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I wish that there was more to the Gargoyles saga! Just one more espxoed if you know what I mean it such a chif-hanger.Is there anyone out there that feels the same email me
Elisagirl - [Elisagirl2000@go.com]
AK, US
Sunday, April 2, 2000 08:21:21 PM
IP: dialups-30.kodiak.ptialaska.net

**Mandi emerges from frantic paper writing**

Happy birthday, Anne!

**Mandi goes back to frantically trying to get two more pages written before 7.**
Mandolin
Sunday, April 2, 2000 06:25:33 PM
IP: 144.175.20.114

*walks in with a stiff neck*

Man I'm tired. My roommate and I walked through the entire DMA yesterday and caught a great exibit of "From Degas to Picasso" Pretty cool although the audio tour's a bit cheesy.
Warpmind- I loved the Rules of Adventure. Have you ever read any of the Wing Commander books? (Don't count that shameful excuse for a movie.) Most of them are by William R. Forester and they're great. You could add a reference that if a seven foot cat starts to smile at you that it's time to run away.
-Personal Opinion Warning-
Well I wasn't going to discuss the issue about people leaving, but it seems as if some people are unsure of their place among the fandom. The truth has already been said. Things change, disasters, marage, total relocation, etc. It's sad when someone goes away, but that does not mean it's the end of the world. As a dedicated fan you have the ability to spark the intrest of those who are not involved. I myself have always been a Gargoyles fan from when the show was released and after it's cancelation my voice became silenced. It was only a year ago that I was doing a research paper on real stone gargoyles that I cam across the links to TGS and several other sites. I guess what I'm babbling about is that there are probably still people out there who loved the show and science fiction like you and me, but they just don't know it's here. It really just breaks down to dedication and support. As we get older we have the power to inspire those younger to keep not only this story but anything that you believe in alive.
-End Personal Opinion-
Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
Sunday, April 2, 2000 06:20:53 PM
IP: spider-tr031.proxy.aol.com

RP WARNING!!!
**Battle scene between Darth Schumer and Charleton Heston
Heston takes out his shotgun than transforms into a lightsaber, while Darth Schumer takes out his lightsabre, and they start their duel. It goes on until, Heston strikes Schumer's left hand off.
"Take that putzhead!"
"That won't get you elected in New York, you gun nut. I may have one hand, but that won't be enough."
Heston smiles at his mistake, "er..I mean, ah you schmuck"
At that moment, Heston's sabre takes off Darth Shumer's head and helmet, though with the clean cut, there's nothing too gory. Unfortunately, the Bob Jones van has left a long time ago, so Heston can't pursue. He instead decides to return to Wyoming and practice his shooting.

Meanwhile in New York, Governor Pataki is in an interesting state. The GOP Senate candidate is dead and he now hears about the death of a sitting Senator. He decides to look for two Senate candidates, while he looks for an appointee for Schumer's seat.**
END RP for NOW!!!

Happy Birthday Anne.

Aaron> Even more evil than an SUV? :)

David G> I never played Palladium. Have you ever played the Original D&D?

Todd (or is it Merlin :))> I knew that Gunther and Gertrune were actual tribal chiefs during Attila's time, but I didn't know that part. I wouldn't make Attila immune to the destruction. He had a good sized body count, but I also beleive he was a wise ruler. He united a mercenary people into one nation and he even built a capital, Etzelnberg (now Budapesth) and I admire how he woudl sack villages, but usually spare the churches, and how it was a Bishop who could persuade him to spare the town, and in fact, Pope St, Leo I was the one who convinced him to spare Rome. I imagine he may have been more superstitous than spiritual, but I find him inetresting. As far as barbarians go, he was a pretty good guy. Nowadays, he'd probably be just like Jack Kemp :)

Jenna> Good. I thought you were somewhere.

Rodlox> Never heard of a rodlox watch? They look like rolexes, but are only a fraction of the price :)

Niamhgold> I'd like to get my MBA in Finance. My life appears mapped out, but it's always easy to plan ahead like that on paper. Let's see if it stays that easily mapped out :)

Christine> LOL!!! That's an interesting way to consider it. I didn't quite go there, yet. I loved your answer to why Hyena is smiling :)

Spacebabie> I'm 2% bastard, 12% of which is tard.
11% ass :)
I will be worth 1 million when I'm 44.
Sex Test> 4 people, and first time at age 25 in a hotel room. I think not!!
62% Unintelligent
I die on March 19, 2064
79% pure. I took one that gave me 84%. I guess taht amkes me boring :)

Sevarius Jr.> I'm glad Gore is on our side, but I know he's doing it for personal gain. This is Gore after all :) I also despise that jerk Greg Craig. Him being invovled inspired adding this to RP.

BTW, Al Gore has a time machine and he invented Buddhism :)

SOROW> I love you tow, sis ::hugs, kisses, other:: Well, not too much like a sister :)

Kiatainia>

<<and some things in LT definitely deserve to be censored (the Japanese-bashing episode for example), but not the things that made it great comedy like the gun bits. >>
I take it you want Dumbo censored too. I don't remember the Japanese bit.

You're too generous. I would make myself Lawful Neutral with Evil Tendencies, actually. Then again, I am critical of myself. I once made myself as a Ravenloft Darklord, but I lost the info.

I think Attila would more likely seek to unite than divide. He's a cruel, ruthless barabrian mroe so becauseof his upbringing. Now, I think Emperor Caligula is evil,a nd so is Nero.

Shadowrider> have you ever played teh Original D&D with the Gazetters. I loved that game world.

Bengali> Actually, I was just being obnoxious and sill with that comment. It's part of my lawful neutral/evil humor ;)

Ironowlf> I am sorry to hear about your grandfather. Mine died three years ago, almost.

Patrick Toman> <<Julius Ceasar, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin >> Caesar and Napoleon I'd leave out, but I'd add in Huey P. Long, Oliver Cromwell, John Calvin, Caligula, LBJ, and Bill Clinton.

SJ> I read that book. In fact I own it. I liek a lot of thsoe ideas and I think Attila would be a differnet character today. I'd invest in hsi company's stock, though.

I'm off to Fraternity meeting. Bye Bye
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, April 2, 2000 05:38:38 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

*Warpmind enters, yawning a little.*
Hi, guys. I'm kinda worked out right now... packed and ready to leave my folks' place to return to school again...

Ironwolf: My condolences.

Stormy: My, that car sounds... well, I'm not too sure, but do you by any chance call it "Christine"? ;)

Christine: Good to see the new issue of Sabledrake Magazine is out. I'm tellin' ya, when I saw the cover, I was laughing various body part off for well over 5 minutes. :) And the movie title list was utterly priceless. :)

Gside: Compadre, no need for such exaggerated apologies. Believe you me, I *did* have a little creativity demon for a scene involving Manxine, Lexington, Angela and Broadway... but, for quite obvious reasons, I chickened out. ;) But, your misunderstanding is, albeit perhaps a bit extreme, quite understandable. Especially if you haven't read my entire series; Manxine was quite a shady character early on (no connection to shadow warriors), but I'm beginning to get a firm grasp of her now. Um... that didn't quite come out the way... uh, I better shut up now. ;)
Apology accepted, friend. :)

**RP**
Warpmind looks around in his quarters, and, satisfied nobody else is there, sits down with the scroll. He swiftly sets up a powerful transmitter with audiovisual capacity, and contacts the Illuminati. A short debate later (for which none here are cleared), Warpmind scribbles down an answer on the scroll.

"The Illuminati are currently running the world's politics. The obvious struggles are merely on the surface; we are performing quite a lot of sociological experiments, culminating sometime next century. However, a far worse struggle is predicted for the quite near future: while the Illuminati control humanity by having threads to pull from the gutters to top politics, there are forces we do not yet control. Our present problem is the threat extraplanar invasions; namely the final battle between angels and demons. Our biggest unknown is currently the gargoyle and fey species; it is deduced that should Amageddon occur, they will be on humanity's side.
At present, we are dealing with the threat of infernal invasion; we do not know precisely from where, or in what form it will appear. Any assistance from you in repelling this invasion would be appreciated.

(Sign.)
Warpmind de InzanE
Freelance Illuminatus"

Warpmind looks around for the courier who will take the message, and seals the scroll again.
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, April 2, 2000 02:40:58 PM
IP: mp-216-237-198.daxnet.no

I just finished reading George Carlin's latest book (entitled "Brain Droppings")... there was one particular section on tired out, overused (and often incorrect) euphemisms and expressions that really hit me... so much so that I'm going to consciously try to avoid using them from now on.

And now my two cents - as carried over from the S8 room - on the latest perceived crisis in the fandom.

First, the main point I've been making all along. It's one thing to sit around on your bum all day and ask for change. It's quite another thing entirely to take intiative and put words into action. So far, nothing about this "debate" has impressed me because there's been no indication that anything is ever going to come of it other than just more talk. Beyond that, I agree with Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury's comments over at S8 (link below) on the need and problems associated with creating more and more "specialized" forums.

Second, cliques themselves aren't the problem, IMO. The problem is the pack mentality many of them seem to develop after a short while. Kill or be killed, us vs. them - that's not the way we should function in a fandom as small as ours (and yes, this fandom is small). It's fine to have a circle of close friends, whether it's from geography or just common online interests. It's only when the feelings of superiority and might makes right kick in that the fueds begin and the flame wars really heat up.

Third, it's only going to be natural that interest starts to wane among older (that is, those who've been aroung the longest) members of any fan base where there's nothing new coming out. It happened here in Cleveland with football, too - after three years with no team, many people I know couldn't have cared less when the Browns returned - so it's not just limitted to sci-fi/fantasy fandoms.

Outside of the fandom, life goes on. People graduate, get "real" jobs, get married. Many of us don't have the time to be as intimately involved in the day-to-day as we once were. Lack of time was why I had to retire from TGS. And I haven't watched an actual episode start to finish from my collection of tapes in well over a year and a half now. And when I chime in on a episode-related debate in the CRs, I rarely am as longwinded and fervent as I used to be back in late 1996 when I first got net access and stumbled upon S8. I stay involved where I can (dabbling in fic, helping with cons), and still maintain a love for the show, but I know I'll never recapture the level of fanaticism I had at the beginning.

As long as there are new fans joining the fandom, though, that's OK. It keeps the fandom fresh and constantly evolving. Because when it starts stagnating and you stop seeing new faces, that's when we know it's _really_ in trouble.

:: looks back over everything :: Well, that was more like two dollars than two cents... but there you go. Just don't forget to give Uncle Sam his cut in two weeks. :P
Patrick Toman
Sunday, April 2, 2000 11:33:25 AM
IP: 98adc1f3.ipt.aol.com

Katara {sorry if i misspelledd}: fighting the bunnies? _plural_?? you have my sympathies as well!! reason:

the vicious rrabbitt in Holy Grail {by Monty Python}....

FIC IDEA: A(u)rthur and Griff &co go in search of the Holy Grail of Monty Python....including Bridge of Death, Tim, Knights, Shrubberies, and the rrabbitt.

::)

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Sunday, April 2, 2000 04:16:17 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Bright Green (the most obnoxious shade of green ever contemplated)

I have a couple apologies to make, but I'll get to them in order.

Sev. Jr.> <<Cid VII was the coolest>>: Being a complete geek/nerd/techie, I rather like #5 (not Johnny, but he's fun too). That reminds me, I really need to find a Mid-type position (intern).

Toku Kai> <<Les’se Faire (I can’t spell tonight)>>: Do you mean laissez faire? Random note: translates as "allow to do, y'all." Dang ten years of French...

Apology #1 (the more minor one):
Shadowrider> <<You're right, you explained it before, I had missed it. Sorry.>>: Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. I was actually referring to the explanation Netscape destroyed befor I could finish posting. My apologies for being obfuscatory.

Wilek> <<occasionally throw such fundamental physics principles as Newton's (or was it Einstein's?) cause and effect edicts right out the window>>: Newton said every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and an object in motion requires a retarding force to stop (with some nice bowling analogies). Einstein said that what happens depends on from where you see it.
<<Biggs and Wedge are their tribute to Star Wars>>: So where did Piette come from?
<<That skyship of [Cid VII] is among the kewlest vehicles ever devised>>: I have a taste for the classics: V (standard ship body, three plane movement (air, sea, undersea)). But then, I still have to get Cid VII (just got the buggy, and trying to get some Mithril).

Right, time for the big apology:
Warpmind> Manxine: I am very sorry for making such extreme (unsound) logical jumps. My mind has been irreversably contaminated for me to make create an obscenely (and obscene) idea. I would like to say that I never remotely questioned her faithfulness and loyalty. I just saw an opportunity for a bizzare plot twist for which there was no reasonable justification. I am truly sorry for quetioning your universe in such an extreme way, it was a mistake I should not have made, and I apologize.
(though I do wish I had a better thesaurus, there weren't enough synonyms to make an appropriately profuse apology)

Ironwolf> You have my condolences.

Raondom note: I seem to remember hearing that April fools' was derived from pranking those who still celebrated New Year's in April after a Papal edict,or somesuch.

Niamhgold> <>: Not VI? That's the peak of the old-school FFs. I do recommend it (I like Locke, even though he isn't that useful a party member: it's all about the bandana)
<<Bauhamut's name tends to pop up here and there>>: As well as the three: Ramuh, Ifrit, and Shiva.

Scott, tDCoE> foundations: As one of the newer residents here, I feel I can do nothing to aid the strenghtening of the fandom, save for being as civil as I can (including apologizing as much as I can when I have upset others), while supporting, as meagerly as I can, the efforts of those who are the true hearts of the fandom (artists and authors generally, for this fandom is extrememly dependant on creativity (plus the rare techie Gorebash), of which I have already depleted my life's allotment when I entered here).

Toku Kai> Iron Chef: Hoo yah. That's some good stuff. There are acutally three Iron Chefs (French, Japanese, and Chinese), And they have it dubbed on the Food Network. I'm in a crisis here, I don't know who's better: Emeril or the Iron Chef.
<<the way in which the cooks and staff function to prepare them is even more amazing>>: Like using twelve whole lobsters (or so) to cook asparagus, wihthout serving one bit of lobster?

Katara> bunnies: I was having flashbacks to Cali`ope/Alex Destine/Elisa in the vanilla CR.

Let's see, I neet to change the mp3... Last time, we found out that life was a carnival, now we find that it's in Venice. By a group you have never heard of (and probably never should have), the Brookdale Symphonic Band, I present The Carnival of Venice.
Let me apologize once more, I should have found a version at mp3.com, but I have played with this community band in the past, and my mother is playing with them in this recording. The sound quality is not very good as it was recorded at the commencement ceremony of the county college from which it derives its name and funding. Once again I apologize for any trauma I may induce.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Sunday, April 2, 2000 03:42:56 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Opps...sorry for double post and typo folks.. meant to say DUST BUNNIES...lol
Katara
Sunday, April 2, 2000 03:41:03 AM
IP: 98aaeae6.ipt.aol.com

**stumbles wearily into the CR, looking the worse for wear after waging a day long battle against the bunnies. It was a hard fought battle, yet I barely managed to emerge victorious**

Hi all, not much time to post, as I'm barely keeping my eyes open at this point. Just wanted to remind everyone to re-set their clocks tonight before bed. Don't want anyone to be late for work tomorrow. **groans loudly because she's one of the "lucky" slobs that starts their work week on Sundays**

**wearily stumbles off in the direction of the shower and a bed**
Katara - [Katara_O@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Sunday, April 2, 2000 03:35:56 AM
IP: 98aaeae6.ipt.aol.com

Just a quick post-

Wilek><> quiet, don't tell anyone. ;P

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Sunday, April 2, 2000 01:43:01 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

You know, of all things that was on when visiting my mother and father this weekend, the Home and Garden Televisions Channel (HGTV) was on. Normally, this would frighten me away rather quickly … but a passing observation of frantic Japanese cooks and assistants assembling dishes with a time clock grasped my attention.

The show was called, “Iron Chef” and I’m wondering if anyone else has seen it.

The premise of the show, from what I gather, is that the show’s own Iron Chef and his staff are challenged each episode by a master chef and his staff to a competition. They both come into the event blind, with no idea what is going to be cooked, and the host gives them a particular type of theme or foodstuff to be at the center of a several (5 or 6) course meal.

Here’s the catch: You’ve got one hour.

It is 1 part game-show, 2 parts cooking show, 1 part Olympic sporting event.

At the end of time, completed dishes are served to a panel of judges from various walks, food critics, businessmen, actors, journalists, etc.

The dishes are incredible, but the way in which the cooks and staff function to prepare them is even more amazing. This is the only cooking show I’ve ever been able to sit through the entire way.

Plus, its JAPANESE!!! *goes and takes his anime-craving suppressant pills*

Anyway … on to other issues.

Regarding the fandom:

I disagree with Scott and SJ’s assessment of things to a certain extent.

I think that the reason why some fandoms live and other fandoms die is in fact primarily the amount of new blood that can be pumped into the system. Fandoms grow when things are new and exciting to people. When nothing new is being produced, the fandom only grows from those people to whom the old content is new. Older fans only subsist on the scraps of fan-fiction, questions and theory, and off-topic discussion.

The Gargoyles fandom, however, has sources of new blood.

First off, we have “Ask Greg,” which is a completely amazing thing compared to other fandoms. I mean, I wonder how likely “Ask Gene” would’ve been for Star Trek, even before Roddenbery died.

Second, we have One major convention a year in America and one in Europe. For the attendants and the huge web of the attendant’s fans, these are the events of the year. They are a common reference so many people can communicate that they solidify the fandom in the way that scattered and sporadic Star Trek conventions can only solidify regional or local part of the greater fandom. It isn’t that the spread out conventions are BAD, but having a central convention has its advantages to unification.

Of course, the bad side of this is that so many in the fandom can’t make it to the Gathering each year. I know myself, G2K will be my first real chance to go. Still, even when I couldn’t go, the Gathering was a big centralizing event for me last year because a lot of my friends went there and came back with stories and pictures and everything … and they were from Everywhere. Wisconsin, Michigan, California, Florida, Oklahoma, etc. etc. etc. My local Massachusetts Star Trek convention just doesn’t have the same effect with the California fandom.

Thirdly, we have TGS, and on-going fan-fiction collaboration of many writers and artists. Surely, while writing fan-fiction by committee can be an arduous task, and sometimes hard to survive socially, the results have been worth the effort. The new episodes of various serials are generally eagerly anticipated by old and new members of the fandom alike. They spark discussion and are a grate source of new blood to the fandom.

As long as we continue to pump new blood for both old and new fans, I believe there will be something here for a long time.

The other aspect of new blood is that new people will join the fandom. This is important because some of us (believe it or not) Do grow out of the fandom at some point. We get new jobs, get married, or start/finish college and sometimes our entire lives and interests suffer a shift. For that reason, the inflow of people young to and eager for the fandom is vital to continued health.

As for cliques, I think we tread on dangerous ground when we decide that:

“We need to ‘Do something’ about cliques.”

First off, it creates an “us-vs.-them” mentality that inherently seeks to create a new clique … the “We-hate-cliques”-clique.

Secondly, it presumes a bit too much for my tastes. I’m sorry, but who has the right to decide that people need to stop functioning as cliques? I mean, come on, we can have rules about how we communicate to a certain extent, but we can’t go around telling people who they have to like or dislike.

If people want to gel into little exclusive circles and function as some sort of Borg-collective, it is their right. It doesn’t work for me personally, but I hardly have the right to tell other people how to run their social lives.

If people want to form these crazy alliances, and hate perfect strangers just because their clique-buddy hates them, that’s their own ignorant decision and loss. Sure, it may shut me out of some places and that sucks, but I can’t demand to people to be my friends and let me in on everything they do. If people want to go everywhere like they are joined at the hip, share a common voice all the time, agree on everything as a matter of principle, and use the weight of their collective to reach common goals, whatever. I can’t stop people from reiterating each other’s points, or frequenting the same rooms, or coming and leaving together. That’s their right.

About the only thing I can do is complain about what a particular person or group of people has done. If a clique constantly does one thing or another, I can have an opinion about their actions … But that still doesn’t I have a right to demand them to not function as a social collective.

I don't have a clique myself; I'm a drifter. I have my Lexy-chan, and friends spattered all over the geography of this fandom. Some, I think, do belong to cliques themselves, but I don't think I've ever "fit in" of "belonged" anywhere in particular in my life outside of my family (we're all insane) and my dorm mates (that sanity thing again). *shrugs* I've noticed that this wandering existence of mine has advantages and disadvantages for me, but I can't advocation trying to "find a solution" to cliques.

If a clique tries to keep me from going to the Gathering, I can complain about what they’re doing … but no matter how much of a bunch of jerks they are, I can’t go up to the teacher and demand that Jonny, Suzie, Al, and Ronny have to all sit in different corners of the room. I can say that their action is wrong, but I can't control or advocate control over someone else's free choices of social struction

It isn’t our place to decide who has the right to call whom “friend” and whomelse “enemy.”

In this room, all we can do is keep “enemies” from burning the place and each other down.

But the root of the problem, the contesting groups or perception of groups, no one has the authority or the power to ungroup people. It is Unethical and Hypocritical for us to form a group movement to a smash other groups apart or act with the Intent of Marginalizing them. That is the very crime we accuse cliques of in the first place.

No matter how bad they may be for the fandom, we don’t have the right to “Find a solution” for the cliques or perceived cliques in the fandom.

Remember: “You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can’t pick who’s noses your friends pick.” ; )

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Sunday, April 2, 2000 01:23:47 AM
IP: 1cust3.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Happy April Fools Day Everyone!

Ironwolf>I'm sorry to hear about what happened, you have my sincere condolences.

Doug>Your welcome.

I'll finish this when the room gets wiped.
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Sunday, April 2, 2000 01:11:18 AM
IP: spider-ti033.proxy.aol.com

I would like to begin by thanking Scott. Scott, I think perhaps you should change your name from "Diet Coke of Evil" to "voice of reason". I had wanted to say something along the same line as your last post, but I did not think it would fall on receptive ears.

Scott has stated something we should all take heed and listen to. I didn't say it, but I'm very disturbed with the way a lot of people are handling Jewel and Pistoff leaving. I may be considered too involved in this or too extreme in my own reaction to the event, but I'm a bit upset with this all "oh, it was horrible, now let's forget it happened" attitude. What Scott is saying, and I agree with him, is that WE SHOULD NOT forget about what happened. And we shouldn't have this attitude that THIS ONE flame was what led two people to leave. It did have that effect residually, but to simply attribute all of the blame to this one flame war is wrong. Also, it's wrong to take on this attitude that "oh, we'll be good, we won't flame each other and things will be fine". If you believe that's all that's needed, you've missed the point Scott and Jewel and to a lesser extent myself have been trying to say. It's not this past flame war that did it--it's the fact that, lately, it's been obscenely easy for things like this to occur. It's not this one incident, it's the entire *environment* of the CR that's been tense and sometimes downright hostile. Simply thinking things will get better because this flame war is over and done with is wishful--but erroneous--thinking. Scott and Jewel's point is that, until we change the overall attitude of the CR--until we do away with all the cliques, and the thought process that someone's opinion is more worthy than anothers, and all of the bickering and backbiting and passive aggressive screw tactics--then things aren't going to get better. If anything, they can get worse. We're all smarting from 2 friends leaving us, so we're all real careful about how we act to each other right now. But how long will that last? If we don't realize WHY we lost what we did, then it's unfortunately conceivable that we may be seeing another friend leaving the CR--if not the fandom altogether--before it's all over and done with.

I thank you, Scott, for having the courage to say what was on your mind. I know that those comments you've made are not the most popular (that whole "prophet of doom" thing), but I greatly appreciate them (and there are a couple other, as I'm sure you're well aware of, that appreciate them too).

Kitiana: I've heard about Ghost Dog, and was somewhat interested in it. However, it's a smaller, independent film, and when I checked for local listings it wasn't playing in a theatre that's very convenient for me. :( So I may have to wait and check it out on video. I've also wanted to go and see that knew Samuel Jackson military courtroom drama, "Rules of Engagement". It looks pretty good, and I'm a big Sam Jackson fan (I can't wait till this summer. 3 words--Jackson....is.....Shaft! ;)
Oh, and maybe I mistook one of your earlier comments, but the alternative group Blink 182 is all-male. Quite proud of it too, since they were completely naked in at least one of their videos...

Green Baron: A fan of Attila the Hun, are you? ;) I'm having to study him in one of my Management classes. Ever check out "Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun"? I don't know if I could classify Attila as evil. He does come across as a bit of a prick to me, though. But he was one hell of a leader.

Thailog: Is he evil? Probably safe to say yes. Does he know he's evil and likes it? Hmmm....Interesting question.
I perceive Thailog as purely sociopathic. He really only cares about one person--Thailog. Everyone else is expendable, everyone else is just someone to manipulate to his own ends. He's cold and utterly ruthless. Does he know he's evil? Yeah, but I think it's more along the lines of he knows that he is perceived as evil. Being sociopathic, he just doesn't care. He knows the difference between right and wrong, but with Thailog I think the distinction is that he doesn't care about morality or legality. He does what is right for him; as such, he doesn't necessarily think of himself as evil and he doesn't necessarily enjoy being the bad guy (although, truthfully, I think he has a sadistic side to him that enjoys being a bad boy).

Mecord: Forgive me for missing out on something, but did you say your ancestors were Berzerkers? As in Vikings? Allegedly, some of my ancestors--on my father's side--were Vikings themselves. There's still a lot of the Norse blood in the line, too.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, April 2, 2000 12:19:29 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

With great relief, I notice that the good/evil debate has remained civil. Better yet, it's been really interesting. A couple of things to throw out. I'll try to attribute them if I can remember who I'm answering.

Daniel Johnson> OK, I mostly agree with you. I'm glad I asked for clarification. On the issue of slavery, I think the institution was evil, but that was only one factor in the lives of those involved. I think it is the total effect of someone's actions that determines where they stand on the scale of good and evil. Owning slaves makes someone lean closer to evil, but that alone doesn't reflect a person's life. I may not have made that clear before. You're not the only one who has trouble getting a point across. :)

Jenna> I still prefer to think that "Gargoyles Protect" is a choice, not JUST an instinct, but that's not really worth arguing over. Our different opinions don't change our mutual enjoyment of the stories.

Oberon's Evil (a minor clarification)> I don't think Oberon is totally evil, but his current portraial leads me to believe that he's leaning toward evil on the scale. It's his actions, not his personality, though. It would be easier for him to start behaving in a good way than Madoc, for instance. In fact, when you factor in Titania's influence, Oberon is really not all that evil at all. By himself he would be pretty bad, though.

Anyway, it's getting late, and it will get an hour later at 2:00 am, so I'm going to bed. Talk to ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, April 1, 2000 11:00:07 PM
IP: dll2a020-0321.splitrock.net

*** FANDOM RANT ***

This post was originally meant for the other room, but it was brought to my attention that it has more relevancy in this one. I'm pretty sure most of you will dismiss this, because you think you've solved the whole "flaming" problem. Well, let me start by saying that I disagree.

Now, I know I said I'd drop the subject forever, but since today's the Day of Fools, I think I can get away with some hypocrisy.

First off, I think it's very important for any organization to recognize its own mortality. "Gargoyles" doesn't thrive. "Star Trek" thrives. "Star Wars" thrives. We don't have anywhere near their numbers.

Second, I've seen a mentality in these rooms which is pretty much like, "Oh, it's a shame about those guys who have left the fandom, but since the fandom will never, ever die, I'll just sit back and do nothing." People need to realize that nothing begets nothing. Look at the TGS room. You've had adequate evidence that there's some bad stuff going down, but you've decided to simply ignore it and move on, without even trying to get at the root of the problem. (Well, to be fair, a few people have tried). The problem in the TGS room, while addressed, is still UNRESOLVED. (And for those of you who deny that there is a problem... well, look at the evidence: Two people have left the room, not simply because of that flame, but because of several events that have come before it) People need to wake up and realize that nothing is forever. That way, at least none of us will <metaphor> be inside the castle when it collapses. Or, (an even better metaphor), at least some of us will be able to repair the foundation.

The problems still exist... but people only bury it. They pile dirt on it. It's a friggin' weed. Instead of trying to bury it whenever it pops up, (which the strict rules of the room are designed to do), we need to *extract* the weed, roots and all. Going back to the building metaphor, the foundation will get weaker and weaker unless we try to solve the problem from *that* level. In other words, the fandom might need a few more support columns.

You can disregard what I have to say as my being a "prophet of doom" (sorry, Aris!), but this is serious stuff. If you value what you have, then don't just lay back and decide that it will last forever, or that the problem doesn't involve you. Give some serious thought to this.

As it stands, it is my belief that the fandom has a strong enough foundation to survive (perhaps several) more flames. But how arrogant must we be to assume that we can *prevent* flames? Flames will spread, whether we want them to or not, (especially not). Punishments (ie, 3-day ban???) will not stop them, and will only hurt the fandom by patronizing its fans and making all of them feel like children sent to their rooms without supper. It is my belief that the foundation needs to be strengthened and *fortified*, so that a measly little flame doesn't threaten to destroy the entire structure. The most recent flame didn't really come close to doing that... but it did shake the place up a bit, and it *did* do some damage. Enough damage to diminish us in some way.

Think about it. This is serious stuff.

No fooling.

Scott, The Diet Coke of Evil - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 10:48:47 PM
IP: 129-2-251-16.student.umd.edu

New issue of Sabledrake!
Click or go to http://www.sabledrake.com/magazine.htm
Good stuff, folks! ; )

El Dorado > we went to this one today, great movie! Tim & Jen & I all laughed (though Becca found it a little boring). The scenery was gorgeous, the two main characters were fun and funny -- Kevin Kline and Kenneth Branagh, what a team! The girl was entertaining (and it was interesting that she had big ol' hips instead of being perfect-bodied). Good movie. Even had some nudity, that was a surprise! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 10:22:01 PM
IP: 02-066.009.popsite.net

<--Fun individual, but less than generously equipped in the brainmeat department. Still, he'd make entertaining cannon fodder or vozhd chow.

*plops Wilek Nereus' severed head into the punch bowl and makes himself comfortable on the couch*

I thought some of you would like to be informed of a change in management, as regards the deservedly little-known fan fiction of the rather dimwitted gargoyle now decomposing in your refreshment bowl. A while back, I took it upon myself, in my infinite generosity, to politely recommend that he stick to story ideas and let another--me--handle the actual writing. I then found that his story ideas aren't worth the now-dead neural tissue from which they arose, so I've simply killed him and assumed responsibility for the operation myself. Best thing for him, really; his therapy was going nowhere. At any rate, the new season will begin on the 31st day of the month of April, as you of the mortal world reckon time; the first story, Strange Aeons, will take up approximately where Nereus' little cures for insomnia mercifully left off. Trust me, childer, this is all for the better. At least *I* can finish a narrative in less than, oh, a year.

In other news, the CR is getting a few new employees. Meet William Gates and Steven Case, a pair of drinking buddies of mine. They'll be helping out with marketing, and with debugging some of Wyvernweb's more intricate areas. Case has some truly innovative plans for the fanfic archive.

Oh, and...['Cocytus' removes his ceramic mask and snap-brim hat to reveal...the real Wilek.] Happy April Fools' Day, everyone. 8D Real post later...[Wilek does the others the courtesy of removing his fake severed head from the punchbowl. Actually it's Mr. Disconnect's severed head after some truly inspired plastic surgery, performed without anesthesia so as to inspire a realistic expression of abject suffering.]
Cocytus - [<--Once I've revamped this site, all those hideous graphics of the former owner will be done away with, I assure you.]
Caer Oethanoeth, Annwn
Saturday, April 1, 2000 10:19:32 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Rodlox > Hatchling gargoyles don't behave like birds, though. They nurse like mammals do (Greg Weisman states that gargoyles aren't mammals, but they do share similar traits). So in that respect I'd imagine they behave similarly to human infants or other baby primates.

But if infant gargoyles are as "clingy" as primate babies... there's another reason to say "ouch" and hope for Princess Katharine's sake that baby gargoyles' talons aren't super sharp.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, April 1, 2000 10:18:41 PM
IP: abd16526.ipt.aol.com

Niamhgold: {that first line}: and _WHY_ did you dump oatmeal on your sister?
. :)

Rodlox
Saturday, April 1, 2000 09:04:50 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

** "!yaD s'looF lirpA yppaH" syas dna sretne dloghmaiN **

The thing I hate most about this day is that *somebody* always does something to (a) my E-mail and (b) the shower. There was no hot water today, and I got an Em that said my account was going to be closed, one that was a fake letter from a "secret" admirer, and one file I didn't open because it looked a _little_ too suspicious.

Heck...it's fun though. Especially when one of my friend's friends called and I pretended I was her. Heh. |:]

Gside: Yeah, Cid's been around a lot. Of course, I didn't get to play FF I-III or VI. But I was glad to see Biggs and Wedge revived for VIII (it was funny when they quit :)--and Bauhamut's name tends to pop up here and there. Even in the upcoming FF movie one of the characters is going to be called Sid (though it's not spelt with a "C," it's still appreciated!) :)

Well...I can't think of anything more to say!
I'm off!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 08:54:24 PM
IP: ncia107n.ncia.net

Sorry for the double post, but one other thing that I just thought of, this one related to the "Evil" debate.

I agree that most villains in TGS, including Demona and Madoc, wouldn't consider themselves evil. But I wonder if Thailog would. His style definitely suggests that he's fully aware of the fact that he's evil - and is proud of it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, April 1, 2000 06:25:10 PM
IP: 216.87.46.77.dialup-stl.primary.net

David G.: I knew that I wouldn't get it right. Looking back over my previous post, it DOES have the stench of cultural relativism about it. That wasn't really my intention. I'm not trying to excuse "evil" behavior, which is what relativists try to do. I majored in anthropology, and that view is common among many anthropologists. Too common. I guess what I'm saying is that I have trouble passing judgement on others. I have to have a compelling reason to call someone evil, and I just don't see Oberon that way. I might not approve of his actions, and might try to oppose him (suicidal as that might be), but that doesn't mean I'm willing to condemn him as evil. Madoc, however, is evil by anyone's definition.

Ok, here's a real life example: slavery. Today we can all agree the slavery is evil and should not be tolerated, but 200 years ago that wasn't a widespread belief (in parts of the US at least). So the question is: are all people who owned slaves evil? Some no doubt were, but all?

A Gargoyles example: most humans throughout history have treated gargoyles as beasts or monsters. Isn't that evil? Shouldn't all humans, or even a large group of them, be condemned for that? Demona thinks so. Goliath doesn't. Who is right? Or is the truth somewhere in between?

I don't have a problem calling an action evil, just the person. Let's not rush to judge others, especially those who died long ago. I'd rather spend my energy preventing such things from happening again. I also don't think there is any point to assigning "degrees of evilness" to individuals. Someone is either evil or not evil at a given time.

So to wrap this up: Madoc is evil; Oberon isn't but could use a serious attitude adjustment. Does that make any more sense or am I being too incoherent? I hate it when I can't get the right words out. I always had that problem in school.

Toku Kaioto: Your post was brilliant and dead on. I understand now where your reputation for sagacity comes from. :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Saturday, April 1, 2000 06:25:06 PM
IP: ppp-3.rb5.exit109.com

AVALON HATCHLINGS LEARNING TO GLIDE - We did discuss this on the TGS mailing list a couple of years ago, briefly, and somebody (I forget whom) suggested that there's always the possibility of just pushing them off the wall so that they have to glide. Damien "Foggy" Tobin, the fellow who created most of the "Dark Ages" cast (including Asrial and Thersites) then conjured up the vision of Thersites as a hatchling in his first gliding lesson, bawling, "I don't want to gooooo!"

PATRICK - Well, there've been no April Fools jokes of that nature in the other comment room, but Aris did post a list of "phony revelations" from "Ask Greg", such as that there would be an episode with Demona stealing the Easter Bunny's eggs.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, April 1, 2000 06:22:45 PM
IP: 216.87.46.77.dialup-stl.primary.net

**Mecord emerges from the shadows in a dark cloak.**

Evil> Having had a very recent and personal brush with evil myself, I somehow feel qualified to say a thing or two on this subject. I believe it was in the last part of “Awakenings” when Goliath told Demona, “There is good and evil in all of us. You should know that better than anyone.” (By the way I think the last half of this statement screams for possible story ideas for the Dark Ages series involving Demona) Point is, if you ask someone if they are evil, odds are they will say, “No, I’m simply misunderstood.” Madoc probably believed that he was only trying to take what was rightfully his. Speaking of alignments, Madoc may have considered himself lawful good (after all, under his rule, anything he does is lawful and good right? :)). A person doesn’t necessarily have to recognize the evil in himself to be evil. But what is Evil? If I may use the U.S. Declaration of Independence? We all have “certain unalienable rights” that we tend to fight for; namely life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The colonists blamed King George for trying to take away those rights and in essence declared his acts, and therefore King George, as evil. The colonists had something good and felt it was being taken away. To me, evil isn’t just a bad act, evil is the act of taking away good. That is what made Madoc so evil, everything he did, everything he was, he bent towards the purpose of destroying that which was good to other people. What good he had diminished and I think was extinguished when he killed his nephew.

Kit>> <So you're descended from berserkers, huh?> As it turns out, a good deal of my ancestry were warriors of some kind. The other half of my family comes from a Scottish highland clan. Turns they were big rivals of the ruling Stewart Clan and have a standing feud to this day. They came to hate us more when a third clan challenged their power and my clan was called to serve as the personal bodyguards of this third clan.

Archwolf>> Thanks, it’s good to be among friends again.

Okay, I promised an RP for today

*****WARNING RP*****
In a place called Keystone, the Commander watched the new feed.
“Four elves and two dragons of alien origins were reported to have arrived on the space station Avatar sir,” reported the technician, “This dark-haired one is Mecord, their leader.”
“And the golden-haired human next to him?”
“The dragon, sir. Some time ago those two were chased off the planet after an unsuccessful raid on an Illuminati base.”
“Where are the other elves and dragon?”
“Unknown sir. They are adept at avoiding any detection. We believe they are from an organization similar to the Illuminati and seek an alliance.”
“Sir!” someone else called, “The Quencher has been defeated!”
On the Avatar Warpmind materialized in his quarters. Station security would likely be after him to answer a few questions. There were a few things here he couldn’t let them find when they come looking. There was no sound, no physical warning, but long experience alerted him to the presence of another. Warpmind whirled and raised his shotgun, only to find his aim was too high. Before him stood a little girl about ten years old, with dark curly hair. Something about this girl set him on edge.
“Hullo,” she said, “Yur ‘luminadi huh?”
That’s when he noticed that she was holding a scroll. The wax seal held the symbol of the Illuminati. The little girl held the scroll up for him to take. Wary of any trick, Warpmind snatched the scroll from the girl’s hand. The girl promptly ran from the room. A strange messenger if this is from the Illuminati. Opening the scroll, Warpmind read the message.

The Guild of Thieves of Magia requests, by authority of the Mastermind, audience with an Illuminati representative to discuss an alliance between our two organizations. The Guild has become aware of the current struggle of power on your planet. As a show of good faith you have but to inform us of your organization’s stance on this struggle and our representatives will act accordingly. Please record your response in the space provided below and our courier will return to deliver the message for you.

Thieves Guild representative,
Mecord Lein
*****End of RP*****

Later.

Mecord
Saturday, April 1, 2000 05:33:27 PM
IP: usr21.mtwest.net

Out of curiosity, where is The Longest Day, Part Two? it's not after Part One in the Pendragon Archive...

...i'll go check the Gargoyles Archive...

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 04:50:13 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hey I'm going to update my page!

(um... April Fool. All right, all right, I'm not in practise with this. ;))
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 04:36:19 PM
IP: webcacheh05a.cache.pol.co.uk

Coyote: Wagner will fight Steve Bluestone to be the only Bastard BASTARD HarbourMastah in the Gargoyles fandom ;)

Aaron: *LOL!!

For everyone who didn't get Aaron's crack, my EMail sig is

"I had my car's alignment checked. It's chaotic evil!"

And it IS. My family and friends will attest to The Mysterious Oil-Squirting Trunk (attacks clothing of male friends; never touches my clothes), The Door That Should Not Be Locked (Auto door lock won't unlock the passenger door if they are at all touching the door, thereby trapping them in the car), Fifty Fifty Ignition (If you leave the keys in the ignition, half the time it refuses to start until you take them out and put them back in again) The Heavy Metal Stereo (will not play any music it doesn't like...won't tune in the local softrock radio station, but can get the metal station from New York...will actually spit out other people's tapes, but plays metal with no problem), The Seats of Hunger (Tell me how that card/key/change/whatever gets from the pocket of the guy in shotgun to beneath the driver's seat), The Self Opening Trunk (GAS STATION GUY: "miss, did you know your trunk was open?" regardless of the fact that I doublechecked it shut before I left) The Variable Gas Gauge (sometimes full is full, and sometimes full is 3/4 tank) etc, etc, etc...mind you the engine parts work great, I've only had to fix one thing on this car EVER and it's a '95, (changed brake pads) the machine itself is immortal, but it as a WEIRD sense of humour.
Stormy
Saturday, April 1, 2000 03:35:54 PM
IP: pc21.huron.uwo.ca

I have a wonderful idea for a fanfiction. Elisa Maza in the Twlight Zone. The name of the fanfiction is Night of the Wasps. And it ever gargoyle and human but Elisa is turned into a wasp. When Elisa come to Xanatos' place she takes a swipe at Alex the wasp and Puck appears and tells her that maybe the mutates are still normal so she goes there but there are tied up and guarded by mind controlled Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles so Elisa is really ticked but so she comes upon the culprit the fly mutant, Baxter Stopman who used a bigo machine to turn everyone. He turns Elisa into Q-Bee and marries her and they live happily ever after. (errie music) Twlight Zone type ending yes?
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 03:18:30 PM
IP: dt0410nca.san.rr.com

Look what I found, an essay on why Power Rangers is the greatest show ever made.

APRIL FOOLS!!!

