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David G>>returned the edits, by the way two thumbs up!
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, idaho
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:32:05 PM
IP: twin57al.magiclink.com

I just caught the repeat of the Voyager season finale, and what really got me wasn't the whole Janeway following in the footsteps of Picard, but of Voyager following in the footsteps of the Matrix.

I mean, here we have all these people hooked into this enslaving computer and they are organizing a resistance. Obviously, beacuse this enviroment is made up of the will of the people involved (how else would a Klingon have a bat'leth inside that artifical enviroment?)so what I was wondering why some of the former fleet people just didn'nt manifest phasers for themselves? Iam half expecting a massive virtual war for the season opener,though if we see Janeway in black leather and a trenchcoat I guess it's just time to give upon Trek all together...
Skippy The Klingon
Sunday, May 28, 2000 10:11:15 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-23.ultravision.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Hola, everyone! :) How is the weekend going? I'm off from work for two days, whoopee! Gonna sleep in and vacuum ;) I've been eating _way_ to much chocolate!

Shadowrider: Hi! Bet you're wondering what happened to me, eh? Well, I'll finish up some revisions on the translation you sent me tomorrow (Tuesday, the latest), and I'll eagerly await the final parts! I hope your weekend's been doing well! Any preference for CR cake? Will make you some for your party!

Winterwolf: Hola to you too! I got your e-mail, and I'm glad you won't hold back when giving your critiques :) Of course we all have that instinct to protect our personal works, but in college and real life, you have to take these things in stride--and they all help us grow. So, I look forward to what you have to say, and take all the time you need! :)
Ah, so you've had to play chauffeur to your dad, huh? * L * I had to do the same thing for mine when he had an operation to remove scar tissue in his midsection...and he couldn't really do more than sit for a while. Needless to say, he was endlessly restless, wanted to go everywhere, and decided I was the one for the job :)
Hmmm, so I have three domains to choose from, huh? heh-heh. I could wreak some considerable, confusing havoc with those ones, couldn't I? Just have to find the time for world domination ;) Just kidding! Don't want to pull a Future Tense Lexington. Have a great Mem. Day!

Gunjack: Death by chocolate! By Jove, I think he's got it! :)

Kit: Sorry you won't be going to A-Kon. But, there's always another time, another year :) At least you live close enough to it :) BTW, thank you very much for your comments about my fic--I can't believe everyone liked it so much (personally, I think it may have lacked focus because of the long amount of time it took me). Again, thanks to you (And Doug, who is a great writer :)) for all your comments! :) Glad everything with your family worked out, and little Julia sounds like a complete cutie-pie!

Mecord: Woo, sounds like you're having fun! ** Blinks ** You've had sun? Up here, it's been so long since the clouds have parted that I'm starting to feel like a vampire (and my skin's starting to look the part, too).

GB: Hmm, see you're causing a bit of a stir in here, huh? ;) No problem about Attila's contributions to the story...yet ^_^ Just kidding! Have a good Mem. Day.

Hmmm...guess that's all for now! By!

Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 08:23:05 PM
IP: lac-flex95.ncia.net

Usually, 'mano' is used to mean "man"...as in "mano eh mano, man to man, just you and me and my - GUARDS!!" -Robin Hood men in tights.

Rodlox
Sunday, May 28, 2000 08:22:21 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

<enters, looking sleepy, but with a strange light in his eyes...>

Gunjack Valentine:> No problem. You posted some interesting points and I'll email you my reply...tomorrow, now I'm too tired, Niamhgold knows why. Just out of curiosity...what does " 'mano" mean?

OK, my bed calls...good night to everyone.

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Sunday, May 28, 2000 08:00:56 PM
IP: h255-22-238.mi2.albacom.net

Did anyone else catch the salute to Charles Shultz. This was in the planning stages before he died. The comic industry went ahead with the salute and gave his wife his lifetime achievement award.
Starsinger
Sunday, May 28, 2000 07:27:54 PM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

***JANINE WALKS IN SLEEPLY***

Good morning everyone. Oh wait it's after three. Sorry I didn't get to bed untill five this morning. I had so much fun!

Gunjack> I think it was you any way... The PTB are the Powers that Be. I don't know who they are or what they want but I do know they exist. Don't ask me any more, please. The last time people asked me about this subject and I tried to explain I almost, literaly, went insane. So please don't ask.

On a lighter note:

MI:2
It was a good movie but I still find it hard to believe that Ethan Hunt would go to such a great extent to save a woman or that he would "fall in love" so easily. The action was great but predictible. Almost anything that the characters did was predictable.

Well gotta go for now. I'll be around.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 06:48:36 PM
IP: phx-206.treknet.net

***TIMEDANCER SPOILERS****
<<Based on his limited knowledge of human anatomy>> he was a gargoyle? a fae? a sileni or such Other?

on the use of Brooklyn's face to determine loyalty: {didn't we already do a discussion on garg discriminations?} a 'servant of Posidon' i can understand - the dolphin beak....but by that standard, what about Bachus or Dionesys(sp?), who was rescued by dolphins and henceforth associated with them..?

note: Ancient Rome would be the Roman Republic, and hte days when Rome was but one nation among many others on the Italian Penninsula. {just trying to help}.

Brooklyn's face in the picture {and a wonderfull showing it was} was oddly reminisent of a short-beaked dinosaur {perhaps one of the hysphiodonts or ornis}.

even when Payne first used his powers as the ash was falling {a connection there?,,,ashes/destruction = activation?}...i had the hunch that Payne would be buried in the lavaflow...and be released during the excavations of Pompeii!

Brooklyn: "you again??"
Payne: "surprised?"

Rodlox
Sunday, May 28, 2000 06:27:37 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Shadowrider - Just caught your last post after I submitted mine... Sorry about that... :P
Gunjack Valentine
Sunday, May 28, 2000 03:28:25 PM
IP: nas-57-39.dallas.navipath.net

*Valentine pokes his head back in*
Okay, I lied... :) I have enough time for one more posts... No ,I'm not an addict *nervous laugh* I can quit any time I want! Sure!
Shadowrider(who else?)><<but religion is for definition something that can't be proofed, and so I keep on wondering in search for answers.>> Religion can't be proved, the way that gravity and the existence of energy can be proved, but any religion that makes claims about history should at least have the decency to back their statements up with facts... <<For the morality issue, I think there is not a common morality, all I can do is trying to respect my own morality...>> I'd really love to take up that one, as I believe that Morality's existence or nonexistence has serious, logical consequences on the lives of everyone on the planet... But not today. :) At least we can both agree that the Vatican was wrong in it's actions. <<Now they are apologising, yes...but how can I be sure they are sincere, seen their past history? This apologising could be another political move.>> I agree that an apology alone doesn't cut it... But I believe that the apology was sincere, and am anxiously waiting actions that back it up. <<The fact that the earliest followers of Jesus accepted persecution in the name of their faith is true for sure, but in History a lot of other people did the same, all around the world and in the name of the most different beliefs. Even Bolsheviks did it: does it mean that Bolshevism and Christian religion have to be posed on the same level?>> Excellent point, but I think there is an important difference between "patriotism" (I mean the following of a cause such as freedom, country, or justice) and faith.

The Bolsheviks, when they were jailed and exiled, had a well-defined goal directly in front of them. They were working toward the political and social transformation of Russia, and they knew that they had a reasonable chance of living to see it happen. When they were tortured, they could bolster their courage with thoughts of a day of reckoning, when the tables would be reversed and justice would be done.
When faced with with immenent death, the early Christians had no avenue of revenge or justice. They had no long-term political agenda, no hope that some day they could have justice for the thousands of their friends, wives, husbands, children and parents who were brutally murdered. In fact, their faith demanded that they forgive the murderers, and continue to pull them toward salvation. See the difference?
That kind of passive resistence would be, in my opinion, impossible to maintain if the foundation of their beliefs were in doubt, as it would be if they were lying about public events. Jesus taught thousands at a time; how do you get them all to go along with the lie when there are so many good incentives to tell the truth (favor from the Jewish leaders, for instance)? <<Power, for example, or a revolution to get rid of Roman domination and free the Galilea.>> True, but the Apostles' letters and actions don't support this. There are no recorded instances (even by their enemies) of abuses of power or attempts to stir their churches into revolt. No revolutions were attempted against Rome by the Christians, and their live-and-let-live attitude toward the Romans eventually caused them to be rejected by the Jews as turncoats...

*Glances at his watch, and boggles*
Okay, I've got to go NOW! Sorry for not getting to the rest, but I'm outa time. See ya later...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 03:27:11 PM
IP: nas-57-39.dallas.navipath.net

A quick one...

Religioud debate:> Something just happened to me that made me understand this CR is not the right place for such a discussion. So, if anyone wants to continue the debate or answer to my comments about it, I'll be glad to reply, but via email. Feel free to email me about it, and I'll reply to everyone. I instead will try to avoid any further discussion about religion in the CR (it doesn't mean you can't discuss about it, but I'll not take part)

Spike:> Sata in swimsuit? Whoa, I wait eagerly to see it...

SOROW:> I am not particularily fond of anime, but "Princess Mononoke" was really good, for style, tematics and characters. Do you know the title of the theme song? I'm searching for it...

CrzyDemona:> I liked that picture. I've always liked the realistic style of drawing, and that one was very well-done. Just a question...who is Zelgadis? I know I am probably making a silly question, but I really don't know him...

See you all...
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Sunday, May 28, 2000 03:21:24 PM
IP: h213-16-215.mi2.albacom.net

Hmm. I had a power outage this morning. Apparantly, pretty spread out. I had to run the sound system at my church this morning and the power didn't come on until a few minutes before the service started. Thank God for fans and air conditioning.

don't say the words "-g-- Pax"! I wasn't in this comment room then, but I can imagine the response. Maybe, my keyboard problem is fixed!

It seems so. Maybe losing power while the computer is being turned on fixed things.

**SPAM RELATED**
I still can't figure out why I'm getting spam to one of email addresses. That one has only 1 thing coming in regularly and I'm 200% sure he didn't sell the names.

The good news is that the email account I used on my forms has no spam. So either no internet spiders know where my website is or they don't go beyond the front door.
**END SPAM RELATED**

**RELIGION DEBATE**
I've read the arguments. But I'll add a new one.

Assuming there is a God who created people and he/she is
perfect (noticing I'm not inserting the rest of my beliefs):

He/she would want people to do unto others as they would have others do unto them. To enforce this rule, he\she would have a place of punishment for those who didn't obey the rule and a place of pleasure for those who did. To help get more people to go to the place of pleasure, god would have people teach this simple value. Ultimately, those would rejected this value would go to the place of punishment. The God would also send down 'signs' from heaven to try to get people to obey this simple rule.

This is an extremely simplified justification of my God's actions, but some of you can figure out where it leads and which parts of my beliefs I am leaving out.
**END RELIGION DEBATE**

**BFTS RP continues**
DPH and Plastique Saber were confused. The arrow pointing to Self-ReBoot pointed in a direction where there was no road so they went to the nearest town to get a map.

DPH and Plastique Saber traveled into the town, purchased some maps and tried to figure out where to head. They had to look at the state map to figure out where they should be heading and where the next sleepover spot was going to be.

**MEANWHILE**
"So it's agreed that we steal the money electronically," said Fred Hitman.

"Yes," everybody at the meeting replied.

"Alex Freedman and Elaine Wiseman, you said you just needed a driver and a car to complete the transaction without being caught, right?" asked Fred Hitman.

"Yes," Alex Freedman and Elaine Wiseman replied.

"Excellent. When can you proceed?" asked Fred Hitman.

"We need a day to get everything ready," said Elaine Wiseman.

"Ok, everybody dismissed." said Fred Hitman.

Everybody left the meeting.

The next day, Alex Freedman and Elaine Wiseman got a limousine.

"You need to obey every traffic law to the very letter. Take your time driving because we do not need to be involved in an accident." said Elaine Wiseman.

"Do not do anything that might get you pulled over. We need to be in continious motion, whenever possible." said Alex Freedman.

"So, let me get this right: you are not in a hurry but you need to keep moving at all times, if possible. So do you want me to go the minimium speed limits?" asked the driver.

"No, just drive the same speed as the surrounding traffic without breaking any laws. We do not want to be remembered." said Alex Freedman and Elaine Wiseman at the same time.
**END BFTS RP**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 03:08:41 PM
IP: max1-61.cwy.cei.net

Greetings all... Sorry for not posting in a while, but real life has been getting in the way a lot lately.

First off, a note to Sev. Jr. - Hope your dad pulls through all the junk he's been through...you and I may not always see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but I know of the agony you're going through seeing what's happening to the top male in your life... Take it from me, it's never easy seeing your father go through hell, and there's not a lot you can do to help. Let's just pray that your father gets through it and is still around at the end of it all...

JENNA/KYRYN - Congrats on the new jobs! Here's hoping you get to keep them! :)

CHRISTINE - I'll have my Avalon Mists subs in by tonight. Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you on them...

WELCOME ABOARD - to all the new comers! :)

LEXY/LEX ATTELO - If you're out there, either get in touch with me or have your friend Stormy (the one running Miniclan.org) contact me ASAP... it's concerning what we discussed some time ago...

Glad everyone is still enjoying the new Timedancer eps! This year's staff did a great job with them so far. :) Kudos all round!

Will have more to say later! Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, May 28, 2000 03:04:51 PM
IP: m109.ieway.com

Shadowrider><<Nothing better than waking in the morning and finding a good debate waiting for you. ;) This discussion is probably useless, because nothing I can say will ever shake your faith, and probably nothing you can say will cancel my eternal doubts...but I enjoy it the same.>> I'm glad you're having as much fun as I am. :) I'm leaving in about two hours so I don't have enougbh time to post replies, but I may get some off next weekend... :P See you later, 'Mano!
Gunjack Valentine
Sunday, May 28, 2000 02:03:45 PM
IP: nas-48-3.dallas.navipath.net

Mara Cordova - Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku!! That is my favorite too!

I may adapt it as my personal anthem... Y'now, Death God and All...

The Absolute Destiny Apocalypse
The Absolute Destiny Apocalypse
Birth records; Baptismal records; Death records
The Absolute Destiny Apocalypse
The Absolute Destiny Apocalypse
My birth; The absolute birth; The Apocalypse
In the dark desert; A midwife and a nurse
A gold-gilded Shangri-La
Day and night reversing
A time-gilded Lost Paradise

Darkness of Sodom
Darkness of light
Darkness in the distance
Darkness without bounds
The Absolute Destiny Apocalypse
The Absolute Destiny Apocalyptic Darkness; The Apocalypse

Mokushi Kushimo
Shimoku Kumoshi
Moshiku Shikumo

I am still trying to understand the lyrics for the end song as well. "Missing truth and forever, kissing love into your heart"? What is that suppose to mean??

Hmm... well knowing how *wierdly* natural Japanese convalutes into English.. how about a change in grammar?

Missing truth, and kissing love into your heart.

Yeah, sounds better.

I SO love Mikage from the Black Rose Saga. Of course Touga is my favorite pretty boy from the show (and darn it if their arent a LOT of pretty boys in that show!) I guess if they don't have blue skin, they at least need red hair. O.o

You got problems, Crzy... but that's almost certainly a good thing. ^_^ Hey, Touga has a sorta incest thing going on too, just like Jericho... well... Nanami does anyhow...

If you are a big Zelgadis fan, you would probably like this Otaku (fan manga) I found.

http://ch1yujin.hihome.com/~ch1yujin/index.html

(may take a moment for the English words to load) Beautifully done and a GREAT Slayers story.

Eugene-chan's manga? Baby, I got that place linked! She ROCKS.

Mara Shinigami Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 01:55:45 PM
IP: spider-to083.proxy.aol.com

New on my site:
Updated the Magelore site with a bit from John Kovalic's intro and Christi's rendition of Cat and Arien as they might appear if they joined the mysterious agency EIB ; )
Also a new pic in the Gallery from Graymonk.
Find the links at http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html or with a simple click!

AvMists > to all who replied, great, thanks, I will be watching the mail! Aiming at having the new issue posted on Thursday or Friday.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:46:55 PM
IP: 14-083.009.popsite.net

Mara Cordova - Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku!! That is my favorite too! I am still trying to understand the lyrics for the end song as well. "Missing truth and forever, kissing love into your heart"? What is that suppose to mean?? I SO love Mikage from the Black Rose Saga. Of course Touga is my favorite pretty boy from the show (and darn it if their arent a LOT of pretty boys in that show!) I guess if they don't have blue skin, they at least need red hair. O.o

If you are a big Zelgadis fan, you would probably like this Otaku (fan manga) I found.

http://ch1yujin.hihome.com/~ch1yujin/index.html

(may take a moment for the English words to load) Beautifully done and a GREAT Slayers story.

I dunno if I showed you guys this or not... but Elisagoyle and I collaborated on this pic of Zelgadis as a Gargoyle!!!

http://www.geocities.com/crzy_demona/Temp/ZelGargColor.jpg

Christine/GB - GB a dish in his uniform? ::hoses off Christine:: Goodness GB!! You are gonna start a fire in here if you aren't careful!

Gunjack - <<*Trys to imagine Greg and Thom carrying a totally rigid Crzy off the plane, and busts up again*>> HEY, don't give me any ideas! heh heh. >:)
CrzyDemona
Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:08:39 PM
IP: 209.150.94.68

Quickie while the phone's open.

BTW, if anyone gets their hands on the May 30 ish of Hollywood Reporter, flip through it to see the ad the Save N&A campaign was able to afford... we raised over a thousand dollars to take an ad out, and it came out pretty well.

Doug and Kit> Thank you for writing! I didn't know if that e-mail got to you, but I decided to give it a shot since the two of you liked the show too. :)

GB> <> The Army in general? Not really. On post, I'm stuck messing with Windows NT.

**MOVIE SPOILERS**

Mission: Impossible 2> Well, this time it wasn't Mission: Implausible. Nice action scenes - it's John Woo, though, I've come to expect that from him - but I didn't really buy Dougray Scott as the villain. Even when I got his "Ever After" role out of my mind, it didn't really work. Glad they didn't go and kill off Luther (which Dave and I thought was going to happen when the van exploded), but we saw Nyah injecting herself with Chimera coming a mile away. The idea of the killer virus and the anti-virus was interesting, and the thought of something like that spreading made me ill. Decent flick, and better than its predecessor.

Gladiator> Actually, I still haven't seen this, but the ending was spoiled for me at work on Friday anyway. :)

**END SPOILERS**

Christine> Oh, what the heck, I can at least send you a character spotlight...

Fanfic stuff> Stuck on my Garg fics; that's nothing new. Got sidetracked from my SG-1 fic by the N&A cancellation, and am writing my own solution to the cliffhanger, "Murphy's Law." The bizarre thing is, I'm on the verge of writing Sarah Adams in there because I need a hacker, but after the last time I let the character out of my Gargoyles universe, that's not such a good idea.

Daniel> Happy belated birthday. **hugs**

Okay, I have to get offline now. Later...
Mandolin
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:43:37 AM
IP: imacache.iximd.com

Yes to all who asked. I *did* have 35 girls under my roof. With lots of cramming, it worked out. And the party wasn't because I happened to have 35 friends I wanted to invite, it was for drill team so I had to invite them all, whether I wanted to or not.

Kit> Thank you so much for the compliments. You are a wonderful sister to me!

Shadowrider> I saw Princess Mononoke when it was out in the theaters. I thought it was awesome! I love anime.
SOROW
Sunday, May 28, 2000 10:09:18 AM
IP: dll2a010-0273.splitrock.net

Christine>> Inking my AvMists entry as we speak...

*L* Sata and Ariana in the swimsuit issue, nuff said.
Spike
Sunday, May 28, 2000 10:05:11 AM
IP: ppp37-42.ght.iadfw.net

Greetings to everyone. Are you all having a good weekend? I really hope so.

My fanfic's translation is almost complete. With a little luck, I'll finish it tonight.

Last night I've seen Princess Mononoke. Liked it a lot. Inspiring, good characters, and I liked music too. Anyone has seen it around here?

Kitainia:> Welcome back! Good to have you and Doug around again.

Gunjack Valentine:> Nothing better than waking in the morning and finding a good debate waiting for you. ;) This discussion is probably useless, because nothing I can say will ever shake your faith, and probably nothing you can say will cancel my eternal doubts...but I enjoy it the same.
Now, you pose me interesting points...but I have no time to reply to them one by one now. Furthermore, I am not an expert of those things... So, I just try to clarify my position. I have nothing agains believers of any religion, as long as they don't try to impose their view, but I can't share their faith. I personally consider myself a doubtful one: I can't help but putting in discussion truths of any kind, especially if they can't be objectively proofed...but religion is for definition something that can't be proofed, and so I keep on wondering in search for answers. For the morality issue, I think there is not a common morality, all I can do is trying to respect my own morality...and to my own personal morality, many of the actions the Church committed are ugly. For the apologising...well, remember: "Always forgive, never forget". I can't forget the past sins of the Church, and the hypocracy it defended those sins with for centuries. Now they are apologising, yes...but how can I be sure they are sincere, seen their past history? This apologising could be another political move.
The fact that the earliest followers of Jesus accepted persecution in the name of their faith is true for sure, but in History a lot of other people did the same, all around the world and in the name of the most different beliefs. Even Bolsheviks did it: does it mean that Bolshevism and Christian religion have to be posed on the same level?
About the altering of Jesus's teachings...there are a lot of possible reasons for it, apart money. Power, for example, or a revolution to get rid of Roman domination and free the Galilea. Again, there are a lot of examples in History of group of followers that, after their Master's disappearing, altered in many ways, and sometimes in perfecy honesty, his teachings.
You're probably right as you say that a lot of the many Christian sects are not to be blamed for Vatican's mistakes. I know very little of these sects, practically I know only Catholicism (of course), Protestantism and Anglicanism. (BTW, the fact that christians are so minutely divided between themselves, for so many reasons, doesn't mean anything?). Probably I'd be better to say "Catholics" more than "Christians". Anyway, remember that Vatican is a hierarchy...and to reach the highest levels, you have not to be a good man, but an astute politician...
Hm...sorry, I have no time to write more now.
Thank you for your words about my incoming service.

Winterwolf:> Taxi service, huh? Quite boring, I guess...you have all my comprehension...
Gotta run, later maybe.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Sunday, May 28, 2000 09:43:55 AM
IP: h213-20-73.mi2.albacom.net

CtB> <>: Just say you were dreaming about swimming, and you couldn't breathe or you would drown. Og course, if you are talking about the secondary effects, can't help you there.

Gunjack> Good luck with all that you will do in the summer.
<<And I'd really need your definition of "viable" up front before I signed on>>: Before I proceed, first you must realize that Douglas is Rutgers's all female campus. There are many jokes/stereotypes/rumours floating around that I like to perpetuate for the sake of increased humor at Rutgers's expense. If Rutgers had been around that long ago, Sapho would most likely have been a Douglas graduate.
<<I'd actually prefer to *lose* these arguements, if this is how it's gonna work>>: Then may you resolve your sibling troubles how you would wish.
<<the nuke-advocating sociopath>>: Nah just has his tongue surgically attached to his cheek. I mean, between that, Short People, Burn On, He Gives Us All His Love, and You Can Leave Your Hat On...

Warpmind> <<my so-called peers are less fluent in the playful language known as English than I am, so maybe it is for the better>>: But there are such wonderful modern innovations called subtitles and overdubbing. I recall that these processes have been used many time in American distributed documentaries.
<<you ought to have responded to those calls gaily>>: Is this one of those situations which require peanuts? Because I know a great place to get many, many peanuts.
<<my phone number... is still incomprehensible>>: I wish you better luck with your next number.

Gunjack> <<after staying up until 3:00 last night>>: That's nothing, I've been averaging fourish since I got back from RU. But then, I've been averaging waking up at two. Stupid quote reference: "Hey, stranger things have happened... Like that time I went to sleep by eight o'clock... p.m." The sad part is, in our suite, you really need that last qualifier. (source: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~tfarrell/stupid.html note by page editor)
<<Their only complaint was that they had to walk so far...>>: Same think happened way back when, too. I have the word of a participant (and the only person to bring food).

Right. Wednesday I noticed I had posted my 49th mp3. That means my 50th goes up today. So to celebrate my 50th mp3 and Memorial Day, I present my playlist for tomorrow (though it will actually sound good): Irving Berlin's God Bless America, and John P. Sousa playing Anchors Aweigh and the Marines Hymn. For those of you who are confused, tomorrow and Monday I will be payed to play in two bands (Shore Brass Band (where my mother will be joining me (as an alto, as opposed to clarinet)) and Funny Factory (oughta be fun doing that one again: the percussion are clowns)) in two parades. It's great when your ex-sax teacher is a high muckamuck in the union.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, May 28, 2000 02:03:05 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Winterwolf: oh...TGC..{the goliath chronicles, right?}.........i thought you two said TGS {the gargoyles saga}.

Sorry.

Rodlox
Sunday, May 28, 2000 01:59:42 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Rodlox> <Pax what ep?> Since the episode is still ringing in my head I'll tell you. Read in a very sarcastic tone -> Thanks again Todd. ;) End sarcastic tone. It is a TGC episode where Goliath is brainwashed by the Illuminati to kill Egon Pax. I don't remember the name of the episode but it also features members of the clan being tortured by the Illuminati. *shudders* I don't want to think about it anymore. Hope this answers your question.
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, May 28, 2000 01:46:03 AM
IP: dialup-209.246.81.77.newyork2.level3.net

Mr Jensen & Winterwolf: <<Pax>> okay, i'll bite....what ep?? {i have a feeling that it was before i became part of this CR}.

Gunjack: <<do grendels have any weaknesses?>> oh, you think i'm gonna tell you?

okay, fine...here's some hints:
*grendels are nocturnal, like gargoyles.
*unlike gargoyles, grendels do not turn to stone by day.
*grendels fear an end to their Memory Line {genetic memory, remember?}...which is not continued by people adopted into the clan.
*antisocial among our own species.
*while our elephantine skin is not light-sensitive, our eyes are - noon daylight can blind us.

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 01:17:09 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Gunjack Valentine> Excellent comments on Christianity. I agree completely.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Sunday, May 28, 2000 01:02:43 AM
IP: dial-188.ocis.net

So far this weekend is the opposite of last weekend. I'm stuck operating as a taxi service for my dad since he got into his accident last week. It was decided that he wouldn't drive for a while. This is the reason I was without a car last weekend. Since he his keys have been taken away he has been constantly bothering me to drive him. Today I spent 7 hours driving him to places I have no interest in. :( I have to intensify the search for my own place.

*Winterwolf pushes his way into the crowded CR room.* Wow look at all the posts!

Janine> <wing arms> Great! I've always imagined the wings and wing arms being the most difficult part of a gargoyle costume. They would be extremely delicate since they are not covering part of the body and not as thick as the tail would be at least if done to scale. To your continued successes! ^_^

Wapmind> O.O There are times when having a good imagination is a problem. Now I'm seeing disturbing images since you gave me the full description of that movie. Must kill those brain cells before your namesake rubs off on me. ;)

Doug and Kitainia> Welcome Back both of you!

Todd> <Pax> Did you have to remind me of that TGC episode. I watched it only once and now I can't get it out of head! :( I must plot my revenge now. How can I get Todd back? Hmm... ;)

Delphi> <Ring Bear> I showed this one to my Mom and she loved it. I thought it was cute too. ^_^

SOROW> That many people sleeping over boggles my mind!

Weird I should have more replies.

******BFTS - RP******

Jason watched Winterwolf close the front door and come back into the room.

"It was just the paper being delivered." Winterwolf answered the Jason's unspoken question. "In the future we are going to need to be able to stop what we're doing and respond to potential threats."

Jason nodded. "I've been thinking. Maybe I could use a gun or something else in addition to the rings as backup."

"You'll have to talk to DPH about that." Winterwolf said. He added, "I don't think it will be all that helpful. Plus I don't have one to give you anyway. Let's work on your technique and you'll probably see that the rings will be all that you need."

"I was wonder about one other thing."

"Yes?" Winterwolf got the feeling that Jason had become accustomed to him.

"How do you pay for things? I mean where do you get your money? Does someone pay you?"

Winterwolf was uncomfortable with these questions but tried to disguise his discomfort answering, "Well I do what my lord asks of me. He told me to come here and help DPH. He pays me for my service." Winterwolf inwardly scolded himself for being so honest.

"Who is your lord? It all sounds very medieval if you ask me." Jason asked his curiosity was growing.

"There are things you are better off not knowing. You have stalled long enough. We need to resume our original training session." Training resumed.

Equus saw Winterwolf was unhappy with his answers. "Your answers are fine. When I chose you I chose well." He turned his attention elsewhere.

Equus watched in amusement as DC and Netlag were still working in silence on the tasks that NCA gave them.

******END BFTS - RP******

Niamhgold> While working on setting up my website I found out that niamhgold.com is available (as is .net and .org). I had spent an hour checking domain names. The ones I wanted were taken. :( To entertain myself I checked and you have your pick. :) I'm left with winterwolf.org I'm still thinking if I should take it or not. <just ask> Okay. I'd definitely like and value your input. ^_^

I'm off to send all the email I promised to send!

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:56:50 AM
IP: dialup-63.210.209.120.newyork1.level3.net

No entrance or witty comments today... I'm too tired. I was awakened at the ungodly hour of 8:00, after staying up until 3:00 last night...:P *Ignores mocking cries of "poor baby"* Anyways, I've been dragging all day, and bed is calling...
But first some replies.

SOROW><<Hi all. I had a huge slumber party at my house last night with 35 girls.>> o_O *Valentine's mind Boggles* How the... HECK did you manage to fit them all under one roof!?!

Delphi><<customer came in with this great T-shirt today it said "I've used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead!">> That's my motto today... I got about five hours of sleep last night, and I never really woke up. I've just kinda been dragging all day...

Mecord - Good points on religion, but a few counterpoints... <<People tend to belive what they want to believe even if it is contrary to proof or even common sense.>> This, unfortunately, is the truth. The goal, however, is to examine one's beliefs critically to determine whether they are worth following or not. Nothing is sadder than living a life around an obvious falsehood, and it could be argued that it is immoral to leave someone in their ignorance.
In other words, the Athiests should get out there immediatly and try to convert the Believers! If the believers are right, they'll be able to defend their beliefs, and if not, the Athiests are doing them a service by rescueing them from a lifetime of worthless effort.
<<At any rate, one way or the other, we are all eventually going to find out the truth. :)>> That's one way to look at it... :)

GB><<In this Century, most deaths can be layed at the feet of Jean Jaques Rosseau who inspired Hegel and Marx, than any religion can be blamed.>>What about Nietzche? I must admit that I haven't gotten to either Rosseau or Hegel in my studies, but I skipped ahead to the N-man out of curiousity... It seems to me that his philosophy more accdurately describes Hitler's methods and ideaology more than anything else could... <> Heh. I'll second that motion! << The disaster from Woodstock 99 may have ended some of that sixties nostalgia.>> Not for the participants... You shoulda heard 'em talk! Their only complaint was that they had to walk so far... <<Well, you could enlist and shoot guns, too :)>> Yes, well, that would mean I'd have to get in shape, start getting up at the crack of dawn, and get real good at following orders... None of which are gonna happen without at *least* a take-home M16A2...;)

Niamhgold><<I think it may have something to do with the extremely *high* level of chocolate in the mix...ever see the episode of the "Simpsons" when a french chef tries to assassinate Homer with a _really_ fattening chocolate eclair?>> ROFLMBA! :D I'd never heard of that, but it sounds about right... Death By Chocolate! :D

Janine><<So as a former Mormon(now Pagan again) I will not comment any further than I believe in the PTB.>> PTB?

SJ>Religious Comments - Right on! :D It's nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks like that... :) <<Scully's Babie's Father>> ROFL! :D

Warpmind><<And a B-person is one who loathes A-persons, who are the ones thar rise from bed cheerfully in the morning. Hate'em. ;)>> Ooo ya, that'd be me... :) <<As for the Christening-by-force; well, it *happened*, but I think it tended to be the exception rather than the rule... though, the Conquistadores did have a few such travesties on their record.>> that would be the understatement of the week...

Crzy><<You know me and my weakness for men with blue skin.>> You go for hypothermia victims? ;) <<Zelgadis is 1/3 human, 1/3 golem, and 1/3 demon. His great-grandfather/grandfather (yes he was both!)>> I sense a pattern forming here... o_O <<Turned him into that as an answer for Zel's want for power. So those are little rocks on his face.>> Ah. I thought he was just deseased or something... <<He has them all over.>> Not gonna touch that one... :) <<Gargoyles Party Plane>> ROFL! :D But the question is, will you imitate stone sleep during the day? *Trys to imagine Greg and Thom carrying a totally rigid Crzy off the plane, and busts up again* :D Man, I wish I could be there... :)

Rodlox><<on breathing: yes, grendels do have to breathe...but we're like whales: we metabolize 90+% of the air we breathe, rather than the pitiful %age for human lungs...allowing us to remain under longer...that and we can control our own metabolisms.>> Even nicer! So, do Grendels have any weaknesses at all?

And now for the part you've all been dreading!

****************REALLY LONG RELIGION REPLY******************

Shadowrider - Agh! So much to comment on, and so little time!! ;O It's like trying to eat a smorgasboard in five minutes... <<The point is that religion is a powerful instrument to manipolate people.>> Do you mean that the core beliefs manipulate, or the human religious leaders manipulate? I assume the latter.
So, what if the religion has no human religious leader? The church I belong to has a preacher, but all members are subject to the teachings of the bible. Thus, there is no way other than logical persuasion to use the church for manipulation.
Also, even if the Catholic Church is wrong, does that mean all christianity takes a blow? The issues you are citing are the same issues that have caused dozens of groups to break away from the Catholic Church, for better or worse. Is it right to condemn these groups for actions that they opposed?
<<If the Pope will go in St. Peter and say: "We have not the only Truth! There are other Truths in this world", then I'll consider IT a real change...>> But would it be true? I think this arguement is occuring in the wrong order; It would be better to determine whether Truth, Morality, and God exist at *ALL*, before argueing about what form their following should take... But it seems that you already have an oppinion about the first. :)
So, do you think that there are multiple truths? If so, does this mean that there is no common Morality? And if there isn't a common morality, what right do we have to condemn any action at all? <<Good to me, I always enjoy a good discussion.>> Excellent! *looks at the post* 'Mano, when you discuss, you *DISCUSS*! :D So much the better! <> True. We seem to be doing farely well so far... <> I really should have replied to this post before your second one... Sorry about that. As I mentioned earlier, not all Christian churches are as prone to abuses of power, and I don't believe that a centralized power is nescessary to following our Lord's commands... <<What I want to analyze is the Church's (not only Catholic but also Protestant) actions and position.>> I know very little about Catholic history, unfortunately. I'll leave this part up to people who know what they're talking about... <<Now, after two millenniums of atrocities, how can the Catholic church still pretend to be a moral authority?>> Maybe not, but what does it take to absolve yourself of your predescessor's crimes? If the people who commited those crimes are gone, and their replacements truly wish to make ammends, it seems that the best way would be to admit in full the wrongs that were commited, ask forgiveness from the wronged, and offer restitution and aid. What else can they do?
I heard that the Pope offered an appology, but that's the limit of my knowledge. It does seem wrong, though, to condemn him for something he's fought against...
Also, remember that the Catholic Church is not the only voice of Christianity. They may be the most visible, but that doesn't mean they're the voice of all Christendom.
<<Anyway, remember a simple thing: the Bible and the Gospel have been written not by God and Jesus directly, but by people pretending to be inspired by them>> Hoo, but that's a big can of worms right there! :) How do we know that the Bible's human authors only "pretended" to be inspired by God? <<and, while reading those books, I often suspected that a lot of those people were very good in "interpretating" the word of God (supposing Him to exist, what I'm not sure) according to their own beliefs...>> How so? I've always thought that the Bible had excellent internal consistency...
Anyway, this arguement actually traces back to whether one can rely on the endorsement of Jesus.
Despite what some might think, Jesus's life and death are historical facts. It's *AFTER* the cross that confusion sets in. Did he really rise from the dead? Well, the evidence was good enough to convince his followers to spend the rest of their lives preaching his word in the face of horrible persecution. If he never rose, why would they waste the rest of their lives promoting a lie that brought them nothing but pain? Why didn't any of them renounce their beliefs? If they had, wouldn't the Romans or the Judiean leaders have used their confession as a hammer to crack the dissidents? Why don't we have recordings in the (secular) historical accounts of such an occurance? If the Apostles did distort Jesus' teachings, they would have had to agree on a 'party line', as I don't think there are any inconsistencies in the various accounts of Jesus' teachings. If they believed in Jesus firmly enough to live and die for him, why would they alter his teachings? And if they didn't, why were they so commited?
What was there to gain from such a life, if their message was false? Money? Wine, women and song? If so, why were the scandals not recorded by their enemies?
Whew! *Looks at the preceding post, and grimaces* Well, I think I used up my question mark quota for the day... :) *moves down the post a bit more* Nope, here come some more... :P Please be patient. <<So, why do I know a lot of religious people (friars, nuns, even priests) who would never even raise a finger to help anyone, and a lot of non-religious people who instead make everything they can to be of help?>> For the first half of the question, why should any group be immune to idiots and hypocrites? If the church were a haven from them, everyone would be a believer!:) But if someone ignores their teacher, is it the teacher's fault? Do you think that the hypocrites are in the majority in the Church, and the minority elsewhere? It certianly isn't true in my church...
<<Mother Theresa's actions are due mainly to her strong will and her values, values she had already in her, because values as far as I'm concerned cannot be taught, but only learnt.>> If they are learned, then by definition SOMEONE must have taught them... So do we all have value systems installed in our minds from birth, or do we learn them later? I vote for the second option, just by watching how much fun mothers have teaching their children what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. I'm also pretty sure that my parents gave *me* some values, by instilling negative association when I was too young to understand morality, and by reinforcing and rationalizing that negative association with the novel concepts of Right and Wrong as I grew old enough to understand them. I know very little about Teresa's life, but it seems wrong to deny a connection between her beliefs and her actions... Also, how can the Catholic Church steal honor from her when she is a PART of the Church?

*****************END REALLY, REALLY LONG REPLY**************

Well shadow, you managed to monopolize my post... ;) I hope I made a small amount of sense, as It's past my beddy-by and I'm already pretty tired... <<Valentine:> (again) Well, I'll leave in 21 of June, my service will last twelve months, day more day less, so I'm supposed to return in the end of June 2001...anyway, it is not that I'll totally disappear...I'll be at home under licence for one-two days every three weeks or so, so I'll peek in here sometimes...>> I'm looking forward to your return. The room won't be the same without you... :(

*glances at his watch* 'Kay. It's 11:11, I'm wasted, and I'm going to bed. See y'all later, and don't drink from under the sink...:)

And I call across the waves / If I don't come home tonight,
I will make it home someday...

| -Paul Gross, "Robert McKenzie"
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:13:03 AM
IP: nas-48-191.dallas.navipath.net

Christine: my entries for Avalon Mists are coming...they should be finalized {betad, etc} by noon tomorow - i hope.

Kit: <<appreciate it, Rodlox, if you could point me towards the site where you found that Brimstone/TBAA crossover. That's one story I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy. ;) >>
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Network/3610/
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Network/3610/brimfanfic.html {it's in here: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Network/3610/Touched.html }.

and Kit?...the scary thing is - i really do resemble Zeke Stone! {just no scarring}.

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:04:01 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

david G>> thanks got your email, sent you a reply
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:03:25 AM
IP: twin6135.magiclink.com

**RP ALERT**

In the Onslaught's trailer, Leah stares at Tom confusedly as he goes into detail about why Thailog is evil. "The guy uses people," he begins. "For his own ends. He doesn't care about anyone else's feelings, and enjoys psychologically tormenting others with schemes to increase his own power, eliminating them when they are no longer useful to him or when he can gain more from their deaths than their lives. Thailog's created clones just as cannon fodder for his plans, willing subjects for himself. He also manipulates others with lies, so he can take advantage of their strengths. He's done that with your General Zale, and by extension you." Leah frowns, seeing the conviction in his voice. "I'm not sure I believe you." "You don't have to," Tom replies, turning away. "I have evidence to prove I'm right, though. The others can vouch for this view too, we've all seen what Thailog really is. I don't know if you have." "He's seemed like a good person whenever I've met him before," Leah says, still frowning. "He's a very good actor," Tom shoots back. "Think about that. Also, think about what he does, and the kind of people he's allied himself with in the past, like that corrupt government jerk Kincaid, or Guod's Borg, or how about the evil fay Dahak? You know he's bad news." He sighs and starts walking off. "Just think about it. I'll be right back, gonna go see how long before we reach Area 51." Leah frowns as she watches him walk off, then sits down and ponders what he said. "You don't believe that line of bull he just fed you, right?" Mansfield stops playing possum, looks up at her, and asks. Leah sighs and grimaces. "I don't think he was lying to me, Bobby." "Well, you know what he said can't be true," the other prisoner counters. "We've met Thailog, the General trusts him. We trust the General. Maybe these Ravens are the ones who've been deceived." "Maybe," Leah shrugs, turning away. "I don't know." Mansfield grimaces and then shrugs, indicating she can believe whatever she wants. He then lies down and tries to assume his false sleep posture again before Tom returns.

The screen changes to the airport customs room in Ankara, where the door has just been blown off its hinges by a blast from a shotgun. Its wielder, a swarthy bearded Arab who looks like the stereotypical Muslim terrorist, rushes into the room followed by two men of similar appearance, who both have assault rifles. The two customs officials gasp, while Gubio and Erin quickly flip the desk over and dive for cover behind it. Mist hisses at the terrorists and is ignored as they bring up their weapons and fire at the startled customs men. Both go down under the streams of bullets, one killed and the other heavily wounded. "You two behind the desk!" the shotgun-wielder yells. "You will surrender and come with us, now!" "Fat chance," Gubio growls, pulling his pistol out of its hidden holster. He and Erin nod at each other as she draws her assault rifle and then both leap up and fire, killing the three terrorists with their bursts as they dive to avoid the returning shots. "My God!" the surviving customs man gasps from the floor. "How did you�" "We had a magical spell cast on us to circumvent metal detectors before we left America," Erin answers, getting a confused frown. "Never mind, just trust us. We're here to help." She crouches by his side and applies first aid while Gubio releases Mist from her kitty carrier and watches the door. The customs man gasps and faints as Mist assumes her humanoid form and draws her own weapon. "Don't worry," Erin tells him. "When you wake up, this nightmare will be over." She stands up, grabs her bag, and then tosses Gubio his. "Worried?" she asks, seeing the look on his face. "Don't be, these men are obviously amateurs." Gubio nods. "I hope all of them are," he says. "By the way, do you have any idea why they wanted to take us as hostages?" "You're an American, they can get a lot of money for you," she answers. "Given my hair, they probably thought I was too." She sighs and ties her chador around her face. "There, now they'll be caught off guard by at least one of us." Mist meows. "Correction, two." Gubio nods and smiles. "I wonder who these guys are," he then says, stepping out into the airport corridor as more gunfire echoes from it. "Does it matter?" Erin replies with a shrug as she and Mist follow. "Let's find and take care of them all before they cause more trouble than they have already. If we need to find out who they are, I'm sure it will become clear." Gubio grimaces, but nods in agreement, then lets her lead the way down the corridor towards the gunfire as the screen goes blank.

**END FIRST BIT OF THIS POST'S RP**

Hello everyone. Good to once again see you all and read your words. It's been a while since I could do that, having to be away and all. Hopefully such a situation won't happen again for a while yet. :) My family is doing fine, if anyone's wondering. Got to meet my little niece Julia for the first time and hold her hand, she's one cute baby. :) Ray and his wife Anne dote on her a lot, hope they don't spoil her too much when she gets older. That could lead to all kinds of problems. They shouldn't, though, I trust them. Good thing her grandparents already know not to spoil a kid more than necessary thanks to their own experiences with Ray, Stephanie, and me. :) It was good seeing them all, but it's even better to be back here with all of you. Good to see that most of us have finished our finals now, congrats to all who have. Hope you get back good grades, or at least decent ones like Doug and I got back. :)

Mecord: Thanks to you and everyone else who gave welcome backs. ;) $ Have also liked your developments in the RP recently, hope you keep doing good work in them. Just be a bit careful you don't disrupt others' plans. :) (IE- Please don't kill Thailog or blow up the Avatar before we're ready and settle things with our character still on board for good, okay? :)$

Gasper, Rodlox: $ Glad you two are thinking about getting into the RP, hope you are able to and enjoy it once you're in. Sorry if I've ignored your bits in the past, I assure you it's been naught but an unfortunate mistake. :( Thanks for your e-mails and the details about your characters, they're quite interesting. I look forward to seeing and interacting with them soon in the RP. And Spacebabie, if you want to join too, you are of course quite welcome to do so. :)$

A-Kon Update: Well, it's now a week away, and I'm sorry to say it doesn't look like Doug and I are going. Lack of transportation prevents many good things, as do other important engagements and lack of funds. Sorry we won't get to see everyone who is going, hope y'all enjoy the convention. Will miss you, of course. :(

Shadowrider: Thanks to you and everyone else for their encouragement about the recent trip. It was indeed a lot of fun, and we enjoyed it. It's good to be back, though. :) Yes, you may uncross your fingers now. :) Thanks for keeping them crossed as long as you did.

**SPOILERS AHEAD FOR MANY THINGS**

Timedancer: Great emotion in the writing on Nor Iron Bars a Cage. I enjoyed all the plot and character developments in it done on Brooklyn and Pandora, his reactions to her and her new life were quite well-written, as was the ep's plot. Payne's development in the ep was good too, although his getting to know and trust Loki could have been more developed and detailed before it happened. Brooklyn and Pandora's dealing with their feelings for each other now that Sata's entered the picture should have been detailed too. The possible romance between them should also have been dealt with more, and better resolved. The ep was well-written and interesting as it was, but plot holes are never a good thing to have in a story. Especially when they are as important to the development of the characters involved as they were here. :( Still, good dialogue, illustration, and storyline. The plot and character developments were also good, if somewhat surprising and not as detailed or built up to as they should have been. Liked the end especially. 6.9/10, thumbs up.

Fire and Ice: Good job on this ep, TGS Staff. I liked it better than Nor Iron Bars, it was a good story with excellent plot and character developments for Payne that could have used a little more buildup but were nice how they were. Brooklyn was also developed well in this story, but should have had more detail in his reaction to Payne's new powers and the place where he was. Pompeii was portrayed very well as a doomed city, better than Nagasaki IMO, with somewhat intresting characters inhabiting it. Hope Celer gets more development if he's going to stay around, he's interesting but stereotypical so far. Also liked the illustration in this story, as well as the dialogue. If there had been more developments and buildup to it, it would have been perfect. As it was, 7.8/10, thumbs up.

X-Files: Great developments on Scully and Skinner this week, as well as the aliens and Krycek. This week's season finale had a good plot as well, and a haunting final performance by CancerMan. Sorry to see him go, but at least he went out with good developments. :) Mulder didn't as much, but it was good to see him getting in trouble for acting the way he does with both the aliens and the government (about time this happened :). Hope he gets developed well during his time with the aliens and they don't confuse us too much over what happened to him and its effects on him when he comes back as he eventually must. :) Also hope that next season of X-Files will contain as many intriguing developments and surprises as this episode did, it certainly promises more than a few.

Buffy: Good season finale this week, I liked the repurcussion effect of Buffy's enhancement last episode very much, and the Cavegirl Slayer worked well as an obsessed spirit with its own idea of what Buffy's life should be like. I can't help but wonder if Joss is done with her yet, and hope he isn't. Many interesting stories and developments could be ahead for both its character and Buffy's if the First Slayer comes back, particularly if she encounters and allies with another evil and potentially vengeful First (from Season 3). The dreams and adjoining character developments in this ep were good too, particularly liked how each character's fears and emotions were explored. All of them were well-written and made the viewer think, Willow's and Giles's especially. There were also many hilarious moments in them, especially in Giles's dream and Xander's. I really enjoyed that the moments were well-written enough to develop the characters and how they see each other as well as provide laughs (wonder if Riley will ever find out about that scene where Buffy envisioned him and Adam building a pillow fort :), or if Oz will ever learn his unfortunate role in Willow's dream :(the dream was good except for that part, hope she can learn sometime in the future that not all men are poopheads who bring problems into people's lives. Willow's arriving at this view was well-developed and has much evidence for it, but I still don't like it). Also liked the dialogue in this ep, and the emotional interplay. Hope it can all be just as well-written and good to watch next season when Buffy comes back. This ep didn't resolve the subplots of this season like I'd hoped, but it did do a good job of bringing them forth again and exploring those involved. Hope to see some more development and resolution next season, look forward to it when it comes. :)

Angel: Excellent season finale here, the best ep all season. It developed all the characters well, and should have a lasting effect on every one of them. Liked what was done with Cordelia most, hope she will be less selfish all the time now that she's seen so much of the pain people can go through. Wesley was also developed and showcased well as he tried to help his friends and uncover the meaning of the scroll. And Angel was of course also very well-developed, in his relationships to the people he knows, to his quest to help others, and to the world. Good to know there will be a good end to it all if he succeeds in his destiny. Liked Kate's development as well, hope to one day see her reaction to what Angel said to her in this episode. And the scene with Gunn was very entertaining too, I'm really hoping he comes back next season to do a lot more. Lindsay's development in this ep was disappointing, as he could have made an intriguing anti-hero character, but still good. Hope he continues to learn that power is often not worth the price of admission and turn away from it. :) Also liked the development on Wolfram and Hart and their relationship with the menacing Warrior of Hell (he was a cool character too, while he lasted. Very devious and intriguing. Too bad he couldn't have stuck around to threaten Angel more). Bringing Darla back was quite a startling development, I look forward to seeing what Joss is planning to do with it next season. And of course I hope next season will be very interesting and cool, like this one was only more so. :) May the good work be kept up. <grin>

Niamhgold: Great job on your latest fanfic, I think it was very worth all the time it took. Excellent job on the dialogue, plot, and especially the character development. Liked Ferdinand's interaction with the clan a lot, and that with Demona, Chavez and her reaction to Elisa and Isa's involvement with gargoyles were also written and developed well. Also liked the bits with the mutates and the development of the Andronicus family that was placed alongside them. Hope to see future developments of those characters soon, I am very much looking forward to them. Great emotion throughout this story, and good job on putting meaning and foreshadowing into the developments and words. Hope your next fic comes out soon, and is equally enjoyable and good. (BTW, your skill and style's on par with Doug's IMO, at least equal to his if not better. Hope you'll believe this from me if not from him. :)

**SPOILERS ARE OVER**

SJ: Thanks for keeping us updated on your father, it's good that he's doing better and didn't have cancer after all. Hope his condition continues to improve as the medical problems are resolved one by one. :) Thanks also for all the entertainment info, I don't know if I'm looking forward to all those Marvel films except for Blade 2 and Spiderman. Am looking forward to the Batman Beyond movie, though, it sounds great. :) I too hope that X-Files is better next season than it was this season, like I said above. I too was not thrilled at first when I heard it was renewed, but after seeing Sunday's episode, I think if they can keep continuity and do better writing than they did this season, maybe it will be a good thing. Just hope that, like you said, they do something special. At least, something more than they have already. :) Good question about humans getting transformed into gargoyles as well. I'd give the same answer to it you did, if only so many male gargs weren't such attractive and interesting people. <shrugs> I guess, to answer your question, I'd probably keep an open mind about my ideal mate and be happy with whoever it was. :) $ Liked the RP in your last post, btw. Congrats on your triumphant return, hope the quality of writing keeps up. <grin>$

Lexy: Sorry you have to sell all that stuff, I am sure it took you quite a lot of work, time, and money to amass it all. Also sorry I'm not interested in buying any of it, I wish you good luck in finding some people who are. And with your financial troubles as they hopefully continue to be defeated via the measures you take. :)

Kaioto: Welcome back. Thanks for your excellent comments on religion and enlightenment. I agree with them, especially the part about disbelieving anyone who says they have a "so many step path to moral perfection." They ignore that all people are different, and thus are very wrong. Good to know I'm not the only one who knows this. :)

Niamhgold, Spacebabie, Robby: Congrats to all three of you on your graduations from high school. Hope you enjoy your expanded free time while it lasts. :) And of course use it to good advantage. Also hope you enjoy college life or whatever stage is ahead for you next when it begins. (Same to anybody else who's graduated that I've missed.)

Christine: Hope Doug finishes GURPS Villains soon, so I can read it myself and enjoy your entries. :) (Don't worry, from what I've seen, it looks great!) Also looking forward to Lylth and Gathering Quest when you get them done. I wish you continued good luck on your stories and books.

SOROW: Glad your attendance and good grades paid off so well, congrats once again on being exempt from all your finals. Congrats also on getting your problems with Joe sorted out, hope that a good relationship continues between the two of you. And glad that you also survived and enjoyed your first time rock climbing, I too have liked that activity the few times I've done it in the past. Hope to do it again someday and experience the same reaction. :) And about that slumber party, did you really have 35 girls over? Your parents must be one tolerant, confident, and understanding pair of individuals to have been able to deal with all that and have a good result (or any result that didn't end with the house getting trashed beyond recognition or lots of insane emotional trouble :). Same goes for you, of course. Congrats on pulling such a party off and surviving it. Hope you were able to make and retain many friends.

Mary Flanders: <Sisters can be a pain in the butt sometimes.> That is a big understatement, especially when you're talking about my sister. :) Of course it applies to parents too, especially the type who assume they have your whole life planned out and it will turn out good no matter what. That's always a delusion. <sighs> Good luck dealing with yours in the trials that lie ahead, as well as the trials themselves and your sister. :)

Heather: Welcome back, friend. Can't believe you think we wouldn't miss you or notice your return. We missed you very much. :) Good to see you again, hope your finals are done by now and you did well on them. Please know that I and probably everyone else in here as well has and will always thought of you as a good friend and person they care about. Hope you will see that and enjoy this place for it more now that you're back. :)

Mandi: Good luck with your campaign to bring back Now & Again�.Check that, I should say our campaign as Doug and I have contributed. :) Mailed our letters to CBS today, hope they are received and acknowledged. May they have good effect. :)

Daniel Johnson: Happy Belated Birthday and good luck getting over your depression. <wheels in large cyber-cake and cyber-presents, hoping they'll help> At the very least, you can be glad for the intelligence and wisdom your posts in here generally display, as well as your ability to be a good friend to lots of people (and the many good friends you've earned by being so :).

Brimstone: I was a fan of this show too, it had great characters and emotional development, especially in Stone's relationships with the various escaped souls and with his wife. I was very angry when Fox canceled it and hope it will be picked up by some other station someday. :) I would also appreciate it, Rodlox, if you could point me towards the site where you found that Brimstone/TBAA crossover. That's one story I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy. ;)

Kyryn, Jenna: Congrats on your new jobs. Hope you enjoy and benefit much from them. It's always good to have work, but even better if it's the kind that brings deserved rewards. :)

Jannie: Thanks for filling in your principal's history, can't say I like how her good past has made her develop into such an idiotic jerk in the present. :( Hope more people will continue judging her by her present actions instead of her past and she will one day be forced to realize what she has become. <grins, imagining the effects>

Welcome to Janine, S, and all other newcomers! Hope y'all enjoy this place (and don't mind losing your sanity from repeated exposure :).

Green Baron: Welcome back, congrats on the Army position. Good luck getting ready for it and eking good rewards out of it. I will be praying that you also get good skills for life out of the military and don't suffer the Pyle Syndrome. :) (Like Christine, I too am smiling at the vision of you in uniform. :) Good to know that wanting to be in the military hasn't tainted your political views so far, and that Doug and I aren't the only CR dwellers rooting for Lazio. :) Hope you get many chances to come in here and spend time with us before, during, and after your trials ahead and use them well. I look forward to reading any and all posts you place before us.

Jenna: Congrats on the job like I said above, glad you're enjoying it. Congrats to your husband on his new job as well, hope he enjoys it and it helps you make the Gathering (even if Doug and I can't go, it's nice to know that friends of ours can :). Good to know I'm not the only CR dweller who enjoys Lady Pendragon, it does indeed have excellent writing and characters. Art too. May it all stay good till the storyline ends. :)

I guess that's all for now. Good to be back, and caught up. :) (Good to have our e-mail problems fixed too by the way, the address below can now be used once more. :) Will see you all again soon, until then hope you all have good and happy lives. Later!

