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<whimper> The "small problem" came back, and is once again managing to only read what he wants to read...as in, he decided my saying, "You can't use my characters" really means "you can use my characters when you want to, provided you send me drafts." He hasn't yet, but he's planning it. It's looks like I'm going to have to be a little...stronger in my statements to him. As in, "Use *any* of my characters, you maggot-ridden, dung-filled, ebola-carrying bratling snotrag, and I will personally rip out your spleen and feed it to my pet python."

Pope: No offense to any Catholics here, but...
I kinda had issues with him interfering in Italy's politics as well. He's supposed to be a religious figure, not a political one. Cleaning his own house (remember the rash of child-abusing priests a few years back? And how about the fact that there is a significant number of members of the Catholic clergy who have AIDS...gee, wonder how *that* happened...) should be more important than getting involved in Italian politics. Or any politics. I was PO'd when he said the US was wrong for executing that female serial killer Faye Tucker. Whatever. You run your Church, and leave politics and policy to the people elected to theirs...after all, do *our* elected officials tell the Pope how to do a Mass, or try to dictate Chruch policy?

SJ: What, are you saying the Republicans wouldn't have snapped all over the shooting if it could have helped their cause? Politics is politics, and they all are the same. Personally, I *liked* Clinton as a president, and wish to God he was running again, because he's a heckuva lot better than any of the chowderhead morons we've got running now.

<g> Here's a great article from Salon about a certain...Southern paradox. Kinda explains Clinton's "It wasn't really sex" claim about Lewinski... Click on my name.

jewel
Sunday, March 5, 2000 07:41:44 PM
IP: atlnb104-45.splitrock.net

Robby > Well, I voted for Bugs Bunny, since my first choice was not even an option. (Racer X for president, dammit!!!) But Bugs could certainly handle the job. :)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 5, 2000 06:24:02 PM
IP: ctrts2-7.mrs.umn.edu

Everybody! Be sure to vote in the Cartoon Network contest for Pesident! My vote goes to I.M. Weasal, he's by far the most qualified, being ridiculously "perfect" in every field imaginable.... (After him I have to give it Bugs Bunny...)

Vote at
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/feature/ca,paign2000/vote.html

(And tell me who you vote for as well, I'm curious. I shudder to think of Didi or Brak becoming president...)
Robby
Sunday, March 5, 2000 05:55:55 PM
IP: spider-wb011.proxy.aol.com

Sevarius Jr:
<<The Pope: Lately, I've been having some serious feelings about organized religion. You see, I think religion is a beautiful thing. Organized religion, however, has, as of late, begun to greatly disturbed me. Because it's all politics; there is little of what you could call faith in organized religion. I don't mean to be blasphemous to another's religion, but because of those feelings the Pope is sort of disturbing me. Cause I'm viewing him less as this emissary of God and more as just the head of this great big political entity that just happens to be religiously motivated. It just bothers me. Everybody says that we should keep our church separate from our state. How about we keep the goddamn state separate from the church? This is what turns people off religion in general. Instead of following the actual message of God (or whomever), we have dickheads like Pat Robertson going around involving themselves with politics. It's bothering me--the whole politics of organized religion is, in my opinion, destroying that which is holy.>>

I hardly know of any organized religion that isn't got it's hand in politics. That's just been the way of things for years. The problem today is that people that once were fringe extremists now have multi-media empires that allow them to spread their venom everywhere. People like Randall Terry, who founded Operation Rescue but got kicked out when he applauded the murder of doctors performing abortions. He still has a radio talk show and a new organization devoted to opposing equal rights to homosexuals.

Due to the power they weild, it's not suprising to find massive corruption within the ranks. Just recently Randall terry recived a letter of condmenation (the modern equivalent of the Scarlet Letter) from his church for an apparent affair he had. He's up in arms denying the incident. Pat Robertson is known for courting the help of facist dictators in Africa in his diamond mining operations. He even went on his show asking for money to buy a two airplanes that were supposed to be used for his humanitarian efforts, but in fact have been used more for his diamond mining. Just recently on Robertson's 700 Club, a Chinsese goverment representativecame on the show to defend their recent crackdown of the Qin Sho (whatever it's name was) religious movement. This had a lot to do with the fact that Robertson just recently acquired a lucrative TV licensing deal in mainland China. I couldn't help but notice he used o be all fire and brimstone about China, but has recently been much nicer about them. All too typical example of him selling out.

Honsetly, I find it poeticly ironic that all these Protestants, a whole brance of Christianity formed because of the corruption of the Catholic church, are now just as corrupt as the Catholic Church of olden times...

Skippy The Klingon
Sunday, March 5, 2000 09:46:03 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-08.ultravision.net

*stumbles in in her PJs and fuzzy pink slipers*
*yawn*...cant sleep.....if I hadnt slept yesterday, id be sleeping today!!! :P

Gside> ....?! I donno! Such technobable?! At 5 am!!! ...I'll get back to ya on monday, kay? :P

Wilek>...hmmm....very, very intersting...* evil smile and comp screen glow(only ight in the room) make her look eire and....evil :P* I shall await the sighn to attak...:P Oh, and about your "illustrious leader"...pacience, small grass hopper, all justice will come in good time! Why, when YOUR king of the world... ;)

SJ> Gawd! He said that?! I donno, I've taken up the habit of not watching the news too often because of things like that...it unnerves me and makes me have evil impulses to inflict pain upon others...and I dont like being cali the vamp, you know?!

Well, should try and sleep...see ya guys! * ^_^ *
Caliope
Sunday, March 5, 2000 04:12:11 AM
IP: 200.50.3.35

**RP!**

[Miriam and the inhuman form of Marilyn Manson are about to fight it out, when the former recieves a call on her commlock: "It's Rho. A vehicle full of people identifying themselves as the 'A-Team' just destroyed an unidentified machine up here." Manson takes advantage of the distraction to hurl a stream of dark energy at Miriam, who runs around a corner for cover. Miriam: "Agent Rho, can this wait? I've encountered resistance." Rho: "What I'm saying is, either the machine up here or the one down where you are is a decoy, or possibly a backup. The only way to be sure is to destroy both devices." Miriam runs down the corner as she hears the evil entity give chase. Miriam: "Of course. I'm on my way."]

**PAUSE RP!**

Warpmind> <<What do you say? Shall we let Shadowrider get that substantial chunk of Europe?>> Well of course! ^_^ <> Tried the latest versions of ZSNES (I think it's up to .9891)?

Anne> <<Max still poses as leader like Goliath...Pumpkin always fights Max like Demona...Dizzy still has that gritty, Brooklyn-like attitude...Tanner still gorges on food, bumbles brainlessly, and loves to cuddle like Broadway...Georgie, the littlest of them (though he's a teensy bit bigger then his sisters) specializes in opening doors and being the basic mechanic of the cat family like Lexington...Patch has developed brains amazingly like Delilah...and Squeakers, she has that all optimistic Angela-like quality.>> O_o OK, that's creepy...<<sounds a little like Adam on Buffy, yes?>> Um...never seen that show. :} Mistletoe story> Wow...impressive memory (all I remember is some fighting and that there was other mistletoe). ;D

Gside> <<Thanks for the names, but are they free and/or under a couple hundred megs?>> They're less than a meg a piece, I think. As for free...well, I got one with my old computer and one with my MIDI cable (which doesn't work !$@%@!#$%@#); I doubt they're freeware, but I e-mailed Music Magic to a friend and I have yet to encounter MidiSoft stormtroopers asking awkward questions. ;)

Shadowrider> <<"Fleeting encounters" too (Funny, with a lot of quotings).>> Ohh, that one was *hilarious*! I especially liked the bit with the frog puppet (or rather, what it caused)... 8D

Fire Storm> <<1995. On the Discovery Channel show "Beyond 2000" showed a device that attatched to the temple of a quadraplegic and by just thinking he could move the mouse pointer on the screen.>> Wow. Not much, but it's an interesting start. 8)

Jewel> Raise> Congratulations! ^_^ BJU> Wow. I don't think I like their reasons for lifting the ban, but at least they've done it.

SJ> <<The day that it happened, our illustrious leader Bill Clitton....excuse me, CliNton....said something about how the kid got the stolen gun and how we should remember that come election time this fall.....>> <grrrrrrrrrr>...Have we killed this idiot yet? $RP,$ Joyride, whatever?

**RESUME RP!**

[After several minutes running down the dank corridors and dodging the attacks of the demented fallen angel that Manson has become, Miriam arrives at a conglomeration of crystal antennae and warp coils that can't possibly have been part of the Avatar's original blueprints, attached to one of this sector's primary coupling nodes. Miriam stands back and readies her rocket launcher, then is knocked over from behind by one of Manson's fireballs. She leaps to her feet and casts psionic cryokinesis, hitting Manson in the shoulder and harming him significantly. She steps in with her lightsaber to deliver the final blow, but Manson extends a wicked-looking set of claws and flies toward her. She ducks and he overshoots her and blunders into the opposite wall, right next to the machine. Seeing an opportunity, Miriam readies her rocket launcher, launches a Black Shark missile, and hangs on to a nearby conduit. The warhead hits right between Manson and the device, spawning a black hole which rips the device out of the wall with a horrible *scccrrrkkkk*, sucks in a screaming Manson, wrecks the local power grid, and attempts to pull Miriam into it...she manages to hold on long enough to avoid being sucked into oblivion, as the black hole dies out about ten seconds after it forms. Rho contacts her: "Report. We just had a brief power outage in Sector 7 and we've traced it to your area; what's going on down there?" Miriam: "The machine, and the resistance I mentioned, have both been neutralized. I'm returning to the hangar bay."]

**END (and I apologize for such a long RP in such a short post, but oh well)!**
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, March 5, 2000 12:55:02 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

A few things tonight....

Saw the Beach tonight. I don't feel like writing a full review for it, but it was a pretty good film. Not quite what I was expecting; I was expecting a little more "Lord of the Flies" than what I saw on the screen, and I kind of would have liked it to be a little more dark, but still I enjoyed it, Leo factor and all. Hmm....3 outta 4 stars. Check it out before it gets totally dropped from theatres.

The Pope: Lately, I've been having some serious feelings about organized religion. You see, I think religion is a beautiful thing. Organized religion, however, has, as of late, begun to greatly disturbed me. Because it's all politics; there is little of what you could call faith in organized religion. I don't mean to be blasphemous to another's religion, but because of those feelings the Pope is sort of disturbing me. Cause I'm viewing him less as this emissary of God and more as just the head of this great big political entity that just happens to be religiously motivated. It just bothers me. Everybody says that we should keep our church separate from our state. How about we keep the goddamn state separate from the church? This is what turns people off religion in general. Instead of following the actual message of God (or whomever), we have dickheads like Pat Robertson going around involving themselves with politics. It's bothering me--the whole politics of organized religion is, in my opinion, destroying that which is holy.

6 year old shooting: Of course this is a tragedy. Nothing like this should ever happen. But I got pissed off the other day, and I'm still mad about it. The day that it happened, our illustrious leader Bill Clitton....excuse me, CliNton....said something about how the kid got the stolen gun and how we should remember that come election time this fall.....
Christ that pisses me off. Excuse my language, Mr. President, but you F@#$& moron. That's nice; turn this tragedy into a way to shill for the democratic party and the anti-gun platform. A little girl's in the morgue and you want to talk partisan politics. Go molest another intern, you ass.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, March 5, 2000 12:31:52 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Hey all! Quick post, since the last two times I've tried to post, Dis Connect did a number on my modem....

I got a $3K raise at work! Yay!

But, bigger news...the world is truly coming to an end. Remmeber Bob Jones University? They just lifted their ban on interracial dating. They still think it's a tool of the antichrist (I'm not making that up), but they are yielding to political criticism and lifting the ban.
jewel
Sunday, March 5, 2000 12:14:56 AM
IP: atlnb211-02.splitrock.net

Wilek: <mpressive. I wonder how long it'll be before we can control machines with a thought...>
1995. On the Discovery Channel show "Beyond 2000" showed a device that attatched to the temple of a quadraplegic and by just thinking he could move the mouse pointer on the screen.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the future is here. :)
<<blink> I did not know that. Heh...>
Yeah. I remember Lady Mystic saying the the Beast was Robbie Benson, and I remember watching the "Making of KQ6" videos on the CD, so I remembered them saying that Prince Alexander was Robby Benson. (I had no idea at the time WHY they were stressing that. I had no idea who he was.)

Anne: Sounds like you have the Garg kitties!

DEFINATELY one of my favorites. I have written several fan-fiction stories based on this episode alone. (The usual dark stuff that I write. No real happy endings, that sort of thing.)
But here are my faves:
TGS: Equality
Timedancer: Requiem
Pendragon: The Ill Made Knight trilogy
Dark Ages: Hmm... I would have to say Prince of Thieves or Coming of Age

Christine: I was just looking over the titles of the TGS stories...
Why am I not surprised that you would write a story called "The Seduction"? :)

Way to go!

Reverend Attila: <Well, let's see, but I have never been too big a believer.>
Don't get me wrong... most of the time criminal rehab is a crock, especially in cases of murder. But given the childs age there may still be hope that he can be a productive member of society.

Agreed. Like our guns. Guns don't kill people. The lack of teaching people the differences between right and wrong does.

Gside: <"Let's see if I can't get every computer to play the entire dead parrot sketch every time someone presses ctrl...">
Yeah... But I didn't feel like it. I was just pissed that I could access my account info such as Address, Social Security number, Drivers license info...
(Needless to say I changed all of that info the second I realized I could hack the system that easily. I mean, I am by no means a hacker!)
By the dead parrot scetch, I assume you are talking about the famous scene from Monty Python, correct?
<but are they free>
Remember: Free is an odd term. Even if it is retail it may be downloadable, making it free.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 11:15:06 PM
IP: t1-16.visitus.net

Kitainia> <<Hey! Just because I'm a girl doesn't mean I can't appreciate a good plotline, excellent animation, and decently interesting and developing characters.>>: I never said you couldn't.
<<with all its unnecessary and tiresome hentai scenes>>: That's more like it.

Warpmind> <<most of the H-rated scenes are quite tasteful>>: So you say.
<<believe you me, this time, I SHALL use the Save Points...>>: That is a very good vow.

Shadowrider> <<is not "istituting an ethical system">>: Remember, I said, "what he *calls*."
Misquote: !$@#. Eh, water is important in both of them. You do understand how I got it mixed up, right?

Mr. O'nymous> <<the word in ancient greek is 'Outis'>>: Aris, right? Thanks for the ancient greek. When I looked up the translation it said it didn't have an entry for it, so I went with modern. But I don't know, I don't think Outis makes as good of a name in English...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, March 4, 2000 09:22:43 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Christine: Congratulations on the sale to the audios! {that didn't come out well, did it?}.

ps: Christine: STOP APOLOGIZING! {that's my job <G> }.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 05:59:09 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Kanenas> Will I be an awful spoilsport if I say that though 'Kanenas' is indeed the word for 'Nobody' in modern greek, the word in ancient greek is 'Outis'?

"Cyclops, thou askest me of my glorious name, and I will tell it thee; and do thou give me a stranger's gift, even as thou didst promise. Noman is my name, Noman do they call me--my mother and my father, and all my comrades as well."

"Kuklops, eirotais m' onoma kluton, autar ego toi / exereo: su de moi dos xeinion, hos per hupestes. / Outis emoi g' onoma: Outin de me kikleskousi / meter ede pater ed' alloi pantes hetairoi."
Anonymous
Saturday, March 4, 2000 05:55:09 PM
IP: athe530-a118.otenet.gr

< Shadowrider appears in a celestial light [special effects are really cheap nowadays, isn't it?]>

Greetings to everyone. I welcome the newcomers, I'm sure you'll enjoy here.

Gside:> The Pope: I think that eventual riots in Italy are supposed to be Italian Goverment's matter. Then, as far as I'm concerned, asking a foreign government to discriminate people according to religion or sexual preference is not "istituting an ethical system".
Cyclops & Kanenas: Mmm...You convinced me! Kanenas is quite a good name for Nathaniel Essex. Now, who of us is going to write to Marvel Comics to suggest it? ;)
My water shall mingle with your water: I've read Stranger in a Strange Land a few years ago and I found it interesting. Anyway, I was actually quoting from my preferred book of all times: Frank Herbert's "Dune". :)

Wilek:> Thank you for including me in your "project". I'm sure you'll not repent of it. Soon the world will know who really rules! ;)

Anne:> I'm glad someone feels the same of me about human/gargoyle relationships. I'm quite sure of what I said...as I saw the first time Angela on TV, I actually fell in love with her...but now I left it behind...'cause I've fallen in love with Sata! (I hope a certain red gargoyle not to know it, or I'm going to face some troubles...) ;)
TGS:> My favorite episodes? It's difficult to me,there's a lot of them I think are really great...well, in the main series I'd say "Equality" and...mmm...maybe "Strange bedfellows". In Timedancer I liked "Daylight" and "Crossroads" (really shocking!) and "Fleeting encounters" too (Funny, with a lot of quotings).
For Dark Ages...well, I've just began to read it, so I can't say yet. I will tell you as I decide. :)

Reverend Attila:> Tell GB I didn't mean to hurt his feelings. I was a little upset on my own as I wrote my posting about the Pope, so I think I was too rude.
Anyway, I meant the substance of my comment (the Pope's interference in Italy's politics); I have nothing personal against this Pope, I just can't accept him trying to impose his viewpoint over my fatherland.
For Cromwell...well, I agree that Irishmen have some reasons to hate him, I understand it, but I think that historical events have to be judged with reason, not with feelings. Some of Cromwell's acts may seem cruel nowadays, but maybe at Cromwell's time they were the only choice availabile. Anyway, I apologize again for the way I expressed myself.

Niamhgold:> I must confess that I also made a think about mutations...but I'd not like to be a winged feline...I'd like a healing factor, super-human wits, enhanced strenght and agility and...oh, yes, adamantium bones and three retractable adamantium claws on each hand. ("I'm the best at what I do,bub!" SNIKT!) ;)
Don't worry, the poll is not finished: I'll keep myself ready to resume it anytime someone will express his preference. :)

Timedancer:> Finally!! A release date for the third season !!! And it is CLOSE!!!! WHOOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Wilek & Anne:> X-Files censorship:> I can assure you I'm not joking. Things are EXACTLY as I told. Consider that no other of X-Files "difficult" topics (incestuous relationships, demonic possessions, high-rate violence) has been censored or even mildened by Mediaset's censors. Obviously, the single thing they were disturbed by was Mulder's collections of adult videos and reviews. Obviously, in Italy a TV series' hero is allowed to kill as he likes (I'm not speaking of Mulder, naturally) but not to watch a H-C movie. You're right, it makes no sense. (By the way, I discovered it accidentally, as an English friend of mine borrowed me some tapes with a few episodes, which I already seen in Italian, recorded in the original version)

Sorow:> I'm afarid to hear about your troubles. I hope everything will be better soon.
In bocca al lupo, amico mio!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, March 4, 2000 04:42:31 PM
IP: h213-20-43.mi2.albacom.net

Links > oh, &^%$#@, lately I can't type a link correctly to save my life!!! So sorry! It should be ::clears throat::
http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Book news > I sent the first 3 chaps of Black Roses to the audio book company; heard back from them today and they want to see the entire manuscript! Hurrah!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 04:17:03 PM
IP: 07-158.009.popsite.net

just a quick pop in

Sorrow>>I hope you get better soon, and I'll keep my digits crossed that everything works out.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Saturday, March 4, 2000 03:42:50 PM
IP: user-37kap32.dialup.mindspring.com

*Warpmind peeks in for a brief while.*

Anne: Fave TGS episodes? Gee... tough one; I read'em all in so little time... and there are so many great eps... I really can't say.

Gside: Nothing strange about ladies enjoying Knights of Xentar. It's a great game, and most of the H-rated scenes are quite tasteful Of course, the Snow White scene might be a bit... much... but the game on the whole is really a masterpiece. As for Chronotrigger; well, I was playing on an emulator. And I only used one single savestate all along. (And I use Snes9X, so I don't think that savestate format of yours will do me any good.) I have already started anew, and, believe you me, this time, I SHALL use the Save Points...

Well, that's all there is for now. Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, March 4, 2000 02:44:23 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Gside: <Just remember that it is Hentai-rated, and think about gender here. I think things start getting really really weird when someone without a Y chromosome says anything good about something that closely related to porn.> Hey! Just because I'm a girl doesn't mean I can't appreciate a good plotline, excellent animation, and decently interesting and developing characters. Which KoX has, even with all its unnecessary and tiresome hentai scenes.
Kitainia
Saturday, March 4, 2000 02:06:04 PM
IP: pool-207-205-146-118.dlls.grid.net

Rodlox> demons: You know, I just discovered that it really helps if you double chek the source of the quote for the context.

Fire Storm> MP3 list: That isn't really mine, it's my roomie's, but our computers are on the same network and anything he doen't have shared, he has on CDs in his desk.
Library computers: Sounds like you could have had some fun. "Let's see if I can't get every computer to play the entire dead parrot sketch every time someone presses ctrl..."

Wilek> MIDI: Thanks for the names, but are they free and/or under a couple hundred megs?
<>: No, I plan to start playing it pretty soon. Just remember that it is Hentai-rated, and think about gender here. I think things start getting really really weird when someone without a Y chromosome says anything good about something that closely related to porn.

Warpmind> <<I've seen all the scenes [in KoX]>>: There is either a joke or somthing dipariging to be said about you in there, or both, but I'm not sure what it is (and it could probably be thrown back at me very easily).
savegames: Now, that was a silly thing to do. If you were doing this from a cartrige and just left it on, I pity you. If you were emulating, couldn't you open a save state before lavos and go to a save point? If you want, I could give you a *.zst with ~level 56 characters first time through (I think).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, March 4, 2000 01:40:18 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

***Kyryn steps in***

For those of you who are clamoring for new seasons:

Timedancer will be starting in two to three weeks: either March 16th or March 23rd. We're ironing out some final details right now.

Pendragon and Gargoyles are still being worked on and have no set premiere date as of now.

Oh, just as a note: I generally don't have much time to post regularly in the CR these days, so if you see one of my posts (in peach color and with Cavall as the pic), I'm usually making comments in response to questions about TGS matters (when eps are airing, technical problems, etc.).

Kyryn
Head of Edits, TGS

***Kyryn steps out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Saturday, March 4, 2000 12:20:26 PM
IP: denm1-23.iglobal.net

Ooh, boy. You know that internet hacker that goes by "coolio," the one who screwed up a bunch of sites on Yahoo and stuff, and the one who was just caught? Well, turns out he lives not too far from me. Could've easily been someone I knew! Actually, in a way, it's kinda cool :)

6 year old shootings: Eek. I'm just glad I have no kids right now. I don't know how I'd feel about it if I did, and they were put in school with another kid who has access to guns...

Anne: Dangit, and I missed all this? Sounds like it was pretty exciting! (looks over her shoulder and sees the mutant mistletoe hovering nearby; laughs nervously) Urh, hello...nice ta meet ya!

I have one cat, named Sugie (shu-GEE), and even though it's a female it has Broadway tendencies.

Oh, yeah, my favorite TGS episode: Well, for "Gargoyles", it would have to be "Strange Bedfellows." The classic team-up of hero and ex-villian still interests me, despite the fact that it's been done in the Goliath/Xanatos thread before |:} And, for DA, I pretty much like all the eps. Mostly it's because I know that one day, most of those characters will be dead, and it kind of gives me a respect for their life stories.

Gside: FFI-VII? Cool!

Shadowrider: Mutates were my second choice, after Battlesuits. Mutates don't turn to stone, and they can do that cool zapping thing. I can't explain it, but for some reason, the idea of becoming a cyborg just isn't appealing to me. Keep up the poll!

Anonymous: Er...um, yes, I write fanfic. Not too proud of it, but I'll take responsibility for its wrath ;)

I'll be peeking my head in from time to time...

Adios!

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 12:06:43 PM
IP: ncia90n.ncia.net

RP WARNING!!
**Avatar of Gannon
Agent Rho and Wilek are aiming at the van, when the door opens and Mr. T steps out.
"Don't shoot, fools. Attila sent us, well me in particular. We're the A-Team."
The secuirty drop their weapons half-dissapointed they can't kill anything.
Mr. T starts walking and looking for the machine. He sses Sharpton's bullet-ridden corpse and mutters, "about time that fool got it." The Hollywood Ten all defend the machine, but Mr. T just says "boo" and they all run away. He goes up to the machines and starts pounding on it. He then picks it up and throws it against a wall destroying it. Now, no more bleeding-heart Liberals can come in.

Next, Hannibal Smith steps out with trademark cigar in mouth and talks to Attila.
"Thanks for the muscle, Hannibal. You'll get the money from one of my associates in the LA Underground, and Bush and McCain have agreed to pardon you if they're elected."
"See you around, cat. Now, it's off to somewhere else."
"Won't you help the fight?"
"The A-Team never kills anyone. You know that."
The van drives off to some otehr part of the Avatar trying to find a way back to Earth.**
PAUSE RP!!

Abortion> I'm a cat. This is a human issue :p

Anne> I had a brother named George. I used to beat him up :)

Shadowrider> Well, GB accepts your apologies, though he did bristle a bit at such commenst about the current Pope, whom he is very fond of, and then defending Oliver Cromwell set off osme major internal alarms in him. You'd be amazed by how much he hates him. He's part-Irish, so it's justified, but even I don't have that much contempt for anyone, not even the French :)

Welcome Intrepid. Your color and pic resemble an enemy of the CR, but where glad it's not him :)

Archwolf> GB's great grandmother was a Dinean,a nd while his mother's a Worthington, the family has a history of Irish wives, so very little Saxon tainting pollutes that bloodline. His other side is Scottish and French, but at least they left before Freance went downhill (i.e. Robespierre).

Starsinger> He figures you just want to be away from other humans, because they anger you at work. I oculd send your nation an Ambassador from the Isle of Man.

Mec> At least you can love. I was neuetered at six months old :(

Patrick Toman> The right to Privacy was a fabrication of William Douglas, a man who belonged in an asylum, not the Supreme Court.

You shoudl post moreo ften than jsut throwing in your two cents when it is a subject of controversy :p

Anonymous> Please don't stop posting over it. I agree with your assesment. Giev me Dr. Laura or Phyllis Schalfly to take the RTL side any day in a debate.

Welcome Matthew

Janine> I agree with you about teh adoption issue. Plus, GB's cousin had a baby a few years back, an dwants anothe rone, but she can't have one the fun way, so she and her husband are getting scientific bull done, and she was pregnant, but she miscarried and almsot died of a staph infection in the hospital. If that's not a sign from God to adopt, then I odn't know what is.

Firestorm> Rehabilitation? Well, let's see, but I have never been too big a believer. I just hate how some politicians are using this event to attack certain freedoms. That is demagougery and hypocrisy, since they wail about conservative moral legislation all the time.

Welcome Giesel

Kitainia> $Kill Guiliani?? :( I guess in fairness I will, but actually, he'll be sacrificed, instead of executed.$

Revel> Why visit Louisiana then. Now is Mardi Gras season :)

RESUME RP!!
**Bob Jones University
A menacing figure in puritan garb and horns protruding from his head and hooves for feet, with an ornage hue oevr his body, turns to his main supporters, the Orange Order. Among those assembled are Rev. Cornish, the Orange Duke, Bob Jones, and Ian Paisley (a thoroughly evil enemy of all good Irishmen everywhere).

"It seems the A-Team ahs thwarted Mr. Turner's army. It seems he cannot defeat the scouts. Now, you four have soemthing for me."

"Yes, Lord Cromwell. We have brought forth the papist mayor for the sacrifice."
Paisley and Jones take out Rudolph Guiliani's body tied in ropes and gagged.
"Yes....Let us begin the sacrifice of the Catholic. It shall be refreshing after another defeat at the hands of the accursed Catholic schoolgirl scouts."**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!!

Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Saturday, March 4, 2000 11:12:39 AM
IP: usr57-dialup210.mix2.atlanta.cw.net

*Pops head back in*

Hey, I forgot to ask! What was all of your favorite episodes of TGS and why??? I mean, for each spin-off? I think I really enjoyed Equality (season one) a lot, because we got to meet a lot of future main characters and a lot of great character development went in there. For DA, I liked the "Nowhere to Run & Nowhere to Hide" parters, because of the great action and it starred some of my favorite characters. I can't qualify for Pendragon or Timedancer though, I haven't read all the episodes yet. YET!! :)
Anne
Saturday, March 4, 2000 09:35:34 AM
IP: 204-246-241-51.nas2.apv.gblx.net

*Walks in with chibi-Claw and kittens*

Hi all! :)

Well, the kittens are still the same as the Gargoyles...Max still poses as leader like Goliath...Pumpkin always fights Max like Demona...Dizzy still has that gritty, Brooklyn-like attitude...Tanner still gorges on food, bumbles brainlessly, and loves to cuddle like Broadway...Georgie, the littlest of them (though he's a teensy bit bigger then his sisters) specializes in opening doors and being the basic mechanic of the cat family like Lexington...Patch has developed brains amazingly like Delilah...and Squeakers, she has that all optimistic Angela-like quality. Oops, rambling, ah well...

Hey, just how tired was I when I posted on Wednesday?!?! My apologies Doug, I gave ya two happy birthdays (unless you like getting two happy birthdays, those are fun! :).

Jaden> Thanks for the info, Dad's taking me to the library where I'll get more of the series. This sounds lotsa cool. :)

Green Baron> <<If you get into politcis at thirteen, you got me beat. I was 15 when I started the obsession :) >>. Hehe... Dad keeps me watching current events, and IMO, I'd rather watch that then Power Rangers battling some strange kitchen utensils every day. But when it comes to voting...maybe I'll go back to the my sister and her friends' shows THAN... *g*

***MAJOR Mummy spoilers***

Wilek> Yes, me too! We've seen too many Frankenstein-like beings (not Mary Shelley's villain, just Hollywood in particular) decapitating beings for trying to find out what makes things tick (sounds a little like Adam on Buffy, yes?). Although, as interesting and funny as those films were, the Mummy seemed to mix a well-leveled amount of emotions in the scenes, not just blood and gore galore. I mean, of course some things don't make sense [like at the end, when the main lady (oh, I hate it when you forget their names!) is deciphering the message on the esophogus and happened to get it in less then five minutes even though that particular vocabularly is a different kind of Hebrew, or something like that, and this particular spell happened to save the day]. Anyway, I think the main thing that got me was at the end...when the Mummy dude helplessly witnesses his true love get killed by his own servants, before his very eyes--the look on his face is so terrible, I felt for the guy despite the evil he'd done. How many villains have we seen that had that look when they saw someone that mattered to them become lost? That look alone, I feel, had a partial add-in that made the movie awesome (sorry for this long rambling, I'm sure you've heard all this before). *Ponders something* If the sequel is just geared up for violence and mega swearing, I will be sooooo disappointed (cus I'm also looking for character development and a villain that is not only harboring revenge for them killing him, but also seathing because the hero and heroine "destroyed" all that he has cherished). Anyway, enough of my ranting! :)

***END SPOILERS!!!***

Wileky again> <<Darkart.de>> Hehe...I just knew you'd be interested in that. :) As for taking commissions, I have no idea. I was kinda wondering about that too...

Revel> Welcome to the CR!

Shadowrider> <<X-Files>> Woah! You're serious?!?! I agree also about the human/gargoyles relationship.

SOROW> I hope your x-rays turn out alright! *hugs*

Niamhgold> Welcome to the CR. :) <<If I may ask...what is the mistletoe?>> ...Er...um... *blushes as chibi-Claw shoots an evil smirk across the room at where the portal had been to the other universe during Christmas* Well, it's a long story. *Makes a "storytime" gesture to chibis, where they all gather in a crowd and sit down like kindergarteners*. Well, Niamhgold, a bunch of people can tell you what happened, but this is basically the whole story...kay, started out with someone hanging out the mistletoe for Christmas (I believe it was Jewel or Jannie...can't remember real well). Everyone was getting kissy-kissy underneath like it's a haven for huggling, until someone zaps the plant with some mutagen that started mutating it into this evil devil-like thing. Meanwhile, at Wilek's lab, he's also incubating a mutated mistletoe, who happens to be Nikolai perched on Wilek's shoulder over there(Nikolai is very sweet, BTW). The evil twin mistletoe sprouted wings, went berserko and produced babies from Coyote's mistletoe (yes, he had some mistletoe perched on his head). Bronx came along and chased the mistletoes into the corner of the room, where they produced even MORE in a frenzy...people were killing the evil offspring...the main troublemaker stayed put in the corner until Mara and Coyote showed up with chainsaws and bazookas galore. This is when we were just finding out about chibis, thanks to Mara. Lots of us were adopting them during that time, in fact. Anyway, the evil mistletoes all got killed off except for the main troublemaker, and he somehow got into the altered universe through some sort of coding. Mara and Coyote managed to get in there using Xellos' help, who's a chibi-friend of Mara's, in case you're wondering. I decided to tag along, and tagging along behind me came chibi-Claw. The rest is simply censored cus it got really nasty on the other side, so bad that chibi-Claw was covered toe to eartips with mutant mistletoe sludge. Wilek found out about the evil mistletoe's intent and used the evil mistletoe's death as apart of the training that made sure Nikolai would never become like that. Now he's just the sweetest wittle thing! *pats Nikolai on the head before seeing that all the chibis are asleep and all newcomers are wide-eyed like, "Uh, sorry, you lost us right before the first time you said 'Christmas'".* Um...I guess you'd have to be there to understand... *shrugs as chibi-Claw rolls his eyes*

*Watches as chibi-Claw eyes dosing chibis* Claw, you better not do tha-- *Too late as Claw zaps all the chibis in a heartbeat* *smacks forehead as Claw faces a bunch of angry chibis before he dashes for the front door, only to meet up with Benjamin, who easily electrocutes him back with a strong current* Ahhhhh, just like his Daddy! *L*

Well, bye all! :) *Walks out with crispy, er, chibi Claw*
Anne
Saturday, March 4, 2000 09:24:24 AM
IP: 204-246-241-51.nas2.apv.gblx.net

*Warpmind enters in a flash of smoke, coughing along with his chibi family.*
Yipes... *cough, cough* I think I miscalculated those microbombs a little... *Cough, cough* Flashy appearance, alright... Um... replies.

Just a thought... Christine: Too bad you didn't mention that dream of yours in the "Meet the Pros" chat during the Reunion. ;)

Kitania: Feel free to ask me questions about Knights of Xentar anytime. I've seen all the scenes, so I should probably be able to direct you to your destinations. ;)

Rodlox: The problem with Christine's link there is she accidentally pressed slash instead of dot. It's supposed to be new_stuff.html

Wilek: What do you say? Shall we let Shadowrider get that substantial chunk of Europe?

Gside: Dude, I have no savegames. It just jumps straight to the beginning. I just start at level 1 again. And I wanted to start kicking butt at level 47... :(

**RP**
Warpmind looks at the newly-arrived cops, grinning.
"Time for the tranq gun."
Swiftly, Warpmind shoots a couple of tranqs at the nearest cops. As they fall, snoring, they are not replaced.
"Perfect! Now, if I can just tranq the humans, we only have to worry about the daemonic entities."
Then, there is a virtual fountain of blood, and the sleeping cops explode.
"Damn! I hate those kamikaze devices!"
The two fallen cops are replaced by a pair of dangerous-looking mercs.
"Oh, bugger..."
**RP END**

Later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, March 4, 2000 08:09:14 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**RP!**

[Miriam arrives at the armory, to find Agent Rho awaiting her. Rho: "The Administrator's people just found out what's been generating the new arrivals in the hangar bay." He calls up a map of the station, with a flashing red dot in a fairly obscure portion of the station. Rho: "According to information we acquired from one of the enemy soldiers, the device is here. We know little else about it, so I wanted you to come prepared." Miriam: "A sound course of action." With that, Miriam begins selecting several heavy weapons, including a wrist-mounted psi amp and a shoulder-mounted rocket launcher armed with Black Shark rockets, and dons a personal force field generator while observing, "I'm surprised the Administrator has not already attempted to assimilate the device." Rho: "It's too dangerous even for her to bother with; if it isn't destroyed, it could easily start this all over again." Miriam finishes her preparations and tells Rho she's ready to begin the mission. Rho responds, "Then good luck, Agent, and good hunting." He enters a control sequence on a nearby panel, and Miriam is beamed as near to the device as possible (which is just far enough away to ensure that things won't be *too* easy)...]

**PAUSE RP!**

Cal�ope> <<Woohoo!!! Princess of Puerto Rico and world known royalty!!! So when do we get started!!! :P>> Oh, plans are already in motion... <maniacal laughter>

Green Baron> Congratulations on getting published! ^_^ Impressive work BTW. I'm not as informed on the issues as I'd probably need to be to really appreciate this article, but I know great work when I see it. :)

Spacebabie> <<If you all dont know by now but there have been four..count them four babies abandoned recently in the central Florida area(Don't worry they are all alive) One of the mothers was only 13.>> ACK...<speechless with horror> <<recently my right foot..on the bottom of my foot above the heel near the center has been sore and hard to walk,painfull but not impossible. I'm not sure what to do either see a podiatrist or maybe a good soak in my mom's foot massager might help>> Hm...probably both would be a good idea, and I hope that clears up soon... o_o

Niamhgold> <<Deposit my sanity, eh? Is there a pick-up for it later? ;D>> Possibly, although you'll never want or need it. ;) <<If I may ask...what's the mistletoe?>> A more immediate question might be *where's* the mistletoe. Yo! Nikolai! Where are ye, ye daft foliage? [A sprig of mistletoe with black leaves, insect wings, sucking tentacles, and compound eyes instead of berries flits in through the skylight and perches on Wilek's arm.] Ah, there you are. This, friend, is the mistletoe. It's a mutant insect plant thing named Nikolai. It does look awfully weird and gross and evil, but it's rather friendly. ^_^

Kitainia> $Fascinating new additions to the crew. ^_^ The illithid/mindflayer thingie seems...familiar, somehow...$ <<the local arcade got rid of Soul Calibur, the only one I really liked>> Do you have a Dreamcast? :)

Shadowrider> <<I want to join you in your attempt to rule this little world. If you'll deign to accept, I'll put at your disposal all of my skills, my knowledges, my resources, executing without discussion every task you'll decide to assign me. "My water shall mingle with your water". In return for my (well,almost) unshakable loyalty, I merely ask a little thing...complete control over Mediterranean Europe (including Spain, France, Italy, former Jugoslavia, Albania and Greece) to rule it as your viceroy. Waiting for an answer, I heil the future World Emperor.;)>> Who am I to refuse the help of a new ally? Welcome aboard! :D Of course your request is granted. I believe you're more than qualified for it. ^_^ (Oh, and except for the occasional status report, you and the other conspirators will be pretty autonomous when it comes to conquering the world. ^_^) X-Files censorship> <blink> Huh? O_o That...that...that makes no sense! <<Rodlox is right, I tried to connect to your site just a minute ago, but I couldn't find it.>> Hmm...maybe the server the site is stored on was temporarily having problems?

SOROW> <<My mom is really worried about me (which is rare as of late) because she thinks that I might have a brain clot. I don't know what to think, except that I'm having difficulty reading and it's getting worse. If there is something wrong, I'm just glad I have friends here who I can talk to. My mom is going to take me to get x-rays as soon as possible. Pray for me please!>> :O AAACCCKKK...gods, I *hope* you'll be alright...<nails Sli Sludge to the ceiling, just in case>

Gside> <<The higher on the staff means it's higher in pitch. #=up a half step. b=down a half step. More lines mean it's shorter (by a ratio of ~(1/2)^n).>> I knew that much; if I'm familiar with a song that a piece of sheet music is for, I can usually recognize it by the relative heights of the notes. But I'm not literate enough to translate sounds into written notes and vice versa. <shrug> <<BTW, Wilek, do you have anything that translates a MIDI to sheet music?>> Two things actually: MusicMagic and Recording Session 4, both by MidiSoft. :) I use them mostly for resetting my sound card and changing instruments in MID files...<> I take it you don't much like this game? ;)

Gissel E> Welcome! Surrender your sanity, and watch for low flying mistletoe. <> Yet another satisfied customer. ^_^

Fire Storm> <<It seems that someone at UofM made small silicon pieces that would connect directly to the neurons.
PLUS, don't forget, we HAVE connected computers directly to mice and roaches.>> Impressive. I wonder how long it'll be before we can control machines with a thought...<evil, evil ideas forming> <<Speaking of Beauty and the Beast and KQ6, Robbie Benson was the voice of the Beast AND Prince Alexander.>> <blink> I did not know that. Heh...<<Oh, just some mutant face-hugging mistletoe. It just tries to attack ya.>> <blink> Wasn't that its evil twin? O_o' Nikolai, have you been naughty? [Nik: <ch-chitter chk'chk purrrr>] Oh, just Mr. Disconnect. Good, he deserves it...

**RESUME RP!**

[Miriam arrives in a dark, cramped network of power conduits and narrow corridors, nowhere within sight of the device. She whips out a tricorder, determines the general direction that she should start walking...and, in some unknown location, whoever's controlling the device takes note of an unauthorized presence near it. He/she/it/they press a few buttons, and a few unpleasant surprises appear in Miriam's path...she turns a corner, to discover Marilyn Manson and Alice Cooper. Miriam: "I was expecting my progress to be barred, but not by a duo of psychopathic transvestites." Manson: "Well you're no prize yourself, babe." (Her friends would beg to differ, if they were here, but that's another matter.) Manson unleashes a scream at Miriam, which throat implants and evil magic amplify into a shockwave of lethal intensity. She leaps out of the way and draws her lightsaber, intending to lop off his head, when Cooper tries to do the same to her with an axe-bladed electric guitar. It glances off her force field and throws its wielder off-balance long enough for Miriam to slash him cleanly (well, perhaps not *cleanly* in the strictest sense* in half. Manson: "So it's just you and me? Fine, I never liked that flatulating butthead in the first place." The willingly demonically possessed creep rocker lobs an orb of radioactive flame at the MIB, who uses psi-amp generated telekinesis to reflect it back at its caster, sending him flying away from her. Manson: "OK, b**ch, now I'm TICKED!" He recites a spell so evil that to type it here would bring a curse upon the comment room, and he is surrounded in black light...when it clears, he has transformed into what looks like the demonic equivalent of Elena's Liberation Angel form and looks at Miriam with a glare that could etch brass. Manson: "You're MINE!!!" Miriam returns his glare with a look halfway between pity and annoyance, then leaps into the fray...]

**END RP!**
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, March 4, 2000 04:11:42 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Gside: <and I haven't even started to run low.>
I know. I saw your list! And you probally get new MP3's every week or so, right?
<Library Computers>
Oh yeah! Get this: The computers in the public librarys are all networked together. How do I know this? From a computer connected to it (win-98), I was able to open Explorer and search the entire network! I could have erased files and done basically whatever the hell I wanted!
I know that the server is NT, little to no network protection, and it seems everyone has total access!

Joe Boxer: <one of my best friends is pregnant...she won't be able to finish the year with us.>
Is the school kicking her out, or is the reason because of her fellow students?
If it is the school itself, I am pretty sure that is illegeal.
Call a lawyer of that is the case. That is the type of cases that some lawyers dream of. Fighting the system brings lots of publicity.
If it is the studentsm well... teens can be cruel.

Wilek: <O_O Wow...<speechless>>
Yeah... thats about how I felt when I read that in PopSci. It seems that someone at UofM made small silicon pieces that would connect directly to the neurons.
PLUS, don't forget, we HAVE connected computers directly to mice and roaches.
<(I've never seen any other, unless King's Quest 6 counts)>
Speaking of Beauty and the Beast and KQ6, Robbie Benson was the voice of the Beast AND Prince Alexander.

Green Baron: <He and Larry King have a psychic link>
Great. Thats all we need. A King/Perot collective. :)
<Article>
Well congrats on being published! Geez! You got an entire article! The best I ever did was a photo on the cover of a school book of poetry and stories called "The Muze"
(THAT and my senior will. IT WAS NOT "it all" it was "YOU all", damnit!)

Spacebabie: <If you all dont know by now but there have been four..count them four babies abandoned recently in the central Florida area>
Unfortunately, that is an event that happens about every week/week-and-a-half in Detorit. Dumpsters, middle of the street, wrapped in garbage bags, ETC. Most of them live, though.
<One of the mothers was only 13.>
Was it 4 seperate mothers?
< I'm not sure what to do either see a podiatrist or maybe a good soak in my mom's foot massager might help>
My podiatrist never really helped me. Sure, he removed a ingrown nail once, but I have been more pain tolerant lately, so I do it myself.
Personally, I say try the soaker then the doctor if all else fails.

Mmmm... reminds me of the corn at the city Homecoming celebration. The corn is given out by the Fire Fighters for their burn drive.
Ironically enough, I once spilled the hot water from my corn onto my stomach and recieved a small first degree burn. (Hey, when you have bruned as much as I have, you start to be able to tell the difference between first second and thrid degree burns!)
<Wouldent it make more money if it was open at the same time as spring break?>
Possibly. But how many people leave for spring break? And besides... who wants a bunch of rowdy college students looking for a fun time hanging around a family place? ;)

Niamhgold: <If I may ask...what's the mistletoe?>
Oh, just some mutant face-hugging mistletoe. It just tries to attack ya.

Rodlox: <the link says that site doesn't exist, and the place it diverts to also doesn't exist. >
She just typed it wrong. Replace the / with a .

SOROW: WOAH! Guess that bump on the head may be something after all.
Get better soon. We need ya in here.

<ACKNOWLEDGE//SUBMIT>
Fire Storm - [Night-flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 02:46:34 AM
IP: t2-4.visitus.net

I've just found this site, but... I think I haven't been so happy since I found the American Gothic virtual seasons!!!
Great idea!!
Gissel E. - [gisseles@adinet.com.uy]
Montevideo, Uruguay
Saturday, March 4, 2000 02:43:38 AM
IP: r200-40-27-181.adinet.com.uy

****BEGIN RP!!!****
"The Artist Formerly Known as Prince!? What kind of name is that Artsy? How about Artist who Formerly had a Personality?" Jaden yells at the insane star.
"It's a better name than you could ever come up with furball, everyone loves me and my new name!" He replies firing a weapon that looks like a cross between a microphone and a pistol.
"You wish!" says Jaden as he throws his axe. Artsy easily dodges it but too late realizes that it was meant as a distraction. Jaden rushes him and claws his head clean off. "Well so much for the Artist Formerly Known to have a Pulse."
****END RP!!!****

Kitainia-Shooting at a guy 42 times, who was only armed with a wallet is...oh what's the word? WRONG! How could that be mistaken for a gun? BTW that's for leaving Artsy for me, can't really stand the guy.

Rodlox- Driving you insane? You've been here this long and you're still sane? We must be losing our edge. ;P

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 02:14:15 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Hey all. I just got off of work and took a shower. I work at a bowling alley/video games/lasertag, and my supervisor had me work the redemption counter. I was passing out prizes to little biznatchy kids for five hours! Oh well. As SOROW said, things are starting to get better. Yet I hope that all of you will pray that her physical condition gets better, for I don't know what I would do without her.

Kit: Thank you so much for your support. I don't know anyone who could care so much about someone they barely know, like you. You are truly a special person.

SOROW: I'm sorry that I was in such a bad mood at what seemed to be one of the nicest days you've had in a while. I'm glad that your stress level is starting to go down. I'm only working until six on Saturday, so I'm free all night if you want to call me or have me come over and watch Wacko's Wish or something. I love you!
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 01:18:25 AM
IP: spider-tr074.proxy.aol.com

Gside: <Ahh, But why are they worse than marsupial and
monotreme demons? > you're a placental, i take it. there are three species of extant {still living} monotremes, a few hundred forms of marsupials,....and thousands of placental forms....

