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Coyote- the egg sushi is chicken egg, but salom roe and fish eggs are also used- like a topping. If you ever see those little orange beads around a sushi roll or on top, that's the fish egg. It really good- It's one of my goals to learn how to make sushi eventually.


jenna
Sunday, March 19, 2000 07:20:41 PM
IP: cci-tx3b-112.rasserver.net

Coyote! YOu don't like Sushi!!!! Ack, it has to be my most favorite food- ^_^ Not all sushi is raw- there is the shrimp sushi that is very good- where the shrimp is boiled, the fried spider crab sushi that's excellent-- I used to hate sushi too, until I went to a place where it was served really well. Some chefs put washabi- (that's the horseradish) on the roll under the fish for a little extra bite. As I don't care for things super hot- I just didn't like it- and that's not the "kosher" way to make it either- bad pun- yes, I know.

WEll, It's aquired taste I guess.


jenna
Sunday, March 19, 2000 07:17:24 PM
IP: cci-tx3b-112.rasserver.net

**staggers in from a lousy Sunday work day** Argh ... ya wanna know how my day went? It's over. That's how it went.

Niamhgold: I work in retail auto aftermarket ... a fancy term for I'm head counterman at an auto parts store. Main reason why I get called in is mainly because they know I never request days off unless I absolutely *need* them, so they usually call me in when people call in sick on days that others are using as requested off days. Sucks to be me, I know.
Tell the God's truth, it's not exactly a sucking black hole ... *YET.*

SJ: Actually, I'm an oddball because I watch NASCAR to watch the guys *drive,* not crash. True, I get a lift out of crashes, but sometimes they get excessive (case in point, the Bobby Labonte crash at Daytona during the truck race there). Maybe it just comes from my lead foot ... y'know how it goes, you get a big ol' V8 underhood and ya can't help but slam the gas to the floor. :)
(And crashes haven't been limited to the track lately, either ... thus far in the season three *pit crewmen* were hit by their own drivers in incidents at three races. None of 'em were really seriously hurt, but the one at Daytona was kinda scary, he was on the ground and got hit head-on by Tony Stewart ... he used a tire to shield himself and probably saved his life that way.)

Wilek: well, the tech specs were mainly about the safety features of the NASCAR Racers cars (in crashes they fill with flame-retardant foam and separate into two pieces so that the driver can safely get to his pit area), but it still disturbed me.

Fire Storm: Ye refer to the Hyatt in the Somerset Place Mall complex, right? Been to that place, it's nice and has one helluva ballroom. If we could arrange a convention rate for the con goers, that might help to alleviate the price of the hotel.
Egg sushi isn't raw fish eggs, it's scrambled chicken eggs. They cut the scrambled eggs in strips, chill them, then lay 'em on clumps of white rice and wrap 'em in seaweed bands. It's the only one I can tolerate because it's the only type of sushi (to my knowledge) that's *cooked.*
Oh, and I believe that the Hyatt has its own shuttle service, if I'm not mistaken.

Arvid: Welcome, welcome! Leave thy sanity at the door, friend, for thou art amongst the maddest of the madmen here. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, March 19, 2000 06:40:13 PM
IP: zzz-209252248061.splitrock.net

Christine - You forgot about Sybil's show-stoping Talopean Production number!! I think that was the one that started the whole weird musical conversation. O.o

Some how scenes from "Best Little Whorehouse in Thanis" take over my mind. hee hee...
CrzyDemona - [<--- Calhoun and Lyrith (Warning... Trek Content.. beware)]
Sunday, March 19, 2000 04:18:48 PM
IP: 209.150.94.68

New on my site:
Pics -- Amber, by Eva; an illo. from a Trek fic by our own Crzy (from a story she persuaded me to write).
Updated my pic wish list, should any artists be stuck for projects.
Added a photo of my latest project, Godiva Barbie.
Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Mutates > Sevarius seemed pretty into the idea of being the spiritual father of whole breeds of monsters, so it would seem likely to me that he'd make allowances for offspring. I could even see him going so far as to make radically different types compatible, just to see what would happen. Though he'd probably prefer to have most of it happen under laborotory conditions -- a little of this, a dash of that -- borrowing "samples" from whoever or whatever happened to be at hand.

Warpmind > ah, sure, Crzy and I were discussing it just the other day! Arien would have the "wish I could change my life" song (Quasimodo's "Out There," Poca's "Just Around the River Bend," etc.). A Greyquin and Alphonse duet for the comic relief (actually, that one's already in the book!). Solarrin's "I'm so great" villain number ... the Cat and Arien love theme ... it'd be fun! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, March 19, 2000 02:02:05 PM
IP: 04-169.009.popsite.net

On the current hot topic... a worthwhile question is would Maggie and Talon even be able to _have_ children in the first place? Talon's cat DNA comes from a panther, and Maggie's comes from a lion if I'm not mistaken... which are seperate species of cat which can't normally interbreed. So if the mutations have affected their reproductive cells (egg cells & sperm cells), any attempt they make might very well be fruitless. On the other hand... if the mutations are only "skin deep," they would probably be able to have normal human children. Knowing Sevarius, though, that's not a likely scenario... but it's also rather unlikely he had the forethought to create mutates that would be able to reproduce.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:50:05 PM
IP: 98a8bd6c.ipt.aol.com

Mr Jensen: i agree that Maggie and Talon's children would not be true gargoyles. however, i was being semi-sarcastic with the person who defined "Mutate" as 'alteration of genetic materials in body,' or something like that.

. a name i don't know if it will pass for Maggie's kin and descendants would be _Felichiroptera_, the _cat wings_.

{bad humor?}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:02:44 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Shadowrider> "The Mummy" is a great movie with Brendan Fraser set in Egyptian times. I guess they might not have it in Italy. I bet you could find a really good site on the net to tell you more about it.

Warp> You're an easy target ;) I'm just kidding.
SOROW
Sunday, March 19, 2000 11:23:31 AM
IP: dll2a020-1117.splitrock.net

Todd: You say I'm the first to have noticed? I find this highly suspicious... of course, having read the original... uh, oops, shouldn't have said that... ;)

Jenna: Amusing. And cool, that story of yours. :)

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, March 19, 2000 10:30:44 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Denis-- HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Doug- I agree with Warp regarding the fluxation of stars on your fics. Don't worry to much about it- I haven't had the chance to read it myself- but I'll take a look and em you if you want.
jenna
Sunday, March 19, 2000 08:59:14 AM
IP: 1cust10.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net

Quick little story here-- on my brother's computer

Mike and I recently made myself my first gargoyle t-shirt, via printing up a pic on the internet and then using an iron on-- remeber the deliah pic I was looking for- well that's the pic we used.

Anyway, we traveled down from Houston to Corpus in the early morning, and stopped at a gas station. I was wearing my Deliah shirt.

It was pretty deserted- and sometimes when you go to these nowhere gas stations, the personal arent the friendliest...

But when the gal who was there saw my Deliah T she lit up-- "Is that gargoyle? I love that show!"

Very very cool. ^_^
jenna
Sunday, March 19, 2000 08:57:02 AM
IP: 1cust10.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net

WARPMIND - Congratulations! You actually noticed the Necronomicon reference I included in "The Adopted"! And yep, it was deliberate.

(I rather like Lovecraft, but subtle references to him in TGS are about as far as I'll go. Because in terms of atmosphere, I feel that the Gargoyles Universe and the Lovecraftian Universe are very different; the latter is much bleaker and gloomier in tone, with a feeling of humans and Earth as being of no true significance in the larger scale of things. Not very appropriate for "Gargoyles").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, March 19, 2000 08:40:00 AM
IP: 216.87.46.113.dialup-stl.primary.net

*Warpmind enters.*

Sorow: Why crack rotten eggs over my head? Wilek made more egg jokes. ;)

Christine: A Disney-esque musical? Maybe we ought to dare you to do that. ;) On the other hand... I don't know if I'd dare to see the result. ;) Of course, the South Park movie has been categorized as that, too, so...

By the way, I recall someone mentioning something about Cthulhu in TGS Dark Ages, and how Lovecraft might have taken those demons as a basis for Great Cthulhu in his books... I seem to recall the Archmage's adversary, the Lord Sorcerer (or was it the Sorcerer Lord?) having the Kitab-Al-Azif on his bookshelf... Yet another Lovecraft referrence. :) Something fishy *is* going on there...

Niahmgold: Waitasecond, this Lent sacrifice thing... the sacrifice is valid only for the period of Lent? Hmmm... you know, that *would* make more sense, since Christ obviously must have been eating afterwards...

Doug: I haven't been lax with the RP out of choice, but out of necessity. I've been sort of preoccupied with school-related work, and have had no time to think up new RP segments. :( In fact, I've decided to make a small segment this post.

Doug again: Yeah, that cop seems to have mellowed out fast, since there is just about zero drug abuse in this area. And besides, he'd been in the toughest zone for three years, he had a right to be a bit edgy.

Wilek: Appreciated. The Grandmaster actually spoke to me today, and smiled. But I assure you, I had to think *fast* to explain who you are... I think he bought it. And the Sea of Tranquility is correct. "Stillhetens Hav"; there are so many ways to translate that into English... :)

Oh, and Denis? Happy birthday! :)

Doug: The people who graded your story low may be just someone in a foul mood. I noticed the same disturbing thing with my latest fic, as well as Cat's latest fic in the archive. One day, they had five stars, the next day they were both down to one... either a server problem, or someone out with a bloodthirst...

Gside: I really typed "Savid"? And yes, we use QWERTY. As for the Sea of tranquility, well, I didn't know the Latin name, just the Norwegian, and went ad lib on it. As for what I hope to find on the moon, well, I suspect there *might* be a supply of Dilithium, possibly even Trilithium...

Fire Storm: Yeah, well, if you do come to get some water here, make sure you don't accidentally suck in some frozen seamen while you're at it. ;)

Arvid Rydahl: Yo, man. As a representative of the Norwegian Gargoyles Fandom (the only one? Not unlikely), I have been in your position. I do have six four-hour tapes, so if you send me an e-mail, we might be able to work something out, no?

**RP**
Warpmind rushes into his quarters and starts digging through his backpack. A lot of stash is carelessly thrown on the floor for now, other items are placed carefully on the table. Warpmind begins to assemble some strange device, which appears to be a large still.
"The Quencher is here. Now, as soon as this poison is prperly distilled, I must find the Quencher in secret, and inject her with it."
After a short while, a small lamp lights up underneath a vial of some phosphorescent, red liquid. Warpmind graps the vial, and pours it into the tranq-darts in his handgun.
"And now, to find that bitch, and make her pay for Janne..."
Heading for the door, Warpmind suddenly slumps to the floor, crying.
"Janne..."
*END RP**

Later, compadres.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, March 19, 2000 08:27:29 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

*Glares at the unwanted double coment*
Arvid
Sunday, March 19, 2000 07:54:50 AM
IP: t4o66p66.telia.com

Well, I cant Italian.

Btw, those to are cool to
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Arvid
Sunday, March 19, 2000 07:53:57 AM
IP: t4o66p66.telia.com

Well, I cant Italian.
Arvid
Sunday, March 19, 2000 07:53:33 AM
IP: t4o66p66.telia.com

I wouldn't count Talon and Maggie's kids (assuming that they ever have any) as gargoyles, for the simple reason that their parents are not gargoyles. They're humans who were mutated into something roughly similar to gargoyles, but not identical. Sevarius didn't even use gargoyle genes for the mutation, but rather genetic material from big cats, bats, and electric eels. So neither Talon and Maggie nor their hypothetical children will count as gargoyles.

(Of course, their children is a big if anyway. Given the current tendency among humans to fear and hate things that are different from them - something that the Mutates would have seen a lot of thanks to the Quarryman movement - I think that Talon and Maggie would have some qualms about even having kids, for fear that those children could also be "bat-winged electric cats". What sort of life would it be for children in such bodies, having to hide in the Labyrinth for fear of being hunted down by xenophobic humans?)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, March 19, 2000 07:42:53 AM
IP: 216.87.46.113.dialup-stl.primary.net

<Shadowrider enters, hurried>
Greetings! I hope you all had a great weekend!

Rodlox:> Why this conversation should carry out of control? It is interesting, instead. About your point...you're not wrong. Well, a mutate is someone with his DNA somehow altered (possibly by artificial means). So Maggie and Talon's children? Well, they're not mutates, for sure...their DNA has not been altered...but they're not Gargoyles...maybe they'd be the first ones of a new kind. (Remember, my points are not proofed-I'm an Eng. student, and biology for me is terra incognita) ;) .

Niamhgold:> Well, thank you! :) Of course, I'm gonna mail my story to you as soon as I'll complete it!

Doug:> Well, after my last comment I have pondered a little about Sata and Brooklyn. Well, do you remember what I said about Brooklyn last week, the fact he has to hide his pain and feelings behind a mask and he has noone to share them? Well, Sata's contribution is simple: she is the first one who has made an effort to see beyond the mask. At first, as they met, she, like others, was fooled by Brooklyn's appearance (she believed him one of the Tengu and tried to kill him), but then she was able, maybe the first one ever, to see Brooklyn's soul. His role in Brooklyn's life is simple, but great: with her, he needs not to hide himself. She's someone to share eveything with. She will never betray him, will never take advantage from his weaknesses, will never consider him a loser. They are a single being, and it needs no explanation. (I hope I expressed myself in an intelligible way. I know a little English, but I think my knowledge is not enough to discuss high-minded topics. Anyway, if you don't understand anything, please tell me, and I'l try to write it better :))
<<I agree with you that Kit is very pretty, though I hope you will remember she's with someone right now <ducks mock slap from Kit>. :)>> Don't worry, there's a little 12.000 or so Km question between us...;) Anyway, I'd never try to steal a girlfriend to anyone. Mine one was intended as an innocent compliment. Hey, I'm Italian, so I'm supposed to act in a "latin-lover-style" with every single good-looking girl I meet ;) (It is quite boring sometimes...damn clichè).
About Stormy...well,I hope one day she will tell me how her nickname was earned.
P.S. Yesterday night I've begun to read "Elysium", but I was too sleepy, so I've read just a few rows. Seems quite interesting. I'll send you more as I finish it.

Arvid:> Welcome! Hope you'll stay for a while. About your problem...well, a friend of mine has recorded every single episode of the first two seasons...he'd be glad to send you a copy...there's a little problem...it is the Italian version :(.

SOROW:> "The Mummy"? What's that? Is it a fanfic? Where can I find it? Please. tell me! (Please,please,please!)

Wow, I'm late! More later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Sunday, March 19, 2000 05:05:28 AM
IP: h213-16-246.mi2.albacom.net

Hi, I'm a 15 years old swedish boy.
Last summer I went to USA to visit some relatives and I stumbled over this GREAT tv-show, gargolyes.
However, I only saw a hand full of episodes (all of the "awaking" episodes, "city of stone", and that one where Goliath, Elisa, Bronx and Angela gets back from their "world-tour" and a bunch of other episodes.
But, since Gargoyles isnt aired in Sweden, I digged thru all of the larger fan-fic writer's works (Christine Morgan, TGS, Therisa Sinclair, etc) and I'm still hungry for more.
Is any of you out there think you are willing to sell me copies of the whole (or pieces of) the serie?
Please, I'm desperate over here!


By the way, Asrial rules!
Arvid Rydahl a.k.a Atzel - [ardryl91@lrvrk.hudiksvall.se]
Hudiksvall, Sweden
Sunday, March 19, 2000 04:06:20 AM
IP: t4o66p66.telia.com

Warpmind: <You miss water? Here, come and take all you want>
Thanks. With the lakes as low as they are, we may need it!

Coyote: <Now Wings *playoff* tickets ... hmmm ...>
Actually, they usually are for playoff tickets.
<Two words ... egg sushi. It's the only kind of sushi I can tolerate.>
Pardon? Raw fish eggs?
<'ve also been thinking of the list of attractions that the Gathering-goers might be interested in>
Places to go to arn't the problem. It's a hotel. I don't want to host it in downtown detroit, and the hotels I can think of either do not have food within walking distance, or do not have a confrence center.
I mean, we can always go for my mom's hotel, but as far as food locations go, it is worse than Dallas was.
The best place I can think of here in Dearborn is the Hyatt. They have many convention rooms, and it is right across the parking lot from a big mall, AND it is within shooting distance of Greenfield Village.
Only problem is that the rates would probally be over $100 per person.
A few other locations I can think of:
Novi (Great rooms and convention rooms, but few resturant places nearby)
Southfield (Great rooms and convention rooms, but few resturant places nearby)
Detroit (Uh... no)
Dearborn (Few hotels with convention rooms, but a fair amount of resturants)
Livonia... I am not quite sure. I will have to check it out.

Oh yeah... if we do have it here, we are probally going to have to hire a shuttle bus to ferry people from Metro to wherever.
(I mean, what else would they do? Take a cab <G>? Take the subway <G>?)

<why on God's green Earth is it that I'm the only one they call when ANYONE calls in?!>
Because:
1. You are probally the most compotent one there
2. They knew you would come in

SJ: <Or does somebody feel that the discussion of sentient beings, even imaginary sentient beings such as Gargoyles, getting inebriated is horribly offensive?>
Do I detect a hint of scarcasm in your post? :)

Wilek: <No way...and here I thought humanity couldn't get any stupider...>
At least it wasn't for WWF tickets.

Gside: <Then you really need to get those hex values.>
I know... Just waiting of Gorebash for those too.

Toku Kaioto: <I am WELL aware that the Rock is not old enough to hold the office of President of the United States. It is just a satirical little joke with a point to it. ;-)>
Is Jessie "The Body" Ventura really smart enough to be govenor?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, March 19, 2000 02:57:03 AM
IP: t3-79.visitus.net

Just before someone decides to ruin the point of the joke I was trying to make and prove how smart they are ...

I am WELL aware that the Rock is not old enough to hold the office of President of the United States. It is just a satirical little joke with a point to it. ;-)
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Sunday, March 19, 2000 01:49:41 AM
IP: 1cust19.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

SNL: I LOVED this. It has been a long time since someone got a nice beating on SNL. Seeing The Rock, Triple H, “The Big Show” Paul White, and “Cactus Jack” Mick Foley just stomping someone at the end of that stop-smoking skit was just great. But far and away, hearing the Rock singing was impressive. The man can actually sing very well and with good presence. That Elvis edge he can put into a slow song is something I would almost Kill for. I enjoy singing and have done a bit in my time, but when Dwaine sings, he just oozes charisma. *shakes his head* Daaaaang. Famous, rich, in terrific shape, a lovely wife, likes to garden, amicable in public, no substance abuse problems, no criminal past haunting him, AND he can rule the microphone. Some guys got all the luck. ;-)

O.o

I just had the all time most convoluted idea of all time.

Tired of Gore? Bored of Bush? Pouting about McCain?

Vote “The Rock” in 2000.

Imagine what kind of damage ANY political party could do with a candidate like that. O.o Imagine the debates.

**WARNING. Long, useless piece of political/wrestling humor. You’d be better off not wasting precious minutes of your life reading this … **

MODERATOR: Governor Bush, Rock, how would you deal with the looming threat of nuclear war between India and Pakistan?

BUSH: “Well, I’m not quite sure Where India is exactly, but I have a feeling America’s armed forces are more than prepared to deal with a little thing like a nuclear war between Pakistan and India.”

ROCK: “IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW YOU FEEL! The Rock says this. George W. Bush Jr. is as idiotic a Jabroni as he has EVER seen. As for what the Rock would do as President of the United States in such a situation, I tell you what the Rock is would do. He’d take the Prime Minister of India in one of the People’s hands, and the head of Pakistan in another, pick them up by the scuff of their necks and check them into the SMACKDOWN HOTEL. If you smellllllll, what the Rock, is cooking?”

MODERATOR: Vice President Gore, Rock, how do you respond to China’s recent threats of war should Taiwan elect an presidential candidate in favor of asserting Independence?

Gore: “Well, unlike some of the people in this country, myself and my fellow Americans actually BELIEVE in the First Amendment and the right of freedom of expression. I don’t think anyone has the right to censure the Chinese government’s expression of their political views. Who are we, after all, to dictate by what medium they express themselves? I think that by passing a moral judgment on the use of threats and force as expression, we would be betraying the First Amendment.”

GORE: “Besides, my fellow Americans, we all know why the Chinese are truly angry at Taiwan, gun-control. All China is trying to do is keep guns out of schools. Conservative lobbies like the Taiwanese voting population should not be taken seriously when we consider an issue involving the safety of children. While a small number of people like the Taiwanese would hold their freedom to unregulated use of a gun higher than human life, it is obvious that the overwhelming numbers of the people in China understand that strict control is the only way to make schools safe. And isn’t the safety of a child worth any cost?”

GORE: “After all, it is ludicrous to listen to the claims of such people as the Taiwanese who claim that the Chinese kill people. The American people are not so easily fooled. We know the truth: Chinese soldiers don’t kill people. Gun kill people.”

ROCK: **Pops the peoples eyebrow at Al Gore** “If that isn’t the biggest flaming pile of reeking Monkeycrap the Brahma Bull has EVER heard! Let me tell you, Al Gore, what the Rock is going to do. He’s going to take you by your slimy little neck, and he’s going to bend you right over that podium. Then he’s going to get all those donations those Chinese Communists gave to you and the Democratic National Committee. He’s going to get all that money together in $1 bills, and the Rock is going to make a big old crunchy ball out of those dollar bills. Then the Rock is going to get all your little friends in the Chinese government, and he’s going to put them in the ball too. He’s gon’na shine that ball up all nice and pretty, turn that sumbich sideways, and stick it Straight Up – Your CANDY ASS!”

GORE: “But, I would like to reiterate, that I have No Controlling Legal Authority over the words that come out of my mouth.”

ROCK: “Did the Rock give you permission to speak again, Jabroni? ^.0 I. Think. Not. You Do Not - interrupt the People’s Champion when he is addressing … the millions …”

CHORUS: AND MILLIONS!!!!

ROCK: “… And … millions … of the Rock’s fans. Al Gore, the Rock says this: You may talk a good game in front of the camera, yammering and going on about this and that, making no damn sense whatsoever. But when it comes to it, you couldn’t stand up to a Midget wrestler, let alone a national superpower. The Rock has held the WWF World Championship 3 times in his 27 years. The People’s Champion put grown men through steel cages and wooden tables … And now, the Rock is going to lay the Smackdown on your Candyass. That’s right, the Brahma Bull is going to take you into Congress right now and drop the People’s Elbow on you in the middle of the Senate floor.”

ROCK: “The Rock doesn’t care if you have … The Media … in your Corner. The Rock doesn’t care if you have … Bill Clinton … in your corner. The Rock’s been fighting handicap matches all his damn life, and all the partner the Rock has ever needed to win has been …

The People …

GORE: “But … But …”

ROCK: “Know your roll, and shut you damn mouth, Al Gore, and you’ll here the People chanting the Great One’s name.”

CHORUS: “Rocky. Rocky. Rocky …”

**End useless piece of brain-rotting pseudo-fun**

Ok … I’ve seriously got to get some sleep if this is all that is running through my head right now …

Doug: BTW, I did post earlier that I’m on hiatus from RP. My character has a bad tendency to disappear and then show up when unexpected anyway. Just wait and watch. I’ll be back …

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Sunday, March 19, 2000 01:42:53 AM
IP: 1cust19.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Just came in to say that I'm not going to be posting for the next few days and I can explain why in just one word...FINAL!!!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

Gside><<Yeah, like how can you tell if DNA is human by 5 bases or so?>> Um...You know I just don't know.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 19, 2000 01:37:43 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Sev. Jr> <<it's a misconception that cops cause more trouble than criminals>>: I didn't explain myself very well. I meant that pretty much by definition, getting in trouble means getting caught, so without police, everyone would be out of trouble (of legitamate authority).
<<You know that there are actually scholars who know and speak that Elf language fluently>>: That's because Tolkien spent so much time reverse deriving his language so it would make linguistic and phonological sense.

Cyborg> <<his hammer would go from being electrified to being iron>>: Why not do both?

Toku Kai> <<Practicing Italian>>: Hey, the Irish may get corned beef, but you get pizza gaina (spelling?). That is Good Stuff. (My father claims he should have been born Italian, but he made up for it with a lot of such friends)
dichotomies: This is rather a tangent, but, I rather like finding symmetry, opposites, and generally patterns in the world (even though I can prove the universe is fundamentally assymetric). And of course, the true power in the human brain is its pattern finding abilities.

Fire Storm & Lady Mystic> <<(The better to choose what ...color to post with>>: Then you really need to get those hex values.
Images> Apologies to JLA, but the picture of Lapin keeps on annoying me. It's the clarinet, it's just not shaped right. It starts widening too early, the hadns are wrong, the mouthpiece (the wrong color unless it's metal) is soped the wrong way, and there are no keys there. (Again, I'm sorry, but my mother is a clarinet...)

Ginjack> It is now time for the Canadian pair: Joplin's Maple Leaf Rag and Stan Rogers's Northwest Passage (A capella, mmm). (Note to self: Superman and Sun are left).
Firestorm> If you can't recover your data, I could AIM or ICQ you what you want. Let me know if worst comes to worst.

Wilek> <<difluoric acid>>: Eh, you should have gone for plain hydrofluoric acid: the burns never heal.
<<pop my last rivet>>: That is always fun. I suggest doing it often.
<<it's a kewl language, more so than most "real" languages>>: I don't know, French, Spanish, and such are good for getting the girls. Latin has a nice classical touch. German and orhter "barbaric" languages are good for scaring the people around you (and make great opera, chorales: Beethoven's 9th, Finale, mmm). And of course you need Japanese to get the true effect of the good RPGs and anime.
<<I know pretty much nothing about it>>: Then go watch the movie, and read "Losing the Light" (by Gilliam) about the making of Munchausen.
<<Radio waves propagate at the speed of light if I'm not mistaken>>: True, but I think he was talking about bitrate.
<<replace them with ppl with more than eight functioning cranial neurons>>: What do you call a violist with two brain cells? Pregnant.
<<watch for flying attack porcupines>>: Foxtrot, right?

Warpmind> <<Savid Bowie>>: Odd question, but are Norwegean keyboards qwerty?
<<Ocean of Serenity>>: Usually they're in latin, and are often called seas (mare).
<<find some very interesting materials there>>: Ooh, monopoles?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, March 19, 2000 01:10:59 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Two other things I forgot

SJ: I understand, and am sorry. Sent you an e-mail that goes into further detail, hope you get it. Please let me know if you don't.

Fanfic Question: I've noticed at the GFW archive that my latest story "Elysium" has only gotten three stars from people when my stories usually end up with four or five. If the people who rated the story this low are lurking in here, can you please send me some e-mail telling me what I've done wrong? I want to correct my writing mistakes and if people don't tell me about them, if they just give my stories meaningless-on-the-surface ratings instead and expect that to be enough... well, it's hard to correct one's mistakes if one doesn't know them, right? People, please, don't be afraid to criticize and don't just take the easy way out provided by that star system. Please send me something telling me what your problems with my stories are. I promise, once I learn of your problems, I will try my best to make them go away. (Provided they're reasonable concerns of course and this isn't just some haters of my fanfics picking on me. I really wouldn't like that. :)
Doug
Sunday, March 19, 2000 01:03:08 AM
IP: pool-209-138-60-110.dlls.grid.net

$ Wilek: The plots I meant were mainly SJ's with the demons Sammael, Mephisto and Dyspare, and Warpmind's with the Quencher coming on board the Avatar and Kaioto having to battle her. That second one sounds like a major conflict, but it hasn't been dealt with in over a week, so I posted a reminder. :) For you, there are no real big plots that your characters have been involved in right now (and haven't been for a long time, come to think of it), so you don't really need to commit that much. However, Kit and I have missed your posts and characters, which were entertaining in their time and can surely be again. :) Please, if you want to, don't be afraid of disrupting other people's plans, or at least don't be afraid of disrupting Kit's and mine. Traveler used to do such things all the time and we never got that mad at him, did we? :) Plus, dealing with entertaining disruptions is part of the fun of the RP. :) Some suggestions that should easily come to mind for getting your characters involved again- 1. Have Solomon Brand's agents be dealing with the earthquakes, fires, and gang warfare going on in LA right now. The Ravens are coming to help with it, but someone has to hold down the fort. Kit and I also need more info on what Brand's agents can do and their personalities and this would be a good way to give us that. (Griffex and Mewthree are with the Ravens right now, but the rest must be doing something too, right). 2. I just had you, Miriam, and Khesaat start exploring the Quencher's spacecraft. You love talking about Hell and Demons, this is a demon's spaceship, who knows what you might find on board. :) I'm sure you can think up other things to do. You don't have to, of course, but I hope you will. :) $

GXB: No thanks, I'll just watch the show and hope he comes back. :)

Theresa: Welcome back, and sorry to hear about the power outage. Glad it's over now.

Congratulations Todd on winning the Arthurian Survivors Contest! Hope you win a good prize, man. :)

SOROW: You're welcome.

Talk to y'all later.
Doug
Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:55:23 AM
IP: pool-209-138-60-110.dlls.grid.net

Denis>Happy Birthday!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:43:50 AM
IP: spider-ti064.proxy.aol.com

<Wilek looks at his last post> Wha...? O_O I tried to post that last night and it wouldn't go through; I gave up in disgust and came back tonight to try again... WTF??!!! :O Oh well, at least it'll be easier to catch up tonight...

Fire Storm> <<Forgot to mention WHY they did it... for Red Wing Hockey tickets.>> :O No way...and here I thought humanity couldn't get any stupider...

Denis> Happy birthday! ^_^

Warpmind> <<you didn't get my base, and all is going well. A favor to ask: send me those papers? If I can show them to the Grandmaster, he might be willing to forget the Dishrag Affair, too...>> The full report has been uploaded directly to the GM's desktop console, from your account. Probably you should expect a raise soon. Xothi hacking technology is a thing of beauty. ;) <<By the way, if you find the base in the Ocean of Serenity (or whatever it's called in English, it's that big crater on the moon), don't destroy it, 'kay? I suspect we may find some very interesting materials there. And the final reports can be extraordinarily beneficial to the Nereus Project, too>> The Sea Of Tranquility? (I like the Norwegian name better...) Fascinating...I'll make sure to leave it intact. :)

Coyote> <<Seems my store gets a magazine for auto aftermarket professionals called "Counterman," which occasionally has a bonus insert, a magazine-let if you will, called "NASCAR Garage." **shudder** NASCAR Garage did a two-page spread about NASCAR Racers ... which included a sidebar with *way-too-detailed tech specs about the cars.*>> Quoi...?! O_o Now, I am a complete sci-fi tech psycho, but even I can't make any sense of this--what are fictional specs doing in what appears to be a nonfiction magazine? Shouldn't this be in some comic book or something?

Doug> $<<this bit is a reminder to Wilek, SJ, Kaioto, and Warpmind, who (no offense intended by this btw, we understand that you may not have had time) have been a bit absent from the RP of late. Please guys, don't let the plots you started remain stagnant and inconclusive.>> No offense taken; I simply haven't been a part of it lately because I can't think of anything to do that wouldn't disrupt whatever plans y'all have. :) (BTW, which exactly plots are you referring to? I'm kind of scatterbrained when it comes to remembering this kind of long-term thing. :})$ <<Such people are going to be dealt with when the Nereus Project succeeds, right, Wilek?>> Ohh, yes. For the so-called Christian Right (which is neither, from what I've heard), I'm thinking thrown to the lions and/or burned at the stake; either would have the kind of evil irony I so adore. >:)

Starsinger> <<Power went out about 4:45pm. Came on about 7:00. Something blew in the four corners area where power is sent to most of New Mexico. Reports are most of New Mexico and even parts of El Paso Texas to the South of us were out.>> Wow. o_O' Maybe we should all gang up on DC and just kill him over and over. I mean, a *lot* of things have been going wrong lately...

SJ> <<The day my dog actually uses the toilet and flushes instead of squating on the floor--THAT is the day he shall be my equal.>> I hear cats can be toilet trained, although I don't know about flushing... <<Then again, I've never really understood NASCAR to begin with. People just watch it to see someone crash, right? I mean, what other appeal is there?>> Gambling perhaps? ;) (Not that I see the appeal of *that*...) As for crashes, if I want to watch that, I'll go rent Carmageddon or Road Rash or the like, and cause the crashes myself. >;D hehehehe

Gargoyle inebriation> The only one I can imagine offhand is Brooklyn, primarily to drown some sorrow or other. Although Hudson could probably drink the rest of the clan under the table in his younger days. :)
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:33:00 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Shadowrider> The only way I can see Sata getting drunk is via "The Mummy" when Evelyn is overly happy and then passes out. I always liked that scene. :)

Doug> Thank you for the congrats. I had lots of fun, but I missed you guys. So you had a dream similar to mine? Very interesting...

Denis> A birthday?! *writes it on calendar and prepares paddle* Actually, I don't think Jannie is going to allow this one. :) HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Jannie> Just so you won't get mad at me, I give you the very special and rare honor of spanking Denis in my place...just don't have too much fun ;)
SOROW
Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:15:10 AM
IP: dll2a010-0541.splitrock.net

Doug: About the RP...it's not that I don't want to continue in the RP. However, remember that "situation" that I said happened in my life a couple months back? I'm still dealing with repercussions from it, and as such I've had a lot of stress going on in my life. Some days I just haven't had the time to come in here and make any posts, other times I can just skim the room and maybe make a few small or moderately sized posts. So, I'm gonna try and get back into the thick of things in the RP, but could you please be kind enough to email me a brief review of what's been going on for the last couple weeks? Thanks :)

Oh, and I agree about PETA. I don't necessarily think they should be silenced forever, cause even they deserve their 1st amendment rights. And I don't disagree with their message of abolishing animal cruelty. We should make attempts to treat animals better, and I think animal testing for anything other than legitimate medical research should be abolished. However, what truly disturbs me about PETA is that they put animal life above human life, or at least place it on the same level. This "Got Beer" campaign is proof of that. As I'm sure you have probably observed, drinking on campuses is bad enough without some moronic special interest group encouraging it just so, to be vulgar, a few cows don't get sore tits. The folks at PETA need to get some priorities straight. I believe they were behind a measure in California to "emancipate" dogs. I mentioned that in here. This legislature would make it so that pet owners aren't "owners"--implying they own a thing of nature--but rather, pet "guardians" or caretakers. I mean, it's ridiculous, it's placing animals on the same level as humans. The day my dog actually uses the toilet and flushes instead of squating on the floor--THAT is the day he shall be my equal.

Doug, last time: I'm reading a book right now by two former members of the Moral Majority (the predecessor to the Religious Right). They claim that, while Falwell had good intentions to begin with, i.e. getting Christians motivated in politics, the Religious Right has become to obsessed with politics itself than the original purpose of getting involved.

Grendel: I actually just started the book Grendel. I have just one question--when does it pick up? I've read two chapters, and damn am I bored. It's rather interesting to hear things from the monster's perspective, but so far all he's done is wax philosophic about his place in life.

Coyote: Damn, that magazine must be pretty desparate to fill its pages if it's printing specs from the cartoon show. Then again, I've never really understood NASCAR to begin with. People just watch it to see someone crash, right? I mean, what other appeal is there?

Xanatos: I actually got that information off of the AnotherUniverse.com website. They have news page that covers a lot of the latest dealings in movies, tv shows, and comics.

Klingon: Christ, can I not ever come out against something without an uproar? Yeah, Klingon bothers me, cause it's a made up language for a geeky tv show. I'm a big Trek fan, and I'm also a big geek, but to be blunt, I view Klingon as like, the epitome of geekiness. It's just a bit much. Plus it's based on a TV SHOW. I love Gargoyles, but if Greg had devised his own Gargoyle language or something like that, I wouldn't go around speaking it. I wouldn't give it any credibility either. It kind of bothers me that a made up language that owes all of its cultural significance to a tv show gets such credibility and esteem.

Gargoyles drinking: Hey, is it safe to post on this topic? Or does somebody feel that the discussion of sentient beings, even imaginary sentient beings such as Gargoyles, getting inebriated is horribly offensive?

Gotta go. Gotta go watch the Rock lay the smackdown on Saturday Night Live!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:29:34 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Short Post here

Doug-- glad you liked the poems! ^_^

Grendel -- well I plan to do some things on this character- in my first ep of "matters of fate" one of the gargoyles there is called a "son of Grendel" -- and more is revealed in the ep to come up this next week

Regarding mecord's shameless plug-- oooh, I'm hooked.
jenna
Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:14:32 PM
IP: 1cust148.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net

:: A black horse carrying a headless rider enters the CR. The horseman dismounts and grabs a skull from a pouch and places it on his head. The skull becomes flesh again to reveal the face of Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky::

Hi everybody. Went to a comic-con today, and had some fun even though there was a whole lot of stuff I could not afford. I did walk out with a boot-legged video of "Sleepy Hollow", which will not be released for several months. The quality of the tape is wonderful btw.

Doug> Nice weird dream. I've had a few myself. There was one where I was playing chess with Madoc... he won. And I had another that helped inspire my "Gargoyles: The Third Age" series. I can't tell you about it because of spoilers though. Most of my Garg-related dreams though involve Demona, that's all I'll say. As for Tankor/Rhinox, if you want a spoiler about him e-mail me.

SJ> Thanx for the news for Fox Kids. I'll give a couple of them an open-mind. Where did you get this info may I ask?

Oh btw, Todd won the Arthurian survivors contest at ASK GREG. Go view the results.

Now I'd best be going.

::Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky mounts his steed and gallops out of the CR::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 10:21:50 PM
IP: dialin-205-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

DC has been working overtime. Power went out about 4:45pm. Came on about 7:00. Something blew in the four corners area where power is sent to most of New Mexico. Reports are most of New Mexico and even parts of El Paso Texas to the South of us were out. Pity candles can't power internet contacts.

People were still going to Red Lobster where my niece Sandra works and were surprised that they were'nt open. People just don't get the idea that without power there are no lights, no ventilation for the grill, no microwaves no a lot of things.
Starsinger
Saturday, March 18, 2000 09:56:04 PM
IP: proxy-543.public.rwc.webtv.net

**RP ALERT**

On the Avatar of Ganon, Wilek, Miriam, Agent Rho, and several Borg drones are making a survey of the hangar to ensure there are no more enemies hiding in it. Commander Khesaat comes running up to them and bows. "I have a report." "What is it?" Rho asks. "We have just finished searching the entire station," the tiger-alien replies. "Several demons that escaped the earlier battle were found and exterminated. We also unfortunately found no trace of Anton Sevarius Jr., Kari Kanbea Pest, or the demonic imp they were holding prisoner. It has been concluded that they have left the station, as a small Lambda-class shuttle (not the one the Ravens were on that sank) is missing." "This is worrisome," Wilek muses. "Now we may never solve the mystery related to those people unless they come back. What about the Seeker, Kaioto?" "He has also gone missing," Khesaat replies. "He was last seen near the battle with the Hollywood Ten after which he disappeared along with the Realmsfarer. Whatever it is they're doing is unknown, I have the entire security forces on alert for them." Miriam and Wilek nod, then stop as they come upon a huge sinister-looking ship that appears to be made from part
advanced technology, part rotting flesh, and has a stylized goat's head painted on the front sitting in the middle of an unoccupied hangar berth. "I don't remember any of our personnel owning this vessel," Rho frowns. Miriam takes out her communicator and says, "Administrator, I need an identification of the vessel docked in launch bay 666 right now." "My computers show no vessel docked there at this time," the Administrator replies. "Take a look at this," Miriam snaps, showing the Admin the strange ship. The Borg Queen frowns in confusion (an infrequent display) and then gasps. "Oh my. That is a Carcerian ship." "A Carcerian..." Wilek repeats. "From one of the seven planes commonly referred to as Hell by Earthlings. The only one with space-travel technology. I did not detect this ship's arrival. What it is doing here, I do not know." "We better go on the ship and find out," Wilek decides quickly. "Agent Rho, while we're doing that. I want you to conduct a full sensor scan of the station for any more demons that could have arrived on this thing. Be very careful." Rho nods that he will and then runs off while Wilek, Miriam, Khesaat, and the Borg drones board the strange vessel. They quickly find signs that someone or something has recently left the ship and as they continue their investigation begin to wonder who or what it could be.

Elsewhere in the station, a ghostly form that is somehow remaining undetected by all who search for it emerges from a vent shaft and drops to the floor. As she stands erect and becomes solid once again, a gleaming sword is placed against her neck. "Seeker," the Quencher hisses in a hateful voice that does wonders to dispel any lustful thoughts relating to her physical beauty. "Hello demon," Kaioto replies with a smile. "I ran into the Realmsfarer on my way back to the infirmary from the recent fight because I forgot my sword. He warned me you had come." "I am no mere demon, mortal!" the Quencher snarls. "I am the Ultimate Anti-Paladin, the Raper of Souls, the Quencher of Life!" "Yeah, yeah, I know all your posturing," Kaioto rolls his eyes, then steps back from her with blade ready. "Now come on, let's dance!" The Quencher growls an oath and draws a huge axe-mace studded with spikes, then begins one of her Demon Chants as she and Kaioto begin to duel.

**END RP FIRST HALF (Note- this bit is a reminder to Wilek, SJ, Kaioto, and Warpmind, who (no offense intended by this btw, we understand that you may not have had time) have been a bit absent from the RP of late. Please guys, don't let the plots you started remain stagnant and inconclusive. Resolve them (or if you don't want to participate in this anymore, please ask Kit and I to wrap your parts of the action up for you (in which case we'll be happy to do it, but will miss you in the RP from then on. :(.**

Greetings to all CR dwellers. Well, I said I would post yesterday, but thanks to a surprise family visit, severe storms in the Austin area messing up my power and phone lines (and many people's homes, thank God no one has been reported hurt so far) and some other things, I didn't have the time. Now I do have it and everything works, so I'm posting. :) Guess I'll start things off with a bit of bad news- Spring Break is almost over for Kit and me. Yeah, we knew this was going to happen, but it still disappoints us. School starts again Monday, we don't feel ready, we're probably going to be needing vacation again within days, you get the idea. Why is any amount of relaxation time never enough? :)

A bit of good news is that "Elysium" is now posted at GFW. Yep, I finished it. :) Thanks to all who have sent feedback, or promised such (those people will get bigger thanks when they follow through <grin>). I hope to have done good work with this story, and so far readers are saying I have. I am grateful for this, but of course hope people won't feel like they need to keep quiet if they disagree. The next story in the saga, Night of the Symbiotes, I don't know when I'll be starting to write, but it should be soon. Have to deal with getting back into the grind of school and a mild case of writer's block/burnout first. Feedback will of course help with the latter. :)

SOROW: Congratulations on your success in the San Antonio contest. I wish I could have been there to see it, and know that you surely deserve all the awards you worked hard to get. :)

Mandi: Sorry I didn't say this before, but I'm sorry about the fire damage. Glad there wasn't more of it, but the things that were lost...<sigh> I too have lost my beloved childhood stuffed animals. To a ship sinking, not a fire, but I'm sure the feeling is the same. You have my sympathies, friend. :)

Shadowrider: My opinion of Sata? Well, it's pretty much the same as yours, I really don't know how to go into further detail than you did about her personality. Sorry. But thanks anyway for the response. :) BTW, I've noticed your recent interest in Stormy from Equality. From what I heard, that character was based on Stormy (especially the name), but they're not necessarily the same person. Maybe our poster's tale of her nickname is a little different, who knows? :) (The character and poster are pretty different too, I think. For some reason, I just can't see our Stormy as a shop-and-flirt-aholic mall rat. Giving that up to join a vigilante group, then leading that group and dating a Xanderesque former pilot Highlander immortal guy (as the character does in my fanfic) I'm a little less certain about, as I don't know Stormy well enough to say whether she'd do this for sure. :) I agree with you that Kit is very pretty, though I hope you will remember she's with someone right now <ducks mock slap from Kit>. :)

Got Beer? Campaign: You know, PETA ended this recently in response to the outcries. Thank goodness, huh? I think Kit's already given my opinion of the ads, and as for the people who erected them I too do not like them very much. Mostly because they don't seem to have any human feelings, and instead think all our species are bad guys just because of the things we do to other species. Never mind that they are members of our species, or that some of the things we do may be blessings and not torture (example the thing Coyote mentioned about cows needing to be milked). Their other deeds (like the tofukeys) I also despise, and I hope that one day the PETA group will be outlawed, or at least lose its political power. I don't know about the rest of you, but when part of humanity is going as crazy as the PETA jerks are and trying to make everyone else the same as them (with enough success not to give it up), I tend to worry about the evolution of the rest of us a lot. :( (note- I am opposed to animal cruelty, despite this post. I just don't think people should be as crazy about it as PETA is, especially when they become disrespectful of humans who don't deserve it and stupid in some way because of it. The world and the human race have a great number of more pressing and worse problems than animal cruelty, after all.)

Eating Gargoyles: Big thank you to Robby for putting an end to this awful topic. I too hated seeing it in here, though I didn't say anything because I assumed it would die out and hate to be a morality cop. As things are now, I'm glad the topic's over and hope it never arises again. Nothing good came of it, not even the creativity demon I got when Todd mentioned Swift's Modest Proposal about Demona tricking Broadway and Angela into eating humans (which I would have posted to horrify people and hopefully end the topic if Robby hadn't interverned. Thanks again, Mr. CR Admin! <salutes>).

Green Baron: I agree with you about McCain, even though I still think he was right in his comments about us needing to get rid of the political influence people like Falwell and Robertson enjoy. They may not be responsible for any deaths just yet, but they are still prophets of a hateful message to which IMO good Christian Americans should not be listening. Sharpton and Farrakhan are the same. And unfortunately they're all still around, with no clear sign of dying out. <sighs> I hope that when their poster boy Mr. GW Bush is elected President and does a poor job (all the signs so far show this happening) they will realize what the results of their message can be and shut up. :) Thanks for the bit of news on that hate crime in Montreal, I shall hope it doesn't happen again and pray for the victims.

Mecord: Downloaded your fic. Will read it when I have time. Hopefully that will be soon, maybe even after this post. <grin>

Weirdest Garg Dream: Well, I've had that dream SOROW mentioned too. Only Broadway, Angela, Demona, Ares O'Neil (from my fanfic) and Xanatos were also at the planning table. Far in the future someday I'll add a few world military leaders and make it a fic. :) As for my own weirdest Garg dream, it involved me, Kit, Macbeth, Demona, Thailog, Lex, Iago, Angela, King Arthur, Griff, Elisa, Oberon, Garlon, Willow (from Buffy), and a giant crossbreed of a sea serpent and an octopus that was probably the Kraken. All were trapped together on an asteroid for some reason and were forced to work together in order to escape. Don't remember how it turned out, but it had many possibilities. :)

Jenna: Thanks for plugging your poems, I read and enjoyed them. Some of the symbolism I didn't get right away, but the emotions invoked and words chosen were all very good. :)

Warpmind: Sorry you encountered that cop, glad you were able to handle him. Don't worry, I'm not going to turn out like him when I join his profession. I say that now anyway. :( Hope the policeman in question learns to calm down and remember that not every place in the world has a bad crime problem (I'm sure your foul mood somewhat helped :).

Pistoff, Archwolf, SJ, Coyote, others: Sorry to hear about all the sources of stress in your life lately. I pray that they will ease soon and you will be able to resume some semblance of a normal enjoyable existence. If there's anything I can do to help y'all, please let me know.

Kaioto, GB: Thanks for the economic explanations about the minimum wage. I think Kit and I understand the politics surrounding it a little better now. :) We're still in favor of raising it, but only when it's needed, and since it doesn't appear to be that economically necessary right now...you can probably guess how we feel about the politicans arguing for it anyway when the country has a lot of worse problems, right? :) They need to be reminded of economic realities even more than us.

Silverstar: Your spring break's not for three weeks? You have my sympathies. I guess not having one at the right time is worse than having it end too soon. Though not that much. :)

Demona Taina: WB to the CR! I would probably do the same thing as you would if Gargs came back on the air, hope it does someday and thanks for posting the idea.

Katara: Welcome back to you as well. Congrats on surviving the hospital without having to undergo surgery. Next time let us know beforehand if you can about something like that happening and you'll have prayers from all your friends here. :)

SJ: Thanks for the entertainment news. I am sorry to find no shows to be that enthusiastic about in Fox's new lineup (we'll have to see on the anime ones, and as for Beast Machines, well, that's good but if they don't bring back Tankor/Rhinox as a villain, I'm not going to be that entertained. :), but at least I can wait enthusiastically for the next Blade movie (if it's half as good as the first one was in terms of action...:). I can also smile at the news that no more Poke-clones are getting made. Now if WB will only get rid of the original dumb show that spawned the madness...:(

Speaking of which, no real comments on Weekend Media this time round. Early Edition and Martial Law (which I usually watch Saturday nights) have been cancelled to make room for a stupid basketball game <mutters>, and instead of new cartoons this morning we got a whole mess of repeat Pokemon episodes. Hopefully this will be the last such marathon WB does of a show that should have been cancelled long ago IMO. <sighs> As for movies, the only one Kit and I were interested in seeing was the Exorcist and it wasn't that great. Good special effects, decent acting and character development, but the script had holes a mile wide and the movie overall didn't really leave any lasting impression. I've seen many things that were scarier. Even though I'm sure the Exorcist was very frightening in the '70s, it nearly put me and Kit to sleep given the modern fare we've seen. So, tip to all who want a good scary movie this weekend- don't go see the Exorcist. Rent Sixth Sense or Carrie 2 instead (the last won't scare you until the end, but it will scare you :).

Bengal Tiger Deal: <drops jaw> Okay, that guy deserves joyriding bigtime. How could he endanger his kid like that? <sighs> The world we live in...hope the government confiscates all such unnecessarily dangerous pets soon so this doesn't happen again (if animals like tigers are trained to be docile it's one thing, but if they're not and still kept as pets...Jannie's right about them belonging in the wild too).