**RP RESUMPTION**

"I just wish I could remember more," Doug is saying to Kit as the screen comes back on displaying the Ravens once again. "I keep getting the feeling I'm supposed to know what's going on, and then I can't think of what is. It drives me crazy." Kit nods. "I know. But don't worry, you're going to be fine. We're helping you." "Yeah," Doug replies. "I appreciate that. There is one thing that's making me puzzled about you, though." "Really?" Kit's eyes involuntarily widen. "What?" "Well, back in the mountain pass, you seemed able to kill in cold blood." Doug sighs as he says this. "Forgive me, but I didn't like seeing that." "It was necessary, Doug," Kit replies. "Those guys were trying to kill us." He nods, but still frowns. "Look," Kit says, "none of us like killing people, but we have to do it. We're in a war here, and fighting war means casualties. It's not like the enemy haven't killed a lot of us, either." "Really?" "Yeah, really. These guys are trying to take over the world and subjugate it. They're evil. Trust me on that. You do trust me, right?" "Yeah," Doug nods as she looks at him. "I do." "Good," Kit nods, smiling, then turns as Orion walks over to them. "What's up?" "I thought you might want to know we'll be at Area 51 in about an hour," the cleric replies. "That's Jammer's estimate anyway. He says the temporary repairs he did on the truck back in the pass should get us there, when we arrive we can have it fixed more. Also, Shap called. He and Shauna are in Atlanta, and they've gotten themselves temporary jobs at the Time-Warner building as a janitor and secretary so they can spy on Ted Turner." "Good," Kit grins. "I hope they'll call and us if something turns up." Orion nods that he does too. Doug then frowns and asks what they're talking about, prompting Kit to turn back to him and explain. "I hope we can find out what's going on in Atlanta and stop it," he nods as she finishes. Kit nods in agreement, then stands up. "Come on," she says to Doug and Orion, "let's see if we can get some food before we arrive." They both nod and follow her towards the trailer's fridge.

The screen display changes once again, to show Jerec and Ted Turner walking down a hallway. "That's some plan you just described to me," the demon-possessed communications magnate is saying with a smile. "I'll take your word for it that it will work." "Thailog thought it a good plan as well when I described it to him," the Dark Jedi replies. "Enough that he's freed me from my other duties for him to carry it out. I too strongly believe that it will succeed." "Well, then you better get to it, hadn't you?" Turner says, and Jerec nods in agreement. "Good luck, my friend. These Ravens don't sound like they'll be much of a danger to my plans or Lord Gothmenes', but if they are�" "They will be," Jerec interrupts him with a grimace. "I have seen them operate, they have thwarted plans of your lord many times. They may soon be coming after you. I only came to warn you of them because of my debt to Gothmenes for his aid in my resurrection. And because the enemy of my enemy is my friend." "Yes indeed," Turner smiles. "I hope we will continue to be friends, Darth Jerec. Good luck with your plan, and I will see you again soon." Jerec nods and then vanishes through a Force-created portal while Turner turns and walks into a nearby room full of monitors showing Asil's cell in his prison. He chuckles as he sits down and watches her finding it impossible to climb the smooth metal walls. "Still trying to escape, I see," he says into a microphone, causing Asil to look up at him and glare. "You'll always fail, might as well give up. The only way out of there is to accept my offer." "Never!" Asil yells, and Turner shrugs. "Have it your way then." He then presses a button beside him and starts to pipe into the cell a continuous loop of bad romance songs, beginning with the only hit by Devinyls. As Asil covers her ears and vents her anger with roars in attempt to drown it out, Turner laughs once again and begins to sing along in a horrible baritone. As many CR dwellers grimace in revulsion at the image, the screen mercifully goes blank.

**END RP**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:31:54 PM
IP: pool-207-205-148-49.dlls.grid.net

Mara Cordova - Zelgabunny ::snickers:: cute. Zelgadis is the reason I started watching Slayers. You know me and my weakness for men with blue skin.

For a guy who has a complex about his looks, Zelgadis has TONS of admirers... including us... :sigh, gooey eyes::

O.o As for Akio, you can bet he is in the works >:) I want to do a pic of him and Dios back to back.

Yummy. I bought ep 14-17 and 18- 21(?) today, becuase my store was out of 1-13 and have been watching Black Rose Duelists all day. Wonderful show.

I love the Apocalpse song that plays while Utena makes her way up the the UpsideDown Castle, and ofcourrse the shadow players!

But Akio...

::sigh::

MMmMM Akio...

Mara Shinigami Cordova
Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:18:41 PM
IP: spider-tm063.proxy.aol.com

One more day to send in written submissions for Avalon Mists! Still could use a Character Spotlight, if anyone's got one handy!

Doug > ??? You saw it? GURPS Villains? Sheesh ... contributors were supposed to get sent their comp copies as soon as it was out ... needless to say, I didn't even know it had shipped yet! I hope it looks okay!

Gunjack > yep, it's true; I've also got a few playtesting credits with them and will have an article in an upcoming issue of Pyramid.

Jenna > ah, the power! Sweet, sweet power! Woo! ; ) Congrats on the job; it's a good thing I have never been in a post with any sort of authority over fellow staff because I'd probably be just eeeevil ...

Green Baron > ::blink blink:: You're joining the what? Wow, how'd I miss that? I hope it goes well and you don't resort to contemplating shooting your own foot just to get the hell out of there like another friend of mine! ::envisions GB in a uniform:: As if the man wasn't enough of a dish already!

Dinosaur > saw it today. Bleah. Wretched movie. Totally predictable, uninspiring, cloying. The only way it could have gotten more Disney-formula was if the Carol Hathaway character was rebelling against a stern _father_ instead of a brother. Or if there had been singing. Thank goodness there wasn't singing; I would have been ill. While some of the effects were impressive, overall I much preferred Walking With Dinosaurs or the Jurassic Park movies; these guys seemed to have no weight, no solidity. The characters were cookie-cutters and I was unable to give a darn about a single one of them. I was appalled by their treatment of the predators, too (even before the overly-predictable fall-from-a-high-place in which they even had the _rocks_ break so Our Hero didn't have to get his thumb-spikes dirty). Basically, this was the closest they're ever going to get to a live-action Land Before Time. I'm sure the lemur courtship ritual will be a central part of the eventual stage show at Disneyworld. But the Mouse isn't getting more of my money over this one. No video, no merchandise, nuttin'. The kindest thing I can say is that at least it wasn't as bad as Quest for Camelot, and I'd rather sit through Dinosaur again than be forced to view the Rocky and Bullwinkle movie. :P

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 10:52:17 PM
IP: 14-078.009.popsite.net

Hi all. I had a huge slumber party at my house last night with 35 girls. It was absolutely crazy and I just got up from my six hour recovery nap. Things have been going kinda slow now, so I'll just bask in the beauty of silence.
SOROW
Saturday, May 27, 2000 08:36:37 PM
IP: dll2a010-0364.splitrock.net

Hi all, I had a great day at work today, I really love being able to help people find the right plants for them. It was fun, I really don't get to just wait on customers like I used to when I was just a peon, so it is fun when I can set aside all my other duties and do just that.

A customer came in with this great T-shirt today it said "I've used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead!" boy have there been a few days when I wanted to call in here of late. Alas, but tis never good when I call in during the garden shop season.

Here's a cute story my sis sent me:

A little boy was in a relative's wedding. As he was coming down the aisle, he would take two steps, stop, and turn to the crowd. While facing the crowd, he would put his hands up like claws and roar. So it went, step, step, ROAR, step, step, ROAR, all the way down the aisle.

As you can imagine, the crowd was near tears from laughing so hard by the time he reached the pulpit.

The little boy, however, was getting more and more distressed from all the laughing, and was also near tears by the time he reached the pulpit.

When asked what he was doing, the child sniffed and said, "I was being the Ring Bear."

David G>>how's that next chptr? let me know what's up :) thanks
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Saturday, May 27, 2000 07:36:33 PM
IP: twin58r.magiclink.com

HA HA!!! That's the first post that size that's worked all week. Sorry for the double post, but I just had to rejoice. :)
Mecord
Saturday, May 27, 2000 07:26:40 PM
IP: usr46.mtwest.net

**Mecord enters with grass clinging to his shins and his face, neck, and arms sunburned.**

It's nice to have a bit of sunny weather to work in the yard. Next weekend I'm going to Vernal, Utah to visit my grandparents, cusins, soon-to-be in-laws, uncles, aunts, old friends, and just about everyone else we've ever known or haven't met yet for three counties. That's just the way this family works. :)

Doug and Kit>> Welcome back!

Winterwolf>> BTW thanks for the moral support while I was trying to get back on-line.

Religion>> Normally I wouldn't say anything on this subject. Touchy subject usually, like Janine's uncle and step-father, debates can go on forever, end in heated arguement, and niether side gaining any ground. I have however liked the comments on the seperation between church and state. I would like to say to the people who like proof to just keep in mind that no religion can be prooved 100% to the satisfaction of everyone. People tend to belive what they want to believe even if it is contrary to proof or even common sense. As for me, I believe I have truth and I'll gladly discuss it with anyone (outside of the CR of course), but I've met plenty of people who think I'm going to hell because of my beliefs. I don't mean any offense to anyone, I'm just saying try to keep an open mind. At any rate, one way or the other, we are all eventually going to find out the truth. :)

*****RP*****
Mecord pocketed the mastergem, "I can help you ShadowWolf, I happen to know some about personality changes."
ShadowWolf snarled, "You and that mind altering gem? No thanks."
"Besides," came a voice from the shadows, "We like him just the way he is."
Mecord peered in the shadows to see wings emerge, "Who are you, and what is this about?"

In Atlanta.
"We have to find where they took Mec," Senthet stated.
Warpmind seemed relaxed, "Don't wory, I've got it covered."

On the Avatar.
"Did you get the explosives?" Lithanne called as she and Thicarrn ran from a company of demons.
"Yes but we need to set them off four levels down."
"Follow my lead."
Lithann planted a dagger into the floor as they ran. Just as the demons reached it, the blade exploded, flooding the corridor with smoke. The two elves turned and dove back into the smoke, taking shelter in a small alcove. Lithanne held a confiscated breath mask and they took turns breathing. A demon strayed into the alcove and Thicarrn grabbed it while Lithanne stabbed an enchanted dagger through its throat. When the last demon passed, they removed a grate low in the wall and slid down the chute it presented.
*****END RP*****
Mecord - [mecordlein@mailcity.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 07:21:31 PM
IP: usr46.mtwest.net

Green Baron:> I was waiting for you to show...<grins> If I will ever need to bait you, I know what to use...;)
Actually, the point of my comment about religion was not the Inquisition itself, or the Hitler topic, or the Crusades ...rather all those things together. The point is that religion is a powerful instrument to manipolate people. But the Church is led by persons, persons who are as unperfect as we are. No person can be allowed to own such a power as the Religion's one. Actually, I even don't bother here about the question if any God exist. I personally think that we humans have built our deities in our own image. About your post anyway...You say that for Church's crimes are to be blamed only those persons who committed those crimes, while for the good actions the Church as a whole has to be praised? Now it seems to me a selective method of judgement. About what you say of Marxism, and of Cromwell...I'm not going to comment, it is not the topic in question: if I killed a person, the fact that my neighbour killed two doesn't make me innocent. Sorry, but I can't imagine any "good" reason for making Nazist criminals escape justice. Actually, were the orders to grant asylum, without any support by the Vatican. The Vatican, instead, abandoned in the hands of the SS those relgious who were caught in hiding refugees. I have to disagree about the Inquisition: Greorius IX not only supported, but eventually encouraged the Inquisition and officially recommended to the Inquisitors to use the torture in order to obtain confessions, and to condemn to death even if doubt subsisted. The current Pope? For sure he has a great sense of show, but it seems not to me that he is working to "heal past wounds": actually, seems to me he's accurately preparing ground for his own santification (just see the recent mess about the so-called "Third Secret"...strangely enough, even I now am able to predict an attack against the Pope in 1981...), a santification that would mean a re-affirmation of the supremacy of Roman Church...what could have very bad consequences. I repeat, the self-absolution the Church is putting in act seems to me too belated and too little. The atrocities that Church committed, or that were committed by others with the Church's praise, are so many and of such nature that you can't simply apologize for them and pretending it is all right...but a deeper analysis of the pst mistakes would take to the conclusion that Church does not deserve to be a moral authority, and that it has really no more reason to exist...so, go on with apologies, at least apologising is cheap and shuts conscience. For sure they didn't manage to convince me to return to the Faith...rather the opposite. If the Pope will go in St. Peter and say: "We have not the only Truth! There are other Truths in this world", then I'll consider IT a real change...but I think it will not happen.
Be aware of what you say to me about Rousseau: actually, I consider Enlightenment a very positive period...
About my military service...I've been assigned to an Armored Cavalry division, and I'll be trained for Anti-aircraft artillery. Because of I have a degree and a technical preparation, it is very probable that after Basic Training they'll send me to Advanced Training for the Hawk SAM system. After the Advanced Training, I will probably advance to caporal before being definitively assigned for the rest of my service. It is quite unprobable that I'll advance more, except if I'll decide to join permanently the Army...what I'll decide during the service. The pay? <grins> For draft soldiers is not much...equivalent of 200$ a month for soldiers. If I'll advance to Caporal, it will increase to about 300$, special indennities excluded.

Sevarius Jr.:> "Who is Scully's baby father?" I would probably bet 10$ on Mulder. If I lose, well, I can afford it...and if I win, I win very big bucks!

Patrick Toman:> Thank you for wishing me god luck.

Spacebabie:> Hey, thank you for the Dinobots names! I knew just the Italian names...on which I'll deploy a pitiful veil. The Dinobots were my preferred ones between good ones as well, while for bad guys...Insecticons, for sure.

Nothing more tonight.

Ciao!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, May 27, 2000 07:03:28 PM
IP: h213-20-78.mi2.albacom.net

I've got to admit, it's a little surprising to see the word "Pax" being introduced into a Gargoyles comment room so often without people going into shock over it. Maybe the memory that "Goliath Chronicles" episode is finally decayed enough that we no longer feel bothered by that particular word. (Or maybe it's the absence of an "E--n" next to it :)

AIRWALKER - Thanks for the "Fire and Ice" comments; I particularly found your remark on how the Olympian gods were already fading out of people's beliefs by the time of Pompeii's destruction interesting and historically accurate. (One little "classical god-related" comment of my own about this story; I was a little bothered at first over the mention of Apollo as a sun-god, because that role really belonged, not so much to him as to Helios; Apollo as the sun-god was only a very late development in classical mythology. But then I found out that that development had already taken place by A.D. 79, so it was historically possible for somebody in Pompeii upon the eve of its destruction to view him in that light).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, May 27, 2000 06:46:01 PM
IP: 216.87.46.47.dialup-stl.primary.net

Hm... Not myuch for me to talk about right now... I haven't kept up with the other threads this week and don't want to start now, (going through 500K of CR isn't always a fun task) and all the comments I have on Timedancer about behind the scenes stuff and such should probably wait until later, lest I accidentally give a spoiler. I've come a bit to close to doing just that the last few times, so I'll refrain from that until my next story shows up...

Ah well, I'll keep up next week, and get my part of the RP rolling again then...
Robby
Saturday, May 27, 2000 06:45:06 PM
IP: spider-te031.proxy.aol.com

RP WARNING!!!
**Attila's jail cell in Chappaqua, New York
Hillary Clinton (appearantly she wasn't killed on the Avatar) appears and begins gloating at Attila.
"I hope you enjoyed that little fic. Soon, you shall be forced to read more tripe. Well, there's that slash with Claw and Fang, or Paul Nathans's Scissions. For now, we'll need more victims to share in your misery, while I wait to announce that I am not really dead. Well, you'll need two victims to share in your misery..."**
TO BE CONTINUED!!

$RP Contest: If you read Mara's fic, you'll notice Reveredn Attila has been captured by Federal Agents, and he'll eventually escape, but for now, he will be forced to read really bad fics. For those of you interested, I am taking a poll to see who shoudl join Attila. This is a secret ballot, so please e-mail for what RP characters (good guys of course) should join my cuddly kitty in reading bad fics. For all interested, you know my address. Characters can be in any RP session, and all who read RPs (not just contributors) can submit victims, including my own characters.$

Janine> Sorry I didn't welcome you earlier.

Gasper> Same goes for you

Rodlox> All that sanity can't be godo for you :p

Peter> <<Unfortunatly one of the problems with this is that it sometimes becomes ONLY ritual and ceremony, without any true worship.>> If traditions and reasons are remembered, then that shoudln't be a problem. I do not consider my faith to be just that,a nd soem of the rogues who want to water down and simplify the Mass distrub me immensely.

Mara> Goliath and Kai just doesn't seem realistic. Xanatos and Owen could work, if not for Fox :)

ArchWolf> I doubt I'll be in an Airborne division, though I will know how to jump out of a plane. I wonder where I'll be assigned afetr all Basic and Advanced Training is finished.

Warpmind> Well, actually if you got cigars made by Cubans in Miami, we'd be cool with that, too :) I bet those are good, since they conatin the sweet flavor of freedom and capitalism.

Shadowrider> Well, it was Ferdinand and Isabella who really made the Inquisition the worst, and St. Dominic tried to find a better alternative with the rosary which I so dearly love. I find that it is easy to condemn the Catholic Church for its human-led wrongs, mostly done by corrupt dissenters (like the Borgias, DeMedicis, etc.), though since the Counter-Reformation, the Catholci Church has been cleaning up its act, and while it is easy to atatck Pius XII for the mistakes he made, he was only human and he managed to do what good he was capable of. He had the Fascists all around him and he made teh Orders grant asylum to refugees, and while he also helped war criminals escape, I imagine he had his reasons. The healing process really sped up with John XXIII and Vatcian II, and Paul VI who put a stop to the excessive interpretations of the Council and eliminated the Offcie of the Holy Inquisition. Pope John Paul II has also done a lot to heal old wounds, especially with the Jewish people, along with help form such great men as the late Cardinal O'Connor. His apologies are the start of a new millenium which will be approaching us soon, and hopefully a new era. The Pope has not made himself a moral authority so much as most peopel in the world, regardless of religion, view him as one.

I also do not understand at how you could defend a demon like Cromwell and be critical of the Church's attrocities.

As for Hitler, he may have been christened a Catholci, but he clearly rejected Catholicism, instead accepting the teachings of Hegel, who was inspired by Rosseau, one of those Enlightenment windbags. In this Century, most deaths can be layed at the feet of Jean Jaques Rosseau who inspired Hegel and Marx, than any religion can be blamed.

Anyway, do you ahev any more knowledge of what you'll be doing in the Italian Army? How much pay do you get whiel serving there, and do you get a higher rank, since you ahev a College degree?

Niamhgold> I hope you liked Attila's contributions to teh story. He is quite the pervert :)

Doug> I'll only be goen for nine weeks and that is eight months away. I imagine I'll have interent access after Basic Training, so I won't be gone long. I'm glad you like Lazio. I just hope its not too late for him to beat Billary.

Mandi> I believe you worked for the Army's computer stuff when you're not ins chool. Do you knwo how godo their computer network is?

Disco> I like Disco. Personally, I hated the sixties. I rememebr PJ O'Rourke saying that if the sixties came back to where he lives, he'd shoot it :) The disaster from Woodstock 99 may have ended some of that sixties nostalgia.

Rodlox> <<well it does kinda throw a wrench into the plans of whoever tries to do a romance-fic that's a crossover of _Brimstone_ and _Touched By An Angel_. <G> >>

That should prove unusual O.o

Gunjack> Mother Teresa does deserve creidt for what she did, and she also did what she did by putting herself in God's hands and the Ctaholic Church allowed her to create a network of mercy and caring, which is due to the infrastructure of the Church. It's the infrastructure that can cause and magnify both good and harm.

Gunjack> Well, you could enlist and shoot guns, too :) It also helps you pay for College or you could do ROTC at your College :)

I imagine your worship is real, but I think the Organ music, artwork, Eucharist, and priestly robes add to the magnificence already there.

Patrick Toman> Moral legislation is a problem on both ends of teh spectrum. In addition to Robertson and Falwell, we have turds like Rev. Joan Campbell Brown and thsoe damned Liberation Theologists trying to muck up people with their wacko Marxist horse droppings. Plus we have a thoroughly amoral President who always uses his religion as a smokescreen for his true nature.

Crzy> That will be quite some ride. Kenna (Elisagoyel) and I will be on the same bus trip and maybe Jessie Feff, too.

Jenna> Well, it doesn't have to be too strict a seperation, as long as one is not able to dominate the other. I have no problem with Thomas Jefferson mentioning God or having state textbooks provided (for courses other than religion)when I went to Catholic school.

Spacebabie> The troll may be in my unit :)

SJ> Saluting? Well, when I'm an Officer, it would be nice :) Actually, I can get mail at Basic, though, so I'll leave my address to reach me before I leave.

I also find hierarchies to be a good thing, if the peopel in charge are good. With a proper hierarchy, folks like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jack Chick, Bob jones, and Benn Hinn would be put in check and possibly defrocked, plus Clinton could be kicked out of any church he joins :)

RP WARNING!!!
**Cromwell's new base.

Oliver Cromwell sits at his altar while the Orange Duke, Ted Turner, and Ian Paisley listen.

"Well, with the elimination of Chick, Jones, and Cornish, it seems I must find some new members of our dark tetrad. First, I submit Rev. Joan Campbell Brown,a ndmy second choice will be the corrupt rogue ArchBishop Weakland of Milwaukee. he amy be Catholci but his plans would truly ruin Catholicism more than we can ever hope to. To evil, my followers and Orange power.**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Saturday, May 27, 2000 05:25:08 PM
IP: proxy1-external.elmwd1.la.home.com

** Niamhgold enters, huffing and puffing **

Only...have...fifteen minutes...before got to go back...to work ** Huff, puff ** Must...hurry...

Janine: Hola! Sorry my welcome wagon was late, but it didn't have a designated driver ;)

Jenna: Congrats to your hubby, too! Glad you get to go to G2K!!!! Yay! You're a Lady Pendragon fan, too? Cool ^_^

Warpmind: No problema. I liked the whole philanthropic aspect of Dominique in the piece, and there was an amazing level of suspense set up! Can't wait to see the next piece!

Gunjack: <Why is it called "Execution cake"?> Truthfully, I have no idea; I just picked it up from the others. I think it may have something to do with the extremely *high* level of chocolate in the mix...ever see the episode of the "Simpsons" when a french chef tries to assassinate Homer with a _really_ fattening chocolate eclair? It's sort of like that...maybe ;)

Joe Boxer: You're recording for your band?! Awesome! After work tonight, I'm off to watch a friend's band perform. Let me know how it works out for you guys!

Doug: I promise, I promise so much, that I'll get you feedback on Night of the Symbiotes pt 2 as soon as I can find the time! I _loved_ the first part(as you could probably tell by my E-mail), but I want to write some really comprehensive feedback for this, as well! And thank you for your kind words about my improving skills...but I highly doubt I've reached the intrinsic writing style that _you've_ achieved! You're just being nice! :) :)

Winterwolf: ** (In a cheese commerical voice) **: Behold the power of Niamhgold's cake. :) Chocolate is the ultimate taste--the most common language of the universe. MMM. Chocolate. Ahem...anyways ** Niamhgold shakes her head ** I bet you can imagine what kind of silly things were going on in my head when I wrote the Full Monty (oops, 'scuse me, meant to say the Full _Bounty_);). And, in return to your Em--if you do want any feedback on anything, feel free to harrass me about it! I mean, you've been so nice, and equally amazing :) Have a great Memorial Day Weekend!

That goes for the rest of you!

Adios!

Niamhgold
Saturday, May 27, 2000 05:11:14 PM
IP: lac-flex180.ncia.net

Sorry about the double take my comp is kinda screwie.
Janine
Saturday, May 27, 2000 04:11:10 PM
IP: phx-205.treknet.net

***JANINE WALKS IN WITH STEAM COMMING OUT OF HER EARS***

I can't believe She did this to me. I need to get my own car. It's only a flat tire thirty minutes of work and all is well. We have untill ten o'clock tonight to get it done. It was probably her own father that slashed her tire. He is an ******* anyway. He probably won't let her go either. I have to call Magus now and see if he can give me a ride or ...no he dosen't have wheeles.

***JANINE STORMS AROUND SOME MORE***

Okay, on a lighter note. I have already surrendered my sanity as you can see.

***Christianity Debate***

I can't stand debates like this. My uncle(Mormon) and my step-father(Catholic) are forever debating. So as a former Mormon(now Pagan again) I will not comment any further than I believe in the PTB.

***End Debate***

If my latin is correct 'Pax' means 'peace'.
Rodlox> Can't Brooklyn go back to Ancient Rome, meet Primus again and learn the down fall of roman law all at once...?

A suggestion...

I'll be around!
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 04:09:48 PM
IP: phx-205.treknet.net

***JANINE WALKS IN WITH STEAM COMMING OUT OF HER EARS***

I can't believe She did this to me. I need to get my own car. It's only a flat tire thirty minutes of work and all is well. We have untill ten o'clock tonight to get it done. It was probably her own father that slashed her tire. He is an ******* anyway. He probably won't let her go either. I have to call Magus now and see if he can give me a ride or ...no he dosen't have wheeles.

***JANINE STORMS AROUND SOME MORE***

Okay, on a lighter note. I have already surrendered my sanity as you can see.

***Christianity Debate***

I can't stand debates like this. My uncle(Mormon) and my step-father(Catholic) are forever debating. So as a former Mormon(now Pagan again) I will not comment any further than I believe in the PTB.

***End Debate***

If my latin is correct 'Pax' means 'peace'.
Rodlox> Can't Brooklyn go back to Ancient Rome, meet Primus again and learn the down fall of roman law all at once...?

A suggestion...

I'll be around!
Anonymous
Saturday, May 27, 2000 04:08:59 PM
IP: phx-205.treknet.net

***BEGIN RP....FORGIVE ANY ERRORS, I'M A BIT RUSTY!!***
Sammael, Kari, Dyspare, the Administrator and several of her Borg, Black Tiger and Jim Iza Noying, plus anyone else I'm leaving out, still wandered about the Earth after being suddenly teleported down from the now-demon controlled Avatar of Ganon.
"Gee, it's like we've been wandering about the Earth for days now...weeks even....with no explanation as to where we're going or even where we are." Kari said.
Sammael shrugged. "Don't look at me. I'm not writing this."
The Administrator looked very upset. "I demand to be placed back upon my station. Those demonic creatures are no doubt destroying my Avatar even as we speak!"
"Not likely," Black Tiger replied. "No, by now Mephisto will probably have high-tailed it for the furthest galaxy he could find."
"Why?" Kari asked.
"The Ten."
"The Ten?" Kari asked.
Sammael groaned. "Oh no....I've heard of them."
Black Tiger nodded. "The Ten are on their way here. And if we don't stop them, this galaxy goes 'poof'."
"Poof?"
"Poof."
***PAUSE RP***

Whoo! Well, it's been a couple days since my last post. In case I haven't mentioned it, my dad is out of the hospital. He'll be going for his biopsy in a couple of weeks, cause he still has an infection in his back that prevents any convenient immediate surgery. So still keep your fingers crossed. I thank all of you for your support already.

Green Baron: Congratulations on joining the military! You have bigger stones than me, my friend. ;) I have a lot of respect for our nation's military, but that life's not for me. I respect you for joining. I think you'll enjoy it, actually. They thrive on diligent, hard-working individuals, and I think you'll fit in nicely. :) So I'll be pulling for you while you're in boot camp. Maybe we should start saluting you from now on? ;) Good luck, bro!

Jenna: **hugs** I'm glad that you were able to get the job! I've prayed that you would be able to get something permanent that you would enjoy. Looks like you're an administrator of sorts now too, huh? Don't worry. I think that it's perhaps a good thing that you're a little nervous about your role. If you're being cautiously introspective, you shouldn't have to worry about becoming a tyrant. But you're too sweet to become a mean boss anyway ;) Here's to Mike too, for getting some cool work himself! I'm hoping that the both of you do get to go to the Gathering. Even though I probably won't be attending, I can live vicariously through you. Take lots of pictures!

Religious stuff: This may not be a popular viewpoint given what I've read about this topic in here, but I do NOT think that religion screws up "the state", i.e. politics. Politics screws up religion. Read the New Testament. Jesus preaches love, peace, justness, humility, tolerance, and about a thousand other good virtues. And never do I remember him tagging on a line that said "Oh yeah, and go ye forth and get involved in politics". See, the problem that the Church has, and quite a few organized religions as well, is that the forget that Jesus commanded his believers to be "in the World, but not *of* the World". You start incorporating secular ideas like politics into your doctrine, things get screwed up. The message is important. When people get too concerned whether or not the Church is asserting its proper authority over the community, you've gotten your wires crossed. You should be concerned with the authority of the Church only in relation to the believers. I read Christ's message in the Bible, and I don't go, "Gee, what a horrible guy, he was trying to impose his beliefs on everyone else". No, Christ didn't do that. He put the message out for anyone who wanted to accept it to do so. It was the believers who came later who decided that, instead of doing the same thing and just offering the message, it'd be a good idea to just go ahead and FORCE people to follow the message. Doesn't work that way. They're trying to interject the secular power structure of politics into religion, and you're corrupting the whole system. You don't need a hierarchy of faith. In the Bible it doesn't provide for all of that. You have a church, and the preacher basically just preaches the message, that's all. Maybe you have some deacons to help out the preacher, or a few missionaries. You don't have hierarchy upon hierarchy.

It really pisses me off when I get people giving me a bunch of crap about some of the stuff Falwell does, or Robertson does. I believe in God, and the words and teachings of Jesus, and I try to follow them (I don't do a very good job always, but that's my fault). I don't impose my beliefs on others. So it's a pain in my ass when I have to hear crap from others about how Falwell is imposing his morality on them. You know what? Don't complain about it to me. There are more Christians out there than you know who loathe that man and are embarassed that he claims to worship the same God. Don't lump us in with him just cause we happen to believe in the same God. Take the Islamic faith. There are those who actually practice what Islam preaches, and there are those who interpret Islam into saying "Kill all the infidels". I'm sure the actual Islamics just LOVE when they're lumped together with the fundamentalists. Same thing with Christians. I hate it when I have to get crap for something that plastic-haired schmuck Falwell does, or something Robertson does, or etc. If you can't look beyond prejudices against those men and realize that there are Christians who DO NOT believe the same way they do, then I pity you.

On the lighter side....the folks over at Zealot.com have listed some possible suspects as to who is the father of Scully's baby. Here is the list, with odds as to who is the culprit.
1. Midi-Chlorians. Odds: 5,000 to 1.
2. Skinner. Odds: 200 to 1.
3. Frohike (you know, the old, bald Lone Gunman). Odds: 40 to 1.
4. Alex Krycek (although, I didn't think he swung that way...) Odds: 25 to 1.
5. Ares, God of War (it almost worked for Xena) Odds: 20 to 1.
6. Batman (Chicks dig the car) Odds: 7 to 1.
7. Hunter Hearst Helmsley (WWF's HHH, aka Mara's Love Slave ;) Odds: 5 to 1
8. The Cigarette Smoking Man (Ewww...) Odds: 2 to 1.
9. Mulder. Odds: 50,000 to 1 (I mean, c'mon. Like hell they'd actually do it. Even if Scully BEGGED him to. He's passed up opportunities before!)
10. Willow, from Buffy:TVS. Odds: Even. (Hey, the way Willow is being written these days, anything's possible! ;)

**RESUME RP***
"So what exactly are these Ten?" Kari asked.
"Do you remember that evil Smurf creature we destroyed a while back?" Black Tiger asked.
Kari rolled her eyes. "I'm trying to forget him, believe me."
"The Ten are like him."
"Short and blue?"
"No. But as ruthless. And powerful. More powerful, actually. And they're coming here. We need to marshall everyone, all of our friends and allies, to stop them."
"But..." Sammael began. "Mephisto left....why did he send his demons to Earth? I thought that he wanted to conquer the Earth?"
"No," Jim explained. "He just wanted to get control of the Avatar so that he could leave Hell. The Ten will most likely destroy that realm as well if they aren't stopped. Mephisto probably plans to come back to Earth, eventually, after the Ten have left."
"Then why did he send his demons to Earth?" Kari asked.
"In a couple words, cannon fodder," Black Tiger said. "He was probably gambling on the Ten to show up and have to fight his demon army on Earth, thus giving him more time to escape while the Ten are distracted."
Sammael grimaced. "I guess he forgot to mention to all of us demons the small detail that he was going to sacrifice us."
"Our best bet is to find the demons left here on Earth and to convince them to help us fight the Ten. Then we can find our other friends and gather our forces." Black Tiger suggested.
"But how are we going to find anybody if we don't know where we are?" Kari said, dejected.
"I know where we are," Dyspare said softly. Everyone turned towards him. "And I have a good idea where the demons are, too."
Sammael looked hard at the little demon. "What are you talking about, Dys?"
Dyspare was standing on a hill, looking down at something hidden from the view of the others. "Where would an army of demons go if they were let loose on Earth?"
Kari shrugged. "I don't know....Hollywood?"
Dyspare shook his head. "Close. But they'd go where the 'sin' is. A city of sin."
Sammael's eyes grew wide. "You mean--"
Dyspare pointed over the hill, and they could all see neon lights in the distance. "Where would demons go on Earth? Simple! They'd go to Vegas!!!"
***END RP FOR NOW***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 02:41:50 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Hmm. I don't know what the heck is causing my keyb\\oard prob\lems. I have to figure that one out.

Early Edition got cancelled too? Huh, one would think that NB\C made CB\S cancel some its shows in order to respond to the new programming.

**SPORT PROGRAMMING RANT**
B\TW, for pete's sake, isn't one college footb\all league and one professional footb\all league enough for pub\lic tv? Some of us don't want to watch footb\all from January to Decemb\er. The next thing you know they'll b\e playing b\asketb\all year round, b\aseb\all year round, hockey year round, and every sport year round. Is there that much market for sports programming that some of us who aren't sports fanatics have to have it all year round on pub\lic tv? Too much of any one sport and the popularity gets sliced among various leagues so that no one league gets a high market share. Does anyone else think that way?
**END SPORTS RANT**

B\TW, how did many sanity get removed when I entered this room? and I'd still like to b\uy mine b\ack.

**CHRISTIANITY DEB\ATE**
I'll like to draw a line to ST:DS9. The leader of the B\ajoran religion was not in for the right reasons which is what usually happens with state sponsored religions. I do b\elieve in the state not infringing on anyone's right to worship (exceptions: killing people) and the state not endorsing/creating any religion. B\ut that's as far as I take it. I don't see what is wrong with hanging the Ten Commandments on the wall of a classroom or in a courtroom. If everyb\ody ob\eyed one commandment we wouldn't need any more laws: Do unto others as you would have them do to you. Mayb\e that saying needs to placed in every courtroom and classroom.
**END CHRISTIANITY DEB\ATE**

Man, I wish I could leave the B\FTS RP alone this weekend but there are plotlines to b\e laid.
**BFTS RP continues despite attempts b\y an unknown force to stop it**
DPH and Plastique Saber had spent the night in separate rooms in a hotel. They had traveled a great distance so far.

"DPH, how can you afford so much?" asked Plastique Saber.

"Working occasionally for ITAG, wise investments. My usual pay is $300/hr while on assignment and as you know we get paid even when we sleep." said DPH.

"So you don't mind not making overtime wages for hours above 40?" asked Plastique Saber.

"Hehehe. $300/hr and I gripe about not earning more. Not going to happen." replied DPH.

Meanwhile continuing the previous meeting of Speed Racers
"Sonic cannons. Oh, I see. Noise will keep them from concentrating and may not be considered an attacks. All these items will cost money . ." said Fred Hitman.

"May I make a suggestion?" interrupted Paula Smith.

"What?" asked Fred Hitman angrily.

"We send a small force to attack. 8 people with flame throwers and 4 with sonic cannons. The 8 attack from north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, and northwest. The 4 attack from north, south, east and west," said Paula Smith.

"Excellent suggestion, Paula. The objectives would be to test out the effectiveness of sonic cannons and the new suits and burn down the house." said Fred Hitman. "Back to money, how much will the new suits and sonic cannons cost us?"

"I was thinking that asteronaut suits can handle the heat and I'm pretty sure they can handle electricity. All I need to do is find the right people and negotiate to buy the suits. Sonic cannons have the same problem about purchasing. I'd suggest we do 'fund raising' before start trying to buy the new equipment." said Henry Rogers.

"Excellent suggestion. Everybody can go home now except the 'fund raising' people." said Fred Hitman.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 02:08:46 PM
IP: max1-61.cwy.cei.net

Ok on the Decepticon Vs Autobots...I merely stated Dinobts rule, cause they where my favorite of the good guys
of the Decepticons I can't decide between the Constructicons and the Insecticons

Shadowrider>>>The Tricereatops was named Slag
Saurapod=Sludge
Stegasaur=Snarl
Pteranadon=Swoop
T-rex=Grimlock

Gasper and Rodlox>>> Got room in your RP for a motorcycle riding blade wielding Chick?

Doug>>>Xander and Buffy's Brother> I didn't know Buffy had a Brother and I didn't know Xander swung that way :)

and its my brother who graduated recently I graduated in Highscool in 95 when Gargoyles was still on the air :sniff:
Speaking of the Troll GB knows that he is shipping off in January too and he might be a ft Sill anyone else enlisting their also has my permission to kick the snot out of the brat.

Janinie>> Howdy Welcome to the CR and surrender your Sanity
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:37:40 PM
IP: user-37kaotr.dialup.mindspring.com

Sticks head in-

Hello you all! ^_^

Thanks to you all for the well wishes! ^_^ I am so happy to have this job. But I must tell you- I am nervous too. For the first time in my life, I have been put in a place of power and authority over fellow coworkers. I must say- it feels weird. Right out of the gate, I will be given a project to head that must get done in 12 weeks come hell or high water- I will be in charge of it and those working on it, and for once I will have the power to fire people if they are not working out.

Now some people get drunk with power easily, but I don't. I've been on the recieving end, so I don't want to be a tyrant. I must say, I'm a little scared- I don't know what kind of leader I'll be. I hope a good one, one one that gets stuff done- because I have to be. Anyway, cont to keep talons crossed for me.

My hubby just got offered a Ft job!!! yea!!!! And he's going to be meeting with a local gaming company for some on the side independant work. It looks like we may be going to the Gathering after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooohooo!!! We are jazzed!!!!

Shadowrider- good points on religion. Patrick, you too. I must say after reading the bios of the writers of the consitution, I am not the least bit surprised they had the forsight to divide church and state- and I am glad they did it. I swear, religious intolerance really frightens me, and I have seen it rear it's ugly head. I don't think to be honest, there is anything that really frightens me more than intolerance. It breeds such hatred, and yes, violence as well. I don't know why some people just can't live and let live. I don't understand it. I've said it once, but evil done in the name of rightousness is something that has always unnerved me.

And it's not just one creed that is guilty of this. I must say, examing the political situations of Israel and of various middle eastern countires really makes me glad that religion and state are seperate. I also feel the same way when I look at the extermination of the buddist priests in tibet and china- by the state.

I think the strict seperation of state and faith is crucial to avoid one from abusing or exploiting the other.

on to other things--

Well, I am a big girl, and I can admit when I'm wrong. Recently I was kinda bashing comics- spec. witchblade for it's stories being so narrow about women. Now this isn't about witchblade, but I have come across another comic which I have fallen in love with Lady Pendragon. I must say, I haven't collected comics in years, and I am already starting to huntdown everything related to this title. I like the fact that the main characters are women who are all able to think on their feet, ect. And their main assets is not pieces of thier anatomy, but their skills, their beliefs, their personalities. I really like the wholistic approach. very well done-^_^

jenna
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:14:28 PM
IP: 1cust156.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

Pax Romana:
Try as I might, I couldn't resist commenting. 3 years of Latin will do that to you. Pax Romana means "the Roman Peace" as Warpmind pointed out. "The Law of Rome" would be Lex Romana or possibly Jus Romana.

Got to go back to work.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:54:50 AM
IP: ppp-08.rb5.exit109.com

*Warpmind slides in.*

Rodlox: Yeah, well, I'll see what I can do... heck, I managed to get a copy of Gargoyles from abroad; I should be able to do that magic again. :)

Gargoyles dreaming: I was going to let this pass... but I recall one line by a certain blue-skinned redhead in "Awakenings"... she claimed to have been dreaming about the reunion for a long time... so, there goes. :)

Niamhgold: Grazie. Such comments on my work helps. :)

Gside: Unfortunately (I think), it will be strictly in Norwegian... actually, I suspect that my so-called peers are less fluent in the playful language known as English than I am, so maybe it is for the better. ;) But, with luck I may encounter Gargoyles fans there, y'know. :) Where your phone number is cpncerned, you ought to have responded to those calls gaily. ;) As for my phone number, well, whether 1 represents 1, i or a forced space, it is still incomprehensible.

Coyote: Heh, I know it was bad... I'm not a Callahanian for nothing, y'know. ]:)

WinterWolf: My big break... um, maybe, maybe not... after all, it will be sort of "Look, here I am! I have a defective brain!", if you know what I mean. ;) As for the movie I described, well... there *is* a nude scene, but the girls are, what, somewhere around 12 years old, so I found it somewhat... displeasing. Now you have the *whole* movie described. Enjoy. ;)

Rodlox: I'm here, man. I was the one who desired info on Detective Stone. :)

Janine: Pax Romana is the peaceful period of the Roman Empire.

Gunjack Valentine: The job? No job... I recieve social security money. Same thing as with the documentary. :) Actually, the social security money is only while I'm still in school, so the last payout is in June. 'Sides, the cigar was a cheap one (as far as cigars are cheap in Norway). ;) And a B-person is one who loathes A-persons, who are the ones thar rise from bed cheerfully in the morning. Hate'em. ;) As for the Christening-by-force; well, it *happened*, but I think it tended to be the exception rather than the rule... though, the Conquistadores did have a few such travesties on their record.

Well, that's about it for now... Hasta la vista, guys.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:36:52 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Mara Cordova - Zelgabunny ::snickers:: cute. Zelgadis is the reason I started watching Slayers. You know me and my weakness for men with blue skin. O.o As for Akio, you can bet he is in the works >:) I want to do a pic of him and Dios back to back.

Daniel Johnson - Don't tempt me >:) Just call me GODDESS and all will be well! j/k!

Gunjack Valentine - Lotion? heh heh... Zelgadis is 1/3 human, 1/3 golem, and 1/3 demon. His great-grandfather/grandfather (yes he was both!) Turned him into that as an answer for Zel's want for power. So those are little rocks on his face. He has them all over. LOVE HIM!

HEY... I just found out that Thom Adcox Hernandez is going to be on the same plane as me and Greg W. on the way out to Florida! It is SO going to be the Gargoyles Party Plane!

Flight Attendant: Ma'am? Could you please stop sitting on the back of the seat?

Me: sitting? I am perching! Keeping a watchful eye over all the passengers of this castle... err.. PLANE!

Flight attendant: But the 'fasten seatbelts' sign is on.

Me: What sorcery is this??!

Greg: Jennifer... If you don't get down, I am getting a mace and coming after you myself.

Me: ::slinks into her seat:: Man... just cuz you wrote it you think you got all the power...

Greg: One more word and we are going to see if you can fly without wings.

Me: But Thom dared me to do it!

Thom: ::gives that pure innocent look that fools us all::

... Okay... time for me to switch to decaff. O.O ::scampers off to feed the kids breakfast::
CrzyDemona
Saturday, May 27, 2000 10:21:59 AM
IP: mp2e3.ez2.net

Toku wrote: "This is why we HAVE a separation of Church and State: to keep the State from abusing religion."

And vice-versa... which is, IMO, the more important end nowadays. It's been said that "one cannot legislate morality" but that sure doesn't stop some groups from thumping their Bibles and trying to enforce their own believes upon the whole of American society. To that, I say thank God for the forethought the writers of our Constitution had.

Shadowrider, Green Baron > Best of luck to both of you with the military thing. Hope we don't lose too many more fans around here to the world's armed forces, though... seems recently like every week someone else announces they're joining up.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, May 27, 2000 08:24:17 AM
IP: 98aa5544.ipt.aol.com

Janine: Pax Romana = "the Law of Rome". the Romans weren't a bad group - so long as you followed _their_ laws, paid your taxes, served in their army......wait a minute, that's the same as early Muslim countries too.

sorry...tired....just ate a sauropod. did you know David Xanatos is related to John Hammond? {Jurassic Park}. <G>

note on the Jar: ahh, true - to a point - but i ate it before he had his grand idea of buying gargoyles. btw, you want me to spit it up?

on breathing: yes, grendels do have to breathe...but we're like whales: we metabolize 90+% of the air we breathe, rather than the pitiful %age for human lungs...allowing us to remain under longer...that and we can control our own metabolisms.

Rodlox
Saturday, May 27, 2000 07:07:32 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Oh-ho, another Saturday in the CR...

Winterwolf:> Totally right...

***WARNING***RELIGIOUS TOPICS HERE***HANDLE WITH CARE***

I see that my comment about religions has issued some interest. Good to me, I always enjoy a good discussion. I just hope we will be able to keep it in a civil level. So, if anything in the following posts was to result of offence to anyone, please believe me as I say it was not my intention and please accept my apologies.

Toku Kaioto:> A complete analysis of the reasons for which the Crusades were made is complex. You mention correctly political and economical reasons, but there was also the overpopulation of wide areas of Europe, the will of many Kings of getting rid of their unquiet Knights and Vavasours, and the fear that the Turkish expansion could grow in constituting a menace for Europe. But you have to admit that religion was used as an effective instrument in the hands of the ones who ruled Europe at that time, to convince wide amounts of people in embarking those desperate enterprises, with the scream of "Dio lo vuole!" ("God wants it!"). I also think that the fact the Crusaders were not only allowed, but eventually supposed to kill everyone could be for any reason considered misbelieving with the praise of what was considered by many people the highest moral authority in the world, was of great use in unleashing the fondamentally violent and cruel nature of man.
Actually, there are two things I don't like of organized religions (not only the various Christian sects, but also Islam and so on...): first, religions are too easy to be used as political instruments. The separation between State and Church can reduce the problem, but not cancel it, as History shows: the Church, in fact, is costituted and administered by persons with their own interests and conscious of the moral power they have over a lot of people. The second, more disturbing thing is that every religion says in a more or less explicit way "I have the sigle and true Truth and so everyone does not totally agree with me is wrong and sentenced to damnation". This principle is, as far as I'm concerned, the origin of many of the greatest horrors we have seen or we still see. The fact that the persons who administer the religion really believe it or not is not important: the important thing is that a lot of believers do it.

Gunjack Valentine:> Interesting points...well, the environmentalists example is not totally right: there IS a difference between environmentalism and eco-terrorism. The WWF makes environmentalism. Greenpeace makes environmentalism. The Gray Wolves are eco-terrorists.
Actually, I don't blame Christian people for Inquisition, as well as I don't blame them for the extermination of the Pre-Colombian civilizations: I blame Christian Churchs for those things. (and if you want to know what disturbs me of organized religions, read my reply to Toku) The Church is an organization that is supposed to lead the believers in following the will of their "Messiah". Instead, the Church in its history has sistematically used the words of Jesus as an excuse for the worst atrocities and the ugliest crimes. It is not only the Inquisition: there are a lot of things, what carries me to the to the next point of your post. I don't want to make an analysis of Hitler's mind, it is a task I'm not qualified for. Was he totally crazy, or just a little? The Holocaust was due to an irrational and inextinguishable hate, or to an astute political move (give them an enemy to hate and they will forget everything else...). What I want to analyze is the Church's (not only Catholic but also Protestant) actions and position. Apart the fact that racial hate against the Jews had been fueled for centuries by the various Christian sects, for a lot of reasons, often more of political than religious nature, it is sure that both Catholic and Protestant churchs knew of Hitler's plans since the very beginning of the "Final Solution", but they did nothing to stop Hitler and the Nazis. Wide sectors of the religious hierarchies were instead very satisfied of the situation and gave active help to the Nazis (and a lot of high-ranked Nazis escaped the Trial of Norimberg by the protection of the Vatican...). Now, after two millenniums of atrocities, how can the Catholic church still pretend to be a moral authority? As far as I'm concerned, the Church is no more deserving to be the interpreter of the will of Lord...and the Church's current process of self-absolution leaves me totally indifferent. About the Bible...its words have been interpretated in so many ways...Anyway remember a simple thing: the Bible and the Gospel have been written not by God and Jesus directly, but by people pretending to be inspired by them and, while reading those books, I often suspected that a lot of those people were very good in "interpretating" the word of God (supposing Him to exist, what I'm not sure) according to their own beliefs...
About Mother Theresa...according to your words, all the people who have been trained by Church are supposed to be benefactors and healers. So, why do I know a lot of religious people (friars, nuns, even priests) who would never even raise a finger to help anyone, and a lot of non-religious people who instead make everything they can to be of help?
Mother Theresa's actions are due mainly to her strong will and her values, values she had already in her, because values as far as I'm concerned cannot be taught, but only learnt, so every attempt by Church to earn credit by her actions seems to me a stealing.

***END RELIGIOUS TOPICS***

Valentine:> (again) Well, I'll leave in 21 of June, my service will last twelve months, day more day less, so I'm supposed to return in the end of June 2001...anyway, it is not that I'll totally disappear...I'll be at home under licence for one-two days every three weeks or so, so I'll peek in here sometimes...

Nothing more, see later.

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, May 27, 2000 06:56:04 AM
IP: h255-20-83.mi2.albacom.net

*As he's walking out, Valentine spots a post that stops him cold*

Christine! You contributed to GURPS Villians!?!?! I'M NOT WORTHY!!! *Does the bow and scrape*

Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, May 27, 2000 03:34:45 AM
IP: nas-48-26.dallas.navipath.net

*Valentine saunters in, grabs his comfy chair, and kicks back*
Don't you hate it when time creeps up on you? I just started getting back into the CR, and now I've gotta leave again...
A day or two ago, I finally put two and two together and realized that I had less than a week before the Big Summer Adventure 2000 kicks off. Last year's wonderfull summer experience included a full week spent on Greyhounds, during half of which I was the *ONLY* person not returning from Woodstock '99. :)
Anyways, I leave Sunday for a buddy's house for two weeks of GURPS, Lunar Complete, Curse of Monkey Island, and more GURPS. On the 8th, I come home, study for two days, take my third ACT in the morning of the tenth, and immediatly leave with my family for Arkansas. After a week there, we head up for a week in South Carolina (with my girlfriend!), and then two weeks at a camp in New York, followed by a trip back to Arkansas for an honors symposium... After which, I return home, grab my comfy chair, and don't leave my room again until some time in the fall... :P

***********************TD SPOILERS**************************
I loved the new ep! Someone mentioned earlier that TD was taking a darker turn, and I must admit that I like it... Iit's got more of a meaty 'feel' to it than some of the lighter episodes from the first and second seasons, probably because it gets away from the the-rockets-always-miss feel that you get from Gargoyles and most of TGS. Mind you, I'm not saying that it's a bad thing (who'd wanna see Goliath get chopped in half by Coyote's lasers in the first second of the fight?), it's just nice to have a change of pace.
It would have been nice for the sory to build up more before Payne went psycho, but the ep was too cool for me to hold much of a grudge... :D
Airwalker already stole most of my thunder on this, so I'll shut up now... :)

**********************END MINOR TD SPOILERS*****************

Winterwolf><<Well you can never be too sure so maybe you should just kill them all. :D Kill them! Kill them all! ;)>> Always good to know that you've got your priorities straight... ;)
<<As recall you brought up the idea of the trained attack nerd a while back. Are you implying Militant Nerd = Trained attack nerd? Does this mean Gunjack Valentine qualifies as a trained attack nerd?>> Smile when you say that. ;) I'm still not sure the term 'Nerd' applies to me, though, as I'm only interested in technicals on a very superficial level... ie, that which allows me to blow the stuffing out of a target with more effeciency... Anyway, I think I fall more under the heading of "Psycho" or "Freak" than "Nerd"... Though I'd rather hang out with nerds than *shudder* normals...

Coyote><<And your fix of 20th century warfare isn't done for the season, either.>> You *HAD* to tell me that two days before I lose Internet access for the rest of the summer... ;) I'm looking forward to reading it when I get back!

Gside><<Sure. We really should conquer College Ave. sometime soon, and a raid on Douglas wouldn't be a bad idea: the ratio of viable females has got to be better.>> Kinda a latter-day Sabine Women type situation? And I'd really need your definition of "viable" up front before I signed on... ;)

Warpmind><<If you come over to Norway sometime, I'll show you a movie. A Norwegian drama film called "The Ice Castle" (or something like that)>> And people say art is dead... <<Pardon the smell, guys; today was payday, and I celebrated with a cigar. :) $$$$$>> I believe the American expresion is *cha-CHING!* :) Must be quite a haul to warent the cigar... what's the job? <<Ah, a B-person. :)>> That'd better not be like a B movie... ;D <<As for the Crusades bit, well, that was what I had in mind, too.>> See the apologetics part at the bottom... <<Plus, of course, the Christening-by-force techniques used by for instance the so-called Missionaries in during the early emigrations from Europe to America.>> This'll be at the bottom, too... :P Yeesh, my fingers are running away with me... <<And, yes, Jehova and Allah (the last of which actually translates to something like *The* God) are one and the same.>> I agree that both call upon the Jewish God of the old Testament... The problem comes from both groups making contradictory claims about that God. The Muslims, if I understand correctly, say that Jesus was a great prophet, as Mohammed was a great prophet, while christians hold that Jesus, based on his own claims and credentials, was the son of God. The two, unfortunately, are mutually exclusive. <<You think disco is potentially the worst thing man did to themselves? What about the clothing that was oh-so-popular in the 70's? That, I reckon, was *WAY* worse than the music...>> The scary part is that both are comming back... Kinda a "Return of The Dead Culture" type horror deal... :)

Archwolf><<*Archwolf enters the room, swaying slightly* Just gave blood. Fun. Incompitent crew. Arm hurts like hell.>> But did the cookie taste good? <> Oy... Here's to hoping they don't get out of hand! <> o_O Wow...! What's your job? <<Maybe we could save it till a time when sanity is at a premium, sell it off, then buy the rights to Gargoyles.>> *NICE* idea! At the current rate, it won't take too long for the prices to get high enough, either... <<That, I reckon, was *WAY* worse than the music...>>As i see it, the music and clothes are part-and-parcel. Same thing. No diff. All evil.>> Are you channeling Hemmingway or something? What's up with the two-word sentences? :) <<<<The only 'problem' is that it seemed too short an ep (but then, I think they are _all_ too short).>> Amen! Come on, guys! Give us a nice 4 meg story one of these days! <<Even as a Catholic, I think organized religion is the worst thing man has ever done to itself. Well, exept for maybe disco.>> At least you recognize TRUE evil... ;) <<Pole hammer vs Katana>> That seems a bit wrong... Real swords are designed to be highly flexible, and it seems that the katana would simply de knocked to the side instead of shattering. Unless you managed to trap it against a hard object... <<Ride the Lightning, man, Ride the Lightning. Life just ain't fun wihout tempting death.>> Tempt death, maybe... But I'd just as soon not give the old bugger a bear hug and a big old kiss on the lips... ;P <<All I said was that livestock losses to wolves are vastly over reported (due to the Farm Bureau).>> My comment, and I freely admit that I know SQUAT about this... I just thought it was the old "wolves are harmless" arguement again... (And yes, there are people who really believe that...) <<> In cleveland a few months ago, a pitbull ATE his breeder's 4 year old son.>> O_O ...Oookay! I'm disturbed, now, thank you... <<PBs are much more dangerous than wolves, and yet there is no legislation against owning one. In most states, there is a fine and jail time for owning anything as much as 25% wolf.>> The bueracratic mind at work? Though I have heard that PBs are illegal in England...

S><<Well, I think the people intentionally put the eye on for selfish reasons, like the Archmage for example, then they are responsible.>> True. <> The "hiccups" part was refering to the borderline hostility going on, and the other was an "MIB" quote. Don't worry... I'm so far out, I sometimes can't understand *myself*! :D <<Neither is anybody in the show. But where did I say that it was?>> I think they meant that it was only a dream sequence created by Puck, and that therefore it's not really a good example of how Brooklynn does or would act... Though you could say that Puck is just that good at getting inside people's heads and immitating and extrapolasting their actions and attitudes...

