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Jannie; Glad the situation with your daughter is finally starting to look up! Hope things keep improving in your life.

Bengali; Yup. I've seen The Prince of Egypt too. The CGI animation was pretty nicely done. It was kind of sad to see the rift growing between Ramses and Moses considering how close they were at the beginning but at least Dreamworks didn't sugarcoat it, as Disney would have.
Infinity
Sunday, February 6, 2000 10:11:52 PM
IP: nltc-57-85.nltc.net

Hi all! Just thought I'd let everyone know, Greg has posted the results of the "Alone" contest. Make sure that you go check it out.
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Sunday, February 6, 2000 10:03:06 PM
IP: 98cf3a90.ipt.aol.com

Wow. Sux to be Fox Mulder.

The Religion Issue: I don't want to sound rude or anything, but we have all voiced one opinion or another, so can't we PLEASE call it a dead issue, for a few days at least?

*looks in mirror in dismay, seeing all the grey hair that shouldn't be there for YEARS yet* oh, well, so much for vanity.

*curls up in corner*
Shade and Sweet water
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Sunday, February 6, 2000 09:58:57 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

bengali- pretty much said all I did on this topic already- If your going to talk about this, you need to at least have the text cited, so there can be some ground for discussion
jenna
Sunday, February 6, 2000 08:48:53 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-143-144.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

Jannie>I forgot to say this before but I'm glad to hear that everything is working out, you're in my thoughts, maybe not my prayers since I dont pray but you're in my thoughts *hugs*.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 04:11:13 PM
IP: spider-wi074.proxy.aol.com

I just dowloaded Ultima IV on CNET dowloads, it's a really old game but it is really cool, the graphics leave much to be desired but the story and premise of the game are great. The object of the game is to become an avatar, which means no stealing, attacking innocent people, running from battles, cheating the blind herbs woman and such and you must improve the 8 virtues by giving to beggars and meditating at the 8 shrines etc, etc, etc. Sure, there are battles along the way but the true challenge of the game is to live up to the 8 virtues. It's a really tough game and in order to beat it you must follow the 8 virtues, find the 8 runes and some other things and in the end you must throw the skull of mondain into the stingian abyss. Overall a great game.

I rented "The Prince of Egypt" from Blockbuster, its a really good movie and the songs were not as bad as the critics said they were. The animation was some of the best I've seen in long time, the scene where the hieroglyphics come to life in Moses's dream was really well done.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 04:07:49 PM
IP: spider-wi074.proxy.aol.com

New MP3: Chicago's Feeling Stronger Every Day

Jannie: Glad to hear thing are starting to work out.

The Revered Mrs. Morgan> Great work on Damien, but

**SPOILER**When are you getting Demona Back**/SPOILER**

I feel like there sould be more for me to say, but I just can't see it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, February 6, 2000 03:57:54 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

WarpedMind: okay, point made about the biology. i was just puzzled by the phrase "weeks...months" thanks/okay.

WarpedMind: 1033AD? i'm sure that's a shock to the Vikings who took Christian wives {or husbands, since i don't offhand recall much in the way of gender-specific roles for their culture]....and then there's the Viking/Norse kings who were Christian.

I do admit, though, that the '1200' was probably not part of the Viking culture's high points. i do recall that they had roughly four centuries in this timeline. {which was how long Byzantine Culture was around - though the Vikings weren't decadant, contrary to their portrayal in Gargoyles}.

Note: i don't equate Viking = Norwegian, just as i don't say Roman = Byzantine. both of the latters {Norwegian & Byzantine} drew [heavily] from other cultures as much as - if not more than - their stem culture {Viking & Roman}. that was not intended as a flame or an insult; just IMHO.

thanks.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 03:44:16 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warpmind>Actually, I do keep a Bible handy but I cant find it at all, I searched everywhere but couldnt find it so I couldnt read the verses.

Jannie>Like I said in my last post, I pushed my luck there. I'm sorry to anyone that it offends but it was NOT an attack and I do have a point there.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 03:28:30 PM
IP: spider-wi074.proxy.aol.com

*Warpmind enters, passing grins around.*

I have time for a quick, final post before I head back to school. *Sigh* Back to mental torment...

Archwolf: Ah, then it makes more sense... I never saw the series. Just movies #1. Prefer #1, though.

Rodlox: Dude, the Viking age formally ended in 1033, when Norway was officially Christened. Oh, and unless I'm completely off my biology, the female reproductive cycle makes it fully possible for a young (and not yet in a fully set ovulation pattern) to have more than a month between each cycle. Thus, it could very well take almost a month before she realized something was wrong. Plus, she had been robbed of the memories from that night. Oh, and it would be better translated as "Well, people, we'll probably talk tomorrow". But, you got a word-by-word translation; we'll probably chat well tomorrow, too. ;)

Bengali: I see your point, but did you actually *read* the bible verse I mentioned? If you do, you might see a bit more of my point too? There's good and bad in everything? And by the way, I'm a Lutheranian. We never banned Galilei.

Well, gotta run. See ya.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, February 6, 2000 03:20:23 PM
IP: mp-217-210-184.daxnet.no

Jannie>I know, I suppose I am "pushing my luck" but still I dont think that I was attacking anything there, I was mearly saying that I dont judge christianity by a few priests {and a little bit more...} I wasnt using a killer as a comparison but if you look at what God did in the old testament...
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 03:14:27 PM
IP: spider-wi074.proxy.aol.com

Bengali> << I mean, if a serial killer went around raping and murdering women but that he then had a child and his heart was "softened" would that change what he had done?, of course not. So why does eveyone seem to ignore what happened then?>>
It's not even close. To use a murder/rapist as a comparison to God and Jesus... geesh... *shakes head*
C'mon Bengali, we all got past your previous comments (insults) concerning God and such and while you are most certainly entitled to your opinion - there are some topics that some people should not push their luck with, you know? :)
Jannie
Sunday, February 6, 2000 03:05:36 PM
IP: 196-072.c.esc4.net

Warpmind de InzanE>I dont judge Christianity on a few priests, I judge it on what it is and represents. The Bible is very often very extreme and when the "religious debate" was going on many said that my quotes were from the old testament and that that was when God was harsh. But what does that have to do with it?, I mean, if a serial killer went around raping and murdering women but that he then had a child and his heart was "softened" would that change what he had done?, of course not. So why does eveyone seem to ignore what happened then?. They also said that most christians dont pratice scriptures from the old testament, they study them from the new testament and while I agree that the new testament is less violent than the old one I have quotes from the new testament just like I had on the old one but I'm not gonna post them because I dont want to start the whole thing over again. To me. the bible and the church pray too much on fear and superstition, During the trial of Galileo, Cardinal Bellarmine said "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin". My favorite Atheist Quote {and it doesnt attack christianity} is...

"For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who cant readily accept the God formula, the big answers dont remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us"...Charles Bukowski. {1920-1994}, american writer.

Austria Problems>I just hope they settle the whole thing peacefully...

Thats it for now!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 02:34:45 PM
IP: spider-wi074.proxy.aol.com

Oops! That was from me! Sorry.
SOROW
Sunday, February 6, 2000 02:20:20 PM
IP: dll2a020-0437.splitrock.net

Archwolf> Really? Hmmmm, all I can say is she's a brat.

Joe> I need your e-mail. Tony wants me to send you something.
Anonymous
Sunday, February 6, 2000 02:19:37 PM
IP: dll2a020-0437.splitrock.net

*Shakes head in frustration*Well, that was pointless.

Jannie: Great! Glad to hear things are workin out for the best.

SOROW: I remember reading that book in highschool. One thing to remember about it: Pearl does not exist. She is an embodyment of her mother's hidden regret that she cannot be with the one she loves, cannot reveal him without him betting into some serious hot water. And shame. At least, that is what my AP English teacher told us. I can see her point. I mean, Pearl never affects anything. She is always in the background, even when she is the focus of a passage.

Austria Situation: *Worried frown*Not good. Noooooot Good! I hope that situation difuses itself peacefully, but i'm all for dropin' the hammer on that nut if needs be.

Wilek: The job is for web developement for the CSUstudents website. Hey, if we all get to stay on after the site is officialy launched, we get beepers.*and there was much rejoicing*

Christine:Damien part3. I LIKED it.


Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Sunday, February 6, 2000 02:15:58 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

WarpedMind: "Well, people, we chat well tomorrow."??

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 02:02:09 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warpmind: i've just read one of your stories {it was interesting, about the Monk}.

But what i'd meant was a _Viking_, not a Norwegian {no offense intended}.....Viking culture was at it's peak {according to the books i've read} between 800 and 1200 AD, Gregorian calendar.

Very good characters though.
{ps: on that story: if a few weeks'd passed, then how could she have not bled for months?}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 02:00:14 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Jannie-- ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ I am so happy for you!!!!! I'm keeping you in my prayers that it keeps better- ^_^ That is awesome, mama fox!!
jenna
Sunday, February 6, 2000 01:46:49 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-142-205.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

*Wakes up and stretches, feeling better after a nights sleep*
Warpmind>Yes, I mean Duncan. Adrian Paul played Duncan Macleod in the TV series, and did a better job than Christopher Lambert did with Connor.

*looks at IM Buddy List*Um, if you will excuse me, I have to talk to some one.
Shade and Sweet water

Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Sunday, February 6, 2000 01:29:24 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

*Enters, grinning at Rodlox.*
Dude, I have actually written a few stories involving an educated Norwegian. He's the owner of Teddy's Place, a bar he runs in the Callahanian spirit. :) Not too much mention of it, though... yet. To spoil some future stories: Teddy's Place will be an important place in the integration of gargoyles in human society... :)

*Warpmind grins, then starts talking in Norwegian.*
Vel, folkens, vi snakkes vel i morgen. ]:)
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, February 6, 2000 01:24:58 PM
IP: mp-217-215-132.daxnet.no

SOROW > It's quite alright sweetie... ^_^
u really should give yourself more credit, I mean my life isn't exciting or adventurous but what I do is pretend it is! :P
SURE! It's fun! TRY IT!! NOW! :P
Besides life has that weird way that somehow it's always the person u least expect that is keeping an eye for u. :P

So just stop worring weather people notice u or not, that's not important. Just keep doing your very best! ^_^

*comes out of her portal*
Man... if I stay one more minute the sun would've burned my wonderful skin :P (yeah, I just love myself :P)

*takes her little precious Chibi-Brooklyn by the hand*
Come on precious! You want Ice cream?.... what flavour? :)

Don't worry Cali! He'll go back to his surfing lessons, he just need s alittle something to eat! ^_^

ok people, Ja ne! ^_^

Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 12:34:33 PM
IP: proxy2.coqui.net

small question:

HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE GOING TO SEE THE MOVIE _PITCH_BLACK_ IN THEATERS??? {FEBUARY 18TH, 2000 IS THE RELEASE DATE}.

could anyone tell i'm excited about PITCH BLACK ?

it's got my favorite actress {from Farscape or anywhere else}...CLAUDIA BLACK. {who was also on Hercules}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 12:17:14 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warpmind: i'm not mocking the Vikings! I was being serious about liking the Viking culture {pity about that Vinland problem though}. I'm just saying that there should {by now} have been a story with a good, well-educated Norseman. {hey, they showed Demona's good side}.

Warpmind: yes, my fics are in the Archive. {under 'Rodlox'}. i look forwards to your comments/suggestions.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:59:48 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Jannie: Congrats about your daughter! Yay!

More Austria news: More and more, the Freedom Party frightens me. Haider, the head of the party, issued a threat to paralyse negotiations in the European Union if the EU keeps the sanctions they've begun against Austria. EU policicy has to be decided unamimously by the differing ministers, and Austria has veto powers on major reforms and on plans to enlarge the union to the east.

Basically, he's saying if they try to screw up Austria, Austria will retaliate by vetoing anything the EU tries to do as a whole, rendering the EU as a whole impotent.

Right now, people are rioting in Austria over the new government. And on a somewhat more cheerful note, the president of Austria *was* able to blook two people from cabinet positions, once of whom had threatened him with physical violence, the other who had engaged in serious anti-foreigner propaganda and had even accused the "auslanderen" of using drugs to increase their fertility to have more babies and therefore "over-foreignize" Austria. And he was able to force the key members of Haider's Freedom Party to sign papers that they were against the Nazis. And immediately after doing so, Haider said publically he was forced to sign it.

Ugh.

All of this pains me to no end as a historian. It's like were not learning anything--the EU looks like it could be on the fast track to being the new League of Nations, Austria is electing people just shy of Nazis...ugh....
jewel
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:19:22 AM
IP: atlnb210-41.splitrock.net

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bunghole
Sunday, February 6, 2000 10:33:19 AM
IP: 209.194.44.66

*Warpmind enters, carrying chibi Maggie and chibi Talon on his shoulders.*
Yo, friends. I have some news.
*Warpmind performs a crazy victory dance, then receives a nasty scowl from Aaron.*
Oh, sorry, dude, I didn't realize I could outsuck ya in dancing. ;) Seriously, though, I have finally managed to catch an episode of Pokémon. (Dad's got a dish, and I'm home for the weekend.) Now I know what the fuss is all about. *Sigh* And I thought getting Gargoyles on tape was expensive... I mean, I like Pokémon, after only one viewing, but something's wrong with the Norwegian voices... so I guess I'll try for either the English-speaking version, or the subbed one (probably subbed). *Sighs again* Oh, well, at least I've got Gargoyles to watch in the meantime... *Chibis Maggie and Talon look at Warpmind, a little concerned.* Huh? No, you two, I'm not planning to shove you into little balls. :) Not yet, anyway. *Zzzzzaappp* Uh, did I say yet? I meant never.

On to replies.

Katara: High-fives go to you for that little rant of yours. We need open-minded people like you around.

Bengali: Never judge Christianity on basis of a few priests. There is the tale of the grain and the weeds to consider. Math. 13, 24-30. (You might have a bible handy; I suggest you take a look at those verses.)

Archwolf: Duncan MacLeod? Uh... you sure you don't mean Connor MacLeod? You ARE talking about the Highlander, right?

Tim P.: "Row, row, row your boat"... oh, you're wicked... :)

Delphi: That application... I think I saw that one on that catgoyle's page... she was here a while back. (Gotta see if I can't retrace her website somehow.)

Christine: Ooo, Damien Part Three? I'll check it out tomorrow, when I can download it and read it in peace at my own place. (After all, I wouldn't let everyone at my place of "study" realize what a sick fellow I really am, eh?) ;) Nice pics, too. :)

Rodlox: Hey, don't mock the Vikings. I'm a Norwegian, myself. ;) And, quite possibly, the only Norwegian involved in Gargoyles Fandom, as well. :|

Jaden: Oh, you were babbling. But, lucky for you, I speak babble fluently. ;)

Wilek: Enough of these bombs of yours; we want to get a few bugs, not a few countries! ;) And as for that weird website - it changes on a day-to-day baasis, perhaps? I'm not touching it... again.

Rodlox: Are your 'fics in the Archive?

Well, gotta saunter off. See ya later. By the way... I'm having a small "Chiblet poll" now; you can e-mail me your bets on gender, name and various other suggestions until Friday/Saturday (Maggie should be going into labor about then), and I will declare the winners, and e-mail them a widdle something as a prize. No money bets, just guesses. Anything (almost) goes. And for your information: these two chibis here have clammed up on me; they know, but I don't. So gimme your votes now, kids! :)

*Warpmind walks out, chibi Maggie and chibi Talon resting on his shoulders.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, February 6, 2000 09:44:25 AM
IP: mp-217-211-176.daxnet.no

Daughter update: Anna called me on Friday evening and during the conversation she made an opening for me to talk very frank with her. (I figured it was as good of an opportunity as any) Long story short....she apologized for what she had done, she admitted wrong doing, said that she had regretted it and yet she still couldn't say why she has done what she has done. Ohwell, at least she admitted the rest. She made a comment about wanting to start all over, etc. I let her know that the option of returning home was still available - but with strict conditions. I wouldn't be negotiating nor compromising this time because I didn't create this situaton. She understood & agreed. Something was still bothering me & after a while I finally admitted to myself what it was. I didn't want her to move back home. I am finally getting my life back in order & I can foresee a LOT of problems. She cannot make a clean break & begin a new life simply by moving home. She's still too close to the influences of her current environment. I called my parents and younger brother, Steve in Missouri to ask for advice. A solution was worked out, Steve gave me Anna's phone number and I presented her with what we had come up with. It was her decision.... take it or leave it. So... she is moving to Missouri!! =) I'm flying her up there, she can stay with my rents until she finds a job & moves out on her own. She will have independence & responsibility but yet be under the wings of family members. Jobs are plentiful & rent is cheap there. I've arranged for her to have a car & will secretly be sending my father extra money to help her get started on her new life. I told her that I would assist her as long as she was in Missouri & making a sincere & honest effort to improve her life. I will not support her here. I even told her that I would give back some of the clothes that she had left here to take with her. I'm not giving in totally until she has made a total commitment to stay there & begin building her new life.
She has hit rock bottom here & it finally opened her eyes to the reality of the situation.
She leaves next Sunday with a round-trip ticket (so she wouldn't feel pressured to stay & no way out) but she talked as if she wasn't planning on coming back =) This is a minimum of a 2 week stay. Steve will hold the return ticket ; )
So, the light at the end of this tunnel just got a little brighter :) I hope she doesn't do a turn on me & decide not to go.... I won't be secure until I put her on the plane.
Please keep us in your thoughts and/or prayers.
Thanks for your support, it's been a blessing - more than you'll ever realize. *hugs to all*
Jannie
Sunday, February 6, 2000 09:09:44 AM
IP: 196-072.c.esc4.net

I just can't help but say it again: It. <G>

Seriously: great place here!!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 02:15:21 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Quick post

Infinity>Thanks.

Wilek>I totally agree, why cant Disney make any more classics like they used to, instead of theses dumb "fad" movies like Hercules and Inspector Gadget?
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 01:41:07 AM
IP: spider-wc022.proxy.aol.com

This's a nice place!!!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 12:37:34 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hi all. I have to go to bed soon so I can wake up early and finish my book for English on Monday. We're reading The Scarlet Letter (practically everyone in the world has to) and I'm almost finished. I'm sorry....but I HATE it! You would think if I liked Ivanhoe and Grapes of Wrath that I would like this book, but noooooooo. I'll be so much happier when it's over.

Alex Destine> re:'People DO notice you.' Hmmmm, that's what a friend of mine keeps telling me, but it's just so hard to believe! If you lived a day in my life, you'd probably understand. But thank you for your kind words. These things are appreciated :)

SJ> It could very well have been food poisoning. All I know is that I'll never be able to look at my favorite food again without hesitation.

Gside> I just keep reminding myself that we've got to stock up on the condoms at my work for Valentines ;P

Wilek> Yes, I feel much better. Thank you for thinking about me.

Joe> If you get a chance to read this tonight, I don't have to work tomorrow. "IF" I finish my book and all my homework, I'll call you sometime in the afternoon and we'll see. Sweet dreams.
SOROW
Sunday, February 6, 2000 12:31:22 AM
IP: dll2a010-0621.splitrock.net

<Infinity glides in and notices the portal to Cali's island. She takes a closer look. "Mmmmm..It looks pretty nice in there." She is about to step in when a Frisbee comes flying out of the portal and hits her right between the eyes, temporarily rendering her unconscious. Chibi-Brooky runs in, retrieves his Frisbee, and runs back out. "Uhhhh.." Ifni mutters, slowly regaining consciousness, "I think I remember what I was going to say. Here goes.">

Toku Kaioto: I meant what I said a few posts down. I mostly just lurk around here but after I read a few of your posts concerning the nature of religion and stuff like that I was so impressed I had to bust in and say something. I've barely begun my Intro to Ethics class so most of the steps to the ethical process is fairly new to me. We just finished discussing Socrates and Crito's debate in The Apology and I've got a test over it Monday plus a paper to write. So if you could please transfer some of the knowledge contained in your brain to mine, I'll be in good shape. j/k

Situation in Austria; Ye gods, this is scary! And I thought Slobolan Milosevich (seriously doubt I spelled his name right) was the reincarnated Hitler.

Bengali; Your remarks about religion didn't offend me too much. And they were thought-provoking, which isn't neccesarily a bad thing. And it's been said before but I'll say it again; what that reverend did to you was totally uncalled for, especially since you were only there to find your friend.

Todd Jensen: Yeah, I kind of noticed that too about Darkseid. He treats Kalapeck like trash so I bet if Orion asked his dad if he could return to Apokalips, Darkseid would let him. Wonder if Orion will show up in the second half of Legacy.

Archwolf; Yeah, I've had days like that too. Hope ya feel better tomorrow!

NcDonald's interview; ROTFLMAO That kid has spunk!

Goodnight everyone! Until we meet again!
<Infinity glides out, nursing the bump on her head.>
Infinity
Sunday, February 6, 2000 12:18:00 AM
IP: nltc-57-124.nltc.net

Does anyone have any suggestions on how i can improve my gargoyles writings?

For that matter, has anyone actually _read_ them??

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 12:15:53 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warpmind> <<Dude, if you go through with the bombing plan, what about the trophies? I want a head on my wall, dammit!>> Hm...well, before the genocide, we could send in a probe droid to take a DNA sample and transmit the genetic code to a research lab. Then we could grow enough heads for the walls of every residence on the face of the earth. ;) <<what's so weird about a site devoted to the Windsor knot? I think there's one devoted to pasta shells, as well...>> The front page isn't so weird, but going deeper into the site reveals a labyrinth of bizarre, disjointed, and generally weird pages...oh, and the front page wasn't about ties a few days ago; it was nothing but a big picture of a smiley face. O_o

Bengali> <<Disney is making a new animated feature called "Atlantis" about the kingdom of atlantis, I found that out from Ron Pence who works for Diney as a animator. It could be good exept for Disney is turning it into some dumb pop music thing, how awful!.>> Like Tarzan? Ecch...

Archwolf> <<I'm looking at a job application right now, contemplating some of the questions. Things like, Shoe Size, Thoughts on the Blues Brothers (The original movie, not 2000), How many times per minute do I blink.>> o_O Um...what job *is* this...? <<Stumbles in after being beated up by a recent bout of depression. Ever have one of those days when all you want to do is call Mom?>> Ack... :( Whatever's wrong, we're all here to try and help, or lend a shoulder to cry upon...

Delphi> Job application> ROTFLMTO!!! :D
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, February 5, 2000 11:50:55 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

ArchWolf>...aahh, poor guy *huggles* anytime you need to get something off your chest, you can always talk to anyone here in the CR. That's what's so nice about this place, all the great folks in here.

Jaden>>....awww gee thanks *blushes*
Anonymous
Saturday, February 5, 2000 11:42:22 PM
IP: 98a9f142.ipt.aol.com

about all those bad things happening lately: "now you know why anything with half a brain eats their young" - me. {feel free to quote me on that; particularly in a Gargoyles story - particularly Timedancer or some such}.

<G><G>

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 11:34:50 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warpmind-agree with me-Thanks, nice to know that I made sense and wasn't just babbling.

Sliders- You're right. That wasn't such a good ending. Probably did that in the off chance that they may start the show up again.

Katara><<I don't have time or desire to associate with such shallow people>> ((Clap)) ((Clap)) Excellent rant. Real friends wouldn't act that way.

Archwolf-Call Mom- You mean to tell someone all your really bad problems who will listen and help you turn your world around so you don't feel like you want to just take a flying leap off a tall building? God yes I feel like that sometimes. I'm just glad that it doesn't come in continuous waves. Why? What's wrong?

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Saturday, February 5, 2000 11:27:28 PM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

An Extinct Race? now THAT sounds as neat as portraying Vikings as the good guys! {no, that was not sarcasm}.

Seriously: what stories has their existance been hintrd at in/during ?
Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 10:51:34 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

New on my site:
Damien Part Three: Devil's Night (_finally_!!!)
A _ton_ of new pics
Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 10:29:32 PM
IP: krldb205-36.splitrock.net

Stumbles in after being beated up by a recent bout of depression. Ever have one of those days when all you want to do is call Mom?
*Curls up in usual corner and goes to sleep*

Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 10:19:57 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

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Anonymous
Saturday, February 5, 2000 09:11:50 PM
IP: ppp11670.qc.bellglobal.com

Alan> I loved Magnolia too. It just shifted my sense of reality like a teenage driver with his first standard transmission. :)

Also, Magnolia and Lain aren't really similar at all, except that I think they're both weird. I happen to like weird.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 09:09:13 PM
IP: dll2a020-0410.splitrock.net

Sorry for the double post, but I had an interesting little thought just now, inspired by the bit about Madoc and Merlin in the first paragraph of my last post.

The "New Batman/Superman Adventures" episode that aired this morning was a new one involving Darkseid as the villain, and something that's occurred to me for some time now is that Darkseid, in contrast to Madoc, does show one little interesting ray of light amid his general darkness and evil. Like Madoc, Darkseid has a son (Orion) who chose not to follow him in his wars of conquest and tyranny, but is battling against him to protect the innocent from his father's menace. But where Madoc hated his "traitor son" and tried many times to destroy him, Darkseid takes Orion's siding with High Father astonishingly well, saying simply when they met at the end of "Apokolips Now", "You're misguided in your loyalties, but I don't want to spoil our family reunion with bloodshed", and even displaying a certain amount of pride in Orion's skill. Perhaps Darkseid's not completely evil after all (although he certainly comes close to it).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 5, 2000 08:27:23 PM
IP: 216.87.46.6.dialup-stl.primary.net

AIRWALKER - Actually, we did show that Madoc had a few other things going on besides encouraging gargoyle massacres - begetting Merlin to use as a tool in his war on Oberon and then turning on him in anger when Merlin refused to help him was one of them.

But I do agree now that I look back on it that we did somewhat exaggerate his role in anti-gargoyle activity, although we did have a point in connecting him to it to begin with (as a commentary on persecution and hatred - showing Madoc encouraging humans to think of gargoyles as demons was a little comment on which side bigots really are, even if they think that they're fighting for the side of right. Kind of like that "Buffy" episode that did the little revisionist take on Hansel and Gretel). But I think now that you're right in that we did go overboard.

(Actually, if I were to go back in time to when we started on TGS, I'd probably have handled a number of other things about Madoc differently, including that he wouldn't have been a fay at all - the feeling that I have by now is that he should have been done, not as one of the Third Race but as one of the last survivors of an earlier race that pre-dated the fay the way that the Titans pre-dated the Olympian gods and met a similar fate at the fay's hands - and, come to think of it, Greg did indicate recently that there was indeed an extinct race that preceded all Three Races. He'd also have been primarily a "Pendragon" villain. But that's another story).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 5, 2000 08:22:44 PM
IP: 216.87.46.6.dialup-stl.primary.net

Star Trek & Interracial relationships> In all fairness, Star Trek on a whole has been lousy dealing with interpersonal relationships, species, race and otherwise. I could list for an hour all the relaionships from the fou series that fizzled out or vanished without a trace. Part of that is because of the franchises strick, "Don't change the Landscape" policy. No matter how indepth or shallow, good or bad the development is, it pretty much has to go back in the box by the end of the episode. Sad, really.

As for interracial relationships. Personally, I haven't had any problems. (Boy, is that tempting Fate) But then I aagain, I'm fiercely independent, so I care less about what people think than the majority of kids in my high school. I don't romantic interracial relationships are as hard as the close personal friendships. Best friends, good friends and acquaintances, those types of relationships seem to have more bumps in the road. But that's my view.

On identity> I'm impressed by everyone's comments. I thought along the same lines muself. The problem I keep running into is how our identity is strongly crafted by our temporal experience while we are alive.(My own view of the soul is a bit complicated, but basically, that the resonates and is fluid. Rather than something indiscriminate, it is something that flows. Like I said, complicated)

Later all
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 07:53:29 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Hi all,

Tim P>>Row, row, row, your boat>> LOL and a few groans ;P

well the kid's are bugging me to leave so I guess this will be a short one.....but I can't leave without some sort of funny...let's see what in in the mail box..

> This is an actual job application a 17 year old boy submitted at a McDonald's fast-food establishment in Florida........and they hired him because he was so honest and funny!
>
> NAME:XXXX XXXXXXXXX blanked to protect the innocent!!!
> Sex: Not yet. Still waiting for the right person.
>DESIRED POSITION: Company's President or Vice President. But seriously, whatever's available. If I was in a position to be picky, I wouldn't be applying here in the first place.
>DESIRED SALARY: $185,000 a year plus stock options and a Michael Ovitz style severance package. If that's not possible, make an offer and we can haggle.
>EDUCATION: Yes.
>LAST POSITION HELD: Target for middle management hostility.
>SALARY: Less than I'm worth.
>MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT: My incredible collection of stolen pens and post-it notes.
>REASON FOR LEAVING: It sucked.
>HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK: Any.
>PREFERRED HOURS: 1:30-3:30 p.m., Monday,Tuesday, and Thursday.
>DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?: Yes, but they're better suited to a more intimate environment.
>MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: If I had one, would I be here?
>DO YOU HAVE ANY PHYSICAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU
FROM LIFTING UP TO 50 LBS?: Of what?
>DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: I think the more appropriate question here would be "Do you have a car that runs?"
>HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?: I may already be a winner of the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes.
>DO YOU SMOKE?: On the job no, on my breaks yes.
>WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS?: Living in the Bahamas
> with a fabulously wealthy dumb sexy blonde super model who thinks I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread. Actually, I'd like to be doing that now.
>DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE?: Yes. Absolutely.
>SIGN HERE: Aries.

LOL :) catch you all next time
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, February 5, 2000 07:42:59 PM
IP: twin5940.magiclink.com

Elections in Austria: Aw, man. Do we seriously have to put up with these Nazi @$$holes again? Millions of people in my grandpa's generation gave their lives to stop this evil, and now that evil weed is starting to grow back. Then you got these hillbilly colleges that ban interracial dating. Not surprising though, since they hardly date outside their own families.

For the time being though, we should stay out of the internal political affairs of Austria. But the moment these Nazi lovers take up their old tricks, POUND THEM INTO THE GROUND!
Tim P.
Saturday, February 5, 2000 07:13:42 PM
IP: s19-onawa.pionet.net

MANDOLIN - You wrote: [I don't think Madoc was solely to blame for all the gargoyles' hardships. I'll bet even without his involvement the prejudice would have still been far-flung. He just took the potential that was there and manipulated it for his own gains.]

I don't think that Madoc was solely responsible for everything that happened to Gargoyles in TGS history. I'm sure that without him there still would have been problems and massacures. But it is possible that the impression you could kind of get with all of Madoc's involvment is that the bad relations between Humanity and Gargoyles isn't really because of anything humanity did but because they were being manipulated by an outside force and that without that outside force everything between the two races would be if not perfect then pretty good. (Look at the far past and the far future - Ancient Egypt has no Madoc and everyone gets along in an almost Utopian state while the 2158 has no Madoc and everyone gets along in an almost Utopian state.)

I think that it might have been better not to involve Madoc so much in the history of the massacures of Gargoyles. I could buy him sending some funds to the Quarrymen, I could see him aiding a Hunter or two in the past thousand years, as well as a few other stuff but the impression I got from the flashbacks of Madoc in the last 10,000 years was that all he did was spend his time traveling back and forth trying to destroy Gargoyle clans. I don't think that it was so necessary to involve him in Canmore's 1057 War against Macbeth for example. It might have helped if we had seen him doing something else but as it is he seems to be a major part of the destruction and persecution of the Gargoyles in the last 10,000 years. It wouldn't make sense if he had no part in it but I think that his part was way too exagerated. He should have had a minor role here and there from the sidelines rather than a major role which makes him seem like the master manipulator of the entire human race.

(He comes off so much like the Shadows from Babylon 5. I never liked the idea of such manipulation. I'm a big believer in Free Will and with something like the Shadows or Madoc in the background playing their games and limiting the choices people have really just bugs me. That's what bothers me about Madoc. Not that he's manipulating but that he seems to be doing all the manipulating. He came to be involved in every aspect of the Gargoyles life both past and present. Nothing seemed to happen except if Madoc wished it or if Madoc was involved. It's one thing if the clan just thinks its because of him - they've done that before with Xanatos - but in Madoc's case it was actually true.)


TODD - You wrote: [Where is everybody getting this "three months" since Timedancer's second season entered?]

I think that that was the number Robby quoted. In the context of the sentence it was less of an exact accounting and more of a generalization on the short amount of time that's passed since the end of TIMEDANCER Season 2.


AUSTRIA - I'd comment more on this but the amount of cursing that would be involved might violate some of the rules of this room.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, February 5, 2000 07:04:58 PM
IP: 189.new-york-13-14rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Pistoff, Archwolf, Jenna: Since your'e all looking for jobs, try the Post office. If the flag out side is at half mast, it means their hiring ;)

But seroisly folks, Don't EVER get a job at a fast food joint like McDonalds. I worked part time there for a year and it made me miserable. I was considering buying a little cabin out in the woods and bombing the place. The only good part was that I got away from my parents.

"In other news today, Cuba has changed it national anthem to 'Row, Row, Row, Your Boat.'"
Tim P.
Saturday, February 5, 2000 07:02:03 PM
IP: s19-onawa.pionet.net

ARCHWOLF - I don't count the gargoyles as super-heroes, myself. They are crime-fighters, but they miss a lot of other super-hero features.

1. Traditionally, a super-hero has a secret identity, as in Clark Kent for Superman or Bruce Wayne for Batman. Goliath and his clan don't have secret identities (unless you count their stone forms by day as such). In fact, it's their enemies (Demona and Owen/Puck) who have the secret identities. (Well, I never really considered Owen/Puck a villain in the same way that I considered Xanatos or Demona, but that's another story).

2. The gargoyles are, throughout the bulk of the series, unknown to the general public, and when they do get revealed to the outside world, nearly everybody believes them to be monsters and is afraid of them. Super-heroes are traditionally known by the general public and generally very popular among the honest citizenry, only hated by criminals and trouble-makers - and maybe by the occasional comic-relief grumbler like Harvey Bullock for Batman.

3. The gargoyles have no super-hero costumes (which is just as well; I wouldn't want to imagine Goliath in a leotard with a big "G" emblazoned on its chest :) or general super-hero style gimmickry (they don't even have a Gargoyle-signal, and I certainly don't want to see Captain Chavez going about installing one in the 23rd precinct's police station, either).

4. Super-heroes generally confine themselves exclusively to battling crime and rescuing people and have no outside interests (at least the DC ones do; the Marvel ones like Spiderman have more of an outside life). The gargoyles, on the other hand, do have their own concerns beyond just protecting the city, such as the overall survival of their species, Goliath's feelings towards Elisa, Broadway and Angela's feelings towards each other, etc. They've got lives outside of their patrols, as most super-heroes (such as Bats and Supe) don't.

So I don't consider the gargoyles super-heroes. At least, not the conventional sort of super-heroes.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 5, 2000 06:32:25 PM
IP: 216.87.46.142.dialup-stl.primary.net

Katara> No, I don't see it that way. IMO Worf can't be called 'black' the same way that Goliath or Coldstone can't be called 'black'. The characters are what matter, not the actors who are behind the costume, the makeup or the voices.
Questioner
Saturday, February 5, 2000 05:27:59 PM
IP: athe530-a017.otenet.gr

Hey all. I'm looking at a job application right now, contemplating some of the questions. Things like, Shoe Size, Thoughts on the Blues Brothers (The original movie, not 2000), How many times per minute do I blink. There is one that i am really having trouble with. Who is your favorite Super Hero. Do the Gargoyles count as super heros, you think? I mean, they don't really have any super powers, but damn, there ain't one super hero they couldn't take out in a heart beat. Except maybe Duncan Macleod.

On a different not, I am finally geting to relax for a while without fencing...

Still can't get over the fact that my sister is getting married next year...right in the middle of the NCAA Fencing Season. Decisions decision.

*Sniffs the air* Dinner getting ready. Gotta run
Shade and sweet water
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.cim]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 04:30:17 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

*Wakes up surprised to see blanket over self*

I wonder how that got there?, Oh well, now to get onto what I didnt finish last night.

Toku Kaioto>Yeah, most Christians I've met are really nice but so many are so quick to judge others by what they believe in or what they dont believe in.

******BEGIN RP********

Bengali, private detective, walks down a crowded street carrying a bag of groceries, suddenly, several shots ring out followed by screams as she corners the street.

Dropping the groceries, Bengali pulls a gun out from beneath her jacket and follows the sound of the gunshots to a small antique shop. As she approachs the shop several men, clad in black robes, dash out of the entrance with the man in the lead carrying something wrapped in brown paper. They run into a dark alleyway.

Bengali draws her gun and follows.

The instant she gets in sight of the alley a car with the men inside races out, almost running over Bengali, and takes off down the street doin at least a hundred mph.

Bengali fires several shots at the cars tires but none hit their mark. As the car dissapears Bengali lets out a sigh and goes back to the shop where the cops have already arrived. She enters the shop where several bodies litter the ground, each shot at point blank range.

"What happened?" Bengali asks.

The cop examining the bodys sighs and says "another attack from the Kyankan cult, they have been stealing a great deal of artifacts from antique shops and museums, they never seem to leave any evidence though, it's like they're ghosts in the form of men, they kill fast and efficiently yet nobody has ever lived to get a good look at their faces, they always keep them hooded".

"What did they steal?" Bengali asks.

"Just a old sword, it wasnt even worth much" the cop says, bitterly "Why do people kill for such little things?".

"I dont know" Bengali says "I, uh, have to leave" and quickly leaves the shop.

She walks back to where she dropped the groceries and begins to pick up the bits of food from the pavement while deep in thought. Once done she carrys the stuff back to her apartment and shuts the door and locks it behind her.

She sets the stuff down on a table and goes into her bedroom.

She opens a drawer on the dresser and picks up a small pendant from out of it. She places it around her own neck and groans in pain as the transformation begins. Once pale skin becomes pure white and jeans and T-shirt are replaced by colorful medievil garb. Her brown hair becomes a dark ebony and her ears become pointed. Once the transformation is complete she looks up and grins impishly. For she is a halfling, the power of the pendant allows for her to retain her third race form, without it she could not sustain her other form.

She leaves the room and enters her living room, she knows exactly why the cult would kill for such a "Worthless" sword. The sword was the last thing they needed to release the power of the Ghonani Plague on the world. And in order to do so they needed a certain set of magical tools.

With a grin, Bengali transports herself to a remote tropical island, at the center of it is a large temple sorrounded by dense jungles, the cults base.

She quickens her stride as she walks toward the temple.

{Anyones welcome to join in right about now}
*******END RP*********

Disney is making a new animated feature called "Atlantis" about the kingdom of atlantis, I found that out from Ron Pence who works for Diney as a animator. It could be good exept for Disney is turning it into some dumb pop music thing, how awful!.

I just bought the CD with the songs fron the play "Into the Woods", I loved it, its from the version that I like and the songs are really well don.

I also got an e-mail from someone asking me about whether or not TGS is having a third season, he said that I appeared to be one of the TGS crew and that he has downloaded some of my works, I wish. I gave him the latest info on TGS's third season and asked him as to where he heard that I was a member of the TGS crew.

Thats it for now!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 04:27:37 PM
IP: spider-ti013.proxy.aol.com

Questioner>..I'm glad that you mentioned the Klingon/Trill bit, but are you overlooking the fact the Dax was white and Worf was black? Well, at least the actors are, so in my book, it still counts as an inter-racial relationship.

**UPCOMING RANT.. SO BE FORE-WARNED**
Now this whole inter-raccial thing is a real kettle of fish.. it stinks big time!! At least on this I can offer up something of my own personal experience. I come from a bi-racial family. My step-father is black. I've never been a very sociable person, pretty much always staying home. Anyways, once in high school, Dad asked me if I was losing friends and a social life because he was black. I told him that to my knowledge, no. All of the people that I hung out with at school knew he was black. It wasn't something that I'd just blurt out to people when I first met them, but my friends knew and it didnt' bother them in the least. They also knew that I had an "oreo" for a baby sister. (lol..and no flames.. that's a family joke people) I told him, that if people didn't want to be my friend just because my dad was black, then they weren't the type of people I'd want to call a friend anyways. I don't have time or desire to associate with such shallow people. I thank God that my mother was open-minded enough to look past the surface and pass that insight on to me. Now my children are learning the same lesson. They are also bi-racial, half filipino. They know that they'll encounter jerks out there that won't be able to look beyond their skin color or shape of their eye, but thankfully more and more people today are open-minded and know to judge people for what's on the inside, rather than the outside.
**TAKES A DEEP BREATH AND ENDS HER RANT**

Sorry for that folks, as you can tell, I have strong views on that subject. That's one of the reasons I loved Gargoyles so much, because of the way that Greg and team was able to address that issue.
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 01:21:10 PM
IP: abd0f1e5.ipt.aol.com

Oops, I knew I forgot something...

If someone's already posted this, sorry, but Fox just gave Chris Carter the OK to start on the Lone Gunmen spinoff. Clickie for the IGN article.
Mandolin
Saturday, February 5, 2000 01:10:58 PM
IP: 144.175.18.81

I am STILL moving all my stuff down to 233. Partially out of spite (since some of the third-floor residents were already wondering about taking my room), I moved all the good furniture from my old room and switched it with the icky furniture in the new. I have until Monday afternoon to get everything moved in.

Coyote> As you know, I got your e-mail, and I await the pics.

Which leads into something else that's pretty funny: to get to the Wisteria office to scan them, I'm going to have to have a friend distract the Computing Help Desk coordinator so I don't get spotted. Why? Well, a while ago, I posted a link to the satire I wrote for class last year - a 9-page rhyming rant making fun of the Info Tech department, since I'd about had it working there. It was accepted into the literary magazine. I have been informed that Artie, the new guy who runs the help desk, read it and did NOT find it funny at all. (But here's the good part: He wasn't even WORKING there when I wrote the satire!! Most of the people who were there that I poked fun of read it and laughed their heads off!) Suffice to say, I'm going to stay out of his sight for a while.

Sliders> Yes, I agree it deteriorated after John-Rhys Davies left (and then even more when Sabrina Lloyd and then both O'Connells jumped ship just when Colin was starting to grow on me), but THAT was the final episode???? I'm sorry, but that is the WORST way to end a series - you take the only character who's been there since the beginning and have him jump into a vortex which may or may not mean his death, and then... the only guy who could possibly tell us if he's alive or not croaks?? Argh!

The Bob Jones ban> Most people's rants have summed up my feelings about this. "Scriptural beliefs" my ass.

Okay. Becky is singing along with the TV; I'm going to ask if she'll close her door. Later, all.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 01:04:10 PM
IP: 144.175.18.81

David G.> I LOVED Magnolia. I thought it was, in all honesty, the best film I've ever seen. I was pure genius. The frogs were pure genius. It was a way to tie every single character introduced toghether without having it be something expected like having them wind up in the same hospital room together or something like that...

So... Magnolia: the best film I've ever seen.

As for Serial Experiments Lain, I've just borrowed the DVD of the first four "layers" from my friend last night. I find it really odd, David, that you would compare Magnolia to Lain...

All for now...
Alan "Ordell" - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa, TX
Saturday, February 5, 2000 12:44:11 PM
IP: ppp-88.ode.cableone.net

*Warpmind saunters in, a little imbalanced due to the two chibis resting on his shoulders.*
Yo, yo, yo. I'm still in one piece.

Aaron: You want Jericho and Frank Black to attend Demona's trial? Toss in Vince Kozlowski, and you've got total chaos... ;)

The religion debate: A friend of my father's once put it in the best words I have ever heard. "I have good faith in God. Not so much in his employees."

Green Baron: Now, you say that if Orrin Hatch is elected, polygamy will be legal. Then it is my duty as one of the resident smartasses to ask: what difference will that make to you? ;)

Gyre: Rest assured, I don't think anyone here would take you the wrong way. Misunderstand you, maybe... ;)

*Ponders the Nazi movement in Austria, then wraps up a small package with a "radioactive" label and ships it off. And the package is ticking.* There, that ought to clear up a bit.

Gside: Heh, a C-14 test revealed that the Shroud of Turin consisted of two pieces... of vastly different ages. But of course, at the Illuminati Headquarters, we have the original safely stored... ;)

Bengali: No prob. Mara could have told you more, though.

Jaden on Nazis and interracial dating ban: Hear, hear. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance. Uh... well, you know. :) At least I agree with you.

Wilek: Dude, if you go through with the bombing plan, what about the trophies? I want a head on my wall, dammit! And what's so weird about a site devoted to the Windsor knot? I think there's one devoted to pasta shells, as well...

Christine: I thought you might like it... that's why I mentioned it. :)

**RP**
Hell. A soft *ding* is heard, and an elevator door opens in the rock. Warpmind steps out, lighting a cigar. He starts walking, looking around for any signs of SJ.
"Where are those pesky imps when you need'em?"
As he speaks, Warpmind is jumped by a small, demonic creature. Warpmind swiftly subdues it by use of pinky leverage (gotta love those finger joints), and holds the imp in a firm grip.
"Leggo, human! Or I'll call my Master!"
Warpmind bends down, gripping the little imp's neck.
"Now you listen. I seek the soul of a certain Sevarius Jr. Do you know where he is? He appears likely to cause some disturbances wherever he is."
The imp seems to think, to ponder his chances. Warpmind tightens the neck grip.
"Urrk. Okay, human. There's some sorta disto... distru... mess in the City of the Dead. It's..."
Warpmind flings the imp away.
"I know the way."
Watching the imp run away, Warpmind heads toward the Necropolis.
**RP END**

SJ: RP stuff: So, your Great Demons claim there's no elevator leading down there? Just proves how little they know. :) Actually, the elevator I described is a type of portal, just an elevator by perception. ;)

*Warpmind nods to the ones present, and wanders out, casting a peculiar glance toward the portal hovering in the CR.*
Later, friends.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, February 5, 2000 11:18:02 AM
IP: mp-217-207-99.daxnet.no

SJ> BJU Horror story> Yikes! I've always wondered what kind of school these articulate, well spoken bigots like Buchanan and Duke came from, and now I know...

Austria's Freedom party> From what has been written about them, it doesn't sound good. They have an extremly far- right veiw and their platform is very strong against immigration and what they describe as "over-foriegnization", whcih many people harken back to the Nazi rhetoric. They are extremly anti-European Union and are firmly against the currencey unification.

Only problem with this turn of events is that with everyone isolating them, it may only help solidify their staus in the country. A lot of political anylists fear that their foothold in that country may lead right wingers in other countries to try and take control of the goverment as well.

Skippy the Klingon
Saturday, February 5, 2000 11:16:37 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-15.ultravision.net

Warpmind > "writer of good loving" ... hey, I like it! ; )

Jenna > got it, tried to reply, got bounced, saw your message in here, tried again, so hopefully we're set!

Archwolf > I missed that documentary, but I'm not surprised! Tim and I were considering collaborating on a novel with that premise a few years back, but it never got off the ground; it just seemed like a perfect Sevarius project ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 09:46:38 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Calliope > *looks inside the portal*
wow!... major wipe out Chibi-Brook. It's ok! Just get back up! :P

*goes to the closet and changes into her bathing suit and comes back out*
OK!... me is ready!

*goes into Cali's Private Island, there I spread a beach towal and sit on the sand*
Let me see now....

*cute guy walks by*
Mmm... nice...
*another cute guy*
Well, what do ya know..... this place was worth my visiting after all. :P
*another cute guy*
....... I think I'll be doing the same as Cali. I'll be leaving a portal open to talk to u guys, 'kay? ^_^
*another cute guy*
Hey Cali, what would you & Fell say?.... "yummy"? :P

*looks at her precious Chibi-Brooky as she drinks her Pina Colada*
Keep it up baby!! ^_^

Ja ne!


Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 07:40:00 AM
IP: proxy.coqui.net

Um, where is everybody getting this "three months" since Timedancer's second season entered? Three months ago was November, and Timedancer ended some time in early summer.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 5, 2000 06:49:37 AM
IP: 216.87.46.204.dialup-stl.primary.net

Green Baron> Yeah, Gnostics were unique in that they didn't seem to care about faith or deeds, that they thought only knowledge (magical, special?) was required... Or atleast some of their groups seemed to so believe - we still know relatively few things about them...

Moral relativism> I agree with Kaioto that certain moral standards are absolute through all times and places. Because the Aztecs were in favour of human sacrifice that doesn't mean that human sacrifice was moral...

However the *doer* has to be judged in the light of his culture - his moral or immoral deeds remain moral or immoral, but someone's personality has to be judged less harshly when he commits immoral deeds while in a society which so supports them, rather than a society which opposes them...