Silverstar: I hate ignorant people too, Neo-Nazis especially. PETA freaks, the so-called Christian Right, bad religious fanatics who want to force any part of the rest of the world to be like them, racists, parents who refuse to raise their children correctly and/or see them as people, and many others also fall under the category in my mind. I totally agree with your venting about them and would be glad to beat the hell out of such jerks too if I had the opportunity and could do it. <sighs> (Such people are going to be dealt with when the Nereus Project succeeds, right, Wilek?). Good luck to you and me both in dealing with them, as well as anyone else who has to. BTW, welcome back! :)

Kaioto: Good political rant from you, don't know if I agree with all its points (you were being a bit too harsh about things, IMO), but I do concur that such attitudes in media and politics are bad. Hope humanity soon finds some reason for dropping them, though I really doubt it will happen in our lifetimes. :(

GXB, Denis, Shadowrider: Okay, I'll be waiting for the feedback. Thanks for the promise, hope you soon keep it. Can't say that enough. :) (BTW, Denis, your question to me last post was a little confusing. Sorry I can't answer it because of that. Did you mean what stories you haven't sent me feedback on yet? That would be most of them, I don't have time to list the titles right now. Please ask me the question again in a less confusing manner in your next e-mail and I'll do it then, okay? Oh, and happy birthday. :)

Grendel: Not sure what he was in my fanfic, probably a minor demon of some kind. The text of Beowulf and his behavior therein don't really make him seem like a garg IMO. Other legendary creatures might be, though. I know in my fanfic the first sightings of Mothman were really Demona sightings, the Jersey Devils belonged to a now-extinct gargoyle clan, and those "winged vampires" people have reported seeing in the Phillipines and Indonesia are in fact gargoyles (some of them may be vampires too, I don't know if I should make it so :).

Coyote: Yeah, that was me. I am the allergic one. :( Thanks for reminding me of that. In regards to your getting too much work lately, I too hope it soon calms down. And not just so you can get back to writing WCC. :)

That's all for tonight, friends. See you again next time. Hope you all find some way to enjoy the rest of the weekend and time before the new season of TD begins (at which I'll probably post again :). Bye for now.

**MORE RP**

In Los Angeles, the Ravens watch and gasp as the great wave of Water Elemental surges towards them and starts bearing down. "Guys!" Shauna shouts. "We're about to be majorly wiped out here! What are we waiting for? Shoot that thing!" "That might not do any good," Kit speaks up. "I shot the air elemental with my laser and it didn't even affect it." "Does this mean we are dead?" Grifix gasps. Lathrop frowns at him, then looks at Kit. "Normal weapons don't hurt elementals. You need powerful magic or psionic attacks." "Then why don't you unleash some at that water elemental thing?" Doug asks him. The wizard sighs. "I'm trying to find something appropriate, hang on." He continues flipping through his spellbook. "No, a fireball will dissolve upon hitting it. Lightning bolts will be conducted away, pure energy won't really do that much. Ice attacks will just freeze it and make it more dangerous. Why does water have to be so resilient?" "Uh, Lathrop!" Jammer interrupts him. "We may not have time for you to hunt up a spell! Just do something powerful!" "Yeah!" Keith adds. "And now! Before that thing hits our raft." "But if whatever I do doesn't work..." Lathrop starts to protest, just as the elemental appears in front of the raft and sweeps it back with a current. "Too late!" Jaden yells as it bears down, unable to smile as the thing is attacking even him. All the Ravens who have guns open fire at it, but their weapons have no effect. Meanwhile Lathrop keeps looking for a spell, Mist meows loudly, Orion tries to dismiss the elemental with a holy word (and fails), and Grifix continues to mutter to himself about impending death. "Wait!" Tricia shouts, just as the elemental swamps the raft with a huge current of water. "Lathrop, you said psionics would also affect it! Does that mean I can..." "Try!" Lathrop shouts, angry that he is still finding no clear spell that will work in his book. "Okay," Tricia says, and then unleashes a storm of psionic blasts that knock the elemental back and cause plumes of steam to break out on its body. "That's it!" Elena cheers. "You're hurting it! Keep it up!" "I don't know if I can," Tricia mumbles, the strain of psionic combat already evident on her face as she unleashes stronger attacks. "Keep in mind I'm really not that powerful. I don't think I can..." "I am powerful," a voice suddenly intrudes in all the Ravens' minds. They gasp and turn to look at the silent-until-now Mewthree as he rises into the air and with a wave of his hand unleashes a powerful psionic ray that vaporizes the elemental in seconds of application. "Oh wow!" Tricia gasps as the sea calms. "You have to teach me that!" "Perhaps I will soon," Mewthree grins back. "We'd appreciate that," Doug says. "Uh, by the way, why didn't you do it before?" "It takes preparation. Besides, I was not sure it was necessary." Gubio frowns at the statement and looks at Grifix. "Is your friend always like this?" The griffon mutate nods. "Most of the time, unfortunately yes." He then smiles as most of the Ravens roll their eyes. Conversation is then silent for some time as everyone puts away their weapons (the elemental swept nothing overboard thankfully) and by the time everyone has recovered, Tom and Stephanie (who had been keeping the raft under control throughout the battle with the elemental), maneuver the boat very close to shore and drop its anchors. The Ravens all get out onto Santa Monica Pier and Boris takes out the Onslaught from his pocket, then unshrinks it. "Let's go find Asil," he declares, climbing into the cab. "Right," Kit nods, then she and the others get in behind him. The screen's image fades out as they start heading towards downtown LA (which is of course still in trouble with earthquakes, fires, and gang warfare, we'll deal with some of that next post).

**TO BE CONTINUED, FOR NOW END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 09:35:21 PM
IP: pool-207-205-145-194.dlls.grid.net

** Niamhgold enters...in spirit **

I'm gonna write in green today even if it's the day _after_ St. Paddy's day...Hey? What can I say? I'm a devout Irishwoman!

Happy Birthday, Denis! Get a lot of presents? :)

Shadowrider: Keep working on that fic! You know who's going to be the first one to read it! ;)

G2K: I'll have to be there in spirit, too :( Necesito dinero, which I don't have, but I'll be sending my art work! Of course, if they have it in Portland next year, I'll be there! (And I wouldn't even have to stay in a hotel!) Maybe all us folks who can't make the trip can have a special CR session during those days? :)

Warpmind: Glad you were able to put the Lent info to use (since I made such a *long* explanation). And, don't worry about not knowing a lot about it. If I had it my way, there'd be no sacrifices. Although, however, it's going to make the day when I _can_ have coffee again all the more wonderful!

Mmm...Execution chocolate cake. You guys are making me hungry!

Coyote: <I hate my workplace!> I know what you mean. It's not that I *hate* it, but it's the Eternal Black Hole, and it manages to suck every ounce of free time from my schedule. The only reason I have time to even post is because I have about a half-hour between coming home and going to bed so I can start a whole other day again. And, yes, they call me in place of *everyone.* In fact, I think there are names on their payroll that no one can ever put a face to--because I have to work all their hours! :( What do you work as?

Personally, I'm looking for a career change. One in which I can *sit* and *draw* (Heh, heh. There's no harm in _wishing_, right?)

Adios!

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 09:17:12 PM
IP: ncia124n.ncia.net

Shadowrider: << so I can't say
he's a mutate...his DNA is the same he had at birth...at least, I guess...;) >>

um thanks...but by that argument, would Maggie and Talon's kids be gargoyles? {they'd be born to the furry bat-winged electrical form}. {{i mean no offense or insult..and hope that this conversation does NOT get carried out of control}}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 09:14:22 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Denis: Hmm ... this is your first, maybe I should explain ...
They're called "Execution" cakes because originally it was Chocolate Execution, until I gave one to someone who was allergic to chocolate (was that you, Doug? I don't recall) ... hence the remote, it allows you to choose the flavor. :)

Shadowrider: Glad ye liked it. Oh, incidentally ... the beer ain't just Western, either. (the brand I had in mind when I wrote the scene was Heineken.)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, March 18, 2000 08:37:21 PM
IP: zzz-209252248226.splitrock.net

Hmm, AOL is being particular nasty to me the last few days. It won't let me use AIM, e-mail, bookmarking, or anything. So all I can do is surf the web for the time being... Kinda stinks... Even worse is, there's mail in amy box and I can't get to it. If there was still any sport to it, I'd kill Mister Dis Connect...

*Kicks Mr. DC to the CR gators, who refuse to eat him.*

Oh, thats right, he gives them gas... Okay gators, chew but don't swallow.

Coyote- The "Friends and Mates" story... AH, that one was a goody... Onna these days I need to get around to reading everything you've done since...

Klingon language- Actually, there are TWO Klingon languages. The story, as it goes, is that the first time Klingons had to speak in their native tounge, the director just told the actor to say whatever he wanted, they would put up the appropriate subtitles later and the audience wouldn't know any better. But when the NEXT movie came around again and they had to keep the language sounding the same, well... Someone had to use those old "translated" snippets to make an actual language. And so he did. And just as a joke, he left the phrase "to be" out of the language, just to ammuse himself, and give him some fun work around in the course of the film. Naturally, not having these words affected the entire language. Then, come on of the later movies, they went back to him and said "We need you to translate a sentance into Klingon for us." He said, "Sure, what is it?" And the response... "To be or not be..." I woulda loved to seen his reaction. But, the result was, he had to go back and restructure the entire language to accomodate that. So not only is there an "official klingon language", and not only do people speak it, but... There's two versions of it. Oii.
Robby
Saturday, March 18, 2000 08:32:01 PM
IP: spider-wn081.proxy.aol.com

Hi!

Grendel:> OK, I decide for...mmm...Gargoyle. (After all, it is Rodlox's natural form, so I can't say he's a mutate...his DNA is the same he had at birth...at least, I guess...;)
So, here's the poll situation:

15 Gargoyles
11 Battlesuits
7 Mutates
6 Cyborgs

Seems Gargoyles got victory.

P.S. You're right about the dragon stuff. It's been a long time since I've read "Beowulf", so I didn't remember...

Denis:> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I don't know you, although I send you my best wishes. :-)

Coyote:> Whoa, your site is impressive, and I already know I'm going to read all of your stories (Where in the world am I supposed to find the time for reading all the fanfic I'm discovering around here? ). About the scene with Sata trying beer...LOL...well, I think you're right. For an Ishimuran gargoyle, used to Sake, western beer's taste could be a true...impact.

Later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, March 18, 2000 07:50:10 PM
IP: h255-20-199.mi2.albacom.net

hi again!

*bite in his cake piece*
Coyote> thanks, dude!
*looks at the Execution* I'm supposed to eliminate her? okay! *Evil grin, and pours some cheese saus on her, then throws to ratsn, then close the door, to hide the scene from the youngest eyes* ahhh! always a good venting on! thanks, pal!

later! *takes Jannie's hand and goes out, humming some tune of Luca Turilli's 'King of the Nordic Twiligh' album*


Denis
Saturday, March 18, 2000 07:17:42 PM
IP: 212.166.49.18

**looks over CR and finds his last post was about "Got Beer?", then shrieks**

I HATE MY WORKPLACE!!
*grumble* Schedule me to nine straight days of 9+ hours ... and then on my FIRST day off, who d'you think they call when one of the parts managers calls in sick? You GUESSED IT!! *grumble* I know I shouldn't be complaining, the parts manager in question just had an emergency root canal on Tuesday ... but still, why on God's green Earth is it that I'm the only one they call when ANYONE calls in?!
**voices around the room call out "'Cause you're the king of the suckers!"** Ahh, shaddap.

**composes self**

Sorry. Needed to unload that. Let's see what I've been missing ...

Don Quixote casting: Uhmm ... GB, I have to disagree about Mariah Carey as Aldonza, mainly because her most recent work hasn't really agreed with me. True, she has the range ... however, the role also requires the actress to be able to e-nun-ci-ate the ly-rics, and MC's most recent singles have, to me at least (no offense to MC fans in here), sounded like she drank a fifth of cheap Mexican tequila before she recorded them, because she mumbles the words so badly.

Cherry Blossom: You have my support, friend. I see ya on IM occasionally, page me once in a while if ya need to talk to someone.

**takes a glance at most recent conversations between SOROW and Joe Boxer** Okay, I'm not even gonna ask ... as I'm sure it's none of my business anyway ...

Fire Storm: I've been thinking of places, as well ... of course, I've also been thinking of the list of attractions that the Gathering-goers might be interested in (Detroit Science Center, Henry Ford Museum/Greenfield Village, Detroit Zoo, not to mention the *lovely* (note dripping sarcasm) casinos that just opened.).

Bizarre Garg-related dreams: Well, the only one I recall from recently is one where somehow I was able to talk Goliath and Elisa to do a live sitting for the pose for the Caddy's hood ... this was also strange because the hood was removed from the car, I was doing the airbrushing, and ... well, the rest of the bizarre details need not be heard here. :)

Demona Taina: Well, welcome back, friend! Not to pester, but I'm curious if you'd done the pic I commissioned from ya yet.

SJ, re: Fox Kids lineup: Many of them sound interesting.
Oh, and you might find this as disturbing as I did, it regards "NASCAR Racers." Seems my store gets a magazine for auto aftermarket professionals called "Counterman," which occasionally has a bonus insert, a magazine-let if you will, called "NASCAR Garage." **shudder** NASCAR Garage did a two-page spread about NASCAR Racers ... which included a sidebar with *way-too-detailed tech specs about the cars.*
We're talking about completely *FICTIONAL* race cars here. And they're giving tech specs on them? Do we really *need* the tech specs on these cars when I'm trying to sell wiper blades to some idiot with a Chevy truck who thinks he can get away with putting blades that are two inches too short on his truck? (That actually happened, and he got all bitchy with the parts manager because he didn't feel like getting the right dang part the first time)

Oddball food tastes: Two words ... egg sushi. It's the only kind of sushi I can tolerate.

Doug: You went to see "The Exorcist," huh? Y'know ... should tell ya something about my parents' relationship, the night they got married they went to see that movie. (they went to "Earthquake" on their first date.)

Patrick Toman: Oh, your presence reminds me ...
Folks, if ya'll recall, about six months ago I was talking about a potential project in the main S8 room involving making a real version of Elisa's Fairlane. Patrick suggested that I re-badge a car that looked close enough. Well, my friends, I believe I've found the car. And it'd probably be more logical to be Elisa's car than a Fairlane would ...
I do now believe that Elisa's car is a '59 Checker cab, mainly because it meets everything a police unmarked should have ... commercial-grade engine and brakes (fleet quality, which would be similar to a police cruiser, and the engines used were mainly Chevrolet 327 V8's), four doors, and an automatic transmission. And the trim work on a Checker even looks like Elisa's car.
So there's my theory.

Fire Storm re: Puck Naked: I wouldn't have done it for Wings tickets.
Now Wings *playoff* tickets ... hmmm ... :) j/k
Then again, I'd do it for tickets to the NCAA Midwest Region Final next Saturday at the Palace (provided MSU beats Syracuse) ... I might try getting those tickets anyway ...

Denis: Happy B-day. WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!
**moving crew hauls in an Execution^TM cake and a remote. Tosses the remote to Denis** Pick yer flavor. :)

Gargoyles getting drunk: Click my link for my viewpoint on it ... would also answer Shadowrider's question about Sata's opinion on drinking (those who know the story that's linked up, don't give it away ... it's "Friends and Mates."). ;)

Ah well, time for me to jet, since I'm caught up now ...

**skips out to try to score regional tickets**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, March 18, 2000 07:03:46 PM
IP: zzz-209252248226.splitrock.net

I didn't mean to imply that Grendel had a specific place in the Gargoyles Universe...{much less that _i_ would be defining}....just that, out of the categories provided by the poll, that appeared to be a fair site.

you can definately {can i say "bet"?} that i'll be reading WANDERER now!!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 06:57:10 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Grendel, in the "Beowulf" poem, was a sort of ogre-like creature (reputedly descended from Cain; in "Beowulf", it's stated that Cain's offspring became monsters as a result of their forebear's being the first murderer), who raided the hall of King Hrothgar of the Danes because he hated the music and merrymaking that went on there. This went on for several years until Beowulf came there and slew him. The following night, however, Grendel's mother raided the hall and slew one of Hrothgar's nobles with an attitude of "That'll teach you to pick on my poor helpless little baby". (Just goes to show once again, as Demona and Fox have already demonstrated, that it's a bad idea to mess with the momma). Beowulf goes to the lake where Grendel and his mother live, dives in, and slays Grendel's mother in single combat.

His encounter with the dragon comes many years later, when Beowulf is now an old man but still strong, and has risen to become King of the Geats (a people living in southern Sweden). He indeed dies in it, though not before slaying the dragon.

Where Grendel fits into the Gargoyles Universe, I won't even guess at present. (Of course, TGS readers might recall his cameo in "Wanderer", an early episode of "Dark Ages").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 18, 2000 06:21:14 PM
IP: 216.87.46.74.dialup-stl.primary.net

Denis > no, I've seen no e-mails from you! Happy birthday, though! Hope it's a great one!

Warpmind > hey, if David Bowie did the voice of Arien, I'd be tempted to let them make it a totally Disney-esque musical! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 04:03:08 PM
IP: 04-197.009.popsite.net

For the Poll's sake, just group Grendel {me} in 'gargoyles'...it's the nearest physiological analogue.


small question: are we allowed to discuss the evolution of gargoyles on here? {don't start discussing - unless you're discussing if we can discuss}. did that make any sense?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 01:41:52 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Quickie Post

Shadowrider>*shrugs*, a mutate maybe?.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:58:14 PM
IP: spider-tr011.proxy.aol.com

on the subject of Grendel:

there was a story told from Grendel's point of view {called 'Grendel', i think}....and i'd always heard that Beowulf survived killing Grendel and Grendel's mom, but was later killed by a dragon.

as for what to classify it as...well, how would you classify an intelligent wingless gargoyle [whose eyes are extremely photo-sensitive] ?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:46:37 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*carries in a birthday cake with 25 flaming candles*

Denis> Happy birthday, my love! *smothers your face with 25 kisses* Since the room is PG-13 rated, the birthday spanking will have to be conducted in private ;)
The prank? *blinks innocently* moi? ummmmm...*looks around for Jessie and Pistoff* It was THEIR idea!! *LOL*

Unusual languages: in scouting, we have interepter strips that can be worn on the uniform if you fluently speak a different language other than English. There are comical ones as well - including "Klingon" *L* We also have "Brooklynese" - which I can't tell you in here how to count in "Brooklynese" ;) *censored* but ask me at G2K, if you are attending and I'll be happy to count for you ;D
My interepter strip says, "southern drawl" *silly grin*
heh, my "Trained" strip says "Potty Trained". *blushes*

Only 135 more days until I see Denis!! *happy feet dance* which also means...*stops to add on my fingers* 139 more days till G2K =)
Which remember folks... if you are considering attending - please make your hotel reservations NOW. You can always cancel if you can't make it with no penality, but if you wait too long, you might not have a room available. I seem to recall a few people that this happened to at G99 o_O Then again, maybe they were just roaming the halls aimlessly just for the heck of it ;)
Also, if you need flight arrangements made, do not hesitate to email Susan (G2K Travel agent and mom of a Mini clanner). She has been great with getting excellent rates for both Denis and I. We've been checking with her for months and she patiently gave quotes each time we checked. =) NICE lady!
*This has been an unsoliciated public announcement for G2K travel and hotel accomodations*

*takes Denis by the hand to leave* c'mon hon.... let's go celebrate your birthday!
Jannie
Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:38:54 AM
IP: 216-90-185-149.hou.port.mytelco.com

Greetings to everyone!

My fanfic is going on. By now, I've written about a half of it. The (temporary) title is "Primo Attacco" ("First Strike"). I'll try to complete it as soon as I can. I'm seeking for someone to proofread the English version, as I'll complete it (Some friends of mine are already reading what I've written by now of the Italian version, but I'd like for someone English-mother-tongued to read the translation...) Is anyone aruond interested? BTW, how does the rating stuff work? I mean, I may rate the story by myself, or what?

Klingon:> Well, I'm a little biased about it (I'm a member of STIC-Star Trek Italian Club- and my preferred ST character is Worf...) but I think it is nothing strange in Klingon to be spoken in the world. Star Trek had a great influence in last decades' culture, and this is just a minor consequence. Nothing strange that Klingon is more successful than Esperanto: I think Esperanto is a little too "scientific" to become a actual language. I didn't know the story of the Japanese trekkie, but i find it is interesting.
Of course, it is very sad to see that, while Klingon language is going to survive (and maybe even expand), so many ancient and interesting languages around the world are going to disappear, but it is not Star Trek's blame.

Drunken Gargoyles:> Well, the topic is a bit old...anyway, I think Goliath would never go drunk. Hudson...I'm sure he would, and probably did. Lex...I don't think. Broadway...mmm...maybe. Angela? No, I can't see her. Brooklyn? Well, before his timedancing, yes,sure ("..I drink to forget her. Who is "Her"? Oh, well, it is a long list...;))...after timedancing? Well...maybe...in some special occasions...he and Sata could send the children somewhere and...have a little party on their own ;). (I can see Sata drink-but I can't see her drunk. Weird, isn't it?).

Doug and Mecord:> I downloaded "Elysium" and "Infinity broken". I'm gonna read them as I could. For sure, I'll send you feedback as soon as I do it.

Bengali & Rodlox:> OK, I see...well... actually have a little question...how a grendel is supposed to be classified? OK, I can eliminate Cyborgs and Battlesuits...and Gargoyles too...Maybe a Grendel is a mutate? BTW, In the version I read, Grendel was a feisty monster and Beowulf the hero who slain it, heroically dying in doing it. I never heard mention of Grendel as an anti-hero. Did you read any other version of the story? (I'm interested.)

Wilek:> I infiltrated "Power around the world"! Maybe they're a greater threat than I supposed. Their plan seem to rely on economical/political pressure more than on military. They recognize each other by drawing a circle in the air with their right index. I'll try do discover more. ;)

Stop for now, see later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:17:28 AM
IP: h213-20-167.mi2.albacom.net

Mecord: <<can't remember the movie>> _PCU_ {politically correct university.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 10:43:24 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warp> Harharharhar *cracks a rotten egg over his head*

***SPOILERS AND REVIEW FOR "PITCH BLACK"***
Overall, I thought this movie was awesome just because it's making wasn't affected by Hollywood. What I mean is I'm glad the film didn't hint any surprises like most other movies do. For example: if Hollywood had gotten hold of it, we would've been hinted the kid was a girl by seeing her look into a mirror. Or someone would've said "I'm glad there's not going to be an eclipse" before it actually happened. Everything was a surprise and it made the movie a lot better. And for once, not all of the children survived. Being realistic, children can't run as fast or keep their head in scary situations, so they would probably die. It's good to know this movie wasn't afraid to kill off some stupid kids. As for Keith David, he did a wonderful job with his role and I'm glad he lived in the end. I didn't expect him to play an Arab man, though. Good movie!
***END SPOILERS AND REVIEW***
SOROW
Saturday, March 18, 2000 10:42:58 AM
IP: dll2a010-0462.splitrock.net

*Warpmind enters, with no further ado. His chibi-family follows.*

Caliope: My dear, with this bunch, it is often hard to tell when someone is kidding and not. But, yes, I did see through your joke at once. :)

Niamhgold: Thanks for the lowdown. Adding your information to what I got last night at Callahan's, I think I have an acceptably good grasp of what Lent is all about. Don't get me wrong: we do have that period in Norway as well, but I don't think it is custom in Lutheranean churches to make that kind of sacrifices... :)

Silverstar: No problem with being a priest and enjoying the company of females, is there? I myself am a ULC ordained minister, and I am not likely to deny myself any worldly pleasures. Unless they are *really* decadent or perverse, of course. That's the sweet thing about the Universal Life Church: they'll accept *anyone* and *anything* as a minister: just ask Reverend Atilla. :)

Christine: Savid Bowie as Arien? Uh... hm... naah, I can't really make that image fit right... unless we're talking about a musical version, of course. ;)

Skippy: Klingon language as a barrier-breaker: Yeah, there are two truly international languages, that are not the official language in any countries, and is in the "constructed language" category (i.e. not regionally evolved, like English, Swahili, or Spanish, to name a few). The other language, of course, being Quenya; the Elven language devised by J. R. R. Tolkien him(s)elf. Now, I speak English and Norwegian fluently... if I just get a grasp of klingon and Quenya, as well, I should be able to communicate with practically anyone, anywhere. :)

Fire Storm: You miss water? Here, come and take all you want. I want to move to Texas, which should be sufficiently far from any coast! (And they have nice weapon regulation laws, too.) :)

Cyborg: Already got my sword right here. Cane variety. Now, if I only could get someone to sharpen it for me... of course, a dull edge will be more painful. >:)

Wilek/Jessie: There are two kinds of people: Those who think humanity can be divided into as few as two categories, and those of us who know better. -Doc Webster, M.D. (Courtesy of Spider Robinson)

Wilek: Uh... documents on WHAT? *Flicks up a SatCom, dials a 17-digit number. "Yeah? You guys... you are? Just checking... and progress report? On my desk within the end of next week, good. Thanks, Hughes." Flicks the SatCom back into pocket.* Well, I'll be... Wilek, we're in luck. The only explanation I can think of is that the ones you wasted were a rogue faction. The mining/research facility is running at max capacity... Which means you didn't get my base, and all is going well. A favor to ask: send me those papers? If I can show them to the Grandmaster, he might be willing to forget the Dishrag Affair, too... By the way, if you find the base in the Ocean of Serenity (or whatever it's called in English, it's that big crater on the moon), don't destroy it, 'kay? I suspect we may find some very interesting materials there. And the final reports can be extraordinarily beneficial to the Nereus Project, too. And where the egg jokes are concerned... Game ova, man... game ova...

Well, that's all there is for now, so I guess I'll check back later. Chow, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, March 18, 2000 08:19:29 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

hi, guys!

geesh! I just conclued my first quarter of a century, today!

WARNING! potential spoiler ahead!***********************

Cybersix> it's a bit more complicated than just a superheroine that turns male when off-duty. With Cyber, it almost confine to schizophrenia, her male, teacher by day, self has his own personnality, while Cyber has her own. they have their own relationships.
At first she disguised herself to escape from a Servarius-like savant named Von Richter. To escape, and eventually take revenge.
Now, that's in the comic book -originally edited in Spain- I don't know how it'll be done in the series. I think they might tone it down, to keep it at a PG/PG-13 level, when the original often crossed the line of the R, and getting close to the NC-17.
***END Spoiler Cybersix***

progress on Injustice For All 3: Well, it's in work, around a third of it done, so far. expect some big surprises in there!

Doug> I've downloaded Elysium, and will read it in due time. I just started Goblins. ohh could you remind me wich stories I fed back to you yet?

Christine> have you got my emails?

Jannie> *hugs tight* thanks sooo much for your gifts, the tricky wishcard, your love, and your infinite patience with me! I LOVE YOUUU da mostest!! ;-p Ohh don't worry about your li'l prank. I laughed. *winks*

well I've got to go. it's noon and I haven't had a breakfast yet! cya later, guys!

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 06:01:53 AM
IP: 212.166.49.155

Wilek: <Puck Naked>
Forgot to mention WHY they did it...
for Red Wing Hockey tickets.
Fire Storm
Saturday, March 18, 2000 05:13:51 AM
IP: t3-87.visitus.net

**DC DEATH**

[Wilek finds himself unable to get to the CR again, even with the help of all the magic and weaponry at his disposal. Half-crazed, he pays a visit to his ISP, expecting to find Mr. Disconnect there, fresh for the killing. No such luck. After killing a few people anyhow, Wilek wanders about randomly until...he catches Mr. Disconnect leaving his phone company. DC sees him and starts to run, but it's a futile gesture--Wilek summons a microwave emmission cannon and aims it at DC's left leg, melting the flesh right off the bone. He strides over to the fallen hacker, bearing a PADD. Wilek: "This is a log of some of the havoc you've caused here over the past two nights. Havoc which has kept me and probably everyone else in the area from connecting to the Internet or even making a simple phone call. Care to explain? Oh never mind, if you open your mouth, I'll say something like 'No more excuses' and kill you anyhow, so let's go ahead and be done with that." Wilek summons a hooked knife and makes lenghwise incisions along DC's arms, legs, and torso, uses what could be an overlarge srynge (sp?!) to spray difluoric acid into the wounds, and then packs DC's entire body full of golf ball sized micro-explosives. He stands back, and uses a remote to detonate them...one at a time, several seconds apart. It takes DC hours to die, and he goes nearly mad from the pain while he's at it.]

**END**

Apologies if the above violates anything, but it was either that or pop my last rivet...<twitchtwitch>

SJ> CyberSix> <<A unique twist to this superhero series is that CyberSix disguises herself as a male high school teacher when she’s not fighting evil.">> <blink> Victor/Victoria meets Sailor Moon... :P <<I don't know why, but it kind of disturbs me that Klingon is such a popular language.>> It's so popular because it's a kewl language, more so than most "real" languages. :P Besides, they went to the trouble of inventing such a rich and complex language; the populace may as well take advantage of it. ;) I'd probably learn it myself, if I could.

Fire Storm> <<Some people say the same things about calimari (fried squid), but it is REALLY good!>> <shudder> I like cephalopods too much to eat them...<<How many senses have you ever felt in a dream?>> Usually sight, sound, and motion/balance. (I had the *oddest* Freddy Krueger dream this morning...) Computer rant> :O <waits for DC to reintegrate, then drags him over to you and gives you a variety of portable torture devices> Here, you deserve to have some fun with him more than I do... Puck Naked> Anyone stupid enough to take that offer for less than a nine-digit amount of money should be thrown into a wood chipper, right after anyone who would be stupid enough to give someone a nine digit amount of money to do it. ;P

Katara> Cyst> Ack...hope it isn't anything serious. O_o'

Robby> <<Power Rangers has been going on in Japan since 1972. Granted, the Japanese version has good scripts, acting, characters, villains, and makes a really conveniant marketing tool for endless action figures>> So I've heard. <sigh> What I wouldn't give to see dubbed versions of the original eps, instead of a bunch of dumb teenagers running around among badly spliced-in Japanese footage...all this would explain how such kewl battle machinery was condemned to the servitude of such a lame show. :(

Gside> <<the only living fan of The Adventures of Baron Munchausen>> I don't know enough about it to be counted as a proper 'fan' (read: I know pretty much nothing about it), but I saw the last half or so of it once (memorable line: "Is there a doctor in the fish?"), and it was pretty interesting. :)

Jessie> <<Actually, you can divide people into _any_ two "categories"...someone's always bound to prefer one over the other in some fashion.>> There are three kinds of people--those who can't count, and those who can. :P

Stephen> <<the most recent plots in "PR: Lost Galaxy" and this recent "PR: Lightspeed Rescue" are starting to get more logical and less dumbed down>> Indeed? Hm, a few years and this show might be worth watching. ;)

Zath> <<I was perfectly clear headed the entire time as they banged my head up and down on the seat back and smeared my own blood all over my face, playing Kenny G. the entire time.>> <blink, reads again carefully> Dear gods, I thought you were doing a DC death for a second there... O_O' <<For the Nereus Project, if no one's claimed it yet, can I have California, please? I've decided the place amuses me...>> Why not. ^_^ <<chickens are less likely to seek revenge for their fallen comrades>> Never played any of the later Zelda games, have you. Being caught in a Hitchcockian hurricane of feathers, beaks, and talons is a *memorable* experience...

Warpmind> <<Oh, cripes! That was the Lunar Research base! *Warpmind suffers a brief seizure.* Cripes! Those 8000 guys were HANDPICKED! Dammit! I sent them there to check for mierals within the moon core, and now you kiled them all?>> A mining/research station? Then why were they carrying documents outlining the systematic eradication of the Illuminati Freelance division (I remember both of us being mentioned by name) and the eventual assassination of the Grandmaster...? <<GPS using radio waves? Honestly, I have trouble swallowing that... don't they require something faster than regular radio waves?>> Radio waves propagate at the speed of light if I'm not mistaken; nothing short of subspace comms gear can go much faster than that. <<Getting rid of those would be "eggselent", wouldn't it? ;)>> Or eggscruciating, depending on how eggsact the surgeons are; the yolk will be on them if they get egg on their faces with a malpractice suit. (Y'all are within your rights to kill me for that.)

Green Baron> Klingon language article> Heh, I've suspected something like this ever since I saw a copy of Hamlet available in Klingon... <<I also like escargot which gets an even worse reaction than calimari.>> Uggghhh...Who would be offended if I brought about the wholesale extinction of the gastropod species? Slugs and snails are repellent beyond nearly any other life form IMHO (but then most invertebrates are pretty gross)...

Aaron> <<They got around to Hell, and Smith said something to the effect of "when you get there say hi to Eisner for me.">> <even more insane laughter than usual>

Doug> <<Anybody thinks of something else, feel free to add it to the list. :)>> Interesting. ^_^ Let's see...play my new Genesis (I bought a used Castlevania Bloodlines from a rental and ordered Gargoyles and Contra Hard Corps from Funcoland recently; the latter two should be arriving in a few days), find the Nightmare On Elm Street boxed set DVDs again after I took them back to the store thinking that the lockups I was experiencing were because of faulty discs, try and intimidate my creativity divas into helping me write (at this rate my ficverse will never be complete), kill the entire staff of my stupid @%$#%$#%ing phone company and replace them with ppl with more than eight functioning cranial neurons, do worse than kill the idiots who killed Reboot, and the same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world!

Jewel> Tiger idiot> Why don't we lock this idiot and his tiger in a room with a PETA idiot and see what happens?

Newcomers> Welcome! Surrender your sanity and watch for flying attack porcupines...

GXB> <<I think it's sad that we live in a society where sex is more of a taboo than violence.>> I have a response, but just to play it safe, I've posted it at my name link instead of here. :) <tests link> Connection with the server was reset?! WTF??!!! <just then, Neoplanet kicks him out to Windows for no apparent reason> <sigh> A little violence would be *very* theraputic right now. <drops a spiked white-hot anvil on Mr. Disconnect> Ahhh...
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, March 18, 2000 05:06:04 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

hey all. I worked til three in the morning today. it sucked.

SOROW: i'm sorry sweetie. it's just that "monthly visitor" is what comes to my mind when i hear the word "ovaries." i love you anyway.
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 05:04:56 AM
IP: spider-wc043.proxy.aol.com

**Mecord cartwheels into the CR**

I’m so happy :), here’s why

*****Shameless Plug*****

The first Fanfic written by Mecord Lein in the Gargoyles’ Universe.

INFINITY BROKEN
By David (Mecord) Henderson.
(I thought I should use the name of the man behind the Elf when publishing)

What’s this? Elisa’s turned into a Gargoyle and the Clan…? How could this be? Who’s responsible? Elisa and Hudson search desperately for the answers.

Here’s a tidbit.

Laughter was now carrying the wind. It swirled around the battlements, tore through the courtyard, and climbed the towers. The cloud rested over the tallest tower where six Gargoyles slept. The mechanism triggered by Owen began lowering the statues into the protective recesses within the tower.
The dark force overhead was not to be denied. Energy from the cloud focused in a single tremendous explosion. The resulting shock wave rattled the Erie tower to the foundation.
Xanatos struggled up the last few steps of the tower. At the top he saw Hudson. The older gargoyle hadn’t made it outside before sunrise. That meant if Owen had acted in time…. Xanatos ran to the lower roosts. Strangely, something in his heart died.
“Goliath, I’m sorry.”

*****End Shameless Plug*****

Please, please, please, pleeeeeeeeease read my story. Then could you pleeeeeaaase give me some feedback? What you liked, what you didn’t. Just click my name to go to the fanfic site. I hope you like it! :)

Only one response for now.

GB>> I seem to remember a movie that has a group of vegetarians protesting meat. Some other students at this university tossed meat on them from a second story cafeteria. :) Don’t remember what the movie was called though.

**Mecord dances back out of the CR**

Mecord - [mecordlein@mailcity.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 04:28:57 AM
IP: usr16.mtwest.net

Grendel was a monster {or anti-hero, depending on what story you hear} defeated by Beowulf {in the story of the same name}. Beowulf was hired by King Hrolfgar(sp?) to kill Grendel.

Grendel was a swamp-dweller with broad feet and great physical strength, also was active primarily at night. To the best of my knowledge, no Grendels fly.

Any other Grendel comments/corrections/questions?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 02:32:15 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Happy St Patricks Day!

Poll Update!

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?

1.Y=0 votes
2.Y-7 or G=4 votes
3.PG=3 votes
4.PG-13 or TV-14=14 votes
5.NC-17 or R=0 votes
6.No consriction to ratings=1 vote
7.Whatever Greg wants it to be=1 vote

Poll #2>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

1.New Olympians=0 votes
2.Gargoyles=10 votes
3.Pendragon=0 votes
4.Timedancer=9 votes
5.Bad Guys=2 votes
6.Dark Ages=1 vote
7.Gargoyles 2158=1 vote

{Gargoyles is winning barely}

Shdowrider><<what's a grendal?>>Dont ask me, ask Rodlox.

Patrick>Huh? *blinks*, you dont know how far off you are..., like Jenna said, we DO NOT like being called "Morality Police" for not wanting graphic descriptions of smut here. It was not the mention of erotica here that caused the responses it was the graphic follow-ups of it that caused it. I myself did not agree with the mentions of gargoyle eating and posted a comment about it. And even so, there is a big difference between discussing what IMAGINARY creatures taste like than the posting of smut. Methinks that it is you who needs to re-evaluate his outlooks.

Bengal tiger>I fully agree with Jannie on this.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 01:36:11 AM
IP: spider-tr012.proxy.aol.com

Gside - Got 'em... Thanks for being patient.
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 01:18:44 AM
IP: spider-tm013.proxy.aol.com

<>SEMI-OFFICIAL CR STUFF<>

Ok, since I posted the link to the CR rules, I guess I should give a little explanation about the other links on the page.

This link is to the CR Info Index page. On that page there are a few other links:
Link to the TGS main site
Links to the CR's (text only and full)


Then theres the new stuff:

Index page (The page on the link)

CR Rules page (The previous rules page was mixed in with the disclaimers)

CR Images and CR Text Colors (The better to choose what picture/color to post with. These pages will prevent newbies
posting "Just wanted to see what this picture/color looked like")

CR Archive (People have been asking for an updated CR Archive. So we updated it and gave it a nice looking page instead of a directory listing)
(BTW... if anyone has CRs (TGS, S8, and Gore's weekly update), please e-mail them to me at Mystic-Storm@usa.net I lost all of the past 2 months CRs when my hard drive crashed earlier this month. I can't quite post them if I don't have them, now can I? Until I can get some CRs from the past two months from other people, what you see is what you get.)


LM and I will try e-mailing the TGS Site Maintainer to set up some permanent links to these pages.


Robby: Until Gore posts the updated CR page, maybe you should post a link to this page every week. That way there will always be a link to the CR rules page. It's better than nothing :)
Fire Storm and Lady Mystic - [<--- Link to CR Info Index]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 01:13:08 AM
IP: t2-32.visitus.net

*just to be argumentative, doesn't post in green today*

Gyre: <<Just had an idea. Castaway has by this time got to be getting the idea that he's been played for a sucker by the fey. It is even possible that Castaway/Canmore gets it into his head that the true enemies are the fey, not the gargoyles. Some story ideas there.:)>>

You know, I wrote out a dark, anti-hero character for my stories a long time ago when I was contemplating gargoyles fan-fiction. He was a very bitter, angry man with a knack for urban terrorism and a grudge against anyone he deemed at the roots of what he perceived as the now inevitable destruction of mankind. He also carried a lot of iron spikes, iron buckshot, and oaken stakes. Fey and vampires and drug dealers and corrupt official alike have ended their days with a pointy object nailing their heart to the floor.

He was basically the example of a complete Terror to the third race and other super-naturals, their angel of death as it were. The scenario is Very interesting to play with.

Jannie: O.o *shudders* Sorry about the teeth thing. I hope the painkillers are the good stuff, and I hope you get better soon.

Ah, Saint Patrick’s Day. Out here, several dispensations were granted for this feast day to pass on Lenten observations.

Myself, I worked in Downtown Boston today, scooping ice cream on my Spring Break. Yesterday it was 72 degrees F. Today it was 30 and snowing.

Plus, it was Saint Patrick’s Day. I turned to my Aunt (Pronounced “Ahnt”, not “ant”) to who’s one of the head waitresses working the other side of the ice-cream shoppe/ diner deal I work at. She’s wearing a green flower to liven up the uniformed outfit of black slacks and red shirt. I raise my eyebrow and go, “Ain’t this St. Patrick’s Day stuff against our religion?” To which she looks at me funny and goes, “What?” I smile and reply, “Practicing Italian.” ;-)

Actually, one of the funnier things I’ve always noticed about St. Patrick’s day was that St. Patrick is thought to be of Roman decent. His family remained in Southern Britain after the Roman legions left, much like the suspected lineage of King Arthur. After joining the priesthood and spending time in a monastery or two, he went into pagan Eire as a missionary.

I’d agree with David G. that his success as a missionary is probably the reason Maeve wears black. An Unseelie Fay with a taste for domination and worship would certainly be Very unhappy about having all of her worshippers taken away.

SJ> Re: Klingonesse. <<but it's a made up language based on a tv show that owes virtually all of its success to its firm place in pop culture>> *grins* SJ, your anti-60’s prejudices are showing again. ;-)

Just teasing, man.

You know, the more I read the newspaper, the less I want to pick it up. However, most often times, the wisest, most rational, and most responsible decision is Not guarantied to be the one which makes us feel good.

I think all this embittered reflection has yielded something useful, though. I think I’ve got a grip on what has really been eating me lately in politics.

The single worst this about our political races here in America in this century is the inaccurate dichotomies created by the ratings-hungry US media. In an effort to grab ratings, the media have made it their sacred duty to dumb-down every issue into sound bites for the fast-food consumer. That which was once news has been reduced to sugar-coated buffalo chips. In an effort to generate sensationalism, the media uses generalization and demonization in order to make everything into volatile, two-party holy war.

The results of living in such a mentally polluted environment are the clear signs of damage to the average American’s capacity to make an informed decision. Don’t agree with feminism? You must be a misogynist. You don’t practice strict heterosexuality? You must be going to Hell. Don’t support affirmative action? You must be a racist. Don’t believe in my God? You must serve the Devil. There is no room for a making up your own mind, or taking on a new perspective in this world of sound-bites. You are either for or against. The campaigns we are faced with in the obvious future look pretty much like they won’t amount to more than a war of sound bites.

And that, my friends, is what really bites.

But hey, that is how the media sells itself. That is the way people Choose to think and work politics. Quick and dirty. And if you don’t like your choices, and you don’t want the headache, you can always just decide that there is no solution worth finding and wander off. No headaches. No fuss. No responsibility. No duty. The American Way, the easy, selfish way.

And that, my friends, is why they can get away with keeping politics the way it is: corrupt, screwed up, and media-driven.


Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:48:52 AM
IP: 1cust167.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Gyre: "Castaway/Canmore get it into his head that the true enemies are the fey" As Canmore's prejudice against gargoyles goes back a thousand years, and as he is a litle insane over gargoyles, I doubt that he would transfer his hatred for them quite so easily. Rather, he may decide that the fey are ALSO his enemies- that anyone who is not pure- laine human is the enemy, and his hammer would go from being electrified to being iron.

G"X"B:"sex is more taboo than violence" This maybe due to the fact that we like violence, and it is best partaken in with an entire mob behind us and a bunch of store windows to smash. We also like sex, though that we can hide behind closed doors. Just my thoery:)

"Christianity to Ireland": Though we lost some well- beloved things with the advent of Christianity (th' Host fer one, an many a good caillee), many other things (prizin' bein' edumacated, th' like o' a good beer, an' a fiery temper) important to the Irish people are not really attached to any one religion.

Sevarius Jr:"It kind of disturbs me that Klingon is such a popular language" So what if it's made up? It's fun, besides which, haven't _all_ languages been made up at one point or another? How else could they have come into existance?
So, made up languages disturb you, eh? I gather that you are not a programmer...
You find it odd that someone would spend so much time and effort into learning a made up language... People find time for what they want to do. Perhaps those people just want to add a little realism to their fantacy world. How different is learning the Klingon language to some of the stuff we do with the Gargoyles?
I'm sorry if I am comming down a little hard on you, I just can not understand what part of it disturbs you, and am stating my reasons.

Shadowrider:"...just squashed four nuns!" LOL.

Warpmind:"do the math" O...K..letsee, 60 over 4500000 is as to an unknown portion of 100... that would mean the lingusts need to convert only 229494100 more people (aprox.) to their side! Warpmind, get your sword. ;D

Lions and tigers as pets? No no! (I believe others have made the point for me.) However _A_ Tiger is a very good pet, aren't you? You big cutie you! *the large marmalade cat named 'Tiger' purrs contentedly as Cyborg rubs him behind the ears.*

Time for my 3000 mile check- up, have fun everyone!
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:29:54 AM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

<>OFFICIAL CR POST!<>

Robby: <Not quite fair to the CR since Gorbash *STILL* hasn't updated the website so that everone can see them...>
Ok, here is the link to that page with the CR rules. (In Gore's defense, he has been busy. PLUS, he is thinking of totally re-vamping the site, and probally dosn't want to update a page that may not work in the future.

EVERYONE!!!

THIS IS THE LINK TO THE PAGE THAT HOLDS THE CR RULES!

FROM THIS POINT ON, IGNORANCE OF THE RULES IS *NOT* A VAILD EXCUSE!

So it has been said, so shall it be.
Fire Storm, Co-creator of the CR rules page
Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:15:02 AM
IP: t2-32.visitus.net

Katara: <*opens her MBoH and offers you a 20lb sledge hammer to "fix" your HD problems*>
If there wasn't a chance in hell I could get the info off it that drive, I would do it.

Green Baron: <How about Angela drinking spiked punch at Mardi Gras and trying to get beads :) >
Oh... I could just see the trio (Pre-"Turf" I think) :)

Warpmind: <He is now authorized to pilot any vessel along
the Norwegian coast>
LUCKY! Man... I miss the water...

Gside: <There are those who would say it was not a true loss and/or a cause for celebration.>
Some would, true, but I really liked some of them. It was definately good to hear some other types of music than the types I listen to.

Niamhgold: <Yes, another green advocate!>
I thought it would be nice to join in the celebration!
<Lex drunk...very interesting!>
Yeah, you should read those stories!
<Radio Station>
Don't think that radio stations wouldn't do stuff like that. WCSX (a local classic rock station) has a promotion called "Puck Naked" (No, not the fey :). They give some men and women 2 foam pucks to cover up with. Thats ALL they can cover up with. AND they have the naked people stand on one of the busiest intersections in the tri-county area for at least a minute.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:10:43 AM
IP: t2-32.visitus.net

Happy Get Drunk Day! If you're an Irishman, by now you should be in the early stages of alcohol poisoning and be unable to read the remainder of this post.

Bengal Tiger Update: Here's the latest mind-numbing news about this sad incident--the guy who owns the tiger says he's not going to get rid of it. He's gonna keep the damn thing. I don't know if the government can legally come and remove it, but I would think they can and will.

Gside: Speaking as someone who is currently majoring in Administration of Justice, it's a misconception that cops cause more trouble than criminals. The majority of times, the police officers do the right thing. However, that doesn't mean the next time you get pulled over for a routine traffic stop, you don't kiss ass. Just may get you out of a ticket.

Klingon: I don't know why, but it kind of disturbs me that Klingon is such a popular language. I mean, no offense, but it's a made up language based on a tv show that owes virtually all of its success to its firm place in pop culture. It's like that elven language Tolkien devised. You know that there are actually scholars who know and speak that Elf language fluently? No offense, but God, I'm a big geek, but even I don't have that much free time on my hands!

Patrick: Well, DAMN. Guess I got put in my place. Let me guess--in Austin Powers 2, you never laughed once when Fat Bastard walked onscreen. "Get in my belly!"


Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 11:43:22 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Hey all!
just wanted to say good night! Have a HAppy St. Patrick's Day!
silverstar
Friday, March 17, 2000 10:23:16 PM
IP: l3p10.dav.mother.com

Green Baron> The Onion Article> I've heard actual stats that say Klingon is the most popular created language in the world. There are more people speaking Klingon than speaking Esperanto. And I would be suprsied to find it surpassing a dying languae like Navajo...sad, but not to be unexpected.

One person told me this story about a Japanese Trekkie who came to America for a convention. At the airport he ran into a kid who was wearing a shirt that said "I speak Klingon" and he then came up to the kid and started a conversation. The Japanese man, did not speak any english, and the kid didn't speak any Japanese, but they were able to communicate through Klingon. It sounds to me like Klingon is acheiveing the goal Esperanto was created for; to allow people to communicate through a single common language.
Skippy The Klingon
Friday, March 17, 2000 09:37:52 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-08.ultravision.net

Christine > Don't worry about me... I'm taking it all in stride. And I haven't heard anything yet that offends me or changes my opinions. :)

Interesting that Robby brings up Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal"... I just went in search of a link to a copy of that this morning in response to some comments in another room. Kinda the "Soylent Green" of the 1700s in a way... it was a satirical political commentary.

Anyway, enough on that topic. Happy St. Patrick's Day, everyone!

:: runs out tossing pink hearts, yellow moons, green clovers, blue diamonds, and purple horseshoes everywhere ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, March 17, 2000 08:59:11 PM
IP: abd816b9.ipt.aol.com

Okay, the topic has come up of how exactly do I enforce the rules in here? The answer is, I follow the rules as they are stated. (Not quite fair to the CR since Gorbash *STILL* hasn't updated the website so that everone can see them...) But they basically say, "no cussing or overly zealous sexual content." Thats what gets enforced. Its basically the same rules the NPAA guidlines for movies have... Namely, gratuitous acts of violence and bloodletting are okay as long as there's no foul language or mention of sex. However, I don't agree with the NPAA and the violence level *IS* supposed to be kept down, I keep restating that the room is PG, and it slacks off to PG-13 again. (No one has consistently enough gone into R-rated discussion to merit banning) Its basically my judgement that counts in any given incident.

As far as eating gargoyles goes... Well, I've barely been in the room this week, and I just skimmed over that topic because it did not interest me. Generally, if there is a problem in the CR that I have not had time to read about, I have several friends who read the room that do. Not quite the case this time, however, I have a reason for not saying that in this case its a bad bad thing. Yes, eating gargoyles may seem sick to some, (And I personally find it to be such) but as near as I can tell, it started as an innocent enough question of "how would gargoyles taste?" That is harmless enough as I see it, seeing as how gargoyles are imaginary creatures that are somewhat animal like, Bronx in particular. But the reason I let this particular instance go by is due to my Honors English class. Has anyone else here ever had to read "A Modest Proposal" in English? That is all about canibalism, breeding human children JUST to sell and eat them, and says whoring is fully acceptable for the pourpose of breeding more food, YET its REQUIRED reading material for public high school English classes. I almost threw up while reading it, I was so nauseated. But, If the public school board, as stuck up as it is about violence and sex ENFORCES reading that, (Political statement of the times or not) I can't say that discussing, and NOT in a serious way, the eating of IMAGINARY creatures that have beast like qualities is breaking the rules? Sick? Yes. Do I want to read about it? No. But worse than "Modest Proposal"? Not even close, since the creatures are imaginary, and the topic is being covered in a lighthearted manner, and I hope not taken seriously. (Clearly one or two people are taking it seriously however.)