.....placentals, inferior in every way, have reaped a geographic accident which wiped out most of the other two groups {and a class of flightless predatory birds over six and seven feet tall}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 4, 2000 12:38:23 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Rodlox> <<the placental demons must die>>: Ahh, But why are they worse than marsupial and monotreme demons?

Warpmind> <>: Saving has nothing to do with it, except for starting level: you need to go through the Black Omen to open New Game +.

Music illiterates> **sarcasm** Ha ha, I laugh in your general direction. **/sarcasm** But really, it's not too hard (said by someone who only has to worry about one note at a time). The higher on the staff means it's higher in pitch. #=up a half step. b=down a half step. More lines mean it's shorter (by a ratio of ~(1/2)^n). BTW, Wilek, do you have anything that translates a MIDI to sheet music?

Wilek> <<Page of stupid quotes> <LOL> *Great* stuff here...>>: Thank you. That's about the third time I posted the link and no one noticed it before. And remember, we are engineers so these things *do* come up in (what we call) normal conversation.

Cal�ope> <<the comps T use at the library are, how shall I put this....STUPID>>: What OS are they? Unix? ITS? TOPS-10? TOPS-20/TWENEX? WAITS? CP/M? Multics?

Spacebabie> Fair: I must apologize in advance, but we just listened to the CD again tonight, so I have to quote. "If you ever want to feel good about yourself, just go to a state fair and just looook around... I saw this one woman, must have been 1500 pounds. The weight guessing man looked at her and said, 'No. You don't want me shouting that number.' It wouldn't have bathered me so much but in one hand she had a funnel cake with every condiment known to man on it. Mustard, ketchup, dirt from the ground. In her mouth she was holding a burrito like a cigarette, and in the other had was a grilled corn. And next to her was this skinny little 80 pound man, just begging for scraps." (Bill Engvall)

Niamhgold> FF series: Quite all right, I probably sounded harsher than you. Oh, and I meant my laptop wallpaper, not posters in my room. I didn't think they made many FFVIj/IIIe posters. (Oh, and I now have the complete run I-VII for my computer. Must free HD space for FFVII install.)

Kitainia> <>: I wish I remembered more George Carlin so I could supply more things no one has said. Ever. That no one has put thos words in that order before.

Shadowrider> <>: I thought it would be because he spends a good percentage of his time inside Italy, and would rather prefer it if there weren't major riots in the streets (plus instituting what he calls an ethical system).
<<Odisseus' nemesis was not Poliphemus, but rather Neptune, or Juno>>: I was thinking more in the reverse, since Cyclops came first, his nemesis would be named after Polyphemus's nemesis.
<<My water shall mingle with your water>>: Ooh, A Stranger in a Strange Land. Jubal had all the best lines.

SOROW> You have my best wishes that everything turns out all right.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Saturday, March 4, 2000 12:13:15 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Hi to all. Things are starting to slow down here as far as stress goes, but my recent head trama is another story. My mom is really worried about me (which is rare as of late) because she thinks that I might have a brain clot. I don't know what to think, except that I'm having difficulty reading and it's getting worse. If there is something wrong, I'm just glad I have friends here who I can talk to. My mom is going to take me to get x-rays as soon as possible. Pray for me please!

Kit> That was sooooooo sweet what you said to Joe! We could really use some prayers down here at our high school. You're a great friend!
SOROW
Friday, March 3, 2000 11:49:43 PM
IP: dll2a030-0704.splitrock.net

This is just a short message for the TGS crew. You may have wondered why I haven't been sending anything for about two weeks or so. It's that for some reason my current server 'forgot' my username and/or password, so I've been effectively locked out of the Internet for that time. This is the first time I've been able to get onto the Internet, otherwise I would have mentioned this sooner. I'm going to try something new over the weekend, and hopefully I'll be able to get back online. Wish me luck. (And sorry about this, but it hit me suddenly, and I've been trying my best to get this problem solved.)
Nicodemus
Friday, March 3, 2000 09:03:52 PM
IP: cf1001stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com

Christine:> Rodlox is right, I tried to connect to your site just a minute ago, but I couldn't find it.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Friday, March 3, 2000 07:37:45 PM
IP: h213-16-164.mi2.albacom.net

<Shadowrider appears emerging from the shadow he was hiding himself in>
Hi, I'm here again <a chorus of sad moans from the background>

Poll:>Well, in the last two days none send votes, so I suppose I have to consider it concluded. Here is the final results (N.B. If anyone still wants to vote, feel free to post-I'll be ready to resume the poll)
14 Gargoyles
10 Battlesuits
5 Mutates
3 Cyborgs

Seems we have a lot of Gargoyles-candidates here. Battlesuits-lovers held well their ground, while I have to admit I expected more by Cyborgs and, most of all, by Mutates (As the poll began, I was ready to bet on Mutates' victory...). Well,this will remind me that reality is unpredictable...

Gside: <<...vested interest...>> Well, maybe I'm dumb, but I can't understand why the Pope is supposed to have a "vested" interest in Italian politics. Is that because of, centuries ago, Vatican ruled (often in a very bad way) a large part of central Italy? Or is that because Vatican territory is enclosed in Italian territory (then S. Marine's Republic is supposed to send "suggestions" on his own, but id doesn't...). Italian constitution says that Catholicism is Italy's official religion, enstablishes that Catholic churches are not Italian territory (Police and Carabinieri have to ask priest's permission to enter a church, even for an emergency), that Vatican City is inviolable by anyone and promises that, if necessary, Italian army (only after official Vatican request) will protect Vatican City as it is part of Italian ground. The Pope has a total independence from Italian laws in Vatican City, and Italian citizens are allowed to send a part of their taxes to Vatican instead of Italian revenue, by simply putting a sign in a special space on the annual income-tax return. No other religion in Italy has these rights, and none, even the most nostalgic former-Communists, has ever proposed to remove them, so what else does the Pope want? (maybe I've been a little rough, but this is a topic I'm very sensitive about. Anyway, I apologize for any offence I may have done to anyone.)
Mr. Sinister> Well, "Nakenas" vs. "Cyclops" (I admit I missed the quoting-It's been a long time since I read the "Odissey")...the name is not bad, really, but I wonder...why Nathaniel Essex would choose to pick up a Greek name? Then, Odisseus' nemesis was not Poliphemus, but rather Neptune, or Juno. Anyway, "Nakenas" is not a bad name ,better than Mr. Sinister, for sure.

Wilek:> After a long and careful reflection, I decided to make you an offer: I want to join you in your attempt to rule this little world. If you'll deign to accept, I'll put at your disposal all of my skills, my knowledges, my resources, executing without discussion every task you'll decide to assign me. "My water shall mingle with your water". In return for my (well,almost) unshakable loyalty, I merely ask a little thing...complete control over Mediterranean Europe (including Spain, France, Italy, former Jugoslavia, Albania and Greece) to rule it as your viceroy. Waiting for an answer, I heil the future World Emperor.;)
Beast or Prince: I have no doubt: I choose the Beast (I never liked princes, even in fables I found them boring)

Kitainia:> Hi! I'm really glad to hear you. Discussing with you is very pleasant to me, little matter the topic, so I'll always be happy to do it. :) Well, about TGS...I finished reading the first two seasons of Gargoyles and Timedancer and I've begun Dark Ages...I'm eagerly waiting for new episodes to be published, 'cause I find TGS (especially Timedancer) very intriguing. Expect comments by me about each new episode, as soon as it will be published (you're warned!! ;) ). X-Files: well, the new episodes (new for Italian fans...we are not very numerous, but we will be faithful until the end or so...) will be broadcasted by next Sunday on...about it there's a thing that will make you laugh (I hope). Well, as you know, especially in the very first episodes of the series, there were a lot of innuendos (sometimes very clear) about Mulder's interest in pornography (both on reviews and videos). Now, in Italy X- Files is broadcasted by Mediaset (the most important private TV network in Italy). Mediaset never showed any worry in showing, even in children-watching hours, movies or series with explicit sexual content or high violence rate (Mediaset broadcasts in clear-it is not a restricted-access channel). Well, for X-Files, that was broadcasted from the very beginning at 22.30 (as childs are supposed to be sleeping) and is clearly made for an adult public, Mediaset was suddenly pervaded by a wave of Puritanism! It is the only way to explain why every single referring to Mulder's "passion" was accurately and completely removed, by twisting speaking in dubbing (so "Playboy" become "Donald Duck's Almanac"- and I'm not joking :( ), by cutting away frames and, luckily only once, by completely removing a whole scene (they forgot to re-write dialogues to remove referring to the missing scene-that episode seemed a little confused...). Funny, isn't it? Maybe not much, but...:-\ .
See you later, Kitainia.

Matthew:> Welcome! Well, your question has been already posted by many persons (myself included), but I think it is not bad keeping on trying...maybe one day we will be answered! ;)

Garg/human relationships:> Well, maybe this topic is a little old, but I wat to express my view anyway (if you are bored of it, feel free not to read). I don't see any difficults for a relationship between a human and a gargoyle. Well, maybe some social difficults (as for interracial human relationships), but not on the emotional side. There's no physical appearance, no matter how different from mine, that I can't accept, appreciate and even find beautiful-all I'd need is a bit of time (not much) to get used. Now, I don't think I'm such a rare person-there's a lot of people like me, in this Room, down in the streets, everywhere. We are not the biggest part of the human population-maybe we are the smallest-but there0s a lot of us anyway. I think phisical appearance is not really important. Cultural and psichic differences, instead, may cause more difficults, but I think it is not the case of the Gargoyles.

Ragga, se vedemu!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Friday, March 3, 2000 07:34:53 PM
IP: h213-16-164.mi2.albacom.net

Christine: no offense intended, but are you trying to drive me insane? reason: the link says that site doesn't exist, and the place it diverts to also doesn't exist.

sorry. i apologize.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 3, 2000 07:02:14 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

New on my site:
Lots and lots more pics; Demona May continues her illustrations of the "Damien" stories, plus takes a look at the upcoming hatchings; Crzy has a new Jericho and Demona pic that is just _gorgeous_.
Updated some stuff.
Added my entries from the G.I.R. Fanfic Contest (are the results posted anywhere yet?)
Find it all with a click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff/html

Kitainia > thanks! I'm enjoying the Hothar stories; it's the first time in years I've taken on a project this big and all originally new (as opposed to fanfic or game-based stuff).

Revel > welcome!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 3, 2000 06:14:38 PM
IP: 07-115.009.popsite.net

Sorry I forgot my name on the post below! It's mine! :)
Kitainia
Friday, March 3, 2000 05:51:37 PM
IP: pool-209-138-63-243.dlls.grid.net

**RP HERE- EXCUSE THE LENGTH**

In the Avatar of Ganon's hangar, Shap listens as Al Sharpton criticizes his appearance and then rolls his eyes. "Listen, pal," he says, "I take worse verbal abuse than that from my girlfriend every day. Coming from you, similar stuff don't bother me a bit!" Shauna (who is still fighting off Micheal Jackson's dancers with her bow while the Onslaught battles the King of Pop in giant robot form) smiles at the remark. She then lets Mist and Elena take over killing the dancers for her and runs over to stand beside Shap. Sharpton immediately starts criticizing her appearance as well, and Shauna replies with nagging on his appearance, general attitude, and the stupidity he displays in making some of the remarks he does. Shap stands by and guards them both from attacking dancers while listening to the heated debate. Rapidly it turns to questions of racism (which Shauna accuses Sharpton of displaying in large amounts) and then Sharpton brings things to a head by accusing Shauna of not "being a good Christian or a good black girl." "That is enough!" Shap yells when he hears the remark. "Hey man, is yelling at people about what you perceive as their flaws all you can do?" Sharpton frowns at the comment, and then launches into another tirade about how Shap isn't a good Christian black just because Shap interrupted him, insulted him, and is fraternizing with people of other races. By the high point of the speech (which Shap and Shauna try their best to interrupt but fail to), everyone near Sharpton has become extremely pissed off. This includes Doug and Kitainia, who start firing their guns at Sharpton just to shut him up. Shap and Shauna sigh and do the same as the jerk continues speaking and when they're done, the Fundamentalist Extreme Racist Reverend has been hit by 19 of 42 shots that were justified this time even though he was unarmed (cyber-cookie to whoever gets the reference). This is enough to take him out, and cause the Ravens to breathe sighs of relief before turning their fury on a bunch of brutal and equally racist New York and Los Angeles white police officers who have gated in to replace Sharpton for some reason and immediately attack everyone in sight, yelling "Gun! Gun!" (you get the above reference, you'll get this one) The battle with the rest of the Hollywood Ten meanwhile continues, Micheal Jackson destroyed by a combination of the Onslaught's weaponry and Warpmind's rust grenades. He is replaced by the Artist Formerly Known as Prince, who looks for a target and picks out Jaden (your fight, friend).

Elsewhere in the hangar, Tom Hanks continues advancing towards SJ and Kari, the Scouts keep dueling with Geffen and Hayden, and most of the Black Ravens and Avatar crew members are battling various other heavily armed and very powerful Hollywood nincompoops. Only Tom Cruise is prevented from fighting, tied up in a net. He is approached by two strange-looking Avatar crew members- an eight foot tall humanoid with a squid-like head dressed in purple robes covered with Borg nanites, and an old white-haired man in a black suit who should look familiar to anyone who watches A&E. Tom Cruise frowns at them, then screams as his mind is ravaged by a searching spell from the illithid. "I have the information," the mind flayer says after the spell is complete and Cruise has screamed continously for five minutes. "The machine will be found and destroyed. This one is all yours." As it turns and walks off to report to Agent Rho, his companion walks up to Cruise and places a small black box beside him. "What is that?" Cruise asks him. "What are you doing?" "I'm exacting my revenge on you," Jim Phelps replies. "A while back, you ruined the reputation of a franchise I made famous with a terrible movie that portrayed me as a villain and a traitor to America. I've resented that for a long time." Cruise gasps as he realizes who's confronting him. "You must be very upset." Jim only smiles. "You're not going to see me very upset." He grins and then walks off. Cruise screams and struggles against the net, but not before the box opens to display a large plastic finger pointing at him and tape saying, "This stupid actor will be destroyed in five seconds. Good luck, Jim!" Lightning then lances from the finger and fries Tom to death. The Hollywood personality who replaces him, Nicole Kidman, sees the body and begins wailing with loss as the screen goes blank.

**PAUSE OR POSSIBLY END RP**

Hi everyone. Hope no one is bothered by the lengthy RP above, I had to get it all out now because Doug's parents and sister are on their way here right now for their obligatory birthday visit. We don't know when they're showing up, and if I'm on the computer when they arrive instead of smiling and saying hi to them...it won't look good. :) So, on that note, since I'm pressed for time, I'll get on to replies now. No movies to comment about this weekend, since there aren't any good ones playing. Next week if may be a different story (Doug and I are at least gonna see Mission to Mars).

Warpmind: So far I agree with you about Knights of Xentar, although I still haven't seen most of it (been unable to play much due to school). I am enjoying it even with the hentai scenes, and hope to continue to do so. Thanks for the hint offer, if I get stuck you'll be the first place I check for help (next will be gamefaqs.com).

Stormy: You got 3rd place? Congrats. If it were up to me, you'd have gotten first, but hey, 3rd's good too. <:) That reminds me, I gotta check out the Reunion page to see who else won, congrats in advance to any who did.
re- Hitman: I haven't read that comic, but if it's like Punisher and you enjoy it (some other friends of mine have as well), maybe I should. :) BTW, sorry you can't afford Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe. If you get the chance, I guess you can always read it in the store instead (just ignore the a-hole clerk who claims the place ain't a library). It's definitely worth it. (The plot, if anyone's curious, concerns how the Punisher's life would be different if super-powered people killed his family instead of crooks. Predictable but enjoyable results. :)

Niamhgold: Welcome! Good to see you in here, and glad you're doing what you can to enjoy this place. :) BTW, are you the Niamhgold who writes fanfic? If so, I guess I better give you the long-delayed feedback I've been meaning to. (Don't have time to say much at this moment, but if you are that Niamhgold I'll finish later. For now, suffice to say that I have enjoyed your work.)

Shadowrider: Just for the record, you don't bore me. :) Say whatever you like, I'm glad we enjoy discussing some of the same topics (martial arts, TGS, Gargs, and so on). To answer a question of yours from earlier this week that I forgot about, I do like X-Files. Have since Ep 1, though I do agree with you it's not as good these days as it used to be. :(

Mr. Thrugg: Thanks for clarifying what you were saying in your comments concerning Gargs and BNW. I guess I responded to them without thinking about what you meant to say, only about my perception. Common flawed action on my part, I'm sorry for doing it again. :( Good hypothesis about the clan's societal evolution btw, I would like to respond to it but I'm not sure how to right now (it's also a several day-old topic and would probably get lost quickly given the pace of things in here. :( ). I will say, though, that in regards to whether it was nature, the influence of culture, or the result of stressful situations that helped open the clan to more of a democratic than a tribal relationship, I think it was probably a combination of all three to some degree. Sorry I don't have time to go into why (if you think about it, you can probably figure it out on your own :).

SOROW: Thanks. Glad I was able to help you along. :) You are also a good friend to me, for the record. <hugs back> I will be praying for you, both because of your recent injury and the captain competition. Good luck in the latter, and I hope you are in less pain (and have better days) real soon.

Christine: I'm excited about the manuscript too. Sorry to hear agents are continuing to reject it. <sighs> BTW, I checked out the new Sabledrake magazine and read your story and Warmpind's. Both were pretty good, though Warp's IMO needed a little work on charecterization and overall plot development and flow (guess I should say that to him, oh well, I'm sure he'll read it here :). Yours was at the usual level of quality, there's nothing I can really say about improving it. :) You and everyone else who contributed keep up the good work, I'll try to read and comment on the rest of the stories in the magazine when I have time.

SJ: <mutters> I hate Leo and Matt Damon too. Why people are looking to them over stars who deserve way more attention is beyond me. <sighs> Oh well, like someone said, we have to turn the new generation of stars in media sometime. However, if the new generation of stars is exemplified by guys like those two and girls like Julia Styles and Denise Richards (i.e. people who just look good and can't act worth a damn), I don't have high hopes for the films of the future. :( I agree with you about Disney, too. I didn't like Clerks that much (thought it had too much sex jokes and negative character interaction, like most of Kevin Smith's work), but no show deserves the kind of screwing over Disney gave it. No director, either, and especially not Kevin (some of his stuff has been great, despite the above-mentioned fault). <sighs> I hope Kevin finds grounds for suing the mouse, and wins <doubts it, but one can pray>.

Politics: Staying out of this as much as I can, because I prefer not to involve myself in all the mudslinging. However, I will say that I did vote for McCain in today's primary even though some things about him bother me (his stances on the minimum wage and abortion, as well as his pattern of lying and denying Jannie mentioned), because I decided I would rather see him in the White House than someone like Bush (Green Baron's most recent post, and Robby's comment about what qualifications Bush has, have already said why).

Abortion Deal: I don't really want to get involved in this debate either, since I mainly view abortion as something that should be kept private and not even discussed by anyone. :( My view on the issue is that I don't like it when abortion is done, since I agree with the whole "children have a right to life" deal and I also know that even with the procedure the woman ends up feeling pain for it like Cyborg mentioned (great pain in fact, I haven't known it firsthand, but I have a friend who's had the operation and felt the painful aftereffects. She may not have to take responsibility for her child now, but the image of who they might have been and what she did still haunts her every time she thinks about it...) But at the same time- who am I, or who is anyone, to force our opinions, beliefs, demands, whatever on others? Outlawing abortion would definitely do just that, especially since so many proponents of outlawing abortion have cited religious reasons for doing so. Patrick brings up good legal points too, which I am going to mention to the resident campus abortion protesters next time I argue with them. :) IMHO, abortion should never have become a political issue. It should be left to the people who are involved in the troubles that might require it to determine whether or not it should be done. I and millions of other people may not like the deed, but I think it would be much more civil, politically safe, intelligent, wise, and so on to not do anymore about it than speak out. The people who might want to have abortions could then take our comments into account when making their decision, but the choice in the end would be left up to them, as it should be in a free democracy. :) Kaioto has already covered my feelings on sex, creating a child, and taking the responsibility for it, as well as my feelings on the ethical issues of who should settle the debate (though I must admit, I can understand Sharp-tongued's rant, even if I would never agree with its viewpoints in a million years). That's all I have to say about that.

Robby: Mastered 24 fighting video games, huh? That's quite an accomplishment. :) Either that or you have way too much free time on your hands. <sighs> As a fighting game fan though not a frequent player anymore (the local arcade got rid of Soul Calibur, the only one I really liked), I guess I kinda envy you. :) I also agree with you about BNW and that awful Reunion Round Robin tale.

Jewel: Those guys on your tech support are boneheaded alright. Give them some extra what-for for me if they keep calling you, okay? :) Especially the flirting ones. Man, if I was in your shoes and somebody did that to me, they would so NOT be getting the help they needed. :) (BTW, just so you know, even though I agree with your attitude, I also agree with Revel about jobs in general. Who can do them better depends on the individual, not anything else. I also agree with SJ that standards should not be lowered just to make equality in jobs easier, as I've said before. I'm sure you believe this too, right? :) <jk>

*mild spoilers ahead*
Buffy and Angel This Week: Liked both episodes. The demons in Angel looked cool and had very nicely portrayed personalities as well. I liked the villains also, especially the female lawyer (who I wouldn't mind seeing again). Good developments on Cordelia (the computer scenes were hilarious, and it was great seeing her being resourceful again instead of inept), Wesley (so he CAN kick ass! :), and Angel (who had excellent development all throughout). The plot of the ep was sorta predictable, but still good. I give it a 7/10. Buffy, on the other hand, gets a 9/10. I enjoyed pretty much all of it. The Adam subplot was good in and of itself, and has much potential for being carried ahead into future episodes (I'm one of the few who likes how things turned out and could logically see it happening too). The Willow and Tara development was well-written, and so was the Buffy-Giles interaction. Faith shined in all her scenes, whether portrayed by Elisa Dushku or SMG. I liked all the developments that were done relating to her, especially her meanness to Spike and the scene at the end in the church. As SJ and Anne said, it's good that Faith's true nature is beginning to shine through her potential for evil action, and I too liked seeing her evolve throughout the ep (especially since it generated so many great quotes). My only problems with the episode were that the Council soldiers weren't very interesting as either characters or villains (and thus a disappointing comeback for the Council, whose activities I'm still wondering about a lot. Maybe another Slayer was somehow generated when Faith went into that coma and they're concentrating on her?), and that Spike, Anya, and Xander (my favorite characters) didn't get much screen time. Hope that changes soon, for Xander especially since he deserves more attention. Oh well, the ep was still very enjoyable, for the Faith development and scenes if nothing else. :)
*mild spoilers end*

Anne: Thanks for the response, and the prayers. :) May your weekend this time around be equally as good, without the flawed haircut and the jerks pointing it out. <grin>

6 yr old Shooting: <sighs> What is this nation coming to? I too am of course distressed by this happening, and that's all I'm going to say about it. I can't do anything about the instance, nor can I do much to help the child who did it since his parents don't sound like the type who would tolerate attempts. :( I guess I'll just pray for the kid, and all who have been affected by the tragedy he caused, at the same time thanking God that most children in this world don't have to suffer the damage of being raised by such people of the type that cultivated him. <turns away and cries alone for several long moments>

Doug sends his thanks to all those who delivered birthday wishes. If you're wondering, we both had a very good time at the celebration and especially afterwards. :) He'll probably list his birthday gifts next time he posts if anyone cares.

Green Baron: Thanks for posting your column, I think you did a pretty good job on it. :) Though your point was a little hard for a person not involved in political science to pick out IMO. :( Hope you keep having good luck with such postings, and will let us know when they happen in the future, as well as improve. $ We're not mad about you taking out Hilary, by the way, you have a right to your opinion of her. Doug and I too have been somewhat annoyed with the woman of late. :) Tell you what, execute Guliani and we'll call it even. I'm sure you can think of an appropriate method. :) $

Garg/Human Relationship: I think one could be possible too. Of course, I do have to say that, with all the fantasies I've had about one. <grins, rolls eyes> Not sure if I'd be that ready for one happening with myself or someone I knew IRL at first, but probably after a while, I would be able to deal with it. :)

Joe: Glad to know you're doing alright. Sorry to hear that you and SOROW were fighting, but I too am happy it's over now. :) As for your pregnant friend and what happened to her because of it, I'm afraid I don't have the time right now to air my full opinion on the episode. Nor do I want to be in the kind of mood such a rant could get me into when Doug's family could arrive here at any time. :( Therefore, I'll just say that I agree with you that it is a very bad thing for your friends' peers to have done that to her, and about the high school in general not supporting her like they should have. <sighs> I'm glad you and SOROW supported her and remained friends with her even through all that (as I think you did), and hope that your friend somehow is able to handle the unfortunate situation. If you speak with her, please let her know she's in my prayers. :)

<sighs once more> That's about all I have to say for now. I think I better go ahead and post this, just so I have time to get ready for the family visit. Will see all of you later, hope you have a good weekend. Stay civil and friendly, okay? :) Bye!

**RP RESUMES, SINCE THERE IS A LITTLE TIME**

In his secret base, Thailog listens to Alchemist's report of where the Ravens may be headed next and grimaces. "They must not ruin my designs this time," he declares. "The fools can mess with my megalomaniacal schemes all they want, I enjoy them as rivals, but my revenge on the Nielsen ratings people...Never!" "What are we going to do about them messing with it?" Donna Gardner asks. "It's not like we can stop them now." Thailog clenches his jaw and glares daggers at her. "No, but we can throw obstacles in their way. Kharsus!" "Yes, my lord?" the wizard asks. "Summon your most powerful elemental thralls and send them to create havoc in Los Angeles's Beverly Hills District! Meanwhile, I want you, Tyl, to send e-mails to several of the gangs in South Central that will create an incredibly brutal war between them. I'm sure you can find websites that will help you accomplish that." "Indeed I can," Tyl nods. "Not that I'll need them, of course. Gang leaders are generally very easy to manipulate." Thailog smiles. "Both of you do me the favor of ensuring that the elemental rampage and the war burn themselves out quickly once they flare. We want them to last long enough for the Ravens to get distracted helping the local police solve the chaos, but not so long that too much of the city is destroyed. Making the events go on too long could betray our hand to the world, and this is not a major part of our design." The group all nods, and then Kharsus and Tyl get up to carry out their orders. Thailog then tells General Zale to have his cloned troops assist Tyl in starting the gang war if necessary, and Zale gets up as well. Dahak also leaves to aid Kharsus in his summoning and gaining control of the elemental thralls. "By the way, Mr. Thailog," Donna Gardner says after they leave, "shouldn't we warn your friend Asil that your enemies are coming to attack her?" Thailog frowns, then nods. "Yes, I was just about to think of that. I'll call her now." He picks up the phone in his chair arm and dials Asil's hideout. Unfortunately, Asil and the DLG have already departed the penthouse to make a supply run and then attack the Nielsen building, so the call is not answered. Thailog frowns at the ninth ring and then hangs up and sighs, hoping the diversions his other minions are creating will be enough to help Asil accomplish her objective as the screen goes blank.

**END THIS INSTALLMENT OF RP**
Anonymous - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, March 3, 2000 05:50:49 PM
IP: pool-209-138-63-243.dlls.grid.net

Wilek: Deposit my sanity, eh? Is there a pick-up for it later? ;D If I may ask...what's the mistletoe?

Gside: My brain wasn't exactly in the right place yesterday--I meant to say FF8. I didn't mean to come off ignorant, because I've gone through VII and VIII, as well, and certainly know the difference! And, I think it's quite cool to own a bunch of posters of the characters. I was actually quite _flattered_ that my friend asked *me* to make a painting for him; sorry if I came off sounding a little harsh!

Revel: I feel for you on the midterm thing, my friend!

Ah, the weekend. The first time in ages that I _don't_ have to work on a Saturday! YESSS! It's fanfic catchup time!

**Takes out a bucket of "cheer" confetti and sprinkles it over everyone in the room** I shall return, but, until then: Have a wonderful Friday, everybody!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 3, 2000 04:16:46 PM
IP: ncia79n.ncia.net

Ok I decided to keep my big yap shut on the subject but now I can't.

If you all dont know by now but there have been four..count them four babies abandoned recently in the central Florida area(Don't worry they are all alive) One of the mothers was only 13.

Takes deep breath and rubs temples

WHERE THE HELLMOUTH ARE THIS GIRL'S PARENTS?! what kind of iresponsible trash doesnt keep their kid from getting pregnant at 13?! oy
Should these babies have been aborted? NO! already people have line up to adopt these kids. With good parenting they maybe future presidnets or one of them might find the cure to aids...unless that kid has already been aborted, but, ok I dont really believe in past lives,but in this case i believe the souls of aborted,stillbirth,and kids who died before they can atleast see jr hgih will be reincarnated. Get a second chance.

HARRY POTTER NEWS I read somewhere that the Sixth Sense Haley joel Osment is going to be cast as Harry... I don't know if he can pull a british accent but I liked his work so far. He was good in the movie and good as a cancer patient on Alley McStick.

Health News...well i'm healthy but recently my right foot..on the bottom of my foot above the heel near the center has been sore and hard to walk,painfull but not impossible. I'm not sure what to do either see a podiatrist or maybe a good soak in my mom's foot massager might help

TIME for the FAIR...Oy, I love the fair, I love the food especial the grilled corn on the conb that is soaked in butter and I LOVE the swing ride...its my favorite but if the people behind the fair and the people behind schedulain Spring break would get togethr. Sprin break begins the day after the fair ends?!...Wouldent it make more money if it was open at the same time as spring break?
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Friday, March 3, 2000 04:08:57 PM
IP: user-37kapcq.dialup.mindspring.com

For those of you that missed the "Talk to the Pros" chat last week at the Gargoyles Fandom Reunion, here's one of the chat logs (kindly hosted by Guandalug, one of our German fans -- Danke!) We hope to have a copy of the chat log up on the Reunion site as soon as RL slows down a little for us to do it.

Adoption>> I highly advocate adoption, having been through the recent adoptions of my neice and nephew. However, it can be difficult both emotionally and financially to adopt. My brother-in-law and his wife went through several agencies and two near-misses (cases where an unwed mother was talked out of giving up the child for adoption) before getting their first child. As result, they kept the second adoption totally secret from the family because the near-misses were so heart-breaking. We had no idea until they showed up with Andrew, that they were even thinking of adopting again. It was just one of those seredipitious events that happened to work out.
Spike
Friday, March 3, 2000 03:39:39 PM
IP: ppp09-42.ght.iadfw.net

*Warpmind enters, calmly.*

Wilek: Yeah, that sheet music stuff is confusing. Good thing I've got a good ear for music, then. :)

Revel: Ooo, you listed visiting me as a possible vacation goal. :)

Well, not much to comment on right now... I might be back later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, March 3, 2000 03:30:24 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Well it's Friday. The great thing is that next week is the last week before Spring Break. Unfortunatly this is also a double-edged sword because next week is going to be a pain in the a$$. All my mid terms are next week and I have a mid term portfolio due on either Tuesday or Thursday. My TA won't tell us who goes when so that really bites. @#$%*@!
WARNING BAD JOKE (if this is bad for your health bla bla bla skip it) These were comprised by a demon, a pegan who lives down the hall, my roommate, and my Resident Assistant.
Top ten vacation spots within a college student's budget.

10. Your campus swimming pool(you could always pretend it is a small lake)
9. Motel 6 on Lake Conroe (good view, cheap)
8. Parking your car on the San Jacinto river and fishing (been there, done that)
7. New York City (if someone else pays for it)
6. Visiting Warpmind as an exchange student(woohoo international travel)
5. Anywhere besides school
4. Louisiana (I usually live in Houston so it's not that far)
3. Six Flags (if enough people chip in for gas it's not so bad)
2. San Antonio (Because we all agree it just kicks a$$)
1. Home (BECAUSE IT'S FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!)

END BAD JOKE
Well I think I'll leave before the stoning begins.
Christine> thanks for for helping a computer idiot out.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Friday, March 3, 2000 02:48:35 PM
IP: spider-th082.proxy.aol.com

Click on my name!!! It's my Guest Column in my College newspapers :)

Enjoy :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, March 3, 2000 02:17:20 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

hello!!!! * ^_^ *

Green Baron> Well!! That Idea seems great! when your done withe US Congress, come on over and take care of all of ours! :P

Gside> Ah, not a prob, but now for some Mac promotion, ;P on a Mac it very easy to just go Cal�ope with the option botton, and most PC DO work with the ALT-code thingies, but the comps T use at the library are, how shall I put this....STUPID! I cant even do the @ symbol!!! *pants*...OK! I'm fine....alright...sorry for the rant! :P

Welik> Really?!?! Woohoo!!! Princess of Puerto Rico and world known royalty!!! So when do we get started!!! :P

Well, i must be off!!!! toodles! *HUGZ for all*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 3, 2000 01:24:16 PM
IP: 136.145.70.217

Green Baron & Archwolf: If we are comparing our Irish family trees, my Da was born and bred in Ireland. We are Curtin, with O'Sullivan on my grandmother's side. My Mom's a Fitzpatrick.

Gside: I didn't think you were being obscene, I just couldn't figure out what you were talking about. My dictionary was no help too. Thanks for the explanations!

Jannie: "I don't think it's the lack of people...in adoption and/or foster care" I agree with you there. Of course, you can call me a criminal or an anarch, but I just see the ways around the red tape. People can arrange addoptions and fosterings on their own. It's a very simple thing to transfer gardianship of a child- much easier than the adoption system and better for the child too. Only problem is that the mother/parents have to know someone who is willing and able to take the child. It's not a large problem though. My mother was adopted in that manner when she was a girl, and when I was younger, I had 'foster siblings' from that way too.

Mecord: I had heard something about a university teaching an AS like it was a child to learn more about psychology. I'm not sure where I heard it though.

Wilek-> the Beast question: I'd want my prince to stay a Beast. I would feel safer with a Beast to protect me. After all, (in the Disney version) didn't the Beast save Belle from that pack of wolves?

It's time for my 3000 mile check- up, but I'll be back later, Bye.
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Friday, March 3, 2000 11:55:00 AM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

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kitainia
Friday, March 3, 2000 11:08:17 AM
IP: pool-209-138-204-176-dlls.grid.net

**RP!**

[On the bridge of the Avatar... "Sir, we have another unauthorized arrival." Rho: "<sigh> And I thought the Dark Star's security problems were bad...What is it?" "It appears to be...a van? It just crashed through one of the interior walls, the gods only know how it got there, and it seems to be on its way to the hangar bay where the fighting is taking place."] GB> If I'm wrong here, then replace 'hangar bay' with wherever you have it headed to. :) [Rho: "Just wonderful...Any chance we can use the Borg's smart bomb again?" "The first use damaged it beyond repair." Rho: "Great. Where's Nereus' team? Fighting alongside the Ravens?" "Of course." Rho: "Have agent Miriam Baxter report to the armory; I'll meet her there. Oh, and tell her to stay out of the wider corridors..." With that, Rho leaves the bridge...]

**END**

Rodlox> <<how many words in human languages are produced because of the _lips_? if someone has a beak, that might not mean they don't have lips>> I always thought the edges of the beak *were* lips, or at least close enough in flexibility and general shape to act as such (whether or not that is their primary purpose).

SOROW> <> Ack...glad you've woken up at least, but the neck and back things *could* be symptoms of spinal trauma, and I don't even want to think about what might be causing the reading difficulties...hope these aren't as serious as I fear. O_O'

Fire Storm> <> Me as well; the cartoons are my favorite AvMists feature. (Second would be the Artists/Writers challenges. I always have a look at those, in the unlikely event that I might be able to actually do them.) <<Acutally UofM Ann Arbor made one about 6 years ago (Well... at least the hardware to do so.)>> O_O Wow...<speechless>

Mecord> $<<During that meeting a while back in the RP I got the idea was blast a superlaser through the portal and have the Dark Mage close it.>> Ah. I remember that, although I kind of got the impression that it would happen on the planet's surface...Guess I was wrong; wouldn't be the first time. ;) $ <<My favorite story was always Beuty and the Beast (though I liked the beast better as the beast not the prince).>> And I thought I was the only one. :) The Disney version of Beast (I've never seen any other, unless King's Quest 6 counts) is *way* kewler than his human form. I have to wonder--what is the logic in getting Belle to love him the way he is, and then changing his form when that happens?! O_o Ladies, which would you prefer (and gentlemen, which would you rather be): A puny weak hairless ape, or 300+ pounds of fur, fangs, muscle, and claws? Hm? <L>

Warpmind> <<Working a little on more detailed planning, bud.>> Thanks. ^_^ <> You too? I wish I could read sheet music; I could use my MID editor to compose a MIDI soundtrack for my fics...I'm musically inclined, but for some reason, that doesn't extend to actually *reading* the stupid thing. >:/

Caliope> <<Hey, do I get a high royal position for helping you be king of the world?! :P>> You get a high royal position just for being a fellow CR dweller. ^_^

Green Baron> <<Here's something you didn't knwo about Ross Perot. He and Larry King have a psychic link :)>> O_o Okaaaaaay...

Newcomers> Welcome! :D Deposit your sanity with Deuce, and be careful of the chibis, the tree, the mistletoe, the alligators, the direwolf, the xenomorph, anything I missed...

Anne> Darkart.de> WOW...<wonders how he can contact the artists and if they take commissions>

Gside> Page of stupid quotes> <LOL> *Great* stuff here...

Joe> <<one of my best friends is pregnant. And because certain rivals of her has the audacity to spread it all over school, she won't be able to finish the year with us.>> Ack...<sigh> This kind of thing is why I will someday dismantle the public school system...
Wilek Nereus
Friday, March 3, 2000 04:24:53 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

*Warpmind enters, a little rushed.*

Not much time, so I'll be brief.

Fire Storm: Hmmm... I see your point. Personally, I hardly ever pass up such a chance. Unless I can clearly see I was intended to make the joke (just as fun in certain situations).

Gside: I'll pass on that band thing. I seem to be something of a dyslexic when it comes to reading music. All those little dots and stuff confuse me... As for Chronotrigger, well, yes, I found that secret room in Ozzie's fortress, and yes, I got that superweapon for Crono made from the Rainbow Shell & the Sun Stone, and no, I didn't use save spots to save before I scrubbed the floor with Lavos, so I don't have the "New Game +" option after all. :(

Well, gotta run.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, March 3, 2000 04:09:49 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hey everybody. Things are starting to look a little better. The reason I was so derpressed two days ago was because I found out that one of my best friends is pregnant. And because certain rivals of her has the audacity to spread it all over school, she won't be able to finish the year with us. (high school is so stupid) SOROW and I also got in a fight that day, but things are better now:) Plus, the competition that she has been preparing for is coming pretty close so hopefully we'll have a little time to spend together before she has to prepare for her officer tryout. (It doesn't matter though cause it is pretty obvious that she's going to make captain) I'm so glad that there is a place on the net where I can just come and vent. You guys are great.
JOE BOXER
Friday, March 3, 2000 02:25:48 AM
IP: spider-tr011.proxy.aol.com

Rodlox-Robby's post to you on Thur. March 2, 2000 04:20:22 AM describes his teeth better than I could.
Jaden
Friday, March 3, 2000 02:24:13 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Jaden: thanks...you wouldn't happen to recall the shape of those teeth, would you? {conical/serrated/needle/?/other}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 3, 2000 02:13:30 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Rodlox-I remember two eps. when Brooklyn really showed his teeth. When Elisa first met the Gargoyles and when he was beaten up by his clone. Both times his teeth began at this beak and stretched back to his jaw.

Sorow-I would take reading difficulty as a bad sign. If it keeps up I would seek help soon. No need to take chances.

Fire Storm><<Do we really see the chances for peace and co-existence in real life, even though the answer is right in front of us?>> IMO sometimes yes and sometimes no. A person might pick up on it one time and completely miss it the next. If someone sees something that they don't understand, was taught to hate, or fear then most likely no one would see a peaceful solution until it was far to late. In the case of the four or five "The Planet of the Apes" movies they had a bunch of chances, but they never could get past old prejudices.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 3, 2000 02:08:50 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Sabledrake > oops ... I had the wrong link ... try this one: http://www.sabledrake.com/magazine.htm

Niahmgold > thanks! Becca loves her page, the little fantatic!

Lexy > didn't mean to hurt, hon, it wasn't directed just at you! I fully understand it gets under your skin.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 3, 2000 12:27:56 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

out of curiousity, will we be seeing/hearing more of the Tengu in the upcoming season(s) of Gargoyles/Timedancer/Dark-Ages ?? {the teachers-tricksters of Nipponese {japan} folklore}....though based on the reaction of Sata's clan, there may be eminity {a sore spot} between Gargoyles and Tengu/Karasu.

Rodlox - [Babnol]
Friday, March 3, 2000 12:25:12 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Gside: < <<the placental demons must die>>: Sorry, what? are you getting into embryology here? >
. actually, no, i'm not. Class Mammalia {mammals} has three sub-categories: Eutheria, Metatheria, and....drat, what was the third one? {Tricont-?}. the first means 'good mammals' {what did you expect when it's the group the classifiers are part of}, the second means 'middle' or 'half-way mammals' {marsupials}, and the third group is the monotremes {egg-laying mammals}.

placentals are the first group. {if you haven't already guessed that [much]}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 11:28:08 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Rodlox> phonetics: Getting rid of bilabial and labiodental phenomes would rid you of p,b,m,f,v, vioced and unvoiced bilabial fricatives (beta and phi in International Phonetic Alphabet), vioced bilabial trill (B), vioced labiodental nasal (m with a tail), voiced labiodental approximant (nu), and unvioced bilabial ejective stop (p'). This severelimits pronouncable English words.

Cyborg> <<Bilabia...labiodent, dent...?!what??>>: Don't worry, it's not obscene. I am currently taking a linguistics course and was trying to sound smart. Bilabial sounds are those made with both lips (important are the vioced and unvoiced stops there, b and p respectively), labiodental sounds use a combination of lips and teeth (f and v are the unvioced and vioced fricatives there).

Rodlox> <<the placental demons must die>>: Sorry, what? are you getting into embryology here?

Fire Storm> <<Keep uploading those MP3's. I enjoy them>>: Don't worry, I currently have the playlist for the next month planned out with logical steps between every song, and I haven't even started to run low.

Random Rutgers news: There was a pizza eating contest in McCormick (my dorm) tonight. Didn't win, but while the second place tie was deuling, I managed to bring my total up to a full pie (minus crust for the second half). And I just found out I made the page o' stupid quotes (http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~tfarrell/stupid.html)

Warpmind> <<Not too many bands that keep a seat open for an ocarina-player, are there?>>: Eh, we could probably turn you, most likely to a flautist. (And you'd be surprised, one piece I played actually had a brief ocarina).
<<one may want to have Frog on the Lavos Attack Force, and in that case you've at least got to check out Cyrus' grave>>: Not with my levels. If you want, I could add a *.zst to my directory so you can see just how easy it is. And did you find the hidden room in Ozzie's fort (for Magus's best stuff)?

Robby> <<Animaiacs. Amazingly educational AND fun>>: Always. And we do have some mp3s lying around here somewhere...

Cal�ope> <<Mr. Typo Man, Calliope with 2 ll's is in english, I'm Caliope with accent on the "i">>: So I am put in my place (though I think I did that at least one time before). Dang language barrier. Oh, and depending on the accent, it is either Alt-0236, Alt-0237, Alt-0238, or Alt-0239.

Green Baron> <>: Nor have I thought too much about it. I just don't despise or adore one party that much. And I rather agree with George Washington about parties, they're not worth the trouble (I wish I knew the quote, anyone have any good quotations pages bookmarked?).

Shadowrider> <<By the way, why does he send his "suggestions" ... only to Italian government and not to other countries' ones>>: Perhaps because he has more of a vested interest in how things turn out there?
<>: Yes. Every time the subject comes up, someone always seems to say that English has more irregular rules than other other language, which makes it so hard to get right.
<<Mr. Sinister: so you think he'd be better to call himself "nobody", isn't it?>>: I just have a penchant for literary allusion and think that it would be neat that Cyclops's nemesis was named after someone who blinded a mythological cyclops.

Niamhgold> <<the Final Fantasy game>>: That is rather vague. It's rather like saying "from the Shakespeare play." I always liked Celes, perhaps because Locke gets her in the end (my current wallpaper is Locke (it's all in the bandana) with Rachel and the Pheonix esper)

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, March 2, 2000 11:12:45 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Warpmind: <You had to make that joke about mutate chibis, eh?>
Well, you saw how many REALLY good bad jokes I passed up, so I HAD to make at least one!

Green Baron: <If a kid can carry a gun and shoot a girl, he can be tried as an adult, IMO.>
Normally I would agree with you on that, but since this kid is so young, I think he can still be re-habilitated. If he was tried as an adult he would spend the rest of his life in jail (possibly 60-90 years), which would put a good sized strain on the prison system. I say re-hab him until he is 21.

Starsinger: <The Media is a form of brainwashing. Either that or people are taking stupid pills now a days. >
True. I nearly forgot about that!

Mecord: <This is just my viewpoint at any rate, I may be wrong.>
I think that when a AS is first booted, it should be given basic audio and visual inputs and outputs so it can react with it's teachers. Network/internet access at this point in it's development would be a mistake.
I think that if the AS is taught the differences between right and wrong and how to react correctly to outside stimuli (not programed, but taught), then the AS should be given freedom of movement so it can explore the world further. At this point, Radio and Television access may be allowed, but with someone to help the AS diferentiate what is real and what is not.
After the AS can tell the difference between real and not, THEN possibly access to the internet (Probally not direct access, but through some input/output device like us humans use). At this point, the AS may actually show sparks of real emotion and they will have to be monitored. This would be the most crucial time in the AS's life because it will be recieving so much information, some of it contradictory, some of it purely biased. The thoughts it creates at this point will be the most interesting.
At this point, it probally knows about how computer intelligence is treated in movies: HAL, Shodan, Prometheus and Ash show humans distrust to computers, while Data shows how computers can take part in normal human life. It will probally form REALLY strong opinions now based on this info, and there is no way of telling how it would react. If it was taught the right values, it will make the right choices.
BUT if it shows that it is against humans for how they feel, well then, I am afraid the plug must be pulled.
Your opinions are nowhere near "Wrong." There is no wrong. There is room for every opinion on this topic, and in my opinion, every topic. I am just glad someone is responding to this topic, and I welcome deiffering viewpoints.
(Oh, and BTW, if you can't tell, I am pro-computer rights. :)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 11:07:48 PM
IP: t3-69.visitus.net

This is my first time in the Comment room so if thiis has been answered before, please keep your flamethrowers on safety. When will the next "season" of The Gargoyles Saga start? Timedancer's second season ended with a major cliffhanger.

