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*enters the room wearing a WWI Aviators cap and silk flying scarf*
Sorry bout the double post, but I was litteraly on my way out the door the last time.

Stephen > CONGRATS!! *mourns the loss of another bacelor*

Todd><<Incensed at this insult to the memory of her old friend, she heads out to WB's animation studios, wipes out "Histeria"'s production team, and destroys every film copy of every "Histeria" episode >> Hehe. Sounds like a plan

*Hoists a mug of Rootbeer* This ones for you, Snoopy! *chugs the rootbeer and tosses the mug to the floor, shattering it* Say 'Hi' to that little french barmaid for us!
Uh, don't worry, I'll sweep that glass up.
Shade and Sweet water

Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 08:27:32 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Reverend Attila: nice pic...who is she? {the half woman, half cat-gargoyle}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 08:00:53 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

[Pauses to pay his respects to three greats: Landry, Hawkins, and Schultz by placing three roses - red, white and blue - on the tea table.]

It's sad to see such people go, but at least they all left together... That's one thing I'd like to see when I die, that I don't go to heaven alone.

Sad thing I feel is that Schultz set in his final contract that no one can draw Peanuts after his death. I mean, why? Sure, no one can do Charlie Brown and the rest just like Charles, but I can't stand to see a world without Snoopy and the rest...

Anyway, I wanted to pass along a little good news to everyone in here, since I consider a lot of you all extentions of my family... Today, in front of the big fireplace at the Cour'de Laine hotel in Idaho, I asked the love of my life, Andrea, to become my wife. The little one, Abbee, took a picture as I gave Andrea her ring (a gold and amathyst ensemble <winks to Spike>), and we kissed. The girl watching the lobby from the registrations desk saw it and she called up the rest of the main floor staff to tell them what just happened. I think we made her day! :)

The date hasn't been set yet, but we have told our families, and everyone is estatic for us. Now we just have to find the right place and time to have the ceremony.

Just thought to pass this along.

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, February 13, 2000 07:32:49 PM
IP: m167.ieway.com

Incidentally, this talk about Demona and Patrick Toman's mention of her TGS friendship with Nostradamus reminded me of a creativity demon that I've had off and on, about how Demona could backslide (one which TGS can't use because of our strict "no commercial references" policy, of course).

Demona catches an episode or two of "Histeria" and sees how they portray Nostradamus. Incensed at this insult to the memory of her old friend, she heads out to WB's animation studios, wipes out "Histeria"'s production team, and destroys every film copy of every "Histeria" episode that she can find.

(Mind you, I don't think that the bulk of the people here in the TGS Comment Room would hold such a deed against her :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, February 13, 2000 06:42:31 PM
IP: 216-88-191-45.dialup-stl.primary.net

Just a quick post to let everyone know I'm not dead....my sister is staying with me for a few days, so things are kind of hectic. A few comments, if you please:

Pistoff: Sorry to hear about your various woes, although I must say that your car repair bill is not so unbelievable. Forty dollars for a heater hose is somewhat pricey, but not unbelievable. Most gas stations around here charge like, sixty bucks per hour of service, so if you came out with 100 bucks, you may have been somewhat lucky.
Oh, and good luck with the guy who isn't your stalker but may become so. It's never the beautiful women who go nuts for us guys, is it? No matter how hard I try, I still can't get Tyra Banks to stalk me...damnit!

The Beach: I hate Leo Dicaprio, but I must say I'm very interested in seeing this film. 3 reasons--beautiful scenery, the potential promise of some good violence, and a really hot French babe. I may have to suffer through Leo "Look! No chest hairs!" Dicaprio for that ;)

Bruce Willis: I suppose I'm the only one in here who thinks he is so totally OVERRATED. The Die Hard trilogy was fun, and he was great in Pulp Fiction, but I honestly can't say I liked him in anything else.

Demona debate: Not gonna even get into this, except for the fact that I sort of agree with Airwalker in that I haven't liked Demona's characterization and her rehabilitation has been ridiculously too fast.
Then again, I'm very comfortable with the idea of Demona being a psycho bitch who deserves no redemption, only eternal pain and punishment. Eh, screw her. Genocidal madmen *and* women get no sympathy from me.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 05:58:16 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

RP WARNING!!!
**Vienna, Austria. Attila and Haider face off. Attila pulls out the infamous ray gun used to zap Jennifer Love Hewitt, but he has added a few changes to it. Meanwhile, the Catholci school girl scouts are battled soem of Haider's Planned Parenthood goons (I imagine all are lost now. Well, the scouts and Attila took a flight to Vienna and decided to make some changes to the government. I know this could enevr actually be true, but we rescued Pinochet and now, he will soon be back in Chile, so maybe some good will also come of this RP) and once the scouts incinerate them, Haider is zapped with a pro-immigrant blast from the ray. He has now reversed his xenophobia and instead has decided to creat a progarm of Austrianization and encourages unmarried Austrians to court and marry immigrants so they can be good patriotic Austrians. The Austrian parliament later votes to encourage tolerance of immigrants and to restore a figurehead Emperor with less power than the Queen of England or the Governor of Texas. Maximillian Hapsburg is the new figurehead Emperor and he gives Attila his millions and the Barony of Luchtenschielania, which is given to GB making him a real Baron, consisisting of a crumbling manor house in suburban Innsbruck :)

Now, Attila and the scouts head off to join the Black Ravens against Ted Turner, since the scouts have the only weapon that can vanquish him.**
END RP!!

Kit> $I hope that's fast enough for you :)I alsoo disagree with your conclusion about WWI(but that's another tale for another day), but these Hapsburgs will be powerless and will instead work to de-regulating Europe and turning it into a laissez-faire paradise.$

Thomas M.> Hello, guestbook signer. Don't worry, I odn't like buerecracy either. I'm a borderline laissez-faire capitalist and I essentially despise buerecracy and regulation, unless it is absolutely necessary for maintaining order.

Coyote> I have no idea. I just saw it at my Marketing Professor's home. He is a video collector.

Bengali> I hope your armed, so you can deal with this punk properly when he gets out. Putting one between his eyes will gurantee your safety and the safety of many women, though I hope you never run into him again.

Delphi> I think it was all the talk about Orrin Hatch and the fact that you're from Idaho taht made GB think you said Mormon. Bring on the moron test and a Mormon test if you ever get one :)

Meccord> Greetings from GBs cat :)

Demona> She just needs a few kittens :)

Snyder> Welcome. Don't worry, your Austria is safe, but an RP like that had a similar effect with Pinochet. Maybe this one will lead to Haider being nicer or something. Well, populism can be dangeorus too. Populism in the South led dangerous men like George Wallace, Huey Long, and Bill Clinton to power.

What is the Freedom party like, then? BTW, I love the Economic philosophy named after your country.

Skippy> Redneck Klingon..LOL How about you might be a crooked feline preacher if... :)

Pistoff> You have stalkers, too? I hope you didn't accidentally take one of OJ's golf clubs. You don't want him stalking you :)

Warpmind> I believe squarehead is a nickname for Scandinavain folk (especially Norweigans and Sweedes), like limey describes English and frog is sued for the French

Gside> Actually, one of GBs Finance Professors was an Engineer and a rocket scientist.

Wilek> I see. You want him to die without an heir and the family can kill each other in a war fo succession :)

Jenna> Good luck on the job hunt. Too bad, my network doesn't exist in RL, then you could managae one of my legal fronts :)

Jessie> I'd make GB offer, but he already has soemone he's staying with, and if that falls through , the next place may not be big enough either. Sorry.

Mandolin> Great news. Lucky you. Could you pick up a briefcase for me from Vinnie next time you're in NYC :)

Blue Caeru> WB meow!!!

::takes GB and XenaTrek who are too busy kissing to notice anything else and pushes lever that propels them both into Attila's suite, which includes a spa::

Sarge> It will get better. At least you're not as abdly off as I am in that area.

Christine> You should get something eventually.

cars> Thanks to Tounces, cats aren't allowed to drive now. It's discrimination.

Tim P.> <<In case anyone cares, Bruce Willis is expected to chat on MSN pretty soon today. >> Well, yippie kai-yay :p

Jim Varney> He'll be missed, know what I mean. :(

Charleas M. Schultz> Requiest in Pacem. I loved those comics, even though the main character was a dog.

Now, I'm off. Meow!! So long.
Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, February 13, 2000 04:34:35 PM
IP: 141.164.133.110

*Wipes a tear from his eye* I just heard about Charles Schultz. I guess I am going to Laminate that copy of the final Stip, after all. *howls in mourning*

*Contemplates a chibi peanuts character, perhaps one that plays the blues*
gotta run
Shade and sweet water

Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 02:34:31 PM
IP: pumpkin-f-09.mcmurray.nb.net

Quickie since I woke up three hours later than I intended and I have work to do.

Everybody re: the play> Thanks for the congratulations. I didn't think I'd get such a big part since Gail (the director) plays favorites, and a whole ton of seniors came back to audition... :) I don't know about photos - we usually just take slide photos at dress rehearsal - but I'm looking into getting someone to videotape it since Dad's stuck at a conference in Denver the weekend we perform the play.

About the Rent song, "La Vie Boheme," that Coyote posted the filk of... I have the CD, and I could probably make an MP3 of it without much trouble. Would anyone be interested? It's a great number, and even funnier when you see it performed. :)

Other stuff> The NYC trip was awesome, albeit freezing. Didn't have time to go through Central Park to re-enact "High Noon" or anything, but I did get to spend two hours roaming the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Not enough time. Saw "Miss Saigon" as well. Oh, my God... I knew what was going to happen to Kim by the time Chris's wife appeared, but that didn't diminish the impact of the musical at all. The helicopter scene was awesome, as I had been told. Luoyong Wang stole the show as The Engineer, of course... damn, the whole show was good. The only quibble I had was that while all the students were up in the mezzanine (don't get me wrong, they were good seats), Dr. Sandona and Dr. Amt were down in the orchestra! The last little highlight was when the pickup point was the Plaza Hotel, and we showed up early to look in the gift shop and just gape at the lower floors of the Plaza.

Okay, that wasn't such a quickie. Oh well.

Jewel> Read halfway through Part II, and then stopped myself because I have to do work. I was getting so caught up in it I know I would have spent the entire afternoon reading it instead of doing my assignment for tomorrow.

Jenna> congrats on the interview!

Jessie> Got your e-mail; look for a reply soon.

Okay. Time to read lots of literary theory now. Bleah. :)
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 01:34:40 PM
IP: 144.175.20.22

Kit> I'm glad someone else liked The Beach as well. The credits said they filmed the movie in Thailand right? The scenery was beautiful! And I like Bruce Willis too, he did a great job in The Fifth Element. Have you seen that?

Jessie> I was one of the only students in all the classes to actually read the whole book on time. Stupid, lazy people... But we have a big project due in March and I'm not looking forward to it.

Jaden> What?! Dare I ask if you've done that.
SOROW
Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:57:03 PM
IP: dll2a010-0363.splitrock.net

*Moment of silence for all those who have passed on*

One thing I can't help but notice... Shultz died the same day his final strip aired. Perhaps that is all he was holding out for? Whatever the case, he and all the rest will be missed.
Robby
Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:06:50 PM
IP: spider-tj062.proxy.aol.com

<Doug comes in wearing an old brown trilby hat and carrying a blues guitar, his body covered with more dirt and grime than anyone has ever seen> Hi folks. In case you didn't guess, I'm dressed like this to mourn the deaths of three great celebrities today. Tom Landry (the hat), Screaming Jay Hawkins (a blues singer who wrote "I Put a Spell on You" and was known for his bizzare vocal styling), and of course Charles Schultz. <sighs> Three truly great men, each a master of their art, whose like we may never see again. Schultz was undoubtedly the most inspiring, but each of them in their own way has helped others get closer to greatness. :) Therefore they will all be equally missed. <sits down and starts playing a blues tune on his guitar while singing instructions to a football team composed of all the Black Ravens (except Keith, Stephanie, and Kitainia) and despairing at them losing even though he's supposed to be the greatest coach. Kit flies down and holds a football for Shap, laughing as he runs to kick it and she pulls it away at the last second. (Strangely Shap doesn't get mad.) Meanwhile Keith plays a piano nearby and Stephanie leans on it a la Lucy (dispensing psychiactric help if anyone asks) and Gubio leaves the field to sit on the sidelines with Mist stealing his blanket. The tribute continues for a long time. :)>

Airwalker: Just two quick comments, then I'm gone. One, good points about the historical angle I brought in. <If you were a Gargoyle at that time in that clan, would you be spending most of your time out in the fields or in the little villages outside of the castle where the example of fast marriages are or would you spend more of your time watching people in the castle? (And if you were a Gargoyle hatchling or a Gargoyle teen at that time (like the Trio were), which would have more influence on you, a peasant life you'd almost never seen or the way things run around a castle where nobility gathered?)> Let's not forget Hudson spent a lot of time in one of those little villages with Angus, and therefore as the clan's elder his memories of experiences with human marriage would have a lot more meaning to the Trio if they asked someone who better remebered medieval times. However, they might not of course. <shrugs> Anyway, I just brought in this angle to clarify what I saw as a possible historical fallacy on your part. Gargoyles, I believe, like man, live in the present, not the past, and therefore their current feelings would probably be more important to them in planning their futures.

Demona and Reality: Good points here too. However, one thing defeats them all, IMO. That is the fact that Demona is not the type of person who decides not to care about the challenges reality gives her. Nor has she ever been. If she were, would she have ever taken her vow to destroy humanity, restored her clan to life, tried to destroy and divide against itself that same clan time and again once she found out they couldn't be allies, worked on all her schemes, founded Nightstone Unlimited, cultivated a relationship with her daughter, etc., if she was? I don't think so. Now, I'm not saying Demona couldn't be that kind of person in the future, but the fact remains- she isn't now. The arguments you raise are not ones that frequently occurr to Demona's conscious mind (if they do at all) and therefore they don't really motivate her as much as you seem to think they do. Demona is not the type to wait for reality to be more to her liking (maybe like most of the wise people in this world she long ago realized things could never be entirely how she liked), she's the sort who tries to change reality to suit her interests. Particularly all her actions on the original Gargoyles show and TGS support this. Just because Demona has the potential and resources to allow for an attitude the opposite of it does not mean it exists in her mind.

BTW, thanks again to Peter for his feedback on The Test and to Julie BM for her one sentence of praise on all my fanfics. Also glad my latest story got high stars from some readers but want comments more. Hope they're soon forthcoming. :)

That's all for now.
Doug Elder
Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:48:13 AM
IP: pool-209-138-212-96.dlls.grid.net

My comment on the other ongoing debate: Titania was secretly watching at the end of TDH... so what's to say she wouldn't have stepped in if her supposed "plan" to make Demona act had failed?

Airwalker > Your theory on immortals ignores a critical fact... humans and gargoyles are inherently social beings, regardless of lifespan. Only an idividual (immortal or not) who is prepared to accept total social isolation can ever consider running away to hide out on a desolate island until things have changed to be an acceptable solution to resolve a conflict between personal and societal beliefs.

To use another point from your arguments, Demona has "been there, done that." But it's also important to note that her years of isolation were not necessarily completely by her own choice (as, for example, Ted Kazinski's hermit-like life was). For Demona, there was also some survival mechanisms at work, and she had to be very selective about who she revealed herself to. And if we're discussing this in the context of TGS, we also can't ignore the fact that she did NOT live in complete total isolation for the entire 1000 years. She occasionally made connections and yes, even friendships, with some humans she crossed paths with (such as Nostradamus) - and that _proves_ her inherent social drives are still firmly in place.

Being alone is not something Demona ever enjoyed or ever will enjoy... that much was even clear from what we saw at the end of "City of Stone." Given the opportunity, both through Angela and her new dual life as Dominique Destine, to develop new family relationships and friendships, it seems perfectly reasonable that she would make every effort to pursue and maintain those ties. Not only that, but is difficult to imagine that she would intentionally decide to just throw it all away, and go back to living the life of isolation she so seems to despise.

This is what I meant when I stated that, like it or not, Demona is just like anyone else. She may be immortal, but she still has the same subconcious wants and needs any human or gargoyle has. She doesn't want to be alone. She wants acceptance. She wants to love and be loved. These are powerful forces, especially when denied for long periods of time... and Demona's denied them for a very long time, indeed.

"And in this moment, I need to be needed
With this darkness all around me, I like to be liked
In this emptiness and fear, I want to be wanted
Cos I love to be loved
I love to be loved..."

-- Peter Gabriel
Patrick Toman
Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:43:15 AM
IP: 98cf7d52.ipt.aol.com

***Kyryn comes in and sees the post about Charles Schultz having passed away****

To quote a beloved character: "Rats!"

***Kyryn leaves to consider many fine memories of a boy and his dog***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:36:08 AM
IP: denm2-12.iglobal.net

Gside > "METATHESIS!!"??? ... What??! :P

Caliope > Man! did I laugh a lot when i read that Tito Trinidad comment!! ^_^
I most say, it is rather fitting for your dog to be named Tito. Waaaaaay better then Chencho! Any day!!! :P

Ja ne! ^_^
Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:09:25 AM
IP: t3-ce-1.centix.net

Starsinger comes in and places a mug of rootbeer in front of the funny looking dog with the big black nose sitting in the corner. She raises her mug in salute to Charles Shultz, dead of colon cancer. Thank you for many wonder moments Charles may you find your little redheaded girl in your new life.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 06:08:25 AM
IP: proxy-553.public.rwc.webtv.net

New mp3: The first time I heard the last song was on the Muppet Show, so I present the Muppet Show theme (Bari sax!).

Bengali> <<My best wishs to you>>: Thank you.

Alex Destine> [timestamp Saturday, February 12, 2000 07:59:42 AM]: METATHESIS!!! :)

Caliope> <<Español>>: ahh.
<<Typo Queen>>: Have you met Green Baron (apologies), from current evidence, he tends toward small errors.

Wilek> You have never played Mars at the appropriate volume (or with an inordinate amount of subwoofers).
The other two are a totally different type of mood changer. One is based on a hymn ("'Tis a Gift"), the other is just fun (I'll eventually get to it in mp3).
It is relatively to find the complete Carmina Burana. Interesting note: in my Latin class, it was extra credit to bring in a copy while we were translating O Fortuna (like the moon/you are changeable,/ever waxing/and waning)

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, February 13, 2000 02:25:40 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Just a quickie. I'll read the rest later.

Jaden: <This had better be the game to end all games>
Hey, one of my favorite games (Outpost) was delayed 18-24 months before it was released.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 02:12:00 AM
IP: t3-99.visitus.net

My God! You know that game that I've bee waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for to come out? Well it just got delayed...till MAY! I swear that is almost a year past when it was supposed to be out. This had better be the game to end all games. The one that you just have to play over and over because you can't get enough. If it isn't I'll, well I probably won't do anything, but STILL!

Bengali- Los Alamos is where I live, that post put my name over to the right for some reason that baffles the mind.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 13, 2000 01:29:12 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

**RP!**

[Wilek looks worriedly down at the hangar bay where the emitter has been powered up, hoping it doesn't kill the sole human left on the battlefield. "Man, how bad have I messed up *this* time...Does anyone know if that thing affects droids?" Khesaat: "It doesn't, not unless they incorporate organic components." Wilek: "Then...maybe you'd better send one or two in to get that guy out of there?" Rho: "Exactly what I was thinking." With that, he proceeds to order a team of medevac droids to the hangar bay...]

**END!**

Gside> <<How about Holst's Mars, Bringer of War; The Band's Life is a Carnival; Orff's O Fortuna from Carmina Burana; or Copland' Variations on a Shaker Melody from Appalachian Spring?>> Well...Mars is a bit quiet for my liking and I've never heard Life Is A Carnival or Variations On A Shaker Melody, but yeah, O Fortuna is incredible, as is much of the rest of Carmina Burana (I was fortunate enough to find the whole thing at Borders, and some of it is wonderfully twisted). :) Another great piece along these lines is Consumite Furore from Phantasmagoria (of which I was lucky enough to find an MP3 at my name link last night and DC was lucky it downloaded on my second try, or he'd still be looking for all his pieces). ^_^ Also rather nice is Liberi Fatali from Final Fantasy 8 (available on the MP3 page I linked to in my last post), In Father's Name (or something to that effect) from Soul Calibur (available from www.soulcalibur.com, I think) and a whole lot of the music from the Cirque du Soleil.

Sarge Abernathy> <<I heard they are coming to a toon channel....wjhat channel are they coming to?>> Toon Disney; a newish channel Disney's created for its animated shows. Unfortunately they also show The Goliath Chronicles and are in the habit of editing eps of the main series, and I've heard they still refuse to show Deadly Force (what, because of a little puddle of blood? Even Sailor Moon has that every now and again). :/

Rodlox> <<what if a Fae can only draw on so much power at a time-place? {excepting conditions on Avalon, i doubt that there's fountains of mana/energy/what-have-you lying around}.>> Hm...ley lines? It's possible that the crossing points of ley lines provides the Fey with their power outside of Avalon (and further possible that Avalon itself is the origin of the lines). Perhaps, the closer they are to such a crossing point, the more efficiently they can use their magic? Or perhaps they simply have to 'recharge' there every so often? Of course, I know jack about these kinds of things...

Jewel> <<Better far far far behind schedule than never, I suppose...>> That's been my motto for quite a while now. ;) Of course, my creativity divas don't like it at *all*...I'm dodging them right now, in fact; if they knew I was here instead of slaving away over Netscape Composer, they'd--[Just then, a life-form in a jet-black encounter suit hovers in and snipes, "We'd *what*?" Wilek: "Ah...Grand Admiral Celien. Interesting to see you here." Celien: "And infuriating to see *you* here. Have you completely forgotten the new story?" Wilek: "Which one? You people have me working on at least two. One of which, I might add, has little to do with my main fic series." Celien: "It matters not. The Council has spoken; these tales must be told." "The 'council'?! What, three measly Psyll, only one of whom has the common sense the Maker gave a paramecium, and it *sure* ain't you or that power-tripping autocrat Grand Pontifex Unagi!" Celien: "We are far from 'measly', gargoyle; we are your *gods*. The Council's decision is final: You will work on the Blair Chronicles until you manage to get the main series back on track. We recommend you spend less time slacking off in here and more time completing your tasks. Don't fail us again." With that, he hovers off.] <sigh> Sometimes I envy the rest of y'all; your creativity whatevers seem to be a *lot* easier to deal with than mine...
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, February 12, 2000 11:54:44 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Hello, Hello!! :P

Alex.....uh....no?... :P

Gside> Español, chico! Of corse I cant maneg to spell right in either language :P I'm not the Typo Queen for nothin'! :P

Thanx again everyone for the name suggestions. They were all really cool, but My family didnt buy it, they're a little too conservative and I AM the black sheep of the family. They did however enjoy my Tito Trinidad idea, see as he is a boxer dog :P So we'll proabably end up calling him Tito.....better the "chencho"...thats what my dad was calling him! :P *L*

OK! Gotta get! See yas!!!
Caliope
Saturday, February 12, 2000 10:04:11 PM
IP: proxy.coqui.net

Fanfic Plug Alert!!!

I just posted part two of "Götterdämmerung," "The Drawing of the Seven." <g> Better far far far behind schedule than never, I suppose...
jewel
Saturday, February 12, 2000 09:38:59 PM
IP: abd31477.ipt.aol.com

Airwalker: okay, maybe you're right...or both of us are....what if a Fae can only draw on so much power at a time-place? {excepting conditions on Avalon, i doubt that there's fountains of mana/energy/what-have-you lying around}. {the ep where Oberon put the city to sleep could be explained as Oberon "packed his bags" -- rather like a chipmunk stuffing their cheeks.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 12, 2000 07:37:35 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

**A single particle of light enters the room. The light grows and morphs into a dragon roughly the size of a school bus. Mecord sits its the back.**

Sarge>> A breakup is never easy. Unfortunately, I don’t have much of a social life. I consider you lucky to have a social life that brings a problem like that. I have faith in the human ability to adapt and grow and I think you’ll be fine. Your situation reminded me of a movie about a breakup. It’s called “Better Off Dead”. Ever see it? It’s a good comedy though I can’t remember the actor’s names.

Mandolin>> Congrats on the lead. There’s a Fiddler on the Roof production going on here. I had a lot of people tell me I should get involved (mostly because of my singing talents) but it’s just not my favorite play. Best of luck; tell us how it turns out!

The elfshot issue: I do think I remember in one of the stories saying that the elfshot has little or no effect on the Fay. I think it was originally designed to not only poison and kill mortals, but to prevent any other Fay from curing, healing, or in any other manner, saving the wounded mortal. I do however suspect Lady Titania had a lot to do with nudging Demona into saving Elisa. Knowing Titania, she may have foreseen such an occurrence, and may have been guiding Demona to that point all along, which may account for Demona’s much debated reformation. This is just speculation, but one never knows when it comes to the Fay.

Lastly, Toku Kaioto’s last post included a RP. It has inspired my imagination to join the fray. Hope no one minds. In role-plays one never knows what might happen next, but I’ll don’t expect to disrupt things too much. So here it goes.

**** RP ****

A dragon and its Elven rider appear in the hanger of the Avatar of Ganon. Almost immediately some unseen force besieges them. Contorted in pain, the dragon drops to the deck.
“Celtinea gintar!” yells Mecord in the draconic language. A protective shield encircles them, the pain recedes, “Bardic, where are we?”
“Not far from earth. There must have been some kind of dimensional disturbance here that prevented our passage,” the dragon replied.
“Great, the Masterthief is going to kill me. Can we leave?”
“If the disturbances continue, it could be dangerous.”
“What is that?” Off to one side, a shimmering distortion hung in the air. As they watched, it flickered in and out of existence. Its aura of magic was incomplete. Most likely the creator of the portal was killed before he could finish the portal. It was unlikely anything could pass through it. Looks like they found their dimensional disturbance. Only disturbance wasn’t a strong enough word for what happened here. Bodies littered the deck, hideous and evil bodies. What had happened here, and were there any survivors?
“Over there,” Bardic pointed his talon, “Someone is still alive but his aura is fading.
They moved to the survivor. The magical shield moved with them, covering Kaioto as they approached. Kaito still held a giant axe between his hands, though he had collapsed. Next to him was the largest and ugliest monster Mecord had ever beheld. “What the devil? Is it regenerating?”
“Marginally, but its aura is almost gone, it will not survive.”
“And our friend here?”
“I don’t know. If we used magic to heal him…”
“Impossible. You know it’s dangerous for us to use the magic here and our personal reserves were depleted in that failed heist. It’s taking more effort than I care to admit just to hold this force field.”
“The magic of your weapons?”
“I may yet need judging by the looks of this carnage.”
An unearthly scream shattered the quiet. Mecord turned to see something twice his size and shrouded with a ghostly shadow fall out of the partial portal. To escape its agony it began to tear a hole in the hanger floor. Once it had ripped it’s way to the deck below, it descended.
“Whoa. Something strange is going on here. I’m going to find out what,” he grabs his two bolt crossbow and a long slender sword, “You stay here and watch over our friend. Now take control of the shield.”
Bardic took over the spell and Mecord ran for the hole in the floor. Feeling the pain wash over him, Mecord fought for every foothold. Finally, he stumbled into the hole and dropped to the deck below. He really didn’t want to meet anything powerful enough to rip a hole like that. But he had to find out what was going on.
Meanwhile Bardic was indignant. I’m over 900 years old, he thought, I am no stranger to controlling strange magic. To experiment he shrank himself to the size of a horse. The experiment left him gasping and struggling to maintain the shield. See? I can do it. Though he didn’t think he should try it again.

***RP ends***

See ya later.

**Exeunt**

Mecord
Saturday, February 12, 2000 06:58:31 PM
IP: usr57.mtwest.net

Well just a quick little postie here-

I wont be on line until Monday after this- we were switching phone companies, and the phone company we were going to got the date mixed up, as did the one we were with- result- we have no phone this weekend. :( But in a way this is good, because it forces me to work on my writing, which I am way behind in.

My interview went awesome!! I have a second one too- the company is right up my alley, and it sounds like I'll be doing basically what I did before- which if fine by me! :)

Don't have a lot of time for responses, so here are a few quickies-

Skippy- your Klingon redneck was hilarious!!!

Pist--- I think maybe a restraining order or something would be the order with this freak. I hate to hear things like this--hope the B goes away soon.

Bengali- man, that must have been scary as hell!!! Glad you came out ok, and yes, 15 yrs aint long enough.

Demona Mae- like the drawings of Damion--

TGS discussion- haven't really the time to contribute now, but I like the way it's going. Can't complain.

Until we get connection --

Laters

^_^
jenna
Saturday, February 12, 2000 06:15:23 PM
IP: public01.hpl.lib.tx.us

ChibiDrama::

Xelloss smiles, happy and cute to the point of annoyance. "So you want to compare swords. ne?"

Death opens his beak to answer but stops realizing the heavy induendo involved and the eagnerness of the two females for such a competetion..

"No" He says finally. "I just want to kill you." Xelloss waves him off.

"If your singing won't kill me, nothing will-"

"Hey, his songs were GREAT!" Ventura exclaims, correcting him as she nuzzles her cheek against ChibiDeath's armor. "Two GREAT songs."

Sweatdrops all around.

Hyena looks to Xel. "So what did you have in mind?" She asks, her sharp metal fingers slicing through his cloak. shirt, and no doubt the skin underneath. A few jets of black liquid... something akin to blood only by the vaguest of similarities run down, staining the yellow turtleneck before he heals, the seam of his clothing closing up as well.

Death makes a face. "Icky."

"No." Xel smiles. "Kinky. You're icky."

Death pounces Xelloss and they begin wrasslin' on the floor,
both female chibis cheer with bloodlust.
Mara Cordova
Saturday, February 12, 2000 05:49:53 PM
IP: spider-to068.proxy.aol.com

RODLOX - You wrote: [Maybe Titania could do that easily {compared to how hard it was for Puck} because she is/was another level of power entirely?]

But she is still bound by the same rules as Puck. He mentioned in POSSESSION that soul transferences are tricky and require voluntary parcipation. The power level is kind of important in how fast and how well the job could get done (Titania, being a higher power level could probably have transfered the souls faster than Puck although considering that it only took a few seconds for the souls to actually move their new bodies in POSSESSION, there really wasn't a great need for more speed) but the uses of her powers are still limited by the same rules that govern Puck. If he required voluntary parcipation then she requires it to.

If their isn't a single set of rules for all the Fey to work with (and be frustrated with as well) then use of power gets too easy. They can just use their powers anytime instead of being forced to think of a way to get around Oberon's roadblock. And second of all it makes feeling for the Fey characters very difficult if not impossible. Titania could save the Coldduo but not Elisa? Why? If she couldn't help any of them then it could be chalked up to Oberon's rule and a lack of imagination. Not much that can be done about that. You could even feel for her a bit, that she wants to do something but can't. But if you can help one but not the other, then it's a visible choice. She could help the Coldduo so she should be able to help Elisa. That she doesn't is her playing games with life. She took a gamble with Elisa's life, hoping that Demona would do something. Who is to say that Demona would have taken action? This action doesn't make me as a reader have anything more than contempt and disgust for Titania. How different is she from the Unseelie the clan just defeated if she acts in such a manner? If the dying person were a descendant of Alex so far down the line that he or she was completely human (and one which she has a close family relationship with) and was in the same situation, would she have done something or would she have played games with life then too?


DOUG - You wrote: [<I'm beginning to understand now why this room tends to fill up so fast. :-)> That's good. Maybe now you'll complain less about some aspects of it. :)]

Maybe. On the other hand..... Nah. I think I'll still complain about it. :-)

You wrote: [Apparently according to history most of them weren't long because of any agreement or tradition on the part of the people involved, but rather because they were necessary with the times. Noblemen such as Prince Malcolm had their marriages arranged down to the date, and thus they could easily be engaged for years and never know whether or not the person was right for them. Then there was the fact that people lived all over the place back then a lot more than they do now, and travel was long, difficult, and dangerous. In addition, long engagements were really only popular among the nobility. The peasant classes of the time lived together in villages and didn't have to worry about how a marriage would impact their social standing as much as nobles did, so they had fewer barriers to marriage. Their engagements were naturally shorter as a result.]

But when dealing with Gargoyle clans, particularly the Wyvern Clan, you should take into consideration that they lived mainly at the castle around the noblity. The noblity might have snubbed them but at the same time what would be the most obvious examples of weddings and love to a Gargoyle living at a castle?

If you were a Gargoyle at that time in that clan, would you be spending most of your time out in the fields or in the little villages outside of the castle where the example of fast marriages are or would you spend more of your time watching people in the castle? (And if you were a Gargoyle hatchling or a Gargoyle teen at that time (like the Trio were), which would have more influence on you, a peasant life you'd almost never seen or the way things run around a castle where nobility gathered?)

You wrote: [Oh, reality has ways of making people care, believe you me. For example, Demona might not have cared too much that her clan were really against her enough to abandon her quest because of them. Her daughter's a different story.]

On the other hand, if she didn't change fast enough and her daughter rejected her even for a short time, who's to say that wouldn't be enough to drive her beyond the point of caring? In TGS Angela for the most part hasn't rejected her out of hand or had a fight with her that reached the point where she didn't want to talk to her for a couple of days. What if she did? Demona might seem balanced but she's not. All she needs is something huge (to her) to throw her off to one side or the other. Angela's relationship has sort of thrown her over onto the good side. What if she and Angela fought? It could throw her over to the bad side (though I wouldn't say to the villianous side - she can't go back to plotting the doom of humans or killing off the clan - but there are other ways for her to slide into the bad side without going that far). Reality could try to make her care. But she's not sane. She's not insane either. She's semi-sane. If reality tried to make her care, why does she have to react in the same manner as any normal person would? Why does she have to feel it if reality tries to make her feel what's going on? She could always just insulate herself further, into the point where reality could do anything and it wouldn't matter because she would be beyond it all. Situations can reach such an extreme. And when your dealing with an unstable element like Demona, who is to say what she would define as an extreme? The way things work for us don't work for semi-sane immortals.

You wrote: [Sooner or later it throws us a new situation for which we weren't ready and thus we have to care about it.]

If I was a rich immortal and I didn't want to care anymore, if I didn't think I had a reason to care anymore, what's going to make me? Persecution? I can disappear for a few decades and then reappear anytime I want. Time will deal with my enemies. If Demona suddenly had no more reason to care, all she has to do is put some gold and jewlery in a suitcase and take a plane out to some private island in the Pacific. In four or five centuries reality will be more to her liking. And if it isn't then again who cares? With all the time in the world, all you have to do is wait. Nothing lasts forever. If she doesn't care about anything around her then all she has to do is wait for it to go away and for something else to take its place. Civilization doesn't matter. If she doesn't like this one, another one will pop up a thousand years down the road. Reality can't touch someone with that attitude and with the resourses that would allow such an attitude to exist.


PATRICK - You wrote: [Demona isn't an exception to that... as hard as it is to accept, she's just like anyone else.]

I think that this might be key to this debate. You see I don't think that she is just like anyone else.

She is immortal. Now that might just translate to someone as just a slightly longer lifespan than anyone else but that life would more or less remain the same in terms of behavior for that person. I don't think that is how it is. For the first few years it might be like that. But after a century or two immortality would change a person. Not in that they wouldn't laugh at something they found funny or that they wouldn't cry at something they find sad but in that what they would find funny and sad would change radically from what it would be for a mortal. Her responses should be radically different from everyone else. She's seen and done a thousand years worth of things. When she hears a joke, there shouldn't be immediate laughter as a mortal would do upon hearing a good joke. Instead she should have the attitude "been there, done that, heard it already". She might smile upon hearing said joke but it would just get her thinking about the past about when she first heard the joke, about how many times she's heard the joke, which would only cause her to retreat from whatever conversation she was in in which she heard the joke to begin with. Immortality is sometimes a blessing and sometimes a curse. When it's a curse, it hangs over anyone who has it. It makes them creatures different from whoever they once were and whoever they are associated with, unless it is with other immortals.

(And I believe that if there were other immortals that they would go out of their way to avoid each other. Once in a while they might meet but it would be too painful at first and eventually just not interesting enough. Immortality is a lonely existance. Even in a room of Immortals an immortal is alone.)

Demona should be permanently bored and permanently unable to really connect with anyone. She's seen too much to really be suprised. (I'm not saying that in a battle or in a similier situation she couldn't get suprised - but in that case it's kind of like watching one of the early Jason or Freddy movies. It's old enough that it just isn't scary anymore but when Jason or Freddy jumps out completely unexpectedly, you might just jump a little, and then laugh later on that something so lame made you react a bit.) She has a survival instinct in that she knows when to hold them and she know when to fold them as the old saying goes. She knows how to react when someone attacks her or when she has to attack. But immortality gives the comfort that no matter what, she's always going to get up. There are no worries in the long term, only in the short term.

Then there is the isolation and persecution that she has undergone in the last thousand years. Isolation is unavoidable for an immortal but as an immortal Gargoyle living in a Europe where there were fewer and fewer Gargoyles every year until one day there were none left (to her knowledge), it's a million times worse. She should be uncomfortable around anyone. Even when Angela visits Demona should try to react as she thinks she should, as a mortal should, but still in action have some sort of gulf exist. There is just too much space between them. That doesn't mean that there wouldn't be any feelings between the two of them or that they couldn't have a relationship but it could never be anything that two mortals would have. Even in animated conversation Demona should seem alone. It's just the legacy of immortality.

And all of this is what she has to deal with before we can even get to the fact that she's nuts. And even dealing with that there is the guilt and other baggage she has. Considering all this, how can she ever be considered to be like anyone else?
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, February 12, 2000 05:42:25 PM
IP: 159.new-york-30-35rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

In case anyone cares, Bruce Willis is expected to chat on MSN pretty soon today.
Tim P.
Saturday, February 12, 2000 02:00:09 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Well I'm back on line after a night of just moping around the house. Thanks to all who sent messages of kindess and everything. I appreciate it!

I analyzed what happened and ugh....I know I am not ready for relationships yet. When she asked me out I didn't have the courage to say no, even though i knew I wasn't ready. It wasn't until a week ago that I realize that I wasn't ready. So from the advice of my friends not to continue leading her on, I stopped it. It was tragic...

and stupid at the same time. In the heat of nervousness I said the worst line. " I am just like my mom."

Someone KILL me!

Fortunately I repented and she said it was okay she understood that I was breaking up for the first time. So now it is the weekend. She sad an' everything and we have to brave History class and a couple aftershool clubs together. fortunately my friends tell me that the akwardness will go away.

Sigh........At least i feel better than yesterday.



Gargoyles-- I heard they are coming to a toon channel....wjhat channel are they coming to? I never got to tape Vows or the episode where Angela meets the Loch Ness........

Fan-fics-- Finnaly after NINE months my story is posted at the Beast Wars Site.

Fan-art-- I FOUND BROOKLYN! yeah!!!!!


Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:57:58 PM
IP: spider-tq022.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind>Yep, I've taken quite a few martial arts and self defense classes, I'm a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, though I've only had to use it once. I'll try the Modern Amis, it sounds like it'll work well. As for Xanatos's wedding, I agree that it may have been bit rushed but it would've been more interesting if he'd gotten a chance to talk to a few members of the clan,like Asrael or Thersites.

Mandolin>I dont see Macbeth having any sort of respect for Macduff, Macduff was, in Gargoyles history, Duncans general and was the man that knocked Macbeth off his horse in thebattle of 1040 and later, when Macbeth and Duncan were fighting, tried to attack Macbeth. As for Lennox, he was never on the show so I'm not quite sure how he would fit in. And about getting the lead...CONGRATULATIONS!

Gside>Thanks, I just hope he gets what he deserves, a great deal of pain. My best wishs to you.

Wilek, Thanks, I hope he dies a really painful death over there.

Kitainia>Thanks, your health is in my best wishes too, Dont worry, my friend already got the verbal haranguing.

Los Alamos>Actually my fingers did get stung twice, they hurt but I like this place and the people so I keep posting.

Bye!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:08:30 PM
IP: spider-ti041.proxy.aol.com

Jessie > saw it, and went off on one of my rambling tangets as usual ; ) Anyone interested can take a look over at http://www.s8.org/cotsb/index.html, the Curse of the Shadow Beasts comment room.

Christine
Saturday, February 12, 2000 11:03:46 AM
IP: krldb107-31.splitrock.net

Jessie> just a thought.... we ended up with 5 people in our room at G'99. We were able to rent a rollaway bed and put it between the two regular beds when we went to sleep and then put it up and to the side during the day :) It worked out great!
Did you get my email? My server email account has been screwing up lately >:

XenaTrek> the package arrived!! Yipeeee!! Thank you sooo very much! Denis and I have already chosen some things to do from the brochures :) I'm making copies of the brochures and sending them to others (from Mini) too.

Well folks... Anna spent the night with us last night. So far, so good. We took her out for supper and then did some shopping afterwards. It was very nice having my family back together - even if just for one night. I think she's still going thru a *reality shock* right now after discovering that she no longer has any items in this house.... at least not where she can see them ;) If she checks the attic, she'll discover her entire life long possessions up there. *chuckles* She flies out tomorrow for Missouri. I'm still cautious and apprehensive, but I hope that she takes this opportunity and becomes successful in starting a new life. I'm taking her to the mall to find a new pair of shoes - there's snow in Missouri and it's in the 70's here O_O I don't think the slippers that she's been wearing would be appropriate.
I'm not going ape-sh!t buying her things, but just enough to get her started until she finds a job, etc. The longer she stays in Missouri and as long as she makes the honest and sincere effort, I will increase my support. But, if she stops - I stop.
Ohboy... tough love is just as difficult on the rent as it is on the child! O_o Actually, I think it's harder on the rent.
Heh, as it's been said in here recently... (and I have lived by this for many years now) "this too shall pass"
Jannie
Saturday, February 12, 2000 10:05:28 AM
IP: 168-171-196-105.academicplanet.com

Delphi > HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!.. that was so cute!! ;P
keep those funnys coming!

Caliope> ^_^ Just make him a collar with the letters LOKI REALLY BIG!!!.... then whenever u mention his name just say "read the tag!!!" :P
just a thought....
take lots of pictures NOW while it's still a puppy and adorable :P later it will be a gigantic Aminal! :P
yeah, u know.. an AMINAL!!! :p
Ja ne! ^_^


Alex Destine
Saturday, February 12, 2000 07:59:42 AM
IP: proxy2.coqui.net

COYOTE - Dude, that was... interesting. :) I'm going to have to see this RENT to see what all the hullaballoo is about.

CHRISTINE - Boy, DMS really has a thing for Jericho! :) Sorry to hear about the recent rejection, but here's hoping you'll score with the next one. And as for RadCon... well, that might depend on what Andrea wants to do. Money's still tight, but we'll see about getting out to make a lunch or dinner date.

MANDY - CONGRADULATIONS!!! <Big Bear Hugs!> Please tell us someone will take pictures... must see! Must see!!! :)

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Spokane, WA, USA
Saturday, February 12, 2000 03:25:08 AM
IP: m115.ieway.com

**RP Here**
~ A rocket launcher to your opponent's head is generally a good time to get your weapon back ~ Kaioto observed, dashing to collect his discarded sword. By the time he'd readied his weapon, he observed the Bloodthirster sniffing the air around it.
It was hurting, but it was still the most deadly killing machine he'd ever encountered on Earth. It wasn't going to let a little thing like losing one of its senses keep it from its prey. The ax started swinging again.
Even with such reduced accuracy, the Bloodthirster possessed some of the best blind-fighting techniques the Seeker had ever seen. Every footstep he made on the deckplating attracted the Kaioto a swipe. The Bloodthirster was even lashing its whip around the deck, turning the Seeker's dodging attempts into some twisted version of double-dutch.
Still, technique was technique, and it became rather predictable. A ferocious double-handed swing of a Masamune katana blade severed the Demon's whip.
The Bloodthirster stumbled back, roaring in pain, as if the whip itself was part of its person.
Taking that moment to gain his bearings before striking, a single thought ran through his head ~ were is everybody? ~
…
~ Last demon at least ~
The Seeker shrugged and rushed forward at the Bloodthirster. It seemed especially disoriented … strangely so …
~ Never question advantage … take it. ~
The Kaioto charged in, heedless of the sudden pangs stirring in his stomach and muscles.
He raised his blade high and made ready to leap … and fell to his knees, clutching his innards and screaming in agony.
**Pause RP**

Demona Debates: Lot of great discussion going on in here.

The one thing that I always like to bring up when we talk about Demona's character-development and such: Time and experience do not necessarily grant wisdom.

A personality like Demona's is riddled with character-flaws which inhibit her growth both mentally and spiritually.

Her solitary nature is a ~HUGE~ drawback to her ability to learn and gain understanding. Social creatures like human's and gargoyles have one of our greatest strengths gained from our ability to acquire multiple perspectives and reflections in interacting with others. In her isolation, Demona has rendered herself unable to use this strength in her own growth.