It seems to me that the topic *IS* gargoyle related, has SOME literary merit due to "A Modest Proposal", and doesn't break the given rule of no cussing or zealous sexual content. And ALSO note that these rules were put in place by DumlaoX back when he controlled the room, I have not changed them. If it becomes needed, I will repost the CR rules.

As far as this actual thread, it seems to have basically died at this point, but since several people are taking it very negativley, (despite discussions on religion and Nazis and such going previously without such problems) I must ask the entire CR to drop the subject. And in this case, I have to assert my authority some, I will. Talking about this topic any more in the immediate future is a banishable defense, and I am only giving two warnings to anyone who carries it on after this.
Robby the CR Admin
Friday, March 17, 2000 08:37:22 PM
IP: spider-we053.proxy.aol.com

Patrick- perhaps I was a little harsh- but I really did not like the use of the word "morality police" -- I think it at that point your arguement became little more than name calling. I, and I am sure others who objected to the sexual details being posted here- (not the posting of the announcement of the fic itself mind you)don't like being called anything like that. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I'm some bookburning morality police. I'm sure that probally goes for others too- I just didn't like the graphic details..
jenna
Friday, March 17, 2000 08:20:37 PM
IP: 1cust14.tnt1.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

Christine:> Well, maybe I'd be better to stay away from this particular discussion, but your one is a good point.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Friday, March 17, 2000 08:03:33 PM
IP: h213-18-164.mi2.albacom.net

Christine> *chuckles* true.. but it still applies - we're still discussing cartoons ;) and I *understood* what Patrick was saying too - just disagreed with his comparisons ;)
Jannie
Friday, March 17, 2000 08:02:26 PM
IP: 216-90-185-158.hou.port.mytelco.com

Jannie > LOL, but by that logic (it's okay to joke about eating gargoyles because they're not real), the same would apply to discussions of other things with gargoyles! ; )

Patrick > chin up, m'dear ... _I_ understand what you meant!

Update > what've I been up to? Wrote all my columns for Sabledrake in advance so I don't get startled by a deadline, am now working on doing the same for "A King for Hothar" (and any artists interested in doing some illos for it, please let me know!). Made a "Godiva Barbie," and I plan to post pix of her on my site soon; despite a near-mishap with her arms, she turned out damn good! Next big project is to get "Dark of the Elvenwood" ready to go to the printer; I still have to draw a map, and am waiting on the cover (heya, Spike!!!) and to hear back from someone I hit up for a potential foreword.

I watched "Labyrinth" today ... oh, sigh, oh happy sigh ... David Bowie as Arien if Arien ever went blond and dark-elven-punk ...

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 07:45:17 PM
IP: 05-042.009.popsite.net

Just had an idea. Castaway has by this time got to be getting the idea that he's been played for a sucker by the fey. It is even possible that Castaway/Canmore gets it into his head that the true enemies are the fey, not the gargoyles. Some story ideas there.:)
Gyre - [wseeley@epix.net]
Friday, March 17, 2000 07:21:42 PM
IP: fltg2-ppp27.fltg.net

Happy St. Patrick's Day ta ya all!

For the speacial occasion I'm writing in green instead of blue. I've been listenin' ta Celtic music, wearing green, and speaking with an Irish accent. My friends got tired of it though, so I stopped. But I can do a good accent, and surprisingly I can do a good Sean Connery accent. My family is Irish and Scottish (as well as German) and we normally go all out for the occasion.

David G.> <<One would assume that an Irish Pagan diety wouldn't be too keen on a holiday honoring the saint wo brought Christianity to Ireland>> I would havta' agree with ya. I would be kinda' ticked if someone changed faiths' on me. (If I was a Pagan diety is what I mean)

Green Baron> A priest huh? I've never been really big on religion, but a priest would be a nice job. Of course I couldn't be one considering the female factor that I have going for me. :p Are ya' still planning on being a priest?

<< How about Angela drinking spiked puch at Mardi Gras and trying to get beads>> *blinks* WHAT? (laughs hysterically)
I could never actually see that happening, but I just got this mental picture in my head. (laughs some more)

Okay nuff o' that. (shakes head) You guys have the craziest ideas, but they are funny!

Well, I have some exciting news. Well to me anyway. We are getting a Wicca store in my town about mid-summer! I can't wait for it to open because the nearest store with any thing of that nature is about an hours drive from my little town. I'm going to be spending a lot of money there, I'm sure of it!

Well, luck o' the Irish be with ya all! Have a happy green day, and don't get to drunk on all those green beers! Wouldn't want any accidents or ya doin' something ya might regret, eh?

Lots o' luck ta everyone! Bye!
silverstar
Friday, March 17, 2000 07:15:38 PM
IP: l4p31.dav.mother.com

Wont be here for the weekend- and haven't been here all week- so that explains my absence. Been very busy with stuff and getting a computer up and running for my in-laws-- so they too can get into the information age.

I will have a lot of stuff coming out soon- Misbegotten Son is in the last editing phases. Also Shauntell's original story and her drawings will be up soon.

Eating gargs-- oo- how horrid. The idea of being consumed, gargs or no- I think is a primal fear everyone has--

BTW- Patrick- I think Jannie has the point- and not everyone has been here- btw- so don't congratulate yourself too much for being so much more sophisticated than the rest of us "morality police"- you just might get a superiority complex--

Ah, sarcasm in the afternoon--sorry, you asked for it.

Now can we close this blasted pandora's box, please?



jenna
Friday, March 17, 2000 06:01:04 PM
IP: 1cust187.tnt2.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

** Niamhgold comes in, decked out in Celtic-style garb, a leprechaun's hat with a Celtic cross and matching ones on her shoes, and tosses out four leaf clovers to all **

Uh, this should be kinda interesting. In honor of the holiday, the local radio station created a parody called "Leprethong." All morning long, two of the (male) hosts *alledgedly* went out, bought a pair of green thongs, and proceeded to drive around looking for things to do. Now, mind you, they have snow boots on because there was 8" of snow on the ground, but nothing more than a thong, and they did everything ranging from getting people's cars out of the snow and walking into bars filled with joyous drinkers. Now, although I doubt it really happened...it just made today's drive a whole lot better to bear! :-}

Luck o' the Irish ta ya all!

Warpmind: <What is Lent?> Let me give it a shot--I may not be a by-the-book Christian, but my mom's a Catholic who still makes me follow through with half of the rituals. Basically, Lent is a period of 40 days (Ash Wednesday to Easter) during which a person gives up food or something dear to them for that amount of time in respect of the sacrifices Christ made for humanity (Note: don't give up something *really* dear to you...I gave up coffee, and boy am I missing those holy beans!).
You're also not allowed to eat meat on Friday's during that length of time...but the church made an exception because it's Saint Paddy's day and now we can all eat Corn beef :)

Green Baron: Angela spiked...actually, I _can_ picture that. Maybe the others aren't so innocent, after all :)
Long live the green! But do you have Celtic cross buckles on your little black shoes and a matching one on your hat? :)

Firestorm: Yes, another green advocate! Lex drunk...very interesting!

Maeve probably dresses in black for the same reason I'm sure my namesake Niamh wouldn't find humor in the situation. It's all about the Christian invasion.

But I try to ignore it and revel in the festivities instead.

Beannachtai na File Padraig oraibh!
(Happy St. Patrick's Day to you all!)

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 03:43:55 PM
IP: ncia126n.ncia.net

Hey ho!

Warpmind> Gawd I was kidding!!! You_did_get that didnt you!!! :P
Caliope
Friday, March 17, 2000 03:43:47 PM
IP: 136.145.70.210

Boy, I've been using a lot of green this week. And not all of it was intentional.

Green Baron> <<I didn't give up something so much as I am going to Mass Mon-Fri as well as Sunday, studying more, exercising, and praying my rosary every day>>: You could say that you are giving up your time.

Sev. Jr.> <<the best way to stay out of trouble is to stay away from the cops>>: I think that works for any city.

Fire Storm> <<I lost ALL of the MP3's I download from Gside too>>: There are those who would say it was not a true loss and/or a cause for celebration.

Jaden> <<parts that made you think>>: Yeah, like how can you tell if DNA is human by 5 bases or so?

Katara> <<the church will make an exception for tomorrow>>: I heard it's going by doiceses.

G"X"B> <<it's sad that we live in a society where sex is more of a taboo than violence>>: Blame the Puritans! (Ooh! Joyride opportunity!)

Green Baron> <<Top O' the Afternoon>>: And the rest o' the day ta ye.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, March 17, 2000 03:28:07 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Greg> One would assume that an Irish Pagan diety wouldn't be too keen on a holiday honoring the saint who brought Christianity to Ireland.

Maybe she misses the snakes, too. :)

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, March 17, 2000 02:59:00 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY!!!!

On this day Maeve wears black. Why do you think she does?

Did I ask this last year?
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 02:38:07 PM
IP: dialin-1047-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Happy St Patrick's day every one
sight Springbreak is coming to a close

BUFFY Rumours/Spoliers...
I don't know if you all know but one of the good guys is going to be Calendard
and the most likely canidate,I'm not sure but I think its conformed is...Joyce Summers
anorther rumour is Olivia,Gile's girlfriend, is a spy for the Watcher's Council
End BUFFY Rumours/Spoilers
now back to lunch
"Hmmmmm PETA...ahhhh"
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, FL, U.S.A
Friday, March 17, 2000 01:26:14 PM
IP: user-37kaoue.dialup.mindspring.com

*Warpmind enters.*

Alex Destine: Sorry, I am not on any sort of medication. I don't remember right now who directed me to that website, but I think it was one of the Callahanians. Believe you me, they're about just as sane as we are. :)

Lent: Okay, what is this "giving up things for Lent" stuff? Some Catholic thing? Memo to self: check dictionary for explanation on "Lent".

Jeremy: Glad you like my RP character. For a Holy Warrior, ask Kaioto. He's the Seeker.

Delphi: Oh, those idiots... the worst thing is, it's not the first time either of those events have occured...

Cyborg: Look: There are about 60 persons who want this language enforcement on the road. Norway consists of something like 4.5 million citizens. You do the math. I get my sword. ;)

Okay, I know the "eating gargoyles" subject is officially put to rest, but I can't keep this utterly bad joke away: "Canned gargoyle: A complete meal, with all the minerals a growing body needs!"

Green Baron: Yeah, the weapon legislation in Norway is a laughing matter. In fact, when I carry my sword cane, I am better armed than a regular cop. True: like bobbies, Norwegian police officers aren't allowed to carry firearms. However, they are allowed to keep'em in the patrol car. Thus, only outlaws are regularly armed. This, too, will change when I am in power here.

Fire Storm: Yup, I checked with my father, who just got his captaining exams. He is now authorized to pilot any vessel along the Norwegian coast, and within the territorial sea of just about any European country, unless I've misunderstood. The amount of GPS satellites is 24.

Caliope: Private jet *and* rocket ship? Cripes, does your family qualify as Filthy Rich, or something?

Sorow: Ovarian cysts? Getting rid of those would be "eggselent", wouldn't it? ;)

Well, I'm really a bit rushed now, and the RPG system I'm working on is hanging a bit behind due to a cold I've got, so I'll jsut cut my post off here, without the RP segment I'm pondering, and wish you all a continued happy St. Patrick's. :) Cheers!
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, March 17, 2000 01:21:29 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

<Shadowrider appears>


Green Baron:> Sorry, but I have not understood that comment about Louisiana. Anyway, in Italy thangs are not really bad nowadays. The current government seems to be composed by honest persons (I think that parties are not really important, what is really important is people in charge to be honest and competent), economics is getting better, and so on. Yes, we still have lively Parliament sessions, but nothing particularily worring. What really worries me now is the fact that many neo-Fascist groups are collecting increasing agreement across Europe. Even in Italy (and we Italians are supposed to know very well what Fascism mean-damn, Mussolini sent nearly 500.000 people to die in Russia-my grandpa's younger brother included) some neo-Fascist groups have been formed. I hope it is a passing cloud, but I'm worried.

Nun Jokes: LOL your one was nice. I'm glad you liked the ones I mailed to you.
Here's another Italian one:

Two truck drivers are travelling on their 18-wheeler one night somewhere in..er...Texas. One of them is driving, the other sleeps. Suddenly, the driver pokes the sleeper:
"John? John!?"
"Huh" John says sleepily "what's that, Vince?"
"How tall is a penguin?"
"What?!"
"I asked how tall is a penguin"
"A PENGUIN?! YOU WAKE ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THe NIGHT TO ASK ME ABOUT PENGUINS?!"
"There's no need to enrage,I just wanna know how tall is a penguin"
"But why in the world..."
Vince stops the truck and says:" I'm not gonna move a single step anymore until you don't tell me how tall is a penguin!"
John rolls his eyes and says: "OK, I don't remember exactly, but I think about one meter, one meter and twenty."
"Are you sure they're not taller? I dunno, one meter and a half or more?"
"I'm sure they don't"
"John?"
"Yes, Vince?"
"I think I just squashed four nuns!"

(I hope I translated it properly)

Japanese gargoyles:> Well, I'm not sure Japan is so secular...anyway, was actually Sata's attitude that made me wonder...

Demona Tainia:> Nice story! I laughed a lot. Anyway, I'd like we all to stop with this topic.

Skippy:> I've seen the Diabolik movie. The only common point between the comic and the movie was the character's name. It was a very boring movie, with just a few (unintentional) laughable moments. :P

Jewel:> Bengali tiger: Just a few weeks ago, in southern Italy, a man was found dead in his own house. He Had been eaten by his "pets" - including a lion, three tigers, a cheetah, two alligators and some others. Apart that in Italy owning such animals is a crime (and it is not clear how that man purchased them, I think keeping such fierce predators locked in small cages and pretending to treat them like small dogs mean seeking troubles.(I'm a member of WWF, so I think I'm a little biased about this topic)

Goodbye to everyone, see later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Friday, March 17, 2000 01:14:01 PM
IP: h213-18-122.mi2.albacom.net

RP WARNING!!!
The Catholic schoolgirl scouts wake up along with Attila. Attila is bound to a pole and unable to move or call for reinforcements, though he uses his tail to punch in two letters and press a red button.

Patrick Kennedy and Ted Kenendy both arrive wearing Orange sashes and are gloating at the five girls.

"Wearing orange on St. Patrick's day. You'll lose your bid for re-election if the voters find out," taunts Brigitte angrily.

"Well, girls. There's not much you can do about it. Beisdes, it's an order from the Orange Duke. They should be here in a matter of hourse. With the recnt Hollywood slayings, Attila's bounty now stands at $750 million. Plus you girls have a $75 million price on your heads. Thats over a billion to be made."
"And ah don't try for your rosaries," respondes Rep. Patrick Kennedy dangling the five out in the open mockingly.

All seems lost except for a green glowing in the bra area of each scout, which only makes both Kennedy men drool. They take out the green decades and combine them causing a string of five beads and a crucifix to appear at the center.

The girls point the green glowing rosary at Attila and he suddenly grows to the size of a Bengal tiger, destroying his bindings in the process.

"Dad, I thought you were going to check their bras."
"Well, I ah didn't want to set off tehir virgin alarms and wake them."
"That's a first for you.."
"Shut up and help me....arrah ackkkk!!!" The giant Attila locks his teeth onto Sen. Kennedy and starts playing cat and mouse with him. In a matter of minutes, Ted Kennedy's fat mutilated corpse is all over the walls and Attila stands up on his hindlegs holding the Senator's head in triumph.

Patrick Kennedy decides to run for it, but once he opens teh door, OJ Simpson appears and buries a knife in Patrick's head. He then grabs the rosaries and tosses them to the scouts, and throws Patrcik Kenendy's dying body into a wall. At the same time, Attila shrinks back to normal.

"That was quick OJ. Good thing I know the tail trick. Now, my bounty should be even higher, now that I killed a major Liberal icon."

"Forget about that, we didn't get any money and it's time to go back to Los Angeles and help the Ravens," says Ave Maria.

Angelica responds, "sacronize your rosaries. We arrive in arandom Catholic Church in Los Angeles in five, four, three, two, one.."

Attila and the scouts are gone, with their super powered rosaries.**
END RP!!!

Top O' the Afternoon, TGS Comment Room, and HAPPY ST. PATRICK's DAY!!!!

SJ> Well, the corruption is something I'm used to, especially since I don't go downtown too often. New Orlenas ahs been imporving, but we are still pretty corrupt, but we were much worse before Mayor Morial's reforms. In a few years, we'll be better than the LAPD :)

John Lennon and Vlad Lenin had similar ideals, too :)

Hopefully, Jewel's python isn't counted among those bad pets.

Fire Storm> <<Stories about tigers, lions (but no bears :) >> Oh my!! :)

<<Mainly because escargot is raw. Thats probally the only reason. >> Well, I think the fatc it's snails can upset some provincial types. I thought it was cooked. As for raw, steak tar tar does not agree with me.

Niamhgold> How about Angela drinking spiked punch at Mardi Gras and trying to get beads :)

Katara> Bishops are going to decide if it's okay or not for their own diocese. I think you told me you're not Catholic, so you're off the hook :)

Archwolf> As much as I love beef, I will adhere to Lent and have potattoes. Hopefully, i still have some green food dye at home :)

Janine> Actually, it would be cool to have a domestciated bobcat or cougar, but since they can't be, we shoudln't try to do that to them. I would love a big snuggly wildcat myself. I'd feed them PETA protestors and maybe a few convicts when the prisons overcrowd :)

Cyborg> Irish Coffee: I don't drink alchohol, but I love that cream in my milk :)

ERIN GO BRAGH!
(and death to Ian Paisley :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, March 17, 2000 01:06:13 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

apologies for the 2nd post, but I found the NAWA website! *happy feet dance* If you go to this site, have a box of tissues handy, there are some sad stories.
Jannie
Friday, March 17, 2000 12:59:46 PM
IP: 216-90-185-149.hou.port.mytelco.com

*Cyborg clogs in, wearing a green velvet skirt and a white blouse in place of her regular black, and raises her glass of Irish coffee in a toast to the room.*

HeHe, today is one of the only days I can get away with this, this early in the morning. *takes a big sip*

Real post later. ERIN GO BRAGH!
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Friday, March 17, 2000 12:04:44 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

Patrick> you stated,...."one little mention of erotica and they get pounced from all sides..." *raises eyebrows* It wasn't the announcement of a new erotic fanfic that caused the concern (and I believe that you already know this) but it was the follow up comments.
You compared the joking and humor of eating gargoyles to posting about having wet dreams and such ? *blinks*
I agree, some of the posts on eating Gargoyle was a tad much and caused some churning in my stomach.... but then I remembered that there are no such things as Gargoyles. They are not real.... it's a cartoon. So to even compare the two topics is fairly ridiculous, IMO.
I agree with SJ - lighten up ;)

Bengal Tiger: My heart goes out for the little boy who lost part of his arm - even though it has been reattached, it is not the same. One would hope that this would once again prove to people that wild animals can not be domesticated.
We have an organization here that is a refuge for wolves and wolf hybreds. Morons who have decided that wolves make cool house pets or watch "dogs" are sadly mistaken when they can no longer control the animal. So what happens to these animals? They are usually severely abused. When my son was choosing an Eagle project (Boy Scouts) we visited the NAWA refuge. (North American Wolf Assoc.) They are located in the boonies and far from civilization because of intruders and they have tried to create the most comfortable environment for these wolves and hybreds. Unfortunately, these animals are not allowed to roam free - they were not raised to survive in the wild. I was in awe at the beauty of such animal and was sad at the thought of these animals living the rest of their lives in kennel runs. The owner told me the story of each wolf - most brought tears to my eyes. Stories of abusive treatment and/or neglect - simply because the former owners could not "control" their unique "pet". NAWA survives only on donations. This married couple have dedicated to caring for these animals. The visit there opened my eyes to stupidity of people who take innocent wild animals and attempt to domesticate them. Being a canine lover, my heart was broken to see these magnificent creatures behind a chain link fence. I have seen the beauty of the Smokey Mountains, have breathed the fresh air from the top of Pike's Peak, felt the salt of the Gulf of Mexico on my face and yet have never seen such beauty as what I saw in the eyes of those wolves. I send monthly checks to NAWA to assist in purchasing food for them. They have a website that you can visit, read about the wolves and "adopt" one. I've lost the bookmark when I set up my new computer, but it was like NAWA.org - or something close to that.
Speaking of the tiger earlier.... I was driving down FM 2920 the other day, looked to the vehicle on my left to see an extremely large bengal tiger sitting in the passenger's side of a pick-up truck. I could have sworn it grinned at me too ;) Last year on FM1960 a young lady was cruising with a giant boa wrapped around her neck.... *snorts* and people make fun of my protective and bitchy chihuahua ;)

Thank you for those who expressed concern of my oral surgery. =) I forgot who asked "why 9?" (pain killer medication induced thinking right now) A combination of family history and the medications that I take... the teeth were breaking off without warning. I ate a banana once and spit out part of a tooth. O_O Healing is slow.
*kisses Denis for his patience and tolerance*

My new computer has a DVD player, so I stayed up till the 'wee hours of the morning watching 'Bats'. Decent movie, for the effect it was intended for. =) Actually spooked me a time or two and Denis came very close to receiving an early morning (for his time zone) phone call. *chuckles*

Last "offical" day of my spring break and I am finally feeling well enough to go out.... I hear the Woodlands Mall calling my name... *grabs checkbook and credit cards*

If you want a pet, check out the local SPCA and leave the wild animals in the wild - not in your backyard. ;)
Jannie
Friday, March 17, 2000 11:58:21 AM
IP: 216-90-185-149.hou.port.mytelco.com

*Staggers into the room, wearing green, carrying an Irish Flag and a Cornedbeef sandwich, and Warfrost follows, with Green dyed fur*
Whew...the drinking started EARLY here in Cleveland...6AM. It is now 11:05, and I am not quite drunk (have one class that I wanna goto, and understand)
Katara and GB>Katara's right...at least, as far as I can remember, Teh Chruch makes exceptions on St. Patrick's Day. And if not, well my mother is Protestant, so I can claim that I forgot which religion I was at lunch.
*Cocks his head, listening* OOps...gotta run..the Pipers are warming up, which means the parade is going to start soon

ERIN GO BRAGH!!
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 11:05:56 AM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Patrick> I agree with you completly. I think it's sad that we live in a society where sex is more of a taboo than violence.

Doug> I'll start reading Comatose this afternoon. Expect feedback soon.

Damn, I forgot what else I was going to say. Oh well, later all.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 10:35:30 AM
IP: 166.109.44.131

GB> Well good for you! :)

Joe> We were *talking* about ovarian cysts that have absolutely nothing to do with the "monthly visitor."
SOROW
Friday, March 17, 2000 10:09:53 AM
IP: dll2a020-0910.splitrock.net

Hey! * ^_^ *

Rodlox> It doesnt HAVE to be, but what it did remind me of was the anime manga thing, thats all.

Shadowrider> Its a marine base but its more or less the same buisness. Thanx for the coment tho, I didnt know about that. :)

Green baron> "Ther needs to be an alternative to killing innocents" Thats all I ask for hun! :)

Warpmind> Yes, private jet AND Rockett ship! :P

Mecord>"Biggest problem is, a lot of those non logical and rational people I think are in politics." Yes, that is the bigest prob., that and the fact that those same ppl are dictating what the final out come is. Thanx very much for your comment1 Helps alot! :)

Alex> HEY!!! That was mean even!....well...glad to be of help anyways!!! :P

Well, I should get! See ya guys! Thanks for all the responses! :)
Caliope
Friday, March 17, 2000 09:34:26 AM
IP: 136.145.70.217

Gside: "It's the pointy hair/ears thing." Actually when I mentioned that Meruru & Chibi-Usa might be similar I was aiming more toward attitude.
They're both so,... so... i-don't-know..... ;P
I think it's cause they're both so braty. ^_^
(well, they are!)
Meruru is always hugging Van & Chibi-Usa is always hugging Mamo-chan, & they both act like children. (in that lovable braty way! :P)

To Do list before TIMEDANCER III >
1) Going to Photoshop ^_^
2) being taken hostage back into Homework Land.
3) reading my Sailor Moon or OMG! manga <-- they're both so cute! ^_^

And that's about it.... for now ;P
Later people!
Alex Destine
Friday, March 17, 2000 07:40:21 AM
IP: proxy2.coqui.net

Christine > Yep... it's always lovely how over-the-top graphic descriptions of violence or even topics such as this cannibalism one are somehow accepted and encouraged in a supposedly PG forum but one little mention of erotica gets a person pounced on from all sides. I think this room's Morality Police really need to spend some time re-evaluating their own unique outlooks before attacking anyone elses.

SJ > I've GOT a sense of humor - and anyone who knows me knows how twisted it is. I wouldn't have made the comment at all if I wasn't truly distubed... so don't tell me how I should feel about it.

Oh yeah, one more thing... don't take the lord's name in vain in here... this is a PG room and impressionable 8 year olds are lurking.

:: sniffs the air :: Ah, I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning...

:: runs off to work ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, March 17, 2000 06:48:56 AM
IP: 98ab82a1.ipt.aol.com

Sorrow>> luckily for me, I wasn't allowed to eat or drink anything, not even water, since there was a chance of having surgery.

GB>> I'm not sure, but today at work, I was bemoaning the fact that I can't have corned beef tomorrow, and someone mentioned that the church will make an exception for tomorrow. *shrugs* Not sure if it's true or not but will be great if it is. *licks lips in anticipation*

Fire Storm>> *opens her MBoH and offers you a 20lb sledge hammer to "fix" your HD problems*

Well, that's all for me tonight. Catch everyone tomorrow. *goes off to finish dying clothes green for tomorrow*
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Friday, March 17, 2000 02:53:56 AM
IP: spider-wa082.proxy.aol.com

hey all. i saw pitch black today. it was pretty good, and i found many similarities to the original aliens movie. the funniest thing is that although SOROW wanted me to take her (really badly), i ended up seeing it with her brother and mother. (honey, i actually didn't know i was seeing it until we got to the mall. when i found out that the movie was pitch black, i said "uh oh, allison is going to be mad...") well that's all i can really think of to say at the moment. oh and i also got the transistor album by 311 today. it's good. i'll be working til 2 in the morning for the next two days, so i don't know if i'll have time to post. see ya guys!

SOROW: you and katara better lay off the "monthly friend" talk sweetie. you don't wand to start another rant war thingie in this room:)
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 02:16:06 AM
IP: spider-tn042.proxy.aol.com

Hey all. Just saw that "Mission to Mars" movie and all I can say it GO SEE IT NOW!!!!! It had funny parts, sad parts, and parts that made you think. Only part I didn't like was that one person died that really didn't need to.

Fire Storm><<Yeah, but have you tried it with a nice spaghetti sauce?>> No, but since almost everything tastes good it spaghetti sauce I'd be willing to try it.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 17, 2000 02:13:54 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Hi all! Well, my day was hell! How was yours?

<>WARNING! COMPUTER RANT!<>

Lately, my computer has been re-booting for no particular reason. It occasionally re-boots right in the middle of what I am doing. I have accepted this.

Today I found a 43meg file that I have been searching for the past 4 years. I found it and downloaded it without a problem. I was in the middle of another download when my computer rebooted. No problem, right?

WRONG! When the system came back on it wouldn't start. I thought it was just a glitch in the boot files, so I stuck in a bootable floppy and typed C: what happened next?
INVALID DRIVE (At that point I went catatonic for a few minutes)

Fdisk said my FAT32 drive was NTFS. NT said it was "Damaged or Unformated Partition."

I lost all of my e-mails from the past 2 months, and the WHOLE 200MEGS OF DOWNLOADS I DID THIS PAST WEEK INCLUDING THE FILE I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR SINCE 1996!, AND ALL of the TGS and Station 8 CR's that I was going to put in the TGS CR Archive! (NOTE: If ANYONE has the CR's from 1-17-200 to the present, please e-mail them to me)
(Oh yeah... I lost ALL of the MP3's I download from Gside too :(

At this point all of the data is TOTALLY unrecoverable. BUT my hard drive has bounced back before (This happened before. I waited a week and I got my data back. But this time...)

<>END COMPUTER RANT!<>

Green Baron: <I also like escargot which gets an even worse reaction than calimari.>
Mainly because escargot is raw. Thats probally the only reason.

Aaron: <when you get there say hi to Eisner for me.">
Yeah, I heard that too. I thought everyone in here would like that too!

Oh yeah! We arn't the only fandom to enjoy Greg Weisman. The Starship Troopers fandom recently did an interview with Greg and he even mentioned his Ask Greg on s8.org. Cool, eh?

Warpmind: <I think there are 24 GPS satellites in Earth orbit right now.>
Yeah, that sounds about right.

Niamhgold:<Lex, Broadway, and Angela are just too innocent.>
Although Spike did make it very convincing when Lex became a drinker in the "Angry Young Gargoyle" story arc of her own stories.
<You're right, garg meat *would* be expensive>
Probally more than $1000 for that dinner, probally somewhere like $10,000.
<Tomorrow's Saint Paddy's day! In celebration, I'll be writing in green. Will anyone join me?>
Sure. Why not?

Eating Gargoyles: I shall post my comment on this in the Adult Gargoyles Comment Room.

Jewel: <Now, what f***head keeps a 400lb tiger, anyway?>
Well, quite a few people actually. Stories about tigers, lions (but no bears :) being kept as pets pop up every few months here in Michigan.

Man selling his baby: As you have probally heard on CNN, there is a sick f@$% who was trying to sell his baby daughter for $60,000. The sicko even made a video trying to promote the child!
Oddly enough though, it is NOT illegal to sell your child in Michigan. BUT they are going to get him on at least child abandoment, which is a 10 year felony.

Attila: <For now, let's kill some PETA>
Would PETA be good on pita bread? :)
(Sorry, I just had to!)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, March 17, 2000 01:30:37 AM
IP: t2-35.visitus.net

just like to say that your site is the coolest and I tkink lexington rules
zekk - [zekk_86]
sydney, nsw, australia
Friday, March 17, 2000 01:19:58 AM
IP: sydnc01.bigpond.com

Me again ...

Pistoff > I just read your rant, and I'm sorry you feel that way; I feel that you've mistaken my motives for doing what I do but it is pointless to debate as we are doomed never to see eye to eye on this. I wish you well.

Christine
Friday, March 17, 2000 12:09:36 AM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Delphi > that RV sewage tank one is in the Big Book of Urban Legends ; )

Green Baron > Billy Joel! Yeah! Piano Man! Woo!

Katara > hope you feel better soon!

Patrick > excellent point; it's lonely sharing our pet peeve, isn't it? ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:52:32 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

A few quick replies tonight:

The Bengal Tiger: I heard about this. Guy had a Bengal tiger for a pet, right? To make an understatement, this goes under the heading of Very Bad Idea. There's a reason tigers aren't pets--you can't fully domesticate them. Hell, even dogs, man's best friend, go mental now and again, and we've had them for thousands of years as pets. I heard the guy say something like "the tiger played with our young daughter and she never got hurt!" Yeah, well, maybe now that someone's arm got ripped off, you'll wise up.
This is like those psychos who keep snakes as pets. I'm not talking about little boas or anything. I'm talking about the big-ass constrictors straight outta the movie Anaconda. I heard about this one snake--it got out of its cage. The owner went looking for it in the neighborhood. Suddenly, all the neighborhood pets started disappearing. They find the snake under someone's house, with quite a few Spots and Fluffys in its belly. In a just world, the owners of these monsters would be the first ones the animal goes for.

New Orleans: No offense to Green Baron, but if I *never* set foot in this town I won't be crying about it. I've actually seen videos in my Administration of Justice classes about how corrupt the police force is. And if I'm not mistaken, the tour guide for the city of NawLins says that the best way to stay out of trouble is to stay away from the cops!

Pat Toman: No offense but....Jesus Christ, have a sense of humor. It was a joke, and one that seemingly everyone was enjoying and understanding. Call it black comedy, but it was comedy nonetheless.

Beatles vs. Elvis: The King all the way. The Beatles are the epitome of the sixties, a decade I LOATHE beyond comprehension. Plus, most people don't know about Elvis....I do. No matter how many drugs the Fab Four took, no matter how many Blue Meanies, or yellow submarines, or lucy's in the sky with diamonds they all saw, they'll never compare to the sheer bizarreness that is Elvis Aaron Presley. He was undoubtedly the most f***ed up person in show business in his day. God, there is such humor in his life....

Katara: For what its worth, I'll be praying for you and your medical situation. I'm here for you, as are we all.

Rodlox: If you want the full Biblical story of Jacob and Esau, check out Genesis, chapters 25-27. The story of Jacob wrestling with the angel and his reconciliation with Esau can be found a few chapters forward in Genesis 32-33.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:44:55 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

**Attila the Hun pops in with a leg of mutton**

Anyone got any mint jelly :)

Warpmind> Take your time, buddy. I trust you. For now, let's kill some PETA

Church desecration> Heathen barbarian I may be, but even I know its bad luck to desecrate a Church. The stars have it in for them now.

Firestorm> Yep. I posted here long ago.

**Attila goes off to get some mead**
Attila the Hun
Las Vegas , Nevada, Joyride country
Thursday, March 16, 2000 09:38:48 PM
IP: 141.164.72.58

Hello all!!

Gside> Well, it does suck when St. Paddy's is on a Friday, but I intend to be having some potatoes, which are allowed, and I hope I can find soem green food dye :)

BTW, that also means we can't have leg of PETA tommorrow either :)

I saw the comic LOL!!

Skippy> Did you like the link?

Keenir> I also recall the horn thing doesn't really work, either.

Niamhgold> I'll be posting green and wearing it: Green suit, bowtie, vest. I wish I had some green socks :) Plus a celtic cross on my lapel :)

BTW, I don't think there are any Orange advocates in this room.

Silverstar> Neo-nazis are pretty nasty group. Luckily there aren't any in Loyola, though I remember soem group called Workers Against Capitalism and they went by WAC, which is pretty much my opinion of such a group :)

Where do you go to College anyway?

And I hope you don't date a boy like that. Of course, when I first met her, I was planning on becoming a priest and she knew that (obviously my plans have changed since then), so I don't know why she really agreed to go out with me in the first place.

I just finished my Spring Break. It is either during Easter week or Mardi Gras week, depending on how late Mardi Gras is.

Jewel> Bengal tiger pet sounds kind of cool, but I have no respect for anyone that would let his nephew get into such danger.

Patrick> Are PETA fanatics fair game :)

Doug> That's pretty sneaky :)

Zath> I never heard of anyone smoking them. They're served in a few restaurants in New Olreans but fairly expensive. I once had them home made for easter Dinner with Cherries Jubilee for dessert. That is a meal I'll always remember :)

I had them at one restaurant where they used too much garlic butter and it didn't taste too good afterwards. My date couldn't stand to see my eat them. Ain't that a laugh (and she was half-French)!! :)

Where ahve you lived that has been at such a low altitude?

BTW, your website says you haven't moved in yet.

Cyborg> Those were bad!! :) Delphi could give you soem hints in real groaners, though.

<<I thought alot of crime was caused by the police everywhere? *confused look*>> But New Orleans has the most corrupt police force in the US and probably everywhere short fo the Third World, though Louisiana is on third-world status, slightly ahead of Mississippi :)

Mecord> My school is having a meatout to promote vegetarianism. If I wasn't such a gentleman, Id show up at their meeting with a big steak sandwhich :)

Such vandals will pay one way or another. I would rather they atone before paying, though.

SOROW> Actually, I didn't give up something so much as I am going to Mass Mon-Fri as well as Sunday, studying more, exercising, and praying my rosary every day. I'll give up Ben and Jerry's.

Blue Caeru> A friend of mine who is a fairly good expert on Asia told me Japan was very secular generally. I admit there are soem who are very practicing in tehri faith. Los Angeles and NYC (and New Orleans to a lesser extent) are also pretty secular, but there are probably many individuals in these areas who are very religious and not just nominally registered to their faith.

Warpmind> That's all. BTW, I think it's ridiculous that concealed weapons are illegal in Norway. Law abiding citizens should be able to defend themsleves, especially when we're talking about a melee weapon like a sword cane.

Aaron> Yes, I'm sure they would force lions to be vegetarians :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, March 16, 2000 09:14:34 PM
IP: 141.164.77.127

F@#k the bruins they suck ass.Because of them smackdown has been postponed untill after there crapy hocky game.I hope that both teams die in a freak fan riot.....or in some other horrible way.If you smell what this garg fan is cookin!DRUNK GARGOYLES<<:Every one enjoys a drink here and there so i could see Goliath getting drunk.As a matter of fact i always invisioned Hudson tipping back a few while he watched tv or before he'd go on patrol.Then again i could invision any body drunk the Pope,the Devil or even GOD.What else...what else..ohh my character bio will be posted after smackdown. peace
Jeremy - [www.Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 09:04:34 PM
IP: xcom-79-220.mdc.net

Hello again!
I was just wondering, since the third season of Time Dancer was starting again, when will the others start?
I was just wondering because although I really like Time Dancer, I like the other series as well. So if you have any idea when they will begin to, uh, could ya' tell me?

Thanks, bye!
silverstar
Thursday, March 16, 2000 09:00:04 PM
IP: l4p46.dav.mother.com

Aaron> <<the higher-ups don't like heroes>>: Ah, yes, didn't he attack on Wednesday or something like that...

Green Baron: I just thought of something. We can't have corned beef tomorrow. I like corned beef!

Alex Destine> <<She remainds me of Chibi-Usa from Sailor Moon for some reason>>: It's the pointy hair/ears thing.

Niamhgold> **Censored proof of the nature of gargoyle meat**

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, March 16, 2000 08:13:48 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Robby<< Say, has Saban been joyriden yet? If not, Saban must die when HFIL opens up in the RP...>>

Actually, I was doing a Saban Joyride a while back. Iguess I might have to resume that sometime in the near future...]

New Fox Cartoon Diabolik> There was a Dino De Laurentis movie back in the 60's or 70's about the character as well. The movie's biggest distinction is that it was the final film shown on Mystery Science Theater....

Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:59:08 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-28.ultravision.net

Rhino Horns in use: horns of the Indian and African Rhinos are used for aphrodesiacs {southeast asian and chinese are the more common - though not the only - buyers}....the g.b. of bears is also used for that.

Keenir - [ ]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:57:14 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Oh, and one more thing...

I, too, shall drop the eating gargoyles subject.

Goodnight
Niamhgold
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:45:37 PM
IP: ncia78n.ncia.net

Doug: Just read "Elysium;" great work, as usual! Interesting plot, as well, but...I'll just let everyone else get a chance to read it, too! :)

Rodlox: Knew you'd clear things up for me! Rhino horns as aphrodesiacs...what culture does that occur in? Must be an interesting group of people. Oh, and as for my obscure name...well, just mix the Celtic name of Mannannan Mac Lir's daughter with the color of her hair, and you have it! In fact, didn't Niamh have a cameo at some point in the TGS Ragnarok? She was evil then, I believe :(

Doug: While *I* wait for Timedancer, I'm gonna draw things that have no purpose in this universe! Ha-ha!

Oh, and get ready for Saint Paddy's day! Gawsh, I love green! (Sorry for all those who advocate orange!)

Bengal Tiger: I heard all about that on the news, and I gotta agree, that's one of the most un-bright things for someone to do! Does anyone know if the boy lives with his uncle? Because if he doesn't, then I think one of his parents should have a *long* talk with their brother...

Hasta Manana!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:43:47 PM
IP: ncia78n.ncia.net

Hello!

I am so glad that it is Thursday, but I really want it to be FRIDAY! Oh well tomorrow IS Friday and tonight is SMACKDOWN. I didn't watch it last week and I know it's sorta' a dumb show but some of the guys are cute and the one's that you hate get their butts kicked!

Cyborg> You don't get Spring Break? That is just cruel and unusual punishment! If I didn't get Spring Break I would go nuts.

On the Subject os Spirng Break my best friend will be coming up for it. I am so happy because I havn't seen her since the 7th grade! (grins)

SOROW> Ya' know something, I could actually image your dream! That sounds like it would be funny. I think I actually read a fanfic like that, but instead og the Gargoyles and TMNT, it was the Biker MIce From Mars and the TMNT.

Green Baron> It most certainly sounds like the girl had issues! Hope I never date a guy like that.

******RANT******
Okay have any of ya' out there ever had a Neo-Nazi person on your campus? Well, we had one and he openly expressed it. Last year he graduated, and recently I saw him again. I was so angry with that I guy I almost went over and hit him in the face! I HATE ignorant people! I wish I could just change their minds or beat the c$@p outta' them! Sorry just had to vent that!
******END RANT******

Well, bye ya'll!
silverstar
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:40:10 PM
IP: l3p40.dav.mother.com

as the person who initially brought up the quesiton of diet, i must insist: eating gargs must die!!

okay, did that sound wrong?

let's just let the matter drop, okay? if there's anyone who wants to continue it, email me privately, and we can form a Discussion Group for that and such topics. okay?

thanks to YOU ALL!!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:31:56 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Ugh. Just skimming some of this stuff in here is making me physically ill. How this "eating gargoyles" topic is any more appropriate to the ratings level of this room than the few "adult" comments that were made the end of last week is totally beyond me... but I really think it needs to end now. The degree of separation between this topic and an all-out discussion of the pros and cons of caniballism is so infinitesimal that I can't stand to read any more. Yes, gargoyles are imaginary sentient beings... but they're sentient beings none the less, and too close to being human for the purposes of this line of discussion. And they way some people have expounded and expanded on this... I'm sorry, it's just... very, very distubing.

:: exits to find something to settle his stomach ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:24:11 PM
IP: abdf79ca.ipt.aol.com

Black dusters: If it wasn't for the fact I think I'd look silly as hell in one...

PETA: These people frighten me.

Scary news of the day: Some freak in Texas has a 400 lb *BENGAL TIGER* for a pet. He keeps in in a cage. His *three-year-old* nephew toddled over to the cage, and stuck his arm in...and promptly got the arm ripped off at the bicep. Doctors were able to reattach the poor kid's arm, but they don't know how much use he'll have of it.
Now, what f***head keeps a 400lb tiger, anyway? Bigger question--what f***head lets a *3 year old* near the cage unattended?!!? God, people are stupid.

Eating Gargoyles: Mmmm, just like chicken. Aside from those yukky bits of rock if you eat it after sunset...

Anime: They're translating Escaflowne? Nifty; I've heard good thigns about it. They might not need to translate it, since a dubebd version is already available on tape. <sigh> No such luck they'd do "Fushigi Yugi" or "Neon Genesis Evangelion."
<gets nudge from chibi-Miyu>
...Or "Vampire Princess Miyu."
jewel
Thursday, March 16, 2000 06:46:17 PM
IP: atlnb211-38.splitrock.net

Begin Shameless Plug:

Suggestions for Things We Can All Do While Waiting for Timedancer:

1. Get caught up on the CR (always a good idea, I'll do it myself tomorrow before I go out to see The Exorcist).

2. Watch TV programs that could be boring and will also probably be reruns. :(

3. Read the story "Elysium," written by yours truly, proofread by Kit, and now posted at gargoyles-fans.org.

Anybody thinks of something else, feel free to add it to the list. :)

End Plug!
Doug Elder - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 06:35:24 PM
IP: pool-209-138-201-211-dlls.grid.net

Zath: note: you're not supposed to let people know that! after all, everybody _knows_ that seven of the eight babies get eaten by the BloodPriest.


. "I would rather see a purple wingfinger than be a purple wingfinger. I should write that down..." -Arbitrator Of The Sequence.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 06:07:40 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Zath: Hahat[or] pas da dan, my friend!
. ps: it's _Quintaglio_. you're talking to someone with autographed copies of R.J.Sawyer's work.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 06:00:55 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Fire Storm> <<FINALLY! Someone with taste! :) >> Taste perhaps, but not good table manners. I like getting the baby calamari so I can play with the little tentacles before I eat them. The rings cut from larger squid just aren't as much fun... : )

Green Baron> <<I also like escargot which gets an even worse reaction than calimari.>> It's been a while since I last had snails. They're nice with thick butter sauce, but they're revolting when they're smoked. <<I've spent my whole life living five feet belwo sea level. How far down were you?>> On average, I'm a little higher than that, but I've been down to below -130ft (although that probably doesn't count, because it was underwater, not on dry land).

Delphi> <<"Yes, Officer ..... that's her. That's the lady I stole the purse from.">> *LOL* <<trying to steal gasoline and plugged his hose into the motor home's sewage tank by mistake.>> Sadly, I've actually heard that happens rather often, all things considered.

Rodlox> <<and i thought i picked obscure names>> What's so obscure about the name of the Qunitaglio governor of the Edz'toolar Province, brother to the emperor, Dy-Dybo?

Wilek> For the Nereus Project, if no one's claimed it yet, can I have California, please? I've decided the place amuses me...

Eating Gargoyles> I always imagined they'd taste more like alligator, similar to chicken but with a stronger flavor and tougher meat. If they tasted exactly like chicken, you might as well go and eat a real chicken and save yourself the trouble of capturing a gargoyle. Also, chickens are less likely to seek revenge for their fallen comrades, so unless there was something *really* special about gargoyle meat, it would be easiest to just leave it alone.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 05:56:53 PM
IP: h1-161.viptx.net

BAD JOKE WARNING:
Descartes walks into a bar. The barkeep asks him "whats your poison?" Descartes replies, "I don't think..." *puff of smoke* he disapears.
END BAD JOKE

Beatles vs. Elvis: Some Beatles songs are OK, but I prefer Metalica.

Warpmind: I'm glad the language thing is small right now (for you). Call me a pessimist, but I'd prefer to prepare for the worst. One strong voice against in the begining can avert a whole tongue- load of problems.

Green Baron: "It would be a different hierarchy though, with probable steps involving religion, money, and race as well as language." I know I dwell heavilly on the language problems in Qubec, and they are typical of the worst of them, but, untill recently, the church was a huge force in the politics here, money talks in every language, and race is a problem: after all, immegrants (visible minorities) can't speak french properly. (yeah, right)
"in New Orleans, a lot of [crime] caused by the police" I thought alot of crime was caused by the police everywhere? *confused look*

*Cyborg leaves the CR in a haze of confusion, on her way to a 3000 mile check- up*
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Thursday, March 16, 2000 05:25:34 PM
IP: 198.168.52.110

**Mecord rides in on the back of a wingless green dragon.**

Rainforest dragon, hard to fly under the canopy so no wings. Hi all. Can I just say that Spring Break is exhausting! Not that I’m complaining mind you, it’s infinitely better than classes. Anyway, here’s a few things to throw in the mix.

Cartoons> Does Cybersix have anything to do with Cybernine? Cybernine was just getting interesting when it disappeared. About Gundam Wing, I missed a whole lot, can someone give a brief synopsis of the plot thus far?

Music> I like a wide range, some Beatles music is okay, but Elvis? No thanks.

Gside>> I wouldn’t say you’re the *only* living fan of Baron Munchausen. Looks like we have a crowd of them in here. Afraid I haven’t read much. Great Film. I also remember an animated version, I think it was HBO a long time ago. Hmmm…. *Thinks of interesting crossover possibilities between a certain long nosed Baron and Gargoyles.*
Favorite quotes from the movie:
“Long live the head; the body is dead! Ooooh I got an ich… My kingdom for a hanky. Aaachooo!”

“She said a lock, not the whole bloomin’ carpet.”

Zath>> <I was perfectly clear headed the entire time as they banged my head up and down on the seat back and smeared my own blood all over my face, playing Kenny G. the entire time. > Oh the Horror!! :(

Demona Taina>> Welcome back. I wasn’t here five months ago so allow me to introduce myself. I am Mecord Lein, Elven representative from the world of Magia. By the way, maybe you should tell that person about the British Gargs that have feathery wings like an angels.

Caliope>> <I concidered the US ppl pretty logical and rastional and if they new the truth they might not like was the learned.> Um… *some* US ppl aren’t so logical and rational. I think your right though, I don’t think too many of the general populace know much about that situation. Biggest problem is, a lot of those non logical and rational people I think are in politics.

Green Baron>> I think that any vandalism in or at any religious site, is a direct offense to God. Even if people don’t believe in a God, trying to destroy that belief in others seems to me, one of the greatest infringements on freedom there is. Well, even if the Police don’t do anything, they’ll get their just reward. *chuckles maniacally* <What shoudl PETA be called?> the other red meat. :) PETA, it’s what’s for dinner.

Delpi>> HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahhahaaaahahahahahahahaha*Gasps*
Hahahahahahahahahaahaha!

**Exeunt stage left**

Mecord
Thursday, March 16, 2000 04:59:09 PM
IP: usr29.mtwest.net

Gargs Food:
. Niamhgold {and i thought i picked obscure names}:
.... <<What would happen to the wings? Or the horns?>> probably what happens with rhinos: horn is used as an aphrodesiac in some countries/cultures. {which might lead to gargs being killed _just_ for their horns}. as for the wings, i don't think the fins of sharks {or swallow nests} have much protein, yet they're both popular dishes!

as for if their {gargoyle} meat would be white, that would probably depend on: 1) what body part it came from, 2) gargoyle evolution. after all, i think someone {off of this list/room} said that slugs were the Yellow Meat, something else is the Gray Meat, etc...

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 04:13:08 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

HI all, I missed visiting in here, hopefully RL will calm down around home. I just havn't had much PLAY time lately.

anyway, just stopped by to say hello, it will be a bit before I can catch up on the room....but who brought up EATING GARGOYLES!!! ick ick ick that would be like eating a freind!

well this just wouldn't be a complete post without something funny, so here are a couple from my collection...these are suppose to be true events:

>NEW YORK IDIOT
> > As a female shopper exited a convenience store, a man
grabbed her purse and ran. The clerk called 911 immediately and the woman was able to give them a detailed description of the snatcher. Within minutes, the police had apprehended the snatcher. They put him in the car and drove back to the
store. The thief was then taken out of the car and told to stand there for a positive ID.

To which he replied "Yes, Officer ..... that's her. That's the lady I stole the purse from."
> >
>SEATTLE IDIOT
> > When a man attempted to siphon gasoline from a motor
home parked on a Seattle Street, he got much more than he bargained for.
Police arrived at the scene to find an ill man curled up next to a motor home near spilled sewage. A police spokesman said that the man admitted to trying to steal gasoline and plugged his hose into the motor home's sewage tank by mistake.
The owner of the vehicle declined to press charges, saying
that it was the best laugh he'd ever had. (I'd be laughing too!)