Airwalker - Dang, man... You a proffesional critic or somesuch? <<This felt like it was way too rushed.>> I agree somewhat, but it wasn't too bad... <<Now he's got Celer with him - and the kid just isn't going to be the same as Payne.>> True, but how much longer could Payne have lasted, in any event? <> *BAAAAAAAAD* joke! ;)

Starsinger - Thanks for the addresses! I'm almost afriad to punch 'em in, but they look like devilish fun... So if any of you see a red glow on the horrizen one of these nights, you'll know what happened... :)

Gray ><<Oh, well, he was an interestingly twisted character while he lasted.>> Not even! Loki's power could directly oppose the threat, instead of having to be bent to serve an unrelated purpose. Loki just had to do a lot of something simple, instead of a lot of something difficult...

Delphi - Loved the computer gender story, and good comments on Brooklynn!

Rodlox><<....and i tried entering the RP, and my entry got ignored>> I think you gotta just muscle your way in... Just add on to what's being written (hopefully without screwing over everyone's plotlines), and you'll be in before you know it... <<::rubs belly:: not too stringy, really....though the jars were a mite coppery.>> You *DO* realize you've just destroyed Archwolf's idea for buying Gargoyles, don't you? *wags finger at the grendel* For shame! <<well, reduce it to one gun, and say it was a parting gift from your Patron {aka Trainer}....how's that?>> It doesn't work, unfortunately... First off, I don't have a patron, and second, the gun's only made by a handfull of companies, and Jeff'd have the Feds watching thier output like hawks... <<contrary to certain Grimorums' info, it isn't a species-by-species trait: not all humans see a large bully or a long cliff, for example.>> Personally, I saw the Second Amendment abolished and Kumbiya installed as the National Anthem... But then, I'm kinda on my own wavelength... ;D <<no, kethqot.>> Right on, Kethqot-dude! *ducks a swing* Couldn't help it... :) <<no clue - haven't heard of her/him/?/it>> I was refering to Demona... "Life's a B****, and then She turns Immortal..." <<and _that_, is the point.>> But don't *you* have to breath? <<we make sure the bards either grossly underestimate us in their stories, or grossly overestimate us...makes it more fun when the Hunters come.>> Psychological Warfare forever!!! <<but where's the fun in that? {that was a joke}!!>> Different squids for different kids, I suppose...:) <<relax, i'm not hungry........yet.>> Did I mention I was leaving soon? ;D

Gside><<But the important thing is: did you win?>> Define *win*. Did I get what I wanted? Yes. I'm the older brother, I use logic, and I can actually stand up to harsh arguments without bursting into tears.
Did I further reinforce my sister's belief that I don't want to have anything to do with her, that I'm just a bully that pushes her around, and that bitterness is justified? Probably also yes. *sigh* I'd actually prefer to *lose* these arguements, if this is how it's gonna work...
<<We need more of those.>> I'm holding up my part... And some of my college buddies have established a safehouse on the TAMU-C campus... :) <<Nope, Randy Newman.>> Oopsie! Thanks for the correction... It's aways nice to correctly identify the nuke-advocating sociopath... :)

GB><> Sheesh, 'Mano! Talk about your big steps! I hope you have fun in the army... *Homer voice* Mmmmmmm... Paid to shoot guns... <<and finally, Ft. Benning, GA for Airborne where I wil learn how to jump out of a plane (and yes, I get a $3,000.00 bonus to do that).>> I've got a friend who'd kill to be able to do that... <<It is hypocritical at how human nature is praised for the actions of a Mother Teresa, yet Organized Religion gets the full blame for something like the Inquisition.>> Someone else mentioned that the Catholic Church didn't support Teresa until after she was already popular. If that is true, doesn't the Church still deserve credit for training and teaching her the values that led to her great actions?
<<Besides, I have some experience with religions that aren't organized and they are not good ones. They also lack a prerequisite of ritual and ceremony that is essential to worship.>> It really depends on your definition of organized... I know that the CoC has anything like the organization of the Catholic Church, and I doubt that we have anywhere near the ceremony and ritual, yet for our simplicity, I believe that our worship is real... At least mine is... :)
*grins* Man, here I am, not being able to discuss religion any more, and GB walks in... How do you like *that* luck?
<> And still as Moderate as ever... ;)

Christine><> She speaks Truth! <<now, that might be fun ... I could write up an entire chart for him as done by Gustav Sevarius ...>> I *REFUSE* to narrate *THAT* piece... ;)

Shadowrider><<Actually, in reading History, it is easy to notice how many of the worst atrocities mankind committed have been caused by religion, more or less directly.>> My reply to this got a bit long, so I moved it to the bottom of the post... <> Friggan' A! How long until we celebrate your triumphant return? :D

Aaron><<Trained attack nerd?>> So *you're* the one I have to thank for that moniker...;D

CrzyD - Nice pic! Though that guy on the right looks like he could use some skin lotion... :)

Niamhgold><<(And chocolate execution cake, as I've heard, is the food of party choice around here :)>> Out of curiosity, why is it called an *Execution* cake? Have we got some beheading action going on, or what? :)

Jenna><> And you're taking it so calmly, too! ;D Congratulations! Here's to a better life! *Raises a mug*

Ordell><<As for the stories getting darker. You'll all understand in due time.>> I love foreshadowing... Could you make some lightning crash in the background, too? ;D <<Mainly it's because I have trouble believing in things I can't see, or following eons-old religious text with over 30 authors and hardly any proven historical accuracy.>>
Disagree with the first, agree with the second. Any document that makes such claims without proof should be immediatly thrown out. Now it remains to winnow out those that lack the proof, and retain those that have it. :) <<And don't flame me about that, please. I get enough of it as it is...>> Flaming is for children with bad impulse control. I disagree with the first statement and with the inference of the second, but I prefer logical arguement to name calling and "Yo Mama"s... :)

************************MORE APOLOGETICS!*******************

Shadowrider><<As a former Catholic and now agnosthic, I agree with you about organized religions. Actually, in reading History, it is easy to notice how many of the worst atrocities mankind committed have been caused by religion, more or less directly.>> True... to some extent. I agree that few can do more damage than someone who's convinced that God is on his side. But one question.
Is a group required to take responsibility for everything done in their name? For an example, let's take enviromentalists. Should those who believe it's wrong to intentionally and needlessly destroy nature be held responsible for tree spiking and life-threatening sabatoge?
For as long as I can remember, ordinary Christians have been blamed for actions taken a thousand years ago, by an organization that violated direct commands of their "master". It seems to me that a comparison of the teachings of the Bible and the actions and motives of the Inquisition would quickly reveal a massive break, but it also seems like modern thinkers take the Inquisition unquestioningly at its word that it was following the will of it's Lord.
Now let's reverse the question. What religion was Hitler following when he systematically exterminated millions? Which dungeon would you rather be caught in; the Inquisition's or Hitler's? Not to say that the Inquisition was in any way commendable, but they violated the core of their beliefs.
Hitler simply followed the logic of his.

Whew! that turned into a bit of a rant, didn't it? Sorry about that, but it's a bit annoying to be blamed for something that you detest in all forms that occured hundreds of yewars before you were born...

Warpmind><<Plus, of course, the Christening-by-force techniques used by for instance the so-called Missionaries in during the early emigrations from Europe to America.>> Not too sure about this either; Like I said, my knowledge of history is kinda limited. I'm pretty sure, however, that it wasn't all like that... I believe the Jesuits (s/p?) did a good job of co-existing w/ the natives in peace and still managed to spread their gospel. To my knowledge, the atrocities in South America were mainly from the Spanish looking for gold and the Pourtegese (s/p) looking for slaves... Neither of which were very Christian causes. I don't doubt that atroccities were commited by people calling themselves missionaries, but I do contend that they were either fataly misgiuded or violating their own beliefs, and I can see the rush to conquest fostering this.

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Okay, I'm officially screwed. I wanted to reply to a few posts that were made since I started responding, but if I go to sleep RIGHT NOW I'll have less that 5 1/2 hours before a five hour car-wash tommorow...:P

I didn't get to half the stuff I wanted to, so I'll try to get back tommorrow... *Ignores screams of terror* :P

See y'all later, yes?
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 03:31:50 AM
IP: nas-48-26.dallas.navipath.net

"Finis ad reputare, finis ad ordo.
Oblivisci omnis ne anteexsitare."

An end to reason, an end to order.
Forget all that once was.

Please forgive my latin I'm still learning.

Untill the morrow my friends...
Janine
Saturday, May 27, 2000 03:20:38 AM
IP: phx-213.treknet.net

Rodlox> I don't mean to sound dumb...but...what is 'Pax Romana'?
Janine
Saturday, May 27, 2000 02:16:28 AM
IP: phx-213.treknet.net

Janine: that's a great idea!!

{the original outline called for Brooklyn to learn the downside of hte 'Pax Romana'}...but i think your's is the best i've heard so far.

Rodlox
Saturday, May 27, 2000 02:02:29 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Sorry I ment Brooklyn you Know those darn typo deamons...
Janine
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:59:17 AM
IP: phx-213.treknet.net

Rodlox> Maybe Borrklyn went back to Ancient Rome and met up with Primus and Primus asked Brooklyn to stay with him...?

A suggestion...
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:58:07 AM
IP: phx-213.treknet.net

offer still stands open: if anyone wants plausible creatures or worlds for their fics, feel free to ask me.

here's a segment i can't seem to work into my current TimeDanced fic: {free to a good home and a mention in the credits}.

�Roma magna, si sis Romanus.�

Hollowly, Brooklyn repeated the phrase. �Rome is nice, if you�re a Roman.�

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:45:06 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

***RUNS BACK IN LEAPING WITH JOY***

Winterwolf> I just worked out a major glitch in my wing arms! WOO-HOO! I've been having problems with the prototype for the past week or so. That is the most difficult part, the rest should be down hill from there! Sorry about all the yelling and such but I get over-excited when something actuall goes right with a prototype costume.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:43:03 AM
IP: phx-213.treknet.net

hey all. sorry that i didn't post yesterday. i was palying at this benefit concert for the poeple of chiapas mexico. i thik they raised about $550 for the cause so i'm pretty glad about that. but.... i am mostly excited about going into dallas sound lab recording studios to record my band's next album. we're recording straight from 10 am to 10 pm. it's going to be a grueling twelve hours, but it'll be worth it. wish me luck everybody! this'll be the last thing my band will put out before we all graduate and the whole deal is over with.

SOROW: Hey sweetie. i hope the sleep over wasn't too bad. i know that you and your parents put alot of effort into making it the best experience possible. i'm sorry that we won't have much time for each other in the next 2 weeks, but you know you can call or ask me to come over whenever you need me. love ya lots and have fun at camp..
Joe Boxer
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:26:26 AM
IP: spider-wo084.proxy.aol.com

Doug: <<Thanks also to you and Rodlox for reminding me of my Brimstone fandom, it's unfortunately been a while since I've thought about that cool show (still plan to do a Gargs crossover with it someday). Too bad you also reminded me of the ep with angel-related theories, the one ep of the show I didn't like.>>

well it does kinda throw a wrench into the plans of whoever tries to do a romance-fic that's a crossover of _Brimstone_ and _Touched By An Angel_. <G>

though there's already one TbaA-BS crossover....Zeke Stone can't see Andrew's halo of light. it's funny!! Andrew: "that's funny; Tess said you had to be dead not to see it."

<< :) Oh well, so things went. :) If whoever needed info on the show and Detective Stone (can't remember who it was sorry) still wants it, they only need to say so and I will be happy to provide.>>

that's what i kept saying - volunterring you. ::)

Rodlox
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:24:46 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hey all, just a quickie post since i have to get up early for a tournament tomorow.

Cruisades>Dito everything Toku said.

S>I can't stay out of this now. First, I want to say right off that I don't mean to tread on toes or insult with anything i say. But sometimes it happens, so I appologise in advance if anything I say comes across that way.
I find it odd that you would be such a staunch supporter of Goliath. You say he is such a good leader, yet twice he has abandoned his clan. The first time, just after the Wyvern Masacre. He abandons 36 eggs, the future of the clan, to the care of a human boy, a mage that turned the Masacre survivors to stone, and a stuck-up princess, inorder to also be turned to stone. That sounds to me like he is running away, not dealing with the present reality. 2)The Avalon journeys. he abandons his clan to the untrained Brooklyn. Yes, I know, this time he didn't have quite as much choice, and it _was_ to save the clan's children, but look at it from Brook's point of view. Goliath just doesn't come back one night. First, Brooklyn has to worry, then he has to assume that Goliath has been caught and or shattered, and Elisa has shared the same fate. Not to excuse his actions, but he is going to do what ever he can to elevate his spirits (enter Maggie) He tries to latch onto what ever he thinks might make him feel better. And for the 'Future-Tense' Brooklyn, his reaction is to me indicative of a strong leader. He has seen, in the visions version of the past, friends kiled and mauled. He is feeling that if Goliath had been around, things would not be this bad. His response is that of an Alphawolf. He punishes the one at fault: Goliath. Ok. Now, take a look at the early troubles between Goliath and Brooklyn in TGS. Goliath can't (or wont) see what troubles Brooklyn. It almost comes to a physical challenge of authority. It takes someone else to figure out what is going on and explain it to goliath (and brooklyn too, but as you point out, he lacks Goliath's maturity or experience, and has trouble identifying all of what troubles him. You say that Brooklyn doesn't start to mature until years after the initial Dance. At one point, I think Sata points out to the reader that this is part of Brooklyn's defensive mechanism. He sees a lot of stuff that hurts him, and he has to be able to joke it off. And yes when he returns he is older than Goliath, but I think you miss that he is MUCH more mature. He has good reasons for not telling the Clan about his Dances. A less mature person would not be able to deal with them at all, and would try to change things. Brooklyn knows, through experience admittedly, that the flow of time cannot be altered to any great extent. He also knows that certan people (and Gargoyles) would not accept that. I don't think you give Brooklyn enough credit. And maybe Goliath a touch too much.

Gotta run...sleep is setting in.

Shade and SweetWater
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:18:06 AM
IP: pumpkin-b-14.mcmurray.nb.net

Doug> Sorry about the lack of feedback, my e-mail is acting up. I'll send some as soon as it is working again.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:17:15 AM
IP: dial-194.ocis.net

Hello all! How is the weekend starting? Well I hope. It's 10:05 here in "oh so boring" Mesa, Az. (At least Gargoyles is on.) I still haven't seen the new Voyager episode or read the new TD story.(haven't had time to print it out.) DUH. Now thats an idea. BRB.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 01:07:30 AM
IP: phx-213.treknet.net

**RP HERE**

The screen flickers to life, displaying the Clark Mountain Pass, which now has traffic moving through it once again as emergency crews from the California State government clean out the last of the rocks General Zale's soldiers sealed it with before their defeat. One of the many vehicles on its way out is the Onslaught, now moving under its own power and followed closely by Stephanie's Taurus. The Road Moccasin and Jammer's station wagon are inside the somewhat repaired trailer, along with most of the team. "Just rest, friend dragon," Orion is saying to Bardic as he adjusts a bandage on his wing. "You took quite a beating in that battle. It was very brave, and we thank you, but now you need to rest. Don't worry, we will take care of you." The dragon nods his thanks, smiles, and then sinks into a peaceful sleep. Near him, Keith, Boris, and Elena are also sleeping while Jammer and Tricia sit in the cab arguing with each other as the former drives. Doug sits next to them, grimacing as he thinks about what's happened, and Stephanie is in her car outside. "Good that we were able to get those rocks cleared out so quickly," Lathrop is saying to Kitainia near them. "Yeah," she nods. "Those emergency crews that showed up really helped us out. Thank goodness they didn't ask any questions after we flashed those credentials Solomon Brand gave us." She smiles. "Now we're back on our journey, and hopefully we'll soon be at Area 51." "Right," Lathrop sighs. "I wish we were going to Santa Fe first, but we do have to drop off the dragon." "Yeah," Kit agrees. "Hopefully that won't take long." She looks at Doug. "You holding up okay?" "Yeah, I'm fine," he says in a somewhat reluctant voice. Kit frowns at his tone and realizes he must still be having memory problems. *Not much I can do about them, though,* she sighs to herself. *At least right now.* She shakes her head and goes to give Doug what comfort she can with soothing words. Lathrop meanwhile walks over to Tom, who is guarding the two remaining prisoners. Mansfield is asleep but nervously clenching his fists and mumbling as he snores, earning worried glances from both Leah and Tom, who have been talking quietly about each other's lives before the mess they're in got started. Lathrop is about to intrude, then sees the look on their faces and decides to just listen instead.

He sits down to do so as the screen's image changes to a customs office in Ankara, Turkey where Gubio and Erin are sitting in front of a desk having an inspector look over their passports while another examines the contents of their bags. "This isn't going to take much longer, is it?" Gubio asks Erin in a whisper. "We've been here an hour already." "No need to worry," Erin assures him. "They're always this careful. Much trouble in my country, you know." Gubio grimaces, but nods. Just then the inspectors turn to each other and nod. The one with the passports stamps them and hands them back while his partner closes the luggage and puts it on a cart. "Welcome to Turkey," the inspector with the passports says. "You are cleared to enter, everything's in order except for the animal you brought in with you." "Mist?" Gubio asks, looking at his cat, who is still in her carrier and looking very annoyed. "Yes," the customs inspector says. "We'll have to keep it here under quarantine during your stay. Sorry, it's policy. You can reclaim it upon your departure." "Wait!" Gubio pleads. "You can't do that!" Mist hisses and spits in agreement, understanding exactly what is going on and causing the two inspectors to frown. "Please," Erin tries to be diplomatic, "the cat has no diseases or other ailments. She's quite well-behaved too. We will take good care of her and ensure she harms no one while she is here." "Miss Bey," the spokesman customs inspector replies, "I am sorry, but this is policy. All animals are treated the same way by us. Well, nearly all. Be glad you didn't bring in a pig." Erin frowns while Gubio throws up his hands and Mist begins to meow her complaints loudly. "Can't you calm her down?" the customs inspector asks. "Or do I need to get the tranq gun?" "That won't be necessary," Gubio answers, grimacing as he turns to calm Mist. Just as he does so, there is a small explosion and burst of automatic gunfire from outside. "What?" the inspector gasps, leaping to his feet. "What was that?!" "Stay here with them!" his partner says. "I'll check it out!" He runs over to the door, opens it, and looks out, grimacing as he turns back to the people with him. "Men with guns," he stammers. "A dozen or more. Shooting people." The other customs inspector gasps, while Gubio and Erin look at each other and frown. "Sounds like we're meeting terrorists after all," Gubio sighs. Just then, the room's door is blown down by a shotgun blast and the screen goes blank.

**END FIRST HALF RP**

Greetings everyone. Well, Kit and I are back in Austin. Our trips went well, if you're wondering. Thanks to all who wished us luck in them. No major developments in our lives thanks to them other than the fact that we saw our families again and my little sister Sarah graduated high school with honors. She'll be pre-med at Vanderbilt come this fall. <sighs> She's all grown up. :) Missed you all while I was gone, am glad to be back now. I see I have much to catch up on, so I'll begin that now.

Fanfic Development: Glad Night of the Symbiotes 2 was given good ratings by its readers. It was difficult but enjoyable to write. Have not begun Part 3 yet, and don't know when I will as I have not yet gotten any feedback on Part 2. :( If you people have been waiting for me to get back from Houston to send it, well, I'm back now, so please do so (you can use my backup e-mail below if necessary, I'm aware there have been a few problems of late with frostfire@mail.utexas.edu). Not until I get feedback of some kind can I summon my creativity demons once again and begin the conclusion of the tale.

**SPOILERS FOR BUFFY, ANGEL, X-FILES, AND TIMEDANCER**

Good eps of Buffy this week and last. I liked how the Initiave and Adam's downfalls were set up and carried out in last week's and the good character development mixed in with the cool action and magic as well as the fun jokes (like Xander said, I was missing the Mayor). Forrest and the other reanimated corpses were definitely creepy and interesting too. Pity none of them survived. <grin> This week's ep was also good. I didn't realize the First Slayer was the villain till the end, and it was quite a shocker (I guess Silvan triggered the Slayer spell a bit earlier than my fanfics originally showed, maybe even did a few experiments). Having her as a vengeful ghost worked well, though. I also liked the many character developments in this episode on the four leads, especially the exploration of each's emotions and fears. SJ pretty much hit the nail on the head when he mentioned those in his review earlier IMO, except for Willow. I too thought it was her lesbianism she was afraid of having revealed at first, but after watching the episode I think it's something else instead. Look at what she is wearing when Buffy and everyone tell her to "take off her costume." She looks as she did in Buffy Season 1, she's once again the shy drab nerdish girl afraid of the world. Maybe deep down she still thinks she's that girl, even though Willow's character has come a long way from it. And obviously she doesn't want to go back. This episode did a lot to develop her, more than any previous ep this season. Good job developing Xander, Giles, and Buffy as well, I especially liked seeing Xander's dream and the cameo scenes from the Graduate, Apocalypse Now, and other movies, as well as the emotional showcases that went along with them (Xander as Buffy's brother I especially smiled at :). Overall the ep was very cool. Looking forward to next season and what Joss has in mind for the characters' college sophomore year. (Hope they at least go to class more this time. :)

The eps of Angel this week and last week were also very nicely done. I liked all the developments on Lindsay, too bad he turned out to be a villain. Wolfram and Hart were also developed well as villains, their managing partner makes an interesting character addition to the mix. Angel had good developments too, and so did Cordelia and Wesley to a lesser extent. Good plots and dialogue in both episodes, too, especially liked the scenes with Gunn and the menacing foes Angel had to face. The guy in the season finale was the more sinister of the two of course, I liked him a lot while he was around. Good development of the meta-plot in Angel too. Liked the displays of emotions in the season finale, especially the turmoil Angel goes through as he tries to find something to care about in the world and not become detached from it, and seeing Cordelia go through uncontrollable visions. The bits with Kate were also good, hope she is revisited next season and developed more. Same for David (whose scenes were very entertaining), and all the other characters. Wonder where Angel will shack up now that his office has been blown away, and what the evil lawyers have planned for Darla now that they've brought her back (is she still a vampire now, I also wonder. She didn't look like one at the end of the Angel season finale. Hmm). All these wishes will be fulfilled next season, I'm sure. Too bad I have to wait so long for it. :(

X-Files: Watched this week's ep and liked it. Krycek had some great developments as did Mulder, Scully, and Skinner especially. What was done with Marisa and Cancer-Man was good as well, I was both surprised and applauding when the latter came to his end (though somewhat disappointed too, as I really liked the character). The Bounty Hunter's development was good too, hope next season we learn more about who he's working for (I know who it is in my fanfic, the same being who leads the Sentauri Grays. But it may be someone different in X-Files canon, in which case I may or may not adapt). Liked seeing Mulder abducted too, what happens to him next season should be interesting. Scully's developments with her pregnancy by him (it has to be by him!) should be interesting too. Also wondering what will happen with Krycek and what's left of the Syndicate now that Cancer-Man is gone (Kritschgau/Silvan should still be active at least, he's not been accounted for. We really should see him again). Hope next season has more mythology eps and fewer boring one-shot monster of the week stuff so it gets all this resolved. :)

Timedancer Eps: Liked both Nor Iron Bars a Cage, and Fire and Ice. Good emotions in them, and nice dialogue, illustrations, and plots. The development on Brooklyn in each was also done well. It's good to see him rededicating himself to his quest and the need to get back to Sata. NIBC did a good job of tying up the Pandora thread, though the bits with the fay were somewhat confusing (but then fay-related matters generally are in Gargs :). I too am of the opinion that nothing other than friendship and mutual emotional aid happened between her and Brooklyn, they didn't sleep together (though their relationship was a good enough story that I wouldn't mind if they had. Most of all I wish the TGS Staff had shown us what happened instead of confusing us like this. It could have developed both the characters some, helped them to see how much they each had changed, and so on. Not getting that left a few plot holes in NIBC I didn't like. :( But still, the story was good. :) As for Payne, the development on him in both eps was pretty good too, if a bit startling and confusing. I too think it proceeded much too quickly and should have had more buildup before the actual enaction of his Loki-related powers and his split from Brooklyn. (Brooklyn should at least have gotten the basis to form some idea of what was going on with Payne in the Pompeii temple confrontation before it happened, IMO, he didn't even react to the guy having magical abilities!) It's also sad to see Payne go, he was annoying but entertaining while he was around. Brooklyn's new traveling companion, Celer, could also be an entertaining and interesting character, but he needs a little more development first. Hope he gets some in the next ep. Looking forward to that ep, and what happens with Brooklyn next. Keep up the good work, TGS Staff. Your mistakes in these eps were IMO pretty bad, but also tolerable. Hopefully they will not be repeated and thus remain so. :)

**SPOILERS END**

$ RP Stuff: Gasper, glad you're appreciating the info I send. I'll keep sending it as it remains necessary. Data on the Ravens' sponsors will be mailed to you tomorrow, I'm a bit too tired to type it all tonight. Sorry, but DX's site is the only place I know of where archives of the Black Ravens RP is stored, besides the CR archives attached to the TGS website. Those are quite enormous and take time to read over and search, but they do have a lot of RP in there. Hope you can find and enjoy it, good luck. :)
Rodlox, I apologize for not acknowledging your RP earlier, I must have missed it somehow. :( You are of course welcome to join us if you wish, whether you do or not is up to you. $

SJ: $ In answer to your question about where we see your RP characters going, Kit and I don't want them going anywhere except where you want to take them. Hope that's to a good place and interesting story, which you can soon resume. Kit and I enjoyed it while it was written. :) $ Thanks for the update on your father, I'm glad he's doing better and hope it continues. Thanks for all the entertainment info as well (looking very forward to that Batman Beyond film).

Lady Mystic, Firestorm, Kaioto: Thanks for your continued good work to administer and update the CR, I see it's had good results in the time of my absence. :) Hope it keeps up. Oh, and Kaioto, welcome back. Hope you can soon again find time to post more regularly and resume your duties as the CR Sage.

Welcome back also to Heather. I missed you a lot while you were gone, good to see you again. Hope you can stick around a while. :) Good luck to you on the exams ahead.

Congrats to all who have finished their finals, especially SOROW and Joe (congrats go out to you both for getting over the pinkeye troubles and recent arguments, and everything else in your lives as well, hope the problems don't start up again). I will be praying and sending good thoughts to the few of us who still have finals ahead (fingers remain crossed).

Gside: Congrats to you on your niece. Thanks also to you and Rodlox for reminding me of my Brimstone fandom, it's unfortunately been a while since I've thought about that cool show (still plan to do a Gargs crossover with it someday). Too bad you also reminded me of the ep with angel-related theories, the one ep of the show I didn't like. :) Oh well, so things went. :) If whoever needed info on the show and Detective Stone (can't remember who it was sorry) still wants it, they only need to say so and I will be happy to provide.

Mandi: It disappoints me too that CBS has gotten rid of Now and Again, hope we are able to get them to bring it back somehow. Of course they've also dropped Martial Law and Early Edition, two other shows I enjoyed from them. At least those shows were ended on high notes with no plot-lines left to be resolved. Especially enjoyed the second to last Early Edition ep (that little girl is definitely going to have an interesting future ahead :).

Christine: Picked up GURPS Villains today and have been reading it. Good job on your entries. Same to everyone else who contributed too, some of these characters, all of whom were done creatively and well-written, have given me interesting ideas. :) Also liked the scene from Gathering Quest, hope to soon get to read the full fic (hope Greg does too, I'd be very interested to learn what he thinks of it :). Also looking forward to Lylth whenever it comes out, I know I will be entertained by it. Keep up the good work! :)

Niamhgold: Have read your latest fic too, and enjoyed it. Great developments on Ferdinand, Isabella, Chavez, Demona, and Angela. The development bits with Elisa and Goliath were also good and entertaining, as were those on Maggie, Talon, and the Andronicus family. Looking forward to what happens next with the latter very much. Your writing style was also very good in this story, it's nice to see your skills improving like this (even if it does make me feel a bit jealous seeing you do dialogue, character development, emotional displays, foreshadowing, and just about everything else so much better than me :). Keep doing great work, I hope to soon read the next exciting tale.

Spacebabie: Congrats on graduating. May you have a long and wonderful life ahead of you now that high school is past. :) And good luck to your grandmother too with her operation and health. She'll be in my prayers.

Robby: Congrats to you on your graduation too. Hope you will also have a good and exciting life now that high school's over. Bet you're glad for the extra free time, huh? :) May you use it well. :)

Kyryn: And congrats to you on the permanent job. Hope it is indeed so and you enjoy it. :)

Jenna: Congrats to you on your job also. My, many good things are happening to people in here recently, aren't they? <grin> Hope the trend also soon applies to those who are not getting good things in their lives. :(

Green Baron: Welcome back. Congrats on the Army commission, hope you enjoy it. Also hope you can keep up the good work in the RP while you have the chance, and don't mind us continuing to use your characters some while you're gone. We will miss you during that time of course. :( May you be able to come in here a lot in the next few months. I also agree with you about Rick Lazio and the New York Senate race (May the best candidate win. We know that ain't Hilary. :).

Welcome to all newcomers, including S and Janine!

That's about all for now. Hope I'm fully caught up. :) Have not seen any good films lately unfortunately, hope I do soon (I wasn't interested in Dinosaur or MI2). Also hope to soon once again be getting back to fanfic. In any case, I will enjoy the week and a half of free time I still have before summer school very much. <grin> I'll start by getting a bit of much-needed rest from getting settled back into life in Austin. Later all!

**A BIT MORE RP NOW**

"So you were born and raised in Montana?" Tom is asking Leah as the screen comes back on. "That's a beautiful state, I've been there a few times." Leah nods. "Indeed it is beautiful. My father was a logging foreman who was also a member of the Helena National Guard, and my mother was a civilian accountant for the Guard as well. I got into the military and received combat training from an early age because of them." "Why do you use the past tense?" Tom frowns. "Are your parents retired now?" "No," Leah shakes her head. "They're dead, both of them. They were also members of the Montana Freemen, you see." "The Freemen? But the government's standoff with that group ended bloodlessly!" "That's what the government told the public. The truth is far different, I'm afraid." She sighs. "I'd just gotten out of West Point, where I had gone to defy them and get military training in the bargain, when I heard of their deaths from my Uncle Lloyd, who escaped to find me, but was then hauled away by federal marshals for 'suspicion of terrorist activity' shortly afterwards. I never saw him again. I had planned to try for Ranger training school, but once I learned the government I'd been serving was so corrupt and brutal that it could not tolerate legitimate opposition to its laws from decent people I loved, kill those people, and then cover it up, I snapped. I got out of the army, and joined General Zale's organization. When he joined up with Thailog, so did I. To create a better world." Tom rolls his eyes. "Look, Leah, Thailog's not out to do that. I understand why you might think he is, I once thought it about someone myself. Then I learned differently, I was betrayed." "And what makes you think I also am being betrayed?" "Things I know, things I've seen. For starters, look at the people fighting Thailog, us. We're the good guys, aren't we?" "You are good people, Tom. But that doesn't necessarily mean Thailog and the General aren't. In fact, I know the General isn't. He cares more about this country than any politician in power right now." "And what do you care about?" Tom shoots back. "Not this country, obviously. You want to work with a misguided patriot like Zale to turn it over to someone like Thailog, a selfish megalomaniac who will be a dictator." "How do you know he will be a dictator?" Leah replies, grimacing. "You haven't given me any proof of that! Nor any that has convinced me it's not what this country needs." "And I'm not sure I can," Tom sighs in response, causing Leah to give him a confused look. Listening nearby, Lathrop sighs too and turns away.

Meanwhile in Thailog's secret base, the evil clone gargoyle is sighing as Zale finishes recounting what he observed of the Clark Mountain Pass battle via a satellite camera. "Obviously," the General finishes sadly, "we need to make many psychological adjustments to our clone soldiers' programming. Their combat skills are sound, but their execution of the prisoners they were supposed to rescue�it worries me, Thailog. Greatly." Thailog nods. "I understand. Donna." Professor Gardner turns to him and nods. "Yes sir?" "You will create a new program for the clones, with Edison's help. Make them more loyal to us, eliminate their tendencies for initiave and rebellion. We must not have what happened in the Clark Mountain Pass happen again." She nods in agreement. "Yes, of course we must not. If the world is to be made perfect and united under your rule, we must not have revolting soldiers." "No indeed," Zale concurs, "and dead ones are just as bad." He sighs and turns away. "Yes," Thailog nods, then looks at Tyl. "That spy satellite you hacked into is still tracking the Ravens?" "It is," the Evil Hacker replies. "It will continue to keep them under surveillance." "Good," Thailog smiles in reply. "We must keep tabs on them, as they have been the most painful thorn in our sides since we began enacting our plans. If they thwart us again�" he growls and shakes his head slowly. "It has also come to my attention through observing them that there may be a possible competing organization for the objective we are attempting. One as powerful as ours, and dangerous enough to attract the Ravens' attention. Dahak, I want you, Kharsus, and Jerec to do what you can to investigate magically and find information on what this competition could be. Also, if you can, find out what happened to Asil. She disappeared after the situation in Hollywood." Dahak nods. "We are aware of that, sir," he says. "She will be found." "Lord Thailog," Jerec adds, "if I may�" "Yes?" Thailog asks, and the Dark Jedi smiles. "There's something I have noticed from observing the Ravens recently that you might not have. Their leader, Doug Elder." "What about him?" Gardner asks. "I had him in political science, and he had the most unfortunately confused, misguided, and conformist attitude about the world I've ever seen." "Well, he's even more confused now," Jerec chuckles, "I assume thanks to Alchemist's last invention. It didn't liquefy his brain like Alchemist said it would, but what it did do has caused me to develop a rather cunning plan." The others raise their eyebrows and listen as he begins to lay it out and the screen fades to black.

**UNTIL NEXT TIME, END RP**
Doug - [space_coyote@sprynet.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 12:55:12 AM
IP: pool-209-138-201-84-dlls.grid.net

Shadowrider:

Actually, the Crusades were completely conducted for the Political and Economic motivations of merchants, princes, and warlords. There were almost no conversions at the sword or the like. EVERYONE was slaughtered wholesale when cities were taken, Catholics, Orthodox, Jews, and Moslems all alike. Whoever had property rights to the city�s possessions was killed in the process of pillaging. There was no comparable religious benefit in the Crusades when compared to the magnitude of the political and economic benefit that the governments in Europe gained.

Also, there lacked the necessary separations of Church in state in Europe at that time. Kings and Emperors had a lot more influence in the appointment of Clerical Office, than the Church itself did. At a certain point, there were three Popes at once, each being played by a Royal puppeteer. This is why we HAVE a separation of Church and State: to keep the State from abusing religion.

Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Saturday, May 27, 2000 12:45:43 AM
IP: 1cust58.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Gasper: sent.

Doug: i sent Gasper my reply, then asked Gasper to forward it to you and Kit. okay?

interesting note: the Mesoamerican tribes {Mayan, Aztec, etc} believed that there were 7 levels of paradise, and 13 levels of punishment.

Rodlox
Saturday, May 27, 2000 12:41:53 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Long weekend. Hope everyone has some fun! :)

Skyrender> *Winterwolf checks the CR closet but doesn't see Skyrender.* I eagerly await your huge spoiler.

DPH> For that card you have to click on the proper pest control first then on the pest. How many years did you save? Almost all thirty? :)

Janine> <model new costumes> Wow! I really can't wait to see what great costumes you can come up with. <sleep> How did I miss your post before? I'm sorry. You make some great points. BTW - Greg has said that gargoyles spend roughly half their life asleep and age half as quickly as a result. So you are right on target with that one. ^_^

Warpmind> Congratulations. This will be you big break for fame and fortune! Right? ;) <"The Ice Castle"> Sounds like a must see movie. Okay. I'm kidding. Are you serious that you described the whole movie?

Fire Storm> <who do I kill next> Well you can never be too sure so maybe you should just kill them all. :D Kill them! Kill them all! ;)

Shadowrider> <Goliath/Brooklyn> I like the way you put that. I admire Goliath's strength of character and his good virtues. As for Brooklyn I like him for his interesting character with his rough edges. People are different and it is said, "Variety is the spice of Life".

Delphi> Ah! Well at least you weed out the bad/inappropriate ones. It seems that those are the only kind I get from one friend. At least they usually aren't that long.

Niamhgold> Believe it or not - That chocolate that you gave me in the CR made it all the way over here. I was dragged to a party today and we had this unbelievable dark rich chocolate cake. I had no idea you were so amazing! ^_^ I read the third RP you wrote "The Full Bounty". I almost wrote The Full Monty. Now that would be one for the adult section. Another good story. I'll give you more details in email. :)

Mecord> Welcome back! ^_^

Coyote the Bando> Welcome back! Monday that would be an eternity for me. :p

******BFTS - RP******

"Are you ready to show me how you have improved?" Winterwolf challenged.

Jason thought to surprise Winterwolf by running up and taking a big swing at him.

Winterwolf caught his hand and used Jason's momentum to throw him twenty feet away. "Are you concentrating on what you want to happen?"

Jason closed his eyes and imagined a big fireball engulfing Winterwolf. He opened them to see Winterwolf standing directly in front of him with a smile on his face. A fireball descended engulfing both of them. Jason screamed.

"I feel all warm and tingly." Winterwolf looked at how badly burned Jason was. Before he could comment Jason healed himself. "Well that is better but I hope you realize that you shouldn't loose track of your opponent if you can help it. You need to be able to act, react and anticipate all at once with your mind. Once you do you should be ready for the second ring."

Jason groaned as the fight continued concentrating on the different aspects of the battle.

Several hours later Winterwolf sees a girl approaching the house through one of the 5 cat's eyes. "Let's take a break. Someone is coming to the house."

The training in Jason's mind stops and Winterwolf goes to the door. He watches the girl leave and opens the door to ask her if she is lost. With the door open he spots a newspaper on the ground. Glancing at the front page he catches two headlines. Sunspots fry communications and Chemical bomb makes ice wall in local town.

**Meanwhile in a secure room filled with electronics.**

"So what did you come up with?" DC asked.

"A way for us to split NCA's power. Not only that but I know how to get him to give it to us willingly!" Netlag laughed.

The two of them grew quiet as they felt a powerful presence coming closer.

NCA appeared and demanded both of them attend him in his current task. "Soon I will have everything! Come you have neglected the duties I have given you."

******END BFTS - RP******

Good night!

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Friday, May 26, 2000 11:34:12 PM
IP: dialup-209.244.182.212.newyork2.level3.net

Is there anyplace that the Black Raven's Rp is being stored at? I know of DumaoloX's, but the link is broken to the posts part. If any one knows where I can find the back issues, I'd be more then appreciative.

Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Friday, May 26, 2000 11:33:48 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4

**walks in, shaking his head** My God, I haven't posted here since Monday ... (been posting in the Adult CR, though ...)

'S what you get when you work unexpectedly long hours. **groans** Yesterday, I worked nearly TWELVE FULL HOURS! I wanted to die by the time I got home ... **lets out a loud sigh** However, today's been much better. Today I got my headliner. It's *gorgeous!* Now all that needs doing is the paint needs to be heat-set, then it needs to be installed. And then I'll have my Goliath and Elisa mini-version of the Sistine Chapel in my car! Whoopee! **does a happy dance**

Gunjack: My thanks for your assessment of "I Am Become Death." And your fix of 20th century warfare isn't done for the season, either. **wrings hands anxiously waiting for next week's ep to be released**

Heather: Be sure to stop by the room on yer birthday, we're all gonna want to help ya celebrate yer Sweet 16. :)

Fire Storm: Actually, I now have a thought ... I already have a request for off time in for eleven days (spanning July 29th to August 8th) ... since the first two will be the last weekend before I go down, ya wanna make it that weekend when we do the get-together? I also have a thought on where to go, as well, but ya might have to navigate for me. I'll contact ye privately on e-mail. :)

**cuddles up to Mara-ko before continuing**
Lemme take a moment to thank you, my love, for letting me help you MST those stories. I had a blast. **kisses**

Christine: Magnificent storylet. :)

Newcomers: Be welcome in this house of little to no sanity. :)

DPH: I can relate, man. I was unemployed for ... **counts on fingers** seven months after I was forced to leave college. In that time, I also wound up losing my *car* (my mother's was stolen, so she took mine), whcih made the job hunt that much more difficult for a brief period of time (about a month and a half until we found the Caddy).
However, my situation doesn't compare because while I do have a sleep disorder (sleep apnea), the main thing that kept me from seeking out jobs was embarrassment over my situation.

Jenna: Congrats!

Aaron: Well, the quick turnaround time can be credited to the fact that it was *so* bad it absolutely *screamed* to be MSTed, not to mention three people doing the work. (Incidentally, Gay Dude posted to the CR that he *loved* the MSTs, because he knows for sure he's a bad writer ... "I can't write good, that's why I write porn.")

Warpmind: **groans** Ouch. That was bad.
Incidentally, most rulers are indeed 12 inches long.
Though it could have been worse ... she could've said "yardstick." **gets biffed by Mara** WHAAT?! :)

Gside: More than very much. The human versions of Broadway and Lexington were intended to be caricatures of their voice actors (Bill Fagerbakke and Thom). I posted a pic of Greg and Thom from Dallas ... although the light's a little dark, you can still tell which one is Thom. :)

**stretches out and puts an arm around Mara's shoulders** Think I'm gonna stick around for a while ...
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, May 26, 2000 11:18:56 PM
IP: 216.28.101.93

Rodlox> <<though the jars were a mite coppery>>: Eh, the copper's good for ya.
<<or i'll sic my "foul cruel beast">>: Don't forget bad tempered: Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair.

Winterwolf> <<trained attack nerd? Gside will be extremely interested. Right Gside?>>: Sure. We really should conquer College Ave. sometime soon, and a raid on Douglas wouldn't be a bad idea: the ratio of viable females has got to be better.

Starsinger> <<Lighting the Grill (as in the *entire* grill, massive flame ball)>>: Don't you just love liquid oxygen? (I didn't follow your URL, and yet I still know that it is Goerge Gobel's (holder of the Indiana UNIX licence plate, and a very famousperson in the UNIX community) homepage).

S> voice actors/Mirror: I forget where exactly I heard that, but I think it was at the online reunion meet the pros. Something about how human Lex looked so much like Thom Adcox Hernandez.

Warpmind> <>: Nice. Will we get to see it in the States, or is it just a Norwegan thing?
<>: You should be frightened. It caused my roomie no end of taunting (I got through it relatively clean), and we kept on getting calls from drunken frat boys asking for the third one. I wonder why no one called asking for free air (an alternate interpretation).
<>: Two suggestions: assume it is either i or l, or take it to be a forced space.

Fire Storm> <<NOW who do I kill? The lot boys or DC?>>: Go for them both. Couldn't hurt (us).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, May 26, 2000 10:27:33 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

**A war torn elf emerges from the shadows.**

Winterwolf>> I am rather partial to the fireball spells.

Welcome to the new people, enjoy your stay in the asylum... er CR.

Rats, just got the dinner call. Be back later with more.

**Mec grabs a knife and fork and runs out.**
Mecord
Friday, May 26, 2000 10:04:22 PM
IP: usr49.mtwest.net

Gasper: sent. <starts humming offkey>.

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Friday, May 26, 2000 09:33:46 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hey all. Couple things.

Rodlox, sent you a mail. We need to talk ASAP, We've got an offer and we should probably act pretty quick.

Doug, Thank you for the info. Very informative. Got the second batch printed out. Okay...next thing...Organization status, i.e. Who sponsers you, leadership, the such....I just need to know...because technically, my character works for The UN, but I'm sure taking leave and joining you guys is no problem.

That's all on my end. Rodlox, send me a mail tonight, and I'll share what Doug gave me. In fact, Doug, if you don't mind, I'm going to forward the RP stuff you sent me. That way, we're both informed. Later.

Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Friday, May 26, 2000 09:23:43 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4

** Niamhgold enters **

Hola, all! Just want to push Saturday and Sunday up quickly, since I have to work, and relax on Monday. (**Please don't rain, please don't rain...**) Ahem. Pardon that outburst.

DPH: I feel for you, compadre!

Winterwolf: You made a spelling mistake? Seriously, I didn't notice it; you wrote so well! Glad you liked the chocolate ;) I'm begging for a potluck flavor-cake for my B-day (with, of course, dark, rich chocolate being the icing). I'll keep you posted on the leftovers ;)

Brooklyn: 30 or so Celtic names, huh? Well, let's see. You can try:

For girls: Idelle, Kacie, Keitha, Kelcy, Alauda, Blair, Bridget/Brighid (very esteemed, name of a saint), Cailin, Deidre, Devany, Edana, Eibblin, Erin (of course :)), Melvena, Merriel, Muriel, Neala, Regan, Sheena, and Ula.

For boys: Ailin, Beircheart, Bowen, Cadell (a personal favorite of mine!), Daire, Declan, Eagan, Farrel, Innis, Kaelan, Lawler, Mayo, Odhran (means pale green), Price and Tully.

**Phew!** Hope that helps! And, if all else fails...just use Niamh ;D Keep up the hard work!

Mara: Excellent story. Eeex-cellent :)

Warpmind: The same goes for you! I just read your fic and thought it was super-good! Great job! :) :) :)

Adios, gang!
Niamhgold
Friday, May 26, 2000 08:34:05 PM
IP: lac-flex182.ncia.net

Winterwolf>> well sort of, I did not check my email for 2+ weeks and better than half of it was jokes or funny stories passed on to me. Some are so good I just have to share, and then some are just inappropriate for this room- those I pass on by request ;)

S>> true some will always take longer to grow up, but alot of that still comes down to what you have been exposed to as a kid. I fall under the "goliath" catagory, as in being reponcible from a young age, part becauyse I was the oldest and expected to help out with my younger sisters, part because we grew up in a rural situation that required everyones help.

Being required to help out with the work involved in raiing animals at a young age taught us kid's (not teenagers) how to work early on, by the time we became teenagers, we already knew basic skills, and how to truely get a job done. Our "wild oats" so to speak were sown at a younger age.

I remember one night when my sister and I were suppose to be milking the goats, we would have been 10 -12 years old then, only instead of milking we started this game playing in the rafters of the barn. Both of us were so involved in the game that we lost all track of time, and soon it was dark outside. Dad came down to the barn to give us "what for" for not doing our work, only this time instead of blowing his stack at us, he started throwing thing on the roof of the barn. This scared the "blank" out of us, in no time flat we finished milking, and hurried up to the house, only to find mom and dad having a good laugh at our expense.

But it helped to teach us to get the work done in a timely manner, and then play.

I'm way too responcible, it took some very "Brooklyn" like freinds to help me balence out my personality, not everyone can be exactly alike, life would be way too boring. I probably would have died from a heart attack by now - if not for those freinds of mine. : )

delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
twin Falls, Idaho
Friday, May 26, 2000 08:24:13 PM
IP: twin5934.magiclink.com

Starsinger comes in and lights a candle. Last day of school and one more insult to the students and teachers of this country.

LAKE WORTH, Fla., May 26 � � A 13-year-old middle-school student was arrested Friday after allegedly pulling out a semi-automatic pistol and fatally shooting his seventh-grade language teacher during the last period on the final day of classes, police said.�

Starsinger
Friday, May 26, 2000 07:08:48 PM
IP: proxy-682.public.rwc.webtv.net

Weekend is beginning, finally...I hope you all will enjoy it, while I feel I will have a lot to do...<growls slightly>

Green Baron:> Welcome back. So you made a choice, isn't it? Well, I wish you good luck for your future in military. Maybe I'm a bit in advance, you'll stay around for a while it seems...
About religion: well, the example you give is not totally right...Mother Theresa is meritoriously praised for what she did, but she did almost everything by herself and thanks to her strong will. Actually, Catholic church began to support her only after she began to grow popular, so noone except herself can be praised for her actions. The Inquisition, instead, was a wide organization, officially instituted, approved and supported by the Pope and the high ranks of Vatican, so the entire Vatican hierarcy and the Church itself has to be blamed for it...
Anyway, not-organized religions do not meet my simpathy as well...when they are not simply traps for fools, those sects show a worrying tendency to fanatism.

Winterwolf:> I'll wait eagerly for it...:)
About Gargoyles dreaming...well, I think they can dream (actually, in the series and even more in TGS they DO dream), but I think it is a bit more rare for them than for humans. I think Gargoyles dream only if they are in a particularily tense feeling (for example, if they are in anguish...). Just an opinion, anyway.

Fire Storm:> I think NOCS nearer equivalent are SWAT, with the proper differences (Carabinieri, although they usually absolve tasks of police, are part of the Armed Forces, and NOCS are considered not only anti-terrorism units, but they are also trained as an �lite unit of the Army).
So this is the true meaning of FBI...I couldn't imagine it...;)

Winterwolf:> No prob. About movie titles...there's the same problem in Italy...:(

S:> I don't want to enter the Goliath/Brooklyn debate, but I have a doubt: don't you like Brooklyn as a character, or don't you like the fact so many people like him? Just curiosity, really, and feel free to ignore the question if it offends you (and in this case, I apologize). Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I like Brooklyn for his imperfections as well as for his qualities. I can identify him with myself in many ways, more than I can do with Goliath, and I could identify myself with Brooklyn even more as I used to watch the series (I had almost his same age at the time...). I also like the way he evolves in the series, but keeping intact his personality. I like Goliath as well, and I like a lot of other characters of the series, but Brooklyn is my preferred one, and I think he'll keep on being (although Sata...).

Well, nothing more tonight. Good night to everyone.

Ciao!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Friday, May 26, 2000 06:43:47 PM
IP: h213-16-144.mi2.albacom.net

Fire Storm> Thanks for the welcome. The link was most helpful Thank you.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Mesa, Az
Friday, May 26, 2000 05:42:19 PM
IP: phx-223.treknet.net

My keyb\oard is acting up as you can see. Is it a virus?
Rain, rain, keep on coming.

What is one plus one squared? Is it 4 or 2? How do you spell (wun)? Is it one, won, or Juan? Riddle me this and riddle me that and I'll slap you with my hat. A man ran and drew his cane. What was his name?

**TD SPOILERS**
I believe Payne surived if for no other reason than the TGS staff isn't through with him yet.
**END TD SPOILERS**

2+3>|-4|

damn keyb\oard mistakes. Every time I press the left key, this happens "\" an\d I every time I press the right key, this happens "\". Ok, this isn't DC's work, Netlag's work, or Self-Reboot's work. What whose work is it? When I find out whoever you are, you are on my list to b\e electrocuted.

In other related news, the person reading this prob\ab\ly noticed this post has b\eeen useless upto this point.

B\TW, may I b\uy my sanity b\ack? If the price is too high, I'll threaten to report you as an exhortistant.

**BFTS RP will continue despite attempts b\y an unknown force to stop it**
The Speed Racers were having a meeting.

"Alex Freedman, you said our communications system is back operational. Any ideas on why it was down?" asked Fred Hitman.

"None other than mutants causing it." replied Alex Freedman. "Elaine Wiseman has been looking up the two 2 newly idenified mutants."

"The 1st one we couldn't find anything. Based on your reports, I would conclude that thermal reduction might be a power. The 2nd one we had trouble finding out. The 2nd one's name is DPH Rules. He has the power to summon lightning to do various things. It's a wonder he didn't wipe you guys out. He is rumored to possess a ring which can block attacks. That might be a problem." said Elaine Wiseman.

"Hmm. What sort of weapons do you propose we bring to fight them?" asked Fred Hitman.

"Hmm. Flame throwers. I suggest we acquire some sonic weapons. It takes concentration to take out multiple targets at once. Speaking of which, we also need to purchase some special clothing to deal with these mutants. We'll need something that's a merger of firefighter's clothing and electricians's suit. That'll protect us from our own weapons and from lightning attacks." said Elaine Wiseman.
**END BFTS RP**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Friday, May 26, 2000 05:25:16 PM
IP: max1-10.cwy.cei.net

Taleweaver> They had to have Giles sing. After all he is THE original Dr. Frank~N.~Furter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show when it was performed for the first time ever in London. He was, of course, before Tim Curry.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Mesa, Az
Friday, May 26, 2000 05:20:47 PM
IP: phx-223.treknet.net

***Possible ST:V SPOILERS***
Firestorm> RE: the asimilated captain. I'm personally absolutly certain the crew got captured on purpose. Think about it. The big plan was to introduce a nanovirus that would allow a drone to mantain its' individuality. What better way to do so than by injecting the virus into your own system and getting caught.

Evidence:
The away team's first stop was sickbay. If they were just going to carry a device loaded with the virus, they could have picked it up in the cargo bay.
Chakotae (sp?) was not bothered when they got captured. He said something like "according to plan" when it happened.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, May 26, 2000 04:59:38 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Hi! Just dropping in for some quick replies.

Rodlox> <RP info> Did DPH send you an email? Halfling in my descriptions refer to the third race. Other parts I'm not sure so I left it open ended in my descriptions. On never mind potentially. I see I need to read my new email.

Starsinger> <Twinkies> A couple of years ago I was with some friends in college and we wrote a long winded discussion on whether Twinkies were a common snack food or an interdimensional nexus between universes. I know I have a copy of it somewhere! Anyway we found the site you mentioned the next day! Actually everyone here is probably better off if I don't find it. :)

Patrick Toman> < gargoyles could dream> I was leaning towards yes myself. REM sleep is not just limited to humans after all.

S> <Brooklyn and Goliath> What I find amusing about this whole thing is how I perceive you having a somewhat similar personality to Brooklyn. Well they say opposites attract so I guess Goliath is an excellent choice for you.

Taleweaver> < 'Long Way til Morning'> I really need to get my hands on the original 66 episodes. Question: It has been years since I've seen this one so I have to ask was that a dream in stone sleep or a waking dream? I think I know what you are referring to but I vaguely remember it as more of a recollection/flashback. I liked your great thoughts on stone sleep. ^_^

Brooklyn> Hi. We have plenty to talk about. I'll send you an email a later today.

I'll be back later.

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Friday, May 26, 2000 04:16:53 PM
IP: 206.15.122.13

Hey guys haven't posted in awhile.
Just thought I'd drop by and see what was up.
The page is non existent at this point.
>Winterwolf<
How are those enhanced pics coming?
I apologise about the one line message last
night.I had to run,and I could't even finish it.
So have given any thought to co-running the page?
I'd love to have you aboard.

My fanfics are going well. You with new character designs
and that kind of stuff. In the Future Tense one
Sevarius not Xanatos is the enemy.Hudson and Broadway will die differently,and the clones will join Brooklyn's rebels.
Because lets face it, four gargoyles,one human,and a wingless mutate isn't much of a resistence.

The Irish clan isn't coming along well though.
I have to find about thirty Irish/ Celtic sounding names.
But other than that I've got the 1st 10 episodes figured.

Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 26, 2000 03:11:41 PM
IP: usr45.cqc.com

Oo-de-lally,
Do gargoyles dream? Yes, I cite for reference 'Long Way til Morning'. Do they age while in stone sleep? No. Aging by most marks is the degradation of living tissue over time. Cells get old, they die and slough off. They body replaces them. Aging in the visibile, 'twilight of our years' variety is when our bodies can't replace those cells nearly as fast as they are dying off. This differs in gargoyles because their sleep rejuvenates them to some degree and while stone sleep cells don't degrade, save for the skni cells at the surface. Did the gargoyles dream while under a magical spell? Don't know. It can go either way. Many traditional fairy tale encantados put them in a deep sleep that can't be awakened from. But Dreams resides in that light to middle sleep. Which is why you can dream a lot more taking a nap than you might if you slept for 12 hours.

Buffy Season Finale * * * Spoilers Ahead * * * Buffy Season Finale

> Good by all marks. I'm surprised people are confounded by the various dreamscapes. It was hilarious, but I got most of the meanings. it poses some interesting implications for Tara and Willow's relationship. (Provided she doesn't follow the same fate as Ms. Calendar) I hope Zander's troubles signify some character development for next season. Laughed out loud at Giles singing and the audience (especially Willow's) reaction. I'll keep my skeptical distance into reading too much into the portents the First Slayer relayed. Just more of the doom and gloom ahead. Mr. Whedon hasn't disappointed so far, so I'm optimistic. (An optimistic cynic, what are the odds of that?) All in all, I'd rate this #3 compared to the other season finales. It is pretty hard topping sending your boyfriend to hell. But in the light-hearted insight into the gang category. I'd rank it #1 above the Fear episode and the Halloween one.

Voyager: Gave up on this show about a season ago, so I'm nonplussed about it. Voyager doesn't take chances. This is sort of in the same vein as the Dinosaur discussion in the main CR. Star Trek can't change the landscape as I call it. Having things interesting and permanent happen to the characters. Consequently the stories have become predictable and the characters static. It's nice to see Tom and B'lanna together, but have they really grown in obvious ways because of their relationship. It's just stale and there are alternatives worth watching.