Demona's inability to assume responsibility for her actions has not changed in 1000 years. This means that she's been using a mental defense mechanism to fight off an important aspect of learning through experience. Experience is often deemed the best teacher because it ~ forces ~ us to adapt our actions and thought patterns. However, defense mechanisms often allow us to miss-remember our experiences or pervert the obvious lessons they tried to teach us.

I think this is inevitable in Demona's case. She might be able to adapt some of her skills, but she's not been able to adapt her mental and emotional states properly. She's simply sunk further and further into her defense mechanism of hatred-denial. The lessening interaction with gargoyles and loved ones over the years has likewise retarded her ability to achieve positive growth on emotional, social, and spiritual levels.

Now that she's been able to find things that reinstall social components into her life, her 100 year or so aged heart and soul is trying to catch up with her 1000 years of experiences. Certainly, reflection with her changing perspectives will allow her to glean more and more out of her experiences. Her emotional growth may indeed advance faster than a normal person because she has a lot of experience to review.

The one thing I find that makes Demona such a non-overwhelming villain in the original series is that she doesn't grow well in her experiences. I also see her accelerating movement towards personal growth as reasonable in TGS. Tapping previously damned-off parts of her psyche and heart will allow her to better benefit from her 1000 years of experience. All the experience in the world isn't worth piss in a bucket if you don't reflect on and apply it properly.

Pistoff: Wow. I'm sorry for your car troubles, man. Makes me thank God for public transportation. You won't be able to get me away from the Mass Bay Transit Authority any time soon. Having a car around Boston is like a curse … As for this stalker-guy … thank God for blunt objects in ready reach …

$RP Note: I figure having a near death experience was a good enough excuse to toss out a little Limit Break I invented for Kaioto a long time ago. ^_^$

**Resume RP**
Someone had once explained the inner workings of a microwave to Kaioto years ago. This must've been what it felt like to be left-overs.
His eyes felt like they were about to explode, his vision bury. He could barely hold himself together, his ki bending away the worst on the energy from the interphasic resonance field's bombardment.
What was worse, the demon's shrieks of pain were lessening. This Bloodthirster was truly one of Khorne's elite demons, refusing to discorporate even under the most hideous wounding. It was already going numb to the pain, the blurry shape straightening up to fighting stance again …
It was then that Kaioto felt like his entire stomach imploded. Vomiting a copious amount of his own blood, the Seeker couldn't spare enough energy to even move. Somewhere, in that sliver of his mind removed from pain, he realized an ax was going to fall. Even as his consciousness began to drain away, that sliver of mind gathered itself in prayer, asking forgiveness for what would in a moment be his final act of failure …
The demon's thought rang in the depths of Kaioto's retreating thoughts, ~ Wretched mortal, yours was born to death. Resign yourself to an eternity at the foot of the Blood-god's throne … and die. ~
The ax whistled down at the kneeling human … and then stopped.
Two hands clapping together caught the edge of the ax blade a centimeter from cleaving the Seeker's skull. A limp neck snapped up, two eyes glowing with a menacing white aura. While the aura began to creep across the sagging, broken body, an echoing, haunting chorus of voices speak from the bloodied mouth of the human.
"You first."
**End RP**

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Saturday, February 12, 2000 02:36:48 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Coyote-Taking a car back for the same thing again and again. I've done that a couple of times. First time...They always thought that it was a simple problem that they could fix in 5 minutes their time (5 hours our time)...Second trip, they begin to believe that the problem might be more complicated so they do a quick look and "fix" what they think is the problem (another 5 hours); and finally third trip for the same problem, they are certain that the costumer is about to shoot them so they check everything till they find the problem and then they fix it (an all day job). If you count all the times I've spent in the waiting area it would probably add up to days!

Bengali-It's a good think that your fingers didn't get stung. Posting would be hell then.

Sorow-At least your hand never got stuck in a bowling ball that mistakenly thought was yours. :P

Caliope- Give me some time to think up a list of names.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Saturday, February 12, 2000 02:27:04 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Hi all!

Ooh, I just saw "Being John Malkovich." _Very_ fun movie. :D

Christine > I mourn the ending of an era, and look forward with great anticipation to the future of your stories. Keep writing 'em, and rest assured I'll always be reading 'em. :) Oh, and I've got a question in the COTSB CR.

Aaron > <<Only two roomies? Crud. I need three: Me, Jenna, and her mate Mike. If anybody else is looking for roomies, we're listening.>> Well, the thing is, I may be bringing my lil rookery-bro along, too. We wouldn't mind sharing a room between five people, but I'm not so sure how others would feel about that. So I'm trying to plan to be safe. However, if you guys don't mind sharing between five people, maybe we can work something out. :)

SOROW & Joe Boxer > re: Scarlet Letter--I had an English teacher in high school that was madly in love with Hester Prynne. Seriously. Heh, he brought his parents (Who are both about 70) to the Demi Moore movie version, assuming it was going to be a nice adaption of the book. Of course, they were mortified when they saw the glorified bodice-ripper Hollywood made it into. Actually, I was gonna be Hester for Halloween a couple years ago, but I couldn't find a Puritan enough dress. :(

Mandi > congrats on getting the lead! I sent you an e-mail about the Gathering.

Hey, those of you who were having the conversation about the Vikings (Warpmind...Rodlox...uh, brain hurts, can't remember who else) --Ever seen a movie called "Erik the Viking"? Funny, Monty Pythonesque (written by Terry Jones, I think)...stars Tim Robbins as a Viking who wants to end Ragnarok. Eh, you probably don't care either way, but the discusion reminded me of it. It's funny. My favorite character is Sven the Berserk.

Hmmm...can't think of anything else to say, so i'll just say good night.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 12, 2000 01:28:02 AM
IP: ctrts3-3.mrs.umn.edu

**RP HERE- BE FOREWARNED**

"Doug!" Kitainia yells, running up to her significant other just in time to help him take out a group of gibbering horror demons. "Wilek's about to use some ultimate demon-killing weapon on our foes here. We need to get ready to beam out fast!" Doug listens to her and then nods. "Right, I'll tell the others." He pulls out his radio and speaks into it. "Attention all Ravens. The room is about to be flooded with some form of mass destruction. Break off combat and prepare to be beamed out. Now." "Ah, come on, Doug!" Jammer whines back. "We're just starting to have fun in here!" "Yeah," Tom adds. "I want to kill some more demons!" "Guys," Gubio groans in response. "Strategic retreat, okay? I have a feeling we'll meet more demons soon. Let's have Wilek kill the rest of these!" "Oh, alright," Jammer and Tom both sigh, provoking exasperated mutters from the rest of the good guys. "Good work," Kit tells Doug, then rushes over to Kari and SJ, who have just extracted some info from Dyspare. "Guys, we need to get out of here," she quickly tells them, in her haste not noticing the red glow in SJ's eyes. "Prepare to be beamed down to the guest quarters deck, okay? Don't worry about the demons, Wilek's going to flood the hangar with a weapon that can kill them soon as we're gone. Bring that little one along for questioning if you want, but just get ready to depart!" She dashes past them and around several mobs of hamatula and other demons still in the hangar, looking around to make sure everyone is making a fighting withdrawal in preparation for being beamed out. Just then Kit spots Shauna and Kaioto, who are dodging the Bloodthirster's mad blind axe-swings. Great, she thinks. They're in too much trouble to withdraw, I better do something. Rapidly the half-garg climbs atop a nearby stack of crates and then fires her rocket launcher into the Bloodthirster's neck, destroying its collar and momentarily stunning it. Kit glides down and grabs Shauna by her cloak as the massive demon slumps over, carrying her friend to safety on the sidelines. "Go back and get Kaioto!" Shauna yells as she is set down. "Hurry! If that thing comes back to life again and kills him..." "Kaioto?" Kit interrupts her. "Wasn't he trying to..." "He's on our side, Lisa," Lathrop insists. "He was helping me, and Shauna too. Go get him out of here now." Kit frowns and is about to turn and do so when beams from overhead teleport all the Ravens out of the hangar. "Wilek!" Shauna shouts immediately. "Not so soon! Kaioto's still in there!" "Whoops, sorry," Wilek groans. "I hope he can survive what I just set off!" The Ravens all sigh, watching the demons remaining in the hangar get engulfed in a volley of laser fire via a screen on the wall of the room they've appeared in. Many begin praying for Kaioto's life.

**END FIRST HALF RP**

Hey everybody. <waves> Well, today was a pretty good one. Only bad parts of it were the amount of homework I've been given for the weekend, and the news of a 72 on one of the tests I took Tuesday. I wonder if the fact that I'm really enjoying the course in question can help make the low grade easier for me to take. Doubt it. <sigh> Other than this, today was good. It provoked many ideas in my mind about which I want to comment. :) So here goes.

**SPOILERS WARNINGS FOR THE BEACH, ANGEL, AND BUFFY**

SOROW: <nods> I agree with you about the Beach, it was a truly excellent film. The script was good, and I thought Leo did well in his role even if I hate him as a person and an actor. Good preformances by the other stars as well, and I liked the morals of the film. Only disturbing things were the lack of development on most of the characters, and how the plot got a little too confusing and lighthearted at times (Doug was laughing out loud at the Leo-videogame scene, but I merely rolled my eyes). Overall, I'd probably give it a 8/10, hope that the movie we're seeing next week with an actor we despise is better (the movie in question will be The Whole Nine Yards, we like its plot and Bruce Willis, but hate Matthew Perry. I guess we'll have to tolerate him though. <sigh>).

Buffy and Angel this week: Liked both new episodes of the show, though Buffy's was way better. The Angel one had some good character development on Angel and introduced a cool new character, but I did find myself agreeing with Doug that she and her enemies were a bit too cliched (hope they get more development to dilute this in the future), and that it's more of a good story for Angel to help the people of this world than those of others. Overall the ep had a nice plot, but was mostly uninteresting to me, and that weakened it. :( Hopefully next week's will be better. Buffy's episode was great in more ways, I really enjoyed the character development on Buffy and Riley, the Spike subplot was well-written, and there were a lot of good comedy bits such as the ionized-hair scene that had me laughing out loud. The plot was good as well, and I liked the development on Adam, Walsh, and the Initiave (hope a cooler villain replaces Walsh soon, I liked her a lot while she was around but her character was getting a bit bland). The Willow and Tara development was good, but I didn't like how their relationship was just shoved in the background. Going to the other side of the Ellen extreme in relation to doing a bisexual character subplot can be just as bad for a TV show, IMO. <sigh> Oh well, great episode overall. I look forward to next week's and its surprises.

**END THIS PATCH OF SPOILERS, ON TO REPLIES**

SJ: Snow days, huh? Lucky you. :) Thanks for your wish of luck, sorry it didn't really pan out on one of the exams. Oh well, maybe it did on the other. We'll have to wait and see. <grins>

Mandi: Congrats on getting the lead in your play. Put good work into it, okay? I'll be praying it turns out well for all. :)

Car Woes: I sympathize with all who have been feeling them lately. My motorbike, the Road Moccassin, has just had a large dent in its side fixed and it cost nearly $600. At least none of the innards were damaged (nor is my mechanic the type to charge for "fixed sabotage," thank God) and I can ride it again now. <shakes head> If I ever find the guy who caused the damage by backing into my parked bike, he is going to be royally sued. Hope all your vehicles are equally fixed soon, keep me up to date on the situation, okay? :)

Bengali: <no bee hive can keep me down.> That's good to know. :) Nevertheless, your health will remain in my good wishes. Congrats on finding that friend of yours, hope you gave her the appropriate verbal haranguing for running off like she did and not including you in her fun. :( I agree with you that Xanatos should have had more involvement in the Wedding, and that TGS should have somewhat modified its treatment of Macbeth in the mentioned episodes (though they were very good on their own).

Welcome to Mecord and all other newcomers. Hope you enjoy your stay. :)

Jenna: I too am keeping my talons crossed for you. Congrats on the interview and good luck.

Angela and Demona Debates: Good points made on all sides of these in here so far. Don't know how I can contribute to the Angela one except to say that for some couples who are really in love and truly meant for each other, engagement begins at the moment they realize their feelings. Therefore, Broadway and Angela can be said to have been engaged from their kiss in "The Journey" right up until their wedding- three years. Long enough of an engagement in my book. :) And perfectly okay for the circumstances, considering the eight months it had been since Talon and Maggie's wedding and the danger that had just passed over the clan at the time. (BTW, Lexy, gargs do have mating ceremonies. Read the last few eps of DA or the wedding episode in last season's main Gargoyles series for examples. I can see why you'd think they didn't, but it really isn't so if TGS is any indication. :) As for the Demona deal, Airwalker has made especially good points and brought up an interesting issue in mentioning Demona's subconscious. I know from my studies in psychology that the subconscious can be a powerful influence on changing a person, unless one ignores it (which is possible). Demona's subconscious, IMO, contains not just her sense of rationalization, but her guilt for everything she's done in her life, the knowledge that she is the one responsible for her problems, her loneliness, and the remnants of the gargoyle named Angel whom she once was. I personally think that Demona has probably been ignoring her subconsious for the past thousand years and now with all the shakeups in her life, especially the revelation of Angela's existence and their relationship, its feelings are being brought back to the forefront and actuall influencing Demona once again. Undoubtedly a good thing. :) I don't really want to contribute to the debate any more than this except to say that I agree with Doug about most of Demona's general development and the fact that interesting stories are definitely still ahead for her, and I agree with Patrick on how she's been handled in TGS so far (personally I like what's being done). I also agree with Airwalker that a backslide is possible and am very interested in seeing one at some time in the near future. As for the clan's reaction to Demona changing, I also agree that it's a bit too soft, but good reasons have been established for why it is so.

Mr. Thrugg: <nods> That treatment of Mulder has ticked me off in the past too. Hope it declines in the episodes of X-Files remaining. Good points about Brooklyn's character, I pretty much agree with them also. I've never really seen any of the Trio as a comic character, they all are that way to some degree and thus none should be given the overall label of it. Hope TGS takes this under consideration more in its next season, and also finds some way to cheer Lex up. :)

Scooby and Josie Movies: I used to like the characters these films will be based on too, and now I have a feeling I'm going to have to sour my opinion of them thanks to Hollywood. <sigh> Oh well, at least Rachel Leigh Cooke will be in the Josie one. She's a good actress and should be nice to watch, even if she deserves way better roles. :(

Green Baron: $ Yes, I am very busy. :) Hope you won't concentrate on that Austria subplot too much, I may despise Haider a lot but I agree with the Austrians in here that we should let them handle their country's situation, even in the RP. I also personally don't like the idea of a Hapsburg taking over Austria again, their regime was quite autocratic and responsible for starting World War 1 too. In any case, if you're going to go after this subplot I hope you get through with it before we have to take on Ted Turner in the main RP action. You brought him in as a villain, you should be there to help take him out. :) $

Coyote: <mutters angrily> That old guy is obviously yet another senior citizen in this world who seriously needs some sense knocked into his head. Good luck dealing with him and your other job woes. BTW, thanks for the cool filk. Hope to soon see more good writing from you (you know what I mean, right? :).

Pistoff: Good luck to you in your job troubles too, hope you don't go crazy with their expansion. As for that stalker, I too hope you can somehow handle him. I've had to deal with similar jerks myself in the past (mostly I've done it how Bengali's handled hers, kudos to you on the good job, Ben), and it's never fun (though when it's over, it is somewhat relieving and gratifying). If you need any help from me with the situaion, I'll be glad to give it. Just drop me a line. :)

Jewel: Congrats on finishing your latest fic, I can hardly wait to read it. Make sure the story gets posted soon, okay> I could use some entertainment in my study breaks this weekend. <grin>

Spike: Thanks for the Virtual Gathering info, I can hardly wait to start attending it next weekend. Hope things aren't too crowded and yet appropriately fun. :)

**moment of silence for Jim Varney** You will be missed, Vern. Very much so. Have fun entertaining the other people wherever you are, know what I mean? <forced grin>

Sarge: Sorry to hear about your breakup, good luck getting over it. I know from experience how hard it can be. If there's anything I can do to help let me know. For now, you're in my prayers. :)

Blue: Welcome back, and thanks for the good TGS Comments. I agree that having a lot of characters involved has made some things turn out less than wonderful, but that's understandable considering that the task is being handled by such a small group of dedicated writers (how Doug manages to accomplish a similar task all by himself I'll never know :). I too will never cease appreciating the TGS Staff for their efforts and the great things it's produced.

I guess that's about all to say for tonight. I'll talk to everyone in here again soon hopefully. Later, people. <waves and leaves>

**RP RESUMES**

As the battle on the Avatar finally comes to a forced end, in Los Angeles, Asil is communicating with Thailog. "I am now ready to carry out my mission here," she tells him. "My troops have been briefed on the plan, and we have procured and prepared the necessary equipment. Very soon the operation will be underway." "Good," Thailog nods. "Make sure nothing remains of the building in question once you are finished. If you need more resources..." "I shouldn't," Asil interrupts with a chuckle. "Though if my accursed sister and the Ravens should show up, I expect that spy you told me you had Alchemist put in them to aid me as much as he possibly can." "That will go without saying, I'm sure," Thailog replies. "Very well then, Asil, good luck to you. I shall continue preparing for our world conquest while you accomplish your job." Asil nods and smiles as the communication ends.

**THIS CONCLUDES THE RP IN THIS POST**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:38:02 AM
IP: pool-209-138-213-37.dlls.grid.net

More of Demona May's "Damien" illustrations, and she promises me there are still plenty yet to come!
Posted that letter about my decision to move to spin-offs.
Find it all at http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html or clickie.

Lexy > I'd be glad to help with your project; feel free to reference my Gathering reports, and I'm always ready for an interview! ; )

Mandi > way to go! Break a leg, girl!

Updates > the agent-quest continues; another rejection, and an invite to send the entire manuscript. No new stories pending; I posted my entries for the Internet Reunion the other day. Next weekend, I will be attending RadCon in Pasco, WA, and they've got me signed up for a panel on "Horror and Romance." Going to be fun! Hey, Stephen, are you and your ladies going to swing by for a day?

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:34:23 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Wilek> <<You wouldn't believe how much the right song can do to improve your mood>>: How about Holst's Mars, Bringer of War; The Band's Life is a Carnival; Orff's O Fortuna from Carmina Burana; or Copland' Variations on a Shaker Melody from Appalachian Spring?
<< <blink> [Elfshot] doesn't work on elves?>>: I thought it was that what iron is to fay and man, elfshot is to man and fay, respectively.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:33:17 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Rodman News: Here's the story from the paper..
http://basketball.dallasnews.com/mavs/29860_11mavslede.html

Another interesting thing on my name link. The downright funny statement by Bob Larson about how Satan attacked his family with a DEER! Yes, deer. It had to be Satan, it couldn't have anything to do with living in the mountains of Colorado.It's a Real Audio clip so you'll need that plug in to hear it...
Skippy The Klingon
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:25:33 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-23.ultravision.net

And of course the name link doesn't work. <mauls DC> Well, here's the page it can be accessed from, anyhow...
Wilek again
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:05:13 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Bengali> Stalker> ACK...<shudder> I'm glad he's in jail; with any luck, he'll die there...

Warpmind> <sees the newborn chibi> Aww...I believe its cuteness is sufficient to rupture the space-time continuum; better set up a few subspace anchors... :) <<Concern for children? What has gotten into you, man? ;)>> A momentary lapse in twistedness. Pay it no mind. ;)

Thomas> Welcome! :D Surrender your sanity to the jar in the corner, and join the madness...<<About "sick of looking into a baby carriage and seeing some foreign child grinning up at me", i watch our Jörg Haider a lot now but where did you get this ?>> Um...someone else in the CR reported seeing it somewhere, I think...

Xanathar> Welcome back! ^_^ <<Fleur and I are going to work on a revenge RP together(The power companies have kept us both away from here,it's time for payback>:) ) >> <ehehehehehehe> This looks like it's going to be fun... >8D

Airwalker> <<I don't think that anything magical could act upon the soul itself unless the person in question allowed it to. Whenever something having to do with the soul showed up in GARGOYLES, the soul itself was never harmed or manipulated. It was beyond the magic that was being used. At most it could only have been moved, and even then it required explicit permission from the person in question.>> Hm...hadn't thought of that...<<That lack of permission could have been a loophole for Titania in dealing with Elisa except for the fact that she didn't ask for permission from Coldstone and Coldfire either.>> Perhaps a loophole--a person can't very well deny permission for something s/he doesn't know about? ;) (I'm probably wrong here, though...)

Aaron> <<A moment of silence for Jim Varney, aka Ernest P. Worrel. He succumbed to cancer this morning, and I feel like a piece of my childhood went with him.>> I heard about that. <sigh> And I liked his movies too (well, the two I've seen anyhow, Ernest Goes To Camp and the Beverly Hillbillies remake)...He'll be missed. :(

Sarge Abernathy> <<I broke up with my first girlfriend today and I feel like shit. I dunno why, it was just because I felt akward and I knew that it wasn't meant to be. I feel crappy and I just needed to vent out rage or grief or something. I'm so distraught I can't type anymore.......>> Oh *man*...words seem so inadequate for this. :(

Mercord> <<You’ll have to pardon my ignorance for being new, but what exactly is a chibi?>> Perhaps we should have an explanation of this as part of the official CR rules. ;) A chibi is a small, cute, anime version of a character from a TV show/movie/video game/whatever you like. They're fun to have but a little unpredictable. (Ever since I got Chibi Edea, I've noticed a lot of people being turned into small animals. Odd, that.) Oh, and for some reason Chibi-Vega only speaks Spanish. I don't, and none of the other chibis do. He has to use InterTran to communicate with us. He sounds chillingly like Supercow.

Delphi> <<a freind sent me this great email called PUNishment and I can't pass it up. (My daughter's told me I had to stop laughing so loud-they couldn't hear their show!!!) So, I hope you all don't have any ripe fruit around...>>

Mandolin> <<Wilek & Mecord> I know Shenandoah University has a pretty good Music Therapy program...>> Music therapy? First I've heard of it...sounds like a kewl idea though. You wouldn't believe how much the right song can do to improve your mood (especially One-Winged Angel <name link> from Final Fantasy 7, which is one of the best songs ever). :) <<I GOT THE LEAD!!!!!!!>> Congratulations! ^_^

Gside> <<Would that imply that the fay have no souls?>> <blink> It doesn't work on elves?
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, February 12, 2000 12:02:27 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Coyote- Nice filk! I hunted for a midi so the CR could hear how the song went, but the closest I could come was "La Vie Rose". Oh well. *Shrugs*
Robby
Friday, February 11, 2000 11:37:00 PM
IP: spider-we014.proxy.aol.com

Completely off-topic post, but I'm about to crash and I literally screamed when I saw the cast list.

I GOT THE LEAD!!!!!!! **runs around giving everyone cybercookies and candy and other sugar-containing confections**

That's all. Good night.

**Mandi promptly passes out.**
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 11:32:40 PM
IP: 144.175.20.22

Hello to all! Just a quickie...
The Beach> I just saw it. I was expecting a lot of crap from Leonardo DiCaprio...but the movie was great IMO! I thought all the actors did a wonderful job and I liked the plot and the scenery. Maybe I'm also just a fan of bloody violence, I don't know. But go see this movie!

Sarge> Ah, sugarbooger! If she wasn't right for you, then it's just life working its magic. Here's a big kiss from me and we love you *KISS*
SOROW
Friday, February 11, 2000 11:07:22 PM
IP: dll2a020-0764.splitrock.net

Rodlox> Nails, hair: As far as I know, the only part of hair with recoverable DNA is the follicle. I tried looking for more specific info, but hey, its the internet.
http://www.keratin.com/aa/aaindex.shtml (This was the most promising, but didn't see it say the actual composition of dead hair)

Caliope> <<Now your playing on my typos>>: Sorry, but as I said, I am a pedant ("a person who is too interested in formal rules and small unimportant details").
<<english is not my first language>>: And pray tell what is?
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Friday, February 11, 2000 10:58:31 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Gside> Whay man?! Now your playing on my typos!!! :P j/k I can always play the "english is not my first language" excuse for my typos! hehehe :P

Elisa> Wow...I feel special...*sniff*....what a good friend you are....*sniffles*....*smacks Elisa* Woohoo!!! :P

Thanx everyone who sugested doggie names, they were much apreciated! i shall now make a list and bring it before the council (family) and await their verdict! Thanx again!!! :)


Caliope
Friday, February 11, 2000 10:10:07 PM
IP: proxy2.coqui.net

GSIDE - About your question on whether fay don't have souls: interestingly enough, in the medieval period and the times afterwards, when people believed in the faerie-folk, they also often believed that the fay didn't have souls or any sort of afterlife, and when they died would just stop existing altogether. We haven't come to a decision over whether that's the case with the fay of TGS or not (partly because the whole question of afterlife and souls opens up a big can of worms), though. (If that is the case, though, then that means that Madoc's completely gone, with not a trace left - of course, I wonder if even he deserves such a fate).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, February 11, 2000 09:25:54 PM
IP: 216.87.46.209.dialup-stl.primary.net

Gah... see what happens when I stop checking this room for a week or so... I miss a whole Demona debate. But I saw Todd mention my name, so I thought I'd at least better read a bit and see all what's going on.

I don't think I'm going to get into a lot of detail on my thoughts on TGS's handling of Demona right now... I don't have that kinda time. But I _can_ say that I still feel the pace we followed was reasonable, and that the ways Demona changed make sense if one applies a little psychology and looks at it in whole - as opposed to disecting each and every event and analyzing it in a vacuum. "A leads to B resulting in C" reasoning doesn't always work in trying to determine what's going on in someone's head. The way we interact with our fellow beings at any given moment can be affected not only by our life experiences, but our state of mind at that point in time... our wants, needs, and desires. Demona isn't an exception to that... as hard as it is to accept, she's just like anyone else.

I'd also like to take a moment to clear up one other point. By no means was I soley responsible for the way Demona was handled during the first two seasons of TGS. There were plenty of other staffers involved - Kathy Pogge, Earl Allison, and Jeniffer Anderson (in season two) come to mind immediately. But it seems it's my name that gets brought out all the time... and I guess that may be because I was simply one of the most vocal people about the subject on the staff. And I volunteered to write a lot of the "Demona stories" out of that same passion for the character. She fascinated me in her complexity (and she still does)... and it was definitely a challenge to craft those stories from what were sometimes the briefest of outlines.

So now that I've managed to sit here rambling for 15 minutes longer than I had planned to... let me just close by responding to one more little comment that caught my attention:

Airwalker wrote: "I would love to see what Demona's reaction would be if Andrea saw her transform at sunset."

I can point you to one version of that if you'd like. In fact, anyone who wants to see an interesting take on that topic, visit the fanfic archive at gargoyles-fans.org and look up an author who writes under the name of "Madame Destine." I'd post a link to her author listing if I could, but the way that archive is set up to recall files doesn't lend itself to that... but don't let that stop you from seeking out the listing and checking out the several TGS-inspired fics she's posted.

And with that little bit more insight into how one retired TGS staffer spends his web-surfing time outside of the 50 hours per week he is confined to his cubicle... I sign off for now. :)
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 11, 2000 09:16:54 PM
IP: abdbf337.ipt.aol.com

nails {finger- and toe-} are composed of dead skin cells, the same as hair.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 09:14:59 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

GB: > Re: You forget to kiss me ::grabs her and kisses her:: >> *grabs GB by the collar and plants him with passioned kisses* I'm sorry darling... could you forgive me? You owe me some chat time. Drop me an email when you get a chance, I miss talking to ya.

Re: Colds/Flu >> Speaking of colds/flus... my co-workers and friends seems to be dropping like flies as victims of these cold/flu bug. Fortunenatly for me, I have been lucky so far, *knocks on wood*. (Even though I hung out with one of them all day while she was fighting the bug, and I still haven't caught her bug). Must be the OJ, I drink about a half gallon a week, I guess they *really* do work.

Talk to you all later.


XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Friday, February 11, 2000 09:05:05 PM
IP: spider-tj062.proxy.aol.com

Rodlox> Ozymandias: I only said that he should, not that he did.

Wilek> <<They're more like very sour beef>>: I've heard pork.
<<maybe [elfshot] acts upon the soul itself>>: Would that imply that the fay have no souls?

Bengali> stalker: Many good wishes for your fortune and other wishes for his pain.

Airwalker> <<even a clipped toenail>>: As far as I know, depends on how closely clipped. As I remember, nails are just chitinous material, not actually composed of cells.

Delphi> puns: And for the bandos:
What is a tuba for?
One and a half by three and a half, unless you order full cut.

CtB> Here's to us!
Who's like us?
D@!# few!
And they're all dead!
Sorry, I was channeling Boos Miller (Want some rye? 'Course ya' do!)

If you remember, I had a creativity demon a while back about how Macbeth was Falstaff. I have come up with a correlary to that. Dingo's name is Henry Monmouth, same as Prince Hal. So, since Macbeth was Hal's advisor in my version, he would become one to Dingo (and Bad Guys by extension).

Also, I remembered an mp3 I wished I could have shared over the death of Jericho. It is "Tweeter and the Monkey Man" by the Traveling Wilburys, for the chorus (as I heard it): "And the walls came down all the way to Hell/ I saw them when they're standing there/I saw them when they fell."

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Friday, February 11, 2000 08:51:03 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

**enters wearing a peculiar white and blue striped scarf, pulling out a piece of sheet music with multiple parts and hands them out to the assorted chibis in the room**

By popular demand (of Mara-ko), and to commemorate her posting of her Gargified "Rent," part 2 ... here's a filk of a number from the show, performed by all of our respective chibis ... and don't ask who's singing which ... I don't even know. :)

Anyway, here goes ...

"The Gargoyle Way"

based on
"La Vie Boheme"
(J. Larson)

Dearly beloved
We gather here to say our goodbyes
(Dies irae, dies irae)
Here she lies,
Not one human cares
The great ideal of those who glide the air
On this night when we celebrate the birth
In that little town of Bethlehem
We raise our glass,
YOU BET YOUR ASS
to
The Gargoyle way ...

To days of Vikings, Vandals, fighting Hakon
Fighting soldiers of all enemies
The need to attack, to eviscerate
To going against the Pack,
Getting a name, getting slammed

To magic spelling, no telling where Latin's gonna lead you
To mad immortal Scotsmen,
Hating attention, the building tension,
Not to mention of course,
Clocktowers and traffic jams

To gliding high at midnight through the clouds and stars
To scars
To studying cars
To ancient jars!
To disks, to taking risks
To homemade motorbikes!

To fae mirrors and tricksters
Without any chains.
The Gargoyle way ...

To castles above all the clouds that you can see
To ray guns, to raids done on fortresses three
To loincloths, to wing spars
To tails with dirty tricks
To leaping off ledges and clawmarks left in bricks

Corruption, destruction, to ducking past construction
Genetics, fanatics, semi-automatics
Stone humans, no humans, to Puck's undying pranks
To hammers, to handguns, to shrinking Hunter ranks

Hudson, Brooklyn, Goliath and Lex!
Broadway! Bronx!
Angela!
To arrests!
To Clan Ishimura!
New Olympia
Too!

Why Goliath and Elisa took the skiff to
The shores of Avalon's way ...
The Gargoyle way!

BROTHERS!
Praying gargoyles, DI-7, carrier viruses,
The Grimorum, the Phoenix Gate and
The Eye of Odin,
Xanatos, the Renards, Jackal and
Hyena, Fox and Wolf and Dingo teamed with
A bunch of
Coyotes

To villainy, to victory, to vicious irony
Queen Titania, Oberon and the Sisters three
To our pain, never dying, it's all the same
To all the mutates!

To masonry, it's between Jon and me
They're stone by day!
The Gargoyle way!


"The Gargoyle Way B"

based on
"La Vie Boheme B"
(J. Larson)

YEAH!!

To flight!
Genetic engineering, wings of bats and fur and zapping losers with
my electricity, making friends, finding a lover!

Stone!
he cure for all that ails, no worries, cuts and bruises gone, the wounds of fights
by morning gone and I'll soon glide again!

Fighting!
Criminals, the fairies, superhumans, anything that threatens New York City
it's our area protectorate.

Family!
Clan together, waking up from longest slumber,
one thousand years, castle rises
spell is broke, we live again!

To gargoyles, mutates, faes, Olympians too!
To me! To me! To me!
To you and you and you, you and you!
To guardians living with, living with, living with, living with
Not killing off their Clans
Let he among us with no soul
Be first to turn away
from The Gargoyle way!
The Gargoyle way!
Everyone gliding the night sky! (The Gargoyle way!)
Does anyone know what it's like to fly? (The Gargoyle way!)
Everyone who stands with a wingspan (The Gargoyle way!)
Take to the sky
You think I lie?

The opposite of crime isn't law
It's protection!
The Gargoyle way!

VIVA THE GARGOYLE WAY!!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, February 11, 2000 07:59:18 PM
IP: zzz-209252248172.splitrock.net

*feels guilty*
Sorry about the double post, but I didn't really mention that I appreciate the TGS staff for their efforts. They're basically devoted volunteers/fanatics (;-), and I admire how they've stuck to the task of creating/writing an entire series (or four!). Not being appreciated is one of the worst things I've ever felt, and I don't want anyone else to feel that way.
Blue Caeru
Friday, February 11, 2000 07:49:15 PM
IP: spider-wl072.proxy.aol.com

BLUE CAERU - The reason why we currently have so small a staff is that a lot of people have had to resign due to RL pressures and we haven't yet had a recruitment drive. (We also get a little uneasy about recruiting a lot of people because that could result in a smaller audience).

Lennox and Macduff are the two Scottish thanes knocking at the castle door during the famous Porter scene. (Macduff's also the guy who kills Macbeth in the play).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, February 11, 2000 07:42:11 PM
IP: 216.87.46.140.dialup-stl.primary.net

**RANT WARNING!**

Okay... know how I was talking about the spring play? Well, the director PROMISED to have the cast list posted today since first rehearsal's Monday. I have to be up at or before 5 tomorrow to catch the bus to New York City, and will not return til 1 am. For the first time since my first tryout, I have NO clue what, if any, part I'm going to get. (I usually try out for little parts that not many others have their hearts set on.) So I checked maybe five times today. At 7, it still wasn't up. I gave up, got the switchboard to call the director off-campus for me and asked about the cast list. She was about to type it up... and her son would drive it over around 10:30. 10:30! Arrgh!! I might just hurry over in my pajamas to find out, since it'll probably keep me up otherwise. And if Charles is late...

**END RANT!**

Lexy> Check your e-mail. :)

Jessie> E-mail me; I won't be able to reply til Sunday, but maybe we could room together.

V-Day> Yeah, I know... **blinks** Oh. Wait. Dave. I only qualify as "semi-lonely" since I technically have a boyfriend. (Just won't see him until, oh, March since we're both carless at college.) The endless deluge of Valentine's Day garbage still annoys me - not due to being lonely, but since so much of it is tacky. Still, if the Hood post office's distribution center loses whatever Dave's sending me for V-day, someone's gonna die. (They have a reputation for losing stuff.)

TGS criticism> *sigh* Some of it is quite valid, some of it is far better than I'd expected, but some comments make me wish people could see the kind of stress the staff is under to plan out, write, edit, and finalize episodes. (Rahsaan: I'm trying to work around RL now. I haven't vanished. Really.)

Bengali> <<Yes, but If he had hated the play as mush as TGS has him hate it, why would he have chosen the name "Lennox Macduff?">> Since I wasn't on the staff when this was decided... it could be owing to a rather bitter sense of humor. Perhaps he found the choice ironic. (And in the actual history, what roles did Lennox and Macduff play, I wonder? Could Macbeth have reason to respect the two men as they really were, not how Shakespeare portrayed them? I don't know.)

Doug> It's no problem. Just being a pain. :)

Wilek & Mecord> I know Shenandoah University has a pretty good Music Therapy program... a good friend of mine planned to major in that there until her parents and a misunderstanding shot all that to hell.

All right, I need to get my laundry done before N&A comes on. Good night, all!
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 07:25:52 PM
IP: 144.175.20.22

Hi all
Pistoff>>hope the new pizza hut is better to work at then the old one was.

green baron>>MORMON?? I could have sworn i typed in MORON, now I suppose I'm just going to have to go back to that post and see what I typed

Skippy>>red neck KLINGONS!!!RLOTFL

I'll post that MORON test next time, a freind sent me this great email called PUNishment and I can't pass it up. (My daughter's told me I had to stop laughing so loud-they couldn't hear their show!!!) So, I hope you all don't have any ripe fruit around......

>HOW DO CRAZY PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE FOREST?
> >>> > >THEY TAKE THE PSYCHO PATH.

>WHAT DO FISH SAY WHEN THEY HIT A CONCRETE WALL?
> >>> > >DAM!

>WHAT DO ESKIMOS GET FROM SITTING ON THE ICE TOO LONG?
> >>> > >POLAROIDS

>WHAT DO YOU CALL A BOOMERANG THAT DOESN'T WORK?
> >>> > >A STICK.

>WHAT DO YOU CALL CHEESE THAT ISN'T YOURS?
> >>> > >NACHO CHEESE.
>
>WHAT DO YOU CALL SANTA'S HELPERS?
> >>> > >SUBORDINATE CLAUSES.

>WHAT DO YOU CALL FOUR BULLFIGHTERS IN QUICKSAND?
> >>> > >QUATRO SINKO.

>WHAT DO YOU GET FROM A PAMPERED COW?
> >>> > >SPOILED MILK.

>WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU CROSS A SNOWMAN WITH A VAMPIRE?
> >>> > >FROSTBITE.

>WHAT LIES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN AND TWITCHES?
> >>> > >A NERVOUS WRECK.

>WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROAST BEEF AND PEA SOUP?
> >>> > >ANYONE CAN ROAST BEEF

>WHERE DO YOU FIND A DOG WITH NO LEGS?
> >>> > >RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT HIM.

>WHY DO GORILLAS HAVE BIG NOSTRILS?
> >>> > >BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIG FINGERS.

>WHY DON'T BLIND PEOPLE LIKE TO SKY DIVE?
> >>> > >BECAUSE IT SCARES THE H@!! OUT OF THE DOG.

>WHAT KIND OF COFFEE WAS SERVED ON THE TITANIC?
> >>> > >SANKA

>WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HARLEY AND A HOOVER?
> >>> > >THE LOCATION OF THE DIRT BAG.

>WHY DO A PILGRIM'S PANTS ALWAYS FALL DOWN?
> >>> > >BECAUSE THEY WEAR THEIR BELT BUCKLE ON THEIR HAT.

>WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BAD GOLFER AND A BAD SKYDIVER?
> >>> > >A BAD GOLFER GOES, WHACK, D@##. A BAD SKYDIVER GOES D@##, WHACK.

>WHAT DO YOU CALL SKYDIVING LAWYERS?
> >>> > >SKEET.

>WHAT GOES CLOP, CLOP, CLOP, BANG,BANG,CLOP CLOP CLOP?
> >>> > >AN AMISH DRIVE-BY SHOOTING

Delphi, peeks around the corner, and waves good-bye
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, February 11, 2000 07:19:24 PM
IP: twin57q.magiclink.com

*drops from the ceiling onto the floor of the CR, sighs, and gets up*

Greetings, everyone. I've basically been a fly on the wall around here lately because my brain is too addled to post anything that sounds intelligent. I've been enjoying the debates/discussions about TGS and the characters. Just about everything's been brought up already, so I suppose all I have left to say is that having such a large ensemble cast makes writing difficult. Also I, like everyone else, have a couple things like "I feel that this character was just a tiny bit too rushed in doing blah" or "I wanna know more about that," but overall I have been pretty happy with the series. Waiting for the new season causes a few creativity demons to pop up though. :-P They just keep bugging me when I let my mind wander, but I never have the guts to try turning my scenes into actual stories. Ah well. On to the few replies I remember...

Christine> Wow, "Damien" really surprised me, but I think you've heard that enough already. I'm sorry to hear that you won't be writing any more fic about the "original" Gargs characters, but I am looking forward to reading about the adventures of the "next generation" of Gargoyles. :-)

Lexy> Nice seeing you again. :-)

Fleur> Eek, sorry I haven't emailed for a while. <:-P

TGS staff> Forgive me if this has been answered already, but... Out of curiosity, why exactly was the staff so small?

Marriages in TGS> Well, I have to agree that there seems to have been an awful lot of love going around lately, but as someone mentioned earlier, that sort of thing tends to be contagious especially when the people are frequently in dangerous situations. Almost makes things in TGS too tidy (the personal relationships anyway), but I expect the staff'll do something to throw a wrench in somewhere. ;-) I can't help it, angst makes for such a good read sometimes, not that I'm an overly-emotional type who reads a lot of love stories.

Well, I guess that's all for now. Hope everyone has a good weekend.
Blue Caeru - [BlueCaeru@cs.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 07:09:28 PM
IP: spider-te082.proxy.aol.com

**Mecord slips in through a window looking a little charred. A wisp of smoke raises from a smoldering jacket.**

The defense systems on that last Guild job were intense. Not to mention the four fire salamanders! Anyway, can’t stay too long, just wanted to make a couple replies.

Archwolf>> Music Therapy? Afraid I don’t know too much about that one in perticuar, but I do know that USU is top notch when it comes to music. If only the English program were as good….

Gside>>< She doesn't really have controll of [spending more time as a human than a gargoyle]. Perhaps she has been concentrating more on that area of her life.> Sorry, I should have been more clear on what I meant. Your right, she has been concentrating more in the area of being human. It just seems that during the last season we would see Demona more in the office than at night. She has to sleep sometime, and she seems to be doing it at night. It’s almost as if she’s getting used to her human side. But knowing Demona’s personal feelings towards humans in general this trend will probably change. It will be exciting, I think, to see how she develops in future episodes.

Um, one more thing. You’ll have to pardon my ignorance for being new, but what exactly is a chibi?

Well, gotta go *opens window* For all those who are having troubles, at least you don’t have to steal a magical tooth from the back of a hungry behemoth’s mouth. :) *Flips a tooth in the air, makes to catch it and stares in horror as it bounces out of his hand out the window.*

I hope we’re not to far up. **jumps out window**

Mecord: the one time dentist
Friday, February 11, 2000 06:38:21 PM
IP: usr22.mtwest.net

Doug- Do gargoyles _get_ married? I was always under the opinion that they just fall in love..hang around eachother alot cuz they are in love..and when the breeding season hits if they are still together..naturally they breed. I dont think there are actuall steps like in a human realtionship. Such as for us,

we meet
we like what we have and stick around
after a long sticking around we make a decision weather or not to stay together
pick a date and marry, then (some ppl) plan for children or not

Gargs on the other hand seem to be more intense and carring. One of the reasons Goliath's was in denile for so long over the loss of Demona was because gargs usually take ONE mate. For most ppl today that would be almost impossible (sadly)
Gargs dont just JUMP at other mates (leaving the trio's reaction to Angela out of this!;)) They are alot more honest..and they have a close nit clan. So chances are likly youve known who ever it is for your entire life or know someone else who does. So its not a big mystery. They seem to just find that they have more then friendship feelings to give, then..the line is grey..they do 'date' as we would call it..but it dosnt have so meny steps involved since they are pretty sure by the time they date the person that they WILL end up with the person..they just know eachother too well and are to thoughtful in the process. I guess the average gargoyle relationship (this ofcourse dosnt include meny of the ones WE have seen;) would go like this..

They live in the same clan and grow up together

They come of age and see their brothers and sisters in a new light

Find that they enjoy being around so and so..and if they are still together by the time its mating season..well then..they will most likly mate

its all kinda a grey mesh. But if you think about it..if we grew up with a group of 30 or 40 and knew everyone like the back of our hands..wouldnt it be pretty obviouse? Would you really NEED to do a whole lot of detective work after you decided to date? I just dont see a need for it. *shrugs* I guess..Goliath and Demona had that lil informal ceremony with the pheonix gate..but we know thats not the norm. We as humans make a BIG butt deal about weddings and going steady and so on..they dont. So I dont see a need for an actuall..well 'marrige' ceremony..but who knows..you know angela:P , she may just WANT a ceremony and to have Goliath walk her down the isle and all that blablabla *shrugs* hmm I wonder who the best man would be? I think theyd have to make an exception! *reads her post* wups..I rambled! SORRY DOUG! *runs out feeling stupid to do her homework*
Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 06:31:53 PM
IP: 98cd96c7.ipt.aol.com

**************ATTENTION ALL WHOME ATTENDED THE GATHERING****

Hey all, This post if for all whome have attended a Gathering. If you attened on in NY or Texas or anywhere else..please keep reading. I am writing a an essay for my English Honors Prof. ON Us The Gargoyle Fandom. I wanted to write an essay that had something to do with Gargoyles..but it had to be REAL something I could present with a good thesis and so on. I tried just regular gargs but It wasnt a long enough paper..I want at least 5 pages. I went to her office in a desperate attempt to try and pursuade (sp) her to let me do Gargoyles the show anyway..and what do you know..she has a GARGOYLE on her desk. Well, that got us talking and shes thinks gars are an interesting topic and would love to hear my essay on them. I brough up the Gathering and she told me to do my essay on that. But..I need to ofcourse have some form of ...(SP!!) bibiliography. So I am going to use articles from Disney magazine and do as meny interveiws from as meny of the gatherings or other garg functions as I can. PLEASE Email me!! I would love to know what gathering you attended, that way I can interveiw you. Also, if any of you have any type of article from a magazine or book and you know who its from..copy right and all that jazz PLEASE EM me with that info as well.

