!

Infinity> It just so happens that my favorite female performer is Loreena McKennitt! I have all seven of her CDs and listen to them religiously. Thanks for the suggestion, I think I'll go do that right now.

Wilek & Simon> Hmmmm...melodious music. That sounds like a good idea. Thanks for an alternative to punching holes in the wall.

Kyryn> I'm very sorry to hear for your loss. As I told Don, you have friends here you want to listen and we care about you. *hugs*

Coyote> May I call you Don? I feel like you, Xanathar, Green Baron, and Wilek have been my big brothers since I posted here more than a year ago. You're very special to me :)
SOROW
Friday, January 21, 2000 07:51:05 PM
IP: dll2a010-0602.splitrock.net

Hey Denis, try responding to your e-mails.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, January 21, 2000 07:15:57 PM
IP: fltg3-ppp23.fltg.net

hi, guys!

here's some news.

First, I have the honnor to say that Injustice For All is on tracks, the online is on process and for what it looks so far, it's promising. Less casting-wide, but narrowing on the characterisation of the G2K main cast (while still progressing on plotline).

Secondary, I strongly suggest the reading of Rising Sun part 1. It'll introduce characters that'll show up in the main Garg 2K as well as in G2k: District Attorney

Third, with Pist and Jannie, we're working on a special project that will allow a closer contacts with our fans.

*walks toward Jannie, and kiss her tenderly, and ruffles Chibi Otto's and Chibi-Purgie's hairs*

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Friday, January 21, 2000 06:38:12 PM
IP: 212.166.39.115

Firestone> I should clarify... when I speak of control that encompasses discipline, respect, etc. Also, I'm speaking of "normal" children - not ones with emotional or behavioral disorders.
Teachers and bruises - first off, they aren't gonna' see them if they are on the butts ;) seriously though, I know what you are saying and even though you hear of a few horror stories of parents being charged with abuse when they are disciplining children in public - for the most part, that doesn't happen. I rarely spanked my children in public. However, I did not hesitate to take them to the car and bust their fanny before returning to the store...or waited until we got home. If a parent leaves a bruise - then they have gone too far in disciplining.
As long as you drop your child off at the school - you have completed your responsibility in getting that child to the school.... if the child walks out the other door, then it is the school's responsibility. Once that child steps foot on school property during school hours, the school is responsible for the safety and knowledge of what happens to that child. The school can go to the extremes of having a police officer waiting to "deliver" that student to his/her class. (so at least they would be attending first hour) ;)

Sneaking out and such.... a friend of mine had alarms placed on her son's windows. There ARE methods that can be done and if those still don't work - it's time for Tough Love. I haven't met a police officer yet that didn't assist the parents in Tough Love (following thru with the consequences). But, prevention is the key and prevention begins at birth.

Jenna> we are swamped with a world of bad parenting skills.
Makes you wanna' puke sometimes, doesn't it? =\

I of all people know that once a child becomes a certain age you have no control over them. I also know that no matter how much you try, how much time you spend with them, what is given to them, etc. some children just don't respond and react to the way they were raised and the use the values and morals they were taught. There are no explanations for this. I have a son who is almost a perfect child. He wasn't given half the attention that Anna was given, but yet he received the same teachings, same love, etc. that she did. Go figure, huh? what I can say with pride though is that Anna WAS a good child before she went *snap*. She never talked back, she did what she was told, she was respectful to others, etc. This is why it was such a shock when she ran away.

Get in with the wrong crowd - once again, I speak of younger children where you can control such choices.

But, there are no perfect answers or solutions and you just have to do the best that you can do and pray the rest of the time. :) Of course, like I said... no matter what - some children are just not going to respond normally.
Jannie
Friday, January 21, 2000 06:31:57 PM
IP: 168-171-196-254.academicplanet.com

*a red 95 Beretta with a Decepticon logo on the rear screams in blaring DRAGULA by Rob Zombie* I just got my full drivers' license! In Ontario, one road test is not enough...you're still on probation for one to four years until you take the advanced test and pass it. Just did that today--and of course, my Decepticar wants all the credit.

*demoncar screams out, now playing FUEL by Metallica*

Jannie: Heh, my mom has bird-o-phobia too. Attacked by a rooster as a small child.

Children: Friend of mine had a very aggressive family. They were ALWAYS yelling at each other, cursing, throwing things, etc...but didn't really mean most of it. ANother friend of mine was so uncomfortable in the environment she pulled away from the first friend, who was then hurt because she didn't understand why Tammi didn't want to go over to her house any more. Me, didn't bat an eye, but glad not to live in that environment myself. Didn't do the kid any favours, as she always came off as pushy and aggressive even if she didn't mean to...there was no other way to ACT in her home.

Parents responsible for kids: There's times you just CAN"T force your children to do things. I've known some really nice people with absolute hellions of children. Raising them badly IS a parents' fault, but if their kid is mentally unbalanced/a psychopath/falls in with bad ppl who they look to more than their parents/living with parents who, because of job etc, can't be home very much and therefore can't take much influence over the kid/have been abused by relatives/caregivers and it's affected them, etc, there's so many variables a parent can't help no matter HOW mcuh they try.

Kyryn: My condolences. I will pray for your family.

Stormy
Friday, January 21, 2000 05:31:18 PM
IP: clifford-136-118.wcl.on.ca

Jannie: <Can't *make* a child go to school? Ummmm... you put them in the car and drive them there.>
My aunt drove her (very) truant daughter to school, where she simply walked through the school and walked right out the back door. This is what I mean when I say that you cannot make a kid stay in school if that child truly does not want to.

<Sometimes you HAVE to put in that extra effort in order to control your child... at least until they are 18. ;)>
Control is a factor, but there are more effective things to do to. Teach your kids respect and the importance of leanring from an early age. And be there for your kids. I am not saying quit your job to raise your kids. Both my parents worked and I turned out ok. (My sister on the other hand...)

<Fine... then turn him or her over to an authority who can... or put that extra effort into it.>
It is my fear that too many parents will do the former rather than the later.
I will agree that making the parents responsable for their kids is a good idea. I just think that there are going to be more and more abandoned kids because of this.

Also, due to abuse laws, many parents are afraid to disipline thier children for fear of legal action. Many teachers do not take too kindly to bruises on a child (bottom or elsewhere). Where does disipline end and abuse begin? In many cases a spanking could be called "abuse."

Due to this, you can only go so far with trying to keep a child in line. If a child wants to go out bad enough, he/she will find a way to get out of the house. Threaten to not let them back in the house? Abandonment. Lock them in a room without windows? Abuse. Send them to their room without dinner? Neglect.
What CAN a parent do?

I know that as a teacher you see the results of the way parents raise their children. But you also should understand that many parents feel powerless to control their children due to the legal system. What is one to do?

Parents SHOULD teach their children respect and disapline from an early age, but when that opertunity passes, what can a parent legally do?

(Word of note, though: I come from a average sized line of teahcers, so I have heard how they have dealt with kids in the past.)(You should see how many teachers curse Englers name in this state.)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, January 21, 2000 05:26:41 PM
IP: t1-46.visitus.net

Jannie- regarding kid in grocery store=--- you go girl!!!

One of the thing that amazes me is how bad things have gotten, as far as kids being out of control. I heard a 8 year old talk back to her mom saying, "F--- this, and F---, that." And the parent being just as hostile. I know I have a good relationship with my mom, better than most people, but I can't just believe the way some of these parents have no repect for themselves, and the kid who have no respect for them. It blows my mind.
jenna
Friday, January 21, 2000 05:18:29 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Delphi> That's great. Don't rush, though. I won't actually be able to work on it until Sunday afternoon. Remember to use my yahoo account for the reply. I can't check the one I used to send it to you until Monday.

I really appreciate your help. :)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, January 21, 2000 05:08:44 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Firestone> "In the city of Detroit, if a child is too truant (misses too much school) the parents can not only have
fines brought against them, but they can also serve jail time. For kids that parents just cannot make
their kids go to school, do you think that some of those parents will (abandon/give up/remove all legal
responsibility) those kids?
I think so, because I know that there a just kids that no matter what you do, you just cannot make
the kids go to school. The harder the parents try to make their kids go to school, the more those kids
will avoid school. (Not all kids, I know)"
ohboy..... Yes, I agree with the law. It is time for parents to take responsibility for their own children's behaviors. Can't *make* a child go to school? Ummmm... you put them in the car and drive them there. If you have a defient and older child - the police are more than happy to assist you. When parents are held repsonsible for what their children do - you may begin to see more discipline back in the homes. With the exception of those who are truly emotionally/behaviorally disturbed - the lack of manners, respect and obedience began when these children were young and the parents did not enforce rules and consequences. Most schools with this law will work with the parents. This is mainly for those parents who have allowed their children to rule the roost and the parents have refused to take control of the situation. Parenting is a full time position and commitment - the hardest and most important thing you'll ever do in your entire life. Sometimes you HAVE to put in that extra effort in order to control your child... at least until they are 18. ;)

A conversation I had with a parent at the grocery store this week:

~3 yr old boy screaming at his father because he couldn't have a toy....the boy could be heard half way across the store - yelling and screaming angry words at dad, dad ignoring him. They came down the aisle I was in (lucky me). I made a face and cringed at one of the loud outburst of the child. Dad looks at me and chuckles.~

Me: What are you going to do when he's 15 and yelling at you like this and using his fist at the same time?
Dad: I'm his parent, not you
Me: Thank goodness for that
Dad: it's none of your business
Me: Oh? you planning on home schooling him then?
Dad: no
Me: then he *is* my business....you'll put him in public school and then blame the teachers when he's constantly in trouble and disrupting the class with his tantrums
Dad: well, he's tired and angry
Me: fine, I understand that but even at his age, he should be taught some level of control and certainly not be allowed to speak to his parent in such a manner or tone under ANY circumstances. He's disturbing everyone in this store. He needs his fanny busted.
~I walked away~

*This* is the type of student that will be targeted for holding the parents responsible for being truant.
Interesting tidbit though.. when Anna ran away, she had just turned 18 (by a few days) so legally I could not do anything about it. I was told even if she had been 17, I couldn't have done anything (the police would not have brought her back home, etc.)... however, at 17 I would have still be held legally responsible for anything that she might have done illegally or irresponsible. Needless to say, if she had been 17 and I was responsible, I would have insisted the police track her down and drag her ass back home. I would not have allowed them to have it both ways.

But so many times I see parents just throw up their hands and say, "I can't control my child". Fine... then turn him or her over to an authority who can... or put that extra effort into it. I understand it more when the child is in high school - it's a different song and dance then... but not when they are 8 yrs old. I see that a lot.
I can put down a student (restrain hold) in less than 1 minute - up to the size of a 5th grader. You'd be amazed at how that student hesitates the next time before refusing to follow directions when I give it to them. *g* I may have to do this a couple of times, but they soon learn that it's instant behavior-consequences. (this is for the ones who are behavioral disorders...so if *they* can learn quickly, so can the "normal" kids)
hehehe, sorry.. didn't mean to go off so much on this...
but to answer your question, yes... I think parents should be held responsible for their children. *chuckles*

Glad it's Friday and I will now leave my "teacher" persona at the classroom door. ;)

*grabs Denis* let's go party for the weekend! ;) love ya! *kiss and hug*

Jannie
Friday, January 21, 2000 05:03:21 PM
IP: 168-171-196-254.academicplanet.com

wow I did it right!, the link works jenna

David>> recieved the email okay and I'll read and send back tonight, hope thar will work for you.
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, January 21, 2000 04:57:45 PM
IP: twin5908.magiclink.com

Thanks Delphi! ^_^
jenna
Friday, January 21, 2000 04:48:24 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

**RP HERE**
In the thick of the battle, Kitainia�s sister Stephanie has been a little cut off from the front lines of the Avatar�s forces. However, being immortal, she is hardly panicked. Still, surrounded is bad. An errant swing of an frustrated gangsta�s jammed rifle connects to the back of her head, sending her to the deck and her swords skittering under foot.
Rubbing the back of her head, Stephanie grimaces at the catastrophic noise the erupts from beside her. Rolling to one side, she sees the hilt of her sword lowered in front of her face. Grabbing her blade, she glances further up to see it extended by a dark-haired guy in a gray trench coat, standing on top of a vent-grating, resting atop the moaning form of the gangsta who�d blind-sided Stephanie in the first place.
�Milady,� Kaioto nods and takes a few quick steps across the bulkhead. Stopping, he kicks his katana back up into his grip. �Ah, an old friend.�
Shaking the smile off his face, Kaioto disappears quickly into the carnage, documented only by a fast-moving ripple of flying bodies and shouts of pain heading towards Kari and SJ.
**END RP**

Erg � flu bad � I haven�t vomited in 6 years � until Tuesday. I had to miss the first day of all my classes too. This is NOT a good thing.

Animals in Heaven:

How could we have Heaven without Man�s best friends? I don�t know about animals having the same kind of souls as humans, especially sponges and stuff, but I think it is safe to assume that animals have some sort of spiritual presence. I think the more intelligent and human-related animals have a greater presence than others, capable of developing personalities and low-level emotional attachments. I couldn�t picture a heaven without animals and plants and other things that make life so rich and full. If Heaven is reunion and reward, is should be neither lonesome nor boring, you know what I mean? :) That means that we�ll have cows and ducks and pigeons and mice and elm trees and anything else we find �normal� and comforting to exist with. Again, I think the environment of Heaven is something very individualized to suit the occupant.

SJ: I have to propose to you the question, �Is it really paradise if it is someone ~ else�s ~ idea of a good time?�

*urks, shrugs, stumbles back to bed*

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, January 21, 2000 04:45:20 PM
IP: 1cust126.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

this should be the reunion addy or click my name-hopefully I've got it enter in correctly:

http://www.firefox.org/reunion/flash.shtml
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, January 21, 2000 04:42:53 PM
IP: twin5908.magiclink.com

Can someone tell me how to access the Dark Ages Saga season 2? every time I try to get on there, it tells me that I need
a pass word, but it gives me no clue how to get one. I love the stories, and I have been forced to skip to the pendragon series, and I get the felling that I have missed some in the season 2 that I can't access. Thanks for the help.
ginger - [gnalli@hotmail.com]
Byhalia, Ms, usa
Friday, January 21, 2000 04:42:16 PM
IP: 1cust6.tnt2.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net

Does anyone have the addy to the gargoyles internet reunion? If so , please put it up for me, I'd appreciate it.

jenna
Friday, January 21, 2000 03:38:51 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Christine> I'll send it from my work account, around 3:00 central time. That gives me time to check a fact that I just realized I forgot to make sure of. I don't know what's up with Yahoo. It's working fine for other things.

Kyryn> I'm sorry about your grandmother-in-law. I'm out of eloquence on the subject of grief right now. What I said to Coyote applies to you as well.

Pistoff> Glad you're back. I gotta get around to reading your new fic. Injustice part 2 was great. You guys have built a really engaging story.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, January 21, 2000 03:15:00 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

::Demmie-chan enters, a mic in her tiny clawed hands, in a loud voice that would startle anyone used to Marina Sirits usual cool melodic sense of speech.::

FINALLY MARA HAS COME *BACK* TO THE CR!!!!!

::the lights go out, then flicker back to life in a blood red color. A skull-masqued female enters, in skin-tight pirate garb (Coyote, honey, put the eyes back in your head *smooch*), carrying a large manuscript of papers, a la the second act opener for Phantom of the Opera, even with the opening strand of the Phantom's theme::

Why so silent good messieurs, did you think that i had left you for good? have you missed me good messieurs i have written you a filk, here i bring part one of the finished score 'Rent-gargoyles style'!"

::throws the mask off, and grins:: Aren't I such the drama queen?

::Chibi Xelloss goes to chat up Hyena-chan, having missed her terribly,and also having an itch on his back he can't scratch. Chibi Angela goes to console all of the people who have lost loved ones recently, and Chibi Demona hugs Coyote, tightly, offering him some gum.::

Christine:: Read Damien.. oh my GOD it was amazing... Have I told you recently i loved you? :) Hurry up and finish two! Also.. I'm drawing a couple of pics from that an Indigo i'll scan soon...

Animals in heaven:: i simply dont know... i think perhaps the animals with some self-awareness will go to heaven and stay.. er.. animals. But bugs and stuff may not be aware, having such short lifespans and may go to heaven purely as energy. besides.. i dont wanna get stung by a mosquito in heaven

Xena's baby:: Yup... saw teh episode with Eli's death and Callisto revealing that she was the one to make Xena pergnant, so she could be her daughter. (orignally, xena thought it was Gabrielle.. since they both came back from the dead together) it was beautifully done. and i LOVE the way Callisto was, even helping Xena do something she knew was wrong (get teh dagger of helios) out of the desire to prove she wants to help her.

Kyryn and Coyote:: Words can't express my sympathy, I just lost my own grandmother recently.. so i know exactly how you feel.

Naked Demona/Jericho background :: As a proud hentai, I say bring it on!!!!

::Chibi Demona looks confused:: Who's Jericho?

Er.. anyone wanna answer that for her?

Anne::<Hey, has anyone seen Mara lately? It doesn't feel the same without the
trio fighting all the time :p > Just for you... ::teh Chibis begin to brawl over the right to start a proper fight, drawing in Chibi hyena and the rest:: :)

Reverend WARPY: Oh, where are you, Chibi Goddess? We miss you!> Just working on sh!t I've been promising to work on for a long time now. By the way, I'm using your fic for the Demona's payback. it's "the unexpected visitor" so there. :P

That being said ::collapses on teh couch out of mere exhaustion:: Click my name for the rent filk
Mara *the b1tch is back* Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Brooklyn, NY, USA
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:51:00 PM
IP: spider-wb054.proxy.aol.com

<<Never mind that Demona is a homicidal speciesist lunatic; she's got a great body! That just about evens things out. ;) >>

::sits back expectantly waiting for Warpmind to get scolded to the dogs and back the way the Jericho fans did::

Warpmind > got your submission for Sabledrake, haven't had a chance to look at it yet though.

David > _didn't_ get your submission; Chapter 2 came through as an empty e-mail :( About waiting until the 25th -- that's probably doable.

Gunjack > Ryan "Proteus" Stout has apparently all but vanished from the face of the fandom; last I heard from him (at least a year ago, probably more), real life was getting in the way in a good way ... he had a new ladyfriend and as we gamers know, that can often be the death of many a hobby ; )

SJ > re: cute animals -- yes, that's it, that's it exactly! re: Xena -- oh, please, you're kidding me ... I'm gladder than ever I quit watching that show!

Kyryn > deepest condolences to you as well! I fear I will be joining those of us losing grandmothers within the year; mine is ailing greatly.

Robby > got a lot of catching up to do, there! ; )

Pistoff > re: Alasak author -- she wrote back explaining that as a matter of fact Alaska really was usually considered part of the USA, and never heard a reply.

Damien update > hope to have Part Two posted tomorrow. I have been writing like a fiend. 41 pages in 4 nights. Wow. And Part Three is going to be a killer!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:25:56 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Xanathar: <Have I said something to offend you?>
By all means no! Why do you think you offended me? Actually, I enjoy the little conversation we have been having for the past few weeks.
(As for the rad suit, I meant it to be a tip. Don't abandon the rad suit in the elevator. When you need it the most, it will be unavailable to you.)
Have you won SS2?

Kyryn: I am so sorry to hear about your grandmother-in law.
Lady Mystic would like to e-mail you with some help, but you did not post an e-mail adress. Hers is Lady-Mystic@usa.net

Robby: <But thats not saying much is it?>
Well... um... no.

Todd: <the hypothesis>
Oh. Hmm... Well... I think I would agree with the point that there would be a catch if Xanatos did rescue them (I think he would.)

Wilek: <I'm glad you told me that>
No problem. Oh! There can be NOTHING ELSE in that file except for those codes. Learned that through trial and error.

Warpmind: <That person is a genius!>
Well, I wouldn't call myself a genius... oh wait! Yes I would! :)

Ick. That CR Admin pic looks REALLY strange distorted like that...
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:25:31 PM
IP: t1-46.visitus.net

Ok, DON'T PANIC!

I am writing this to inform everyone of Official TGS CR business! You may notice the image on the left is different. Different is good!

You also may notice that a few pictures may not load for the next (insert timeframe here), but hopefully everything will be OK Monday.

All of this has to do with the new TGS CR, Gorebash willing, will be up this weekend.

Images in general may not load for the next 5-15 minutes. DON'T PANIC! Just updating and correcting problems with some of the current images. If after 20 minutes your image still won't load, it will not load any more until the new CR format is up. (Anyone who has actually looked in the CRPICS directory will notice that there are multiple file names for some images. We chose the file that would load the fastest over the internet. Remember, this is a good thing!)

NOTE: WE ARE NOT TGS STAFF MEMBERS! We are just helpfull netizens, and we are just helping out the community.

More info will be given later.

(It REALLY feels wierd using the DumlaoX picture without it actually being a mistake!)
Fire Storm and Lady Mystic - [Mystic-Storm@usa.net]
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:07:59 PM
IP: t1-46.visitus.net

Aaron enters, carrying Hyena-chan, who runs off in search of the missing Xellos.

Kyryn> I am so sorry about your grandmother. Hang in there.

Robby> Well, I'm not sure Cheets could take all of the Thundercats, but as long as she takes out Snarf first I'll be happy.

Pistoff> Glad you're back, and you finally seem to have found a worthwhile ISP. Yes, the Titty Twister is the roadhouse in From Dusk Till Dawn, a movie I love despite the fact that Beavis and Butthead list it as the perfect movie. It's worth renting, if only to see Selma Hajek to the dance with the snake. I can't wait to read the Vinnie story.

Pets in heaven> One of my favorite bits from The Island of Dr. Moreau, (Yes Pissy, it was pretty bad overall, but there were one or two good bits) is Val Kilmer's "I wanna go to dog heaven" speech.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, January 21, 2000 11:51:02 AM
IP: ppp-238.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

*Warpmind walks in, a bright shining halo above his head."
Hello, children. Today, I was ordained as a Reverend. True, it was an easy feat; the Universal Life Church is quite manageable that way. As far as I understand, they'll take you as long as you've got a navel. Maybe they don't even require that... ;) Oh, well. I suppose I should check a bit more up on Norwegian legislation on the subject of who is allowed to perform activities such as baptisms, weddings et cetera. Though, I doubt there will be any problems anyway.

On to a few more replies.

Demona naked in the background? Who came up with that idea? That person is a genius! Never mind that Demona is a homicidal speciesist lunatic; she's got a great body! That just about evens things out. ;)

Eeep! New vic... friends? Welcome, Samira and Cat (and any others I've missed).

Cat: Nice pic. Self-portrait? ;)

Mara: Oh, where are you, Chibi Goddess? We miss you!

Wilek: Morbid curiosity... hmmm... yes, I think that excuse will do. Or I'll declare temporary insanity. Oh, wait, I'm a regular here... insanity is a permanent state... Morbid curiosity it is, then... Oh, and that link... I dunno, we see Microsoft breaking apart; I suspect the future may be the exact opposite of that story. Maybe even people have taken good ol' Will Shakespeare's words to heart? "First, let us kill all men of the law!"

Well, I'm trying to find an online copy of Norwegian Laws. Don't seem to be out there, though...

Later, children, and bless you, one and all... :)
Warpmind de InzanE a.k.a. Reverend Marius Blomkvist - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, January 21, 2000 08:51:54 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

<Pistoff>
<<Yggdrasil: Yeah, the Highlander TV series should've been kept separate from the movie, because otherwise it just makes no sense at all. Putting Connor in the series premiere was nothing more than stunt casting. The show was very good...but that one detail always bothered me like a thorn in the side.... And "The Final Dimension" and the horrible spinoff TV series should've driven the final nails into the coffin, but I guess somebody thinks they can milk a few more dollars out of it... *sigh* If they're gonna keep it going, they should try something completely new with it, rather than retreading the first movie (in Highlander III, Mario Van Peebles even did the exact same tongue-flicking action that Clancy Brown did a couple of times in the first movie). Maybe Quentin Tarantino should write and direct the next one, just for the pure hell of it. ;) I'm not really a huge fan of his work...but if this happens, it sure would be interesting.>>

The film francise lost it with the first sequel "There should have been only one!" (which, BTW, a group of MSTfans have done a fan MSTing of that you can find out at conventions, they actually make it watchable!)

The Duncan Macloed series at least avoided most of the pitfalls of the movies. I find I am less than enthusiastic about the movie prospect if they are bringing in both MacLoeds for the movie, like you said, stunt casting.
Skippy The Klingon
Friday, January 21, 2000 08:33:02 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-13.ultravision.net

Fleur> Welcome back! :D <hugZ>

Coyote> <<she wrote a children's story shortly after his death where he was a talking dog. I'll have to find that story somewhere around here ... it's definitely publishable, it just needs a little cleaning up ... it's a very special story for me because the characters were all based on our little traveling family (me, my mom and grandma). **chuckles** I'd imagine that'd make her happy if I could get that story published for her.>> Aww. :) Good luck getting that published; it sounds like it'd be popular. ^_^

Gside> <<<<how many patron saints of insanity are there anyhow?>>: Well, according to http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/, there are 14.>> Fascinating...I'll have to check that out. :) <<alternate religions: What avout Discordianism?>> No offense to any Discordians here, but...its followers scare me, and I have encountered evidence that Discordia is an Unseelie. O_O'

Warpmind> <<Now that I've heard that WAV, I'm no longer so sure why I wanted to...>> Morbid curiosity? ;)

Kyryn> Story> Kewl. ^_^ <<I'm sorry to say that my grandmother-in-law passed away earlier this evening.>> Oh no! :`( <hugZ> Sincerest condolences, friend...

Aaron> <<if we went with the naked Demona background, would anybody actually read the comments anyway?>> I wouldn't come in, so no. ;) (Ehh, I could always turn off image loading...)

Pistoff>> Welcome back to you as well! ^_^ RP vengeance> <muhahahahHAHAHA> <> Heh...if they ever do, it'll be pretty easy to overthrow them, what with their awful security...hehe <<Now all I gotta do is get to work on Injustice part 3, catch up on more of the CR, catch up on email replies, start on the second Rising Sun, start on the first of the stories about The Dude, get back to work on the complete first episode of Vacuum Riders, finish the MiST thingy...>> ACK. Maybe you should hire a ghostwriter or two? ;)

Cat> Welcome! :D HTML doesn't work in here, but kewl pic anyhow. ;) Now, where's the sanity sucker...

Delphi> <<And this wide-eyed little 3 yr. old looked up at her mother and replied,..... "Bud, Wise, Er.">> For some reason, this scares me...

Simon> <<Hey, guys. I'm having a really crappy night. **sigh** I know I have no right to complain�my life isn't that bad�but everything in the past week has come to a head.>> ACK. O_o I've had nights like that; hope everything works itself out soon...Site> This guy seems to see the (further) downfall of Gargoyles as the only hope of saving Star Trek...I know which one *I'm* sacrificing. :P

Fire Storm> <> Interesting...I'm glad you told me that, or I might never have realized just how it worked. :)

Anne> <<Hey, has anyone seen Mara lately?>> Come to think of it, where *is* she...?

Heather> <<as you can tell I might not be on this weekend, with ear infection and all.>> ACK... O_o Hope you get better soon; I've heard those are *awful*...

Xanathar> <<The ringing in my ears never stops(It even gets into my dreams so I can't escape it):(>> Sounds better than what ends up in my dreams...All my life, I have had exactly one dream that didn't disturb me, and it was about a week ago. o_O

Oh, check out my name link. This scares me to death, because it's so hideously plausible...
Wilek Nereus
Friday, January 21, 2000 08:17:48 AM
IP: tnt-3-235-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Heather:*HUGS*I can sympathize with your current situation,I get ear infections all the time,The ringing in my ears never stops(It even gets into my dreams so I can't escape it):(

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Friday, January 21, 2000 07:23:26 AM
IP: exip-t-004-p-205-26.tmns.net.au

Hi all!!

Infinity:<>It was my pleasure to help a fellow clanner in need. :)

Kyryn:My condolences on your loss.

Samira/Cat:Hello and Welcome. :)

Pistoff:I got your email,It's good to have you back. :)

Simon:I hope you feel happier soon,that was an Interesting link you put up too :)

Fire Storm:<<You will need it later� but at a time when you cannot get back to the elevator.>>Okay that was a poor example:(,but the lift is still a good place to stash stuff you might need later on.
Also I'd like to ask you a question...Have I said something to offend you?,I'm not very good at communicating(It's the price I payed for being a loner at school),If I have offended then I apologize.:(

C'yas' later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Friday, January 21, 2000 07:16:09 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

FIRESTORM - Actually, the hypothesis that I mentioned wasn't "What if the gargoyles hadn't gone to stop Oberon in 'The Gathering'", but "What if Oberon and Titania had never attempted to kidnap Alex".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, January 21, 2000 06:51:18 AM
IP: 216.87.46.27.dialup-stl.primary.net

**walks in still wearing her cape but has red sores on the right side of her head** Well, as you can tell I might not be on this weekend, with ear infection and all. **sighs**

Animals Going To Heaven > I'm inbetween with this issue. I think animals do have souls, I don't know why but I just think they do. **sighs** I just think this because I lost my first dog Lap over five years ago from cancer. He was a Lhasa Apso too, just like Missy. Sometimes I think he's still around, playing with his bell ball.

Demona naked for a background > ? **sweatdrops** Okay...
No comment on this.

**sighs as she leaves but she puts down a little box on the ground saying "To Robby" and leaves the room sadly**
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, January 21, 2000 06:50:13 AM
IP: 98caae52.ipt.aol.com

*Warpmind comes in, steaming with anger.*
Hi, guys. I just read that Shania Twain's lover(!) left her because "he didn't want to be her sex toy"! It kind of makes me wonder; isn't such stupidity in violation of just about every law from the Arctic to the Antarctic? I mean, I'd be Joyriding the guy, if it weren't for the fact that he'll Darwinize himself soon enough...

Gah! On to replies. If I seem a bit harsh, you know the reason.

Gside: Dude, those jokes the Norwegians tell about the Swedes are just the same ones that the Swedes tell about Norwegians. There is no ill will between our two countries. Well, aside from the Swedish growth of Neo-Nazism, that is. But both our countries resent that, so we're in agreement there, too. Besides, I think Sweden is the only country that Norway might have the potential of defeating in war. Though, I wouldn't put money on that...

Pistoff: <"Walnut Head."> Well, Worf IS.

**RP**
The battle aboard the Avatar of Ganon commences, bodies being hewed, ammo being wasted (honestly! Several of the present "actors" and "musicians" ARE a waste of ammo!), wounds being inflicted... Business as usual for the old-timers aboard. Warpmind glances around, peeking over the crate he's taken cover behind. He suddenly spots the label on top of it. "HIGH EXPLOSIVE - CAREFUL!" Warpmind goes wide-eyed as he spots someone pointing a very big handgun at the crate.
"Oh, fudge!"
With an impressive leap, Warpmind clears the blast area just in time and finds another crate to hide behind. Once there, he spots someone moving, recognizes the form, and fires a few poison darts. THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK!
"You two behind that crate! Someone is moving in on you!"
Doug and Kitania glance at Warpmind, then turn to face whoever he sees. Leo is staring at them, grinning wickedly, and pointing his weapon at Doug's forehead.
"Hello. Bulletproof clothes, I see. Is your skull equally armored?"
**END RP**
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, January 21, 2000 04:30:56 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**Walks in with Chibi-Duke Nukem clinging to his pantleg. Chibi-Duke is holding a detonator in one hand.**

Ladies and gentlemen, the purpose of this little ceremony is to commemorate the end of more than a year of misery. Yes, today I was able to hook up to a new internet service provider, and now that I've seen that it actually works, tomorrow I will give my ex-ISP the kick in the ass they've deserved for so long. I was online for three hours earlier today, and another three or so this evening, and I was not disconnected even ONCE! And the email is working perfectly, right off the bat (as opposed to the old ISP, which had screwed-up email service from the very beginning). So, for now, a bit of RP vengeance... Any time you're ready, Chibi-Duke.

**Chibi-Duke presses the detonator with a savage grin, and in the distance a thunderous explosion can be heard, followed by three or four sickening SPLAT! sounds. Chibi-Duke grins even wider and bellows, "BITCHIN'!!!"**

Ah...I feel cleansed. :) Now, to catch up with last week's CR (again)...