Have a good day every one and catch you all next time
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, ID
Thursday, March 16, 2000 04:06:48 PM
IP: twin6105.magiclink.com

SORROW<<:Yeah the song is kinda gay{so is the guy who sings it}.However if u put the song on while you are drinking with some chicks the thong's start showing up everywhere.WARPMIND<<:The character discription sounded pretty damn phat.I liked the heaven and hell sh!t it sounds sorta like spawn.I to have a character like that but he doesn't keep the balance.He is the chosen one who must save mankind from satan himself.Almost like mighty max or.......something.BEATLES AND ELVIS<<:The beatles are all right but elvis is a big fat gay bastard.Anyway i perfer the one and only 2PAC Shakure."I'm a badboy killa murder mother f@#kers daily know the feds trail me so my alias Makaveli gettin lesons from n!$$az in penatentureees game when applied help me survive several centurieees...}.Look for a character bio tonight....i promise.Well peace out peeps.
Jeremy - [www.Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 03:50:50 PM
IP: xcom-79-119.mdc.net

**Enter Niamhgold**

Ah, just came from Work, the Eternal Black Hole. It's sucking the life-force outta me at an incredible rate.

Todd Jensen: *Snicker* Goliath drunk is an idea I've toyed with, but, of course, it's somewhat unfeasible. AFter all, I figure that with his body weight it'd take a _whole_ lotta beer or whatnot to get him tipsy. And, even then, he'd turn to stone and wake up just dandy. The cure to all hangovers.

But Brooklyn? Oh, yes, I can picture Brooklyn getting drunk! Even after Timedancer, though, there's _something_ that makes me feel like he'd still go out and do that every once and a while (or maybe that's just me _hoping_ he'd still act young and reckless :) Oh, and Hudson, two. Demona? Perhaps. Lex, Broadway, and Angela are just too innocent.

Eating Gargoyles: *Would* they be the other white meat? I'm not so sure that their meat would be white. Rodlox, any ideas?

Demona Taina: *LOL* Nice story! You're right, garg meat *would* be expensive. But I bet it'd give several bounty hunters a job (Pictures everyone from Jackal and Hyena to Vinnie as bounty hunters (;) Personally, I couldn't eat them. AFter all, don't you think there'd be a lot of wasted parts? What would happen to the wings? Or the horns?

And if we did start eating them, doesn't anyone think Demona might get revenge by doing the same thing to us?

And if we killed and ate Demona, how would the immortality spell work then? I'd be interested in how the Sisters would get around *that* one ;-}

Dennis Miller Live: Man, I *usually* watch the show, but The Eternal Black Hole now controls my life.

Lent: I gave up coffee. Co-ff-ee. *Why* did I have to give up *coffee*?

Tomorrow's Saint Paddy's day! In celebration, I'll be writing in green. Will anyone join me?

Oh, and yesterday was the Ides of March. Missed that one.

I'm the holiday queen!

See ya!


NIamhgold - [niamhgold]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 03:37:18 PM
IP: ncia112n.ncia.net

Gside: isn't the translation for senshi "soldier"
u know, like Bushido Senshi Sailor Moon :P "Soldier of Love" and God knows what else ^_^

Caliope: of coure u were my inspiration! I just thought, "What would Cali do?" AND THEN DID THE OPPOSITE! So u see, u were rather useful :P

Warpmind : ok man! that site u posted was just plain weird!... I mean, not the just usually weird, but the REALLY BIG weird! .... are u under some sort of medication?
I'm asking cause whatever it is, I want double!! ^_~

Escaflowne on AMERICAN tv: NO freaky way!!!!
I'm amazed! and it is true that we probably do have Pokemon to thank for FOX being adventureous enough to bring more anime.
Hey, if such "more serious" types of cartoons start to boom around here, could we have Disney bringing back Gargoyles?... u never know. ^_^ it could happen!

I've already seen Escaflowne, for those who haven't let me tell u, it's amazing!! ^_^
*avoids kick by Caliope* AAhh!! I'm sorry, I'm sorry! :P
And Meruru (the main kitty girl) is the cutest most adorable thingie!! She remainds me of Chibi-Usa from Sailor Moon for some reason :P

ok, I'm outie! ^_^ (and for a while anyway, I've escaped Homework Land!!) YEY!!! ~_^

Alex Destine
Thursday, March 16, 2000 03:29:38 PM
IP: 136.145.83.177

Just had to jump in ...

Green Baron> Japan is a very secular country? Hmm, I don't get that impression because it seems to me that they still practice several of the old rituals relating to ancestor worship and some Zen Buddhism. I suppose some of it can be considered superstitious-tradition-out-of-habit sort of things, but then again it can be hard to draw the line between religion and culture (if it can be drawn at all in certain situations). Am I making sense? <:-/

Gargoyles as food: Well now, that's an interesting...idea. :-P I don't think I'd feel comfortable hunting down and eating such sentient creatures - they're practically human.

TimeDancer: March 23? Wonderful! :-D I've been looking forward to this, plus it'll tide me over until TGS is back.

Politics: Wait, I don't want my brain to explode.

How is everyone doing? :-) The only major life event I've had lately is the amputation (;-) of ten inches of my hair. What can I say, my life is very mundane.
Blue Caeru - [<-- really really wants to attend G2000]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 02:34:49 PM
IP: smathersl1.uflib.ufl.edu

Gside> Yes, if I'm remembering right he's toward the beginning, and he's another errand of the guy who's after the Baron. Apparently he did something heroic like capturing an enemy fort single-handed or something. And the higher-ups don't like heroes, so they're putting him to death. (I think one of my favorite parts in when the stone statue of Death comes to life. Very scary)

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, March 16, 2000 02:16:27 PM
IP: ppp-243.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

*Warpmind enters, laughing.*
Okay, guys, click my name for a DISTURBING(!!!) website.

Caliope: Ooo, you have a private jet? You're my kinda gal! ;)

Fire Storm: Ok, ok, I can believe it. By the way, for completely certain location identification, the GPS system requires direct line-of-sight to three satellites; I think there are 24 GPS satellites in Earth orbit right now.

Green Baron: It's bad, but very locally. Maybe ten or twelve blocks of Oslo, less in the other cities...

Cyborg: This language enforcement is still such a minor movement, I doubt I need help to stop it. Just a .44 Magnum...

Gside: It's an ocarina. And, no, it's the higher notes. :( As for a translation of "senshi", well, I guess (mark I use the word "guess"!) it means "scout"...

Later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, March 16, 2000 01:33:53 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Munchausen: I was mostly saying that it has been relegated to near obscurity by executives, so it is rare to find someone else who has even seen it. But then, a good percentage of the people in here tend to have similar outside interests, so it is not truly surprising that there are other fans here.

SRS JR.> <<Sentai>>: Random question, what is the translation of "senshi"? (if there is another allophone of s/sh...)

Zath> <<the best scene in [Predator]>>: Actually, I support The Amazing Reversing Scorpion.
mp3: Sorry about the remus. It's the Comp. Sci. department's server, so it isn't really meant to be a web-type server. Also, it would either be remus or eden (general server), and eden probably isn't much better.
Hidden Williams: I was just saying that his name was not attaced to the movie. He was billed as Ray DiTutto.

Warpmind> <<There's just one or two notes I lack to be able to play that melody... annoying>>: Well, if it's low notes, you could probably do something like the way I get low A on my sax: modify the airway. To get low A on a sax, you need to put your leg over the bell (mostly), so you could probably put your other hand (I think it's free) over the out hole.

Aaron> Sting: Apparently he was a Heroic Officer, but I just can't place him. Was he near the beginning?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, March 16, 2000 01:24:56 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

[slaps evil typo]

Tough, not touch.
Forth, not forh.

And when I said "MEET"... hehe, did you get it? "MEET"! HAHAHA!!!
Demona Taina - [Demona's Clone]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Thursday, March 16, 2000 01:12:18 PM
IP: 63.91.204.67

On the topic of what Gargoyles would taste like:

Well, Hyena herself said that Gargoyles would taste like chicken. I doubt it, though. Gargoyles are much too touch and have too much muscle, it would just be too hard to chew.

But, well, let's use the imagination here, not logic. :P Picture yourself going to a restaurant. You bring your fiancee along, you pull her chair, then be seated yourself. You are given the menu.

"Gargoyle ribs, gargoyle chunk of tail, ear of gargoyle, toungue of gargoyle..." and so, and so. You think it'll be pretty good, so does your fiancee. You order Gargoyle ribs, your fiancee orders chunk of tail.

You are given wine and bread until your order is ready. When it finally arrives, you stare with great pleasure at the huge chunk of meat. Your fiancee says that it smells good, you agree with her.

You put your napkin on your lap, so does your fiancee. You take the fork, and the knife, and make an attempt to slice the meat. You don't seem to be able to slice it a little. Your fiancee stares at you, and you just give her a nervous smile. After a few seconds of back and forh slicing, it finally gave up and was sliced.

You decide to take the fork and stick it to the meat. It barely went through, but it did. You lift the piece of meat and bring it to your mouth. Your fiancee is just staring at you. You look at her, nod with a nervous smile, and bite the meat.

You are able to get your teeth to grab the meat, then you force your mouth close, biting into the piece of meat. You chew for a few minutes, then finally swallow. You have to grab the glass of wine and drink to get that chunk of meat down your throat, but you managed it. Your fiancee starts on her chunk of tail.

It looked delicious, it smelled delicious, but didn't taste that good. You say to your fiancee: "That was some rough meat, huh?" Your fiancee looks at you, smiles and goes back to slicing her meat. You really don't like it, and start to think that she's some kind of cannibal. You push it away from you, and wait for your fiancee to finish. Meanwhile, you drink wine to get that chunk of meat down your throat. Maybe you just think it's there, but maybe it's not. You realize that it can't hurt to drink wine, so you do.

You are brought the bill. You smile at your fiancee, and take the bill. "Gargoyle ribs, chunk of tail... wine and bread... $99.99."

You stare speechless. Is it really that hard to catch a live gargoyle? You finally make the chef a check. You hear someone clearing their throat, and see the hand of the chef. You give him a ten dollar bill, and lead your fiancee out of the restaurant.

Now, what do you think of that? Eating gargoyle meat? Ugh, no. I'd prefer to MEET a gargoyle! :) Goliath, to be exact. It'd be hard to get him through the door, but hey, he's managed for as long as he's been alive, huh?

Okay, that's it. :P
Demona Taina - [Demona's Clone]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Thursday, March 16, 2000 01:08:49 PM
IP: 63.91.204.67

GB> Ohhh, well that makes sense! I'm celebrating Lent too. I gave up chocolate for my sacrifice, did you give up anything?

SJ> Just don't get fresh or I'll have to stab you with my wooden stake! ;) You'll see my picture soon after we hook up the scanner, and then you can decide for yourself.

Robby> Just stop teasing me okay! I can't take the pressure!

Jaden & Jeremy> I think it's one of the stupidest songs I've ever heard... but it's damn funny! I didn't know if they played it anywhere else.

Katara> ACK! An ovarian cyst? My mother (who's a med lab tech) thought I once had an ovarian cyst but it turned out to be a bad case of the cramps :) I hope you feel better and that the problem is fixed quickly. You're in my prayers. DON'T EAT THE HOSPITAL FOOD!! IT'S POISON!

Joe> Guess what I just found out? That $180 that I'll have to pay... was only an estimate. It'll probably be a lot more. *sigh* And just as I predicted, my dad is acting like he's my best friend... stage two!

cherry blossom> Are the prayers working for you? I hope everything is getting better. *hugs*
SOROW
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:38:40 PM
IP: dll2a010-0304.splitrock.net

Goodmorning all! (at least it is where I am)

CyberSix: I've seen the show once or twice, I find the plot a little thin (or maybe I just didn't see enough to understand the plot). However, I was impressed by the animation. I don't think that it is anime or manga, the lines and colouring are different. Is it Cinar? If anyone knows what it is, please tell me, it is driving me even crazier! Also, one of the landmarks in CyberSix's city is a gorgeous statue of an angel. Does that statue really exist, or is it a symbolic image for the show?
SHORT CYBERSIX- RELATED RP
Cyborg commandeers a huge crane to take the angel statue and, *ahem* _relocate_ it. CyberSix lands behind Cyborg and taps her on the shoulder.
"Excuse me, but what do you think you're doing with that statue?"
"Oh, isn't it beutiful? I thought I would put it on top of my bookcase."
CyberSix looks up at the several- story high statue. "I don't think it would fit..." She informs a crane- manipulating Cyborg.
"I have alot of books." She confides. Cybersix looks at her, and decides that she is dealing with a certified wacko.
END SHORT RP (I just couldn't resist;D)

Now on a more serious note...
Warpmind: My suggestion to you is, either take Norway for the Nereus Project before the Language Laws are passed, or organize popular resistance to it (letters to the editor, letters to the government, petitions(sp), etc.) and get your friends and familly in on it. I can send you information to support your case if you want. 'To protect the french language from being wiped out by english' was why they originally signed the Language Laws here in Quebec. Then came the legal racsism, and the fascism, and the...

Exin: Welcome back, you don't know me, I'm new here. "Wher' jenna and all i know?...this room's a bit boring" I'm sorry the people you were looking for are not here at the moment, but we are. Just to let you know, I was a bit upset at that "boring" bit. If you find a place boring, you can, IMHO, do two things: 1) you can leave that place for someplace less boring, or 2) you can liven it up.
By all means, do one of these two things, but please don't insult (I'll assume unintentionnally) people and expect that to help.

*Cyborg wanders off, looking for an inexpensive place to have her 3000 mile check- up, cranes cost alot you know.*
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:30:32 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

I keep meaning to mention this...

Did anybody catch last weeks ep of Dennis Miller Live? Kevin Smith was on, and the topic was religion. They got around to Hell, and Smith said something to the effect of "when you get there say hi to Eisner for me." which I thought a lot of gargs fans could relate to.

Demona Taina> Welcome back.

SJ> Vision of Escaflowne is.... complicated. I haven't seen much of it, but I know the bad guys have something like a fate manipulator machine, which they're trying to use to cheat fate. Plus, it has catgirls. I'm a sucker for anything with catgirls. ;)

Katara> Ouch. Hope you feel better soon.

Gside>Log me as another Baron Munchausen fan. And don't forget the cameo by Sting.

Robby> We've watched some Escaflowne at SAAS, so check the library next week.

GB> I'm sure PETA would protest the feeding of christians to lions.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:11:55 PM
IP: ppp-198.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

NO RPs until tommorow. Spacebabie's rosary should come in handy :)

Cyborg> I thought Canuck was just a derogatory term for French Canadians, like calling an Englishman a limey or a Frenchman a frog.

The phone thing strikes me as very odd and a cause for balkanization. As much as I support State's Rights, I think the Federal Goevrnemnt has to step in at times. I could see Louisiana becoem just like Quebec if things were handled differently two centruies ago. It would be a differnet hierarchy though, with probable steps involving religion, money, and race as well as language.

So fascism is commonplace in Montreal? That is frightening.

Rodlox> I recall the Scythians ate their dead.

Silverstar> Well, she was also a bit prudish and regretted kissing me, whenever we kissed, so she probably has a lot of issues to deal with. College will probably help her with them, I imagine.

Shadowrider> That explains it and I imagine you find all the talk of partisna politcial nastiness in the US laughable, considering what happens in Italy. I woudl hardly call that policy Libertarian. It sounds like soemthing out of Louisiana politics to me, only worse.

I liked teh nun jokes and I doubt they'd be too raunchy for the CR since their not descriptive. Here's an American one:

What's Black and White and Red All Over?
A Nun hit by an 18-wheeler

What's Black, white and laughing?
The Nun who hit her :)

Japan is a very secualr country, so the Gargoyles might not follow any religion by then, but the revival old tarditions may revive Shinto there. It seems Sata practcied Shinto in Time Dancer.

<<they're just vandals and criminals and deserve no consideration! Even calling them Fascists is too good to them!>>
Right On!!

Demona Tania> WB!!

Caliope> Well, that sheds light on it. I would say some things definitely need to stop, though I shouldn't form a decision until I hear both sides of the issue. Ther needs to be an alternative to killing innocents.

Joe Boxer> Did you see the fountain with all the Spanish Coats-of-Arms? I haven't been downtown in a while, but it is so nice to be able to walk 200 years in the past when you enter the French Quarter.

Skippy> I feel the same way whenever extreme conservatives go too far. It is a pity these disputes ever get worse than a McLaughlin style shouting match.

Click on my name for a story that should put you in good spirits :)

SOROW> I'm in purple because it's Lent. I'll be in green tommorrow, but just cause it's St. Patrick's Day :)

<<And don't worry, my dad always has an american flag stuck up his butt.>> Better that than a UN Flag :)

SJ> Don't forget Abraham's first son Ishmael who was posthumously made Father of Islam and later went whaling in New England :)

<<Gargoyle--the other, other white meat.>> What shoudl PETA be called?

<<I know, this was Canada, not the US, but still>> It's still close to home. Back in teh 1840s, Catholic churches were torched mainly to intimidate the Irish, but in this progressive age, many of these "open-minded" progressives are not at all open-minded and not too progressive. At least, we aren't being fed to lions again, yet.

Firestorm> Calimari is great, but I don't like any lemon on it. I also like escargot which gets an even worse reaction than calimari.

Beatles vs Elvis> Billy Joel :)

Baron Munchasen> Well, four if you include my Marketing Porfessor, Dr. Barnes. Five, when I actually read his stuff. I love that time period.

Zath> <<Sorry, but I've spent too much of my life living at or near sea-level to be able to do much of anything at those elevations without plenty of time to acclimate. >>
I've spent my whole life living five feet belwo sea level. How far down were you?

Warpmind> That sounds bad, but nothing compared to the crime in New Olreans, a lot of it caused by the police.

<<those Cubans will be something like a penny apiece. (Well, okay, more like a few dollars apiece, but still...)>>
They'll be cheaper in the US and especially once all tarrifs are abolished, but market demand will determine teh price most likely. Imports will cost a little bit more to pay for transportation costs :)

I'm off for now!! Pricing Class calls
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:01:19 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Warpmind: <Honestly, I have trouble swallowing that...>
Sorry pal. But it is radio waves.
You see, GPS satelites transmit a non-directional radio pulse every few seconds. Your standard GPS reciever requires a minimum of 2 or 3 satelites to pinpoint your location by detecting the time difference between the pulses.
BTW... Laser wouldn't go more than 100 feet and microwave wouldn't go more than 8 inches in water.

Jaden: <as for calimari I've tried that and guess what...ACK!>
Yeah, but have you tried it with a nice spaghetti sauce?

Zath: <Actually, I’ve been craving calamari for weeks.>
FINALLY! Someone with taste! :)
<Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, there's nowhere else I can put my printer and scanner at the moment, but I'll be sure to position them farther away from the monitor when I move into my new place next semester.>
Well, you can always place a sheet or two of heavy guage aluminum foil between your monitor and printer. SOMETIMES it works. Just make sure that it is grounded.
Fire Storm - [Night-flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:36:15 AM
IP: t2-38.visitus.net

Hallo to everyone!

Kitainia:> Sorry, I forgot to greet you yesterday. How are you? I hope you're enjoying your Spring Break (an American use that I always envied!). I've seen your character's description (and sketch) ; Very pretty, indeed. Beautiful eyes. (It doesn't mean the other parts are not ;)). About Timedancer...I agree with you! Another six days of waiting is too much! I am practically counting down minutes missing (and days seem to pass even more slowly than usual)...aargh! I have to do it! See you!
P.S. I agree with you for leather jackets!

Demona Tainia:> Hello! I'm quite new here, so I've never meet you before, but I'm glad to know you. You're right: the fact that Gargoyles have talons, fangs and so on doesn't mean they're demons: theyr attitude is to protect and that makes them more similar to angels. There are some people that resemble perfectly human, even good looking, but their attitide makes them demons on Earth!
About what you're gonna do if Gargoyles come back...well, I think I'd do about the same! See you around!

Green Baron:> I've just read your post about the desecration of a church in Montreal. I feel deeply sad for how this world is turning on. I am not a believer, I disagree with many of Church's positions, about, for example, divorce, but it doesn't mean I have any right to assault people who don't think the same way of mine, or destroying and desacrate a cult's place. I don't care how the people who did that pretended to call thamselves, they're just vandals and criminals and deserve no consideration! Even calling them Fascists is too good to them!
Well, I hope I expressed properly my ideas...I am really upset after reading that, and I wrote without stopping to think.
Ave atque Vale!

Sevarius Jr:> You have read a little Diabolik? Really? Whoa, I didn't believe he was known even in the States! You know, Diabolik has never been my preferred character, but I appreciate his adventures (My dad has an extensive collection). So, the Diabolik cartoon is going to be broadcasted in U.S.A, huh? Good, indeed... :)

Bengali:> Well, the poll is not deat until anyone keeps on posting votes. Just a little thing...what's a grendel? The only one I can recall was Beowulf's enemy in an ancient poem...

Anyway, here's the poll situation...

14 Gargoyles
11 Battlesuits
7 Mutates
6 Cyborgs


Exin:> Well, I don't know you (I wonder into here since a few weeks) but I'm glad to meet you.

Katara:> I'm sorry of hearing you had a bad moment. I'm glad to hear you are better and back at home. I send you my best wishes!

Caliope:> I think I understand. Italy is part of the NATO, so there are many U.S. bases in Italy, (Mainly air bases). Usually I have no problem with it, as well as many people here (there's just a little pacifist movement that on a regular base shows signs with "Americans go home!" on), but sometimes something happens...just a couple of years ago, a EA-6 Prowler of the U.S. Marines, while training in a mountain area in northern Italy, cut with the drift a cableway's rope, causing the death of twenty persons. The following inquiry showed that the pilot was flying at a too low altitude-and was doing it intentionally! I am favourable to Italy's permanence in NATO, but I understand your feelings about the Air Base near you.

I have to go, see later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, March 16, 2000 08:58:36 AM
IP: h255-20-247.mi2.albacom.net

Caliope: no offense, but WHY does it HAVE to be based on Anime/Magna ? can't something be entirely unrelated to them?

{sorry if you think that that's sniping}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 08:27:25 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hey Guys!

Where' jenna and all i know? ...does here anyone know me??? ;-)
...this room's a bit boring...
Exin^SDI(DUG)
ZXSpectrum rulez!!!
Thursday, March 16, 2000 08:00:42 AM
IP: proxy.core.metatv.de

Hey guys! :)

Warpmind> *LOL* I was just kidding! Its not like I could just send my private jet to pick you up or something! :P

Rodlox> Well, actualy I was asking if it was from a manga/anime series, but it is proabably based on that, seeing as the 3 main goddesses names are Belldandy (verandi in norse mithology, present) Urd (past) and skuld (future)...I think thier names were changed about a bit and, like you, I most proabably got some of that mixed up :P Thanx anyways! :)

GreenBaron and
Sevarious Jr. > Ok, let me explain, the US has a navy base on one of our smaller islands, and that alon does not bother me one bit, as SJ said, we are tecnicaly part of your contry and we cant wine too much, what does bother me is that theyre playing war games and testing warfare devices there...ppl live there! On more then one ocacion, stray bombs and such have hit buildings and injured even killed ppl. Not only that, but theyre totaly trashing the place, contaminating the land, water and sea. Now, sure, like SJ said, "technically have the right to plop down a base and do what we damn well please with it" but if you were doing something so grate and positive and dont have a prob with it, why dont we move that base base to one of the Florida keys or something, I mean, we DO get benefits, but not enough to have to toletate ppl dying. Well, the origen of the dispute was that My opinion was that not many US ppl new about the situation and that I concidered the US ppl pretty logical and rastional and if they new the truth they might not like was the learned. My friends opinion was that you all knew everything and just didnt give a dand either way. So, ok, who was right? :P

And Whah?!?!? They're gonna have Eskaflone?!?!?! ON TV?!?!?
When ?! Where?! What time!!!!??? *tugs on Sevarious JR shirt* Tell me Puleeeez Mr!!!! :P

Alex> Yey!!! Happy for you! Ofcorse I was proabably your inspiration and all....me being sooooo....inspiering! :P kidding! Happy for ya pal! :P

Well, I gotta get! See ya guys!!! * HUGZ*HUGZ*HUGZ* * ^_~ *
Caliope
Thursday, March 16, 2000 07:52:41 AM
IP: 136.145.83.191

*Warpmind enters, considerably calmer.*
Hullo, boys and girls. :)

Cyborg: Yeah, well, cops getting on my nerves... the big nerve-shaking thing there was that possesion of a controlled substance is a relatively minor offense, while the crime I WAS guilty of, namely carrying a concealed weapon, is FAR more serious... And as for the language police... I think I know your situation. We have something similar in Norway; we have two written languages, between which the differences are waning so much, they are planning to enforce what difference is left. :( In one word: Urkk...

Wilek: Oh, a three pointed star with an eye in it, eh? I'll see what I can figu... uh... did you say "three pointed star with an eye in it"? Oh, cripes! That was the Lunar Research base! *Warpmind suffers a brief seizure.* Cripes! Those 8000 guys were HANDPICKED! Dammit! I sent them there to check for mierals within the moon core, and now you kiled them all? Oooh, the Grandmaster is sure going to have my hiney in a sling now... *Looks around, panicking.* This looks like a job for... someone with a great talent for sucking up to the boss... I'll take any help I can get here... :|

Archwolf: Cruel? Me? How so? When the Nereus Project is through, well, those Cubans will be something like a penny apiece. (Well, okay, more like a few dollars apiece, but still...)

RP Character description: I see the noble Kitania posted a description of herself; I might as well join in on the fun. ;) My RP self is quite similar to my RL self (aside from various skills and knowhows); 5'10" tall, and about 140 pounds, give or take five pounds. He is an experienced biochemist, with fairly good marksmanship. He is never caught without his jeans, his velvet coat, and his old hat. In addition, he carries a small, grey backpack with a spatial reallocator (transports anything put in the bag to storage locations scattered around Earth), and a small gun loaded with powerful tranquilizer darts. In addition, he is a Freelance Illuminatus, and the current Realmsfarer, who is assigned to keep a watchful eye on the Balance between Good and Evil, or Heaven and Hell. Using an ancient medallion, he can breach the border that separates the land of the living from the land of the dead. Picture can be found in the Photo Gallery on my website (click my name).

Green Baron: Well, the hard core of the toughest criminals aren't unacquainted with murder, theft, or blackmail to raise money for drugs. In short, they are the worst scum in the country. Fortunately, they are usually to stoned to ever get organized. ;)

Oh, and that tofurkey thing: I refuse to comment. This is, after all, a G rated CR, isn't it? ;)

Welcome back, Demona Taina.

Fire Storm: Compadre, if titanium alloy is as light as you say, the air pressure would keep me above the trench, anyway. And by the way... GPS using radio waves? Honestly, I have trouble swallowing that... don't they require something faster than regular radio waves? Now, laser comms, I can believe, even microwave transmissions, I'll accept, but regular radio waves for something like 100% accurate global positioning? I doubt the military would accept that, given the technological level of today...

Zath: Summon Coffee: Already attuned to the caster's tastes. Runs mostly by the WYSIWYG principle. Imagine the benefits of such a spell to a police station. ;) As for whether you are sweet, or just fast and easy, well, I'm not even gonna touch *that* one...

Well, I gotta go. See y'all later.
*Warpmind heads out, attempting to play the Gargoyles them on his ocarina.* Damn. There's just one or two notes I lack to be able to play that melody... annoying. :(
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, March 16, 2000 06:46:26 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Ok... I know this is rather late...
(but I´ve been held prisoner in Homeworkland and I just couldn´t find a way out!!)
but Caliope told me to read last weeks comment room and I found the only reason to smile during this whole week,

I actually won on the "Diary in the 21st Century" contest!! :D

WOW!! *takes a bow as beautiful white roses are thrown at her dainty feet* *she picks one up*
Oh... thank you!... Thank you!
I´d like to thank my family, for allowing me to laugh maniacly in front of the computer while I know this freaks them out.
I´d also like to thank my friends, who endure me as I talk mostly about Gargs! *huggies Caliope* ;P
And... a HUGE thanks to ALL YOU LOVELY PEOPLE OUT THERE who made my dream come true!! ;D
*tear* I´m just so happy!
I´m gonna post my 2 stories on my site soon... (after I find a way out of Homework land *shudders*)
But thank you! Thank you all!!
*bows again while holding a bouquet*
ok, gotta book it!
(no, I mean I REALLY gotta book it! u have no idea how much homework I´ve got!! ;P)
*huggies & kissies for all* ;D
*goes out of the room skipping and humming the Gargoyles theme song to herself * ;P
Alex Destine
Thursday, March 16, 2000 06:35:48 AM
IP: 136.145.83.126

*grrr* I hate it when I forget to put my posts in their proper color...
Zath
Thursday, March 16, 2000 05:48:28 AM
IP: ns2-15.viptx.net

Warpmind> <<I can consider myself lucky, in regard to Cool World?>> Yes, you can. <<the deforestation scene from Predator 1 comes to mind...>> That was probably the best scene in the whole movie. <<currently, we're up to more than 5$ per gallon of fuel>> Yipes! And here I was thinking that $1.50 for the low grade stuff was expensive. It's hard to believe the same stuff was as low as $0.85 this summer. : ( <<he just casts the spell Summon Coffee instead>> Will he also have to cast the spells of Summons Cream and Summons Sugar, or will the Summons Coffee spell create coffee that is already sweetened to the drinker's taste? <<since, as everone knows, you are what you eat>> Does that make me sweet or fast and easy? ; )

Gside> <<someone else who downloads my mp3s. Let's see, that makes... sigma i=... dx... e^... 2 people>> I downloaded a few of your mp3s, but when I tried to get Twilight shortly after you posted it, it would come in at around 9 bytes a second (claiming it would take around 40 hours to download), sit there for 15 to 20 minutes, and then pretend the file didn't exist at all, ending the download. I haven't had time to try downloading any of your more recent ones. <<and a hidden appearance by Robin Williams>> Hidden? Wasn’t he the flying head who didn’t like his body, but when he finally got rid of it he had to deal with an itchy nose and nothing to scratch it with? Now that I think of it, didn’t Alladin ripoff that idea in an episode?

Gside and Fire Storm> Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, there's nowhere else I can put my printer and scanner at the moment, but I'll be sure to position them farther away from the monitor when I move into my new place next semester.

Selanit> <<The Colorado Renaissance Festival; Six Flags Elitch Gardens; the Denver Zoo; the Denver Museum of Natural History; a fine selection of restaurants. And don't forget the Rocky Mountains, providing huge wilderness areas for hiking, camping, fishing, and all manner of outdoor sports>> All it needs is a little oxygen and it will be perfect. ; ) Sorry, but I've spent too much of my life living at or near sea-level to be able to do much of anything at those elevations without plenty of time to acclimate.

Gunjack> <<I hate reading all these posts about wisdom teeth! ;( I've got several that have to go in the near future, and the last thing I need is to know exactly what to expect..>> On the positive side, once the holes heal, your jaw should stop hurting and your remaining teeth should stop being pushed further and further out of alignment (assuming you have those problems to begin with). <<One of my friends is trying to convince me that it's more fun to stay awake, since you get to enjoy the drug trip from all the anihstetics>> Don't listen to them. Your dentist may be different, but when I stayed awake for getting a tooth out, all they gave me was a local anesthetic, nothing else, so I was perfectly clear headed the entire time as they banged my head up and down on the seat back and smeared my own blood all over my face, playing Kenny G. the entire time.

Skippy> <<I've always placed Hudson in his late fifties/early sixties but since gargs are longer lived than humans, it's kind of hard to place years.>> I seem to recall he said something about being 110 when Xanatos asked him why he didn't want to test the Cauldron of life, but it's probably been 2 years or more since I saw that episode, so I might be wrong.

jewel> <<Antonio to be the Phantom. He has a good enough voice for it, and even though he has to look hideous, he also has to have sex appeal--which Antonio proved in "Mask of Zorro" that he could do. And it will increase the shock value, to have the phantom oozing sexuality, and when you rip off the mask, he's hideous.>> I agree, but I'll have to wait until I hear how good his "evil laugh" is before I make my final judgment.

Bengali> <<If Gargoyles was to get back on the air, what rating would you want for it to be?>> I vote for somewhere around TV-14 <<if Gargoyles was to get back on the air, which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?>> Is that in addition to the original Gargoyles, or are you counting it as just another spin-off. If we can only choose one, I'd go with Gargoyles. If the choice is of a spin-off to be shown in addition to the original series, I'd choose Bad Guys, assuming it actually had good character development in addition to action and adventure.

Spacebabie> <<Canibalize a PETA member....do I smell a JOYRIDE?>> No, you smell a joy-Barbeque! >: )

silverstar> <<I want to know if any of ya' out there have had a dream about gargoyles>> About a month or so ago I dreamed I was Demona. It was really strange. I had (mostly) reformed my human hating ways and fallen in love with a human artist. I don't remember his name (might have been Kevin or something similar, but I'm not certain), but he was tall and kind of scrawny, and had sandy brownish blond hair that hung down to about his earlobes. Anyway, for some reason an evil demon possessed Macbeth so it could use his body to kill me permanently. I knew that if the demon caught me with the artist it would kill him too so I had to stay away from him, but he thought I was leaving because I didn't really love him. We had a big argument, and I finally left, going to live in a little empty house in some nameless, generic suburb. One day (a lot of times, my dreams are like movies and skip past long periods of time where nothing important happens) there was knock at my back door, and I almost killed the person because I thought he was the demon. It turned out to be a teenager who claimed that the demon was after him too but was going to kill my artist first, whether I was near him or not. I ran out the door (for some reason I went out the front door instead of going past the kid) and jumped into the air to fly to my lover's aid, but the demon cast a spell that threw the world into a perpetual dawn/twilight, so I was trapped halfway between my human and gargoyle forms. This made my wings become too small to support me, so I fell out of the sky and had to ride the rest of the way on the outside of a tractor-trailer. I finally arrived at my artist's studio, and he said he understood why I had left, but just then the demon, still possessing Macbeth's body, which had turned orange and warty, appeared and hit him, knocking him across the room. I didn't know if he was dead or just unconscious. I decided I was willing to risk death if it would protect my lover and was just about to start fighting the demon when I woke up because my blankets had gotten wrapped around my head and I couldn't breathe anymore. Don’t you hate when that happens?

Eating Gargoyles> If gargoyles turned to stone when they died, wouldn't that make them pretty much inedible. If you sliced a steak off a living gargoyle and tried to cook it, it would turn to stone in the pan, probably ruining the teflon coating in the process. If you ate the fresh stake raw, you'd have to deal with it turning to stone in your stomach as your digestive juices killed the cells, which would be even worse, because it would ruin your guts instead of just your cooking equipment. If gargoyles stay flesh when they die, that problem wouldn't exist, but the meat would probably be really tough, possibly even requiring the strength of a gargoyle just to chew it, especially if it came from an older garg, so gargoyles would have to worry about cannibalism but not predation from humans.

Jannie> <<I had 9 teeth removed last Thursday. *spits out another stitch* eesh! I had another mold made yesterday for the plate and the dentist forgot and when he pulled out the mold that had stuck to my gums - he pulled several stitches with it...>> *NINE*!?! **cringes in sympathetic pain** You have my sincere condolences. That sounds way worse than anything I've had to go through yet. I hope the infection goes away and you heal quickly.

Fire Storm> <<Some people say the same things about calimari (fried squid), but it is REALLY good!>> Especially with a little pepper and a squirt of lemon : ) Actually, I’ve been craving calamari for weeks. I had some cuttlefish with dinner last night, but that’s just not the same.

Okay, I guess I’m caught up with the room. I’ll be back later. Bye for now.

Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 05:47:23 AM
IP: ns2-15.viptx.net

FIRE STORM<<:Sorry never been known as cyote...but i have been known as Hugh Heffener...wait that was a dream.GARGOYLE DINNER<<:Hell you give me a couple of blunts and his ass better start gliding the hell out of my way.SORROW<<:Yeah i heard thong song by sisqo.It is a phat song however it is alot better when there is a girl dancin in one well your listening.See one time me and my boy got this chicken head to......oops never mind.FANFIC<<:Sorry didn't have time for the bio tonight perhaps tomorrow.And last but not least for the record sisqo is a bi-sexual b!tch.
Jeremy - [www.Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 03:45:02 AM
IP: xcom-79-57.mdc.net

ROBBY - To be more accurate, shows like Power Rangers -- Called "Sentai" or "Taskforce" shows -- have been running in Japan since 1972. The Power Rangers bit was something done in recently by the latest Japanese studios to take a stab at the "Sentai" format. And yes, these shows in their original format have better plots, scripts, villians... they even have points where characters (even the heroes) *GASP!* Die!

I think though that Saban is starting to realize that the Ranger shows need a little "de-kiddie-fying"... the most recent plots in "PR: Lost Galaxy" and this recent "PR: Lightspeed Rescue" are starting to get more logical and less dumbed down (I have a 8 year old daughter that loves the show, sue me, I have to watch...).

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Thursday, March 16, 2000 02:47:29 AM
IP: m50.ieway.com

Two things:
1 - There are three living fans of Baron Munchausen.
2 - Robby> I have all the episodes of Escaflone on tape. They're fan subs. If it's been domestically released, I guess I can't TECHNICALLY copy them for you, but send me an e-mail and we'll see what we can work out. (If they're domestically released, I can't TECHNICALLY own them, either...)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, March 16, 2000 02:13:46 AM
IP: dll2a030-1281.splitrock.net

Weirdest Garg dream- Just had one the other night. Was gliding at night and there were tons of stars out. It was so beautiful. Then I saw all the constellations and they looked really real. Like the Big Dipper actually looked like a dipper.

Sorow-Thong Song- Never heard of it, probably would remember it if I did.

Fire Storm-I don't ever plan to eat gargoyle, as for calimari I've tried that and guess what...ACK! ;)

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Thursday, March 16, 2000 02:09:46 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

Gside > <<Terry Gilliam on Harry Potter: As the only living fan of The Adventures of Baron Munchausen...>> Heh. Make that one of the the _two_ living fans... :D Just kidding. Actually, I think we are legion.

Beatles people vs. Elvis people > I'm Beatles people.

Actually, you can divide people into _any_ two "categories"...someone's always bound to prefer one over the other in some fashion. "There are two kinds of people in this world:those who like ham at Christmas, and those who like turkey." See? It's easy! :)

More later...
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 02:07:27 AM
IP: ctrts2-1.mrs.umn.edu

Sev. Jr.> Terry Gilliam on Harry Potter: As the only living fan of The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, I would have to agree with your support of Gilliam directing such a fantasy work. And while I am on the subject, I might as well reccommend Munchausen. You get Uma Thurman doing the birth of Venus, multiple appearances by death, cannonball riding, and a hidden appearance by Robin Williams. Good Stuff.

Fire Storm> <<root beer marinated chicken breast>>: Ahh, a scent of sasparilla. (random note: that was the name of a Bradbury short story, and the root is sasparilla)

Robby> <<All of our animation may be Japanese in origin soon>>: Is that really a bad thing?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, March 16, 2000 01:38:57 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Sorow- I had alternate answers cooked up as well, including "Six points. Thank you, come again. Oh, wait a minute..." *Shrugs*

SJ- They're actually dubbing Escaflowne for American television? Cool! Especially considering Gundam Wing (The best series I've seen in a long while, animated or not) has proved how kick ass an anime can be if given an 11 oclock timeslot, good dubbing, lotsa cool commercials, and no content cutting. *Rereads post* Oh wait, they're dubbing it for Fox's Saturday morning lineup, which means we'll end up with another dub equivilent of Sailor Moon, Pokemon, or Digimon.. IE, watered down garbage. Shoot. I think I may have to dodge it like the plauge then...
But Escaflowne is a very cool series. Subtitled it is anyway. I have the first three tapes, but had to stop it due to cost. (Each tape is 30 bucks). I've been trying to find copies to rent but with no luck...

Cybersix- Isn't that ALSO an anime? Its gotta be, Fox wouldn't let a show's concept with the word "crossdress" go anywhere unless it was unavoidable...

Ah well... SJ, any news on the second season of Monster Rancher? Its by far the best of the three "pokemon" series, (But then, Pokemon hasn't been nearly as good as it used to be since about episode 40 or so, the Pokemon league eps not withstanding, and Digimon just has a horrible dubbing cast) and it totally irks me that the first season was only 26 episodes long and kind of ends on a cliffhanger...

As far as Beast Machines season two... I'll have already seen the whole thing before it ever airs locally. I have a penpal in Canada taping it for me, along with the second season of War Planets...

Music- I'm a big Beatles fan actually, but not so big an Elvis fan...

Power Rangers- This will probably upset everyone in the room, but... Power Rangers has been going on in Japan since 1972. Granted, the Japanese version has good scripts, acting, characters, villains, and makes a really conveniant marketing tool for endless action figures, but we're getting it through the EVIL filters of Saban, the same people who totally ruined American Dragonball... Trust me, if it was as good as the Japanese version, we wouldn't complain about the show never dying, we'd be discussing it the same way we do Gargs and Buffy. I've seen a few episodes thanks to my apprenticeship at Antarctic Press, and I actually found myself wanting to see more. Also worth noting, the Japanese version doesn't keep trying to connect the series. Each series is a totally different saga completely unrelated to the last. Occasional crossovers, but not usually. Thats starting to show a bit more in the last few American seasons, but we're still getting garbage.

(Say, has Saban been joyriden yet? If not, Saban must die when HFIL opens up in the RP...)

Then there is Gundam Wing. I can not speak highly enough of this series. The animation is great, the plot is great, the music is great, the characters are great, and its so complex and thought out I didn't even know who the goodguys were until the fifth episode! The fact that Cartoon Network has given it a latenight showing, UNCUT, and with tons of commercials indicates something. And you know the best part? From what I understand, the ratings have been FANTASTIC so far, easily validating the cost of all the commercials and dual showings. COnsidering Cartoon Network's Toonami is now ALL anime, and they're treating the midnight run seriously, I think its become clear that they understand that serious animation DEFINATLEY has a place in the market... (WHich does not explain their new channel, Boomerang at all, unless they're contractually obligated to show X hours of old Hanna Barbera garbage every day...) Heck, Dragonball Z when showing new episodes was in the top 50 for the Neilson ratings, totally unprecedented in an animated series in America. To hear that Fox is dubbing two animes (though no doubt badly) is good news... And I'm also looking forward to Cartoon Network getting Tenchi Muyo this summer... All of our animation may be Japanese in origin soon, but all the same, I'm VERY pleased with the way the market seems to be going...
Robby
Thursday, March 16, 2000 01:18:58 AM
IP: spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com

*comes in and collapes in exhaustion. Tries to quickly scan through current postings, but gives up as there are so danged many of them*

Hi all! How is everyone? Hope everyone had a good weekend and their week is progressing productively so far. As mentioned above, been trying to catch up with all the latest posts. Seems like I missed a pretty good debate over the weekend. Sorry I missed it. Given the weekend I had, anything would have been preferable. Lord knows I really missed everyone here and am glad to be back...and more importantly to be healthy.

For anyone that may have noticed or cares about my absence, I was in the hospital over the weekend. While at work on Saturday, I started experiencing sharp pains on the right side of my abdomen. After several hours of trying to ignore the pain, I finally gave in and called my doctor. She recomended going to ER. I sure picked the wrong night to get "sick" as the place was pretty darn busy. Anyways, after waiting around sevearal hours, doctor gets back to me and decides that I might have appendix problem. So after downing barium sulfate goop (will never be able to drink a pina colada again. LOL), I'm off for a CAT scan. Good news, appendix is fine..not so good news..positive for cyst on ovary. Well, then it's admission time to the hospital for observation and maybe even surgery. On duty doctor comes in Sunday morning, goes over results of latest blood test, checks the pained area, and decides that I'm okay for now and can go home. Tells me to follow up with my regular doctor on Monday for ANOTHER blood test to again check white blood cells. After talking to my doctor, I find out that cysts on the ovaries AREN'T all that unusual and that I don't need to be TOO concerned at this point in time. However she will review all the results of my scan and then recommend which medicine treatment she wants me to follow. *sighs deeply* My only complaint was that the ER doctor made it sound as if I was about 3 steps away from the operating room. Thanks tons doc for scaring me sh**less...LITERALY!, as well as my kids and the rest of my family. Though I guess I should be thankful that I didn't have to actually have to go under the knife.

Anyways, I'm just glad to be back among everyone. I missed everyone here. I was really starting to go through CR withdrawal pangs! =-) I just hated all the catch up I had to try to accomplish here and at work.

*applies an ice pack to her head to help avoid the upcoming headache when she goes back to trying to catch up*
Katara - [GargLover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:53:09 AM
IP: abe23f50.ipt.aol.com

Jaden: <Eating Gargoyles-Ack! That is in a word disgusting.>
Don't knock it until you've tried it! :)
Some people say the same things about calimari (fried squid), but it is REALLY good!

Jannie: <Wouldn't that be a bit stringy and get stuck between your teeth?>
Hmm... good point. Since they do use their muscles alot they would be kinda tough, wouldn't they?
<'m spending it healing from some major oral surgery O_o I had 9 teeth removed last Thursday.>
Um... why?

Aaron: <

Age of Wonders is going to be the death of me. I sit down to play for a little while, and then I look up and it's 2 a.m. >
Outpost, Age of Empires, and Alpha Centari.
I sit down to play a few rounds and the next thing I know it's Friday!

Warpmind: <With a built-in GPS, I doubt the trench would be much of a concern.>
BUT if you ran out of fuel or had an accident, it would be!
Also, GPS requires a line of sight communications, and radio waves can't travel more than a few feet under water.

Gunjack: Trenchcoats: Oh yeah! I forgot my jacket! It goes down to mid thigh and is beige. Kinda close...
<Does deathmatching count as long distace?>
Over internet: no
Over phone lines (direct call): If it is more than 50 miles from you, most definately.

Wilek: <just straight cola for more downscale/informal meals.>
I hear root beer marinated chicken breast is pretty good.

Archwolf: <Rant>
Don't worry... there are many people who just pay the bills without looking at where they are going.

Jeremy: Do you happen to ever go by the name Jackal?

Music: Some Beetles music is ok, some stones is ok, but give me Floyd, Queen or the Moody Blues any day.

Bengali: <Those Goliath ribs sure taste good>
Mmmm... imagine how much meat would be on a slab of those things...
and imagine how much bbq sauce you would need to cover them!
(God, I want to order Bone Yard!)

Gargoyles taste: I think they would taste a little more like beef or pork than chicken, probally with a sharp metalic twang to the meat.
The majority of the gargoyles meat would be too tough to really eat, though.

Dreams: How many senses have you ever felt in a dream?
In more than one dream I have had all 5 senses. (Taste, touch, sight, sound, smell)
Plus adrenalin and a few other hormonal/chemical induced feelings.

SJ: <Power Rangers (will this NEVER die???)>
That show will be around for my children and grand children to watch some day. :(
<CyberSix>: Could be good...
FIre Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:51:46 AM
IP: t3-68.visitus.net

Welcome Back Demona Taina!

Poll Update!

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?

1.Y=0 votes
2.Y-7 or G=4 votes
3.PG=3 votes
4.TV-14 or PG-13=13 votes
5.R=0 votes
6.No constriction to ratings=1 vote
7.Whatever Greg wants it to be=1 vote

{PG-13 and TV-14 have pretty much won this one}

Poll #2>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

1.New Olympians=0 votes
2.Gargoyles=9 votes
3.Pendragon=0 votes
4.Timedancer=9 votes
5.Bad Guys=2 votes
6.DArk Ages=1 vote
7.Gargoyles 2158=1 vote

{Gargoyles and Timedancer are TIED!}

Rodlox>An honest mistake, I'll pass the info along.

Shadowrider>Although that poll is pretty much dead, Rodlox wanted me to give you his entry. here it is..."I'll go with my natural form: Wendol {yes, a grendal}."

Black Dusters and Trenchcoats>I think they look great, of which was why I included one in my alternate character description.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:51:22 AM
IP: spider-ti051.proxy.aol.com

Sevarius Jr: thanks for Isaac's lineage. what Biblical passage was that? {about Esau}. i just used the line about 'a hairy man' as the basis, and since Yeti and Orangs were already used as Esaus(sp?), i put short fur on a gargoyle's wings.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:37:41 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Couple things I forgot earlier.

Black Dusters and Trench Coats: They look cool, and I like 'em, but give me a black leather jacket instead any day. It's so much more stylish. :)

Cherry Blossom: You will also be in my prayers.

Later!
Kit
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:14:04 AM
IP: pool-209-138-204-177-dlls.grid.net

****ENTERTAINMENT STUFF!!!!****
I'm gonna go in depth with some previews of some new programs coming to Fox Fall Saturday lineup, but that's at the end of this post....

Good news for fans of kung-fu vampirism! Not only is the sequel to the surprise hit "Blade" moving along at breakneck pace, a director has been confirmed! Guillermo del Toro will direct the sequel, set with a tentative release of summer 2001, "Blade 2: Bloodhunt". Much blood and kung fu fighting is promised. If you aren't familiar with del Toro's work, he made the truly excellent and very creepy vampire film "Cronos", which has won him critical acclaim worldwide. He's the right pick for this film, if you ask me.

And also, rumor out now is that Terry Gilliam is one of the individuals who are being heavily considered to direct the Harry Potter feature film. I haven't read the Potter books, but I'd love for Gilliam to do them. Can you imagine the weird, psychidelic stuff he'd put on the screen?
****END ENTERTAINMENT STUFF****

Green Baron: That's a rather disturbing story there involving that fascist group...unfortunately, it's my believe that they can get away with that kind of behavior not necessarily because of a lack of evidence, but because religion has become a somewhat acceptable target. It frightens me, though, when such blatant violations of an individuals right to freedom of religion (I know, this was Canada, not the US, but still) goes unpunished.

Speaking of Candada.....FRANCOPHONES!!! Finally, a name for all those pretentious Canadian bastards I have come to hate! I'm cool with most Canadians, cause let's be honest, American and Canadian culture is not SO different. Regardless of the different indiosyncrasies found amongst each culture, we, in general, like many of the same things. But these pretentious French bastards....I'm sorry, maybe I'm just prejudicial, but something about French people....even the French-Canadians who heavily favor their French heritage....just get to me. They seem to be more obnoxious than the average American, and that's a crime in my book. No one shall be more arrogant than us!
Anyway, these Francophones annoy the hell outta me. And they FORCE the lower class to learn French? Those bastards! I mean....I'd *like* for everyone in my country to speak English.....but then English is such a lovely language ;)

Eating Gargoyles: Hey, if I'm on a dessert island with Broadway, and there is no coconut tree or banana grove or nice, fruity mangos around.....big blue may be on the dinner plate. Although Gargoyles look like they'd be very salty. Sorta like pork. Mmmmm......pork. Gargoyle--the other, other white meat.