As for any ppl..such as ohhhhhhhhh Spike, Christine Morgan, GREG or Crazy D..Please..all you ppl who worked on the commitee, are big names in fanfic or fanart, or..if you happened to CREATE the show Gargoyles;) PLEASE I need as meny interviews and good solid info as I can since I cant work with any real books or magazines here.
If anyone here can get in touch with anyone who worked on the show such as Greg, Thom, Etc..please help me out!

again...EMAIL ME!!! info small or large! Remember ppl, this report is on US!! THE fandom! I dont wanna make it sound boring:P and hey..she IS a gargoyle fan;) she wants me to bring in some stuff from the show..and she always _did_ want to know why I wanted to be called Lexington in class;0

OK thanks for reading this ..again EM me!:) THANKS!

********END SHAMLESS CRY FOR HELP******************;)
Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 06:12:26 PM
IP: 98cd96c7.ipt.aol.com

*Walks in and hears the news of Ernest P. Warrel's death*Oh no! He was one of the ones I thought was actually funny. *Blows taps on trumpet*

Sarge: Don't worry bro. We have all been there. Sounds trite, but it'll pass, and you will always have the good memories. *Rememembering my own first girl friend* Don't loose her as a friend, if you can avoid it.

Well, gotta get running
Shade and Sweet water

Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 05:52:00 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

***Kyryn sneaks in from work and notices Aarons post***

I will miss the voice of Slinky Dog from Toy Story. *bows head a moment*

Aargh!! Well I get to add to the pile of car woes. My paycheck for this week just went pfft since I had to pay for over 400 dollars worth of transmission repairs to my car. It seems that a transmission mount gave way and caused problems with the locking assembly on the end. *sigh* Ah well. At least it's running okay again.

Thanks to those who've had comments about TGS. As one of the behind-the-scenes editors for this season and a large part of last, I do appreciate reading the feedback here -- both good and bad. I can't comment on many of the topics since I am on staff, but one of the things I like to do is check out the comment room a couple of days after an episode has premiered to see how people liked it.

Later All!

***Kyryn sneaks back to work****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Friday, February 11, 2000 05:25:02 PM
IP: 207.115.148.178

I broke up with my first girlfriend today and I feel like shit. I dunno why, it was just because I felt akward and I knew that it wasn't meant to be. I feel crappy and I just needed to vent out rage or grief or something. I'm so distraught I can't type anymore.......

Sarge....:(
Sarge Abernathy
Friday, February 11, 2000 04:20:50 PM
IP: spider-tq082.proxy.aol.com

A moment of silence for Jim Varney, aka Ernest P. Worrel. He succumbed to cancer this morning, and I feel like a piece of my childhood went with him.




Skippy> Rodman played? When, and against who? Loved the redneck Klingon jokes btw.

Pistoff> Welcome back. Sorry RL's been kicking you in the butt lately, hope things get better. Oh and the Koz/Jerico (And Frank Black) in the same room scenario was supposed to be the ending to the proposed mock-trial of Demona at G2K. And yes, Koz would probably win in a fair fight, since he's wicked fast. But if you start dodging bullets in a room full of innocent bystanders, what happens? For the record, I figure the Frank/Jerico alliance lasts until they get out the door, and realize that two's company and three's a crowd.

J.Feff> Only two roomies? Crud. I need three: Me, Jenna, and her mate Mike. If anybody else is looking for roomies, we're listening.

Warpmind> Congrats on your new chibi bundle of joy.

Robby>Fair enough, the chibi-play has gotten a bit large, and we'll label it in future. Speaking of which...

************Back to the Chibi-drama************************

Chibi-Death struggles to get out of Ventura-chan's clutches.

"Mmmmm! Mmmph mm mmm mmmph mmmmm!" Startled, Ventura shifts, allowing Death to breathe once more.

(Gasp) "Miss Ventura, could you let go please? I can't reach my sword."

Ventura giggles. "Don't worry my love, I can." Her hands start to wander. Death swats one of them with his tail.

"That was *not* what I meant." He reaches behind him and pulls out an enormous black William Wallace-style broadsword. Death levels the point at Xellos' throat. "I know you're some kind of Demon Lord, but this will not only kill you, it will make your strength mine."

Xellos arches an eyebrow. "And what would that be?"

"The legendary Black Blade, as fortold by Moorcock, BOC, and Cyrway."

"No it's not, it's just a big@$$ broadsword."

Xellos and Hyena have another good laugh while Death glares at Ventura. "Psychics."

**************End Chibi-Drama for now*******************

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, February 11, 2000 03:50:06 PM
IP: a7x29.iwl.net

Caliope> A name for a dog that's not too bright, and is going to get really big - I'd choose Ajax, since I have some background in the classics.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, February 11, 2000 02:07:34 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Caliope> ummm boxer puppy name.. Buster, Malone, Max, Rex, Trigger (he's going to get as big as horse) ;) We had chinese pugs and decided to name them all country singers' names... Willie & Waylon - after they died, we got Mac (Davis) and then Hank (Williams). We had to give them away and now have 2 females - Dolly P. and Lacey (J. Dalton). It's not that I'm such a fan of C&W - just thought it was a funny "theme" for the pugs. *L* I also have 2 chihuahuas and their names are Juanita and Taco =) Juanita is 4 legged Cordelia! (from Buffy) - at least that's what Denis calls her *L* Taco is just a pyscho chihuahua O_O
Jannie
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:58:18 PM
IP: 196-119.c.esc4.net

Hey Guys! How goes it?! :)

Rodlox>Well! I'm I sencing some regional slug discrimination?! :P j/k

Coyote> Have fun and enjoy my island!!! :)

Everyone> Hey, I just got a baby Boxer puppy and he needs a name! Hes soooo cute! I want a cool name that does'nt demandto much intelect from the dog cuz he doesnt look to smart! :P I thinking Loki would be cool but it sounds too much like Lucky and that is a lame Boxer name....My dog will NOT have a lame name! So any sugestions are welcome!!!! Thanx!!!
Caliope
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:13:29 PM
IP: 136.145.70.210

Just a quick post before I go to work, but I just gotta take care of this one...

Rodlox: No.

I'll try to do more catching up after work....
Pistoff
Friday, February 11, 2000 11:56:27 AM
IP: cb1-109.transport.com

Deadlines >
Avalon Mists -- Wednesday Feb. 23rd; looking for stories, poems, filks, funnies, etc.
Sabledrake > Friday, Feb. 25th; looking for art (including a cover!), game reviews, articles, and short fiction.

Green Baron > auction off my loose ends? There's a scary thought! I think I'll pass ... ; )

Pistoff > never mind; he came back!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 11:38:35 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Airwalker: Okay, as promised, here are my responses. Not too many of them this time, but a few. :)

<I'm beginning to understand now why this room tends to fill up so fast. :-)> That's good. Maybe now you'll complain less about some aspects of it. :)

<are Broadway's opinions of what to do formed at the spur of the moment or has he had a prior version of how things should turn out formed in him mind already? He has seen Gargoyles in love prior in his life. He wasn't blind after all and he couldn't have spent all of his time just eating. He had examples around him at one point. He might not have been in love at the time but it gave him a scale against which he might have measured how he thought things would be when he did actually fall in love.> <shrugs> We don't know. But I have a feeling that even if Broadway did have a plan he could quickly be forced to abandon it as he met with real love and realized it was not quite what he'd expected, instead going with the flow. Same deal for Angela. And you are right, they did have couples they knew to compare their own love with, but I don't really think that should be a factor in the pace of their own relationship much for two reasons. 1. Being in love myself (with Kit), I sometimes find myself comparing our relationship to those of other couples I know. Our parents', our friends', people on TV's, etc. I never have really liked doing it, as I always end up remembering the bad things in their relationships and denying that we can have them in ours, believing with all my heart that our love is somehow better than all theirs was. Therefore other people's relationships really aren't much of an influence to me on the pacing of a relationship, on how far it should go at a certain time, etc. I don't know if it's the same for Broadway and Angela but it might be. There is a tendency among most couples to feel the same way, or so it's been my experience. The other reason I doubt other couples they know matter to Broadway and Angela when they think about their relationship is the tendency of everyone in love to seperate *them* from *us.* This is a corrallary to the reason above, essentially it means that most couples in love will be disposed to think things like- "Sure Mom and Dad took forever to get married, but we don't have to. I want to be with you now." "Sure our friends got a divorce, but that won't happen with us. There's no obstacle to us getting together. Let's do it." Etc. Don't know if Broadway and Angela think like this, but it's possible. Love is usually on the minds of a couple who are involved in it more than anything else and as such it can blind them to reality in many ways. :)

BTW, I was also researching some stuff on the middle ages last night, and I thought I should tell you that I've formed an opinion about the long engagements that were the tradition back then. Apparently according to history most of them weren't long because of any agreement or tradition on the part of the people involved, but rather because they were necessary with the times. Noblemen such as Prince Malcolm had their marriages arranged down to the date, and thus they could easily be engaged for years and never know whether or not the person was right for them. Then there was the fact that people lived all over the place back then a lot more than they do now, and travel was long, difficult, and dangerous. In addition, long engagements were really only popular among the nobility. The peasant classes of the time lived together in villages and didn't have to worry about how a marriage would impact their social standing as much as nobles did, so they had fewer barriers to marriage. Their engagements were naturally shorter as a result. Perhaps it was somewhat the same among gargoyle clans? (Coldstone and Coldfire in Dark Ages could be used as an example.) <shrugs> Definite possibility. I also wonder if Broadway and Angela can tell the difference between being in love and being in love enough to make the decision to get married. Their own love might be so intense to them that they went ahead and got married now without considering whether they should wait longer. It's happened plenty of times with people today. I just hope for them it turns out right. :)

<But if you were dealing with more than 2 dozen Gargoyle Hatchlings, wouldn't you slow down (not to mention tone down) the pace of the romantic stories you would be telling them?> You're right, I didn't think of that. Hmm. Well, probably not, as I'm one of those people who believes that a story is good the way it's written and people shouldn't just go making changes in it as they see fit. Katherine may be different, I don't know.

<But what happens if reality catches up and at that point you just don't care? Rationalization is her subconscious way of managing to survive and cope until she either decides to face reality or until she just gets so beyond it that no matter what reality does it won't matter because she won't care.> Oh, reality has ways of making people care, believe you me. For example, Demona might not have cared too much that her clan were really against her enough to abandon her quest because of them. Her daughter's a different story. I could go on, but the point is, we just can't stop caring about this world. Sooner or later it throws us a new situation for which we weren't ready and thus we have to care about it. Even hermits (which Demona is not) can't escape it entirely, and neither can our favorite redhaired female gargoyle. :)

Good points about Demona's conscious and subconscious by the way. I'm afraid I really don't know what to say to them, as Kit's the big psychologist in this apartment, not me. :) Maybe she'll have some ideas, I'll ask her later. Glad you're also enjoying this debate.

Pistoff: You're welcome, and thanks for understanding. Good luck with your new job and that stalker jerk, I too hope he doesn't bother you too much. If he does, well, I found with that with a similar jerk a few years back, a metal pole applied repeatedly with sufficient force to his head went a long way into knocking some sense into him. :)

Rodlox: <So, what happens to a gargoyle who's accepted {on both a concious and subconcious levels} that _this too shall pass away_?? do they become a studyer of human-gargoyle interactions? do they cloister themselves in isolation or near-isolation? what may happen?> The gargoyle I can think of who is probably closest to this model is the Timedancer "villain" Harthoth. He's done quite some interesting things with his life. :) I want Demona to meet him someday too, and am very interested in how they might react to each other after a sufficiently long talk.
Doug
Friday, February 11, 2000 10:52:52 AM
IP: pool-209-138-161-200.dlls.grid.net

Airwalker: maybe Titania could do that easily {compared to how hard it was for Puck} because she is/was another level of power entirely? {like you can't get a presidential pardon from the govenor of Texas - not unless Texas is an independant nation - again}.

just a thought.


Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 10:40:32 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warpmind & Green Baron: you said {to me, i think} that the Captain of the Guard never called the Viking leader a squarehead. {this was back when we were having the are-the-vikings-racist discussion, i believe}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 10:34:47 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

GSIDE - You wrote: [I thought she just healed the parts left in Coldstone's body.]

My understanding was that she took some of the dead "stone" bits that made up the Coldstone shell, sorted through them until she got a bit of Coldstone and a bit of Coldfire and then regenerated living bodies for them. (That in itself contradicts stuff mentioned in TIMEDANCER about how Fey magic can't work that way, that it can't give life. She took something that was dead, not frozen but dead and restored it to life. Not only that but she managed to move the Coldduo's souls without consent. They didn't know what was going on and so their participation wasn't voluntary which just makes everything Puck did in POSSESSION seem like a big joke that he did to kill time instead of the hard work that it was.)


WILEK - You wrote: [It's possible that the elf-shot prevented that somehow, or would have been carried over to the new body somehow.]

It could be possible. But the Elfshot seemed more to me like a spreading infection that was slowly killing Elisa. So Titania, if she really wanted to do anything, could have easily taken material from a part of her body that wasn't infected yet. She knows about DNA. All she needed was one strand of it and she could have gotten it from anything, even a clipped toenail if she really wanted to help.

You wrote: [Who knows, maybe it acts upon the soul itself, or the soul's connection to the body?]

I don't think that anything magical could act upon the soul itself unless the person in question allowed it to. Whenever something having to do with the soul showed up in GARGOYLES, the soul itself was never harmed or manipulated. It was beyond the magic that was being used. At most it could only have been moved, and even then it required explicit permission from the person in question. (That lack of permission could have been a loophole for Titania in dealing with Elisa except for the fact that she didn't ask for permission from Coldstone and Coldfire either.)



There is something that I should bring up that slipped my mind when I was writing out that huge post I put up last night. Mr. Thrugg brought up a very good point. I've been voicing alot of criticism's in the last few days and I just wanted to mention to the TGS staff that I'm not trying to bash their hard work in any way. I do enjoy reading TGS very much and my problems are never with the writing which is always extremely well done but more along decisions made in the direction of the plot. I intend only for my suggestions and reactions to be helpful to the staff (and hopefully make interesting discussion in the room itself) and if my comments come off sounding harsh or like I don't appreciate the hard work that goes into TGS, let me say right now that that is not what I intend at all. I'm glad that TGS is going strong and continuing to put out new material for us to ponder over.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, February 11, 2000 10:13:54 AM
IP: 177.new-york-28-29rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

cherry blossom>> Actually, the Gargoyles Fandom Reunion will be going on the entire WEEK of February 20-26. We're turning the chatrooms on Sunday and there's going to be things going on for the entire week. Some of the things to look forward to are:

Fanfic & Fanart contests;

"Die, Mary Sue, Die!!!" -- Learn how to write better fanfic from the top writers in fandom.

The "Talk to the Pros" chat on Wednesday (so far, we have NINE members of the Gargoyles production staff coming!);

Friday Fanfic Night where fanfic writers can talk about their literary universes -- we'll be talking to members of TGS and Wintersmith Dreams but there's still plenty of room for more. If you write fanfic, this is the chat for you!

Saturday afternoon is devoted to The Gathering -- past, present and future. The G2K crew will be by to answer questions about the upcoming Gathering in Orlando. In addition, this is a great promotional opportunity for anyone interested in making bids for future Gatherings, since it's been decided to start planning conventions 2-3 years in advance. If you're interested in bringing a Gathering to YOUR town, this is the place to start advertising it!

The last event of the Gargoyles Fandom Reunion is the Fandom Awards on Saturday night. Who wrote the best LONG fanfic over 45K? Who wrote the best SHORT one? What was the best "Gargoyles" episode of all time? Find out here!

Hope to see you there!!!
Spike - [<==<< Gargoyles Fandom Internet Reunion]
Friday, February 11, 2000 10:09:36 AM
IP: pppt13-195.ght.iadfw.net

*Xanathar Runs into the CR*

Hi everyone!!,miss me*Silence save for the sound of crickets chirping*well I missed all of you.(Fleur especially:) )
The power restrictions that I told you about have been lifted finally And Fleur and I are going to work on a revenge RP together(The power companies have kept us both away from here,it's time for payback>:) )

Looks like I've missed out on quite a lot of interesting discussions:(,I better start catching up...

C'yas later *Hugs everyone*



Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Friday, February 11, 2000 08:13:38 AM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Grrr, then i try to send one comment the internet in austria crashes a whole day :(
Ok i'm a very rare writer here (just like to watch the tgs-comment room) but here comes another comment from austria.

Snyder>Top, couldn't say it better.
Glad to see another austrian here :)

Dough>Your answer is the best i've heared from a non austrian, thanks !

Geen Baron> Bringing back Kaiser Franz Josef, no thanks todays bureaucracy is enough :)

cherry blossom> He's not the new austria leader (president), he is "only" the leader of the "liberal party austrias" and that's all he is.

Wilek nereus>About "sick of looking into a baby carriage and seeing some foreign child grinning up at me", i watch our Jörg Haider a lot now but where did you get this ?

And all the other countries in the EU, sorry to say, that but some of them are really going over the endge (two ski drivers making tracks into the snow showing a SS-sign) :((

Archwolf> 1.The nebelparder destroyed edo: [Battletech Book: Lethal Heritage]
2. I would not like that :P

Thomas - [m9535047@unileoben.ac.at]
Leoben, AUSTRIA
Friday, February 11, 2000 04:53:57 AM
IP: 195.230.162.114

*Warpmind rushes in, shoving a small cart in front of him, while chibi Talon sits on the cart, holding chibi Maggie's hand. The whole crowd sets up a small delivery room in the corner, waving chibi Anton over for assistance.*
It is time.
*Time passes... eventually, a loud scream is heard, that of a newborn. After a few moments, Warpmind steps out with an uncommonly adorable little fuzzball.*
Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you, I present the first-born of my two chibis: Benjamin.
*Warpmind carries the cute little hairball back in, then follows chibi Maggie and chibi Talon (the last of which has his arm in a sling) back out, with chibi Maggie nursing the little one.*
Seems Maggie held on a little tight there... Well, now that the happy event is done, I can get on with replies.

Rodlox: No sweat. My mind is quite frequently warped, anyway. But why do you insist on writing a capital M? *Sigh* Never mind.

Aaron: Thanks, bud. Don't forget: it's gotta be PAL format, or it's worthless to me.

Green Baron: True, the vikings had a runic alphabet, but the majority were still illiterate. And... squareheads? Where'd THAT come from? I can't recall any vikings being called squareheads...

Rodlox again: Well, there's art, music and literature. Immortality can, in a way, be achieved that way, too. Just think of Tolkien, Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Mozart, Beethoven or maybe Stephen King... immortal in their own ways.

Bengali: Maybe... but remember, his honeymoon was pretty rushed, anyway. And he had everything lined up, too. Remember "Vows", of the original series? :)

Pistoff: Oakee-doakee. I've *ehum* actually begun already. I chose... does the word "extrication" mean anything to you? ;) I chose it solely for that scene. :)

*Warpmind looks at Gside, then ponders joining his party.*

Wilek: Concern for children? What has gotten into you, man? ;) Seriously, though, I was merely making a suggestion.

Bengali: Ack! M'dear, are you familiar with any forms of Martial Arts? If not, I would personally recommend studying Tae Kwon Do or Modern Arnis (the last of which is EXCEPTIONALLY violent) in case of yet another assault... it works. Trust me.

Well, that's about it. I have to be going anyway.

*Warpmind trots out, after letting chibi Maggie show off Benjamin to everyone present.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, February 11, 2000 04:08:53 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hi...ugh, no time, so a quick post. Will try and catch up later.

Basically, I am still on the lookout for Gathering roomies. Sorry if anyone has posted anything about that since I last checked, but I've had no time to check the room. I'm looking for two people, male or female, any age. I'm not picky. If you are at all interested in sharing a room, or know anyone who might be, please e-mail me. Thanks. :)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 02:15:00 AM
IP: ctrts3-4.mrs.umn.edu

Wilek>Yup, fortunately I'm a fairly good fighter and am able to fight people if I have to. The guy that attacked me had been following me for several days, sendind me flowers and cards and such. He kept on asking me for a date but every time I told him no he would just ask again and again, so I went to the cops and got a restraining order set on him. Things went okay for a few days until I was leaving the store and I saw him standing outside it, he attacked me with his fists screaming "how dare you!" and "I love you baby, why did you do this to us!", I fought back as hard as I could with my own fists and after about a minute I was ready to tear off his damned head. Unfortunately, that was not the case, he was a bit bigger that me and stronger, I knew I couldnt win but If I was gonna die I was taking him with me. It was late at night and there wasnt anybody around. Fortunately another guy stepped out of the store and saw what was happening, he attacked the freak and with success too, he knocked the guys block off and continued to hit him until the freak was almost senseless. I only had a few bruises and cuts from that ordeal, I was lucky, because many women dont end up like I did, they end up worse. The freaks still in jail right now, he got a 15 year sentence for it {way too short}. It wasnt very long ago, only a year but I still remember it quite vividly, It was scary.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Friday, February 11, 2000 02:12:27 AM
IP: spider-wi021.proxy.aol.com

Rodlox> <<if you'll excuse me, i have to go strangle my other Selves.>> Do yours annoy you as well? Sometimes I wanna blow mine out an airlock...<<humans are one of the few things that do _not_ taste like chicken.>> So I've noticed. They're more like very sour beef. Stringy too. Ecch.

Warpmind> <<Seriously, though, I suggest you have words with Wilek for some neural inhibitors or something for the little tykes.>> Hm...I don't know; a lot of my nucleonic gear hasn't been tested on children; might have unpleasant side effects...

Alex> <<Well then... DUMP AWAY!! :P no, that would be mean, and Cali would hate us.... I could rish her frienship.... mmmm... let me think about it some more... :P>> Heh...I'd better not; it might mutate some things we don't want mutated...<<But if we're going in, let's at least TRY to find the damn Witch!!! :)>> Actually, she's in Maryland. But who knows, there are probably all manner of evil spirits and the like on a tropical island... >8)

Green Baron> <<I heard soemthing scary. Fred Phelps is getting old, and a likely successor will be his daughter.>> Dear gods...I really should have torn him to shreds and nailed his remains to the ceiling of his so-called church *before* he could decide on a successor...

Coyote> <<the store's going though employment flux again. **rolls eyes** One guy quit, and the UOF I mentioned last week decided to go on another one of his little "sabbaticals," and from what we've been told is looking for an excuse ... *ANY* excuse ... to sue the store.
I was supposed to be off on Tuesday ... **laughs** two call-ins and UOF's little hissy fit knocked *that* idea cold. This week has SUCKED!!>> Eesh...don't know what can be done about the rest of it, but as for UOF...<sharpens crystal scimitar> How many pieces? >:) <<Incidentally, has anyone else here heard about the offhand comment made at Ain't It Cool News about a film called "The Final Apocrypha: The Return of the Gargoyles?">> Hm...this is the first I've heard of it...cool title, although...I don't know, maybe I've just learned never to get my hopes up when it comes to something that sounds this good, but...this sounds suspiciously like a sequel to a blasphemous little abortion of a horror film called 'Gargoyles'. I'm probably (hopefully) wrong, since I don't know who's making it or anything, but still...

Snyder> Welcome! :D Surrender your sanity, etc... Hm...apparently Austria isn't as bad off as we thought...hope it stays that way...

Archwolf> <<Allrigh, I'm starting to get curious (which tends to be a bad thing, actually) How does one get a chibi? Just say 'well, now i have a chibi, too?' and are they restricted to the Gargoyle's universe?>> Yeah, pretty much that's how you acquire a chibi. They're not just restricted to the Gargs universe, though; you can have chibi versions of any character from pretty much anything (as long as someone else doesn't already have that same chibi). Or even a chibi version of yourself, if you're brave...

Skippy> Redneck Klingon> <LOL>

Airwalker> <<Titania could always have grown a new body for Elisa and then moved her soul to it. She did that for Coldstone and Coldfire after all. I could have bought Titania's inability to act more if she hadn't just restored the Coldduo to full life at the same time she was saying she could do nothing about Elisa.>> It's possible that the elf-shot prevented that somehow, or would have been carried over to the new body somehow. Who knows, maybe it acts upon the soul itself, or the soul's connection to the body?

Pistoff> <<They put on two new hoses...and it cost me $100. :O I guess it's a good thing I hadn't planned to have them re-attach the broken armrest on the driver-side door, 'cause those two hoses just maxed out another credit card. One of the hoses cost more than $40.>> O_o OK, that's called extortion. <sigh> What in the *worlds* do these people think they're trying to get away with...<<yesterday was my last day at one Pizza Hut, and today I started working at the other one. That one is an actual restaurant, so that means greater exposure to customers.>> Oh gawdz, *more* of those freaks?! <sigh> Oh well, at least maybe the ones who come in will see some obligation to behave themselves...<<there was a huge group of yuppies who came in today, and they left an enormous mess, just horrible. And guess who got to clean it up? Yep, the new guy. Ugh.>> Or maybe not...<<Valentine's Day is totally commercial, even worse than Christmas, because Christmas at least still has meaning to some people. But Valentine's Day...buy candy, buy flowers, buy cards, buy jewelry, buy, buy, buy. As far as I'm concerned, Valentine's Day only serves to cheapen love rather than celebrate it.>> So I've noticed. I've never really seen anything special about Valentines' Day (not outside my ficverse at any rate <evil, evil grin>)...great candy though. ;) <<"Hmm, yes...I noticed that Raquelle matched the new wallpaper, and I just _had_ to have her!" ;P>> <L> I never really considered color coordination when it comes to gargoyle relationships, interspecies or otherwise...fascinating concept. :)

Bengali> <<I've had encounters with wierdos like that, they're very dangerous, one of them actually attacked me when I was leaving a grocery store, I was able to hold my own against him until another guy saw what was happening and attacked the freak.>> Oh dear GODS... O_O' <speechless>
Wilek Nereus
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:45:26 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Pistoff>Have you called the cops on him yet?, you really should, if hes harassing you and this woman you can call the cops and get a restraining order or have his but put in jail, depending on the situation he wont be able to come within a few blocks to a few miles of you or this woman. This guy sounds really wierd and could possibly be dangerous, I'd tell this woman you work with to be really careful and not to walk around alone, especially at night, and you should do the same. I've had encounters with wierdos like that, they're very dangerous, one of them actually attacked me when I was leaving a grocery store, I was able to hold my own against him until another guy saw what was happening and attacked the freak. If this guy is saying that you have a 'sexy' voice it sounds like he may also be a rapist or worse. I really think you should call the cops on him before its too late.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:40:15 AM
IP: spider-wi021.proxy.aol.com

Gside: not Ozymidas {okay, okay, maybe him TOO}....but there was a poem about a Persian king who ran out one night and had a sentance inscribed on a doorway.....centuries later, all that remains is the archway, which reads the same as ever: "only god is great".

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO WROTE THAT POEM?? please help!!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:31:35 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

And may you all have the best of health
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:30:30 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Green Baron> <<And I'm a Business Major>>: I never said you weren't. I was just saying engineers should not venture anywhere near anything outside their fields.

Bengali> <<Why else would he choose the name "Lennox Macduff">>: Perhaps because he feels he is more like the character of Macduff and bitter about the new connotations the name Macbeth has acquired. But, as you said, there is always the words of Root (aka Greg).

Mecord> <<Lately she’s been spending more time as a human the a gargoyle>>: She doesn't really have controll of that. Perhaps she has been concentrating more on that area of her life.

Airwalker> I think Ozymandias, "king of kings" should have hired this jeweler.
<<She did [build a new body] for Coldstone and Coldfire after all>>: I thought she just healed the parts left in Coldstone's body.

Det. Stoff> Chickens: Eh, funny stories mutate so much, I would doubt the accuracy of any retelling.
<<that Valentine's Day crap being pushed on TV, radio, newspapers, and every grocery and department store I walk into>>: We here being lonely engineers, there is a "misery party" being semi-planned for Valentine's.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:27:52 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

On gargoyle immortality: it's been said {not here} that all beings must have at least a tiny bit of emotion and conflict in their lives. {to quote: 'a purely logical Spock or Data would not feel the need to get out of bed in the morning'}.

So, what happens to a gargoyle who's accepted {on both a concious and subconcious levels} that _this too shall pass away_??
do they become a studyer of human-gargoyle interactions?
do they cloister themselves in isolation or near-isolation?

what may happen?

and what might happen if Demona {as she currently is} meets that gargoyle?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:26:12 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

double post, sorry; i was a wee bit giddy in my joy over finally more or less finishing "Drawing of the Seven"...

Aaron: <g> Well, I kinda just got my bachelor's in History, and my focus of study was WWII Germany, so don't worry about it...

Pistoff: That stalker guy sounds like he has problems...just remeber, restraining orders are good things...

And maybe sometime this weekend I'll actually get to play catchup with the CR...
jewel
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:21:40 AM
IP: spider-tm011.proxy.aol.com

Quickie post!!!
I've just finished the next part of "Goetterdaemmerung" and shipped it off to my beta readers--so "The Drawing of the Seven" will be posted by the end of next week. :)
jewel
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:11:03 AM
IP: spider-tm011.proxy.aol.com

**SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT!**

To all it may concern, I have a new piece of fanfiction entitled "The Test" now posted at GFW for your viewing pleasure. If you wish to, go please read and enjoy. :)

**THE PLUG HAS ENDED, CR RETURNS TO NORMAL- AGAIN**

Airwalker: Good responses once again, though I'll have to answer them later. The bout of creative energy that enabled me to finish my latest story tonight has quite understandably tired me out. :) See you all tomorrow, and good night!
Doug Elder - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, February 11, 2000 01:00:55 AM
IP: pool-209-138-160-244.dlls.grid.net

Titania and Elisa>I think that if she had wanted to, Titania couldve restored Elisa, no member of the third race {exept maybe Anubis} has had a problem with 'bending' the rules one bit, she could have easily found some sort of an excuse to do so. Theres also the possibility that she wouldnt have had to have followed the rules at all, after all, nothing would happen if she did. Or Oberon could 'change' the rules for a moment, he did make them so technically he could change or break them. Like he said in "The Gathering Part Two", "Oberons decrees are his to break!".
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Friday, February 11, 2000 12:54:38 AM
IP: spider-ti022.proxy.aol.com

Pistoff: Hi. {put the pizza down!}. Can I MST3K one of the Gra'athi stories?

{if you allow, the guest star will be one of hte _original_ gra'athi}.

Have a nice day...and i hope they nail that stalker!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 12:48:36 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Well, once again I'm playing catch-up. Everything going on in my life started to come to a head a few days ago...I think I really hit bottom, that time. Just a long string of disasters and general bad luck building up until I couldn't take it anymore, and I had to take a few days to pull myself together. Things are starting to improve, gradually...with a few exceptions here and there. Yesterday morning I had to take the Pimpwagon to a mechanic because the power-steering fluid was leaking. They put on two new hoses...and it cost me $100. :O I guess it's a good thing I hadn't planned to have them re-attach the broken armrest on the driver-side door, 'cause those two hoses just maxed out another credit card. One of the hoses cost more than $40. I mean, come on! A HOSE, for chrissake! I don't care what it's made of, there's no way in hell a foot-long hose should cost that much.

Anyway...yesterday was my last day at one Pizza Hut, and today I started working at the other one. That one is an actual restaurant, so that means greater exposure to customers. Speaking of which--there was a huge group of yuppies who came in today, and they left an enormous mess, just horrible. And guess who got to clean it up? Yep, the new guy. Ugh.

Well, to balance out the depressing stuff, here's some freaky $h!t that's been going on at the old job. One of the shift managers has this fruit-loop stalking her...guy just won't leave her alone. She hasn't been leading him on--in fact, she told him numerous times (right in front of me, several times) to get lost. He's one of those guys who thinks "no" means "yes." He would ask her if he could come over and talk to her, and she'd tell him no, she's very busy, got pizzas to make, etc. And he'd say, "Okay, I'll be there in twenty minutes, then." :O

I had been intercepting the guy's phone calls when I was able to, telling him that she wasn't there (whether she was or not ;). Well, a few days ago things went from bad to just plain weird--the guy told me that I have a sexy voice. O_o Um...first of all, no I don't. I personally find my voice rather annoying. And second...just...ewwwww! >_<

Great. I suppose now this guy is gonna start buying me flowers and stuff, and expecting me to put out for him. Well, nine years ain't _that_ long, bubba.

Well, anyway, on with replies. I'm still kinda distracted, so I'll probably miss a few. If that's the case, I apologize. It's been one of those lives, lately....

Gside: <<Chickens: I heard it was an American aerospace lending the cannon to a French company for engine testing. (We're engineers here, we love this stuff)>> Ah, that could've been it. I was typing the story from memory, and it was a couple of years ago that I saw Tom Snyder talking about. I distinctly remember him mentioning some company that used it to test their trains, but the rest of the details could be off-kilter... :P <<LABIA>> LMAO! Hmm...Lesbien and Bisexual Women in Action--that sounds like a porno-movie title. ;)

Aaron: I keep forgetting to mention this--the "nit" about the Ishimura clan facing outward when they sleep...*screams and pounds head on desk* Dude, that's not a nit. That's a BLUNDER!!! How could I have forgotten that detail? AAAAAARRRRRRGH!!! And I agree, I wouldn't care to let Koz and Jericho into the same room...and if it did happen, Koz would leave with a pair of wings to mount on the wall of his living room. ;) Oh well, it seems to be a moot point now that the son of a bitch (pun intended ;) is dead. >8D

Jessie: <<Thanks for the comforting words about my family.>> I'm glad I was able to help. :) I know what it's like to go through all manner of $h!tstorms, and I'm always here to help in any way I can. <<Potential roomies>> If I were able to go to the Gathering, I'd be the first in line. But Orlando is a few thousand miles out of my range, not to mention the fact that my budget isn't even a fraction of what I'd need for something like this. *miserable sigh* Maybe if a future Gathering is close enough, I'll be able to make it...heh, if it were held here in Coos Bay, the first thing people would see driving into town is a sex-toy store called Filled with Fun. It's all downhill from there... ;P

Wilek: <<Ah. For some reason, my hormones gave up trying to influence me long ago.>> Heh, I often wish I could say the same. It's usually not that bad...just sometimes I'm overstimulated. I joke about it a lot, but the thing I genuinely miss is just having somebody to hold in my arms, somebody who's there when I go to sleep and still there when I wake up, somebody to share my life with... (okay, sex would have to be a part of it, too--but it's by no means the most important part ;). Especially now, with that Valentine's Day crap being pushed on TV, radio, newspapers, and every grocery and department store I walk into...I'm just under extra pressure, where this kind of stuff is concerned. Valentine's Day is totally commercial, even worse than Christmas, because Christmas at least still has meaning to some people. But Valentine's Day...buy candy, buy flowers, buy cards, buy jewelry, buy, buy, buy. As far as I'm concerned, Valentine's Day only serves to cheapen love rather than celebrate it. *shrug* As for your theory on souls, it's pretty close to my own theory. :) I believe that each person's "soul" is a result of personality, intelligence (or in many cases, the lack thereof ;), disposition, inherited characteristics (such as the mother's temper or the father's laid-back way of looking at life...or vice versa...), and life experiences that shape the way we act and react and think. I guess "soul" is a nice, simple word that encompasses all of that. ;)

Warpmind: Yeah, I'm offering my fics for the Demona's Payback project. :) If I'm MiSTing somebody else, it wouldn't be fair to hold mine back. ;) It doesn't really matter which one of them you choose. I'm not really sure which are more "MiSTable" than others. "Fear and Loathing with Jack Hammer" is the shortest, and "Truce" is the longest (at least until "Injustice for All" is finished. The medium-length ones run about 30-40 pages, average. It depends on how much time you want to spend on it; other than that, it's wide open. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it. ;D As for my progress on episode 3, I got sidetracked by RL crap. I'll be focusing more on it, though, and hope to have it finished soon...

David G: Thanks for the kind words. :) I hope things start shaping up soon... I've saved copies of your fics on my hard drive and hope I have time to get caught up. I've got a long list of fics I need to catch up on...10- to 12-hour days kinda interfere with stuff like that, plus the fact that I'm an absolutely compulsive writer...I actually go through withdrawal symptoms if I'm not working on a story. Next time I have a day off, I'll see if I can go on a reading bender... ;)

Christine: <<just found out that one of our residents ran away on the bus to Coos Bay ... seen any tall scrawny gangly guys wearing too-big corderouy pants cut off at the knees wandering about?>> Not yet. Will I need to keep a tranquilizer gun handy?

Coyote: That "useless old fart"...OMG!! How does that guy manage to keep from being fired? He's just like the idiot I had to work with, who never showed up on time, and when he was there, he bitched constantly about his job and threw a fit every time the boss told him to do something. Oh, how I wanted to smack him... <<FUK U>> ROTFLMAO!!! Oooooh! Now I wanna have that put on a personalized license plate! :D

SJ: I agree about Ellen. She was never funny. Of course, neither are any other sitcoms. ;) <<X-Men film costumes>> I saw a sketch of one, a while back, that looked like something Michael Jackson might wear. *shudder*

Doug: Thanks for the feedback and everything. It really did help, and I shouldn't have been so grouchy about it. I'll do my best to make sure that never happens again. Life just went down the toilet and I ended up taking it out on my friends. There are a number of things I need to fix in RS1, most of all the direction the clan faces when asleep *groan*... The Spunkmeyers will have a lot more development coming up, and in fact will appear in Injustice part 3...and I'll see if I can fit their children in there, too; I think it'd be fun and would add more dimension to them...(maybe I'll have Carolyn's kids meet them ;). The Spunks will still goof around on occasion...one bit I've had in mind for a while is what might happen when somebody comments on the number of interspecies couples that have popped up... "What, is this the trendy thing to do now?" To which Ralphie replies, "Hmm, yes...I noticed that Raquelle matched the new wallpaper, and I just _had_ to have her!" ;P As for the sex stuff...I'm definitely toning it down, but there will be a few things I can't resist adding. At some point in one of the upcoming eps, there will be some humor involving Vinnie and Sora and cybersex... (IMO, cybersex is one of the stupidest concepts ever conjured up by a human mind, and I will ridicule it at every opportunity *evil grin*)... Anyway, thanks for wishing me luck, but it looks like I'm stuck with Pizza Hut for the time being. Oh well, at least this is a _slight_ change of pace...I'll just go along with it for a while and see what happens...

Jannie: Daughter stuff--hooray! *hugs* I'm glad she's finally taking a step in the right direction. It's about time! As for those idiot parents you're dealing with--that's insane, trying to get you fired for doing your job. Things like this wouldn't happen if those morons would raise their kids right in the first place. I hope that blows over soon.

The Rock vs. Seven of Nine: Just when I thought Voyager's writers couldn't get any stupider... Actually, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry talked about this in a recent interview, and she wasn't happy, either. She said something like, "I think next week they're doing a truck show..." ;)

*sigh* That's all I have time for now. I should wait till I'm completely caught up, but I didn't want to keep everybody waiting any longer. I'll try to catch up with the rest tomorrow, if nothing else goes wrong...
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Friday, February 11, 2000 12:37:27 AM
IP: cb2-76.transport.com

RODLOX - You wrote: [That quote 'this too shall pass' ...sounds familiar... what/where's it from??]

The story I read goes something like this:

One day King Solomon decided that he wanted a ring engraved with a message that would make him happy when he was sad and that would make him think when he was happy. So he summoned his royal jeweler and asked him to create such a ring. About a month later the jeweler came back to him with an exquisite ring that was engraved with the words "This too shall Pass".


DOUG - I'm also enjoying this debate. I'm beginning to understand now why this room tends to fill up so fast. :-)

You wrote: [Do they know how long it took Xanatos and Fox to get together? I don't think so.]

That's a good point. TGS has the clan on such good terms with Xanatos and Fox that I forgot that they should have been alienated for a long period after moving back in, at the exact same time when Angela and Broadway's relationship was in it's formative stage. On the other hand considering how cozy the clan has gotten with Xanatos and Fox, I wouldn't be so suprised if Angela had asked Fox for some information on how long she had been involved with Xanatos before they got married. Fox did help Angela to plan her wedding so it could have come up at that point. Too late to really do anything with the information since the Wedding was already a set thing in everyone's mind's including her own, but still enough of an opportunity for someone who might have pre-wedding jitters to ask some questions.

You wrote: [Same deal with Tom and Katherine, who probably got together in the process of beginning to raise the Avalon clan hatchlings, and would therefore have been together for as long as Angela could remember. Do we know if she's ever asked them about love? No, we don't.]

We don't know if she asked them or at least Katharine how and why and how long it took for her to fall in love with Tom. But we also don't know that she didn't ask. It seems more likely that she might have asked somewhere down the line. After all they don't have television on Avalon and they have to do something to keep themselves entertained. Not to mention that there is the natural curiousity that a child might have. If Ariana likes hearing about her parent's wedding as evidenced in SOSN, then why is it so hard to believe that some of the hatchlings on Avalon wouldn't mind hearing about how Katharine and Tom fell in love?

You wrote: [How much have his various parents been around him when he's actually in love? Only Goliath and Hudson were around much out of the many, and neither had really been approaching love with someone when Broadway first began to fall for Angela.]

Well actually Goliath does have that whole on/off thing with Elisa that was kind of heating up when Broadway and Angela started to get involved. But I do see what your driving at in general.

But I wonder, are Broadway's opinions of what to do formed at the spur of the moment or has he had a prior version of how things should turn out formed in him mind already? He has seen Gargoyles in love prior in his life. He wasn't blind after all and he couldn't have spent all of his time just eating. He had examples around him at one point. He might not have been in love at the time but it gave him a scale against which he might have measured how he thought things would be when he did actually fall in love.

You wrote: [Therefore he didn't have any other relationships to look at in judging how his should be paced. Not from gargoyles anyway. Angela didn't either.]

He wouldn't really have any existing relationships at this point but like I said he might have had an idea of how things worked among Gargoyles and a probable idealized picture of how he figured things would have worked out. Judging how fast he brought up the idea of finding love in THE MIRROR when the options of what freedom of mobility might give the clan, I think that he might have been thinking about it for a long time. (Plus let's not forget that one of his father's - Hudson - is still alive. If he has some questions he could always ask. Now it's true that it would be really weird for the both of them but they would get through it. That's what Parents and Children have been doing since time immemorial.)

As for Angela, she had no Gargoyle standard whatsoever to measure her idea's against. But like I said previously she has a human couple who's pacing might as well have been that of a Gargoyle couple. And she does have the failure of her Gargoyle parent's relationship hanging in her mind. I could see that alone making her want to slow down and take everything one step at a time, even a half a step at a time.

You wrote: [I also think that having been raised by a Princess and Knight and hearing lots of stories about them would make Angela more inclined to a fast romance than a slow one. After all, long courtships between the hero and heroine do not exist in any fairy tales of which I know.]

In fairy tales we know. But if you were dealing with more than 2 dozen Gargoyle Hatchlings, wouldn't you slow down (not to mention tone down) the pace of the romantic stories you would be telling them?

You wrote: [Uh yeah, but rationalization can only go so far. Sooner or later, reality is going to catch up.]

True. But what happens if reality catches up and at that point you just don't care? Rationalization is her subconscious way of managing to survive and cope until she either decides to face reality or until she just gets so beyond it that no matter what reality does it won't matter because she won't care.

You wrote: [She's never really struck me as much of a long-term thinker, otherwise her plans would be a lot better than they were.]

She's not a long term thinker. But Rationalization isn't a conscious thing with her. It a reflex that helps her survive without completely cracking. She's only mostly cracked at this point with Angela trying to get her to glue herself together. Her plans most fail because she's consciously planning them. Her conscious mind isn't the one that is doing all this rationalization. It's just dealing with the consequences of her subconscious mind's decisions.

You wrote: [I don't think so. Have we ever seen Demona saying that to herself, or thinking about it? No, we haven't.]