Interracial dating> This reminds me of the old thing I'd once commented upon in a Trek bulletin board. Star Trek (DS9 in particular) is great with portraying inter-species relationships. But interracial ones? Never and no way. Just examine Sisko's girlfriends/wifes. His dead wife, the one in a second season ep, Kassidy all were black. In 'The Visitor' even his son had married a black woman. And if I'm correct (though I never saw the ep) it seems that both Sisko's parents happened to be black... What a coincidence! Every white guy just happened to have a white wife, and every black guy just happened to have a black wife... (O'Brien and Keiko are an exception but they were married in TNG, not DS9)

So, Star Trek seemed (to me) to be stating that it's okay for a Ferengi to kiss a Bajoran, or a Klingon to kiss a Trill but GOD FORBID that blacks have an affair/marry whites. After all blacks and whites exist in the world as it stands today and it might seem to racists that Trek is opposing their worldview - and social commentary is the *last* thing The Powers That Be would want to give... (forgive the sarcasm )

And yeah, I obviously agree with everyone that this ban is disgusting all the way, as is the situation in Austria...
Questioner
Saturday, February 5, 2000 05:40:36 AM
IP: athe530-p208.otenet.gr

Rodlox> <<If you ever need help with words, try this: http://www.intertran.net:2000/InterTran {translator}.>> Intriguing...hey, it has Welsh! I may need that. ^_^

Warpmind> <<Dimension shifter bombs? Coward.>> Yet I'm not in danger of being eaten by ants. ;)

Aaron> <<Would you have Crzy take the stand in full costume to defend herself?>> Wouldn't it be cool if we could hire Marina Sirtis for that? :)

Jenna> <<it looks like my car is going to have to be scrapped- the thing blew a head gasket and the radiator has a million holes in it>> Ack. Glad you at least have an alternate method of transport. :) <<Pist, Coyote, and SJ- again-- I can't get red on this monitor here at home. So I have no idea what you all wrote-->> Hm...does my color show up well on your system? Because I know it's hard to read on some ppl's (I can't read it at all on the Dreamcast's browser)...Dog haiku> LOL! :D

Gaeriel, Blue Caeru> Welcome back! ^_^

Jewel> Austria, college ban on interracial dating> Dear gods, no...it's time someone did something about psychos like this...

SOROW> <<I had originally boughten a cheesecake sampler from a choir student at my school, and he was two weeks late in delivering it. It must have just recently gone bad because I had a piece last night...and oh what happened! I felt fine when I woke up this morning and was only lying in bed...then I sat up. It felt like a knife seared right through my stomach. I couldn't stand up, lean over, or lie down. I almost didn't go to school, but we had a big performance in a pep rally today that I didn't want to miss. I took 3 Tylenol and felt a little better, and then the pain all came back again. I spent 30 minutes in the bathroom throwing up the medicine I had just taken and was writhing in agony for three hours.>> ACK. Glad you're better now. :)

Caliope> <<*opens portal to tropical island and leaves it open* My island is your island! :P>> I'm more the indoors type myself. :) (Although a remote tropical island would be an interesting place to set up a research facility, once the more dangerous life forms have been neutralized...)

Reincarnated Jimmy Stewart> Um...welcome? :) I would ask you to hand in your sanity, but it looks like that isn't an issue... :)

Dennis Rodman> A little brainwashing, a little genetic surgery, and he'll make the perfect bodyguard/slave...

Bronx> <<Almost beaten it Wilek!>> ^_^

Oh, check out my name link. This is, without a doubt, the weirdest Web site I have ever seen (and yes, I've been to Radiohead)... O_o
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, February 5, 2000 02:42:40 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

****BEGIN RP!!!****
Jaden takes a good look at the current crisis.
"No way am I going near this one." He says with a small laugh, turns and walks away.
****END RP!!!****

Reasons why people keep asking about TimeDancer- Well I can think of two off the top of my head: 1. Many of the people that ask are new or they don't come in here very much so they don't know about the time between each "season"
2. All of the episodes are so great that even though it has only been about 3 months since TD ended it feels like 3 years.

****DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU****
Nazis & interracial datings bans- SON OF A....JEEZ...SHHHHHHHHHH....FOR THE LOVE OF....OF ALL THE....WHAT IN THE....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Why can't humanity just get past this crap!? This prejudice hatred gets us nothing but pain, destruction and death. I don't understand how people can buy into it. A waste of time, a waste of everything. I swear if people keep going back and forth with stuff like this then all I can say is that WE ARE SOOOOO SCREWED AS A PEOPLE. It makes so sense what so ever!
Ok calm...calm breath in and out...Hopefully that ban won't be in place every long unless the college administrators actually want to recieve holy hell from the Fed. government.
I just hope that this all just blows over soon, but I tend to over-estimate humanity so I don't know.
****SEE I WARNED YOU BUT YOU READ IT ANYWAY. DID I MAKE ANY SENSE?****

Got work in the morning so
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 02:39:22 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Opps.. that was supposed to be K2-sized pile.. not K@ LOL
Katara
Saturday, February 5, 2000 01:50:38 AM
IP: 98cdff8d.ipt.aol.com

**slowly trudges into the CR. Finding a vacant corner, she makes a large pile of pillows appear with a slight wave of her paw. Seeing ArchWolf and Bengali snoozing away, she magics a light blanket over each one of them**

Whewwww.. what a long tiring day! Busier than hell once again today. Now I'm ready to enjoy my 3-day weekend. Now I'll be able to half-way keep on top of the CR replys while avoiding anything and everything that even remoting resembles housework. *shudders at the image of the K@-sized pile of laundry in the garage*

**not having anything worth contributing, magically dims the lights in the CR and snuggles down in her pillow pile and begins to softly snore*
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 01:47:17 AM
IP: 98cdff8d.ipt.aol.com

**David enters the CR (which is weird, since he usually just drops words in without bothering to actually appear. He's holding an umbrella, even though it's not raining. The umbrella is re-inforced synthetic spidersilk with titanium spars. (It has a small repulsor lift generator to handle the extra weight).**

** Spoilers for Magnolia (though how you could possibly give away the plot is beyond me)**

Hi everybody. The umbrella is in case of frogs.

Do ya'll remember how I said Serial Experiments Lain was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen? That's not true anymore. I just saw Magnolia, which, I believe, is the result of giving a screenwriter a bunch of LSD and a notepad. I can't tell you what it's about, since I don't really know. Foreign films with no subtitles have made more sense to me. It's very strange.

If you don't particularly need a good grip on reality, and you'd like to be afraid of frogs, go see it. Just be sure to have someone else drive.

**End Spoilers for Magnolia (and may God have mercy on your souls)**

**David leaves the CR, looking dazed.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 01:33:49 AM
IP: dll2a020-0112.splitrock.net

**RP Here**
"Lathrop!" Kaioto yells, decapitating a gibbering demon with a negligent sweep of his katana as he turns towards the magic user. Flipping his blade up and over into a chopping motion, Kaioto jumps over and puts all his weight into separating the offending Pit Fiend's arm from its shoulder. Laying in a few quick shots, Kaioto leaves the Pit Fiend in helfire-burning pieces as he gives Lathrop breathing room.
Seeing the ravens pulping the pathetic summons by the small demon, Kaioto decides the gate won't be a problem as long as the magician stays alive long enough to close it. He turns away from his kill to address the sorceror.
"Neutralize demons, bar portal, THEN close portal," he says with a weak smile. "You ask me to cover you, then you try your darnedest to get killed," Kaioto shakes his head and makes a "tsk tsk" sound.
"Um, um, um …" Lathrop stammers, a look of abject horror overrunning his face. That reaction came dreadfully close to a sudden fluctuation in Infernal presence. Something big, and with a nasty red aura that just screamed …
"Khorne," the Seeker whipped around as fast as he could …
Just in time to catch a casually swipe of a 15 foot long bleeding battle axe full in the side. With a choked scream, the Seeker is ripped from the ground with a spray of blood and thrown a dozen yards through the air before crashing onto the bulkhead.
**Pause RP**

Gyre: Um … no … actually it isn't. This reminds me of another issue from philosophy class. It is this crappy cop-out theory called cultural relativism.

Cultural relativism, though accepted by about 90% of the American population to some extent, is an incredibly weak theory that is generally accepted out of mental laziness. It stems from false assumptions from social relativism. Social relativism is a simple observation that different cultures have differing ethical values. Cultural relativism falsely assumes that because each culture is different, there are no universal moral values. Thusly, cultural relativism states that morals are actually merely a cultures customs and norms. With this assumption, no culture's values can be any more right than another's, and morality is decided by what the majority in a culture decides.

Not to be confused with cultural tolerance, cultural relativism only permits tolerance of minority views if the majority wants it, as there are NO universal morals, not one. Those who go against cultural norms and customs, who oppose the majority's way of thinking, are in fact immoral.

It is easy to see the flaws in this way of thinking. The first problem is that without any objective moral values, one can not have this philosophy be a moral one if a culture chooses to reject it. In such a situation, the philosophy negates itself. If the cultural majority is of the opinion that morality is NOT dictated by the cultural majority, then they are right, thusly wrong, thusly right … etc. Since there are NO universal rules, this philosophy can not support itself unless the culture is of the opinion it is true. This again is self-dependant truth value, thusly logic would dictate that it has a null truth value and it a worthless theory to base a ethics upon.
Second major problem, it prohibits moral judgments against any culture, both internal AND external. This means that in Nazi Germany, the Nazis were moral and all who opposed them internally were immoral. It also means that we can not hold our standards of human-rights or even war crimes against Germany. We had no right to stop their death camps under this philosophy.

Relativism is tempting, but all it really does is encourage lazy thinking and allow us to cop out of having our opinions and values challenged. Without these challenges we are not forced to adapt, grow, or gain understanding about how we think. We also refuse responsibility for correcting injustices or trying to continuously get closer and closer to understanding Truth.

Almost all moral decisions are situational, but almost none are truly relative. Certainly, ALL of ethics is not relative, as all relativist philosophies crumble under both simple logic critique and practical application.

Ultimately, while we deem it a fair exercise of freedom for Austria to elect Nazi's and Fascists for leaders, we still have the right, and even the obligation to judge the moral implications of such an action as best we can.

Should Austria begin to intern Jews and build death-camps, I hope we can do something productive like send in black-ops and assassinate the key members of their government responsible. Yes, freedom and sovereignty is something we prize, but we prize freedom as an aspect of human rights. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that ALL men are created equal; and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; among these: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

We should not tolerate "ethnic cleansing" and other ways of depriving people of their basic human rights in the name of sovereignty.

It may not be right to play puppet-master or world-police, but the values line must be drawn somewhere. The UN and NATO and the US of A must too often draw this line, not because we are somehow better morally invested than everyone else, but that out of those who are witness to this kind of unjust brutality, we alone have the power to stop it. It is like being the biggest and strongest guy in the bar, when someone starts attacking patrons, everyone looks to you to do what has to be done.

When tin-plated dictators start reenacting Nazi Germany, something has to be done. This is the best I've been able to come up with in pursuit of objective truth.

One thing I find so funny about many "Democracies" in the world are that so many of them are merely elected dictatorships. And then, once the establishment has control of the massive government machine and the military, there is a one party system where democracy is merely a formality.

Bengali: You know, some people make it really hard to have an open, inclusive community. When I here people like this preacher you encountered, I start wishing we could kick people out of Christianity just so they'd stop sullying the name. Sadly, I can't. What that preacher did to you was wrong. It hurts a lot to hear all this insane gibbering about this and that being evil and how everyone who has a different opinion is going to hell. This kind of adversarial and close-minded view has ever been the bane of the positive principles of a well-meaning religion.

**Resume RP**
Lathrop looks up, his muscles seized up by an unholy sort of terror. Looming over him, this demon stood 30 feet tall at least, its entire body seemingly living armor the color of blood. Or perhaps, more accurately, the armor ~ was ~ blood. Patterns flowed all about it like liquid, but it strained like muscle and it was trimmed like armor with this wicked-looking spiked brass. A random gunshot from the other side of the battle ricocheted off the creature's flesh/armor without even a scratch.
Black horns slashing the air, the four-armed giant demon raised his battle ax and spiked whip high overhead and roared challenge, spreading its spiked leathery wings to cast an unholy shadow over the battle ground.
Then, from behind the slits of its blood-armored helm, two glowing red eyes latched onto Lathrop's as the magician rapidly tried to prepare his defense measures.
"Wizard," a brutal, resonating voice boomed as the creature raised his ax high. "An offering to my master Khorne."
The ax dropped so fast Lathrop thought he was too late with his spell. It might have been just as well. With a feeling akin to hearing glass shatter, Lathrop witnessed his most powerful shielding spell shatter with a single blow. The very force of the collision sent him staggering backwards.
With hastily chanted words and a hold-out spell components, Lathrop launched a lightening bolt at the monstrous demon. It arced out with deadly fury at the creature's chest, only to suddenly bend away at the last second and struck at its neck.
Lathrop blinked, then blinked again.
His lightening strike danced all about the black-metal spiked collar around the beast's neck, then faded from reality entirely.
With a mocking laugh, the demon raises his bleeding, wailing ax of death to finish the wizard.
It is then that insanity seems to take over Lathrop's world. Kaioto is suddenly dashing in front of him, a small line of blood across his abdomen where his black shirt seemed like it had been sliced with a razor. The Seeker turns from Lathrop to the demon and looks up at the creature, his voice filled with indignation.
"NOBODY," he booms out, "Messes with this shirt!" Practically livid, the Seeker trembles as he tucks his rage back under his professionalism.
Still, the sheer ludicrousness of the human's audacity and the oddity of his ability to survive his first attack seems to strike the murderous Bloodthirster as perplexing, if not amusing. It laughs, a cold, sadistic sound akin to the resonating echo of fingernails on chalk-boards.
"Bloodthirster," the Seeker speeks in a projected voice, this time with perfect calm, " the only skull Khorne shall have set before his bloody throne tonight is your own." The Seeker raises his katana, liken to a tooth-pick in the wake of the Demon's massive ax, and makes ready to receive the demon's attack.
**End RP**

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2000 01:05:43 AM
IP: 1cust184.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

*Enters with new Chibi-Ophelia and Chibi-Desdemona*

Doug>Thanks, they mean a lot.

Jenna>Thanks.

Warpmind>Thanks for clearing up the Chibi thing.

Green Baron>Never heard of Frederic Hayeck before, I'll look him up online.

I'm exausted so I'm gonna finish this tomorrow, Good night everyone!

*Finds a couch in the CR and falls asleep*
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Saturday, February 5, 2000 12:23:51 AM
IP: spider-ti062.proxy.aol.com

Aaron> <<Dennis is one of the last of the colorful old guard>>: For some reason, I wouldn't think of him as "old guard." But then, I pay negative attention to sports.
<<who is Sidney asking "What do you know about trilogies?">>: I have not seen any of the movies, but here's an idea: I have seen who I assume is Randy on a TV explaining trilogies, so what if she is saking one of his acquaintances who was entrusted with a video answering such questions in case of emergencies.

Revel> Kubla Khan: In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure dome decree, or somesuch. Ever read Douglas Adams's "Dirk Gently's Holitic Detective Agency"? It talks about the "second, and altogether stranger part" of Kubla Khan. (No, there is none, but that is explained)

Green Baron> h: Perhaps it was the sourrouning discussion that lead you to be more likely to find a religious mention in my post, and therefore your mind at glancing at the general shape of the word, slipped in the h.
e: without the e, it seems like it would be pronounced like you were among the first of the dark lords. (forebear -> fore-Sith). :)
<<heterosexual jokes>>: We don't get any: supposedly Woody Allen said that becoming bisexual instantly doubles your chance of getting a date.

SOROW> <<only conceived in February and not born>>: Late April here.

StK> <<it sure does feel like we've gone back a century>>: Nah, Just half a one.

Archwolf, The Revered Mrs. Morgan> Shroud of Turin: Didn't C14 dating prove it was too late by a good couple hundred years?

Jewel> <<dd in a few members of Gside's LABIA for fun>>: Weel, you can't leave out RUGBi (Rutgers Union of Gay and Bisexual Men), BiGLARU (Bisexual, Gay, and Lesbian Alliance of Rutgers University), or LLEGO (Latino/a Lesbian and Gay Organization). Yes, Rutgers is large, scary, and you can probably find anything remotely concievable here (especially in the Medium personals).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Friday, February 4, 2000 11:56:25 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

*walks in carrying anti-cold weapons* All right you stupid Virus, lets you and me Dance! *Weapons of mass destruction are fired, along with too gory details*

*Chibi Argus and Chibi Nudnik hand out candy to everyone*

Hello Everyone ^-^ **AAAACHOOOOO* *sniffs* Hehe. Almost beaten it Wilek!

Augh.. I finally get to post.. I've currently been working on a huge *bleep* research paper on why NASA's budgets shouldn't be cut... perhaps this is the reason why I Have space on the brain now.. like this RP coming up..

*** Perhaps some sucky RP Ahead! Hold Onto.. ANYTHING!***
Leonard Nemoy turns on the television planning to relax after a hectic Trekkie Convention. He is soon disturbed to find that Blue Aliens have decided to visit earth.
"This looks like a job for.. someone else." He picks up the cell phone and dials.
"Nanu Nanu!"
Nemoy looks at his phone disconcertedly, "No, dang wrong number." He tries one more time.
"Bill Shatner Here"
"Bill? It's Leonard. Yeah listen have you seen the news?"
**PAUSE**

Matrix sequels> HOLY COW! 2?! Hehehe Cant wait till those come out :)

Archwolf> <<Classes were good today, but fencing just plain stunk. Nothing went right. *banging head against wall*>> Aww.. I hope the weekend will bring you more uplifting things. *pets him*

Jenna> Love the doggie hiakus :)

Tim P> Though I cannot get to G2K this year, a mock trial regarding Demona sounds awesome!

The rock on Voyager> I have really mixed feelings about this upcoming ep. It does look like there will be some laughs out of watching it, but in a way it also says that the writers can't think up anything else good! Personally I've never really liked Voyager, but since at the moment it's the only running Trek with new episodes, I feel the need to watch it. *shrug* Go figure that one.

TALEWEAVER> <<: [Do you think your identity survives into the great beyond? It was some thing that was buzzing in my head watching Beast Machines.] *(Note, these are just my beliefs)* I would have to think so... the soul is something that carries you throughout your whole life, and sends it into the next life. It identifies what and who you are, and carries every belief that someone might have. When the time has come for the body to cease, the soul will go on. I'm catholic, and I was always taught that when the body is buried, the soul does not stay, rather it goes to heaven.

Timedancer- coming soon? *wags tail* yay.

**RESUME RP!***
"Hmmm Aliens that look like something out of that group Effiel 64" Bill looked at the tele, people frantically running for their lives.
"You realise Bill that we have to send someone to clear this mess up, the fans always turn to sci-fi gods first!"
"I know.. And I have just the person in mind to fix this."
**TO BE CONTINUED***

That's all folks! g'night!

"Sleep, my pretty one. Rest now, my pretty one. Close your eyes, the day is nearly done. Rest your head, tomorrow will surely come." (Heh... I couldnt resist not putting a BatB quote in.. ahhh now sometimes I wish I was born in the early 80's)











Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 11:35:09 PM
IP: spider-tr011.proxy.aol.com

I just finished watching one of the stupidest movies ever made. Some Japanse horror movie called "Damajin." No matter how bored any of you are, never rent this movie. I was bored to *tears*.

And people, rejoice! "Sliders" is no more!!!

Dennis Rodman: He cussed out Mormons? How the heck did I miss hearing about that one? What happened? And for the record, I like the guy, too--he's brutally honest, and I like that. And any (straight) guy with the guts to wear a wedding dress in public has to be admired for that...

SJ: Oh, you poor thing for going to that school. I shudder just thinking about it... Although then I think about what would happen if a busload of BMC BGALA (Bi-sexual And Lesbian Association) members got dumped there, and that makes me smile, as visions of terrified rednecks run through my mind...shoot, add in a few members of Gside's LABIA for fun...hee hee hee...heeheeheeheehee...

Buffy: If they can it, that will just stink...big time...

jewel
Friday, February 4, 2000 11:03:01 PM
IP: atlnb102-15.splitrock.net

This post brought to you in one-time-only, Jenna-friendly white!! ;)

***BEGIN RP***
Sammael--the demon possessing SJ--picked up Dyspare and dragged him to the side while the rest of the heroes battled the demons. In all of the confusion, he was able to spirit the little demon away without anyone noticing--except Kari, who cautiously followed the pair.
"You moron!" Sammael hissed. "What are you doing?"
"Sam? Is...is that you? Do you remember me, finally?" Dyspare moaned.
"Yeah, I remember. But why did you open that portal? You know we're not supposed to do stuff like that!"
"They were gonna kill me!" Dyspare whined. He squirmed in Sammael's grip. "I had to do something!"
"The boss won't understand," Sammael countered. "Perfect, just perfect. Now things are complicated."
Kari approached him cautiously. "SJ? But...you aren't him are you?"
"No. My name is Sammael. Look, I'll clear everything up, I promise."
"You better," she replied harshly. "I WANT SJ back. YOU are going to bring him back to me."
"Okay. Okay, I think I can do that. But first I have to--" he was cut off by a viscious roar. "What the--"
Dyspare squealed in fear.
Sammael's jaw dropped. "Oh no....Dyspare, please tell me you didn't summon what I think you summoned...."
Before their horrified eyes, a huge, inhuman beast erupted from the portal....
***PAUSE RP***

Entertainment News!!!
Let's see....I guess the most interesting thing that's been reported today is that Fox has greenlighted a pilot for the very first X-Files spinoff show. And it'll focus on the misadventures of none other than the "Lone Gunmen"! Apparently, the series, if it gets picked up, will deal with the 3 Gunmen as they deal with the paranormal in their own weekly adventures....
For some reason, I'm not that enthusiastic about this show. I don't know, maybe it's cause I'm kind of burned on the X-Files...or maybe it's cause I don't know what I really think about a Gunmen spinoff. I still say that a cool way to end the X-Files would be for an alien apocalypse to occur...

Matrix sequels: The word out now is that TWO sequels will begin shooting THIS winter, back to back. We could see the first of the sequels as early as the summer of 2001. Keanu will be back, as will Laurence and Carrie-Ann Moss....hey, if it has nifty CGI and folks wearing black leather flying around on wires again, I'll watch it. ;)

Angel news: Accomplished actress (and super babe!) Bai Ling (she's played in Red Corner with Richard Gere, Anna and the King with Hong Kong god Chow Yun-Fat, and with one of my top-five favorite actors, Brandon Lee, in the Crow) will be guest starring on an upcoming episode of Angel. And word out is that she'll be either a heavy guest regular or a full fledged cast member. Nothing on which side of supernatural fence she'll be fighting on, though.

Reincarnated Jimmy: Somebody's spending some time late at night watching Conan O'Brien, huh? ;) Tell the Masturbating Bear and the Robot on the Toilet hello for me, kay?

Doug: I believe that the reason Buffy may get cancelled is because the show airs on the WB, but is owned and operated by Fox. The WB, apparently, isn't that happy to have a hit show which they aren't getting much cash for...so they may very well be willing to axe it after the contract runs out next year. Shysters. It's all about the Benjamins.

Dennis Rodman: People love to hate this guy. I'm the exact opposite--I love this guy. He's completely rude, he's a thug, he's a borderline alcoholic, he screws anything that walks (I'll never forget that classic press conference where he proudly declared that he received oral favors from his wife Carmen Electra the previous night)...he's a complete wreck. That's why I like him! He's entertaining! In a mean-spirited sort of way, I can look at him, at the mess that is Dennis Rodman, and I feel a little better about myself. My life may suck, but hey, I didn't get fined several thousand dollars for cursing out Mormons or beating up a camera man!

Jenna: My earlier comments were mainly just in regards to me giving you my support, and hoping that you find a new job. It encourages me that you seem to have some offers :) I'll pray for you and your husband, and I really hope you can find a better job soon :)

Warpmind: No problem with the RP! I don't want to hoard it all for myself, so I have no problem whatsoever with you jumping right in! ;)

SOROW: Ugh, sounds like you may have had a touch of food poisoning. I got that once, from a Subway sandwhich (in retrospect, I should have sued their asses off). Not fun. I was violently ill for at least two days, my stomach felt like it was being lovingly caressed by Edward Scissorhands, and in a move that drew the concern of my girlfriend at the time, my lips started to turn blue. It was not a good day in my neighborhood! ;)

Jewel: Ooooh boy, that's a "stickey wicket", as the old cliche goes.

First off, let me begin by telling my tale of Bob Jones University, cause I actually VISITED there for a couple days. In high school, I went to a private parochial school for a time. They had this annual competition called "ODACS", which was a big school competition (something to note--if you haven't heard of this, it's probably because it's only found in private, parochial schools). They had everything in there, from Science projects to drama to testing to (cause it was a parochial school) Bible trivia. I was involved in a little reader's theatre thing, and eventually my "troupe" won the local and state competitions. So we got to go to the national competition, and they shipped us (and all the other folks in the school who made it past the state level) down to Bob Jones University, where the national competition was held.
This is a school that scared the hell out of me. I got real freaked out there; it almost made me swear off college, cause the school is run like like a damn internment camp. First off, the place is super, ultra conservative. I can deal with that, cause I'm a bleeding heart conservative myself (although they were more than a little fascist). Get this though--Women and men's dorms were completely segregated. They had a campus dress code--the women had to wear full-length skirts, the men had to dress in professional clothes (meaning slacks instead of jeans or shorts). Weekly Bible lessons were fairly mandatory. And this--this is the part that really got me--if you were a freshman or a sophomore, you couldn't date another freshman or sophomore. You couldn't even LEAVE the campus if you were an underclassmen, unless you had a chaperon (such as a senior) to accompany you. It was the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. You could look across the university and see nothing but a see of white-bread faces. It was like the Anglos meeting the Saxons.
And to top it all off....my friend (who came with me, he won for poetry writing) and I get stuck in the same room with this young student. He was a good kid. Big redneck though, and naive as all hell. He scared me a little, cause he hated Lincoln. Yes, that's right. Remember Lincoln? The guy who, oh, did a little thing called Freed The Slaves? This kid didn't like him at all. I was expecting Jim Crow to walk in the door. I breathed a sigh of relief when we finally layed rubber and hightailed it out of there.
So it doesn't surprise me that the campus bans interracial relationships. They don't seem to like *any* relationships amongst students, and they were very....how do I say this....WASP friendly. For the record though, I'm a big fan of interracial relationships. That's my problem--I love all women ;)

And that Austrian thing gives me the heebie jeebies and the willies. Beautiful--Austria is going back to the Fuhrer, and we got a former KGB agent running Russia. I'm gonna stay in my own country for a little while longer.

***RESUME RP, with some funky stuff coming up!!!***
Mephisto looked at Deavik. "And why should I tell you anything of my plans?"
"Because it's quite apparent that they've fallen to pieces, already. Not to mention endangered my own plans for the Avatar of Ganon," the other demon lord replied.
"The....inability....of my servants is painfully clear, Deavik."
"Then perhaps you'll tell me your plans, and if I like them, perhaps I'll help you out."
"And what will this sudden altruism cost me?"
Deavik leered. "Part of the action, of course."
Mephisto sighed, and closed his eyes. He debated himself for a moment, then looked again at Deavik. "You want to know why I'm so interested in the Avatar? In exactly one week, cosmic shifts will occur that will place the Avatar in perfect alignment with Sol."
"The sun? What does that have to do with anything?"
"You haven't done your astrology," Mephisto chided. "And you don't know where we are, really, do you?"
"We're in the nether regions."
"Yes, but where is Hell? No one really knows. After all, portals are the only way in or out. There isn't exactly an elevator leading down here."
"Who cares where Hell is?"
"Don't you get it? Hell is IN Sol. We're IN the center of the Sun. A dimensional realm trapped inside the sun. And with the Avatar aligned perfectly with it, as well as the other planets being in a carefully configured alignment, we can break the Seals."
Deavik looked unnerved. "You can't mean--"
"Yes, Deavik," Mephisto grinned. "We can cast a ritual to break the Seals. And then our doors open. We will be free once again, to lead our armies against the creatures of light and flesh."
"You...are talking about....Ragnarok."
Mephisto nodded. "The End."
****END RP FOR NOW****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 10:45:41 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Hey, Christine, you will get a kick out of this: I am watching some sort of "Exploring the Unknown" type thing, and the narrators are talking about trying to get dna out of the Shroud of Turin.
Gotta run again
Shade and Sweet Water
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Friday, February 4, 2000 10:36:34 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

A small fiddler crab walks in, holding a cigarette in one pincer.

Uh, uh, hi everyone. I'm ah... Reincarnated Jimmy Stewart. And I'm a crab! Isn't that neat? I know, I didn't smoke when I was human, but now that I'm a crab... I do! Pretty swell huh? I think ah'll... Ah... Hang around here for a while... Yeah...
Reincarnated Jimmy Stewart
Friday, February 4, 2000 10:26:07 PM
IP: spider-we053.proxy.aol.com

Nazis in Austria and American Colleges that ban interracial dating> Geez, it sure does feel like we've gone back a century.

Skippy The Klingon
Friday, February 4, 2000 10:06:24 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-08.ultravision.net

*portals back in and grabs all the stuff...looks at coins suspecious...sniffs.....mmmmmmmmm....chocolate :P....(doh!) *

You wont brooky back already?!!?...lemme see...*peeks into a portal and yells: * Have you mastered those waves yet brooky?!?!!? Ooooo That must a hurt! Wipe out!!! :P

I think he needs some more practice!

About you comming over...well, gee Alex...I donno, I mean this IS my private Island and all....OK! I know!!! I'll leave the portal open so we can surf and still talk to ppl! Common over!!!

Anyone else is welcome to come too!!!

*opens portal to tropical island and leaves it open* My island is your island! :P
Caliope
Friday, February 4, 2000 08:32:22 PM
IP: proxy.coqui.net

GAERIEL - Glad to hear that you like "Pendragon". We've got a good season for that one coming up.

And, without giving too much away, both Lucy and Brianna (especially Brianna) will be in for some more character development this upcoming season. *glances nervously at the rest of the TGS staff* Er, that is okay to tell them that, isn't it?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, February 4, 2000 08:14:25 PM
IP: 216-88-191-239.dialup-stl.primary.net

*opens a portal and is now levitating in the middle of the room*
Heck... thought I'd try an entrance, I'll think of something more exciting later on though :P

SOROW > But don't feel sad!! Sure the throwing up thing is kinda bad, but being mentioned as a role model shoulw show you how the whole day brighten! ^_^
You most then be a much better person then you give yourself credit for! kudos! :P
You should feel happy and remember to keep doing whatever it is you do.
People DO notice you! You just learned that today. So be happy and keep being the good person you are, cause it seems more people are paying attention then you think. ^_^

ok...... I'll post later...
Ja ne!
(btw... Caliope hasn't given my precious chibi-Brooklyn back! They're out there on some SPA in Honolulu or somewhere and she still hasn't come to pick me up!
I'm gonna have to talk to that girl! :P)
ok... now really...
Ja ne! ^_^
Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 07:59:06 PM
IP: proxy2.coqui.net

ARG!! WHOLE POST LOST!! DAMNED DEMON FINGERS!!!!

Shoot .. what had I just said? Hmm ...

Okay, I remember.

GB: Hatch is out of the race already after his abysmal showing in Iowa.

Mandi: Check yer e-mail.

Gside: If LABIA is anything like you've described, you don't have to worry about the United Feminists starting up a branch ... they already have.

Mara-ko: You know I'm willing to help ya, sweetie. **big kiss** hope to talk to ya later tonight. :)

On that note, I believe I'm gonna end this post and enjoy my weekend (a rarity that I have an entire one off).
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, February 4, 2000 07:57:02 PM
IP: zzz-209252248209.splitrock.net

*Stumbling into the room*Anyone ever seen a grown Archwolf cry in frustration? If you don't want to, don't read. Anyway.

Classes were good today, but fencing just plain stunk. Nothing went right. *banging head against wall*

Green Baron>Um, nope. Cant say that is an alias I have used.

On the lighter side of things, my sister and her boyfriend have gotten engaged, and He asked if i would stand for him at the weading (and invited my to the stag party).

Shade and sweet water
*lays down in the corner and sleeps*



Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Friday, February 4, 2000 07:47:12 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

People are probably going to take me the wrong way, but in the matter of Austria's new government, isn't that a matter for Austrians to decide?
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, February 4, 2000 07:43:49 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp33.fltg.net

I think I can safely say that this was the worst day of the new year. Would you like to know why? Well, I'll tell you. I had originally boughten a cheesecake sampler from a choir student at my school, and he was two weeks late in delivering it. It must have just recently gone bad because I had a piece last night...and oh what happened! I felt fine when I woke up this morning and was only lying in bed...then I sat up. It felt like a knife seared right through my stomach. I couldn't stand up, lean over, or lie down. I almost didn't go to school, but we had a big performance in a pep rally today that I didn't want to miss. I took 3 Tylenol and felt a little better, and then the pain all came back again. I spent 30 minutes in the bathroom throwing up the medicine I had just taken and was writhing in agony for three hours. After that, I felt fine and performed in the pep rally. After we had practice at school, we sat in a circle and everyone told who they thought was the best role model of the team. I was having a bad day, and then someone actually said my name (which never happens because I'm never noticed) and I started crying in front of the whole team because I was so honored to be called a role model. Usually the girls who are mean to me are the team's "role models." I'm just trying to find ways to clam down now, and this seemed like the best place.

Joe> I wouldn't be whining. I think you get more than enough of your share :)

GB> Hey! What do you think I am?! :P

Robby> Timedancer is my favorite saga not only because Brooklyn is my favorite character, but because the stories are never the same. I always enjoy reading about a different place with different characters and new problems. And Brooklyn and Sata are such deep characters. They have stronger beliefs than most of the others, or just seem to show them more, and live by hope. And the whole idea with Harthoth, Apep, Meryt, and Isfet is absolutely brilliant! I really hope to see them again. And when Timedancer is running, I always have better days...hardly waiting to get home and read the next story. I love it!

There aren't ANY February birthdays?! I guess you're only conceived in February and not born :) Yea to November!
SOROW
Friday, February 4, 2000 07:37:16 PM
IP: dll2a010-0551.splitrock.net

Today is not a happy-fun news day.

There is a college that bans interracial dating on compus. And everyone's favorite "Compassionate Conservative" (whose Louisiana campaign manager, BTW, bought a mailing list from David Duke) was there speaking.

http://www.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/02/03/bob_jones/index.html

It's never fun watching the world spin back in time to the 1930's...Bleh...
jewel
Friday, February 4, 2000 07:17:25 PM
IP: 98cd0907.ipt.aol.com

Jewel- you heard about that wacko too, huh? pretty scary..
jenna
Friday, February 4, 2000 06:54:24 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-142-220.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

Heil Hitler!

Yes, folks, that proud rallying cry will soon be heard in Austria once again. They just swore in as chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel of the "Freedom" Party, and party member Suzanne Riess-Passer as vice chancellor.

Israel has already pulled teir ambassador, Finland suspended relations with Osterreich, and all the countries of the EU are saying, more or less, "This sucks big time" via political sanctions.

The head of the Party, Heider, has in the past praised Adolf Hitler's ``orderly employment'' policies and lauded veterans of the Waffen SS as ``decent people of good character.''

The ministries of finance, social affairs, defense, infrastructure and justice are held by the Freedom Party.
The People's Party, which is just the *teeniest* bit left of the Freedom Party, holds the ministries of foreign affairs, economics, interior, education, and agriculture and environment.

So practice your goose-steps and brush up on your "Heil!"s, and this time, get ready to persecute a few Pakistanis and everyone else whose not Aryan.

Aiya.
jewel
Friday, February 4, 2000 06:44:35 PM
IP: spider-tf014.proxy.aol.com

I got these doggie haikus- I thought I'd pass them along- they are hilarious- and the scariest thing is that they are all true :P :P

dog haiku

I love my master;
Thus I perfume myself with
This long-rotten squirrel.

I lie belly up
In the sunshine, happier than
You'll ever be

Today I sniffed
Many dog behinds - I celebrate
By kissing your face.

I sound the alarm!
Paper boy - come to kill us all -
Look! Look! Look! Look! Look!

I sound the alarm!
Garbage man - come to kill us all -
Look! Look! Look! Look! Look!

I lift my leg and
Whiz on each bush. Hello, Spot -
Sniff this and weep

How do I love thee?
The ways are numberless as
My hairs on the rug.

My human is home!
I am so ecstatic I have
Made a puddle

I hate my choke chain -
Look, world, they strangle me!
Ack Ack Ack Ack Ack!

Sleeping here, My chin
On your foot - no greater bliss - well,
Maybe catching rats

Look in my eyes and
Deny it. No human could
Love you as much as I do

The cat is not all
Bad - she fills the litter box
With Tootsie Rolls

Dig under the fence - why?
Because it's there. Because it's
There. Because it's there.

I am your best friend,
Now, always, and especially
When you are eating.

My owners' mood is
Romantic - I lie near their
Feet. I fart a big one.


jenna
Friday, February 4, 2000 06:39:50 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-142-220.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

Hey everyone, I know it's been a while, but I just want to wish you all a Happy Chinese New Year. :-)
Blue Caeru
Friday, February 4, 2000 06:36:31 PM
IP: spider-th072.proxy.aol.com

I agree with Mandi that Madoc was not completely responsible for anti-gargoyle prejudice among humans; in fact, I think that there would have to have been some of it there in them to begin with (an attitude that I take in general about gargophobia, regardless of what any catalyst might have done. You might recall my earlier argument that even without Demona's attack on Gillecomgain in 994, he'd still have grown up to become a troublemaker of some sort). Madoc encouraged it, but it had to have been there before he came along for him to have had something to build on.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, February 4, 2000 06:25:39 PM
IP: 216.87.46.95.dialup-stl.primary.net

I know you people probably don't remember me. I only posted
for a little while back at the begining of the year, but I've been a lurker for way longer then that and felt compeled to post....
I've read all of the main TGS series and Pendragon, but I
sort of lost interest in Timedancer right in the middle of
the season finale. Never could get interested in Dark Ages.
No offense or disrespect to those who right it is intended,
I'm werid when it comes to what I read. Pendragon is probably my fav. and the main series a close second, but if
or when Graeme and Ariana become regular charcters or whatever my interest in Timedancer will probably renew itself.....:)

To all that are down on their luck-> I'm sorry and I things
get better for y'all :)

Well, I'm lazy and don't want to take the time write anything else or re-check for typos so I'll take my leave.

*Gaeri excits the CR after waving good-bye to all*

Gaeriel - [Gaeriel@mad.scientist.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 05:57:56 PM
IP: max5-32.gtcom.net

RP WARNING!!
**Jennifer Love Hewitt has finally entered the Green Baron's modest uptown home and discovered the Tardis found in his bedroom that leads to his own base and Attila's as well (but no time travel abilities).

She feels dirty and tired from the bus ride, so she throws all of her clothes in a pile in GB's bedroom and then proceeds to take a shower. Thirty minutes later, she returns and sees the Baron sleeping on his side and decides to join him.**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!

Archwolf> Actually I thought you might also go by Cindy the Werewolf, but I guess not.

Jewel> You might find this a little amusing, but Harvey Firestein recently said he was offended when heterosexual actors played homosexuals.

As for Religion, it is man made, so I guess that is to be expected somewhat.

SJ> As far as I am concerned, groups like the Aryan Nation are major herectics, and I'd like tos end forth a few units of Norman Crusaders to get medieval on their buttocks :)

Presidential Primaries> McCain has a slight lead in South Carolina according to some polls. Bradley should do better in Yankeeland and the planet-state of California. Gary Bauer dropped out. I think the pancakes did him in :)

Willow> I'm not really much of a Buffy fan, just beacuse I don't have time to watch it, but I don't think anything is worng with that. The Ellen thing was done to stir up interest and controversy and give the show a second season. I personally think sexuality is a rather minor part of someone's character and people make too big deal a deal about it. Does it make them any less of a person? No. Does it make them better? No. I am a heterosexual, butmy nature tends to be somewhat feminine, because of a domineering mother, while Rock Hudson was a homosexual, as was John Milton, a leading Puritan propagandist.

Pistoff> Well, George W. was teh first Governor in Texas to be re-elected in decades, plus he defeated "Grandma" Ann Richards. I just don't want that demagouge Al Gore to be elected. McCain is my choice, though if Orrin Hatch is elected, ploygamy will be legal :)

Joe Boxer> <<No, I just get a little horny sometimes.>> It's called being male, and SOROW can alway sspank you if you get out-of-line :)

Gside> I wonder why I thought there was an h. Then again, everything thinks there is an "e" at the end of my last name.

Jessie> Hmm...maybe you, Mandi, and Aaron could form a good group and maybe Zath, too.

Jaden> Well, if JFK's brother was killed, I doubt it would be a tragedy :)

warpmind> :E

Samira> <<No one jokes on or makes cracks about straight people>> Actually, I'd like to hear some heterosexual jokes if any exist. They might be rather amusing :)

Bengali> If you want to learn about an inetresting atheist, I recommend Frederic Hayek. He has no relation to Selma, but he was a brilliant Economist.

Chibis> Attila just told me he has a chibi-Alan Greenspan :)

SJ> Anne Heche? Personally, I don't find her that attractive. Now, Ann Coulter.....she's worth watching Riveral Live for :)

Tim P> Being a Con Law student, I could be the judge :)

RESUME RP!!
**Love slips under the covers and begins to seduce GB. At firts he sleeps smiling, being in a dream and also expecting a scout to be flirting with him like usual, but he wakes up to see a pair of jeans and a pink sweater discarder in a corner and Jennifer's face pops up out of the covers and she wraps her arms around his head and just kisses him for about ten minutes, until all five Catholci school girl scouts burst through the door with their eyes glowing red and a strange siren sound coming from them...**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, February 4, 2000 05:47:13 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Well, we got our phone connected! Yea!!! On the bad side though, it looks like my car is going to have to be scrapped- the thing blew a head gasket and the radiator has a million holes in it- Mike is going to be able to fix his car, so we --Hopefully-- will have some type of transportation for job hunting- some services have already called me, asking when can I come in to see them- and that makes me feel real good. Also applying to some ads I read this weekend. I feel hopeful.

Ironically, the walking everywhere- to the store- to the bus- from the bus- has helped lift anytype of depression. Ah, the benefits of Exercise.

Well, I went my old place of employment to get my severence pay. Everyone there was in a bad mood- in the meeting it was announced by the CEO that they had a 50% chance of mergeing--not good. They are "trimmng the fat" so to speak to make things look good to the stock holders. And this when other Oil and gas companies are beginning to pick up a lot of business-- that tells a lot of people that the 50% chance is a lot higher- the Ceo is going to sell most likely. I suppose it's good I got let go first, so I can get a jumpstart on finding something else before the company is taken to the slaughter house.

The mood over all was sombre-- alot of people were gone- so it wasn't really the company I knew anymore. I was glad I saw that- it made the closure a lot easier.

I'm still scared, but I'll manage.


Now on to responses----


First off: my em addy at my old work Jennifer.Garica@glm.com is no longer valid. So if anyone ems me there- dont expect me ever to get it.

Taleweaver- regarding souls-- I think Airwalker pretty much sums it up. I don't think when death comes, the inviduality of someone dissolves. A very "western" belief, yes, but thats just my opinon.

Pist, Coyote, and SJ- again-- I can't get red on this monitor here at home. So I have no idea what you all wrote--

Pist- from the way things sound by other's responses- sounds like bad job troubles-- man, I know what that is like- hang in there.

Chibi- role call-- well, I have never had one, and I wasn't going to get one-- but what the hell, they are so cool- I canna resist--

Jenna pulls out one Chibi-Hudson, a Chibi-Thailog, Chibi-Salome; Chibi-Bathsheba--

Well, here's my little Chibi battalion.

^_^

Christine- may send you an em regarding Avalon Mists.

And now onto a little more serious discussion.

Bengali-- I know where you are coming from - I have had my share of rabid zealots telling me I had a ticket to hell, and I know how much that hurts-- wanna know why I was told that I was destined for a one-way ticket-- I like video games, D&D, and Magic in stories..

I hate zealotry- Ive said it before- but alot of them do evil in the name of rightousness-- and guess what--it's still evil!!!

I myself am Christian, but don't belong to a specific sect- my writings are spiritual, but I don't try to shove my beliefs down someone's throat- that type of hostility and agression that involves in doing that really turns me off. Jewel has a point- sometimes organized religion is more about Men than God- esp. when you run into crap like that.
It's ego, men's ego- and some time it seems people try to get "points" with God- like he works that way..

To me, words are meaningless with out action. I really don't buy it when some one says-- "I'm so holy" -- because if you really are- you don't talk about it- you are humble- not proud not self-rightous.

For my self, I try to study alot, and have a personal relationship with God.--that is the focus of my "spritual life" and by "doing unto others". If you don't do this- it doesn't matter weather you have faith or not- faith without works is dead. Again, Actions not words. I me, some who is kind but does not believe in God, is closer to the Divine, than someone who does and is cruel or hypocritical.

And don't think that God judges like men do-- Only He knows what is in someone's heart- and He's not a fool, the way so many men are-

Now about Athiests being Satanic--

Oh, please. I don't buy that at all. One is one, and one is the other. The athiests I know are very good people, and it's no ones perogative or business saying- who is going where after they die.

To be an Athiest is to say " I don't believe in a Higher Power" to be a satanist is to say "I believe in a higher power, and I choose to oppose it and to do evil and enjoy it." Again- One is one and one is the other. Black and white.

Bengali- I hope this ramble helped you a bit...

All for now--




jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
houston, TX
Friday, February 4, 2000 05:30:25 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-142-6.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

Races into the room followed by a barrage of Chibis
"Eeek" She screams..They're done,Pulls Chibi Angel closer
It's hard to part with this one, watches as Chibi Jupiter drools over ChibiSquall
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Friday, February 4, 2000 04:50:15 PM
IP: user-37kaph5.dialup.mindspring.com

*Walks in and falls on the ground*
I tell you there's nothing like finishing a Friday. It's just got a nice ring to it, "Weekend." It's Friday fellow Demons and what does that mean? Well depending on who and where you are maybe that does not mean spit. But anyhow The weekend means to me a moment of relaxation before having to jump head first in to the boat load of projects that are lined up for me. I've got an analisis of "Kubla Khan" due Mon. and boy you want to talk about messed up. The mentioning of it in one of the TGS main stories, I don't remember which one, made me want to read the whole thing. I found out by doing a little side reading and a discussion with the teacher that Coleridge was coming off an Opium high when he wrote that. (eeh, creepy) So that should be fun.
Doug- I'd like to help you out with your drawings, but I don't have a scanner for access. If you E-mail me some more details I'm sure I could figure something out.
TimeDancer- Well I don't know if there is anything else to say that hasn't already been made clear. It is a very, very well written series and it's what got me hooked at this location.
Oh well I guess I'll crawl back to that hole in the wall I call a room and enjoy my relax for now.
(But I'll be back, MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!)
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
Denton, Tx
Friday, February 4, 2000 03:57:04 PM
IP: spider-wd032.proxy.aol.com

Christine: Sounds like Avalon Mists needs a lot of stuff. :( I'd gladly contribute one or two character spotlights, if I could find someone else to draw the pics (the characters in question are Jade and Nikki, yeah, I know I have a pics of both of them in dragon form from Kyryn but I don't have a good human form one of either. If anyone wants to do one, please drop me a line.). Hope you get a lot of other stuff sent in in addition to whatever I send. :)

Tim P: The trial of Demona? Interesting idea. Wish I was coming to the Gathering so I could participate. <sigh> Oh well, someone should be taping it. I'll just catch all the action then. :)

Have to get to my next class now. More later.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, February 4, 2000 03:15:12 PM
IP: cache2.gw.utexas.edu

Dang, I hate when I miss stuff.

Tim P.> Interesting idea. Would you have Crzy take the stand in full costume to defend herself?

Which is giving me a really wicked idea: G2K should have both Jerico and Frank Black in attendance. Do you *really* think either of those two would let this go on?

Just as sentence is about to be pronounced Frank and Jerico (The only way you'll ever see those two work together, I can assure you. Unless Coyote does a sequel to WCC) come busting in Spanish Inquisition-style, and retrieve Demmie.

(Of course, they might try to cap each other once they got out the door)

Anyway, just one of those weird ideas.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, February 4, 2000 02:58:22 PM
IP: ppp-27.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Aaron dances into the CR, earning looks of serious disgust from everyone else. (Me dancing is *UGLY*)

Skippy beat me to it, but I still gotta dance! M'man, Dennis Rodman, is back in the NBA. I know probably most people here don't care, and maybe the rest aren't happy, but I like Dennis. He makes the game fun to watch. And with Barkley gone, Dennis is one of the last of the colorful old guard.

Hmmm, Rodman is kinda like Jerico. Either ya love him or ya loathe him, but everybody's got an opinion.

Skippy> Fox Sports Southwest shows Mavs games sometimes.

Today is the birthday of George Romero and Alice Cooper. Oh yeah, and some dork named J. Danforth Quayle.

Willow> I would like to say now that I'm not a Buffy fan. I'm probably the only person who liked the movie. But I absorb enough of it in here to feel like I can take a stab at this.

Now, with all the weirdness in the Buffyverse, it sometimes seems like it's the people who aren't supernatural are the minority. But how many witches have we seen? (Not rhetorical, I just don't know)

Historically, witches are portrayed very negatively. Willow is the "nice one" on the show. She may have serious issues about this conflict.

Now, let's say you're a witch. A witch who's magic has fast, tangible results. Seems pretty cool, right? But think about it. This power makes you DIFFERENT. You're a freak. (Again, this may not be such a big deal in the wild, weird Buffyverse) You spend your life trying to cope with having this power that brings you pain.

Now along comes somebody else. Somebody like you. Someone who understands what you're going through. Somebody you're spending a lot of time with. I think the temptation would be there to fall for that person, whoever or whatever they were.

But that's just .02. (Personally, the thing I find funniest about this is that if you check Ask Greg, there's a ramble dated just before this story broke about how much Greg admires Joss Whedon for being willing to take chances with his major characters)

J. Feff> You're right. August is coming up fast, and there's apparently limited space at the inn. I'd be willing to share the cost of a room at 25-50% depending on the size of the room and the number of additional roommates. Jenna, should I save you a place?

Mara> Hyena-chan boxers? Somewhere, our mystery man is throwing darts at a picture of Xellos-kun. Lawn darts.