Got to go

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, May 26, 2000 02:15:38 PM
IP: wwweic.engineering.csupomona.edu

All right... NOW who do I kill? The lot boys or DC?

The last line was supposed to be:

Janine: Welcome! The link below is to a page that has all of the CR images, CR colors, and CR rules
Fire Storm
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:43:38 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com

Warpmind: _BRIMSTONE_ is a tv series {it may get renewed...right now, its in syndication heaven}.

Rodlox
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:38:04 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Warpmind enters, puffing on a cigar, placing the belt of it on the table. The belt reads "Fuente Fuente OpusX Robusto".*
Don't worry, you anti-Castro guys; it is Dominican. I celebrate with this highly expensive pieve of rolled tobacco because I have been elected to participate in a documentary about living with Asperger's Syndrome. The documentary will be recorded in mid-June. On Lanzarote. All expenses paid. *WHEE!*

Kyryn: Actually, my mind *is* the sewer. ;) (But hey, at least I am not writing lemons... yet. Imagine the potential *there*.)

Rodlox: Uh, no, 'fraid the name doesn't ring a bell. Is it a comic, a TV show, a movie, or what? (Just for reference material.)

Mara: Love that MiSTing of yours... though one small thing: you stated that 12 inches is a ruler; I always thought it was a foot... ;) (and, considering the situation in which that line appeared, well...)

Shadowrider: Oh, thanks for the info. I doubt the title is the same in Norway (for some reason, movie titles tend to be mutilated - nay, molested - in Norway. One example is the Van Damme movie "AWOL" - in Norway it is titled "Wrong Bet".)

Gside: Um... I don't know which number was yours (and I'm a bit frightened to guess, actually), but my number interprets to... well... nothing that can make any sense, anyway. (I can't find any letters assigned to the digit 1, so that kinda makes my number complicated...) :(

Rodlox: Actually, Arthur didn't really sleep for a thousand years; remember, time on Avalon flow at 1/24 of the rate on Earth, so he *actually* slept for about 60 years. As for how he didn't age, well, it was a magical sleep designed to rejuvenate him, wasn't it? :)

Archwolf: Same thing, you say? Okay, then... but I know one thing which is worse... If you come over to Norway sometime, I'll show you a movie. A Norwegian drama film called "The Ice Castle" (or something like that); I present the action: two girls stare at each other. They pretty much keep staring at each other for the next few hours. One girl disappears. The other girl stares for another few hours. The end.

Well, later, guys.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:34:41 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

<<The death of Sata? 
Lex, on the other hand...>> Lex is going to kill Sata? {oir is Sata going to kill Lex?}.

<<on Avalon, Arthur Pendragon was asleep for over a thousand years {aka - longer than Wyvern}.> TECHNICIALLY, Arthur was only asleep for about 60-65 years.>> okay, i'll not argue with that {temporal flux-physics not being my strong suits}...but Arthur came from a time when a man 50 or 60 years old was like being 105 years old nowadays: it can happen, but it's not terribly common. so this would make Arthur - what? - 80 or 90 years old?

he sure knows how to keep his boyish figure, eh? ::)

Rodlox
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:31:26 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Archwolf enters the room, swaying slightly* Just gave blood. Fun. Incompitent crew. Arm hurts like hell.
*looks over posts* Wow. Another grunt..er, soldier. First Jaden, then ShadowRider, then Green Baron. *Looks around for recruiting posters* Well Green Baron, good luck, and pray that you don't get assigned to the 82nd Airborne. The people I know who come out of that unit describe it as a reall hell hole. We really do need to have parties for ShadowRider and Green Baron before their respective dates of departure.

Work just got scary. They started talking about unionizing lastnight. I am anti-union (mainly because i don't believe there are more than one or two out there that are not out to screw their ppl worse than the company they work for). I think I may have to quit my job soon. On a good note, though, they compared me to John Henry lastnight. I out-produced out automatic machine. That was fun.

Gside><<Did we ever figure out what to do with such concentrated sanity when the time arises?>>I don't think so. Maybe we could save it till a time when sanity is at a premium, sell it off, then buy the rights to Gargoyles.

Christine>We'll keep our fingers (or paws) crossed for you!

Kyryn>Oh well, it was a peice of junk anyway. I guess it's a good thing it was destroyed when my computer crashed.

Warpmind><<? What about the clothing that was oh-so-popular in the 70's? That, I reckon, was *WAY* worse than the music...>>As i see it, the music and clothes are part-and-parcel. Same thing. No diff. All evil.

**Quickie RP**
One ShadowWolf and Mecord entered the umbra and were away form where the rest of the group would have been, ShadowWolf grabbed the Elf. He searched his shoulder and collar, finding the tracker Warpmind had planted. When ShadowWolf was certain that there were no backup devices, he relaxed. "Can't have your friends following us. THis is a private meeting. DANA! A lost son needs your help!" after a moment, a female spirit appeared. Through the mastergem, Mecord could feel this spirit's power. The spirit shook her head. "Lost? I think not. ShadowWolf, you dissappiont me. We gave you a new life, new chance. WHy did you throw it away?" The werewolf ignored what had been said. He took the tracker and the gold chain that held SJ's spirit and handed them to the spirit. "Be quiet, old woman. Just take these to the elder spirit talker at the Initiative Caern in Belfast. Tell him that some....people will be comming for these. Oh, and tell the old bastard I said hi."
The spirit looked hard at the wolf, then the elf, and faded away. "Now. Onto the meeting."
**End RP**

Archwolf runs out the door, almost late for work

Shade and Sweet water!!

Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:26:23 PM
IP: pumpkin-b-32.mcmurray.nb.net

DERN LOT BOYS!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:25:29 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com

Shadowrider: <ere in Italy NOCS is the name of the anti-terrorism special units of Carabinieri...sorry, but I don't know exactly what is the U.S. equivalent>
Here it is most likely either the SWAT team or the FBI (OR, depending on exactly what kind of bomb, I am sure they would bring in a HAZ-MAT team)
SWAT: Special weapons and tatics
FBI: Federal Bureau of Incompentcy :)
HAZMAT: Hazardous Materials

David G: <This time the Captain PLANNED to get assimilated.>
It definately seemed like it. I mean, come on... would he REALLY just leave her on the ship if it wasn't the plan?

Skyrender: <Skyrender, Closet Gargoyle>
Must... not... make... bad...joke...

Ordell: <As for the stories getting darker. You'll all understand in due time>
The death of Sata? 
Lex, on the other hand...

Skippy: <AS SKIPPY WILL BE ATTENDING A-KON!>
Just remember to post photos!

Rodlox: <on Avalon, Arthur Pendragon was asleep for over a thousand years {aka - longer than Wyvern}.>
TECHNICIALLY, Arthur was only asleep for about 60-65 years.

Janine: Welcome! The link below is to a page that has a
Fire Storm - [<--- Clickie for TGS CR page!]
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:17:12 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com

delphi-->"Goliath may have had a "rebellious" stage..." I don't think he really had a chance to go through a "rebellious" stage. "...and desiring to be accepted as an adult." I think the older clan members were already accepting Goliath, and a few others, as adults. They probably saw great potential in him in his warrior-trainee stage to become a great warrior or more and started pressuring him to excel above almost everyone else. Not wanting to disappoint his elders, Goliath was probably forced to "grow-up" before his time and do the very best he could do with everything thrown his way. I wouldn't be suprised if something like that helped shaped the way he is. Goliath was amazingly mature even before the whole Wyvern tragety happened. For the TGS saga, it took Brooklyn years and years of time travelling to become even half as mature as Goliath, and he's now older than Goliath. That should tell you something there.

Warpmind-->"...shall we just agree to disagree," Yes, sure, whatever.

Gunjack-->"but the eye corrupts the wearer no matter what they do," Yes, that's right. "...and they're not really responsible for their actions while possessed." Well, I think the people intentionally put the eye on for selfish reasons, like the Archmage for example, then they are responsible. But if they put it on not knowing what it would do to them, like Fox, or because they think it is the only way to save people's lives, like Goliath, then they aren't. Hey, isn't it something how, all three times, Goliath was the one who removed the eye? Wow, he never ceases to amaze me!

"Ooooockay, too many techinals for me..."*lol* Sorry about that. "Glad to meet you, by the way..." Nice to meet you, too.*smiles* I really didn't understand the rest of what you said to me.

Gside--> "That's because they modeled the humans the voice actors." Really? Hmmm...

Mara--> "What about in "The Eye of the Storm"?" Wha? I don't understand what you're talking about. He didn't do that for his own personal gain. He did it because he thought it would save everyone's life, not because he wanted some female to like him. There really is no connection between what Brooklyn did in "The Kingdom" between what Goliath did in "The Eye of the Storm". "Goliath is not above corruption." Who says he isn't?

About the mimicking thing, Brooklyn in "Future Tense" 'tried' to copy some of Goliath's behaviorisms and did an awful job at it. I didn't notice it myself until somebody else mentioned it, and went back to watch it and realized they were right. Go see for yourself if you have that episode. See how Brooklyn tries to talk like Goliath, doing Goliath's rumblings, and walk Goliath, too. Tsk, tsk, tsk. He needs to get a deeper and richer voice before he tries to do the Goliath rumble because he sounded really ridiculous. I nearly burst out laughing.

Robby-->"...and Hudson has been staying indoors alot." Huh? I thought Hudson goes outside for his stone sleep just like everyone else...or are you talking about something else?

Sevarius Jr.--> *sigh* "What's the deal with Brooklyn, though? I mean you seem to have an unhealthy dislike for him." So what? Plenty of people have an "unhealthy" dislike for Goliath but hardly anyone gets on them, now do they? I am tired of Brooklyn, that's why I dislike him. I wish people would get off of him and pay attention to other characters, like Griff or something. Anyone else, it doesn't have to be Goliath. I 'still' don't see what so special about Brooklyn, so what? I have a right to dislike someone if I want to. Not everyone is going to like Brooklyn.

Rodlox-->"umm...did anyone tell you that_Future Tense_ wasn't real?" Neither is anybody in the show. But where did I say that it was? "...and bitter is the least of the emotions he's feeling-anger, hate, spite, and a few others are in charge," Wha? I have recently watched "Awakening"...

"if you recall,_Future Tense_ was something from *Puck's* mind, not Brooklyn in charge." Well, if I remember correctly, 'that' Brooklyn, from Puck's mind, was in charge and Mara was comparing 'that' Brooklyn with Goliath and I had to tell her I strongly disagreed with that. "um...reference ep what?" Wha? I already answered that in my post to Mara.

S
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:16:02 PM
IP: ip62.tacoma18.wa.pub-ip.psi.net

**TIMEDANCER COMMENTS/SPOILERS**

As to be expected from TGS, another well written story, although it did somehow feel shorter than usual. (It's probably due to the fact that this specific episode isn't revolving around a specific romantic plotline - those usually feel longer because of the sheer amount of emotion that is usually involved.)

SPECTIO and EGEUS - Introducing the two of them was a nice touch but the really powerful moment is when it's realized that they aren't going to be saved - that added a lot of depth to the episode. There was a sort of last minute save by Brooklyn in the form of Celer but it would have stretched disbelief completely if everyone introduced by name was saved. But on the other hand by introducing them and having them die inside of a few minutes, it did kind of feel a bit like they were just brought in so that they could die at the end and highten the emotion involved rather than having them be around for any real need in the story itself. Payne after all could have found his way around without them.

I had mixed feeling on their belief in the Greek gods - it's understandable and not a really unbelievable but it still sort of stands out to me for some reason. I always had this feeling that the Greek gods weren't really taken that seriously by the beginning of the Common era even before Christianity - that what little was being done in the way of worship was more Emperor worship than anything else. Still again it's not an obstacle to enjoying the story. If they had been upper class Romans then I would have a hard time believing it - but since they were likely to be less educated than that it can be a bit more believable.

PAYNE/LOKI - Just last week I was so happy that Brooklyn had a travelling companion who he didn't get along with, that made a perfect odd couple scenario. And now Payne is out of the picture (at least for a while). This felt like it was way too rushed. Last episode he gets power and this episode he turns into a crazy halfling? This is the sort of thing that feels like it should have built up for a few episodes, with the power inside Payne slowly building up, combining with his hatred to make him burst out later on. Like this he goes crazy and gets dumped in first century Italy.

It wouldn't bother me so much but it gets rid of that travelling relationship - why should Brooklyn have to travel with someone he's going to be getting along with splendidly? Payne at least had the potential of keeping Brooklyn's life difficult even without powers which always makes for great stories. And he did serve a usefull purpose besides that - he kept Brooklyn's mind from being entirely focused on Sata. The two of them argued enough that Brooklyn was distracted and didn't have to think so much about his possibly dead wife. Now he's got Celer with him - and the kid just isn't going to be the same as Payne. It's going to get pretty depressing if Brooklyn doesn't have something to occupy his mind. The last episode had not only adventure but also that bit of distraction that kept the episode from becoming depressing.

And as for Payne in this episode - I could buy this departure from how he was acting last time and his having a fragmented memory more than last time because this time a legitimate cause can be pointed too - he's possessed by a portion of Loki. And I'm sure that he's going to pop up in later stories - after all giving freezing powers to a guy about to be trapped by a volcano is an obvious way to keep him alive. What I'm not sure about is if Brooklyn will make the trip back to this time period or if Payne will get trapped in Pompeii until a future time period or if Payne will get free and wander around for a couple of centuries. After all with Loki as part of him, it's possible that his lifespan is going to be extended by one or two thousand years.

PANDORA DEBATE - I think that this episode pretty much puts that debate to bed. Brooklyn's concentration in this episode is focused on Sata. And if something had happened with Pandora then he would have been thinking about that in connection with his thoughts about Sata. So it seems more probable that nothing happened than that something happened.

CELER - Now that he's seemed to replace Payne as a travelling companion (that's the impression that I got at the end of the episode) I hope that he at least stays interesting and perhaps a bit at odds with Brooklyn. Otherwise this pairing could degenerate into a Batman/Robin type of thing which wouldn't be that much fun at all.

(On second thought:

CELER: Brooklyn, look out! It's Two-Fac... er, Cyoti!
BROOKLYN: Don't worry Old Chum, I see him. *POW* *ZAP* *BLAM*!)

All in all the episode was good in that it had a lot of forward movement. At the same time a lot of that movement felt like it should have happened over a greater span of time.

**END OF TIMEDANCER COMMENTS/SPOILERS**
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, May 26, 2000 09:46:55 AM
IP: 146.245.243.28

Green Baron> Actually I'm more Agnostic than anything else, but since my father is Jewish, and almost all my friends in RL, if I had to pick one, I'd pick Jewdism (sp?).
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 26, 2000 09:14:17 AM
IP: dialin-331-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Mara:
Oooo, pretty MiST. I'm actually tempted to write a bad fanfic (wouldn't be hard for me) just for the honor of having you rip it apart. :)

^_^ flattering as that is..

bite your tongue!

Actually have you seen the piece of c-r-a.. (hmm what's that last letter?) that's been posted about Fang and Claw? It's like one of those Dr. Think Mists you see floating about *SHUDDER*. I refuse to touch it... I have my pride. It's sad but there seems to be a run in BAD m/m fiction...
which stinks because it could be an awesome angle, when handled properly. (Byrdie Fae, for instance, would kill to see a Goliath/Kai match-up, because of Bushido)

Ah well..
Mara Shinigami Cordova
Friday, May 26, 2000 08:02:36 AM
IP: spider-we041.proxy.aol.com

Aging is a biological property of the physical body. Dreaming (and thought) is an intangible property of consciousness, and since the mind doesn't necessarily require the body to be active to be thinking, then yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable that gargoyles could dream just as humans dream.
Patrick Toman
Friday, May 26, 2000 06:57:44 AM
IP: ac93e91f.ipt.aol.com

For those of you who really, really need something to do this summer.

Strawberry Pop-Tart Blow-Torches
http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~pmichaud/toast/

The Twinkies Project (look at the rapid oxidation test) http://www.twinkiesproject.com/

Lighting the Grill (as in the *entire* grill, massive flame ball) http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/
Starsinger
Friday, May 26, 2000 06:16:15 AM
IP: proxy-373.public.rwc.webtv.net

Peter: <<Actualy, the spell only put them to sleep. A human under the same spell would have continued to age and eventually die.>> and i'm sure you're right {it was only a guess.

but there's a problem with your 2nd statement, so don't think i'm attacking: on Avalon, Arthur Pendragon was asleep for over a thousand years {aka - longer than Wyvern}.

Rodlox
Friday, May 26, 2000 06:11:28 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

TD/Fire and Ice spoiler: Nice story, though it went a little fast. Guess Payne's... deterioration was the affect of the Fae magic in him being too much for his body to handle. Too bad about his dying that way. I mean really; Oberon put considerable effort into making a big change in the ocean in 'Downfall'. How could Loki, probably less than half as powerful, have prevented the vessel holding the fragment of his power from being vaporized when Vesuvius buried Pompei under (I think) more than a hundred feet of lava and ash?

Oh, well, he was an interestingly twisted character while he lasted.

Gray - [go4th@post.com]
Mass.
Friday, May 26, 2000 05:24:29 AM
IP: host131.fastdial.net

Winterwolf: Thanks for the welcome. On the comment of Gargoyles sleeping... I believe they do dream while in stone sleep. In the cartoon series Hudson dreamed of his life in Wyvern, I don't remember the name of the episode at this time though. I also think Gargoyles age half as fast as humans is Because they spend half of their life in stone sleep.

I am modeling my brothers costume after Lexington and my own after Demona. If they turn out to my liking I will post them on my web page and possibly make them for other people. Also IF I like them I want to Model other costumes after Sata, Meryt, Jerusha?, Cold-Fire, and others.

Update on me: I am currently the assistant makeup person for the Rocky Horror Picture Show in Tempe/Mesa.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Mesa, Az
Friday, May 26, 2000 03:27:32 AM
IP: phx-239.treknet.net

****TGS SPOILERS****

Fire and Ice: Good episode. I especially like Payne's growing desire to get revenge on Brooklyn. The illustration was excellent.

****END SPOILERS****

I just bought Perfect Dark and boy is it sweet!

Niamhgold> Great job on your latest story.

Green Baron> <They also lack a prerequisite of ritual and ceremony that is essential to worship> Unfortunatly one of the problems with this is that it sometimes becomes ONLY ritual and ceremony, without any true worship.

Rodlox> <Wyvern Clan didn't age because it was a magic spell on them> Actualy, the spell only put them to sleep. A human under the same spell would have continued to age and eventually die.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Friday, May 26, 2000 01:24:32 AM
IP: dial-289.ocis.net

Winterwolf: thanks.

Winterwolf: Wyvern Clan didn't age because it was a magic spell on them {even Demona had one}...OH NO!!...

Sales Announcer Voice: "Magic spells, on sale now. get one of your very own! never age a day, become something you love to hate! hurry, supplies are limited!, our operators are standing by...."

Gasper: Sent.

Rodlox
Friday, May 26, 2000 12:04:55 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

A random thought on gargoyles. Gargoyles don't age while in stone sleep. Proof: The Wyvern clan that was in stone sleep for a thousand years and did not age. Would this mean they are in some form of suspended animation with minimal brain activity and don't have dreams? In case that didn't make sense the question is do you think gargoyles dream in their sleep? I know in the several TGS stories gargoyles dream but does this seem reasonable if a gargoyle doesn't age at all while sleeping? Maybe I'm just sleepy but I figured I'd attempt to start a gargoyle discussion. I could probably find Greg's answer but I'll wait on that for now. I respectfully ask for your personal opinions first, before someone posts well Greg said... Thanks. :)

Rodlox> I'll send you a summary of what is going on in BFTS soon. After you check it out just let DPH and me know if you want in.

Just making a quick fix on my post to Niamhgold

Niamhgold> Look at that. I offer to send you an email for little points on grammar and I can't even post without making a mistake myself. :D Mistake - The second 'and' should not be in the following sentence: I'll look it over again and send you and email for any grammatical issues. ^_^ I guess that's the point of having an editing staff. ;)

I'll be back tomorrow.

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:56:24 PM
IP: 1cust203.tnt16.nyc3.da.uu.net

Rodlox, send me a message, and I'll reply that way.

Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:24:10 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Hi friends! Another good TD! It was such a quick read. Maybe I've improved my reading speed? Cheers to the staff for another great job! :)

Janine> Welcome to the CR Janine! <Gargoyles on cable> If only I could get Toon Disney (or whatever cable channel it is on) and enjoy the series again myself. It just isn't on any of the channels I have. :( <professional Costume Designer/Seamstress> Having a professionally designed gargoyle costume would be totally awesome! If only I could get one too. Are you modeling the costume after a character or is going to be an original creation? Oh well, I'd love to see what it looks like when you are finished. Maybe you could take a picture and show off your skill on the web. ^_^

Jenna> Congratulations Jenna. I'm glad to see you are so happy! Let me wish you all the best for your full time job! :)

Niamhgold> *Winterwolf has some chocolate and becomes extremely hyper* I'll look it over again and send you and email for any grammatical issues. It will be a short email of course because you did such a great job! ^_^ <b-day> Give your pal another happy b-day for me.

Shadowrider> I agree with Niamhgold. We need to give you a party before you go and an even bigger party when you return! ;)

Mecord> <The epic two day battle against DC> In honor of Mecord's difficult battle against DC I present the CR with a tale of Mecord's deeds these past two days. :D

There was an elf his name Mecord
He tried to post but met the horde
DC guided them to block Mec's path
But DC underestimated Mec's wrath
Mec's fireball burned the horde away
Now only DC was blocking the way
Mecord blasted DC into the floor
DC had enough he could take no more
Mecord had won and claimed his prize
A mighty spell was cast and DC dies
Now DC restored lives in fear
For our hero Mecord give a mighty cheer

The End
I hope you enjoyed this tale. If you didn't well I never forced you to read it you know. ;)

Aaron> <Trained attack nerd?> As recall you brought up the idea of the trained attack nerd a while back. Are you implying Militant Nerd = Trained attack nerd? Does this mean Gunjack Valentine qualifies as a trained attack nerd? Gside will be extremely interested. Right Gside?

Delphi> You are really going all out this week. Are you making up for the weeks we didn't see you and your jokes in CR? ;D

Rodlox> <Jars of sanity> Other then the slight metallic taste how was the concentrated sanity? This is why you haven't been hungry lately isn't it? ;) <RP> Which RP are you looking to join? I completely welcome you to the RP I'm involved in but as it is more DPH's than mine you need his okay. Looks like he says okay. :) I'll send you an email to update you on what is going on. In the meantime you can check out http://www.cei.net/~dphofrules/chrons/dphrp.html for the full RP from it's beginning.

Speaking of RP:

******BFTS - RP******

Shortly after DPH and Plastique leave Winterwolf creates a link with DPH's 5 cats. They do not want to cooperate with Winterwolf so he bribes them with a little fresh seafood and the promise of more seafood if they take turns looking at what is going on outside the house. Once Winterwolf goes into the refrigerator and sets a dish of seafood for each cat they agree to help. With some effort he manages to see what they can see.

Winterwolf goes to Jason and says, "You had a long enough break. Time to continue training."

"What about the group that just attacked recently? Shouldn't we be ready in case they come back? Last time I completely lost track of what was going on." Jason replied

"It's taken care of. DPH's cats are keeping their eyes open for us. I'll know immediately if anything happens. Let's begin."

**Meanwhile in a secure room filled with electronics.**

"I want to make that wolf immortal so I can torture him to death every day!" DC shouted.

"You know there's been nothing to do since NCA disrupted all communications technology. I so miss slowing internet connections down almost to a complete stop. Timed Out is such a beautiful phrase." Netlag said in an attempt to soothe DC.

"Yes. That is fun. Then just when they think they are going to get what they want online... I disconnect them. Sometimes I'll crash their computer and even destroy some of their hardware for a good laugh." DC's mood improved as he spoke about the way it used to be. He sighed and added, "NCA will never let us have these pleasures again and there is nothing we can do."

"I have an idea that can gives us back what we had and so much more." Netlag's finger traced down DC's face. She had a Cheshire cat grin as she eyed DC. He smiled wondering what she had in mind. Then he moved in and kissed her passionately.

******END BFTS - RP******

Good night everybody!

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:19:39 PM
IP: 1cust203.tnt16.nyc3.da.uu.net

Rodlox- It's going to take a while for me to get into the RP that the CR folks are doing....so I have an idea. and I hope you don't mind me asking, but, why not join forces, we're both trying to get in, and if we start our own little adventures in the RP world, unless you are interested in the BfTS. I'd prefer to go into the CR RP, and I figure this way, we might just impress somebody. Send me a profile of your character, and I'll send you something tonight on mine, and let's start talking. I figure this way, we both win. Besides, I have to take care of some guys in AREA 51 for Doug without letting them meet Doug and company...maybe we meet eachother there, and find we need to stray from their group, which would help them, thus, they can decide to meet us when they want. Let me know ASAP so we can work up some ideas. I'll send you my profile and a sample of some of my work tonight.

I also extend this to the Rp'ers here. If you want a profile and sample of how I work, I would be more then willing. I currently have a Zip file with .doc---> Word docments. If you can read the format or want an HTML format, let me know, and I'll send something to you. Just request either here or at the address.

That's all on my end. DOug, still awaiting what you say, but if Rodlox wants to get in on this too, it'd be an interesting entry point unless you Rod have an idea. Let me know soon. See ya all.

PS, Yeah, I think it was JaneWay's idea....though they made it look very convincing....who knows. But in a way, they're still quite original for Voyager. I don't mind it...but then again, I'm not really a Trekkie, I just enjoy watching it without having to worry about EVERY SINGLE PLOT AND MECHANICAL detail.

Okay, now I"m done.

Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:19:18 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4

DPH: _ANY_ RP!! {BfT Saga, the one where the CR folks are fighting the forces of evil}...I don't care which!!!

sorry...starting to loose it. {no snide remarks - or i'll sic my "foul cruel beast" {rrabbitt} on you}!!

Rodlox
Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:40:24 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hi all again, wow this is great getting in here again so much (I really should be working on other things, but oh well they will get done eventually)

There were some comments going on comparing Goliath and Brooklyn earlier, and I quickly scanned them, but I don't remember anyone bringing up age differences. Goliath may have had a "rebellious" stage like we see Brooklyn going through....it is part of finding one's own self, and desiring to be accepted as an adult. Whereas we are already seeing Goliath bearing the mantle of responsibility and leadership. A good leader is tempered by the burdens of those under their charge, and must make choices based on more than selfish needs. Brooklyn and Goliath's relationship in the canon series reminds me so much of a parent and teenager trying to adjust to the changes in their relationship. Goliath of accepting the youth as grown up and worth trusting with responciblity, and Brooklyn in understanding that sometimes as an adult you don't get to do what you would rather be doing, but must bear the burdens that are set before you. enough of my take on the issue, and if anyone else brought it up, I'm sorry I missed your post.

Here's a great joke:

A language instructor was explaining to her class that French nouns, unlike their English counterparts, are
grammatically designated as masculine or feminine. Things like 'chalk' or 'pencil,' she explained, would have a
gender association although in English, these words were of neutral gender.

Puzzled, one student raised his hand and asked, "What gender is a computer?"
The teacher wasn't certain which it was, and so divided the class into two groups and asked them to decide if a
computer should be masculine or feminine. One group was comprised of the women in the class, and the
other of men.

Both groups were asked to give four reasons for their recommendation.

The group of women concluded that computers should be referred to in the masculine gender because:

1. In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on.
2. They have a lot of data but are still clueless.
3. They are supposed to help you solve your problems, but half the time they ARE the problem.
4. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that, if you had waited a little longer, you could have had a better
model.

The men, on the other hand, decided that computers should definitely be referred to in the feminine gender
because:

1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic.
2. The native language they use to communicate with other computers is incomprehensible to everyone else.
3. Even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval.
4. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself spending half your paycheck on accessories
for it.

have a great day!
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, idaho
Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:28:54 PM
IP: twin6228.magiclink.com

**RP RELATED**
Rodlox, which RP? If anyone wants to enter the BFTS RP, just email Winterwolf and I and we'll bring you up to speed and put you in.
**END RP RELATED**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 09:59:45 PM
IP: max1-29.cwy.cei.net

Gside: <<Did we ever figure out what to do with such concentrated sanity when the time arises?>> ::rubs belly:: not too stringy, really....though the jars were a mite coppery.

Rodlox
Thursday, May 25, 2000 09:11:35 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Guys, Gals...and everybody else:

can i take part in the RP?? i asked before, and i don't recall what answer i got....and i tried entering the RP, and my entry got ignored.

well...??

Rodlox
Thursday, May 25, 2000 09:10:07 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Gasper> <<jumped without looking (story of my life sometimes.)>>: But is it a good quality for a dragoon?

Gunjack> <<spent way too much of my day in pointless arguement w/ my little sister>>: But the important thing is: did you win?
<<Great song today!>>: Thank you. Thank you very much.
<<I'm listening to it right now in between "Rob Mckenzie">>: That's right, I forgot I already put it up. Heh, heh.
<<That sounds vaugly disturbing>>: But oh, so addictive.
<<So what does that make me? *thinks for a bit* A Militant Nerd, maybe?>>: We need more of those.
<<"They all hate us anyhow... /So let's drop the Big One now! | -Warren Zevon >>: Nope, Randy Newman.

New Timedancer: Very nice. Not much else to say.

Archwolf> <<Someone in here (Wilek?) sticks it all into big mason jars and hides it>>: Did we ever figure out what to do with such concentrated sanity when the time arises?

Warpmind> <<As for Marrok, I said I was looking for him, but never why>>: Then I must have made the logical jump with the evidence of your prvious stories, and your search for a new knight. Of course, I am saying this now, well after you have revealed your plan.
<<I'll go check what my number turns out to be, if it makes a sensible word>>: One of the ones I gave out before was mine. See if you can guess which one.

Welcome back Green Baron.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, May 25, 2000 08:55:35 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Hello eevryone. I knwo I have been lurking for quite a while, though I am perfectly fine. I just have been busy and haven't had much to say.

I do have something to tell everyone, though a few people know already. Two Saturdays ago, I was sworn in as a Private First Class in the US Army. I will howeve be in New Olreans until January 30, when I am sent off to Basic Training. I have eight months to get myself in shape, which I think I can do. I will also be promoted to a Specialist as soon as I graduate from Loyola in mid-December, and I will be sent to Fort Sill in Oklahoma for Basic Training. Afterwards I will be sent for Advanced Training to be a Finance Specialist in Ft. Jackson, SC,a nd finally, Ft. Benning, GA for Airborne where I wil learn how to jump out of a plane (and yes, I get a $3,000.00 bonus to do that).

Once that is done by June, I will be given an assignment. Regrettably, I do not think I will be able to make G2001 in Los Angeles, unless I start accumulating vactaion days (2.5 per month) right after Basic. I will also be offline during Basic, but I should have Internet access, when I'm in Ft. Jackson.

I will eventually apply for OCS to become an Officer, though I figured I shoudl agin soem experience as an Enlisted man, before I would actually lead them.

Now, on to topics of converstaion.

Organized Religion> I find that the more organized a Religion is, the more easily the bad stuff can be contained. The Catholci Church is guilty of many crimes, though this is due to secular power and corruption (which happens whenever Church and State are not seperate entities (this is also true on the other side of the coin, like post-Revoluitionary France, Communist China, and Washington DC, where Government is their god). I also cannot ignore the contributions of organized religion to social justice (which should never be done by a government entity at all), and various charities. A good example would be the Salvation Army, which is a denomination almost entirely devoted to charity, or the Knights of Columbus, and let's not forget Mother Teresa's deeds. It is hypocritical at how human nature is praised for the actions of a Mother Teresa, yet Organized Religion gets the full blame for something like the Inquisition. Which is it? One or the other, or both, but this selective method of blame and creidt is unfair and closed-minded.

Besides, I have some experience with religions that aren't organized and they are not good ones. They also lack a prerequisite of ritual and ceremony that is essential to worship.

SJ> I'm glad you're dad is doing much better. I doubt I'd be as upset if that happened to my dad.

Heather> I'm glad you're posting again. Now, I wonder where Anne is. I wish you told me about teh Econ exam. I coudl have helped, if I didn't go off on a long-winded tangent.

Cassandra> I'm happy to see you again, fellow Louisianian. I hope you stay for a while. How much more time do you have at LSC?

Mandolin> You call your boyfriend the boy. Funny, that's what Merlin Missy calls her hubby.

GXB> <<I'm not going to get into Jesus because as a Jew, my beliefs are a little different.>> Funny, I always thought you were Catholic, since your mom is.

Aaron> But nothing will compare to BraveHeart.

New York Senate Race> I am much more enthusiastic about Lazio than I ever was about Guiliani. I hope he sends that WASP B**** back to Arkansas so she can divorce Bill.

Now for an RP!!
**Albany, NY

Governor Pataki has been in his office with the State Party Chairman for the last few hours and a decision has been reached.

"With Upchuck..er Senator Schumer's untimely demise, I will appoint Rep. Peter King to fill in his seat and Rick Lazio shall now replace Mayor Guiliani as a candidate for Moynihan's seat."

Meanwhile in the People's Republic of Maryland
"Comrade Craig, how much longer until little Elian is returned to me as a trophy against the capitalist oppressors?"
"Soon, Fidel, soon. We must deal with this currnet court case, and then we'll return him."
Greg Craig hangs up his secret line as he sits back and waits for his next move while thinking about how he captured Attila (read Mara's fic for that detail).**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, May 25, 2000 08:45:22 PM
IP: proxy1-external.elmwd1.la.home.com

ATTENTION:

D/FW folks-Guess what? Thanks to a recent career change and the resulting opening in my schedule, THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS KLINGON WARRIOR OF EPIC LEGEND KNOWN FAR AND WIDE AS SKIPPY WILL BE ATTENDING A-KON!

Rejoice as you feel is necessary , that is all...
Skippy The Klingon - [skippy_the_klingon@yahoo.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 08:14:06 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-01.ultravision.net

Gathering Quest > thanks, it was fun! But I don't know about writing more ... I am not worried about _scaring_ Greg but I do worry about making him _mad_ ; )

Psych eval of Jericho > now, that might be fun ... I could write up an entire chart for him as done by Gustav Sevarius ... LOL!

Progress report > John Kovalic's introduction arrived yesterday, Igor enthusing to Matt about the book (for those who are familiar with DT); I LOVE it! Will be sending off the whole shebang to the printers on Saturday -- realized at the last minute that _we_ were supposed to file for the ISBN. So it will be a race to see if they get here in time for the con; they _should_ but it's gonna be close ... ::bites nails::

Fanfic Update > began work on one titled "Lylth" the other night, which will focus on Demona and how she happened to escape the firey pit to return to the real world. I also had some terribly evil ideas the other day, for developments at least a year down the line. No chance I'll be quitting anytime soon! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 07:29:37 PM
IP: 07-154.009.popsite.net

Just a quick post before sleeping.

Janine:> I'm sorry, I missed you last time I came here. Welcome here, make yourself at home. Someone already suggested you to deposit your sanity, isn't it? Don't worry, it hurts just a little...;)

*** WARNING TD SPOILER ***

Nice episode. Not as good as others this season, but good anyway, as we have come to get used by Timedancer. Just a little thing: in ancient Pompeii it is a little unprobable there's a street called "Via dell'Abbondanze"...rather a "Via Ubertatis". "Via dell'Abbondanze" is wrong in Italian too, it is supposed to sound "Via dell'Abbondanza"
Anyway, as I said, a good episode. And we got rid of Payne as a travelling companion...I have to say, after just a handful of episodes I was already tired of him. As an enemy...well, we'll see.
7 - 8 /10 to me.

END SPOILER

Archwolf:> As a former Catholic and now agnosthic, I agree with you about organized religions. Actually, in reading History, it is easy to notice how many of the worst atrocities mankind committed have been caused by religion, more or less directly.

Jenna:> Some good news sometimes...congratulations, and good luck.

Niamhgold:> Hm...there are already two goodbye parties for me in the next weeks, one by my chorus and one by my friends (the two groups are not totally separate, BTW...) so one or two more will not hurt for sure. I enjoy parties, but for sure I'll prefer "Welcome back" parties to "Goodbye" parties. (BTW, the above is the thing I had forgotten before...)

Warpmind:> Detective Stone is the main character of a movie released some years ago and played by one of my preferred actors, Rutger Hauer. The title is "Detective Stone" (easy to guess, isn't it?) and it is about a detective in a future metropolis who tries to stop a serial killer that seems not really human...

OK, nothing more...See you all tomorrow.
Good night to everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, May 25, 2000 06:07:28 PM
IP: h213-16-109.mi2.albacom.net

Jenna & Kyryn>> congrats on the jobs

here's another cute story before I head out to the laundermat...

> ~TRUE STORY~(at least that's what someone says)

>A teachers had a kindergartner come up to her and say that he found a frog.

> The teacher asked if the frog was alive or dead.
> The student said it was dead.
> The teacher asked how he knew.

> > The boy said, "I pissed in it's ear."
> > The teacher said, "You WHAT?"

> > He said, "You know, I went to his ear and said, 'PSST!' and it didn't move. So it must be dead."

catch you'll next time!
Delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Thursday, May 25, 2000 06:04:14 PM
IP: twin6243.magiclink.com

Jenna> Congratulations.

SJ><<Hey, look how macho and cool I am. I'm climbing rocks without a line!>> Pretty bad when Tom Cruise has to steal from Shatner, isn't it?

Gunjack><<A Militant Nerd, maybe?>> Trained attack nerd?

Mara> My god but you work fast. It seems like just yesterday that story went up, and here it is, MiSTed.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, May 25, 2000 05:56:46 PM
IP: ppp-167.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

****** TGS SPOILERS ******

Good story. I could insert a lame joke here about it being "cool," but that would no doubt result in a pelting of rotten vegetables, so I will refrain.

I wonder what happened to Payne/Loki/Whatever-he-now-is? His survival was left a bit ambiguous. And if he did survive, how will he exact his revenge on Brooklyn, unless the gargoyle returns to First Century Italy? These are the questions we are left with. Good questions though...

I also wonder how long Celer will stay with Brooklyn or if his departure will be swift. Poor Brooklyn: Payne might have been insufferable, but at least he was company. There was some nice interaction between those two, but I guess that Brooklyn finally exceeded his Payne-tolerance. Still, it hurts me to see that relationship (such as it was) go out the window.

(I apologize for the preceding paragraph, but the voices made me do it.)

****** END SPOILERS ******

Winterwolf:
Thank you for the birthday wishes and the card. That cake game was freaky. Either my computer is too fast, or my reflexes are messed up because I was lousy at it. :)
----

Delphi:
Welcome back, and thank you too. I've always enjoyed your jokes. Please continue!
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CrzyDemona:
Ruler of your own domain, huh? How must we now address you: Grand High Art Chick? Her Serene Ladyship of the Canvas? The Crzy One with the Pen?
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Christine:
RE: Gathering Quest <snicker> I agree that this would make a hilarious fic. Let's see some more!
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Jenna:
Congratulations on the new job!
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Skyrender:
Coming out of the closet, eh? Have fun! :) The standard response from the staff about upcoming seasons is that they will start when they are ready. They're busy people and are working really hard to finish the stories. I'm getting very anxious myself for the main series to start again, but don't worry; it's coming.
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Janine:
Hey, we've got fans coming out of the woodwork suddenly! Enjoy!
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Mara:
Oooo, pretty MiST. I'm actually tempted to write a bad fanfic (wouldn't be hard for me) just for the honor of having you rip it apart. :)
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That's enough for now.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, May 25, 2000 05:55:27 PM
IP: ppp-04.rb5.exit109.com

CrzyDemmie-sama::

::high pitched squeal of joy:: OH MY GOD! You... you you...

::breathes::

You drew Xelloss-sama, Zelgabunny, Parsley Boy (Miki, right?) and... and..

TOUGA!!!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEE! ::Faints, revives and Glomps her:: My.. shining THING!!!

er..::detaches:: In other words, nice pic.

Think you could do one of Akio for me?
Mara Shinigami Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 04:07:52 PM
IP: spider-tm052.proxy.aol.com

Christine - RE: Gathering Quest - You realize that the disclaimer had me laughing just as hard as the story did. I wonder if I can talk Greg into reading it. >:)

NEWS in the Crzy world... I got my own DOMAIN! heh heh... web power! It is mainly for the t-shirt business that Aimee and I are working on, but The Mansion will be moving there as well. So as soon as I get the page together www.art-chicks.com will be the happening place for this Crzy gal. (and the home of a few other art chicks and a Puck :P)

YEAH!!!
CrzyDemona - [<-- latest drawing]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 03:08:17 PM
IP: mp2e6.ez2.net

I have just read Fire & Ice. very nice story (doesn't do spoilers)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, May 25, 2000 02:39:01 PM
IP: dt015n34.san.rr.com

Warpmind: Detective Stone...you don't know him?? he's only the latest in a long line of hellcops...sent to hunt down a certain group of prison escapees. ask Doug when he coomes back - he knows Stone.

"but what people forget is that even the best of jails, people can and do break out. it happened in [several high-security jails] - and a few weeks ago, it happened in Hell."

DPH: <<something while reading TD.
**TD SPOILERS**
Hmm. Why do I get the feeling we'll be seeing Payne/Loki AGAIN? On the other hand, wouldn't it be dangerous to leave Payne alive? Think of what all he could do to the Timestream or profit from his knowledge of future events.
**END TD SPOILERS**>>

i tried arguing that point in here a few weeks back....and the basic reponse the CR folks gave me is that time can't be changed, not no'how, not no'way, fae/garg/human/other...nothing can change time - so, if Payne messes with history, its because he already has messed with history.

...on that note, what bothered me about last week's ep of TD was that Payne didn't get Loki hen he was younger - it somehow happened part-way through the TimeDance.

Rodlox
Thursday, May 25, 2000 02:10:18 PM
IP: ar-lol4.bcpl.lib.md.us

**Warning. MI-2 spoiler** Personally I think they overdid the false identity mask w/ voice changeing strip bit **END spoiler of MI-2**
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, May 25, 2000 01:47:27 PM
IP: dt015n34.san.rr.com

** Niamhgold enters **

Sheesh. It's pretty bad when I spell my own name wrong and have to rewrite a post several times :) Of course, with a name like this, the hand has ample time to wander...

Shadowrider: Well, if they haven't told you about a party, maybe it'll be a surprise one! ** Throws on party hat ** Well, know that _we_ will throw you a big fiesta when the time comes! (And chocolate execution cake, as I've heard, is the food of party choice around here :)

Winterwolf: Oh, thank you so much for the feedback e-mail! I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to write back, or come to the CR yesterday, since work was grueling. I'm glad you liked it! Thank you so much (and feel free to point out those grammatical errors, so that I can change them and make the piece better :) ** Tosses Winterwolf some imaginary chocolate ** My pal had a B-day today, and I can't handle any more M & M cake! Feel free to pass it around the CR. :)

Jenna: Congrats, girl!

Crzy Demona: Wonderful pic :)

Christine: ...And "Gathering Quest" was wonderful, as well!

I think that's all I have for now...waiting for the rain to clear up!

Adios!
Niamhgold
Thursday, May 25, 2000 01:38:45 PM
IP: lac-flex139.ncia.net

***Kyryn sneaks in***

Archwolf> Nope. You never did send that fic.

Warpmind> *LOL* - No, I don't have THAT problem. The gutter? Get your mind out of the sewer! *grin*

Gunjack> A-kon is June 2-4. Click my name for a link to the con website.

Later All!

***Kyryn sneaks out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, May 25, 2000 01:25:29 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Jenna> congratulations!
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, May 25, 2000 01:10:56 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Warpmind enters, smelling faintly of a rather sweet blend of tobacco.*
Pardon the smell, guys; today was payday, and I celebrated with a cigar. :) $$$$$

Rodlox: Pardon my obvious ignorance, but who the <Censored> is Detective Stone? Oh, and just forget about the offlist discussion; you don't wanna know. ;)

Christine: Your "Gathering Quest" scene was hilarious. :) It sure lit up a rather dull day.

Gside: No need to worry; your sole was the only thing at stake. Unless you should be so foolish as to actually *stop* running, that is. ];) As for Marrok, I said I was looking for him, but never why. :) As for the phone number thing... I'll go check what my number turns out to be, if it makes a sensible word. ;)

Kyryn: If you can't get it up from home? I thank any and all deities I can name that I know you were talking about the latest TGS episode. ;) Someone help get my mind out of the gutter. :)

Janine: Welcome to the fray.

Gunjack Valentine: Ah, a B-person. :) As for the dream thing: my mistake. As for the Crusades bit, well, that was what I had in mind, too. Plus, of course, the Christening-by-force techniques used by for instance the so-called Missionaries in during the early emigrations from Europe to America. And, yes, Jehova and Allah (the last of which actually translates to something like *The* God) are one and the same. AS I recall it, it was the Archangel Gabriel (could be worong about which Archangel, though) who told Mohammed exactly what to write down.

ArchWolf: You think disco is potentially the worst thing man did to themselves? What about the clothing that was oh-so-popular in the 70's? That, I reckon, was *WAY* worse than the music...

Jenna: Congrats, girl. :)

**RP**
Warpmind blinked at ShadowWolf.
"A black gargoyle? Eyes that glow red?"
ShadowWolf frowned.
"Wouldn't know about the eye business; never really looked. Why?"
"Must be Thailog. The Illuminati have tried to get a fix on his location for the last couple of years now, ever since we lost track of him in New York..."
Warpmind cast a glance at Mecord.
"Guess I underestimated the werewolves' ability to flush out toxins from their systems, huh?"
He laid a hand on Mecord's shoulder.
"Look, to get SJ back, you gotta go with this guy here. I have a hunch about what Thailog did to him - I've heard of methods to induce a new personality matrix into a living human; I guess it works on werewolves, as well."
Retracting the hand, he straightened the collar of Mecord's clothes.
"I'll keep an eye on your lady while you're gone. And then, you can please explain what this changing business is all about, 'kay?"
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:54:45 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I GOT IT!! I GOT THE JOB!! YIPPIE!!! YEA!!! I'M PSYCHED!!

JENNA
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:49:43 PM
IP: 1cust103.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

Voyager> The last episode I saw was last season's finale (Equinox, I believe it's called). Then we lost our UPN affiliate, and I never got to see another episode. I read the novelazation of part 2 to get the story down. But, from what I've read, I'm glad I haven't seen another episode.

Timedancer> Thanks for all the nice comments. As for the story being a bit short, well, each story is just the next chapter in a much larger epic. And chapters vary in length.

As for the stories getting darker. You'll all understand in due time.

Archwolf/religion> You said "I think organized religion is the worst thing man has ever done to itself." I couldn't agree more. I myself am a self-proclaimed athiest. Mainly it's because I have trouble believing in things I can't see, or following eons-old religious text with over 30 authors and hardly any proven historical accuracy. And don't flame me about that, please. I get enough of it as it is...

Later all,
Alan "Ordell" - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa, TX
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:36:24 PM
IP: ppp-147.ode.cableone.net

**Mecord seeps out of the shadows and takes a look around**

Hi all, DC was able to fend me off untill all the comments I was going to make are now null and void. But I will hopefully be back later today to catch up with the rest.

Later.
Mecord
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:19:29 PM
IP: usr27.mtwest.net

*Gunfire can be heard near the cr. Within moments, the CR door opens, and Archwolf backs in, armed with an Aliens style smart gun. He stands at the threshold firing away, until the gunfire is ended with a loud lick as the smartgun's chamber slides home empty. Fortunately, the job is done. Archwolf remoes the weapon's eye piece and wipes his nose on the back of his hand.* Damn stupid friggin DC and friends have been making my life a living hell for the past three days. First, my ISP goes down, then my computer crashes, then my _BRAIN_ crashes, then my ISP goes down AGAIN! SHEEHS!! I hope the removal of DC and friends helps Mec out, too.

**Spoilers**
Fire and Ice was a good ep. I really liked getting to see Payne start to develope as a really bad guy. I also liked Primus being brought up. I like keeping track of who goes on to what after their initial TD appearance (which is why the Isis/Harthoth eps are my favs). The only 'problem' is that it seemed too short an ep (but then, I think they are _all_ too short).

ST:V> Hmmm....this show is really going down hill. Yipee the borg are back. Yipee our valiant crew finds a way to give em the shaft yet again. Yipee, the Delta Flier was destroyed...It just all gets so repetative. The only ep that was remotely original was the one with old, evil Kess, and that was a textbook study in how to create temporal paradox.
**End spoilers**

christianity>Even as a Catholic, I think organized religion is the worst thing man has ever done to itself. Well, exept for maybe disco.

Janine>Welcome! Feel free to stick around awhile. Read the TGS continuation of Gargoyles, Spark debates...It's all part of the fun here...just one thing: Surrender your sanity and no one gets hurt. You won't be needing it anyway. And it all goes to a good cause: Someone in here (Wilek?) sticks it all into big mason jars and hides it.

Christine> THAT was funny. You really gotta complete a fic along that line!

Robby><<WHy is Demona lily whit ein human form?>>Hmm...wel, gargoyle skin doesn't change colors, for obvious reasons, so you would think she would be a really easy burner, never having been exposed to sun and all. But then, it could be that the transition from human to gargoyle then back 'cures' her of the tan. Besides, she does tend to spend all day in the office...

Valentine><<How do you use a pole hammer to shatter a sword?>>Well, pole hammers were failyheavy. Also considering that at the time of the initial encounters btween Samurai and Mongol, the 'en garde' stance had the blade presented in front of the warrior. THe hammer swings in at high speed and hits the blade. If the Samurai hangs on, the blade shatters. If he lets go, the weapon goes flying away and the Samurai is uickly swarmed and kiled. The reason I choose the transtitional rapier and dagger or breaker is that A)The rapier is a thrusting wearon, not slashing, so it can be effective in a confined area. Also, when distance between warriors is too close to efectively wield longblade, the dagger goes from defensive to offensive weapon. Every weapon has its strenghts and weaknesses, and I am by no means putting that Katana down. I just prefer the rapier. <<Like I said, I love the sight and sound, but I'd just as soon pass on the intimate encounter... :P
..>Ride the Lightning, man, Ride the Lightning. Life just ain't fun wihout tempting death.

*looks over S's Brooklyn V Goliath posts* Whew. Lots of heat comming offa those. I think this is one I should stay away from, too.

Kyryn>Did I ever send that fic draft to you? I honestly can't remember if i did.

Mec and WinterWolf><<shoot a wolf with a bounty>>I think as soon as Defenders of Wildlife is done effeectively shredding the Farm Bureau, they are planning on turning their attention to this. They had damn well better.

Someone in here said that wolves do attack livestock and are dangerous to people>I can't find the comment (I think i am just not looking hard enough), but to who ever sent it>I have never said that they didn't prey on livestock or were not dangerous to humans. All I said was that livestock losses to wolves are vastly over reported (due to the Farm Bureau). As for being dangerous to humans> In cleveland a few months ago, a pitbull ATE his breeder's 4 year old son. PBs ar muc more dangerous than wolves, and yet there is no legislation against owning one. In most states, there is a fine and jail time for owning anything as much as 25% wolf.
*gets off high horse**

and now for the other reason i am here
**Begin RP**
ShadowWolf feined unconscienceness. He wanted to hear what was going on. The spectre was talking now. "I just want to find my body and get back into it." Mecord sighed. "Look, we are doing all we can. Rightnow, your body could be anywhere. The most pressing issue is getting the twins off that station. When they get here, maybe they will have some info that will help you," Mecord looked at the apparently out cold werewolf,"and him. I wish I knew what had changed him, and I hope there is a way to bring him back." ShadowWolf had to fight to keep himself from snorting. Bring him back? He WAS back. He had been here first. He calmed down and began to think. He needed to get the elf alone to the Boss. How to do that now...ah. Trade. ShadowWolf quietly prepared to use the Gift that would allow him to bind a spirit to an object. He still had a few items with him, dedicated to his body to become darker patches of fur when he shifted between forms. There was a golden chain, a gift from a friend of Archwolf's, that would suit his needs. He was ready. He reached inside himself and then 'thought' over to the spirit. SJ's ghost was the first to know womething was wrong. "Uuh...what the?" His form began to flicker and move over toward the werewolf. Warpmind didn't know exactly what was going on, but he knew the sourse. He ran over and kicked the wolf in the head. Too late. "Where is SJ?" The werewolf looked up at Warpmind, then over to Mecord. "If you want him back, You come with me to talk to the boss. Alone. Then I give him back." The elf said nothing. "You know elf boy, that little gem of yours is changing you. It's got you in its grasp doesn't it? Do these people know about it? Cause I sure as hell can see it." The elf just continued to glare at him. When he spoke, it was with cold voice. "Give SJ back, and we won't kill you." ShadowWolf had to laugh. "You won't kill me any way. You want Archwolf back, remember? Look, all boss wants is to talk to you. You won't be harmed, Mecord. At least, not if you area a good little guest." Mecord sighed. "Alright. Just who is your boss?" ShadowWolf shrugged. "Dunno his name, but he's a great big black thing with white hair. Oh, and wings."
***End RP***

*Archwolf looks back out the CR door. Ack More DC crew. He pulls the release on the Smart gun harness, allowing it to fall away. He picks up his trusted rapier and dagger. Before leaving, he looks back into the room and winks* Carpe Ferrum(sp)!

Shade and Sweet Water
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:13:54 PM
IP: pumpkin-a-22.mcmurray.nb.net

**PARENTAL RANT**
Despite the facts that I nearly died due to sleepiness and my dad knows someone who has a sleep disorder, he doesn't understand why I sleep more than he does. The past 3 nights I've been having trouble getting to sleep.

Despite the fact I've told him I've searching for a job online, he wants me to get one TODAY. When I was working at a factory, I observed that I wasn't as strong as most people there and couldn't match their productivity while stapling. I reasoned that the same thing would probably be true at any factory and I wouldn't be able to last long at a factory. I told him I couldn't much productivity and I didn't think I would not be able to keep a job at a factory but he wants me to work at a factory. I don't think he understands me at all but acts like a boss at home. I'm trying to work some of the feelings out of my system right now so I don't keep them inside. I'm still sleepy and he wants me to head to get a job. I don't think I want anybody to see me less than 100% awake but someone else does not understand that.
**END PARENTAL RANT while sleepy**

The odds are 2:1 that I'll miss something while reading TD.
**TD SPOILERS**
Hmm. Why do I get the feeling we'll be seeing Payne/Loki AGAIN? On the other hand, wouldn't it be dangerous to leave Payne alive? Think of what all he could do to the Timestream or profit from his knowledge of future events.
**END TD SPOILERS**

**BFTS RP**
"Sure. I can remove objects from people's bodies and convert the objects into something else," replied Plastique Saber. She touched Winterwolf with her left hand while keeping her right hand open. Suddenly a small gold ball appeared in Plastique's right hand. "There, all the fragments removed. Take the gold ball for when you're low on cash."

Winterwolf took the gold ball.

"Winterwolf, I need to see the 2nd ring for right now," DPH said and Winterwolf handed him the 2nd ring. "I'm going to perform a spell to bring all communications technology functional within a 1000 mile radius. Until I break this spell, no one is to wear the ring or attempt use its power."

"No problem," replied Winterwolf.

DPH opened a gateway to another universe and quickly spoke a spell. The gateway disappeared.

"There, the phone in my house should work now. My cellphone should also work, now. In case anything comes up, I'll call. By the way, don't leave the house unguarded because the Speed Racers might be returning. They're probably regrouping right now." said DPH. Winterwolf, Plastique Saber, and Jason Filler nodded their heads in agreement. "Plastique, I need you to repair my car. As soon as my car is repaired, I'll be leaving. On second thought, I'll eat, get the car repaired, and then leave."

Plastique Saber and DPH ate some of Winterwolf's leftovers and told him that the food was good. Plastique repaired the car and DPH and Plastique Saber left.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:11:41 PM
IP: max1-29.cwy.cei.net

Heyo. Read the episodes each week, but don't post often - just wanted to make a few comments.

*** MILD TIMEDANCER SPOILERS ***

"Fire and Ice" ... very powerful, quite enjoyable story, for certain. But is it just me, or has the tone of Timedancer been getting steadily darker this season? First "I Am Become Death", and now this...

I have another thought, but it requires a huge spoiler, so I'll forbear for the moment.

*** END SPOILERS ***

On another note, is the next season of TGS and/or Pendragon starting any time soon? Just curious.