I should clarify what I mean. She's never going to repeat over and over again "This too shall Pass". But on a lot of levels she knows that ultimately no matter what anyone does, nothing really matters. That explains why she is so reckless on so many levels. She can be. She is beyond harm except in dealings with Macbeth. And even then the attitude that nothing can hurt her, that everything will eventually pass dominates her actions and subconscious thinking. He conscious mind however would reject all of this as weak, human nonsense that keeps her from the true goal of making the world safe for Gargoyles. The danger to Demona is from her conscious self. It's her subconscious that keeps her alive and semi-sane. And it's her subconscious that would think "This too shall Pass". Conscious Demona does take immortality for granted. But Subconscious Demona, really an older version of Angel, the person she once was, is the one who might think in such a manner. A distinction should be made between the two aspects of Demona.


GYRE - I'm not saying that Demona didn't change at all or that she shouldn't start making movements towards change. I just happen to think that the speed at which she's going is soon going to get her sainthood. She did heal Elisa. That was a huge step. In fact it's a bit of a jump for Demona. But there is such a thing as taking too big of a step. She saved Elisa but it might have been too much for her. She might not be able to cope with it entirely. Her built in Rationalization mode might start to kick in just out of habit and from that point she could easily move back a few steps. In fact it's impossible that she wouldn't move back a step or two. From her perspective she's done almost the impossible. Saving Elisa was like walking on water for her. She's now at a new level where everyone, especially Angela might expect more from her, and she just might not be able to deliver. I think that this could be a legitimate point for her to backslide. But let me clarify, she should not backslide towards "wipe out all humanity" plans or "kill all the clan" plans. But I could see her taking more of a hard line stance towards humanity, particularly in how to deal with them. I could see her starting to act more cold and aloof with people around her and with the clan. She's been in a shell for years and then suddenly with one act everyone thinks that she's out of it. Her first reaction should be to try and get back in.


TODD - Titania could always have grown a new body for Elisa and then moved her soul to it. She did that for Coldstone and Coldfire after all. I could have bought Titania's inability to act more if she hadn't just restored the Coldduo to full life at the same time she was saying she could do nothing about Elisa. It kills her credibility completely when she takes about rules for one person and does the same thing for someone else.

(It's no secret that I think reviving the Coldduo to full life was a major mistake. Personally they would have been the best candidates for casualties among the clan which got through the Unseelie war terribly unrealistically. They didn't have a single casualty. There wasn't even any permanent damage done. Sata had a broken arm but that would be gone in a day or two. Nobody died, hell nobody was even maimed. For such a major conflict for everybody to escape so well off while every other clan had major or massive casualties just doesn't feel right. At the very least Coldstone and Coldfire should have gone off line or Coldstone should have been moved into Coldfire. And that's really at the very least.)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, February 11, 2000 12:11:59 AM
IP: 63.new-york-20-25rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

I don't have the energy to debate about Demona, so I'll just smile :) Sweet dreams to all.

Jaden> Not when my arm is freakin sore because I have no upper arm strength to throw the ball...but yes, it was fun!
SOROW
Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:44:14 PM
IP: dll2a030-0857.splitrock.net

*pokes head in*
Just really quickly. . .since I noticed that a lot of people are voicing their criticisms about TGS characterizations and such, I think its important, for any TGS staffers, to know that I, at least, greatly appreciate their work and effort to keep Gargoyles alive. I think anyone who was critical believes the same thing. Just wanted to make that clear.
*pokes head back in book*
Mr.Thrugg - [rubbermn16@aol.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:26:28 PM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

Todd>I also read Batyas fic, it was pretty good considering that he didnt know about the fact that Macbeth knew Shakespeare. Even with the problem in it, "The Scottish Play" was a very good TGS ep, it was done in a fashion similar to the original shows style which unforunately cant be said for some of the other TGS eps.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:14:12 PM
IP: spider-ti022.proxy.aol.com

*runs in*

Spike< if the online Gathering is on Saturday the 26 of February.. umm... what time is it and what is the address to the site we are supposed to be going to? Lexy originally told me it was the 23rd of February, but the 26th actually works better.. thanks!

*runs out*
cherry blossom - [Chryblsm15@aol.com]
WI, USA
Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:13:21 PM
IP: spider-tp064.proxy.aol.com

Rodman News: He's here, he's playing, and the Mavericks still suck...


Well, I actually did watch the wrestling episode of Voyager and was actually mildly suprised...

****Voyager Spoilers****
BEST NEWS OF THE NIGHT: The Rock had a total of only five minutes screentime! And he wasn't even the big match for Seven. The episode also featured appearances by DS9 recurring actors JG Hertzler (Martok) and Jeffery Combs (Weyon)
Combs played the weasley fight arranger and Hertzler played a Hirogen pit fighter. Combs as usual does weasley so well, and Hertzler does the whole noble warrior bit pretty well.
The episde came across better than I'd hoped, thankfully the Rock's presence was miniscule and irrelevant to the story.
********************
And just to stay on the subject of Star Trek, here is a little self test I recieved from my good friend K'Bubba:

YOU MIGHT BE A REDNECK KLINGON IF....

*Your bird of prey has the confederate flag painted on the wings
*Your commanding officer has tobacco stained teeth and carries a spit can.
*Your gagh is jumbo sized and is used to bait your trot lines
*Your black ale cup says "Budweiser" on the side
*You wear a football helmet into battle
*Your Bat'leth has "Death to them Damnfederationyankees" inscribed on it
*You have a picture of Calvin peeing on the Romulan Imperial symbol stenciled on the back of your battlecruiser
*You can sincerly state that "You can't appreciate Bassmasters till you see it in the original Klingon"
*Your battle armor is camouflage green
*Your Bird of Prey has any of the following names: "Renegade," "Ugga,""Roll Tide" or "WarDamnEagle"
*You own a double-barrelled disruptor
*You pick your teeth with your D'k tagh
*You have a shuttlecraft up on blocks in your front yard.
*You appreciate the following bumper stickers:
"You can have my Bat'leth when you pry it from my cold dead fingers"
"Southern by birth, Klingon by the grace of Kahless"
"Gagh, bang or cha'pujqut -- nobody rides for free"
"If you love the Federation, take NCC-1701F NORTH"

Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:47:46 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-43.ultravision.net

Aaron and Mara- Hate to chastise ya cause you're both my friends, but if you're going to do RP's, label them as such and have a bit more to say than just RP related stuff. Its a fun thread, and doesn't actually connect to the other RP's, but it *IS* story related, so in my book, that counts as RP.

Just a friendly first warning. 8)

Boy, I need to find more time to visit this place, I miss posting every day...
Robby the CR Admin
Thursday, February 10, 2000 09:31:13 PM
IP: spider-tn072.proxy.aol.com

BENGALI - Hmm... You've got a good point there. I think that we must have missed the significance of the "Lennox Macduff" alias during our Breakdowns. (A lot of it was probably thanks to our notions about Macbeth's response to the play having been colored by Batya Levin's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 10, 2000 09:15:26 PM
IP: 216.87.46.22.dialup-stl.primary.net

*Archwolf walks wearily into the room, covered with sweat* I am about to utter a phrase I thought would NEVER leave my mouth...TOO MUCH FENCING. And I have a tournament this sunday I plan on winning.

Mecord: She is a Music Therapy major. *Works through various warm-down stretches* As for the highschool team, we _didn't_ have one until a freind of mine and I rounded up a couple teacher who were interested in a fencing team. Of that first generation, I am the only one who stuck around to be an assistant, and am also the only one still fencing. Those were good days.

*Looks around at all the chibi's running around* Allrigh, I'm starting to get curious (which tends to be a bad thing, actually) How does one get a chibi? Just say 'well, now i have a chibi, too?' and are they restricted to the Gargoyle's universe?

Well, I have some armoring to do, so catch y'all later
*Sits in corner rewiring yet _another_ epee blade, hoping not to get super glue in his fur again.*
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 09:13:34 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Doug & Airwalker> Just a clarification, since I think I was the one who mentioned the "rush to marriage" as an explination. What I was trying to say was that once the first couple got together (Maggie & Talon, I think - and we can assume they had a fairly long courtship) other romantically inclined cast members would suddenly have an example of getting together, making that option stand out more in their minds. Weddings are contagious that way. :)

That doesn't necessaraly create a domino effect, but it makes marriage a slightly more likely option in the minds of the stable couples, or even the single folks (I tend to find weddings kind of depressing for that reason).
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, February 10, 2000 07:44:38 PM
IP: dll2a030-1044.splitrock.net

Hello everyone!

Usually I'm quite lazy with posting, and this is the first in this comment room, but since a lot of you are concerned about the situation in my home country, some words from me about this topic, I hope I can calm you down a bit...

First: I don't like Haider. My political direction is approx. between liberal and socialistic. But: You dont have to take Haiders words literally. He is a populist (I hope it's the right translation...), not a fascist. He says what the people want to hear. (e.g. the infamous "Waffen-SS" saying - he said that on a WWII veteran's meeting. He was the first who wanted to bring Austria into the EU (in the late 80s), but when he saw that the leading partys (SPO/OVP) really did it some years later, he cried loudest "Dont! The EU is bad!". And so on.)
Then, Haider is not the whole FPO. He doesn't even sit in the parliament, and while there are some people like him in his party, most are not. For example, the new Minister of Finance was a former leading member of Magna (in Europe), a large group (worlds largest car parts producer)
Surely, the FPO is not MY ideal solution for the Austrian government, but who is? One of the two former leading parties, the SPO, was only looking to keep their power. They were no longer a "party for the people", what a socialist party should be, but a "party for themselves", and people became annoyed. The OVP (the other former and new leading p.) wasn't able to go on with this party, so they looked for another partner - the FPO, which - with Haiders help (demagogic) got more and more votes. So: we have a new coalition.
And I know that this coalition will never do anything that could cause racist excesses, anti-democratic laws or something like that. First:The other parties wouldn't allow that. Second: The FPO has no intention to do that. And there has already been a government with the FPO in Austria! In the early 80s, the socialists and the Freedom Party ruled together for 1 legislation period (Again, i hope I translated it properly...) and nothing fascist happened.

Is it a good government? This has to be proved...and Haider is still a big idiot, but:
Is it a fascist government? Definitely no.

I hope I could relax some of you...
Snyder - [e9525710@stud4.tuwien.ac.at]
Vienna, Austria
Thursday, February 10, 2000 07:37:48 PM
IP: a01.dialin.tuwien.ac.at

Todd>Yes, but If he had hated the play as mush as TGS has him hate it, why would he have chosen the name "Lennox Macduff"?, He never showed any hatred for the play on the show, in fact he never mentioned the play on the show, the only time the play was mentioned was in the ep "Enter Macbeth" when Brooklyn mentioned it.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 07:30:58 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

Actually, I've been thinking it over, and I don't think that Titania *could* have intervened to save Elisa's life, for the simple reason that she says earlier in the elevator to Fox that faerie magic can't cure elf-shot. Even Demona's magic didn't so much cure the elf-shot that had wounded Elisa so much as transfer its lethal effects to her, which was the only reason why she was able to save Elisa's life. (And she survived only because of her magical link with Macbeth). So I don't think that Titania *could* have done anything.

BENGALI - You have to remember that Greg only made that revelation about Macbeth's response to the Shakespeare play after we came up with "The Scottish Play". In any case, we wound up deliberately ignoring most of what he said in "Ask Greg" so that we wouldn't have to keep on frantically revising our plans every time that he revealed something new.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 10, 2000 06:28:56 PM
IP: 216.87.46.189.dialup-stl.primary.net

Some very good points have been raised concerning Demona, and Xanatos, and I just had to jump in. No, I do not think Demona has suddenly become a "Mother Teressa", that is unrealistic, but to say that she has not changed is rediculous. We cannot ignore the fact that Demona did after all use the bloodstone to heal a fatally wounded Elisa. The one at fault there was Titania who gambled with Elisa's life that Demopna would do the right thing. No, if Demona were to slip back toward her old self, it would be because of someone close to her being severely wounded, possibly killed, Andrea, and Angela come to mind. The other possibility is Demona slips toward her old self when her friends die of old age, and she's alone again. As for Xanatos still engaging in some less then legal activity, I would count on it. Makes for a much deeper, and interesting character.
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 06:11:39 PM
IP: fltg-ppp10.fltg.net

**A sudden pin point of light zips into the room and pauses overhead. Suddenly the light is gone, in its place is a dragon with shiny, gold-like skin. Sitting at the base of the dragon’s neck is the elf Mecord. The elf leaps of with a double back-flip and a half-twist, landing lightly in crouch. Standing, he bows dramatically.**

**<Warning, some of the following is fictitious.>**

Greetings and salutations one and all. The Guild has been kind enough to allow me a moment or two before I cruise off planet on yet another “diplomatic mission.” I would like to thank everyone who has expressed a concern over my sanity (or the depletion there of). Worry not. Remember you are talking to a psycho-projection which actually looks nothing like the person I represent. And while I speak for him, as him, we are not in fact the same person. I (Mecord that is) am an extraterrestrial elf from a planet called Magia. I traverse planets on the back of a magical dragon who turns into a particle of “light”. In my travels I once encountered a wizard that gave me the ability to hear the thoughts of any and every creature, but neglected to give me the ability to control it. Try staying sane while laying next to an anthill when you can hear the thoughts (or what passes for thought with insects) of billions screaming unfiltered through your head. After a while one just gets used to the odd fractals of existence.

The person I represent (who is a red headed descendant of both Vikings and Scotts by the way) is a student and has little other life than that. Back to the sanity thing, homework in and of itself will cure that problem. If either of us held any credibility for being sane, we would hardly be here.

Well, that’s enough from me, the “real” person wants a chance to say something.

**<Personality changes, fictitious stuff passes>**

David G.>( My first initial is actually "R.")> That’s okay, my last initial is “H”.

Archwolf>(USU, huh? One of my dear friends is transfering there after this semester. )> What is your friend’s Major?

Archwolf and Delphi>> Your Highschools had fencing? No fair! I had wait until collage.

Now I would like to get in this Demona discussion. Many people have some good points. But I don’t find her current situation and standing with the clan all that odd. Yes it could be of an act, but not all of it. Demona has never been very emotionally stable, something TGS Dark Ages has brought out a little. I agree that a lot of it began simply to humor Angela. Demona has always wanted to turn her to her own views, and probably still plans to. In “Lethe” Demona made a human friend and was sent for a psychological spin. The experience seemed to leave her in a “human mode”. She does have something of a split personality. Lately she’s been spending more time as a human the a gargoyle. I think she’s beginning to get used to it, personifying the role she has played. I don’t think she’s anymore stable than before. Sooner or later she’ll convince herself she’s been a fool and go back to complete gargoyle. She hasn’t abandoned her views of humans simply because she’s found a friend. She’s spent centuries alone, now that she finally has a friend, she’s loath to return to being alone. It probably wouldn’t take much for her to backslide at all. In fact, I would be surprised if Andrea and Demona didn’t have a falling out. Demona can’t really continue to improve unless they do. If they both just stay happy friends, Demona will learn nothing more from it. Growth often comes through challenges. The same with her relationship with the clan. They have been too distracted lately to worry about Demona as anything other than an uncomfortable ally. I think the future will show a lot of changes for good and bad with Demona.

On a slightly different note, I personally question Xanatos and his change to good side. True he would never alienate the clan at this point, we can trust him there, but I am still wondering if he still has a few, less than legal operations going on behind the curtains. With the clan in a place where he can watch them on a constant basis, it would be easy enough to avoid there patrols and keep his activities out of sight. We have to remember how intelligent and devious this man is.

**Beeping comes from Mecord’s intergalactic communicator on his belt**

Time to go. Hope I didn’t talk for too long. See ya later.

**Mecord mumbles something and disappears.**

Mecord: Guild member
Providence, Ut
Thursday, February 10, 2000 05:56:49 PM
IP: usr30.mtwest.net

Airwalker: Again, good responses. I think I'm beginning to enjoy this debate. :) Okay, here come mine.

<Xanatos and Fox were involved for years prior to getting married. Princess Katharine and Tom are a couple but it took them at least 10 years before they got together. So where is all this example of human rush into marriage for Broadway and Angela to see?> Do they know how long it took Xanatos and Fox to get together? I don't think so. Same deal with Tom and Katherine, who probably got together in the process of beginning to raise the Avalon clan hatchlings, and would therefore have been together for as long as Angela could remember. Do we know if she's ever asked them about love? No, we don't. Therefore it's best to assume she hasn't, and so the argument that they took a long time to get together and she would be influenced by that can't really be made effectively IMO.

<And anyway he did spend most of his young life living among his clan, and watching how Gargoyles approach relationships. He only spent two years in the modern world before he met Angela compared to the rest of his life that he spent among his clan in medieval times. He should be shaped much more by his various parent's behavior than that of a romance novel, although that's not to say that the novel wouldn't have some sort of influence.> True, but how much have his various parents been around him when he's actually in love? Only Goliath and Hudson were around much out of the many, and neither had really been approaching love with someone when Broadway first began to fall for Angela. Therefore he didn't have any other relationships to look at in judging how his should be paced. Not from gargoyles anyway. Angela didn't either. And with people as young and in love as they are, the present will be on their minds a lot more than the past.

<But she was raised by two humans who took years and years to get together. Plus add to that that they are Medieval humans with some medieval traditions and beliefs. They might have been ultra liberal for people out of that time but it's not like there could be no influence of the time on them. I think that Angela really got the idea of a slow and steady romance ingrained in her head more than anything else. And while living in the modern world should have some influence, I don't think that it would be as much as it was with the Trio. After all the first thing everyone must have told her was "Be careful of this [Ex. TV] or be careful of that".> Again, how could that have happened? As far as we know, she doesn't know how long it took Katherine and Tom to get together, nor has she consulted them about love. Yeah, they're medieval in mindset, but that doesn't mean Angela has to be. Nor does the fact that people are telling her to be careful mean she has to obey. Besides, think about it, how many parents in this world are really comfortable discussing love and sex with their kids?

<She knows that Katharine is a Princess and that Tom is her Knight in Shining Armor. That's how it's going to appear to her when she was a young child. And the fact that he occassionally went off Avalon on a quest or two reinforces that image. Now with a Princess and a Knight as a romantic example, wouldn't your mind be more inclined towards that kind of a relationship?> She also knows they're together and in love, and probably has guessed that if a priest or some such person were available they'd be married. I also think that having been raised by a Princess and Knight and hearing lots of stories about them would make Angela more inclined to a fast romance than a slow one. After all, long courtships between the hero and heroine do not exist in any fairy tales of which I know.

<Her purpose in leaving Avalon was to see the world and find her place in it, not to find a husband> True, but maybe she's decided that part of the place she wants for herself is as Broadway's mate?

<It's true that her life shakes up, that suddenly there's a clan of Gargoyles around, and not only but they also have rejected her. But she has a secret weapon against all that: Rationalization.> Uh yeah, but rationalization can only go so far. Sooner or later, reality is going to catch up. Even for an immortal, and especially for Demona. She's never really struck me as much of a long-term thinker, otherwise her plans would be a lot better than they were.

<The thing is that while Demona might spend 12 hours a day as a human being, she's never going to think like a human being. She's a Gargoyle. She might look human, she might even have herself a human friend, but the way she thinks isn't going to change. Her opinions and beliefs might change but not the way her mind is structured. She is always going to think like a Gargoyle.> Yeah, but living among humans and interacting with them is still going to affect her, right? I never said Demona would start acting human by hanging around humans long enough, just that it might help her understand them better and thus become more ready to abandon her hate.

<t'll just pass her by if she waits long enough. And that's how her mind is geared. How else could she cope with a
thousand years of misery except to say to herself that none of it matters because it will eventually pass by, that eventually she'll reach a time when things will go her way? "This too shall pass" must be her mantra.> I don't think so. Have we ever seen Demona saying that to herself, or thinking about it? No, we haven't. There are two basic types of immortals in fantasy stories, ones who are like you say, rational "This Too Shall Pass" types (good examples- Macbeth, Danu, Duncan MacLeod), and those who see their immortality not as part of who they are but as a tool, a blessing. Oberon's like this, and so was Madoc, and I believe, so is Demona. She takes her immortality for granted, she doesn't let it influence her on a conscious level like Macbeth and other "This Too Shall Pass" immortals do. Demona lives for the moment, she adapts the tools and situations of the moment to fit her needs. Yeah, she accepts the fact that she has an eternity of moments, but she doesn't let that dominate her thinking. Her drive to succeed in her plans NOW instead of six thousand years down the road is what motivates her, she's not like Harthoth or Maeve. The fact that she always lives in the present must also help Demona forget the pain of her past, as must her tendency to blame it on others and keep swearing vengeance on them. She's not the type of person who's content to just step away from an enemy and let time kill them, she has to do the deed. "Use What I am to Help Me Succeed in my Plans" is the mantra her immortality's given her, not "This Too Shall Pass" (that latter one applies to Macbeth more, IMO).

Again, good points. For the record, I agree with you about the Trio and Thailog. Thanks for opening my eyes on their characters a bit, I was concentrating a bit too much on my conceptions of Demona, Broadway, and Angela last post to think more about how they've developed. Hope you'll respond to this bit of points, but if you want to end this debate at any time by agreeing to disagree, you're more than welcome. And of course, so am I and everyone else. :)
Doug
Thursday, February 10, 2000 05:52:30 PM
IP: pool-209-138-203-47-dlls.grid.net

Warpmind>Maybe, but I still think they shoud've had more parts with Xanatos, Xanatos strikes me as someone who would try to take advantage of a situation like that, for instance I'm pretty sure that he would've talked to some of the members of the Wyvern clan to find out info and such.

Green Baron>So Janine has the high bid still?, well the price of that thing is gonna skyrocket. It doubled overnight, and still has 5 days left. On ebay things usually triple in price during the last day.

Jaden>Yep, that is a lotta times to get stung, and boy does it hurt, I was wearing sandles, shorts and a t-shirt when I stepped on the thing. And the foot that stepped on it got stung about 15 times alone, Its puffy and red and its almost impossible to walk.

Coyote the Bando>Yep.

TGS characterizations>They've done an okay job so far but there are a lot of problems with it...

Macbeth>Probs there are in the episodes "The Scottish Play" and "The Hunted", In "The Hunted" the writers had Macbeth say "But I treated ye like Family" to Banquo and Fleance. But the prob with that is that he didnt treat them like family, if I recall correctly in the episode "Lighthouse in a sea of Time" He threatened them that if the scroll was at the bottom of the ocean that they would join it. And in "The Scottish Play" they had it that he hated Shakespeares play, but the prob with that is that he didnt hate it, he was amused by it according to Greg. Why else would he choose the name "Lennox Macduff"?.

Demona>There are a lotta probs with her. For instance, they are having her reform way too quickly, Demona is very old and set in her ways and I seriously doubt that she could ever change them all that quickly. As for Andrea, I doubt that Demona would ever make friends with a human so quickly.

I'll finish this later when I have more time.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 05:44:04 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

topic: IMMORTALITY: how many kinds of immortality do we know of? {excluding magic}.

1) producing children {through Alex, David and Fox Xanatos are immortal in a way}.

2) self-replication {in the deserts, there's a kind of bush that matures, then sends a shoot out - which grows into an exact replica of that bush...around and around in a spiral, even after the original bush dies}.

3) diapause {tardigrades and other microscopic beings expel all the water from their bodies, thus surviving for centuries+, waiting for the rains to return.

Can anyone think of any others?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 05:41:37 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Airwalker: that quote 'this too shall pass'...sounds familiar...what/where's it from??

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 05:30:20 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Coyote The Bando: nice to see/hear that someone else's heard of the Slug. <G>

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 05:29:08 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

DOUG - You wrote: [They've both had a lot of contact with humans in their lives, and humans aren't really into long engagements, especially in modern times.]

It's true that they've had contact with humans and that in these times people aren't really into long engagements. But consider the humans that they know. Elisa and Matt are single. Xanatos and Fox were involved for years prior to getting married. Sara Jasper is single. Princess Katharine and Tom are a couple but it took them at least 10 years before they got together. So where is all this example of human rush into marriage for them to see?

You wrote: [Broadway would have been influenced by this in finding love, especially since most of his experience with it up until Angela comes from romance novels and plays such as Romeo and Juliet where things happen quickly for the couples.]

I agree that he probably got most of his idea's from Romance novels. But I don't think he got around to reading Romeo and Juliet until THE JOURNEY. And anyway he did spend most of his young life living among his clan, and watching how Gargoyles approach relationships. He only spent two years in the modern world before he met Angela compared to the rest of his life that he spent among his clan in medieval times. He should be shaped much more by his various parent's behavior than that of a romance novel, although that's not to say that the novel wouldn't have some sort of influence.

You wrote: [Angela was likewise raised by humans, and since she was isolated from the world and ideas of love on Avalon, she would get her romance views from the same sources, probably. Therefore they were predisposed to take things fast.]

But she was raised by two humans who took years and years to get together. Plus add to that that they are Medieval humans with some medieval traditions and beliefs. They might have been ultra liberal for people out of that time but it's not like there could be no influence of the time on them. I think that Angela really got the idea of a slow and steady romance ingrained in her head more than anything else. And while living in the modern world should have some influence, I don't think that it would be as much as it was with the Trio. After all the first thing everyone must have told her was "Be careful of this [Ex. TV] or be careful of that".

You wrote: [Consider what drove Angela to Broadway.]

I wouldn't say she was driven to him. If she wanted to stay single, she could have done so. Nobody was going to force her to get into any relationships she didn't want to get into. She picked Broadway because he had qualities that she liked.

You wrote: [She picked him over the other two, and I think she would partly want to assert her choice of Broadway over Brooklyn and Lexington as effectively and quickly as possible.]

They aren't animals here. Once she picked Broadway all she has to do is say "Look, I picked him, that's the end of the story." In fact in TGS that's how things turned out more or less. Brooklyn didn't back off in TGS until she just came straight out and told him she wasn't interested. Give Brooklyn and Lex some credit. If they know she's not interested then they aren't going to push. In TURF and in all of TGS until I think THE HUNTED she just never really came out and said she wasn't interested which is why the competition continued.

You wrote: [What relationships had Angela seen in her life up until she met Broadway? Katherine and Tom, who were already a couple when they raised her as far as I know.]

She knows that Katharine is a Princess and that Tom is her Knight in Shining Armor. That's how it's going to appear to her when she was a young child. And the fact that he occassionally went off Avalon on a quest or two reinforces that image. Now with a Princess and a Knight as a romantic example, wouldn't your mind be more inclined towards that kind of a relationship?

You wrote: [Gabriel and Ophelia, maybe, but they weren't really together yet. Nor, I'm pretty sure, were any of the other Avalon clan members.]

I don't think that they can be counted. In TGS they didn't really get together until after Angela left Avalon. And besides, all the Avalonian Gargoyles would base their idea's of relationships off the only example they have, which is the same one that Angela has - Katharine and Tom. So I wouldn't look for much variety among the Avalonian idea of how fast love should pace itself.

You wrote: [Then there's Oberon and Titania, with whom she didn't have time to understand how they got together (or the chance either).]

They don't count since the only time she's really been around them is when they were in opposition to each other. And anyway Oberon is stuck somewhere in the Middle Ages himself. So the idea of love and romance he'd give off would have the same medieval elements that Katharine and Tom would have.

You wrote: [And of course her parents, who weren't a couple anymore (and did Angela ever take the trouble to find out exactly why not? I don't think so).]

I think that she did ask around but that everyone might be too reluctant to talk about it. It's not exactly a happy topic to bring up at the dinner table. I do think that somewhere along the line after MARK OF THE PANTHER she did ask Goliath about it but I don't think he would have given her a straight answer. I do think that she might have gotten some answer from Demona during THE RECKONING. But she's not stupid. There are obvious reasons for her parents not being together. And with some information that she could get I think that she could put two and two together.

You wrote: [Broadway would be all too happy to marry Angela whenever she wanted him to, he strikes me as mostly the fall head over heels fast type of Romeo and therefore one to defer to his mate a lot of the time. Therefore he would see no problem to letting Angela take charge of the pace of their relationship (and I've already said why she'd want to move things fast).]

I agree that he'd be willing to marry her any time she would have wanted to get married but I don't think that she would be in such a rush to get married. Don't forget to add in the fact that she hasn't been in the real world all that long. Her purpose in leaving Avalon was to see the world and find her place in it, not to find a husband.

You wrote: [Let's consider how much different her life has been recently than it has in the past thousand years. All that time she was alone, Demona was the one major influence
on herself, she had no reason to change the way she behaved at all. Then, in 1994, she undergoes a series of shake-ups.]

It's true that her life shakes up, that suddenly there's a clan of Gargoyles around, and not only but they also have rejected her. But she has a secret weapon against all that: Rationalization. Anything that happens that goes against the way she thinks it should be must be because of something else, not her. She can't be wrong. And since she's immortal, she'll outlive whatever must be in conflict with her worldview which in turn would lead her to further feel that she is right. After all if she was wrong, wouldn't her opposition be able to last as long as her?

Not only that but even with others around her, she still doesn't think she needs to change. She thinks that she's right and everyone else is wrong and that eventually they'll see how right she was. She's like Oberon in a way. That is the legacy of immortality. She knows that she has experience on her side and that she has plenty of time to let everyone see that she's right. So why change when all you have to do is wait for the opposition to die? Winners write history and just by outliving those who are against her she wins after a fashion.

You wrote: [It also gets her a little more in tune with what it means to be human, and while that's not a big influence on Demona early on, I have a feeling it would become more of one as she started spending more time in human form and underwent all the various human emotions in it to some degree through her business dealings and the relationship with Macbeth, etc.]

The thing is that while Demona might spend 12 hours a day as a human being, she's never going to think like a human being. She's a Gargoyle. She might look human, she might even have herself a human friend, but the way she thinks isn't going to change. Her opinions and beliefs might change but not the way her mind is structured. She is always going to think like a Gargoyle. Thinking that she would start to think as a human, that she might start to feel human emotions, and after a while we might as well say she is a human who turns into a Gargoyle at night instead of keeping in mind she is a Gargoyle who becomes human in daylight. There's a big difference between the two concepts.

You wrote: [Then we have her encounter with Thailog, which in my opinion has really been underplayed as far as Demona's overall development goes.]

I agree that this event should probably be considered much more important in Demona's development.

You wrote: [She fell head over heels for the guy, grew to appreciate him as an equal and a mate even though he was over a thousand years her junior, trusted him with her life, and then he betrays her and leaves her hung out to dry!]

I don't think that she fell head over heels for Thailog. I don't think that she ever saw him as a mate. What I do think is that she saw Thailog as a Goliath substitute from the moment they met. And that Thailog knew it. That's why he had such an easy time plotting to have her die. She never loved him as Thailog or saw him as Thailog, as a seperate individual. He was just a version of Goliath that was more in line with the way she was currently thinking. And on some level she knew all this too. She probably wouldn't have been so bitter about his betraying her if he didn't create Delilah and try to kill Angela. I don't even think that it was his trying to kill Angela that upset her so much. She stopped him but she wasn't angry at that point. She got upset when she found out that Elisa beat her again, although this time it was by proxy.

You wrote: [Humans raised Angela along with the entire Avalon clan, and as far as we know, Demona apparently has no problem with the job they did. This would definitely be a
good point to argue that she can see that humans and gargoyles CAN get along.]

Actually she did have a problem with the Avalon clan being raised by humans. And I'm sure she had a problem with some of the way they were raised. But I think that those opinions might be quieted by a very small part of her subconscious that must always be muttering to her (especially in a thousand years worth of dreams) that she did abandon them after all so what right does she have to complain about the way they were raised?

You wrote: [Brooklyn's forgiveness of her]

Has Brooklyn every gotten up and outright forgiven her in the present day? Forgiving her in the future is useless since she's changed by that point. And saying to himself that he's forgiven her is all well and good but meaningless if he doesn't express it some way to her, in deed or in word.

You wrote: [Yeah, her long life would make her less inclined to change, but hey, when your life changes radically, you change with it to at least the same degree if you don't want to go nuts fast.]

But she's nuts on some level to begin with. Besides she can't die and she's never going to age. So what does radical change matter? It'll just pass her by if she waits long enough. And that's how her mind is geared. How else could she cope with a thousand years of misery except to say to herself that none of it matters because it will eventually pass by, that eventually she'll reach a time when things will go her way? "This too shall pass" must be her mantra.
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, February 10, 2000 05:01:41 PM
IP: 81.new-york-53-54rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

**shakes his head as he enters, trying to shake the cobwebs free**

Hi there, folks! Remember me? The nut in red? ;)

Ah well ... this has been one cruddy week ... so cruddy in fact I haven't posted in so long because I've been in (somewhat) shock. Y'see, the store's going though employment flux again. **rolls eyes** One guy quit, and the UOF I mentioned last week decided to go on another one of his little "sabbaticals," and from what we've been told is looking for an excuse ... *ANY* excuse ... to sue the store.
I was supposed to be off on Tuesday ... **laughs** two call-ins and UOF's little hissy fit knocked *that* idea cold. This week has SUCKED!! **screams up to the ceiling, then composes self**

Sorry. Let's see if I can catch up today ...

Mandi: The pics are in the mail, they've been sent Priority.

Bengali: Oh, lordy ... and people wonder why I'm frightened to death of anything with a stinger ...

Aaron/GB, re: Fatherland: I've seen this movie ... one question, GB, I don't recall but was Harry Turtledove involved in writing it in any way, shape or form? I only ask because he's the established *master* of alternate history fiction ("Fatherland" deals with the '60s had the Nazis won WWII).

Doug, re: PokeGone: Oh, that's funny. :)

Jannie: Congrats on the new channel! I've heard just today that my system's gonna get TD, as well ... but not until they convert their entire network to fiberoptic, and then they're only gonna do it for the cable-modem subscribers first before they do the rest of it ... **sigh** in other words, monkeys *will* be flying out of my @$$ before I get Toon Disney. :(

Mecord: Greetings, friend.

Christine: Whoa ... then I'm definitely gonna have to check out "Damien," to see how a successful ending goes. At this rate I'll never get to the end of mine ... real life is just getting too much in the way for me to do it lately ... **sigh** Ah well.

**pats Elisa-chan on the shoulder, then huggles Mara-ko** Nice filk of "I Still Believe." :)

SOROW, re: "Vows": Quite ironic, true. However, might I point out that they were showing the series in propr sequence on Disney every Sunday night until they got past "City of Stone." The next week they showed "Legion" again. The next week it was "The Mirror." The next it was "The Silver Falcon." Don't know what it was on Super Bowl Sunday, but I'm fairly confident it was another reshowing. It'd be nice if they'd get to the best parts of the series instead of taunting us (Give us Thailog! Give us Angela! GIVE US "HUNTER'S MOON" FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!!)!

SJ, re: XFL: WHEEEE!! All we'll need is Bobby Layne and the games being held at Tiger Stadium and it'll be back to the good ol' days. Remember? Back in the '50s when the Lions were actually (OMIGOD!) a *good team?!*

Jaden: Well, be thankful that they found out about that recall and did the work for free. Trust me, it's hell to have to take your car back to the shop for the same damned thing over and over again.

Incidentally, has anyone else here heard about the offhand comment made at Ain't It Cool News about a film called "The Final Apocrypha: The Return of the Gargoyles?" It's made the GROP (Gargoyles Ring of Power) webring mailing list very excited the last couple of days ... it was mentioned in passing during an article speculating on the identity of the new Anakin Skywalker.

Rodlox: Ah yes, the Yellow Tree Slug, better known as the Banana Slug and the mascot of UC-Santa Cruz. :)

**looks in Cali's portal** Hmmm ... looks quite inviting, if I must say so myself ... **takes Mara-ko's hand** C'mon, sweetie, let's go! **jumps through the portal**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, February 10, 2000 03:15:21 PM
IP: zzz-209252248083.splitrock.net

RP WARNING!!
**Reverend Attila ahs recently received the death report of his latest goon.
"Well, OJ killed again, but I owed him a few million in back pay. I might be willing to drop the hunt if he paid me the three million back. What do you think, Al?"
"Well, boss it all depends on how inflation looks, but seriously I think it may be better to have him pay you back, so you won't risk another goon. It will only be amatter of time that someone with living relatives die. Then, you'll have to pay all sorts of reparations to their Estate."
"Now, for more recent news. A new threat is in Austria. A Maximillain Hapsburg is offering us a small fortune and the Barony of Luchtenschielania (all six acres) if we will help overthrow the Freedom party and put him in charge. Therese should be interested in this, considering her own Bavarian heritage."**

Well, it's time for more RPing :)

Mara> Yes, my cat loves those awards :)

Christine> Maybe you can sell writing rights to thoose loose ends in your Universe on eBay :)

Bengali> Janine has the high bid on those tapes.

Sarge> Hmmm...that case inspired my Con law Professor to make a hypothetical Supreme Court case about the marraige of Ben and Jerry :) It was quite amusing.

Aaron> Fatherland is about a what if scenario in which Normandy fails and the Nazis win WWII. Churchill flees to Canada in disgrace and Joe Kennedy is elected President. Edward VII and Wallis Simpson also becoem puppet Nazi rulers in England. The movie is in 1964, and in Germania, the SS have become a police force and most of the German people or anyone in the world know nothing about the Holocaust, except some old SS agents who are being killed off by the Gestapo. Basically, one of teh old tiemrs gives an SS agent the information and he dies along with a reporter in succesfully giving the documents to President Kennedy, beofre he allies with a 75 yera old Hitler in Germania's war with the Soviet Union and an even older Stalin. Kennedy gets the information and withdraws any offers of aid, causing Germania to fall soon after.

Kitainia> $Here's an event for you, but you may be busy$

Xena Trek> You forget to kiss me ::grabs her and kisses her::

Starsinger> For osme reaosn, my e-mails to you ahve been returned.

Cherry Blossom> They might have a good homeschooling program, but the Nazis built nice roads too. Personally, I'd exporcise anything from that school :)

Gside> One thing I know is politics :) And I'm a Business Major.

News Update> In the past, you may have objected to the Catholci League. Now we can agree with them. They are protesting George W. Bush's visit to that den of heresy and hate, Bob Jones University, and for many reaosns, namely the anti-Catholic nature of this den of Cromwell. When Pope Paul VI died, Bob Jones called him "an Arch-Priest of Satan who would join his master Judas in Hell". It saddens me that such a Unievrsity still stands in the great nation. Bob Jones makes Jerry Flawell look good by comparison.

Wilek> $Wait until you see what happens next$ I heard soemthing scary. Fred Phelps is getting old, and a likely successor will be his daughter. At leats that family hasn't started a University.

Delphi> Mormon test? Go for it. I recall there are lots of Mormons in Idaho, and they're the more liberal faction, there :)

Warpmind> I thought the Vikings had a runic alphabet. BTW, when did they start getting called squareheads?

Meccord> Welcome

Janine> Such discipline hasn't existed in Catholic school since Vatican II. Besides, Reconcilliation is not given too often, but you can ask the chaplain for it and he can set up an appointment.

Doug> Austria's main industry is tourism. As for the EU, I am concerned about a big Euro-beaurecracy. I would be more comfortable, if it was simply a free-trade zone, but from what I've heard of conservatiev vioctories in teh European Parlaiment, as opposed to the dangerous Labor Party, it could be a great organization.

Jenna> Good luck.

Now, I'm off. Hope nobody objects to my latest RP :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, February 10, 2000 03:04:07 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

SJ > Scooby and Josie movies ... okay, consider me properly horrified! ; ) Gosh, and I used to _like_ Josie and the Pussycats ...

::so tired I totally forgot all else I was going to say::
Christine
Thursday, February 10, 2000 01:36:37 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Sneak Peak: IN TIME'S EYE

Lexington: Oh, Brooklyn its you. My, oh my, you’ve lost your hair, but that must have happened long ago. Didn’t it? Back when we were brothers?
Brooklyn: We’re still brothers.
Lexington: Oh, of course. I’m sorry, but things don’t work like they used. I suppose that’s the way of things: you turn the page on old friends and get used to the new faces. I understand, but sometimes Brooklyn, I swear to God, its right there in front of me. I’m not crazy, I’m not too old, I swear it. It’s just. . .you know what it’s like, to have a giant wave come every time you finish your sand castle.
Brooklyn: I’m sorry Lex, it’s been too long.
Lexington: I remind you of bad things. . . I’m sorry. How is Goliath?
Brooklyn: He died seventeen years ago.
Lexington: Oh, yes, that’s the way it is you know. It’s all like one giant picture album, you turn the page and get used to the new faces and watch them change till they disappear. But the key is you always keep turning the pages or else you’ll go mad with sadness.
Brooklyn: Right, Lex. I told Sogbo to give you your prescriptions. . .Come on. . . let’s forget about the past old friend.
Lexington: Sometimes I wish I could, but I can’t decide if I’m sadder when I forget or when I remember.

anonymous
Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:56:12 AM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

Aaron (loves your filks, btw)

Xelloss's eyes open, a flat and shiny look to them as he smiles very genki at Chibi Death.

"I think you underestimate *me*..."

Death is unimpressed. "What am I underestimating?"

Xellos raises a finger to his lips. "That... is a secret."
Hyena swoons. Death looks at them both, pissed.

Ventura wakes up, grabbing Death by the waist and clutching tight. She climbs up him. hber chibibosom pressed against his beak as she curlls into a ball around him "My birthright!!! My love!!!!!!"

Hyena and Xellos exchange glances and begin laughing again

Ventura glowers. ""Dont laugh at my love! i'll kill you! "

Mara Cordova
Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:48:15 AM
IP: spider-we042.proxy.aol.com

Saw Scream 3 last night. Had a few moments. Anybody who's seen it, I forgot to stay till the credits were over. Did anything happen?

Jenna> Best of luck at the interview, roomie. Hugs.

Warpmind> Well, if it does happen, I'll make sure you get a tape.

Mara> As usual, your filk kicked @$$. And now, let's check on the chibis...

Death looks over at Xellos.

"How in the He- nevermind. I suppose I should be grateful you didn't bring back Jerico instead."

He pats Ventura-chan on the head gently, then snakes his extendable cybernetic tail (a la Future Tense Lex) around her and shocks her into unconciousness.

"But who said anything about sharing? I don't think you realize who you're dealing with here, Xel. And since I'll never get the guys into those suits again... Hit it!"

(To the tune of Big Bad Voodoo Daddy's "Big Time Operator")

"I like to sneak a drink,
and roll my smoke.
You see I like my weapons big.

I wear big black coats
and armor vests.
And a big plate in my head.

I can take it on the chin
with a deathshead grin.
I'm a tricked out SOB
I know all of your tricks
I know how you thinks.
Don't wanna know just what I've seen.

You know that heroes and villians
are one and the same.
It's how you play the game.

You see I'm no fool.
I'm from the old school.
It's the fire from the flame.

(Grabs Hyena-chan and starts to swing dance her across the CR.)

I've got big ol' scars
a laser arm.
You know I'll pick your sockets clean. (Smiles evilly at Xellos)
I'm a dead-eye shootin'
black sword swingin'
and I clean up on the green.

I got the arm,
the eyes, the tail and wings.
You know I like my women mean.

'Cause I'm a big time operatin',
Never, ever hesitatin'
Tricked out SOB

'Cause I'm a big time operatin',
Never, ever hesitatin'
Tricked out SOB

I like to sneak a drink,
and roll my smoke.
You see I like my weapons big.

I wear big black coats
and armor vests.
And a big plate in my head.

I got the arm,
the eyes, the tail and wings.
You know I like my women mean.

'Cause I'm a big time operatin',
Never, ever hesitatin'
Tricked out SOB

'Cause I'm a big time operatin',
Never, ever hesitatin'
Tricked out SOB

'Cause I'm a big time operatin',
Never, ever hesitatin'
Tricked out SOB!"

He dips Hyena as the music finishes. She kicks him in the shins, and runs back to Xellos.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:52:59 AM
IP: a7x43.iwl.net

Mandi: So very sorry! I was tired as heck last night when I typed that (still am in fact, darn college). Hope you understand.

Gargs' Eating Habits: I always thought they were omnivorous myself.
Doug
Thursday, February 10, 2000 08:46:49 AM
IP: pool-209-138-63-25.dlls.grid.net

WarpMind: sorry about that {the 'ed'}...i tend to err on the sides of caution.

Mr Jenson: has it already been settled as to wether the gargoyles are carnivores, herbivores, frugivores {fruits}, or something else?