Scream 3/Randy's dead> I know he supposedly got killed in the second one, but if he's dead then who is Sidney asking "What do you know about trilogies?" in the promos? It sounds like Randy to me.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, February 4, 2000 02:40:12 PM
IP: ppp-27.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

I know that I'm not part of the Gatherin Staff but I just finished watching "Law & Order" and I just got an idea for Gathering 2000.

Demona is a raving, murderous, psycho, but she is also a victum of circumstance and insanity. Should she be held completly responsible for her actions? We've debated this nmerous times here in the Comment Room. Why not actually do something about it? I suggest that one of the events for G2K to be a mock trial. We assume that Demona has been captured and is waiting for the trial to determine her fate. Gathering attendants can assume the identities of Defense Lawyers, Prosecuters, jury members, witness, and the judge.

We could have fans with law degrees or legal experience to play the lawyers.

We could write letters to Mills Lane to ask him to priside as the judge. That way if a fight breaks out, he can double as a referee!

"LET'S GET IT ON!"
Tim P
Friday, February 4, 2000 02:35:20 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

*Warpmind enters, rolling a cart containing two chibis, one of which is quite pregnant right now.*
Hullo. Under the threat of electrocution, chibi Maggie and chibi Talon here have convinced me to be at 24/7 alertness for them. I don't know who's most stressed, chibi Talon or me...

Xanathar: I know this is in poor taste... but stay cool, bud, we all sympathize.

Christine: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. ;) Actually, I'm planning to read your book when it's done, no matter what. Which reminds me... I was in an amusing discussion recently. There was the subject of being a "lover of good writing" in discussion, and apparently, someone in the IRC channel was familiar with your works... you were referred to as a "writer of good loving". Quite apt description, eh? :)

Well, gotta run.

*Warpmind rolls the cart out again, the two chibis snoring loudly.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, February 4, 2000 02:27:07 PM
IP: mp-217-217-48.daxnet.no

Avalon Mists > just a reminder, the deadline for the Spring issue is the last Wednesday in February. Still looking for pics, fics, character spotlights, and in fact just about everything!

Warpmind > yes, "The Gifted" will be borrowing the basic theme of boosting psychic potential in children, though it will probably wind up bearing little actual resemblance to the Institute story. Which is a good thing.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 01:43:08 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Ugh, I hate packing.

I'm starting to move my stuff down to a room on second floor... because while I love the location of my 3rd floor room, the other occupants of this floor section are driving me up the wall. All my friends are down on 2East anyway. Problem is, I just opened up room 233 for the first time and immediately got on the phone with Shop to get the broken closet shelves fixed, the telecommunications rep to get the phone working, and End User Computing to get the network drop activated. I wish I could just wave my hand and switch my 3rd-floor room with the one on 2nd floor. The room I'm in now got a lot less abuse than 233 did (it's had a long line of juniors with their own rooms instead of tons of freshmen). But after the drunken Super Bowl party spilled out into the hall last weekend, I just about had it with the people in this floor section.

Now, though, I'm starting to wonder if the room change was such a good idea...

Buffy & Tara> I'm opposed to this, but not because of the fact that it's a lesbian relationship - it's not TOTALLY out of the blue, if you think back to "Dopplegangland." It irritates me only because Oz and Willow have reigned as my absolute favorite couple, and I've held on to a rather irrational hope that they might get back together soon. Tara/Willow kind of makes that seem impossible now, and after "Amends," I doubt Joss would pull that again. *sigh* I'd be more accepting if the "Fear, Itself" rerun didn't remind me of how much I liked those two. Here's hoping "Knockaround Guys" turns out to be as good as I've heard it might be.

Skippy> <<I expect Buffy will be the overreacting
one, Giles will be typically "oh, my", Xander will just be at a loss for words, Anya will be supportive; but tactless, and Spike will be smugly amused by this turn of events... What do you think ? >> I think your predictions are right on the money. I can just see the gang reacting that way. (And while I don't think Riley and Buffy are that great together, something tells me he might be helpful in calming her down when she overreacts.)

G2000> God, I need to start thinking about this. Is there a roomie message board I can post on like last year's had? Looking at the airfare rates, I think I'm going to need some.

SJ> If the choice is between those three... while Jude Law is a great actor, IMO (he stole the movie in "Gattaca") he's too old, and I'll boycott the film if Leo gets the part. Freddie Prinze Jr. would be okay in comparison. But I *still* think Nicholas Brendon would be awesome. I know it'll never happen, of course. :)

Coyote> If you're really desperate to get that scanned, would you risk sending me the pics by snail mail? I can always go up to the lit magazine office and take advantage of the new HP scanner we have here. (I'm the associate editor. No one would care.) E-mail me.

Airwalker re: Madoc's involvement> I wasn't on the staff when that was decided, so I'll offer my take: I don't think Madoc was solely to blame for all the gargoyles' hardships. I'll bet even without his involvement the prejudice would have still been far-flung. He just took the potential that was there and manipulated it for his own gains.

X-Men> I'm starting to think they should have just gone for a full-length animated film with a good animation studio.

Buffy getting booted> *sigh* And this is the show that really launched the WB, too. I hope that Fox's legal team is as vicious in trying to keep the show running as they were about shutting down fan sites.

**sighs and glares at the mess of stuff piled around her room** I suppose I should either resume packing or at least get some homework done. I really wanted this room last year, and I still like my room, but back then the people in this floor section actually interacted with one another.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 01:31:41 PM
IP: 144.175.18.81

The WWF style football league> It sounds doomed to failure, I hope McMahon looses his shirt in the process.

Other sports news> Dennis Rodman is joining the Dallas Mavericks. Being from just outside Dallas, I can't help but wonder if this is an attempt to strengthen the team or just increase it's publicity. Considering that the only TV channel that is carring Mavs home games is a fourth rate independent station that had better ratings when it was a home shopping network, they sure need some. And Rodman, if nothing else, is a master of drawing attention to himself.

Fears of Buffy getting Ellenized> I think that is on the minds of the producers as well. They are aware how that show went downhill because of their overuse of Ellen's gayness. I expect Whedon is keeping that in consideration as he writes. I expect the isuue will be a major theme for a few episodes, like Buffy's relationship with Parker. But afterwards it will be part of the background, still there, but not the whole focus of the show. Obviously the finale for this season will involve a showdown with the Initiative and that "314" thing, so I expect the business with Willow and Tara will get dealt with in a few eps and Tara will end up a part of the Scooby Gang.

Which does make me wonder, what do you think everyone else on the show will react? I expect Buffy will be the overreacting one, Giles will be typically "oh, my",
Xander will just be at a loss for words, Anya will be supportive; but tactless, and Spike will be smugly amused by this turn of events... What do you think ?
Skippy The Klingon
Friday, February 4, 2000 12:33:04 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-07.ultravision.net

TALEWEAVER - You wrote: [Do you think your identity survives into the great beyond? It was some thing that was buzzing in my head watching Beast Machines.]

I think so. The soul is the core of who we are. I guess I can kind of believe that the soul starts out as a sort of near blank slate when it is joined to a human body in this life. Then throughout life both are linked together with the soul growing and learning since the soul is basis of what we are. As we develop personalities and feelings and everything that defines us, it is our souls that are doing this. And when we die the soul (which is us) emerges fully developed. The journey through life is a journey of our souls as well. All our growth and definitions of ourselves are of the soul. And when we depart this mortal form, our fully developed souls with our memories and personalities, the defintion of who and what we are, are now ready for the next stage in existance, whatever it might be.

In BM if you actually examine the sparks, they all retain their original personalities. Waspinator and Silverbolt's sparks didn't act like Jetstorm and Thrust when freed of the shell programs. If the sparks from those two were placed in blank protoforms, there would be no question that the two beings to come out would be Silverbolt and Waspinator, not Jetstorm and Thrust.

You wrote: [The Spark is the transformer equivalent of a soul. But the Vehicons have personalities and identities far different from their Beast War counterparts. So it got me wondering. Is the soul more to you than *you*?]

In the case of Jetstorm/Silverbolt it's not that his spark has changed in any way. When the Jetstorm barrier was removed his spark reasserted itself and his original personality came out. His case is more like brainwashing than anything else. If there was no tampering with him, if a shell program hadn't been put in then he would have always remained Silverbolt. Under normal conditions he would still be Silverbolt, it's just that he had the misfortune to not be able to outrun the Tankorr drones and the virus they shot at him when he hit Cybertron.

In the case of Tankorr/Rhinox it's a little more complicated. Originally Primal did allow Rhinox to kind of resurface a bit (though not completely) in MERCENARY PURSUITS. Megatron erased Tankorr/Rhinox's memories at that point but nobody actually restored Rhinox to a dormant state. He was awake and confused. Then later on Rattrap and Cheetor restored to him his full memories but what wasn't counted on was the thoughts and decisions he made in the time between those two events. So it's kind of true that there was a merger between Rhinox and Tankorr but it was not an involuntary merger. He was like someone with amnesia who formed a new identity and upon finding out about his past life just no longer has any emotional attachment to it as well as not wanting to give up the new life he developed.

(And it drives home the point that Primal is as wrong as Megatron. After all Megatron manipulated three sparks to create his generals while Primal used his matrix powers to manipulate Tankorr. Primal kind of shares responsibility for what happened to Rhinox. He got power and then used it recklessly. Obviously he didn't read enough Spider-Man comics :-) )


ROBBY - You wrote: [Why are you people asking about Timedancer not being here yet? The season ended just... About 3 months ago.]

I loved TGS/PENDRAGON for the most part last season but I think that TIMEDANCER was the best series done. It was just much more focused. Even though they were jumping around time and the settings were constantly changing the core of the plot stayed very fixed. The season really held my attention in the development of Brooklyn and Sata. As they talked to each other, as she found out about his past, as the buildup to the pregnancy began and developed, you could literally see the characters developing. TGS was well written and had some character development as well but some things seemed to be way out there, things that didn't seem to fit well. Coldstone and Coldfire's resurrection for example. That was so way off for a variety of reasons that have already been brought up. In TIMEDANCER nothing that extreme happened. It stayed extremely true to the characters and to the guidelines of the Gargoyles Universe. They argued. (Though maybe not enough. I know Gargoyles Fandom is really romantically inclined but I don't think that every single couple gets along every single minute of every day. Especially in a extremely close relationship when the people are around each other all the time.) You could sympathize and understand them. You could feel for them. I sometimes had a hard time doing that in Main TGS.

(That's not to say that I didn't have an objection or two to some things in TIMEDANCER. Personally I think that 2158 and beyond were made much too utopian. I have a theory on how to address that that I'll post a little later. And I think that in some places it might have been better to emphasis the fear that two Gargoyles popping in out of nowhere would have on past populations. If people got along well with Gargoyles in the past and in the future then that kind of makes modern times an abberation, and kind of makes the reaction of modern NYC too extreme in comparision.)

And then there was the cliffhanger ending. We all know how it's going to turn out but it was just so emotionally well done that you just can't wait to see what's going to happen. (Also I think that Harthoth, Meryt, and the Egyptian angle were very good developments that started and ended the season. I liked that there was a link in that way and I hope to see more of those characters. Apep and Harthoth should not be gotten rid of as quickly as Madoc and Maeve were.)

TGS's mistake last season was really linking itself to PENDRAGON. I think that PENDRAGON improved by leaps and bounds last season over its first season but the two should have been kept seperate. An occasional crossover is fine but when you hop back and forth every week between one clan or the other, it kind of takes away interest.

(What I should mention about PENDRAGON last season besides that it improved is that I particularly enjoyed the expansion done on the London clan. I really hope that when PENDRAGON returns this season that we will see much more of Caspian, Rosalind, Lucy, Griff, and Brianna.)

Also I hope that in this season TGS gets more down to earth villians. The original series did have a lot of fantasy and futuristic technology but there was a balance with real world problems. Having the whole of the second season taken up mainly by fighting a mad Fey and his followers seemed too far off. Not to mention that everything seemed to have become linked to Madoc. Did everything have to happen in history and to the clan just because of Madoc? Gargoyles have a bad time in the world because an evil fey was played by the Weird Sisters, given some sort of prophecy that couldn't have been true? That seems like it was an attempt to shift the blame for a lot of human behavior to an outside source rather than letting it be where it really should be.

Also I hope that Demona's rush to cannonization as a saint is slowed down. She moved way, way too fast. She can't be turned back since some change has happened but a thousand years of reinforced behavior shouldn't be easy to break. Not only that but the clan should be a little more hostile. Not as much as in 1995 but still letting her back into the clan even symbolically makes everything she put them through a joke. Brooklyn might have gotten over what she did to him because he's seen the future but everyone else is getting way too cozy with her.

(And what was with the drive towards marriage? I loved the episode where Broadway and Angela got married, it was magnificent but it happened way too soon. They aren't human. They have double the lifespan. Things should take much longer with Gargoyles than with humans. If Goliath and Elisa get married anytime soon, if they don't have a lot of doubt and arguments and even a breakup or two during there engagement, then the original pacing of their relationship in the original series is going to seem absurd. I want to see everyone happy and together, I'm just as romantic as everyone else in Fandom but a snail's pace rather than a mad dash to the alter should be the rule.)

There are a few other things that I wasn't happy about here and there but these are some of the major points. I think that TGS season two made too much of an effort to lean towards epic. I hope that this season they get a little more down to earth. Much less Madoc and Fey, more Trials of Goliath, Quarrymen (or whatever they're called), etc.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, February 4, 2000 11:08:47 AM
IP: 146.245.243.30

**RP HERE, SO FLIP PAST IF YOU MUST :)$

"Wah!" Dyspare screams as the Ravens leap out at him, Stephanie and Jammer leading the way with sword and metal pole. "Let us handle this guy!" Kit waves at Kari and SJ. "We got him!" She then turns away and ignores the two, drawing a bead on Dyspare's head with her laser as Tricia tackles him and holds him down with her chain-flail against his neck. "No, wait!" Dyspare rasps. "Done enough of that already, pal," snaps Doug, aiming his shotgun at the hamatula. Dyspare's eyes flash and he begins chattering and mumbling hysterically. "Shut up!" Shap orders, whacking him alongside the head with the butt of his shotgun and then reversing it to aim the barrel at Dyspare's head along with Doug and Kitainia. "Time to send you back to Hell!" Jammer, Tricia, and Stephanie nod, continuing to hold down Dyspare's flailing limbs. "Uh, guys," Shauna says just as the other three are about to fire. "We got trouble!" "Yeah," Boris draws their attention. "Black clouds of weird smoke are forming all around us and..." Suddenly Dyspare begins to chant loudly. "Master, help me! Hamatula, send more hamatula!" The Ravens look around and gasp, seeing the black smoke Boris mentioned and gibbering spiked horrors stepping out of it. All look like the same type of demon as Dyspare, but none are quite so whiny and pathetic. Instead, they are muttering evilly, their claws dripping with the blood and sweat of the damned. Three of them come out in response to Dyspare's call and more follow as two of the three call on them. The Ravens stand paralyzed, looking at each other in shock as the enemy's number grows. "We have serious problems," Orion declares, getting ready to speak a holy word. Most of the other Ravens turn from Dyspare and bring up their weapons as the hamatula leap forward, knocking Stephanie, Jammer, and Tricia off Dyspare with their scathing claws. Orion launches his spell and banishes quite a few of them, and a grenade launched from Tom's weapon kills more, but too many demons for the Ravens to handle are still coming out of the black smoke. "We need to close that portal!" Elena declares, snapping one demon's neck with her hands as two more close in on her. "No duh!" agrees Doug, fighting back to back with Kit as several demons rush them. "Where's Lathrop?!" The question is not answered as hamatula continue to attack them. Lathrop, however, does look over his shoulder, see what's going on, and gasp. He looks at Kaioto. "You say I can trust you?" "Yes," the Seeker nods. "Do you? Make it fast. I feel the increasing stink of demons in this place. "You'd see it if you looked over there," Lathrop points at the hamatula mob and the Ravens fighting it with Gubio, Erin, and Mist running to aid as more powerful demons start coming through the portal. "I need to close their entryway to stop them," the wizard declares. "Can you cover me?" "Of course," Kaioto nods, drawing his sword and rushing to attack the hamatula with proud cold precision. Lathrop follows and then turns to the portal and starts casting once he's close enough. A gigantic arm of some horrible pit fiend comes out to grab him just as the screen's image begins to fade.

**TO BE CONTINUED SOON ENOUGH, FOR NOW WE MUST END RP**

Hi everyone. Well, I said I'd be back soon. Yeah, this isn't that soon but school is to blame. :) Soon I'll have to go through more of its associated hassles, but until then I can post. :) Looking over what's happened in here since last time I see I have quite a few things on which to comment. That's good. Too bad there weren't any good movies coming out this weekend (Scream 3 was the only halfway-decent looking one and I'm not about to waste my time with something I know is going to stink), or I'd talk about them too. Oh well, on to replies.

Fanfic Progress: "The Test" is progressing. I've introduced the villain, and he is about to make his move. There's just a few interludes with Charlie I have to do before resolving it. The story may be out sooner than I thought, but I will have papers to do the next two weekends, so then again maybe not. :( I could get it out before then of course, so...ah, we'll just have to wait and see. :)

SOROW: Xanathar's right, those are words to live by. :) For the record, I'm feeling pretty good now despite class at eleven. The weather around here has improved recently, I'm sure that's contributed. :) Thanks for the encouragement, friend.

New DA Episode: Good job on the Wedding, all who worked on it. The development on Goliath and Demona was wonderfully written and Iago made a good villain once again. Also liked what was done with Marcus, Asrial, and the Archmage to a lesser extent. Liked the artwork too. The plot flowed well overall and the end came on suddenly, yet was appropriately foreshadowing. I look forward to seeing what happens next with its events on Sunday night (provided of course the story is posted on time this week :). Overall, thanks for the good job, all who contributed. Keep up the excellent work. (Hope more people will comment on it soon, it certainly deserves it more than a few other recent topics in here I could name. Oh well.)

Jenna: Glad you're feeling better. My wishes of good luck and prayers are still with you, hope your life soon improves. :)

Kaioto: Sounds like your philosophy classes are more interesting than mine were. I'm jealous. <grin> Good luck succeeding in them, pal (even though I'm sure you'll have no trouble). Good bits on religion, too, as well as infinity paradoxes and respecting others' beliefs.

Bengali: Your apology's accepted by me, for the record I was a little angered by your comments at first but once things calmed down I did too. :) Kitainia, SJ, Jenna, Kaioto, Jannie, and Tim P (whose comments I agree with most) have already responded to your negative posts and their issues, I'm not going to any further myself as I don't know what else to say. Except that I'm glad they've ended and hope you're feeling better now. Re- that reverend> People like him thankfully don't represent all of Christianity, but they're still around and you're not the only one that despises them. Lots of Christians, myself included, do as well. All the opinions David G, Pistoff, and others have said about the man are shared by plenty of Christians I know. The mentality ticks us off too. :) Glad you were able to see the jerk for what he was and not let his misguided beliefs affect you for too long, guys like that need a serious dose of reality. Unfortunately since they've closed themselves off to all but their own messed-up conception of reality more often than not, it's hard to give them one. :( You have my prayers, friend, whether or not they mean anything to you. Hang in there, okay? <thumbs-up>

Christina Ricci: I agree that she's a good actress too. And hot most of the time. :) Some of her films I've hated, but those are thankfully few and far between. Hope that when her next one comes out it's a goodie. :) (Oh, and if anyone's wondering, yes, there are three characters in my fanfic saga written with Christina in mind- Crow, the white dragon Cortesia, and Nikki's friend Liz. Interestingly enough, all of them are associated with Jadriel. :)

Gside: Glad there are no hard feelings, thanks for the joke. And yes, I do remember the death of Smaug. I reiterate, obsidian might indeed be the bane of dragons in my ficverse. But readers will have to wait for quite a while to find out for sure. :)

Katara: Well, the bane of dragons can be liquified, and I'm sure if arrows were dipped in it they would hurt dragons just as bad. :) There are also some "dragonbane weapons" in my ficverse, magical dragonslayer swords as well as dragonlance spears and the like. All of them will sooner or later play a role.

Lesbian Willow: I have no problem with this, I'm sure it will be a well-written and -acted story. I hope it doesn't last too long of course, I think Willow belongs with Oz, but while it lasts, it should be nice to see. The developments related to it in particular, provided they don't come to dominate the show or Willow's character. If that happens and Buffy, TVS goes the way of Ellen I will be very upset. :(

Christine: Good job on the second Sabledrake magazine. I looked over it last night and the articles are as good as last time. I haven't read them all yet so I can't make specific comments, but I probably will next time. :) Congrats on the articles in SJ Games and Pyramid, and sorry about the rejections (what is wrong with these people?, you're the best female writer I've ever read!). I look forward to the next chapter of Damien when it comes out, thanks for the teasers.

Pistoff: You're welcome about the next story in my series, I look forward to your feedback on it. :) Thanks for understanding about the Spunkmeyers and explaining the joke Rocky made (sorry about the mix-ups concerning it, especially you thinking I was in a bad mood. I wasn't and didn't mean for it to come out that way. Sorry, man). I get that joke now and am able to laugh at it. :) I agree that you should have made it clearer that it was a joke with a reason behind it in the story and not just some bit of dumb unexplained humor only the characters could laugh at (the way it unfortunately came across). I also agree with you that the Spunkmeyers should have more development ahead, I'm glad it's coming. Maybe I'll come to like their characters more with enough of it, provided the writing of the jokes improves. :) I think it was what weakened my response to their characters more than anything else, now that I can understand it I can like them a little better already. :) Look forward to the development, as well as all of the other stuff in your stories, most of all your reminding me that not all Japanese are like the stereotype (some people who read my stories with the Ishimura clan said I needed to remember that a little, I probably will next time). The sex level can stay however high you want it, though a little toning down would be good in some ways (For the record, I really liked the Mr. Carter joke). :) Again, thanks for not getting too mad and hope you keep up the good work. I too am sorry about your Pizza Hut closing, but am also glad you're getting out of it. I agree that bouncer would be a great job for you. You'd have an excuse to beat up the dumb customers at least. Good luck getting the job, pal. :)

Anne: Good plans for your money, wish I could somehow make that much and do similar things. :) Nothing wrong with it, in my opinion, since you're not spending the cash on dumb things people don't need like Donald Trump or hoarding it for yourself like Bill Gates. :) Of course, it'd also be good not to go too overboard in philantrophy related to it. You gotta have a little fun with your money. :)

Archwolf and Other Newcomers: Welcome. Good to see you all here. Hope you like this place. Don't worry, your sanity, if you ever had any, will soon be gone. L

Presidential Primaries: I don't care yet. Though I was slightly pleased at Bush's defeat. :) Don't know who I'll help make President when the time comes, may the best candidate win (if they exist).

SJ: They aren't going to renew Buffy after next season? Yeah, I've heard that too. <sigh> Wonder why the hell not, it's the best show WB has on. Definitely way better than Dawson's Creek. Oh well, it's their decision, hope they somehow learn from the mistake. :) Thanks for the bad news about Spiderman, I guess I should have expected it. <sigh> I'll still be praying Brendon gets the part, but if not Freddie Prinze is my pick (he can act at least, unlike the other two pretty boys you mentioned. Not sure if he can act Spiderman's part, but still he can act :).

Taleweaver: Welcome back! Re- My Soul> I don't know what it is to me really. I have heard a lot of things about souls, from religion, stories, my favorite Simpsons episode, and other things. My final thoughts on them are kind of a combination of all I've heard and my own opinions- Our soul is the only part of us that lasts forever, and made up of the memories we leave behind more than anything else. Do our identities survive into the great beyond? <shrugs> I'd like to think so but of course I don't know for sure. Having them survive in the hearts and minds of the people who knew and cared about us is probably enough for me. :)

Timedancer: I look forward to my favorite series coming back soon too, but am willing to patiently wait for it. DA is good enough in the interim, especially since we're getting more episodes than the thirteen originally promised. :) Good luck to all those working on TD, my prayers go with you.

That's all for now, I have to get ready to go to class. Later everyone. Hope you have a good day and weekend. Until we meet again.

**MORE RP, BEGINNING NOW**

In the City of the Dead, SJ screams as Lobien and a host of insect-demons begin chasing him. Deavik watches and grins as much as his featureless face can, his eyes flaring with mirth at the sport. Mephisto sees who the demons are chasing and gasps. "Um, please don't have your men hurt him too much, Deavik," he requests. "That one is very important to my plans." "Oh, and I wouldn't want to ruin your plans, now would I?" Deavik laughs. "Especially since you haven't told me much about them!" "Master!" Mikus the jackal-demon hisses before Mephisto can respond. "Zezil's sending a transmission!" Deavik stops chuckling and waves his hand, causing Zezil's image to appear in front of them. "What, imp?" he asks. "Master," Zezil bows. "I thought you should know that hamatula are attacking the Avatar!" "Hamatula?" Deavik gasps. "What?" Zezil waves his hands and an image of the scene in the hangar appears, with most of the Ravens battling the hamatula hordes and Lathrop's gate-close spell being interrupted by the giant pit fiend while Shap reloads his weapon and turns away from two smoking piles of unholy black ooze that used to be hamatula to aim again at Dyspare. "Get ready to go back to Hell, demon," the paladin snaps, his shot going wild as Sammael tackles him from behind and spoils his aim. Mephisto watches the battle and frowns, his face showing displeasure. "Are these part of your plans?" Deavik turns and asks him. "I'm not sure," Mephisto frowns. "I told Dyspare to work alone unless he was in dire straits." "He appears to be in that now, Lord," Mikus cackles. "Especially since that's a Seeker in the middle of things!" "A Seeker?" Mephisto gasps, noticing Kaioto. "Oh no, if he gets to Sammael or Dyspare..." He waves his hand and opens a portal to the Avatar, then turns to the most powerful guardian demon he brought with him (description up to Kaioto and SJ) and points at the portal. "Go in there and kill that Seeker before he causes my plans any more damage!" "Yes, great lord," the demon bows, then steps through. Mephisto clenches his fists in anger as he closes the portal after it. "Keep the battle under surveillance," Deavik meanwhile tells Zezil, "but don't interfere in it." "I wasn't planning to, master," bows the imp. "Very good," Deavik nods. "Carry on." He dismisses Zezil's image but leaves the display of the battle in the air out of curiosity and amusment. "Now, Mephisto," Deavik then says, "while your minions are resolving their problems and mine are hunting that bit of flesh that was spying on us, can you please tell me the truth about what you have going on Earth?" The screen fades out before Mephisto can reply.

**END THIS BIT OF RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, February 4, 2000 10:39:11 AM
IP: pool-207-205-147-124.dlls.grid.net

Hi guys!,I can't stay and chat at the moment because the Governments rationing power supplies(It's pretty hot over here at the moment and we've been getting Black-outs,because the power plant workers have been going on strike)
So I'll see yas' again when this blows over(Hopfully tommorow)
Bye!!.....I miss you guys already!:(
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Friday, February 4, 2000 07:05:20 AM
IP: sydnc01.bigpond.com

*Warpmind enters, carrying what appears to be a 30mm Vulcan cannon, a .50 caliber bison rifle, and an anti-tank missile launcher.*
Well, since the shotguns are unlikely to be efficient against four-foot ants, I've upgraded a bit. And, for some reason, I am reminded of the movie "Tremors 2: Aftershocks"...

**RP**
Warpmind looks at SJ from a short distance, slightly annoyed.
"Damn. He is aware. Only one thing to do, then."
Warpmind spots Lathrop by the wall.
"Lathrop! Look, I'm going to find SJ's disembodied soul; it's probably in Hell, but I've been there before, so I know the way. Keep that swordsman away from SJ in the meantime, 'kay?"
Warpmind pulls an amulet from his pocket, disappearing in a flash of light.
**TO BE CONTINUED**

Stromy: You say humans cannot be reprogrammed? I beg to differ; we have psychiatrists for that. Reprogramming humans takes a lot longer than reprogramming computers, but it is entirely possible.

Rodlox: Well, consider this: Those ants were, according to the article, discovered in the forests of Indonesia. Who knows how many generations of ants have passed undetected? How many centuries' worth of mutating ants have been growing steadily larger? I refuse to believe we're dealing with a direct one-generation mutation here; more likely a hundred or even a thousand generations. And considering the average reproductive cycle of an ant... who knows?

Christine: "The Gifted"? Ooo, do I sense a story about that institute? :)

Fire Storm: You go from NT to Win '95? *Mumbles something about the relative sizes of evils.*

Wilek: Dimension shifter bombs? Coward. We go in, guns blazin' and take'em out, one by one until we find their queens. Mankind shall prevail. *Loads the bison rifle.*

Bengali: The garg-chibis we have roaming the CR nowadays are chibified Gargoyles characters. I've adopted Maggie and Talon, Talon because Maggie is having his baby. *Grumbles something about more mouths to feed.* I'll keep you guys posted on the progress.

**RP**
A BRIGHTLY LIT WAITING ROOM:
Warpmind appears out of nowhere, in the middle of a small crowd. By the door, a tall, grim figure with a scythe and an hourglass is standing.
"Yo, Mortem. Long time no see. Is Charon at the elevator today?"
Death turns his head toward Warpmind and speaks slowly, in a hollow, calm voice.
"Ah, the Realmsfarer. Welcome back. Yes, Charon is handling the elevator today."
"Oh, good. I need to find retrieve I suspect is in the Nether Realms."
"If someone has passed, he cannot leave."
"Yeah, well, thing is, one of the Greater Demons has done a soul-swap, leaving the soul of a nice guy in Hell, while a demon has possessed his body."
Death points toward the elevator on the opposite wall.
"Then find him. And good luck."
Warpmind slips into the elevator, indicating "down" with his thumb. The elevator doors close, and the floor indicator drops.
**RP END**

SJ: Dude, if you think I'm ruining your idea here, think about this: I don't necessarily find you; you might find another exit. ;)

Later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, February 4, 2000 06:13:53 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

I haven't seen this music posted anywhere else, so for those of you that are interested...

I've MP3'd the ending music from the UK video release of 'Heroes Awaken' - it's not the regular theme music, but it was used during battle scenes in the show - it's the first file in the directory and is 1.2mb in size.
Click on my name to get to the directory.

Matt Dymond - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
UKFriday, February 4, 2000 03:33:25 AM
IP: 195.195.164.7

Alex Destine, Green Baron, Jaden, Jannie, Sevarius Jr, Pistoff, David G>Thanks, I really needed that, I've gotten fairly used to being told I was going to hell but it still puts me in a bad mood, especially because I'm usually told it when theres a lot of people around. If I had a nickel for every time I was told I was going to hell I'd be a millionaire. Unfortunately, many people hate those who dont believe in the same things they do. I remember the time when George Bush, during an interview, said that atheists should not be considered citizens nor patriots, that this was one nation under God. It's that kind of mentality in some people that really ticks me off.

Chibis>I'm still not quite sure about chibis, why are many of them named after characters from Gargoyles?, what do they usually look like?.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Friday, February 4, 2000 02:24:22 AM
IP: spider-ti084.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind-Ants four feel long? Forget the shotgun, get Ant-spray and if that fails go for explosives. Imagine those things ruining a picnic.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 02:03:12 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

RE: TIMEDANCER:
Thanks for the info. Yes, it is my favorite Gargoyles series/saga {in the True meaning of the word "saga"}.

One thing I do hope to see before the Fifteenth Season of TimeDancer: the Norse {Vikings} were highly literate people who traded from eastern Canada {they called it "Markland" - wooded land} to Greece to northern Europe.

Thank you.

If you ever need help with words, try this: http://www.intertran.net:2000/InterTran {translator}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 4, 2000 01:45:06 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hey peops. Not much to say tonight, so I guess I'll just say good night!

JOE BOXER
Friday, February 4, 2000 01:03:52 AM
IP: spider-wo011.proxy.aol.com

Katara> <<who decides or how does one find out just what the quirks are anyhow?>> Um...I still haven't found out what particular quirks most of my chibis have. Mara, is there some kind of procedure for this? :)

Warpmind> <<Guys! Guys! They've found a new breed of ants in Indonesia! They're upward of four feet in length!>> O_o' If these things are real...unless they've become very widespread, a few dimension shifter bombs should hopefully wipe out the entire species (along with the entire continent, but oh well)...

Mara> <<I want to start an adoption agency on my site, so if any artists out there want to draw some chibis, whether ot not you own them.. feel free and send them to me, ok? Also, you can email me with what inofrmation you have, which chibi you one, what quirks they have, ectera...>> Hm...do you take commissions? :)

Newcomers> Welcome! Hand in your sanity, and don't provoke the chibis. ;)

Anonymous> <checks out Drabble site> O_O' This...it's...what is it? What order do these go in?

SJ> <<the WWF is gonna create a football league.>> Somehow I'm not surprised; there's surprisingly little difference between the two sports... ;)
Wilek Nereus
Friday, February 4, 2000 12:51:01 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

**RP Here**
Lathrop watches the other Ravens poking at the smallish demon. He leans back against one of the transports cluttering the hangar, weary from his spell casting feats of the day. It is jus then that a hand reaches around from the shadowed side of the transport, clamping over his mouth and dragging him away while everyone else pokes and prods the demon.

Lathrop looks at his captor with total shock. He raises his hand to try a minor, but effective gesture-based spell when he suddenly is hit with the realization that he just can't get a grip on any mystical forces … in fact … all his sense of magic have gone silent.

"Sh!" Kaioto admonishes, pushing his captive against the transport bulkhead, careful not to inflict damage. "I'm not here to hurt you, but if you make a scene, things could get very unfortunate for us both. Now I'm going to take my hand away as a gesture of good faith, but talk in low tones if you ever want to sling spells again."

Kaioto takes his hand away slowly, and Lathrop's face is crossed with a look of deliberation. Kaioto shoots him a warning glance, "I'll hook this null-magic field to you so fast …"

Lathrop interrupts with a sharp whisper, "How? No one escapes the maze that fast! You should've been there for at least -,"

Now Kaioto takes a turn to interrupt him, "I've been given this nifty gift for being walking anti-magic when I put my mind to it. Right now I'm putting my mind to it. Besides, a five minute major for gibbering like an idiot is all the time in the penalty box I'm willing to do, chief."

Lathrop gives his captor a look of puzzlement, annoyance, and a hint of fear at the way he talks about just dismissing and annulling powerful magic.
*Pause RP*

Gside: "This statement is true."

It is a question accurately best answered by way of a computer programming example, actually.

"This statement is false."

An entire program with only this statement in a loop that doesn't end until A = true OR false.

If not A
then A = true

"This statement is true."

An entire program with only this statement in a loop that doesn't end until A = true OR false.

If A
then A = true

Now we see why computer programs have default values for all boolean (true/false) variables.

Without a default value, self-reflective true-false values have a null value.

They are also irrelevant and null value because they are only self-supporting and self-supported. By their very nature, they don't exist relative to anything else, so their value is irrelevant.

Willow: Well, I mean, I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with it. Some people do have latent homosexual feelings, and it doesn't harm anyone. *shrugs* I can see how some people might be upset over it when they wanted to perceive Willow in some manner; either as not sexually available … or in the frame of a prospective mate.

Ifni> Ah ... thanks ... I dunno what to say to that ... I mean, I don't think much of my stuff is really original. I'm working with the great works of philosophy or men like Aristotle and Socrates. All I'm doing is rehashing the work of great men.

*Resume RP*
"Look," Kaioto says in an exasperated, business-like tone, "I may not make the best impression when I have to kill something, but I get my job done. This impasse gives us the opportunity to discuss things like reasonable men. As much as I don't like to waste time on chit-chat, I don't want my career path to lead a bloody swath through you and your friends. So I'd not recommend interfering with my dealings with the demon …"

Lathrop looks ready to speak put Kaioto raises a hand.

"Now wait a second. In the interests of preserving life, I'm not going to rack of civilian casualties if I can avoid it. You and your friends count as civilians, no matter how much you've been getting on my nerves. Don't give me that look," Kaioto rolls his eyes. "At any rate, that demon isn't acting like a demon … up is down and in is out … it doesn't compute normally … as long as I can keep within striking distance of that damned thing," his tone betrays a distaste in tone and a look of disgusts, "I'll let you figure out whatever happened to your friend's soul."

"But if the demon becomes a threat, my hand flies," the Seeker raises his black-gloved hand up to illustrate his point, his hand glowing with a light aura of white fire, "And God help any of you if you are in the way of my hand."

Kaioto lowers his hand, the glow fading. A haunted look creeps up into his eyes for a second. "Honestly," he rests a hand on Lathrop's shoulder, "I don't want to have to hurt any of you … but I can," his voice hardens and he stares right into Lathrop's eyes, "And I will if I have to."

"I'll trust you from the help you've given me in these past days, but you have to trust me for the sake of our entire dimension."

Lathrop feels the crushing silence of the nulled magic field drift away, giving him back his metaphysical senses and intuitions. It makes him feel like he's been given a breath of fresh air. The gray-eyed man nods at him solemnly and takes a step back into the shadows, his hands spread in a gesture of trust.

*end RP*

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, February 4, 2000 12:40:16 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Wilek> Engineers <<Apologies for any offense>>: None taken, it was mostly feigned insult.
<<Should I be worried about [liking the picture]>>: Most likely. :)

Rodlox> <<Ants {or other land-living invertabrates} cannot exceed one foot in length>>: Right, because they absorb oxygen through their carapaces (don't breathe), and as their size increases, their surface area to volume ratio increases until they can't get enough oxygen to sustain themselves. Of course, this assumes that their radius to length ratio remains constant.

Jewel> <<I went to Bryn Mawr. A small, all women's college>>: I knew about Bryn Mawr. However, Douglas College is the largest all female college in New Jersey, so there I am exposed to many fifth-hand stories

CtB> <<Feminists United to Krush the Universe>>: Please keeep that to yourself, or else a branch office might open here.

I am very slightly sobered at the moment, as a misunderstanding has arisen in the past couple of days over who would be staying in the suite. Therefore, I discovered I needed to find a suite to move in with next year on semi-short notice.

Fire Storm> <<Bye Bye NT. You SUCK!/Back to Win-95. (I miss my TV tuner)>>: Go with Linux: free, can do anything, you just have to do it yourself.

Sev. Jr.> <<What does Ellen have that I don't>>: You have that backwards.
"HAMLET: That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs.
OPHELIA: What is, my lord?
HAMLET: Nothing."

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, February 3, 2000 11:44:01 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Dang, I knew I forgot something ...

SJ, re: XFL: Yep, should be pretty interesting since Vince McMahon wants the game to go back to its roots, before all the league legislations went through that made the NFL stand for No Fun League. They've named six of the eight cities that'll get teams, and it's true that DC scored a team. There's still two slots open, and I'm still holding out hope that Detroit'll be one of the last two teams ... gotta do *something* with the Silverdome after the Lions return to downtown, and something tells me that the new Arena League team that's going to play in the Palace of Auburn Hills (everybody hold on to yer butts: the Detroit RAGE! Whee, what a lameoid name for a team!) is gonna cut the mustard. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, February 3, 2000 11:36:49 PM
IP: zzz-209252248148.splitrock.net

***BEGIN RP***
Kari stood looking at SJ, her eyes wide with shock. "What...what do you mean you're a demon?"
"I...I guess the bump on my head just now cleared things up. I'm a demon. I was sent here to possess Sevarius Jr.'s body when he died...but things must have gone a little crazy, cause I seemed to think I was him. I still kind of do...I seem to have his memories, and I...I don't know, I *feel* like him, if such a thing is possible."
Kari looked horrified. "Then....then SJ is really dead...."
SJ...or rather, the demon inhabiting his body, shook his head quickly. "No. No, he's still alive. Well, his soul is, anyway."
"WHERE?"
"Probably in Hell. But he'll be okay, honest. He's a pure soul--he won't spend eternity in neverending torment. My boss is just keeping him there for a little while."
"But...but..."
"I'll explain everything in a moment," the demon said with a compassionate expression on his--SJ's--face. He pointed to the pile of Black Ravens. "But first I have to rescue Dyspare before our friends here kill him. He's not really that bad of a guy, even for a demon. He mostly gets bullied into doing nasty stuff for the boss. And I need to question him, so it'd be better if he doesn't die on me." And with that, he started to sneak up on the Ravens....
***END RP***

Well, the big news of the day....and it kind of makes me smile and laugh at the same time...is that the WWF is gonna create a football league. I know we aren't the most sport-conscious bunch in this room, but I gotta say....part of me loves this. It'll probably fail, and Vince McMahon will lose millions on it, but it'll be fun while it lasts. And hey, they already announced they have a team ready for D.C.! Gonna have to go to one of those games. Hopefully it'll be better than arena football (wait....EVERYTHING is better than arena football. Sorry Kurt Warner, but it's the truth).

Spider-Man movie news: The steady stream of generally useless rumors about this movie continues. This time it deals with the actors involved in the movie...most specifically, who'll play Spidey himself. So far, 3 names have been mentioned by the rags: Jude Law, Freddie Prinze, and the ever popular Leo DiCaprio. And a big sigh from me.
Okay, first is Jude Law. He plays the object of Matt Damon's homoerotic obsession in the movie "The Talented Mr. Ripley" (which is actually a pretty good film). I know nothing about him, except he looks far too old.
Freddie Prinze Jr.....for some reason, I kind of like him. At least I don't hate him like I do most of the other pretty boys. But he should never get this part. And word is that he really, *really* wants it too.
And Leo....apparently, he must be the only actor in Hollywood. Cause it doesn't seem like anybody else is ever considered for anything.
Bottom line--they'll probably cast some pretty boy who I'll probably hate. Cause that's what they do. And to you folks that want Xander as Spidey....it'll probably never happen.

X-men Costumes: Finally, we get an explanation!!! The costume designer for the new X-men film has finally explained why those costumes look the way they do. Apparently, the designers observed the comics and said....."Those look ridiculous! Can't have those in the film!!!"
Yeah, as if the all black leather looks just so stylish. I don't care, I still say that those horrible suits they're wearing look like they came straight from "Billy C's House of S&M".

Ellen: Coyote hit it right on the head. The reason this show was cancelled, no matter what crap you hear about it being her sexual preference, was because she was NOT FUNNY. I've seen executions more humorous than that sitcom. And ever episode was the same goddamn thing--Ellen comes out, AGAIN. This week it's her friends, next week her parents, week after her boss (only I watched that one, but only cause the man Bruce Campbell played her boss), after that it's the mailman, the garbage man, etc....I think I read something about how Chastity Bono was embarassed by the show. And that's not the best endorsement a pro-gay show can receive.
Or maybe I'm just jealous of Ellen cause she's dating Anne Heche. What does Ellen have that I don't? Oh wait....*that*. Okay...um....never mind....

***SMALL RANT***
I don't know why people go on and say how Randy's death ruined Scream 2 for them. There was plenty of stuff in Scream 2 to turn your stomach besides that....and really, was Randy that important? He was kind of funny in the first one, he annoyed the piss out of me in part 2. Let the bastard get knifed...at this point, they're just milking the franchise for all it's worth.
***END RANT***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 11:23:32 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Timedancer- I'll put the official CR Admin logo by this post to make it more obvious an announcement...

We are WORKING on it, and shooting for a March release. We currently have an available staff of about ten- fifeteen people working on three different series at once, and thats not counting people solely devoted to edits. While working on Timedancer, we are also working on Pendragon and the main series. It takes us on average two months to develop all the ideas for a season and plan them out, and another two months to write, edit, and illustrate them, and that's when there aren't unforseen delays.

We are not getting paid to do this series and are doing it in our free time. We can not start realeasing some episodes now and then slowly release the others, since due to writing, art, and edits schedualing, some of the very first stories that are important to the rest of the season are the ones that aren't quite done and ready for posting yet.

Timedancer is in no danger of being cancelled. We're trying very hard for March release. I've written and co-written on four of the stories myself to make this happen. We're trying to go as fast as we can while still delivering quality, honest. We're not even going to have the series quite done when we start releasing it, to get it to you sooner, and will be working on the later episodes as the earlier ones come out, as a conveniance to you, the readers.

We're trying, honest, just be patient a little longer

Incidentally, I'm curious... WHy are you peple asking about Timedancer not being here yet? The season ended just... About 3 months ago. On an average television series, if you're lucky, its nothing but reruns for three months anyway. If you're unlucky, as in the case of Beast Machines (And Beast Wars in years past), you get to wait 7 months for new episodes, right after a major cliffhanger. Is it because we ended on such a cliffhanger as we did? Is is because Timedancer is your favorite series? I'd like to know.

You can pass the time by reading Dark Ages and talking about it, or going back and re-reading the first two seasons of Timedancer and discussing them and where you think the story will go. This is a TGS comment room after all. 8) Do what you normally do in an off season, and be patient, Timedancer is coming.
Robby
Thursday, February 3, 2000 11:00:26 PM
IP: spider-tj012.proxy.aol.com

Just a quickie...

Coyote: Geez. Bad luck with the 'puter. When is the reunion and when do you need it scanned?
(And is there alot of ice in the channel?)


Bye Bye NT. You SUCK!
Back to Win-95. (I miss my TV tuner)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 10:47:50 PM
IP: t1-40.visitus.net

**storms into the room, sitting down on the couch and hyperventilating for a moment before he begins speaking**

I'm sorry to do this, guys, but I've got some major ventage to get done here. For once, this isn't about any of my customers ... this is about one of my co-workers. This useless old fart (he's 59, and believe me, "useless old fart" is being kind to describe this guy) is infamous in the store for taking upwards of AN HOUR to talk to a customer ... and barely sell them anything. Today took the taco.
There's an ongoing project to clean up the stores in time for spring, which is the leading edge of our busy season. He doesn't want to do one damn thing to help anyone. And when he does, he makes like he's being persecuted. When we're telling him WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN THE FIRST F-ING PLACE!!
And then ... when he finally gets started ... if a customer comes up to him, rather than sending him to the parts counter to be helped (as he was *told to do*), he instead takes his customary hour to sell the customer one pack of fuses.
Then there's his incessant smoke breaks ... then there's his grumbling ... his constant bitching and moaning about everything having to do with what his job duties are ...
**grr** I swear to God and all that's holy, I'm naming my second migraine after that man. (First one's already reserved for the computer system at the store)

**breathes deeply** There. I feel cleansed.

Gargoyles Internet Fan Reuinion: ARG!! Of all the times for the old monitor to go kablooie ... the one on the computer with the WORKING scanner!! And I've got this beautiful piccy I wanted to enter ... two of 'em, actually ... dang ...

GB: Actually, the Darwin-fish is a fish with legs, to reflect the theory of evolution.

Gside, re: LABIA:
**POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE MATERIAL AHEAD!!**

To tell the truth, while Jewel has the market cornered on militant lesbian activism (having proudly, I might add, gone to Bryn Mawr), I had a one-year experience with something similar to LABIA on the Michigan State campus. Trust me, this group didn't last very long. Especially considering what they called themselves proudly all around campus with flyers and sidewalk graffiti ... Feminists United to Krush the Universe (shortened to ... I kid you not ... FUK U).

**END POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE MATERIAL**

As far as my opinion on homo/bisexuality ... I'll repeat what I told Mara when this came up ... it's not a person's sexual preference that makes them who they are, it's the fabric of their personality and character. I've noticed that "Ellen" has been mentioned in a couple posts on this topic, and I'll restate why I personally believe that show was cancelled, and that's because the show's writers got into a rut and couldn't think of anything to base episodes aroud *other* than Ellen's sexual preference. And the show got boring because of this, and consequently lost viewership because they couldn't let the issue go and develop Ellen's character *beyond* her lesbianism.

**on that note, leaves the room to watch the Christina Aguilera-Brittney Spears match on "Celebrity Deathmatch"**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, February 3, 2000 10:03:58 PM
IP: zzz-209252248148.splitrock.net

Hello, there. I'm new. I might have a suggestion. I too am a fan of Timedancer. Since so many people seem to miss it, why not start releasing episodes sooner but farther apart? Between them we can quench our desires with DA. Just a suggestion.
As an add on, here's an interesting thing I found from Ernest Hemingway.
How to Write a Good Short Story in Six Words:
"For Sale. Baby Clothes. Never Used."
Coolness.
Mr. Thrugg
Thursday, February 3, 2000 09:39:08 PM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

Gside: <lol> Hun, I went to Bryn Mawr. A small, all women's college whose students and alums were once referred to as "Castrating Bitches" by a columnist in "The New Yorker" and is roughly 30% gay-bisexual, and National COming-Out Day is a celebration all itself (the campus gets decorated in what has been affectionately deemed 'vampire triangles,' all with random statements on them like, "All the good ones already have girlfriends" and "Guess where I'm pierced?" and "S&M isn't just for marquises any more"). I've seen hyper-out lesbians aplenty, and, period point blank, when it comes to emotions and the relationship problems, they all acted the same way as any other woman. Out-ness, flamboyancy, militantism, and any of that kinda thing have nothing to do with basic human emotions--even the biggest ball-busting bull dyke can be reduced to tears when she finds out her girlfriend's been cheating on her.

ANy Orson Scott Card fans out there? A columnist at Salon just published an interview she had with him, and *hooboy*... Let's put it this way--the title is "The Interview from Hell". Click on my name or go to:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2000/02/03/card/index.html

Chibis: I only have CHibi-D, Chibi-Miyu, and CHibi-Larva. ANd they're a handful, and just itching for dear Mr. Dis Connect to bother me...


jewel
Thursday, February 3, 2000 08:34:58 PM
IP: atlnb312-03.splitrock.net

***Kyryn wings in***

As Todd said, calm down everyone.