Skyrender, Closet Gargoyle
Skyrender
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:10:22 PM
IP: edmserv15.stantech.com

Hi Ya'll. A couple of quick comments.
TD "Fire and Ice"> Very good episode. Still not as good as Giri, but very good. (What can I say, I'm an Angst-aholic.)

Valentine> RE: hike: Ick. That sounds like a pain. Reminds me of a 15 mile hike I went on when I was still a boy scout, except that the hike turned out to be 20 miles or so (plus a little swim) when torrential rains flooded the river we were hiking near and washed out part of our route. At least we found a barn to sleep in at the half way point.

ST:V > (WARNING - POSSIBLE SPOILERS IF YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, OR JUST AREN'T GOOD AT FIGURING OUT THE PLOT)...But this time it was different. This time the Captain PLANNED to get assimilated. :)

Honestly, Voyager isn't as bad as all that. It's getting harder and harder to find the good parts, though. Of course, my favorite series was DS9 (Utopia? Riiight...) I still think it would be interesting to do a series that focuses on something like Starfleet Intelligence, where you would get to see the dark side of the Star Trek universe.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:07:36 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Mara: I'm sorry, I was being a little "inside" with my wrestling comments, in that I meant Vinnie Mac is the guy who scripts most of the matches (what? Why yes, I hate to break the hearts of many of you, but wrestling actually uses a script!) and thus he must have decided to give HHH the strap. Eh, maybe it's cause the Rock is busy filming the Mummy 2. I'd like to see Chris Jericho get the belt, but that's maybe too premature.

Hee... Come on.. We all know wrestling is scripted. But Vinne Mac doesnt make everything up, he aint the writers, silly. Anyhow, I tend to get attached to the storylines and gimmicks the say way I get attached to , for example, Gargoyle's storlyines and characters. I know (heaven forbid I say it outloud) that the show Gargoyles isn't "real" ... same way I know RAW isn't real.. doesn't make me care what goes on behind the scenes.. Why bother even having an Iron Man Match if all your paying attention to is that Vinne Mac decided beforehand Triple H should win?

Enjoy the ride man...
Mara Shinigami Cordova
Thursday, May 25, 2000 09:15:56 AM
IP: spider-ti021.proxy.aol.com

Hey all!

Niamhgold:> Yeah, a Taekwon-do class can be fun, especially if the average age of students is 12-14...A party? If they had the idea, they still didn't tell me...

Jannie and WInterwolf:> Thank you for the license info. It seems about the same of here: a written test and a practical test (the single difference, as far as I can see, is that in Italy the practical test is an obstacle course of starting, stopping, drawing an "8" etc, and a brief traffic drive).

Jannie:> She is a great politician, huh? It lasts by itself for making me dislike her...all the people I've met that are "good politicians" show a tendency to lie and fool people.
About that bomb threat procedure...a question is "What am I supposed to do after I find the bomb?". I assume you have not a past in the NOCS (here in Italy NOCS is the name of the anti-terrorism special units of Carabinieri...sorry, but I don't know exactly what is the U.S. equivalent...) so you have very little experience in disabling bombs. So, according to that woman, what you or the other teachers are supposed to do? Placing a sign with "The bomb is here!" written on? Stay there and watch for anyone trying to steal the bomb? Or cutting a random cable, just in case you hit the right one...All this blabbering to say that plan is senseless. I hope you'll never have to apply that plan, but if it happens, please stay out the school and at a safe distance, with your students...and if your principal wants to find the bomb, she can seek for it by herself!
Last day for you, at least (and probably as you'll read it will be over already)

Spacebabie:> <<oh and DINOBOTS Rule! >> Right on! I particularily liked the one who changed in a triceratops...

Gside:> So you want to test my patience, huh? <grins> You better be prepared for a long long battle, then...;)
Thank you for correction: this time was really a grammar mistake...

Valentine:> Gladiator:> Yes, as I can remember in the charge the legionaries were using long swords at the beginning...by the way, the charge itself was a historical nonsense: as far as I can remember, Romans used very little the cavalry and mainly for exploration. They didn't use it in combat for a precise reason: Romans didn't know stirrups, and all the other people in continental Europe at that time didn't know stirrups as well. Stirrups were introduced in Europe only after Western Roman Empire fall. Anyway, you're right: arms, armors and tactics were not showed so much in that movie. About the scene...I didn't like it, I repeat: all I can remember of that scene is that the camera seemed to vorticate continuously, so that it was impossible to understand what was really happening...to me, at least.

Delphi:> Hm...I'm supposed to feel wounded in honor by that Harley/Hoover joke...oh, well, the other jokes of yours were too funny, so I'll pass over it this time. And, I have to admit, the Harley joke was funny too.

Winterwolf:> Yes, I'm setting up all my life so that everything will go on without me as I'll be away...luckily, all Italian guys have to pass through it, so Universities and associations af all kinds have already predefined proceedings to follow for the ones who get called...

Doug:> Hey, no problem! For sure it is not your fault, actually it is noone's fault. Just a combination of circumstances. I'm only sorry that you'll have to wait to get the feedback I promised...

I hope I missed nothing...I have no time to read all the CR now...

Later.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, May 25, 2000 08:36:57 AM
IP: h255-20-141.mi2.albacom.net

** WARNING - ST:Voyager SPOILERS **

Well, I guess the writers were hurting for scripts to make a season finale, so they decided people probably wouldn't notice if they just stole one from the ST:TNG archive. The starship captain gets assimilated two seconds before "To be continued..." flashes on the screen... man, it's deja vu all over again.

Oh yeah... and where the heck in "Starfleet protocol" does it say you have to respond to EVERY distress call, no matter who's making it... even if it's from alien enemies who've tried to kill you six dozen times before? Anyone besides me think they are just making this crap up as they go along? Kirk would've never been this stupid... and even Picard and Sisko would've said "The Borg are fighting amongst themselves? Good... they're that way, so let's point the ship THIS way."

About the only good thing that happened was Tom Paris got his rank back... but when the heck is Harry Kim gonna get a promotion? He's been an ensign for six years... he's even DIED for that ship... jeez, Janeway's a hard captain to impress, I guess.

I dunno anymore... when "Voyager" first came out, I entertained some "what-if" crossover notions that Janeway was really Titania, but now I'm convinced she can't be. In fact, I think if Titania ever met her, she would just slap her silly. I know I've wanted to all season.

(And incidentally, I loved it when Kess came back with a vengeance and Kathryn "Surrogate Mommy / Adopt-an-alien" Janeway finally got a small bit of come-uppance.)

** END SPOILERS **

Christine > Way cool fic scene... you realize we're gonna force you to write the rest of that story now, right? >:)

Mara > Excellent MiSTing fic... had me busting up. And very well deserved, too.

Only 71 days until Gathering 2000. :: looks around the room :: Will YOU be there?
Patrick Toman
Thursday, May 25, 2000 07:01:51 AM
IP: ac81acae.ipt.aol.com

Hello everybody. Sorry about this being a little later than I wanted.

I've been reading the comments all week, and was intrigued at the variety of subjects. I do appreciate all the praise given for the efforts of myself and Mr. Cotleur.

I came by to give a last TD Spoiler. There were things said in 'Iron Bars' that were meant to make you think. It was interesting that the main point spoken of was one that was already settled (in my mind at least). Pandora couldn't have been the mother of the gargoyle race; the Clans were already established before the FUW. I should have been clearer about that point.

Anyways, the spoiler: Pandora's story didn't end with 'Iron Bars' One way or the other, she'll be turning up again.

Nice to be seeing you again Mr. Toman. Hope you're doing well.

'Til next time.

Gray - [go4th@post.com]
Ma
Thursday, May 25, 2000 06:04:37 AM
IP: host61.fastdial.net

***Kyryn steps in***

Sometimes insomnia pays off.

Gentlebeings, we now present for your reading pleasure:

Fire and Ice

Written by Alan "Ordell" Coleman

Artwork by Jessica Entis

***Kyryn steps aside from the made stampede****
Kyryn - [<<--clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Thursday, May 25, 2000 03:21:25 AM
IP: denm1-41.iglobal.net

Gunjack: <<convincing the GM>> well, reduce it to one gun, and say it was a parting gift from your Patron {aka Trainer}....how's that?

<<<<....or the guy on the cover of the book _Relic_.>> So *that's* what ya look like... :) >> that, and a slender version of Broadway, minus the wings.....we're closer related to gargs than humans - but we don't get along well....maybe it's our habit of talking with our food. ::grins sharp-toothed smile::

<<*switches into conspiritorial mode* So... you have much trouble picking up women?>> nope...passed my genetic memory 67432908 times.

oh wait, that's all the times since Beowulf was slaughtered by the human who took Beowulf's name. sorry.

<<*dodges resulting flurry of murderous blows*>> nah, i don't attack for trivial things like that. {unlike humans, we Grendels are seasonal beings...that and we look almost identical}.

<<Nope, unless it was that "herd" part... I'm kinda slow on the uptake.>> yep...gotta love an aggressive species descended from social herbivores.

<<When my pupils {in my eyes} go vertical, whatever i�m looking at sees their greatest fear reflected back at them.>> Not bad! Maybe you don't need guns after all...>> contrary to certain Grimorums' info, it isn't a species-by-species trait: not all humans see a large bully or a long cliff, for example.

<<Though you gotta admit, they are great labor-saving devices.>> pahh....we don't mind using our strength....and if something needs more than one individual, we use basic things {lever, pulley, etc}...and then call for others of our kind.

interestingly, though we're quite tolerant and sociable around other species {when we're not hungry}, we are extremely territorial around our own kind...perhaps that is because that, like Dragons, we Grendels are at the top of the food chains.

<<You want I should say "'Grendo"?>> no, kethqot. {sebacean curse}.

<<Besides, I'm sure you're more even-tempered than the the Queen WitchwithaB...>> no clue - haven't heard of her/him/?/it.

<<<<_when in doubt, drag them into quicksand and swim downwards_.....works like a charm.>> Uh, I've always kinda *enjoyed* breathing, myself... Probably just a personal preference, but still...>> and _that_, is the point.

<<Besides, it's kinda slow to do *all* your enemies that way, especially if they all come at once...>> we make sure the bards either grossly underestimate us in their stories, or grossly overestimate us...makes it more fun when the Hunters come.

<<With a nice 25mm Bushmaster, though, you can make the Human-to-bloody-rag transition at a time-efficient rate!>> but where's the fun in that? {that was a joke}!!

<<<<umm...dietary reasons? >> Uh, I'll just be stepping a few feet back, now...>> relax, i'm not hungry.....

...yet.

<G>

Rodlox
Thursday, May 25, 2000 03:10:39 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Valentine limps in, carrying two massive gun cases*

Well, it's been a roller coaster of a day... On the downside, I lost another few square inches of skin off my feet, and spent way too much of my day in pointless arguement w/ my little sister...
On the upside, I managed to finish out the technical work for two new toys. Both are 20mm electrothermal man-pack cannon, designed to launch a depleted uranium penetrator out to 1000+ yards with enough punch left to knock holes in light armored vehicles and powered armor. Now, if I can just convince my GM that my merc character would be able to get his hands on them...

Anyways, on to the replies!

Gside - Great song today! Nothing like bagpipes and rock... :D <<Not until someone has done a thorough phychological evaluation of Jericho.>> Hoo, boy... *Loosens tie and smiles weakly* Uh... It's "Incest Week", not "Unnameably-Vile-Multiply-Fruedian-Complex-Cluster-Neurosis Week... <> On the other hand, that playlist looks pretty sweet too! Cool Music traffic jam!!! :D <<Got it, it'll get there eventually.>> I'm listening to it right now in between "Rob Mckenzie"... Thanks for that one too, by the way. <<Only one was C440, but none were your singing. That series is one of the running gags in the trheatened Spike Jones version ofThe Daring Young Man on the Flying Trapeeze.>> That sounds vaugly disturbing...

Kryryn><<*grin* I'm not earning THAT much. They generally don't pay editors what we're worth.>> The only people who are payed what they're worth either stop being worth it or can't make enough to survive... <<(Note: I edit TGS for nada, although that is a labor of love.)BTW, from your IP addy it looks like you are located in the Dallas area. If you are, are you going to A-kon?>> Almost definately not... I only heard about it this last week, I'll be out of the state for six weeks starting 10th June, and my parents are still recovering from walking in on the G99 Costume Ball... :)
Out of curiousity, when is it?

Christine - Great little sub-fic! :D

DPH><<Hmm. I consider myself one due to some of personal hobbies.>> I *would* consider myself a nerd, but all my nerdish pasttimes also involve firearms, h2h combat, explosives, and extreme violence perpetrated with little warning... So what does that make me? *thinks for a bit*
A Militant Nerd, maybe?

David G><<Just fans? Do you even have a water fan? Lots of shade?>> No water fans... But does staying in my room all summer count? :) It's gonna be cast iron at camp this year, though... One of the activities this camp has is a two mile (one way) walk to a nursing home to sing for the old folk, and then the same hike back... Uphill. At least 1 1/2 miles of it is all up an incline like a freakin' cliff... <<Demona's Complexion>> Ooo, good anwsers!
I've always stuck my vote in for "'Cause she looks better that way", but a rational explanation doesn't hurt...

Rodlox><<....or the guy on the cover of the book _Relic_.>> So *that's* what ya look like... :) *switches into conspiritorial mode* So... you have much trouble picking up women? *dodges resulting flurry of murderous blows* <<{can you see my specist remark to you?}.>> Nope, unless it was that "herd" part... I'm kinda slow on the uptake. <<When my pupils {in my eyes} go vertical, whatever i�m looking at sees their greatest fear reflected back at them.>> Not bad! Maybe you don't need guns after all... Though you gotta admit, they are great labor-saving devices. <<saying that�s like saying �whaz up, sista?� to Demona - death would be welcome.>> You want I should say "'Grendo"? Besides, I'm sure you're more even-tempered than the the Queen WitchwithaB... <<_when in doubt, drag them into quicksand and swim downwards_.....works like a charm.>> Uh, I've always kinda *enjoyed* breathing, myself... Probably just a personal preference, but still... Besides, it's kinda slow to do *all* your enemies that way, especially if they all come at once...
With a nice 25mm Bushmaster, though, you can make the Human-to-bloody-rag transition at a time-efficient rate! <<umm...dietary reasons? >> Uh, I'll just be stepping a few feet back, now...

Warpmind><<Sorry, guys. I'm a bit tired right now; I rose frematurely from the dead... I mean, bed.>> Boy, does *that* sound familiar... My morning anthem is "Three more days 'till ressurection"... <<What, you do not approve of means to immobilize your opponent before going for the kill? Tsk, there is NO SUCH THING as Overkill. ;)>> Two 10mm APEX rounds to the chest and a third between the eyes usually incapacitate the target right quick... And without all the screaming and flopping around, too! Nicer for them, safer for me... <<As for the sickles, I mean the crescent-shaped ones, on the short handle. The Celtic (I believe) model. :) If you've ever read Asterix, you know what I mean.>> Ah, *those* sickles! Hopefully you'd use one bigger than the little hollycutter the driud uses... :) <<If you've ever read Asterix, you know what I mean. Oh, and one thing: you dreamt of a stormtrooper whose armor deflected all your shots? Impossible! Blaster shots go through Stormtrooper armor as though it was cardboard!>> I think that was Mecord's dream... Mine was the one with Moriarty screaming himself to death... :)

Gasper><<It brings out your dominent qualities...>> I seem to remember it also twisting those qualities relentlessly toward evil... So no matter how good you were, the Eye would always make you evil.

APOLOGETICS WARNING***********************

David G><<Technically, you can be "good" and not be a christian. (Lots of christians don't know this, which makes them very irritating to the rest of us)>> No arguement there... I'm hoping I drew a line between "Morality" and "Religion" in the earlier posts... More on that latter. <<Of course, another thing lots of christians tend to forget is that only God decides who is saved.>> Assuming that Jesus actually was the son of God, then the criterea would seem to be already explained...
I feel compelled to note that "harm none" describes a wider range of behavior than "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The first tells you what you SHOULDN'T do. The second tells you what you SHOULD do. (There are lots of people, Christian and not, who can't even get the first part right, though.)

Patrick Toman><<Religion by its nature implies faith in at least some things which can NOT be proven or arrived at by logical reasoning.>> True, but just because one cannot prove EVERY aspect of a religion doesn't mean one cannot prove ANY aspect of a religion. Christianity, for example, relies on historical claims (ie Jesus' life and death) for validity, and these claims can easily be researched. <<So there's no way to prove or disprove by pure logical argument which religion is "right" and which is "wrong.">> I won't know for sure until I've tried, will I? ;) *displays official 'idiocy of youth' liscense*

<<That is not mentioned in the Bible... but which of the two has done so more throughout history?>> I'm not sure. I'm afraid I've neglected my history. The Crusades alone, however, would tip that scale toward the Christian side...
<<(the *really* weird bit there is that it's the same God...)>> Truly? I need to read up on Islam after I get through the philosephy I'm working on...

***********************END APOLOGETICS**********************

It's coming close to 2:00 AM... I'll catch you all later.

"They all hate us anyhow... /So let's drop the Big One now!

| -Warren Zevon
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Dallas ("OMG! They got Kennedy!")
Thursday, May 25, 2000 02:46:19 AM
IP: nas-48-50.dallas.navipath.net

P.S.

The episode is "The Gathering Pt. Two"
Janine
Thursday, May 25, 2000 02:08:57 AM
IP: phx-214.treknet.net

Hey all, how are things with everybody. Not much happened today. just went around selling tickets for this benefit concert, oh and i finally saw DOGMA. other than that, not much is going on. hope y'all enjoy your week.
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 25, 2000 02:04:34 AM
IP: spider-wd071.proxy.aol.com

I'm new to this stuff. I love Gargoyles, I've been watching it ever since it first came out on the Disney Afternoon and I still watch it on the cartoon network. In fact I'm watching it now. I'm also in the process of making a Gargoyle costume for my brother for Halloween. He loves Lexington. I'm a professional Costume Designer/Seamstress. Since it was Gargoyle Related I thought other Gargoyle Fans should know. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress. gotta fly.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Mesa, Az, U.S.A.
Thursday, May 25, 2000 02:02:27 AM
IP: phx-214.treknet.net

Okay, so the episode where Oberon attacks the gargoyles and Xanatos is on. And the part where the Elder Xanatos shoots an iron harpoon into Oberon? Can I just say that Toon Disney TOTALLY slaughtered that whole part by bad Editing?

I'm sure you probably know this, and I"m sure there is others...but man...I've got to rant on this one.
Gasper
Thursday, May 25, 2000 01:48:19 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Brief post, folks.

Having problems with my ISP tonight and can't get the final version of story to upload from my comp. They're having tech problems.

New ep will post in the morning. I'll upload it from work if I can't get it up from home. Sorry for the delay. Expect it up no later than 9:00am room time.

Kyryn
Denton
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:55:36 AM
IP: denm1-2.iglobal.net

Doug, No prob, sending an e-mail to you as we speak.

G-side, No prob either. More then understandable. I am the one who was wrong, I thought I saw a good opportunity and jumped without looking (story of my life sometimes.). Anyway, that's all from me for now.

Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:54:00 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Batman Beyond update: This is sort of semi-spoilers / teaser for the upcoming Batman Beyond movie coming out to video this fall. Here's the basic story of the movie, so if you want to be totally surprised, read no further!!
***Semi Spoilers Begin***
The story starts with Terry busting the asses of a group of Jokerz, who are boosting some communications equipment. Not usually their m.o. (they don't seem to have an m.o. except for terrorizing and vandalizing), Terry thinks the robbery odd, but nothing more. Meanwhile, Bruce Wayne returns to his seat of power as head of Wayne Powers (something Power's son does not find pleasing). Only he is shocked when who shows up but none other than his ultimate foe--the Joker. Now, the Joker's looking like some sort of twisted, evil clown version of Dick Clark on Revlon--in other words, he hasn't aged a day. Bruce is very upset, because he apparently knows that it is completely *impossible* that the Joker is really here. He orders Terry to give up the suit and stand down (presumably to save his life). As the story develops, we learn exactly why the Jokerz were stealing that comm equipment, why the Joker is "alive", and....most of all!!!....we learn some secrets about what's happened to the various members of the Bat family.!
Personally, I think that the reason Bats is so in a huff about the Joker showing up is that, in his future timeline, Jokes is dead. And my own personal belief is that Bats knows he's dead cause either a) he killed him, or b) a member of his family did. I think maybe Joker caused the untimely demise of one of Bats' charges (maybe Robin, "the Boy Target"), and either Batman killed him or one of the other Bat Family did, in retaliation. Batman breaking his prime directive and actually killing someone, IMO, would probably be THE best reason for him to hang up the suit.
****END SEMI-SPOILERS****

Star Trek Voyager: So, they made Janeway a Borg....gee, what a totally ORIGINAL concept that is! It's so edgy! To take a major character and turn them into a Borg? That's certainly NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.
Jesus, thank the Maker I stopped watching this show. Why won't they come to their senses and just let it die? Trust me, even the die hard Trekkies (or Trekkers, whatever they call themselves) would realize that no Trek is better than Voyager.

Mara: I'm sorry, I was being a little "inside" with my wrestling comments, in that I meant Vinnie Mac is the guy who scripts most of the matches (what? Why yes, I hate to break the hearts of many of you, but wrestling actually uses a script!) and thus he must have decided to give HHH the strap. Eh, maybe it's cause the Rock is busy filming the Mummy 2. I'd like to see Chris Jericho get the belt, but that's maybe too premature.

Sad news for all fans of GOOD music: The Smashing Pumpkins, by year's end, will be no more. They're breaking the band up....shame really. Their new album, MACHINA/The Machines of God, is great, and they truly are one of the best bands of the past decade. But I suppose now is the time for bubblegum pop. So now begins the winter of my discontent....

Finally, I leave you with a movie review!!!

*****MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2 REVIEW****
I saw the trailers for this movie, and I got excited. Not only did this look like a kick ass, balls-to-the-wall, blow-things-up-real-good action flick, but it was being helmed by my all-time favorite action director, the god known as John Woo. So came into this movie expecting it to knock me out of my undies.

I didn't quite get that.

**Sigh** Okay, it's not that this was a bad movie. Cause it isn't really. It's just an *okay* movie. I had a lot of problems with it.

First off, the movie......moves.......slower.......than.....this........sentence......For about 2/3rds of the movie, it's a virtual snooze fest. Just nothing of much importance happens. The last third is a kick ass blow s*** up extravaganze, complete with typical Jon Woo gunfights in slow mo, and other cool stunts. But the first 2/3 is just...tedious. Horrible pacing.

Then there's the plot. Or rather, the gaping black hole where they forgot to insert one. They set up Dougray Scott to be the bad guy, but there's no real explanation *why* he's bad. Not a whole lot of background on him, why he turned rogue, why he's doing what he's doing. He steals the antidote to the virus, yet he really didn't realize what it was he was stealing? Then how the hell did he pull off the heist so smoothly? So quickly? Then there's Ethan's romance with Nyah. I wish to God that women could fall in love with me so quickly and easily. I swear, it's worst than Bond--he knows her maybe 5 seconds, and they're not only swapping spit, but doing the horizontal hokey-pokey. There's so many unanswered questions in this film. How does Sean (Dougray Scott) know so much about Ethan, when Ethan doesn't seem to know much about him? Why, if this virus could effectively, oh, wipe out most of the Earth, are there only about FOUR people trying to stop the villain? So many problems with the plot....

As for the characters, they were mainly pretty flat. Tom hogs the screen, and I suppose you can't blame him, it's his movie. But at times it's almost like, "Hey, look how macho and cool I am. I'm climbing rocks without a line!" Thandie Newton as Nyah.....okay, let me get it out of the way. Thandie Newton is not a pretty woman. She's a flat out GORGEOUS woman, and I would walk through hell barefoot for a moment in her presence. She's got looks that would make the Pope kick through a stained glass window. But....her character really is just very underdeveloped. She falls for Ethan in a ridiculously short period of time. She's supposed to be a master thief, but her skills seem limited to a few interesting pickpocket techniques. And she is ultimately delegated the standard "heroine in peril" role, as Ethan has to save her life by the end of the film. Wish she had been developed more. Dougray Scott works as best he can as the villain. I kind of like Dougray. He seems like an okay guy, but he's not terribly imposing in this film. He doesn't come across as a bad ass rogue IMF agent, he just comes across as a demented stereotypical Bond bad guy wannabe. This is the movie that cost him the X-Men role, and I wish it didn't, cause I think that movie will be successful enough to span at least a sequel, which he could have been a part of. Doug's a capable actor, but he doesn't have much to work with here. Ving Rhames.....there's only one word to describe his character--wasted. He just doesn't do anything in this film except play around on a few computers. The best acting part of the movie comes from Anthony Hopkins, who is excellent in his stint as an IMF director. Alas, he's in the movie for even less screen time than that other short-lived big screen badass, Darth Maul.

Overall, this movie was somewhat disappointing. The last third of the film kicked ass, and it did deliver some good stunts and action sequences. But overall, I was somewhat displeased with the outcome. The studio wants to turn this movie into a new Bond-like franchise, but I say that it's got a long way to go to live up to that standard, even though the last few Bonds have been fairly lackluster. Still, I liked this Mision Impossible better than the first. It wasn't as confusing as the first one, and the actions scenes--when they eventually arrive--were better. Maybe I just refuse to dislike anything by Jon Woo. But overall, this film wasn't all that. I give it, hmm......somewhere between 2.5 and 3 stars, on a four star scale. I don't recommend seeing this for the full price, but it'd make a decent enough matinee.

I guess the best way to wrap up this review is to say, if you want to watch a decent film, watch MI-2. If you want to watch a GREAT film, go see Gladiator.
****END REVIEW***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:48:37 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Gasper> Apologies for being so presumptious. I have forgotten what time Doug and Kitainia had left, and it had seemed like you were going to get to their characters before they returned. Since I assumed that they were not in a position to answer for themselves, I fired off a warning that was apparently completely unnecessary. Again, I apologize for the intrusion.

Mara> MiST: Thank you. Although I hve not read any of the stories involved, it seems like it was desparately needed.

Heather> congratulations on the exam.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:27:14 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Shadowrider: Apologies for my part in causing the fanfic overload you're currently experiencing. Hope you get out of it soon. On the plus side, you should read many good stories hopefully. :)

Thanks to those who have recently been doing Goliath character analysis. You've caused me to realize I've been neglecting one important aspect of his character- his philisophical and psychological smarts. Now that I think about it, the guy would make one hell of a hostage negotiator. I have to do a fanfic with him as one after I finish Night of the Symbiotes and Plague. It would be a cool scene or series of such, and I know at least two characters (Commissioner Friedman and the hostage taker, whoever it might be) who would be more than a little disturbed once they found out who was doing the negotiating. :)

Gasper: $ Kit and I have no problems with you entering our part of the RP. Just one small request- Can you please somehow eliminate all the guys your character is fighting before they are able to attack us as it appears they will? You see, before you came in, the clones and Hartlett were our only opponents in that pass and we didn't write in any more, nor had we planned to. In fact, our next post will have us get out of the pass without further incident after spending eight hours clearing rocks and sleeping eight more, then heading on to Area 51. There we plan to decide on our next mission (we need to drop off the dragon with us, Mecord's character Bardic, and do some other stuff before heading to Atlanta for the next big confrontation). Before that, we honestly weren't planning on any more heavy action on Kit's and my side. There will be a lot of emotional turmoil stuff, and some more developments with my character's memory loss situation (among other things, he and Kit are going to have a big argument related to it soon, and Thailog's Dark Jedi pal, Jerec, is going to act on an awful idea...:). There will be serious violent conflict in the Middle East with Gubio, Erin, and Bessus (new character, you'll see him soon), but we're not going to have any for a while. At least, that's the plan right now, we will of course respond to violence-requiring problems if they develop, we just hope they don't. Thus Kit and I request that you please not create any for us right now, not until we're ready and know more about your character and his adversaries (we can deal with his intro to us in the RP soon, if you could please e-mail us some info about the character though, it would be appreciated). Don't worry, we will be back in Austin soon, it's just right now we're cut off and unable to participate. :( Sorry. And thanks for keeping things going in our absence. :) P.S.- Don't ask me about that RP site. I am not its administrator, nor its creator. DumlaoX did that, and he unfortunately left the fandom some time ago. So the site's still up, it just doesn't get updated anymore. :( I'd take up the site myself, but have neither the time nor the web design knowledge for it. :( $

More later when I get back to Austin.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:07:05 PM
IP: spider-wa072.proxy.aol.com

*Winterwolf enters the CR wheeling in a dolly with two cups bearing the gargoyles logo, a box of mint tea, a and a tea kettle nearly full of fresh water. He wheels it into the CR kitchen and gets a silver holder for the tea leaves. He drops the holder after filling it into the kettle and starts boiling the water for tea.* ^_^

David G> <80 degrees> That's way too hot for Winterwolf. Actually, I use a fan in the summer but I live in NY. Not that it doesn't get hot and humid here but I figure it is normally hot down there while it has been 50 - 70 F by me. Hope your keeping cool again soon.

Shadowrider> <license> What Jannie said is just about the same in NY. You have to pass a special written test and road test (on a bike of course) to get the classification to ride a bike on your license. Once you get it you just need to renew it once every couple of years and you don't have to take any tests anymore. So are you getting your belongings ready for your year of service?

Niamhgold> I love your fic series so far. I've only read the first one entirely and I'm in the process of reading the second but the way the story is told is awesome! Not to mention the great character development and interaction I've seen so far. :) I'm definitely going to read them all! ;)

Delphi> I've missed you. Where else am I going to get quick jokes to fill in when I don't have anything else to say in RL? :D

Jannie> Only one more day! <bomb stuff> That principal must be crazier than a loon! Now my mom told me never to talk to strangers and if I met your principal I wouldn't talk to her because I've never heard of anyone stranger! ;)

Spacebabie> I hope your grandma gets well soon.

Jessie Feff> <Dinosaurs> Look what you did. Now I'm going to need a third opinion. ;)

Christine> <silliness> That was funny! Brought a big smile to me in my reprieve from work. :)

Rodlox> <nobody noticed the fact that Pandora may not find gargoyles at all> There goes my optimistic view. Poor poor Pandora! :( Oh wait. It came back. Pandora lived happily ever after. ;) <Spin City> I like this show. I'm taping the finale so I can see it again and again. ^_^

Heather> <83> Congrats! :) No less than a B for you I'd say! I'm happy for you.

Fire Storm> <borg> You know resistance is futile! :P

******BFTS - RP******

DC's head and body vanish while DPH, Jason Filler, Plastique Saber and Winterwolf are talking. Winterwolf winces noting the bullet fragments are still in his system. "I need a moment alone to fully restore myself. I'll be back in a minute. We should be prepared in case they regroup and attack again."

"Good Idea. Do you need any help?" DPH asked Winterwolf.

"No, that's okay. I think I'll be fine in just a few minutes." Putting up a strong front he added, "Jason has improved his skills while you where gone." As he walked away DPH began speaking to Jason and Plastique. He didn't hear what they were saying and made his way into the first room past the entrance of the house. He closed the door and focused on his body. The bullet that hit him exploded into several fragments once it penetrated his skin. He could see fragments lodged in various vital organs tearing them with every movement of his body.

"You know you can't do it all by yourself." Equus commented from inside Winterwolf's head.

"You've been watching me all this time. Couldn't you have at least warned me or something?" Winterwolf silently thought.

"You were busy at the time. You need to get that junk out of you. Ask Plastique to remove the fragments before they kill you. She can do it. One other thing. You need to recharge you bracers soon." Equus leaves Winterwolf's mind.

"I thought they were starting to feel drained. Good thing I didn't use them any more than I did. I'd probably be dead if I wasn't in this wolf form." Winterwolf said.

Winterwolf minimizing his movements goes to Plastique to get the fragments removed. "Plastique, that bullet that hit me broke into several shards most of which embedded themselves into vital organs. I need you to remove them before they rip me apart inside." Winterwolf prayed Plastique Saber could help him.

******END BFTS - RP******

*Winterwolf hangs out in the CR to enjoy a cup of tea when it is ready. Hopefully Niamhgold will stop by soon.*

I'll be lurking in the CR for a while.

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:32:56 PM
IP: dialup-209.244.178.41.newyork2.level3.net

<>WARNING! STAR TREK SPOILERS!<>

She is the Borg.

Now, will Tom win that secret bet he made with Chakote <SP!!!>? (Best of both girls)

<>END SPOILERS<>
Fire Storm of Borg
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:02:50 PM
IP: t3-77.visitus.net

Christine> Loved Gathering Quest. Very nice exerpt, I can't wait to see the rest of your new story.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 09:53:48 PM
IP: dialin-494-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Did a pic for Elisagoyle as a thank you for sending me Utena and Slayers tapes.

Starting at the top going clockwise: Touga (Utena), Zelgadis (slayers), Xelloss (Slayers), Miki (Utena). I would love to hear feed back on this one. I am planning to do a few more of them. :)
CrzyDemona - [<-- gift for Elisagoyle]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 08:54:10 PM
IP: 209.150.94.64

*runs into the room, all happy* I pasted my Economics exam! Yees! I thought I was going to fail it... *stops and starts catching her breath* I made a 83 on it. I'm so happy. *grins*

Christine > *claps* Gathering Quest, awesome idea. Want to see more, got to see more. Well, I guess I get to meet Greg for the first time at G2K. Boy, what am I going to say... or do ?

Yep, I'm going to Gathering, just need to feel out that registration stuff. Oii... I've done enough writing as is.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 07:45:47 PM
IP: ac8ce83d.ipt.aol.com

Gside, No problem, I'm not touching their characters until they come back. I have respect for people in that manner.
That's why I ended it the way I did. I'm in a way waiting to see if they wish me to become involved. SOrry to offend if I did.

Gasper
MN, US
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 06:34:33 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Wheee! New MiST!

Mara> Alternative theory as to why Demmie is nearly as pale as I am. Golaith and co. roost outside and soak up sunlight, whereas Demona probably hasn't slept outside of shelter if she could help it since the fall of Wyvern.

BTW, did that file I sent open okay. I'm not sure I got Yahoo's attachments working right.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 06:13:23 PM
IP: ppp-336.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

Christine...

that was... beautiful.

Simply Beautiful.

Any btw guys, my lastest MiST has been posted in the archive.. and for once I'm not the only one to blame... Thomas and Coyote helped me out.
Mara Shinigami Cordova
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 06:09:14 PM
IP: spider-wm033.proxy.aol.com

Gasper> <<I'm trying to enter the RP through where [Doug] ahd Kitaina left off>>: Watch out, they loft for a week and had asked for their characters to be left alone until they returned.

Gunjack> <<we hope you have enjoyed our presentation of 'Incest Week'>>: Not until someone has done a thorough phychological evaluation of Jericho.
<<what would it take to bribe you to post that song in the near future?>>: I was planning on getting to it eventually, but was thinking of doing Johnny Saucep'n, The Drinking Song, the Gulf War Song, and maybe even The Lazy Boy before it (and that's just from Moxy Fru:vous). But, since you asked so nicely, I'll try to bump it up a few slots.
<>: As long as he's directing it specifically towards someone we all hate...
<<How about "I Feel Good"?>>: Got it, it'll get there eventually.
<<I'm hoping those were descriptions of C440, and not of my singing>>: Only one was C440, but none were your singing. That series is one of the running gags in the trheatened Spike Jones version ofThe Daring Young Man on the Flying Trapeeze.
<<whereas with passive measurments were taken>>: Take a look at http://www.npl.washington.edu/npl/int_rep/tiqm/TI_40.html#4.2

Warpmind> <<my final final: Information Technology; Systems Development>>: Sounds like fun.
<<it was your *sole* that was threatened>>: That'll teach me to listen instead of reading. Dang homophones. And could I be sure you would have been satisified with my sole?
<<There is no particular story behind the parasite>>: Oh well, I thought there might have been some great, as yet unknown evil behind it.
<>: Well, yeah, you already said you were going to use him.

Rodlox> <<<<Paul Gross>> _Due North_. {err...._Due South_}>>: Very good.

Warpmind> <<Call Lucifer at 666-HELL>>: Real numbers from Rutgers (of people I know, and with an assumed 37-): 3-HELL, 3-FAGS, FREE-KID. And for a good time, call Elsa 5-1999 (the number for the Touchtone Telephone Registration Service (TTRS), voiced by Dean Elsa Vineberg).

Fire Storm> <>: There is no point in actually doing it, plus you can't really ignore the death threats by PETA. And have you read Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency? There's a good little it about Schro:dinger in there.
<<do you have "The sinking of the edmund fitzgerald"?>>: Yup.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 06:00:47 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Fire Storm> What do you mean "Spacebabie is a traitor to all that is evil in the universe"? The Decepticons aren't evil, the Autobots are.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 03:35:11 PM
IP: dialin-1221-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

**Very Sad News....

M.J.Fox, star of tv and silver screen, will make his final appearance tonight in the season Finale of the tv series _Spin City_. not only is he leaving the show, he is also leaving acting {as far as i've heard, there are no exceptions}.

Even if you don't like the show, watch this one episode with me {in a manner of speaking - we all watch it}, please.

...i really can't think of anything else to say...other than "We'll Miss You, Mr. Fox!"

Rodlox
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 03:18:31 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

**I NEVER ENDED MY TD SPOILERS FROM EARLIER, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT; AND HOPE THAT THIS CONSTITUTES ADEQUATE SPOILERS FOR BOTH TD, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.....

You see, Cassandra; you didn't cause anything bad by your comments {some might say 'rants'} about Hercules&Xena. btw, email me offlist - i've a question for you about your stories {which are great!}.

Brooklyn said that they were tens of thousands of years before the present day. there was a pre-Sumerian city recently found - 6 thousand years old - and that's the oldest ever...so far.

how old are the Scrolls Of Aberjan? {from Angel}.

a thought for all those who commented that Titania = Hera, and thusly should hate all humanity: perhaps she does - but Cassandra now falls as a Halfling/Gargoyle, who is also under the Ageis/Protection/Purview of Prometheus.....besides, maybe there's an alliance between Titania and Prometheus.

thought/idea....remember when Mab visited Prometheus in Ireland? {Pendragon ep}....maybe the son he was weeping for was Brooklyn.

{after all, Chucullain's father was Lugh, god of light - which in Greek/Roman times was Apollo}...just a note/thought.....and i think somebody should point oiut to Rory that Lugh also slew his own father - might history repeat itself?

AND....

i'm honestly SHOCKED!! nobody noticed the fact that Pandora may not find gargoyles at all. didn't Prometheus say the following?: <<Prometheus turned partially away and pointed. "If you follow the setting sun you will travel towards one of the great oceans. If you keep your head about you as you journey, you may find things that will surprise you.">>.

anybody else getting rememberances from this?...maybe harking back to the B5 movie _ThirdSpace_ perhaps? "all the races we encountered thought us gods; and we, in our arrogance, began to believe it...we planned to storm the gates of heaven itself"

.....only what if it wasn't heaven? this may've been one of the first jailbreaks from Hell - prompting the first Hellcop {yep, Zeke's predecessor}. hmm...what would a fae dammed soul be like? {i mean, besides the worst nightmare of Oberon and Madoc alike - could that unify them, even briefly?}.

**OKAY, OKAY, I'LL END THE SPOILERS...SHEESH** ::)

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 02:59:56 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*****Kyryn sneaks in*****

Christine> ROTFLMAO!!!! I'm clenching my fists to keep from busting up, since I'm at work right now.

Gunjack>*grin* I'm not earning THAT much. They generally don't pay editors what we're worth. (Note: I edit TGS for nada, although that is a labor of love.)BTW, from your IP addy it looks like you are located in the Dallas area. If you are, are you going to A-kon?

***Kyryn sneaks out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 01:28:02 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Gside: <The point is to think about what happens before you look>
Oh, I know, I am just wondering if he actually tried that experiment, or if it was totally theoretical.
<but there are no lightfeet here>
Ok... that was bad.
Speaking of which... do you have "The sinking of the edmund fitzgerald"?

David G: <My air conditioner doesn't work. It's 80 degrees in my apartment.>
Heck, my computer room gets that bad even WITH the air on!

N!amhgold: <!'m hav!ng a lot of fun w!th th!s!!!!!>
Oh no!! What have ! done?!?!?!

Jannie: <I'm listed as checking certain rooms for bombs>
I thought that was a police responsability only.
But where will SHE be checking for bombs? Hmmm? :)

Buffy Stuff: WTF was that?!?! I didn't understand half of it! I loved it!

Spacebabie: <oh and DINOBOTS Rule!>
You are a traitor to all that is evil in this universe!

SJ: <but DAMN by blood pressure started rising when I saw Willow and Tara together in Xander's dream>
Oh yeah! As if their clothes wern't bad enough, then they started KISSING!
(Although, I am glad at how they did it. Not really showing the physical stuff between them, but meerly... "sugesting" it)

DPH: 
Ah. It's about time they made 700mhz xeons.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 01:10:39 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com

Quick bit o' silliness for you ... this is the result of Tim giving me a copy of Galaxy Quest for our anniversary ... I knew I'd have to do it sooner or later! Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/g_quest.html for a scene from "Gathering Quest" ; )
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:50:15 PM
IP: 07-122.009.popsite.net

Sev. Jr.> <<The Rock, as Conan>>: But would he have to develop an Austrian accent to
better match it up with the previous movies?

::imagines a samoan(sp) with an Austrian accent.... falls over laughing::

"The Rock says, hear me now and listen to me later... he guara-damn-tee's that he's gonna wipe out your puny little band of monkey asses! Ja...."

------What about in "The Eye of the Storm"- More or less it was Goliath's Choice to use the the Eye, but it was not his right mind and morals that controlled him. He was corrupted, but at the same time, he still thought he was doing the right thing. I agree, he probably isn't...but we can't use the Eye to justify it because no one knows what will happen if they use the Eye of Odin. It brings out your dominent qualities...Goliath's was Protection. How he sought it is a whole different matter entirely.

Exactly... a little creepy he was causing the problems (ie storms) just so he could be the protector... ah well... power corrupts...

Demona's coloring::

I've thought it over, and figure.. maybe skin tone is random from gargoyle to gargoyle. I mean, when the humans of Manhattan were turned gargoyle, there were some pretty funky alterations.. my favorite being the bearded butt-ugly mother holding the little demon's hand..
Mara Shinigami Cordova
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:46:40 PM
IP: spider-wj041.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind: odd thing abut that #....when somebody asked Detective Stone for his badge#, he answered "6-6-6" without hesitation.

Warpmind: okay then...offlist discussion? <G>.\

Rodlox
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:20:45 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Warpmind pops in.*
Well, my finals were done with earlier today... now, I have this strange urge to get drunk to excess, so that the memories might be somewhat wiped from my neurons...

Patrick Toman: the Souls thing... I like it. Of course, the ad would probably go something like this instead: "Unhappy with the way things are? Feeling as though life has left you in an unpleasant position? Worry no longer; for the mere expense of your soul, and an agreement to spend your afterlife in infinite agony, you can now rise to a position of power for the duration of your life! Immortality! Vast amounts of money! Nothing is impossible! Very reasonable deals offered! Call Lucifer at 666-HELL for further information; we'll have one of our agents at your threshold in no time."

Rodlox: Dietary reasons? Well, of sorts... but if I were to elaborate, I'd be in violation of the CR's ratings, I would recieve a warning from the CR Admin, and possibly get a few nasty glares from several of the female posters... As for Spike, well, I kinda doubt she's going to hurt you... much. In fact, I reckon she either missed the whole deal, or just let it pass as an honest mistake. :)

Well, later, you lunatic bunch. (A bunch I am proud and happy to belong to.)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:00:11 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

**TIMEDANCER SPOILERS**
<<with the whole world at her feet>> oh boy. {oh the potentials for taht phrase....}......

<<"Exactly. Most gargoyle Clans are large though, with more than fifty warriors of different Rookeries.">> so, does that mean that Clans often exchange warriors?...or is it that more gargoyles have short-term wanderlust than we�d thought?

<<"I�m Dr. Isaac Payne, Alumni of R.P.I., M.I.T., and Caltech, among others. I was the head of Project Chronos before I was torn from my home by this... vagabond.">> i�m frankly surprised Pandora didn�t go �arr pee - what??�

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:40:24 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hmmmm...not much to write this morning. Just passing the time before I have to go practice.
SOROW
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:29:23 AM
IP: dll2a030-0907.splitrock.net

Robustness argument: You're assuming robustness is a single trait. Do you have any reason why other than for simplicity's sake?

**COMPUTER RELATED**
I was talking about Xeon chips.
**END COMPUTER RELATED**

NERDS - Hmm. I consider myself one due to some of personal hobbies.

OTHELLO/Reversi - who many people in this room play that game? Just curious. Oh yea, I play the game too pretty well.

Christianity debate - my 2 cents - Religion shouldn't be forced upon anybody, and I apologize if any ancestors forced religion upon people.

XENA/HERCULES theology - May I draw a line to the TF mythos? The writers were 'forced' into a direction many of the fans didn't like. I am wondering if the writers of XENA/HERCULES were given any time to work out a theology of those series that would make sense and allow for great plotlines along the way.

Demona - hmm. I would add something but there's nothing for me to say except interesting theories.

Winterwolf, I couldn't have done it better myself.
**BFTS RP**
DPH regains consciousness and looks around. He sees Winterwolf with a bullet in him and unconscious. He sees Jason Filler and Plastique Saber in good shape. DPH decides to use lightning to revive Winterwolf. It works.

"I forgot to tell you one very important thing about that first ring I gave Jason Filler." said DPH.

"What?" replies Winterwolf, Jason Filler, and Plastique Saber at the same time.

"It does a lot more than dim light bulbs. It can be used to create darkness. But more importantly, it can be used to stop attacks . ." said DPH.

"How?" interrupted Jason Filler.

"Simple. Think 'Protect' and concentrate on up to 4 people and no weapons nor magical attacks can hurt them. The downside of this ring is for magic users. If a person has magical blood in their veins or practices magic, the ring ALWAYS go after the magical power and drains the person to the point of collapsing. Don't worry about the 2nd ring interferring with the 1st ring. I took care of that." said DPH.
**END BFTS RP**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:26:22 AM
IP: max1-18.cwy.cei.net

Redheads & tanning>>> It has to do with the amount of melanin (a pigment produced by the reaction of two enzymes found in the skin) produced by the body. Brunettes have a lot of melanin, which is why they tend to tan easily. Blondes have less but redheads have very little and tend to be more sensitive to sunlight.
Spike
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 09:43:43 AM
IP: pppt07-06.ght.iadfw.net

Hi ya'll
They're fixing my AC. I hope it will be done by tonight. Last night was no fun. I slept under two fans, which was about cool enough, but made so much noise I had a hard time sleeping.

Thanks for the sympathy.

Now, on to a couple of replies:
Warpmind> No, I wasn't casting pottery in my apartment. I guess I should have said 80 (f).

Valentine> Just fans? Do you even have a water fan? Lots of shade?

Christianity> Technically, you can be "good" and not be a christian. (Lots of christians don't know this, which makes them very irritating to the rest of us) The tragedy of that, from a christian point of view, is that you will have lived a good life, and still be damned to hell for eternity because you were not ransomed by the grace of God.

Of course, another thing lots of christians tend to forget is that only God decides who is saved. I would like my fellow christians a lot more if they were a little less judgemental and a little more interested in love.

I feel compelled to note that "harm none" describes a wider range of behavior than "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The first tells you what you SHOULDN'T do. The second tells you what you SHOULD do. (There are lots of people, Christian and not, who can't even get the first part right, though.)

Demona's complexion> I suppose the answer "it's just magic" isn't going to satisfy anybody, so how about this. Demona is immortal, and heals from wounds more quickly than other people. The process of tanning is brought about to protect you from solar radiation, so maybe her immortality supersedes that process.

The other possibility is that Gargoyle DNA, when transformed into Human DNA, just takes on different characteristics in different individuals. The resulting traits might not even be predictable based on human norms. Thus, Demona is very pale, while Goliath has a darker complexion even though they look fairly similar as Gargoyles.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 09:07:40 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

<-- Frigfhtneningly enough, out of all Canon Gargoyles, we look the most like him {not such a belly, though}....or the guy on the cover of the book _Relic_.

Gside: <<Paul Gross>> _Due North_. {err...._Due South_}.

Gunjack: <<So, do you have many problems with noisy parties in the vacinity?>> well, that�s a specist remark if i ever herd one....and no, though i can recall one from my ancestors.

{can you see my specist remark to you?}.

<<By the way, what *was* that eye thing, anyway?>> When my pupils {in my eyes} go vertical, whatever i�m looking at sees their greatest fear reflected back at them.

<<Please don't say that kindo of thing while I'm drinking coffee!>> my apologies to the coffee. {and you shoulda seen what i _almost_ typed there}.

<<Heck, 'mano,>> saying that�s like saying �whaz up, sista?� to Demona - death would be welcome.

<< you think being a hulking, iron-clawed behemoth means you can't use good hardware? No way! It just means you get bigger toys! I was going to recomend a nice light automatic like the MP-5/10>> _when in doubt, drag them into quicksand and swim downwards_.....works like a charm.

Warpmind: <<And that scale includes RL women, as well as fictional ones. Strangely, human females are in minority, for some reason...) >> umm...dietary reasons? {sorry, grendel humor}.

<<About outbreeding; I guess you should have mentioned the exceptionally rare Ozema among those crossbreed species there; it is the mix of an Ozelot and a Puma.>> ....also known as the North American cheetah-analogue. {to avoid confusion with teh extinct North American Cheetahs and the Indian {subcontinent} Cheetahs}.

<<Um... pretty sure; she posts under the name Spike...>> normally, there are very few things that terrify grendels {most of them involve disrupting our genetic memories}...but I�M SCARED SPINELESS!! {no offense intended to any invertibrate members of the CR}.

*starts running as fast as possible away from the CR, to a defensable position - and keeps on going.....*
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 08:04:59 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS *

BUFFY: I liked the bizarre dream sequences in this one, although I don't have too much to say about them. So that was Adam sitting opposite Riley in Buffy's dream? I honestly didn't recognize him without his demon and cybernetic parts. At any rate, it was a good episode.

ANGEL: A very good episode as well. The demon warrior was probably one of their best villains this season (I particularly liked the look). Darla's return at the end surprised me, especially since she was killed in the first season of "Buffy" (the ep where it was revealed that Angel was a vampire). I wonder how Wolfram & Hart restored her. And I've got to agree that it's rather sad that Lindsay winds up staying with the forces of darkness.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 07:34:42 AM
IP: 216.87.46.197.dialup-stl.primary.net

*walks into the room with her phone in her hand* Oh well, I'll try to call him later, maybe this weekend.

Dinosaur review > Man, for a neat movie you guys get mixed up on the voice actors ? Anyway, don't put in too many spoilers, I'm seeing the movie after my ROTC final on Friday.

Demona topic > Geez, it has been a long time since I've seen a typical Gargoyles topic. I got to thank the person who started this. *starts looking*

*is about to leave, sees Robby, runs over to him and hugs him tightly, smiles at him, then leaves*
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 07:08:13 AM
IP: ac9a7281.ipt.aol.com

Quick random thoughts on various topics...

Naptser & Metallica > Evidently enough users to fill a list of 300k didn't think Metallica was serious the first time. People keep it up and Napster will be down to about 5 users in no time flat.

Religion > Religion by its nature implies faith in at least some things which can NOT be proven or arrived at by logical reasoning. So there's no way to prove or disprove by pure logical argument which religion is "right" and which is "wrong."

On the topic of souls > A classified ad I'd like to see under "Items Wanted, Miscellaneous,"... "Cash paid for souls, any condition. Call Lucifer - 666-0000."

Brooklyn / Goliath debate > Nobody is perfect... both characters have their strengths AND their flaws.

Demona as a human > Even more interesting than her skin being so light is that she does NOT have freckles in human form, which is ussually a trait typical of natural redheads.

:: checks the time and scampers off to work ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 07:03:02 AM
IP: 98a76436.ipt.aol.com

Okay, as promised...

*********************DINOSAUR REVIEW************************
Hmm...how to begin? Visually, this movie was a sumptuous feast. I was awestruck throughout the entire picture, oohing and ahhing at the lushness of detail. The technique used was pretty cool; they managed to blend the CG and real shots almost seamlessly. They almost have conquered the "light" problem (CG ceatures not looking realistic in natural light). The fur on the lemurs was _dang_ impressive (Well, except for on that mangy one, but that might have been intensional.) Just saw a commercial for the film today, and was amazed at how much detail was lost on the small screen--and it's still _incredible_ even on televison. I would recommend anyone see this film for the pure visual aspect alone.

...Unfortunately, that's the about biggest recommendation I can give. If the movie visually is an extravegent feast, story- and character-wise it's more like warmed-up leftovers. No spoilers at this point, but let me say that the whole affair felt very "paint-by-the-numbers" to me. I wouldn't call it _bad_, exactly...more like dull. So very vanilla. I feel most disappointed by the squandered potencial. I don't know if they were trying to play it safe or what, but if that was the case, they overdid it. A lot. Maybe they didn't use every cliche in the book, but they certainly fit a lot of them in there. I wasn't too thrilled about the basic plot in the first place, but it could have worked if they had put a twist on it, instead of relying on the predictable.

And speaking of cliches--the characters (or lack thereof) were nothing more than one-dimensional stereotypes. Let's see...we've got the Mother, the Bully, the "Honey-Chile" Grandmother figure, the Misfit, the Proper Spinster, the Love Interest, and the protagonist, who as far as I could tell, didn't even have a one-dimensional personality. He didn't have any personality at all. I'm sure some of this is the result of too many characters with too little screen time to develop any of them to any degree. Anyway, because of this,I really didn't care whether most of the characters lived or died, with a few small exceptions.

Then there's this whole wierd sort of thing about having most of the dinosaurs anthropomorphized, speaking and acting like humans. Not so much a problem in the idea of that; this is an animated fantasy, after all, and you almost have to expect it (tho' the theatrical teaser they showed before TOY STORY 2 with no speaking was soooo much cooler and I wish the entire movie actually had been like that). The Problem is the pick and choose between the dinosaurs. Why should it be that most of the dinosuars have human intellegence and speech, while the raptors and carnotaurs and the like remain dumb and seem to be of a more bestial, unintelligent nature? They are reduced to threats with teeth. And why should one dinosaur act and think like a dog?!? That bugged the heck outta me. Besides, wouldn't a carnotaur be much more interesting if it were as intelligent as its prey?

Well, most of the dinosaurs and lemurs did speak though, and here is another aspect I feel a bit better about: the voice cast. I can think of no one whom I thought did a bad job; everyone was at least adequate. Moreover, there were a few people who did a phenominal job, namely Alfre Woodard, Della Reese, and Ossie Davis. The characters they voiced were the only ones I felt any connections with at all, and believe me, it was because of the great work they did, being able to add a little soul to some pretty flat characters. (No surprise about Alfre; I maintain she's the most talented actress of her generation.)

All in all...even though it could have been soooooo much better, storywise, I'd still encourage people to give it a try. (If it was traditional animation, though, I'd say skip it, because the storytelling is pretty weak.)
*********************END DINOSAUR REVIEW********************

Robby > <<...the character acted and sounded a *lot* like Timone>> Yeah, I suppose they did kind of sound simular. I'd disagree about acting alike, tho'...Timone actually had a personality ;) The mangy lemur (forgot his name) reminded me much more of Jar-Jar Binks. **spoiler** And, heh, my friends and I were thinking "So much for the gene pool!" when he finally hooks up with all those lemur chicks at the end. **end spoiler***

Okay, I gotta work early tomorrow. Hopefully I'll catch up with the CR in the next couple days.
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 03:41:13 AM
IP: ctrts2-2.mrs.umn.edu

*Warpmind enters, yawning.*
Sorry, guys. I'm a bit tired right now; I rose frematurely from the dead... I mean, bed. And to top it off, today's my final final: Information Technology; Systems Development. :|

Fire Storm: Hmmm... I guess you said it all. :) 'Course, if I were ever to use a throttle, I'd rather have that as an additional stick, rather than a part of the main flightstick.

Rodlox: Does Christi Smith Hayden read the CR? Um... pretty sure; she posts under the name Spike...

Mara: Why is it that everyone keeps confusing me with Wilek these days? Sheesh, have I had a bout of depression that I'm unaware of? C'mon, *HE* is the blue gargoyle, I'm the Illuminatus with the scruffy hat. Oh, and I have no fear whatsoever. ;)

Wilek: Compadre, when I made that comment abotu the prison system, I *was* referring to the system as it stands today... I'm all for abandoning the current system; as for those earning severe punishment: remember that deathtrap maze discussed earlier? :) Survive and go free, die and, well, you're gone.