Alex Destine: hmm...maybe you humans actually have a clue. {like any dragon out hunting, i vanish in plain sight}.
ps: i said the Yellow {aka Banana} Tree Slug, which is in the Pacific Northwest, Americas....Escargo is French - so it might taste like chicken.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 08:38:53 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

About Angel, might I add, that I very much miss Doyle!!! He was so cute!!!...the little irish/scotich accent...I mean, I like Wesly, but hes just not as cool...Oh well, the entertainment bis is just out to get me I guess! :P

Bye For now!
Caliope
Thursday, February 10, 2000 08:36:22 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

While I can't really comment too much on how Demona was handled in TGS (that was mainly Patrick Toman's department), I can give one reason for why we went for the concept of reforming her (maybe too quickly, but it's hard to say). There was the feeling that any villainous scheme of Demona's after "Hunter's Moon" would feel anti-climactic. After all, how do you possibly top that particular genocide attempt? There was also the thought that this conclusive defeat of Demona's five hundred year old scheme might have left her feeling lost and bewildered, uncertain of what to do, with the suggestion (on Patrick's part) that she simply had no further schemes planned after that, which could leave her vulnerable now (as not before) to appeals to her better side.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 10, 2000 08:10:29 AM
IP: 216.87.46.73.dialup-stl.primary.net

<unnecessary righteous indignation>

Doug> <<Buffy Stuff: Thanks to SJ for the TV Guide info.>> Hey! I posted that!

</unnecessary righteous indignation>
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 08:05:58 AM
IP: 144.175.20.22

Welik> Yeah, you do that, check out the scary creatures, OK? :)

Alex> Blair witch hunting? I´m not going to end up looking at a wall, am I? :P If we´re not as cheap as the original crew(RIP :P) then we could actualy pay for an actual witch costme and someone to wear it! :P So are we filming the witch or actualy hunting it?

Rodlox> Realy? Snails dont tast like chiken? Well, there go my atemts at trying escargot! :P
Caliope
Thursday, February 10, 2000 08:05:31 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

Mr.Thrugg > you wrote: "What I can't stand is how Brooklyn suddenly became this wise-cracking goofball. In the show, he was a very solemn, calculating character more privy to anger than humor."
How very true... although I don't exctly dislike TGS characterization, I too would've wished more of the series Brooklyn.

Wilek Nereus > you wrote: "Um...the mutant deer would probably have been *caused* by the uranium dumping."
Well then... DUMP AWAY!! :P no, that would be mean, and Cali would hate us.... I could rish her frienship.... mmmm... let me think about it some more... :P
As for Blair Witch... I'm up for it too!
*goes and gets dressed in camping style*
But if we're going in, let's at least TRY to find the damn Witch!!! :)

Rodlox >u wrote: "humans are one of the few things that do _not_ taste like chicken"
And how would you know unless you've actually tasted..... *realization strucks*
Riiiiiiight.... *back away slowly*
Good Rodlox.... good.... (oh lord!..) :P

Caliope > Hey girl! Get dressed! we're going Blair Witch Hunting!! :)
Ja ne!

Alex Destine
Thursday, February 10, 2000 07:04:39 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

*Warpmind trots in, carrying his two chibis.*
Hullo again.

Rodlox: Good boat-builders and skilled navigators (heck, they found America over 500 years before Colombus), but most were illiterate. And, hey, no sweat. At least with these repeaters, I have the answer handy. ;) Frankly, I think Greg Weisman is worse off. And the name is Warpmind, not WarpedMind. ;)

Christine: Oh, good... not the end, just a cutback, eh?

Bengali: Have Xanatos carve his initials in the walls of Castle Wyvern on his honeymoon trip? Unlikely. After all, a thousand years or so later, he'll own it himself, anyway.

Aaron: So, you like my idea, huh? And a pox on my ever-drained wallet. (Doubt I'll make it to G2K; someone will have to make a VHS PAL recording of the events for me... puh-leez?)

Jannie: <Sarcasm>You sound like you have the perfect job.</Sarcasm> Seriously, though, I suggest you have words with Wilek for some neural inhibitors or something for the little tykes. *Chibi Talon leaps off Warpmind's shoulder and sits down next to Jenna, offering a shoulder to cry on and a hug.*

Archwolf: Dude, don't bother. Norwegian translations usually suck. A lot. To put it this way: the Norwegian language lacks the cultural background that English has, particularly when it comes to puns. But if there's poetry... oh, the horror, the horror... I am currently reading the Lord of the Rings in English, and I am abhorred at the translated poems and songs in the book... and I'm just in book two yet... Trust me, you're better off trying to get a new English copy.

Well, I might RP later; now I must leave.

See ya.
*Warpmind shimmers out, chibi Talon speeding after him.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, February 10, 2000 03:32:37 AM
IP: hume.ti.telenor.net

Warpmind-of course I'll keep babbling. Wouldn't want people to think that I'm normal or something. :P

Bengali-Bees- That is a lot of times to get stung. When I was young I remember having bee troubles (usual thing when you live in a small town out in the sticks) but never more than one at a time. I hope you're doing better now.

Sorow-bowling- Isn't it a great feeling when you just drop all your worries, go out have fun and relax, then return with new energy and all your problems seem a little easier to carry?

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, February 10, 2000 03:03:20 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Chimpanzees have 98% of a common DNA as you Humans.

Interesting side note: humans are one of the few things that do _not_ taste like chicken. the Yellow Tree Slug {an actual college mascot} is another.
Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 02:41:34 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Buffy Stuff: Thanks to SJ for the TV Guide info. So the Faith deal will probably happen? Great! Hope the body switch I mentioned will too (Evil SMG was the only thing I really liked in Cruel Intentions, might be fun to see it in Buffy :). I too dislike how Buffy goes into typical-blonde mode whenever she meets a cute guy, especially since it casts bad vibes on blondes and tough girls in real life. :( I try to discourage the same thing happening with such characters in my fanfic, because I favor real life over stereotypes. Unless it fits the character and the situation to do something different, in which case, they usually go ahead. :)

Mr. Thrug: Welcome to the CR, if I haven't said it before now. Good comments about Brooklyn, I agree with them. He is not the wisecracking jokemeister Xander-type of Gargoyles, Puck is the only canon character who even comes close to that (and he's a bit too overboard with it most of the time to be as enjoyable a character as Xander is). I too have disliked him being portrayed as such in TGS, even though the jokes themselves are usually enjoyable. (Note- Brooklyn's humorous side does exist, but I agree that it should be downplayed in his character, especially post-Timedancer. That's why in my writing the role is usually filled by Zack, Graeme, or some other similar more funny-type person. Not to disparage TGS, they can do whatever they want and do it well, I just occasionally like to do things differently. :)

Airwalker: Good responses to my comments, and thanks for the added good points. Here're a few more things I thought of while reading them:

<Why speed everything up so they end up together in 2000 when they could have just as easily let everything flow nice and slow until 2004 or 2005?> Well, that would have its merits, as speeding things up also does. Not sure which is better for the plot, but I think for Broadway and Angela's characters the faster route was better. Several reasons. One- They've both had a lot of contact with humans in their lives, and humans aren't really into long engagements, especially in modern times. Broadway would have been influenced by this in finding love, especially since most of his experience with it up until Angela comes from romance novels and plays such as Romeo and Juliet where things happen quickly for the couples. Angela was likewise raised by humans, and since she was isolated from the world and ideas of love on Avalon, she would get her romance views from the same sources, probably. Therefore they were predisposed to take things fast. 2. Consider what drove Angela to Broadway. The Trio fought over her, and Broadway was the only one who was nice. She picked him over the other two, and I think she would partly want to assert her choice of Broadway over Brooklyn and Lexington as effectively and quickly as possible. Another vote in favor of speed. Correllary- what relationships had Angela seen in her life up until she met Broadway? Katherine and Tom, who were already a couple when they raised her as far as I know. Gabriel and Ophelia, maybe, but they weren't really together yet. Nor, I'm pretty sure, were any of the other Avalon clan members. Then there's Oberon and Titania, with whom she didn't have time to understand how they got together (or the chance either). And of course her parents, who weren't a couple anymore (and did Angela ever take the trouble to find out exactly why not? I don't think so). Nothing really to make her think about taking things slow with her own love. 3. Broadway would be all too happy to marry Angela whenever she wanted him to, he strikes me as mostly the fall head over heels fast type of Romeo and therefore one to defer to his mate a lot of the time. Therefore he would see no problem to letting Angela take charge of the pace of their relationship (and I've already said why she'd want to move things fast). 4. The time of their marriage was just after the end of a big conflict for the clan, and they were reminded of the need to continue the Gargoyles species, so that would have some influence on their decision to do things quickly, right? :) Plus, they somewhat know from Brooklyn that possibly bigger crises for the clan are in the future, so they will want to build happy memories now. In conclusion on this topic, yeah, some readers would like for things to have happened slower, but the way they did was just fine for both the situation and the characters involved, at least IMO.

Demona: Ack, complicated topic. <sighs> Didn't really expect you to say so much on it. And to be so right about so many things in my opinion as well as yours. :) I agree with you about many of them, especially the Generations-related one (that reaction to her by the clan is the main reason why I kept Generations as part of my fanfic saga, along with the Demona development in it, which was an excellent preview for further shakeups that I had planned to occur in her life and make her stop being bad). I also agree that she should remain in a gray area mostly and even if she becomes an outright good guy she should still be one with many flaws (too much brutality, bad temper, and willingness to transfer her problems and anger onto whoever she percieves as her foes are just a few good ideas I've used in my fics).

The other points you made were good, but I can't really support them as much. First, you say that Demona's age and immortality should make her slower to change, not faster. That is correct, generally, but let's consider how much different her life has been recently than it has in the past thousand years. All that time she was alone, Demona was the one major influence on herself, she had no reason to change the way she behaved at all. Then, in 1994, she undergoes a series of shake-ups. Her clan is brought back to life by a human she worked with, and they turn against her, competly defeating her expectations (yeah, this didn't turn Demona good on its own, but it did have an effect). They soon begin ruining all her plans to turn them against humanity, get rid of them, kill off humanity, etc, and this has got to have Demona's conscience on some level wondering if she's really in the right even though she keeps on outwardly believeing she is. Then Puck puts that spell on her, which as you said, gets Demona thinking in terms of herself and Dominique as seperate entities to some degree. It also gets her a little more in tune with what it means to be human, and while that's not a big influence on Demona early on, I have a feeling it would become more of one as she started spending more time in human form and underwent all the various human emotions in it to some degree through her business dealings and the relationship with Macbeth, etc. Then we have her encounter with Thailog, which in my opinion has really been underplayed as far as Demona's overall development goes. Let's look at what his effect might be on her. She fell head over heels for the guy, grew to appreciate him as an equal and a mate even though he was over a thousand years her junior, trusted him with her life, and then he betrays her and leaves her hung out to dry! Maybe this helped her see that gargoyles weren't the perfect race she thought they were, that they could be just as bad as humans if so inclined? It also made Demona undergo being decieved and manipulated, when all her life she had been the one doing that to people and not a victim of the same thing. Becoming a victim to some degree had to open her eyes to reality a lot more. Then of course we have the big whopper of a development- her daughter Angela. Demona didn't even know she had a daughter, and with Angela's existence comes many more shocks to her view of humans- 1. Humans raised Angela along with the entire Avalon clan, and as far as we know, Demona apparently has no problem with the job they did. This would definitely be a good point to argue that she can see that humans and gargoyles CAN get along. (So is her ability to effectively run a large company of humans disguised as one, but to a lesser degree.) 2. Angela does not support her views of humans. Now, you're right, that might not be a problem for Demona, but consider this. The clan she'd barely thought about in a thousand years until she helped awaken them didn't share her views, she easily made them enemies and could avoid caring. Even with her old mate Goliath it could be handled. However, when her child goes against her on the view, that is bound to have more of an effect on Demona. Especially considering the fact that she wants to be an influence on Angela, as her mother, and therefore she would be more willing to change because she wants to get Angela on her side. And if she can't do that by holding on to her grudge, well, parents who really love their children will make any concessions necessary to have a good relationship with them. I've learned that through experience with my own folks and my friends'. :) 3. Angela's just as willing as Demona's old clan to thwart her plans to destroy humanity, make human friends, etc. The effects this would have on her can be inferred from the reason above. These are just the shake-ups Demona's had in the original Gargoyles series, TGS has quite a few more of them I could go into (Brooklyn's forgiveness of her, Andrea, the revelation to her of the Ishimura clan getting on well for hundreds of years living with humans, humanity's rejection of the Quarrymen, the whole Madoc deal and how she was forced to oppose him and by default his plans to destroy much of the human race simply because he opposed her clan, making peace somewhat with Macbeth so they don't immediately attack each other on sight, etc). Yeah, by itself, none of these things would change Demona, but taken together, I think that even the ones from the original Gargoyles series alone would be enough to make her become if not completely good again at least MUCH more tolerant of humans and more inclined to want to rejoin her clan (and thus give up her hate). Yeah, her long life would make her less inclined to change, but hey, when your life changes radically, you change with it to at least the same degree if you don't want to go nuts fast. Demona understands that on a subconscious level, and Angela has probably helped bring it to the forefront of her mind too. What do you think? (Other people are encouraged to comment on this too of course, I'm particularly looking forward to anything Todd and Christine have to say.)

<she's just going to get turned into a normal, boring, slightly older, seen more/done more version of Angela> I don't think so, Demona's a different character from Angela in many ways. Even if she becomes good again, she is not going to be the Angel we saw in 974. The differences between the characters are many, and I think that even if Demona became good the basic emotions that led to her going bad would still remain in her personality to some degree and thus propel her into situations that would make her get into trouble, backslide, keep her character interesting and undergoing conflicting development, and so on. Her temper alone could do a lot of it, and so could her tendency to lash out at others with her anger instead of keeping it inside. Then there's her history of not accepting responsibility for who she is, which could carry over to her good side as well. Demona could talk about atoning for her past misdeeds and be encouraged to do it, but how much would _she_ really be motivated towards atonement? Because of her own feelings, not those of Angela, Goliath, or someone else? This could lead to at least one interesting story, and I'm sure it could be taken in other directions as well. Then there's the fact that Demona overreacts a lot of the time to things, which could motivate her to do a lot of bad stuff once again even if she became a good guy. Like go after a human who publicly makes a lot of negative comments about gargoyles and thus influences a lot of humans to react badly to gargoyles, but is not really to blame for all the problems those humans cause (yes, I am planning a fanfic on this thread at some time in the future). The clan could have a problem with that, couldn't it? Or she could go too brutal on some typical gang members while on patrol and thus weaken gargoyles' public image. These are just a few examples of good Demona stories that could be written even with her as a good guy. I'm sure others can think of more. :) Your backslide ideas and the creativity demon concerning Andrea are great ideas too, I wonder if they'll ever be done in TGS.

<I live with my parents and brother and we have arguments all the time. How is it that a dozen Gargoyles, three humans, and a Fey managed to get along with such little friction?> I don't know, but I agree in real life seeing this happen might be a little strange. :) I do know it's possible for a group to be diverse and get along with little friction, though, my friends and I do it all the time. My family and I too (yeah, we've had and still have our problems, but we're able to ignore them most of the time). Maybe the fact that things are different for gargoyles than they are for humans has an influence. Relationships, those of family and clan especially, mean a lot more to gargoyles and therefore they'd be less inclined to often fight amongst themselves. The same tendency could rub off on the humans around them, especially ones like Elisa who get very close to the clan. Then there's the fact that the gargs have plenty of enemies around them, who they need to constantly band together to outwit and defeat. That would definitely foster a spirit of teamwork. I'd wager most human families IRL, including mine and yours, don't have the same thing and therefore can't accurately appreciate its influence. Personally, I like it that the gargoyles and their friends generally get along fine with each other while defeating the enemies who don't as much, it builds the good vs. evil plot well and makes for more interesting and easy-on-the-mind stories overall.

Okay, there's my response to your responses. :) I could say more, but I'm a little too tired right now. Hope this debate has interesting developments, I will be watching it in the days ahead. :)
Doug
Thursday, February 10, 2000 01:50:52 AM
IP: pool-207-205-234-123.dlls.grid.net

Wilek-thanks

Rodlox- Gorillas? Huh? I like gorillas. They have 98% of our DNA
Mr. Thrugg
Thursday, February 10, 2000 01:43:17 AM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

on Mutant Deer: hey, at least i can get them to eat from my hands. {interesting note: all deer cannot digest dragon flesh}.

Mr Thrugg: please don't insult gorillas like that.
Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 01:06:00 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

here's a thought about the -Demona Changing Too Quickly(?)- thread:

_HOW_ does one survive for 1000 years? i'm talking mentally, not physically.
one method might be to develop little sub-sets of her personality, used one by one. each one would begin just like the Demona of Wyvern Scotland, gradually changing.....
in this respect, she could be psycologically mortal, with all the ups-and-downs associated with that.

Demona might simply have MPS! {multiple personality syndrome}.

if you'll excuse me, i have to go strangle my other Selves.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:53:34 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

**RP IN THIS GENERAL DIRECTION**

[Wilek's team is in the docking bay's control room with the command staff, watching the battle raging below. Wilek: "Rho, would you mind telling me exactly why you're not allowing my people to participate in this? You do realize that these are *demons* on your station." Rho: "Because we're working on a way to expel them from the station without harming you or the Ravens." Wilek: "Then why haven't you just beamed them out?" Khesaat: "Primarily because they're doing a rather good job of holding the creatures at bay while the Administrator's drones finish the emitter." Wilek: "Emitter? Have I missed something?" Rho: "A device that creates an interphasic resonance field capable of disrupting the internal cohesion of non-corporeal life forms, to the extent that they're either destroyed or wish they were. Demons fall nicely into that category." Anoth: "Which still fails to explain why we are not allowed to assist our allies." Khesaat: "Because the emitter is also in the habit of killing *corporeal* life forms, so we'll have to beam the Ravens out of there before setting it off. But the creatures are somehow interfering with the transporter's ability to lock on to anything; we'll be able to evacuate the Ravens and the few others who've joined the fight, but not much else." Rho: "That's why none of our stormtroopers are down there." Wilek: "I see..."] (Note: The computer identifies SJ/Sammael as human, so he'll be beamed out unharmed with the rest of them. This is so as not to disrupt SJ's or anyone else's plans. :) Also, at the RPers' discretion, it might not affect the more powerful minions as much, and of course it's all but useless against the demon lords. Of course, if any of this interferes with anyone else, we can have the emitter not work or be destroyed.)

**SUSPEND RP UNTIL COMPLETION OF REPLIES**

Alex> <<Mutant Deer Hunting?!?!?!??!..... no don't cancel THAT! I wanna join! :P>> Um...the mutant deer would probably have been *caused* by the uranium dumping. >;) (Of course, there could be all manner of nasty things in the woods that we don't know about...think Blair Witch Project...)

Warpmind> <<I, who happen to possess more moderate drinking habits (like maybe a beer with dinner, or so), keep looking at the surrounding humans with something akin to scientific curiosity...>> I can see why the whole situation would feel like Gorillas In The Mist; I've met people that provide compelling evidence for the theory of evolution. ;)

Spike> <<the Alternate Gargoyles Universe. (And if you can remember THAT, you are an oldtime fan!)>> Hm...I think that was one of the very first Gargs fan sites I ever tripped over, back when I first found the Internet...

Caliope> <<I have a mutant deer problem on my island?!!?>> I'm not sure, actually...I'll have to send in a survey team...

Aaron> <<The bit in the bar where Stallone says "What're you always b!tchin' about?". It was like whoa!>> <hehe> And of course the mention of 'erotic fantasies'. <LOL> Not to mention the violence...great animated film. >8)

Spacebabie> <<urgh I feel the beginning of a cold...a chest cold wich is ok because I can still breath through my nose, but the cold is at the stage when you feel like you have to cough but don't wann because you know it will hurt. I need Dimetapp>> ACK...<mauls Sli Sludge with a large sharpened fish and gives Spacebabie some enchanted chicken soup> Get well soon...hopefully this will help, but the spell is a little...odd...

Delphi> <<Okay someone sent me this great MORON test do you all want me to post it? it was kind of fun.>> Sounds interesting. :)

Mercord> <<I have heard a lot lately about a new Star Trek series with Kevin Sorvo from Hercules as the captain.>> Gads I hope that's a rumor...Trek and Sorbo just don't go well together...

Jannie> Your area seems to have as many stupid parents as Pistoff's area has stupid customers. O_o (Wonder if there's a connection...)

Fanfic Progress> I've hit a snag. Anyone know when and under what circumstances the Men In Black (yes, *those*) were founded? (This isn't nearly as much of a spoiler as it sounds.)

Doug> <<Why hasn't some group of do-good politicians and concerned people (including the real Christians of the world) gotten together and blown this backwards crazy joint full of idiots out of existence?>> Because I can't decide on the right warhead to use. Photon torpedos have a very nice look to them, but forced singularity warheads are so much *cooler*...and of course straight nukes have nice big explosions...but there's something to be said for massdrivers as well... ;P

Archwolf> <<Damn, That was the one that got stolen from me, too. *Considers learning Norwegian*>> There's a nice translator at www.intertran.net. :) (Of course, typing it in sentence by sentence would be pretty tedious, but it's a tempting last resort...) <<Well, I could also just call up my friend the IlKahn and have him jump the WCS DireWolf into near-orbit and turn Austria into one solid sheet of glass, like the Ghost Bears did to Edo.>> Um...I'm guessing this is a reference to a game I haven't played? :}

SJ> <<Word out now is that Jennifer Love "36 C" Hewitt has been offered the role of Daphne in the future live-action Scooby Doo movie.>> O_o Wasn't the animated series bad enough? <sigh> Oh well, with any luck they'll get Christine to do the script; then at least it'll be an interesting case study (on this subject, I believe the author of the document at my name link is psychic). ;) j/k <<And there's talk of another "I know....Summer" movie.>> Eh? What are they going to call it? "I Still Know What You Did Summer Before Last?" :P

Mr. Thrugg> Welcome back! ^_^

**REPLIES COMPLETE. ENTERING RP AREA.**

[A group of about six Borg stride into the hangar bay, four of them killing demons and the other two toting a largeish apparatus that looks like a mass of crystal antennae into the battlefield. Doug and Kitainia exchange a confused and concerned glance, and Kit rushes over to ask them, "What is this thing?" Borg: "An interphasic resonance emitter, designed to expel and destroy noncorporeal life forms, such as demons. As it also has detrimental effects upon corporeal life, you and your team are advised to prepare for emergency beamout." Kit: "Hm...alright, I'll tell the others, then one of us will come back and let you know when we're ready." Borg: "Confirmed."]

**END RP UNTIL NEXT POST.**
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:47:42 AM
IP: tnt-1-07-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hi there. I've written here before, but no one probably remembers me. Since we got on the topic of characterizations, I had to jump in.

Demona- I always thought her a ridiculous character in the television show. She's too complicated. SHe's good then she turns out evil then she starts becoming good again. Although I don't remember a lot of the specific episodes well, I never saw how Demona could turn into such a horrifically evil gargoyle. Neither did I agree with her hatred for humans. Frankly, she seemed smart enough to realize that one can't generalize about a species without exceptions. Her hatred for the clan when it reawakened in NY seemed ridiculous to me too. I find it very unlikely that she could aim to manipulate and even destroy a group of gargoyles she once considered her family which obviously means something to her due to her bond with Angela.

TGS characterizations- I think they do a good job. Lex is a little more pouty than I'd like, but I understand that interpretation. Goliath, Hudson, and Broadway act just as they would have in the show. THough I don't think they give Broadway enough credit. He had some biting remarks during hte show. What I can't stand is how Brooklyn suddenly became this wise-cracking goofball. In the show, he was a very solemn, calculating character more privy to anger than humor. True, he had a lot of good biting, sarcastic remarks, but in TGS his jokes aren't even that funny. After he says stuff you expect to hear the drum and cymbols right after it. The fact that he was a relatively taciturn character made his quips all the more funny.

XFILE SPOILERS= I too was actually able to sit through the entirety of this episode. Though extremely vague explanations of the mom in the prison ticked me off. They always have these characters tell Mulder these mystical, unclear things and then he just nods like he totally understands. AN FBI AGENT ASKS QUESTIONS! And the visualization of the dead is a pretty standard x-files cliche. Another thing that bothers me is that Mulder and Scully always say "your sister" or "my sister" but they never say Samantha. Maybe its because the writers want us to see that Mulder is detached and only views her as a goal to be ascertained, but its so dang monotonous. To tell the truth, I think the show needs to end soon and start making a movie every few years.

TGS- I emailed TOdd about this and he didn't what to do. But I read you had a small staff, and I'm offering my services. Samples are available of gargoyle and non-gargoyle stuff, all unfinished though. Hope to hear from you.
Mr.Thrugg - [rubbermn16@aol.com]
Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:39:07 AM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

Airwalker> <<Angela spent roughly the same amount of time and effort in THE RECKONING but got little in the way of results. Why has it all of a sudden changed now that they are on the outside?>>: Perhaps because Demona does not have one single scheme on which to concentrate on bringing to fruition. On the outside, perhaps she is more attentive to what is actually going on, as with her relationship w/ Angela.

Lone Gunmen spinoff: Am I the only one who roots for the techies?

David G.> The Rush toward Marriage: Of course there is always the new perspective gained after a crisis situation, or a string of them...

For an example of extreme Rutgers scariness, see http://www.themedium.net/ That is an actual "newspaper" printed weekly at Rutgers. Oh, yes, and the first issue used "Owen in Fallout part 1" as an add with the caption "Owen says to read The Medium" (see TGS picture archives). This is the same issue that had a giant picture of Bob Sagat on the cover, with the words "Rape me" printed on his forehead.

Hmm... I seem to be spending too much time sharing the vulgar here (prev. paragraph, brothers "art",...), so I think I shall complain.
#1: Why didn't my MacBeth/Falstaff creativity deamon hit it off? Perhaps it was to soon after AI? Perhaps Bill's history plays are too boring for anyone to actually read?
#2: Yes, I am a pedant, but grammar gets to me. I can understand typos, but sometimes... eh, if I go on, I'll probably make too many enemies.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:30:04 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Interesting discussion on Demona, wish i could get in on it, but I'll pass.

I missed the last half of Buffy, but on reflection. haven't we been down this road with Buffy before. She meets some guy becomes the sterotypical blonde, unable to keep a thought in her head and forgets her friends. Didn't we fly this course, with Faith and Angel? At first, I thought it was cute that someone who could take down demons would be all thumbs in the romance department. But it's starting to becomes a habit with Buffy. Cute guy comes in and brains go out.

On a differing note, I did find Tara interesting or actually her shyness. I remember Willow being similarly shy, not to the same degree in the beginning. It's interesting to think how far Willow's character has evolved from that.

Question: any thoughts on why Willow hasn't told Tara about the rest of the freaky stuff that goes down in Sunnydale. I'd think being a practicing witch demonstrates and ability to handle the weird. Same question can be put to Buffy about telling Riley about Watchers or Giles about working with them.

I may be wrong. I missed the second half, where anything could have happened. Just thought I'd toss that out to ge people talking.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 11:36:35 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Hi everybody. I just thought I'd throw out a few grenades on the topic of last season's TGS.

First of all, Mecord (hope I spelled your name right)> My first initial is actually "R."

Now, with that little mystery to keep everybody interested, I'll get on with the post.

Demona - I'll go with the "Demona's changing too fast" crowd on this subject, except that the writers could be pulling a fast one (retroactivley, if necessaray). There are two topics here, and here's my opinion's on both.

1 - Demona's personality> I have always mantained that Demona is just faking to get closer to Angela, and her ocassional bouts of real "goodness" (saving Elisa, liking Andrea) are the only REAL way that she's changing. As soon as something happens that she chooses to interpret as a betrayal, she'll go off the deep end again.

2 - The clan's acceptance of Demona> This really is happening too fast. The battle lines should have been Goliath, Elisa, Hudson, and Lex vs. Angela, Brooklyn, and Sata, with Broadway caught uncomortably in the middle. I can see how the Clan might be willing to cut her a lot of slack during the Unseelie crisis, though, since she's rich and has battle droids and guns. :>

The Rush toward Marriage - Here, I'm of two minds. On one hand, there did seem to be an awful lot of wedding bells, but on the other hand, wedding bells can be contagious. One couple decides to take the plunge, and several of their friends suddenly see what they might miss if they don't do the same...

OK, that's about it for tonight. I'll see ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 11:28:10 PM
IP: dll2a030-1269.splitrock.net

Entertainment news!!! Lots of interesting, and possibly horrifying stuff to talk about:

The Tick thing is kind of cool.....although I'm not a fan of "Puddy". Just don't like that guy. Don't like Seinfeld either, or anything to do with Seinfeld. I've never laughed at a single episode of that show.

Lucas, tempting Fate: You know how people were complaining that Lucas was being racist with TPM, about how the Nemoudians were clearly Asians, and that Jar Jar was a black stereotype? Well, Georgie boy is opening up another can of worms. Preliminary reports from the casting office call for several new characters. They will include an Indian (or possibly Hispanic) character, an Asian (who is also a trained martial artist), and a Native American who is very "spiritual".

See, Ladies! Breasts really DO make a difference!!!: Word out now is that Jennifer Love "36 C" Hewitt has been offered the role of Daphne in the future live-action Scooby Doo movie. And there's talk of another "I know....Summer" movie. God damn it! What does it take to stop these films! Thank GOD Scream ended this weekend, now I gotta suffer through a third "Summer" movie? I hated the first one, and not even JLH's rain-soaked tidy whitey shirt could make see the second one. Will this film series never die???

And in another inexplicable case of a tv show being made into a movie, Rachel Leigh Cooke (aka the really cute girl from "She's All That") has signed on to play the lead role in "Josie and the Pussycats". Yeah, cause the 70s were just so full of funk.

Doug: You know, that Faith rumor may have a grain of truth to it. Joss himself has stated that Faith will return. I can't wait; I mean, I wanted her to die so badly last season, but she does make a rather fun villain ;)

Todd: Are you talking about Robin in the "New Adventures of Batman & Robin" animated show, or are you talking about the movie "Batman & Robin". Cause the show was good--Robin didn't really take that much away from Bats grim solidarity, IMO. The movie....there was a million other things wrong with the movie other than Batman's relationship with Robin. Like the fact that the plot was virtually nonexistent, and was generally an incoherent mess. Or how the dialogue was so painfully awful that you couldn't help but laugh as Ahnuld spouted inane phrase after inane phrase ("Cheeeell, ahout, Bahtmin!"). Add horrible acting, and ridiculous casting choices (Ahnuld? As FREEZE? Which crack monkey picked him?), and the fact that certain characters did *not* need to be in the film (can you say Batgirl), add annoying subplots that have no real place in the film (like Clooney trying to explain his alter ego to Claudia Schiffer, or the whole "Alfred is dying, and Freeze just coincidentally has the cure" thing), AND, to top it all off, add expensive, bizarre sets and costumes that make the whole damn urban, gothic landscape of Gotham (and it's resident heroes and villains) look like one big gay fantasia. And this is coming from me, one of the world's biggest Batman fans. Joel Schumacher and Akiva Goldsman should be drug out into the street and beaten. Then shot. Then tarred and feathered.

Jannie: This is what heppens when you have parents who are not ready for the responsibility of a child. I'd hate to half to deal with some of these hellraisers when they grow a little older. I'm fully convinced that the majority of people like this should NEVER have kids. They're just too stupid to handle them without turning their child into a little Napoleon. But your comments brought up something I've wanted to discuss:
****MINOR RANT***
What the hell has happened to this country where we can't even kick someone's ass anymore? These kids got involved in a little scuffle, the parents are threatening to sue. Jesus H. Christ! We're such a damn litigious society nowadays. I'm afraid to ever get into a real fight, cause God forbid I actually win the damn thing. If I did, the a-hole would probably sue me! God, lawyers are ruining this country. And these dumb-ass morons, who are just looking for a handout, looking to see how their greedy asses can cash in, are just as bad.
****END MINOR RANT***

Vikings: I've been told that some of my ancient ancestors were proud Vikings, on my paternal side (my maternal side is almost completely Native American). That's not a hard thing to believe, either, considering what my father looks like. He's tall, he's big (large, muscular frame), and he has fair skin with blonde hair and blue eyes. He looks either like a Viking or the Aryan posterboy, depending upon your point of view ;)

Mecord: Welcome to the CR! Be prepared to relinquish your sanity, good sir, as you will no doubt experience such wonderful, psychotic, bizarre, lovely, horrifying, fascinating things here that it'll certainly just be in the way.
Plus, we want you good and crazy, just like us. ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 11:07:49 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

You all should congratulate me. I actually got out of the house today and went bowling with Joe! It's nice not to think about school and just have fun like life should be. Oh, and some lesbian thought I was hot ;) I can't say that's ever happened to me before. Well, I have three tests tomorrow so I have to go study. Sweet dreams!
SOROW
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:42:10 PM
IP: dll2a030-0985.splitrock.net

DOUG - You wrote: [I think TGS is doing a good job at the "rapid-but-gradual" approach to changing what side she's on, as opposed to the "all gradual," or "one major shakeup in her life, and Bam!"]

I think that the problem that TGS encounters in this respect is that it's thinking in mortal, human terms which is completely understandable since it's mortal, human writers working on it.

But not only is Demona not mortal, she's not human either. The fact that she is immortality should make it harder for her to change, not easier. She is after all literally 1062 years old unlike the rest of the clan where the 1000 years don't count. She's really old and set in her ways. How many people in advanced age are completely open to changing everything they hold dear?

Immortality should also make her think in different terms of time than everyone else. She knows that no matter what she's going to wake up every single day. There is no doubt in that, no worry whatsoever. And she's been like that for a thousand years. So her sense of the necessity of changing has atrophied, much like it has for Oberon. Now that she has Angela around though trying to get some change, she should not be reacting well to it. I don't mean she should be trying to fight what Angela might say but that she should have a hard time adapting herself to the way Angela would want her to be. And yet in TGS because Angela screamed at her once and spends one night a week talking to her over the course of a year or two, she's changed tremendously. (Angela spent roughly the same amount of time and effort in THE RECKONING but got little in the way of results. Why has it all of a sudden changed now that they are on the outside?)

I think that while we are all inclinded to seeing not only Demona but everyone get a more or less happy ending, that two to three years is too rapid a movement for a repressed, bitter, lonely, old immortal with subconsious dreams of granduer.

(What I would find interesting though is if TGS has been building up Demona and her quick change to set her up for a realistic fall. While there must be a little change here and there, a lot of the reform that Demona has can't been more than skin deep even if she might believe it to be. 1000 years don't disappear overnight. It would be nice to see how everyone would react if Demona didn't become an outright villian again, but if she started to seriously backslide. I think that it's entirely possible for her to revert a little bit in behavior and belief while at the same time not reverting to previous method or mentality. What if she backslide only to realize that this isn't the type of person she wants to be, not because Angela would be upset with her but because she actually feels that she no longer wants to be that way? Right now there is always the threat that Angela would break off contact that keeps Demona in line. That's not a good way to approach true redemption.)

My real hope is that we don't see Demona descend this season into anymore "I Love You" line whether refering to Angela or to Andrea. With Angela I don't mind it so much although considering this is a closed off, conservative in many ways, immortal Gargoyle with a probably boardering on paranoid belief in privacy, well that should make it extremely difficult for her to be able to let some of her true feeling out, especially in saying "I Love You". And as for Andrea, I feel that this was a way too fast movement. She might start to tolerate humans, and even have a human friend, but then again she isn't Demona's friend, she's Dominique's friend - a distinction that Demona must be making on some level. (I would love to see what Demona's reaction would be if Andrea saw her transform at sunset. If the shock overwhelmed Andrea and she said something she would regret, it could act as a great catalyst towards peeling aways some of this sainthood Demona has gathered in the last season and moving her a little bit backwards so that she could start from that point towards a more true, and more slow path of development towards redemption.

You wrote: [Yeah, the clan is being a bit fast in accepting her again, but consider what she's done for them so far- killed their worst enemy (Madoc), and saved the life of their best human friend (Elisa).]

But even before she did these things they were getting much too mellow about her except for Elisa and even with Elisa there seemed to have been too much toleration for Demona. This is someone who tried to wipe out the human population with soap after all. This is someone who tried to kill them and worse on dozens of occassions. Except for Brooklyn who has seen the future, there should have been icy relations and even massive attempts at trying to discourage Angela from seeing Demona. That would have added to the independent mindedness of Angela's character in that she would be in opposition to the clan on this small level, instead of having everyone live in more or less perfect harmony. (I live with my parents and brother and we have arguments all the time. How is it that a dozen Gargoyles, three humans, and a Fey managed to get along with such little friction?)

The thaw in relations should have come after Demona helped against Madoc and after she saves Elisa. Then Angela could step up, say that she was right, that Demona does deserve a chance, and that with a little effort she can be helped to change. Again this was all a matter of speed. The clan gave Demona way too much of a chance before they had a real reason too, all on the excuse that "Angela knows what she's doing". Did she? She did spend most of her life on a magical island, and while intelligent and adaptable, she is still very new to this world, and should still in some ways retain some naiveté from her old life.

You wrote: [The clan also has Angela around them, and a lot of the way they seem to feel towards Demona may just be concessions toward how she feels (I know with Broadway, it probably is).]

Angela is just one voice and while an important one, there are many others telling her that Demona is poison. Concessions are all well and good when they are small things but in an environment where anything could happen and where your trust has been betrayed on more than one occassion, caution is much more important. I don't mean to say that I think Goliath would forbid her from seeing Demona but that he would turn a blind eye to it while letting out sign's that he strongly disapproved of her visits. While there was some evidence of disapproval, a frown just isn't enough. He's a leader of a small group that is very close knit. He should have had some words with everyone else and made it clear that while she wouldn't be forbidden from seeing Demona, everyone else should make it clear that it's not a good idea and that they should actively discourage her. (Suprisingly the reaction of the clan in TGC's GENERATIONS to Angela's suggestions that they turn to Demona for help seem kind of dead on. They could be a bit mellower in TGS but still, it should have been in the same vein.)

You wrote: [Yeah, I miss her as a villain too, but let's face it, if all she could do as a villain was try to kill humans, how quickly would she get stagnant and boring?]

I have nothing against her not being a villian, but she shouldn't be a hero either. She's in the grey area. She might work with good but she might use very questionable means to do it. And even her working with good should be rare in modern times. Aiding in the fight against Madoc to save Angela is fine. Further help on an everyday level should be left for a more future time, maybe 50 or a 100 years in the future. If she outright joins the good side then what about the past of her life? Are we saying that she had some time in hell, she made people suffer, and now she can turn back the clock and return to Angel 971 C.E.?

When Demona helps Goliathonce in a decade, it's fine. When she helps Angela anytime, it's an understandable exception to the basic rule. But while she doesn't have to spend her time fighting the clan and trying to kill humans, if she's not in opposition to them on some level (Examples: Sticking it to Xanatos Enterprises on an Economic Level, or taking her own steps in dealing with Anti-Gargoyle Human Groups or hiring the Pack to get something less than legal done for her, or working/doing business with someone who is in opposition to the clan to benefit her own worldview or a dozen other scenarios) then she's just going to get turned into a normal, boring, slightly older, seen more/done more version of Angela.

You wrote: [Just because a race has a longer lifespan it doesn't necessarily mean they take longer to do things than shorter-lived races.]

True. On the other hand, I still think that Broadway and Angela ran too fast to the alter. Goliath and Demona were an example of a younger pair falling in love fast and getting committed fast. They got together at the equivilent of 16. I always figured that Angela and Broadway would be more of an example of a more thought out and drawn out relationship since they are older in comparison when they got involved. (They are in the area of 18-20 compared with the Goliath/Demona age I listed.) Why speed everything up so they end up together in 2000 when they could have just as easily let everything flow nice and slow until 2004 or 2005? (I'm not saying they wouldn't be committed to each other or involved with each other in those years but whatever happened to long engagements?)
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:42:01 PM
IP: 74.new-york-08-09rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

*hysterical giggles*I just can't win. I never seem to be able to get ahead in my school work, and then i go out for a drink and get even farther behind.

*Removes a medalion from around his neck, and hands it to Jenna* This little thing has brought me lots of good luck, so take it with you.

Buffy vs. Faith: Hm....$20 bucks on BUffy in the 15th round

*sighs contentedly and curls up in his regular corner*
G'night all.
Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:30:42 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Jenna> best wishes, my friend and sis! *hugs* Any company that hires you will be very fortunate to have such a great person on their staff!
Jannie
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:29:12 PM
IP: 168.171.197.95

Aaron > well, I figured, if I was gonna, I might as well go all out! ; )

Mecord > welcome to the room, and if you do want to do a little reading, you can find all my stories at http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/garg_fan_fiction.html

Revel > "Shameless Plug" is on my fanfic site at http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/garg_fan_fiction.html

Mara > uh ... oh dear ... do I have to? ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:25:29 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

About to crash, but I discovered some BtVS spoiler info off TV Guide Online that really got me intrigued...

**WARNING! MAJOR BUFFY SPOILERS! AND I DO MEAN THAT!**

Here's the summary for the Feb. 22 episode, 2 weeks from now:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: "This Year's Girl, Part 1"

It's double trouble for Buffy - the rogue slayer, Faith (Eliza Dushku), has awakened from an eight-month coma, and Adam, the Initiative's creation, is still on the loose. Faith, with a little help from the late Mayor, has sinister plans in store for Buffy.

**END SPOILERS! YOU CAN LOOK NOW!**

Just wanted to share this in light of the discussion about this week's ep. That's got to be all, since I'm going to bed very soon...
Mandolin
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:21:31 PM
IP: 144.175.20.22

Jenna>We will, I hope you get the job!.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 09:53:24 PM
IP: spider-wi081.proxy.aol.com

WEll, I've been busy here- I have an interview this friday- keep you talons crossed for me in here--
jenna
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 09:49:32 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-40.hstntx.swbell.net

About Sorbo's new show: don't assume that it'll be another Star Trek series...reason: Gene Roddenberry(sp?) wrote a number of series ideas in his lifetime, of which Trek was only one. {another is the 'Earth: Final Conflict' series}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 09:27:40 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Quick post--did any of y'all hear the VH1 commercial with Keith David's voice-over? <g> Thre was something very very surreal about hearing Goliath['s voice saying, "Download your love."
jewel
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 08:42:07 PM
IP: atlnb304-13.splitrock.net

Doug>Thanks, I just hope it doesnt take too long for me to heal.
Bengali - [delpuh@netscape.net]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 08:37:19 PM
IP: spider-wi081.proxy.aol.com

::walks in and sits down, letting her Chibis take control of the post::

::Angie-chan appears, holding a large scroll, which she unrolls with great ceremony::

Beefy noodles are
The very very bestest
to have for supper.

::She walks away, leaving a stunned audience cheering::

::Xelloss and Hyena exchange glances with each other, then with Chibi-Death::

::Xelloss in his best English:: This won't work. I don't share.

::Hyena and Chibi Death look at him curiously as he disappears in an aura of black. He reappears in the Morgan universe's version of HELL. HE tips a wink to Chibi Jericho how is standing stunned, holding Chibi Jason from the ankle. Xelloss grabs Chibi Ventura and pops back into the CR, dumping her uncerimoniously at ChibiDeath's feet. Ventura, looks up at the Brooklyn clone and immediately falls desperately in love with him. She clings to one of his arms, her ivory hair falling fetchingly over her shoulder as she says in a deadly but sexy voice:: My love

::Chibi death sweatdrops and Chibi Christine Morgan (yes, you're a chibi, Christy dear) laughs her ass off in the background::


::Xelloss grins to Hyena:: yare yare.. ::they kiss::

::Demmie chan walks up to the center stage of the CR with Elisa-chan.::

Ahem ::Demmie's usual Marina Sirits on acid voice subdued to actual sweet meloncholy.:: Elisa and me have decided to Filk I still belive from Miss Saigon in honor of upcoming Valentines.. for unrequited love everywhere

::Elisa-chan raises an eyebrow at her:: You mean, for true love everywhere

::Demmie glares, but shrugs:: Lets get on with the song.
Demona sings, facing out into the darkness::

Last night I watched him sleeping
my body pressed to him
and then he started speaking
the name I heard him speak...was Angel

::sadly::

yes I know that this was years ago
but when moonlight fills my room I know
you are here... still

I still
I still believe
you will return
I know you will
my heart
against all odds
holds still

yes, still
I still believe
I know as long as I can keep believing, I'll live
I'll live
love cannot die
you will return
you will return
and I alone know why

::On the other side of teh stage, facing the opposite direction, Elisa sings, crading a Chibi Goliath in her arms::

last night I watched you sleeping
once more, the nightmare came
I heard you cry out something
a word that sounded like... a name?

::she cradles her elbows::

and it hurts me more than I can bear
knowing part of you I'll never share
never know

but still
I still believe
the time will come
when nothing keeps us apart
my heart, now and forevermore
holds still

::Goliath wakes up from his sleep with a cry. Elisa takes him in her
arms and calms him::

it' s all over, I' m here
there is nothing to fear
Big Guy, what' s haunting you?
won' t you let me inside
what you so want to hide!
I need you too!