Timedancer is currently in production. We are looking at a release date sometime in March.

****Kyryn takes off***

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, February 3, 2000 08:05:26 PM
IP: 207.115.148.178

Calm down, people. "Timedancer" will be coming out. It hasn't been canceled. We're just having to cope with a smaller staff this season than we did with our first two seasons. Please be patient.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 3, 2000 07:45:43 PM
IP: 216.87.46.134.dialup-stl.primary.net

A Doctor Who "drabble" by Tyler Dion

Dancing in the Streets

A burst of Eldritch flame and the brick red gargoyle dropped onto the rooftop. St. Paul's Cathedral loomed in the distance. Below in the street was an astonishing sight. Row after row of what appeared to be silver robots, each armed with a futuristic flamethrower, marched silently down the street. Before he could do anything, the sun rose and he was frozen in stone sleep.

* * * * *

That evening he woke up to see the streets filled with traffic. A note at his feet read: "Brooklyn, don't worry. They're taken care of. Love, Doctor." Crumpling the paper, Brooklyn growled, "Not him again!"

Found at http://209.164.116.107/archive/drabbles/dion.html
Anonymous
Thursday, February 3, 2000 07:25:08 PM
IP: 129-2-231-62.student.umd.edu

Pistoff > just found out that one of our residents ran away on the bus to Coos Bay ... seen any tall scrawny gangly guys wearing too-big corderouy pants cut off at the knees wandering about?

Warpmind > I was supposed to have started that book already, actually! Got waylaid by "Damien" and then I want to do a couple submissions for the GIR fanfic contest, and _then_ I want to get a few chapters ahead on "A King for Hothar" ... but maybe _then_ I can finally get underway on "The Gifted."

"Damien" update > soon as I've had Tim proofread Part Three, I'll get that one posted. With so much going on in the story, I've already caught a couple glaring bloopers and want to make sure there aren't any more.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 07:23:47 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

*staggers back in wearily, shaking hours or accumulated sweat of his fur* I think 2 practices a day may be a bit much right now.

Whats that about Time Dancer being canceled? I thought it was coming back in March. *crosses fingers*

*Looks for a warm corner to curl up in and go to sleep* Night all
Shade and Sweet Water



Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2000 07:06:38 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Ants {or other land-living invertabrates} cannot exceed one foot in length.

THE sole exception for this are the fungus family.

Anyone think that that could be worked into a fanfic?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 06:29:27 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Has _TimeDancer_ been cancelled? Will it ever return or recover? Am I sounding like a sterotypical announcer?
Anthony Docimo - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 06:22:56 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*runs in* EEE!!! I'm going to go insane!!! I want the new TGS season to start!!! *runs around in circles before collapsing onto the floor* *sighs* Man...this sucks...I know they're all busy and that, and I'm just complaining to get it off my chest...but, sheesh! I'm going nuts! Anywho...*waves to all the people who post later* gotta go..I need to get my homework done before I have to go to work.
toodles!
*dissapears in a ball of flame*
Phoenix
Utah, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2000 05:09:05 PM
IP: tntdsp1178.networld1.com

So many things to talk about, and so little time:
Pistoff: Sorry to hear about your job troubles. I hope things start looking up for you.

SJ: I missed your mention of family problems before. I only get to scan the room these days, rather than read every comment. Trouble with family is about the worst kind you can have. I'll pray for you.

Bengali: That was a very mature, reasonable apology. Your scathing comments about religion were somewhat offensive to me, but I withheld my reply because I figured enough other people would chime in. When you decided to stop the cycle of angry comments, you went a long way towards earning my respect.

Willow as bisexual: In my personal opinion, this could be a cool development. Willow's still hurting from losing Oz, and is probably pretty confused. This might lead her to do things she wouldn't think about under other circumstances. Given past development, she's probably not a "real" homosexual (with different brain chemistry), but I can definantly see how she might be willing to experiment, especially given the recent betrayals she's suffered from the Y-chromosone portion of the population.

My personal feelings about homosexuality are fairly irrelevent to a fictional universe, so I'm not even going to touch the morallity issue. All I really care about is good story and character development, and I think this is an interesting possibility.

Chibis: I guess I could bring in Chibi Witch-Taker, but he'd only cause more problems, and not that many people would recognize him anyway.

Christianity: Bengali's encounter with a rabid clergyman is unfortunately all too common. I've often wondered at the motives of some of my supposed "brethren in Christ" when they do things like that. What kind of positive influence can you hope to have in people's lives if you spew self-rigthious venom at them for daring not to believe the same things you do? The whole point of Christianity is that people DON'T KNOW, DON'T BELIEVE, and it's a Christian's job to set a good example, and to lead people to Christ.
Christ's exapmple is clear. He never raised his voice to an unbeliever. The only time he was ever moved to violence was against moneychangers in the Temple of Soloman, who were perverting the will of God. To some of the most immoral people in the Gosples, he was kind and considerate.

In my life, I don't accept the validity of beliefs that contradict my own, but I respect the rights of other people to hold them.

I'd better explain that. What I mean is, I think God exists, so I totally disagree with the Athiest worldview. I'm not going to go around telling Athiest's they're going to hell, or refuse to associate with them, or diliberately try to hurt them, though. The same holds true for any other thing that I consider to be wrong. Actions can be wrong, Beliefs can be wrong, but PEOPLE are always redemable, so they're all equally worthy of life and basic respect.

Souls: I think your personality will definantly change when your soul is seperated from your body. Your memories will still be there, and you will still be "you," but the components that constitute "you" will have changed radically.

You can just barely, if you have a good imagination, draw a comparison to other big life changes. Someone who's lost the use of their legs, or gone blind, or (so they're all not bummers) had a child, has a totally different viewpoint than he did before those things happened.

[Note, this applies to women as well, but the gender-neutral pronoun in the English language is "He" and I intend to fight to keep it that way as long as there's life in my body. I just try to avoid having to use non-specific pronouns as much as possible. If this offends you, I'm sorry. You should be glad that you live in a society so free and fulfilling that you have time to be offended by things like that, though. :) ]
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2000 01:54:18 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

JANNIE: Defenders of the Night is a beautiful book...though if you take a look, you can see Lex with bat wings in one illustration!

SOULS: Yeah, I think the soul goes on...though I think it's more "you" than the spark in BeastMachines, because the robots can be reprogrammed whereas humans can't.

BEAST MACHINES: Second season starts in Canada in six days. I'm considering posting MILD spoilers in the other chatroom. (Like the names and identities of the two new female characters.) But I think it's rude to give away the whole thing...if you want that, you can go to the BM discussion board ;-)
Stormy
Thursday, February 3, 2000 01:32:38 PM
IP: pc19.huron.uwo.ca

Mara-Chan, I'm almost finished wih a big picture of Chibi's, it contains Tuxie and the inner senshi as well as SD chibi forms of the characters on Buffy and Angel..Heh heh I'm evil
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2000 01:00:24 PM
IP: user-37kap5d.dialup.mindspring.com

Katara: frowm WWW.Elfquest.com:As for the movie, it's safe to say it's in the "no turning back" stage.

*Tail wags in happy anticipation*
Arg...gotta run out again...more fencing
Shade and Sweet water
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2000 12:28:29 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Willow thingy- :o( I'm sort of sad about the things people have said about this. I'm sure "Buffy" will make her a role model for people like me, who are not exactly straight. You go through alot of hell because you're not "normal". It's like, OK. Willow is already a witch and she's still good. Ya know? Why can't she explore this part of her life and still be good? I don't want to cause any trouble, I just want people to treat this subject with a little more sensitivity. No, I'm not asking for special treatment I just don't want to be joked on. No one jokes on or makes cracks about straight people, why do it about bi/gay people?

Anyway, thanks for the welcoming everyone!!! Love yous!!
Samira
Thursday, February 3, 2000 12:20:20 PM
IP: 168.28.72.155

::Mara walks into the CR, followed by Chibi Angie-chan and Demmie-chan who are laughing hysterically, and carrying a garden hose.::

Looks like you thought it was the wrong guy, A'nu ::Mara smiles to the now stink, stank, stunk, Xelloss. He *GLARES* back, both eyes open but narrowed to a deadly slit::

Don't call me A'nu!! That was never a canon name! Just fanfiction! ::He growls, then does a loud chibi-squeal as the high pressured hose is turned on him::

::walks over to Chibi-Squall and apologizes for his foot, since Xel pretty much only seems to be able to mutter curses in an ancient language.:: Sorry bout that, hon. ::gives Chibi-Squall candy.::

Hmm.. who's stalking my baby? ::looks up into the shadows, thoughtfully. Chibi Xelloss has had to strip down to a pair of boxers' with kawaii Hyena heads all over them, because his regular clothes stink, stank, stunk. He blushes the most genki of reds as Demmie-chan blasts a 70s porno track on the CR's boombox as he hasitly puts the stinky clothes away.::

Oh, folks... about Chibi ownership, I want to start an adoption agency on my site, so if any artists out there want to draw some chibis, whether ot not you own them.. feel free and send them to me, ok? Also, you can email me with what inofrmation you have, which chibi you one, what quirks they have, ectera... sky's the limit!

::Notices that Hyena has taken a liking to Xelloss' Hyena-faced boxers. Xelloss regains some of hs dignity and they walk off, giggling chibily. Angie and Demmie exchange looks as if to say "Kinky."::



Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 11:36:47 AM
IP: spider-wb041.proxy.aol.com

Sparks > The transformer spark has a nasty condition of inhabiting a machine. Machines can be reprogrammed... or reformatted. Memories can be erased and personalities can be altered. The transformer spark *does*, however, seem to have a core personality, such as Silverbolt's dormancy within Jetstorm. Unfortunately, the spark is also subject to the whims of whoever programs the mechanical body. Thus, it can be reduced to nothing more than a component that allows programmed personalities such as Megatron's generals to be able to handle complex situations.

Souls > It's an odd question to ask whether we would retain our identities in the afterlife, being reduced to a nonphysical entity. I mean, don't our souls *provide* us with our identities? Whatever makes us who we are is present in the soul. Where it goes, we go.

Scott - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 11:10:52 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Christine > thanks for the spoilers. I wanna read the whole story now, ^_^

Wilek Nereus > you wrote: "although if you just have to have one that turns out to be someone else's, I'm sure I can arrange a session at the cloning lab."

Would you really?!..... ^_^ aaaaahhhh! that's so cute! :P
thanks! although i do hope my baby chibi Brooky isn't taken... i don't think he is, someone would've slapped me by now :P

Caliope > *looks at the palm trees and crystal blue beaches through the portal*
Oh my God.... Cali u evil!
How dare u take my chibi-Brooky out to a SPA..... without me!!
*starts jumping around*
I wanna go! I wanna go!.....
*gets some chocolate wrapped in golden foil* that will do for the gold
*gets regular tictacs (which were hard to find anyway :P)
and paints them orange*
That will do for the tic tacs! :P
Cali, the rest will be delivered by UPS ^_^
Now may I go w/ you guys to the beach? :)
pretty plz! :P

later.... *busy packing suitcase*
Alex Destine
Thursday, February 3, 2000 07:40:09 AM
IP: 136.145.83.241

*portals in in her swim suit with a towel around her waist*(Alex> you wrote: "How can you ask for such things?!?!?.... take my house, my bank accounts, all the diamonds and gold I've collected from all over the world!....
But why... Oh WHY?!!!... did you have to take my poor cute, and compleatly kawaii Chibi-Brooklyn away from me?"

...compleatly kawaii Chibi-Brooklyn away from me....WELL! Say that 3 times fast!!! :P

What the heck do I want diemonds and gold and bank acounts for I.....Ooooo.......OK! Those will do, if you dont got anything better....*fakes shrugs* I dont care...really! I'm nice! :)....I will keep the red BMW tho, dont you worry your little head off! :P...OH! But I CANT do without the oreng tic tacs...they're just so darn hard to find these days! So get to it!!! Oh, and my pal..I mean...er...my hostage, yeah, thats right, well, he's just fine...by the way, did you know how much he enjoys Pina Coladas?! :P Well, I better go....

*gets a bottle of suntan lotion from the closet and opens a portal through which can be seen plam trees and cristal blue beaches....* BROOKLYN!!!! *whining* You started playing with out me!!! I told you to wait for me!!!! Whats the score?! :P ....*portal closes behind her*




Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 07:30:25 AM
IP: 136.145.83.241

*Warpmind runs in, short of breath, waving a large poster.*
Guys! Guys! They've found a new breed of ants in Indonesia! They're upward of four feet in length! First one there gets the trophy! *Slams a few shells in the shotgun, then runs out again.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, February 3, 2000 06:30:22 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

*Warpmind enters, bringing along his adopted chibis. chibi Maggie is VERY pregnant these days, and chibi Talon seems equally concerned.*
Hi, guys. Well, seems Maggie here has decided that if it's a girl, shel'' be called Juniper... *Chibi Talon makes a face.* Obviously, the decision is not entirely too popular...

Puck The Trixter: Aw, man, that sucks... by the way, is your sister still in one (living) piece? ;) And of all things, Backstreet Boys... isn't there some sort of capital punishment for such a heinous crime?

Green Baron: Ah, I see your mistake; it is a quite simple misunderstanding. She is the REVERED Mrs. Morgan. There's a difference. Revered, without an n. Does that clear things up? :)

Christine: Yeah, well, you go with Richter. I guess having the old doctor have such a fairly innocent-sounding name can have the desired effect, too. ;) I know I'm likely to read it, anyway. :)

Pistoff: Hey, I was the guy who made the comment about Demona's body. :) And you're right. It was in half jest. Oh, and while I remember... did you offer up your work for the Demona's Payback project? I'm considering writing episode 4 based on one of your fics...

Wilek: Yeah, well, I was trying to make a point... big deal.

Well, not much more to do now, so I'll try to check back later. (So much surf, so little time...)
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, February 3, 2000 03:56:47 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Bengali-What that rev. did was a BIG no no in my book. Why is it that some people can't respect the beliefs of others? It's either you believe in what they believe in or you go straight to hell. Forcing beliefs on to others just seems wrong to me.

Archwolf-Fencing-I used to take fencing classes when I was younger. It's one of the few sports that actually interests me.

Wilek-JFK!? What, did no like the other presidents? Must have gone: "Oh no! We actually liked this president, we should raise the level of punishment."

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, February 3, 2000 02:34:32 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

ArchWolf> MOVIE?!! no kidding? I hadn't heard that. I guess maybe I should go check out the web site again(see link below), it has been a while. I do remember reading that Wendi & Richard were working on the idea. I can't to see it. Last year the Pinis were at the ComicCon in San Diego, and sadly I didn't get to attend.

Chibis> <personality quirks>.. who decides or how does one find out just what the quirks are anyhow? I'd love to have one, but for the life of me, I can't think of which one to choose from.


Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Thursday, February 3, 2000 02:16:43 AM
IP: 98a98d44.ipt.aol.com

Fire Storm> <<"Phantasmagoria: A Puzzle of the Flesh" by Sierra. Author Roberta Williams. I know of no other one.
(unless the one I have is the sqeuel.)>> It is; the original is subtitled Pray It's Only A Nightmare. Actually, they're not so much a series as an anthology, something like Tales From The Crypt; they have little to do with each other, except general style and play control. <<If so, I am sure that I can find a copy somewhere. I am REALLY good at finding stuff like that.>> They still sell it, packaged with A Puzzle Of Flesh, in a package called Phantasmagoria: Stage Fright, although I've only ever seen it at Babbage's. Interesting bit: The first game takes up *seven* CDs. I guess the second game has better compression.

Archwolf> Welcome! Hand in your sanity please; the gators don't like it. :) <<Um, one quick question before I leave for that strange land known as 'Reality'. What in the WORLD is a Chibi? (yeah, I recognize the term from a TGS story, but still..)>> It was in a TGS story? <blink> Hm. Anyhow, a chibi is a small cute anime version of a fictional character.

Skippy> <<I was looking for some assistence in staging some bit of mischief against him. All I need are some folks who live in an area where his show is broadcast to listen in for a week. He's notorious for not following FCC regs and I was looking to get some fire under his affiliates. If you think you can help, e-mail me...>> Interesting idea. I'd love to be able to help, but I'm afraid his show isn't available here. :/

Todd> <<Once, when we (the TGS staff) were, just for the fun of it, discussing who would have voiced the new cast members if TGS had been an actual animated series on television, Batya Levin nominated Ricci for the voice of Corbie McKenna/the Morrigan. I wonder what her discussers think of that bit, and how suited she would have been for the role.>> Well, I have trouble imagining her as anyone other than the Wednesday Addams sort, so I'm probably unqualified to give my opinion of this...Although, for some reason I can't help imagining Ricci as Alita Hayden from Coyote's WCC Team Delta. <shrug>

Kitainia> <<a Jewish guy once who was somehow distantly related to both famed Jewish anti-Nazi scholar Hannah Arendt and Hitler's deputy party leader Martin Bormann on his mother's side.>> There's something I *love* about this...hehehe...

Gside> <<Hey! I am lining with two mechanical engineers, one of which is probably going into aerospace.>> Ah. I used a poor choice of words; I intended to place the blame on whoever is responsible for maintaining the things. I'm unconscionably dumb at times. Apologies for any offense. :} (Ah well, I've done worse...) <<And does someone have c. Sevarious, or did Warpmind just hire him for the tests?>> He borrowed Chibi-Sevarius from Zath, if I'm not mistaken. :) <<New to my link's directory: a piece of art by my brother (almost an art school grduate). Very disturbing stuff.>> I thought it was pretty kewl (although the little demon fetus thing was kinda disturbing). Should I be worried about that? ;)

Jaden> <<Killing family members is only a 15 dollar fine in this crazy state. :P>> Heh...Kinda reminds me of an insane little statistic I tripped over recently--killing the president wasn't a federal offense until the assassination of JFK. :P

Xanathar> <<what about the upgrade units are they government run or can they be controlled by independant companies(or the underground as well)>> Well, there were a lot of upgrade units on the Von Braun, so unless they were on loan from the government, they were TriOp property. It's possible that TriOp manufactures them for the government.

Alex Destine> <<*wide eyes w/ excitment* Chibi Brooklyn isn't taken?!?!?! May I have it plz!!! :)>> I'm not for sure whether he's taken or not, but I can't remember anyone claiming him...anyhow, feel free to take any chibi that hasn't already been taken (although if you just have to have one that turns out to be someone else's, I'm sure I can arrange a session at the cloning lab). :)

$Warpmind> <<the blue gargoyle who is the current security chief of the most powerful space installation in the galaxy, right? ;)>> Actually, the security chief is Lieutenant Jespe; technically I'm a consultant to the senior staff (which isn't even an official position). :) As for most powerful space installation...modesty demands that I guess at the existence of maybe seven or eight better ones under the control of the New Republic or the Nation Of Worlds (or, gods forbid, the Empire or the Concordat). ;) $

Green Baron> <<My mother posted a sign reminding work study students to sign their time sheets so they can get paid. Well, at the end she puts in "no tickee, no shirt" and she later finds out that the Loyola Unievrsity Asian Student Organzitaion has been offended and they threateend to sue her.>> Gads...this kind of thing will be punishable by exile in my new order...<<why is Christine the Reverend Mrs. Morgan?>> Actually, I think she was originally addressed as 'The *Revered* Mrs. Morgan' (unless of course my memory has glitched *again*). It's easy to misread. <<it did piss in the cheerios of a few extreme fundamnetalists>> As if my nightmares weren't Freudian enough. ;P <<Perosnally, I've never understood why Darwin's symbol is a fish.>> I think it was intended as a bit of a mockery of the original Christian icthus (sp?) sigil (the Darwin fish has little legs).

Bronx> <<Dang cold... *looks at thermometer and sighs* please go down Mr. Fever...>> Gads...Get well soon, friend. This should help: Yo, Vega! Got a job for you. [The masked Spanish chibi-ninja leaps into the room through a ventilation duct.] The Plague Spreader I briefed you on, Sli Sludge, is acting up again. You know what to do. [Chibi-Vega nods, then leaves the room. Screams are heard for the next hour or so, and c. Vega comes back covered in blood and trailing Sludge's intestines behind him.] Excellent job. >:)

SOROW> <<Thanks for the blaster. *sniff* It's just what I always wanted! :)>> Yer welcome lass. ^_^

Jannie> <<it's called a remote control and the little red button called, "off" :)>> The one on my remote is sort of a radioactive green (it's one of the glow in the dark ones). ;)

Pistoff> <<he's about to get laid, and my dry spell will soon enter its nineth year. That's probably one of the reasons I have so much sexual stuff festering in my mind. I can see or hear the most innocent comment and immediately twist it into something filthy. ;)>> Ah. For some reason, my hormones gave up trying to influence me long ago. (The declaration of war probably had to do with that. Since they had the equivalent weaponry of 10th century Wyvern and I had the equivalent weaponry of the Gra'athi, well, it wasn't much of a contest.) ;P

Taleweaver> Welcome back! ^_^ <<It was some thing that was buzzing in my head watching Beast Machines. The Spark is the transformer equivalent of a soul. But the Vehicons have personalities and identities far different from their Beast War counterparts. So it got me wondering. Is the soul more to you than *you*?>> Hm...You know, I've had a theory for the longest time that may have to do with this: That the mind and soul are much the same thing...but the *brain*, the physical organ, is much different from either of those, and is in fact the interface with which the soul interacts with and is anchored to corporeal reality. It would explain a lot.
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, February 3, 2000 02:08:14 AM
IP: tnt-1-358-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

SJ > Oh, don't worry, I wasn't really that upset about what you said. :) Like I said, I didn't think you were trying to be offensive or anything like that. And "Austin Powers 2"--yeah, I remember that part now--"I'd like you to meet my lover...Una Brau."

GB, Pissy >Thanks for the comforting words about my family. It's probably not even that serious, but it's upsetting me because my family _never_ fights like this. Thanks. :)

Okay, I'm looking for some potencial roomies for the Gathering. 2 or 3 people, guys or gals, whatever; I'm not picky. Is there a message board or anything like that where this sort of thing can be figured out? Any volunteers? I know it's still pretty far off, but I need to plan carefully so I can save enough money.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 01:00:47 AM
IP: ctrts1-13.mrs.umn.edu

New to my link's directory: a piece of art by my brother (almost an art school grduate). Very disturbing stuff. Maybe I should have waited for the religion debate to be long forgotten...

Green Baron> Jury idea: Let's call them Fair Witnesses (reference to Stranger in a Strange Land; good book)
political correctness: If we got the aisian organizations angry on Busch campus (houses the School of Engineering), there could be a purging, and no one would notice.
<<Then why is Christine the Reverend Mrs. Morgan>>: Oops, I think that would be from me. I added the honorific "Revered" (no "n") in a couple of posts.
<<Evolution and God> I believe in both>>: One way I like of reconciling that is that God set things in motion (environmental conditions and changes) so that man would end up as he is.
There is no h in (John Ronald Reuel) Tolkien. Sorry, but my father loves him. He paints these little metal figures. We have somewhere around 100 dwonstairs...

Jewel> <<None of the gay/bi-sexual women I knew in college acted any differently than anyone else>>: I assume you have never encountered LABIA. Yes, LABIA. This is essential a rather outspoken group here ar Rutgers (usually found on Douglas campus). In case you are wondering, LABIA stands for Lesbian And Bisexual wymen In Action.
On a related note, I am waiting for the sororities Pi Mu Sigma, and Sigma Phi Omicron to start, as well as the frat Gamma Alpha Upsilon. (Roamanize the letters)

Toku Kai> Random logic question: "This statement is False" is not a valid proposition because it has an indeterminate truth value. What about "This statement is True"?

Sev. Jr.> <<Sad to see Bradley lose>>: Yes, we Joiseans are spreading our influence. Hahahaha...

Det. Stoff> Chickens: I heard it was an American aerospace lending the cannon to a French company for engine testing. (We're engineers here, we love this stuff)

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, February 3, 2000 12:53:51 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Hey all. Sorry I haven't posted in a couple days. Started out as yet another bad week, but things are starting to pick up. Well not much to say except that I just finished watching BIG. Tom Hanks is awesome. High to all the newbies. Hope you guys have fun in here.

Fleur: No, I just get a little horny sometimes.

Doug and Kit: Thanks guys. I know you would be there if you could. Well I guess we'll have to wait until I'm famous, and I make a stop in Austin during my tour.(I'll kidnap SOROW and make her come with me)

SOROW: I'm really glad we got a chance to spend sometime together. It means alot to me that you can make time for me even in your busy schedule.

Hey. does anyone else find it ironic that out of everyone in this room, I'm the only one that never gets a spanking from SOROW??????

JOE BOXER
Thursday, February 3, 2000 12:29:51 AM
IP: spider-wd034.proxy.aol.com

Back from a long absence.
Willow's love life> My jury is out on this one. Whedon has pleasently surprised me at a lot of turns. I asked myself what Joss was smoking when I heard about Cordellia and Angel as a team. I was wrong. I thought nothing could top Spike and Drusilla as villains. I was wrong. When I first thought this was heading in the direction, I was less than enthused, but I can be wrong here. So I'll see how things play out. I am curious though, would this count as a rebound relationship.

New topic> Everyone feels pretty secure about an afterlife. Let me steer things this way. Do you think your identity survives into the great beyond. It was some thing that was buzzing in my head watching Beast Machines. The Spark is the transformer equivalent of a soul. But the Vehicons have personalities and identities far different from their Beast War counterparts. So it got me wondering. Is the soul more to you than *you*?
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Thursday, February 3, 2000 12:06:48 AM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Just a couple of quick replies tonight. For the last week or so I've been getting by on two or three hours of sleep each night, and last night I slept for about half an hour, somewhere between midnight and 9 AM, when I finally gave up. Yesterday I found out that Pizza Hut will be closing on the 9th. Got a week left. *grumbles* Then I went out looking for a job. Every place I went to told me they weren't hiring. I asked for applications anyway, so they'd have it on file for later, and they all told me that they weren't accepting applications. And I went to a LOT of places, here. Every last one of them told me the same thing. I even went to that sex-toy store, and got the same response. So I returned home empty-handed. Looks like I'll be stuck at the other Pizza Hut...and if that happens, it's only a matter of time before I pop all of my rivets....

Anyway...

Christine: Hmm...well, I must not have seen that other comment. *shrugs* Still, mentioning it in relation to Jericho doesn't make much of a point, since there's only one of him and multiple versions of Demona. Whoever made that comment about Demona sounded really shallow, but since most of the people in here are smarter than that, I'm inclined to think it was merely a joke. But even so...as I said, villainous versions of Demona should not under any circumstances have people drooling over her (especially the one who humps her own son) any more than Jericho should. Anybody who does have the hots for characters like those should be shot with a tranquilizer gun and locked up immediately.

As for Demona being "hot"...I suppose. Still, I have a problem with the way she was drawn in the TV series. She's too damn skinny. Her waist looks like she uses a monomolecular filament as a belt. I always half-expected her to be sliced in half every time she moved. ;) I vaguely remember somebody mentioning something about using a naked picture of Demona as a background for the CR. Ehh...well, not if it's a modified pic from the TV show, I hope. That narrow waist just gives me the creeps. Honestly, I don't need to see naked females unless one is within arm's reach and...well, I'm sure you get the idea. ;) But still, if we had a naked-garg pic, I'd vote for Ari Brooks. (One of my ficverse characters, so I'm a bit biased...but still...Beak is Beautiful. :)~~~

Anne: Congrats on the good fortune. Wish I knew how I could get in on a job like that. I could use a couple million...especially now. *sigh* Loved your teaser for your revised Alienł script. Now I'm _really_ curious. :D Thanks for the kind words about the job stuff. :) And I'm not sure when the next fic will be done. We're working on it, Denis writing the outline and I'm fleshing it out...it's up to 28 pages now, and will probably be somewhere around 70-100 pages when we're done. O_O I'm tossing around some ideas for the next Rising Sun, and got started on one focusing on The Dude, before RL stuff sidetracked me. G2K won't be concluding for quite a while yet. ;) There are several more stories before the season finale, and then it'll continue after that. We're using a structure that's similar to TV-series seasons--22 or 24 episodes per season. Rising Sun will probably be a limited series, lasting a season or two...or maybe three...I haven't decided yet. I'm not sure if The Dude will have the same structure or not...Vacuum Riders probably will, or at least it'll be similar....anyway, the next G2K should be finished in a month or two... :)

Wilek: *returns high five* :D I'm glad I'm not alone on this one. I couldn't care less about sports, especially football. All that running around, but they never go anywhere. Same thing with baseball. Just never appealed to me. ;) I'm pretty sure the serial-killer trading cards were real. I saw a few packs of them in a novelty store that I delivered to a few times. Made me wanna hurl. :/ <<I've heard that every writer incorporates something of himself in every character he writes for, whether of his own creation or another's.>> I think that's very true. Especially with Jack, the similarities are almost complete...except Jack has long hair and I have none...and he's about to get laid, and my dry spell will soon enter its nineth year. That's probably one of the reasons I have so much sexual stuff festering in my mind. I can see or hear the most innocent comment and immediately twist it into something filthy. ;)

Chibi Roll Call: I've got Chibi-Duke Nukem and Chibi-Octabrain. I've been thinking about acquiring a Chibi-Leonard and Chibi-Bubba, but haven't decided yet. And sooner or later I might add a Chibi-Xenomorph... BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Delphi: Idaho list--LMAO! I thought you'd like the following story, which I saw Tom Snyder talking about on his show a couple of years ago... Basically, it's about how a train company somewhere (in Europe, I think) using dead chickens to do impact tests on their trains. They fire the dead chicken out of a cannon, and it slams into the train's windshield, then they study the damage so they can figure out how to improve this or that. A train company in America heard about this and asked some questions, then decided to give it a try. They launched the dead chicken out of the cannon, and it plowed through the windshield, through the control panel and through the door into the passenger compartment. They documented the results of the test and sent them to the company in Europe. Their tech guys investigated, then sent this message back to the American company (and I have to admit that I'm paraphrasing, here...): "After studying your results exhaustively for weeks, we have come to the following conclusion--next time you perform this test, be sure to use a chicken that is thawed." *rimshot*

The Willow-lesbien thing: I couldn't care less one way or another. Everybody here knows how I feel about that show, so it's not like I'd actually see it happen. ;) Still, I gotta agree with Jessie and Jewel--homosexuality is just another one of those things that is part of our world, and it's reasonable for a TV show to deal with it now and then--as long as it's not just some kind of publicity stunt, as SJ said, and as long as they don't Ellenize it. Honestly, I'm tired of people acting as if something like this is gonna cause the sky to fall. People who throw a huge fit over something like this...all I can do is shake my head and sigh. It's the year 2000, people. Let's not get hung up on stuff like this. How does it hurt anybody else? Besides, how can it ruin a TV show that sucked like a Dirt Devil from the very beginning, anyway? *evil grin*

Coyote: Sorry about what happened to your toe, hope it's better now. As for the "Disnia" thing...O_O...Damn, I didn't notice that. Way to go, Mainframe! >8D

Bengali: Okay, the guy who treated you that way should get his ass kicked. Of all people, a man of the cloth should understand the "do unto others" rule. He had no right to do that. My impression has been that religion is supposed to be about helping and healing people...but there are too many people who just don't get it, too many people who are so eager to tell you that you're gonna burn in hell or whatever. But sooner or later, what he sends around will come back to kick him in the balls. He'll treat the wrong person this way, and will get (at least) the tongue-lashing that he deserves. :)

Kitainia: Thanks for your kind words, and I hope your computer behaves itself from now on. And don't worry, I wasn't really offended. I was just angry at the entire world, and that kinda spilled out into my comments. Tonight, I'm more tired and discouraged than angry, so this'll be a calmer response. ;) Honestly, the only thing that really bothered me was Doug's reaction to Rocky's joke. In addition to taking it completely out of context...well, I mean, Christine can write stories about a mother and son bumping pubes and everybody falls over themselves to read them and hardly anybody says anything negative...and yet Doug threw a fit about one little line of dialogue and said he hoped never to see anything like that again. *shrugs* That kinda irked me, but I think it was more the mood I was in, which made me more susceptable than usual. Anyway, the game shows I mentioned...I saw some clips on one of those shows about TV shows from around the world. The Japanese ones, in particular, had people doing some really messed-up stuff. And there was one that was similar to that practical-jokes show with Dick Clark and Ed McMahan...they would sneak into some poor guy's house while he was asleep, go into his bedroom and fire a gun loaded with blanks. Scared the shit out of the guy. In another scene, they used a bazooka that was loaded with some sort of specially-made blank. And finally, they got into another guy's house and wheeled a cannon into his bedroom. (I think it's fairly obvious that anyone who did something like that to me would either die immediately...or end up _wishing_ I would kill him. ;) As for anime, a fairly common character is the "dirty old man." (There were several in "Roujin Z" and one in "Wicked City.") I agree with you that the majority of the Ishimura clan isn't like that, but I thought it was reasonable to have a couple of them be a little...unusual. ;) Still, as I said, the fact that this wasn't clear in the story just means I didn't do a good enough job of getting that across at the time. Your comments made me understand that and I'll try to do better in the future. Same with your (and Doug's) comments about Rocky and Ralphie (most of them, anyway *g*). You couldn't have known a lot of the background stuff unless it was mentioned in the story...which it wasn't. Some of it, I felt, should've been self-evident, but other stuff should've been explained but wasn't. That's one of the problems with a long story--adding all of this stuff would've made the story better, but it also would've meant the story probably would've been 140 pages (single-spaced) instead of just 70. But now that I know what wasn't clear, I can fix it in later stories. <<Also glad you've acknowledged you're putting sex in your fics a bit too much, I've liked it most of the time but too much of a good thing is generally bad.>> Hmm, one thing I need to clarify--I try to avoid putting sex in my stories, because I find it to be very frustrating, personally. Maybe it's not that big a deal for people who have a significant other...but it's been almost nine years since I've so much as held a woman in my arms. So I don't care to get worked up by writing sex scenes (and I refuse to read anything in the so-called Adult Archive for the same reason...but if I get started going off about the meaningless porno crap in there, I'll never be able to shut up ;). Now, I've written sex scenes before, (and written a few porno stories as well, which I am now completely ashamed of, but I freely admit it so nobody can bash me over the head with it at some crucial moment later) but mainly because they were in Denis' outlines. I got tired of that real fast, and when I started reposting the stories, I removed the sex scenes because, IMO, they interfered with the flow of the plot rather than helped move it along, in addition to making me personally uncomfortable. I've reposted the first fifteen, and out of all of those I believe I only kept one sex scene (the one in Hatchet) because for some reason I felt it needed to be there...and because it was mercifully brief. ;) Anyway, I think what you were referring to is my tendency to have characters _talking_ about sex, or making sexual innuendo or smartass remarks. You're right about that. I do have a tendency to go overboard with this kind of stuff. I sometimes find myself thinking about it entirely too much, and that sort of leaks into my stories. In some cases, like Otto...well, he wouldn't be Otto if he wasn't joking about sex or masturbation at every opportunity. But other than that, I'll do my best to tone it down. (Though I do think Dingo's misunderstanding about what exactly was named "Mr. Carter" was too good to pass up. ;) Thanks for pointing this out to me, though, and I'll try to keep myself under control in the future. Thanks for the comments, they really were helpful, and sorry I was so grouchy about it. And again, thanks for the kind words, and I hope things continue to go well with you and Doug. :)

Jessie: Ye gods! Sorry about what's going on with your family. I hope it blows over soon. *hugs* Thanks for sending that sketch so quickly. :) It was amazing, as usual. :D We're all proud to have you onboard as our Official Artist. *huge grin*

Xanathar: <<got any customer revenge plans in motion yet >;)>> Heh heh heh ... I've had plans percolating in the back of my mind for the past five years.... *evil, evil grin*

SJ: <<Presidential Primaries: Anybody care yet?>> Heh, not me, though I'm glad to see McCain win, as well. As long as that punk George Jr. doesn't become president, I'll be fairly happy. The only reason he's involved is because of his daddy (and his daddy's money)...well, that and the fact that the Republicans hate Clinton and want to get rid of him. A candidacy based on vengeance is not much of a candidacy. *shrugs* Oh well. Politicians are politicians.... ;)

Okay...now to get back to catching up on emails...if I can stay awake long enough.... ;P
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 11:42:47 PM
IP: cb1-75.transport.com

"Buffy" might be canceled next year? Sigh. I just hope that WB's found another high-quality television series (whether live-action or animated) to succeed it if that happens.

As for all this business about Willow's future love life - just out of curiosity, has this been confirmed as yet by Whedon or anybody else on the production team, or is it just a wild rumor?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 10:38:11 PM
IP: 216.87.46.156.dialup-stl.primary.net

"Damien Part Three" teasers (just 'cause I'm evil <g>):

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Patches of the mist thinned enough to give Elisa a glimpse of what lay beyond. Instead of the rest of the bridge, the other island, the rest of the _world_, she saw a dull rust-colored plain pocked with craters and dotted with grey-black spires of stone that stuck up through crumbly soil like reaching fingers.

“Okay,” she said shakily, combing her hair back from her face with both hands. “Okay, where the _hell_ are we?”

Beside her, Owen blew through pursed lips and nodded unhappily. “Exactly.”

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Demona tried to let herself go limp, knowing it would hurt so much less if her body was relaxed, but she couldn’t do it. Tension drew her tight as a wire, and she was already anticipating the horrid crunch of her landing.

Strong arms caught her and broke her fall.

She laughed shakily in relief, pressing against his powerful chest, should have known her Jericho wouldn’t let anything happen to --

But Jericho was still above her, she could see him, diving now in raw _fury_ instead of anguish.

Demona whipped her head around, and was eye to eye with Goliath.

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Warpmind > thanks for the suggestions, but I'm pretty sure I'll just go with Richter ; )

News > today was Becca's last day at her preschool; Tim is going to be working from home 3 days a week now, so we'll be able to keep her home until kindergarten, save 400 bucks a month, and best of all, all three of us will be able to get more sleep! No more getting up after 6 and 1/2 hours to go pick her up! Hurrah! Means I will be in a much better mood, which I'm sure everyone is glad to hear! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 10:36:58 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Jewel> re: Willow's upcoming lesbian affair - you're right, "suck it up and deal with it" I will - it's called a remote control and the little red button called, "off" :)

Bengali> for what it's worth, there's scripture from the New Testament that says, (paraphrased) if a man becomes a preacher than he will be judged more harsh than other men.
This guy should be hung up and beaten severely 'bout the head and shoulders.

*turns cartwheels* My HARDback books arrived!! I purchased them thru the G2K merchandise site. "Meet the Characters - Gargoyles" and "Gargoyles, Defenders of the Night". They are awesome!
Jannie
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 10:04:28 PM
IP: 196-084.c.esc4.net

Hi all! There's certainly a lot of newbies this week, so make yourselves at home!
NOTICE! For all CR clan members (especially the guys cause they love it so much) to receive their annual birthday spankings by me, the Official CR Spanker, everyone whose birthday is in February needs to post to me as soon as possible. I have quite a calendar! Thanks!

Wilek> Thanks for the blaster. *sniff* It's just what I always wanted! :)

Xanathar> You're welcome.

Aaron> Thanks. It's appreciated that you're thinking about me.

Anne> Oh, there will be other opportunities for me to see the world...I hope. I'm sorry you're not going to Chicago! I guess you'll just have to put up with us! :)

Kit> Thanks. As for the lunchbox, being only 17 and not having any kids...IT'S MINE! ALL MINE! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
SOROW
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 10:01:30 PM
IP: dll2a030-0961.splitrock.net

***BEGIN RP***
Kari looked at SJ, then she looked at Dyspare. She alternated between the two, in a state of total confusion. "Okay....I'm very, very out of the loop here. You--" she pointed at the little creature. "--You're a demon?"
Dyspare nodded.
"And he's supposed to be a demon too?" she asked, pointing at SJ.
"Yes...he was sent here by my master. I can't say any more than that. But now a Seeker is here, and he'll find him and ME, and then he'll try to kill us, and--"
"You know what?" Kari interrupted. "I think that's the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. Who sent you? Thailog? Who are you working for?"
"I can't tell you, but it's not Thailog!" Dyspare moaned. "But we have to leave now, otherwise we'll be detec---AAAAAIIIIYEEEE!" The little demon screeched in surprise and fear as at that precise moment, the Black Ravens struck.
"Get it!" one of them shouted, and they piled on the small creature. It's small frame was suddenly covered by a mass of humanity. In their haste to attack the creature, however, the Ravens has accidentally knocked aside both SJ and Kari. Kari landed rather unceremoniously on her rump, while SJ flew headfirst into a bulkhead.
Kari rushed over to him. "Are you okay?" she asked, helping him to his feet.
"Yeah, I'm okay, I just--awwwww crap." His shoulders sagged.
"What? What's wrong? Are you hurt?"
"No, it's not that," he said sadly. "I...I just remembered, that's all."
"Remembered what?"
He looked at her, and at that precise moment, his eyes burned an unholy red. He gave her a sad, lopsided grin. "I just remembered.....I really AM a demon."
***END RP***

$Note to all RPers: Sorry to delay things like I have. If you would, please, DON'T kill Dyspare or the demon SJ. You can rough Dyspare up, if ya want, but I kind of have some plans for him. So be somewhat gentle ;)$

Kit: I appreciate your kind words and your remarks about families. I know you went through some trying times before with your family. I'm very happy that they've been somewhat resolved, and that you now have a great family in Doug and your other friends. As for my situation with my family...at this point, it's far too early to say things will be resolved. I'm not in the mood to deal with certain people. I'm not right about a lot of things, but with these people, I'm *always* wrong, and I don't want to deal with that. But don't worry about me; I'll be okay. It also helps when I have wonderful people like you and Doug, and everyone else in this room to support me and cheer me up :)

Buffy Stuff: Before I get to the Willow comments, here's some insidious stuff I just heard--the WB may not renew Buffy after next season. The show's only contracted for 5 years, and they're seriously considering not renewing it. Cause "from an economic standpoint, it doesn't have the same place in our lineup that a show like E.R. has for NBC."
That's a bunch of crap. Buffy is one of the best-rated shows--not to mention critically acclaimed--that the WB has on. So go ahead and cancel it. Maybe you can put some damn Dawson's Creek reruns on instead. Same damn thing every week that show--Dawson loves the blonde chick, no wait, he loves Joey, no wait Joey loves Pacey, no Pacey loves his teacher, blah blah blah.

Willow stuff: I don't have much of a problem with Willow being bisexual, except it does make me uneasy for two reasons: 1. It's a little different direction than her character normally is. Yes, to be honest, I'm probably a little too comfortable with "Cute, nerdy Willow" rather than "Black magic bisexual Willow". And 2. Is this really a planned out plotline, or is this something done to be "trendy" and get ratings. Case in point--ever since Ellen, lesbians are the in thing. Ally McBeal featured a lesbian kiss. Changing Willow into a bisexual is okay if it's legitimatelly a planned out portion of the plot, but if it's just some sort of...well, publicity stunt, and the focus is placed solely on this relationship to get all of its "shock value", well that makes me uneasy. But I have faith in Joss.
Jessie: You shouldn't be real upset with my Willow comments, once you realize that I mainly talk out of my ass more times than not ;) I was joking around with the story; picture Willow in full dominatrix gear.....As for sex being dirty, well, I tend to agree with you for the most part (although no one is gonna tell me that anal sex is anything BUT dirty). And to be graphic....yes, certain chauvinistic men (and I have no idea who they would be ;) find two women engaged in a physical relationship to be...enticing. And for the record, my "love that can't speak its own name" line was taken from Frau Farbissina in Austin Powers 2. You do amaze me with your knowledge of sexual euphemisms, though ;)

Presidential Primaries: Anybody care yet? Well, I was somewhat pleased with the results. As I've said before, it's not really about who's best for the job, it's more about who'll embarass the least when they get into office. To that end, I was glad that McCain won against Bush. I respect McCain, but unfortunately I don't think the Republican Party has any plans on giving him the nom. Sad to see Bradley lose, though. I'd endorse him over Gore, but at least it was a narrow defeat. Reportedly Bradley is gonna be pushing hard the next few weeks, exposing Gore's dirty little secrets....which basically are that the man lies through his ass about everything depending upon the which way the wind blows. Eh, typical politician.

Green Baron: Glad to see you're a Lewis fan as well. I personally respect him as well; he was a very educated man who had a real talent for literature. And I have about a year left, more or less, to go before I finish school. Then it's the hunt for the old job...

Bengali: I'm truly very sorry that that "preacher" (and I use that term lightly) treated you in that matter. But you must remember, there are those who profess to be Christians who don't judge so easily. It's an unfortunate fact that Christianity has some of the most disturbed, ridiculous individuals in the world (i.e. Religious Right, abortion bombers, the KKK who CLAIM that the Bible preaches white supremacy...a bit ridiculous seeing as Jesus himself was a Jew, and not a member of the Aryan Brotherhood...)

Chibi-roll call: So far I only have Chibi-Count Lee from Vampire Hunter D. Can I take me, Chibi-SJ?
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 09:40:56 PM
IP: 207-172-60-167.s167.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

Toku Kaioto: I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK, BUD!
Ifni
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 08:38:39 PM
IP: 208.158.57.230

*comes into the room driving a red BMW convertible*
OK,... I found the car... but I'm still working on those dang tic tacs!! (don't even ask me about the gummy bears!)

I see lots of people here have chibi's ^_^
then does that mean chibi Brooklyn was not taken already, then he's mine!??!? ^_^
(i use the term loosly since Caliope has kidnapped him... but I'll get him back...)

*starts to make a collar for her precious chibi Brooklyn*
I'm implanting a searching device on it too, so Cali wont get any more bright ideas....

Now I'm off to find those cursed tic tacs!

Ja ne! ^_^
Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 07:50:44 PM
IP: proxy.coqui.net

Gay Willow: Umm...no offense to anyone, but for all y'all bemoaning that they might make Willow gay...suck it up and deal. Homosexuality's real. It's out there. It's not sick, and it's really about time TV woke up to the realities of life and made a few characters gay, instead of the white-bread crock most of it is now. My only hope is that if they do it, they don't obsesses over her "gayness"--ie, pull an "Ellen." None of the gay/bi-sexual women I knew in college acted any differently than anyone else about their love-lives, or made any bigger deal out of it than my straight friends made a big deal out of their love-lives.

Religion: Just a brief mention. Questions of theology and all that aside, religions seem to me to be more about Man than God, and that kinda bothers me--it feels like en masse, people have missed something fundamental...
jewel
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 07:18:26 PM
IP: abdb07c8.ipt.aol.com

Dang cold... *looks at thermometer and sighs* please go down Mr. Fever...

Chibi Roll Call> I got chibi Nudnik, Argus and Bronx! :D
Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 06:51:30 PM
IP: spider-wo052.proxy.aol.com

Green Baron>Hm.... I used to play Aliens Online (Colonial Marines) (or anything thru gamestorm). Other places you may have run into me are Aardwolf MUD and anywhere in the Collegeclub (hey, it's free email and i can sometimes get free goodies out of it).

Aaron>Yep. Started in highschool, now I fence in the NCAA's. Lots of fun and lots more work. And no social life.

*sniffs the air* oops...dinner is getting away.
Shade and Sweet Water
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 06:23:39 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

RP WARNING!!!
**The hired goon sent out to catch OJ Simpson has now confronted Simpson at a gulf course in Michigan. He decides to shoot OJ in the foot to detain him.

"The cat wants you. It's time to pay your bills."
OJ's foot has already healed, so he walks up to the goon with no pain, much to the goon's shock.
"You forgot the magic word."
The goon starts running, but not fast enough. OJ Simpson takes out his machete and cuts the guy to ribbons in a gory display that cannot be described in the CR. OJ then takes the guys head and whacks it with his nine iron until it falls into the water hazard.
"Fore!!!!!!"**
END RP!!!

Jury Duty> I like the idea of reformatting Jury Duty and making it more professional. What we need are professional jurors who are unswayed by emotion and have no interests in the case, plus they should be paid a lot more so we can have professionals serve.

Al Gore> ::grabs a crucifix and gets out his holy water supersoaker:: Back! Back! :)

Gside> I have a situation of political correctness for you. My mother posted a sign reminding work study students to sign their time sheets so they can get paid. Well, at the end she puts in "no tickee, no shirt" and she later finds out that the Loyola Unievrsity Asian Student Organzitaion has been offended and they threateend to sue her.

Bengali> That minister was wrong to attack you like that. It's a wonder how peopel do that and don't lose their congragations. Would you like to add him to our Joyride request form, or my socuts can set him up on our Inquisition fun list :)

Kaioto> I'm not so much dismissing Amnesty International as much as I think a fiscally conservative death penalty alternative would sell better in this country.

New Hampshire News> McCain cans W :):):):) Al Gore narrowly wins, only because he went back in tiem and invented the Presidential primary :)

Xena Trek> If only I could spend all night with you on-line or better yet, RL :) Alsa, my PC won't cooperate with me, so I can only communicate at school. But since you're here.......::starts kissing XenaTrek with soft, gentle kisses taht gradually increase with lusty passion for about an hour or so::

Revel> I imagine religion can be a touchy topic for you, especially since you live in Denton :)

SJ> How much longer do you have in College? Once you get a job afterwrads, you can rent a cheap apartment and get away from your family forever.

Jenna> Good luck on finding a new job. Attila offers more noozlies.

Warpmind> Then why is Christine the Reverend Mrs. Morgan?