Todd: The Jewish genealogy (according to the Old Testament) goes something like this--God promises Abraham he'd the the "father of many nations". He begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob and Esau, Jacob begat the 12 tribes of Judeah (Reuben, Ben, etc.) Esau was, according to the Good Book, a very large man, covered in hair and strong. He was an excellent hunter, and was a daddy's boy because of those skills. Jacob was more of a momma's boy, and was sneakier than his brother, which explains how he was able to swindle away his brother's birthright. Esau got pissed, but later the two had a joyous reconciliation. That was after Jacob wrestled the angel of the lord to a standstill, and....
Wait, am I going to far into my theology? I guess I was paying attention to those Sunday school lessons after all. Point is, Esau is a good choice for a gargoyle because he exhibits many of the typical Gargoyle attributes.

Poll: I'm for Gargoyles TV-14, with occasional "adult" episodes perhaps thrown in (sort of like Buffy does). I feel this would give the show a level of maturity that would create some truly wonderful episodes.

Caliope: Yep, they are making a "Queen of the Damned" movie. I believe that that is the 3rd book in the series, but they may be combining the storyline from that novel along with "The Vampire Lestat". Last I heard, the movie was in preproduction, but that actor Wes Bentley (aka the creepy next door neighbor in "American Beauty") was cast as Lestat. I also believe that a major musical talent has been hired to do the soundtrack.....it's either Rob Zombie or Billy Corgan. I'm thinking Corgan, but I can't remember.

As for the Puerto Rico situation, I have a vague knowledge of it. Apparently the Puerto Ricans are upset that the U.S. has a military base on one of their islands, and that the army uses the area as a weapons testing area or an artillery range or something. I have mixed feelings on this. If I am not mistaken, Puerto Rico is one the territories of the United States. In essence, they are a part of the United States of America, since we virtually own them (of course, the reality is much more complex than that). The citizens of Puerto Rico get some benefits from us, such as not having to pay any taxes to us. So, on one hand, we, the USA, technically have the right to plop down a base and do what we damn well please with it. On the other hand, the citizens of Puerto Rico are, in a sense, citizens of the United States, so as such they should have a say in the matter and we should listen to their concerns. I'm torn on the issue. I like Puerto Rico, and am glad that they are under our umbrella of protection and control, but I also support the US military.

SOROW: Wait a second--you look like Sarah Michelle Gellar? Oh damn.....I suddenly envy Joe Boxer a thousand times more! ;)

****PREVIEW OF FOX KIDS FALL SATURDAY MORNING LINEUP****
Good news and bad news...the good news is that Beast Machines is returning!!!! Trust me, Robby, that's a good thing ;)
The bad news is that NASCAR Racers, Digimon, Power Rangers (will this NEVER die???) and the Magic Schoolbus will return. Hmm....Digimon I can maybe stomach.

Getting the axe is Spider-man Unlimited (after a stunning 3 episodes...I didn't like the premise, but I would have liked to have seen all 13 promised eps.), Avengers United, and Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot (which breaks my heart, cause that show was good, and it didn't get a fair shot before being replaced with dozens of Pokemon clones).

The new stuff they'll debut is:

Action Man--"Utilizing the power of the AMP (Advanced Macro Probability) Factor, a young thrill seeker is able to predict the probable outcomes of events. Backed by a support team, Action Man travels the world thwarting the evil machinations of Dr. Prometheus. Mainframe Entertainment (Beast Machines) is producing 13 action-packed episodes of this CGI-animated series."
I didn't like this show when it was called "Max Steel", so I'm not too enthusiastic about it now. I seem to remember an animated "Action Man" show a couple years back which wasn't worth the cells it was drawn on. However, Mainframe is behind this, so a certain level of non-sucking is promised, if only visually.

CyberSix--"A female cyber rebels against the devious plans of her evil creator. A unique twist to this superhero series is that CyberSix disguises herself as a male high school teacher when she’s not fighting evil."
This has possible potential. Then again, it could wind up being "The Cyber Adventures of Young Xena". Maybe they'll hype this up and make it sort of Sailor Moon-ish.

Diabolik--"Based on the popular Italian comic book character, this series follows the sophisticated hero Diabolik as he battles the criminal regime controlled by his corrupt brother."
This is the project I'm most excited about. I've read a little of the comic, and it's quite good. If they can capture some of the same suspense and intrigue and stick it in the 'toon, this could be a winner.

Dinozaurs--"Sunrise and Bandai have teamed to produce this combined CGI and cel anime series. Resurrected Dinozaurs
battle space-born Dragonzaurs in a quest to save our world. "
They're dubbing this a "anime" series, but I swear this seems like the second coming of Dinosaucers, CGI style. I kind of liked the old goofy Dinosaucers show, but I'll have to see a preview before I get really excited.

Escaflowne--"This popular animated series from Japan finds Hitomi, a female high school student, having visions of terrible upcoming events. A mysterious swordsman named Prince Van transports her to a mystical world called Gaea. Hitomi and
Van must master the secrets of Escaflowne, a powerful battle suit, in order to defeat the evil Zaibach Empire. "
I must admitt, I'm not terrible anime-literate, so I've never heard of this series. It seems somewhat Sailor Moon-ish to me, but I'm interested. Pokemon notwithstanding, I think we should just saturate the youth of America with the often superior anime of Japan.

Los Luchadores--"Fox describes this one as an outrageous mix of action, adventure and absurdity. The hero, Lobo Solo, is a 500 lb. masked wrestler who fights evil throughout the 13 live-action episodes."
Luchadores! I love me some mexican wrestling! I'd be sold on this series, except that it's live-action. Fox, IMO, hasn't put out too many cool live-action kids shows. I have visions of "TMNT: The Next Mutation" running through my head.

The Ripping Friends--"John (Ren & Stimpy) Kricfalusi delivers this crazy series about four manly superhero friends (Crag, Rip, Slab and Chunk). Watch out for their mother, He-Mom, and such terrible threats as villainous mutated under-shorts."
It helps that the same guy behind Ren and Stimpy is making this show. IMO, the Tick is THE epitome of what a great
superhero parody show should be (that and maybe Space Ghost Coast to Coast), but this show could be funny. I just hope
that they don't make it too immature. Part of what made the Tick great was it's more mature humor.

Xarandor: The Wizards’ Academy--"This live-action series is set at a far from normal high school academy where the
students practice spells and participate in dragon races before lunch."
And Ladies & Gentlemen, we have a winner! Give Fox the prize for being the first with the Harry Potter ripoffs!!!

Overall, I'm not terribly enthusiastic about this new Fall lineup, but I'm not necessarily against it either. I'll have to wait and see some previews before I make some final decisions....just for once, though, I'm glad to see the omission of any Pokemon
clones.
***END FOX PREVIEW****












Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:13:20 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Joe> Now don't go scaring everyone honey! It was just a little accident that'll involve $180 @#$!%# dollars. Who knew curbs could just jump out in the middle of the road like that? And don't worry, my dad always has an american flag stuck up his butt.

GB> Why are you purple? Did you have some bad raisins? :)

Kit> I'm glad we think the same. It would be so incredibly awesome if they put Timedancer on the air! Think of all the great scenes, the costumes, the landscapes, and Brooklyn! We can't forget him ;) It would be like watching Brooklyn modeling for an 'around the world' calendar... YUMMY!

Robby> You explained that so seriously, I'm exhausted from laughing! OKAY, so you're not going to tell me. But let's use Frued here. If you tell me that it's not from Sata's point of view, nor Brooklyn's point of view, then it must be from both characters point of view! And if you tell me that it's from the narrator, then it's really from God. And if you tell me that it's from God, then monkeys will be flying outta my arse and well you get the idea :) It's okay if you won't tell me. I don't think I want to know anymore. *spanks booty*

silverstar> I had a really good one last night. The gargoyles and the ninja turtles (my other favorite show) were in a tire yard playing "Capture the Fort." It was hilarious!

Random thought: Has anyone else heard the Thong Song? "Let me see that thoooonnnnnggggg!!!!"
SOROW
Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:11:09 AM
IP: dll2a020-1090.splitrock.net

Montreal Incident> It just goes to show that stupid fanaticism is not the sole baliwick of religion. As a non-beliver I find it incredibly offensive to hear of an incident like this. While I disagree with most religon on many levels, it is disrespectful and totally out of line to do anything like this. It's even worse that no-one is doing anything about it andnot reporting it. It's hypocritcal to defame Neo-Nazis when they desecrate a Synagouge <sp?> and tostand by while a bucnh of foaming mouth rabid liberals are out doing the smae thing. I hate to think I am in any way associated idealogically with people like that....
Skippy The Klingon
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:54:44 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-08.ultravision.net

*Cyborg re-enters the CR, for the thierd time that day*
Wow, I think this is a record for me.

Demona Taina: Welcome back! *doffs party hat and plays with a noise maker* You have every right to be so happy, in fact, I'm in a good mood too, so I think I'll join you. *bounces up and down with mirth*
"Goliath protects me at night" He protects me too. A friend of mine gave me his action- figure (don't ask me which one, I don't collect) for the top of my bookcase, which is at the foot of my bed. He stands in a fearsome pose beside a 6" gargoyle statue I picked up in a curio shop.

Silverstar: You get a spring break? Lucky! I get the Thursday to go with Good Friday and Easter Monday and that's all :(

Green Baron: <Media Go Mute On Montreal Fascism> You know I hadn't even heard about that incident, and I LIVE in Montreal. It doesn't shock me though, because it is not a new development; fascism has been prevailent and rising in Montreal since I was a kid. (I'm older than 18, the leagal age in Quebec, that's all anyone needs to know :p) scary, eh?

Wilek: Ooooooh. Paranuclear weaponry? *evil grin* Yeah, I _know_ what to do with that *her evil grin gets even wider, and she leaves the CR to find Parizeau in anticipation*
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:44:04 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

hi everybody! work sucked today. I worked my butt off while my coworkers sat on their asses and jerked off. My father had also basically grounded me for going out too much. I mean what the hell is that! you can't punish someone for doing something they didn't know was wrong! it was completely unjustified. But on a good note, SOROW and I spent some high quality time together at a nice park. we had lots of fun. Unfortunately, SOROW didn't have a pretty day. she kind of got in a accident and her father again is mad at her. well i'm off toplay some alien vs predator. see ya. Oh, I love you SOROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SOROW: hey remind me, my sister has a present for you okay?

Green Baron: actually, we only walked around and ate at patueaz(i don't know if i spelled that right). I went with my band and one of the guys wanted to go down bourbon street and see some titaezzzzzzz! but we didn't. the funniest thing was that there was a strip club with windows where a fake pair of stocking dressed legs swing out at you. they also leave the door open, but i didn't look inside. HONEST! just for you SOROW!
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:37:14 PM
IP: spider-wg071.proxy.aol.com

Archwolf> <<PETA>Stick 'em all in one giant microwave oven, turn it on, and see what happens.>> I'm having a flashback to Gremlins. >8) <<Any of you who where around during the whole Beatlemania thing (and from some of what I've read here, there have to be some), What was the big deal about the Beatles?!?!?>> I don't know either; I despise most rock, especially of the moronic drug-inspired variety.

Kitainia> <<Thanks for the reminder, and for answering my Nereus Project questions.>> You're welcome. ^_^

Kaioto> <<something tells me that gargoyles taste like chicken.>> Of course. Everything does. The Matrix can't figure out what chicken tastes like, so it set its parameters to taste like everything. :P

Aaron> <<Well, Tarantino postulated that there were only two kinds of people, Elvis people and Beatles people. While I'm not sure that's true>> It isn't; I don't like Elvis either. :P

Green Baron> Bush article> <<The bodies were badly mutilated, many with skin removed, and numerous severed legs were nailed to a wall in the configuration of a seven-pointed star, the cult's symbol.>> Uh oh. Montreal desecration> <shudders, speechless>

Cyborg> _phone thing> That...that...<grr> When the Project has reached Canada, you will be provided with paranuclear weaponry. I presume you'll know what to do with it. >;)

Rodlox> <<gargoyles may be sentient...but so are dolphins and whales>> <blink> Huh?

Demona Taina> Welcome back! :D <<You wouldn't believe what happened to me, guys, my worst nightmare came true... NO INTERNET!!! For five long months!!! Oh, gosh.>> Five...MONTHS?!?!?! :O <hands you a Mr. Thingy torture device and a handcuffed Mr. Disconnect> Have fun. You've earned it. >8) <<I could barely do anything because the librarian thought that the gargoyles were demons.>> Wha...<simmer> That idiot... If Gargoyles Were Back> Nice to-do list. ^_^ Gets me to thinking, actually; if we ever get it back, I'll have to find a more prominent location for my figures (especially Power Wing Goliath, Ice Storm Brooklyn, and Flame Storm Goliath). :D
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:43:42 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Sabledrake Deadline > um ... about 2/3 days before the end of each month at the latest, preferably earlier, to give us time to format and all. The list of issue themes is now more prominently posted at http://www.sabledrake.com/magazine.htm

Kitainia > sounds like we should make you and Doug official distributors of Sabledrake products! ; ) Book II in August, debut at the Gathering! I am hoping/planning/finagling to do a reading there.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:17:24 PM
IP: 07-137.009.popsite.net

It seems animal rights activists aren't the only one's going to extremes. Here's one right from Montreal:

<<MEDIA GO MUTE ON MONTREAL FASCISM

There has not been one report in the United States regarding an incredible church desecration that took place on March 7 in Montreal. And only one newspaper in Canada, the nation’s newest national daily, the National Post, has editorialized on the subject. Here are the facts as reported in the National Post and the Montreal Gazette.

On March 7, 15 people wearing ski masks spray-painted graffiti with the words "Religion—A Trap for Fools" on a pillar outside Mary Queen of the World Cathedral in downtown Montreal. Inside, they painted "No God, no masters" on one of the altars. They overturned flowerpots and stuck sanitary napkins—some soiled—to pictures and walls. Condoms were thrown around the cathedral, the missal was stolen and hundreds of hymn and prayer books were destroyed. There was an attempt to overthrow the tabernacle as well.

The group, Collectif Autonome Féministe, was celebrating International Women’s Day in Montreal, and when they barged into the church they cursed religion and said they were claiming the right to abortion and freedom of speech. In a written statement, they denounced the Catholic Church’s teachings on abortion, homosexuality and sex education. They were not charged with a hate crime because the authorities concluded that there wasn’t enough evidence to make the charge stick.

Catholic League president William Donohue commented as follows:

"Not one U.S. newspaper has reported on the outbreak of fascism in Montreal, though the New York Times did run a story yesterday on the controversy in Quebec over whether Pokemon cards should be issued in French. AP ran a story on March 8, 1999, on a synagogue that was vandalized in Siberia, but has said nothing about the March 7, 2000 desecration of the Montreal church. But AP did address another issue in Montreal yesterday: the story was entitled ‘U.S. Files Complaint against European Union on Jet Mufflers.’>>
Green Baron
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 09:23:36 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

***CORRECTIONS***

Man, I missed a few typos. I can't get an adult to ride me to the car. :P I meant to the park.

And not if Gargoyles ARE back, if Gargoyles WERE back.

Okay, thqat's it. Wouldn't want you to be confused.

**END CORRECTIONS***
Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 09:16:58 PM
IP: 63.91.204.66

***RANDOM THOUGHT***

What would I do if Gargoyles were brought back to the air? Well, first of all, I'd climb to the rooftop of my house and scream to the top of my lungs: "GARGOYLES ARE BACK!!! IN YOUR FACE!"

Second, I'd look for empty tapes, clean the heads of my VCR and get it ready for some serious recording. I'd check the remote control, and change the batteries.

I'd log on to the internet, go to every chatroom I know and scream to the top of my lungs: "GARGOYLES ARE BACK!!!" Or... "¡LAS GÁRGOLAS HAN VUELTO!" if it were a spanish chatroom.

I'd order some fast food, pizza for example, and get ready for the Gargoyles' comeback to TV.

I'd arrange all of my Gargoyles' toys so they'd face the TV. I would get them their weapons, I'd even perch them on their castle. I'd hug my newest Power Wing Goliath and have it with me for as long as the episode lasts. And I would NEVER let it go.

I would get EVERYONE in my family to watch Gargoyles', I'd even glue them to their seats if necessary. :P

I'd get all remote controls: the TV's, the VCR's, the radio's, the car's... every single remote control just in case. Check the batteries if needed.

I would bring along all my drawings so they'd, too, watch the Gargoyles' first new episode in three years.

I'd smile for as long as the episode lasts, even during commercials.

I'd email every single one of my friends telling them that Gargoyles' are back and that they should tune in to watch their premier.

I'd sit in the couch in front of the TV and wouldn't move for anything in the world. Not even for nature.

When the episode's done, I'd take my kite, get an adult to give me a ride to the car, and I would glide my kite for the first time since I bought it, roaring like Goliath.

And, well, that's what I would do if Gargoyles are back. :)

***END RANDOM THOUGHT***
Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 09:13:10 PM
IP: 63.91.204.66

Rodlox> <<people better versed in Norse mythos are welcomed to correct me>>: Ratatosk was the name of the squirrel. It was a golden cock named Vidofnir at the top. It's spelled Mimir, and he is the one guarding the Well of Wisdom and to whom Odin sacrificed his famous eye, though the Norns did guard their own Well of Fate. (gotta love www.pantheon.org)

Archwolf> Beatles: Have you heard any of their later stuff? Pepper? Abbey Road? Maybe it's not your thing, but they evolved into a larger range of styles, and I personally like such tracks as "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," "When I'm 64" (tuba and clarinet), and "Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite." Plus, they had great marketing, and came around at the right time in the industry.

More later.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:53:57 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

lately, Gargoyles, and what the Gargoyles universe implies {same for SG1} is scaring and worrying me.
Thost with Extreme Religious Sensitivity, Please Turn Away Now.

. are _all_ of world's religions centered on a Fae or alien? Thor in SG1 is an Azgard {Roswell Grey}, Odin in Gargs is a Fay. Quetzalcoatl in SG1 is a mist-being {possibly a hologram}, Coyote is another Fay. Nox {fae folk} are aliens, and Chuchulain/Rory is a halfling in the gargs universe. Ra/Re and Apothis are symbiotic aliens, and magically-talking dogs are commonplace. even Sokar, an enemy of the Goa'uld System Lords, adopted the role of the Christian Devil {for at least one off-world colony}.

is there a line drawn anywhere? does Brooklyn ignite the Burning Bush? have Humans acomplished _anything_ on our own in either universe?

just curious.

End Rant/Questioning-Speech.

YOU CAN LOOK NOW.


Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:51:52 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

**Mecord falls on the floor.**

Head hurts... thinking too much... must finish editing...

Wilek>> <I'm not quite awake yet, I find myself holding my breath, for no apparent reason> Riminds me of another dream. I find myself under water and not floating to the surface. Quickly I realize that this is a dream and I really am holding my breath!! I force my self to breath. the air is humid and thick. I thought, that's strange for a dream. When I wake up, I find my head under my blanket, making the air I was breathing hot and humid.

Archwolf>> $Acctually the dragons name is Bardic. Bardic is the adjective version of Bard.$

**Mecord wanders off to find something to eat.**
Mecord
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:44:43 PM
IP: usr55.mtwest.net

[comes in throwing kisses at everyone] Hello! I'm back! [laughs]

Oh, yes, it has been a while. You wouldn't believe what happened to me, guys, my worst nightmare came true... NO INTERNET!!! For five long months!!! Oh, gosh.

And, just my luck, my computer was broken more times than I can count for the past five months. I lost all my ICQ contacts, all my fonts, all my programs, all my ideas. I lost everything. [punches her computer]

With no internet, I was left at home, bored to death. All I had was a paper and a pencil; my gargoyles tapes, and my imagination to imagine that I was in a chatroom talking to people and throwing banana cream pies at everyone... :P

But don't worry, I could get on the internet... a few
times. At my school library. And I could barely do anything because the librarian thought that the gargoyles were demons. [rolls her eyes]

I tried to explain to her that gargoyles were noble beings that protected the innocent, but she just started talking about angels... how boring, and she just never shuts up.

And all I wanted to do was to check my e-mail before Hotmail deleted it for leaving it unchecked for a hundred days. [sighs] I also lost all my emails.

Gargoyles aren't demons, right? Just because they have fangs, talons, wings, horns, and they glow eyes... doesn't mean they're demons. They may be grotesque, but they are like that to scare evil spirits away. I have the Gargoyles' kite hung in my bedroom, by the way. :) Goliath protects me at night. :P

Five long months. How long did that seem to me? Centuries, ages... bored to death... oh, God, I don't want to go through that again!!! [runs around the comment room laughing for no apparent reason]

[stops running] Anyway, the reason I came here is... well, you see, I have the sticker album, and I was able to fill 179 blanks. They're 180!!! I'm missing ONE sticker! Just one sticker! And it's really getting on my nerves! [grabs her hair] I am missing the 168th sticker. If anyone knows what scene that sticker has, please, PLEASE, make a fan happy and tell me what scene of Gargoyles that sticker has. Please? Oh, please? Please? Please???

That would make me VERY happy. I've been looking for that sticker for three long years. Or is that four? [scratches her head]

Even if the sticker album is in spanish, I treasure it. :)

I could also start mentioning all the Gargoyles' merchandise that I have, but I don't want to bore you guys. :)

Oh, well, I guess that's all. See ya!
Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:38:11 PM
IP: 63.91.204.66

I forgot to say...

Gargoyles and religion:> What religion are supposed to follow the Ishimuran Gargoyles? The usual Gargoyles' nameless pantheism, or Japanese Shinto?
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:29:02 PM
IP: h213-20-18.mi2.albacom.net

Stormy:> You're welcome! What do you think about the fighter?
BTW, how did you earn your nickname? In "Equality" there was only part of the story...

Green Baron:> Well, as I said, I'm not an economist, and I don't know the most recent theories. Of course you may ask me about Italy's previous governments :). Well, until '94, Italy was governed by a coalition formed by several right-wing and Catholic-inspired parties. They pretended to follow what they called a "libertarian" economy, meaning very low taxations and conspicuous public contributions to everyone pretended to start any new activity, no matter what or how. As resulted later, the coalition's men actual priority was to steal everythimg they could from Italy's people, by turning away taxation's revenues from national treasury and asking cuts to assign public works. That state of things went on for at least ten years, in public's apparent indifference, creating a huge rift in Italy's public balance (A rift that now is being slowly filled-but years will have to pass before it disappears). In 1994, a magistrate, Antonio Di Pietro, started an inquiry about that. Starting from a relatively unimportant episode, the inquiry quickly extended until some of the most important politicians at that time were involved. Some of them were condemned, at least one of them escaped abroad to avoid jail. In the following two years, Italy was governed by a "technical" government (Meaning that ministers were not members of the majority parties, but experts cosen from outside the Parliament) guided by Carlo Azeglio Ciampi (Ciampi has later been Minister for Economics in the following years, recently he has been elected President of Italian Reoublic). Ciampi started the Keynesian politics, in order to allow Italy to exit the crisis that had exploded. The technical government stayed till '96's elections. Well, Italian politics is a bit complex, but I hope I was able to explain it to you.

Ave atque Vale!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:26:14 PM
IP: h213-20-18.mi2.albacom.net

Bengali: oh...sorry. {please pass the info on to that invididual, please?}. <embarased smile>.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:18:11 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Durn, did it again!
I forgot to put in my say on a topic sorry! (meekly looks around)

Eating Gargoyles> ***faints***
What?! Why would ya' do that? *Faints again*

***Leaves CR***
silverstar
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:16:12 PM
IP: l2p19.dav.mother.com

Hello all!

Today I found out that a friend of mines' mom had a heart attack! It came as such a shock to me. Her mom is so nice and I want to send something to her but don't know what. (sighs) Geuss things like this happen to good peopleall the time huh?

SOROW> Wish I had a dream with Goliath and Brooklyn as the main characters!

Mecord> Your garg dream is strange! It sounds like it would be a good movie though :) As for the cliff dream bit, once I had a dream that I was being chased by the TMNT(don't know why) but I fell off the cliff and hit the ground. I woke up on the ground with the wind knocked otta' me.

While on that topic I had another weird dream last night. The girl that I was talking about who's mom had a heart attack, I had a dream that she picked me up from somewhere, but she looked really sick. Then today I found out that she had a heart attack! WEIRD!

Green Baron> The girl was trying to convert ya'?! At a loss for words here at the moment. No wait here they come. WHY in the universe would ya' date someont jus' to try and convert them?! PEOPLE ARE SO, sorry lost my words again.

Anyway on to another topic.
SPRING BREAK> Mine isn't for another (looks at watch) WHAT?! Another 3 weeks?! AHHHHHH! I need a break! (calms down takes a deep breath) Anywho how are ya'll doing with your spring breaks? Or if your like me a haven't had one yet, how are ya' going to spend it?

Well Gotta' go. Bye!
***Goes in search of lost words***
silverstar
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:12:53 PM
IP: l2p19.dav.mother.com

Rodlox>I never asked that, I believe it was Shadowrider that was hosting that poll.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:11:23 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

Mr. T.Jensen: sorry for misspellingg your name!! forgiven?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:58:30 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Bengali: the 'other answer' was when you asked what people would want to be. {garg/mutate/cyborg/etc}.

Mr Jenson: <<Your Jewish gargoyle views her people as those of Esau son of Isaac", but I was under the impression that the Jews viewed their forefather as Jacob rather than Esau.>> you're right, in that, they think of themselves as _secular_ decendants of Jacob...but the line "my brother Esau is a hairy man" {in my ficverse} shows them as biological decendants of Esau {remember the wings?}; it's their way of saying where their difference came from.

sorry for the confusion. questions still?

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:54:34 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Rodlox>One more thing, concerning the polls, I've got you down for Timedancer but I'm not sure what you meant by your other answer, I'm not hosting any poll like that, my two polls are.

1.If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?

2.If Gargoyles was to get back on the air which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:42:03 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

Rodlox>What I was mainly talking about was how some people were talking about what Gargoyles would taste like {frankly I dont think they would taste like chicken} and Tokus saying that he thought that they should go with rice pilaf and wine. I myself really dont like he idea of eating anything that can speak, is smarter than a cow or pig, can understand what one is saying or is in any way related to me. As for your fics, I doubt that Gargoyles eat their dead, but what they do in your ficverse is your own choice.

p.s.-Eating Orangutans, other Apes and Whales and Dolphins is illegal in most countries.

p.s.s-Like I said before, no offense meant.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:38:27 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

RODLOX - I see what you're on about now. (I've got to admit, though, that I'd never even seriously imagined gargoyles doing much with adopting human religions).

Incidentally, I just read your ficbit, and one thing puzzles me. Your Jewish gargoyle views her people as "those of Esau son of Isaac", but I was under the impression that the Jews viewed their forefather as Jacob rather than Esau.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:24:29 PM
IP: 216.87.46.126.dialup-stl.primary.net

PS: gargoyles may be sentient...but so are dolphins and whales, both of which are still on menus in some parts of hte world. and Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Orangutangs....need i go on?

i don't mean to flame anyone.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:15:19 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Bengali: put me down for TIMEDANCER votes, okay? oh..and for "which would you like to be?", i'll go with my natural form: Wendol {yes, a grendel}.
. about the disgustingness of eating gargs, scroll a few lines for my explanation.


ALL: i asked about if Gargoyles were Kosher because in my fic-verse, gargoyles eat their dead {not unlike some human tribes}; if a clan was converted to the Hebrew faith, then i was wondering if they would be allowed to continue that funerary practice.

NOTE: in ancient societies, eating your enemy {be they wolf or man} was an accepted and acceptible means of gaining their power. even as recently as 1900, there were South American tribes of indians who ground up their dead relatives into a paste, mixed it with cassava {or a similar root} beer, and ate it, thus gaining their knowledge and power.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:13:03 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Poll Update!

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?

1.Y=0 votes
2.Y-7 or G=4 votes
3.PG=3 votes
4.PG-13 or TV-14=12 votes
5.NC-17 or R=0 votes
6.No consriction to ratings=1 vote
7.Whatever Greg wants it to be=1 vote

PG-13 and TV-14 have got this one beat.

Poll #2>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

1.New Olympians=0 votes
2.Gargoyles=9 votes
3.Pendragon=0 votes
4.Timedancer=8 votes
5.Bad Guys=2 votes
6.Dark Ages=1 vote
7.Gargoyles 2158=1 vote

Timedancer is making a comeback!

Wierd Dreams>ALL of my dreams are wierd, but they are mostly a mix-up of things that I've thought about, seen or done during the day.

Eating Gargoyles, like I said before, ewwwwww..., I'm kinda surprised a where this topic has gone, I dont see discussing eating Gargoyles any different than discussing eating other humans, especially since both are sentient creatures, I mean, can anyone here picture someone saying "Pass me another leg of Brooklyn" or "Those Goliath ribs sure taste good"?, sheesh, some of you guys are talking about how you think Gargoyles would taste like and what Gargoyles would go good with or where they stand with the Jewish Kosher diets, I think its a little on the strange side, no offence meant though.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 06:55:06 PM
IP: spider-ti023.proxy.aol.com

BTW, Yggdrasill and Ratatosk (the squirrel who lived there) are going to play a major role in a fantasy novel that I'm currently writing, particularly Ratatosk, who's a companion figure to the protagonist during much of the story. I take a slightly different slant on Ratatosk than the traditional Norse myths do; in my story, he's been *forced* to deliver the eagle and Nidhog's messages to each other, and is not very enthusiastic about having gotten drafted for the job.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 06:53:39 PM
IP: 216.87.46.126.dialup-stl.primary.net

I'm back from my 3000 mile check-up!

Weird Dreams: I remember having some weird gargoyle dreams, but I can't remember what they were about.

Kit: "Funny, Cyborg, I don't recall mentioning this topic" Sorry Kit, I think I misinterpreted your badgering for character descriptions for Coyote's stories. They're nice to know, though.

Green Baron: "Aren't [francophones] called Canucks?" Gack! *cough cough, Cyborg fall off chair and go BOOM! She composes herself and tries to answer in a normal voice* No.
'Canuck' is another word for 'Canadian' (I actually prefer the term canuck, but few people know it) A 'francophone' is a French- Canadian living in Quebec. The term does NOT apply to French- Canadians living in other parts of the country (or the world). 'Francophone' literally means 'french- speaker'. The three _phones in Quebec are there to aide in the burocracy of racism. Francophones are on top (full citizens), angolphones like me (english speakers) are in the middle (half citizens), and allophones (visual minorities and immegrants whose FIRST language is neither french nor english) are on the bottom (barely citizens). By law (this is where the _phones orriginally came in) everyone MUST be fluent in french in order to be a citizen at all, anglophone children can only be taught english with special government dispensation, and allophone children are not allowed to learn english at all, but must go to french schools.

I would LOVE to continue on this thread, however, I would probably start flamming. Besides, I have to go to (french) class. Bye for now!
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 05:52:13 PM
IP: ssdma.dawsoncollege.qc.ca

::Green Baron walks back into the computer lab afetr a good 30 minute workout::

I burned over 200 claories and did over 2 miles on the rumnaster in just 30 minutes...I feel good!!!

Kaioto> Well, my explanation would have been longer, more long-winded and not as simple as yours, so you stole my thunder (or part of it), but I'm glad you did :)

That basicly sounds like what came out of my Economics classes, too :)

Kitainia> I can still throw in a few things :)

<<It's also good for merchants because they can up their prices a bit. Am I wrong on this? >> Yes, but most peopel would be on this point.

Currently, I am taking a Marketing/Economics class about Pricing and the pricing model you dicussed was the cost-plus pricing, in which an object's price is relative to the cost like Cost+20%, etc. This is common for many things, becuase this is the easiest model to use, but it is also a poor model to use, because of what one can do with pricing. For instance, luxury goods are as expensive as they are, because their price is part fo what makes them appealing, like I imagine you would love to get some special deal where you coudl buy a mercedes for $15,000, though it would still be generally priced at $60,000, but if a $60,000 car was selling on the open market (no special exclusive jsut you deal) for only $15,000, most people would be suspicious. Case in point: As a pricing experiment, someone put up a dispaly for gallon jugs of chanel #5 (a very expensive perfume) for $5.00 a jug and no one bought any, because they thought the perfume was defective.

Also, many prices in fast food are $.99 or $1.99 for a special reaosn, because the odd-pricing makes someone see a bigger discount between 1.00 and .99 than the actual penny.

As for the minimum wage helping families supporetd by it, if teh Government really wanted to help these people, they could increase per-person tax deductions and raise the minimum tax bracket salaries, so more poorer families could keep more of their income.

Why would the minimum wage be increased: Main reaosn is Unions. If you have a construction site and want a certain job done, you have choices on who to hire. Let's say you can get the same work done by 3 teenagers without skills or the skilled guy in the Union. Now, it would only makes sense to hire the one guy in the Union if his pay was less than the other three combined. To hire the Union guy, it woudl cost $55.00 a day, or you can hire the three teenagers for $17.00 a day each, making their cost $51.00 a day. Naturally, you'd hire the three teenagers. The Union sees this and lobbies Congress to raise the minimum wage so that easch kid would have to be paid $20.00 a day. Then, it would be logical to hire the Union guy. I hope that helps you.

The dog is doing her job. The kids are basically angry and one threw his air Nikes at her across teh fence (she wasn't hurt at all), but they won't be violating our property rights anymore :)

I'll be calling up the OTS recruiter soon, and hopefully, 2nd Lieutenant Forsyth can arrive at G'01 :)

Archwolf> <<Fightter Pukes...hehe. Yer all alike. >> Huh? I say we jump him, Mary :)

Shadowrider> Sorry I missed responding to you earlier. May I ask what type of Government was in control before the SDs? Well, Keynes was a very brilliant man who even knew the Versailles treaty was a big mistake back in 1919 and most of acadmeia largely follows Keynesianism today, even though it pretty much went belly up in the US over the seventies, bringing on newer schools of Economists, including Supply-Side and various neo-classical models. Keynesianism is also a good transition model for countries like Russia or Yugoslavia or Cuba (once Communism dies there).

Political Humor> The Onion has an interecting article about Governor Bush. Click on my name :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 05:44:29 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Shadowrider: Thanks!

Fighter puke...actually, IRL, Glider Jock and PROUD

Aaron: Love your poem. and you are evil...so...

*Stormy looks at DC with his case of Dr Pepper, starts salivating, gets a manaical look in her eyes, and draws a big socket wrench (Spring. Glider assembly time.)*

*Her characters...Wagner with the Assassin's Blade, Kyrie with a big machine gun, Duke with brass knuckles, Luther with a ball of fire blazing in her hands, and the rest of the assortment join in, as Wagner says, "if only to hush her up from those late night cola cravings"

****hideously disgusting censored DC death****

*Wagner cracks open a can of Dr. P and hands it to Stormy.

"No...aaaa...I CAN'T!" *runs away*

So ends this post.
Stormy
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 05:19:36 PM
IP: dynixpc2.huron.uwo.ca

Archwolf> Well, Tarantino postulated that there were only two kinds of people, Elvis people and Beatles people. While I'm not sure that's true, I have never really seen what the big deal is. Gimmie the Stones any day.

Kitainia> Well, Toku covered it pretty well, but just to supplement... According to my mom, who was working minimum wage back when Carter raised it, after the increase, management cut everyone's hours, so everybody made the same money or less, and they operated with fewer staff memebers.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 04:35:23 PM
IP: ppp-47.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Stormy:> I just realized that, in my post about the Typhoon fighter, I gave you the wrong site. If you're interested about the Typhoon, click on my name.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 04:20:11 PM
IP: h255-21-238.mi2.albacom.net

Eating Gargoyles:

Hm … well … let me think now.

As for the indigestion part, I’d have to say that a good soaking in Buffalo sauce make things go down SO much better. ^_^ As for wine … what about an aged Merlot? I think Gargoyle meet needs a side of Rice Pilaf and cut carrots … something tells me that gargoyles taste like chicken.

Kit> <Green Baron: Pardon me for asking, but how does a minimum wage increase hurt teenagers? I've heard that, but never really understood it. The way I see things, an increase is good for all workers because it gets us more money. It's also good for merchants because they can up their prices a bit. Am I wrong on this? I don't really know economics that well, so I very well could be. >

I don’t want to steal Green Baron’s thunder here or anything, but we just went over this thing in macro economics which I’m studying all this week for macro.

There is something VERY important to remember about the minimum wage …

Most people in our economy Don’t make the minimum wage, they make a more. Only a VERY small fraction of adults and family-bread-earners are stuck at the minimum wage. Most minimum-wage earners are teenagers.

Raising the minimum wage in NO way raises Everyone’s wages … that was a big complaint at one of my old jobs, people who worked up from minimum wage and got screwed the next year when the new higher were making the same as them again.

The big consequence of putting those two points together is this:

RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE DOES NOT INCREASE THE INCOME OF WORKING AMERICAN FAMILIES.

There are exception to this down nearest the poverty line, but the politicians who push the minimum wage as blowing smoke up people’s butts when they say that raising the minimum wage is about helping working-class families make more money.

The Real-Life consequences of raising the minimum wage are these:

The wages of a huge amount of the population do not increase, thus the available income of the American consumer does not go up significantly. This means that businesses can’t get away with raising prices the way Kit suggested.

In fact, the businesses that employ less minimum-wage level workers take less damage from the minimum wage increase. This actively Encourages business to replace teenage-type, part-time, minimum wage-level workers with full timers and simply pay fewer people more to do the work that minimum-wagers would.

In that way, the minimum wage increase makes teenagers and low-skilled laborers less employable and their ranks get thinned and downsized. This isn’t the business being heartless, it is just basic accounting.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 03:55:55 PM
IP: 1cust110.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Just a quick post.

Cherry Blossom:> I'm sad of hearing you're in troubles. In this moment, I'd like to believe in any God, so I could pray for you. Instead, I can only tell you I'm with you, with my spirit at least. I hope that, anything is happening to you, will be over soon!

In bocca al lupo, Cherry! Noi siamo con te!

Eating Gargoyles:> :P I think I prefer chicken. I have a rule: never eat anything that used to call your name (and also some of the other things)

Gargoyles dreams:I make dreams very rarely. When it happens, usually are nightmares. I'd not like my beloved Gargoyles to be involved.

Later
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 03:45:13 PM
IP: h255-21-238.mi2.albacom.net

RP WARNING!!!
**Boston, Massachusettes
Attila and his scouts arrive near the place tehy were told to meet the girl.
"I hope we kill those Kennedy scum fast. We need to retrun to LA and help the Ravens."
"We're getting paid some good silver, so let's not complain."
"Silver?" Attila asks nervously.
"Yep, a half-ton of silver," replies Bernadette.
"Half-ton..silver...wait a minute. I think we were set up."
"Why's that, Brigitte?"
"Our fee woudl amount to a half-ton of silver half-dollars and guess who's on them."
"Arrah, arrah, you're right, girls," says a distant slurred voice.
"Your own ahh greed betrayed you away, you vile rich pig"
"I'm a cat and you're whole family is full of wealth it doesn't deserve."
"But I ah am generous with the taxpayers money in giving it away for all sorts of ah causes," explained Patrick Kennedy.
"Well, father and son cokesnorters are no match for Reverend Attila and the Catholic schoolgirl scouts...."
The five girls and cat suddenly fall asleep for no reason.
"Good work with that sleeping gas. It seems people who have snorted coke are immune to the effects and no one can smell it. How'd you acquire it, Patrick?"
"Well, dad, it was manufactured in St. Louis and Gephardt gave it to me, when I told him my case. Now, this stuff will get its patent and FDA approval, and we now know snorting catnip does not grant any immunity."
"What would you do with that ah cat if he was immune?"
"I guess I didn't think about that. Now, let's look up their skirts, before they wake up."**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!

Wilek> <<Eating gargoyles> Firstly, ew. Secondly...I seem to remember this topic coming up in the main CR. >> Yes, and it was initiated by Todd Jensen, I beleive :)

Cyborg> Socrates not existing? That sounds surprising. On the other hand, he had no writings on his own. Wouldn't it be funny if he was invented by Plato?

<<I can't in good conciense be prejudicial to those rasist Francophones. (HeHe)>> Aren't they called Canucks?

<<you can submit your reciepts and get the service taxes you paid here back>> Then I'm all for a Canadian Gathering :)Sales tax reimbursement ::drools::

Warpmind> Surprisingly, I have never run afoul of the police, though I have never doen anything terribly illegal beyond jaywalk. Of course, in NO if you get in trouble, you just have to bribe a cop.

<<He just transferred from a precinct in Oslo, one that daily deals with some of the toughest criminals in the country.>> How tough are these criminals :)

<<as long as I get my cigars.>> I was always planning to let you have cigars. Firts ten a month would be free, but all others you'd pay for. Luckily, all tarriffs wil be illegal under the new regime so you can buy them duty free :)

Aaron> I don't like turkey much, but tofurkeys sounds even worse. Actually, I think Chinese food would be good for Thanksgiving :)

Caliope> Surprisingly, I have no opinion or real knowledge about the Naval base, other than some talk about about it being used to bomb other uninhabited Carribean islands for testing, or is that something else entriely?

Robby> Now, you're just cruel :)

Fire Storm> Attila the Hun posted back in late December or so.

Joe Boxer> How was New Orleans? Did you take the streetcar?

Stormy> Thanks. I think flying would be a little too wild for me :) I hope I can get my MBA courtesay of USAF and maybe even a JD :)

Silverstar> Jessica was also a Pentecostal and she tried to convert me. Anyone who knows me realizes how futile that would be :)

I'm being kicked out fo teh comp lab for a class. I'll be back later :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 03:35:11 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102

**RP HERE**

"Are you alright?" Kit asks the last Raven she and her friends pull out of the water, Gubio, just before the heavily damaged shuttle fully sinks. "Yeah," the hacker nods, taking his position on the very crowded life raft and grimacing at Jaden's complaints. "I don't suppose one of you retrieved my laptop before it went under." "Uh, sorry," Doug grimaces. "We didn't see a sign of it when we landed and then we were so busy taking the raft out and..." "Oh great!" Gubio throws up his hands. "Do you guys know how much high technology was in that thing? It's all ruined now, and, and..." "Here," Erin cuts off his whining, showing him her laptop. "Use mine. It's got waterproof casing, and all the files from yours saved on backup crystal as I remember you suggesting to me a few nights back." "You are a lifesaver," Gubio tells her. She nods and then gives him a kiss on the lips. "Okay," Kit nods at them, "now that that little crisis is over, what say we all break out for some oars and start rowing for Los Angeles? Asil's not going to wait for us." "No need to row," Elena says. "I've already got a current control spell moving us in the right direction." "As do I," Lathrop adds. "We should be at Los Angeles in a matter of minutes, less if the waves don't start acting up around us like they were around the Long Beach part of the city." "I hope we can arrive quickly," Grifix frowns. "What with those elementals attacking the city and our common enemy Asil moving toward the Nielsen Ratings Board's corporate offices..." "Wait a minute," Doug interrupts him. "You didn't tell us she was attacking that particular building." "I didn't think it was important. You still want to stop her, right?" "Of course," Stephanie frowns, "but uh, with all the good shows they've forced off the air, who doesn't want to see the Nielsen Ratings Board go up in flames?" "Not to mention all the bad shows they've made go on forever," adds Jammer. "Well, uh, that doesn't matter, right?" Boris asks. "The Bore has a point," Tom nods. "We must stop Asil from killing people. Doesn't matter who they are. Besides, won't the whole American TV industry collapse without the NRB?" "We'll worry about that if we have to once we get there," Doug sighs, taking an oar from his backpack and starting to paddle the life raft. "I don't know about the rest of you but I think we need to get on to Los Angeles and save the city before we do any thinking about why." "That would be the good guy thing to do," Kit agrees, then turns to make a post as all the other Ravens start doing what they can to get the life raft to Los Angeles.

**END RP FIRST HALF**

Greetings CR dwellers. How are all of you on this wonderful Spring Break day? <looks over posts> Okay, it seems like most of you are doing fine. Good. Doug and I are as well, and we're pretty much enjoying the free time we have. More of which I'll use now to stay caught up in here. Let's see, what topics do I need to speak about? :)

Spike: Thanks for posting those winner results. Glad Alex, Stephen, and Christine did well. I liked their stories the best out of all entries, and voted for them of course. :) Congrats to all winners.

Mandi: Ack, good luck avoiding that killer. You probably won't ever meet the guy, but I'd keep the Mace handy just in case. :) Sorry to hear about the fire, glad you didn't lose much (but I too am sad about the teddy ruxpin). Also, hope you enjoy your Spring Break, even if it comes with all the hassles of family. :)

Character Description: Funny, Cyborg, I don't recall mentioning this topic. Oh well, I'll do one anyway. My RP character is a female half-garg that looks something like I do in real life. Click my name for a picture done by Coyote. I have all the abilities of a garg (enhanced strength, gliding, enhanced reflexes, prehensile tail) plus retractable claws and a healing factor to replace stone sleep courtesy of SJ's father. A slight inconitence and high level of insomnia are the associated disadvantages. I can fight with kickboxing skills I had before the change, which have improved afterwards, and also carry a laser rifle (borrowed from Demona and never returned), a rocket launcher, and a Super Soaker usually filled with hot water (Steamer) in my backpack. I ride a souped-up Kawasaki bike called the Road Moccassin when not gliding. Other than that, <shrugs> not much to describe.

Aaron: Women and Gender Studies at your university featured a speaker like that? :( Boy, am I glad I've decided I don't need to take that course. From what I've heard and seen, my university isn't any better about finding jerks to talk for its courses instead of people who know their topics and have interesting things to say. (The ones who do are always a blessing.)

Green Baron: Pardon me for asking, but how does a minimum wage increase hurt teenagers? I've heard that, but never really understood it. The way I see things, an increase is good for all workers because it gets us more money. It's also good for merchants because they can up their prices a bit. Am I wrong on this? I don't really know economics that well, so I very well could be. :( Good luck with the dog, and the bad urchins, as well as the Air Force next year. I agree with you about Bush and Gore.

Coyote: You got all the descriptions you need? Okay, good, I'll stop pestering people. :) Hope you soon have the time you need to write the stories, I'll be waiting for them. Good luck with work, and the car.

Wilek: Right, patience. Gotta remember that. :) Thanks for the reminder, and for answering my Nereus Project questions. BTW, related topic- apology to all Canadians in here. I forgot we had a few of you. I'm sure we can gladly let you control your part of the world after the takeover, you deserve it more than Traveler and would probably do a better job. He can still have France (unless of course we have some French people in here which I don't think we do), provided of course he returns to us sometime. And Jackal, Deuce, Fleur, and all our other missing people should as well. <sighs>

Madame Destine: Good job on your latest fic. I liked the plot details, writing, dialogue, and especially the descriptions. Not much character development, but that can be excused, I guess, given the kind of story it was. <smiles> Not saying more than that, I don't want to mess up the room.

Christine: Oh great! And when do I get to see those books? Soon, I hope. Just to give you a heads-up, Doug and I may be ordering some extra copies from you when they're published. He came up with this scheme to put them on the shelves of area bookstores in a visible position to make at least the local booksellers and readers notice your work. We're not sure if it's feasible, but we might try it just the same. It'd be worth it if it comes through. :)

Spacebabie: No problem with the mixup. That Kit is one of my favorite literary characters and also has been an idol of mine at times (though never on the turning-evil part. :)

Pistoff: Ack, sorry your pay has gone down a little. Here's hoping it soon returns to previous level. I hope you don't have to give us up because of it, but if you do...<sighs> We'll miss you. Stay around, okay? :)

Robby: TD Season Three doesn't start till next Thursday? Oh come on, why can't it be sooner? Like now, when I have the time to really read over and enjoy it? <sighs> Oh well, can't change things, I guess. I'll just keep waiting instead, like I am for new Buffy episodes (and we're not getting any of them till April 4 <rolls eyes>). I'm sure the material will be worth the pent-up impatience and angst. :)

Jewel: Xena for President? Hmm, I could see that. :) Doubt I'll be voting for her come November given that she's a fictional character and all, but Bush and Gore instead...<sighs> Oh well, I don't want to think about it right now. Good luck getting your hectic life back together soon. Same to SJ, Pistoff, and anyone else whose life is currently suffering trouble. I'll be praying for you all. :)

Jessie Feff: Feedback, right. Okay, uh, thanks for asking for it, you're right, I should give you some. Usually I only do so on exceptionally good stories I read and I rarely point out people's mistakes since I don't usually take the time to go digging for them, but since you asked I will provide. :) I liked your story's plot, general script, and some of its fantasy elements (the goblins and dragon in particular provided some good comedy bits). The dialogue was also generally nice, and so was the overall writing. The things that held it down IMO were the lack of character development on anybody (stories without it can be good, but they generally don't interest me that much) and a few scenes that made me shiver more than be entertained (the troll one was an example, I think Doug's already told you the reason I didn't like that. I too had no problem with your main character's orientation, it worked for the story and her, but people who think about men the way she did and don't even give them a chance because of the bad apples among the species bother me. In real life and in stories. Once I saw a character like that as the main character of your story, being entertained by her exploits became a lot harder for me. :(). Other than that, I really didn't have any problems with the story. I liked it, and would have liked it better if a couple things were done differently (mentioned above). The pics I liked completely, though they could have used a little color. :) Hope this helps you improve your writing, and keep up the good work.

Polls: Put me down for Gargs at TV-14. I think it would be best shown that way, but will take just about anything to get it back on the air in the same form as it had before TGC. :) My favorite spinoff would be Timedancer, because of all the stories it would have, the things SOROW mentioned, and Brooklyn. :)

SOROW: Welcome back! Congrats on doing so well in your competition. Hope you continue to do well whenever the next challenge arrives.

PETA: <mutters angrily> I too despise those people, despite the fact that I agree with some of their causes. Personally, I support the idea Jammer proposed once about having them volunteer for the same treatment as the animals they argue for get, to "better understand what it is they are doing." It would change a lot of their minds, probably. :) As for their Got Beer ads, if they appear on any campus billboards or flyer posts, I'm tearing them up and/or burning them down no matter the consequences. I agree with the people who have aired complaints about alcohol making campuses nationwide too noisy, dangerous, and full of stupid jerks. <sighs> PETA people may have some points about animals that need helping, but I think we should worry about our own species before all of theirs (and yes, that does mean that sooner or later we'll have to get rid of all the idiotic jerks among us, including the PETA folk :( ).

Archwolf: Augh, talk about an awful set of circumstances. <sighs> Good luck getting through it, friend. You will have my prayers behind you. :)

<looks over posts again> I guess that's about it for now. Everything else I either am not involved in, don't care about, or am too disgusted to comment on (you guess what two topics those are). I'll see you all again next time, till then everybody stay cool. :) Later!