Demona Elisa
for still I will hold you all night, I will make
it all right
I still believe you are safe with me
as long as I and I wish you could tell what you don't
want to tell
can keep believing, I'll live what your hell must be

I'll live you can sleep now
you will return you can cry now
and I know why I'm your mate now
I'm yours for life
until we die until we die

"Goliath holds Elisa; in Vietnam, Demmie stands alone::


::the mood is ruined by the snap of her bubble gum. Goliath and Elisa glare at her, smhe makes a face::

::Demmie-chan:: DEAL. ::she skips off the platform::

Mara Cordova
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 08:33:08 PM
IP: spider-wm032.proxy.aol.com

WOW!

I just found a really neat gargoyles items on ebay!

Ones a writers bible/guide filled with sketchs, background info and a synopsis of the series!, its over 50 pages long, it has biographies of the characters and episode synopsis's and more. It is dated {revised} 9-2-94. It has a sketch of Goliath on the front.

Its at 65 dollars so far, I cant buy it but I thought that someone else here might be interested in it.

It ends in a day and a half. Its at Ebay.com and to find it put in "Gargoyles guide" when searching for it.

Theres also another one thats at ten bucks but has 6 days left, to find it put in "gargoyles bible". It is dated 2-4-94.

The best Gargoyles item I found was all 78 episodes recorded in order with no commercials!, its at 51 dollars and has 5 days left. To find it put in "gargoyles all 78 episodes".

If I could I'd buy them all, but since I cant I thought someone here might want to.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 08:13:00 PM
IP: spider-wi081.proxy.aol.com

Mecord: USU, huh? One of my dear friends is transfering there after this semester. *peers measuringly at Mecord, then shrugs* Welcome into the fold. As I was told, so I tell you. Deposit your sanity at the door, and if you find you really need it later, you may reclaim it is you leave (but must of us find it to be of no real use) OH, and if you want to read Christine's work, click on her name.

Delphi: I earned mine too. I stuck around my highschool for 2 years as an assistant coach on my highschool fencing team *shudders at memories of freshmen running around with foils*

Warpmind: Damn, That was the one that got stolen from me, too. *Considers learning Norwegian*

Wilek:><<What you need, friend, is a forced singularity warhead. Y'all know the Black Shark missile from Descent 3? Imagine one of those bad boys with the size and power of the nuke that took out Nagasaki. Hehe. >> Well, I could also just call up my friend the IlKahn and have him jump the WCS DireWolf into near-orbit and turn Austria into one solid sheet of glass, like the Ghost Bears did to Edo.

*Looks longingly at his corner* Damn. I wanna go to sleep, but i still have lots of home work to do.
Shade and sweet water, all


Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 08:08:55 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

**RP HERE**

On the Avatar of Ganon, the demonic hordes continue to roar and spit as they are driven back and taken out by the Ravens surrounding them. On one side of the fight, Jammer and Tricia are keeping back enemies with pole and chain while Boris lays down cover fire with his bazooka on some of the larger demons. They see Lathrop closing the portal and cheer. Unfortunately another demon also sees the deed and starts trying to open another portal. Luckily Orion spots him and sends it back to Hell with a banishment spell before the demon can finish, then breathes a sigh of relief before turning to take on more hamatula who have crept up behind him. Nearby Doug and Kit help Lathrop get to cover behind some boxes and then assault the main mass of gibbering demons who are being driven to fight by angry horned sergeant types. "Is there no end to these things?" Doug asks as they begin cutting the latter down to break the main mass's morale. "I hope so!" Kit replies. "You know, I'm surprised Wilek hasn't done something about this yet. This is his station after all, I don't think he'd like having demons on board!" "Maybe he's getting something ready," Doug conjectures. "In the meantime, let's do what we can to stay alive." Kit nods and they keep shooting, Shap rushing over to join them once he cuts down the last of the group that intercepted him halfway. Meanwhile across the battlefield, Shauna has climbed to the top of a stack of crates and is looking around for the demon that seems the most dangerous. Her sharp eyes quickly light on the Bloodthirster, who is currently swinging Kaioto around in his whip and hurting him badly. "Whoever you're doing that to, pal," Shauna snarls, nocking two arrows, "it's not nice!" She then quickly fires, hitting the Bloodthirster in both of its gleaming red eyes. The creature roars in pain and drops its whip, then falls over as the arrowheads' built-in blasting caps explode, taking away a large chunk of its face. "That oughta finish you," Shauna declares, jumping down from her perch and running to Kaioto's side. "You alright?" she asks the Seeker, recognizing him only too late as she helps him struggle out of the Bloodthirster's whip. "Hey, you're..." "No...time," Kaioto gasps. "Thanks, but...it's...not.." He is interrupted by the loud roar of the Bloodthirster, which is getting back to its feet and raising its axe again. "No way!" Shauna screams, barely pulling Kaioto out of the way of the now-blinded beast's downward swing. She then nocks another arrow and backs up, still dragging Kaioto, her face showing great worry. Kaioto begins to push her away and try to get back on his feet as the screen's image fades.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Greetings everyone. <bows> Sorry I haven't posted much earlier in the week, I've had a million things coming at me. :( Tests, work, studying, parents calling, you name it. <sigh> Oh well, at least I have some respite in it all now. Big get-togethers and papers are things I'll have to attend to this weekend along with seeing The Beach, but they're currently far off. :) So I have time to post, and I'm posting. :) Hmm, now what should I say? :)

Fanfic Progress: The Test may get finished sooner than I thought. I've just reached the big confrontation scene between Zack and the bad guy, once it's done all I have to do is a few end scenes, proofread and the story will be ready for posting. The current hassles in my life may delay things somewhat, but I now hope to have The Test out either on or shortly after Valentine's Day. Which will be fitting, considering how much romance it contains between the characters. :) Hope you all are waiting eagerly for it, I promise it won't be too much longer. 60 pages and counting, if anyone cares.

Airwalker: Nice comments about the mistakes in TGS's last season eps. I agree with you that Madoc and the Unseelie were WAY too involved in gargoyle history, but Todd and Mandi do make good points about the opportunities and foundations on which they built. Coldstone and Coldfire's restoration, and binding Gargs and Pendragon together were definite mistakes. I also somewhat agree with you about Demona, her reformation does need to be slowed down a little. However, the events in it so far have been good ones, even if their pacing's a little off. I think TGS is doing a good job at the "rapid-but-gradual" approach to changing what side she's on, as opposed to the "all gradual," or "one major shakeup in her life, and Bam!" (Pistoff and I've used this one), approaches (which have their merits but TGS is probably the best one considering what Demona would have going on in her life if the series were actually continuing). Yeah, the clan is being a bit fast in accepting her again, but consider what she's done for them so far- killed their worst enemy (Madoc), and saved the life of their best human friend (Elisa). Those are definitely grounds for improving relations. The clan also has Angela around them, and a lot of the way they seem to feel towards Demona may just be concessions toward how she feels (I know with Broadway, it probably is). That, and they can remember the way Demona was in Dark Ages more easily than even Demona herself can, so they can more easily see it coming back. And of course there's the Brooklyn-forgives-her factor, too. Taking all this in stride, I think TGS is doing a pretty good job on the Demona Reformation Subplot. Yeah, I miss her as a villain too, but let's face it, if all she could do as a villain was try to kill humans, how quickly would she get stagnant and boring? It's probably better the way it is now. :) Also, having her reform does not mean that everything bad she's done in her life will become meaningless. I think the clan is still going to remember it, and so will Demona, even if they all look at it a different way now that Demona's reformed. You don't just forget a thousand years. :)
Drive Towards Marriage: I had no problem with this last season myself, maybe it was just because the writing was so good in the stories concerned. My main problem was the stories concentrated too much on the romance and weddings, to the exclusion of things that were more interesting to me, like what the bad guys were doing while all this was going on, which Unseelie survived the end battle and whether or not they were going to do something on their own (I'm still wondering about a lot of them), was the Scottish Clan okay, etc. Yeah, a mad dash to the altar has its problems, but let's consider the people involved. They are deeply in love and have been so for a number of years. We've seen their relationships develop a lot in writing, and it's developed a lot more in ways that weren't written down. Not enough for some people, true, but I'd say it certainly has developed enough for the characters. Therefore, it's no problem for them to get married at the times they have (and it's usually made for a good story besides :). <Things should take much longer with Gargoyles than with humans.> I don't think this is necessarily true. Just because a race has a longer lifespan it doesn't necessarily mean they take longer to do things than shorter-lived races. Impatience, excitement, and eagerness can be powerful emotional drives, whether in humans or gargs. Also, the gargs in the series are living around humans and have been doing so all their lives. Maybe some of the human impulsiveness has rubbed off on them a bit? <shrugs> You never know.

Timedancer: I agree that it was the best written of last season's stories too, especially in the ongoing villain development and romance departments. :) Hope that the new season that's coming up soon is just as great, and the earlier mistakes are corrected. (I speak of the future being too utopian here most of all, as well as the humans more realistically reacting to Gargoyles popping in and out of times as Airwalker mentioned.) There are specific stories I want to see as well and hope get done, but as for whether they will or not, I guess I'll have to wait and see. :)

Austria Situation: We've been discussing this in my History 350L class lately. For those of you who don't know, this course involves intensive study of specific topics in history, my particular section's is Nazism and its effect on German history as a whole. Haven't really said much about it that hasn't already been said in here, but most of us are of the opinion that it's bad news, yet there's nothing we can really do about it but see how things unfold. If a bad situation arises, we'll deal with that situation, and if nothing bad happens, we'll breathe sighs of relief. Perhaps this is the best approach to things. :)

Interracial Dating: No problem with it here, especially since I have many friends of different races and one who's a product of interracial dating (Keith). We all get along just fine, and because of this I don't see why so many idiots out there still insist interracial dating should be banned. <mutters> Guess they must still be living in the past, and need a wake-up call. I hope it's not too far off. :)

SJ: <nods> Good comments about BJU, I pretty much agree with your assessment of the place having viewed its webpage. Why hasn't some group of do-good politicians and concerned people (including the real Christians of the world) gotten together and blown this backwards crazy joint full of idiots out of existence? <rolls eyes> Oh well, now that it's getting more attention in the media, I'm sure the time of its end can't be much farther off. :) Thanks for opening my eyes about who owns Buffy, I didn't know Fox did (thank goodness it's not on their network, they've canceled so many other good shows before they had a chance!). It pisses me off that WB may be canceling the show just because of this, but hey what can I do? Even if I take out the money-grubbing idiot who currently runs the station, he'll probably just get replaced with someone worse. <sighs> Hope WB enjoys the drop in viewers (and Benjamins) they'll experience once Buffy's gone.

X-Files: Liked this week's one, its plot and character development were better than many previous eps' have been. Hope the trend keeps up and doesn't drop off into another monster-of-the-week-episode rut any time soon. I too am not looking forward to Lone Gunmen, largely because I agree with about them being good only in small doses. That, and I think their spinoff is just an attempt to keep cashing in on the X-Files franchise and therefore not being made for the right reasons. Hopefully, it won't be too popular. <sigh> The only good thing I can honestly see about it is it may make geeks more accepted in the public mind, and that's going to ruin a lot of our plans for world takeover and manipulation, isn't it? :) <jk>

Taleweaver: Yep, identity is complicated. To say the least. :) Thanks again for spawning the interesting discussion related to it last week.

Christine: Excellent job on Damien 3, it was a great ending to your main series. I still look forward to finding out what happened to all the characters after it, Demona, Elisa, and Goliath especially, but am willing to wait until you reveal it all in your upcoming spinoffs. Good luck writing them, as well as your other stories and books. :) (Geez, now that Christine's backed out of much of fanfic writing, I'm going to have to hassle the writers I like who are still around even more. :) Pistoff and Coyote, if you're reading this, I hope to soon get news on when your next fics will be out.)

Rodlox: <nods> Yes, it is a great place. :) Thanks for your comments about Vikings and Norwegians, I agree that we shouldn't overly negatively portray the latter as the former (especially since it's helped some Norwegian-Americans turn to sponsoring Nazism and other anarchic philosphies over democracy, or so I read in the paper last month). Thanks for the Pitch Black link too, that film looks formulaic but interesting. Kit and I just might go see it. :)

Jenna: Congrats on resolving your daughter situation, hope you and her have better relations in the future (and that she continues to appreciate you as much as she apparently has lately and you deserve). Re- Parent Troubles- My God, who do these people think they are? <sighs> Oh well, good luck dealing with them. I hope you come out of things alright, though I reserve the majority of my prayers for the kids. :)

Welcome to all newcomers! Big welcome back to Gaeriel and Deuce (glad you're staying permanently now, friend. :).

Sarge: Welcome back to you as well. Good rants, hope you soon resolve the issues which led to them. Thanks for the info about Vermont in one, that may help me write Tara Radford/Tiamat's character somewhat in upcoming fanfics (as my readers know, she's an evil dragon queen disguised as a rich Vermont Congresswoman, and probably has other guises as well).

Bengali: You're welcome, I was glad to give the comments. Good luck recovering from those bee stings, however long it takes.

Pokegone Site: Glad everyone enjoyed it, I encourage you to look over the rest of the stuff Kovalic has on his page for even more laughs. And if you haven't checked out his gamer cartoon comic books, do so. Your sense of humor will thank you. :)

**RED ALERT- SPOILERS FOR DA, ANGEL, AND BUFFY AHEAD**

New Dark Ages Episode: The Wedding 2 was beautifully written, I liked the development on Goliath and Demona a lot. The pictures were also well-drawn and well-placed, and the plot flowed very well around them. The Xanatos comedy bits were hilarious, and I agree that more should have been done with what he, Fox, and Petros did while in the past. Also liked all the foreshadowing that was done in this ep, and how you had to watch Vows to get some things that were happening (way to plug the original Gargs series in people's minds there, TGS Staff! :). My only complaints about The Wedding were that the Marcus and Asrial subplots were somewhat glossed over (but that was necessary, considering the main action going on) and that Demona's reaction to her older self should have been a little more played out than it was, in her own mind if not the actual dialogue (maybe it will be soon). Rating- 9/10, thumbs up. Look forward to seeing how all this episode's events play out next season, hope I find some good stories to help fill the time between it and the next series of TGS eps. :)

Angel: This week's episode had some nice development on Angel and good dialogue, but I thought that was about it. The plot was formulaic and the villains uninteresting. Nothing grabbed me in the script at all. Not even Bai Ling's character, who I found more of a tiresome addition to the show than a good one (apologies to the people who liked her, but I think you did so for the wrong reasons. A character should never be put into a show just because the actor playing them's a pretty face). The plots she brought in have potential but IMO it's more interesting for Angel to be helping the people of this world with their problems than to be helping those of other worlds. More in keeping with the show's character too. <sigh> Oh well, it was still a decent episode and I look forward to next week's. As long as they don't do any more bad Wesley comedy bits or meaningless dancing during the credits, things should work out ok.

Buffy: Really liked the episode this week. I agree that the Initiave tried to take Buffy out way too fast, but the developments involved in them doing it were wonderfully written and the plot was great. Liked the character developments done on Riley, Buffy, and Spike as well (the latter was IMO not that necessary but still worked great for the ep). Willow and Tara's subplot was a little bit surprising for me, I think I may be one of the few people out there who hope they didn't spend their night together doing you-know and instead just talking or hanging out with each other or something like that (I've known girls to spend entire nights doing those things a lot). Giving them a relationship would be an interesting plot development, but to just dump it on us like this instead of keeping it happening slowly but surely seems I-don't-know wrong to me. <shrugs> Oh well, maybe things will work out, I'll wait and see. I too am concerned about Riley's "vitamins" and Adam, look forward to what is done with them. And as for Walsh, her final development was good but I still liked her death. Hope a more interesting and enjoyable-on-screen villain turns up in her place. :)

Skippy: What, Walsh's death wasn't shakeup enough? :) Well, don't worry, I've heard a lot of stuff that should really shake things up may be ahead. Like the Council having a spy in the Initiave and trying to kill Buffy and Giles because they think they're running it, Faith coming out of her coma and going ballistic on Buffy before switching bodies with her (evil SMG, oh boy! :), Xander going bad, a Faith-Anya catfight, and a lot of other crazy stuff. Yeah, it's all currently just rumors and most of it is probably going to stay that way, but is it shake-up? Oh yeah. :)

**SPOILERS OVER, SO IS ALARM**

Gee, that appears to be about all I wanted to comment on. <grins> Oh well, I have to go anyway. I have an appointment to keep. Later people, and have a good night! <waves>

**RP AGAIN**

The screen flickers on once more, this time showing a picture of Ted Turner and another media mogul named Geraldine Laybourne sitting in a boardroom. "I do like your offer, Theodore," Laybourne is saying. "The sum of money you propose to give me would be welcomed. But I'm not sure I want to sell my networks, Nickelodeon and Oxygen, to Time Warner. Can your company really give my networks' shows and subjects the writing treatments they deserve?" "Oh we can, Geraldine," Turner chuckles. "I assure you, we can." Before he can go into the reasons why, the boardroom door opens and AOL CEO Steven Case rushes in looking harried. "Ted!" he says. "Deavik wants us to come down to the M of W for a meeting now!" Ted turns and gasps at his partner. "Yo, Steve, Geraldine doesn't know about what you just said! Is it wise to mention it around her?" "I don't know about what?" Laybourne asks, taking off her sunglasses to reveal a pair of hellish red-and-green eyes. "That you're in league with Demon Lord Deavik? I had their suspicions but now they're confirmed!" Case and Ted look at each other, then at her, and gasp again. "You're a demon too?" Case asks. "Yes," Laybourne nods. "I was given the power many years ago by Dark Lady Synatia in return for creating media companies that would ensure the women, parents, and children of this world remain selfish reactionary idiots for many years and thus stay easier for demonic agendas to control. You two are demons as well, if I'm not mistaken, given your business practices." Ted nods. "Yes, indeed we are." He then grins, showing his demonic eyes and fangs. "Glad we all know this and can work together more efficiently now." "Yes," Case agrees. "I think you should be invited to the meeting, Geraldine, especially since your mistress Synatia will be there. It's at noon tomorrow, the Mountain of Woe." "I'll definitely come," Laybourne grins, replacing her shades. "Now, Theodore, getting back to our discussion..."

**END THIS HELLISH AND DISTURBING RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 07:57:11 PM
IP: pool-209-138-61-111.dlls.grid.net

XenaTrek> Yippee!! Thank you soooo very much!! *hugs*

Bengali> you are welcome!

BUFFY: I agree with everyone else - those were NOT vitamins that Riley was taking! I was suprised to see "Adam" and especially like it when he said, "mommy" at the end of the show..*snickers*
ANGEL: *shrugs* it was alright - not one of the best ones though, IMO. I'm enjoying Wesley's humor =D

***YET ANOTHER PARENT RANT***

Will the madness ever stop???!!! The assistant principal came into the workroom this morning asking who was on duty while this one particular 2nd grade class was at lunch recess. I was never so grateful to say, "NOT ME!!" *chuckles*
Two 2nd graders (boy and girl) got into a scuffle, both came to tattle on each other. They were fussed at and told to sit out until their teacher came.... end of story, right? NOPE!!
Mom of the girl ends up calling the school police after school and is told that she can file a civil law suit. *blinks* I was speechless. This is so incredibly ridiculous! Neither child had any "marks" nor blood spewing - it was a common pushing, etc. at a 2nd grade level. Neither one of the adults on duty saw it happen (2 adults for approx. 75-100 kids). Apparently it didn't last long because we do see most of what happens when scanning the lot. *shakes head slowly* what's this world coming to?? Parents calling the police over a shoving match on the playground.. eesh! Of course the mom swears that her daughter was an innocent victim - but yet all eye witnesses say that it was the girl who pushed first. Not one child said that the boy pushed first. Try convincing the mom that though - afterall.... we all know that our children won't lie to us to get out of trouble... yeah right. *rolls eyes*
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. We get onto the kids for their behaviors & get slammed by the parents, we lighten up and we get slammed anyway...

I think Wal-Mart is hiring......

***END PARENT RANT***

Hey Pistoff - got room on your page for "Stupid Parents" ?? *LOL*

Denis> I'm practicing! amour de ma vie! *kiss and hug*

Green Baron> *chuckles* I'm afraid that if I worked at a Catholic school - I'd be in the confession box most of the day. ;) Or getting MY hands slapped with a ruler for my smartass mouth! *L* It would be nice having that type of discipline though *dreamy sigh*
Jannie
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 06:27:38 PM
IP: 168-171-196-236.academicplanet.com

Christine-"Shamless Plug"
Where is that located? Is that on your sight or somewhere else?
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 04:10:46 PM
IP: spider-wc013.proxy.aol.com

**A slight dark haired man with poited ears jumps through the door, stumbles on his landing, and sprawles on the floor.**

Well, so much for my grand entrance.

**Picking himself up, he looks around**

My, my. Crowded isn't it? I appologize for the missentry, I have a tendancy to twitch my pinky on the enter key at inappropriate times. At any rate, down to buisness hmm? Well, I think I should call the attention of everyone.

**clearing his throat noisily** AHEM!!!!!!!

Hello everyone, allow me to introduce myself. I am called Mecord Lein (last name pronounced like lean). I am the Elven alter ego of the man behind my computer. His spokesman if you will. I currently cannot give you his name, but he does have simmilar initials as David G. I would also like to thank you all for a warm welcome.

A little about myself, or rather my alter ego. I have been a fan of Gargoyles from the get go of the series. Unfortunatly, in '97 I left on a two year sojurn. Having been somewhat cut off from the rest of civiliazation, I am new to the internet Gargoyle fandom. Any special links you would like to suggest would be gratefully appreciated.

Having spent the past two or three months deviding my time between classes at Utah State and reading TGS stories, I have now finnaly caught up. TGS has inspired me to attempt a few of my own fanfics I thought of during my two years away. Don't look for them to hard yet though, First I have to write them, then I have to figure out how and where to post them.

Infinity and Willek>> A special thanks to you for your compliments on my poem. I thought it would make a creative entrance. *Mecord leans in to wisper* don't worry about this guys sanity, you can't loose what you never had. ;)

Toku>> Talk about poetry!! That Soliloquy about the moon was better poetry than I could ever write. Very impressive.

Christine>> Quite the fan club you've got, I shall have to find some of these stories of yours.

Deuce>> I agree with you about Voyager. This may be old news here, but I have heard a lot lately about a new Star Trek series with Kevin Sorvo from Hercules as the captain.

**A dragon's head barely slips through the doorway, peering at the elf**

Oh, um, that's my ride out of here, the guild has a special assignment for me you know. Well, I guess you wouldn't know. Oh well, see ya!


Mecord: The New and Humbled
Prov..., Ut
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 03:55:12 PM
IP: usr48.mtwest.net

Hi all, glad you enjoyed that list I sure did.

Jannie>>don't you just hate parents who think their kids can never do wrong! I had a run in with a parent a few years back (over her kid's playing with fire at my house) it ended with us both agreeing that we would call the police if either of our kids where caught at the others house. Not the solution I wanted, but the only one she would allow since all she would do is call names and refuse to talk with me about it. It was amazing how few problems I had with my own kids after they were banned from our house.

Archwolf>>grey hairs?, why are you worried, I sort of count mine as a right of passage and well I think I EARNED everyone of them ;)[could be because when I was 20, and running my own business way too many people kept telling me I was still just a baby]

Anne>>loved that joke

Slyder2916>>glad you liked them!

Okay someone sent me this great MORON test do you all want me to post it? it was kind of fun.

well, I'm in the mood for a romantic movie...so I guess I'll go see whats on PPV on the DDS


Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 03:32:00 PM
IP: twin5931.magiclink.com

Chibi-Deliah and ChibiSquall burst into the room carrying reduced fat oreos, offering the tasty snack to everyone

*cough* urgh I feel the beginning of a cold...a chest cold wich is ok because I can still breath through my nose, but the cold is at the stage when you feel like you have to cough but don't wann because you know it will hurt. I need Dimetapp

Bees>>>I was stung by on when I was six and it hurt. I think thats the resaon I have a HUGE fear of flying insects with stingers.
well thats all I'd do a Buffy and Angel review but everyon else voice what I had to say. oh man is true...Dead men can't dance.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 03:24:35 PM
IP: user-37kap7p.dialup.mindspring.com

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Mecord: The New and Bolder
Providence, Ut
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 03:19:45 PM
IP: usr58.mtwest.net

Appoligies in advance this post may get a little long.

Finished Damien Part III last night, and I've gotta say: Christine, you never do anything by halves, do you?

Does anybody know the name of Stormy's fic where Puck switches the souls of Vinnie and Wagner. I wanted to nominate it as my favorite funny fic.

jewel> This is why I should reread my books more the once every seven years. The only other thing I remember about the SS, other then that they had great gear, was that you had to be 6'5" to get in.

Wilek> Antz> I know what you mean. The bit in the bar where Stallone says "What're you always b!tchin' about?". It was like whoa!

Warpmind>Hmmm. Good point about Koz. And with Dennis apparently also planning to come as Koz, I think we could work this out yet. Has anybody run this by the G2K staff yet?

Toku>Yep, I was at a Nemesis Prerelease too. Maybe doing it over two days would've been a better idea, since we spent almost twelve hours there.

Aaaaand the moment you've all been waiting for.... (Yeah, right)

As Xellos and Hyena roll around on the floor laughing, they're approached from behind by a short figure in a long black robe with a hood. Noticing him, they leap to their feet.

"Who are you?"

"Death." (For the record Death does not speak in caps. He does, however, sound like Jeff Bennett chaneling Christopher Walken)

From somewhere in the shadows, a whiney grandpa Simpson voice shouts "Death!" Chibi-Death turns on his heel, and disappears back into the shadows. The sound of a chibi-sized @$$kicking is heard, and Chibi-Death reappears.

"Violence has not worked. Gifts have not worked. I have only one recourse left. A song." Xellos and Hyena look askance at each other. Chibi-Death throws off his robe, revealing an albino version of Brooklyn (the tall, buff one from Future Tense) wearing a black zoot suit. His grey, artificial wings fit around it like a cape. He jams a big black hat on over his silver horns and snaps the cybernetic fingers on his right hand.

A spotlight comes on, revealing chibi-War, chibi-Famine, and chibi-Pestilence, cybernetically-enhanced clones of Hudson, Broadway, and Lex, respectively, all dressed in similar suits, and carrying chibi-sized instruments.

(To the tune of Big Bad Voodoo Daddy's "When It Comes To Love."

"I'm just an old school clone
I work behind the scenes
the future's quite bleak,
or that's how it seems.

When it comes to love
I'm in need of advice
I'm in need of advice

I tried to fight the good fight
You know it cost me my wings
But Hannah, there's really
only one thing

When it comes to love
I'm in need of advice
I'm in need of advice

But when I look to the sky
I wanna cry
Thinking about how it could be
Please come with me
don't let me be
alone in my misery.

You showed me all the things
that you wanted to teach.
Love was a place I
could not reach.

When it comes to love,
I'm in love with you
And I need some advice.
'Cause I'm in love with you.
And I need some advice.

But when I look to the sky
I wanna cry
Thinking about how it could be
Please come with me
don't let me be
alone in my misery

You showed me all the things
that you wanted to teach.
Love was a place I
could not reach.

When it comes to love,
I'm in love with you
And I need some advice
Yes, I'm in love with you
And I need some advice.

Well I'm in love with you
and I need some advice
Yes, I'm in love with you
And I need some advice."

Hyena and Xellos look at each other for a moment, utterly dumbfounded... and then start laughing again.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 03:07:22 PM
IP: a7x54.iwl.net

Caliope > WHAT?!?!!?.... what did u say Cali, I didn't hear you.

*Cali looks nervous*
Cali: oh huh mmm... I... well.... you see...

No, really. I DIDN'T hear you, would you repeat that? :P ....... got ya there huh. heehee :)

If you ever plan to take Brooky rollerblading, then I most go too. Being the responsible wonderful person that I am, you might need me. :)
Ok people,... I'm off to read Dark Ages! ^_^
Ja ne!
Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 02:05:39 PM
IP: 136.145.83.183

Oh, I just read "The Wedding Part Two", not bad but I think it shouldve shown more of what Xanatos did during the time he was there, maybe even have had him actually carve his initials into the castle, wouldve been interesting for them to have still been there when they returned home.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 12:50:56 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

Clarification > just 'cause I got the impression that some folks got the impression that I was packing it in totally -- I'm not out of your hair yet! Just moving into the spinoff arena! ; ) Maybe I should have put a big friendly DON'T PANIC sticker on that post.

Thanks, everyone, for the kind words of support and well-wishing!

Sarge > read "Damien" to find out more about Jericho's fate ; ) I know I said I was gonna kill him, but if anyone deserves the proverbial "FWTD," it's probably that boy ...

Revel > I don't think there's anything you need to do or know before you start reading my book, but if you want, you could read my story called "Shameless Plug," which is a prequel crossover kind of thing guest-starring Brooklyn and Hudson. ; )

Warpmind > picky, picky ; ) Got your e-mail, btw, with the story.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 12:47:55 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Wilek>Sounds like a good movie, I'll rent it once I heal from these stupid bee stings, no way I'm going to blockbuster in the condition I'm in.

Warpmind>Peace.

Alex Destine>Thanks, boy if he hadnt been there I'd probably still be in a hospital.

Kitainia>Yes, I think that that debate is a dead subject and should stay that way. Thanks, I'm feeliing somewhat better now, I'll be okay, no bee hive can keep me down.

Toku Kaioto>Thanks, this isnt the first time I've been attacked by a hive of bees, I remeber when I was ten and decided to prove to my friends that I was brave {stupid} by throwing rocks at a bees hive, you can probably guess what happened next.

Great news, I finally found my friend, the one I had been looking for, she called me up and told me that she had been visiting her cousin in Florida. I was so stinking worried and when I asked her why she didnt call sooner she told me that she forgot, forgot my foot. I've been sitting around worried while shes in Florida having fun, *sigh*.

Jannie>just got your e-mail, Thanks.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 12:28:52 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

*** "TICK" NEWS ***

Sonnenfeld/Warburton Join for Tick

The live-action version of Ben Edlund's The Tick
continues to move ahead relatively quickly with today's
announcement in Variety that Barry (Men in Black)
Sonnenfeld has officially signed on to direct the half-hour
television pilot.

And, in a casting no-brainer, Patrick (Seinfeld's "Puddy")
Warburton has signed to star as the big blue defender of
justice. No word yet on who will play the Tick's sidekick,
Arthur.

The pilot, which is slated to go before the cameras in
early April, will be filmed with a single camera, offering
a continuous point of view throughout the episode.

“I’ve been a huge fan of ‘The Tick’ for years,” said
Sonnenfeld in Variety. “I like it even more than my
6-year-old daughter. It’s really up my alley. It doesn’t feel
like anything on television today.”

Sonnenfeld, Barry Josephson and Tick creator Ben Edlund
are the series' executive producers, while Bo (Men in
Black) Walsh will serve as production designer.

--Variety



Scott, the Margarine of Evil - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 12:24:44 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

WarpedMind: well then, for illiterate savages, they certainly were good boat-builders!

WarpedMind: apologies on being the Twelth. {at least i wasn't the 33rd....i speak from experience}.

WarpedMind: she did? i knew there was a fic i forgot to read. {writing conventional Alternate Histories keeps me busy during my off-hours}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 12:06:12 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Wilek> I have a mutant deer problem on my island?!!? Well, you can go ahead and get rid of those if you want!

Alex> BuBye Brookie, come play with Antie Cali again soon!!! Next time I'll teach you some rollerblade stunts!!! *wispers* Dont tell your mommy Alex tho, or we'll both get busted! :P

So, gotta go! Bye!
Caliope
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:59:45 AM
IP: 136.145.83.177

**RP Here**
The Bloodthirster is more than a match for a mortal in combat. Kaioto can barely keep its attention from most everyone else. Its ax swings are devastating, leaving huge gashes in the deck plating and about a hair's breath between it and Kaioto's legs. Every tactic is being anticipated and countered.
It is all the Seeker can do to avoid the barbed whip without being herded into decapitation. Then a dodge slips up on a trace of black ooze, a backhanded swing of a demon fist, and Kaioto's back is denting a bulkhead.
A long, drawn out groan precedes the Seeker flopping out of the dent, stumbling forward towards the demon.
Sensing an easy kill, the Bloodthirster whips its ax around in a fast, brutal arc … and Kaioto ducks, half stumbling across the deck. Another whip strike follows, but it a sudden lurch to one side saves the human again.
With a frustrated roar, each of the Bloodthirster's limbs is concentrated in devastating attacks … all of which miss by a hair's breath due to the random stumbling fashion in which Kaioto makes his approach.
**Pause RP**

Aaron: Actually, I spent both Saturday and Sunday running the Nemisis Pre-Release for Magic, the Gathering. Oddly enough, this pre-release wasn't the living Hell many had been. I think the experience of our staff has really improved things, and spreading the even out over two days doesn't hurt either … everyone had a lot of fun and things weren't ridiculously over competitive.

Wow, but this weekend was WORK for the above reason … I think next time I should only work one day … I can't take the Sunday shift and get a decent amount of sleep.

Bengali: Bees? Ick … I've lived about two decades now and never been stung by a bee. Something always told me it was an experience to be avoided. I'm sorry that happened to you.

I looked up at the moon tonight, walking down the hill from classes. Sometimes you forget how pure black really is … looking deep into the night. I could see the crescent moon in the sky, storybook stuff really, hanging there as night had barely fallen. I looked up at it … staring as I walked familiar paths. When I looked up at the moon, I could see the darker part against the sky. Surely, it was nightfall, but the moon itself, that part shaded away from our vision, it was such pure obsidian that it made the night itself look like a very, very dark purple. It was as if the heavenly body was proclaiming itself in the sky … where by day white clouds by day are a shade of gray, and the atmosphere can only strain to mimic such perfect reflective nothingness in the night.

I found the experience … striking …

**Resume RP**
Kaioto's drunken Kung-Fu style brings him closer and closer to the hulking demon warrior, until he is finally close enough for the demon to raise a gigantic foot and try to stomp him flat in frustration. It is then the Seeker takes his chance to strike.
Howling, Kaioto leaps to the creature's living chest-plate.
"Animus Inge!" The call booms out loudly, and a second later it is followed by something akin to thunderclaps.
The Seeker's hands, clad in blue fire, rake across the demon's chest, as if like claws. Deep chunks of nether-flesh as torn as living armor is shredded by Ki fire. Once, twice, thrice, the blue fire rips, leaving trails of black, nauseating ooze flowing from the wounds.
With a deafening roar, the greater demon of Khorne flails about, knocking the puny human from its person. It stumbles back a pace, experiencing pain the likes of which it seldom encountered over thousands of years of slaughter.
Vengeance gleams in the demon's eye as it turns its ax to bear on the human. With a scream of blood curdling rage, the ax falls … then stops.
The Seeker, intent on dodging what is now revealed as a feint, is caught completely off balance as the Bloodthirster's whip wraps around his waist, thorns digging in painfully. The pain of the thorns is quickly forgotten, however, as the Bloodthirster cracks the whip back and forth, spiking Kaioto off of the floor, wall, and whatever else might be available.
**End RP**

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 10:58:51 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Fire Storm>> *nods* Leva feels it wouldn't ethical to include her fanfics in the voting since she's involved with fanfic activities at the Reunion. I feel much the same way about the art contest which is why I won't be entering it. For the curious, all votes are being tabulated by a neutral party, Lindy Hensley, who used to write for the Alternate Gargoyles Universe.

(And if you can remember THAT, you are an oldtime fan!)

Voting is open for the Gargoyles Fandom Reunion Awards!! You can cast your vote for fanfic in a variety of categories, your favorite Gargoyles episode and more! Results to be announced on the last day of the Reunion, Saturday, February 26th.
Spike - [Gargoyles Fandom Reunion Awards -- Vote Today!!]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 09:40:43 AM
IP: ppp22-50.ght.iadfw.net

* BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS *

I was genuinely shocked and surprised at the end where "Adam" killed Walsh, although I must admit that I didn't feel quite that sorry for her. Not exactly as big a shake-up as the destruction of the gargs' clock tower, but it came pretty close to it. And now we've got a better idea as to what the Initiative's goal is.

I'd also wondered about Riley's vitamins, with the feeling that there was some dark story behind them. Well, only time will tell.

On the whole, a good story. I found the "Angel" one okay, but didn't get into it quite as much.

* SPOILERS END *

SEVARIUS JR. - I may not be much of a Batman aficiando, but I can agree with you on the "Batman & Robin" business, from what little I know of it. My own feeling is that the really big problem with that one was simply making Robin a regular. The overall impression that I had about the production team's view of Batman when they started up "Batman: TAS" was of a grim, solitary figure in the shadows, waging his war on crime in Gotham City alone, a dark mysterious figure. Giving him a sidekick of the Robin variety (especially since Robin practically screams the Adam West live-action series) clashed with that tone; Batman worked best as a loner with his associates consisting of simply Alfred in the Batcave (Alfred was one of my favorite characters, actually; he got some of the best lines in the series, in particular) and Commissioner Gordon for an ally. At least, that's my personal take on it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 06:57:50 AM
IP: 216.87.46.88.dialup-stl.primary.net

*Warpmind enters, looking cheerful.*
Hullo. Some of you may (or may not) recall that in October, I submitted a fantasy short story to a nationwide (Norway) contest. As it turned out yesterday, I was among the 11 final entries, and I won a book. The Wheel of Time... book 4, part 3. The last bit of the series! And what little I've read of the author, I didn't really like his works all that much. So, I gotta find some schmuck to sell the book to, since it has no interest to me. Shouldn't be too hard. ;)

Bengali: Peace, my dear. Peace.

Aaron: Why shouldn't Koz be in the mess? Think about it this way: Demmie's on trial. Koz is standing beside her, supporting her. Then, Jericho and Frank bust in, having to not only free Demona from the authorities, but also get her out of Koz's protective embrace. :) Who said Koz would be working WITH Jaricho and Frank? ;)

Rodlox: Uh, dude... in general, the Vikings WERE illiterate looters and sackers... ;) Generally, only the bards and the... I guess the word "shaman" would be the most appropriate term here... knew how to read and write. Those days were harsh, but be aware of this: that was the Vikings I mentioned. They were the looters, the seafarers. Aside from them, most of the Norwegians of that time were quite peaceful farmers and fishermen. And as for that time/biology bit: I know. Believe me, I know. But I've been questioned on it a few times, so I automatically respond with the biology information. I really should have been more cautious with that sentence... you're like the twelfth person to ask that question. :|

Green Baron: What, you didn't think I made a joke? ;)

Delphi: See, lists like that one is why I keep insisting on kicking the children's TV shows that treat kids as though they have a severe learning disability. Treat'em as kids, fine, but not in a demeaning manner. Like Sesame Street seems to do. By the way... keep those lists coming. ;)

Deuce: No typo. Maybe a slight exaggeration, but no typo... :) The average party over here should include at least three unconcious persons and a possible stomach pumping. And I, who happen to possess more moderate drinking habits (like maybe a beer with dinner, or so), keep looking at the surrounding humans with something akin to scientific curiosity...

Rodlox again: A What If story set at about the time when the clan was turned to stone? Uh... Christine kinda already did that... check out her stories (I think it was titled "What Might Have Been").

Jaden: Who the procreation cares about intelligent conversation? ;) Keep babbling.

Christine: If Damien Part 3 turns out to be the end of your fanfic series, you are likely to be visited by very angry people with very strange weapons. (And, knowing you, you're very likely to invite them on a cup of coffee or something.) Please, this cannot be the end. Keep writing, for your works are so damn great! Besides... come to think about it... there's one spin-off episode in your series, too, so if we don't count The Guardians: Alchemist, it's just episode 64! Hah! :) Anyway... we need more of your work! It has become an addiction to more people than me, I'm afraid...

Sarge: Uh, dude... I think you may have a few impossibilities on that list of yours... the possible ones are just scary. :)

Archwolf: I'd try to sell you that Wheel of Time book I won. But, it's the Norwegian translation, so you probably wouldn't get much enjoyment from it, anyway. :)

**RP**
In Hell.
Warpmind jogs forward, speeding toward the City of the Dead. Halfway there, he halts.
"Something is wrong. Usually, a bunch of those pesky minidemons would be assaulting me by now... unless..."
Warpmind looks ahead, then backwards to the elevator he arrived on. Then he turns and heads back.
"Nope. SJ will have to take care of himself. If this is what I fear..."
As he enters the elevator, Charon nods.
"Greetings again, Realmsfarer. Back?"
"No, Charon. I'm going upstairs, I gotta see Michel."
"Very well. Heaven it is."
The elevator rockets upward, while a small letter is delivered to an old scholar in Heaven.
**RP END**

Gotta go, friends. Be back later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 06:48:17 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Sarge Abernathy > "Top ten things you didn't know about Gargs." Wow man!.... I mean WOW!! I sure DIDN'T know THAT!!... :P

Christine Morgan > but... but... I was just becoming a Jericho fan! :(
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! !_!
*sniff* *sniff* Oh well... guess I came late... I wish u the best of luck on everything u're doing now :)

cherry blossom > "either I post every 12 hours or it takes me to long to read it all...."
I know the feeling! :P
You took Pucky AWAY?!!??!?!....... oh thank God.. :P
Thought he was going to leave me without a penny..

Bengali > OUCH man!... Really ouch! I'm glad you're feeling better. :) And thank God for all those good samaritans out there. :)

Wilek Nereus > "cancel clearcutting, uranium dumping, and mutant deer hunting."
Mutant Deer Hunting?!?!?!??!..... no don't cancel THAT! I wanna join! :P

*goes and takes her precious chibi-Brooklyn*
Come on baby... u've been with Auntie Caliope long enough.
*Chibi-Brook nods and smiles, we go through a portal*
Ok people!
Ja ne! :) *chibi-Brook smiles and waves* :)
Alex Destine
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 06:41:26 AM
IP: 136.145.83.126

***BEGIN RP!!****
"HMMMMMM. What do we have here." Jaden says eyeing a small lever next to the stations hull. "An emergency deck decompression switch, huh. You'd think there would be some kind of lock on a thing like this. Someone could accidentally PULL it." Pulling the lever an alarm sounds. "WARNING! DECK DECOMPRESSION IN THREE MINUTES EVACUATE AT ONCE!" Suddenly realization dawns on the werewolf. "Whoa! The only way to get off this deck that I know is on the other side of that battle, I'd never make it." Pushes lever back. "DECOMPRESSION CANCELED! MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!"
"Oh a computer with an attitude." Jaden says walking off looking for another way to cause damage.
****END RP!!****

I can't believe that I spent over five hours waiting for my car to get fixed when the estimation was 30 minutes. GRRRRRR. They had some problems finding some parts that were needed to fix a parking brake lever. They said that it wouldn't even take an hour so you can imagine when the 4th hour was up I was very mad. I usually wouldn't be very mad if this had only happened once, but everytime I take that car to get fixed there is always one delay after another.
Soon I was getting ready to go and demand an excellent reason for why I was still waiting (not one like "We need to order a part" or "We forgot we had your car.") but something really, really good. And guess what? Not only did they come up with a good reason for the delay, but it was good enough to allow them to keep the car until Friday. It turns out that there is a recall on some engine parts so if they didn't replace them now for free it would end up costing me about $1,000 to do it later. Like a said a good reason.
Well that has pretty much been my day, how's yours?

Christine- I love the way your stories are now, but maybe it is time to try a new direction. Kind of like this was your starting off point. It's good to change gears every now and then. Well I know that your future stories will be fantastic.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 02:27:59 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Archwolf> <<Anyone got a spare Neutron bomb they need to detonate? i know this great place in Europe....>> Neutron bombs are for wimps. What you need, friend, is a forced singularity warhead. Y'all know the Black Shark missile from Descent 3? Imagine one of those bad boys with the size and power of the nuke that took out Nagasaki. Hehe.

Anne> Bill Gates joke> <hehehehehe>

Pistoff> Did you get my e-mail? I've had a *lot* of trouble sending it...

Mercord> Poetry> Wow. That was just...*cool*. 8) Anyhow, welcome to the CR, and if you are so unfortunate as to still be sane, allow Deuce to rectify that. :)

Caliope> <<Oh, and no endangering the ecosystem either!!!...And no dobble parking!!! :P Besides that, have fun!!!>> Sure thing! ^_^ <note to self: cancel clearcutting, uranium dumping, and mutant deer hunting>

$Green Baron> <<All the powers of the catholci schoolgirl scouts are supernatural and they are mentioned in some prophecy dating back to when St. Peter was Pope, at least in RP anyway.>> O_o Cool...! :D $

Christine> <<Basically, what I’m saying is, it’s spin-off time.>> Very cool. :) I've been planning to do something along those lines, in the increasingly unlikely event that I ever finish my main series (not that anything I ever write will ever deserve to be as revered as your work, but I am content with my place). ^_^

Sarge> <<Goliath is the son of Hudson. The mother is Demona.>> o_o' <<Lexington is really a mutation in his chromosomes when the haploid eggs and haploid......well you know...anyway he's a mutation. His parnets were so ashamed they tried passing him off as a cat.>> <hehehehhahahahaHAHAHAHA> We're both going to be in trouble with Lexy... :P <<Demona has numerous other children from over the centuries. 2. MacBeth hasn't had sex since his wife died. He's been in a mnetal hospital three times trying to kill himself.>> There's a fic in here somewhere, I just know there is...<<Avalon is the same place where Mother Goose lives.>> I KNEW it! ^_^

Bengali> <<As for Antz, I havnt seen it yet but I'll rent it, see what its like.>> I think you'll like it. (Oh, and it's rated PG, for reasons that will become clear when you've seen it. <evil grin>)
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 01:40:15 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Hey everyone. still tired. not much to say............