Evolution and God> I believe in both. Pope John Paul II even said that they can both coexist with no problem, even though it did piss in the cheerios of a few extreme fundamnetalists, but they don't like any religion that doesn't allow first cousins to marry :)

Darwin> Perosnally, I've never understood why Darwin's symbol is a fish. Here's a new bumpersticker. A bigger fish with "MARY" on it is pointing to a papal symbol and tells the Jesus and Darwin fish, "You heard what he said, now play nice!!!" :)

Personally, I always thought Darwin's symbol should be a beagle :)

Qyestioner> If I recall, Gnostics also beleived that only people with "special knowledge" can get into Heavaen, mainly being them. Maybe that was another group, though.

SJ> I am quite fond of CS Lewis and I just read his Chronicles of Narnia books in full. The movie sounds promising, too. Too bad we weren't born 60 years earlier. We could have met such men as Lewis, Tholkein, and Chesterton. Well, Tholkein's son is in the same order that runs my HS. Too bad, they neevr sent him to my HS as a guest Englsih Lit teacher for a semester. That would draw in quite a crowd.

Anonymous> Double preacher's kid? That sounds like a fun dinner table :p

Chibi Roll Call> I have chibi-Vogel. Reverend Attila has chibi-Hnery Kissinger.

Anne> It sounds like your life has improved. Perosnally, I think you shoudl invest as much as possible. You're 13 and a College trust is probably a good idea. As for your dad's 3 million, if I were him, I would invest it all, and then withdrew a percentage of it every year, but thsi has a lot to do with my Scottish heritage :)

Also, my family used to be wealthy centuries ago, but since arrriving here, that wealth is gone and I see a lack fo thrift and alchohol as the main culprits. I am the last male in my line, so my life shall determine the future of Clan Forsyth's Nydrie and Tailzertoun branch. I baically want to restore the wealth in the form of investments, which can include businesses, but mostly a thrifty lifestyle with a huge profolio. I beleive that donating to your parish or any number of charities is an excellent idea and good to do when you start out with money, since donating a percentage of a small amount makes it easier to donate that percentage of a larger amount later on. I odn't know how much you have personally to invest, either. While Finance is one of my Majors, I am no expert and I cannot advise you on any stocks taht are a sure thing, but I'd recommend you invest in index funds like the S&P 500. Internet stocks are also good for high returns, but it si uncertain how long they'd be good. I'd recommend plopping some money down on Amazon.com or eBay for a short time period, like a few months to a year, but not too much, since that Internet bubble could pop soon. For now, just get your parents to set up a custodial account for you (being under 18, you cannot have the account exclusively in your name) and hopefully something with on-line trading, because of lower commisssions.

BTW, I have a little sister named Anne. As for names, everyone in my family is named after a relative (usually a dead one). I intend to name all my children afetr dead relatives and an occasioanl living one, too, though that number will probably be a small one, since I don't plan to get married for about ten more years or more.

Archwolf> Have I met you before. Something about you seems familiar.

Jessie Feff> I hope things get better with your family ::hugs::

I prefer cousins to immediate family, which is kind of weird.

RESUME RP!!!
**New Orleans, Lousiana
Jennifer Love Hewitt has gotten off the bus and is naturally quite tired. She decides to grab a phone book to look for the Green Baron's address, but as she puts her hand in her jeans pocket to get a quarter, she finds a note with the Green Baron's address and a ten dollar bill, which the note refers to as cab fare. Even wierder are the cat hairs on the note and in her pocket.**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 05:45:40 PM
IP: 141.164.133.114

Enters the room, Chibi-Deliah helps ChibiSquall with his foot..in retalitation Squall-kun Aims his gun blade at Xellos-kun, the gooey ball lands on Xellos,causing him to reek of,garbage,outhouse,and skunk
"Hey naughy" I scolded,but then I see his swollen foot and Deliah and i doctor it.

AnnE>>Medicine that tastes good...uh Dimetapp, I love it.

Whoa I have seen the discussion at the Buffy board and yes I can tell you Joss will handle it just fine, From the way he post's he should fit in here,his Sanity already has been removed

Happy Groundhog's day all watches as her chibi's see their own shadows. argh 6 more weeks of winter....well 3 more weeks for us Floridians.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 03:37:52 PM
IP: user-37kap68.dialup.mindspring.com

A dark figure skulks through the rafters of the CR, both annoyed at being utterly unable to moosh Xellos-kun, and amused that Squall seems to be taking the blame.

Aaron wanders in, now aware thanks to Mara's post that something bad, but highly entertaining is happening, starts shining a flashlight into the rafters. Not finding anything, he turns to address the room.

Stephen> Good luck with DragonLaugh.

Gside> I think jewel has chibi-Anton, but don't hold me to that.

Archwolf> You get to take fencing in school?!? Too kewl.

Weird relations> Well, I'm supposed to be related to either Louis or Clark, but I don't know which.

Mara> Well, I have an idea of who's behind all this, but don't want to say quite yet. Suffice to say, all shall be revealed in due time.

A pale yellow version of chibi-Lex with a cybernetic arm pops up out of Aaron's pocket.

"You mean you're going to get nekkid? Gross!"

Gahh! What're you doing here, you little fic spoiler?!? I told you guys never to come in here.

"I just followed him. But I think being chibified did something to his mind."

A plumber's friend flies out of the shadows and smacks the chibi in the face. Tied to it is a note that reads: "Oh really. And your excuse is?"

Oh crud. It's who I thought it was. I'm afraid we may have to let this run its course.

Later.

Aaron leaves, carrying the struggling Chibi-Pestilence with him.

Who is stalking Xellos-kun? Is it...

Chibi-Jackal?

Chibi-Coyote?

Chibi-Officer Barbrady?


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 03:35:58 PM
IP: ppp-187.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

*looks around for her new Chibi-Brooklyn*
Oh Brooky.... Brooky-poo... where are you?.... What's this?

*reads ransom note left by Caliope*
............*deep breath*... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!.....

How can you ask for such things?!?!?.... take my house, my bank accounts, all the diamonds and gold I've collected from all over the world!....
But why... Oh WHY?!!!... did you have to take my poor cute, and compleatly kawaii Chibi-Brooklyn away from me?

And, by the way... the things you ask for!! "4 boxes of Powdered jell-o...strawberry flavoed....a bag of gummy bears
and a pack of orange tic-tacs...."
where the heck am I gonna look for these things?!?!?!

The red BMW convertible I can deliver... but everything else! I think it's an absurdity on your part... (oh wait! This is Cali we're talking about) :P

fine... fine... I shall meet your demands!
May we trance for 3 boxes of Powdered Jell-o instead..?

*goes now to find the jell-o and tic tacs while mumbling under her breath: Cali Bakka!*

later.... ^_^

Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 02:15:29 PM
IP: 136.145.83.177

*Comes in singing 'Of Wolf and Man'* Hey again all. Had a few minutes before practice so I thought I would stop by and say Hi.

Katara: ElfQuest it is. Cant wait for the movie.

Where did you people here that Willow is going Lesbian? Not that I have an opinion one way or the other (yet), but I am curious about where this is comming from. And I happen to LIKE Evil Willow. She was funny. ANyway. On to fencing then a Sexual and Racial Harrasment Seminar (just because i got into a fight with one of my team mates who happens to be of a different 'race')
Well, gotta run
Peace all.
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 02:15:23 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Hello all,

I don't know if this is the place to ask this or not, but I find that people here have a great collection of all things Gargoyle, and I am looking for some assistance.

Recently, I returned home after living in Minnesota for the last couple of years. I went to watch my episodes of Gargoyles that I recorded during the original run of the series and found that my little sister had decided that she wanted to record her "Backstreet Boys" videos.

Of course, this didn't make sense because I had them under lock and key, and noone really knew what was in the safe that they were in. I asked her about it and she said that she had used them and couldn't find the show to re-record them for me. It wouldn't have mattered anyways because all of the replays of the show are cut up. Also, they don't show a couple of the episodes that I would think are important.

If anyone has a chance to record these for me, I will gladly pay for tapes, shipping, and some extra for the time it takes to do it. Please do me a favor and send me an e-mail if you can. My e-mail address should be listed at the bottom, and if not, it is puckthetrixter@hotmail.com

Thank you
Puck the Trixter - [puckthetrixter@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 12:00:51 PM
IP: 209.206.168.140

Hey!

I'd just like to coment on smething Anne said about the Scream movies...your right, it wont be as fun without Randy! I still wining every other min. after watching it with my friends a little half concious..."they killed Randy.....they couldnt have killed randy....why did the kill randy....."
Not to mention the whole Buffy thing is just fraking me out! They're just slowly getting rid of my fav characters from every series! Not only Randy, but then Oz and then Doyle (love the little scotish/irish accent, its so cute! Why did he have to save man kind?!?! Couldnt Angel do it and die?! Oh, wait, then they'de have to change the whole title and everything....) So what's next?! Are ther gonna get rid of Michael from Rosswell too?!?! And another question....why do I always go for the underdog?! Oh, well, nevermind that last question. I have vented my anger and I'm once more at "almost" peace with the world....Thanx for listening to my out burst! :P Bye for know!!!

*befor she goes, snaches Alex's chibi Brooklyn and runs out the door leaving a ransome note that reads: " If you ever want to see your precious chibi again you'll give me a grand total of 4 boxes of Powdered jell-o...strawberry flavoed....a bag of gummy bears and a pack or orange tic-tacs....oh yeah, and a red BMW convertible....Thank you and have a nice day! :P "*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Puerto Rico, Earth...I think... :P
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 11:50:23 AM
IP: 136.145.83.181

GARGOYLES FANDOM REUNION:

Time is running out to get your entries in our On-line Art Show!! The categories are: Canon Characters (the originals from the show), Fanfic Illustration, and Original Designs. We'd love to see new works created just for the Reunion but we also encourage artists to enter older works of art that may have started the fanart of Gargoyles Fandom!!

The Gargoyles Fandom Internet Reunion is the week of Feb. 20-26. We'll be having open chats, RPGs, and special events featuring members of the Gargoyles production staff!!

Hope to see you there!!
Spike
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 10:16:31 AM
IP: pppt09-59.ght.iadfw.net

*Warpmind enters, appearing to be rather stressed.*
Hi guys. A word of advice: for those of you who have adopted female chibis, keep an eye on them. Two chibis in pre-parental tension is STRESSFUL! Speaking of which, I've been expecting a baby poll before now... any bets? All in the name of entertainment, of course. (Wouldn't want any of you to lose big money on the wrong gender, would we?)

The Religion debate again: This stuff seems heated, so I'll be brief. What is it in mankind, that makes us choose what we believe in, and immediately dismiss all who believe otherwise as heretics? And what is it that makes us so certain that what we choose to believe in, be it blind fate, a Supreme Deity, or maybe the thirty-three million gods of Hinduism, is the truth? From where I'm standing, I would guess that the Divine Truth, if there is such a thing, is this: Follow Your Heart. If you believe you are being guarded by a specially-appointed deity, that's good for you. Maybe you are, what do I know? If you think that man is master of the omniverse, that's good for you. Maybe you're right. When you talk about religion, you should be aware of this: One person's Islam may be another person's Christianity. Or a third person's Buddhism. There are vast similarities in all religions, in fact, there are more similarities than differences. Think about it: which is more important? Living contented in your faith, somewhat at peace with the world, or living trying to enforce your faith on others, at odds with mankind for as long as you live? I'm not telling you to come to a conclusive answer, for all is relative. Just think about it...

*Whew* On to more lighthearted subjects...

Fire Storm: Oh, I guess I gotta see more Aaaah-nold movies. :) And as for the definition of humanoid... well, our dear gargs clearly qualify as humanoid, as would those dragon thingies in the Mortal Kombat games... pretty much anything that a head on the upper end of the body, the legs at the nether end, and stands upright. Add as many limbs as you like, my friend; if it stands upright, and doesn't look like an insect, it's most likely a humanoid. And don't make me question your genotype, here, eh? ;)

Anne: A perfectly understandable mistake. After all, it wouldn't be the first time someone mistook me, a fairly skinny, unshaven, black-clad (mostly, anyway) human for the blue gargoyle who is the current security chief of the most powerful space installation in the galaxy, right? ;)

Wilek: I dunno... chiblet sounds... like something that remains after an explosion...

Archwolf: Welcome, bud! Another speed reader, I see! I myself spent about a month going through the entire TGS series... all series, all seasons... this was before TGS DA started its second season, though. :) Such a sweet yoke, aye?

Christine: Not Mengle? Right. How about Nimdok, then? Sounds just about as intimidating, no? ;) Just a thought; the decision is, of course, all yours.

Gside: "The Saga Begins"? Someday later, he'll be Vader, but now he's a small fry? Oh, that one is good!

Bengali: A chibi is small cute, and, in some cases, quite furry. It is a mangafied, miniature cute little creature with a far too large head, and some pretty interesting personality quirks...

Well, gotta run.

See ya.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 06:45:46 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Bengali > What the Rev. did was wrong!
And he calls himself a man of God. He should have respect toward everyone regarless of their beliefs. (in fact, any decent person, wheather religious or not, should hold respect toward others)
You also asked what on earth was a Chibi... well, Robby answered this, I'll just re-post his post:
<<Robby said: And a Chibi is a super deformed and small version of a character, as seen in Japanese anime.>>

Hope all goes well for you, and don't worry about that little religios experience. (guess I know a certain Rev. who's going to hell... heehee,.... oh dear, I shouldn't have said that... that was nauthy.... does that mean I'M going to hell now???? )

Wilek Nereus > *wide eyes w/ excitment* Chibi Brooklyn isn't taken?!?!?!
May I have it plz!!! :)
*jumps up and down while singing: I'm gonna have Chibi Brooklyn, I'm gonna have Chibi Brooklyn....*

Oh god... I DO hope no one else has it already.... if anyone does, please tell me before I continue w/ this little party of mine :P

Ja ne! :)





Alex Destine - [alex_destine]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 06:30:28 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

Hi all!!

jenna:Godspeed!,come back to us soon! :(

Fire Storm:<<I am sure that black market TriOp equiptment is available, so I am sure that a Psi Amp could be obtained somehow.>>Hmm,Interseting,what if the black market psi amps were of inferior quality(Bought cheap) than the Tri op psi amps,could they drive a phycic who uses the insane,what about the upgrade units are they government run or can they be controlled by independant companies(or the underground as well) <<ALL games should be this quality.>>Amen to that!:) <<More than you will be able to clean with that little shovel.>>LOL!! <<Ya gotta love proximity grenades!>> True,but I didn't have the grenade launcher the first time I went through the game :( (Incendiaries really toast them good)

Pistoff:<<Thanks for your support. They've offered to transfer me to the North Bend Pizza Hut, which is three miles away from where I live...but honestly, I'll be looking for something else. More than five years in this job is plenty for me. ;)>>Don't blame you bud!,BTW got any customer revenge plans in motion yet >;)

Aaron:<<I had to ditch the pimpwear. These furbys started following me around. ;)>>*ROTFL*:)

Robby:<<Incidentally, Australia's national adjective is "B@st@rd". The routine in the song went something like... :Phrases like "Hello you old b@st@rd, what are you drinking" or "That lucky b@st@rd" are quite common. You can refer to yourself as a bit of a b@st@rd, and the term will be accepted. However, anyone referred to as "That b@st@rd" is a proper b@st@rd and should be avoided at all costs.>>*Sniffs*Your making me feel homesick.....wait a minute,I am home!! :)

jewel:<<Final Fantasy fans--FF8 is out for PC. I saw it today at MediaPlay, for $37.>>Alright!!!:)(Won't be long before it reaches Australia! :)

Anne:<<Heh, sorry if I seem demanding. But that editor...he or she's just...just horrible...for doing this...killing an episode that teaches morality is just plain...horrible...>>No need to apologise,we'll get round to it eventually,Fleur wants me to Joyride this particularly scummy journalist and I'm waiting for her to remember his name(Mabye we can Joyride both these guys at once hmmm*Evil thoughts start generating*>:))

Archwolf:Welcome!*Shuts and bolts the door*Do stay a while :)

Christine:<<have I mentioned how I love those guys at SJ Games? Yesterday the Raptors article accepted, today I got word that two of my submissions for GURPS Villains have also been accepted! Woo!>>Congratulations! :)

C'yas later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 06:26:48 AM
IP: exip-t-005-p-206-143.tmns.net.au

Everyone>I would like to make another apology. Everything that was said against me, though not true, was richly deserved. Everything I said was rude, aroggant, obnoxious, stupid, bull-headed, etc, etc, etc...I was in a rotten mood when I made those stupid posts and I should not have said them. I am not against people of any religion and I have no "blanket hatred". The reason I was in a rotten mood was because that on sunday I went to a church a few blocks from where I live to look for a friend that goes there, I hadnt seen her in several days and had been trying to find her and was worried, she hadnt responded to any of my calls and when I went to her house and knocked nobody answered. The people were leaving when I arrived and I asked the Rev. if he had seen her, He said no and said that he had never seen me at church before and asked what church I went to. I said that I dont go to church, that Im an atheist. He proceeded to bawl me out in front of all these people saying that I shouldnt be there, that I was going to go to hell, that I was a Satanist, yadda, yadda, yadda. I wanted to tell him off right then and there but to tell off a Rev.,in church, in front of all those people would not look very good so I kept my mouth shut and left. Even so that gave me no excuse to say what I did, I would never say those kinds of things EVER to ANYONE. Those are NOT my opinions and I am friends with many people of many different religions. Everything I said here were things I had wanted to say to that Rev. but I said them in the wrong place at the wrong time.Tim P, my comments were not informed or good statements, they were dumb, foolish and is anyone here was being an idiot it was me. I'm sorry to anyone I offended. I know a lot of you are probably thinking "she's lying!, hang her!, hang her!" and probably hate my guts now, but please dont, I respect other peoples beliefs even If I do not agree with them, My statements were the least intelligent ones I could have chosen to say. And so, to make a long post short {okay so it was already a long post}, I throw myself on the mercy of the court!

By the way, what exactly is a chibi?, when I first came here I was told to choose a chibi, what on earth is a chibi?.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 03:02:48 AM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

****BEGIN RP!!!****
"So if worse comes to worse, you'll just crack open that virus and let yourself die in order to save the world?" Jaden says to Fleur almost disbelievingly. "You know most people would consider that suicidal and just plain stupid...I knew there was something I liked about you.
****END RP!!!****

Fleur-fluke of genetics- I've spent some time thinking about this. I doubt that there is only one reason for family fights. Maybe after living with the same people for a long time people just don't want to deal with them anymore. Or it could be that if family members have different views and opinions they just end up repeling each other. Perhaps there is a "dirt" gene.

Fire Storm-Why say any of that stuff? Killing family members is only a 15 dollar fine in this crazy state. :P

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 02:31:43 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Challenge of the week: If you downloaded the last mp3, download this one, put them both in a playlist, set your player to random play, and try to guess which song it is in under 3 seconds.
Yes, this week, we have The Saga Begins by Weird Al Yankovic.

Random question (inspired by "also not learn no more"; sorry Toku): Is the source of the majority of double negatives provided by "intelegencia" because of quick editing (saying one thing, changing it around and forgetting about a "not")?

Anne> <<I think I'll donate a bunch of money to the church or for others, and whatever's left over I'll invest for myself>>: I truly admire your generosity and strength. I am not sure I would think of doing that, or if I would actually do it.
<<I didn't really plagerize (sp?) from other stories>>: The good borrow, the truly great steal. Many works of art have been directly derived from previous ones. One that comes to mind is "A Thousand Acres" by Jane Smiley which is a transformation of King Lear. Also there is a collection of poems called "Transformations" by Anne Sexton which places the Grimm fairy tales in a feministic point of view.
Famous relations: Oh yeah, well according to family lore (completely worthless), I am distantly related to the Pope. :)
Family names: Both my brother and I got our middle names from our grandfathers' first names. Hmm... they went with the paternal side first...

Fire Storm> "Modernisms" in DA: I think the only problem with that would be if they were uesd in speech (can't remember whether your examples were or not, and don't feel like looking), since the series is designed to be read and understood by a modern audience, and comprehend madern sayings more readily.

Wilek> <<[airplanes] are nothing but large masses of design flaws>>: Hey! I am lining with two mechanical engineers, one of which is probably going into aerospace.
Far Side (I should know, my name only differs by one letter): It was definately Gary Larson.

Is it just me, or does do the chibis seem to confuse every newcomer or returner?
And does someone have c. Sevarious, or did Warpmind just hire him for the tests?

Elisa> <<yer wierd dude>>: Thank you very much. Though it has become a running joke/common occurrance among my suitemates to talk in such an accent. It started last year with another suitemate (he has no accent himself, but enjoys using it in mockery), and it does not help that half of our professors and TAs really do sound like that.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 02:29:22 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Okay, post resumes. :)

Jack of All Trades: Didn't catch it last weekend, had to do something else. Hope to watch it this one, and that it's good.

Willow's Lesbian Affair: When I first heard about this, I was miffed as most of you are about it. I'm still a little worried about it, since IMO it wouldn't really suit the character too well (of course I could be wrong, it's Whedon's character, not mine, we'll have to wait and see). I am thinking, though, that as long as they don't give the issue the Ellen treatment (ie dwell too much on it) and don't have it work out negatively (ie make Tara a bad witch or something like that) it should work out fine. As Skippy said, seeing Alyson Hannigan doing the acting related to it should be worth the possible bad stuff. Whedon's writing should also make things enjoyable. :) Another thing that makes this easier to take is that I've heard worse rumors about what's going to happen in Buffy. Example- in the next Angel Crossover, Angel and Riley fight over Buffy, and at the end of it she picks Riley and tells Angel she never wants to see him again. I REALLY hope they don't do that. <sigh> Regardless, I'm looking forward to what happens in the show next week and ahead. :)

SJ: <reads family-related post and frowns> Oh great. There goes the good mood I was trying to cultivate despite all the stuff going on in my life. <sighs> Friend, I don't know what to say to you about this. I've felt the same way about my family before, yes, and I've responded to it in the same way you seem to be, i.e.- I ran away and tried to estrange myself from them. <grimace> As you know, I eventually went back because I realized my family was good for me and I couldn't survive on my own efficiently at that time. Your situation is of course different, and since I really don't know much about it, I can't comment on it much. I will say, though, that for families to create anger and frustration amongst their members is not good and if there's no way for them to work things out and stop doing it (as my family eventually did with me), separation is probably the best course for the member who's victim to all the negative emotions they're causing to take. Therefore I wish you good luck on your chosen course and will be praying for you as you continue it. <salutes> Godspeed, my friend. :)

Jenna: Ack, you got laid off? <sighs, beginning to feel even worse> Your problems I can know about, I've been laid off myself in the past. Yeah, I wasn't in the same situation you're in now, but the problem of being laid off itself I have suffered. <sighs> Stormy's advice to you is the best I could give, I'll also be praying for you in this situation. May your next job be better and the time between it and now not be too hard. <Hugs>

Spacebabie: The weather's been pretty bad around here lately too. Rain in the cities, dryness in the surrounding farms and ranches, coldness everywhere. <sighs> It better improve soon or I'm going to go nuts.

Simon: Will miss you while you're gone. Hope the time between now and your return doesn't seem long, I look forward to the latter. You too will be in my prayers. :)

Anne: Thanks for the response, and the congratulations. Julia is a blessing to Ray and Anne, as she is to all her family. So far and mostly, anyway. :) I agree with you about Heaven, thanks for sharing your opinion of it too. Thanks most of all for brightening my mood a bit now, I needed it after making the above responses. <grin> Still feel bad about the situations responded to in them of course, hope they're soon resolved. <Re- Weird Relations Deal> You're related to Lincoln? Well, that isn't so bad. I think it could be considered an honor in some ways. <shrugs> And I've known people with stranger ancestors. Like a Jewish guy once who was somehow distantly related to both famed Jewish anti-Nazi scholar Hannah Arendt and Hitler's deputy party leader Martin Bormann on his mother's side. If that's not weirdo, I don't know what is. :) Good rant, I liked its resolution. Hope you're soon feeling better. I too am interested in hearing more about your parents' good jobs.

Todd: Thanks for reposting the voice list, I agree that all you listed would work well for the characters. The ones whose voices I've heard anyway. :)

Okay, that's all I have to say now. I think I should get a little sleep, maybe in the morning I'll feel better and a lot of the bad situations mentioned in here will have improved. I hope so anyway. :) Later all. <waves>

**MORE RP, WITH APOLOGIES TO DUMLAOX IF HE'S STILL LURKING IN HERE AND ANY FANS OF HIM FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS RP CHARACTERS HEREIN. HIS ABSENCE HAS UNFORTUNATELY CAUSED THEM TO BE WRITTEN OUT LIKE THIS. IF DX RETURNS, WE'LL OF COURSE LET HIM BRING THEM BACK SOMEHOW IF HE DESIRES SUCH, BUT FOR NOW...<SIGH>**

The RP screen clicks on again, this time showing a horrifying vista of the 332nd layer of the Abyss region of Hell, aka Gothmenes' domain and stronghold. The fire-haired gigantic evil-looking-gargoyle-type demon lord sits on a throne carved of moaning human skulls surrounded by fawning and suffering minions, smiling eagerly as he listens to a report given by a six-armed snake-demoness general standing before him. "Excellent, Kalistes," he nods as she finishes. "The atrocities in Iraq and those other countries you've mentioned are surely securing many souls for me to enjoy tormenting later. I particularly like how the United Nations is letting them go on and concentrating on issues they think are better for the world, thus securing that I and my fellow demons will get most of their souls as well. Ahhahahahahah!" "I am glad you are pleased, Great Lord," Kalistes bows, a petulant smirk on her lips. "Now if you'll excuse me, I must return to tending my children. The future is important for us demons, you know." "Yes, yes, go on," Gothmenes dismisses her, turning to his short wolf-headed and clawed horror type demon servant Quasit as she slithers off. "What is next on my agenda, worm?" "Your daughter has returned, Master," Quasit replies mechanically. "She has brought you enemies." "Excellent!" the demon lord declares. "Send her in!" His centaur-demon guards nod and open the fortress's forbidding doors, waving in a force of ugly-orangatuan-thing and moaning-fat-hunchback type demon foot soldiers led by a tall athletic woman in form-fitting leather armor with long hair white as snow, skin as black as the vaccum of space, eyes as red as hell's brightest fires, and a face crueler than any anyone in the CR has ever seen. "Father," she chuckles, drawing the serrated blade gleaming with darkest evil that hangs at her side and making a supplicant gesture. "Ithaine," Gothmenes acknowledges her. "Your mission was successful?" "Yes," she nods. "I captured the prisoners you asked about. That ruse in the Phillipines involving their families was perfect." "Good," Gothmenes laughs. "Go ahead, bring them in." Ithaine waves to her dretches (the fat moaning demon soldiers) and they pull forward a pair of young Asian-Americans dressed in black jumpsuits wearing chains on their limbs and angry looks on their faces. "They were difficult to capture," Gothmenes' daughter says, "but I managed." "So I see," her father nods. "It is good to have the two of you before me, your competition was intolerable while it remained." "You'll never get away with this, Gothmenes," DumlaoX retorts. "The Ravens will have to come here eventually, and they'll rescue us when they do!" T-Loco nods, her expression one of pure rage as well as fear. Gothmenes notes the look and smiles wryly. "We shall see how much suffering you can endure before that happens, fools! Take them away!" The dretches nod and lead their prisoners out, neither DX nor his sister making any reactions other than a slight struggle against their too-strong bonds. "Now you can hurt the ones you call the Ravens, Father," Ithaine chuckles as the doors close behind them. "The glory of evil can be furthered by this." "Yes it can," Gothmenes agrees. "Of course the Ravens don't worry me that much. They never have, even when they had that man's support. They're always so...foolish." He holds up one finger. "No, Ithaine, my plans for their planet are much more important. To the cause of evil, and to me. In fact, now that we have the one called DumlaoX in custody thanks to you and he is no longer supporting Earth's greatest warriors, it may be time to make our move. Quasit!" "Yes, master?" the bootlicker asks. "Contact the lesser members of my Tyrannical Circle," his master commands. "Synatia, Deavik, Valerian, and Cromwell too. We must meet on the Earth issue as soon as possible. Also make sure that human media mogul we demonized recently...what was his name?" "Ted Turner, Master." "Yes, Ted Turner. Make sure he attends, along with the other two prominent media figures we've demonized before him, and one or two of the politicians who we also have under our control. They should be instrumental in our world takeover, of America at least. And as you know, to conquer the Earth as it is today, America must first be defeated." "Yes master," Quasit agrees. "I will ensure it is done." He turns and walks off. "The bloodshed and spread of hatred will come soon?" Ithaine asks Gothmenes when he turns back to her. "Oh yes," the demon lord laughs. "Very soon. Sooner than anyone, that fool Thailog and the Ravens included, thinks." He continues to chuckle and Ithaine joins in as the screen goes blank.

**END THIS VERY DISTURBING AND FORESHADOWING RP**
Kitainia
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 01:39:45 AM
IP: pool-207-205-144-177.dlls.grid.net

Man, oh, man. I went home for my grandma's birthday party on Sunday, got and found out they were no longer having it. My family is actually fueding among themselves, sisters against parents and brother...this is greatly disturbing me, for my family has always gotten along famously in the past. To come home and wander unknowingly into this huge mess...oy vey. I have already stated to all involved that I am not choosing sides; this fued doesn't concern me at all, and to tell the truth, I think it's really over a very silly thing being blown out of proportion. Crossing my fingers and hoping they can get over this quickly and painlessly.

********Just saw _The Straight Story_ (No spoilers)*********
Saw this last week and was very impressed. Directed by David Lynch, of "Twin Peaks" and _Blue Velvet_ fame. The best way I can think to describe it is "quietly beautiful"...I'm not sure if everyone has heard of this movie, but it is based on the true story of a 73 year old man who drove across Iowa on a lawn mower to see his estranged brother. Richard Farnsworth played Straight and was wonderful in the role--though I have to admit, at times I wondered how much of Farnsworth's portrayal of the effects of old age were pure acting, and how much actual effects of age showing up in him. Anyhow, if you choose to see it, keep in mind that this is by no means typical Lynch fare: the pacing moves very slowly, allowing lingering shots of the countryside and its inhabitants, but I think it perfectly suits the subject. Let's face it, an old guy on a lawn mower ain't gonna be just trucking along.
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SJ > <<Well, Joss Whedon is now publicly stating that Willow will be involved in "A love that can't speak it's own name" (Bonus cookie to the person who can give me the movie that line came out of ;)>>

Actually, "the love that dare not speak its name" has been around since Victorian times as a euphamism for homosexuality. I'm curious to know what movie you are thinking of, though. ;)

<<She'll be involved in a relationship with her witch in training Tara. This...for some reason, this leaves me real oogey inside. As a male, this sort of appeals to me in the dirtiest way possible, but it just doesn't feel right. I mean, Willow....Willow is so damn cute and lovable. Bad Vampire Willow aside, I don't want cute, lovable Willow...doing those nasty things with another girl. >>

Uhm, I'm sure you didn't _mean_ for that to be offensive in any way. And I'm not trying to lecture. I'm just a little upset at your use of such phrases as "in the dirtiest way possible" and "doing those nasty things." It just seems to imply that it's wrong and dirty to love certain people in certain ways. From what I know about Joss Whedon, he will deal with this subject in a mature and sensative manner, and not just throw it in for tittilation, so I think it's unfair to make such negative generalizations. And "Willow is so damn cute and lovable"--how will this situation stop her from being cute and loveable? Trust me, she's not gonna magically transform into a ball-busting dyke. :)

Sorry, don't mean to seem like I'm picking on you; I just needed to address this.

Skippy> Right on! :) Come on, guys, it's probably best to wait and see how this whole thing is handled before deciding to stop watching the show, or decrying its "wrongness."
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 01:25:32 AM
IP: ctrts1-13.mrs.umn.edu

**RP HERE**

On the Avatar, Miriam and Tom rush into the hangar, the latter sweating heavily as he tries to keep up with the former. They stop short of Doug and Kit, who are crouched behind some boxes with Lathrop, Stephanie, and Keith. Most of the other Ravens are also hiding nearby, all watching Kari and SJ as they confront Dyspare. "I heard something about a demon in here...," Miriam begins. "Ssh!" Kit hisses. "Yeah, there's a demon," she then whispers. "It's that ugly little black thing over there. We were about to jump out and kill it but it looked like it was gonna say something important so we're waiting to hear it." "Lathrop has a clairaudience spell up so we can get every word," Doug adds, "and I have a tape recorder." "This better be worth waiting for, Doug," Keith growls. "Don't worry," Doug assures him. "Hopefully we won't have to wait too much longer." He looks at Miriam. "You have troops on their way?" She shakes her head. "The staff are all very busy patching up our wounded and neuralyzing what's left of the enemy. We can not demand a demonic invasion right now, I fear." "We should be able to handle this," Kit assures Miriam. "This demon doesn't look like much of a problem." "You're forgetting it can gate in more," whispers Keith. "Then we'll kill them too," shrugs Stephanie. "By the way, where's Antonio? Wasn't he with you, Miriam?" She nods. "I neuralyzed him and sent him home." "You did what?" Kit's sister protests. "But I didn't even get to..." "Give it a rest, Steph," Kit rolls her eyes. "You never had a chance with him." "Yeah, I agree," Keith nods. "Besides, don't you have something going with someone else, like, uh, me?" "Yeah, but you're so boring," Stephanie says. "And so, uh, pessimistic." "Well, you're not much better," Keith retorts. "You're such a ditz most of the time, and..." "Guys!" Tom breaks in. "This isn't the time to fight! If that demon hears you..." "Yes, he's right," Lathrop agrees. "You both calm down. I think the demon's about to start explaining its presence. We would like to know what that explanation is, wouldn't we?" Doug nods and relays Lathrop's words to the others by radio. They then all quiet down and go back to their waiting positions, eager to hear what Dyspare will say. Some hope it will not take too long to get over with, as their trigger fingers are getting itchy.

**SOON THEY WILL HOPEFULLY BE SCRATCHED, BUT FOR NOW WE MUST END THIS RP :)**

Hi CR dwellers. <waves> Happy Feburary! Everyone feeling good about this month? <looks around> Okay, maybe not. I think some of you may have reasons not to be feeling good too. I know I can join your ranks, as some bad things are also happening to me this month. <sighs> I have two tests next week on the same day, one more the week after, and probably another soon after that. On top of this, my other class has just assigned me a big research paper due by the beginning of Spring Break! Yeah, I can handle it all, but the reminder that school can do all this to you is very...unsettling. :) On top of that, the only good job I was able to find this semester was at the Albertson's where I used to work. They were all too happy to take me back of course, and I liked the job during the summer I had it, but since I left the store some things about it have changed. The salaries are lower, for instance, and I'm getting a lot more strenuous work than I did before. :( There's also a new manager who's a lot less nice than Mr. Johnson (the one I worked under first time round) was, and I've recently had the feeling she hates me. Don't know why, but she does. <grimace> Oh well, I'll make the best of things, I guess. I need this job, and it's a good one even with the problems. I'll handle it, and all the school hassles, somehow. Of course, prayers from friends will always help. :)

Prison Being Soft: Yep, I agree with Green Baron and Firestorm about this too. I'll always remember this episode from the comic Doonesbury-
Duke: Well, Honey, bad news. I'm deeply in debt _again_, and I'm going to have to sell the house. I don't know where I'll go, probably Chicago. They have a nice jail there, if I do the right thing I can stay in there for quite a while, live out the rest of my life.
Honey: But sir, what will I do without you?
Duke: <shrugs> You can always get into jail too. No easier way to smooth out your life.
For some reason, after reading this, I was not laughing. :(

Joe: You're welcome, sorry we won't be coming. <sighs> Oh well, like Doug said, if you ever get a gig closer to Austin, we're there. I look forward to it, whenever the opportunity comes. :)

Kaioto: Good recent comments about philosophy and especially religion. I'm glad we can always count on the CR sage to defuse a possible flame war before it starts. :) (Yes, I have my own comments to Bengali later in this post, but they shouldn't trigger one...hopefully.) $ <I’d say resolving this, “Dog-pile on the nekkid guy” routine the Ravens are developing would be advisable … for their health and my character’s.> Don't forget, your character started this thing. We've only really responded to it in the way our characters would. In the end, I expect him to play as much of a role in resolving things as we and SJ do. :) $

Coyote: <reads post from Saturday, smiles> Isn't it great how love can easily erase small problems? Yeah, I know, big ones are another story, but it sometimes helps with those too. :) Hope your love stays good, friend. :) BTW, I too agree with Mara's assessment of skinny people. They do look bad naked. Of course, fat people can be awful too. Give me a good healthy robust person like you or Doug any day. <grin>

Samira: You're not taking up space! We always welcome newcomers! Come back soon, okay? :)

Welcome to Archwolf and any other newcomers we've had recently, I hope you all like it here (most of you look like you'll fit in :). Mandi, Lawrence Stone, Questioner (whoever you really are), welcome back!

Christina Ricci: I like her too. Claire Danes will always be my favorite young female actress, and Natalie Portman second, but Christina's a very close third. Have seen most of her movies and enjoyed them (the Addams Family ones are the only two that I didn't like that come to mind right now) and I agree that she would make a great Morrigan (or would have, if the Morrigan's dead, TGS has not yet been clear on that <sigh>). Yeah, she's not the typical starlet either and that's a plus. I look forward to her next film. :)

Anime Picks: Vamp Hunter D, Princess Mononoke, Sailor Moon, and Pokemon are really the only animes I've seen outside of video games. They're all pretty good in their own way, though of course they do have their faults (many times the characters are too psycho in some way, or too stupid, and I've never been sure I like seeing blue hair on screen). Still the plots are usually excellent and inspiring, and that makes up for it. Hope more anime comes to these shores in the future, and is taken more seriously as time goes on (it's certainly worth it :).

SOROW: <grins> Hey, any town that has people like you and Joe living in it can't be all stinking, right? L My condolences on the recent school peer problems (good job handling the people who caused them btw, hope they someday writhe in agony knowing you're a more good, decent, and all around interesting person than they probably are :) and the job woes, I know all too well the feelings that can be caused by them. Good luck surviving them, I send you my prayers (same to Joe and Katara with theirs of course). And congrats on finding that rare lunchbox. (Give it to your kid if you have one and put it to good use okay?, remember the lessons of Toy Story 2. :)

Pistoff: I hear you on those computer woes, pal. My own computer has thankfully been good recently, but in the past and probably in the future...<sighs> Oh well, I'll be praying they soon end. Good luck resolving them. <Kills DC just in case it will help> Sorry to hear about your Pizza Hut closing, though I do also applaud you getting out of its bad effects on you. :) IMO, you'd make a great bouncer. Good luck getting that job or another good one when the time comes. :) Thanks for your response to the comments I made on your fanfic, I can see how they were misinterpreted and apologize for making it that way. I also agree with you about Japanese all being formal and proper being a bad stereotype, I don't like it either. I have never seen their game shows like you have, or much of their anime, but from what I've heard, you're right. Even though we don't like to acknowledge it at times, the Japanese do have their imperfections. :) IMO, the Ishimura Clan aren't really the type of people who would like the game show stuff, but hey, I could be wrong. Thanks again for the reply, I think I can drop my comments now that I understand Tsuki's character better and Sora's as well (sometimes you have to hear what the author intended to do in a story and then read it again with that in mind to see things the right way, that was the case here). Sorry if I offended you with my comments, I kinda got the idea from your response I may have. That was not my intention. <sigh> Thanks also for the stuff about Rockie and Ralphie, I understand their characters better now too and am looking forward to their development (for the record, I recognized the need for it in Rising Sun and liked the characters regardless. They remind me a lot of a couple of the Ravens, two who probably won't ever get together but are still good people nonetheless. The only part I didn't like was the joke Doug mentioned, but I get that joke now that you've made clear the reason for it and like Rocky's character better because of it. Thanks very much. :). Doug will give his own response to your comments later of course, for the record he's also sorry for any offense he caused you in them. Also glad you've acknowledged you're putting sex in your fics a bit too much, I've liked it most of the time but too much of a good thing is generally bad. <sigh> Keep up the good work in your fics, okay? I look forward to the next one. You'll also be in my prayers till the bad things in your life end and afterwards too. :)

Christine: <nods> I agree that Dr. Gustav would be excellent in a horror novel, look forward to the results of it being so (and your next book whenever it comes out, sorry to hear about the continuing rejections). Also glad to know Damien's coming along, I hope to soon be reading it.

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR DA**

Liked The Wedding, it had a very good plot that did a great job developing all the characters involved in interesting and entertaining ways, Goliath and Demona especially. Iago's bits were good too, I like how he's shaping up to be a good villain-in-the-shadows type. The Marcus and Asrial development was also interesting, I look forward to more of what results from it as time goes on (I agree with Firestorm that Asrial is growing up very well, and like it too). The pic we got was excellent, but it would have been nicer to get more, like maybe one of Goliath and Marcus when the former was not mad at him, and a few transplanted pics from Vows. The end of the episode was also a little abrupt and seemed just thrown in without warning, though it was good nonetheless. I look forward to next week's story and the developments it brings about. :) Overall, 9/10, great job once again TGS Staff! Hope you keep it going, especially when Timedancer begins. :)

**END SPOILERS FOR LATEST DA EP**

Skippy: Hmm, this Bob Larson deal sounds like a great idea. Heheheheheh. <sighs> Too bad Doug and I don't have cable, or we'd be happy to join in. Oh wait, our pal Gubio does. Maybe he gets Larson's show. <rubs hands together and grins evilly> If he does, we'll definitely be getting the Ravens together for it. At the very least, we can enjoy poking fun to each other at the depths of the idiot's lunacy (we enjoy doing that amongst ourselves, especially when the idiot is a religious wacko. Shap, Keith, and my sister are the ones who like it most, though Doug, me, and the rest of us freely indulge). Better tell our legal friend Jim to brush up on his knowledge of FCC regulations too, just in case. Thanks so much for the proposal. :)

Super Bowl: Well, my dad and my brother probably enjoyed it this year, but I know I didn't. Not that I watched it, of course, boycotting the Super Bowl is one way in which I'm like most women. Thankfully, I didn't miss much this year from what I've heard. :) On the plus side, Conan did an interesting skit concerning its halftime show tonight. L

Bengali: Good religious quotes, I have to say I agree with the viewpoints expressed in a few of them. :) Still, I'm not an athiest myself, I find too much good in belief in God and the parts of the Bible you didn't quote to have that happen. Yeah, I can understand why a lot of people wouldn't, but Jenan, Pistoff, and Kaioto've already addressed the issue of that viewpoint and its more worrisome implications better than I ever could, so I won't say more on it. I too accept your apology and am glad you gave it, intolerance is one thing we generally don't like in here (not to imply that you were giving some, but your post at the beginning of this week did kind of make it seem so). I have shared your questions about God many times in my life, and I've always come to the same answer- when I die, if I meet the guy, I'll ask them to him and see what he says. Till then, it's best not to think about it all and concentrate on the good. :) As for all the mistakes the Church has made...well, they are human, as are we all. Even if God's perfect (and he may or may not be so, I'm not going to make any statements as to my belief in that), we aren't. He made us this way, why he did so is beyond my capacity to understand, but the fact remains that it has motivated the instances of repression, violence, and support for such you've named time and again all throughout history. More than God has, IMO, a lot more. A lot of God's qualities are the way we perceive him, just as it is for many humans. Knowing this, I can excuse a lot of the complaints about God and Christianity I've heard you and atheists make. The Bible was also written by imperfect humans, and they may have put in a lot of the bad stuff. :( Yeah, I know that's no excuse for it being in there, but it's true. As Kaioto said, God has also changed over all time, and it's good for him to have given us free will and chosen imperfect people to be his heroes and all that. Not going to go into why, I'm sure you've heard it all before. I don't like parts of the Bible either, especially the submission of women deal and the cutting off a woman's hand if she grabs the wrong man's balls one (kicking them hard or stabbing them with a knife would be a lot more sensible and painful for the jerk), but I am usually able to ignore them because they no longer apply in these times IMO. All the other bad stuff you mentioned, like killing boys for calling a man baldhead, beating of slaves, etc. I also didn't like reading in the Bible, but I also think the perpetrators of it were eventually punished, and much of it was in there more because of human bias, not God's actual wishes (at least not these days). Cutting open pregnant women I have a different view on, I don't remember that reference from the Bible (don't worry, I trust it's probably there). If you mean Ceasarean sections, I'm personally all for them since they've saved so many mothers' and children's lives, including my own. Not sure what I'd think if you mean something else. <sigh> The idea of having people burn in hell for eternity is also disliked by me, but I take heart in the fact that the people God is supposed to send there are also supposed to be the ones who deserve it and have denied any mercies he's offered (says that in the New Testament, read Kaioto's bits for more). I also think that faith can be a very good and powerful thing, even if it has created bad stuff in the past and can hold one back at times. Often I think the world would be a lot worse if we didn't have it, it certainly binds humans together well (yeah, I know, it often binds people to do bad things, but still... There's also a lot of bad-faith-motivated stuff in the Bible, that Psalm you mentioned is one bit IMO since David was talking about the enemies of God). In conclusion, religion is a mixed bag of good and bad, like everything in this world. I prefer to concentrate on the good things about it in my own religious experiences and mitigate and marginalize the bad as much as I can, it's obviously the other way around with you. :) Of course you have a right to your opinion, just as the rest of us do to ours. Glad you've remembered that, as well as the lessons in the first line you quoted, and thus remained welcome in the CR. :)

Am reaching load limit, so I must double post. Apologies, rest will come in a sec. :)
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 01:19:25 AM
IP: pool-207-205-144-177.dlls.grid.net

*referring to last week's comment*

g'side> yer wierd dude *chuckles* :D
Elisa
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 12:43:40 AM
IP: cdm-44-093.russ.tcac.net

Archwolf>...as a recent de-lurker myself, I give you greetings. As the old saying goes, "abandon all sanity, ye who enter here" or something like that. =p <<Well, Shade and Sweet water, all.>> Let me guess, ElfQuest?!


Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Wednesday, February 2, 2000 12:41:55 AM
IP: 98aaf396.ipt.aol.com

**sits up from where he was curled up on the couch, his arm around Mara as he rises, cuddling with her as he replies** Yes, it's saccharine, but it's worth it. :)

XenaTrek: Congrats on the SIGGRAPH board offer! Here's hoping it'll help ya network enough so you can make some good contacts. :)

Demona May: If ye see this ... or if Robby hasn't passed it along already ... Shauntell's e-mail is MariaDestine@aol.com.

Chibi Roll Call: The only chibi I have is Chibi-Elisa-chan ... and she's more Rosanna's than mine.

Mara-ko, re: Deathmatch: Yep, that was pretty much my assessment, too ... that Lina possessed by the Lord of Nightmares would basically mop the floor with Oberon. :)

Christine, re: rejections: Man, that really sucketh mightily, to borrow a phrase from Mara. Here's hopin' that you find someone to publish your work ... more than what's already coming to the public. :)

Jannie: Hey, I know how ya feel ... focusing on August. Every night I say a variation on the same thing (except obviously in my case it's "I will see Mara, I will see Mara ..." ;).

Useless flyaway trivia for the day: Cartoon Network aired the ReBoot episode "Game Over" this afternoon. Did anyone else notice the dig that Mainframe took at ABC in that episode? In case you don't know what I refer to ...

... the final battle with Enzo vs. Zaytan (when Enzo lost his eye), the setting for the match was called "Disnia." Just something I'd never noticed before ... ;)

**looks at Mara, still sleeping, and curls up with her again on the couch**

Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 11:55:58 PM
IP: zzz-209252248197.splitrock.net

Archwolf- "Shade and Sweetwater"? Does this mean we have another Elfquest fan in the room?

And a Chibi is a super deformed and small version of a character, as seen in Japanese anime.
Robby
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 11:40:39 PM
IP: spider-wl082.proxy.aol.com

Willow with a lesbian affair? *moans and puts face in hands* I *just* started watching the show this year and I love it... why must they ruin it? *whimpers*
(I didn't watch Ellen either)
When is this suppose to happen? this season?

Anne> tonight's episode was a rerun of the Halloween show.
Your dad got a $3 million commission from a bank for headhunting?? wow!
What does your mom do that she would earn $10 grand a week starting salary? Wow, again! I need to change professions! ;)

Wilek> *chuckles* thanks for the encouraging words concerning commercial jets ;D I'll increase the dosage of medication before getting on the plane now! *L* I just don't have the time to drive (18 hours) to Orlando. Our school usually starts back the first full week of August, so I have to get back on that Monday. =\ Most schools in the south start school the first half of August nowadays. So, if I want to attend, I *must* fly. *begins to become queazy* Focus, Jannie... I will see Denis, I will see Denis, I will see Denis.... ;)

*scoops up Chibi-Otto and Chibi-Purgie* Bedtime, chibis!

Chibi-Otto: "heh, as if we didn't know that?" *winks*
Chibi-Purgie: *giggles* did she say Bedtime?
Jannie
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 11:27:07 PM
IP: 168-171-196-119.academicplanet.com

Out of the mists comes out once a regular but know mostly a lucker

SPOLIES FOR THE NEW DA EP
Well done TGS very nice ep. Nice character devolamont on Goliath and Demona. That Iago can be such a jerk trying to make Goliath think that Demona was only being together with him because he was secound incommand. It was starting to work but after he and Demona talked it was over and he new that she loved him even if he was not the secound. So Hudson is temporarily removing Goliath from being secound I bet that makes Iago happy. Hope we find out next week who broke Asrials machine. So the crossover is finaly here!!!
Can't wait until the secound part but we already know what is mostly going to happen.
END SPOLIERS
Lawrence Stone - [craft_celtic@yahoo.com]
Chillicothe, Ohio, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 10:45:47 PM
IP: cacheflow.bright.net

Incidentally, since a number of people here've been discussing Christina Ricci (sp?), I thought that you might be interested in this little tidbit of information. Once, when we (the TGS staff) were, just for the fun of it, discussing who would have voiced the new cast members if TGS had been an actual animated series on television, Batya Levin nominated Ricci for the voice of Corbie McKenna/the Morrigan. I wonder what her discussers think of that bit, and how suited she would have been for the role.