The essay talks about it in a very sarcastic way, the writer is joking. If you want a good laugh, click on my name.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:29:26 PM
IP: dialin-594-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

neat ideas about Katherine teaching the Avalon Hatchlings to glide....but there's another trial&tribulation even earlier....

you're familiar with sea gulls, right? their hatchlings, when they want to be fed, don't rely on the shape of the mother or father's head - they look for a bright red spot; if the feeder has the spot, then the hatchling rams his head up into the parent's mouth.

....some of the hatchlings, we've seen, had ram horns...others may've been like Broadway {with a pachycephalosaurus head - ramming}...and others like Brooklyn's beak.

all i can say is "OW!"

Rodlox
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:28:08 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Ironwolf: you have my condolences....{i don't know what else to say, and for that, i am truly sorry}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:24:12 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Happy April 1st. At least no one's tried to pull what would probably be the meanest April Fools joke in any of the CRs, and post that Disney is putting Gargoyles back on the air... though I think someone DID do that a year or two ago.

Re: Avalon clan learning to glide > I would think many of them would have at least some memory of that experience... I'd think it'd be rather akin to a human child learning to ride a bike - one of those experiences where one either takes to it almost instantly or else there's a whole lot of trial and error and band-aids before they finally catch on. The difference, though, would be that young gargoyles would have some sort of instinct to guide them, as well... so they'd probably know they're supposed to use their wings and not their arms.

Re: Evil, morality, etc. > In order to make judgements, one has to take as given that there's at least some sort of universal morality that stems from a higher power (God, Fate, the universe, etc.) which applies to all people regardless of race, color, creed, culture, or upbringing. It always seems simple at first, but it gets complicated easily as exceptions start being made to the set of "universal" rules one adopts, until eventually what you have is a judgement based on cultural and personal values and morals rather than any type of pure universal laws.

Was Madoc evil? It seems most of us would say yes. Julius Ceasar, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin (if any of them were still around to speak on it) might have a different view on it, though. As for the abosulute answer... only that higher power (God, Fate, the universe) can make that call. The best we can do is make a subjective judgement based on our own feelings, values, and beliefs.

To the issue at hand... I don't believe Madoc was inherently evil any more than I believe Demona is. He had free will just like any other being, and it was the choices he made and his motives for doing so that make me believe him to be evil, even though in the same way of looking at it I find Demona not to be.

And that's my 2 cents. Enough rambling from me now.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, April 1, 2000 12:21:13 PM
IP: abe2aba6.ipt.aol.com

IT'S APRIL FOOLS DAY! DUU! LIKE NO ONE EVER KNOWN... HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHE! Well my birthday is coming very soon. Hear ya soon guys!
Demona May - [realdemona@duesouth.net]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 12:15:33 PM
IP: mica-12-39.northaugusta.sc.scescape.net

*Walks into the cr. Thats it. No flashy entrance, no burned fur, no nothing.*

Mecord>Welcome back, my friend. If you ever need to chat, drop me a line. According to some of my friends, 's'all I'm good for *wink* Anyway, here you are always among friends, and no demons can get ya.

Ironwolf>I too, am sorry to hear of your grandfather's passing. You and yours have my heartfelt condolences.
*Archwolf joins Warfrost in a rememberance howl*

Christine>I just read about your Mother. She is in my prayers.

GB>>Alignment: My AD&D chars. tened toward Chaotic Good. My Whitewolf chars. would, I suppose, be considered Lawful Evil in AD&D, even though they fight against the Wyrm.

SOROW> Good luck with your tryouts. And school and the show. And don't worry bout us. We'll still be here.

Shade and Sweet water, everyone!
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 11:51:21 AM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Ironwolf: Sorry to hear about your grandfather's passing. Good luck to you and your family in dealing with it, however long it takes. <sigh>

Bengali: Thanks for the reading, and the feedback. I'm glad you enjoyed the story, and sorry about the character problems on Xanatos and Demona. (It's been about three years between Hunter's Moon and Elysium, they did evolve some in that time, Demona especially, but I didn't think I'd pushed them as far as you said I did. Maybe I oughta do a little regression. :) Thanks much for pointing the problems out.)

Happy April Fool's Day, see you all again later.
Doug
Saturday, April 1, 2000 10:51:15 AM
IP: pool-207-205-151-93.dlls.grid.net

i wanted to post this because I want everyone know that i have not left the room but, I well not be able to post or visit for a week. I have to leave suddenly. My grandfather just passed away friday I haven't really been able to read friday or todays posts I will be back friday. And thanks everyone for well just being here
Ironwolf
Saturday, April 1, 2000 09:37:32 AM
IP: host-209-214-40-122.cha.bellsouth.net

A reminder to all. That most evil and horrible time is once again upon us. Yes, DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME goes into effect tonight. Remember to set your clock ahead one hour. This of course only applies to those who have to suffer this evil and horrid ritural twice a year.

Auntie Starsinger
In windy, rainy, stormy (name your precipitation) Albuquerque.
Starsinger
Saturday, April 1, 2000 08:30:46 AM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net

*Warpmind enters, looking around.*

Now, what's this about alignments? Hmmm... I don't really play much (to my great disappointment - the local opportunities for it are far too scarce), but put me down as the sly scumbag who sympathizes with everything and everyone, and uses his charisma to con others into doing just about *anything*. >:) Hey, at least I'm aware of the ability. I never use it for evil. ;) And, if I were to use it for evil, well, I'm a man of my word.

The Spark: Okay, I'm testing, and come up with the following results:
I'm 26% bastard, 14% of which is Tard (whatever that means).
The Love Test grants me 79 percent... and 4 wedges of discontent... Hmmm...
I think I'll just skip the ASSquiz...
The Wealth test indicates I'll be worth 1M$ at age 42...
The Sex Test says I'll have sex with 2 people in my life, love one of them... and the rest, I'll leave unsaid...
Okay, this is almost not fun anymore... ;)

Daniel Johnson: Ah, you left out the accents. That makes sense, then. And I apologize for the song...

Gside: Dude, Manxine is 50% cat, 50% human, 100% female. "Just" bisexual. And before you get around to asking: no, there's no chance she'll cheat on Lexington. Even if Hell should freeze over, pigs start cruising at an altitude of 10,000 feet, and monkeys fly out of various peoples' posterior areas.

Kitania: Hey, no prob. In fact, the Finished Beta II is done; if you like, I can e-mail you a copy of the system. :) But do note that it is far from finished; I shall have to make a lot more for it; maps, flora & fauna, background, et cetera, et cetera. So, the *finished* product is quite likely to be massive...

Wilek: Hey, it's not so complex; shooting blank CDs is a waste. Shooting at Windows CDs makes it okay. Justification. ;)

Well, that's about it. Cheerio for now, gang. :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, April 1, 2000 06:11:56 AM
IP: mp-217-211-134.daxnet.no

For the Android name I couldnt think up anything for my current alias so I'm gonna use the fake "real" name I use.

L=Logical
I=Intelligent
S=Stealth
A=Android

Doug>Heres my "In depth" review of your fic. Well, for starters the story was very good, the storyline was well written, the length of the story was a bit long but still about the right size for that type of story. A lot of the characters were ones that I had never heard of before but I'm sure that they were probably introduced in your other fics. The things that the story addressed were done maturely and not in the fairy tale like fashion of many other fic writers. I had a few probs with the characters though, first off I think that Xanatos and Demona were FAR too different from the way they were before, I dont know how much time had passed from Hunters Moon to Elysium but I'm pretty sure that it would take a lot longer than that for those two to change so dramatically. Xanatos showed very little humor in Elysium which I think was too much off character for him. Demona has reformed but her old personality is too far gone, she didnt show as much contempt for humans as she should have and didnt seem quite as intelligent or cunning as she used to. But despite those few problems I enjoyed the story a great deal. I rate the story a 8 out of 10 or 4 stars.

Kitainia><>Actually, I dont think you're biased to say that, I read Doug's story and he was honest in his description of it.

Green Baron><<Christine writes gratuitis sex so well>>No offense to you or Christine but I just dont like smutty or raunchy stuff.

Jewel>Sorry to see you go.

A Merrier Hour>I didnt like this ep, first off, the characters were weakly portrayed, the story was too short, Brooklyn didnt seem to miss Sata as much as he shoudve, the story was poor, etc, etc, etc...I rate it a 6 outa 10.

One thing I did notice however was when Vassily shouted "I will have blood for blood!", I believe hat was a reference to Awakening part five when Demona said the same thing, but then again I could be wrong.

A Tale of Two Gates>Havnt read it yet but I will when I finish this post.

AD&D Alignment>I'd probably place myself at Lawful Neutral Good.

Madoc-Evil or Not?>This guy is most ceratainly evil, but since theres nothing I can say on that subject to add to what has already been said, I'd probably agree with Kitainia and most others have said. As for Oberon being evil, I dont think hes "Evil" but more of a arrogant, spoiled child.

Now off the the s8 comment room!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 05:41:02 AM
IP: spider-wi061.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind> <<Looks suddenly terrified, as Elton John's "Circle of Life" begins to play in the background>> Ecch. I much prefer Be Prepared. ^_^ <<Why burn Windows onto blank CDs just to shoot them? The answer, my friend, is quite simple. Justification.>> [After a moment of his trademark Keanu Reeves-esque 'huh?' stare, Wilek shakes his head and gives up.]

Aaron> <<Partially-Formed Transformah (The Hell?)>> It's simple: You're a Transformer protoform. Go visit a zoo or a used car lot or a military surplus lot or something. ;P

Green Baron> <> That is the kind of thing one only hears in *this* place. ;) <<Now, I do not even love her anymore. She also makes me uncomfortable.>> Ack. :( <speechless>

Delwyn> <<can someone fill me in on what brought about the acronyms and discussion about Gargoyle mamary glands?>> No idea. Of course, this place is sufficiently insane as to occasionally throw such fundamental physics principles as Newton's (or was it Einstein's?) cause and effect edicts right out the window, so sometimes it's best simply to sit back and enjoy the ride. ;)

Coyote> <<"Nani" is a Japanese word used normally as a surprised "WHAT?!">> Ah. Thanks. ^_^

Niamhgold> <<Yep, there's one of her>> Kewl. ^_^ I have a chibi Edea (along with Alucard and Vega, and I'm thinking of adopting the chibi Freddy Krueger that's taken up residence on my desktop) and it's interesting to know there's a picture of her lurking about somewhere. ^_^

Spacebabie> <> Heh, that's the name they gave Owen Burnett. Very ironic. ;P

Gside> <<How many Cids have there been now (V, VI, VII, VIII...)? And Wedge (VI, VII, CT...)?>> There have also been a lot of Biggses, typically seen in tandem with Wedges. Biggs and Wedge are their tribute to Star Wars. ^_^

SJ> <<At first I was excited, cause I thought he was talking about Mankind, the wrestler (and let me tell you, Mr. Socko could lay the smackdown on Woverine's candy ass!), but then I realized he was just talking about us *normal* folks.>> Heh...I once read in some comedy magazine somewhere an article involving casting for a then-hypothetical X-Men movie. The only choices I can remember offhand are Marlon Brando as Professor Xavier, Whoopi Goldberg as Nightcrawler (WTF?!), and Freddy Krueger as Wolverine ("TWO claws! Now THIS is what I'm talkin' about!" of course I'd recommend skin grafts if he plans on wearing anything sleeveless <eck>). hehe <<If you ask me, Cid VII was the coolest.>> Oh, quite. That skyship of his is among the kewlest vehicles ever devised. ^_^

Speaking of FF7...is anyone else having...difficulties...with it? I bought the Playstation version, and it kept erasing my saved games. I bought the PC version, and it locked up my computer so severely as to freeze the power switch. I think the latter problem is due somehow to a large discoloration on Disc 1. This is ticking me off, especially considering that I had to take back the first copy of the PS version because *it* was so scratched up that it locked up the console...<sigh> I e-mailed Eidos tech support a while back, hope they respond...

AD&D alignments> No idea how that works, but somehow I get the feeling I'd waver between chaotic evil/neutral and lawful neutral, if those mean what I think they do.

Jaden> <> I think you just described a Dalek. ;P

Kitainia> <<This is my last CR post by the way....<waits for reactions> April Fools!>> <twitch> the Linky And Dinky newsletter pulled this exact same stunt...
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, April 1, 2000 05:32:03 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

oh yeah...alighnments...

um, not too sure, really...probably like the nation of Khazaria. {the only Jewish _nation_ - not canton or district - in the Middle Ages}.....

...i'm the sort who tries to stop fights {unless it puts me at great risk}, who does everything possible to avoid being in a fight...that help any?

Rodlox
Saturday, April 1, 2000 03:54:39 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

ancestors: well, with Russian, Welsh, and probably half-a-dozen {at least} Northern European groups in my blood {"is it just me, or am i crowded?"}...i've probably got a -

a what? Berserkrs {that i know of} followed Thor.....who followed Tyr, 'god' {jotun} of War and treaties..??

i was wondering if it would be okay to mention two storylines {and two TGS ‘shows’} at the same time, so I’ll just follow Kitairia’s example {and i apologize if i misspelledd your name}.

both in the bayou, and in the 780s, Brooklyn hears that the Gate contains an evil {or should that be Evil?} which could bring about death, destruction, etc etc....and the strengthening of the UnSeelie....

now granted, Loki in Norse myth was a key player in bringing about Ragnarok.....but absolute evil? he must have _some_ redeeming qualities - or even Sigyn {his Aesthir wife} would have left him in that cave! {hmm...is she in the Gate too? is she trying to find and free him?}.

on a side note, whenever mention’s been made - in the CR or in the stories - of Banshee, guess who i think of...?

Hela, aka, Hel.
Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 03:52:06 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Good mornig to everyone (Well, here it is morning, at least). I have just a few minutes, so a quick ones.

Cyborg names:> Very amusing. Here's mine ones.

Synthetic
Hydraulic
Anddroid
Designed
for
Observation
and
Warfare
Robotic
Individual
Developed
for
Exploration
and
Repair

Hmmm...I like it.

My given name, Marco:

Mechanical
Android
Responsible
for
Calculation
and
Observation

My Italian nickname, Ombra:

Obedient
Mechanical
Battle
and
Repair
Android

Wu names:> I didn't like my true name's version

Marco Previtera = Half-cut Skeleton

So I tried a combo of my nicknames:

Shadowrider Ombra = Alarmingly-named Wolfman

A little better.

GB:> Hmmm, I heard about bad floodings in New Orleans. In the place I live in, it happened just once, a few years before I was born, and it was a quite bad thing.

Alignment: I've been playing AD&D since I was 12. Almost all of my characters were (and are) neutral good, and so I consider myself.

Driving: Well, my mother doesn't drive (and she doesn't want to learn), but my father does. He teached driving to me as I was 14, both the car and the motorbike. (In Italy you can't drive a bike until 16, and a car until 18, but he believed it was better for me to learn it before)

Madoc: Evil or Not? :> Well, the debate is going more and more interesting. A lot of good points. I have no time to make an intervention now, but I'll do. Anyway, I quite agree with Daniel's point.

Oh, BTW, welcome, Daniel.

Gside:> No alternates? Oh, well, if Greg decided so...<bows deeply>. You're right, you explained it before, I had missed it. Sorry.

Stormy:> Nice picture. I used to love Transformers as they were broadcasted.

Kitainia:> Yeah, getting wet is not very funny, and being hit by a lightning is even less (I guess...it never happened to me, luckily...;)), but sometimes I can't help but going out. I don't know why, but it is so. My parents consider me a little mad for this, while some friends of mine seem to understand. Oh, well.

Fanfic progress: I'm working on it, I assure I'm working on it. Things are getting slow (I'm being very busy nowadays...) but going on. I've written about 2/3 of the Italian version. I hope I'll finish it and begin translation within the end of April.

Timedancer: I agree with you and Airwalker about Brook and Sata (I'm a little biased about it). The two of them timedancing and dealing with the hatchlings would be funny. (Scene: in the middle of a fightinig, Sata says to Brook: " Beloved, could you please hand it by yourself for a few minutes? Graeme's napkin needs to be changed...").
Anyway, Robby's laughs at our comments make me hope for the best...

Anne:> Welcome back! Happy birthday in advance.

Wow, I'm late! See you!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, April 1, 2000 03:19:44 AM
IP: h213-2-100.mi.infinito.it

Whoops, my finger slipped. :) Oh well, here's the rest of my post:

Daniel Johnson: Welcome, and thanks for your good comments. I hope you will stay around a while and enjoy it here now that things have calmed down. :)

Airwalker: Welcome back! I agree with you that Sata should be brought back into Timedancer real soon. The stories right now are good, but I think they'd be a lot better if she was also involved in them. :) I do agree with David G that the seperation has to be long enough to be meaningful, though (hasn't yet but it better get that way soon :). Hope Robby's post about this all being pre-ordained ends up making good stories whenever it comes true.

Mecord: Welcome back to you too, and congrats on resolving your personal issues (whatever they were). So you're descended from berserkers, huh? That's interesting. I myself am descended from warriors too, though not of the berserker kind. At least I don't think so. :)

Anne: Welcome back to you also, and congrats on the upcoming birthday. Hope you enjoy it. :)

That's about all for now. Happy April Fool's Day to anyone in here who still observes it. (This is my last CR post by the way....<waits for reactions> April Fools! :) Okay, I'll admit, that was cheap. Couldn't think of anything better to do, though. <grin> That's partly cause it's late and I'm tired. Will see you all later, good night.

**GETTING BACK TO RP ACTION, PLEASE EXCUSE THE VIOLENCE AND LENGTH**

"Is the bomb almost set?" Al Detergent is asking Asil as the screen comes back on. "I really want to get back to my gang, some of them looked like they were dying." "If they were capable they're still alive," Asil snaps. "I too am worried about them, but this is more important. So stop distracting me." "Yeah, stop distracting her!" James VanDerBeek snaps, shoving Detergent back from Asil as she resumes tinkering with a pile of explosives. "Hey, why'd you do that, idiot?" the DLG's leader complains. "I'm on your side, you know!" "Then act like it," VanDerBeek snaps. "Don't complain about what our mistress does." Detergent glares at him and mutters, then turns around to storm off down the hall. Just then he catches sight of Doug, Kit, Keith, Stephanie, Erin, and Gubio turning the corner and calls a warning. The six Ravens spot Detergent, Asil, and VanDerBeek at the same time and come to a stop, readying their weapons. "Damn it!" Asil curses as she looks up and sees them. "Kill them!" she then orders her minions, drawing her BFG and firing off a whole clip of blasts from it. The Ravens scatter and die for cover at the blasts, such actions and their Reflec armor are the only reason they don't take massive damage from them. Detergent and VanDerBeek start firing their machine guns next as Asil runs into a nearby office suite and leaves them behind. "You won't escape!" Kit yells at her evil clone, braving the fire to chase after Asil. "Hang on, sis!" Stephanie runs after her, not wanting Kit to face Asil by herself. The other four Ravens who were with them are left in the hallway to take on Detergent and VanDerBeek, and all of them quickly take wounds in the gun battle that ensues. Detergent screams as he is wounded also, then falls over as one of Keith's ninja stars hits him in the cheek and explodes. The DLG leader's last thoughts are of his gang and hopes that any who have survived this battle are alright, as well as mourning for the life he's led. VanDerBeek sees him fall and grimaces, then fires an incapacitating smoke grenade from his rifle. It explodes in the middle of the Ravens and they all begin coughing and choking. VanDerBeek snickers and dons a gas mask before running forward to attack with the butt of his gun. He crashes into Doug, who rips VanDerBeek's mask off just before he is knocked down. The two then start punching and wrestling each other on the floor. "Say Uncle!" the loser teen star chuckles, and Doug replies with a series of punches to the jaw that knock VanDerBeek's head back. "You're ruining my face!" he wails, striking back with steroid-enhanced muscles as his features twist into a plastic grin. "Not that it's much of a face anyway," Doug mutters, kicking VanDerBeek hard between the legs with his knee. Asil's boytoy gasps in extreme pain, then raises his fist to hit Doug hard. "Move your head!" Gubio yells in that instant, putting his pistol against the back of VanDerBeek's skull. Doug whips his face aside to dodge the punch as the Ravens' hacker fires, and VanDerBeek curses just before he dies from the shot. "Wasn't that..." Gubio asks Doug as Keith and Erin pull the corpse of VanDerBeek off him. Doug nods. "I think it was. I don't know about you, but I'm not sorry we killed him." "Me neither," Gubio agrees with a grin. "All the idiot fangirls on the Internet will mourn this guy but not me." "Yeah, I won't either," Keith says. "I'm really glad we won't ever see another of his movies." "Um, who was he?" Erin asks, frowning as she looks at VanDerBeek's destroyed head. "I didn't recognize him." "That's cause he's thankfully not popular in the Middle East," Gubio replies. "As for who he was,..." He is about to explain when there is a loud scream of rage from the nearby office. "We gotta help Kit!" Doug shouts, and the others nod in agreement. They all then rush to see if Kit and Stephanie are alright as the screen's image fades.

**WILL CONTINUE RP NEXT TIME WITH A SERIOUS KITAINIA-ASIL CATFIGHT. :) BUT IT MUST END FOR NOW. LATER!**
Kitainia
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:48:14 AM
IP: pool-209-138-205-158-dlls.grid.net

**RP HERE**

Thailog crosses his arms and frowns as he hears Alchemist's words. "Liquify their brains? Are you sure such a thing is possible?" "Perhaps a demonstration then?" Alchemist chuckles, rubbing his palms together. "I can assure you the device will work!" Thailog is about to reply when Hacker Corax runs in breathless. "Boss," he says. "I just heard from Asil. She's almost completed her mission, but she's under attack from the Ravens. Needs prompt evac." "Go find Dahak and tell him to take care of it," Thailog orders. Corax nods and then leaves to look for the evil fay. Thailog sighs. "I really hope the Ravens don't ruin another plan of mine." "Liquify their leaders' brains and that won't be possible," Alchemist grins. "Trust me, my spy has made detailed studies of our adversaries. The ones called Kitainia and Doug are the only individuals in the group who have initiave." "I don't know if that's entirely true," Thailog frowns, "but for now I will trust it. Get your demonstration ready. I want to see if this new invention works before making any choice to use it or not." Alchemist smiles and walks off.

Meanwhile in the Nielsen Building in Los Angeles, the Ravens are about to start following the trail of gunpowder when Grifix lowers the cell phone he'd been talking on. "Sol has just informed me that police officers are surrounding the building!" he yells. "Perhaps we should get out of here before they come in." "Why?" Jammer frowns. "Aren't we on their side?" "They don't know that," Tricia reminds him. "And we don't have time for their questions." "We don't have time to do anything but stop Asil either," says Doug. "Have you guys forgotten she's about to blow up this whole building?" "Not to mention this may be our only chance in a long while to take her out," Kit adds, the fires of obsession gleaming in her eyes. Keith frowns as he sees it and looks at the others. "How bout this, guys?" he then says. "Doug, Kit, Stephanie, Gubio, Erin, and me go after Asil and whoever she still has with her, take them out. The rest of you get out of here and don't let the cops stop you." "Uh, okay," Tom shrugs. "Guess we'll try." "Why do Gubio, Erin, and me have to stay in with you guys?" Stephanie asks Keith. He shrugs. "Why not?" "I have no problem with it," Erin says. "Come on, let us follow the trail of our enemy before it grows cold." "Yeah," Gubio nods, cocking his pistol and giving Mist a pat as she whines. "We don't have time to argue." "Then we'll see you guys outside," says Shauna. "Yeah," Shap agrees. "God go with you." Everyone else nods in agreement and runs out, Boris grabbing Jaden (who's still grimacing in pain from the static attack) up by the scruff of his neck as they go. The Ravens all run out and manage to make it outside the building, but there they are immediately surrounded by a large number of LAPD officers. "Stop!" one of the cops shouts. "Hold it!" The Ravens are all forced to stop, drop their weapons, and raise their hands as dozens of guns are pointed their way. "This is not good," Grifix mumbles as the cops surround them. "Understatement," agrees Elena. "Who are you people?" a random cop yells at them. "Never mind!" another shouts. "Just cuff them! We'll sort it out later!" "Get us out of this with a spell," Boris hisses at Lathrop and Orion. Both sigh. "I already used up all our energies on those elementals and Asil's initial assault," Lathrop comments. "Unfortunately I did too," Orion then says. "Aw nuts!" Jaden grimaces as the police start arresting and putting handcuffs on everyone. Only Mist, who hung back while everyone was running out, is able to slip away. She starts running to get Doug and Gubio as the screen's image fades.

**END THIS SOMEWHAT WORRISOME RP**

Hi everyone. <looks around, just in case, then smiles in relief> Oh good, looks like the flame war's over. Thank goodness. Don't really know if I can say anything about it that hasn't been said already, but I do agree with Doug, Jenna, and Bengali's words. I also do not like the conflict's results, and hope that if Pistoff and Jewel are reading this, they will know that we miss them terribly and are going to do our best to make this room the kind of place that welcomes them once again in the time between now and whenever they come back (I am of course hoping they will come back <sigh>). Don't know who was right or wrong in the original war, but I do think we all were both in some ways. Right now I guess I'm just glad it's over. :) And that's all I'm going to say about that.

Stephen: Congrats on the new apartment and glad it didn't take you away from us too long. :) Hope you and your family enjoy the place however long you stay in it. :)

SJ: <I'd recommend you give Romeo Must Die a chance> We'll be seeing it tomorrow, don't worry. :) Might see Lost City of Gold too since it kinda looks interesting (and Coyote liked it). Saw another movie recently called Ghost Dog about a modern-day hit man following the way of the samurai. It was okay, had decent acting and cinematography. Good script and action too. Unfortunately, there were a lot of plot holes and the movie's theme (if it existed) was too difficult to pick out so we only gave it seven out of ten stars. You might like the film more than we did, though, so for you I recommend it. :) <Billy Crystal wasn't funny> Yeah, I agree, but I also think someone else would have been a worse host than he was. Hope he gets better material next year. :( And that Hanoi Jane doesn't get so much undeserved applause.

Wilek: <<my sister Stephanie, who for some reason insists on always telling people all my flaws>> <blink> Have
you...spoken to her about this?> Many times. It's never once done any good. That's just how little sisters are. Don't worry, though. I pay Stephanie back in kind with her boyfriends whenever I get the chance. :) I continue to hope that if I can get her mad enough at me for doing it, she'll realize how it makes me feel and stop. <sighs> Hasn't happened yet.

Shadowrider: I like storms too, though getting wet in them is no picnic (neither is getting struck by lightning I hear :). The elemental poetry of them is nice, though, and they do help me sleep. <smiles> Sorry you had to rip up your fanfic idea. I'm sure after you change the scenes you mentioned it will be a better story. <grins> Looking forward to reading the finished product whenever it comes out.

SOROW: You're welcome. I'm glad I was able to make you feel better. Always remember the world isn't all bad, only most of it. :) Congrats on surviving the tornadoes, I was worried about you. How's your hand doing, by the way? Hope it's fine, I've been praying. :) Oh, and btw, don't be so sad about not being able to go to the Gatherings. You're not the only one who hasn't been able to after all. <sighs>

Patrick: Nice creativity demon about Princess Katherine and gliding. I wonder if any of the Avalon Clan still remembers that and jokes about it (doubts it, but it's possible :). I do wonder however, if the Magus had to help some with levitation magics. Getting gargs to flap their wings is one thing, but getting them off the ground...Come to think of it, a garg's wings are different limbs from their arms too. I wonder how long it took Princess Katherine to convince the hatchlings that their wings and not their arms were used for gliding. :)

Silverstar: You're welcome also. I too have enjoyed many girl bands. Blink 182 I've heard and liked, but didn't know they were female. Haven't heard Incubus, maybe I need to check it out. :) Good luck with the classes you've signed up for, I can totally sympathize with your worries about studying languages (especially since we probably have about equal skill with them. :(

Scientology: I don't like it either, and I also don't understand why so many other people do. I visited the campus scientology office once for their "free personality test" (advertised by a sign on the window) and I tell you, nowhere else have I met people with so many unresolved issues. There was one guy in the lobby who took one look at me and then wouldn't stop hitting on me no matter how many times I told him to buzz off; two other people who overheard us and then started telling me I needed to improve my sensitivity and that I should read their flyers (I blew them off, and they snickered at me, calling me a loser unless I acted like them. I ignored it). Another woman in the lobby asked me for a financial contribution to Scientology and when I told her I couldn't afford to make one she thumbed her nose at me and walked off. Then there was a guy who started monotononously quoting one of Hubbard's psychology books verbatim whenever I tried to ask him a question (never answering the question in the process I might add), a receptionist who kept nodding and not listening to me when I tried to talk to her, a fat guy who would proseltize(sp?) Scientology to me when I asked him about the test instead of giving it to me, a group of girls who acted like the Cordettes on crack (they had just gotten tested before me and the tests of course told them they were smart and perfect, etc.) and other assorted weirdos. They all needed help, I was sure, but none of them seemed able to acknowledge it. Nor was there much in the place that looked like it could help them. I ended up walking out of there before I even got my test, the place was so crazy I just didn't want to get involved in it any more. Don't know what I think about Scientology myself, but if the rest of the people who follow it are anything like those people I met it can't be that great. <sighs> From what I've heard, the main tenet of the philisophy is just to get your problems out and then forget about them because they don't matter. Bad advice for growing up and living life if I ever heard it. <frowns> I suppose if some people want to follow that advice it's their business, but you'll never catch me trying it again. <shakes head> As for L. Ron Hubbard himself, I haven't ever read his dianetics books or any of his fiction, so I can't really make judgement on the guy. Doug likes the fiction, though, so maybe it's good, I don't know. Even if it is, I doubt the movie Battlefield Earth will be. Hollywood hasn't made a good action sci-fi thriller in years (Galaxy Quest was more of a comedy and I wouldn't call the Matrix sci-fi as much as gritty horror with a cool plot). Therefore I doubt I'll be seeing BE, and not just because doing so will contribute to the world's largest cult. :(

GXB: I saw Usual Suspects and I agree, Kevin Spacey was very good in it. The movie itself was also excellent, in terms of plot especially, even though the ending wasn't much of a shocker (I had it figured out halfway through Verbal's story). American Beauty was way better of course, hope it comes out on video soon.

Katara: <nods> I too was shocked when they killed off Billy like that. I will miss him, even though I didn't care for some things they did with his character this season. Hope his replacement is a much nicer, cuter, more sensitive, and all around more interesting guy. :) <reads work rant> Nice job airing your problems, good luck resolving them. I too am angered when people who are supposed to be mature don't act like it in the least. <mutters> Congrats on being able to go to Gathering 2001.

Warpmind: Whoops! Sorry about the confusion. Good luck with your RPG system (which sounds a bit interesting from what you told Doug). Good luck with your fanfics as well, I'm gonna have to start reading them one of these days. <mutters about my lack of free time>

Green Baron: <grins> Oh, don't worry, I have never been pro-union. My brother got to suffering their woes before I ever did and he turned me off to them during my teenage years (so did teacher strikes, since my parents always complained loudly to each other and us kids about the fact that no one- teachers or those who set their pay rates- really cares about kids learning whenever one started. This drove me nuts in a major way). The bad experiences with unions I talked about last time only solidified my dislike for them. I don't think I'm ever going to like them no matter how much good they've done workers in the past. <sighs>
<Atilla the Hun is lawful neutral, not evil> You know, in AD&D, one of the seven Hells is a place where people who are lawful neutral and have strong evil tendencies go. It is a harsh brutal plane full of neverending wars. I don't think Atilla the Hun was all that evil either, but I can't help wondering if he's the type that would enjoy a place like that in the afterlife. :)
Alignments: I've always liked this system too, even if it doesn't cover all the bases for human personalities it does come close. <grin> Put me down as chaotic good and Doug as neutral good. (He's going to a beautiful and relaxing paradise when he dies according to AD&D while I'll end up in a plane full of never-ending parties. You're all invited to the latter of course. :) <I'm lawful neutral> I agree, though I also see you as lawful neutral with good tendencies as opposed to lawful neutral by itself. That means you'll end up in the most well-ordered of the seven heavens- a very structured paradise where the rulers are benevolent dictators who do not tolerate corruption or evil of any kind. Don't know if you'll enjoy the place, I'd be careful if you do end up there. According to some of TSR's recent Planescape products, some of the plane's inhabitants have been getting so morally uptight they've made the whole plane start to drift away from the other heavens and join the more lawful neutral afterlife-realm of Mechanus (the place of gears and rigid order where folks like Preston Vogel end up, for those who see keeping order and following the rules as their main purpose in life). You better straighten these folks out when you meet them, okay? :) (Note- I do not really believe in the AD&D version of the afterlife, you know I'm a Christian same as you. I'm just talking about AD&D's view of things here as an excuse to kid.)
<Merlin Missy, Merlin Missy> I too want Merlin Missy to come back, or at least let us know she's alright. Same to all our absent friends, wherever they are. :(

Kaioto: Congrats on becoming Deputy Admin. I agree with Robby that you've got the right qualities for the job. BTW, I think both of you did a good job handling the recent crisis and reminding us all of the CR rules, even though if we didn't all like some of the results of your actions. :( I too would not like to be seen as one of the "do-no-wrong people" in this room, especially one of those who sees themselves that way (hate to say it but a lot of people were sure acting like that in the recent conflict). If we don't become able to recognize and anticipate our mistakes, we can't learn from them and we're in for a world of trouble. <sigh>

Censorship: They're doing it to Looney Tunes now? I'm not surprised, and some things in LT definitely deserve to be censored (the Japanese-bashing episode for example), but not the things that made it great comedy like the gun bits. <sighs> I'd accept this, but the fact that the censors have also gotten things that portray guns and what they can do realistically (like Deadly Force) taken off the air makes me unable. I really long for the day when we won't need idiots like the censors of the world to watch out for us, or when we are able to tell ourselves we don't <sighs>. I'm sure it's out there, and hope it's not far away.

Christine: Apology accepted, and I share in the feelings expressed in it even though I didn't help start the recent flame war and don't intend to continue it (glad you don't either :). Happy 33rd Birthday, hope you enjoy it (even the gifts Tim's gotten you that are really what he wants :). Sorry to hear your mom's going to have to go into chemotherapy, I too have had relatives suffer through it (most recently my father for prostate cancer) and it is no fun for the recepient or their family. I hope the chemotherapy ends quickly for your mother and has good results.

Madoc- Evil or Misunderstood?: I'm going to agree with all the people who say the guy is evil. Yeah, he may be able to justify his actions to himself and say they were necessary but like Emrys told him, that's the tyrant's plea. :) While I do agree that much of humanity needs direction, it will be a cold day in the fiery parts of Hell before I want someone like Madoc providing that direction. I don't like what humanity has done in the past for "our manifest destiny" either and I dislike even more what Madoc was going to do for it in the name of the fay's. And since what he did was bad, IMO, the case is pretty clear that Madoc is evil. Not sure if Oberon is too, I've always seen him as more of an arrogant prick who doesn't want to be bothered with other people's problems and wants everything to go his way. That's not what a good guy does IMO, but it ain't always what a bad guy does either. Oberon has done plenty of bad things in his time (leaving Umbriel (and Merlin in the Master Plan), trying to kidnap Alex etc.) but he's never to our knowledge actively pursued a campaign of conquest and murder like Madoc did. Not since the First Unseelie War anyway. (And yeah, I agree the things he did there were terrible, but at least Oberon was able to quit doing such things once the war was done. Madoc wasn't.) I wouldn't support Oberon for President, but I wouldn't want him to be executed for his crimes either. I just hope he's able to evolve past his current attitude, somehow (I know he does in Doug's fanfics, pray for the same in TGS). That's all I have to say about this. :)

**BEGIN SPOILERS FOR TIMEDANCER**

Nice job on Tale of Two Gates, Todd. I liked how the Charlegmane legends were brought into Gargs, they've always been among my favorite medieval stories (the Canterbury Tales and TGS Dark Ages are the only stories about medieval times I've liked better). Enjoyed the plot of this story as well, and the villain (nice touch at the end to make him an Unseelie worshipper instead of an Unseelie, that was somewhat of a surprise). Wonder when Brooklyn will actually get to witness Loki firsthand, I don't know if he can keep working well as just a threat lingering on the horizon. :) Very much enjoyed the sense of history you gave this latest Timedancer episode, and liked the lutins as well (at first I was wondering about them but at the end I thought they were neat and was sorry to know that they have to be gone in the present day. They were very nice characters, and I also liked the pic of one. :). Only two things I didn't like in this episode- first, the plot seemed a bit too linear, and second, everyone could have used more character development. Not just the paladins (their reactions to Brooklyn were done well, but they could have gotten more character dialogue than just what was related to that), but Brooklyn also. I am still missing the good emotional maturing processes he went through in Seasons 1 and 2 and am sorry they haven't been dealt with yet in Season 3. I also really hope the next crop of them for Brooklyn and Sata isn't far off (I also want to see Brooklyn and Sata raising their kids, not just have him come back to them one day and see them mature). Except for these nits, the ep was excellent. 8/10, thumbs up. Keep doing good work, and I hope to someday see the issues Timedancer has missed so far get addressed. :)

**SPOILERS END**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:43:10 AM
IP: pool-209-138-205-158-dlls.grid.net

Gah ... Typos Typos and More TYPOS!!! *groans* Not used to 2:00AM postings anymore ... *sloughs off to bed* X.x
Toku Kaioto
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:33:42 AM
IP: 1cust217.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Christine-Happy B-day, sad new about your mom though.

Is Madoc Evil or just misunderstood?- Well the reasons why he started these little wars might be questionable, but his actions proved that he was evil. He tried to wipe out an entire species and enslave another, so yeah I think he was evil.

J.A.D.E.N.: Journeying Android Designed for Exploration and Nullification.

D.A.V.I.D.: Digital Artificial Violence and Infiltration Device.

Could do my last name because it was more than 7 letters.
So I appear to be an artificial being which is supposed to Seek out new life and new civilizations and nullify them in an extraodinarily sneaky and violent way.

David Christensen= Sweaty Butcher- HUH?!

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:29:45 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

How you regard evil in a very real way depends upon what school of philosophy you ascribe to.

Ethical skeptics would tell you that evil might exist, but they’ll never find out enough to make even the most insignificant judgment.

Ethical Egoists would tell you that what Feels good at the time is the good thing to do. Of course, beyond the great number of problems inherent in the support of this theory the greatest problem is that ultimately, the most more person in the world is a sociopath, who does whatever feels good at the time, all the time. This theory is mostly a pile of crap because it makes ethics only apply so much as to each individuals emotions at the time. What someone does to you is moral, not by the nature of the act or the consequence, but how good the person feels about it at the time of commission. Any crime of passion would be a moral act, and any act of self-control or repression would be a sin.

Cultural Relativists have created a backwards little theory based on Sociological Relativism: The observation that cultures have differing moral values. From this observation, they commit the logical fallacy in assuming that because rational people disagree, no one can be correct. The decision is made that morality is determined by the cultural standards of whatever culture controls an area.

Originally popularized to oppose Colonialist values of “civilizing the savage,” cultural relativism is a self-contradicting theory from the start. It states at its core that there is no such thing as a universal moral virtue or law … and then in its second breath, it states a bunch of other contradictions, including extolling the virtue of tolerance of cultural difference that All people should respect.

The most glaring flaws in this system are the contradictions. A universal statement that there are no universal moral identities in itself creates a universal judgment about morals. Secondly, the virtue of tolerance in a system that permits no universal virtues. Thirdly, reform and counter-culture are immoral in Cultural Relativism as they oppose the standards that establish morality. Ironically, the cultural relativist movement began as a reform movement.

The ultimate problem with cultural relativism is that it refuses to allow us to judge the morality of any actions taking place outside of our geographical and temporal culture. Slavery and Nazism are MORAL under Cultural Relativism because they were the majority values of the culture that existed at the time.

Though well meaning, cultural relativism is a logically unsound and contradictory ethical theory that many people embrace as a way of copping out a the responsibility of judgment. In refusing to judge, we also refuse anyone else the right to criticize us. In refusing to confront conflicting points of view with critical analysis, we evade the responsibility of reflection and re-evaluation. Cultural relativism encourages stagnation and a lack of exchange and benefit from the very diversity it seeks to preserve though tolerance.

Surely, we should respect almost all other cultures and try to expand our horizons, but that does not mean that we must accept values or conclusions we have disproven by science, logic, or reason as equally valid as more informed principles. Surely, our culture values about leaving junk satellites might change its values if some second-generation tribesman from the Outback disapproved because of his values from his own culture. Imagine if he produced proof of the existence of extra-terrestrial visitors that his father’s people have known about all the time … now suppose they knew that leaving up space junk killed those aliens when they tried to land? In this case, this individual with the Wrong values for our culture, has proven us wrong in one of the assumptions we based our morals on. Now we have a more informed perspective to make a moral judgment about our space-sloppiness.

Then there is Utilitarianism, where good is measured by the maximization of pleasure and the minimization of pain. This theory crumbles on the basis that it doesn’t measure anything else of moral value other than pleasure, and even pleasure is not the same type of satisfaction that comes from a sense of honor, accomplishment, or friendship. It also does not take into account intention or grant anyone or anything rights outside of the equation of Hedonist Calculus.

Then there is Deontology, and the idea of Duty.

Kant believed that one should never violate a moral duty, because in the end, the break-down would deny people of their freedoms and human capacities due to deception, mistrust, and abuse. Most Deontologists, however, disagree with Kantian absolutism, and instead decide that while morals are Universal (applying to all people) one value and another can conflict and be chosen from differently under different circumstances. The main premise of Kantian and a few other schools of Deontology is that duty determines morality, so it is in acting as we best understand will fulfill duty that we are moral … Intentions, and not consequences, determines whether a person is moral in action.

Virtue Ethicists are close to the other Deontologist groups above, but they more closely examine that people determine and gain understanding of the proper values of moral right and wrong and prioritize them in each situation. The act of saving many lives outweighs the consequence of taking the life of another person. Example: in the instance of stopping a terrorist from detonating a bomb in a crowded building, you shoot him in the head before he can reach the detonator.