Kit: it's alright babe. Don't worry about it.

JOE BOXER
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 01:02:32 AM
IP: spider-wo053.proxy.aol.com

I'm all moved in... but I still have yet to finish putting EVERYTHING away. :)

You ever set your sights on something, then suddenly have the feeling that if you get it, you'll be taking on way too much?? I auditioned for a big part in "Goodnight Desdemona (Good Morning Juliet)" the absolutely hysterical play we're doing this semester, and I think the reading went well... but now I'm thinking I should have just read for the Chorus or something. I'm more terrified of actually getting the part than not getting it... *sigh*

**BUFFY SPOILERS & SPECULATION**

Willow and Tara> Oz, where the hell are you? Sorry, I really liked those two. At least Will's not going to be moping about alone, though.

Riley's fate> I don't know about him being six feet under... but a couple things made me wonder about him. One, the way Walsh was treating him - mothering him in that creepy-stalker way, forgetting to call him Agent Finn, indulging in voyeurism et cetera. Two, those vitamins. I'm willing to bet good money those are NOT just vitamins he's taking... and I also have the feeling he has no clue about that. I wouldn't put it past Walsh to have been using him as an unwitting test subject or something.

Angel> Damn VCR! It taped at SP, and I ran out of tape!

**END SPOILERS**

Christine> As much as I love and admire your writing, I understand. I'm glad you're not abandoning fanfic entirely... whew... but I've only written a meager 29 fics for any and all TV shows and have contemplated quitting to focus on original fic. I honestly don't know how you do it, and do it so well. :)

It's almost 1. I'm going to try to get my desk cleared off, then go to bed...

Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 12:50:40 AM
IP: 144.175.20.22

As it is now officially Wednesday, I am changing the mp3.
Last time it was Chicago, thistime it is Chicago: Mr. Cellophane from the musical Chicago.
Share and enjoy.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, February 9, 2000 12:15:42 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

***BEGIN RP***
Sammael and Dyspare stood nervously to the side of the demon battle, but Kari had had enough. She walked up to Sammael, and grabbed him by the collar. "Tell me what's going on!!!" she screamed.
"I can't!" he shouted in return.
"Oh, yes you can! And you're gonna, or I'll--"
"What? What are you gonna do? Kick my ass? I'm still wearing your boyfriend's body. You'll just be beating him up."
"Well, I--"
"Look....It's probably better if you don't realize the magnitude of what's going to happen.. You can't stop it, anyway."
"What does that mean?"
"Nothing!"
"Tell me!"
"NO!"
Kari grabbed Dyspare, and twisted the little demon's ears visciously. "Alright, YOU tell me."
"Owww!! Stop!!! Okay, okay, we're here to help facilitate the end of the world!!!"
Kari stood in stunned silence, and dropped Dyspare.
Sammael glared at his partner. "Aw, ya big wuss. Now you've gone and done it..."
***END RP***

Dog Update: Found out he's a fox terrier today. If you don't know what that looks like, picture a minituarized greyhound, cause it's a similar look. I'll say this, though--as small as the dog is--and he's real small--he somehow seems to be able to take up the ENTIRE bed. Some masters let their dogs sleep at the foot of the bed. Apparently, this dog thinks it's the other way around....it is fun to watch him twitch when he sleeps, though. I always wondered what dogs dreamed about...

Batman Beyond news: Some really, really depressing news I just heard--rumor going around now is that the show is going to end, probably after next season. They've made 52 episodes so far, and just may stop at that, as reports of the show ceasing production are coming in.
This, of course, makes zero sense. Batman Beyond is just now getting *really* popular, and they'll have an animated movie out by year's end, which will probably boost things even more. The only thing I can think of, if this is true, is that Warner Brothers is just trying to screw up the Batman franchise again. What, was "Batman & Robin" not enough of a travesty?

Coyote: To get your hopes up, it looks like Detroit is favored to be one of the remaining two cities to get their very own XFL team!

Kit: Glad my words encouraged you, and I hope you did well on your tests. Fortunately, I haven't had to deal with too many exams thus far, as the snow days up here have screwed around with the schedule. And I agree about the Lone Gunmen; I like them okay in small, moderate doses on the X-Files, but the idea of their own series seems rather....I don't know, wrong.

"The Rock" and Wrestling: This is all I have to say about Voyager--saw what you will about it sinking to new lows, I can guarantee you I'll be watching tomorrow's episode. Cause now I actually have a reason to watch that damn show. I mean, it's not as if Voyager has any damn credibility--or entertainment value--before this wrestling episode. So basically, at this point, I think I'd rather see "The Most Electrifying Performer in Sports Entertainment Today" The Rock wrassle Seven of Nine in her shiny skin tight jumpsuit than suffer through another "regular" hour-long coma-inducing abortion of a Voyager episode.

***BUFFY AND ANGEL REVIEWS****
Buffy: Really cool episode tonight, with the plot moving nicely along and many secrets revealed (sort of). Buffy's involvement was mercifully short-lived, but I must admitt I was somewhat surprised to see them want to off her so quickly. Finally we get to see a little of what "314" really is....and am I alone in thinking that "Adam" just screamed RESIDENT EVIL? Sure, he's the Tyrant. And the Iniative is sort of like Umbrella, in that they deal with monsters and seem to be attempting to perfect some sort of perfect supersoldier. It looks as if Dr. Walsh was taken out of the picture permanently, and next week the showdown with Adam occurs. Overall, this show was very strong, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It wasn't the best ep of the season, but it ranks as a very good one that moved the storyline along nicely.
And, it seems, we get the first documented case of Willow doing the bad thing with Tara (you can flame me for that ;)

Angel: A pretty good episode tonight, although not without problems. Jhiera is a rather interesting character, and I look forward to seeing more of her (and there will be more--word out now is that she'll be a regular cast member). Of course, this could be due to my attraction to Bai Ling (I love beautiful Asian actresses!). I'd like to see a little more of her dimension, and show a little more on her family troubles. The villains were kind of blah though...not real interesting (chauvinistic demons), and the makeup department sure didn't put much effort into their look. And I felt that Cordy and Wesley had too little to do in this episode, but then again this show was all about Angel and Jhiera. A good episode, though.
***END REVIEWS***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 11:25:31 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

What? No post-Angel/Buffy flurry of commentary? It's been an hour people! And you call yourselves fans! Oh well...

*****ANGEL/BUFFY SPOILERS******

Loved Buffy! Best line of the night goes to Anya for her off hand "Xander likes spanking" comment.

So they toasted the Prof? Well, there go all those theories of hot monkey love between Maggie and Gilesmy friends had, just like Whedon to do the completely unexpected like that.

I'm still betting Reiley is six feet under by season's end. Just look at it, Buffy is happy and having sex, Xander is happy and having sex, Willow is having sex but is feeling really guilty about it (I think tonight confirmed it)
So the show is due for an upset.

Bai Ling's character: In the immortal words of Wayne Cambell and Garth Agar, there is but one response: SCHWING!!!! Tight leather, major butt kicking martial arts, and ridges!!!!YesYesYesYesYesYesYes!

*Skippy gets out the mop and cleans up the drool as he leaves*


Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 11:05:49 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-06.ultravision.net

Green Baron> L/R: I am humbled. See what happens when an engineer tries to talk about politics...

The Revered, August, VenerableMrs. Morgan> My reaction is the same as the others: "WHAT?! Oh..., I see." I agree that this seems like a good place to shift the timeline. I wish you the best of luck on all your future, certain to be excellent, writings.
p.s.:yes, I do like thesauri. Hmm... an antonym of reverd is profane

Sarge> <<I wanted to be Galileo!>>: Left brained sketch artist, leave the appropriate parts to the right brainers **sarcasm**.

Kitania> <<real fans of those characters want that's important>>: Aye, me bucko, diluting what is popular in "niche audiences" with mainstream ideas does not make things better, just less.
Ishimuran reaction to Japanese oddness: As they appear to strongly adhere to traditional ways, I would assumethey would at least shake their heads and sigh, if not something more disparaging
<<but if they haven't learned thereasons why not [to elect Nazis], I say we give them the chance>>: And just make sure they don't make any alliances period. That is why I think everything got so bad and lasted so long.
Pitch Black: Something about a spaceship chrashed on a planet during an eclipse with an uber-criminal thrown into the mix.

Gyre> <<On the question I posted last week, my thanks for you help>>: No problem, when do we find out the name of the assassin?

News from me that no one cares about: I have a place to live next semester. I shall be moving ~10 feet vertically from my current position. And just about everyone else is staying in the proximity.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:57:21 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Pitch Black: I just saw the preview... ME LIKE! I will probaly go see it, maybe even in a decent theater.

Spike: <A canon character is one that is part of the cast from the "Garogyles" show>
Ah. Ok. Thanks for the info.
ONLY fics by Leva are invalid, right?

Christine: Looks like you ended your series with your best work ever. GREAT way to end a series!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:47:40 PM
IP: t1-22.visitus.net

Revel: <nods> Yes, you did. Thanks again for the excellent product. If anyone wants to check the pics out drop me a line, and I'll send them your way. :)

More later, sorry I'm a bit too tired to post tonight.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:30:04 PM
IP: pool-207-205-144-156.dlls.grid.net

Christine>-well on the up side of things I did buy your book Curse of the Shadow Beast. I haven't started reading it so do you have any advice before I start.
Heh, oh well. On another note I finished the pics of Jade and Nikki for Doug.
*looks from left to right*
Well that's about all for now. I guess I'll drop in some other time.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:27:23 PM
IP: cache-db07.proxy.aol.com

*appears*

well, I'm sorry for posting so often but its soo hard to stay caught up!!! either I post every 12 hours or it takes me to long to read it all....

*sighs* anyways.

Mara< *jumps up and down* Neon Genesis!!! cool!!!! I liked that one!!! congrats!

Bob Jones< okay, umm... I've never been to the actual college or anything but I happen to LOVE their curriculum. I had so many different varieties of school books last year and that was the only one that I was able to make sense out of. the only other books I would recommend highly besides them is Abeka, and lately they've even been pissing me off... but then again... I have weird opinions of what is good... I happen to like new things being explained to me :P

well now that I've said my piece I leave you in peace :P

*walks over to the table and puts a cord laced w/iron around chibi-puck's arm* okay I've had enough of leaving you here. you're coming with whether you like it or not.

*disappears w/puck*
cherry blossom
WI, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:20:35 PM
IP: spider-wa024.proxy.aol.com

Christine> Finished reading Damien part three. My reaction to it can best be in three mystical words I know everyone here must have thought at least once while rapt in your storytelling. "Oh." "Holy." "Shit." I spent half the fic with my hand to my mouth in that universal "I can't believe I'm reading this" gesture. Truly incredible writing. It's been insinuated before, but there is no doubt left that you are THE Woman. As much as it makes me sad to know it's a series ender... as long as thosecreativity thingies of yours keep nipping at your arse and make you write, we'll all hold our breath in antici...... (say it!) pation for the next paragraph.

Mara> What, exactly, is Xellos-kun up to now? Oh, and you might want to tell him to be carefull how he licks those blades. A monomolecular edge will cut through pretty much anything. And I know Hyena-chan would be most upset if Xellos were to lose his tongue.


::Looks at Xelloss, He looks back. There is a long pause and then they both laughing hysterically::

::long pause::

::more hysterical laughter::

::Xelloss sticks out his tongue and makes a sawing gesuter with his tongue. More hysterical laughter::

*sigh, trying to catch her breath* ::pats Aaron on the shoulder:: Good one, dear...








Mara Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:09:25 PM
IP: spider-wa044.proxy.aol.com

http://dolphinsociety.org/
Anonymous
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 08:50:21 PM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net

Janie : >> The packet is in the mail... you should get it between 3 to 5 days. Please do let me know when it has arrived.
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 08:45:02 PM
IP: spider-tn021.proxy.aol.com

Quick post because I haven't caught up....

Aaron: Here's a little more history. Perhaps the Waffen SS could be considered analagous, but in order to be members of the SS, they had to prove not only their racial purity to I *believe* 8 generations (either 5, 6, or 8, I can't remember which), but also that of their wives if they were married. They also had to belong to the Nazi party, and have gone through the mandatory Nazi propaganda classes on the evils of the untermenschen and other various life-unworthy-of-lives. Also many of them were in the Einsatzgrueppen, which were the special squads that went around rounding up Jews and shoting them.
jewel
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 06:28:23 PM
IP: spider-tm021.proxy.aol.com

Fire Storm>> A canon character is one that is part of the cast from the "Garogyles" show -- Goliath, Brooklyn, etc.. as opposed to an original design someone created on their own.
Spike
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 05:55:08 PM
IP: pppt13-87.ght.iadfw.net

Umm, nothing to post except that I'm tired. I noticed ironically last night...for those of us who cannot get Toon Disney and only see Gargoyles on the Disney Channel on Sundays, they played "Vows" last night. And what is this week's ep about? ;)
SOROW
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 05:49:02 PM
IP: dll2a010-0376.splitrock.net

**RP HERE, BE ADVISED. :)**

On the Avatar of Ganon space station, demons continue streaming through the portal and attacking anything that moves, the Ravens still hard-pressed to force them back. Kaioto has been cutting down many with his sword but has now become embroiled in fighting the Bloodthirster, and therefore the Ravens have to continue their own battles without him. On one side of the conflict, Shap is blinking furiously as Doug and Kit help him stand back up, wondering if the hellish red glow he just saw in SJ's eyes before he was knocked down was really there. "You okay?" Kit asks him, and he nods. "Just a little winded. Where'd that little one who started this go?" "We don't know," Doug says, "but we'll probably get him eventually, don't worry. Right now we have to help Lathrop, come on!" Shap nods and draws his holy avenger as they run over to the wizard, who is forcing back wave after wave of hordling and lemure demons exiting the portal to hell with great expense of spells. "Save your energy, mage!" Kit yells at him as they dash to his aid. "Close the portal! We'll keep them back!" Lathrop nods. "My thanks." He then begins gathering spell power as Doug and Kit start blasting back demons while Shap uses his circle of protection from evil to keep most of them away and slashes down any that get too close. The three continue to do so for several minutes, and then Lathrop claps his hands loudly. The portal to hell instantly disappears in a spray of cold brimstone, several of the demons who were too close dying in the explosion. The rest fighting near it quickly run for cover, and in doing so are cut down from behind. "That was close," Doug breathes a sigh of relief. "Indeed," Lathrop agrees, wiping sweat from his brow. "But I don't think I have the energy to do that again. We better hurry up and kill every demon that's still here, before they can open another gateway for their brothers." Kit looks at the bodies of all the demons they've killed, as well as the ones still fighting the other Ravens, and whistles. "I think that could be a problem." "Then let's solve it," Doug cocks his shotgun and waves to them. "Fast." The others nod and then they rush back to help their friends in the continuing fight.

**PAUSE RP TILL END OF POST**

Hi everyone. You all having a good day? :) I am, somewhat. Remember the tests I mentioned I had this week? Well, today I had them both, and now they're over. Don't know whether I passed or not, but right now I don't care. I'm just glad to be free. :) Something tells me the rest of this day, I should relax, and that of course would include getting caught up and posting in here. So here goes. <shrugs, grins>

Jessie Feff: <nods> You're probably right about Willow, thanks to you, Jewel, and Skippy for making good final points and predictions in the discussion we had about Willow last week. BTW, I hear the subplot that involves what we discussed starts in tonight's episode. Don't forget to watch it. :)

Bengali: <reads second apology, nods> Don't worry, we completely understand. We're also glad you've stopped making such posts as got you into this situation, but that's beside the point. :) Calm down, okay? And remember, as long as you treat us like such, we shall remain your friends. :) <sighs in relief that the latest CR religion debate is over> Good luck recovering from those bee stings, sorry to hear about them though I am glad to know you didn't get hurt too badly. :)

SJ: Thanks for the good response to my words, it means a lot to know you consider me a friend. :) Glad to hear you're handling your family situation well, I will keep praying for you as it continues. :) Also, thanks for sharing your opinions on the Presidential Primaries and Buffy's possible cancellation, with which I completely agree. Also share your opinions of where the Spiderman casting directors and the guys who chose those X-Men costumes have their heads stuck. <sigh> Why can't they just see it's what the real fans of those characters want that's important, not what they want? Ugh.

SOROW: Okay, in that case, you enjoy the lunchbox. :) Sorry about your bad day on Friday, hope you're feeling a lot better now.

Pistoff: You're welcome. Thanks for the understanding, and the further story clarification. Once again, I'm sorry for any offense I incurred in my posts to you last week. Thanks also for admitting and pledging to correct what may have been your mistakes. For the record, the next time you're worried about making a story too long but feel you should add something to make it better, there's at least one reader who thinks you should go ahead and put it in (me). The extra length of the story will definitely be worth it thanks to the quality of your work. <re- Japanese game shows> You're right, those do sound awful. <sighs> Wonder what the Ishimura clan would make of them (and how they would react to having similar things happen to them L). Oh, one more thing. Have fun tomorrow (I know it's your last day. ;), and good luck afterwards wherever you end up. :)

Afterlife: <frowns> Too bad I missed the boat on this topic last week, it seems about over now. <sigh> For the record, if anyone cares, I too believe that humans have souls and when we die they go to some place where they deserve to be depending on what kind of person we were. Yes, I know, it's a common view, but hey, if lots of people believe it, it must have some truth to it, right? <sighs, prepares for storm of dissent> Anyway, that's my opinion. I also think that we craft what our souls are more than they craft what we are. Even if reincarnation exists, the environment and others can still make life a lot different for the souls who come back again and again. Is my soul more to me than just who I am? Well, yes, but every time I consider the idea, I realize it's not that much more. <depressed frown> Let's talk about something else.

Joe: When you become famous, right. :) We look forward to it. Again hope you have fun at your concert without us, so sorry we can't attend. :(

Wilek: <There's something I love about this> Yeah, I like it too. :) Too bad there's not anything similar in my family. <shrugs> Oh well, I guess it's good sometimes to just be mundane.

Timedancer: I too am waiting for its new season eagerly, with _waiting_ emphasized. :) The reasons why have already been said many times by many people, I agree with Airwalker that Timedancer was the best series done last season (also agree with him somewhat about Gargoyles/Pendragon's imperfections, and TD's as well, though I do agree with Todd and Mandi more about Madoc and I also have confidence that next season at least most of the previous mistakes won't come back :). Hope the new TD season comes out soon, and lives up to all our hopes when it does. :)

Demona Trial: I'm looking forward to that too. :) Of course, I'm looking forward more to the whole Virtual Gathering later this month, since I'll be able to attend it. <sigh> Everyone who goes to the real one remember to fill me in, okay? :)

Gaeriel and all other Returners: Welcome back. Welcome to all newcomers as well. Hope y'all enjoy this place. :)

Austria Situation: <grimace> This worries me as much as it does most people in here, but I am worried more by the things some people have been implying we should go to Austria and do to turn things around. <sigh> Whatever happened to freedom of choice? Yeah, I know people shouldn't be choosing neo-Nazi parties to represent them, but if they haven't learned the reasons why not, I say we give them the chance. :) Hopefully the lesson will not take long to be applied, and the rest of the world will learn it soon after. :( If not, like Kaioto said, I hope we do something about it fast.

Bob Jones College: I agree with Jewel about this place, what planet do the people who run it think they're on? It also of course saddens me that so many politicians haven't done something about this place, some of them have even endorsed it. <sighs> Including our own Texas governor, who spoke there recently. (Yes, I know he did say in his speech he didn't like their policy against interracial dating, but even though he said that he still spoke there. In the words of one of Austin's local humor columnists, that's like protesting a porn theatre by going inside and handing out leaflets to the ones watching films inside.) <sighs again> Because of it, I'm hoping even more that the Princeling doesn't win his Party's nomination. With everything I hear about him, my respect for Bush declines. <shakes head> As for my own opinion on interracial dating, you've probably guessed by now that I have no problem with it, especially in this time when it's becoming more accepted and widespread. I've learned in my life that there are many subjects with which nothing is wrong but what people make wrong, and too many people are definitely making things wrong with interracial dating IMO. Hopefully they will soon become a thing of the past, and then the world will be better for all humans. <prayer> I also agree with Katara and Jaden's points about the subject, and am glad that I'm not the only one who has been helped to learn the truth about prejudice through personal experience, and am thankful for it of course. :)

Jannie: Congrats on getting your daughter situation worked out, I'm glad you've finally reached resolution with her. :) May you both have a good life from now on. <Latest school situation> Geez, those parents are dumb! <throws up hands> Thank God mine didn't raise me like they're raising their kid, that's all I have to say. Good luck with whatever happens, you'll stay in my prayers. :)

Rodlox: <nods> I agree with you about Vikings, there is a bit too much negative portrayal of the Scandanavian culture because of them. <sigh> Hope that in the future more people like you who know the truth are able to spread it around.

X-Files: Good episode of it this week, I'm happy they're getting back to the ongoing mythology episodes. Nice spooky and interestingly mysterious plot and character development on Mulder and Skinner to start things off with it too. Hope it continues in next week's ep, and we also see some more development on Scully. And Cancerman, too, since he's returning again. :) As for the possible Lone Gunmen spinoff, I'm personally not looking forward to it since I've never liked the Lone Gunmen that much. But if it turns out to be good, I'll probably still watch it. <shrugs> I'll have to wait and see.

**SPOILERS FOR NEW DARK AGES EPISODE**

Excellent season finale, all staff who contributed. To say I enjoyed reading this episode would be a great understatement. I liked everything done in it- the plot, the character development, the romance between Goliath and Demona, the dialogue especially, and the pics. The humor in some scenes like Xanatos finding the broom closet, was good too. I had to watch Vows while reading to get some bits, but that was more of a strength for the story and the overall saga of Gargoyles and Dark Ages than it was a weakness IMO. The writing of this episode was excellent, especially where foreshadowing came into play. :) Look forward to what happens because of its events in future stories which will hopefully come soon. I will be waiting for those stories, however long it takes. For now, this episode gets a 10/10, and I thank the Dark Ages staff for all their good work.

**END SPOILERS FOR DA, BACK TO POST**

Archwolf: You're getting gray hairs early too? :) Well, you're right, that is bad in some ways. But hey, if you have a lot of stress in your life bringing them on, they can be understandable. Glad you're taking them well so far. :)

Pitch Black: Keith David's in it, people in the CR are recommending it, hmm. Still don't know if I should see the film since I haven't seen any previews for it and don't know what it's been about. :( Oh well, I'm sure I'll find out the answers to what it's about soon. In the meantime, y'all should definitely expect some movie reviews from Doug and me coming up later this month. Of The Beach, Reindeer Games, and whatever other good-looking films we get interested in. :)

Green Baron: $ Good RP, though you better be careful. You came dangerously close to violating CR standards in it. :) $ Good points about Austria, and interracial relationships as well. I agree it's time to do a crusade on Bob Jones, if you're looking for volunteers, I'll gladly join up. :)

Deuce: Welcome back to you especially. Sorry to hear about you and Catherine breaking it off, but hey, something less than that works for both of you, I guess it's fine. Not that I should really make judgement on you anyway. :) So what'd you think of Meet Joe Black? Good movie? Doug and I thought it was, even though it had its faults. If someone hasn't sent you an X-files synopsis yet, let us know and we'll be happy to do the favor. :)

John Kovalic: I like his cartoons a lot as well. He's definitely someone who knows gamers. :) BTW, if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about, click my name and prepare to laugh your head off shortly after. :)

Christine: <reads your post> What? No more Gargoyles stories from you? Ack! <calms down> Oh, wait, false alarm, sorry. You did say you'll still be writing Gargoyles-spinoff fics, I suppose those are still good. :) Your other stories will be worth the read as well, of course, I'm glad you're concentrating more on them. I can understand why you've decided to stop writing the main stories too, you have good reasons. I do hope you'll still be continuing your main Gargoyles series someday, though, I really enjoyed it a lot and Damien left a heck of a lot unresolved. Like whatever happened to Godiva, for example, and when and how Jason and Demona will ever get out of hell. <sighs> Guess I'll have to wait for the answers, however long it takes. For the record, I enjoyed Damien Three a lot, it really blew me away with its excellent character development, action, and plot. The events of the plot flowed wonderfully, it was great watching them to say the least. Of course when it was over, I was saddened, as I wanted to know more of what happened, but,...<sigh> Even with the abrupt ending and all it left dangling, the story was still great. 8/10 IMO. Not sure what else to say about it, you've probably gotten more and better feedback already. :) Thanks for the entertainment of it, and I look forward to whatever you write next. Good luck in the future, with all the things you write. <grin>

Sarge: You love life? With those rants, it's a little hard to believe! :) Thanks for making them, friend. Venting prevents explosions and all that. Hope your life soon somehow improves.

And since that appears to be all I have to say for now, I'll sign off. Later everyone, enjoy the rest of the day while it lasts. I'll certainly do my best to. :) Bye for now.

**RESUME RP ACTION (NOTE TO SJ- HOPE I'M NOT DISRUPTING ANY OF YOUR PLANS WITH THIS, IF SO LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL DO WHAT I CAN TO FIX THINGS UP :)**

Watching the battle on the Avatar continue from the City of the Dead, Deavik listens to Mephisto's words and thinks over them for a long moment. "Hmm," the Ultroloth Demon Lord says finally. "You have an interesting plan, Mephisto. I am not sure if it will work, but there is definitely a chance." "More than that, I believe," Mephisto crosses his arms. "I have deliberated on this plan for a long time, it is brilliant, don't you think?" Deavik nods. "Indeed. My own plans for opening the portals between Hell and Earth pale by comparison to it, especially since they are not yet entirely completed. I do have many...assets on Earth, there, and here in Hell as well, who will help me complete the plan as soon as the time to enact it becomes clear." "That's assuming I leave any of Earth for you to conquer," Mephisto points out. "If our mutual adversaries the Black Ravens don't stop you first of course," Deavik shoots back. "Or your own inept planning for the possibility of your main servant forgetting what it was supposed to do." "Sammael remembers now," Mephisto insists, "and he will do what I wish of him." "I wouldn't be so sure of that," a voice intervenes. Both demon lords turn to see a third member of their race, a tall horned lizard-woman with insectile wings and a cold grin on her face dressed in rusting black armor, has appeared apparently out of nowhere and is now standing behind them leaning against a pillar of bones. "Synatia," Deavik nods at the female pit fiend. "How did you get here without our detecting you?" "The City of the Dead is practically within my domain, Deavik," the demoness who once married and corrupted Pastor John chuckles back. "Within my domain I can come and go as I please." She looks at Mephisto and then the battle display. "I see the two of you have been observing the Avatar battle as I have, excellent." Mephisto raises an eyebrow. "What did you mean about Sammael not following my wishes?" he growls at Synatia. "He is my servant, he will do as I command! Who are you to say otherwise?" "One who knows more about the situation than you do, my friend," Synatia snaps back. "Have you forgotten how much contact I've had with those who call themselves the followers of God but are so only in their minds? Corrupting them has taught me how to spot the real influence of our eternal adversary, and I think he may have had some here, with your plans." Mephisto gasps. "What? God himself is turning against me? That accursed goody-two-shoes knows what I'm up to?" He glares at Synatia in shock, then turns to Deavik. "I must leave, and investigate the possibility of whether this is true. We'll continue our discussion later." "As you wish," Deavik nods, then watches as Mephisto vanishes in a puff of brimstone. Then his eyes flash as he turns to Synatia. "Just for the record, did you mean what I said?" "Of course not," the demoness laughs. "I don't know any more about his plans than you, but since Mephisto and I are often equally at odds as you and he are, I still am more than willing to do all I can to disrupt his designs. Besides, we can't have him working against our plans for Earth, can we?" "No, indeed," Deavik shakes his head. "But his plans are brilliant, Synatia. If they succeed..." "They won't, Deavik," the other demon interrupts. "Not if we move quickly, and Gothmenes surely wants it to be so." Deavik pauses as she sends him a telepathic image of Gothmenes demanding a meeting. He then clenches his fist. "That impatient, insubordinate upstart. That selfish, unrealistic, pathetic excuse for a...fool! Fine! He shall have his meeting. Thank you for informing me of the request. Tell Gothmenes we shall meet at the Mountain of Woe, tomorrow at noon. I will make sure Cromwell and Valerian attend. I also assume you will handle the others?" "Of course," Synatia nods. "By the way, should we inform Lord Lucifer of Mephisto's designs? He is sure to help us disrupt them." "Not yet," Deavik says. "We don't want him to further investigate if he does learn Mephisto's plans, and discover ours." "Of course," Synatia agrees. She then teleports away as Deavik calls back his forces to follow him home and the screen's image fades.

**END RP AND POST**
Kitainia
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 05:42:05 PM
IP: pool-209-138-203-182-dlls.grid.net

Sorry to be doing a double post, but I jes' read the news from christine.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.....::blinks::.....sigh....I'll miss that crew....hmmm spin-offs? Well okay......::recovers from the shock.::

Sarge

P.s Wasn't your new years resolution to finish off jerhico? I dunno. if you said that.....sometimes I dream these things up. And maybe you already have finished him off I jes' hadn't been paying attention. Like i usually don't.
Sarge Abernathy - [sargeMM@aol.com]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 05:14:43 PM
IP: spider-wi081.proxy.aol.com

Christine: I am reminded of what another of my favorite authors wrote : "The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again...There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time, But it was _a_ beginning" (Robert Jordan, Eye of the world).
It feels like, with your closure of the mainstream, there _is_ an ending. But then you say you will continue with your spinoffs for a while, so the Wheel turns, and there is, indeed, A Beginnig. Oh, well. Thats my thoughts on the whole thing.

*Smiles as he feels a gentle breeze in the woods, mumbles to self 'it was _a_ beginning'*

Later all, dinner calls
The Wheel Weaves as the Wheel Wills


Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 05:09:52 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Attention all Buffymaniacs, today is Seth Green's birthday. He's 26. Celebrate in whatever manner is appropraite.

GB> Fatherland? Never heard of it. What's it about?

Christine> The end of an era. I shall miss your mainstream stuff. Still, the spinoffs sound cool. Here's hoping you, unlike Greg, get to explore all of them to your heart's content.

Mara> What, exactly, is Xellos-kun up to now? Oh, and you might want to tell him to be carefull how he licks those blades. A monomolecular edge will cut through pretty much anything. And I know Hyena-chan would be most upset if Xellos were to lose his tongue.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 03:57:21 PM
IP: a7x24.iwl.net

DERN LOT BOYS!

WRITERS! us WRITERS!
Fire Storm
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 02:30:37 PM
IP: t3-61.visitus.net

Christine: Although I am DEEPLY saddened by the prospect of no more of your mainstream Gargoyles episodes, I think you made a wise and brave choice. I found myself wondering "Ok... now what does she write about?" after reading Damien part 3.
Good luck on your new story lines, and if they are half as good as the old stuff, we have alot of good stories to read in the future. (And hope that someone asks you to continue your series, asks you to write the first episode, then screws up the next dozen! ;)
Thanks for inspiring all of us writes into making the gargs universe a much more twisted, crazy, violent, and sexier place!

Spike: What is the deffinition of a "Cannon" character? Is that someone like Vinnie?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 02:25:39 PM
IP: t3-61.visitus.net

[enters the room, and nearly goes BOIK! from reading Christine's missive...]

Wa..??? Say it ain't so? (Chibi-Broadway pops up and taps Stephen on the shoulder; "Um, it is. I just checked.") Oh... damn.

Well, things do have an ending, even though we wish they would go on forever. It's not going to be the same around here without any more stories coming from that twisted little mind of yours, Chris. But, I sincerely hope you continue to stick around here and continue to hang around with the rest of us. We may not get much more of your writing (until you sell your novels that is! <crosses fingers>), but we can't stand to lose you, my friend.

I've told you this before, but here I go again: Your one of the best friends a starving writer could have. You've been a support and an inspiration to me. If not for a few words a few years back, I'd never be the writer I am today, and I have you to thank for it.

God Bless you, Christine Morgan...Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 01:30:43 PM
IP: m37.ieway.com

The bees thing>Thanks, It did hurt but I'll be okay, just very much sore. I mainly got stung on the legs and feet but I got stung twice on the face, both of which hurt like crazy. I'm just glad that the guy and his wife were there or I probably would be in a much worse state. I'll be okay, nothing that wont heal in time. I just wish that I had watched where I was going. Thanks for your concern, I should be okay in a couple weeks or so.

Wilek>Thanks, I agree that if they made Hercules faithful to mythology most parents would not allow for their children to see it but they still should not have made it "hip", I hate that in movies when they try to make it "cool" or so they think cuz they usually just end up making a big flop. As for Antz, I havnt seen it yet but I'll rent it, see what its like.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 01:15:40 PM
IP: spider-ti061.proxy.aol.com

*bawls like a baby and passes the Kleenex*

Christine>> Well, it's been a long weird, wonderful journey but like all things, there has to be an ending. You've got bigger and better things waiting up ahead and all I have to say is thanks for letting us come along on the ride. You were one of the first writers to inspire me to start writing again and I'll always be grateful.

Thank you.
And good luck.
Spike - [Toon Avery from "Avery's Bad Day"]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 01:07:34 PM
IP: pppt06-119.ght.iadfw.net

::walks in ready ta rant out his daily problems::

VERMONT RANT:

Okay so most of you know about the proposal to allow Gay marriage in our state. Same thing happened in Hawaii and they went against it. Well it's becoming a huge deal over here. Already we have threats from other states and countries that if we accepted it they would boycott our products. Including Cabot cheese, Ben and Jerry's ice cream, Vermont apples, and the large maple syurp companies. Although the companies aren't worried either way. Mainly because they realize that if it is accepted there will be a population boom of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. ANyway it is also becoming a big deal in the school! there is a club that I belong to called the GSA and we are for accepting, of course that doesn't stop kids from ripping down our posters and making crude remarks. Also some of our parents don't know and recently a couple of our members have been grilled by parents. I'm thankful that the state hearings on the matter were peacful and that there weren't any fights. My friend Marco almost burnt a poster of the ooposing team down. Then realize they laminated them all. I'm glad they did, I didn't want to see a cop coming up to us. Plus it was 10:00 at night and I was freeeeezing! AUGH! I'm thankful that the legislature is working pretty FAST! Of course now I am becoming more of an activist. Although I wouldn't be caught dead on a GreenPeace boat. I like what they fight for, but man do they become persistant! So that's the big BUZZ here in Vermont. No one can stop talking about it until the bill is passed.

Art RANT:

I'm becoming a good artist quickly. Already my sketchings are good(before they were terrible, don't ask me how a sketch is terrible, they just are)and I got the human body pretty much down falt. I am an excellant drawer with pastels and charcoal. However I'd like to try painting and ink. Just one problem. I am not fluent with Ink, and I hate canvas because it always leaves a clothy look to it no matter how much I try. Oh well. I am getting help from my teacher. Although I am still angry that my Brooklyn picture (sketch) is missing. Now I am working on some Beast Wars pics. So there's an art rant. Mainly because I am getting frustrated.

Homework Rant:

AUGH! I have so much homerwork, when I only have TWO classes! My gemometry isn't so bad. EXCEPT WHEN I LOOSE THE TEXT BOOK! And then there is History where the guy is a TREE killer! I have gotten packet after packet until we could make an artificial tree out of them! He has us study them all, then we have to reinact the Galileo Trial. I am Cardinal Franseco Barberini. :P.....Like I have a good part. I wanted to be Galileo! All well. Other than that Homework is fine.

JOB rant:

I AM SO TIRED of my job! I want to work as a clerk or a waiter, it makes much more pay and I am wanting to get some more electronics and games. Plus a scanner so I can FINNALY GET a picture up on the net! I am lucky because I live in teh country, but there is a store down the hill, so I don't have to drive. Not that I can! Taht is! I CA NOT figure out that driver learning permit test! AUGH! I am having to take the driver's course over the summer now!

So that's my rant.....:P I love life by the way! ::Starts twitching::

Top ten things you didn't know about Gargs. (These are bad)

10. Goliath is the son of Hudson. The mother is Demona.
9. Broadway is skinny, that's just a coustume.
8. Lexington is really a mutation in his chromosomes when the haploid eggs and haploid......well you know...anyway he's a mutation. His parnets were so ashamed they tried passing him off as a cat.
7. BRooklyn is part bird. His distant cousin is Griff in reality.
6. Elisa Maza has a second brother. They couldn't put him on the show because it might affend parents.....
5. There IS no Eeire building in NYC!!! Really!
4. Thailog is two inches shorter than Goliath.
3. Demona has numerous other children from over the centuries.
2. MacBeth hasn't had sex since his wife died. He's been in a mnetal hospital three times trying to kill himself.
1. Avalon is the same place where Mother Goose lives.
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, Vermont, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 01:05:13 PM
IP: 209.198.65.194

Have you voted yet? Time is running out to vote for your favorites in the Gargoyles Fandom -- the top writers, the top artists, the best fanfics and who's going to be the top fan -- now is the time to find out. Winners to be announced on Saturday, Feb. 26th at the Gargoyles Fandom Internet Reunion!!

Hope to see you there!
Spike - [<--<< Gargoyle Fandom Reunion Awards!!!!]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 12:32:26 PM
IP: pppt06-119.ght.iadfw.net

I was brought to a rather startling realization the other day.

“Damien Part Three” was a series finale. Not just a season finale, a _series_ finale. I’ve reached an end, a stopping point, a place from which I must decide where to go from here.

This realization was brought to my attention by a friend whose feedback has been among the most consistent, honest, and valued I’ve received over the years. One of the few who doesn’t shy from telling me the bad as well as the good. Which, though no writer ever _likes_ hearing the negatives, is really what I do need and appreciate. (Note: by “negatives” and “bad,” I’m not talking about the Attacks of the Prude Patrol <g>)

Among other things, he pointed out to me that “Damien” was, in terms of numbers and tone, my “Hunter’s Moon.” It was my 65th piece in my continuous fanfiction saga, and it had a definite sense of closure and completion to it. Yes, there were other things I could continue to write about, more loose ends, storylines I could pursue ... but to do so would be anticlimactic and unnecessary, and would even detract from the power of the “Damien” stories.

My 65th fanfic. I have lost track of how many times I’ve stated my intention to keep going until I’d at least outnumbered actual episodes of the show. “Hunter’s Moon 3” and “Damien 3” both being the 65th in their respective series wasn’t something I’d purposefully done, wasn’t _planned_ ... but I’d be a fool to ignore the significance of that parallel.

(At this point Tim helpfully interjects: “What, you’re going to write one more good story and then a dozen crappy ones?” Har, har, don’t make me come over there, smart guy!)

I think I was unwillingly aware of it in the back of my mind as I was writing the “Damien” stories. That this was it, this was an ending, things were wrapping themselves up whether I liked it or not. The final confrontation and fate of Jericho, for instance ... I didn’t expect it to happen quite this fast, but it was fitting, it was right, it was something I couldn’t have changed even if I’d wanted to.

My goal here isn’t to panic the faithful followers of my stories into thinking that I’m quitting. I couldn’t do that. Not now, not for a long time to come. And certainly not until I’ve reached that stated goal of at least 79 ; )

But I am going to be changing, taking a new direction. As things stand now in my universe, it is March of 2001, the clan is relatively safe and secure, most everyone is happily mated, and in one fell swoop they just lost most of their adversaries. There are things I _could_ do, and some that I _will_, but they are going to be handled in a different way.

Basically, what I’m saying is, it’s spin-off time. Henceforth, the majority of the fanfics that I write will fall into one of the following categories:

1. The Guardians -- set 15-20 years in the future, centering mainly on the characters of Amber, Alexander, and Orpheus. The questions and loose ends left unanswered at the end of “Damien” will likely be addressed through flashbacks, memories, and history. We’ll also be seeing more of Old-Mother and events in the far past, as Amber’s adventures with the Phoenix Gate continue.

2. The Dissidents -- several of the Avalon gargoyles will be striking out on their own, led by the temperamental Tourmaline and the hunky Corwin. I anticipate run-ins with the Pirate Clan, other gargoyles around the world, and maybe even Brendan and Dakota.

There will also be a catch-all category that will include such stories as “Statue” (my projected Black Adder crossover), perhaps another visit to the “What Might Have Been” alternity, the occasional naughty vignette, and others that may crop up clamoring to be told.

Several years ago, Stephen King announced that he was going to end his Castle Rock stories in a big way. And he did, in “Needful Things,” one of my favorite of his books. But I’ve noticed that although he did that, he still can’t seem to stay away. Keeps creeping on back. Now, it’s colossally arrogant to compare myself to him, but colossal arrogance has never stopped me before ... ; )

So I think it’s safe to say that I’ll be sneaking back to visit Goliath and company on occasion. Just not with the same degree of intensity as before. “With the Revolver,” for instance, will simply _have_ to involve the original clan, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see “Another Shameless Plug” this summer to coincide with the release of my second book.

This decision wouldn’t have been an easy one to make, except that really, it was made for me. Just as the stories and characters sometimes surprise me with the directions they take, so too did the series. It came naturally to this stopping point of its own accord, and to continue now that I’ve realized that would be the wrong thing to do.

I’m facing this change with a mixture of anticipation and terror. But it’s because of the positive experience in working with characters like Elektra, Aiden, T.J., Godiva, Gustav, and Jericho, that I feel I can move on with this shift of focus.

And it is because of everyone who has read and responded to my stories over the years, be it through letters, artwork, requests to borrow, or founding a fan club, that I feel confident and hopeful that I’ll be able to continue presenting enjoyable and compelling tales.

In closing, I’m going to get sappy and say that these past six years have been the best in my entire life. While much of that is due to Tim and Becca and my book, the rest of it is directly due to Gargoyles, to fanfic, and to my rambling extended clan of friends. Some of us may have our differences, but I wouldn’t trade it for anything.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 12:28:53 PM
IP: krldb108-05.splitrock.net

Mara walks in, drawing arm in a sling so it can rest between sketching classes. Notices Xelloss and Hyena-chan and shrugs slightly:: A devil and a cyborg lady... ain't love ....weird?
::hyena glares at her, aiming her monomolecular-edged sawblades. Xelloss, still puzzled, licks the side of one, much to Hyena's surprise.::

Xelloss-donno:; (in his best but still comme ce comme ca English, since Akira-sama is voicing him and not that lathargic penguin David Moo) See, Hyena-cahn, I couldn't have sent these... they have no taste!

::Hynea blushes, remembering that most of Xelloss' gifts are flavored for more... intimate reasons::

Xelloss glowers, eyes wide open and menacing:: I am going to get the little weasel hiding up in the shadows!!! ::he does some chant or other, asking L-sama for power or something, and disappears in a black aura, determined to get the dude trying to steal his girl::


SPeaking of Ishida Akira-sama's beautiful sexy seiyuu voice ::Large anime hearts float around her head. She pops them with a pin:: Ahem... I bought Neon Genisis Evangelion on Sunday, volume 12, which had the appearance and death of Nagisa Kaoru, both Fifth Child and Last Angel. Simply gorgeous. Best line he says (though there are many, the character is muy deep)

"I was probably born to meet you." (to Shinji)


GB:: Someone is a little award hungry.. ne?
Mara Cordova
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 12:22:42 PM
IP: spider-ti044.proxy.aol.com

***Kyryn peers in from work and notices that DC has managed to pull himself back together. She promptly shoots him again with the bazooka ****

Sigh. Still having problems with the isp from home this morning.

Rodlox> Kyryn is pronounced 'Key-ren'. It is a variant spelling of ki-rin, the name for the Japanese 'unicorn'.

****Kyryn disappears back to work****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 11:38:53 AM
IP: 207.115.148.178

*walks into the room*

well, I see someone has joined Puck in poker?? hehe have fun!!

*watches chibi-puck lay out a couple cards and put a manila envelope in the middle of the table* *sighs* I told you not to play for wagers didn't I? I know that poker isn't fun without them but it doesn't make a difference! *takes the manila envelope and puts it in her pocket* no, no, no! *sighs again and walks away* don't do it again or the cards are taken away!

geez, its hard to get him to listen to me sometimes.... *shakes her head* oh well.