SJ: Good points about Star Trek's "Most Improbable Aliens." A friend of mine, who I introduced to Star Trek a few years ago (when I didn't know any better :P) was watching an episode one evening, and his father walked through the room just as Worf appeared on the screen. My friend's dad called Worf "Walnut Head." When I heard about that, I almost asphyxiated from laughter.... ;)

Jannie: Your principal and her adopted grandchild...my god. There's no excuse for that kind of behavior. That woman needs to be put away, immediately. *sighs* As for being detained at Wal-Mart...O_o Weird...I would've expected that to happen to me more than it does to you...but it's only happened to me once. Maybe most of them just take one look at me and decide to keep their distance? *L* It's both a blessing and a curse... ;) Anyway, I hope that never happens to you again... I'm glad you're getting over the flu, though. I hope that never happens to you again, either. *hugs*

Aaron: Titty Twister, eh? That's from "From Dusk till Dawn," right? I haven't seen that one...but I have to admit, for a vampire movie, it looks like fun. ^_^ And congrats on getting your fic into the archive! *adds yet another must-read fic to his list...* And thanks for the thumbs-up on Injustice part 2. 8D

Delphi: I got your email a while back, and liked it. :) Sorry I wasn't able to respond, but I've been swamped lately, and having connection problems. But all that should change now... :D

Nuking the Fae: Probably not a good idea, all things considered...but there's no reason we couldn't point out to them that they could be burned off the face of the earth if they push us too far. ;) All we would need to do is get somebody who knows the "magic" phrase to get to Avalon, and send him in a boat with a bomb...he could set a timer and then leave...an hour later--BLAMMO! First it should be done with conventional explosives, just as a "warning shot"...just to scare the crap out of the faeries. ^_^

Now, there were some interesting point raised about _why_ we don't like the fae. Personally, I don't think it matters that they manipulate and play with humans, or gargoyles, or whatever...when humans certainly have done our share of that to animals. What gets me all riled up about stuff like this is when somebody messes with me or one of my friends. I do NOT like to be manipulated, toyed with, led on, or jerked around in any way whatsoever--and I don't like seeing that happen to my friends, either. So, for me, anyway, this is where my feelings about the Third Race stem from.

But there's no need to nuke all of 'em. They can be taken on one at a time. In one of my fics, which I still need to rewrite to fit developments in my series before I can post it, Jack Hammer beats the snot out of Oberon. :) And he'll be perfectly happy to smack the Wyrd Sisters around a few times, too.

Hmm...that's giving me ideas... *evil grin*

AOL buying Time-Warner: Oh god...I need to go change my underwear...

Doug: Thanks for the good review of "Injustice" part 2...but ye gods, where do you find the time to do all that reading in addition to your own writing?! *L* The part about Elisa and Goliath is a continuing subplot...Goliath will have more of a presence in Part 3. :) As for the Sword of God assassins, yeah, they're rather disturbed. Honestly, that was a difficult scene to write. It really affected me on an emotional level. One thing that really gets to me is seeing innocent people harmed by nutcases like these...it just clashes with my sense of justice. After finishing that scene, I actually sank into a depression for a couple of days. And however the outline for Part 3 turns out, I'm definitely planning to have at least a VERY pissed-off Jack find at least one or two of the assassins and put the smack-dab on their asses. :D Thanks again for the compliments. Oh, my ego...hehehehe! Oh, before I forget again, I noticed the archive seems to have jumbled your stories around. Which one comes after the GI Joe crossover? I'd like to get started on the next one ASAP...I can't guarantee when I'll have the time for it, but I'll do my best...I just need to know which one to read next. :)

Anne: I'm sorry about your brother. Seems like a lot of people in here have been losing loved ones, and I never know quite what to say, except that we're here for you. *hugs* I just wish I'd been able to say this sooner... :(

Fleur: Good to see you in here again. :)

Kyryn: My condolences on your grandmother-in-law. *hugs* I wish I knew what else to say, but we're here for you....

Warpmind: <> ROTFLMAO!!! >8D

Christine: About that Alaskan author who was rejected because the magazine "only accepts work from American authors"...I'm curious--what did the guy do about this? Or did he just sit there and shake his head? Personally, I would've been seriously out to get that stupid bastard... :)

Kitainia: Thanks for the compliments on Injustice part 2. :D As I said to Doug, I'm planning to have Jack track down a couple of those Swordies...and it will be a beautiful sight to behold. ^_^

Wilek: <<:O This kind of person is why they invented chainsaws...>> *sinister chuckle* <<Repulsive.com> I qualify as 'quirky', I think...>> Well, that's one word for it... :/ <<<<then was awakened at 2:30 by some son of a bitch who fired a shotgun outside my bedroom window. He's dead now. :)>> He suffered adequately, I trust? >;)>> Nah, that one was a quickie just because I wanted to get back to sleep. ;) <<Wow...I've never liked ICQ, but I never knew it had *that* many problems...Hey, didn't AOL buy them a while back? It'd explain a lot...>> Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that...and to think those inept pusbags are trying to take over the world... O_O <<Chibi Octabrain sounds like a handy critter to have around. :)>> Oh yeah, he comes in real handy... >:)

Zath: Thanks for sending the thumbnails. ^_^ I'll put them on the art gallery page as soon as I have time... <<However, unless I just misread that part, Beth jogging 4 miles in 10 minutes seems a little odd.>> Uh...oops. *bangs head on desk* Thanks for catching that one. Must've been a typo... :/ As for Rocky Horror Picture Show...you're right, it could be extremely amusing. I wish we could've seen it get ripped to shreds on Mystery Science Theater 3000... :)

XenaTrek: <<I'm still waiting to see if Richard (the one who got it up and running in 15 minutes on an AMD, gave them a call. *grins* I am no longer gonna bring my CPU to any shops... I will just pay the extra postage to ship it to Richard, (or give him and his wife a free trip down?) or find someone like him down here in Orlando. I've learned my lesson.>> Boy, I guess--and what a painful lesson...I just hope there's a way to cause those morons some pain in return... :)

Yggdrasil: Yeah, the Highlander TV series should've been kept separate from the movie, because otherwise it just makes no sense at all. Putting Connor in the series premiere was nothing more than stunt casting. The show was very good...but that one detail always bothered me like a thorn in the side.... And "The Final Dimension" and the horrible spinoff TV series should've driven the final nails into the coffin, but I guess somebody thinks they can milk a few more dollars out of it... *sigh* If they're gonna keep it going, they should try something completely new with it, rather than retreading the first movie (in Highlander III, Mario Van Peebles even did the exact same tongue-flicking action that Clancy Brown did a couple of times in the first movie). Maybe Quentin Tarantino should write and direct the next one, just for the pure hell of it. ;) I'm not really a huge fan of his work...but if this happens, it sure would be interesting.

Simon: <"Unlikely Country Songs"> ROTFLMAO!!!! oh my god...hehe! <Rocky Horror Picture Show> I agree...doing the costume thing on occasion and just enjoying the movie, sure, I got no problem with that...a two-person reinactment of the whole movie? In the cafeteria? And they weren't thrown out by the teachers or beat up by any of the jocks? *sigh* It's truly a sad, sad world we live in...

Tim: Happy Birthday! :D Sorry I'm late with this... :/

Doug again: <<Thanks for the good fic advice, I've pretty much been taking it in the past few days. And the fic is going better, thankfully. :) I'll have it done soon. Thanks for the assurances about hate mail too, they made me doubly glad I didn't get any (and even more faithful that you're my friend :).>> Hey, I'm glad I could help. :D You'll always have my friendship, no matter what. :)

And now for a quick announcement--The first episode of Rising Sun is finally finished and waiting in the archive. Vinnie is a rather different kind of character from the ones I'm used to writing about...I just hope I got his characterization right... *sweatdrops* Now all I gotta do is get to work on Injustice part 3, catch up on more of the CR, catch up on email replies, start on the second Rising Sun, start on the first of the stories about The Dude, get back to work on the complete first episode of Vacuum Riders, finish the MiST thingy...*vapor-locks*

Well, that's it for last week's comments...I'm out of time and my eyes are starting to cross from staring at the screen for so long, and I've probably missed some comments here and there. Apologies in advance, if this is the case. Gotta work 10 hours tomorrow, then I'll try to catch up on the rest when I get home...
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Friday, January 21, 2000 03:44:50 AM
IP: cb5-67.transport.com

Sorry about the double post, but I saw a spelling mistake.

It's supposed to be- 'I'm too tired to post right now.' Not 'tied'. No my parent did not tie me up to try to keep me from getting on the internet and force me to type with my toes.
Jaden
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:35:57 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

****I'm too tied to RP right now. Next post****

Sorow-I know what it's like to be stressed like that. When I was in junior high sometimes I would just want to break down and cry. Sometimes I would just want to run away because I thought that anyplace would be better than where I was. If you still feel like your losing it I would suggest that right now you drop all your problems, every single one for just a few hours. Spend some time relaxing and do something you enjoy. Don't wait until you are at the end of your rope because that it will end hurting you, I know from experience.

Fleur-Welcome back! Connecting from home? That brings back memories of when I first started to do that. It was like one moment I was just another guy living in a small town AND THEN I got the internet and I turned into a guy living in a small town with the world sitting in front of me on a computer. ;)

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:32:27 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Hi all

Rant> I HATE MY COMPUTER! >:( It was working fine a few days ago, but now I keep getting disconnected. My dad disconnected twice (and that's all), and then whenever I get on, it automatically gets disconnected! So I'm thinking (driven to this delusion) that my Dad's got a magic touch, so here he is standing next to me as I type this. And, he's going away. Waiting...waiting...waiting... *sigh of relief* Ok...nice computer...nice computer... heh... It's been working for the last few hours, thankfully. And greater news--I can actually read the DA story! YIPPEE! (review later!) Yet, I can't find Claw-kun anywhere. I hope he's not being hounded too badly by Hyena-chan...

T3> Dang, I don't know what is going on! Last time I checked, they said that the guy who made Supernova is also making Terminator 3, but now they're saying nothing about it! I'm confused and frustrated at this point, so if somebody would like to take over, go ahead.

***Animal--Heaven Rant***

'Kay, well...animals having souls??? I don't know about this. I have seven--that's right, count em--seven cats, plus one that's always locked up in my grandma's room. And I love all of them dearly, and that's the reason why we put up with their yowls at nighttime. My mom and grandma are the ones that have troubles with the kittens, but the last months they've both really warmed up to them. So I want them to be with me in the future.

Anyway, (sorry for that rant) this is what I believe: in the bible, it says nothing about animals going to heaven. But then again, the bible says nothing about them going into
non-existence either. As for the "the lamb will lay with the lion", that's a metaphor--it means that we all shall have no enemies. We won't fear one another. The lamb will lay next to the lion because the lamb will not fear that he'll be eaten. The lion will let the lamb lay next to him because he doesn't feel that wild hunger anymore. In other terms, Jon Castaway will befriend Demona because he'll not be afraid that he'll be killed. Or, Demona will befriend Castaway because she will not feel the rage to commit genocide. Most things referring to animals in the bible are all metaphors. (Sorry Worshipper 1962, this isn't meant to be a personal hammering. In fact, welcome to the CR! :) )
As for if animals do have souls, I don't know. I believe that when we go to heaven, God wants us to have the paradise that we desire. To make a paradise, we all have loved ones. If that includes animals, then so be it. That's my one hope, anyway...
**END***

Kyryn & Coyote> My friends, that is so terrible. I pray that your grandmas find the rest of their existences in peace and happiness, and that you will find joy in the thoughts of their contentment. I hope you know that you have friends here that will support you through everything. You all have helped me in a lot of ways after all. :*)

Jenna> <<you don't see them screwing each other to get a percentage>> *LOL* I'm with you sister! :)

***SPOILERS***
Buffy> I *loved* this episode. Everything was perfect and timed just right well beyond my expectations. I feel that Buffy's new relationship with Riley is a great adder to the show--Angel has gone. They have loved, they have fought, and now they have mended. No new wounds--NO NEW WOUNDS!! Truly, if Buffy and Angel get back together, I'll be very *very* happy, but only if Riley turns out to be a mega-jerk or something in the future. I don't know why, but I like this character, just like how I got attached to Doyle. Um...maybe that's a real bad example? No less, I can't wait for next week's ep., though I have a feeling that it's going to be pretty predictable...
Angel> Like Buffy, this one was fantastic! I don't think Kate and Angel are going to get kissy-kissy, but there's something there that has yet to be scratched. And Cordelia giving babies? DEMON BABIES?!? Man, I thought she was going to get a real pregnancy, but this may be a lot more fun... >:)

***END SPOILERS***

Samira> Welcome to the CR! :)

Pistoff> Yay! At last! *Tosses a party hat* ^_^

Hey, has anyone seen Mara lately? It doesn't feel the same without the trio fighting all the time :p

"Slash"> Uh...I think I'm getting sick... *green face that eventually changes back to normal*

Bye all! :)
Anne
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:16:52 AM
IP: 204-246-241-167.nas2.apv.gblx.net

**RP ALERT**

On the Avatar of Ganon's recreation deck, Zezil covers his ears and cringes, muttering to himself, "Can't go out there, I'm a coward. Can't go!" "Don't worry, Zezil," a voice speaks in his head. "I don't need for you to go." The imp looks up and nods. "Okay, master. Thank you, master." "Gerald Bennet, another servant of mine, is already handling the direction of the battle," Deavik declares. "You just stay where you are and whine. I must get back to the City of the Dead." Zezil nods, smiling in rapture as the voice and the presence of ultimate evil that comes with it fade.

Meanwhile, up in the hangar, Leo and his entourage work their way through the chaos of screaming fans, shooting snipers, fistfights, and bloodthirsty Dalek-Xenomorphs to reach the shadow of a large Super Star Destroyer. "You made me break my bananna!" someone shouts behind them. "That's not all I'm going to break!" Elena's familiar voice shouts in reply. The sounds of bones cracking follows it up. Elsewhere the Taco Bell Dog (God only knows what he's doing come back to life) looks at the horrible wound Stephanie has just slashed in his side, contemplates his intestines, whispers "Hmm, gooey!" and then dies. Newbie, the newest member of Leo's entourage, sees this and gasps, looking at Leo. "Boss, do you know what's going on here? Hundreds of people are dying!" "Or they're dead," Rude points out. "What are you guys talking about?" Handsome Dummy asks. "I just see a bunch of people acting out a scene from some war film." "This isn't a movie, you stupid dolt!" the Lawyer slaps him upside the head. "Leo, what have you brought us into here?" "Hey," Leo's agent and chief yesman snaps. "Don't talk to the boss like that!" Leo waves him off and steps forward, smiling. "Look, guys," he says, "I'm here to see about a girl. In order to make her mine I have to kill her sister and her sister's boyfriend. I shot the boyfriend, but he may still be alive and Lisa Telman definitely is. Therefore our work here is not done." "News flash, boss!" yells Rude. "We lost our ship! Matt's dead, and so are a few of the other celebrities we brought in. Yeah, Puffy and some others are holding their own, but they can't win here. Let's find some way to get out, before we die!" "Motion seconded, Leo," says Newbie. "Loving girls and leaving them, promoting your movies and your self-image, hanging out with you and getting drunk and partying all the time, that's all well and good. But I didn't sign up for getting shot at or killing people, okay? So get your mind back in order and let's go home!" Leo sighs heavily. "You guys were always such good employees before now. I'm really dissappointed in you two." He then raises his pistol and shoots both Rude and Newbie dead. "There, problem remedied. Anyone else want to dissent?" Yesman and Lawyer shake their heads fearfully, Handsome Dummy hiccuping and backing away in shock. Leo ignores him and waves the others to follow him, turning back into the battle. "Where are my foes?" he asks. "I must find them." "They're behind that crate," Jerry says, appearing at his side all of a sudden and pointing to Doug and Kit's hiding place. "Do what you want to them. I can torment their souls later. Right now I have business with my old friend Tom." Leo nods, reloads and cocks his weapon, then starts calmly sneaking towards the crate with his nervous entourage following. "Good luck, boys," Jerry snickers after them. "Pleasant dreams, Kitainia and Doug." He grins and vanishes in a puff of smoke.

**TO BE CONTINUED SOON ENOUGH, FOR NOW END RP**

<sighs heavily> Greetings CR dwellers. Well, the first three days of school are past, and for me they were a mixture of good and bad. All my classes seem interesting (with the exception of Spanish, and I wasn't really expecting it to be a memorable course, just one I have to take) with good professors and decent classmates. The homework load's not that bad, but does contain a lot of reading and some papers up ahead. I'll deal with them. The main bad part of going back to school is I'd forgotten how tired it makes a person. I'm not kidding. Right now I want to just crawl into bed and sleep forever. My brain and body are already that stressed out by school. If I'm hoping for a beneficial semester, this can't be a good sign. <Home Alone style scream>

Anyway, I'd like to sleep, but right now I need to post. Lots of the people in here obviously need a friend, and with this knowledge in mind it has become my duty to remind them that I am so and be there for them in this time of need. Because if I'm not there, well...then I'm not really a good friend, am I? <sighs> I want to help the people as well, the best way I can. So the main reason I'm here tonight is to do that. I'll be making replies and comments on other things of course, but first I must give my friendly words to the people who require them, hoping that in doing so I can help to comfort them and at least ease a little of their pain. :)

Coyote, once again, I am very sorry about your loss. Many people in here have recently said momentous words in response to it, and since my main gifts are dealing with strong will and emotional perception, not writing, I don't know if anything I say now can equal what they have. <sighs> I feel your pain, though. I never knew my maternal grandparents, or really my paternal grandmother either. The former died before I was born (World War 2 and cancer), and the latter when I was two (stroke). I have the barest memories of my paternal grandmother as a nice person who was always smiling and loved her family dearly, and my parents have confirmed this along with my older brother Ray (he was seven when she passed). I think somewhere inside me I loved her too. My paternal grandfather, Ian Telman, lived until I was 15, then died of old age. During his living years in which I knew him he often told me that he missed my grandmother a lot and that I reminded him of her (my middle name, Samantha, was hers). If I had known Grandmother, Grandpa also often told me, I would have missed her a lot too. I think that I did miss her, because even when she was dead the memories I and others had of her still lived on and they remain a great influence on my life today. True, their influence can surely not compare to all your grandmother has contributed to your life, but it still allows me to know some of what you're going through. <sniffs> Therefore, if you need a shoulder to cry on, I'm here. So's Doug of course, he'll make his own response to your situation later on. <sighs> Grandparents represent many things in our lives. They are a voice of knowledge and wisdom, often greater than that of our parents for reasons I know not. They are also a source of caring and unconditional love on which we can almost always depend, no matter what we do (if they're good grandparents, anyway. I'm not going to go into what makes a grandparent good or bad, it's not necessary. I know your grandmother was very, very good). <closes eyes and thinks for a moment, then continues> When they die, if we loved them (and children nearly always do), our grief always flows. Just as it does for our other beloved relatives, and our dear friends, when they die. Grandparents are often both. We must mourn them, yes, but we must also take comfort in the fact that they meant a lot to us. That means we will always remember them, and thus in a way they shall live on. And, with the wisdom and knowledge they've handed down to us while they were alive, so shall we. :) <hugs> May you and all whom you love and share your pain and grief find strength and get through this time of trial, my friend. My prayers and hopes go with you, as well as whatever else I can contribute that you may need. <hugs again>

Kyryn: <reads above paragraph> Well, maybe I proved myself wrong. That's some pretty good words up there. Honestly, I know I can't say anything better to you. Therefore, the same words apply to you and all you love in your current situation. May both you and Coyote, as well as all whom you love and whom share your pain and grief in this time of sadness, find strength and live on. The memories of your departed loved ones will always remain inside you, and I am sure they will be happy and helpful more often than not. The departed are gone, but if we remember who they were and what they taught us, they will never be forgotten. :) Life goes on, no matter how sad the events that may come. It goes on better sometimes, too, as death often relieves us of worry as well as causing much grief. Remember that, and remember the people you've lost and what they meant to you, and you will continue. :) Again, if you need a friend, I'll always be around. <hugs>

SOROW: Your situation requires a somewhat different response. Stress is something I can well understand. The causes of your stress you've documented, I haven't really dealt with too many similar situations so I don't know what to say to them. I will tell you though that the surest way to handle situations like them, I believe, is not to worry. Trust in your friends to handle the various situations they've got going, helping them if they need it. Letting their mistakes get you down is one sign of true friendship, but it also can be very damaging to you and them. If I had a twenty dollar bill for every time in my life a friend of mine has been going through something bad and yelled at me to let them deal with it and butt out without apologizing afterwards...<shakes head> Hope you're not in a similar situation right now, but if you are the best thing I can tell you to do is to sit back and let the situation take care of itself. Sometimes it's best to just let other people's problems be theirs and forget about them. Do the same with your own stresses, don't concentrate on them, and get on with your life. If you can get past something, it will often resolve itself, and then you can go on as though it didn't happen. Or if that proves impossible, finding the strength to deal with and accept it now will often help you to do the same again later. Which is of course a good thing. :) Whatever happens, my prayers and friendship are with you. Let me know if you need anything, I'll do my best to provide. <hugs>

Simon/Deuce: Your situation I don't know much about 'cause you didn't say much about it, but I'm still with you as you deal with it. My friendship, prayers, hugs, they're all there should you require them. My hopes that your stress ends soon, friend, and your life improves. If there's anything I can do to help speed things along, you only have to ask me. <grins> Good luck with your finals, too. Hope you survive and do well. <thumbs-up>

SJ: Your town's going mad, huh? Well, my best advice is that it is going to pass sooner or later. The snow will melt, the public will calm down, and minds will return to a rational state for a short time. All you have to do is wait, and bear it while it lasts. If you need me to help, just drop me a line and I'll do what I can. Thanks, btw, for convincing me double to never move to Washington DC. Not that I have anything against the town, but with all the politicians there and their scandals, as well as this snow deal you've mentioned, I don't think I could stand it for more than a week. No offense, just stating a fact. Good luck enduring the city yourself, however much longer you have to do so. :) Glad we agree on Cristina and Britney (except for the hormone deal), thanks for the clarification. Thanks also for all that entertainment info you've recently dispensed. I look forward to the Batman Beyond bits (with the exception of Superman) and hope Blight also returns (saying it again!). Also agree with you about Jordan, that guy may be a good basketball player but I honestly don't know if he can do anything else well. :(

Slash: I agree, let's end this topic. Sorry for anything I may have done to keep it going, glad it looks like it's over now. :)

Robby: Thanks for clarifying your situation. Sorry about the mix-up. Hope you're someday able to come in here as much as you usually did, until then stay cool. :)

Fay: Good points, Kaioto and SJ. I agree with them, sorry for any offense I may have incurred in either of you by detracting earlier. I still maintain that the fay are all individuals and therefore should be treated like them, but I will concede that a lot of them are bad news individuals who therefore deserve to be punished. <grins at Maeve's tortured screams> May they learn the necessary lessons to survive in this world without staying evil. <shakes head in doubt for some, like Weird Sisters and Unseelie Court> Again, I also agree with Jenna about nuking the whole species. Let's take care of the faulty individuals in the fay, not all of them. The mistakes of the few should not be suffered by the many (or vice versa). There, that's all I'll say on that topic. Hope it's over now. :)

Kaioto: Didn't say this before, but I too liked your Micheal post (and yes, I was imagining Travolta in the role too. I saw Micheal and enjoyed the film, even if it remains hard for me to imagine an angel like that existing IRL). I'm also wondering something. Have you ever read RA Salvatore's Cleric Quintet books? If not, you should. They're very good, and the main character reminds me a lot of you. You'd like the stories too IMO, they've got interesting religious undertones that mix with great plot, good D&D action, excellent character development, the works. You can probably find them at your local gameshop in a bulk volume if you haven't read them before and want to check them out now, hope you do sometime. :)

Joe Boxer: You're welcome. Hope you took it to heart. <grin>

Stormy: I too read and really enjoyed your latest Wagner story. The emotion and character development were some of the best I've seen in all writings, on and off the Net. Great plot too, I look forward to more. Thanks for the entertainment and keep up the good work. :)

Buffy & Angel: Great episodes this week, too bad my reviews of them have been given already in here by SJ and Doug. I liked both a lot, and look forward to the ones coming up next week. Especially enjoyed all the character development, which is really what makes a story endure in your mind IMO. Good luck to Buffy and Riley in their new relationship, I think they're pretty well suited for each other and have no problem with them together. Angel is another story. I want the guy to fall in love with someone, yeah, but since if he does and it carries to fulfillment he'll go bad again I don't want to at the same time. So therefore I think it's best for him to be apart from Buffy (for both their safety and emotional health), at least for now. If the curse can be lifted and he can keep his soul, maybe I'd be glad to see them back together. As long as things stay the tragic way they are, though, I will continue to advocate Angel staying by himself while Buffy finds happiness with other love. :)

Todd: Good points about Xanatos in Hunter's Moon, I agree with them. Thank goodness Goliath helped him before, huh? :)

Aaron: $ Yep, McConaghey should have been doing that. But he wasn't, so now he's dead in the RP. We are still not mourning the idiot egotistical jerk's loss. :) $

Animals in Heaven: Personally, I'm pretty sure there are animals up there. Yeah, it's partly because I miss Lindsay (the cat I had as a child) and want to see her again, and I know lots of other people feel the same way about their animals. I also, however, believe in the original translation of the Bible that says animals have souls and I agree with Stormy that many times animals can show they have them. Then there's my belief that part of Heaven is an area called the Beastlands, a wild paradise where animals and people who would prefer to live the afterlife as animals can run free and exist in their natural state without human intervention. Such a place would probably be the ideal heaven for a lot of animals, if not all. :) I also believe that humans should not be arrogant about heaven of all things and say it's only for us. For all these reasons, I think a lot of animals are probably up there. Bet they're enjoying the place too. :) I respect the views of all those who disagree of course, hope they'll do the same for mine.

Pistoff: Look forward to reading Rising Sun. That's the Vinnie story, right? :) Thanks for mentioning Part one of it's been finished. I'll look it over as soon as I get the chance. Same to Christine about Damien Part 2.

Cat: Welcome to the CR and thanks for showing off your cool webpage. I think you'll fit in well here. <grins> Hope you don't stay a stranger and come back soon.

Snow: As I've said before, I like the stuff myself despite the fact that I've had my share of problems related to it (snowball injuries, skiing accident, disappointments over melting snowmen, etc). Yeah, it can make people insane, but in my experience it makes more of them able to have a lot of fun outside, and that's always a good thing. :)

Okay, that appears to be all I have to say tonight. Thank goodness, too, because I'm even more tired now than I was when I started this. Oh well, it was worth doing. :) Good night everyone. Hope you all have a good weekend. Doug and I won't be doing much during it since there aren't any interesting movies playing (we'll be saying the Beach next week, though. Leo notwithstanding, this flick looks cool!). Rented Dusk Till Dawn 3 tonight if anyone cares, and it's definitely a worthy beginning to the story even if it wasn't as great as the original film was. :) <sighs> Again, if anyone needs a friend in the next few days, drop me a line. Doug and I will get back to you. May all our days improve soon. <waves, smiles hopefully, and leaves>

**MORE RP, APOLOGIES TO ANY FANS IN HERE OF THE CELEBRITIES WE MALIGN**

The battle in the hangar continues, fans continuing to drop left and right to the Ravens and Avatar forces' attacks (the good guys are clearly winning the battle now). Kari and SJ fight Ally and Regis, while near them Miriam is involved in a catfight of her own with Rosie O'Donnell and Wilek is leading the Daleks against a huge force of Monster Rancher and Digimon characters backed up by the legions of idiotic and brainwashed children who have become their fans. On the other side of the battle, Elena gives the BigWords.com spokespeople a final burst with her assault rifle and then runs to help Boris fend off a pair of too-handsome shaven-headed bad actors who are both punching him out to promote their dumb new movie (the actors are Antonio Banderas and Woody Harrelson if anyone cares). She is stopped halfway by a burst of fire from the mouth of a certain bitchy friend of Ally McBeal's. "Hello," Lucy Liu greets the Ravens' resident action woman and cauldron of constant anger. "I don't know who you are but I'm sure we're enemies. Therefore you must die." "Okay," Elena shrugs. "You first, whoever you are." "You don't know me?" Liu questions in surprise. "Nor should I," Elena replies. "It will make your death easier on my mind." With that she shifts into her Parasite Eve style Liberation Angel form and attacks. Doug sees this from across the hangar and shakes her head. "Sometime we have to ask Elena how she's able to do that." "No time now," Kit points out from beside him. "Too many people trying to kill us. Again." "Right," Doug agrees, just as somebody taps him on the shoulder. "Hi y'all," the Dixie Chicks say in greeting when he and Kit turn. "Can we sing for you?" "No!" they both shout, cutting all three down with quick blasts of laser and shotgun. "Fine," says Cristina Aguilera, who is standing nearby. "If they won't, I will. I'm a genie in a bottle, baby, come, come, come..." "You're a genie?" Kit asks her. "I have three wishes. One, shut up! Two, die! Three, never be reborn!" She then pulls out her rocket launcher and blows Aguilera to pieces, Doug shooting each one with a shotgun blast for good measure and then high-fiving Kit before they are forced to do battle with Cristina's now infuriated remaining fans. From behind her cover close by them, Erin shakes her head and sighs. "Real genies can sing better than that woman could." "Yeah, I bet," Gubio agrees. "You can tell me later, let's keep surviving." Erin nods and turns to help him take down a huge mob of fanboys who are dressed up like the Royal Flush gang, Magic: The Gathering style (not even going to begin to describe their card deals). All the fighting continues as the screen goes blank.

**END THIS LONG AND CRAZY RP. FEAR NOT, MORE WILL SURELY COME NEXT TIME :)**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, January 21, 2000 02:15:24 AM
IP: pool-207-205-234-180.dlls.grid.net

Man, this jhas just not been a good week for the CR. Coyote, Kyryn, Deuce... Don, Beth, and Simon... Strength to ya all, and may you feel better about whats troubling you soon. I'll probably be available on AOL IM much of tommarrow night or reachable by email if any of ya need to talk.

Animals in Heaven- To be quite honest, at this point I don't believe people go there when they die, so...

Christine- A 3 parter huh? Gee... One of these days when I eventually leave TGS (don't know how far off that is yet tho) I'm gonna have to find the time to catch up on all of your stuff. I think I left off on "The Breeding Season"...

John Travolta as an angel- "Michael" was an... Interesting movie. I like the twists it had at the end and the way some of the situations worked out, and Travolta being "not that kind of angel" was pretty interesting. But something about the movie just didn't click with me... I don't know what it is... Probably had something to do with the fact I haven't been able to see anything with Travolta since about 95 without me imagining himwith a large pie launcher...

Firestorm "Michael was MUCH better than Powder"... But thats not saying much is it?

Snow- Nasty stuff. Living in Texas I've only seen it twice in my life. Once when I was very yound and we got hit by a lot of it and it scared me... And once a few years back when I took a trip to the rockies and found out it wasn't quite the fun fluffy stuff television makes it out to be. Its really pretty nasty stuff, and I'd be happy to never be exposed to it again.

Aaron- Here's a match up for you... Cheetah from Gold Digger against all the Thundercats... Who wins?

**RP HERE**

Outside of the late Jim's Yellow submarine, Black Tiger and Mij are STILL training for the coming of the Ten. (Yes, they've been training like two months now, but thats because I've been busy and these nasties are that bad. But, its about to get more interesting, I promise!)

And as the two train, they spot a fireball in the sky, which comes hurtling down right into Jim's submarine, causing a large explosion of fireworks as the Beatles referance is destroyed. Smoke blows for several minutes and then clears, and Musoke Punzara Noying notices a pod.
"Oh geez... A pod. They ALWAYS come in pods." The pod door opens, and out steps a golden colored... Cyber Smurf.
"Ah spit."
(For those that don't remember the back story involved at this point, the Cybersmurf was destroyed, but the Phalanx found and assimilated a remaining piece of him, creating a new version that only had about 1/10 of the original's power. But before even that small ammount of strength could be tested against our heroes, THE TEN caught wind of this and took the evil Cyber Smurf clone away for reasons unknown.)