**RESUME THE RP NOW**

Kit finishes posting, just as the Ravens get close enough to Los Angeles to start being tossed about by some very heavy waves. "Surf's up, dudes!" somebody on a surfboard yells at them as he goes past the raft just before he is knocked over by a particularly large crest of water. Other surfers all over the beach are also being knocked down along with swimmers, people on jetskis, and lifeguards. Even a few boats are being capsized, their passengers leaping out and swimming for shore as fast as they can. "This looks bad," Keith gives an understatement, and Orion nods. "According to the radio, there's still a major quake going on in downtown Los Angeles and the fire in Beverly Hills has spread to the Walk of Fame and Rodeo Drive. Firefighters are unable to stop it. We're going to have to get in there and do something." "Uh, guys," Shauna brings up a point. "Have y'all noticed something?" "What?" Doug asks. "These elementals aren't really causing disasters. They're just keeping the city busy and panicked. Which means they're waiting to attack something else." "Oh man," Kit realizes the implications. "They're coming after us." Shauna nods. "Judging by that way the air elemental broke off his windstorm to attack our shuttle, I'd say so." "Wonderful," Doug mutters. "At least that makes them easy to deal with." Just then Stephanie screams a warning and they all turn as she points to a huge wave that has just destroyed half of Santa Monica Pier and is now heading towards the Ravens' life raft. A face can clearly be seen in its side, and arms are also forming from it as the wave gets closer. "Let me guess," Elena says to Lathrop. "Water elemental." The wizard nods. "Earth and fire are also somewhere around here. Looks like they're attacking us one at a time." "Well, break out another scroll of elemental dismissal," Jammer suggests. "What are you waiting for?" "I, uh," Lathrop sighs. "I only had one." "Great!" Jammer sighs as the elemental keeps coming. "Guys, we better get to shore fast!" The others all nod and resume paddling at an increased rate as their latest elemental adversary begins to drop his shadow over their craft.

**TO BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME, END RP FOR NOW**
Kitainia
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 03:20:32 PM
IP: pool-209-138-214-207.dlls.grid.net

Just dropped in for a quick post.EATING GARGOYLES<<:Mmmmmmm....mmmmmm....finger licken good.....NO wait i mean ewwwwwwwwwww gross..{looks around room to see if anybody caught that}.FANFIC<<:Plan on posting one character bio on the post a day for the next week.I should have one up by latter tonight.Please tell me what you think of it after it is posted.All comments will be much appreciated and will be taken with respect{unless their bad then i am gonna hunt you down and use a dull rusted butter knife to..........}just kidding..{looks around the room shadily}
Jeremy - [www.Hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 02:48:30 PM
IP: xcom-78-222.mdc.net

*Archwolf enters the room with steam billowing out his ears*

***Warning: Incoming Rant***
I HATE THIS F**king SCHOOL! They send my bills to the wrong address...they send them to a CLOSED dormatory during breaks...they send them EVERYWHERE BUT MY HOME! Then they expect me to pay them 3 days before i get them. So i went to complain today about it...and it turns out that somehow, my balance is payed off, and i am getting a refund check. So I asked where that last payment came from "I dunno". Ok. Why is that part of the rant? Because if some schmuck has payed his bll and it got credited to me, when things get sorted out, i will endup owing about 5 times as much and God alone knows what else
***End Rant***

PETA>Stick 'em all in one giant microwave oven, turn it on, and see what happens.

Cherry Blosom>We're here for you *comforting hug*

Gside><<So you have read Sluggy Freelance. Is it not nifty? >> More Slggy fans!?! *poing poing* NIFTY!

Warpmind>You are very cruel. I gave up cigars for Lent. Well, for Lent and for the regular NCAA season as well. I would kill for a good cigar (and my Assitant Coach actually does have a few real Cubans hidden away. Don't ask how he got em, cause i don't know (But he'll sell me one for $250..yeah, right!))

Weird dreams> You don't wanna know

Older ppl>Any of you who where around during the whole Beatlemania thing (and from some of what I've read here, there have to be some), What was the big deal about the Beatles?!?!? Yeah, some of their music was ok (lets face it...most of you Beatles Fans hated "Revolution 9" as much as I did), but still, WTF!? We are studying them in my Roots of Rock and Soul Class, and Chaz (our prof) talks like they are the Second, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Commings of Christ! Some one PLEASE explain this to me!

Stormy and GB>Fightter Pukes...hehe. Yer all alike.

**RP**
Archwolf had left the battle shortly before it ended. He figured these Ravens had had it covered. He really wanted to track down that elf and ask what exactly he had meant about his aura being sampled. If it was as he thought, he and his packmates could be in a lot of trouble. He wandered into a secondary hangar, and found it recently deserted. There was an odd scent in the air. He tracked it, and was fairly surprised when he smacked into some sort of invisible wall. "What the..." He reached out for the wall, touched it, and felt it move. "Oh...you're th'elf's dragon, right?" He waited for an answer, but got none. Warfrost just looked at Archwolf. "Well, if you _are_, and he shows up, can you ask him to maybe wait for me for a bit, there are some...cousins of mine i need to speak to." At this, the direwolf growled something, and Archwolf turned to him. "Don't worry. This will affect them there, too. Just 'cause they live on a magical island on the other side of the gateway doesn't mean they can't be affected." With that, he looked at the shiny bay bulkhead, looked _through_ it, and dissapeared. Warfrost snorted. 'Hasty Cub...doens't think about his actions.' He turned his head to look at the dragon, and heard his similar minded response clearly. The cub had never even asked if Warfrost could see or hear Baldric (Jeez, Mec, I hope i got the name right). Oh well.
**End RP**
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 02:43:24 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Eating gargoyles> Firstly, ew. Secondly...I seem to remember this topic coming up in the main CR. I think the conclusion was reached that the biochemistry required for turning to stone would make any human really, really ill if ingested. Ah, revenge. >:)

Gunjack> <<Uh, I AM trying to stay inside the "Gargoyles" technology>> Gargoyles' technology is what the individual fic writer makes of it. I'm working on a ficverse whose technology (outside of Earth, at any rate) is very roughly equivalent to Star Wars. :) <<I'm wanting to play HL deathmatch, but I'm not sure what the deal is w/ long distance charges. Does deathmatching count as long distace?>> Um...if you're dialing outside your area code. (Will your ISP handle it?)

Warpmind> <<Care to send me some photos of the former army, just so I can taunt the misanthrope in the Scandinavian branch of those... upstart rebels? (If you *have* any, that is.)>> I have one of what was left of one of them. >:) <<I begin to suspect the Nereus Project will require a Darwinism Enforcement Squad... ;)>> What do you think I'll be using the Joyriders for? ;) <<you know the guy who claimed to have 8 million troops on the Lunar and Mars bases? And you sent in your guys to find them, but they were just 8000? Well, I confronted the local person in question... and he said he was just joking before. So, now I wonder... who the HELL owned those troops you dealt with??? Could you see if there are any remaining insignia on them?>> Eh...?! O_o Hm...<accesses data records> The only insignia that was found was a patch depicting a three-pointed star with an eye in the middle. Never seen it before. <shrug>

Fire Storm> <<Hey, no problem. But I get the rights to Mount Olympis, ok?>> Sure thing. ^_^ <<Will we ever find out what the hell a "sluggy" is, and why is it freelancing?>> I always thought 'sluggy' was an adjective?

Skippy> <<The big question, does red or whinte wine go with bleeding heart vegitarians?>> Well, I don't drink, so I would probably go for carbonated PETA blood flavored ever so slightly with citrus, or just straight cola for more downscale/informal meals.

Silverstar> <<What is the weirdest gargoyle or other TV show dream ya' all have ever had?>> With the kind of dreams I have, I *hope* none of them involved Gargoyles. <shudder> The only other TV dream (or dream of any kind) I can remember offhand is something involving a Ferengi joining Starfleet...several years before Deep Space Nine...

Attila The Hun> <<I wonder when I will see my bloodthirsty soldiers again ::sigh::>> Isn't Warpmind working on a vehicle with a temporal drive? >;)

Mecord> <<Took me a moment to realize I was holding my breath.>> You know, for some reason, when I'm just starting to wake up but I'm not quite awake yet, I find myself holding my breath, for no apparent reason. O_o Odd...<<Anyone else have strange dreams?>> My dreams typically involve almost unrecognizably distorted and strange versions of things I'm familiar with...things from movies and video games and the like...laws of physics and object permanence go right out the window...<shakes head> I'd be happy never to remember any of my dreams...<<Mecord exits after handing a big pooper scooper to Wilek. You thought of the elephant, you get to clean the mess ;)>> Not in my contract, child. [Wilek summons some heavy duty cleaning droids, which reduce the elephant to a fine pink mist before it can leave anything on the floor.] Hehe.

Jannie> <<As amused as I am with her, it is tiring and I would welcome any suggestions to make her go away ;)>> Have you tried flaying off her skin and spraying her with citric acid?

Aaron> <<PETA offered 350 homeless shelters in the US and 34 in Canada holiday "tofurkeys": Tofu shaped to resemble turkey parts.>> Tofurkeys...?! o_o' Uggghhh...those idiots can go tofurkey themselves...

Cyborg> <<Does the immortality given in The Nereus Project, also include healling of illnesses as well as eternal youth? And does it also extend to significant others?>> Yup. ^_^
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 01:33:10 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Just popping by with a quick question... I'm wanting to play HL deathmatch, but I'm not sure what the deal is w/ long distance charges. Does deathmatching count as long distace?
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 01:21:50 PM
IP: spider-wl043.proxy.aol.com

Dang, this was supposed to go with my last post.

Jenna> Loved your poems. I'd try something like that for my ficverse, but it'd go something like this.

Lots of weird stuff happening
lots of bad stuff happening
lots of weird, bad stuff happening.

Warpmind> Congrats on intimidating a cop. The best I've ever done was scaring a security guard.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:54:54 PM
IP: ppp-228.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

*Cyborg enters the CR, looks around and realizes that she hasn't been in in a while...*

Before I get on with replies, I just thought I'd mention an interesting idea that was being tossed around IRL (by a bunch of college students who had been studying too hard): Socrates never existed. Some guy in anchient antiquity (sp) wanted to add his own $0.02 worth into a conversation, but knew that no one would listen to him, so instead he said that his master, who, belive him, was a very wise man, said this idea... His plan worked, and the others listend to his idea. Later on, among his friends, he was being compleatly jaded and cynical about society, and complaining to his friends. He explained what happend, and they all started using this way to express their own ideas. Somewhere along the way, this 'master' ended up with the name 'Socrates', and all of his 'students' went on to become revered wise men. Now I'm sure I'm not explaining this idea properly, but you get the gist of it, right? I'm also not saying that this the above is fact (is that a disclaimer or what?), only that it illustrates two things: an aspect of human nature, and how desperate students will get around mid- terms;)

Elephant (just for the sake of being cruel): Is it a pink elephant? *ponders*

Now... on to replies!

Blaming Canadians: What did I do wrong?
Blaming French Canadians: As a card-carrying Anglophone, I can't in good conciense be prejudicial to those rasist Francophones. (HeHe)

Eating gargoyles: If anyone here plays NetHack (a Linux RPG), you recieve the attribute 'resistance to being stoned' by eating a gargoyle's corps. Which is nonsensical because in that realm, gargoyles are not made of stone, and they don't turn to stone either.

Gunjack> Trenchcoats: I got my first trenchcoat when I was nine years old. It was navey blue. I have been wearing black trenchcoats for the past four years (OK, it's the same one). As you can see, I am, and always have been, a rabid treanchcoat lover.

Bengali's Polls: #1; rated general most of the time, with 'Parental Guidence' warnings for certain episodes, so they can still deal with touchy topics. #2; Put my vote for Timedancer, because I think it has the most potential for interesting story lines and topics. Disney really ruined Gargoyles in that respect IMHO.

Wilek: Does the immortality given in The Nereus Project, also include healling of illnesses as well as eternal youth? And does it also extend to significant others? I know I would not want to spend eternity without my Husband-Of-My-Heart. And what about suicide options?

Warpmind: I can sympathise with you, cops get on my nerves too. They always suspect my legs (or treanchcoat, or arms) have concealed weaponery. Don't even get me started on the language police... *grumble grumble racist mumble mumble*

Cherry Blossom: You have my prayers.

*Looks over post* That's a long one. Guess I got everything. Sorry if some of my replies are old. Speaking of old *smacks herself in the forehead* I can't remember who asked, but if you came to Canada, you can submit your reciepts and get the service taxes you paid here back. OK, now THAT'S everything. Got to go, it's time for my 3000 mile check- up, and I'm late. Bye!
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:53:34 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

Caliope: this may or may not be the 'Yragasil' they meant by that name, but:
. The Tree that spanned the Nine Worlds in Norse Mythology; the roots were chewed on by Nidhog the dragon, an eagle perched in the uppermost branches, and a squirrel ran up and down the trunk, carrying insults from one to the other. the Norns {fates} had their Well at the base of the Tree. {or was that Mirmir?}.

. people better versed in Norse mythos are welcomed to correct me.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:43:00 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Warpmind enters, wild-eyed, supporting himself on a cane, and obviously shaken. His adopted chibi family enters immediately afterwards, and chibi Talon zips over to the minibar and fixes up a quadruple whisky, handing it to Warpmind.*
Thanks, Talon. Guys, the reason I'm a little... stressed out right now, is that we have a new cop in town. He just transferred from a precinct in Oslo, one that daily deals with some of the toughest criminals in the country. And he moved up to our serene, practically drug-free piece of land. Today, he spotted me as I was on my way here, and I was smoking a cigar. He immediately suspected my cigar to contain something far different from tobacco... so I told him off. I said something like "Look, this cigar is pure tobacco. We can do this one of two ways, either you back off, or I come along, get the cigar tested for drugs, and I sue your @$$ off, and you lose your job. Alternative three would be for me to break both your arms, and earn being taken in." He immediately took the hint that I was in a foul mood, and moved on. *Warpmind gives his cane a twist and draws out a 27" sword.* Imagine what would have happened if he even suspected what this cane was... *Warpmind drains the whisky in one gulp, motioning for another.* That's better... today was STRESSFUL on my nerves...

Oh, well, on to replies...

Fire Storm: With a built-in GPS, I doubt the trench would be much of a concern. Plus, if titanium alloy is as light as you claim, the pressure would most likely be so high that I'd be kept above a certain depth.

Spacebabie: Skim milk does not equal fat-free milk? Jeeze, I begin to suspect the Nereus Project will require a Darwinism Enforcement Squad... ;)

By the way, speaking of Project Nereus... Wilek, you know the guy who claimed to have 8 million troops on the Lunar and Mars bases? And you sent in your guys to find them, but they were just 8000? Well, I confronted the local person in question... and he said he was just joking before. So, now I wonder... who the HELL owned those troops you dealt with??? Could you see if there are any remaining insignia on them?

Skippy: Neither red nor white wine. A vegetarian does not qualify as neither fish nor meat, since, as everone knows, you are what you eat. I believe water should be the appropriate beverage. Possibly carbonated mineral water.

Green Baron: After careful consideration, I have decided I will not make any objections to you "taking care" of Castro, as long as I get my cigars. (Hey, after all, if I'm immortal, I doubt I'll have to worry about the state of my lungs!) And as for the charismatic politician thing... I certainly hope you'll make an exception in my case. :)

Attila the Hun: Well, we probably have to make a few stops before we break the time barrier (I know I gotta check my supply on Dilithium cells; wouldn't be good to find a depleted store when we're trapped in the fourth century BC, or so...), but taking care of PETA should prove fun. We also have to deal with the guy behind the editing of current Gargoyles airing. I wanna test my Invertebrator Mark III on him. :)

Caliope: Visit you? I might... but my finances are badly stretched already. :( It would take a miracle to get me to G2K, which I actually place a few notches above visiting you. (No offense.)

By the way, I just got to read Pissy's latest rant. Anybody have a good remedy for burn injuries to the eyeballs? ;) Good points, though I must admit to not being entirely eye to eye with Pissy on several of those points. Which points, however, are, as he so nicely put it, not appropriate for this CR.

Oh, and Mecord... I had a flying dream once. It was very confusing, and quite frankly, I have no idea how it ended. All I know for sure is that somebody opened a kryptonite container on the ground, and what happened next is just a blur... ;)

*Warpmind stumbles to his feet.*
Well, I gotta go. Got RPG system definitions to write.

Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:49:14 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Aaron wanders in and flops down on the big purple couch.

Age of Wonders is going to be the death of me. I sit down to play for a little while, and then I look up and it's 2 a.m.

More PETA weirdness>PETA offered 350 homeless shelters in the US and 34 in Canada holiday "tofurkeys": Tofu shaped to resemble turkey parts. I'm sorry, but I think that's a really cruel joke to play on the homeless.

Stormy> True. (Hands DC a case of Dr. Pepper and tells him to go stand near Stormy)

Mec> I had a flying dream once. Flight was a really exhilarating sensation... until I hit that stand of pine trees.

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:35:21 AM
IP: ppp-228.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

*drags in to rest a while*
Geesh... we have a pest in Mini that won't go away. How many times does it take to be banned, chastised, joyriding ;) and plain out told to GO AWAY! before one catches on? *shakes head* twit. I actually find her somewhat interesting though. I have observed and encountered her abusive & immature behavior for over a year now in Mini and I have yet to see her ever take responsibility for her own behavior. Instead, she blames other people, she blames situations and she blames it on ADD. *chuckles* yeah right. As amused as I am with her, it is tiring and I would welcome any suggestions to make her go away ;) I believe that the room administrator is currently working on a permanent ban, but those who are familiar with the coding, etc. also know the difficulty involved in accomplishing such a feat. O_O

It's Spring Break this week for me... yippee.. I'm spending it healing from some major oral surgery O_o I had 9 teeth removed last Thursday. *spits out another stitch* eesh!
I had another mold made yesterday for the plate and the dentist forgot and when he pulled out the mold that had stuck to my gums - he pulled several stitches with it...*cringes* Needless to say, I lost my sense of humor there for a moment!
At least it's all beginning to heal now - once I discovered that the oral surgeon had given me penicillin and at Denis's urging, I took it and the infection cleared up :)

Cherry Blossom> sorry you are experiencing a difficult time. You are in my thoughts and prayers. *hugs*

Eat Gargoyle? *gags* Wouldn't that be a bit stringy and get stuck between your teeth? ;p

Pistoff> *hugs* great Joyride :) You still got it ;)

off to rinse with more salt water.. yummmy and after that... MORE cottage cheese! *falls over*
Jannie
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:05:10 AM
IP: 216-90-185-180.hou.port.mytelco.com

Hello! :)

Sevarious Jr> Hey, I remember you posted something about the posibilities that they were making a "Vampire Lestat" movie, but I herd reacently it was going to be "Queen of the damned" Do you have any info either way?...Oh, and....DONT STRANGLE THE MANATEE!!!! They're just big slipery sea puppy dogs! :P

Warpmind>"Maybe I ought to read that atlas of mine someday..." Yes, that would be usefull! :P If you ever actualy find me, come visit! :P

Yggdrasil> Hey! Bare with me here, I have a very slipery mind but, is your name from "Ah! Megami-sama"? Cuz it sounds familiar but I'm not sure. Thanx! :)

Political Question> Ok, so as you guys might know, I'm not very inclined to politics but I had a conversation with a friend and I wanted to get you guys's point of view, since some of you do seem to enjoy it. Ok, here it is:
How much do you guys know about the whole US Navy base in Viequez, Puerto Rico and what do you think about it?
I very much apreciate some feed back! Thanx guys! :)

Well, I should get going! I'll talk to you guys later! Bye! *HUGZ for all* :)
Caliope
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 08:16:13 AM
IP: 136.145.83.175

Quickie post

Eating Gargoyles>ewwwww...
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 02:50:43 AM
IP: spider-ti042.proxy.aol.com

**Mecord is seen pushing an elephant out the skylight.**

Wilek>> Ya had to go and think about the elephant didn’t ya? ;) Blasted things only show up if you think about them. So nobody think about the elephant! :)

Silverstar>> <What is the weirdest gargoyle or other TV show dream ya' all have ever had?> Oooooh, boy. Gargoyle dreams aplenty. But the weirdest one didn’t have any true gargoyles in it. Nice sunny day, three small ponds under a grove of willow trees. My parents were nearby watching me and my little brother. Point of view starts out normal (meaning the same as if I were awake). Then, from the other side of the pond, My little brother calls to me; he’s found something interesting. I jump high into the air. I drift over the pond and come to a rest next to an unastonished brother. In a dream of mine that’s nothing new. But this was different, I felt something strange. It was like air drifting across my back, only it felt like more back than I should have. And I felt something pulling at my back. It felt the same as if I were hanging by my arms, only I don’t have arms there. The view point swung out of my body to view myself as I looked for my reflection in the pond. WINGS! I had wings! They were much like Brooklyn’s wings. The membrane protruded down the length of my back and matched my skin color perfectly. I had no shirt on and was barefoot. Amazed I jumped again. Even though I was watching out of body, I could still *feel* the wings. Some time later, when I awoke, it was like phantom limb syndrome, I could close my eyes and remember what they felt like. If I weren’t already an elf I’d morph into a gargoyle. To this day, if I’m standing on a hill or building with a good wind, I stretch my non-corporeal wings and have to make an effort *not* to jump.

Dreams in general are strange to me. I have a small degree of dream control. Anyone ever have the classical “cliff dream”. You know, the one where you fall of a cliff and wake up just before you hit the ground. Well, I never hit the ground. As I fall I change the direction of my path and go flying instead. Once I wondered what it would be like if I actually hit the ground. So instead of flying I let myself fall. I hit the ground alright. Took me a moment to realize I was holding my breath. I looked up and found myself in a five foot impression of my own body. Shades of Coyote and Roadrunner. It's dreams like these (and I have lots more) that fuel my desire to fly without mechanical aid. Strange for a man whose supposed to be afraid of heights, huh?
Anyone else have strange dreams?

**** Warning, RP****
Mecord looked at his team. First there was Senthet. Female Elf, 5’ red tint to her hair, and Mecord’s rival in virtually every aspect of their careers. Next was Thicarrn. Also an Elf. Thicarrn was tall for an Elf, nearly 6’ tall. His hair was a light brown and his face was weather hardened. He sported a nasty looking broadsword and an illegal stungun. Then there was Thicarrn’s twin sister Lithanne, five and a half feet of blond death. Definitely the more deadly of the two. She was a master at hand to hand combat and though Mec didn’t see any weapons on her, she undoubtedly carried a large arsenal of blades and unconventional magics.
“Your going to give the Illuminati the impression the Guild is entirely Elven.”
Mecord turned to find a girl that looked to be no older than ten. Her coveralls were dirty as if she had been playing and she had weed stuck in her gold hair. This was the last member of his team, Locimanean. Everyone called her Lloky because of the trouble she caused. Lloky wasn’t ten, or human for that matter. She was actually a 200 year old dragon who happened to like being human.
“Well, dwarves make better hackers than field agents and I wanted the team to stand out.”
“So what’s the assignment?” Asked Lithanne.
“Combative reconnaissance. We go in, find the Illuminati, win a war, pull out.”
“And here I was hoping it would be a challenge.”
“We’re going first to a space station called the Avatar. It seems most of the recent events central to the war happened there. So it’s likely that we’ll find Illuminatus there. Full stealth, other than myself I don’t want anyone to know your there. If your discovered report to me immediately. Stunguns only Lithanne, we want to keep death to a minimum until we contact the Illuminati. Now, let’s go.”
****End of RP****

**Mecord exits after handing a big pooper scooper to Wilek. You thought of the elephant, you get to clean the mess ;)**
Mecord
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 02:35:06 AM
IP: usr40.mtwest.net

Just a quick post before bed.

Eating Gargoyles-Ack! That is in a word disgusting.

more tomorrow
See ya later!
Jaden
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 01:52:43 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Quick Poll Update!

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?

1.Y=0 votes
2.Y-7 or G=3 votes
3.PG=3 votes
4.PG-13 or TV-14=11 votes
5.NC-17 or R=0 votes
6.No constriction top ratings=1 vote
7.Whatever Greg wants it to be=1 vote

{It looks like PG-13 and TV-14 is gonna win this one.

Poll #2>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

1.New Olympians=0 votes
2.Gargoyles=9 votes
3.Pendragon=0 votes
4.Timedancer=6 votes
5.Bad Guys=2 votes
6.Dark Ages=1 vote
7.Gargoyles 2158=1 vote

{It looks like Gargoyles may win this one}


Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 01:50:29 AM
IP: spider-ti042.proxy.aol.com

*Looks at the message he just posted*

Okay, that's enough. From this point onward, I won't be doing any more teasers or answering any TGS related questions, I might get carried away and accidentally spoil something. So, as much fun as it is to pretend to be Greg, no more questions or comments about this stuff directed directly at me, cause I won't answer them. Really. For the next 7 days, I will ONLY do a countdown as a teaser... After that, its up to the story writers on how teased you get...
Robby
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 01:47:08 AM
IP: spider-tj042.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind: i've got a few more Viking-age questions for you...please email me off-list.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 01:24:10 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Sorow- < I don't know if you'll answer this question, cause you're cruel ;), but I'm assuming in Timedancer that we'll be seeing the story from Brooklyn's point of view. Will it ever switch so that we see part of Sata's life without Brooklyn, or will it always be from his side? I have to know! PLEASE!>

I'm not cruel, I'm just taking the same basic stance as Greg Weisman in this sort of matter. I know what happens next and I want all the fans interested, but I'm not going to give away all the surprises. (And the staff would hurt me if I did.) So, I'll take the Greg Weisman route and answer this like a sneaky weasel...

"You seem to assume too much. The stories will not be from Brooklyn's point of view at all, they will actually be from that of the omniscient being: Narrator. So no, there will not be any stories from Sata's point of view, if that's how you mean. If you meant the question differently, try asking it again later in a more specific way."

There. How did I do for my first Ask Gregish response? Said a lot but nothing at all helpful, right?

Oh, and...

SEVEN MORE DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON THREE!
Robby
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 01:22:41 AM
IP: spider-tj042.proxy.aol.com

Green Baron: <Do French Canadians also like Jerry Lewis?>
Hmm... na. Since they are several thousand miles removed from France and being so close to the US, some of our countries taste rubbed off on them... like Baywatch and Dawsons Creek.

Gside: <Most likely not.>
I figured as much. I mean, when you have a character in the story ask "What the hell is a Sluggy?", you can be pretty sure you won't get an answer.
(A Very Sluggy Christmas)
<Been ripping CDs for most of today, and noticed some odd hardware problems with my new HD.>
When I first started ripping CD's, I got all sorts of errors. So many of the songs had such bad glitches in them I nuked the entire batch (3 CD's) and later re-ripped them.

Attila the Hun: Welcome back! (I think... were you here before?)

Stormy: <Flying is a LOT of fun though...>
Oh... I SO want to fly... and some day I will.
I plan on making my own airplane one day (most likely from a kit)
I have been looking at a few twin engine jets I can build for under $30K US...
all I need is $40K US. (Hey, I need lessons!)

MilkSucks.com: What an un-biased web site! <G>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:59:07 AM
IP: t2-32.visitus.net

******************Shameless plug************************

I put up a few poems in the gargoyle archives.

************************************************************
jenna
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:37:11 AM
IP: 1cust167.tnt6.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

If more joy was brought into the world, we would truly have a wonderful world. The new mp3 is What A Wonderful World by Louie Armstrong.

Silverstar> <<The one's that I do have I think that they might be gay>>: I'm sure that even though you claim they are not 100% gay, they insist they are 100% not gay. (inside joke: one roomie has repeatedly claimed the latter, everyone else twists it into the former to taunt him)

Yggdrasil> I think I would like to see these articles (and hopefully I will be able to understand them).
BTW, I've been wondering, where's Rastatosk?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:10:05 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

hey everybody!
Work was really ez today. I also couldn't sleep evry well because my neice isin town and she wakes up really early. But I have to go to sleep cause SOROW is making me get up to have breakfast tomorrow. I hate waking up early.
see ya!!!!!!!


Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:08:11 AM
IP: spider-tj023.proxy.aol.com

GB> I can't wait til my dad installs our scanner. I have a picture planned out already, so you all can finally see who has been making your butts sore ;P You'll think I look like Sarah Michelle Gellar or Ally McBeal. They all do.

silverstar> My weirdest gargoyle dream? Hmmmmmm... strangely enough, I don't have very many. And when I do, it's only a small part. But I do remember one where Goliath and Brooklyn were standing around a floor map of some base (decked out in military uniforms, damn they looked good ;P) trying to figure out how to kill some aliens. I guess you can tell what movie I had watched the night before (Aliens 2). It was sweet!

Joe> I hate you! :) And no, I *almost* fell off the bed OKAY!

Robby> I don't know if you'll answer this question, cause you're cruel :), but I'm assuming in Timedancer that we'll be seeing the story from Brooklyn's point of view. Will it ever switch so that we see part of Sata's life without Brooklyn, or will it always be from his side? I have to know! PLEASE!

JackaL> Damn it boy! Where are you!
SOROW
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 11:42:27 PM
IP: dll2a010-0316.splitrock.net

Greetings

I just wanted to add my $0.02 on the PETA issue. I can nuderstand their stand point in wanting to bring to light the conditions that they believe are cruel towards animals. I personally do not know anything about the collection of the milk. If you want to know about the processing of the milk in order to remove bacterial contamination, that I know about. Anyways, I understand their position, but I must disagree with their current campaign. It is irresponsable for them to be reccomending a product such as beer over milk. Even disregarding the health fators the callousness of this campaign, which is obviusly targeted towards US college students, to the grave loss of life that occurs each year caused by alcohol related incidents.

This type of campaign is disrespectful to the families of those who have died in accidents and should be stopped. On a side note, those of you who have gone to see the site at www.milksucks.com sould be advised that the "Scientific" findings linking milk to cancer and osteoperosis have been taken completely out of context and cannot be considered. If any one is interested I will forward the articles that PETA is drawing their "research" from. The scientific reasonning that PETA is using is junk science. They don't know what they are taling aobut, they are simply manipulating data to confuse people into believing their standpoint. They know that most people will not go to the local university and look up the articles cited and find their omissions and errors. Let's prove them wrong.

TimeDancer S3: Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy.....
Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 11:05:33 PM
IP: dialin2.kitchener.globalserve.net

Out of curiousity {one of the words i always have trouble with}...
. what's the due date for submissions for the next Sabledrake magazine?

thanks.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 09:45:15 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Aaron: So who says I haven't killed anyone?? ]:-}

Shadowrider: What you read is no coincidence. Spike deliberately wrote me into that story. ;-) A few of us older chatroom ppl also get cameos--I think Dylan "Whitbourne" Blacquiere makes an appearance too... But no, I've never been to New York City, I'm a Canadian, and I'm completely tied up with a certain blue Newfie garg anyway...

Green Baron: Sucking up can get you promoted, or killed. Basically, it's a matter of knowing what butt to kiss, but buttkissers tend to get dissed BIGTIME by the rest of the unit, and you NEED to be able to get along with your unit. Sometimes you can help that, and sometimes you can't.

Personal example: 1998. I got posted to a problem unit, got blamed for my captain's actions, got the Military Police called on me. They were troublemakers and i wouldn't kiss their butts, so they blamed me for everything.

Reverse: I worked at Headquarters the year before. Went and had a chat with my old pals the major and the colonel, who knew me from workign in their offices every day the year before. They got an inquest called on my captain, she got the boot, and I got assigned to security staff.

Mind you, if I hadn't done such a good job at HQ, I never would have been assigned to the problem unit...so it cuts both ways.

I think you'd do well as a financer, Green Baron, but unless you're a macho hotrodding maniac, I'd advise against being a military pilot. I'm one of the TAMER pilots out there.

Flying is a LOT of fun though...
Stormy - [<--transformers updates]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 09:32:20 PM
IP: dynixpc2.huron.uwo.ca

Hello all!! It's your favorite barbarian warlord :)

Silverstar> Check the Histroy records. I was a short guy ::wink::

Lexy> same goes for you ::wink::

Gside> I'm glad your aunt didn't carry such a predjudice. My Huns are inclusive and regardless of what ethnic groups they belong to originally, they are Huns primarily. I wonder when I will see my bloodthirsty soldiers again ::sigh::

Cow Milk> Cow milk is for wussies. I grew up on horse milk and raw meat :p What say ye joyriders in hunting down some PETA guys. Maybe I can ravage soem of the vegan feminazis.... nah!! Not worth it, especially with all the stuff going around in these times :)

Pistoff and Warpmind> Ready to joyride PETA :)

Skippy> I have learned of your race. I hope never to war with Klingons, though they are more than welcome to be Huns :)

<<The big question, does red or whinte wine go with bleeding heart vegitarians? >> Whine? Bah!!! Mead mixed with pig's blood is my choice :)

Now, I'm off. Have a good night and may we feast on animal rights fanatics soon :)
Attila the Hun
Las Vegas, Nevada, depends on the Joyride
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 09:10:25 PM
IP: 141.164.77.127

New on my site:
Pics, pics, pics! Thank you, Demona May and Graymonk!
Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html (I hope I do the damn links right this time!)

Sabledrake > still eagerly seeking submissions from the April issue, with a theme of Humor. Also, all you artists out there, we're desperately looking for cover art! Send stuff to me at christine@sabledrake.com

Madame Destine > from what I've seen, it doesn't look like the posting of the fic announcement was what caused the to-do, but some of the follow-up comments. Don't take on so, m'dear! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 09:07:56 PM
IP: 03-112.009.popsite.net

Sorry for the double post but I just remembered.

Ratings> I would have to rate Gargoyles PG.
I would also rate Timedancer PG, but would rate Dark Ages Y7 because of some content.

*Well Bye!*
silverstar
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 08:20:47 PM
IP: l4p29.dav.mother.com

Hello all!

Finally got caught up with what was going on, so my replies might be a bit old. I apologize now.

Green Baron>Sorry to hear that a blond dumped you for being Catholic. Some people are so shallow aren't they? If I was going to dump someone for their religion it would be because they took it way to far.

Lexy> I don't have that many guy friends either. The one's that I do have I think that they might be gay. I don't have a problem with that but they are so sensitive about things sometimes. Also, I read your Top 10 Reasons Why Animated Characters are Better and I totally agree with you. I too like short guys but not too short :)

I want to know if any of ya' out there have had a dream about gargoyles. I have had one once and it was weird! I was trying to save someone and went to go get Goliath and the others but they were sitting around playing poker. Told ya' all it was weird.
Okay so here is the question: What is the weirdest gargoyle or other TV show dream ya' all have ever had?

Well I gotta' go.
*Bye!*
silverstar
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 08:16:48 PM
IP: l4p29.dav.mother.com

Green Baron> <<Polish and Ukrainian traditionally hate each other>>: Tell that to my great aunt. She emigrated, and spent over 50 years with a Pole (he died 2 summers ago).

Wilek> <<And reaching doorknobs just try when little 900 year old Muppet you are, yes? Hmm>>: That's why we have the Force...

Fire Storm> <<Will we ever find out what the hell a "sluggy" is, and why is it freelancing>>: Most likely not.

Aaron> <<more of a cloak then a cape>>: Ahh... (cloaks are neat though, one guy in my physics (MOHAN) class, actually has two capes and regurlarly wears them)

Gunjack> To continue the hit parade, I proudly bring you Mister Cellophane from the musical Chicago, and Scott Joplin's The Entertainer (full version).

Been ripping CDs for most of today, and noticed some odd hardware problems with my new HD. Eh, I can live with it.

Na zdorov'ya
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 07:55:12 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

RP WARNING!!!
**Orange County, Attila's secret base
Attila is on his computer reaidng teh Drudge Report when he gets an interesting e-mail.
"Girls we have a distress call. Some sorrority girls are being chased and harrassed by Kennedys up in Boston. It's time we flushed out a certain family."
"I've been waiting for this moment," said Brigitte gleefuly.
"Well, if we're all agreed, we can be there in a few hours."**
TO BE continued

Lawrence Stone> Glad to see you post. I'll be reaidng your story soon. Life's a little busy for me right now.

Spacebabie> I gotta see the pics of your new nails and you :)

Stormy> Ok, piloting doesn't sound too good from your description. Does it help if you're good at sucking up in the military? I didn't give anything up for Lent, but I am instead praying my rosary every night and going to Mass Mon-Fri along with Sunday.

SOROW> <<my dad will finally install our scanner sometime this week. Praise the Lord! >> Now,w e get to see what you look like :)

Fire Storm> Do French Canadians also like Jerry Lewis?

Warpmind> Well, Castro's charisma actually makes him a left-wing fascist. Charsimatic politicians scare me. The South has been damaged by populists for too long, especially Huey P. Long of Louisiana.

I'm being kcked off the lab, so I'll be back later.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 07:28:36 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

PETA> God's Flaming Flatulence! These people are just getting dumber and dumber by the year. What next? Are they going to stage late night "rescues" of domesticated cattle? Free them and send them off into the wild? Never mind most cattle are totally dependent on humans, have no natural habitat in this contry, and are notoriously harmful to the enviroment if left unchecked. These creatures should be returned to the wild!

Yes, I agree engaging in some PETA canibalism, would be called for (with Caba beans and a nice Chianti :) And I think it would be less canibalism than some long over-due applied social darwinism....

The big question, does red or whinte wine go with bleeding heart vegitarians?
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 07:24:41 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-13.ultravision.net

<Enters, a little sleepy>
Well, tonight I'm pretty dumb...last night, my neighbour's house thief-proof alarm turned on for a breakdown, and they weren't able to turn off the siren, that kept me awake all night. So, don't worry if my replies seem a little weird...my brain is working in a little erratic way today.


Stormy:> I have a doubt...in TGS Gargoyles episode "Equalty", one of the girls who approached Brooklyn in the mall was called Stormy...and she told something about how did she deserve that nickname. Now, the question is: do you usually frequent a certain mall in N.Y. If "yes", have you ever met a fair guy wearing a leather jacket? ;)

Green Baron:> Well, I'm not an economist, I know just a little things I studied at HS. According to my teacher, Keynes was something like a prophet or so...
For the nun jokes...just because you demanded...well, I'm going to write a Word file with some of the most funny nun jokes I know, each both in Italian and in an English translation (made by myself...I swear it is difficult sometimes). I'll email it to you as far as I complete it. Unluckily, I can't give you a sure date...I have a lot to do nowadays, but I'll try do do it soon.

Wilek:> <<There's always reconditioning. >8)>> You're right. I still didn't manage to steal infos (Hell!) ;)

Gunjack:> Well, seem to me our choices (your cyborg and my battlesuit) were fitted to our ways of fighting. You are a gunner, you like sniper and ambush, so you don't need to move quickly. I don't dislike a good sniper sometimes, but I usually rely on movement -being always in another place- and my suit is fitted for that.
<<Eh, he didn't get THAT far out...At least, if we're assuming that we have access to Xanatos Enterprises tech...>> Well, you're not wrong...and then , "realistic" is a little too big word...Think to my suit...where in real world am I gonna find a generator to feed it, so little and light to be carried with?

Bengali:> thank you for the explanation. For your first poll...I think PG-13 or TV-14.

Timedancer:> Midnight of 22nd, huh? Means 6 AM of 23rd in Italy...I think I'm gonna set up my alarm-clock!

Enough for now! <Goes to set up the alarm-clock>
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 07:18:40 PM
IP: h213-18-194.mi2.albacom.net

NIAMHGOLD - Re your David and Goliath piece: It reminds me of the quip that I read once about people who like to celebrate New Years' the "Goliath way" - "Go out and get stoned!" The odd thing about it is that the word-play works for both Goliaths (the Biblical one and the Gargoyles one).

(Not that I can imagine Goliath getting drunk. Brooklyn, perhaps - though strictly in the "pre-Timedancer" period; after "Timedancer", he has to start being a responsible father).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 06:50:38 PM
IP: 216.87.46.179.dialup-stl.primary.net

I guess I will will take a go at this

Poll #1- I would say Y-7 or PG

poll #2- If gargoyles back or one of the spinoffs I would choose Dark Ages. Why because we could see how they liked living with the humans, See who young Goliath and Demona fell in love as well as Othello and Desdemona. Hey maybe even we could find out a little about the Gargoyle faith becuase Greg said Desdemona was some what relgious in there faith. Oh and I would like to see Timedance as well.

Cant wait until season 3 of timedancer!!!
Lawrence Stone - [craft_celtic@yahoo.com]
Chillicothe, Ohio, USA
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 06:13:01 PM
IP: chil-ras3-4-cs-18.dial.bright.net

I was just cruising through Elfwood and stumbled across some TGS fanart -- Brooklyn & Sata on the roof of NotreDame from "Daylight." Tickled me pink to find it!!
Spike
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 05:54:32 PM
IP: ppp17-45.ght.iadfw.net

Gside - Got 'em all...
Gunjack Valentine
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 05:18:23 PM
IP: spider-tp073.proxy.aol.com

** Niamhgold pulls a Casper **

Shadowrider: Thanks! All I need now is to get the money...for me and mom :)

Poll #1: Oh, definitely PG-13 or TV-14. I mean, how could we expect Gargs to keep its wonderfully mature viewpoints if it fell into the cleft of Y-7 and younger? After all, it wasn't _violence_ that made the show...and most of the viewers have matured, so, heck, why let it retain that adult reality?

Poll #2: Because of my own personal tastes and writings, I'm inclined to say Bad Guys :). Then, of course, would follow Gargoyles and Timedancer. Not one or the other, but both. Gargs and TD are like milk and cookies--can't have one without the other.

Funny note: Yesterday, someone brought up the story of David and Goliath to support a literary theory, and the whole time I was sitting at my desk just *needing* to jump up and give them the _real_ version of the tale! :) Sadly, most of my friends, when asked about gargoyles, just give me the old "aren't they those glorified rainspouts?" response. Sigh.

Well, it's off to reality!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 03:50:57 PM
IP: ncia74n.ncia.net

Sup room just stopped in for a quick post.First of all when r u gonna get a thailog image for the comment room.GOT BEER<<:.....Always..{hicup}..POLLS<<:Most def it has to be at least TV-14 or better R.Spinoffs Gargoyles is a must Timedancer would be phat to.FANFIC<<:Just wanted to mention..{*cough*again*cough*}..that i have been workin on my own.It will be posted in the archives of the garg-fan site real soon i hope you all will go and check it out.I plan on giving a preveiw of my work here first before it is posted.I think they are very well writen and i think you will like them alot.They are probably a little gory but they have a great story.Almost like Shakspear meets The Crow meets Resident evil....or something like that.PEACE
Jeremy - [www.hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 03:00:24 PM
IP: nas-74-89.boston.navinet.net

I recently got a professional manicure and my nails are Sata green :)

Stormy:))) You and me both,althought right now I'm drinking diet coke((Not you Scott))

Bengali:Put me in for the pg-13 and the sereis...Gargoyles

Jewel: I knew PETA was F*$@ed up in the head when they were traumatising Children weeks ago, I knew they were sorry when they threw monkey poop at the fur industry((I hate fur too but that is disgusting))but the Got Beer add?! I knew being a vegetarian was unhealthy look what it did too their brains and I agree with SJ, I gotta have my milk,well Skim milk.

GreenBaron>>Canibalize a PETA member....do I smell a JOYRIDE?

Speaking off Milk((Pistoff is gonna love this)) At the store where my mom works some poepl were looking for Skim Milk for their friend. My mom showed them the Fat-Free milk and they were like
"We don't want fat free milk, we want Skim Milk"

Gotta Fly
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 02:32:59 PM
IP: user-37kaovf.dialup.mindspring.com

Just popping in before I have to go to work. A little bit of good news: my dad will finally install our scanner sometime this week. Praise the Lord!

cherry blossom> Whatever is wrong, we all love you. I'll pray for you *hugs*
SOROW
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 01:10:13 PM
IP: dll2a010-0281.splitrock.net

Aaron wanders in carrying a chibi-sized T-shirt bearing the slogan Gargoyles: The other white meat. I'll give it to Hyena-chan when the current weirdness closes.

Gside> Yoda's dignity? To quote another silly looking alien, "Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack." And when I said cape, I meant something that attaches at the shoulders and has no real purpose other then making the wearer look cool, like Oberon and Dr. Doom. If it has pockets and wraps more around the body, I'd say it was more of a cloak then a cape.

Stormy> You gave up soda for lent? Ouch. I think if I had to do that, I'd snap and kill someone about a day in.

cherry blossom> Sending good vibes in your direction.

Wilek> Well, Oberon's cape has a pocket *dimension* inside it.

Toku> No, a caught the newest one. "Hell is an irish bar where everyday is St. Patricks day." Heheh.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:33:58 PM
IP: ppp-222.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Coyote: <I meant 2002.>
I'll have see how my financial situation is around December. I HAVE been thinking about where, though. AND we would probally have to hire a bus to transport the people from Metro airport to where ever the gathering would be.

Warpmind: <plys I don't know if the polyalloy internal organ shielding would be light enough...>
Hmm... Oh well. I just hope that when you cross the Atlantic you don't fall in the trench! :)

Robby: <Particularly since I have nothing against Canada>
You Canada lover! :)

Cherry Blossom: <please pray for me anyone who does. I need it very badly..>
You are in my prayers

Wilek: <Intriguing. You have a deal. :) With but one small exception: Exploration and archeological investigation rights to the Cydonia region of the planet Mars. Do whatever else you like with the rest of the planet, but I am *very* curious about the Face and the Pyramids. ^_^>
Hey, no problem. But I get the rights to Mount Olympis, ok?

Aaron: <No, in my ficverse Thailog has much grander aims then a little serial murder, so unless I did it as an alternate universe fic, someone else is welcome to take a crack at it.>
I love alternate universe stories. They are SO fun to write! (And, of course, I love combining the living hell parts into my main stream stories!)

Rodlox: <are Gargoyles "clean" animals?>
Let me ask Hyena...
... she dosn't know and dosn't care. She's just hungry. :)

Green Baron: <blame the French :)>
YES! The FRENCH! Or, even worse...
FRENCH CANADIANS!

Gside: <Is it not nifty?>
Will we ever find out what the hell a "sluggy" is, and why is it freelancing?

Stormrave: Do you get headaches when you don't have caffiene?

Gunjack: <Out of curriousity, what do metal detectors use to detect metal?>
Disruptions in a magnetic or radio field.
<Whoa... what're you circulating in there, Alien blood?>
Not in that body.
<By that time, they'd probably just upload your brain into an AI and have done with it...>
IF computer technology is advanced enough.
<Ouchiwawa...>
Tell me about it. Ah, what pains I go through for the love of garlic
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 07:16:41 AM
IP: t3-54.visitus.net

*Warpmind stumbles in, breathing heavily.*
Must.. post... quickly... little... time... *Wheeze*

Caliope: True, Gibraltar is at the link between the Mediterranean and the Atlantic. As you can see, I sorely *need* a map... Maybe I ought to read that atlas of mine someday... ;)

Wilek: You've taken care of it? Good. Care to send me some photos of the former army, just so I can taunt the misanthrope in the Scandinavian branch of those... upstart rebels? (If you *have* any, that is.)

Doug: You're welcome.

Aaron: You know, I think I must emphasize in that beta version that such summoning spells as Summon Coffee or Summon Meal automatically comes with an appropriate container... Maybe... >:)

Mecord: The Freelance Illuminatus deal is kinda funky. A Freelance Illuminatus is often called upon for directly Illuminati-related merc-type operations; we are 23 in all. We can freely reassign ourselves (as I did to the Avatar), until countering orders arrive from the Society. We are not allowed in any meetings, unless we have discovered urgent information for the inner circles, that we know they do not posses (or, at least, believe). Furthermore, we can access the Illuminati information databases, and can use the Illuminati information for mission purposes. However, even 23rd level (initiates) members of the Illuminati can assign us, only counterable by higher-ranking members. And we do wisely not to disobey orders...

GB: Castro's got a lot of personal charisma, you know. Sympathic fella. But, if your'e right, and he's got that huge fortune stashed away... he's all yours. (But I still want that cigar import deal.)

Eating gargoyles: I prefer eating something that can't speak. Or, at least, something that doesn't turn to stone in the day.

Gunjack: I don't think the cyborg siblings can feel through the metallic implants. As for the dice thing... it looks more and more as though only D100 and D6 will be used... Where my picture is concerned, well, click my name, and go to the photo gallery there. You'll know. ;) And the autopilot looks like a good idea.

Well, gotta run. English class. (The teacher *does* happen to require my assistance at times; my only purpose for being there. I function mostly as an assisting teacher/sidekick.)

Later, amigos.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 06:01:21 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

****BEGIN RP!!!****
"Ack! <<cough>> Newsflash people! Fur and water...BAD!!" Jaden growls climbing out of the water. "Next time I'm flying 'United'!!" Suddenly the Ravens notice the three other elementals. "Ah, hell."
****END RP!!!****

Geez what did I miss? Well I'm with Doug; No way am I going anywhere near this one. Just remember people, just because you don't like something doesn't mean that everyone else doen't too (that goes both ways). State your views in a calm, tolerant manner so it doesn't look like you're trying to force your views on to others (most people don't like that). We are all supposed to be friends here so lets not, unintentionally or otherwise, hurt each other.

Madame Destine><<I didn't realize releasing my new fic would cause such an uproar.>> I don't think that your fic was the only reason this happened, remember we've had conversations like this before. I guess you could say that it was just a bunch of related topics that happened all at once.

Jessie Feff-The 10th Kingdom- I agree it could have been better (and put at a time when I could watch the whole thing) but I did enjoy it and I've just started reading the book version which is good.

Poll #1- I think between PG & PG-13 is a good setting.

Poll #2- GARGOYLES! and a good spinoff from that would be either Timedancer or New Olympians.

Phantom of the Opera- Well I think that Antonio might make a good Phantom, he's got a great voice. I'm willing to give him a chance.

Stargate SG-1- I've noticed that cliff-hangers on TV shows are beginning to drive me insane. They come just when you don't want them to. And they come all at once!

Well I got a few things to do before I hit the sack (got to bed, Hudson!).

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 02:33:36 AM
IP: cache3.avtel.net

Poll Update!

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?.

1.Y=0 votes
2.Y-7 or G=2 votes
3.PG=1 votes
4.TV-14 or PG-13=7 votes
5.R=0 votes
6.No constriction to ratings=1 vote
7.Whatever Greg wants it to be=1 vote

I forgot to add my own votes in the beginning so I'm adding them now, for ratings I chose PG and for series I chose Gargoyles, {though doubtful, if Gargoyles were to last long enough it would technically become Gargoyles 2158}. Also in the beginning I was almost positive that the PG rating would win, I guess I was wrong.

Poll #2>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

1.New Olympians=0 votes
2.Gargoyles=6 votes
3.Pendragon=0 votes
4.Timedancer=5 votes
5.Bad Guys=1 vote
6.Dark Ages=0 votes
7.Gargoyles 2158=1 vote

{Gargoyles and Timedancer are VERY close!}

Shadowrider>The American rating system is this...