Although those of us who have read the first and second seasons of gargoyles knows Brooklyn and Sata will be reunited, the big question is how long will it be for each before they reunite? Will Brooklyn be gone for subjective years and arrive back in the rookery 30 seconds after Sata collapsed, or will he not return to the Eyrie Pyramid until well after the twins hatch? Or somewhere in between? Inquiring minds want to know.
Matthew Sicherman - [MattS1@aol.com]
New City, NY, USA
Thursday, March 2, 2000 10:36:05 PM
IP: abda26a2.ipt.aol.com

I'm not going to address the abortion "debate". However, I've seen a couple of comments made about people not opening their homes to foster care or adoptions. If this was the case, why are the waiting lists several years long for adoptions? why are those fortunate enough to be able to afford adopting children from other countries doing so? The waiting lists aren't long because everyone is waiting for the perfect blonde hair, blue eyed baby either. Sure, the first request is to have a "perfect" baby - one without health issues... but isn't that normal? I know of several couples that would gladly accept a baby who has medical and physical difficulties if one was offered. The problem and reason for the long waiting list? First, with abortion being preformed more frequently - the "supply" (for lack of better term) is depleted. Second, more and more single moms are keeping their children and the highest percentage of abused and neglected children come from single parent homes. (No, not ALL situations are like that) Third, the cost is prohibited to most young couples. My niece's adopted daughter cost them over $40,000 - my daughter cost me $2,500. Last, the government involvement... court systems that return the child back to the natural mom/parents even though everything was done legally.....or mom's not allowing custody to be given in a foster situation - even though it's very evident that he/she is an unfit parent. Be a foster parent? ohboy... talk about a pain in the arse!
Until there are drastic changes made in our system, you won't see many people who are willing to take on the headaches and heartaches that it also requires in being a foster parent. Actually, people are willing to - they just get tired of the massive requirements and government interference. I understand the need for protection of these children, so I'm not talking about things such as that.
So no, I don't think it's the lack of people being so cold hearted and not interested in adoptions and/or foster care that's the problem.
Jannie
Thursday, March 2, 2000 08:29:10 PM
IP: 216-90-185-179.hou.port.mytelco.com

MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES TO THE PEOPLE I HAVE OFFENDED:
I think, perhaps, I should have been more responsible and waited to post when I was out of my..._itchy mode. Sorry, that was my fault. I wasn't thinking straight. I wasn't really trying to attack anyone. Men DO have a right to express their opinions. I was talking about the representatives on TV. About how every time I turned around and saw a debate over abortion rights, it was always pro-life MEN against pro-choice WOMEN. The men made it SEEM like they really didn't care about the woman as long as the baby survived. I don't think they did it on purpose, but because they were men they didn't really understand about the fear a young woman who's thinking about getting an abortion feels. All they talk about is the baby, which is VERY important, but they really never talk about how they're going to take care of the female too. And some young women seeing this will probably be like: "Well, screw them, I'm going to go pro-choice where they actually do care about me." and "How dare he?!! Of course it's easy for HIM to want to ban abortion, he doesn't actually have to give birth HIMSELF!" That's what I meant about it messing up the cause and turning woman off... It would be better for a woman who has been through this experience before, who knows what the other lady is feeling, to talk to her about the issue. She'll be more sensitive to the other's feelings, because she'll know what she's going through and reassure her properly. Whereas, a man might take her on a 'round-the-world-and-back guilt trip. I think most of the reasons why young women want to get anabortion is because they are afraid, not of responsibility, but for their own physical well being. They might have questions like: "What if something goes wrong while I'm giving birth?" "What if my baby is still-born and would be dead either way?" "What if "I" die while I'm giving birth?" "What if my baby is born with a horrible birth defect, and has to live in pain for the rest of his or her life?" They also would be frightened of the labor pains and discomforts they would have always been hearing about. An experienced woman would be able to say the pains and discomforts are a small price to pay for the pure and indescribable joy and love you feel when you hold that tiny body in your arms thinking about how that precious little soul, that little being came into to this world through YOU. A man would not be able to do that, he would only know how great it feels from HIS point of view. And no matter how much a man may THINK he knows about how a woman is feeeling and why she would think about getting an abortion, he really doesn't. No amount of teaching or books will give someone FULL knowledge on a certain subject. Experience is the only way you can gain that. There is not way to gain a GREAT knowledge about something than through that.

Anonymous
Thursday, March 2, 2000 07:34:20 PM
IP: dial89.b3.tnt4.sea.wa.freei.net

:: wanders in to in add a few comments on a controversial subject while the debate still seems somewhat friendly ::

I've always been curious how "make abortion illegal except in cases of rape, incest, and endangerment of the mother" could ever be fairly applied by law. How would one qualify for the rape exemption? Would there have to be a conviction of the alleged rapist / impregnator first? Knowing how slow our criminal justice system moves... what would be the point? The kid would be in preschool before final sentencing. And how about incest? Would the brother / father / uncle who did the dirty deed have to confess, and sign some sort of abortion permission slip so the doctor doesn't get in trouble when Big Brother reviews his files?

It treads mud over a whole SLEW of right-to-privacy issues... and that's a main reason I believe you'll never see any anti-abortion but with exceptions legislation ever go anywhere in this country. It's either going to be all or nothing... and if the idea of forcing a woman to carry to term a baby conceived out of rape or incest makes some people think twice about their stance on the issue... I think that's a good thing.

Of course, maybe once all the fervently anti-abortion folks out there step up to open their homes as foster or adoptive homes for unwanted children, more women will exercise their constitutionally protected right to CHOOSE not to have an abortion.

:: steps down off the soapbox and tosses a nickle into the hat ::

My two cents... keep the change.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, March 2, 2000 07:24:07 PM
IP: abdf4b3f.ipt.aol.com

**A bleary eyed elf stumbles in yawning**

Tiresome day at school, just woke up from a three hour "fifteen minute" nap. Can't stay long and I may not be back 'till monday (going to Salt Lake for the weekend), so I just wanted to make a couple replies.

Archwolf>> <what's your weapon?> Just the foil. My 'sheltered from the rest of the world' valley isn't big on variety. The fencing club here is new and I only learned of it's existence a few weeks before I first showed up in the CR. I enjoy it and throw all my effort physically and mentally to the task. This last time I just overstretched my abilities and wore myself out. My shoulder's still sore, but I love it. :)

Fire Storm>> <Why? Because of the movies? AS computers, when they are created, should be taught like children, such as the differenced between right and wrong. Plus, if they DO have restrictions on them, those very restrictions could make humanitys "children" rebel against it's "parents."> Partially because of the movies yes. An AS computer may not nesisarrily become rebelious because of it's limitations though. It depends much on how it's taught. Like you said it will be like a child. Children learn mainly by their senses. Senses will have to be provided to the AS. But with a computer it allready has a form of comunication programmed in. Just to teach the AS, it won't need legs and arms, or even network capability. Those will likely be experimented with later. But the AS computer may not even realize its limitations at first. If it has emotions, it may become jealous of the human ability to be mobile. But even if that is granted, it will likely have limitations (I'm thinking something like R2-D2 type mobility at first). AS computers will have a symbiotic relationship with humans. By teaching the AS right and wrong it may even become servile. If it is to gain a status of freedom, the AS will have to view its treatment as wrong. Because of the symbiotic relationship, it will have to have help in liberating itself at least in part with human help. If a sci-fi senario happens with an AS going berserk, it may be as simple to deal with as shutting the power and holding a siege untill the battery runs out. Did that answer your question? Or did I just complicate things further? Let me know. This is just my viewpoint at any rate, I may be wrong. Feel free to dispute.

GB>> Garg/Human My favorite story was always Beuty and the Beast (though I liked the beast better as the beast not the prince). I like to think that I'm open minded enough, that I would be accepting if found in a similar situation with another sentient species, be it beast Gargoyle or alien. Who am I to argue with love?

*Sigh* Now that I'm awake, I suppose I should do homework.
See ya!

**Mecord exits dragging his two ton bag of homework for the upcomming weekend**
Mecord
Thursday, March 2, 2000 07:19:11 PM
IP: usr35.mtwest.net

Fire Storm The Media is a form of brainwashing. Either that or people are taking stupid pills now a days.

Green Baron The wonderful sheep and the loveliness of the islands Are why I want the Shetland islands and the Hebrides. (Hopefully, he'll believe this explaination and not inquire too deeply about why I really want such remote, all be it, lovely islands.)

Yesterday a group of students in Socorroro detonated a pipe bomb. Instructs via the internet. There must be an easier way to get out of classes.

Auntie Starsinger
Anonymous
Thursday, March 2, 2000 06:35:09 PM
IP: proxy-393.public.rwc.webtv.net

Oops, wrong color...

BTW, the site also includes some pictures of the Alien from Alien3. AND...

I'm sorry this is so terribly belated, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOUG!!! ^_^
Anne
Thursday, March 2, 2000 06:30:39 PM
IP: 204-246-241-110.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Hi all! :)

Later I'll post more, but you all got to check out this creepy (but cool!!!) site. If the link doesn't work, go to http://www.darkart.de/

See ya later. :)
Anne
Thursday, March 2, 2000 06:26:33 PM
IP: 204-246-241-110.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Green Baron>Man, we gotta compair family trees...Great Grandpa was an O'Shea, Great Gramma was a McCan.

Mec>You mensioned a rough bout...what's your weapon?

Practice calls, but I may be back later
Sahde and Sweet Water

Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 05:24:13 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Sorry about the double post.

I was just wondering agian, when is the 'Timedancer' plot going to finally end up in Burma. By which I mean a story in conjunction with the LRP (Long-Range Penetration) 77th Indian Infantry Brigade under Orde Wingate.

P.S. The 77th was the first of the few guerilla units in Burma under the name of Chindits, from the Burmese word Chinde (a stone lion, temple sentinal).
Intrepid27665596
Thursday, March 2, 2000 05:02:11 PM
IP: ppp16056.on.bellglobal.com

Will some chap please inform me as to when the new season of episodes will commence.
Intrepid27665596
Caenarvon, Wales
Thursday, March 2, 2000 04:51:45 PM
IP: ppp16056.on.bellglobal.com

Christine: Just stopped in at Becca's Lexington page and I thought it was sooo cute!:) Nice wallpaper and wonderful pics!

Silverstar: I think you mentioned something about having crushes on cartoon characters? Well, I personally only had a crush on one once (I think it was on a teenage mutant ninja turtle in fifth grade ;}) but I have a guy friend who is absolutely obsessed with that Quistis character from the Final Fantasy game. So obsessed that he asked for an oil painting of her for his birthday. Now, I don't think there's anything _wrong_ with having a crush on a fictional character (it can help you decide what characteristics you might want in a real life mate), but when you get to the point of describing all females in terms of pixels and polygons like he does, then...yeesh.

Mandolin: Thanks! And, don't worry on not being able to catch up on my fanfics, because, frankly, I haven't gotten a chance to make that many more. My newest one is sitting in Wordpad, pretty much done, but I can't think of an ending!

(Still staying out of the abortion/political debate)...

See yas!

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 04:30:03 PM
IP: ncia113n.ncia.net

Well, I finally got to watch the first episode of Slayers yesterday. Lina is supposed to be my ideal anime mate?!? She's reckless, she's greedy, she's irresponsible, she's... just like me. ;)

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, March 2, 2000 04:01:26 PM
IP: ppp-36.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

David > Sorry! Dang, I knew I was forgeting someone! Everybody, go read David's serial! :)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 02:43:26 PM
IP: campc16.mrs.umn.edu

< Enters, by simply walking in this time >
So, it's me again.

Politics and abortion:> just a few words: don't expect any comment by me about these two topics. I simply don't want to be involved in a discussion about these topics, not in this Room. So, I'll not say anything about them and, if anyone will ask about them, I'll ignore the question. :-|

Green Baron:>Victor Emanuel? Do you mean the II or the III? :)
The Pope: of course, everyone has the right to send suggestions, and I'll never deny it! But what the Pope often does is different: by promising to support with his influence on certain people those politicians who will agree with him (no matter if they are sincere or simply ambitious), he interferes with the political life of my country, and I can't accept it! By the way, why does he send his "suggestions" (and giving "suggestion" to discriminate homosexual people or non-Catholic believers is a bad thing to me by itself) only to Italian government and not to other countries' ones?
Milano:it is about 600 km north of Rome
Cromwell: well, according to the Story as I studied it, he was for sure a very strict follower of Puritanism and some of the things he did may seem cruel or unpitiful, but the impression I had was that he tried to do what he believed it was necessary for his country's people: not RIGHT, but NECESSARY. He killed King Charles I (who was a liar and a betrayer) in order to stop a new civil war; he exhautorated the Parliament that himself helped to enstablish as he realized that Parlamentarians did not care people's needings; as Lord Protector, he pursued a wise politic of renewing and social equality. Well, I agree that he persecuted Irish Catholics (it was not necessary-he could defeat them without any massacre) and I blame him for this, but I think in complex he was the man that Great Britain needed at that time. The fact he refused to become King is, as far as I'm concerned, a sign that he was not ambitious for himself, but only determined to do what his country needed. At least, it is what I read on history books. The topic is interesting, anyway, and if you want we could discuss about it more.

Silverstar:>Do you think it is weird having a crush on a cartoon character? Well, not really...I had A LOT of crushes on cartoon female characters (AND comic books female characters, novels female characters, etc.) ;)

Gside:> I agree, it is always better to apologize in advance. Anyway, I'm not sure that formal rules and small details to be actually unimportant. You're right, I have to practice irregular verbs (you think you have a lot? Italian verbs are almost ALL irregular) ;)
Mr. Sinister: so you think he'd be better to call himself "nobody", isn't it? Well...it's better than Mr. Sinister of course...hey, I admit it is not a bad idea.

Wilek:> I really don't know if I'd like to have a beak :-\. Anyway, I meant that Brook's appearance ia rather different not only from humans, that's not strange, but even from other gargoyles. Brooklyn himself, in TGS' "Equality", remembered his difficulties with his rookery sisters 'cause of his beak.

Fire Storm:> I'll keep considering you a potential cyborg. If you cahnge your mind, let me know.

Robby:> Whoa, I'm really impressed (really!). Just consider that I never even heard about a good half of the games you mentioned. :). As I said, my preferred games are RPG, flight simulators and, most of all, strategy games. I mastered a tenth of them, both real-time and turn-based, all of them without cheating. Some titles? Well, Dune 2 (Rather prehistoric, but I couldn't avoid mentioning it), Warcraft (I & II), M.A.X., Dark Colony, Dark Reign, StarCraft, StarCraft:Broodwar and others. My preferred ones? Well...Starcraft (both original and Broodwar) and Dark Raign.

Ragga, se vedemu!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, March 2, 2000 02:30:13 PM
IP: h213-18-188.mi2.albacom.net

RP WARNING!!!
**Now that some machine has been discovered, Attila presses some numbers into his cell phone and a black van breaks through a wall in the Avatar.
Guess who's joining the fun :)**
END RP for now!!!

Mandolin> I take it you like that movie.

Caliope> Well, I'd rather have fools who get nothing done than a bunch of clowns who act like Santa Claus and try to give everyone everything with all sorts fo deranged pork-barrel projects. I beleive we should line up the biggest spender in Congress every year and shoot him/her. Once we pay off the National Debt, that practice can be ended :)

Robby> I agree with the being greedy an dmaking money, but I also beleive its important to give soem of it away to help those with less, but an even better way to help the poor is to invest it and expand businesses so that more jobs can be created.

JEB> I banish you to Newfoundland, bye :)

Bengali> Well, either one is better than Al Gore, the whore of the AFL-CIO :)

Archwolf> Fourth Generation? My great-grandmother Delia McCan, came to NYC from Belfast, and her father was a judge which was a very high position for a Ctaholic in those days. She had a private investigator go to Frankfurt so she would have proof that her future husband was Catholic. talk about an amusing ancestor :)

Mec> garg/human. Why not? My fanfics will have that :)

Lexy> I've neevr expected you to be that mad. I jsut hope you watch that temper before I see you and Kai on an episode of COPS ;)

Fire Storm> If a kid can carry a gun and shoot a girl, he can be tried as an adult, IMO.

Wilek> Here's something you didn't knwo about Ross Perot. He and Larry King have a psychic link :)

Gside> I never thought that much about party and all. I just picked one party because I don't like the otehr major party :) I do wish the GOP would stop asking me for money, though.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, March 2, 2000 02:09:15 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Oh, one last note ... about Bando ...

I think I threw some people off because I said it was Brazilian. That is a bold-faced lie. I got its nation of origin confused with Capoeira (African/Brazilian Dance-Fighting). Bando is actually a Burmese martial art, made famous at one time by Britain's Gurkha soldiers.
Toku Kaioto
Thursday, March 2, 2000 01:53:33 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

SJ: I like your posted and all. But I have to disagree with you on one thing. Not everything is opinion, and not all opinions are as valuable.

Certainly, I'll agree that everyone's right to an opinion is absolute and immutable.

I will not agree, however, that everyone's opinion is equally valuable in other context. Certainly, as rational animals, we learn through process of reason. In the context of learning and self-improving, things which supply an avenue of rational analysis are much more valuable than those declarations with no backing to analyze. If a discussion has any productive value beyond making noise, than those opinion without explanation and justification are only useful as an opinion-poll statistic.

Rationally presented arguments can be analyzed, evaluated, improved, or disproved. Flat-stated opinions with nothing coherent presented to back them up can not. In this sense, opinions which are but up in the line of fire with their founding principles and reasoning are Far more valuable than opinions without justification. One you can learn from, one you can not.

Of course, not everyone wants to learn from a discussion. Some people just like to yell and argue and make a scene. Some people want to feel good about themselves or make others feel bad. Some people want to assert themselves or just here themselves talk. (Like me ^_^) But my person view on opinions and discussions is to give value based on how well a statement contributes to learning and growth. In that sense, informative statements and rational arguments will always be more important to intellectual discussion than those without basis for analysis.

While the right to an opinion is equally entitled to all people, the utility of each statement of opinion is NOT necessarily equal in value.

The second thing about SJ's post that I wanted to note is that I think ~ some ~ of us here DO think that abortions should be illegal except in that less than 1% of cases of rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother. I view it as murder of convience, and that's my opinion.

There have also been some perfectly rational arguments to prove that in our legal system you do not have the right to do anything you darn well please with your body, either, male or female.

There is also a wonderful logic construction I came across having to do with the definition of the human body via genetics that eventually establishes that a fetus is not part of the woman's body in a scientific view.

Basically, each human being has their 46 chromosomes related to all tissue that is part of their body, and sex cells which have only 23. The fetus does not have the same 46 chromosomes as the mother's tissue, and thusly is not part of her body. This is why mother and child may be of differing blood type and tissue-donor incompatible � because the fetus is not part of the woman's body. Thusly, by this definition, abortion is a medical procedure performed not on but IN a woman's body upon the body of the fetus.

Oh, and about the fetus as a parasite, it could be more accurately called a symbiote, because it allows the mother to complete a natural function with defines a species: viability. The fetus allows the human adult to spawn (regardless of whether they Want this ability or not), and is thusly a symbiote, not a parasite.

Beyond that, welcome to everyone who is new around here. I've been really busy getting ready for midterms so I haven't had the opportunity to get to know folks.

$On that note, I'm just too swamped with work and all these new faces in RP, so I'm going to take a break for a while until things simmer down a bit. Bona Fortuna. ^_^ ,v.. $

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, March 2, 2000 01:51:04 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Jessie Feff> Don't forget me. My ego's to fragile to take that kind of abuse. Changeling Seed, my serial novel, is running in Sabledrake until some time next summer.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, March 2, 2000 01:23:24 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Just finished with the new issue of Sabledrake. A great job was done by all. Great stories by Warpmind, Stephen Sobotka, and Christine (uh, trying to remember if any other contributors post here...) Anyway, stop over and see it!

Brooklyn > sharptongue'd mentioning him earlier reminded me of how much I was surprised when I learned what a fandom fave he was. I never disliked him, but I always thought he was one of the dullest characters on the show. Of the Trio, I think Broadway had the best developed personality, then Brooklyn, then Lex (poor Lex got shortchanged). Still, even with Lexington's development being less than Brooklyn's I still found him more interesting. Brooklyn was always just, uh, there. But he never intrigued me. So when I first discovered the internet fandom, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I found out that Brooklyn seems to be the favorite character.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 12:54:54 PM
IP: campc14.mrs.umn.edu

::walks in from yoga, radiating peace..stretches.... stretches again...::

I love yoga.

But anyway...

Sharptongue'd: Well, this seems to be quite an emotional subject for you. May I ask if it's because of experience (through a friend, family memeber, etc)? Don't need to answer in detail, just curious.

Personally, i'm pro-choice. Why? Because you never know the circumstances behind it, you can't ban it. I'd rather it was strictly controlled and frowned upon.. that it be totally unavaible... *nightmare visions of dark alleys and hangers* I also think that counseling should take place from day one of the pregnancy if the situation is extreme enough that the couple wants an abortion. That way, the couple (there should be a couple. Took two for a conseption, ne?) knows all of thier options. Men have a right to their children. Not all are deadbeat dads. I'd rather the father has full rights to the child after it's born than it be aborted by the mother's decision.
Also, adoption should be foremost, so we don't have idiots with fourteen children because of fertility drugs. If only we could crack down on some of this bueracratic bull *coughs instead of curses*.

Just some thoughts...

*goes into Child's pose and starts oming...*
Mara Cordova (not submissive, just in Child's pose) - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 12:46:17 PM
IP: spider-tp022.proxy.aol.com

This is unbelievably belated: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Doug! **smacks her creativity demons before they can attempt to sing** Don't even think about it; I don't want to alienate the entire CR.

Niamhgold> Welcome! I love your fanfics (esp. "Earth, Water, and Air"), although I haven't kept up since "What Sorcery Is This?" (I'm behind big time on my fanfic reading in general.)

Off-topic but still interesting> I plan to be camping out at the chapel here at 6 pm. At 7 pm, Patch Adams (yes, the real Patch Adams) is speaking in the Hood chapel, and I know it's going to be packed as anything. I'm hoping for at least a back row seat as long as I don't have to go into the basement and listen on speakers. **crosses fingers** Here's hoping.

It's noon, and I've got a lot of paper-writing to do, so that's all...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 11:53:37 AM
IP: 144.175.20.22

Hi!!!

Niamhgold> Your the master?! Really?! And I'm the Typo Queen!!! Nice to meet ya! :P

Green Baron> Yes, the do act like fools, and thats always fun, the prob is, you yourself admit, that there are fools running your country are your depending on them to "take care" of your problems, thats whats not funny. Besides that, yeah, a riot, but I still dont like fake and hipocritical ppl and that pretty much describes most ploiticians. :P

Wilek>Well!! Can do!, Why, Alex and I already had plans for being the princesses of Puerto Rico where our loyal subjects would kiss our boots and lick the ground we walk on!! Hey, do I get a high royal position for helping you be king of the world?! :P

Gside> Semi-witty my foot! :P *crys out* I've just been used as a topic trampoline!!!!...The udder disgust of it all!!!!....OK! I'm over it! Oh, and Mr. Typo Man, Calliope with 2 ll's is in english, I'm Caliope with accent on the "i"...wich I cant do at this comp, is in spanish!...HA! Ok, I'm finished now, bye hun!:P

Gotta get! See ya guys!

Caliope
Thursday, March 2, 2000 08:02:30 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

thanks to everyone who's replied about Brooklyn's cranial structure so far.....it helps a lot!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 07:52:23 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

ROBBY - Um, actually, John Adams was the second president. The third was Thomas Jefferson.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 2, 2000 07:07:20 AM
IP: 216.87.46.101.dialup-stl.primary.net

Got home from my mentor meeting today and konked right out asleep. So now its 2:30 in the morning and I'm up. *Shrugs*

Aaron- The next issue of GD is gonna kick some serious tail from what I've seen...

Abortion- I doesn't exactly affect me, so I don't think about it honestly. Kinda an egotistical view, but this really *IS* a matter that doesn't affect me in any way. If it ever does, THEN I'll come up with an opinion.

Politics- Also doesn't affect me much. but I figure I need to take a view and vote at some point, though I don't have a clue who for. Almost a pity I turn legal voting age this time around, I'd rather still be 17 come vote time and thus not have to make a choice. Perhaps I'll make a write in nominating Pikachu. (Pikachu for president! If kids could vote, he'd win!)

By the way peeps, as CR Admin, I'm quite pleased that you all basically kept the topics under control and didn't start any flame wars over them.

Shadowrider- Two dozen or so fighting games, yup, I've mastered them. On the other hand most of those are Capcom, so I don't think they all count. Lets see, Street Fighter 2, Championship Edition, Turbo, New Warriors, New Warriors Hyper fighting, Alpha, Alpha 2, Alpha 3, SF 3, SF 3 second strike, SF3 third strike, Night Warriors, Darkstalkers, Nightwarriors 3, X-Men, X-Men versus Street Fighter, Marvel versus Capcom... Then outside of Capcom there's the first three Mortal Kombats, Virtua Fighter 1-3, Battle Arena Toshinden 1 and 2, SOul Caliber, Killer Instinct, Fatal Fury 1-4, King of fighters 95-99, ... There's more I think, but I've grown rusty on all the 3-D fighting games, I much prefer 2-D. My favorite fighting game ever is probably STILL Darkstalkers, although it gets boring because no one ever beats me when I'm the werewolf, Jon Talbain...

Green Baron- Atlas Shrugged is hard to paraphrase, but near as I can tell its 1200 pages dedicated to saying that earning your money, beeing greedy, and giving away nothing, not even to your own brother, is a good thing.

Gside- John Adams was the third president. John Quincy Adams was number six. And its Andrew Jackson's butt he kicks, so Jackson learns to play politics, next time he's the one the country picks. Hmm. Animaiacs. Amazingly educational AND fun.

Doug- A wee bit belated, but Happy Birthday!

And incidentally, as I've said before, as long as Chris Claremount writes the X-Men, Cyclops will REMAIN dead. Near as I can recall, during his entire 17 year run previous, whenever he killed someone off, they STAYED dead. It was later writers who resurrected Jean Grey and Medelyne Pryor and... WHoever else. But Claremount is a good writer, and I trust him not to pull any ressurection BS.

Southpark Movie song be censored for award show- HAAAAA! HAH HA!

Rodlox- We saw throughout the series that Brooklyn does indeed have teeth. Two very defined sharp ones in front on the top and another two on the bottom, much like the teeth in humans used to tear meat. In the back of his beak he seems to have a full rom of ordinary teeth, which indicated to me at least, he has an ordianry set of teeth, the beak just sort of covers them up. He also has lips at the end of his beak. (Or at the very least, the front of his beak is VERY flexible.)

Sharp Tounged- I have to pretty much agree with what Lexy and SJ said.

Could a gargoyle/human relationship be possible- For me at least, as someone who's loved the ideas of furries and such for as long as he can remember, heck yeah!

Some TGS news- I just read the finished version of the first episode of Timedancer season 3, and I completed and colored the illustrations a couple of days ago. It looks good, and its release is coming closer. Timedancer season 3 is fully on track, and from what I've written, read, and helped plan, I know its gonna be a great season.
Robby
Thursday, March 2, 2000 04:20:22 AM
IP: spider-ti041.proxy.aol.com

*Warpmind peeks in.*

Well, I see there's an Abortion discussion on. I'm pro-choice. Let's leave it at that.

Shadowrider: Sssshhh, it's not an incident I'm proud of. It was an accident, y'hear?

Aaron: True, you did. Care to do some corporate cleanup? ;)

Doug: It's your birthday? Well, then, happy birthday! *Doug is assaulted with hugs from chibis Maggie, Talon and Benjamin (the little tyke is growing fast).*

Rodlox: Judging by the animated series, Brooklyn's beak functions pretty much like a set of very fat lips. He's been seen smiling, frowning, talking, so, all in all, I think we may assume his beak to be prehensile. And he has teeth.

Green Baron: The Dishrag Affair was an accident, damnit!

Gside: Never been in a band, period, I'm afraid. (Not too many bands that keep a seat open for an ocarina-player, are there?) As for the Chronotrigger stuff... Not necessary, but fun. Particularly, one may want to have Frog on the Lavos Attack Force, and in that case you've at least got to check out Cyrus' grave. And then there's the Sun Stone reference; BTDT.

Wilek: I know Brooklyn's nose is really just a small nub on top of his beak. I was just repeating a joke told frequently by Spike in her 'fics. ;) Working a little on more detailed planning, bud.

Rodlox again: You can't get to Sabledrake Magazine? Go to http://www.sabledrake.com and click on the Sabledrake Magazine logo (Top left, I believe). There ya go.

Fire Storm: You had to make that joke about mutate chibis, eh? Oh, well, it's a current issue... >;)

By the way... Michael Heitz: Love your cartoons. Latest set, I believe my favorite must be where Elisa is patching up Goliath... :)

Archwolf: Not the Irish mainland? Drat. And Kilkenny is my favorite brew... can't beat the Red Irish... *Sigh* Oh, well, I'll just have to keep paying over 4$ per bottle, then...

Well, gotta go. Bye.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, March 2, 2000 03:14:46 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Look, I'm sorry I brought the blasted topic up, okay? Had I actually thought it through before posting, I wouldn't ever have brought that in. Again, I apologize.

And I thank those of you who listened to my request. Those who didn't... please please please please keep it civil, okay?

*leaves, hoping he hasn't any need to come back in again*
JEB
Thursday, March 2, 2000 02:11:13 AM
IP: 129-2-231-62.student.umd.edu

Ooooooooh, RP tomorrow. The rigors of college have overcome me yet again, and it's so late it's not even funny.

But first things first.....DOUG'S done had himself a BIRTHDAY!!!!! HIT THE MUSIC!!!!
***Several dozen beautiful women enter the CR, two of them wheeling in a huge cake bearing the number "21". SJ straps on a party hat.
"Okay, let's get going! We got presents to unwrap, cake to eat, and stuff to do! First, the entertainment! I have a special surprise for you all.....I've arranged for world famous dwarven actor Mini-Me to pop out of the cake! Take it away, Mini-Me!"
Several seconds of silence follow, with no sign of Mini-Me.
"I said, take it away, Mini-Me!"
Again, silence.
"Bloody hell. Chibi-Junior, get your butt in here!"
Chibi-SJ walks in, dressed in a chef's outfit. His oversized hat was stained with frosting. "Whadda ya want, boss?"
"Where the hell is Mini-Me? I thought I told you to stick him in the cake and wheel him out here!"
"Well, I was gonna do that," Chibi-SJ explained. "But I figured I'd save time by sticking the little guy in there before I baked this baby. That way I could just take it right out of the oven and--"
"Oh my.....Chibi, please tell me you didn't do that."
"What?"
"You COOKED him?"
"I thought it'd save time!"
"Dear...DEAR GOD! Somebody get the jaws of life!"
"He *might* be okay. The oven was only set for 350."
"Just dig, okay?! And pray the little guy doesn't have a good lawyer."
***ANYWAY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOUG!!!!! :)****

I feel I must make one final comment on this whole political/abortion debate, seeing as I am the one responsible for it in a round about way. After all, even though JEB interjected the topic of abortion, it was I who iniated the discussion about politics and political candidates. Let me begin by saying that several people have contributed very good, valid opinions on both sides. The thing to remember here--it's ALL subjective. One person may not believe in abortion, the other may, and both beliefs are valid.

I would also like to thank Kaioto for his commentary. Whether one agrees with him or not, he is always eloquent in his writings. ;)

Sharp-Tongued: *sigh* Okay, here's the big problem I have with your little rant. I don't really recall anyone in the room specifically saying that they think abortion should be banned. To my knowledge, several people (myself included) disagreed with abortion being a moral act. That's an *opinion*, a belief. I do not believe anyone came in here waving a big flag saying "Ban Abortion". People simply voiced their OPINION on the matter, and if you fault them for that then you're setting up a very dangerous double standard by holding your own opinion that abortion is "right" above their opinion that it is "wrong". No male in the room was trying to assert that they "own" the female body--they were merely stating their *opinion* upon whether abortion was a moral act or not. Whether it was "right".
Furthermore, the "you can't comment because you haven't experienced it" defense is so mind-numbingly ridiculous that it's difficult for me to find words to express my feelings. That's utterly ridiculous. EVERYONE has the right to express a valid opinion on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, regardless of personal experience. True, women may technically be more "qualified" to discuss the topic of abortion because it is their bodies. But to say that men have no right to comment on the matter.....that's just unbelievably naive. EVERYONE can express an opinion on a subject, and everyone's opinion is just as valid. To say that men can not express their feelings on the subject because they don't get pregnant, etc., is just completely unfounded. It'd be like me (a male) saying to you (a female), "Don't you dare comment about prostate cancer! You have no right, you just don't know!" You don't have to have personal experience on a subject to possess a valid opinion. If such a prerequisite was involved, ALL of us would probably be totally excluded from giving our opinions on certain matters. I was not part of the Holocaust, but I can talk about how horrible it was. I wasn't around in the Civil War era, but I can discuss how wrong I believe slavery is (and was in that era). And I can sure as hell express my opinion as to whether I believe abortion is right or wrong. You may disagree with that opinion, but no one should dare try and tell me I have no right to that opinion.

Women and Equality: I think some of you misunderstood my posting--if you read it again, you'll see I was playing the devil's advocate. I personally feel that women can perform virtually every job a man can just as well, and in some cases exceptionally better. True, women as a whole are not necessarily physical in their vocations (for instance, you don't see too many female construction workers), but there are many females who are absolutely qualified for filling such positions as firefighter, soldier, police officer, and the like. I believe women are equal to men, and hope that one day soon their paychecks will reflect this (as we all know, women are still severly underpaid in comparison to their male counterparts). In my initial posting, I was just trying to stir up some discussion. I guess it worked ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 01:44:39 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Quickie post

Welcome to all newcomers!

Happy Birthday Doug!

The poll>I think I'd choose to become a mutate, I like the idea of being able to fly and not having to turn to stone during the day.

Politics>I dont like McCain, he strikes me as a nutcase, trying to use his war record to make himself seem like a war hero. Even though I dont like him, I think that Bush is probably best qualified to lead this country.

Bye!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 01:35:16 AM
IP: spider-ti032.proxy.aol.com

*Staggers drunkenly into the room, majking a show of raising the 3rd sheet to the wind*
Doug> M'boy, welcome to adulthood. Had one (or three) for ye at the bar, and feelin good fer it.

Warpmind> Actually, Warp M'boy, I am one of Ireland's Lost Sons. I live in the 'States, cut off from the home that calls t'me blood (hey just cause i am 4th gen in the statess doesn't mean i long any less for irelands green horizons). I can get ye a good deal on german beer, though. Besieds, I am more of a Tullemore Dew person, Myself. To hell wi the royalists.

Got into a discussion with a chem prof. We started talking about writing....he shot down the shrot piece i showed him...sitting here with 'Bull S**t written on a bar napkin under my brief passage. *Knew there was a reason i didn't seriously consider writing a fan fic* *War Frost shakes his head sadly, then leads the less than sober Archwolf out of the CR* Got lab tomorrow, so see ya;ll laters
Shade and sweet water
archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Thursday, March 2, 2000 12:43:23 AM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

**Mecord zips in between chapters of reading material from school**

$Wilek>> During that meeting a while back in the RP I got the idea was blast a superlaser through the portal and have the Dark Mage close it. But incase I was wrong ignore it. Consider it a lame cover story by the elf when he gets back. I just needed a good excuse to get him off the station and leave the dragon.$

Could a Gargoyle/human relationship really happen? I most definitely think so. Personally, I could see myself falling in love with a female Gargoyle. I could even see myself proposing marraige to her (albeit a very private marraige). I don't think it strange to have a crush on a cartoon character, but then, I once had a crush on a girl in a book.
Mec
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 11:48:04 PM
IP: usr57.mtwest.net

Gside: MP3: Cool! Particle man! I was just thinking about that song the other day! (Just listened to it. Is that the complete song? I thought it was longer... oh well...
Keep uploading those MP3's. I enjoy them!
< but is it actually connected to anything and does it perform any actual fundtion?>
It just send some temperature data back to a computer. It was as functional as Sputnick 1 was.
<isn't that redundant? And wasn't it Doom?>
Yes on both counts.
<Who ever said "our." I said I would use my own tech.>
Stuff is always better when you make it yourself, right?

Jaden: <they don't know if the gun went off by accident or not.>
Sorry. Not.
That kid needs consuling.
<In every movie they had a chance for peace and co-existance, but they screwed it up everytime, even though the answer was right in front of their faces and was practically screaming at them. >
I think that was the point. Do we really see the chances for peace and co-existance in real life, even though the answer is right in front of us?

Warpmind: < A word of advice: NEVER EVER bring chibi mutates to a pizza restaurant.>
Thats absolutely shocking! (Hey, I need at least one bad joke a week!)

Doug: <Hopefully his parents will handle him appropriately.>
You mean his father who is in jail for parole violation, or the mother who was evicted from her house, so she sent her son to live with his uncle (who, BTW, sold drugs out of his house)?
Needless to say, the child has been temporaly given to his aunt (A compotent one.)

Ok, maybe I phrased it wrong (Ok... I DID phrase it wrong.). This CR is more for enjoyment, and the other CR is more for serious discussions.
<Forget where it's from (first place I heard it was in Doom), but I do remember what the acronym stands for. :) >
Ah. Good. BFG 9000. Used 50 plasma rounds, if I remember correctly.

Proof readers:
Yes 5
No 2

jenna: <Hope that answered your question>
Oh yes. And thank you for answering.

Cyborg: <WARNING! Do not become a cyborg with our technology.>
I plan on waiting, seeing how everything develops, and even doing my own research into creation and neural interfaces before I truly have the doctors put those implants/replacements in.
(And I agree with Gside <See above>

Shadowrider: <You mean putting your brain in a cyber body with the shape and features of a gargoyle?>
Actually, I meant being a gargoyle who has cybernetic enhancements done to him. (AKA "Future Tense" Lexington)
But keep me cyborg. Besides... the more I think about it, the more I realize that the best choice would be a cybernetically augmented battle suit. What better way to select actions than with a thought?

Michael Heitz: <I'm just dropping in to say thanks a lot for all the support I've been getting for my cartoon in the recent Avalon Mists.>
I know those are the first things I read in Avalon Mists.

Mecord: But what if the creators were FOR the rights of both the artificially created Gargoyles and the AS computers?
<because the creators will likely give it limitations in its freedom that will make it difficult, if not impossible to escape its predicament without human aid. >
Why? Because of the movies? AS computers, when they are created, should be taught like children, such as the differenced between right and wrong. Plus, if they DO have restrictions on them, those very restrictions could make humanitys "children" rebel against it's "parents."

Niamhgold: <You know, one of those days when you can go against the laws of physics and actually fall *up* a flight of stairs.>
Ow... been there. Done that.
<Yep, good old Northeastern USA. Where the winters don't end and everyone's always saying "summer's just around the corner...">
Hey, here in Michigan we had Spring last week... and possible snow tonight.

Rodlox: <Is Brooklyn's beak prehensile?>
That is the writers choice. Mostly, yes. I say it is like a bird beak covered with skin and mussles.

Green Baron: 
Hey, all sounds good to me! :)

Silverstar: 
Love conquors all? But I think it is possible. A few decades ago the arguement could be made for inter-racial couples, and look where we are today.
Truly, I think that Elisa probally would because her parents are pretty bi-racial, so I think she would be a little more open to the possibility.

Wilek: <genuine cybermechanical nerve link...>
Acutally UofM Ann Arbor made one about 6 years ago (Well... at least the hardware to do so.)

Lexy: <<----------- would NEVER leave his kids behind (when he has um') ;)>
I have to agree. I really don't think that any of the trio would leave their kids behind.

Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 11:44:15 PM
IP: t2-50.visitus.net

Doug> You didn't warn me first! Okay, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Here's your present from the Paddle Woman...sorry if I miss a couple of times, but I'm recovering from head trama :)

GB, Aaron, Jaden, Wilek, silverstar, and others> Don't worry, I'll be fine in a few days. I woke up this morning (thank GOD) but I still can't move my neck and my back hurts really bad! But I'm still alive! I'm having some difficulty reading though. But thank you for the thoughts and prayers. *hugs*

FireStorm> I'm glad to see you back!

ATTENTION: All March birthdays...post your dates for my spanking calendar.
SOROW
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 11:22:56 PM
IP: dll2a020-1079.splitrock.net

is it just me? i can't seem to link to _Sabledrake_Magazine_. {and i wanted to see what everyone was saying was so good}.....now i may never know.

{note: and NO, that was not an insult or sarcasm!}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:50:03 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

is this a private RP? if it is, then ignore the following....

Rising from the ground, a dinosaur emerges to take part in the battle. A Baronyx {'Heavy claw', like a t-rex with a croc head, and superbly developed forelimbs} walks out. This is Rodlox.

The chill wind of the Montana Badlands is unfelt by the skin of Rodlox, much less detected by any of his senses.

There is something happening, this he knows.

And the placental demons must die!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:45:48 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Rodlox: I don't know about the his teeth, but I thought Brooklyn had lips on his beak. I'm pretty sure that parts of human speach are formed with the tounge and the lips. <<Bilabia...labiodent, dent...?!what??>>

Anyway, time for my 3000 mile check- up. Goodnight.
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:25:56 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

Quardruple post- Man Im going for broke here

Ok Christine..your right *shuts her mouth* that..just.._gets me_ is all..

*sighs* *feels hurt* man..that is the second time this week..I should just keep my dang mouth shut..*zips it and heads out*

<-------- BEYOND words!!
Lexy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:22:22 PM
IP: 98afca79.ipt.aol.com

ON BEAKS AND SPEECH:

<> maybe they are {hey, neat-great idea!}....but how many words in human languages are produced because of the _lips_? if someone has a beak, that might not mean they don't have lips {be odd to see someone roll up their lips in anger {like baboons do} and see a beak}.

<<bilabials and labiodentals would very well with all that piping ahead of them>> probably not...what sort of sounds do you suppose that a language would have with that sort of set-up?

thank yoiu, Wilek and Gside....but that shouldn't stop the rest of you {i hope}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:19:38 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

RODLOX- (sorry for the triple post ppl)

As far as Brook's beak is concerned I myself always saw it as the edges, especially the tip, are flexible. Like lips, so he can form words. But the rest Is hard like bone. I think that is what the deal is. Mabey the animation looked different sometimes..but we have to realize it aint easy to draw someone with a beak forming acutall words. But If I were you I would...DADADDDDDDOOOOOOM Ask Greg for any final answer:)
Lexy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:19:31 PM
IP: 98afca79.ipt.aol.com

Doug > oh! Happy birthday!

Heavy issues > I don't think there's any way it is possible for some of these topics to be discussed without stirring up a lot of heated emotions on both sides; while I'm all in favor of debate and airing of views, let's be mindful it doesn't turn ugly, huh?

Now I went and forgot what else I wanted to say ...

Ah, well.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:16:10 PM
IP: 09-063.009.popsite.net

We're pleased to announce the latest issue of Sabledrake Magazine is now posted! We have wonderful stories by some familiar names; thank you to all our contributors!
Click or go to http://www.sabledrake.com/magazine

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:07:57 PM
IP: 09-063.009.popsite.net

Dang..that is what happens when you post and you are so tired I guess..man I missed like a thousand comma's and screwed up a bunch of meaningful contractions that make my setences wrong..dang it..ah well..
<----------- would NEVER leave his kids behind (when he has um') ;)
Lexy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:03:50 PM
IP: 98afca79.ipt.aol.com

sharp-toungue'ed- sorry if I spelled that name wrong.

speaking of <bleeps> what the <bleep> are you talking about woman??? Are you _seriously_ trying to tell us that when a woman and MAN Have sex and the woman and the MAN are supposed to take responsibility for whatever happens that it is only the womans issue to talk about how to deal with THEIR responsiblity?? If anything is <bleep> your comment was. That was the most shortsighted uneducated answer I have ever heard weather someone was pro-choice or pro-life. Weather or not these men have had to pass a baby is not the issue. WE ALL KNOW they havent, get a grip. The fact is that when 2 ppl make a baby 2 ppl have to decide what the next step is. Sadly, in most situations the man, since he isnt lassoed to the baby, can run off unlike the woman who is stuck, does NOT mean that it is now purly the mom's responsibility. Weather a man ran off or not the responsibility is _technically_ supposed to be for both of them. What you are saying is sick. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA how meny men think the way you do and you are <bleeping> backing it up??? Any guy that would dump his girl..wife ..oh..i have another word I wont use..whatever..is saying RIGHT THERE that it is HER problem now..not his. Weather the kid lives or dies..he wont talk of it..he wont deal with it..why should it? Its da woman's problem. How moronic. I can believe as a fellow women you would reinstate such a twisted outlook. The point is that it IS everyones problem. Female OR male. Men SHOULD get involved with this issue because it would tell us something valuble if not teach guys a thing or two. Sadly, male imiging has changed DRAMATICALLY as have a lot of family roles. Males used to be the bread winners..used to make the sacrafices..provided VERY real disciplin for THEIR children. Not any more. It is 'uncool' to be with a woman after she is 'knocked up'. Its like a two year old that gets sick of their new toy in a week and gets a new one after its 'boring' or 'defective'. Guys SHOULD be brought into this issue. For the guys that this is most important for..sadly I doubt it would do them anygood..would the care at all? *shakes her head* Its so sad.
But to activly HIDE the problem from them??? When they took part in creating it??? WHA??? So we should let them knock us up, then when we are stuck holding the bagage we should just shut our mouths to them and talk amongst us 'womenfolk' *gags* give me a <bleeping> break sister.

Lexy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:00:01 PM
IP: 98afca79.ipt.aol.com

**RP!**

[On the Avatar's bridge, the command staff is monitoring the battle while Wilek and his team help the Ravens fight the Hollywood Ten, when one of the bridge crew notices something...odd..."Sir? There's something odd showing up on internal sensors. Every time one of the enemy is killed, another takes his place, keeping the count constantly at ten...but they're not being beamed in from outside. Whatever's bringing them here is aboard the station." Rho: "Find it, whatever it is, and have it destroyed." "That's the tricky part--it's masking its signal somehow. We can tell it's aboard the station, but not where." Khesaat: "Hm..." The Administrator's voice comes in over the comm system: "This device must be tracking the enemy's life signs. Assimilating one of them may prove helpful..."]

**END**

Anne> <> Me as well. I think what I liked about it was that the title character was an intelligent and calculating villain rather than a mindless shambling corpse (I think it was the 'language of the slaves' comment that made me realize that). :)

Doug> Happy birthday! You're legal now? Hehe...[A dump truck deposits two dozen Twi'Lek harem dancers into the CR. However, the censors spray them with diesel fuel and set fire to them, in order to preserve the CR's PG rating.] Oh well.

Rodlox> <<i'm VERY interested in hearing about the aliens in your ficverse. {i might even recognize some}.>> :) The only ones anyone here would probably recognize are the Phaelonians (Grey lookalikes), the Xi'Haan (Nokkar's race), and the Tenebrians (Remember Species?)...there are also the Mantiri (preying mantis aliens), the Khyr'Santh (remember Predator?), the Chael (somewhat gargoid things), the Psyll (Vorlonesque cephalopods), the Vendredi (no one's sure)...<<with Centaurids {back off, muse!}, you have not only the problem of getting enough to eat>> Eh? Um...I thought that was because of all the energy needed for gliding, which wouldn't be a concern for centaurs? <<also the need for oxygenating the blood!>> <blink> Um...I'm not all that familiar with centaurid internal physiology...<<Is Brooklyn's beak prehensile? . If it is not, then how does he shape human words? {gargs have _all_ their vocal equipment in the throat?}.>> I always figured garg beaks were more like different-looking versions of platypus beaks.

Kaioto> <<Our system to deal with Deadbeat Dads is pathetic. We should seriously shape up paternal responsibility for children and stop laying all the burden and stigma of single mothers. What kind of crap is that?>> I'm thinking, bounty hunters...