Incidentally, we did work out just for the fun of it who we imagined voicing a lot of the characters we created for "Dark Ages", as follows:

Asrial: Jennifer Hale (I recall that she voiced Felicia Hardy on FOX's "Spiderman" series a few years ago).
Thersites: Eric Idle
Ajax: Michael York
Agamemnon: Leo McKern
Roland: Bruce Boxleitner (well, I'm not sure that I got the spelling right - but I meant the chap who played Sheridan on "Babylon 5").
Atalanta: Claudia Christian

Just thought that you'd be interested.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 10:41:12 PM
IP: 216.87.46.183.dialup-stl.primary.net

Willow's lesbian relationship> From what they have shown so far, I think it's going to work out pretty well. I can see Willow and Tara exploring this unique bond they have (both being magicly gifted)and developing their relationship in a more intimate way. I've always thought Allison Hannigan was the best actress on the show and I expect this storyline will prove that...

Firestorm> No, that's Gary Larson. Bob is a second rate huckster of a evangelist who has his own radio show and spouts off a mass of hipocritical drivel. He's also a burgenoning cult leader with a following based around exorcism. Yes, exorcism.
The Bob Larson Fan Club is a watchdog group that keeps tabs on Larson and has a lot of fun at his excpense, mostly prank calling his show and bringing up lots of his dirty little secrets (like his adulterous affairs with two of his staffers, his ghost written books, shady land deals and downright heretical preachings) We also protest his weekend rallies he holds in various cities. Anyway, since some other people here have mentioned Bobbo's name, I was looking for some assistence in staging some bit of mischief against him. All I need are some folks who live in an area where his show is broadcast to listen in for a week. He's notorious for not following FCC regs and I was looking to get some fire under his affiliates. If you think you can help, e-mail me...
Skippy The Klingon - [shakedwn@ultravision.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 10:32:53 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-45.ultravision.net

Pistoff > re: Demona -- allow me to clarify? What I was mentioning was a remark by someone else along the lines of "who cares that she's a genocidal psychotic maniac; she's got a great _body_ and that's all that matters!" (I'm paraphrasing here, I can't remember the exact wording). It initially wasn't referring to any specific version of Demona. It was just that beauty-excuses-anything bit. And I was by no means _serious_ about it, just making a point.

Fire Storm > yeah, the Vecna thing is Tim's fault; when he was still playing AD&D, Vecna was one of his favorite bad guys. I think it was that influence that led to Selbon from my book having a missing/magical eye and arm ; )

Warpmind > Mengele? I don't want it to be _that_ obvious!!!

Sabledrake > the February issue is now posted, though with one accidental omission of an article on Online Gaming by my first GM and mentor, Don. Hopefully, we'll get that fixed up late tonight.

Auction > thanks, everyone that took part! We'll be getting in touch soon to work out the details!

"Damien" update > I may finish tonight; expect to have it posted on Thursday or Friday. Awfully tempted to post some teasers in here ; )

Other news > have I mentioned how I love those guys at SJ Games? Yesterday the Raptors article accepted, today I got word that two of my submissions for GURPS Villains have also been accepted! Woo!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 10:28:11 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Well I just walked back from my class and after I got there I didn't feel so bad about bringing a slab of schingles and a part of a blown out tire for "Do Anything" We ended up using all the items in a still life (ACK BORING!) but it still was an...intresting composition. We had drawings and posters. A girl brought a stuffed animal and there was a bible with a buck knife going through it. (Heh, wonder what his comments would have been if I brought up that recent discussion) All in all not to shabby for a Tuesday.
Archwolf-Welcome to another place opposite of reality and please diposite your sanity next to mine as I was told. You may want to pick it up latter, but hey, why? It'll just weigh you down.
Christine-sorry about being rejected. Comming from a person who has had numerous pieces of writing and art turned down at only 19 I can give you this bit of advice: Shake your head at them and smile as you say, "Thank you very much." And when there not looking flip them the bird and loosen all the lug nuts on their car.
Oh, scratch that second part that was just a momentary laps of evil thought (Heh, Heh) Now if there is something I'm forgetting I apologise but I tend to forget what I'm doing after Drawing class.
To everyone else I'm just saying "HI" because I can.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
Denton, Tx
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 10:05:42 PM
IP: spider-th042.proxy.aol.com

Hi all,
Jenna>>I'm keeping your job situation in my prayers- hope the next one comes along soon, by the way- can you read this color or doesn't it work either?

RL has been hectic around here, and I've missed so much going on in the CR

Christine>>congrats on the article getting accepted

well off to get some more stuff done before bed, but here's a little humor for you (you really don't want to know how many of these are true.....
>>> YOU KNOW YOU"RE FROM IDAHO WHEN:

>>> The wind is faster than your truck
>>> Every other vehicle is a 4x4
>>> When the sun goes down you start looking for your coat
>>> In March your vehicle is 43% mud
>>> You leave your keys in the car and the next morning it's still there
>>> You hear the words "stream" or "brook" pronounced "crick"
>>> The elevation exceeds the population
>>> You've broken down on the highway and somebody stops to help you
>>> You can pay for six "Big Macs" with a personal check
>>> Your central heating system is fueled by large logs
>>> You can see the stars at night
>>> People drive 200 miles to shop in a real mall
>>> Your great grandmother is older than the courthouse
>>> You got a set of snow tires for Valentines Day
>>> More than half the meat in your freezer is elk
>>> The bumper jack in your pickup will lift a house
>>> Your back yard smells like sagebrush or various animals
>>> A girls' basketball game fills the gym
>>> You slept through the night unawakened by a siren
>>> A rodeo is more popular than a rock concert
>>> You can fish, golf, and go skiing all in the same day if you try hard enough

catch you'll later
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 10:02:56 PM
IP: twin57i.magiclink.com

*clears throat* Hello, my name is Archwolf, and I am a Gargoyles addict...
Anyway. Finally finished reading the TGS and Time Dancer series. Found them after i finished reading Mrs. Morgan's Fanfics, and have been reading almost non-stop since Jan 15th. Let me tell you, that made my 'Life' sorta full. Wake up, go to class, eat, read Gargoyles, Goto fencing practice, goto the bar, goto sleep, repeat 5 days a week, then throw in tournaments on the weekends...i had very little time to do my homework...which reminds me i have a calc exam tomorow....poo.
Been lookin in on the CR from the shadows for a day or so now, and I figured I would stop in and introduce myself.
Seems like there are lots of, um....interesting discussions. Religion. I want to believe in something, but I don't know about organized religions. Nuff said there.
I'm sorry to hear that so many people here have fallen on hard times, and I would like to add my support and condolences. Life will get better, and what does not kill us, only makes us stronger. Um, one quick question before I leave for that strange land known as 'Reality'. What in the WORLD is a Chibi? (yeah, I recognize the term from a TGS story, but still..)
Well, Shade and Sweet water, all.


Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 09:40:32 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Wilek: "Phantasmagoria: A Puzzle of the Flesh" by Sierra. Author Roberta Williams. I know of no other one.
(unless the one I have is the sqeuel.)
If so, I am sure that I can find a copy somewhere. I am REALLY good at finding stuff like that.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 09:31:31 PM
IP: t1-45.visitus.net

Christine> <<1 that was the first page of my query sent back with "no thanks" scribbled in the margin.>> O_o' Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...

Pistoff> <<**Pulls out a huge corkscrew and jams it into DC's head, then starts to turn it...slowly...sloooowwwwwwly. DC's head rotates three and a half times, then can't go any farther, and detaches with a wet crunching-tearing sound. Pistoff tosses the head into the air, then kicks it across the room.**>> Twisted. I like. >:) <<Hmm, speaking of football... *g* I'm proud to say that I in fact did NOT watch the Super Bowl, and didn't even know which teams were playing. I still don't. ;)>> <high-five> Same here, brother. ;D <<Remember the serial-killer trading cards that were such a big deal a few years ago?>> Those were real?!! O_O' I thought they were created for Addams Family Values...<<my characters' seeming fixation on sex probably stems from my own...um...well, what can I say except that I _still_ think about stuff like that as much as Otto does...>> It makes sense; I've heard that every writer incorporates something of himself in every character he writes for, whether of his own creation or another's.

Fleur> <<*L* Now I definately want one. *Pulls out net and prepares to go on chibi-hunt* What ones are taken? :)>> You can have Chibi-Me if you can keep him from killing you (or worse) in your sleep... [Chibi-Wilek cartwheels about the room, covered in blood and singing 'Manic Depresso'.]

Warpmind> <<Dude, I don't know if you can blame Thor... after all, Scandinavia is his old stomping grounds. I guess you have one of those Native American fey to blame...>> Ah. I must research this...<<What is a baby chibi called? Chiblet? Chibling? Am I happier not knowing?>> <L> I vote for Chiblet. :)

Alex> <<Someone mentioned someting about chibi gargoyles and I love them and I want to hug them and squeeze them until their little eyes pop out of their sockets!! :P>> You wouldn't happen to have a relative named Elmyra? ;) <<are there any left for little ol' me? :)>> um...I don't think anyone has laid claim to Chibi-Brooklyn or Gabriel (I could be wrong of course). :)

Jannie> <<I hate flying and it scares the jammers out of me. *shudders*>> You as well? I will never go on a commercial airliner. Those stupid things are nothing but large masses of design flaws...

Simon> <<all hell broke loose in my life. Maybe I should have stayed on the pills.... Regardless, I'm going to be more or less offline for the next little while. My page says 'til 15 Feb, but that's just a date for that. I'll be using email and that's about it for the next while... I need to get some sh*t straight. *weak smile*>> Ack...hope it manages to clear up soon...is it me, or is half the CR having a thoroughly bad week?

Fire Storm> <<They were simply defending themselves. Instead of throwing their feces at you, they throw Psi energy.>> Ah. Heh...I think I'd rather be hit with a fireball than...um... :P <<Yep. Bought it for $10 at a local computer show. Takes up 5 CD-ROMS.>> 5? Um...would your copy happen to be subtitled 'A Puzzle Of Flesh'? <<I am curious: Define "Humanoid." Just 2 arms and 2 legs, stands upright? What if that species had more than 2 arms? Or a third leg?>> It's kind of a loose definition. There's a species from the PC game Sanitarium that's rather gargish, except instead of wings they have a second set of arms. I'd consider those humanoid. <<Thats not the same guy that did Far Side, is it?>> I think that was Gary Larson.

Aaron> <<Anyone else who has a chibi, please sound off.>> May as well stake my claim before anyone else does. [Chibi-Alucard teleports into the room in a flash of light, followed by Chibi-Edea floating in among a cloud of violet mist, then Chibi-Vega leaping in through the skylight and landing right on Mr. Disconnect, who he proceeds to eviscerate with his claw.] Hehe.

Gside> <<<<Rainbow-coloured Ed>>: As long as I get to be "the Many Colored.">> I think I'll be 'Cheese Flavoured'. :P

Anne> <<I'm so happy you guys like Christina Ricci. The reason is because I made a list of voices for my fanfic characters just for fun and for the spirit of the show, and her voice is used as Lex's love. Um, you guys like her voice, right?>> All I've ever seen her in is the Addams Family movies, and she had a very kewl voice there. Very creepy and evil. >:)

Tim P> <<(Duh, gee... maybe they're supposed to fit on my nose?")>> Only if you're Pinocchio. :P
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 09:09:19 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Sorry for the re-post, but here is a page for the "sanity challanged"
Fire Storm
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 09:02:29 PM
IP: t1-45.visitus.net

<>WARNING! CONTAINS POSSIBLE DARK AGES SPOILERS!<>

Robby: Actually I have quite a bit of interest in Dark Ages. Truth be told, I look forward more to Dark Ages then I do the standard Gargoyles season. To me, the Dark Ages stories are one big flash back (And I understand that I am one of the few people who liked the flash backs in Pendragon). I almost always read the new story within 24 hours of it being posted, and I usually read them within a few minutes of it's posting.

I am just not that big at giving reviews. But since you asked for it...

I really do like how Asriel has been developed this season. She really seems to be growing up well, handling the whole Goliath situation well. It is too bad what happens to her (from what little we know), but hey, they can't all live happily ever after.

As for Marcus, I think that with the way he is acting now does have a deep impact on how he will react to the gargoyles later in life. (I bet there is little doubt that Marcus is the Magus, so I don't think I am really spoiling anything.) Seeing how Marcus reacts now is definately believeable when you think about how the Magus is later on. Both seem to hate gargoyles, although the Magus dosn't seem to fear them as much which is understandable when you think that he has more knowledge and has even mellowed a little in his life.

Goliath and Demona... Well... it all feels rushed. Goliath went from having feelings for Asriel to totally in love with Demona in 6 months! Although from what I can tell they are both in the pure love phase of their relationship, I don't think that they are yet at the point of knowing that they want to be with the other for life, as pointed out at the end of the wedding episode (from the telivised series.)

I am glad that the trio are shown a bit more this season, and that they are little trouble makers.

I like the way that Hudson and the blacksmith are pals. They seem to have quite a bit in common, and it would make sense that Hudson would have a little more contact with humans than most other people. I mean, one thing about being a leader is how you act with others, gargoyle or otherwise.

I understand that bad times and bad events make for interesting reading, but in every story there is a good time, there is a bad time also? For every wedding, there is a battle?

As far as the actual writing of the stories, I have few objections. The biggest objection I have is that there seems more and more use of modern terms in the stories. Take this most recent story for example: "the saccharine words" and "as if they’d been caught with their hands in the cookie jar."
Two very modern terms used to describe thing. Those would be fine if they were from a modern viewer, but these are thoughts from gargoyles in the dark ages. Refering to the young Broadway as a turquoise gargoyle is not a problem because a gargoyle is not saying their "turquoise brother," but is used as a description, not a thought.

Remember: I was raised so that if I can't say something good about something, I don't say anything.

Also remember: You asked for it.

Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings.

<>END POSSIBLE SPOILERS!<>

Chibi roll call: Hmm... well, mine aren't too cute or cuddly, but I have Chibi-xenomorph, Chibi-facehugger, and last but not least, Chibi-not appearing in this CR

Anne: < I think I'll donate a bunch of money to the church or for others, and whatever's left over I'll invest for myself. What do you guys think?>
If it would make you feel better, yes. But I don't think it will keep you happy. Perhaps for a little while, but then you will feel like you should keep doing it again and again. You seem like the type that would rather donate her time rather than material possesions. I am not saying anything grand like volenteering full time, but maybe just a few hours a week. That way you won't feel so bad because you and your family went from next to nothing to having it all.
And hey, if you really want to blow alot of money send it my way so I can get my business off the ground! :)
<My mom's middle name is Ann, my little sister's middle name is Anna, and if, in the future, I have a girl I'll probably give her the middle name after my mom or else Annie.>
Sounds like Mary in my family. Grandmother: Mary Ellen. Mother: Mary Linda. Sister: My dad said "you can name her anything you want, but her name is Sarah." Sarah Marie.
<Also, this is kinda strange, but Abraham Lincoln is one of my great great uncles or something like that. Weird, huh?>
Na. Not too wierd. If you look back just a few centuries, you will find that a good 75% of us in here are related to kings.

Gside: <we should give all the stupid people signs so we know who they are.>
Hmm... I have probally heard him.

Religious Discussion: I may not really beleive too much in God, but...
There may not be any evidence that God does exist, but is there evidence that God does NOT exist?

Gyre: <I need a good codename for a professional assassin for a Garg fanfic I'm planning.>
Lets see... other than the ones I am planning on using...
Slicer?
Deadeye?
Porter?
Knockdown?
The Raptor?
Death?
Sir?
Fred?
(Or, if it is a Gargoyle assasin:)
Archangel?
Black Death?
Death from above?

Tim P.: <Gives a whole new meaning to the term "rubber plant.">
Ever see Lethal Weapon 2?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 08:57:26 PM
IP: t1-45.visitus.net

Strange yet True: Earlier today I saw that one of the fake plants near the Student Health Services office had packages of condems paperclipped onto the leaves along with pamphlets describing how to use them (Duh, gee... maybe they're supposed to fit on my nose?").

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "rubber plant."
Tim P.
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 08:45:23 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Hi all! :)

I'm feeling much better, but I just took some Tylenol and I'm feeling kinda drowsy, but listening to my sister banging on pots and pans certainly keeps your ears ringing...

***Rant***
This is a GOOD rant, well, minus a few things. You all've been helping me in a lot of ways ever since I came to the CR, and honestly I think I needed it. For the last four years my family's been living poorly. Five years ago we built our house and it was great, in the beginning. My parents had enough money back then, but the problems started when Dad quit his job because his boss almost duped him into working sixteen hours. And that's when winter came, and we noticed that our porch is angled _very_ peculiarly when the snow falls. Like it's going to fall down if you take a step on it. Scary, huh? Well, the events that followed were harsher then what some kids could comprehend. But the thing is, I looked at it in gratefulness because we had a house, we had clothes, food, (and Gargoyles! :), etc., and what luxuries we could get we eventually got. I made friends that turned into brats and I made friends who still remain faithful. So, when Dad got this fantastic job working as a headhunter, he did it real well. The last two weeks my mom starts her own new job and she now gets paid ten thousand a week. And not only that, my dad got 3 million out of the bank yesterday. So what do we do? We spend 2 million on a new computer with DVD, pentium, get a scanner, a TV, a VCR, Nintendo 64, mom's hiring a decorator to take out the carpet and repair the walls and we're getting that porch fixed and extended along the exterior wall of the house. At the minute it felt really nice to be...I don't know how to put it...uh, "rich"? My mom took me shopping with a few friends, and they were showing me all these cute clothes. They eventually say "OH! Get Doccers! Those look soooooo cute!" So I get them. And I'm staring at them right now. Is this wrong? I feel like this is vanity, and I vowed that I would never do this (put myself before others), knowing the bad side of life. It gets me down ya know, but to see a kid who really wants something and can't get it even though they deserve it is really heart breaking. I just feel so confused right now. And then I get this cold while trudging through the snow going sledding with my little sister and get this fever (which is now gone--YEAH!). Anyway, I just feel frustrated and even more confused... A lot of this influence is from you guys, y'know my conscience is really getting to me and I don't know what to do. I think I'll donate a bunch of money to the church or for others, and whatever's left over I'll invest for myself. What do you guys think?
***End rant***

Cpt. Planet> Hehe, you guys might wanna kill me for this, but when I was really little, my cousins and I used to play that, along with "TMNT" and other cartoons. I know I know but I can't imagine what it would've been like growing up in the 70's and 80's, and then they got the dumby cartoons of the 90's--Cpt. Planet along with a few others were the only serious cartoons that didn't give me a headache. *Sigh* Also, I believe that influenced me somewhat in a future book I plan to publish in the future, involving seven kids who are destined to battle a very powerful demon trapped in a world not our own (you've probably heard this storyline a thousand times, but it's the first story I came up with that I didn't really plagerize (sp?) from other stories). So when I look at Cpt. Planet, he reminds me of those days when I could actually scream and holler and run and just be a kid around my parents. *g*

Kit> I take strength in knowing that my brother is happy in Heaven. It's very painful and enduring it has an effect on your morality and conscience. It's still difficult, but when you think about how happy it is "up there", you just feel...refreshed. I find comfort in your support and I hope nobody has to suffer this, especially you knowing that you two are close. Maybe that's why I clung to my boy cousins so much faster then my girl cousins?? Probably, but it can be looked upon a miracle in disguise since my boy cousins are always giving me first dibs on everything before my other girl cousins. :) <<Still is in many, even though he's married with a family now and lives far away (Lincoln, Nebraska to be exact; he and his wife (who inciddentally is also named Anne) have just recently given birth to a beautiful baby girl named Julia).>> Congratulations! *LOL* Well, actually, Anne is my middle name. My first name is Mallory, but I like to be known as Anne because...well, it's a long story. My mom's middle name is Ann, my little sister's middle name is Anna, and if, in the future, I have a girl I'll probably give her the middle name after my mom or else Annie. But at the time, I was debating if I should continue this "tradition", and typing up the name Anne seemed to settle this little decision, which I've decided to give a try. *g* Also, this is kinda strange, but Abraham Lincoln is one of my great great uncles or something like that. Weird, huh?

X-Men Movie> *blinks* Uh...who made those costumes? I have a feeling that this will be a regret. But remember people, that it just depends on how well these actors/actresses depict the movie and their characters! Oh boy...

***SPOILERS***
Scream Trilogy> I think I'm going to go just for the kicks. Frankly, I think the franchise died the minute Randy was killed off in Scream 2. Man, that guy was funny! I still swear that my heart leapt into my throat when I saw the killer pull him into the van. *remorseful sigh* Whoever wrote the Scream movies is considering to install a fourth film in about five years from now. O_o
***End***

T3> If Cameron isn't producing, directing, or writing this film, then I hope that they cancel this. It's a _real_ pity that Cameron will be remembered by "Titanic" rather then his Terminator films or "Aliens"....

Homeschooling> It's going well enough. I love walking into gas stores and the clerks stare at me--"What are you looking at?"--as I put some kind of treat on the table while my little sister runs down the aisles screaming for ice cream. :) Although I recommend to get the computer system-type of schooling and not getting the books because the computer system is much easier to control and you don't get hand cramps from having to write down so many things (typing is much easier IMO). :)

SOROW> I'm sorry you can't go to Austria. I know that a few days ago I was really excited about taking a two-day field trip to Chicago, but then my parents decided that they wanted to be ALONE for the trip. Just feeling this rejection must be small compared to what you're feeling. I'm really sorry. *hugs*

Hooker Furbies> Ye gadz! *L* I'm glad my sister didn't go exploring on here like she said she would! *LOL* Seriously, she doesn't know a thing about the CR other then what I read to her. So far there have been no mistakes...

Christine> Ohmigod...those jerks! Oh, that gets me so mad! I hope things brighten up soon. *hugs* Truly, the only things I'm really good at is writing, housework, and artwork. I think that's also why I like to be homeschooled, because everything I do involves me to stay home! ^_^

Pissy> Once again, thanks for your kind words. :) Hopefully I'll have the webpage up soon. I'm revising my second drafts of the fanfic, and I'm half-way done with the final draft for the Alien3 altered script. To make the altered script seem more real, I'm going to draw a few scenes from the script. One thing all "Aliens" fans will definitely see (and hopefully like) is a picture of Hicks swinging a standpipe into the Alien's side after It enters the infirmary to--well, you'll have to wait and see. *smiles* I've also drawn some pics for my fanfic--IMO, I draw gargoyles better then aliens. *L* The site will be up as soon as I finish getting the script done, which should be in three to four days from now. Also, I'm sorry you're having those bad days at work. I can't believe the nerve of some jerks/dopes. So, when's your next fic? I'm anticipating the conclusion to G2K (I also liked your other fic :), and that goes to Doug, Jenna, Warpmind, and TGS (though some aren't concluding, but I can't wait to read em anyway ^_^ ). BTW, when is your next fanfic coming up? (I might have missed it if you've told us before, and if you have I apologize). ^_^

Joyriders> Heh, sorry if I seem demanding. But that editor...he or she's just...just horrible...for doing this...killing an episode that teaches morality is just plain...horrible...

Christina Ricci> *L* Oh good, I'm so happy you guys like Christina Ricci. The reason is because I made a list of voices for my fanfic characters just for fun and for the spirit of the show, and her voice is used as Lex's love. Um, you guys like her voice, right?

Jenna> Oh, that is so awful! *hugs*

Reverand Attila> <<Take that money and invest it>> All ready on it! :)

Spacebabie> *Makes face at medicines* Yuck. The day they make medicine taste good is the day I faint from happiness (I've never fainted from happiness before). *g*

*Turns to Warpmind and Wilek* *Blinks* Um...oops? *Slaps forehead* D'oh! I'm so sorry! I really meant Warpmind, sorry. That fever was _really_ high, I guess...

Buffy> NOOOOOOOOOOO! Joss Whedon's gonna earn himself a good kick in the @$$ if he dare does that to Willow! NOOOOOOO! *sniffles* Nononoooo...

CHIBI ROLL CALL> Well, I have chibi-Claw and I was thinking about getting another chibi, though Claw seems pretty content by himself at the moment... (BTW, thanks Gside! :)

Um...is this Buffy episode new??

Well, more later. Bye! :)
Anne
MN, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 08:23:13 PM
IP: 204-246-241-160.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Wilek::COOL... 8) I really should start watching this... > Get the subtitled version and you'll never regret a penny.

<<"New Orleans, huh! It's time I went to New Orleans and had the time of my life with him for the rest of my life. Someone need s awhoel lot of loving from Love." >> Attila recieves my award for best line in an RP. Go share it with Tommy.

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Aaron:: >>Later.

As Aaron leaves, a short, shadowy figure sits in the rafters of the CR, pondering his next move. (Hah, you thought I'd abandoned this thread, didn't you?)

He looks at the rope next to it, down at his target, and wonders whether this is too cartoony. Then he takes another look at Hyena-chan and figures "Screw it." He cuts the rope with one swipe of his hand and sends a chibi-sized anvil hurtling downward toward the unsuspecting Xellos-kun.

(Mara, are Mazoku Demon Lords vulnerable to iron?) <<

No. Mazoku Demon Lords take a bitch of a long time to die. Xel's survived major injures (have his torso blown away) with nary a scratch later... resilient fellow. Speaking of which

*watches Xelloss-kun, dressed to the nine in esquiste tails, walk across the floor of the CR, carrying the chibi-sized anvil, dropping at Chibi-Squall's feet, he bows to him curtly then walks to Hyena chan, sweeping her up in a passionate kiss that rivals even one of Ling's kisses.*

Heh... this rivalry should be interesting... ::gets popcorn and starts rooting for her Chibi::

COYOTESAMA:: >Aaron: Uhmm ... I think I can answer that question ... if I'm not mistaken, Mazoku Demon Lords are unaffected by iron ... but they *are* susceptible to utterly *obscene* levels of magic power ...<< You think Squall's got something to rival a Giga Slave? Cuz if not... well...

<< which brings up an interesting Deathmatch faceoff for ya:
Oberon vs. the Lord of Nightmares ... who's the last magic being standing? (Assuming the LoN is possessing Lina at the time ...) >>

Let's see, Oberon is a very strong fae.. Lord of Nightmare's is the sole source of chaos (arguablly) the origin of all destruction (leastwise in her own universe) L-sama, definitely.

**settles on the nearby couch** yeah ... long day ... **sigh** time to relax ... **keels over, curling up in a warm, comfy sleeping position**

::cuddles up with Don, being unbearably cute to the CR::
Mara Cordova
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 08:08:29 PM
IP: spider-wm065.proxy.aol.com

Chibi-Rollcall: I snagged Chibi-Lexington for Lexy a long time ago. The little green guy still follows her to school every day. ^_^

Ed, to address you comments about infinity paradoxes and such.

The practical applications of infinity are confusing and beyond human current comprehension. Even now we struggle against our ignorance, clawing tooth and nail to grasp the ~ beginning ~ of what infinite truly means in terms of reality. The closest we have come to working with infinity is in mathematics, where any number divided by infinity is equal to zero. We, however, have severe problems defining infinity divided by infinity, as neither numerator nor denominator function as finite numbers properly.

To examine the definition of omnipotent for a moment:
How can one be all-powerful if one lacks the ability to limit one's power? If one can do ~ anything ~ one should be able to do something to impair one's self. Hard concept? That's infinity for you.

Don't meddle with infinity; it is beyond your ability to quantify, thusly beyond your ability to fully control, thusly beyond your ability to apply properly to reality.

Theory is one thing, real application is another. Sometimes things aren't false, they are just too difficult for some of us to accept or to apply.

Time. Time is again something that is beyond human ability to manipulate. While theories are many and entertaining, application is much more difficult. Human beings have lived in only a miniscule fraction of the possibly infinite vastness of time. We have the ability to observe time in a strictly linear fashion.

We have very little to base our time theory upon, and less for our application. Generally accepted perceptions of time, temporal mechanics, and relative time are accept, not because they are proven true, but because they WORK the best when we need them to.

Logic and practicality are too different things.

Just because a person is practical in action does not mean he or she is exercising logic.

One the same coin, a person who is exercising logic will not necessarily be practical.


Next, I want to take a philosophy moment and discuss logic in relationship with the existence of God.

When things are logical, our premises are true and they force us into our conclusions due to direct relation/relevance.

Eg.
(Premise) If A then B
(Premise) If B then C
Conclusion: If A then C

Now, let us examine this theory "God does not exist" in a simple logic construct.

The foremost premise proposed in this forum has been: There is no evidence that God exists.

However, logic dictates we must have a second premise to link the first to reach the conclusion.

The required premise (often implied instead of stated, showing faulty representation) is this:

"Things which can not be proven to exist by way of evidence do not exist."

So this is our construct:

(premise) Things which can not be proven to exist by way of evidence do not exist.
(premise) There is no evidence with which to prove the existence of God.
(conclusion) God does not exist.

Finally, a logical construction … but alas … we must first question the premises of this argument, or Socrates would roll over in his grave.

(Premise) Things which can not be proven to exist by way of evidence do not exist.

Um … I'll just have to come out and say this one. Bull. Proof is a human perception concept. People in 500BC could not prove that electrons existed, however, it is safe to assume that everyone here will accept that electrons existed back then, I presume?

Just because something can't be proven to exist in the here and now, does not mean it does not exist.

So the premise of "Things which can not be proven to exist by way of evidence do not exist." Is a fallacy.

Next up, just to stir the pot, is this one.

(Premise) There is no evidence of to prove God's existence.

Certainly, there are stories and accounts of various natures to profess encounters with the Divine. Not all the documents are accurate, and not all the testimonies are necessarily true.

Again, if you listen to those who have had religious experiences, many people have claimed to have encountered God's presence somewhere along their journeys. These experiences are, however, generally not the kind of thing one can share with another person or recreate.

It would be like trying to explain the color blue to a blind man.

Blue exists, but you'll never be able to show him.

All this evidence, however, people would like to refute. They are welcomed to. But realize that other people may indeed have access to evidence you yourself will ~ never ~ get the chance to. People generally don't like the idea that they are stuck being ignorant.

So the second premise is questionable.

With one blatant Fallacy as a premise, the entire thing topples, let alone that the other premise is very questionable.

Based upon pure logic, this argument against the existence of God is invalid, and provides zero points of support to anything derived from it.

The conclusion is NOT logical, nor should it be presented as such.


Also, it is very, very easy to poke holes in the dogma of various religions, as nothing man has made or managed is ever perfect. This does not mean that everything they believe in is suddenly invalid. Not even hypocrisy invalidates the truth value of something. A religion may profess things you find contradictory or incorrect, it does not mean you can throw the whole thing away out of hand.

Fundamentally, at the roots of ~ most ~ productive and beneficial religions, are the basic moral principles that society could not function without. These fundamental principles, beyond the mythology and mysticism, are principles almost all of us favor, and almost all of us recognize as vital for being able to function.

This is not to say that morality is relative to the cultural norm or majority, but that few of us would like to live in a world where most or all of us refused to accept basic principles like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

A Divine mandate in many ways helps explain why these principles are more than simple laws that the majority or individuals among us can choose to invalidate. They protect the minority and individual from the majority, and they protect all of us from the anarchy of ethical subjectivity. Certainly, part of the evolution of human civilization has grown out of these times where the best accounts of life tell us that a Deity or metaphysical force intervened to instruct and nurture humanity.

We fall into a grievous trap, however, when we presume that we have God/Allah/YHWH all figured out. We try to put that which Man does not have the capacity to fully comprehend into a nice little box we can manipulate and do with as we please.

Yes, this box is very convenient. It lets us feel nice and secure that we have the Almighty in our coat pocket, as it were. Nothing bad will ever happen to us if the God in our box is the kind that prevents bad things from happening to us. We are totally unaccountable for our actions if the God in the box determines everything in the universe before it happens.

It can also make us feel nice and secure after we decide that what we have in the box is inconsistent or false. Then we throw the box into the trash compactor and ~ poof ~ no more God to worry about judging or screwing us over. We also don't have to listen to or respect any beliefs based upon the existence of God, as he's now quite gone.

BOTH of these are lazy thinking, and they are excuses.

In my own findings, definitions, and opinions, God is way beyond human comprehension. Like objective morality, God is something we struggle with all of our capacity to reason, experience, and intuit, only to find out something new everyday. The concept that God Himself exists in dynamic terms is an alien one in Western culture, but it strikes me as being a very interesting and viable possibility.

In any sense, we as human beings are called upon to be dynamic creatures. As so, our concepts and understandings must constantly grow, or we stop growing … and die. Without questioning our beliefs and conclusions day by day, we close our minds and refuse to grow as people. The seductive lure of taking an absolute stance of knowing everything on a particular subject (like the existence of God) compels us to stop learning and gaining experience in relationship to that subject. In essence, to cease questioning is to choose ignorance.

To militantly take up either extreme strikes me as crippling one's ability to learn. If, on one side, you claim to know everything about the vastness of God, you will learn no more. If, on the other side, you claim to know the whole truth of God's existence (that he does not exist), you will also not learn no more.

This seems undesirable to me …

But then again, there is a LOT in the world that we can not cope with learning more and more about each day. I have noticed often that it is human nature to pick and choose what we learn about day to day … and that there are many things we choose to remain ignorant of. Repressed memories are a prime example of a human's disposition to become ignorant of that which we feel is too difficult to live with.

It is my own personal opinion that there is no plateau of to the steep mountains of knowledge and understanding where a human can stop to pat him/herself on the back.

The fall could be very costly.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 07:52:44 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. > you wrote: "CHIBI ROLL CALL - I have Chibi-Broadway, since someone got to Chibi-Elisa first (grins ruefully at Don)... "
You guys adopted chibi gargs?... that's so cute! ^_^
are there any left for little ol' me? :)

TGS comment: Well,... since people want to hear comments about the series... might as well, :P
I loved the last story from Dark Ages. (specially the ending)
Somehow I should've known, but I didn't. So the end was a surprise for me, but after reading it I went like "no duh!" :P
Nice work to all TGS crew. Hope to see TimeDancer soon! pretty plz! ^_^

later.... *hugs* :)
Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 07:36:35 PM
IP: proxy.coqui.net

Quick comment: Final Fantasy fans--FF8 is out for PC. I saw it today at MediaPlay, for $37.
jewel
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 06:49:40 PM
IP: 98afe36b.ipt.aol.com

STEPHEN - In light of the recent troubles that have befallen many of the regulars here (such as Jenna's losing her job - my condolences, Jenna, by the way), maybe the folks here just didn't feel like discussing TGS, feeling that this was the wrong time for it. Of course, that's just a guess.

ROBBY - Speaking of "Waltzing Matilda", when I went to school in England as a boy, I knew a kid in my school who had composed a filk of that song, in which a jolly bunyip (a mythical Australian water-monster) is sitting in a billybong singing "Who'll come to be eaten by me?"
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 06:42:58 PM
IP: 216.87.46.237.dialup-stl.primary.net

Fire Storm> Bill Engval: No idea what he looks like. Someone in my suite has a CD whis is about 99% memorized by various members of the suite. His big bit is that we should give all the stupid people signs so we know who they are.
Geneology: Amazing.
mp3: I hold no responsibility for the quality of the mp3s. Once I get a halfway decent file (you can tell what song it is, barely), I stop looking for better versions. Just about everyone else here is much more anal about their quality.
Queen: "Bismilah. He won't get the dew."

Aaron> Chibis: You missed a couple from what I remember. Anne has c. Claw, Coyote has c. Elisa and a full sized Rosanna, and Det. Stoff also has c. Octobrain.

Gyre> Assassin: If you want a literary allusion, try Tyrrel. In Richard III, Richard hired him to kill the young sons of Edward IV.

Ed> <<Rainbow-coloured Ed>>: As long as I get to be "the Many Colored."

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 06:41:16 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Fleur- I *KNEW* those lyrics were wrong... My own fault for not listening to the song in years. I used to have a tape full of Australian songs including four versions of Waltzing Matilda and Tie me Kangaroo Down Sport, as well as the Bobba Wabba Wedding, the Pub with no Beer, and the National Adjective among others... I loaned the tapes to a friend so he could get the Australian accent down for a school play... He never gave the tape back and then he moved... As a result, I haven't heard the tape in years.
(It still bothers me that when Australia FINALLY got a national anthem, it WASN'T Waltzing Matilda, seeing as how that had been the unnoficial one for quite some time...)

Incidentally, Australia's national adjective is "B@st@rd". The routine in the song went something like... :Phrases like "Hello you old b@st@rd, what are you drinking" or "That lucky b@st@rd" are quite common. You can refer to yourself as a bit of a b@st@rd, and the term will be accepted. However, anyone referred to as "That b@st@rd" is a proper b@st@rd and should be avoided at all costs.


Everyone having troubled times- It bothers me that so many of you are having problems that I can't even recall them all off the top of my head. My sympathies are there for ya all, and so is my shoulder if you need one to lean on.

Pokemon- Its hardly the root of all evil in AMerica today as some of you seem to suggest, though the show has lost some of its appeal 90 episodes in... Although the show is quite interesting in raw japanese...James with breasts isn't quite as disturbing in actual motion as it does in still photos. (SInce he makes it very obvious immediatley they're fake...)

Stephen- It is not against the CR rules to discuss religion, as long as its handled in a mature manner and no flame wars are started because of it. Which was the case for the most part, which is why I didn't come in and break it up.

As far as no one commenting on Dark Ages... I guess there's a reason the second season was held off for so long... There doesn't seem to be much interest... Just wait until TImedancer starts up again...

Ed- Rich orange happens to be my color. And almost ironically, the color you used in your previous post, Kentucky Bluegrass, is my old color.

Robby
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 05:50:13 PM
IP: spider-wl051.proxy.aol.com

Rich orange, eh? Let's have a look...

Stephen: You're right, in that the TGS stories should be a focus of this room. My non-appearance here of late is mainly because finding the time to read all the stories has been more difficult for me of late. When I do read them, I'll comment. I don't see why discussing religion should be against the CR rules though.
Rainbow-coloured Ed
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 05:34:48 PM
IP: webcachew08b.cache.pol.co.uk

CHIBI ROLL CALL - I have Chibi-Broadway, since someone got to Chibi-Elisa first (grins ruefully at Don)...

COMMENT - Not to sound like a gripe, but isn't it against the CR rules to discuss religion in here? I mean, TGS just posted a new episode but no one has commented on it yet... Come on, folks! A lot of hard work went into these stories! At least give us some feedback here.

CHRISTINE - Congrats on the article in Pyramid Magazine, and keep plugging on those agents!

And some news from my end of the publishing rat race: the editor for DragonLaugh Magazine is interested in reading my story "In the Bonekeep"... <prays> They're a quarterly electronic publication of humorous S&S fiction, so I'm hoping that they'll give me a break. Wish me luck! :)

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 05:25:29 PM
IP: m182.ieway.com

Aaron> Denis and I have Chibi-Otto and Chibi-Purgie =)
Jannie - [<--sign up for Garg2k fanfic newsletter!]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 05:09:44 PM
IP: 168-171-196-119.academicplanet.com

Well, I've watched "Day of The Jackal", and "The Jackal", and been inspired in a big way. I need a good codename for a professional assassin for a Garg fanfic I'm planning. Help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 04:27:49 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp42.fltg.net

Aaron wanders back in, having returned to his traditional look. I had to ditch the pimpwear. These furbys started following me around. ;)

Gside> Well, I have no idea who would win a cooking contest between Kenshin and the Iron Chef, but I think the judges would have a good time trying to decide. Just don't let Kenshin's girlfriend join in.

SOROW> This seems to be a terminally bad week. Hope yours, and everyone's gets better.

Coyote> Oh good. Since my intention is not to squash Xellos, (Though I can't say the same for the guy in the chibi-sized Darth Siddous robe) just to let him know he has a rival for Hyena-chan's affections.

Pistoff><<a bumper sticker that showed a Darwin fish getting suction from a Jesus fish>> Well, that sounds like a "Can't we all just get along!" plea to me, but then I'm twisted.

Fleur> Chibi Roll Call! Well, I've got chibi Hyena. Warpmind has chibi Maggie and Talon. Mara has chibi Demmie, Angela, and Xellos. Spacebabie has chibi Delilah. Pistoff has chibi Duke Nukem. Coyote has chibi Rosanna, along with some others, and that's about all I remember right now. Anyone else who has a chibi, please sound off.

Warpmind> Actually, I just noticed that the last time I told a real groaner either Wilek was the only one who caught it, or we just don't pummel people for that anymore.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 04:06:54 PM
IP: ppp-148.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

(*glances at the colours* What on Earth is Kentucky Bluegrass?!)

Fascinating discussions on religions. To be honest, I base my own atheism on the fact that religion seems so extreme.

There’s the standard ‘can God create a stone that he can’t lift’ question, but also: if God created time, then where did God come from? The only answer that makes sense was that God was always there. But in saying that, you’re agreeing that infinity for time is possible, and therefore it seems just as feasible that time was always there without the intervention of God. Or, time is cyclical, in which case a starting point is by definition impossible and it’s still infinity. Similarly, polarised good and evil don’t sit well with me.

I’m going to skip all this stuff about belief and the Bible because partly it looks rather sticky from here, and for me the argument isn’t relevant because I can’t even work out God, let alone what he has to say about anything. :)
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 04:02:04 PM
IP: webcacheh05a.cache.pol.co.uk

Simon: Ack! Sorry things are so bad. I know how it is, believe me. If you need to talk about it, we're all here for you. Send me an email any time. :)

Fluer, Xanathar: Thanks for your support. They've offered to transfer me to the North Bend Pizza Hut, which is three miles away from where I live...but honestly, I'll be looking for something else. More than five years in this job is plenty for me. ;) There are only a couple of places in town that I haven't applied at yet (most places I've applied at over and over, and been turned down over and over...burned a few bridges here, heh...)--the sex-toy store and a nightclub or two. Maybe I could be a bouncer. I seem to have the right look for it. *g* If I could work the day shift when very little is going on, that'd be fine with me. ;) But honestly, I'd almost rather be a jizz-mopper than work for Pizza Hut any longer....

Jessie: I just got your request for a description of Alan, and forwarded it to Denis. He created the character, so he would know more about what Alan looks like. I think it was mentioned in one of the installments of Injustice for All, but I don't remember for certain. I'll look it up when I have time. :)

Doug and Kit: I forgot to mention last night that my characters' seeming fixation on sex probably stems from my own...um...well, what can I say except that I _still_ think about stuff like that as much as Otto does...I'll probably grow up to be a dirty old man if my job doesn't kill me before I get canned. ;) Still, I agree that I should tone it down a bit...but sometimes it just gets out of control. I get particularly twitchy around Valentine's Day. But I'll tone it down in the future, as much as I can. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I hadn't really noticed it until I read your comments. :)

Christine: Just a quick clarification--I couldn't find your Jericho comment, and had to rely on my memory, which may be a bit spastic at the moment. I realized that "hoping for" wasn't the phrase you used. I believe it was something like "waiting for" the Demona fans to get a similar backlash, or something. Still, the gist of the comment is there. ;)

Well, the wind is blowing really hard here, and the power almost went off a while ago, so I'd better post this before anything goes wrong. I'll be back later... ;)

Ye gods, I actually managed to post two days in a row. O_O
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 02:58:18 PM
IP: cb5-107.transport.com

Coyote: <(which, incidentally, I just discovered used to be a golf course before it was refilled.)>
Is it just me or do we almost have as many golf courses per mile as California? (I can name about 5 within 10 miles of here)
<I believe it's "The Miracle of Flight"?>
"Miracle of Flight"? <Drool> Should be out around May.

Sevarius Jr:<Bruce Wayne tv series.>
Ick. If WB is involved, it will probally suck.
<He'll start off with 3 lifelines...">
Hmm... ya know, thats crazy enough to work!
<Hell, I'm sure Fox would broadcast it.>
Lets see... COPS... When Animals Go Bad... Na. I doubt it. Not enough Marti Gras women flashing the camera or Llamas biting people. Sorry! ;)
<I'm pretty interested in finding out just what's behind door number 314.>
Probally just a bunch of circles.
<Family>
Ick. Best luck and good wishes.

Revel:<Inkblot (Rorschach) tests>
Those are cool. Not only have I taken those tests, I made a few of them (as a gag).

Toku Kaioto: Legal Arguement
VERY well said and very well thought out. I like it!

Jaden: <Family>
Just remember: You are in California. You may be able to get away with killing your family as long as you:
A: Say that they abused you
B: Say that "you will not stop until the REAL killer is found"

Wilek: <Have they changed their minds about the DVD version?>
Nope.
<Last I heard, no Star Wars movie would be out on DVD 'for the forseeable future'... >
That "Foreseeable Future" is some time after Episode 3 is released. (Star Wars.com says that Lucas put that on the back burner and he is too busy (Screwing up the Star Wars movies) to concentrate on that.
<Hm...could it be done
to humans, without driving them out of their minds...?>
Possibly. Keep in mind, though, that those people could become VERY smart because of this, or something else could happen. The monkeys did not go insane. They were simply defending themselves. Instead of throwing their feces at you, they throw Psi energy.
<As a football athiest, I should be excused from this. ;D>
Oh, like I watch football either. I just said it to be the smartass self that I am.
<Hm...would you (or anyone else) happen to have the PC game Phantasmagoria...?>
Yep. Bought it for $10 at a local computer show. Takes up 5 CD-ROMS.

Gside: <the theory has been advanced that the higher up in a horror series a movie is, it becomes more and more like porn>
Friday the 13th part 18: Jason does Dallas
<Bill Engval is better>
I have probally seen him. What does he look like?
<HELLO, how much of that is accurate?>
Fully documented. Complete with birth and death records. It is the only way that the geneology commities would accept it.
<MP3>
When I downloaded the latest MP3, it sounded like it skipped alot.
<On a side note, we here loved the Mountain Dew Bohemian Raphsody add.>
And, as a Queen fan, I WANT TO SEE IT!

Katara: <do you know how hard it is to limp and favor one foot when both are in agony?>
All too well.

Xanathar: <True,but it seemed to me that the Military(Specifically Black Ops) controls the use of psi Amps>
I am sure that black market TriOp equiptment is available, so I am sure that a Psi Amp could be obtained somehow.
<I agree,there should be more games of this quality.>
ALL games should be this quality.
<So do YOU know how much cr@p a 150 monkeys make in a day?>
More than you will be able to clean with that little shovel.
<two side panels open up letting out a whole bunch of them*SHUDDER* >
Ya gotta love proximity grenades!

Warpmind: <Why are you reminded of the movie "Running Man"?>
In that movie (starring Arnold Schwartseneger <SP!>), criminals are brought onto a game show where they are thrown into a arena and have to fight their way out. Few make it past the first "champion," and people all over bet and wager on who will kill the con.
<Insert favorite brand of humanoid here>
I am curious: Define "Humanoid." Just 2 arms and 2 legs, stands upright? What if that species had more than 2 arms? Or a third leg?
<* "And it seems to me, you lived your life like a sandal in the wind, with a pebble in your sock, just when the storm set in..." *>
Well, I don't care what anyone else says, I like it!

Mara: <ever see a 40 year old woman who looks like a heroin addict naked?>
Ick?

Mandolin: <"Running With Scissors?">
YES! YES! YES! (Do you also have that .MOV file that is also on the CD?)

Skippy: <Bob Larson Fan Club>
Thats not the same guy that did Far Side, is it?

Jannie: <I posted the Furby hooker link for some levitity in the room. Geesh! >
Well, I liked it.

Christine: I think I FINALLY know where you got Vecna from! Dungons and Dragons, right? (I have been wondering where you got that for a VERY long time!)

jenna: Don't worry. You will find something better soon.

Religious Discussion: Ain't going there.

Jobs: Well, I was rejected for a job because my recuriter reccomended I say I wanted $33k a year. They would have accepted $29. SO WOULD I!

Fanfic Progress: I *FINALLY* got LM to sit down and help me proof my stories! Yeah! So I may actually be able to post one in the "Foreseeable Future!" ;)
Fire Storm - [Night-flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 02:23:20 PM
IP: t3-53.visitus.net

Two things. First, the religious debate: all I can say is Thank God I Missed It. I am in no mood this past month to discuss my opinions of The Bible, Jesus, and especially God.

Second: Remember I said I'd be back this week? That's before all hell broke loose in my life. Maybe I should have stayed on the pills.... Regardless, I'm going to be more or less offline for the next little while. My page says 'til 15 Feb, but that's just a date for that. I'll be using email and that's about it for the next while... I need to get some sh*t straight. *weak smile*

Email me if you'd like to talk or if you want a deluge of crying-on-your-shoulder... be warned, I will dump on ANYBODY right now. :-) TTYL.
Simon/Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 01:33:50 PM
IP: edtn001958.hs.telusplanet.net

Hay Ya guys!! I have a question.. Do you guy have Shauntell e-mail address?? I just lost hers because of the power out. My computer got messup and lost everybody e-mails address. But at least I found only some of them. whew... If you guy do have Shauntell's e-mail address I'll be thankfull.