Rights Ethicists have a few odd camps. They concern themselves with what rights each person or thing has that puts a demand on everyone else’s freedom. The right to live without being murdered in the street, for example. Everyone can do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t cripple anyone else’s rights. The two crippling problems with this tend to be A.) Creating a Hierarchy of those who can most and least assert themselves (Ayn Rand) and B.) Everyone having to live their lives entirely for everyone else around them. Without some sort of limiting factor in the moral system, either everyone has a complete duty to every act and every moment of their entire life, or only those who can claim a right have that right. Either complete communist rule or Randian Les’se Faire (I can’t spell tonight). Some would say we have to treat monkeys like humans, and other would say we can treat the poor and minorities life animals. Unless there is a clear grounding for who gets what rights to what extent and why, this system falls apart.

Myself, I ascribe more or less to my own school of Deontology and Virtue ethics. I believe that Madoc was evil because his actions conflicted with my perception of the proper universal values and priorities, and that his motivation suffered from the same affliction. I think that Madoc put his own selfishness above other people’s rights to life and freedom. I think the Madoc behaved like a bully and a sadist, when he had a duty to both minimize the harm he caused, and also aid his fellow sentient beings. Madoc didn’t see things that way, his values put his own desire for power, Titania, revenge, and control over the well-being of billions of other people. Madoc put himself above all these other people, viewing himself as superior. I view each sentient being as equal in respect to those basic rights and the actions and responsibilities effecting those rights (criminals forfeit their right to freedom for a while when they are a danger to a lot of others).

My own view I’d support with the premise of treating people with the same respect for their best interest as you would wish for them to treat you. If my system were abided, the tables turning wouldn’t be bad for Madoc and a human no matter which one of them was the over-powered goober.

In Madoc’s view, might makes right … yet I think his tune would change very quickly if he were powerless in the face of some dangerous foe. {Like say … a Seeker? ;) }

Oberon, I also think is immoral in most respects. I think he’s too much of a spoiled child and too abusive of people for his own amusement. His sense of justification again comes from a belief in a sort of intrinsic inequality in worth between himself and the rest of the world, both his subjects and the other races. I think Oberon, however, does desire to be in the right more than her desires anything else, at the moment, however, and would likely be a good candidate for learning life lessons and reform.

Still, the first step would likely be to show him what it is like to live on the other side of the tracks.

Alright, this is far too long a post, but I wanted to get these schools of though out before I talked about why I think Madoc was Very Evil, and Oberon is continuously Slightly Evil … in the same sense we flawed humans tend to be Slightly Evil at one time or another. Humans a Fay alike run the spectrum from Damnable to Living-Saint, and generally fluctuate in between. I feel that the Fay, however, are more childish and arrogant because of their power, and thus base some of their judgments on poor personal values and assumptions about equality that I’ve learned to be false. In the same sense that a spoiled prince sees nothing wrong with letting a pauper be whipped for his mis-deeds, so can a Fay see nothing wrong with letting humans or gargoyles suffer for their own amusement. Of course, in the same respect, a wise prince might love and protect his subjects in the same way that a Fay might love and protect humans and gargoyles.

Power is a temptation, but not an absolute guaranty of corruption.

I think mostly I agree with David G. that it is not wanting for yourself that is in itself evil, but what priorities you put your own desires ahead of. Your Craving for chocolate doesn’t outweigh my Need for air to breath. What gets us into evil is generally putting our wants over someone else’s rights or needs. One desire over another gets a bit more of a gray area, but in all cases, a critical measurement on the proper scale of primary values can usually arrive at some sort of arrangement.

D&D> I’d label myself Neutral Good with Lawful tendencies. I value law and order as a way of preserving the Greater Good, but one of the greatest parts of that Good is freedom. ^_^

World of Darkness> Nature: Architect Demeanor: Pedagogue / Caregiver (depending on whether the situation needs solutions to a problem, or emotional support, or both).

Oh, and Happy Birthday Christine. ^_^

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:25:01 AM
IP: 1cust217.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

**Mecord enters wearing black in mourning for two friends who have left**

Jewel and Pistoff will be missed. I hope we meet again someday.

On a happier note, I’M BACK!!! :) Sorry I had to leave. I had to deal with a few personal issues. I can’t go into detail, but suffice it to say that demons (more real than you will ever know) whom I have encountered in the past sought to do battle with me. For a little while, it even looked like they might win. I, however, remain victorious. The wounds they left will take some time to heal, the scars may never fade. Right now I’m just trying to get my life back in order (or at least as much order as there was before). The collateral damage was extensive. The sad thing is that there is no one I can really tell. My friends and family are completely oblivious that any such struggle ever existed. Sometimes I feel kind of like that kid on “Sixth Sense” who has a secret he can never tell for fear of being locked up in the mental institute. Not that I ever laid claim to sanity, but the illusion of my sanity holds. I was always one of those “quiet ones” they tell you to watch out for.

Well, enough of my mental ruminations.

GB>> AD&D alignment, Mecord is a chaotic good that borders on neutral (chaotic of course) while the real me tends to be more of a lawful good that borders on neutral.

Daniel>> welcome from the land of the lurkers. My name is Mecord Lein the Elf. Always glad to meet a new friend.

Sorow>> Good luck.

Cyborg names. This one I thought very fitting.
M.E.C.O.R.D.: Mechanical Electronic Construct Optimized for Repair and Destruction
L.E.I.N.: Lifeform Engineered for Infiltration and Nullification
My real name proved a little scarry, as were my initials.
D.A.V.I.D.: Digital Artificial Violence and Infiltration Device
D.G.H.: Device Generated for Harm

I’ve always believed that if I were with my ancestors, the Vikings, I would have been a berserker. I spent most of my young life trying to check destructive tendencies (redheads do indeed have ugly tempers), but sometimes I still feel the rage within.

Wu names:
For Mecord I got, Partially-Formed Transformah. For my real name I got, Big Wicker Ventriloquist.

That’s all for now, RP tomorrow.

**Mecord fades out of this reality**

Mecord Lein
Saturday, April 1, 2000 02:23:32 AM
IP: usr38.mtwest.net

Hi everyone. Starting tomorrow, I'll try and keep up with the room but hell is going to commense for the next two weeks. I have spring show, drill team tryouts, and officer tryouts. It'll be hard to post everyday with school projects and crap, but I'll try. Wish me luck. I hope to come back to you as the captain of my drill team! If there's anything to come back to. :(

Christine> I'm so sorry I wasn't here for your birthday, but I don't think you would've wanted me to spank you. So I'll give you a hug instead. *hugs*

GB> Thank you. I love you so much, big brother.
SOROW
Saturday, April 1, 2000 01:03:21 AM
IP: dll2a030-0910.splitrock.net

David G- good points -- true, "All evil needs to thrive is for good men to be silent."

However- I have always thought gargs protected because it is part instictual- in the biology- not a moral code taught to them.
jenna
Saturday, April 1, 2000 12:06:54 AM
IP: 1cust156.tnt6.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

Jenna> Your post came in while I was typing my last one. Let me clarify what I said earlier. Selfishness is the CORE of evil, the seed from which it grows. Selfishness becomes evil when it leads to deliberate harm.

A child is not evil because he (or she) has not reached the point of development where he can really judge the consequences of his actions. If an adult matured in all other ways, but never stopped treating people the way a child would, then he might be evil. My religious upbringing has a concept called the "age of accountability." Somewhere around the time a kid reaches twelve years old or so, he (or she - but girls mature faster than boys) is sophisticated enough and knowledgable enough to really judge the effects of his actions on others. At that point (at least according to the Church of Christ I went to as a child) he becomes responsible for the sins he commits. Before that, he could do things that were wrong, but not sinful, because he was too innocent to sin. It's weird, I know, but it makes more sense than any other way of looking at the world that I've found.

I think the sadistic feeling you describe is certainly evil, but I think evil can be more passive as well. Of course, corruption is a big part of evil, and the feeling of superiority brought about by the beilef that what you want is more important than what everybody else wants probably leads down the path to that sort of thinking. It's hard to say when someone goes over the line from being misguided to being evil.

I also agree that no race can be good or evil, which is why I think "Gargoyles Protect" is a moral code, not an instinct. Reducing it to a natural drive steals the nobility from it. All the members of a race COULD be evil, but they all have equal chance to choose between good or evil. The choice is always on each individual, not on the whole race.

Has that sufficiently confused you? If not, I can go on. :)
Not tonight, though. Tomorrow I'm going to see if I can find an open real estate agent. We keep getting hail storms, and I have a car with a sun roof. I want a garage - or at least a car port.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:55:10 PM
IP: dll2a030-1165.splitrock.net

<<Mainly, you release people from the responsibility of atrocities committed against other cultures.>>

I agree with you, David_G.

after all, {to give a historical example}, when Muslim Spain was retaken by the Christians, they forciably converted the Jews...and those who wouldn't convert, were killed....

Rodlox
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:51:12 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

One more point-

regarding evil: Evil often comes in the form of rightousness, and wears the face of virtue. When it does so, never is it more sinister.

Wont' be on line much this weekend- as my MIke and I are going camping. ^_^
jenna
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:41:14 PM
IP: 1cust56.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

More Names: I did a few more for the various characters I've employed in my RPs:

K.A.R.I.: Killing and Accurate Repair Individual
S.A.M.M.A.E.L.: Synthetic Artificial Machine Manufactured for Assassination and Efficient Learning. (That's a mouthful!)
The H.O.U.N.D.S.: Hydralic Organisms Used for Nocturnal Destruction and Sabotage

And the WuNames:
Sammael Hell: Sheepish Lord of Chaos (I can see him digging that)
The Hounds: Greasy Choirboys
and Kari Kanbeapest: Ol' Filthy, Sweaty Bastard (But if you call her that, prepare to eat teeth)

Doug: So you're a Device Optimized for Ultimate Gratification, huh? Now THAT is a cyborg name I could really go for. I'm envious ;)

Brief news on X-Men Movie: While the first movie has wrapped up production, there's already talk of them turning this into a franchise. Apparently, the *2nd* X-Men movie is being planned even now. Word straight from X-Men director Bryan Singer's mouth is that the villains for the second film will be mankind and the Sentinels.
At first I was excited, cause I thought he was talking about Mankind, the wrestler (and let me tell you, Mr. Socko could lay the smackdown on Woverine's candy ass!), but then I realized he was just talking about us *normal* folks. Maybe by "mankind" he's referencing the Friends of Humanity.

Green Baron: I liked your RP. I see I'm not the only one who finds Al Gore's switch to a pro-Elian stance a rather interesting about face. Way to rake in those moderate voters, Big Al! Hats off to him--after all, if it wasn't for his tireless work, we'd not have the internet! *wink, wink*

David G.: This topic is oddly similar to the "Is Demona Evil" debate that raged several months ago. I thought your post was rather interesting, because we covered a similar subject in my ethics class recently. We were studying an essay written by a man named Delattre, who theorized that all of mankind is born with an initial impulsive nature. Basically, we are all born selfish. We have wants, desires, etc., and we want them fulfilled NOW. Overall, he essentially stated that this innate impulsive nature was bad, as it has little beneficial use beyond the basic for survival. Part of our discussion in the class was this impuslive nature--it was rather interesting, because in Christianity we call this behavior, this selfishness, sin. And, as we all know, sin is synonomous with evil.
I would agree with you that Madoc is evil. Oberon is a tougher case to decide; it's hard for me to say that he's truly evil. He's not psychotic like Demona or purely sociopathic like Madoc. But there is a level of malevolence to him that has to factor against him.

Gside: If you ask me, Cid VII was the coolest. Give me a Venus Gospel and a Highwind LB, and I'm good to go.

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:40:32 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Daniel Johnson> That viewpoint has some problems, in my opinion. Mainly, you release people from the responsibility of atrocities committed against other cultures. That may not be exactly what you meant by your comments, so before I say more, let me see if I understood you correctly:

"A person can only judge, or be judged, by the standards of his culture. Acts considered "evil" by other cultures are not evil for him if they are considered "good" or "neutral" in his culture."

Does that pretty much sum up what you meant? If so, I'll try to put together a counter argument in the next couple of days, because I totally disagree. If not, please correct me so we can discuss this rationally.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:37:41 PM
IP: dll2a030-1165.splitrock.net

Anne- hey there sweetie! Glad you liked the story and glad to see you here- I hope to meet my new "one ep a month" goal with chap 3 and Mars 2158- so both should be out in April.

As a result of the above, I may not be contributing much to the room sometimes, as the muse will be in possesion of me. But that doesn't mean I've left or not reading.

Evil-- evil equals selfishness. I disagree on this point. If that is the case, then there is no one more evil than a child first born- needing everything, and the center of his own universe. I believe it was St. Augustine who stated as such in his writings. Not to discredit him, but I hold to differing beliefs.

Selfishness as evil are common bedfellows, yes. But to me evil encompasses more than "selfishness". To me evil often has a sadistic feeling behind it- knowing something is foul, and enjoying doing it because it causes pain to others. Or not seeing your victims as human, and thus their pain is allotable.

I don't think one race is evil, or more so than the other. And I for one, No offense to TGS, never belived the more sinister Oberon who destorys Atlantis or drops off babies here and there. I think he wouldn't be as wasteful as he is pictured. Again, no offense to the writers of TGS.
To me I see a lot of people expecting Oberon and Titania to be perfect by default, or at least semiperfect because of the power they possess. But I don't see that- I think both have the ability for screwing up, and doing so majorly.

AS for Madoc- there seems to be a definate hint of maddness to him, at times. Ironically he is slain by the gargoyle Demona, who seemed to be no less psycotic than him in the series.
jenna
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:36:18 PM
IP: 1cust56.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

Dark Cyan (randomness)

Rutgers women lost the Final Four... Oh well...

Mr. Jensen> <<That business about his horse being named Papillon... are all part of the actual legends>>: Yes, but Butterfly is still a wimpy name for a knight's charger.

Daniel Johnson> <<We Shore-folk don't say "Joizey." That's a Northern dialect. Other people always think that all of us talk like that. It's such a stereotype>>: Speaking as someone who has lived about 5 minutes from Sandy Hook for 18 years, yeah, but it's still fun saying it that way.

Warpmind> Bestiality Nut: It was just a quote from a band's live album, and I just thought it could remotely possibly be barely tangentially applied to your stories as you have a standard (hermaphroditic?: "'We've told you before, Father Robert, we can't help it if our bread's buttered on both sides.'" what gender was that cat) anthropomorphic love interest.

Green Baron: <<Jewel Faulkner=Optimistic Lyricist>>: I told you! And no one believed me. (I really did not look her up there, and had decided on that title many moons ago)

CtB> Road to El D'Orado: Were there any Bing Crosby/Bob Hope jokes? The pattycake gag? (sung) "We're on the road to..."?
If it's got Kenny... (Kenny did a great job in Henry V)

Hiamhgold> <<good ol' Cid>>: How many Cids have there been now (V, VI, VII, VIII...)? And Wedge (VI, VII, CT...)?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:27:36 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Evil. What a great topic. That's what I like about this place. Is Madoc evil? Is Oberon? What IS evil? From whose point of view? Is it evil to use too many question marks? Hmm. I would define evil as behavior that is deliberately harmful to one's society. You can't be unintentionally evil. It has to be a choice. You KNOW that such behavior is wrong, but you don't care. You are all that matters. But, it also has to be destructive to society. YOUR society. Your culture. Now there are universal taboos in every human culture, like murder and incest. But every culture defines them differently. What is murder, and therefore evil, isn't the same everywhere.
Now, since we're talking about another species entirely, things get more complicated. The fay are a very different sort of being from us, and must have a correspondingly different point of view. Many of them see mortals as being fundamentally inferior. Madoc and Oberon included. Most of us eat meat of some kind. We don't consider the lives of animals to be equal to our own. But some people do. They deem the rest of us wrong. Are we evil? To them we are. And to us Madoc and Oberon both can seem evil. But are they evil within their own culture? Madoc seeks to deliberately cause death and destruction among both mortals and his own kind. I would call that evil within the context of his society. Oberon, however, obeys the norms of his own culture. He may not do anything to help mortals, but nothing in his beliefs says that he should. We're not important.
I guess I'm trying to say that "evil" is dependent upon our point of view. And the time and place we live in. I hope that makes some kind of sense. I have trouble saying what I'm thinking sometimes and can ramble on and on. Please feel free to tear my position apart if you disagree. I enjoy a good debate. Or is that an evil debate?

Warpmind: I double checked, and yes it's spelled correctly although I did cheat and leave off the accents. Oh, and please realize that if you put any more Disney songs into my head I shall have to hurt you. It's nothing personal. :) (Heh, my spell checker doesn't like "Disney." Smart little thing.)

Anne: Yes I've seen you around here before. Thank you for the welcome. And Happy Birthday!

And thank you to everyone else as well. I really wish I had had the courage to start posting earlier. But once I start, I rarely stop. :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:03:58 PM
IP: ppp-45.rb5.exit109.com

Back to Sky Blue
Begin DC Torture>> Spacebabie grabs DC wth one hand and holds a her glue gun in another. She shoots the hot clears sutff In DC's eyes glueingthem shut. She reaches into his throught and rips out his tounge before glueing his big yap shut.. She puts her new toy down and picks up a chainsaw, reving it up she cuts off the limbs of her foe
"To the Pain!"
END DC Torture tee-hee I got the idea from my favorite romantic movie.
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next half
B.iomechanicle
A.rtificial
B.eing
I.nteded for
E.xploration
My Wu name is for Spacebabie Embryotic Crusaider((I would have used my real name but I loved the results of my first attpemt. I also entered some of the names from BTVS and my fave was Xander Harris=Curly haired Slacker.

Wanna know how pure you are? How well is your love liefe, or if your a bitca? take some of the Spark tests
I'm 89 perecent pure
34 percent bitca
90 percent love
Millionare at 45
I'll live to be 85
and I'm not pregnant but I will have 3 hatchilings in my life
love peace gargs,penguins and stakes.
Spacebabie
Orlando, FL, U.S.A
Friday, March 31, 2000 10:49:29 PM
IP: user-37kapfq.dialup.mindspring.com

Aaron- Jubes em is hutch3@bellatlantic.net
jenna - [hutch3@bellatlantic.net]
Friday, March 31, 2000 10:34:41 PM
IP: 1cust56.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

Oh, and happy birthday Christine!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Friday, March 31, 2000 10:10:18 PM
IP: spider-wq053.proxy.aol.com

Apologies for the double-post ...

Christine, Crzy: Just curious, are you two having fun comparing the differences in your Jericho decals? ;)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, March 31, 2000 10:10:14 PM
IP: zzz-209252248093.splitrock.net

Been sick so I havnt had a chance to post till today.

Flame war>This has to be the worst flame war I've seen since I first came here, two people have left permanently. I think that one of the things that made it so bad was that everyone decided to get involved with it instead of letting Robby take care of it himself. It is ridiculous that we, most of whom are adults, cannot settle problems without it degrading into an argument.

Doug>I read your fic, I think it was really good, I dont see why the people who rated it before gave it only three stars {though it is now back at four}. I gave it four stars. I'll give you a bigger review next time I post.

I'll finish this when I have more time!
Bengali - [delphu@netscape.net]
Friday, March 31, 2000 10:09:34 PM
IP: spider-wq053.proxy.aol.com

Christine: Hmm ... **shudders** never really thought of that sort of use for the remote ... **pounds head into nearby wall to eradicate image from his mind**
Actually, I believe it's preprogrammed to only allow honest-to-God *cake* flavors. ;)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, March 31, 2000 10:07:43 PM
IP: zzz-209252248093.splitrock.net

*Hits herself on the forehead* D'oh!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRISTINE!! :)
Anne
Friday, March 31, 2000 09:40:39 PM
IP: 204-246-241-111.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Color= pale pink

Hey all! *Dances a happy dance with chibi-Claw and lil sister* I'm back!! I tried getting in earlier, but the CR was down. And, as I'm scrolling down...

*Makes sad face* *Chibi-Claw growls at the screen in shock, sickened horror*

Oh jeez...what the heck happened?!?! Wait, I know. *shakes head sorrowfully, staring at the craters made from bombs and burnt debris from flames* I'll really miss you Pistoff and Jewel. I hope that, if you're still here and reading this, that you know that I will really miss you guys. It's disheartening when we miss people we really care about and who leave over reasons that...well, let's not start this again. Just, I will sincerely miss you two with grief. :* (

*Inhales a fresh breath* Just to bring good news, I'm turning fourteen years old on April 2nd. WOOHOOO! In another year I get my LICEN$E! And Mom and Grandma are throwing a party...I don't think they know what they asked for. Hehe... >:)

Oh, this is a goodie:
A.N.N.E.- Android Normally for Nocturnal Exploration
Wonder how true that is...

Oh, this is a downer:
M.A.L.L.O.R.Y.- Mechanic Artificial Lifeform Limited to Online Repair and Yardwork

WU Goodies:

Anne-Fiendish Observational Comedian
Um... *blinks* Uh, yeah, that sounds like me... *Rolls eyes*

Mallory-Flailing Fanatical Killer
*Blinks again* Er...

I think I'll prefer to stay with Anne, definitely!!

XenaTrek> Welcome back, I too missed ya! :)

Daniel> Welcome to the CR! So your cozy here already? Great!! :) So you've been here long, aye? Remember me? {Probably not, oh well} *shrugs before cringing along with Warpmind as "Circle of Life" plays* *Claw shoots off a bazooka-* <BOOOOOM!> *-and the music box gets blasted, along with half the CR demolished. Claw grins sheepishly before beginning to fix up the mess* Um, well, that wouldn't be the first time half the CR got blown up somehow... Well, it's good to know that with the new people coming into the fandom, renewed hope comes with them, even if no one realizes that. The elders contribute, the new ones contribute, it's a great thang... *grins stupidly*

Jenna> I'm here! :) I recently read second part of Misbegotten Son saga, it was really good. The nameless gargoyle's fate kept me holding my breath...and now ya got me dying to know what's going to happen next. :)

I'd love to contribute to the Madoc good/evil thingy but I *have* to catch up on Timedancer! I be back soon! ^_^

Bye all! *Runs outta the CR*
Anne
Friday, March 31, 2000 09:37:30 PM
IP: 204-246-241-111.nas2.apv.gblx.net

Coyote > any flavor??? Hmm ... (great, there goes my train of thought; Crzy's standing behind me laughing from the bottom of her feeeelthy mind! <g>). Surprise me!

Green Baron > yeah, isn't that what always happens ... the husband gets the wife what _he_ wants for _her_ birthday ... electronics, power tools, a woman ... ; )

Birthday stuff > was a wonderful one; everyone's catering to my various obsessions ... I got Obi-Wan stuff, the pirate story (up to Stephen when he wants it made available for public consumption; he may want to add the second half first), etc. Crzy is here and we are going to go see El Dorado tomorrow, maybe take in the Seattle Center on Sunday (brunch at the Space Needle, Fantasia 2000 at the IMAX, etc). Becca is loving the attention and being a total fiend.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 31, 2000 09:34:17 PM
IP: 06-070.009.popsite.net

XenaTrek> welcome back!! I've missed you! Thanks so very much for all of your help :) Den and I have had fun making plans for our week in Orlando!! Denis wanted to know about a good comic book store and I wanted to know about a good mall - both that are fairly close to the hotel, if possible.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

ohboy.. Cyborg and Wunames... hehehe

J.A.N.N.I.E. Journeying Android Normally for Nocturnal Infiltration & Exploration
J.A.N. Journeying Artificial Neohuman
D.E.N.I.S. Device Engineered for Nocturnal Infiltration and Sabotage
D.E.P.L.A.E.N. Digital Electronic Person Limited to Assassination & Efficient Nullification

Wunames: *still laughing*
Jannie Jan - Flailing Fanatical Killer
Denis Malkavien - Well-liked Assman I'm not lying! that's what it said! LOL how true it is! *g*
De Plaen - Inebriated Assistant

Thanks, guys! a hearty laugh is just what the doctor ordered!

*grabs Denis by his Wuname and strolls out* ;D
Jannie
Friday, March 31, 2000 09:16:29 PM
IP: 216-90-185-197.hou.port.mytelco.com

Hmm...let's see...

NIAMHGOLD: Nautical Infiltrating And Mechanized Humanoid Geared for Optimized Level Destruction

Well, you gotta admit...Niamhgold is a hard name to Cyborgize!

Wilek: <There wouldn't happen to be a chibi Edea?> Yep, there's one of her, and pretty much anyone else (except Raine...too bad). There's even one of good ol' Cid :)

Green Baron: Boy, you sure have your life all mapped out, huh? :} MBA in what, exactly, might I ask?

Uh...all for now!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 31, 2000 08:13:31 PM
IP: ncia66n.ncia.net

**strolls into the room** My registration's in the mail. Should be getting to its destination within the next few days ... **anxiously awaits**

More Wu-Names: These seemed to be a little more fun than the acronyms ... let's see here, I tried some character names ... interestingly enough, one character with two names came up differently each time.
Rose Maza: Tha Lonely Donkey Kong
Rosanna Maza: Auxilliary Priest
Torrent Maza (future character): Temporary Spastic
Steve Bluestone: Bastard, BASTARD HarbourMastah
Tommy Walker: Childish Gambino
Rain (I gave him the last name Coyoteson to get a Wu-Name): Illegitimate Muslim Fundamentalist

Something that might be interesting, my mother's name (Joanne Martinez) *also* came up as "Childish Gambino."

Happy Belated Birthday to Christine. WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!
**moving crew brings in one of the larger Execution^TM cakes they've produced**
Here's your cake. **hands remote to Christine** Pick yer flavor. :)

Wilek: "Nani" is a Japanese word used normally as a surprised "WHAT?!" You hear it a lot in anime ... matter of fact, Mara's used it in her MSTings ('twas her reaction to my *desire* to be MSTed.).

**WARNING, SPOILERS AHEAD FOR "ROAD TO EL DORADO"**

Now, lemme say one thing right away ... I'm kind of familiar with the story of the Lost City of Gold, El Dorado, but think of it more in automotive terms (i.e. the Cadillac Eldorado, the first front-wheel-drive luxury coupe put into production).

Now ...

The movie was great.
I can definitely tell you, this would be one project Disney would've passed on because it's not pandering enough to their target audience (the 2-10 age range). This is definitely for older viewers, it's a bit higher on the maturity scale than, say, "Pocahontas." (Chel's design would've *never* made it past Disney S&P, she's too curvy, her costume's too skimpy, and she shows a *hell* of a lot of cleavage) Not just in the artwork, though, the situations and dialogue were on a higher age level ... this film takes on Mayan culture head-on, especially the issue of human blood sacrifice.
Character interaction was awesome ... the two con men have great chemistry, and the love story is understated enough for it to not get in the way of things (it almost seems like another con). The action's great too, in more ways than one (plenty of excitement and humor, and just a little suggestive stuff, as well, yet *another* thing Disney would've never done).
If DreamWorks is attempting to produce an American equivalent to *serious* Japanese anime ... they've got a ways to go (the songs are done similarly to Tarzan's, they're performed off screen except for one sung by the two con men ... true, it's a real good soundtrack done by Elton John, but just the fact that it *needs* a musical-style score to be successful in the US is a sad statement about the state of American animation). But they're getting there. All they need to do is ditch the Disney production-number mentality and they'll be set, they've already come as close to the maturity level as you can expect an American studio to get.
Altogether ... it's well worth the money. Go see it.

**END SPOILERS!!**

And with that ... awaaaay we go ... **jogs out of the room**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, March 31, 2000 07:56:20 PM
IP: zzz-209252248172.splitrock.net

Green Baron: <<Rodlox> You have never responded to my posts.>>

oops. sorry.

<>

you criticized me? sorry, but i don't recall that...{which may be for the best}....i've got a reverse-GroundHog Day syndrome.

<<BTW, I think my cat sells some watches with your name in his markets in Russia, South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand :) >> _Rodlox_ watches?

Does R.J. Sawyer know?

{yes, i informed him, just in case i was stepping on any toes}.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Friday, March 31, 2000 07:27:44 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

hey there GB- I'm here.

Anne are you here? Was thinking about you today.

Int. comments on madoc/oberon- I have something in the works right now "The first ragnarok"- lets just say my take on the fae twins will be ..different.

and finally- most importantly-- to absent frinds..you are missed
jenna
Friday, March 31, 2000 06:50:57 PM
IP: 1cust214.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

GREEN BARON - Speaking of Attila, have you ever read the Nibelungenlied, a medieval German epic? I started reading it but never finished it - however, what would probably interest you about it is that in it, Attila appears as a major character (under the name of Etzel) as a wise and noble king, who is horrified by the dreadful, almost Demona-ish slaughter that his wife Kriemhild inflicts upon her family for killing her first husband Siegfried. Definitely not the way that most people view Attila, but it might be closer to your interpretation of him.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, March 31, 2000 06:50:15 PM
IP: 216.87.46.172.dialup-stl.primary.net

Cyborg Acroynyms:
David: Digital Artificial Violence and Infiltration Device
Goodner: General Obedient Organic Designed for Noctournal Exploration and Repair

Wu Tang names
David Goodner - Ol' Mucky Terrahawk (ok, whatever...)
Robert Goodner - Excitable Misunderstood Genius (that's cool)

Alignments:
AD&D - Neutral Good
Palladium - Scrupulous.
World of Darkness - Nature Caregiver, Demeanor Autistic - but since I don't want you to know my secret inner self, I'm probably lying.

Comments:
GB> I actually prefer the Palladium allignments (which is pretty much the only thing I prefer from Palladium...). I'd call Oberon an Abberant, and Madoc Diabolical. Your AD&D choices are pretty much right on.

I wasn't too complete on my Oberon essay. I only put in enough to make my point. He has been pretty scumy here and there.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 06:20:22 PM
IP: dll2a020-0001.splitrock.net

Hiya all! I've returned from sunny Florida to not so sunny Cleveland to find much discussion and the tgs server down. Which means I can't read the new TimeDancer. *insert string of Russian swearwords in...still haven't gotten over my Disney English swearing ban.* Oh well. Anyway, can someone fill me in on what brought about the acronyms and discussion about Gargoyle mamary glands?
Delwyn Adara - [janie@stratos.net]
RBC, Ohio, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 05:21:30 PM
IP: pm3-11-10.dial.stratos.net

GB> Put me down as chaotic neutral. And Stormy's car down as chaotic evil. ;)

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 04:55:12 PM
IP: ppp-235.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

RP WARNING!!!
**Havana, Cuba
Fidel Castro sits at the center of his cartel style table with Buddy the Dog sitting next to him, panting like a slobbering moron (Buddy, not Castro). Also at the table are Maxine Waters, Rep. Henry Waxman, the evil sleazy lawyer Greg Craig, and Al Bore.

"You well earn your high fees, Comrade Craig, in our plans to take back Elian and make him my successor. We shall submit him to the brainwashing that is Cuban eductaion.

"Comrade Gore, I find your plan most ingenious. By taking a seperate position, you shall fool them and get elected Preisdent. Then, you can send a peacekeeping mission to help me retake Grenada."

"Comrade Castro, it is time for me to have another interview. If only they knew that Elian will be your slave and not raised by Juan Miguel Gonzalez. I also have the poisons in his system. If he tries to defect, I will not grant him the temproary antidotes."**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!

Now, my mood is better. Much better :)

Time Dancer Spoilers**

A Tale of Two Gates

I liked the use of Charlemagne and the use of lutins. Honestly, Todd I didn't read it when I made that joke. I always thought Brownies woudl eb children of Oberon, because they seem to me fairfolk. Of course, in AD&D redcaps are shown as evil brownies.

I also like how the humans were involved with the Unseelie. Gives me an interesting diea about Oliver Cromwell. It seem smuch better than making him an Unseelie outright.

A Merrier Hour

I must say this was a nice start up. Brooklyn has not yet felt the shock of being away from Sata. He has also seen Puck in a servant's role and some mention was made about Robin Hodd which I liked. This was another good episode.

END SPOILERS**

Christine> I'm really sorry to hear about your mothera nd I odubt she's much odler than my own. My own mother is in remission for leukemia and I think its been either 20 or 30 years now. I think it was before I was born so probably closer to 30.

Spacebabie> I kind of guessed what Ciderhouse had, because it was based on a novel by that pr*ck, Irving. I also have an inetrsting article about it by John Leo. Just click on my name.

Shadowrider> Probably a betetr reason than I get. With New Orleans, we have a river seperating us form those dirty smelly westbankers :) and a lake that forms the Northern border, along with the Gulf of Mexico not much farther down. The levies can preevnt a lot fo flooding, but when it floods, it can get bad.

Do not feel responsible. You just made a newbie's error that was more a catalyst than a cause. If you didn't something else would.

Welcome to the fray, Daniel Johnson.

Doug> Well, Pat Buchanan is no longer a Republican, and if I let that one quote turn me against you, I'd be a major d*ckhead :) Actually I rememebr your first post response to me about AD&D alignments and you disagreed with me about Demona and were afraid that it could cause a fight. On an odd note, that's one thing I loved about D&D was alignments. What alignmnet woudl you give yourself. I'd define myself as lawful neutral.

TGS flaming policy> Personally, I think a flame should be punished with an immediate three day banning. Maybe some temporary bans would be effective in cutting that behaviour down.

Airwalker> I was wondering where you were. Posting your name made you post. HMMMMM....

Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy,Merlin Missy.

I hope that has some effect :)

Rodlox> You have never responded to my posts. I hope I didn't upset that one time I criticized you.
BTW, I think my cat sells some watches with your name in his markets in Russia, South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand :)

David G> We both agree. I consider oberon LE and Madoc NE

Starsinger and Spike> My mother is 54. She beats both of you :)

Jenna> Please comment soon. Waiting will only postpone icebreaking. Tense moments are best for happier posts.

Todd> I guess I have a more inclusive view of evil than most. I woudl put Oberon as mildly evil, but nowhere as bad as Madoc. On the otehr hand, I'd rank Attila the Hun as Lawful Neutral, while most will consider him evil. I'm weird that way.

Niamhgold> My parents were 28, so I planned to one up them by 35. I beleive in a two eyar engagement period and I woudl like to have my MBA before I get married. I woudl also like a net worth fo one million dollars, but I'll see about that one. I guess I can make that my limit before I consumate the marriage :) Gotta have investments when I have kids, even if tehy will get few non-eductaional toys and I consider family vacations a form of child abuse. I plan to raise kids cheaply :)

Silverstar> I cna think of lots I forgot now. That list was just those I could think up, then.

Christine> Tim should enjoy having Crzy and you for a weekend :)

Robby> I did soem robot stuff. Here are my results:

G.B.: General Being
G.R.E.E.N.: General Robotic Efficient Exploration Neohuman
B.A.R.O.N.: Biomechanical Artificial Replicant Optimized for Nullification
T.H.O.M.A.S.: Transforming Humanoid Optimized for Mathematics and Accurate Sabotage
M.U.L.D.R.U.P.: Mechanical Upgraded Lifeform Designed for Repair and Ultimate Peacekeeping
L.O.G.A.N.: Lifeform Optimized for Galactic Assassination and Nullification
F.O.R.S.Y.T.H.: Functional Obedient Replicant Skilled in Yardwork and Terran Harm

I also did one on my cat
A.T.T.I.L.A.: Artificial Technician Trained for Infiltration and Logical Assassination

That was fun. Whee!!!

GXB> I agree about a need for civility. If i do get upset by what someone says, I just suck it in and except for some nagging stomach and chest pains, I'm fine.

SJ> Your is fun too

Thomas Forsyth = Big Wicker Ventriloquist
Green Baron=Eight-Legged DJ
Attila Forsyth=Gratuitous F-REEK

And in honor of our firneds who ahve left the CR

Jewel Faulkner=Optimistic Lyricist
Fred Kerns=Cybernetic Tiger

Gside> Bestilaity? Now, you scared Attila :)

Wilek> All that Freudian stuff with my moter ended when I turned about 9. Now, I do not even love her anymore. She also makes me uncomfortable. I'll be so glad to be living off campus next year.

Calliope> My parents refused to teach me, but pressured me to drive.

David G.> Don't forget that Madoc killed Umbriel and Oberon knocked up a girl and left her to take care fo both of them.

Stormy> <<Big Gay Mule.>> That sounds like a South Park episode waiting to happen:)

RESUME RP!!
**Atlanta
Ted Turner and marshall Applewhite are at a meeting.
"Marshall, I knwo our enemies will be coming. I want you to lead your cult as our first defense line. If you say no. I'll kill all of you. Is that clear?"**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, March 31, 2000 03:51:42 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

ROTFLMFAO at Wu-Tang names!

Now, I didn't like the permutations of my RL name, which ended up giving me

Undiscovered Bum
Violent Toilet Thing
Touchy-Feely Unpublished Poet

(blatently untrue on the unpublished thing, and I have the anthology to prove it. ;)

But, for all you Wagner fans out there, I found it rather appropriate that ol' Richrd S. Wagner's name translated to

Bastard, BASTARD HarbourMastah

Now THAT is SO TRUE! *tries to imagine Wagner in rapper clothes.*

Hey, now that's an interesting picture...

WAGNER: Get away from the sketchpad. I MEAN IT...

Vehicon Captain Stormrave, my Transfomer alter ego, got

Ol' Mucky Terrahawk. Fitting for an aerodrone/Seeker.

Of course, if I put "Vehicon Captain" in as the first name, I got

Big Gay Mule.

I think not.

Completely unrelated, but anyone want to see AWESOME piece of robot art, my friend did this for me. Meet Ritterkreuz...

Stormy - [<--Ritterkreuz, on the hunt]
Friday, March 31, 2000 03:16:44 PM
IP: vulpecula.huron.uwo.ca

Hi ya'll. I got several cool Cyborg names, but I left my list at home. I'll have to check my Wu Tang name. Maybe I'll post them later.

Now, even though no one demanded it...
David G's Obnoxiously Long Post on the subject of Evil.

As I said before, I consider Madoc to be evil. More provativly, I also consider Oberon to be evil. In the paragraphs to follow, I will attempt to explain my point of view. I'm slightly nervous about this, since a discussion of deeply held moral beliefs is likely to be somewhat controversial.

For that reason, I humbly request that well thought out, civil additions to the discussion be posted in this CR, but venomous tirades on the subject of my stupidity, bigotry, or parentage be e-mailed to me personally. Actually, I'd prefer that you just keep such comments to yourselves, but far be it from me to interfere with your freedom of expression. :)

Thank you.

Now, on with the show. First of all, let me explain my premis. The core of what most people think of as evil is selfishness. This is not to say that having any selfish thoughts at all makes one evil, but someone who has NO selfish thoughs is definantly not evil (mentally ill, perhaps, but not evil). Selfishness is, in essence, the belief that what you want is more important than the desires of other people. Depending upon what you want, that can easily lead to harm. It is at the point when selfish desire leads to harm of others that someone becomes evil.

Some examples:
-The early Americans wanted land, and didn't care who was using it. Their desire for land was not evil, but their willingness to take it from the natives WAS.
-Adolf Hitler wanted power. Nuff said.
-Drug users want their next hit. Eventually they're willing to steal, debase themselves, or kill to get it.

Some Gargoyles examples, along with counter examples:
-Xanatos wanted some pet gargoyles. He was willing to put them in danger, make attempts on thier lives, and hurt their friends in his efforts to control them.
-Elisa Maza wanted to befriend the clan. She protected them and provided them with resources - all at considerable personal risk.

-Demona wanted her clan to control the castle. She was willing to let vikings kill the humans she had sworn to protect (or at least her Elders had).
-Goliath wanted to improve hs clan's lot as well. He put up with Kathrine and the Magus, rising above their pettiness rather than stooping below it.
(I know saying Demona is evil will get me into trouble. It always does. Let me make this clear: I REALLY LOVE DEMONA, A LOT, BUT SHE'S STILL EVIL. Actually, these days she's kind of reformed, but she was definantly evil all through the animated series)

-Thailog wanted money and power. In his efforts to acquire both, he stole, attempted murder, and violated the bodies of several gargoyles and one human. He also betrayed trust placed in him.
-Halcyon Renyard also wants money and power, but is unwilling to compromise his honor to get it, and makes restitution for the harm he does. (did, since he's dead now, I guess)

The point is that the desire is not evil, but the willingness to do harm is.

Now we come to Madoc and Oberon:
Madoc wants to rule the fey, and all of the earth. It's his birthright, since he has as ligitimate a claim to the throne as Oberon. He's willing to commit murder, fratricide, even genocide in the pursuit of his goals. Furthermore, he comes to take pleasure in the destruction he can wreak. The All Hallows Eve raid he conducted served no purpose other than to inspire fear and cause pain.

It's easy to categorize his actions as evil. His megalomania, cruelty, and casual violence are obviously harmful to others. The argument that other rulers have done the same things does not excuse him at all. THOSE actions were evil, too. I can not think of a single real world example of a "good" war of conquest, no matter what the participants thought they were doing. Individual people might have been good, or at least not malignantly evil, but the whole efforts WERE evil.

Then there's Oberon. He also wants to rule the fey. He doesn't want to enslave mankind, which is nice of him. Some of his views are even very just and honorable. Oberon is certainly a less terrible evil than Madoc, since his motives are less likely to cause harm when he acts them out. Also, Titania is sneaky and manipulative, but ultimately good. She exerts a subtle influence on Oberon to keep him from getting out of hand. However, I still think he's an evil person in some important ways.

First of all, he imposes his honor code on others without considering motive, situation, or any deeper meaning their actions might have. His code of conduct seems to be based on control and what's "proper" rather than any moral motives. My theory is that he's rigidly enforcing what his father believed without really understanding it.

Second, he doesn't consider himself fallible. His belief in his own importance is so strong that he can brook no defiance to his will. This leads him to do unnecessary harm. For instance, I can imagine few punishments more cruel than imprisoning the Puck forever in the body of Owne Burnette - with one stone hand, no less. He also doesn't take advice very well, either dismissing ideas he doesn't agree with, or actually attacking anyone bold enough to disagree with him.

Third, he doesn't take responsibility for his actions. (Everybody who knows me knew that I was going to get around to that, didn't you?) This was most illustrated in his conduct of the Unseelie War. He claimed that to engage Madoc directly would endanger the world, which was probably true. However, leaving the gargoyles and their allies completely unaided was unconscionable. All over the world people died, and he could have helped, at least covertly. Madoc was Oberon's responsibility from the moment Oberon became king. Therefore, he bears some responsibility for everything that happened in the 10,000 years after Madoc's exile.