The small 3 inch creature stared at the two, made a basic reading of their power levels, and laughed.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, January 21, 2000 01:34:58 AM
IP: spider-we064.proxy.aol.com

***Kyryn comes in quietly***

I'm sorry to say that my grandmother-in-law passed away earlier this evening.

(crying) *hugs* to everyone and thanks for the shoulders to lean on.

Pardon the cussing, but there's no other way to say it:

She was a damn fine woman and it was an honor to know her.

**Kyryn leaves crying***
Kyryn
denton, TX
Friday, January 21, 2000 12:15:55 AM
IP: denm3-44.iglobal.net

Greetings Everyone

Coyote: You have my deepest sympathies. There are no words that I can give that can compensate for your loss but, as others have said, we're here for you.
Grandparents are a special lot. I only ever grew up with my grandmother and I have many a fond memory of our family together. Try to hold onto the good memories, keep them alive.
I've had to deal with alot of loss. I just lost an uncle last week and my grandmother is in the hospital after having a stroke. Hold onto the memories, and don't be affraid to ask for help when you need it. Believe me I have needed a shoulder to cry on from time to time.

Animals in Heaven:

**Starts whistling quietly and sneaks out the back door**

I am not going to touch this one.
Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, January 21, 2000 12:07:05 AM
IP: 216.95.225.101

Wilek: Thanks for the System Shock 2 cheats! I REALLY like the non-weapons degradation cheat! I didn't think the god mode worked until I decided to see what would happen when I let my health drop to zero and... NO DEATH! Coolies!
<CD Changer>
I HOPE I can do it. Why would I want a 200 disk CD-ROM changer? Um� because no one else has one? Hell, when I make it, I KNOW I will make it DVD!

Doug: <If a scene is written well, it's less likely to make people angry.>
I think that is probably the most likely explanation.

Gunjack: <my parents are going to cut off power to my room at midnight>
Ok� I'll byte. WHY?
<Has anybody heard from Ryan Stout lately?>
There seems to be a rash of missing posters here.

Gside: <"All Tech men wear batteries">
For that thing, "All Tech men carry 38KW generators" would fit better. But I like that quote! I'll have to remember it!

Xanathar: <you never know when your going to need that Rad suit again etc...>
You will need it later� but at a time when you cannot get back to the elevator.

Todd Jensen: I think that if the Gargoyles didn't show up to save Alex, I think that Xanatos would:
A. Say "You say that you guys protect. Why weren't you there to protect my son?!?"
B. Take out his frustration on having his child taken from him because he sees the Gargoyles as the root of all of his problems.

Coyote: Everyone here (Me, LM, her father and sister) all feel for you. You know how LM's family feel about a loss of a loved one, so if you need a little help, she and I are here for you.

Warpmind: Like all security software, there ARE backdoors in Novel. I don't know them, but I KNOW you can do a search on Novel Firewall Crack (or hack, whatever), and I am sure you can find something. I didn't search too long, but I saw a few items mentioning back doors and the like.

Robby: <but I think it violates the PG rating of the room... ANd it would make the text harder to read...>
Oh� all right. But what if I also made a version that had naked pictures of Jerrico for the ladies? <G>

Aaron: <But if we went with the naked Demona background, would anybody actually read the comments anyway?>
You definitely have a point there!

Lexy: <Do you think that animals go to heaven??>
I hope so. I want to see my Emmy again.

Ok, question:
In the city of Detroit, if a child is too truant (misses too much school) the parents can not only have fines brought against them, but they can also serve jail time. For kids that parents just cannot make their kids go to school, do you think that some of those parents will (abandon/give up/remove all legal responsibility) those kids?
I think so, because I know that there a just kids that no matter what you do, you just cannot make the kids go to school. The harder the parents try to make their kids go to school, the more those kids will avoid school. (Not all kids, I know)

SJ: I agree with Warpmind. Michael was not a bad movie. MUCH better than Powder.
<And to all the Mummy movie haters in the room...YES, they are planning a sequel.>
And that just proves that quality of plot is not a deciding factor in how successful a movie is.
And thanks for the Batman: Beyond news.

Kyryn: I like that story!

PET STORY!
I remember when I went camping with my family about 10 years ago, when we brought our dog with us. We stopped in a local tourist city to eat, and being the middle of summer, it was about 80 degrees out. We had to leave the dog in the car because we were going into a restaurant to eat. We opened all the windows a few inches (a mini-van) and left water in a dish for her. Well, I was so worried about my doggie that I wasn't even able to enjoy my food. I then went to make sure that she was ok, and decided to take her out of the van and gave her a little walk. Hey, even dogs should be able to enjoy a vacation, right?

Pistoff: Congrats on the new ISP. May this one last!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, January 21, 2000 12:03:51 AM
IP: t3-75.visitus.net

***BEGIN RP***
With a bloodcurdling battle cry, Regis Philbin fired his grenade launcher at SJ and Kari. The two young heroes barely had time to move out of the way as the wall behind them exploded into a million fragments of shrapnel and debris. Taking the aging game and talk show host's cue, Ally McBeal fired off several rounds from a shotgun, her weapon of choice. Before long, both SJ and Kari found themselves outgunned. They ducked behind some rubble from the battle to regroup themselves.
"I would rather not die *again*," SJ lamented. "But they both seem to have us pinned down. If one of them gets a clear shot at us--"
"I have a plan," Kari said. "I've been testing some of my powers as the Avatar of Athena." She explained. "And I've discovered a few....um, quirks."
"Like?"
"I can, for a short time anyway, make myself invulnerable. It only lasts a minute, and takes a lot of power--it'll knock me back into my regular form--but hopefully it'll be enough to disarm those too and level the playing field."
SJ nodded. "You got it. On the count of three. I'll cover you as best I can."
Kari began to glow, a bright gold-colored light engulfing her. Her skin began to shine. "Three!" SJ shouted, and he began to fire his captured assault rifle at the two villains. As they scrambled for cover, Kari bolted forward towards them. Bullets ricocheted off her form, and finally she reached the two evildoers. With a swing of her spear, she knocked the shotgun and grenade launcher out of their hands. Both stood weaponless, but after a few more seconds, Kari began to shimmer, and as the glow left her body, she reverted back to her normal self.
Ally turned towards her. "Not quite so Xena-ish now, are you, Amazon girl?"
"I don't need superpowers to kick your scrawny ass!" Kari replied, and flung herself at the waiflike tv character.
Regis felt a tap on his shoulder. "Normally, I'd be in for a good catfight," SJ said, pointing at the two brawling females. "But, well, *this* is more fun!" And with that, he introduced his fist to Regis' perfect teeth.
***PAUSE RP***

Well, at least D.C. wasn't totally shut down today...we got about 4 inches of snow. Still, schools were shut down (including my college. Whoo Hoo!!!), and basically all of the government was on liberal leave. But at least nobody abandoned their cars or resorted to cannibalism.

***ENTERTAINMENT NEWS!!!***
It's been announced that Tim Curry will play the main bad guy in the upcoming Charlie's Angel film. Too bad I have no desire to see this movie, cause I think he'd make a cool villain. Sort of like Dr. Evil.

And to all the Mummy movie haters in the room.....YES, they are planning a sequel. For Summer of 2001. Here's something else to piss you off--the movie has made about 400 MILLION worldwide (that's as much as The Phantom Menace!), placing it inside the top 35 movie money makers of all time.

Batman Beyond news!!! Some slight spoilers here--
Apparently, the folks over at Another Universe.com got to interview fan favorite Paul Dini about upcoming eps of Batman Beyond. He's stated that production has already begun on the 3rd season, as well as work is being done and completed before too long on the upcoming Batman Beyond made-for-video movie that will be coming out this fall. Also, he's in the running to write a *live-action* Batman Beyond movie.
Some insights into the show--he says that in future episodes, we'll be seeing other heroes in the Beyond universe. He's hinting that some of those heroes will either be members of the current day DC Comics superhero roster (he's already confirmed that Superman WILL make an appearance), or they'll be their future equivalents. He also dropped the hint that in the future, Terry will begin to grow a little more like Bruce; he'll begin to think of himself as Batman, instead of just as some kid playing Batman.

*****MAJOR SPOILERS FOR XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS--Who's her baby's daddy?*****
For those who care, it's finally been revealed who the father of Xena's baby is. Fans of the show know that Xena became pregnant at the beginning of this season (mainly as a way of working with the real-life pregnancy of Lucy Lawless). Well, this week's episode of Xena reveals all. Who's the father of the baby?
The shocking news--no one is (which, as an aside, sort of fits nicely into the whole lesbian "I don't need a man" thing). As fans will remember, Xena died last season and went to Heaven (well, sort of). When God sent her back, he wanted to make her "an innocent" again. Thus, HE made her pregnant. Why? Here's the real whammy of a revelation--her baby? It's Callisto, reincarnated. God gave Xena a beautiful bouncing baby Callisto; by caring for the child and loving her, Xena redeems herself from destroying Callisto's original life.
Kind of funky, huh? I can't wait to see this episode. I think it's kind of cool, actually. Nice twist to the plot, really, although the immaculate conception symbolism is a little shaky with me.
*****END SPOILERS****

Pistoff: Glad to here you've (hopefully) worked out your ISP problems. The CR has been unfortunately largely Pistoff free for the last few weeks, and that's something I wasn't too fond of. We all have missed your posts, and are glad you're glitch free for now. :)

Aaron: Oh, it's more than Richmond, my friend. We need to get rid of Juwan Howard too. And most of the management. And a hell of a lot of the players....frankly, we outta just start from scratch. Some fans are excited cause they think Michael may be able to get Grant Hill to sign on to the team.....keep dreaming. Even if he shows up, he can't save a sinking ship.

Simon: After checking out that site, I'm thinking of converting to the One True Religion ;)
BTW, hope you feel better soon. I know what it's like to live a life that can sometimes run over you.

Pets going to Heaven: Some good comments from everybody on this. But one thing I think I've observed--most people seem to be of the belief that animals will go to heaven. Yet the motivation for this belief seems to me that people just WANT animals to go to heaven. They like animals, so therefore they should go to heaven, right? I love my (fill in blank for type of pet), he/she/it is great, it must have a soul. I think this is sort of like that Dolphin vs. Tuna thing. People don't want the dolphins to die cause they're cute and smart and lovable. Screw the tuna. It reminds me of that old Dennis Leary routine. He says we seem to only care about saving the cute animals. His joke:
All the animals are lined up to determine who gets sent to the meat processing plant.
Man, to Otter: What are you?
Otter: I'm an otter.
Man: Oh yeah, what do you do?
Otter: I roll around in the water and do cute human things with my hands.
Man: Okay, you're spared. Next!
Cow: Moo. I'm a cow.
Man: Get on the truck! Get on the damn truck! Hamburgers for dinner!
Don't get me wrong, I love animals. I'd love for animals to be in Heaven. And I think there will be animals in Heaven, because, as a natural part of God's creation, they have a place there. I just think it's a worthy thing to point out--how much of our belief that animals will go to Heaven is influenced by our desire that they be there? People may believe pets will be in Heaven cause they love their pets and just want them to be there, regardless of matters of a soul or not. I'm not trying to flame here...Just a thought.

***RESUME RP***
Dyspare cautiously approached the battlezone. He eyed Sammael....or rather, the body Sammael was possessing...and sighed. He had to discretely get to Sammael and convince him to quit the fight....or if not--and Dyspare had a rather sick feeling in his stomach he would not give up the fighting--then the little demon would have to do his best to try and protect the demon spy.
Dyspare sighed. "I hate my life," he moaned to himself.
***END RP***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:10:14 PM
IP: 207-172-64-35.s35.tnt17.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Hey, guys. I'm having a really crappy night. **sigh** I know I have no right to complain�my life isn't that bad�but everything in the past week has come to a head. I got a new antidepressant perscription today... they're going to try me on it for a week and see what happens. o_O

Pets' souls: IMO, they don't have 'em. For me, it's not "maybe", it's not "I don't know", it's no. I will not debate this, because if I get into a religious discussion with anybody this week, I believe I may kill you. **weak smile**

Anyway, one of the many things that is f***ing with my head tonight is the link attached to my name. It came up during a random search for Garg-related stuff. It's funny as hell, so I go up a directory. It's the funniest site I've ever seen! This guy would so totally be at home here, with his wit and delicious sense of humour.

He died last November. Read his site anyway.

Simon
every day this week, God has done something to piss me off. trust me, it's not fun.
Thursday, January 20, 2000 09:45:35 PM
IP: pppa78.connect.ab.ca

David G> I might try, I'll see about hitching a ride with the ORAC crew for their trip out there.

BTW: Think you can get out to Bedford for Rocky Horror this weekend? Since Channel 8 is doing some kind of piece on the whole Rocy Cult phenomena, the cast is looking for as many people as possible...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Thursday, January 20, 2000 07:43:19 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-24.ultravision.net

Hi everyone, welcome all newcomers!

Coyote>>you have my deepest condolances- grandmothers are such special people, and I think that trying to publish her story is a great idea!

Sorrow>>hope your doing better, and I send you hugs - this too shall pass, so hang in there

Pistoff>>hooray! hope this one works out much better

Fleur>> congrats on getting online at home!

Kyryn>>loved the dog & man story

Worshipper1962>>welcome and out of curosity is 1962 a year or random # in your name?

this would not be a complete post without a joke soooo...

> >Oh the Power of TV.......
A mother was reading a book about animals to her 3 year old daughter:

Mother: "What does the cow say?"
Child: "Moo!"
Mother: "Great! What does the cat say?"
Child: "Meow."
Mother: "Oh, you're so smart! What does the frog say?"

And this wide-eyed little 3 yr. old looked up at her mother and replied,.....

"Bud, Wise, Er."

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Thursday, January 20, 2000 07:08:23 PM
IP: twin5935.magiclink.com

<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gotocatsplace/images/Cat.jpg">

*enters, raises her arms and yells*

Behold my power!!

*nothing happens*

Not again! Oh well, hello!

*runs back to her homepage*
Cat - [catk@buffymail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Thursday, January 20, 2000 06:55:41 PM
IP: ppp-164.m2-1.wsr.ican.net

Pist- yeah!

Jannie-- regarding oh,no!!!! I love birds!! I have not only two parakeets but a bird feeder! If you ever drop by here, I'll have to do some clever rearranging!
jenna
Thursday, January 20, 2000 05:49:58 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Pistoff> congrats!! YIPEEE!!!! *hugs tight* finally ;)

Animals in Heaven: I don't know. I would like to think that my Juanita would go to Heaven when she dies...and I would like to think that I will see my wonderful Pug, Willie when I die. I have a tendency to believe as someone else stated earlier, animals have spirits and not souls. The thing about this though - none of us will know until the time comes and then we won't be able to come back and tell if there are animals in Heaven or not ;) If animals do go to Heaven....ummm.. that would mean BIRDS are there too *shudders* I would NOT like that!! (have a bird-a-phobia)

*leaves the room while looking around and upwards for birds*
Jannie
Thursday, January 20, 2000 05:43:54 PM
IP: 168-171-197-27.academicplanet.com

Just a quick note for now...

Coyote: I'm so sorry for your loss. Words are never adequate for something like this, but know that we're all here for you. *hugs*

To all: I've finally switched to the new ISP. 8D I had some problems at first--hooked up and immediately got disconnected twice in a row...but the third time seems to have been the charm. I'll keep an eye on it for a while to make sure it's working okay, but so far so good. My new email addy is at the end of the post. ^_^

With the previous ISP, I had 56K access...this one is only 36.6K, but that's good enough for me. I've been holding back on email responses until the switchover was done, so now I can get to it...

Oh, and I've also finished Episode 1 of "Rising Sun"...I'll post it later tonight, after I've caught up on emails and responses here in the CR.

Later, all! :D
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Thursday, January 20, 2000 05:20:55 PM
IP: coosbay1-82.transport.com

Robby> But if we went with the naked Demona background, would anybody actually read the comments anyway?

Lexy> If I can't be reunited with my pets who've passed on, I don't wanna go to heaven. Hmmm, I think Valhalla takes pets.

SJ> You think D.C. can't handle snow? You got it easy. Texan drivers can't, as far as I can tell, drive down a flat, straight, highway in bright sunshine without having a wreck every half mile. And as for the Wizards, yes, they do suck, and I think MJ was out of his mind to buy into them, even as a third option, but they did beat *my* home team, who're supposed to be the frikkin' defending champions. And really, I can sum up the Wiz's problems in two words: Mitch Richmond. If you could ditch Mitch, and spend his money on some decent supporting players, the Wiz would get up to at least .500.

Kyryn> That was a beautiful story.

Stormy> Your fic is in my to read pile.

Hey Jenna! Howzit goin?

Later

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, January 20, 2000 04:26:23 PM
IP: ppp-179.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Hi everybody. I don't have a lot to say today, just a couple of quick comments.

Animal souls> I'm not sure. There, that was easy. If you rephrase the question to "will I find my beloved pet in Heaven when I get there?" then I think the answer is "Yes, if you need to find your beloved pet in Heaven in order for Heaven to be a paradise for you." God can do anything he wants, and will do everything we need.

Skippy> Do you think you'll make it to AggieCon this year? Terry Prattchet is on the guest list, and last year P.N. Elrod played Magentta in the Rocky Horror Show. Maybe she'll do it again. :)

Christine> A version of chapter 2 will be sent to you later today. If you can wait until the 25th, a better version will most likely follow.

On a side note, I strongly advise against getting bronchitis in the middle of a deadline.

See ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, January 20, 2000 04:22:51 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Been lurking for awhile, I just wanted to say Hiyas!
Samira
Thursday, January 20, 2000 04:14:38 PM
IP: 168.28.72.157

Warpmind> rivalry: My bad. I need to learn to fully explain my references. What I was getting at was that you had said that Norway traded friendly insults with a neighboring country which one I forget (probably Sweeden, by elimination). I was trying to say that the Force is on their side yesterday, so you shouldn't start anything.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, January 20, 2000 03:47:32 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

***Kyryn sneaks in***

Funny that you should bring this topic up, Lexy. A friend sent me this yesterday:

A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them.

After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight. When he was standing before it, he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother of
pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.

He and the dog walked toward the gate, and as he got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was close enough, he called out, "Excuse me, where are we?"

"This is heaven, sir," the man answered.

"Wow! Would you happen to have some water?" the man asked.

"Of course, sir. Come right in, and I'll have some ice water brought right up." The man gestured, and the gate began to open.

"Can my friend," gesturing toward his dog, "come in, too?" the traveler asked.

"I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets."

The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going. After another long walk, and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road which led through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence. As he approached
the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book.

"Excuse me!" he called to the reader. "Do you have any water?"

"Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there" The man pointed to a place that couldn't be seen from outside the gate. "Come on in."

"How about my friend here?" the traveler gestured to the dog.

"There should be a bowl by the pump."

They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveler filled the bowl and took a long drink himself, then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree waiting
for them.

"What do you call this place?" the traveler asked.

"This is heaven," was the answer.

"Well, that's confusing," the traveler said. "The man down the road said that was heaven, too."

"Oh, you mean the place with the gold streets and pearly gates? Nope.

That's hell."

"Doesn't it make you mad for them to use your name like that?"

"No. I can see how you might think so, but we're just happy that they screen out the folks who'll leave their best friends behind."

Later all!

**Kyryn sneaks back out to work***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, January 20, 2000 03:33:35 PM
IP: 207.115.148.178

animal having souls.--

Well the bible has gone through a lot of translations- from sanscrit, to latin, to old english, to new english, and needless to say, as with all of translating from one language to another, sometimes things are lost. One bible I have is translated directly from sanscrit, and it never ceases to amaze me how different some things are --I like the King James version, because of it's use of language, but the orginal translation is often diffrent. One diffrence I would like to point out for this arguement is a section of Genesis. When God creates life in the seas, the King James version goes like "and let us bring forth from the waters moving creatures that hath life." However, the orginal translation is diffrent it says, " Let us bring forth LIVING SOULS FROM THE WATER." Likewise, when land animals are created, in the orginal text it also talks about God making SOULS FLOURISH ON THE EARTH.

So there is no doubt that animals have souls, as that is the orginal translation. The soul was not seen as something being seperate from the body, but rather the force of life itself. The notion that the soul and body are diffrent and seperate entities actually came from Greece, and was a philsophy that caught on in Christendom later.
jenna
Thursday, January 20, 2000 03:29:38 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hello everyone! (Ifni runs around the CR hugging everyone she can grab)

Coyote: It must be really hard losing someone that close to you. Both of my grandmothers are still alive and theyve been in my life for as long as I can remember. I dread the day when they finally pass on. Hope you pull through this ok, bud. (big hug)

Worshipper: hehe! Welcome to our world!

SOROW: Ay. Stress sucks. A long hot shower usually calms me down. Somebody else in here also suggested soothing music. Lorena McKennit and Enya are two of my favorites.

Xanathur: I finally made it off the Ferarco and onto the next level. Thanks for the help, bro! Although I'll probably be begging for more help in a couple of days. (shy smile)

Animals in heaven: Well, I think that whatever Heaven is, whether it's being reunited with God or journeying to the center of a black hole or whatever, IMO animals should be there with us. I've done a lot of reading over the Internet and in books on supernatural phenomenon and I'm fascinated with the auras that some people claim surround all living things. Stephen King's book INSOMNIA was based on this premise. Apparently, some people (and scientists) believe that different colored auras surround living matter. Pwople, animals, even the tiniest of tiny bugs all supposedly have one. Whether this aura is some spiritual phenomenon, a biological phenomenon, or just wishful thinking is anyone's guess. But putting all this philosophical stuff aside, my opinion still stands that animals deserve a place in heaven.
I could ramble on and on about this stuff so I better end it here.

Cheers!
Infinity - [bethmg@nltc.net]
Thursday, January 20, 2000 01:48:58 PM
IP: nltc-57-101.nltc.net

I believe very firmly that animals go to heaven. Anyone who's been around animals enough knows that they have their own individual personalities that go beyond mere instinct or automatic behaviour. I don't think they could have such personality without souls, and if they have souls, (and I can't imagine animal souls being corrupted by evil because they have no concept of good or evil) they will return to their Creator in heaven.

In fact a lot of religions believe in animals having souls--Hindus, Native American religions, etc.
Stormy
Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:59:36 AM
IP: pc20.huron.uwo.ca

Well, little time to type, so I'll be brief with my replies.

Wilek: Thank you. Now that I've heard that WAV, I'm no longer so sure why I wanted to...

Lexy: Sure, animals can go to Heaven when they die. And most likely, in their section of Heaven, it's a "No Humans" zone.

Gside: I may have mentioned something about rivalry, but that must have been about the job as a scribe in Thanis. What these patron saints of Finland, Denmark and insanity have to do with that, I don't know... or was there supposed to be a blank line between those to comments? ;)

SJ: Don't worry; In "Michael", John Travolta was a very lovable angel, prone to drinking, smoking and fighting. The bar brawl scene was priceless...

Wilek again: The idea of Bill Gates actually having a daughter might actually grant new life to the debate of whether demons and humans can interbreed... Be afraid... be very afraid...

To all newcomers: Welcome. Say bye-bye to any notion you may have had of sanity right away...

Catch y'all later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:53:40 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Wilek> <<how many patron saints of insanity are there anyhow?>>: Well, according to http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/, there are 14.
alternate religions: What avout Discordianism?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:35:26 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Wilek Nereus > Hey! Thanks a lot for the welcome. ^_^
<<the asylum is always glad to have a new inmate! :D>> Couldn't have said it better myself! :)

Bye byes for now! ^_^
Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:09:53 AM
IP: 136.145.83.188

**re-enters, taking the mug from Stephen and taking a long drag off of it, approaching the center of the room**

Thank you all for your messages of condolence ... I'd also like to thank all of you who have personally written or have IM'ed me, as well, I don't think I could get a grip on this situation without all of you being here for me. **big group hugs**

Lexy: I'm glad you decided to post that question. My viewpoint on the issue of animals in Heaven is this ... I wholeheartedly believe that when my grandmother got to the gates at Heaven's entrance, she was greeted by two people: her husband (my grandfather who died in 1967) and our samoyed Sam from when we lived on Whidbey Island ... a dog who was loved by all of us. Grandma in particular ... she wrote a children's story shortly after his death where he was a talking dog. I'll have to find that story somewhere around here ... it's definitely publishable, it just needs a little cleaning up ... it's a very special story for me because the characters were all based on our little traveling family (me, my mom and grandma). **chuckles** I'd imagine that'd make her happy if I could get that story published for her.

**smiles through his tears** Thank you all. **leaves the room**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:55:22 AM
IP: zzz-209252248055.splitrock.net

Coyote> My sincere condolences.
Peter
Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:41:09 AM
IP: dial-174.ocis.net

AAron- hey, bud!! Congrads on getting your fic up!! ^_^

Lexy-- I'm sending you an em regarding your question...^_^
jenna
Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:15:04 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Hi all!!

Fleur:<<I'M ON-LINE AT HOME!!>>YAAYY!!!:),congratulations,I'll Email you after this post.(I can feel the insanity factor in the room rising already :) )

Worshipper1962:Welcome!

SOROW:WHAT!,we can't have the Happy Queen feeling stressed,Okay say after me "HUGBEES" :),And whatever you do don't take it literaly(Bee stings can ruin your day ;) ),and if that doesn't work,I'll just simply give you a Hug. *HUG* :),feeling better? :)

Wilek re Bill Gates:<<Hmmm...should the idea that he has a child surprise me or frighten me? :P>>I'll pick frighten me for 20 points and a free set of steak knives (J/K):) (Gotta' stock up on items for the Joyride >;) )

C'yas' later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Thursday, January 20, 2000 06:51:29 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

*Overjoyed screams are the only warning as Fleur bursts through the CR door, hugging innocent bystanders and trying to drag the lurkers into a happy dance*
I'M ON-LINE AT HOME!!
Yes, my two year long ambition, held back by lack of hard drive, lack of a phone cord and most of all, lack of money, has finally been fulfilled! YEA!!!
*takes a deep breath* Okay, I'm calm. Now all I have to do is figure out how the heck IM works. (Where computers are concerned, I am an idiot. :))

Coyote> *hugs* Everything I could say, I said in the email. I'm thinking of you, and your family.

I'm sorry this is so short, but I'm incredibly tired, so I'm going to drag my miserable butt into bed. More tomorrow.
TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 20, 2000 05:12:15 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

COYOTE>> You have my sympathy. Just remember that everyone here in the CR, from your closest friends, to the lurkers like myself, are all here for you if you need anything at all.
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Thursday, January 20, 2000 02:39:19 AM
IP: 98cf57f7.ipt.aol.com

**VIOLENT RP!**

[Somewhere in the corridors of the Avatar Of Ganon, the Spice Girls, having arrived on the Protoss battlecruiser with a bunch of other terrible actors and musicians, are vapidly wandering about the station, wondering what to do. Being inept at combat (among many other things), they've been ordered to instead sneak about sabotaging things. So far, they've smashed a few consoles and pulled out a few circuit boards; nothing that can't be repaired easily, but things that will annoy the repair crews. However, just as they round a corner...they run into the Administrator. Posh Spice: "Who the--?!" Scary Spice: "Ugliest chick I ever saw..." Baby Spice: "The whole Goth look is out you know." The Administrator arches one hairless eyebrow in annoyed amusement, then raises one hand as if to extend assimilation tentacles in their direction--then is interrupted by the arrival of the Daleks' new project, several in fact: bipedal xenomorphs with integrated head and chest armor, forearm-mounted Dalek disruptor guns, and Dalek eyestalks affixed to the fronts of their heads. The Dalek/xenomorph abominations fire upon the brainless rockers, reducing them to puddles of molten protoplasm. Administrator: "What...exactly...are you?" One of the xeno-Daleks responds, apparently possessing an implanted Dalek vocoder: "DALEK PROJECT THIRTEEN BETA: BIOMECHANICAL MOBILITY UNIT." Administrator: "Why was I not informed of this?" Xeno-Dalek: "OUTSIDE YOUR JURISDICTION." With that, the hideous xeno-Daleks stalk off to the hangar bay to assist their fellows in the massive battle taking place there...]

**PAUSE! (I forget whether the Spice Girls have been destroyed in the RP yet. If they have, feel free to replace them with whatever musicians you happen to hate in the above RP.)**

Warpmind> Check your e-mail. ^_^ <<it's not the rats leaving the ship idea that struck me most. It's the image of Bill Gates being asked "Daddy? What do you do at work?" "Um... honey, I... uh... *Think fast ot come out of this without becoming a major @$$hole in daughter's eyes* I'm... a fireman. That's right. i'm a fireman.">> Hmmm...should the idea that he has a child surprise me or frighten me? :P

Coyote> Grandmother> Oh...dear...gods...Sincerest condolences, my brother; this must be horrible for you...From the way you spoke of her in here, she sounded like a thoroughly wonderful person. :`(

Kyryn> <<Okami and I are right now steeling ourselves to the eventual loss of his grandmother. She is not in very good health and having mini-strokes.>> Not you as well! :( <hugZ>

SOROW> <<The school sent me home early today because I was hyperventilating. Apparently, all the stress about work, money, competition, SAT, school, and who knows what has all been building up to today. I woke up in a cold sweat, was shaking violently during practice, and began to hyperventilate after a nasty confrontation with a girl who upset me. Unfortunately, my bitchy assistant manager at work does not like me and is still making me work tonight.>> Dear gods...<hugZ> I have no idea how to help with this...except, perhaps...Simon's idea of slow and melodic music could help. Check out Calling From Heaven and Requiem For The Nameless Souls at http://surf.to/fmc (which seems to be down at the moment :/); I think they fit this category. :)

Skippy> Pat Robertson> Ack...I respect religion, and to see it so perverted by this *psychopath*...<shudder> We'd better take over the world before he does...

Alex Destine> <<Yeah, Cali was a bit off teretory. Sorry about that :)>> Hey, no problem; the asylum is always glad to have a new inmate! :D <<Am I welcome here too though? *cute little girl face*>> See above. ^_^

Lexy> <<Do you think that animals go to heaven??>> Interesting question. I like to think that they have whatever souls we give them. :) (That didn't make sense, did it?)

Gside> <<Once again, today is the feast of a saint of insanity, mental disorders, mental illness, and mentally ill people, this time it's Fillian.>> Fascinating...how many patron saints of insanity are there anyhow? :)

Worshipper 1962> Welcome! Give us your sanity, and enjoy the company of the mad...

SJ> <<I am going to tell you all the God's honest truth--WASHINGTON D.C. CAN NOT HANDLE SNOW. Case in point--we had a light dusting yesterday. It was all of 3/10ths of an inch. Three frickin' tenths. And traffic was backed up for HOURS. Children who were sent home early in buses? Didn't get home till ELEVEN FIFTEEN AT NIGHT. People around this area go completely stark raving mental when a goddamn snowflake falls. They think the world's gonna end. The worst part? People will abandon their cars. NOT on the side of the road. If it snows like, a couple inches, people will abandon their cars IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.>> O_O Man...I'm glad my area is used to a lot of snow; traffic may grind to a halt, but the populace doesn't go into an outright *panic*...<<Note to any potential conquerors of America--wanna take over the capital? Just do it in the middle of a blizzard, you'll have no resistance.>> I shall have to keep this in mind. hehe <<Never saw "Michael". Probably cause I have a sneaking suspicion that, if I ever saw Jon Travolta as an angel, I'd probably be tempted to convert to Satanism.>> There *is* the whole Scientology thing, which makes Travolta's role painfully ironic...Although I'd probably lean more toward the Cabal than Satanism. Tchernobog isn't *always* evil (one of his incarnations was a peaceful Buddhist monk, if I'm not mistaken), and they have the coolest language ever (Bibox cruo! hehe). ^_^

**RESUME (long, cathartic, and HIDEOUSLY VIOLENT AND DISGUSTING) RP!**

[A lone, scared Gungan roams the station, badly cut and bruised, one arm dangling uselessly in its dislocated socket. He practically leaps for joy, or he would if he weren't so badly hurt, when he encounters fellow Gungan Lieutenant Jespe. "Hi-dee! Mee-sa called Jar Jar Binks! Mee-sa so glad mee-sa find anudder Gungan; everybody been hitten mee-sa and crunchen mee-sa ever since meesa came here on dat ship with dat Leo guy--hee-sa annoying, you-sa know dat?" Jar Jar keeps babbling on and on, apparently failing to notice that Jespe is growing madder and madder with each and every word he says. Finally, when he realizes that Jespe is growling like a panther and baring his surgically sharpened teeth like a wolf, he interrupts himself: "Um...you-sa no liken mee-sa?" With that, Jespe yells, pushes Jar Jar down, puts one foot on Jar Jar's chest, and holds his machete to Jar Jar's throat. Jespe: "Do you know what you've done to me? What you've done to de entire Gungan race, thanks to dat movie of yours?! De people of Earth think we're a bunch of stupid bumbling misfits with no linguistic skills! Otoh Gunga is de laughing stock of de galaxy! Even Agent Rho would only hire me on a long term basis after I went through a week's probation! I had to PROVE to de MIB dat I could do dis job, even with my credentials! ALL! BECAUSE! OF! YOU!!!!" Jar Jar: "You-sa mad at mee-sa?" This pushes Jespe right over the edge. He savagely turns Jar Jar over, extends his machete's handle, Minbari fighting pike style, to its full five foot length, turning it into a Heretic 2 style blade/staff thing, and drives the blunt end into Jar-Jar's spine between his shoulder blades, shattering his spine and paralyzing him. Then he proceeds to shove the weapon blade first right up Jar Jar's <ahem>, all the way, until the blade comes out his mouth; when this is done, Jar Jar looks just like a pig on a spit. Jespe looks into the dying Jar Jar's pleading eyes, chuckles evilly, and says, "A little cannibalism never hurt anybody." With that, he slings the mangled Jar Jar over his shoulder and begins stalking back to his quarters.]