Demona May - [realdemona@duesouth.net realdemona @yahoo.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 01:32:45 PM
IP: mica-12-17.northaugusta.sc.scescape.net

Hello all.

Religious Debate-- Wow. I don't think I'll comment on anything except that it seems like an interesting and hot topic. I'm a double Preacher's kid....(help me)... so topics about faith always come up around my family. I won't say anything because it seems like the discussion has gotten in control. Which is good.

My last 3 posts-----OH MY GOSH! I didn't realize it did that! I tried sending it and it didn't show up, so I tried twice before giving up! Whoops!

So anyway I've just came in to see what was happening. Tonight I'm going with a group of pals up to the state house for a public hearing....:P It lasts until 10:00 and I really need sleep. SLEEEEEEEEeeeeeppppppp.

AUGH! BELL WENT OFF BYE!
Anonymous
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 01:05:33 PM
IP: 209.198.65.194

Well let me start off by saying- thanks a Xanatos million to all of you who are helping with your kind words and thoughts and prayers. It means so much, and I cannot even begin to say thanks enough.


Next let me also say that the red color in the monitor here at home is not working- so Pist, SJ, Coyote- and anyone else who uses any shade of the color- I cannot see any of your comments- at least not here-- I have tried highlighting, but to no avail--so if there is something addressed to me in red, I can't read it. Sorry- just the way the monitor crumbles.


Third-- I will be offline for the next few days. We are in the process of changing phone companies, and so for a few days, there will be no phone here to speak off- perfect timing, huh? But we intend to stay busy here- the car is giving is lots of trouble, and had the good luck of dying on yesterday of all days. (Do I have a bad case of the jinxes of what? *L*) As this is our only source of reliable trasportation, this demands immediate attention. We have got it up and running, but not as well as it should be.

But I am not going to let this discourage me. I have an appointment to see a employment service for the next three days, and I will be working with them to find something- I'm scared, but I take a deep breath and hope for the courage to carry on-- so I'll be busy.


Now finally onto the relgious issue--

Bengali- I won't have the opportunity to say anymore on this topic, as my phone is going to be disconnected. So if there is anything I leave unresloved, there is little more I can do than to ask you to wait and be patient. I don't know when I will have the opportunity to get on line again...

I accept your apology, and all is forgiven. So don't worry about it.

Let me begin by saying that you are right to question. Let no one make you follow something blindly. Faith is choosing to believe when there is no physical evidence, when there is no logical explanation. And I have always believed that one should study the scriptures, and not be afraid to ask questions. Even the tough ones.

Much of the Old Testment is very bloodthirty. However, I look at it more as a History text, recording the deeds of men in that particular time. Men have been, and always will be flawed. It is possible for a man, who is chosen by God, to do some henious things. Case in Point- King David- who sent someone to the front lines to be killed, so he could have the man's woman as his own. He was punished for this, with the death of the child- a life for a life. But later, after he repented and paid the price he was accepted into Gods service. And he was blessed, his next child was Solomon.

the point I am trying to make is that even those humans chosen by God, are flawed. But God chooses them anyway, even knowing their short comings. That is just, who he is.

I think that is why the Old Testment inspires me so much.

AS your your Deutronomy quote regarding men's genitelia- the law was made because the ability to reproduce is sacred in the Christian, and Jewish text. Nothing must endanger it. There is also a section close to your quote that states if a man strikes a pregnant woman, so hard as to cause her to lose her child, the man was to be put to death. Again, the ability to reproduce was sacred, and to be protected, with a stiff penalty.

It may sound harsh by todays terms, but these were very diffrent times. And even today, people need for there to be consequences. If there were not consquences to anything, how long do you think it would be before the world dissolved into Chaos.

There are "darker" parts of the Bible- I agree, and I have always been one to advocate that these SHOULD be read, and SHOULD be talked about. Why, because ingnoring them is not going to make them go anywhere; and if the Bible is the text of God, then we should not censor it. Period.

And finally- there is a difference between the actions of God and Man. Remeber there is one reason why God is not directly in charge of this world--FREE WILL. If God wanted us to be mindless drones, he could have certianly made us so. And it would have been easier all around. But he gave us Free Will-- and Man chose to live without God, in efforts to be LIke God. When I look at various Governments of the world, I don't see them as the inventions of God. They are the devices of Man, and will always be. And Man is by nature flawed, so anything he creates is by it's own nature, Flawed. Man has created his own ills, his own evils, not God, yet blames God for them.

The Old Testment is very harsh sounding- why, well because it focues on a time when Salvaition was not an option. But Christ made it an option. In short, Man does not deserve to be forgiven, yet we are.

As for the issue of Faith- I believe Faith is a choice. We can choose to believe, or not to- that power is ours.

That's all I really have to say on this topic, I hope I didn't make anyone too uncomfortable, or drag on too long--

To everyone: take care of yourselves. Until I'm on line again, my love--Jenna


jenna
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 10:53:53 AM
IP: ppp-216-62-142-54.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

This religion debate seems to mercifully be winding down, but there was one question I had to pose to Bengali that I would really like to know the answer to--do these feelings of yours extend to ALL religions? Do you feel that, for example, the Muslim faith is ridiculous because they believe that Allah is the Creator and one true God? How about Hinduism, or Shintoism? Do you find all religion equally ridiculous, or is this just an issue with the Judeo-Christian faith?

And do you understand why your comments were met with the reaction they received? As a believer in God, I don't mind that you don't believe in God, cause I know I'm not bending your arm behind your back trying to convert you...and no one in here is as well...but your reaction, I felt (and others seemed to reiterate) was just pretty intense and sudden. There wasn't much provocation to explain the sudden "outburst" on your end.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 09:55:06 AM
IP: 164.106.134.5

*moment of silence for those lost loved ones on the airplane that crashed in California*

*sweatdrops* sure doesn't help with convincing me to get on an airplane to Orlando in August.... I hate flying and it scares the jammers out of me. *shudders* It's going to take from now until August for me to work up the nerve to get on the plane (well, and medication).
*remains focused* I will see Denis, I will see Denis, I will see Denis.... and meet everyone else from here that will be attending :)

XenaTrek> outstanding! thank you soooo very much!!! You're a real sweetie for doing this! *hugs*

Another shameless plug to encourage ya'll to sign up for the Garg2K newsletter =) C'mon ya'll... I worked hard setting up the listbot and I'm so computer retarded, so what would have been an easy feat for someone else, was twice as hard for me. *chuckles* Please??? *Jannie eyes*
Jannie - [<--sign up for Garg2K Newsletter]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 08:44:37 AM
IP: 196-110.c.esc4.net

Wilek Nereus > *hands in her sanity*
I don't recall ever needing it. :P

Someone mentioned someting about chibi gargoyles and I love them and I want to hug them and squeeze them until their little eyes pop out of their sockets!! :P

And I also have my own little chibi crew of little chibi gargoyles in my own little chibi comic book!! :)

*huggies* ^_^


Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 07:27:00 AM
IP: 136.145.83.241

Hi all!!

Wilek:<<ACK. Thanks for warning me about that; I'll have to watch for it if I ever get there (I'd made it to *just* before there when DC nuked my saved game). :) (Of course, it'll probably still scare me to death anyhow...)>>No problem bud :)

Religious debate:I ain't touching this one with a thirty foot pole!(I might catch something ;) )

SOROW:<<I'm happy to see you happy :)>>Thank you SOROW :)

Pistoff:<<I found out recently that my Pizza Hut will be permanently closed in three weeks, if not sooner.>>My condolences bud!!,Do you have any plans for a new job(Your always telling us what a hole in the ground Coos bay is and how hard it is to get a good job there :( )

Jaden:<<Look at it this way, maybe he'll chop off a piece of himself with a lightsaber; perhaps his head. :P>>*Snikkers*>;)

Fleur:<<Mischievious? That's a.. polite way of putting it. (Most people use 'Deranged' :))>>That too!!;)<<Actually, it's 'camped by a billabong', but that's close enough for me to adopt you as an unofficial Australian :).>>Yay!!,we need more Aussie Garg fans ;)

C'yas' later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 07:22:55 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

<Sigh>... capital punishment and now religion. How can a guy resist? (especially after three hours of a 'Theory of Algorithms' exam...)

Religion debate> There's also the case of Christian Gnosticism in the few first centuries. Their basic belief was that the Judaic god YHWH was infact an evil tyrant (called the Demiurge or Yaldabaoth), and that the Father that Jesus was referring to, referred to another, far superior deity, a deity which was never referred to in the Old Testament. According to their beliefs (which among other things valued knowledge above all else), the serpent in the garden of Eden was a benevolent liberator, as was Jesus Christ against YHWH's tyranny. (According to them the Satan that tempted Christ in the desert was in fact YHWH - proven by the fact that he seems to consider himself lord of *this* material world) Another of the Gnostics defining characteristics was their hatred for this material world, which they considered the inferior creation of an evil deity...

Were it not for that last sentence (and a couple of other weirdo beliefs) I think that Gnosticism would suit me... Like Bengali, I despise many of "God's" deeds in the Old Testament...

Jenna> That's an interesting statement. What religion do you come from? I think that most Christians would find your statement contradictory to their own beliefs - according to them Christ was not created at a specific point in time, but *born* before the Universe (or even Time itself) was created - and everything that occurred in the Old Testament he also witnessed and approved. (And most Christians would also consider god as unchangeable, not becoming more merciful as time goes by)...
The Questioner
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 05:27:07 AM
IP: pc-19.di.uoa.gr

*Warpmind returns from a different direction, seemingly in a hurry.*
Okay, time for a few more replies.

Bengali: Referring to religion as mumbo jumbo is considered treading on unsteady ground in here... are you, or have you ever been involved with the Communist Party? ;) And by the way... interesting quotes from the Bible you have there... does anyone beside me notice they are all from the Old Testament, and most likely made null by the New Testament?

Well, that should be about it for now. Just a little thought:

This weekend, when I was at Callahan's (Uh, the IRC channel, not the actual place in Spider Robinson's books), there was a suggestion for a planetwide political takeover, performed by several of us Callahanians. One of the suggestions was a Darwinism Enforcement Agency, designated to root out people with defective genes. (Not the Nazi-interpretation, but with actual medical genetic flaws.) "You! Out of the gene pool NOW!" *Blam* The scary thing is... even before the takeover plan was set in motion, the Darwinism Enforcement Agency had a number of about ten volunteers, and I think I know of at least three persons in here beside me, who would volunteer as well... kind of makes you wonder about the workings of the human mind, no?

Sleep well, friends, and if you hear some shooting in the neghbourhood... we're just adjusting the gene pool. ;)

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 04:59:49 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

*Warpmind walks in, a smug grin pasted on his face.*
Hi, friends. On Sunday night, I finished not one, but TWO episodes in my ongoing fanfic saga. It won't be long now before I pass Spike in number of episodes. ;) Of course, when it comes to length, she's parsecs ahead of me...

Bengali: Well, just between us, I'm not sure about those hooker furbies, myself. I think it was mentioned as a joke, though with the crazy bunch we are in here, you never can tell...

Christine: Gustav Richter? Somehow, that name doesn't sound as menacing as Sevarius... Not to tell you what to do (after all, you're the experienced one here), but maybe Gustav Mengle? It has that familiar ring to it, too... ;)

Wilek: Dude, I don't know if you can blame Thor... after all, Scandinavia is his old stomping grounds. I guess you have one of those Native American fey to blame...

Anne: Is there a small mix-up here? It was I who adopted Maggie. And then, after a few check-ups, found myself needed to adopt Talon as well, so as not to split the family... They haven't decided on a name yet, though. Which reminds me:

Mara: What is a baby chibi called? Chiblet? Chibling? Am I happier not knowing?

*Warpmind slinks over to Jenna with a steaming cup of something.*
Laid off, you say? Here's something ta help out; granny's cauliflower soup. Cheers ya up in no time. It'll get better.

Reverend Attila: Who said anything about Christine being a ULC minister? I don't think I did, that's for sure...

Aaron: So, you say I should thank Skippy for the acceptance of that lil' ol' song of mine? Right ho.

No more time to respond. I'll finish up later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 04:12:16 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

*RP HERE - IT'S A BIT OF A FLASHBACK (because I fell hopelessly behind, as usual :))*
"As much as I'd love to make you guess, I'm too tired to be mysterious," Fleur tells Jaden as they slash through the last of the groupies "Remember how my mother's people are a little pi$$ed at me for stealing these?" she asks him, using the blade and sword to remove two more groupies from the equation. When Jaden nods, she goes on "By now, it's safe to assume they know I'm on Earth, and the fact that they haven't arrived yet suggests that they're not going to be sending a small contigent to hunt me down. I know these people, and I think they're going to invade Earth."
"That's a bad thing, right?" Jaden asks.
"Only if they succeed. Which they won't. I made up a little virus that attacks specific sequences of their DNA, sequences that do not exist on any living creature from Earth. When I mix the contents of the small vial with the contents of the large vial, the virus is activated and airborne. They'll be dead within hours."
"Taking a leaf from Demona's book, are we?" Jaden asks. Fleur shrugs, but smiles "It was an idea with...merits."
By now, Leo has been blown away and the last of the groupies have given up. Walking over to the rest of the group, Jaden suddenly stops.
"Wait a minute. How do you know this works on that DNA sequence you were talking about?"
"Because I've tested it."
Sudden realisation dawns on Jaden's face.
"_You_ have that sequence too, don't you? What'll happen to you when you release the virus?"
"Like I said, it's a last resort." Fleur replies tightly.
*END RP*

Hi all!
*Looks at BBQ* Well, since this has been so popular, how 'bout I just push it into a corner and we can use it whenever anybody gets a craving for BBQ?

*Reads all the stories about people's cars being wreaked by mattresses, garlic, Laz-E-boys and racks of ribs and blinks* Unbelievable. That's all I'm going to say.

Wilek> >A small cute anime version of a (usually) fictional character; they also tend to have quirks and obsessions of their own (Chibi-Claw seems to be a pickpocket, Chibi-Demona loves bubble gum {if I remember correctly, Mara?}, and Chibi-Me seems to have pyromania and satyriasis).<*L* Now I definately want one. *Pulls out net and prepares to go on chibi-hunt* What ones are taken? :)

Gunjack> >AAAAAAAHHH!!! AAAAAAAHHH!!! AAAAAAAHHH!!! GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD!!!! AAAAAAAHHH!!!
Was that REALLY nescessarry? j/k... That's one of my sister's favorite songs and now I know EXACTLY what I'll be thinking whenever she sings it...:P< I'm sorry! Bad demons get into my head sometimes and really twist my sense of humor to new depths. If it makes you feel any better, I heard it the other night and just about had a seizure. :)

Xanathar> >Fleurs mischievious sense of humor strikes again*Chuckles*;)< Mischievious? That's a.. polite way of putting it. (Most people use 'Deranged' :))

Hello to all newcomers!!

Robby> >*Robby leaves, humming "Waltzing Matilda".
Once a jolly swagman,
walked on by the billybom... < Actually, it's 'camped by a billabong', but that's close enough for me to adopt you as an unofficial Australian :).

Joe> >Bath?MMMMmmmmmm.... you trying to tease all of us?< I'm begining to suspect you have a one track mind :P

Lady Mystic> >I know I probably won't get many responses from this, but I feel this is something that unites individuals whilst giving them their uniqueness. Does anyone else sense his or her own spark? (Or whatever you happen to call it?) Also, could you please describe your perceptions of it? < I don't know if this is what you mean, but for years now, I've had this slowly building feeling of what I _don't_ know. It sounds weird, but I can't ignore this part of me that feels like every human being, perhaps everything on Earth, has this incredible, massive potential that we're meant to fulfill, that there's something the human race is meant to become, and each of us has to play a part in that becoming. I realise I'm not explaining this very well, maybe because I'm not exactly sure what it is myself, but what you were saying about your spark reminds me of this feeling.

SJ> >The lion, the witch and the Wardrobe< A film company in England (I think it was the BBC) has already made live actions of half of the Narnia books. I remember seeing it and laughing at how unbelivably obvious it was that Aslan was two guys in a suit, so perhaps the 'stuart little' guy will improve it. As for the christian symbolism, IMO, it's not _really_ obvious until the last book, the one where Aslan does a Narnia version of 'Revelations'. (of course, I'm kinda dense - it took me until then to notice them. :))
And SJ, for what it's worth, I'm thinking of you and I hope whatever it is that's dropping your life down the toilet and flushing it improves, like, immediately. *HUGE HUGS* If you'd liked a shoulder, or want to vent, or need a distraction, let me know and I'll be happy to provide.

Jewel> I'm really sorry to hear about your mum. I hope she improves, or, failing that, your family opens their eyes enough to get her some help.

Jaden> Essh, everybody's having family trouble, aren't they? What is it that makes people think they can treat other people like dirt just because a fluke of genetics?

Jenna> *hugs* I'm so sorry to hear about you being laid off. I really, really hope you pick up another job very quickly, and I wish I could do more. The offer I made SJ stands for you too.

Pistoff> *hugs* Hold on, my friend. I'm sure the $*^!storm will pass soon. Again, if you need anything, let me know. When your Pizza Hut closes, will you be transfered to another one or will you be out of a job? (As much as I know you hate it there, and are glad to be out of there, I hope you won't end up unemployed along with Jenna)

TTFN!

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 03:07:43 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

****OK I KNOW I SAID THAT I'D DO AN RP WITH THIS POST BUT I'M SHORT ON TIME RIGHT NOW, SO SUE ME (PLEASE DON'T). ;)***

Boy, so many posts so little time.

Wilek><<That sounds awful...wish I could help in some way.>> Believe me everyone here helps. Good friends, emotional growth, intellectual conversations. Being able to come here is one of the best things that could ever have happened to me. Sometimes when I have problems with my family I remember an old saying, "You never know how truly special something is until you lose it." That's why I get so angry when I find other people, and sometimes myself, taking things for granted or wasting needless energy and time on things that will only cause pain later on.

Doug-Leo being considered for Anakin- Look at it this way, maybe he'll chop off a piece of himself with a lightsaber; perhaps his head. :P

jenna-laid off. Oh no. Don't worry I'm just you'll find an even better job in no time flat.

Doug again><<Good luck getting out and making them so>> Thanks sometimes I think that I'll need all the luck I can get.

Reverend Attila- Your right that is very sad.

Bengali- Well since it seems that everyone else has said something about this I guess I should too. I do believe that God exists, but since I'm in a hurry I'm not going to explain my personal beliefs in too much detail because this would be a very, very long post. I also believe in evolution and that humanity is continuing to evolve. As for the Bible, I don't think it should be taken literally. It was written from different points of view. This could end up being a very interesting conversation, but I have to go.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 02:45:32 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

First, my thanks to all who offered their support. There have been several moments when things got so bad that I actually thought I was gonna haul off and deck a few of my customers (no time to explain...but I'll add them to my Stupid Customers page as soon as I have time ;). But things are starting to ease up, now. I found out recently that my Pizza Hut will be permanently closed in three weeks, if not sooner. I won't shed any tears over it, and am in fact looking forward to my final day, when I can tell a few of those customers exactly what I think of them. :)

Well, I had my email working last night, then when I logged on this morning, it wouldn't open again. I finally downloaded a new email client from www.softseek.com, and it seems to be working, so far. The whole thing started when I upgraded Neoplanet to version 5.1--I should've just left it as-is, but an upgrade sounded like a good idea at the time. Well, I've learned my lesson.

Well, it seems like things have gotten interesting in here.... ;)

Bengali: The furby hooker thing Jannie put in here was a LINK. She didn't mention anything about it. Personally, I thought it was hilarious. Now, about the religion stuff.... If somebody else believes something that you consider foolish, how does that hurt you? Just remember that there are those who think your beliefs are just as foolish. Now, I'm an athiest, but I don't piss down people's throats about it. People can either believe in God or not, it doesn't affect me or my opinion of them. However, when somebody acts like an asshole, that DOES affect my opinion.

Think of it this way--have you seen those bumper stickers that show a Jesus fish eating a Darwin fish, with the words "Survival of the fittest" printed on it? That pisses you off, doesn't it? Now, a Jesus fish by itself is fine. A Darwin fish by itself is fine. But when somebody goes out of their way to insult the beliefs of others who happen to disagree...I'll be honest, this one really gets under my skin. Somebody who would parade around with this on their car...well, the same people would be angry if I had a bumper sticker that showed a Darwin fish getting suction from a Jesus fish--but a lot of people don't bother to consider the feelings of others before opening their mouths, right?

Anyway, Bengali, you're the opposite side of the Jesus/Darwin fish thing. Being so arrogant about your athiesm is just as offensive as the time a guy knocked on my door and handed me an Awake! magazine and proceeded to tell me that my beliefs were akin to committing criminal acts just because they're different from his. (And I'm not insulting Jehovah's Witnesses or anybody else...I'm just using something that actually happened to me as an example.) Believe what you want, but please allow everybody else the same courtesy.

Jenna: Oh no! *hugs* That's terrible! I hope you're able to find another job right away--and that something appropriately hideous happens to whoever did this to you.

Wilek: Thanks for resending the email...but it vanished again, when I installed the email client I downloaded this morning. It started when I upgraded to Neoplanet 5.1--uninstalling it and then reinstalling it seemed to clear it up...but it stopped working again. The one I'm using now is Pegasus Mail, and you can just set your Neoplanet email options to use this (or another) program. I'll put the link to it on my name, in case you're still having problems and want to take a look at this... :) And thanks for bundling DC up for me....

**Pulls out a huge corkscrew and jams it into DC's head, then starts to turn it...slowly...sloooowwwwwwly. DC's head rotates three and a half times, then can't go any farther, and detaches with a wet crunching-tearing sound. Pistoff tosses the head into the air, then kicks it across the room.**

When he regenerates, I think I'll have Boiler work him over for a while....

Hmm, speaking of football... *g* I'm proud to say that I in fact did NOT watch the Super Bowl, and didn't even know which teams were playing. I still don't. ;)

SJ: Oh man, that's terrible! Whatever happens, remember that we're here for you. I hope things work out, one way or another. And that Pokemon thing--yeah! I agree with you one hundred percent. :D

Anne: Ack! I hope you get well soon! As for the lack of Joyrides, I guess things have been really hectic for a lot of us. No time, and in my case, a lot of stuff landing on me and keeping me distracted. I'll be back into it as soon as possible, though. :)

Doug and Kit: Thanks for the detailed feedback. Some of it I partially agree with, and some I don't. I've had a lot of bad stuff happening recently, so this may appear to be a harsh or hostile reaction, but it's not intended that way. Still, Doug, you seemed to be in a rather bad mood yourself, particularly when offering your detailed critique...possibly you weren't, but that's the way it seemed to me. I apologize if I've misinterpereted this...

Anyway...Kitainia made it seem as if I had made ALL of the Ishimurans come off as if they were obsessed with sex (I admit I may have misinterpereted the comment, but this is the way it seemed to me). I only remember two Ishimurans who made a few sex-related comments--Sora and Tsuki. And Sora was shocked at her own actions/comments. *shrugs* As for Tsuki, Denis gave me the idea for the character (actually, he just gave me her name and relationship to Sora, and as I wrote Tsuki's dialogue, the character just evolved and created herself). Tsuki's sort of feisty and gets a kick out of shocking people now and then. As for their actions not being what Japanese gargoyles "should or would" do...one thing I've noticed is that a lot of people perceive Japanese people as being very formal and proper. That's a stereotype. I've seen clips of some of their game shows. The people on those shows are rather...well, f--ked up. ;) But seriously, some Japanese are very formal, some goofy, some average, some preoccupied with sex. I never portrayed all of the Ishimura clan in that fashion--just had a couple of them make occasional comments.

The only other characters who made some sex-related comments were the Spunkmeyers and Otto. And people who've read my fics already know that Otto is a pubescent horndog who gets a kick out of joking about sex and masturbation. What can I say, that's all I ever thought about when I was his age. ;)

Doug, about Rocky and Ralphie, you said, "The Spunkmeyers seemed like a generic couple devoted to battle and each other and little else, and therefore not very interesting characters to me." Well, yes, they focus a lot on battle--but that's because they're soldiers, basically. They went to Ishimura to do a job, got caught up in a whole 'nother thing. And you're damn right, they're devoted to each other--they're mates, for Christ's sake. Both of them are very aware that each mission could result in death for one or both of them, so they have a "carpe diem" mentality. I've said before that I developed a similar mindset over the years because my job could easily get me killed in any number of ways. *shrug* Still, since apparently that didn't come through in their characterizations, I didn't do a good enough job of conveying that (even though nobody else seemed to have this problem with them--or if they did, nobody else mentioned it to me...).

Yes, Otto has his computer talents...but that's because he's a hacker. Goliath and Elisa have their issues, Demmie and Koz have theirs, etc. But also bear in mind that Goliath and Elisa have been around since 1994, in various forms and interperetations, and Demmie and Koz have been in 16 previous fics in this series. Rising Sun #1 is the first time the Spunkmeyers have appeared (Rocky was mentioned in "Injustice part 2," when Elisa remembered seeing her and Ralphie at the police station, but they weren't named and nothing was really done with them). Also, Rising Sun takes place four years ago. Both of the Spunkmeyers have grown and matured since then (they're also young and impulsive in the beginning). Remember that Koz and Demmie, Purgie and Otto, and even Goliath and Elisa all had to have a beginning point. They were all rather undeveloped when they first appeared. All of them grew and evolved over time. Still, your comments showed me that I need to do a better job of conveying this stuff through the characters from now on. Thanks for pointing it out to me. :)

And battle and each other is not "all" the Spunkmeyers have. As Otto mentioned at one point, they have two children. Because they're soldiers who know they may not survive the next mission, both of them place a great deal of importance on the other and on their children. This provides a foundation to build their characters on.

Now...your comment about Rocky's "interspecies couples" joke, IMO, is way off the mark. You missed the point of her joke. (You also stated that Ralphie is the one who said it, when in fact it was Rocky's joke... ;) She (and I as well) was not trying to suggest that interspecies relationships are commonplace or "accepted as the norm." Even though, in this ficverse's future, such relationships are _more_ acceptable than they used to be (interspecies marriage being legal, etc.)...they are not in any way "the norm." The Spunkmeyers, and any other interspecies couple, would obviously be subjected to a lot of bigotry and insults from both humans and gargoyles who are offended by seeing them wearing matching wedding rings or kissing or whatever...and the Spunkmeyers in particular probably catch additional flak because Rocky has a beak and looks less humanoid than other gargoyles. Now, I never came right out and said any of that in the story, but I felt that people would assume that this was the case just because of the excess baggage that goes along with loving someone who isn't the same species as oneself. After all, here we are in the year 2000, and people still get the crap beat out of them (or worse) because they're black or hispanic or Jewish or gay or different in any number of ways from the people who are picking on them. For interspecies couples, I would imagine that it would be even worse, in many ways. (Gargoyles are less likely to get beaten up by some goon, but they're not any less vulnerable to verbal taunts than humans are.)

Both of these people have had to put up with people saying their relationship is "disgusting." So Rocky turned it into a joke, turned the comment upside-down by applying that to "normal" same-species couples. There's some bitterness in her humor...but for the most part, she's putting the whole thing in a different perspective. I understand that you found this offensive--but Rocky has a different view. She's offended by the same comment when it's applied to her and her husband, and she attempted to lessen the pain by turning it around and making it into a joke. Again, I never mentioned this in the story, but I thought the subtext would be self-evident. Also, this is the way Rocky's humor sometimes works, and she will probably continue to make jokes like this one. I'm sorry you took her comment completely out of context.

Still, your pointing all this out will help me to develop their characters better than I might have otherwise. :) Hope this background info clears up any misunderstandings....

And again, sorry if this appeared to be a hostile reaction. It honestly wasn't intended that way. I've just been having a rough time lately, and my buttons are easily pushed right now. I honestly didn't mean any of this to sound harsh or insulting.

I'm glad you enjoyed the story anyway. :) Oh, and thanks for telling me which of your fics came next in the series. I've saved it to my hard drive and hope to get to it ASAP. :)

Christine: I didn't have a chance to jump into this earlier, but your comment about hoping Demona fans get bashed the way Jericho fans did...well, I just have to point out that there are multiple versions of Demona from the TV series and from whichever fanfic authors decide to write stories about her. Some of them are still evil, and some have become good guys. I root for the good ones and boo and hiss the evil ones. I turned her into a good guy in my series because I thought that might be an interesting direction in which to send her character and just see what happened...because, honestly, for her to remain the same would cause her to stagnate and become less interesting. However, there's only one Jericho, and he's yours. Yes, the idea that he has a fan club is extremely offensive to me and to a lot of other people. A sort of generic Demona fan club wouldn't be too troublesome...however, if somebody started a fan club for _your_ Demona in particular, I would be just as disgusted as I am by the Jericho fans. Your Demona is the only one (as far as I know) who humps her own son. And Jericho, of course, is one of a kind. Thank the gods for that.

Remember the serial-killer trading cards that were such a big deal a few years ago? Jericho fans have the same kind of sick mentality as the ones who collected those cards. Yes, Jericho makes an interesting villain, and so does his mommy--but they're villains, and particularly despicable ones at that. Anybody who would actually _worship_ either character, as the Jericho fan club members do, should be taken into custody as quickly as possible, because they're just plain f--ked in the head.

*sigh* Sorry about the rant. I've had that in my system for quite a while, and just had to let it out. Just needed to vent some hostility, I guess. And Jericho and his mommy are just such easy targets. ;)

Okay...now to try to respond to a few emails, if nothing else goes wrong...
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 01:12:58 AM
IP: coosbay1-101.transport.com

Jenna: I'm sorry to hear about yor unemployment problems.

Doug: <<doesn't Congress control tax policy, not the President? >> The President can veto any bill that Congress presents. I'll simply veto all of their tax bills untill they're willing to accept mine.

Bengali: Although I fancy myself a Christian, oddly enough, I'm not offended whatsoever by your comments. They did seem to come out of nowhere though. They were blunt, to the point, informed, and objective. What I consider to be good statements. However they are unpopular to some individuals in here. I myself am quite objective (although some people say I'm an cynicle, insensitive @$$hole). People need to think objectivly about things more often, including religion. I think when you made your post you struck a nerve with some people with facts they mght not want to confront. The verses you qouted were legitamete references that indcated the doctrine and "spirit" of the Bible, even though they were in the Old Testament. What happens in the New Testament doesn't change what resulted from the Old Testament.

And yes, some of us Christians are idiots. Nobody can deny that.
Tim P.
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 12:48:17 AM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Everyone out there>I'm sorry, I didnt mean to "attack" people who believe in God. I suppose I shouldnt have said what I did, you all have the right to your own beliefs, but I was not attacking christians and I am not against them. I do not believe in God and I did not come here to attack people who believe in him but I must hold my side of the argument in saying that much of the bible is very extreme and that there is no material proof that God exists but that there is proof in the theory of evolution, which is no longer considered a theory by any respectable scientist, the only part of it that is still being debated is how life evolved.

Sorry.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 12:43:40 AM
IP: spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com

Sev. Jr.> <<I don't recall anyone in the room starting or engagin in some sort of religious debate in here>>: I must apologize, as I believe I started the worst of this. It started when Bengali said something about the death penalty and eternal punishment, I then gave my one argument in favor, and it started to blow up from there.

The Revered Mrs. Morgan> Congratulations on the $268 for publication, and regarding the rejections: perserverance shall win the day.

To alleviate the tension, I shall share something amusing and wrong:
Rutgers students decided to have some fun with the recent snow. The first snowman I was was built next to a tall building, and had a brick stuck in its head. ThenI heard rumors of a destroyed giant phallus. Now for what is wrong on so many levels: One snowman was built horizontally; behind it, there was an upright snowman, with "arms" on the back section of the first; then a cylinder was attached to the second one in the appropriate area.
Yes, Rutgers is an amazingly scary place.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gisde - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 12:29:00 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

*dashes into the room on a blended mocha high and starts bouncing off the walls*

HIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI EVERYONE!! ON TO REPLYS =]

Doug>..<Dragon Vulnerability> have you considered Dragonsbane? Arrowhead or spearheads dipped in some kind of concoction of the stuff.

Aaron>...<sacrafices to the car gods> hummm....I don't know.. but sure seems as if they've been accepting a lot of ruber lately. *sheesh*

Christine...ye-gads..not ANOTHER one!! What's wrong with al the editors out there anyway? Are they all stupid or just completely brainless?! SHEEESH! *sics the car gods on all the idiots that have sent you rejection letters*

*contines to run amok on a caffine high*
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Tuesday, February 1, 2000 12:27:49 AM
IP: 98a719ef.ipt.aol.com

The rejection march continues > today: 1 form letter, 1 that was the first page of my query sent back with "no thanks" scribbled in the margin. Also got a short story turned down by TaleBones.

But!
On the brighter side!
Pyramid Magazine accepted an article!
GURPS Raptors, coming soon! Hurrah!
I love those guys at Pyramid and SJ Games; they have been so very supportive!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, January 31, 2000 11:38:17 PM
IP: krldb206-22.splitrock.net

No RP tonight. Hopefully sometime this week, maybe tomorrow, if I have the time. Everyone else in the RP, please try to carry on. Sorry for the delay on my end.

I would like to thank all of you for your encourage meant, and your support, it does mean a lot to me. I just felt I needed some support from someone, as I'm not getting any here on the homefront. As for the situation in question....it's gonna get worse instead of better. But I'll suppose I'll get through it, although I must say that over the last couple days I've probably experienced enough depression--and rage--to last me all year. I'm literally sick with certain family members, and it's getting to the breaking point. I don't want to keep going on and on about it, though, so I'd just like to say thank you to everyone who wished me well, and if you would, just kind of keep me in your thoughts. I'd appreciate that.

Jenna: **BIG HUG** It's you who need the real support, not me and my problems. I know how hard you and your husband have struggled, and this certainly isn't helping much. What, exactly, did this "boss" of yours use as his excuse for laying off hard-working individuals like you? I'd really like to hear it, cause I'm sure it'd be full of crap. I'll pray for you, that you get another job soon, one that is infinitely better and more fulfilling than this previous one. We'll all be here for you, and we wish you and your husband well. You can email me if you want, if you just need someone to talk too.

Bengali: Please permit me to use my favorite Larry Flynt quote (one that I regrettably do not get to implement all that often): "Opinions are like assholes, eveybody has one."
I don't know what brought up this whole Christianity thing, but I'm beginning to seriously think you have a very, very serious problem with anyone who professes that faith. I don't know where it's coming from, either, because I don't recall anyone in the room starting or engagin in some sort of religious debate in here. The topic has barely been mentioned in here the past few days. And all of a sudden, this little meltdown of yours. What's the deal?
Listen, instead of pretty much insulting everyone of the Christian faith in the CR (and BTW, just to be curious, is is just Christians? Or does the blanket hatred also carry over to Muslims, Buddhists, and Shintoists as well?), you shouldn't have presented yourself the way you did. I remember Pistoff getting into a pseudo-argument with others in the room not too long ago (and I was included) because of a clash of beliefs (or rather, a clash of belief vs. nonbelief). The point is--if you believe in a particular religious faith, great. You don't believe in one, or any, great too. Don't knock the beliefs or nonbeliefs of another. This is almost like that earlier argument, which was, if I recall correctly, was something along the lines of "some atheists feel Christians are morons for believing" vs. "Some Christians feel atheists like nothing better than to take cheap shots at them". As we finally determined (at least I think we did, when the yelling ended), both sides were guilty to some extent.
As for whether it's logical to believe in God....to be perfectly blunt with you, NO ONE CARES if you don't think it's logical. At least not those who believe in God. Just because you find it illogical doesn't mean they do. Even if the majority felt the way you do, it still wouldn't matter to the Christians. People will believe what they want to believe--even if it's "illogical" by scientific standards. Just respect that. Look at it this way--since the dawn of time, from day one of civilization, people have ALWAYS believed in some sort of religion. A God or gods, monotheism or polytheism. Add that up, you have billions of people over the ages who have believed in a religion. Maybe they're all wrong, and nothing exists except nothing. But the lesson to take from all of that religious history is that it's a fair shot that a portion of humanity will always believe in some sort of religion, and as such, you should show a little respect for those beliefs, even if you don't share them.

C.S. Lewis news: Well, to further beat a dead horse on the current subject matter, I've found out a few more details on the "Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" movie (be forewarned, Bengali, not only was Lewis a Christians the book is loaded with religious symbolism). Apperently, Universal will be funding it (so hears hope that it'll actually see some real dollars put into production) and it will be directed by the same guy who did "Stuart Little". I don't care much for mice that sound like Michael J. Fox, but that mouse movie's made like over a 100 mill, so this is probably a good thing.

Buffy news: Well, Joss Whedon is now publicly stating that Willow will be involved in "A love that can't speak it's own name" (Bonus cookie to the person who can give me the movie that line came out of ;). She'll be involved in a relationship with her witch in training Tara. This...for some reason, this leaves me real oogey inside. As a male, this sort of appeals to me in the dirtiest way possible, but it just doesn't feel right. I mean, Willow....Willow is so damn cute and lovable. Bad Vampire Willow aside, I don't want cute, lovable Willow...doing those nasty things with another girl. *sigh* Why couldn't you keep her a Puritan, Joss? Damn you! :p
Oh, and he said that Faith would definitely be returning for an episode, possibly this season. Now *THERE* is a girl I can see doing a lesbian scene.

California residents: This Friday, in San Francisco, they're gonna throw some big Pokemon thingamajig, and the head guys behind the Pokemon craze will be there to answer questions and all. If you live in the CA area, please show up there. Then, for me, ol' SJ....I want you to kick those bastards in the nuts for corrupting the youth of America. Thank you in advance! ;)





Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, January 31, 2000 11:34:00 PM
IP: 207-172-119-48.s48.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com

-jenna- Sorry about the job thing. I know I sound like I'm bringing up the rear here but I've been out all weekend. My family went through some tough times where money was tight any all four of us were working just to put food on the table and a cracker jack box over our heads. YOu just hang in there and MAS IMPORTANTE never give up.

Dang, When I said I was going to wait for you to start a new topic I didn't know y'all were going to start a holy war. That's just something I don't want to get into. On the brighter side of things it's not freezing anymore and I can ride to all my destinations again. (Yeah, time saver)
On a personal note to myself I'm going to probably going to go ahead and start to write part two of four of the CJ series. (None of you will know what that is right now, but some day you will. Hopfully within a few years time.)
As for SUPER BOWL comments: I'm glad the Rams won because I never liked the Titans when they were the Oilers so there. SUPER BOWL COMMERCIALS: My favorite was definetly the Bud Light one where the tiger was guarding the fridge. That was just plain funny.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
Monday, January 31, 2000 11:21:45 PM
IP: spider-wo031.proxy.aol.com

Anne> <<Wilek, Talon, & Maggie, what're you going to names the little kitten(s)?>> <looks around> <blink> Huh? <cerebral flatulence>

Xanathar> <<There's a particularly nasty part in operations where there's a sim unit in the middle of of an empty room and as soon as you activate it,two side panels open up letting out a whole bunch of them*SHUDDER*>> ACK. Thanks for warning me about that; I'll have to watch for it if I ever get there (I'd made it to *just* before there when DC nuked my saved game). :) (Of course, it'll probably still scare me to death anyhow...)

Jenna> <<I just got laid off.>> :O <hugZ> That...that...that's awful. :( I hope you can find another job soon, hopefully even a better one than before...

Alex Destine> <<ok, this is my way of saying: may I post here?>> No real permission needed; just turn in your sanity (or have you already? I've forgotten). ;)

Aaron> <<Yes, that is James wearing inflatable breasts.>> As if my nightmares weren't already bad enough...<<I think the inside of my mind probably looks like either a really big version of The Room Where Clothes Go To Die from the old Cosby show, or the Land of lost things from the Real Ghostbusters cartoon.>> Interesting...I think mine is more like the islands of Riven if they were designed by Tim Burton...large, weird, mostly empty, and with kewl stuff scattered here and there. :)

SOROW> <<The junior officers made it a distinct point to make my life a living hell today for not agreeing with them. Well, they're b*tches anyway! *sigh* If only I had a ray blaster, THEN we'd see some fun!>> Perhaps, but they're quite fast acting; the fun stops rather quickly. Here, try this: [Wilek drags in one of the more obnoxious junior officers, then whips out a spellbook from who knows where and chants, "Cruentu praaNsilenux, bibex crudux cruo cruento pestis pallex caecux!" With that, the officer begins literally puking up his guts like a victim in an Italian zombie movie.] He'll suffer for hours before he dies. <hands the book to SOROW, with a ray blaster in case the book turns out not to be to her liking> Have fun. >;)

Bengali> Jenna, Kaioto, Jannie, etc have said much of what I want to, more eloquently than I can.
Wilek Nereus
Monday, January 31, 2000 11:11:38 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Jenna: Re Laid off >> Sorry to hear about that Jenna, the same thing happened to me while I was in Hampton, VA last year... I moved and rented a 6 month lease to an apartment... and just 4 weeks later, the contract ended without notice (cuz the funding was terminated) and I as stuck with a 6 month lease living off of my credit cards for 4 months! So I know what you're going thru... I wish you luck and I hope you have support. Keep us posted on your endevours. *hugs*

Coyote: Re Long hard day at work >> *hugs* poor soul... at least you weren't outdoor all day inside Sea World, Alex works. I hope he doesn't catch a cold. It was 'cold' and wet all day today.

Orlando Professional Charter SIGGRAPH: >> Just got an email from the director of operations of ACM, the 'over-seer' of SIG's... and it looks like I have been invited to be on the board to jumpstart the Orlando Charter that has been down for the last two years. WAHOO! Now I just need to hurry up to send in my renewal forms so that I can legally be on the board *GRINS*

GB: >> *gives GB a good size kiss* I miss you... you need to get online later in the evening so we can chat the night away. *hugs*

Jannie:> Re: Brochures >> *puts a good size stack of booklets and brochures on the table* Ok... I think I got most of the good ones, plus a few extra odds and ends. Now I just need to find that redundant post office. I'll try to get this in the mail for you either this week or next week. And if I see anything else, I'll collect those and toss them in the mail as well.


XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 11:00:44 PM
IP: spider-tj031.proxy.aol.com

Bengali> you make a big deal over a link - not even written text in the room and yet you come in here and insult those who believe in God? Call them foolish beliefs? *blinks*

You have quoted from the Old Testament - during the times when God WAS harsh.... hence the creation of His Son and God then softened His heart. Most Christians practice the teachings and scriptures from the NEW Testament.

You are most certainly entitled to your beliefs, however, it is not necessary to insult others that do not believe the same as you.

Cannot see or touch God? Take a deep breath, watch an ant, see a baby being born. It's also called FAITH. You can't touch or see love either - does that make it non-existent?

I won't waste my time arguing or debating the existence of God with you. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I won't be insulting you though for your beliefs. Besides, the CR is not the place to hold this discussion.
Jannie
Monday, January 31, 2000 10:33:30 PM
IP: 168.171.197.15

Bengali: Don't come in here and insult other people's beliefs calling them mumbo jumbo.

It is rude. You have a right to your opinion, and your opinion is ALL it is.

Your claims about God based in your conflicts with the Christian religions do not flow logically. One human religion's interpretation of a deity does not define a being such as God, Who's very nature defies the human intellectual capacity to understand. As it is, there are so many different interpretations of the Deity (including Polytheism) for a conflict with the Christian God-head-model to make Atheism a factual philosophy.

Your literal interpretation of teaching stories inside a book many others consider Holy merely puts you into the same level of ignorance as the blind literal followers of 16 language translated interpretations of a 2000+ year old document, most of which was written to advise a fragile, small tribe of persecuted people survive in a hostile, dangerous, and primative world.

A follower, whether for or against, is still merely being driven. Don't be a literalist, it has a tendancy to get you into no end of trouble.

You may not like to believe in one particular interpretation of God or religionous tradition, but Atheism dismisses ALL of those possible interpretations, not just the Christian one.

Your belief in the non-existence of God has not a leg to stand on as a statement of fact.

It is merely a faith. Remember that little thing you belittled in your quotes?

To speak from a stance of intellectual integrity, non-existence is a ridiculously difficult thing to prove. If God does not exist, you'll never find any evidence to support your claim. This makes your statement as devoid of proof as a statement that God ~ does ~ exist. Moreover, some religions do have their proof, not all of which can be disproved. Instead, people choose to dismiss these proof as merely myth and legend. However, even if you dismiss all his, you are left in a null state: Null proof to null proof.

This assumed, no accepted proof in the decision, under intellectual integrity and logic, one may choose to believe whatever one wants depending on how one feels.

The belief that God exists can not be proven either ludicrous or false. Thus, saying that such a belief is ludicrous or false is an intellectual lie. The only true statement that can be derived from this is that ~ you believe ~ that the existence of God is a ludicrous belief and that ~ you believe ~ that God does not exist.

Any decent philosopher or scientist can tell you just how much your opinion is worth in the realm of fact. You want to run your mouth about how great your opinion is, well try doing it without taking the false posture of being one of the "intellectually enlightened" talking down to the "ignorant masses" as you seem to have fallen victim to the simplest traps of human communications, speaking your opinion as fact.

Sure, such an activity can make you sound like you are in the know, but really it is just a passive lie.

I will add, I want to correct what I see as your abuse of reasonable ideals of generally reasonable and wise men.

It is indeed a dangerous and backwards thing for men to throw away all their self-responsibility on the idea that God will save them from their mistakes, or tell them everything they need to live their lives. It is a dodge of responsibility, which goes against the fundamental principles most religions are founded upon. Many times, men who control religions sacrifice principles in favor of exercising control through policies of unquestionable dogma.

I believe quite the opposite principles. I believe that God has given and insures the importance of free will for human beings. As well, people have the fundamental obligation of questioning themselves, their actions, and their convictions. This is in order to find as solid an understanding of the Truth as they can and then to act in accordance to that Truth. I believe this is called "responsibility."

The Church was acting irresponsibly when they killed Galileo. To refuse an opportunity to expand one's understanding of the world around one's self is dodging the possibility of better control over one's environment, and the responsibility of that power. It is an act of irresponsibility, and of murder. Both seem to me to be violations of the Church's founding principles.

However, one would also be wise to note that hypocrisy does not in any way invalidate the Truth value of statements of a hypocrite. A hypocrite can stay 2 + 2 = 4 … it is just that we are less inclined to believe the boy who cried wolf.

Bengali, I'll respect your right to your opinions and beliefs, and demand the same respect to my own opinions and beliefs. Despite how you may feel, your belief has no more proof than my believe, rendering it impossible for you to justify holding yours as factually or reasonably true while mine is false.

You have your opinion, which holds no factual value. It is ~ not ~ any more valid than mine, so don't talk down to me just because we disagree.

I'm not going to talk down to you because we disagree about God either. I don't want to start a fight or demean your beliefs or disrespect your right to an opinion, though your approach to this has angered me. All I wanted to do in this post was point out that your statements have been somewhat rude and extremely intellectually deceptive (unintentionally so, of course).

You're statements are intellectually a lot weaker than you realize.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 10:26:04 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Jenna>I suppose I was a bit harsh there, you and others have the right to believe in whatever you choose, but everything I said was very much true and I think that all of it was validated. I do not think that people who believe in God are idiots but I'm not sure how they can believe in something that there is no proof of it existing and promotes genocide, infanticide, etc, etc, etc..., In parts of the bible it says...

"When a man strike his slave, male or female with a rod and the slave dies under his hand he shall be punished, but if the slave survives a day or two he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money"
...Exodus 21:20

or...

"When men fight with one another, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and siezes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall have no pity"
Deuteronomy 25:11

or...

"Happy shall be he who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!"
Psalms 137:9

Heres some questions for you,

Why did your god order the slaughter of babies by sword?

Why does your god condone the "cutting open the pregnant women"?

Why does your god condone the beating of slaves into a slow death?

Why does your god condone kidnapping and raping virgin girls after slaughtering their families in front of their eyes?

Why did your "loving god" kill 42 boys for calling a man "baldhead"?

I could go on for days but I wont, all I have left to say is that if 50 million people believe in a foolish thing then it is still a foolish thing.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, January 31, 2000 10:16:01 PM
IP: spider-wi071.proxy.aol.com

**steps into the room, looking around** Ahh, so nice to come home to my friends after a hard day's work ...

**huggles Mara** You're right, it *is* good to be you. And Slayers *does* rule. :)

Anime picks: Slayers, of course, but there's a good list of others that I personally own that I'd recommend. Mostly features, really ... three of them being Perfect Blue, Black Jack and Gunsmith Cats. And God help me, I WANT A COPY OF "A WIND CALLED AMNESIA!!!"

**composes self**

Sorry. **pant pant** But I fell in love with that film the first time I saw it ... and I haven't been able to find a copy since!

Super Bowl XXXIV: Only three words I have to say about the game ... though it *is* nice to see the Rams with the title.
Three little words.
Okay.
And here they are ...

ONE FRIGGIN' YARD!!!!!!!

**composes self** Okay.

SJ: Here's hoping your situation improves soon, dude.

Katara: Daaang ... sorry to hear about your car troubles ... if it makes ya feel any better my Cadillac threw a hubcap on me on my way to work this morning ... dang, that's not quite as severe, I think ...

Jenna: **big hugs** It'll work out in the end, my friend, it always does. And until it does we're all here for ya.