To conclude, I want to make it clear that Oberon doesn't have a classically evil personality. In some ways he's very admirable, in fact. However, the outcome of many of his actions is harmful, and he doesn't accept the responsibility for that harm, or try to undo the damage he's caused. (As a counter-example, Goliath did considerable harm to Renyard in Awakenings, but didn't really become evil because he took responsibility and made ammends.) Oberon's reform would be fairly easy, even easier than Demona's since his personal honor code really is good at its core. However, until he learns to see himself honestly and to forgive others, he will ultimately cause harm rather than good.

This concludes David G's Obnoxiously Long Post. Be sure to tune in the next time I decide there's something I need to waste several lines of text talking about. :)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 02:34:17 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Today is the birthday of major cool guys Christopher Walken and Ewan McGreggor. And some dork named Al Gore (AKA Jive Talkin' Choirboy)

A.A.R.O.N.: Artificial Android Responsible for Observation and Nullification

Wu name: Partially-Formed Transformah (The Hell?)

Caliope> Yes, there is an animated Mini-Goddess show. I got to watch about 8 episodes. They're very short. But the Godzilla parody is hilarius. And there're about a million Chibi-Urds running around. Mmmmm Urd.

Does anybody know the e-mail addy for Jubilee, the G2K con head? I've misplaced it, and I want to check on my registration. Thanks.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 02:31:39 PM
IP: ppp-170.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

*Warpmind enters, looking around.*
Hullo, bunch.

Daniel Johnson: Welcome. Glad to see that, while we lose some, new ones arrive. There seems to be balance. *Looks suddenly terrified, as Elton John's "Circle of Life" begins to play in the background.*

Doug: Glad you liked the little creativity demon. I, too, hope it gets enacted. If the TGS staff wishes to use it, you hereby have my written permission. If you intend to use this permission, let me know, in case others wish to use this idea, as well. (Heck, I know *i'm* not likely to use it, so someone should be allowed to.)

Christine: So *you* were the recipient of that pirate furry story? Hmmm... shall I turn to flattery, bribery or extortion to get to see it? :) (I saw pics from it in Spike's Elfwood Gallery.) Great to hear about Black Roses. Not-so-great to hear about your mother. *Sends out positive vibes.*

Cyborg names: Pity the damned thing can't handle more than seven letters... well, here goes.
I.N.Z.A.N.E.: Intelligent Networked Zombie Assembled for Nocturnal Exploration
Or my given name...
M.A.R.I.U.S.: Mechanical Android Responsible for Infiltration and Ultimate Sabotage
Does anyone else feel a little creeped out? ;)
I gotta see what my fanfic characters are as well...
M.A.N.X.I.N.E.: Mechanical Artificial Neohuman eXperienced in Infiltration and Nocturnal Exploration
J.A.S.O.N.: Journeying Android Skilled in Observation and Nullification
Okay, those two are *really* creeping me out...

Archwolf: Hey, I'm with ya on the guard thing. I myself consider it blind fortune that my right hand is still 100% functional after that mock duel. Believe you me, I'd much rather have a proper sword than a rapier. (Not to insinuate that I don't consider rapiers as proper swords; they just seem a bit too gentleman-ish for my tastes. Give me something I can things with the flat side of.)

Wu Name:
Warpmind de InzanE = 100-Watt Warlock
Marius Blomkvist = Top-Heavy Hookjaw
(And as a joke, I'll enter my fanfic characters, as well)
Manxine Katz = Grand Moff Puppeteer
Jason Evermore = Contagious Specialist

Gside: Bestiality Nut? Me? Umm... I think you had better read a little more... that is *NOT* something I want associated with my name. Nor do I consider it anywhere near appropriate... Oh, and I know calling Christine Revered is just an honorific. I never questioned that in the first place. (By the way, who was the guy that did?)

Wilek: Why burn Windows onto blank CDs just to shoot them? The answer, my friend, is quite simple. Justification. You're not stupid; the answer, I fear, was just too simple.

Caliope: Now, why would I be wantin' to steal a big, noisy, expensive, polluting piece of metal, leather and plastic, eh? :)

Daniel Johnson: Excuse me, but "Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo"? I'm not too fluent in the Elven languages, but I think there's a typo there... Of course, that may just be my neurons messing with me again. ;)

Well, that's it, humanoids etc.
Catch ya later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, March 31, 2000 02:11:37 PM
IP: mp-217-199-141.daxnet.no

The color is cyan by the way. Hope no one minds.

Gside: Now, now. We Shore-folk don't say "Joizey." That's a Northern dialect. Other people always think that all of us talk like that. It's such a stereotype.
I've never seen any action figures around here, but I never thought to look. There is one shop with ordinary gargoyle statues. Little ones. I heard someone complain that they looked scary. I just rolled my eyes.
And yes, we do have a summer tent colony: that sect is called the United Methodist Church. :) We also have the Great Auditorium which, IIRC, is the largest wooden structure on the East Coast at least.
As for the water, I don't know about the rest of the state, but half the people in this town are nuts and the other half are almost nuts. I'm not sure what half I'm in; I'll have to ask the voices.

My, but we have a lot of Tolkienologists in here.
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo.

Wu name> Ultra-Chronic Monstah
->Okaaaaay
D.A.N.I.E.L.: Digital Artificial Nocturnal Infiltration and Exploration Lifeform
->Not bad.
J.O.H.N.S.O.N.: Journeying Obedient Humanoid Normally for Sabotage and Online Nullification
->Don't like the obedient part.
D.B.J.: Device Built for Judo
->That's more like it.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 11:19:24 AM
IP: ppp-4.rb5.exit109.com

Wu Name> Peter Bijl: Homicidal Terrahawk

Cyborg Name> P. E. T. E. R.: Person Engineered for Troubleshooting and Efficient Repair
B. I. J. L.: Biomechanical Intelligent Judo Lifeform

Most amusing :)

Happy Birthday Christine!
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Friday, March 31, 2000 10:40:06 AM
IP: dial-23.ocis.net

Hi Hi!

Warpmind> Oh, I know, but with me its a thing of dignity, my yonger bro cant get it before me or I'll never hear the end of it! Besides, knowing how to drive makes it easyer to steal a car, doesnt it?! ;P

Green Baron> Hmm, I see...I dont think you have to pay insurence here unless you actualy have a car, I donno...but thats a better excuse than the one I had! Pure Lazzyness! Well, that and that my mother refused to teach me how, so now I'm taking lessons....*mumbbles something about little brats and getting his licence first and strangling* :P

Aaron> Hey! They made and anime movie about the mini Goddesses?! Or is it just the manga?

Eh, I gotta go! I'll see you guys!!! *HUGZ*
Caliope
Friday, March 31, 2000 08:51:07 AM
IP: 136.145.70.210

Rodlox> No need to apologize. I wasn't sure whether or not you knew the origin of the Fay in TGS

Nice Creativity Demon, btw
Greg Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 31, 2000 08:01:32 AM
IP: 166.109.44.133

A little more on the background of Ogier and Huon, the two paladins in "A Tale of Two Gates", which I promised to get into last night.

They're both "actual" figures in the Carolingian legends (although I don't think that either one was historical in origin, as Charlemagne and Roland were). Ogier was a Danish knight who was in Charlemagne's service, although from time to time, they quarreled. The interesting part of his story is that he came to the attention of Morgana la Fay, who spirited him away to Avalon before the end of Charlemagne's reign and kept him there as her lover; she briefly allowed him to return to France a couple of centuries later to fight for Hugh Capet, the founder of the Capetian dynasty in medieval France that took over from Charlemagne's weaker successors, and then brought him back to Avalon. (There's a rather good fictional work about him called "Three Hearts and Three Lions" by Poul Anderson). That business about his horse being named Papillon, his sword Curtana, and his heraldic device are all part of the actual legends.

Huon's case in the original tales about him is perhaps even more "Gargoyles-connected"; he was actually a sort of godson to Oberon. Oberon in the Huon legend is (for the most part) quite different from the Oberon we know; here, he's the son of Julius Caesar and Morgana, and looks like a three-year-old child, even being trapped at that height (some might say that the Oberon of "Gargoyles" ACTS like a three-year-old child, of course:) due to a curse placed upon him; he befriends Huon on his adventures and gives him much assistance, including a magical horn. At the end of Huon's adventures, Oberon brings him to Avalon and, since his time is almost over and he knows it (he's not immortal, apparently, in this legend) appoints Huon his successor to the rule of the fay and King of Avalon. King Arthur (who's on Avalon in this story, but not magically asleep) shows up at the official ceremony to argue that if anybody's going to succeed Oberon to the rule of Avalon, it should be him; Oberon, in the one moment of the story where he acts like the Oberon of "Gargoyles", angrily retorts that he's already declared Huon his heir, is not going to change his mind, and tells Arthur to put up with it or be turned into a werewolf. Huon steps in as a peacemaker to point out that he doesn't consider himself quite up to ruling Avalon on his own, so why not he and Arthur rule it as co-kings? Arthur and Oberon agree to this solution and it goes forward, after which Oberon dies and his soul is taken up to Heaven.

Needless to say, I doubt that these legends are actually true in the Gargoyles Universe (the Huon one definitely clashes with "Gargoyles" on Oberon's status, as you've no doubt noticed, and as for the Ogier story, the impression that I got from the series is that Arthur was the only human admitted to Avalon on a long-term basis before Oberon and Titania's divorce in 995), but they do afford a basis for Ogier and Huon's familiarity with the unusual (such as fay and gargoyles).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, March 31, 2000 07:10:56 AM
IP: 216.87.46.106.dialup-stl.primary.net

Hey everyone,

I thought I'd drop in for the nifty name-interpretations.

E.N.T.I.T.Y.: Electronic Networked Terran Infiltration and Troubleshooting Youth.

J.O.N.: Judge Optimized for Nullification. I'm the only Judge I know of :)

Jonathan Cotleur: The Prickly Comedian

<<<Replicant Optimized for Battle and Basic Yardwork>>>

LOL... the most unique combination yet :)

<<<Todd- Technician Optimized for Destruction and Deduction>>>

Somehow appropriate :)

Alexander Thailog = Dizzy Cow?! Okay, a simple "lol" just can't express the heart-wrenching laughter I just endured...
Entity
Friday, March 31, 2000 01:38:21 AM
IP: nic-30-c37-089.mw.mediaone.net

**comes in too late for the cake and ice cream. Quickly and quietly adds her present to the pile, and goes off to see if there's any frosting left on the knife**

Well, everyone else has pretty much said it all, so I'll only just say Happy Birthday to you Christine. May you have may more to come. *suddenly starts to feel very old upon realizing that you are "younger" than I am...but only about 8 months =p Prayers and hugs to you and your mom.

*has to jump on bandwagon of Cyborg names*
Katara = Kinetic Artificial Troubleshooting and Accurate Repair Android
O'Conner = Obedient Cybernetic Organism Normally for Nocturnal Exploration and Repair
.....and something interesting when I used my real name.... Journeying Organism Designed for Infiltration

*yawns and stretches* Well folks, I guess that's about all for me tonight. Time for me to go climb the stairs and curl up with Mr. Tickles.
Katara - [Katara_O@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Friday, March 31, 2000 01:26:07 AM
IP: abda1b5e.ipt.aol.com

Toku Kaioto (last name first, first name last)

Toku Kaioto, Grand Moff Puppeteer

Martin Lund, Spunky Misunderstood Genius

Marty Lund, Half-Cut Skeleton

Funky ... all I have to say about the Wu Tan Thang.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, March 31, 2000 12:31:42 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Color Test> How 'bout Dark Yellow?

Warpmind> <<Windows CDs are not too expensive... when you buy blank CDs in large amounts (about 2-3$ apiece, tops), burn Windows onto them, and use them for skeet shooting.>> <blink> Maybe I'm just stupid, but...why bother burning Windows onto them if you're just going to shoot them...? <<you know how Tut-Ankh-Amon's burial chamber showed signs of having been opened at least twice before its final sealing? I'm thinking, Hartoth seeking ancient artifact, Brooklyn trying to stop him... and some other stuff happens inbetween... :)>> Fascinating...if my fic plans had room for it, I'd ask you for permission to use it. ^_^

Got around to reading the new TGS ep. No specific comments; just thought it was great, as usual. ^_^

XenaTrek> Welcome back! :D <<I apologize for not posting in a long while, it all started back in mid-Feburary when my computer contracted a nasty computer virus that caused my system to be unresponsive. It took about 3 *long* weeks to get it cleared up.>> ACK. O_o Glad it's fixed though. <decapitates DC with a toothpick for causing it to happen in the first place>

Green Baron> <<my motehr making new demands on me and forcing me to spend more tiem with her new dog. Hmmm...maybe I should joyride my mother :)>> <blink> Freud would have a field day with this. ;P j/k

Daniel Johnson> Welcome! :D

Christine> <> ACK! :( Hope she recovers from that.

Niamhgold> <<My best friend just sent me a whole lotta FF8 chibis for my desktop. I think they're the best (cute and creative!)>> Sounds kewl. ^_^ Would there happen to be a chibi-Edea? :) <<Nicolai, the mistletoe, joined up with the dreaded and evil wedding Bouquet? (*Shudders*)>> Ack...he'd probably have to be tricked or brainwashed into it, but that would indeed be deeply frightening...

Robby> Cyborger> <<Wireless Intelligent Lifeform Engineered for Killing>> <EVIL, EVIL GRIN> I like this. Let's see, some characters from Gargs and my ficverse...
Eternal (as in Dark Eternal)> Electronic Transforming Entity Responsible for Nocturnal Assassination and Learning (eerily accurate; he's a heavily armed and highly intelligent droid who's gone through several redesigns)
Belial> Biomechanical Electronic Logical Infiltration and Assassination Lifeform (which is pretty much his job)
Miriam> Mechanical Individual Responsible for Infiltration and Accurate Mathematics (WAY too close...)
Forfexx> Functional Obedient Replicant Fabricated for Exploration and eXpert eXecution (now it's gettin' scary)
Jackal> Journeying Artificial Ceaseless Killing and Assassination Lifeform (need more be said?)
Demona> Digital Electronic Machine Optimized for Nocturnal Assassination (WOAH...)
Thailog> Transforming Hydraulic Android Intended for Logical Observation and Gratification (appropriate somehow, I don't think I want to know why)
Vinnie> Vigilant Individual Normally for Nocturnal Infiltration and Exploration (For some reason this one just amused me)

Rodlox> <<is _yardwork_ the only _Y_ word they knew?>> They also know 'yearning' and 'youth'. <blink>

SJ> Wu Name> Mine is Fiendish Observational Comedian. So's Oberon Morfyrn's. <blink> Do I wanna know? <shakes head> Forfexx Argentum came out as Sullen Choirboy. There's some hidden meaning there...Jonathan Blackstone=Asthmatic Enemy of God, about which if I say another word it'll be a spoiler for my fics...Loki Laufeyson was rendered as Vangelic Surgeon. Heh...again, appropriate *somehow*...Alexander Thailog is Dizzy Cow. <LOL>

Coyote> <<Don Martinez = Well-Liked Assman (NANI?!)>> Oddly enough, it gave the same name to Darth Jashin. (Um, 'NANI'?)

Gside> <<Seriously though, I only have titles for about 6 (2 + the Three + Amalgamator Hmm, I need to read more...)>> Feel free to try mine, if you can survive the sheer amateurity of them all (my writing style is not very good, not yet anyhow). ;P
Wilek Nereus
Friday, March 31, 2000 12:13:00 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Blue (as in Red, White, and)

Why did Netscape have to crash? I had gotten all the way from my last post to Timestamp Thursday, March 30, 2000 05:46:35 PM, almost 17 hours worth of CR. Let's see how much I remember.

Why would a knight name his horse Butterfly?

Wilek> <<Um...aren't [Win9x CDs] a little expensive for skeet shooting targets?>>: Nah, just two bucks and a friend.

Warpmind> <<You provide titles for fanfic *authors*? I'm almost afraid to ask: have you read mine yet?>>: Yeah, but I haven't really found a salient feature to latch on to yet. How about the Bestiality Nut (ref: Moxy Früvous). Seriously though, I only have titles for about 6 (2 + the Three + Amalgamator Hmm, I need to read more...).

Oh yeah, many happy returns to the Revered Mrs. Morgan (no Warpmind, that is not her title, just an honorific).

Green Baron> <<Our mascot is a wolf>>: We have Galahad over here (Galahad was the original Scarlet Knight).
Coke: Yeah, one of the biggest complaints against Fran is his selling of the good name of Rutgers (we haven't even seen the exact details of the contract). Also, we still have to pay full price.

Shadowrider> <<Is it possible that, in its jumps, it happened to create accidantally one or more alternate versions of itself, maybe still jumping in the timestream?>>: Not with Weisman's Law still in effect. Things happened the way they did (because of the given personalities of the people who were there) and cannot be changed (because time travel causees those who did not believe they were there the first time around to actually have been there). Therefore, no alternates are possible.
I am positive I said that better the first time through.

Daniel Johnson> Yes, another Joizeyan! Hmm, I seem to remember going to Ocean Grove over the summer and finding a store with some Gargoyle action figures, if you are that fanatic (etymological root of fan).
(Ocean Grove is the one with the seasonal tent city for a sect, right?)
<>: It's the Jersey water.
<<Cancer sucks>>: I will die of cancer. I know it. I have it both genetically, and from Jersey (higher cancer rate for you and your next three generations if you are here for more than 5 years, or something like that)

Mr. Jensen> <<the hobbits being the ones who will save Middle-earth by taking the Ring to Mount Doom>>: One for the Dark Lord on his Dark Throne/Where the shadows lie.
A Elbereth Gilthoniel/silivren penna míriel/o menel aglar elenath!

SRS Jr.> <<somehow I had some responsibility in what
happened.>>: How? you were gone for the greater part of it.

Silverstar> schedule: **sarcasm** Oh, come on. You aren't even a lab class. Don't talk to me until you have to make a elevator control board, or even calculate momentum flux in a nozzle at a 60 degree bend. **end sarcasm**

Robby> Acronyms: General Synthetic Individual Designed for Exploration. Or, if you want: Global Systems Integrated Display Environment.

Sev. Jr.> Wu: Dizzy Cow (or another Jive Talkin' Choirboy, if I use my full first name). Just what kind of an algorith is it using?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Friday, March 31, 2000 12:04:32 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

I tried that Cyborg-izer... this is what I got:

S.T.E.P.H.E.N.: Synthetic Transforming Entity Programmed for Hazardous Exploration and Nullification.

S.O.B.O.T.K.A.: Synthetic Obedient Being Optimized for Terran Killing and Assassination

C.O.L.D.: Construct Optimized for Logical Destruction
S.T.O.N.E.: Synthetic Technician Optimized for Nocturnal Exploration

And that WuName? I ended up with Pre-Raphaelite Shaolin... weird, huh?

Maintain and Check Six!
Anonymous
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:35:23 PM
IP: m23.ieway.com

Hmm ... not sure if I like my WuName, but I reeeeeeally like Mara's.

Mara Cordova = Excitable Misunderstood Genius
Don Martinez = Well-Liked Assman (NANI?!)
and Coyote Bando came up as Tha Visible Choirboy. (Once again ... NANI?!)

Ah well ... :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:34:19 PM
IP: zzz-209252248209.splitrock.net

D.O.U.G.: Device Optimized for Ultimate Gratification

E.L.D.E.R.: Electronic Lifeform Designed for Exploration and Repair

L.I.S.A.: Lifeform Intended for Sabotage and Assassination

T.E.L.M.A.N.: Transforming Electronic Lifeform Manufactured for
Assassination and Nullification

K.I.T.: Killing and Infiltration Technician

Doug Elder- Inscrutable Drama King

Lisa Telman- Contagious Specialist

All these names I totally get and like. Immensly. <grin>

More tomorrow.
Kitainia
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:11:10 PM
IP: pool-209-138-204-200-dlls.grid.net

As a break from the CF thing's have been the last few days:

S.E.V. J.R.: Synthetic Electronic Violence and Judo Replicant

More Fun Names: If you want to figure out what your Wu Name is....that is, what your name would be if you joined the rap group the Wu Tang Clan ("Cash Rules Everything Around Me!" Dollah dollah bill yall...), check out www.recordstore.com/wuname. I tried to separate names:
Sevarius Jr.: The Excitable Misunderstood Genius (So very true...)
and my actual name, Branden Poole: The Jive Talkin' Choirboy.

Silverstar: Speaking as someone who is just about a year away from completing a degree in Administration of Justice, I congratulate you on your decision to become a detective. It's not easy work, but personally, I think it has the capacity for tremendous satisfaction. I'm not sure at this point which part of the law enforcement agency I will go into--regular police work or work for a federal agency--but I do hope that part of my work will involved doing investigative or detective work. I will warn you--it isn't necessarily as dangerous as the entertainment industry portrays it to be. Unless you join the FBI or something like that, it's not necessarily likely you'll be chasing down thugs like they do on Law and Order or NYPD Blue (then again, I can't say it won't ever happen ;). But, IMO, the profession is enjoyable. Also, a recommendation: if you still want to do labwork or work in some of the more scientific fields of detective work, you could try something like forensics.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:06:16 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

*Turns to Robby and begins to bow*
Robby-Well I found some body who is actually more evil and cruel than me. I yield to the master.

Christine- Happy birthday!

Well as for Time Dancer, I always end up posting after everyone else and we all apparently think on the same level (Scary thought)The only thing I would say as constructive critisim would be that you could have gotten a little more characterization out of the paladins.
Oh well, by the way: REVEL
Robotic Electronic Violence and Exploration Lifeform
sweet!
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
hell, tx
Thursday, March 30, 2000 10:27:53 PM
IP: spider-th073.proxy.aol.com

archeological note: roughly 75 thousand years ago, about _half_ of all humanity died off...a likely culprit was a super-volcano.

fae at work? {idle wondering..please don't be offended}.

<<Fenris-wolf and the Midgard Serpent precisely fit in we haven't decided yet; they might even be dead in the TGS Universe, casualties of the First Unseelie War)>>

Rodlox
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:55:35 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

BLASITIIT!

Of all the times to forget my name!

trhe questions and apology just below - aimed at Mr Bishansky - are from me.

sorry.

Rodlox
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:39:35 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Mr Bishansky: i meant no offense or insult or jibe/gibe by that comment - it was just a story idea that hit me {quite hard...still have the bruise}.

question: if Danu is one of Oberon's parents, does that mean that Lugh is Oberon's other brother? {just wondering}.

i will go - right now - and read _The_Drowned_City_.

btw: the 'oberon and madoc as refugees' was my creativity demon's attempt at humor. i sincerely apologize, sir.

Anonymous
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:38:31 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Flame wars and leaving>I wish people would not leave. Yeah, there are rough spots in here when opinions colide, but, don't let it drive you out! just let it go!

Christine> Happy B-Day! And many more to come!

Warpmind> No prob. I just get a little defensive about my weapon. There really is a lot of inter-weapon razzing that goes one, so my response is sorta knee-jerk. As for that cage gaurd, the same design that allows the occaisonal trap and disarm tended to cause a lot of hand injuries, and in a duel to first blood, that could end things really fast. Interesting sorta related point: If you were in a duel to first blood, and you killed your opponent, you lost the duel. He may be dead, but you would loose your honor. Eh.
Is Madoc Evil> of course. Look at his game plan: 1)Destroy one intelligent race to save his own skin. 2)Enslave another race (humans). 3)He wants to force himself on Titania. 4)He sired Merlin in attempt to create a weapon. When Merlin showed a will of his own, he decided to slay him. Now, as far as I am concerned, that is the clincher. No good sentient being would kill their own child because the child does not conform to the parent's wishes.

**TD Spoiler**
Good ep. Liked the Lutin and what it points to. I really like the inclusion of Charlemagne. As for Brooklyn's lack of emotion over the loss of Sata, I think it is right on. Since being with Sata, he has learned to controll his emotions better. He won't fall apart for awhile. Things willl have to really build up. But when the explosion comes..whew...I wouldn't wanna be in same time zone.
All the same, though, I wanna see Brookly reunited with Sta (and the hatchlings, of course)
**End spoiler**

Cyborg Names: Couldn't use my handle, so I used my real name: Lifeform Intended for Assassination and Mathematics. Kinda funny, considdering the character type I use in RPG's (and my one and only hopefully soon to be finished fanfic)

Tried Lex, for sh**s and giggles: Lifeform Engineered for eXecution...hmmmmm... future tense, anyone?

Ack...just tried my middle name:Positronic Artificial Technician Responsible for Infiltration and Ceaseless Killing....I seem to be detecting a pattern.

*Warfrost edges away from Archwolf cautiosly*

Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:36:30 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

RODLOX - My feeling is that the Jotnar/frost giants, in TGS, were Unseelies (alongside Loki, Garm, and Surtur - where the Fenris-wolf and the Midgard Serpent precisely fit in we haven't decided yet; they might even be dead in the TGS Universe, casualties of the First Unseelie War).

We hadn't even thought of the Vanir, but I think that they're still in Oberon's Children, and that the war between the Aesir and the Vanir was some sort of post-FUW squabble, a bit like Odin's fight with the Banshee on a larger scale.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:33:41 PM
IP: 216.87.46.114.dialup-stl.primary.net

Rodlox> The Fay evolved on Earth, same as humans and Gargoyles. They evolved differently, than we did, much differently. Also there were fay before Oberon and Madoc. Their parents the late Avallach, and Danu. As well as the Elder Court which was mentioned in "The Drowned City". I co-wrote that ep, and am quite proud of it. Please read it if you have not done so.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:29:49 PM
IP: dialin-1009-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

one last idea for a while...

_where_ did the Third Race come from? from another physical/magical reality? _why_ here?

**image of Oberon and Madoc entering Earth as refugees**

...okay, last one {i hope}: ....shoot, i forgot the question...can i come back later?

{feel free to use my fic ideas...just let me know and-or give mention of me in credits...professional curtesy(sp?)}.

Rodlox
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:25:01 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

**WARNING: CREATIVITY DEMONS HOPPING RAMPANT**

{hey, nobody told mine that they _had_ to be running}. :)

. In Norse myth, there are three groups of beings with deity-level powers {to the best of my knowing}:
*Aesthir. this includes Odin; these tended to be gods of action.
*Vanir. this includes Njorn; these tended to be gods of nature.
*Jotun. these were the giants, the titan-analogues.

now, in some of my fics, i had the jotuns being gargoyles, while steering clear as to the actual identity of the Vanir.

but recently i had another thought: if either the Vanir or the Jotuns are Madoc's band, then that means two things:
*Odin forged a peace/pact with Madoc and Madoc's minions.
*_who_ is the third group?

**CREATIVITY DEAMONS ROUNDED [BACK] UP**

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:17:44 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Okay, here's my cyborg acronym

General eXperimental Being
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:12:18 PM
IP: dialin-1009-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

whoever made that site did a nice job...but is _yardwork_ the only _Y_ word they knew?
oh yeah:
R.O.D.L.O.X.: Robotic Organism Designed for Logical Observation and eXecution
Rodlox
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:08:50 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

K.A.I.O.T.O.: Kinetic Artificial Individual Optimized for Troubleshooting and Observation.

*blinx* Wow ... freaky ... VERY freaky.

T.O.K.U.: Troubleshooting and Online Killing Unit

*double blinx* I didn't think I was THAT vicious ...

*leaves, poking at his forearms tendons and flesh, with a look of suspicion on his face.*

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:06:50 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

I just found a nifty new website that tells you what your name would be an acronymn for if you were a cyborg. Go to
http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-cyborger.html
or click my name.

It's pretty neat, but there is a seven letter limit. I already tried a couple of names and ended up with...

Robby- Replicant Optimized for Battle and Basic Yardwork
Todd- Technician Optimized for Destruction and Deduction
Wilek- Wireless Intelligent Lifeform Engineered for Killing
Coyote- Cybernetic Organism Yearning for Observation and Terran Exploration
Cyoti- Construct Yearning for Observation and Terran Infiltration

Check it out, its pretty spiffy.
Robby
Thursday, March 30, 2000 08:57:01 PM
IP: spider-to018.proxy.aol.com

happy birthday Christine. I'm mostly new here, but I met you at G99 and thought you were pretty cool. Hope you and Crzy have fun.
Alex "Cyclonus" Bishansky
Thursday, March 30, 2000 08:49:42 PM
IP: dialin-1009-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hello!

I just signed up for my classes for next year and I have a FULL schedule. I'm taking physiology, US history, pshychology, chorus, drawing or photography, and a math class. I am so glad that I am not going to take French next year. I have been in it for two years and am really sorry to say this, but am totally turned off with the language. My French teacher is so dull and she expects us to learn it atomatically. Launguage is not my strong point, that is also a reason for me not to take it next year. I even told my French teacher that I wasn't going to take French next year and now she acts very much like a B!*ch to me! Ugh!

Sorry for the rant, didn't know I was going there!

Jenna>I kinda feel that way about things too. I try to hang out with every kind of group on campus, but some are too stuck-up to let someone who doesn't dress or act like them into their cliche. I do try to break down barriers with my 'different' friends, but some just really don't like each other.

warpmind> I agree that people shouldn't leave 'cause of a flame war. They will eventually blow over, but ya' can't help but feel a little depressed. Hope this mood goes away soon, because I have already gone through a major depression stage and would like to keep away from anything even remotely sad. Not possible I know, but I try to avoid it when possible.

christine> Happy belated birthday! So sorry to hear about your mom. Hope she and your family get through this. Good luck! *HUGS*

Green Baron> I think you forgot to put Jeremie on your list of people. I haven't seen him post in a while.

******TD SPOILERS******

This episode was very good and I loved the part about the lutins. They are very curious creatures. I looked at the picture and thought 'Ummm, someone forgot to draw wings on this guy' Now I know that it wasn't a mistake, but the way they are.
I can't wait for the episode with Brooklyn getting back together with Sata, but something tells me that it won't be for a while. As I said before, a very good story!
******END TD SPOILERS******

***SMALL RANT***
I just decided what I want to do for a career. I want to be a detective! Seems kind of dangerous, I know, but this is nothing! I'm the kind of girl who doesn't mind danger too much. As a matter of fact, I wanted to work with ebola and other viruses with no cure, in a biohazard lab. I seriously was thinking about this, but decided that it would be a little much. So I stepped down to a less dangerous job, being a detective. Just wanted to share that!
***END SMALL RANT***

Well, don't know if I will post tomorrow, so I will wish everyone a good weekend now.

*BYE!*
silverstar
Thursday, March 30, 2000 08:44:11 PM
IP: l1p18.dav.mother.com

Greetings all...

CHRISTINE - Ah-HAR, Lass! Ye had tae give this pen-master a lil' inspiration! :) I'm thrilled to death that you like the story! And kudos goes to Christi for providing the pics. (Always said she and I make a good writer/artist team!)
Don't worry, the rest of the story will be finished ASAP... I'd hate to deprive you of what's to come. <evil grin>

FLAME WAR - The only thing I have to say is I feel sorry for us all...and that somehow I had some responsibility in what happened. (that's me...a guilty concience)

Will talk to everyone later! Maintain and Check Six!

And Happy Birthday to you again, Christine!

Stephen Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 07:08:49 PM
IP: m155.ieway.com

Sorry for the double post, but -

DANIEL JOHNSON - Thanks for the comments, and I'm glad that you liked both the lutins and the Charlemagne-related elements. And, yep, that quote's from "The Lord of the Rings", about the hobbits being the ones who will save Middle-earth by taking the Ring to Mount Doom.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 30, 2000 07:04:47 PM
IP: 216.87.46.128.dialup-stl.primary.net

** Niamhgold comes in humming "Happy Birthday" in Spanish. In one hand is a _very_ large triple-layer, chocolate-fudge vanilla marble cake. On top of the cake is a replica of Castle Wyvern, and on each battlement little candles are burning. In the other hand is a bag of happy-tidings, filled with well-wishings **

<|:)

Feliz Cumpleanos, Christine! I thought the cake would be enough, but when I heard about your mother's diagnosis, I felt the Bag O' Happiness was a necessary inclusion! :) :)
Oh, and be glad you're birthday's not April 1st...one of my pal's has that B-day, and the joke never ends (grins ;}

My best friend just sent me a whole lotta FF8 chibis for my desktop. I think they're the best (cute and creative!) Needless to say, my computer screen is much more lively! (We're talking like 32 dancing Chibis). Chibi Squall in the rabbit suit is my fave :)

Green Baron: < But I think 18 or 19 is too young > I couldn't agree more! And I only mentioned 23/24 simply because that's when my parents got married. I mean, personally, I'd like to settle down and (a) finish college and (b) get a steady job with a set life before committing to a marriage. I think the main reason that my 19 year-old friend is getting hitched is because she's pregnant, and I think she feels obligated :( We've been trying to tell her she shouldn't feel _forced_ into a relationship, that love isn't about obligation, but we are also aware that it is *her* life (heck, and the idea of me being a godmother is kinda nice!) My 18 year-old friend seems more sure...But there's no way in heck I'm gonna be in the line of fire of the Evil Bouquet!

-Random thought...what if Nicolai, the mistletoe, joined up with the dreaded and evil wedding Bouquet? (*Shudders*)

Well, anyway, if it does come down to me getting engaged (and I don't see that in my future for a LOOOOONG time! ;)) I will definitely have a period of at *least* more than 6 months to get to know my mate. AFter all, I'm gonna be living with the guy for the rest of my life...I wanna know if it's bearable! (Or, if *I'm* bearable!). I'm not doing it for the Catholic's sake (my mom already debunked _that_ one :)).

People leaving CR: Really, I can't comment on this one. I mean, I'm too new !

Madoc being evil: Evil...or just so annoyingly, awfully, antisocially haughty and spiteful that we *perceive* him as so? It's hard to say. I did not like him, mostly because he threatened the safety of my favorite characters
=(. I can't say I wasn't glad to see him destroyed. But Oberon evil, as well? That brings up the same question. Is he evil, or just frustratingly arrogant? Is that what being evil is all about?

** Does the Rinoa chibi wave and exits **

Happy Birthday Christine, and adios to the rest! :)
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 07:02:54 PM
IP: ncia86n.ncia.net

OBERON AND MADOC - As the person who originally dreamed up Madoc to begin with, I probably can't be completely impartial on him. However - I do consider him evil. He was ready to ruthlessly enslave another race (us humans) to satisfy his urges for power. Admittedly, we humans haven't always done a good job of handling ourselves, but other fay (such as Prometheus) found ways of solving the problem without using conquest as a method. (I'll say more about that next week). And, as somebody pointed out, he also lusted after Titania and sought to force her to be his, without respecting her own feelings on the matter.

As for Oberon, well, he's certainly no saint. But I'd hesitate at calling him evil. He's more arrogant and short-tempered. I see the difference between Oberon and Madoc being the difference between an "ancien regime" monarch who often treats the peasants poorly (think of the popular image of Marie Antoinette), but does so because he or she has grown up so much in luxury and isolation that he can't appreciate their problems (a la the king who puts a starving peasant to death for stealing bread to feed his children, who does so because he himself doesn't know what it's like to be cold and hungry), and a ruthless totalitarian dictator who's known hardships and who's only become all the more cold-hearted and pitiless on that account. You could say that it's the difference between, say, Nicholas II and Joseph Stalin.

CHRISTINE - Happy birthday! And sorry about your mother.

TIMEDANCER - For a start, thanks to everybody who commented on it (and who all seem to have liked it). One or two little rambles.

* WARNING - MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS *

I can't say much about the lutins at present, but I will say that they are inspired by the "brownie legend" (lutins being a French variant). For a long while, I've had the suspicions that brownies might have had some connections with gargoyles. For one thing, their traditional "tidying up the house" function in the tales about them does sound a bit like a variant on "gargoyles protect". For another, they were nocturnal. And brownies themselves are mainly found in Scotland, which we know is gargoyle territory (or at least, was). That's what got the creativity demons ticking - I can't say more about how they fit into the TGS Universe at present, though.

2. In a sense, this story is also an effort to fit into "Gargoyles" the third of the three great legend-cycles of the Middle Ages. These were the Matter of Rome, the Matter of Britain, and the Matter of France. The Matter of Rome consisted of classical mythology; that's cropped up a few times in "Gargoyles" and TGS, such as with the New Olympians. The Matter of Britain is the legends about King Arthur and his knights; that, of course, is handled in "Pendragon". The Matter of France is the legends about Charlemagne and his paladins, and while the television series never got around to it (although I'm sure that Greg would have done so with enough episodes), I decided to find a way of inserting it into TGS. So this does draw a fair amount on the legends about Charlemagne and his peers, although I also interwove some of the actual historical facts about the real Charlemagne (that bit about him being a tall and powerfully built man but with a high squeaky voice is indeed true, for example). I'll say more about the original legends about Ogier and Huon another time (although suffice it to say that the stories about them were marvellous enough to allow me to choose them for Brooklyn's companions; with such experiences, they'd be more likely to accept something unusual like a gargoyle). Malagigi also crops up in the latter Carolingian tales (such as Ariosto's "Orlando Furioso"). And I even managed to work in the big event of Charlemagne's legends, if off-stage, Roland's death at Roncesvalles. (Of course, his legacy also endures in "Dark Ages"; I wouldn't be at all surprised if the infamous "Masked Bandit" was named after the original Roland).

I do hope that readers of this story may be inspired to find out, on their own, more about the Charlemagne of both history and legend - just the way that the original "Gargoyles" encouraged its viewers to read Shakespeare's plays, Arthurian legend, etc.)

*SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 30, 2000 07:00:55 PM
IP: 216.87.46.128.dialup-stl.primary.net

Ack. Forgot the color.

Now I'll have to ponder this Madoc question.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 06:48:54 PM
IP: ppp-40.rb5.exit109.com

Now that I've revealed my presence, I know that I have to be nuts. :) But everyone I know has always said that.

Doug: We seem to be thinking alike. My thoughts have been found hazardous by the Surgeon General. :)

Christine: Happy birthday. I'm sorry to hear about your mother. My father died of cancer. Cancer sucks. But my uncle fought it and survived. And a friend has brain cancer. They didn't think he was going to make it a while ago, but now he's walking again. :) Attitude means a lot.

Now on to the main post:

****** SPOILER ******

Todd, whenever I read your work I'm always impressed by your knowledge of history. It makes everything seem so much more real. I've always loved history and almost majored in it. I chose anthropology instead but they are closely related. I love the name dropping. Too bad Roland was dead by this time. And I realized immediately that King Charles was Charlemagne. Very cool.

The lutin (or lutins?) were fascinating. When I saw the picture, I, like Brooklyn, thought he looked a lot like a wingless gargoyle. I hope we get to see more of their history. Although their coming to the rescue at the end was predictable and somewhat Ewokish it was believable. I was proud of those little guys! "Yet such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere." Guess the source. Todd, I'm sure, will know.

While it would have been nice to see more of Brooklyn's reaction to his separation from Sata, Its lack wasn't farfetched. He may simply be dealing with it by not dealing with it. It's just too painful to handle yet. One of these days though he will have to have some kind of breakdown.

****** END SPOILER ******

Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 06:45:00 PM
IP: ppp-40.rb5.exit109.com

Madoc/Oberon- ah, good topic. I hope to do my own take on this a little later on. As for what I am planning, I am reminded of Pini when she spoke of Winnowill "To give great suffering is to know great suffering."

When this room is a little more settled I may comment more.
jenna
Thursday, March 30, 2000 06:37:50 PM
IP: 1cust195.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

**Reads Airwalkers thoughts on Timedancer and laughs maniacally in the dark** Just wait 'till you see whats coming. Heh heh heh... We haven't neglected Brooklyn's feelings for Sata. He's acting the way he is right now for a reason. Also, he is on his own right now for several reasons, all of which will be made clear in time... Stew on that for a while...
Robby
Thursday, March 30, 2000 05:46:35 PM
IP: spider-to051.proxy.aol.com

Happy Birthday Christine!!!¡¡¡¡

You're right Spike, I only have til the end of next month before I creep another year closer to the big 50. (Still a few years to go though.) Knowing someone else is going to be having Senior moments is comforting.

Starsinger
Thursday, March 30, 2000 05:34:15 PM
IP: proxy-642.public.rwc.webtv.net

***Kyryn quickly sneaks in****

Airwalker> Sadly, the text site of TGS no longer exists at this time. It was being hosted by khatt.net and due to conflicts with the person running that server, it was removed. We currently do not have a site to host it, but hope to get to that point sometime in the future. There are backups of the text files available when we get to that point.

***Kyryn sneaks back out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, March 30, 2000 04:53:19 PM
IP: 216.35.46.135

Odd little computer glitch there. I hope this post doesn't appear twice or something.

Oh well, on with the show:
Hi ya'll. I found a new source for garb, and my cool new duds will probably be ready for the first week of Scarborough Faire (and there was great rejoicing).

Happy Birthday, Christine :)

There are three major topics that deserve some comment. I don't have time to go into much detail now, though. Here's the "sound byte" version.

1 - People Leaving> I really hate this, since it deprives me of the company of people I like, but I don't have the energy or moral superiority to tell people what they should do unless they ask me, and maybe not even then.

2 - Timedancer> I half way agree with Airwalker (nice to see you by the way). We definantly need to see Sata play a role in this season's TD, but I don't necessaraly think they need to get back together right away. The seperation has to last long enough to really hurt, or it seems kind of cheap. The key, though, is to establish some kind of continuity. Harthoth, or some other Immortal who could be a recurring adversary for Brooklyn could do the same job. It would be really dramatic if the season could end with Brooklyn rejoining Sata just in time to face a terrible foe from the distant past...or something along those lines.

3 - Is Madoc Evil?> Yes. I may end up doing an Obnoxiously Long Post on this subject. The only thing I'll add is that Oberon is also evil. I'll let that simmer for a while, then chime in on the discussion when I have time to write out my thoughts in detail (and steal, er, borrow other people's good ideas...).