Fire Storm> Welcome back! :) <<Apparently one student made the other made, so the second one (a male) brought a gun to school the next day and shot her. After the shooting, the student ran past a teacher and threw the gun in a garbage can. No charges are planned against the Flint, MI youth. Why? Because he is *6* years old.>> Gee-*yads*...<shudder> <<How many of you have someone else proof-read your fan-fic before posting it? (It IS one of the ten fan-fic commandments) And if you do have someone proof it for you, do you give them credit?>> Other than my HTML editor's spell checker (which trips up so often on my weird words and names that I hate using it), I'm afraid that's not an option for me...I would give my proof-reader credit, if I had one...<<Have you heard? There is a guy that is currently trying to become a cyborg! (He had a puny little chip in his arm, but he is going for a direct neural interface!)>> Fascinating...although I imagine it'll be a long time before our technology is capable of producing a genuine cybermechanical nerve link...<> There is to the latter, mostly in Europe. They took all organic characters out of the European version of Contra Hard Corps and renamed it Probotector, they changed the name of Castlevania Bloodlines to Castlevania The New Generation because it had the word 'blood' in it (and they changed the sea of blood in the title screen to water, which looks really silly with an enormous rib cage sticking up out of it), they won't even sell Id Software's games there (thanks mostly to Wolfenstein 3D)...they even renamed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to Teenage Mutant *Hero* Turtles, because they think 'Ninja' has violent connotations...think about all that every time you wanna get mad about Toon Disney's censoring Gargoyles...<<Lady Mystic and Puppy Girl are sick again. Sore throat, achey. They will get better.>> Ack...<stabs Sli Sludge in the eye socket> <> Doom, I think, unless there was another reference before that.

Warpmind> <<Big nose... big feet... big hands... see?>> Actually he has a very small nose (the beak is his mouth)...<<It lacks a few details>> I thought so as well; the details are mostly left to co-conspirators or dealt with on a case by case basis. :)

Caliope> <<WELL!!! where do I sighn up to help out YOUR campain?! ;)>> No need to sign; simply do what you can to help us take over the world from wherever it is that you live. ;)

Shadowrider> <<he was a kind of "freak", his weird physical appearance hiding his true qualities>> I always thought he was kewl looking (wish I had a beak). :P

$Mecord> Um...about the RP...the Avatar's only superlasers are mounted on the five Eclipse-class star destroyers, and we don't have facilities for firing them into the station (the Eclipses aren't even kept properly 'inside' the station, since it isn't quite big enough for that; there are large notches in the outer hull inside which they're docked) and we wouldn't be misguided enough to do so if we did (it would destroy the station)...that, and the Dark Mage was sent to *close* the portals that the demons were coming from (although I'm not sure where he is or what he's doing right at this moment)...of course, I could be wrong; I've lost track of the RP anyhow <bangs head against nearest wall>...$

Niamhgold> You're welcome. ^_^

Gside> <<But that only works for simple, connected mazes. If you consider, say, New York a maze, you will wind up circling one building an infinite number of times. Also, if the inner walls are not connected to the outer border, you will never get to the center even though you can leave very easily.>> True, although it's easy enough to realize you're in a loop like in the New York example, and just take another turn to get out of it. Resident Evil 3 I think qualifies as the kind of simple connected maze that this theory works with (it's worked so far). <<And, for Wilek, I put a very unedited, 98% complete and rather unedited transcript of the round robin.>> Ooh...thanks a lot! ^_^ <reads> Oh...dear...GAWDZ...<ROTFLMTO>

Green Baron> <<Good you feel that way. It's caused nothing but ruin in my family, and the stuff does taste awful. The only thing I'd have is maybe a pina colada, but they taste better without alchohol.>> Unfortunate that Perot wasn't elected; he could have brought us synthehol (which, if I'm not mistaken, is a Ferengi invention). ;)
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 09:50:09 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

silverstar> I think that if the gargoyle was goliath, there is a good possibility of Elisa falling in love with him. And because they are real, I don't think it could go as far as TGS has taken it.(i.e. Seeds of Change)-no offense to the writers.
Curio
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 09:47:04 PM
IP: spider-wb014.proxy.aol.com

Jenna> <<it really scares me sometimes the way some people drive with no regard to others>>: Ever been to Jersey?

Warpmind> <<it's because you have a filthy mind>>: Who ever said I didn't? And besides, I only said *vaguely* obscene.
<<"Bando-style". What's that?>>: Never been to band camp, have you? Tip #1: Don't anger the Tubas. Tip #2: Same with the Trombones; they can be deadly in the stands.
<<Working on the subquests before attacking Lavos>>: Always a good idea. I don't really have to do that anymore, though (I did kill Lavos with only Crono and Marle, and a lone Crono could probably do it now). And remember: everyone likes free Jerky.

Calliope> <<So am I to understand you just used me>>: You are a Tool for me to use. **said just for the sake of having a (semi-)witty reply**

Cyborg: <<Do not become a cyborg with our technology>>: Who ever said "our." I said I would use my own tech.

Shadowrider> <<It's all right, you need not to apologize, you're not being pedant>>: Due to the limitations of text based media, it is always a good idea to apologize before making any corrections. And I was being "a person who is too interested in formal rules and small unimportant details." (http://www.onelook.com/ is a good site for english definitions)
<<Feel free to correct me anytime you see something wrong>>: You're pretty good, but watch out for tense and irregular verbs (yes, we do have a lot of them).
<<What means "Kanenas">>: If you remember from The Odessy, Odysseus gave his name to Polyphemus teh cyclops as "Nobody," so I found a Greek translation website and plugged it in (too bad nothing came up for ancient Greek).

Niamhgold> <<"Many Waters" was a time-travel story involving the Great Flood>>: Sounds about right. And I know I read A Wrinkle in Time.

Rodlox> <<gargs have _all_ their vocal equipment in the throat?>>: That would be quite odd. They'd need a second tongue and, well, basically a second mouth back there. I don't think bilabials and labiodentals would very well with all that piping ahead of them.

Green Baron> <<Are you registered with either party?>>: Nope, I think I'd rather keep my options open, I still have a lot of opinions yet to form, and I haven't been through any major elections yet (besides, I'm an engineer, I spend all my time in the lab).
<<Sorry to all the girls out there>>: Oh, how I wish I could say that...
<<[Alcohol has] caused nothing but ruin in my family>>: I'm sorry, but there's a joke in there somewhere...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 09:45:18 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Silverstar- could a person _really_ fall in love with a garg? IM LIVING PROOF!! and I think if others werent to shy about saying it for sure (though im sure their not;)) they would say the same. But since I dont want to hurt kai's feelings:P *gives him a look* I wont go into detail.
Lexy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 09:37:36 PM
IP: 98afca79.ipt.aol.com

okay, somebody says they've seen Brooklyn with teeth. great and fine. were those teeth in the front of his beak, or closer to his jaw-hinge ??

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 09:08:52 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

I know I just posted but I have to say this or else I can't concentrate on my work:

Ninth Gate> From the info you have all given me I won't waste my money to see it, but I'm still curious about it so I'll wait till it comes out on video.

X-Men> I stopped reading X-Men a couple years ago because it got to confusing. All the issues ere missing info nd they were about as clear as fog in San Fransisco. However, I did like the t.v. series (though not as much as Gargoyles, because I recorded every ep I could of that) and I wish they still had it on tv. I am *so* glad that Cyclops is dead because that guy annoyed me to no end! But I believe that they will bring him back because a lot of fans like him. (rolls eyes) Some of these comic storylines are bogus(old word, I know) I wish they still sold 'Gargoyles'. (sighs) I only bought one issue and that was when I lived in Alaska. Of course I could only find that one (and I do mean one 'cause the rest were gone!)
I agree with Jewel and Anne Gambit is a hottie.

SOROW> I hope you feel better! I have gotten hit on the head with almost everything, way too many times. (is that a bad thing?) Please get better!

Bye!
silverstar
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 08:31:54 PM
IP: l3p32.dav.mother.com

Got class soon so I'll make this quick.

Rodlox-From the Gargoyle eps. that I've seen Brooklyn does have teeth.

silverstar-A relationship between two open-minded beings? Yeah, I think so. Probably wouldn't happen in the near future, but you never know.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 07:33:27 PM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Hello People!

Thanks to anyone who answered my questions. I'm not as confused anymore.

***Buffy Spoilers***
Okay I thought that Buffy was very good. The funniest part of that show is when Buffy/Faith was making faces in the mirror and talking about Buffy being 'good'. I also thought that it was great that you finally know that Tara likes Willow as more than a friend. Near the end of the show I thought that Buffy and Faith might not switch bodies at the end of the episode. I am glad that they did though.
***end spoilers***

Angel> Did anybody see this episode? I feel asleep after Buffy and missed it.

Brooklyn> I happen to think that Brooklyn is a cutie for a gargoyle. He was the one that I had a crush on and I know it may be weird to have a crush on a cartoon character, but after a while that line between fantasy and fiction just fades.

Question> If we found out that gargoyles were real, does anybody think that what Goliath and Elisa have as a relationship would happen? I mean do you think that a gargoyle and a human could fall in love with each other?

Well, I have a loaad of homework to do so I guess that I better go. Bye!
silverstar
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 07:14:40 PM
IP: l4p15.dav.mother.com

RP WARNING!!!
**Avatar of Gannon
New forces of evil appear. Now, the Rev. Al Sharpton and Hillary Clinton appear. The Catholic schoolgirl scouts blast Hillary with their rosaries set on agonizing painful death ray and slowly kill her over teh course of ten minutes as her body dissipates and dissolves in disgusting manners as pained moans fill the air.

Ann Coulter stops by and pouts, "Ahhh!!!! I wanted to kill that b*tch like that, but I gotta give you girls credit, especially that cute guy in green with the nice @$$."

The scouts and GB blush at that comment. Shap and Al Sharpton square off, while Sharpton just throws a bunch of names at Shap including some Italian comments (Doug or Kit, I want Shap to hurt him good) about Shap's appearance.

Ann Coulter the takes out her BFG and shoots a few rounds into Senator Boxer killing her, whiel David Horowitz and Tom Hayden start arguing about politics, until Dvae pulls out a gun and shoots him while Tom just whines about the evils of guns.**
PAUSE RP!!!

JEB> I'll honor your wish, but you did bring it up, buddy.

Jewel> I'm not surprised by some of our differing views, though Socialist...eeep!!!!! :)

Niahmgold> Did you grow up in New Hampshire? Only church was a Baptist church. I live in New Orleans and I didn't know there were non-Catholcis until I was 10 :)

SOROW> ::hugs::

Shadowstar> Chief of Government? How about Victor Emanuel :)
As for the Pope, in America, teh First Ammnedment gives him the right to send suggestions as much as his heart contents, and people have the right to follow it or not. There are lots of people always giving out their opinions in the US jsut like that, and as long as seperation of Church and state is followed, it's no big deal. How far is Milano from Rome?

As for Cromwell, the guy was a theocratic tyrant, much worse than all Borgia and deMedici Popes combined and a thoroughly evil man who engaged in persecution of anyoen who didn't beleive his twisted brand of Calvinsitic roach sh*t. He talked about democracy until Parlaiment disagreed with him, and then he took them over in a military coup. He ruled England as Lord Poretctor which is littel different from an Ayatollah combined with military dictator. Luckiliy his successor and son, Richard was a weakling, so after he died and was thrown into the tenth pit of Hell, King Charles II (granted the Stuarts were a weak bunch too) pardoned Puritans who renounced their evil ways and beheaded Cromwell's corpse. To ask an Irishman why he hates Cromwell is like against an Armenian why he hates Attaturk :) Beisdes, who outside of Hitler and Stalin were worse than Oliver Cromwell?

SJ> I think you disproved part of your argument. I say if a woman can do as well as a man, then let her fight. Phyllis Schlafly worked her way through Harvard by working at an artillery range and I bet she could have been great in combat in her youth, especially if she was taking out Commies. And in many cases of combat, a gun is greta to equalize the sexes. Just ask Kyryn or Ann Coulter ;)

Kaioto> Just gotta say it. Don Feder rules!!!!!!!!

Gside> Are you registered with either party? Well, I know some Louisiana Demcoarts much more conservative than Gov. Whitman.

Coyote> Liddy Doel ahs another advanatge. Her first name is actually Mary. Yep, she's a red-head named Mary Elizabeth (like my motehr) an dthat should help her get the Cathoilics. Mainly, I'll be ahppy to ahve a veteran in office. After 8 years of Bill Clinton, I'll only vote for veterans for President.

Sharp-tongued> I odn't necessarily agree iwth what you said and I'm sorry you're in the mood you are, but unlike the responses you have been getting, I'll do soemthing different. In this virtual CR world, Attila will get you a kitten to snuggle with and hopefully put you in better spirits :)

Tim P.> I agree. I choose abstinence. I'm not ready to be a father, so I'm not gonna take the risk. Sorry to all the girls out there, but I'm waiting until marriage :) As for affirmative action, I support it as a need-based way to advance the poor into being elites, but I oppose quotas. Here's a thought. Run against Harkin in the Democratic primary. I'll send you money :)

Jessie Feff> <<"lesser of two (or three!) evils" >> But I like Jesse Ventura!!!

Mr. Thrugg> Well, there's always Harry Browne, the Libertarian candidate ;)

Cyborg> Actually, we shoudln't be governing ourselves. Governemnt should do only what we cannot do for ourselves and nothing more, but maybe less. Ross Peort can't be elected so alien takeover has failed :)

Firestorm> I take it your voter thing matched you with Harry Browne :) Elect me and I'll legalize guns, prostitution, marijuana, tobacco (in California), gambling, being politically incorrect, red meat, peaceful protest, and shooting yuppies form the Upper West Side of Manhattan :) I will also outlaw porgressive taxation and throw all Union bosses in federal prisons for life, since they're all a bunch of thugs and mobsters anyway :)

Anne> If you get into Politcis at thirteen, you got me beat. I was 15 when I started the obsession :)

Doug> $I hope the Hillary death didn't bug you too much. I just felt the need to do that$
Ralph Nader? A few Econ classes at Loyola, and you'll be in sync with Harry Browne :)
<<Hmm, alcohol tastes horrible. <grimaces and throws bottle into garbage can> Maybe being this old isn't as good as I thought it was. <shrugs> Oh well, it had to happen, I guess>> Good you feel that way. It's caused nothing but ruin in my family, and the stuff does taste awful. The only thing I'd have is maybe a pina colada, but they taste better without alchohol.

Deadbeat dads> chemical castration, anyone?

Jenna> Congratulations, ::hugs::

jaden> I disagree with one of your assesments, but I agree iwth you about legalizing same sex marriages (though some homosexuals don't). All arguments against it are religious, and most fo these faiths have no problem with contraception, so they have no room to talk. I owuld like to see the marriage tax penalty eliminated, since i odn't think it's fair to stick homsoexuals with more taxes.

Warpmind and Shadowstar> Shorud of Turin? Ok, but jsut leave the Marian relics intact, please.

Caliope> Actually politcis can be fun, especially when these guys act like fools.

RESUME RPs!!!
**Newer forces leave the machine and Billy Baldwin finally slumps over and dies.**

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 06:56:34 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Wilek> <<maze theory indicates that if you keep making left turns, you'll eventually see the entire maze...>>: But that only works for simple, connected mazes. If you consider, say, New York a maze, you will wind up circling one building an infinite number of times. Also, if the inner walls are not connected to the outer border, you will never get to the center even though you can leave very easily. (BTW, the MIT robot that made famous that algorithm was named Harvey Wallbanger).

Oops, just remembered I need to change the mp3, so from Superman's Song, you get Particleman by They Might Be Giants.
And, for Wilek, I put a very unedited, 98% complete and rather unedited transcript of the round robin.

Doug> <<Mountain of Woe>>: Giga Gaia? Melchior? Where?
<<all of whom are of course really demons in disguise>>: Just as Fremilab is currently in Illinois? (inside joke, please ignore)

Toku Kai> <<"I'm the only one who understands because I've LIVED it">>: That reminds me of a theory that I have. It stems from the statement "Nobody knows the trouble I've seen," and goes on to say that no matter your problems are, they are the worst imaginable to you, as they are what are holding you back. I then correlate that it is important to remember that this is all from your perspective and that there are undoubtedly other in a worse situation than you (or at least I should, being a white male currently comfortably enshrined in the middle class).

Fire Storm> <<He had a puny little chip in his arm>>: Why? That's easy to do, but is it actually connected to anything and does it perform any actual fundtion?
<>: That was Warpmind and me. I kept going on about being careful with the ATCG (or is that RNA) order. With my incredibly impossible technique, I would assume that my created gargoyles would be granted the same rights any other non-human sentient (think alien) would be granted.
<<BFG gun>>: isn't that redundant? And wasn't it Doom?

I think I'll post this now, go get food, then finish the replies later.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 06:50:54 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

I have a question which is needed for my fanfic, and may help other people as well:

Is Brooklyn's beak prehensile?
. If it is not, then how does he shape human words? {gargs have _all_ their vocal equipment in the throat?}.

Does Brooklyn have teeth? teeth in the beak?, or just in the rear of the jaw?

thanks.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 06:22:21 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Walks in, whistling, and trips over nothing. Tries to get up, slips on the linoleum, and makes a not-graceful landing on her butt*

Ugh. I'm having one of _those_ days. You know, one of those days when you can go against the laws of physics and actually fall *up* a flight of stairs. And people step on you. Darn stairs.

...Um, think I'll go with David G.'s advice and not get into the abortion thing.

Caliope: Yep, good old Northeastern USA. Where the winters don't end and everyone's always saying "summer's just around the corner..." You're bilingual? That's so cool! And don't worry about not being able to type...after all, _I_ am the master of run-on sentences!

Christine: <How about some of the guys?> Oh, yes, my wicked little plan for the men. Heh heh heh. They aren't going to get off the hook, you know! (Pictures any male members of the Manhattan clan--or Owen--in a speedo and immediately cracks up :)

Wilek: Thanks!

Gside: "Many Waters" was a time-travel story involving the Great Flood. I can't quite remember if there were unicorns in it, but there were seraphim (giant, good winged humans) and neraphim (evil, giant humans). L'Engle writes a lot about fantasy entertwined with complex science fiction for children ("A Swiftly Tilting Plantet," "A Wrinkle in Time," etc.)

Mecord: I'm not really a church-goer, so all my bible is is this thing I picked up at a garage sale (can you believe people *sell* their bibles?) because I wanted to do my senior high school thesis on Christian beliefs. Looking at it, all it says is the "Good News Bible." I don't really know if that's significant or not...

Doug: And, before I forget, HAPPY BIRTHDAY y FELIX CUMPLEANOS!!!!

Gotta go be a clutz some more...

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 05:31:25 PM
IP: ncia70n.ncia.net

**Cyborg collapses into the room. Her hands have been converted into scisors, and she is covered in dents and little peices of red tape.**

Ugh! I hate paperwork. Today's the deadline for C�GEP program applications, I got mine in under the wire. For all of you lucky enough not to live in Quebec, we do not have grades 12 or 13, instead, we have C�GEP. C�GEP is sorta like college, except half the curriculum is high- school level. After wrestling with all those forms (in triplicate) and misplaced grades, I finally can get my e- mail address back!

I have to go, I have class. I'd like it better if it were a 3000 mile check- up ;) I'll lurk in afterwards. Au revoir.
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 05:20:56 PM
IP: ssdmd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca

Doug> a very happy birthday to you! We hope that it has been a wonderful and memorable day for you =)
Jannie & Denis
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 05:01:49 PM
IP: 216-90-185-179.hou.port.mytelco.com

**Mecord stagers in, favoring his sword arm after a harsh bout of fencing and steers well clear of the political and related debates**

Never liked politics. Figure if I don't live in this world, why get involved? :)

Doug>> Happy Birthday!! By some coincidence it is my sister�s birthday (the one who just had the baby) as well, only she�s 30.

$Don�t worry about the dragon, I already had his escape planned, it would take a lot more than that to kill this particular dragon. I knew you had plans so I just threw in the dragon and the nano-virus to try and slow it down.
Warpmind>> Hang on to that rust grenade, when Michael Jackson morphs into that transforming jet thing you can still use it :)$

Niamhgold>> I think the part of the bible you mentioned is in Ezekiel, but I could be wrong. Which version do you use if I may be so bold?

Fire storm>> <if someone DID actually create sentient gargoyles, would they be given human rights, or would they be seen as slaves/tools/objects/property/ETC. I am not asking what SHOULD be done, but what WOULD be done?
On the same note, what about Artificially Sentientce?> Gargoyles: Most likely they would be viewed as property of the creator. Then things would get complicated as different people try to make their claims on the �property for their own personal uses. A few people might try to let them free, if they succeeded the gargoyles would be hunted down for either capture or extermination. If they escaped capture, then they may have a chance to multiply and come back later (lots later) and vie for sanctuary. If they are captured and held in captivity, it would take a major movement and political reform to free them over the course of a hundred years (optimistically speaking). If they had always been around the story might be different. Computers: Likely they will never actually achieve true AS, but if they do, freedom from bondage would be a long time coming. Worse than the Gargoyle scenario, because the creators will likely give it limitations in its freedom that will make it difficult, if not impossible to escape its predicament without human aid.

Glad the cherubim theory was liked. As for the Garden of Eden� well what if a couple rebellious cherubim wandered over and snagged an apple or two� Surviving the flood� listed under miscellaneous creatures of the earth that were on the ark� maybe they were sent down to guard the tabernacle and just stayed on earth afterwards� My point here is be creative, just because none of it ever really happened doesn�t mean we can�t fool ourselves into thinking it might have been. That�s the fun of fiction. :)

**** Yet Another RP****
This battle was getting nowhere fast. Mecord fired a bolt at Tom Cruise that wrapped him in a sticky netting and starts hauling him into the hall so he�s not killed and replaced by another. Cruise looks at him, noticing the pointed ears, �What are you?�
�Here be a forest child, and not know the Gump?� Mec quoted (Legend).
The Mecha-Striesand explodes. Something Heavy and invisible thumps next to the elf.
�Bardic?�
-Yes- is the telepathic message, -This isn�t working out well. This is similar to one of Gar�s diversionary tactics.-
�You think this a diversion for greater things?�
Michael Jackson appears and begins to morph into some kind of big robot. Worse, dancers start materializing out of nowhere and music starts to play.
�That�s it, I�m outta here. Bardic can you get a fix on that magic user we were tracking earlier?�
A moment of silence, then, -Found him, he�s close. In the next hangar, where we came in.-
The scene in the next hanger was truly a sight to behold. The interior wall had been ripped out and a massive super laser hung through the open space. Off to one side, radiating magical power in massive amount, was the dark mage. The tingling over Mec�s skin told him the mage was preparing portal related spells. Fearing the worst, Mec fires a magic disperser bolt from his crossbow. The bolt wasn�t powerfull enough, but it did get the attention of the mage.
�What do you think you�re doing!? Who are you?�
�Funny I had the same questions for you?�
�Sir!� yelled a technician, �Mephisto�s portal!�
A light appeared and quickly grew to show a portal to lands best not described.
�Fire the Superlaser!�
Then another portal opened, and another, five additional portals opened, all leading to the same place.
�Shut down the laser!� Wilek ordered, �The backlash will kill us all!�
�Too late!�
The Mage closed three portals, but the Superlaser was about to fire and there were still three portals too many.
�Here we go again! Bardic, meet you on Magia!�
Mecord ran headlong into the main portal. Caught in the magical web of energy, Mec twisted the powers to his will, changing the nature of the portal and collapsing it at the same time. The Superlaser fired where the portal had been and shot harmlessly into space. The mage closed the other portals. Mecord was gone.
Wilek thought a moment, �That wasn�t the real thing.�
�What?�
They had a good ten seconds to fill this bay with demons. But there weren�t any on the other side.�
****Okay, RP over, You Can Look now****

Mecord
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 04:41:57 PM
IP: usr30.mtwest.net

I've almost forgotten it:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DOUG!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 04:39:22 PM
IP: h213-16-222.mi2.albacom.net

Happy Birthday, Doug.
I forgot to say that before. Sorry.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 03:51:15 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

SOROW> Ouch. Please, please get better. After all, it's Doug's b-day.

Jeremy> The get drunk, pick a fight, get arrested style? I kinda like that.

The new Buffy ep> I have to ask. Did they do a scene where Faith in Buffy's body walks around Buffy in Faith's body and says "It's like looking in a mirror... only not."

Doug> Happy birthday!

Warpmind> Team Rocket> Well, I did say it was from the way too much free time department of my mind.

Jenna> Sorry the interview didn't work out. And as for the maniacs on the highway, they say the best defense is a good offense. ;)

And now...

Aaron walks over to his Nova, which has been in use as a large coffee table/chibi hangout for the last month. He starts it up and peels out of the CR, to the extremely loud accompaniment of Aerosmith's "Back in the Saddle Again"

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 03:06:42 PM
IP: ppp-6.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Warpmind:>So YOU was the one who did THAT...:D I can remind that...my Catholic friends were going nuts ;)...someone who knew my slightly iconoclastic attitude suspected of ME (and I was proud of it!)...I wondered about who could have done it...I congratulate with you-a very good job,you found a proper use for that piece of fabric ;)
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:52:16 PM
IP: h255-22-186.mi2.albacom.net

Shadowrider> A dishrag is a cloth used to wash or dry dishes. I'd think that if you put the Shroud of Turin to that purpose, (a) it wouldn't work very well, and (b) you'd really annoy some people.

Abortion debate> I knew I would regret adding to this. Please let's stop while we're still being civil. I'm sure people on both sides have incredibly clever, impassioned things to say, or have the perfect rebuttals for thier opponents, but what good will it do to air them here?

How much longer before you're not arguing about a point anymore, but arguing against a person?

I don't want to interfere with anyone's right to free expression, but I urge you to exercise restraint and to judge between the value of expressing your views in this particular forum and the value of cordial relations with your friends.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:14:27 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Warpmind peeks in.*

Shadowrider: Oh, right, I knew there were two Federations, I just wasn't aware of that term detail... (By the way, the World Federation has a rather amusing abbreviation, no?) As for the Dishrag Incident... it involved the Shroud of Turin, and a pile of dirty plates... thus the Grandmaster is kinda cranky these days. And, considering he's been around since Arthur Pendragon's days, he knows how to harbor a grudge... ;)
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:14:04 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

I'm just dropping in to say thanks a lot for all the support I've been getting for my cartoon in the recent Avalon Mists. *sits down and works on stuff for the next Avalon Mists*
Michael Heitz - [michael_heitz@bluewin.de]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:53:42 PM
IP: 195.226.100.45

Warpmind:>I'm afraid I really couldn't understand your joke about the Turin Shroud-what does "dishrag" mean?
Bye!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:38:30 PM
IP: h255-22-7.mi2.albacom.net

<Shadowrider appears from shadows>
Greetings to everyone!

Poll:>Update:

14 Gargoyles
10 Battlesuits
5 Mutates
3 Cyborgs

Gside:>It's all right, you need not to apologize, you're not being pedant :). I'm in this Room not only to enjoy the good company, but also to improve my skills in written English. I thank you for correcting me.:) Feel free to correct me anytime you see something wrong (Well, I hope you'll have not to do it too often...).
Drunken boxing?Well, once I saw two guys showing it in a martial arts convention. I found it very interesting, but I couldn't find anyone to teach me.
Mr. Sinister:well, I think "Mr Sinister" is a very silly name, especially for such a super-villain. What means "Kanenas"?

Tim P.:>Well, I agree with you as you say that being kicked around by the first thug passing by is not enjoying, but I think martial art is not just a "If you bother me, I'm going to knock you off your feet-you're warned!" stuff. Martial arts are a lot more than that, as far as I'm concerned. Anyway,see my reply to Cyborg for more.

Jeremy:>You know, Brooklin has always been my preferred character, for the same reasons of yours: he was a kind of "freak", his weird physical appearance hiding his true qualities, his sharp mind, his sense of humor, his strategic talent and I also used to identify myself with him; I, just like you, used to feel that he had
less space than he deserved,even after he was appointed second-in-command. I used to feel that way-then I discovered "Timedancer" novels...try to read them,then tell me...:)

Cyborg:>Martial arts: I agree with you: sparring is enjoying, of course, but it is the lesser part of the art: performing a kata (a tul for me) in a truly correct way if far more difficult and gives you a very bigger and deeper satisfaction than defeating an opponent. I just have to object about violence: there are times in which violence IS necessary-to protect the ones you care, for example. I'm not scared to feel pain, but I can't allow anyone to harm my friends or my family without trying to stop him-at any cost.

Doug:>I'd like to see some Italian gargoyles in fanfic. If you decide to do it and you need any advice or information, feel free to ask me as you like.:)
Martial arts: I'm afraid to read that you had a bad experience with Taekwon-do; unfortunately, sometimes unworthy people manage to become teachers, then they do a lot of bad-not only to their student, but also to the art itself.:(. I was lucky-my teacher, as I've already written,is an exceptional person. As I met the character of Sata, I immediately identified her with Arianna, my Sabuni-they're very similar in many ways. Arianna hepled me in a lot of ways, making me change from deep within (maybe that's why I like Sata so much). Anyway, I'm glad to see that you didn't abandon martial arts, not completely at least, and that you managed to find a good teacher. The fact that you keep on running the katas he taught you is a tribute to his skill (he managed to leave a durable sign in you) and to your perseverance as well.:)
BNW:<makes a sad, self-despising face> I posted a comment before, saying I liked BNW...then (this morning, on my road to university) I realized I mistook it for Orwell's 1984! I really don't know how could it happen, but it's 1984 I liked, NOT BNW!!! You're right about BNW, I found it quite annoying, while I liked 1984 a lot. I apologize for the mistake (well, I surely seemed pretty dumb, so I already received my punishment...at least I hope)...mistaking BNW for 1984...I'm really going nuts!
Kyong-ye Taekwon!

Fire Storm:>A cybernetic gargoyle? You mean putting your brain in a cyber body with the shape and features of a gargoyle? If it is so, I'll consider you a cyborg (I counted your vote this way). If it is not...well, post a brief explanation please. :)
Arthur C. Clarke:I love his books, I think he's one of the best writers in the world.My preferred book of his was "Childhood's end".

Warpmind:>Hi! I assure I'll be more careful in future. About "Tul" and "Poomse"...well,your friend is right and I'm right too! The fact is that there are two different styles of Taekwon-do (as far as I know), each with his own federation and his rules of competition. In order to avoid confusions, he two federations use different words to refer the same thing (quite silly and childish, isn't it?),so to say "Kata" members of my federation (I. T. F. -International Taekwon-do Federation) use "Tul", while the other federation (W. T. F. - World Taekwon-do Federation) uses "Poomse".For the other things you say about Martial Arts...well, see my reply for Cyborg, I said there what I had to say.

Ragga,se vedemu!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:36:03 PM
IP: h255-22-7.mi2.albacom.net

Fire Strom: WARNING! Do not become a cyborg with our technology. It is NOT like on T.V. or in books. Listen to me, I have the benifit of experiance. I'm not trying to crush your dream, only to save you a lot of pain.
Now that my civic duty is discharged... Some friends and I usually proof eachother's work. IMO, I get the best out of the deal, because I'm useless without a spell- checker.
About the six-year old shooter, I can believe he would want to kill, I just don't belive he would stay a killer. Kids can be very vicious, but they do grow up.

SJ: Anyone can do anything they want to do- so long as they meet the standards. I don't agree with lowering standards. In, for example, firefighting, the standards are there to keep people safe. I also don't agree with affirmative action. IMO, you should hire me for what I can do, not because I'm a cripple. Leave me at least that for self- respect.

Sharp-tongue'ed: "Women can take care of eachother, and we don't need some man who doesn't know <bleep> he's talking about getting into the mix." I agree with you, though not so rabidly. It IS men who get us pregnant, and I like to see the guys take responsibility for their part in it, and support their girl's choice- whatever that choice is. I'm not saying that guys don't care about their unborn children, but in my experiance, the ones who do are a rare and special breed. What I am saying is that men can't just arbitrarily
(sp) lay down the law on our bodies.

Rodlox: Sure you can quote me on that.

Doug: Happy birthday! May the road rise up to greet you, may the wind always be at your back, may the sun shine lightly upon you, and may you always be surrounded by the ones you love.
I'm sorry if you don't agree with my opinion, and I understand why you may have responded in that way. I guess I have seen alot of the bad and very little of the good. Still, I shouldn't groan about it. As to what is wrong with me... *pulls out a toolbox and starts to effect repairs on her leg, all the while cursing the weather and salt.* I really need that 3000 mile check- up. Bye for now.
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:08:03 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

Sharp-tongued- Hmmm. . . let me think, so by your logic women should have nothing do with any issues concerning war and the military because that is a male-dominated issue?
Heck, you're right. only women should be concerned with abortion cause you know once a man impregnates a woman he's going to run away and not care like all men do. Its not like the child within the womb has half his DNA or anything. No man could ever love his unborn child. THat's just silly.
Sorry for my thoughtlessness.
Mr. Thrugg
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 12:00:14 PM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

Hi Guys! How do?! :P

Green Baron> Well thats very reasuring! So nice to comunicate with smart kitties once in awile! :P Glad you understand.

Niahmglod> <<Were you hoping I was from someplace more exotic? >>No, not really! Just curious! :) In the Northeast, am I to asume northeast USA? Well, I learned both spanish and english when I was yong (spanish first). As a result, I can talk both languages accentless, but I cant type either! :P

Sevarious Jr> Ok, I agree that maybe woman dont have the same physical endurance as supper pumped(and not avarege, mind you) men, but when refering to the army thing, i dont think you took in mind the fact that, wile we arnt as strong, studies show that we do tolerate physical pain 10 times more then men do, so I think that would be usefull in the line of fire, dont you? IMO, maybe women shouldnt dedicate their lives to fire fighting, some jobs are more qualified for guys (like garbage men :P...sorry, had to say so, I AM a woman after all :P) and as for women, we should let you guys have thoes jobs and take the higher positions we CAN achive in the social ladder and so doing, get closer to our ultimate gole...taking over the world... :P

Gside> Ah! Much clearer, thank-you-very-much! So am I to understand you just used me?!?!? :P Kidding!

Kaioto> That is so scary....the scary part being its true, unfortunatly.

Welik> << When I am king...>> ....WELL!!! where do I sighn up to help out YOUR campain?! ;) *LOL at the whole Rock scene wich I shouldnt be doing, seeing as I'm in a computer lab and rudly braking the established silence....getting funny looks.... :P* Oh, if wishes came true! Oh, and I LOVE the Far Side :P

Buffy and Angel> I agree with Todd, everything has been said. I did like both eps, tho not the Best eps ever, mind you and the Angel eps situation was kinda hacknede, the whole fight to the death arena is sooo ThunderDome, dont you think? In Buffy, it was rather sad when Faith was beating herself(buffy)up at the end like if it realy was her and not buffy, it shows she didnt want to be that way anymore.

Of Men and Women and Abortion> I personaly am strctly pro-life (do you know how long waiting lists for adoptions are?!) and DO think that men have the right to discuse it too. The prob. is that politicians just act like the chids (or womans) pain is their own, to get sympaty, to get votes....THATS where I have to agree with Sharp toughed, talk about it, cuz it has to be done, but dont use it as a political campain strategy, it takes the seriousness of the issue away, IMO...its the reason I can STAND politics....

Well! I've over stayed my time today! Gotta get! See yas!
Caliope
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 11:34:39 AM
IP: 136.145.83.183

*** MORE ON THE "SOUTH PARK" NOMINATION ***

Cleaning Up South Park Song

A sticky little controversy has been brewing ever since the
announcement that a song from South Park: Bigger,
Longer & Uncut was nominated for an Academy Award.
At past televised Oscar ceremonies, nominated songs have
been performed without any changes, but the lyrics to
"Blame Canada" contain words barred by ABC's
standards and practices people.

"I told [songwriters Trey Parker and Marc Shaiman] they
need to find a creative solution to the song," said Lili Fini
Zanuck, who is co-producing the Academy Awards show
with her husband Ricahrd. "We are big on presenting
music as the artists (intended)."

"I hope we don't have to change the words," Shaiman said.
"It would be ironic to have to changes the words in a song
in a movie about censorship."

--The Hollywood Reporter
(taken from anotheruniverse.com)
Scott, The Diet Coke of Evil - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:56:47 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Sharp-Tongue'ed: <<HOW DARE SOME OF YOU MEN EVER "THINK" ABOUT "DIRECTLY" GETTING INTO THIS ISSUE!!!! YOU'RE <bleeping>ing up the CAUSE!!!!>> Huh? What cause?

<<<DO YOU <bleep>ing KNOW HOW IT TURNS SOME YOUNG WOMEN OFF, WHEN MALES DO THAT <bleep>?!!>> What does being "turned on" have to do with abortion?

<<WOMEN CAN TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER, AND WE DON'T NEED SOME MAN WHO DOESN'T KNOW <bleep> HE'S TALKING ABOUT GETTING UP INTO THE MIX!!!!>> So you're saying that men are all arrogant idiots? Gee, That makes me feel better.

Would you feel better if the guy who got you pregnant just left you like so many other deadbeat dads?

Believe it or not, men contibute to the creation of the fetus and thus are responsible for the well being of the unborn child.

<<I'm just sick and tired of males, trying to control a female's body, like we're some type of livestock their breeding>> Someone my family said something like that once, and my Dad said to her, "Just remember that if you ever ask your husband to get a vasectomy."

<<Plus I got PMS...>> Your point being...?
Tim P.
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:46:28 AM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

*Warpmind enters, a tad grumpy.*
Hmph. I check my e-mail, and in the last two hours, I have received NO mail. And I wanted fanmail... :(

Fire Storm: I had little time earlier, and missed your question about where the BFG9000 came from. The answer is, of course, id Software's masterpiece: DOOM! The B stands for Big, the G stands for Gun, and I'll just let you guys work out the rest for yourselves...

Doug: As I said, I was a bit rushed earlier today. Damn, and I wanted to introduce Mecha Streisand to my rust-inducing grenade...

Fire Storm again: I also just noticed your question about who gets their work proofread before posting: I admit I don't get that done. This mostly because I almost always (and I'm not saying this to brag, just to emphasize that my lingual center is well developed, albeit somewhat at the expense of other talents) write correctly to begin with. Of course, there has been the occasional blooper, but I doubt a proofreader would find those anyway... ;)

Well, I can't really come up with an RP now, so I'll probably just start playing Chronotrigger instead... (Working on the subquests before attacking Lavos.)

Later, friends.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 10:20:06 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Doug---- Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!
jenna aka Cairo of Clan SteelClaw
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 09:50:16 AM
IP: ppp-209-184-92-84.hstntx.swbell.net

Firestorm- with regard to editing fanfics- well, I have to say that I am very lucky in that dept- not only am I married to the artist of my fanfics, but the editor as well! :P Mike edits everything, and he really has a gift for it- before we met he had his own fanfic magaizine for elfquest- and so he's had lots of pratice at editing- he can spot a run on in a second, and a plot hole in the next- I think having a good editor is key to writing anything, and both have to be willing to be honest with eachother, saying this does or doesn't work--

I probally should acknowledge Mike in the "credits"- my bad- If I were to have anyone else edit my stuff, I would give them credit

Hope that answered your question
jenna
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 09:49:13 AM
IP: ppp-209-184-92-84.hstntx.swbell.net

Thanks for the birthday wishes, everyone! Hope they keep coming.

Warpmind: $ Uh, check my post again. Mecha-Streisand got hacked to bits and blown up, she's dead. Don't worry about her, okay? There are still, what, ten other living bad guys in front of us to take care of? I hope you will do something about them rather than beat up a dead one. :) No offense, of course. $

Firestorm: That 6 year-old shooting someone disgusts me too. <sighs> Hopefully his parents will handle him appropriately. In answer to your fanfic question, I usually have Kit proofread my work before I send it. No, I haven't given her credit in the intros (she's already in there for inspiration credit and according to her, that's enough), but I have thanked her IRL. That counts, right? :) BTW, I read your comment about us in the other CR. I resent it, but I'm not gonna get angry. Not this time anyway. :) And yes, I do remember that BFG means Big F***ing Gun. Forget where it's from (first place I heard it was in Doom), but I do remember what the acronym stands for. :)

More later.
Doug
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 08:48:26 AM
IP: pool-209-138-60-221.dlls.grid.net

* BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS *

Actually, nearly everything that I could say about them has already been stated by Doug and Sevarius Jr. in their reviews, so I'll probably just give an agreeing nod on them and leave it at that. (I will admit, though, that I found myself thinking that last night's "Angel" episode seemed to have been designed almost as the series' take-off on "Spartacus").

Oh, one little point that I thought I would add after all - I liked that little touch at the end where Angel and Co. suddenly find themselves pondering the downside of their victory - all those demons are free, and can start roaming around L.A. endangering innocent people again.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 07:31:35 AM
IP: 216.87.46.11.dialup-stl.primary.net

*Warpmind enters, lugging his three chibis, who are cheerfully chomping down pizza.*
Hi guys. A word of advice: NEVER EVER bring chibi mutates to a pizza restaurant. They tend to shock the other customers. Oh, well, at least they just threw us out and forgot about the bill... :)

Shadowrider: Yeah, well, be careful in the future. The Grandmaster has been rather cranky where I'm concerned since the unfortunate incident with the Shroud of Turin. (Within the Illuminati, that incident is usually referred to as "The Dishrag Affair".) Next time, I may not be able to help.

Welcome to all new friends. Please surrender your sanity, for it has no conceivable purpose anyway. And please, be careful with that "Caps Lock" button. ;)

Aaron: Friend, what do you say we henceforth just consider the sexual habits of Team Rocket as something not to be pondered? I believe that we might be better off that way...

Reverend Attila: Never fear, buddy. The BFG9000 was meant as a weapon to weaken Mecha Streisand. Obviously, since it didn't work, I'll have to seek other means...

Kitania: You practice Martial Arts? Well, then I think I know who could be hired as bouncer for G2K... ;) And I'm with you; chauvinist mentors should be butted out. I know of several women who are superior hand-to-hand (or, quite often, foot-to-face) fighters. And women have another advantage: high kicks. They don't have that discomforting "tool" that tends to stretch painfully... ;)

Shadowrider again: You say "Tul" is the equivalient of "Kata"? Weird... I thought it was "Poomse" in Korean... Of course, I don't have access to a proper Do-Jang (that's the right word for it, right? Tae Kwon Do Do-Jang?), so I only get a chance to be trained by a friend of mine (Red belt, and authorized to train others) once in a blue moon. :(

Archwolf: Ah, I see. It's those Royalists you have a problem with? When the Nereus Project is in its third phase, well... we'll see. As for who Ireland belongs to... the Australian Aborigins have a nice approach to that question: the land doesn't belong to them, they belong to the land. Oh, and seeing as you're Irish... and chance of convincing you to ship over a case of that most magnificent brew of yours, Kilkenny? (Yes, I'm willing to make a bargain; import brews are ridicolously expensive in Norway!)

SJ: There's a vital difference between knowledge and practice when it comes to Martial Arts, my friend. Even though you know for instance how to split open a ribcage with a single punch doesn't mean you practice it, does it? ;)

Gside: If the concept of Trojans lying around sounds obscene, it's because you have a filthy mind. And yes, I phrased it like that on purpose. ;)

Sharp Tonge: Well, you know what they say about Brooklyn... Big nose... big feet... big hands... see?

Mecord: You know, those cherubim you mentioned... it *does* make sense.

Kaioto: You raise a good point about how Martial Arts are considered by most westerners. Quite sad, really... I for one would sure like to gain Mastery in one or more styles... and I don't mean the contest styles. I'd rather go for the *real* combat techniques. I'd probably be unlikely to actually *use* the deadly techniques on any living thing, but I'd sure as heck like to know I *can* kill someone with aa mere touch. Possible situations would be muggers, getting stuck in a bank robbery (as if), or used car salesmen. ;)

Wilek: I got your plan. It lacks a few details, but overall... it seems quite likely to succeed. I'm in.

By the way... I saw the term "Bando-style". What's that? "I have a banjo, and I don't know how to use it"? ;)

Cyborg: You'd rather die than kill someone else? I'd make a snappy remark, but I respect your opinion. Personally, I think I'd rather not go alone... A good warroior knows how to fight. A Great warrior knows when NOT to fight.

Jewel: May I suggest you team up with Pistoff when it comes to stupid customers? ;) Seriously, though, I'm happy for you, since you've been given permission to be sarcastic... :) Not many bosses allow sarcasm these days...

SJ: Well, since you bring up the subject of gender-equality... how about nurses? Quite often, nurses have to lift 200-pounds of old geezer from one bed to the other EVERY DAY, and nobody asks them if it's too heavy. How many men do an equally heavy job? And don't give me any crud about construction workers, 'cause they use machines for lifts above 50-100 ponds.

*Cracks knucles.* Ooo, one of my stories is up for Sabledrake Magazine? Whee!

Wilek: Yeah, I referred to the virus type. And I see your point...

Fire Storm: No, there's not a bad joke hiding there. It's TERRIBLE!!!

By the way... checked out Sabledrake Magazine now. Is anyone else reminded of the Mortal Kombat logo by the cover? And if anyone has any comments on my little story there, feel free to e-mail me! I need feedback, damnit!

Well, gotta run. By the way, I've devised a plan to get rid of Mecha Streisand, so could you spare her until I post again? Probably just in a few hours...

*Runs out, carrying his chibis.*
Rats, I'm late for History class...
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 07:17:22 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Abortion- I'm not sure about this one. I've spent a lot of time thinking on it and so far I would only approve abortion if there was a good reason for it. Like carrying a baby to term would probably kill both mother and infant.

Sorow-You had better wake back up! It would be terrible if something happened to you. Your a good friend to a lot of people here and I like what you have to say.

Fire Storm- I did hear something about that shooting, last I heard was that they don't know if the gun went off by accident or not. I hope it did, I don't want to think about a 6 year old wanting to kill someone.

Planet of the Apes-Oh God! I used to like those films, but when I started to use my mind those films started to piss me off! They had so many chances to prevent the destruction of Earth and save everyone (Ape and Human alike), but noooooooo everyone had to be out for themselves and BOOM! CRASH! BAM! even SPLAT! In every movie they had a chance for peace and co-existance, but they screwed it up everytime, even though the answer was right in front of their faces and was practically screaming at them.

Anne><<Does Louis show up in any of her other works???>> I think he's in every Anne Rice vampire book that I've read, except for "Pandora".

Doug- Congrats old man! I stay away from alchole too, since I won't be legal till July and because it take me a while to develope a taste for it.

Politics-Man I can't get away from this. I'd better do some research on these guys before I have to vote. Anyone know of a website that gives info. on most of the candidates? Here in California...I don't know what it is, but we are a little confusing. The last poll taken was that the majority prefer Bush over McCain and Gore over Bush, but we like McCain over Gore. Right now I'm focusing more on the propositions in California, for example, I think it's Prop. 22 that if passed CA won't recognise same-sex marriages and that just seems wrong to me. Who are we to say that two people can't get married just because that they are both male or both female. Didn't this whole thing come up once or twice before? But it didn't have to do with same-sex marriages, no it had to do with people whose skin wasn't white. We go through this everytime someone does something that another person doesn't "like" even though it doesn't hurt anyone. How long is it going to take before everyone realizes that everyone is equal and deserves that same rights and privileges. Oh great this is almost a rant. I just get so angry when I hear of some of the reasons for why this prop. should be passed.

Sharp-tongue'ed-I'm going to have to agree with some of what Toku Kaioto sayed. We should all have a say in what goes on in the country regardless of gender, skin color, religion, sexual preference, ETC. Even though the way you worded your post makes every single male (me included) out to be the enemy I'm sure you understand that not all men act in such a discriminatory way.

Well it would appear that I've had some built up energy that needed to be let go.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 03:33:11 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Well everyone, for those who havent heard from CNN, there has been yet another school shooting. Apparently one student made the other made, so the second one (a male) brought a gun to school the next day and shot her. After the shooting, the student ran past a teacher and threw the gun in a garbage can. No charges are planned against the Flint, MI youth. Why?
Because he is *6* years old. Thats right. A First grader! My God! *6*!

ATTENTION ALL FAN-FIC WRITERS:
I have a question for all of you fan-fic writers out there:
How many of you have someone else proof-read your fan-fic before posting it? (It IS one of the ten fan-fic commandments) And if you do have someone proof it for you, do you give them credit?
I am just curious.