**END RP! (If Jar Jar's already been killed in the RP, we can assume this was a clone.)**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, January 20, 2000 02:30:11 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Just stopped by for a quick post before I go work graveyard. :(

Warpmind><<Or maybe just blast them with some heavy automatics>> Now there's an idea!;)

Coyote-I'm so sorry about your loss. It's hard I know.

Animals going to Heaven-Yeah I think they do. It would be arrogant to assume that only human beings have some sort of exclusive right to enter Heaven and everything else just disappears.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 20, 2000 01:48:59 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Well to answer Lezy's question regarding if i think animals are in heaven....of course they are....it says in the Bible that the lamb will lay down with the lion....so we know for sure that those type of animals will be there. My guess is that there will be lots of types of animals in heaven....haven't you ever heard of the Movie, "All Dogs Go to Heaven"....just teasing...i couldn't resist!!
Worshipper1962 - [Worshipper1962@aol.com]
West Bend, WI, USA
Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:14:52 AM
IP: spider-wm067.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP***
Kari and SJ rush to aid the Black Ravens. As they near their friends, they run right into the impromptu battle zone. Their initial happiness to see Doug up and fighting--and *not* wounded--melted into anxiety as they were almost hit by a few stray bullets.
"We gotta help them!" SJ shouted. "They're doing okay now, but the odds aren't exactly in favor of them either!"
"I'm on it!" Kari said. With a flash of light, she transformed into her Avatar of Athena form. Her armor glistened, and she held her spear close. "I'm ready!"
SJ rolled up his sleeves, spat in his hands, and rubbed them together. He kneeled down and picked up an assault rifle from one of the unconscious thugs that Puff Daddy had brought with him. He made sure it was loaded. He nodded to Kari. "Good to go, too."
Almost as soon as they entered the fray, however, they were knocked back by two shadowey individuals that appeared out of nowhere. One appeared to be a gaunt woman who looked like a human praying mantis, and the other a short, aging man with grey, curly hair. Both were armed to the teeth.
"Holy Gentle Jesus!" SJ shouted, pointing towards the woman. "As if Leo wasn't bad enough.....it's Ally McBeal!!!"
"Ally?" Kari screamed in disbelief.
"Yes! Her risque lifestyle and humorous exploits are loved by many....I for one think she's an annoying anorexic twit! But I never knew she was EVIL!!!"
"We have a more serious problem!" Kari shrieked. She pointed to the older man. "THAT is Regis Philbin!"
The game show host gave a psychotic smile, and leveled a grenade launcher at the heroic duo. He laughed maniacally. "No million for you, but I do have your final answer right here!"
***PAUSE RP***

Coyote: I'm not very good with condolences either, but am here for you, my friend. I, like so many others, have gone through the pain of losing a grandparent. I wish my grandmother....unfortunately the only one I ever got to know, as the others all died before I was born....was still alive. I'll pray for you, and your mother as well.

I'm not looking forward to tomorrow....they're predicting 3 to 5 inches of snow for tomorrow morning. This ordinarily shouldn't be a problem. Hell, you folks who live in the upper midwest or northeast probably think 3-5 inches is nothing. But I am going to tell you all the God's honest truth--WASHINGTON D.C. CAN NOT HANDLE SNOW. Case in point--we had a light dusting yesterday. It was all of 3/10ths of an inch. Three frickin' tenths. And traffic was backed up for HOURS. Children who were sent home early in buses? Didn't get home till ELEVEN FIFTEEN AT NIGHT. People around this area go completely stark raving mental when a goddamn snowflake falls. They think the world's gonna end. The worst part? People will abandon their cars. NOT on the side of the road. If it snows like, a couple inches, people will abandon their cars IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. Note to any potential conquerors of America--wanna take over the capital? Just do it in the middle of a blizzard, you'll have no resistance. I think I may just stay home tomorrow, so I don't have to deal with the moronic masses.

Another rant I have about this great city in which I live....if you haven't heard the news, Michael Jordan is now part owner of the Washington Wizards basketball team (which, on a side note, is the most godawful name ever for a team. We supposedly renamed the team the "Wizards" cause the name "Bullets" was "too violent". Yes, another casualty in the war of Political Correctness). The reason I'm pissed about this? Cause everyone in the town is as excited as all hell. It's like the Second Coming of Christ. Jesus is here, and his name is Jordan. Season tickets are flying out of the ticket booths, and Lord only knows how much the merchandisers made today. The point is--my hometown basketball team? The Wizards? THEY SUCK. A Hoover vacuum set on high can't hold a candle to them. Black holes have less suction than the Wizards basketball team. We're maybe the 3rd or 4th worst eam in ALL of the NBA. And now, on the day that Jordan announces he's part owner of the team, and that he's going to be involved in the administration, guess what happens? The Wizards lose tonight, big time. Washington is the greatest city in the world, I think, but it's also the most insane.

Travolta as an angel: Never saw "Michael". Probably cause I have a sneaking suspicion that, if I ever saw Jon Travolta as an angel, I'd probably be tempted to convert to Satanism.

Animals in Heaven: This is actually a rather age-old debate in the religious communities. I consider myself a Christian...maybe not a good one, but I did go to a Christian private school for a time, and I know some theology. From the Baptist perspective--
Animals will not go to heaven because they have no souls. They are God's creation, but were never created "In God's Image". You can take that for what you want, but it's generally believed that "In God's image" means mankind was created with a soul. Animals are soulless creatures. I suppose you could say they have a spirit.
[Side note: One school of thought in the Christian religion is that Man is composed of a Trinity, reminisicient of the Trinity of the Godhead. We are Body, Soul, and Spirit. The body is...the body. Animals have this. The Spirit is, I suppose you could say, our personality. Our "Id" and "Ego". We are thinking, feeling beings. Animals could be said to have this too. To a lesser extent than humans, but hey, look at your dog--he/she probably has a personality all its own. The Soul is that part of us which transcends both Body and Spirit. Perhaps it's your innermost self--"true" self, what you are when you let the masks you build up around yourself fall away. Your core self, beliefs, your morals and sense of being. It's largely intangible, and it endures long after everything else has fallen away. It's hard to describe the soul, but animals shouldn't have one]
A spirit is not enough, though, for entrance to heaven. So know, little Snowball the cat, the one who got run over by the mayor's drunken brother, won't be waiting for you up in Heaven. That's not to say that there won't be animals in heaven, though. I can't quote them off hand, but I do believe that there are references made to animals and "beasts" (not just the apocalyptic beasts seen in Revelations) existing in Heaven. My own personal belief--there will be animals in Heaven. Because they represent part of God's perfect creation. They won't be there because they have a soul, rather because they are part of the nature of God's creation. It's only fitting for God to include the creatures of his creation in Heaven. Plus I think the big guy likes them. (Another interesting thing to consider is that fact that there are those who do not consider angels to have souls--they are merely spiritual, supernatural entities. Therefore, if it's okay for them to be in Heaven, even though they don't have a soul, then why not animals?)
This is a rather interesting subject, because if one studies the Bible, one knows that Adam had a rather close relationship with the animals before the Fall of Man. Hell, there is enough there to speculate that certain animals were completely different before the fall. I'm talking biologically. Death had not yet entered the picture--no need for predatory creations. It is conceivable that, with the fall, relatively harmless large species of felines could have been transformed into ferocious lions and tigers. After the fall is when the animals first learned to fear man.

This is, of course, if you believe in the Bible to begin with, and take it somewhat literally (I take most of it to be fairly straight-forward and literal, but that's not the popular thing to do nowadays). Nowadays, with certain more extreme animal rights activists, to quote such an account would be considered horrific (you know, how dare someone say that animals have no souls). There are two good things to come out of the animal's story in Genesis, however--WE, mankind, screwed up nature, making the animals fear us, and also that, as a result of this, we should be responsible for them and take care of them. Even if you don't believe in the Christian faith, it is a rather good lesson to take from the Bible--attempt to become more harmonious with nature and to help aid animals, who we have unfortunately much maligned.

Geez, that wasn't too long-winded, huh? ;) I'm gonna go rest my aching fingers now...

***RESUME RP***
Dyspare, who was hiding in one of the sub-basements of the Avatar after his failed attempt to make Sammael remember his demon heritage, jumped in terror as the voice of his master suddenly erupted out of nowhere.
"DYSPARE!!!" Mephisto's disembodied voice shouted.
"Y--yyes, master?"
"Where are you? Where is Sammael? I heard he was about to engage in some sort of a fight?"
"I wouldn't know, sir, I--"
"What do you MEAN you don't know?"
"I...uh....I mean....um...."
"Listen, worm! Find Sammael, and protect him! I don't want my operative to die just because he's brainwashed himself into thinking he's some sort of hero!"
"Y...yes, sir! Right away!" And with that, Dyspare reluctantly went in search of SJ....
***END RP***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:51:37 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

*waves to worshipper* Hello! hope you enjoy your visit here:)
Lexy
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:48:05 PM
IP: abd1cff7.ipt.aol.com

Question: Has anybody heard from Ryan Stout lately? And if so, is he ever planning on completeing his series? So far, I've been in suspence for about three years, and it's about to kill me...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:48:00 PM
IP: 4.50.183.109

Hello....i am Chryblsm's MOM, this is my first time here
Worshipper1962 - [Worshipper1962@aol.com]
West Bend, WI, USA
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:45:21 PM
IP: spider-wm067.proxy.aol.com

Coyote > I am so sorry to hear of your loss! ::hug::

Gunjack > Sabledrake Magazine is a new monthly online 'zine that Tim and I just started; it is dedicated to gaming as well as fantasy/sci-fi. As we're devoted GURPS folk ourselves, we'd love any sort of GURPS-related articles.

Damien progress > augh! It's going to be a 3-parter for sure ... a real biggie ... you guys are going to _kill_ me ... oh, it's so fun to be evil! ::malicious chuckle::

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:18:26 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

ANIMALS GOING TO HEAVEN> If there is a heaven, I believe that animals go to it. I admit, I'm a dog person. I have four of them. All of them are muts I dragged of the street (well, three of them. One of them was my grandmother's and I took him in when she passed)... I love them. No second thought about it. I love them like family members. They sleep in my room, they are my protectors and my friends. I believe that dogs have a soul the same as humans.

Anyways, if you now think that I'm excentric, remember that excentric people are filthy rich. I'm not, therefore I'm just crazy...

Later all...
Alan "Ordell" - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:04:19 PM
IP: ppp-96.ode.cableone.net

Random (Shakespearian) thought: Did Xanatos woo Fox with his sword? (see MND I,1,16) (http://tech-two.mit.edu/Shakespeare/Comedy/midsummernightsdream/amidsummernightsdream.1.1.html)

Random news: Once again, today is the feast of a saint of insanity, mental disorders, mental illness, and mentally ill people, this time it's Fillian.
Warpmind> Watch out, for it is also the feasts of the patron saints of Denmark (Canute) and Finland (Henry of Uppsalla).
(You did say something about a rivalry or something, right?)

Coyote: Once again, and always, you have my condolences.

Nazdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:46:54 PM
IP: 165.230.28.138

Coyote> I've been trying to think of something to tell you all day, and I can't think of anything that doesn't seem hoplessly inadequate. I guess I'll just say this:

I feel great sorrow for you, and I'd take the burden of your grief if I could. I hope you'll remember that the pain you're feeling will pass with time, but the love you remember never will.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:39:24 PM
IP: 209.254.216.102

HEY EVERYONE!!!! *runs in with chibi-lex in her arms*
*lex waves a chubby lil olive hand to everyone* Oh, Coyote..Chibi-lex
wanted to give you a hug *lets lil lex down* *watches him teater
over to Coyote and give his legs a big hug as its all he can reach*
{I sorry Kiotee! *hugs*} *picks up lil chibi-lex*

Alright, I have a Question.

Do you think that animals go to heaven??

I could get into this in the extream..but since I did that in
my last post I will make this breif. Animals were supposedly
created for us. For companions. When we were condemed to Earth
they became more a food sorce and work parnter. Later on, when
machines came in and took their place in most feilds, they
reverted back to friends, and then became domesticated. (dogs and cats
and such..not big ol animals) Anyway, the point is. Too a lot of
ppl animals can be just like ppl. I know..I had a cat die a few months
ago. His name was Zacharia or just Zach. He was..well I wont try to
describe him..it would never convey with the power I would wish it would
but the point is, he ment a lot to us as a family we all felt his
loss. I still cry for him. After Zach died I bagan to think about
the topic of animals in heaven. I mean..it didnt seem nearly as hard
to deal with his loss if I had the possibility of seeing him again.
Well, I did some resurch and it seems more or less 50 50. Some ppl are
very 'matter O fact' about it. Like a parent trying to tell a kid that
Santa dosnt really exsit..OPS!! *hopes she didnt alarm anyone there*
Those ppl say basically that, animals dont have a soul and arent as
important We are Gods ppl, they are just animals. And so therefore,
it is just a happy thought but not so.
Others say that while animals dont have souls like we do, they do have
spirits. And in any event, they are important to a lot of ppl. They are
important parts of God's creation. Both groups can site parts of the Bible
that can support what they say. But thats common.
If you ask me. It makes perfect sense there isnt anything on it in the
Bible. I mean..God's gotta get all this info out to us, hes not gonna
jam in a few sections on animals and dinosaures. Man, those guys had
enough stuff on their hands. But IMO why would God creat so much and
then just be like, "O.k..the worlds done with..hmm what do I do
with all these trees? And these animals? Oh well, I can always create
more:P" Come on. Certainly animals dont play a huge role in this.
They dont have a judgment day like we do. I understand that one. But
I personally think that there could be animals in heaven. Now..ofcourse
that could go into a lot of topics. Like are things physical to us there
like things are here? Are there things per say? I AM NOT going to get
into that one..if someone else wants to go there..go for it. But I am
just saying that..all things are possible with God. And heaven is
eternal happiness, the happiness part coming from being reunited with God,
not having the biggest boom box ever or a world made out of your
favorite flavor of Icecream. But we do beileve (sp) that we will be
able to reckognize ppl we knew on Earth. That much I think so too.
And if we can reckognize ppl..why not animals? I kinda tend to
think Heaven may be somewhat like what we thought Eden was as far as
the nature aspect. The beautiful trees..and the animals all together
Ie: the Lion laying down with the lamb and all. I mean.. I dont have
a picture of Heaven..I dont think of it physically cuz I dont see it
at all that way. But. I do think that if we can see important ppl we loved
from Earth why not the animals that ment a lot to us?

Well, obviously this is all a matter of opinion..none of this can be
proven or disproven for sure. But I think that there are animals in heaven.

What do you guys think?? *cradles lil chibi-lex in her arms as he is
just as calm as she is*

*hugs Coyote again*
*glides out*
Lexy with Chibi-Lex :) - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:35:58 PM
IP: 171.209.207.247

DOUG: Thank you for your commentary. It's people like you who make me put down the comicbooks and HTML code the next piece to post. :-) I'd say I'll be able to dig something else out by February...

COYOTE: I will pray for your family and you and your grandmother. My condolences.
Stormy
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 09:56:28 PM
IP: dynixpc4.huron.uwo.ca

Coyote: *holds him tight* Despite the different views your grandmother and I had for one another, she still holds a special place deep in my heart, as if she was my grandmother. We'd prepared for years for my grandmother knowing that she may not survive for another Christmas... then one day as she went to sleep on a beautiful evening in August of 1996 and never woke up. It hit us extremely hard... we prepared for it, but it felt it like was too soon for us, she was only 82. At least they are no longer suffering in this world. Hang in there sweetie... I am here for you as well as Mara and everyone else in this room. *Hugs him and begins to cry with him*

*Lights a candle under the cross of Christ. "In Memory of Edna Grace Webb, who passed away at 230 AM, Wednesday, January 19th, 2000 at the age of 80. We love you and will miss you."*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 09:28:30 PM
IP: spider-wn081.proxy.aol.com

Coyote- *gives you big hugs* I will prey for you and your mother dear. :(
Lexy
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 09:24:41 PM
IP: abd1cff7.ipt.aol.com

Aaron- Had my weekly meeting at Antarctic Press. AMong other things I learned, Ninja High School v.2 will probably end with issue 12 (and remerge with the original series), and I got to read Legacy 2 and Gold Digger 7. Legacy is incredible and leaves me VERY displeased that it only comes out quarterly, and GD is another half issue story. (Meaning that the story needs to be 32 pages, cause Fred was just getting warmed up when the issue ended. The 2 page backup story didn't help matters any...) But just wait until you find out what Fauntleroy REALLY is... (Ryan wasn't lying, he AIN'T human...)

Coyote- Condolances man.

Firestorm- A naked picture of Demona in the background is fine by me, but I think it violates the PG rating of the room... ANd it would make the text harder to read...
Robby
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 09:15:49 PM
IP: spider-te064.proxy.aol.com

Don <HUGS> It is so hard to lose one of the main influences in your life. I have no doubt that your grandmother encouraged you in your music, art and story writing. I know the lose is felt keenly by both you and your mother. You have a hole in your life that will never be filled. All I can say is don't hesitate to share her life with you, with us your friends. I am still praying for her and you and your mother.

Starsinger
Anonymous
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 09:05:18 PM
IP: proxy-553.public.rwc.webtv.net

Coyote> I'm sorry about your Grandmother, I know what it is like to lose a Grandparent that has such an impact in your upbringing. You and your family are in my prayers. *hugs*
Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 08:33:01 PM
IP: spider-wj011.proxy.aol.com

Coyote>My condolences.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 08:22:56 PM
IP: genv-124ppp93.epix.net

Coyote:My condolences for the loss of your grandmother,we know how much she meant to you*Hug* :(

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 07:50:09 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

SOROW> You need to calm down? Try listening to music: either your favourite album or something slow and melodic. If that doesn't work, get someone to give you a back rub. :-) Works for me.

** another hug for Coyote **
Simon
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 06:54:38 PM
IP: pppa92.connect.ab.ca

Hello to all.

Caliope > you're lost honey! :P Way lost! :)

Wilek Nereus > Yeah, Cali was a bit off teretory. Sorry about that :) (Am I welcome here too though? *cute little girl face*) teehee!

Coyote > I'm deeply sorry. :(
I cannot think of anything to say to make it better. Just remember that you're not alone, alright?

Alex Destine
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 06:51:25 PM
IP: proxy.coqui.net

SJ> Actually,I have nothing against the Republicans, it's just the Religious Riech I have a prob with. They way they have taken over the GOP is just scary, especially with Pat Roberston giving the marching orders. His close association with facist dictators in Africa and his newly buddy-buddy mode with the Chinsese is grounds for a lot of concern. Just check out my name link...
Skippy The Klingon
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 06:34:34 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-45.ultravision.net

[Me walks over to Don, passes him a mug of hot chocolate mixed with a fortifier of cherry brandy, then sits him down on the couch near the CR Tea Table...]

Bud, my prayers and condolences go out to you and your mom... I guess nothing can be said to make up for the loss of your Gramma, but (God willing) she's beyond the pain she suffered in life and is at peace.

Take a good pull on that mug, Don... I don't recommend drink to ease the pain, but it helps soothe the throat after a good cry.

Also, never forget all that Gramma did for you: it's the memories of all the good times (and the bad) that helped me out when my Dad passed on... I hope that the same will help you.

<Gives Don a big hug> Maintain and Check Six, Brudda!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 06:31:59 PM
IP: m166.ieway.com

COYOTE - I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother's passing. My condolences to you, as one whose own grandparents have all passed on already.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 06:28:42 PM
IP: 216.87.46.113.dialup-stl.primary.net

Coyote: Words can't express the pain we feel over your loss. Your grandmother has our deepest prayers, and so do you and the rest of your family. Hope things go well for her, wherever she is now, and for you as well. <hugs> If you need any help in this situation, just drop us a line.

SOROW: Sorry to hear you're stressed out too. Again, please let Kit and me know if there's anything we can do to help. For now, remember we're here for you, and do your best to bear the trials. We'll be rooting for you as your friends all the way. :)

More later.
Doug & Kit
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 06:10:52 PM
IP: pool-207-205-147-57.dlls.grid.net

Hello everyone. I bet you're wondering why I'm posting so early, since I only post at night? Well, that's an interesting story. The school sent me home early today because I was hyperventilating. Apparently, all the stress about work, money, competition, SAT, school, and who knows what has all been building up to today. I woke up in a cold sweat, was shaking violently during practice, and began to hyperventilate after a nasty confrontation with a girl who upset me. Unfortunately, my bitchy assistant manager at work does not like me and is still making me work tonight. In other words, I really need everyone's help to calm me down over the next few weeks so I don't spaz out again. *sigh*

Coyote> Nothing I can say will probably help cause I'm awkward at this, but you have friends here who love you. *hugs*
SOROW
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 05:28:33 PM
IP: dll2a030-0736.splitrock.net

Coyote> our deepest sympathies and heartfelt condolences. We are saddened to hear of your loss. *hugs gently*
Denis and Jannie
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 05:25:00 PM
IP: 196-217.c.esc4.net

Coyote - My condolences, for what they're worth...:( All of you will be in my prayers....
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 04:01:53 PM
IP: 4.49.131.193

** Simon walks in, and without saying anything, goes over to Coyote and gives him a big hug. **

I know there's nothing we can say... but we're here. You know we're here.
Simon
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 02:55:39 PM
IP: pppa121.connect.ab.ca

Aaron staggers into the CR, followed by Hyena-chan, who's riding on one of Aaron's pet jackals.

Aaron snaps his fingers and a big plush purple and green couch, which looks to be made of the hide of a certain children's television star, appears. Aaron collapses onto it gratefully.

Wonderful trick. If I ever see Dumlao X again, I'll have to thank him.

Anyway, after all this time, I've finally got my first fic put up.

**************This has been a shameless plug**************

Aaron tosses Toku and David G. each a shirt bearing the words Elf: The other white meat.

Doug> Shouldn't McConghey (sp) be at home playing the bongos in his birthday suit instead of running around attacking people? ;)

Coyote> There are times when words are inadequate. This is one of them. Nevertheless, I am deeply sorry.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 02:49:11 PM
IP: ppp-100.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Well, I'm on a break before I head home, so I figured I could check in here, since the IRC port on the LAN server is closed again. Anybody here got an idea as for how to bust out through a Novell Firewall? I want unhindered Internet access, but the firewall keeps me away from the most elementary requirements, like ICQ, FTP et cetera. This is getting frustrating, and I want either a hack to get out, or a very heavy sledge to reconfigure the LAN server itself...

On to the important bit: replies.

Gside: *Sigh* I suppose it does. If college life is anything like what I gather to be the equivalient educational level in Norway, you have a lot more lenient system, though.

*Warpmind and Maggie-chan zip over to Coyote, trying to comfort him.*
I'm here for ya. Need a shoulder to cry on? I have two available. *Maggie-chan thwaps Warpmind on his forehead.* Sorry, make that *one* available shoulder. Anyway, and I'm sure I've got the entire CR with me on this, we're here for ya, bro! You live through this, y'hear?

Well, that's about it. See ya later, all you hunamoid critters, right?
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 01:59:34 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Coyote- my thoughts and prayers are with you.
jenna
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 01:56:34 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Coyote> I'm sorry. My own grandparents, while dear to me, weren't really part of the rearing process. So it is probably very much like losing a parent for you right now. Be strong.
Pogo
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 01:51:30 PM
IP: fwnt.dw.dorseylaw.com

***Kyryn enters slowly***

Coyote> My deepest condolences and all my prayers go out to you and your family. Okami and I are right now steeling ourselves to the eventual loss of his grandmother. She is not in very good health and having mini-strokes. I remember from your posts what a staunch force your grandmother must have been in your life. ***HUGS**** from someone who understands.

***Kyryn leaves quietly****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:50:35 PM
IP: 207.115.148.178

Gunjack: <<What's this I keep hearing about an Aliens 5 script? I got knocked out last time everyone was passing these out...>> It's a screenplay I was thinking about writing. So far I've only made a basic outline. It reprises Bishop And Hudson and explanes what happened between ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESERRECTION.

Coyote The Bando: I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother. You have my condolances.
Tim P.
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:39:26 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Coyote> My condolences.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:10:31 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

**enters solemnly, dressed fully in black, eyes closed**

I'm sorry to not come here more cheerfully ... I wish I didn't have to give this news. Yesterday afternoon, my grandmother ... my last remaining grandparent ... had a heart attack in my aunt's car (she was taking grandma to her house for the day). 911 was called, and EMS came and took her to the closest hospital.

**sniff** But it was too late. Apparently, she suffered brain damage from lack of oxygen ... and the EMS techs intubated her, which accidentally damaged her breathing passage (a commonality among short-necked people, we've been told) ...

**sniffs, tears begin falling** She passed away at 2:30 this morning. And I've never felt so much sorrow. She was one of the guiding forces of my childhood, always there when I needed her, even when Mom had to be away from me. I'm a much better man for having had her so close to me in my life, to guide me through good times and bad. Her passing creates a void ... one I'll never be able to fill ... no matter how much I try ...

**voice becomes a weak whisper** We'll make it through, me and Mom ... we always do. Just do me a favor, guys ... please ... please pray for her.

**breaks down, turning and leaving the room before he can start crying uncontrollably**
coyote the bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:07:28 PM
IP: zzz-209252248201.splitrock.net

Oops. I got the scanned picure, but forgot to ftp it. It's there now, with the proper chmod setting.

Warpmind> <<the edge of acceptability>>: Doesn't that pritty much define all of college life?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:25:19 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

*Warpmind and Maggie-chan enter, looking rather smug.*
Hi, guys. We just completed the game "Companions of Xanth" again.

Wilek: Yep, tried just about everything; just clicking, shift-clicking (Netscape user!), right-clicking to open in another window, drag&drop to the NetVampire Drop Basket (dedicated download program), you name it. I've just about given up... What the heck; think you can mail it to me? ;) And as for the DC homepage.... ROTFLMAO!

Gside: Those posters are what I would classify as "the edge of acceptability". Of course, from where i'm standing, that edge is quite spacious. ;)

Jewel: That list of reasons for Bill Gates to resign... marvellous. And probably several of them are too close to the truth, too...

Wilek again: The reason why Bill Gates quit? I dunno, it's not the rats leaving the ship idea that struck me most. It's the image of Bill Gates being asked "Daddy? What do you do at work?" "Um... honey, I... uh... *Think fast ot come out of this without becoming a major @$$hole in daughter's eyes* I'm... a fireman. That's right. i'm a fireman."

Doug: Agreed. Let "Michael" stay up as a good one-timer. We all know what happened to the "Look who's talking" movies...

Gunjack Valentine: The Quote: Too true, buddy. Too true. And what Sabledrake magazine is? Well, if you once in a while followed Christine's name link, you'd know... RPG/Sci-Fi/Fantasy-based online magazine. Recommended.

*Warpmind and Maggie-chan high-five with Jaden.* Way ta go. Acting like someone you're not just to avoid being bothered is a Bad Thing. Particularly if you've got the ability to ignore the annoying ones. Or maybe just blast them with some heavy automatics.

Well, time to saunter out and check out what the Callahanians are doing. Catch ya later, folks.
*Warpmind and Maggie-chan head out, waving to everyone.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:35:56 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Aaron- something came up and I couldn't get your story up- however, it will be put up today-- mike is cracking on it right now-- sorry for the delay buddy.
jenna
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:20:21 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

* BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS *

I very much liked both episodes last night. Spike's development was a delight, both in his suicidal moods and in his exhilaration at discovering that he can fight demons and monsters (which, in particular, gave him a very convincing motivation for joining Buffy's "Scooby Gang" - it's not that he cares about protecting the innocents out there from the monsters, but rather that the monsters are the only ones that he can beat up), and they did some good further development with Buffy and Riley. (So Faith is still in that coma - meaning that the Council still doesn't have a new Watcher to replace her or Buffy. And, since it seems by now that they aren't behind the "campus commandos", it makes you wonder just what the Council is doing then).

Good development in "Angel" as well, with Kate finding out his true nature, and Penn's role. (I wonder if he was related to the man who founded Pennsylvania - although maybe not, since that Penn was a Quaker rather than a Puritan). And Wesley is becoming a bit more fun, too.

The episodes next week - Giles becoming a demon and Cordelia becoming pregnant with demon twins - should also be good to see.

* SPOILERS END *

It's fair to point out that some of that faerie havoc does have some good results at times. Take Oberon and Titania's attempt to kidnap Alexander. While what they were doing was wrong, in a way, it actually saved the clan's lives later on. Think about it for a moment. What caused Xanatos to end his feud with the clan was the fact that they came to his aid against Oberon, and that Goliath was the one who provided a means for letting the Xanatoses keep Alex. Without Oberon and Titania's attempt, Xanatos and the gargs would still have been enemies come "Hunter's Moon", and that would mean one of two dire results at the end, when the gargoyles were trapped at St. Damien's by the Gargoyle Task Force:

1. Xanatos doesn't show up to rescue them, and the gargoyles are captured, to be either locked up for the rest of their lives as lab experiments or destroyed to satisfy a frightened mob of citizens crying out for revenge.

2. Xanatos does show up to rescue them, but on his terms, meaning that now the gargoyles have to become his flunkeys in order to be sheltered by him.

Neither alternative strikes me as a very good one. But Xanatos rescued them and gave them a new home without any strings attached, because of the events in "The Gathering". So Oberon and Titania accomplished a little good in attempting to steal Alex, although I don't know if that's what they intended. (I certainly don't think that Oberon intended it; with Titania, however, who knows?)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 08:22:10 AM
IP: 216.87.46.167.dialup-stl.primary.net

Hi all!!