Y=appropriate for all ages but usually intended for very young children, Sesame Street is rated this.

Y-7 or G>Also appropriate for all ages but may be too scary for children under 7, this is what Gargoyles was rated.

PG>Parental Guidance suggested, may be some swearing, violence and/or innuendos, this is what most episodes of The Simpsons are rated.

PG-13 and TV-14>Parents strongly cautioned, may contain material not suitable for children under 13/14, may have exessive violence, swearing or innuendos, this is what Jurrasic Park is rated.

R and NC-17>Not suitable for ages under 17, contains exessive violence, sex, or swearing, this is what the recent movie Deep Blue Sea is rated.

X>VERY smutty, violent, filthy stuff, not appropriate for ages under 18.

I hope that clears it up!

Mecord>The reason there is no "All of the above" answer is because I knew that almost everyone would pick it, including myself.

I'm done here so I think I'll hop on down to the S8 CR...
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 01:59:50 AM
IP: spider-wi032.proxy.aol.com

*Valentine enters, clad in a Powered Combat Vest and carrying a laser-sighted .357 desert eagle*

Three guesses what I'VE been playing? :) I finished HL, so I switched over to OpFor... It could use a little polish, but other than that, everything's groovy...

Downside: When I called up my buddy who spent a chunk of last week over here to tell him about buying OpFor, I found out he's been puking ever since he got home. We're still trying to figure out who gave what to whom, since I was pretty wasted at about the same time... :P Hopefully, His parents won't draw the conclusion that It's All My Fault, and ban him from ever coming over again... :P

FS - Thanks for the correction on metal detectors... Out of curriousity, what do metal detectors use to detect metal? <<I thought of that, but can Carbon fiber really stand up to all of the stresses that titanium can?>> I'm not sure about real life, but I wouldn't rule it out with with XE technology... <<PLUS, I am afraid that the body might digest the carbon fiber.>> Whoa... what're you circulating in there, Alien blood? <<I must admit, though, I would probally have failing brain parts replaced as necessary, so after about 150 years, there probally would not be too much original material left.>> By that time, they'd probably just upload your brain into an AI and have done with it... <<I drove up a curb sideways at 40mph a few years ago and the car has never been the same since.>> 0_o Ouchiwawa...

Warpmind - Another nice 'borg... Question, though... Can Jackel and Hyena still feel through their replaced limbs? if so, I doubt you'd have to worry about the neural problems... <<Considering the most advanced thing I ever programmed was a little program in QBASIC that made circles appear randomly on-screen... the RPG will be strictly pencil-and-paper. Dig? :)>> Good. I prefer Pencil & Paper anyway... <<Oh, and I hope you do have an AD&D dice kit handy.>> Actually, no. To own dice other than the sacred d6 goes against the solomn oaths of a true GURPSite. ;)
I'll borrow one from the afor-mentioned buddy next time I see him... I gave him a set for christmas right before I was Assimilated... <<Oh, and as for that black trenchcoat thing... you've seen the photography of me, right?>> Actually, no... Where can I find it?

Shadowrider - Glad to see you're hanging around... :) <<Well, nothing is REALLY unstoppable, as far as I'm concerned: no matter how strong or steady you are, there's always a weak point.>> True. Actually, when you get down to it, the Tank shell is really just a battlesuit that's a little more connected to you than usual...
*Valentine reads through the "Shadowrider" specswith great interest*
Ooo, nice ice! Definately more versitile than mine... Actually, looking over the weaponry, we both came out about the same level of firepower... Though I'm not sure how 20mm rotary cannon ranks by that energy MG... <<For the armor, no matter how strong it is, there will always be a weapon able to pierce it, so I prefer dodging blows).>> I'm always worried about snipers or ambushes (two of my favorite tactics), so I prefer better armor up front... <<well, I love black outfits...but I don't like trenchcoats. They're too long-they hamper my movements and get entangled in things.>> True, but for a gunner like me, loads of movement aren't really in the cards... Besides, a trenchcoat is the closest you can come to a cloak while still staying within your own time period. <<Warpmind:> Well, your enhancement is a bit too massive...oh well, I accept it (As I launched the poll, I forgot to say "Be realistic"...and now I pay the consequences!) ;)>> Eh, he didn't get THAT far out... At least, if we're assuming that we have access to Xanatos Enterprises tech...

Warpmind><<If I'm dropped into the Atlantic ocean, and I float about as well as the average brick, what other options do I have? (Oh, I might want to add a GPS navigational device to my implants, for such events.)>> You might also want to instal a somatic (sp?) unit and an autopilot; that way, you could just plot a course, and fall asleep until you got there... Besides, I'd be worried about the mental effects of trying to undergo that kid of trip; Think sensory deprivation...

Jewel><<"Who needs sleep, never gonna get it! Who needs sleep? Oh what's that for? Who needs sleep? Might as well forget it...">> MY THEMESONG!!! :D <<*MS goes to Hell*>> I think I've just added six years to my life through pure mirth... And what kind of subliminal messages were implanted in THAT little spot? :)

Wilek><<Hm...maybe waterproof antigravs or the like would fix that?>> Uh, I AM trying to stay inside the "Gargoyles" technology <<Would a World Of Darkness fan count? :P>> REPENT, SINNER!!! Just kidding... ;) <<Come to think of it, I use a *lot* of concealing black clothing for my characters...>> Doesn't everybody?

*Valentine Glances at the clock, pales, and turns into a pumpkin*

Oops, an hour and some change past my bedtime... I'll have to finish catching up later...

-Gunjack Valentine

"Two to the body, one to the head..."
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 01:57:34 AM
IP: spider-tm013.proxy.aol.com

hey peops. 311 was bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still can't believe that I saw them live. Before the concert I went to the tower records on Canal street in New Orleans where 311 was having a signing at 3:11 pm. I knew it was useless to wait in line (it was over 2 blocks long, literally!!!!!)so me and my friends just went into the store. We were about 10 feet away from them, and we nearly creamed in our pants! The concert was even better. They played for 3 hours and 11 minutes. 50 songs! Man it was cool. The sad thing was that watching them made me all the more want to do that someday. *sigh* hopeless dreams.......
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 01:21:26 AM
IP: spider-tn041.proxy.aol.com

Mandollin: Oh! I’m so sorry! I’m glad no one was hurt, but that’s sad, to lose a childhood treasure like that. *HUGS* I’ve got a couple of old teddy bears which are about the only toy that I have left from my first 6 years or so before we moved into this house. They mean an awful lot to me as physical reminders of memories, even if they just gather dust on a shelf no-a-days. *HUGS* I hope you feel better soon.

Bengali Poll:

I’ll cast my vote out for TV-14 I think. I like the boundaries of Anime a bit better than American animation. Something like uncut Dragonball Z would be nice, but Spawn goes a little bit further than I think I could reorient from the original Gargoyles series.

As for what series I would want to see: I’d want gargoyles. I like Timedancer in all, but the Brooklyn and Sata show loses some of its zing for me, after a while.

Aaron: I’m sorry, but I missed that episode too. Last night’s was new, the one right after the one you missed. I don’t want to spoil it for you as you can still catch it this week, but if you miss that one, Email me and I’ll tell you about it, K?

Sluggy Freelance: Telemarketers ... Ca-Click … ^_^

CherryBlosom: We’ll talk about it on IM sometime, OK? *HUGS*

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:09:56 AM
IP: 1cust9.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Not much tonight....

Matrix tidbits: Remember how, a while back, I mentioned how, in addition to the two planned sequels to the Matrix, the Warchowski Bros. also were planning a anime prequel? And remember how most of us just thought it was wishful thinking? It might be more. The visual effects supervisor for the film (and the upcoming films), John Gaeta, said in a recent radio interview that the anime prequel is still a go. God, I'd love to see that.....

Lord of the Rings tidbits: Good news and better news--New Zealand actor Marton Csokas, best known for his role as Borias in "Xena: Warrior Princess" (if you will remember, he was the Xena's first baby's daddy), has been cast as Celeborn, husband of Galadriel. That's the good news. The better news is that annoying, grungy gen-Xer Ethan Hawk will NOT be playing Faramir. We can thank the gods for that little miracle.
BTW, anyone out there who wants to see some exclusive pics of the upcoming movie, such as a cast photo of Merry, Pippin, Sam and Mr. Frodo all together, check out the latest issue of Vanity Fair, or simply go to theonering.net.

Gargoyles, good to eat?: Hmm....I don't think that the Gargoyles would be considered kosher. What's the rule for kosherness? Can't chew its cud or have cloven hooves, or something like that? I can't imagine that a people who won't partake in a nice strip of bacon would enjoy eating the flesh of a beast with wings, horns, and a tail.

PETA: At first, the "Got Beer?" campaign has comedic value, but really, are they that wacked out? I mean, please. I've been on a diet for the last several months, and I've lost some weight. There's very little goddamned food left I'm allowed to eat....I count fat grams like mad. Now you want to take away my milk? Christ. F*** you, PETA. I can go along with people who dislike animal cruelty, but for some reason the PETA folks just make me wanna strangle a manatee with my bare hands.

And PETA folks are NOT kosher. They're vegertarians, you see. Ever try to eat one of those PETA folks? All that cellulose and fiber in their systems makes the meat taste just like a garden burger. Blecch.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 11:34:47 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

$Doug> Um...a word about the Avatar's shuttles: Most of them are Sienar Fleet Systems/Cygnus Spaceworks Lambda-class shuttlecraft, the same class as the ones from Return Of The Jedi. We also have a few Delta escort shuttles and TIE shuttles and landers. Just for future reference lad. ^_^ $

Aaron> <<After all, capes don't have pockets.>> Tell that to Oberon. :)

Shadowrider> <<I hope they're not monitoring this Room...;)>> There's always reconditioning. >8)

Mecord> <<DON’T THINK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT! :)>> <looks at the elephant that has wandered in through the skylight> And why not?! Not only is the stupid thing taking up way too much room, but it stinks to the high heavens and it's only a matter of time before it makes quite the impressive mess on the floor. :P

Stormy> <<Hey, no one ever says that ppl who get crushes on gargoyles reminds them of Elisa...what's with that?>> <blink> Come to think of it...

Jewel> PETA anti-dairy bit> <falls down anime-style> They're kidding. They absolutely <censored> have to be kidding. o_o' I normally like animals, but these people want me to chain them to a wall and make them watch me slaughter Bambi with my bare claws, for the express purpose of destroying their fragile little minds.

Coyote> <<I wonder, if those women's breasts filled with 9 gallons of milk A DAY, how long would it be before one of them cracked under pressure and screamed "OH GOD, MILK ME NOW!!!">> There's a joke here, of the variety that I'm not going anywhere near...

Gside> <<But then, the Yoda look brings dome dignity with it.>> True this is, but difficult would be finding clothes of the right size, and out of the question would be a visit to the beach or the pool. And reaching doorknobs just try when little 900 year old Muppet you are, yes? Hmm. <<Sluggy Freelance. Is it not nifty?>> Worship the comic! ^_^

Green Baron> <<I coudl see Danny DeVito as Sancho. Antonio seems to be in too good a shape.>> Ever see Spawn? If they can turn John Leguizamo into the Clown...

Todd> <<I've got to admit, I find that question of yours about whether gargoyles are kosher rather disquieting.>> This from Mr. "How Many Gargoyles Would It Take To Shingle A Roof" (or was that someone else? My mind=sieve). ;P j/k

Cherry Blossom> <<I need prayers because I'm getting broken. in two. thank you any and all who would pray...>> O_O ACK! Whatever's wrong, lass, you have all our sincerest hopes and prayers. <hugz>
Wilek Nereus
Monday, March 13, 2000 11:21:10 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

*enters the room slowly*

I need prayers because I'm getting broken. in two. thank you any and all who would pray...

I'll tell you all about it when its over...

*walks back out of the room*
cherry blossom
Monday, March 13, 2000 10:50:50 PM
IP: spider-wj081.proxy.aol.com

Here's a preview of my work-in-progress: {this may answer your questions, or perhaps not}:
Manhattan, New York City:
March 13, 2000 AD. To her, it was 7, Adar II, 5760 AM.
Ane flexed her wings once, twice, then folded them back up. They had healed superbly, thanks to her long stone sleep.
Any doubt the Khazar gargoyle may have had about the length of her magic-induced sleep was eliminated when she saw some of the things that were here. Things that did not exist in Khazaria, the Abbasid lands, or even the - she shuddered, not from any wind - Byzantium.
She unfolded one wing, then curled it around, so she could rub her knuckle against the short, soft fur which coated her wings, shielding the tender membranes from the harshness of cold. There were two gargoyles here with wings like hers: Brooklyn and Angela, though neither of them enjoyed her furry-coverings.
None here - save for Fox, the wife of Xanatos, who owned the castle she had awoken at - had the flame-coloured hair that Ane did. Her hair, cut to a length that was proper for a girl her age, was more the shade of Brooklyn’s skin. {brick}.
When she had balanced herself upon awakening to this strange place, she had asked them “Where are my people?” They had replied with ‘Gargoyles aren’t that common anymore, we’re scattered across the world.’
Ane shook her head, feeling the gentle breeze across her face. They did not understand. It was not ‘gargoyles’ that were her people, as she had met a clan of gargoyles in Byzantium, members of the Greek Orthodox faith.
No, her people were the sons and daughters of Abraham. Her clan hailed from Esau, son of Isaac.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 10:05:01 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hello. A few things I forgot.

Shadowrider> BTw, the convulsion part was a joke, pretty much, but you mention Keynes like that in Loyola's Econ Department and you'll get a similar reaction :) I didn't mean to sound too harsh, but it is a subject I definitely feel strongly about. Oh well. Such is life.

I just read your comments, and Keynesianism can work temporarily, but I wonder hwo it will affect the long run. Keynesianism led to the double digit inflation in teh US over the 70s and I might concede it to work for some times, but generally, I prefer Supply-Side, Austrian, or Monetarist Theory.

You can e-mail me the nun jokes, then :)

Gside> Actually the Polish and Ukrainian traditionally hate each other, but the Pope is also half Lithuanian.

I happen to be descended from Scottish Barons with French wives and my grandmother on my father's side was a Viller'e, one of the more prominent families in 18th and 19th century Louisiana. My cat proposed teh blam eteh French thing. You should hear Attila go off on the French :)

I need to read Sluggy, then.

Mecord> <<Are PETA Kosher? :) >>
I'm Catholic, so it wouldn't matter too much for me :)

Todd> I remember you once discussing Gragoyle burgers and such in S8, so you really have room to talk :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, March 13, 2000 09:34:27 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102

PETA: Wow, you mean my beer drinking habit is JUSTIFIED?!

Kewl...

Green baron: Well, I was GOING to laugh and ask why you wanted to fly a desk and not a plane, but now...*envy envy* Seriously though, most pilots are MANIACS so, if you don't think plunging earthward in a 2G spin would be fun, don't go pilot... another way to phrase that--do you like rollercoasters? And do you think they'd be better if you got to drive somewhere OTHER than where those silly tracks go?

Seriously, the military can be very rewarding if you can deal with regimental discipline, rough characters, and loads of crap-ola, and don't take things too personally.

Shadowrider: Sixteen year old pilot :) GOt my glider wings, then my power wings, then my driver's license, been flying for, aich, almost six years now! Heh, someday when I have more time I'll tell you where my nickname STORMY came from

In the meantime...I've given up cola for lent. Day 6 is almost over.

I'll never make Easter.

"Hello, my name is Stormy and I'm a Dr Pepper addict..."


Stormrave - [aka Stormy]
Monday, March 13, 2000 09:31:37 PM
IP: pc20.huron.uwo.ca

Rodlox> Kosher: Are you sure Una has cloven hooves? I would assume she has horses's hooves, which I believe are all right.

Green Baron> <<This is a man who has overcoem great challenges to be where he is, and is a stalwart cold warrior>>: Plus, he's a Pole! (I'm a Uke, right next to Poland, so that's a plus in my book)
ties: I acknowledge the possibility of festive ties of the bow variety, as shown in my father's butterfly ties (one blue, one orange). I have simply been exposed to more outrageous cravats over the course of my life.
<<blame the French>>: Hey, I didn't do anything! (me = .25 Uke + ~.375 Fr + ~.375 Eng + 3/32 Native Am (apocryphal) + some other randomness)
<<How many support a rare slice of PETA fanatic for dinner>>: So you have read Sluggy Freelance. Is it not nifty?

Gunjack> You your listening pleasure, I have now put up Weird Al's The Saga Begins and Chicago's Feelin' Stronger Everyday.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, March 13, 2000 09:21:20 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

**Mecord bursts in momentarily, Unable to resist posting what is absolutely hilarious to him but may not be to others.**

Green Baron>> Are PETA Kosher? :)


Mecord
Monday, March 13, 2000 09:09:19 PM
IP: usr31.mtwest.net

< Sorry for the double post - again >

Niamhgold:> Well, my family used to live in Naples till late 60s (my parents moved away after marriage), so there's a chance my granparents or relatives know someone of your family. BTW, what I said to GB applies to you: If you're going to visit my country and you need a guide, just let me know! :-)
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, March 13, 2000 09:06:25 PM
IP: h255-22-29.mi2.albacom.net

Stormy:> So, another one who couldn' become fighter pilot. <grins sadly> Well, according to what I've seen in your site, you at least can fly. I'd like to learn, but up to now I've never had time or funds to do that. Anyway, after I've begun to study Aerosp. Eng., I had a lot of chances to work with planes. I've flown a lot of times on small aircraft and helicopters, I visited several Italian or NATO air bases, once I was allowed to fly on the rear seat of a Tornado fighter-bomber and I was also allowed to sit in the very cockpit of the newest Typhoon air superiority fighter (I think it is the best fighter in the world-if you wanna know more, try with www.eurofighter.org), so I can't be too sad.
I'm glad to meet someone who shares one of my passions. See you!

Green Baron:> I'm sorry my assertion about Keynes caused you so much disturbance! Anyway, in the last four years, after DS (a left-wing party) won elections in Italy, my country's economics have been directed in a Keynes-oriented way-and results are very good. Inflation decreased, unemployment did the same, taxation also decreased (slightly), industrial production increased as well as exports and society is still well balanced; so, I don't think Keynes' theories have to be distrusted at all.

You're right, I know a LOT of dirty nun jokes, some of them very malicious! I'd like to post some of them, but I already made enough troubles in this Room, so I'll be better not to do it. Furthermore, I think that translating them from Italian would take away much of the taste.

Well, to visit southern Italy a car is not undispensable, but for sure it is better to have it (you could rent it, if you have a licence...)

I'm always glad to talk with you.

Ave atque Vale, Green Baron!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, March 13, 2000 09:00:51 PM
IP: h255-22-29.mi2.albacom.net

** Yawns **

Sorry I don't have more time to write! I've got a paper from Hades and a boss from Mars, so my time's been precious!

Shadowrider: Naples, huh? Wonder if your relatives know anyone related to me; they're on my mom's side of the family. Me and my mom promised each other we'd go visit them someday.

PETA: People Eating Tofu Amphetamines

G'night!



Cherry: I'll pray for you!


Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:59:29 PM
IP: ncia100n.ncia.net

Gside - Ok, I got 'em all... Thanks a heap, by the way. :) I espescially liked "Joy to the World"...
*Glances around the comment room, and notes the several smoldering posts made earlier in the day*

Ugh... Somehow, I didn't think it'd end that easily... :P I'll be in later for a real post, and hopefully the room won't have burned up by then...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:49:07 PM
IP: spider-wb043.proxy.aol.com

okay, clarification:

are gargoyle-beasts {like Bronx} "clean" and/or kosher?

my apologies if anyone thought i was about to write a fanfic with someone sitting down to "roast Brooklyn" and "pickled Lex" {and after having sat through an episode of Lexx, i don't think i'll be able to write his nickname any more}.

{although there ARE human tribes which eat their dead...usually grinding them to a paste - which was ironically how the Golden Horde treated the Holy men of both Christian and Islamic faiths}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:44:49 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hey all!

I don't really have a lot of time but I just wanted to let ya' all know that I am still alive. I have not been able to get on until today and I still have not caught up on what is going on! I am way behind on things and don't have enough time to read the comment room from last week or this week.

Favor> If anyone would be so kind as to give me a quick run through of the stuff that is going on, I would be forever grateful. I am only asking if you have enough time and are willing to. Thanks it would mean a lot to me.

Well gotta' go. Have a lot of stuff to do. Bye!
silverstar
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:30:27 PM
IP: l1p57.dav.mother.com

RODLOX - I've got to admit, I find that question of yours about whether gargoyles are kosher rather disquieting. Because the whole issue about where gargoyles stand in terms of the Jewish dietary law implies that somebody's thinking of eating them. (And it's particularly shocking that it would be Jews thinking of eating the gargoyles, considering that they've got much in common with them; oppressed minority groups should be working together, not feeding on each other).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:23:11 PM
IP: 216.87.46.200.dialup-stl.primary.net

NO RPs for Now

Jewel> <<I think Antonio'd actually be a better *Sancho* than Quixote, but that may just be me. >>
Sancho? Really? I coudl see Danny DeVito as Sancho. Antonio seems to be in too good a shape. I could also see Charleton Heston as Don Quixote, though I have neevr seen him do humorous, but he did do El Cid once. I also see Sean Connery as Don Quixote thanks to his Ramirez role.

I also see Mariah Carey as a good Aldonza :)

<<My family's original from Bumblef--k, VA in an area so poor there are still tin roofs and you drive through fields of tobacco, and Grandma Taylor picks tobacco ever year for extra money. And this place is *uber*-Southern Baptist. I may not have grown up there, but Mom still has the mindset of rural-Southern Baptists about some things... >>
So when did you move to suburban Atlanta?

When I was in Memphis, I had a good friend who was Southern Baptist and we traded religious jokes. I always teased him about a document claiming chicken was served at the Last Supper :)

My Southern roots are mostly Episcopalian and Catholic (French New Orleans variety, even bigger rate of alchoholism), so I imagine our repressions have different origins.

Sevarius Jr> I deeply admire the Pope, and I beleive he is one of the gretaest Popes since St. Peter. This is a man who has overcoem great challenges to be where he is, and is a stalwart cold warrior. I do not think he could have picked a better time to apologize for the sins of his Church, than the first Sunday of Lent on the last Lenten Season of the Millennium (or first of the new milennium, though I don't know if he will be alive in a year from now). The only argument some snotrags will say is that the apologies came too late, like his apology to Galileo. The Pope has set the stage to repair and re-build bridges that have been burned over teh alst thousand years. It is only a pity that he is dying. I hope his next successor (hopefully he will be a certain Nigerian Cardinal) can do at leats half the job thhis Pope has done. So, basically, I support the Pope's apologies :)

McCain's mistake was to put Robertson and Falwell in teh exact same position as Sharpton and Ferra Khan. Falwell is not responsible for any deaths, and it si difficult to implicate Robertson for the deaths of many Guatamelans and how DARE he send his missionaries into Latin America. McCain is still a Senate Committe Chair and hopefully, Bush will learn from McCain's example.

<<Larry Flynt is a called a scumbag>>
Well, there's otehr reasosn to verify he's a scumbag than just his magazine :)

Scott, The Diet Coke of Evil > Was Caffeine-free Diet Coke just too evil for you :)

Gside> Well, my bowties are not just for formal occasions, but worn with suits, like the one I wore in my Guest Column. As for cravats, they might be very festive (Rush ties), but my collection is pretty conservative. The wildest is my Attila the Hun tie.

Rodlox> I know this is between you and Pistoff, but judging from your last response, do you really enjoy pissing him off or do you just not understand no?

Warpmind> Maybe it is your own economic philosophy that makes you see Castro in this light. I however see him as a tyrant and a phony. I owudl support lifting teh embargo, except it will magnify his wealth and still the Cuban people would continue to make $10 a month, which everyone from cabbies to teachers to ditch diggers make there. Only recently could native Cubans use Ameircan dollars. Beofre, they were restricted to tourists. What I have read about Cuba reminds me of 1984, and I recommend you read PJ O'Rourke's Eat the Rich.

Presidentiual candidtaes> Yeah, we can't have any truly exicting or noble figures, but we could do a lot worse.

Skippy> Don't blame Canadians, blame the French :)

Bengali> I'd like to see Gragoyles ratings in TV-14, with an occassional TV-MA courtesy of Christine Morgan :) and I'd like to see the Bad Guys take off, which should have a good content of kick-ass action that may grab ratings.

Cherry Blossom> I'll count you in rosary inentions

Welcome Cyclonus

Difference between pornography and art> $5,000 :)

Aaron> Thanks for the update on Don Quixote. He's something of a hero for me :)

Shadowrdier>
<<Anyway, I think that market has to be controlled by government, the way Keynes said. >>
::convulses for a few hours until Attila injects him with a sedative::
I cannot ever agree with that. I beleive teh Governemnt's only job is to do what we cannot do for ourselves and to maintain order. I also find Keynes to be an arrogant fop and his theories have largely fallen apart in the 70s, especially with stagflation. Government si at best a necessary evila nd at worst an intolerable evil. I beleive it should be a referree and call foul, especially regarding fraud and genuine abuse of workers, but both benefit when Government does only what is absolutely necessary. This is in large part from my own Economics studies at Loyola and Keynes was a capitalist, albeit a little too pro-government, and his works were largely a knee-jerk reaction to the Great Depression of the UK in the 1920s. Give me Smith, Hayek, Friedman, or Laffer over Keynes any day.

BTW, I would best be described as a combination between Libertarian and a Plutocrat (yet not like any definition of Plutocrat known), with a fondness for Tradition.

Bocca seems more fair than Cornwell who basically blamed Pius XII for the Holocaust. I would not be as critical, but Pius XII was the product of an age of concordances and not an outspoken cirtic for many reasons, and I beleive he did what he felt was best at the time. I odubt he could have housed Jewish refugees in the homes of various religious Orders so easily if he was too critical. While he may have been politcially weak, I will reserve judgment since I can't say I would have done a better job under his tutelage or circumstances.

As for religious jokes, I bet you know even more dirty nun jokes than I do :)

I'll take you up on that tour deal, though I lack such funds at present. BTW, how necessary is a car in Southern Italy?

Stormy> CF-18? My eyes are in godo ocndition, so maybe I should consider being a pilot, though I don't even have a driver's liscence.

PETA> I'm tempted to experiment with cannibalism. How many support a rare slice of PETA fanatic for dinner :)

Off to homework
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:16:43 PM
IP: 141.164.133.102

oikay...strange question:

are Gargoyles "clean" animals? {in terms of the Jewish kosher}.

. {Una has cloven hooves...does Broadway and Hudson have multiple stomachs?}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:09:07 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

I have my new toy. Eight times the space! ~1300 minutes of mp3s! FUN.

Wilek> <<I wouldn't want my entire council looking like the Crypt Keeper>>: But then, the Yoda look brings dome dignity with it.
<<Whatever Greg wants [the rating] to be>>: I would like to amend my previous statement to mean that a mid range rating would allow Greg an easier time getting shows aired with more controversial subjects (e.g. Deadly Force).

Doug> $Whatever happened to the laptop?$

Aaron> <<capes don't have pockets>>: But they could.

PETA: To see a appropriate actions taken against PETA members, look at Sluggy Freelance's (www.sluggy.com) Thanksginving episodes.

Gunjack> How about if I rotate the mp3s every time you post that you got them? I don't want to upset too many sys admins for too long...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:04:31 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Re "Got Beer"> What I'd like to know is what those PETA people plan on doing with all those millions of cows if we were to stop drinking milk.

Poll> I would rate it TV-14 and would like to see Gargoyles.

Timedancer> I can't wait
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Monday, March 13, 2000 07:45:09 PM
IP: dial-253.ocis.net

**reads Jewel's post on the "Got Beer?" campaign controversy**

Hmm ...

Y'know, I've only got one thing to say about this. I wonder, 'cause from what's been put forth in the media is that there's a lot of women in PETA ... I wonder, if those women's breasts filled with 9 gallons of milk A DAY, how long would it be before one of them cracked under pressure and screamed "OH GOD, MILK ME NOW!!!"

Point is, if ya don't milk a cow, it's going to be in more pain than if you *do* milk it.

**leaves the room to ponder that**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, March 13, 2000 07:29:04 PM
IP: zzz-209252248090.splitrock.net

There are times when I'm reminde dof just how surreal the world is....

Animal-Rights Group's Ad Draws Fire
NORFOLK, Va., Mar 13, 2000 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Anti-drunken driving activists aren't amused by a new ad campaign urging college students to replace their milk mustaches with beer foam.

Norfolk-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals this week plans to unveil its ``Got Beer?'' campaign on college campuses nationwide, in time for all those green-beer St. Patrick's Day celebrations.

PETA argues that drinking beer is healthier than milk and that the dairy industry is cruel to cows and calves.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving sent a letter Friday asking PETA to pull the campaign for fear it will encourage underage drinking. Many college students are under the legal drinking age of 21.

``We're very concerned and appalled with it for the simple fact that underage drinking is the number one drug problem among American youths, '' said Teresa Hardt, a spokeswoman for the Irving, Texas-based group, whose mission includes the prevention of underage drinking.

The campaign also comes at a time when increased attention is being focused on binge drinking on campuses.

``If PETA's misguided purpose is to denounce the dairy industry, they certainly aren't advancing their ball by advocating alcohol consumption by college students,'' said David Botkins, spokesman for state Attorney General Mark L. Earley.

A spokesman said PETA will proceed with the campaign and that it does not promote underage or drunken driving.

``College students are savvy,'' said Bruce Friedrich, PETA's vegetarian campaign coordinator. ``Nobody's going to put beer on their Cheerios or get drunk and drive as a result of our campaign.''

PETA is using beer in its anti-milk campaign as a fun, titillating way to get attention, but the campaign makes it clear that juice, water, soda and soy milk are preferable to beer, Friedrich said.

PETA contends that milk does not do a body good because it is full of fat and cholesterol, while beer contains neither. PETA's main concern, however, is about what it says is the cruel treatment of milk cows and their calves on factory farms.

``If you drink milk, you are supporting a product that is horrible for human health, catastrophic for the environment and a living nightmare for the animals involved,'' Friedrich said.

PETA is urging the more than 2,000 college students who are part of its college activist network to attempt to place articles and letters about the issue in their campus newspapers starting this week.

PETA also is giving away beer bottle-shaped bottle openers that say, ``Drink responsibly. Don't drink milk.'' and ``Save a cow's life.''

Susan Ruland, a spokeswoman for the dairy industry's ``Got Milk?'' and milk mustache campaigns, called PETA's parody ``ridiculous on so many levels. It's kind of amusing.''

Cows produce more and better milk if they are treated well, so it would not make economic sense for dairy farmers to mistreat the animals, said Ruland, spokeswoman for the International Dairy Foods Association in Washington, D.C.

Ruland also noted that milk contains 30 percent of the calcium, 16 percent of the protein and 25 percent of the vitamin D recommended daily.

``It's just a very powerful nutrient package,'' she said. ``To suggest based on bad science that you avoid it is just irresponsible.''




jewel
Monday, March 13, 2000 06:59:19 PM
IP: atlnb311-25.splitrock.net

Wilek: My Transformers Crushes remind you of Hyena? *lol* One major difference though...Hyena likes Coyote BECAUSE he's a robot, I like Starscream, Silverbolt and Jetstorm for their personality and attitude, they just happen to be robots (albeit good looking ones)

Hey, no one ever says that ppl who get crushes on gargoyles reminds them of Elisa...what's with that?

Shadowrider: Air Force eh? *grins* I'm biased myself... Royal Canadian Air Force forever! Got the same problem as you, myopia, keeping me out of a CF-18 so instead, I'm a flight instructor for air cadets, among other things...
Stormy
Monday, March 13, 2000 06:56:33 PM
IP: pc20.huron.uwo.ca

Anonymous:> Very cool link! I didn't know that site, it is not only very funny, but also VERY useful to me. I added it to my bookmarks and I think I'm gonna use it a lot! Thank you for the suggestion.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, March 13, 2000 05:59:12 PM
IP: h255-20-194.mi2.albacom.net

Actually, that link didn't work, but only because you left off the letter "L" in html. Unless I screwed up something, the link on my name should work. If not, here's the complete address:
http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/rbeard/diction.html

That's really cool, by the way. I'll be adding it to my personal links when I get home, and I may decide to keep it for my library work, too.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, March 13, 2000 05:47:29 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Well people, if your bored, here's a link with interesting words. Hint check under the letter K or V
(Skippy this means you.)

or http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/rbeard/diction.htm
Anonymous
Monday, March 13, 2000 05:37:40 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net

Fire damage> We had a guy come in and take a look today, and while the carpet and window will have to be replaced, and there's some soot to be cleaned as well... the insurance company will pay for the cleaning costs. So that's good. I'm not as miffed about the Teddy now that I've had a good night's sleep. It would have been far worse if Chris hadn't put the fire out when he did.

Blaine> Scroll down to the VERY BOTTOM of the CR for the answer to your question. (Well, regarding Timedancer, anyway. Don't even ASK about Gargoyles, Pendragon, or Dark Ages.)

Shadowrider> <<BTW, at what time of the day the new episode is going to be issued? At 23rd, I want to be at home and connected as it happens!>> The season premiere of TD should go up at midnight on the 22nd. That's the plan, anyway.

Speaking of Timedancer - I did co-write an ep for this season. Robby, what's the policy on torturing CR regulars with teasers? :)

Okay, Chris just asked if I'm online. With today's insanity, that's a nice way of saying: "Get off, I need to use the phone." Later, all.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 05:36:27 PM
IP: pm3-3-ppp1.iximd.com

**Enter Mecord**

Hi all! Thank all that is good for Spring Break!!

Aaron>> No offense taken. There’s a few elves I’d like to jettison out of an airlock myself. :)

Sorrow>> Welcome back. Congrats on the awards.

Cherry>> Couple dozen prayers commin’ up.

Bangali pole>> Maximum ratting for Gargoyles I think should be PG-13, though I think that a majority would probably end up being PG. I don’t think it should go higher on the risk that it might offend too many fans. Poll #2: difficult question. If there’s no “All of the above” then I think I’ll go with Gargoyles. :)

Warpmind>> I take it the Freelance version deals with the RP? How exactly does “Freelance” Illuminati work anyway? For my Guild, any freelancer must deal with the lowest level security clearance and protection, with the threat of slow and painful death if any secret is divulged (if they happen to find out any secrets). Otherwise they’re a lot like mercenaries or informants, not generally trusted and kept at arms length. Although we did have one freelance member that proved invaluable to the survival of the third planet in our system and all who lived on it (me in particular). :)

Everyone>> Remember, DON’T THINK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT! :)

Bye for now.
**Exit**

Mecord
Monday, March 13, 2000 04:49:21 PM
IP: usr46.mtwest.net

Hi, I'm a really big fan of the Gargoyles and I have watched every episode of the gargoyles series 1&2 and I have read every episode of the TGS Gargoyles and I just want to know when there is going to be more of them.
Blaine Beazer - [internet_bum@hotmail.com]
Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
Monday, March 13, 2000 04:38:39 PM
IP: 209.115.254.250

Sorry for double post.

Green Baron:> Seems you posted your comment right before the Room was cleared. Luckily, I went to see last week's comment and I found it, I nearly missed it!
Well...more than caustic, I'm a little ironic, I could say :)

Nazi/Vatican controversial:> Well, you'd have to read Giorgio Bocca's "Storia d'Italia" : Bocca is one of the best Italian historian, especially for last century's Italian history. In his book he analyzes with his usual impartiality Vatican's behaviour in WWII. Emerges that Pius XII was not a bad man, but he was too weak (in a political more than personal meaning) to impose his view to the Vatican's hierarcy. So, while he tried to do what he could against the Holocaust and to force Victor Emmanuel II (a weakling and a betrayer, may his name be remembered with disgust) to stop Mussolini, a large part of Vatican's high hierarcy enstablished strong reports of connivence and even cooperation with Nazists. About the fact they helped Nazists to escape, Bocca shows a lot of proofs and circumstances of these episodes, in which were involved some of the most important Vatican's officers at that time. Anyway, you're right: judging in hindsight is at the same time too easy and too erratic.

Attila the Hun: I admit I know very little about him.

Capital punishment: I am personally against Capital punishment (I find it is useless), as well as the greatest part of Italian people. Anyway, I respect your position, I think anyone has the right to think as he likes.

Southern Italy: well, as you decide to visit my country, just let me know! I'd be glad to act as your guide. I know southern Italy very well (my grandparents live in Naples, 200 Km south of Rome), I visited it extensively with my bike in holidays and I could show you a lot of beautiful places.

Communism: well, like all theories, it is perfect until it is not applied. Anyway, I think that market has to be controlled by government, the way Keynes said.

Military service: Italian goverment just issued a law to gradually convert Italian Armed Forces in a fully volunteer-based force. Draft will be suspended starting from 2005. Anyway, I could become an Officer If I like (and it is not sure I will not), no matter I'm myopic, but I couldn't become a pilot.

Thank you for forgiving my mistake. I'm glad I was given a second chance.

Well, I'm sore I forgot something. Anyway,
Ave atque Vale, Green Baron.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, March 13, 2000 03:43:21 PM
IP: h213-18-159.mi2.albacom.net

<Shadowrider enters>

Jewel:> Thank you for the quoting. I sometimes would like to forget sleep (days seem to have more tasks than hours sometimes), but I'd better not to do it...the fact is, ti reach my university I have to ride my motorbike for a 40 Km. Now, I remember perfectly the way, but I'm supposed to keep my eyes open as I go! :) P.S. Barenaked Ladies? What is it? I really don't know it...

SJ:> I sincerely thank you for your words, I really appreciated them.

Timedancer:> Ten Days??? I hope I can resist so long without going nuts! BTW, at what time of the day the new episode is going to be issued? At 23rd, I want to be at home and connected as it happens!

Bengali:> For your first poll...I'm not familiar with American scale of rating, so I can't express a vote. For the second...well, Timedancer and Gargoyles for sure (I think TD is, between the spin-offs, the most original and thrilling. Most important, there is Sata :)) Then I'd like to see Bad Guys (I really liked "The Dirty Dozen"); for the others...well, I'm quite indifferent.

Wilek:> I actually managed to contact them! I think they're gonna to admit me. I'll report infos as I'll get them. I hope they're not monitoring this Room...;)

Doug:> I'm glad I ain't gonna leave too! :)
I'm glad to hear you liked my sketch of Brooklyn. For Sata...be sure, I didn't forget her. Maybe I already said it, but Sata is actually my preferred character as well as Brooklyn. I love her for herself (I identify her a lot with Arianna, my Taekwon-do teacher-both of them are steel-tempered but at the same time able to listen and understand other's feelngs, and both of them are simply beautiful- both inside and out) and for the contribution she gave to Brooklyn's evolution during their years of Timedancing. Sata and Brooklyn are very good characters by themselves, as a pair they are simply uncanny! If you like, we could discuss more about Sata, I'd really like to hear your opnion about her.

Enough for now, see ya later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:57:28 PM
IP: h255-22-150.mi2.albacom.net

***Kyryn sneaks in***

Thanks, Robby for the official announcement of Timedancer. My isp decided to go down right after I sent the notifications to TGS staffers.

Mandy> Poor Teddy. I know how you must feel. I am absolutely paranoid about things catching fire. We lost the garage roof when I was a kid due to an electrical fire, and a lot of beloved early childhood things that were stored in the rafters went poof.

Later All!

***Kyryn sneaks out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:44:54 PM
IP: 207.115.148.178

One more poll Update!

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?

1.Y=0 votes
2.Y-7 or G=2 votes
3.PG=0 votes
4.PG-13 or TV-14=3 votes
5.NC-17 or R=0 votes
6.No rating=1 vote
7.Whatever Greg wants it to be=1 vote

Poll #2>If Gargoyles gets back on the air which of the proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

{For those who put their answers in lists of preferences I put the one they put at the top of the ones they wanted as their answer}

1.New Olympians=
2.Gargoyles=2 votes
3.Pendragon=0 votes
4.Timedancer=4 votes
5.Bad Guys=0 votes
6.Dark Ages=0 votes
7.Gargoyles 2158=1 vote
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:32:11 PM
IP: spider-ti063.proxy.aol.com

ACK!

I made a mistake when I added up the second poll!

The real result was...

1.New Olympians=0 votes
2.Gargoyles=2 votes
3.Timedancer=3 votes
4.Pendragon=0 votes
5.Gargoyles 2158=1 vote
6.Dark Ages=0 votes
7.Bad guys=0 votes

Sorry for the mistake!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:29:06 PM
IP: spider-ti063.proxy.aol.com

THANK GOD!!!!!!!! It feels great to be back! Competitions are nice and all, but there's no place like home (that being here)! In short summary, I had a blast in San Antonio, except that every meal I ate I ended up getting sick. Damn San Antonio food! Our team won five awards: Best Choreography, Judges Award for Modern, Sweepstakes, Gussie Nell Davis Award, and Best in Class Small Ensemble. I personally won a Division One on my solo as well as received the highest score out of the four solos we took. It was fun, but I'm glad to be home. Thanks for all who wished me good luck!

Timedancer> After months of waiting, it's finally going to happen! I can't wait! I really hope Harthoth will come back!

New Poll> I'd want Timedancer to made first just cause it would always be in a new place, with new characters, and just cause I also love Brooklyn :) I'd like it to be PG-13 because I think it would make the story seem more realistic.

Congrats to all the Fanfic Reunion winners!

GB> No, I don't have a brother in San Antonio. I have one in Georgia and one at Vanderbilt Medical School.

Joe> Tony is coming home this Wednesday at about six. Oh, and I love you!
SOROW
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:27:42 PM
IP: dll2a010-0085.splitrock.net

Poll Update!

I forgot to put "New Olympians" as one of the spin-offs, it is included in the choices.

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air what rating would you want for it to be?

1.Y=0 votes
2.Y-7 or G=2 votes
3.PG=0 votes
4.PG-13 and TV-14=2 votes
5.NC-17 and R=0 votes
6.No rating=1 vote
7.Whatever Greg wants it to be=1 vote

Poll #2>If Gargoyles gets back on the air which of the proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

{For those who put their answers in lists of preferences I put the one they put at the top of the ones they wanted as their answer}

1.New Olympians=
2.Gargoyles=1 vote
3.Pendragon=o votes
4.Timedancer=3 votes
5.Bad Guys=0 votes
6.Dark Ages=0 votes
7.Gargoyles 2158=2 votes

Wilek>I do have a SNES and NES, I'll try the ROMs of the 2 games first before I buy them.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:18:04 PM
IP: spider-ti063.proxy.aol.com

Aaron backs into the CR, trying to beat back a host of elven swordsmen. Repulsing them momentarily, he slams the door and poofs a stand of evil woods into existance in front of it.

To borrow Toku's favorite quote, Budda's @$$ I hate elves! (No offense Mec. I'm actually playing as a Dark Elf) They're quick, they're strong, they've got most of the powerful magic, and they're propping up the dwarves and the halflings, and standing between me and my vengeance on the wretched humans. Meanwhile I'm stuck with a bunch of orcish morons who don't even make decent cannon fodder.

Argh, Age of Wonders is getting to me. Anyway...

Jenna> Congrats on getting a job. :)

FS>No, in my ficverse Thailog has much grander aims then a little serial murder, so unless I did it as an alternate universe fic, someone else is welcome to take a crack at it.

Warpmind> Summon coffee, eh? Cool. I could really use that at work. Of course, it'd probably go something like this...

"Aaron, get me some coffee."
"Yes boss." (Snap fingers. Scream from off screen)
"One of these days, I've got to learn summon *cups* too."

Rodlox> War with equal numbers and equal tech equals a stalemate. Just ask the Daleks.

Gunjack> I love my black trenchcoat, and I think I've figured out why. Trenchcoats are very dramatic. Whether the wearer is a hero or villain, they're obviously not someone to take lightly. They're nearly as dramatic as capes, and a lot more practical. After all, capes don't have pockets.

GB> My bad about the b-day dinner. And actually, according to my information, John Lithgow is playing Don Quixote in the upcoming TNT production.

Toku> You watch the Sopranos?!? Can you please tell me what happened on last weeks episode? All I got to see was the last minute where Christopher got shot. Thanks.

Doug> Well, I wanted to leave a lot sooner, but I had to do a paper on one of our two guest speakers, and I thought the other one was bad until I met this one.

Crzy> Are you still lurking?

Mara> I'm having chibi withdrawl. Help meeeeee.

Well, the woods are disappating, so I have to go now. Aaron whistles, and a white charger like Antonio Banderas had in the 13th Warrior rides in. (I said I wanted a big white *wolf* but nooooooo) Aaron carefully gets on the horse and rides out, whacking DC like a polo ball as he goes.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:06:22 PM
IP: ppp-188.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

**RP WARNINGS**

In the Mountain of Woe's deep cavern, Gothmenes and his fellow arch-demons are listening to a report from a harried Ted Turner. "Sir!" he shouts. "All my spies in Reverend Atilla's organization have disappeared!" "How does this impact our plan?" Gothmenes frowns. "Without my spies, I can't get close to Atilla, or even know what he's doing! He could ruin everything!" "Oh come now," Synatia rolls her eyes. "He's just a cat." "But he's a very special cat!" Ted declares. "With connections!" "I still doubt very much that he could ruin our plans," Gothmenes laughs. "Continue your preparations, Turner!" He clicks off the communicator and turns away, shaking his flaming head. "Why is that fool so worried about a cat? There are greater threats to our plans, like the Seeker and Mephisto." "Don't worry about them," Deavik smiles from the other end of the conference table. "I have sent the Quencher to ensure that the Seeker and Mephisto's servants on the Avatar all die." "You did what?" Galante drops his jaw. "Who's the Quencher?" asks Pastor John. "Someone who can not be trusted," Gothmenes frowns. "More than any other demon." "I paid the Quencher well," Deavik shrugs. "She should carry the mission out." "And if she doesn't?" "Well, then, Gothmenes, we all know whose daughter is next in line for her job." The balor suddenly smiles as he hears that. "Maybe this can work out after all," he laughs as the screen's image begins to fade. "Now let's see what kind of suffering is going on in Los Angeles."

**WHICH WE WILL, IN THE RP BELOW**

Hi everyone. Well, spring break has now begun for some of us, Kit and myself included. And so far we've mostly enjoyed it. We've visited the local fair, had some fun with our friends, and gotten some much-needed sleep. And there's still more than a week ahead. <smiles> Our biggest problem may be not knowing how to spend the vacation. If anyone out there is still in school this week and thus has cause to be jealous, <grins> you have my prayers that your own spring breaks are not far away.

Fanfic Progress: One thing I will definitely be doing in this week of mostly-free time is catching up on Elysium, and hopefully I'll release it by Easter. The story is coming along well, and moving up to the final fateful conflict. First, though, I've got a few more scenes. :)

Mecord: Sorry about the dog. I remember when my own dog died. He was never a very good one, but I still missed him. A lot. :( Hope you can get over it soon.

Tonsils: Still have mine, despite people's attempts to make it not so. :) Good luck surviving and recovering from the operation on yours, Niamh.

Shadowrider: Nice character sketch of Brooklyn last week. I pretty much agree with its points, and think I probably like Brooklyn for the same reasons. Wonder why you didn't factor Sata and her effect on Brooklyn into it though. She's sure to have done at least something to help him mature in all their years together, right? :)

Thanks for the belated happy birthdays to those who gave them. <adjusts Coyote's cake to strawberry flavor and then starts eating a piece> And for the gifts. Hope all your lives improve soon.

Warpmind: I'll have to get me that AoD computer game. :) Thanks for mentioning it, and the KoX hint.

Phantom of the Opera: I can't see Antonio doing the job either. Maybe I will be able to after the movie. :) As long as they have the right person doing Christine. (Not Madonna, definitely not Madonna. She can do Cerulean in my fanfics if she wants, but she will not ruin Phantom with her awful acting! :)

GB, Pistoff: Thanks, I'm glad for the honor opportunity. :) <trenchcoat in Supreme Court> I would like to see that. <grin> Oh, and GB, if you had a birthday party in here, I for one would definitely attend it. And I support the idea too. :)

SOROW, Joe: You're welcome for the thoughts. Glad your friend's alright.

Wilek: Thanks for the Nereus Project outline. It looks interesting. Hope we are able to go through with it someday. I would then rule Texas with an iron fist...:)...which would of course be encased in a velvet glove except when applied to the world's selfish idiots. <grin>

Mandi: Fugitive killer in your area? Ack. Hope they catch the guy. If you run into him, give an extra kick in the right place for me, okay? :) (Hope you don't, but still...) And have fun on your Spring Break too, friend. :)

Character Description: Well, my character looks a lot like me in real life, I guess. A bearded Richard Harrison whose hair is perpetually unkempt, with a slight spare tire and frequent devil-may-care grin. Generally I wear jeans, tennis shoes, a polo shirt, and an old hunting jacket with several pockets (prefer it to black trenchcoats most of the time, even though I do own a black trenchcoat too). Also as often as possible accompanied by my gorgeous girlfriend. <smiles in Kit's direction> That's it basically. Oh yeah, I guess when I need to hurt someone, I carry a sawed-off shotgun tucked under the jacket a la Kyle Reese from Terminator. It's a plasma shotgun (of the type used by the terrorist boss in the arcade game Crisis Zone) in the RP.

Aaron: I would have walked out of that class a heck of a lot sooner. Talk about what sounds like a biased speech. :(

Porn vs. Erotica: Not touching this debate with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole, even though I have read and somewhat enjoyed Madame Destine's latest story. Hope everyone in here can drop it soon and remember what sort of place this is. While it goes on, I guess I'll come down as usual on the side of Kaioto & Mecord (and I also am glad Shadowrider ain't gonna leave :).

Congrats to all Fanfic Reunion Contest Winners!

Media This Weekend: Nothing interesting, I'm sorry to say. Pokemon stunk even worse than usual (I'll let Robby say why if he wants), Batman Beyond was fun but predictable (at least we had continuity again), and Max Steel was a little disappointing, I'm sorry to say (maybe because I already knew what would happen after it, :( Oh well, I still liked the villain's line about not caring). As for X-Files, this week's was yet another confusing and IMO not-that-great episode (sorry, SJ, but some of us have never seen Billy Drago before. He did do a pretty good job in his role in the ep, IMO, but overall it pretty much stunk). They've had too many of those lately. It better change next week (and with CSM back in the spotlight, there's a good chance it probably will :).