OK, back to work. See ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 04:26:19 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Christine: this's probably late, but i hope it's not _too_ late. i realize that other people have probably said this better than i will, but here goes:

. Happy Birthday!

. i am truly sorry to hear about your mother. i greatly hope that she pulls through hale, healthy, and hearty. {you - 'stubborn'? nah}.

. i somehow feel that your mother's ailment is my fault. please, let me explain: most times, when i put something off {like wishing a happy birthday}, i learn of bad news surrounding the person...needless to say, this makes me feel _very_ guilty.

okay, i'll shut up now.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 04:16:04 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

I should add that I don't think we should be afraid of talking about controveral subjects, we can and should. But we need to be more civil to each other while doing it.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 04:08:23 PM
IP: dialin-229-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

GREEN BARON - I'm still here, it's just been a really busy couple of weeks. All of my professors have been conspiring to make my life difficult. Midterms, papers, and then massive amounts of readings have been keeping me busy so I haven't had that much time to stop by at either comment room and post.

CHRISTINE - Happy Birthday!

TGS STAFF - I wanted to bring two things to your attention:

1 - When I open up the main TGS page I get a screen opening up telling me that there is a Javascript error in line 46 (It says that before that statement there is a missing semi-colon).

2 - I haven't been able to get through to the Text version of the TGS page for a while now. I hope that it hasn't been taken down since I tended to use that page much more to load up episodes because with the modem my computer has it's just faster to go to that page than wait for the main page to load up.

**CURRENT TIMEDANCER SPOILERS/COMMENTS**

The story itself is perfectly fine and well written. I like the concept that there might have been offshoots of the Gargoyle race wandering around. It does make some sense although they probably shouldn't be around at all in modern times. Not every single race can survive and with Gargoyles barely surviving themselves, then other offshoots should have had a much harder time. It does open up an interesting problem for Brooklyn in modern times when he reaches old age. If all those offshoots are extinct and even the memory that they were offshoots is gone and he is the only one with the knowledge, should he write it down so that someone in the future would learn something from his travels? Should he do that or continue to keep his wanderings a secret even if it means that this information will be lost forever?

I do hope that Brooklyn and Sata get back together soon. These last two episodes have been written well but that seem to be falling into the same trap that I think was a big problem in TIMEDANCER Season 1. Brooklyn shows up, meets someone, does something to help them, complains about his life and his Timetraveling, and then leaves. It can make for an interesting story here and there but after a while it gets boring. When Sata joined him on his travels the quality of TIMEDANCER jumped tremendously. Instead of feeling like random, meaningless traveling the episodes began to have the feeling of extremely strong continuity and of strong character development. Brooklyn was just helping people and complaining about his fate. He was growing as a character. It reflected in his interaction with Sata.

Without her along, a feeling of emptiness seems to grip the stories. When he was alone to begin with it didn't matter so much because he was just being swept along waiting to go home. So the the going in/doing something/going somewhere else didn't feel so wrong. But after the excellent stories and interaction of Season 2 to go back to that Season 1 formula seems very wrong. (Not to mention that he dumped the futuristic look he picked up in CROSSROADS 1. If he had kept that new look then it would look much more like a seperation when I picture him travelling around alone in my mind - like he had settled a bit with his wife and was then suddenly taken away. But his going back to the simple loincloth look from his bachelor days and now his being alone makes it look like almost nothing has happened even though rationally we know something has. But from the look of it, if you glance at a picture (which were well drawn) then it doesn't look like anything has changed since Season 1.)

I think that Sata's absence from this season so far should be made extremely short. Even though it made a great cliffhanger ending for Season 2, I think I would have prefered to see Brooklyn remain in the future with Sata for a while rather than have him wander around time repeating the pattern he had in early season 1. (Especially when this route seems to be a way to get have the twins be mature enough to go timedancing the next time he sees them rather than having him and Sata be forced to be bogged down with fighting evil while trying to take care of two infants.)

**END OF CURRENT TIMEDANCER SPOILERS/COMMENTS**
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, March 30, 2000 03:50:14 PM
IP: 22.new-york-06-07rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Christine> Happy birthday. :)

Jenna> Um, do you have Jubilee's e-mail address? I've misplaced it. Thanks.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 03:44:15 PM
IP: ppp-90.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Doug> Bravo, bravo. I'm willing to help restore make this CR a better place. And we should be able to have different view-points on subjects without flames. That's part of the reason why I posted my Madoc question to all of you. I thought a good way to start would be an interesting debate on a major TGS character.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 03:42:21 PM
IP: dialin-229-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Thank you, all, for the birthday wishes! Thus far it is being a very good one. I'm especially delighted by the gift from Stephen, the first half of a furry pirate story with Christi-pics to go with! Arrrgh! Prepare t' be boarded, laddies! LOL! And my big surprise from Tim (he let the cat out of the bag last night by mistake) is a visit from Crzy, who arrives tonight for the weekend. Slumber party at my place! (Stephen -- pile your gals in the car and come on over!). I'm off work until Tuesday night shift, a treat in itself!

Daniel > I appreciate your sentiments! But I do feel I have to bear some of the blame here, being controversial ol' me and having such stalwart defenders.

Book stuff > I mentioned this in the other CR a few days back, but forgot to here; I am pleased to announce that John Kovalic has agreed to do a foreword for Dark of the Elvenwood! John is best known among gamer-types for his comic Dork Tower, and I'm so thrilled he said yes!!! I also just heard from the audio book people that the manuscript finally arrived (that took a while!) and I should hear yes/no on whether they want to do Black Roses in about 4 weeks.

Bad news > I also got one really crappy birthday present ... the news that my mother's just been diagnosed with lung cancer. But Mom is a tough lady, and determined to do whatever course of treatments necessary. I'm sure she will do well. My grit and stubbornness come from her. Fourth person of my close acquaintance to go through chemo in the past five years, though ... I am not liking that statistic.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 03:39:47 PM
IP: 04-164.009.popsite.net

Oh, and Happy Birthday Christine!
Doug
Thursday, March 30, 2000 02:50:27 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-248.dlls.grid.net

Daniel Johnson: Your post came in while I was typing. Just wanted to let you know I fully agree with and support all you said, hope others will also. Welcome to the CR, new friend, I hope you will be motivated to stay a long while. <grin>
Doug
Thursday, March 30, 2000 02:49:56 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-248.dlls.grid.net

GB: <feeding Republicans to a dragon> I remember making that post. :) I'm glad you've apparently forgiven me for it since then and we've also become friends despite the disagreement. That's the kind of place this CR is, and I for one hope it still can be like that, no matter how these lousy flame wars turn out. <sighs> Two small notes- 1. I have since given up the opinion I had two years ago of wanting a dragon to eat Republicans. You'll undoubtedly be glad to know this. :) I now can tolerate and even endorse many forms of Republican policy and politicians in our nation. Some GOP guys, like Gin-grinch, Pat Buchanan, and Pat Robertson, I still have problems with, but I don't think I'd go so far as putting them on a dragon's dinner menu. Having the public turn away from giving them the attention they and all politicians crave because of their bad deeds and views would be a much crueler and more appropriate form of punishment. :)
2. This is for everyone- I too do not like how some people in here can be seen as doing no wrong. I may be one of those people, I may not, I don't know. <shrugs> But I do know that I don't want to be. I want people to let me know of my mistakes so that I may correct them. I want people to make me suffer appropriately if I do something wrong so I can be deterred from doing it again, learn from my mistakes, and build my character. Not everyone in the world shares this view, very few people do in fact, but I have it. And I try to judge everyone I know by it when they do something I and/or other people don't like. That includes Crzy, Pistoff, SJ, the CR Admins, and everyone else who has involved themselves in this recent flame war and/or been somehow affected by it. Some people's actions I support, other people's I don't. More than resolution, though, I want to see an end to this. The CR is not a court, it has no judges or juries. If people want to leave, that's their decision, and no amount of whining about it and yelling that they were wronged is going to make them come back (apologies to anyone offended by this statement, but we have to admit, it's true). Instead, it will continue to bog the CR down in the flame war that caused their leaving as we get into further disagreements and possibly cause the CR Admins (who I agree have largely been neutral in this matter and upheld the CR rules appropriately) to get even angrier over the whole thing. In essence, this flame war will cause more damage to the CR if it continues, no matter how noble or justified the purpose of that continuation may be. Can we please just forget it and move on? I too want Pistoff and Jewel to come back to us, but if we keep getting angry and yell at each other about them leaving, we are going to continue making this CR the kind of place that drove them away. I don't want that, and I know all you don't want that either. I don't know what the resolution of this conflict should be, everyone involved in it has committed wrong and yet done right by some perspective. The CR, it appears, is unable to agree on which of these perspectives is most valid. Therefore, I think it best that we just set aside the dispute that led to our friends Pistoff and Jewel departing this place, and try to instead somehow show them that we have realized the consequences of making the CR the kind of place that they saw it as, the kind of place they left. We should show them, and everyone else, ourselves especially, that we have realized these consequences and are not willing to continue to live with them. We must do our best to return this CR to a place of peaceful support and friendship. Flaming people, in any way, shape, or form, and arguing over the results of doing that and what they should or should not be, is not the road back to this ideal CR. <sighs> Now I don't know if I'm right or not in saying that we should go back there and forego resolving this current debate in favor of doing so, but I strongly think right now that it would be the best solution for all parties involved. Maybe once it calms the CR enough and all flame debates are dropped, the room will again become the kind of place it was before all this happened. Maybe Pistoff and Jewel and everyone else who's left will see this somehow and then desire to return. I hope for this a lot, because I too miss all of them. More than that, though, I miss the things in this room that made them want to be here, the things that make me want to be here as well. The friendship, support, caring, help, feedback, positive attention, and love we have all been able to share with one another during our time here should not be taken away. It should be preserved, restored, strengthened, and at this point I don't care how many people we have to yell at for somehow flaming others in order to do that. I also don't care how many clear wrongs, from whatever perspectives those are judged, we leave unresolved in favor of doing it instead. I do not want any more consequences for the CR because of this ongoing debate over who is right, who is wrong, and who is suffering collateral damage in the recent flame wars. Somehow, from some perspective, everyone in here- Pistoff, Crzy, the CR Admins, myself, everyone-, both in this current disagreement and in past ones which we'd similarly like to forget, can be put into one of these categories. Therefore, to do the best for everyone, I believe, we should just try to accept all perspectives of the situation, put aside all wrongs, and get back to giving to one another what this CR is supposed to give. I've already said what that is. Don't know if it's right for us to follow though on this plan, but I strongly believe it is so and hope that belief will be carried out. I myself am willing to carry it out with anyone who has been wronged in here- Pistoff, Crzy, SJ, Aris (with whom, if you remember, I had an awful flame war with a few months back), anyone- just to ensure this room is restored to the good place it was. It will be difficult to do that, I hope to have help from a number of people. Give it or not, it's all of your decisions. I hope you will, give it, though, for the sake of everyone, not just the departed or the wronged. By now I hope you all know why.

Warpmind: Great Timedancer creativity demon. I hope it somehow gets enacted. :) Speaking of TD, I have to go read the latest story now. Will comment on it later. Bye to everyone till then.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 02:47:04 PM
IP: pool-207-205-149-248.dlls.grid.net

OK, that does it. I've lurked in this room on and off since it began, and I've always found some excuse to avoid posting. Either I was too busy or it was too late in the week or something. "I'll do it next week" I thought. But of course, next week would bring another excuse. The real reason was that I never had confidence in myself. Never thought I could make a worthwhile contribution. And I've always had a problem initiating conversations. Always been shy. Then two things happen that finally get me moving.

One, of course, is the recent flame war and resulting discussion on the nature of this room and the fandom. I agree with much of what has been said, especially about the formation of cliques, but I think that perhaps too much time is being spent worrying about the problem instead of acting. I have faith that we can make this room into whatever we want it to be. But we have to choose to do it. Those who cause disruptions in here only have power to do so if we allow them to get to us.

The second is the new Timedancer episode. (Look! A TGS reference!) I felt a bit like those lutins, always lurking in the background and afraid to act. Well, if you've read the story then you know what happens and if you haven't...go read it now. :) By the way, a thank you to Todd and the TGS staff for a great story. I'm in awe of all that TGS has accomplished. Well done all of you.

I also think we need to praise those who contribute positively to this room. Robby in particular has performed a sometimes difficult and unpleasant task for the benefit of everyone here and has done so as impartially as humanly possible. Remember that the Rules exist for everyone's good. Otherwise this place *would* dissolve into anarchy. I would also point out Christine's apology to the room. Her involvement in the recent...problem...is tenuous at best, yet she is willing to take responsibility for her actions. (Gratuitous Gargoyles reference ahead!) Demona was never able to accept any responsibility and look what happened to her and those around her.

Anyway, those are my two (or more like twenty) cents. All of this has not made my want to leave the fandom. In fact, it has only made me want to participate even more. But for those who are tired of it and choose to leave, I wish you well. There is only so much a person can take. But I encourage you to give it another try. Sure you *might* fail, but if you don't try you *will* fail. I'm not trying to judge anyone since I don't personally know any of you and anyone can have a bad day.

I welcome any and all responses. Tell me want you think. Honestly. I'm very difficult to offend. :) Oh, and I seem to have misplaced my sanity a long time ago, so don't even bother asking for it. Thfffpt
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 02:30:19 PM
IP: ppp-28.rb5.exit109.com

<Bright Green - I practically post in this color only>

The CR trouble:> I'm afraid of what is happening. I feel sorry, 'cause I was the one who started this thing with my uncautious comments a few weeks ago. If could go back and undo it I'd do. Now, there's people leaving the CR and others that feel doubtful and confused. I feel the same way. I'd like to be able to give a constructive contribution, to propose a solution, but my mind is blank about it. I can just hope that things will get better. I know there's at least one thing we all agree about, something that took us here. I hope it will be enough to allow us to go on. I hope.
Well, I think I'll be better to switch to other topics.

***TD SPOILER***

A tale of two Gates. Well, the story is well-written as usual. It is setted in an interesting period and place and so on. No surprise, Timedancer's quality is out discussion. But, I have to agree with Peter: Brooklyn's reaction to Sata's missing is underdeveloped. Well, maybe it is just a preparation for a coming episode focused on this topic. Intriguing the paradox of the two Phoenix Gates existing at the same time. I have a doubt: the Phoenix Gate has travelled a lot through time, with or without Brooklyn. Is it possible that, in its jumps, it happened to create accidantally one or more alternate versions of itself, maybe still jumping in the timestream?

***END SPOILER***

Madoc: Evil or Not:> Very interesting topic. As far as I'm concerned, the concepts of "Good" and "Evil" themselves are difficult to identify. In the Middle Age, torturing and killing "witches" or "heretics" was considered a good and right thing by the Catholic Church. Today, the same Church would consider such actions as evil and cruel. What is "good " for me is not for you; if something is "good" for me now, I'm not sure it will be the same in a ten years from now.
So, am I going to say Madoc is "evil" ? He was surely convinced to be in his right as he tried to act his plans. All the actions of his that we consider "cruel" were committed in order to accomplish his goal, so in his own viewpoint were, if not "right", at least "necessary".
I want to close with a few pieces of wisdom:
"The difference between a good man and an evil man is the side they fight for"
"The winner is always right"
"...Ognuno ha una ragione per ammazzare..." (Everyone has a good reason for killing) (Litfiba, "Africa", 1995)

Green Baron:> Well, my feeling about thunderstorms is quite...peculiar, I know. By the way, thunderstorms are quite common in the zone I live in, especially in this season. Italy is known as "The country of sun" and it is true for southern Italy, where you can have seabath from March to November, but I live in the north, in the plains just below Alpes. So, especially in Winter and early Spring, cold winds blow from northern Europe to the Alpes, meeting with wet, warm air coming from the Mediterranean sea just over my region...guess the result of it! ;)

Happy birthday Christine!

Gotta go, see later maybe.

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, March 30, 2000 01:51:00 PM
IP: h213-2-213.mi.infinito.it

*Warpmind slides in for a moment.*

Starsinger: Thank you for clearing that up. I feel far more worried now. ;)

By the way, one thing I've thought about for Timedancer: you know how Tut-Ankh-Amon's burial chamber showed signs of having been opened at least twice before its final sealing? I'm thinking, Hartoth seeking ancient artifact, Brooklyn trying to stop him... and some other stuff happens inbetween... :)

By the way... Happy Birthday, Christine! :)

Green Baron: Larry Elder is amusing, indeed.

By the way... I have posted a new fanfic in the Archive. YAY! :)

Well, gotta run.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:58:01 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Color Test>>Pale Pink

Yes I'm a bit depressed that both Pisstoff and Jewel left, I think I agree with mostly Jewel's views
It is sad when a Flame war breaks out and people choos sides nd those who are friends with bot people on each side are feeling torn apart, I can understan why peeps have left.

Tokou is trying his hardest to provied balance to the CR but sometimes its not enough, sometimes I think we neee a Judge and Jury, way in all the options and try to make a civalized post.

Green Baron>> I agree with you on Cider House and Braveheart((hey I'm doing research on the REAL will Wallace)) This move is about Incest,Rape,Adoption and abortion with a misleading add, acording to Bill Mahr of Politically Incorrect. He said the add showed a lot of happy people and the add saying "The Feel good movie of the year" He said it looked like the Vantrapp Family. The discussionb went on with the subjects of the movie, not surprisingly the one who provided some of the most intelligent thoughts was BTVS's Anthony stewart Head.

Derek and Panthers and the Florida Panther. The Florida Panther is actually a subspecies of the mountain Lion wich is what Fang is like, it is also the mascot of the Florida Panthers Hockey team.
Spacebabie The Majestic12 Slayer - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:48:52 AM
IP: user-37kapf9.dialup.mindspring.com

****TGS SPOILERS****

A Tale of Two Gates: Great story, very entertaining. I really enjoyed the two gates plot and felt that the Palladins' reactions to Brooklyn were realistic. The Lutins' origins seem to be an interesting story. As it seems likely that they were originally Gargoyle/Fay hybrids one has to wonder why they are so much less powerful than either. It was, however, somewhat disappointing that Brooklyn's reactions to losing Sata were not dealt with. The illustration was quite good.

****END SPOILERS****

Jewel, Pistoff> Sorry to see you go.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:28:13 AM
IP: dial-14.ocis.net

No RPs. Situations of recent have made me grim.

Now, it seems we have lost two of our more interesting posters. Of course, it seems this has been a trend. Let's count the last of people no longer posting:

Jewel
Pistoff
Ironwolf
Traveler
Aris (except on occasion)
Jackal
JEB
Mary Flanders
Carolynn Marie (Aerie)
Jenniren
Airwalker
Pogo
Zimorodok (Steve Gooch)
DumlaoX
Reverend Attila
Heather
Bronx
Cassandra
Cyrway
Batya
Eilonwy
Merlin Missy

Now, for some people, they have had differnet reasons and are now too busy to post. Some like the first two have left, becuase of how the TGS CR is. Attila hasn't posted, because I haven't felt like posting as him in a while :)

Regardless of why these people no longer post, their departure has caused a loss for us. I wish Merlin Missy would post and just let her knwo how her life is. I hope she can make G2K. It would be a wonderful surprise, IMO. I personally hope she is just lurking, like JEB and she knows what's going on, like teh chibi-Magus I requested for her.

I have also noticed as of late a certain chilling effect, regarding many topics, some I won't mention under pain of banning, but there does seem a mild suppression of certain topics, whetehr it be sex, violence, or other fun things. To an extent it is perfectly understandable that soem things shoudl be chilled. This is a PG comment room and there is an eight year old reader and no telling who is lurking in these hallways. Robby has by and large been neutral. His main concern is maintaining order and keeping the CR civil.

I also admit that a lot of flame wars are simply the cause of people with very strong personalities who need to watch their tempers. This was very much the case in the last incident. I admit that I ahve said things that were not very nice and some of my jokes have offended good friends (namely Doug, Spacebabie, and Sevarius Jr). I also admit that first impressions of posters have not been too good. When I first read the TGS CR posts over a year ago, I saw a comment Doug made about feeding Republicans to a dragon and I balked at it, internally, though I set it aside and in fact, Doug has been my roomie at the last two Gatherings and an excellent friend. Doug has created a character in his fics based on me. If I was more prone to knee jerk reactions, I don't know if that would be the case. The same goes with comments made by other posters where I may have balked at a few comments internally, but I don't let it get to me.

We now have new posters and hopefully they will be with us a long time coming like a certain descendant of Scottish nobility who entered here in June of 1998. In some ways we have changed a lot. Some has been for the better, but also a bit for the worst. As for teh do-no-wrong people, I think I might be included among that crowd. I hope after this post, I still am.

Now, on to comments:

Xena Trek> It's good to see you in the CR again. ::unrestrained kisses of passion and stuff not to be mentioned in this CR::

Niamhgold> Whoa!! Maybe it's the fact that most of my parents an dgrandparenst got married in tehir mid to late 20s, but i think 18 or 19 is too young, and I even think 23 or 24 is, especially since we live so much longer than we did a century ago. I hope you find the right guy and the Catholic church requires a six month engagement (unless soem corrupt priest waives it) period before considering marriage. I say make it a year's engagemnet. That shoudl be enough time to know the person well enough to make certain that it is absolutely right.

Silverstar> If I hate it, then it's just for four years. Then I get all the intrinsic and extrinsic benefits of being a veteran and IMO a full American. Plus, I hear USAA offers great insurance.

Doug> I just need to gather it all and e-mail it. It spans a few fanfics and schoolwork has been busy along with my motehr making new demands on me and forcing me to spend more tiem with her new dog. Hmmm...maybe I should joyride my mother :)

Cyborg> Well, some fan clubs are better than others

Skippy> Yeah, we do have internal watchdogs, especially with certain unOrthodox groups like the Call to Action in the US that need to be watched. Thank God Sonny Bono never actually abandoned Mother church for Scientology.

Gside> Our mascot is a wolf and we jsut have a standard contract with coke, but nothing as extreme as Rutgers. I don't see Jesuits getting that corporate. I od like the .50 a can in vending machines giving us an edge over convenience stores.

Happy 33rd Birthday, Christine

Gathering 2001> Well, Los Angeles is a bit far for me, but I will enjoy going, plus I have cousins in Marina Del Ray. I don't think I'd want to live out there, but it should be fun to visit.

Warpmind> Larry Elder is quite amusing and an excellent Libertarian.

Shadowrider> I never felt that way about thunderstorms, though they are more ocmmon in New Orleans.

GXB> Madoc and Oberon are both evil, IMO. Only Oberon seems to have soem sense of honor and Madoc has even less regard for life than Oberon.

Todd> Well, according to Merlin Missy, Derek was in the Panthers. Now, he is a panther. Ironic, ain't it :)

SOROW> You deserve more compliments, I think.

Todd> Do you think Brownies taste like brownies :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:18:46 AM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Happy Birthday Christine!!! I hope it's a good one.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:15:29 AM
IP: 166.109.44.94

Ironwolf> You're right, it would be better to get at the root of the problem and fix it. You also have a good point that things are falling apart from a community perspective. *sighs* It is sad.

Of course, I'm not the social police here. I can't make people like each other or be friends or even treat each other fairly. All I can do is enforce the Official CR Rules to make sure that some angry parent doesn't get him and all of Station 8 taken off Web Wyvern.

As for things going on in other CR's, I don't frequent S8 regular chat and I can't speak for or deal with what goes on in there. I do hope, however, for the best for the entire fandom. I hope things will calm down. I hope both Pistoff and Jewel won't leave us for good.

Meanwhile, all I can do in any official capacity, at least, is keep the places from burning down. :(
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:03:00 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Happy birthday, Christine!! *throws confetti* Now that you're a year older, Starsinger and I (and any other 30somethings that lurk here) feel SO much younger!! Hope Tim and Becca treat you to a grand time today!!

re: tornadoes in DFW>> Heh... the fun isn't over yet. We're expecting more exciting weather this weekend with the potential for more high winds, hail, and possible tornadoes. (I've been through at least 5 tornadoes in my lifetime; after a while you just get used to them.) Spring in Texas is never dull.
Spike
Thursday, March 30, 2000 09:50:30 AM
IP: ppp39-62.ght.iadfw.net

*steps in the room and looks around and sees familiar and unfamiliar faces.*

To the 'new' posters:>> Welcome TCR.

To rest of the group:>> I apologize for not posting in a long while, it all started back in mid-Feburary when my computer contracted a nasty computer virus that caused my system to be unresponsive. It took about 3 *long* weeks to get it cleared up.

Jewel: >> Sorry to see you go, even if I hardly know you, other than what GB and Coyote has told me.

Mara: RE: SN Change >> Thanks for letting me know that your SN has been changed. I also IM'ed you last evening around 7-ish, but didn't get a response.

Re: The Oscars >> Saw the last 2 hours of it... was quite good, although I wasn't expecting Michael Caine to win the supporting actor award, I was hoping Michael Duncan Clark would win. I really wished I saw the 'cleaner' version of "Blame Canada", I really wanted to see that. Anyone got it on tape?

The Sixth Sense: >> Its only $14.99 for DVD over at Suncoast Online. *patiently waiting next to the mailbox*

Star Trek Voyager: >> Probably old news, but since I haven't been here in while... it *is* offical, STV will park the ship at the end of the seventh (next) season. The lastest rumor on the series ender is a dramatic change to 3 or the principles and probably the return of the borg queen. There will also be a special 2 hour episode that will air in November that will tie into the series' final episode.

The Fifth Star Trek series: >> Direct from my source, there is already two concepts in the works, but no further details have been release. One of them includes Capt. Sulu.

Coyote and Cyborg: Re: Computer Animation (Note: I'm not too sure what the question is, but here a response, if it isn't what was asked, please do let me know).>> The key to determin the quality of an animation is where it was produced. Japan's CGI technology is about 5 years ahead of ours (US and Canada), where not only are the images photorealistic, the character movements are 95% flawless, ie Final Fanasty... (I can't think of another feature at the moment) -- hense, the Japanese are into perfection and flawless designs, (sounds like the Borgs -- sorry!). Where as, if we watch the US/Canadian version of Reboot, Starship Troopers and Voltron, we do get the photorealistic images, but the character movements are still a little bit 'stiff'. There are definate improvements over the few years. With the technology growing in such a rapid rate that I think we will not see the line between character moments from both sides of the world within 5 to 7 years.

Jannie aka MamaFox (sorry, your name slipped from my mind, I hope its the right one): >> Got a few 'resturant' analysis booklet thing-a-mi-gig for ya, I'll hunt for your address and send it to you. Anything from the last batch you want me to check out for you?

GB: > *passioned kiss* Thanks for the note.

Enough ranting, time to get back to the long repetitive computation. *groans* Later.

XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 08:34:31 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

IRON WOLF AND EVERYONE-

I think I know what the problem is. I think Jewel typically hit it right on the head.

Now I myself still consider myself new to fandom- but I have noticed the forming of certian groups in fandom- now friends hanging out with friends is cool. But some cliques seem to be hell bent that their opioin and or clique is the only one that should be allowed to exist in fandom.

Does this not go against the very "theme" of the show- that diversity in all its forms is something to celebrated and desired.

Then there is the problem of labels. "If you do like A, then you must be B." I myself ran into this head long in here. Apparently just because I don't like "A" I am a morality cop. Ooooooooookkkkkaaaaaaaay. Where does that reasoning come from?

We have to stop labeling each other, and attacking each other. We need to start looking at each other as people, rather than dismissing or catagorizing each other. Why? Because we can do better than this.
jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 08:08:04 AM
IP: 1cust141.tnt2.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

short quick query: does anyone know how the Rus or the Russians {or anyone living in that area in the past 1100 years} would pronounce this word?: _Syvantoslav_.

again, thanks.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 07:59:10 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Short post before work
I liked the new story and I don’t think any one is going to say it was too short:0)

Toku Kaioto are you sure cr life is going on as usual? Seems more like things are falling apart. I also think I am not the only one to notice this.
But let not discuss the problem of the problem. Let’s try to figure out what the problem is!

ironwolf
Thursday, March 30, 2000 07:48:04 AM
IP: host-209-214-40-1.cha.bellsouth.net

Mr Jensen: thank you. i first heard about it {the food 'payments' for Little Brown Men} in one of the Crossroads series by Nick O'Donohoe. later, i double-checked it with some books on Irish myths, as well as the internet version of _Lao's Guide To The UnBiological Species_ {since removed}.

oddly enough, i don't think the Guide had gargoyles in it.

side note: in {at least one of} my ficverses, a being with three toes {naturally with that #} is either a relative of a gargoyle or a grendel.....oh wait, chirops have - drat! so much for that system.

Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail .com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 07:36:21 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

I've got to admit that I'm another person here who's getting worried over the amount of animosity that's rearing its ugly head in here. Why are so many people suddenly quarreling and jumping down each other's throats? Why the sudden loss of tempers? Whatever's causing it, it's distressing.

It's all the more saddening considering that this is taking place in a comment room full of "Gargoyles" fans. One of the main points of "Gargoyles", after all, was that revenge and feuding are wrong. It's worrying that we seem to be missing that.

RODLOX - Yep, I had brownies in mind; I used the term "lutin" for these chaps, however, on account of the French (or, in this time period, Frankish) setting; lutins are the French equivalent of brownies. And you're quite correct about the terms under which brownies stay with humans (although I must admit, this is the first time that I'd heard about the food that you "accidentally" leave out for them being beer and chips).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 30, 2000 06:53:06 AM
IP: 216.87.46.15.dialup-stl.primary.net

Sorow I'm glad your OK. I knew we had people in the Dallas/Ft Worth area. I'm blessed here in Albuquerque we are in a good location not to have too many natural disasters waiting to happen. The first and so far only tornado to touch down in Albuquerque occurred about l0/12 years ago during the state fair and touched down in the parking lot of Coronado Mall and clipped a church across the street from the mall.

Warpmind - Anstorrian and SCAdian are terms referring to the Society for Creative Anachronism. Ansteora is a kingdom that includes Oklahoma and Texas. SCAdian is a word that means the people in the SCA.
Starsinger
Thursday, March 30, 2000 06:21:33 AM
IP: proxy-672.public.rwc.webtv.net

*Warpmind trots in, followed by his chibi family. Looking around, he finds an unusually gloomy CR...*
Well, what is going on here? *Sigh* Really, this whole flamewar debate is almost on the verge of becoming silly... if this continues, it'll be just us most recent additions who will remain here... C'mon, a few flames are no reason to leave, they'll blow over in time. C'est la vie!

Um, on to replies...

Archwolf: Hey, compadre, I meant no offense when I called the Epee a wussy weapon; I meant strictly that it wasn't as fancy as you first indicated, when I misunderstood it to be electrified. Personally, I'm quite prone to refer to any "conventional", non-enhanced weapon to be kind of wussy. Guns especially. But, if I were to choose a particular sword, I'm kinda leaning toward the bastard sword. :) Gotta love a sword that can easily be wielded with one hand, and used to dismember things efficiently with both hands... >:) Of course, I doubt a bastard sword would be accepted in a duel... ;) By the way, speaking of rapiers... I kinda like the cage guard version... I've been in a mock duel once, and used one of those. Now, truth to be told, I have *no* idea how I accomplished this, but I managed to lure my opponent's rapien into my guard, without it touching my hand, and pried it from his hand thusly... Naturally, he was quite impressed. And I just shrugged it off as an everyday thing. ;) I wonder if they still speak of me with reverence in the weapon replica shops in Prague... :)

David G: Anstorrian? Scadian? What have you been smoking, and why haven't you been sharing with the rest of us? ;) Seriously, though, what do those two words mean?

GXB: Hmmm... you make a good point... and while we're at it, was Xanatos really evil in the early episodes? Was Demona? Hmmm... aw, skip it. I'm in no mood to strangle my brain today. ;)

Jewel: Another one leaves... I shall not argue, but may the winds blow you to safe havens, wherever you shall go...

*Primes an ICBP (InterContinental Ballistic Peanut) and fires it at Patrick Toman for that horrid joke about Talon.*

SJ: The Problem is there, and quite persistent. I instinctually do my best to dodge, avoid and generally strafe out of the way of such problems rather than to add fuel to the fire. Sometimes I fail miserably, though... *Sigh* Problems are part of life, and how we deal with them is part of what defines us as sentient beings. But when the problems finally blow up in one's face, like it has done here, is the right approach to leave? I'm getting philosophical here, and I haven't even touched alcohol for days, I think I would be wise to drop the subject now...

Gside: You provide titles for fanfic *authors*? I'm almost afraid to ask: have you read mine yet? ;) And where the AOL CDs are concerned... what I meant was: aren't they protected by some demonic magic spell?

Wilek: Windows CDs are not too expensive... when you buy blank CDs in large amounts (about 2-3$ apiece, tops), burn Windows onto them, and use them for skeet shooting. Believe me, they're a *lot* cheaper than the clay lumps. And more deserving, as well. >:) Plus, they're more challenging.

Jaden: Independence Day 2? Well, that I *must* see... Maybe it's the day when we go out, kick some alien hiney, and take over their homeworld? No, wait, they didn't *have* a homeworld... hmmm... :)

Well, I gotta be going. Later, bunch. And don't any more of you dare quit the CR, y'hear?
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, March 30, 2000 04:10:16 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

****BEGIN RP!!!****
As the Ravens begin their search, Jaden continues to try to keep his fur from standing on end after the mild shock he recieved from Static Cling before the villain was taken out. As he reaches for his axe he is rewarded with a sharp shock from grasping the metal handle. "OW! OW! OW! OW!"
((ELSEWHERE))
"Thailog, I think you'll be happy to know that I'm almost finished with my latest creation." Alchemist says with a grin. "This little device, when used properly, will cause the brains of the leaders of the Ravens to turn to mush."

****END RP!!!****

Come on people, lets not start falling apart now. We are supposed to be friends here. I do agree that people to have the right to defend themselves, but there are other ways of doing it besides throwing insults and flames back and forth. If someone is trying to mess with you be the bigger person and let the right people deal with that person (CR Administrators). We all have different opinions and beliefs so we should respect and tollerate them. If you want to leave that is your right, but before you do maybe we should all try to work this out first.

Well enough of that for now.

I just read that their making an Independence Day 2. Where is it suppose to go? Just having all the main characters from ID1 standing there looking up at the crashed spaceship in Area 51 and have someone say: "So...what do you want to do now?"

Well I guess I'll go read TD.
See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 03:12:04 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

***TIMEDANCER__SPOILERS***

After the Battle of Tours/Poitiers, eh? Nicely done!!

When the description for their encounter came, I kept thinking "Brownie"!
. and a piece of info hit me: they will work for you, particularly if you 'accidentally' leave beer and chips out for them...but should you thank them, or attempt to pay them, they will leave, and not return.

My Theory on Lutins: on islands, large animals {like elephants} shrink}, and small ones {like hedgehogs} grow.

** **END__TIMEDANCER__SPOILERS** **
Rodlox - [Babnol@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 02:47:01 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

SJ:

<<then her response was then a flame to a flame. And hey, for the life of me, I don't see HER getting blasted for that. By anyone other than me, that is. Tell me, is there some sort of double standard here? Causing using that "Flame for a Flame" logic, SHE is just as guilty, yet no one's calling her on it. >>

Um … OK … someone's missing something here, and it could be me. There is no double-standard over here from Robby at least. He stepped on the flame war, demanding a close to it in order to control the damage in the place. He stepped on everyone. CrzyDemona isn't getting "blasted" by Robby or me as of late for the simple reason that she STOPPED posting flames once Robby warned her.

He's my reasoning here. Sum total of what Robby has said about Pistoff and Demona:

Message Dated:
Thursday, March 23, 2000 09:17:42 PM

<<Pistoff, Crzy Demona, and anyone else involved in this flame war- Stop it right now. Argue to each other privately via e-mail. Not in here. Flame wars will not be tolerated. This is not the first time you two have had serious arguments about the other's character in here. I've ranted about flame wars before. I won't waste my time doing so again, since I obviously waste my time doing so. Shut up now or I'm banning you both, along with anyone else who keeps this flame war going. You are both my friends, but that does not put you above the rules. This is warning one AND two, and I expect this topic to be dead, no matter who has been offended, next time I am in here.>>

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, here, but I believe that BOTH Pistoff and CrzyDemona were addressed the same here. As well, everyone else taking sides in the flame-war were warned off. EVERYONE in the flame war was received the same warning, but Demona AND Pistoff were named primarily, and EQUALLY.

The next ripple in here was from Bengali …

Message Dated:
Friday, March 24, 2000 12:09:51 AM

<<Pistoff and Crzy Demona-I read both of you twos recent posts, all of which were little more than name-calling, if you two want to fight with each other you can go out on the street and pummel each other there but we do not want it here. This is not the place for anyone to fight with anyone else, if you are gonna have a disagreement you can debate it civally with one another, Got it?>>

To which I responded simply.

Message Dated:
Friday, March 24, 2000 12:18:36 AM

<<Bengali> Once Robby (the CR Admin) corrects something like that, that is the LAST anyone is supposed to say about it. It is NOT an invitation to talk down to people because they were chastised. When Robby says drop it, he means EVERYONE drop it.

I'm not picking on you, I'm just clarifying the whole Point of the CR admin Stopping this stuff to you, as you are a bit new here.>>

Point here was to Stop the whole flaming thing … from ALL sides.

At this point … nothing … CR life goes on as usual, with the flame war dead and life moving along just fine. No one is being yelled at, warned, or attacked.

Nothing at all happens, until …

Message Dated:
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 02:03:23 PM

Pistoff's good-bye speech, were he continues to flame and swear. Insults the administrator for not taking sides in his fight and meting out identical punishments to both Pistoff and Demona.

<<Well, go ahead and ban me, then. Go on. Do it. Not that it matters, since I'm leaving anyway. Not
because of the person who attacked me, interestingly enough, but because of your threat of banning me. But while I'm here, I'll give you a quick run-down of what happened, since you apparently weren't paying attention.>>

One would note, however, that the threat of banning was to ANYONE who continued this stupid flame war. Pistoff, Demona, my Grandmother. The point wasn't placing blame in the fight, but that Everyone stop the flame war.

At no point prior to this loud exit has anyone in the Administration singled out Pistoff instead of CrzyDemona.

HOWEVER, CrzyDemona took what Robby said about dropping the whole flame war to heart … in fact, hasn't posted Since.

Pistoff, however, did not leave it alone. He continued to flame, swear, and insult people in this room over the very same issue that Robby tried to stop from burning this place down.

Hence, I stepped in to try and clarify that this entire process isn't about one flame being more "justified" than the another. It is about a No Flaming policy along the rules of this CR. Pistoff was specifically addressed because he continued in the above post to violate these rules. I felt it needed to be made clear that there is No Justified Flaming, and to make sure that a poor example was not set.

People start to talk about how unfair it is to be picking on Pistoff.

Robby posts to try and make it clear AGAIN that he's not picking on Pistoff, that he warned Pistoff and CrzyDemona unilaterally to stop the flaming.

The reason Crzy is not being dragged out into the street and publicly beaten is simple:

No, she is not blameless in this. We aren't placing blame. We are stopping the flame war, and nothing more.

The reason ~ I ~ picked out Pistoff after his last post:

Because he continued to do exactly what Robby warned him to stop doing in the first place.

Where CrzyDemona to have done the same thing as Pistoff, she'd have received the same response.

HOWEVER, she's not let out so much as a match to the flaming in this CR since Robby called for an end to it, thus she's not been addressed.

It is regretable that people are going to leave the room over this mess. It sucks to lose people, and it lessens us as a group, and our growth as individuals. Still, the rules are the rules: No flaming. If you can't abide those rules, I'm sorry, but they aren't changing. Robby tries to be lenient, but when the warnings come down with a call to stop, it isn't time to play "Yeah, but." It is time for it to stop, for everyone.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, March 30, 2000 01:55:35 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Color Test> Has Dark Cyan been used?

The Situation> SJ and others have said much of what I would want to say, better than I can say it.

SJ> <> I think she may have gotten a chewing-out from Deuce, but that was around the time the room was randomly wiping itself (well, one of the times anyhow), so I may have hallucinated that (I do that a lot; apologies to Deuce if that is the case here)...

Fire Storm> <<Nope. Worse :)>> :O <long pause> I'm amazed this country survived industrialization...<<Now THATS funny!>> <bows> Thank ye. ^_^

Warpmind> <<I think the remaining Joyriders should now vote over keeping Pistoff, Jack Hammer and Cthulhu in the Joyride, since Pistoff has officially left, and those three *are* his characters... They will still remain in the Personnell section, since they are involved in the original sequences, but... do we or do we not continue with them?>> Hm...I'll ask Pistoff if it's OK with him, in my next E-mail to him. <<But, I have been doing some skeet shooting with Win '95 CDs...>> Um...aren't those a little expensive for skeet shooting targets? O_o'

Greg XB> <<Is Madoc Morfryn and his Unseelie Court truly evil? Madoc is right about humanity being immature (look at Bosnia and the Holocaust), and maybe someone should restore order. And he did not hate the Gargoyle race, he was trying to preserve his own life. He was a good leader, no worse than Oberon. Yes he destoyed Umbriel, but he commited high treason, Oberon would've done worse. Oberon destroyed an entire continent, Atlantis, for no reason. Madoc has never done anything on that scale for no reason.>> Interesting thoughts. I've always thought that the main difference between Oberon and Madoc was that the latter cared even less who he hurt in the pursuit of his goals. That, and Madoc's goals were less than noble in the first place--he wanted to take Titania from Oberon, her rightful legal husband. Pretty dishonorable.

Jewel> <sigh> Two losses in the same week...such things should not be. :( Fare thee well, friend...

Ironwolf> Welcome back. :)
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, March 30, 2000 01:25:20 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Whoops. Here's the link
Kyryn - [<<--clicky, clicky]
Denton, TX
Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:43:56 AM
IP: denm1-22.iglobal.net

***Kyryn steps in and says in her best announcer's voice:

Gentlebeings,

We now present another Timedancer Story.

It was the best of times...it was the worst of times...