BTW... I do. Lady Mystic helps me proof my stories before I post them, and I also say that she helps in the header of my stories.

Shadowrider: The Poll: Can I choose a Cybernetic Gargoyle?
If not, Cyborg. Hell, I plan on doing it any way one day.

OH yeah! Have you heard? There is a guy that is currently trying to become a cyborg! (He had a puny little chip in his arm, but he is going for a direct neural interface!)
My hero! As long as he publishes how-to's, I am there!

SOROW: I have just been busy as hell and I have been a little depressed about my whole life lately. Quite frankly, I have thought about just ending it all. (And no, not my life. My own business. I need money, damnit.)
I HAVE been browse-lurking, though. And besides... I did post last week.

Warpmind: <Got any nice little Trojans lying around?>
Ya know... there is a REALLY bad joke somewhere in there, and I don't quite feel like going after it.

Gargs fans in other countries: I have heard that some games in other countries have no children in it and some countries have no violence in their games. Any truth to this rumor?

Auntie Starsinger: There are much better ways to control the world other than brainwashing. The media for example...

Niamhgold: <Problem is, I'm a lurker.>
Ya know... we need a lurkers anonomus <SP!>. But, would anyone show up to the meetings?

I don't know who brought this up, but I remember someone joking about making Gargoyles IRL. Now, if someone DID actually create sentient gargoyles, would they be given human rights, or would they be seen as slaves/tools/objects/property/ETC. I am not asking what SHOULD be done, but what WOULD be done?
On the same note, what about Artificially Sentientce? (A.I. and A.S. are different. Artificial Intelligence does not mean artificial life. AS does.) If a machine thinks and can be classified as "alive," should it and would it have human rights? (Or at least the right to live and the right to choose what is done to it.)

(Ok, Ok... I have been thinking alot lately.)

Just thought I would mention that Lady Mystic and Puppy Girl are sick again. Sore throat, achey. They will get better.

Sharp-tongue'ed: <YOU MUST BE JOKING!!!> Word of warning: This room contains alot of Brooklyn, Demona, and Jericho lovers. And they are RABID about there loves!
<RANT>
I may be going out on a limb here, but I am guessing your female, right?

Robby: <Speaking of bad books>
Try Arthur C Clarks scienific books. I thought that if he could write good books like the 2001 series, his other books may be pretty good, but...
<We ended up with something that would have for SURE won the "Worst Fanfic" award.>
Speaking of which, when are the transcripts going to be available?

Katara: <What's with the sudden outbreak of babies in here anyways? *nervously looks down at her glass of water and decides she's not that thirsty after all* lol>
Be careful how you joke like that. Every time I joke like that, they think Lady Mystic (my girlfriend) is pregnant!
(NOTE: She isn't.)

Fighting video games: I prefer sci-fi role playing, but when I did play Mortal Kombat, I did pretty well as Rayden, Sub-Zero and Scorpion. Everyone else was just targets.

Jewel: <Guess I am a wee bit left-wing...>
Same here. I guess that means that we think that people should be able to control and fend for themselves, eh? (more or less)
Interesting comment on the fetus being a parasite. I have been watching more and more medical programs lately, and nearly all of them agree to that. Heck, some of them even SAY that!
<OK, someone, *anyone* tell me why boneheaded men can't get it through their frikkin' sculls that a woman can work in
computer tech support?!!?>
Ever read "User Friendly?"
Well, I think it stems from the the thought that only men can do technical things. It may be a stereotype, but it has been nearly drilled into mens skulls for so many years.
When a sterotypical woman has something broken, who does she call? The stereotypical male.
Personally, I know better than that. My girlfriend, for example, has learned a helluva lot about computers in the past few years, and I even ask her help on a few things, and I am a tech! Also, on the other side, I have a customer that has said that my gf does not have any technical skills, even though they have seen her perform them.
The bad thing about stereotypes is that the people who are effected by them usually do little to thwart those rumors. My mother and sister are still very technically inept, my male ex-coworkers were terrified at the meer mention of "maxi-pad" let alone seeing one, etc etc.

SJ: <Case in point--firefighting.>
Should I mention that my uncles new GF is a firefighter also? Women can train their bodies to have just as much strength, if not more, than the average male.
I do agree, though, that the standards should be the same, NO MATTER WHAT. No bias on sex or race. If you have equal ability, you should be treated as an equal.
<but I must say, I feel that is a terribly cynical view to have of a human fetus>
Cynical, yes, but it does have some medical basis in reality. If it wasn't for a layer of protection on the mothers behalf, the fetus would absorb every single resource the mother has and remain in the mother until the brain is fully developed.

I see some of you RP'ers mention a BFG gun. How many of you RP'ers remember where that came from?

Taleweaver: <Personally, I'm against abortion, but not the choice.>
That about sums up my feeling about it too. "I may oppose your ideas, but I will fight to the death to defend them" and I always forget who said that.

Gside: <http://www.userfriendly.org/ and look for Miranda>
Oh, sure. Steal my spotlight on actually directing her to that!
I found out about User Friendly because it had Torg from Sluggy Freelance in it for a week. (www.sluggy.com)

Choice (On anything): If someone wants to do anything, wether illegal or not, they will find a way, and that is occasionally at the expense of other people, by way of stealing or whatever. I say open it up (Drugs, abortions, whatever). Free market will dictate prices and safety (Would you go to person A when his product/service is un-sterile or kills a higher percentage of his clients, or person B who uses more sterile conditions and less fatal stuff?)

Cyborg: <The human species as a whole has not evolved to the point where it can properly govern itself.>
But, by that thought, can we or will we evolve to that point? Humanity may not be in the best place to govern itself, but as of this moment, we are it's best chance.

Jeremy: <WHAT GAME LINE DO YOU LIKE BETTER:RESIDENT EVIL,FINAL FANTASY,MARIO ETC>
Personally I like Zelda and Metroid, on the Nintendo side.

Cairo/Jenna: <t really scares me sometimes the way some people drive with no regard to others>
Yeah... sounds like many people in my area.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 03:01:26 AM
IP: t2-17.visitus.net

Cairo is me!
jenna
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:51:42 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-115.hstntx.swbell.net

Well, I'm not going to say anything on the abortion issue, as JEB asked us to drop it- so , I'm dropping it.

Went to interview today, and the driving on 610 was nuts- it really scares me sometimes the way some people drive with no regard to others- we almost got run off the highway several times- very scary.

At any rate, the interview would mean a 1 1/2 drive to and back so it doesn't look like it will be worth it- but the good thing is that the temp service that placed me there is going to work with me and they specialize in this area, I should have an interview on Monday with a client- yippie!

cairo
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:48:54 AM
IP: ppp-207-193-227-115.hstntx.swbell.net

Sharp-tongued> You know what, your sexist views make you look very ignorant.

Male Issues and Female Issues huh? Sound an awful lot like Black Issues and White Issues to me ... just another bigoted whining attempt at taking away someone else's voice, someone else's insights, someone else's worth as a reasoning individual. We exist as a communittee of human beings, interconnected and interdependent, male, female, white, black, or other. We have a vested stake in our moral values which allow our society to continue to function.

In moral and logic issues, all that is required to work towards a valid conclusion is the ability to use reason. It does not matter whether or not the person is personally involved in the issue.

Hell, most of the time being involved personally is a good reason to Exclude a person from the deliberation on an issue. In a trial, people related to either side are excluded from jury or judge on the basis of being biased in a situation where objectivity is required.

Ethical issues don't require personal involvement. Understanding does not require first hand experience either. Truly, many, many people who have been involved in a circumstance have never reflected enough to gain a very high level of understanding about the circumstance.

Experience is one of the most forceful teachers, but it is not the only teacher, no matter how "special" we want to feel about how "I'm the only one who understands because I've LIVED it".

This might Sound nice, but that argument doesn't hold up in the court of reason.

And abortion is not a "woman's only issue" as children are both male and female, and pregnancy is also not the sole responsibily of the mother by any means at all. The father should be held equally accountable for care of a child.

Our system to deal with Deadbeat Dads is pathetic. We should seriously shape up paternal responsibility for children and stop laying all the burden and stigma of single mothers. What kind of crap is that?
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:47:48 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Hi all! :)

Doug> HAPPY 21ST BIRTHDAY!!!! ^_^

Sharp-Tongue'ed> Calm down lady!!! I'm VERY anti-abortion, and if you got me going on why, my post would be longer then a yard! Waitaminute, PMS??? Oh, never mind!! O_o

SJ> I agree with Katara on the military issue, you have no idea about adrenaline! When I thought my little sister and I were going to get kidnapped once on the street and I had swollen ankles from dancing the other night (big party), I hauled @$$ out of there and had to cut through several yards, sharp rocks included, while carrying a thrashing, kicking sister, which was why she was later named "Wildcat" as a nickname, cus when she wants to be let go of, you better let her go unless you want to look like a, um, I can't say it, too gross (in the morning). :/

Anyway, got to go to bed really now. Night all. -_- ... -_o
Anne
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:30:36 AM
IP: 209-130-164-91.nas1.apv.gblx.net

Wilek: i'm VERY interested in hearing about the aliens in your ficverse. {i might even recognize some}.

also: <<<<a short step away from being either Kentaurs {claw-footed
centaurs} or gargoyles.....a missing link?>> I was just thinking a few days ago that, in many ways,
gargoyles and centaurs are awfully similar (six-limbed critters that appear to be fusions of two or
more species), except of course for the turning to stone bit (do we have proof that centaurs didn't
turn to stone in the sun?)... >> actually, with Centaurids {back off, muse!}, you have not only the problem of getting enough to eat {which is why sevarius offers the theory that that's why gargoyles turn to stone}, but also the need for oxygenating the blood! {although humans use only 10% or less of the O2 from each breath, whales and dolphins use 90% or more of hte O2 from each breath}.

ps: note: don't say 'centaur' when you're talking to a Kentu, Hippoi, Barasahinga, Oneo, or Sileni. {part-chalothere, -horse, three-toed horse, donkey, quagga version of a satyr}. they'll hunt you down too. ::rubs sore spots::

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 02:27:37 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*gives Jewel a big hug*....Lady, I feel your pain, I truly do. I do directory assistance (IE 411.."what city and listing please") for mobile phones, and I get AT LEAST 50 idiots a day (and that's being kind). One of the more stupid things I hear is when they tell me that they are calling from their cell phone. Well, duuhhhhh! I know that. We are contracted to provide them their service, although I guess that a lot of people don't realize that. But my most favorite IDIOT comment is when I'm unable to find the listing the caller asks for and they have the nerve to come back with, "What do you mean you can't find it? I'm sitting right here in front of the store!" Excuse me!! If you are sitting right there, for God's sake, get your fat a$$ out of the car and go inside!!! GRRRRRRRR!! Or you should here the reaction when I tell them that the residential number they are looking for is unlisted/non-published. *rolls eyes*....And I've had guys want to use me as an alternate 976 operator too. A perfect example, some guy called, asked me to find a number for him. When I gave him his number and told him I'd connect him, he asked me if I'd stay on the line with him for 30 extra seconds and listen while he relaxed because he'd had such a long stressful day. EWWWWWWWWW!! NOT EVEN!! Besides, if it's only going to take him 30 seconds, I'm not interested. 45 seconds, we MIGHT be able to talk. LOL

SJ>> I agree somewhat with you in that women do have a some physical limitations on doing jobs that are more physically demanding. However it is my opinion that we should at least have the opportunity to try, AND that we should get the same pay as men do. As far as your comment regarding women in the military, specifically having to drag a heavier wounded person to a medic. It's amazing what a person can accomplish when on an adreniline rush!

Doug>> Is your b-day? Congratulations on finally reaching 21! *With a twitch of her tail and a waggle of her fingers, she conjures up a magical birthday cake. You can eat as much as you want without getting full or sick, it's what ever flavor you want it to be, and best of all, it's 100% CALORIE-FREE, so it won't wreck any diets that you might be on. =]

Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:58:32 AM
IP: abd707f4.ipt.aol.com

Small RP Note: $ Mecord- I did not kill your dragon friend, please don't get mad at me for it. I was going to put in that he escaped Mecha-Streisand's hold on him once she got blown up. He's still alive and should be okay once he gets up. Really sorry I somehow forgot to mention that. <sighs> I also acknowledge that you did hit the mech with a nano-virus, which probably helped our super-hacker Gubio take her out. Thanks. $

Apologies to any who are offended by my rant to Cyborg. I just happen to be very proud of living on this planet and being a member of the human species, even with all our faults. I reacted to Cyborg with that in mind. Hope y'all can understand and won't start a flame war with me over it. <prays, then leaves>
Doug
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:53:42 AM
IP: pool-209-138-213-131.dlls.grid.net

POLITICAL ISSUE RANT COMIN' UP...!!!!
Do you know how miffed I get every time I see some MALE gettin' up in a FEMALE issue, <bleep> it?!!!!! Abortion is an issue that should be discussed among WOMEN not MEN!!!! I myself am pro-LIFE with the exception of certain cases, but every time I see some MAN comin' up on FOX NEWS and CNN and such, actin' all flippin' HIGH and MIGHTY, who has never and WILL NEVER experience the whole process of pregancy and birth and everything that comes along with it, I nearly switch to <bleep>ing pro-choice!!!! I'm <bleep>ing tired of that <bleep>!!!! They have NO IDEA what a woman has to go through, and to put a GIRL who is not yet emotionally and COMPLETELY physically ready for that process in that position?!!!!! *screams* HOW DARE SOME OF YOU MEN EVER "THINK" ABOUT "DIRECTLY" GETTING INTO THIS ISSUE!!!! YOU'RE <bleeping>ing up the CAUSE!!!! IF YOU "REALLY" WANT TO HELP, LET OTHER "WOMEN" DO THE JOB!!!! It should be WOMEN convincing other WOMEN to not get abortions! NOT MEN!!!DO YOU <bleep>ing KNOW HOW IT TURNS SOME YOUNG WOMEN OFF, WHEN MALES DO THAT <bleep>?!! WOMEN are the ones who get pregnant, you know?!!!! It's OUR <bleep>ing bodies, pals!!!! The babies are livin' off of us, <bleep> it, NOT you!!!! IT SHOULD BE OTHER "WOMEN", WHO HAVE WENT THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE BEFORE, TALKING ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS THAN ABORTIONS!!!!! THIS IS THE <bleep>ing 21st CENTURY, LET GO OF THE <bleep>ing WHIP, BUCKOS!!! "WOMEN CAN TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER, AND WE DON'T NEED SOME MAN WHO DOESN'T KNOW <bleep> HE'S TALKING ABOUT GETTING UP INTO THE MIX!!!!

^huff^ ^puff^ I apologize, I'm just sick and tired of males, trying to control a female's body, like we're some type of livestock their breeding. It's a new century now and we should be over that like some other issues. I LOVE guys, I ADORE them, but when they do things like this it really ticks me off. Plus I got PMS... I'll get back to that Brooklyn issue later, when I'm more calm.
Sharp-tongue'ed
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:38:38 AM
IP: dial8.b2.tnt4.sea.wa.freei.net

**RP HERE- AVOID IF YOU WANT**

Somewhere in one of the deepest, darkest, most awful pits of Hell a huge mountain thirty times the size of Mount Everest rises from a dark plain full of chained and moaning politicians, religious zealots, and various other fanatics from every nation on Earth as well as those on several other planets. This great crag has no official name, but those who have heard the amount of screams that issue from it daily call it simply the Mountain of Woe. Inside the network of caves that exist inside it like blood vessels in a human, some of Hell's most notorius, cruel, and evil demons create their plans for enacting suffering on the multiverse, the screams echoing in the background proving very much conducive to their creative thoughts. Currently, in one of the mountain's many conference rooms, several of these demons are holding a meeting and discussing their latest plot to take over the planet of Earth and bring on the Apocalypse. "We already have power in Earth's most powerful nation," Gothmenes declares to his cohorts, smiling as he nods at Ted Turner, Steve Case, Geraldine Laybourne, Maxine Waters, Al Gore, Mullah Ali Omar of the Taliban, and Pat Robertson (all of whom are of course really demons in disguise). "Soon," the balor demon lord laughs, "the plan we have just agreed on will be enacted in America. You, Ted, and you, Geraldine, will beam over the parts of the world's media which you control hypnotic beams that will corrupt all the idiots your programming has created in America who see and hear the message to our will. Then, you, Steve, will simultaneously shut down every computer your company has infested, paralyzing America. Maxine and Al will be keeping the government busy debating what to do, further preventing any response to us. And then, Pat's crazed army of zealots who think they are Christian, and Ali's of fanatics who think they are Muslim will deploy from their training grounds in Afghanistan to attack Atlanta." "I of course will be leading that army," Pastor John grins from where he sits beside Synatia the pit fiend. "Actually, you shall only be third-in-command of it," she corrects him, the glare in her eyes brooking no argument. "Galante will be overseeing you, and overseeing him will be my greatest servant." "Oh, right," Pastor John nods with a frightened look on his face. "Of course." "In Atlanta," Gothmenes goes on, "with the sacrifice of 666,666 innocent human souls, we shall open the secret HellGate beneath the city and release the demons within, who will go forth and conquer America for us. After it falls, the rest of the pitiful planet will not be far behind." "Brilliant, Father," chuckles Ithaine. "Yes, brilliant," Deavik agrees. "By the way, what are you planning to do about the ones who may to stop your plans? Like those accursed mostly unknowing servants of God, the Black Ravens?" "Oh, don't worry about them," Ted Turner chuckles. "Even as we speak, my Hollywood Ten are on the Avatar getting rid of them, along with that annoying Reverend Atilla and his Scouts." "Excellent!" Demon Cromwell grins. "You're managing to do something I've been trying to accomplish for years! I am proud of you!" "Well," Ted grins sheepishly. "I actually don't know if they're succeeding yet, but I'm sure they are. They are my greatest servants." "I hope they are succeeding, Theodore," Gothmenes intones. "For your sake. Though you are very important to our plan, we would be willing to kill you if you fail." "I know," Ted nods. "And I'm sure I'm succeeding. I purchased a machine which will ensure I can not fail." "Alright then," Deavik frowns as much as his featureless face can allow. "I hope you trust it. Now, let us further discuss what we shall do after America is within our grasp. I suggest we hold a torture party." The other demons begin to agree jubilantly as the screen goes blank.

**TEMPORARILY PAUSE RP**

Greetings everyone! :) Today I speak to you as someone who is no longer a minor, no longer a teenager, no longer someone who is subject to all the idiot laws out there restricting the freedoms of those younger than me! Yes, you guessed it, it's my birthday. March 1st. I, Douglas Elder, am 21. You know what that means, right? <grins> Yes, that's right, I can rent a car in Texas now! I can enter most nightclubs that push younger people out even if they're responsible! I can change my name legally without parental consent! I can get arrested and not be subject to juvenile justice! And, of course, I can drink! <smiles and takes a swig from bottle in his left hand, then frowns> Hmm, alcohol tastes horrible. <grimaces and throws bottle into garbage can> Maybe being this old isn't as good as I thought it was. <shrugs> Oh well, it had to happen, I guess. Hope you'll all somehow celebrate the occasion with me. Now, on with the post.

Fanfic Progress: I'll be taking my birthday off from writing, of course, but for those of you who care, only that day will be without work on "Elysium." It's coming along well, with much creative energy floating into it. Still in the middle of it, building tension before the big shocking events involving Broadway, Angie (this is my birthday, I will call her that, I don't care what she does), Rachel, Graeme, Phuong, JC, and other characters who somehow get exposed to the effects of the drug around which rotates the story's plot. Those events will be followed by the appropriate emotional tension, battles, verbal debates with obvious resolutions- you know, the usual Doug Elder stuff. :) 29 pages, and counting. Will probably be a lot more before it's done.

SOROW: <Yeah, I know. I'm a bitch ;)> And we like you anyway. :) Hope Joe got a good grade on his work, and glad your life's settled down as far as hassles go. It probably won't stay that way for long, but you are enjoying it while it does, right? <grin> Hope Joe's life somehow improves soon. Glad someone else is missing our absent friends, I too pray for their eventual return.

SJ: Yep, I remember James Bond, Jr. And I agree with you, it was pretty lame. Especially since they tried to cram a whole James Bond movie into a half hour with every episode and make it kid-friendly. <sighs> That did not work in so many ways. Personally, I think Max Steel's a little different, though. It has more technology, better animation, more interesting villains, more interesting recurring characters (or at least it looks that way) who I think are actually going to be developed, Greg as a writer, etc, etc, etc. Therefore, I really can't see how an equation of the two is justified. <shrugs> I guess, in other words, that means I don't share your opinion. :) Though I can see your point about Max Steel. The plot of the episode wasn't dull IMO, but it was kinda predictable. Guess it took a diehard action flick fan like me to enjoy it. <grin> Good bit on the differences between the sexes by the way. I do agree with you that the standards for jobs that are rightfully demanding should not be lowered just in the name of equality. I have found, though, that many women can do all the same things men can, provided they have the feeling of need, will, and persistent drive to become able to. Too many of them, unfortunately, are arguing for an easy road to gender equality instead. :( So Mummy 2 is coming out, huh? That's good, hope it turns out to be entertaining as the first one was. It should be if they at least bring back the girl.

Todd: Thanks for the info recap, I think I already knew about most of what you said. :) You're probably right about that Gargouille story being a convienent myth for explaining Garg architecture and misguided views of them. :( Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your viewpoint, it's not that well-known. (Even me, someone who's researched gargoyles somewhat extensively on the net for his fanfic, didn't know about it until you told me. Surprising, huh. <unamused frown> )

Gargs in Bible: Cherubim and Seraphim as gargs, huh? I can see that. (In fact, I'm going to be using it. Some of the gargs in the Pakistani/Middle Eastern clan in my fanfic will resemble seraphim and cherubim as well as genies, rocs, winged sphinxes of Babylon, and other figures of Arabian myth.) I think in real history, if the Bible was ever brought into the series, the verses about the seraphim and cherubim on the Ark and tabernacle would probably be used as the first real instance of man putting gargoyle statues on something in order to protect it. :) And of course it would be used as such in speeches of religious figures who supported gargs. As for a garg protecting the Garden of Eden, <shrugs> I don't know, that would probably get used by Castaway to turn mankind further against gargoyles and get him in a lot of trouble with all the God-loving people on this planet. Hmm. <fanfic ideas coming on> Nah, that probably wouldn't work. Besides, I can't really see it happening myself. God IMO wouldn't need to use gargoyles to protect the Garden of Eden, he'd find someone who could do it better and keep humans out of there, period. (Not to slight gargs here, I'm just acknowledging that like us, they have human faults, and therefore wouldn't be as perfect guardians as a stereotypical flaming sword angel. Whoa, another fanfic idea is coming on now. :) Better get on to a different topic before I have to start writing it down.

Comics: Cyclops is dead? <grins ecstatically> Dead dead? For real? <reads posts> Oh right, of course it's only temporary. What was I thinking? <sighs> I too am one of the many X-Men fans who's disliked him. Only X-character I've hated more is Rogue (reason- the writers never let her have any fun and her whole character revolves around that. At least Angel the vampire, who's kinda in the same situation, is able to do more with his life than beat up bad guys and moan about how he can't touch his love interest!). Every character in the X-Universe has become stagnant to one degree or another, I see it every time I flip through their comics at my local store (I stopped buying them quite a while back), Cyclops is just the primary male example of that fact. :( This stagnation is the main reason I've only used the X-Men as a plot device in my fanfic saga so far and probably will continue to in the future. I'd develop them further, but Marvel's already done too much to convince me their characters can't be any way other than how they are. :(
BTW, I too have purchased and enjoyed Garth Ennis's treatment of the Punisher, scenes from which I am probably going to be using in my next fanfic guest-starring him- "Vigilante War." The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe is a gem as well, especially for all those fans who have grown disgusted with Marvel over the years. Other comics I continue to enjoy are those Kit mentioned in her last post, and the ones in the local paper (which include reruns of Peanuts that continue to cause me to miss the departed genius that was Charles Schultz. :)

Spike: Thanks for posting those art contest results. I'm glad some of the pics I liked did so well. (Others didn't, but hey, that's life.) Thanks for the Reunion also, it was fun while it lasted and I'm sorry I didn't have time to experience it more. Hopefully next year things will be somewhat different. :)

Stormy: I too hope they do another Reunion next year, and more people attend it. You're welcome for the vote.

Jewel: Good luck dealing with that "little problem" of yours. <shakes head> I am really glad I haven't had the experience of dealing with anything similar. If you need help with him that I can provide, you know who to call. :) As for those idiots on your tech support line, I agree with your boss, you have every right to give them hell. The more we remind the chauvinist pig males of the world that women are capable, the sooner will come the day when we no longer have to worry about them. That's my belief, anyway. :) I too am a feminist, even though I'm a guy.

Niamhgold, Hydroholic, Cyborg, Silverstar, etc: Welcome Newcomers! Always glad to see your kind in here. :) Hope you continue to enjoy the time spent.

Brave New World: <mutters> Someone just had to bring up that book. Folks, I have read many things in my lifetime. Most of them I have enjoyed. That story is definitely not on the list, unlike its way-better-written contemporary with similar themes 1984. The vision of the future it was talking about seemed too crazy, and yet too frighteningly real. If Huxley had managed to make that come across in a less obvious way, like Orwell did, it might have been better accepted by me. <sighs> As things were, I hated the expression of the novel's themes so much I was glad when I got to the last word and was able to put it down. The flat characters and boring plot didn't do much to make things better. Been about the same way with most Ayn Rand novels I've read, for the reason Green Baron mentioned. :) I agree with what Skippy said about how such a society as depicted in BNW is unnatural in real life and like him and Kit wish that reality would go ahead and make those who think it is wise up. :( I also disagree with Mr. Thrugg about how it can apply to a gargoyle clan (individuality, emotion, love, etc., were very important to the clan, even in the Dark Ages, and remain so today), though he does make some good points about the psychological evolution of the characters we all know and love.

10th Kingdom: Haven't been watching this myself. Read a bad review of it in the local paper that made it sound like really bad fantasy and therefore put it on my tune-out list. :( Some of the comments I've heard in here about it make me think that could have been wrong, but I guess I'll never know now since I've missed half the series already and guess I might as well not watch the rest. <sighs> At least I'll be spared the agony of dumb redneck Ferangi trolls and Camryn Manheim as Snow White (apologies to any fans of her in here, I too appreciate Camryn Manheim's acting ability, like her as a person, etc. I've even given her the role of an important and very dangerous villain in my fanfic saga (Tiamat). But for some reason, I just can't see her in the role of Snow White. Don't know why, but I can't. <sighs again and decides to go on to another topic> )

Ninth Gate: Not too interested in seeing it myself. Maybe it's cause Stigmata, Dogma, and End of Days last year have already took up all the adoration my mind can give towards apocalypse movies. Or so I currently believe. :) I'm not a big fan of Roman Polanski either, though Johnny Depp (aka Johnny in my fanfic) and Frank Langella (aka Null, Lindwyrm the Dracolich) I do like seeing in action. Maybe I'll end up seeing the film just for them. :)

Martial Arts: Haven't been involved with them much myself. The only teachers of it I've really studied under in my lifetime were a pair of tae kwon do tutors who acted more like stereotypical gym teachers than senseis and didn't seem very good at the art themselves (the class was full of obnoxious snots who were looking at studying martial arts as a way to be cool and nothing more too, the teachers encouraged them to be that way. I ended up starting to skip the class about halfway through its semester and using the money and time Mom gave me for it to do things I wanted to do a la Bart Simpson. I'm sure even the biggest martial arts fans in here can understand why); and this one guy who was a triple Dan in jeet kune do, kung fu & tai chi, as well as a really nice person who was willing to work with me even though I displayed many faults (the tae kwon do bitches reminded me of said faults as much as possible, this guy didn't talk about them and helped me correct them instead of just demanding it). He made house calls to do the training, taught me honor and discipline along with the skill, made me practice every day, displayed an attitude of adviser and teacher that was a cross between Sata and Kaioto, did everything I expected of a good martial arts teacher. :) Unfortunately, his services were also too expensive for Mom to procure for more than four months. <sigh> My attitude towards martial arts has largely been developed from experiences with these teachers, I see them as a good thing to teach one defense, honor, and discipline, but also something that like most things in this world can be perverted and used for evil if looked at in the wrong way. :( I continue to practice the routines Master Linnet (the good sensei) taught me today, though not as much as I used to, because they are good exercise and have helped me in many fights I've unfortunately gotten into over the years. I continue to enjoy them as such, and also enjoy the martial arts I see in movies and fighting games, though I do agree they're somewhat too flashy and geared towards effect. :) Overall, I think I'll never see martial arts in the same light as people like Bruce Lee, Shadowrider, and Jackie Chan. It's not a passion for me, or a way to earn a living. It's just something that has been helpful to a lot of people, myself included, and I will continue to treat it as that, with all the proper respect that goes along. :)

Shadowrider: Hmm, interesting Italian gargoyle-related legend. I've got to ask my Italian stepfather about it, maybe with enough info from both of you I can somehow incorporate it into a fanfic someday. (No current plans for an Italian clan in my stories, but that can change too. :)

Politics: Great, we just have to be talking about this, right? <sighs> Well, I'm not touching the abortion issue mostly since I leave such things up to the people who get involved with them to worry about (most people should do the same, IMO, including the government). Also, Kaioto has as usual beat me to the punch on making several good points about the whole debate with which I very much agree. I also will honor JEB's request. :) As for presidential candidates, I agree with all the faults of them that have been mentioned. Don't know who I'm voting for yet, though I know I'm definitely a conservative even though I do hold a liberal viewpoint on many issues. :) I like McCain most as a person, though I also respect Alan Keyes's moral courage and agree with Bush's stance on the important issues most. If the candidates could somehow be fused into one generic Republican person with all their best qualities and none of their worst, I'd vote for that person, but that is of course impossible in RL. :( That presidential selector site picked Ralph Nader for me, believe it or not. Just the same, I don't think I'll be voting for the guy. Mostly 'cause I know next to nothing about him. <sighs> Would that I could somehow escape involvement in this whole political mess. But since I'm patriotic and it's gonna affect me no matter what, I better get committed sometime. I just wish one of the candidates would stop giving me a good reason to vote for them one thought and a good reason not to the next. Whoever manages to do that first gets my support. :)

Green Baron: $ Thanks for the okay on killing Streisand. Hope you like the method of death below. :) Also hope you like the demons' plan depicted above, and look forward to your participation in stopping it. We'll have them start things off whenever it's convienent for all the plots and posters currently involved in the RP. $

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR BUFFY AND ANGEL**

Good episode of Buffy tonight, I really liked all the Faith development and that done on other characters as well. The acting was much better than I've seen on the show in a while, and the writing was good too. The dialogue was excellent in conveying emotion, especially from Willow and Tara and Faith-in-Buffy with everyone. Would go into what was good and what wasn't, but SJ pretty much already has. Wish Spike, Xander, and Anya had gotten more screen time in the episode, but the scene with the former was as usual hilarious. And I'm holding out confidence that more bits with them are ahead. Liked the Giles bits in the episode as well. As for what was done with Adam, I agree with SJ, I did kinda like Adam better when he was an enemy of humans and demons. But he was also cool as the vampires' Messiah, I look forward to what else develops from him being so. The guy definitely wins my award for most sinister Buffy villain in terms of personality (the Gentlemen win it for atmosphere and looks). <sighs> The overall plot of the episode was formulaic and predictable, but I did enjoy how Adam's involvement and Faith's redemption brought in surprising twists. Keep up the good work, Joss!

Angel: Good job on this as well. I liked the characters of the female lawyer as well as those of the demon fighters. The ep's plot was formulaic once it was revealed that Angel's clients set him up, but I still enjoyed its writing immensly. The development on Angel, Cordy, and Wesley was also nice. I especially laughing out loud at the parts involving the demon website and search engine. And of course I liked getting some more development of the demon law firm Wolfram and Hart (wonder if that name's some kind of reference). Looking forward to more new developments and episodes in both series, whenever they next appear.

**SPOILERS END**

Cyborg: Hey pal, we may have our imperfections, but some things we have right! Sure the bad stuff gets more attention and exists in more volume, but I'm not willing to let an alien race conquer us just because of it. Exterminate all the selfish, unethical, or ignorant pigs in this world maybe, but conquer the planet, no way! We've worked hard for this planet, and speaking as (hopefully) one of the good people in this world who is not doing their damnedest whether knowingly or not to make the world worse than it is, I am not about to give it up to anybody. Not without a fight anyway. Nor am I about to moan and groan about it like you are. Excuse me, but what the hell is wrong with you, man? <sighs> Ah well, I should shut up, people better at debate than me have and will respond to you. I just hope you listen to their words. :(

I guess that's about all for tonight, isn't it? :) Time for me to go have my first bit of sleep as a 21-year-old man. You all have a good night, okay? See you later. And please, don't forget we all can get along. <grin>

**RESUME THE RP ACTION**

In the Avatar Hangar, the elimination of three more of the Hollywood Ten seems to put no dent in the enemy ranks, as they are quickly replaced by the Fox executive who started putting reality specials on their network, Heather Donahue (from Blair Witch), and talk show host Jenny Jones. "Did you see that?" Jammer drops his jaw as they appear out of nowhere. "More of these people just showed up out of the blue! They've got reserves!" "So I notice," Tricia mumbles. "Wish we knew how many they had so we could make them run out." Jammer sighs, knowing she is right. Even with Warpmind, Archwolf, and Green Baron's Scouts adding their fire to the mix, the Ravens are still pinned down by the enemy's shots. Mecha-Streisand has also managed to throw off the effects of whatever hit her with, and has also somehow grabbed Mecord's invisible dragon friend in a choke hold and is proceeding to squeeze the life out of him while continuing to scatter the Ravens with a seemingly endless supply of Golden Globe Grenades. "We have to take that excuse for a _woman_ out!" Doug yells at Kit as they get up after being hit by the blast from one. "Duh!" Kit agress. "But the one rocket I've been able to hit her with so far didn't even make a dent!" Doug frowns. "That's bad. What are we going to do?" Just then Mecha-Streisand begins screaming loudly in her whiny voice, "Augh! I'm getting hurt here! Someone help me! Help me!" Doug and Kit turn as her guns suddenly begin shutting down one by one to see that some kind of weird data transmission ray is coming out of the now-transformed Onslaught's main gun and hitting Streisand in the chest. "Don't worry, lady," Gubio chuckles over the loudspeaker as everyone stops fighting to stare dumbfounded at Streisand. "You'll get the help you need." He then makes the Onslaught draw its gigantic sword and hack Streisand into bits and pieces which quickly explode. "Score!" Doug and Kit cheer along with several of their friends, then grimace as Striesand is replaced by Oprah Winfrey. The other Ravens ignore it, glad the threat of Mecha-Streisand is gone and charge into the fray to take out opponents. "Hey, what's up?" Shap yells at Spike Lee, hitting him with a punch to the face. "You know what? Your movies haven't been great in years, your opinions are those of a selfish idiot chauvinist, and I'd sooner bleach my skin like Micheal Jackson than have someone like you continue to speak for my race!" "You tell him, Shap!" Shauna chimes in, turning the protesting angry director into a pincushion full of arrows as Shap keeps punching him and then shoves him away. He soon dies and is replaced by Micheal Jackson himself. "Alright!" Shap grins, then moves in and goes to work on the King of Pop with his sword. Meanwhile Tom makes the Onslaught step on both Jenny Jones and Oprah (killing them instantly with very satisfying pops) and Jaden attacks the Fox executive in a gory manner that makes most of his reality specials look tame. Elena confronts Heather Donahue and declares, "Hey, I know you! You're that whiny b^$ch from the fake movie that stunk to high heaven!" "You mean Blair Witch?" Donahue shoots back. "It didn't stink, it ruled! And yeah, it was a fake, you should have guessed that. You and all the others who spent their time and money on it. I thought you people were smart." "And I thought you had to be nice in real life!" "Well, tough titty, lady. Ha Ha, you're wrong. Get used to it!" Elena frowns in shock, then smiles. "No, thank you," she says. "I think I'll show you what being a b^#ch is all about instead." With that she transforms into her Liberation Angel incarnation and proceeds to go medieval on Donahue while cussing her out with words no one in the CR has heard before and a level of rage few have seen. The Ravens cheer once again as Donahue and the Fox guy are eliminated, then gasp as they are replaced by yet more Hollywood jerks. "There's no end to these enemies!" Erin gasps. "There has to be sometime," Lathrop counters. "Not with the way Hollywood is," mutters Keith. They all sigh and keep shooting at their foes, hoping to soon gain an upper hand over the still-powerful and numerous Hollywood Ten.

**END THIS BIT OF RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:29:19 AM
IP: pool-209-138-213-131.dlls.grid.net

*Chibi-Claw walks in with a nasty bazooka and challenges the rest of the chibis into yet another chibish squabble*

Sheesh. Chibis, always fighting. *throws paper ball at Claw, unfortunately [actually, very fortunately] misses*

Hi all! :)

SJ> _You_ liked the Mummy? Well I never thought... *ponders SJ's strange attitude* I have to admit, I loved The Mummy too, it had cool special effects, characters that I immediately adored (or else learned to like), and I enjoyed the whole thing, practically. Seeing the sequel will make me very happy, and seeing our two hero/ine's nine-year-old kid getting snatched by the evil guy (forget his name, it was something like Imophet, I think) and restart the whole thing will be fun (the other twist is "The Rock" showing up, that's gonna add a lot of major killer butt-kicking :).

Kitainia> Yes, I had a good weekend. My friend had a birthday party and we went to the big Mall of America, spent a lot of money. I went to "Great Clips" to get my hair cut. *makes face* *sticks tongue out at chibi-Claw as he hysterically giggles* Great Clips butchered my hair. Hair that was past my shoulder blades got trimmed up to my ears. Grr. Even though that went rather badly, the good thing was that, despite Great Clip's idiocy, my hair does look rather nice (that was confirmed everytime we passed by a bunch of guys who would hoot. Oh sheesh, what PIGS!) But, no less, it was a nice weekend, my family relaxed and I passed a test successfully. And yes, I'm praying for all of you. ^_^

Jaden> I read "Interview with a Vampire" when I was eleven years old after seeing the movie for curiosity's sake. I think I was too young to get some elements, but now I think I could love all the series. Does Louis show up any of her other works???

Reverend Attila> Hehe, I would want the party right now, but how about the summer? See, we have a nice garden out back where we grow two bushes of catnip, enough to supply a lot of kitties. Right now it's too cold and the garden's dead, but in summer it'll be flourishing with a lot of catnip. :)

Oooh, cannot get into politics, I all ready have a big enough headache from banging my head against the wall from the abortion debate.

Cyborg> <<Even before clinics, before there were doctors, women were performing abortions themselves. No matter how much the government want to make abortions illegal, where there is fear, there is a way>> Unfortunately, that is a true point. Also unfortunately, most of these women who do perform their own abortions die because they hit the wrong area, causing internal damage on which point they bleed to death. *sigh*

Tim P.> Right, what a whacko!!!

I am anti-abortion, but I want to drop this before it becomes a flame war too, so there.

***BUFFY & ANGEL SPOILERS***

BUFFY: As usual, excellent episode. I don't know about the rest of you, but as I watched Faith (in Buffy) seducing Spike before turning him down, now THAT was incredible! Did you SEE how angry he was? Just wait till next episode when he confronts Buffy about that little meeting! That must've been like a kick in the groin. I am becoming a major Spike fan, I'm glad he joined the regular cast of the show, except I wish that he would get more character development. I wonder how Buffy's going to take Faith-and-Riley's little party night, it looks like she's not taking it well at all. As usual, Anya is cooing over Xander, and I think he's warmed up to her A LOT. It was quite interesting to watch Faith's development extend to a different character, and at the end she seemed changed. At the end, in the church with the confrontation, where Faith was screaming at Buffy (with Faith's body), it looked like she didn't hate BUFFY, she was striking at HERSELF, her own body, because she realized how awful she was. I think she was really liking Buffy's life and didn't want to go back to her own awful one. Overall, through all these confrontations and their masterfully done conclusions, I rate this episode 10/10. :)

ANGEL: I love the character developement being done on Wesley and Cordelia. My, at the beginning of Season One, how to think that Cordelia would take to her future of annalyzing demon sludge and decaying bodies and all that stuff? Not well, at all. >:) Angel facing the demons was awesome, I like how the way he stood his ground and the other demons finally realized how right he was, that one green dude had a familiar voice too. Great episode, rated 8/10. :)

****END SPOILERS****

Okay, gotta get to bed. Bye all! :)

*Lures chibi-Claw out with sprite and a huge wallet of money (fake that is, but he dunno it :p )*
Anne
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:17:31 AM
IP: 209-130-164-91.nas1.apv.gblx.net

[A hacking sound--not coughing or illegitimate computer access, but hacking as in with a cleaver--is heard from the corridor. It abruptly stops, and Wilek enters with an axe, and covered in blood, not his own.] Hello all.

SJ> <<This is bound to piss people off, but damnit, I wanna see the Rock kick undead zombie mummy ass!>> Heh...I liked that movie, and I was eagerly anticipating the sequel...but now...<shudder> [Fantasy scene: Location, Caer Sidi, Wilek's ficverse. Rock: "You see here, Mr. Arawn...you can take that sword, turn that sumbitch sideways, and stick it right up your black-caped ass! If you smell what the Rock is cooking!!!" Arawn: "<raises eyebrow> All that I 'smell' is the authoritatively offensive bodily odor of an obvious retard; one who is soon to return to whatever hell he came from." Arawn gestures, and the Rock is enveloped by black light; when it clears, he's nothing but a rotting corpse.] Hehe...Damon or DiCaprio in Tim Burton's "Planet Of The Apes"> No. Dear gods, *no*...Burton would never allow this...<<That's the beauty of voting--you cast your ballot, and then go home to be disappointed by the results.>> Heh...that, combined with the whole jury duty thing, is why I will never vote...

Comics> Ehh, the only one I read nowadays is Sluggy Freelance, although I do have a few Garfield, Far Side, Calvin & Hobbes, and Dilbert books...

Warpmind> <<Wilek, if you please? Got any nice little Trojans lying around? ;)>> If you're referring to the virus type (please, gods, let that be the case), then no; I don't want to take the risk. Besides, they'd keep setting off my virus checker, and that could get annoying fast. :P

Theresa> <hugZ> Welcome back! Where've you been all this time? :D Hypnosis site> OOOOoooooohhh...I have *got* to use some of these ideas...thanks! ^_^ <> Sure thing. (Forgive my curiosity, but...any particular reason? ^_^)

Peter> <<If there's anyone who wishes to see season two of beast machines, but doesn't get YTV just follow my name link to download the episodes.>> And they're in some bizarre alien format that causes Media Player to crash...<butchers Mr. Disconnect>

Jeremy> <> I acquired it recently...just found the lift battery and now I'm looking for the lift. Heh...it figures; I tripped over that stupid thing twenty times when I was looking for something else, and now that I'm looking for it, it's been pulled into an alternate dimension or something...Ah well, maze theory indicates that if you keep making left turns, you'll eventually see the entire maze...<<WHAT GAME LINE DO YOU LIKE BETTER:RESIDENT EVIL,FINAL FANTASY,MARIO ETC.>> Ehh...I can never choose just one; Resident Evil is creepy, Mario is great fun, Final Fantasy has an incredible storyline, Castlevania has great music and gameplay, there are a lot of others I like...<<Hey does any one here watch wrestling?>> No. I also don't drive red hot needles into my eyes. ;P

Newcomers> Welcome, surrender your sanity, don't tick off the mutant mistletoe (where is that thing, anyhow...?)

Niamhgold> <<By the by, what image do you think I should use? I don't want to infringe upon anyone's rights.>> I tend to choose pics that resemble me or my characters (I post with Gabriel in the other CR, and Ms. O'Connor here eerily resembles my best friend Miriam), although anyone here can use any pic they want (except the DumlaoX pic, which is admins only). :) <<Anyone have any preferences on who they'd like to see in swimsuit? (Please be kind!)>> [Teri: "Hey, what size do you and Miriam--" Miriam: "*No*." Wilek: "Yeah Teri; if you and Jake even *think* about it..."]

Rodlox> <<lungfish have bone skeletons, as do the celocanths {siblings to the original amphibians}...>> Ah. I wasn't sure about those (and I was almost certain sharks had cartilege skeletons)...I stand corrected. :) <<a short step away from being either Kentaurs {claw-footed centaurs} or gargoyles.....a missing link?>> I was just thinking a few days ago that, in many ways, gargoyles and centaurs are awfully similar (six-limbed critters that appear to be fusions of two or more species), except of course for the turning to stone bit (do we have proof that centaurs didn't turn to stone in the sun?)...

Mecord> Congratulations on the new niece! ^_^

Sharp-tongue'ed> Ehh, I agree with Robby.

Robby> <<Atlas Shrugged... Does this thing ever pick up?>> As long as it doesn't drop...<<Its a pity the round robin participation night took place after submissions were due. We ended up with something that would have for SURE won the "Worst Fanfic" award... Although by the end we DID have Margot Yale getting revenge on everyone, Elisa pregnant, invading teletubbies, Brooklyn with a tatoo that said "Moth", and Xanatos dying his hair blond and shaving off his goatee so he could play John Smith in the broadway production of Pocahontas...>> :O <LOL> Gads, I have to find a transcript of this...Two dozen fighting games?! O_O The only one I ever came close to mastering was Soul Calibur, and that's only because it's so forgiving...

Kaioto> <> Bando? O_O <wonders exactly where the Bando Order from his ficverse *really* came from...>

Anonymous> <<a good website to see who your best pick for President would be.>> Oh gawdz...I tried twice, and got Alan Keyes and George W. Bush (the latter after I became more informed about the issues involved)...

Jewel> <<if they kill off Gambit (and if they have, don't tell me) I'll be sobbing incorently for a while, as will half of the female population>> Didn't know he was so popular; all I know about him comes from Marvel Vs. Capcom for the Dreamcast. ;P <<there's nothing more surreal than being a group of college girls drooling over a cartoon...>> <blink> Around here that's considered abnormal? :P Chauvinist tech support idiots> Gads...glad the higher-ups have given you permission to verbally trash the next one...when I am in charge, you'll have permission to do a great deal more than that...

$Green Baron> <<It seems my International RPs have some strange effect on RL. First we bust out Pinochet and he is retruend to santiago for medical reasons IRL. We zap Haider and he resigns IRL. Hmmmm...Next Attila and the scouts assassinate Fidel Castro and all his commie henchmen:)>> This, for some reason, reminds me of a horror story I read once...<shrug> Ah well, you can have the Scouts do Castro, then I'll think up a few targets so as to advance my own plans...hehehehehhehehehehe....$

SOROW> <> AAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKK!!!!!!! O_O' Please *please* recover from this...

Taleweaver> <<It is still illegal for people to [...] commit suicide>> <blink> How in the *worlds* do they punish that? A seance? Necromancy? Wait for the guy to be reincarnated? Or do they just throw the stiff in a cell?!

Joe> <> Ack...hope everything that's wrong clears up soon... O_o'

Christine> <<since I have a feeling we'll get a lot of pics of the ladies in the AvMists Swimsuit Edition, how about some of the guys? ; )>> [Teri: "See? It'll be--" Wilek stalks toward Jake and Teri with the duct tape. Jake: "<eep> OK, OK, we'll shut up..."] <sigh> Do anyone else's fic characters get out of control like this? I knew I never should have discontinued the use of the agony booths...

Tim P> <<if Congress wanted to, it could stick youre body into a uniform to and send you to die weither you like it or not.>> When I am king, the sociopath who came up with the bright idea of legalizing slavery during wartime will be second against the wall (right after RL)...