Gside: Yuo removed your soul for safekeeping? Whatever for? If you read my post again, you will notice it was your *sole* that was threatened; I can give good chase when angered. ;)

Rodlox: About outbreeding; I guess you should have mentioned the exceptionally rare Ozema among those crossbreed species there; it is the mix of an Ozelot and a Puma. However, as far as I know, there is only one alive... the others in the litter never made it. But, the conception was done the "natural" way, so it could happen in nature. :)

Gunjack Valentine: What, you do not approve of means to immobilize your opponent before going for the kill? Tsk, there is NO SUCH THING as Overkill. ;) As for the sickles, I mean the crescent-shaped ones, on the short handle. The Celtic (I believe) model. :) If you've ever read Asterix, you know what I mean. Oh, and one thing: you dreamt of a stormtrooper whose armor deflected all your shots? Impossible! Blaster shots go through Stormtrooper armor as though it was cardboard!

Rodlox (again): You think Asrial looks like a human with wings? Well, I'd say a human with *horns* and wings, but I see what you mean, yeah. :) (She's ranking quite high on my Hot Chick-o-Meter. And that scale includes RL women, as well as fictional ones. Strangely, human females are in minority, for some reason...)

Mecord: Ack, your battle with DC & friends sounds fierce! My sympathies. *Sends positive vibes to Mecord, and negative ones at DC.*

David G: 80 degrees in your apartment? Um... Please say it's Fahrenheit. ;)

Delphi: Ooo, I like those quotes... I feel quite attached to no. 23 and 33...

S: I see we're not going to agree on this... shall we just agree to disagree, and drop the subject peacefully?

By the way, I just recieved some papers from the Hermetic Order of the Celtic Cross... so, these guys, are they all Cand. Magi or something? (Pun intended; feel free to assault me fiercely with peanuts.)

Gside again: There is no particular story behind the parasite; I'm not what you could gall a geneticist, but I'm guessing that it was a mutation of an existing parasite, or maybe a classified government experiment on the loose. Either way, more s**t WILL happen. ]:) (By the way, I hope now you see why I was looking for Marrok, eh? The pun was absolutely unintentional, sure.) ;)

Gunjack Valentine (Again): The Christianity debate: one peculiar thing about the Apostolic Order (or whatever it's usually known by), where Christ tells his diciples to go out and make all people his, is this: there is a virtually identical commandment in Islam, except in Islam, as I recall the translated segment from the Koran correctly, it is said to convert by force of arms if necessary. That is not mentioned in the Bible... but which of the two has done so more throughout history? (the *really* weird bit there is that it's the same God...)

Well, that's about it. Time for me to join the bloody fray, i.e. finals... I'll be seeign you... I hope.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 03:29:36 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

Stink, I accidentally submitted early... :P Sorry for the double post, I'll try to make it quick.

Rodlox - Heck, 'mano, you think being a hulking, iron-clawed behemoth means you can't use good hardware? No way! It just means you get bigger toys! I was going to recomend a nice light automatic like the MP-5/10, but with that kind of strength, you oughta be able to pack a 25mm Bushmaster...
By the way, what *was* that eye thing, anyway?

*Looks at watch*
There. *NOW* I'm finished. See y'all tomorrow...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 02:38:01 AM
IP: nas-49-124.dallas.navipath.net

Mara><> And here I was thinking we'd missed the Apacolypse... <<What about in "The Eye of the Storm"? He practically sealed Elisa Angela and the other two people in a living tomb, for "protection", using the power of the eye of Odin to control the weather. Goliath is not above corruption.>> Uh, I agree with you on the rest of the stuff, but the Eye corrupts the wearer no matter what they do, and they're not really responsible for their actions while possessed.

Delphi - Thanks for the puns! I'll be sure to pass that last one on to my Harley-idealizing buddy... :) <<If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.>> That's why they have backup chutes. Of course, if you actualy have to "try, try again", you're pretty much screwed... :)

Jannie><<She handed out bomb threat procedures today and I'm listed as checking certain rooms for bombs... ummmm yeah, right. No way in hell am I sticking around in the building looking for a bomb...>> You oughta pass that on to a cop... They'd get a real kick out of it. :) Did this lady's brain previously belong to an "Abby Normal"? <> *winces* Ouch... >_< <> O_o ...Malpractice, anyone?

S><<Neither of them could be (Rr) because that is heterozygous dominant for 'robust' and neither of them are robust>> Oooockay, to many technicals for me.... o_O Glad to meet you, by the way... Sorry for the hiccups the last couple of days... :P Things'll calm down in a few days. *switches to Rip Torn voice* Or else you'll have a psychotic episode... :)

Niamhgold><<Hmmm...appropriate handling fees--as much as gas was, I suppose.>> *Valentine buries his face in his hands and weeps*
It's obvious we still have a long way to go... Be sure to check out David Xanatos' "Situational Ethics in Business" after class today... ;)

Shadowrider><<Good scenographies, though, and good fighting scenes (except the battle in the beginning...too confused, that flipping camera could cause the worst emicranics in headache's history...>> Really? Ithought the first battle was the best... Especially the cavalry charge. Loved that burning sword part.
This reminded me of something. Was it my imagination, or were the cavalry troops using three-foot versions of the gladius? After Maximus losses his gladius in the tree, he switches to a second, longer sword... And the Preatoriens were using them at the "execution". My only complaint was that the arms and armor were a bit off throught the movie...

David G><<Hi. My air conditioner doesn't work. It's 80 degrees in my apartment. I just felt like sharing.>> Wow... You have air conditioning? j/k :) I usually make do with fans all summer... And that's Texas Summer.

Winterwolf><<If we actually saw it happen I think that would be way over the top. *shudders* I wonder if it was something that hit the cutting room floor ASAP.>> *Valentine shuffles a stack of paper, and smiles at an imaginary camera*
And there you have it, folks. From discussions on the Single-Couple theory of Gargoyle origins to the private lives of the Roman emporers, we hope you have enjoyed our presentation of 'Incest Week'. For TGS/CR, this is Marius Valentine, wishing you and your family a happy summer.
:)

Rodlox><<Muse: "and her parent got a little too friendly with teh antelopes.">> Please don't say that kindo of thing while I'm drinking coffee! :D <<people don�t slug a grendel and walk away - they try to run, yes.>> You're a Grendel? Sorry, I hadn't noticed... ;) So, do you have many problems with noisy parties in the vacinity? <<My pupils return to normal, and i look at GunJack. �do i really need one?�>> Heck, 'mano, you think being a hulking, iron-clawed behemoth means you can't use good hardware? No way! It just means you get bigger toys! I was going to recomend a nice light automatic like the MP-5/10

Kryryn><<Good news! I've got a permanent job. *grin* I'm now a copy editor. LOL.>> Congrats! *switches into Conspiricy Mode* Soooo... Now that you have a job, you'll be buying the drinks, right? :)

Gside><<But I was thinking about standard military issue-type weapons.>> Ah. I guess the military wouldn't take too kindly to you 'improving' their weapons, would they? But that's only during times of piece. Get yourself off the playground, and resources are your only limits... <<. By the way, do you like to keep it in the refridgerator? Keeps the powder dry and the action quicker.>> Okay, what would it take to bribe you to post that song in the near future? :) <> I was refering to the "DIE" part... Better not to introduce Mr. Fuzzybutt to the CR with an open death threat to half the inhabitants... :) *Ignores Bun-Bun's menacing glare*
<<Which one? Roland? Grenada? The Daring Young Man on the Flying Trapeeze>> How about "I Feel Good"? It certianly describes the mood... :) <<*C440* *sound like a dying seal* *cow bell*>> I'm hoping those were descriptions of C440, and not of my singing... <<As far as I know, it can't really be done.>> If I remember corectly, they DID do an expiriment where light was shown through rectangular slits in a barrier. When left alone, I believe the light formed two ovals on the backdrop, whereas with passive measurments were taken, the light pattern changed. Anyone ever hear of this? I think I read about it in 'Popular Science' a while back...

Cassandra><> Don't worry, its a *fun* can of worms! Non-violent religious discussion is always refreshing... <<There was a statement made by Satan when she showed up on Hercules that "I get the people too evil for Tartrus.">> Out of curiosity, what's up with the all-female cellestial cast? First Gabrial(le), then Satan... And we've got Alanis rounding out the pack as God. Seems to be quite a popular pastime these days.
<<My problem with Christianity is that it preaches that its way is the "only" way and everyone who doesn't follow is condemned.>> The whole thing goes back to Plato's Cave. Are you familiar with the analogy?
Christians truly believe that they have been given the one objective Morality (thus christianity as the "only way"), and any other action than sharing that knowledge with others is evil. If that view is right, than any other path than the Moral one is misguided, and if the core statements of Christianity are true, Condemnation follows logically. The Devil's existence is actually secondary to the above arguement.

I hope I'm not bugging you with all this. If Christianity is right, it should be possible to defend it logically... And if not, I'd like to know while my "wild years" are still ahead of me. ;)

Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 02:32:25 AM
IP: nas-49-124.dallas.navipath.net

***Begin RP***
Taking out a small oval shaped piece of electronics, he opened it, took out the lens and slid it over his right ear and eye. The green lens powered up, and immediately scanned the vicinity. With the first sweep, he could tell there was five beings atleast 200 feet awaay. Peeking out from behind the rock, he scanned for the firsts powerlevel, finding it at a paltry 50, with the laser rifle included. Easy prey, he thought to himself. Making sure the Scouter was firmly attached to his ear, he prepped himself, then suddenly dived out from behind the rock and rolled into a standing position, already powered up for his first ki Blast. Extending his arm with a palm out, he threw the energy bomb hitting one of the beings dead center in the chest. The other four pulled up their blasters and began their firing once more. Seeing the four streams of energy flying at him, he blurred out of sight, and ended up right behind the thrid man. Grabbing him by the neck, he lifted him up, took his gun and shot the main point blank. Burnt meat and flesh wafted in the air. The remaining three were surprised to find their other comrade dead, but didn't live in that state long as three squeezes of the trigger, they were burnt to a crisp.

Looking at the five beings Gasper had destroyed, he searched their corpses, finding a small radio device and two power cells for the blaster Carbine he now held. Putting the hand held comlink like radio into passive mode, letting him listen but not send, it was already bustling with activity.

"Sir, the clones have been destroyed, but we have most of the opposition pinned in one of the mountain passes and more then likely they do not know our position." The Comm was silent for a second when a new voice came over.

"Surround them, they have caused us enough trouble, and now we kill them. Have Jenner Squadron come to those quadrents that the interlopers are in, and to kill them with Extreme Prejudice." Clipping the link to his scouter, which surprisingly had a docking port for it, he summoned up hiis Ki in a massive force and lifted into the air. If he was correct the pass would be about 1/2 a mile up from his current posistion, and maybe he could get there in time to help....

****END RP****

Hello all, sorry for my delay in RP and for the fact I've been gone a good three days. I just started work with the Housing Dept. on Campus, and basically, got screwed out of a net connection for 2 days. Played havoc on me...but I'm back, so don't fret....or do...depends.

------What about in "The Eye of the Storm"- More or less it was Goliath's Choice to use the the Eye, but it was not his right mind and morals that controlled him. He was corrupted, but at the same time, he still thought he was doing the right thing. I agree, he probably isn't...but we can't use the Eye to justify it because no one knows what will happen if they use the Eye of Odin. It brings out your dominent qualities...Goliath's was Protection. How he sought it is a whole different matter entirely.

SJ- I haven't read all the way back from Sat. Evening, but how is your father doing? I hope he is well.

S--Was never good in science...and I have no clue what you just said, but sounds good to me.

Doug--I check the page, and your link to the Posts page was dead. COuld you fix that? I'm interested in seeing the history. Also, I'm trying to enter the RP through where you ahd Kitaina left off, if you have no problems with that. If you do, I will respectfully withdraw.

Robby- Red Heads burn like crazy in the sun. MOre or less, I inherited some of that trait from my Mom who was a Red Head. We don't get tan...we just get kinda red....and it hurts likea a blank.

Hm...somewhere I heard they wanted to make a new Conan...that would have to be interesting, though the Rock would be a good choice.

X-men Movie looks kinda good, though I fear that it might bomb BIGTIME. Here's hoping it doesn't.

*****NOT TRYING TO START A WAR!*******
Metallica has submitted another list of 300K in names.....sad....but I can see where they are coming from.....who knows anymroe. *Ducks and covers.*
*****END NOT TRYING TO START A WAR!******

Well, that's it from me. Time to hit the hay soon too. Talk to you later. Have a good week.

Gasper
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 01:55:22 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Mara- WHy is Demona lily whit ein human form? I dunno if Greg has answered that one... If all else fails, blame the immortality spell. SHe's permanently merged with Macbeth, preserved as she was when that spell was cast, and so she can't tan. Or genetics. SOmething about redheads that usually keeps them from tanning. (THis came up just a few weeks ago didn't it?)
Robby
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 01:44:16 AM
IP: spider-wo063.proxy.aol.com

**SPOILERS**Warpmind> Forgot last time, but I caught your latest fic. Very nice seeing everything building up (and Marrok). But is there any story behind the parasite? **/SPOILER**

Shadowrider> <>: I think I'll test that stance of yours: It should ahve been "worry about being a pedant." I'll try to refrain from non-chronic mistakes from here on out.

Niamhgold> <>: that would not surprise me in the least.
<<optical engineer>>: Does that mean he works on fiber optics? If so he's probably really a ceramics (and materials) engineer.

S> <<when Goliath was human, his skin tone was darker than the rest of the clan's?>>: That's because they modeled the humans after the voice actors. They couldn't match Keith David's skin tone exactly without making it obvious he should have been from a different continent.

Sev. Jr.> <<The Rock, as Conan>>: But would he have to develop an Austrian accent to better match it up with the previous movies?

Mara> <<why is Demona, who is immortal and out ages Goliath by a thousand years, lily-white in human form?>>: I vote it's a side effect of the preservative nature of the immortality spell.

And guess what: it's wednesday, time for a new mp3. Is there any pattern left to my madness? I'm not sure even I know. I present a stirring tale about the sinking of a ship, but there are no lightfeet here. I give you the Robert MacKenzie by Paul Gross. Bonus points to anyone who figures out what else he is famous for before the last ten seconds of the song.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 01:12:36 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

AGGH DOUBLE POST GOMEN GOMEN!!!!!!!

(I HATE HHH. "Game" my ass. Vinnie Mac is crazy taking away the title and putting it on that jabronie. Grrr....)

In defense of one of my harem men, Triple H... I watched the Iron Man Match.. drooled excessively.. but still. That match as called straight down the center,by the HeartBreak Kid Shawn Micheals. Vinnie Mac had little to do with why Rock lost. Rock lost because Micheals saw the Undertaker's interference. All of DX's interference DOES NOT count because the Rock knocked Micheals out of the ring. If the ref doesnt see it, it doesnt mean a thing. Rock only had himself to blame for that.The falls were tied only because Triple H had been Ten-counted out. If I am not mistaken ( I'll review the tape to make surte if you want) triple H had gotten more pinfalls than the Rock, he would have won anyway. But it was an INCREDIBLE match and both men were amazing.Besides.. the Rock did NOTHING with the championship for period of time between Backlash and Judgement day. He barely even wore the darn thing, just kinda hung it off his shoulder. Triple H made better use of the belt and actually cares about being WWF champion, Rock has made it clear the only champion he cares about being is the People's (Or Mark's as Ilike to call them) Champion. The only thing that ruined a perfect match was DX/Regime interference. The MCMahon's proved that they had no faith in Hunter by coming down to ringside when he specifically said he wanted to do this, succeed or fail, on his own.

Goliath being tanned while human- Greg Weisman has answered this one before. Behind the scenes answer, it made Goliath stand out more. On the show answer, Goliath had been alive longer than the trio and had thus absorbed more light, and Hudson has been staying indoors alot.

But then, why is Demona, who is immortal and out ages
Goliath by a thousand years, lily-white in human form?
Mara Shinigami Cordova
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:27:01 AM
IP: spider-wm033.proxy.aol.com

***ANGEL SPOILERS***

sheesh, they even have all these monks just standing by, just in case of events like these come up?

{i'm not even gonna ask where they got the 5 vampires}.

the actress who does Cordelia does "going insane" quite well!

they blew up Wesley? {and he only needed a few bandages? shoot: only a few bandages away from being a Dammed Soul}. <G>.

those guys got great reflexes - they didn't fire. though the "iron in your diet" may or may not have been a jab at Angel's vampriphagous tendancies.

the downside of all this is that Angel's now - supposedly, at least - defeated the alpha warrior of 'Hell' {which might make Zeke laugh a bit}...what's left? 'all downhill from here' somebody once said.

the guy was probably figuring _i betray this Firm, hand over their secrets, and i get a "you've done good" in return? i think i'll stay longer...maybe help Angel's cause some..._

....but now, that ain't likely gonna happen!

he gets a human life? won't that be...i don't know - maybe _Anti-Climactic_ after everything he's been through?? {though the issue of souls in _Angel_ and _Brimstone_ are just too earily similar to be ignored!: both are trying to get a 2nd chance to live a normal human life}.

that's the Beast? excuse me while i cowr...bwhahahaaa...i smell something..."what is that? oh yes: brimstone!" -youknowwho..._BRIMSTONE_. {i wonder how old she is...}.

***END SPOILERS***
Rodlox
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:24:04 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

NO...IGNORE THAT....I DIDN'T MEAN TO SENT IT SO SOON!!!

- rodlox.

Anonymous
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:13:23 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

**walks into the CR, with a haunted expression**

I have seen the Dark Side of people.. I have seen horrors beyond your imagining..

They have a Mary Kate and Ashey Olsen doll.

Horrors I tell you. Horrors.

Mara-->"Not as mature as Goliath in *any* respects." 'Course not. "So its hard to compare the two as equals..." Of course it is. They're far too different from each. "until either "the Cage"?" No, "The Kingdom, I think. Uh, sorry Brooklyn still isn't there. You see, at first, Brooklyn went ahead down to the labyrinth, because he still hoped Maggie would want him.

Well.. duh.. dont we all kinda hold onto the hope that the person we're attracted to will somehow favor us? Makes the show more human.. move on. he made the right decision finally though, probably hurt more than anything to do.
Goliath doesn't do things like that for his own personal gain.

::blink::

What about in "The Eye of the Storm"? He practically sealed Elisa Angela and the other two people in a living tomb, for "protection", using the power of the eye of Odin to control the weather. Goliath is not above corruption.

"or 'Future Tense'" *stares* That's a big fat no right there. Goliath isn't rude and disrespectful and doesn't lower himself and punch someone who's been gone for a long time and trying to collect their wits. Goliath went through many hardships but he didn't turn out bitter and everything didn't go to h-e- double hockey stick under 'his' leadership.

Things were going to go to hell no matter what, Future Tense was a manipulation of Goliath's fears, so that he would give up the Gate. Personally I think Puck overdid it by killing off EVERYONE

He doesn't go around copying other people's speech and movement habits and do a horrible job at it, people who he's supposed to hate.

Huh? When?

*shrugs* There you have it.

Yup. let's just agree to disagree.. or something... (ok, I'm not eloquent tonight, sue me)

Mara Shinigami Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:12:43 AM
IP: spider-wm033.proxy.aol.com

***ANGEL SPOILERS***

the guy was probably figuring _i betray this Firm, hand over their secrets, and i get a "you've done good" in return? i think i'll stay longer...maybe help Angel's cause some..._

....but now, that ain't likely gonna happen!

that's the Beast? excuse me while i cowr...bwhahahaaa...i smell something..."what is that? oh yes: brimstone!" -youknowwho..._BRIMSTONE_.

***END SPOILERS***

Rodlox
Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:11:58 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

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Anonymous
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:54:25 PM
IP: spider-wd061.proxy.aol.com

Daniel Johnson>> HAPPY B-DAY, welcome to the third decade!!!!
delphi - [cmiller2magiclink.com]
twin falls, idaho
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:41:43 PM
IP: twin58u.magiclink.com

Goliath being tanned while human- Greg Weisman has answered this one before. Behind the scenes answer, it made Goliath stand out more. On the show answer, Goliath had been alive longer than the trio and had thus absorbed more light, and Hudson has been staying indoors alot.

The Rock as Conan- I dunno... I don't think his hair is red enough... Oh wait, the OTHER Conan... Hmm. COnsidering that role previously belonged to Arnold in the days where he wasn't allowed to say more than a few lines a movie...
Robby
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:36:35 PM
IP: spider-to061.proxy.aol.com

A few things tonight:

With all the recent wrestling talk, I thought I'd add this: WWF star The Rock (I HATE HHH. "Game" my ass. Vinnie Mac is crazy taking away the title and putting it on that jabronie. Grrr....) is being considered to play none other than....Conan the Barbarian! Seems the folks who own the rights to the movie franchise want to restart the property with a new Conan film, and the Rock is tops on their list of potential loin-clothed barbarians. The Rock, as Conan! By Crom, I don't know about anyone else, but I would pay 8 bucks to see him lay the smackdown on some evil Stygians!

S: I kind of like you. You're, as my mom would say, "full of piss and vinegar". What's the deal with Brooklyn, though? I mean, you seem to have an unhealthy dislike for him.
I think the reason more people like Brook, or seem to like him, over Goliath is that (1) Brook is just a more flamboyant personality compared to Goliath's quiet stoic demeanor. And (2) Goliath, at least in my book, seems kind of static. Over the course of the series, he doesn't grow as a character nearly as much as Brooklyn does. Brooklyn is very dynamic, and changes a lot over the course of the show, but Goliath doesn't seem to. That doesn't mean he's not as good a character, it just possibly makes him less interesting than Brooklyn.

****ANGEL AND BUFFY SPOILERS/REVIEWS****
BUFFY: Is is just me, or did it seem like Joss Whedon was channeling David Lynch? Tonight's Buffy has to go down as by far the most surreal of the show's history. I'm not quite sure what to make of it, but it gives us a lot to think about and opens the door to a lot of what may go down next season.
The basic plot is that the spirit of the first Slayer, this cool cavewoman badass, is pissed cause Giles used that spell last episode to augment Buffy's powers, thus offending the "source" of the powers. So she tries to rough up Buffy and the gang while they dream. I thought that, overall, the show was pretty damn funny. A lot of gags to go around. I particularly loved Riley in Willow's dream ("I get to be Cowboy Guy!"), Anya's bizarre driving technique, and Riley and Adam's response to an imminent demon invasion ("We'll need to build a fort." "I'll go get some pillows"). I liked all the cameos--Harmony, Principal Snider, Spike as Giles' "son", Joyce, Olivia....LOVED Giles' singing. God that made me smile! :) The rest of the dreams were generally pretty bizarre and surreal, but they give us some insight into the Scooby Gang.
I liked the way that they focused on each character's fears. There's plenty there to think about. Willow is horrified that people will discover the "real" her (presumably, her lesbianism) and reject her. Xander is afraid that his life lacks direction (there was a small, yet interesting scene where it seems to show he's had bad problems with his family. I would like to see more of this...). Giles fears not being needed. And most of all, Buffy fears being alone and there's hinting that she fears exactly what she really is. It seems as if they're going to focus on this in the next season. As the first Slayer told her, she sould be alone. Just the kill. I think Buffy is scared to death of this, because she fears it may be right. She may be scared of just what she is, and how her life can turn out. I hope they explore this in the future.
Overall, a very good episode, if somewhat odd. I give it 9 out of 10.
BTW....this comes strictly from a male point of view....but DAMN by blood pressure started rising when I saw Willow and Tara together in Xander's dream. Whoo! Joss, you just can't do that to us males! I mean, you CAN do it....should do it...but don't tease us unless you're gonna give us the goods! ;) P.S. Spacebabie, you know me too well!!! :)

ANGEL: EXCELLENT episode tonight! This is the kind of episode they should have had all season. Not that I've thought the season was bad, but tonight we finally get a metaplot!
I liked the various cameos tonight. It was good to see Kate again, and to see Angel put her in his place, and I liked seeing Gunn (*crosses fingers* please let him be a recurring character!) and David Nabbitt (loved the D&D joke). I thought that Vohca was a very imposing demon, and he certainly played hell with Angel. First he makes Cordy go bonkers, then blows up Angel's swingin' bachelor pad, nearly with Wesley in it. Needless to say, I was glad to see him get the axe between the eyes. I was somewhat disappointed in the fact that Lindsey is now a full fledged villain...but he's chosen his path. Looks like Wolfram & Hart will be *the* main villains of the metaplot, and I have no problem with that.
But I like the direction Angel is heading in. This whole season was wise, I think, on Whedon's part: he sets up Angel in L.A., shows us his supporting cast and establishes some villains. Now, as the show enters the second season, we're finally ready for the metaplot! And it's a doozy--Angel must stop an apocalypse or two, and then he becomes human. I loved this. This is brilliant, I think. One of the big problems with Angel is that, well, he doesn't change like Buffy. He just stays the same lovable, yet brooding, Angel. Joss has even discussed this in recent interviews. But they've found a way to overcome this and keep him from becoming static--they'll have him work his way to becoming human! Excellent in my book.
And they ended on a cliffhanger, didn't they? Of all the old villains that they'd have return to plague Angel, I would have never guessed Darla. Dru would have been my first guess....Overall, excellent episode. 10 out of 10. I can't wait till next season!
***END REVIEWS****
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:23:18 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

News on My grandma, Well I saw her recently and she has a black eye((had that ouch)) Stitches in her forehead and an arm in a sling. My granparenst are suing the hotel where she fell. Nana Tripped on a RUG TAHT WAS ON ADISABLED RAMP. Why would anyone put a rug there?

Asrial>>To me she looks like a gargoyle version of Luanne from King of the Hill.

D&D>>>I'm alos enjoying it and since it comes on after digimon I'v been comparing both shows. I even call Hank and the others the Dungeon destined.

I nearly forgot how pathetic Eric was, but he does have his heroic moments.

The character I'm most like on the show is Sheila and that may be the same reason why I'm a little like dot hmm both sheila and Dot have little brothers that have a bond with an animal.
****Buffy spoilers****
CHEESY!

ok those were interesting dreams. I'm already getting the ice water ready for SJ after that scne with Willow, and Tara in the icecream truck.

Human Adam is a hottie

Giles an Anya dubbed in French, Joyce in a wall, The return of Snyder, Spike in a suit, Giles as stage director and singing!

****Angel Spoilers*****
Very star Warsy here. I'm growing to like Gunn ans seeing that David guy againb was hilarious
and OMG DARLA! I didn't see that one coming
***End Spoilers*****

oh and DINOBOTS Rule!
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:18:49 PM
IP: user-37kapfd.dialup.mindspring.com

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Anonymous
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:59:02 PM
IP: spider-wd061.proxy.aol.com

{nice and easy to read - i hope}.

S: <<"or 'Future Tense'" *stares* That's a big fat no right there. Goliath isn't rude and disrespectful and doesn't lower himself and punch someone who's been gone for a long time>>

umm...did anyone tell you that _Future Tense_ wasn't real? it was Fae magic, not time travel.

<< and trying to collect their wits. Goliath went through many hardships but he didn't turn out bitter>>

watch _Awakenings_ again: Goliath in there loses his best friend(s) and feels betrayed by those closest to him - and bitter is the least of the emotions he's feeling - anger, hate, spite, and a few others are in charge, boiling, seething.

<< and everything didn't go to h-e- double hockey stick under 'his' leadership.>>

if you recall, _Future Tense_ was something from *Puck's* mind, not Brooklyn in charge.

<< He doesn't go around copying other people's speech and movement habits and do a horrible job at it,>>

um...reference ep what?

<< people who he's supposed to hate.>>

what? who?

<<"The Mirror" Question--> Okay, you know how when Goliath was human, his skin tone was darker than the rest of the clan's? Ho <...> think he would, if he was human, have to go somewhere where the sunlight was a bit more intense to get that color. Well, what do you guys think?>>

there's actually a cif {er, fic} out there, about Goliath's ancestors coming from Egypt.

Rodlox
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:42:02 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

okay, all this talk about riding motorcycles reminded me of a joke I heard today

What's the differance between a Harley and a Hoover? (please don't kill me for this one!!!)

The location of the dirt bag!....delphi exits followed by a bunch of rotton fruit....
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls , Idaho
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:11:46 PM
IP: twin58u.magiclink.com

Winterwolf> excellent! feel free to ask whatever you want or need to :) I've never heard anyone say that they've regretted learning how to drive a motorcyle!

Shadowrider> *chuckles* true, the dirt bikes are spunky things! But to me, it's like the difference between a go-cart and an automobile.
The test to take is a separate written test and then one like an obstacle course.... starting, stopping, making turns, driving a figure 8, and then stopping distance. You have to start driving and then stop by a certain line. Once you receive your motorcycle classification then whenever you switch to another state, it just transfers with your regular license (it's all together, just says on the driver's license that you are also qualified to drive a motorcycle) to the new state. One time test - unless you let it expire. That's at least with the states I've experienced getting a license in... Missouri, Kansas, South Dakota, Louisiana and Texas.

My principal is riding on her past reputation. She was at one time (about 15 yrs ago) considered the top and best principal in the district. She's a great politician and knows how to cover her tracks. It's been in the past 3-4 years that she has taken such a downward spiral. She's always been evil, was just better at covering it up.
Reports are that her husband is not doing well and the cancer is rapidly moving and growing. She picked him up from the hospital and dropped him off at the house and returned to work. *shakes head* She's going to be left alone in this life - bitter and lonely. She deserves nothing else.
She handed out bomb threat procedures today and I'm listed as checking certain rooms for bombs... ummmm yeah, right. No way in hell am I sticking around in the building looking for a bomb... *shakes head* My first and only responsibilty is to get my students out and that's exactly where they'll find me... outside with my students.... and then triple dare her to try and fire me over it. *grins*

*changes chant while rocking slowly back and forth in my chair* 2 more days, 2 more days...
Jannie
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 09:49:20 PM
IP: 209-144-251-244.hou.port.mytelco.com

Things are trying to get better with me, but we'll just have to see. Thank you to all who have hugged me and wished me well. I've just been trying to get more sleep, get out in the sun, and work out. I bought most of Lexy's garg stuff too, and that makes me feel really good :)
SOROW
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 09:48:27 PM
IP: dll2a010-0298.splitrock.net

Sorry about the double post. Part of my browser froze and I managed to post the other post before it completely froze. Now, where was I...

Niamhgold--> Hmm, what was I going to respond to next? Oh. "I guess when I said "Brooklyn is more intelligent" Ijust meant street-smarts..." Oh, okay. "...but now that I look back at what I said, I'm disagreeing with my yesterday self." Oh, Brooklyn 'is' street-smart, but Goliath is worldly-wise. Wow, I liked that, sounded pretty smooth...Anyways, "This is why I like having other people post their opinions..." Wow, thanks! I didn't think 'anybody' liked me posting 'my' opinions. BTW I liked your fanfiction. I started on one, but I have writers'-block. Good thing too, because it's pretty crappy.*smirk*

Warpmind-->"your post gave off what I'd categorize as strongly masculine vibrations." Oh...okay? "And Brooklyn's time-travels with the Phoenix gate DID take him fourty years." Wha? No, sorry it was a fan fiction story, not a TGS Timedancer story, and in that story he wasn't gone that long. "would you rather have...or someone who has the guts to talk back and point out weak spots?" Not with his tone. Brooklyn really pushes it with Goliath. There's more than one way Brooklyn could get his point across without talking to Goliath like he was a common street punk.

"...well, first, consider things from Brooklyn's point:" Well, that's hard for me to do, because I'm not a male with testosterone-overload. "(Though he did get zapped thoroughly for it.) Haha! See what can happen when you think with the 'wrong' head? I wish 'I' can zap guys when they're being jerks. "Then, despite what he might have felt about the way Maggie turned him down, he *still* rushed off to help her in "The Cage"." ...still desperately hoping he would change her mind and choose 'him'.

Mara-->"Not as mature as Goliath in *any* respects." 'Course not. "So its hard to compare the two as equals..." Of course it is. They're far too different from each. "until either "the Cage"?" No, "The Kingdom, I think. Uh, sorry Brooklyn still isn't there. You see, at first, Brooklyn went ahead down to the labyrinth, because he still hoped Maggie would want him. Goliath doesn't do things like that for his own personal gain. "or 'Future Tense'" *stares* That's a big fat no right there. Goliath isn't rude and disrespectful and doesn't lower himself and punch someone who's been gone for a long time and trying to collect their wits. Goliath went through many hardships but he didn't turn out bitter and everything didn't go to h-e- double hockey stick under 'his' leadership. He doesn't go around copying other people's speech and movement habits and do a horrible job at it, people who he's supposed to hate.*shrugs* There you have it.

"The Mirror" Question--> Okay, you know how when Goliath was human, his skin tone was darker than the rest of the clan's? How is that? I loved the color and everything, I thought it made him look even sexier, but he's Scottish. Do Scottish people get that dark? I can see him being a little tanner than the other's but not that dark. He was like a semi-sweet brown color, darker than Elisa. I would think he would, if he was human, have to go somewhere where the sunlight was a bit more intense to get that color. Well, what do you guys think?
S
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 09:46:12 PM
IP: ip190.tacoma17.wa.pub-ip.psi.net

S> The main difference between Daniel�s post and mine is very important, miss. He was being persuasive, while I was being far more blunt, and to make a point. I don�t have to persuade when I do my job. I don�t have to Ask you to behave yourself, I can and I am responsible to Tell you to. If that makes you feel you are being treated like a child, I�m sorry for you. It�ll happen your whole life. I�m sure you�d be feeling even more insecure if a police officer gave you a speeding ticket or something. They are just doing their jobs, and I�m just doing mine. It was an offer of advice, true, but I wanted to make it clear that it brooks no argument.

As for leaving you alone, I�ll be more than happy to so long as you don�t cause any trouble. I gave you the best advice I felt I could to keep you from getting yourself in trouble, and I HAVE noticed and DO appreciate you toning it down.

Now how about we all just chill out and have some fun?
Toku Kaioto - CR Deputy Admin - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 09:32:10 PM
IP: 1cust135.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Hello everyone, I've missed being here RL life has had me dragging my posterior home dog-tired and collapsing into bed. We have been so shorted handed, and now the new kid I've been training has another job and is gone-leaving us in the middle of our hot selling time with new employees to try and train.

I haven't caught up on the CR room yet, or email, but I found this one in my email that caught my fancy....so here's a bit of down to earth advise for you to ponder....

>21. If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
>22. Don't squat with your spurs on. {my personal favorite ; )}
>23. Good judgment comes from bad experiences and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.
>24. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket.
>25. A closed mouth gathers no foot.
>26. Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together. (and certain part of this rattle trap car I'm currently driving!!!)
>27. Telling a man to go to hell and making him do it are two entirely different propositions.
>28. Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
>29. There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works.
>30. Never ask a man the size of his spread. (Or anything else for that matter!)
>31. Never miss a good chance to shut up.
>32. Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving.
>33. Anything worth taking seriously is worth making fun of.

Catch you later....

gosh it's great to get back in here again, I'v really miss you all!
delphi - [cmiller@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 08:32:21 PM
IP: twin5947.magiclink.com

Wilek-->"If a Goliath-type build is a recessive trait..." The reason why I assume that you can't get a robust gargoyle from such a pairing is because I assumed that robustness was a dominant trait, but I could be wrong. You're right about build being more than one trait, but I just narrowed it down because I felt like it. So, if robustness is a dominant trait, Brooklyn wouldn't have it because he is not robust, and I'll assume that Pandora doesn't have it either. They would both be recessive. They'd both be(rr) for 'not robust'. Neither of them could be (Rr) because that is heterozygous dominant for 'robust' and neither of them are robust. Their alleles would be (rr) x (rr), work that out in a Punnett square, and there's no way you can get 'robust', because it would be 100% (rr) for the genotype and 100% 'not robust' for the phenotype.

What I was saying about how you can get scrawny from robust is that the father could either be (Rr) or (RR). You can get 'not robust' in the first generation produced if the father was heterozygous dominant, which would come out to 50%(Rr), 50%(rr) for the genotype and 50% 'robust', 50% 'not robust'. If the father was homozygous dominant, then the second generation from him could produce non-robust children. No one in the first generation spurred would be 'not robust' because they would be 100% heterozygous dominant for 'robust', but when they mate they would have a 25% chance of producing a gargoyle who's 'not robust'.*satisfied nod* There.

Toku Kaito-->*rolls eyes skyward* Give me strength... *exasperated sigh* "...I put on that post and this one. 'CR Deputy Admin" Oh, yes I noticed that. I 'can' read. You know, maybe you should ask Daniel Johnson to take the job, the tone of his 'reminder' post was level and neutral and not the tone of a parent reproaching a naughty little kiddie caught with her hand in the cookie jar before dinner. You 'were' trying to be considerate of me. It sure didn't seem like it.
I would appreciate it if you would just leave me alone. I don't want to be pushed into giving you adequate reason to kick me out. And as you can see, no flame war has started, and I mellowed my posts out a bit, so please leave me alone. Okay? Just ignore my posts or something. And unless I really start a flame war, just don't say anything to me. 'Please'.

Niahmgold-->"Purely enthusiastic! I'm an avid goliath supporter." Oh, really!*big grin* "He's kind of like a big Teddy Bear;" Yup, but more like a 'hard-bodied' Teddy bear. Goliath, hard-bodied Teddy bear and 'Gentleman-Warrior'...*sigh*"Your points on Brooklyn are well met; I love in-depth posts" Thanks! I never thought of anything in my posts as in-depth, just pointless ramble.

S
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 08:22:25 PM
IP: tcmaa010-0137.splitrock.net

Hola!

Gside: Thank you! :) With a fic that long, I'm surprised the thing wasn't overflowing with errors; I think my editor got a little tired when it came to correcting ;) Hmmm...appropriate handling fees--as much as gas was, I suppose. I don't usually take tips like the one I got, but his girlfriend insisted, and he was taking a plane out to go home the next day. I'll owe the couple when they get back, although he's the optical engineer I told you about. Fifty bucks is like a mosquito bite to a guy like that, whereas, to me, a fifty would be like a whomp in the gut :) Thanks for the referral :)

Shadowrider: Working on your fic right now, will finish up some stuff tomorrow. Glad you like the PYF idea! Taekwon-do classes--sounds like fun! I think your students should throw a big party for ya before ya leave! :)

Heather: Woo-hoo, another June Birthday! Mine's the 14th (Flag day), and two days before this new movie Titan A.E. comes out :)

Titan A.E.--I haven't seen much about it, but I'm going to check out the web page. Looks interesting.

Firestorm: Thank you! How !s th!s; any better?!!!! !'m hav!ng a lot of fun w!th th!s!!!!!

Winterwolf: Sure, I'll take some of that tea :) Mint, raspberry, or Green? I'll supply the biscotti :) No rush reading my stuff--it'll probably spare your eyes to wait! :) But thank you for such inspiring enthusiasm!

Wilek: Ah, I am forgiven!

** La, la, la, la, la **

Well, I'm off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of--oops, wrong show. Ah, well...

Th-th-th-that's all folks!

Niamhgold
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 07:23:00 PM
IP: lac-flex63.ncia.net

Oh, well, I'm here again at least.

GLADIATOR COMMENT

I've seen Gladiator last night. Well, the main character is nice as well as the bad guy and many of the others...and the plot by itself is not bad as well. Could be a good movie, a shame that the historical side is almost completely of fantasy. It is settled in ancient Rome, but could be settled everywhere and everytime else. Good scenographies, though, and good fighting scenes (except the battle in the beginning...too confused, that flipping camera could cause the worst emicranics in headache's history... 6,5-7/10 to me.

END COMMENT

Niamhgold:> That PYF sounds like a quite good advice...if followed with moderation...
<<Are you excited that you only have a month? I'd be>> It is strange to me...I can't find the word. On one side, seems to me my leaving will come too soon, and this is mainly because I'll have to leave this CR (with my friends in RL I'll be able to keep contact more easily)...rationally, I know the CR will still be here as I'll return, but I'm worried the same.... On the other side, I'm curious and even eager to see how is military life (BTW, I've known that I've been assigned to a training battalion for anti-aircraft artillery...quite ironical, isn't it?), and so I'd like to leave sooner, also because the sooner I'll begin, the sooner I'll finish. Anyway, I'm discovering that one month may seem long, but is quite short when you have to suspend all your normal life for one year (for example, in February I had started teaching Taekwon-do to a group of children and now I have to find someone to replace me when the course will restart in September). Anyway, I'll try to read your story the same before leaving...I'm VERY curious.

Gside:> Unproper/improper: D'oh! <slaps in his head> I make a post to correct a typing mistake, and I make another typing mistake... Hey, don't worry of being pedant...I for sure don't take offence by seeing my mistakes corrected...rather the opposite, actually.

Valentine:> Thank you for the suggestion, I'll seek for that book. :)

Winterwolf and Jannie:> I agree with Jannie's suggestions, especially about braking: this is another Golden Rule, I forgot to mention it before. About small dirt bikes...<grins> their quick reaction is what I like of those little pieces of scrap! Matter of taste, for sure, but I think a 125 dirt bike is nearly the best for fun...:)
(my absolute best for fun being my dad's CBR on the racing track near my place in a tempered and sunny day of spring...)
Riding is a natural thing to me too, my dad had only to tell me the basics and some suggestions, then let me learn by experience. I, too, have never dropped a bike, not on the road at least, while in racing...well, sometimes...but on the track it is a different thing and even the way of riding changes a lot. About it and about riding girls...I remember a girl who lives in my zone and who was my opponent in the short time I tried my fortune on the track...I was not totally sane as I raced, but compared to her...but there's no time now, maybe I'll tell you something about her another time...
Jannie, don't feel bad for difficulties in placing the bike in centerstand. I'm quite lucky I'm tall enough to handle it with little problems, but my dad is quite short instead (1,70) and with some bikes he has your same difficulties, in spite of he's very strong and is a finest rider...
Oh, may I ask to you (both of you) how does the driving/riding license exam work in the U.S.A.? I mean, what kind of tests are you supposed to pass? I heard it varys according to the State: is that true?
Automatic transmissions: here in Italy, it is considered blasphemy for sure...;) No, I'm joking, but it is true that as Honda and Moto Guzzi launched auto-gear bikes on Italian market, were huge flops.

Jannie:> That principal of yours sounds really out of mind. Not simply a bit out, but seriously out of balance, at least to me. How is it possible that she continues to be a school principal?

Kyrin:> Congratulations for your job, and wishes for your future.

Gotta go now, see you all!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 06:30:07 PM
IP: h213-20-23.mi2.albacom.net

Hi. My air conditioner doesn't work. It's 80 degrees in my apartment. I just felt like sharing.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 06:23:37 PM
IP: ip171.fort-worth6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net

Quick post.

Has anyone caught the Tank MacNamaras for this week? They're pretty good, and I know there're some NHL fans lurking around here, so...

Sold into slavery in the Western Professional Hockey League, Maximus Bouchard is brought up to the NHL.

"The referees are skating off the ice."

"These are the NHL *Finals* gladiator. You never heard the expression 'Let 'em play'?"

Jenna> Good luck.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 06:23:01 PM
IP: ppp-228.tnt-1.sat.smartworld.net

Hello. Today is almost completely but not quite entirely unlike yesterday. That reminds me does anyone want some tea? :)

Gunjack Valentine> <only be incest if he'd actually had his way> Yeah that's true. He was ready to commit IMO. Of course there is the possibility he nailed her off screen. After all everything doesn't happen on screen. I suppose it is just speculation on my part. If we actually saw it happen I think that would be way over the top. *shudders* I wonder if it was something that hit the cutting room floor ASAP.

Joe Boxer> Good to hear your done. Some happiness right back at ya!

Jannie> Thanks. I may have to make a FAQ and devote it to you and Shadowrider. <3 more days> Hey now that chant will be 2 more days. :) <standard transmission > I think I might as well go all the way. I didn't even know you could get automatic. The thought sounds like biker blasphemy! <brake with your foot first> I won't forget that one. I'm not trying to injure myself. I'll keep both you and Shadowrider posted on my progress. :)

Niamhgold> Looking at the fics I found a bunch of stories that you wrote!! I'm going to have to read them all!! Every single one!!! Then I'll have to send you all the praise you deserve!! ^_^

Mecord> <DC> Maybe this will help. I'll get him for you. ;)

******BFTS - RP******

The doorbell rang, as Winterwolf was about to begin with Jason again. "I guess you'll have a little more time to prepare." Winterwolf told Jason as he quickly went to get the door. When he opened it he saw Plastique Saber who looked distressed. Looking past her and not catching anything she said he saw what looked to be a small army closing on the house and rushed outside to stop their advance. Taxing his bracers of winter he quickly created a solid wall of ice to block their path. A stray bullet, shot moments before the wall was erected, tore into Winterwolf's shoulder. "Too much too fast." Winterwolf choked. He looked ill but managed to shout "Everyone to me!"

Plastique took the opportunity to go to the car and pull DPH out. She dragged him over by Winterwolf.

Jason ran out the front door and gasped.

Winterwolf strains himself summoning a horde of ice golems to fight. They pop into existence around the Speed Stars. He then creates a portal that they all use to escape.

The Speed Stars try using their weapons on the golems but they have no effect. As they were only managing to injure each other Fred Hitman cries, "Fall back." Most of them run for their lives.

DC goes to where he saw the portal to try to determine where they all went. He realizes that this is all an extremely potent illusion. At that moment a razor sharp blade of ice separates DC's head from his shoulders, temporarily slaying him.

Winterwolf collapses into the floor. At that moment the ice golems vanish and Jason, Plastique and DPH become visible. Winterwolf was unconscious. Blood was pooling on the ground from his injury and some was even trickling out of his mouth.

******END BFTS - RP******

Kyryn> Congratulations on getting a permanent job. The company that hired you is lucky to have you! ^_^

I'll check in again later.

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 04:59:23 PM
IP: 206.15.122.13

****Kyryn strolls in****

Good news! I've got a permanent job. *grin* I'm now a copy editor. LOL.

Heather> Good to see you posting again. I was wondering where you had gone.

Congrats to all who've completed finals!

Later All!

***Kyryn opens up a hole in floor and steps through it. The hole closes after her***

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 03:58:15 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Rodlox> <<_Outbreeding_ refers to breeding... outside of their own species or genus.>>: Oops, my bad.

Daniel Johnson> <<Definite mood swing happening there>>: Blame the Jersey water, and happy birthday.

Winterwolf> <<my dad stopped by and the sandwich mysteriously (not really) disappeared>>: Congratulations to your father for being faster than you and getting that yummy corned beef.

Gunjack> <<a weapon isn't yours until you've invested three times its value in modifications...>>: Modifications, true. But I was thinking about standard military issue-type weapons. By the way, do you like to keep it in the refridgerator? Keeps the powder dry and the action quicker. (ref: Moxy Fru:vous, Michigan Militia)
<<there were many nerdboys in the CR who might be offended>>: I paroudly hang on to my label as a nerd, and yet would not have been offended.
<<thanks again for the music>>: I do my best.
<<he bursts forth in joyous song>>: Which one? Roland? Grenada? The Daring Young Man on the Flying Trapeeze *C440* *sound like a dying seal* *cow bell*?

Patrick Toman> <<asked to move from disorder to order through pure random chance>>: Good point.

Fire Storm> <<Did the Schr�dinger's Cat experiment actually happen, or was it totally theoretical>>: As far as I know, it can't really be done. The point is to think about what happens before you look, and also allowing quantum mechanics to be applied to a large system. Though I do like the expression on the cat in that picture.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 03:49:06 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Just a quick post before I start studying for my Physical Science exam again. Oii.

Kill your grandfather paradox > What ? Who the heck started that ?

Cassandra > X-Men is coming out July 14th and Titan A.E. is coming out June 16th. Aww... two days before my mom's birthday. Coolies.

*looks at her calender and checks for June* Hey, 12 more days until my 16th birthday. Sweet sixteen... *sighs happily* I'll just make sure to lock my door... my dad has a funny way to wake me up on my birthday.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 03:48:27 PM
IP: 98ab362d.ipt.aol.com

Cassandra- June 16th is the date for Titan AE. I don't know about the Xmen though. Did you get my em I sent you?
jenna
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 03:41:29 PM
IP: 1cust137.tnt1.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

*Cassandra returns to the CR and takes the sign off her chair. She throws the sign into a drawer as she sits down.*

Gunjack Valentine> *Shakes her head.* I knew I was opening a big can of worms but I went ahead and did it anyway. I wasn't upset that Christianity was included on Hercules/Xena, but that it was made better than any other religion. True the majority Greek gods really don't care about mortals, but does that make their worshippers' beliefs less valid? There was a statement made by Satan when she showed up on Hercules that "I get the people too evil for Tartrus." And did Xena and Gabrielle and the other dead characters they saw in the Heaven episode go to a Christian Heaven when they died because they were too good for the Elysian Fields? That doesn't make sense. But I think it is due to the writers and producers not coming up with a solid believable universe before hand. Unlike Greg. <G>

Personally, I believe in one objective Morality, which is why you get the same ideas expressed in different religions like "Harm None," from Wicca and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," from Christianity. Following either creed no matter how it is stated, and the majority of the human race will say you were a good person. My problem with Christianity is that it preaches that its way is the "only" way and everyone who doesn't follow is condemned. But then I also don't believe in an evil being like Satan that is out to get us, and I do think that a lot of the evil present in the world is created by mankind.

Does anyone know when "X-Men" and "Titan A.E." start playing?

*Turns on the computer.*

I'm getting this finished today. Solemn vow.
Cassandra - [kindra_coates@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 02:47:32 PM
IP: 204.196.27.23

Mr Birdsong: a meteor in 2024? did i miss an episod3e?

Rodlox
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 02:19:21 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

*Irrelevent post to most any issue posted* Reasons I know the Great Catastrophe is comeing: 1) Spree [If it is like getting a kick in the mouth then that I would have to say is a bad thing. gums bleed, broken teeth. Sheesh people might as well have a lemon flavored gold brick smash their brain by drinking a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster if they gonna be that way] 2) Most movies I seen in Hollywood video's new releases had to do with Jesu and/or the end of the world. And half those that didn't had to do with that 3 lettor word for procreation if you know what I mean. 3) I am a huge highlander fan so indeed I believe that sortly after 2024 the meteor will hit Earth and destroy all technology.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, San Diego
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 01:52:26 PM
IP: dt023n22.san.rr.com

Mara> <<You can gather up all the players you want, Wilek, and I will prove that I AM the game because I am THAT DAMN GOOD.>> That was Warpmind (I think). ;P

::blinks... and then, still in gravelly wrestler voice:: Warpmind, Wilek.. Wilma Flinstone.. just... bring it.

::pauses and then begins to giggle hysterically:: Man I need sleep.
Mara Shinigami Cordova
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 01:15:49 PM
IP: spider-we043.proxy.aol.com

Sorry, DC isn't going to let me post anything longer than a sentance today. :(
Mecord the depressed
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:27:54 PM
IP: usr16.mtwest.net

Rodlox: 
Well, don't forget that Pandora has part of Brooklyn in her, maybe even 50% of Pandora is Brooklyn.
So, mathamatically, A pandora/brooklyn child would contain 75% Brooklyn.
<now can you insert the translation>
Trust me. If I could, I would. Now, where's my 52 language dictionary...

Niamhgold: <How many excl!amation po!ints I can use !in a !post !!!!>
The r!ght way to ask that quest!on is 'How many !!!exclamat!on po!nts can ! use !n a post!!!"

Coyote: <since you did the driving last time, only fair I should do it this time.>
Sounds good to me.
As for when... I don't know. I would say a week before the gathering (only because those are the film cards I sue regulary), but by then theres a strong chance I would have already seen the movie.

Wilek: <Genetics>
Ok... theres Recessive, Dominant, and is the third one shared?

Alan "Ordell": <Way past due if you ask me>
I couldn't agree more

Gside: <Cat Link>
Did the Schr�dinger's Cat experiment actually happen, or was it totally theoretical?

Gunjack: <Suck! what do you do after major injuries?>
Suffer. After the burns, the only thing that helped was ice. Now, when I get my wisdom teeth ripped out, I won't accept anything less than Tylenol-4 (Damn Darvoset)
<As to caffiene, I think it actually makes me lethargic...>
Anything less than 2 2-liters a day has little effect. A double mocha-chino in 20 minutes makes me more wired than my sound system.
<Mybe I'll have it engraved on the magazine well of my first Rifle...>
In itty-bitty teeny-tiny text for it to fit!
<never play basketball in dress shoes...>
If I ever did that I would break my ankles.

DPH: <Where can you buy the computer I'm looking at for $1500>
128MB ram: $90
Motherboard (Built in sound, video, modem, 133mhz bus): $90
Case: $30
Hard Drive (30-36 gig): $200
Processor (733): $400
Other: $100
19" sony monitor: $600
(NOTE: A Compaq with those would cost $2000+)
If the intel 1gz is 133mhz bus, then yes, it can support it.
This is what you would get if you bought it in a store. Now, if you want a slighty better computer, add $400 (Killer video card +SB Live! Pro)
I got access to this stuff if you want.
<Intel released new 700 megahertz chips yesterday.>
Huh? They are already on the 733+. Xeon?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:13:56 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com

DC and I are having a battle at the moment. He brought friends.
Mec, getting more angry
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:29:39 AM
IP: usr50.mtwest.net

**COMPUTER RELATED**
By the time, I buy all the components, I might as well I buy a new PC. Where can you buy the computer I'm looking at for $1500 (and be will to upgrade the computer to 1 gigahertz chip down the road and add more RAM)?

BTW, Intel released new 700 megahertz chips yesterday.
**END COMPUTER RELATED**

**WEBSITE RELATED**
This is sorta funny but 100 percent true. Once upon a time (I had just to start that way), I registered my website with yahoo. I made the mistake of listing my email address with my Internet Serice Provider on the front door. So I started getting lots of SPAM. Since then, I've took that email address off my web page, but I still kept getting spam to that email address. So I changed my email address with my Internet Sservice Provider (which of course changed the location of my personal homepage.) Now, I got ready to tell Yahoo the new location of my homepage. So I did a general search to see if my website was still listed (and it was). So then I search all the sub categories one at a time to find my webpage. But I couldn't find it in the subcategories. So until I find which subcategory my website is in, I can't update my listing. But, how in heck can my website be listed in the general search and come up empty in the subcategories? In case anyone's wondering why I can't remember where I put my website, it's because (originally) I had trouble figuring out where it belonged.

When I updated the location of my homepage with Excite, I lost my rank in the search.

Trivia: my PERSONAL website is 50+ pages big. I know this because I have a floating navigational aide that has a link to everywhere in my website.
**END WEBSITE RELATED**

**XENA/HERCULES RELATED**
I said good not excellent, outstanding, or any of their synomiums. When you consider some alternatives, you can classify it as good. But good (in my book) means it still needs improvement. It takes a lot to impress me.
**END XENA/HERCULES RELATED**

Winterwolf, let's use the acromyn 'BTFS RP' to stand for Battle for Technology Saga. Don't worry about shedding hair in my house.

**BTFS RP**
DPH's car was 75% covered with 1/2 " titanium armor.

"Plastique Saber, I want you to drive the car when I bring down the forcefield. I am about to collapse due to exhaustion," DPH said.

"Why don't you deal with our problem by summoning lightning?" replied Plastique Saber.

"That would be tipping my suprise to NCA. With as much energy as he has, he could strip control from me in a heartbeat. By the time you finish giving the car 1/2 " titanium armor, I will collapse from exhaustion. The car can handle the weight. I bought a prototype NASCAR engine and transmission and had it installed in this car. Then I placed a magical spell on the engine guaranteeing stability and power REGARDLESS of the weight of the car. I brought the car up to a speed of 350 mph. I didn't press to go faster because I needed to add a spell to help the driver handle those speeds," said DPH.

"Oh I understand now," replied Plastique Saber.

"I don't understand why we have no response to my illusions unless someone or something is blocking them," said DPH.

"Hmm. Bad for DPH that I'm blocking his illusion spells. I'll let this biker gang finish off DPH and save NCA some trouble." thought DC while watching the situation from a distance.

"Hitman, why aren't our weapons doing any good yet?" asked Janet Williams.

"We're exhausting the mutant. Can't you see it in his eyes. He is starting to look tired. Good thing, we're saving the missilie launchers and machine gunes for when that forcefield collapses." said Fred Hitman.

DPH's car is 99% covered with 1/2 titanium armor.

"Just a few more moments. Hang on just a few more moments." said Plastique Saber.