Fire Storm re SS2 ghosts:<<Oh yeah. Those two are definately some of the best. But I also like the cafeteria scene. Thats a pretty good one too.>>Oh yes,the cafeteria scene was good,escpecially seeing since it's a distraction,one of those maintainace bot creeps up behind you while you watching the ghosts(same with that woman in recreation whose listening to the piano playing at the bar)<<I was Navy too, but there are at least 2 Black Ops skills I reccomend to everyone: Tier 3 "Enhanced Motion Sensitivity" and Tier 4 "Photonic Redirection". Up to the last (well, the Many) level, I really only used the motion sensor, but when I couldn't fight my past all of the bad guys at the very end, I found it became really easy when you just used "Photonic Redirection" (Stealth mode) you could run it, blast some bad guys, cloak again, move, lather, rinse, repeat.>>thanks for the tip :)<<So, since you were a Navy boy, what weapons did you use?>>I maxed out standard weapons(the Assault rifle is THE best gun in the game*IMO*(Especially with the dead-eye shot Os-upgrade),I also maxed out energy weapons(cyborg Assassins don't have a chance against an Emp rifle,also I ditch the wrench and grab the Laser Rapierand lastly I put one skill into heavy weapons so that I can use the Grenade launcher(Useful weapon with a lot of options and a cool reload sound:) )<<did you find any real use for the Speed Booster hypo or just about any of the cyber modules (Strength boost, Lab Assistant, etc)?>>Yes,I had about three strengh boosters early in the game(Power runs out,slot in another repeat...)and a lab assist,as for the speed boost hypos,all I used them for was quick cash(ie I dumped them in the recycler for more nanites),here's a tip for space saving,once you get the main lift online dump all your spare stuff in it,the lift sort of becomes a mobile storeroom(you never know when your going to need that Rad suit again etc...)

jewel re Real Reasons Bill Gates Quit:LOL!!:)

Johnny Miller:<<So how do you pronounce Theresites? TheereSights, TheereCities? Like that dude, So-Crates. Like sand through the hourglass... Most Excellent, dude!>>I pronounce it TheereCities.

Wilek:<<It turns out that www.cheatcc.com's SS2 section was updated since I was last there. :D (Adding the entries undead and gun_degrade_rate 0 to the user.cfg will give invincibility and unbreakable weapons. 8) )>>The multiplayer patch allows you to tweak with the games monster respawn rates and weapon degradation.(although I haven't really played around with it yet)

C'yas'later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 07:23:25 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

****BEGIN RP!!!!****
"Well, this battle really isn't that interesting." Jaden says about to leave. Suddenly, one of Leo's dying fans ends up throwing-up his lunch all of the werewolf before dying. "That was a big mistake!" Jaden grabs his axe and joins the battle.
****END RP!!!****

Warpmind- I know I used to try and be normal so I wouldn't get teased or called names. But once I realized that everyone is different, trying to be anyone other than what I wanted to be seemed to laughable.

Wilek><<Of course, there are very few people I want to act very much like anyhow.>> Same here. Certain people may inspire me in one way or another, but I'm not going to start acting like them or turn myself into a 'carbon copy' of them just to get them to like me.

Doug-Leo is all yours. Good luck with your classes. You seem to be taking a few history classes. I have a kind of interest in history too.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 02:06:50 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

New to my directory: a picture of the amazing Can Tower, before destruction.

Fire Storm> <>: That's why I said "good enough battery."
"All Tech men wear batteries" - quote after failed MIT hack of Hahvahd/Yale football halftime.
<<you don't have>>: It's not up to me, they're all my roomie's. It just depends when he finds them or his AOL mailing list sends them (on an ethernet he is getting ~2K/s).

Mr. Miller> Thersites (spelling accorging to pantheon.org): I always thought it was "thir sit ees".

Sev. Jr.> <<she's the hottest nerd I've ever seen>>: According to the Jargon Node (http://www.wins.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/), being a nerd has no connotations of physical appearance. I personally bear the term with pride, although I do not have any illusions as to any beauty I may possess (I need my pocket protector).

Random odd question: Are there any true natural dichotomies? Trichotomies? Etc.?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@edeen.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 01:02:03 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Just a quick note, as my parents are going to cut off power to my room at midnight...:P

Jewell - Thanks for the link!:D Love your stuff!

Christine><<hey, when you get your GURPS hardware finished, how about writing it up as an article for Sabledrake? ; )>> Why not? And here I thought you didn't like guns...:)
I've heard you mention it several times before, but what exactly is Sabledrake? Also, I'll probably never "finish" with my designs... It's a continueing effort thingy.:) Anyway, if you need some good guns, I've got a few...

Ooo, 25 minights until the big blackout... Real post & replies tomorrow...

Quote for the day - "There is no problem, large or small, that cannot be solved by a properly sized, fused and placed charge of high explosive."
Gunjack Valentine
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:40:42 AM
IP: 4.49.130.242

**RP HERE, LONG AND VIOLENT. :)**

In the Avatar of Ganon's hangar, the Black Ravens and Wilek's forces are engaging the screaming fans and groupies of Leonardo diCaprio and several other Hollywood celebrities who don't deserve their fame. So far, the latest enemy is gaining ground against them, mostly because the good guys are outnumbered and outgunned. The Ravens and Avatar forces, however, are able to strike back with better martial skills once they get in the appropriate cover with their weapons ready and soon the enemy is taking much heavier casualties than they've dealt. Soon after they are forced into a firefight going against them in the middle of the hangar, unable to make it to anywhere else in the station. "Fight!" Leo shouts at them as he is surrounded by his entourage (who, btw, can't believe what is going on around them but are nevertheless continuing to participate in it out of insane loyalty to their boss). "Kill them all, but remember, Elder and Telman are paramount! Find them!" "That's right, my fellow gangstas!" Puff Daddy raps in agreement. "Find them and massacre them! They are your foes!" The other rappers near him chant better lyrics and the fans scream, continuing their attack as the band plays on and the Ravens fight back. Meanwhile, behind a cargo container Kit unbuttons Doug's collar and is about to start applying CPR to his chest when she feels something wrong with it. Doug immediately looks up and grins as she glares at him. "Bulletproof vest," he chuckles. "Never leave home without one." "Do not do that to me," Kit growls, then hugs him in relief. "You had me so worried." "Sorry," Doug apologizes as he hugs her back. "For the record, I was stunned. Shall we kick some butt?" Kit releases him, nods, and draws her laser. "Let's." Doug draws his own weapon and they begin firing over the container's top, joining the battle. "Guys!" Gubio shouts from nearby as he sees them doing so. "These people are just misguided idiots! Let's try to go nonlethal on them, okay?" Doug frowns. "Considering pretty much all our enemies are misguided idiots, I don't see that being a good reason to spare them." "Yeah," Kit says. "Besides, they're trying to kill us here! Self-defense!" "But..." Gubio begins. Erin taps him on the shoulder. "They're all old and smart enough to throw their futures away for the cause of those idiots leading them," she declares. "Therefore they're also old and smart enough to face the full consequences." Gubio frowns for a minute, then nods. "Okay, you're right. I just hope we don't have to fight people like them ever again." Sighing heavily, he slams a new clip into his pistol and turns back to the fight, trying as much as possible to help his side thin out the enemy's ranks.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Well, the first day of school has ended, and nothing bad has happened. Either it's not going to, or it hasn't yet. Both prospects somewhat worry me. Oh well, I shouldn't be concerned. Worrying will only make the bad things worse when they finally come, right? :) For anyone who's interested, the first day of school for Kit and me went just fine. My Russian History class has a boring professor but very good texts; and the other course I had today (Criminal Justice) has a lot of students, a very detailed textbook, and a professor who's an okay guy but also an SOB (explanation- he's one of those by-the-book kind of people who you understand but hate as well precisely because he has chosen to not take any of the bs deals students have given him about raising grades that are a few points short of a higher mark, making up exams, missing classes, etc. Natural for a college student to be unnerved by a professor like this. But being a righteous and sympathetic person, and knowing that the professor in question's very experienced in and knowledgable about teaching his subject, I can also understand and like him nonetheless. Interesting dichotomy, no? :). Have three more classes tomorrow, I know one of them should be very interesting in terms of professor and texts due to a friend's recommendation (the course is German History during the Hitler era), not sure about the other two yet. Will let you know about them later in the week, and also let Kit tell you about her courses when she posts Thursday. For now, on to reviews and replies.

Fanfic Progress: Almost done with Dormant, currently about one scene away from the big battle between good and evil with which I end every fic I write. About four or five scenes are left to fully finish the story, so it should be done by next week. Just in time for the Super Bowl. :) If anyone's wondering, the story is currently at 42 pages and counting, it won't be as big as the last one but I hope it will still be somewhat just as good. :)

Jannie: Glad your daughter came to see you, even if it was for somewhat wrong reasons. Congrats on handling the situation like a good parent would IMHO, hope she soon decides to wise up about her relationship with you. Until it happens, also hope you'll keep the faith, and remember who your friends are. <hugs> And don't worry about the ramblings, we have no problem with them here. Like you, we just pray the situation resolves itself someday soon. :) Thanks for the Clinton quote list, I too wish we had paid more attention to some of them during the man's election. <sigh> At least this is his last year. Please, God, may the next President not be worse.

Slash: Thanks for bringing up this wonderful topic, Jewel. It is so appropriate for this room. :) Not! Honestly, people, can we please stop talking about this kind of thing now? Nobody cared about it before it was brought up, and I don't think anyone will miss it if it goes away. I'm not going to go into the reasons why we should end it, we all know them (thanks to Heather for bringing most of them up). So, please, let's return the room to the friendly and wholesome place it was before this slash thing started. Our younger lurkers' parents will think better of us for it. :)

Brooklyn: You liked Wizard's First Rule too, huh? I've read that book a couple times myself, I agree it's good. Not had the time or inclination to check out the sequels, but I bet they're just as good. Hope you enjoy them, no matter how long it takes to get through all. :)

Jewel: Saw your website, good job on it. I like the general setup, and the posted material is definitely worth the trip. Good background and fonts too, they definitely convey the proper feel for the character being talked about (who btw, I can't wait to see in your fanfics, hope she comes in soon). Overall, good job, well worth the effort you've put into it. Hope to see more there before too long, the site will remain in my bookmarks for now. :) And I'll be watching it. (Pressure's on!) Thanks for putting up the link, and also the one to that hilarious Bill Gates reasons list you posted tonight. <doubles over in laughter again as he rereads the page> I bet more good links are out there waiting to be found, maybe I'll go looking after I finish this post.

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR VARIOUS RECENT NEW EPISODES OF BUFFY, ANGEL, AND TGS DARK AGES**

Serendipity: This one was a little predictable since we got a preview of it in TGS's last season, but it was still a very well-written and overall good read. Liked the plot, and the development on all the various characters. Othello and Desdemona's mating, and (of course) the scene with Asrial, Thersites, and the barrel were my favorite parts. Great job on the pics that supplemented them, Christi. Liked your one of Cornelia and Malcolm too. Keep up the good work, all TGS Staff. I will eagerly be looking forward to Part 2 of the story next week. And Timedancer and the other series' new seasons, whenever they come (thanks for the info, Robby, glad they're on the way).

Buffy & Angel: Excellent episodes tonight in both series. Each had a great plot, and some very good character development on all the players. Favorite bits from the Buffy ep include Spike's realization that he can hurt demons and the motivational speech he delivers at the end (the looks on Xander and Willow's faces when he gives it just have to be seen), and all the scenes with Riley (thanks for not making us miss out on his conference with Buffy about who they are, Joss!). Some very good development on his character and his relationship with Buffy was in this one (great development on Buffy too), I can hardly wait to see what side he'll end up taking if the Initiave and Buffy come up against one another. Only beef with the episode was that the Buffy jumping down the Hellmouth and pulling out a demon bit seemed a little contrived. Otherwise it was great and I give it a 9/10. Give the same score to the new Angel ep, which was just as good as the Buffy one and in some ways better. It had good development on Angel, Cordy, Westley, and Kate especially (her reaction to Angel's being a vampire and the process of her realizing he's still a good guy were very well-done). The villain was also a very interesting bad guy and one I could easily love to hate. :) Great action too, as SJ pointed out, and I also liked the flashbacks. Only real problems I had with this episode were that it didn't have as much Kate development as it could have (hope more's ahead), and I found myself missing Doyle every time I found a scene where he could have easily fit in. <sigh> Oh well, he's gone. I guess I should accept it. The ep was good enough without him and fully deserves its rating. I look forward to the new episodes of both shows coming up next week. :) (On a related topic, IMO, it is okay and good for Buffy and Angel to be getting involved with people other than each other. After all, some would say that with his being a vampire and her being a Slayer, plus Angel's curse (gotta find out Kate's reaction to it soon), the relationship was doomed from the start. Then there's the fact that their new relationships are very well-written, plus their new flames are good characters. Both facts are in favor of the new relationships in my book. <shrugs> Anyway, point is, if they're happy seeing people other than each other it's fine with me. Hope the respective situations keep going well.)

**END SPOILERS FOR BUFFY, ANGEL, AND THE NEW DARK AGES EP**

SOROW: You're feeling bad? <shakes head> Sorry to hear that, though you may have some good reasons for it as evidenced by your last post. My best sympathies to you in this situation, and wishes of good luck. If you need a friend, like Kit and everyone else in this room, I'm here for you. <hugs> All you have to do is call. The e-mail below is also available if you need to vent. Whatever's going on in your life, hope the pain soon eases <reads Joe's post and is glad to know it's already getting there>, and if there's anything Kit and I can do to help, please don't hesitate to let us know. :)

Jaden: $ More surprises? Good, I'll be looking forward to them. :) Note to all RP Players- participate in the current fight however you want, even bring in more bad celebrities if you want. Just please let me and Kit handle Leo, his entourage, and the other people we've brought in, okay? We have some plans. The rest, including all the fans, are up for grabs to whoever wants to take them out. Good luck to all participants in the battle, I look forward to having fun together as it goes on. :) $

Stormy: Welcome back. Thanks for posting the new Caligo and Wagner fic, I read and enjoyed it a lot. Great plot and character developments, on Wagner especially. I understand your later fics better now, and look forward to more from you soon. Keep up the good work. :)

Warpmind: I agree with you about the Travolta movie Micheal. It was pretty good when I saw it, too bad they can't make a sequel. Or not, since it's best to let some good things die before they go bad. :)

Firestorm: <From what I have seen, most of the authors who write about religious events are very careful to do it well.> We do that for two reasons- 1. It's only natural for writers to do a very good job on scenes that include stuff they believe in, and most writers who include religious events in fiction believe in the stuff portrayed. 2. If a scene is written well, it's less likely to make people angry. We all know how bad religion can be for stirring people up, so it's best to put in all the safeguards you can. <grin>

SJ: Congrats on surviving your vacation and all its perils, welcome back. :) Thanks for the good post on the fay, I agree with nealry all its points (all but the ones concerning Oberon to be specific, IMO Jenna has his character down better. No offense meant to your views of course).

David G: Good points about the fay from you too. Mind if I use your bit about their prank magic being inherently temporary in my ficverse? (Already have a condition of fay spells that they all must be either instantaneous or have an "spell ends if X is done" clause built in, your point is a natural corrallary.) Good luck on getting your chapter done soon, I look forward to reading it when it's done. :)

Gunjack: Re- Shiva: I agree with you that his name has generally been used as a destructive term in most fiction, but it won't be so in my fic if I ever put him in. That's because in traditional Hindu theology, Shiva is a wise, and while not always benevolent, very decent and okay guy. The real bad power of destruction is Kali, whose insane dance of destruction only Shiva can stop. And, since he apparently has done so gratefully on many occasions, Shiva is obviously willing to do destruction in moderation. He's also supposed to be a friendly rival of Vishnu the Preserver, not an outright enemy as some might think he would be from the titles. These things make Shiva a part of the Seelie Court in my book, if he's fay. Yeah, it's still good to have a bad destructive power named after him, the effect is important. But for the record, it's not mythologically accurate. :)

Stephen: Good luck overhauling your site, will miss you while you're gone. Come back soon, okay? :)

Christine: Glad to know Part 2 of Damien's coming along, I look forward to it as well.

Simon: Ack, you have to take finals now? Bummer, man! Good luck surviving them, Kit and I send our prayers your way. Hope they end well and soon. <thumbs-up>

And that reminds me, I have school tomorrow. <sigh> So now it's time for me to get some sleep. Which I will go do. Thanks for enduring me another night, friends, see you next time. <waves>

**MORE RP, CONTINUING THE ABOVE FIGHT. APOLOGIES TO ANY FANS OF MATTHEW MCCONAGHEY LURKING IN THE ROOM**

Backed up by the force of Dalek-Xenomorphs storming into the hangar, the Ravens and Wilek's forces are soon able to scatter the enemy all over the hangar and begin picking them off as they are cornered group by small group. Still the battle continues, the enemy's morale boosted by the band playing for them atop the battlecruiser. "Somebody's gotta shut that c^*p up," Keith says to Jammer, Tricia, and Stephanie as he notices this. "I'd be happy to oblige," Kit's sister declares. "It'd be easy for me since I'm immortal, and have two swords now thanks to the one I took from that psycho demon-hunter guy." "Then go," Jammer waves her on. "What's keeping you?" "Getting shot still hurts," Stephanie replies. "A lot." "Good point," Tricia agrees, hosing down some fans who get too close to the group with a psionically charged Uzi blast. "Wait," Keith says as he and the others back her up. "I got an idea." He grabs his radio. "Doug, can you and Kit hit their ship with some explosives on my call, dethrone that awful band?" "With pleasure, Keithsta," Doug replies. "These people are worse than Bare Naked Ladies, let's take 'em out!" "Seconded!" yells Kit. "Okay," Keith nods, drawing a grenade and gesturing to his teammates to do the same. The ninja counts down and they all throw, hitting the ship in tandem with a meteor swarm from Lathrop and a bazooka shot from Boris, who have just run from guarding the Onslaught to join in the fight. The resulting explosion throws the band and all those on or near the ship to different points across the hangar, destroys the battlecruiser, and thankfully stops the music as well.

"Ow!" Puff Daddy yells as he gets up. "That hurt! Now you guys are doubly dead!" "Right on, brother!" Cristina Aguilera seconds. "Come on, people. Prove your love to me! Take out our foes!" "Yeah, do it, people!" the heavily wounded Matthew McConaghey shouts, standing up from where he's convienently landed near Jammer and Tricia. "You guys get them and I'll give you parts in my next film!" This statement causes all his fans in the enemy army who are still alive to cheer loudly and attack with renewed fervor as McConaghey laughs and grins. "Scuse me, pal," Jammer gets his attention. "You're a bad actor, and all your movies stink! Why would anyone want to be in them?" McConaghey turns around and drops his jaw. "Hey, I know that accent!" he snaps. "You're from Texas." "And proud of it," Jammer nods. "I'm from Texas too," McConaghey growls. "Where's your loyalty to your fellow man, boy?" "With all due respect, sir," says Tricia, "we're loyal to our fellow man, but you don't count. You're a disgrace to Hollywood, Texas, and all that people think you represent." "Tell it to him, girl!" Shauna shouts in agreement from across the hangar. "Yeah!" adds Kit. "Send him back to his Mommy!" "Embarrass him before he dies!" laughs Doug. McConaghey listens to all this and grimaces, his temper rising as he realizes that Texas has produced worse bastards than him. Before he can open his mouth to reply in an angry manner, Jammer and Tricia raise their machine guns and shoot him down. "Why?" McConaghey whines as he dies. "I'm another good Texan human being!" "Only in your delusional mind, pal," Jammer quips. "Oh, and word to the wise. If you're coming to a gunfight, put on some clothes!!!" Doug, Tricia, Kit, and the others nod in agreement with the statement, averting their eyes from McConaghey's corpse as it is torn apart by battle-crazed Daleks and turning their attention to other foes. None of them will mourn their fellow Texan's loss.

**AND THE BATTLE CONTINUES NEXT TIME, FOR NOW END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:31:19 AM
IP: pool-207-205-146-190.dlls.grid.net

Heather> Welcome back lass! :D <hugZ> <<Been busy also, you know, getting a 8 week old Lhasa Apso and all.>> Aww. :) I once saw a Lhasa Apso calendar; those things are so adorable. ^_^ <<Slash > I'm not to do anything about this subject because I think it's not natural, it's sick, and it makes me lose respect for fellow characters that I'm quite fond of.>> I quite agree, to be perfectly honest; my own list was was more of a parody than anything. >;D <<Umm... anyone know how to potty train a puppy ?>> Um...I'm afraid I know next to nothing about training pets. :}

Xanathar> <<System Shock 2 cheats:I suppose there are,but I'm not sure,I never use cheats in any games,so I don't really look for them,I'm Sorry that I can't be more helpful:(>> No problem. :) It turns out that www.cheatcc.com's SS2 section was updated since I was last there. :D (Adding the entries undead and gun_degrade_rate 0 to the user.cfg will give invincibility and unbreakable weapons. 8) )

Caliope> <<Alright, Miss Alex Destine! This ius the second time I come here and I see no trace of you! I come to help you with a serious bunny infestation...and I dont see no stinkin' bunnies!!! :P Well, You cant say I didnt try!>> Um...You want the other CR, lass. :) But hey, you're welcome here anyhow. ^_^

Jenna> <<Think about it, if he were an ordinary human, we would dismiss his flaws as being human fraility. But as he is not, we want to hold him accountable, because he actually has the power to act out his impulses.>> It's probably something like that. Think about it--if an ordinary human gets ticked at you for no good reason, probably the most he can do to you is hit you. Get Oberon mad at you (which is ridiculously easy to do), and he'll destroy your entire country. ;P So, basically, accountability is a greater issue with a being that can do more damage if he is not subject to it. (And let the Bill Gates jokes commence...)

Fire Storm> <<Invincibility, yes. Infinite ammo, no.>> Ah. Well, that's not much of an issue in most FPSs anyhow. :) <<So I am a cheater. To me, one of the most important things in a game is the plot. Thats why some games are worth the $50 price tag, and some are not worth $20.>> I totally agree. I mean, why bother paying for a game if you can't get halfway through the first level? This is why the current trend toward cheats you have to 'earn' ticks me off so much--if a game's so hard that you need cheats to get through it, then it doesn't make sense to make you have to get through the game to earn them (Goldeneye, anyone?). >:/ The Gameshark is one of the greatest inventions in gaming history, but the fact that there's a need for it is one of the greatest *tragedies* in gaming history (Whatever happened to Turok-style cheats?)... <<Thanks for the link... DEFINATELY gonna try some of those out.>> You're braver than I am, child; with my luck, they'd wipe out half my hard disk. ;P <<any ideas on how to turn a 200 disk CD changer into a 200 disk CD-ROM changer? Or, better yet, a 200 disk MP3 CD-ROM changer?>> I don't know much of anything about this kind of thing, but once the first part is done, turning it into an MP3 player should be simple--just write up an M3U playlist of every MP3 on every disc. (I said it would be simple, not easy. :P )

Kaioto> <> If a world were sensible and equitable, it'd be *boring*. >;) <> You as well? :) I *should* be watching Men In Black right now to find a particular datum I need that's critical to the completion of my current fic, but after I'm done here I'll probably immerse myself in Silent Hill or something (gods that game is evil). :P <> Interesting...I'll have to check that out; quantifying my characters' abilities will be a big help when it comes time to write them. :)

Jewel> <<"Real Reasons Bill Gates Quit.">> Fascinating...hehe The one that strikes me as most plausible seems to be, "You know how rats will jump off a ship just before it sinks?" >;)

Johnny Miller> Welcome! :D Your sanity is now forfeit; you are now and forever a member of our asylum. >;D <<So how do you pronounce Theresites?>> I always pronounced it 'thercities'. I doubt it's correct, but oh well. :)

Joe Boxer> <<just pose nude part time for a web site.(the-whoregoyles-saga.com)>> O_O' I just...don't...want...to know...<<thanks for the info buddy. I really need to brush up on the lingo.>> Yer welcome lad. ^_^
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:09:36 AM
IP: tnt-3-16-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

BTW...
Wilek: thanks for the info buddy. I really need to brush up on the lingo.

JOE BOXER
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:50:50 PM
IP: spider-wo012.proxy.aol.com

Gunjack > hey, when you get your GURPS hardware finished, how about writing it up as an article for Sabledrake? ; )

Damien update > Part II is coming along, 23 pages in so far!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:50:16 PM
IP: nas-16-7.seattle.navinet.net

Hey everyone, I want to thank you for your concerns for SOROW. She seems to feel much better now, thanks to yall and yall's spankings(for those who took the liberty or the opportunity)Great news, SOROW says I don't have to quit school and become a stripper, just pose nude part time for a web site.(the-whoregoyles-saga.com) Thanks for your support everyone, and remember to just click on my thumnails to enlarge:)!!!!
Simon: I truly understand what you are going through. On final nights, I stay up and study til 5 in the morning. You have my deepest sympathies.
JOE BOXER - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:48:10 PM
IP: spider-wo012.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP***
Kari and SJ ran through the Avatar of Ganon as if wild dogs were chasing them....in actuality, it was the fear that a certain rampaging nekkid man with a very large.....sword....;)....was going to catch up with them at any moment.
"Wait, wait, wait!" SJ said, stopping suddenly. "This is silly. I'm not running anymore. Listen, if this Kaioto guy is out hunting demons, he must be one of the good guys, right? I'll just explain to him that I'm not some sort of creature from the bowels of Hell. He'll understand."
Suddenly, alarm klaxons wail and things erupt into chaos. "What the he--"
Kari grabbed a technical drone that happened to be scurrying past. "What's going on?" she asked.
"It would appear that the ship is being attacked," the drone replied calmly. "Several human soldiers have apparently invaded the Avatar."
"What? Who?"
"One of them seems to be named 'Leonardo DiCaprio'."
"Oh, this should be interesting," SJ said.
"Another is named 'Puff Daddy'."
"Uh oh, he'll be armed!"
"And a third is called 'Christina Aguilera'"
Kari gave SJ a cold stare. "Don't even think about it."
"I am afraid that it seems one of your friends, named Doug, has been grievously damaged."
"Oh hell," SJ gasped. "We better get there right now."
****END RP***

The Fae Again: I agree with Kaioto on this matter. It's not that I think ALL fae should be nuked. I don't think ALL fae are bad. But, I suppose, the animosity towards some of them (at least for me, and it would seem also for Kaioto) stems from the way they were written in the original series. Many of them were written as spoiled children who saw the two "younger" races as nothing buy playthings. They had no respect for the sovereignty of the other races. True, humans (or gargoyles for that matter) may be inclined to behave the same way given the power of the 3rd race, but in dealing with just the fae themselves...the problem is, in the Gargoyle series, they are not balanced.
Not, at least, in terms of something there to equalize their power. Face it, the only thing keeping the fae from totally ruling the earth is that they just don't care to operate on that grand a scale. There is little there to balance their might, very little there to equalize their power. Iron bells just don't seem all that practical. That's the main problem I have with the fae as they are written in the series; they're spoiled brats, with the power to squash the clan like a bug, and they're virtually *nothing* that could stop them if they got real serious about it. Face it, Oberon wouldn't have to worry about any iron bells--he could just point his finger, and a building would drop on them. That or something equally heinous. Perhaps in future fan fiction endeavors from me, I'll maybe able to balance the fae more to my liking.

Jewel: Finally got around to reading that article about the inmates (playing catch up is not fun!). I had seen a brief tidbit on it on Politically Incorrect (I don't know why I was watching that show that night....I hate Bill Maher, and I could frankly give a rats ass about what opinions celebrities have on current events). Personally, I'm conservative, so naturally, I'm pro death penalty, and pro-capital punishment. But I too find the use of this ad campaign disturbing, to say the least. It's one thing to bring a social issue like racism to light. It's another entirely to have the cajones to have death row inmates advertise a clothing line with the unbelievable tagline of "they broke the rules, they defied the order".
Say what you will about capital punishment--whether you're for it or against it--but you have to realize that, of the couple dozen or so inmates they used....SOME of them, at least, really DID kill somebody. Not all of them are innocent and convicted of crimes they didn't committ. They aren't all Hurricanes here. So I wonder how the families of the victims feel when they pick up one of these little catalogs and see the murderer of their son or daughter, mother or father or brother or sister or husband, wife, friend, lover....see these monsters essentially selling a line of clothes and spouting about the evils of capital punishment. This makes me want to pound my head against the wall.
BTW, I like the new site and the improvements you've made. I'm looking forward to more updates :)

Simon: Yeah, "Is Anybody Home" is the song I'm really stuck on now. OLP has a sort of unique vocal sound....I guess it's Raine's vocals. I've not really quite heard anyone else with the same sort of sound as he has. I'm debating on buying the new album...I'm not sure if it's been release yet in America, but I do know that I loved "Clumsy". It's still gets some pretty decent rotation on the ol' CD player ;)

Bill Gates: Gates seems to be going in reverse....richest man in the world, but he seems to be wanting to give it all up slowly over time. I wouldn't be that way. If I went from a geek programming comps in my garage to the richest man in the world, I'd probably become Xanatos. I'd rule the world! Bwah ha ha ha!!! Imagine.....an army of android robots that look exactly like me! Or is that too narcisstic?

Skippy: True, but you're discounting those Republicans like me who actually DO care about the plight of the "little people" of Cuba. I pray that one day soon Castro and his regime are overthrown and Cuba establishes itself as a sovereign nation (hopefully as a democracy). Till then, I'd like to help out the Cuban people as best I can. I don't think EVERYONE in the Republican party is just using this as a political tool. I mean Jesus, at least SOME of them may actually care a little, okay?
And I don't think Communism is totally dead, seeing as China is still a major world power...and is Communist to boot. Mostly dead, maybe, but way I see it, there's still enough poison in its veins to give somebody at least one good bite on the ass before it goes out completely. But that's just me.

***BUFFFY & ANGEL REVIEWS****
Buffy: Excellent episode tonight. Some rather spectacular development on Buffy and Riley's relationship. We knew that they'd have to approach their mutual occupations sooner or later, and tonight we got to see things come to a head. I like the way it was handled. Both sides seemed to be both right and wrong--Riley was a little too caught up in the adventure of hunting and Buffy was a little too doom and gloom, but both realized that they were better off giving each other a chance to let the relationship work. This was the main focus of the ep; forget that apocalypse subplot. Other stuff this episode:
1. That loser's derogatory comments about Willow had me seeing red. If she is a nerd, she's the hottest nerd I've ever seen!
2. I really like the way Spike is progressing. He went from suicidal, to back to being a regular vampire, then in a truly unusual twist....he seems to be liking his new role as one of the "Scooby gang"! Can't wait to see him kick demon booty.
3. Another reference to the fact that Faith is still alive (but comatose). If you didn't catch it, it was in there while Buffy and Riley were pseudo-verbally fighting in the cemetery.
4. Next week's ep looks fun--Giles as a demon!

Angel: GREAT episode tonight. Overall, some solid writing, and a more adult storyline. This show works great when the up the dark and mature material....I like the humor, but let's be honest, I think this show works best with a slightly more serious tone than Buffy. I thought Glenn made a rather good villain; in many ways, he's the "anti-Angel", as he represents everything Angel *used* to be, a direct opposite to what he is now. Plus he was just plain viscious. Was it just me, or was there some great action scenes tonight? Good choreography for a tv show.
I was pleased with the way that the writers handled Kate's reaction to Angel's "condition". It was the appropriate way to deal with it--first repulsion and fear, then reluctant acceptance. It's sure to put a damper on any romance they might have had, but I liked the way things were done.
And finally, I have to say I *loved* seeing the flashbacks. I hope the writers use this tact in future eps. Angel's lived a long life; I'd like to occasionally see him reflect on instances in his past, sort of like Duncan Macleod in "Highlander". Not all the time, but every now and again an flashback showing Angel's past experiences would be cool.
Overall, a strong episode tonight. A lot of fun, and very entertaining after a few weeks of reruns. Next week is the "Cordy's gone preggers" episode, so I'll have to tune in. Hope Wesley wasn't the one who planted the demon seed.
***END REVIEWS***

****RESUME RP****
Back in the City of the Dead, the meetin between Mephisto and Deavik is continuing to take place. "Why is it that you have an interest in these humans? This Kaioto and the Black Ravens?" Deavik asked.
Mephisto sighed, as if he was a parent having to explain something to a particularly dumb child. "Let me just say that I have heard....rumors....about these humans. About the power that lies within them. Power for good. Power to conquer evil. I've heard some strange things about them, and it has been enough to distress me. We both have plans for the living world, don't we? I don't particularly like the thought of having those plans disrupted because of a group of humans with sickening delusions of heroics."
"I can understand that," Deavik snapped. "But I find your interest in them rather convenient, seeing as I had some of my own agents on the Avatar. What game are you playing, Mephisto? What is your *real* interest in these humans? As adversaries, or something else?"
Mephisto's eyes burned black. "I am afraid I don't quite understand what you are implying, dear Deavik."
"Like heaven you don't." Deavik snarled. "I honestly believe that--"
The demon lord was cut off by one of his servants. The lesser demon approached its master with a parchment scroll. Deavik scanned its message and scowled, then looked at Mephisto. "Hmm....some rather interesting news for you, Mephisto. It would appear that these humans you are concerned about are now involved in a life or death struggle aboard the Avatar. And it would also appear as if your demon operative is about to enter the fight."
Mephisto ground his teeth together. If he didn't handle this right, all his plans would be ruined....
***END RP***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:47:27 PM
IP: 207-172-54-80.s80.tnt16.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

<<SJ>>
Cuban Boy & the Republicans> I would expect the GOP to be in favor of keeping the child here. For pretty much the same reason you gave: nationalism. The Right loves any chance they get to beat the dead horse of Communism. It gives them a chance to piss off Castro and look sympathetic to the plight of the little people.
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:18:50 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-39.ultravision.net

Spike > Awesome pics in Serendipity! I really loved the one of Asriel stuffing Theresites in the barrel. :)

Anyone > So how do you pronounce Theresites? TheereSights, TheereCities? Like that dude, So-Crates. Like sand through the hourglass... Most Excellent, dude!
Johnny

Johnny Miller - [jmiller1@satx.rr.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA/Earth
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:17:49 PM
IP: cs28141-118.satx.rr.com

Gside: <With a good enough battery, you should be able to use a water bottle as your fuel source>
True, but I want reload times under 5 minutes.
<MP3's>
Gimmie gimmie gimmie! (Mainly the Weird Al Yankovic ones)
I am surprised that you don't have White Zombies "The One".
I know I have at least 5 CD's of MP3's. Most of them are Queen, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, and soundtracks from movies. I am in the (long) process of converting all of my CD's to MP3.
Hey... any ideas on how to turn a 200 disk CD changer into a 200 disk CD-ROM changer? Or, better yet, a 200 disk MP3 CD-ROM changer? (I know there is no logical reason to desire a MP3 play time of 3 months solid, but it is the pure principal of it!)
<Ukie>
BTW... LM will try to get on here to continue talking about this as soon as she is able to get on here.