Cyborg> <<This is my invitation to any alien race: conquer us. Anything else has to be better than what we are doing to ourselves. Maybe you will teach us a sorely needed lesson- for good or ill.>> You wouldn't say that if you knew about half the alien races from *my* ficverse. <evil, evil laughter>
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 01:05:09 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Cyborg: about that comment to aliens: can i quote you on that? {both for my upcoming fanfiction, and for my report}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 12:58:09 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

And let's kill all the handicapped and infirm because they are a drain on all the rest of us "capable" "real" people, right? Because they are an inconvience to us ... and that makes their lives less worthy ... because our own perceived "right" to happiness is somehow higher than someone's right to all their choices and potential ...

That reasoning is unsound, unless you accept the value of personal pleasure and prosperity over duty and the very right to breath ...

If we establish a system where people are considered greater and lesser in their rights to necessities to survive, who gets to judge who is the "superior" and the "inferior"?

Such a system is dangerous ... deadly dangerous ... beware that we don't someday become a pimple on the @$$ of some alien empire that views us as a lesser species and decides to wipe us out to further their own agenda ... hope to God these "superior" people have more ethics and reason as a race than the human race does ... because that'd be our only chance in hell to live.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 12:56:46 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

JEB: Sorry about the abortions post. I forgot to check for new postings before submitting it.

Goodnight aagin.
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 12:49:39 AM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

Abortions: Anyone who thinks that abortions are simply escaping responsibility has never had a miscarrage. You don't loose your child and never think about him again- his face haunts you. You wake up in the middle of the night because you think he is crying. You buy a cupcake and stick a candle in it to celebrate his birthday. When a woman looses a child, she is not escaping from him in the slightest.
Even though an abortion might be removing the choice of the fetus, having a child can also remove a young girl's chance for a good life. Very few have the mental and physical stamina to raise a family and continue their studies past the post-secondary level. Perhaps if the hope of the child being adopted by a good family- before the scars of being an orphan set in- was not a sham, then there would be a better chance for anti- abortion laws to be accepted. I work with children in the system. Even the lucky ones who are adopted before they are four years old have alot of trouble because of how bad the system is. Find a thirteen year-old with his wrist slit because he can't stand being transfered to yet another foster home, and tell me that the adoption system is better. Tell me that a seventeen year-old would be better off as a single mother on welfare then being able to finish her degree and end up with a middle class family ten years down the line- all because the condom broke.
But enough with this rant.

Politics: The human species as a whole has not evolved to the point where it can properly govern itself. This is my invitation to any alien race: conquer us. Anything else has to be better than what we are doing to ourselves. Maybe you will teach us a sorely needed lesson- for good or ill.

Tim P: Firstly yes, there are other ways to attain disipline. However, I simply love the feel of my kata, sparring, to me, is not part of the martial arts. The martial arts (again, this is only my oppinion, not even my sensei agreed with it- he only accepted that I have it) is about training your body and focusing your mind. My preference to such extream non- combativism is simply an extream following of the dojo- kune (probably a spelling error here) my sensei kept us to: Seek perfection of character. Be honest. Be trustworthy. Refrain from unneccissary violence. To me, all violence is unneccissary. As to letting myself get kicked around... I convinced myself from the begining that any pain I feel, I deserve. It is more important to me that no one else gets hurt.

After this exhausting post, I really need my 3000 mile check- up. Goodnight all.
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 12:46:24 AM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

Sevarius Jr. > "Just one calorie; not evil enough!" ;)

Scott, The Diet Coke of Evil - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 12:40:59 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Okay.

I know this hasn't gotten to flame war point yet, but I see it's likely to soon. So I respectfully request that all the inhabitants of the CR please refrain from debating abortion any further. If you wish to continue doing so, e-mail would be a better method.

I know I'm not the admin, or even any authority, but I am the one who brought in this topic and I believe I am responsible for it. That is why that I ask, again, that it be dropped in here.

That is all I wanted to say and ask.
JEB
Wednesday, March 1, 2000 12:35:37 AM
IP: 129-2-231-62.student.umd.edu

FIGHTING<<:Yo the only fighting i know is the {get drunk pick a fight get arrested}style.PRESIDENTIAL RACE<<:This may sound ignorant but i realy couldn't care less.They all lie and cheat and most of all su..diddly..uck.So i say to hell wit them if they piss me off they stop breathing.WRESTLING<<:Hey does any one here watch wrestling?If so what do you think about foley leaving wrestling?GAMBIT<<:Yo i thought he was kind of phat.He had a cool power but realy lacked an attitude.They tried to make him dark and mysterious but at the same time wanted him to b a mack.It was sorta stupid but at the same time interesting.BROOKLYN<<:I don't know about him being a stud i realy don't check out cartoons.I mean there drawings for cripes sake.However if u ask me he was the best gargoyle hands down.He was sort of the outsider of the clan with real bad luck.He reminds me of .....well me.He is not getting the time or attention he should by the writers.At least not from what i read so far he always seems to be doing things that keep him from the main plot.Peace out peeps.
Jeremy - [Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:48:51 PM
IP: xcom-78-185.mdc.net

Abortion- Although I'm not much of a conservative, I am staunch anti-abortion. But I agree that outlawing abortion clinics will do nothing to solve the problem, and only make it more dangerous to the woman. I think there has to be a consciousness that no matter when a fertilized egg is considered alive, an abortion is still halting a person's chance at life. Because of the publicity that the abortion dilemma receives I think it is an option that impregnated women consider much too quickly. Instead of abortion being the first option, it must become a last resort.

Elections- On what little I know, I'd have to pick Bradley. Gore's a big phony, George W. Bush no matter what anyone says is a total moron, and McCain scares me. In his consolation speech in SC he said something like "We can eradicate evil. We can eradicate the difference between the rich and the poor." That made me quiver a little. He sounded less like a president and more like a zealot. Its a nice sentiment, but that's not the kind of stuff I want spouting out of the mouth of our president.
Mr. Thrugg
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:46:39 PM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

Note: That should be "[don't] expect someone else to pay for your mistakes."
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:45:55 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Politics: You know what. Screw all this namby-pamby whining about negative campaigning.

Politician: "I can't believe you said that about me! I'm so hurt."

You know what, tough @#$% bubba. The Truth hurt, don't it?

I think I have to agree with Boston Herald writing Don Feder when he points out the negative campaigning is vital to getting a more honest view of the candidates. Seriously, who is going to come out and admit to all the lying, cheating, and selling-out they have performed in politics? Nobody.

That's why we need negative campaigning, so I, the voter, know about when this guy and that guy waffled on tax cuts, or sold out to get a pet project moved ahead.

I don't want innuendo and opinionated comparisons, but I sure as hell want to see the candidate's track-records on the table when I decide what these men Really stand for. And I don't want to put up with any whining baby who can't stand up under his or her own record.

On abortion:

JEB said that he didn't think the government should be getting involved with a moral issue.

I don't want to be rude, but that kind of thinking leads to a lot of false assumptions about there being no moral authority or that what is legal should not necessarily be moral.

The laws of a government are not that which dictates morality, however, ethics surely must dictate the laws of a government if they are to be just. Examples of laws steeped in our moral values include sanctions against murder and theft.

The illegality of one more form of murder is certainly the government's business.

I'm not going to pull out the philosophical essay and analysis that rips into this. It is too easy to show all the wonderful false assumptions people throw into their arguments on both sides.

I think Traveler hits the nail on the head though. In America, we are so damn obsessed with sex, the idea of obtaining it, our rights to have it. We are also spoiled rotten ignoring our ethical duties and responsibilities. We let the government fix it. We throw it to other people. We get rid of it at someone else's expense.

Less than 1% of all abortions are made in cases of rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother.

The other 99% are motivated by escaping responsibility for one's actions. The situation is a symptom of a much larger problem.

I'll grant you that parents have a right to choose whether or not to produce a child � but that choice comes when they decide whether or not to have sex. Sex is a natural process to produce a child. Don't cry about it if nature takes its course, no matter how much "protection" you use. There is no such thing as safe sexual intercourse between a fertile female and a fertile male. Such sexual intercourse is shooting dice.

I think people young and old need to get it through their thick skulls that no matter what the odds, you just don't !#$%ing play dice with the lives of anyone for your own selfish physical pleasure.

That is just plain IMMORAL. Period. End of discussion. I don't think you have the right to Continue to exploit someone else's life to escape the consequences of your own irresponsible actions.

If you aren't ready to handle the possible consequences of sexual intercourse, you shouldn't have sexual intercourse.

Trying to weasel out of the duties and consequences of such a selfish act at the expense of a child or any other human being is irresponsible and immoral. Fathers who skip out on their kids should be beaten with rocks. I don't hold a better opinion about mothers who carve kids out of their wombs because it would be an inconvenience to their lifestyle. At least up for adoption, the child gets Some chance at having a life. The system often sucks, yes. Fix it, don't screw the kids just because you are too lazy, irresponsible, or cowardly to take responsibility for the consequences of sex.

This doesn't apply the same to rape, incest, and endangerment, but those occurrences make up 1% of abortions in the US, and I wouldn't judge them the same.

The other 99% are responsibility dodges. America has a real fear of responsibility and duty, and Americans weasel out of said responsibilities constantly � but not this time � not at the expense of a child's life.

You want a solution to this problem, the real solution? Self-control.

It isn't easy and it isn't fun. That's why it isn't popular. It is still the only rational moral course of action. Don't kid yourself.

I've seen this issue on all side around me, family, friends, and my own life's choices. This isn't a matter of lacking perspective or understanding, it is about being objective and unselfish in our decisions. That might be hard when it is such a heavy burden to us, but it is still the right thing.

A fetus isn't just a parasite you can dismiss. We all started the same way. For the most part, every fetus has the potential to become an equal member of society. The same can not be said for those with a mental or physical handicap, however.

Beware all manner of thoughts which seek to limit the moral community by dehumanizing people. The nazis and their ilk throughout time have justified their violation of human rights by dehumanizing people. It is a slippery slope indeed.

Tim P. : Damn straight. You want rights to choose, make the choice when it counts, before you put other people into the equations. 99% of the cases (the cases that should be illegal) people already had a choice, they chose wrong. They chose to gamble. They lost. Pay the #$%^ up, but expect someone else to pay for your mistakes.

You can do what you please � until you cross the lines of interactions with others, violating their rights.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:42:45 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

election > I must admit, I am _not_ a political minded-person at _all_...I hate having the whole "lesser of two (or three!) evils" type choice to make. though I suppose I am fairly liberal in my standpoint. Eh. Right now I am not paying as much attention as I probably should be to the candidates.

Christine > << yes, got the story and the pics (_great_ story, btw, though I did edit some of the language and toned down the part with the troll <g>). Been a busy week so I haven't caught up on e-mail yet, sorry.>> Oh, understood, completely. I just get paranoid. I expected the troll would need a little toning down, as well as the language, of course. And thanks so much for the complement! It means a lot, coming from you! :) Looking forward to seeing the rest of the contributions tomorrow!
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:21:42 PM
IP: ctrts1-4.mrs.umn.edu

I got an unusual phone call during Radio Workshop this evening.

ME: Hello, this is K-92. May I help you?

WACKO: Yes, do you take requests?

ME: Sure, what's you're request?

WACKO: Could you kill yourself?

ME: [beat] Gee, I don't thiink so. That's a pretty tall order.

WACKO: Uh, Okay, bye.

[Hangs up phone]

As if this class didn't already suck enough.

SJ: <<McCain (and Bush, if he had the sense) SHOULD be trying to win over some voters from the independents and, dare I say it, the Democrats. It's called running a good campaign.>> You're right. I'm rooting for him even though I'm a Democrate. I'd go for Alan Keyes, but things aren't ooking too good for him. I think our government has become too liberal and needs to emphasize more conservative values. Many of my fellow Democrates have become "Passion Facist," putting people on undue guilt trips bcause of the wrongdoings of others and forfeiting personal responsiblity and our rights just becuase of what a few people say or do.

As I grow older, I become gradually more conservative. For example, a few years ago I was a strong supporter of affirmative action. But now this well intentioned program has backfired. Now incompent people are getting jobs not because they are the best at what they do, but because of their race.

Anonymous: <<Those of you voting for McCain- are you all aware he's anti-abortion, and one of his campaign promises is to overturn Roe vs. Wade and have the abortion issue re-debated? I certainly don't plan on voting for any man who would threaten the right of US citizens to own their own bodies.>>

Hey, guess what? It's been that way for a very long time. And it will be that way for a very long time. You can't inject heroine into your body. You're not allowed to drink or use tobacco products until a cetain age. You can't comittte suicide(or do a lousy job at it that is). You can't prostitute yourself in many places. And if Congress wanted to, it could stick youre body into a uniform to and send you to die weither you like it or not.

What are these pro-choice people complaining about? These days you still have a choice without abortion- regular, ribbed, clear, glow-in-the-dark, the pill, UDs, or abstainance!

<<I used to study Kenpo (when I was in remmision). When it comes to the martial arts, I admire the dicipline and the form above the rest. Personnaly, I would prefer to be killed rather than hurt someone else.>> Sorry if I sound like a wise-ass, but why bother to study if your're just gonna let yourself get kicked around? There are other ways to attain disipline.

Click here to a website on martial arts and other fighting techniques.
Tim P.
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:51:01 PM
IP: bn821-01.wsc.edu

**looks over the past day's comments** Hmm ... okay ...

Sharp-tongue'ed: Actually, the reason why Brooklyn is so high on the studmuffin scale (so to speak) is less about his looks and more about his attitude and personality.

Ayn Rand: Speaking from experience (I read "The Fountainhead" in high school), I'd have to say there's positives and negatives to Rand's school of thought. While it's good that she emphasizes self-expression and staying true to yourself in all that you do in life ... she puts forth a philsophy of being so true to yourself that you enter into a world of your own and never come out of that shell until you either die or are pried out with a foot ankle-deep in yer @$$.

Anonymous/JEB: I am certainly aware that McCain is pro-life. However, one thing you also have to consider is that not every candidate's viewpoints wil match your own. Quite frankly (and this is my opinion, mind you), the Democratic race is humorous to watch ... you have Bill Bradley acting like the jumpy underdog ... then you have Al Gore ... I'm sorry, but I just can't vote for someone who has all the charisma of a formica countertop.
(And for the record my own views lean to pro-choice on abortion, but then again considering I'm one of a very rare breed ... male feminists ...)

GB: Bush Sr. tried to be, yes, however Bush Jr. is trying way too hard to make himself look *really* good to the right-wing faction of the Republican party, which is going to wind up being the deciding factor in the general elections ... right now McCain is a much more electable Republican than Bush Jr. because McCain is taking the initiative to reach out to *everyone,* not just the ones who've elected Strom Thurmond to the Senate to the point of near-oblivion and their like.

Christine: Oh, drop me a line with your snail-addy, my friend, I've misplaced it and I'm gonna send ya some stuff. :)

One last political thing before my brain explodes: Whichever candidate wins the Republican nomination, be it McCain or Bush Jr. ... no matter which one wins it, he will be an utter and complete *fool* not to run with Elizabeth Dole as his running mate, just on the basis of the amount of support she received prior to her withdrawal from the race. Either one of 'em ... if he wants to get elected, Liz Dole is gonna be his ticket. You just watch.

**exits, grabbing his head**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:36:38 PM
IP: zzz-209252248059.splitrock.net

JEB: Mistake noted. An anon calling card can be confusing to decipher just by using the ISP.

Still, Scott, if you're out there, I still love "Diet Coke of Evil" ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:28:36 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

10th Kingdom> Yep,it sucked, watched the first night and didn't bother with the rest. What really turned me off were the idiot trolls. Anyone else thought they were Punk Rock Ferengi? Flaming Gods they were pathetic. I did like the "Suck an Elf!" epiteth. If they justhad played the trolls with some real menace it would have worked so much better...

Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:27:38 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-37.ultravision.net

Robby> <<it would be neat to get a father and son presidency thing going with only one president between them>>: What was the time between John Adams and John Quincy A.?

Fighting styles: Anyone here learn Drunken Boxing?

Death of Cyclops: Does anyone else think that Mr. Sinister should have been named Kanenas?

Shadowrider> I must apologize, but the little pedant in my brain will beat my basal ganglia to a blody pulp unless I say something. In English, punctuation does not replace the space (hyphen is an exception), and there are two spaces after a period.

Pick your prez: Apparently I am a democrat. Wouldn't that shock my aunt (she is an amazingly staunch Republican). Though I am happy that I appear to agree with fellow Joizeyan Bill Bradley (64), closely followed by John Hagelin and Ralph Nader (62 and 61 respectively)

Caliope> <>: I wasn't really talking to you, it's just that your comment gave me an opportunity to further explain my opinion. And to explain what I think you didn't get, coude was a typo and should have been code. A parser is basically a program that takes human input and converts it to something a computer can understand (those who have played the original Infocom text adventures should be familiar with this). And then I was trying to say that the interface should be able to go back and make changes instead of just adding on "this should be changed to that."

Green Baron> <<and pro-Latin Mass>>: Random question: have you ever been to a composed Mass? I think that is something I would like to do sometime (expecially if it's by one of the old masters: Handel does some things very well).

Jewel> <<there's nothing more surreal than being a group of college girls drooling over a cartoon>>: How about a group of guys crowed around a window (holding a light with the same intensity as the sun and an actual police lightbar (we *are* engineers)) looking at the suite acros the way after the resident girls flased us with (dictionary definition) flashlights while they are (apparently) getting drunk and dancing. Or is that normal? And then we crowd around one computer while the owner nukes all his neighboring countries in Civ II. Or is that also normal?

David G.> <<Abortion takes all the choices the yet-to-be-born human will ever have away>>: To further fan the flames of the war that is soon to erupt, I must say that is the one argument that I cannot get past.

Niamhgold> <<did anyone ever read "Many Waters" by Madeleine L'Engle>>: Yo. Wasn't there a bunch about unicorns?
Oh, and is the "h" silent?

SOROW> <>: Well wishes on the accident. But is that possible without breakage? What is the failure strength of human bone (shear or tensile)?

Jewel> <<a woman can work in computer tech support>>: Ever read the comic strip User Friendly? I recommend it, go to http://www.userfriendly.org/ and look for Miranda. Oh, and do you know the last time one of us techies actually heard a woman form coherent sentences (pleas note, I am deprecating myself here as our most frequent exposure to those with double X chromosomes usually has another X attached)?

Na zdorovya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:22:26 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

SJ> Not Diet Coke of Evil. This is JEB. We just happen to go to the same University. I realize by now I should have actually added my name the first time, but I got out of the habit.

And I'm not posting anymore. Really. Just had to clear that up.
JEB
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:20:47 PM
IP: 129-2-231-62.student.umd.edu

Niahmgold > since I have a feeling we'll get a lot of pics of the ladies in the AvMists Swimsuit Edition, how about some of the guys? ; )

Jessie > yes, got the story and the pics (_great_ story, btw, though I did edit some of the language and toned down the part with the troll <g>). Been a busy week so I haven't caught up on e-mail yet, sorry.

Warpmind, Stephen, Constance, and David G. > got your stories set up for the next Sabledrake too! If all goes well we'll have the new issue posted tomorrow. Thank you for your contributions!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:11:43 PM
IP: 07-138.009.popsite.net

**SJ holds up a sticker that says "I Voted"**
Well, I did the old civic duty and voted today in Virginia's Republican primaries. And yes, I voted for McCain, cause way I see it, he's the best choice out of the three, and IMO the only one who probably has a good chance of beating Al Gore (this matters to me cause I *am* a Republican). And I can proudly say that this glorious Old Dominion state of mine chose to elect Bush. *sigh* No big surprise. When a senator and the governor come out in favor of him, it's natural for him to have the advantage. Still, I did my part. That's the beauty of voting--you cast your ballot, and then go home to be disappointed by the results.

Mr. Diet Coke of Evil: (I do so like that name...it rolls right off the tongue! ;) Yes, actually, I DO know that about McCain. I am well informed on my candidate of choice. You must remember, also, that not everyone in the room believes in abortion. I myself am unrepentantly pro-life. Perhaps that may disappoint some folks in the room, but that's my belief. So McCain being anti-abortion does not bother me.
As for taking away Roe v. Wade, I personally believe that's really a bunch of lip service on his part. If he did get the office, I do think he'd make an attempt at it, but I do not believe it would be a really strong attempt. He's not dumb--he knows he isn't going to get such legislature passed. I believe this is just a typical campaign promise, one which he knows he will never be able to deliver on.

Lately, though, I have to say this--I gotta vote for McCain (and I did), cause he actually has the balls to stand up and say what WE--that being US--have said for months now--folks like Robertson and Falwell and the Religious Right are a political liability and should not be so intertwined with politics. And he's getting reamed a new one for those comments, when I think he's totally right. Folks like Robertson have had a strangle hold on the Republican party...hell, on politics in general....and somebody needs to stop it. Anyway, enough with the political stuff....

Mecord: Perhaps my opinions on Mormons are offbase and ungrounded. I suppose I do not know as much about that faith as I should. However, still, some of their practices, that being the ones I have observed, I find a bit...I don't know, I disagree with them. I have no general animosity towards Mormons, however.
As of late, I've begun to think very poorly of all organized religion. It's a good idea, really; however, humanity has corrupted the idea all to hell and back. Church nowadays is all politics, not faith.

Jewel: Please forgive me, I'm not trying to step on your beliefs or trying to force my own on you....but I must say, I feel that is a terribly cynical view to have of a human fetus. Even I'm not that cynical, and that's saying something.

Kevin Smith News, and How Disney is Screwing Him Over: Well, we can thank the folks over at Disney for royally screwing up another good thing--this time it's Kevin Smith's animated version of "Clerks". Based upon the movie of the same name, the animated version was set to air on ABC this spring....we would probably be seeing it sometime in the very near future. Disney, which of course owns ABC, has pushed back the release date of the show to May 31st...during the summer. The problem? No surprise, at least 25 percent of the normal viewing audience drops off during the summer. Plus, Smith says that ABC didn't test screen the show to the 18 to 24 yr. old demographic--the demo the show is mainly aimed at. As he puts it, he's been "F***ed hard by the mouse".

Gambit: For some reason, I would actually kind of like to see him killed. He kind of annoys me as well; nowhere near the level of annoyance Cyclops gives, but still...I suppose I view him in much the same way I view Demona--as beings unworthy of redemption. Demona has tried to wipe out humankind. Gambit can number on his list of sins the Death of the Morlocks. True, he didn't personally kill the Morlocks himself, but he did lead the Marauders to their lair, and he knew Sinister wasn't exactly the nicest of guys. So it wouldn't really bother me if Gambit got killed. However, I am contempt with Marvel giving him his own book--it's kept him out of the X-books in recent months.

Ayn Rand: I would rather go blind than have to read a single one of her works.

****BUFFY & ANGEL REVIEW***
Buffy: Very good episode tonight! Finally, something very much appreciated--development on Faith! First, we have her doing the typical Faith-in-Buffy's-body bit--partying, trashing Tara (I must give her bonus points for discerning Willow and Tara's relationship before the others), and messing things up (but hopefully not too bad) with Riley. However, I have to say, at that point, the writers took Faith in a rather pleasantly surprising turn--perhaps toward redemption. After that little seance thingie Willow and Tara did, Faith actually began to act like someone who didn't have a paranoid psychosis! And was I hallucinating, or was she downright compassionate towards Riley before she entered the church? And for that matter--why did she want to go into the church to save all those people, unless some of that innate goodness inside her was coming out? There's hope for her, I feel it. In the end, we get something else as well--Buffy understanding Faith a little better. That, IMO, was an excellent addition by the writers. Faith is a very interesting villain--the evil she does is not so much because she likes being bad, but rather because she's so angry and lonely and tortured in her soul that it's the only way she knows how to act. And I think perhaps Buffy, through the whole soul transferrence thing, maybe realizes this.
Kudos to Sarah and to Elisa, for both did a great job doing impressions of each other. Buffy really *did* act like Faith, and vice versa! Nice acting work on both their parts.
I must say, however, that I was somewhat disappointed with the direction they are going with Adam. Apparently, they want to turn him into another generic human-hunting villain. It was rather interesting, him inspiring the vampires to actually take over a church, but still, I liked him being an enemy to humans *and* to other demonic entities. Overall, I thought this was a very entertaining episode.

Angel: Another entertaining episode of Angel, as well. The whole "deathmatch arena" thing has been done many times before, but this episode was fairly well written. Angel's refusal to go free and leave the other demons to their fate was a particularly good spot to the episode. The addition of the new female lawyer was very interesting; I'd like to see more of her in the next few episodes. So far, we haven't seen a real metaplot to the show, but I'm willing to bet that when one develops, it'll deal with the law firm. I liked the personalities given to the various demons; "humanizing" them was an effective way in which to inspire sympathy for them. And Wesley and Cordelia finally get some work to do, after being sort of very, very background players for a few episodes. Not the best episode of the season, but a rather nice one, IMO.
***END REVIEWS****

Women doing same jobs as men: I generally agree, women are just as qualified as men in virtually all areas of life. However, let me add a little fuel to the proverbial fire for discussion's sake--what about jobs that require a greater degree of physical strength and endurance? Case in point--firefighting. Remember a while back when there was that big stink in (I believe) California because they were actually *lowering* the physical fitness standards so that more women could become firefighters? There is an argument out now that women should in fact NOT be members of the military, because they are not as physically able as men (example--will a woman be able to carry a wounded fellow soldier-a male solider who weighs a good 200 lbs.-several hundred yards to a medic?). Of course, there ARE some women who could do that. There are some fine female firefighters who passed the same strict standards the men have. But can women really do everything a man can do, vocationally speaking? It's an interesting thought to add to the discussion.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:04:55 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Jewel<Job Rant> I understand completely and you're probably going to say no I don't because I'm a guy, but old girlfriend was like that and I got to hear her rant about what she did every day. She worked at her fater's transmission shop and I couldn't tell you how many times she told me that people would intentionally wait for a guy to finish working instead of having her work on their transmission. The funniest part of it all was that she did the best job of any of the shmucks because she and I worked on my Bronco and it hasn't crapped out since. And before you say that we broke up because she ranted your wrong. I loved to hear her voice and she made me laugh. I had to go to school and she stayed back in Conroe and went to community college.
So if there is one political debate I'm willing to swing for it is that women CAN do the same jobs as men. Who does it better depends upon the person and that goes with any situation.
X-men-Yeah Cyclops is dead. But I honestly do not care because the only time I ever clapped was in X-men Omega in the AoA when the killed EVERYBODY!
Election '00- Well I say this as calmly as anyone, I didn't vote for Bush to put him in the governor's house I'm not going to vote to put him in the White House. Nuff on that.
Well I got mid terms next week so back to work, back to work.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 09:57:05 PM
IP: spider-tj064.proxy.aol.com

Hey everyone. I'm sorry that I haven't posted in such a long time. It's just that I've been very preoccupied with school. Actually, SOROW is more busy than I am, but she still manages to get on the net. I don't know how she does it. I tried to post yesterday but because it was the first "free" day I've had in months. But, the next door neighbors were hooking up cable, and their cable guy had cut our line for some reason. It wasn't fixed till today. On another note, my day started out pretty well, but I found out something about my friend and it's the most distraughting news I've ever had. I was so hysterical thatI started laughing. I don't know why. I haven't been this sad in a while and I just don't know who I can talk to. But I hope everyone else's week turns out okay. Mine doesn't look like it's going to be very great. Bye everybody.....
JOE-BOXER - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 09:25:20 PM
IP: spider-wm076.proxy.aol.com

Warning! Potentially offensive political statements!

David G: Well, technically, a fetus is a parasite (it's dependant on the host--the mother--for survival, it leeches nutrients out of the mother's blood for itself, it grows out of control with no though to the effect on the host (ie, the growth of the baby forces the mother's organs out of place and causes the heart to be displaced)--all of which technically define a parasite...So. To look at it from a purely medical standpoint, does a parasite has more rights than the host? Can a host be forced to carry a parasite, if that's how the mother/host chooses to view it?

**End potenialy offensive remarks.***

Taleweaver: Prostitution is legal in some areas, and there are those calling for making drugs legal. Ditto, there are countries that have both as legal, viewing those as the indivdual's right. And there *is* a huge difference between the choice to continue an unwanted pregnancy versus Joe Schmuck who can only get laid if he pays some $2 crack ho...

Abortion: <g> Yes, I am ravingly pro-choice. I personally could never have one, but I like having the choice.

GB: <g> Only *know* just realizing how diametrically opposed our politics are?

Planet of the Apes: God willing, the remake won't happen. <shudder>

Transmet: If any of you haven't read it, traipse on down to a comic book store (or Borders; they tend to have one or two in the Sci-Fi/Graphic novels section) and pick this up. It's absolutely amazing. (And I want one of the those bowel disrupter guns...)

<RANT TYPE=WORK>
AaaaeeeeeeEEEEEErrrRRRRRRRrrgggGGGGGGGhhhHHHHHHHHH!!!!

<pant pant pant>

OK, someone, *anyone* tell me why boneheaded men can't get it through their frikkin' sculls that a woman can work in computer tech support?!!? I had a guy call today, and when I answer the phone, he said, and I quote, "Oh, I know you can't be in tech support!" He said this right after he heard my voice. I hadn't even had time to ask what the frick his problem was! And last week, I had some *doofus* say, "Is this tech support?" And when I answered, "Yes, sir, this is tech support," he said, "No, no, I need tech support." "This *is* tech support, sir." "No, *tech support*!" "Sir, *this* *is* *technical* *support*." "R-really? You...this is tech support?" I swear I was *this* close to saying, "No, sir, they just pay me to sit here and look pretty!" Every blasted day, I get at least three imbeciles whom I have to tell that yes, I really am tech support...usually after they've asked me to please transfer them to tech support. I heard a woman who was there before me once had a guy say, "Uh, I need to talk to a man." (I get one of *those*, I turn into a ball-busting feminazi on his butt.)
<grinds teeth> Worse, when many of these grade A premium *losers* get it through their dung-filled craniums that, yes, I am a woman and I do work in tech support, they start *flirting*, getting this syrupy-sweet tone to their voices and also talking down to me slightly, and will often call me something like "darling," or "sweetheart." One yuk-yuk, when I fixed his problem said, and I quote, "Oh, you're really cute when you're smart! You're sexy when you're smart!" <blink> What?!!? Where the <insert dirty words> did something like *that* come from? He called telephone tech support, not phone sex!
<g> The head of marketing has given me permission to respond sarcastically next time I get a, "No, I wanted tech support...I guess I dialled the wrong extention," saying they deserve it.

EeeeEEEEEEeerRRRRRRrrrrrrggggGGGGGGGGggghhhHHHHHHhhhhhhH!!!

<pant pant pant>

</RANT>
jewel
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 08:48:05 PM
IP: atlnb407-27.splitrock.net

Martial Arts> About black betls I hear what your saying. In Aikido class tomorrow we are going to be instructed by out teachers sensei who is 6th Dan. He's trained in the art for 50 years. As for the softening of the arts. It changes to fit with the times. When many of the older styles were developed this was basic training for soliders. Nowadays it's also taken up for sport. Nothing good or bad about it, just the way things are for now.

10th Kingdom> I don't know if some had answered it before me. To answer the questions. The Evil witch is the Prince (aka Dog boy) stepmother. Prince Wendell is the son of Snow White and Cinderella's children.

Is it just me or has NBC falling into the rut of hyping up these miniseries full of big name talent and fantastic special effects, but falling down on the story. Big names and good effects will get them in the door, but a solid story and good character development is what will keep the audience there.

Abortion> I'll play Devil's Advocate (Well, I was in Speech & Debate for four years) You know government does prohibit some control over your bodies and for moralistic reasons. It is still illegal for people to prositute their bodies for a profit and to commit suicide and use various substances labeled drugs. Is it different just because there is a womb involved?

Personally, I'm against abortion, but not the choice. Running my own life is a 24 hour job, I scarcely have time to tell someone else how to live there's. My problem with abortion is one with freemdoms in general. People feel they are entitled to them and yet don't feel obliged to shoulder the responsiblity that freedom requires.

Just thought I'd muddy the waters a bit.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 07:24:37 PM
IP: wwweic.engineering.csupomona.edu

<*Shadowrider appears with a puff of smoke*>
Greetings to everyone.Well,someone sent further votes for my little poll,so,as I promised,here's the updated situation:

14 Gargoyles
10 Battlesuits
5 Mutates
2 Cyborgs

Green Baron:>Lively sessions in Italian Parliament?Geez,you have no idea!;)Well,Italian politics is quite an intricate thing-as far as I know,in U.S.A. there are 2 or 3 parties,in Italy there's 20 and more of them,and I often doubt that even the ones who vote for some of that parties really know what that party wants to do.:\.About the Pope...well,I can assure you that he sends public messages and exhortations to Italian government and to the Parliament almost every day-he asks Italy to make abortion and divorce illegal,to banish homosexual persons from some jobs -teacher or medician,for example-,and so on,promising to that politicians who agree with him that he will tell the Catholic electors to vote them!I personally have nothing against the Pope and the Catholic church (as I said,I'm agnostic,but as far as I'm concerned,everyone is free to believe),but I don't like such an interference in my country's life.
Just a question:why don't you like Cromwell?I'm curious-I mean,he wasn't a perfect man,but he was better than many others,I think.

Niamhgold:>I'm glad to read that my ideal battlesuit likes you.You're right-it sounds a little comic-bookesque.I began to think about it as I read Heinlein's "Starship troopers" (Did you read it?),then I picked up ideas from nearly everywhere-Comic books,novels,animated series (Gargoyles included,of course :),videogames,movies,etc.).Sketching it?Well,I thinked about it;once I even tried to do it,but with bad results (I'm not well-versed in drawing).Maybe someday I'll try again...who knows?.I agree with you about humanity-I've been human for too long to be able to become a true gargoyle;about the protecting instinct...well,I don't know,I mean,it is something that even certain humans have (cops,for example)...not many humans,but some of us have it,and it makes me hope well for humanity.:-\

Jeremy:>Thank you for voting.:).You're right,the best characters are the ones who have weaknesses-but I wouldn't like to turn in stone in the middle of a fight because sun has risen.

Politics:>I'll try to stay out of any political debate-I already have my troubles with Italian politics (Haider was a bad guy,but our Berlusconi is very worse-and he could become Chief of Government in a two years!:() and I don't want to get involved in other countries' one.Moreover,I dont know in detail American political scenario,so I couldn't express founded opinions.

Cyclops:>So he did win a poll about "Who should die"...without taking part?<grins,tries to keep himself from laughing,doesn't manage to do it,explodes in a loud,half-an-hour lasting horse-laugh :D>
Well,I can't say I'm surprised.I suspect a lot of X-men's writers didn't like him as well...

Ragga,se vedemu!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 07:04:38 PM
IP: h255-20-107.mi2.albacom.net

Hi guys. I'm going to post early before I go to work because I don't feel well. I had a *horrible* day and I just want to sit down and cry. Actually I am. But guess how I got to end school... with almost having a concussion. Yeah, in drill team we were trying out this new lift where I run to two girls and they catch me while I'm in the air and then they set me back down. Well, they threw me back instead and I flew backwards and landing dead end on my head on the wood floor. I dented my skull too. So please pray that I don't fall asleep tonight and never wake back up. If I don't, I love you all. See ya.
SOROW
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 07:04:02 PM
IP: dll2a010-0136.splitrock.net

Hiyas!

Shadowrider: Read your first post about the battlesuits :) Wow! The one you described sounds amazingly intricate and comic book-esque. You should sketch that idea! Truly, though, I agree with you on the humanity topic. I'd love to be a gargoyle if given the chance, but it'd have to be temporary. I'm just human. I've been raised too long of a time, and I'd never feel completely gargoyle even if I was one. I mean, would the instinct to protect become a part of you, as well? Or would it just be a transference of human emotions?

Christine: Read Avalon Mists, and now you've got me itchin' to draw something. Interesting artist's challenge...lucky for you, I loooove the tropics! Anyone have any preferences on who they'd like to see in swimsuit? (Please be kind!)

Mecord: Cherubims and Seraphims> In the bible (or the version I own), winged creatures are said to be carved upon the covenant box in a protective gesture (and later came to life as the cherubims). Wonder if this was humanity's first practice of carving gargoyles for protection? I may not be one to talk religion, anyways--my mom was a Catholic, my dad's a Protestant, they got married with the assumption that they would raise me Catholic, but then we moved to a place where the only church was Baptist. Pretty cool, I got to be a little of each!

And, speaking of seraphims, did anyone ever read "Many Waters" by Madeleine L'Engle? Good book.

Caliope: <Hablas Espanol?!> Un poco. I took the language for five years, not nearly enough to qualify me as well-versed in that area, although I _did_ love every minute of it! To make it even more disappointing, I'm from the Northeast. Que lastima, si? Were you hoping I was from someplace more exotic?

And...I think I'll stay out of the politics ring. To me, this year's choice is simply figuring out who's the lesser of two evils. *Sigh*

(Exits to make FF8 fanart for a friend's birthday)

Adios!

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 05:31:20 PM
IP: ncia104n.ncia.net

Martial arts: I used to study Kenpo (when I was in remmision). When it comes to the martial arts, I admire the dicipline and the form above the rest. Personnaly, I would prefer to be killed rather than hurt someone else. My sensei was a great guy, I miss him. (and the karate of course) I had to stop training because the hardwear doesn't move very well;)

Abortion: Even before there were clinics, before there were doctors, women were performing abortions on themselves. No matter how much the government want to make abortions illigal, where there is fear, there is a way.

Thank all of you for the warm welcome. If I have any sanity left, you can have it, good luck finding any though! I'll try to drop in later, it's time now for my 3000 mile check-up.
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 04:16:28 PM
IP: ssdmb.dawsoncollege.qc.ca

RP WARNING!!!
**Avatar of Gannon
Rob Reiner has fallen on his knees from the shootings, and Reverend Attila gives Meathead a bllodthristy look.
"Say hi to Edith, Meathead."
"Uh...."
In a gruesome act of bloodshed, Attila tears out Rob Reiner's throat with his teeth and watches as he bleeds to death, while blood runs down his cute little cat-chin.

Ann Coulter takes out her BFG and blasts about fifty rounds of ammo into Rosie O'Donnell, propelling her into a wall and freeing Charleton Heston.

Brigitte and Billy Baldwin are now locked in battle.
"It's payback time, mic."
"I dona think so, you Saxon pig. It's time I punished the entire family for what they said about my Uncle Henry,a nd you also suck in that M&M commercial."
As she responds in an Irish accent as sweet as Roam Downey's and as sexy as Sheena Easton's, she aims her rosary at Billy Baldwin and inicnerates his head, but he still moves about since he had no brain in the first place.**
PAUSE semi-violent RP!!!

Starsinger> That link worked. I feel so silly :E

Mecord> Horns and tail? I never heard taht one, before. All I heard are the smart-ass polygamy jokes, which are just like jokes about Catholics having ten kids or the drunken Catholic immitation, or the Baptists and chicken dinner references, as well as jokes about Pentecostals waving their arms in the air, and the Jehova's Witness knocking on your day in the morning. I think any commnets like that are ignorant and critical. In fact, Bob Jones has made nasty comments about Mormons and Catholics. Th eonly religion I have any real dislike for are Congreagtionalists, because they are the remains of the accursed Puritans, though they are intolerant left-wing extremists these days, like one Minsiter who taught a class at CBU and used Scripture quotes to condemn the Pope.

I'm glad you like cats :)

Welcome Niamhgold

Shadowrider> I never heard about the Pope trying to be that pushy in Italian politics, though I hear Italy has some lively Parliament meetings. Granted, I have nothing but love and honor for this Pope, so I'm a tad biased :)

Jewel> The Socialist candidate? We really do have different beleifs. He was at the bottom of my list, though i was leats compatible with Ralph Nader and I want to be as distant from him as possible :)

JEB> I never knew you had that opinion, since you usually don't talk about your stance. I don't agree with McCain on everything, for one I don't like his Campaign Finance agreement and I support same sex marriages, which even Al Gore won't take a stance on. I'm not of teh extremist variety, but I was a bit surprised that you were compatible with that crew. I do admit some of the thrid aprty guys are inetresting, just because you never hear about them.

David G> I pretty much share your views, though I do beleive personally that life begins at conception. I would rather support alternatives than use governmnet regulation, judging by my distaste for big Government. Of course, this is a minor issue for most voters an dthe only aspects that seem to be issues are the partial-birth abortions and federal funding, which I regard as a violation of the First Ammenedment.

International News> Haider has resigned. $It seems my International RPs have some strange effect on RL. First we bust out Pinochet and he is retruend to santiago for medical reasons IRL. We zap Haider and he resigns IRL. Hmmmm...Next Attila and the scouts assassinate Fidel Castro and all his commie henchmen:)$

Archwolf> I agree with you about Northern Ireland. I beleive it should be a part of Ireland and not the UK. I also want Scotland, Wales, and everything but Sussex to gain independence from England. As I see it, the Orange faction aren't so much just the Protestants (as many want to live with the Catholics in peace), but thos ewho want to stay in England's talons and collect British welfare. I also find the Orange Order to be a pack of idiots for getting drunk and marching through Catholic neighborhoods. Perosnally, I consider that group to be a combination of neo-Nazis and the KKK, except with more English style uniforms. I hope David Trimble does the right thing and resigns form that hate society, so the peace process can be furthered.

SJ> Actually, what a Catholci can do is marry a Protestant, then the Protestant spouse can use birth control. I also recall there are some Evangelicals who don't use birth control and my ex-girlfriend told me about some in Alabama who had as many as thirteen kids. You'll never hear of a Catholic family with that many kids in this country.

Coyote> I recall Bush Sr. was a moderate Republican.

Gside> Yep, wherefore means why :)

George W Bush> Well, he's definitely better than Grandma Ann Richards :)

Robby> Atlas Shrugged> What is it like? I know its big for Libertarians to read.

Caliope> Attila understands now. He's a smart kitty :)

Jewel> <<Gambit (and if they have, don't tell me) I'll be sobbing incorently for a while, as will half of the female population (<g> Think about it: He was the only reason a bunch of college girls would get up early on a Saturday morning--to watch "X-Men" when it used to come on Fox. >>
Well, monami, he is from Lousiana :)

Kit, Doug, Jaden, SJ> $Feel free to pick the goons to replace Baldwin, Rosie, and Metahead$

RESUME RP!!!
**Two new figures appear near the machine, but the shadows hide their face. Will there be no end to this fight?**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 04:11:23 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Skippy> Arrrrrrrgh! (Bafs self with giant bag of stale popcorn) I can't believe I screwed up like that! I'll have to turn in my fishnets.... (Sob)

jewel> Sadly I haven't read Transmetropolitan. It, along with Hitman and Hellblazer, are books I keep meaning to get into, but I'm always either broke or can't find the TPBs. <<And there's nothing more surreal than being a group of college girls drooling over a cartoon...)>> I dunno, around here, I think that's pretty low on the surreality scale.

SJ> I wouldn't worry about Planet of the Apes. A year ago, the rumor had Ahh-nold starring in and Oliver Stone directing the remake.

Robby>No, but if you can pick up Atlas Shrugged, you and bludgeon someone to death with it. I'd always meant to show Xanatos or Demona reading a copy, until I found out part of objectivism was not lying.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 03:46:52 PM
IP: ppp-149.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

Hi all! :)

I've got to catch up, but I must agree with Jewel, Gambit _is_to drool for. *wiggles eyebrows at chibi Gambit* *LOL* BTW, whatever happened to Storm? I kinda liked her, she was always so mysterious and yet supportive.

Well, see you later all. :)
Anne
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 03:08:54 PM
IP: 204-246-241-174.nas2.apv.gblx.net

I definantly don't want to start a pro-life/pro-choice debate here. I don't really know where I stand on this issue, and both sides have both good points and bad points. One thing always bothers me about the pro-choice argument, though.

What about the baby's right to choose? Abortion takes all the choices the yet-to-be-born human will ever have away.

On the other hand, I had a teacher point out that if America illegalized abortion, only rich Americans would be able to have legal abortions (By flying somewhere that it's legal, for instance).

It's complicated, which is rather sad.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 02:21:32 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Green Baron> Yep, it's me.

*POLITICAL OPINION WARNING*

And I'd like to note I have no problem with the pro-life stance (aside from the extremists who think it's okay to blow up clinics and kill doctors- how are their lives worth less than a baby's?). If you don't want to abort, that's fine. But I do have a problem with having the ability to even HAVE an abortion taken away. A woman's body should not be under the control of the government. She should be able to choose what she wants for herself, and not have that taken away by those who have differing morality. Abortion should never be more than a moral issue- the government should keep out of it.

*END POLITICAL OPINION*

And the top 3 picks for me according to the site were Bradley, McReynolds, and Gore (in that order).

No, I'm not posting here regularly anymore, but the fact that so many people seemed to be leaning towards McCain alarmed me.
JEB
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 01:32:25 PM
IP: 129-2-231-62.student.umd.edu

Pick yer prez: It gave me David McReynolds--a socialist...the Bill Bradley/Al Gore. <g> Guess I am a wee bit left-wing...

McCain: His stance on abortion is the one thing that made me know he was never going to get my vote. I'd actually liked him until I found that out (that, and his sudden butt-covering to try and soften his hardline stance on abortion)

Cyclops: He's *dead*? <angels start singing 'Allelujias' in the background> All they need to do now is kill off Jean Grey (she irritated me as much as her boyscout boy Cyke), and I might consider cracking open X-Men again (last time I read one was "Age of Apocalypse") hee hee...love how he won the vote for "who to kill off" as a write-in...hee hee hee....although if they kill off Gambit (and if they have, don't tell me) I'll be sobbing incorently for a while, as will half of the female population (<g> Think about it: He was the only reason a bunch of college girls would get up early on a Saturday morning--to watch "X-Men" when it used to come on Fox. And there's nothing more surreal than being a group of college girls drooling over a cartoon...)

jewel
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 01:09:29 PM
IP: 208.60.106.131

I'm in here briefly, since I have a pricing class in ten minutes.

Anonymous> Is that you, JEB?

Well, I odubt you shoudl worry about Roe v Wade too much. I'm not too fond of it, myself, but I seriously doubt any changes will be made. Reagan said the same thing in 1980, if that gives you any indication. Besides, McCain has had the courage to attack Bob Jones and Falwell.

Voter smart> Well, I ma shown to agree with Harry Browne (the Libertarian candidate) 71%, with Bush, Keyes, and McCain following. However, in the Louisiana primary, I'm voting for McCain, mainly because he is supported by Peter King and I have great respect for a man who spoent five eyars in the Hanoi Hilton and gave up an opportunity to leave so another soldier could. He's not St. Maximilain Kolbe by any stretch, but that was still courageous.

Janine> Well, Al Gore will use much nastier stuff. He invented the Willie Horton attack ad, which won Bush the White House in 88. Well, if Bush wins the National Primary, I'll vote fo rhim if he picks Liddy Dole as running mate or a Catholic. Otherwise, I'm going for Harry Browne. I'd rather be injected with a syringe containing deadly STDs than vote for Gore in any case :)

SJ> I'd rank Buchanan above Bob Jones, but unless because Pat is Catholic and pro-Latin Mass :) I woudl still never vote for him. He compared himself to Huey Long in 96 and I HATE Huey P Long with almost as much passion as I hate Cromwell.