"I'm trying. You need to take us to my home." said DPH wearily.

DPH collapses just as Plastique Saber finishes giving the car 1/2" titanium armor. She moves him out of the driver's seat and buckles him up in the passenger side. Meanwhile, the Speed Racers have pulled out the missile launchers and machine guns and started firing. She left the park and headed to DPH's house in a hurry. When she arrived at DPH's house, the car looked bad on the exterior from all firepower it took. She rang the doorbell.
**END BTFS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:29:37 AM
IP: max1-62.cwy.cei.net

Test post. >:(
Mec, the angry elf
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:20:28 AM
IP: usr57.mtwest.net

Gunjack> <That reminds me of a story someone mentioned in here a while back... They said that their anisthetic wore off partway through major surgery... 8O>
I don't know if I had mention this, but I did that (too). The surgeons were discussing golf clubs, I coughed & gagged when they hit my stomach and that's how they knew I was awake. It was in the middle of having a complete hysterectomy. I had a heart attack during recovery - which was not detected at the time & we didn't know until a couple of days later when some of the symptoms of the heart attack reappeared. They went back and reviewed the EKG records and discovered the original heart attack.

Jenna> glad to see you again! Best wishes on your job becoming permanent! :) *hugs*

Winterwolf> I learned to drive a motorcycle with my Yahama Virgo 500. That's a good size motorcycle for a female. It's powerful enough to do highway touring, but yet small enough to be handled with somewhat ease. A female friend of mine who was physically strong and worked on the pipeline bought a Honda 750. She dropped it once and could not pick it back up. That's a consideration - if you drop it, you have to pick it back up. The 750 was a bit more power than she could handle too. Sorry gals, but there IS a difference in physical strength between us and the guys. You also have to be able to put it up on centerstand and take it back off. That's where I had the most problem. I could get it off of centerstand but could not get it on. It wasn't the strength, but my height. I'm too short to lean over it and get a good strong grip on it to get it up on the stand. The only thing that I disagree with Shadowrider is the smaller bikes of around 125cc. There's a vast difference between the small dirt bikes and a touring bike. I couldn't control a dirt bike - too unstable, quick reaction, jerky, etc. but my 500 was smoother and more stable. I do agree with him on everything else! :) especially the practice, practice, practice. I rode up and down my street practicing shifting, stopping, starting, turning, etc. If you feel safer, find a flat field to practice in. At least if you drop the bike, you won't loose a pound of flesh on the pavement. Personally, I've never dropped a bike.
*shrugs and slightly blushes* I've been called a "natural" when it comes to a motorcycle. It felt natural to me and picked up quickly on the groove of the bike.
Shifting is by touch and the sound of the bike's engine. I was taught that to assist you in slowing down, use your gears. Btw, if you are apprehensive about using a standard transmission type motorcycle, they do make them in automatics. They are not as fast starting, but that's ok too - as long as you're not racing it ;)
If you ever get to the point of learning to drive a motorcycle - along with the safety tips that Shadowrider and I have said always remember this: brake with your foot first and then the handlebar brakes. If you panic and use your handbrake first, you could very easily flip your bike. The hand brake is for the front brakes and foot brake is for the back brakes. Simple science will tell you that if you stop the front first, the back could flip up over you.

I wish you good fortune if you choose to learn to drive a motorcycle. It's such an awesome experience and fun to do!

Getting a motorcycle license: I had the trike first and it required to have a motorcycle license... however, when I went to take my test, they said I couldn't use the trike. I spent at least an hour arguing with them over that. Since they required a motorcycle license to legally drive the trike, then they had to accept it for taking the test. After talking to every supervisor in the building and a couple of phone calls to Topeka (I was living in Kansas at the time) I was allowed to take the test on the trike. Well, d'uh!

Last week of school!! Not a moment too soon either. The principal is as wild as ever and I stay out of her sight. She took her husband - who has lung cancer - down to MD Anderson Cancer Hospital the other morning and came back telling how she ran over 3 curbs while driving there... *blinks* Which part of "you're crazy as a loon" doesn't she understand??
*chants to self* 3 more days, 3 more days, 3 more days....

Jannie
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 08:14:03 AM
IP: 64-240-37-51.hou.port.mytelco.com

Jessie Feff- I'm well aware Nathan Lane wasn't in the movie, I check credits for voice actors all the time, its one of my hobbies. It was just personal comparison, the character acted and sounded a *lot* like Timone, and the role was basically the same as what Nathan Lane created in Timone, that the monkey might as well have been Nathan Lane, there was enough similarity between the two characters (the only real difference being Timone wasn't hunting for love). Suppose I didn't quite phrase it right the first time.

Boy, am I up late or what? Yeah, I'm up late, not early. Oii.
Robby
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 07:14:04 AM
IP: spider-we012.proxy.aol.com

Gside > Actually, it's the requirement of multiple "fortunate coincidences" in apparent contradiction of probability that, coupled with the limitations imposed by Einstein's faster-than-light theory, tends to imply the conclusion that just the act of time travel itself is, if not impossible, terribly improbable. One of the fundamental laws of the universe is entropy, or the tendency to move from order to disorder with the passage of time... and closed-loop time travel - while nice and tidy for sci-fi writers (provided one follows one's own rules and does not paint oneself into a "kill your grandfather" paradox loop) - many times gives rise to events where entropy is violated, and things (such as DNA in this case) are asked to move from disorder to order through pure random chance, without any outside forces to direct them.
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 07:04:57 AM
IP: ac93826d.ipt.aol.com

Wilek : Thanks for the support. Just lately I've been in a depressed mood, you know having so many things going on in your life that you seem you can't get out of ? Like that.

Finals : Well, I get to skip at least one final, Drama. *rolls eyes* But I get to sleep in three more hours before heading off to my... *checks schedule* Algebra final. Oh, goody. Well, I'll still pass if I don't do good on that, got like a 92 in there.

Robby : Hey, when is this room going to get the new images for people to post with. Because I got dibs on the cheetah pic. *looks at everyone else* You don't know already, I'm just crazy about cheetahs, favorite animal, was SO happy to see cheetahs mentioned in the TGS. Even though they were villians, oh well.

Kaioto : *hugs* It's good to see you too, just IM me once and a while or I'll sic' Lexy on ya. Wait, that would be a good thing for you. :)

Anyway, I'll be off. *walks out the room, ringing out the tissue that she used last night*
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 06:55:40 AM
IP: ac9d1817.ipt.aol.com

Robby > <<The [character that came closest to being annoying was Timone... Er, Nathan Lane's character, but his screen time was minimal and he was likable.>> Dude, Nathan Lane isn't in DINOSAUR...if you mean the mangy looking lemur, he was voiced by Max Casella (best known as "Vinnie" from "Doogie Howser, MD") I saw the movie last night, will post a review tomorrow when I have some time :) (Actually, I think Max played Timone in the Broadway version of the Lion King...maybe that's where the confusion came in?)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 05:01:04 AM
IP: ctrts1-4.mrs.umn.edu

<-- is it just me, or does it look like she's a human with wings?

Muse: "and her parent got a little too friendly with teh antelopes."

<drags muse off for a meal - of muse>.

Winterwolf: <<You don't need to apologize Rodlox. You were just expressing your opinion and I just wanted to express mine. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was yelling at you or was angry. *Winterwolf playfully slugs Rodlox on the shoulder.* Tag you're it! ^_^ >>

my [other] muses are gasping now. people don�t slug a grendel and walk away - they try to run, yes.

but i understand, and we�re even now.

<<Yo. I don't think we've been properly introduced. *pulls a large case of weapons from inside his desk*
Need a gun? :) >>

i turn to a Nameless Extra {they got tired of being called RedShirts}, and i let my pupils go vertical....the Extra freezes in sheer terror, his legs giving way beneath him, and a puddle forming under his lap.

my pupils return to normal, and i look at GunJack. �do i really need one?�

but thanks for the offer.

<<Gabriel is now a woman? And to think I was under the opinion that angels were asexual..>>

Gabrielle...the �annoying blonde� as some gods call her.

but, if you REALLY want to hear some theories and �facts� about angels, just ask - ask a BRIMSTONE fan, that is.

{that would be me and Doug}.

Rodlox
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 02:25:03 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hey everybody. I'm finally done with school! Hopefully I'll have some more time to get in here a write to yalls from now on. Lots of happiness to everyone.

SOROW: I wish I could make this world a better place for you, but all I can say is that everything is going to be alright, and I will always be there.
Joe Boxer - [jboxer82@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 02:14:06 AM
IP: spider-tj081.proxy.aol.com

*Valentine saunters in, leaning on a cane and sipping a mug of coffee*

Well, I'm caught up on TD again, and I must say I'm impressed with the quality of this year's series... Coyote, "I am Become Death" was excellent! It seemed a bit short, but that might be because I was enjoying it so much... :)
As to the "Payne should have known about the bombs" debate that went on when the story came out, it seems to me that Payne is just enough of a self-absorbed ass to forget... He obviously cared little about the bombings, or even the war in general, and his knowledge outside of his own home time is obviously lacking...
I really enjoyed the rest of the recent stories, and kudos to the TD staff for really dishing out the good stuff. As to "Nor Iron Bars a Cage"...

***********TD SPOILER WARNING! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!***********

I really enjoying the added detail given to the characters introduced in earlier seasons... One of my complaints with TD has been the occasional "filler" stories (please, no offense meant to the authors), where the ep had little impact on the overall story or characters.
The added development of Pandora and Payne was excellent, as well as the tieing-up of loose ends from other stories. I especially enjoyed the tension created by Pandora's realization that her duty would doom Brooklynn, and Loki's dealing with Payne to gain eventual freedom.

Pandora Debate - It might be wishful thinking or blind idealism, but if I hadn't heard the suggestion of a Brooklynn/Pandora affair before reading the story, I doubt the possibility would have occured to me.
Just the episode before, Brooklynn had been agonizing over Sata, and She was obviously still on his mind. Also, Pandora apparently already knew that Brooklynn had a mate, and it seems out of character for her to ignore that.
Plus, Prometheus told them to get some rest, and that's not exactly the relaxing of activities... Relaxing maybe but not restfull... ;)

*********************END TD SPOILERS************************

Warpmind - By the way, when we were discussing sharpened sais, I meant pointy, not edged.
<<... Besides, there are so many other fun techniques with well-made sai... it's a great wepon mainly made for clobbering enemies to unconciousness and death, or maybe sever a joint, like the knee... (there's a truly *beautiful* way to do that.)>> I can imagine... *turns a delicate shade of green* Ick. It's nicer to just stab 'em and get it over with... <<As for the electrified sword vs. the vibroblade, well, I *was* generally thinking of something that could settle a duel by shocking the opponent into dropping his weapon. After all, wouldn't you drop your sword if you recieved an electric shock in your hand each time the swords met? ;)>> Hadn't thought of that... But lots of swords used leather-covered wood as the grip material, so the shock would have to be transfered through the gaurd or pommel... Also, imagine the discomfort of having 1,500 rpm vibration transferred to your hand when the swords contact... <<Gside: Relax, buddy, I've heard the song, I like it, and I printed out the lyrics. :)>> Great little tune, eh? No *THAT'S* the kind of guy you need for your volunteer army... <<As for the two weapon combat thing... you know how those mid-European sickles were made, right? :) >> Uh, what mid-European sickles might you be refering to?

David G.><<Sounds like you've been having...interesting times.>> Heh. Makes you wonder if I was cursed by a Chinaman... :) <<(That's one of the reasons that I don't support gun control. People are so bloody minded that they'll figure out some way to kill no matter what we do.)>> Amen. Nail grenades, anyone? <<Of course, personally, _I_ would prefer to take out an armored warrior with a sword by using a long bow. There's a lot less ambiguity about your relationship that way.>> He speaks truth! Though I'd prefer a crossbow myself if limited to medevil weapons... Slower reload, but more power and range. <<creature of utter darkness with big nasty tentacles story>> Oy... Sounds like you were fortunate to get away with only one... *singificant* fatality...:) I've got a nice giant octopod coming up for in one of my own campaigns...

Archwolf><<If some one came at me with a katana, I would do what the Mongols (I think) did: use a pole hammer to shatter the blade from 4 feet away.>> How do you use a pole hammer to shatter a sword? It seems to me you'd have to crush the sword against the ground, and that'd be a tough job against a highly manuvuerable weapon... <<The Katana is a nice weapon, but fragile. Give me a transitional rapier and notched weapons breaker any day.>> I'll get to this in the Katana Defence... <<seem to remember reading that the movie would only deal with Goliath, not the trio, Angela, or Hudson, and would take place after the final ep of TGC. I also think that if this were the case, the movie would be doomed to suck from the get-go.>> *winces* Ouch. Well, I always wondered how they intended to without just retelling "Awakening"... ;P

Mecord><<I�ve had some of those. One of the most disturbing ended with me grabbing a fallen tomahawk (the ax not the missile) and slitting a stormtrooper�s throat. It was so real I woke thinking I had blood on my hands. But, what can I say, he was about to shoot my best friends and all my blaster shots were deflected by his armor.>>
******************UGLY DREAM SEQUENCE***********************
My dream involved Sherlock Holmes finally getting even with Professor Moriarty... Moriarty was staying in a boarding room, and I (as Watson), was pretending to be his bunkmate.
Apparently, Holmes had put some kind of nasty contact poisen in his bed as a last ditch effort to stop him. As soon as he pulled the covers over his head, he jerked them off and started screaming... The poisen turned his skin slate grey, his eyes sunk back in his head, and he started writhing and crawling around the room. I woke up as he was crawling on top of me, trying to strangle me before the poisen did him in; the whole time screaming like a banshee. The last part was due to my dog pawing at me, and I scared her half to death by grabbing her by the legs on reflex. :P
*********************END UGLY DREAM SEQUENCE****************

Cassandra><<A little lower on the cool scale was Qwi-Gon using his as a can opener in the beginning of "Phantom Menace".>> Elegently put. :) In my opinion, the main value of that movie was to show what lightsabers were *REALLY* capable of...
<<Hercules/Xena could have avoided becoming more Christian propraganda.>> *More* Christian propaganda? I wonder what it means for my religion when its controversiality is based on its inclusion in a hormone-inspired fantasy series... <> I'll try my best to be sturdy... :) As for morality...
Not to promote any single ideology, but if morality exists at all, doesn't it follow that it can only consist of one set of rules? How can there be Morality (or Truth, for that matter), and yet be open to individual interpretation?
Oh, and a belated welcome to the CR... Remember, Sanity is useless. :)
<> Friggan' A!

Firestorm><<This is my rifle,
This is my gun,
This is for shooting,
This is for fun? :)>>
Spoken like a true Gunner... :) <<Kinda like my immunity to nearly any pain medication my doctor perscribes.
And the immunity to (average amounts) of caffene, but my total addiction to the stuff.>> Suck! what do you do after major injuries? As to caffiene, I think it actually makes me lethargic... <<When did Torg say that?>> I believe it was near the beginning of "Love Potion part 1"... <<Now, is that the one from the Tick or from Monty Python?>> A little of both, but more from the Tick... "*FAR* to comfertable to sit in!" <<Why do I have a feeling you typed that completely from memory?>> Sadly, no. Though memorization does sound like a good idea... ;) Mybe I'll have it engraved on the magazine well of my first Rifle... <<So... if Pandora gets pregnant, do all the windows in the area shatter? ;)>> ROFL!

Gside><<Sounds about right, expecially since (in my uneducated opinion), saxes are much more personalized (or unique (not sure which is better).>> Than rifles? Maybe to begin with, but a weapon isn't yours until you've invested three times its value in modifications... :) <<Congratulations. If I may ask, which one?>> Harding University, nestled in the heart of lovely Arkansas... :P I just hope my Texan-hood doesn't wear off during 4+ years in the Inbreeding State (apologies to all arkansians, other than those who've earned the title)... <> I thought so too, but I warned Bun-Bun in advance that there were many nerdboys in the CR who might be offended. He didn't care, but I managed to bribe him into being polite for the time being... :) <<Well, those two I discovered through my father, decided I wanted them on mp3, then went out to look for them. Right now, I am building up a little collection of Spike Jones.>> Is that a threat? ;) By the way, I played both songs for my parents; my mother is now a fan of Roland. *shrugs* thanks again for the music! <<My best guess is that it had something to do with student protests.>> Now *that* I'd like to see... Only question is, which side would he be on? And another thing... who hired him in the first place? <<Does that mean that they can be used as tuning forks for orchestras?>> 440C: a decent stainless steel used in knifemaking; a considerable cut above 420J, but still not the best... <<For which Gorebash placed his cat in the apparatus depicted at http://www.npl.washington.edu/npl/int_rep/tiqm/TI_fig_09.html >> The thing that really scares me is that I've heard, read, and somewhat understand the story behind that diagram... *shudders* Note to self: several hours of remedial Weapon indoc. needed immediatly...

Wilek><<Um...do I wanna know what happened to your foot?>> Short Awnser: never play basketball in dress shoes... Basicly the balls of both my feet were covered by huge blisters. I peeled on off, and the other's probably gonna join it soon... <<Oi...this is the case for a lurker friend of mine; I really have to talk him into posting the horror story that happened to him as a result...>> That reminds me of a story someone mentioned in here a while back... They said that their anisthetic wore off partway through major surgery... 8O

Toku><<The mono-theism addressed in the show has been almost exclusively Hebrew and Jewish, as evinced by Gabriel running with the Star of David/Seal of Solomon tattooed to her chest.>> Gabriel is now a woman? And to think I was under the opinion that angels were asexual.. <<Also, Eli himself seems a Christ-figure only really in the sense that Christ walked the same role as dozens of others before him in the Old Testament as a Prophet.>> Reserection always helps to establish one's individuality... Come to think of it, so does Diety... :)

DPH><<Frankly, I don't think the writers of Hercules/Xena thought the theology issue all the way through; they just used bits and pieces here to make a good story.>> Having only seen bits of maybe three episodes, I'll take your word that "good" isn't a relative term...

Daniel Johnson><<Hey! Look at me! I found Niamhgold's exclamation point stash!!!!>> And now you can find her medication stash... :) Just don't OD, 'kay? <<map reviews>> Sounds like fun! Thanks for the adress... *looks hard at him* Have you taken the meds yet? I'm waaaaaiting...

Rodlox - Yo. I don't think we've been properly introduced. *pulls a large case of weapons from inside his desk*
Need a gun? :)
<<you see, i don't really know who you're talking about. although i think i read somewhere {in a fic or TGS, i'm not sure} about "the one who used to blow things up>> That'd be *real* early TGS... I think it was one of the first few eps.

Winterwolf><<The incest went a bit beyond implied. "You will bear me a son my sister." That was a pretty strong indication.>> Wouldn't it only be incest if he'd actually had his way? as near as I could tell, he may have been chasing but he never caught... <<I wasn't saying you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself or your property. I just feel it is wrong to offer a reward for killing. Like Mecord pointed out it gives a reason for anyone to shoot a wolf because he/she happened to see it and wants to collect. Regardless of whether or not it was endangering anything.>> Ah! Good point. I agree with you there, it's just that I'm used to the "wolves are harmless animals" deal... <<Like you'd have anything to worry about. I'm really a nice and friendly wolf. Anyway I'm sure with a name like Gunjack you can protect yourself easily.>> The nice and friendly part is good to hear...;) as to self-defense, it's usually considered bad form to use lethal weapons in a friendly debate, and I don't know how well tranqs would work on a paranormal... :) <<I'm going to point out that for convenience I went along with describing Winterwolf as a werewolf but that isn't accurate. I plan on covering this in detail at some point later but I just felt like pointing it out now.>> Dire Wolf? Warg, maybe?

Shadowrider><<Tom Clancy, huh? I've read some of his books ("The Hunt for Red October", "The cardinal of the Kremlin" and "Red storm rising").>> If you can, try to find "Without Remorse". The focus isn't quite as military, but the story is, in my opinion, his best. <<Good stuff, indeed, especially if you, like me, are interested in military.>> I've been interested in everything military since before I could walk... :)

Kryryn><<Not sure about the Byzantine blades, but I think that they looked more like a large version of today's kukri knives.>> I think you're refering to the Falcata... acording to what I'm reading, it was a Greek weapon origionally, and spread into southern Russia and Spain where the locals used it against the romans... I think it misses Byzantium by a good bit.

Heather><<The Pandora/Brooklyn thing... I don't know. But if I was asked about "Did you think they mated ?" I would have to say "Yes." Brooklyn felt an overwhelming guilt throughout the episode.>> And yet, the guilt he was fealing throughout the ep was *before* the part where he supposedly did the dead... And after the hour in question, he showed no other signs of guilt... *shrugs*
And in case I didn't mention it last time, welcome back!

Robby - Thanks for the "Dinosaur" review. It sounds like a pretty good movie... And I had to tell you that before I explode into a fountian of hapiness and frivolity, and the joy bubbles up from inside me like a mountian spring and forces me to song. *straightens tie* <<Oh yeah, Princess Mononoke finally comes to video sometime in June apparently. YES!>> *Valentine examines the preceding sentence, and manages to hold himself in check for two seconds before exploding into a fountian of hapiness and frivolity. The joy bubbles up from inside him like a mountian spring, and the CR occupants run for cover as he bursts forth in joyous song*
Sorry about that, but I missed this movie in theaters, and I've been waiting ever since for it to appear on the video shelves... I was begginning to think it had been shelved in some Disney warehouse... :D

Jenna><<but on the upside, keep your talons crossed for me- I applied for a ft job where I am temping now, and so far it looks very good now- Knock on wood.>> You mean no more dealing w/ psychotics on a submissive basis! Major Congratulations! Here's to hoping the job comes through! <<Oh, Brook. You stud muffin.>> Literally... :P

*Valentine checks his wathc and yawns*
Well, I was hoping to do the Katana post today, but I think I've strained everyone's patience enough for one night... Maybe tomorrow.
For now, everyone remember to keep safe... And don't forget to take the safety off before you shoot. :)
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
New Booyaka
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 01:55:03 AM
IP: nas-49-96.dallas.navipath.net

Hi friends. I'm back. Reading through the CR before I go to bed I feel I need to post a few things. ^_^

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky> Thanks Greg. I knew it would be quicker for me just to ask. ;D

Rodlox> You don't need to apologize Rodlox. You were just expressing your opinion and I just wanted to express mine. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was yelling at you or was angry. *Winterwolf playfully slugs Rodlox on the shoulder.* Tag you're it! ^_^

Wilek> <Um...is this a trainer or a patch or the like...?> Yeppers. I'll put it on a floppy for you and send it with the CD. It is a trainer. Right up your alley too. It is the Boba Fett trainer. Anyway if you want it its yours. Otherwise it will sit on my shelf collecting dust. :) Okay. Which kind of beak would you prefer? A beak like Griff's or like Brooklyn's? ;)

Fire Storm> New acquisition - Director 8 happy happy joy joy! ^_^

Skippy The Klingon> <cross between Star Trek Encyclopedia and the Onion> Now that's comedy! :D

Gside> <corned beef> I had a half a sandwich left over which I would have had today (technically correct since it is after midnight) but my dad stopped by and the sandwich mysteriously (not really) disappeared. :(

Daniel Johnson> Happy Birthday! I hope you enjoy the little surprise I got for you. It isn't edible but I hope you enjoy it anyway.

******BEGIN RP - TECHNOLOGY SAGA******

Jason and Winterwolf finished eating and cleaning up. Winterwolf puts the leftover food in a container for DPH and Plastique Saber in case they return. "I want you to try and work with the ring now. I bet you can stop that light bulb from glowing now."

"Yeah I bet I can do it now!" Jason agreed. He took the ring and placed it on his middle finger. He pictured the light bulb getting dimmer and dimmer.

Winterwolf watched as the light bulb went completely dark.

After several seconds Jason gasps for breath and the light shines brightly again. He feels drained from the experience.

"Well you've definitely improved but you don't need to put every ounce of yourself into it. You need to be able to keep this dark for an indefinite amount of time. You need to gauge yourself. What's that phrase? Oh yeah, you need to get more bang for your buck. I think it is time that you attack as well as defend."

"I feel drained. Give me some time to rest up?" Jason pleaded.

"Okay. You have five minutes..." Winterwolf answered. Looking at Jason he added "By the way I won't be pulling my punches this time."

Jason's eyes went wide.

******END RP - TECHNOLOGY SAGA******

Robby> <DINOSAUR> Thanks for the review Robby. The commercial was keeping me away, as was the theatrical trailer that put me to sleep. (The trailer was practically silent) I'll give it a chance and see what happens.

Good night! I don't want to join Hyperion with a face full of keyboard so I'm off to bed. ;)

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 01:25:24 AM
IP: 1cust37.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net

Well, since no one else seems to have seen this movie yet...

**REVIEW FOR DINOSAUR**

I went into this movie wanting to hate it and thus spite Disney. I really did. However, I could not keep that attitude for very long.

If you do not see this film, you are depriving yourself. Disney apparently thought it was a prudent idea to take evcery sickeningly cute segment and bad bits of dialouge and put them together into a commercial. Hence, the gawdawful 30 seconds of one commercial apparently scaring everyone away from the movie basically covers every bad spot in the movie.

The movie had great animation (duh)and even the monkies looked decent well before the film was over. The soundtrack was great, there were no pointless musical numbers, the cutesy sidekicks were actual characters rather than cutesy sidekicks. (The one that came closest to being annoying was Timone... Er, Nathan Lane's character, but his screen time was minimal and he was likable.) The story is actually a bit dark, they don't skirt around the issue of death, and the romance was handled far, far better than the commercials made it out to be. The main villain was interesting, I rather liked the main character, and was worried several characters were going to die. All comparisons aside, this movie was not a mere Land Before Time ripoff. It was its equal. In fact, it was a bit more mature than LBT, but its impossible to judge quality since LBT was ingrained into my childhood through countless viewings. This was not the usual Disney trash, this is more something I would have expected from Dreamworks. (The PG rating doesn't hurt either.) If I have any real complaint about the movie, its that it was too short.

In any event, I'll be buying this one on video in 8 months when it comes out.

**END DINOSAUR REVIEW**

Oh yeah, Princess Mononoke finally comes to video sometime in June apparently. YES!

Robby
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:51:34 AM
IP: spider-wj073.proxy.aol.com

*Hyperion staggers in, glowing dimly*
I really need to be in bed. typing with my face make productivity go waaaayyyyy down however:
Wilek Nereus>><Actually, it was originally intended as a blank null page for testing zero-point quantum protocol engines. But one day, Gorebash's cat...> blah,blah,blah...
Ok, you get a trophy for that comment. Well done and a bonus in your paycheck.
Aaron>><transformers> Well, I have the movie...<shrug> I like most of the soundtrack from he movie. Very 80's. And alot of the lyrics are good. Instruments of Destruction is on of my favorites. Great imagary. I'm working on a project stringing together clips for diffrent wars with that in the background.

Well, off the bed. There was an accident in the radiolytics lab down the hall from me and all the files I was working on got irradiated. So it'll be lots of online hunting for the data I need. <sigh. why does that always happen right before inspection?

later all!
*winks out*
*******************
"Penny for your thoughts?"
"I used your toothbrush to oil my bike chain"
"Bleck!"
"Buyer beware..."
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:40:03 AM
IP: ehdup-v-13.rmt.net.pitt.edu

** delurks**

Well, I have been here, but not online- out of town and sick. but on the upside, keep your talons crossed for me- I applied for a ft job where I am temping now, and so far it looks very good now- Knock on wood.

As for TD- well, I like the way the readers get to decide- kind of the "lady or the tiger"- Sata or Pandora? and both possiblilities work. All I could think of if Brooklyn was in deed the founder of the garg race, was this:

Oh, Brook. You stud muffin. :P
jenna
Monday, May 22, 2000 11:51:34 PM
IP: 1cust94.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

Well, I've been feeling a bit depressed today (and this crappy weather isn't helping) so I figured that hanging around here would cheer me up. Oddly enough, the fact that tomorrow is my <cough>30th<cough> birthday has nothing to do with this. Birthdays just don't seem that exciting any more. However, that doesn't mean that I wouldn't graciously accept any gifts, food, cake--that sort of thing. Mmmm...cake. Lemon or chocolate cake is especially welcome. But not both at once! Ick!! Hey! Look at me! I found Niamhgold's exclamation point stash!!!! Free exclamation points for everybody!!

Ahem. Definite mood swing happening there. Sorry. I'm better now. Really. Why is everyone backing away?
----

Random Bit of Funny Stuff for When You're Feeling Depressed:
If you're into FPS games like Unreal and Quake, visit Cranky Steve's Haunted Whorehouse (http://www.somethingawful.com/cranky/). No, it's not a whorehouse nor does it appear to be haunted, but it does have reviews of some of the worst game maps in known space. After reading some of these reviews I was laughing so hard that I almost passed out from lack of oxygen. Rather juvenile, yes, but I was in the mood for some juvenile humor. Just be warned that Cranky Steve makes liberal use of profanity. Not that it isn't warranted for some of these maps. Now I need to download some of those maps for myself and see whether they really will melt my eyeballs.
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Heather:
Hey, we depressed folks have got to support each other. Have some exclamation points!! They're fun *and* useful!!!! Amaze your friends! Beat your enemies into submission! But seriously, I'm sure that plenty of people here would be glad to listen to you should you choose to share what's bothering you. Talking can be a Good Thing. In any case, I wish you well.
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Aww...D&D is back on? And I didn't know? I haven't seen that in ages. Let's see whether I can remember to set my VCR.
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Toku Kaioto:
Hey, watch it! Now how am I supposed to fit my big ol' head though the door? I guess I'll have to settle for doing impressions of The Brain. Yes!!
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Ack! I think someone spiked the exclamation points!!!! I can't stop using them!!!!!!!! AAAAAAaaaaaa........
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, May 22, 2000 11:43:04 PM
IP: ppp-04.rb5.exit109.com

let's see...is this the Astrial you meant, Gside?

{and i'm back in the colour i used in the Message Board}.... :)

Rodlox
Monday, May 22, 2000 11:27:59 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Gside: <<Asrial, that little engineer?>> you see, i don't really know who you're talking about. although i think i read somewhere {in a fic or TGS, i'm not sure} about "the one who used to blow things up".

Gside: <<In the general situation, there is outbreeding (if
that is a word), and one more stupid coincidence probably won't be noticed>> _Outbreeding_ refers to breeding {usually livestock or wild animals [in captivity]} outside of their own species or genus. a horse+donkey mating would count, as would a tigon {tiger+lion cross}, even Elisa and Goliath - when they have a kid - would qualify.

....question is, would a Gargoyle+Mutate be classed as in-species or outbreeding? hmmm....odd question, i know; but Maggie and Talon share something with Pandora: they were human before they became gargs or garg-analogues...

CREATIVTY DEMN:

Maggie names her firstborn girl "Pandora".

END DEOMON.

...nearly said "Cassandra" instead of Pandora. oi.

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 11:26:43 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Emulation fans> Emulation was the cover story of the latest issue of IEEE's Spectrum, but not in the sense that you would expect. They were featurning a new RISC CPU that successfully emulates (with low power consumption) x86 architecture.

Namhgold> new fic: Very good, save for a few grammatical mistakes. Leaves me waiting for the inevitable family reunions.

Winterwolf> corned beef: I see you know the power.

Rodlox> <<DA: N/A>>: Not even Asrial (that little engineer)?
<<how Lex can say "except for Goliath, we don't have names", and reconcile it with _Dark Ages_>>: Easy. The names are just there in descriptive text, not dialogue (or at least they try very hard to do that). Therefore, the name are only there to help us keep track in a strtictly writen medium. (Ahh, the good Mr. Jensen already got that)

Gunjack> <<Die, Punkboy!>>: I think that DC counts as a nerdboy.
<<WHERE THE HECK DO YOU FIND THIS STUFF!?!?!?!?>>: Well, those two I discovered through my father, decided I wanted them on mp3, then went out to look for them. Right now, I am building up a little collection of Spike Jones.
<>: Glad to be of assistance.
<<Why was Roland in Berkeley?>>: My best guess is that it had something to do with student protests.
<<Modern katanas are usually 440C>>: Does that mean that they can be used as tuning forks for orchestras?
<<He didn't say a word>>: What I love about that line is that he couldn't say a word.

Warmind> <>: So does that mean I can take my soul out of safekeeping, and put it back where it belongs?

Niamhgold> <<got a fifty-dollar tip from my friend's friend. Maybe 'cause he was sorta...drunk>>: I refer you to Aaron Richton (see http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~tfarrell/stupid.html): "Make sure I get the correct change." He told me this after giving me $70.00 to pick up $22.00 worth of pizzas. What
would you call an appropriate handling fee? [Note by Tim Farrell, editor of said page]

Rodlox> <>: But remember how she backe a gargoyle in the first place. The magic probably took appropriate genes from his blood to integrate into her DNA.

Shadowrider <>: According to the online Cambridge dictionary, the only definition of mechanic is "...one who repairs or works with machines, esp. as a job"
<<my unproper use of terms was a pure mistake, due to quick typing>>: Completely understandable (and though this is a bad time to say it, it's "improper" (maybe I should go and beat up my pedant)).

Aaron> <<One can never truly be free of the fanfic>>: True, but you can be done with a single fic before you move on to the inevitable next one.

Patrick Toman> <<DNA is not always perfectly self-replicating>>: But can we assume that in this instance there were no mutations or there were complementary mutations (due to the amusing nature of time travel)?
<<the odds that two inividuals any number of generations apart will have the exact same genetic code (i.e., DNA) can be found to be infinitesimal>>: In the general situation, there is outbreeding (if that is a word), and one more stupid coincidence probably won't be noticed (especially in a time travel story that doesn't mention the speed of light). It shouldn't be too hard writing off improbabilities as a result of the extremely weird and unusual nature of time travel.

Wilek> <<Gside is an engineer and mathematician (I think)>>: Pretty much. According to Rutgers, I am officialy an electrical/computer engineer. Unofficially I am a computer engineer and a computer scientist (as well as half a linguist).
<<one day, Gorebash's cat fell asleep on his keyboard and, in its tossing and turning, accidentally wrote several HTML pages and CGI scripts and uploaded them in place of the test page>>: For which Gorebash placed his cat in the apparatus depicted at http://www.npl.washington.edu/npl/int_rep/tiqm/TI_fig_09.html
<<every console other than the N64 probably count as abandonwarez>>: Don't forget Playstation, Dreamcast, and perhaps PS2.
<<Gregor Mendel is cool>>: Gotta love those peas.

Na zodorv'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, May 22, 2000 11:13:40 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Winterwolf
<<Skippy The Klingon> I like the first page. :) When are the other pages going up? ;) < Niamhgold anime> I'm going to have to check it out. Thanks for the name Skippy. Must remember Gall Force >>

Well, the site is definetly a work in progress. I'm working on the links page at the moment. But I do plan on starting on Skippy The Klingon's Pan-Galactic Almanac very soon. I plan on having that as the centerpiece of the site. Imagine a cross between the Star Trek Encyclopedia and the Onion.

Skippy The Klingon
Monday, May 22, 2000 11:04:05 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-21.ultravision.net

Hello all. Short post. To anyone who might care, the staff credit page has been updated through "Nor Iron Bars a Cage." Way past due if you ask me...

Go to http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/staff.html or click my name to get there...

Later all,
Alan "Ordell" - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa, Texas, TX
Monday, May 22, 2000 10:44:20 PM
IP: ppp-73.ode.cableone.net

Wilek: you wish you had a beak? it's just as hard to keep clean as teeth - different problems, but overall no harder. {not speacking structurally, though}.

Rodlox
Monday, May 22, 2000 10:05:10 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Niamhgold> <<Oops :) Sorry about the name mix-up :0! That's a testament to the lack of sleep I've gotten...>> No problem. :)

Winterwolf> <<Drop me an email and I'll send it all the stuff straight to you.>> Um...is this a trainer or a patch or the like...? <> <L> Either that or I'm just endearingly stupid. ;P <<Besides that there seemed to be something about the posting style that both of you had in common that caused me to wonder whose post I was reading.>> We do use similar formatting styles...Although there are a few crucial differences between us; Gside is an engineer and mathematician (I think); I on the other hand can't even be counted upon not to walk into walls. :P

Hyperion> <<What do you people think this is? Some sort of _comment room_!?!?!>> Actually, it was originally intended as a blank null page for testing zero-point quantum protocol engines. But one day, Gorebash's cat fell asleep on his keyboard and, in its tossing and turning, accidentally wrote several HTML pages and CGI scripts and uploaded them in place of the test page. Gore turned the new virtual structure into an asylum for the criminally insane, which for some reason seemed to attract Gargoyles fans.

Warpmind> <<And as for reinforcing those laws... you know what Oldwarez and Abandonwarez is, right? Stash so old, it's technically still illegal, but the manufacturers just don't care anymore, and it's virtually impossible to get originals any longer...>> Abandonwarez I've heard of, although I'd never heard it called Oldwarez before (I don't get around much)... :} I imagine most ROMs for every console other than the N64 probably count as abandonwarez, given the age of the systems...<> Of course, Affirmative Action dictates that we'd also have to hire an equal number of Caucasians, Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics, etc... ;P Although I'm thinking of abolishing the prison system altogether--low crimes (shoplifting, petty fraud, and other inconveniences) would be fined, and high crimes (murder, assault, burglary, stalking, malpractice, and other crimes that actually hurt people physically, financially, or psychologically) would be punishable by death or the draft (which would be confined to high criminals and involve Borg-style assimilation). :)

SOROW> <<Unfortunately, my best friend is very angry with me and won't even talk. I miss him.>> Oh no. :( Hope things improve between you two...<<Are you changing colors? Drat, I was just beginning to be able to read that annoying dark blue print.>> And the fact that it's taken this long to become legible is why I've changed colors. ;) Is grey easier to read?

Revel> <> I read somewhere that no two humans on Earth are related further apart than fiftieth cousin or so. ;)

S> <<Brooklyn is the "Adam" of the Gargoyles????!!! No, no, no! No way! Impossible! Please tell me it's not true! Please! Please! You CANNOT get a "Goliath" from a Brooklyn! No no no! I mean, how can robust Gargoyle males come about from someone like Brooklyn? I really don't see how.>> Leaving aside the questions of whether Pandora was the very first gargoyle (which I doubt; did she live before or after the ancient Egypt clan?) and whether Brooklyn actually mated with her, and also leaving aside opinions of Brooklyn's robustness or scrawniness, the answer is simple: recessive genetics. If a Goliath-type build is a recessive trait (I'm not sure if this is the case for gargoyles, but we're speaking hypothetically), it could be present without being actually apparent or 'active' in gargoyles with more compact builds, like Brooklyn or Lexington. Mating with someone else who has a similarly recessive gene can result in a hatchling with a Goliath-type build (although not always immediately; sometimes it shows up several generations down the line). (Gregor Mendel is cool.) :) ('Build' is actually a combination of several traits--height/shoulder width ratio, muscle density, respiratory efficiency, etc.--but this discussion is served better by simply naming them all under one term.) <<This is directed only to the people who have a little thing for him, mainly females...what do you see in Brooklyn?>> Being other than female, I don't have a 'thing' for him as such, but I think he's cool (I also think Goliath is cool, but in different ways). I think it's the beak; beaked gargoyles have a look to them that's very different from human-looking gargoyles, sort of noble and exotic. I wish I had a beak.

Gunjack> <<I spent Friday trying to calm down a lightning-shy pomeranian, spent Saturday dissassembleing my parents bedroom, and spent all today at a company picnic... Plus, I'm missing a square inch+ of skin off my left foot, and the agravance has left me with a cute little twitch/shudder thingy...>> Um...do I wanna know what happened to your foot? <<aren't you glad they're on *our* side? :)>> True...

Heather> Welcome back! :D <> I don't skip posts, especially by people as nice to be around as you. ^_^ <<Well, this week is my week of finals. I'm extremely POed right now about everyone getting off last week and the week before and my school, Houston County High, doesn't! Life isn't fair, I know. I hope I do good on the Physical Science final... HELP ME GOD.>> Ack. O_o Hope things go well...and if you ever find out who delayed your school's summer vacation, feel free to use this <gives you a nasty-looking hooked knife> on him/her. ;)

Fire Storm> <<my immunity to nearly any pain medication my doctor perscribes.>> Oi...this is the case for a lurker friend of mine; I really have to talk him into posting the horror story that happened to him as a result...

Mara> <<You can gather up all the players you want, Wilek, and I will prove that I AM the game because I am THAT DAMN GOOD.>> That was Warpmind (I think). ;P

Aaron> <<Regardless of how you feel about pro sports, his death goes to show that being wealthy and semi-famous doesn't protect you from some drunken SOB driving down the wrong side of the highway.>> Oh GODS. >:( This idiot will be drowned in his own bile when I take over...
Wilek Nereus
Monday, May 22, 2000 08:56:43 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

******GLADIATOR SPOILER******

Winterwolf> <<<Gladiator> The incest went a bit beyond implied. You will bear me a son my sister." That was a pretty strong indication.>>

sorry.

{dammmmmmmmmm...so THAT was what they said when the hearing aid went on the fritz}.

i thought he'd just commanded her to have another son - one whose parentage wouldn't have had Maximus in his pedigree.

{though i think it wasn't the real name of hte boy's father - just who the woman _wished_ was Lucius's father}.

hmm? oh, my muse has a comment:

Muse#475.4.2/3: "the Incans had the brother and sister married officially, as a means of securing hte holy throne of the Sapa Inca, as did the Egyptians, the - hey, i wonder if Meryt -"

<muse gets beaned by me, and dragged off by the other muses to be eaten>. sorry about that.

i'm sorry, Winterwolf, i did not intend/mean to offend you in ANY way/manner/shape/etc.

******END GLADIATOR SPOILER******
Rodlox {and muses}.
Monday, May 22, 2000 08:25:47 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Winterwolf> The series airs on 11 AM Saturday mornings on Fox.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 08:21:20 PM
IP: dialin-150-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Today was a tough day. Besides having a hundred a one tasks to do I'm stuck mentoring two employees. One of them has been working at the company longer than I have and still can't debug her own code! :( I've worked as an instructor but this is an extremely tough situation. I'm almost tempted to do her work myself but that isn't going to help anybody. Actually that's what happened in the past. Other employees would do her work. Now I have to try to help her answer her own questions. If only she didn't come over to me every 10 - 15 minutes and spend 10 - 20 minutes helping her figure out what she could do. :( I hope she is getting something out of this. I imagine the axe isn't too far behind. I want her to improve but I haven't seen any change yet. This has been going on since last week. I'm the fourth person to work with her. The other employee is a new hire. :-/

******GLADIATOR SPOILER******

Rodlox> <Gladiator> The incest went a bit beyond implied. "You will bear me a son my sister." That was a pretty strong indication. Also I have a sister and while we are close we never get as close or intimate as in the movie. I'll agree it wasn't completely blatant but it went far enough for me.

******END GLADIATOR SPOILER******

Gunjack Valentine> <wolves are wild animals that DO kill livestock and possibly endanger people> I wasn't saying you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself or your property. I just feel it is wrong to offer a reward for killing. Like Mecord pointed out it gives a reason for anyone to shoot a wolf because he/she happened to see it and wants to collect. Regardless of whether or not it was endangering anything. <werewolf *gulp*> Like you'd have anything to worry about. I'm really a nice and friendly wolf. Anyway I'm sure with a name like Gunjack you can protect yourself easily.

I'm going to point out that for convenience I went along with describing Winterwolf as a werewolf but that isn't accurate. I plan on covering this in detail at some point later but I just felt like pointing it out now.

Heather> Welcome back! Good luck on your finals. <X-Men> This one has got me wondering. I saw the first trailer on the net and thought this is going to be a bomb. Then I reluctantly saw the second trailer on the net and I'm really wondering now. The second one was good. I guess I'll have to wait and see. I have some nit-picks here and there but I'll wait and see the finished product.

Mara Shinigami Cordova> Hey I remember the Undertaker! He came back from another leave of absence? I found him interesting to watch in the ring. Body bags and casket matches. :)

Niamhgold> I wanted to read it today but I was swamped. :( I won't have a chance tonight either. I promised I'd help a friend. *crosses paws* Hopefully I can start reading it tomorrow. I will tell you how much I love it when I'm done. ^_^ Glad you got a nice tip. I gave one of my friends $10 to pay for the bridge toll and gas since he was practically on empty. The other one got a smile and a thanks, but I recently picked him up from the airport and I drive to his place more often the he drives to mine. ;) <anime> Hmm. It doesn't ring a bell, but it sounds like a good one to see. Niamhgold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bow before the awesome power of your many exclamation points. ;)

DPH> That's what you are using? Ack! O.O That computer sounds like it is beyond upgrading IMO. :( I'd be happy to share any info I have. I'd be happy to add this to our email correspondence.

******TD SPOILER******

I have to say I'm enjoying the discussion on "Nor Iron Bars a Cage". <sex> I for one believe that Brooklyn just comforted Pandora. Pandora will look to the clan she went off to in search of a mate.

******END TD SPOILER******

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky> <"Dungeons and Dragons"> I want to see them. What time are they on?

Skippy The Klingon> I like the first page. :) When are the other pages going up? ;) < Niamhgold anime> I'm going to have to check it out. Thanks for the name Skippy. Must remember Gall Force

Shadowrider> <Borgs> So are you saying resistance is futile? I will be assimilated into a biker! ;)

I could write a really long RP right now but I'm not in the mood anymore. :( I am feeling much better now but I'm still concerned that at least so far I've failed to help my coworker effectively do her job. I guess I'll go with Galaxy Quest and say "Never give up. Never Surrender!" Until tomorrow!

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Monday, May 22, 2000 07:56:50 PM
IP: 206.15.122.13

Apologies for double post... just want to correct myself.

The ratio formula I gave should be 1/(2^(n-1))... that is, the geometric series 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16...

Stupid error, but I didn't realize what I'd typed til after I'd submitted.
Patrick Toman
Monday, May 22, 2000 07:30:47 PM
IP: ac819658.ipt.aol.com

Mr Toman: true enough on the genetics....but have you heard of horses growing up with faint stripes across their backs, or of horses with more than one toe per foot? {Alexander The Great supposedly had such a mount}.

{as for genetic 'lightning'...some places get hit multiple times in short time-frames...like one building near where i live: it got hit 15 times in 5 minutes - and that was before the guy watching it went inside}.

...and you're right about mutations in evolution - though they'd be lucky to 'still' be cells at all - even that was an advancement in evolution over free-range cellbits.

Rodlox
Monday, May 22, 2000 07:26:37 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Re: time loops and genetic paradoxes > Gside comments: "DNA is self replicating and therefore not a problem."

Several problems...

1) DNA is not always perfectly self-replicating. Sometimes mutations occur... this is what drives evolution. Otherwise we'd all still be single cell organisms floating in the ocean.

2) By applying probabilty theory, the odds that two inividuals any number of generations apart will have the exact same genetic code (i.e., DNA) can be found to be infinitesimal - that is, approaching zero in probability. Yet this is exactly what would have to happen if a time traveler sires his or her own ancestor.

It would be the same as taking two random individuals, letting them reproduce, and tracking the successive generations of inbreeding offspring until one found an new individual which bore the same genetic code as one of its parents. Counting the original pair as generation 1, at "n" number of generations down the line, each offspring only carries 1/(n^2) of the original genetic code of the 1st "Adam and Eve" generation, and that offspring may only pass on 1/2 of that to its own offspring. Quickly, it becomes obvious how unlikely it will be that the original genetic code could become recompiled. While it is not mathematically _impossible_, it is highly _improbable_, to the point where one would expect it to take billions of generations for the event to occur.

Now to consider the Brooklyn / Pandora case specifically... at most, there might be between 30 to 40 gargoyled generations between the time in which the story is set and the time Brooklyn is conceived. So his DNA would have 30 to 40 chances to scatter through the population and somehow reassemble EXACTLY by nothing but pure random chance. Getting struck by lighting five times in five successive years at the same hour of the on the same calendar day is a more likely event to occur... without even factoring in the possible mutation of DNA that was mentioned earlier.

So without going into detailed calculations, _that_ is why I don't believe it to be possible for a time traveler to be his own great to the umpteenth power grandparent.
Patrick Toman
Monday, May 22, 2000 07:14:17 PM
IP: ac819658.ipt.aol.com

GREG BISHANSKY - Yep, I definitely had Venger at least partly in mind when I was developing Madoc's character and appearance (particularly the latter) for TGS. (I've been rather enjoying the reruns myself).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, May 22, 2000 07:11:05 PM
IP: 216.87.46.148.dialup-stl.primary.net

**jogs into the room** Had a good off day yesterday, but kinda slow ... watched some videos we bought, still got one more to check out tonight.

Sexy gargoyle characters: Hmmmm ... probably gotta think about that one for a while ...

Heather: Nice to see ya 'round these parts again. **hugs** You ever need ta talk, you know you can bend my ear. :)

Mara-ko: Very good points about Brooklyn's relations with women. And you know I'll listen when ya go on about wrestling, love. **kiss kiss**
**looks at his pic of her to picture her changes** Yeah, those'd probably work. **kisses again**

Fire Storm: Titan AE works. And so does the Caddy, just need to clean it out. (since you did the driving last time, only fair I should do it this time.) Just need to get the right weekend to do it on ...

**observes moment of silence for Sealy** You got it right, Aaron, that's a horrible way to die. I hope that driver's put away for good this time.

Stormy: Nice Rokkan in that fic. :)

On that note, I'm gonna skip out ... oh, one more thing ... Mara-ko, I just realized on Friday that it's been six months. **grins** Never know time moves that fast, do ya?

**kisses her on his way out the door**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, May 22, 2000 05:32:49 PM
IP: 216.28.101.125

Firestorm> "DECEPTICONS FOREVER" Amen to that.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 05:12:28 PM
IP: dialin-137-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Pushes away from the computer desk.*

I'm not going to work on THAT anymore. It's been four hours. Sigh, why do I always put things off so it's just a bigger chunk of things to do?

****X-Files Spoilers****
Skippy the Klingon> I saw the episode. And loved it! Brilliant opening and it gave you the titles and commercial to scrape your jaw off the floor so you could finish watching. But we're back to the whole ambiguous sexual hygenics of characters.

Here's another question that just came to me: How are the Lone Gunmen going to react to the news? Forget Mulder on the spaceship, that's the episode I wanna see!

*Hangs a giant "I am in RL. Be back same time tomorrow." sign on her computer chair.*

Later.
Cassandra - [kindra_coates@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 05:05:14 PM
IP: 204.196.27.23

** Niamhgold bounds in **

Skippy: OMG! Thank you! You don't know how long I've been trying to recall the name of Gall Force--as if my brain had put a permanent lock on it! Now I don't have that nagging feeling of knowing something I just can't put words to! Muchas Gracias :D
BTW, great new site!

Mara: Hrmm, I guess I'll have to try watchin' sometime; You've got my interest piqued! ;)

Shadowrider: No rush reading my story! Sorry I didn't tell ya, simply because I thought you had enough to do at the time (and, as I can see, you _do_ :) !) The fic can always wait; just remember this helpful little acronym: PYF. Simply enough, it means Pay Yourself First, and means do everything important to *yourself* to take care of yourself before you get too stressed w/ others' works. :) Are you excited that you only have a month? I'd be :)

Let's see !! How many excl!amation po!ints I can use !in a !post !!!! (someone pointed out that I tend to use too many !'s in my fics...boy, are they right! I went back to one of my old stories and found around five in _one_
character's short dialogues!)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adios! ;)~!!!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 04:38:34 PM
IP: lac-flex144.ncia.net

Aaron wanders in humming "New York, New York"

It's that time of year again. Knicks. Heat. Final play of the final game... and the Knick are headed for Larryland! Ahhhhh. (Blisses out for a second)

Sorry, but I feel about this like Mara does about wrestling.

Moment of silence for Malik Sealey. Regardless of how you feel about pro sports, his death goes to show that being wealthy and semi-famous doesn't protect you from some drunken SOB driving down the wrong side of the highway.

On a lighter note, remember that Wu-name thing we were having fun with last month? Someone at Time magazine found it, and ran a bunch of famous people through it. Including George W. Bush, who came up as "Bastard Bastard Harbour Mastah" which must bug the heck out of Wagner.

Saw Gladiator. Pretty good. A bit historically inaccurate, but I won't complain. (Except the thumbs thing. Movies never get the thumbs thing right) Beautifully shot. Not Braveheart, but well worth seeing.

Hyperion> Are you also a transformers fan, by any chance?

Niamhgold><<I'm free of the fanfic, I tell you! FREEEEEEE!>> No you're not. One can never truly be free of the fanfic. You can run, you can hide, you can put it off with assignments, or try to drown it out by playing Diablo 15 hours a day, but eventually you'll let your guard down and it'll be right there, waiting. The best you can do is try to appease it and give it other people to play with, before it takes over your life completely.

SOROW> Sorry you were having a bad week. Hugz.

Mara> Your RDA of violence and pain, eh? I like that. And you're welcome to my first born, in the unlikely event that it should materialize. BTW, did that file I sent open okay?

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, May 22, 2000 04:30:50 PM
IP: ppp-152.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net

* * * * * Timedancer Comments/Spoilers * * * * *
Oh the conflict and the strife. I love it. I think Cassandra hit the nail on the head "The best stories are characters in conflict". So I won't jump in too deep on the Pandora/Brooklyn relationship. It is a good conflict on whether he could, he would or if he did.

As far as the Adam and Eve paradox, I'd recommend reading 'The Rising Pt 2' and to a lesser extent 'Sun and the Serpent Pt. 2' They both refer togargoyles being around for quite some time. There were gargoyles before the first unseelie war so it is reasonable to assume they are around by 'Nor Iron Bars' which takes place after the FUW.

As far as Titania, I'm not convinced of her benevolent nature. She's a trickster, operating on a level more subtle than most of the children, but a trickster serving her own interests first. In the show she didn't help out anyone because, she had a reason and she wasn't all together forth coming about it. And even in 'The Gathering' she's operating her own agenda, so I keep a wary eye on the fae. Of course that could just be my draconic nature.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, May 22, 2000 04:12:10 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu

You can easily guess by the picture I'm using who are my favorite characters, both in original series and in TGS. It does not imply any offense to any other character, or to any people who happen not to like the same characters as mine. Any of us, I guess, has his own favorites, it is just a matter of taste I think. Well...that's all I have to say about it, feel free to tell me I'm wrong if you like...I'll not offence ;).

Gside:><< Random english note: A mechanic is a person who (generally) works on engines. A mechanism is something (unspecified group of parts) that does something (unspecified) (also sometimes applied to chemistry or biology as a series of reactions).>> Hm, I sometimes found "mechanics" used to mean a mechanical device of any kind. Anyway, in my post my unproper use of terms was a pure mistake, due to quick typing...

Niamhgold:> Why in the world you didn't tell me you posted a new story? You bad girl...;) I downloaded it and I'll read it as I'll have time...(problem: I promised to Doug to read his story...and he published another one in the meantime...and I MUST read your one...and I'd like to finish mine...and I have two exams to pass before leaving...and a lot of other things to do...and I have exactly a month...they say that such situation develop temper...so I probably will come out of this stronger...if all this temper doesn't kill me before...;) ). Oh, by the way...are you sure that Ghostbuster costume fits to you? ;)

Winterwolf:> Free time? I see it is a common problem...
Keep me informed on how it goes. Needless to say, if I can help you, feel free to ask.

Valentine:> Tom Clancy, huh? I've read some of his books ("The Hunt for Red October", "The cardinal of the Kremlin" and "Red storm rising"). Good stuff, indeed, especially if you, like me, are interested in military. About the Gladius...I made a *bad* mistake in that post...writing sleepily, I mistakenly considered "Gladius" as neuter and so I wrote the plural as "gladia"...while the right plural, as Kyrin correctly said, is "gladii"...the funny thing is that some years ago I did the same mistake in a final, and my teacher gave me a headwash for this is a very stupid mistake...:-\

Fire Storm:> <<DECEPTICONS FOREVER!>> Right on! And Borgs forever too!

No more to say.

Ciao!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, May 22, 2000 04:00:43 PM
IP: h213-20-215.mi2.albacom.net

Naimgold<<Speaking of anime...I once caught a wonderful movie on Sci-Fi once. I can't remember what it's called, but it was about a fleet of pilots from one race (all girls), and their race was feuding with a bunch of monster-men (Solarians?). Well, in an effort to unite the 2 races, they attempted a cloning attempt on the unsuspecting members of the female crew, and inadvertantly created the first pregnancy--and the first male of the human race. In the end, they land on a planet that looks like Earth. They destroy this planet's surface to kill the other starfleets, who want their cloned male back, and the surface becomes molten rock. Two fleet members escape ("Pony" and the cloned male), and they propagate the human race on a nearby planet, which becomes Earth. The planet they had originally landed on, the molten one, solidifies and becomes our moon.