Jewel: Hope your life soon improves too, I'm sure it can get better than it was last week. :)

GXB: Yes, you do. :) Hope to hear from you soon about them, and thanks for saying you would. Welcome back too. :)

Timedancer Season Three: The 23rd? Okay, I'll be waiting for it. Eagerly. :) Thanks to Robby for the teasers.

Jessie Feff: Heh, your story is one of the only two I haven't read from Sabledrake yet. Something tells me I better do it soon once I get the chance, and send you feedback. :) Hope it's good, and I'm pretty sure it will be. Especially if it contains some of your excellent artwork to match the writing. :) Glad you're feeling better, btw.

The Polls: I'd take a y7 rating myself, that's about what Gargs had before. If it came back, I'd want Gargs first off so we can get a lot of Ask Greg questions answered. :) Then Timedancer, because of Brooklyn and my interest in history, followed by Bad Guys.

Cherry Blossom: Okay. It would help if I knew what I was praying for, but you'll be in my prayers just the same, friend. :)

And that's all for now, will see you all again this week hopefully. For now I need to get back to work on Elysium. Later everyone! <waves>

**RESUME THE RP ACTION**

In Los Angeles, the Ravens' shuttle continues to be buffeted by hurricane-force winds that are now cracking and breaking all of the plane's windows and throwing the ship around to prevent anyone from getting out. "We're never going to survive this!" Doug screams just as the ship's access door tumbles off and the cabin is depressurized. "Somebody do something!" Kit yells in the same instant as they all grab handholds and hold tight, Shap and Orion praying loudly while Erin does the same to herself. Mist meows loudly as she is sucked out of the plane and Gubio screams as his laptop tumbles after her. Kit is flung out next, but unlike Mist (who's still falling) she manages to catch a current with her wings, then fire at the air elemental. It doesn't even seem to notice her shots. "I hit it and it went right through!" Kit gasps. "What does it take to get this thing?" "I don't know!" Doug shouts back as he falls past her after being torn from his seat. Kit immediately dives after him just as the air elemental strikes at them with one of its hands and knocks her down out of the sky. Inside the ship still clutched in his other hand, Lathrop takes the opportunity of the shuttle having stopped shaking to pull out one of his scrolls and quickly read it aloud. The elemental shudders and vanishes, dismissed back to its home plane. "Good job, Mr. L!" Stephanie claps the wizard on the back. "Don't do that yet," Lathrop replies. "There's still at least three more attacking Los Angeles." "And, uh," Jammer adds, "that elemental was the only thing holding up our plane." They all then realize the shuttle is slowly falling and begin screaming loudly. This continues until they land in the Pacific Ocean below them with a great splash. A very soaked Kit, Doug, and Mist immediately paddle the life raft one of them inflated on thier way down over and start pulling their friends aboard as the screen's image fades, hoping they can get everyone before the shuttle sinks.

*WE'LL FIND OUT IF THEY WILL NEXT TIME, FOR NOW END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, March 13, 2000 01:30:58 PM
IP: pool-209-138-206-108-dlls.grid.net

**SOMETHING (doesn't *that* just narrow it down)**

[The CR dwellers hear something banging, pounding, kicking, scratching, and yelling at the door, seemingly unable to get through. The noise ceases for a long, long moment...and then, the people inside the room hear what sounds like a LARGE weapon charging up. An explosion takes out the entire wall and roof to reveal what looks like a cross between Tankorr's vehicle form and an AT-ST on steroids, with the name 'Diamond WEAPON' printed on it. The canopy opens and a very ticked-off Wilek rises from the cockpit. He espies Mr. Disconnect cowering in the corner.] So, *THIS* is why I haven't been able to get in. [Wilek powers up the Diamond WEAPON's main gun again, aims it at DC, and fires, taking out the other wall and killing a few dozen random extras along with DC.] That...was therapeutic. [He looks around at the damage and grins nervously.] Um...I'll fix this. [Wilek summons a few construction droids and finally gets around to posting.]

**END**

Jenna> <<I got my gargoyle game from funco land - if it's the sega genesis game- that the one with ol goliath!!! ^_^>> Ah good; thanks for the info. ^_^ Hmm, their description must be inaccurate...

Bengali> <<Gargoyles Quest is not about the same thing as our beloved show, its an RPG about a Gargoyle called Firebrand>> I was aware of that, actually. ^_^ <<I havnt played it yet though because I dont have a Game boy.>> Do you have an NES or an SNES? The two sequels, Gargoyle's Quest 2 and Demon's Crest, are for those two systems, respectively. Demon's Crest is by far the better of the two (and one of the best games ever IMHO). :)

Lexy> <<And to top it off I never really had any male friends or males that I could talk to for that matter.>> Glad you found the CR, then. ^_^ <<The only time males talked to me was to tell me how stupid, ugly, or fat I was.>> Eh? <remembers Lexy's pic from The Gathering> That...doesn't make sense...those idiots...

Gunjack> <<I spent most of the morning horizontal while I tryed to build up enough nerve to find out whether my stomach would actually keep anything down, and thye thought of food still makes me sick.>> Ack. <tosses Sli Sludge into an iron maiden> Get well soon, lad... <<As for disadds, well, for one, all that gear means that if
I fell into a good-sized lake, I'd sink straight to the bottom and drown unless I was close enough to the shore to walk out along the bottom.>> Hm...maybe waterproof antigravs or the like would fix that? <<I'd
have to worry about brain shorts and possibly mental instability... But hey, small price to pay, right?>> Like that's anything new for *us*? hehehehehe <<the benighted heathens who refuse to conform to the rightous teachings of GURPS...:)>> Would a World Of Darkness fan count? :P <<How many people here DON'T like black trenchcoats/dusters? I noticed an awful lot of those being used in character descriptions...:)>> I love the look (at least one of my fic characters wears a black trenchcoat), but I myself look better in more casual wear. :) Come to think of it, I use a *lot* of concealing black clothing for my characters...

Peter> <<I would be willing to aid in your takeover of British Columbia, as I have access to members of the government. Though I'll skip on the immortality.>> Sure thing. ^_^

Fire Storm> <<Give me the rights (Shipping, colonization, mining) to local space (Solar System inside the astroid belt but except Earth) for a period of 100 years (with the option to extend that), and I wll give you what you want (plus a percentage of the profits or the raw materials).>> Intriguing. You have a deal. :) With but one small exception: Exploration and archeological investigation rights to the Cydonia region of the planet Mars. Do whatever else you like with the rest of the planet, but I am *very* curious about the Face and the Pyramids. ^_^ <<besides... I doubt you would allow me to rule my home area of Metro Detoit, Mi>> Doesn't sound so bad, actually...<<Couldn't the Matrix dwellers have access to television and cameras from inside the Matrix?>> That was the meaning behind my 'literal chat rooms' comment--holographic cameras and projectors, used to communicate between the real-world chat rooms and the Matrix chatrooms. :)

Warpmind> <<Yet, it is vaguely concerning... after all, what if our foes get wind of this?>> They'll be reconditioned. >:) <<A possible rival for the power struggle claims to have about 8,000,000 troopers hidden away on Mars and Lunar bases. Could you please have these possible bases looked into?>> Already have. It was a bluff--it was 8,000, and there apparently isn't a base on Mars. The fleet has already taken care of it. >:)

Shadowrider> <<want to warn you from another group of conspirators: they make themselves call "Power Around The World" and their strategy is unknown. They're not a treat by now, but they're expanding and could become a problem. I'm gonna try to infiltrate their organization to discover something.>> Good. Thanks. :) heh, maybe we can get Reverend Attila to bribe them? >:)

Gside> <<Does the immortality come with eternal youth?>> Well of course! I wouldn't want my entire council looking like the Crypt Keeper. :P

Cyclonus> Welcome! :D I would request that you surrender your sanity, but being so closely associated with one of us has probably taken care of that. ;)

SJ> <<I have no idea what this is, but it sounds wonderfully evil.>> That would be at my name link or http://nereusproject.cjb.net ^_^ <<how can I join?>> Joining is supremely informal; simply help the rest of us try to take over the world (they're Pinky and the Brain, yes Pinky and the Brain...). >:D

Jewel> Microsoft Commercial> I remember that commercial (loved the music)...but I never noticed...<ROTFL>

Bengali> <<If Gargoyles was to get back on the air, what rating would you want for it to be?>> Whatever Greg wants it to be, I suppose. Now if it were *my* fics, I doubt that some of my more violent bits would be able to avoid an R rating. <<if Gargoyles was to get back on the air, which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?>> Probably Timedancer, 2158, or Bad Guys (although I'd want BG to have a different name. Redemption Squad, perhaps?).

Mandolin> Fire> AAAAAACCCCCCCCKKKKKK!!!!!! O_O' <speechless>
Wilek Nereus
Monday, March 13, 2000 12:05:10 PM
IP: tnt-1-174-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Jessie Feff> Congratulations on the introduction of the Beatles (I really need to get around to posting some of their mp3s... Let's see, all of Abbey Road, all Pepper, HDN..)

Bengali> emu: You can find GQ2 at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/5940/nes.html and #1 at http://www.emulation.zone.ru/gbroms.html
Polls: For #1, I'll go to just next to the middle, as it allows for more storytelling options: 5.TV14
For #2, I think it would be best yo start with the core series, hoping more can be added: 1.Gargoyles

I should be getting my new hard drive toaday - FUN!

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, March 13, 2000 11:50:09 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

*peeks in*

Warpmind> Gibraltar?! Thats like in the mediteranian, right?! No, why off man, I'm gonna hafta get you a map!

Eeep!!! Late again!!! ^_^;; Bye again!
Caliope
Monday, March 13, 2000 11:46:42 AM
IP: t3-ce-1.centix.net

*walks into the CR*

well, I have two things to say..
1. I for one, can not wait for Timedancer season #3...

2. please pray for me anyone who does. I need it very badly..

*walks out*
cherry blossom
Monday, March 13, 2000 10:52:57 AM
IP: spider-tf061.proxy.aol.com

SJ> <<Oh well. Bush vs. Gore....jeez, I never thought I'd say this, but Trump for President suddenly became a little more enticing... >> Did you see SNL last night? The whole opening skit was about how BORING the presidential race is going to be now that it's down to them. :)

G2K> Still don't have roommates. *sigh* Was going to get on the main G2K site and start bugging people now that I have Spring Break to do it with - but then we had a little excitement around here..

**PERSONAL STUFF!**

Moral of the week: Never leave an unattended candle burning.

I came back from walking yesterday to find a bunch of fire trucks pulled up in front of the house. Apparently, within 10 minutes after I left, a fire started in the sewing room - which is right next to my bedroom. Mom had left a candle burning in there, and it burned down to the bottom and fell onto a tablecloth. The good news is, my stepdad got a bucket of water and some flannel sheets and put the fire out before the fire department arrived - if he hadn't, the whole room would have been lost. Needless to say, the carpet needs to be replaced, as do the curtains, but Mom and Chris are okay. (Chris aggravated his shoulder putting the fire out, though...)

There's only one valuable thing we lost, and although I'm glad everyone's okay, I'm still kind of annoyed at Mom about this. When I was seven, I got one of the first Teddy Ruxpins ever made, and it survived a flight to Colorado that year (although airport security insisted on examining it). I took such good care of it that even after 13 years, the sucker still worked perfectly. I kept it in my bedroom closet with the rest of my stuffed animals. To my horror, when we were going through the damages, I discovered that Mom had moved it into the sewing room for safekeeping. Suffice to say, Teddy is no more. Now I know it's just a thing, not a person, and I know it could have been worse, but had she left it in my closet, it would be fine now. *sigh* If it had to be one or the other, why not the darn Little Ponies?

**END PERSONAL STUFF!**

Stargate SG-1> I forget who mentioned it, but I got home in time for break to watch "Nemesis" - and five minutes before the ending, realized that it was about time for the season finale. Their cliffhangers get more frustrating with each year! (Which is a good thing, but still...)

Movies> Finally saw "American Beauty" on Saturday. I won't spoil anything here, but wow, that was good. (IMO, Thora Birch, not Mena Suvari, should have been nominated...)

All right, that's all for the moment. Need to free up the phone line for Chris now. :)
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 09:23:09 AM
IP: pm3-3-ppp3.iximd.com

*Warpmind peeks in, grinning sheepishly.*

Skippy: Now, I actually didn't mean to blame the canadians; I though more of the reaction of well-meaning mothers and censorship. But hey, whatever you say. I ain't going to judge opinions here (I think that debate should be allowed to rest for now. Maybe next millennium or so, we can revive it.)

Caliope: Um... Puerto Rico... Carribean? Funny, I though it was somewhere practically within sight of Gibraltar... oh, well, I DID say I'm a worthless source of geographical info. (Although I usually get most of the continents right.)

*Warpmind looks behind him, and bolts.*
Gottagettoclassguysbye!
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, March 13, 2000 08:07:09 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Hello!!! :)

Warpmind> Noooo, not Spain, Puerto Rico! Caribean! America!!!.....suthern-eastern hemisphear....earth... :P Quite a distance, huh? :P

Alex> *poke poke*...Hey Alex! You won the Fan Fic contest!!! Congrats!!!

....Yes, this is Alex....she`s my friend... she win fic contest....I know her...shes my friend :P

Hey! Alex! Do you get some kindda cash prize for that?! If you do, you will remember the little ppl (me) Wont you?!...Oh, and I like pizza....yes.....and manga....and expencive cars :P

Ak! Gotta go! but I`m not done! Finish latter! Bye!!!! :P
Caliope
Monday, March 13, 2000 07:28:29 AM
IP: t3-ce-1.centix.net

Yes, I'm still up...

Bengali- Actually, there is a difference between R and NC-17. With an R rating, someone under the age of 17 can get in if an adult is with them. (WHich is how I saw Robocop in theaters when I was 5...) With an NC-17 rating, the theory is that no one under the age of 17 is allowed to see the movie period, though its kinda a moot point since basically the only film to use that rating in the last ten years was "Showgirls"...

But to answer your question, if gargs came back on the air I'd rather not constrict it to a rating and let the stories tell themselves. In the original series the rating changed from episode to episode, so...

If one of Greg's spinoffs was to become real... Well, usually I'd say Timedancer, but at the moment, for me at least, its kinda "been there, done that, helped write and draw it, got the t-shirt". Dark Ages would be too depressing, and I'm really not into the Pendragon scene. Badguys I don't think I'd care for considering ideas I've had about it that would never be in it. Which brings it down to gargs and gargs 2158, upon which I'm torn. Gargs we would have to deal with the sneaking around Goliath Chronicle, and 2158 would let us see the final outcome of everything, perhaps in flashbacks. So honestly, at this point in time, I'd say 2158. Ask me again in a week, and I may have a different answer.

Blame the Canadians! Yah! No wait... Deuce is a Canadian, and I consider him a good friend... I think I need to pass on the Canada bashing as a result. (Particularly since I have nothing against Canada.)
Robby
Monday, March 13, 2000 07:15:45 AM
IP: spider-wa082.proxy.aol.com

BENGALI - In response to your poll.

If "Gargoyles" were to return, I'd most likely go for the "Y7" or "G" rating, rather than go for something more "PG" or "R" rated.

As for which cycle I'd like to see (and actually, you omitted "The New Olympians" from your list, which I'm adding on in my answer).

This is more of an "order of preference" list than a single answer - I hope that you won't object to it.

"Gargoyles" itself would be most likely at the top. As far as the spin-offs are concerned, at the top of my preferences list would be "Dark Ages" and "Pendragon". "Timedancer" and "The New Olympians" would be somewhere in the middle. "Gargoyles 2158", too. (I'm not a big fan of sci-fi/futuristic elements, which accounts for this spin-off's relatively low place on my list, but on the other hand, I am curious to see what sort of relations gargoyles would have with humans in 2158 and how the two races would be handling the problems that arise when it becomes clear that gargoyles are a sentient race - after all, the fact that gargoyles aren't a minority human group but a non-human species makes race relations with them a lot more complicated than with blacks or Jews, say - and "Gargoyles 2158" would be better equipped for handling that issue than the present-day "Gargoyles", where the big issue would still be that of getting the humans to realize that gargoyles are sentient beings rather than wild animals). "Bad Guys" at the bottom, since I'm not all that interested in conventional high-tech action-adventure (although actually that element would probably make it the spin-off most likely to get on the air, far more likely than "Dark Ages" or "Pendragon").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, March 13, 2000 07:06:11 AM
IP: 216.87.46.225.dialup-stl.primary.net

Bengali: As for ratings.... I´d go for PG-13
and as for the spin offs... most defenetly, TIMEDANCER!!!! :D

Skippy The Klingon: that´s right!! Blame the CANADIANS!! ;P heehee

<<10 MORE DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON THREE!>>
Can you stand the suspence?!?!?!? ;D

Gathering 2001> Can we do it in PUERTO RICO!!!
(I hear it´s quite lovely! *wink wink*)
Think of the beach! the sunny beach! or that wonderful rain forest! and all those historic sites!! .... and US!! (Caliope & Alex) :D

ok... gotta book it!!! :)





Alex Destine
Monday, March 13, 2000 07:02:49 AM
IP: t3-ce-1.centix.net

Cant sleep so I'm gonna make another post...

<<<<Warning! Rant ahead!>>>>


AARRRGGGHHH!!!
The Disney channel stopped airing Gargoyles on Sundays as part of their sneak peak of Toon Disney!, I HATE it when that kind of stuff happens to shows I like. First USA did it and now Disneys doing it...


<<<<End Rant>>>>

New Poll:I came up with two quick polls...

Poll #1>If Gargoyles was to get back on the air, what rating would you want for it to be?

1.Y
2.Y7
3.G
4.PG
5.TV-14
6.PG-13
7.NC-17
8.R
{Y7 and G are the same thing but with different names, so is PG-13 and TV-14, and NC-17 is the same as R}.

Poll #2>Also if Gargoyles was to get back on the air, which of Gregs proposed spin-offs would you want to be made?

1.Gargoyles
2.Timedancer
3.Pendragon
4.Dark Ages
5.Gargoyles 2158
6.Bad Guys

Now I am really tired so good night, or rather good morning.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, March 13, 2000 05:52:31 AM
IP: spider-wi062.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind <<The adult fanfic thing: I guess everything's already been said... Still, it's good we have the adult archive. Keeps the fragile little minds unscathed. (Why am I suddenly reminded of the South Park movie?)>>

Yeah, we need to rember who is really responsible here: THE CANADIANS!!! What side of the 48th parallel are you from Mistress Destine????

Skippy The Klingon
Monday, March 13, 2000 05:41:35 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-36.ultravision.net

*Comes in and yawns*

I just spent the last several hours doing Timedancer illustrations for the end of the season, and I'm bushed! Bushed, but proud of myself. You folks will get to see the results of my work in about three months. heh.

And on the subject of Timedancer, let the countdown begin..!

10 MORE DAYS UNTIL TIMEDANCER SEASON THREE!

(Yes yes, I know, "Robby, you're mean"...)
Robby
Monday, March 13, 2000 05:33:52 AM
IP: spider-wm078.proxy.aol.com

Pistoff: i apologize.
. yes, you did develop the concept of the Gra'athi {and their name} before our emails began. yes, together we detailed their evolution, sociology, and history. yes, you did change the passages as per our agreement after our disagreement.
. yes, i did use the Gra'athi in a fanfic of my own, which spurred the Disagreement between us. i don't offhand recall if Koz was more than a mention for one sentance, as i have - as per the agreement - deleted it from my harddrive and the gargoyles fan archive.
. to sum it up, i apologize, and have put it behind me. i hope that you are availiable as a beta/proof-reader...are you?


Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 03:12:22 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Warpmind enters, yawning.*
Mornin', gang. Monday morning, to be precise. And I did *not* call it a good moorning...
*Chibi family enters, also yawning.*
At least I'm not the only tired person around...

Fire Storm: I don't think I'd float. I'm not precisely a top-notch swimmer, plys I don't know if the polyalloy internal organ shielding would be light enough...

The adult fanfic thing: I guess everything's already been said... Still, it's good we have the adult archive. Keeps the fragile little minds unscathed. (Why am I suddenly reminded of the South Park movie?)

Mecord: Now, there's a difference between my place in the Illuminati, and the RP version. ;)

Green Baron: Castro: See, I told you so. ;) But seriously, I figure he's done a lot of good for Cuba, and even the world (although I'm sure the whole end result of the Cuban Crisis was unintentional, with the Kremlin hotline and all) in his days. He did, after all, get out a lot of trash from the days when US organized crime ran the island.

By the way, I just saw the US presidential candidates... *whee* For once, Norway seems kinda nice. ;)

Jewel: Microsoft commercial: ROFLMAO!!! Twice!

Judging others: It's well put in the Bible, actually. That thing about the splinter and the beam, if any of you recall it... :)

Well, that's about it, so I'll be headin' out now.

Later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, March 13, 2000 03:10:41 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Okay, I noticed the people calling me a hypocrite, and so on. Robby told us not to talk about it anymore, so I won't. Instead, I wrote up a response and added it to my Rant Page. It addresses everything in detail, and says just about everything I have to say on the matter. Click my name link if you want to see it. And if anybody wants to discuss details, please email me, so it won't be discussed in the CR. However, if anyone has a "generic" comment about my rant, whether it's "I agree" or "I think you're a moron," feel free to post it here. I'm not afraid to take a public beating. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened, anyway....

Now, there's just one other minor annoyance....

Rodlox: I've been ignoring you before, but now you crossed the line. What was that BS about me "modifying" the _original_ Gra'athi?! You and I went over this once before, don't you remember? You _did_ steal the Gra'athi from me, and you also used Koz without permission in one of your stories. Have you forgotten about that? Or are you completely delusional?

Furthermore, do not attempt to lay claim to the "original" Gra'athi. I created them, I used that name in my very first fanfic, before you even started emailing me. You merely offered some physiological and psychological characteristics, which I used and gave you credit for in the disclaimers. That does NOT mean you created them. If you have a set of aliens in your stories, pick a different name for them. The Gra'athi are mine, and I did NOT modify them from something you created. I have plenty of witnesses to this, people who started reading with the first episode in my series--and the descriptions you offered didn't even appear until the seventh story...and those have been removed from the story, as per our agreement that you remove your story with the Gra'athi and Koz. Or have you forgotten?

Now it seems you're pulling the same kind of crap. You are a parasite. You're trying to steal things from a guy who absolutely will NOT allow it to happen.

Cease and decist. NOW.

Everybody else: I know I said I'd finish catching up on replies, but it's almost midnight, and it's been one of those days. I'll catch up tomorrow, once I can see straight again...
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:58:35 AM
IP: cb2-97.transport.com

Continued off of last weeks post...

Adult comments>This subject is pretty much dead but I still want my say in it. I'd probably agree with Jannie and Stephen, this is a PG rated room, not R. I dont read, write, or watch smut, art, erotica, pornography or whatever you want to call it and I dont think that it should be in this room. There is an adult comment room for this kind of stuff.

Shadowrider>Dont worry about it, you're still welcome here.

Gside>The reason I havnt played the rom of the game is because I havnt been able to find it.

Green Baron><<Isnt Gargoyles Quest about some gargoyle named Firebrand?>>Yes.

Gathering 2001>How about Antarctica?.

I'm tired so I'll finish this tomorrow...
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:54:00 AM
IP: spider-wi032.proxy.aol.com

<---there's a guy named George Harrison in TGS??? I'm assuming he's _not_ the former Beatle...

Whew, well, I am well on the road to recovery now; thanks to those who wished me well. Much of the weekend was spend lying on the couch and sleeping...and I actually watched _all_ of "The 10th Kingdom" between naps (my mom had it taped). Did anyone else watch all of that? Gah. I was pretty unimpressed with the whole thing. It seemed very half-written to me, as if the writers expected people to embrace it on the virtue of it being "fantasy" and didn't bother to develop anything past sketchy eye-candy and fairy tale name-dropping. And a lot of the plot points were only half explained or didn't make sense. I can't believe I watched the _whole_ thing.... The only character that interested me at all was Wolf. I thought the actor playing him brought a great manic and believable personality to him. Everyone else could basically "go suck an elf" for all I cared.
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And was it just me, or was the only reason that chick was named "Virginia" so she could have a funny name when she and Wolf got hitched at the end???
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Rodlox > the song you have/had in your head is "Baby, I'm Yours." (Sorry, can't recall the artist just now.) That song always bugged me, because at one point she says "...[I'm yours] until eternity...." _Until_ eternity? WTF?

Coyote the Bando > <<In fact, that was what attracted me to the movie in the first place, that and the surreal special effects in the movie (that dream sequence with the "gods" in claymation was suitably creepy).>> Yup. :) "Heavenly Creatures" is my second-favorite movie (after "Dr. Strangelove...") for those reasons and more. Such a visual feast. :) Not to mention flawless acting and sensitive writing. "Orson Welles! Absolutely not! The most hideous man alive!!!" lol

Kitainia > I'm glad to know you read my story in Sabledrake, but _please_ don't leave me hanging with no comments! I gather from your post you weren't terribly impressed with it, but all I ask is a little feedback. :) You said, "...I didn't think there was anything too spectacularly good in them. Nothing too spectacularly bad either..." What, in your opinion would have made my story better? What kept it from being, in your opinion, "spectacularly good?" Feedback is important to me; it will help me improve my writing. I don't mean to bug you, but it's driving me nuts knowing you read my story, but said nothing about it. So, indulge me, please. :)

Hope I'm not too late to chime in on that "cartoon crushes" subject. I'm probably the queen. Far too many to list here. I tend to crush easily. ;D Just hitting some of the really serious ones: Tummi from "Gummi Bears" (and Augustus later on, too); Launchpad McQuack from "Ducktales;" Don Karnage from "Tale Spin;" Shipwreck from "G.I. Joe;" Reginald Bushroot from "Darkwing Duck;" Starscream from "Transformers;" and from "Gargoyles" Macbeth and Broadway. Whew, that got lengthy...and it was very abridged. (Actually, if you break down my all my cartoon crushes based on species, you'll find an unusually high percentage of ducks...and no, I never watched "The Mighty Ducks" or "Quack Pack") One thing that upsets me a little about my cartoon crushes is how few of them are female. When I crush, it tends to be based on personality, and a lack of crushworthy female characters denotes, to me, a lack of realistic or developed female personalities in animation. Sad really. The only animated chicks I can think of off the top of my head that I crush on are Belle from Disney's "Beauty & the Beast;" Fox from "Gargoyles;" and Harley Quinn from "Batman TAS." Anyway, I don't think there is anything wrong with having a crush on cartoons, or really any fictional character (be they from books, television, movies, comics, etc.) as long as you don't start to blur the line between fantasy and reality. Sure, I've adored Launchpad since I was in the fourth grade, but that doesn't mean I actually think I'll ever meet him. ;) In fact, I think (though some may disagree) that having a crush on a fictional character is in most cases healthier than a crush on a celebrity, because you get to know characters better. For example, I could crush on, I dunno, Ben Affleck all the live-long day, but what do I really know about him? Only my perception of what he _might_ be like, based on the face he puts forth to the public. Which really doesn't present as much information as a well-written fictional character. So in essense, I know a fictional character better than I'll ever know a real, unapproachable person. And let's face it, the odds of actually meeting and interacting one-on-one with a big celebrity aren't _much_ greater than the odds of meeting someone who doesn't actually exist. ;P

Recent accomplishment that I am dang proud of > I just introduced three of my high-school age, Kid-Rock-worshipping co-workers to the Beatles...and they like 'em! One of them even bought the "blue" album! Whooooo... :D

On the whole "porno" vs. erotica debate > I am a fine arts student and I can tell you right now that this is one of those things with such a blurred line that there is no "right" answer. This, of course, drives everyone nuts. I do a lot of angel inspired artwork. My angels are usually nekkid. Because of this, I've had it called "pornography" and been told by people that they are ashamed to look at it. And, of course, I don't like this, but I don't try to tell these people that they are wrong. Because only they can know what is wrong for themselves. I'd just rather they extend the same respect to me and don't tell me _I_ am wrong for making art the way I do. The fact is, everyone's got their own definition of what "crosses the line." Or, to paraphrase, one person's erotica is another person's porno. Let's be respectful of the rights of others to express themselves as they see fit, ne?

Okay, I think that's about all I have to say tonight. Whew, that's probably the longest post I've ever made in here. Illness makes me long-winded.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:47:02 AM
IP: ctrts1-3.mrs.umn.edu

Sup room.....how we all doing?Scored a 100 on the garg trivia at the gargoyle-fan site......mad easy.CYBERNETICS UNSTOPPABLE<<:Real big magnet...........nuff said!ADULT POSTS<<:Hey in all honesty i do not care one way or the other.I think it is fine and sex is natural and all that junk but.........i think they should be in the adult part.If only for one reason....i do not want to see this site get in any trouble.....i like it here.SHADOWRIDER<<:I was going to say something...........sh!t i forgot damn it all.RPG'S<<:I used to play RIFTS along time ago.....i swear i was addicted or sumthin.FANFIC<<:I just finished my story setup and character bio's and plan to have my story's in the gargoyle-fan archive real soon.I think you will like mine if you r a fan of the following:xtream blood and gore,cursing,gore,sarcasim,crude humor,more gore,vehicles exploding,did i mention gore,Deep confusing plot twists,religion,love,hate,people rioting and other horrible stuff of that nature.{Actualy i am joking it will only have gore......no it has a good story to.....maybe?
Jeremy - [www.hydroholic537@altavista.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 02:12:37 AM
IP: nas-75-199.boston.navinet.net

Jewel> I think we're talking about the same note. Too bad I don't speak string.

Rodlox> Latin: No problem. #2 was taken from Penn & Teller's How to Pay With Your Food as a good chant during a "diabolical" trick, and means "The devil enjoys roast pork." The other I found on a Garg fan site and have since printed out in ~72 point font and posted above my computer: "Whatever is said in latin, appears profound." (eh, so the "profound" is not exact...)

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, March 13, 2000 12:48:06 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Gside: can you please translate that Latin? the first line was Caesar's motto, the second and third didn't make any sense: "(something) latin is spoken, it is seen deep/tall"

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 13, 2000 12:39:39 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Top Something!

Will post more tomorrow.
Doug
Monday, March 13, 2000 12:33:44 AM
IP: pool-207-205-144-14.dlls.grid.net

Gside: 3 ledger lines above the staff in the G-clef. It's, I believe, the second-highest E on a piano, and one octave above the E string on a violin. <g> Translation: This is a high frickin' note.
jewel
Monday, March 13, 2000 12:18:20 AM
IP: atlnb408-41.splitrock.net

It is time for the changing of the mp3. Before was the sun, then twilight, now for night, and a cold one too. Three Dog Night plays Joy to the World. And for Gunjack the only other person to download my mp3s, we have Don MacLean's American Pie and the Muppet Show Theme (Yeah, it's out of order, but Pie is huge, so I had to choose something small).

Green Baron> <<Isn't Gragoyle's Quest about some gargoyle named Firebrand>>: Yep.
Pope: I think the pope just publised an apology today for the church not doing as much as it could to stop persecution through the ages. (dang, Sev. Jr. got to it before me)
SPQR: Senatus Populusque Romani. The senate and people of Rome. Asso porco diabolos gaudet. Quidid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. You know, I find it odd that altus means both high and deep.
<<A bowtie is to me more festive and merry>>: I believe it is rare that a piece of formal attire is labled "merry."
<<cravats are more serious>>: You have not seen my father's collection. (imagine an insanely oversized sequins tie, and that's just the start)

Rodlox> <<i've got that song going through my head..>>: Ear Worm!!! (Apparently that is the actual scientific name for your situation)

You know what, I wish I could hook my laptop into this cable modem. (and I just realized I've been using the wrong city in my info)

Sev. Jr.> <<the seven deadly words>>: Some of them don't sound bad, they sound "like a new snack food: New Nabisco !@$#." (George Carlin)

Toku Kai> <<how much we deserved to be punished for shaving the cat>>: But it needed it, it was so hot...
(and on a related note, let's have a quote: "I never thought I'd use these words but I say them all the time: 'Son, please don't bite the dog.'" (Bill Engval))

Jewel> <<that's God, so chill, and let my Father do His job>>: "In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God... Yes, Father... The Almighty says don't change the subject; just answer the $@#! question." (So, the last part was unnesessary, but it's funny)
<<the E above high C>>: would that be |||||iiQ ? (that's supposed to be the staff followed by two extra lines and a note on a third (also given the sax fingering: 1st two right palm keys + top left palm key))

Boy I qouted a lot in that post.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, March 13, 2000 12:04:54 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Sorry for repeat posts.

Scott: I can certainly accept that we have different definitions of the word judgment. You have a very interesting perspective on it that I think will prove very useful in the future, and I thank you for sharing it.

As for turning your own words against you, it is just one of those things Socrates used to do a lot, but you are right, it can be aggrevating as hell when you are trying to make a point. I'll try to refrain from doing that in the future with you, man. If I start it again, remind me, ok? I don't want to hurt your feelings just because I want a critical discussion about something.
Toku Kaioto
Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:32:47 PM
IP: 1cust194.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Jewel: A great point I personally hold dear.

I also, however, believe in human responsibility, and the obligation of the reason God gave us with which to make decisions. If we don't use the tools of reason to hone and sharpen our understandings, if we do not seek to learn through the exchange of ideas with others, and if we neglect the duty of reflection upon ourselves, then we fail our trust to make the best choices we can.

If we choose our own ignorance, can we truly use it as a good defense for our actions?

I don't believe it makes a Very good excuse, no. That is why I believe rational discussion, argument, and logical criticism are the cornerstone for human growth as well as an obligation of honor. That is why I have discussions with people and respond to their ideas and present my reasoning to other people, in order to learn and promote learning.

I'm certainly grateful for the diverse and enlightening flow of ideas though this Comment Room, which is why I visit it and participate in it so often. All of you have contributed much to my growth as an individual on intellectual, emotional, and spiritual levels, and I will always be grateful to all of you for the experiences.

Have a good night, everyone.
Toku Kaioto
Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:26:18 PM
IP: 1cust194.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

<g> Sorry for the double post, but this forward I *had* to share:

>> The classically-minded among us may have noted a TV ad
>> for Microsoft's Internet Explorer e-mail program, which
>> uses the musical theme of the "Confutatis Maledictis"
>> from Mozart's Requiem. "Where do you want
>> to go today?" is the cheery line on the screen.
>> Meanwhile, the chorus sings "Confutatis maledictis,
>> flammis acribus addictis," which translates to "The
>> damned and accursed are convicted to the flames of
>> hell."
>> Good to know that Microsoft has done its research.
jewel
Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:25:48 PM
IP: atlnb408-41.splitrock.net

Toku Kaioto > "I'll turn your question back on you, because relativism always turns around to bite you in the back. 'Who are You to judge them?'"

Under your definition of "judgment," you can turn everything I say around on me to bite me in the back.

Under mine, you can't.

What you perceive as judging is not how I perceive it, and vice versa.

Whenever someone makes a decision of any kind, he/she is making a "judgment call." There's a difference between *using* judgment and *passing* it. I can *use* judgment to form opinions. That's fine, because it doesn't really affect anyone but me. But when you *pass* judgment, you're placing your opinions above someone else's.

That said, how is saying, "I don't like those kinds of people" an act of passing judgment? I'm not condemning them, I'm not saying they're inferior. I'm only expressing an opinion. More importantly, I'm not saying that I'm *right* to not like them. Frankly, I could be dead *wrong*. I can admit to this, because I *know* it's just an opinion, and opinions can change on the drop of a hat.

...

Okay, let's just end the conversation right there. It's obvious we've got differing viewpoints. I only replied because you went and tried to use my own words to undermine my argument... and I *hate* that!


Scott, The Diet Coke of Evil - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:25:15 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

Banderas in the movie: just my opinion, but i think there was a good on-screen relationship between him and that woman in _THE_THIRTEENTH_WARRIOR_. bring her in for that Phantom movie. {and i mean the norse woman, not the wife of the man who got him banished}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:14:34 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Jewel: actually, i was refering to {examples}: Koz&Demona, Koz's boss & Castaway, Bluestone & his girlfriend, etc.


Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:11:59 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Toku Kaioto, the "CR Sage": Here's a continuation of that quote for you: "Opinions are like a--holes and everybody's got one...There's only one true judge, and that's God, so chill, and let my Father do His job." And that's all I'm going to say on the subject *here*.

Politics: Dear Lord in Heaven...this race makes me want to cry. I'm ready to write in Xena, Warrior Princess come November, rather than vote for either the woodstump or the cokehead. Bleh... Xena for Prez!

Phantom: there's no way they could cast Madonna--she simply couldn't sing it. There's no way she could hit the E above high C at the end of the song, "The Phantom of the Opera." Heck, she couldn't even hit the B-flat, let alone the high C's in it. I still say they need to cast real opera singers in some of these roles...I personally would *love* them to cast Placido Domingo or Jose Cura as Phantom if they didn't cast Banderas. I have no idea who I'd want as Christine. I honestly can't think of *anyone* who could hit those notes and bring in a crowd except...<swallows in horror and covers eyes> Mariah Carey. Distubring as it is, the girl's got the notes and, more importantly, the operatic training (her mom's an opera singer). <whimper>

SJ: <embaressed grin> Thanks muchly for the compliment. It still shocks me, though, when people say I draw well.
jewel
Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:11:41 PM
IP: atlnb408-41.splitrock.net

Scott, the Diet Coke of Evil:

<<I think you've mistaken passing judgment with having an opinion. You see, the major difference is that a "judgment" is permanent, and "opinions" can change. Frankly, it's more important to have opinions, because then you are left with the ability to change your mind and adapt to new information. Judgments are inflexible. Once you make them, you can't change them.>>

I have to say that I disagree with your definition of opinions and judgments. There is an old saying, "Opinions are like @$$-holes …"

Judgment is also Not Necessarily a permanent thing, it is simply more meaningful than a simple opinion. It is also something that has both a Continuous AND a temporally Permanent state:

You can't change a judgment you made in the past, but you can re-judge something in retrospect at any time of your life. A judgment aligns something distinctly and concretely in our values system while an opinion is generally a lot more loose and undefined. I know I try to reflect and mull over a judgment a lot, constantly reevaluating and adding to my knowledge of a situation as I move through life. I do, however, spill out opinions over breakfast without much more than half a thought.

You can never take back the act of judgment, just like any other act (unless you've got one VERY cool time machine and a set of orbital mind-control lasers), but you can certainly make a new judgment to override the old one. As a child we judge being sent to our rooms as unfair almost all the time. In retrospect, we realize just how much we deserved to be punished for shaving the cat …

But how would we ever reach that new judgment without criticism?

<<There's also this side of passing judgment: When you do so, you place yourself higher than the people being judged. You assume you know what's right, and others don't. You become closed-minded and holier-than-thou.>>

"Holier than thou" is an attitude, not an absolute. It is a matter of approaching people in a manner of communication rather than condescension. People who correct others are often condescending, yes, but more often we project extra condescension onto their demeanor because we ourselves (those being corrected) have insecurity issues.

The simple fact is, most people don't like to be told they are wrong. We like to have our close-minded little world-views held as sacred and untouchable. Anyone who causes a conflict with our world-view is perceived as a deviant or an enemy. They are vilified and reviled, not because of anything they have objectively done wrong, but because they deny us the bliss of our own self-righteousness. It is a part of human nature we'd do well to eschew a bit more than we do. Aversion to criticism (both internal and external) inhibits growth.

Magellan wouldn't Have to be "holier than thou" to go over to the Flat Earthers and tell them they were outright wrong. He sailed around the world and knew perfectly well it wasn't flat. He could produce charts and maps and calculations and all manner of science and logic to prove his point. There need be nothing "arrogant" about telling people they are wrong or criticizing their actions and beliefs. Even the humblest man who tells someone that they are wrong is going to be perceived in some extent to be acting "holier than thou."

However, many people might fall victim to the sin of pride and take up such a stance in order to make themselves feel all high and mighty.

"Holier than thou" (in my mind) is when you hold up a set of standards or rules to others, and then you decide that you are above those rules. "Holier than thou" is criticizing everyone else and then holding yourself above criticism.

Actually, I find that "holier than thou" is holding yourself above criticism period, because you criticize others decision to criticize you and yours.

The trick to criticism is that when properly applied, you should most often offer constructive criticism and also be Receptive to criticism to improve yourself as well.

It takes a decisive judgment of a person or his/her opinion to decide that they have a superiority complex. To do so is to violate the fundamental principle of our own relativism. So when we decide that someone is being "holier than thou," we are committing the same crime against our relativist values as the person we condemn. Relativism permits No absolutes, which is why it is useless as a purist foundation of a logical system of reasoning.

You don't have to agree with criticism, but many times it could certainly do us some good to listen to it with a bit more open ears.

Myself, I try my hardest not to judge people's inner selves and persons and souls or whatnot. I judge actions and ideas to the best of my ability when I can or have to, but try not to judge people. It goes against my religious, spiritual, and ethical values to judge people.

HOWEVER, not everyone shares that value of "Judge not, lest ye be judged." I can't take away other people's right to have a set of values that lets them judge other people. It is a FREE country. I may judge those values as incorrect, but I can't keep someone from having them. It would be a travesty to my own ethics as well as Very illegal to start forcibly changing people's minds with chemicals, brainwashing, and torture. I can debate and discuss and persuade … but only so long as the other person chooses to participate. Then the line is drawn, and it is over.

<< Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't really like those kinds of people that much.>>

I'll turn your question back on you, because relativism always turns around to bite you in the back. "Who are You to judge them?"

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:59:30 PM
IP: 1cust194.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Well, I'm back! Never really left, technically. It's just that my life is very, very hectic and displaced right now. But I'm here tonight, and on with the comments!

The Most Recent Controversy: I'm late to this little scandal, so let me say my piece: Shadowrider, you should not leave. It was an honest mistake on your behalf. There are those who do not know that the room is PG (like you), and there are those that know it's PG and wish it wasn't (like me). Your remarks were a little....personal, perhaps, but nothing to leave the CR for. Don't worry, all is forgiven.
Personally, I don't get what all the commotion was about. So he didn't know it was PG and he said a couple things that could be considered off color. Hell, in this day and age, there are probably 8 yr. olds who know exactly what he was talking about. Still, this isn't anywhere near as inflammatory as even that abortion debate a couple weeks ago. I must admitt, like Jewel, I'm somewhat repressed in some areas, and I gotta say that I do like my repression to an extent. But I certainly wasn't offended by Shadowrider's comments.

As for Pistoff's remarks.....PLEASE. Let's all just take a step back and recognize for a minute. I'm with Pistoff on this one. I don't claim to be against pornography, cause I'm a heterosexual male, and I'd be lying if I said that I've never seen a naked breast in a movie or magazine. But what the hell is up with this prestige that goes with erotica? In my book (and here we go with that pesky personal opinion), the only difference between "erotic" writing and down and out pornography is the vocabulary used. Example:
Erotica: "He gently took her into his embrace, and they made sweet love amidst the fragrant rose petals of the secret garden."
Porno: "He f***ed her until her head fell off."
It's the same damn thing. Only the wording is different, and erotica is called art while Larry Flynt is a called a scumbag. Hey, I think he IS a scumbag...but I'm with Pistoff in saying that we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking just cause we dance around the seven deadly words in our erotic writings, instead of using them, that it's "art" and not smut. Forget the technical definition of pornography or obscenity; most times the government can't get its head out of its ass long enough to decide what should and should not be censored. I'm just saying that, no matter how many pretty words you stick in there to describe the coital act itself, if you're talking about sex, it doesn't matter if it's hard or soft core, you're still talking about sex. Either all of it's art, or all of it's smut. Take your pic, but I don't see where a distinction should be made.

Nereus Project: I have no idea what this is, but it sounds wonderfully evil. What is it, and how can I join? If mischief is to be done, I want in! ;)

Phantom of the Opera: I'm with Jewel--I'd like to see Antonio as the Phantom. Regardless of my criticism of his accent, I do like him and think he is a talented actor. And I have heard him sing before, and I think he has a nice voice. I'd cringe if Madonna was cast, though. She should stick to belting out pop singles, not trying to act.

Political Stuff: Well, sad to see McCain drop out of the race. I have to think his remarks against the Religious Right hurt him. It's a real shame too--we in here have been coming out against the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell for months, and yet when McCain suggests that we shake loose the stranglehold these guys have on partisan politics, it hurts him in the long run. Oh well. Bush vs. Gore....jeez, I never thought I'd say this, but Trump for President suddenly became a little more enticing...

Green Baron: I was wondering, in light of all the recent pope talk, what you thought about the Pope issuing a formal apology for the years of persecution done by the church. No doubt many Catholics may think it unnecessary, but I for one think it is a very nice move on his part. It may not make up for past sins, but it is a very nice call for forgiveness, and it impresses me that he would make such an apology.

Jewel: You shouldn't be so surprised that someone complimented your artwork. I, for one, think you are very talented. :) I only wish I was as good as you. Even my stick figures look slightly deformed! ;)

***X-FILES SPOILERS****
Not a bad episode tonight. A rather unique use of voodoo dolls, and at least the humor was kept to a minimum. But maybe I just liked this episode cause it had B-movie star Billy Drago as the bad guy! Ah, Billy Drago.....if you don't know who he is, here's his bio: he's been in about a zillion and one b-movie/cable movie/made for video movies, and in virtually everyone he's a villain. Some of his best work was in Delta Force 2, Cyborg 2 (he gets a lot of cheesy sequels), and of course, his best work was as the sleezy gangster who gets tossed off the roof by Kevin Costner in "The Untouchables". Cool to see him as a hillbilly shaman!
***END SPOILERS****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:48:40 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Whoa. Early wiping.

GB: I think Antonio'd actually be a better *Sancho* than Quixote, but that may just be me. Is it going to be a movie or a remake of the musical? (Hopefully, the musical...somethign better than that PoS movie with Sophia Loren--the woman can act, but she couldn't sing for s--t.)
heh--I'll e-mail you soon; e-mails just tend to get lost in my inbox rather easily...
biblebelt--My family's original from Bumblef--k, VA in an area so poor there are still tin roofs and you drive through fields of tobacco, and Grandma Taylor picks tobacco ever year for extra money. And this place is *uber*-Southern Baptist. I may not have grown up there, but Mom still has the mindset of rural-Southern Baptists about some things...

Rodlox: I know what you were talking about. But attitudes about violence and attitudes about sex are not the same thing, no matter how much American culture eroticizes violence.

Shadowrider: A little Barenaked Ladies for you... "Who needs sleep, never gonna get it! Who needs sleep? Oh what's that for? Who needs sleep? Might as well forget it..."


jewel
Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:30:31 PM
IP: atlnb408-41.splitrock.net

Hey! Wiping the CR during the Sopranos ... that's dirty pool! Oh well ... *skulks off to crunch some more html*
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:00:19 PM
IP: 1cust171.tnt3.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

EARLY POSTING!!!

{last week, i was one of the Top Ten...i didn't see anything special about it}.

ps: now i've got that song going through my head.."i'll be yours untill the sun doesn't shine, till time stands still; untill the -" anybody know it?? Help Me!

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:51:50 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Top ten?

:: peeking back at the last weeks comment room ::

Gosh, I didn't realize releasing my new fic would cause such an uproar. I know Christine and Christi have both posted in here when they've released fics with similar content, so I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. Especially since so few people seem to read that other comment room.

I don't force people to read my stories, and I've got no problem with anyone who doesn't like those kind of fics for whatever reason. I'll respect your opinions, but I will ask the same in return. That means don't insult me, tell me I'm sick or my writing is "garbage", or try to convert me to your viewpoint. Don't do that to me and I won't do it to you. k?

Anyway... I've been getting a lot of e-mail, and if anyone wants to make any further comments or continue the discussions that were already started, I'll be happy to do so over in the adult CR. (BTW, I think all the old sign in passwords got lost when they updated... mine wouldn't work, either, and I had to create a new one last week.)

Also, if anyone wants to read the story and can't get the fanfic server to work right, just leave a note in my e-mail and I'll see if I can find another way to get you a copy.

And that will be the last I say about the story in here.

:: heads off to answer e-mails ::
Madame Destine - [m_destine@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:44:21 PM
IP: 98cdf3dc.ipt.aol.com

Top Ten!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:38:53 PM
IP: spider-ti072.proxy.aol.com

Eighth!!!!!!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:37:07 PM
IP: dialin-1135-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*runs in to make the Top Ten* yippeee!

*locks arms and runs back out*
Denis and Jannie
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:35:20 PM
IP: 216-90-185-193.hou.port.mytelco.com

Sixth!!Meow!!
**nuzzles Kitainia**

Reverned Attila - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:33:12 PM
IP: 141.164.77.196

Fifth!!!!!

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:32:20 PM
IP: 141.164.77.196

*Rolls into the CR*Wow top ten. yippee.
I am soooo glad the fencing season is over (for me, i didn't qualify to championships). Now I have time to relax and do my homework. Ick

Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:26:41 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Top ten!

Fire Storm: That's what I get when I type out my @$$. I meant 2002.
And Cyrway is co-chair of the Maine group ... we have a deal, I back the Maine bid if she backs a Detroit bid. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:26:18 PM
IP: zzz-209252248080.splitrock.net

Robby, you're just plain cruel. Top Ten!!¡¡
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:25:27 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net

Thanks to everyone for giving me a second chance. I promise I'll be more careful in future!

And, by the way...

TOP TEN! FINALLY!! YEAH!!!

<Dances in the room>

Well, in Italy it's 4.00 AM and I got lesson at 9.00 AM, so I'll be better go to sleep.
Goodbye.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:24:25 PM
IP: h255-20-19.mi2.albacom.net

"Discussion": I am wisely staying out of it, even though I am one of the ones who caused it.

Toku Kaioto: <I’ll try to lean into Gorebash about getting that rules page set up>
Truth be told, it is up. The page is made, and has been up for the past 2 months or so. No links were posted to it mainly because the links that page has concern a updated CR Lady Mystic and myself created. Nothing major, just use of all of the available CR pics. Thats why Robby's CR Administrator pic is there (and it looks funny because the dimensions of that pic are different than that of the previous pic)

Coyote: <Okay guys, who's up for a 2001 bid?>
Too late for 2001. The applications needed to be in by March 1, 2000.
Did Cyrway help with a previous gathering?

FIRST!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:24:14 PM
IP: t2-21.visitus.net

(To take the Toonami approach where they just show a bunch of random clips from throughtout the season...)
***

"Will you never stop getting me into trouble?"

***

"Where are you? Where have you been?"

***

"YOU MUST DIE!"

***

"Would ya believe it?"

***

Brooklyn narrowed his eyes. "No, it couldn't be... Not here..."

***

TIMEDANCER SEASON THREE
3.23.00
ONLY AT TGS.
Robby
Sunday, March 12, 2000 09:23:44 PM
IP: spider-wa053.proxy.aol.com