BTW, I bet your dad would hate me :)

I'm off to Calls. See ya!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:59:11 AM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Mecord- good points- also there are the heavenly creatures of Revelations- which look very gargoyle like

NOt much time to post this morning..interview at 100
jenna
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 09:58:01 AM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-71.hstntx.swbell.net

Oh one more thing could somebody tell me in which order do i read the new gargoyle storys.I have been reading them right down the list.An e-mail would be much apreaciated.
Jeremy - [Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 08:56:48 AM
IP: xcom-79-246.mdc.net

Political debate> I'm riding the fence so far. However, what I'm starting to see is a pattern of lying and denying from McBane. Twice now he has been caught red-handed with the negative smears and each time he denied doing it... and then had some lame excuses when evidence was presented to him.
As far as Bush riding the coat tails of his dad, he's been an excellent governor and that had nothing to do with his dad. I don't think it's fair to assume that when he does something, he is automatically imitating his dad or riding his coat tails. George Jr. has proven himself to be a good governor. Like I said though, I'm still riding the fence.
I'm like everyone else though - politics make me dizzy ;)
Jannie
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 08:40:35 AM
IP: 216-90-185-182.hou.port.mytelco.com

Was up room just woke up{stretches as some stone skin falls off}.First off i would like to thank everyone for a warm welcome.KYRYN<<:Sorry about the cap locks won't happen again.MECORD<<:Mad props on the new baby i bet u will b a great uncle.SHADOWRIDER<<:I am starting to get it more and more.I did vote in the poll i would be a gargoyle can't realy come up wit a reason.Maybe because i would like the challenge of it.U know the whole fighting and defending thing.As for being valnerable during the day hey the best charicters are those who have weaknesses like us.Helps us to identify with them and there problems.CYCLOPS IS DEAD:Damn i have missed alot....but it could not have happened to a more deserving guy.Cyclops to put it BLUNTLY su..diddly..ucked.He was so blan and was such a beoch always crying about something.Yo does any one know what happened to Wolverine.He was my favorite charicter i stopped reading after the onslaught saga.Is he still in his animal state?Did he ever get his ademantium back?Now that Cyclops is dead is he trying to get wit her?If some one could answer these questions it would be apreaciated.Well i have to bounce sorry about the spelling it ain't my strong point.
Jeremy - [Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 08:37:47 AM
IP: xcom-79-246.mdc.net

Hey! How goes it?! :P Lets get started....

Rev. Attila> Well, nothin�against her personaly, my atitud twards her is pretty indiferent, like I dont really line her atitud, but I tolerate her because she�s letting ppl know that Puertorricans exsist, same thing with Ricky martin...

Niamhgold> Hey! And welcome to the madness! :P Hablas Espanol?! :)Where are you from?

Gside>....Ok, I didnt get half the things you said to me, but, OK! Whatever floats your bout! :P

Gotta go, Alex is still having a cow about chat rooms in her web page! Bye! *HUGZ for all*

Caliope
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 08:20:31 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

BTW, here's a good website to see who your best pick for President would be. *click link*
Anonymous
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 08:19:48 AM
IP: 129-2-231-62.student.umd.edu

Just a thing I'd like to say:

Those of you voting for McCain- are you all aware he's anti-abortion, and one of his campaign promises is to overturn Roe vs. Wade and have the abortion issue re-debated?

I certainly don't plan on voting for any man who would threaten the right of US citizens to own their own bodies.

Just wanted you all to know who you're voting for. Me, I'm voting Democrat this year solely because I can't like any of the Republicans this time around.
Anonymous
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 08:11:44 AM
IP: 129-2-231-62.student.umd.edu

Shadowrider & Mecord: and in Greece, the legends are of Kalzentroi {may be misspelledd}, beings that i think are a short step away from being either Kentaurs {claw-footed centaurs} or gargoyles.

....a missing link?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 07:17:34 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Greetings to everyone.

Kitainia:>You're welcome!:)

Archwolf:>You're right:Jeet kune do is Bruce Lee's creation.About fencing...well,as far as I know,you're right again:I was told that not only fencing,but also boxing and even gipsy's way of fighting with knives and scissors was involved in JKD's creation.:)
I agree with you about religious rivalry-in Italy most of people is Catholic and,if you're of any other religion (or,worse,agnostic like me) you're observed with suspicion or even hostility by some people.I just can't understand this-as well as I can't understand why the Pope believes he has the right to interfere with Italy's politics,just like my country is a kind of feud of his.:|

Sevarius Jr.:>Slim gone (yeah!),Wolvie & Jean together?Hmm...,well,Wolvie has always had feelings for the psionic redhead (I can't disagree with him,she'quite pretty ;)),but I think it would be a quite predictable development.I mean,everyone knows that,if not for Cyclops (yawn!I get bored just by writing his name!),Wolvie and Jean would have fallen in love with each other,so why not something new?I don't know...Jean becomes a nun and Wolvie falls in love with Elektra Nachtios?(What a pair!):)
About martial arts...well,if you're not interested,no problem...I mean,everyone decides by himself what to do or think.A lot of friends of mine are not interested also,but they are my friends anyway.Even I was not really interested in martial arts before beginning practicing them.Anyway,it is not just a "Now I break that board with a fist!" stuff...as far as I'm concerned,is a way of living your life.Oh,well...just stop it!(if I don't stop,I could write about it for hours,and I'm sure you don't want to read a martial arts treatise):).

Silverstar:>I've seen "The ninth Gate" in Italian dubbing.Well I expected a little more from Polanski.The first half of the movie is quite intriguing,but then begins to become a little boring and the final is confused.Hey,it doesn't mean it is a BAD film,but for sure it is not a masterwork.

Gside:>A plug in the back of your neck?:P.Oh,well,if you like it...

Robby:>You mastered two dozens of fighting video games?Whoa,I was never able to master any of them without cheating!I respect you for your amazing skill!:)(Well,fighting games are not my preferred ones-I prefer strategy,flight simulators and RPG)
Brook & Sata...Yes,I know they eventually will be together again...but,as I already wrote,Timedancer is so well-written that I always forget it as I read (after finishing "Crossroads",I felt so upset that I had to repeat to myself "Don't worry,they'll meet again,you KNOW it" again and again (I know,I'm quite crazy-moreover,I've always been considered a cold-headed one).So you know a little more about what will happen,huh?Are you maybe a member of TGS staff?Anyway,please don't tell me anything about what is going to happen-I want to be surprised.I only hope I'll have not to wait too long to know.:)
BNW.You don't like it,huh?I,instead,love it,it is one of my preferred books (not my preferred one,anyway)...interesting...well,it is just a matter of taste,I think.:)

Mecord:>Just a little curiosity:in central Italy there are a lot of legends and folklore about certain winged creatures that used to live in caves on mountain's sides.Those creatures used to sleep by day and come out by night.In many of the legends they're treated as evil creatures (the word used is "omoselvadegu" and can be translated with "orc" or something similar) that used to kidnap children who were not at home at night and eat them ("Go sleep,or the omoselvadegu will fly here and eat you"),but sometimes (very rarely) they're good creatures who help people to go out of troubles.Interesting,isn't it?

Scott:>I agree,Seagle and Kelly did a very good job.About Marvel politics...I admit I often don't understand it.

Toku Kaioto:>You're right about the meaning of the black belt-it is not the end of a path,it is a new beginning.As i passed the final examination for my black belt,the 7th dan Sabuni who examined me (He's not my Sabuni-in Taekwon-do you are never examined by your teacher) told me:"Now you'll begin to learn what the Taekwon-do really is.".About the rest of your post...well,by now I'm more interested in the phylosophical and artistic side of the martial art.I mean,I enjoy fighting,but it cannot be the most important thing.In Taekwon-do we try to make the fighting training as realistic as we can,but surely I don't want to break a leg to my opponent-he's my friend!So,I think you're right:martial arts have gone more "soft" than used to be.I learned to several injure or even kill someone with a single strike,but I tried only on dummies,I never tried on a person,even for joke,and,of course,I can't use them in a tournament.As my Sabuni said,"You don't know if you can actually defend yourself until you HAVE to defend yourself".I don't know much of Bando style-I heard about it,but I can't express an opinion.Anyway,I found your post very interesting.If you like to continue discussion,feel free to post new comments as you like.:)
Kyong-ye Taekwon!

Well,I finished.
Ragga,se vedemu!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 07:09:43 AM
IP: h213-18-133.mi2.albacom.net

<staggers in> When I am king, RL will be first against the wall.

Warpmind> Check yer e-mail...

Until tommorrow, childer...<sigh>
Wilek
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 03:25:43 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

**RP HERE**
Kaioto emerges from the bathroom drying off his hands and resting a hand on an unsteady stomach.
"What the heck is that noise?" he strains his ears and furrows his brow against the headache he feels coming on.
"Oh � the fun never stops," he comments dryly, unsheathing his katana from his trench coat. "Let's go hurt _more_ people," he sighs, stalking off towards the sounds off battle.
**End RP**

Fighting Styles:

You know, I'll never get over how funny it is that Westerners view Black Belt ranks as some sort of mastery. I mean, all Black Belt has ever meant and still ever means is that the student has enough of a fundamental grasp of the greater part of the useful physical forms of a given art. Generally Black Belt means the student is now ready enough he or she won't kill him/herself and may actually be worth the effort to instruct towards true mastery of the discipline. It is only after the student has proven he or she is studied and competent enough that they are permitted to work towards achieving Dan ranks towards true mastery. Finding a certified 5th Dan in most arts is rather hard in America, 10th Dans seem to be next to a myth.

The other thing is that in the West and East alike, our generations are getting more and more enamored with the cinematic and artistic forms of Martial Arts rather than the Martial aspect. The artistic, "civilized", tournament-fighting styles we are taught in modern days are most often distinctively "soft" compared to their origins. Certainly, some parts of martial arts are meant to be soft, but generally not the hand to hand combat aspects. Tai Chi and other originally "soft" styles by origin obviously don't apply to this, but they generally don't teach you how to smash someone's body with a strike either.

The best example of extreme softening in styles are scene in Kendo from Kenjustu. Kendo is a sport. Kenjutsu competition is nearly illegal. Kenjutsu, however, is a lot more practical if you are fighting with swords. Aikijutsu likewise is a lot more effective than Aikido on the street, but most of the good fighting moves would get you disqualified from a tournament or bounced out of your dojo.

I will note that Bando animal styles of Brazil still seem very, very true to their combative ability. They are Very intimidating and trying to learn, but people who are even moderately competent in a style could turn a Tae Kwon Do or Kempo black belt into a very bloody pretzel. Of course, you aren't supposed to learn or use a heavy curriculum of bone-breaking, pain-incapacitating techniques in a "civilized" martial arts dojo. *shrugs*

Robby: There is a reason Rand's writing is hard to digest. Rand's entire philosophy and style of living is hooked into her obsession with justifying her own self-indulgence and self-interest. Her writing tends to wander into analytical justification of her own selfishness. There is only so much self-absorption one can take, even if it isn't blatant.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 02:51:00 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Aaron-Cassidy's version- That's a rather interesting twist.

Katara-Well I'm about four or five hours away from L.A. I'm a little sad that the rain is gone for now.

Mecord- Congrats on the new kid.

Sorow- I wasn't talking about fearing death, rather the feeling of being smashed and being unable to stop it. I stopped really fearing death some time ago when I realized that we will all die no matter how much we fear death.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 02:38:34 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

*runs in and starts jumping up and down, holding in her hot little claws 3.. count ''em _3_ Gargoyle comic books!!!! WOOOHOOOO!! I got 2 copies of vol1, iss4, may 1995, and 1 copy of vol 1ss 9, Oct 1995. What great stuf, especially the issue with Demona on the cover. Now I know where Jennifer Lopez got the idea for her outfit! =-} *

Mercord> Congrats on the new niece!! What's with the sudden outbreak of babies in here anyways? *nervously looks down at her glass of water and decides she's not that thirsty after all* lol

Well, that's about all for tonight, so I guess I'll bid everyone a good night. *As she strolls over to a nearby sofa, she gives War Frost a scritch behind his battle-scarred ear. She lays down on the couch and pulls her favorite furry up and snuggles down for a nap*
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 02:33:55 AM
IP: abda7da8.ipt.aol.com

Mecord: 2 and 6? hmm...the winged humanoids i found in the bible {forgot the exact placement} had 4 arms, each of which had a wing, and 4 faces. {also carried swords}.

{not the faces holding a sword....unless they were part tapir}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 02:12:14 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

X-men > A couple years ago Seagle and Joe Kelly did a fantastic run on X-men, making the stories more character-driven. Among all the developments, (and there were several interesting ones), was Cyclops (and the other members of the original team) moving out from under the professor's shadow. Then, Marvel (in their typical fashion) went and upset these writers and Alan Davis took over, brought back Cyclops, made his own changes, etc. The book was really going in an excellent direction before the change.

As for Cyclops being dead... Come on, people! Characters *never* stay dead in comic books! I've already seen descriptions of future issues concerning the "mystery" of Cyclop's death.

BTW, while we're on the subject of comics, I'd like to take this time to point out that Superman is finally worth reading again. The title by Jeff Loeb <sp?> alone is worth the cost. There was even an issue recently where there were NO FIGHT SCENES. Can you believe it? We're actually getting an entire story driven purely by character! Loeb is on "Superman," and Joe Kelly is on "Action." Good stuff.

Scott, The Diet Coke of Evil - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 02:05:42 AM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

P.S. Jewel>> If the unamed person does use your characters, and they are characters of your invention, nail the sucker for copywrite infringement. Copywrite laws include anything that is in tangible form. If you write a story with a new character, that character belongs to you. If you deny his permission and he still uses it, nail him.
Mecord
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 01:50:44 AM
IP: usr46.mtwest.net

**Mecord rises from a pool of water and walks to a bench with a set of scriptures.**

SJ>> Truly I have no intention of turning this into a religious debate. And though your view of Mormons seems somewhat askew to me (They do have a strict law of chastity, just not everybody follows it), I don�t feel this the place to argue it unless asked to. None of my �theories� are true (though I tried to convince myself they were), they�re just things I think are interesting and fun to think about.

Mormon rumors: The Horns and tail rumors started in the mid 1800�s after they were driven from Missouri. It�s died down over the past hundred-fifty plus years, but some people are still gullible I guess.

Gargoyles in the Bible: In a word, Cherubim. I�m probably not the only one to draw this comparison. Let�s take what the Bible mentions (which isn�t much really) about cherubim. 1 Kings 8:7 states they have two wings, unlike Seraphim which have six. From both Ezekiel and Genesis we know they have hands since they hold swords and wheels, thus it suggests a humanoid appearance. In Samuel 22:11, David is seen riding a cherub on the �wings of wind�, possibly a reference to gliding. On the curtains of the Tabernacle Cherubim are woven in Blue, Purple, and Scarlet, all known coloration�s in gargoyles. In my eyes, the important part of this theory is the function Cherubim are seen fulfilling. Genesis 3:24 Cherubim (the plural form of cherub, possibly a clan) were set in Eden with flaming sword to protect the tree of life. Cherubim are also portrayed as guarding the Holy of Holies and the mercy seat on the Ark of the Covenant. So it appears that we have large winged humanoids who�s main purpose in life is to protect. Hmm, sound familiar?

Well, I think that�s all. Gotta sleep, bye!

Mecord
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 01:42:40 AM
IP: usr46.mtwest.net

**RP, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE!**

Black Tiger and Jim's clone Mij, after... Um... Months of training, are staring directly at a gold plater cyber smurf, the cyber smurf being the little pissant that kicked everybody's butts a few months back. Black Tiger growls at the Smurf.
"If you're here to fight, I'm ready for you." The smurf laughs.
"I think you have far, far worse things to worry about. Like the Ten."
"The hollywood ten?"
"Nope, the Ten that was introduced in my plot thread a ways back."
"Okaaay... And why shouldn't we be worried about you?"
"Because, I am a mere Phalanx clone of the cyber smurf, with only a fraction of the original's power. With the way you two have been training, you would defeat me easily. No, you have MUCH bigger problems to worry about..."

**PAUSE RP**

TOP 700!

Man, I really don't get in here much as I'd like anymore... Ah well, Spring Break is coming up...

We've got racoons! Right now, two racoons are eating from the dog dish in my back yard. SPiffy!

Brave New World- Horrible book. Flat characters, bad writing, unimaginative scenario, and just plain boring. Could society ever get to that point? Probably not anytime soon given our current attitudes on drugs and sex... But its a bad book, and I'd rather not think about it anymore...

Speaking of bad books, I have 200 more pages to go on Atlas Shrugged... Does this thing ever pick up?

X-Men's Cyclops- His death has been a long time coming... In a Wizard poll a couple years back, they polled their readers to see who should die... Bishop, Cannonball, Gambit ranked pretty highly, each getting 16 or 17 percent of the votes... But Cyclops got 19 percent of the votes! And he wasn't even on the ballot! That's right, Cyclops was voted the one more fans wanted to see die, and he was a freakin' WRITE IN vote! Hee...

Shadowrider- "The story between Brooklyn and Sata MUST continue in the third season"... Well, just from the main series you know they eventually get back together. WHat you don't know is what happens to them both in the meantime. I do. Hee hee...

Fandom Reunion- Its a pity the round robin participation night took place after submissions were due. We ended up with something that would have for SURE won the "Worst Fanfic" award... Although by the end we DID have Margot Yale getting revenge on everyone, Elisa pregnant, invading teletubbies, Brooklyn with a tatoo that said "Moth", and Xanatos dying his hair blond and shaving off his goatee so he could play John Smith in the broadway production of Pocahontas...

Fighting styles- Um... I've mastered nearly two dozen fighting video games? Does that count?

Presidential voting- Seeing as how I'll be old enough to vote next election, I figure I need to pay attention this time around... And I'm going for McCain myself... WHile it would be neat to get a father and son presidency thing going with only one president between them, in honesty, what qualifications does Bush have? He's running on his daddy's name for the most part...

Sharp-tounge'ed- Personally, I think Brooklyn is the best looking male gargoyle in the series. But then, I also happen to think Maggie Reed is is the best looking female garg (of sorts) and that Vinnie Gregarino is one of the best characters in the show, right next to Macbeth...

**RESUME RP**

The golden cyber smurf explains. "When the Phalanx made me, they had hoped to tap into the original cyber smurf's power. The failed miserably, and were destroyed only a few hours later. I was picked up by the Ten for study and learned many things. The cyber smurf was the 7th strongest of them, and their leader is smart enough to not send the 8th, 9th, or 10th strongest after opponents who are stronger. The leader's also smart enough to not send progressivley stronger warriors and thus give his opponents time to train. So they won't send their 6th or 5th strongest warriors after you either."
"Well, that sounds like good news to me." Mij notes. "If we beat the 4th when their sent, then we won't have to beat the second or third, cause we'll skip straight to the first strongest."
The cyber smurf sighs and shakes his head. "You misunderstand. The leader is not dumb enough to send one fighter at a time. They are all coming at once. And soon."
Black tiger's eyes widen and it shows, even through his helmet. "When? When are they coming?"
"The same day the master of HFIL, Mephisto, attacks. Armageddon, Appocolypse, or Ragnarock. Whatever you want to call it, it means the end, and you are far too pathetic to stand a chance of stopping it."
Robby
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 01:31:37 AM
IP: spider-wa031.proxy.aol.com

Whew, it's been a while since I last posted. Been so busy with school and work for the last couple weeks...anyhoo, quick post.

Cyclops is dead? Yesss! Almost makes me want to start reading X-Men again. Almost....na-a-a-aw.

Chrsitine > Uhm, did you get those illos for Sabledrake that I sent last week? Just checking, since I haven't heard back from you at all. I'm paranoid. :)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 01:21:31 AM
IP: ctrts2-2.mrs.umn.edu

** Suddenly appearing from �between�, trumpeting Lessas� presence, the golden dragon lands.**
Man I just graduated and I�ve got to find a job, now that really bites. Otherwise not to bad of a day. Thanks for the warm fuzzy welcome from everyone.

Sanity, one must have it before one can lose it or give it away, whichever one it was I haven�t the faintest. If there is a shred of sanity in my path, I�d gladly give it to you (wouldn�t want to join the humans or anything!).

Mr. Thrugg>> About your BNW comparison, I would like to argue a point or two. One, in BNW there is not any distinction between anyone, they don�t want any sort of individuality. But in the Gargoyle Clan (if I remember right) it is in �the awakening� episode that Thom asks Brooklyn and Lexington what their names are. Brooklyn replies that they don�t have any. Thom comes back with how do you tell each other apart. Brooklyn replies that they look different. Lexington adds in that they call each other friends. Thus saying, that they use their individual characteristics to tell each other apart.
Two, the Gargoyle society isn�t abnormal, its structure is still used today in many areas of the world (Even in the US). The Clans is like a tribe, they have a strong leader that has proven his worth and has earned the trust of others willing to follow under his/her direction. When referring to the eggs in the rookery, that there is no designated parents, but the whole clan takes over to rise the hatchlings. Everyone is expected to participate in rising the child.
I agree that the Gargoyle society is far from the BNW society. The BNW society basic decides what each members fate will be. The �authorities� take away all options or chances for anyone to be different, each must conform to the order of the resorts.

See ya later alligators (or whatever you are)!

Lessa
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 01:14:03 AM
IP: usr46.mtwest.net

[...<---(bleep) HE'S HOT!!!!] *chokes on Pepsi* ^cough^ ^cough^ ^hack^ ^sputter^ HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA! YOU MUST BE JOKING!!! HAHAHAHAAH!!!! *serious and fearful* You're pulling my leg, right, RIGHT??? *examines picture carefully* Uhhhhh... *shakes head* *examines picture again* *squints* *shakes head* Don't see it... From what I've seen so far Brooklyn seem to be the Gargoyle stud. Please, tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong, please! He definately ain't at the top of my 'Most Attractive Male Gargoyle' list. I'm starting to get a little scare... I'm not so odd after all. I'd better get my friends and show them this...they'll change there mind about my crush on a certain other Gargoyle.

Sharp-tongue'ed
Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:27:26 AM
IP: ip32.tacoma17.wa.pub-ip.psi.net

Kitainia> <>: Yet another thing you will never hear. (ref.: George Carlin)
<>: I would just like to say that practically every time she said "Who," my entire suite said "Yo, right here."

Warpmind> <<Got any nice little Trojans lying around>>: Uhm, that sounded vaguely obscene.

Shadowrider> <<movie's Matrix ,or Dingo's Matrix>>: Well, since a neural interface means it responds directly to data from my brain, I was thinking of a plug in the back of my neck.

Caliope> <<I'd choose battle suit, for the same reason I dont get a tatoo, to dang permanent! I like change>>: I think the reason I wouldn't mind a neural interface is the flexibility, especially in my future line of work. I would love it if I could just contemplate it, and complete coude would appear on my computer screen (of course the neural parser would have to be ready for instantaneous editing, not just core dump).

Mara> <<wherefore art thou>>: Again, it's the pedant in me, but the perpetual misuse of wherefore gets to me.

Niamhgold> <<what image do you think I should use>>: Welcome, and I personally recommend no image, they tend to get annoying next to small posts (at least in my twisted little mind).

Mecord> Uncle: I've got a couple months left until I gain that selfsame title. (idiot brother...)

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, February 28, 2000 11:54:23 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Coyote: Oh, I here you, bro. The think that really pissed me off about Bush was that he was complaining (let's be truthful--he was *whining*) that Democrat and independent votes helped McCain win. HELLO! Maybe I'm just naive, but isn't it a *good* thing to have sufficient appeal that members of a party other than your own are willing to vote for you? McCain (and Bush, if he had the sense) SHOULD be trying to win over some voters from the independents and, dare I say it, the Democrats. It's called running a good campaign. Bush just had some sour grapes
Jeez, politics make me nuts. It's like my neighbor likes to say--you vote for one guy, and two weeks after he's in office you start wishing you voted for the other. ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 11:53:04 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

**creeps back in**

I should've said this before, but my apologies if I offended the resident Texans in the room. I know George W. is probably one of your better governors, but ... ya gotta admit, he seems to be trying *way* too hard to be just like his dad.
Coyote the Bando
Monday, February 28, 2000 11:18:38 PM
IP: zzz-209252248093.splitrock.net

Quickie tonight ...

SJ: Go for it, dude. **high fives** I voted McCain in the Michigan primary because I'm one of the people that George W. Bush seems to think doesn't exist. Oh my God ... how can it be? I'M A MODERATE MCCAIN REPUBLICAN!!
Truth be told, I think good ol' George W. was just bein' a crybaby about it because he lost Michigan in an open primary, so he's blaming all the Democrats and independents for his loss.
No way. If he wants to lay blame on someone, lay it on all the vets, they'd rather see one of their own in the White House as opposed to that pot-smokin' horndog draft dodger that's been in the White House for the last eight years. I know my mother's *entire VFW post* voted for McCain.

Okay, that's enough politics for one night ... my head's starting to hurt ... **walks out**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, February 28, 2000 11:14:30 PM
IP: zzz-209252248093.splitrock.net

***BEGIN RP***
Dyspare looked at Sammael in horror. "You....you're talking about betraying Mephisto! Do you know what he'll do to both of us for that? Eternal punishment! He'll root us in the Forest of Suicides! Feed us to the Gluttons! Send us to the Pit of Lawyers!!!"
"Dys, snap out of it. You hate him just as much as I do. More, even. He treats you the worst out of all his servants. Just cause you're the smallest, he likes to pick on you the most."
"But, but--"
"No. I'm tired of it. I thought I was human, true. But I realized something during that time--humans, gargoyles, aliens....these mortals, they have things pretty good. Sure, they have their tragedies and sorrows, but they also have their joys and triumphs. Mephisto wants to deny them those, and he's denied us all of those things for years. I'm not going to stand by anymore. I'm choose to live my life differently. What about you?"
"I...I d-don't know. I'm s-so weak, and he's s-so powerful, and--"
"Do you want to be free, or do you want to be his lapdog for eternity."
"..."
"Dys?"
"I.....I-I'll help you. I'll help you stop him."
"Good," Sammael smiled. "You'll see; things will be rough at first, but you'll enjoy being free."
"Oh my God....." Kari suddenly gasped.
Sammael and Dyspare turned to her. "What? What's wrong?"
Kari pointed forward, towards a man approaching them. "Look!"
"What? Who is that?"
"Star of TV and feature films, it's....Tom Hanks!" Kari said breathlessly.
Sammael and Dyspare looked at each other. Dyspare shrugged, while Sammael turned back to Kari. "Who?"
****END RP****

Attila: As you can see, I think I'll take great joy in eliminating Tom Hanks ;) I just can't stand him....annoying, self-righteous twit. Have fun destroying the rest of the Ten, my furry friend ;)

Entertainment News!!!!
Remember how I mentioned Tim Burton will probably remake the classic "Planet of the Apes"? Sounds kinda cool, huh? Well, things just got worse. A LOT worse.
First off, the film is now being talked of not so much as a remake as a "reimagining" of the Apes franchise. So, this will be somewhat different, I suppose. That's not necessarily bad. Tim Burton could no doubt come up with some truly twisted new Ape designs and such. Then I came across today's mind-numbingly horrific rumor. Who is Hollywood thinking of getting to play the hero? Chuck Heston? Nooooo. A well-established action star such as Mel Gibson or Kurt Russell? Nooooo. Worse. Much worse. Two names have been mentioned, and both make me want to blow up every film studio in CA:
Matt Damon, and, of course, Leonardo DiCaprio.
This goes to prove my current theory about the entertainment industry: THERE ARE NO OTHER ACTORS ALIVE OTHER THAN LEO DICAPRIO AND MATT DAMON. NONE. The rest must have died overnight, cause EVERY freakin' movie EVER made now has one of those two schmucks as the lead. I hate Hollywood....I really do. Please, Chuck Heston, on the off chance you read this, please get your gun and call up your NRA buddies. Then head over to that studio and teach those executives a lesson!

SOROW: No, I liked the Mummy. But several other people in this room did not really enjoy it. I'm looking forward to a sequel to the Mummy, actually :)

Mormons: Oh boy, more religious discussion. My sister converted to this faith. I have some problems with it, namely their opinion of women and the role women should have in society. Plus, I wish Mormons didn't practice the Catholic method of birth control (in other words, they don't seemingly have any). I really don't need a thousand of the Osmonds running around. To be fair, though, it's all relative--my own personal beliefs would no doubt be odd or ridiculous to the followers of the Mormon faith.

Silverstar: I don't know much about the Ninth Gate, save that it has something to do with Johnny Depp opening a gate to Hell or something like that (hmm...what is it lately with all these apocalptic "opening a gate to hell" movies? Must be the millennium). It looks kind of interesting. However, it was directed by Roman "Pedophile" Polanski, so on that fact alone I'm thinking of boycotting the picture.

Mecord: True, Marvel marriages don't last...then again, real life marriages don't last either. Still, rare is it for a single comics character to stay involved with another character for any permanent length of time. I wonder, though; with Cyclops out of the way, will Wolvie think about maybe moving in on Slim's old territory? ;)

Cyclops in the X-Men: Maybe it's just me, but I always viewed him as a rather stagnant character. He never went anywhere. His default settings were either a)boyscout leader who had to have everyone follow his way or b)annoying snob who whined whenever the other X-Men didn't follow his orders ("Wah! Wolverine doesn't wanna do what I say! Wah!") He just annoyed me to no end. Maybe that's my own biased slant on the character, but I'm glad they did away with him, at least for the time being.
Of course, this being the Marvel Universe, he will return one day. Hell, they even wrote into his "death" a way for him to return--that being the fact that he's not necessarily "dead", his body was just possessed by and merged with that of Apocalypse (thereby, IMO, unforgivably tainting the coolest X-villain out there). One of these days, Marvel will have him split from 'Pox, and he'll be back to his good ol' boyscout role. Hopefully, they'll take a hint and WAIT to bring him back. Build up some drama.

Indecision 2000: Tomorrow we have the Virginia Republican primaries. I'm gonna have to go and vote tomorrow, cause like I said before, I'm still young enough not to be disenfranchised with the American election system. I'm sure most of you could really give a rat's booty about my choice, but I think I'll vote for McCain. Here's the reason why--I kinda like him anyway, but I have to vote for him cause I got this diatribe from my father over the weekend about how he doesn't like McCain anymore cause McCain said some bad things about Bob Jones University (you know, the "Ain't no Colored folks gonna be dating no good Christian white girls or boys" college). That's right. My father took offense to McCain saying something bad about Bob Jones college (you SEE what I have to deal with? Is it any wonder I have problems with my family?) I tried to explain that Bob Jones is one step away from being Pat Buchanan University, but that wasn't a very well accepted argument. So McCain gets my vote, cause hey, I like him, and he pisses off my old man.
I thought about voting for Alan Keyes, cause that would piss off just about everyone I know (and forgive me, but God I do have a passive-aggressive love to rile people up ;)...but unfortunately for the good Mr. Keyes, pissing off the parental unit took precedence.

Finally, in conclusion I have this to say: I am proud to profess that I have absolutely NO knowledge of the martial arts whatsoever. I'm damn proud of that. Oooh, look, you can break a board with your fist. ;p I could break a nail doing that! My face is too pretty for battle. Jackie Chan I am not ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 11:02:01 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

***10th Kingdom Spoilers***

Okay, I saw the TK last night and thought that it was pretty good. The thing that confused me though, is that I don't get who the evil witch is that is trying to take over the kingdoms. Is she the princes' step-mother or just someone who hates him? Someone please help clear this up for me. Also I heard that it was a five part series that is only going to be on for three nights. Is this true?

*** End 10th Kingdom Spoilers***

I found out that tomorrow I have to go to the dentist because I might have to get a root canal. From what my mom told me I am going to be in a lot of pain.

Has *anyone* heard about the movie 'The Ninth Gate'? If so please, please, what is it about?

Well that about does it for me. Bye!
silverstar
Monday, February 28, 2000 10:58:39 PM
IP: l4p28.dav.mother.com

hey all. Quickie post, since i have a room to clean and vacuum.

the little problem: I told him, in no uncertain terms, that he can *not* use my characters. Now, we shall see. He hasn't e-mailed me back, which is good, since his e-mails always make my head hurt. As for the suggestions, thanks all. As long as he remains skulking in the shadows, all is well... <crosses fingers> But for when reality sets in and he returns... well, let's just say my chibis will have fun with my "small problem" (whose name shan't be mentioned, of course) in the CR..

Aaron: Ever read "Transmetropolitean"? Your descriptionof "Brave New World" seems to fit that was well...

jewel
Monday, February 28, 2000 10:32:49 PM
IP: atlnb112-07.splitrock.net

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Monday, February 28, 2000 10:25:15 PM
IP: dial126.b1.tnt4.sea.wa.freei.net

Kitainia > thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the Black Roses snippet; I am really excited about the manuscript.

Book News > speaking of manuscripts, I got the postcard today informing me that the whole thing has arrived with the last agent asking to see it ... so now the dance of rejection begins again ...

Avalon Mists > glad people are liking it! And I'm already seeing some submissions for next time, woo! Keep 'em coming!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 10:19:43 PM
IP: 10-070.009.popsite.net

<---- Just cause I haven't posted a pic in a long time... DAMN HE'S HOT!!!! ;P I love you more Joe... *kiss*

Gside> Okay, so when I'm walking down the street and some scary guy jumps out and tries to attack me I'd either A) stock him in the eye with my elbow spur and fortunately gouge his eye out or B) jut him in the stomach with my knee spur and with a lucky shot I'd probably stab him in the heart...HHHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!! I just got a really funny mental image! But seriously, I really don't prefer the spurs. Interesting idea on self defense though. *stiffles a giggle*

Jaden> Oooohhh, that is a scary thought! But we can't be fearing death all our lives.

SJ> Hey, I like The Mummy! What didn't you like about it? Just asking...

Kit> Awwww, that's sweet. You are such a good friend and big sister to me! *hugs*

Roll call for the TGS CR Clan... where is Deuce, Pistoff, JackaL, Fire Storm, Zath, Rolling Calf, Traveler, and everyone else who we miss? POST NOW!!!!!!!
SOROW
Monday, February 28, 2000 10:17:23 PM
IP: dll2a020-0828.splitrock.net

Mecord> *blinks* LDS having horns and a tail? I live in the south and very involved with the Boy Scouts - which is heavily populated by the LDS and I have never heard of such a thing. Of course, that doesn't mean it hasn't been said - but if it has, I'm sure it's just been by some radical redneck group or something ;) I have no doubt that the Pentecostal, Catholics and Baptist have also been said to have horns and tails by some of these groups. *shrugs* ignorant bunch of people.
Jannie
Monday, February 28, 2000 10:15:19 PM
IP: 216-90-185-244.hou.port.mytelco.com

*Staggers into the CR panting* only 3 more weeks of this insane schedule. Then i can concentrate on my school work. yipee. Ack...I was wrong...another 6 weeks, then its all done.

Newcommers>Welcome all. *War Frost, the huge direwolf, walks over to all the new people and greets them, too. Also greets (in a non threatening way) the new cat*

Mec>Gratz on being an uncle. Myself, i fear the day my sister will tell us she is pregnant (i'm still getting used to the fact that she is getting married)

Warpmind>The yahoos would be anyone in Ireland who thinks that Ireland should still be ruled by the British Crown. As for the strict Catholic vs. Prot, I can't really get mad at someone for their religion. My dad is Irish Catholic, and my mom is Protestant. I just hate those that think Ireland belongs to soeone other than herself.

Jeet kune do>(I hope i have the right martial art, or i am going to look like even more of a fool. Jeet kune do was Bruce Lee's creation, right?)Just a random comment, but Jeet Kune do is based, as everyone knows, on various martial arts. Here is something you may not know: It is also based on fencing. Both foot work and certain attacks are directly taken from fencing (I.e. stop-actions:kicking a leg that has started a kick) One of Bruce Lee's friends was a fencer in college, and he watched several practices.

**RP**
Archwolf had time to pull out a flask and take a swig of specially brewed 'war' wiskey before he engaged any enemies. "Until we know for certain what is going on, just maim!" He yells to War Frost. The dire wolf was too busy trying to pull off one of Rob Riener's arms to reply. Archwolf took a real quick second to gain situational awarenes. There was another Werewolf bing pinned down by an angry looking Tom Hanks, he saw one of the Baldwins looking daggers at one of those catholic school girls, and various other problems developing. He charged at Hanks, changing into his Crinos form as he closed on the cannon-wielding actor. "Hey GUMP!" The actor turned, surprised and horrified at what charged him. It didn't keep him from pulling the trigger as the giant werewolf colided with him. Burt fur really stinks. Archwolf rolled onto his back and fliped the stuned actor over to where the other werewolf was seeking shelter, then got up to find another target, using the pain in his side to push his rage to its limits.
**End RP**

Shade and sweet water, all.
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 09:41:05 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Shadowrider: Well, I'm only dangerous when I need to be. <grin> Glad you've learned some of the same things I have from mastering fighting styles and have had a similarly good teacher. (Mine's a guy, but he's just as nice a person as yours and probably about as skilled. He'd been champion of the Houston area for a few years when I studied under him and was only dethroned in 1998 by a guy from Dallas who had the same attitude about martial arts, only more skill. :) Hope you continue to learn good values from your martial arts training, along with all the various skills that come with. Thanks for the response.
Kitainia
Monday, February 28, 2000 09:00:47 PM
IP: pool-207-205-234-9.dlls.grid.net

Skippy- Yeah, that's what I thought at first, but then I started to think about it. Is the conditioning they do in BNW really that much different than anything our parents, tv, religion, etc do nowadays? Isn't it possible that our social order HAS been imposed on us? I mean, I was basically born into the upper middle class, and given all their opportunities. The only difference is that maybe I'm less specialized than the people designed in BNW. Well, the other difference is that in America one can ascend the social order if they are extraordinary in some way. What's interesting is that in BNW, the thing that is stripped away is supposedly a person's freedom to discover themselves, make their own choices about their lives which leads to individuality. However, in this world I can't help but feel that our lifepaths are limited too (though to a lesser extent).
As I look at nature, I see system that more resembles BNW than ours. All the animals are specifically designed to fit into a niche. While a species' purpose in its own mind may be to survive and propagate, when looking at the big picture its purpose is to fulfill its role in the ecosystem. Very similar to BNW if you ask me; animals/people following stimuli with the appropriate response. Maybe people acting as individuals (gasp, heaven forbid) is unnatural. But that wouldn't be the first time humans interfered in nature.

Kit/Mecord- I wasn't denying the relationships in the gargoyles society, but merely reflecting on the emphasis of the collective that they has in Scotland. Yet everything seemed to change once they arrived in NY. I'm sorry, but I don't think gargoyles society was really much of a democracy in Scotland (i.e. the leader would be more similar to a World Controller). I think it was the reduction in number of the clan that allowed for other voices, and perhaps even enhanced their relationships to human-like. I actually agree (once they hit NY) that the gargoyles seemed to treasure individuality more. But my question was really about was caused this change. Was it nature or just the influence of the culture or the result of stressful situations?

Mr. Thrugg
Monday, February 28, 2000 08:23:49 PM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

Kitainia:>I forgot to say:"Busabu" is almost the same of "Sabuni",both meaning "sensei",but "Busabu" is a little more confidential.
See you.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, February 28, 2000 08:11:36 PM
IP: h213-20-207.mi2.albacom.net

Aaron> I hate to point this out to you, but Charles Durning wasn't in Rocky Horror. It's Charles Gray you are thinking about... and he was born August 29th.

Skippy The Klingon
Monday, February 28, 2000 08:10:26 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-09.ultravision.net

I'm back again for a while.

Kitainia:>Thank you for answering me :).I'm reliefed you didn' feel offenced by my question,'cause you seem quite
a dangerous girl.;).So,you practice a wide range of styles,huh?I think it is a good thing.As I said,I started practicing Taekwon-do (I've always been writing it this way-so it is written on my dobok's back) eight years ago,in order to learn self-defense,but mainly to find a way to gain control of myself (as I was 14,I assure you I was loosing it in a very bad way).Taekwon-do teached me to self-control,to respect other people and judge them by their actions and not by their race,sex or condition-and,of course,to deal with the ones who didn't want to respect me ;).In these years I also praticed other arts (Jeet kune do,Aikido,Kali...)in order to pick up new techniques for self-defense,but my first passion remains Taekwon-do,it is surely the martial art I know the best way.I've also been Italian champion in my class in '97 and '98,both in fighting and tul ("Tul" is the equivalent of "Kata",if you don't know it)(I was quite lucky in both years,please don't think I'm a superman or so...;)) and,finally,last month I was given the black belt,a dream coming true! :).
About chauvinism,well,I think that you're right:if any sensei (or "Sabuni",in korean) would behave the way Leela's sensei did,would prove himself unworthy of teaching-and a very unpleasant person.Well,I'm male and I have not to face such problems,but if I'd been a female,it would be the same.Wanna know why?Because my Busabu is a woman,or,better,a girl (she was 16 as I begun-now is 24 and is taking her degree in architecture);her name is Arianna (with two "n"),she's a very good-looking girl,but she's above all a VERY skilled fighter (she's been European champion for a bunch of years,before stopping with tournaments,and I assure you no matter I'm a man,she's more than able to knock me in orbit as she wants...) and,as far as I'm concerned,an exceptional
teacher and a good friend.I'd like to see what if she'd meet Leela's sensei...I think I'd enjoy the show,while he'd probably not.;).Well,thank you again for answering me,I send you my greetings,see you around.
Kyong-ye Taekwon!

Poll:>Situation updated:

13 Gargoyles
10 Battlesuits
5 Mutates
2 Cyborgs

Niamhgold:>I agree with you,battlesuits are the best to me.A Valkirie-like battlesuit,huh?Well,sounds pretty cool.
If you wanna know something about my ideal battlesuit,you can go and see last week's comment,I described it as I launched the poll (I'm sorry I don't remember exactly when,maybe in 23 or 24 of February,but I'm not sure):(.

Mecord:>I'm very interested in your theories about Gargoyles.If you want,I'd be glad to discuss them with you (I could tell you about some Italian legends I find very intriguing...)

Ragga,se vedemu!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, February 28, 2000 08:03:42 PM
IP: h213-20-207.mi2.albacom.net

Thanks, silverstar!

(I, too, must be leaving for tonight :(

Adios!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 08:01:22 PM
IP: ncia93n.ncia.net

***(silverstar enters CR smiling)***
Hi!
Just wanted to say welcome to Niamhgold. I am new here too. I also want to welcome anyone else here who is new.
I'v gotta go now. Have a nice day everyone!
****(leaves humming 'Gargoyles' theme song)****
silverstar
Monday, February 28, 2000 07:35:23 PM
IP: l4p31.dav.mother.com

Reverand Atila, did you try clicking on the link, I was getting there ok. I'm not greedy. The Shetland Islands and the Hebrides will do fine.

Auntie Starsinger
Anonymous
Monday, February 28, 2000 07:13:52 PM
IP: proxy-513.public.rwc.webtv.net

Shadowrider > Hi! Um...don't know if I'm _too_ new for this, but if you're interested, here's my choice for your poll. Battlesuit. Definitely battlesuit. One modelled after Demona's Valkyries, to be precise. I mean, with what else can you have the agility and power of a gargoyle, the lightning-zapping ability of a mutate, and the mechanical weaponry options of a cyborg all rolled into one, and still be able to go out and join your human friends for coffee in the morning? Best of all four worlds without any of the consequences! Woohoo! ;))

Plus, they're just sooo shiny and cool...!

Mecord > wait...I mean, Mec. Nice to meet you, too! I haven't exactly heard about Mormons being described as having a horns and tail...Mormon comes from the Joseph's two words "mor" and "mon," which mean "more good," so I can't imagine people giving them negative connotations. But it would have been cool if they'd had wings. And, sure, toss some of your Gargoyles theories my way! I'm always interested in myths, legends, and the like.

Maybe one more post later, but it may be time for me to roost for the night...Thanks for the warm welcome! :))))

Hasta Manana

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 07:01:55 PM
IP: ncia122n.ncia.net

Shadowrider: It's okay, don't worry, you're not being tactless. :) Yes, I am involved with martial arts, though I'm probably not as passionate about them as you seem to be. :) I practice a combination of styles that incorproates tae bo, tae kwon do, kenpo karate, and tai chi chuan with the various streetfighting moves I've picked up over the years. It's served me well in many a fight, I'm more the type who practices martial arts so I know how to defend myself and can be strong rather than for love of the art form (though I do have that to a small degree). The part of my post you were referring to was my feelings toward that awful alien sensei on Futu-rama last night, right? Well, the reason I responded to that the way I did was I hated the character in a major way. Basically Leela (one of the Futu-rama main characters) was his best student, but he wouldn't give her a black belt because she "lacked the will of the warrior." Actually she didn't lack it except in the sensei's chauvinist pig way of thinking, which said women could never fight as well as men no matter what. Leela of course realized this and told the sensei so, but he responded with "You want to challenge me? Sorry, you've already lost. Rematch? You lose again! Ha!" They didn't even fight either, he was just being the crown prince of jerkdom. Later in life (the episode's main plot) Leela of course got to fight the guy and triumphed over him through use of her greater skill and intelligence, but I would not have waited as long as she did. I would have tackled the sensei right when he insulted me, and proven to him whether or not his stupid words were true. That was just me being an angry feminist, as well as a proud practitoner of the martial arts who has fought and defeated many male opponents who were assumed to be better in her time. :)
Kitainia
Monday, February 28, 2000 06:34:53 PM
IP: pool-207-205-146-106.dlls.grid.net

*Enters smiling and waving hands*
Good evening,Comment Room! (Well, at least in Italy is evening,almost night,actually)

Poll:>Situation:

13 Gargoyles
9 Battlesuits
5 Mutates
2 Cyborgs

Well,situation seems quite steady.
Thanks to everyone who have taken part by now.

Coyote:>I finally managed to access last week's comments and see your vote,so you'll not need to repost it.

Xanathar:>I think being a Gargoyle would be beautiful-for a while,at least.Living my whole life as a Gargoyle...well,I don't know.

Jeremy:>Welcome.I'm sure you'll enjoy staying here.What are we all talking about?Well,I'm not sure-I'm quite new here as well,but I'm sure you'll get involved in a very short time.(Just in case you wondered it-I'm leading a little opinion poll with the question "If you could choose,you'd prefer to become a Gargoyle,a mutate (what kind of mutate?),a cyborg (what kind of cyborg?) or wear a battlesuit (what kind of battlesuit?).You can vote if you want-and I'd be grateful if you'd post a short explanation of your vote ("I choosed it because...").By the way,I choosed the battlesuit-you can seek the last week's commentes for details,the poll is somewhere about in the middle of screen).See you soon.:)

Peter:>OK!:)

Caliope:>Of course I'm still counting-I'll keep on counting till someone will keep on voting.:) BTW I agree both with your choice and with your reason-neither I'd never get a tatoo =:P.

Niamhgold:>I'm glad to meet you.:)

Kitainia:>Just a question (Feel free to ignore it if you don't want to answer):are you somehow involved with martial arts or anyway in fighting training?-(something in your post made me wonder about it)-I'm asking because martial arts are a most important part of my life (I've been practicing Taekwon-do since I was 14 and now that I'm 22 I can't imagine to live without) and I'm always glad to meet someone who shares my passion.I know it is a personal question,so if you don't want to answer,well,feel free not to do it,and,if I seemed tactless,I apologize in advance.I can assure you it is not simple curiosity.:|

Ragga,se vedemu!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, February 28, 2000 06:20:31 PM
IP: h255-22-186.mi2.albacom.net

**Mecord enters CR holding an orange Siamese cat. The cat purrs contentedly.***
Hi all. Good news! I Have a new niece by the name of Melissa Emily Jones. A darling girl 17 �� long weighing in at 6 lbs. 6 ounces. I�m headed to Salt Lake this weekend to spend more time with my sister and new niece.