Anyone know the name of this? Is it, perhaps, the end or beginning of a spinoff series I now know well? >>

That would be Gall Force. I've got it on video, there are a few more in the series. Though I can't give you the details off the top of my head...

****X-Files Spoilers ahead*****
Well, As for who is the father of Scully's baby, Mulder is a possiblity. Earlier in the season, in that episode Gillian Anderson directed, we did have that scene of Scully getting dressed and walking out of Mulder's apartment. Though they implied at the end that nothing happened, it is still a possibility.
**************************

BTW: Click on my name link to get a look at my new website!
Skippy The Klingon
Monday, May 22, 2000 03:57:50 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-26.ultravision.net

Wow, been a while since I posted.

Didn't see X-Files, I was watching "Dogma" instead.

I saw "Road Trip" this weekend. Very funny movie, I recommend it. There are a few sick scenes though. And Tom Green is not the main character, and not really that important to the plot... but he is funny. I plan to see "Gladiator" next.

Simpsons last night was weird, it had its moments but it was weird.

Cassandra> I doubt Anakin was the result of a virgin birth. When I watched that, my response was "bull-%*^@" (it's the same as when Obi Wan told Luke, Vader betrayed and murdered his father). I'm not going to get into Jesus because as a Jew, my beliefs are a little different.

Also, has anyone been watching the "Dungeons and Dragons" re-runs on Fox? I'm enjoying them, I used to watch the show many years ago, but I was really young then. I can see the resemblance between Madoc and Venger, Todd.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 03:32:10 PM
IP: dialin-137-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

ACK! I spelled it wrong! Click my name for the CORRECT page or check out http://www.slidersweb.net/nowandagain/

Sorry about that and sorry about the double post!
Mandolin
Monday, May 22, 2000 03:23:24 PM
IP: g6192.apgea.army.mil

Posting from work, but have nothing to do because I still haven't been in-processed... yeesh... Worse, I'm sitting here flipping through some documentation on Perl, unable to do any work, when the General on post comes through the department and asks me, "Not working?" I explained the situation, but that was embarrassing.

**reads a familiar post** HEATHER!!! Welcome back!! **bowls her over with a hug** I can't believe you thought most people would skip your post! If you need to talk, e-mail me, okay?

An off-topic note but still important: The main reason that I haven't been posting (aside from the Boy) is the cancellation of "Now and Again" and the insane renewal campaign to bring it back. This kind of thing worked for "The Magnificent Seven," which reportedly had lower ratings and a lot less media exposure, so we do have a shot. We're trying a letter campaign, a media campaign, and are raising the money to take out an ad in Variety. If anyone - ANYONE - is interested in helping out, please click my name for more info. Hope you all saved your plastic eggs from Easter...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 03:22:11 PM
IP: g6192.apgea.army.mil

*Turns away from the computer briefly.*

****X-FILES SPOILERS****
Sheesh, forgot. Watched X-Files last night. Very impressed and satisified. Cancer Man came to nice end. have one question since I've missed the past few episodes, probably a month's worth. Who did Scully sleep with?! And please tell me she slept with somebody! Anakin Skywalker, Jesus, and Eve used up all my credulance in virgin births. Okay, virgin births isn't the proper term but "child conceived without sperm" takes too long to type.

*Turns back to the computer.*
Cassandra - [kindra_coates@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 03:07:43 PM
IP: 204.196.27.23

*Cassandra enters the CR dragging a computer desk in with her. She sets it up, zaps a computer chair into existance, and sits down.*

Now I am finally getting to all the work I said I was going to do during the weekend. Feel free to interrupt.

Heather> There are only three movies that I am salvitating for while waiting to see: "X-Men", "Titan A.E.", and "Lord of the Rings". Good thing for my clothes I get to see two of them this summer. I've only seen one shot of Wolverine in a badly printed picture of the movie poster in the university's paper. He looks kinda young, that's all I'm saying.

****TIMEDANCER STUFF****
Brook and Pandora sex issue> Nice counterargument, Airwalker. Comforting took place and the story is ambiguous as to what happened next. I suppose my scenerio sounded a little cerebal. And I agree with you that if it took place, it must be addressed. Sata probably would not be happy about it (given how she reacted to Meryt and over-reacted to Gwen--but that was probably some hormones kicking in).

But if it did take place, and was address, Sata did eventually forgive. Look at their behavior after they return to the present. *Shrugs.* To quote, "Time travel is funny that way."

I wouldn't even suggest having Brooklyn gloss over it. Way too many story possiblities with dealing with the issue. The best stories are characters in conflict.

New Olympus and How did humans find out about Loki> Pandora aged physically about twenty years since Brooklyn last met her. But is that how much time passed in the mortal world? According the the story, she spent some time on Avalon and under a sleep spell. "I would wake up and saplings would have grown into trees..."

If more than twenty years had passed in the mortal world, that would give Loki time to get aquainted with the humans. And perhaps he agreed with Payne's choice of name because he was already being called by it.

Brooklyn setting himself up as the TimeDancer> Of course he is. It's his destiny, and it's hard to fight/circumvent destiny.

*Turn to the computer desk and starts typing digently.*
Cassandra - [kindra_coates@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 02:58:35 PM
IP: 204.196.27.23

<<Toku Kaioto--> Did you know that the part of your post directed at me is a prime example of "the pot calling the kettle black", no wait, "the pot calling the pot black"?>>

You know, I considered that when I attempted to make my post, trying to be as polite as possible while still being firm about it. Daniel Johnson, however, made a much more effective pursuasive point and my hat is off to him. (My friend, you are amazing).

However, you might be well served to note the infrequently-used addendum to my name I put on that post and this one. "CR Deputy Admin" That's means its My responsibility along with Robby the CR Admin to manage this place for Gorebash, the guy who owns nad codes it.

Let me make this very clear, I gave you some advice to stop actions that can provoke fights and flame wars before you could get yourself and other people in a heap of trouble, K? I was as nice as I could about it and didn't make it one of those "3-strikes" warnings or anything chastizing and official. I want you to be able to talk about characters and have fun just like everyone else, and I didn't want you to feel like you'd be ridden out of town on a rail every time you mention Goliath. I ~was~ trying to be considerate of you.

As for firmly telling you something that might have made you feel singled out or embarassed, I'm afraid you are going to have to suck it up. It's my Job to single people out for stuff like that. It is NOT your job to bait people over their opinions. What I told you is not "provocative" in the used sense here because it can't start a flame war or a fight. You don't go into flame wars with the CR Administration over how your feelings were hurt by being told not to cause trouble.

It's not about hypocrisy or being any better than you, (I'm not superior to you in any way, I'm bound to abide the same rules and standards as everyone else here) it is about simple cause and effect dissimilarities.

Cause: It's my job. Effect: No flame wars.

So I would kindly ask that your pots and kettles remain in the kitchen, if you please.

Thanks.
Toku Kaioto - CR Deputy Admin. - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, May 22, 2000 02:50:22 PM
IP: 1cust184.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Grins at Mara's t-shirt.* So, you're the game, huh? Should I call the Game Warden, or should I gather up some players? ;) (Sorry; I've spent too much time at Callahan's lately...)

*coughs and does her best gravelly wrestler's voice* You can gather up all the players you want, Wilek, and I will prove that I AM the game because I am THAT DAMN GOOD.

*sweatdrop* if you think that's bad... I'm contemplating dying my hair blonde so I can go impersonate a thirty one year old male wrestler... Heh.. you thought you were obsessive about YOUR crushes?

Niamhgold: I may not be into WWF, but I think it's one of the more highly marketable areas in showbiz :) I've even contemplated getting myself some of those shirts...

Try watching it, it's like a soap opera only... better. I thought it was dorky and for fat stupid guys who had no lives.. but I got into it last year. Wrestling has a LOT of female fans... for the obvious reason, namely hunky men. I watch is nearly religiously now... i owe my mother my first born child becuase I've been orderig the pay-per-views so much. And thse suckers are expensive!
Mara Shinigami Cordova
Monday, May 22, 2000 02:49:31 PM
IP: spider-wb033.proxy.aol.com

<<<and grabs his Comfy Chair (tm)>
Now, is that the one from the Tick or from Monty Python?>>

probably from _Farscape_....�fetch the comfy chair� -Crichton.

<<Tina is Avery *Doyle*'s cousin,
written by Christi Smith *Hayden*.>>

hhmmm...given that i haven�t been able to read her work for over a month though, not bad.

{at least i didn�t say Tina deInza}.

<<Be a bit careful next time, eh? ;) >>

you think she reads this CR? {wondering, not attacking}!!

Thanks, Kyryn, for the swords.
<to everyone else>....of course, more information is welcome. :)

<<Rodlox: <any langage translation is welcome>
RUSSIAN!
Fire Storm ->>

ha ha, Fire Storm....now can you insert the translation?

<<Inbreeding is NOT the way to begin a species>>

i know Cheetahs [who] would disagree with you.

for that matter, all of Humanity is inbred slightly!! 75 thousand years ago, more than HALF of all of human genetic diversity died out {or vanished, take your pick, for storytelling purposes}.

<>

i don�t follow [your logic]. wouldn�t 45/55 or 50/50 be more accurate?

Rodlox
Monday, May 22, 2000 02:43:12 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Warpmind: <Nope, a PC flightstick is ideally equipped with two buttons>
Throttle is nice too.
<I'd say left hand, but I remembered that a lot of people prefer to use the left hand on the stick>
I wish. Mine forces me to use my left hand.
<And don't read that sexually, please>
Aww... take all the fun out if it, why don't you? :)
<Had these copyright laws been enforced, I fear I'd be taking a *long* vacation at the Iron Bar Hotel>
I think thats how it is for alot of computer users.

Hyperion: 
Legal or other? Isn't Poser cool? I only wish it's renderer was better.

David G: <Then you have to find some other way to close>
Throwing daggers.

Coyote: Movie:
How about Titan AE?
I will probally go see it the day it opens or the next day.
<Anyway, my name isn't short for *anything,*>
It's short for Don and long for D :)
<wish I could remember the whole thing>
This is my rifle,
This is my gun,
This is for shooting,
This is for fun? :)

SJ: <Maybe I have a sick, warped sense of humor, but damn it if I don't start laughing the moment R.Lee Ermey appears on the screen...>
Welcome to the club!
<"You know Lake Eerie once caught fire from all the s*** floating in it? I would have liked to seen that.">
It probally looked pretty cool, but can you imagine all the religious nuts saying "The water burns! The world is going to end!"

Gunjack: <discovered an amazing immunity to hydracodiene>
Kinda like my immunity to nearly any pain medication my doctor perscribes.
And the immunity to (average amounts) of caffene, but my total addiction to the stuff.
<"So since beer contains barley, does that mean if we get drunk and fall asleep in a hot tub we'll wake up as haggis?">
When did Torg say that?
<and grabs his Comfy Chair (tm)>
Now, is that the one from the Tick or from Monty Python?
<My Rifle: The Creed of a United States Marine>
Why do I have a feeling you typed that completely from memory?

Wilek: <They're pretty much impossible to deflect, except by another lightsaber>
Or dragon scale.

Shadowrider: <I'm so tired to see the good ones win!>
DECEPTICONS FOREVER!

Taleweaver: <It's flyign low over the water. Basically, your body sink, the air that's displaced pushes you up and you can glide for miles.>
Ground effect flight.
Or simply ground effect. It only works at an altitude of either below half a wing span or 1.5x your wingspan. I forget which.

DPH: <While, I'm on the subject of multiple email addresses, how many people have>
f)6 email addresses
1 ISP, 1 work, 1 personal, 1 my own business, 1 given out to sites I know will sell it, 1 shared with LM
<just 600 mhz, 20 + gig hd, CD-RW, LS120, 128 + meg RAM, full tower, 19" monitor>
Hmm... roughly $1500. Unless you can find a 19" monitor under $600
And I say the best time to buy a computer is when the processors come under $200. (NOTE: P3 733's are available for ~$400)
I saw your questions...
1. Make sure it is at least a 133 system bus, or a 200mhz if you can.
2. Make sure it can hold 512mb SDRAM. Then the limit is 2gig.

Winterwolf: <So that didn't count as a post?>
Sorry. It dosn't! ;)

Joxter: <Who's to say he and Pandora didn't start the gargoyle race?>
Possible, but I doubt it. Brookyln didn't seem THAT depressed. I think if he did, he would feel like he was cheating on Sata.

Robby: <Did Brooklyn mate with Pandora?>
I say no. I mean, genetically, if he DID, that child is 75% Brooklyn.
Inbreeding is NOT the way to begin a species.

Airwalker: 
I am SO glad someone said that! :)
So... if Pandora gets pregnant, do all the windows in the area shatter? ;)

Gside: <...dona eis requiem>
Don't you always wreck my head? ;)
<my opinion as a must for New York>
My ONE regret about G98!
<Are we sure the good Mrs. Morgan did not help with the writing?>
THAT would be nice!

Rodlox: <any langage translation is welcome>
RUSSIAN!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, May 22, 2000 02:19:31 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com

**COMPUTER RELATED**
I was going to wait for new processors to be released so the price of old ones would go down. Right now, I'm using a 100 mhz, 16 mg RAM, 1 gb hd, 15" monitor. I am going to ask few questions when I get ready to buy the PC: 1) will I be able to put newest processor in this PC without replacing my motherboard (I plan on upgrading one day); 2) what is the maximum amount of RAM I can have in this PC?. I am going to write all my questions in a file so I print it out when I get ready to buy the new PC.
**END COMPUTER RELATED**

RP size - I found a nifty small text editor at Tucows called Editpad. Considering its size, it does a lot of things. Anyways, I copy all my comments (everything but RP) into the EditPad and look at the size. Then all copy all post and paste it over my the existing text and compare the sizes. By doing that, I avoid making 51% of my post, RP.

I can't hardly believe how much time I've saved surfing online since I stopped checking my hotmail email account and now my excite email account.

**TD SPOILERS**
Hmm. I'm beginning to wonder if Brooklyn set himself up to become the TimeDancer.
**END TD SPOILERS**

Gladiator - I have a game called Gladiator on my computer. You can download it at fsgames.com. I haven't heard anything from the company after I sent email checking to see if it was still in business.

**BATTLE FOR TECHNOLOGY SAGA continues**
Inside the car, DPH erects a forcefield around his car.

"I can't hold a forcefield for long. I am going to open a portal to a spot. Use the dirt from inside the portal to give my car 1/2 " titanium armor all the way around." DPH tells Plastique Saber.

"But your engine won't be able to handle the weight," replied Plastique Saber.

"Just do it," DPH replies as opens the portal.

Outside the car
"Damn. We're dealing with 2 mutants here. Garrison, quickly take a photograph of the other one so we can identify him later. Ford, bring out the heavy artillary because our guns are not doing any damage," yelled Fred Hitman.

"Got him. We will be able to identify him in the future," said Greg Garrison.

"Here are the missile launchers, We have 50 missile launcher with 200 missiles, 50 flame throwers, and 10 machine guns so take your pick," said Jennifer Ford.

Inside the car
"Do you see what weapons they're picking up? I'm calling for help," said DPH. He summoned multiple illusions inside his home calling for help, explaining the situation and what he needed, and giving directions to where he was. He hoped Winterwolf or Jason Filler would see one of them and respond promptly because his home was less than 10 minutes away.
**END BATTLE FOR TECHNOLOGY SAGA for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 01:15:12 PM
IP: max1-14.cwy.cei.net

Hola!

"S": <Does the tone of that statement meant to be enthusiastic or sarcastic?> Purely enthusiastic! I'm an avid Goliath supporter. He's kind of like a big Teddy Bear; plus, he's endured many trials while always grasping some air of dignity/nobility. Your points on Brooklyn are well met; I love in-depth posts :) I guess when I said "Brooklyn is more intelligent" I just meant street-smarts...but now that I look back at what I said, I'm disagreeing with my yesterday self. This is why I like having other people post their opinions, because it opens my mind to new ideas, as well as makes me go back to reconsider old ones! :)

Gunjack: I'm taking my medicine as we speak...chill pills, as my old friend Jenny would say. I'll try and get a ghostbuster pic up...might take a little bit, 'cause I need to get the film developed.
A world without Manga? (** shudders **) Maybe an "It's a wonderful life" spoof would be necessary to demonstrate the forthcoming horrors of such a world. Surely, it would be an existence with many more "mangos," and a lot less entertainment (and artistic splendor; I get so much inspiration from such stuff).

Speaking of anime...I once caught a wonderful movie on Sci-Fi once. I can't remember what it's called, but it was about a fleet of pilots from one race (all girls), and their race was feuding with a bunch of monster-men (Solarians?). Well, in an effort to unite the 2 races, they attempted a cloning attempt on the unsuspecting members of the female crew, and inadvertantly created the first pregnancy--and the first male of the human race. In the end, they land on a planet that looks like Earth. They destroy this planet's surface to kill the other starfleets, who want their cloned male back, and the surface becomes molten rock. Two fleet members escape ("Pony" and the cloned male), and they propagate the human race on a nearby planet, which becomes Earth. The planet they had originally landed on, the molten one, solidifies and becomes our moon.

Anyone know the name of this? Is it, perhaps, the end or beginning of a spinoff series I now know well?

Winterwolf: Hi again! :) Sure, I'll probably throw in Ecto! I'm a long way from dealing w/ that right now, though, since I've got several other things to complete (Gathering Miniposters, for one :) As for fanfic...well, if you really want to see my convuluted ideas, check the gargs fan website. It's under my name, Niamhgold. But, ah, I think I made it a little too long to handle (276 KB). I also like being driven around. Especially after last night; I was the designated driver at a party, and I had to drop off five people. Now, if you had to shape my town area like a star, and place my house at the center of this five-sided star, I had to drop off each of these people at a different point. I used up a full tank of gas...but, nicely enough, got a fifty-dollar tip from my friend's friend. Maybe 'cause he was sorta...drunk. But I don't think I'll tell him :)

Mara: I may not be into WWF, but I think it's one of the more highly marketable areas in showbiz :) I've even contemplated getting myself some of those shirts...

Heather: Hi! Sorry that your school gets out later. Mine does not end for five days, but we'll both be hanging in there!

Hmmm ** Raises spectacles that she does not own, but just wants to imitate Owen ** Looks like I've covered just about everything...

Adios!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 01:08:16 PM
IP: lac-flex142.ncia.net

*Warpmind enters, holding a small stack of papers in his hand.*
Yay! I have finally finished another episode! Rush off to the Archive to read it, if you like. :)
**FANFIC SPOILER/TEASER**
NIGHTSTONE UNLIMITED HQ, JUNE 22ND
Anton Sevarius jumped when Dominique Destine leaned over his shoulder and asked how his work was progressing.
"Good heavens, ms. Destine, don't DO that! You nearly killed me."
Dominique Destine stared cooly at him.
"Knowing you, that's unlikely. As I asked, how is your work on this parasite progressing?"
"Actually, better than anticipated. I think I have isolated the parasite's reproduction-related genetic sequences; preliminary tests would indicate that the formula I have developed should be able to infertilize this goo. But I must admit, actually working for the benefit of mankind is rather unsettling to me."
Dominique Destine raised a brow.
"Oh? Because you apply your talents to actually benefit people you know you will never meet, without even proper financial recognition for your work?"
Sevarius frowned.
"No, those things aren't altogether that much unsettling... the part that scares me is that I actually enjoy this."
**SPOILER/TEASER END**

Rodlox: Norwegian translation: "Vi som skal d�, hilser deg."

SJ: Rest assured, e-mail is on the way.

Gside: Relax, buddy, I've heard the song, I like it, and I printed out the lyrics. :) I'd just never heard of it before. :(

Rodlox: Dude, you mixed up names a bit in your character list there... Tina is Avery *Doyle*'s cousin, written by Christi Smith *Hayden*. Be a bit careful next time, eh? ;)

Gunjack Valentine: Dude, it's a matter of being able to *buy* comics; there's just a terrifyingly small handful of comics actually worth the time and money available over here... In fact, it's so bad, I'm tempted to start my own import company, on a service basis, not a profit basis! As for the two weapon combat thing... you know how those mid-European sickles were made, right? :)

S: You're a female? Tsk, easy mistake to make; your post gave off what I'd categorize as strongly masculine vibrations. 'Course, it's time for a sensory check-up, anyway... And Brooklyn's time-travels with the Phoenix gate DID take him fourty years. As for the way he talks back, well... consider this: he's the Second in Command. If you were the Leader of a clan, who would you rather have as your Second: a brown-nosing wuss, or someone who has the guts to talk back and point out weak spots? As for his actions in "Metamorphosis", well, first, consider things from Brooklyn's point: he sees a terrified, traumatized female, with strong resemblances to gargoyle females, and thus a) he feels the need to protect, and b) he sees a potential mate. (Though he did get zapped thoroughly for it.) Then, despite what he might have felt about the way Maggie turned him down, he *still* rushed off to help her in "The Cage". I mean, how many guys that you know would be likely to do the same thing?

*Grins at Mara's t-shirt.* So, you're the game, huh? Should I call the Game Warden, or should I gather up some players? ;) (Sorry; I've spent too much time at Callahan's lately...)

*Walks out, humming the melody of "Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:47:25 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no

*diddybops into the CR victorious, wearing her "I am the Game" t-shirt and DX hat, Xelloss-kun is grinning ear to ear, having gotten his daily allotment of violence and pain, sick little Mazoku *

I know none of you really care since I'm pretty much the only one into WWF wrestling... but I don't care.. I'm happy. The Undertaker is back and Triple H won the Iron Man match!

Onto replies.
S-chan::
"Tsk, if he were no gentleman, why'd he do what he did for Maggie in "The Cage"?" Ha! It's funny you should mention Maggie, because I have a question for you. If Brooklyn was a gentleman, why did he do what he did to Maggie in "Metamorphosis"? If you call forcing a frightened, traumitized lady into having some kind of relationship with you, with no regards to her feelings, never giving her breathing room, gentleman-like, well...*shrug* And that is what Brooklyn did as some other person pointed out, I forgot their name. Then, he had the nerve to feel sorry for himself when he should have felt ashamed. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

In Brooklyn's defense (since I'm pretty much Devil's advocate by profession) you have to remember he's just a kid, and very supseptible to his own feelings. Not as mature as Goliath in *any* respects. The last gargoyle-like female he had contact with was Demona... and she totally betrayed and used him. So meeting Maggie would have a profound affect on the gargoyle teenager, doncha think? The important thing about Brooklyn is that he grows as a character, and has to work hard at it to mature.Goliath is already and adult, was the Clan Leader a thousand years ago... blah da dee blah dee da. So its hard to compare the two as equals until either "the Cage" (?) when Brooklyn is forced to take over the clan in Goliath's absense or "future tense" when he meet up with a forty (eighty) year old Brooklyn who has lead the Clan in relatively tough times.

Please forgive an misspellings.. it's gosh darn early.
Mara Shinigami Cordova - [mcordova999@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:24:18 PM
IP: spider-we021.proxy.aol.com

Oops! Forgot the email link. Here it is.
Kyryn - [kyrynsan@hotmail.com]
Denton, TX
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:18:09 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

***Kyryn sneaks in****

Daniel Johnson> The paragraph breaks are indeed and HTMLing problem. I try to catch them but sometimes miss one or two. If you notice any, would you please email me at the addy below. I'll make the needed corrections.

Rodlox> Roman swords question: Republic gladii (sing. gladius) were typically "leaf-shaped" with a slight narrowing from the base, then widening towards the tip. Empire gladii were straight blades, although the pommel went from an oblong shape to a rounder one. Not sure about the Byzantine blades, but I think that they looked more like a large version of today's kukri knives. Hope this helps.

Later all!

***Kyryn sneaks out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:13:35 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Valentine> We were facing a creature of utter darkness with big nasty tentacles. If one of the tentacles touched you, your soul was sucked out, instantly, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00.

To stop the critter, we needed to place a keystone in the archway of the chamber it was in. The keystone was in the next room. Cordelia (my character) was a psychic. She used Clairvoyance to see into the room where we'd left the keystone, and Telekenisis to levitate it into the room where we were. While she was doing that, she couldn't protect herself from the tentacles.

(Ironically, she was the only party member who couldn't have her soul sucked out by them, but she still couldn't levitate the stone while she was being attacked)

Gera was protecting Cordelia, and he was finally overwhelmed.

Incidentally, my little brother's character also died, but Cordelia didn't like him very much anyway, so I didn't mention it. :)

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, May 22, 2000 09:01:13 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Hehe..I wuv this piccy! ^_^

Anyways...

*****G2K ANNOUNCEMENT!****

Registration for the Lifedrawing seminar is now up!
(follow the link)

This is a pre-registered event! (aka, you can't go to the gathering and walk into it)
There's information on the page, rules, permission for participants under 18 etc. ^_^ IF you have any questsions, feel free to email me!

Later gargs and goyles

*end of announcement*
Siryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 08:20:40 AM
IP: ac949837.ipt.aol.com

RODLOX - Actually, our use of names for the gargoyles in "Dark Ages" isn't quite the contradiction of Lexington's remark in "Awakening" that it seems. The names were unofficially given them by Brother Edmund, who never even called them by that, but merely used them in his private chronicles. (Edmund is a good man and very understanding of gargoyles, but he's also a human, and so goes by the "Things need names" attitude - just as we do, which is why we gave the gargoyles names in the spin-off). The gargoyles don't even know about these names, and only Goliath ever officially receives one in the pre-994 period. (There is the case of Javin being called by name, true, but that was a goof-up that somehow slipped unnoticed through Edits).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, May 22, 2000 07:09:20 AM
IP: 216.87.46.25.dialup-stl.primary.net

*slowly walks into the room, looking all around* You thought you guys would never see me again, huh ? I could give the "I'm busy" excuse but... no. But things have happened since I've been gone. I won't go into very good detail because I know that most of you would just skip this post. *sighs sadly*

** TD Spoilers **
Good episode, I've been following along the series to past the time, it isn't my favorite series but oh well. The Pandora/Brooklyn thing... I don't know. But if I was asked about "Did you think they mated ?" I would have to say "Yes." Brooklyn felt an overwhelming guilt throughout the episode.
Payne... I don't get this character. He's annoying. Oh well.
**End spoilers**

Well, this week is my week of finals. I'm extremely POed right now about everyone getting off last week and the week before and my school, Houston County High, doesn't! Life isn't fair, I know. I hope I do good on the Physical Science final... HELP ME GOD.

Anyway, has anyone seen Dinosaur yet ? My dad and I were going to Saturday but I spent all of this spending money that my mom would let him have. *smiles slightly* That's what daughters are good for, spending dad's money.

And, what do you guys think of the casting of X-Men ? *knows she's going to get a huge load of negative posts about this* But I think the cast of the movie looks great. The only two actors I know of is Patrick Stewart and Ray Park. But... this Hugh Jackman guy doesn't look so bad as Wolverine. *blushes suddenly, thinking out loud* Oops. Sorry. *sighs and adds "Hugh Jackman" to her actor crush list*

Anyway, I'll be off. *for a strange she doesn't fly out of the room, but she puts on a black cloak, raises the hood over her head then leaves*
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 06:53:26 AM
IP: ac92c8d7.ipt.aol.com

Todd-->"...Blaise said...seeking to elevate Goliath by tearing Brooklyn down;" No, actually he said something about people seeking to elevate Brooklyn by tearing Goliath down, but what does it matter? I think he meant the same for every character no matter what example he used.

"...can you imagine how Demona would respond if she found out that gargoyles were descended from humans?" Someone already visited that idea. Tina Price, and Demona went through great lengths to keep that bit of information from getting out by systematically executing all the scientists who discovered those startingly facts.

Daniel Johnson-->"Hey, I remember you." Oh, I remember you, too, 'The Voice of Reason'. Hello. "You know those "negative ads" that politicians always run on TV?" Yes, yes I do. "Well, your post was a lot like such an ad for Goliath." *sheepishly* Oh, yeah I guess it is. Now I know how the politicians feel when they get bashed, and give into the temptation to stoop to their opponents' level and start bashing 'them'. With all that muck in flying around in the fandom, it's a very hard not to contribute to it, and take cheap shots yourself. I will try very hard not to do it again, but there is no guarantee that I will succeed in doing so.

"They'll only lead to hurt feelings all around and that's not what this room is about, 'K?" Alright, but I couldn't help exacting a little revenge. "...why don't you try explaining why you like Goliath without comparing him to other characters." I already have, deary. "It doesn't have to be a contest." I know, that's another example of stooping on my part.

Cassandra-->"Now as to which one wins out of all of them as sexiest, Sir Griff." *smirk* I don't like Griff the way I 'think' you do. He's my second favorite character out of "Gargoyles". I wish they did more episodes with him in it. "I would like to add I'm not trying to start a "Griff is the best" campaign." *smirk* I wouldn't mind that, as long as you didn't say "Goliath sucks" or something. But then, I need to practice what I preach.

Niamhgold-->"Ah, so we've got another Goliath supporter :) Yay!" Yes, I am. Does the tone of that statement meant to be enthusiastic or sarcastic? "...Brooklyn, I don't feel, could ever match him in strength..." Well no he can't, but that's not why I like Goliath, though. "Brooklyn was a little more intelligent..." *furrows eyebrows* Really? Wow, I never saw that. In what way? I always saw it as the opposite. I always thought, and still do, that Brooklyn was average, a little into the highs, in intelligence, whereas, Goliath into the highs. Why? Well because Goliath shows great evidence of high intelligence in certain areas. He basically is a philosophical genius, very understanding, and a great compromiser. He's great at convincing people with his power of speech. I find that very impressive and extraordinary. I wish I had that gift. Goliath was able to convince that irrational, pompous fool, Oberon to not take Alex away, or better, when he convinced the impossibly smart Matrix to not continue what they were doing. Ahh, I remember the dialogue clearly, Goliath: "Matrix, you must listen to me. Order is not frozen perfection, it is dynamic, evolving." Matrix: "We are programmed to create order." Goliath: "You are not creating, you are NEGATING. Your peace is that of the grave!" Now, if that isn't a great show of brains, I don't know 'what' is. But then, I understand why you think that the physically well-endowed Goliath would be less intelligent to someone like Brooklyn, being not as endowed. The bigger and buffer is usually the dummy, while the smaller, skinnier guy has the brains. That doesn't apply at all here, though.

Warpmind-->"Dude" Dude? Um, sorry, sir, but I'm not a guy. "I find it completely plausible that a gargoyle can grow another foot or two from [the time] he's fourty to [when] he's eighty." But from what I remember Brooklyn wasn't gone for very long. "And Brooklyn's no gentleman?" Not in my definition. A gentleman is someone who is always respectful and courteous to others, and smart-mouthing people is hardly what I call courteous, especially your elders. If I talked to my parents the way Brooklyn talks to Goliath at times, I'd get smacked in the mouth. I was brought up in a household where I was told to respect my elders. I could be 60 and my parents 90 and I'd still have to talk to them respectfully and not just like any old person out on the street. Brooklyn's lucky Goliath's such a nice guy, because if I were Goliath I wouldn't have put up with it for one minute. Brooklyn would be walking around with a swollen beak if he tried to pull that stuff on me.

"Tsk, if he were no gentleman, why'd he do what he did for Maggie in "The Cage"?" Ha! It's funny you should mention Maggie, because I have a question for you. If Brooklyn was a gentleman, why did he do what he did to Maggie in "Metamorphosis"? If you call forcing a frightened, traumitized lady into having some kind of relationship with you, with no regards to her feelings, never giving her breathing room, gentleman-like, well...*shrug* And that is what Brooklyn did as some other person pointed out, I forgot their name. Then, he had the nerve to feel sorry for himself when he should have felt ashamed. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Toku Kaioto--> Did you know that the part of your post directed at me is a prime example of "the pot calling the kettle black", no wait, "the pot calling the pot black"?
S
Monday, May 22, 2000 05:22:50 AM
IP: ip22.tacoma17.wa.pub-ip.psi.net

*Gunjack Valentine strolls in, humming stridently and carrying a small rabbit. He settles himself gently into his Comfy Chair (tm), sets the rabbit on his desk, and begins rythmicly beating his head against the old teak. After several minutes of thumping and discordant humming, he looks up.*

Hello, everyone! I just spent two hours preparing an exhaustive *twitch* defence of the katana while offline, and accidentally erased it all when *twitch* reconnecting!
*Valentine points to the small, cute rabbit on his desk*

This is Chibi Bun-Bun, the homicidal mini-lop. If you've ever read Sluggy Freelance, you should be familiar with him. That, Bun-Bun, *points to DC* is the punk that cost me several hours of work. I want you to wreak my revenge!!!
*Chibi Bun-Bun yawns. Valentine's eyes narrow.*
Fine. Let me put it this way. DC is all that stands between you and an all-expenses paid trip to see Baywat... *Before he can finish the sentence, the homicidal rabbit is flying through the air toward the rouge hacker, brandishing a switchblade and screaming "Die, Punkboy!" Moments later, DC has managed to be in several places at once...

It's been a long day... I spent Friday trying to calm down a lightning-shy pomeranian, spent Saturday dissassembleing my parents bedroom, and spent all today at a company picnic... Plus, I'm missing a square inch+ of skin off my left foot, and the agravance has left me with a cute little twitch/shudder thingy...

Winterwolf><<What the bleeping heck is this? I can't believe that there is a reward to top it off! Mecord add me to that protest list.>> It seems that this would be a good time to mention that wolves are wild animals that DO kill livestock and possibly endanger people... Though that's probably not the best thing to mention to a werewolf... *gulp*

Gside - After listening to Political Science, I have buit one question to ask: WHERE THE HECK DO YOU FIND THIS STUFF!?!?!?!? 8O <<What? According to Warren Zevon (and a line in the song), he is Norway's bravest son. And it just happens that has no head (for the second half of the song) and is very good with a Thompson (aka Tommy) Gun.>> Sometimes, 'Mano, you scare me... *Listens to the song* YESSS!!! SWEET!!! *composes self* Oookay, I think I just found my next GURPS character... And my buddy was wanting to do a Horror campaign, too... :D
One question, though... Why was Roland in Berkeley? :)
*Returns to scanning the CR, after putting PoliSci and RtHTG on repeat...*
<<Random unenlightned question: But is therea better blade for all situations? (i.e. no matter what, that one other blade would be a better choice.)>> Probably not. Check the Weapon Post below...

********************TD SPOILERS! TD SPOILERS!***************

Pandora Debate - I haven't read the ep in question, but I've read enough comments to get the gist of it... The idea of Brook sleeping around rubs me the wrong way. Throughout Timedancer, and especially after marrying/mating Sata, Brooklynn has matured past the adolescent he was in the series. It also seemed to me that he was VERY loyal to and in love with Sata, and while I'm not sure how much time has passed between their seperation and the current ep, I doubt that it would be long enough to erase that. Sleeping with another Garg seems seriously out of character.
If he did, in fact, 'get it on' with PandoraIt may be that the stress of timedancing, as well as loss of hope after so many crushing defeats, caused him to go wild and act irrationally, but if so, it needs to be dealt with. Given Sata's personality and beliefs, it'd be WAY more than a big deal... Just think about how she reacted to Meryt or that future Garg girl that was hitting on her man...
Personally, the idea of Brooklynn cheating on Sata is depressing, but if that's the way it worked out, it needs to be adressed...

Airwalker - Great comments on the ep! Thanks for putting it better than I could have... <<But he doesn't know she's dead. He has hope. Why should he suddenly give that up just because he happened to run into Pandora?>> Exactly.

Robby><<Sata isn't *THE* one, she's just the one the readers know best because she's the one Brooklyn ended up with in the end.>> But this arguement discounts the effect of mating, spending years together, and her bearing his children... It seems to me that these have more of an impact than love lost. <<We left it open ended. We let the reader decide for themselves and judge accordingly.>> Personally, I don't think this works. If Brooklynn did sleep with her, it's not something that can swept under the rug. Unless the gargoyles have a *drasticly* different ethical base from humans, an affair would be serious crud... And it needs to be dealt with as such. <<I have my personal opinions on the matter, but since I wrote or helped write (am writing actually) the last three stories of the season, my opinion seeps through in there. Slightly. You can watch for it then and base your decision off that, even though I won't say decisivley if he did or did not in them>> I'm looking forward to it, as always...

******************END TD SPOILERS***************

Entity><<(P.S. Don't overestimate processor speed. In my experience, there is no such thing as a processor that is "fast enough." RAM you can get enough of, hard drive space you can get enough of, but hardly ever processor speed.)>> I remember back when I thought 400 Mhz was all the speed a game could ever use... :P

Toku><<Well, I have about 2 and a half friends who work or have worked as bladesmiths>> Nice! I guess that half friend came from a forging accident? :) What type of methods do they use? <<I've bought a few modern make swords and seen them banged around a lot. On top of that, I have a large pool of people with an obsession on feudal japan and martial arts with WAY too much time on their hands.>> Modern katanas are usually 440C; decent steel, but there's a big difference between these and an old sword, as I'm sure you know... As to the anceint Japanese pool, you've got me there... I'm an amatuer knifemaker, but I try to keep up with the way things work... Tell me if I get anything wrong.

David G.><<First, a moment of silence for my Fading Suns character's brother. He died that others might live.>> A toast: That when death grins at us, we may all find the cheer to grin back! :)
What happened, by the way?

SOROW - Sorry to hear about all the trouble... Here's to hoping Life stops throwing curve balls...

Warpmind><<primarily, our comic options are narrowed down to the nine or ten options available at the Supermarket (at least half of which are intended for 3-8-year-olds...) Some places suck, eh? :(>> Ouch. ;P Can't you find some good translations or such over the net? <<From my position (i.e. the one with a lot of theoretical knowhow, but virtually no practice), I'd recommend a fairly light sword in one hand, and a shorter weapon of any kind in the other; maybe a hammer, or something...>> I came up with an interesting fighting style for a steampunk world I was working on called Needle and Cleaver... A rapier swordcane in the right hand, and a kukri, hatchet or other short, heavy weapon in the left... Great minds think alike, eh? :)

By the way, I loved the "Sword Creed"! Good job, Mecord!

Niamhgold><<** Laughs even harder ** I'm free of the fanfic, I tell you! FREEEEEEE!>> Ecellent, Niamhgold. Good work, Niamhgold... Take your medication, Niamhgold. ;) Jes' kiddin'... <<(I'm gonna take my picture of that, superimpose Slimer on the ion, and make like I was in the Ghostbuster's movie :)>> Sweet! If you get it to work, think you could post a pic? Pretty please? <> Double ouch... What kind of world would ours be without Manga? *mutters under his breath about phillistines...*

Wilek><<Lightning is a plague, upon man and machine alike. >:/>> I hate lightning when it's turning my electronics down, but there's nothing like standing in the driving rain, listening to a continuous peal and blast that sounds like the world comming apart, and just bein' alive... <<Marine rifle chant thing> OK, that's creepy...>> I like it, actually... And in the end, aren't you glad they're on *our* side? :)

Archwolf><<Yep. Sat out in my yard lastnight watching lightning dance from cloud to cloud. I should have gone in when a lightning bold hit a tree less than 150Meters away from me, but I didn't. No harm done.>> Ok, that's pushing it a bit far... :) Like I said, I love the sight and sound, but I'd just as soon pass on the intimate encounter... :P

Shadowrider><<So it is the full original Creed? Thank you a lot, I'll read it carefully...those things have always fascinated me.>> Via Tom Clancy's 'Marine', no less... I thought it might be of some interest. <<Oh, and congratulations for your graduation!>> Thanks. I'm *REALLY* looking forward to arriving at college... Especially since my girlfriend's already there. :) <<I'm not sure of it, but I think that Roman Republic and Roman Empire typical swords are about the same, meaning "gladia", single handed swords with a 60-cm blade and no guard on the held>> Yup, that's the Gladius... As for the Byzantine Empire, might they have used sabers?

Stormy><<You want, every time you pass the funeral home, to hear my father look in and say, "OOh, what's playing tonight?" And, if there's two folks lying in state, my responding crack, "Looks like a double feature.">> Stop! You're scaring me...:) At least you've got humor...

*Valentine Yawns, glances at his watch, and mumbles something about lack of sleep*

I was hoping to get to a responce to Toku's katana post and some of the religious stuff, but I'm too tired... Maybe tomorrow. For now, I'm gonna catch up on TD before I get totally left behind...

"Roland searched the continent/ For the man who done him in.
He found him in Lombassa/ In a barroom, drinkin' gin...
Roland aimed his thompson gun/ He didn't say a word,
But he blew Van Owen's body/ From there to Johannesburg...
Roland, the headless thompson gunner..."
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 02:39:21 AM
IP: nas-48-253.dallas.navipath.net

to those people polite enough to help me with my Historicals' homework, thanks.

btw, _where_ was the incest in _GLADIATOR_? sure, some of it was implied, but there wasn't even any scenes with half-naked people...{unless you count the Crucifiction and R.Crowe's 'Long March To Province'. :)

Cassandra's comment about sexy gargs characters: um...you know, this is a really tough choice - particularly when one is a Neuter Gender!! {not to be confused with hermaphrodites}!

if i REALLY had to choose...i'd go with the following:
TD: Pandora {haven't read the latest ep, so i'm basing it on the 1st season}.
TV Gargoyles: N/A. {though even there, Brooklyn seemed to have the Classic Hero essence to him}.
DA: N/A. {still trying to figure out how Lex can say "except for Goliath, we don't have names", and reconcile it with _Dark Ages_}....
TGS Gargoyles: N/A.
PenDragon: Brianna.

Fic: Tina, cousin of Avery Hayden.

Rodlox
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:58:56 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com

Hi friends. I didn't have a car this weekend. :( Fortunately some friends stopped by and picked me to go out. It is nice to get driven once in awhile. ;) I saw Gladiator yesterday. Like Sevarius Jr. said it has everything! :) I really liked it.

Niamhgold> <fanfic> *Winterwolf blinks* You wrote some fanfic? I want to read it! :) Is there a website I can go to? So did you suit yourself up with a particle thrower? Oh and don't forget to add a gratuitous shot of ECTO-1. (I think that is the name of the car.) ^_^

Shadowrider> <driving license for bikes> Yes. Over here you also have to get a license for riding bikes. I only have one for driving cars so far. I'll let you know how it goes. I think I need to work on my balance with a bicycle some more before I move to a motorcycle. I need the exercise anyway. :D If only I had more free time. :-/

SOROW> <horrible week> I'm glad it has gotten better. *Winterwolf gives SOROW some hand picked daisies.* That's just to make sure you are feeling better. <rock climbing> Did you go to one of those indoor walls or were you scaling up a mountain? Maybe it was something in between? Sounds like you're ready to plan you next rock climbing outing. ;)

Archwolf and Mecord> <shoot a wolf with a bounty> What the bleeping heck is this? I can't believe that there is a reward to top it off! Mecord add me to that protest list.

Robby> <RP posts> Sorry. I saw my last RP was about 4/5th (80%) the length of the entire post. I'll keep all the RP rules in mind for future posts.

Brooklyn> That sounds good to me. I'd be happy to help you when you start building your page and look forward to just talk about what's going on.

Mary Flanders> I have an older sister also. Siblings can really be a double-edged sword. Very supportive and helpful then watch out! I hope everything works out for you. If you want to get back at your sis a more innocent looking accident is getting some moths in her closet. ;) After typing that I think it would be fun to visualize but might be too cruel to execute.

Gside> <Gside vs. Wilek> <just on the days I used Dark Blue?> No, it wasn't just the times you used dark blue although that was probably the biggest reason. Besides that there seemed to be something about the posting style that both of you had in common that caused me to wonder whose post I was reading. It was something intangible that I still can't put my finger on. At this point I feel confident I can pick out if it is a Gside or a Wilek post. <Stage Deli for a corned beef sandwich on rye, with mustard> Now I'm hungry. I guess I know what I'm having for lunch tomorrow. ^_^

DPH> Uh oh! I probably got some of my hair all over your living room by now. I guess I'll have to vacuum it up. ;)

******BEGIN RP - TECHNOLOGY SAGA******

After several hours Jason was able to successfully defend Winterwolf's attack. "Good. You are improving. Let's take a break." Winterwolf said.

Leaving Jason's mind Winterwolf returns to see Jason is asleep on the couch. "You've earned your rest. I bet you're ready to use that first ring. I think I'll make dinner. I wonder if DPH will be coming back to eat. I guess I'll make a little extra just in case." He went to find the kitchen to make dinner.

******END RP - TECHNOLOGY SAGA******

Good night everybody!

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:24:40 AM
IP: 2cust112.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net

Warpmind> <<And who the HECK is Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner?... and God have merc\y on your sole if I find it offensive>>: What? According to Warren Zevon (and a line in the song), he is Norway's bravest son. And it just happens that has no head (for the second half of the song) and is very good with a Thompson (aka Tommy) Gun.

Entity/Patrick Toman> Time loops: Time loops aren't necessarialy paradoxes. The only problem is physical objectsbeing handed off (DNA is self replicating and therefore not a problem). With a short loop especially (long loops can leave the question of whether or not it was the same object), the problem is erosion (or other similar processes (corrossion, etc.)). We should actually ask first whether the object existed twice in the same period of time (between the beginning and ending of the loop). With Weisman's Law, circularity should not be a problem, as long as it is perfect, i.e. it is not a ray-type spiral (infinite, but with one endpoint (vector of magnitude infinity))

Sev. Jr.> <>: Are we sure the good Mrs. Morgan did not help with the writing?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:12:40 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

STILL ALIVE. And strong like bull. If I wasn't anything but 100 percent male, I might be singing that horrible Bee Gee anthem, "Stayin' Alive."

Weekend Box Office News: Dinosaur, the latest Disney animated extravaganza, was number one this weekend with about 38.4 million. I will not see this movie, as I am effectively boycotting all Disney animation until they bring back my beloved Gargoyles. Besides, if I want to see dinosaurs, I'll watch Jurassic Park. At least those dinos eat people.
Gladiator was number two, with about 19 million, bringing the film's 17 day total to over 100 million dollars. I am proud to say that I watched Gladiator this saturday, and it's A FREAKIN FOUR STAR MOVIE!!! I can't see how anyone would not like this flick (drama, violence, incest--it has it all!). It's by far the best movie I've seen this year. Russell Crowe is my new cinematic god.
Road Trip, starring Tom "I only have one testicle left" Green, was numba 3 with 15 mill. That's good, considering it only cost 15 mill to make the film. So they nowhere to go but up from here. Way to go, Tom!
And to us Scientology-detractors, Battlefield Earth only made 3.8 million dollars this weekend. Smart career move, John!

Brooklyn is His own Grandpa: I'm disturbed by this, not because Pandora is a transformed human and that the Gargoyles would be descended, however oddly, from the human race (although it would be the most beautiful irony to inform Demona that humans were her ancestors and the progenitors of her race. God that would be wonderful...). I like Brooklyn, I really do. I like him more than Goliath (which could put me on somebody's hit list). But the thought of him as the "Adam" to the entire Gargoyle race....that just leaves me real oogey inside. It just doesn't seem right to me, for some inexplicable reason.

BTW, quick question--let's say you were transformed into a Gargoyle. Would you automatically be looking to hook up with a quote-unquote "real" gargoyle? I sure as hell wouldn't. Maybe it's prejudicial of me, but if I was transformed into a Gargoyle, I wouldn't be looking to knock boots with any of them. Just make me human again, or find me a human as accepting and understanding as Elisa.

Finally, could anyone who is involved with me in the RP--that is, is using any of my characters or is directly involved with any of my characters--please email me with just a brief synopsis of what's been going on, and maybe where you want to go with the RP? As you can understand, my days are sort of hectic right now, and I haven't been able to keep up to date with the RP lately. Thanks.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, May 22, 2000 12:01:05 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

**CONTAINS COMMENTS/SPOILERS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**

TODD - You wrote: [So they could very well have settled in Greece (the NOs were presented as already following Deucalion and Pyrrha at the end of "The Downfall") instead of New Olympus. (Admittedly, the "New" part is misleading).]

It's not a big deal, it's just that the line sort of throws me for a second. After all the New Olympians didn't really become "New Olympians" until after they settled on New Olympus. So why would Prometheus refer to them by that name? It's sort of like if a mention of a Volkswagon were to appear in a medieval chronicle - it stands out of place.

(I admit though that this is just really minor nitpicking - but leaving it like it does implies that there is a New Olympus at this point - maybe some other name should be invented to refer to the Greek Mythological beings prior to actually becoming New Olympians. And they can't even really just be called plain Olympians since that's a reference to the Greek Gods and thus in TGS to Oberon and Titania.)

PATRICK - You wrote: [Of course, in my mind there's no question on this issue. The gargoyle race evolved into existance over tens of thousands of years just like the human race... they didn't pop into being when some time traveling gargoyle bumped tails with a human who was magically turned into one by a fay.]

I agree completely. Besides the one fact that is overlooked is that at the end of the story Pandora heads off in search of one of those hundreds of Clans that Brooklyn mentioned. Even if the Brooklyn/Pandora were the Adam/Eve of Gargoyles then where would all of those clans have come from? The evidence is too overwhelming towards Pandora's reputation of being the first female of whatever race being garbled over time than it being literally true.

CASSANDRA - You wrote: [SOROW said it was sad if Brooklyn got Pandora pregnant. Why is it sad? Airwalker's vote was against them having sex because Brooklyn would feel guilty.]

It's not so much that he would feel more guilt, it's that it would have to be addressed. Brooklyn has spent this entire season travelling around and thinking about Sata. Now that Payne is travelling with him it's true that he would probably be less likely to think about her since arguing with Payne gives him something else to think about. But she's still on his mind. All of the tension in this episode between himself and Pandora is due to the fact that he is married to and thinking about Sata. If she wasn't on his mind then would there be as much tension as there was?

Now if something did happen in that moment, later on Brooklyn is going to start dwelling on it. After all he doesn't talk about getting back home anymore - he only talks about getting back to Sata. And when he thinks about her he starts to dwell in things that are important to her - stuff like Samurai Honor. He might start to feel that he betrayed her, that even if he got back to her he might not be worthy of her, that he betrayed her concepts of honor, stuff like that.

And all that is without considering that Payne might have something to say on the subject. He found them during the day in a position that could suggest that something happened. He's constantly looking for something to say to upset Brooklyn. He's the one who spent most of the episode mentioning Sata to Brooklyn and would be likely to invoke her name later on to prove his point. And on top of all that he has some of Loki's essence in him which is not going to encourage him to shut up about what might have happened. So Brooklyn isn't going to have an opportunity to gloss over this.

You wrote: [Brooklyn already feels guilty for what happened to Pandora. He opened the box, she got punished for it. They feel in love, he couldn't stay. She hasn't found any other gargoyles in all her travels and most humans and fae shun her. Mayhaps, giving her a hatchling to raise would ease her lonliness.]

But that's not how the scene came across to me - Pandora asks for the Fey to send Brooklyn home, they tell her to go to hell, and at that point Pandora breaks down which in turn leads to Brooklyn breaking down. This is the moment when it could be interpreted as having gone either way - something could have happened or nothing could have happened.

At this point I doubt either Brooklyn or Pandora is thinking about future lonliness that she might feel that's would be driven away by a child. They are just trying to comfort each other (at least at first - if you believe that something did happen then this comforting moved into something else. But if you believe that nothing happened then all they did was basically hold each other and cry) with thoughts of the future left to the future.

You wrote: [And apparently for what he explained of gargoyle mating practices, every female laid an egg for the survival of the clan. "All unmated males fly after the unmated female..."]

My understanding of the entire explination was that mainly quickening is just a fancy comic code approved way of saying that Pandora happened to be ovulating. And then the rest of the explination on Brooklyn's part was a memory of Wyvern custom rather than what actually had to happen. (An explination that would seem to fit in with how a youngster would view such an event - after all the last time Brooklyn saw such a ceremony happen in his clan he was just a kid.) I don't think that just because it happened to be the moment that she could conceive means that something has to happen.

(I can see the counterargument - that if there wasn't some instinct to mate at this time on the part of both male and female parties then less children might be produced than should be and so nature added in some special features to make sure that every opportunity to have children is seized. But even then all I can say is that Gargoyles aren't animals - they don't have to give into every instinct they have. They are rational beings and can make a decision not to mate if they don't want to, although I will admit that the scene that implies that something happened also implies a complete emotional breakdown which would mean they wouldn't exactly be in a great state of mind to make an important decision and might be more inclinded to follow instinct. I can see that point of view. But even then, all I can say is that I would prefer to think that even with all that just kissing someone other than his wife might spark something in his mind that would keep something from happening. He's the hero of the story after all - there are moments of weakness, that's true, but there are also moments of extraordinary strength.

Maybe I just have too much of an idiolized view of marriage and soulmates that makes me think that even being mortal and vulnerable at that point, that nothing major happened between Brooklyn and Pandora. Besides why is it that just because they break down after an emotional roller coaster ride that they immediately have to sleep with each other? Can't they just hold onto each other for dear life and let their emotions go without anything sexual happening?)

You wrote: [And he doesn't know if Sata and the twins survived in the future. Sure the Spera gem gave him a
vision of the twins, but he doesn't know.]

True. But he doesn't know she's dead. He has hope. Why should he suddenly give that up just because he happened to run into Pandora?

ENTITY - You wrote: [First, looking strictly at the series, the only indication we have of Titania's supposed old personality was from Oberon. And we know that a character saying something doesn't make it law.]

But she's HERA at this point. That right away implies that she's not going to have that great a disposition towards a lot of mortals - particularly mortal females. (Although this could be dismissed as Pandora just happening to be one of the few mortals that Hera happened to favor and she is disdainful of the majority of the other races.)

**END OF COMMENTS/SPOILERS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, May 21, 2000 11:54:44 PM
IP: 113.new-york-15rs.ny.dial-access.att.net

Hmm. Good night everybody. Real post, sometime tomorrow. I promise not to summon lightning to keep anyway from sleeping.
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:59:57 PM
IP: max1-25.cwy.cei.net

May be Tenth!!!
Starsinger
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:39:26 PM
IP: proxy-553.public.rwc.webtv.net

Top Ten!

Daniel> With so many things to keep up with, one might say that a little bad grammer is passable. But I say, in light of everything else that is able to be achieved, to have bad grammer is all the more frownable. In other words, we appreciate the feedback. A better HTMLing thingamabob may be in need of looking into.

Patrick> I don't see how you can have a time loop without having a paradox. In essence, a time loop and a paradox are the same thing. Sure, the question arises, where'd the DNA come from? But the same question applies to the Archmage loop, the London loop, or the origin of the Phoenix Gate.

After all, "the Archmage lived because he saved himself" is just as circular as "Brooklyn was born because he bore himself."
Entity
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:37:44 PM
IP: nic-163-c228-241.mw.mediaone.net

TOP TEN!
Alan "Ordell" - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa, TX
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:36:22 PM
IP: ppp-42.ode.cableone.net

Seven! Ha, first top ten. :)

Entity:
RE: Titania
I see where you're coming from. It still doesn't feel right to me, but I have no problem waiting to see what happens. Cassandra has a good idea though. I could except that. It would also make for some very good stories. :) I guess what is really bothering me about Titania is that she seems to have too many fingers in too many pies. She always seems to be behind the scenes pulling everyone's strings (or, at least, giving them a good tug). I don't know; I guess it's just a matter of personal taste. I'm willing to go along for the ride. :)

RE: paragraph breaks
That explains a lot. There are many crappy HTML converters around. Maybe giving the HTML code a once over would be prudent before posting. Then again, maybe no one has the time for it. It's not the end of the world, in any case.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:29:40 PM
IP: ppp-01.rb5.exit109.com

*skips in together* yeahhhh!! Top Ten!!
Jannie and Denis
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:25:11 PM
IP: 209-144-251-32.hou.port.mytelco.com

Top Ten!
Cool.
David G - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:19:10 PM
IP: ip80.fort-worth8.tx.pub-ip.psi.net

Top Ten!
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:16:59 PM
IP: 216.28.101.151

What the heck.... THIRD!!!
Spike
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:16:45 PM
IP: pppt09-99.ght.iadfw.net

Top Ten! Second! Real post later. ;)
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:12:25 PM
IP: dialup-209.246.80.87.newyork2.level3.net

FIRST ! :)
Thomas
AustriaSunday, May 21, 2000 10:10:46 PM
IP: goehheim1.unileoben.ac.at