<Fire Storm waits for the 11 O'Clock news>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:44:00 PM
IP: t1-33.visitus.net

<g> Double post, but I just came across this and had to share. Click on my name to see "Real Reasons Bill Gates Quit."
jewel
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:14:51 PM
IP: atlnb303-33.splitrock.net

Buffy/Angel: Good eps tongiht...but am I the only one who thinks that there is something deeply, inherently *wrong* about the idea of Angel and Buffy with anyone *but* each other? <g> And any one else who finds themselves chanting this repeatedly at the TV screen when Angel or Buffy seem to be hooking up with Kate and whatsisname?
jewel
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:06:10 PM
IP: atlnb303-33.splitrock.net

Bah... forgot to mention I updated my page w/ some new stuff. Go see.
Simon
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 09:56:57 PM
IP: pppa93.connect.ab.ca

I hate finals. I haven't felt this tired in probably three months. I just want to die........ But anyway, I can't do that, so I'll settle for going to bed at 8:30. If I don't post until this weekend/next week, it's because I can't even move my eyelids. **can't make a pouting emoticon** Just two replies re: things that are near and dear to my heart, and then I'm going to go pass out.

Sevarius Jr.> ["I heard you were into Canadian rock bands?"] Oh, yeah. Virtually any Canaltrock (what me + my friends call it) is appreciated by me. I'm slowly turning my American friends onto it. Have I ever heard of Our Lady Peace? OHYEAH. Really like 'em, actually. Their first single (off their ALREADY released new album "Happiness... Is Not A Fish That You Can Catch") sucked bad, ("One Man Army"), but their current one "Is Anybody Home" is very pleasant and currently around #6 on the local altrock chart. (100.3 The Bear!!!)

Gunjack> A fellow PA fan! YEAAAH!!!!!! I have a group of about 4 friends who are die-hard fans, and we spend lunch hours re-enacting our favourite strips. ("I think you can go to hell.", "You're a dirty little jeep, aren't you?", "I like Gigs?", "Pok�mon in your pants?", et al). Kewl....

So see y'all later.
Simon - [deaddeaddead@curtain.cjb.net]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 09:52:57 PM
IP: pppa93.connect.ab.ca

Jewel> <<socio-cultural dynamics of a society are reflected within that socity's literary porn>>: Well, umm, yeah. Anything a society/culture does (porn, architecture, art, scientific discoveries) reflects its dynamics, especially whait it (as a culture) finds pleasing/exciting/stimulating.

Random question: "If you were on a bus full of gay guys, would you get off?"
This used to be posted in our room, right under "Girls are like parking spaces, the are either handicapped or taken."

The directotry I am linking to now contains a list of my roomie's complete mp3 collection (song is still the same). This is what I have access to.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 09:08:33 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Just wanted to drop a note here:

My gargoyles site - Wyvern-On-The-Aerie - is going offline for a major overhall and revamp, and most likely won't be up until mid-to-late February. I've been neglecting it for some time, so I'm hoping to be giving it a new facelift and fix a lot of busted links and missplaced files.

Wish me luck! :) Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 08:27:54 PM
IP: m30.ieway.com

Stormy: I don't know it had a name until I accidently wandered across an article about slash. Very traumatic stuff at places...I saw one Kirk/Spock one that made me screech "Wrong wrong wrong just *wrong!!!!!" (<g> Although I did once find a Sulu-Uhura-Chekov one that was so similiar to the Marquis de Sade's "Philosophy in the Bedroom" that I started scaring my friends by talking about the socio-cultural dynamics of a society are reflected within that socity's literary porn...

Gunjack: You can get it from my site, at http://www.chickpages.com/bookworms/jfaulkne/fanfic.html
Or click on my name. :)

I had more to say to people, but it's time for Buffy, and it's a new one, so ciao!

Arrigato everyone who had stuff to say about the site--it greatly helps! :)

jewel
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 07:54:58 PM
IP: 98cf1d4c.ipt.aol.com

Fire Storm> <<runs on standard 89 octane gasoline>>: No, what you gotta do is make one that runs on a 2:1 hydrogen/oxygen mix. With a good enough battery, you should be able to use a water bottle as your fuel source.
Ukranian: I am 1/4 Uke, third generation. My grandmother's parents and sister came across on the boat. I don't personally know any ukranian, except for the toasts (do you happen to know how to spell n'eschech'ya or n'alyep schyego?). And my great aunt writes to a family who claim to be relatives, though we believe they are actually part of the black market, who we are providing with prescription drugs, and other fun stuff.

**break for lin. alg. & fortran**

Random quote from the suite: "You know what a magnum is good for? Long range head popping" (in reference to Resident Evil 3)

**break for comp sci**

Hmm, I feel like there is something I should add, but nothing comes to mind.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 06:51:59 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Before anyone gets carried away with celebrating Bill Gates's departure, remember he only resigned as CEO of Microsoft. Bill Gates is still Chairman of The Board.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 06:45:16 PM
IP: 208.31.40.227

Taleweaver- uh, no offense my brother, but I think you misunderstood me. I do like the fae, as much as I like the other races. what bothers me is this notion floating around here, that the fae should be punished by the humans, because frankly, I don't think humans are that much better- I think in if given the same kind of power,that the fae have, the humans would abuse it just as much. What is that saying-- "Absoulute power corrupts absoulutely."

In my personal- no fanfic stuff-- I can't get enough of elves, or other magical figures. I just love em all
jenna
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 05:47:29 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Fae and faeries> I did want this discussion to pass by without saying something. I agree with Kaiato and Jenna as far as not liking the Third race on a whole. It short-circuits the notion of personal accountability that drama is based on. That and it is too easy to go to a deus et machina (ie. the magic reset button)

Nukeing Avalon is one line I wouldn't cross. Judging by the way Tom and Oberon talked about it, the island is at least semi-sentient. Send people where they need to be. Plus how do you program a missile to target Avalon. It's not exactly at a fixed location on the planet.

In my own stories (original stuff) I leave elves, fairies and dwarves out of it. There is enough good stuff going with people of different races, cultures and classes. Besides I'm a firm believer in free will and I can't buy that someone would only act a certain way because they are a gully dwarf as opposed to a mountain dwarf or that wind sprite is somehow less important than a frost sprite. I toss fate up in the air and cry 'mawlball'.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 05:05:35 PM
IP: 134.71.36.125

Hi everybody.
Despite staying up till 3:00 on Sunday, I still didn't get the damn chapter finished. It's almost done, though. Two more major scenes, and the spellcheck.

Kaioto> Not an elf lover, huh? In my Shadowrun campaign back in the mid 90's, I had lots of Orks walking around in T-shirts you would have loved (assuming you played Shadowrun). The shirts read "Save the Dandilions...Kill an Elf."

I'm interested in responding to your comments about the Fey in Gargoyles. Their high power level does present several writing problems, and it's not always handled in the best way. In some ways, just leaving the Fey out of the universe would be easier. I sort of like the posibilities they open up, though.

In my personal writing (as opposed to Gargoyles Fanfic, where I sort of try to follow the rules as established in the animated series) I generally portray the various Faerie types as vastly powerful, but ephemeral. For instance, a powerful Faerie Lord could transform everyone on an island into frogs, but the transformation would probably only last for a day or so. Afterwards, most of the transformed humans wouldn't even really remember it. (Any of them who were eaten by cats would still be dead, though. I'm a fatalist at heart.)

A pretty good literary example (and appropriate to Gargoyles) is the effects in A Midsummer Night's Dream. Oberon and Titania are nearly gods. Puck is far more capable than any mortal. Yet, when the smoke clears, there is little to no sign that the Fey were ever even there.

In my writing, the effect is because "Glamour" or whatever you want to call Faerie magick is inherrantly temporary. In Gargoyles, a shading of the interpritation of Oberon's Law might have a similar effect.

Just an idea, though.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 04:41:50 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

**RP Here**
Toku Kaioto continues to crawl along the ventilation ducts, periodically evading scans, giant rats, and search patrols. All this evading, however, has made it rather difficult to get any kind of a straight path to the demon. All of the sudden, the echo of gunfire and god-awful music erupts from the east.
"See � let one demon on a ship and everything goes to hell sooner or later," he mutters, picking up the pace to a full scramble and turning east.
**End RP**

Kitainia: <<Good points about the fay, though your overall attitude about them slightly troubles me. Yeah, the fay are power run amok and badly need some restraints on them, but they're not all bad. >> *shrugs* If my worst prejudice in this life is a dislike of a fictional race from a cartoon show, I'd say I'm pretty lucky. I don't like the way they are written, and they are about the only thing I dislike about the gargoyles universe. Oddly enough, that makes me dislike them as a group. I still like individuals.

As for people as individuals, In Real Life, of course I'd treat them as such, whether or not they have pointed ears or wings and tail or what not. Sure, there are some perfectly decent Fay out there, but I still wouldn't want a world in which the Fay existed as a whole. I ~ don't ~ find most elf-races compliant to the ideas of a sensible or equitable world. Their very existence in my mind says that something is seriously messed up in the fantasy universe I'm reading at the time and I probably wouldn't want to live there as myself. *shrugs* Some are done tastefully and I don't mind them at all, but very few. There is something messed up with living in a world where a person can decide to level an entire continent or polymorph an entire island on personal in-born magical power and actually get away with it.

Again, I've never advocated killing them off as a race. I simply wouldn't write them in. *chuckles* Or I'd write them in differently. And if I where a world leader in the gargoyles universe and knew all I did about Fey, I'd sure as hell point iron-loaded ICBMs at Avalon, just out of a sense of national security and all.

The notion of killing Fay for revenge for meddling is rather extreme and unsettling, I'll admit. The idea of showing them exactly how unwise it is to meddle by spanking them in some manner, however, does not. They are like 4 year olds often enough, and sometimes kids need to be spanked for things like throwing the cat into the oven or throwing shoes at the dog's head.

SJ: *nods* You understand where I'm coming from. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, thusly Fay make the world much more unsafe and inequitable. The world has enough of that, thank you. I'd never want unrestricted, over-powered elves like that to exist in my world, even if I got to be one myself. The even the World of Darkness has more equitable consequences for being "better" than human in Werewolf and Vampire. Mage, well, mages aren't exactly fair, but on the other hand, they are simply the humans with enough willpower and dedication and belief to change things. Wraith, um � gee � you're already dead � sound fair to me. Most World of Darkness settings, even though they make human life cheep, then to be a bit more balanced in terms of universes. Balance, as they say, is the nature of the universe.

Gunjack: I don't have anything published online, I putz too much. Maybe someday I'll put some stories somewhere, but I actually have a real problem right now in the fact that I don't like writing in New York City, when I know Boston so much better. *L* My favorite scenes all work so much better in places I know. In addition, I don't like writing the gargoyles themselves much. They don't FIT well enough to change the location. I would like to introduce the Fay, however, just to lay the smack down once in a while. I ~ do ~ have mages and demons and other fun stuff running around though. It is modern Boston plus unpleasant magical and spiritual plagues of many types. I just like the scenery in Boston. =)

My story has a mind of its own, apparently. But at least it is GURPS compliant. I drafted out my main character at start and found him to be 105 points. Pretty sweet. I just downloaded the GURPS character maker from the sjgames web-site. I'll email him to you some time, if you are curious.

"Give me dwarves any day. They have the gall to look down on you even though they are only 4 feet tall, but at least they are honest about it."

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 02:09:52 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Wilek: <Hm...are there invincibility/infinite ammo cheats?>
Invincibility, yes. Infinite ammo, no. BUT you can get all the ammo you want by using Summon_obj.

Xanathar: <Ghosts>
Oh yeah. Those two are definately some of the best. But I also like the cafeteria scene. Thats a pretty good one too. The scary thing about the midwife one is that you know you run into her.
<reinact their death scenes and then vanish>
Thats not entirely true... the first ghost you see didn't die just because he forgot his access card.

I was Navy too, but there are at least 2 Black Ops skills I reccomend to everyone: Tier 3 "Enhanced Motion Sensitivity" and Tier 4 "Photonic Redirection". Up to the last (well, the Many) level, I really only used the motion sensor, but when I couldn't fight my past all of the bad guys at the very end, I found it became really easy when you just used "Photonic Redirection" (Stealth mode) you could run it, blast some bad guys, cloak again, move, lather, rinse, repeat. I invested too many chips into Black Ops skills (well... after max-ing out my tech skills). Most of them are a big waste of time and chips. I found a total of 5 I actually use, and the other three are only in a pinch.

So I am a cheater. To me, one of the most important things in a game is the plot. Thats why some games are worth the $50 price tag, and some are not worth $20.

So, since you were a Navy boy, what weapons did you use? Oh! Also, did you find any real use for the Speed Booster hypo or just about any of the cyber modules (Strength boost, Lab Assistant, etc)?

Wilek: Thanks for the link... DEFINATELY gonna try some of those out.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 01:51:04 PM
IP: 216.90.45.188

Aaron- check your em bro.
jenna
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:32:56 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Well, way to go, guys....it was a slow day at work, and all this mention of the Outklaws inspired me to go through my disks, find a finished fic that had just been waiting for HTML coding, code it, and post it. So...there's now something brand new at the CALIGO AND WAGNER name at the Garg-fans fic archive. Thanks!

Jewel: Thanks for cluing me in on the "slash" thing. All I can say is, ew, I can't believe that actually has a NAME for it.

*tries to ignore a little voice saying "Wonder why Starscream and Megatron don't get along? Messy love triangle when Megatron dumped him for Soundwave..."

*screams* SHUT UP, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT!!! EW!
Stormy
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:36:16 AM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

AAron- you can send it to me if you want roomie. Let me know
jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:32:30 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Help! I've tried from every machine in the office, and I still can't upload my fic!

I'm going to try from the comp lab at school. (I go back today) Hope that works. If not, could I mail my fic to somebody who's not having this problem and have one of you upload it?

DC dies, just as soon as I get this resolved.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:25:58 AM
IP: ppp-72.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Forgive my terrible spelling everyone...
jenna again
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:25:10 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

SJ- int comments-

Nuking the fae-- boy I dont' want to beat a horse, or start a fight in here, but some of these comments regarding this topic really freak me out- they take a self-rightous tone- and have the notion of "lets pay them back" ; or "lets teach them the value of all life"- uhm, we are supposed to do this by nuking them? Does anyone see the ovious contrast into this besides me?

And more importantly, does anyone besides me notice the ovious hypocrasy of such statements-- as if humans as a race have never done anything atrocious--hello! does anyone remeber the world wars, the holocost, the camarouge, ect, ect, you dont see the fae or the gargs doing anything like this; you don't see them screwing eachother to get a percentage--does anyone see this besides me/????

I for one do not think Oberon was as bad as how he is portrayed in TGS- no offense to anyone- I don't picture him just dropping off babies left and right with no concern for them. Yes Oberon does mess with human lives, and there is no excuse for that, but humans too have done that since the beginning, and we are no one to judge or critizise.

I think Oberon is a fascinating character- flawed, and fascinating. I think the reason he is dismissed as being an a$$hole, is because we expect him to be perfect. Think about it, if he were an ordinary human, we would dismiss his flaws as being human fraility. But as he is not, we want to hold him accountable, because he actually has the power to act out his impulses.

Food for thought...

jenna
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:20:47 AM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Here's a link to Cyrway's Bios of the Outklaws if you want to meet this crazy bunch...artwork by Coyote...

If you're reading under the "Caligo and Wagner" name on the archive, check out PATERNITY...yeah, it's on the longer side, but look at what you got! Full-scale guerilla action between Demona, Sevarius and Nightstone on one hand...and the Outklaws armed with paintball guns and Molotov cocktails on the other, all over Mauser's egg...and Richard S. Wagner as well!

*end shameless plug* Hmm, I haven't posted a new fic in a while...off to HTML code...
Stormy - [<--VISIT THE OUTKLAWS AND RISK YOUR SANITY]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 09:46:20 AM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Oh, and excuse the typos! if you do remember me...then your used to it! :P Bye again!
Caliope
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 09:39:47 AM
IP: 136.145.47.7

Alright, Miss Alex Destine! This ius the second time I come here and I see no trace of you! I come to help you with a serious bunny infestation...and I dont see no stinkin' bunnies!!! :P Well, You cant say I didnt try!

From what I've seen I remember some ppl here who I chated with when I used to chat at Gargoyles...Hello to you! Do you remember me?! Yeah, thats the one, the one who had a habit of squiding Cortan! :P Well, I gotta go, might drop bye againg! Bye!
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Puerto Rico
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 09:38:07 AM
IP: 136.145.47.7

Hi all!!

Fire Storm re Bill Gates:<>That makes sense,especially with Windows 2000 right round the corner.(And the headaches it will probably cause)<<You don't know how much ammo and Psi power I wasted trying to kill those things the first 3 times I saw them!>>At least you didn't try to hit one with the wrench*Holds head in shame*,I don't know which ghosts I liked more the soldier who commits suicide in engineering(creepy and very emotional) or the nurse whose being turned into a Cyborg midwife in Hydroponics(Plain creepy) but their all good.(For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about,System Shock 2 features Ghosts of dead crewmembers who turn up in certain sections of the game,reinact their death scenes and then vanish.<<Been there, won that, waiting for the editor, and gonna try getting through the game without SUMMON_OBJ Standard clip>>I've never really used the Black ops before,I liked the Navy Techs(All those lovely hacking skills right from the start Mmmmmm)

Wilek re System Shock 2 cheats:I suppose there are,but I'm not sure,I never use cheats in any games,so I don't really look for them,I'm Sorry that I can't be more helpful:(

Good night all!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 08:53:51 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Kids, click my name. I think I've found Mr. Disconnect's homepage. O_o
Wilek
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 07:09:08 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

**walks in wearing a black cape and peeks in** Sorry I haven't been here. Been busy also, you know, getting a 8 week old Lhasa Apso and all. **pulls the hood down and smiles** Now, down to CR business.

Slash > I'm not to do anything about this subject because I think it's not natural, it's sick, and it makes me lose respect for fellow characters that I'm quite fond of. Especially the ones from ST : Voyager. **raspberries**

Changes in the CR ? HMMM. Whatever it is, I hope there are some better pics because mine is being taken more often! No, offense to anyone who uses the Brianna pic. I just have been using it for most of the year I have been at the TGS cR.

**walks out and brings in her puppy, Missy** Umm... anyone know how to potty train a puppy ? I never raised a dog from a puppy before and I just got her yesterday. **quote from "The Fly"** Help...me.... Help...me...
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 06:56:03 AM
IP: abd286d7.ipt.aol.com

**RP!**

[A horrific gunfight has broken out in the Avatar Of Ganon's docking bay, as the crew defend themselves from DiCaprio and his goons. Several Borg do their best to try and assimilate the Protoss battlecruiser, but find themselves unable to get within five feet of it thanks to the instruments of the band on top of the vehicle, thanks to what seems to be a less powerful version of the Techno-Nuke. Someone calls for medical assistance for Doug, and calls of 'EX-TER-MI-NATE!' pierce the air as a squad of Daleks arrives to help eliminate this new threat to the station, accompanied by what appear to be several xenomorphs that have been cybernetically enhanced with Dalek parts. Agent Rho reminds himself to have a word with the Dalek Prime later...]

**END!**

Warpmind> $<<Great, I mixed up the Administrator and Agent Rho... oh, well. No biggie, I hope.>> It isn't. :) $ <<And as for printing the T-Shirt design... dude, B/W printer... no colors. No good, man.>> ACK. I know what that's like--my printer's currently out of colored ink, and will only print in greyscale. I haven't had time to buy new cartridges, either. A shame, that; I have a few pics that'd make great T-shirts...<<And when you suggest Christine should nail a dead animal to the publishers' door... better make it a big one, no? Something bigger than a raccoon.>> Well I don't have big enough nails for a horse. :P <<Well, something seems wonky with that WAV file... open it in new window and nothing. Just a JAVAscript error.>> Hm...did you try downloading it?

Aaron> <<I *finally* finished my fic, and now I can't get the thing to upload. The archive says it's been added, but when I go to check, all I can get is the description with a big empty space. I've got it in html format, and I've tried uploading it from a floppy and from the hard drive. Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? Please.>> I'm not sure you're doing anything wrong; it's probably the archive...

Fire Storm> <<You will also excuse me if I use the name Damien in some future stories.>> You as well? :) <<Been there, won that, waiting for the editor, and gonna try getting through the game without SUMMON_OBJ Standard clip>> Hm...are there invincibility/infinite ammo cheats?

Anne> <<for some reason I can't get into the archive. It's asking for a password and user name and the design is different (and new), and I can see the next few episodes. Is this happening for anybody else???>> Hm...The TGS archive? It happened to me, too... O_o

Gyre> Spamfic> ROTFL!!!! >:D

Coyote> Did ye get my e-mail? <<Due to overwhelming happiness incurred by an hour-long long-distance phone call to Brooklyn, Coyote has been rendered kind of ... well ... speechless.>> Eh?

**AUTHORITATIVELY OFFENSIVE STUFF**

More slash fics we really, really don't want to see (truth be told, I don't ever want to see *any*, but these would be the worst of the lot):

Dr. Wily/anyone
Aeris/Edea (Final Fantasy 7 and 8, respectively)
Onix/Pikachu (Pokemon)
Emperor Palpatine/anyone
Wolverine/Colossus
the Predator/anyone
Scar/Zazu
Beast/Gaston (Beauty And The Beast)
Brooklyn/Matt Watson (oops, too late :P )
and finally, from Soul Calibur:
Nightmare/Soul Edge (OUCH!)

**END**

Jannie> Clinton quotes> Dear gods...I wish everyone in the country had seen this before electing the buffoon...

SOROW> <<But one of my good friends might be pregnant, a friend-couple of mine might break up, and I've just heard some things about people I know that I really didn't want to hear. *sigh* You think you know people! And I have to take my SAT this Saturday...>> Oi...<more hugZ>

SJ> <<Went to an unexpected funeral, nearly died in an auto incident I care to not discuss, and reaffirmed my intense hatred for certain family members. So, in other words, I didn't have a good time. The first day of the new semester begins tomorrow, and though it means another four months of educational suffering, I'll go gladly. That's how screwed up my life is. I'm actually looking *forward* to the semi-sense of normalcy a regular school semester brings.>> ACK...with all that going on, I'm very glad you're back in the CR instead of on 'vacation'...<<If Walt wasn't cryogenically frozen, he'd be doing 360s in his casket.>> Ironically enough, he was cremated. ;)

Gunjack> <<Assumably, an anti-fey matrix would have more iron than just a single atomic layer, but a millimeter is way too much.>> Actually; I was thinking of iron armor for an airplane; probably an iron Matrix would only need a few atomic layers per nanite. :)

Jaden> <<People are always so complex. They spend so much needless energy to try and be like everyone else, but if they would look at humanity on a large scale they would realize that no one acts completely like another person.>> True. Of course, there are very few people I want to act very much like anyhow. >;)

Joe Boxer> <<ROFL?(sorry, I'm a little rough on my computer jargon)>> Rolling On The Floor Laughing. :)

Oh, BTW, click my name if y'all want to be deeply frightened. O_o
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 06:44:00 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

I guess I have to post again. Time is short, and I have found myself rather addicted to a new game called Clickomania!

Aaron: Amy K. Cyrway, you say? I'm on it. And thanks. Actually, I'll be on it later, when there's not a bunch of people in line behind me.

Fire Storm: True, DOOM wasn't designed to run smoothly on a 386. It was made so that it *could* run on a 386. Even a 486 SX is pushing it... *sigh.*

Gside: No, I don't think Astigmatism is the correct medical term... Anyway, I'm no opthalmologist, so I can't explain it fully. What I do know, however, is that I am a little short-sigh... I mean, near-sighted. And as for my being oblivious to the Cuban Boy situation: That's not due to me living outside the US. That's due to me spending the weekend without watching the news even once. Just a weird combination of Martial Arts training and playing Tekken 3 on Playstation... And I'd be glad to fight you for the part of the scribe. Which extremity would you like to lose first? ;)

*Warpmind high-fives Delphi.* Yeah, it would be cool to see Travolta chew Oberon's hiney! And those kin of Van Gogh... Hilarious.

Mara: Would it be too much to request a progress report? I know Pissy is nearly done, so... please be quick; it would be pretty weird if episode 3 came before episode 2... though, with each episode being a functional standalone, it shouldn't matter much... Glad to see you back in the CR, m'lady.

Gunjack Valentine: You like GURPS just because you can design your own hardware there? I'm pondering the creation of a GURPS world where both science and magic flourishes... though, it's probably a bad idea... Besides, I'm too busy with Gargoyles fanfics, a new entry for Sabledrake Magazine, and a Call of Cthulhu campaign... I curse the need for sleep...

Jaden: You're right. Finally, someone else who has realized that "normal" is just a metaphysical term for something utterly nonexistent.

**RP**
Warpmind walks into the hangar, having lagged a bit behind Wilek. After a slightly annoying and a bit embarassing session of asking the computer for directions, Warpmind finally locates Wilek... in the middle of a gunfight. Warpmind instinctively dives for cover near a familiar shape.
"Wilek! What's going on?"
"Leonardo DiCaprio just snuck up here in a Protoss Battlecruiser and shot Doug."
"DiCaprio? Typical. Have you killed him yet?"
"Uh... no?"
"Good. I wanted a shot at him, too."
Warpmind draws his little dart gun and swithces from a green-tagged clip to a red-tagged one.
"No need for the tranq-darts. Here goes the Curasit Mark VII neurotoxin."
Wilek frowns at Warpmind.
"I'm not even going to bother asking."
"Good. The labrats who developed this would be offended if I revealed them, anyway."
More gunfire ensues...
**RP END**

Catch ya later, everyone...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 04:52:46 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Kit: thanx for the advice

Fire Storm: ROFL?(sorry, I'm a little rough on my computer jargon)

SOROW: <<becoming a stripper>> I was just kidding. But I bet my little joke made you finally smile.(or raise your eyebrows:P)

HEY, I'VE BEEN ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT THE STRIPPER IDEA. SOUNDS LIKE FUN AND GOOD MONEY.J/K(although it would be interesting to see what it feels like to have a bunch of drunken women stuff dollar bills down my g-string<<not that i have one of course....maybe:)>>)

JOE BOXER
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 03:29:11 AM
IP: spider-wc024.proxy.aol.com

Gside: <The idea has been kicked around here to make one a
couple of times>
I am debating making a fuel injected one that runs on standard 89 octane gasoline.
<na zdorov'ya> The cute little Ukrainian woman next to me <kisses LM> would like to know if you are Ukrainian and/or if you speak or write a dialect of Ukrainian.

OH! One thing that got wiped before I could post it...
LM and I went to my great-grandmothers 95th birthday party, and it was pretty good, although there were a few wierd things that happened:
My quite intoxicated aunt (she frequently has a low alcohol/blood content, or a VERY high blood/alcohol content... you pick which one you prefer) pinched my butt
AND my cousin wore an odd shirt. She wore a standard long sleeve shirt as the bottom layer, and a top layer that looked like there was no hole for a sleeve on the left side. Yes, there was a hole she stuck her arm through on the right side, but on the left her arm just hung there.
Now, if Puppy Girl tried to turn in a shirt like that in to her home ec teacher, she would not get a passing grade. My cousin probaly spent about $35-$40 for that thing too...
Well, at least she never really had a decent fashion sense, so this wasn't TOO much of a shock.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 03:26:33 AM
IP: 216.90.45.154

SJ> <<Republicans want to see him stay, while several Democrats say he should go back>>: From a purely liberal vs. conservative standpoint, Dem.s are more likely to think that Cuba's way is right, while Rep.s would tend to favor democracies like us.

Fire Storm> spudgun: 3' pvc pipe + aerosol spray + potato = fun ? The idea has been kicked around here to make one a couple of times, as well as stories about using french fries as grapeshot, mashed potatoes as mortars, etc.

Valentine> na zdorov'ya: Pronounced "naz drove ya." Classic Ukranian toast. "Best of Health." Thought it was a good tagline.

Random news from RU: It appears that very soon half my suite will be teaching the other half D&D. I'll be learning.

Normalcy: I forgot to comment on this before, but this topic reminded me about the speach near the end of the movie "Angus." I liked it (maybe because I was the fat science-type boy).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 02:16:44 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

****BEGIN RP!!!****
"Hmmmmmmm," Jaden thinks managing to see the last few minutes of this new problem. Almost smiled at Doug being shot. "Seems like another fight is starting to form. Oh to help or not to help? That is the question."
****END RP!!!**** (hey this cold has my brain fried and you want something longer?)

Wilek><<Who cares about acting 'normal' or 'like everyone else'?!>> I guess most people are just scared to doing, seeing, and acting things differently than most of the people they live around. People are always so complex. They spend so much needless energy to try and be like everyone else, but if they would look at humanity on a large scale they would realize that no one acts completely like another person.

Warpmind><<I'm with you, normality is boring.>> Yeah, most of the time I really don't think that 'normal' exists.

I'd like to go more into this whole social conformity thing, but I'm way to tired.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 02:12:42 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

*Valentine staggers in carrying a huge crate full of lethal weaponry and explosives. He drops it next to his desk, sits down heavily, and kicks back.*

Well, I'm winding down from a week-long weapon spree... I've spent the last several days raiding the GURPSnet archive for weapon files and writing up custom toys for several GURPS games that I'm working on...:D *Tosses DC an ounce of FRHX, and watches as the explosive repaints the CR in Vital Fluid Red*
Say what you want about the GURPS system, but any game that lets me build my own hardware has my vote... Much more of a personal feel that way...
Now, if I could just find a way to convince my DM that mounting a 6dx27 blaster cannon on my powered armor isn't munchkinism...:D

By the way, sorry for the late replies... like I sadi, it's been a busy week...

Jewell - Sorry about asking again, but could you tell me where I could find your fanfics other than the GFW archive? I got up to "Thy hand Belinda", but the story wasn't there...:( Thanks a bunch!

Zath><<Why don't you get a bayonet? Then you could have the best of both world, ripping and slashing coupled with shooting and splattering....>> True, but I prefer to just use a gun AND a sword. Besides, it's kinda hard to cut someone's head off w/ a bayonet...