Aaron: Uhmm ... I think I can answer that question ... if I'm not mistaken, Mazoku Demon Lords are unaffected by iron ... but they *are* susceptible to utterly *obscene* levels of magic power ... which brings up an interesting Deathmatch faceoff for ya:
Oberon vs. the Lord of Nightmares ... who's the last magic being standing? (Assuming the LoN is possessing Lina at the time ...)

**settles on the nearby couch** yeah ... long day ... **sigh** time to relax ... **keels over, curling up in a warm, comfy sleeping position**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, January 31, 2000 10:10:35 PM
IP: zzz-209252248098.splitrock.net

**RP Here**
Kaioto glances left, then glances right. One second, wide open hangar with all manner of folks and some demons that needed some killing; the next second, he's standing around in a bunch of passages.
He sighs and closes his eyes. Empty … very, VERY empty … no other sentience … no other life. The only real feelings he could read off of it was magic.
"Magic," he breathed, reaching out to touch the walls. His hand was physically met with the illusion of solidity, but he was feeling with his sixth sense. "Magic indeed," he sighed, taking a seat on the floor of the maze.
Instead of wandering about in a huff, Kaioto takes a meditative sitting position and closes his eyes. Calming his breathing and reaching down into his mind, Kaioto tries to take himself back to the days when he trained with his old master.
**Pause RP**

Jenna, Pistoff, and SJ: I'm very sorry to here about your misfortunes. I hope and pray that things turn around for you. I'm thinking of all of you.

Green Baron: I agree with you that Amnesty International carries into some unwanted politics, but I also can not fairly or responsibly dismiss information and ideals just because they come from one side of the isle or the other. An open mind is what sets apart the individuals from the party-line sheep. It also sets the responsible people apart from the conformists.

Well, today has been very interesting. I'd have to say the highlight has been finding my philosophy texts being reasonably easy reads. I've also discovered some more accurate names for a lot of philosophies I could not accurately communicate in a few words.

I also encountered a number of cool quotes and noted the book conducts a very rational and logical critique of the strengths and weaknesses of various philosophies. Perhaps the best feature I've found is that each time a philosophy is examined is that the question is always asked, "What would the world be like if this were true, and everyone accepted it as truth?"

I'll give you to things to think about:

1.) What if morality is nothing more than the society's customs and you ask the above question?

2.) What if morality is nothing more than how any individual feels is right at any given time and you ask the above question?

It isn't very simple if you think about it clearly enough. The phrases "tyranny of the majority" and "brutal anarchy" come to mind after some reflection.

**Resume RP**
Kaioto opens his eyes, staring right at the magical walls of the maze.
More accurately, he seems to be staring beyond them.
He takes his feet calmly, his sword sheathed and his trench coat tied up tight. Kaioto takes a step forward, then another, eliminating almost all the distance between him and the wall. Without hesitating, he continues to walk. As he walks, the walls of the maze ripple like liquid, yielding passage to Kaioto's relentless steps. His passage leaves behind only the whisper …
"There is no spoon."
**End RP**

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 09:13:09 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

BENGALI - Per your question about when "Gargoyles" and "Pendragon" will be airing - we're not certain as yet. We're hoping to start airing "Pendragon" in May, but it's still up in the air. No tentative dates have yet been set for "Gargoyles", sorry.

As for "Timedancer", our tentative date to start releasing it is March, but that could change as well.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 31, 2000 09:00:48 PM
IP: 216.87.46.7.dialup-stl.primary.net

Xanathar- yeah, but I'll survive..thanks anyway bud ^_^
jenna
Monday, January 31, 2000 08:52:21 PM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-197.hstntx.swbell.net

Jenna: I just got back from work and I saw your post,*Hugs*thats terrible :(
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 31, 2000 08:27:55 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Jenna comes in again.

Well, thanks to everyone for their support- I pretty much spend most of the day crying, but I guess I needed to get this out of my system. I don't know what exactly I'm going to do now- I may take a few days off, and then start looking. I at least have a severance package, which is a huge plus. But still- it's scary. I don't want to start over. I know change is inevitable, but that doesn't mean I have to like it that much.

But again-- thanks everyone, and group hug to everyone.





One final note before leaving-- Bengali, I find your remarks alittle harsh- you are of course allowed to believe what ever you want, but don't bash those who believe differently from you as being idiots.

thats all for now--
jenna
Monday, January 31, 2000 07:58:57 PM
IP: ppp-216-62-142-101.dialup.hstntx.swbell.net

Jannie>I realize that but I still dont think that that conversation was appealing.

Todd>Thanks, I agree, I think the two series should be seperate. When is the next episode coming out?.

Reverend Attila>Har har...*sigh* to all out there that believe in the God mumbo jumbo here are some atheist quotes...

"I am treated as evil by those who feal persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do"...author unknown

"I do not believe in God because I do not believe in Mother Goose"...Clarence Darrow

"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of religious theorys of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God"...Thomas Edison

"We would be 1500 years ahead if it hadnt been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake"...Catherine Fahringer

"Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to investigate"...F.M. Knowles

"Faith: not wanting to know what is true"...Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzche

"The so-called Christian nations are the most enlightened and progressive...but in spite of their religion, not because of it. The church has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo to our own time, when the use of anesthetic in chilbirth was regarded as a sin because it avoided the biblical curse pronounced against Eve. And every step in astronomy and geology ever taken has been opposed by bigotry and superstition. The Greek surpassed us in artistic culture and in architecture 500 years before the christian religion was born"...Mark Twain, a biography

I've got a million more but I'm gonna cut this short. I have read the so-called holy bible and have seen how it promotes infanticide, murder, rape of virgin girls, and slavery among many. There is not one bit of material proof that God exists. And if God is all omnipitent then he would know what his creations would turn out to be like when he creates them, so why does he create those whom he knows will do bad for any other reason than for his own amusement?. And this idea about hell and sending people who sin to hell for all eternity, many christians claim that their god is loving, then why would he send his children to burn for all eternity?, would you send your children to burn for all eternity for their mistakes?, would you have no mercy on your own children?. And last but not least, what about the parts in the bible where 42 boys were slaughtered for calling a man "baldhead"? or where it tells women to be submissive to their husbands?.

Thats it for now.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, January 31, 2000 07:41:06 PM
IP: spider-ti072.proxy.aol.com

Hi all! I just read the latest ep and I wanted to get in here before I go do chores. I think I can safely say that today sucked big @$$! It pretty much consisted of bearing the torment of being laughed and mocked at all day. The officers of my drill team had a disagreement and I took sides with the seniors. The junior officers made it a distinct point to make my life a living hell today for not agreeing with them. Well, they're b*tches anyway! *sigh* If only I had a ray blaster, THEN we'd see some fun!

Xanathar> I'm happy to see you happy :)

Joe> Look, I'm sorry that what your dad said hurt you this morning...but you can't let it ruin your whole day and week! You have to live for crying out loud! And I know because if it's one thing I'm used to, it's being yelled at by my parents. I was just in here a couple of months ago crying because my dad accused me for not caring about SATs, school, and thinking I'm starving myself! I was so devastated, I thought I wasn't going to get in here for weeks! But I've learned that things are forgotten (or lessened anyway) and you just have to bear it. Man, I'm great at bearing other people's sh*t! I have to put up with it everyday with Emily and Sandra! And Emily's seeing a freakin' shrink! She's messed up, and I don't want you to be like that...thinking the worst of everything or just not caring. I want you to be your old happy, AWAKE, and thoughtful self. Because I care about you. If you don't believe that, then you should read that book I gave you a couple more times! Please, PLEASE don't let these things get you down. I'm not going to pretend that I know what's going on between you and your dad, but all I can say is that you turned out great! No matter what he says! Because you've made a difference in my life! Make a difference in yours! And you work too much! Get some sleep!
SOROW
Monday, January 31, 2000 06:38:36 PM
IP: dll2a010-0313.splitrock.net

Doug> Mix up: No hard feelings (@!$# limitations of text-based media), just making things right in the world (what little I can do). I can see how it is possible: short name beginning with G.
Obsidian: Just thinking of the first dragon slaying that came to mind: Bard of Dale killing Smaug with his Black Arrow.

Pimp Daddy> Who would win: Kenshin or the Iron Chef?

This talk of car troubles has inspired me to share a joke:
A mechanical engineer, and electrical engineer, and a computer scientist are in a car, which breaks down.
The mech e says, "I know, what the problem is, it's the carburator, we just have to tighten some screws and we can get going again."
The double e says "No, you're wrong, it's the spark plugs, we need to clean the contacts, and that'll do it."
The computer scientist says, "No, no, you're both wrong. I tell you what we have to do. Let's all get out, close the doors, get back in and try it again."

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, January 31, 2000 06:05:58 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

::come in humming a nice tune. He quickly draws his attention to his ICQ and reads a note from his editor.::

OH NO He's found the TGS site! He knows what I am typing!!!! Better hide my identity. ::dresses up like al Gore::

There now he won't find me.....

anyway I'm just checkin' up. Sorry Jenna about the job thing...:(

My mention of Gargoyles so i don't seem too off-topic----> Gargs are cool yeah!

Al Gore
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 05:28:17 PM
IP: spider-wc012.proxy.aol.com

::come in humming a nice tune. He quickly draws his attention to his ICQ and reads a note from his editor.::

OH NO He's found the TGS site! He knows what I am typing!!!! Better hide my identity. ::dresses up like al Gore::

There now he won't find me.....

anyway I'm just checkin' up. Sorry Jenna about the job thing...:(

My mention of Gargoyles so i don't seem too off-topic----> Gargs are cool yeah!

Al Gore
Sarge Abernathy errr I mean Al Gore - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 05:27:55 PM
IP: spider-wc012.proxy.aol.com

::come in humming a nice tune. He quickly draws his attention to his ICQ and reads a note from his editor.::

OH NO He's found the TGS site! He knows what I am typing!!!! Better hide my identity. ::dresses up like al Gore::

There now he won't find me.....

anyway I'm just checkin' up. Sorry Jenna about the job thing...:(

My mention of Gargoyles so i don't seem too off-topic----> Gargs are cool yeah!

Al Gore
Sarge Abernathy errr I mean Al Gore - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 05:27:06 PM
IP: spider-wc012.proxy.aol.com

Aaron wanders in, taking a break from his usual somber black on black look, opting instead for a cheetah-print suit.

I found a coat to match those pants I bought. I wore them to the SAAS meeting this weekend and almost everybody thought I looked like a pimp, including various helpful suggestions on how to complete the ensamble. Wasn't bad tho'. A couple of women kept wanting to pet me. ;) Not my Demmie, but I shall not complain.

Also saw another episode of Pokemon which will never, ever air in the US. The infamous beach episode where Team Rocket participates in a bikini contest. Yes, that is James wearing inflatable breasts.

FS><<I personally also think that drugs should be made legal (and regulated)>> Right on! Personally, I'm for the decriminilazation of narcotics, prostitution, and speeding. (Hey, if I'm decriminilizing things, I might as well get one that helps me) << You forgot to mention that you think there is a possible lesbian thingie between Willow and her new magic friend! (How many guys in here have fantasized about that?>>Having never seen the show, I can honestly say I have never fantasized about that.

jewel> Atlanta had no snow? Odd, I was watching the Knicks game and Ernie Johnson and Kenny Smith were doing the pre-game from the roof of Phillips Arena and it looked like it was snowing. I know it was cold. Quothe Kenny "What are we *doing* out here?!?"

Toku> Right on! Like the bumper sticker says: "Twelve people who can't get out of jury duty are not my peers."

Wilek> I think the inside of my mind probably looks like either a really big version of The Room Where Clothes Go To Die from the old Cosby show, or the Land of lost things from the Real Ghostbusters cartoon.

Gside><<Yes, but what are the percentages of verdicts for similar crimes by the races? You have to take into account that we (me and the rest of the white european males) have forced many minorities into dead-end socio-economic situations.>> That, my friend is a whole other kettle of fish. I admit the disadvantaged commit more crimes, but Toku showed the stats on minorities vs whites getting death. Honestly, I think the only solution is to kill more white guys. We can start with those three redneck @$$holes from Jasper who drug that poor guy to death.

Coyote><<have you ever seen a skinny person naked?" ;)>> Speaking as somebody who could have played Renton from Trainspotting without losing 25 pounds like Ewan MacGreggor did, yes, and we don't look very good. Hence the big coat.

Warpmind><<Warpmind ducks behind the organ, preparing for a massive beating when the lyrics register with the audience.>> I dunno, the inmates have gotten very accepting of bad jokes of late. I never had to use that personal forcefield generator Wilek lent me after the Sadonecrobeastiality joke.

Anime> Hello, my name is Aaron and I'm an animeholic. Hee hee, that's a bit of an overstatement. I have seen just enough anime to know that I haven't seen much.

I don't really remember which one I saw first, although I do remember watching Vampire Hunter D and Lily Cat badly cut up on the Sci-fi channel.

Here's a brief list of series I'd recommend:

Maison Ikkoku> And you thought your roommates were bad.
Marmalade Boy> Kinda silly, but you've gotta love the concept.
Rouri (sp) Kenshin> Kenshin kicks @$$! And he can cook too.
Child's Toy> Marmalade Boy, set in fifth grade, and the whole cast is on speed.
Oh, My Goddess> Hmm, imagine Puck/Xanatos if Puck had been female instead.
Neon Genesis Evangelion> God I feel sorry for Rei.
and the award for Most Demented (But still *lots* of fun) series goes to...

Brother Dear Brother. Mara, you especially have got to check this one out. It's made to be MiSTed. (Try adding the words "in bed" to any given line of dialog. Much hilarity ensues)

SJ> Geez, I dunno what to tell you about your family, except hang in there. And maybe you can write a scathing best seller based on them, pocket the cash, and hit the road.

Katara> Another soul cursed by that car gods. Is there some kind of sacrifice we could do to appease them? Like, besides the contents of our wallets.

Jenna> It's been a crappy week, hasn't it. Obviously, the idiots running their company don't know that asset they just let go. Good luck finding a new job, roomie. (Hugs)

Well, I have to go back to pretending to work, so they can keep pretending to pay me.

Later.

As Aaron leaves, a short, shadowy figure sits in the rafters of the CR, pondering his next move. (Hah, you thought I'd abandoned this thread, didn't you?)

He looks at the rope next to it, down at his target, and wonders whether this is too cartoony. Then he takes another look at Hyena-chan and figures "Screw it." He cuts the rope with one swipe of his hand and sends a chibi-sized anvil hurtling downward toward the unsuspecting Xellos-kun.

(Mara, are Mazoku Demon Lords vulnerable to iron?)


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 04:41:28 PM
IP: ppp-182.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Wow is it me or has the past two day's been crappy? Space is followed by a trio of chibi's. Chibi Squall aproaches Anne and give's her a warm bowl of soup, ChibiDeliah heads over to Jenna and gives her a hug and a rose. and freshly sketched ChibiWillow heads to Sevarius jr and gives him a hug and smile.

Anne: I hope get well soon, get plenty of rest fluids and medicine but stay away from Buckleys I heard it tastes worse than Nyquil.

Jenna: Oh man I'm so sorry, I know you feel bad but your a very intelligent woman and I know you'll even get a better job soon.

SJ: I wish I knew what to say, but I hope thin'gs go better with you. Take care hon.

The weather sucked today! it started out cloud drizzling and 68 degrees wich I can tolerate wih a shirt and jeans but when classes ended the temp plummeted to 45 and it was pouring
I would have checked the weahter for the day,but I barely goit any sleep last night due to my pwecious wittle Vevlett going into heat and mewoing her head off...unlike Vixen who was quiet during her heat Velvett is LOUD! I may sleep on the couch tonight.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 03:48:18 PM
IP: user-37kaok3.dialup.mindspring.com

Jenna> Ouch, sorry to hear that. Hope the prospects for another job are good.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Monday, January 31, 2000 03:39:33 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp10.fltg.net

Jenna: Sorry to hear about your situation. :(
it'll get better soon, no you worry! :)

*goes to the closet and changes into a cute little kitty outfit and comes back out*

There's a cute little kitty here and she is looking for a home....
(ok, this is my way of saying: may I post here? =^_^= <- kitty face)
*sits down and licks her paw*

How can you say no to a little cutie like me? :P j/k
later.... (and what the heck, huggies for all u guys too) ^_^
Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 31, 2000 03:20:53 PM
IP: 136.145.83.187

Gside: Whoops! Sorry about the mix-up, hope you're not too mad at me about it, I'll try not to let it happen again. <Dragon Vulnerability> Yeah, obsidian might be it, but I'm not saying just yet. :) We do know iron hurts fey, though, silver hurts werewolves, and wood (or any sharp object, but wood works best) kills vampires, so all three are probably out. Striaght stone probably won't be it either, since a gargoyle vampire (at least in my ficverse) requires a stone stake in the heart to kill. There has to be something different for getting rid of dragons. <shrugs> What it is will be revealed in time. (Hint- don't worry, it's nothing nuclear, even though a nuke would work on a dragon very well. :)

Jenna: <mood sours> You got laid off? You, and not all the other more deserving people you've told us about? Great, there goes my faith in the company you were working for. :( Stormy's already given you some good advice on the situation, I don't know how I can add to it except to say that if you need friendship, emotional support, and prayers, I'm ready to provide all three. :)

Okay, that's all for now. I'm off to read The Wedding. Later!
Doug
Monday, January 31, 2000 03:10:15 PM
IP: cache2.gw.utexas.edu

Jenna: I'm sorry. I know how much that hurts. I'll pray for you.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 02:51:40 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

RP WARNING!!!
**Los Angeles
Jennifer Love Hewitt's body is sprawled on teh sidewalk and near death, but Attila knows just how to revive her. He starts to like her face and give her little kitty kisses, until she revives. When her eyes do open, her mind has altered. Instead of the innocent little miss-good girl, she has a newer, lustier outlook on life.

"What a cute little kitty! My head hurts. I need a guy soon. OH! Who is this in the pictures. Green suit and bowtie. He's cute!!"

Suddnely, chibi-Henry Kissinger zaps Love with teh ray gun, only on proper polarity now.

"Jennifer. That's the Green Baron. He lives in uptown New Orleans...er, meow!!"

"New Orleans, huh! It's time I went to New Orleans and had the time of my life with him for the rest of my life. Someone need s awhoel lot of loving from Love."

"Henry, I think our plan worked. I hope our employee is as succesful with the Juice."**

END this RP scene!!

Fire Storm> <<Death Penalty Arena: You people scare me. Too many people agreed with that idea>> I'm a bloodthirsty feline who would eat GB if I was bigger. Of course, I agree with your plan :)

SJ> Some misdemeanors are jailed. I just say fine 'em and flog 'em :)

Bengali> <<60% of the U.S. said that they would never vote for an atheist.>> Even fewer will vote for a nine year old tabby :)

Jewel> Castration is not a punishmnet, its a gift :) Well, that's what I have to tell myself everyday.

Kaioto> <An examination of the use of the death penalty based on data from more than 400 homicide charges in Orleans Parish, LA between 1990 and 1995 found that the District Attorney sought the death penalty almost three times as often if the victim was white.>
I'll have to talk to Harry Connick Sr. about that. Yep. That's the DA down in New Orleans. As for Amnesty International, they are soemthing of a mouthpiece of the far Left. To gain support for a good alternative to capital punishmnet, perhapos it is better to mention how costly it is and conservative reasons for opposition.

Jaden> I imagien many people from much poorer nations and living conditions woudl coem here to get arrested. Prison may be horrible for most of us, considering how well off most of us are, but such a life can be deisrable to many in this world which is kind of sad.

Christian Ricci> She can make me purr anytime :)

Warpmind> When did Christine say she was a ULC minister?

Anne> Take that extra money and invest it :)

SJ> Tiems certainly are tough and hopefully, you can do osmething like get a dorm or such to get away form family.

Jenna> ::kitty hugs::



Reverend Attila - [RevAttila@catsrule.garfield.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:56:13 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Jenna> awww, that's terrible! *hugs* You'll be in my thoughts and prayers. I'm sorry this has happened to you and I pray that you find another job quickly.
Jannie
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:48:13 PM
IP: 196-085.c.esc4.net

Jenna> That's aweful! *hugs* I hope you find other work soon
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:06:09 PM
IP: border1.cariboo.bc.ca

Jenna that sucks...

I know it's hard right now, but think of it this way. Did you really like the job you had? If so, you have experience to help you get another job like it. If not, then this is your opportunity to go look for something you'll enjoy more. Plus your experience will look good on a resume no matter WHAT you decide to apply for. Maybe your life is meant to take a different direction.

Hugs and prayers
Stormy
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:49:03 PM
IP: pc18.huron.uwo.ca

Doug> <<Gside: Good anti-fey ad>>: Why is it that people keep confusing me with Gyre? I use no images, and only post in bright green ~1/10 of the time.
<<dragons are going to be vulnerable to something besides iron>>: Obsidian? Sorry, Hobbit flashback.

Odd quewstion: Were the Star Wars movies originally designed to increase in maturity as they advanced (the largest evidence of such is the absence a JarJar fugure in the numbers 4 and 5)

Sev. Jr., Jenna, anyone else> I wish you a swift and pleasing conclusion to your problems.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:32:21 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Ahhh..poor Jenna **BIG HUGZ** I hope you find something else soon.
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Monday, January 31, 2000 11:57:48 AM
IP: 98a83788.ipt.aol.com

*walks in for a quick second*

Jenna< oh no! *hugs tightly* I hope it does not last too long!!!

*looks around and exits*
cherry blossom
WI, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 10:51:50 AM
IP: wbcml.hnet.net

Jenna comes in with a tear stained face-

I just got laid off.
jenna
Monday, January 31, 2000 10:46:15 AM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-153.hstntx.swbell.net

***Kyryn steps in: Apologies for the lateness, gentlebeings. Now we present for your reading pleasure:

The Wedding, pt.1 : Not Wisely, But Well

Written by Jonathan "Entity" Cotleur and Shauntell Holm

Artwork by Shauntell Holm
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, January 31, 2000 09:06:52 AM
IP: denm2-24.iglobal.net

SJ> *gentle hugs* I hope that you find some peace soon in your family situation. You have our support and prayers!

We have set up a listbot for those who would like to receive newsletters, update announcements, etc. for the Gargoyle 2K fanfics from Pistoff and Denis. It's free, so sign up now! =) please?
Jannie - [<-- sign up for the Garg2K Newsletter!]
Monday, January 31, 2000 08:34:29 AM
IP: 196-085.c.esc4.net

Hi all!!

Wilek:<< Gads I hate those. They're at their worst in Hydroponics D. <shudder> I've yet to try it, but it seems like Psi Pyro Field would get rid of them in a hurry. >:)>>There's a particularly nasty part in operations where there's a sim unit in the middle of of an empty room and as soon as you activate it,two side panels open up letting out a whole bunch of them*SHUDDER*

Pistoff:That sucks bud!:(,I hope life starts treating you better real fast.

Sevarius Jr:Bud!,your a friend to everyone in the CR and I'm very sorry to hear about your troubles at home:( (And the same goes for everyone who's having problems with life)

SOROW:<<I think everyone is having a crappy week. I just wanted to jump in here before having my shower, so everyone... PERK UP I SAY!>>Words to live by Happy Queen(Present CR problems aside,I'm feeling fantastic!:) )

C'yas Later!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 31, 2000 08:02:06 AM
IP: sydnc01.bigpond.com

**RP HERE, READ IF YOU WISH**

In the LA penthouse hideout, Asil begins pacing back and forth, muttering under her breath as she regards Storm Eagle, James VanDerBeek, and the Dirty Laundry Gang. "Most of you have satisfied me so far," she declares, turning around and glaring at them. "Others have not. In the final analysis, I believe I would wish for better troops to accomplish the goal here that Thailog has laid for me." "But, Mistress," VanDerBeek whines, "have I not pledged to satisfy beyond measure your every whim?" "Shut up, idiot," Storm Eagle hisses, elbowing him in the ribs. "She has a temper, you know." Asil seemingly ignores the exchange and goes on. "More troops would also be welcomed. However, we may not have time to find them. We must accomplish the mission now, before Thailog gets any more impatient." She sighs. "I grow tired of being forced to satisfy his commands and wishes instead of my own." "Um, Boss Lady?" Static interrupts, causing Asil to spin and glare daggers of fire at him. "What is the mission? Please stop beating around the bush!" Asil's hand drops to her BFG for a second, then she chuckles. "You want to know? Alright, fine. We are going to destroy a certain building in this city." "A building, huh?" Al Detergent nods. "Which one?" "Spielberg's house, right?" Staina asks. "I hate that guy's films!" "Please don't say it's the Playboy Mansion!" Bleach Man begs. "Too many cute honeys will die!" "Oh, it's a far more important building than either of those!" Asil growls. "This building holds in its corrupt and biased hands the fate of every show that graces network television, no matter its merit. If their unfair and unlawfully rigged polls find a show lacking in any way that meets their standards, they force the network that plays it to cancel that program. Once Master Thailog was a supporting character on one of the shows they canceled. He is still angry about it, and since he has so many other details to develop in his plans for taking over the world, he has entrusted me with fulfilling his need for revenge. We are going to destroy the building he has selected, and everyone who works within." "You mean," Socko gasps, "we're wasting the Nielsen Ratings Company Corporate Office?" "Exactly," Asil nods with a sinister smile, "and believe me, it's long overdue." She begins to maniacally laugh, her troops leaning forward with agreement and increasing interest to the details of how they will execute their plan. Meanwhile, below on the street, Jennifer Love Hewitt's body starts twitching and she picks herself up, starting her "Must Kill Bleach Man" chant again as the screen's image fades.

**WE MUST END THIS RP NOW, BUT WILL CONTINUE IT LATER, AND MORE ON ANOTHER THREAD'S AT THE POST'S END. :)**

Greetings CR dwellers. :) Well, another week has begun for us all, this year is already fast dwindling. Can the millenium (2001), the decade after it, our whole lives be far behind? <grin> Sorry, didn't mean anything by that. It was just a reminder to all to make the most of the time they have in this world, because too often it passes before one knows it. <sigh> Fortunately, there have been many good things in my life lately to help ease its passing for Kit and myself. We've been given nothing from school we couldn't handle (yet!, I'm sure something's ahead), our friends are all doing okay (the ones RL anyhow, I can see from looking ahead some of you may have issues. Don't worry, I'll respond to them shortly and try to help), and though there were no good movies this weekend we did get to see an excellent play ("Jekyll & Hyde- The Musical." Yes, they made a musical of a horror story. A pretty good one too, I liked how the script played on the audience's assumed familiarity with the play's subject matter and kept things gripping and thought-provoking along with it. No songs that were too spectacular, but a couple stuck in our minds and were thus good. The acting was also excellent, at least in this city. Other cities may be different, but for you theater aficanodos(sp?) lurking in here- if this play comes to your area, I recommend checking it out. The script alone is worth it, and some of the songs are good for inspiration (particularly the two that Kit and I were singing afterwards, "Facade" and "Alive!" One about the masks all of society wears, the other about how one feels when the mask is forced down and the beast within rushes out to feed (the beast in this case of course being Hyde). Related yet interesting pieces of work. :). Other than this, not much went on for us this weekend. Maybe next will be better, I don't know. Have to get through the week first anyway. :(

Fanfic Progress: "The Test" is flowing smoothly, I'll probably have it done by mid-March. The reason for things taking so long is partly school and other committments (such as a new job I got recently) putting drains on my time, and also of course that the story itself has a lot of things going on in it. For those who are interested, it will begin of course with Hurricane Floyd (had to do a story on the clan's response to that once it happened, I'm doing one now :), and then get into a lot of character development bits afterwards with only minor action here and there. Most of the bits will be on various couples in my saga- Matt and Nikki will get a little development, so will Goliath and Elisa, and Charlie is going to go through a few interesting scenes inspired by recent episodes of Angel and Now & Again. :) Seth and Demona will get some development as well (a small bit, they're still just friends and will probably forever remain such despite the fact that in my ficverse he is the first of her two remaining "great loves"), and so will one or two other couples (not Broadway and Angela, though, or Graeme and Rachel, I'm saving them for the next two fics after this one- "Elysium" and "Night of the Symbiotes." Goliath and Elisa will get development in "Elysium" and many other couples in the two-part fic after it as well). So what's "The Test" the title refers to?, you ask. There will be many. :) Most will be tests of trust, whether it be in oneself, in a person trying to be one's friend, or in an anonymous admirer. Others will be tests of overcoming fear, some fear for loved ones and others fear of moments of weakness, of making the wrong choices, and of love when it comes one's way. Then of course, there will be a test of battle with Zack vs. yet another evil and dangerous Quickling foe. Hopefully they will all be woven together into a coherent, entertaining, and interesting plot by the time things are woven out. :) I'll keep updating things as they go. For now, here's a small teaser scene:

**WARNING- TEASER AND SPOILERS FOR DOUG'S FAR-AWAY BUT UPCOMING NEXT FANFIC HERE**

"It's not like that," Kara smiled, hefting the shopping bag under her arm as they walked back to where they had parked. "Zack's a great guy, we're good friends and all, but we're not that close."
"I saw you looking at him like you wanted it to be, though," the darkhaired woman walking along beside her pointed out with a grin. "Maybe he wanted it too, it's hard to tell with his type."
Kara shook her head. "I shouldn't be thinking about it anyway. My last boyfriend is barely two weeks dead. Yeah, it was over between us long before that happened, but still, I mourn him."
"They say the best way to get over an old relationship is to find a new one," said Liz.
Kara nodded. "True, but..."
"Oh fine," her new friend shrugged. "You don't want to talk about it, I'll quit bugging you. Something in me just doesn't like seeing you disappointed, that's all. Or Zack, for that matter, despite the fact he's a prick. You want your relationship to go forward, it'll be up to you two, I should shut up."
Yes, you should, Kara thought as Liz walked on ahead of her. Just because you've found happiness with Brad Weston doesn't mean you should start matchmaking other people, especially ones you've only met today. Still, she sighed to herself, Liz does have some good points. Zack's a good man, and I know I like him. He also needs someone, badly. Otherwise, why would he go after so many women all the time? I need someone too, I've acted strong these last few weeks, but I've still got a lot of loss inside me, something Zack could fill. Of course, he may not be who I'm looking for, though, or vice versa. Despite the fact that we're good friends, and we're both available, he's never gone after me. Maybe I need what Bill would call a catalyst, she thought. Something to get him to like me, to care about me, or at least to worry about me. But what? None of the things that easily come to mind are stuff I would do normally. Should I take a chance and do something unorthodox? It would be worth it, I know. Maybe Liz and the others could help, and Seth and Doc and Mona and the gargoyles too. Maybe...
A hand tapped her on the shoulder and Kara spun around, thoughts fleeing her mind as she looked upon the very tall man dressed in black with long greasy hair framing a sharklike grin who had somehow crept up behind her. "Hello pretty," the man hissed, and then blackness flooded Kara's eyes as he punched her hard in the face. The sounds of a gunshot, a mocking laugh, and a cry of "S*&t!" from Liz were the last words in her ears before she fell unconscious to the ground.

**TEASER IS OVER- TO KNOW HOW IT ENDS YOU'LL HAVE TO READ THE FIC! :)**

Jewel: Re- your brother> Yeah, I hope your mom stays in sound mind till he's of age too. :( Good luck resolving things, hope it soon happens. Till it does, you'll stay in our prayers. Car situation> Bummer. Oh well, there are worst accidents, as people in here have mentioned. My family's never had one like them, though our Christmas tree did fall off the back of our car once and total a semi when I was five (it really made me mad too, not because of the hurt person in the semi but because of the destroyed tree. I've since gotten better priorities. :). Hope your accident's not too expensive to fix, and good luck with driving in the future. I'll pray that God stops playing cruel tricks on you soon, too. :)

Green Baron: $ <nods> Take Jennifer whenever you're ready, I'm basically waiting on you to resolve her situation. $ Thanks for the good comments about the US Corrections system, I agree that the punishment you propose would be good for a lot of currently incarcerated prisoners. It's definitely better than what we have now. :) Don't know where I stand on the death penalty, but since most of the people who suffer it deserve what they get, I guess I'm happy with it most of the time. (The other part of the time I'm not, but I thankfully don't know of too many instances where the person I've heard was executed didn't deserve their fate. Not even Karla Fay Tucker falls on the list (not going to comment more about her unless people pursue the issue, I'm too tired right now :( ).) Then there's all the other reasons people have given for supporting it, which I can easily agree with and understand. Yeah, killing people isn't totally right, I agree with Kaioto and lots of others about this, but it's also my opinion that with a lot of folk out there death is unfortunately what needs to be done. :( (Not all these folk are currently on Death Row, of course. :() (Remember, this is just my opinion. Hope it offends nobody, I don't want to start another flame war. <sigh>)

Gside: Good anti-fey ad, thanks for the laugh. :) Wonder if there's ever going to be some device in TGS like that or even better a dragon-be-gone weapon (both will exist in my ficverse of course, though dragons are going to be vulnerable to something besides iron. Fans'll find out what it is when the time comes :).

Tim P: <Reads Presidential Platform> You need my vote and signature, you got it, man. At the very least, a sensible platform like that should make a lot of the other candidates running wise up. (Currently they're concentrating on maligning each other, promising tax cuts, and whining about losses in the primaries they're involved with. Two of those aren't really helping anybody IMO, and as for cutting taxes- doesn't Congress control tax policy, not the President? Worry about the more important issues you can handle, people! <throws up hands and rolls eyes> :) Like your Health Care plan the best, as well as the Special Interest and Protecting People from Themselves-related proposals. Again, good luck somehow getting them through to the folk who need to hear them. :)

Leo Deal: So he is getting considered for Anakin? <sighs> Great, looks like the next Star Wars prequel is going to be even worst than the first one. We already know Leo can't do good guys sliding into insanity well at all (this is debatable of course, I know he played the part of one at least once in Basketball Diaries. Personally I hated that film, don't know about others' opinions). Needless to say, I'm not looking forward to seeing him join the Star Wars cast. <shakes head> Still going to see the Beach, though, if only for what looks like a good and inspiring script (most of Leo's movies have had those and thus been good even with his bad acting coming along in the package :) Doubt it will happen with Star Wars thanks to Lucas's slump in talent, but what can a guy with no power in Hollywood do? :().

Pistoff: I think Kit answered your question in her last post, hope it doesn't disappoint you too much. The story was still excellent, even if we disagreed with a lot of its character bits. (Ralphie and Rocky also rubbed me the wrong way for some reason, I don't know why. Maybe it was the former's bad interspecies crack (yeah, I have no problem with interspecies relationships and all, but having them accepted as the norm in a society would be taking things a bit too far! Yes, I know the joke was just that- a joke, but the way Ralphie said it...Interspecies relationships, as well as loving relationships in general, are also not IMO something to joke about in such a way. There's too many issues involved, like species differences and perceptions of such by various people, society's response to interspecies relationships, Darwin's laws and the need for all species to survive, the physical scarring that can result from a human-garg relationship in your fanfic,...I'm sure I don't need to go on. Yeah, it was a joke, but IMO you could have done a lot better story (and saga) without it, hope it's never made again). Then there was their very shallow (IMO) personalities. The Spunkmeyers seemed like a generic couple devoted to battle and each other and little else, and therefore not very interesting characters to me. (Other couples in your stories seem to have more in their lives than just each other and bad guys- e.g. Otto and Purgie have the latter's clan and the former's computer talents, Lex and Cornelia have their mutual love of technology and all its myriad uses, Goliath and Elisa have intense emotional conflicts with each other and other characters to resolve, Koz and Demona have the same, etc.- which is why I like them better than I do couples like the Spunkmeyers, who are just another pair of good guy soldiers who are together and that's it. Oh well, maybe more development's ahead for them and I will like them better after it's written. One never knows. :) Keep up your good work, I'll be praying for continued good products from you as well as a lessening in the number and degree of the many hassles currently plaguing your life, the computer troubles especially. :)

Jenna: You get my prayers too in your work-related situation, hope you'll soon be able to let us know what happened with that meeting. If you get thrown out...<sighs> well, a better job probably does exist. Try hard, and you can find it. That's the best thing I can say.

Samira: <waves> Welcome! Glad to know you were lurking, even though you had nothing to say. Attention is good. :) Welcome to all other newcomers as well, hope you'll soon come back.

Stephen: <nods> You're welcome. We hope your other works for TGS that are upcoming turn out well too. And Christi's also of course, along with everyone else's. :) (Look for comments on tonight's product further down.)

Furby Hookers: Can we please drop this topic, people? IMO, it never should have been brought up, there's nothing even slightly entertaining or interesting about it. It also disgusts and annoys me immensly, to say the least. <speaks to Pimpbot 5000 from Conan O'Brien about issue and calms down> Yeah, I do realize some people like it, but most of them are thankfully not in here. So can we please forget it? <looks over recent posts, sees that most people already have, and gasps in relief> Okay, good. :)

Joe: Bad news. Kit and I checked our schedules, and we don't think we'll be able to attend your concert. <sigh> Oh well, thanks anyway for the invite. You and SOROW have fun without us, we'll be there in spirit, okay? :) If you're ever closer to Austin, we promise we'll try and check you out.

Lady Mystic: You're welcome. I'm happy to support such a worthwhile enterprise. :) Again, good luck with it. You'll be in my prayers.

Jaden: <reads about family troubles and gulps> Congrats on surviving that situation, pal, glad we were able to help you vent the emotions coming from it. I can really sympathize with you about it even though I've never experienced anything similar, you made it sound so bad. <shakes head> Hopefully, things will get better and stay that way from now on. If not, good luck getting out and making them so. :)

Anime: Haven't seen that much of it myself, though what I have has been inspiring. Vampire Hunter D and Dominion Tank Police are definitely both good IMO, so's Sailor Moon to a much lesser degree. :) Some of the best animes I've found, though, are not movies or series but video games that incorporate anime-style action (and occasionally animation) such as FF8, Parasite Eve, Persona, and Xenogears. Then there's the truly great anime films like Princess Mononoke that overshadow them all. <smiles> Lots of good drawings and creative ideas, flowing from this medium out of Japan. :)

Super Bowl: Didn't watch it, wasn't planning to since I've never been too big on football, so I won't be commenting on it. Hope no one cares. <grin>

SJ: My sympathy is with you on those power failures, we've had them here too (not lately, thankfully, but they have gone on). Hope they're all over by now. Rorschacts> I agree with you about those, it is fun to use them to mess with shrinks' minds. I did it once (not going into detail for fear of corrupting young minds) and will never forget the initial look on his face. Of course it didn't last, since the shrink in question was smart enough to soon realize what I was doing, but nevertheless it was a great laugh. :) Re- Family Troubles> What I said to Jaden above goes double for you, pal. I may not know everything about your situation, but believe me, I've felt a similar way about my family thousands of times. Yeah, we've always been able to resolve things before it got too bad, but with you that doesn't seem like the case. :( Therefore, I will be praying that you are able to resolve your situation satisfactorily and quickly, with a minimum of emotional scarring afterwards. If there's anything Kit and I can do to help, just let us know (she'll do her own bit to you later in the week).

Mandi: Welcome back, missed you a lot. :) Good to see you in here again, hope you'll be able to remain longer. And comment more next time. <grin>

AotN: <Story tonight?> I'm hoping there is, Robby said there was. Of course, it hasn't been posted yet though. :( I may not get to comment on it tonight after all. <sighs> Oh well. Guess either DC or his even more evil cousin RL is to blame. :)

<looks over recent posts again> Okay, that appears to be about everything. <sighs> I guess I'll go to bed now, and comment on the new story next time when it comes up. Later all, and talk to you again soon!

**RESUME THE RP**

The screen flickers back on, revealing the Avatar's hangar. The Ravens have just finished listening to Warpmind's analysis, and they all frown, wondering at the same time how their new friend has learned the things he knows and what the consequences could be if he's right. "Look over there!" Kit breaks the moment, noticing something out of the corner of her eye. They all look and spot SJ struggling with Dyspare and Kari as they try to pull him different directions. "I don't know about SJ," Shap whistles, "but that little black guy is a demon alright. A minor winged hamatula type, to be exact." "Evil?" Tricia asks, and the paladin nods. "Oh yeah. They're usually bootlickers and servants for some powerful lord, but can be quite nasty on their own. I've fought a few in the past." He looks at Orion. "Shall you and I go take it on? We're best equipped." The cleric nods. "With young Sevarius and Kari's help, it shouldn't be too difficult. I suggest having Shauna and Elena cover us just in case, though. The rest of you should also stand by. Hamatula can gate in more of their demonic kindred, and if things get too out of hand..." "Let me at that demon!" Kaioto yells suddenly, shoving Erin and Mist away from him and leaping back up to his feet. "I'll handle him and the other infernal both! The longer you fools insist on staying in my way..." "Whoa," Keith cuts him off. "SJ's our friend, okay? We're trying to protect him!" "Yeah," Stephanie agrees, "can you please stop being so impatient and selfish? We're gonna fix things, okay?" "That *creature* is not your friedn!" Kaioto snaps. "It's a powerful demon of some kind, here to harm all sentient beings! I must..." He suddenly stops raving, then vanishes in a puff of smoke as Lathrop lowers his waving hands. "What'd you do?" Doug asks the wizard. "I used a powerful spell I know to put him in a magical maze," Lathrop replies. "It will keep him busy for thirty minutes to five hours trying to get out, depending on how smart he is. Given the circumstances, I saw the need." Shauna nods. "I can agree with you. He did seem pretty intelligent, though, so he might not be in your spell that long." "He wasn't thinking rationally when it got him," Kit points out. "That may slow him down." She sighs. "Gubio, you, Mist, and Erin wait here. If he comes out, subdue him. Tom, you go find Miriam and make her aware of what's going on here. We may need Avatar help if our current situation escalates into battle again. The rest of us better go after that demon that's after SJ right now." The others nod and then draw their weapons while Tom dashes off and Gubio, Mist, and Erin take up guarding positions around the spot where Kaioto once stood. "A word of caution," Orion tells the party. "Hamatula do have highly developed senses, even when distracted. We should be careful sneaking up on it as much as we can." "Well, I have a spell that should help with that," Lathrop replies. He then waves his hands and makes all the Ravens with him able to walk silently and emit no smell. "Cool," Jammer grins after Lathrop has explained this. "Let's all sneak up behind the guy and then- whammo!" "My thoughts exactly," Doug smiles back, and they all nod in agreement, then begin slowly surrounding and creeping towards Dyspare as the screen goes blank once more.

**END THIS POST'S RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, January 31, 2000 02:43:18 AM
IP: pool-209-138-203-20-dlls.grid.net

*Aw-choo*
Hi guys. Sorry I haven't replied yet--I've been very busy with school and other things that have been keeping me, on top of that I have my cold that I caught while walking in the snow. Of course I gave it to chibi-Claw unintentionally, and so we're just trying to get better right now. Claw and I want to give congrats to Talon and Maggie for their up-coming extended family (actually, Claw was *quite* surprised when he heard about--he was betting another seven months.) *Counts recovered money* *notices everyone's eyes* What? OH! *blushes* Uh, no. I'm only a bet-ter when it comes to videogames. I got that money from my dad... So, Wilek, Talon, & Maggie, what're you going to names the little kitten(s)?
I have much more to say...but I'm sorry that I can't because I _need_ sleep very badly...feels like I'm going to pass out any second...anyway, I'll be back tomorrow *gulp* ...uh, hopefully, that is... Oh yeah... *starts to impatiently tap foot. Lifts an eyebrow* You joyriders aren't backing out, are you? *big innocent puppy eyes* *g*

I caught the last few minutes of Xena. Guest starring Kevin Sobro (Hercules) helping Xena save her baby from the gods next episode. Well this be interesting??

Bye all. :)
*drags herself out*
Anne
MN, USA
Monday, January 31, 2000 02:35:52 AM
IP: 209-130-164-120.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Jaden> <<Maybe when I get out of here they'll finally realize how important family is. I'm not going to hold my breath though, so far their ability to understand things that do not fit into their private worlds have not been all that impressive.>> :( That sounds awful...wish I could help in some way. <sigh>

Warpmind> <<It seems Thor was out playing last night, and as a result, the LAN server reset itself, keeping me away from IRC until Wednesday. Violent actions are being considered.>> <brandishes an iron chainstaff> I still have to pay back that piece of garbage for nuking my last computer. >:(

Mara> <<It's the hierarchy of Mazoku from the anime Slayers. I dont know who the two symbols on top are, but the diamond in the center is composed of the Dark Gods of the four words in the Slayers Universe, Death Fog, Dark Star, some guy I forget, and Ruby Eye Shabrinigdo on the bottom (the Dark God of Slayer's Earth) LON is the six sided star in the center, cuz the Lord of Nightmares (a she) is sorta a rule in herself. Connected to Shabringdo are the five top mazoku under Ruby Eye, HellMaster, Deep Sea Dolphin, GreaterBeast, Demon Dragon King, and annother who's name escapes me.>> COOL... 8) I really should start watching this...

Pistoff> <<Among many other things that are driving me out of my mind lately, my Yahoo instant messanger isn't working properly, my computer has frozen up several times recently, and now my browser's email program won't even open. So if anybody sent me an email in the last couple of days, I haven't even been able to read it. I have no idea when or if I'll be able to get this fixed.>> ACK! O_O Hope things clear up soon...did you get my last e-mail? Hm...did you upgrade to Neoplanet 5.1, and if so, is that when your mail program nuked itself? Because its mail program is acting odd on my system as well...<<I need to go find something to tear apart...>> <hauls in a straitjacketed DC> How bout this? >:)

Mandolin> <<As far as MP3s go... would anyone be interested in some from "Running With Scissors?" I've got "The Saga Begins," "Pretty Fly for a Rabbi," "Albuquerque" (which is REALLY big due to length), "Grapefruit Diet," "Jerry Springer," and "Your Horoscope for Today.">> Hm...would you (or anyone else) happen to have the PC game Phantasmagoria...?

Gside> <<Random quote from Rutgers: (overheard between two males, in passing) "Ya gotta pull it up to your bra, you toolbox.">> Gads I'm glad I've never been there...<<Herro, you wan the Chinee foo? I ha the Chinee foo. We have the e'foo young, the e'roll, genrar tzo cheeken. We alway have flied lice and fortune cookee. You no wan the Chinee foo? You order Chinee foo, I terr you. Youuuu !@$#forface.>> O_O <ROTFLMTO>

David G> <<I'm too snobish to buy tapes, because after a while the video degrades, and it's hard to read the subtitles>> I've been reluctant to buy VHS tapes myself ever since getting a DVD-ROM drive. It's just so hard to go back to analog...

Fire Storm> <<In a few short minutes, the institution known as "Football" begins the largest of it's "Games of Worship". Millions upon millions of Americans, along with people of other countries, will worship this game by offering money sacrifices of food and drink to this game.>> As a football athiest, I should be excused from this. ;D

SJ> Family troubles> Dear *gods*...You'll be in my thoughts, clan brother. :(

Katara> Car troubles> ACK! <<The car gods have cursed me, that's the only explanation I can come up with!>> After I'm done with Thor, I'll inflict horrid suffering upon the car gods for ye. >;)
Wilek Nereus
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:41:20 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

SJ>....<hugz>..hope everything works out well for you.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR......I must have the ABSOLUTE WORST luck with vehicles!!! If it's not one thing, it's another. Last week I had to have the lugs replaced on one of the wheels because a couple where seriously damaged, as well as the holes on the rim. One of my lugs nuts had come loose and let's just say that I was millimeters away from having a tire go flying off on the freeway. Then today on the way into work, I lost a whole freakin' tire tread! Scared the holy you know what outta me. My passenger rear view mirrow is busted and I have a nice set of black marks along the side of the van. Why is it these things always have to happen when you only have about 39 cents in your pocket, and even less in your checkbook? The car gods have cursed me, that's the only explanation I can come up with!
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:27:49 AM
IP: abd7644b.ipt.aol.com

Hey all. I had a pretty fun day today(despite the absence of SOROW). Superbowl was fun. My band's singer had a superbowl party after we jammed. (Chips, salsa, brownies, and tortilla soup!) It was also a pretty good game except at the end when Titans didn't win.(I was rooting for them BTW) I guess it was a pretty nice day to end one of the lousiest weeks I've ever had. (I walked around in school like a Zombie pretty much all week) So, I hope everyone's week turns out to be great, especially for those who had a bad one this week.

Katara: We can mope together:)

SOROW: Sorry for being so morose over the phone. I was half awake and don't remeber half of the conversation. love you sweetie.
JOE BOXER
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:22:56 AM
IP: spider-th063.proxy.aol.com

Darn, missed it by that much...
Zath
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:14:24 AM
IP: ppp-229-185.usc.edu

Never mind, I was 10th... :)
Mandolin
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:07:44 AM
IP: 144.175.18.81

Ninth, I think. Good night!
Mandolin
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:07:23 AM
IP: 144.175.18.81

Top ten!


Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 31, 2000 01:07:03 AM
IP: ctrts2-6.mrs.umn.edu

Top 10?
Wilek
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:59:28 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Top ten!
Anne
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:56:32 AM
IP: 209-130-164-189.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Top ten!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:44:35 AM
IP: sydnc01.bigpond.com

Top Ten!!
AotN, w/ Desdemona-chibi
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:43:54 AM
IP: fn-39-13.sssnet.com

3rd
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:41:24 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Second!
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:40:11 AM
IP: sydnc01.bigpond.com

Top Ten!
Mara Cordova
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:36:36 AM
IP: spider-we031.proxy.aol.com

Hmm, I don't know where the story is right now, but its late enough that I decided I should wipe the room. *Shrugs* It'll be up by morning I'm fairly sure.
Robby
Monday, January 31, 2000 12:35:39 AM
IP: spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com