Presenting A Tale of Two Gates

Written by Todd Jensen

Artwork by Jessice Entis

***Kyryn steps aside from the mad rush of dwellers who are off to read the new story***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:42:32 AM
IP: denm1-22.iglobal.net

Grey (yeah, it's been done, but just for the heck of it...)

Fire Storm> colors: I know I've done Green and Dark Cyan, and I'm pretty sure I've labeled them.

Warpmind> <<there is *no* way to buy Jolt Cola of any sort in Norway>>: I think it's also illegeal in New Jersey, or something.
<<Ooo, you can microwave AOL CDs?>>: You can microwave any CDs (~7 seconds is all you really need), it's just that AOL deserves it. And the best part is that you end up with art.

So, we have now lost both the Lyricist and the Modern Allusionist...

(Note: I find it interesting to come up with titles for those fanfic authors I have read)

Goodbye, without rancor: Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,/And by opposing end them?
Yet ere I take my longest last farewell.

Silverstar> <>: Did you try Winamp or Sonique?

Sev. Jr.> <<Maybe some of you don't see a problem. Maybe the reason no one sees a problem *is* the problem>>: I believe I see a problem. I hope I am not contributing to any problem. I try to distance myself from the problems I have encountered. I do not see any direct way I can aid the solution to the problem. I wish this was not necessary.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:38:01 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Well, what a fun week it's been for me. I'm still completely mental over this Pistoff situation, and now one of my favorite people in all fandom, Ms. Jewel Faulkner (and Jewel you know I'm not being sarcastic on this one), has decided to leave as well. That's two kicks in the pants in one week.

I'm gonna get into this cause I got to vent. At this point, I'm not caring for all this "let's just drop the subject" BS cause frankly, now that two people have left, I think it's about time somebody got off their ass and said something about it.

I'm still pissed and frustrated over the Pistoff situation. I'm more upset than Fred is, to be honest. Because as Jewel pointed out, there are a hell of a lot of people still following this "do no wrong" policy (and before someone calls me on it, I don't feel that Pistoff "did no wrong"--he shouldn't have reacted like he did. I readily admitt to that). It's almost as if suddenly lines have been drawn, and cliques have formed here in the CR.

Doug, forgive me for saying this, but that excuse from Greg? Definitely some of the best BS I've heard in a long time. After reading his email, I find even less sympathy for Crzy in her comments toward Pistoff. Why? Let me use the words of our own CR Sage--"Don't answer a flame with a flame." Kaioto got on Pistoff for doing just that. Well, if Crzy had a problem with Fred bringing up Becca, is it possible she could have just said a simple post saying "I don't appreciate you doing that?" Or better yet, sent an email to him on the matter. Instead, she chose to write a message specifically aimed to ridicule him. That's a flame in my book. And if she thought his initial comments about Becca were offensive, meant to insult, or were at all flame worthy, then her response was then a flame to a flame. And hey, for the life of me, I don't see HER getting blasted for that. By anyone other than me, that is. Tell me, is there some sort of double standard here? Causing using that "Flame for a Flame" logic, SHE is just as guilty, yet no one's calling her on it.

I've been thinking about this whole situation these last couple days, and sweet Jesus, I agree so much with Jewel. Something is very, very wrong in the CRs. I'd like to voice my utter appreciation to Scott. As most of you probably know, this past weekend Scott posted about how he felt the CRs or the fandom in general needed some changes, and part of his ideas dealt with the undercurrent of hostility that seems to be present here. Of course, he was shot down as the prophet of doom (and ironically enough, one of his detractors was in fact Crzy). But he's right. There is something very, very wrong here in the CRs. I don't think this is me exagerrating here, and I don't think it can be denied, seeing as TWO people who used to be quite a big part of the CRs are now leaving them indefinitely. Lately, it's gotten to the point where we can never even get into a discussion on certain topics, like religion or politics, without things degenerating into an argument. I realize that I myself have been a perpetrator in quite a few cases. But at least I'm trying to pull my head out of my ass, look around at the mess I perceive things to be, and ask "What the hell happened?" If you want to blame this all on ego, I've got a news flash--it's NOT just Pistoff's ego, no matter what some of us may say. It's a lot of egos colliding at once, and I'm at a loss to explain just how things have degenerated into what they are.

Maybe some of you don't feel this way. Maybe some of you don't see a problem. Maybe the reason no one sees a problem *is* the problem. But as of the last three days, two people who I care about have decided to leave the CR indefinitely. And that saddens and disturbs me immensely.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:17:47 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

I haven’t been able to post for five months due to some personal problems. Heck I have really only been able to come but once a week to the cr for a while. This changed though over the last week and a half. I have been able to enter the room once a day. It has been a very sad time. Pistoff I understand while you are leaving and well hopefully you will still lurk. JEWEL yea I agree with you. We all want to be heroes defending the innocent from evil, but as we go tilting at windmills we have all forgotten one thing. There is no one truly evil in this room. Funny I made a similar post months back during another flame war. I am guilty for overreacting to things written about me that looking back I wish I had been calmer. I really think too many people are wanting to slay dragons where no dragons can be found. None of this is an insult to any one and like I said I am guilty for overreacting too.
I used to worry that the room was getting too PC. That was a large fear of mine and I posted about it. Isn’t the reason we loved Gargoyles so much is that it pushed the envelope? That it dealt with real issues? Pain Death Love Passion Regret Emotion life. The CR used to have this as we dealt with one another.
Sorry I will kick the soapbox back to the middle of the room again I just needed to say something in the dark week we lose two members

ironwolf - [cag16@bellsouth.net]
Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:05:17 AM
IP: host-216-78-83-147.cha.bellsouth.net

Starsinger/Teresa> Joe and I live in the D/FW area and we were only about thirty minutes from where the tornado was. Joe thought it was funny how I was acting, but frankly I was terrified! We were planning to go see a movie and right before I left to call him, it started to rain really hard. So I turn on the weather channel and the radar shows that the tornado is heading straight towards our town! I sat in front of the TV for an hour crying because I was so scared. I was all by myself too. It's just that natural disasters scare me more than criminal ones because you can't do a thing about it. And I consider myself a moderately brave person. But it never hit us and I'm thanking God for it!

Doug> No, I don't receive many compliments from guys or girls. But that is the price with having a leadership position. You have to be firm with everyone and when you're only trying to keep order and be efficient, everyone thinks that you're just being bitchy. It's awfully sad. But thank you for the kind words. *hugs*
SOROW
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 11:24:56 PM
IP: dll2a010-0629.splitrock.net

Stormy> Yes I have read Raksha's stuff. She has helped change my outlook on a lot of things. If anyone in here likes TFs of any kind, I recomend her stuff.

Coyote> Sorry to hear about that. But I am looking forward to getting to LA. I also here that someone is already planning Gathering 2002.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:00:10 PM
IP: dialin-1197-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Um, just came in to say that I was looking at the season three of TD and it says season two at top. Don't know if you are going to fix it or if ya know about it but I just wanted to tell ya.

Thank you and good bye! ***
silverstar
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 09:38:12 PM
IP: l1p48.dav.mother.com

At last I come in here...

I have only this to say- one less voice diminishes us all.

jenna
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 09:08:12 PM
IP: 1cust54.tnt8.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

**skims through the room** Yeep, I skip one day and all hell breaks loose. Ah well ...

Christine: AACK! Your B-day snuck up on me! Well, ya should be getting something belatedly within the next week or so ...

G2001: *sigh* Los Angeles. Great. So much for next year ...
**sighs again** I've said it before, but I'll say it once more for emphasis ... is it just me or does it seem like the Winslow group is portrayed as kind of a "black sheep" of the fandom a lot of the time? I only ask because on IM this evening the opinion came up that it was the LA group's "higher fandom clout" won them the bid. I dunno, call me crazy ...

XenaTrek: **reads scenelet** Ahh, I remember that. **turns to the group** She didn't say it in as many words, but XenaTrek actually animated that sequence in college for a course in 3D rendering. She still has the tape, and I have a copy as well. :)

**sneaks out hoping to avoid any further trouble**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 08:49:07 PM
IP: zzz-209252248052.splitrock.net

*grey gargoyle flies into the room with Decepticon logos painted on her wings*

Someone spoke the name of the mighty Raksha?? ]:-}

Greg: From a human point of view, any human would be an idiot not to support the Autobots. Morally, while I have my moments, I'd probably be Autobot in the end. But if I was built as a Cybertronian...put totally in a fantasy world...

...heh heh heh...

DECEPTICONS FOREVER!!!

RE" Madoc: Again, as per the Deceps--Madoc probably does not consider himself "evil" and Oberon has done worse than he ever did. But there are, in the end, aspects I can't support, and that's the willingness to destroy innocent life for a greedy cause. Yes, I know the "good guys" have done that too, but I'm most apt to support the one that's NOT doing it, or is doing it LESS.

JEWEL: i understand, I've been noticing it too, and as I said last week, I'm not in here as often as I used to be, but I'm still alurk every once in a while. As every other year, i'll be gone for three months in the summer while I'm at the Forces Base.

Leaving the board doesn't necessarily mean leaving the fandom. YOu might not be as active in the fandom--I'm not as active as I used to be--but I still call myself a gargoyles fan.

GREG: Go read Raksha's fic if you haven't already. INCREDIBLE stuff.
Vehicon Captain Stormy!
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 08:46:30 PM
IP: 50383b.huron.uwo.ca

Archwolf> I wasn't trying to say SCA lightfighting was fencing, it's worlds different. I just have a natural tendency to dispense trivia, and you happened to bring up a subject I enjoy talking about.

Dell 10's do hurt, but not as much as you'd think in an SCA match. SCA Lightfighters wear about twice as much protective gear as line fencers (and have more coverage since they include a hood under the mask), and the guys who use the big swords either (a) are stupid and like pain, or (b) wear even thicker gear.

I've done both, and I prefer lightfighting, but then again my motives for fencing are somewhat unusual.

Anyway, sorry if I caused any confusion or whatever. I make lots of posts from work, where I have to be brief.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 08:38:41 PM
IP: dll2a020-1228.splitrock.net

Just a few things.

Jewel> sorry to see you go. I didn't really know you but I am still sorry that you are going. : (

Doug> I just tried to read the fan- fics and um, I can't get into them. I don't know how long it will take but I will try to read them.

What is it with everyone leaving? I know that sometimes it is kind of tense (for lack of a better word) in here, but there are good topics that you can comment on. Jewel does have a point though. Sometimes I don't even want to come in here until things have settleed down. *I* however am not going to leave unless something *bad* happens to me or I do something inappropriate. Hopefully I never do cause I have read the rules several times. Hope no one else is planning to leave though. (looks hopeful) I would really feel bad.

Theme songs> Could someone get the real player version up? I *really* want to listen to them. I have tried to get them down loaded on a different program, but was unsuccessfull. Please try!

Pistoff> I never really knew you. I am sorry that you want to leave though : (

Boy, after this post I feel really down. (sigh) Well, write later.

*bye*
silverstar
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 08:11:55 PM
IP: l2p48.dav.mother.com

Todd > Actually, the thing I've always wondered is whether Peter and Diane Maza tell people that their son has become a Black Panther...

:: smirks and slips out quickly ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 07:59:51 PM
IP: 98cd1e1d.ipt.aol.com

Well, this is a post I hoped I'd never make, but it looks like I am.

I'm leaving the CR.

I know I'm not the most regular of posters, and there's a reason for that. When I am a regular poster, I see things and read things that begin to turn me off to this place,and I post less and less often...and then, eventually, I come back, and the circle repeats itself. But I, frankly, have had it.

This whole mess with Crzy and Pistoff was not what sparked my desire to leave, but I can say it helped solidify it.

The CR used to be a fun and interesting place to go. But now, it's being flattened into a kind of sterile homogenaity (and I *know* that got spelled *so* wrong) that disturbs me. There are some people that seem to be able to say no wrong (the example I'll give is the "Sage".) The ability to say what you think is being stiffled--and I'm not just talking about flame wars, I'm talking about just the right to say one's one opinion. It's been happening slowly but steadily, and I think I notice it more because I *don't* post here that often. It always kinda nagged at me, but I think I noticed--within the last few weeks--just how bad it had gotten.

And worse, things have become politicised and polarized. The "Do-No-Wrong" syndrom. Many seem to have this kind of following, and those who have difference of opinions with the "Do-No-Wrongers" tend to get attacked, and have things made uncomfortable...and one by one, the voices of dissent; the voices of differing opinions; the voices of difference, become silent and disappear, with either a final raging bang, or a silent whimper of simply posting no more.

I have chosen the middle path. I will nto simply vanish off without a word of reason, nor storm off in a rage. This is simply my good-bye. I hope all of y'all understand my reasoning. I consider many of you friends, and consider many of you almost-firends--with a little more time, who knows. I'm not leaving with hard feelings toward anyone. I'll post from time to time, annoucning a story, but, as we all know, that will only be once or twice more.

Please, any of you who wish, feel free to e-mail me. I'd love to hear from y'all outside of here.

I leave with a line from "La Boheme"--my favorite line ofthe opera.

"Addio. Addio, senza rancor."
jewel faulkner - [jewel@2snew.com]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 07:48:02 PM
IP: atlnb104-42.splitrock.net

meant sorry not soor
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 07:36:46 PM
IP: dialin-68-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Soor for the 2x post

I'd like everyone to really think about this topic. Not just say Madoc is evil because he is "the villain" but really think about it.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 07:34:43 PM
IP: dialin-68-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Holy crud, my brother and I need to mail in our registration forms.

Now the other reason I'm here. I was reading some essays by a Transformers fan named Raksha on why the Decepticons are not evil (http://www.plumed-serpent.com). So that leads me to a debate I'd like to bring up for the TGS CR.

Is Madoc Morfryn and his Unseelie Court truly evil? Madoc is right about humanity being immature (look at Bosnia and the Holocaust), and maybe someone should restore order. And he did not hate the Gargoyle race, he was trying to preserve his own life. He was a good leader, no worse than Oberon. Yes he destoyed Umbriel, but he commited high treason, Oberon would've done worse. Oberon destroyed an entire continent, Atlantis, for no reason. Madoc has never done anything on that scale for no reason.

All Madoc wanted was to bring about the Fay's mainifest destiny. The United States has done this and worse. What he definetly was was an imperialist.

Just some food for thought. i always find subjects like this interesting
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 07:24:03 PM
IP: dialin-68-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

David><<The Germans have a slightly bigger sword than the eppe, it's called a Schlager (sp?) which is German for "Sword" (not real creative there, but then again most foreign words are hopelessly mundane once you get them translated. They use it in that terrifying/boring style of fencing they practice where you don't move much, and don't wear nearly enough protective gear>>Yeah, but it _isn't_ for fencing. It is used in a type of duel (either schmiss (sp) or mensuer(sp again)..not sure which is the real name for it). This type of duel is done in fraternities and is illegal (though there is a trend of increasing ER cases of german students bearing a schmis (scar) from these duels. As for the Dell 10, I have used a blade like it, manufactured by Triplette Competition Arms (Called, interstingly enough, Schlaeger). I have dueld with them, and they...um, well, hurt. One of my friends took one in the small of the back and he had back problems from it for a month(lesson: DON'T attempt pasata soto (sp) when your opponent is leaping into the air). As for fighting with two daggers, only once. Never again. Two lightweight transitional rapiers are fun. Just gets heavy after a short time. And SCA isn't fencing, either.

*Awaiting TD* Shade and Sweet
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 07:12:44 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

PATRICK - About your latest report on the Gathering 2K: I can't help but think that it's kind of appropriate that the guest from Wildlife Rescue is going to be accompanied by a Florida Panther, in light of Derek/Talon.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 07:11:55 PM
IP: 216.87.46.37.dialup-stl.primary.net

IMPORTANT - Gathering 2000, Orlando Bulletin

If you aren't on the G2K mailing list, then you may not know that the registration prices go up on April 1st (no fooling!) Get your registration postmarked by March 31st at the latest and you can still get the lower $30 rate!

Also, the t-shirt contest is coming to a close as well. If you want to design a t-shirt for Gathering 2000, then check out the contests section of the website! All entries are due by April 31st! (Submission details and information is available on the web site as well.)

G2K promises to be a fun time for all. Confirmed guests include Greg Weisman, Thom Adcox-Hernandez, and Bert Wahl of Wildlife Rescue, Inc., who will be there with a real live Florida Panther.

With cooperation of Disney, G2K is also offering discounted passes to the Disney parks in Orlando. For more info, see the web site!

And finally... don't forget to resume your room at the hotel ASAP. G2K takes place during the height of the tourist season in Orlando, and hotel rooms are disappearing fast. A special rate of $60 per night has been set for the con. Once again, detailed information can be found on the web site.

Clicky, clicky below!
Patrick Toman - [<-- G2K Website - Register Now Before Rates Go Up!]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 06:49:27 PM
IP: 98cd1e1d.ipt.aol.com

<Shadowrider enters, thoughtful>

Hallo, lads and lasses! Tonight, for some reason, I feel strangely...introspective. There's a thundestorm out here tonight. It's come suddenly from the north - from the mountains. My room is lightened only by the monitor and by the sudden lightning bolts. I've always liked thunderstorms. There's something in them...power for sure, and a sense of...elemental fury (I don't know how to explain that in a different way). I've always liked the rumbling of thunders that make the ground tremble, the flashes of light, the rain arrowing from the sky, the howling and twisting of wind. Sometimes, as I feel myself more weird than usual, in a night like this one I take my bike and go outside, riding in the storm, running on the flooded roads, fighting with elements. It is a useless risk, it is something very near to madness, and I know it - but, somehow, I feel the need to do it, to test myself, to see I'm able to face the heat. In a night like this one, I'd like to have wings on my back, to fly outside in the rain and wind, dodging bolts. In a night like this one.

< Shakes his head, returning to reality >

Ok, stop now. Sorry for the piece of delirium above. I have to be more tired than I believed. By the way, I have a strange impulse...each time I see outside the flash of a lightning bolt, I feel the urge to go outside and see if a certain sphere of flames we all know well has just dropped a couple of timedancing gargoyles right in the middle of my garden...

Oh, well, leave it behind.

< Reads the recent comments >

About the main event...well, I really have nothing to say.

Niamhgold:> Gosh! I'm sorry to hear about your hand. I hope now it is OK. I know how frostbite is painful. As someone said, "La fortuna è cieca, la sfiga invece ci vede benissimo!" (Luck may be blind, but misfortune sees perfectly). My wishes for a quick healing.

Rodlox:> <...you're wonderfully eloquent and good with the sciences...> <blushes a little> Well, thank you for the compliments, but I think I don't deserve them. I know very little about biology, just a few things I studied at HS. Anyway, thank you. For your "help" (don't worry, I'm taking it in the ruìight way-at least, I hope so...;) )...well, I think you're right. About human appendix...hmmm, I think I'll be better to wait a little before classifying it (just a little- in evolutionary scale, of course, about a million years or so...;))

Kyryn:> Cowboy Bebop: whoa, I love that show. I discovered it just a few weeks ago, but I think it is great. Actually, I think I'm developing a crush on Faye Valentine...;)

Doug:> You're welcome :)

Oscars:> Well, I've seen "American Beauty" a few days ago and I liked that, so I can't say I'm afraid it was the Best Movie. I'm also glad that "Matrix" has won a bunch of Oscars on its own (Actually, the "technical" prizes).

TD:> Another episode in a few hours - I can hardly wait.

Well, outside the storm keeps on. I think I'm better to close - power may turn off.
Good night to everyone.

<Goes out, taking his helmet on his way >
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 04:47:33 PM
IP: h213-3-229.mi.infinito.it

Aaron enters and heads right for DC.

I don't even have time to list all the stuff this is for, that's how bad my week has been. So... Get him boys!

At Aaron's signal, Chibi-Dracon, Chibi-Glasses, and Chibi-Pal Joey appear. The trio tie DC up, give him a pair of concrete shoes, and send him to sleep with the (pirhana) fishes.

Catch-up post, so I may run a bit long.

Today is the birthday of Eric Idle, and the Prince of Greyness John Major, who're both 57. Also the b-day of Christopher Lambert, who's character I hope to get around to inclusion in my ficverse eventually.

The Oscars> I'm with GB. The last time I cared was when Braveheart was up for everything. I liked American Beauty, I just thought Sixth Sense was better. Stir of Echoes was also better, IMHO, and Princess Mononoke and Any Given Sunday were *way* better, and got completly shafted.

I didn't watch because I was at a SAAS meeting. For those who have not seen Perfect Blue, you *really* should. I think it's the strangest thing I've ever seen that didn't have David Lynch attached to it, and definately the strangest thing I've watched since Wild Palms aired.

We also watched Ah My Mini-Goddess, which follows the adventures of Chibi-Skuld, Belldandy, and Urd. (Aaron waves his hands and the Mini-goddesses appear) Aren't they cute? (Notices Chibi-Urd eyeing Tony and poofs them back out again)

Also saw the pilot of the Hammerman animated series, but if I think about it anymore, I might have a convulsion.

G2001> Well, it's LA. If any members of Team Dirigo are reading this, don't give up. There's always 2002.

Picked up the first Transmetropolitan TPB, and I gotta say... Damn! Most of the stuff Garth Ennis writes is amazing by the standards of the comic industry but this, this is amazing even by the standards of the great Garth. Very powerful. Buy it, borrow it, steal it if you have to, but read it.

SJ> Aw c'mon, who hasn't wanted to ducttape a little kid to the wall? Yet another use for ducttape! ;)

Jenna><<who doesn't believe their home team is the best?!>> Talk to SJ. He'll tell his home team sucks. And I'm looking forward to reading your new fic. Cursed RL, always in the way.

Mara> Are you having problems getting your e-mail?

Pistoff> Good-bye Pistoff. I will miss you.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 03:46:33 PM
IP: ppp-239.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Pistoff> If that's what you really want... I hope to run into you on ICQ sometimes. I'll have to send you my little brother's number, since I usually run the net from his computer these days.

Archwolf> The Germans have a slightly bigger sword than the eppe, it's called a Schlager (sp?) which is German for "Sword" (not real creative there, but then again most foreign words are hopelessly mundane once you get them translated. They use it in that terrifying/boring style of fencing they practice where you don't move much, and don't wear nearly enough protective gear. The Society for Creative Anachronism had an armory in spain build a "sport" sword to their specifications. It's called a Dell 10 (sp? again). I've handled one briefly. It's almost exactly like a real rapier, except that the blade is spring steel, so it collapses under the impact of a thrust. I think they're only using them in Texas right now. The last time I checked, there were four in use in the whole Known World, and three were in my general area.

Anstorrians are crazy people, for any Scadians in the room. I can say that, since I'm an Anstorrian. I probably misspelled Anstorrian, though. :)

I personally like Sabre grips on my weapons, since they're fairly ambidexterious. Have you ever had the chance to fight with two daggers? It requires a radically different fighting style than sword and dagger. I kind of like it, but I have trouble finding opponents who are willing to do it. I also always have to borrow a dagger.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 03:44:26 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

color = Gold

*peeks out of the fox hole*Hmm...looks safe.

Warpmind>Your own PRG, huh? Spiffy. Good luck with it. Oh, and that crack about Epee's being a wuss's weapon, watch it!! As I said, it is a Sport Weapon. It is the heaviest weapn in sport fencing. It is the BEST weapon in sport fencing. If i had to duel, though, I am not bad with a transitional rapier (with shell gaurd...can't stand cage gaurds)backed up by a main gauche (rigged right handed instead of left, since i am a lefty).

G2001>Poo...yet another gathering I won't be able to attend.

Relgion and Scientology>Never touch the stuff.

Mecord>Hope RL allows you to come back soon.

Gotta run. Copmuting to do.
Shade and Sweet Water

Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 03:30:48 PM
IP: viking203-43.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Dark Purple.

Are any of our 'room mates' living in the Ft Worth Area? I heard about the tornado in the downtown area yesterday and am hoping no one got caught in it.
Starsinger
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 03:10:57 PM
IP: proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net

color=Plain orange

Just a few quick words before I go and make an a$$ of myself by presenting my modular project.

Pistoff- Sorry I didn't get to know you too well, but what has been said you remind me a lot of my cousin Cutter (yes, that's his LEGAL name)

TD- hopefully tonight's will be as good as the last one.

NOTE TO ALL DEAMONS AND/OR HUMANS PRESENT

Tommorrow is Christine's birthday and are there for obligated to give her a hard time and lots of love.

Gotta fly, later
Revel - [Samrx5@cs.com]
hell, tx
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 02:16:18 PM
IP: spider-wd082.proxy.aol.com

***** Script for an animated short; "The Room" with slight alteration for TCR *****

Thunder and lightning strikes across the skies above a hidden military facility whose location is known only by the top level brass in the Pentagon.

A long narrow hallway, lit by the low glow from two rows of red beacon lights, distance six feet apart. As the beacons 'flashes', a trail of cool green ooze laced the floor in a pattern of footprints leading up to a slightly jarred double door encased in a 'Restricted Area. The panel on the right that once glow red is now 'humming' with a flashing light with a small automatronic voice stating "Intruder, Intruder Alert" repeating itself over and over again.

Inside, a state-of-the-art computer on the far side of the room is laced with the same green ooze found in the hallway. The screen flickers in sync with the klaxon sound of the alarm blasting throughout the entire room. Within the flickering screen, one can make out a skull and crossbow, with a faint sound of laughter cackling thru the speakers.

A fowl smell arises from behind the consul to a small 'opening' in the wall. A closer examination of the 'opening' reveals vent cover that has been torned and mangled open, with the green ooze dripping off of the debris. Inside the 'opening' the green ooze follows into the darkness. A pair of eyes lights up within the darkness along with a low soft growl that closely resembles the cackling from the speakers of the computer.

(Players: DC the Gremlin and the Computer Virus)

***** End of Script *****

Post to be continued…

XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 01:54:25 PM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Firestorm> Bright Red
GXB - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 08:04:24 AM
IP: 166.109.44.133

*Warpmind sneaks in, followed by his chibis.*

Hi again.

Fire Storm: You know, I think I'll just make that extra-strong coffee, and pass on the Jolt Cola. This because it is impossible to acquire in Norway. Really, there is *no* way to buy Jolt Cola of any sort in Norway. There are a few boost drinks available, mostly guaran-based stuff that tastes like <Censored>, but nothing strong. :(

Kyryn: Hey, that project you mention there sounds much like the RPG I'm working on... set on an alien world, where the ultimate purpose is to chase the human invaders away... I've got a lot of work to do before it will be properly publishable, but I'm making good progress. :)

Green Baron: True, 110 years is still a rare age, but will it be in just 20 or 30 years? Remember, they're working on rejuvenation drugs today. (Of course, those rejuv drugs are nothing compared to what the Illuminati already have, or what the Nereus Project will achieve for the Inner Council...) And that USELESS law... *choke* Memo to self: never read news articles while consuming nutritients of any sort...

Pistoff: I cannot possibly see anything I might say to keep you here, so... ciao, buddy. Your Joyride segments will be missed. In fact... I think the remaining Joyriders should now vote over keeping Pistoff, Jack Hammer and Cthulhu in the Joyride, since Pistoff has officially left, and those three *are* his characters... They will still remain in the Personnell section, since they are involved in the original sequences, but... do we or do we not continue with them?

Doug: You're welcome. :) And I, too, hope to get my RPG system up to a publishable size. With luck, I may even make a half-decent profit on it. :) Watch out, TSR; there's a New Kid in Town! >;)

Cyborg: Well said. How many wars haven't been fought between those fan clubs? ;)

Gside: Ooo, you can microwave AOL CDs? Hmmm... never tried that, I'll admit. But, I have been doing some skeet shooting with Win '95 CDs... >:) Oh, and if you plan to hack AOL, try asking that Welshman who got Bill Gates' credit card info from the Microsoft servers for a few tips. :) (True story. LOL!)

Well, seems the main topic today was the Dissolution of the Flame War (hey, sounds like a good title for a fanfic, no?), and I have nothing further to contribute... so, RP time.

**RP**
Warpmind hides around a corner and waits for Kaioto to return with the Quencher on his heels. After a short while, Kaioto comes running, sword in hand, at impressive velocities. Shortly after comes the Quencher.
"Oh, hello, Quencher. I've got something for you..."
As the Quencher slows down and begins to turn, Warpmind fires his shotgun, making a nice, big hole in the Quencher's torso. It immediately begins to regenerate, but Warpmind tosses the shotgun away, pulling up a small get from his pocket.
"I have been searching for you, Quencher. You see, this is a Realmsfarer matter, as well as personal."
The Quencher drops her mace and grins.
"Hah, I killed the Realmsfarer two years ago, in her own bridal shower."
Warpmind nods grimly.
"So you believe. But, there was a minor detail you were unaware of. Because she liked my family name so much, she had already started using it... she was not born de InzanE."
The Quencher raises a brow.
"Say again?"
"You didn't kill the Realmsfarer prior to her wedding. You killed the Realmsfarer's fiancée. My fiancée. And now you're already a little weakened, and I'm vengeful... I am to maintain the balance, and am as such not authorized to slay you, nor is it possible for me to do so, without a massive energy surge that will make this whole station perish..."
The Quencher grins and picks up her mace again, her torso now regenerated.
"So, you're the Realmsfarer? Then I'll take care of you for real this time."
Warpmind raises the small gem between them.
"I think not. 'Soul take flight from flesh to stone, ever trapped, cold and alone, until returned to fleshly state, your body will live, and watch, and wait.' Soul, leap into this Soulstone!"
A brief flash of light, and the gem begins to shine. The others arrive, having heard the commotion. Warpmind nudges the soulless body with his foot, scowling at it.
"She still lives, no will can move her body. I shall return when I've disposed of her soul properly, but for now, place her body in the brig."
Wilek raises his hand, as if to grab Warpmind.
"Hold on, what is going..."
Warpmind flicks up his old medallion, and disappears.
**END RP**

No, the Quencher is not dead. Just immobilized. Permanently. Further explanation will follow in a later RP post.

Later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 05:54:37 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**Dances joyously around the room, while quietly in the background 2 children are seen speed dialing the local psychiatric hospital**

"...The location of the Gathering 2001 will be Los Angeles, California."

**dances and sings, "I'M GOING..I'M GOING!!"** WoooHooo! It's "right" up the street from me!! (Okay so it's actually about 2+ hours up the freeway from me...) I'm really looking forward to next years Gathering, especially as RL circumstances prevent me from attending this year. ={ I was really looking forward to going to Orlando and meeting many of you there. I'm sure that the G2001 staff will make the 5th anniversary one to remember. The only bone I have to pick with the LA staff is that they didn't include San Diego on the list of attractions for "Reasons why to pick LA." After all, one of the best reasons for going to LA is because SD is so close, and everyone can visit me! *phhhhtttt*

Anyhoo...congrats to the LA staff on being selected as the host of G2001. I'm sure it was a difficult decision to make. Hopefully the Portland, Maine staff will re-submit their proposal for G2002.

Fire Storm>> <<Note to kids: Don't try this at home.>> try what??

Stephen>> WELCOME BACK!!!

Oh yeah...color=Dark Rich Orange
Katara_O - [Katara_O@hotmail.com]
San Diego..(right down the road from LA!!), CA
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 02:21:32 AM
IP: 98aca1bd.ipt.aol.com

Greetings all!

Just wanted to pass along...I'm BACK! Yes, finally got most of the move to the new apartment done, and I'm back on the internet on my new account (HOORAY!), so I should have more time to come in and take part in the discussions in here. :)

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 01:43:21 AM
IP: m101.ieway.com

Color = None

Just making absolutely sure of a color for the website.

Note to kids: Don't try this at home.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 12:52:55 AM
IP: t2-34.visitus.net

Color = Red

Ok everyone! Thanks for everyones help with the text colors! Here is a list of the colors that we do not have: (NOTE: The colors page has been updated to show the colors we do have)
Bright Red
Pink
Pale Pink
Dark Rich Orange
Pale rich orange
dark orange
bright orange
pale orange
pale peach
yellow
dark yellow
bright yellow
bright pale yellow
gold
green
grass green
pale grass green
dark cyan
bright cyan
cyan tint
dark blue
purple
bright purple
indigo

(32 down, 24 to go)

Have you noticed how many people have responded the way Pistoff did?

I don't know about anyone else, but I personally will miss Pistoff.

Wilek: <I'm starting to wonder if managers really are as bad as Dilbert seems to imply...>
Nope. Worse :)
<They're real; *she's* fake. :P>
Now THATS funny!
<Dark peach>
Wow! I didn't even know that was a color!

SJ: <And that Pistoff *was* acting civilly, until her remarks were made.>
Definately. I think that her post basicailly came out of nowhere. Pistoff was, IMHO, acting very civil towards her in the begining.

I just hope that Pistoff at least sees all of the support he has in this room.
Fire Storm - [<--- Text colors page]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 12:47:03 AM
IP: t2-34.visitus.net

Well, it is officially Wednesday, so I am changing the mp3. Even though it is one that I rather like, it doesn't seem to fit the attitudes surrounding the Great Kerns-Anderson Conflict. Here's hoping that the mp3 helps to change them (the attitudes).
Last time, I said I felt good, now for an explanation. Life is a Carnival by The Band. (Garth Hudson rocks my world: http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/gl/gl_7.gif )

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 12:25:04 AM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Robby: Your CR Admin Post came in while I was typing my last one. Just want to let you know I totally agree with every word in it and fully support and understand your viewpoint. I am also going to say no more about the matter of Pistoff and Crzy unless I'm prompted and I feel the need. You have my word. <salutes> Hope we can all talk about more comfortable subjects next time we're in here. :)
Doug
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 12:04:35 AM
IP: pool-209-138-203-180-dlls.grid.net

Just wanted to say a couple more things tonight, one that's come up since my last post and another I forgot to mention. First off, I'd like for everyone who intends to get involved in the Pistoff-Crzy discussion to read the following paragraph that Greg Bishanky sent me tonight (hope you don't mind me posting this in here, Greg, I feel I should, will explain why in a minute, please don't get mad):

<I also read your post to Pistoff. You mentioned that you did not understand Crzy's behavior. While a lot of it was innappropriate (and maybe some of mine too), the thing that set her off was Pistoff's use of Becca in his post to Christine. Crzy loves Becca like a niece and Christine like a sister. She thought that was completely innappropriate. And I agree with her there to. Crzy does have a temper, though most of the time she's great. I'm not saying that she was 100% right for what she did, but I can understand where she is coming from.>

I think I understood some of Crzy's words a lot better after reading this. I still don't think they were appropriate or totally excusable, but I can say now that I'm not going to demand an apology of her for them, or get angry about them anymore. I posted this bit just so we all can be aware of the full facts of the situation that we'll be discussing with Crzy and Pistoff, maybe understand their motivations more and thus be more able to keep ourselves from plunging the room into another flame war over the whole thing. <sighs> I personally don't know what I think about it all, I'm really just glad it's over and don't want to get involved in it anymore. I hope nobody will drag me, or anyone else who doesn't want to be involved, into things, I am going to try and help keep things civil and fully understood where I can but that'll be it. I do agree with SJ's post (no problem with his mention of me in it) and still support most of the statements I made earlier. I'm still very disappointed about Pistoff leaving too, and I want my friend to come back. I am posting the above bit, though, cause I think we all can benefit from it and use it to remind ourselves that we must understand each other in this room and treat each other like people with the Golden Rule in mind before anything else (that's my opinion anyway). That's all I'm gonna say on this for now, possibly all I'll say for the forseeable future. Please no one get mad at me over posting this bit, okay, or at Greg. I think we would all benefit most if this whole flame war subject was dropped ASAP. <heavy sigh> Guess we'll just have you to miss you, Pistoff. A lot. <shakes head, is silent for long moment>

<tries to brighten up> Other thing I wanted to say now that I forgot about earlier is this- I'm looking for someone who'd be interested in helping to illustrate my fanfic. You know, draw pictures to be put among the text like in the TGS stories. MadameDestine recently told me how to do this with a GFW document (create a .html file with a "display X picture" command in it that links to a picture stored on a website somewhere), and I've been thinking I want to do it with some of my work. If you're an artist who'd be interested in helping me with this, please send me an e-mail. I'm not fully sure yet what the position of my official fan artist will entail, feedback for your pictures along with the feedback for my writing and getting to practice your craft will probably be the only benefits. :( I do know I'm looking for someone who'd be willing to do pics of scenes as well as characters, in color or black and white (former's preferred, but whatever works for the artist is okay), with access to a scanner or computer drawing program (so pictures can be sent easily over e-mail), and who likes my work enough to draw for it (it'll just be easier for both of us if this is so, it's easy to understand why). Quality of work is a plus, but a specific style's not that important. I'll take pics that look like they came out of the original Gargoyles show's animation department, dark pics that look like they belong in Batman- TAS, CGI style pics, anime pics, as long as they fit with the style of my stories and depict scenes or characters from them (the choices for some of which I may specify, but most of which I'll leave up to the artist) I don't care. Just no obvious parodies or distorted unclear modernist stuff, okay? The work will be meant to illustrate and help the reader, it can have its own message if desired but that shouldn't be as important (sorry I'm having to say this, but I dealt with it with a local artist recently, and just want to make sure the experience isn't repeated <sigh>). So if you're an artist who's interested, e-mail me, give me your name, contact info, a few samples of your work or links to them, and we'll see if we can work something out. :) I look forward to working with whose-ever offer I end up accepting, thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

Later,
Doug Elder - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, March 29, 2000 12:01:40 AM
IP: pool-209-138-203-180-dlls.grid.net

*Sighs* Ya know, this is why I made Kaioto official deputy, because quite frankly, I've gotten tired of being administrator and having to keep coming in on stuff like this. Its not fun anymore when this is what my job keeps ammounting to. Kaioto's already addressed all the applicable points here, but apparently I need to make things a bit more clear. I don't enjoy having to do this instead of a fun post.

The fact is, at this point I honestly do not care if it was CrzyDemona or Pistoff who started this particular round of the flame war. Their history goes back far enough its impossible to figure out who actually started their flame war months and months ago. So I'll be honest. I did not bother to back track because it does not matter. The attacker should not have attacked, and the defendant should have just told me and I would have put an end to it right then and there. Both sides argued, both sides threw out words that should not be used in this CR, and for both, it was not the first time they had caused problems. SO I gave a blanket warning to BOTH of them, and also made it a final warning since they had both been warned multiple times in the past.

I am not playing favorites and warnings are still intact for both parties. This isn't the blame game, or Goodguys/Badguys judgement in court, this is about the unnaceptable behavior of both parties. If anyone thinks I was picking on Pistoff because I wrote his name before Crazy Demona's, well I'm sorry you feel that way, but either way both parties had to be addressed, and both parties were given the same message. The purpose of warnings isn't to brand people as "right" or "wrong" but to act as a restraining order to keep the CR rules intact.

Now I really hope this matter can be put to rest now because I'm not going to have much free time the rest of this week and I have a lot of other things I want to talk about when I get the chance, and I'd rather not need to do another CR Admin post. I'd be much happier if the CR was a peaceful place where everyone could come and enjoy it.
Robby
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 11:41:42 PM
IP: spider-wi033.proxy.aol.com

I'd like to apologize to the room for being partly responsible in a roundabout way for recent events; I'm sorry it's come to such a heated point, and regret seeing anyone feel compelled to leave the fandom for personality conflict reasons.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 11:40:35 PM
IP: 10-077.009.popsite.net

Looping back around to Dark Pine Green

Spacebabie> <<When did we get from Phenomes to pheranomes?>>: As I linguistics minor, I feel I can safely assert that it is phoneme (as in telephone, phonograph, etc.). Pheremones came from a misreading of the other
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Gunjack> <<nothing beats the subway fight... >>: "You're empty." "So are you." Note to self, to get an agent *really* mad, break his sunglasses.

Katara> Spoiler: **SPOILER** Yep. Early on I asked "Are they killing him or resetting him?" (i.e. he would be sane again in acouple episodes after surgery), leaning heavily towards a reset. **/S**

Warpmind> <<You may not be little, but then you haven't cracked AOL user accounts either, have you? ;)>>: I was mostly talking only about the "little smelly geek" part. But the answer to your question is not yet. Anyway, I should do AOL itself. I could probably make it useful, shouldn't be too hard. Hey, has anyone here microwaved an AOL CD? Good Fun.

Green Baron> quote: That was by Alice--'Erbert's father in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I shall assume you are not among the initiated as you do not have it memorized.
<<Loyola has a contract with Coke, but we also ahve a Pepsi affiliate in our dining area>>: Right, but do they have an overt advertisement over the PA at every sports game? And does your mascot appear prominantly next to a bottle of coke on the vending machines?
<<I'm gald you call St. Paul St. Paul instead of just Paul>>: "Two early Christians meet in Heaven. One recognizes the other and says 'Saul of Tarsus? What are you doing here?' To which the other responds 'Tarsus, shmarsus. I'm Paul now!'" (approximated from Tom Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead") (On a side note, one of my roomie's youth group named their jazz group Tarsus.)

Niamhgold> <<this is ironic because I can't tell you _how_ many times I've gone outside in the -20 degree wind chill without gloves!>>: It's all about conductivity.

Toku Kai> <<I like to function in the room as a normal participant, and try to live up to the expectation of "CR Sage" that a lot of the Clan members trusted me with last year … but Robby asked me to mind the store when he's busy, I'm posting this in an official capacity, as the Deputy CR Administrator>>: I would like to think that being an Administrator in any capacity would require a certain degree of sagacity.

Doug> <<Sorry if I made you think it wasn't with my take-the-joke reply>>: No need to apologize.
<<guys don't take the time to realize that. Idiots>>: Isn't that the definition of the species (but I still am proud you my Y)

T minus ~29 min for mp3.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brusnwick, NJ
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 11:31:15 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

Pistoff: You know, most circumstances like this, I'd try and convince the individual to stay in the comment room. I hate to lose friends. But in this case, I'm not gonna say that. Cause frankly, I think you're right on this one. All I can say is that I'm very sorry to see you go, and I'd like to keep in contact with you. Unfortunately, things being what they are in the CR, you feel that the environment is no longer friendly towards you. Like I said--normally I'd say to fight. To stay. But in this case, it's not worth fighting against the individuals who've caused you problems (i.e. attacked you). They're just not important enough to waste any more time and energy dealing with their supreme pettiness. It's futile, because unfortunately, as you've observed (and I've observed as well), it won't matter, cause ultimately the guilty parties will no doubt always walk away in the clear. You'll never win with them, and it's not worth the frustration. So I'm sorry to see you go, buddy. Keep in touch. My email's there if you want to drop me a line.