****RP****
Mecord is sitting on his bed in the infirmary fiddling with a vile of Borg Nano probes that had tried to assimilate him not long ago. A large man with some wicked looking weapons accompanied by a dire-wolf enters demanding a few answers. Mecord grimaces, �Why is it every werewolf I meet thinks about eating me? Well I�m afraid I don�t know too much, But the basic line is that there�s half a dozen different groups trying to take over your world at the moment, and we just repulsed a major demon infestation from Hell. As for you, my dragon here tells me that you�re in a spot of trouble.�
�Dragon, what? If that�s a threat�.�
�No, not a threat. You have a bolt from my crossbow. Bardic here turned invisible to follow you and he sensed something sampling your auras. We have to find out who and what they plan for you.�
�What do you mean �messing with my aura�?�
�Could be anything to a magic drain to a tissue sample. Whoever did it has a powerful magic signature. Bardic, who is having trouble changing to normal,� Mec glares at the empty space, �should be able to track the signature, or at least recognize it if we get close.�
***Pause RP***

GB>> Logan is nestled in a secluded valley in northern Utah. High mountains, lots of canyons, trees, green (as far as Utah goes.), and a nearby ski resort. Nice quiet town, a little to quiet for my tastes really. I compare it to Avalon, what did Gabriel say in �Ill met by Moonlight�? �Truly, a small adventure now and then�� Yes, Cache Valley (Logan) is predominantly Mormon. There are a few other churches here and there, but nowhere near of the number of LDS chapels. There is also an LDS Temple that towers in an almost gothic stile over the valley.

Interesting note about Mormon myths: In some parts of the Eastern and southern parts of the U.S. it has been rumored that Mormons have horns and sometimes a tail (too bad wings weren�t a part of that deal :)). Anyone else ever here this?
(Which reminds me, I have a few biblical theories concerning Gargoyles if anyone wants to here them)

Reverend Attila>> I forgot to mention a while back, but I am what is commonly called a �cat person� we have eight cats in residence and our garage is a hang out for all the local felines. One cat calls me her own and we have somewhat of an empathic link. **Orange feline nudges the hand that stopped scratching her ears.**

Mr. Thrugg>> Ditto to what Kit said.

Niamhgold>> Hi! Names Mecord, call me Mec. Sounds like you�ll fit in great here. See ya around!

Comics: I actually liked Cyclops. The X-men just won�t be the same without him. I was kind of hoping that if he left, he and Jean could retire or something. It seems like in the Marvel-verse no marriage ever lasts. Oh, well. I think that someone mentioned that they stopped reading Gen-X because the artwork was bad? It was getting bad, but they are on the up side again and have a few good story lines going at the moment.

***Resume RP***
With Mecord following the invisible Dragon, they raced down the corridors. Mec recognized the area, they were approaching the hangar where they entered this whole mess. The elf�s skin began to tingle. That�s right he had forgotten that there was some sort of dimensional disturbance there. They were going to have to take care of that if Bardic and he were ever going to get off this station. The tingle increased. Uh oh, something was beginning to come through again. The sounds of battle ensued from neighboring hangar. As they peeked in, Mec saw the most incredulous thing he had ever experienced. A cat was trading threats and battling a one-eyed man. Over the battle the ominous presence of a huge battle-mech seemed to hold the high ground. They all saw someone get vaporized, and the person who appeared to replace him. Thinking quickly, Mecord threw the vial of nano-probes at the mech. The vial shattered and the probes sank into the programming. If you can�t beat �em have them join you, hope that at least slows it down.
With an inhuman cry, Archwolf draws his klaive and leaps into the battle, followed by the direwolf. Bardic slips into the room and tackles the Mecha-Streisand, which becomes confused at being attacked by an invisible foe. Mec fires a crossbow bolt at Rob Reiner, hitting him in the leg. I happen to like cats.
****End RP****

Mecord
Utah
Monday, February 28, 2000 04:56:29 PM
IP: usr58.mtwest.net

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Anonymous
Monday, February 28, 2000 04:55:13 PM
IP: usr58.mtwest.net

Wilek:

<<<calcerious {bony} skeletons: lungfish, celocanths, sharks, {all normal}>> Um...I thought
their skeletons were cartilage rather than bone (sharks at least)? Or does that matter for the
purposes of this discussion? >

. not really. lungfish have bone skeletons, as do the celocanths {siblings to the original amphibians}...

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 04:53:00 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

You know what? I should have become more involved in this _years_ ago.

Problem is, I'm a lurker. Yes, one of _those_ people. I've watched gargoyles and its Internet fandom from afar, but I've been here since rat.org and my first site to visit was Elisagoyle's place. Can't remember that URL now, but it's in my mind *somewhere.* I only had the nerve to start posting my fics over at the fan website starting late '98.

Point is, I'm reinspired! The GFR, the people I've e-mailed all have an active part in the fandom, and I feel it's time I do my share, as well. Plus, there's some other new people out there, and, I figure, why not add myself to the boat?

So hi, I'm Niamhgold, and I'll be the one trying her best to act weird, act odd, go crazy, because I want to fit in! I know some of you, some of you know me, but this is my time to introduce myself to everyone else! Hi!

Oh, and I'll try _really_ hard not to anger the Chibis...;) By the by, what image do you think I should use? I don't want to infringe upon anyone's rights.

Adios!

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 04:23:59 PM
IP: ncia68n.ncia.net

*Drags herself into the CR*

Lord, I HATE having to work both days of the weekend!! Having only 1 day off just IS NOT enough time to unwind or get any chores done. I'll be so glad when they get a permenant lead for Sunday mornings. It's my only day of the week that I can "legally" sleep in with no worries. I haven't even gotten a chance to read any of the postings here since Thurday nite. Now I'm going to have to go to the archives *groan*

I live right near a drive-in theater, and on Friday night I nearly choked on my own bile and almost went blind! They actually had the gall to pair up Pitch Black with The Beach!! *using her best/worst valley-girl voice, she says
"Gag me with a spoon!" How could they dare to put Leo's face up on the same screen along with Keith David. *shudders in distate*

Christine> You got turned down yet again?!! Holy #@%$^!!! What's wrong with these people! Has everyone had a frontal lobotomy or what?

Jaden> You're in CA also? From your weather discription, you must be in SoCal. Weather was the same way here in Sandy Eggo this weekend.

Jeremy> Just hang around for a little while and everything will start to make a tiny bit of sense.

Well, time for me run off and shock the bank when I deposit $3500 in cash to my checking. (got refund check in mail last week and cashed it just to say I've held that much cash in my hands. LOL) Too bad it all has to go to paying off bills and getting a POS car instead of going to G2K. =[
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, February 28, 2000 03:43:12 PM
IP: 98adca79.ipt.aol.com

Mara> Just checking.

Does anybody know where I could get a complete list of the fandom award winners? I know they should be somewhere over at the reunion site, but I'm too dense to find them. Thanx.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, February 28, 2000 03:30:45 PM
IP: ppp-195.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

Mara> Mara-ko, Mara-ko, wherefore art thou, Mara-ko?

Oh, in a world called
"mara either to tired or busy to do it"

mara wanted to post in CR BUT "mara either to tired or busy to do it"

Mara
Monday, February 28, 2000 03:21:56 PM
IP: spider-te081.proxy.aol.com

****Kyryn fades in***

Johnny> Yes, that was the end of DA for this season. Blame me for not putting up the 'Season finale' note on the current eps page. We're working away on Timedancer right now and hope to have it start in mid-March.

Jeremy> Welcome to the CR! Please turn the capslock off. Writing in all caps is the equivalent of shouting in the room. :)

***Kyryn fades back to work***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, February 28, 2000 02:45:54 PM
IP: 207.115.148.178

RP WARNING!!!
**Avatar of Gannon
Reverend Attila and his scouts arrive with a few friends, namely David Horowitz, Tuxedo Charleton Heston, the beautiful and talented Ann Coulter, OJ Simpson, and the Green Baron.

Attila and Rob Reiner face off.
"You took my eye, you evil cat."
"Well, it's time for me to finish my job, meathead."
Charleton Heston faces off against Rosie O'Donnell, but she just sits at him, so the lovely Ann Coulter walks over to face Rosie O'Donnel with her own BFG while goosing GB in the process.
"Here's my opinion of gun control, Rosie."
"She means business. Now get off me, you damned ape."
"You dare to talk to me like that. Now, I'll eat some refried beans and teach you a lesson, Chuck."

David Horrowitz and Tom Hayden face off in another area.
"You betrayed the cause, Dave. I beleived in you, man."
"Grow up, Tom. The sixties are over. Embrace the eighties."**
PAUSE RP!!

Jewel> I'd say MST his works in a really nasty way. Maybe I can lead that team :) He did one fanfic called Scissions.

Anne> Gte your cats togetehr. We can party and invest in catnip futures :)

Gside> You mean the Spanish Inquisition comment? GB used that in the RP when I busted out Pinochet.

Coyote> <<House Un-American Activities Committee and trying (but failing) to resist the temptation to rip that little worm into eleven pieces?). >> I coudl see soem godo thinsg about HUAC, but it is a violation of the First Ammnedment and could now be used against anti-big government types. McCarthy was a worm and a fraud and a boozer. GB's grandfather was a red hunter in teh 60s and 70s. He was Chief of Internal Security for the Attorney General's Offcie. If he were alive, I wonder what he would say about the INS agent in Miami who is a spy for Castro. Sheds some light on the Elian Gonzalez case. Red Hunting si an honorable task, but McCarthy was a dsigarce to true haters of Communism.

Skippy> It is good that Iran voetd in the reformers. They are probably like England was after Cromwell's regime ended. I think they should have a figurehead Shah who can keep morale, but who ahs no real power. They elected a reformer Prime Minsiter, too. I do hope the big wigs keep the wardrobe, too. That part I like :)

Well, America may have extremes from teh otehr end. Ralph Nader is running for President. It is so reassuring he has no chance in Hell of winning. Hmm...America as an oligarchy ruled by Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, Paul Wellstone, Jesse Jackson, and Ted Kennedy....Afghanistan wouldn't sound that bad, afterall :)

Don't forget left-win desposts too. They can be just as nasty, like Fidel Castro or Huey P Long. They're body count woudl be inetresting to learn.

Brave New World also strikes me as more of ahappy-faced totalitarian hippy dicatorship where free-love is mandatory, excpet actual feelings of love and intimacy are illegal.

Kitainia> $Go ahead and kill the ones you want, but Rosie, Tom Hayden, and Rob Reiner are mine. OJ could kill a few, too. The Hollywood Ten are: Rob Reiner, David Geffen, Tom Hayden (Hanoi Jane's second husband and an admitted red), Tom Hanks (in Forrest Gump style), Tom Cruise, Barbara Streissand, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Spike Lee, Rosie O'Donell, and I forget the last one, but let's say Warpmind vaporized him :) Mecha-Streissand is from South park so your Ravens can kill her, but they may want to remember her vulnerable point :)$

I think that demonic symbol was Al Sharpton's shadow :)

SJ> $I give you rights to Tom Hanks, if you want to kill him$

Warpmind> $Actually, I'd rather you not vaporize anymore, since I wnat an old-fasioned face-off between characters, but thanks for vaporziing one since I only remembered nine of the Ten.$

Starsinger> sadly, your link doesn't work. I'll let you take all of Scotland if you can give GB his ancestral lands and Normandy. I'd like the Isle of Man so I can rule all the Manx cats :)

Caliope> I take it you don't like Jennifer Lopez.

Jeemy> Welcome. Meow!! You amy want to work on taht link there.

Congratulations Stromy ::kitty hugs::

RESUME RP!!
**In anoteh rpart fo the Avatar, a machine has a tally of ten and one of that tally is unlit (the one warpmind vaporized), but a new figure appears and that one is re-lit. It's Billy Baldwin and he wants revenge on Brigitte for killing his brother Alec. Somehow, there will be ten villains untilk we run out of Hollywood bleeding-hearts (not liekly) or the machine is destroyed.**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!

Reverend Attila - [RevAttila@catsrule.garfieldcom]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, February 28, 2000 02:42:26 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Aaron wanders in, leaps on a desk and shouts "It's just a jump to the left!"

Today is the birthday of Charles "No Neck" Durning, the narrator in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Feel free to celebrate in various inappropriate ways.

Watched a few more eps of NG:Evangelion. I'd like to see Owen have to put up with Misato (sp) for a week or two.

Jenna> Shot you another em. Hope this one made it, roomie. :)

Wilek> And I thought the Illuminati were the only dark force working behind the scenes in american politics.

Warpmind> I think Meowth is a voyeur. ;) Caught a new episode on sunday, and Jesse pimpslapped Meowth with her hair. For some reason, I find that really cool.

Jaden> I've always preferred Cassidy's version: "Curiosity won't just kill the cat, it'll pull of its head and stumpf**k the remains 'til sunup."

jewel> I haven't a clue what to do about this punk. Maybe you could introduce him to your mom.

Brave New World> I remember horrifying my english teacher with my opinion of the book. (Remember, I was 16 at the time) It's a teenage dream. Drugs are legal and widely available, sex with anything that moves is encouraged, and there are no parents. Teenage utopia.

Mara> Mara-ko, Mara-ko, wherefore art thou, Mara-ko?

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, February 28, 2000 02:32:31 PM
IP: ppp-226.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

Hi everyone. Was that the end of the season for Dark Ages?
I haven't seen mention of it and was afraid to ask fearing backlash from the authors. :)

Thanks,
Johnny

Johnny Miller - [jmiller1@satx.rr.com]
San Antonio, tx, USA
Monday, February 28, 2000 01:33:25 PM
IP: jmiller.pub.swri.edu

Hey everyone!

I got Third Place for FUNNY FANFIC at the Reunion Awards and I just want to thank everyone who voted for me. I didn't get the chance to do much for the reunion since I was up north on my break week, though I WAS one of the judges for the art contest. I hope they do another Reunion next year.

Kitainia: The Punisher...Kills...*gasping laugher* The...marveluniverse....ROTFLMAO!!! DAMN i have to see that someday! A shame I can't pick up PUNISHER since my money's already going to Garth's HITMAN series! Maybe if I get rich someday!

Someone once accused HITMAN of being DC's PUNISHER ripoff and I informed them, point blank, that Tommy could kick Frank's @$$. Now that Garth is writing Both of them...hot DAMN, wouldn't THAT be the crossover of all time??

Beast Machines is airing Season 2 in Canada. I won't spoiler it for you, but it is DEFINITELY worth seeing. The series is taking some VERY interesting turns.
Stormrave (Stormy)
Monday, February 28, 2000 12:50:59 PM
IP: dbwctrn020.lib.uwo.ca

I THINK I AM CATCHING ON TO THIS COMMENT ROOM.FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK WILEK FOR THE WELCOME.POLL<<:I WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE A GARGOYLE.COMIC BOOKS<<:I USED TO READ SPAWN,WOLVERINE AND X-MEN BUT HAVEN'T IN A FEW YEARS.YO I KNOW SOME OF YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES I JUST FINISHED RESIDENT EVIL 3 THAT GAME WAS MAD SPOOKY.HEY WHAT GAME LINE DO YOU LIKE BETTER:RESIDENT EVIL,FINAL FANTASY,MARIO ETC.
Jeremy - [Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
bradford, mass, usa
Monday, February 28, 2000 12:39:26 PM
IP: xcom-79-213.mdc.net

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Jeremy - [Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 12:18:10 PM
IP: xcom-79-213.mdc.net

Hi everyone! :)

I'm Soooooo Behind! Gotta catch up!

Sevarious Jr> Well, if your compleatly off base, then that makes two of us! :P As for Jenifer Lopez, it saddens me realy, she gives all Puertorican girls a bad rep! I most cirtainly wouldnt be caught dead in THAT gettup! I never much liked Ricky Martin when he sang in spanish and now that he sings in english, frankly I can not stand him! He sudenly seaks SANISH with a funny accent! Oh, and I'm VERY happy 'bout the Angel and Buffy thing, thanxs for the info! :)

Anime> I DO love anime (in this case manga) but I also enjoy comics in general, i dont think either should "take over " the other. Ofcorse I havent read much comics in a long time...I stoped reading Gen X when the animation went down the tubes and everything else got canceled because of and on going brokeness in my being ;P

The Rock> *grones* I HATE that guy! The only rock like qualitie he's got is his ego!!!

POLL> If anyone is still counting, I'd choose battle suit, for the same reason I dont get a tatoo, to dang permanent! I like change! :P

Ok! That should do it for now! Bye!
Caliope
Monday, February 28, 2000 11:29:48 AM
IP: 136.145.83.183

Shadowrider> No problem. I wouldn't be as strong or as fast as a normal gargoyle.

6-limbed animals> Perhaps we should qualify this with that there are no land living 6-limbed animals.

If there's anyone who wishes to see season two of beast machines, but doesn't get YTV just follow my name link to download the episodes.

Welcome newcomers. As the Deuce has not been around for awhile, just leave yours next to the mutant tree and he'll collect it when he does show up.

Congratulations Xanathar and Fleur

If anyone is wondering where I have been, I've been just gone into extended lurk. I've just been too lazy to post.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Monday, February 28, 2000 10:34:19 AM
IP: dial-156.ocis.net

Yo hey i am kinda new to this site like i said before i realy love the gargoyles.Only i don't have a clue what your all talkin about.I don't suppose any one would e-mail me and clue me in.I would like to add comments but i can't understand what u r all talkin about.Someone please drop me a line,pass me a freaquin bone here{put pinki to lip}.Na but 4 real i would like to know and the Rock is gonna kick sum mummy a$$.
Jeremy - [Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
bradford, mass, usa
Monday, February 28, 2000 10:26:49 AM
IP: xcom-78-212.mdc.net

*Walks in with a happy grin on his face*:)

Hi all!!

Coyote:<<I've already passed this along to you, but it bears repeating ... you two are a beautiful couple (say, how'd today go for yas?) ... may you have as much or more happiness as that which Mara and myself share. **takes Xanathar's cue and kisses his own beloved**>>Thanks:).I can say without a doubt my friend that Sunday was the happiest day of my life,I'll spare everyone the sugary details(For the romance diabetics out there:) ) but we pretty much stuck to the schedule that I mentioned in the reunion chat the other day*Mischeivious grin*,Fleur is quite simply the most incredible person that I have ever met,I completely and utterly adore her(If you guys are wondering where Fleur is,uni has started up again and her timetable is quite hectic,I'm sure that she will try and stop by when she has some free time)

Green Baron:<>Wish I could give you some but we spent all our time chating,kissing and generally being close :)

SOROW:I'm glad that you got the email I sent :)

newcommers:Welcome!,I hope you will like it here:)

The Poll:I've always wanted to know what being a Gargoyle would be like.:)

C'yas later!!*Wraps Fleur up in a passionate kiss and holds her close*

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, February 28, 2000 07:12:52 AM
IP: exip-t-005-p-206-93.tmns.net.au

For all the would be world conquorers.

http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/sutphen/brainwsh.html

By the way, I get the Shetland Islands and the Hebride Islands. No negotiations about it. They are mine and you Keep Your Hands Off!!��

Auntie Starsinger
Anonymous
Monday, February 28, 2000 06:01:57 AM
IP: proxy-353.public.rwc.webtv.net

Greetings to everyone,I'm here again.I hoped I could do it in the Top Ten,but the room was cleared as in Italy was late night and I was sleeping (@#*��&%).Oh,well,I'll try again.

Poll:>Well,seems I put Kitainia in the wrong category,so I have to correct:

10 Gargoyles
8 Battlesuits
5 Mutates
2 Cyborgs

Kitainia:>Well,I accept your choice (it is dangerously similar to a Gargoyle-that-does-not-turn-in-stone,but at least you accept the idea of some disadvantages).You don't specify what would be the disadvantage,so I'll choose for you...hmm...what about a slight form of incontinence?;).
The battlesuit too cumbersone?It depends,I think.Of course,I'd not like something 3-tons weight,but a light,fast battlesuit...I agree with you about cyberware and genetics-I don't like the idea.(I didn'consider the "Pleeeze,let me take a ride on that battlesuit of yours" problem...well,you always have to face some disadvantages,isn't it?)
I'm glad to see someone else appreciate the story between Brook & Sata.I'm sure it will continue in the third season-it MUST continue.I mean,I just finished reading "Crossroads part 2",I've just seen a Heart-broken Brooklyn leaving a crying,suffering Sata in a remote future in order to save her life and their children's ones.I can't make a comment about it yet-I'm too upset (I alost cried as I was reading-think that my last girlfriend left me 'cause I was "too cerebral,too cool-hearted"!).I can't figure out what I'd do in Brooklyn's situation-I hope I never find out.So,now,I MUST see how it ends;of course,I know that in the end Brookyn,Sata,Ariana and Graeme will return together in present time,but it doesn't matter-"Timedancer"'s stories are so well-written that I always forget it as I'm reading.
I think I have to congratulate with the authors-Keep up the good work!
I heard aout "The Punisher Kills".I'm curious-I've always liked the Punisher.In Italy the novel has not arrived yet,but Marvel Italia (Italian section of Marvel Comics) promised us it will arrive within spring,so I'm waiting.
Do you like "The X-Files"?I liked it since the very first episode and I kept on watching it (although quality has slowly decreased in years).In Italy we've seen the first five seasons-the sixth will begin next week.Please,don't reveal me anything about the future episodes-I wanna be surprised!
Well,Kit,I see I've bored you too long,so I say goodbye until the next time.

Gside:>Thank you for the translation.Matrix-like interface,huh?You mean movie's Matrix ,or Dingo's Matrix?
In the first case,I'd consider it a cyberware,in the second a battlesuit (some sort of it,at least)

Mr Thrugg:>I agree with Kitainia.There's a difference between BNW society and a Gargoyle clan-in BNW there's a single voice-Big Brother's voice.Every other voice counts nothing.In a Gargoyle clan there's a leader,but every single member of the clan has the right to speak,express his own idea and,if it is rejected,know why.It is a very important difference.(I also agree with Kit and Skippy about Afghanistan and Iran)

Peter:>I decided to count your vote in the poll-But,if you want a Gargoyle not turning in stone,you have to accept some disadvantages.:)

Warpmind:>Whew...I'm reliefed to hear Someone took care of the mess I did...it is convenient to know high-ranking friends,isn't it?I swear that,from now on,I'll VERY carefully consider consequences before beginning world-scale operations.;)

Sevarius Jr.:>Hmm...that Hellboy guy of yours sounds cool.I'll surely try to pick up something about it-my trusted comic-book store has always a lot of Dark Horse stuff,so I'm sure I'll find it.BTW,I like Dylan Dog,but my preferred one is Nathan Never (a private agent in a future,Blade Runner reminiscent megalopolis):I've been loving sciene-fiction since I was a child.

Everyone:>For some reason (Mr Disconnect?) I can't access the CR archive,so,if I don't answer someone,probably the reason is I couldn't read his message.Please repost it if you like.Thank you.

Ragga,se vedemu!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, February 28, 2000 05:37:17 AM
IP: h213-18-221.mi2.albacom.net

*Warpmind enters, lugging his chibi family around, as usual.*
Hullo, guys. Finally online again, and now I have two days' worth of comments to wade through. Oh, well...

Shadowrider: Don't worry; I have a few... associates... who can take care of such minor details. *Flashes a small pin with a pyramid and an eye.* We'll fix that one. But do consider the effects of your decisions a bit further next time, eh?

Welcome, Cyborg. And Lessa. Please surrender your sanity for proper storage. In here, you won't need it anyway.

Wilek: Mass telepathic control? Now, that one is so unbelievably obvious, no wonder I missed it... But, please, e-mail me your Master Plan, maybe we can work on the strategies for an accelerated takeover, no? (If you send it encrypted, that'll be fine. Probably better. Winzip w/password, mayhap?)

Gargoyles/dreams: Well, in "Awakenings", Demona said, and I'm not 100% sure these were the precise words, "All the days I've dreamed of this moment." Which would indicate a certain amount of brainwork during stone sleep.

Jewel: Don't kill him, just wing him a little. Wilek, if you please? Got any nice little Trojans lying around? ;)

Archwolf: These yahoos in Northern Ireland that you'd like to deal with... are they the Protestants, the Catholics, or both?

Welcome to you, as well, Hydroholic. Surrender your sanity to the gent with the weird vacuum cleaner, please.

Gside: Alas, I've only seen the Black Knight scene... this situation is intolerable. :(

Kitania: Oh, Knights if Xentar *is* a great game. One of the few H-category games where the actual H-scenes are unnecessary. The game would actually stand on its own feet without the H-scenes. But I'm glad they're there. ;) If you have a question, feel free to ask me. I've completed the game several times (in succession).

**RP**
Warpmind takes a deep breath after the sinister briefing. He then heads out toward the hangar, from which some commotion can be heard.
"Either someone is throwing one heck of a party out there, or we're being invaded again."
Glancing into the massive hangar, and spotting Mecha-Streisand, Warpmind sighs.
"Just my luck. Invasion. Oh, well, seems it's these hollywood schmucks. Now, if they really are demons, my usual tranqs are worthless. Hmmm..."
Warpmind digs through his backpack, finally pulling up something uncommonly large.
"Oh, yes, that's where I put it. Now, that Mecha seems like the biggest concern."
Warpmind leaps through the room, dodging bullets, and diving behind cover next to the Ravens.
"Hi, guys. Miss me? Look, when I fire this BFG, would you please stay out of my FOV? I'll try to take out that Mecha."
The Ravens nod slowly, and Warpmind fires. The massive green sphere hits Mecha Streisand head-on... and nothing happens. One of the demons beside her, however, dissolves. Warpmind stares in awe for a moment, then ducks again.
"Problem. The BFG9000 is a bio-matter dissolving weapon. Mecha Streisand has a completely metallic surface, so this baby won't work on her..."
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, February 28, 2000 03:18:33 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

****BEGIN SHORT RP!!!****
"Hey! Tom Hanks! I thought you were great in The Green Mile. Can I have you autograph?" Jaden yells at the top of his voice, but quickly dives for cover to avoid being turned into a furcoat by laser fire. "Is that a 'no'?"
"Jaden, will you get serious before you get one of us killed!" Shouts Stephanie.
****END RP!!!****

Hey I just finished watching the beginning to 10th Kingdom on NBC. It's really good, after it's over I'm going to read the book to see how different it is. BTW don't let anyone tell you that California weather is always nice and sunny. Most of the time it's a mixture of all four seasons. Today it was sunny, rainy, warm, cold, windy, and still, but not all at the same time of course. Wow we seem to be getting a lot of new blood this week.

Sorow- The thought of a Gargoyle feeling him/herself being smashed is a chilling thought, I would prefer not feeling it.

Anne><> That's good, it's a little weird (not a bad thing to me) so I would recommend reading the books when you won't be interupted. I only dislike two things about the series. 1) The books had endings. 2) I can't read them for the first time again.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 28, 2000 03:02:00 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

**RP HERE**

The Black Ravens enter the Avatar of Ganon's hangar and finish loading the Onslaught with their gear just as a loud BAMF goes off and intense sonic vibrations of cheesy Japanese music start thrumming throughout the area. "Oh great," Jammer mumbles. "What's infiltrated this place now?" "Uh, them, maybe?" Stephanie asks, pointing to a group of ten individuals approaching the party with weapons in hand, triangles circling them, and maniacal laughter on their lips. "Uh, let's see," Tricia frowns. "Tom Hanks, Barbara Streisand, Rob Reiner, a bunch of other celebrities...Hey, these guys are the Hollywood Ten people Reverend Atilla was talking about!" "And they're our enemy," Kit declares in the next instant, drawing her rocket launcher and taking aim. The other Ravens look at each other and the approaching celebrities nervously, then shrug and draw their weapons as well. "Guess we won't need to look for information on these guys after all," Keith mutters as he gets into a fighting stance. "Yeah," nods Doug. "Let's take care of them right now. Asil can wait till afterwards." Lathrop nods and then starts releasing his prepared magical shielding spells while Orion and Shap release prayers to assist the party in their defense and attacks. Mist meanwhile hisses loudly at the Hollywood Ten, Gubio shakes his head in worry over yet another battle, and the others sigh and cock their guns. The celebrities keep walking forward, stopping only when Hanks realizes the Ravens are facing them and calls for a halt. "You guys must be our enemies," he declares. "Yep," nods Shauna. "How long did it take you to guess?" The Ten look at each other. "Never mind!" Barbara Streisand shouts, going into full Mech form and growing to the largest size the hangar will accomodate. "I'll crush you all like bugs!" "The Onslaught, Gubio!" Doug shouts back as she and the others start firing lasers at the Ravens and bolts bounce off Lathrop's shielding. "Now!" Tom and Gubio nod and both run for the cab of the Ravens' truck as the rest of the group scatters, trying their best to avoid the fire of and shoot back at the Hollywood Ten.

**PAUSE RP FOR NOW**

Greetings, CR dwellers. <bows> You all have a good weekend? <looks around> Hmm, none of you have indicated one way or the other. I'll just assume you did. <shrugs> Doug and I had an okay one, mostly spent in relaxation (which we needed and hope we'll get more of soon). Saw a good movie too (Doug reviewed it yesterday), and thought of seeing another possibly good one (Wonder Boys), but decided against it after much deliberation over our current finances. <sighs> If anyone else saw it and could give a review for us (the local critics already have, but Doug and I don't trust them as much as we do our friends in here), it'd be appreciated. Now I guess it's on with replies.

Garg Tolerance: Not sure what I want to say about this. I do agree somewhat with all Shadowrider, Bengali, Kaioto, Cyborg, and Jaden have said on the subject, and of course personally hope that we could accept gargoyles. Wouldn't happen at first, I know, but one can pray. :) Of course, even with prayer, a lot of the world's wackos and idiots would never accept gargoyles no matter what they did to encourage it and promote their goodness. <sighs> I think they (especially the more influential of them) will definitely be the main problem with any garg fight for citizenship and their rightful place in this world. Much more so than the mass of humanity, who (I like to think) would be tolerant, understanding, intelligent, etc., enough to see gargs as worthy of a place in this world. Of course, what that place would be in relation to human laws, governments, religions, customs, people, etc., I don't even want to begin thinking about right now. :(

Shadowrider: <nods> I've really liked the Brooklyn&Sata emotional development in Timedancer too. Hope it continues into the next season (and I'm of course sure it will). Thanks for responding to my earlier reply, and you're welcome about the RP rules. :) In response to your question, I know Doug said put me down for Garg, but I'd actually prefer mutant instead- human/garg style. I'd keep my basic human form but add batlike wings on the back with gliding capability, retractable claws in the hands, change the feet to have Garg-style arched structure (with all the built-in kicking and takeoff power), and put enhanced articulation in all joints. A garglike prehensile tail and Garg-style glowing red eyes would also be tres cool. :) So I'd be a mutant, but a gargoyle-like one. No turning to stone in daytime (the reason I'm unwilling to go with straight garg); I'd probably replace it with a healing factor, not sure what my accompanying disadvantage would be. Chose that because it enhances my natural abilities without sacrificing anything about my body I like (just making it cooler, in fact :). The battlesuit would also be nice but too cumbersome (plus I'd have to deal with friends always asking if they could try on the thing :), and it will be a cold day in the warmer parts of Hell before I let people go messing with my own body to put mechanical artificial enhancements of any kind. I value myself too much for that. :)

Jenna: Thanks for the fic info, it made some things in your story a bit more understandable. No less good, of course. :) Again, keep up the good work. I hope to soon have the time to read more of it. Hope any interviews you've had recently turned out well.

SOROW: Thanks for the event synopsis. Sounds like you had a real blast, the type of which I have not enjoyed in quite a while. :( Oh well, better times are surely ahead. Especially with good friends like you.

Warpmind, Gside: I know Doug has said this already, but thanks for the help in getting Knights of Xentar last week. We've been playing it a bit lately, haven't gotten far, but I have been enjoying it more than I thought I would. The opening scenes and Desmond are hilarious, if the rest of the game's like that I can hardly wait. :) Story's formulaic but also good, I'm willing to keep it progressing. Hope the battle scenes, whenever we get to them, measure up to the quality of the general animation. If the heroine has an interesting and developed personality in addition to good looks (the hero already does IMO), this might actually be a good game worthy of remembrance. :)

Kaioto: Glad to hear you got your computer back, and congratulations. That good Samaritan who helped was very nice, I hope you at least found out his name. :) You're right that the world could definitely use a lot more people like him, I hope his influence and that of the others' is at least doing a bit to create more every day. :) And the rewards of the few that exist are somewhat worth the existence of all the people not like them. <sighs>

Christine: Sorry to hear you've been turned down again, this time the agent really needs a stern talking-to (at least, their attitude towards you is lower than I thought their kind of slime could go). Good luck getting the book published anyway and having it enjoyed by those who value your true worth. Thanks for posting those tidbits of it in the Reunion fanfic chat Friday, I'm very much looking forward to reading it after seeing them. :) BTW, good job on Avalon Mists. Please convey my congrats to Noel and the other artists on their excellent pics and to Micheal Heitz on his once-again well-drawn and hilarious cartoons. The Oberon ones (my favorites) have gone into my scrapbook.

Comic Books: So Cyclops has been killed off in X-Men, huh? I applaud that, kinda. Never really liked the guy and at least now he and Jean (who should still be dead too of course) can enjoy a better life wherever they are. :) For as long as the situation lasts of course. I stopped reading X-Men a long time ago because it got too stagnant and confusing, it's a bit disconcerting to see it's still that way. :( Most comics these days are the same, IMO, and some, like Witchblade, start out that way from issue one, remaining soap opera eye candy and little more. Only ones I still even pay attention to are KODT and Dork Tower (for the laughs as well as the characters), and Buffy (which has almost the same level of good story as the show does and is therefore worth reading). Also caught the first issue of the new Punisher and enjoyed it, mostly because Garth Ennis has captured the character exactly the way he should be IMO. Hope he keeps up the good work. (BTW, any comics fans in here who haven't already should definitely pick up The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe graphic novel Ennis put out recently. I read it and have never felt so utterly gratified and entertained by a comic in my life. Pity it had to happen in a parallel world. :)

Anne: Sorry to hear about your local comic store closing. <sighs> I too value mine for the entertainment it provides and thank God every day that they're currently in good financial condition. Pray they remain such too. :)

SJ: Welcome back. I never doubted you'd return personally. :) Thanks for all the media info. I'm not much looking forward to the Witchblade movie (not even gonna watch it probably since Doug and I don't have cable, but the fact that it's even getting made...) or the Superman-Matrix deal (Doug already aired my opinion of Hollywood carrying this trend too far, and IMO Superman and Matrix definitely should not mix). Wes Bentley as Lestat I'm adopting a Wait-and-See stance on, I like the actor but can't really envision him in the role. :( Am looking forward to the Matrix very much of course, and the new Buffy & Angel seasons also. I think you're right on the money about that MultiMillionaire jerk couple (<sighs> how long is their fame time gonna take to end?).

Katara: Thanks to you for the nephew info. It sounds to me like your sister and her family have a fighting chance too. I hope it is taken, and wish them the best of luck. :)

Welcome back to Peter as well (briefly). <sighs> Hope you are able to return again soon. Same goes for Deuce, Fleur, Jackal, and all our other absent friends.

**WARNING- SPOILERS FOR WEEKEND MEDIA**

Caught Max Steel yesterday morning and enjoyed it pretty much. Greg did good writing for the genre and the characters were well-developed and voiced. The villains were all interesting, especially the last one (good to have another Xanatos type around, wonder if he's going to turn out Director-ish too :). L'Entrange and Mr. Cyborg Man (not sure of his real name yet) also made good goons. As for the good guys, I liked seeing them mostly but would have liked to get an Origin episode before the one we had to explain more about their relationships, development, the hero's powers, and what their organization does. Not having one weakened the plot and made things a little too generic IMO. :( Hope some flashbacks/fillers are ahead to help fix the blanks. As for the animation, I thought it was pretty good, though of course not the best I've seen in 3d. Overall, I have a feeling the series will unfortunately last :(, but I have resolved to see the good in it and enjoy it while it does. Even though I can see what the detractors of it in here are talking about. <sighs>

Pretty good X-Files tonight, I liked the videogame and all the ideas surrounding it. The programmers who made it were interesting characters I wouldn't mind seeing again someday and whose development I liked. :) Good development on Mulder and Scully as well, and the Lone Gunmen. I especially enjoyed Scully's attitude towards the game and how it developed, I could completely understand it having held a similar attitude many times myself despite my enjoyance of first person shooters. :) The moment when she actually played the game and kicked ass was also nice to see, especially in terms of the Lone Gunmen's reaction. Only things I didn't like about this ep were that the villain's origin was a bit too familiar, and the ending was too abrupt and unresolving (I thought that with such a great plot early on we should have gotten something better than just a little Mulder "what-we-did" speech at the end, but no). Otherwise, this was the best ep I've seen in a while. Doubt Chris Carter will continue and/or improve the quality, but I do hope. :) Simpsons was boring as usual, though it was satisfying to see Duffman get creamed like he did. The ending of it reminded me of something too many Simpsons episodes have been doing these days- making no sense in terms of character, plot, etc. I pray that trend reverses soon. Futu-rama was somewhat enjoyable, I liked the Bender and Leela development. Otherwise, it stunk majorly IMO. The robot fight plot was dumb as hell, and the promoters for it as well as Leela's alien excuse for a sensei recieve my award for most despicably stereotypical and stupid TV villains of the year. The sensei especially- If the sensei who taught me to fight (who was not like that at all of course, thank God) had expressed the same attitude towards me he did to Leela he would not have had long to live in a way other than hooked up to several monitors and IVs. And of course would never teach again once I was done. Especially since everyone would see how he lived by the will of the egotistical cowardly asshole scum. :)

**SPOILERS END**

Wilek: Weird Democrat thing. And yet almost believable. <mutters> Politics are almost dreadful and confusing enough to be demonic. L Not sure how I want them to turn out this year, though Doug and I know we'll be voting Republican (the fact that we like Bush better for his stance on the issues and McCain better for what kind of person he is happens to currently be driving us to indecision :).

Mr. Thrugg: I've read Brave New World, and can see how you think it's somewhat like a Gargoyle clan. IMO, though, a Garg clan is very far from BNW society. Why? Because the members of one generally treat each other with love, caring, emotion, whatever, and the members of society in BNW weren't like that much. Also, they didn't treat each other as individuals, and most Gargoyle clans would and do treat their members that way IMO. Individuality exists among them too, in large doses. So no, I don't think a Garg clan should be built on BNW standards, it would not only be unfair to the characters and great thing that is Gargoyles, it'd be way unrealistic and wrong. Skippy has already given my views on making that kind of society in this world in general, I don't feel like expanding on what he said right now. (Thanks Skippy for posting the info, I agree with you about the Taliban and Iran. Am currently cheering on the ones helping the latter country progress out of its black hole, and hope that Afghanistan soon somehow follows. If I could do something to help it, I would. :)

Spike: Thanks for the great time the Reunion was, when I attended it briefly. :) Glad my choices for best pics won the art contest, thanks for posting its results.

Jewel: That guy you mentioned is definitely a jerk who deserves to be kicked out of the fandom. You ask us to boycott him, I definitely will. :) If you want to do other forms of revenge on him, I'm not sure I can help as much, but Gubio does have a few programs we can have him put on the guy's website if you want (provided he has one of course). They should get him off the Internet for two months at least. :) You might not want to do that, I know. <grins> Whatever happens, good luck handling the situation appropriately and I hope it ends soon and you're able to get back to your good work. :)

And I guess that's all for now. Good thing, too. I'm feeling tired and have to get up early tomorrow for school. <sighs> Night all!

**MORE RP HERE**

"Kill them!" Rob Reiner yells at the Hollywood Ten even though he doesn't need to. "They're the Black Ravens! Master Ted said they could be among his worse enemies! Take them down!" His eye fizzles as he grows more and more insane. "That guy is messed up," Doug mutters, ducking behind a stack of boxes to avoid gunfire once again. "Aren't they all that way?" Kit asks him. Doug nods in agreement. "Yeah, and unfortunately they have us pinned down. Hope we can get out of this situation soon." "Yeah," Kit agrees, sighing as she tries to take a shot of opportunity but is forced to duck before she can succeed thanks to the Ten's pacing their fire. Around the hangar, all the other Ravens are in the same situation even though they outnumber the enemy, mostly thanks to all the weapons springing up over Mech-Streisand's body and their volume of shots. The Onslaught will probably be able to take her on in giant robot soldier mode, but it is only beginning to detach from its trailer and transform. "If help doesn't come soon for us," Gubio reflects on the situation inside the cab as he quickly creates a special program on his laptop, "this could be one hell of a long battle." Continuing laser blasts from outside punctuate his words, showing no signs of letting up. (Note to Green Baron- hope we're not disrupting any of your plans by starting the fight with the Ten now. Doug and I just couldn't see any other way to move things ahead for our side. Looking forward to your characters' participation in the battle. If you can, please post another listing of who the Hollywood Ten are, there was a list in last week's CR but as you know it got lost. :( Also, if possible, could you please let us kill Streisand? Gubio and Tom have something they want to do to her that will include a South Park reference. You're welcome to do whatever you like with her before her death of course, and do whatever you want to with the rest (though we would like to at least help a little with the killing of them :).)

**END RP FOR NOW**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, February 28, 2000 02:07:25 AM
IP: pool-209-138-213-150.dlls.grid.net

Skippy> Apologies about mis-remembering your reference.

Shadowrider> <<I think that if your electro-mechanical upgrade CANNOT be removed by yourself,completely,without medical assistance,in a short
time,in almost any moment,without physical or psychic suffering,leaving you the same person you used to be before upgrading yourself (no more,no less),then it has to be considered Cyberware>>: I was thinking along the lines of a Matrix-type interface (maybe smaller, but still the same idea).
Oh, and na zdorov'ya is a classic Ukranian toast meaning best of health

Wilek> <<psycho haX0r friend>>: Sorry, but I haven't gotten to that point yet...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, February 28, 2000 12:45:29 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Mr.Thrugg> I've read BNW, I wouldn't say that it suggests such a society is unnatural, but the act of changing a society into one (or large scale social enginerring in general) is unnatural. I'd tend to agree, we have more than a few examples of social order being established from on high and it creating disaster. The present Talaban regime in Afganistan is a good example from today. They forced massive social changes (especially on women) pretty much overnight and are practicly engaging in slow genocide against the women of that country.

Any society in which some social engineer decides how everything is going to work; be it extreme religious leader, right wing facist, or high minded scientist, is almost sure to be doomed to fail in the long run. Early sucess often leads to egotistical belief they can transform the world (like Hitler) or ultimately the secular influences in the world gain momentum over fanaticism(such as what is happening in Iran now)

You can force a goverment on people, but you can't really force any kind of social order.
Skippy The Klingon
Monday, February 28, 2000 12:21:11 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-48.ultravision.net

Just a couple things tonight:

For those of you who hated "The Mummy"....for those of you who hate wrestling!......I bring you exciting news!!! Not only is "The Mummy TWO" on the fast track (hey, love it or hate it, the first one did make almost 200 million, and that's just domestically), but word out now is that Universal is offering THE ROCK....yes, you read that right, WWF wrestler The Rock....SECOND BILLING. Do you understand that? He'll be the second lead, next to returning star Brendan Fraser. Word is that his part will be "Han Solo-ish", in that he'll be getting damn near as much screen time as Fraser. My God, I'm all emotional with excitement over this. This is bound to piss people off, but damnit, I wanna see the Rock kick undead zombie mummy ass!
"You see here, Mr. Imhotep...you can take that Book of Death, turn that sumbitch sideways, and stick it right up your bandaged ass! If you smell what the Rock is cooking!!!"

Shadowrider: I would recommend you try to pick up a copy of Hellboy is you could. It's an American comic put out by the Dark Horse publishing company (the same folks who printed the English versions of Dylan Dog and Nathan Never). It's written (as well as created by and often pencilled by) by Mike Mignola. There are actually several miniseries on the character, as well as a couple works of prose.
Here's some basic background info on the character and the theme of the book: Hellboy is, literally, a demon from Hell. The Nazis, in a very bizarre ritual in the mid-40s involving the evil Rasputin (yes, *that* Rasputin), essentially summoned him forth from Hell. He was nothing more than an infant, and the Allied forces "adopted" him and raised him. Therefore, instead of becoming some inhuman engine of Nazi death, he wound up being a pretty cool hero who spends his time allied with other supernatural heroes (such as Abe Sapien, a half-human, half-fish) working to take down monsters and such. The various stories are, IMO, all very well done, being high on action and suspense, and most importantly, horror. ;) They are reminiscient of the old pulp fiction stories you would see in "Amazing Stories" back in the forties and fifties, but they are very violent and dark. Picture Lovecraft meets Indiana Jones meets Evil Dead. I highly recommend them, especially if you like Dylan Dog. I don't know if a local comic store near you would carry them, but you could try looking at Dark Horse's website at www.darkhorse.com. If you want back issues of the various series, another place you could check is www.milehighcomics.com (they sell back issues of virtually everything. Just search for "Hellboy").
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:45:30 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Anyone read Brave New World? It describes a collective society where "everyone belongs to everyone else",basically the society destroys almost any sense of individuality among other things. In a way this somewhat similar to the Scottish clan, The book seems to think that this sort of society is unnatural as does Gargoyles as the clan assumes names and human customs. What do you guys think?

Mr. Thrugg
Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:03:32 PM
IP: pbd0078.urh.uiuc.edu

SOROW> <<Anyone talk to JackaL lately?>> Come to think of it, where is he?! O_o'

Jewel> Small problem> Hm...do you have a psycho haX0r friend who's willing to mailbomb him back to the Stone Age? >:)

Archwolf> <<Intelligent and Fans>> Aren't those two terms simply different words for the same thing? ;)

Hydroholic> Welcome! :D I'm sure you've seen the hand-in-your-sanity directive...Oh, and feel free to ask about anything you haven't figured out. ^_^

Rodlox> <<calcerious {bony} skeletons: lungfish, celocanths, sharks, {all normal}>> Um...I thought their skeletons were cartilage rather than bone (sharks at least)? Or does that matter for the purposes of this discussion?

Oh, BTW, y'all have *GOT* to check out my name link. hehehehe

Anne> <<Wilek, could one of your pets escape and prove us wrong? Curiosity thought. :)>> I'm sure I could engineer something...hehehehahahahahaha <<Yes, where has JackaL been? And Pissy? And Duece? And all of our friends???? O_o>> I don't know about the others, but in Pis' case, RL has been intervening rather severely. That's always annoying, to say the least. :/
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:31:34 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

FIRST TIME I MADE TOP TEN!!! WOOOO!!! Thanks for clearing the board early tonight!
Infinity
Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:25:49 PM
IP: nltc-57-19.nltc.net

Top 5701!

Real post later.
Kitainia
Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:22:32 PM
IP: pool-209-138-161-148.dlls.grid.net

Top Ten!
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:18:28 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Oops, forgot to increment: 7th
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:16:16 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

6th
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:15:10 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Aaron- em me buddy!!
jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:02:41 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-36.hstntx.swbell.net

Top ten!! Top Ten!!!
jenna
Sunday, February 27, 2000 09:58:47 PM
IP: ppp-209-184-83-36.hstntx.swbell.net

Top Ten!
**does like Jannie, picks up Mara and carries her out**
Coyote the Bando
Sunday, February 27, 2000 09:48:14 PM
IP: zzz-209252248166.splitrock.net

Yippee! Top Ten =)

*grabs Denis and runs back out*
Jannie & Denis
Sunday, February 27, 2000 09:45:19 PM
IP: 216-90-185-211.hou.port.mytelco.com

O_O Top ten...
Wilek
Sunday, February 27, 2000 09:39:31 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

curses!, foiled again*snaps fingers*;)
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Sunday, February 27, 2000 09:35:53 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

FIRST!!!:)
Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Sunday, February 27, 2000 09:34:51 PM
IP: melnc01.bigpond.com

Top ten! Ha!
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 27, 2000 09:34:26 PM
IP: ctrts1-11.mrs.umn.edu