Aaron><<You know, I've never believed the Matrix's escape was accidental. But then, I trust most of the fey as far as I do demons.>> Wise choice. I'll bet you invest in the steel market, don't you? :)

Gside><<Antimatter theory: Since this universe is mostly matter (due to a probability imbalance in pair production), I would expect that the first boom would send the rest of the antimatter colliding into matter in a negligable amount of time.>> True, but assuming the first boom will only be between the extreme outer atomic layer and the matter, and the blast from that will probably create at least a temporary vacuum. When that collapses, you'll have a secondary blast with the atomic layers of the pieces left, and another vacuum. Then another blast, another vacuum, and so on.
In other words, instead of a blast that will rip up the state of texas, God forbid, you'd just blow up dallas about three hundred times. <<Gambling fae: That all depends on how far into the future they can see (prophesy, etc.).>> Actually, I was just assuming that Titania had enough experience from being around people that she could guess how they would react to a certian situation. <<I've always wondered why Puck didn't get more mileage out of the "protect Alexaner" clause. i.e.: "The gargoyles protect the castle; Alexander lives in the castle; therefore the gargoyles protect Alexander; the gargoyles need help; if I help the gargoyles, they can protect Alexander more efficiently; therefore, by helping the gargoyles, I am protecting Alexander.">> Probably because it's more fun to watch the gargoyles solve things for themselves...
By the way, what the heck does "Na zdorov'ya" mean?

SOROW> Sorry to hear about all the problems...:( hope things start looking up soon...<<Okay, I'll remember to do that. I'll be in Austria and think to myself, "Self, you absolutely HAVE to get Gunjack Leederhosen or he'll just cry.">> ROFL :) That's right, I'm gonna DIE if I don't get a manly suspender/shorts combo IMMEDIATLY! :P
Heck, the german products I'm REALLY interested in come in metric bore sizes...:) <<How long has it been since Fang ran away? I think he's been forgotten.>> He's probably off somewhere building up Yet Another Financial Empire...

Kaito><<In some of my own writings I invented nice little ways for the Celestial Powers that Be to hold the reality altering elves in check. Not the least of which are mortal paladins. For references on this, see GURPS basic rules for level 5 magic resistance and level 5 strong will. Add in a blessing for heroic feats, some unpleasant weaponry, and a general fanatical disposition, and you have a demon-slayer/elf-hunter type character in the making.>> SWEET! Dangit, now I'm gonna have to read all of YOUR stories, too...:) <<�You are lucky no one was severely injured in this whole ugly incident, or there would be hell to pay, literally.�>> Uh, what about all of the people on the road?<<When in doubt, see GURPS.>> Words to live by! :D

Wilek><<Or better, a Final Fantasy 8-style gunblade. 8)>> Hmm, not a bad idea... <> Assumably, an anti-fey matrix would have more iron than just a single atomic layer, but a millimeter is way too much. Just assume that each nanite doubles its mass with iron. Assuming a matrix as big as the one in "walkabout", that'd probably be more than all the fey together could handle...

Thomas><<Gunjack Valentine--Sorry, no lederhose :)>> Well, she COULD just jump across the border into germany for a tic, couldn't she?
Oh, well, I'm probably better off without it anyway...:)

Simon - PENNY ARCADE!!! YAAAAAY!!! *Valentine does the "hooha" dance; many turn away sickened*

Doug><> Oddly enough, Every time I spot Shiva in fiction, the character/plot device is pretty cataclysmic; ie Shiva from the Athenaverse and the Shiva Virus from Rainbow Six... As such, I've never thought of the persona as anything other than a killing machine. I can see Death as a wise, somewhat benevolent character, but destruction is something differant...

Jannie - Sorry to hear about your daughter...:( Hope she comes to her senses.

Patrick Toman - I agree with your comments on Elain. Still, is obscurity really all that bad? Personally I'd rather have the public spotlight go shine on someone else rather than be stuck with it forever...

Tim P. - What's this I keep hearing about an Aliens 5 script? I got knocked out last time everyone was passing these out...

Ugh... 12:23. I'll try to get back soon, but these new GURPS files are awfully demanding...:) Anyways, see ya'll around...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 01:30:37 AM
IP: 4.49.129.217

::Walks in, after a long absense:: Finally, Mara has come BACk to teh CR !!!! Sorry.. i been real busy what with the creativity demons plaguing my every step.

stormy:Ok, I don't get it...What is this "Slash" thing? What does the slash mean?

Slash is a happy place where fan fiction writers go when they want to have people like Demona and Elisa make sweet love down by the fire. (Currently trying to finish a f/f songfic with those two for teh archive. No sex.. just the *REAL* reason *laughs maniacally8 why Demona can't kill Elisa.

Also.. slash is stuff like the cute lil Zelgadis/Xelloss pic i've put in my name link. Take a lookie if ya like.. slight nudity.. nothing evil.

Warpy:Right now, Mara is (or should be, whichever applies) MiSTing one of my fics. Don't know which one, but I'm anxious to see the result. Funny, now I get one of those rare cases of nervosity

*laughs maniacally again* yet another thing I'm working on. No wonder I have no time for the CR.

Jewel: <Characters We *Don't* Want to See "Slash"ed>
From Gargoyles

Hudson and ANYONE
Wolf and ANYONE
Lexington and Brooklyn (ugh.. been there to death)
and Bronx with anything humanoid.

From Slayers
Garv and Valgarv. ( yeah, i know their rumoured to be lovers, but Garv is soo ugly and Valgarv should look for better. Like Xelloss.)
Zelgadiss and Rezo (that's incest, maan!)
Fibrezo and anyone (he's only a lil kid, you guys!)

Coyote-pookie: **enters with a silly grin on his face, sits in the corner and grins more and more. Rosanna enters the room and pulls out a sheet of paper**
**ahem** Due to overwhelming happiness incurred by an hour-long long-distance
phone call to Brooklyn,

*laughs Manically yet again*

Slash fics: Good list, Jewel, though Coyote suggests a couple more for
the list ... Slayers fans should know these ones:
1. Gourry/Zelgadis

now now.. I found a ratehr grea explanation site for a Zelgadis/Gourry coupling. Here you go.

http://members.tripod.com/~MissNightfall/zel_n_gourry.html

2. Lina/Martina
3. Amelia/Nahga

Once again, my love. Incest is BAD! ( like i should talk, knowing teh filths i write)

4. Gourry/Sword of Light. (All together now ... OUCHIE!! ;)

Pleasant mental pic.. not.

Kitainia: Cornelia was a good character too, though thanks to Pistoff I ended up
confusing her somewhat with another character of the same name. :)

*Chibis run around chanting* Horny Corny! Horny Corny!
Mara Cordova - [MCordova999 @hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:57:19 AM
IP: spider-wj073.proxy.aol.com

SJ: <but I really don't wanna see Kirk get frisky with Spock. Dear God, the horror. >
I guess you also don't want to hear McKoy saying "Damn it Jim, I am a doctor, not a slave boy!"
(I probally shouldn't show you the link to the Star Trek porn stories sites I have seen. In one story I read the description of, the Borg is just one large collective of homosexual male drones. Ya know, that would explain why we didn't see any female drones before Voyager...)

Gside: 
Hmm... that COULD be a problem...
BTW... what do you know about spudguns?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:51:20 AM
IP: t2-3.visitus.net

**SJ drags himself into the CR***
Hey guys. I'm back after a few days away. On "vacation". Had a kind of interesting time too. Went to an unexpected funeral, nearly died in an auto incident I care to not discuss, and reaffirmed my intense hatred for certain family members. So, in other words, I didn't have a good time. The first day of the new semester begins tomorrow, and though it means another four months of educational suffering, I'll go gladly. That's how screwed up my life is. I'm actually looking *forward* to the semi-sense of normalcy a regular school semester brings.
Today was Martin Luther King Jr. Day, so I hope all of you took a moment to reflect on that great man. If only there were more folks like MLK, maybe we wouldn't be still treading water with racial equality instead of moving forward.

On top of my holiday woes, the Redskins had to lose their damn ball game! I knew they would, although at least they put up a decent showing and didn't get murdered. Losing by 1 point is still a loss, but at least it wasn't a massacre **coughcoughMiamicoughcough62-7coughcoughLOSERS!!!coughcough** I'm a gracious loser, so hats off to you, Stephen, and you too Coyote. I think I'll be pullin' for the Bucs in the next couple weeks. ;)

***ENTERTAINMENT NEWS***
In case you folks haven't heard the latest rumor, it's that some British paper is claiming that Stephen Spielberg has already signed on to direct the Harry Potter movie. I wonder if he'll be able to find someone as self-righteous as Tom Hanks to play the lead....

Spider-Man Unlimited will be returning to the Fox saturday morning lineup. Thank God. I didn't really care for it that much, but anything, ANYTHING is better than the 2 or 3 hours of Pokemon ripoffs they continuously play....somebody tell Fox that Monster Rancher isn't the only goddamned cartoon that is in existence!!!

Proof that the Millenium really may bring about the Apocalypse: The Good News--Paul "Don't call me Pee Wee" Reubens has dropped his hosting gig on the new "You Don't Know Jack" tv game show. The Bad News--he's working on another big screen Pee Wee Herman feature film. Care to guess which company it's for?
Yep. Disney. If Walt wasn't cryogenically frozen, he'd be doing 360s in his casket.

Slash: Ugh....all of the undesirable choices given should never, never come to be. I'm sorry, I just can't stomach this type of stuff. I understand if you're a homesexual and you enjoy homesexual literature or....erotica....but I really don't wanna see Kirk get frisky with Spock. Dear God, the horror.

Simon: I heard you were into Canadian rock bands? I can't claim to know much about any of them (besides Barenaked Ladies), but have you ever heard of Our Lady Peace? I'm into their stuff. They're a pretty good alternative band from (I believe) Ontario. They should have a new album out soon, but I loved "Clumsy", their last one.

Kit: I really have no great love for either Christina Aguilera or Britney Spears. I understand that they're flavors of the month, and I agree that they should never, ever win any awards. I'm just saying that, in a shallow, sexist way....I find them attractive. Damn these raging hormones of mine.
To be real, their lives will probably end up like this: In a year, they'll be so un-famous they can't be booked in a FREE show. Then the drug abuse will begin. Then one of them will probably pose in Playboy for some quick cash. They'll try to stage a "comeback", but the drugs will take care of that (plus no one will care). More drug abuse, then some more drugs, then perhaps being arrested for drugs, eventually they'll "find God", and ten to twenty years later we'll see their VH1 "Behind the Music" specials. A comeback will still elude them.
Come to think of it, you could probably plug any of the popular artists of today into this equation. Ricky Martin, you may be the next Leif Garrett, so watch out!

The Cuban Boy: I know this is sort of a dead issue here, but I was gone for the remainder of last week, so let me clear up my views on the matter. I do think it is sad in the way that the boy has been politically manipulated. But I still would like him to remain here, cause I'm nationalistic, and I will always feel that a mundane life in America (or it's democratic equivalent) is better than *any* life in a Communist country. You know what good ol' John Wayne always said--"F@#$ Communism." I want what's best for the boy, and under that line of thinking, that's how I feel.
I am somewhat surprised by how the party lines are falling on the issue, though. Many Republicans want to see him stay, while several Democrats say he should go back. For some reason, I would think it would be the other way around. (Someone should tell the Evil Party that compassion has no place in their platform ;)

Nuke the Fae: Again, a dead subject, but I didn't get to say my piece when the discussion got more involved. I agree that the fae need to be taught the value of *all* life. As for a war with the fae...it would ultimately turn out horribly. I see one of two ends to such a conflict: 1) The Humans would ultimately hunt down and kill all Fae, securing their freedom from any current or potential fae oppressors, but at the cost of several million (perhaps a couple billion) lives. The fae have a loooot of power, and in a war with them, the death toll would be catastrophic (unless we hit them hard and fast). Or 2), the Fae would defeat the humans, but many of their numbers would die, and millions (perhaps a couple billion) of humans would perish. And most of the Earth would probably be a wasteland. The Fae would win, but they couldnt' claim it a victory, as most of their potential subjects would be dead and their land would be devastated.
Either way, though, I don't see things ever really progressing to the point where either side initiates an act of war against the other. There are still many fae who have no real desire to dominate humanity, just to occasionally play around with it (that doesn't make it right, but I think for every Madoc you meet, you'll probably find at least a few Pucks). And humans wouldn't want to fight such powerful enemies--more like figure out ways in which to manipulate them to their own ends. That, I must say, is humanity's greatest ability in situations like this--if we can't kick something's ass, we'll do our damndest to make sure we control it instead.
Ultimately though, I'm not against laying the proverbial smackdown on certain fae members. I still say someone needs to introduce an iron boot to Oberon's hiney.
Kitiana: I think Kaioto's point is that, in the original Gargoyle show....there WEREN'T a whole lot of good fae to be found. I'd say the vast majority of Oberon's children that we meet (especially on the Avalon tour) were...let's face it, they were largely @$$holes. Odin, Anansee, the Weird Sisters, the Banshee, Raven, etc, even Oberon, and yes, even Titania....all of them have real, real nasty streaks to them, if they're not out and out sadistic (like the Weird sisters seem to be). I agree with Kai in that most of the fae are nothing but spoiled brats that need to get their asses tanned with an iron paddle. Some are worth their weight in gold--Grandmother, Puck, Coyote--but others, IMO, are just too blatantly disrespectful for the welfare of others to be treated with anything but disdain.

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:40:45 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Sorrow: <> Aw, you're breaking my heart, ya little tease! ;) Thanks for the well wishing!
Tim Phipps
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:25:05 AM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Fire Storm> <<but keep the past weeks MP3's>>: That could be a problem, as I currently only have a five meg quota, and I don't want to get the sysadmins angry at me for being constantly over quota. It is the comp sci system after all. But then, my roomie does have slide privaleges...

Fun news - The stipends for marching band are in. I'm getting money!!!

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:11:21 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Gside: <And that's a calm one. If you think up a combination of random fattening food, add fries and a roll, it is quite likely that it has been made here>
Hmm... Philly cheese steak (with lots of cheese), Twinkees, cheese sticks, sauerkraut, gravy, onion rings and fries on a onion roll.
< Yes, but do they have fronts with the school's mascot portrayed prominantly with a bottle of Coke?>
No, but Macinac island is getting their own bottle design. It seems that Coke is sponsoring the island for the next 10 years.
<How often should I change the MP3?>
Well, I say daily but keep the past weeks MP3's on your site as a archive for those that missed them.

Delphi: As always, bad joke. Keep up the good work!

Robby: <the black background isn't changing>
WHAT?!? Why didn't you tell me you wanted to keep the background black! Now I have to change everything! Geez! I thought you said you wanted a background image of a naked Demona instead of a black background! <G> <Kidding!>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, January 17, 2000 11:42:58 PM
IP: t2-3.visitus.net

Okay... Official TGS stuff...

The changes coming to the CR- Those who are worried about a change in the format... DOn't worry. None of the rules are changing, the black background isn't changing, the colors aren't changing and the images to choose from aren't going away. Its a good change, and I'm just plugging it. Heee...

Next season for TGS series... Well, I can't give oficial dates for anything... But I suppose I can say this much... Timedancer is closest to finished as I believe almsot all the stories for it are written and many have illustrations already, its largely just a matter of edits and then it will be coming to you the soonest, shortly after Dark Ages finishes for the season. Possibly the very following week, or maybe a couple of weeks after depending on edits. But there's not much longer to wait on Timedancer... (Just don't quote me on that).

Pendragon is largely done where where writing is concerned, and season 3 of the main series is well underway. Its all in production, and we're working hard to make it the best season ever for every series...

Kitainia- WHo ever said I was going anywhere? I'm still here, just a bit too busy to comment every day or in as much detail as I used to... I read EVERYTHING, just don't exactly comment on everything like I used to... On holidays when I have free time tho...

Coyote- Gourry and the sword of light in a slash fic... Eww, that would get messy REAL quick...
Robby
Monday, January 17, 2000 11:18:24 PM
IP: spider-tp074.proxy.aol.com

Hi everybody. I've been having a little trouble getting in here with school, practice, and my computer always being down. Sorry. I *have* been a little depressed lately as Joe told you, it's actually stress, but I'll get through it. I always do. But one of my good friends might be pregnant, a friend-couple of mine might break up, and I've just heard some things about people I know that I really didn't want to hear. *sigh* You think you know people! And I have to take my SAT this Saturday...URK! At least it's not the last chance, with me only being a junior. So please send a hug and good luck, cause I need them. *sniff*

Xanathar, Wilek, & Kit> Thanks for the thoughts. I'm really lucky to be able to come in here everyday and there's always a shoulder to lean on. *group hug*

Tim P.> It was your birthday on the 15? Well, happy birthday to you! I need to postpone your spankings cause I'm too tired, but I *promise* they're coming to you :P

Dark Ages> Just read Serendipity. Very good story, and I squealed when the elders came into Asrial's shop (reddish male, short beak, silvering hair, probably Brooklyn's dad, hint hint hint)!

Joe> Oh lord. If you become a stripper, then I'll just stay in Austria! *kiss*

Goodnight, friends.
SOROW
Monday, January 17, 2000 11:13:09 PM
IP: dll2a010-0060.splitrock.net

Just found this link.... not going to say anything further. ;)
Jannie
Monday, January 17, 2000 10:59:31 PM
IP: 168-171-197-164.academicplanet.com

**RP HERE- YOU ARE WARNED**

In the back of the DLG's truck, which is speeding through the streets of Los Angeles, Bleach Man is smiling as he looks over his newest acquisition. "Yes!" he laughs. "Finally Jennifer Love Hewitt is mine! Hey Lint, pull over, let's get her some flowers for when she wakes up!" "Forget it, Lint," Socko countermands. "Let's just go home!" "Hey wait," Bleach Man complains. "I gotta make this girl happy!" "You already zapped her with that love ray gun," Static points out. "What more do you need to do?" "That can't be enough," Bleach Man shakes his head. "With girls, nothing is ever enough." "Scuse me, guys," Scrubber jumps in. "The lady's waking up early." "What?!" Bleach Man shouts, turning around as Jennifer Love Hewitt sits up and rubs her head. "Ugh, what happened?" "The best thing in your life, sugar," Static chuckles, punching Bleach Man in the shoulder. "Introduce yourself to her, man. Go on." Bleach Man smiles and says, "Uh, Jennifer, I am..." He stops as she looks at him with eyes of fire. "You! You're dead!" Without another word, Jennifer leaps at Bleach Man and begins pummeling him mercilessly. "Whoa!" Socko laughs. "She's really into you!" "Help!" Bleach Man shouts as Jennifer flips him over and puts him in a choke hold with lightning speed. "She's trying to kill me!" "Isn't that what you wanted?" Scrubber scratches his head. "No! Do something!" Bleach Man screams, struggling for air. Static sighs and hits Jennifer with a lightning bolt from his hands, knocking her and the screaming Bleach Man out of the laundry truck's open back doors. Lint Man slows down and backs up, and they quickly pick Bleach Man up as he scrambles out of the now unconscious on the pavement Jennifer's choke hold. "Something go wrong with the girl?" Socko asks him. "Shut up," Bleach Man growls, pulling the love ray out and throwing it out the back of the truck with an angry curse. "Let's just go home." Lint Man nods and drives away, shaking his head in confusion and relief. Behind them, Jennifer Love Hewitt, stands up with a concussion and blood coming out of her head, but fire still in her eyes. "Bleach Man," she mumbles as she watches the laundry truck depart. "Must destroy Bleach Man." She continues to mutter this declaration as she gets out of the street.

**COMING SOON- JENNIFER'S REVENGE. BUT FOR NOW WE MUST STOP THE RP**

Hi there CR dwellers. Hmm, what to say today? Well, I suppose a happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day will do for starters. Hope you all had a good one, Doug and I didn't really. We just finished the final round of errands we had to do before school starts tomorrow, and that was it. <sigh> King was a great man, and he certainly deserves a holiday in his name. I just wish it was on some day besides the last day of winter break. Maybe then my mind would have been on honoring his memory and not on making sure I had all the school supplies, textbooks and food we needed for the weeks ahead. <sighs again> Oh well, at least friends of nearly all races- black (Shap and Shauna), Hispanic (Elena, Tricia), Chinese-American (Keith), and white (the other Ravens) were around to help us with all the various trials. That spirit of cooperation and acting together without any kind of negative judgement on each other was surely something Dr. King would have liked. And tonight I'm posting again in a place where the same thing surely exists. People of all races and ethnicities, together as friends. The dream is here, and may it continue to exist forever. :)

Okay, now that that's been said, everyone please pray for me and Doug as we start the new semester tomorrow. We don't know how it will turn out yet and are hoping for good things. Please, friends, help bring them to life. We'll do the same for you. :)

Kaioto: Good points about the fay, though your overall attitude about them slightly troubles me. Yeah, the fay are power run amok and badly need some restraints on them, but they're not all bad. (That quote you've been ending your posts with is also getting old fast.) Anyway, I'm not going to start the dispute over whether the fay should live or die again. It's over, and it should stay over. But for the record, I will continue to applaud the elves who use their powers for good, in essence placing restraint on themselves for the betterment of all, and hope that the entire race someday follows their example. <prayer> (Also agree with Gunjack about Titania and Zath about the debate in general- thanks for the bits, friends.)

Xenatrek: Hey, don't cry over me. I hate tears like that. Or do them, your business. <shakes head, rolls eyes, and grins>

Jannie: Sorry I didn't say this earlier, but I have no problem with your using my name in a school assignment. In fact, I'm a little honored. :) Not sure where you can get more names, but the phone book is always a good place when all else fails. Congrats on handling the daughter situation once again, hope things soon improve with it. Good luck getting over your illness too, however long it takes. <sprays Sli Sludge with deadly antibiotic goop>

David G: Looking forward to your next story and Freelance 4 when they come out, hope they do soon. Good points on Coldsteel, I agree he's a villain who could use more attention. At the same time, though, just how far can a villain whose only motivation is proving that he's better than everyone else around him (and the only one who cares about this is the villain himself) go before he gets old? Antagonists like Madoc, Demona, Xanatos, Thailog, Castaway (yes, even Castaway), Roland, Dracon, Harthoth, etc. have always interested me more than Coldsteel has. No, I'm not saying he's a bad villain. He's just the type that's best in small occasional doses because he's just not that interesting on a continual basis. :( Still, I hope he comes back into TGS soon, and will eagerly be waiting for it. Hopefully the stories with him will be well-written and interesting, and won't have Coldsteel sticking around too long to get old. :)

Lexy: Good points on Coldsteel from you too, even though I disagree with you about manipulation being easy (as a practitoner of the craft on nearly every guy I've dated as well as my family and many of my enemies, I can tell you that Jannie's right- it's no cakewalk at all, especially when they're as smart as you are :). I also agree with you about Lex, he is a pretty intelligent guy. One reason I like him best of the Trio. Hope more TGS stories are ahead with him as a focus too. :)

Christine: That agent who dumped Black Roses needs some sense knocked into him. <sigh> Good luck self-publishing it as well as the rest of your work. Read Part 1 of Damien and found it a very surprising and entertaining story. Liked the plot and character development, can't wait for more and hope it comes soon. Good job on Becca's fan site, the pictures are excellent. Keep up the good work on all. :)

Robby: Changes? Well, change is inevitable. :) Hope that in this case it's worth the wait. In any case, I'll be missing you, so please come back soon. (Also missing GB, Atilla, Traveler, and SJ, hope they soon come back. I'd add DumlaoX to the mix, but I guess he's gone forever. <sighs> Oh well.)

SOROW: Well, I'm sorry the idea can't work, but thanks for appreciating it. I too am wondering about Fang, hope he soon comes back. Sorry to hear you haven't been feeling happy recently, don't know how I can brighten things up but this might help. <hugs> Let me know if you need anything else, as a friend I will always be happy to provide. :)

Elian Gonzalez: Good points on his situation since I commented, too bad there haven't been any developments. Still hoping it resolves itself soon, and agreeing with Skippy that the worst thing about this situation is how the Miami Cuban radicals are dealing with it. Frankly, I'm shocked they're even behaving how they are. To quote one Miami Herald columnist whose wisdom I often agree with, they're shooting themselves in the foot, and you can only do that so many times before you're crippled for life. <sighs> The age of stupidity in which we live.

Bill Gates' Downfall: He wants to step down as Microsoft CEO, his business. I just hope the new man is up to the task. :)

Deuce: I agree with you and that song about Ricky Martin, it describes the evil phenomenon that is that man better than I ever could. :) Don't care for its George Micheal line (yeah, the man's not that interesting but his songs are nice :), but otherwise great lyrics and music. :)

Weekend Media: Good movies this weekend for each of the top three classes of movie watchers. Those who like effects and don't care about plot or bad acting can watch Supernova (no, I haven't seen the movie myself and don't intend to, but judging by the previews, its target audience should like the movie. Can't believe its writer is getting the slot for Terminators 3, 4, and 5, hope he gets bumped once Supernova bombs. If it bombs, and it should bomb.); those who want films with good acting and plots with a point can see the Hurricane; and those who want excellently written films starring well-acted characters they can agree with should see Girl, Interrupted (last two films are very good, see Doug's post in last week's CR for more detailed reviews, or better yet go and see enjoy the movies :). So, as far as theater-goers go, everyone's happy. Not so Sunday night TV watchers, I'm afriad. X-Files last night had a cool well-written plot with surprising twists but it was the only high point of the evening. Simpsons had a good main plot that was made uninteresting by the addition of the college related-subplot, and there were no good movies playing on network TV. On top of that if I hear one more bit of hype about how Fox's newest family dreck comedy Malcolm in the Middle is the best show on television when it's only just started I am going to scream. All of the shows Fox canceled in the fall- Harsh Realm, Ryan Caulfield, Action, and yes, even Time of Your Life- were better-written, -acted, and -coreographed than this piece of...I only watched it once and do not plan to watch it again. Or any new show on Fox, at least until critics screw their heads on better. May that event please come soon. <groan>

Jewel: I agree with you that all that one of those pairs should not be Slashed (not going to say which one I would be interested in seeing, for fear of being set upon by angry mobs). Thanks for posting the list just the same. <grin> The site you've been working on looks great to me, good job on it so far. I'd list improvements, but I don't know what to say since I'm not really a qualified web critic. Hope someone who is comments on it soon. :) Also agree with you about the recent United Colors commericals, though there are lots of worse ones out there (most any 1-800-number one and the recent Big Words.com commercials come to mind).

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR NEW DARK AGES EPISODE**

Good job on Serendipity, TGS Staff. The pics were excellent (especially the one that wasn't loading, well worth the wait), and so was the writing. Particularly liked the development done on Goliath, Othello, Desdemona (pleasantly surprised that Iago wasn't involved in the latter two's development for once) and the hilarious scene with Asrial and Thersites. Cornelia was a good character too, though thanks to Pistoff I ended up confusing her somewhat with another character of the same name. :) Anyway, story's good, and I'm looking forward to the second half of it even though I know how parts of it are going to turn out. :) 9/10 on the first part of it, keep up the good work.

**DARK AGES SPOILERS END**

Joe: Thanks for the info about SOROW, hope she's feeling better soon. Next time please don't propose spankings as help for depression, though, okay? Even though I haven't been spanked in a long time, I can remember them never working for me. Or for anyone I know.

Stormy: Welcome back, missed you. Good job on the Transformers website.

Gyre: Weird spamfic. Good, but weird. :)

Coyote: Glad you're feeling happy, hope it continues into the weeks ahead. And spreads to other people as well. <grin>

And with that hope in mind, I'll end the post for tonight. May a good week lie in store for all of us, Later.

**MORE RP BEGINS NOW**

On the Avatar of Ganon, the Black Ravens join Wilek and Miriam in front of a large black space vessel that has just docked. "This is the one that sent the distress signal?" Doug asks, and Wilek nods. "We haven't got an explanation as to why they're in distress yet, but yes, this is it." "Hmm," Elena frowns. "I don't know what's going on, but I'm getting a very bad feeling about that ship." "Me too," Erin agrees. "Especially since I've played Starcraft, and this 'Protoss battlecruiser' looks very much like one from the game. Should they look that way in real life?" "Probably not," Gubio shakes his head, causing Wilek to raise an eyebrow as he considers the idea. "Guys!" Tricia breaks the moment. "Heads up! It's opening!" They all turn to see a door in the battlecruiser's hull sliding aside and a gangplank covered with red carpet coming down to hit the deck beside them. "Prepare to welcome the King of the World!" a voice shouts. "Shut up!" another one snaps. "Uh, that voice sounded familiar," Jammer observes. Wilek steps forward and says, "Uh, whoever you are on the ship, I'm the head officer of the Avatar of Ganon, I'm supposed to receive you. Could you come down and explain the distress call, please?" "There's nothing to explain," a figure says, appearing at the top of the gangplank and smiling as his face comes into the light. "It was faked." "Oh my God!" Stephanie drops her jaw. "That's Leo diCaprio!" "Please," Keith snaps, throwing up a hand to support her. "Don't faint." "I'm not going to," Stephanie snaps. "There are lots of guys who are better-looking, you included, I know there are. It's just that he's you know, here." "Excuse me, sir," Kitainia rolls her eyes, stepping to the front of the group. "Are you Leonardo diCaprio?" "Yes I am," diCaprio grins. "Indeed I am the man of whom you speak." He grins. "Okay," Kit nods. "What are you doing here?" "I'm looking for some people," Leo replies. "Specifically, a couple named Doug Elder and Lisa Telman." "Uh, that's us," Doug says, walking to Kitainia's side and putting an arm around her as she gives Leo a forced smile of confusion and shoots Doug a look that says "Something's not right" that Wilek and Miriam share. "What do you want from us?" Doug ignores it and asks. "It's not what I want," Leo snaps. "It's what my mistress and soulmate, the great and beautiful Asil wants. She wants you dead!" With that he draws a Glock machine pistol from his jacket before anyone can stop him and shoots Doug in the chest. "No!" Kit screams as he gasps and falls over, dropping to her knees and shaking Doug as his head slumps to the side. Leo laughs and aims the pistol at her but before he can fire a shot from Miriam hits him in the hand and knocks him back, the gun flying away. "Hold it right there, pal!" Jammer shouts, drawing his weapon in tandem with the rest of the Ravens, Wilek, and every Avatar employee close by them. "Yeah!" Wilek snaps. "This is a peaceful place. You can't just come in here and shoot someone!" Leo grins and raises his hands, not replying. Kit glares at him with vengeance in her eyes. "You know what?" her sister Stephanie snaps at Leo as she and the other Ravens surround Doug and Kit. "If you killed our friend...if he's dead, you're not getting out of here alive! I don't care if you are Leo diCaprio, you are dead!" "I'm also not alone!" Leo grins, snapping his good hand's fingers. Instantly doors open up all over the battlecruiser and screaming groupies and fans of Leo and several other celebrities come leaping out carrying automatic weapons and looking ready to do the bidding of their idols. A stage rises out of the top of the ship, and on it is a band composed of rapper Sean "Puff Daddy" Combs and many of his proteges, Cristina Aguilera with a bass guitar, and a naked man playing the bongo drums (Matthew McConaghey, of course). "Go!" Combs and his fellow rappers exhort the crowds to bad music from the others. "Kill! Kill them all! Crush! Destroy!" Wilek drops his jaw and takes a step back as the cheering fans raise their weapons and gleefully begin to open fire as Leo laughs and grins. The Ravens scatter to avoid the initial barrage, quickly taking cover before beginning to shoot back. "Doug, wake up!" Kit yells as she drags her apparently unconscious significant other behind a cargo container. "We got big trouble! This is no time to be unconscious! Please wake up!" Gunfire and bad music continues to echo around them as she bends down to check his pulse and the screen goes blank.

**NEXT RP- IS DOUG ALIVE OR DEAD? WHAT KIND OF CHAOS HAS LEO BROUGHT TO THE AVATAR? WAIT AND FIND OUT**
Kitainia
Monday, January 17, 2000 10:50:47 PM
IP: pool-207-205-147-51.dlls.grid.net

Infinity re AVP guide:Okay I just completed the level,what you have to do once you've destroyed the ships computer is run back that room where there's a large window looking out at the escape pod(It looks like the one Ripley used in Alien),once in the room you will notice that the cicular hatch to your right that was closed before is now open,proceed through the hatch and into the escape pod and that is that. :) (If your still unsure just ask :) )

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 17, 2000 10:49:08 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

**enters with a silly grin on his face, sits in the corner and grins more and more. Rosanna enters the room and pulls out a sheet of paper**

**ahem**
Due to overwhelming happiness incurred by an hour-long long-distance phone call to Brooklyn, Coyote has been rendered kind of ... well ... speechless. So he wrote down his remarks and asked me to read them to you. So here we go ...