As for the whole "Pistoff's not innocent in this whole mess!"....yes, that's true. Frankly, I can sympathize with him, because if what happened to him happened to me, I'd have been banned outright, such would have been MY verbal tirade. And think less of me if you will, but I still feel he was provoked. He got lowblowed, and then he retaliated, and a few more cheap shots were given. And everyone came down on him, instead of the individual who started the whole goddamned thing. Does NO ONE care? I really don't think they do. Is this, or is this not EXACTLY what many of you were talking about in the main CR? About the attitude of hostility present in the CRs? True, Pistoff has a very reactionary personality, and you can maybe fault him for that. But way I see it, this last incident started not with HIM attacking another, but another showing hostility towards him initially. And when his temperature rose, he said something that others didn't like (but frankly, if I was in his place, I would have said something at least twice as inflammatory). Maybe he handled his reaction poorly, but it seemed to me as if more people were upset about his reaction than the kick in the groin he got initially that started it all. I think a big part of his frustration about the situation was that no one said a damn thing against the person who offended him. Did Robby ever send an email or said anything to the other guilty party besides the blanket statement of "drop the subject" and "take care of this through email"? Maybe if she had been the one to tell Fred to go suck a few male reproductive organs, things would be different. Or maybe her part in the whole deal would be ignored. Again. I don't think anyone said a damn thing to her when she posted his private email....that alone, in my book, should have earned her a damn strong reprimand from the Administrator. Maybe I'm a bit hallucinatory here, but I think that'd be a rather cruel violation of privacy.

Sorry to bring your name into this little rant, Mr. Elder, but at least Doug recognizes that what she did last week was little more than a cheap lowblow. And that Pistoff *was* acting civilly, until her remarks were made.

So Pistoff, I'm sorry, buddy. Even if no one else cares, I'm sympathetic. And I'm sad to see you go, I really am. But better for you to leave than to have to face constant crap from the people in this room. I don't give a good goddamn really if everyone thinks this is just your ego that's wounded. Regardless of the popularity of my opinion, I'm with you on this. You have to wonder though, buddy--if she didn't know you'd have this exact reaction. I wouldn't put it past her.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 10:35:24 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Color Test> Dark Peach.

Katara> Work rant> What...? O_o I'm starting to wonder if managers really are as bad as Dilbert seems to imply...

Fire Storm> <> They're real; *she's* fake. :P

Niamhgold> <<For some insane reason, I got *frostbite* today because, apparently, the umbrella I was holding had been sitting out in my car and the metal got too cold. My finger turned grayish-blackish-purple, I couldn't feel it, and I had to go to the doctor.>> ACK! O_o' Hope it's not too serious.
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 10:26:56 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Scientology and other religions: (read off a button) It's not God I have a problem with, it's his fan club I can't stand.

colour: bright purple
Cyborg - [scur@ssd.dawsoncollege.qc.ca]
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 09:57:56 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net

Green Baron> Technicaly the only religious watchdog group I'm a part of id the Bob Larson FanClub, and not really that active either... Besides, the Catholic Church has enough self monitoring to make it unnecessary in most cases. It's just independent Protestant whackos like Larson that are the real problem.

Battlefield Earth/Scientology> I'm glad to see the support for the boycott idea, the less money that gets into their greedy claws the better. Please spread the word.
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 07:28:35 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-06.ultravision.net

**RP HERE- APOLOGIES FOR LENGTH AND VIOLENCE**

In Los Angeles, the Dirty Laundry Gang's weapons all click dry at about the same time and the only two Nielsen employees who haven't been fled or killed (Clueless Guy and Vapid Girl) throw up their hands in surrender. They are promptly both incinerated by a maniacally laughing Storm Eagle, who quips, "Sorry people, we leave no one alive!" "We leave nothing standing either," declares Asil. "Spread out, everyone, and set the explosives. This building is going to come down." "Unless of course we stop you from demolishing it," Jammer's voice points out from behind her. Asil frowns and turns, then glares daggers as she sees the Ravens all lined up with weapons and spells ready. "Oh great," Storm Eagle groans. "It's them." "Who are they?" asks Static Cling. "Our worst enemies." "Really?" Bleach Man frowns. "A lot of them look like pretty girls." "Yeah," VanDerBeek seconds. "Hey Asil, two of them even look a lot like you." Asil grimaces, her eyes flaring as she draws her BFG. "Hello sister," Kit says, then fires a smoke rocket into the group. The Dirty Laundry Gang realizes what's happening as the Ravens start firing within seconds of the explosion. Unfortunately, they have not yet had a chance to reload their weapons and are unable to do much but run and duck behind desks. Static Cling tries to fight back with bolts of electricity while spewing obscenities but is cut down by a psychic bolt from Mewthree and also hit with several blind shots from various others of the good guys. Storm Eagle somehow manages to see him fall through the smoke and screams, "No! I liked that guy!" She immediately runs out of the smoke, hands blazing with spell energy and ready to take revenge. Magic missiles from both Lathrop and Elena slam into her as she comes and as she is knocked down Erin runs up with scimitar out and slices the evil battle magess dead. "The rest of them are still around!" she declares as the smoke clears to reveal Asil and the rest of her troops are now in hiding. The air erupts with gunfire just then and Erin is caught by a couple of shots to the chest. "No!" Gubio screams, throwing an incendiary grenade at the spot from where the gunfire came as his grilfriend goes down. The explosive bursts and engulfs Lint Man, whose body is unfortunately so flammable he dies within seconds. Lacking vocal cords, he expires without a sound. Meanwhile the rest of the Ravens cover Gubio as he drags Erin back and finds her still breathing. "Are you alright?" the hacker asks. She nods and taps her unbleeding wounds. "You'd go into a situation like this without Kevlar?" "Of course not," Gubio grins. "I'm an idiot." "Don't worry," Erin smiles back. "I love you still." She smiles and then pulls his face towards hers while around them the other Ravens do what they can to fight the now-firing back Dirty Laundry Gang. Everyone has hastily sought and found some form of cover and shots are being exchanged with little effect over the tops of it. Staina cries a mad oath and sprays Griffex's fire- and ice-winged gargoyle friends with acid as they try to sneak around some desks, only to be vaporized as returning blasts from both hit her. "We just killed a little girl," one of the two gargoyles frowns. "Yes," the other nods. "Tragedy really." "But she was firing at us, and she hit." "Yes, and the wounds hurt." They both look at their wounds and shrug. "Oh well, we did what we had to." Both sigh and duck back behind cover as a BFG burst erupts over their heads. Scrubber and Socko come charging forward in its wake, the latter yelling at the Ravens to come out and challenge him. The Ravens, being smart, do not comply and instead cut both DLG members down with directed fire. "A giant brush and a guy with a smelly sock on his head," Boris sighs as they fall. "The guys we fight are getting weirder, Doug." Doug nods. "Too bad they still die as easily. Let's worry about the rest." He reloads his shotgun and looks for another target along with the rest of the group as the screen temporarily goes blank.

**END RP 1ST HALF**

Hi everyone. Having a good week so far? I'm having a mediocre one myself. Good things include another A grade on a paper in my German History class (:), living with Kit, having all my chores done for the week already, and making some good progress on Night of the Symbiotes. Bad things include the CR crashing yesterday <takes bottle of vodka out of his pocket, hands it to DC, who smiles and thanks him>, not being able to get into it for hours <DC drinks from the bottle>, and really feeling angry about it <DC suddenly gasps, falls over, and dies of intensely painful poison>. Okay, now I feel a little better. :) Glad the CR's up again now, too. I am a little sorry though, that a certain person is leaving it. Guess I'll make some comments to him later in the post (and by e-mail too of course, to make sure he gets them). First though, I have a few other things to say.

Fanfic Progress: Like I said above, Night of the Symbiotes is coming along well. I'm currently up to the scene with the teaser you saw last week. Not sure how much lies ahead, or when I'll be finished, I'm barely started writing the story as things are now (and already up to 35 pages, :). Suffice to say, though, a lot of things are going to happen in this one, many of which will still be lying around to be dealt with in future stories after Night of the Symbiotes is over. Most will deal with developments for the characters, but some will also deal with garg-human relations on a national/global scale. :) Practically every well-developed personality we've seen in my stories will also be involved in this story even though we won't see some of them (like Agony and Laura) until part 2. I'll get Part 1 out soon as I can, not sure when that will be yet. But of course I'll keep people updated while in the process of getting it out of my head. :)

Thanks, by the way, to Anthony Docimo (Rodlox, I think) and Jenna for the feedback on other stories I've written that they sent me recently. It was much appreciated. Hope to soon get the feedback from the other people who promised it (not gonna take time listing names, you people who haven't sent it yet will rememeber to, right? :).

Warpmind: Thanks for the little ego puncture last week, it was appreciated. <grin> Good luck with the RPG system you're working on. I hope it makes it big (and to be playing it too someday of course :).

Green Baron: <Feedback is pending> And I'm waiting. :) Just like I said above. $ BTW, good skit on Bob Jones University in the RP. Hope it continues with your characters torching that Orwell's 1984-esque Christian Reich hive of scum and villainy (after the appropriate harming of its staff and faculty of course). Just one small request- If you bring UT professor and pal of Bob Jones Marvin Olasky into things, Kit and I want to get rid of him, okay? <grins> Keep up the good work. $ And I really hope to be able to buy that 71 mpg car you mentioned someday too. Man, is it going to help me save on gas if the prices keep rising. :) I hate SUVs too, mostly since they've become a statement more than a decent vehicle (you know how dangerous their designs are, right? The makers of them only get away with it because people mostly drive them in cities and not in the off-road environs for which they were originally designed. <grumbles>). Don't know if they should be banned, but the production should be cut down at least. :)

Denis: Looking forward to your Protected Species feedback too, whenever you can get it in. :)

Gside: Oh, that harem comment was amusing, believe me. :) Sorry if I made you think it wasn't with my take-the-joke reply. :)

DumlaoX: As many people have said, no problem. Thanks for stopping by and letting us know you were aware of our feelings, glad you're getting over the pain of your father's death. I'm sure it will always be there, but if it can be pushed aside a little, that's a good thing IMO. :) Glad you're not fully gone from the fandom, and hope you someday come back again. Till that time, stay cool, friend. :) $ Oh, and don't worry about your RP characters. Kit and I are planning to get them out of Limbo and have them take revenge on Gothmenes for what he's done to them eventually. :) $

SOROW: You don't receive many compliments? Damn, I'm surprised. You being such a sweet and nice person and all? <shrugs> Guess some guys don't take the time to realize that. Idiots. :) You're welcome on the thanks. <returns hug>

SJ: Kit and I are planning to see Romeo Must Die this weekend since I think nothing else of interest will be playing. <sighs, mutters something about bad movies> Hope it will be as good as you say, thanks for the reviews and encouragement to check it out. I agree with you about Billy Crystal being unfunny at the Oscars (he still made a good host, though). I too was happy to see the Matrix beat Star Wars all the times it did, and slightly saddened when that Tarzan song beat Blame Canada. <sighs> Oh well, at least the latter got nominated. Probably the best it could expect with the Academy's standards. At least it will always get the highest marks in the minds of its fans (that of course includes me). And I also agree with you about Erin GoBraLess (wish Julia Roberts was still making good movies, but her Pretty Woman days are long past) and Catherine Zeta-Jones.

Silverstar: You're welcome on the thanks for pointing you towards my fanfics last week. Sorry I didn't say so before. Hope you enjoy the stories whenever you get to reading them, I look forward to any feedback you send. :)

Mara: Sorry to hear about your evil hacker problems. Good luck getting them all straightened out. Like Kit said, if you need help taking revenge, we'll be there. <grin> You probably won't ever get the chance <sighs>, but still we're ready to assist. :)

Kyryn: Thanks for the Brooklyn-armor clarification last week. I guess I should have read the season 2 finale before starting season 3, refreshed my memory some. <sighs> Oh well. :) I agree with your comments on grieving about being apart from someone you love too (looking forward to seeing how Brooklyn continues to deal with it). And to Todd, glad you enjoyed my remarks on the TD episode last week.

GXB: You're setting up a Get Me and Kit to the Gathering Foundation? Thanks, if it goes through may be the only way we'll ever be able to go. Don't know if it will, but I wish you good luck with the enterprise. I will say one thing to anyone who plans to contribute- Thanks, and um, please don't plan to contribute to just me going (like Green Baron seems to think might happen). I've sworn to myself and Kit I'm never going to another Gathering without her along and I intend to keep that promise. So if we attend one, it will be together, not apart. Just wanted to be sure and clarify that. :)

Bengali: I don't usually like stories with graphic violence, sex, and swearing either. I can sometimes tolerate them though if they have really good plots, themes, and characters along with that (hence my enjoyment of Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon's Preacher). Glad you may be giving my story a chance after all, hope you do. I assure you I was telling the truth when I said in my posts last week that the rating was mainly for the mature themes.

Garg Discrimination: I largely agree with Pistoff about this, it's very possible but probably doesn't happen much due to the low amount of gargs in the world. The general good nature gargs exhibit towards one another probably plays a role as well. I wouldn't be surprised, though, that even with these things there are still a few biased or prejudiced gargs in the world. I know there are in my fics, and that doesn't just mean Demona. :( Gargs are imperfect after all, like us. <sighs>

Robby: <mutters> Yeah, I hate censorship too. Not surprised they've started doing it with classic Looney Tunes. Boy am I glad I got all the eps on tape in unadulterated form before the content jerks started in on them. :) Hope you were also that lucky.

Stephen: Congrats on the moving and the new place. We'll miss you while you're gone.

Shadowrider: Thanks for your further comments. Glad you're waiting eagerly for my next work, I promise to have it out soon. Looking forward to any more feedback you choose to give on my previous stories. :)

Gargoyle Eggs: Nothing really to say about this, but I do want to thank Patrick for the funny Princess Katherine creativity demon. LOL!

Scientologists: I don't like them either, totally agree with every comment Skippy made about the guys. I too hate their regulation system and their comments about the mental health system (I have to, after all, I've got a girlfriend going into it one day, but that's not the only reason :). Scientologists aren't brainwashed IMO, but they do come pretty damn close to practicing it. :( I have read Battlefield Earth the book however and found it a pretty enjoyable epic. Don't know if it would translate well to a movie format since it lacked several things that belong in a good movie IMO (such as well-developed female characters, one overall plot that doesn't keep going off into subplots that also need explaining and make the story WAY too long, and a few other things) but it did have a nice overall storyline and a pretty cool bad guy. L. Ron Hubbard is also a good writer IMO, though he has written much better stuff than Battlefield Earth (the Mission Earth sci-fi satire series is a personal fave of mine). But he was also IMO really bad at philosophy. Scientologists will disagree, but I'm not going to go into debate about it. My opinions are my own, and I'm keeping them, no matter what. :) As for the movie Battlefield Earth, I may or may not see it, haven't decided yet (and I've gpt quite a while). I know I don't want to support Scientology by seeing it, though, so if I do, I'll buy a ticket to some other film showing at the same theater and then hang around after it's over to see Battlefield Earth as well without paying. That way Scientologists will get nothing from me, which should pay them back for cutting off the power to my favorite arcade (which their local office shares a building with on campus) right in the middle of games I was playing all the times they have. <maniacal grin>

$ Matthew: You want to join the RP, huh? Well, that's fine, no problem. :) The current main plot going on in it is that me, Kitainia, Wilek, Green Baron, Mecord, Kaioto, SJ, and some other people (primarys) are trying to save the world from Thailog's plans to conquer it and also battling numerous other villains (Kharsus the evil wizard, Kit's evil clone Asil, a group of demons and their human allies, etc.) along the way. You're welcome to join this plot if you want or write your own story seperate from or alongside it. There are a few rules we have for the game that you should remember though:
1. No posts that only have RP in them and/or only talk about RP stuff like the one you made are counted as part of the RP. This CR is not just about the RP after all, and thus many of us don't like it when people don't remember that. So if you're going to be involved please talk about other topics in your posts as well as RP stuff (they're not hard to find in here if you look :).
2. Only one RP post per person per day (to keep the story from getting too big).
3. Try to have as much non-RP discussion in your posts as RP story. This is just a courtesy, but it applies.
4. No raunchy sex, excessive profanity, or unnecessary violence in the RP. You're also asked to please avoid killing or seriously harming other people's characters unless you ask and they okay it first.
We'll be glad to see you in the RP whenever you want to join, hope you'll abide by the above standards when it happens. If you need more info please let me know by e-mail, I was the one who started the RP and will probably be best able to answer your questions. $

Terminator: Looking forward to any more movies they make, with or without Arnold. I just hope they take the trouble to settle all the paradoxes T2 left dangling without creating more. :(

Pistoff: <reads leaving post again for memory refresh> I don't know what to say to you, man. I am going to miss you, I've always counted you as a friend despite all your flaws, and to not have you hanging out in here ever again just because of one crazy tiff, well, that saddens me. :( At the same time, though, I too did not like your comments to Crzy last week and think Robby and Kaioto have been completely in the right to get mad at you about them. The CR just isn't the kind of place for language like that. Of course, I liked Crzy's comments which started the whole mess even less, and I also really hated how she kept insisting on continuing things by making more comments. I also didn't like how more people were getting drawn into things, taking sides, etc. I had just resolved to stay out of it all, hope it would blow over without bad consequences, and thus I was really glad when Robby stepped in and ended things. Of course, as you know, that wasn't the end. The verbal war had lousy consequences that have happened now- ie you leaving. Some of us will probably say good riddance, but not me. I always liked having you in here. You've always been a good friend to me, and a decent person to all of us who deserve it. Yeah, your opinions haven't always been agreeable to me and the things you said to Crzy definitely weren't decent IMO, but I could forgive those things. I still liked having you in here a lot. As for Crzy, well, yeah, I agree with you that she should not have said the things to you she did. The way she's treated you is just unforgivable, it's by all accounts not conduct befitting the beautiful, nice, and interesting lady I thought she was before she did those things. I am really mad at her about it, and at both of you for getting upset and starting a flame war over things. Both of you should've, ought've known better, remembered that we don't like such things in here and they're not really worth the effort anyway. We all know the reasons why. Now things in the latest one are over and done with, and everyone's miffed to some degree, and you're leaving. I don't know who's to blame for you leaving, I'm not going to judge that. Robby's my friend, I think he was in the right for what he did. Crzy's kinda a friend to me too, as much as two Gargoyles fans who don't really know each other but have spoken to one another and met a few times can be, and though I really didn't like her comments to you last week and can't see the reasons behind them I have to remember that too. :( At the same time, I feel your responses could have been a lot more civil, I think this leaving of yours is entirely your decision, but I don't want to assign blame to you because I know what kind of person you are, I know your reasons for making the comments you have, I don't want to get mad at you. <sighs> Damn, now you're probably confused as me. The point is- You're my friend, and even with that awful flame war last week where I didn't totally like your conduct, I want to keep you as such. I also don't want you to leave here, I understand your reasons but I don't think you need to do something this drastic. You are definitely right about Crzy starting the things that led up to all this stuff (you gave a civil opinion, then she jumped in and poured on the flames without a care for what anyone would think), and I agree with you that she should apologize to you and us all about it. Doubt she'll ever do it, considering the opinions she displayed of the whole thing <crosses name out of friendship book>, but one can still hope. :) So, friend Pistoff, that's all I'm gonna say for now. Wish you hadn't overreacted to her and said the things you did, though I understand them. Wish you wouldn't leave us, though I understand why. Glad you're still remaining part of the fandom. Good luck, man, and hope to talk to you again soon. I guess there's nothing else left to say. :(

Kaioto: Didn't know you were Deputy Admin, thanks for telling us and congrats on the job. :) I agree with you about Pistoff's behavior not being above the rules, I too hope he will follow them if he ever returns to us. The same applies to Crzy too of course. <sighs> Though I can understand their behavior I too do not tolerate it. And I will not tolerate it ever. Glad you won't either in your duties as CR Admin, as that's only right. <sighs again> That's all I'm going to say about that.

And that's all I'm going to say to the CR for now. Hope I haven't offended anybody with these remarks, or gotten anyone too emotionally worked up somehow. I just put my down my feelings as I had them, and did my best to stay civil while doing it. A difficult act, hope it went off okay. See you all later, bye for now.

**RESUME RP**

The Ravens continue searching for targets and find one- Nylon Man, holding his hands up and waving a white handkerchief. "Don't kill me!" he pleads. "Please don't kill me! I'm just the gofer! I'm too young to go, I'm not even armed here! Please!" "Get outa here then, you little scamp!" Jammer snaps, pointing at the hole in the wall where they all ran in. Nylon Man nods and complies, then flees. Tricia immediately spins and glares at Jammer along with just about everyone else. "That was totally uncalled for, Jim!" Tricia growls. "I can't believe you just said it!" "I can't either," Doug frowns. "I'm sorry," Jammer says to shut the rest of them up quickly as they continue glaring. "Come on, let's forget this for now and do something about the rest of them, huh?" "Guess we have to," Kit sighs, "but you and I are going to have words later." She snarls and looks around for Asil, frowning as she sees nothing. "Maybe she and the other three who were with her slipped out down the hall," Keith conjectures as everyone else looks around and doesn't find anything either. "Should we check it out?" "Of course we should," Stephanie says, standing up and firing a few rounds across the room just in case. The only response to them is a loud moan. "Let's check that out first," Shap suggests. The Ravens all nod and run over to find a heavily wounded Bleach Man cowering behind an overturned desk. "They left me to die!" he wails. "The boss-lady, her boytoy, and Al just ran off and left me to die! I don't believe it! You guys gonna help me? Please! I won't hurt you!" Doug frowns and looks at Kit, wondering if they should. Most of the other Ravens and all of Solomon Brand's associates are already moving past him, heading into the Nielsen Building hallway to make sure Asil doesn't get away. Orion nods when Doug looks at him, though, and walks to Bleach Man's side. "You will be alright," he says, leaning down and applying a healing touch to the DLG member's forehead. "Thanks," Bleach Man gasps, then passes out. "Good work," Kit tells Orion, who nods. "Just doing my duty." Doug smiles at the remark, then frowns as he hears sirens approaching. "We better move and find Asil quick, guys," he says. "Sounds like the cops are coming." "Gee, how'd you guess?" Shauna replies, looking at the unconscious Bleach Man. "Let's leave this guy and the bodies here for them to deal with. Asil's trail is going cold." "No, it isn't," Erin declares, pointing at a trail of white powder on the ground. "all we have to do is follow this. I don't know what it is, but I think they left it." "It's gunpowder," Tom gasps. "They're still planning to blow up the building, probably kill more people too." "Then we better stop them before they light the fuse," Kit fumes. "Come on!" The Ravens all nod and follow as she runs down the hall, reloading their weapons and looking grim as they go. Meanwhile, several police cars pull up outside the Nielsen building and their officers jump out, stopping Nylon Man and some other people who were fleeing the building with pointed guns and shouts. Solomon Brand, who remained outside in his limo while the Ravens went in, sees the action and frowns, then starts considering what he should do about it if anything as the screen goes blank.

**TO BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME, FOR NOW END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 07:09:52 PM
IP: pool-209-138-161-87.dlls.grid.net

Hello all!
Just came in to sy a few things : )

Green Baron> Well, don't say I didn't warn ya! ; )
Seriously though, you might hate it or ya might like it, but from what I've heard, your odds are ya might hate military life.

Sevarius Jr.> I got bored with the show after the first 5 minutes, so I didn't watch the whole thing. As for being an Incubus fan, I *love* the group! I also like Papa Roach. They happen to be a local band. Have you heard of them? I listen to their songs 'Last Resort' and 'Dead Cell' a lot. (considering it's their demo tape that I have, cause they only sell the CD's at their concerts ) also, I have seen clips from the episode of BB for anti- Japanese propaganda. They put that on the air and then they get all defensive and censored when something like blood appears on a cartoon show. (example: Gargoyles on the Disney Channel)

Well, got stuff to do.
*bye*
silverstar
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 06:45:14 PM
IP: l2p34.dav.mother.com

It doesn't matter how wronged you think you are, or how much you want to defend yourself. You aren't allowed to flame in this room. If Fred / Pistoff wants to ignore this rule once AGAIN to get in a few parting shots, that is fine. Whatever. I'm tired of his antics. The rules are the rules, whether you are the victim or the aggressor. It is the job of the moderator to correct inappropriate behavior in this comment room by means of enforcing the rules.

You do not avenge wrongs in this room by flaming people. Rule. End of story.

There is no case of "Self-defense" in the CR, where we can justify violation of the rules in order to protect one's self from an attacker. No one's life or livelihood is in such danger that we can not wait until proper authorities handle the situation by the rules of order which apply to everyone.

Let's go over the rule in simplicity:

If someone flames or offends you, you don't flame them.

The proper response by the rules is basically that if you feel you have to respond, you can say you feel wronged. Then, instead of continuing your post with retaliatory behavior, you notify the CR Admin who's job it is to fix this sort of thing.

If a person in this room can not abide by the rules of the CR, then they should leave.

Certainly, one should not Continue to perform the same behavior that got one chastised in the first place, even on the way out.

This is not a locker room or a wrestling ring or any other place of anarchic sorts of rumpus, intellectual or physical. There are rules regulating behavior here, and they apply to everyone along with enforcement, for the good of the room itself. If these very loose rules cramp your style, or your ego just can't bear chastisement without some manner of vengeance, than you'd be better off not frequenting this place. Flaming behavior is NOT tolerated for either party in a conflict, regardless of who is waging the "Just War."

If you are of such a temperament that you can not hold your tongue no matter what the consequences and the rules, seek professional help.

One would also note on Fred/ Pistoff's own case that this NOT an isolated incident, and that his track record in this CR has been one of numerous rules violations and reproaches and unrepentant re-commission of the same offenses. Though he's been a friend to many of us, his behavior is still unacceptable, and his friendship to does not put him above the rules for maintaining this CR.

The rules are to make this place the best it can be for Everyone, not just one or two of us.

I normally wouldn't do this. I like to function in the room as a normal participant, and try to live up to the expectation of "CR Sage" that a lot of the Clan members trusted me with last year … but Robby asked me to mind the store when he's busy, I'm posting this in an official capacity, as the Deputy CR Administrator.

Toku Kaioto - CR Deputy Admin - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 05:20:40 PM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Ha! Not gonna do the color labels today!

Oscars: I watched it, interestingly, for the "filler" awards which are supposed to keep you waiting for the big contests. Well, the big contests were not of my concern--I pegged Jolie, knew it would be Spacey and American Beauty for best picture. But I wanted to see how Matrix would fare next to the Lucas power--and I was quite satisfied! Personally, despite Reeve's cardboard acting, I thought Matrix was much better than Star Wars (please, no flames, just a personal opinion! :)). So, I went to bed at ten quite happy.

Shadowrider: You're right, that is a good Italian joke. I'm having one of those days. For some insane reason, I got *frostbite* today because, apparently, the umbrella I was holding had been sitting out in my car and the metal got too cold. My finger turned grayish-blackish-purple, I couldn't feel it, and I had to go to the doctor. Now, this is ironic because I can't tell you _how_ many times I've gone outside in the -20 degree wind chill without gloves!

Green Baron: Well, I have two friends getting married...one's eighteen, and one's nineteen. I'm eighteen, and I don't even *want* to think about the whole marriage thing at least until I've hit 23-24! ;)

Uh...don't know what else to say!

Adios! :) :) :) :)
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 04:10:47 PM
IP: ncia73n.ncia.net

Well it's nice to see things working again. I don't always take the time to write, but I like to lurk anyway.

Kyryn- It's actually a good challange to create notes and especially an encyclopedia on an imaginary species. I have two sketchbooks full of maps, scematics of weapons&viecles, different species and how they differ over their own worlds. From accents to how they dress. I'm sure you already know this when documenting even a small portion of a society you can emass stacks of information. I jsut hope it's all worth it and I haven't been wasting the last ten years of my life. But in the breakdown it has been fun. It gives you a small sense of creative power that is not much different than creating a life, even if it's all in your head. Well good luck to you.

That's about all I can think of at the moment.
Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
hell, tx
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 03:02:01 PM
IP: spider-tr081.proxy.aol.com

This will be the last time I post in here, because I'm fed up with it. I've realized that this is not a place to discuss opinions and ideas in a civilized manner. All I did was offer an opinion and try to get people to think about the matter, and then somebody not even involved in the discussion comes out of nowhere and insults my intelligence, questions my sexuality, and tries to assassinate my character. And she got away with it.

Robby, by threatening to ban me as well as her, you allowed her to get away with it. "First AND second warning"?! For what? Defending myself against an unprovoked attack? Well, you're goddamn right I fought back! And now you want to ban me if I try to defend myself? Well, go ahead and ban me, then. Go on. Do it. Not that it matters, since I'm leaving anyway. Not because of the person who attacked me, interestingly enough, but because of your threat of banning me. But while I'm here, I'll give you a quick run-down of what happened, since you apparently weren't paying attention.

I merely stated an opinion, in a rather civil manner, I must add. Crzy then jumped in and viciously insulted me--not bothering to discuss my ideas or debate them, but merely making a personal attack on me. We had our fight a few months ago, each of us got in our shots, and as far as I was concerned, it was over. I had not said anything to or about her in here since that incident. But apparently it wasn't enough for Crzy to humiliate me by posting my email in here--which, I have to add, is one of the most dispicable things I've ever seen one person do to another. No, that wasn't enough. She waited in the shadows like the coward she is, and when I made a couple of comments that she didn't happen to agree with, she hit me with a barrage of low-rent, back-alley cheap shots. Apparently she isn't capable of thinking up a civilized, _valid_ argument, so instead she attacked me rather than my ideas. That alone should've gotten her banned, and that alone should prove to everyone here what a vindictive, petulant child she is.

However, I could've lived with this. I've lived with stuff like this before, and moved on. But you, Robby, threatened to ban me when all I did was defend myself. That was the last straw. I will NOT allow you to railroad me, and I will not keep hanging around a comment room where I not only will be personally insulted if I voice an unpopular opinion, but also banned if I fight back. Robby, to ban me under these circumstances would be punishing the victim of the assault, and I have no respect for anyone who would even consider such a thing, and no desire to hang around here until it actually happens. So, I'm outta here. Permanently. Go ahead and ban me if you want. Knock yourself out. Because I won't bother trying to get back in just to see if it actually happened. I hope you're happy.

I'm not leaving the fandom. I'll keep in touch with my friends via email and chat, and maybe we'll meet in another CR somewhere. But I'm through with the TGS room. The stench in here is just too overwhelming.

Goodbye.
Pistoff - [pistoff@cybcon.com]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 02:03:23 PM
IP: cb2-104.transport.com

Kyryn> I'm planning on it. I'll probably even break down and get a room so I don't have to mess with D/FW traffic and parking. There's even a slim chance that I'll be running a game. A friend of mine half way voulenteered me to help out.

Escaflone is awesome. I have the whole series on tape. It has displaced Fushigi Yuugi as the "most perfectly stereotypical" anime in my personal view. [FY had a bigger lizard destroy Tokyo, but Escaflone has Mecha :) ]
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 01:58:40 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Click my name for soemthing amusing. It's called the USELESS law. Scary thing is, it isn't that farfrom possible.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 01:49:26 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

DC Death!!!
Reverend Attila clicks a few number son his phone.

Menawhile at DC's home where he is causing trouble, OJ Simpson walks through the door destroying it.
"That's my door! Who do you think you are?"
"I'm OJ and Attila wants me to take care of you."
DC sneds an arsenal of weapons to eliminate OJ and he disintergrates him for about 5 seconds and when OJ resumes his natural shape, DC looks worried. OJ then proceeds to ram his machete into each of DCs eyes, then he waits for him to come back to life and continues to kill DC for about 2 hours in various awful ways.**

I was gone on retreta all weekend, and I'll be damned if I come back and wait all day to read the CR.

I got an e-mail. I'm going to G2K :) I'm registered!!!

Gside> Who said that?

Warpmind> Myabe, but 110 is still rare, though more common.

Bishansky> Put me down for $10.00, but only if we can actually get enough to send him, otherwise I could use the ten to get Doug and Kit a souvenier (I have Doug's mailing address so I can get him that).

Christine> Yep, I saw her. No really naughty pictures yet, but soon hopefully :)

Now, I just need to get soem pictures of Lord Verdant's Desire for you. A pity I cna't draw

Silverstar> True, but at worst I have four years given up.

Zath> I hope tehyc an breed true. I would love a cheaper and more ecological way of getting great tasting rare meat, and I don't think rare PETA tastes too good :)

Gside> Loyola has a contract with Coke, but we also ahve a Pepsi affiliate in our dining area.

Jenna> Maybe so, but I guess I'm just used to naming kids after dead relatives. Let's hope the kids like them.

Rodlox> I'd like to see them meet Attila the Hun.

Bengali> <<but I dont like stories that focus on or have extremely graphic depictions of gratuitis violence, swearing and sex>> But those are the best kind :) j/k I cna't really write such, but it can be good to read it and Christine writes gratuitous sex so well :)

Revel> Hmmm...Rowan Atkinson as Arien :)

Niamhgold> How old is this firend of yours getting married?

Sevarius Jr> Somehow I'm not surprised this came out of New England.

I agree with you about Scientology. Basically, Hubbard creating this "religion" as a bar bet when another sci-fi writer dared him to make up a religion. As for me, I'll stick with my 2,000 year old faith with its beautiful artwork, awe-inspiring rituals, and strong spirituality.

I'm gald you call St. Paul St. Paul instead of just Paul. I always find it insulting to just call him Paul.

Academy Awards> Cider House got two awards too many. I honestly don't care too much about it, though I don't really care for John Irving. Academy Awards used to give good movies awards like Braveheart. American Beauty may be good, but it can't compare to Braveheart.

It is interesting that you bring up slavery and racism. In New Orleans during the early 1800s until the Civil War, we had the highest population of black slave owners.

Gargoyle Predjudices> It's probably more related to different beleifs than anything else among gargs.

Skippy> I haven't been to a theatre since Phantom Menace, but I'll make a special not to eevn rent that movie, just for you.

Kitanina> Well, that's a perfectly rational reason to join a Union. If it can help me get a job and a better pating one, I'd join one, too. I was wondeirng if that was the reaosn or if you were pro-Union then and later recanted that view.

Skippy> I hope you don't have any ties with a group that keeps a watch on my faith.

Rodlox> I belong to a religion that has a pretty good-sized beaurecracy, but from what I've ehard of Scientology, we're nothing like that, plus the Pope and most Bishops are not wealthy men (except those who have personal fortunes to beging with), unlike whoever heads Scientology.

Calliope> I don't have my liscence yet, either,a nd since egtting one means I must pay insurance, I'm waiting until I have to.

RP WARNING!!!
**The bus headed for Attila with the Green Baron's team is derailed by a Bob Jones University bus. A couple of tough looking thugs grab all the folks on the bus. Lindsey Graham is clasped in chains and his honorary doctorate from that shcool is revoked. Gene Taylor, Angelica, Brigitte, and Bernadette are also clasped in chains and gagged, along with Anthony Kennedy (all of them being Catholic). Phil Gramm is just shot and the good guys lose an allay, while Fred Thompson is told to just run. Menawhile, another figure appears. It's Senator Chuck "Darth" Schumer and he challenges Charleton Heston to a duel. Heston takes out hsi light sabre and Darth Schumer pulls out his with pro-gun control porpaganda covering it.**
END RP for now!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 01:40:35 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

::moment of silence for the Kingdome ... I'm in the minority but I didn't think it was such a bad old bubble of concrete ... but what do I know; I think Paul Allen's new Music Experience whateverthehellitis is the ugliest thing I've seen that wasn't yakked up by a cat what just ate curly ribbon::

Now I totally forgot what I was going to say ... I better go to bed before I hurt myself ; )

Oh!

Stephen > send me your new addy sometime, huh? Hope the move's not being too awful!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 01:28:47 PM
IP: 11-113.009.popsite.net

***Kyryn drops by***

Delphi> I laughed 'til it hurt over the redneck computer terms. I'm printing them off to show to a few friends.

David G.>Ah! Another Cowboy Bebop fan. I just got to see this a few weeks ago. Very cool! Of course I just got to see the first 5 eps of Vision of Escaflowne the other night. That rocks!!

Hey, will you be coming to A-kon? If you do, look me up. Ask for Beth in Guest Relations. If I'm not running my head off (like I usually am), I'm always glad to stop and talk with a fellow gargs fan.

Gargs biology> You know, one of the fun things about creating/designing a new species is coming up with what they look like and then working backwards to justify biologically and sociologically why they are the way they are. Okami and I are currently working on compiling an encylopedia of background material on his universe with an eye towards eventually publishing stories about it. He has come up with some very detailed biological, geological, and sociological/cultural material for his races and their history.

Later All!

***Kyryn takes off***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 01:22:43 PM
IP: 216.35.46.135

Color test= Lilac

I dont know how I really feel about this but VKLL((Thoe who sell Subtitaled Sailormoon S,SS and Stars tapes)) have announced that they will stop distrubiting S and SS, Why? Cause DiC is dubbing them and they will aire on Cartoon Netwrok in the fall, Well I still can order Stars and I can save my money.

Time fer class.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn]
Orlando, FL, USA
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 01:17:05 PM
IP: user-37kaous.dialup.mindspring.com

Color = Violet

SJ: <Woman wins over ass, hands down.>
Well, you do know that the womans "ass" is a major source of their distinctive scent.
Terminator SERIES? Oh boy... why do I think that is gonna suck?
AND how are they gonna deal with what really happened? The nukes were supposed to happen back in 1996 (I think)

Don't fret too much. The Borg that we knew and loved has been dead for a long time in the 'Trek universe. BAD thought: Is the new series going to be based on "Children of the Borg?"

I don't care what she says, I still say their fake.

Coyote: <"In East Lansing, it's a local call.">
I like it!

Wilek: <Has Pale Purple been used for the color test?>
It has now!
(I hope to have the updated color page up soon. Perhaps later this afternoon.)

SOROW: <Actually, I really haven't liked the TGS pics of those characters in the stories. I just wish there were more pics of them.>
To a point I have to agree with you.

Gunjack: <but nothing beats the subway fight...>
Hmm... yeah. I agree!
<must pick up Matrix HL when it comes out... Just imagine Multiplayer Matrix>
Serious? Cool!

Katara: <Work Rant>
Heck, at least your bosses wern't ENCOURAGING it! Mine did.

Shadowrider: 
Yeah... she is just biologically messed up!

Warpmind: <how will I manage to survive the two weeks that pass before I get the package? ;)>
A cup of coffee grounds per pot! OR Mega Super Ultra Jolt! 500% of the maximim recomended FDA limit of caffeine per mouthfull!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 11:31:49 AM
IP: t2-14.visitus.net

SJ> Put me down as another INCUBUS fan. I've been to a couple of their concerts, and even chilled with them a bit after one of them.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 08:07:16 AM
IP: 166.109.44.133

*Warpmind enters, proudly brandishing a diploma, which reads "Graduate with Honors from the Anton B. Sevarius School of Medical Ethics". His chibi family follows, giggling maniacally.*
Hi, gang. You guys had any trouble reaching the CR yesterday? I know I did... wasn't here this weekend, though, but *that* at least wasn't DC's fault...

Christine: So, if you cast COTSB with Gargoyles characters... would we hear the voice of Owen Burnett, or Puck as Rayke? >:) As for Greyquin, might I be so bold as to suggest Nigel Hawthorne? Quite versatile chap. (And hilarious in "Yes, Minister".) ;)

By the way: entertaining news: while caffeine tabs are a prescription drug in Norway, there doesn't seem to be any problems with buying them online from abroad... I have cheerfully paid about 35$ for a glass of 500 tabs... including shipping. Now, considering it has to cross the Atlantic, I'd say that was a fairly good deal. Now, question is, how will I manage to survive the two weeks that pass before I get the package? ;)

Mara: There, there, these juvenile delinquents won't be happy for long, I believe. *Hands Mara the Megaton Hammer of Massive Punishment, Mark IV (Mark V broke).*

Kitania: Uh, I *think* you misunderstood a little... I don't program. I *write*. The RPG I'm making is a strictly paper-and-pencil game. You know, like D&D, GURPS, any of the White Wolf games, etc. Of course, if I were to study some tutorials I found spread out on the web, I might be able to make something of it in QBasic... ;)

Welcome, Christy. Feel free to surrender your sanity to the gentleman with the weird-looking vacuum cleaner. :)

Gside: You may not be little, but then you haven't cracked AOL user accounts either, have you? ;)

Delphi: Those Redneck computer terms... eeep! :)

Gunjack Valentine: Of course your talk about guns and cyperware doesn't phase us. ;) By the way, if you're gonna send me a review on that beta I sent you, I kinda need it urgently...

Caliope: Hey, I frankly don't care if I don't have the license. I couldn't afford having a car anyway, and with no wheels, what's the point? ;)

Well, on the topic of fanfic progress, I kinda have three threads spinning in my head right now, and I'm working hard on getting them all typed down. (Gotta finish the Seven Seals sequence, punish the Weird Sisters for how they set up the three halflings to meet at Stonehenge, and I gotta get Brooklyn sent off to find himself a mate... plus, I have some personal near-tragedies in planning, if the characters agree. Being evil is such fun at times.)