Anne< an interesting tale dear.... hehehehe

well, I'm getting nasty looks from the librarian... *looks over her shoulder in fear* see you all later!

*runs out*

cherry blossom
WI, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:59:44 AM
IP: wbcml.hnet.net

Gside> Actually, the Nazis, like Buchanan, have a number of extreme Left and Right-wing (by our definition of right-wing) stances. While the extremes of racism and nationalism could be considered right-wing, the Nazis were also into gun control that would make Senator Schumer blink as well as National Health Care and they were posters boys fro Big Government. Suprisingly, Communists would be better apt as far-right, because their system is based on a very primitive economic model. On an even more unusual note, Marx and Hegel were both prodigies of Jean Jacques Rosseau, the embodiement of every negative stereotype the United States has about France. My cat especially despises Rosseau :)

As for right and left, our definitions of it have shifted from the original meanings. My views woudl eb best described as Classically Liberal, yet by today's standards I could hardly be regarded as Liberal, unless you're Alan Keyes :)

Anne> Yep, that was bad, but where have you been for the last few days.

Austria> Austria's main industry is tourism. Let's see how long this guy will last in Office. I think it's time to bring back the Hapsburgs :)

Wilek> $All the powers of the catholci schoolgirl scouts are supernatural and they are mentioned in some prophecy dating back to when St. Peter was Pope, at least in RP anyway.$

Deuce> Which part was your dream? Almost being Jennifer Love Hewitt's love slave, or being sexually atatcked, but in a chaste way, by five horny virgin warriors :)

Janine> Ever considered the wonderful world of Catholic education :) At De La Salle, our new principal used to run the Special Eductaion program.

**chibi-Alan Greenspan comes in to give Financial advice to the CR, but some SEC goon gags him**


Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 10:58:25 AM
IP: 141.164.133.102

Duece> I`m in compleat acordance with your WWF coments! They`re all so anying but the Rock of all ppl! He`s the loudest most self centered anoying being in the busness!!! And to mix that up with Voyeyer? Well, I watch it, tho I`m not and obsessed fan, but my friend is gonn a freak! But think, the series can only go up from there, cant it?

Welik> Oh, and no endangering the ecosystem either!!!...And no dobble parking!!! :P Besides that, have fun!!!

Alex> Well, well well, a bonny mess you`ve gotten yourself into now lass! Ofcorse you know the great puckster (even in his chibi form) does not play for small wagers!Well, that said, have fun!

Common Brookie, lets go hang gliding, kay?

(toodles!!! )
Caliope
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 08:13:50 AM
IP: 136.145.83.126

*watches chibi-puck run over to a table and pull out a deck of cards*
*grabs a chair and sits next to chibi-Puck*
Well.... this might be fun! ^_^
Come on Cali! and bring Chibi-Brook with u! :P

(a little note here... I don;t know the first thing about poker.. but I'm sure Pucky wont be mean w/ me :P..... right?..... Right?....... *looks at chibi-Pucks evil grin*
Oh my God..... :P

CALI!!!! Chibi-Brook!!..... HEEEEEELP!!!
^_^

Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 08:03:46 AM
IP: 136.145.83.241

Warpmind-Yeah I guess babbling is a rather easy language...after you get past all that "intelligent conversation" stuff.


See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 01:59:58 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Hiya, Mecord! Welcome to our world. Kindly turn over your sanity to the local authorites and come on in!
Infinity
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 01:47:55 AM
IP: nltc-57-13.nltc.net

**Poetry Warning**

The door creaking
My gaze seeping
Into the gargoyle room
And what I see
It cannot be
It surely must spell my doom

Dieties, monsters, and things unseen
A battle the like there has never been
Upon the face of this world
But of my world this is not I discern
This battle is of word I am quick to learn
Their sword is the knowledge unfurled

Do I dare enter
And join with my banter
Would they throw me out in shame
If what I write
Should give insight
Is it worth entering the game

Though I fear to be hated
I step in quite elated
To be scorned at you pleasure
I hope to see you around
With my confidence rebound
I step on a bee for good measure

**end poetry**




Mecord: The New and Uneasy
Providence, Ut, USA
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 01:11:26 AM
IP: usr53.mtwest.net

Anne> Joke: I've heard it before (slightly different), and think the punchline works better if it's a beta/demo version.

Green Baron> <<Nazis were Socialists>>: That is wat they called themselves, but from a purely classifying point of view aren't socialists supposed to be closely related to the far left?

Well wishes to all who need them (Jannie, Bengali...).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:59:39 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

hey everyone. i'm sorry i haven't written in a while, but i'm tired. really tired. i want to got to sleep, but i have to read the scarlett letter. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! goodnight..sleep......i....neeeeeeeeddd......sleeeeeep.....

SOROW: you are the only reason for me to even get out of the bed anymore. i love you with all my heart and soul.
JOE BOXER
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:57:03 PM
IP: spider-te014.proxy.aol.com

Hi all! :)

I know I've been gone a long time, but we've been busy. I'll catch up soon but first I just had to pass this along. I know that our honorary Delphi usually passes the jokes but my stepgrandma gave this to us a few days ago! Be forwarned: it's somewhat a groaner!

<<Bill Gates died in a car accident. He found himself being sized up by God. "Well, Bill, I'm really confused on this call. I'm not sure whether to send you to heaven or hell. After all, you enormously helped society by putting a computer in almost every home in the world and yet you created that ghastly Windows 95. I'm going to do something I've never done before. In your case, I'm going to let you decide on where you want to go!"
Bill Gates replied, "Well, thanks, God, but what's the difference between the two?"
God said, "I'm going to let you visit both places briefly if it will help you make a decision."
"Fine, but where should I go first?"
God said, "I'm going to leave that up to you."
Bill said, "OK, then, let's try hell first." So Bill went to hell first. It was a beautiful, clean, sandy beach with clear waters. There were thousands of beautiful women running around, playing in the water, laughing and frolicking about. The sun was shining and the temperature was perfect. Bill was very pleased. "This is great!" he told God. "If this is hell, I REALLY want to see heaven!"
"Fine," said God and off they went. Heaven was a high place in the clouds, with angels drifting about playing harps and singing. It was nice but not as enticing as hell.
Bill thought for a quick minute and rendered his decision. "Hmm, I think I prefer hell," he told God.
"Fine," retorted God, "if you desire."
So Bill Gates went to hell. Two weeks later, God decided to check up on the late billionaire to see how he was doing in hell. When God arrived in hell, he found Bill shackled to a wall, screaming amongst the flames in a dark cave. He was being burned and tortured by demons. "How is everything going, Bill?" God asked.
Bill responded, his voice filled with anguish and disappointment, "This is awful, this is not what I expected. I can't believe this happened. What happened to that other place with the beaches and the beautiful women playing in the water?"
God says........."That was a screen saver.">>

*Groans* Sorry, I had to share that one...
Well, goodnight all! :)
Anne
MN, USA
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:50:24 PM
IP: 204-246-241-55.nas2.apv.gblx.net

*walks in with smoldering fur* Hey all. Just got done rewiring a couple fencing blades. Had to use a blowtorch to heat one of the blades enough to get the glue and wire to come off. You can *smell* the result. Anyway.

Bengali:Ouch. Glad you are ok.

Katara:I think I am just going to let it all go grey, then dye it a good red (with a name like Liam O'Shea, people sort of expect we to have red hair...hm)

Jannie: Now I understand my Highschool Fencing Coach's (he also teaches German classes) response to me when i said maybe i would become a teacher and teach programming in highschools (in order to start and coach a team of my own). He said it was a bad idea and started this funny little twitch...McD's: Been there, done that, would NOT recommend it. That place is worse than any parent you could ever face.

Delphi:: >> Better to be safe than.............punch a 5th grader. Where was that when _I_ was in first grade? (Ok, so not only did my sister get all the looks and smarts, she got all the common sense, too)

Doug: *Laughs and shows Doug the 30+ Pikachu sillouettes on the stalk of his cherished HK PSG-1*

Austira: Anyone got a spare Neutron bomb they need to detonate? i know this great place in Europe....

*heads towards his ususal corner and falls quickly into a (Hopefully) blissful, nightmare free sleep*
Shade and sweet water, all

Archwolf - [Archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Cleveland, OH, USA
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:38:35 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

ps: it's titled _Starting Over_ in the _Stitched Time_ Saga.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:29:57 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

I've just posted a story set during the first episode of Gargoyles....a What If.

can anyone offer any answers as to what Goliath would do?

thanks.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:29:04 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Doug>> PokeGone..LOL As the resident league PokeMom, I'm half tempted to order a shirt and wear it a league session. Would really freak out a lot of little kids..BWAHAHAHAHA!

Jannie>..whatever you do... DON'T apply for telemarking or shopping mall surveyer. LOL


Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:18:31 PM
IP: 98adee10.ipt.aol.com

Christine: Yep, I also like John Kovalic. He's my second favorite gamer cartoon artist (first is Jolly Blackburn of Knights of the Dinner Table). I have the Sith Park T-shirt too. :) Thanks for your comment on the link.

More later.
Doug
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:12:23 PM
IP: pool-209-138-61-35.dlls.grid.net

Doug > so you like John Kovalic too? I love that guy ... just ordered his Sith Park shirt ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:01:10 PM
IP: krldb107-15.splitrock.net

Caliope> <<Well, your welcome to come on over and experiment but please do not eliminate the residents, thery`re quite harmless and quite entertaining!¨:P>> Ah good. Hm...much of the lab equipment and construction materials won't fit through this portal...<steps through and leaves an interplexing subspace beacon in a concealed location> There, now my ships should be able to find the place. ^_^

Mandolin> <<English Sem is starting to scare me; I've got 85 pages to read in the next two hours. Think I can do it? No, me neither.>> ACK. Is there anyone handy you can kill for this?

Bengali> Bees> ACK. Sorry to hear this; that had to *hurt*. :( Wonder if there's any way to blame Sli Sludge for this...<<In Greek mythology, Hades was not the villian, Hercules mother was, she tried to kill Hercules. And there was no way that Hades ever could have overpowered the rest of the Olympians and Gods with just a few of the Titans.>> True, but if it had stayed very faithful to the mythology, no parent in their right mind would have allowed their child to see it (I think the 'real' Hercules killed his wife and children?). ;) <<I agree the A Bugs life was bad, I saw it once and almost puked from the lack of intelligence in it, I hate the way Disney saturates everything with sugary sweetness.>> Yup. The only thing A Bug's Life really has going for it is the admittedly stunning animation (and perhaps the blooper reels). Ever see Antz? It's a movie along vaguely similar lines, but it's a great deal darker, funnier in a way, and *far* more intelligent (and to be perfectly honest, I prefer Dreamworks' style to Pixar's).

Aaron> <<Yes, but we don't know if she has the outfit.>> I was thinking she could borrow Crzy's. ;) <<I'm not sure how Marina would react to being rescued by Jerico.>> Come to think of it... o_o'

$Green Baron> That was the funniest RP I've seen in a while. ;) I wonder, is the girls' Virginity Alarm a cybernetic function, or is of a supernatural nature?$

Delphi> <<When the blind leadeth the blind...get out of the way>> O_O ROTFL!!! :D

Deuce> <<I'm back for good. And single, too: Catherine and I have decided to end our romantic relationship in favour of something less life-threatening (platonic friendship), being 1,000 miles apart and all that.>> Ack...it's great that you're back, but...<sigh> It's always hard to end a relationship. :( (At least you're still friends...)

Jannie> Stupid parents> Ack. I imagine it must take all your self-control sometimes to refrain from punching a hole in someone's torso, ripping out an internal organ, and nailing it to your wall as a warning to others...
Wilek Nereus
Monday, February 7, 2000 10:46:43 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Bengali-- OUCH!!! Glad your Ok

Aaron- hey there roomie

Jannie-- Hugz to you sister regarding the work situation- hang in there..

Duece-- regarding voyager story-- that has to be the worst thing I have ever heard...*Ack!!!*
jenna
Monday, February 7, 2000 10:37:46 PM
IP: ppp162-005.firstnethou.com

<Infinity whips out her pulse rifle and without mercy empties it into the remains of the beehive. When the smoke clears nothing is left but a few smears of royal jelly and wax, which melts and disappears.>
Hope that helped ease the pain, Bengali. Hang in there.
Infinity
Monday, February 7, 2000 10:34:26 PM
IP: nltc-57-13.nltc.net

*walks in*
well, I figured it would be better to stay caught up on the room seeing as I don't know when I'll be able to get back :P

Jannie< umm... as far as McD's goes... DON'T apply there!!!! NOTHING could be as bad as that place... *g* *hugs* but I do hope that you don't get yelled at...

Delphi< cute stories!!!

*disappears*
cherry blossom
WI, USA
Monday, February 7, 2000 10:32:48 PM
IP: spider-tf014.proxy.aol.com

Thank ya'll for your well wishes and kind words. *hugs*

***RANT***
Well, I got a "summons" to appear in the office conference room this morning. I entered to find irrate parents, the principal, a 3rd grade teacher and a boy named, Jay. This is what happened Friday during lunch recess that I'm on duty for:
Girls come running up to me telling me that a little boy is saying nasty things. I asked who it was and it was the boy from my class. I called him over...
Jan: Billy, are you saying nasty words?
Billy: yes
Jan: what are you saying?
Billy: I'm a f**ker and I'm a b**ch.
Jan: *gasps* why are you saying these things??
Billy: b'cause those boys told me to.
(Billy is only 6 yrs old and these boys are in 3rd grade)
I call over the boys and asked them privately:
First 3 boys' response
Did you say that? no
Do you talk like that at home? no (because they were involve in the group)
Why do you talk like that school? I didn't say it, Jay did.
Jay's response:
Did you say it? no
Do you talk like that at home? no
Why do you talk like that at school? well, the others were saying it too.
O_O do you see some admission of guilt here? I do! His teacher comes out to pick them up, I relay what has happened. His mom is called that afternoon. She gets on the phone with other moms in the neighborhood and even Jay's best friend says that Jay said this - but Jay continues to deny it. So...I'm called in this morning. Jay tells them that I called him a liar. *blinks* When the principal asks him to tell about when I called him a liar, he can't answer that.
Mom redirects the attention from her son and begans trying to lynch me saying that I'm a "screamer" and that we don't watch the kids properly, etc. I stated that with anywhere from 60 - 90 kids out there in a small area at a time - it's very loud out there and I must raise my voice in order to be heard... and I have a loud voice that carries. *shrugs* It took everything that I had to remain in my chair and not walk out of that room. Everyone that heard him say those things have said that. He is the ONLY one who has said that he didn't... and yet the parents still believed him and tried to fry me instead. *shakes head*
I really hate my job.... no.. I hate parents. I hate stupid, thick headed, arrogant parents. She especially thought that since she was the PTO president.. (whoopee) that she could get me fired on the spot.
The principal left the building right after this, so I don't know if I'll be called into her office tomorrow to take the other side of my butt off or not.
I wonder if McDonald's is hiring.... it's got to be better than this! At least I can spit in their hamburger or something.. *L* JUST KIDDING!!!
***END RANT***
sorry guys.. had to get it off of my chest.

good news though! I will be getting ToonDisney in March!! Yippee!!! I'll be able to watch Gargoyles =)

Begali> ouchies!! sorry to hear that and that can be so potientially dangerous! I'm glad it wasn't any worse than it turned out to be... and it sounds bad enough.... eesh!!!
Jannie
Monday, February 7, 2000 10:11:47 PM
IP: 168-171-196-248.academicplanet.com

Delphi> LOL at those jokes! Kids are so cute....
Deuce
Monday, February 7, 2000 10:00:56 PM
IP: pppa102.connect.ab.ca

** walks in, looks around **

Good, I totally avoided the Religious Debate. Thank Whoever. (Heheheheh....) Of course, now I'm going to annoy even more people and start another huge debate... my apologies to anyone affected and whomever I offend here:

For everybody who thought ST: Voyager couldn't sink any lower, here's the synopsis of the next episode from paramount.com:

"Astronomically popular World Wrestling Federation superstar 'The Rock' guest stars when Seven of Nine is forced into a gladiator arena to kill or be killed."

Now, let me first say that I hate wrestling, so this will be biased. I think that it's as sick as pornography, a lower form of entertainment than Teletubbies, and further proof that our society is reverting to the days of feeding Christians to the lions and pitting prisoners in to-the-death matches for the delight of the masses. Still... mixing Star Trek and wrestling? WHO THE HELL CAME UP WITH THIS?!?! Even if I was a fan of whatever-the-hell they're calling the Roman Colossium(sp) these days, I would be disgusted by this. Star Trek + wrestling don't mix. They appeal to totally differen aspects of the entertainment spectrum. Thus, I've given up on Voyager. Completely. **shrugs** My apologies if you like either programme.

Green Baron> ["This is proof I need to start dating again"] Oh. Yeah... you could say that. ;-) I just want to know how you know what I've been dreaming for the past 3 months....

Lone Gunmen show: Am I the only one who's going to love this show? It sounds awesome!

Warpmind> ["...if you have less than .3 % blood alcohol before the party, it's a failure."] Unless that was a mistake and you meant AFTER the party, it makes house parties I've been to look tame. (We only got up to, what, 0.19? Something like that.)

X-Files: Anybody want to EM me a quick rundown? My mom rented "Meet Joe Black" last night and I didn't get to tape it. **grumble**

And hey, a little personal news: I'm back for good. And single, too: Catherine and I have decided to end our romantic relationship in favour of something less life-threatening (platonic friendship), being 1,000 miles apart and all that. Thought y'all should know.

** Deuce gives an odd kind of smile, waves, and leaves **
Deuce - [royallypissedoff@curtain.cjb.net]
Monday, February 7, 2000 09:58:56 PM
IP: pppa102.connect.ab.ca

Good Eve everyone,
job app.>>funny how these things travel around isn't it?

Jannie>>hope your daughter does well when she moves, it would be wonderful for her and you.

Bengali(sp?)>>hope your doing better!

WARNING WORK RANT***************
Well it looks like no addition for our gardenshop until July-too late for this season, but I will be happy if they can just get it done this year. The details have been worked out with the city and it looks like the permits will go through. It really ticked me off tho, that they left it sit till the last minute, now it is too late to get the fixtures and building (it is prefabed, and construction crew to our store in time for this growing season. It just makes you wonder how those people manage to get anything done, they could have worked these problems out during last summer and fall.
Well, I sure hope they can get it together for this summer, we need that space. Over half of my summer stock is going to be "split" from the gardenshop and put in our seasonal area at the front of the store. Talk about a nightmare...Hello, I need a flower pot for these flowers I'm buying, Where are they? Oh there at the front of the store just go inside take a left the a right then go over three isles.....
I'm not looking forward to it
***************************************

Okay I need some humor right about now so let me see what i can find.......

:>> A first grade teacher collected well known proverbs. She gave each child in her class the first half of a proverb and asked them to come up with the remainder of the proverb. Their insight may surprise you.

: >> Better to be safe than.............punch a 5th grader
: >> Strike while the ........................bug is close
: >> It's always darkest before................Daylight Savings Time
: >> Never underestimate the power of..........termites
: >> You can lead a horse to water but.........how?
: >> Don't bite the hand that..................looks dirty
: >> No news is................................impossible
: >> A miss is as good as a....................Mr.
: >> You can't teach an old dog new............math
: >> If you lie down with dogs, you'll.........stink in the morning
: >> Love all, trust...........................me
: >> The pen is mightier than the..............pigs
: >> An idle mind is...........................the best way to relax
: >> Where there's smoke there's...............pollution
: >> Happy the bride who.......................gets all the presents
: >> A penny saved is..........................not much
: >> Two's company, three's....................the Musketeers
: >> Don't put off till tomorrow what..........you put on to go to bed
: >> Laugh and the whole world laughs with you, cry and..........................you have to blow your nose
: >> None are so blind as....................Stevie Wonder
: >> Children should be seen and not...........spanked or grounded
: >> If at first you don't succeed.............get new batteries
: >> You get out of something what you.........see pictured on the box
: >> When the blind leadeth the blind..........get out of the way
: >>
: >> And the favorite...
: >>
: >> Better late than..........................pregnant

catch you all next time!
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Monday, February 7, 2000 09:50:49 PM
IP: twin56tt.magiclink.com

Any Pokemon Haters in here? <covers ears in preparation for screams of assent that don't come> Well, for those of you who kept silent, I present the link below. :)
Doug
Monday, February 7, 2000 09:43:03 PM
IP: pool-209-138-212-187.dlls.grid.net

on INNOCENCE: great story!

notes: i thought that Freyja was Freya, and the huge sword drawn from the scabbard made me think of Tyr.

okay, i'll stop rambling.

GREAT STORY!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 09:05:28 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*screams excitedly* YEAH!!! I FINALLY got to read through posts and I have time to type a response! *grins widely* I've been absent for a couple of weeks due to busyness...sowwy...

Bengali< ouch!! *hugs* I hope they heal fast!!

New Austrian Leader< okay umm... doesn't this sound a little um...racist? is this really good to have as a LEADER for a country!?! *sighs*

Mandi< well wishes on all your school work especially your English :)

Katara< dying hair< my mom has now been dying her hair blonde for the past four years ;) she seems to think that the grey shows....

Pitch Black< hmm... maybe I should find out more about this! I'm quite sick of Disney movies...

on Disney movies... well, there are soooo many things that I could comment on about those movies that I won't even get started! some of them are okay and others are just.. well, not worth the money that was put into them.

Sevarius< congratulations on getting a dog! we got one a couple of months ago.. I hope he has as much love to give you as ours does to us :)

*watches chibi-puck run over to a table and pull out a deck of cards* hehe poker again?? *looks around* well, anyone want to join him have fun trying to best him :P

*disappears*

cherry blossom
WI, USA
Monday, February 7, 2000 09:01:33 PM
IP: spider-wo084.proxy.aol.com

Jannie> I'm very glad for you.
Bengali> That's gotta hurt. My condolences.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, February 7, 2000 08:55:43 PM
IP: dll2a030-1233.splitrock.net

RP WARNING!!!
**As Jennifer Love Hewitt continues to ravage the Green Baron (much to his delight), the Catholci schoolgirl scouts take out their rosaries and aim blue laser beams at Love, which disintergrates her, just before she is able to fully conquer the Baron, leaving him and the scouts confused.

"What the Hell just happened?"
"Uh! I don't know. Are you okay?"
"Aside from the obvious, I'm fine. My bed sheets have a nice scorch mark."
Attila saunters in at that moment.
"Girls, that was your virginity alarm. I was assigned by His Emminence Cardinal O'Connor to test that alarm."
"Virginity Alarm? Wasn't that.."
"Yep. You five are supposed to guard the Green Baron's virginity and keep him pure. Youc na however continue to kiss him, touch him, and flirt with him, as you have been doing throughout various times in the night."
All five girls blush at that revelation, then start whistling.
"So basically you put some device on love to test soem spiritual gift, only to guarantee no more sequels to I Know What you Did Last Summer."
"Yes....yeooowh!!" Attila says as GB pushes a lever that catpults him into the pool.

"Well, uh!!! I hope you're not too upset GB," Brigitte says a little nervously.
"Well, you can still flirt right, and...."
The girls decide to mauyl him then, but in a chaste way :)**
END RP!!!!

This is proof I need to start dating again :)

Doug and Kit> $I hope you like :)$

Mara> Do I win any awards?

Gaeriel> I remember you.

Aystria> This truly saddens me. Granted, I wonder why no one showed any distress over Germany's Socialist Demcorat Party taking over (The Nazis were Socialists, too) or Finance Minister Red Oskar increasing the money supply, but that's another issue.

The Freedom Party once again uses a misnomer for its name, like the Students for a Democratic Society.

In the mid eighteenth century, Aystria's Liberal (a predecessor for Libertarianism) Party was in charge. They were cenetred around more rights for the Jewish citizens in Austira (my grandmotehr's amiden name Semler was originally an Austrian Jewish name, though her father was a German Catholic, so I can definitely appreciate that), along with laissez-faire capitalism and major deregaulation. Later, the peasants got more powerful and the Socilaist party took over, which led to the Nazis rise and probably inspired Hitler.

Additionally, teh Austrian theory of Economics is based around teh freedom of laisex-faire capitalism,a nd now Austria is reduced to this. Woe is that day. Let's hope for a resurgence of a Liberty Party in Austria.

Interracial Relationships> I support them fully. In fact, I think we should encourage them in teh US. It will be a good step in uniting America and reversing teh Blaknization taht is appearant in some areas. Perosnally, I'm not opposed to giving tax credits for interracial marriages, but I don't think Government should intrude into such a persoanl relationship like that.

But to a more serious point, I will never understand why such opposition still exists, especially in SC, where Strom Thurmond probably has lots of illegitame children who are black. Centuries ago, my family were Scottish nobles, and tehre were too types. One married cousins. The otehrs married French noble ladies. My family chose the latter, and I am very greatful for that. I sthere really any difference between couples who are from different ethnicities (Celts and Germanics) than couples with different pigments?

Jewel> Actually, Mike Foster bought the list form Duke to keep other candiates form getting it when he ran for Governor. He never used it, but he didn't reprot it as a campaign expense and was secretive about it (can you blame him). When it was brough to light, he admitted it and why he covered it up, which was very un-Louisianian of him :)
All he did was take a dangerous group out of circulation.

Bob Jones> That heathen called Pope John Paul II the anti-Christ. Additionally, my ex-girlfriend's homeschooling lessons came from his University. It's time to call a Crusdae on his ass!!

SOROW> I was bad. I need a spanking :)

Warpmind and Coyote> Hatch is form Utah. The polygamy comment was a joke. Think about it :)

Gside> I just told you taht comment about PC. I think the comment was addressed to Samira.

Rodlox> At least, the Captain didn't call Hakon a squarehead :)

Kaioto> Have you heard about Carla Howell

Cassandra> WB, fellow Louisianian.

Bengali> ::Hugs:: I know it may not maean as much to you, but I'll include a fast healing for you among my rosary intentions.

Aaron> Have you seen the movie Fatherland?

Now, I'm off to home. Bye Bye
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, February 7, 2000 08:41:50 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Kyryn: thank you...i'll read it now...

Kyryn: ps: how do you pronounce that?
Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 08:28:38 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

***Kyryn peers in from work***

Rodlox, click my name for the link to 'Innocence' from Season 1 of Dark Ages. It addresses the Vikings in a slightly different light.

****Kyryn heads home to fix the link for the current episode*****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, February 7, 2000 08:18:34 PM
IP: 207.115.148.178

Mr Jenson: I apologize for my outburst. Yes, I know that time was a critical factor, as well as for later eps. The worrying factor of no dissenting voices in Hakon's {soiunds Saxon} raiding party, I attribute to the Viking habit of bringing just 'your' friends and those of like-mind.

This may or may not be answered {and i won't be [overly] upset/angry if it's not}....but will we be seeing some good Vikings during any of the Gargoyles serieses? {is that the proper plural form?}.

thank you.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 08:12:23 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

TGS Episode: Well, I have to say that was one of the best TGS stories I have read in a while. May all episodes be this good!

Bengali: Ow... thats why I hate bees!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, February 7, 2000 08:12:11 PM
IP: t1-47.visitus.net

News From MSN:

"Fox has green-lighted a spinoff based on the show's beloved, dorky Lone Gunmen.

"The network is banking on the proven appeal of Byers, Frohike and Langley, the Mulder-worhsipping Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists played by Bruce Harwood, Tom Braidwood and Dean Haglund, to bring it a much-needed ratings boost.

"Also on board is X-Files creator Chris Carter, who's signed on to produce the pilot for next fall. According to the Hollywood Reporter, the show is being planned as a light drama with plenty of comedy-"think Mission Impossible for computer geeks."

I just upgraded my Video RAM from 1 to 4 Megabytes! Now I no longer need to minimize my windows in order to get a better resolution on my porn! ... Uh, Gee... I don't why I'm telling you this.
Tim P.
Monday, February 7, 2000 08:09:07 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

RODLOX - I think that you should bear in mind that they didn't really have room to show the more civilized side of the Vikings, particularly given that the bulk of the series was to be set in modern times. Perhaps if Greg Weisman had gotten to do the "Dark Ages" spin-off, we'd have seen some more favorable or balanced interpretations of the Vikings. And Hakon and his followers being villainous raiders was integral to the plotline in "Awakening".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, February 7, 2000 07:17:42 PM
IP: 216.87.46.116.dialup-stl.primary.net

WarpedMind: okay, so maybe 'decadent' was the wrong word. {although it ticked me off to hear the viking in charge of attacking Wyvern say "bah, makes me glad i can't read"}. that portrayal angered me in the long run; reason: they didn't show Vikings in any role other than as illiterate looters and sackers.

If the show'd tried that approach with a modern group {blacks as the only criminals, asians as hyper-intelectual nerds, etc}, then who'd watch it? the show would be boycotted as racist.

now, i'm not saying that the Vikings themselves didn't have their illiterate members, because such people are in every society. and i'm not saying that the Vikings didn't consider themselves superior to other people. {though from what i've read, it was more a superiority over other cultures, rather than over other races}.

UnOfficial Rant Mode Off.

WarpedMind: to reiterate: it wasn't the biological part that confused - it was the time itself. sorry [for any confusion].

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 07:08:52 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

X-Files> For a change I actually watched the show. Interesting developments. I noticed one thing in paticular about this show: The guy who ran Santaland, didn't he also play the Alligator guy in the episode set in the circus town?

Pitch Black> Looks interseting enough, but I've been kinda burnt out on sci-fi horror movies of recent. There hasn't been a decent one come along in quite a while. Last one I bothered to see was Event Horizon and I regretted wasting those two hours of my life.
Skippy the Klingon
Monday, February 7, 2000 06:49:24 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-29.ultravision.net

Aaron wanders in. Hyena-chan leaps off his shoulder and tackles Xellos-kun, giving him a big kiss.

Hyean-chan then proudly shows off her new gift, a pair of monomolecular-edged sawblades to replace the old ones in her arms. Xellos looks puzzled. His gift shouldn't have arrived yet, and besides, it was much more intimate.

"But if you didn't send them, who did?"

Somewhere, someone is laughing maniacally.

But anyway...

Had a strange weekend. Spent all of saturday at a Magic tournament, playing a game I swore I was out of for good. Spent five rounds getting my butt kicked, before I was rescued and taken to dinner by a very nice goth woman I know. Then I spent sunday working at the comic book store again.

jewel> I hate doing this, because it always makes me look like a total @$$hole, but the Waffen-SS were special forces guys, like the SEALS or Green Berets. The Gestapo and the guys who ran the concentration camps were different branches. I'm not saying they didn't do some bad things, and didn't serve an evil master... Hell, I don't know what I'm trying to say at this point. Just passing along some history, I guess.

jewel/SJ> Dennis said some uncomplimentary things about mormons during the '98 finals, and was fined fifty grand by the league in blatent disregard of the first ammendment. Besides, Sir Charles has said worse things, and he'd always just smile and say "Ah was viciously misquoted and taken out of context."

Gside> Well, Dennis is 38. I'd say that'd make him old school, if not old guard.

SOROW> Hope you feel better soon.

Wilek><<Would you have Crzy take the stand in full costume to defend herself?>> Wouldn't it be cool if we could hire Marina Sirtis for that? :)>> Yes, but we don't know if she has the outfit. We know Crzy does. Besides, I'm not sure how Marina would react to being rescued by Jerico.

Warpmind><<Toss in Vince Kozlowski, and you've got total chaos... ;)>>Well, I wouldn't include Koz in this operation for three reasons.

1. Pistoff would *never* let Koz work with Jerico.
2. Koz can be nasty when he has to be, but I can't see him crashing a courtroom full of innocent people, to rescue Demona from a legitimate criminal proceeding. Now if the Quarrymen were holding the trial... Frank and Jerico have no such qualms.
3. I'm going to G2K as Koz *and* Frank. I'm supposed to be Koz one or two days, and then shave the beard and dye my hair to become Frank. Having two characters I'm supposed to be somewhere at the same time is problamatic, at least live.

Delphi> I've seen that job application somewhere before, only then the last line about swearing everything was true read: "No, but I challenge you to prove otherwise."

Jannie> Best of luck on the daughter front. (And everywhere else too)

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, February 7, 2000 04:50:20 PM
IP: a7x56.iwl.net

Just got out of the hospital, I was walking my stupid dog down a mountain trail at about 6am near where I live and stupid me wasnt watching where I was stupid going and I stepped on a stupid hornets/wasp/bee, something like thats nest and got attacked by the nests residents. I panicked and dropped the dogs leash, she ran off about 20 feet and began to bark at the bees {stupid cowardly dog}. I began to swat at the bees while they were stinging me {stupid huh?} and only made them madder. I tried to run but that was a problem because the nest was stuck to my foot. I began to freak out and dropped to my knees while swatting at the bees and screaming. A good samaritan heard the commotion that I, my dog and the bees were making and came to the rescue, he was also on the trails with his wife and dog and told his wife to stay there and he grabbed me by the arm and planted one foot on the nest and pulled me out of it and got me outa there. His wife held onto my dog while he called an ambulance on his cell phone and led me away from the trails to sidewalk where the ambulance arrived and I was taken to the hospital. I got stung about 40 times all over. He got stung about 5 or 6 times. Once the doctors were finished with me I thanked him and his wife for their help, we talked for about 20 minutes then I took my dog home by cab. I'm covered in bandages right now and am wishing that I had been smart enough to watch where I was going, I didnt see the hive until It was too late. I hate my rotten luck.

Warpmind>Yes, I think I'll drop the subject, I've pushed my luck a little too far.

Wilek>I didnt like Hercules mainly because the story was so messed up, In Greek mythology, Hades was not the villian, Hercules mother was, she tried to kill Hercules. And there was no way that Hades ever could have overpowered the rest of the Olympians and Gods with just a few of the Titans. As for inspector Gadget I just didnt like the way it was made. And I agree the A Bugs life was bad, I saw it once and almost puked from the lack of intelligence in it, I hate the way Disney saturates everything with sugary sweetness. And last, as for Pocahontas, I didnt like the way that Disney messed up the facts, Pocahontas was about 12 when the whole thing happened and she never fell in love with John Smith.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, February 7, 2000 04:27:15 PM
IP: spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com

Hello all!

A couple of really quick questions that I can't seem to find the answers to. When was Xanatos, Fox, Matt Bluestone born? I'm wondering because of the fanfics I'm writing. Thanks a bunch.

Cassandra - [kindra_coates@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 01:14:24 PM
IP: 204.196.57.24

**Mandi is sitting at her computer, with a book called "Falling Into Theory" open in her lap. She glances up and sighs.**

English Sem is starting to scare me; I've got 85 pages to read in the next two hours. Think I can do it? No, me neither.

Pitch Black> The IGN article Rodlox mentioned is a really good one; it's the only article that really gets into Keith David's character. Also, The 11th Hour got an early screening of the film and there's a review up at http://www.the11thhour.com/archives/111999/moviereviews/pitchblack.html for anyone interested. (Note, the staff of this web magazine is all-female, so of course the "drool factor" is noted.)

The official site is linked to my name. It's got a neat opening page, but you'll have to have a fairly new browser to benefit from the interface.

X-Files> Darn it! I missed it because I was desperately trying to plow through my Sem reading!

Speaking of which, I'd better get cracking on that. I hope to God Dr. K doesn't expect us to remember exactly who said what for each separate essay (there are 16 in total assigned). *gulp* Wish me luck. :)
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 12:42:07 PM
IP: 144.175.18.81

****Kyryn walks in with a bazooka and shoots DC***

Apologies for the delays, gentlebeings. The main link on the current episode page has not yet been updated due to technical difficulties (glares at the smoking remains of DC); however, the new story is available by going to the links page for Season 2 of Dark Ages or clicking on my name for the link.


Where does love lead....

The Wedding, pt.2: Destined Hearts

Written by Jonathan "Entity' Cotleur and Shauntell Holm

Original Artwork by Shauntell Holm and Noel Leas

***Kyryn turns and leaves***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, February 7, 2000 11:37:05 AM
IP: 207.115.148.178

*Warpmind shimmers in.*
Bengali: No bible? Oh, well, you'll probably find one sometime. And by the way, if you think you managed to offend me by your agression toward Christianity... you're wrong. I happen to be quite liberal with religious questions myself, although I do work for the church. But let's drop the whole debate, eh? :)

Rodlox: Yeah, yeah, calm down. That line has gotten me a question or two already, so I had recently checked up on that stuff. (Memo to self: in the future, check such biological details BEFORE you write.) Oh, and one more thing: I reckon the age of the vikings to have been from around 500AD to around 1000AD. And how to you percieve the vikings in Gargoyles as decadent? I don't. And I don't take offense from the comparison of present-day Norway and the Vikings. I meant it as a half joke, myself. (Visit a Norwegian vorspiel, and you might understand what I mean - if you have less than .3 % blood alcohol before the party, it's a failure.)

*Warpmind frowns.* Pitch Black? What kind of movie is that? Hmmm... must find out.

Wilek: Now, I can agree with you on storing the bombs as backup.

Jaden: Hey, babble is a fairly simple language to learn. It is more international than English, after all.

I'd comment on the situation in Austria, but I still haven't memorized all the rude words in the dictionary.

Later, friends.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, February 7, 2000 07:03:06 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

* Taning on her island and observing the natives*

Yes, Alex, quite a fine specimen, yummmy you might say! They not only look good, but sound good too (aka never put foot in their mouths and no regular guy lame ass pick-up lines!) As you know, that type does not (too my knowledg exist :P ) I had them made especialy for the ocation! Thoses cloning labs and genetic egeniers are finaly coming in handy! :P

Welik> Well, your welcome to come on over and experiment but please do not eliminate the residents, thery`re quite harmless and quite entertaining!¨:P

Well, I gotta scoot! See ya guys!

Caliope
Monday, February 7, 2000 07:01:16 AM
IP: 136.145.83.126

*is sitting on the ice cream parlor having a Black Cow with her precious Chibi-Brooklyn*
Good going baby! Eat it all up! :)

PITCH_BLACK > I see lots of people are exited :)
However, aside from the actor featuring in it... what exctly is the movie about?! :P

*grabs her chibi Brook*
Come on baby... time to hit those waves! :P
Ja ne!
Alex Destine
Monday, February 7, 2000 06:24:13 AM
IP: 136.145.83.126

Just a quick post before bed.

Warpmind-Ah a babbly speaker-I'm well versed in the language myself; self-taught of course, sometimes it just seems to come naturally to me.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Monday, February 7, 2000 02:50:28 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Sorry for double post folks, but I couldn't go to bed without passing this on...

Rodlox> Thanks for alerting us to the link for Pitch Black. I found something else just as interesting at that site. I followed a few links and found reviews on StarShip Troopers, one of the lastest projects that Greg has been involved in. They review "Liquid Dreams" this week, which is one of the episodes that Greg wrote. They give the episode a 4 out of 5. It also provides links to previously reviewed episodes. I've been following the show from the start and have been very impressed by the show as a whole, and CGI effects especially. This is a show that for me, ranks right up there with Gargoyles in creativity.

*wanders off to find her pile of pillows and snuggle down for a long snooze*
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Monday, February 7, 2000 02:12:27 AM
IP: 98a9d328.ipt.aol.com

SOROW> <<Thank you for thinking about me.>> Least I can do for a clanmate. ^_^

Bengali> <<theses dumb "fad" movies like Hercules and Inspector Gadget?>> I actually liked those two, but a lot of their other recent works are rather annoying (Pocahontas and A Bug's Life fairly pounce to mind).

Jannie> Daughter> That's great! Glad this whole situation is improving. ^_^

Warpmind> <<Enough of these bombs of yours; we want to get a few bugs, not a few countries! ;)>> <evil grin> Very well, then; I'll save them as a last resort. >:)

bunghole> I am Cornholio! :P

SJ> <<I do believe that I read yesterday that one of the remarks by this new Austrian leader was that he was "sick of looking into a baby carriage and seeing some foreign child grinning up at me".>> <shuddeR> I want to know how this psychopath got elected. I mean, don't those people remember what happened the last time a xenophobe of this caliber came into power?
Wilek Nereus
Monday, February 7, 2000 02:00:15 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

13th. Would you all believe I'm still not done moving in? Good night!
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 12:52:57 AM
IP: 144.175.18.81

_PITCH_BLACK_ IS COMING SOON!!!

{can you tell that i'm excited?}.

among the diverse cast&crew in it: Claudia Black of Farscape and Hercules, the guy who did the voice for Iron_Giant, the guy who designed Godzilla, and - http://scifi.ign.com/movies/3592.html

keep in the light - or my relatives will not be held accountable for their actions: they're hungry.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 12:15:59 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Jannie > am happy for you as well, best of luck!

SJ > really, Keith's in "Pitch Black"? Ah, who'm I kidding; we probably won't get to see anything new except The Tigger Movie ... Becca rules the roost far as entertainment goes!

"Damien" > thanks, all, for the feedback! I am going to bring my "Ramblings" up to date soon and will address some of the questions that have come up, as well as making an announcement or two that could create quite a stir. My next projects are stories for the Gargoyles Internet Reunion (must hurry, deadline approaching!!!) and to work on "A King for Hothar," my Sabledrake serial novel.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, February 7, 2000 12:01:47 AM
IP: nas-16-120.seattle.navinet.net

Top 20!

Sevarius Jr>Okay, I think I've really pushed my luck, I'll shut up now.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:52:11 PM
IP: spider-ti041.proxy.aol.com

Greetings Everyone!
Just a quickie~ Greg has posted the results for "ALONE: The Demona Contest" Congratulations to the winner.

Jannie> Glad to hear that things are going better for you with your daughter.

ArchWolf> Grey hairs...ahh poor guy. The easiest way to hide those bad boys it dye your hair blonde. Take it from one who knows. *wink-wink* LOL


Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:41:53 PM
IP: 98aca35f.ipt.aol.com

Sorry, Kaioto, you just had to give us that idea. And seventh!
Doug and Kit
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:37:22 PM
IP: pool-207-205-144-94.dlls.grid.net

<IRON GIANT voice> BANZAI!!!!!!!!!
Kitainia and Doug
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:36:43 PM
IP: pool-207-205-144-94.dlls.grid.net

Banzai!
Toku Kaioto
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:35:03 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

5th
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:32:33 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Top Ten!
Tim P,
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:15:55 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

Top Ten, I think...

RP probably tomorrow, but I'm too tired tonight. The....situation....that begin a short time ago, that has turned my life virtually upside down, still continued on today. I've gone through a lot of crap this weekend.

One good thing came from it all--I got a dog! Well, temporarily, at least. I'll be keeping him for a family member of mine for about a month or so. He's some sort of terrier (I can't tell, there's a thousand damn dog breeds out there), his name is Spanky (hey, I didn't name him), he's an attention hog, and the cute little bugger is curled up on my bed asleep at this very moment. So, even with all the crap I have to deal with right now, something good has happened. The dog will keep me company for the next few days, at any rate.

Austria: I do believe that I read yesterday that one of the remarks by this new Austrian leader was that he was "sick of looking into a baby carriage and seeing some foreign child grinning up at me". Now that's about as creepy as it gets. Xenophobics of the world unite.

Bengali: You and I are alike, cause we both seem to be gluttons for punishment. Please, you've explained why you made your initial comments about religion. I understood where you were coming from. Now you're at it again. I can't claim to speak for all the Christians in the room, but please, I DO NOT want to keep hearing about your problems with the Bible or the church. I don't care about that. That's personal with you. I don't often talk about my own religious beliefs, please don't keep going on and on about how the Bible is evil and Jesus was akin to a murderer or rapist or whatever. It's like me saying "all atheists are going to hell". It's the same damn thing. If you want me (and I suppose the other Christians) to have respect for your point of view, respect my point of view as well.

Pitch Black: This film has possibilities. The only "name" I've seen attached to it is Keith David, but the fx look good, and it's an interesting story. I believe I read in Fangoria that the movie is pretty cool. There's not a whole lot of good movies coming out in the doldrums of winter, but this movie looks like it may be worth a glance.

Jannie: I'm very happy about your daughter returning :) I come from a very dysfunctional family, so it makes me happy to see families that are somewhat broken apart, for whatever reason, getting back together. I wish you the best of luck, and I'm pulling for you :)

***X-FILES REVIEW****
THIS is what X-Files should be about. IMO, this was maybe the best episode I'd seen all season. A solid, mysterious plot, and a lot of drama, with some good acting on Duchovny's part. Making him, essentially, and orphan was a rather interesting and unsuspected move, and was handled quite well. I'm looking very much forward to next week's show.
****END X-FILES REVIEW***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:13:26 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Woo-hoo! Top Ten!!
AotN
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:09:31 PM
IP: fn-39-30.sssnet.com

FIRST!... Maybe second...
Ordell
Sunday, February 6, 2000 11:02:29 PM
IP: ppp-46.ode.cableone.net