Slash fics: Good list, Jewel, though Coyote suggests a couple more for the list ... Slayers fans should know these ones:
1. Gourry/Zelgadis
2. Lina/Martina
3. Amelia/Nahga
4. Gourry/Sword of Light. (All together now ... OUCHIE!! ;)

Stephen: Way to go! As ESPN.com has so dutifully pointed out, this year there's *definitely* going to be a new champion ... a new team will *certainly* have the Lombardi Trophy in their case, whether it be the Jags, Titans, Rams or your beloved Bucs. :)

Jewel: Good start on the site, just some layout concerns ye might need to address, but otherwise it's okay.

Aaron, re: Outklaws: Aye, they're in Cyrway's work. The full lineup (leader down to most recent members) being Mauser, Chaz, Magnum, Claymore, Smith, Wesson, Monika and (Coyote's personal favorite, since he gave her outright to Cyrway in WCC) Lina.

XenaTrek: He said he'd be looking for you, as soon as we got done making his post. Oh, and he passes this along ... **gets up alongside Rosanna, they take XenaTrek in a group hug**

Okay, that's all for now ... **leaves with Rosanna escorting him**
Coyote the Bando, via Rosanna - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, January 17, 2000 09:47:54 PM
IP: zzz-209252248204.splitrock.net

After the discussion of the past week, a discussion I had a small part in, it's time for some humor.

******Spamfic Warning******

Maeve didn't know how much more of this she could stand. Proper torture was one thing, but to sit, locked in a cell with a mirror that showed nothing but Oberon's speeches 24 hours a day, seven days a week, even the Unseelie had standards. The damn mirror even repaired itself when Maeve smashed it. So sick was she of that overblown wind bag that Meave perked up when the mirror showed something different. The voice of an announcer was heard.

Announcer:Welcome to the first addition of Avalon's premire investigative show where we answer the questions no one dares to ask. Tonight we pose the question "How did Loki really meet his end?" Until now shrouded in mystery, this recently acquired footage from the Eyrie Building's security system provides a startling new information.

The image in the mirror cuts to the scene of Brooklyn in the Eyrie Building with Loki. Loki is munching a huge sandwich only Broadway could love.

Brooklyn:Where did you get that?

Loki, munching the sandwich:This, what's it to you beak freak?

Brooklyn: 5, 4, 3, 2,....

He never gets to zero when a delirious Broadway enters the camera's field of view, a growling noise coming from his stomach. Broadway sniffs, then eyes Loki, advancing toward him.

Loki, starting to get concerned:Hey, why are you looking at me like that? I'm not your sandwich, remember? I'm Lpki, Unseelie trickster.

There is a horrifying scream as Broadway proceeds to tare off one of Loki's limbs, and eat it faster then Jaws can eat a boat. In seconds the specticle in over, and Loki is gone. Broadway lets out a loud burp.

Broadway:I don't feel so good.

Mirror cuts to the announcer.

Announcer:Well, there you have it, the shocking truth. Tune in tomorrow where we answer the question, "Will the gargoyle have to have his stomach pumped?"

The mirror switches back to Oberon's speeches as Meave shakes her head mumbling,
"Nobody's stomach is that strong."

********End of Spamfic***********

I had to get this one out.:)

Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Monday, January 17, 2000 09:38:53 PM
IP: 208.31.40.219

Staff> Uh...for some reason I can't get into the archive. It's asking for a password and user name and the design is different (and new), and I can see the next few episodes. Is this happening for anybody else??? I'm not apart of the staff either, even though it's acting like I am. What's going on?
Anne
Monday, January 17, 2000 09:30:54 PM
IP: 209-130-164-40.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Infinity:Okay,I'll go and install the game,I'll post the guide A.S.A.P. :)

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 17, 2000 08:21:29 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

That was supposed to be Quarrylhammer! I hate typos!
Infinity
Monday, January 17, 2000 07:43:46 PM
IP: nltc-57-27.nltc.net

grrrr... raises Guarrylhammer to smash monitor.

Xanathur if it's not too much trouble I think I may take you up on your offer to help me beat this level in AVP. I looked everywhere but couldn't find that lift down to the Captain's pod. It would help me a lot if you could give me directions.

Guide- Ack! Now I can't get that freakin song outta my head!
Infinity - [bethmg@nltc.net]
Monday, January 17, 2000 07:41:13 PM
IP: nltc-57-27.nltc.net

good afternoon everyone

Warpmind>>YES, Travolta- he was in the bib overalls with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth giving Oberon one of his really great "bad boy" looks during that scene of Kaito's LOL :)

Gside>>Fat Koko, wow sounds great send one my way!!! I havn't had a really good philly since I left PA

I was beginning to think my joke pipeline had dried up, but today there were 6 new jokes in my mail, some I can't post in here.....but if anyone would like a copy...email me.

on to Van Gogh's relatives....

>After much careful research it has been discovered that the
artist Vincent Van Gogh had many relatives.
Among them were:
> > His obnoxious brother, Please Gogh
> > His dizzy aunt, Verti Gogh
> > The brother who ate prunes, Gotta Gogh
> > The brother who worked at a convenience store, Stop n'Gogh
> > The grandfather from Yugoslavia, U Gogh
> > The brother who bleached his clothes white, Hue Gogh
> > The cousin from Illinois, Chica Gogh
> > His magician uncle, Wherediddy Gogh
> > His Mexican cousin, Amee Gogh
> > The Mexican cousin's American half brother, Grin Gogh
> > The nephew who drove a stage coach, Wellsfar Gogh
> > The constipated uncle, Cant Gogh
> > The ballroom dancing aunt, Tan Gogh
> > The bird lover uncle, Flamin Gogh
> > His nephew psychoanalyst, E Gogh
> > The fruit loving cousin, Man Gogh
> > An aunt who taught positive thinking, Wayto Gogh
> > The little bouncy nephew, Poe Gogh
> > A sister who loved disco, Go Gogh
> > His Italian uncle, Day Gogh
and last, but not least- my personal favorite
> > And his niece who travels the country in a van,
Winnie Bay Gogh

catch ya'll next time

Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Id
Monday, January 17, 2000 07:14:37 PM
IP: twin58nn.magiclink.com

Christine- G2K ya say?? *grins* *cant wait*

<------------*faints dead at the very site*
Lexy
Monday, January 17, 2000 05:48:58 PM
IP: abd56c1a.ipt.aol.com

Warpmind> <<minor inaccuracy in the lens of my eye>>: Astigmatism? I think I've got one of those in addition to my myopia (I can't read the large print at the top of the add comment form without my glasses).
<<I'm completely oblivious to the whole darn situation>>: What a joy it must be to live outisde the US.
<<I'd be interested in the part of the scribe>>: Fight you for it? Oh, wait I can't fight but you can... hmmm...
Latinus Peculiaris: Hey, I have "Quidid latine dictum sit, altum viditur" printed out and hanging on my wall (next to my name in Angerthras).

Fire Storm> Fat sandwiches: All together. And that's a calm one. If you think up a combination of random fattening food, add fries and a roll, it is quite likely that it has been made here, it has a strange name with a Fat- prefix, and it has been delivered a 2 in the morning somewhere on campus. If you ever come within 50 miles of Rutgers, do not leave without visiting the Grease Trucks!
<<especially in the vending machines>>: Yes, but do they have fronts with the school's mascot portrayed prominantly with a bottle of Coke?

How often should I change the MP3? Among me and my roomies, I could probably change it one a day for a couple years without repeating. Check my link for the Time Warp.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, January 17, 2000 05:22:00 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Jannie: >> Got your email, doing a little 'research' for you on the Dinner Theatre... I've thinking of going to it, but have yet to find anyone to come with me to it. Its also quiet expensive too (I think its like $40 (eek!) plus all the beer and wine you can drink)... I have the booklet on it. I'll email you either later tonite or first thing tomorrow morning.

Coyote: > I think I'm up to my limit on the 'free' phone calls from this place. So I may or may not be on tonite. See ya either tonite or tomorrow. *hugs*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, January 17, 2000 04:57:07 PM
IP: spider-to052.proxy.aol.com

Phipps: I know this is no consolation, but do you know how REALLY screwed up the fan-fic archive is? I am afraid to help, with how bad it is! (250+ authors, average of 10 stories each, and the near possibility of having to edit out the 3 bad copies from the one good one by hand� eek!)
<Any suggestions where I can buy some real cheap?>
I also like Shopper.com

Jannie: <heh, life could be worse... it could be snowing here ;) I hate snow. It's 80 degrees here today.>
Oh fine� rub it in. ;)

Gside: <Therefore, that is about 1000 Megatons.>
Hmm� that is quite a bit of damage. A 1 Gigaton bomb?
<At Rutgers, Coke owns your soul.>
Coke has owned my soul for a long time now anyway.
<Fat Koko=Philly steak, mozzerella sticks, fries, and marinara sauce on a 6" roll.>
All of that on a single roll, or are the fries and cheese sticks separate?

Coke: Oh yeah, the local high schools are under contract to serve only Coke, especially in the vending machines.

Coyote, XenaTrek: Yeah, I confused the Hall of Fame with the new Rotunda. Sorry.
LM's father is given tickets for that place all the time and he has yet to go to the Hall of Fame.

Pistoff: At least your ISP troubles are (hopefully) ending.
<*blinks* I have one, and never had any problems with it...>
Hmm� Well, when we sold them at Depot, we had a MASSIVE return rate on any Lexmark printer under $200. ALSO, at least in this area, cartridges are near impossible to find most of the time. Who knows why.

Ya know, you never really appreciate a headset for a phone until you are on hold with tech support for hours on end.

Christine: <Damien>
I like the story! Although, given the title of the story, one can only assume that it's a boy.
(You will also excuse me if I use the name Damien in some future stories. The discussion of Creativity Damiens over a year ago set me with the name, thanks to what you said!)

Gunjack: <but I'm not sure if even that would work...>
Well, even if only 50% percent of the total power was realized, 500 megatons is far more than enough to do the job.
< it wouldn't be that hard to build a REAL pulse rifle!>
Yeah. Although, the hardest part would definitely be the production of all of those caseless rounds, and the tracking sensors for the gun� OH� you meant a PROP of the real thing! Sorry! My mistake! <G>

Xanathar: <Guys,I just heard that Bill Gates has stepped down as head of Microsoft(in that He's quit as CEO)>
I do not believe it. It has to be a trick of some sorts. At the very least, he will still maintain full control of the company, but he just will not be a figure head for the company.
<changes of the transparent,turn up out of nowhere and scare the c@#p! out of you variety,I think you'll know what I'm talking about>
You don't know how much ammo and Psi power I wasted trying to kill those things the first 3 times I saw them!
<SS2 does kinda' kill your social life doesn't it. :)>
Been there, won that, waiting for the editor, and gonna try getting through the game without SUMMON_OBJ Standard clip

Aaron: <FS, I know what it sounds like, but the check is in the mail. Really>
Coolies. And hey, with how long I took doing it, I don't mind waiting.

Yggdrasil: <but.....I ..don't know......how ......Long>
You must not fight it. It is your destiny. Resistance is futile!

Robby: <CHANGES ARE COMING TO THE CR! WATCH FOR THEM!>
YES! With any luck, VERY soon (as in this week) <Crosses fingers>

Toku Kaioto: <the Scene>
Nicely done. From what I have seen, most of the authors who write about religious events are very careful to do it well.

Saturday was my Great-grandma's 95th birthday party. YEAH! When I was there, my aunt (with a high alcohol/blood content) PINCHED MY BUTT! WTF?
Also, I wish I had a picture of my cousins shirt� a standard long sleeve shirt underneath, and a top one that ONLY HAD ONE ARM! The other arm just sorta hung out from underneath the shirt. Weird, eh?

Jewel: <Characters We *Don't* Want to See "Slash"ed>
Slashed? Killed or sex? If sex� I have seen more than half of those stories already written.
Oh� so it IS sex!

Brooklyn: <Word is there's a new series coming on TV>
Where did you hear this rumor? I am sure that Greg would be surprised to hear that!

Joe Boxer: <wait a minute...coooool:)>
ROFL!

Warpmind: <Dude, the DOOM games were designed to run on a 386>
But not very well.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, January 17, 2000 03:35:02 PM
IP: t2-6.visitus.net

Spike- regarding the pic of Othello and Desdemona-- WOW!!

Hey Aaron!!
jenna
Monday, January 17, 2000 03:27:10 PM
IP: unknown-31-157.glm.com

Oops.

Warpmind> Smith and Wesson are two of the Outklaws from the works of Amy K. Cyrway. They can be seen under her name, Caligo and Wagner, the joint Cyrway/Stormy multiverse, and in Coyote's When Clans Collide.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Monday, January 17, 2000 03:26:35 PM
IP: ppp-437.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Aaron walks into the CR and starts beating his head against the wall.

After a while, he has put a fair sized dent in both of them, and falls backwards onto the couch.

Arghhhhhhhhhhh! I *finally* finished my fic, and now I can't get the thing to upload. The archive says it's been added, but when I go to check, all I can get is the description with a big empty space. I've got it in html format, and I've tried uploading it from a floppy and from the hard drive. Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? Please.

I think I'll do the replies from down here. It's more comfortable.

Skippy> Elian> Right on.

Stephen> I love the Bucs pirate ship. If you mated it with a modern battleship, you'd have the battleship/sub from Blue Submarine 6.

Jannie> I don't know what to say about your daughter. Hugs.

AotN> Depp as Raistlin, eh? I could see that. My personal pick would be David Theulis (sp) (The prince from Dragonheart)

Later.

Aaron leaves, to continue to load his fic.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, January 17, 2000 03:19:30 PM
IP: ppp-437.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

The second picture for this week's episode has been posted up. We apologize for the delay. Enjoy.

Fuzzles,
Tony "Marlos" Teakles
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Monday, January 17, 2000 02:42:04 PM
IP: on-tor-blr-a58-03-1175.idirect.com

*Warpmind comes in, wearing a Tea-Kwon-Do uniform, and moving in Poomse patterns. Maggie-chan glides in next to him, giggling.*
Hi, guys. Reason I wasn't here this weekend is that I've been visiting a friend of mine. He taught me a few Tae-Kwon-Do block/lock/drop and block/lock/throw combos, plus a couple of sai techniques. And to top it off, he gave me his old uniform, which fits like a glove. (He's got the Red Belt, and is authorized to train people, just in case you wondered.) And before you ask, the techniques he's taught me so far are purelu self-defense. All the tricks are based upon the opponent attacking first. :)

On to the important business, namely replies.

Gyre: When I said that a nuke might not do to wipe out Avalon, I said so because Avalon seems to be made out of magic, and has regenerative abilities. Thus if the nuke fails to get all of Avalon in one boom, the island might be back in business in a very short amount of time. Not even counting the fact that if the nuke contains no iron particles, Oberon and that lot would probably just use magic to keep the missile away. And besides, the nuke wouldn't really be all that cost-effective, either.

Selanit: Oy! I resemble... uh, resent that remark. True the fey in Gargoyles are based upon human characteristics, but I do most certainly not see only the bad. I'm a hopeless optimist (never mind that it is a contradiction of terms), and as such, I see both benefits and disadvantages of having the fey around. I'm not on the front line of wasting them, not in a million years. If I'm still around by then, we can get back to the discussion.

Jenna: Uh, actually, I left out a bit there... I meant to finish up by stating that while Demona usually runs by this theory, it does not necessarily contradict the presence of creative intelligence. After all, I presume that some amount of creative intellect is necessary to even cast the most miniscule of spells... The reason I only made the start of that previous comment is that I obviously got distracted, and then moved on to the next point on the agenda... Sorry.

Tim P.: Actually, I have no intention of writing any fic involving an armed invasion of Avalon. But, I'll keep that site in my adress list, for any purpose. And by the way... the Jackie Chan movies are SUPPOSED to be ridicolous. I mean, the guy's humor talent is only equal to his martial arts skills! But I appreciate the link; I'll read the page more thoroughly when I have the time.

Fire Storm: Dude, the DOOM games were designed to run on a 386. And besides, you don't have to run them in the smallest window; there's a nifty hi-res/lo-res function in the game that is useful on slower machines.

*Warpmind reads his e-mail, spotting something from Pistoff.* Well, if you don't hear from me in a while, I've moved to Guam. ;)

Aaron: Well, far preferrable to both the Way of S&W and the Way of the Sword is the Way of the A-10. Besides, I am far better in unarmed mutilat... uh, combat than with any form of weaponry. Actually, I have yet to find those stories about Smith and Wesson in the archive (name of author would be appreciated; I only follow a few series so far, TGS not counting) and want to see just how much of a smartass the two can be. And as for the T-shirt, well, if we put it like this: I'll pay for the shirt, the postage and the actual job (including the materials) for the printing, I think we may have a very sweet deal. Did I mention I'm a size Large? ;)

Gside: It was Gyre and not you? My mistake (obviously)!

Pistoff: I might MiST one of yours for episode 4 of Demona's Payback... if you don't mind, that is. Right now, Mara is (or should be, whichever applies) MiSTing one of my fics. Don't know which one, but I'm anxious to see the result. Funny, now I get one of those rare cases of nervosity. As for Event Horizon... uh... ok... I'll admit to agreeing with some of your points there, but frankly, I think the movie had at least a few good sides. Like some of the quotes, for instance. And that guy... uh, whatsisname, he was in Jurassic Park, I remember that much, but I can't recall his name. Anyways, one of the most amusing quotes in the movie must have been "G'morning. Would you like something hot and black in you?" *Finger.* "Well, how about some coffee, then?" *Finger again.* Not a movie I'd buy, but It was worth seeing once, actually. And as for your job trouble... I'll see what I can do. I have a few contacts; I might be able to get you a job in the PR division of a medium-sized company. ;) But don't hold your breath, okay? Oh, and I *know* what you're saying can't cause blindness. Heck, I need glasses, but that is due to a genetic flaw causing a minor inaccuracy in the lens of my eye (can't think of the medical word for it; maybe it's my coffee) and not... well, that other thing. ;)

Gunjack Valentine: Dude, Fox was visiting Titania, who was the person behind developing the Matrix. Xanatos Enterprises had nothing to do with the development of those nanites. And I agree with you that using an edged weapon DOES have its very own appeal.

Wilek: Great, I mixed up the Administrator and Agent Rho... oh, well. No biggie, I hope. And as for printing the T-Shirt design... dude, B/W printer... no colors. No good, man. Now, I suppose I ought to store the pic to hard drive, just in case... *Starts digging through the old CR.* Weird... seems there's something wonky goin' on with the old CR... can't seem to find the post with the colored pic... I *know* it *was* there, but I can't find it... Odd... Ah, there I found it; using the History log of Netscape (gotta love it) to find the addy for the pic... *Ogle.*

*Warpmind looks at Xanathar's comment about his computers.* Xanathar, buddy, come here, will ya? I have some Modern Arnis techniques I want to try... *Warpmind cracks his knuckles and stretches every possible joint so soften up before moving in to mercilessly clobber Xanathar. Halfway there, Warpmind crashes with DC. "Xanathar, you're lucky." Warpmind then uses those combat techniques to efficiently disassemble DC with his bare hands.* Ahhh, much better...

Zath: Someone going 24 MpH in a single jog isn't entirely unimaginable... just depends on what is chasing that person... ;)

David G.: Actually, if you got MacBeth mad at you, he'd be a bit more likely to just let bygones be bygones than Demona would be... ;)

Christine: Well, don't that just *Bleep bleep BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEP bleep bleep Bleep* to get yet another rejection letter? *Warpmind hands Christine the Brass Knuckle of Publisher Administration Mark V (The Mark VI broke) for use on the guys who keep rejecting Black Roses.*

Toku: When you made the comment about Archangel Michael waiting on Avalon... I suddenly imagined the Michael from the John Travolta movie by the same title. Anyone seen it? It is kinda fun. Weird, but fun. ;)

Cuban Boy debate: Okay, I've seen several posts on the subject, and in case you wonder... I have NO idea what this is all about. So don't ask me my opinion; I'm completely oblivious to the whole darn situation.

Christine: Just took a look at your updates; I'd be interested in the part of the scribe, and my name, Marius, would seem rather fantasy-ish too, no? Keep us updated on this auction deal, will ya?

Wilek again: Actually, Bill Gates' old "second-in-command" will become the new CEO of Microsoft. Funny thing is, the new CEO uses Macs in his own home. :) And when you suggest Christine should nail a dead animal to the publishers' door... better make it a big one, no? Something bigger than a raccoon.

Gside: Ah, you're into Latinus Peculiaris, too? (Odd Latin, for you non-initiated) ;) My fave would be "Veni, vidi, velcro" or in English: I came, I saw, I stuck around.

Delphi: You got the image of Travolta in the Oberon/Michael scene, too? Whad'ya say we split an apple pie? ;)

Jaden: You're stuck in the neighbourhood of people asking you to act normal, too? Bah, those infuriatingly common MUNDANES! I'm with you; normality is boring.

Skippy: I think the Worf/Lwaxana Troi fic has been done... sorry, dude. I seem to recall seeing it somewhere (I found it by mistake) and it was TERRIBLE! No proofreading, completely mishandled characterization and an extremely shallow plot, even for its category.

Puck the Trixter: Although Christine Morgan is an excellent fanfic author, her novels are only through one crossover of hers, titled Shameless Plug, in any way connected. And, in that fic, the Gargoyles characters are drawn into her novel's universe, which means... something profound, I'm sure, but I can't really think of anything right now. Anyway, her novels have nothing to do with fandom whatsoever.

Wilek: Well, something seems wonky with that WAV file... open it in new window and nothing. Just a JAVAscript error. *Grumble.*

Well, at the end of replies... at last. I'll probably check back tomorrow; right now there's a few drops of Scotch Whiskey that has aged for twelve years, and I'll be damned if I let it age any longer. But first: an RP!

**RP**
Warpmind de InzanE and Wilek part their ways; Warpmind to "settle in", Wilek to do some work. As Warpmind reaches his newly-assigned quarters, he looks around at all the convenient furniture and grins.
"Yup, I could really like it here. But I think it lacks some of my personality; some of my memorablia would fit in here perfectly."
Warpmind then digs into his little, grey backpack and pulls up something huge and black before hanging it on the wall, quickly followed by what seems to be a weapon, and a few items similar to the first one, only smaller. Eventually, Warpmind looks proudly at the trophies on the wall; one xenomorph queen skull, flanked by two drone skulls on each side, and a M41-A pulse rifle hung underneath.
"Perfect. I can unpack the rest later; now I feel like enjoying something alcoholic."
A small hatch opens, and a glass and a bottle of unidentifiable blue contents pop out on a small tray. A voice drones out through an unseen speaker.
"A taste of Altarian Wine, Consultant?"
Warpmind looks around.
"Uh, actually, I'd be happier if you gave me the directions to the bar..."
"The bar is located in the R&R area of the Avatar. Would you like me to direct you there?"
"Uh, no thanks, computer. I've been there already, and, if you don't mind, I kind of prefer talking to someone with a face when I'm lost. No offense."
"None taken."
Warpmind heads out the door, glancing warily at the hatch as it closes. As he leaves, he collides voilently with Wilek. Again.
"Dude, this is becoming a habit."
"My apologies, Wilek. Is there something you... and these friendly-looking Borg... wanted?"
"Nothing big, I hope. The computers detected a minor energy/mass fluctuation in the room's grid. Know anything about it?"
"No, I... wait, it was probably when I fetched some of my belongings from storage; my backpack contains a teleportation device for dead matter. Sorry."
"So, you brought aboard what?"
"Oh, just some memorablia. Care to have a look?"
Warpmind motions for the door to open.
"Sure, I... WHOA!"
"Oh, don't worry. They're just trophies."
"How... never mind, I don't want to know how you got these."
"Fine by me. It was fun while it lasted, though. And before you ask, that gun is just a replica from the model used in the Aliens movie. The skulls... well, it's a long story."
"I can believe that. Now, where were you headed now?"
"R&R section, actually."
"You forget we still have Kaioto and SJ to find?"
"Rats, that's right. Very well, let the hunt begin."
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, January 17, 2000 02:35:17 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Stomry: "Slash". Umm. The best succinent definition I've read of it comes from parascope.com's "Fortean Slips"--there was a article about all the Kirk/Spock slash and theories about why people write slash (and once again, I learned how dangerous it can be to follow link. Aiya, the things I found....). And so, without further ado...

"The category of fan fiction...is known as 'slash.' One FAQ list defines slash as 'fan-written fiction that posits that characters of the same sex from a media show are sexually involved with each other.' The name derives from the practice of indicating the initials of the characters who get intimate in a given story, such as 'K/S,' or Kirk 'slash' Spock. The term has also been intellectualized as having connotations of 'slashing' into the hidden subtext of conventional pop culture iconography and so forth. Fan fiction about speculative romances between characters of opposite sexes is called 'het,' or 'gen,' which I guess means 'general' or 'generic.'"
jewel
Monday, January 17, 2000 01:33:56 PM
IP: atlnb110-34.splitrock.net

Hey everyone...I'm back from vacation, and yeah, I know I didn't post last week, but I was working on this *points to link* Anyone here who's a Transformers fan, G1 or Beasties, take a look!

Jannie: At the very least you know your daughter is alive and well. That in itself is something to be thankful for. Best wishes for the future.

Ok, I don't get it...What is this "Slash" thing? What does the slash mean?

Good to be back!
Stormy
Monday, January 17, 2000 11:46:51 AM
IP: pc21.huron.uwo.ca

Hi all!!

Maybe I'm just being paranoid but did my last post seem a little rude(It wasn't supposed to sound like that,It was supposed to be an honest well-mannered question),I just can't shake the feeling that my words were'nt well chosen :(.
Anyway today's Darkages story was good and I can't wait to read the next part!:).

Jannie re daughter:I have no idea what you must be going through right now but I hope this helps some*HUGS*:(

jewel:Your right,those slash fic combinations were awful!*Shudder*

Infinity re Aliens Vs Predator:It was my pleasure to help you Infinity :).As for getting off the Ferarco,what you have to do is find the captains escape pod,it's been a while since I played the game and I don't remember the exact route,but I do remember having to go down a lift and the killing a bunch of androids(If you want,I'll re-install the game and play through to that spot,I'll have no trouble remembering it then. :) )

Fire Storm:<>SS2 does kinda' kill your social life doesn't it. :)

SOROW:CHEER UP!!!,Don't make me come all the way over there just to spank ya',It's a long walk and my feet will hurt(Propably get alittle wet too!) ;)

Jaden:Get well soon.:(

C'yas' later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 17, 2000 07:02:26 AM
IP: exip-t-013-p-84-46.tmns.net.au

Jaden> <<Always saying "Why can't you act normal?" or "Why can't be like everyone else?">> Oi...that is the most annoying remark of the bunch. Who CARES about acting 'normal' or 'like everyone else'?! :/ $<<Right now I'm just making up short term plans and making things up as the RP goes along.>> That's how I've been doing it almost from the beginning. ;P $

Doug> <<School for us starts next Tuesday of course, so this is our last weekend as free people. For another semester anyway.>> Ack...my condolences, kids; I know what that place can do to people...

Jannie> Daughter> :`( This...this must be horrible for you. <hugZ> I hope your brother is right about her starting to realize just how badly she's treated you.

Jewel> <<Characters We *Don't* Want to See "Slash"ed>> ACK...<shudder> Bennington ads> Dear *gods*...

Skippy> <> Um...does it count as a slash fic if the participants are different genders?

Elian Gonzalez> There's just one thing I wanna know: What does *he* want?

Gside> <<I've always wondered why Puck didn't get more mileage out of the "protect Alexaner" clause. i.e.: "The gargoyles protect the castle; Alexander lives in the castle; therefore the gargoyles protect Alexander; the gargoyles need help; if I help the gargoyles, they can protect Alexander more efficiently; therefore, by helping the gargoyles, I am protecting Alexander.">> Something like that was actually done in my second fic (which isn't very good, but oh well). :)

Joe Boxer> <<SOROW hasn't been feeling very happy lately so it's our job to cheer her up by giving her a spanking or two.>> :( <hugZ SOROW> I'm afraid I don't do spankings, but hopefully that served just as well. :)
Wilek Nereus - [<--Lexy's Backstreet Boys sound clip (for anyone who missed it last week]
Monday, January 17, 2000 03:16:03 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

****BEGIN RP!!!****
*CLICK* *CLICK* "Why isn't this stupid thing working!?" Jaden yells crushing the remote. "Must have been disarmed, better go make sure. Um...after I visit a shower of course."
****END RP!!!****

Oh I must remember to thank my sister for giving me this cold that I feel coming on. I really don't like colds my throat is getting sore and my nose has turned into one big drip.

Doug- Don't worry, I wanted it disarmed. Went along just the way I wanted it to. Right now I'm just making up short term plans and making things up as the RP goes along. But I do plan to have more surprises.

Brooklyn- The reason why there are no new TimeDancer eps. is because the next "season" isn't ready. Think of it like a TV show, they show reruns of past episodes in-between each season.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 17, 2000 02:16:46 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

*Delurks*

Where's this weeks Darkages story?,it's not up in the latest episode section yet.:(
Has anybody got a link to it?*Hopes*

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 17, 2000 02:11:47 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

HEY PEOPLES. SOROW hasn't been feeling very happy lately so it's our job to cheer her up by giving her a spanking or two.

Kit:....take me along?...mmm. that would be interesting.

SOROW: I LOVE YOU

HEY, I MIGHT HAVE TO QUIT SCHOOL AND BECOME A STRIPPER TO RAISE MONEY FOR SOROW'S TRIP!....wait a minute...coooool:)
JOE BOXER
Monday, January 17, 2000 01:14:45 AM
IP: spider-tj051.proxy.aol.com

Darn it! Stupid page didn't load all the way... guess I didn't make it. :-P
Blue Caeru
Monday, January 17, 2000 01:10:25 AM
IP: spider-tn074.proxy.aol.com

Top Ten at last! :-)
Blue Caeru
Monday, January 17, 2000 01:09:15 AM
IP: spider-tn074.proxy.aol.com

*thump*

Owww ...
Toku Kaioto
Monday, January 17, 2000 01:08:06 AM
IP: 1cust57.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Puck > as others have said, no, I don't write Gargoyle books, just darn-near novel-length fanfic ; ) It's at http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/garg_fan_fiction.html
But I do have a book, Curse of the Shadow Beasts. It is non-Garg-related (like Lexy said, getting the rights would be way more than I can afford and besides, Greg would about croak on the spot if anyone but him were allowed to do it). Plenty of info on my book can be found at http://www.sabledrake.com

Lexy > sequel debut G2K ; )

Becca's Lex Page > oh, she loves it, she is very happy! And she is enjoying the e-mails she's gotten. Next step is to add a list of links to other peoples' Lex pages, so send 'em along!

Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:49:36 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

top 10 (seventh?)

*goes back to macking rings*
Gunjack Valentine
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:47:21 AM
IP: 4.50.182.237

7th

JOE BOXER
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:46:30 AM
IP: spider-tj051.proxy.aol.com

6th
early today
see link for rhps
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:40:39 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Top 10?
Wilek
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:30:15 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

YIPPPEE!! 4th!! TOP TEN at least! =p~
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:23:58 AM
IP: 98cf82b6.ipt.aol.com

Top Ten!!
AotN
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:22:18 AM
IP: fn-39-62.sssnet.com

Well, TOP TEN!

I will read last weeks CR soon. I have just been busy with RL stuff and wipping Xerxes/SHODAN's collective cyber-butts!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:22:10 AM
IP: 216.90.45.185

FIRST!!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:20:53 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Greetings everyone. Tonight's episode, as fate would have it, is:

Serendipity, pt 1
Written by Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
with illustrations by Christi Smith Hayden

(Note: One of the images doesn't load at the moment... we know. It'll be posted as soon as possible and a notice of such will be posted here.)
Tony "Marlos" Teakles
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Monday, January 17, 2000 12:18:49 AM
IP: ts7-73t-2.idirect.com