**RP HERE**
Warpmind collides with Kaioto as they are turning the same corner at the same time.
"Good thing I found you, Seeker. As I said earlier, you are the only single human who can kill the Quencher. However, I do know a way to stop her without destroying her body. I need your help..."
Kaioto steps back.
"Oh, no, I'm not..."
Warpmind cocks the shotgun, pointing it slightly past Kaioto.
"Oh, yes, you will. She killed my fiancée two years ago, and stoll the engagement ring. This is about revenge. My revenge."
"You mean to kill her?"
"Don't be silly. That would cause the whole station to be blown to kingdome come. No, I have a far more sadistic plan for her. And, besides, I intend to free the soul of the only woman I have ever loved..."
Kaioto eyes Warpmind strangely.
"This doesn't fit in with what else you've said..."
"So I lied before. Sue me. Though you can't fight her, without the both of you perishing, I can. There's an old Norwegian rhyme about it... 'Mørket herskier i sitt hjem, der Lyset aldri rekker frem, men mellom Lys og Mørke står, en Vandrer som over begge rår.'"
"Which means...?"
"Which means I alone can stand down either of you two... and I'm on your side for now. So, we going?"
Kaioto swallows hard.
"Very well. What should I do?"
"Make sure she sees you, then run like crazy. And make sure she follows."
"Uh... I don't..."
"I'll get her. Don't worry."
Kaioto nods slowly, then looks ahead down the corridor where the Quencher is situated. Howls of rage and a cheerful laughter erupts from the distance.
**RP END**

And just for your information: you can taunt the Quencher all you like, but I get the kill, okay? Please? ;)

Later, amigos.
Warpmind de InzanE - [de_InzanE@xoommail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 07:48:41 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Ah! I almost forgot!

Warpmind> Now dont you worry bout not having your licence, some of the nicest, pretiest, smartes, lovelyest most wonderfull ppl dont have their licence yet!....have you caught on yet?....Yes!...ME! :P But I´m working on it, really. My only gole in to get it before my brother does...and I have until august! :P

Oh, and whats this thing about everyone doing the color test?
*shrugs* if anyone cares, I´m Dusk Blue! :P

OK! Bye again! And sorry for the more than usualy evil typo in the last post!...and in this one....and in the ones to come!!!! :P
Caliope
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 07:44:31 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

*crawls back in all tattered and exostid*
eh....eh....I´m back!!!!

Yes, Tis I, and after a terrible weekend and week of the evil Take home test from hell and yelling crying babies, I have once againg emerged victorious!!!! Haha!!! *poses Lina Invers style holding her fingers up in a "V"* VICTORY!!!!! ;P
Now, I must admit I wavered slightly, and my insanity rose abouve the not so normal level it usualy is...I even resorted to drawing little highlight marker baby chickens along the borders of my photocopies, so you can imagen!...but I´m back! And I´m O-K!....So now I gotta go! :P

I´ll see ya guys!!! *Much HUGZ*
Cali * ^_~ *
Caliope
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 07:27:44 AM
IP: 136.145.83.125

Shadowrider: you're wonderfully eloquent and good with the sciences...but here's a little help. {please don't take this the wrong way}. <<Usually, in evolution, nothing that has no practical function survives too long. So I think they're functional.>> well, that's usually true....so far...

Something that has Positive Survival Value - gets passed down.
Something that has Neutral Survival Value - gets passed down.
Something that has Negative Survival Value - gets wiped out.

{guess which one the human appendix is}. :)

Rodlox
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 04:20:20 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Fire Storm:> Hmmm, I see. Thank you for the explanation. Now, I have a doubt...what about Sata? I think it is quite difficult to determinate her cycles.
Oh, about pictures...hmmm...well, I'd like to see the one with Sata crying (end of Crossroads part 2)...and the one with Brook and Sata nudging brows (mid of Seeds of change).

Niamhgold:> You're right, in ten years you can make happen a lot of things...my problem, I guessed the hatching time was to be about a couple of years, so I had a problem of time mismatching.
<<And, what did the line you put at the end of your post mean?>> Well, it is an Italian joke. It is quite difficult to translate it, but the rough meaning is about "Some days, no matter how early you woke up, your misfortune had waken up an hour before you"

Selanit:> Interesting points about gargoyles eggs. Weòò, as far as I remember, someone once said that Gargoyles rookeries were on surface and were moved underground during the first Unseelie war. So I think the fact rookeries are underground is a matter of security more than else.
About mammal glands (I'm better to choose carefully words...) well, I don't think that's a camouflage. Usually, in evolution, nothing that has no practical function survives too long. So I think they're functional. If breeding and hatching for gargoyles are strictly cyclic, maybe even lactating is cyclic. By the way, usually gargoyles' hatchlings are children of the clan and none of them knows his parents, so there's no need that the specific female who breeded a certain egg has to lactate the hatcling: every availabile female can do it.

Gunjack:> Good to see you again! :)

Ok, nothing more for now. See you.

"Comunque vadano le cose, domani il sole sorgerà di nuovo. Con o senza di noi."
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 02:31:18 AM
IP: h213-3-118.mi.infinito.it

RP IN NEXT POST (I swear!)

Well I turned in my form today, so by the end of the semester I'll have my AS in Administration of Justice. Cool huh?

Kitainia- The one part that I didn't like was when the guy took off his helmet so the others wouldn't die trying to save him. There was a way to save him and it was obvious.

Star Trek- Keep the new series coming, keep the movies coming, but for the love of God, PUT THE SERIES ON A STATION THAT I GET!!!!!! Maybe they should do one more series then wait about 10 years after it ends to start another one.

See ya later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 02:19:42 AM
IP: cache1.avtel.net

**The door flys open and crashs into the wall as Katara stomps into the CR. She slams the door shut behind her. She stands with her paws on her hips, her eyes glowing red and steam pouring from her nostrils. The chibis and War Frost run and hide in fear. Furniture is over-turned as the residents madly scramble for cover.**

********HUGE WORK RANT***********

GOD!!! I SWEAR I WORK FOR A BUNCH OF FLAMING IDIOTS!!! I just got through talking to one of my co-workers on the phone. He used to be one of the floor supervisors, and is now assistant call center trainer. He's one of the few people that I really get along with because a) he's just as nuts as I am, and b) he also happens to like Gargoyles. We are always kidding and joking around with each other at work. Several weeks ago, he told me that he was "counseled" by the senior supervisor about our "relationship". It is so *BLEEP*-ing stupid!!! I just wish that people could stop being so paranoid about sexual harrasment sometimes. All that ever happens is that one of us makes a random comment, and the other one just happens to have their mind in the gutter at the time. Then we end up laughing like a pair of fiends! In a way, it's kind of funny how they are in such a panic right now, but mostly it's just plain frustrating. It's now to the point where he doesn't even feel that he can even speak to me in a professional manner without someone mis-reading the situation. Good thing no one was around the other day when we both ended up going into the supply room at the same time! Just think of all the WRONG ideas they would have gotten! We just laughed because we knew how the senior supervisors would freak out if they'd seen us together. GEEZ people, quit tripping! We are both adults and know how to conduct ourselves in the workplace _IF_ we ever wanted to have that type of relationship together. If this BS keeps up, I may end up losing my temper and my job too.
***TAKES A DEEP CLEANSING BREATH AND ENDS RANT***

Now on to replies........

Mercord>> I hope everything is going to be okay and that you are back with us soon.

Delphi>> loved, loved, LOVED the redneck computer terms!! My sides still hurt from laughing so hard! =0

Oscars>> only half-watched them while scanning through e-mail. Wasn't much interested in the outcomes since the only nominated movies I saw were Star Wars and Matrix.

**ALLY MCBEAL SPOILER ALERT**
Ally McBeal...now _that_ was a surprise, I must say! I've never seen a cannon character "die" so quickly in my life! Thank goodness that his natural hair color came back after he died! =}
**End Spoiler**

**The residents, chibis and War Frost cautiously peek out from the safety of their hidey-holes as she exists the CR to go in search of an industrial sized bottle of Tylenol for her headache*
Katara - [Katara_O@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 02:04:01 AM
IP: 98aa73fe.ipt.aol.com

*Valentine enters, dressed in black BDUs and carrying a suppressed Colt M4*

If anybody missed me, I spent the last few weeks w/ my buddies & my girlfriend... and also discovered a new addiction. It's called Counterstrike, and it's close to the most fun you can have without being arrested... :)
Anybody in here play?

*scans through the posts, and pales* Oh, shoot... Timedancer is up again, and I'm falling behind.:P Gotta find some time to catch up in between school and wasting terrorists...

Oscars - Didn't watch 'em... Too busy wasting Tangos with a TMP... Glad to hear that the Matrix kicked Lucas' butt though... The effects for Episode One were awesome, but nothing beats the subway fight...

Mental note: must pick up Matrix HL when it comes out... Just imagine Multiplayer Matrix...8)

Mathew/RP - Sounds like a multiple reality settup... I'm working on one myself. <<It ends up connecting to every TV show or movie I've ever watched sooner or later.>> Mine too. :) Sounds cool! If you feel up to it sometime, pass me some details... I love alternate reality stuff. :) <<Sorry to impose.>> Don't sweat it. If these nice people put up w/ me rambleing about guns & cyberware, nothing can fase 'em... :)

Sixth Sense - I just saw this last week, and was very impressed... I thought the kid did a good job of being a nervous, too-serious-for-his-age young'un. Now why didn't Lucas cast him for Skywalker instead of that uppity little "are you an angel" punk? It woulda made E1 About twice as good...

SJ/Scientology - Amen. <<Woman wins over ass, hands down.>> There was ever doubt?

GregB.><<He's been one of my favorite actors since "The Usual Suspects", how many people here saw that?>> Best dang movie I've ever seen, and the one movie responsible for the total overhaul of how I see plot...
"and *poof*... He's gone!"

Delphi - Thanks for the groaners...:) I missed those!

Ooo, look at the time! Gotta go, hopefully I'll get caught up sometime in the next few days... If any of you are in a counterstrike game and spot Dogmeat, pass me a bullet...:)

*Valentine leans back in his chair and goes back to worrying about wether he's being charged long-distance for those CS games on european servers...*

Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:49:55 AM
IP: spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com

Spacebabie: <<foot,pod,talon,paw,flipper,appendage (yeah i think I got everyone covered)>> actually, i'm a mixture of the Black Cloud {Hoyle}, and the Time-Space Continuum. ::) just kidding.

Rodlox
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:16:24 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

**RP Here**
“I still don’t see why we have to evacuate part of the station,” Wilek replied with exasperation, “We can handle this in house without heavy demolitions. The Raven’s cleric can handle a demon if you can’t.”
Kaioto narrows his eyes, glaring daggers at the image of Wilek on the console, “You don’t get it. I ~ Wish ~ it were that simple. She’s not a demon, so you can’t banish her back to anyplace else but here. The Quencher is frighteningly human. This is a good thing in the respect that she has human personality weaknesses, like hatred and self-absorbed amusement. But this is also a terribly bad thing, as she’s invested with the blessings of not just one, but all 4 of the Daemon Lords of Corruption.”
Wilek tries his best to smile and nod, “I’d think all the unholy symbols and tattoos sacrificial knives will probably make her an easier target.”
“Check your encounter data, chief. She’s wearing a Collar of Khorne. Good luck finding any magic or psi-based weapons to work on her. She’s infested with the rot of Nurgle, so she maggots and goo where her vitals would be, so good luck taking her out with conventional weaponry. And worst of all … she’s just having fun with those two powers right now … if she gets bored, she’ll start invoking Tzeenech and Slaanesh, and then we are ~ really ~ screwed.”
“Define, ‘Really screwed,’” Wilek demands quietly, not sure he wants the answer.
**Pause RP**

I’ve decided something. I REALLY don’t like getting my characters choke-slammed by a 7.5 foot tall Tyrant-viral hybrid mutant thing that can only say one word … sorry, Resident-Evil 3 flashbacks are starting to haunt me.

Question: Do all the Ishamura Gargoyles have fins on the ends of their tails?

Oscars: You know, I just didn’t care enough to watch it? I just don’t care what the Academy thinks anymore.

Sometimes I really wonder if it is at all useful to ponder Gargoyle-evolution when some of the differences in the race are just ridiculous from an evolutionary standpoint. Gargoyles with Lion’s heads and Unicorn heads and Griffen heads and such? There has to be some sort of form-shaping magic adapted to control at least Part of the gargoyles’ appearances. It could be just as likely that gargoyles have breasts for the same reason Una has a useless unicorn head instead of something more practical.

Some days I really wish they’d just let Trek die a dignified death with a few more movies in the theaters and that’s it. I liked Insurrection and First Contact, despite their flaws. I could deal with a few more movies, but please, merciful father, no more spin-offs.

I’ve been sitting on this RP bit for a few days, so I’ve got to get rid of it sooner or later … just wish I had more to post with it …

**Resume RP**
“The Boon of Tzeenech gives her some interesting psychic powers.” The Seeker pauses as Khessat scoffs. Kaioto shrugs, “See if I care when she walks up behind you and all of the sudden you are experiencing repressed memory disorders, vertigo, and psychic allergies. Beyond that, the whole mind reading goes really badly with the last power …”
“Which is?” Wilek prompts.
“There is a reason that rotting pile of Hellspawn still maintains a human appearance. The benefice of Slaanesh lets her take any appearance she pleases.”
“…”
“Yes, this is a Very Bad Thing,” the Seeker says bitterly, “She’s the ideal Doppledanger. If she gets bored of butchering, she’s going to go for subtlety, and then was are Officially Screwed … which is why I’m going to blow her out into the vacuum of space, taking as little of your station as possible. Even she can’t survive in a vacuum.”
“Still, we can find a better way than demolishing the station, can’t we. I mean, if you are what you claim to be, shouldn’t you be able to neutralize your counterpart?”
“Wilek,” the Seeker replies, his patience audibly wearing thin, “I’ll answer one more of your inane questions, then I’d advise you to evacuate this section of your station. Imagine if you will, what happens when you introduce Matter and Antimatter into each other. Without controls, they cause violent explosions. If I were to bend my full forces into direct, aggressive conflict with hers, there wouldn’t be anything left of this station to burn up in the atmosphere.” With that, the Seeker turns to leave, only to have Khessat try to restrain him.
“Hold it, you aren’t going anywhere but to a holding cell until we sort this all out.”
Dispassionately, the Seeker reaches over to the strong arm gripping his shoulder … and pinches an innocuous spot. Kheesat blinks once, twice, and then drops his arm limply. Then his jaw. Poking at his numb arm, he eyes the Seeker with a mixture of confusion and aggrevation and a hint of concern.
“It’ll wear off in a little less than an hour,” the Seeker says in a dismissive tone as he turns to leave.
**END RP**

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:05:27 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Color test= Peachy,,,,,casue I'm feelin peachy

Oscars=one word
BLEH!
She reaches into DC's back in order to pull out his spine, instead her hand is full of jelly

I'm soooo glad we started off on the right foot,pod,talon,paw,flipper,appendage (yeah i think I got everyone covered) please no more flames and no flames on this board
When did we get from Phenomes to pheranomes? one is ther pronounciation of letters and letter combos and the other is the perfume that attracts one member of the gender to another, but do gargoyles hve them? and where would they bre
rember FAMILY BOARD! I was thinking in the hair of the females and the sewat of rippling males

Scientology?!?! ok this scares me, that and the villians of the dead moon cirrcus

I was first FEAR ME
Spacebabie
Orlando Fl, FL, U.S.A
Monday, March 27, 2000 11:43:27 PM
IP: user-37kap35.dialup.mindspring.com

Leftover Oscar Stuff: A couple things I forgot to mention.
One, I did like the "Blame Canada" performance. Robin Williams wasn't *too* manic. The real treat was seeing Matt Stone and Trey Parker in their Oscar attire--both came dressed in drag. God, I love those two. They are true heroes of sick comedy.
I naturally was NOT pleased with Phil Collins win. I knew he'd take it, and nothing against the man, but that Tarzan song is about the whitest, most adult contemporary piece of shhhhhhh I've heard in quite some time. Aimee Mann deserved to win above that.
And finally, I was a bit disgusted by the strong applaus for Hanoi Jane. I'm sorry, I'll never forgive that woman. Regardless of whether you agree with Vietnam or not, anyone who treats our POWs with the amount of disrespect she did gets zero respect from me.

***Other Entertainment stuff!!!!****
For several years now, we've had no Terminator stuff. Now, we got nothing *but* Terminator stuff. Word out now is that producers are hard at work to not only bring us Terminator 3 by the summer of 2001, but also Terminator FOUR not too long after that AND a brand new Terminator series. My only question--are they gonna get Arnold? Cause the guy's like 50 now. He's still in phenomenal shape, but at his age, he can't go around fighting liquid metal cyborgs like he used to.

Star Trek Stuff that makes me want to KILL: Hot on the heels of the rumored Borg series, we've been given a sneak preview of the Voyager season finale. It's supposed to be a big event! One with stunning plot developments! It'll leave you guessing! What's it about? Well, confirmed reports state that the cliffhanger ending will have Tuvok, Torres, and Janeway all assimilated by the Borg.
*Ahem.*
WHAT THE F@#$ IS WRONG WITH THE STAR TREK FRANCHISE???? Must EVERYTHING be about the Borg? Are there NO OTHER ALIENS in the entire friggin' universe??? Jesus Christ, this is such sloppy storytelling I'm left speechless! I love the Borg, but I'm beginning to wish that they become ruined. That way, at least, these morons who are running things at Paramount won't use them as such a crutch. Way I see it, the way they're running the characters into the ground, the Borg half-life is rapidly approaching its end.

Scientology: Ah, the latest controversial religious topic. Let me begin by saying that I'm actually very tolerant of others religion. I may not agree with all aspects of a certain religion, but for the most part, I'm very accepting of others religious beliefs. Honest.
But Scientology makes me very, very nervous. I've heard some rather disturbing things about the "faith", and while they could be just propaganda, they do make me think. For me, though, I can't really respect the religion because, well, it was conceived by a *science fiction* author. I mean, let's be fair--I'm a Protestant Christian (not a very good one, mind you), and it can absolutely be argued that the Bible is nothing but one big, long, fairy tale written by a bunch of old men centuries ago. I would disagree with that, but that is what one could say about the Bible. That it, and that Christianity itself, is nothing but a religion made up by men, not by God or Jesus or any other deity. The "origin" of the Bible may be questioned. However, way I see it, there's *no* question about Scientology. A guy who wrote sci-fi for a living decided to come up with his own religion, and bang, here it is. So it may seem hypocritical for me to refute Scientology so easily when my own religious beliefs could be done also in the same manner....but I still would rather put my faith in guys like Moses and saint Paul over a guy whose works were published in Amazing Stories.
BTW, I will join Skippy in his boycott of the movie. If not for religious reasons, then for the simple fact that it just looks godawful.

Cartoon Violence/Censorship: They didn't use to censor the old classic cartoons. I can understand if it's something like the incredibly offensive "Bugs Bunny nips the Nipps" in which Bugs makes life difficult for several stereotypically evil, buck-toothed, yellow-skinned Japanese individuals (this 'toon really exists. It worked sort of as anti-Japanese propaganda). However, the cartoonish violence I don't have a problem with. I wonder, though--is this censorship due to political correctness....or to the fact that America's youngsters are just stupid enough to copy the acts of violence they see Bugs or Elmer or Daffy carry out?

Silverstar: I saw "Making the Band". It was very....bizarre. Sort of like a weird, warped beauty pageant. It left a rather bad taste in my mouth. No offense to the candidates chosen, but I hope the group fails. Last thing I need is another pretentious cute-boy group. As for cute-girl groups--I don't know. I like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera--but not their music. Bubblegum pop does nothing for me.
BTW, you like Incubus? Cool! That makes you the 3rd Incubus fan in the CR! (Just for reference, Joe Boxer and myself are the other two ;)

David: It is rather easy to pick on Ellison because a) he's just so darn surly and b) he's capable of defending himself (and then some! Mouth like a sailor!). I can't help but like the guy, though. His writing is about as good as it comes, and like I said, I find his blatantly offensive personality somewhat....endearing ;) :p
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, March 27, 2000 11:38:51 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Oscars: I was fairly happy with everyone and everything that received awards for the night. My favorites: The Matrix won all four of the oscars it was nominated for, and it kicked Star Wars ass! Lucus must be spitting in his shoes! Another: I'm glad Phil Collins got an oscar because I love his song, though I really like Sarah McLaughlin's as well. I love Kevin Spacey and Denzel Washington, so as long as one of them won, I was happy.

Firestorm> Actually, I really haven't liked the TGS pics of those characters in the stories. I just wish there were more pics of them.

Joe says Hi. He feels guilty because he can't get in here as much as I do. After April 1, I will have posted in this room almost every day for a year and a half! I love you guys! If only I could go to the Gatherings. :( *sniff*
SOROW
Monday, March 27, 2000 11:37:07 PM
IP: dll2a010-0601.splitrock.net

Has Pale Purple been used for the color test?

Now...Where's DC? <brandishes electrified speculum> He and I need to have a word about the server crash...

Rodlox> <<ahh, but what happens to the _rest_ of the egg then?>> It would stay non-stone, I suppose. <shrug>
Theresa> <<Wilek, loved the grey posting. I could read it without straining my eyes.>> <bows> Glad to oblige. :)

Skippy> Battlefield Earth> I've heard of this...<shudder> Is there anything anyone can do to keep this atrocity from being made? <sigh> Ah well; with any luck, it'll be enough of a failure that they won't profit much from it...
Wilek Nereus
Monday, March 27, 2000 11:04:19 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

REQUESTING RP ACCESS****
Somewhere on Earth is an unfindable, impregnable facility where those within know all that transpires on the planet. They have no interest in the events except to record. They are forbidden to interfere in the antural order of things. Those who work within and without are from a place that is a nexus between dimensions. A place called Keystone.

The Gateway in one corner of the control room activates and a man materializes within. He walks out as those in the control room salute.

"Welcome to Earth G1598, sir." says a man standing next to a central control station "You have the Command."
"I have the Command." the man from the Telepod said, completing the Change of Command ritual. He takes a seat at the central station. "OK, I need to know what's been happening here. Primaries, Secondaries, places, and events. Pipe it to the Command Station.

The Commander awaits the feed.
***END RP ACCESS REQUEST***

OK, the reason I did that was cuz I was hop[ing I might be able to get in on the RP. Thing is, I have no idea who's who and what's what and would appreciate a recap so I can contribute intelligently. As to "Primaries" and "Secondaries" A Primary is like a main character and a Secondary is like in the supporting cast. Goliath, Elisa, and Hudson, for example, would be Primaries. The Yuppie Couple and Tony Dracon would be Secondaries.

In case you're wondering where I came up with the stuff about watchers from Keystone, it's been banging around in my head for years but it's not coherent enough to commit to bytes and never will. It ends up connecting to every TV show or movie I've ever watched sooner or later. Basically, it was best I can think of for requesting a recap IC before actually making my character and posting a real RP.

I'd also appreciate any advice you can give me for creating my character and hooking it into what's already here.

Have I been talking too much? OK, I'll stop now. Sorry to impose.
Matthew - [MattS1@aol.com]
New City, NY, USA
Monday, March 27, 2000 11:02:27 PM
IP: 98ac5323.ipt.aol.com

Grey

Jenna> I'm not planning on it. That would be a really expensive trip, and there are some other things eating at my free money these days, like buying a house in the next six months. (I'm really getting tired of my neighbors' taste in music - lots of bass and limited originality)

SJ> I don't dislike Ellison, I just had no particular urge to sit in a dark room for two hours and listen to him rant. If I'd been able to make one of the discussion groups he was in (not very many), I would have done that. Besides, it's fun to say mean things about people with more power/recognition/money than me. It takes some of the sting out of my disenfranchisement/obscurity/poverty. :)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, March 27, 2000 10:39:56 PM
IP: dll2a030-0267.splitrock.net

Rodlox>> True, most religons do fit that same description, but I don't know of any other religion that has gotten it's doctrine copyrighted though. The fact that every major Cult watchdog group has labeled them as a dangerous organization also has a lot to do with my opinion of them as well...

The sad fact though, is that while your typical televangelist is nothing but a petty con man, Scientology has been categorized as being the organized crime of religion. It's not the individual members that are the problem, it's the hierarcy that runs things.

All I am really saying is that by seeing Battlefeild Earth, you are supporting Scientology. If you say you don't agree with them, then it'snot advisable to see the movie...
Skippy The Klingon - [<---Just check the link, please]
Monday, March 27, 2000 09:26:35 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-01.ultravision.net

Green (just green, as in the color of lizards and frogs)

Oops, just noticed a typo in my last post: elector-boy was supposed to be electro-boy.

So the server was feeling cranky today?

Rodlox> <<are there any phenomes {sounds for words} that humans might make, but gargs can't?>>: There are three thing that determine a speech phoneme (consonants). Manner, place, and voicing. Have we heard gargoyles say /t/ and /d/? If so, then they can make they have voicing covered. Next is placing. Do they have the same mouth structure as humans? It appears to be close enough. They would need to have bilabial (check), labiodental (check), dental (check), alveolar, postveolar, retroflex, palatal, velar, uvular, pharyngeal, and glottal. For manner, we ask can they make stops (I'd say yes), nasals (probably), trills (as in /r/), taps/flaps, fricatives (/f/ & /v/), lateral fricatives, approximants, lateral approximant (/l/), and ejective stops.
Vowels are mostly determined by placement of the tongue (high, forward, low, etc.), and I don't see too much problem there. Overall, I'd say, from what we've heard and seen, there does not appear to be too much of a problem for gargoyles to make human speech sounds (though they do have an extended collection of non-speech sounds in growls, wing snaps, etc.).
<<what sounds are similar to the "X" sound>>: /x/ was originally derived as a single symbol to represent /ks/. The official voicing, placement, and manner for x is voiceless velar fricative (the velum is right behind the palate). Though sometimes it seems to be pronounced as a voiced alveolar fricative (/z/).

Jenna> <<There is of course scifi stories about people who can control their pheremones>>: And The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, right?

Sev. Jr.> Oscars: And King Gimp won Best Short Documentary.
Billy Crystal: "I see white people"

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
New Brunswick, NJ
Monday, March 27, 2000 09:18:03 PM
IP: gside.dorm.rutgers.edu

KINDA-SORTA OF A RANT REGARDING Scientology:

Skippy the Klingon: <<Scientology also has a complicated,ponderously beaurocratic system of regulations by which all Scientologists are expected to live by. The cult also offers classes to members (which have to be paid for) to help you become a better Scientologist. All of this is calculated to brainwash individuals and mold them into obeidient, loyal, and fanatical cult members.>>

. i'm no fan of Scientology...but gee, that description you gave fits over a dozen religions from the past 3000 years - from worship of Re {ra}, Mithras, Christ, and Allah...to name but a few.

. i'm not a supporter of Scientology...but i'm also not paranoid {then again, i work for the Goverment}. large organizations require paperwork, and people to handle the paperwork {teh beurocracy you mentioned}.

. with respect, just because you disagree with them does not mean that they are brainwashed - i don't like rap music, i find it offensive...but does that mean that anyone who listens - and likes - rap music is automatically brainwashed?

RANT OVER.

Rodlox
Monday, March 27, 2000 09:07:47 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Oscar coverage: Well, I for one was busting a gut watching the performance of "Blame Canada." I like Robin Williams on general principle, and it was great, especially since they were able to perform the whole thing and censor but one word (but not really censor it, they just turned away when Robin sang it ... and they still managed to get away with calling Ann Murray a "bitch.").

Off topic: I know there's not a lot of sports fans in here, especially college basketball, but please indulge me. This evening I got an e-mail from my aunt, probably composed on the occasion of Michigan State advancing to its second Final Four in a row, and this year being the only #1 seed left in the tournament field they are the head-and-shoulders favorite of the four (other three are Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Florida). I thought it was entertaining ... I want to share it with everyone:

Subject: Sparty On!
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ESPN's Dick Vitale was in Indiana to call a basketball game when he noticed a red phone sitting near the Hoosier bench. He asked Indiana coach Bob Knight what it was for.
"It's a hotline to God," the coach said. Vitale asked if he could use it. "Sure, but it will cost you $100" was the answer.
Vitale figured he could use a break picking the games, so he pulled out his wallet and paid the $100.
Dick Vitale went on to have a perfect week.
The next week he was in Iowa City calling another game when he noticed another red phone, this one near the Hawkeye bench. He asked Iowa coach Steve Alford what it was for.
"It's the hotline to God, and it'll cost you $100 if you want to use it," Alford said.
Vitale, again, paid the money and had a perfect week.
This past week, Vitale was in East Lansing, Michigan when he noticed the same kind of phone near the Spartan bench. He asked Michigan State coach Tom Izzo about it.
"Is this the hotline to God?"
Izzo replied, "Yes, and it will cost you 35 cents to use it."
"Wait a second," Vitale exclaimed, "I just paid $100 to use it at Indiana and Iowa the last two weeks! Why does MSU charge only 35 cents?"
Izzo smiled and replied, "In East Lansing, it's a local call."

**jogs out of the room screaming "GO STATE!!"**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, March 27, 2000 08:53:24 PM
IP: zzz-209252248232.splitrock.net

Glad to see the room is back.

Oscars> YEAH!!! AMERICAN BEAUTY KICKS @$$. I loved that movie and am glad it won. And I'm glad Kevin Spacey won too. He's been one of my favorite actors since "The Usual Suspects", how many people here saw that? "Keiser Solsei"

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 27, 2000 08:51:38 PM
IP: dialin-56-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*********************VERY BIG SOAPBOX ALERT!!!******************

I expect this is not news to most of you, but I felt the need for it to be said anyway...

With all the talk about Hollywood and the movies going on and the upcoming Summer Blockbuster season, I felt the need to draw attention to one upcoming movie in May: Battelfield Earth, specificly, I want to point out why you should NOT see this movie...

The film is based off of a novel written by former Golden Age sci-fi author turned founder of Scientology L Ron Hubbard. It's the author's associtation with Scientology, an organization that simply put is the biggest and most dangerous religous cult in the world, is at the root of why it should be avoided.

For one reason, a large portion of the profits from this movie will go directly into the cult's coffers. Much of the movie's merchandising and promotion is being directed through Scientology subsidiary firms and Author Services International (ASI) is the main holder of the movie rights and is directly linked to the Scientology hierarchy.
Why should who gets the money be a concern? Because what Scientology has done in the past is grounds for concern. One of the main tenets of their philosphy is the belief that the mental health establishment is a threat to personal freedom (Seriously! In Battlefeild Earth the villans are called Psychlos (i.e. psychologists)) Instead, they practice a form of brain washing called auditing (costing $5,000 a session)in which you are hooked up to a kind of lie detector device and have to reveal your deepest personal feelings while being recorded by Scientology personel. Scientology also has a complicated,ponderously beaurocratic system of regulations by which all Scientologists are expected to live by. The cult also offers classes to members (which have to be paid for) to help you become a better Scientologist. All of this is calculated to brainwash individuals and mold them into obeidient, loyal, and fanatical cult members. Those that leave Scientology hardly ever leave with their money or sanity intact, if the leave at all.

And an even better reason to avoid the movie is that it will be, without a doubt, TERRIBLE! Considering that the source material, an 800 page opus of rambling inconsistency written by someone who knows nothing of modern science fiction, it is amazing that the book ever got published. Of course, the reason that occured was due to Scientology's intervention. They had cult members go out to bookstores and buy out their suppy, forcing the bookstores to reorder. This technique was the key to inflating Hubbard's literary status and ensuring his place on the New York Times Bestseller list. Considering that the book got consistently terrible reviews from critics (the ones that didn't get harassed by Scientology, that is) there is little reason how it could have gotten there except by the cult's organized efforts. All of this, was part of Scientology's plan to bolster Hubbard's public persona and vicariously increase their status in the public eye as well. Now with Battlefeild Earth about to be released in theaters nationwide, Scientology will further use the movie as a rcruitment tool to snag unsuspecting individuals into their web.

So I ask all of you to consider these facts and to look into the issue further yourselves. One good source for information on Scientology is the Operation Clambake website. Click my name link or got to http://www.xenu.net and find out for yourselves. I hope you consider what I have said, and keep it in mind when the movie comes out...

Skippy The Klingon - [<---Click here for more Scientology info]
Monday, March 27, 2000 08:51:12 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-01.ultravision.net

Oscar Stuff > Let's not forget Best Original Song, which went to Phil Collins for "You'll Be In My Heart" from "Tarzan." It was his third nomination in the category but his first win.

Gotta say I wasn't too impressed with the much-hyped Robin Williams presentation of "Blame Canada" from the "South Park" movie... but I was glad to see the other songs were performed by the artists who performed them / wrote them for the movies they were from. I kinda suspect Phil Collins would have insisted on that... after having to sit in the audience and suffer through a terrible rendition of "Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)" many years back.

Unfortunately, being an eastern time zone person, I didn't make it til the end. I turned it off and went to sleep right after the big musical medley number.
Patrick Toman
Monday, March 27, 2000 07:33:54 PM
IP: 98a77cb4.ipt.aol.com

Pale Purple.

Station 8 comment room is back up also.

Wilek, loved the grey posting. I could read it without straining my eyes.

Starsinger
Anonymous
Monday, March 27, 2000 07:25:20 PM
IP: proxy-321.public.rwc.webtv.net

Oy, there really aren't a lot of people posting today, huh?
Well I am!

Kit> Thank you for wishing me good luck w/ both my problems. :) Oh, and you are sooo not alone in the biased thing either. I asked that question because I am sick of seeing almost all male superhero groups.

Did anyone see that show, um, what was it, (thinks), OH yeah "Making the Band?" They used only guys. I'm not against male band (only cause some are CUTE), but we could have more girl bands. I don't mean girl bands like Spice Girls ( I have to admit I did like their music for a while), or bands that sing songs like Brittney Spears (oh barf!). I mean bands that sing songs like Blink 182 or Incubus! I would definitly like girl bands that play that kind of music.

Well enough of that subject. I gotta go do homework. (spring break still isn't here, they pushed it back so I have to wait two more weeks instead of one!) We also haven't been able to find a house yet. : (

There aren't any houses for rent but there are a ton for sale.

Bye!
silverstar
Monday, March 27, 2000 06:51:29 PM
IP: l1p17.dav.mother.com

Doh!!!!! Here's a direct link!!

jenna
Monday, March 27, 2000 06:37:15 PM
IP: 1cust26.tnt5.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

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Shameless plug!!!! Woohoo!!! At last it's done and up!

MISBEGOTTEN SON PART 2!!

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this has been another shameless plug!

doug- reading your story- so far very good- will send you an em later this week!
jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 27, 2000 06:36:29 PM
IP: 1cust26.tnt5.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

****SJ'S OSCAR WRAPUP****
Well, the Oscars didn't *totally* piss me off this year.

I'm gonna start with something that occurred in all the technical awards they gave away...you know, the crap that they use as filler until the actual serious categories come along?....well, let me be the first to say that the Matrix swept 4 categories: Best Visual Effects, Best Film Editing, Best Sound, and Best Sound Effects Editing. What makes that remarkable? In a solid three of those same categories--everything but film editing--the Matrix BEAT STAR WARS. In the most important category, Visual Effects, no less. Say what you will about the Matrix--love it or hate it--but THANK GOD Lucas didn't win. FINALLY, the Academy does something right, and that's giving Lucas the ol shaft. Take that, you pretentious, soulless bastard! Shows what happens when you promise a decent film, and it comes out a friggin' cartoon.

Angelina Jolie won for best supporting actress. I kinda like her. She's so totally mental I find it difficult not to like her (I'm drawn to the headcases, I think.) Plus she seems to have this whole, weird thing going on with her brother that is really rather....unsettling. But I'm glad she won.

Michael Caine won for best supporting actor. I would have loved to have seen Michael Clarke Duncan get it, but even he knew he didn't have a chance in hell. Thank God the kid didn't win. If I have to hear about him seeing dead people one more time, I'll gouge out my eardrums with a knife. Let the "Haley got robbed!" chants begin.

On to Best Actress....and it's Hilary Swank! God, this makes me happy. She really did deserve this award, and I'm very pleased she won. Plus I love seeing all those people who chose Annette Benning shocked that she didn't win. I think Hilary is a beautiful, wonderful young actress, and I wish her lots of luck in future roles.

Okay, on to the categories where I'm disappointed.....naturally, Kevin Spacey is best actor. I would have loved for Russell Crowe to win. Hopefully, though, if the upcoming "Gladiator" is half as good as they say it is, he'll get a nomination--and a hopefully a win--for that. I would have been pleased with Denzel Washington as well, but that's too much to ask for.

Proving that the voters just choose the films and actors/actresses they're currently in love with, the director from American Beauty won....yawn. And, of course, American Beauty won best picture. Oh well. Could have been worse. Could have been Sixth Sense.

So, I wasn't too upset over this year's Oscars. I could have been more depressed over the results. Instead, I focus my anger on how TOTALLY UNFUNNY Billy Crystal was (I'm very confused--I know the words that came out of his mouth were *supposed* to be humorous, but for some reason I wasn't laughing), and the ridiculous length of the show (note to Academy--if you're gonna run for 4 hours straight, start at 7 o'clock at the latest). And of course, at this point I'm disgusted at the self-congratulatory Hollywood circle jerk known as the Oscars, so my commenting is done
***END OSCAR TALK***

David G: You missed a panel with Ellison? I would never do such a thing. He's just so offensive, vulgar, and downright antisocial....which is why I love the guy! ;)

Pheromones: This study isn't that surprising to me. I'm a guy: what would I rather smell, the "scent of a woman", or some guy's hairy ass? I don't know about you guys, but my choice is pretty obvious. Woman wins over ass, hands down.

The Functionality of a Gargoyle's Breasts: They would *have* to be functional. Look at Demona, for example. She's just.....damn, I don't know who initially designed her, but he made her quite.....voluptous. If you want to talk in letters, those have to be at least a good-sized C. And, if I am not mistaken, it's been proven that large breasts *are* indeed a sign of fertility.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:55:05 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Wilek: <<<<do the eggs turn to stone? does the embryo?>> I would think that the embryo would, once its biochemical systems matured enough.>> ahh, but what happens to the _rest_ of the egg then?

Rodlox
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:43:26 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

well, this is ironic...i didn't promise feedback, yet i gave it...{that is irony, right?}. me confused.

Rodlox
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:42:00 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

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Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:35:37 AM
IP: pool-209-138-215-4.dlls.grid.net

American Beauty is Best Picture! Yeah! :) <grins, apologies to all the people who don't like the film even though I will never understand their reasons> Huzzah!

Another friendly reminder: Many promised me feedback this weekend. They all have thirty minutes to keep that promise, as I have not received any. Yeah, I won't get majorly mad or anything if I never get it, but I will be disappointed. And no one likes seeing me disappointed. :) Better late than never, okay, guys? :) Friend Doug signing off!
Doug
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:33:57 AM
IP: pool-209-138-215-4.dlls.grid.net

ACK! I forgot to paste in the rest of my post! Here it is:

Heh, just tried POV-Ray and got a splitting headache as soon as I saw the interface... O_O'

Mecord> <> Ack. Farewell, and glad you'll be back relatively soon. :)

Fire Storm> <<So here is where YOU, the CR poster, can help! Browse through your favorite TGS stories and images (TGS provided images only) to find the pictures and characters you think should be in the CR.>> Let's see... Quarrygirl Elisa from the first picture in Perchance To Dream (Gargs season 1)...the Owenesque Weird Sisters from the first picture in Two (Gargs season 1)...Rosalind and Caspian from the first picture of My Lady Fair (Gargs season 2)...Demona from the first picture of Double Take (Gargs season 2)...the moose guy (no idea what his name is) from the first picture of In The Blood (Gargs season 2)...the evil clown from the second picture of Hazards (Gargs season 2)...Alex and the very kawaii teddy-goyle from Aftermath 2 (Gargs season 2)...um, the second picture of To Every Season (Dark Ages season 2) is broken...The dude on the left in the first picture of Nowhere To Run 1 (Dark Ages season 2)...the guy on the left in the second picture of Bandit's Gambit (Dark Ages season 2)...Lord Ravyn's sigil from the first picture of Serendipity 2 (Dark Ages season 2)...Lord Ravyn from the second picture of Serendipity 2...Triassic Reject Ophelia from Crossroads 1 (Timedancer Season 2)...Pietr Domovoi from the first picture of A Merrier Hour (Timedancer Season 3). :) (Some of these may already be in the lineup, I'm not sure.)

Gside> <<If you have a semi-good gamepad, you could program the moves into an unused button.>> I have a Gravis Xterminator, but it and ZSNES have...issues...<lightbulb> ZSNES does have an internal macro recorder, though...hehehe...

Todd> <<What I mean is: was the disappointing and mediocre nature of the Goliath Chronicles a factor in our missing "Gargoyles" the more, the fact that it didn't die with dignity?>> Of course. If it had ended with Hunter's Moon, we would simply have been stolen from, which would have been bad enough. But thanks to the atrocity of TGC, we were also *violated*, which makes it a lot worse. Our favorite toy wasn't just taken away from us, it was smashed to bits with a Quarryhammer right before our eyes. <sigh>

Rodlox> <<do the eggs turn to stone? does the embryo?>> I would think that the embryo would, once its biochemical systems matured enough.

Delphi> Redneck Computer Terms> <LOL>
Wilek, the Mountain Dew Of Stupidity
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:26:04 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Color Test: Dark Grey. :)
Wilek Nereus
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:24:57 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Top Something!

Yeah Kevin Spacey, Angelina Jolie, and Hillary Swank! :)
Kitainia and Doug
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:24:31 AM
IP: pool-209-138-215-4.dlls.grid.net

Top Ten?
Brian Thietje
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:17:49 AM
IP: spider-wd042.proxy.aol.com

Top Ten Yet Again!
INTREPID27665596
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:05:55 AM
IP: ppp15923.on.bellglobal.com

Top 10?
Wilek
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:05:05 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

Banzai.
Toku Kaioto
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:03:54 AM
IP: 141.133.151.90

Six for me. Yeah!
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, March 27, 2000 12:01:46 AM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

Top Ten! Apologies if this double-posts, my finger slipped.
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:56:48 PM
IP: zzz-209252248089.splitrock.net

3 or 4.

Rodlox
Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:56:41 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

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Coyote the Bando
Algoanc
Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:56:24 PM
IP: zzz-209252248089.splitrock.net

Top Ten!!!!
Katara
San Diego
Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:53:48 PM
IP: abda2316.ipt.aol.com

Top Ten!
First I think

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn]
Orlando, FL, U.S.A
Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:48:09 PM
IP: user-37kap1u.dialup.mindspring.com